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This week, Above the Title celebrates Age Gap April with a look at Amy Heckerling's misbegotten May December romcom I Could Never Be Your Woman, starring Michelle Pfeiffer as an aging, divorced TV executive and Paul Rudd as the younger actor she falls for. We talk the film's lengthy and disastrous production, its poorly aged conception of feminism, and the ways both resonant and unsettling it seems to reflect Heckerling's biography. Plus: a young Saoirse Ronan in her first actual role, deep dives on both Pfeiffer and Rudd, and a lot of MCU talk. A weird amount of MCU talk. I actually cut a good portion of the MCU talk so just remember that when you're listening. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Comic/Actress Mollie Heckerling had a babysitter, Barbara, who decided to take on their close family friend, Gilbert Gottfried. This hilarious argument landed them on the Howard Stern Show for many episodes! Listen to Mollie recount this and many more stories growing up with her mom Amy Heckerling. Each week Hollywood's most talented people in the entertainment industry share true, personal stories on the Story Worthy Podcast. Story Worthy celebrates 15 years of podcasting in July 2025 and has over 850 episodes recorded. Christine Blackburn is the creator, host and producer of Story Worthy, Story Smash the Storytelling Game Show, and My Life In 3 Songs exclusively on Spotify. Listen to the entire episode wherever you hear podcasts. If you get a chance, will you please give Story Worthy 5 stars and a good review on Apple Podcasts? It always helps, thank you! And join the mailing list!  Follow Christine's new show, My Life In 3 Songs. Independent Podcast Producer Christine Blackburn talks to comedians about the 3 songs in their lives that have impacted them, not necessarily their favorite songs, but songs that paint a picture of the of the comedian and where they're from. Listen exclusively on Spotify. Find My Life In 3 Songs on Insta and at the website ! PLUS! Watch Story Smash The Storytelling Game Show! Comedians spin a wheel and tell TRUE 1-3 minute stories on the topic they land. You can watch episodes from the pandemic and from summer 2023 right now on YouTube. See Story Smash LIVE at the Lyric/Hyperion Theater in Los Angeles now! Check the website for upcoming dates and tickets! And here's Christine everywhere. THANK YOU!

Emilio, Madeline, and Julian finish off their cycle on High School Movies with a "Close-Up" on the great director Amy Heckerling, and a selection of her school-based films. The trio kick it off with 1982's "Fast Times at Ridgemont High," Heckerling's directorial debut and an unforgettable ensemble comedy/drama with a Cameron Crowe-penned script and career-defining performances from many of its stars. To follow, they then take a look at 1995's "Clueless," Heckerling's mid-90s, Beverly Hills-set adaptation of Jane Austen's "Emma," and a trendsetting masterpiece influential to many later movies set in high school and beyond. And to finish off, the trio shed some light on 2000's "Loser," a college film to punctuate the episode cycle, and one that may have done better critically and at the box office had Amy Heckerling been allowed more autonomy in its production. If you enjoy our podcast, please consider writing us a positive review on your podcast platform of choice. It really helps us find new listeners!Send us an email at sleeplesscinematicpod@gmail.com, and follow us on IG and TikTok @sleeplesscinematicpodOn Letterboxd? Follow Julian @julian_barthold and Madeline @patronessofcats 

Hanna, James, Britnee and Brandon discuss the arc of Amy Heckerling's art & career as a Hollywood auteur, starting with her biggest commercial hit: the talking-baby comedy Look Who's Talking (1989) https://swampflix.com/ 00:00 Welcome 02:28 Der Fan (1982) 05:36 Miller's Girl (2024) 09:35 Blue Collar (1978) 11:20 Adam Resurrected (2008) 21:28 The Sweetest Thing (2002) 26:46 Look Who's Talking (1989) 57:50 Fast Times at Ridgemont High (1982) 1:12:09 Clueless (1995) 1:20:47 I Could Never Be Your Woman (2007)

On this episode, Partner Michael Clear sits down with Larry Lipoff, CPA, TEP, CEBS, who is a Director in CohnReznick's Trusts and Estates Practice, to discuss the key takeaways from the 58th Annual Heckerling Institute on Estate Planning Conference. They dive into topics such as the “Rockefeller Waterfall,” planning with fluctuating interest rates, a possible upheaval in residential and commercial real estate, trustee liability, gift splitting, and more. Tune in as Michael and Larry break down a number of topics that will inevitably affect how practitioners advise their clients on estate planning well into the future.

Clueless stars Alicia Silverstone and tells the story of Cher who is shallow, rich and socially successful at Beverly Hills High School. She sets out to make herself responsible to improve the social lives of others. The tag line for the film is Sex. Clothes. Popularity. Whatever. This was Amy Heckerling's directorial debut. It also stars Brittany Murphy, Paul Rudd and Breckin Meyer.   Timecodes: 00:00 - DMP Ad :30 - Introduction :46 - The Film Facts 3:13 - Christi doesn't like Cher 5:35 - Heckerling adding language to the zest geist 10:41 - Was Elisha Donovan's character really evil 15:13 - Head Trauma 16:50 - Smoochie, Smoochie, Smoochie 17:25 - Driving Review 23:02 - To the Numbers   References from this episode: Colin From Accounts American Auto Thomas Guide   Watch Mike talk about his latest film at the CMCS Live Screening and Panel Talk this Saturday (February 24, 2024) on YouTube.   Next week's film will be When Harry Met Sally (1989)   Subscribe, Rate & Share Your Favorite Episodes! Thanks for tuning into today's episode of Dodge Movie Podcast with your host, Mike and Christi Dodge. If you enjoyed this episode, please head over to Apple Podcasts to subscribe and leave a rating and review. Don't forget to visit our website, connect with us on Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIn, and share your favorite episodes across social media. Email at christi@dodgemediaproductions.com Need help editing or producing your podcast, let us help you. Also, you can get 2 months free on Libsyn click here: https://signup.libsyn.com/?promo_code=SMOOCHIE

On season 9, episode 4 of Paid in Puke Podcast, we scratch the surface of Amy Heckerling's 1995 star-making high school comedy, "Clueless", starring Alicia Silverstone, Brittany Murphy, Stacey Dash, and Dan Hedeya. Heckerling wrote the script based on "Emma", the classic novel by Jane Austen.  Special guest, Katie Lee Ellison, joins us to talk about what the film meant to her as a 10-year-old living in L.A., the glaring flaws she sees today, and the ways in which this iconic film continues to influence her life.   On Keggers w/ Kids, Baxter's teen gives her modern take on this very 90s film. Plus: The Valley Horse Girl Test, and why Paul Rudd might not be as ageless as we once thought!  Find Katie Lee Ellison on her website and insta, for information about her lectures, panels, and published essays!  

Rivka and Frank are joined by television and film writer Karen DiConcetto for a material analysis of a film about materialism: Amy Heckerling's 1995 teen comedy Clueless. In today's interview, Rivka, Frank, and Karen celebrate Heckerling's brilliant script while unpacking the rampant materialism depicted by the film's Beverly Hills teenagers — and how those themes were potentially harmful to its audience, particularly young women. They also draw a line between the lead character Cher Horowitz and the liberal charity model, and even go so far as to describe this film's satire as “The Wolf of Wall Street for rich teenagers.” 

We're back this week to discuss the back-to-school films of Amy Heckerling! Heckerling is responsible for some generation-defining movies: Fast Times at Ridgemont High, Clueless, and Loser.  Plus: Danny Masterson is going to jail for a long, long time.  

Comic/Actress Mollie Heckerling (RATSO) had a babysitter who decided to take on their close family friend and Molly's - Gilbert Gottfried. This argument landed them on the Howard Stern Show, for several episodes! Listen to Mollie recount this and many more stories growing up with her mom Amy Heckerling. Follow my new show, My Life In 3 Songs! I talk to comedians about the 3 songs in their lives that have impacted them. Listen exclusively on Spotify! https://spoti.fi/3dpHX5X If you get a chance, will you please give me 5 stars and a good review on Apple? http://apple.co/1MceZ2Q https://linktr.ee/ChristineBlackburn WEBSITE- https://www.storyworthypodcast.com/ SPOTIFY- https://bit.ly/3V7pOd3 APPLE- http://apple.co/1MceZ2Q  STITCHER- https://bit.ly/3PCDiwr YOUTUBE- https://bit.ly/3jpZJDA LINKEDIN-https://www.linkedin.com/in/christine-blackburn-12a647118/ STORY SMASH-  https://www.storysmashshow.com Find My Life In 3 Songs on social media @MyLifeIn3Songs. My Life in 3 Songs is created and hosted by Christine Blackburn, (Story Worthy) #musiclovescomedy #comedylovesmusic

Amy Heckerling and Cameron Crowe's 1982 adaptation of Crowe's book 'Fast Times at Ridgemont High' is a classic that rises above the low-brow teen-sex comedy that Universal executives probably expected when they green lit the Valley-set film with a bunch of no-name actors (outside of Mr. Hand, of course), a soundtrack of artists who just so happened to mostly be represented by the film's executive producer, and a first-time director who couldn't sound or be more "New York" in Heckerling. Frequent FCAC guest Ted Jessup joins me to run through all the things that make this film exceptional and iconic.  We pay respects to Mr. Hand, Spicoli, Stacy, Linda, Brad, The Rat, Damone, Mr. Vargas, Jefferson and many more. So, please, say "Aloha" to the pod and join us, won't you? There's nothing wrong with a little information feast on OUR time, is there??  

This episode Mollie Heckerling comes back on and weighs in on the "nepo baby" article in New York Magazine and what it's like to grow up in the entertainment industry.Please join our Patreon for bonus content.  https://www.patreon.com/LE2B 

Amy Heckerling has another teen romantic comedy on the club. This time it's "Clueless" from 1995. Comedians Jeff Capri, Louis Johnson and Alex Elkin join host & corporate comic Steve Mazan to discuss it all.  Is this Heckerling's best? Was Silverstone ever better? Did you see Brittany Murphy taking off as a star after this? Does Paul Rudd look the same? Does this deserve mention in best Jane Austen adaptations? All these questions and more get answered on this week's Mazan Movie Club Podcast.  "Clueless" on IMDb Home of the Mazan Movie Club Steve Mazan on Instagram Home of Corporate Comedian Steve Mazan    

Unlike many of the immature '80s teen comedies that were obsessed with sex, the star-making Fast Times At Ridgemont High stands out for not treating it like a leering joke. Amy Heckerling's first film actually cares about the young women in the huge cast, especially Jennifer Jason Leigh. Sean Penn is uncharacteristically hilarious in one of his characteristically Method roles, but this movie belongs to JJL. She gets to be funny sometimes the way Penn and Judge Reinhold do, sure, but her story gets into dark territory like unwanted pregnancy and abortion. Heckerling and Cameron Crowe (this was his first screenplay) do a masterful job of balancing that kind of serious material with a steady string of laughs. Anyway, you don't have to scalp tickets to listen to the 452nd Ellises' Analysis, especially if you're a cool guy who's intimidated by the intense football player. Just be somebody's baaaay-by tonight. And if you want to sip some coffee while learning about Cuba and having some food, then you should become a Sparkplug Coffee customer. They'll give you a 20% discount if you use our promo code ("top100project"). Also, tweet us (@moviefiend51 and @bevellisellis) and gander at the selections on Ryan's sports movie podcast ("Scoring At The Movies").

Amy Heckerling started a project about a positive high school student for TV. She wrote several iterations before it stalled out, but when she switched agents, her new agent said it was too good for TV. So she switched it to be a feature film. And with that the foundation for Clueless was born. Join us – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – as we continue our 90s Comedies series with Heckerling's 1995 film Clueless. Here are some clues about what we talk about in our Clueless episode. The foundation for Clueless may be Heckerling's TV project, but it didn't take long for her to realize she had been pulling in elements from Jane Austen's “Emma.” Locking that in and focusing on the Beverly Hills high school set, Heckerling found the story. And it's a delight. Alicia Silverstone is the key for this film. She's perfect as Cher, delivering a performance that's authentic and kind, even while being a rich shopaholic. The rest of the cast fleshes out the film. Stacey Dash, Paul Rudd, Brittany Murphy – everyone feels perfect for the roles they play. And that holds true for the adults too. Dan Hedaya as Cher's dad? What a loveable grump. But the movie's more than the cast. Heckerling's script, which intrinsically different from Fast Times at Ridgemont High because of the RomCom nature of this story, still captures the teens of the mid-90s in action and speech. Mona May's costumes both captured the time and ended up influencing fashion for years to come. And the production design and cinematography together bring the colors and vibes to the forefront to create a hyper-realistic world. It's a delight of a film. It's not perfect, but is an easy watch and an easy one to fall in love with. Check it out then tune in to this week's episode on your podcatcher of choice. The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins! Join the conversation with movie lovers from around the world on The Next Reel's Discord channel! Film Sundries Learn more about supporting The Next Reel Film Podcast through your own membership. Watch this on Apple or Amazon, or find other places at JustWatch Script Transcript Theatrical trailer Poster artwork Original Material Flickchart Letterboxd

Amy Heckerling started a project about a positive high school student for TV. She wrote several iterations before it stalled out, but when she switched agents, her new agent said it was too good for TV. So she switched it to be a feature film. And with that the foundation for Clueless was born. Join us – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – as we continue our 90s Comedies series with Heckerling's 1995 film Clueless. Here are some clues about what we talk about in our Clueless episode. The foundation for Clueless may be Heckerling's TV project, but it didn't take long for her to realize she had been pulling in elements from Jane Austen's “Emma.” Locking that in and focusing on the Beverly Hills high school set, Heckerling found the story. And it's a delight. Alicia Silverstone is the key for this film. She's perfect as Cher, delivering a performance that's authentic and kind, even while being a rich shopaholic. The rest of the cast fleshes out the film. Stacey Dash, Paul Rudd, Brittany Murphy – everyone feels perfect for the roles they play. And that holds true for the adults too. Dan Hedaya as Cher's dad? What a loveable grump. But the movie's more than the cast. Heckerling's script, which intrinsically different from Fast Times at Ridgemont High because of the RomCom nature of this story, still captures the teens of the mid-90s in action and speech. Mona May's costumes both captured the time and ended up influencing fashion for years to come. And the production design and cinematography together bring the colors and vibes to the forefront to create a hyper-realistic world. It's a delight of a film. It's not perfect, but is an easy watch and an easy one to fall in love with. Check it out then tune in to this week's episode on your podcatcher of choice. The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins! Join the conversation with movie lovers from around the world on The Next Reel's Discord channel! Film Sundries Learn more about supporting The Next Reel Film Podcast through your own membership. Watch this on Apple or Amazon, or find other places at JustWatch Script Transcript Theatrical trailer Poster artwork Original Material Flickchart Letterboxd

This week on Liberated Confusion me and Keith debate which disney characters would be the best bank robbers until comedienne and actress Mollie Heckerling came onto our show and enlightened us that there was a whole slew of other children characters that could be bank robbers too. To find more of Mollie check out her instagram at mollieheckerling.

The second (and final) episode about my recent visit to NYC covers marching around half of Brooklyn on foot to witness a never-ending sea of hipsters taking photos of themselves in front of crap, multiple improv shows, a trip to the famous Katz's Deli, and FINALLY MEETING MOLLIE HECKERLING!!! Click here to listen to the latest episode of Papa's Basement in your browser. Apple Podcasts Google Podcasts Spotify Stitcher YouTube Follow this episode's cast on Twitter and Instagram: Mollie Heckerling - Twitter - @MollieSchmollie, Instagram - @MollieHeckerling John Papageorgiou - Twitter - @PapasBasement, Instagram - @PapasBasement

Brothers Phil & Warren are joined by the show's first returning guest, Kim, as they get routine liposuctions before deep diving into the coming of age teen comedy cult classic, Amy Heckerling's “Clueless”. Topics include: Heckerling's movies & the script's inspirations (5:00), the stars of the picture (18:35), stats & accolades (31:40), best scenes & lines (39:00), Judge Bob's recasting court (1:04:25), and the film's legacy & lore (1:29:30), plus much more.

Brothers Phil & Warren are joined by the show's first returning guest, Kim, as they get routine liposuctions before deep diving into the coming of age teen comedy cult classic, Amy Heckerling's “Clueless”. Topics include: Heckerling's movies & the script's inspirations (5:00), the stars of the picture (18:35), stats & accolades (31:40), best scenes & lines (39:00), Judge Bob's recasting court (1:04:25), and the film's legacy & lore (1:29:30), plus much more.

Comic Mollie Heckerling had a babysitter named Barbara who decided to take on their family friend- Gilbert Gottfried. This incredible argument landed them on the Howard Stern Show! Listen to Mollie recount this and many more stories growing up with her mom Amy Heckerling. This episode originally aired May 18th, 2021 Story Smash the Storytelling Game Show is back at the Hollywood Improv every month! With your host Christine Blackburn and comedians like Blaine Capatch, writer Danny Zuker, Kira Soltanovich, MaryLynn Rajskub, Melissa Peterman, Wendi McLendon-Covey, and Greg Proops! Four comedians spin the Story Worthy Wheel of Truth and tell a true 1 or 2 minute story on the topic they land. The "expert judges" comment and everyone laughs their ass off. Come! It's a blast! Check out the Story Smash website here- https://www.storysmashshow.com Plus, you can watch Story Smash the Storytelling Game Show on YouTube anytime! https://bit.ly/39OoTdw Please follow for free, rate, and review Story Worthy on Apple Podcasts here- http://apple.co/1MceZ2Q It really helps. Follow Christine and Story Worthy on Social Media- Instagram- https://www.instagram.com/storyworthy/ Twitter-https://twitter.com/StoryWorthy Facebook- https://facebook.com/StoryWorthy/ and at ChristineBlackburn.com. Thanks guys! Christine

In 1995 the greatest podcast host of all time, Frank Meyer, was born. That same year, Amy Heckerling transported the story of Jane Austen's Emma from rural England to Beverly Hills. Over the following 26 years, Clueless has become a cult hit that portrays timeless tropes of adolescence while preserving an incredible time capsule of mid-90s teenage culture. Starring Alicia Silverstone, Brittany Murphy, and Paul Rudd, Heckerling's film translates the witty repartee of Jane Austen into SoCal slang. But is this makeover of nineteenth literature "a total Betty?" Or did this teenage adaptation die during a routine liposuction? Joined by cold weather Canuck and cold-blooded lizard Faith Tetlow, Frank and Caleb discuss Jennifer's Body, National Lampoon, and even find some time to mention Clueless, the movie they are ostensibly gathered for. Follow Best Adapted Podcast @adaptedbest

Join Host Christine Blackburn to celebrate four of the best stories of 2021! First up is Actress Mollie Heckerling who talks about Gilbert Gottfried fighting with her babysitter; then Broadcaster Steve Mason recounts his days a disc jockey and doing wild stunts for charity, including being Buried Alive. Comedian Chris Gethard was at home with his baby when an odd person came to deliver their Christmas tree. It was then that Chris realized he could kill a man. And finally, Jackie "The Joke Man" Martling shares the story about a wild night out with Rodney Dangerfield in Las Vegas. Happy New Year guys! Story Smash the Storytelling Game Show is back at the Hollywood Improv every month! With your host Christine Blackburn and comedians like Blaine Capatch, writer Danny Zuker, Kira Soltanovich, MaryLynn Rajskub, Melissa Peterman, Wendi McLendon-Covey, and Greg Proops! Four comedians spin the Story Worthy Wheel of Truth and tell a true 1 or 2 minute story on the topic they land. The "expert judges" comment and everyone laughs their ass off. Come! It's a blast! Check out the Story Smash website here- https://www.storysmashshow.com Plus, you can watch Story Smash the Storytelling Game Show on YouTube anytime! https://bit.ly/39OoTdw The Story Worthy Hour & 1/2 Of Power is now once a month on the third Sunday at 7:00pm PST, at Flappers Comedy Club in Burbank California! More info on the website- https://www.storyworthypodcast.com Please follow for free, rate, and review Story Worthy on Apple Podcasts here- http://apple.co/1MceZ2Q It really helps. Follow Christine and Story Worthy on Social Media- Instagram- https://www.instagram.com/storyworthy/ Twitter-https://twitter.com/StoryWorthy Facebook- https://facebook.com/StoryWorthy/ ?and at ChristineBlackburn.com. Thanks guys! Christine

