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In this episode of Gangland Wire, retired Kansas City Police Intelligence Unit detective Gary Jenkins interviews Eddie Inserra about the Boston Mafia. He is the author of Confidence of the Mob: The IRS Agent Who Took down the Mob – Then Advised Them, a deeply researched account of his grandfather, Fred G. Pastore, a key figure in early IRS efforts to dismantle organized crime. Fred Pastore was part of the IRS's early “racket squad,” targeting Boston Mafia enterprises. His work paralleled the groundbreaking financial investigations that helped bring down figures like Al Capone, demonstrating how financial crimes could succeed where traditional policing struggled. Then, he leaves the IRS and advises the Boston Mafia. Eddie recounts how he uncovered his grandfather's story through a remarkable archive of family documents, photos, and recordings. These materials revealed a complicated dual life: Fred was both a relentless investigator and, later, a trusted confidant to certain Boston Mafia figures. This paradox sits at the center of the book and this conversation. A major focus of the discussion is the “pinball racket”—a widespread illegal gambling operation hidden in plain sight within bars and storefronts. Fred's investigations exposed how these machines generated significant underground revenue streams for organized crime, particularly in Boston. Eddie details the innovative and often risky techniques the IRS used to infiltrate these operations, including undercover work within corporations like Raytheon, where illegal gambling rings had taken root among employees. The episode also explores the institutional challenges Fred faced. His aggressive tactics and unconventional relationships eventually brought him into conflict with IRS leadership and political figures, forcing his resignation. In a striking turn, Fred leveraged his deep knowledge of organized crime to advise former mob associates—highlighting the blurred moral boundaries that often exist in this world.   Eddie adds a personal dimension, sharing memories of growing up around his grandfather and describing the cultural landscape of Boston's North End, where family, community, and organized crime often intersected. These stories provide insight into how relationships between law enforcement and mob figures could be shaped by proximity, respect, and shared environments.  The conversation concludes with a look ahead at Eddie's upcoming podcast, which will expand on these themes through interviews with former IRS agents, mob associates, and others connected to Fred Pastore's extraordinary life.   This episode offers a rare look at the gray areas of justice—where the line between hunter and ally becomes increasingly difficult to define. Check out the book: Confidence of the Mob: The IRS Agent Who Took down the Mob – Then Advised Them, Hit me up on Venmo for a cup of coffee or a shot and a beer @ganglandwire Click here to “buy me a cup of coffee” Subscribe to the website for weekly notifications about updates and other Mob information. To go to the store or make a donation or rent Ballot Theft: Burglary, Murder, Coverup, click here To rent ‘Brothers against Brothers’ or ‘Gangland Wire,’ the documentaries click here.  To purchase one of my books, click here. Gary Jenkins: [00:00:00] hey, are you wire tapers? Good to be back here in the studio. Gangland wire. This is Gary Jenkins, retired Kansas City Police Intelligence Unit Detective. Glad to be back in the studio. I have a man on the line who’s written a really interesting book called Confidence of the Mob, the RIRS agent who took down the mafia and then advised him. So that’s what’s interesting about this. Here’s a man. The, it was part of the early racket squad with the IRS intelligence who were the guys that went after the mafia and in all the different cities, most famously in Chicago, and took down Al Capone, and he ends up in a conflict with his bosses over informant and then. He goes into business as an accountant and ends up advising Jerry Angelo and some and childhood friends, really. ’cause he grew up in the north end of Boston. So this is his grandson Eddie and Sarah. Welcome Eddie. Eddy Inserra: Hey, thanks Gary. Glad to be here. Gary Jenkins: All right guys. Now there’s the book and I’ll have [00:01:00] links to it in the, the show notes as well as you can see the book over Eddie’s right hand shoulder there. You’ll get it. Now. First thing I wanna bring up about this book, Eddie, is I’m gonna ask you a little bit about how you got into this, but about this QR code you have in there, guys, there’s a QR code in there. I don’t know, about a quarter of the way in. Tell us about that and what was your idea to do there? Eddy Inserra: Yeah, so the QR code takes you to our website, which is it links to confidence of the mob.com. And this project started off as me interviewing a bunch of people about. My grandfather’s story. So I have all these audio clips, I have all these documents that I found in the box that my mother gave me that really had my grandfather’s complete career in there. So it’s more of a evidence-based website where if you scan that QR code, you can access some of the documents. Listen to some of the clips by the book, just learn more about the story overall. So it’s, the QR code is meant to be interactive, so you can take from what’s on the book into your phone and just explore more, [00:02:00] right? Gary Jenkins: Really interesting that with the new internet and you can do so much more and make your, what used to be just a hardcover. Paperback or hardcover piece of, a bunch of papers together and you can go onto the internet and you can find so much more with really not that much effort and a little bit of effort on your part. I know that I did something like that with a book I did. And it is a little bit of effort, but it’s not as much effort as is really, I think for that to further instruct people, teach people what that life was like for your subject. ’cause that’s what you’re trying to do, is you wanna tell people what. Your grandfather’s life was like, and so that’s I think it was just ingenious of you to doing that. I haven’t really seen that. I don’t think there’s probably other books that I didn’t notice, but I had not seen that before. Anyhow Eddie, let’s let’s go back. You’re the grandson. Fred g Pastor, tell us how you got into this, your earliest memories of this. Did you know your grandfather when you were a little kid and probably didn’t get the stories you wish you’d gotten? More than likely [00:03:00] I’d have him. But tell us a little bit about that. Eddy Inserra: Yeah, so he actually passed away when I was eight years old, so I got to know him for eight years. He passed away in 1988, and then, I knew my grandfather was always, when you see your grandfather, he is always happy when you’re, a little kid. One side of him, always happy, generous smile on his face, always laughing. Typical grandfather give you candy when no one’s looking. Things like that. So typical grandfather, I found out later on that his life was much more complex than I had thought. And when I was younger, he had an office. So I’d go into the office and I’d, everybody would be doing accounting work. He’d have probably about, he had about six or seven employees, maybe more at some, sometimes I’d go into the office and I’m just a kid running around the hallways and sitting at the desks. My father worked there as well. And yeah, I’m just watching them push papers and write down numbers and stuff like that. So I didn’t think it was too, I thought it was pretty boring. It was cool, but it was boring. But later I found out much more about him. Gary Jenkins: Interesting. Eddy Inserra: Yeah. Gary Jenkins: So later on in life, how did you stumble [00:04:00] across this whole dualistic life He had in a way I would maybe dualistic not at the same time but these two careers that he had how did you stumble across that? Eddy Inserra: There was a box that my mother had in her attic, and it was a, an old Florida citrus oranges box carton and overflowing with papers. And she, about 10 to 12 years ago, she gave it to me and said, Eddie, I want to give you these documents that your grandfather’s documents. I don’t know what’s in them, but there yours now. So I said, okay, great. And I pulled out a couple of documents and I looked at them. One was like an accounting ledger. E exactly what I expected. Some, some numbers and things like that. And I put ’em back in the box and I said, lemme put this on the shelf and I’ll take a look at the other documents some other time. So a couple weeks later, I go back into it and I pull out some papers and I start seeing profiles for big names and organized crime that I had heard of in the past. Jerry Angiulo, Raymond Patriarchal profiles on Racketeers Bernie [00:05:00] McGarry, doc Gansky, all these huge. Folklore names from Boston gambling and numbers and mafia times from the 1950s to the 1960s. I started piecing it together and I said and then I find a telegram in there to, to the White House Bobby Kennedy and JFK from my grandfather saying, I need to meet you at the White House right away regarding this Bernard Goldfine case that I’m working on. And I just started piecing this together and I said whoa. I never knew anything about the IRS side, but. He was really the tip of the spear. You mentioned like Elliot Ness, Al Capone earlier. It was the same sort of division, the intelligence division that he was working in, but he was in the Northeast District and it was, this was obviously after Capone that era, but next generation of, racket squad leaders, and he was the tip of the spear in Boston and the FBI didn’t have jurisdiction at that time to go after these racketeers. It was the IRS at that time. Later on, after he switched sides, so to say the FBI took over, but at that time, the IRS was the [00:06:00] potent weapon against these racketeers. So I’ve got all his documentation on investigations, case notes commendations it’s just really a treasure trove of, his whole career. And I pieced this together over years. There’s hundreds of documents, had to put a timeline together. Gary Jenkins: Really. Eddy Inserra: You’ve done investigative work, you know how that stuff works and I didn’t know anything about it, so it was just complete disorganized mess and had to pull it all together. Yeah. Gary Jenkins: The first thing you have to do is get a timeline. Eddy Inserra: Yeah. Gary Jenkins: That is paramount. When you’re doing something like that, you have to get a time. In order to keep things straight. Otherwise, it just becomes a, it’s just, you can never get it straight in your mind. Interesting. You know that the IRS back in the day was the premier organization that, that and the the the Federal Narcotics people were the ones that went after the mafia, whereas the FBI wasn’t, and you know what people don’t understand about the IRS many people, the IRS is just this big, huge. Organization that’ll come down on you when you [00:07:00] cheat on your taxes. But it’s really two divisions. There’s a civil division, but then there’s this criminal division, which was called the Intelligence Unit for a long time. And then I think your grandfather what I read in your book was he went into some special squad within the intelligence division called the Racket Squad. Is that right? Eddy Inserra: Yeah, that’s correct. The Racket squad was a specialized division inside of the Intelligence Division. Okay. Which only went after high profile Racketeers. And there was even an old TV show if you go on YouTube and look up Racket Squad. Yeah. There was a TV show about that. Yeah. Gary Jenkins: I remembered. I think no, it was gangbusters on the radio, but Racket Squad was on tv. Interesting. Eddy Inserra: Yeah. Gary Jenkins: So he grew up with a lot of the mobsters in the Boston area. Correct. Eddy Inserra: Correct. He was born in 1919, the same year as Jerry Angiulo. They were the same age which you’ll hear that name a lot and a lot of your listeners know. Jerry Angiulo was the under boss of Raymond Patriarch in Boston. And so they grew up right across through the bridge. [00:08:00] So Fred grew up actually in East Boston and Jerry grew up in the North end, and I confirmed that they did know each other when they were kids. I don’t know how deep that relationship went, but they did know each other when they were kids. And there was another man who ended up becoming partners with Fred later on in his post IRS career who he grew up with named Guy Spano. And he was also in East Boston at that time, and they were all this they knew each other, Gary Jenkins: interesting. Fred, knowing all these people, he knows about the bars and stuff and I noticed one of the things that was interesting, one of the things looked like early cases. He went after the pinball racket. Guys back in the day, every corner store bars, they all had pinball machines and they were a great way. To launder money and get all this cash money in and not pay their taxes on kinda like a cover charge that strip clubs get today. Whether there’s a way to, to get line cash money in that didn’t really go through the cash register. Tell us about that pinball racket. Eddy Inserra: Yeah, the pinball racket was a big deal back then. There was a lot of paperwork in [00:09:00] his box about that. There was a map that he had inside that box that showed all the different places he was raiding in Massachusetts just for the pinball machine. Pinball machines and the pinball machines back then were a game, not a game of skill because they didn’t have flippers on them. So the flippers that, that came on later, then it became a game of skill and it wasn’t actually just throwing your money away and gambling, so to say. So they weren’t able to go after them after they added flippers to the machines. But before the flippers interesting. Gary Jenkins: Yeah, I did, I didn’t really realize that I saw one of those when I was. You my late teens over in Kansas City, Kansas, and now I didn’t really realize what the deal was. What it was if you play it so much and get lucky and your ball goes to a certain place, then you win. But if it doesn’t and there’s no way to have it, is all pure luck. That’s the difference. I’ll be darned. I never thought about that. Interesting. Eddy Inserra: Yeah. Gary Jenkins: Of course from then, that’s gambling and that’s where the money is. So he [00:10:00] continues on going after mobsters, Italian mobsters in that area of the country in organized, more organized gambling. So tell us a few of his other organized gambling investigations. Eddy Inserra: Yeah, he went after the Italians. He also did go after a lot of the Irish too that in his paperwork too. Wimpy Bennett, Walter Wimpy Bennett. There was a lot of, in Jewish DKI, like I mentioned. Yeah, a couple other too but yeah, one, one big investigation that really put him on the map was. The Raytheon investigation. Raytheon we know as a big defense company and they’re headquartered in Massachusetts. They always have been, I don’t know if they still are, but they have been up until a few years ago. But huge corporation and during that time was the Cold War. So they’re supposed to be building missiles, but they called the IRS saying, Hey, listen, we’ve got a problem. Our production, our manufacturing floor, everybody’s supposed to be working, but. They’re all not on the floor and they’re gambling somewhere. We don’t know where, we don’t know the root cause of this syndicate, but it’s in all of our buildings and people are consuming their time, playing the [00:11:00] daily numbers, betting on sports, all kinds of stuff. And they couldn’t really get to the root of it to root it out of the system. So they called the IRS, they assigned Fred, my grandfather to the case, and he took the lead. He ended up sending a bunch of his agents in undercover as janitors, and they had to go through the whole process, the whole hiring process as a normal, employee would try to get hired. So they’d have to submit an application, go through the test, all that stuff. Because the, it was just so embedded in Ray Raytheon that someone would. Tipped them off. So he got a bunch of these janitors in and they ended up finding out that the, there was long lines going to the bathroom all day long. And that’s, they were making the bets, taking the bets in the bathroom stalls in multiple locations. They rated them all at the simultaneously and they got a bunch of leads after that for more mafia stuff, but it was a big mafia gambling syndicate embedded in the US government sort of defense contractor. So that got him, that was on the cover of the newspapers. It was in. Magazines. It was a big deal. [00:12:00] So Gary Jenkins: Interesting. After that is that he gets crossways with. His bosses and with the US attorney’s office eventually. Was there any other cases I see on the headline here, Pastore names Paul’s, me and politicians behind the bookies. So how did he get into to finding who the bookies were paying off? Eddy Inserra: So he, he had an undercover confidential informant, I should say, who was giving him a lot of information. And we were real in the book. Who that was, we didn’t know at the time. Nobody in my family knew until a few years ago, and that’s, we’re talking 60, 50, 60 years ago. And even the president and RFK at the time wanted to know his confidential informant. So Fred was getting some really good information. They didn’t know where it was coming from. And Fred had made a deal at the time with Eisenhower and the chief of the IRS that. He’d keep this confidential informant on his, on the payroll, but the only people that would know about it was Eisenhower, the chief of the [00:13:00] IRS under Eisenhower and Fred. And then JFK came in, RFK came in as the Attorney General and they wanted to know whose confidential informant was and he would never give him up. So that, that caused some tension between Fred and RFK. Before that there was another case. With a man called Frank Aya. I don’t know if you’ve heard of him, but he’s out, he was out of Worcester part of the, actually, gen Outta Worcester. Yeah, outta Gary Jenkins: Worcester. Okay. Eddy Inserra: Yeah. Part of the Genovese faction so New York, but I, their territory went all the way up to Worcester. And the FBI was actually investigating him for the Brinks robbery in Boston. Gary Jenkins: Oh, Eddy Inserra: really? At the time. So they were looking for leads because they had understood that one of the guys was from Worcester. They’re, they assumed so they went interrogating him, and he said no, I’m not a criminal. I’m just a bookmaker. And as soon as he said that I guess Hoover didn’t want anything to do with Bookmaking at the FBI. So they just threw their hands up and they threw it at the IRS and [00:14:00] that fell in my grandfather’s lap. And so he started digging into IAC and he, he actually built a case against him. He ended up going to jail. But during that process, when he was investigating Ioni, Ioni gave up another man. His name was Bernard Goldfine. Wasn’t in the mafia. He’s a big businessman. He owned all these textile manufacturing companies. And he kept getting the contracts for all the US government, military uniforms every year. So no one else would ever win. And my grandfather exposed that there was some bribery and corruption going on. Between him and Eisenhower’s chief of staff named Sherman Adams. Gary Jenkins: Yeah, Eddy Inserra: I Gary Jenkins: remember, I remember that. Sherman Adams he went down. I remember that. Eddy Inserra: Do you remember the Una coat? That’s what that was the big Gary Jenkins: thing. Yeah. I forgotten about that. Somebody gave me this Una coat. I never was sure what a Una coat was, but yeah, I forgotten about that. The Vicuna code and he and everything, they found all these papers that be. For Eisenhower to four eight C, it’d have to say [00:15:00] KSA Sherman Adams. That was a big deal. While he was spooning feeding Eisenhower all the, anything that he wanted to have. Eddy Inserra: Yeah. That’s funny you remember that because that’s, yeah. Gary Jenkins: Yeah. That was huge at the time in the fifties. Eddy Inserra: Yeah. For some reason, he bribed him with a lot of things, hotel rooms, cash, all these things. But the Vicuna code, for some reason, stuck in the media, and that was my grandfather’s work, was exposing that and yeah. That was a big deal at the time and after he exposed that and with him not giving up that confidential informant. RFK wanted Fred out of Massachusetts. Pretty much out of the cross heads. We can get into that if you want, but yeah that’s the next Gary Jenkins: thing. What would he want? We, because Kennedy’s of course, were Boston area, new England based, and a lot of their people probably could then get in trouble with because of Fred Pastore and his bulldog attitude towards enforcing the law. Was that the deal? Eddy Inserra: Yeah, Fred would follow the money. I know that’s a common thing, but he really would follow the money. And from what I [00:16:00] understand, I wasn’t there, I didn’t live at that time, but from what I understand, he followed the money and wherever it led him and that led him right up to the White House. You know how politics are there, it’s a dirty game. So I’m sure that might’ve been someone who gave money to the candidate, maybe even the same guy, Bernard Goldfine or somebody. And if Fred dug that up, they could get. The same treatment Sherman Adams did. Gary Jenkins: Yeah. Yeah. Eddy Inserra: They wanted Fred out of there. Yeah. Gary Jenkins: So what happened then? They it seemed like they, they repressed him to reveal his informant or something like and he ended up, either I quit or, I have to give up my informant. Is that, was that what it came down to? Hobson’s choice like that? Eddy Inserra: Yeah, it came down to that. They tried to actually reassign him to Syracuse. New York was really, it was a demotion in pay and in actually title as well. So he would’ve been brought down. He wouldn’t have been in the rack racket squad. He would’ve been down to a special agent again, and would’ve been a step backwards and they would’ve had him out of the mix in Boston. And that’s really what they wanted to accomplish is silence Fred. Yeah. [00:17:00] So he was faced with a decision, do I take that demotion and that’s the end of it, or. Do what he actually did, which was, took him back to his up upbringing in East Boston. Tough poor kid when you actually have to face the bully, I think. And that street grit that he actually said no. You know what? He held his own press conference in downtown Boston and he said, I’m resigning from the IRS today. And I’m opening up my own tax fraud defense firm right across the street. He wanted to view them out the window every day. He had a chip on his shoulder. And so he ended up advising the same kind of people and some of the same people that he was previously going after at the IRS. And he was like a super weapon for those guys because he knew all the legalities and the loopholes and how to structure your businesses and things like that. So Gary Jenkins: yeah, I noticed there was like a Fred Angiulo was that Jerry’s brother then. Eddy Inserra: I don’t know if there was a Fred, if there was Gary Jenkins: a wonder. I thought it, it was Fred. I may have got [00:18:00] that name wrong, Nick in the Nick in my head, because your dad, your grandpa’s name was Fred Pastor. But anyhow, there he defended Angiulo and some of their people, he, he knew everybody went to North End at eight and, they were socially compatible, if you will. So tell us a little bit about that, what you learned about those, that part of his life. Eddy Inserra: Obviously post IRS career, I learned that from my mother and other people, that on the weekends Fred would go on Friday night. Him and his his daughter whose youngest daughter is Charmin, which is my mother. Oldest daughter’s, Pam and my grandmother is Nina. And they would go into Boston to the north end and they’d go down there for, to go to the bakery sit out front. The women would sit out front eating pastry, and Fred would go out back for about 15 minutes and. To me it was him giving advice maybe face to face. To, to Jerry and he’d come out 15 minutes with a paper bag from what I’ve heard. And and that would be it. Then they’d go to the fruit market and then they’d go home and they’d go out to Stella’s. [00:19:00] Restaurant in the North End on Fleet Street at the time, which is a famous spot. Even, JFK, they used to go there. But it was a real famous spot. Fred would be there a lot with the family. And on the weekends my mother remembers. So the Injus, by the way, Jerry and Jula, there was five brothers who really ran their empire together. But Jerry was the head of it and the genius with numbers. And he shared that with Fred. They both had a genius with numbers. So that was some that was interesting. And Nick would, his brother Nick would go to Fred’s house on Sundays, and my mother would call him Uncle Nick. He’d always bring something. One time he brought a pet dog for them. They had a dog, and he’d bring all kinds of gifts and they always saw the nice side to these people. Even in the office, when I went to the office and I met a couple of these people when I was young, I didn’t know who they were, but I, you’d always see the nice side because. Gary Jenkins: Yeah, Eddy Inserra: Fred was the golden goose helping them keep their money, but most importantly keeping them outta jail. So Gary Jenkins: interesting. Huh? That’s a, that’s quite a career switch. [00:20:00] The were you in 98 Prince Street? The famous 98 Prince Street. I went to the north end, went around, took some pictures and stuff. It’s nothing like it, it’s described, but back in the day, other than, it’s really cool, those little narrow brick streets and restaurants and everything. Talk about the north end over there. Eddy Inserra: The north end is that’s the Italian enclave of the city. Boston has different enclaves, different cultural enclaves I should say. And the North end is the the Italian, it actually was the was the Irish before the Italian. So a lot of people don’t know that. But I didn’t know that. The Italian section, and that’s where there’s, world class Italian food restaurants, every 10 feet. And. It’s a tight knit community. Everybody knows everybody especially back then. So you walk down the street, you’ll see people hanging on the corner and if when you’re, when you were a kid you’d go get your fireworks there at the park and, illegal fireworks and get whatever you want. But yeah, 98 Prince Street was where Jerry ran his sort of headquarters out of there and they called it the doghouse. That was, [00:21:00] they knew they had eyes looking out for them as well being there. So the whole neighborhood was really looking out for them. And eventually the FBI caught them by wiretapping a vehicle up front. Yeah. So inside. But yeah, it’s really tight knit Italian. If you come to Boston, I really recommend you go, especially if you want to eat some nice food and see how this still some remnants of how it used to be, like you said, those brick roads and things like that. It’s pretty nostalgic and interesting. Gary Jenkins: Yeah. Yeah, it’s really cool. I’d highly recommend any of you guys. You go out to, you, go to Boston, go to the north end and eat and just walk around. It’s really nice, although it’s pretty busy on the weekends, so a lot of people down there, man and some of the restaurants, there were long lines to get into ’em around dinnertime. Eddy Inserra: Yeah, try if you can make a reservation, try to, if not. Gary Jenkins: Yeah. Yeah. Good bakeries too that the nicer places. I can’t even remember the names of ’em now. I had ’em that day. But anyhow, so I have to, I’m gonna flip back just a little bit. I made a jotted down a note [00:22:00] about Frank, the cheese man c Chiara, who was at Apple Lake. He did he who was the consigliere, I think for Patri arca. I believe your grandfather went after him or had some dealings with him. Do you remember that? Eddy Inserra: Yeah, he, there was some documents in the box about him and they were telling him he was definitely the concierge for arraignment at the time. And there were documents that Fred’s team was actually tracking him. They were watching him, he was going to Cuba back and forth to Cuba at that time. And so they thought he was moving money or just setting things up with a casino and things like that down there. They couldn’t, I don’t know if they actually got him to go to jail. I don’t remember if they were able to prosecute him, but they were checking him at the airport. I remember they checked his passport. But he was the, he was a money man as well, so he was known to be like the bank at that time. Gary Jenkins: Did did your grandfather have any trouble? His own troubles with the IRS af? Did they come after him or try to go after him at any point in time? Later in his career? Usually they [00:23:00] do. Yeah. They could be pretty vindictive. I’ve seen it here where an FBI agent then becomes a white collar crime lawyer. And boy, I tell you what, his old buddies, he was, they, he, a friend of mine went like that and he was surprised. He was shocked how p how his old friends from the bureau treated him. So did he have any problems like that? Eddy Inserra: In fact, he had a big problem like that as soon as he wouldn’t give up, his informant’s name. That became a problem actually. The the FBI called him in one of the documents that I have. It’s a memo that he wrote right after he came back from the FBI interrogating him. So he was told to report to the FBI in Boston by himself. And this was from his IRS superiors that say that, they want you over there, you gotta go talk to them. And so he went over there. And there was two agents in the room with Fred and they interrogated him asking if he had taken bribes at all. Yeah. And Fred used he, he outwitted them saying, I can’t say anything. This is an on ongoing investigation. If he, if you want me to say anything about this, you’re gonna have to get my [00:24:00] superiors to sign off on this. And, whatever the process was. And he felt like it was unbelievable because he said, who’s accusing me of this? They wouldn’t tell him. But eventually he figured out that it was this textile manufacturer that I mentioned earlier, Bernard Goldfine, his sort of right hand woman, her name was Mildred Paperman. She had she’d already been convicted and so was Bernard Goldfine, but they had said that Fred was taking bribes from them. So they’re taking this information from convicted, felons. And she said she had proof of it. So she had a check made up to the initials, FGP and who else, that’s Fred’s initials. Yeah. Fred G passed story. So Fred started laughing when they pulled that out. He said, do you guys have any idea who this is? It’s not me. And it was for Maine Senator Frederick g Payne, with the same initials. And that was easily documented in his paperwork that he was accepting bribes from gold mines. It’s really interesting how he outsmarted them [00:25:00] and I guess they didn’t do their homework good enough, but, they went after him hard and even after he left the IR Rs they tried to, I think one of, one of the documents says you didn’t report $2 of your tax income or something like that. Just busted his dogs. Oh my Gary Jenkins: God. I’m in a heap of trouble then. Eddy Inserra: Yeah. But the thing that he did have. And I, I can’t say it for sure, but he did have, in his back pocket, was a list of police and politicians that did take bribes. And that’s what up in, in that newspaper behind me, he was supposed to release this list. There was the media believed that he was gonna release these names during his press conference. He didn’t, and I believe that was an insurance policy that he kept in his pocket to keep them away. That’s my belief. I can’t confirm that, but that’s my sort of theory on that. Yeah. Gary Jenkins: Yeah. I tell you what in Boston, greater Boston, that area, having a list of policemen and politicians that have been taking bribes, that’s like shooting fish in a barrel. Just take out about 10 out and name the rest. Eddy Inserra: I tell you what, [00:26:00] I do have that list. It was in the bar. Gary Jenkins: Oh, do you? Oh really? Yeah. Eddy Inserra: Yeah. Is Gary Jenkins: that gonna be on your website? Is that gonna be on your website or are you just keeping that to yourself? Eddy Inserra: I thought long and hard about that, and I don’t think it’s fair to ruin or tarnish any family or anything like that. So I, that’s not gonna come out. Gary Jenkins: Yeah. Interesting. Eddy Inserra: That has nothing to do with me. That’s not my, Gary Jenkins: I, I’d have to agree with that, that those were different times, different days. Yeah. And there’s no use hurting in what would be innocent people today with that kind of information, especially Boston seemed like it’s a. A small community in, in, in a way, it’s not like New York where you’re spread out over all these boroughs and Los Angeles, where you’re spread out over, 25% of the state. It’s more like Kansas City, more like a small area that is Boston. And so a lot of people, everybody knows each other in some manner. Eddy Inserra: Yeah exactly. Couple of degrees of separation if that. Gary Jenkins: Yeah. Eddy Inserra: Yeah. Gary Jenkins: Interesting. Eddy Inserra: Yeah. Gary Jenkins: All right, Eddie and [00:27:00] Sarah, confidence of the mob, the IRS agent who took down the mafia and then advised them. So a really interesting book. Guys. I’ll have links to the website or to the Amazon page where you can buy this book. I’d highly recommend you buy it and when you do, go in there see, I don’t know, it’s about a quarter of the way in and find that find that QR code and. Go to that website and listen to some, I listened to a couple of three of those interviews. Really interesting stuff. That off the stuff that you can’t get everything in, but it’s interesting. I understand about that. Eddy Inserra: Thanks Gary. Yeah. That’s a upcoming podcast. We’re gonna have all full interviews and all that stuff with all. Oh, Gary Jenkins: Are you gonna do one yourself or with somebody there in Boston? Eddy Inserra: We’ve, it’s not gonna be a live podcast. It’s actually a bunch of clips thrown together. So it’s, oh, Gary Jenkins: I see. Eddy Inserra: Okay. Yeah we put it all together. It’s taken a couple years, so far, 12 episodes. We’ve got IRS agents in there, mafia members. We’ve got Fred’s ex clients and family. It’s really interesting. So you can check [00:28:00] that out on the website. Gary Jenkins: Yeah. When is that coming? Eddy Inserra: So we’re shooting to start releasing the end of May. So last week in May. Okay. Gary Jenkins: I love board. I always need another podcast to listen to myself. Eddy Inserra: Yeah. Yeah. Only gonna be one season. It’s not gonna be a multiple season thing. Gary Jenkins: That, that was my next question. It was gonna be a limit limited edition, if you will. Limited season. You’re not gonna keep going year in and year out like I do. Eddy Inserra: Yeah, no, there’s not enough content, but we’ll do behind the scenes and we’ll do some live stuff in Boston and things like that. Yeah. Okay. If anybody knew Fred or of him, please contact me too on the website. Okay. Love to hear about. Gary Jenkins: All right. Great. Alright Eddie and Sarah, I really appreciate you coming on the show. Eddy Inserra: Thanks, Gary. Great to meet you.