Meet Lisa Kipps Brown an entrepreneur, an author, and an expert on web access and accessibility. She is no stranger to disabilities as her father was blind and showed her constantly that his blindness was no more than a nuisance. You will discover how she entered the business of creating websites and how she has tirelessly worked to ensure that her work was inclusive for all.   Lisa will share not only her life journey, but she will describe why disrupting your now is an important opportunity for all of us to explore. You will even learn her views about the importance of web access and how she accomplishes it today including using accessiBe and its artificial intelligence website product to make her job more successful. Lisa is a real technological visionary and, yes, unstoppable. Some directories do not show full show notes. For the complete transcription please visit https://michaelhingson.com/podcast About our Guest: Author of Disrupt Your Now and Boomer Cashout, and marketing strategist behind the only NASCAR team racing to combat veteran suicide, Lisa Kipps-Brown helps entrepreneurs solve big picture problems with disruptive strategic thinking. Her natural talent for transforming basic ideas into disruptive strategy and valuable collaborations has people like Forbes 30 Under 30-listed blind PhD chemist Dr. Hoby Wedler calling her a "cognitive powerhouse." Steve Sims, author of Bluefishing, says she's a unicorn who bridges the gap between digital natives and digital immigrants. Since starting her web & marketing strategy company in 1996, Lisa has been a pioneer in business use of the web. Take it from one of her clients: "if you're not afraid of challenging the status quo, Lisa Kipps-Brown can help you build a business that's sustainable and means more than money." She's the expert you're missing, and likely didn't even know you need. No gobbledygook, guaranteed! http://lisakippsbrown.com http://disruptyournow.com About the Host: Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog. Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children's Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association's 2012 Hero Dog Awards. https://michaelhingson.com https://www.facebook.com/michael.hingson.author.speaker/ https://twitter.com/mhingson https://www.youtube.com/user/mhingson https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhingson/ accessiBe Links https://accessibe.com/ https://www.youtube.com/c/accessiBe https://www.linkedin.com/company/accessibe/mycompany/ https://www.facebook.com/accessibe/ Thanks for listening! Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it using the social media buttons on this page. Do you have some feedback or questions about this episode? Leave a comment in the section below! Subscribe to the podcast If you would like to get automatic updates of new podcast episodes, you can subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts or Stitcher. You can also subscribe in your favorite podcast app. Leave us an Apple Podcasts review Ratings and reviews from our listeners are extremely valuable to us and greatly appreciated. They help our podcast rank higher on Apple Podcasts, which exposes our show to more awesome listeners like you. If you have a minute, please leave an honest review on Apple Podcasts. Transcription Notes Michael Hingson  00:00 Access Cast and accessiBe Initiative presents Unstoppable Mindset. The podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Hi, I'm Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i  capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us.   Michael Hingson  01:20 Welcome to another episode of Unstoppable Mindset, the podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet.  Today, I think we get to do some unexpected things, at least I hope so that'll make it even more fun. But we will also talk about inclusion and diversity. Our guest is Lisa Kipps. Brown, who I met earlier this year, she's got an interesting story to tell. And we have lots of interesting experiences to discuss some of which we've kind of collaborated in from a distance and somewhere I think she'll just tell you things that you'll find interesting. So Lisa, welcome to unstoppable mindset.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  02:00 Thank you so much for having me, Michael, it's great to be with you.   Michael Hingson  02:05 So let's start with the usual tell us a little bit about you in general, share some things maybe they that you'd like people to know about you.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  02:16 Okay, well, I'm an entrepreneur, I've been an entrepreneur since 1990. And in 95, I used to be an accountant. And in 95, I discovered web design. So I ditched all the accounting stuff I was doing. And in 96, I started a web design company. So ever since then, I've been doing web and marketing strategy. And I'm now you know, because of all the platforms out there that people need less coding, and so forth. Most of what I do now is big picture strategy for companies, helping them disrupt their own business, so to get them out of a rut.   Michael Hingson  02:56 What got you into web design? I mean, why did you decide to do that from what you were doing?   Lisa Kipps-Brown  03:01 Well, I would, at the time, I owned a business that I was consulting with other small businesses. So I was working on big picture strategy anyway, but mostly within kind of the financial area. And I was also the financial controller for an international software company. But I didn't like accounting. I was really good at it, but I just didn't like it. And one of the young guys, I was the only American working for the company. And one of the coders was like, Oh, you ought to check out web design. Well, I'm 60. Michael. So back when I was in college, when you took coding, you took Fortran, which meant he had to sit there and do the punch cards. I was like, No way. I'm not doing that. Well, we also did basic and that was on a PC, but you still wasn't like immediate gratification. But he piqued my interest enough that I looked into it. And I realized, oh my gosh, I could combine my business background and my creativity and my low threshold for boredom, let's call it and I could combine all of those things and help businesses in a way that other people wouldn't be able to just because of the variety of my background, so I ditched everything accounting, and have been and have been doing everything pretty much web based ever since.   Michael Hingson  04:28 I remember being in college at UC Irvine and the first computer that I was really exposed to was an IBM 360 Of course we had IBM Selectric terminals and of course you're right Fortran and and some other things along the way. And then basic did come along. I never did learn COBOL but I did take Fortran although I don't remember a whole lot of it now and probably   Lisa Kipps-Brown  04:58 wouldn't be very easily. I hated that, you know, the punch cards and everything. But I love the logic behind, you know, when I was actually coding with web design, I loved it because it was like solving puzzles. But I didn't have to go through the misery and drudgery of sitting in line and doing the punch cards and having them compiled. So it's funny how if you can figure out what you like, like inside of yourself, not the task, but why you like things and why you don't, it will really help you find your thing in life that you're meant to do.   Michael Hingson  05:34 I remember, the first time the university got a card punching device that had an 80 character display. So you could actually put all of the characters in, proofread it, and then push the button to punch the cards. Oh, wow.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  05:54 See, we didn't have that. They may have already had it. But they may have made us do what we were doing. Because it was like, computer science 101 or whatever. I just know, I hated it.   Michael Hingson  06:06 I think yeah, but I think it was, was probably pretty sensible to have the punch card device with a display because it meant you didn't waste as many cards. It didn't change the logic or anything. It only said, Okay, did you really mean to put these characters in before you push punch. So a lot of times this, of course, none of that was usable by me directly. But I remember being involved with a number of people and observing them and talking with them. And they said it was such an an amazing improvement. Because now they made many fewer mistakes. By the time the card got punched, yes. And so that when it got punched, if it messed up, then it was a different kind of a problem. It wasn't a typo. Typically, it was perhaps a little bit of an error in logic or an error and understanding something about coding. But you're right. Programming is a wonderful way to explore and think about puzzles. It's all about logic. And as we know, the machines do just what we tell them or they did them. But we now have the the arena where we're moving more into artificial intelligence. And the day is going to come when machines really will be more unpredictable to us. Because they're thinking among themselves. Of course, science fiction writers have been writing about that for a while. And as late as Dan Brown and origin and other things like that. And of course, Ray Kurzweil talks about the singularity when we marry our brains and computer brains, and then it will be really interesting to see whose will will win out.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  07:53 But yes, it will be.   Michael Hingson  07:57 It will be interesting. But computer programming was was very fascinating. I took one year of information, computer science, and it was all required part of our degree programs and physics and so on. And and used and we use the computers a lot, we use the 360. Then we got a PDP 10 into the system. And of course, all of us just worked at remote terminals, albeit sometimes in the computer science building in the computer room, but a lot of times in physics, our access was through remote terminals in a completely different building. So it was a while actually once I joined UC Irvine before I actually got to go in and and visit the computer room and experience it close up. But it was a lot of fun.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  08:49 Yeah, it is. And you know something else funny about it. When I was in college I never studied. Well, I didn't in high school either. But I drove my my roommates crazy because I would never study but I always got A's and B's, because I just learned really easily. Then when I discovered web design, of course back then there was no Google. And there was really no resources online even without service to the learn. So I would buy all these coding books, and go to bed with my coding books. I mean, by that time I was 35. And my roommates, if they came to visit, they were like, Oh my gosh, I cannot believe you have a book and a highlighter. And I said well, it just goes to show you if you find something that you really are interested in, you know that it makes all the difference in being motivated or not.   Michael Hingson  09:40 I don't remember for sure the author but one of our computer science teachers told us that one of the standard jokes they had for a while was that when you enrolled in ICS one information computer science one. The first night the professor would say You know, our textbook is entitled Introduction to Programming. And I think the author's name was Ken Ingram, I'm not sure. But you need to read chapter one. And he told us about it, because Chapter One was literally half the book. Oh my god, you had two days to read it. It's pretty clever. But still, you know, we all learned and, and I very much enjoyed. What? Taking computer science courses, physics and so on. Did because there was logic to it. And it did create and answer puzzles. And it was always fun when you when you got a puzzle that you had to, to work on figuring out whether it was programming it or especially when you get into physics and dealing with a lot of the theories and expanding on them. It's all about puzzles.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  10:54 Yes, for sure. Just so was your major physics?   Michael Hingson  10:59 Yes. I love that. My master's is in physics.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  11:02 Okay. Okay. I didn't realize that. That's cool. So it   Michael Hingson  11:07 was a it was a lot of fun. And I did, I did pretty well with it. I did study a lot I needed to do that. Partly, I think for me, also, was that I had challenges with access to information, of course, being blind. Yeah, especially back in the 70s. And even earlier, but for me, the 70s information was not readily available. And when I needed a physics book, I had to get the professor's to tell me what they were going to use in class months ahead of time, which they were very resistive to doing. Because Oh, we want to wait till the last possible. Second, we want to get the latest thing. And I said, Look, here's the problem. And some of the we're not very sensitive to it. And I had to invoke pressure from part of the the university administration. And there was a person, Jan Jenkins, who later became Jan Jergens, who was the person who ran the Office of Special services for persons with disabilities at UC Irvine, and Jan told me early on, I'm not going to do things for you, I'm not going to do things for any of the people who come in here, I will facilitate for you. If you're not able to get a professor to give you the information, then I am the the person at the university who can help make that happen. And and I think that's always been the way it should be done. We have too many, we have too many college programs out where the the office does everything you want to take a test, we'll set it up for you. You You need something you just tell us we'll do it. If students don't learn that level of independence to do it themselves, if they don't learn to hire their own readers and fire their own readers. And yes, we still need people to read material from time to time, although there's now other technologies that help but if you don't learn to do those things, it doesn't serve you well later in life.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  13:09 For sure. So the books, the books for your courses, did you were you able to get them in Braille? Did you have to have somebody read it to you? Or did you buy an audio book or what the   Michael Hingson  13:21 problem was, especially in math, and physics, and so on is doing it. And they were available in recorded form sometimes. But that doesn't really work. You know, you don't, you don't study or analyze from an audio book, you need to be able to go through it, you need to be able to search it, you've got to be able to go forwards and backwards and sideways and so on. So the only way to really do it is Braille. Yeah. And Braille is a technology that any person who is blind should use and I define blindness. And we've talked about it on these podcasts a little bit. But I define blindness as a situation where if your eyesight is diminished to the point where you need to use alternatives to print to do things, no matter what the alternatives are large print, closer to television, or braille or whatever, you should consider yourself blind and learn blindness techniques. Because if you don't, especially if you're losing your eyesight and you lose the rest of it, then you're going to have to be retrained. And psychologically you haven't made that leap. So for me, getting the books in braille was important. And the reason we needed to have the information and access to the books months in advance is that back in those days, people would hand transcribe the books. My favorite transcriber, a lady named Eleanor savage who I finally got to meet years and years later, but Eleanor actually took a cruise every year around the world and what she did is she took her brailler and most of the time as part of that cruise she was transcribing physics books for me A great idea. And and she and she was great at her job. She knew the mathematical code, the Nimeth code for Braille mathematics, she was able to transcribe the books. And as a result, I was able to have the mostly on time, which, which was great.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  15:19 I totally agree with you, Michael, about people making. Basically what you're saying is people need to put themselves out of their comfort zone, because that's how we grow. And like you said, you need to be prepared. I have, I have a vision issue that it doesn't interfere too much with me now, but I never know when it might. And so I do things like when I get up at night, and I will do this anyway. But I don't ever turn on the lights when I get on it. Get up at night, I do things like that, to force myself to think without seeing being able to act without see.   Michael Hingson  15:52 Right? Well, what what got you into this mode of really thinking about doing things without eyesight?   Lisa Kipps-Brown  15:59 Well, my father was blind, he was not born blind, he started losing his sight when he was eight. And both of his retinas detached. So by the time he was, I guess, probably 16, he was totally blind. So of course, he never saw us, or anything. But growing up around him, he was just daddy to us. You know, we didn't think about him being blind, because he was just there, he rode horses, he shot guns, he owned his own business, he even mowed the grass. And because he would mow barefoot on because he could tell with his feet, which grass was longer and which wasn't. So when growing up around somebody like that, I didn't realize how different he was because as the city was just daddy, and you know, all of his adult friends would always be like, Oh my god, your father is so amazing. And I'm like, okay, whatever, you know. And it wasn't until I was an adult that I really realized how amazing he was. But I'm never ever one time in my life ever heard him say I can't do that. He had a lay a full woodworking shop in our basement with the lathe and all this stuff. So the point of that is that when you grow up around somebody like that, it's like osmosis, you just naturally think differently, because you're around somebody who was constantly adapting and figuring out how to do what they want to do, even if people think they shouldn't be able to. And so I realize how him losing his sight. Gave me and my sister such an advantage, just because of growing up with him.   Michael Hingson  17:45 So he learned to solve puzzles.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  17:49 Yes, yeah.   Michael Hingson  17:52 In every sense of the word, because that's, that's what it's about. I wonder what people thought when they saw him mowing the lawn barefoot. Oh, wow.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  18:02 They probably were, well, where they live. We live in a rural area. And their house was beside my grandmother's and my aunt so I don't know if really anybody saw him besides him. But people have seen him do a lot of things that they just cannot believe that he has done and um, I mean, he rode like he would do trail rides, the whole weekend long and it'd be like on his horse, it'd be like 35 miles each way. And things like that. The house that I own now is actually on a lake and when I was growing up a friend of his and it I found out after I bought it that at one of the parties that his friend had that a bunch of them were going to go waterskiing with daddy wanted to drive the boat. So they took him around the lake a couple times for him to get his bearings, and he drove the boat for the site admin to water. See, I'm not saying that was a good idea. But that was a it didn't surprise me at all that he did. And I'm sure there was a sighted person sitting beside him just in case something had gone wrong. But you know, yourself. It's almost almost like sonar y'all see, but you see in a different way than we do.   Michael Hingson  19:14 Yeah, I was thinking that probably someone sat next to him because it would be really hard to hear. Maybe not too hard. But when you're getting close to the shore, so you make the appropriate turn. There are sounds and you could learn to tell the difference from being in the middle of the lake when when you're there as opposed to being at the shore. But if it were me, I would want someone to be there just to make sure I had that information. Right now. Maybe it's because I haven't learned to do that.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  19:47 No, I cannot I didn't ask his friend that was telling me I can't imagine that they didn't have somebody beside him but just the fact most people would never dream that somebody has can't seek to do something like that. It's like going to our cabin in the mountains, it's 120 miles from our home. And you know, he'd been going up there his whole life riding in the car with different people. So if he had somebody take him up there who had never been before, and it was just them in the car, he could literally tell them every turn, yeah, like, oh, about, you know, a half a mile up the road, you're gonna go around the curb and a dip and blah, blah, blah, and it blew people's minds. But as I said earlier, he it was so ingrained in him, because he felt it and, and heard it. And that was the way he could visualize if you will, to give directions to somebody else.   Michael Hingson  20:47 Sure. Um, I know, and I can do the same thing. What really amazes me is having now used a guy dogs, most of them can be asleep on the floor in the back seat or, or up between our passenger seats in our in our van today. But they could be asleep on the floor, and wake up when we turn on to our street. Uh huh. I think that's even more amazing. Because for me, knowing where I am, when I'm traveling to and from a place on a regular basis, frankly, that's easy. Yeah. And I think that it gets back to the point, that eyesight is not the only game in town. And the reality is that we don't, as a, as a people choose to learn to use the alternative techniques that blind people do, that might enhance our own lives, as people who can see. And that's why one of the reasons it's the best training centers for blind people teach partially blind people to travel under blindfold. And then they say, Look, when you go out in the world, as long as you can see, you still have that eyesight, but use your cane in conjunction with it, and enhance what you do. And the people who adopt that philosophy, find that it really makes a great difference in how well they can function and how well they do function. Because they've learned the techniques, and they've psychologically accepted that there's nothing wrong with being blind.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  22:26 I love that. That's great.   Michael Hingson  22:29 So it makes perfect sense to do. And, and it's, it's something that I wish more people would would recognize. And it's kind of why I adopted in our book, Thunder dog, in this section called guide dog wisdom. One of the lessons that I say we learned from Roselle on September 11, is don't let your sight get in the way of your vision.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  22:52 Oh, yeah.   Michael Hingson  22:55 Because it happens all too often.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  22:57 And, and an example that I think all of us can relate to, is Google Maps, or any map thing, somebody will be driving, and they can see the road signs or whatever. But if the map tells them to do something, and even if they see it, they're like, oh, but the map said in people, you know, it's relying too much on other things. And so that's not a really, that's not the same thing. But it does show how people will rely too much on something at the expense of something that's basically right in their face, telling them what to do.   Michael Hingson  23:36 Right? Well, and there's nothing wrong with going by what the map says. But what we don't learn to do is to use all the information to our senses. To accomplish a task, we don't use everything, we rely on one thing, we don't look at everything that's available to us to make the most intelligent decision that we can make.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  24:00 Right? So an extreme example of that would be if a street says one way do not turn in the map and saying turn, obviously you're not going to turn. But you know that that's an extreme example, and I haven't been with anybody that does that. But I've even been with people that know where they're going. And they will still turn at a different place just because the map tells them to even though they've been to the place a million times. So it's it's pretty funny how people give up their own control by defending and things like that.   Michael Hingson  24:33 I have been in cars where people did exactly what you just said they go by the map as opposed to and they have turned the wrong way. Fortunately, they weren't very busy streets. So we we survived. But still, people do that, rather than looking at everything around them. And I really wish that as a people we would teach ourselves and our parents would spend more time teaching us To observe and think and question and analyze, because, as you know, from dealing with puzzles no matter what they are, that's what it's about.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  25:10 That's right. I'll give you another example of something that he did with us that we didn't think much about it at the time, but we would have been learning from, he would play basketball with us. So we had a basketball goal that he actually built for us, he, you know, dug the hole and put the pole up and everything and the concrete, and he would play like horse and around the world, those kinds of things. And we would knock on the post of the basketball goal, so that he could get his bearings where it is. And then in his mind, you know, he would calculate the height and, and he would shoot, and he was really good at it. So think much about it. But, but when you see somebody doing those things on a regular basis, and never saying, Oh, I can't do that. I mean, literally the first time he did it, it would, he would have been like, he probably just said, Let's go play basketball or shoot basketball. And, um, so when you're around people like that, you just absorb that way of thinking, in that no challenge is too big.   Michael Hingson  26:21 And, you know, even if you don't accomplish everything in the challenge, you learn from it.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  26:28 That's right. Yeah, a lot of NASA we learned the most from our failures, don't we?   Michael Hingson  26:33 We do. And, and what's a failure? It's an opportunity to learn, like, What's the mistake? Was it a mistake when you made it? Probably not. People would judge it as a mistake. But the real question is, you did it, what do you learn from it? And if it was a mistake, can you improve upon it? I was talking with someone this morning, we're actually working toward writing a new book, called standard dog is out there still, which is our my story of being in the World Trade Center. But we're writing a new book. Originally, I talked about our thought about calling it blinded by fear or not. Because most people really are blinded by fear. And when I say blinded, I mean that they tend to just totally let fear take over and they can't deal with moving forward. They don't know how to make decisions. They lose perspective. But we actually changed the title of it. It's actually now been submitted as a proposal. So we're hoping that a publisher will pick it up. But our our latest title is a guide dogs Guide to Being brave. And we're doing it from the standpoint of Roselle, who was with me in the World Trade Center, of course, on September 11. But we talk a lot in the book about life choices. And do we go back and analyze and I was talking with my my colleague who's helping to write the book, my co author, Carrie Wyatt can't. Can you trace your life back to the choices that you've made? Can you go back and look at your choices, and see what brought you to where you are and what you learned along the way? And we both agreed, most people can't do that. And what started it was that I made the comment, I can go back and look at my life. I know the choices that I've made along the way, especially the major ones over the past many number of years now being close to 72. But I know the choices that I've made, and I know what I've learned each time from those choices. And that's invaluable.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  28:42 Yes, it is. And I remember, this is just one small example for people out there. I remember you and I speaking this past summer and you were talking about being in an airport or something and you said you wanted to get lost. So that then you could learn your way around or something to that effect you didn't somebody to just lead you to where you needed to go, that you needed to find it on your own. So you can learn from it   Michael Hingson  29:09 did a lot of that in the World Trade Center. And the value was that it got to the point where I couldn't get lost in the World Trade Center. With within a few seconds of just doing some listening and observing. I always knew where I was.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  29:23 Yeah, because everything sounds different from the different angles in the floors. And not that I can't hear it that like y'all can. But I think I am more aware of it than most people out here things in our house. I'll be like, What is that noise and my husband's like, what noise? And then I'll just go looking and looking until I trace track it down and I'll find some little something you know, yeah. That's pretty cool, though that you couldn't get lost.   Michael Hingson  29:52 Well, and the the reality is that that you could learn to do that. You know, people always say To me, well, you're blind. So your your other senses are heightened. And someone at one of the training Senator center centers, senators, they need training. One of the training centers that I've visited over the years said, Is that No, it isn't a matter of heightened senses, other than you've trained yourself to heighten your senses. And the the fact is that any number of sighted people have done that look at SEAL teams look at a lot of elite military people look at people who are very deeply involved in something or other, they become focused, and they've trained themselves to deal with a lot of those things.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  30:46 Yeah, follow through. Yeah, when I get up in the night, and I don't turn in the light. So many times you would think he would remember because we've been married 34 years now. But very frequently, it'll wake up my husband, he's like, wait, you want me to turn on the light? I'm like, no, no, turn it on. Don't turn in. I want to do it in the dark. You know, I just like the challenge.   Michael Hingson  31:09 Or, or better yet, and why aren't you learning to do that? Exactly.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  31:13 Yeah. Why do you have to turn over life for everything. And, you know, Daddy would be in the basement. He had a dim down there, and he would listen to music all the time. And somebody if somebody came to see him, and they might say something like, How do I turn the light? And he's like, why do you need light? I don't have a light. You know, he'd always give people a hard time. You don't need a light   Michael Hingson  31:32 to waste of electricity. Exactly. Yeah, well, Dick herbal Shimer, who is my geometry teacher in high school, who we've stayed very long time friends with, tells the story, and I had actually forgotten it. But he came over to our house. Once, when I was in his class, as I say, we became very close friends. And he wanted to see our ham radio setup. And my father and I were both ham radio operators by then. And we went into the den where it was all set up. And he said, I remember saying, Well, you know, I'm not able to see it very well. Can I turn the light on? And I? And I said, Well, why? Sorry, I forgot. But we'll accommodate you, you know, but yeah, it is it is what people are used to. And every time you have a power failure, what's the first thing you do you go find a candle or a flashlight, rather than maybe learning not to be so quick to use those and and raising your own senses simply by training yourself to listen, or to observe in other ways?   Lisa Kipps-Brown  32:40 Yeah, and a lot of times it's not even really that dark, even if it's in the middle of the night because the moon or you know, so be it's just such a habit for people to feel like they have to have that light.   Michael Hingson  32:54 Now then there are some people who are really scary share Heckerling, the founder, or co founder of accessiBe, tells me that one of his best friends who is blind is one of the chief coders that they work with. And this gentleman, being blind, can write code, carry on a conversation with you, and be listening to music all at the same time. Yes, scary. I don't have   Lisa Kipps-Brown  33:26 to do that. I can type and carry on a conversation at the same time. And but I don't know if I could pay attention to music, but I'm just so used to that, you know, because my husband would be like, You're not listening to me. I'm like, yeah, yes, I am. That's cool.   Michael Hingson  33:45 Well, I can type in carry on a conversation at the same time, sometimes I do realize that accuracy might not be as good or, or I know that I made a mistake. And I have to go back and correct it more as I'm typing. If I'm carrying on a conversation at the same time.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  34:01 Code is way different than just, you know, for me to just be typing something. Do writing code is way different. Because you really have to be right with that.   Michael Hingson  34:13 Well, again, you you develop a mindset and you develop and train yourself to be able to do that. I'm sure. It's very doable. It's just not something that I've learned to do. So I just choose to be jealous of that guy who can do it. Yeah. It's a life choice.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  34:30 Man, you do other things that he's probably jealous up. So   Michael Hingson  34:35 I guess probably so. So, you know, you you've done some writing, you've written some books, right?   Lisa Kipps-Brown  34:45 Yeah, I've written three, the latest one release this past summer in July.   Michael Hingson  34:52 What is that one called?   Lisa Kipps-Brown  34:53 It's called Disrupt your Now the successful entrepreneurs guide to reimagining your business and last   Michael Hingson  35:00 Tell us about that, if you would, please.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  35:02 Okay, well, over all of these decades of helping business owners, I realized that a lot of the people that I work with, they start a business and they're like, Yes, I'm gonna be my own boss, and I'm gonna, you know, control my life, and yada, yada, yada. And then before they know it, they realize they built a business that they don't even like, they don't want to own, but they're trapped. Because I'm like a job, you can't just walk away. And my theory on it is that the reason they do that is because they're paying too much attention to what everybody else is doing, instead of what they want their life to be like. So you know, people within an industry, they'll look around at competitors, or whatever, and they'll think everything they're doing, I need to do. But if you want a different type of lifestyle, then you need to do it differently than they're doing it. So like for me, even though I own a web design company that you know, there are a lot of agencies out there, they have a lot of employees, I have never wanted to have many employees, because I don't like managing people, I don't want to be tied to one place geographically, which was another reason I really loved web design when I when I on, discovered it in. So there, I like for my life, I like to be able to adapt it as I go. So like when my mom got Alzheimer's, I can adapt my business. So I like having a really agile business that I can change on a whim that somebody else who's building a business to sell, they're going to need to make different decisions than I did. And if we are copying each other, then we're not going to end up with what we wanted. So that's why I wrote the book disrupt your now. And really I tell people stop thinking someday or one day and start thinking right now, what are some things that you can do now to start making your life and your business what you want it to be?   Michael Hingson  37:11 So let me name two people, Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates. Why were they successful?   Lisa Kipps-Brown  37:19 Oh, well, part of its timing part of its doggedness, part of its vision and creativity, I'm sure that you're   Michael Hingson  37:32 well, and what I was thinking of was just in terms of what you're saying, they chose to be different. Or Jeff Bezos is another one. They, they, they envisioned what they wanted. And they were open to exploring ways to make it happen. I mean, look at what Jeff Jeff Bezos did, even though he doesn't always make things as accessible as we would like. But none of them do, actually. But Jeff Bezos created this company, to sell books, and to then later to sell other things online. And I remember for years, Amazon was not very proud, well, was not profitable. And he kept saying it's going to be and he kept doing various things until he made it successful. And make no mistake, it came from him. Yes. Steve Jobs apple. It started out and originally, the Macintosh wasn't necessarily the the greatest thing. But he worked at it. He had a vision. And then Apple took off,   Lisa Kipps-Brown  38:47 right? You know, with an Amazon, I actually the first book I wrote, and some other books that I didn't write, I actually sold those on Amazon and back in the 90s 97 to 2000, before I sold the company, and that was when most people didn't even know hadn't even heard of Amazon yet. You know, but, um, so I've been following him for many, many years. But and that's the thing, it's like people don't, they don't understand how to think differently, just like we were talking about with our senses. They get so ingrained in making decisions based on the ways that they think they're supposed to make them that they don't look at alternatives. So I'll give you a business example for me. So in 97, I was working with a client whose she owned the company that had had print products and it was a set of technical books, gods and and of course, they will print books and her husband had died of cancer. She sold up inventory, she could not afford to take it back to print. So she was gonna go bankrupt and started talking to her. Why have these three questions, Michael that? So I'm going to stick this in here at three questions that I use that I realized I got out of growing up around daddy. The first is fly. The second is why not in the third is what if. So with her without me thinking about it, I'm like, Well, why don't you figure out a way that you don't have to pay for it? And she goes, Lena, oh, how can I ever do that? Well, I actually got books pre ordered, gave people 25% discount. So by the time she had to order, she had enough money, she didn't have to pay for it. But then I was like, why not figure out a way that you can do have this product, but having in a version that you don't ever have to have print? And she's like, How could that be possible. And remember, this is 97 I so I know, we can figure out a way that you could turn the the books, each individual page into a file online for people to download, because a lot of the people that used it were marine surveyors and yacht brokers and stuff. And of course, she thought I was crazy. But I said, if you did that, you could update it constantly. You wouldn't have to wait a year or two to add the next volume. And then lastly, what if we could actually create an entire new revenue revenue stream for you? So long story short, I developed a system for her to turn the books and the individual it they later ended up being PDFs. At first, they weren't just images. But we sold subscriptions, and yearly and monthly subscriptions for professionals that needed it. But we sold daily subscriptions to Joe Blow that was interested in just researching boats, like having a glass of wine. And he's like, Oh, I think I want dreaming of having a bed. You know, we want to be able to look at technical line drawings and stuff. So we created a whole new business model. And this was in 9798. Nobody, that all of the subscription based businesses back then online, were basically internet service providers like AOL, stuff like that. And I actually sold it right before the.com bubble burst. So that's an example of nobody would have back then no, nobody would have ever thought about taking a book and turning it into something digital. And I doubt I would have if I hadn't grown up with my father, you know, just having that different mindset.   Michael Hingson  42:44 But also, you had the opportunity to ask those questions, because someone came along who had a problem? Yes. And you recognize the inspiration that came into your mind about why why not? And what if? And it seems to me the most powerful of those three questions is what if, yeah, because that's the one that really makes you vision?   Lisa Kipps-Brown  43:04 I agree. I love the whole idea. The why is the part that people are like, are you crazy? This is why it's obvious why I'm doing it. And the why not? Is then they really, it's pushing them out of their comfort zone. Oh, you know, like her? How can I have a book that's not printed? So it's like the why the why not? It's easing them to that third class question. What if? And what if is the disruptive question that think of something like your wildest dreams of what if you could do something this way? What would the craziest idea be? And there's probably a way that you can actually make it happen?   Michael Hingson  43:45 Yeah, the what if gives you the general question, then you get to the details.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  43:52 I'll give you an example, not entrepreneurial. And so I was working with a woman who had been laid off from a government job. And she said a half to get another job and government because of the retirement plan, and so forth. And but she had been really unhappy in the job. And I said, Why do you want to get back into a similar situation when you were so unhappy? And you know, you automatically have the bureaucracy and the six steps of promotion? Why not try to find something simple or something better in the private sector? And what if you could get a job with a fast growing private company, that literally there's no limit to your ability to grow that they could even create a position for you once they get to know you? So she ended up after several months of me coaching her and adapting her skills, translating her skills over and so that she would understand that yes, she did have the skill set for this. She took a job with a private company, and she's making 60% more a year than she was making. I'm like, you can take every bit of that and invest it into a retirement plan, you know, instead of being stuck down at the lower level, just so that you can have this retirement plan.   Michael Hingson  45:19 How long ago did you do this?   Lisa Kipps-Brown  45:21 This was this year.   Michael Hingson  45:23 Okay. And so the question is, since you obviously, keep in touch with her right now, is she happier?   Lisa Kipps-Brown  45:29 She loves it there. And the really cool thing, Michael, is that it's b2b. So as she's working, she's working in this place, that there's really unlimited potential, because of the kind of company it is, but she's also working with business clients. So she's making great contacts, that that also increases her opportunities in the long run, because you never know who she might meet, that they might decide they want her. Her world is just so much bigger now.   Michael Hingson  46:06 And she gets to be creative. And maybe when she was in the government job, and I don't know, but I'm assuming from my experiences in dealing with the government world, she, her creativity was very possibly greatly stifled. Now, she might have to relearn to do some of that. But she gets to be creative.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  46:26 Yes, be creative. Again, he can in people think creative means art and stuff, no creative thinking, and thinking strategically and thinking differently than than other people think. And she's really good at that. But you're right, it had gotten very stifle. So now she's having to nurture that part of herself again, because she does have the freedom to use that talent.   Michael Hingson  46:53 Well, and the other part of it is, what's wrong with questioning? Why What's wrong was saying, Well, yeah, that's the way we've always done it. But why do we need to do that? Why not explore something different? Or of course, then take it to the what if we did this instead. But But bottom line is, what's wrong with questioning and exploring, and making yourself and others think more creatively and thinking about all the various options to get the best solution?   Lisa Kipps-Brown  47:31 Actually, I think there's nothing wrong with it. And I think if more companies and even the government, but let's just stick with business, I think if more companies encourage their employees to think entrepreneurially, the then employees would be happier, they'd be more productive, they would end up in positions that they're better suited for. And the company would end up more prosperous and more valuable, if they would just allow people to think entrepreneurially. And instead of everybody being afraid, they're going to do something wrong. And everybody thinking bureaucratically,   Michael Hingson  48:10 there's a TV show that that Karen especially likes to watch, and we binge watched three episodes earlier this week, I in one of them, someone was hired to manage our actually be head chef at a restaurant. And in this restaurant, everything was done a certain way. The ketchup would go in the middle of the plate, so you could put it on easily your steak or your french fries. And what this person did was put the ketchup on the side. And management couldn't understand and wouldn't accept the concept of doing something different. And maybe there's a reason for doing that.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  49:01 What was that show?   Michael Hingson  49:04 It shows that people aren't open to new ideas are open to exploring other ways that may be better.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  49:11 For sure. Now, I mean, what is the name of the show, though?   Michael Hingson  49:14 Oh, what was the show? It's called a million little things.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  49:18 Oh, I need to watch that. Okay, I need to check that out. That sounds really good. It's   Michael Hingson  49:23 put on a few years, and she she especially really likes it. So but I think it's a very relevant point. Why is it that we have to do it a certain way and you know what, it is possible that maybe there was a lot of analysis and there was a lot of thought that went into doing something in a certain way, but then explain it will help people understand it, because if you do that one of two things will most likely happen. One is they'll say oh, okay, or they'll say, Yeah, but what if we look at this? Yeah, and, and both of those are reasonable scenarios. But it starts by accepting the fact that it's good for people to learn and understand and analyze.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  50:19 Yeah, you You are so right. Let me give you another example. Because I think it helps people learn when they have different types of examples, but I love that capture point. Um, so last year with the Cares Act, most communities when they got money for businesses, they would just divvy it up and somehow decide which businesses got how much money. So it would be a certain number of businesses, small businesses, that got you know, a chunk of money. And it just kind of stopped there. It helped them and help them keep employees on but it didn't do anything exponentially in the community. So I worked with one of my colleagues who, by the way, the tourism director there used to work for me. So I know what a creative thinker she is. And she went to her County and said, Look, I have money left in my tourism budget, can I take that and match it with the Cares Act money that we're having, and figure out a way that we can do a matching gift card campaign so that the money could also benefit, it could benefit more businesses. So what we ended up doing is, we developed a system that you could go on as a citizen and buy a $40 gift card for any of the businesses that were participating, but you only pay $20. So you as a person who lived in that community, were automatically saving $20. And then $40 went to the business, whose gift card you were buying, right? So the net effect, we turned $900,000 into 2.7 million, because they did the matching. And what was really cool is most people think, Oh, well, gift cards, they think shopping and restaurants and stuff. And there's nothing wrong with that. But we had businesses in their like daycare centers, Dentist medical centers, car repair, fuel oil. So imagine the the family who, you know, may have low wages anyway, but also maybe worried about keeping their jobs. And all of a sudden, they're able to buy these gift cards and get their childcare for half price for a few weeks. So I was really proud of that, that and you know, it's just sitting there and go, and why do we just want to give the money to a few businesses? Why not figure out a way that more businesses can benefit? And what if we could figure out a way that citizens could also benefit from it?   Michael Hingson  53:11 Why is it that bureaucracies and governments so stifle creativity? And so strongly disincentive people for being creative? Or maybe the better question is, how do we change that mindset? And I know that, in part has to come from getting the right leader to really run it. But it is so unfortunate that we we so poor, are so pervasive about not encouraging questioning, and creativity and so on. It's just so unfortunate.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  53:49 Yeah, it's like, this is the way you do it. This is it, do it this way. And growing up, we're taught to be like that, in school and everything, these this is what you do. These are the rules, and you're supposed to do it. And, you know, I think part of it with business starts with efficiency and so forth. But I think a lot of it is fear. Because you think about it with a company, a manager, whether it's a middle manager or a top manager, they are afraid to change things because they are being judged on the performance up, and rightfully so, you know, they need to the company needs to be profitable, but it makes them more afraid to try anything that might be disruptive in a good way. You know, and but that's how the big changes come about. It's not the small things like you know, just making something that looks a little bit better. It's the disruptive changes that that changed the whole focus for industries.   Michael Hingson  54:50 Well, and they also fear that somebody come up will come up with a better idea than they have had, or maybe a better way Doing things, and this other person will get the credit and they will lose out. Yeah, and we don't recognize that a leader who truly leads also knows when to let somebody else take the lead on doing a project. And that the real leaders are the people who can direct and guide and inspire. But may or may not necessarily have the right idea or the only or the best idea, but will encourage other people to come up with ideas. And in fact, that may catapult someone else into a great position. But the true leader who adopts that mindset, is never going to fail. And they're and they're always also going to feel really good about what they did to bring this person into the, into the limelight, if you will.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  55:57 100%, I'm in total agreement with that I had a great, I have a guest on my show the other day on my Disrupt your Now show, a woman who has developed a disruptive platform for human resources. And it is so cool. And that is her whole thing about helping companies start thinking differently in managing their personnel and turning away from performance reviews, and all those things that people ate, and making it more people based and smell things along the way. So we had a conversation about this exact thing about allowing people to be more entrepreneurial.   Michael Hingson  56:40 I remember working for a company once, and I worked in a remote office, the founder and owner of the company are one of the two founders, but the president of the company was back seeing how we were doing and we went to dinner, and we were talking about salaries and what people made. And he conveyed the message that it was really unfortunate and crazy that salespeople made more money than he did. And he could not understand why anyone would think it's a problem, that the President didn't necessarily make the most amount of money in a company like that particular one, and that, that salespeople could make much more money, even if it's just in one month. But he couldn't understand how that could happen. And why that anyone would find that acceptable.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  57:43 Yeah, I've seen people like that, too. And they don't understand that if, if you don't have the people making whatever it is you're selling, if you don't have the people who can sell it, you don't have a company, so he wouldn't have a job if it weren't for those people. But people at the top, a lot of those people have too much too big of egos and too much self importance. And they automatically think that there's so much worth so much more, rather than, hey, I owe my position to them, I owe my success to them.   Michael Hingson  58:19 And in the long run the executive, if they make the company successful by hiring people, who may be in the short term make more money than they do. Those people, if they've structured a right will be fine. financially.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  58:36 Yes, yeah. everybody ends up better off,   Michael Hingson  58:42 of course, and that's as it should be. It's, it's all again, going back to the mindset, and how we choose to approach what we do and how to approach life. And so having the concept like disrupt your now is, is so important. And I could say it's unfortunate that we have to have that kind of a concept. But we do because we get so locked into a pattern that we don't look at alternatives. I'm a great Star Trek fan. And I remember watching some of the Star Trek movies like The Wrath of Khan, which, which I thought was probably about the best of the Star Trek movies. But one of the things that was talked about in that movie a lot was how people thought. And I don't know whether you watch any of the science fiction movies, but one of the the villain, as Spock put it to Captain Kirk, once tends to think in two dimensions. And of course, you're in space, which really means you can do three dimensions. And by changing Kirk's mindset with that, they won and we're able to succeed but we We don't tend to be nearly as open sometimes as we should be.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  1:00:05 Yeah, I need to go back and watch that, Michael, because I'd forgotten about that. It's been years since I've watched it. It's just easier to go, you know, the path of least resistance, get up and do the same things. Like we've always done them. It's just easier and most people prefer easy. Most people don't really want excitement. And I'm one of those people. One of my biggest fears is boredom. Just like I like making things exciting. And I like figuring out different ways to do things.   Michael Hingson  1:00:39 I'm not sure it's necessarily easier. If you have a mindset that encourages you to if some people say, think outside the box, if you think differently. In fact, if you're constantly doing that, you may find that that's easier anyway. Because you're you're looking for the easier way to get where you want to go. And both of those are part of it.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  1:01:07 Yeah, definitely. And I can tell you doing things, the accepted way is definitely not easier for me. It's, oh, gosh, it's like, it's like torture, because I'm always looking for just it doesn't have to be necessarily actually a doing something differently, son. And that's what people have a hard time understanding. I just like looking at everything. Why are we doing it this way? You know, why is it that way? Why can't it be another way?   Michael Hingson  1:01:43 And again, as long as you look at it that way, and you're open to options, you may find that the way you're already doing it is the best way.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  1:01:56 Right? Yeah. Cuz then you've got verifications.   Michael Hingson  1:01:59 There's no need to change, just to change, you should change because there's a reason to change. Exactly. Yeah. And I've been in situations where people say, Well, yeah, maybe we've always done it that way. But we're going to do it this way. Because we should try something different. Why?   Lisa Kipps-Brown  1:02:15 Exactly. Yeah. And I'll tell you, that is a big problem, when new blood comes into a company, because they want to make their mark, you know, and they want to be like, Oh, we're gonna do this big thing. You know, it might be a manager of a product line or whatever. You know, Pete, nice, er, manager or whatever. But they want to come in and do they want to try to come in and do things their way so that they have a win that then they can brag about? But many times, it's it would be better off leaving it like it is and finding something different to go after.   Michael Hingson  1:02:54 Right? That's the other part of it. Well, I have to ask you about your involvement in NASCAR and some projects with that. I know that's how we originally met you we were introduced by Herbie wetzler who we're also going to have on unstoppable mindset. But tell me about NASCAR and what you've done and what what the project is.   Lisa Kipps-Brown  1:03:19 Yeah. So this is another thing that came out of those three questions on calling Garrett is a young NASCAR driver. Three years ago, his dad contacted me to talk about strategy. I don't know if the listeners know very much about NASCAR. But it's a brutal sport, the drivers have to bring their own sponsors in. And they're basically free agents. And once a sponsor comes into NASCAR, there are very few truly new sponsors at the higher level. Usually what happens is a new sponsor will come in and then once they get in there, they realize, oh, this is really cool. You know, and then other teams try to poach them or they start looking around. So it ends up everybody's going after the same buckets of money. So with him, I said, Why do you want to go after the same same buckets of money, you've got to figure out a way that you can make yourself be the only driver that could do something for people? Why not figure out a way that you're the only one and so nobody can take your the partners who truly are the best partners for you. Nobody can take them because they are not able to do what you are able to. And then the what if became, what if you could help other people while you're doing it? Because he really wanted his career to me more than entertainment when he was older. He and his dad had had that conversation that they really wanted it to have a bigger meaning. So we ended up I'll fast forward through but we ended up on Promoting racing for heroes and the Rosie network, which are two nonprofits that help veterans and military families and racing for Heroes is suicide prevention. And they provide free mental and physical health services job training, job placement in the Rosi Network provides entrepreneur services. So we were working on this, we were promoting them pro bono, we crowdfunded the first race for 2020, we beat our goal, we had never crowdfunded, we beat our goal of 200,000, and were able to raise enough to pay for stem cell treatments for veteran with multiple sclerosis. So that made history two things of making history right there, the Crowdfunder in the stem cells. Then we brought in the first service disabled black owned, small business sponsor, we also um, we had a the opportunity for micro businesses to be part of the marketing campaign, if they gave just $10 to the crowdfund or they got to use a badge in all of their marketing, it had the NASCAR logo on it and Collins logo. So that had never been done before. And that was for veteran owned and military spouse owned businesses. That was another way for us to give back to them. And then this past summer, as you know, we had the first Braille paint scheme in NASCAR in the first blind, don't sponsor and I am very happy to say that access to be was one of the sponsors on that car. And that car was all about access, access to resources, whether it's online, or healthcare or education, or whatever. But um, oh. And we had the first blind gun sponsor, who was also Hopi Wendler. So even with COVID, we have made NASCAR history in five different ways, that are all about helping other people and that are all about bringing some kind of access to people, whether it's healthcare, job training, entrepreneurial training, yet, all those different things. And I'm just really proud to be a part of it. But it's very personal to me on many levels, because my husband is retired Navy. So I know how hard it is when they transition out of the military to fit back in, you know, into the civilian world. My grandfather killed himself when I was five. And my grandmother tried to when I was three, I mean, three years later, when I was eight. So the suicide prevention, I know had the ripple effects. And that that has, and then, of course, daddy being blind, and me being able to have Hobi, and except to be on the car and having the Braille paint scheme. All three of those things are just so important to me personally, and it just makes me feel really happy that we've been able to do it.   Michael Hingson  1:08:12 It sounds exciting, of course, it's a bigger challenge to having to do it during a COVID environment in the COVID year, but you're persevering?   Lisa Kipps-Brown  1:08:22 Yes, we are right now we are fighting to get funding for next year. And you know, still with COVID going on, we're not able to do we have really wanted to rely mostly on crowdfunding, but like everybody else, we're having to adapt. Because people, you know, average people are less able to give to campaign. So we're turning more to corporate sponsors again. But unlike other, whether it's a nonprofit or sponsorship type thing, unlike all the other people that are going after those buckets of money, we approach it as a b2b service. We talk to potential partners, and we're like, what is the biggest problem that you have in business? And how can we help you solve it, it might have nothing to do with the race car at all, you know, but by them sponsoring the car, they have access to all of us all of we we have experts who can then help them in their business. And we've done things like help a convenience store that find and vet and locate good veteran products to carry. And if you think about that, that would be hugely expensive to do. Because first you have to do the research to find the products and make sure they're good and make sure it's not something that's already in a bunch of stores. Then you also have to vet the veteran because there's so much stolen value So we have about 50,000 businesses, veteran and military spouse owned businesses in our network, and the Rosi network, one of the nonprofit's we promote, they actually already vet businesses to make sure that they truly are veteran or military spouse owned. As a matter of fact, they do that for Google. Also, they're the exclusive provider of that for Google. So with this convenience store, we already have this huge network and we could readily recommend products to them. The Ro