In this episode, host Gary Jenkins, a retired Kansas City Police Intelligence Unit detective, sits down with author and mob expert Springs Toledo and discusses the Boston Winter Hill Gang and its notorious members. Springs' book, “Don’t Talk About Joe Mac: The Life, Wars, and Secret History of the Man Behind the Winter Hill Gang” Springs Toledo provides an exhaustive look at Joe McDonald aka Mac, a pivotal yet often overlooked figure in the Boston criminal landscape, especially during the 1960s-1990s. Springs, a Boston native, brings a unique perspective and personal anecdotes that enrich our understanding of the intersections of crime, family, and community within the city. They explore Joe Mac’s early life and how his background shaped his role in organized crime. Springs shares how Mac was an elder statesman in the underworld, feared and respected for his ability to organize the rackets in Somerville and maintain a significant network of relationships across various neighborhoods. Joe Mac's methods of operation were emblematic of a time when the Irish underworld was gaining ground in a city dominated by Italian crime families. Springs discusses the stark differences in these organizations, from their cultural practices to their hierarchies. Springs also highlights the complexities of Joe Mac's personal life, discussing his relationships with his family, especially his daughter Jacqueline. Their conversations reveal a side of Mac rarely seen in crime stories — a devoted father struggling with his dual identity as a loving parent and a cold-blooded criminal. Throughout the episode, Springs captures the essence of Mac's character, noting that while he was involved in heinous acts, he also exhibited genuine love for his family, a contradiction that adds depth to his narrative. As the conversation unfolds, we examine the dynamics within the Winter Hill Gang, particularly the relationships among Joe Mac, prominent figures like Whitey Bulger, and Howie Carr. Springs shares fascinating insights into Mac's cautious nature and strategic approach to power. He articulates how Mac operated in the shadows, steering clear of public scrutiny while effectively managing the group's criminal enterprises. The episode paints a vivid portrait of a gang operating amid violence, betrayal, and survival. In addition to discussing the various criminal exploits, Springs shares some gripping anecdotes that illustrate the real-life implications of this lifestyle. His stories about Joe’s attempts to balance family life while dodging law enforcement showcase the constant threat that loomed over their lives, encapsulating the dangerous allure and traumatizing consequences of organized crime. We also touch upon the significant events that defined the gang wars in Boston, including Joe Mac’s suspected involvement in notorious hits and how the landscape of crime shifted in response to law enforcement's increased focus on organized crime. Springs dives into the enigmatic character of Joe Mac, unraveling his military background, his unyielding commitment to the underworld, and how he managed to stay a step ahead of rivals and authorities alike. In closing, Springs reflects on the motivations behind his book—his desire to portray the human side of a man branded a monster while exploring the broader themes of morality, family, and the haunting legacy of crime. As we wrap up, it becomes clear that “Don’t Talk About Joe Mac” is not just a biography of an infamous crime figure, but a complex narrative that invites readers to ponder the true cost of a life steeped in organized crime. This episode is a riveting exploration of character, culture, and crime, offering audiences an engaging glimpse into the storied history of Boston organized crime, the Winter Hill gang through the lens of one of its most pivotal figures, Joe Mac. Hit me up on Venmo for a cup of coffee or a shot and a beer @ganglandwire Click here to “buy me a cup of coffee” Subscribe to the website for weekly notifications about updates and other Mob information. To go to the store or make a donation or rent Ballot Theft: Burglary, Murder, Coverup, click here To rent ‘Brothers against Brothers’ or ‘Gangland Wire,’ the documentaries click here.  To purchase one of my books, click here. Springs Toledo JOe mac Gary Jenkins: [00:00:00] hey, all your wire tappers out there. Gary Jenkins back here in the studio of Gangland Wire. I’m a retired Kansas City Police Intelligence unit detective, doing a podcast mainly about organized crime. We might stray into drugs every once in a while, but primarily about Italian based organized crime or, and then sometimes we get into Irish based organized crime. I’ve done a story on the Westie in the past and a few other stories like that. So today we’re gonna talk about the. Crossing of the Irish and and the Italians in Boston area, which is a really well known, famous story. A lot of great characters. And I have with me a man who wrote a book about this. Springs Toledo, welcome Springs. Springs Toledo: Thank you very much, Gary. Happy to be here. Gary Jenkins: Great. Now guys, the books is, don’t Talk about Joe Mack the Life Wars and Secret History of the Man Behind The Winter Hill Gang. And I’ve always wondered about this Winter Hill gang. I’ve always heard of it and Whitey Bulger came out of that and was so famous, but I’ve never really. [00:01:00] Seen anything or know anything about the background of it. And Springs, Toledo has somebody, a guy called Joe Mack that was involved in that and he’s really gone into it in depth. Springs, tell us a little bit about yourself, how you got into this. Springs Toledo: I’m a native of Boston, which did help, the accent helped open doors. Gary Jenkins: We can tell. Springs Toledo: But I don’t even try to hide it anymore. And I have a background in, in boxing, which also helps, that’s a breeding ground for, leg breakers and enforcers. Historically, in Boston, a lot of ex fighters became gangsters or, involved in that life. I went to Northeastern got a graduate degree in criminology. And I I didn’t, I never became a police officer. I worked with, actually with juvenile delinquents and troubled youth for many years. I’ve written several books some about boxing, some about an historical figure named John Brown, who’s an abolitionist, so I’m running the gamut. But Joe McDonald was a name that I heard whispered for many years, growing up. He had a very long criminal career over five decades.[00:02:00] And, so he was considered something very serious. But what I began to notice as the book started coming out after John Madano became a cooperating witness, as he’d say. Is that not much was known about this individual. What I knew is that he was about 20 years older than everybody else. So he’s an elder statesman in that world. So I started poking around. I know some guys who were involved in that life. I know some other guys who were very connected to very serious individuals who were active in the Boston Underworld during these years, the sixties, seventies, eighties, into the nineties. Yeah. So I started, asking around and the things I started to hear were very downright alarming about who this man was and that he was the guy not Whitey Bulger. There was what they’ll all tell you the deeper you get into the operators in that world is that Whitey Bulger is. Largely a mythology. And that in Somerville especially, he wasn’t really that respected. Joe Mack, however, was Joe Mack was, he [00:03:00] was the go-to guy. And upon doing all kinds of research, field research, but also I’m trying to corroborate everything. People are saying you can’t just take what people have to say at face value, especially if they’re, underworld figures. Yeah. A lot of ’em have a self-interest as so what I would do, I had a little strategy. What I would do is I would talk to one guy in Southie if I heard a story that sounded intriguing or something about Joe Mack, what have you, and then I’d try to find another guy in Somerville or East Boston or Hy Park who didn’t necessarily know that individual. And if the stories match, I’d look into it further. For instance, I wanna make sure the guy wasn’t in prison at that time, that he’s allegedly known to have done something. So that’s how I began to put together a picture. And what the u unanimously what I found out is that Joe McDonald was really the, he’s the one that put together organized crime in Somerville, centered in Winter Hill. He organized the launch sh the rackets loan, sharking booking, sports betting, all of that. And he was a very feared individual.[00:04:00] He looked like a building superintendent. He was balding. He, no, he was nothing flashy about him. He was family man. But so I started digging deeper and I got his military records, and then the picture really started to come together because of what he went through during World War II in the South Pacific and the trauma that he suffered. I didn’t wanna write a straight True crime book. So I wanted to do something different. I didn’t want it to be ordinary. I wanted it to be get underneath the behavior. It’s the, the criminology major is, was showing it’s yeah. Was coming to the fore. So I wanna get underneath it. So I consider this book more of a nonfiction noir. ‘Cause if you watch those old movies, a lot of ’em have a theme where you have, the main character, the anti-hero. These are movies from the forties, all black and white. All shadowy. Yeah. They come back from World War ii and they’re troubled. They’re shell-shocked. JoEM, Joe Mack came back and he’s marred. Something about his personality had changed and he’s one of the few individuals that I’ve encountered who [00:05:00] actually age into crime. He didn’t age out of it like everybody else. He aged into it. But he was very good at what he did. He was a brilliant individual. Very strong-willed. Someone said that I talked to, they said that, all the fear, whatever fear he had was knocked out of him, in SVO sound. When his ship went down, which was a USS Quincy with his brother on it. So he became a, began to emerge as a fascinating figure. But what. Made me decide to write the book was when I was hooked up with his daughter by TJ English. I reached out to him and he, he told me about Jackie McDonald. I reached out to her and I said, I’m thinking about writing a book about your father, Joe McDonald. I don’t think that the the literature on him now really got him right. And she said, give me a night to drink about it. Yeah, so the next morning she told me she was she’ll tell me everything she knows and she was the right person because first of all, she was named for the brother that he lost in SVO sound that he never got over his little brother. Her name’s [00:06:00] Jacqueline. And like her father, she’s absolutely brilliant. She’s charismatic. She is incredibly honest. If she’s not sure about something she’d say. So nothing in it was, what she told me was about herself. It was nothing was ego driven. She wanted to tell the truth of her father. And what I began to realize early on is that you know this, you have victims of guys like Joe McDonald who killed dozens of people professionally, but he was a murderer. There’s no doubt about it. And you have a lot of victims, including in his own family. Not that he intended to hurt his daughters and his son, but his, who he was and what he was, did a lot of damage to his own family and she was the perfect person to talk to because she was so honest. She’s also very funny if, you read about her in the book, she comes across as a real character, very charismatic. So her story runs parallel with his, she comes out about the middle of the book. I trace her life alongside with his, and she had a memoir that she did many years ago and she shared that with me. [00:07:00] She’s she really is a force of good, if you will, in the book. She’s the one to cheer for, she’s the one to root for. Joe McDonald is a formidable figure, but he’s a dark and shadow. We figure. I do bring him out as much as I can and he is fascinating, but. I felt like I needed someone to root for the reader, yeah. And also, it’s women who love true crime the most. Yeah. Gary Jenkins: That’s so Springs Toledo: had to give nod to them, they’re gonna buy it. Gary Jenkins: That is true. And a story like this will will attract men and women both, sometimes those just straight, kill ’em all and let God sort ’em out. Of true crime books are not really attractive to women. That’s really interesting that. You’re showing the human side of this guy instead of just the crime side, which there every one of these guys that are professional criminals in this life have a human side. They, that’s what one thing that fascinated me about ’em, even way back when I started, went into the intelligence unit is these guys all had families and they had kids going to St. Pius up here and they played football and the families all showed up [00:08:00] when their kids played football and they were in little league and all that kind of normal stuff. On one hand, but yet they came over into the CI city in here. They came from the suburbs over in the city and were these gangsters all night long, and then went back home to their suburban homes. So that family side. That’s really interesting. I’m glad you did that. Springs Toledo: That’s compartmentalization. And Joe was the best at it. But there was something unusual about this case and that is that. Joe told nothing to anybody. His Winter Hill partners barely knew about his personal life. They didn’t know much about him. Yeah, nobody knew much about him. ’cause he didn’t confide in anybody. He did it the way you’re supposed to do it. As an organized, if you’re gonna get into organized crime, you want to follow his lead. And he lived a tough life. It’s nothing to get into in terms of choosing that as an occupation. However, he did confide in his daughters. He trusted them and he told them an awful lot, which he didn’t realize was traumatizing them. But. Jackie McDonald is blessed with a very good memory, so she was able to fill in [00:09:00] a lot of blanks about some of which were cold case murders and other just, real eyebrow raising incidents that happened. I think this book would’ve been invaluable to the FBI. Right up to the early nineties interest because of the stuff that came out, several cold case murders. I think I solved them. And, they were attributable, well attributed. I attribute them to Joe, a few. I know he did. But, people didn’t know, and he was a, excuse my saying, but he had. He was a real talent for that. He knew how to get you. He knew how to find you. He knew how to get you. And he also, like I said, he didn’t have any fear, so there was nothing holding him back. And that’s a difference from Whitey Bulger. What people don’t realize is that Whitey Bulger was a very careful man. And that’s why a lot of murders attributed to Whitey Bulger. He didn’t do, it doesn’t even, it, it offends his personality. He was the kind of guy, if he’s gonna kill you, you’re gonna be in the basement tied to a chair, or you’re gonna be a woman. He’s not on Northern Avenue in Boston in broad daylight, killing Brian Halleran. It’s not true. That’s not Whitey [00:10:00] bulge, that’s not how he operated. Joe Mack was a different beast altogether, and yet he was never indicted for murder. He was questioned maybe for one of them. And the title is really a reason for that because you didn’t talk about Joe Mack. That’s actually, that’s that’s. I like the title a lot. It took me a long time to get to that title. First title was Hey Joe, ’cause of the song. And I was like, ah. Nobody said, Hey, Joe to him. Where you going with that gun in your hand, huh? That’s right. You’re good. Yeah. Jimmy Hendrix. And then another title was the Wars of Joe Mack. That was a little too masculine that works, but it was too masculine. Yeah, don’t talk about Joe Mack really captures, what he was and how he operated. Gary Jenkins: Springs set the geographic scene. I’ve always been a little bit confused about this in Boston. IU Boston is unlike Kansas City, for example, what I’m familiar with. It has these really distinct areas in neighborhoods. Set the scene, the Italians African Americans, the Irish what set that up for us? [00:11:00] Springs Toledo: Okay, this is the, fifties, sixties, seventies that, that’s where most of the book is occurring. Especially 60, 70, actually into the eighties. Boston first of all it’s basically back then was an Irish Catholic city. Yeah. There were other ethnicities, but it was overrun with the Irish and there were neighborhoods. So you had. You had neighborhood crews, you had crews that were operated out of East Boston. That’s Barboza, south Boston was several of them. Jamaica Plain, the North End obviously was where the mafia was. Sented La Ostra. Somerville, Charlestown. And a lot of, most of these guys who were got into criminality. Not only did they have families, they also had occupations. They were long showmen, they were roofers. They had jobs. I’m a policeman. And back then policemen, you didn’t make a lot of money. So you were encouraged to supplement your income. Oh yeah. Some of these guys were, they were detectives by day and they’re doing heists at night and that was not uncommon. And. Over time, certain organizations [00:12:00] became more organized and the Irish, remember, were barely organized. They were more like, it was more like the old West when things got hot. It was also a whiskey driven, a lot of the heinous acts and the murders that started to happen with that, the Irish gang war in the sixties, everybody was drunk. Some of these guys were really nice guys and then they got to the whiskey and forget it. They become monsters. Not everybody, but but. Boston was also very segregated. Not like the south. It was, there was natural neighborhoods, I was in Hy Park, that’s where I came up. If I went to Southy, there was a problem ’cause I didn’t know a lot of people there. If somebody from Southie went to the North End, it’s a problem. You are Irish, you shouldn’t be here. You didn’t cross boundaries. Mattapan was Jewish and then it became black. Same thing. So everybody congregating together is very tribal in that sense. Less so now, but there are still pockets, what’s upsetting to me is that you barely hear the accent, and you’re walking through Boston, you don’t hear the accent too much anymore. You have to get to Dorchester. That’s their accent’s. 10 times worse than mine, [00:13:00] and mine’s pretty bad but Joe Mack was Joe Mack was born in Medford, Massachusetts. He then, he was in Somerville by about 1950. His mother had moved there as as clan, if you will. Had moved there, his sisters and brothers. And so he was in Somerville in Winter Hill, and that’s where he started to operate and that’s where he started to put things together. Gary Jenkins: Interesting. You say Winter Hill. So let’s talk about the beginnings or this Winter Hill gang. I’ve heard of this. Many times. And Whitey Bulger of course popularized it. So tell me about the Winter Hill gang and Howie Carr. And there’s a famous picture that see on internet or on Facebook with our Underboss Tuffy Luna and this guy that was the head of the Winter Hill gang and a couple other gangsters from New York. So tell us about the beginning of this Winter Hill gang. Springs Toledo: We deserves a lot of credit. He’s the one that really brought the stuff out beginning in the eighties. He had the guts to mention Joe Mack in print. That’s high risk. I’m not sure how much he did it, but he was really [00:14:00] attuned to it early. And he had some great books, but winter Hill’s a neighborhood in Somerville. It’s not South Boston. You talk to guys who were associated with the Winter Hill Gang, what they called the Hill. Really? It was called The Hill by those who were a part of that organization. They get very resentful about Whitey Belgium and some of them will say that Whitey Belger wasn’t Winter Hill. Whitey Belgium was a partner, but he was South Boston. Okay. Once, and it’s a big story, but once he, it’s all in the book. But once he betrayed his partners in 79. With Fleming and all the partners just about were either they were all indicted except for about this big horse racing scheme that was going on, across several states. But Whitey and Fleming were unindicted co-conspirators, and that was hint number one that prompted Joe to go to Howie Winter, who was the face of the organization and say, I’m gonna kill them both. He was talked out of it because it’d be too much heat because Whitey had some very serious connections. You can’t take that away from him. And so he was a high [00:15:00] risk hit. Joe would’ve done it anyway and would’ve probably made him disappear or threw it at another organization to get the heat off the hill. But he was restrained, which was, I thought was a big mistake, but who can tell then? But after he cleared the field of his rivals, who. Where his partners in the Winter Hill gang he ostensibly should have taken over the rackets in Somerville, but that wasn’t really the case. He had salty that was his turf. He was a local guy. Salty was really where he was. He was no longer really welcome is my understanding from guys who I talked to were there, he was basically chased out of the Marshall Motor’s garage in Somerville in Winter Hill, and that’s when he went to the Lancaster garage in, on North End, which is closer to home, closer to his. Space of operations. Yeah. But Whitey was very treacherous and he was Machiavellian in his methods. Joe at the time was already on the lamb because I don’t think Whitey would’ve survived that if Joe was close and saw what he was doing. So it’s a lot of what could have been, if Joe wasn’t in the wind because of several other crimes and murders he was [00:16:00] doing at the time, he was actually on the FBI’s 10 most wanted on 76, long before Whitey was on it. Gary Jenkins: Interesting. So then the relationship between Howie Carr and Joe Mack how was that, how did that shake down? Springs Toledo: Howie Winter, you mean, Gary Jenkins: or Howie Winter, I’m sorry. Springs Toledo: Yeah. Howie Winter was mentored by Joe Mack. See, Joe Mack was really, he was like the general, he was like the general on the field. The Irish don’t operate in a hierarchy. That’s an Italian thing. There’s no ring kissing in an Irish pub. It’s just a different culture. What they were partners. You had one guy up front. He was the face of it. That’s Howie. Howie was the face of it before Howie’s buddy McClain. In the early, in the early sixties. Joe though, the guy in the shadows, he used to say, I’m at the back of the bus. He’s at the back of the bus, but he’s the one with the map. He’s the go-to guy. The guy up front is the guy that gets hit. That’s the guy that gets indicted. So Joe was astute enough to, just stay in the [00:17:00] background, let the kids have it. But they were. Very close, very close. During the war they were, very tight-knit organization. These were friends. They were very affectionate with each other. They took care of one another. This is before Whitey came in. He was, he poisoned the well. But Joe and Howie and Buddy McClean and they, anos when they come in, they were very close. It was a kind of a band of brothers in a way. But Joe still made. Maintain that, everybody was at arms length with him. He was careful about everybody. There was a rift between Howie and Joe later in their respective lives in the in the eighties, into the nineties. I’m told that it was healed. I don’t think it was, and that’s unfortunate. But they were close to most of their lives, they literally went to war together on, on the street, you’re gonna form strong bonds when you know you’re looking at this guy and you gotta rely on him to watch your back. And Gary Jenkins: yeah, Springs Toledo: that’s what was happening. Gary Jenkins: So Irish, they didn’t kick up, if you will, to somebody above them. Everybody was a kind of a independent operator. If you got a piece of action and you had something going that you didn’t have to kick up to [00:18:00] somebody to be part of the Winter Hill gang, if you will. Springs Toledo: That was where the, there were a lot of crews around. They were called independents. And there’s a lot of them around in Boston in the sixties. But if you got too big and you started making real money, Patri was a power in Boston. Gary Jenkins: Yeah. Springs Toledo: Raymond Patri, he was a power in Boston. There’s no doubt about that. But there’s two schools of thought. Some believe that Winter Hill had to always kick up to them, kick to Providence. Others say? No, not really. Because first of all, he loved Buddy McClean. Buddy McClain was he was a very charismatic guy, very tough guy, and he was a man of his word, so they really liked him. So there’s the other school of thought is that, they liked Buddy, they gave him a pass on that. But every now and then they’d have to do him favors, maybe do some hits, things like that. Yeah. Yeah. But again, but in, in Boston it’s, like I said, it’s mostly Irish, it’s not set up like New York where the Italians are a real power that’s right there. He, one guy, matter of fact a name of one of the chapters in the book where I get into the Gangland war. Is Boston was [00:19:00] overrun with sick bastards, quote unquote, because there was just so many dangerous guys. There wasn’t a few here and there, like the gallows or it, there was hundreds of guys and there was damn near psychopathic they were called and underworld polls. There was savages, they go right to your house. And it was too many. This, one guy actually several believed that if there was a problem between Rhode Island. The Boston Underworld, meaning Boston Writ Lodge, including Somerville, Medford, Malden, all that. That. The Italians would’ve come to the table. ’cause the Irish underworld, the Boston Underworld here would’ve made it very much not worth it. Not worth the blood and the treasure. So it’s, yes, with very interesting culture here. What you couldn’t control the Boston underworld. They would just, Boston itself has a reputation. You don’t wanna invade this place. Gary Jenkins: Yeah, just ask the English, huh? Springs Toledo: Exactly. Yeah. We go way back with that stuff. Yeah. Gary Jenkins: Yeah it’s, I was at I went into the north end and looked around at Prince Street and all the place where [00:20:00] Jerry Angelo and all that was going on, and that is such a small. Discreet little area in that then, so you, they just operated and he was not any kind of a real power. It didn’t seem to be like, compared to patriarchal. He was under patriarchal of course. And he didn’t really, it’s like the Irish all had their own thing all around him. All, and he didn’t really have didn’t, I didn’t find any, anything I’ve ever seen where there was much to do between those two. Was there, did he have anything about that? Springs Toledo: He had he had two guys joe Russo, he was a killer. He was a very serious individual and a guy who has two names. Some call him Byi, some call him Zino. Larry was his name. Very serious guy. But that’s two guys. The other dangerous guys in the north end. They were getting up there in age. Meanwhile, like you just alluded to, this sur this surrounded, by these, these crazy guys. Yeah, but they, they did. There was some interplay, there was some contracts would be given to the Hill, for instance. That happened several times. The Hill would borrow [00:21:00] money from Angelou and Jou had a lot of money. They’d borrow money from him. Whitey Belger borrowed money from him with Fleming and actually didn’t pay it back. And then Joe Mack got out of the can. This is 80 late 86, 87, and him and Howie went to Fleming and Whitey and said, listen, you’re paying them back. Matter of fact, you’re paying them back a million because you made us look bad. We pay our debts, you pay him, you pay in back 1 million. And they did. They Whitey Bulger. Yeah. Whitey Bulger did not step two, Joe McDonald. In other words he wasn’t the power that Johnny Depp would have us believe. Gary Jenkins: Interesting. So let’s go back to the family just a little bit. His daughter Jack Le, so when he went to prison, did she talk about that? I have a friend who went to prison for several years and he talks, tells me a lot about his kids coming to visit him in prison. Did he talk about that? Did she talk about that? How that affected her? Springs Toledo: She she talks about her whole life and how he was a shadow in her life. She loved him, [00:22:00] but he brought a lot of chains behind him and a lot of ghosts and a lot of fear of FBI raids and things like that. Even when he was on the run from the FBI was on the, top 10 most wanted, it’s only six o’clock news all over the place in every post office. He would just show up and see her. He thought he was being a dutiful father. He’s showing up. He’s got these black sideburns, glued onto his face and she could see the ink dripping. He got his rug on his head he startled her a lot. So she. He was a cause of great anxiety. And then she became a mother, and then things started to change. She had to protect her boys. And while, he looked like he could be a good grandfather, he was an extremely dangerous man. And when he went away to prison, she tried to be a good daughter. She would send him clippings. Matter of fact, she sent him a clipping of I think it was a national examiner because her father was in it. It was about the top 10. FBI fugitives. And she pointed out she was into astronomy and she astrology and she pointed [00:23:00] out that Joe Mack and another guy named Leo Corey had the same birthday, July 14th. So she thought he’d get a kick outta that. He gets outta prison a few years later, and he shows up at her house with Leo Corey. Who’s still on the top 10 most wanted. And she, he opens the door. He said, do you remember this guy? And she turned, that, that was a scary, that was a very scary moment for her. Yeah. He’s bringing very, this is a convicted murderer. It’s a multiple murderer. She’s got bringing, he’s bringing it to her house like he’s an old friend. So that kind of stuff happened a lot. It almost show off like that. Look what I can do. Yeah. So she had, I, she did love him and she has since forgiven him. And I think this book is part of her process to forgive, what he put her through and what he put his other children through. Not intentionally, he tried to be a good father, but how can you. In that position. Gary Jenkins: Yeah. Yeah. When you bring that violence into the home, and you can’t help but bring that aura of [00:24:00] violence with you. When you live that life and when you come back into the home, there’s still that edge of violence that, that unspoken communication, you jump every time, somebody pulls up out in front and you’re running to the window to see who it is and there’s just always, always on edge. I, that would be it. Springs Toledo: Here’s a good story. So he’s on the run. This is in the I think it’s the late sixties. Joe’s on the run. She’s at home and Joe set his wife and kids up in Malden and a house on the hill. And originally he was gonna live there too. And it’s a, it is a great place. He’s up, he’s on a corner. He’s on a hill. You can see Boston from it. So it’s got a great vantage point for kind of a, a paranoid damaged war veteran. Yeah. So a call comes into the house. Voice says, you know who this is. She’s about 11, 12 years old. Voice says, you know who this is? Yes. Meet me at the bottom of the hill. So she gets her sister Patty and they meet their dad at the bottom of the hill. He takes them bowling and saga. He’s got the disguise on. Yeah. He’s got so many IDs, fake IDs, and he’s they [00:25:00] go to they, they go bowl and. You gotta wait for Lane. So he’s sitting there like this, he got his arms out. He’s feeling good about himself. He’s a good dad. He got his two teenage girls here and one of ’em, one of ’em, almost a teenager. And suddenly over the intercom, Thomas Campbell, your lane is ready. And he’s just sitting there. Thomas Campbell, he’s just sitting there. Finally his daughter says, pat says, dad, that’s you. Oh. And off he goes. So he wasn’t even sure who he was half the time. Yeah. So he’s my heart went out to him in that sense because here’s a man who made some very dark life choices and he’s trying to be a conventional father. Meanwhile, he’s gotta keep his eye on the clock, on the door, on the phone and everything else, all day long. Not to mention the fact that, there’s, it was dangerous lifestyle. But, his daughters, I, his daughters, they idolize him and they loved him. They didn’t fear him, he never raised his hand to them, never raised his hand to them, but they feared what he brought with ’em. Yeah. And that’s a theme book. Gary Jenkins: Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, that’s a, that’s that is so interesting. Think about this [00:26:00] era or of violent violence. I think somewhere in the book I noticed I was going through it where he may have been possibly one of the suspects on the Joe Barbosa head out in San Francisco when they finally got him and in. Springs Toledo: That’s fascinating because actually I had to take out ’cause of the publisher, I take about 15,000 words, but I really get into that. But that had to go. But what happened was. He had to go out there and kill a federal witness. And this guy was a civilian. This guy looked like a grandfather. And but he was gonna be a fence for some rear stamps that Joe had taken a million dollars worth of rear stamps. And this guy was gonna be the fence. He was a rear stamp collector out in Sierra Madre. Long story short, in January of 1976, Joe Mack drives out there, shoots him in the head five times in front of his wife, and then in February, that’s when Bob Bozer is killed February, 1976. This is January, 1976. Now, what I heard from two sources, and they’re pretty good, is that Joe did not go from Sierra Madre, [00:27:00] California back to Somerville. What he did was he went to Laurel Canyon and that’s where Alex Rocco was staying. Alex Rocco du played Mo Green in The Godfather. Oh, Gary Jenkins: yeah. Yeah. Springs Toledo: Yeah, he was a Winter Hill guy and Joe stayed with him on the lamb for so many weeks. I don’t know if it’s true. I couldn’t chase that down. No way you’re gonna find that out. But it was an intriguing little tidbit. So then in in February Bob Bozer is killed. Now when that news hit a bar in Boston called Clocks was a mob hangout. The bartender who knew all these guys. He got off the phone and he yelled out to the bar that Bleepity bleep stool pigeon. Animal Barbosa is dead and gone. God bless Joe Mack. That’s what he said. He just assumed Joe Mack did it. So what I’m trying to chase that down and what happens is so I’m talking to guys, who’re talking to guys. What I [00:28:00] found out is that one guy said no, this that, that wasn’t Joe that was kept in-house among the Italians because Bob Bza really took apart the Italians influences Yeah. In Boston. Yeah. He took them apart with lies. And however, there were three people in that van. I got these I got freedom of information documents and. What I was told by a made guy actually, is that it was Russo and Byi Zino. They’re the ones that took out Bob Bozo with a shotgun from a van. The van two seats were taken out of the van. The windows were painted black. This. Side windows were painted black and peeps were drilled into the side door and the back, so they worked hard to get ’em, but there was a third man in the van, so that’s a little intriguing. Could it have been Joe? I don’t know. Probably not. I’d have to say probably not, but nice story. And then from there, and then literally just a few weeks after that, Joe was in disguise. Remember now he’s already on the news as a as a top 10 fugitive. The FBI’s looking [00:29:00] for, and where is he? He’s in Walpole. How did I find out? I got everybody’s prison records. I could, and Brian Halleran, who turns up later in the book and then turns up dead later in the book. He’s in prison. Joe visits him. How do I know? It’s Joe’s Alias? John A. Kelly, that was his alias at the time. So he’s wanted by the FBI, he’s on the news and literally a week or two later. He’s visiting somebody in Walpole State Prison. From there, I trace him to Montreal. What’s he doing in Montreal? He’s sticking, he’s holding up a an ahed car robbery. With the Montreal Express, they had a great program, the Montreal Express. And Somerville, what they would do is they would just swap guys to do these big highs, get these ika, get these banks, and then just return. So it was awfully hard to catch ’em ’cause they’re just doing like a swap off. Yeah. Joe Mack. Was up there. And what he was doing was, and he, it was a white van, which raises an eyebrow, another white van. And the Amed car, the guy wouldn’t open the door. So they open up the [00:30:00] door of the back doors of the white van. And there is a World War II Browning anti-aircraft gun. And guess who’s behind it? Joe Mack. So this is a very busy man, and he should be, he’s retirement age but did he kill Boba? Probably not, but there was a third guy there. I would not be surprised. I know the Italians used him. Gary Jenkins: You brought something to Montreal Express Now what’s that? I, that I’m not from, I’ve not heard that term before. Springs Toledo: I wasn’t either, but that a lot of guys told me they Gary Jenkins: back heard your story there. Springs Toledo: Yeah, there is. Yeah. They were they were up, they were they were bank robbers. They went for the armor trucks. That was their forte. Very well organized. Very skilled. They were specialized and they would swap off with, winter Hills, sometimes with Southie and South Boston, I should say. South Boston and Somerville would, they were very close, they were very much aligned. They would swap off. I think one of ’em was the brother of a Bruins hockey player. Yeah. Gary Jenkins: Interesting. These guys, they got their connections. I found out more and more after I since I started doing this podcast, how many connections people [00:31:00] had between cities and even within a city connections to regular look like Square John, businessmen and just connections all over the place. It’s Springs Toledo: all over the place. Matter of fact, Joe was Joe was in contact with the guys who escaped from Alcatraz. I couldn’t prove it, but I heard that, he was sending them money and, and supporting them. I pro I didn’t find nearly 50% of what Joe was up to, but that’s more than anybody else. I think before this book, we knew about 2% of what he was up to. Yeah. Gary Jenkins: It was Springs Toledo: pretty guy. Sure. Yeah. He was a footnote in the most of the books. Just a footnote, if that. So Gary Jenkins: that’s the smart one, the one that keeps his head down and keeps out of the papers and everything. Did that, did you talk to John Ano? Springs Toledo: Yes. Yeah. Gary Jenkins: Interesting. Springs Toledo: I did. He was he loved, first thing he said was how much he loved him. All these guys, very serious guys. They’re very powerful guys in the underworld. And when I brought his name up the ones who were close to him, they would say I love that. I love that man. Loved him. They loved and [00:32:00] revered him. Other guys who were not as close to him, but who were very, operatives in the bus world. I bring his name up now, he’s been gone since 1997. And they’d look around like this. And they say, oh gee. So you know, his name is still enough to and matter of fact, I was told early on when I was poking around that I’m poking around in dangerous places and Joe still has friends and you don’t wanna cross these guys, so even now his his shadow still looms, if you will, but I think it approve of what I did because, what I heard is that he’s very honest. He would not want any biographer to pull a pull punches about who and what he was. I didn’t, yeah. But some of his friends warned me. They were, you gotta be careful with this, but I call it bachelor’s privilege. I’m not married, I have no kids. If I end up in a ditch, who cares? So I can take risks. Gary Jenkins: Yeah. That’s some truth. It’s just that last few minutes before you’d done the dish, you go, oh shit, I wish I was anywhere but here. I, Springs Toledo: I would ask to talk to a priest. Let me get a confession. That what you gotta do, Gary Jenkins: you Springs Toledo: know, Gary Jenkins: you’d be like I think it was Tony Citro. Supposedly the story was he [00:33:00] wanted to know if he could say a quick prayer before they did him in, but Springs Toledo: I hope they let him, Gary Jenkins: I don’t know. Steve Fleming, we met, you’d mentioned about Steve Fleming, the Rifleman, who was whitey’s buddy and you, I think you mentioned you had a story about Steve Fleming. Springs Toledo: Steve Fleming was it’s interesting he doesn’t appear too much in the book. One of the things I had to do with this, I had to do my best to keep the names down. One of the a fatal flaw in a whole lot of Boston and Underworld books than any underworld books is there was just 8,000 names. Too many names. There’s too many names. So I, so I mentioned him a few times ’cause you have to, but I’m not focused on Fleming, but I can tell you that Joe was very suspicious of Fleming as early as he was very suspicious of Whitey. He respected him. Fleming was a killer. More of an ambush killer than than a Savage or a guy who took a lot of risks. He was a lot like Whitey, like that. But no, Joe didn’t trust him because. He had a long bid and he got out early, and that’s always a cause for concern among those guys. Why are [00:34:00] you out early? They got a story and the stories backed up by the government. They were already in cahoots. Gary Jenkins: Yeah. Springs Toledo: But with the names, there was one guy, this is an example. He was actually an MDC cop who was part of the Winter Hill gang in the early sixties, and his name was Russ Nicholson. I don’t wanna keep saying Russ Nicholson, the cop. So I shortened it to Russ the cop. Yeah. And then as things went on and the, police department realized that this guy’s involved in the rackets, they forced him to resign. So then I started calling them Rust, the ex cop. Then Rusty ex-cop gets clipped probably by Georgie McLaughlin. He’s dead, so now he’s Rust the dead ex-cop. So I’m trying to be polite to the reader and keep the names down. Gary Jenkins: Interesting. That’s a good idea that I know about that, that people say I love what you did, but there’s too many names. I got confused who was who. So it’s Springs Toledo: yeah, Gary Jenkins: it’s always a problem with these deals. All right, Springs, Toledo. [00:35:00] Let’s see. All of a sudden I like there it is. There you go guys. And guys, I will have your his link to for all his books and the show notes and of course links to my books too, but links to all of these guy, these books. You had some even about John Brown. You wanna go back into little Civil War history? Why check those out too. Guys, thanks so much for coming on the show. Springs Toledo: My pleasure.

When Lawrence Longo launched the Off the Menu app, he was not envisioning becoming one of the most prolific restaurateurs in Los Angeles. Yet a decade later, that's exactly where we are. Lawrence is responsible for the birth of Prince St. Pizza in Los Angeles, rescuing beloved stalwart Irv's Burgers, launching Tacos 1986 & even pioneering the smashburger craze with Burgers Never Say Die. Truly a fascinating character with a unique & fun origin story.

#362: Alan Nguyen is the co-founder of social media trending NYC coffee shop, FifthSip. The specialty coffee shop features Vietnamese coffee drinks and is located in Nolita, in downtown NYC, off of the popular Mott and Prince Street. Before he began this journey of building FifthSip with his team of co-founders, he was a Michelin-trained chef and spent years in culinary school and building his culinary expertise in several different Michelin star restaurants, including Robuchon in Las Vegas.Topics discussed:Reality of building a life and career as a chef and in the food & beverage spaceTrue behind the scenes of building a business, especially a coffee shop from scratchDifference between Vietnamese coffee and normal coffeeHow to listen to yourself and trust your decisions, even if your parents may disagree with you (especially with immigrant parents or parents from a different culture)Recognizing that certain careers may not be the highest earning in the beginning years, but there may be a different payout with compounding yearsENJOY 10% OFF THE WHAT FULFILLS YOU? CARD GAME AT www.whatfulfillsyou.com - code "WHATFULFILLSYOU10"Follow FifthSip on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/fifthsip.nycFollow the What Fulfills You? Podcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/whatfulfillsyouFollow Emily Elizabeth's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/emilyeduongSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/what-fulfills-you-podcast/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

The morning of Friday May 25, 1979, started out like just another day for Julie Patz; her husband Stan, a photographer; and their children, eight-year-old Shira, six-year-old Etan and two-year-old Ari. It was a busy morning. Julie ran a daycare out of her Soho loft at 113 Prince Street in New York City, and she was getting her own kids ready for the day and at the same time, preparing for the influx of kids who would be arriving soon. Shira didn’t want to roll out of bed, but Etan, who his family described as a sweet, loving and friendly boy, was excited to start the school day. Six-year-old Etan asked his mom if he could walk the two short blocks to the school bus stop alone - for the very first time. Since it was the last few weeks of the school year, his mom said that would be okay. Etan had a plan. He had a dollar in his pocket, which a neighborhood handyman had given him the day before when Etan helped him in his workshop. Etan was going to stop at the corner bodega at Prince and West Broadway, and buy a soda before getting on the bus. Julie walked Etan downstairs, and as she watched him walk down the street before going back upstairs, she told herself that it was only two blocks. That was the last time that Julie ever saw her son. This case became a huge story not just in New York but in the entire country. Etan Patz became the literal poster child for missing children, and Julie and her husband Stan were the living embodiment of every parent’s worst nightmare. What if your child disappeared one day, and you never found out what really happened to them? Forty-six years later, this case is still active. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Send us a textI'm starting with the alarming Putin and Trump Alaska summit where Putin's focused speech about economic expansion into the US and his emphasis on Alaska's proximity to Russia as a former Russian territory really freaked me out, especially knowing his associate Volodin was simultaneously meeting with Kim Jong-un in North Korea which no one covered. I'll tell you why this is important. Then I'm breaking down the most shocking tea that connects Bravo's Next Gen NYC star Charlie Zakkour to one of the most disturbing crypto kidnapping cases in New York history! In this deep dive, I reveal how Charlie wasn't just friends with crypto kidnappers John Woeltz and William Duplessie - he was actually working as their recruiter, bringing models and young women to their Prince Street townhouse where the alleged torture took place for money. I expose Charlie's connection to The Box nightclub scene, how he used Riley Burruss and other Bravo kids as marks to pay expensive bottle service bills while he recruited women for these dangerous men, and why parents like Teresa Giudice and Meredith Marks should be furious their daughters were put on a show with someone involved in this world. I'm also revealing the truth behind Jacqueline Laurita's $750,000 default judgment drama that turned out to be completely misreported by the media plus Todd Nepola's unhinged 10-minute Instagram rant threatening to sue Bravo producers over claims that don't add up with what Alexia has said publicly and what I know. Plus, I'm spilling exclusive new details about the mysterious Montauk murder of bathing suit company owner Martha Nolan O'Ceallaigh, who was found dead on insurance mogul Christopher Durham's boat after a night of partying - and why her naked host running from the scene screaming raises major red flags. Also I wonder if Dorit Kemsley knew her and it was odd RHOBH was filming there when it happened. From Putin's concerning rhetoric to crypto torture dungeons to mysterious boat deaths, this episode connects all the dots you've been missing!For the Full epsodes go here for only $6.00 per month plus more show! https://www.patreon.com/c/DishingDramaWithDanaWilkeySupport the showDana is on Cameo!Follow Dana: @Wilkey_Dana$25,000 Song - Apple Music$25,000 Song - SpotifyTo support the show and listen to full episodes, become a member on PatreonTo learn more about sponsorships, email DDDWpodcast@gmail.comDana's YouTube Channel

Tips on being prepared for home buying season, one of New York's most popular pizza restaurants is opening a location in Chicago and content creators look at the possibility of a future without TikTok.

Tips on being prepared for home buying season, one of New York's most popular pizza restaurants is opening a location in Chicago and content creators look at the possibility of a future without TikTok.

Tips on being prepared for home buying season, one of New York's most popular pizza restaurants is opening a location in Chicago and content creators look at the possibility of a future without TikTok.

Tips on being prepared for home buying season, one of New York's most popular pizza restaurants is opening a location in Chicago and content creators look at the possibility of a future without TikTok.

The Princess of Prince Street Helps Jiggles is another adventure with Princess. Princess has not been out that much recently, as her owners have taken much time off during the summer. Now that they are back at work, she looks forward to getting out and seeing her friends and the neighbourhood. Princess waits until she is sure her owners are not returning, then explores. This time, she heads in another direction and goes to Prince Street School to see what is happening.  Sleep Tight!, Sheryl & Clark❤️

Joining us this episode is Dave Timblin, co-owner and founder of Truth Beer Co. along with his childhood friend Ryan White.TBC opened in 2022 in Akron after the pair spent nearly a decade of home brewing together and planning. In January of 2024, TBC opened its new taproom on N. Prince Street in Lancaster. We chat about all of this, plus Truth's history and connection to our good friends and Pour Man's Brewing, Dave's past homebrewing and professional brewing experience, and more. Plus, a round of the rarely appearing Libation of Fabrication variant that is Brewery or Forgery. Do you love Beer Busters? Of course you do!Why not leave us a rating and review on your podcast platform of choice and consider supporting us on Patreon.

Lawrence Longo comes to the show to talk about Irv's Burgers, Prince Street Pizza & best food cities in America APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://forms.gle/D2cLkWfJx46pDK1MA BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: Jenna@DigitalSocialHour.com SPONSORS: Deposyt Payment Processing: https://www.deposyt.com/seankelly LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Enter Sugar Wood, a haven of inclusivity and a champion of sex-positivity, in NYC's vibrant Soho neighborhood. Our lineup includes our naughty waffles, scandalous cookies, cheeky popsicles, and titillating chocolate bars designed to delight and entertain. Check out this exclusive interview with Austin Allen from Sugar Wood. We discuss how the brand started, their sweet confections and how you can help the brand grow! Web: https://sugarwood.co About: Sugar Wood is an inclusive, sex-positive dessert shop located on Prince Street in New York City. We make a variety of delicious desserts including waffles, cookies and chocolate bars. Join The Movement: https://republic.com/sugarwood... ► Luxury Women Handbag Discounts: https://www.theofficialathena.... ► Become an Equus Coach®: https://equuscoach.com/?rfsn=7... ► For $5 in ride credit, download the Lyft app using my referral link: https://www.lyft.com/ici/ASH58... ► Review Us: https://itunes.apple.com/us/po... ► Subscribe: http://www.youtube.com/c/AshSa... ► Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/1lov... ► Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ashsa... ► Twitter: https://twitter.com/1loveAsh ► Blog: http://www.ashsaidit.com/blog #atlanta #ashsaidit #theashsaiditshow #ashblogsit #ashsaidit®Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-ash-said-it-show--1213325/support.