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Rafi Glantz is the Partner Success Manager for accessiBe. As Mike Hingson discusses near the beginning of this episode one of the advantages of being a podcast host while working for a company is that it is easy to find talent and interesting guests close at hand. Rafi is one of those gems listeners now get to meet. He was born in the United States, but moved to Israel when he was 18. Listen to his interesting story and learn how he became an Israeli Citizen, joined the military and then worked for companies in his newly adopted company. Rafi will take us on a journey of discovery including what brought him to accessiBe and all his adventures since joining the company. Some directories do not show full show notes. For the complete transcription please visit https://michaelhingson.com/podcast About the Host: Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog. Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children's Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association's 2012 Hero Dog Awards. https://michaelhingson.com https://www.facebook.com/michael.hingson.author.speaker/ https://twitter.com/mhingson https://www.youtube.com/user/mhingson https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhingson/ accessiBe Links https://accessibe.com/ https://www.youtube.com/c/accessiBe https://www.linkedin.com/company/accessibe/mycompany/ https://www.facebook.com/accessibe/ Thanks for listening! Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it using the social media buttons on this page. Do you have some feedback or questions about this episode? Leave a comment in the section below! Subscribe to the podcast If you would like to get automatic updates of new podcast episodes, you can subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts or Stitcher. You can also subscribe in your favorite podcast app. Leave us an Apple Podcasts review Ratings and reviews from our listeners are extremely valuable to us and greatly appreciated. They help our podcast rank higher on Apple Podcasts, which exposes our show to more awesome listeners like you. If you have a minute, please leave an honest review on Apple Podcasts. Transcription Notes Michael Hingson  00:00 Access Cast and accessiBe Initiative presents Unstoppable Mindset. The podcast we're inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Hi, I'm Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i  capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us.   Michael Hingson  01:21 Hi, and welcome back to another episode of Unstoppable Mindset, the podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Unexpected. It's always kind of fun. Today, I want to introduce you to Refael Glantz, we call him Rafi. We call him other things, but Rafi is what will you like that? We will call you Rafi today, and Rafi is the partner Success Manager at excessive B, you know, and he is the second person from accessibility that that we have talked with on this podcast. And why? Well, yes, it has some to do with accessibility. But even more important than that, what I find interesting is that when I have the opportunity to work for an with a company that has a lot of very talented people, it's great to be able to interview everyone and talk about their talents, without having to go far afield to as a result be able to interview lots of people with lots of interesting stories. So we don't have to go search for guests too far. Because we could just look inside in our case excessively. And it isn't always about accessibility. But by the same token, sometimes it is and sometimes excessively comes up in the conversations as I'm sure it will today. But Rafi, welcome to unstoppable mindset.   Rafi Glantz  02:40 Thanks so much for having me. I'm glad to be here.   Michael Hingson  02:43 So Rafi, you I have to say that you don't really sound like you were born in Israel.   Rafi Glantz  02:50 I was. No, I'm from Detroit originally.   Michael Hingson  02:54 Yeah, there you are see? So, um, so you are from Detroit? And when did you when did you move to Israel and what what brought you to Israel.   Rafi Glantz  03:05 That's a kind of a funny story. So it's funny, it's good that you bring that up. When I was 18, or 17, really, I was finishing high school. And we're living in Philly at the time with my family. I went to university up in Bel Air in California at American Jewish University, which no longer has undergrads, which might tell you a little bit about why I ended up dropping out. And when I turned 18, I realized, okay, I can join the military now, which is really what I wanted to do. And I ended up moving to Israel getting my citizenship here. And I did about almost three years in the military here. And then when I got out, I realized that it made more sense for me to find a job in the high tech world here, then go back to the states and pursue a degree that to be totally honest, I didn't have too much interest in anymore. What kind of a degree did you want to get? Well, I went for pre med, and what they called bioethics. And I was actually a combat medic in the Army. And so I had some interaction with that stuff. But the interaction that I had, I guess helped me realize that that was not the path that was gonna, at least I thought at the time, make me really happy.   Michael Hingson  04:21 So you, you switched, how, how difficult was it to become a citizen in Israel? I asked that because, you know, there are lots of discussions about immigration and citizenship and so on here and it'd be interesting to hear a little bit about what it's like when you when you did it over there.   Rafi Glantz  04:39 For sure. So luckily for me, it's very easy for me to prove that I'm Jewish, because my dad is a cantor and now a rabbi. So he's got a very strong body of proof to show that I am in fact Jewish and Israel has a law called the right of return. So if you are Jewish and can show it that You're essentially guaranteed citizenship here. And they have a very much streamlined process. So I had my new identity documents and everything the same day I landed. Wow. Yes is much smoother than Much, much smoother than our southern border currently.   Michael Hingson  05:15 Yes. Makes it a real challenge. Well, so I'm real nosy. How old are you now?   Rafi Glantz  05:23 Oh, I'm actually just turned 28. About two weeks ago,   Michael Hingson  05:26 congrats. excited me as an interesting company. The founders were under 30, when they formed accessibly, they were part of the 30, under 30, for Forbes in 2019. And I learned that sure Heckerling, the founder, the CEO of excessive he will be turning, I think he said 32 in January. And it's interesting, it's lots of young people, which is great. And not too many of us who have been around the industry for a long period of time. But but there are advantages and disadvantages, I suppose as long as the tribal knowledge can be passed on from people who've been there, but it's really cool to be with a company, where there's a lot of vision, and a lot of enthusiasm for, for what we're doing.   Rafi Glantz  06:16 Absolutely, it's really exciting for me as well, because to come from, you know, a world where in the United States, especially where we're really taught to defer to experience and age, and that, you know, somebody who is older and more experienced in an industry definitely knows better than you. And, you know, you shouldn't necessarily go against that grain. That's very much not the culture here. And so while of course, a lot of our startups don't succeed and don't achieve the level of success that we certainly have. It's really, really inspiring to see guys who are not that much older than me. build such a behemoth, you know, and don't you wish you'd had the idea first, oh, my God so much. But unfortunately, and I'll tell you the truth, a lot of people in sales calls and stuff like that, they'll say something like, wow, this is really impressive. How did you build it? And I said, Well, to be honest, I had absolutely nothing to do with it. But I will take all the credit you're willing to give me sir, absolutely.   Michael Hingson  07:15 Makes makes perfect sense. You know, the, the issue is that it is still a team. And I think even in the US, though I'm not seeing as much as you might think of deferring to people with a lot of experience, we we tend to, I think as a as a country look down, especially the younger people look down at a lot of older people, there's a lot of age discrimination that goes on here. And it gets pretty, pretty vigorous sometimes, which is unfortunate.   Rafi Glantz  07:48 I actually, I never want I haven't lived in the States for about 10 years. So I'm a little out of date there. But I also grew up a lot of the time in a synagogue surrounded by I guess a little bit of a different approaches, right. And I went to a religious school for a lot of my early childhood. And so that was like really drilled into me that you don't argue with the rabbi's on certain things.   Michael Hingson  08:11 So while you lived in Philadelphia, did you go look at the stairs and see if you saw rocky running up and down the stairs or hearing meal? Yo, Adrian Are any of those things?   Rafi Glantz  08:20 Just I will admit that I have yo yo words real way, many times inside the museum of art as well, which let me tell you the security guards are not fans. They've heard it before and they don't want to hear it again.   Michael Hingson  08:33 Yeah, I can imagine. I can imagine they've heard it way too many times. And not too many people probably run up and down the stairs either.   Rafi Glantz  08:44 Not anymore. Maybe they used to but right now, not not too many. I've done it a couple of times. But there there are more stairs than you would think.   Michael Hingson  08:55 Yeah. Yeah. Well, and then there are those silly people who run up and down the stairs of the Empire State Building. I'm just as confused about those people as well. So it's okay.   Rafi Glantz  09:10 Yeah, listen, I'm confused about people who run marathons. If somebody tells me they ran a marathon, I said, who chased you? Like yeah, exactly what I don't understand what what was the reason? But, you know, teach there. If that's what gets here, you know, gets you up in the morning then great.   Michael Hingson  09:26 Yeah. Well, it's the same thing as football. You don't want to play this game where everybody just beats up on you. That's fine.   Rafi Glantz  09:33 Exactly. You know, there's a great SNL sketch. I love the vintage SNL sketches. And yes, the more recent ones like they're kind of hit or miss for me, but they had a very good one with Alex Rodriguez. And Charles Barkley and then they had Kenan Thompson playing a football player. And you know the baseball play rod and and Barkley are talking about wow, you know, I played for 10 years. I played for 20 and my knees or shot or this is hurting. And the football player says, I played for 10 games, and my brain doesn't work. Which we don't want to make light of CTE but it is a very serious issue that not enough people address. So I'm at least glad it's being discussed now.   Michael Hingson  10:17 Yeah. Well, and and we do need to look at more of those things. But still people like to bang their heads together. So it's, it's okay. It's a news event for me. And that's okay.   Rafi Glantz  10:31 I think it's better than rugby. At least they wear helmets. Yeah,   Michael Hingson  10:34 at least. I was in New Zealand in 2003. We were there for about two weeks. And it was during a lot of the rugby playoffs. There are two things that went on in in New Zealand at the time. One was rugby playoffs, and they certainly are very, very loud and opinionated about rugby in teams. But even more so New Zealand had just lost the America's Cup. And they were yelling, why is it that the government doesn't take over paying for our ship our yacht so that we can win? Because Oh, it was just vigorous and horrible.   Rafi Glantz  11:16 I'm glad they've got their priorities in order. Yeah, we   Michael Hingson  11:18 certainly do believe that sports are parameters and Okay, anyway. So, so tell me, you, you moved to Israel in 2018, and enjoyed the military and worked in as a medic. And so you must have lots of interesting stories. Did you ever get to see much in the way of combat? Or were you close to it or any kind of experiences around that that you want to tell?   Rafi Glantz  11:43 I saw enough. So I actually joined the military in 2011. Or actually, sorry, 2012, because it was November 18 was November 22, something like that. 2012. And then I was in there for almost three years. And for most of my service, it was honestly very boring. Most people who do military stuff will tell you it's mostly hurry up and wait. Yeah, I have a lot of very funny stories that are not appropriate. But I can tell you that in 2014, we ended up having what some people call a war, some people call an operation in Gaza. And I had the misfortune to be involved in some capacity. And I learned that that is not a career path for me that I would much rather work in high tech. And I think one funny tidbit that I will share that I think will tell a lot of people listening just one thing about our culture is that Israel is a very, very small country. So we have what's called staging areas for the military, basically, where, you know, you park all the vehicles and leave all the soldiers in a relatively protected area, so that they can be sent to a new area as needed. Now, the public knew aware a lot of these staging areas work because it's not secret. And a lot of the soldiers you know, they're 1819 20 they're gonna call their parents and say like, Hey, here I am, everything's okay. Don't worry about me. I could not tell you how many random citizens of this country showed up to staging areas all over the place, with food, blankets, coffee cigarettes, for people who smoke everything you can imagine, over the course of a two week war, I gained about 10 pounds. I think this is maybe the only military operation in history, where the majority of the soldiers actually gained weight.   Michael Hingson  13:39 But it is nice to see that the military folks are are supported. And I understand that's what's going on. You mentioned it and I'm not sure that a lot of people really understand how large is Israel.   Rafi Glantz  13:51 It's pretty small. It's about the size of New Jersey a little bit smaller. And when you take into account the West Bank and and Gaza, it's even smaller, you know, the distance between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem even though we see it on the news all the time we hear about it, the distance between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem is like 30 miles. It is not a big place. And it's a little bit funny because you'll have experienced this Mike living in California, driving 45 minutes is not a big deal, right? Driving an hour to Costco is relatively normal. Like I'd rather if there's a Costco 40 minutes away, but I'll go in Israel, if you're driving more than 20 minutes, people will look at you like what, how can you do that in the same day? How can you come back? It's so far, because it's just a completely different standard.   Michael Hingson  14:41 It's interesting, I have met people when I lived in New Jersey, we met some people who lived in Springfield, which is no more than 10 or 15 miles outside New York City. And yet, these people who were 40 and 50 years old, never had been to New York City. It really, it is amazing to see some people how confined they, they keep their world, they have never been to New York City, much less going to upstate New York or anything like that they have just been around Elizabeth and Springfield and so on, and had never been to to New York City. It's amazing. If you know, for us, as you point out here in California, we don't think anything about that, we oftentimes will drive three and 400 miles to go from one part of California to another and think, right, not too much of it. Karen and I do a little bit more thinking about it. Today, she's got a little bit of rheumatoid arthritis, so she won't drive as far at one time. But we have, and it's normal to see that. But you know, at the same time, there's a lot of value of being around home, but not going 10 or 15 miles to the to the largest city in the country. One of the one not the largest in the world, but one of the largest in the world. And seeing all that it has to offer is really a strange thought, a strange feeling.   Rafi Glantz  16:09 I couldn't agree more. And you know, what I we have a lot of what we call taboo to my life, which basically means Culture Day on Sunday. So when you're in the army, they'll take you for like a special trip on Sundays to see a historical site or to see the western wall or something like that. There's a lot of kids who live in a country the size of New Jersey who've never seen the wall or the Dome of the Rock or all of those, you know, very holy sites that Jerusalem so famous for in prison.   Michael Hingson  16:38 Yeah. And go figure and and I think it's a great loss not to visit, or at least learn about a lot of those places. I think that the people who don't do that miss so much about the rich culture of wherever they live.   Rafi Glantz  16:54 Definitely. I, like looking back, I would have liked to spend more time, you know, investigating City Hall in Philadelphia, and not just for all the relatively corrupt things that happened. Just kidding. But that'd be fun. It would necessary certainly be nice.   Michael Hingson  17:13 Yeah, it's an interesting and interesting place. And, you know, we got to deal with politics as we deal with it. So I'm still with Mark Twain. I wonder if God had been a man because he was disappointed in the monkeys. But you know, we got to do.   Rafi Glantz  17:31 That's not the most unlikely theory, I've heard to say.   Michael Hingson  17:37 So you, you went to the military, and you came out and did school and so on? And what did you do before you joined accessibility?   Rafi Glantz  17:47 Well, before I joined accessiBe, I realized that in the Israeli tech scene, you know, a person who speaks English, like I do, and has a relatively acceptable phone manner, can find employment in the high tech space. So I started working in the financial technology industry, mostly just, you know, working in the crypto field, and I went in whatever I do, my philosophy is that, you know, you should dive into it as deep as you can, and learn everything that you can about it. Because you never know, like, what's going to come in handy and how much information you'll need. And particularly in the crypto world, it's, it was such a new field at the time I'm talking, you know, 2016 2017, it was such a new field, that there really were no experts. So if you were willing to put in the time and Google things and study, you know, you were as much of an expert as anybody could find. And the problem of course, being that it's expanded so much that nobody could possibly keep up to date on everything that's going on. But that was that was sort of my first foray into the real high tech world.   Michael Hingson  18:57 So what did you do?   Rafi Glantz  18:59 Um, mostly I just did marketing and content. So I tried to connect with the communities that were behind these organizations. And I learned a little bit about how to manage marketing, but mostly it was managing people whether they were working with us on projects or whether they were doing marketing or influencer marketing or anything like that. I mostly learned how to keep my own stuff organized, and keep people on deadlines, which as you can, as you probably already know, is not the easiest thing. It's like   Michael Hingson  19:32 herding cats. Absolutely. Yes.   Rafi Glantz  19:36 So we both have cats, so   Michael Hingson  19:40 I think they weren't themselves out for the morning anyway, at least I hope so. Ours was yelling at us. Certainly Ervin has quite a down I refilled her food bowl so she's a little happier.   Rafi Glantz  19:50 Not There you go. Although I see mine just loves human food every I'm a big I love cooking that's like my Yeah, my stress relief or and every Every time I make anything with chicken, meat, fish, anything, the cat assumes it's for him. He doesn't understand that I'm not cooking for him and I've already given him. So it's, it's, it's a problem. But I always find it adorable to feed a cat pieces of cow meat, because he would never be able to get that in the wild. I can give it to,   Michael Hingson  20:21 well, ours likes her food. Although she will eat chicken. We haven't seen her eat a lot of fish. And we haven't been able to convince her to do that. So that's okay. But she she really likes her own food. But what she really loves is when she's eating, she wants to be petted. So our food dish, her food dishes up on our sink, it's a double sink with a long counter between the two sinks in the bathroom. We have to keep it up there because there are certain dogs who will probably invade the food bowl if we don't. Because he believes everything is for him. It's a laugh, he's a Labrador, but we we put the food up on the counter. But she wants to be petted while she's eating. In fact, she really likes to get rubbed all over and she'll lay down and per while she's eating, getting petted.   Rafi Glantz  21:19 That's one way to do it.   Michael Hingson  21:21 And during the during the night, at least well, I'll only let her do it one time. I told her when she started this, that she gets at one time a night. And that's it. She'll walk me until I get up in the middle of the night and feeder. So frustrating. Yeah. But, you know, animals are fun. And you know what you can't argue with all that they bring us in that we get to bring them. The fact of the matter is that all animals have personalities. And I'm sure that there are people listening to this who say I never let my cat do that. Well, you know. On the other hand, our experience unless there's some catastrophic illness is that our animals tend to live a long time. I had one guy, Doug Holland, who lived over 15 years, typically, guide dogs worked for me for 10 years or so. I've had two that didn't, but both were illness relate well, one was illness related. And one was she just really got fearful of guiding actually was my sixth dog. Marilyn, she only worked about 18 months. And then just this afraid of guiding but there were other issues with her. But even Roselle worked from 2000, I'm sorry, from 1999 to 2007. And she had for the last three years, she guided a condition known as immune mediated thrombocytopenia, which is where the platelets in the blood will be attacked by your immune system. It's something that humans get in dogs get and and eventually got to the point where she couldn't work more, but she lived for four more years. And that was okay. But we love our animals. And when we should they add so much value to us, I wish more people would take the time to really develop relationships with animals.   Rafi Glantz  23:15 Yeah, I think they, like you say they add a lot to your life. And you know, you can get your emotional validation from all kinds of different places. But in my mind, like there's nothing better than a dog because no matter what, as long as you're not abusive, and a lot of times even then that dog is going to love you and support you and be there for you until the day it dies. Yeah,   Michael Hingson  23:37 they may not trust you as well. And that's something that I talk a lot about when I when I travel and speak and talk about what guide dogs do and even the experiences of the World Trade Center. I tell people that dogs do love unconditionally, but they don't trust unconditionally. The difference. However, between dogs and humans, his dogs will generally be open to trust. I had I saw one that wasn't because she had been abused. And it took us months before we got her to trust us. But then when she did, she opened up and became a great friend for us for three years. It was in the latter part of her life. And she still lived to be 15.   Rafi Glantz  24:17 Wow. So my family has had poodles for the longest like full standard poodles and little purse dog. Yeah. And I, you know, on average, I think they're living with nine years, maybe 10. Not not quite that long. So you must you must really take care of these guys.   Michael Hingson  24:35 Yeah, every dog is a little different. We haven't had poodles, but we've had cats that lived a long time and stitch our current cat is now 12. So she'll, she'll be around quite a while yet, especially if we keep making her jump up to get her food. She's got to get around her size. We're not going to lift her up. She's tried to start to pull that one on us few times. We don't do it.   Rafi Glantz  24:59 Well, right because those cats, they'll take advantage of you. They're clever.   Michael Hingson  25:03 You think   Rafi Glantz  25:04 I met mine, he has this thing he loves knocking over glass items, doesn't care what it is if it's full of water, if it's full of juice, whatever, he will knock it right over. And the worst part is, you'll see him doing it. And I'll, I'll go, you know, I'll yell at him. However you yell at him to try and get him to stop doing something. And he will look over at me and knock it over. As he looks at me. Yeah, with no shame. No. No shame at all. Just as though it's like, oh, this is what I'm doing. This is mine. As if I as if he paid for it from IKEA. Right. You know, he doesn't understand now there's glass on the floors. He doesn't understand why I'm picking him up and trying to put him in another room. Yeah, cut his paws open.   Michael Hingson  25:53 Yeah. We haven't gotten to the point of stuffing him in a box and saying you're going to stay here for a couple of weeks, you're grounded. Work. Well, how did you come to accessiBe? How did you discover this company?   Rafi Glantz  26:09 It's actually a very funny story. So I started working at a company called Celsius network, which is in the crypto space. And people that are great, like I don't, I don't have anything negative to say about them, it just didn't really work out. And I was looking for a new role. I had some friends who worked in marketing, and they had a great marketing company called market across an inbound junction. So I spoke to them had an interview, they turned out not to be interested. And a week later, I haven't interviewed accessiBe, and I ended up getting hired. And I thought, you know, these are two totally unrelated things. Turns out market across was an early investor in excessively. So it's sort of close the loop there. And it's, I've been here for almost two and a half years now. And it has been a very, very crazy ride. You know, when I when I joined excessively, I think we had a little bit under 4000 Total customers period. And we were we just started selling in the US a few months before. And we were working out of this small office, north of Tel Aviv, it took me like an hour on a bus to get there every day there and back. And two and a half years later, we have grown just an unbelievable amount. And it's sometimes really quite surreal to see it.   Michael Hingson  27:33 It's it's an amazing company. I just learned about it literally about 12 and a half months ago, and have gotten very much involved in it and find the same sort of thing. It's an interesting ride. It's a great ride. It's it's a great company, and there are a lot of things that it's doing. So So what exactly did you start doing? And are you still doing the same thing you did? And what do you do now? Exactly?   Rafi Glantz  28:02 Ah, that's a good question. So I started out doing just regular sales, I had access to be I was one of our I guess you'd call it an account executive. And within a couple of months, it became clear that we needed somebody in the company to handle enterprise accounts. And despite not really having any specific experience doing that. The powers that be which are shared deck, LM gal pulled me into an office and said, Hey, do strategic partnerships. And I said, What's that, and they said, we'll figure it out. So there was a little bit more planning than that. But they kind of threw me into the deep end there. We built a lot of really cool partnerships with organizations like Synchro and real page and other groups whose names I won't get into right now. And from there, we realize that now we really need you know, as we grow, we need somebody who really has experience and processes and is more professional to handle that. So we brought in Darryl, who now does that and I moved over to the partner success team, which I did part time a little bit in the partner success in strategic but now I really work with our agency partners because excessively has partnerships with almost 5000 agencies in the United States and Canada. And I work with those partners to help them with essentially whatever they need accessibility wise, you know, some of them, they have a lot of technical questions that need addressing, they might not be sure how to go about making a website accessible really, and with others, there are more questions relating to how do I get my clients to want to spend money on accessibility? Because unfortunately, there are most business owners out there today. If you tell them, hey, you can make your website accessible for this and this and this, their immediate answer is, well, what happens if I don't, because I don't want to spend that money. And I don't really agree with that approach. But that is, unfortunately, their approach. So a big part of my job is arming these agency partners with the right tools and the right talk tracks and points to make and statistics that will help them explain to these business owners why accessibility makes sense, not just for their business, but also morally and legally.   Michael Hingson  30:34 So, for fun, what what's good is, what do you say? What do you say to someone? Or what would you say to someone who says, I just don't want to spend the money to make my website accessible? And I asked that, and I'll tell you why. Ask it, I'd love your thoughts on this as well, is you were well aware that over the past several months, there have been some people, and it's a relatively small number, comparatively speaking, but still, they're very vocal, who say none of this stuff works. It's not good. The companies just plain don't have good practices and so on. And the only way to do web access is to do it right from the outset, or to do it with manual coding. And I'm sure there are all sorts of other arguments that you hear, but what do you say to the person who says don't want to spend the money?   Rafi Glantz  31:24 Well, yeah, let's let's take that into points. Because I think the the don't want to spend the money is one point, and then the detractors are another, I'll address both. But let's tell because I want to spend the money. Right, so don't want to spend the money. I usually say one of two things. One is the really positive side, which is hey, 26% of American adults, according to the CDC, live with a disability, even if I cut that down to 5%, who really have trouble using websites, I know very few business owners, that wouldn't invest $50 a month to increase their market share by 5%. And to be perfectly blunt with you, sir, if you can't afford $50, for 5% more customers, your business is a bigger problem than accessibility. And I know that that sounds a little bit aggressive, but it is the case. And then I'll also mention something that you'd actually brought up in a previous, previous webinar that we did. The Nielsen data that shows that people with disabilities are the most brand loyal community, and particularly online, most businesses now are doing their best to build a supportive and positive community of customers and of users. So this is a great way to do that. And I'll also try to humanize it a little bit and say, hey, put yourself in somebody's shoes for a second, who needs to use a screen reader or Braille reader or click stick? And let's say you're looking for new shoes, right? If you go on Google, you're gonna go through 1215 websites before you even find one you can use, then by the time you do if you need shoes again, do you really think you're gonna go searching for a shoe store? No, you're gonna go back to the one that was accessible. But more than that, you're going to share it with your community. Because there are so few business owners in whatever your space is, that cater to people with disabilities, people will flock to you. And I think that that's just a general advantage of capitalism, that if you choose to stand out by being accessible, and being one of the first movers in this space, which I know, it seems like there's already a lot of activity and accessibility, but less than 2% of websites are accessible. So if you make yourself accessible, even next week, you're still one of the first movers, it sets you apart, it puts you in a new class. And it's also a great, it's a great piece of PR to put out both internally for your company culture, and externally for the world to see that you are a brand that cares about all people and takes all their money.   Michael Hingson  33:51 There you are. Well, how does how does access to be fit into that? What is it that accessibly? Does that company should take that kind of an interest in?   Rafi Glantz  34:03 That's a good question. So I'll first say that our position to my best understanding of it is that accessibility and I know this is a very San Francisco thing, say so get ready, Mike. Accessibility is more of a journey than a destination. You know, there is no such thing as 1,000% Perfect accessible website at all times, for a lot of reasons. But the real big thing is that websites change all the time. And sometimes there are things that an automated widget can't fully remediate on its own. So what we've done at accessiBe is we've created a full web accessibility hub. And we're in the process of releasing certain things now. But the big flagship product that everybody probably knows about is our automated tool, the widget, the overlay, whatever you want to call it, and that's a really big important step towards web accessibility. using that tool. You can make pretty much any website reasonably accessible. In 48 hours or less for less than $500 now depends on the size of the website, it depends on certain other factors. But that's generally the case. That being said, depending on your website structure, your needs your compliance obligations, you may want certain other things, whether that's testing by a person who actually has disabilities and can confirm that everything's working properly, or whether it's us working with you to develop best practices for your internal development, so that you can make sure that when you build new products, or you update your website, you're doing so in the most accessible way possible. To access campus, you know, we're actually creating a learning center for developers to become web accessibility developers, because I know that a lot of our marketing and conversations are about an automated solution. But we do want to empower developers to make these changes permanently. The issue is that when we looked and I say, we're not really looking for this, but when we looked, we could not find a really great comprehensive learning center for a developer to go from a JavaScript developer to an accessibility developer. And so we just made it, we're creating that we're creating access flow or creating access find, we're building this whole network so that whatever your needs are relating to accessibility, we'll be able to meet. And we're going to do our best to do that in an affordable way and an accessible way. Because we, as much as we'd love it, if everybody made accessibility, a core tenet of their business and of their approach to the web to the web, we also have to recognize that many website owners, in fact, the majority, they spend less than $1,000 a year on their entire website infrastructure. So there has to be a relatively easy and affordable way for them to achieve some modicum of compliance as well. I think   Michael Hingson  36:53 one of the important things to make sure people understand is that if you use something like excessive BS, overlay technology, it's it's AI Artificial Intelligence powered overlay, you're not suddenly saying My website is perfectly and totally accessible. But it makes a significant difference. And because of things like what you said, access flow, without going into a lot of detail about it, it will give you tools to help you determine what else needs to be done to make the website accessible in a more complete way. And that's extremely important to be able to do. You know, you have talked about I think that the right thing the the moral and ethical reasons for making your website accessible, and it's something that we should do, we don't tend to think in an inclusive way, whether it's here in the US, or in most places, although in Israel, the laws are now pretty stringent about website access, but they're not really stringent throughout the world, in that they don't absolutely mandate and require totally, that websites, for example, and apps and other things need to be accessible. And people do find ways or try to find ways to get around it in various places. Now, I don't know much about the history in Israel and what people do today. But I know we're here, even though a number of courts have said that the Americans with Disabilities Act does apply to the internet, because the ADEA does not specify brick and mortar facilities as the only places that businesses have to provide inclusion to address. But some people say well, but the ADEA was invented before the internet. And so it doesn't apply. And a couple of courts have gone along with that. So Congress needs to address it. The president needs to address it, and they haven't done that yet.   Rafi Glantz  38:58 I agree that I think one of the issues that we're dealing with that we saw and continue to see during these Facebook, or I guess now I should say meta, these Facebook hearings is that our elected officials don't seem to understand how the internet works by any stretch, and neither do judges for for the most part. I know, I know only a very few number of judges personally, but none of them are JavaScript developers, you know, none of them know how to code. It's not something that you're trained on in law school. So I think that in general, there needs to be a change in the approach to this so that there's some sort of mechanism for people to get trusted information. So they'll be able to make a reasonable decision because I do think that a lot of the decisions that have been made are being made from a place that's not as informed as it could be.   Michael Hingson  39:49 Well, I think that's true. And if you look at things like excessive BS ace audit tool, or you can go to the World Wide Web Consortium website, and Find their audit tool. There are places where you can go to say to a website, here is my website address. Tell me how accessible My website is. I think people would be really surprised. For the most part, if they found out just how inaccessible and how unintrusive most websites really are. Yeah, you know, most people   Rafi Glantz  40:23 don't think I talked to business owners and agency owners like, probably 910 12 times a day at this point. And most of them, very few of them have any hate in their heart towards people with disabilities, the real issue is that they just don't think about it. Because number one, they're busy running their business, they're, you know, chicken with their head cut off on most days anyways. But unless you have somebody in your family who has disabilities or in your community that you're close to that you work with on a regular basis or something, for most people, it's just not top of the mind. Now, not saying that should be the case by any stretch. But it's, it's a challenge for us that we need to make this more visible, for lack of a better word.   Michael Hingson  41:05 Absolutely. And, you know, the reality is that there are some who say, I'm just not going to spend any money, I can't afford to do it. But again, it's a mindset shift, if they looked at it, as you said, that is, think of all the business that you can get by making your website accessible. I think anyone who has any insight into the business concepts of the world would agree that it makes perfect sense to make your website accessible. And then when you bring things into it, like access fine, and maybe you want to explain a little bit about what that is, but access fine, also, can help make a difference for people.   Rafi Glantz  41:45 Yeah, access fine, is I talk about it on my calls a lot, because it's a huge opportunity for a business owner. So access find is the world's first search engine that is only going to display accessible results. So only accessible websites, and everybody who uses accessibility is pretty much going to be on there. So what I like to say is that if you're everybody does SEO now, right? Everybody wants to optimize their search results and get found on the internet. Well, if you're doing SEO on Google, you're competing with every other shoe store, every other hockey rink, whatever it is in the world, and certainly everyone in your area, if you're on access, find you're competing with like five other people, because nobody's accessible yet. So as frustrating as that is, it's a huge opportunity for the early movers to establish themselves.   Michael Hingson  42:33 And I want to make it clear as that access find is not just accessibly. That is it is the intent is for it to be website remediation process agnostic, as long as you are working to make your website accessible, it doesn't matter what tool you use, so long as you do it. Because the reality is, when it comes down to it, there are two things that go into making a website accessible. One is the code that somehow gets inserted somewhere that does things like label images, or label buttons and define links and so on, tells you that you have a shopping cart. And so that's that's one. But the other is specifically looking at what you do to make that website usable. And a lot of it has to do with labeling. But it also has to do sometimes with layout and other things like that. And so the issue is it doesn't matter what tool you use. But however you do it, the fact is that the evidence of you doing it is visible to audit tools that look for it. And it's visible to people who who know how to look for it. And that's what you really want to get to.   Rafi Glantz  43:56 Yeah, I mean, I, we don't care how you become accessible. If people can use your website. That's awesome. And we want to put that on access fine. And like access find is not solely an accessible thing. It's a nonprofit. And we're in partnership with the Christopher Reeve Foundation and with the Viscardi Center, and a whole bunch of other really awesome organizations that believe in the same goal that we do that whether you choose to work with us or anybody else. The goal here is accessibility. And that's actually, you know, we did this ad that I got a lot of Facebook messages from my mom's friends about this ad that we ran a national ad campaign in the US which you know all about Mike the Unstopables. And the reason the the purpose of this was not so much to sell excessively, but to sell the idea of accessibility, because like Like we said before, so few people are really aware of this at all. And of those people very, very few have it at the top of their mind.   Michael Hingson  44:55 Diversity is a term has really gone away from dealing with disabilities and I will make that argument all day. We talk about diversity when we're dealing with sexual orientation, race, and gender and so on. But disabilities don't get included in that, which is why I prefer to use the term inclusive, because either you are or you aren't. And if you're leaving anyone out, then you're not inclusive. And it's as simple as that. The fact is, as you pointed out, 20 to 26% of all people in this country and mostly throughout the world, have some sort of disability, how often were we discussed or talked about, or issues that we face brought up during last year's presidential campaign in this country? And how often are those kinds of things considered today, and it's just reality is not much.   Rafi Glantz  45:47 Yeah, and it's a real shame, because there's a massive missed opportunity, I think, you'll probably know the number better than me. But there's close to $500 billion a year in disposable income in the community. And most people are just choosing not to tap into it for some reason. It, it doesn't make sense, particularly now, in a time when we have inflation, we have supply chain problems, we have all of this stuff, and people are scrambling to find customers, you would think that they would want to access the market that's right in front of them.   Michael Hingson  46:18 One of the things that it isn't directly related to web access, but one of the issues that we face as blind people is that the cost for assistive technology, the technology that at least hopefully and does somewhat level, the playing field for us, is expensive screen readers, the software that makes computers talk and describe or verbalize what comes across the screen tools to produce Braille and so on cost money. The National Federation of the Blind has worked with Congress to get introduced into Congress the accessibility assistive technology affordability Act, which calls for a tax credit for people who purchase assistive technology to help us offset some of those costs, yet, and it was actually put into the buyback better program of Congress and Joe Biden. But it's now been dropped as they've been weeding out some of the the programs that people are debating over whether they want to include or not, that is extremely unfortunate that they would that that would even happen, because it's pretty universal thing that for us to be able to do the same things that you do, there are going to be some costs, because we have made our universe some site oriented, that we leave people out. And we've we've done that in various other ways. But even I think I could make a strong case, to a degree more with blindness than than anything else. We think that eyesight is the only game in town. And we don't tend to think about the fact that some of this technology costs, we're not saying pay for it, but give us some tax credits to help us offset some of the costs. And so there's a push right now to get that put back into the bill. But you know, we don't tend to think about people with disabilities in general. One of my favorite examples, is we watch the view everyday, Karen watches it. Now, last month was national employment, or National Disability Employment Awareness Month. I didn't hear actually, except for one time, any disability mentioned on the view in the whole month of October, and that time wasn't even relating to employment or disability awareness, other than saying how inspirational it was that a couple of people with Down syndrome were doing something. It's not inspiration, we need its recognition and understanding and a raising of expectations about society. Absolutely.   Rafi Glantz  48:54 And there's just not enough representation. For all the reasons that you point out there just isn't. I think, what was Senator Tammy Duckworth? I think she's one of the first if not the first woman with disabilities in the Senate. And I mean, she, I could not think of a more heroic story. I mean, she was a combat helicopter pilot, if I'm if I'm remembering this correctly, who was wounded in combat, and ended up becoming a United States Senator. I mean, I could not think of something that would be more appropriate to teach kids, but you rarely hear about that today. The news stories that we hear about are so much, so much less interesting and so much more depressing.   Michael Hingson  49:37 What's interesting is that she isn't the first to have a disability and be in the Senate or the House, and specifically one of our previous podcast guests, a lady named Peggy Chung, who is also known as the blind history lady, talked about the fact that before 1940, there had been three blind people in the house and to whom served in the Senate. But since then, not one single blind person has been in either house, which is kind of interesting. But really, we've gone backwards, we have gone backwards. And she makes that point during the podcast. So if people haven't heard that it's a fascinating one to go listen to. She's got some great stories. She even talks about the fact that the typewriter was originally invented for a blind person. It's a great story, you should go find it. It's, it's, it's in, in the the podcast, and   Rafi Glantz  50:29 I heard that clip on your LinkedIn, you saw that? Yeah.   Michael Hingson  50:33 Good for you. I appreciate you looking. But it's a fascinating story. And the reality is that so many people could make contributions to society, but we tend not to recognize or lose out on getting what they can offer, because we operate in the assumption that there's only one way to do things.   Rafi Glantz  50:55 Yeah. I mean, one of the things that you said initially, is something that I quote you on, I do attribute it, don't worry. But in my in my call, because I'll bring up you know, Michael Hanson, and everything. And I'll say, well, now he's our chief vision officer. But as he says, You don't need sight to be a visionary. And you know, it gets a chuckle. But it's also true, you really don't. And one of the very few experiences that I've had, that sort of, certainly not put me in your shoes, but let me feel a little bit of what it might be like, was, there's this restaurant in Tel Aviv and Jaffa, and I forget what it's called, but they put everything in complete darkness. So for about two and a half hours, you're eating, drinking being served everything, mostly by people who have disabilities, both deafness and blindness, as if you're part of that community. And initially, it was very disconcerting. And I did make sure not to wear a white shirt, of course. But it was, for lack of a better word, very eye opening.   Michael Hingson  52:00 The only problem with that, and a lot of us express this concern is if you go away from that having had challenges and you think that's how it is for for people who are blind, you're missing the point. Because the fact is just like for people who can see you learn techniques to do the things that you learn, the fact is that I'd be glad to go to that same restaurant with you and laugh at you while you're having a problem. Because I don't have that problem. Because I've learned techniques. And so there was an organization several years ago that created a website, and was called how I see it, or that's how eye see it the is Eye. And they asked their members to put up on the website, videos of themselves being blindfolded, trying to accomplish tasks. And the whole intent of it was to say see how difficult it is to do this if you're blind. And the reality is, they were so wrong by doing that. And what actually occurred was that blind people discovered it and started putting up our own videos on the same website, saying See how easy it is if you learn and actually overwhelmed the site, and eventually was taken down. And eventually there were some discussions. But it was an organization that has to do with eyesight, and blindness and so on. And they missed the whole point. The reality is that, that it's not the blindness or the eyesight. It's how you learn to deal with it. Most sighted people don't learn to be very observant, by comparison to say, a Navy Seal or someone in the military or people who learn to use their eyes or their ears extremely well. And people who truly learn to understand their senses recognize that, that in fact, there's more than one way to do things. And it isn't always about one particular sense. Absolutely.   Rafi Glantz  53:56 I think a great example of that is actually one of the guys who helped create accessories, initial solution a dt. So he's a friend of sheers. I'm imagining you might have even had the chance to meet him.   Michael Hingson  54:08 I haven't met I know about it, but I haven't met him yet.   Rafi Glantz  54:11 Okay, so get excited. But he is a really nice guy. He came in and showed us a presentation. But what really impressed me was that this guy, not only does this screen reader talk about two and a half times my normal speaking speed, and my speed is not slow. He's also listening to music and also coding while he's having everything read to him and everything. That is very impressive, regardless of any kind of ability or disability. Like I don't think that I would be able to do that. Without like you say without a lot of practice. And there are absolutely strategies and stuff that you would learn to to help you do it. But for someone like me, it's still impressive.   Michael Hingson  54:54 So I have a couple of other things. One is I want to get back To the whole issue of access, and so on, we talked all about the moral aspect of it. But the reality is there is a legal aspect of it, and what do you what do you say to people? Or let me let me combine both of them together, there have been criticisms that that people say is bad marketing to say that you shouldn't make your website accessible just because somebody might sue you. And creating that level of fear. When in reality, it does happen, and it can happen. But what do you say to people about that? And how do you deal with the people who plain say, that's wrong to even say?   Rafi Glantz  55:38 So it's an important point to bring up? And I think that number one, it's in arguable that this is a real problem. Now, could you argue it in court? Sure, you can argue whatever you want in court. But as you know, the American legal system is not 100% perfect all the time for everyone to say the least. So there is a lot of case law to show that you do need to be accessible. The real problem that we face today is the demand letter problem. And it's a lot more of a murky issue than the full on lawsuits. Because the people who send lawsuits, in my experience, much of the time, these are actually well intentioned people who actually have tested this site, they want to use the website and they can't. The demand letters, on the other hand, are coming from a relatively small number of law firms that have identified this as a great way for them to make money making settlements. And unfortunately, in our, in my opinion, particular, that tends to paint the community of people with disabilities in a very negative light. Because in my experience that I believe also in yours, your first instinct when something is not perfect, or as expected is not to sue the pants off of somebody, you're going to engage in a dialogue with them and try to get them to understand why this is something important. So when people tell me, Hey, I don't really believe I'm going to get sued. Sometimes I'll be a little bit rude and just say, Okay, wait. But what I usually will respond with is a story that actually happened to me. So about two years ago, I was in Las Vegas, right before Corona started speaking about web accessibility, and somebody interrupted me about halfway through the presentation, right when I was talking about the legalities, and he claims to own 60 locations of a payday loan company. Now, I won't defend payday loan companies, I don't understand how 3,000% interest is legal in the United States of America, that's a different conversation. But he claims to own 60 locations, and he got a demand letter from some attorney asking for $10,000 Because his website wasn't accessible. Now, this guy's never heard of accessibility before, which is puts him in the same boat as the vast majority of business owners in the United States. So he calls us lawyer and asked the Hey, what's up with what's going on? And the lawyer explains, well, listen, it's you, we shouldn't really fight this. Because if I take this to court and fight it for you, you're going to pay me $100,000. In legal fees, it's going to take like a year and a half. And we'll probably still lose, because you're not accessible. Like you haven't done any work to your website, you don't have any grounds. So he said, Okay, he wrote a check. And he started looking into how to make the rest of his websites accessible. The problem is, and this speaks a lot to the nature of many of these complaints. The day his check cleared, he got 59 more letters and had to settle for $600,000. And as much as I disagree with the business that he's in, I appreciate him having the courage to come forward and speak about it. Because this happens a lot more frequently than we realize, because most business owners who have something like this happen to them, they're not going to speak up about it, they're going to be as quiet as possible, because they don't want to get sued again, and they don't want to cast their business and themselves in a negative light.   Michael Hingson  58:49 The other part about that, though, is that his lawyer wasn't up on it enough to understand that maybe there are ways to address the issue either. Very true. I know, excessively, has interacted with a number of companies, I'm sure you've got stories about this companies that say, Hey, I'm being threatened with a lawsuit. Can you help us and that what accessiblity has done as helped in two ways. One, it's offered its its products, and when that's put on the site, that greatly mitigates a lot of the accessibility issues by just using the overlay not totally, but that it helps. And the other thing that excessive B will do is then show with its its own documentation that it creates case by case. Exactly how the, the website has become accessible. And that in fact, the the lawsuit is not justifiable. Yeah,   Rafi Glantz  59:50 I mean, I don't know the exact number anymore, but I don't even close to it. But it's it's literally in the 1000s of people who have come to us with papers already served and all Almost all those cases, we've managed to make the whole thing go away. We've never had a client successfully sued due to using our tool. And I will also say that having access to be on your website has despite what whatever detractors might want to say, which, you know, they're welcome to say whatever they want. But having accessiBe on your website has become a lot like having the ADT flag on your lawn. You know, people see that flag and realize you have a good security system. And they're a lot more likely to move on to the next victim than test it out. And we've seen that play out quite a bit in recent months.   Michael Hingson  1:00:34 What do you say to the people in there have been consumers who say that we're just not doing things the right way?   Rafi Glantz  1:00:42 I say what I said before, which is it's a journey, it's not a destination, you know, there is no one stop perfect, immediate solution for accessibility? Because it really depends on the website, it depends on how often you're updating it. What industry are you in, you know, medical, and housing have different requirements in many cases than other e commerce stores. But a real the best approach to accessibility, I think, is a comprehensive one that comes at it from multiple angles. So yeah, you want to have best practices. When you're building a website, you want to have all of the alt text and Aria labels and features on there. You also want to have an overlay widget because as you know, Mike, not everybody who's colorblind is colorblind the same way, right. So if you pick like a couple of colors to use on your website, no matter what colors you choose, they're not accessible to everybody. So I think that there's a layered approach to accessibility that can include both best practices, manual remediation after the fact and automated remediation as well, to give you the most complete picture.   Michael Hingson  1:01:48 And that's really as good as it gets that it is a journey, you know, always will be a journey. There are people who rightly say the only true real way to create an inclusive or accessible website or anything accessible is to do it right from the outset. And that's, that's, that's absolutely valid. But that means that WordPress has to build such stringent tools into its system, that any website that's created or any, any system that's created through WordPress has to be accessible before it could be released. Microsoft has to fully include accessibility in everything that it does, right from the outset, not making it an afterthought. Apple needs to do the same thing. But Apple also needs to because it has all these apps that come out of the App Store, Apple needs to mandate a basic level of accessibility that apps beat. And I have not seen that Apple requires that today. So you can create and people create all the time apps that aren't accessible. Nice, I put it that way. Because Apple, in fact, has built a level of accessibility into its products. It's it is made screen readers. And in Apple's case, it's called VoiceOver, it has made a screen reader, a part of the technology that it produces on all Macs is on on iPhones, it's on iPads. They've made their websites pretty usable. But they don't mandate the same thing about the people who come to the App Store and require that abs that websites are excuse me, apps are fully accessible, or at least accessible to the point where they can be and I understand that there are times that websites or apps are going to display videos, or let's not use videos, but images or maps that we don't know how to verbalize yet automatically, but people do need to address those issues. And we're not doing that yet.   Rafi Glantz  1:03:59 Right. And I think there's a really important point that you brought up there that there is some responsibility that lies with these big giant tech companies like WordPress, like Wix, you know, whatever name name a giant company, because, well, it's all well and good to talk about America and say, hey, you know, we need to build accessible websites. But in the developing world around the world, there are there's even less attention being paid to accessibility a lot of the time and even less budget. And that being the case, the only realistic way that many of these websites can be accessible is by these giant providers mandating and providing tools for that to be possible. Because again, I mentioned that, you know, most companies in the United States pay less than $1,000 a year for their whole website. Worldwide. That number is divided significantly. You know, there's a lot of people who pay even less and we're very proud to be able to offer our automated solution which is an important component like we said Have a layered approach to accessibility at less than 500 bucks a year. But I think you'll agree it's hard to convince someone to spend 500 on accessibility if they spent 200. On the website, you know?   Michael Hingson  1:05:11 Sure. Well, and but the reality is, again, the issue isn't mandated that somebody do it. The role modeling really has to be done by those who develop the basic technology. And so those who create WordPress design tools, WordPress that creates its design tools, or Microsoft should have the absolute best screen reader built into its technology right from the outset, and it and it doesn't. Google is the same way any of them, it isn't mandating that somebody else do it. It really needs to start with them. They really need to build in absolut