Princess is taking Ignatius for a walk in the park, her favourite place to be. On their way, they stop by a seafood restaurant and a church and visit a friend of Princess. When they arrive in the park, Princess points out the different places to Ignatious when they see a bunch of dogs coming over. Let's see what is going to happen. Sleep Tight!, Sheryl & Clark❤️

On the morning of December 14, 2011, Jack and Jeri Magee, a well-liked and respected couple in their late 60s, were found shot to death in their Andover, Massachusetts mansion. The only item missing from their home was the couple's Lexus, which was discovered on fire, 20 miles away in Boston. Despite an extensive investigation, authorities have yet to identify any motives or suspects in the double homicide. It's been just over 12 years since Jack and Jeri were killed, and investigators are still searching for the person or people responsible… Jack and Jeri Magee were found shot to death in their home, located on Orchard Crossing in Andover, Massachusetts, on the morning of December 14, 2011. Their black, 2008 Lexus SUV was found on fire on Prince Street in the North End of Boston the night before.  Anyone with information should call the Massachusetts State Police detectives assigned to the Essex County District Attorney's office at 978-745-8908 or the Andover Police Anonymous Tip Line at 978-623-3560. Editor: Shannon Keirce Research/Writing: Haley Gray and Anna Luria SUBMIT A CASE HERE: Cases@DetectivePerspectivePod.com SOCIAL Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/detperspective/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/detperspective FIND DERRICK HERE Twitter: https://twitter.com/DerrickL Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/DerrickLevasseur Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DerrickVLevasseur CRIME WEEKLY AND COFFEE Criminal Coffee Company: https://www.CriminalCoffeeCo.com Crime Weekly:  https://crimeweeklypodcast.com/shop ADS: 1. FactorMeals.com/Detective50 - Use code DETECTIVE50 for 50% off! 

In this, the second podcast episode of my occasional series of discussions with art world insiders, I visit the gallerist, Louis Meisel in New York, to discuss collecting American photo realism, works by the British ceramicist Clarice Cliff, vintage ice cream scoops and Playboy pin-up printsThe Louis K Meisel gallery, Prince Street, Soho, New York. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit rufusbird.substack.com

Do you like dogs? The Princess of Prince Street is a story about an intelligent, smart, beautiful dog. She lets her owners know she is smart by the things she can do. After they leave, Princess heads out of the house to meet up with the gang. It has been raining and she hasn't seen them for a while. Once the gang is together, they notice another dog nearby. Would this new dog become part of their gang? Sleep Tight!Sheryl & Clark❤️

Change may not come easily, but it's not an insurmountable challenge. Your future self is shaped by the choices you make every day. This Sunday we're launching a new series where we'll explore how adopting some minor habits can alter your present self-perception and pave the way for you to become the person you aspire to be in the future!9:30am   759 Prince Street, Truro11:00am  Maple Ridge Elementary School, Lantz

Nicky Bandera lays out her path to creating Project Paulie pretty simply stating, “I just started cooking.” In March 2020, as the world locked down due to the pandemic, Nicky Bandera found herself and many of her friends, family, & colleagues out of work. She knew she had to do something, so she started cooking.  At 5:00am each morning, Nicky would start making her mom's sauce and baking lasagna for the people in her circle who needed a little boost. Before she could realize the impact, the circle grew and she had sent over 2000 lasagnas to people in need, with the support of a core group of friends and her surrounding community who helped sponsor and deliver the care packages. That's how “we feed each other," is how Project Paulie was born. Nicky wanted to keep going but realized that maybe baking thousands of lasagnas each morning was not sustainable. Tapping into her fashion design background, Nicky worked with local artists to create the Project Paulie Tomato and featured it on a series of beanies. Each beanie color was assigned to a local organization, which would then receive proceeds from each hat sale. In August  2022, operations moved out of Nicky's home and into Project Paulie's official headquarters (“the House”) on Prince Street in the North End of Boston, MA.  The "Little Tomato" is a reminder of where Project Paulie started, symbolizing the tomato sauce Nicky made for all those lasagnas. When people ask “What's the tomato all about?”, it's an opportunity to talk about the organizations supported by the purchase of each hat, and maybe a chance to get people to connect and think of ways we can all help our community. #wefeedeachother Learn More About Project Paulie Project Paulie Instagram Nicky Bandera Instagram Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

When COVID hit, Lola Taverna in New York's SoHo neighborhood had only been open for a few months. The world had stopped, and Cobi Levy and Will Makris, the duo behind Prince Street Hospitality, had to pivot. They turned Lola Taverna into a communal gathering spot, offering takeout food with chairs to rent (the money went to first responders). Utilizing the park next door, they served up to 250 people a day. It helped them survive those uncertain pandemic days, and when restaurants were finally able to reopen, Lola Taverna was on everyone's mind, with a waitlist on the weekends that numbered up to 4,000. Today, their portfolio includes seven restaurants in New York and Miami, with Alba on the boards in Los Angeles, the pair's first foray to the West Coast.

by Jesse Jennison (read by Barbara Rosenblatt)

This week we're recapping a delicious Din Tai Fung work event and Winson has not happy with Prince Street Pizza lately.

In this episode we return to our home turf of the Loft, as David Mancuso moves his venue (and his home) from 647 Broadway to Prince Street. Tim and Jeremy detail the shutdown of the first Loft space, how David found the new location, and the battle he had with the art scene residents of Soho to stay there. The Prince Street Loft was a much larger space, set over two floors, so we hear about the different configuration of the sound system, and how across all Loft settings a collection of principles helped guide and maintain the setup. Jeremy and Tim talk more broadly about audiophile aesthetics, the introduction of 'the prelude' to David's musical journey, and the slippery concept of 'jazziness'. Plus, a deep dive on the Dark Side of the Moon. Produced and edited by Matt Huxley. Tune in, Turn on, Get Down! And check out our new website: https://www.loveisthemessagepod.co.uk/ Tracklist: Johnny Hammond - Los Conquistadores Chocolates D.C. LaRue - Cathedrals Lonnie Liston Smith - Expansions Pink Floyd - Speak to Me / Breathe Sandy Bull - Blend II Chuck Mangione - Land of Make Belief Ozo - Anambra

Check out our show notes from Episode 35 of The Moveable Feast:Little Louie's: 1478 Patton Ave, Asheville, NC 28806The Longboard: 1 Prince Street, Cruz Bay, St. John, USVI 00830Follow us on Twitter at @MoveFeastPod and on Instagram at @MoveableFeastPod. A big thank you to our producer Claude Jennings and our art director Ryan Harrison.

Hey welcome back to another episode of Street Runner TV,  In today's episode, Abu talks about the difference between Ryan Garcia and Tank Davis and also gives his final answer on who will win, ADHD and the different symptoms to look for, and last but not least Wack 100 and J prince. Did Wack lie about J prince being picked up by the feds?  

DiTullio & Dale joined RBTL CEO and Board Chair Arnie Rothschild. The theatre non-profit has entered a contract to buy the entire building located at East Main Street and Prince Street

For twenty years, Whitey Bulger terrorized Boston with the full collusion of the FBI.  On the run for sixteen years, he was eventually arrested on June 22, 2011. The Massachusetts State Police Wanted poster for Whitey. Whitey did not limit himself geographically to South Boston.  No longer able to access Marshall Motors because a jailed, cash strapped Howie Winter's family needed to rent it out, in early 1980, in a location owned by confederate George Kaufman, he set up another headquarters at a garage on Lancaster Street, only blocks away from Jerry Angiulo's North End office in a restaurant on Prince Street.  Here Bulger routinely met with Ilario “Larry” Zannino, Angiulo's number two man, among other bookies and criminals.  An initially strategic spot for such interactions, the Lancaster location set off a law enforcement reaction that was practically a keystone cop imitation.  When the Boston State Police received a tip that the garage was actually a chop shop, two investigators began surveillance from across the street.  Stunned when they observed the entrance and exit of some of Boston's most notorious mobsters, they realized bugging the garage would probably provide a mother lode of indictments.  Jack O'Donovan, the head of the organized crime unit for the Massachusetts State Police had long suspected that the FBI was colluding with Bulger, and O'Donovan was intent on investigating and arresting Bulger himself. Final mug shot, after sixteen years on the run When Charley Gasko emerged from the elevator into the rear area of the apartment building he would not be meeting up with Josh Bond.  Instead, he would be confronted by a half dozen FBI agents and various other law enforcement officials, guns drawn.  They ordered him to get on the ground, but despite his age and relative frailty, his response underlined that this was not your typical 81 year old senior citizen, in fact it was not Charlie Gasko at all.  It was America's Most Wanted criminal, James J. (Whitey) Bulger. Catherine Grieg, mugshot after Santa Monica arrest. Minutes later he called his longtime companion, the alleged Carol Gasko, who was in fact Bulger's longtime girlfriend and fellow fugitive, Catherine Grieg, his accomplice during Whitey's 16 year odyssey.  He told her that he had been arrested, that she should stay in the apartment and minutes later she was also brought down to the garage, both fugitives now in handcuffs. Josh Bond, property manager and Whitey's next door neighbor Bond, who also managed the Princess Eugenia, needed to reach Charles or Carol Gasko, the elderly, childless couple that occupied the northeast third floor corner apartment, #304.  The property manager actually knew the Gaskos' quite well, his own apartment was next door to theirs and he interacted with Charlie Gasko quite frequently.  Bond heard the phone ringing in his earpiece but there was no answer.  He hung up, not sure what to do.  The reason for his call was that the Gasko's storage unit at the rear of the building was broken into and he needed to know how the couple wanted to handle the situation.  Come down and meet him, Josh, in the back of the building or just have Josh notify the police. Foteas "Freddy" Geas, indicted for the prison murder of Whitey Bulger, now in Florence Supermax Prison On the evening of October 29, Bulger arrived at the US Penitentiary in Hazelton, West Virginia.  A high security prison where two inmates were murdered in the previous six weeks, unfortunately it also housed at least two individuals who made it completely unsuitable for Bulger.  One was Fotios (Freddy) Geas, serving a life sentence for the murder of two underworld criminals.  Although of Greek ethnicity, Geas was a hitman who operated in Springfield, Mass and was affiliated with the Mafia's Genovese crime family.  In fact, he was arrested as part of the FBI's investigation of organized crime in the Western Massachusetts area, an investigation that eventually involved the administration of Mayor Michael Albano.  Paul DeCologero was also a Northeastern Massachusetts organized crime figure, serving a lengthy sentence for murder.  On the morning of October 30, only minutes after Whitey Bulger's prison cell door was unlocked at 6 AM, close circuit cameras showed Geas and DeCologero entering Bulger's cell.  They left seven minutes later.  Whitey Bulger was discovered dead at approximately 8:20 AM, Whitey Bulger's grave, St. Joseph's Cemetery, West Roxbury, MA. He is buried with his parents, but has no individual marker. The Bulger family was not aware of his transfer to West Virginia and Jackie Bulger found out about his brother's death from the media.  However, it seems that many inmates knew of Whitey's impending transfer, Sean McKinnon, Geas' cellmate, and the third man eventually indicted for his murder was recorded on a prison line telling his mother in advance that Whitey was on his way.

Playing at fan-friendly Clipper Magazine Stadium, located just north of downtown Lancaster, the Barnstormers have brought enjoyment to over four million patrons since that memorable first-ever game on May 11, 2005. During that time, the club has produced two championships, winning Lancaster's first professional baseball title in more than half a century in 2006. The ‘Stormers repeated the feat in 2014.In addition to their successes in the standings, the Barnstormers have sent a number of players either back to the Major Leagues or to “The Show” for the first time. Among the players who have gone from Prince Street to the big leagues are former first round pick Jerome Williams, who later took the mound for the Phillies, local product Matt Watson and current Boston Red Sox right-hander Marcus Walden.Clipper Magazine Stadium has become a venue that is utilized for far more than baseball. It has become a party venue, an expo center, a concert hall, a Christmas village, and much more.Upcoming Christmas events at the Clipper Magazine Stadium: https://www.lancasterbarnstormers.com/events-2022/ Community Events: https://www.lancasterbarnstormers.com/community/ 

Paul speaks with Betty Lent, the Director of the Concord Community Player's show "Murder on the Orient Express". The show is the kickoff for the Community Player's 95th anniversary season. In a highly regarded adaptation by Tony Award winning playwright Ken Ludwig. Agatha Christie's 1934 novel comes to the stage with a glamorous international cast. Murder, mystery, intrigue, wit and humor abound in this whodunit as Hercule Poirot, Belgium's gift to the word of great detectives must discover who murdered an American tycoon inside his train compartment locked from the inside! Performance details: Friday and Saturday, November 18 and 19 at 7:30 pm, Sunday, November 20 at 2:00 pm Performances at Concord City Auditorium, 2 Prince Street, Concord, NH! Tickets $20 (or $16 with purchase of tickets to this and at least one other Players show this season)Purchase online at www.communityplayersofconcord.org, or at the box office.

Paul speaks with Betty Lent, the Director of the Concord Community Player's show "Murder on the Orient Express". The show is the kickoff for the Community Player's 95th anniversary season. In a highly regarded adaptation by Tony Award winning playwright Ken Ludwig. Agatha Christie's 1934 novel comes to the stage with a glamorous international cast. Murder, mystery, intrigue, wit and humor abound in this whodunit as Hercule Poirot, Belgium's gift to the word of great detectives must discover who murdered an American tycoon inside his train compartment locked from the inside! Performance details: Friday and Saturday, November 18 and 19 at 7:30 pm, Sunday, November 20 at 2:00 pm Performances at Concord City Auditorium, 2 Prince Street, Concord, NH Tickets $20 (or $16 with purchase of tickets to this and at least one other Players show this season) Purchase online at www.communityplayersofconcord.org, or at the box office

The FBI knew they had to record Gerry Angiulo and his brothers discussing mafia business in order to prove a RICO case. The north-end mob was bringing in $45,000 a week in gambling alone, the downfall was, from all the big mouths in the executive suite on Prince Street. The tapes were pure gold for the FBI and the media. As soon as the handcuffs went on the show was over. Gerry had guided the Boston Mafia through its most profitable period, but forty-five years in prison awaited the Underboss and the Boston underworld would never be the same.Chicago Tribunehttps://bit.ly/3qvgLpqWBZ-Youtubehttps://bit.ly/3RXIjQbL.A. Timeshttps://lat.ms/3qvhresUnderboss:the Rise and Fall of A Mafia Family by Dick Lehr and Gerard O'Neilhttps://amzn.to/3eIOWXZ

The centre has a new space on Prince Street and celebrated with a grand opening yesterday.

"I'm still bullish Indonesia" declares returning podcast guest David Halpert, Founder of Prince Street Capital. A buyer of Amazon at around $8 when it pulled back in the 2000 crisis, David views Indonesia's private and publicly listed technology leaders as built-to-last, and sees longer term buying opportunities emerging amidst the ongoing correction. David is encouraged by recent messaging from the likes of Uber's CEO, demanding a "seismic shift" in thinking toward profitability. He in this vein hopes to see within Indonesia a cessation in hyper-competition amongst players such as GoTo, Grab, Bukalapak and Sea Limited. David also agrees with Y Combinator's recent advice to early stage tech companies to cut their expenses and focus on extending their runways. "Don't talk about TAM", he urges Indo founders. "Don't talk about GMV. Don't even talk about revenue...try talking about profit".

Joe Martin went from a struggling college student to creating the largest full-size beauty-box in the world. How did Joe break into the makeup industry, and what did he do to turn Boxycharm into a leading beauty company? Find out in this all-new episode of From the Founder!   ***Note from the producers: This episode was filmed in June 2021. Joe is no longer a part of Boxycham/BFA.   We cant wait to see what Joe tackles next, and you can be sure the From The Founder team will be there to update you on his journey.   Follow From The Founder on Instagram, to get additional behind the scenes footage, and information about new episodes!   Instagram: https://instagram.com/fromthefounder   ------------------------------------------------------   This episode has been sponsored by Adina's Jewels.   Growing up in NYC, Adina always had a love for fashion and accessories. During college, designing and curating jewelry quickly became her favorite hobby. From this love of jewelry, Adina founded Adina's Jewels, named after her late grandmother. As her designs started making an impact in the NYC area, she turned to her mother and brother to help make Adina's a household name. Adina's has since become known for their unique, trendy jewelry at an affordable price. You can shop Adina's online at www.adinasjewels.com or at their Soho flagship located at 68 Prince Street. You can find them on Instagram at https://instagram.com/adinas.jewels  

This is the next story about the Princess of Prince Street. Princess has been stuck inside for the past two weeks and is going a bit crazy. She can't figure out why her humans have not been going to work. Princess really wants to go out and play with her friends but decides to take a look around her house for a new place to explore. Princess sees a door to the basement open and decides, even though she knows she is not supposed to, to go down and explore. Sleep Tight!, Sheryl & Clark ❤️

Following studies in Paris, Paula Cooper (b. 1938, MA) entered the New York art world aged 21 working at the World House Galleries on the Upper East Side. In 1964 she opened the Paula Johnson Gallery, where she showed work by Walter de Maria and Bob Thompson, among others. From 1965 to 1967 Cooper served as the Director of the artist's cooperative Park Place, whose members included Mark di Suvero, Robert Grosvenor and David Novros––artists she continues to work with today. Paula Cooper opened the first art gallery in SoHo at 96-100 Prince Street in 1968 with a benefit for the Student Mobilization Committee to End the War in Vietnam, showing works by Carl Andre, Dan Flavin, Donald Judd, Robert Mangold and Robert Ryman, as well as Sol LeWitt's first wall drawing. Paula Cooper Gallery moved to Wooster Street in 1973 and then to Chelsea in 1996, and has consistently shown art that is conceptually unique and visually challenging. In addition to the artistic program, the gallery has regularly hosted concerts, music symposia, dance performances, book receptions, poetry readings, as well as art exhibitions and special events to benefit various national and community organizations. Of particular note was a series of New Year's Eve readings of Gertrude Stein's The Making of Americans and James Joyce's Finnegans Wake for twenty-five years until 2000, a ten-year series of concerts by The Chamber Music Society of Lincoln Center that began in the early 1970s, and an annual concert by the S.E.M. Ensemble that continued until 2019. Cooper was awarded an Honorary Degree of Doctor of Fine Arts from the Rhode Island School of Design (1995) and the order of Chevalier des Arts et des Lettres by the French Ministre de la Culture et de la Communication (2002) followed by the order of Officier des Arts et des Lettres (2014). In 2003 Cooper and her husband, the publisher Jack Macrae, opened the independent bookstore 192 Books. Cooper continues to run Paula Cooper Gallery. She and Zuckerman discuss the end of life, bad and good, how art revives, relationships, the New York artworld, the line between art and business, art as a language, visceral connections, celebrating messiness, art as true expression, not taking anything for granted, and the importance of encouragement!

Princess is taking Ignatious for a walk to the park, her favorite place to be. On their way they stop by a seafood restaurant, a church, and to visit a friend of Princess'. When they arrive in the park Princess points out the different places to Ignatious when they see a bunch of dogs coming over. Let's see what is going to happen. Sleep Tight!, Sheryl & Clark ❤️

On this week's Talkhouse Podcast, we've got a roundtable of old friends who are also, as it happens, all New York City legends: Cynthia Sley and Pat Place of Bush Tetras with Sonic Youth's Thurston Moore, and director Jim Jarmusch. Cynthia and Pat — vocalist and guitarist, respectively — started the “groove-centric” post-punk band Bush Tetras in 1979 with Laura Kennedy on bass and Dee Pop on drums. They broke up just a few years later, but over the decades they've reunited periodically, and are back in action now — though, sadly, without Kennedy, who died in 2011, and Dee Pop, who passed away last month after the recording of this conversation. But as Cynthia told the New York Times, “Bush Tetras is a force that cannot be stopped.” Their pioneering work lives on, archived in a new box set called Rhythm and Paranoia: The Best of Bush Tetras, which came out on Wharf Cat last week and includes three LPs and a booklet featuring essays by Moore, Jarmusch, members of The Clash and Gang of Four, and many others. Thurston Moore was a founding member of Sonic Youth. Now based in London, he performs and records solo — his latest album is last year's By The Fire. Jim Jarmusch is the director of films like Stranger Than Paradise, Down By Law, Coffee and Cigarettes, and so many more. He's also a musician, and currently performs with the avant-rock band SQÜRL. As Cynthia says at the beginning of their conversation, they have about 40 years of friendship between the four them, but this is the first time all four of them have gotten to talk together. Their decades-in-the-making conversation covers a lot, including Pat's influence on Thurston as a guitarist, Tier 3 and Mudd Club memories, and an era of New York when there were still chicken slaughterhouses on Prince Street. Enjoy. Thanks for listening to the Talkhouse Podcast, and thanks to Bush Tetras, Thurston Moore, and Jim Jarmusch for chatting. This episode was produced by Melissa Kaplan, and the Talkhouse theme is composed and performed by the Range. See you next time!

Do you like dogs? The Princess of Prince Street is a story about an intelligent, smart, beautiful dog. She lets her owners know she is smart by the things she can do. After they leave Princess heads out of the house to meet up with the gang. It has been raining and she hasn't seen them for a while. Once the gang is altogether they notice another dog nearby. Would this new dog become part of their gang? Sleep Tight!, Sheryl & Clark ❤️

Bob speaks with “The Outsider” co-director Steve Rosenbaum about his film documenting the fraught creation of the National September 11 Memorial & MuseumTEDDY ROOSEVELT: Surely there never was a fight better worth making than the one which we are in. GARFIELD: Welcome to Bully Pulpit. That was Teddy Roosevelt, I'm Bob Garfield. Episode 8: The Outsider.It has been twenty years since the bloody horrors of September 11th, 2001 scarred lower Manhattan and the American psyche. Within three years of the terror acts that claimed nearly 3,000 innocent lives, plans were underway to commemorate the fateful day and its events for posterity. The National 9/11 Memorial & Museum would be constructed on the hallowed footprint of the atrocity. A decade later, the half-billion dollar project would be opened to the public. Here was President Barack Obama at the dedication ceremony:OBAMA: A nation that stands tall and united and unafraid -- because no act of terror can match the strength or the character of our country. Like the great wall and bedrock that embrace us today, nothing can ever break us; nothing can change who we are as Americans.GARFIELD: That was perhaps a fitting tribute to a new national shrine, the memorial part of the project that must necessarily dwell in the grief, the sacrifice, the heroism that so dominate the 9/11 narrative. But what Obama left out was the museum part and its role of exploration, illumination and inquiry, such as where do those acts of terror and their bloody toll fit into the broader sweep of history, into America's story, into our understanding of human events before and since? If the dedication ceremony was appropriately a moment for communion and remembrance and resolve, surely the ongoing work of the museum would go beyond the heroism and sacrifice to the complex history and geopolitics that led to 9/11 evil.SHULAN: One of the key meta narratives of this exhibition, one of the most important things about this exhibition, is to say to people, “Use your eyes, look around you, look at the world and understand what you're seeing.” And if we don't do that with the material that we're presenting to people, then how can we give them that message? How will that message ever get through?GARFIELD: A new documentary by husband and wife filmmakers Pam Yoder and Steve Rosenbaum offers an inside view of the creation of the 9/11 Museum. It tells the story of the storytellers as they labor for a decade, collecting artifacts, designing exhibits, and editing the narratives flowing from that fateful day. And its protagonist was a relatively minor character who was propelled by internal conflict among the museum's planners into a central role in this story. The film is called “The Outsider,” available on Amazon Prime, Apple TV, Vudu, Facebook and other platforms. Steve Rosenbaum joins me now. Steve, welcome to Bully Pulpit.ROSENBAUM: I am so glad to be here, because I've always wanted to be on a bully pulpit.GARFIELD: Uh huh. Well, congratulations. You have achieved your dream, perhaps your destiny. OK, first, a whole lot of disclosure. You and I have been friends for most of our adult lives, so about 100 years, and I've been following your progress in getting this movie made for a long time. And furthermore, at more or less the last minute this summer, I stepped in to help write the narration and ended up voicing it in your movie. So I'm not exactly bringing critical distance into this conversation, but I still have a lot of questions. You ready?ROSENBAUM: I am ready indeed.GARFIELD: OK, so not only have you made a feature length movie about a process, it is a feature length movie about the process of museum curation with most of the action taking place around conference tables. So what I'm saying is Fast and Furious, it isn't.ROSENBAUM: You know, the Blue Room, which is the conference room you're referring to, was both the magical place where the magic happened and also a bit of our albatross because it is, in fact, a conference.GARFIELD: So in the end, though, you do manage to capture quite a bit of drama, quite a bit of drama, but there is no way you could have anticipated, when you got started, what would emerge over these years and -- how many hours of film?ROSENBAUM: 670. GARFIELD: Over how long a period of time?ROSENBAUM: Six and a half years.GARFIELD: How did you come to be a fly on the wall for six and a half years as they undertook this project?ROSENBAUM: So we negotiated with a then non-existent museum to trade them a very precious, valuable archive that my wife and I had lovingly gathered over many years in exchange for access to the construction, design, and development of the museum. And I think at the beginning, everyone thought it was fairly harmless. Like, what could go wrong? I mean, the museum will be fantastic and they'll record all of its fantasticalness, and that will be a film.GARFIELD: When you went in there for those six and a half years, it was purely as a matter of documentation, right? You didn't walk in with a premise or a hypothesis or a scenario or an angle, much less an agenda. But there must have been some sort of core interest, some focus when you undertook this project.ROSENBAUM: You have to remember that in the weeks after 9/11, particularly in New York, there was this extraordinary feeling of camaraderie and connectedness, both among New Yorkers and also around the world. And the sense that maybe what would come of this terrible day is some real goodness, that people would understand each other, that we'd be part of a global community. And so, we brought that, what now seems like naive optimism, to the museum. And they, at least in the early days, fueled that. I mean, they said to us, “We're going to build a different kind of museum. It's going to be open and participatory. It's going to be democratic.” And, you know, that worked for us as filmmakers. We thought a different kind of museum in a country that's gone through a terrible day and hopefully will come out of it stronger and wiser and, you know, more introspection--GARFIELD: But as of at least a year ago, you really didn't know what your film was going to be about. You didn't really have a movie scenario.ROSENBAUM: Well, you have to start with the problem that we had as a filmmaker, as filmmakers, which was a) No one gives a s**t about museums and how they're made. There's zero public interest in that. And then secondly, as it turned out, no one really gave a s**t about the museum. Nobody went to it other than tourists. Thoughtful people, historians, scholars, New Yorkers, media people didn't go there in droves. So, we're like, “How do we make a movie about a museum nobody cares about?” And in fact, the museum opened in 2014 and we spent three or four years fumfering around trying to get our arms around a movie we could make and pretty much gave up. And then Pam, my filmmaking partner and life partner and smarter person than I am, came to me one day and she said, “You know, I think there's a scene that might help.” And she came out with this little -- in her hand, this little Hi 8 tape, she handed it to me, said, “Put it in the deck.”And it was this exhibit in Soho. It was a photo exhibit, which I actually remember going to and some of your listeners may remember as well. It was called “Here is New York,” and it was literally the first crowdsourced photo exhibit in history. All of these people with little mini cameras made pictures of 9/11. And this character, a guy named Michael Shulan, who is a kind of a failed author, owned a little storefront gallery that had been essentially empty, put a picture on the window. And what exploded there was this spectacular collection of real person pictures. And so, the scene that Pam found was of this guy, who we had at that point never met -- one of our camera people had recorded him -- telling the story of why they gathered these pictures.SHULAN: We've asked basically that anyone bring us their pictures and we will display them. And to date we've probably had sixty or seventy people who've brought in pictures in the past two days.GARFIELD: So two things. One, this clip Pam found was from video you guys had shot twenty years ago for a previous movie about 9/11's aftermath called “Seven Days in September.” And you watch it and you're like, “Holy hell, that's Michael.” He is one of the guys who wound up on the museum planning staff, and you have been filming for six and a half years.ROSENBAUM: You know, we have 500 hours of the day of 9/11 and 670 hours shot at the museum construction. It is the definition, the filmmaking definition, of a needle in a haystack. We literally didn't know we had the Shulan scene until Pam magically pulled it out of -- the rabbit out of the hat. And Shulan was one of the five people we had chosen to follow for all six and a half years. And so, the combination of that -- and “Here is New York” is a wonderful kind of mile marker for where the film began because Michael talks about democracy and openness and sharing and letting people kind of find their own story in the photos. And that's exactly what the museum began as.GARFIELD: You say it was a needle in a haystack, finding this film of one of your characters surface. It was also very serendipitous because Shulan, who had the title of museum creative director and who is the “outsider” of the title -- of your title -- is not a professional museum executive or even a professional curator. He had this storefront where he crowdsourced this enormous collection of, you know, amateur images of the day and its aftermath.SHULAN: I live in this little building on Prince Street in Soho, which was inside of the World Trade Center. On the storefront of the empty shop, someone had taped up a copy of the 9/11 morning's newspaper and people were touching this thing and seeming to take some solace in this. And I suddenly remembered I had an old picture of the World Trade Center. So I ran upstairs and I got this picture and I taped it up. And as the day wore on, I noticed that people now came by and were starting to take pictures of the picture. And that was how the whole thing started.GARFIELD: And he was kind of thrust by events into the spotlight, which is how he got hired by the museum to begin with, right?ROSENBAUM: That's exactly correct. But I don't want to, you know, sell him short. I mean, he's quite brilliant in the way that lots of thoughtful New Yorkers are about images and sound and picture. He's just not a museum person in that he doesn't play by the rules. And I think it's important to foreshadow that because, you know, nobody who hired him could have had any confusion about what his behavior was going to be. I mean, he wore his heart on his sleeve.SHULAN: 9/11 was about seeing. 9/11 was about understanding that the world was a different place than you thought it was. It didn't start on the morning of 9/11. It started twenty or thirty or forty or fifty years before that, and we didn't see it.GARFIELD: You know, I've seen this movie now a number of times. He is clearly, as you say, a smart and interesting guy. He is a very thoughtful guy. He is a man of principle. What he isn't exactly, is a charmer.SPEAKER: Robert--SHULAN: Do you understand what I'm saying? Do you care what this project looks like?SPEAKER: Michael, I care very much what this project looks like, but we are in a process that makes decisions and moves forward.SHULAN: But the process makes the decision. You made a check, but is it the right decision?ROSENBAUM: No, he's abrasive. But, you know, I'm personally very fond of him, both as a character and as a human being, because I don't think 9/11 needs lots of people patting it on the head and telling it how heroic that day is. I think we need more of him, not less of him.GARFIELD: And this will ultimately coalesce into the thematic basis of the film, because Shulan was not only abrasive, but he's a man with a point of view. And his point of view was very specific. He believed that a museum documenting 9/11 should not be pedantic and definitive, it should be open ended and inquiring -- well, I'll let him say it:SHULAN: One of the conditions I laid down both explicitly to Alice and to myself when I took the job was that if we were going to make this museum, that we had to tell the history of what actually happened.GARFIELD: Which is not categorically a bad way of approaching museum curation, is it?ROSENBAUM: No. In fact, if you think about your journeys to museums and the ones that you remember, if you've ever gone to one -- I mean, you know, if you go to the Met or to MoMA or the Whitney, there'll be some art in those museums that you like very much and there'll be some other art that you'll look at and go, “Why in God's name did anybody put this thing in this building?” And museum curators don't do that accidentally. They want to challenge your comfort zone. They want to show you things you may not like, and then they want you to think about why you don't like them. So, I don't think museums succeed by being simplistic or pedantic.GARFIELD: Well, as we shall see, there were those who wished not to have this sacred space marred by uncomfortable questions. So you got this guy as your protagonist, a not particularly warm and fuzzy one. And from a dramatic perspective, I guess, the story requires a villain or at least a foil, someone whose philosophy of museuming is very different from Shulan's, providing you the conflict you need as a storyteller, right? And that role fell to the museum's big boss, the CEO, Alice Greenwald.GREENWALD: The politics are the terrain we're in. And it's the, you know -- the World Trade Center has always been a complicated site. You know, it's a bi-state agency that operates, you know, an entity that, an authority that deals with transportation, but it's also building commercial buildings and, you know, a transportation center. It's going to be complicated. It's just going to be complicated.ROSENBAUM: So, Alice is charming. She's warm. She's approachable. She answers questions. She doesn't get caught up in her knitting. And from the day that we met, you know, I remember this conversation like it was yesterday. I said to her, “You're going to be the magnetic north of this story. All people on the planet that want to come and explore it are going to come here.” And she said, “We understand that. We understand that's our responsibility.”GARFIELD: And yet, she is also clearly not as keen as Shulan is in exploring, let's just say, the geopolitical nuance of 9/11. And this has something to do with curatorial philosophy, but it also has to do with this museum being both a memorial and a museum and there being a lot of stakeholders, including the families of the 2,900 plus victims of the attacks. She was politically in an awkward position because there was no way that whatever decision she made, that everybody was going to be delighted.ROSENBAUM: Well, let's go back just half a step. She came from the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C. So that was the bulk of her career and that was her experience. And so, you know, she's used to demanding stakeholders and people who want the story told a certain way. But the Holocaust Museum is also quite open, and in fact, allows lots of different points of views, some of which they find abhorrent. And so, I don't think she -- I don't think she brought to the museum any sense of shutting down debate or dialogue. I think that happened in an evolutionary process over time.GARFIELD: But as we see the design and construction and planning and curatorial decisions play out, there did seem to be -- you know, I hesitate to use the word whitewash, but it was there seemed to be no great effort to do what Shulan wanted, which is to ask difficult questions, even if you could not come up with a definitive answer. When did it become clear to you as a filmmaker looking at the footage that you had found the conflict that I previously described?ROSENBAUM: So, you said it exactly right. I mean, you know, people say to me, “Well, you know, did you know when you were at the museum, there was a change? Did you feel like it was shift--?” The answer is no, we didn't. And it wasn't until Pam handed me that first tape and we then took the 14 hours of Michael Shulan and laid it out end to end and watched it, that you could feel the tone changing and his kind of quizzical nature become more frustrated and then more angry by about year three. And one of the things I think that's important to remember here is there were some things that Alice was facing that are now lost in history a little bit. So, you know, they began construction in 2005, 2006. By 2008, Wall Street had collapsed. And all these people that had committed donations to build this thing took their money back. And the mayor of the city of New York, who is also the museum's chairman at that point, was Michael Bloomberg. And, you know, Michael's got no shortage of cash, but I don't think there was ever an intention that this museum was going to be a perennial money suck for him or other donors. And so, part of the drumbeat that you start to feel is, “How do we make this private museum” -- not a public museum -- “without government funding, something that people will come and buy a ticket for?” And that's, I think, where some of the rub was.GARFIELD: A twenty three dollar ticket, if I recall correctly.ROSENBAUM: They raised the price. It's now twenty six.GARFIELD: So at that point, you know, apart from any political or philosophical considerations, there becomes the problem of needing, in order to meet expenses, to have not just a shrine and not just a museum, but an attraction which changes the calculus altogether. And what you were able to do when you were combing through your footage was find some pretty upsetting scenes of museum staff trying to figure out what would make the customers react.ROSENBAUM: Yes, there was definitely a series of debates about what would be impactful. And they were always careful to never say immersive. But there definitely became a bit of a schism on the team between people that wanted the museum to be welcoming and complicated and people who wanted the museum to be intense and dramatic. And there are some good examples of that, in particular, some particular scenes that I think the museum wasn't happy to see recorded. But, you know, we had them on tape.SPEAKER 1: Do you have any interest in developing ties? You can do whatever you want on it.SPEAKER 2: I think a tie is a really — you know what's nice to give away is a tie and a scarf.NEWS REPORTER: Just days away from the public opening of the 9/11 Memorial Museum, there's growing criticism of high admission fees. Twenty four dollars to get in and the sale of souvenirs at the gift shop. SPEAKER 3: I think it's a revenue generating tourist attraction. NEWS REPORTER: Jim Riches shares the same sentiment shown in this New York Post headline titled “Little Shop of Horror.” ROSENBAUM: But I also think it's important for your audience to understand people don't want to re-experience 9/11. Certainly New Yorkers don't, and probably Americans as a class.GARFIELD: There was the question, and this was a word you ended up not using in your film, of whether you going through that footage were witnessing the “Disneyfication” of the 9/11 Memorial & Museum, yet you ended up pulling that punch up. Why? ROSENBAUM: It made people so staggeringly angry that -- I mean, I don't think it was inaccurate or untrue. It was just we were picking our battles a little bit at that point with the museum and like, they -- because we didn't have any of our characters raising the word “Disneyfication,” although we'd heard it, we decided it was harder to defend than some other challenges that we made that were on tape.GARFIELD: You got a lot of good press for this film, but you also ran into a couple of buzzsaws, notably The New York Times Review, which was pretty scathing. And, although the critic was kind enough to single out my performance as a narrator -- what word did he use?ROSENBAUM: I believe the word was “amateurish.”GARFIELD: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that was unfortunately true because I did it for nothing. But his central complaint is why you and Pam, as filmmakers, would privilege the creative vision of this novice outsider, Shulan, over the consensus of the team and the museum that they together crafted. Why did you, in the end, apart for reasons of just dramatic conflict, focus on Shulan?ROSENBAUM: Well, let me answer that question. So a couple of things: in the review, his criticism is that we're somehow promoting Shulan's career as a museum curator. And, you know, I watched the film not objectively, but I don't think anyone's going to be hiring Michael as a result of this. I also don't think that that was his intention or ours. I think, you know, what we liked was that Michael said, “Let's make a museum that's open and democratic.” And that that was the same thing Alice told us on day one. And then, as we slipped away from that, we slipped to an institution that felt to us heavy-handed and pedantic. And so, you know, Michael certainly represents a point of view that the filmmakers share about the museum. But I also think that, you know, the questions he raised about the museum, he's not alone. I mean, Tom Hennes, who's the head of Exhibits, feels very much the same way. And, you know, Philip Kennicott from The Washington Post feels very much the same way. And the head architecture critic from The New York Times, oddly, feels very much the same way. But it wasn't meant to put Shulan on any kind of a pedestal. It was simply that he was a really good lens through which to focus the question.GARFIELD: Speaking of Michael Kimmelman, the architecture critic at The Times, you have some tape of him commenting on a sign that is erected, you know, in the plaza area of the museum, the above ground portion of the museum. Most of the exhibit space is below ground, which was jaw dropping for him and for, I think, any viewer of the film.KIMMELMAN: The list of don'ts on the site is astonishing. You can't sing, much less stage a protest or a demonstration. And I think that does raise some very profound questions. You know, I have to keep coming back to say, I think the ability of New York, and by extension, America, to return again to life and return this place to life would have been a very remarkable and powerful statement.GARFIELD: If one bookmark of the movie was Michael Shulan, at his open source photo exhibit in Soho, this was the other bookend: the opposite of open source democratic anything, this closing down of protest or comment or debate on this site. I mean, it's not to be believed.ROSENBAUM: You have to think about where it sits in the arc of the last twenty years in American history. I mean, you know, you got the Patriot Act, you got renditions, you've got drone strikes, you've got police being heavily armored and turning into military units. The museum's fear of terrorism was the reason why they controlled the site so closely, but it also was part of this larger shift over the last twenty years toward a nationalistic heavy-handed kind of militaristic control. And I don't think that they were out on their own when they were limiting the fact that you couldn't sing or, you know, bring a guitar or read a piece of poetry on the site. I also think, by the way, it's worth remembering that the site is private property. So there's really nowhere else in New York -- I mean, if I want to go to Central Park and read a poem, no one, no cop is going to come up and say, “I'm sorry, sir, no poetry reading here.” The only place where that's going to happen is at the September 11th Museum.GARFIELD: Now, let me ask you this final thing. You have documented what I think could be characterized as the denaturing of the 9/11 Museum, the slowly evolving whitewashing of what we described in the very beginning of this thing, which was the search for meaning in the events of that day twenty years ago. As a museum goer, will I come away with the sense that something is being withheld, or does what they have come up with provide the raw material I need as a member of the society and a citizen to ask these questions myself?ROSENBAUM: You know, I've come to be able to answer that question after a couple of months of talking to other people. I think the best answer is, you know, that they're in a really tough box at this point because the thing about, you know, Afghanistan is it's not going to go away and it will be the bookend on this twenty years that will raise questions about, “Wait a minute, is the museum not going to talk about Afghanistan and the war, the twenty year failed -- our failed war in Afghanistan?” Well, of course they have to. And then the question is, what about the twenty years between the “never forget moment” that they hit like a drum beat and now? Because lots of things happened. And theoretically, at some point, the material about Saudi Arabia that has been hidden by the government will make its way into the light and then that will raise questions about, “Oh wait, who did 9/11?” So, when you really look at what the museum has chosen to put on a pedestal, it's essentially those two towers and they're falling down and all of the horrible human pain and suffering that comes from that. But I'm not sure that counts as the appropriate historic take on that day.GARFIELD: Steve, I want to thank you very much for doing this. I'm sorry Pam couldn't join us, but thank her for me as well. And I wish you all best of luck with the film.ROSENBAUM: We love people to watch it and send us, you know, notes, criticism, feedback. We think it's the beginning of a conversation, not the end.GARFIELD: Just as Michael Shulan would have preferred. Steve, thank you. ROSENBAUM: Thanks. GARFIELD: Steve Rosenbaum with his wife, Pam Yoder, directed the new documentary “The Outsider,” available now on Apple TV, Prime Video, Vudu, Xbox, Facebook, and other digital platforms. All right, we're done here. We encourage you to become a paid subscriber to Booksmart Studios so you can get extra content, including my weekly text column from Bully Pulpit, Lexicon Valley and Banished. Meantime, do please review Bully Pulpit on iTunes. Amid a cacophonous glut of podcasts, we depend on you to bring news of us to the world. We are trying to bring unapologetic scrutiny to the world of ideas and we cannot do that without you. Thanks in advance. Bully Pulpit is produced by Mike Vuolo and Matthew Schwartz. Our theme was composed by Julie Miller and the team at Harvest Creative Services in Lansing, Michigan. Bully Pulpit is a production of Booksmart Studios. I'm Bob Garfield. Get full access to Bully Pulpit at bullypulpit.substack.com/subscribe

"As the San Francisco Bay Area experienced its rapid changes as the population exploded. And in some ways, even as a diversity in the bay area exploded the folks who you didn't see, in those new faces, those new careers, those new ways of being where black and brown folks, particularly legacy and long time black and brown Oaklanders"-Noni SessionsIn this episode our featured voice is the Executive Director of the East Bay, Permanent Real Estate Cooperative Noni Session. We wanted to host the east bay permanent real estate cooperative on the show because they have developed a unique grass roots model to address some of the systemic housing and community issues that have faced our communities for over the last 50 plus years. To find out more about the east bay permanent real estate cooperative programs as well as getting engaged as an investor and volunteer please go to EBPREC dot orgTo find out more about other nonprofits supporting our artists, low-income community members with unique housing models, please listen back to our interview with Kathryn Reasoner and Ian Winters from Vital Arts and Northern California Land Trust in episode 70We really want to hear from you in our short listener survey. Please provide us your feedback and insightsPlease consider donating to Voices of the Community - Voices of the Community is now fiscally sponsored by Intersection for the Arts, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization, which allows us to offer you tax deductions for your contributions. Please consider making a donation to help us provide future shows just like this one.

On January 17th, 1950, Boston saw the one of the biggest robberies in U.S. history when nearly $3 million was stolen from the Brinks building on Prince Street. What seemed like a perfect crime had police baffled for almost six years as they chased down suspects and worked off very little evidence. Until one of the robbers finally confessed to the FBI. But what made him finally talk? You can find me on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter. And check out my blog and sources on my website. Thanks for listening! --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/wicked-crime/support

Back to my favorite world of pizza! Thankfully it's in a new Miami, which is no longer a pizza dessert! Cupping pepperoni is making an appearance in Oasis Wynwood at Prince Street Pizza and I had to go check it out. Here's my experience.

Musiche di Syon (Thomas Nicosia) Prelude in EmIl capo dell'agenzia di New York dei servizi segreti, William Flynn aveva espressamente affermato che il miglior modo per procedere era quello di continuare a tenere sott'occhio la macelleria e gli uomini della banda di Giuseppe Morello che la frequentavano. Del resto i malavitosi non sapevano di essere sotto osservazione e quindi si sarebbero potuti acquisire ulteriori elementi in merito al caso dell'omicidio del barile. Nonostante questi consigli la polizia, con a capo l'ispettore McClusky, decise di arrestare tutti i componenti della banda m Nei dettagli degli uomini arrestati erano:Giuseppe Morello - 34 , Elizabeth StreetTommaso Petto - 34 , di 238 Elizabeth StreetJoseph Fanaro - 24 , commerciante di 25 Rivington StreetAntonio 'Messina' 38 , importatore di 514 Est 15 ° stradaLorenzo LoBido - 42 , commerciante di 308 Mott StreetVito LoBido- 24 , operaio di 308 Mott StreetDomenico Pecoraro 53, contadino di 189 Chrystie StreetPietro Inzerillo - 44 , pasticcere di 23 Prince Street. orello.Diventa un supporter di questo podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/storia-della-mafia-americana--4689841/support.

Veteran emerging markets fund manager David Halpert, Founder of Prince Street Capital, reflects on his history of deep involvement in Indonesia, including key early investments in national champions such as Gojek. Indonesia is a key component of Prince Street's unique "digital decolonization" strategy, which David describes in detail. He also discusses important tech-related initiatives such as the ongoing attempt to create a fully integrated electric battery/EV manufacturing chain in Indo.(Transkrip Bahasa Indonesia di sini)

Musiche di Syon (Thomas Nicosia) Prelude in EmCiro Terranova nacque nel luglio 1888 a Corleone, in Sicilia. Fratellastro di Giuseppe Morello. Nel 1893 Ciro si trasferisce a New York con, la madre, quattro sorelle, e i fratelli Vincenzo e Nicolò dove si riunì con il fratellastro Giuseppe Morello, lì immigrato sei mesi prima. Giunti nelle metropoli i fratelli Ciro e Vincent iniziarono a frequentare la scuola e inoltre collaborarono il padre nell'attività di stuccatore nei fine settimana e la sera. Ciro inoltre lavorò come cameriere nel ristorante gestito dal fratellastro Giuseppe Morello, ubicato su Prince Street. Nel 1910, il fratellastro Giuseppe Morello e Ignazio Lupo furono entrambi arrestati e associati al penitenziario federale di Atlanta con l'accusa di falsificazione di dollari. Pertanto Ciro, Vincent e Nick presero in mano le sorti della famiglia mafiosa Morello e ben presto si imposero nel quartiere di Harlem. Ciro iniziò l'attività di commercio all'ingrosso di carciofi tanto da guadagnarsi il soprannome di “Re dei carciofi". Si trattava di un vero e proprio Racket. Infatti egli acquistava gli ortaggi dalla California e li rivendeva a New York con un maggiorazione che andava dal 30-40%. I commercianti al dettaglio, a causa delle minacce e all'imposizione mafiosa esercitata da Ciro e dalla sua banda, non potevano rifiutarsi di comprare i carciofi da lui e al prezzo che il mafioso stabiliva. Nel 1910 il fratellastro Giuseppe Morello e Ignazio Lupo furono incarcerati nella prigione federale di Atlanta con l'accusa di contraffazione, Ciro, Vincent e Nick riempirono il vuoto di potere. Ben presto divennero i più importanti mafiosi della parte italiana del quartiere di Harlem, alla guida della famiglia Morello. Lucky Luciano incaricò Michael "Trigger Mike" Coppola di annientare Terranova, lasciandogli solo il racket dei carciofi come unica fonte di guadagno legittima. Fu il sindaco di New York Fiorello La Guardia a metterlo in ginocchio. Il 21 dicembre 1935 il sindaco si recò al Bronx Terminal Market e vietò la vendita, l'esposizione e il possesso di carciofi. Nel 1937 Ciro era completamente rovinato tanto che viveva di prestiti e per tale ragione perse la casa. Morì al Columbus Hospital per un ictus il 20 febbraio del 1938, e fu di fatto l'unico dei fratelli Terranova a morire sul proprio letto.Diventa un supporter di questo podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/storia-della-mafia-americana--4689841/support.