How Does Heckerling's Biggest Hit Hold Up 30+ Years Later? It's funny looking back on writer/director Amy Heckerling's 1989 romantic comedy Look Who's Talking now and thinking that studios thought it was too sexual for the genre or that women couldn't carry a comedy like this. Heckerling has said that she had to pitch the film as a talking baby voiced by a hot male comic because of that fact. Remembering that it was the 80s perhaps is all the reminder we need as to why she struggled to find a studio for the film. But the president of Tri-Star saw Heckerling's ‘quirky, offbeat sense' and greenlit the film. Lucky for all of them, it was a huge hit that led to a very successful franchise. Join us – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – as we wrap up our ‘80s Comedy with Coolidge & Heckerling' series with Heckerling's 1989 romantic comedy Look Who's Talking. Mikey's not the only one talking. We've clearly got a few things to say about Look Who's Talking. What about the movie makes it feel dated? There are definitely some derogatory comments that people just wouldn't say today, but there's more to it than that. Is it how Kirstie Alley's Molly tells everyone that she was artificially inseminated instead of coming clean about accidentally getting pregnant? Should she have had more agency and just admitted that she accidentally got pregnant? Does that feel dated, or is that relevant still today? Maybe it's that people were so surprised by a working, single woman deciding to raise a child on her own. Between this and Baby Boom it was definitely a topic at the time. We bat around a few ideas but never quite agree on why some of the elements feel dated. One thing that certainly doesn't feel dated is the relationship between Molly and John Travolta's James. They're a delightful pair and we love the chemistry they clearly have on screen. The movie also doesn't feel like it has to rush with their relationship. In the realm of romantic comedies, this works well. Pete really struggles with the talking baby conceit though. Why is it in here? It's a fun element that, when paired with Molly's fantastical dreams and visions throughout the film, lend the movie a sense of fantasy that we don't often see in romantic comedies. We like that they're doing something different with the genre here. But Bruce Willis as the baby? Pete never can quite come to terms with it, whereas Andy doesn't find any problems with it. We think largely it's one of those things you either can buy into or can't when you sit down to watch the film. But what about Heckerling's script? Do we like Molly's and James' meet-cute in the taxi cab? It has its issues, largely centered around the silly race through the city to get Molly to the hospital in time. What about the way Heckerling comes up with to keep James in Molly's life after that initial meeting? This is a potential problem for some because of the way he lies to use her mailbox for grandpa's residency, but they both handle the element realistically and because of that, we buy into it. But speaking of grandpa, it's a toothless Abe Vigoda! This is an interesting part of the script because it gives us the conclusion of the film, and to that end actually delivers on something we buy into. What we have a harder time buying into is the way James sabotages one of Molly's dates. Why? The date is clearly a schlub and she won't end up with him. Does he do it just for fun? We're not really sure. One thing we are sure of is how great Heckerling is at putting amazing soundtracks together. The music in this film is eminently listenable. Something that may not hold up as well as the music selections – the kinda creepy fetus puppet we see before Mikey's born. It's kinda fun but those eyes... yeah... just a bit creepy... What was it about this film that drew so many people in at the time? It was successful enough for them to greenlight two sequels and a TV show. Our recollection of the subsequent films is thin but it's hard to get people to realize just how massively this film was at the time. We have a great time talking about this film, which may be our least favorite in this series thus far but was still an entertaining watch and a welcome entry into the show. Check it out then tune in to hear all of these thoughts and more. The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins! Join the conversation with movie lovers from around the world on The Next Reel's Discord channel! Film Sundries Learn more about supporting The Next Reel Film Podcast through your own membership — visit TruStory FM. Watch this on Apple or Amazon, or find other places at JustWatch Script Transcript Original theatrical trailer Original poster artwork Flickchart Letterboxd