Today my guest is Joe Rosenthal.He joins us from Minnesota. Joe is the man behind https://www.richardeaglespoon.com/The philosophy behind his website is to inspire people to be less stressed about cooking, and at the same time, empower them to make better food.Today we’re discussing Prince Street Pizza which is both a NY and LA based pizzeria.They’re at the center of an Instagram post that Joe created, which is titled “Restaurateurs on Social Being Racist.”The pizzeria is accused of some highly racist behavior. You can find the post here: https://www.instagram.com/joe_rosenthal/

Touristen in #NewYork erkennt man daran, dass sie immer nach oben gucken. Kein Wunder! Diese Stadt ist so beeindruckend mit den riesigen Hochhäusern. Katrin und Jasmin waren insgesamt 5 Mal in der Stadt, die niemals schläft. Alles, was #NewYorkCity zu bieten hat, kann man sicher auch in 10 Besuchen niemals sehen, aber wir haben euch mal eine Liste zusammengestellt, was ihr unbedingt beim ersten New York – Besuch sehen müsst und was ihr euch für den zweiten oder dritten Besuch aufheben könnt, wenn ihr die ganzen Highlights schon “abgearbeitet” (und eure Füße aufgearbeitet

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Richard Haas, New York based artist, discusses his work on the façade of 112 Prince Street, notable for the painting of a cat in the upper window.

The Mysterious Disappearance Of Etan PatzEtan PatzDo you remember the name Etan Patz…… Well on May 25th 1979, 6 year old Etan disappeared.It was the Friday before the  Memorial Day Weekend, the ground was wet from earlier rain and Etan was eager to walk the two blocks from his home at 113 Prince Street, to the intersection of West Broadway and Prince street in lower Manhattan, to board his school bus to Public School PS3 at 490 Hudson street. But Etan... never made it to school that day. It was the first day that he walked by himself to the busstop and the last day he was seen alive.  His mother Julie recalled how independent Etan was, and how he wanted to walk to the bus stop by himself. She initially objected but subsequently gave in. “I’ll be ok” were some of the last words she heard her son say. She walked him to the door and watched him leave the nest. She remembers him wearing an Eastern Airlines cap, blue jeans and blue jacket. Etan had a dollar in his pocket that was given to him by a neighbourhood handyman when he visited his workshop. Etan had planned to use his dollar to purchase a soda from the Bodega on the way to the bus stop which was only two blocks away. He went out into the world with hope in his eyes, money in his pocket and a bright future ahead of him. Little did he know.. that that rainy day in May would lead to a mayday distress call that would be heard across the nation and catalyze The Missing Children Movement.  When Etan didn't come home that evening his mother called everywhere his school, his friends but no one saw him. He never showed up for  school and his friends never saw him on the bus.  Julie then called  police and made a missing persons report and that night the search for Etan began. But Etan was never found  and while a man confessed and was convicted for his murder, police was unable to find any physical evidence to corroborate the case. And even thought he was pronounced dead in absentia. The fact that his body was never found has left the door open for some to say that he may not be dead. Etan was the middle child he has an older sister and a younger brother  The SOHO Neighbourhood Etan Patz lived With his Mother and father, older sister and younger brother in the SoHo neighbourhood of lower manhattan. For the uninitiated SoHo is an acronym for South of Houston street a name that was coined by famous developer chester rapkin in 1962Today SOHO is known for its boutique shops, Art Galleries and loft apartments, home to famous people like Dakota Fanning, Alicia Keys, Daniel Craig, John Legend, Justin Timberlake and Samuel L. JacksonHowever in the 1970s it was a much rougher neighbourhood.New York city on a whole looked very different then, than it does now. A Financial Crisis had sickened the city, one that many thought the city could never recover from. There was a massive exodus to the suburbs, high unemployment rates, muggings on the subway Prostitutes and pimps frequenting Times Square, Central Park was  feared for muggings and rape. Homeless persons and drug dealers occupied boarded-up and abandoned buildings.  The NYPD was the subject of an investigation on widespread corruption. A Pamphlet was released by the council of public safety ( Made up of Police, firefighters and other unions) called “Welcome to Fear City” Which featured a prominent skull on the cover.  The pamphlet warned tourists to not:Come outside after 6 pmNot leave midtownTo call your cab before you leave your hotelNever Ride the SubwayDon't leave property in the hotel safe.If you were a tourist coming to new york and saw that pamphlet you would definitely turn back.So try to imagine what Etan Patz’s neighbourhood looked like back then. Boarded up buildings, dark alleys, no surveillance cameras, no mobile phones , many of the things we enjoy today just weren't available then. When Etan Patz left his house  at 113 Prince Street He would have had to walk two blocks to get to the bodega on the corner of West Broadway and Prince. Once at the corner he supposedly entered the bodega where he planned to purchase a soda. The individual who was convicted of his murder worked at the same bodega. In his confession he claimed that he lured 6 year old Etan into the basement of the bodega and strangled him. Bodega The bodega was located at 448 west broadway but has since been long gone and the business that currently occupies the space is a socks retailer. In the days after the disappearance the police interviewed the workers of the bodega. Records show that the store manager Juan Santana was interviewed, the names of two other workers Rachael DaVilla and Pedro Hernandez were noted but nothing in depth. It's relevant to note that the bust stop was just in front of the bodega. When the case was reopened the police received a tip that Pedro Hernandez may have abducted and killed Etan Patz. Pedro Hernandez confessed stating that he lured Etan to the basement by offering a soda. He added that after strangling him to death he placed him in a trash bag and then inside a cardboard box. Then he dumped the body in another location. But if that were the case Etans friends and other parents would have seen him at the bus stop that morning before or while he was being lured to the basement.In his confession Hernandez also mentioned that there were other people in the basement with him. Who were these other people and what were they doing there? SuspectsThroughout the case there were three major suspects in the disappearance of Etan Patz. In 1979 the detectives in the case suspected that the perpetrator was John Ramos, a drifter  who lived in a storm drain in the community. Ramos was a known child molester who even admitted that on the same day that Etan disappeared he molested a boy in Washington Square Park that fit the description of Etan. He claimed however that he placed the child on  the subway after he molested him. Ramos had a connection with Etan through a woman named Susan Harrington who used to walk Etan home from the bus stop. It was suspected that Ramos had a relationship with Harrington and even  admitted to  molesting her son who later committed suicide.The prosecutors were unable to bring charges against Ramos because they say the evidence wasn't enough for them to build a criminal case against him. However the Patz did bring a civil case against him which they won and was awarded damages to the tune of 2 million dollars, money they were never paid. The case went cold until investigators received information that a Carpenter Othniel Miller who had a workshop at 127B Prince street  near where Etan lived might be involved. Miller was seen with Patz the night before his disappearance and his shop was along the route that Etan would take to his bus stop. Investigators became suspicious after reports filed by his ex-wife that Miller molested his niece and that he poured new concrete in the basement soon after Etan disappeared. His basement was dug up in 2012, however no evidence of a body of remains were found. Then the investigators received another  lead in the case when the brother inlaw of Pedro Hernandez reported that Hernandez had confessed to numerous people that he had hurt a boy in New York. He was tried and a mistrial was declared because the jurors could not come to a unanimous decision. The case was later retried and Hernandez was found guilty and sentenced to serve 25 years to life. SchoolEtans school was a five minute car ride from his bus stop on west broadway. When Etans mother called the school they reported that he never  showed up to school that day. But at least eight hours had already elapsed since he was last seen. If the parents were notified when attendance was taken, they might have had a much better chance of finding Etan alive. Today many parents and guardians receive an automated message when their child is missing from school Child Abduction According to the national center of missing and exploited children approximately 800,000 children are reported missing every year. The Etan Patz case placed a spotlight on missing and abused children in the United States. In the 1980s he was one of the first faces to appear on milk cartons seeking the public’s assistance in locating missing children. Though Etan was never found, the awareness that his abduction started has helped many children around the country. 

The Chanel of downtown streetwear. —Business of Fashion When James Jebbia arrived in New York from London in 1983 he had, in his own words, “no training in anything and no loot.” He applied for a job at a Soho boutique called Parachute and, lucky for us, he was hired. Jebbia spent five years at the store learning about retail, but like most of us blessed with the entrepreneurial spirit, he eventually started to feel stuck and wanted to work for himself. So he began his own venture, a flea market on Wooster Street, with his then-girlfriend, Maryann. Around the same time, Jebbia began going back to London regularly. It was on these trips that he was inspired by the “cool and unusual things for young people” at smaller stores like Duffer of St. George and Bond. He recognized that no one was offering that type of thing in New York, so in 1989 he decided to open a shop, Union, featuring English brands that were hard to get in the U.S. He also carried an upstart brand from the West Coast, Stussy, that exploded in popularity and changed everything for Union. When Union got a shipment of Stussy it would sell out instantly, so Union basically transformed into almost a full-on Stussy shop. Through this success, Jebbia befriended the brand's founder, Shawn Stussy, and they decided to open a Stussy-branded store on Prince Street in 1991. The store saw its own share of success, but soon after its opening, Shawn became disillusioned with the direction of his brand, resigned, and decided to sell his shares in the company. With the future of Stussy unclear, James Jebbia decided to break out on his own once again. He found a vacant storefront with cheap rent on Lafayette Street—then a neglected part of town— and decided to open a store selling what he referred to as “skater stuff.” He called the new store Supreme. Why did he open a skate store? Well, for years he'd been going to fashion industry trade shows like A.S.R. and Magic, and the only thing that excited him there was the skate stuff, which he described as “powerful and raw.” He didn't know of any good skate shops left in the city, so he thought that could be a good direction. Jebbia was also personally into the skater graphic decks, tees, and sweats, so he decided to make that the center of his merchandising. What he didn't know at the time was that the stuff he found so personally appealing would become his brand. While Jebbia may not have written a business plan or had grand aspirations, he did have a very clear vision for what he wanted his store to be: “It needed to be an authentic skate shop that hardcore skaters would appreciate, but just as importantly a shop that people who didn't skate would be intrigued by. And that's pretty much how it went down.” Jebbia knew what he didn't know, and in this case he knew he wasn't a skater, so his first and most important hire was Gio Estevez. It was Gio who hired most of the team at Supreme, and he brought in people he knew and trusted: his fellow skaters. Gio's team legitimized Supreme, and from the first day the store was swarmed by the New York skate community, generating immediate and genuine authenticity. The store's layout helped, with an open central space allowing skaters to enter on their boards. Sales started off slow, with Supreme acting more as a hang-out for skaters than a retail shop. Had Jebbia been shortsighted, he might have killed that vibe, but instead he embraced it because he knew having the skater community would lead to everyone else becom- ing customers as well. He was humble and smart enough to let his team and core group of skaters take center stage. This fostered the brand's organic growth and enabled him to stay behind the scenes and focus on what he was best at: curating great product (or, as he says, finding “good stuff to sell”). 

On the evening of January 17th 1950 at around 6:55pm a group of 7 men wearing Navy pea coats, chauffeur's caps, and rubber Halloween masks, entered the Brinks headquarters, at 165 Prince Street in Boston’s Historic North End. While inside, they gagged and tied up workers and proceeded to rob nearly 2 million in cash, securities and checks, which in today’s money would be around 29 million. This infamous heist and its aftermath is still talked about til this day and continues to fascinate the public. This show we’ll be discussing, The Crime of The Century with Author, Stephanie Schorow!! LEAVE US A REVIEW!! Follow on Twitter: @mikedistasio Facebook: Reel Talk w/ The Hollywood Kid Instagram: reetallwiththehollywoodkid

On the evening of January 17th 1950 at around 6:55pm a group of 7 men wearing Navy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pea_coat (pea coats), chauffeur's caps, and rubber Halloween masks, entered the Brinks headquarters, at 165 Prince Street in Boston’s Historic North End. While inside, they gagged and tied up workers and proceeded to rob nearly 2 million in cash, securities and checks, which in today’s money would be around 29 million. This infamous heist and its aftermath is still talked about til this day and continues to fascinate the public. On this weeks show we’ll be talking about The Brinks Heist with, Stephanie Schorow, Author of: Crime of The Century: How the Brinks Robbers Stole Millions and the Hearts of Boston. SUBSCRIBE to our YOUTUBE CHANNEL! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCw4fcgG7ODeiEbR7HDUZl3A

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Episode 18 - Monctonian II (Guest - Tim Boyce)Sponsored by "Brew Beans Coffee" 570 Prince Street in Truro, Nova ScotiaVisit them online - www.brewbeanscoffee.comProduced by Firm Foundation Media - Contact us for Sponsorship & Advertising OpportunitiesThe Halifax McDonald's, or "The Macs" are a Major Midget hockey club based in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada.Follow the Macs all season right here on the "McWrap Up"!

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Sonja Livingston returns to talk about The Virgin of Prince Street: Expeditions into Devotion (University of Nebraska Press, 2019). Thanks to Bay Path's MFA in Creative Nonfiction for the support and to Riverteeth for the promotional support. Keep the conversation going on Twitter and Instagram @cnfpod. 

EP191 - UNTUCKit Chief Digital Officer Lockie Andrews Lockie Andrews is the Chief Digital Officer of UNTUCKit (@untuckit).  In this broad-ranging interview, we discuss UNTUCKit origin, Omni-Channel strategy, customer acquisition, Amazon, and challenges and opportunities of scaling a direct to consumer business. Don't forget to like our facebook page, and if you enjoyed this episode please write us a review on itunes. Episode 191 of the Jason & Scot show was recorded on Wednesday, August 21st, 2019. live from the eTail East trade show in Boston, MA. http://jasonandscot.com Join your hosts Jason "Retailgeek" Goldberg, Chief Commerce Strategy Officer at Publicis, and Scot Wingo, CEO of GetSpiffy and Co-Founder of ChannelAdvisor as they discuss the latest news and trends in the world of e-commerce and digital shopper marketing. Automated Transcription of the show Transcript Jason: [0:24] Welcome to the Jason and Scott show this episode is being recorded live from the etail East trade show in Boston on Wednesday August 21st 2019 I'm your host Jason retailgeek Goldberg and unfortunately Scott was unable to join us today so you're getting twice the Jason for half the usual cost and if that weren't a great enough deal I'm sweetening the pot by asking a request to be on the show today so this morning were talking to aqui Andrews who's the chief digital officer untuckit welcome to the show lucky. Lockie: [0:59] Thanks for having me. Jason: [1:00] I am super excited to have you for listeners that may not have experienced the life-changing, advantage of owning an untuckit shirts can you give us the to the Reader's Digest on who you guys are. Lockie: [1:16] Absolutely thank you again for having me and it's super exciting to be here to talk about until, untuckit was started by Chris Rock a Bono and Erin San Andres they're still actively involved in the business which is amazing and they had a simple idea of creating the perfect untuckit shirt as some of you may not realize it but the traditional shirt is not meant to be worn untucked and it actually looks a bit sloppy so they had the great idea to design a shirt that would make men feel and look sharp even at their most casual. Jason: [1:48] I feel like that was a great Insight were they in the apparel business and so this was like a new thing or or did they have that insight as a user and have to figure out how to get into the apparel business. Lockie: [2:01] Totally as a user and they were not in the apparel business but notice that now traditional shirts are just designed to have longer Tails so by having the bright idea to actually design something that didn't exist at the time they took it upon themselves to design at shirt and it took them several years to prove but now we're in a movement wear untucked shirts are a real thing and we're excited about it. Jason: [2:25] Yeah I know I definitely think that a real thing I feel so I work at a big digital agency and there's there's kind of this up for the men there's kind of fishes uniform which is like jeans and a sport coat and I I feel like we're right at the Tipping Point where you're it's possible to show up at a client meeting she's me in an untucked shirt, and so now it's it's like a little boy that's my question to my like account manager before I go visit a client like at his talk to her on top. Lockie: [2:59] Yeah and it's it's been going on and it's been a good Tailwind for us when they started the brand they actually didn't think that it would be a brand that would extend past now the Millennials The Pool Guys in the off, but what we find is with the casualisation of America and general, and the fact that body shame so our average age is actually 2260 which was really surprising but part of it is your body changes and we designed shirts for all bodies which is something that the traditional apparel industry had not thought of. Jason: [3:29] Awesome well I'm glad it's going well I want to dig into your business a little bit but before we do how did you come to untuckit. Lockie: [3:38] Yeah I bet. Actually a client so I have a consultancy that focuses on digital transformation and I've been working in the industry for 15 years as untuckit and and the great Founders had their insights they built the business, I haven't necessarily invested in technology and they're now at a point and have the size and the with VC backing, that in an effort to make sure we become the billion-dollar unicorn that we want to be at we needed to invest in technology so I started out in a Consulting role and really love the brand love the people love the culture and the inclusive mentality that they had and at the start of the year they asked me to be Chief digital officer so I except. Jason: [4:19] Wow that so that puts a whole new stress on the invite you had to get them before you took the gig that you're like. Lockie: [4:27] Yo absolutely. Jason: [4:28] Wait a minute if I take this job like I'm have to see that advice through which is the secret of the Consulting industry is that we usually don't. Lockie: [4:36] Exactly yeah and then because I had my background is mostly in networking with venture capital or private equity-backed brands, I'm always held to Tasca those relationships run long when you're working with a peer Avicii fun so from time to time I actually have to implement I've got to eat my own words so to speak so if I make the recommendations sometimes I have to actually come in and implement it so this is Ben, perfect segue into untuckit. Jason: [5:01] That that is terrific so you were on a piano lady till yesterday and if you like your panel title had a little bit of attitude. So the first half seem like super conventional omni-channel is table Stakes but then you you throw in the what are you serving. Lockie: [5:18] Yeah yeah. Jason: [5:19] So there were few retailers on the show a friend of the show Chris hard to see from now Clark's was one of the panelists and for our listeners that weren't lucky enough to get to attend the panel can you start to give us a high-level about what your POV was on the panel. Lockie: [5:38] Yeah I'll meet you in the lobby is overused and it means different things to different brands to different customers but we really tried to break it down obviously at the heart of omni-channel is a single view of customer at a single view of inventory, and if you're at a legacy retailer like a Clark says it was some of our partners were it's a lot harder than when you had to digitally native brand like untuckit and we're starting from scratch so we were sharing some of the pitfalls in successes that we've had but it, all comes back to data and I don't think big data is overused an overplayed because it is real, and part of that is having to Technologies at a cost effective to be able to draw insights from that data and so we spent a lot of time talking about. Everything from getting a CDP a customer data platform to building out the foundational elements of an Erp enterprise resource planning plan so that you can get, 360 degree view of your customer this is all hard stuff I think we all agree that is not easy and there's very few who are actually getting it done appropriately. Jason: [6:41] For sure and it's one of the interest in contrast to me on your panel so it was a lot of conversation about data and that single view of the customer you're a digitally native brand, this far as I know exclusively sells direct so both online and in stores but you but you own the customer in all cases and of course there are two or more traditional Brands Clark's in Novato. Who are like for the most part disintermediated from that customer so when they're thinking about both what date are they can collect and what date are they can act on. That data is much rarer and more precious for them and I would argue it's it's an ordinate Lee hard to get it right even in your shoes where access to the data is probably not a primary problem in so you think you you. He already one of their shoes and you really have to start getting clever about how you use aggregate data on what you can do. Lockie: [7:39] Absolutely it's hard for all of us out here it's not an easy effort to get omni-channel but at the end of the day it's the customers were demanding it and whether it's hard or not we have to do it. Jason: [7:50] For sure so let's unpack that untuckit when they first had this Epiphany and they they. Figured out how to make the dish first product did they do any kind of Market validation or did they just go all in and say where we're putting our, our life savings on the line and we're going to open a website or how did that work. Lockie: [8:13] The great thing about having to Founders is we had one founder who was definitely all-in chips all-in on the table and another founder who actually was a little more reserved and that's the brilliant balance that we have as a startup and we started with a one store in the website and both the founders worked in the stores and actually did those customer phone, Roots one online working in the stores and understanding how to fit could be better they also mind all the customer feedback that they got through the website so if there were, plants are returns they were the ones responding to it so is your digital Founders story, but It ultimately we took a while before we kind of hit the gas to say let's do this let's open up what we have now 75 stores across the us we perfected it from 2015 to 2017 and then. Up and to the right it's been a really exciting Journey once we got the fit right and understood our customer base. Jason: [9:10] That's awesome and I've already learned something so I made a false assumption so many did you need to bring ends course the easiest way to sell stuff from, level of effort and cost standpoint as the ones that website and so most it's only two Brands start as a pure-play e-commerce Venture and ultimately like discover that there's a lot of benefit to opening stores as well but so know you guys open the store simultaneously of the website lets it you're based in New York today was that first store in Manhattan. Lockie: [9:43] Yes it wasn't so how it's the store still there on Prince Street. Jason: [9:46] Got it which is a super uncompetitive retail section for people that both apparel retail and Soho. Lockie: [9:53] Yeah and we're also headquartered there so that helped as well so having the headquarters in your the store and making sure there was a split between when we launched the website which would have been in 2011 versus when we actually open the store which was in, 15 but ultimately getting that consumer feedback in that real touch point I think they noticed. Hopefully sell that having stores is the best thing that you can do is a digitally native brand so we we definitely understood that very early on. Jason: [10:21] Interesting and I want imma get back to you in just a sec but the so assuming they didn't have a ton of experience in e-commerce or retail in additional peril mean you're not in Wise wait podcast it's hard to see the knob, just teasing so. Did they like I'm trying to think 2011 Shopify would not have been like a super well-known platform at that point like today. What like how to divide do they hire someone to build a custom website today what would you know what they did or. Lockie: [10:53] Fortunately Shopify was in their sights and we are actually still on Shopify plus so part of the beauty of it is our Founders are very conscious of dollars it was their hard-earned money that went into the business early on cuz we waited some time before we took outside Capitol and they grew it very wisely bootstrapping it and Shopify was and I believe very strong and it's a great a platform to launch especially now a new brand. Jason: [11:17] Yeah I think it might like today it would be pretty easy for a brand to find Shopify and it's super easy to launch a site my recollection from 2011 they existed but it. It would not have been an obvious slam-dunk there would have been a bunch of other choices with equivalent Buzz that might not have been so successful for them so, so they said they made a good a good fit Choice there watch that side and so then fast forward a couple years they open a store adjacent to the corporate headquarters and. [11:49] If there's a bunch of mistakes you can make launching a website way more mistakes you can make opening a store but the awesome thing about having even that first store is. You can you have to interact directly to customer in your to your point like they both worked in the store so it's almost unavoidable that you get this customer feedback this voice of the customer and it creates this. Opportunity for a really good feedback loop that bothers tools to capture the voice of the customer online. It feels more disassociated. If you was more like data you get after the fact it doesn't feel like a human being standing in front of you telling you their problem with the washer they bought or finding a shirt that are all those sorts of things. So I suspected that was a nice Advantage for them, but now they're selling online to the whole country and they're selling in-store out of one particular store, were they in that you're aware they shipping from that Supply do they have one inventory in New York and that's where all the the shipments went out. Lockie: [12:54] We actually had a local DC so it was very small and Connecticut and we, since then to have being a major Nationwide Global 3pl with logistic. It's at the early start it was all bootstrapping so a very small supplier who is helping us out and shipping we didn't do it ourselves because our Focus really was on perfecting the shirt. Jason: [13:17] And that gun shop if I didn't have the omni-channel feature set in the POS so you probably. Lockie: [13:22] I'm close to that yes. Jason: [13:22] Probably had to pick some other stuff and figure out what was important to integrate than in all those sorts of things so good news that works it caught on and yusuke how many stores did you say you have. Lockie: [13:36] 75 stores right now. Jason: [13:37] Yeah so so in all in the US right. Lockie: [13:40] All in the US and Canada and the exciting news is that were opening to stores at the end of the year and let them. Jason: [13:47] Oh my gosh so that'll be your first International fanchon and will you launch a UK website. Lockie: [13:53] We Will We Will spin up a new UK website and we're also spitting up a Canadian website to give the Canadians their own product and we are moving inventory and Country both Canada and the UK this is an exciting time for the brand. Jason: [14:05] Is global expansion exciting opportunities / all sorts of new interesting challenge. Lockie: [14:12] Yes yes we love challenges. Jason: [14:14] Yeah boy be boring if you just did easy stuff. Lockie: [14:17] Play slam dunks all day long. Jason: [14:18] Exactly yeah I myself cannot dunk but I've I've been told that it's. Exactly exactly that room is way up there I don't know if you know so with a fleet of stores and e-commerce. You know you mentioned that single view with the inventory when you're talking about on me and channel like that becomes more difficult to maintain. Do you have unified systems today and you have a single view of inventory across 220 stores and your your fulfillment center. Lockie: [14:52] We do it's not fully mature and we're laying the bricks one by one to build on and bolt onto a core system, right now in the US we do offer our customers and ability to order through endless aisle and we have a mobile POS system with new store, which is definitely state-of-the-art and revolutionary and next-gen all those, things rolled into one and it allows us to have the customers actually be able to provide feedback and I'm building the connections is the CTO to make sure we get that view from both call center too as well as Merchants they want to have an ability to log in and see if their customer complaints about our shirts if there's a fit issue or quality issue, so we're building at 360 degree view as well as giving technological enablers for that feedback loop. Jason: [15:38] Not your enemy your panel you mention you do have a CDP in place. Lockie: [15:41] We do we do and so for our marketing team driving those insights of which customer segments were, Express how can we and sent them to come to our stores or to shop online whichever they like and whatever we would like them to do so you leveraging Ai and machine learning to be able to do. In a predictive manner as well as driving insights about those customers and what they want from us whether we also offer not two shirts we have pants and shorts and other things as we complete the look and all in an effort to make our customers feel and look great but to be able to do that you definitely need technology. Jason: [16:17] Yeah so I want to Pivot to customer acquisition you alluded to it but before you one more question like there's one more piece I feel like to hear your sales make so we got the stores we got the e-commerce like you are also a three-piece seller on Amazon. And it wouldn't be a Jason Scott show we didn't bring up the the Amazon so I meet a lot of entrepreneurs dinner, on Amazon because they think it's a great customer acquisition Channel and I'm happy to be there and they're investing in it I mean other entrepreneurs day. I'll characterize it as like it less but feel they have to be so I'm like where are you guys in the spectrum is it. Lockie: [16:55] I'd say we're probably in the Middle where they're not in a major way but we recognize that we want to have learnings from the channel in case we do decide but as you noted early on with so many other things on our radar right now we are really focused on keeping control of our brand and the messaging, is a lot of competition out there and we want to make sure we protect our Earth our patent so to speak on the untucked shirt. And as we do that going into new channels just presence obviously Newberry has new issues new obstacles so we're being very cautious as we roll out with Amazon. Jason: [17:30] End it over his nose like it potentially could feel oily or not but the reality is, there's a ton of Shoppers on Amazon they're going to type searches that are relevant to you in their search engine, if you're not there at all there's going to be a bunch of squatters that are going to figure out how to show up in the top of the search results and very often Brands will put a limited assortment on Amazon just to win that search battle I not have their brand be usurped if you do have some IP protection there's many more Tools in Amazon has to protect your IP, if you're a seller and of course the path you take him where you're selling yourself on Amazon as a three-piece seller. I wouldn't see you get to control the experience as much as you'd like but you for example get control over pricing which is a very big deal. Lockie: [18:19] Absolutely. Jason: [18:20] Yeah so not uncommon strategy but it doesn't sound like that was necessarily like your highest priority pass the growth was the about your shift from your own store website to Amazon in the world would like on fire for you. Lockie: [18:33] Exactly exactly. Jason: [18:34] Okay so let's give it to that customer acquisition and how are you finding new customers. Lockie: [18:42] How are we not finding new customers I I'd like to Big that we we participate in everything and I think that again goes, to the strength of our founding team and recognizing that with a brand that, in addition to men's we also have women's and a lot of times women are also shopping for the men in their lives or maybe it's Grandma buying a gift for her son so we kind of needed to be everywhere to understand the extent of our reach and we're everywhere in print ads I enjoy coming to conferences like this where most people tell me they actually discovered Us in the airline magazine. Which is very cost-effective but the how have you heard of us has been very tremendous on that series of Airline ads we do social paid social Billboards television hopefully some of you have seen RR. But we also think of our stores actually as a great way for us to have marketing, 365 so part of where we want to go is understanding who we can appeal to and then through all this great technology we're bringing in will be able to segment them. To them in the way that they like to be on that one to one basis. Jason: [19:49] Yeah that's awesome the stores is an Acquisitions and I feel like it's kind of settled territory now that for a long time that was very controversial, in there there's a ton of data that what you open a store in the market and your web traffic in that market dramatically picks up picks up and conversely if you're one of these retailers that's atrophying, closing stores. You take a big hit to Brand awareness and e-commerce traffic and it's I'll be honest like you walking or retailer this planning on closing stores and almost always the strategy is working to capture those customers digitally. And you don't have to like not only are you not going to capture those customers digitally you're going to lose other customers that discovered you because of your stores. Lockie: [20:33] 100% you nailed it and I'm part of what we find now and this new omni-channel world where we're really creating the rules is you actually have to change your match. You can no longer simply look at sales online and sales and store because customers are shopping across channels so you could ultimately make bad decisions because your customers now splitting their revenues so we look at revenue on tomorrow faces and when we open a store to make sure we don't get to a point where we are cannibalizing our sales, we want to make sure we're growing within market for each of the customers who live there and then of course customers travel so having that technological stack that we can look and see well Jason actually flew to another city Austin maybe I maybe stopping to Copley Place in purchase there how is all of that impacting our brand overall. Jason: [21:24] Yeah as someone who travels every week I feel like I am the high stress on the cdp's of a lot of the brain. Lockie: [21:29] Oh yes yes. Jason: [21:30] I use cuz I'm not I'm almost certainly not the customer Journey that's on their whiteboard. Like that attribution thing is a super challenging thing to do. Have you guys adopted like a particular like approach to attribution and are you like to have a notion of customer lifetime value and any. Lockie: [21:53] Definitely notion of customer lifetime value and thinking about it and cutting the data and many different ways to drive those insights, yo attribution we're working on some models internally with a with external partner Partners boat as well as looking at internally how can we measure it, obviously last-click is not ideal and ultimately we want to be able to double down on those things that are working but it has to be an integrated View and there are some really exciting Partners out there some of them are here at this conference we're starting to think about the world in a real life scenario with all these integrated points versus how the world used to be which was very siloed so we're still working on it it's exciting to be in the in the game and trying to figure it out for the untuckit brand. Jason: [22:34] Yeah I think in your panel you you omitted to one of the marketing escapes and it's like the number of vendors is just exploding. And I feel like one of these areas is attribution so in the good news like there's a lot of smart people out there thinking about the problem in the bad news it can take a fair amount of bandwidth, talk to these guys and figure out what's going to be the best, fit for you which are you smarter than the exploratory phases or if you found some vendors you really like that that have already yielded some results for you. Lockie: [23:07] Yeah that guy coming to conferences like this is amazing as you get to drop in really quickly and understand from a cultural fit perspective as well as from the. Who's where and are we aligned and how we think and so we're still in the exploratory phase as we do have a short list of vendors that were talking to but if someone else drops out with and it just takes one product release right for a new feature to come out into really help solve some of the challenges that we have given that we do have stores we do you have an online presence and we do send catalogs so that's a very difficult model for some people to understand and ingest but I'm at least building the foundation so from a date of birth after we can unify it it's cleansed it's normalized and then it can feed whatever algorithms their they're developing and a pretty rapid real-time fashion but it's really hard work to be able to get there and those vendors are not there yet. Jason: [23:57] For sure. So you're you are clicking much to say that you got the CDP you have a broad range of customer acquisition tools are you at the point where you're activating any of that customer data to Serta personalized those outbound marketing activities are using it primarily to Target who gets what activities or using a taxi change the the content in those activation. Lockie: [24:23] We're at the start of changing the content because I obviously requires some Partners who can an able that Dynamic rendering that would be necessary so we're not there yet but it's definitely on our Horizons and so part of what we're doing now is just understanding from lookalike audiences perspective we have the CDP were able to look at our most. The customer is our highest lifetime value customers and then understand how we double down on them by leveraging the lookalike audiences on all of the social class forms and we've seen tremendous return on investment in a very short time and I I believe in that wholeheartedly having started out on Wall Street in my career I want to make sure if I'm bringing on a new vendor that they're going to prove out from a revenue increase or from a cost reduction for. In a very short amount of time and so that's the selection criteria that I use and bring it in but where it would starting at we can definitely see the momentum. Jason: [25:13] Yeah so I want to give it to a way I can sometimes be a difficult conversation so that you guys would have to having racing money I think last year right or late last year maybe or, 2 years ago okay and your aspirations Richie that unicorn status that that billion dollar valuation, lots of exciting things about being in that phase of growth, but you're now in the situation that like if you can't that she's that kind of growth it's not a success for the investors right so you just kind of taking off the table the option to, be a successful medium-sized company. In inside like when you're in this situation where you have to keep scaling one of the things that's really interesting as we see Watson of these digital-native Brands hit when I called the the d2c plateau. Here's my promise and you tell me if, if you guys already passed it or you think my promise is wrong or if you have a hypothesis but essentially. Go pre-digital go 2007 if you had some new idea for a product and you launched it could be a great product. [26:24] There were millions of people that wanted to buy and it would take you five years to get the word out to those millions of people. So your girls would be very slow and steady right even if it was up again a phenomenal product that had a big Cam that was desperate for your product just, the vehicles available to you to Market that product where we made you weren't going to be able for broadcast television it first and so you'd have this nice when your scale, today you got this fabulous idea to revolutionize the shirt industry and you have these wonderful digital tools to reach that that core audience immediately and so the growth that would have taken you five years, you now potentially get in 6 months or a year, and so there it looks the first year of your business as a in the digital era looks vastly better than the first year of businesses in the pre-digital E Roblox but the mistake is a bunch of companies go oh my God. We're going to keep scaling like this forever until we hit that billion dollars and we're going to go sell it and live on a boat in Nantucket and the reality is. There was some addressable Market that really wanted your product and you just find those guys earlier and so to keep Drilling. [27:36] The next you have to pay that and now fine. These customers that maybe you have to evangelize more you have to educate more or you know that are just less of likely to be your customers than that, that first tranche of growth was and so we see a lot of dtc's with this nice hockey stick and then it flattens out and they've got to figure out it didn't flatten doesn't mean they're doomed it means what got them there is not the same tactics they're going to have to use to that next phase of growth so they have to dramatically change their customer acquisition are you guys, see nothing on and on and all you feel like that's already in the rearview mirror and you're blowing past it and my high and you. Lockie: [28:18] No not at I think it's a brilliant inside having worked at a startup for 6 years. Jason: [28:22] Can you be my sound bite for the. Lockie: [28:24] Have you worked at a.com in the early 2000s I completely agree with your assessment and that's why I'm super excited to be with untuckit now because the cost of being able to scale is come down dramatically and the tools that are out there exactly as you stated fortunately we haven't hit plateau and I I think it's the incredible insights of our team that's very strong and grounded many of us have work the.com era and we took those lessons that we got from there and have now apply them to this business but got in a while we're still growing and now building the infrastructure so that we can leverage and start to think, and the great thing is we're experimenting and iterating all along so I think part of the reason why we haven't found that, cytopoint yet is because we are out there doing things very smartly staying very close to our customers making sure our store is which are possible within the first six to eight months which is pretty incredible so as we double down on that and get smarter about how we measure different markets measure the different segments again women shop very differently than men so we're in understanding the female purchase behaviors which may vary when do vary from how many hours purchasing from us and the messages that we put in front of them so I doing all of that at the same time we're ensuring that we maintain if not accelerate our growth rates even as we grow. Jason: [29:43] That makes total sense you one of the things I'm curious about because you have this level of customer intimacy you know your customer super well you're clicking on the state up when are the traditional problems in the apparel space in particular is returns and like the I don't you can't sell apparel without having meaningful returns unfortunately which is just you know it's an extra expense to doing business but I do have a hypothesis that if you know the customer well there's more you have more levers to pull to mitigate returns and I'm curious do you feel like your data is like is a competitive advantage to help you manage returns and keep those costs manageable or do you see that as an opportunity. Lockie: [30:26] Yeah we have done a lot of work in that was part of the early years that Chris and Erin spent and perfecting the shirt is an understanding from a sizing perspective. What works for men and as part of that I think in our store is the brilliant Insight was to have the try on shirt in store, so once a guy comes in and he locks into his size, it's golden he may never come into a store again but my own 30 some shirts because he knows what he likes and he can simply go online after he had that first experience in, yeah baby you got a glass of bourbon while he was in there too but he enjoys the brand and how easy we made it for him and yes we still even with that have pre return partners that are helping us because we're experimenting and we recognize that customers are going to exchange they're going to return product that's the nature of our business, so we try to make it as seamless as possible and then if we get a return to work with 3pl so I can clean the Prada. Back on the shelves as quickly as possible or get, out to customers through online so we recognize that is the dirty side the Secret side of a retail but there are tools out there to help you make it a little easier for you to manage. Jason: [31:37] Yep and you would have just Partners is that some of the the happy returns of the. Lockie: [31:42] Is that happy returns narvar returnly all of them are here this week and they're doing great jobs in different ways and ultimately I think is that, edited set shrinks, will understand ultimately how our customers like to behave with us and as we have more stores will take a look at it because what ends up happening is some customers would like to bring it into the store again we need an opportunity to streamline that process and get it back on this floor for a sales associate to be able to sell. Jason: [32:10] Yeah I think that's super smart and I I really like the I feel like those vendors have hit up front upon a real problem statement that there's real economic incentive to solve Soh. So that's exciting I did I wrote an article I think last week, talking about like the challenges of e-commerce profitability in and specifically around returns and I found this old quote I had forgotten about for Mandy done when he first started bonobos and it was like. E-commerce as awesome as long as you don't care about Eva. Which have you like isn't isn't always true but it's important cautionary tale like it turns out it's not just throw the stuff online and you're guaranteed a profit. Lockie: [32:51] Exactly while fortunately we are chasing profit so that's the. Jason: [32:56] It sounds like I want to put it to the Future before I do want to close the loop on one thing on storage because it just makes me super happy untuckit is finally opening a store in Nantucket. So I feel like that's very melodious. Lockie: [33:11] There you go and we want to do that for sure. Jason: [33:14] I know I know that that was a high priority. Lockie: [33:17] Absolutely. Jason: [33:18] Although you have to be careful and I know you follow the Nantucket news lately but they're shark-infested. Lockie: [33:23] Oh yeah look at that sharks in the water we put some on the shirt you know just go with it might as well go with it. Jason: [33:29] I feel I just embrace it like if you want it if you do a local shirt that would be the shark warning. Lockie: [33:34] There you go. Jason: [33:35] Shirt. Thank you sit I feel like we're in a super fascinating time like the best tactics that word when you guys want start playing at the exact same best tactics. I wear using today there's a lot of trial in the morning you reference a lot of, the different vendors and tactics that are available at shows like this, if you try to put your futures hat on and imagine coming back to this show in 2025 how do you think, the industry is going to have all but which of these problems do you feel like, maybe we've solved and what do you think the new the new problems are do you do you have any POV about where like it would be in 5 years. Lockie: [34:17] Yeah well again putting on the future as head you never know no one has a crystal ball I actually feel like there were many things we learned in.com 1.0 and that we forgot somehow and now we're here talking about the butt hopefully we continue to double down on the lessons we get I think an advance on some of the benefits we give it's a. Of the product and right now there's so much access inventory out there for whatever reason it's not selling I'm excited about a future where we can leverage technology and data to be able to get there and obviously Stitch fix Rent the Runway they're all looking at different components and attributes of products to understand how do you get the product that this customer will like based on their preference, as well as getting the manufacturing tolerances of these products down to a point where you are actually getting what feels like a custom fit. But is actually off the shelf. That's where we're going to go if we continue this trend of leveraging technology to get better which equals last waist in the world which I love her no more landfills closed because we're producing only what will get sold so I'm super excited about that future. Jason: [35:26] Yeah why when you put it in terms of saving the earth now I have to totally jumped on board on your vision of the future as well, lockie that's going to be a great place to end it for the day because it's happened again we've used up all our a lot of time, but folks are eager to keep the conversation going you're welcome to jump on her Facebook page follow us on Twitter as always if you enjoy the show wheel of that five star review on iTunes but more importantly lucky if folks want to find you online I can do you hang out in some digital corner of the universe. Lockie: [35:58] I do Twitter and Instagram at lucky Andrews. Com you can find me anywhere I speak a lot of conferences but please reach out to me and thank you again. Jason: [36:07] Awesome I will put those links in the show notes thanks again for all your time and really enjoyed chatting with you until next time happy commercing.

I’m meeting Matt Witkovsky at his office with Nxtbook Media on Prince Street. We’re sitting down at a cafe table in the company’s break room, which overlooks the Barnstormers stadium. It’s a place rich with exposed brick, natural light, and an incredible amount of space for an office the size of a large condo. When we sit down, Matt offers me a beer – and not just a Yuengling or Miller Lite. It’s a beer that clearly requires a certain degree of care, creativity, and interest to produce. It probably requires the same to properly appreciate.   As we toast to a good interview, I begin to get a glimpse at the man behind the beer. Confident and intelligent with a sharp wit and admirable sense of dedication, almost everything we talked about came back to a single concept.   Story.   Husband. Father. Salesman. Entrepreneur. Comic book aficionado.   Lancaster, meet Matt Witkovsky.   At the time of this podcast’s release, it’s the beginning of May 2019. That means tourist season is about to start in Lancaster.   For Lancaster County, this means a lot of outside revenue that helps support community mainstays throughout the area.   For residents, this also means keeping an extra eye out for cars pulled off onto the side of a road, out-of-staters hopping fences into pastures, and a whole lot of other hazards that happen in daily travel.   If you’re planning to visit Lancaster this summer, please keep in mind that stopping on roads — even with your four-ways on — is dangerous. Hopping fences is trespassing. Don’t pass buggies if you can’t see what’s coming the other way. And for the love of God, don’t honk at the horses.   Please also keep in mind that while the Amish may be a big draw to Lancaster County, they’re still people with dignity and self-respect. Photographing them without their permission is just as rude, disrespectful, and intrusive as if someone were photographing you without your knowledge. This rule goes double for children.   Visit Lancaster. It’s a wonderful place. You can make it even better by remembering that this little slice of paradise is home for more than 500,000 people.    That’s all for now. Let’s get back to Matt.   I can’t thank Matt enough for opening up the Nxtbook Media facilities for this interview. It was a great time, and the break room was a great place to enjoy a one-of-a-kind beer as we talked. I don’t know about you, but I know I’m walking away from this with a whole lot more information on what makes a beer good.   If you’d like to get in touch with Matt, you can go to witbeertours.com to inquire about his brewery tours. Like he said, they’re great for every occasion. It’s not a party bus — it’s a way to learn and experience the beers in Lancaster.   I’d say that’s worth some time in the Lancaster Limelight.   If you’d like to tell your story in the limelight, just get in touch with the Gents of Lancaster whenever you want. You can reach us at gentsoflancaster@gmail.com.   We read everything we get, and we respond to everything we read.   We’d love to hear from you.   --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/gents-of-lancaster/support