How Does Heckerling's Biggest Hit Hold Up 30+ Years Later? It's funny looking back on writer/director Amy Heckerling's 1989 romantic comedy Look Who's Talking now and thinking that studios thought it was too sexual for the genre or that women couldn't carry a comedy like this. Heckerling has said that she had to pitch the film as a talking baby voiced by a hot male comic because of that fact. Remembering that it was the 80s perhaps is all the reminder we need as to why she struggled to find a studio for the film. But the president of Tri-Star saw Heckerling's ‘quirky, offbeat sense' and greenlit the film. Lucky for all of them, it was a huge hit that led to a very successful franchise. Join us – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – as we wrap up our ‘80s Comedy with Coolidge & Heckerling' series with Heckerling's 1989 romantic comedy Look Who's Talking. Mikey's not the only one talking. We've clearly got a few things to say about Look Who's Talking. What about the movie makes it feel dated? There are definitely some derogatory comments that people just wouldn't say today, but there's more to it than that. Is it how Kirstie Alley's Molly tells everyone that she was artificially inseminated instead of coming clean about accidentally getting pregnant? Should she have had more agency and just admitted that she accidentally got pregnant? Does that feel dated, or is that relevant still today? Maybe it's that people were so surprised by a working, single woman deciding to raise a child on her own. Between this and Baby Boom it was definitely a topic at the time. We bat around a few ideas but never quite agree on why some of the elements feel dated. One thing that certainly doesn't feel dated is the relationship between Molly and John Travolta's James. They're a delightful pair and we love the chemistry they clearly have on screen. The movie also doesn't feel like it has to rush with their relationship. In the realm of romantic comedies, this works well. Pete really struggles with the talking baby conceit though. Why is it in here? It's a fun element that, when paired with Molly's fantastical dreams and visions throughout the film, lend the movie a sense of fantasy that we don't often see in romantic comedies. We like that they're doing something different with the genre here. But Bruce Willis as the baby? Pete never can quite come to terms with it, whereas Andy doesn't find any problems with it. We think largely it's one of those things you either can buy into or can't when you sit down to watch the film. But what about Heckerling's script? Do we like Molly's and James' meet-cute in the taxi cab? It has its issues, largely centered around the silly race through the city to get Molly to the hospital in time. What about the way Heckerling comes up with to keep James in Molly's life after that initial meeting? This is a potential problem for some because of the way he lies to use her mailbox for grandpa's residency, but they both handle the element realistically and because of that, we buy into it. But speaking of grandpa, it's a toothless Abe Vigoda! This is an interesting part of the script because it gives us the conclusion of the film, and to that end actually delivers on something we buy into. What we have a harder time buying into is the way James sabotages one of Molly's dates. Why? The date is clearly a schlub and she won't end up with him. Does he do it just for fun? We're not really sure. One thing we are sure of is how great Heckerling is at putting amazing soundtracks together. The music in this film is eminently listenable. Something that may not hold up as well as the music selections – the kinda creepy fetus puppet we see before Mikey's born. It's kinda fun but those eyes... yeah... just a bit creepy... What was it about this film that drew so many people in at the time? It was successful enough for them to greenlight two sequels and a TV show. Our recollection of the subsequent films is thin but it's hard to get people to realize just how massively this film was at the time. We have a great time talking about this film, which may be our least favorite in this series thus far but was still an entertaining watch and a welcome entry into the show. Check it out then tune in to hear all of these thoughts and more. The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins! Join the conversation with movie lovers from around the world on The Next Reel's Discord channel! Film Sundries Learn more about supporting The Next Reel Film Podcast through your own membership — visit TruStory FM. Watch this on Apple or Amazon, or find other places at JustWatch Script Transcript Original theatrical trailer Original poster artwork Flickchart Letterboxd