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The bestselling author of 11 books, including the eighties defining Bright Lights, Big City, Jay McInerney, took a break to chat with me about his new book, the writing process, and some timeless tips from his mentor, Raymond Carver. Vanity Fair called Mr. McInerney “Our modern-day Fitzgerald,” and his most recent book — Bright, Precious Days — is described as “… a sexy, vibrant, cross-generational New York story — a literary and commercial triumph of the highest order.” The author is a renowned short story writer, screenwriter, and actor, who has lived in New York for three decades and rubbed elbows with a laundry list of literary lions, including his mentors Tobias Wolff and Raymond Carver. In addition to fiction, Jay writes a highly regarded wine column for Town & Country magazine, and has written several essay collections on wine. The author most recently joined the Prince Street podcast as a culinary and arts correspondent and has interviewed director Francis Ford Coppola, author Stephanie Danler, and celebrity chefs including Eric Ripert, to name a few. Join us for this two-part interview, and if you’re a fan of the show, please subscribe in iTunes to automatically see new interviews, and help other writers find us. If you missed the first half you can find it right here. In Part Two of the file Jay McInerney and I discuss: The Author’s Astute Anatomical Analogy for Writer’s Block How a Short Story Became a Series of Bestselling Novels Why Writers Need to Stretch the Boundaries of Their Genres The Big City as Creative Muse Some Timeless Advice from Raymond Carver on the Importance of Discipline Listen to The Writer Files: Writing, Productivity, Creativity, and Neuroscience below ... 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I m your host, Kelton Reid, writer, podcaster, and mediaphile. Each week we ll discover how great writers keep the ink flowing, the cursor moving, and avoid writer s block. We return with the best-selling author of eleven books, including the 80s-defining Bright Lights, Big City. Jay McInerney, who took a break this week to chat with me about his new book, the writing process, and some timeless tips from his mentor Raymond Carver. Vanity Fair called McInerney “Our modern-day F. Scott Fitzgerald” and his most recent book Bright, Precious Days is described as a sexy, vibrant, cross-generational New York story, a literary and commercial triumph of the highest order. The author is a renowned short story writer, screenwriter and actor, who’s lived in New York for three decades, and has rubbed elbows with a laundry list of literary lions, including his mentors Tobias Wolff and Raymond Carver. In addition to fiction, Jay writes a highly regarded wine column for Town & Country Magazine, and has also written several essay collections on wine. The author recently joined the Prince Street Podcast, as a culinary and arts correspondent, where he’s interviewed director Francis Ford Coppola, author Stephanie Danler, and celebrity chefs, including Eric Ripert, to name a few. Join us for this two part interview, and if you’re a fan of the show, please click “subscribe” to see new shows and help other writers find us. If you missed the first half of this show, you can find it on iTunes and in the show notes. A quick note that the show will take a short break for Labor Day, and we’ll return with more interviews with great writers very soon. In part two of the file, Jay and I discuss the author’s astute, anatomical analogy for writer’s block, how a short story became a series of bestselling novels, why writers need to stretch the boundaries of their genres, the big city as creative muse, and some timeless advice from Raymond Carver on the importance of discipline. There’s some really, really great contemporary blues, men and women, taking up the mantle now. Do you find yourself seeking out any … No names are popping into my mind, but I know that they come through New York at times. Jay McInerney: It’s true, although … I don’t know. I’m just sort of stuck with the classic, sort of, Chicago and Mississippi guys, at the moment. The Author’s Astute Anatomical Analogy for Writer’s Block Kelton Reid: Absolutely. One thing we talk about on this show quite often is writer’s block. Do you have an opinion? Jay McInerney: It’s terrible. It’s like talking about impotence. Kelton Reid: Right. No one wants to talk about it. Is it a thing? Is it real? Jay McInerney: Yeah. Well, you know, it has been for me. It’s funny because once I wrote Bright Lights, Big City, I felt like I had broken the curse, and that I would never have that problem again. For many years, I didn’t really seem to have a problem. I seemed to go from one project to the next, and in a relatively smooth fashion. But then around 1999, 2000, I just experienced this terrible writer’s block. I just couldn’t write fiction. I couldn’t get started on anything new. It was a real struggle for me, and it was a terrible feeling, because that’s what I do. That’s who I am. I’m somebody who writes fiction, who writes novels. I think it’s something that most writers deal with at one time or another, except for maybe Joyce Carol Oates. Kelton Reid: Right. Have you ever … Sure, sure. Have you talked with other writers … You’ve rubbed elbows with a who’s who of literary giants. Has anyone ever spoken about it with you, or is it just something that’s like, “Hmm, no. Let’s not talk about it.” Jay McInerney: You know, it’s funny, but I feel it really is something that writers don’t want to talk about at all, the same way men don’t want to talk about impotence. It’s kind of an embarrassing subject. It’s kind of like saying, “I can’t do the thing that allegedly defines me.” It just calls your whole identity into question. It’s very frustrating, day after day, to not be able to produce anything. It makes for some bad days and nights with the people that one lives with. Kelton Reid: Well, let’s not talk about it anymore. Just sweep that one under the rug. Jay McInerney: I’m happy to say that I haven’t felt that in quite a while now, and I’m already working on some short stories, which is about all I can do right now, because I have a fair amount of promotion to do for this book. But for some reason, I feel like the next one is going to come to me before too long. How a Short Story Became a Series of Bestselling Novels Kelton Reid: Yeah. The latest, I mean the series that incorporates the lives of the Calloways, started as a short story. Is that right? It started as a short story Smoke I believe? Jay McInerney: Yeah. Actually, the first thing I wrote after Bright Lights, Big City was a short story called Smoke. It was published in The Atlantic, and it had this couple … I don t know, I just sort of created this couple. The couple was kind of based on there were two or three couples in New York, at that time, that I kind of idealized a little bit. These people were smart and good looking, and threw glamorous cocktail parties, and seemed to have it all together in a way that the rest of us, perhaps, didn’t. Of course, as it turns out, all of those couples broke up before too long. But I wanted to explore this idea of “the perfect couple,” because, of course, there is no such thing. Russell and Corrine were kind of … I thought of them as representative figures of the time, in a way. Some people would call them yuppies. They were very well educated. They went to Brown University together, got married shortly after they got out of college, went to New York to pursue their fortunes. And also as somebody who was on his second marriage by that time, I was intrigued to explore the idea of monogamy. Also Russell was kind of an alter-ego, for me, because if I hadn’t been a novelist, I’m pretty sure that what I would’ve done is I would’ve become an editor. He was living the life that I might have lived. Kelton Reid: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Like an alternate universe. Jay McInerney: Yeah. What Philip Roth called The Counterlife. Kelton Reid: We will be right back after a very short break. Thanks so much for listening to The Writer Files. Jerod Morris: Hey, Jerod Morris here. If you know anything about Rainmaker Digital and Copyblogger, you may know that we produce incredible live events. Some would say that we produce incredible live events as an excuse to throw great parties, but that’s another story. We’ve got another one coming up this October in Denver. It’s called Digital Commerce Summit and it is entirely focused on giving you the smartest ways to create and sell digital products and services. You can find out more at Rainmaker.FM/Summit. That’s Rainmaker.FM/Summit. We’ll be talking about Digital Commerce Summit in more detail as it gets closer. For now, I’d like to let a few attendees from our past events speak for us: Attendee 1: For me, it’s just hearing from the experts. This is my first industry event, so it’s awesome to learn new stuff and also get confirmation that we’re not doing it completely wrong where I work. Attendee 2: The best part of the conference, for me, is being able to mingle with people and realize that you have connections with everyone here. It feels like LinkedIn live. I also love the parties after each day, being able to talk to the speakers, talk to other people who are here for the first time, people who have been here before. Attendee 3: I think the best part of the conference, for me, is understanding how I can service my customers a little more easily. Seeing all the different facets and components of various enterprises then helps them pick the best tools. Jerod Morris: Hey, we agree. One of the biggest reasons we host the conference every year is so that we can learn how to service our customers people like you more easily. Here are just a few more words from folks who have come to our past live events. Attendee 4: It’s really fun. I think it’s a great mix of beginner information and advanced information. I’m really learning a lot and having a lot of fun. Attendee 5: The conference is great, especially because it’s a single-track conference where you don’t get distracted by “Which session should I go to?” And, “Am I missing something?” Attendee 6: The training and everything the speakers have been awesome but I think the coolest aspect for me has been connecting with both people who are putting it on and the other attendees. Jerod Morris: That’s it for now. There’s a lot more to come on Digital Commerce Summit. I really hope to see you there in October. Again, to get all the details and the very best deal on tickets, head over to Rainmaker.FM/Summit. That’s Rainmaker.FM/Summit. Why Writers Need to Stretch the Boundaries of Their Genres Kelton Reid: Well I know that you’re a busy man, and you’ve got places to be, and people to see, so I’d love to pick your brain about creativity a little bit. Certainly … Creativity is at the core of what you do. You intertwine fiction, wine, writing, food, all the senses. Do you have a definition of creativity floating around out there, somewhere? Jay McInerney: I think, specifically, in my case … That is to say, in the case of my life as a novelist, that I think … What I look for, what I hope for, in my own work, and what I look for in other people’s work, is reinventing the tradition, and stretching, taking a form … In this case, let’s say the novel or the short story, and applying your own imagination to it in such a way, that it becomes something that it never was before. It becomes … That you stretch, that you stretch the boundaries of the genre, just a little bit. None of us has ever really completely reinvented the novel, or the … Except possibly James Joyce. But that’s the goal, to deploy imagination in a way that something new under the sun has been created. The Big City as Creative Muse Kelton Reid: Absolutely. Do you personally have a creative muse, at the moment, outside of promoting your baby? Jay McInerney: Well, honestly, I’m speaking to you from my apartment in Greenwich Village, in New York City, and I feel like the city is my muse. I feel like every day, I walk out there, and I fully expect to see something that I’ve never seen before, and to hear something I’ve never heard before. I don’t know. Just today I was walking back from lunch, and somebody was saying, “Man. Can you believe those neo-Nazis in Chipotle?” I didn’t hear the rest of that conversation, but I don’t know. I’m always picking up fragments on the street, and insights, and weird juxtapositions … New York continues to inspire me. I guess really that’s my muse. I occasionally write about other settings, but I always come back to this city. Specifically, my city is Manhattan. Kelton Reid: Yeah. Jay McInerney: There are many wonderful younger writers who are coming out of Brooklyn, who live in Brooklyn. They’ve made it sort of the new mecca of urban literature. Kelton Reid: For sure. Jay McInerney: For me, it’s Manhattan. I moved here in 1980, and I will probably die here. Kelton Reid: Awesome, awesome. Jay McInerney: I’ll continue to write about it. Kelton Reid: Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. All right, I’m going to give you one fun one before we wrap. If you could choose one author from any era, for an all-expense paid dinner to your favorite spot, who would you take, and where would you take them? Jay McInerney: Huh, let’s see. Well, I don’t know. I think it’d like to take Jane Austen. I think she would be a dazzling conversationalist. There’s any number of New York restaurants that I might take her to, but if I were taking her to a place to show her New York, and its great social panorama, I would probably take her to Balthazar. Kelton Reid: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Jay McInerney: Which has, in the last twenty years or so, become one of the great New York institutions. If it turned out that she was a foodie, I would take her to Le Bernardin, the three star Michelin restaurant operated by my friend Eric Ripert up in Midtown. Some Timeless Advice from Raymond Carver on the Importance of Discipline Kelton Reid: For sure. It’s funny, because you chatted with him on your show, on your podcast interview, and he was kind of riffing with you about writing and writing rituals, so I will encourage listeners to find that one on the Prince Street Podcast. I’ll link to it. Finally, do you have any advice for your fellow scribes on how to just keep going, keep the cursor moving, keep the ink flowing? Jay McInerney: Well, I would just go back to what Raymond Carver said to me when I started to study with him. He had already gathered, from visiting me in New York City, which is where we first met, that I was living a fairly undisciplined and irregular life. He told me “You’ve got to do it every day. You’ve got to write every day. When you don’t write, you go backwards. Even if you don’t write, you have to be there, at your desk. You have to be in place. You have to be waiting. Even if nothing comes out of it. You have to be ready for inspiration, and you have to be ready for the muse. You have to keep pushing those words around, until suddenly, you see some kind of flash of light, or you hear some kind of music, that makes you realize that you’ve started down the right path.” Kelton Reid: Yeah. I love that. Lock, stock, and barrel. The latest, from Jay McInerney is Bright, Precious Days, out now. You can find everywhere reputable books are sold. It’s a fantastic read. Congratulations on the latest, and best of luck with all of your future work. I really appreciate you coming on the show. Jay McInerney: Thanks, Kelton. It was great to talk to you. Kelton Reid: Thanks again. Jay McInerney: All right. Take care. Kelton Reid: Thanks so much for joining me for this half of a tour through the writer’s process. 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The bestselling author of 11 books, including the eighties defining Bright Lights, Big City, Jay McInerney, took a break to chat with me about his new book, the writing process, and some timeless tips from his mentor, Raymond Carver. Vanity Fair called Mr. McInerney “Our modern-day Fitzgerald,” and his most recent book — Bright, Precious Days — is described as “… a sexy, vibrant, cross-generational New York story — a literary and commercial triumph of the highest order.” The author is a renowned short story writer, screenwriter, and actor, who has lived in New York for three decades and rubbed elbows with a laundry list of literary lions, including his mentors Tobias Wolff and Raymond Carver. In addition to fiction, Jay writes a highly regarded wine column for Town & Country magazine, and has written several essay collections on wine. The author most recently joined the Prince Street podcast as a culinary and arts correspondent and has interviewed director Francis Ford Coppola, author Stephanie Danler, and celebrity chefs including Eric Ripert, to name a few. Join us for this two-part interview, and if you’re a fan of the show, please subscribe in iTunes to automatically get new interviews, and help other writers find us. In Part One of the file Jay McInerney and I discuss: Why It’s Not a Bad Thing to Be Compared to Your Betters How to Incorporate Your Passions into Your Writing Why You Need to Sit at Your Desk Every Day and Listen to the Voices in Your Head The Author’s Process of Discovery at the Level of Language How the Right Soundtrack Can Inspire Your Writing Listen to The Writer Files: Writing, Productivity, Creativity, and Neuroscience below ... 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These are The Writer Files, a tour of the habits, habitats, and brains of working writers from online content creators to fictionists, journalists, entrepreneurs, and beyond. I m your host, Kelton Reid, writer, podcaster, and mediaphile. Each week we ll discover how great writers keep the ink flowing, the cursor moving, and avoid writer s block. The best selling author of eleven books, including the ’80s defining Bright Lights, Big City, Jay McInerney took a break this week to chat with me about his new book, the writing process, and some timeless tips from his mentor Raymond Carver. Vanity Fair called McInerney “Our modern-day F. Scott Fitzgerald.” His most recent work Bright, Precious Days is a novel that’s described as “…a sexy, vibrant, cross-generational New York story a literary and commercial triumph of the highest order.” The author is a renown short story writer, screenwriter and actor, who’s lived in New York for three decades and rubbed elbows with a laundry list of literary lions including his mentors Tobias Wolff and Raymond Carver. In addition to fiction Jay writes a highly regarded wine column for Town & Country Magazine and has written several essay collections on wine. The author recently recently joined the Prince Street podcast as a culinary and arts correspondent and has interviewed director Francis Ford Coppola, author Stephanie Danler and celebrity chefs including Eric Ripert, to name a few. Join us for this two part interview, and if you’re a fan of the show please click “subscribe” to automatically see new shows and help other writers to find us. In part one of the file Jay and I discuss why it’s not a bad thing to be compared to your betters, how to incorporate your passions into your writing, why you need to sit at your desk every day and listen to the voices in your head, the author’s process of discovery at the level of language, and how the right soundtrack can inspire your writing. We are rolling today on The Writer Files with an especially special guest, that sounds terrible as an intro, but Jay McInerney is here, the esteemed author of eleven books now it would seem. Best selling author, short story master, screenwriter I guess you could put on your resume as well. Jay McInerney: Yeah, yeah. Done a few of those. Kelton Reid: Wine columnist and now podcast interviewer I understand. Jay McInerney: Yeah, I’ve been participating in a podcast called Live From Prince Street, which is supposed to be food and wine centric, although actually I’ve ended up interviewing Francis Ford Coppola, Stephanie Danler the novelist. Veered more in the direction of the arts than food and wine. Kelton Reid: It’s really cool to hear, actually I’m a big fan of the show, at least your McInerney minute there when you are rapping with, it seems like it’s like some of your friends, some of your peers from both the culinary and the arts world, which is really fantastic to hear. Jay McInerney: Yeah, it’s nice. It’s a nice medium. Why It s Not a Bad Thing to Be Compared to Your Betters Kelton Reid: Yeah, yeah. I’ll put that in the show notes so that listeners can seek that out as well, but we’re really here to talk about your latest, which just arrived yesterday as of this recording. The new one, which is Bright, Precious Days, is getting a lot of buzz, a lot of amazing, amazing press. Do you find it intimidating at all that Vanity Fair has compared you to one of your, I think, favorite authors? Do you know who I’m talking about? Jay McInerney: Yeah. I think you’re talking about F. Scott Fitzgerald. Kelton Reid: Yeah. Jay McInerney: Yeah, that freaked me out a little bit. In fact that comparison came up quite a bit when I published Bright Lights, Big City, probably because, I guess because I was relatively young, because the book was wildly successful, and somewhat in the manner of Scott Fitzgerald’s This Side Of Paradise. It was about young people going wild essentially, and I don’t know, I guess we’re both Irish-American writers. It was funny because I was not that much of a Fitzgerald fan at the time. In college I really gravitated toward Hemingway, potentially for The Sun Also Rises. Then I started to really re-read Fitzgerald and found that I really did love his work, and yet it was a comparison that was a little hard to live up to. Not many people write a novel as great as The Great Gatsby. It s a little, you know, you don’t want to necessarily compare yourself to your betters. On the other hand I am a great admirer and I actually think that he did somewhat influence my later work. How to Incorporate Your Passions into Your Writing Kelton Reid: That’s really cool. Our modern day Fitzgerald, a title that you are kind of in awe of. It’s really cool to see the response to the latest one. It’s amazing to me that you’ve had this career and you’ve done so many different things, that seemingly incorporate your passions, which between the wine and the culinary world, incorporating into this New York world, which obviously you paint very vividly. It’s really cool to see. Actually you mentioned Stephanie Danler who I also had on the show recently, and of course she’s a huge fan of yours as well. She kind of pays homage to you actually in the first paragraph of her latest, which is amazing. I found it interesting that she’s almost a different point of view of that same time frame, 2006/2008 in Manhattan. Anyway, great stuff. The newest one, Bright, Precious Days, just came out, a really amazing read. I’d love to dig in your process a little bit. I know you’ve had some amazing mentors in your past, Raymond Carver coming to mind as one of the antecedents of your writing career. As you look back on bigger projects like your latest, I’m not talking about your wine columns, how much time per day do you think you’re taking to research or read or remember that time in history, that world? Jay McInerney: I don’t do that much conscious research, that is to say I tend to write about relatively contemporary history and specifically New York history. This book is set in the … As you mentioned, the year is 2006, 7, 8. These years form the center of the book. I was in New York for that period and I guess mentally I’m always taking notes, and then I would research specific things. One of the characters in the book is a retired private equity guy, and that’s not a world that I spend much time in or thinking about. I research somewhat in terms of specific professions, things that fall outside of my ken, but most of this work is just drawn from my experience living in New York. Which is not to say that this latest novel is particularly autobiographical. There’s no figure that really represents me and my specific experience, but all of the characters are drawn from the world around me that I’m observing every day. Kelton Reid: We will be right back after a very short break. Thanks so much for listening to The Writer Files. Jerod Morris: Hey, Jerod Morris here. If you know anything about Rainmaker Digital and Copyblogger, you may know that we produce incredible live events. Some would say that we produce incredible live events as an excuse to throw great parties, but that’s another story. We’ve got another one coming up this October in Denver. It’s called Digital Commerce Summit and it is entirely focused on giving you the smartest ways to create and sell digital products and services. You can find out more at Rainmaker.FM/Summit. That’s Rainmaker.FM/Summit. We’ll be talking about Digital Commerce Summit in more detail as it gets closer. For now, I’d like to let a few attendees from our past events speak for us: Attendee 1: For me, it’s just hearing from the experts. This is my first industry event, so it’s awesome to learn new stuff and also get confirmation that we’re not doing it completely wrong where I work. Attendee 2: The best part of the conference, for me, is being able to mingle with people and realize that you have connections with everyone here. It feels like LinkedIn live. I also love the parties after each day, being able to talk to the speakers, talk to other people who are here for the first time, people who have been here before. Attendee 3: I think the best part of the conference, for me, is understanding how I can service my customers a little more easily. Seeing all the different facets and components of various enterprises then helps them pick the best tools. Jerod Morris: Hey, we agree. One of the biggest reasons we host the conference every year is so that we can learn how to service our customers people like you more easily. Here are just a few more words from folks who have come to our past live events. Attendee 4: It’s really fun. I think it’s a great mix of beginner information and advanced information. I’m really learning a lot and having a lot of fun. Attendee 5: The conference is great, especially because it’s a single-track conference where you don’t get distracted by “Which session should I go to?” And, “Am I missing something?” Attendee 6: The training and everything the speakers have been awesome but I think the coolest aspect for me has been connecting with both people who are putting it on and the other attendees. Jerod Morris: That’s it for now. There’s a lot more to come on Digital Commerce Summit. I really hope to see you there in October. Again, to get all the details and the very best deal on tickets, head over to Rainmaker.FM/Summit. That’s Rainmaker.FM/Summit. Why You Need to Sit at Your Desk Every Day and Listen to the Voices in Your Head Kelton Reid: It seems a little bit different than the wine writing and the culinary writing that you do because that seems incredibly detailed in its research when you’re talking about something specific as like how rosé came to be so popular. Ok, so before you … when you’re working on a novel, before you get started do you have some pre-game rituals, some warm ups? Jay McInerney: I’m always, especially when I’m between novels, I’m always hoping that something springs into my brain, springs forth from my brain, I’m not sure which. It’s a process that, you have to be ready, I think, for inspiration. One of the things that Raymond Carver taught me was that you need be sitting at your desk virtually every day. You need to be in front of your, at that time it was a typewriter but now, in front of your computer, and you have to be trying. If you aren’t there, you aren’t trying, the muse is less likely to visit you if you’re just taking your dry cleaning downstairs or trying to flag a taxi. It’s about showing up every day and it’s about trying and it’s about being ready for the muse. Some days I sit down and I can’t seem to really get anywhere, but I have to keep doing it until something occurs to me, a sentence, a voice, a memory that sparks a flight of imagination. Frankly I’m not sure what I’m going to do next. I’m going to be pretty busy talking about this book for a little while. I’m hoping that I’m going to hear a voice, or even overhear an anecdote at the dinner table that sort of sets my mind. The Author s Process of Discovery at the Level of Language Kelton Reid: That’s cool. Are you a morning writer? Are you an evening writer? Jay McInerney: Yeah, I’m not a morning person but for some reason I find that when I wake up I need to have copious amounts of coffee and then immediately get in front of the computer. Somehow if I don t get going, if I’m not doing it by noon I just feel like the day’s getting away from me, I get discouraged and I don’t seem to be able to start up. I sit down about 9:30 in the morning and I try to stay there until I get really hungry. Obviously when I’m in the middle of a novel, this process is a little easier and I am often aware of what I’m going to be doing for three or four hours because I’m in the middle of a chapter or story. Other times I’m struggling to figure out the next sentence, the next paragraph, the next turn of events. It’s always great once you’re in the middle and you know to some extent where you’re going. I seldom know more than a chapter or two ahead where I’m going. I think that there are those writers who outline and who know what they’re doing in advance but for me it’s always a process of discovery. I think a lot of the interesting stuff happens at the level of language. I can never I’ve never sat down with an entire book in my head, beginning, middle, and end. I’m always kind of improvising. Kelton Reid: Right. Yeah I’ve heard you talk about this before, improvisation over planning. I think it’s another author called it kind of writing into the dark, which I like that idea a lot. Jay McInerney: Yeah, it’s good. How the Right Soundtrack Can Inspire Your Writing Kelton Reid: You’ve written about at least your process while you were writing Bright Lights, Big City, one of my favorites, honestly. I always thought of a soundtrack while I was reading it, that ’80s sound. I read that piece that you did where you’re talking about Joy Division which I loved so much. Do you still like to crank up the stereo to inspire yourself? Jay McInerney: Yeah I do. You’re right, Bright Lights, Big City really did have a pretty distinct period soundtrack, some of which I actually put into the novel like the Talking Heads and, I don’t know, The Cure, I guess, and bands that were contemporary. With this novel I was listening mostly to jazz and blues. Blues has been a really big passion of mine for many, many years. In fact Bright Lights, Big City comes from a Jimmy Reed song. Kelton Reid: That’s right. Jay McInerney: Lately I’ve done something I never thought I would do, which is I’ve got interested in jazz, or at least I’m a fledgling in jazz. Somebody gave me a set of these Blue Note reissues, right about the time that I was starting to write this book. I found Miles Davis, John Coltrane, I found it kind of conducive to the tone of this particular book. Along with my usuals, like Muddy Waters and Robert Johnson and Skip James, the blues guys. Kelton Reid: Absolutely. Thanks so much for joining me for this half of a tour through the writer’s process. If you enjoy The Writer Files Podcast please subscribe to the show and leave us a rating or a review on iTunes to help other writers find us. For more episodes or to just leave a comment or a question you can drop by WriterFiles.FM. You can always chat with me on Twitter @KeltonReid. Cheers, talk to you next week.

Rule breakers are the focus this July on Prince Street, those who use food to push boundaries and change culture. Chef Bun Lai forges an unexpected path for sushi-making, while staying mindful about the state of our oceans; Jay Mcinnerney stands in as his guinea pig. Sierra Tishgart explains how renegades run Take Root, a 12-seat, Michelin-stared restaurant in Brooklyn. Howie Kahn visits Ruth Rogers of London's legendary River Cafe for a lesson about how rule breaking fosters sustainability. Plus, Mike Solomonov and Eden Grinshpan wipe some hummus. Noah Bernamoff meets his maker at Katz's Deli. And Scarlett Johansson shares a poignant food memory.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Craving is the topic this month on Prince Street. A professional line-waiter explains the psychology of cult-craving. Alex Guarnaschelli tells us why she's driven to test herself in her latest challenge--stand-up comedy. When she is reunited with her mother, a young Somali-American woman discovers a sauce recipe from her country that will change her life. Mario Batali and Jay McInerney share memories of the late great novelist Jim Harrison. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this episode of Prince Street, we asked some of the most interesting people in the food world to tell us about a moment in their life when they chose the riskier path. Chef-extraordinaire Eric Ripert of Le Bernardin talks about writing his first memoir with novelist Jay McInerney; Howie Kahn talks to former U.S. Army Captain Kimberly Jung about starting Rumi Spice, her saffron exporting business in Afghanistan ; Sierra Tishgart reports on the big gamble two editors are taking by launching two print food magazines aimed at gay men. All this, plus an encounter with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Scarlett Johansson and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

During our recent Nashville trip, we luckily took the time to stop in Cottontown, TN to see what was cooking at the BriarScratch Brewery, and we were damn glad we did. We sat down with owner and master brewer, Brad Singleton, who introduced us to some fantastic beer and a ton of beer knowledge. This is a guy who is going above and beyond to bring some great tasting brews to the public. Brad is brewing with science and a keen focus on the local community and our environment. We liked the beer so much, we ended up putting off the last track to Nashville for a day and stayed near the BriarScratch tap room at Prince Street Pizza and Pub in the historic downtown of Gallatin, TN. A big thanks to Brad and the great statt at Prince Street for hanging out with us and showing a great time. And we apologize if Pat offended anyone. (Kidding Pat, you were lovely.)

Special Vinyl Set // New York City Jazz Clubs & Lofts Live Recordings Thelenious Monk- In Walked Bud/Epistrophy (Theme) (At the Five Spot, 1958) Eric Dolphy- Bee Wamp (At the Five Spot, 1961) Charles Tolliver- Drought (Live at Slugs' 1970) Charles Lloyd- Lady Gabor (Live at Slugs' 1965) Gabor Szabo Live with Charles Lloyd- Stormy Ornette Live at Prince Street- Friends and Neighbours, Vocal (Recorded live in a loft on Prince Street, New York City, 1970) Kalaparusha- Jays (Wildflowers 1, The New York Loft Jazz Sessions, Recorded at Studio Rivbea 1976) Flight to Sanity (Sonelius Smith)- The Need to Smile (Wildflowers 2, The New York Loft Jazz Sessions, Recorded at Studio Rivbea 1976) Hamiet Bluiett- Tranquil Beauty (Wildflowers 4, The New York Loft Jazz Sessions, Recorded at Studio Rivbea 1976) David Murray Big Band- Great Peace (Recorded Live at Sweet Basil, 1984

Robert Smalls Civil War Hero Commandeered Confederate Vessel! Robert Smalls began life enslaved in Beaufort, S.C. 1839.  By the time Robert Smalls made his daring bid for freedom, he had already taught himself to read.  Occasionally, an enslaved African was allowed to separate his day into "Master's time" and "Slave's time" and accumulate monies for himself. He bought  a house 511 Prince Street, Beaufort in a tax auction in 1863. Smalls married and paid $800 for the freedom of both his wife and child. Smalls' keen navigational skills earned him a job as the pilot of the Confederate gunboat The Planter in March 1861.

http://www.amishroadshow.com Come with us to discover some of the excellent art gallaries and shops along the Gallery Row section of Prince Street in Lancaster, PA. There is some beautiful art on display here, so let's digitally travel downtown and check it out.

It's the 1820s and welcome to the era of the pleasure garden, an outdoor entertainment complex delighting wealthy New Yorkers in the years before public parks. Niblo's Garden, at the corner of Broadway and Prince Street, was the greatest of them all, with an exhibit room for panoramas and one of the first proto-restaurants. But it was Niblo's Theatre that set the stage for its reputation in the 19th Century. And in 1866, a production debuted there that would change everything -- the gaudy, much-too-long spectacle The Black Crook, known as the very first Broadway musical. Music in the episode by Elgar www.boweryboyspodcast.com Support the show.

The Princess of Prince Street Helps Jiggles is another adventure with Princess. Princess has not been out that much recently as her owners have taken a lot of time off during the summer. Now that they are back at work, she is looking forward to getting out and seeing her friends and the neighbourhood. Princess waits until she is sure her owners are not coming back and then she goes out to explore. This time she heads in another direction and goes to Prince Street School to see what is going on. Sleep Tight!, Sheryl & Clark❤️