Happy Saturday, movie lovers. Let's get started. Ocean is here and he doesn't care about James Bond. And so, we're going to spend about seven minutes talking about it as news hits that in fact, casting for the double-O is up in the air again and it seems like rumors of a woman in the lead are being dashed. In our weekly Ted Lasso check-in, Tommy reports there's a backlash of sorts because Ted isn't facing enough of an uphill battle this season? Whatever. Ted is and will always be fine. He has to prove nothing... to nobody... no how. And then, in what can only be described as conversational chaos, Steve leads the team on a journey through white person resorts in White Lotus with Nine Perfect Strangers adding a dose of regret for Mare of East Town and ending in pre-sorrow on the distant planet, Arrakis. But he makes up for it all with his trailer, a take on mermaid lore we've never seen. Tommy likes documentaries that push some capital-"S" serious buttons. And Ocean gives the people what they want: No story, just web-slinging. Steve's Trailer: https://youtu.be/Da1l9xMq8Hw Tommy's Trailer: The Big Scary “S” Word Ocean's Trailer: Spider-man: No Way Home The Game: Spit It Out! This week's game comes to us courtesy of long time listener and friend of the show Ben Lott. Spit It Out is a game of simple movie trivia with a twist: thanks to a role of the dice, random questions might just trigger an embolism in the player. It's furious fun as Steve forces Tommy and Ocean to Spit It Out. THE LIST! We're talking about Real Genius on The Next Reel this week as part of our series on the 80s Comedy of Coolidge and Heckerling and the community voted that we talk about secret rooms this week to celebrate. Let's go, Lazlo. Steve's List National Treasure Being John Malkovich Young Frankenstein Tommy's List Jeepers Creepers The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo (2009) Room Ocean's List The Matrix Reloaded Mr. and Mrs. Smith The Emperor's New Groove

Happy Saturday, movie lovers. Let's get started. Ocean is here and he doesn't care about James Bond. And so, we're going to spend about seven minutes talking about it as news hits that in fact, casting for the double-O is up in the air again and it seems like rumors of a woman in the lead are being dashed. In our weekly Ted Lasso check-in, Tommy reports there's a backlash of sorts because Ted isn't facing enough of an uphill battle this season? Whatever. Ted is and will always be fine. He has to prove nothing... to nobody... no how. And then, in what can only be described as conversational chaos, Steve leads the team on a journey through white person resorts in White Lotus with Nine Perfect Strangers adding a dose of regret for Mare of East Town and ending in pre-sorrow on the distant planet, Arrakis. But he makes up for it all with his trailer, a take on mermaid lore we've never seen. Tommy likes documentaries that push some capital-"S" serious buttons. And Ocean gives the people what they want: No story, just web-slinging. Steve's Trailer: https://youtu.be/Da1l9xMq8Hw Tommy's Trailer: The Big Scary “S” Word Ocean's Trailer: Spider-man: No Way Home The Game: Spit It Out! This week's game comes to us courtesy of long time listener and friend of the show Ben Lott. Spit It Out is a game of simple movie trivia with a twist: thanks to a role of the dice, random questions might just trigger an embolism in the player. It's furious fun as Steve forces Tommy and Ocean to Spit It Out. THE LIST! We're talking about Real Genius on The Next Reel this week as part of our series on the 80s Comedy of Coolidge and Heckerling and the community voted that we talk about secret rooms this week to celebrate. Let's go, Lazlo. Steve's List National Treasure Being John Malkovich Young Frankenstein Tommy's List Jeepers Creepers The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo (2009) Room Ocean's List The Matrix Reloaded Mr. and Mrs. Smith The Emperor's New Groove

Happy Saturday, movie lovers. Let's get started. Ocean is here and he doesn't care about James Bond. And so, we're going to spend about seven minutes talking about it as news hits that in fact, casting for the double-O is up in the air again and it seems like rumors of a woman in the lead are being dashed. In our weekly Ted Lasso check-in, Tommy reports there's a backlash of sorts because Ted isn't facing enough of an uphill battle this season? Whatever. Ted is and will always be fine. He has to prove nothing... to nobody... no how.And then, in what can only be described as conversational chaos, Steve leads the team on a journey through white person resorts in White Lotus with Nine Perfect Strangers adding a dose of regret for Mare of East Town and ending in pre-sorrow on the distant planet, Arrakis. But he makes up for it all with his trailer, a take on mermaid lore we've never seen. Tommy likes documentaries that push some capital-"S" serious buttons. And Ocean gives the people what they want: No story, just web-slinging. Steve's Trailer: https://youtu.be/Da1l9xMq8Hw Tommy's Trailer: The Big Scary “S” Word Ocean's Trailer: Spider-man: No Way Home The Game: Spit It Out!This week's game comes to us courtesy of long time listener and friend of the show Ben Lott. Spit It Out is a game of simple movie trivia with a twist: thanks to a role of the dice, random questions might just trigger an embolism in the player. It's furious fun as Steve forces Tommy and Ocean to Spit It Out.THE LIST!We're talking about Real Genius on The Next Reel this week as part of our series on the 80s Comedy of Coolidge and Heckerling and the community voted that we talk about secret rooms this week to celebrate. Let's go, Lazlo.Steve's List National Treasure Being John Malkovich Young Frankenstein Tommy's List Jeepers Creepers The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo (2009) Room Ocean's List The Matrix Reloaded Mr. and Mrs. Smith The Emperor's New Groove 00:00 - Saturday Matinée • 2021.08.26 01:09 - Ocean doesn't care about James Bond 09:43 - The Ted Lasso Backlash WHAT? 14:09 - Nine Perfect Lotuses of East Town-Arrakis 17:10 - Let's Do Trailers! 33:50 - Spit It Out! 44:30 - Housekeeping! 47:38 - The List: Secret Rooms! 01:07:37 - Coming Attractions

Happy Saturday, movie lovers. Let's get started. Ocean is here and he doesn't care about James Bond. And so, we're going to spend about seven minutes talking about it as news hits that in fact, casting for the double-O is up in the air again and it seems like rumors of a woman in the lead are being dashed. In our weekly Ted Lasso check-in, Tommy reports there's a backlash of sorts because Ted isn't facing enough of an uphill battle this season? Whatever. Ted is and will always be fine. He has to prove nothing... to nobody... no how.And then, in what can only be described as conversational chaos, Steve leads the team on a journey through white person resorts in White Lotus with Nine Perfect Strangers adding a dose of regret for Mare of East Town and ending in pre-sorrow on the distant planet, Arrakis. But he makes up for it all with his trailer, a take on mermaid lore we've never seen. Tommy likes documentaries that push some capital-"S" serious buttons. And Ocean gives the people what they want: No story, just web-slinging. Steve's Trailer: https://youtu.be/Da1l9xMq8Hw Tommy's Trailer: The Big Scary “S” Word Ocean's Trailer: Spider-man: No Way Home The Game: Spit It Out!This week's game comes to us courtesy of long time listener and friend of the show Ben Lott. Spit It Out is a game of simple movie trivia with a twist: thanks to a role of the dice, random questions might just trigger an embolism in the player. It's furious fun as Steve forces Tommy and Ocean to Spit It Out.THE LIST!We're talking about Real Genius on The Next Reel this week as part of our series on the 80s Comedy of Coolidge and Heckerling and the community voted that we talk about secret rooms this week to celebrate. Let's go, Lazlo.Steve's List National Treasure Being John Malkovich Young Frankenstein Tommy's List Jeepers Creepers The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo (2009) Room Ocean's List The Matrix Reloaded Mr. and Mrs. Smith The Emperor's New Groove 00:00 - Saturday Matinée • 2021.08.26 01:09 - Ocean doesn't care about James Bond 09:43 - The Ted Lasso Backlash WHAT? 14:09 - Nine Perfect Lotuses of East Town-Arrakis 17:10 - Let's Do Trailers! 33:50 - Spit It Out! 44:30 - Housekeeping! 47:38 - The List: Secret Rooms! 01:07:37 - Coming Attractions

The fourth of five in our 80s Comedy with Coolidge and Heckerling series, and the second film directed by Martha Coolidge we've discussed on the show. So much to love in this film! It's a film about smart people that feels genuine. Plus, there's lots of popcorn too...

The fourth of five in our 80s Comedy with Coolidge and Heckerling series, and the second film directed by Martha Coolidge we've discussed on the show. So much to love in this film! It's a film about smart people that feels genuine. Plus, there's lots of popcorn too...

The producer of Real Genius, Brian Grazer, approached director Martha Coolidge a number of times, trying to convince her to direct the film. From Coolidge's perspective, the script just wasn't there. It was a juvenile, teen male-oriented comedy and just wasn't her thing. But Grazer wouldn't give up. He wanted Coolidge as director for Real Genius so the two of them talked and he agreed to bring on another screenwriter, and also let Coolidge do some uncredited rewrites as well. Coolidge was able to get the script to feel like a story about real students at a real CalTech-adjacent school and kept it from being as straightforward juvenile comedy. The result is smart and fun. Join us – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – as we continue our 80s Comedy with Coolidge & Heckerling series with Coolidge's 1985 film Real Genius. From Val Kilmer and William Atherton to the nods to CalTech to popcorn, here's what we talk about in this episode about Real Genius We both watched the new doc Val about Val Kilmer's life and recent battle with throat cancer. That put an interesting perspective on his performance here as Chris Knight, the goofball senior. To that point, we also have an opportunity to talk about how much we love his shirts throughout the movie. William Atherton is a fantastic foil as Dr. Hathaway, the mean and manipulative professor and Robert Prescott is brilliant as the nerd villain. And as it turns out, Coolidge and company didn't even realize how accurate they were being with how the government has manipulated students into working on weapons secretly for them. Speaking of weapons, we talk about how accurate Coolidge fought to be in the script and why this film has influenced so many people to become scientists. And you know how they blow up Hathaway's house with popcorn? They actually used 140 tons of popcorn for that scene. That's a lot of popcorn! (I wonder if it was GMO...?) Aside from Kilmer, we also have Gabriel Jarret, Michelle Meyrink, Jon Gries, Mark Kamiyama, Dean Devlin, and more as our students. They're all great, particularly Meyrink as Jordan and Jarret as Mitch, but we sure would've loved more in-depth characters for some of our non-white males in the group. Regardless, it's a fun group. But who is the protagonist? Is it Mitch or is it Chris? It seems we're following both. On a cursory level, it makes it a bit difficult to figure out who we're supposed to be following. But what's all this about having a separate main character and protagonist? How does that work and why would someone do it? Turns out, it's fairly complex but works well here leaving Mitch as the main character and Chris as the protagonist. What makes this film hold up so well though is the fact that Coolidge wanted to keep the science as real as possible and make school life feel accurate. From the lasers to the dorm graffiti to the party to the strange student living in the steam tunnels, it all feels real. This makes for such a great revisit after all these years. So check out the movie then tune in to this week's show. It's a strong film that is ripe for discovery or re-discovery. The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins! Join the conversation with movie lovers from around the world on The Next Reel's Discord channel! Film Sundries Learn more about supporting The Next Reel Film Podcast through your own membership — visit TruStory FM. Watch this on Apple or Amazon, or find other places at JustWatch Script Transcript Original theatrical trailer Original poster artwork Flickchart Letterboxd CalTech References I Heart Toxic Waste t-shirt Surf Nicaragua t-shirt Roy Rogers Olympic Games 1984 t-shirt Toxic Summer Games 1984 International Order for Gorillas Mythbusters episode Car vs. Rain

The producer of Real Genius, Brian Grazer, approached director Martha Coolidge a number of times, trying to convince her to direct the film. From Coolidge's perspective, the script just wasn't there. It was a juvenile, teen male-oriented comedy and just wasn't her thing. But Grazer wouldn't give up. He wanted Coolidge as director for Real Genius so the two of them talked and he agreed to bring on another screenwriter, and also let Coolidge do some uncredited rewrites as well. Coolidge was able to get the script to feel like a story about real students at a real CalTech-adjacent school and kept it from being as straightforward juvenile comedy. The result is smart and fun. Join us – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – as we continue our 80s Comedy with Coolidge & Heckerling series with Coolidge's 1985 film Real Genius. From Val Kilmer and William Atherton to the nods to CalTech to popcorn, here's what we talk about in this episode about Real Genius We both watched the new doc Val about Val Kilmer's life and recent battle with throat cancer. That put an interesting perspective on his performance here as Chris Knight, the goofball senior. To that point, we also have an opportunity to talk about how much we love his shirts throughout the movie. William Atherton is a fantastic foil as Dr. Hathaway, the mean and manipulative professor and Robert Prescott is brilliant as the nerd villain. And as it turns out, Coolidge and company didn't even realize how accurate they were being with how the government has manipulated students into working on weapons secretly for them. Speaking of weapons, we talk about how accurate Coolidge fought to be in the script and why this film has influenced so many people to become scientists. And you know how they blow up Hathaway's house with popcorn? They actually used 140 tons of popcorn for that scene. That's a lot of popcorn! (I wonder if it was GMO...?) Aside from Kilmer, we also have Gabriel Jarret, Michelle Meyrink, Jon Gries, Mark Kamiyama, Dean Devlin, and more as our students. They're all great, particularly Meyrink as Jordan and Jarret as Mitch, but we sure would've loved more in-depth characters for some of our non-white males in the group. Regardless, it's a fun group. But who is the protagonist? Is it Mitch or is it Chris? It seems we're following both. On a cursory level, it makes it a bit difficult to figure out who we're supposed to be following. But what's all this about having a separate main character and protagonist? How does that work and why would someone do it? Turns out, it's fairly complex but works well here leaving Mitch as the main character and Chris as the protagonist. What makes this film hold up so well though is the fact that Coolidge wanted to keep the science as real as possible and make school life feel accurate. From the lasers to the dorm graffiti to the party to the strange student living in the steam tunnels, it all feels real. This makes for such a great revisit after all these years. So check out the movie then tune in to this week's show. It's a strong film that is ripe for discovery or re-discovery. The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins! Join the conversation with movie lovers from around the world on The Next Reel's Discord channel! Film Sundries Learn more about supporting The Next Reel Film Podcast through your own membership — visit TruStory FM. Watch this on Apple or Amazon, or find other places at JustWatch Script Transcript Original theatrical trailer Original poster artwork Flickchart Letterboxd CalTech References I Heart Toxic Waste t-shirt Surf Nicaragua t-shirt Roy Rogers Olympic Games 1984 t-shirt Toxic Summer Games 1984 International Order for Gorillas Mythbusters episode Car vs. Rain

"But seriously, I actually have a way normal life for a teenage girl." For Episode 176, Brandon and Thomas finish off their month of Female Filmmakers with Amy Heckerling. Listen as they discuss Heckerling's entire filmography and how her personal life has a massive impact on the stories she tells. They cover films like Fast Times at Ridgemont High, Johnny Dangerously, and Clueless.  Contact Us: Facebook: @cinenation Instagram: @cinenationpodcast Twitter: @CineNationPod Medium: CineNation E-mail: cinenationpodcast@gmail.com

Director Amy Heckerling obviously did something right with her first feature film, Fast Times at Ridgemont High. For Heckerling's second feature film, she had almost double the budget that she had before. Considering her second film was a period film, that likely helped. Now it may seem that Johnny Dangerously was a strange choice after her first film captured modern teens so well, but she clearly was tuned into young audiences. Perhaps the producer and studio felt she could carry a period parody and do it in such a way to bring in young audiences. The studio, Twentieth Century Fox, needed a hit after all. And while there were decisions made that date the film, we still find it works. Join us – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – as we continue our 80s Comedy With Coolidge & Heckerling series with Heckerling's 1984 film Johnny Dangerously. Is there really much to talk about with Johnny Dangerously? You bet there is! We talk about the nature of parody films, why some work really well, and why this one may not have stood the test of time with some bigger ones like Airplane! and Blazing Saddles. All the same, we can't stop our effusive love for this film. That's likely because of the impressionable age we saw it. We think this is even more true after talking to our Discord community about it only to find many had never even heard of this film. The cast is bonkers. Michael Keaton. Joe Piscopo. Marilu Henner (theatre genius!). Peter Boyle. Maureen Stapleton. Griffin Dunne. Dom DeLuise. Danny DeVito. Ray Walston. Dick Butkus. Alan Hale Jr. Neal Israel. Jack Nance. Taylor Negron. Vincent Schiavelli. Richard Dimitri. And they all deliver. Especially Marilu Henner – what a voice! They're all clearly having fun and even when it's a big surprise to see someone like Stapleton in the film, it's clear she's having a good time. But what's with the 30s style eye makeup? Yeah, we get that it's meant to feel like we're watching a movie from the era, but it feels a bit strange when watching a color film. All the same, we don't really care too much about this. The script is chock full of laugh lines, meta humor, fourth wall breakage, and visual gags, and we laugh at most of them. It's damn funny! We're not sure why some people just don't click with it. When writing constant jokes in a script, though, you have to expect some are going to fall flat. But would it have all worked better with the original ending where Johnny dies? But seriously – what's with the weird bull joke? It took us forever, but while we were recording, we found the source Schlitz Malt Liquor ad campaign on YouTube to help make the joke make more sense. This leads to a whole conversation about the nature of timed jokes vs. timeless ones, and why jokes that are so key to the era may fall completely flat if you don't know the reference point. (All the same, check out some of the Schlitz Malt Liquor Bull commercials in our show notes. They're bonkers! Kevin Kline even turns up on one as Robin Hood!) Was this the film that saved Fox from certain bankruptcy at the end of the year? Okay, maybe that's putting a bit too much on this one film but its box office success certainly was welcome for the studio that had been struggling all year. Last but not least, what are your feelings about “Weird” Al Yankovic? He's been around for decades and whether you like his stuff or not, it's hard to argue that he's not cranking out some very clever work. His title song in this film is a lot of fun! We acknowledge that Johnny Dangerously may be a film you need to have seen when it came out and have been of a certain age to really click with it, but if you did, you're likely are like us and have strong feelings for this film. We have such a great time talking about it and reminiscing. Check it out then tune in! The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins! Join the conversation with movie lovers from around the world on The Next Reel's Discord channel! Film Sundries Learn more about supporting The Next Reel Film Podcast through your own membership — visit TruStory FM. Watch this on Amazon, or find other places at JustWatch Script Transcript Original theatrical trailer Original poster artwork Flickchart Letterboxd Schlitz Malt Liquor Bull commercials with Kool & the Gang and The Commodores, Rufus Thomas, Don Adams, Kevin Kline as Robin Hood, Richard Roundtree, Gunga Din, The Old West, Marshall Tucker Band, and more (The Teddy Roosevelt one at 2:30 is great!)

Director Amy Heckerling obviously did something right with her first feature film, Fast Times at Ridgemont High. For Heckerling's second feature film, she had almost double the budget that she had before. Considering her second film was a period film, that likely helped. Now it may seem that Johnny Dangerously was a strange choice after her first film captured modern teens so well, but she clearly was tuned into young audiences. Perhaps the producer and studio felt she could carry a period parody and do it in such a way to bring in young audiences. The studio, Twentieth Century Fox, needed a hit after all. And while there were decisions made that date the film, we still find it works. Join us – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – as we continue our 80s Comedy With Coolidge & Heckerling series with Heckerling's 1984 film Johnny Dangerously. Is there really much to talk about with Johnny Dangerously? You bet there is! We talk about the nature of parody films, why some work really well, and why this one may not have stood the test of time with some bigger ones like Airplane! and Blazing Saddles. All the same, we can't stop our effusive love for this film. That's likely because of the impressionable age we saw it. We think this is even more true after talking to our Discord community about it only to find many had never even heard of this film. The cast is bonkers. Michael Keaton. Joe Piscopo. Marilu Henner (theatre genius!). Peter Boyle. Maureen Stapleton. Griffin Dunne. Dom DeLuise. Danny DeVito. Ray Walston. Dick Butkus. Alan Hale Jr. Neal Israel. Jack Nance. Taylor Negron. Vincent Schiavelli. Richard Dimitri. And they all deliver. Especially Marilu Henner – what a voice! They're all clearly having fun and even when it's a big surprise to see someone like Stapleton in the film, it's clear she's having a good time. But what's with the 30s style eye makeup? Yeah, we get that it's meant to feel like we're watching a movie from the era, but it feels a bit strange when watching a color film. All the same, we don't really care too much about this. The script is chock full of laugh lines, meta humor, fourth wall breakage, and visual gags, and we laugh at most of them. It's damn funny! We're not sure why some people just don't click with it. When writing constant jokes in a script, though, you have to expect some are going to fall flat. But would it have all worked better with the original ending where Johnny dies? But seriously – what's with the weird bull joke? It took us forever, but while we were recording, we found the source Schlitz Malt Liquor ad campaign on YouTube to help make the joke make more sense. This leads to a whole conversation about the nature of timed jokes vs. timeless ones, and why jokes that are so key to the era may fall completely flat if you don't know the reference point. (All the same, check out some of the Schlitz Malt Liquor Bull commercials in our show notes. They're bonkers! Kevin Kline even turns up on one as Robin Hood!) Was this the film that saved Fox from certain bankruptcy at the end of the year? Okay, maybe that's putting a bit too much on this one film but its box office success certainly was welcome for the studio that had been struggling all year. Last but not least, what are your feelings about “Weird” Al Yankovic? He's been around for decades and whether you like his stuff or not, it's hard to argue that he's not cranking out some very clever work. His title song in this film is a lot of fun! We acknowledge that Johnny Dangerously may be a film you need to have seen when it came out and have been of a certain age to really click with it, but if you did, you're likely are like us and have strong feelings for this film. We have such a great time talking about it and reminiscing. Check it out then tune in! The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins! Join the conversation with movie lovers from around the world on The Next Reel's Discord channel! Film Sundries Learn more about supporting The Next Reel Film Podcast through your own membership — visit TruStory FM. Watch this on Amazon, or find other places at JustWatch Script Transcript Original theatrical trailer Original poster artwork Flickchart Letterboxd Schlitz Malt Liquor Bull commercials with Kool & the Gang and The Commodores, Rufus Thomas, Don Adams, Kevin Kline as Robin Hood, Richard Roundtree, Gunga Din, The Old West, Marshall Tucker Band, and more (The Teddy Roosevelt one at 2:30 is great!)

The story of Valley Girl is simply another Romeo & Juliet type of tale, but director Martha Coolidge captured a lot more in her film. The movie depicts an authentic look at life as a teenager in the early 80s, particularly the culture that grew out of Valley Speak and the whole concept of what a ‘valley girl' represented, not just in the San Fernando Valley but anywhere in the country. Because of this sense of authenticity, Coolidge's film has stood the test of time. Join us – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – as we continue our 80s Comedy With Coolidge & Heckerling series with Coolidge's 1983 film Valley Girl. Here's a hint at what we talk about in this episode looking at Valley Girl. Like, totally. Valspeak. Ironic or not, it was a part of our youth, for sure. How was Frank and Moon Unit Zappa's song connected to it though? And to this film? How did Martha Coolidge find the young Nicolas Cage and get him for one of her leads? And how easy is it to fall in love with Deborah Foreman? The cast is all together perfect in the film, and turns out they largely supplied their own wardrobes! Ah, indie filmmaking. There's a strong story about finding your own identity though, and that shines through strong. Martha Coolidge is as good at putting soundtracks together as Amy Heckerling is! Wall to wall music and we love it all. And how about the look that defines the two worlds? But what about the required breasts that Coolidge had to include per instructions from the executive producers? We talk about all that and more in this episode, so check it out then tune in. The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins! Join the conversation with movie lovers from around the world on The Next Reel's Discord channel! Film Sundries Learn more about supporting The Next Reel Film Podcast through your own membership — visit TruStory FM. Watch this on Apple or Amazon or find other places at JustWatch Script Transcript Original theatrical trailer Original poster artwork ”Valley Girl” • Moon Zappa Flickchart Letterboxd

The story of Valley Girl is simply another Romeo & Juliet type of tale, but director Martha Coolidge captured a lot more in her film. The movie depicts an authentic look at life as a teenager in the early 80s, particularly the culture that grew out of Valley Speak and the whole concept of what a ‘valley girl' represented, not just in the San Fernando Valley but anywhere in the country. Because of this sense of authenticity, Coolidge's film has stood the test of time. Join us – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – as we continue our 80s Comedy With Coolidge & Heckerling series with Coolidge's 1983 film Valley Girl. Here's a hint at what we talk about in this episode looking at Valley Girl. Like, totally. Valspeak. Ironic or not, it was a part of our youth, for sure. How was Frank and Moon Unit Zappa's song connected to it though? And to this film? How did Martha Coolidge find the young Nicolas Cage and get him for one of her leads? And how easy is it to fall in love with Deborah Foreman? The cast is all together perfect in the film, and turns out they largely supplied their own wardrobes! Ah, indie filmmaking. There's a strong story about finding your own identity though, and that shines through strong. Martha Coolidge is as good at putting soundtracks together as Amy Heckerling is! Wall to wall music and we love it all. And how about the look that defines the two worlds? But what about the required breasts that Coolidge had to include per instructions from the executive producers? We talk about all that and more in this episode, so check it out then tune in. The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins! Join the conversation with movie lovers from around the world on The Next Reel's Discord channel! Film Sundries Learn more about supporting The Next Reel Film Podcast through your own membership — visit TruStory FM. Watch this on Apple or Amazon or find other places at JustWatch Script Transcript Original theatrical trailer Original poster artwork ”Valley Girl” • Moon Zappa Flickchart Letterboxd

Cameron Crowe already had success as a writer when he went undercover and posed as a high school student to write his book “Fast Times at Ridgemont High: A True Story.” Of course, he was high school age so it made perfect sense, and perhaps that's why the film adapted from his book feels so authentic of the time and of these youths portrayed. And perhaps part of that is because of how first-time director Amy Heckerling approached the subject matter – for a teen sex comedy, this is actually carrying some fairly heavy themes. But how well do these themes work for us? Turns out they work really well for Andy but not as well for Pete. Still, it's a nostalgic flashback to our own youths! Join us – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – as we kick off our 10th season with the ‘80s Comedy with Coolidge & Heckerling' series, starting with Heckerling's 1982 film Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Here's a hint at what we talk about in this episode looking at Heckerling's film. The film completely brings us back to our younger days with popped collars and bigger hair. The story, however, doesn't completely work for Pete because it's spread across too many characters and we don't get enough time to really connect with any of them. Andy feels the story completely works and operates well as a depiction of the adult world these kids are starting to deal with. Perhaps the problem is that the filmmakers seemed to feel that Jeff Spicoli, played by Sean Penn, was the lead when in reality, it seems to be Stacy's film (played by Jennifer Jason Leigh). Regardless, it's an incredible cast of young actors from the day – a good number in their first roles – and they all do great. There are some strong scenes that carry a lot of weight, but perhaps not enough payoff for them? The music is great and the look completely feels right. Heckerling approaches the film from a matter-of-fact perspective that makes the situations feel real, but perhaps that's also why it's harder to connect. But it's a film that has a lot more to it than many other teen sex comedies from the decade and to that end, this one definitely stands out. We have a great time talking about it as we kick off our new season. Check it out then tune in! The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins! Join the conversation with movie lovers from around the world on The Next Reel's Discord channel! Film Sundries Learn more about supporting The Next Reel Film Podcast through your own membership — visit TruStory FM. Watch this on Apple or Amazon or find other places at JustWatch Script Transcript Original theatrical trailer Original poster artwork Fast Times at Ridgemont High: A True Story by Cameron Crowe Flickchart Letterboxd

Cameron Crowe already had success as a writer when he went undercover and posed as a high school student to write his book “Fast Times at Ridgemont High: A True Story.” Of course, he was high school age so it made perfect sense, and perhaps that's why the film adapted from his book feels so authentic of the time and of these youths portrayed. And perhaps part of that is because of how first-time director Amy Heckerling approached the subject matter – for a teen sex comedy, this is actually carrying some fairly heavy themes. But how well do these themes work for us? Turns out they work really well for Andy but not as well for Pete. Still, it's a nostalgic flashback to our own youths! Join us – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – as we kick off our 10th season with the ‘80s Comedy with Coolidge & Heckerling' series, starting with Heckerling's 1982 film Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Here's a hint at what we talk about in this episode looking at Heckerling's film. The film completely brings us back to our younger days with popped collars and bigger hair. The story, however, doesn't completely work for Pete because it's spread across too many characters and we don't get enough time to really connect with any of them. Andy feels the story completely works and operates well as a depiction of the adult world these kids are starting to deal with. Perhaps the problem is that the filmmakers seemed to feel that Jeff Spicoli, played by Sean Penn, was the lead when in reality, it seems to be Stacy's film (played by Jennifer Jason Leigh). Regardless, it's an incredible cast of young actors from the day – a good number in their first roles – and they all do great. There are some strong scenes that carry a lot of weight, but perhaps not enough payoff for them? The music is great and the look completely feels right. Heckerling approaches the film from a matter-of-fact perspective that makes the situations feel real, but perhaps that's also why it's harder to connect. But it's a film that has a lot more to it than many other teen sex comedies from the decade and to that end, this one definitely stands out. We have a great time talking about it as we kick off our new season. Check it out then tune in! The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins! Join the conversation with movie lovers from around the world on The Next Reel's Discord channel! Film Sundries Learn more about supporting The Next Reel Film Podcast through your own membership — visit TruStory FM. Watch this on Apple or Amazon or find other places at JustWatch Script Transcript Original theatrical trailer Original poster artwork Fast Times at Ridgemont High: A True Story by Cameron Crowe Flickchart Letterboxd

Steph talks with guest Mollie Heckerling. Mollie is a stand-up, singer, writer, actress, and puppeteer. She also is the daughter of Amy Heckerling, writer and director of “Clueless” and the “Look Who's Talking” franchise. Mollie is an open book and talks about growing up with a famous mom and finding out as a teenager that her biological dad is a famous comedian and director, cause you know Hollywood is going to Hollywood. Mollie is extremely charismatic and being a comedy genius is literally in her DNA. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/imarescue/support

School's out, but there are many lessons ahead for Ian and Don!Today the guys revisit Amy Heckerling's landmark 1982 classic, Fast Times at Ridgemont High, which was recently added to the Criterion Collection. Based on a novel by Cameron Crowe, in which the Rolling Stone reporter went undercover in a California high school to capture the true spirit of a generation, this funny, poignant, and, yes, fast-moving comedy put several stars on the map and forever changed the way America looks at carrots.Ian and Don discuss how their understanding of the film has evolved over the years; what sets it apart from other sex comedies of its time, and the surprising ways in which it still rings true.Also, Ian talks about some of the special features on the new Criterion disc, including a fascinating 1982 Q&A with Heckerling at the American Film Institute.Show Links:Watch the Fast Times at Ridgemont High trailer.Watch last year's celebrity script reading of Fast Times at Ridgemont High (you will NOT believe this shit!).Order the Fast Times at Ridgemont High Criterion Blu-ray.Get educated with Don Shanahan at Every Movie Has a Lesson.And be sure to subscribe to his wonderful new podcast, Cinephile Hissy Fit!Subscribe to, like, and comment on the Kicking the Seat YouTube channel!

Comic/Actress Mollie Heckerling (RATSO) had a babysitter who decided to take on their family friend- Gilbert Gottfried. This argument landed them on the Howard Stern Show. Listen to Mollie recount this and many more stories growing up with her mom Amy Heckerling.Join us EVERY Friday night at 7pm PST for Story Smash the Storytelling Game Show! LIVE and STREAMING on Facebook and YouTube with your host Christine Blackburn, comedian Blaine Capatch, writer Danny Zuker and many more talented people like Wayne Federman, MaryLynn Rajskub, Melissa Peterman, Ed Crasnick, Wendi McLendon-Covey, and Greg Proops! Four comedians spin the Story Worthy Wheel of Truth and tell a true 1 or 2 minute story on the topic they land. The "expert judges" comment and everyone laughs their ass off. Story Smash sold-out consistently at the Hollywood Improv for 3 years. It’s a blast! Check out the Story Smash website here,The Story Worthy Hour Of Power is now once a month on the third Sunday at 5:00pm PST, via Flappers Comedy Club in Burbank California. Watch 5 true hilarious stories in 1 hour! More info on the website, Story Worthy. Please follow for free, rate, and review Story Worthy on Apple Podcasts here. It really helps. Follow Christine and Story Worthy on Social Media- Instagram, Twitter, Facebook and at ChristineBlackburn.com. Thanks guys! Christine

An '80s movie doesn't have to be the funniest, the most dramatic, or the most action-packed film we've ever seen to be important. It doesn't even need to be popular.  Sometimes, a movie just needs to bring families together, give us a few chuckles, and bridge the gap between the young mind of a child and the memories of a parent. "Johnny Dangerously" isn't Michael Keaton's best-known film. And it isn't the pinnacle of Amy Heckerling's skills as a director. But it's definitely worth watching.  In the edition, the Shat Crew discusses premarital sex, running gags, eyeliner, John Stamos versus Christian Slater, "Gung Ho" versus "Mr. Mom," and whether crime actually pays. SUBSCRIBE & FOLLOW Android: http://shatthemovies.com/android Apple/iTunes: http://shatthemovies.com/itunes Social Media: Twitch, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Snapchat Website: http://shatthemovies.com/ HELP SUPPORT THE PODCAST Donate with Paypal: http://shatthemovies.com/paypal Donate With Venmo: https://venmo.com/shatpodcasts Get Podcast Merchandise: http://shatthemovies.com/shop Shop Amazon With Our Affiliate Link: https://www.amazon.com/?tag=shatmovies-20 Sponsor's Listener Survey: http://shatthemovies.com/survey Leave an iTunes Review: http://shatthemovies.com/review Vote for our Next Movies: http://shatthemovies.com/vote Feeds & Social Media: http://shatthemovies.com/subscribe-and-follow Leave a Voicemail: (914) 719-SHAT - (914) 719-7428 Email: hosts@shatthemovies.com Listen to our TV Podcasts: https://shatontv.com/shat-on-podcasts Theme Song - Die Hard by Guyz Nite: https://www.facebook.com/guyznite

Comic/Actress Mollie Heckerling (RATSO) had a babysitter who decided to take on their family friend- Gilbert Gottfried. This argument landed them on the Howard Stern Show. Listen to Mollie recount this and many more stories growing up with her mom Amy Heckerling.Join us EVERY Friday night at 7pm PST for Story Smash the Storytelling Game Show! LIVE and STREAMING on Facebook and YouTube with your host Christine Blackburn, comedian Blaine Capatch, writer Danny Zuker and many more talented people like Wayne Federman, MaryLynn Rajskub, Melissa Peterman, Ed Crasnick, Wendi McLendon-Covey, and Greg Proops! Four comedians spin the Story Worthy Wheel of Truth and tell a true 1 or 2 minute story on the topic they land. The "expert judges" comment and everyone laughs their ass off. Story Smash sold-out consistently at the Hollywood Improv for 3 years. It's a blast! Check out the Story Smash website here,The Story Worthy Hour Of Power is now once a month on the third Sunday at 5:00pm PST, via Flappers Comedy Club in Burbank California. Watch 5 true hilarious stories in 1 hour! More info on the website, Story Worthy. Please follow for free, rate, and review Story Worthy on Apple Podcasts here. It really helps. Follow Christine and Story Worthy on Social Media- Instagram, Twitter, Facebook and at ChristineBlackburn.com. Thanks guys! Christine Privacy Policy and California Privacy Notice.

All brothers Phil & Warren need are some tasty waves and a cool buzz to deep dive into the classic high school comedy drama “Fast Times at Ridgemont High.” Topics include: Crowe’s first screenplay & Heckerling’s first movie (2:35), filming on location & the hit soundtrack (10:35), the stars of the picture (17:30), stats & accolades (29:50), best scenes & lines (37:00), Judge Bob’s recasting court (53:20), and the film’s legacy (1:13:45), plus much more.

All brothers Phil & Warren need are some tasty waves and a cool buzz to deep dive into the classic high school comedy drama “Fast Times at Ridgemont High.” Topics include: Crowe’s first screenplay & Heckerling’s first movie (2:35), filming on location & the hit soundtrack (10:35), the stars of the picture (17:30), stats & accolades (29:50), best scenes & lines (37:00), Judge Bob’s recasting court (53:20), and the film’s legacy (1:13:45), plus much more.

Calling all the Bettys we are taking a trip down memory lane or rather above Sunset to Amy Heckerling's enchanting, quotable, 90s classic, Clueless! Whether you are in a loqued out jeep, or riding on a Marvin the Martian skateboard, it's never a bad time to revisit this movie. It's essential viewing and is not only genre defining, but perhaps decade defining in how Heckerling captures 90s culture. Is this the defining teen movie of the 90s? Is this perhaps the best Jane Austen adaptation? Did Amy Heckerling change 90s culture? We tackle this and more, but most of all how could you not have seen Clueless?! Tune in and share with the Tai or Dionne in your life!

Comedian Mollie Heckerling discusses Marjorie Taylor Greene getting stripped off her Committee assignments and Dusitn Diamond.

Comedian Mollie Heckerling joins us to talk about how everyone spent their 2020 holidays, what constitutes a Christmas dinner, as well as the time she put on a wedding dress and stalked Jon Travolta at the tender age of four. Click here to listen to the latest episode of Papa's Basement in your browser (and here to give us your money via Patreon). Apple Podcasts Google Podcasts Spotify Stitcher YouTube Follow this episode's cast on Twitter and Instagram. Mollie Heckerling - Twitter - @MollieSchmollie, Instagram - @MollieHeckerling Eva Kriksciun - Twitter - @OrchardEva, Instagram - @OrchardEva John Papageorgiou - Twitter - @PapasBasement, Instagram - @PapasBasement

Hi Everyone. After years of teasing, I finally got to sit down and talk to Ms. Heckerling. Yes, the director of Fast Times at Ridgemont High (which The Nightfly consistently plays clips from), European Vacation, Johnny Dangerously, Look Who's Talking and of course the director and writer of Clueless. She was great. Really fun and forthcoming. I think it's a really great interview once I got to calm down a bit. Look folks, when you have the writer and director of your favorite movie right in front of you. . . it's hard to relax. Hope you like it and Happy New Year everyone! See you in 2021 See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Strong Families Survive Tough Times What you'll learn: Strong families major in the majors.  What are the majors? Why family meetings are a necessity and how to conduct a meaningful meeting. How to create a family entrepreneurial mindset and why most entrepreneurs fail at doing it. This week's guests: Tom Rogerson* Founder, GenLeg, Co. Tom is a recognized leader and pioneer in family governance and legacy planning. He had the privilege of meeting Jay Hughes 25 years ago who inspired him to transform his practice from “Preparing the Money for the Family” to “Preparing the Family for the Money.” Using his Six Steps to Healthy Family Governance, Tom has worked with over 250 families facilitating transparent communication, entrepreneurial motivation, philanthropic vision, legacy planning, succession development and then endowing the process for the future, all to create a life-long bond to last generationally. A few years ago Tom teamed up with his wife, a certified relationship coach, and started GenLeg Co., Inc. Together they provide guidance and education to families and their advisors, helping them transition significant capital, both financial (tangible) and human (intangible), from one generation to the next. Prior to starting a private practice, Tom was with Wilmington Trust, bringing his family governance and wealth management expertise as both a speaker and motivator to not only families but to Wilmington's client facing teams, helping them integrate Family Governance into the fabric of the client relationship. Previously, Tom was Managing Director of Family Wealth Services for BNY Mellon, National Director of Estate Tax Planning with State Street Global Advisors, and Director of Financial and Estate Tax Planning with Coopers and Lybrand. He holds a bachelor's in Economics from Ithaca College. Tom has spoken for The World Presidents Organization, Harvard University Business School, Tiger 21, The Lincoln Center, Yale University, Dallas Theological Seminary, Vistage, Museum of Modern Art, The Nature Conservancy, New York Botanical Garden, The Dallas Foundation, The New York Community Trust, The Boston Foundation, Heckerling, numerous estate planning councils, as well as many other organizations. Shawn Barberis* Founder, Aspida Advisory For over a decade, Mr. Barberis has served families and small businesses. Though he is astute, exacting and detail-obsessed, don't let him fool you. Shawn is a visionary, thriving on enthusiasm, humor and the company of like-minded individuals dedicated to hard work and financial ingenuity. Aspida Advisory is an independent financial advisory firm through our Registered Investment Advisory Firm, Aspida360. We work with you to determine what is in you and your family's best interests. The retirement Income Survival Kit (R.I.S.K.) analyzes the risks we face in retirement, and provides recommendations of income solutions that address each of your personal retirement risks. A+LIFE maintains the granite pillars of financial and estate planning while integrating the unquantifiable values of legacy and one's life's experiences. *Not affiliated with Lincoln Financial Advisors Corp.  You don't want to miss it! ------ CRN-3330151-111320  The content presented is for informational and educational purposes.  The information covered and posted are views and opinions of the guests and not necessarily those of Lincoln Financial Advisors Corp.  Michael Palumbos is a registered representative of Lincoln Financial Advisors Corp. Securities and investment advisory services offered through Lincoln Financial Advisors Corp., a broker/dealer (member SIPC) and registered investment advisor. Insurance offered through Lincoln affiliates and other fine companies. Family Wealth & Legacy, LLC is not an affiliate of Lincoln Financial Advisors Corp. Lincoln Financial Advisors Corp. and its representatives do not provide legal or tax advice. You may want to consult a legal or tax advisor regarding any legal or tax information as it relates to your personal circumstances.

In today's episode, we ask ourselves a simple question: How would Sean Bean have died in the 1995 coming-of-age teen comedy, Clueless. We are joined by Nikki to share each others thoughts.Join On Second Watch as we explore what role would be perfect for Sean Bean to play (Lead, Supporting, or Cameo) and share our thoughts on how that character would ultimately meet his demise.If you have a thought on this, let us know in the comments or visit www.oswpodcast.com to share your thoughts.If you'd like to join us on future episodes of HWSBHD, support us on Ko-fi and we'll schedule a recording with you - www.ko-fi.com/movieCheck out our Clueless review with Nikki for more 90's fun! https://www.oswpodcast.com/clueless/

We return finally! Dave drags Mike back into the booth to talk about two more Heckerling movies.First, we look at JOHNNY DANGEROUSLY, a movie seemingly built in a lab to annoy our cohosts. Gotta be honest, we move on pretty quickly. Keaton is not funny enough and way too short for Mike.But on a happier note, we watch VAMPS a wildly underseen and really fun vampire comedy. Join us as we complain about the lack of output from our favorite women in film!Follow us on TwitterLook at the pretty pictures on InstagramDonate to the show and get rewards on Patreon!Email us and tell us we're wrong at directedbypod@gmail.com

"Fast Times at Ridgemont High" did everything an '80s high school movie was supposed to do. It did it first, and it did it best. The cast of young actors grew up to be some of the biggest names in Hollywood, Cameron Crowe went on to write "Jerry McGuire" and "Almost Famous," and director Amy Heckerling changed America's view of teens again when she created "Clueless." Find out how "Fast Times" taught Big D about women's struggles; why Ash's mom calls it "the abortion movie," and why Gene thinks shopping malls will make a comeback. Also ... the bikini scene ... yeah, it still holds up. Roy Nemerson Articles: https://variety.com/2001/scene/people-news/roy-e-nemerson-1117850384/ https://ew.com/article/1994/06/24/selling-scripts-mean-money-maybe-not-fame/ SUBSCRIBE & FOLLOW Android: http://shatthemovies.com/android Apple/iTunes: http://shatthemovies.com/itunes Social Media: Twitch, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Snapchat Website: http://shatthemovies.com/ HELP SUPPORT THE PODCAST Donate with Paypal: http://shatthemovies.com/paypal Donate With Venmo: https://venmo.com/shatpodcasts Get Podcast Merchandise: http://shatthemovies.com/shop Shop Amazon With Our Affiliate Link: https://www.amazon.com/?tag=shatmovies-20 Sponsor's Listener Survey: http://shatthemovies.com/survey Leave an iTunes Review: http://shatthemovies.com/review Vote for our Next Movies: http://shatthemovies.com/vote Feeds & Social Media: http://shatthemovies.com/subscribe-and-follow Leave a Voicemail: (914) 719-SHAT - (914) 719-7428 Email: hosts@shatthemovies.com Listen to our TV Podcasts: https://shatontv.com/shat-on-podcasts Theme Song - Die Hard by Guyz Nite: https://www.facebook.com/guyznite

 Book Vs Movie Emma/Clueless The Jane Austen Beloved Novel Vs the 1995 Classic Alicia Silverstone Film We are continuing our September “Back-to-School” films talking about Jane Austen and possibly her lightest novel--Emma and pair it with the incomparable Amy Heckerling-directed film Clueless. Both are revered for their humor & having a wonderful female lead.  Released in 1815 (the last novel she published before Austen’s death at 41), Emma tells the story of a spoiled, willful woman (Emma Woodhouse) who enjoys helping make romantic entanglements happen. She is the daughter of widower Mr. Woodhouse and gives Emma a comfortable life. She has no wish to marry but when her governess, Miss Taylor marries Mr. West, she decides her true gift is matchmaking.  Emma meddles in people’s lives and is constantly being questioned by Mr. Knightey, an older gentleman who lives next door. Harriet Smith is a friend who is shy and awkward compared to Emma. She becomes a project for the meddlesome protagonist who matches people and attempts to create several relationships with varying levels of success.  Austen never married and enjoyed living in Bath, England where she places several of her stories. This particular novel has been adapted many times over the years but one of the most accessible and funny versions was created by Heckerling who already mined the field of high school with her film Fast Times at Ridgemont High in 1982.  Alicia Silverstone was known for Aerosmith videos when she starred in Clueless and quickly became an “overnight” star.  Her Cher (Emma) is kind and a bit ditzy who attends high school in Southern California and is best friends with Dionne (Stacey Dash). The film is filled with so many quotable lines and literally has not one wasted scene to become an instant classic.  There are many changes between the book & the film. Which did the Margos like more?  In this ep the Margos discuss: The short life of the incredible Jane Austen The central characters and how they differ in the 1995 adaptation  Teen movies in the 80s and how women directors led the pack The cast including Alicia Silverstone (Emma/Cher,) Stacey Dash (Dionne,) Brittany Murphy (Harriet Smith/Tai,) Paul Rudd (Josh/Mr. Knightley,) Donald Faison (Murray,) Elisa Donovan (Amber/Mrs. Elton,) Breckin Meyer (Travis/Robert Martin,) Jeremy Sisto (Elton,) Dan Hedaya (Mel Horowitz/Mr. Woodhouse,) Wallace Shawn (Mr. Hall/Mr. Weston,) Twink Caplan (Miss Geist/Mrs. Weston.) and Justin Walker (Christian/Frank Churchill.)  Clips Featured: Clueless  trailer Josh realizes he loves Cher Driving on the freeway Ride Home Music: “Rollin with my Homies” by Coolio Join our Patreon page to help support the show! https://www.patreon.com/bookversusmovie  Book Vs. Movie podcast https://www.facebook.com/bookversusmovie/ Twitter @bookversusmovie www.bookversusmovie.com Email us at bookversusmoviepodcast@gmail.com Brought to you by Audible.com You can sign up for a FREE 30-day trial here http://www.audible.com/?source_code=PDTGBPD060314004R Margo D. @BrooklynFitChik www.brooklynfitchick.com brooklynfitchick@gmail.com Margo P. @ShesNachoMama https://coloniabook.weebly.com/ 

Ok, it is absolutely time to dive in to another wronged female director and pretty much all of their work. We start off our Heckerling watch with her first (and one of her most well known) movie, FAST TIMES AT RIDGEMONT HIGH.Our conversation spans expectations, characters who just want to have sex, the reality (or lack) of characters in teen movies, and Dave's hatred of Judge Reinhold.Follow us on TwitterLook at the pretty pictures on InstagramDonate to the show and get rewards on Patreon!Email us and tell us we're wrong at directedbypod@gmail.com

Turning 25 years old this summer is "Clueless" a (then) modern update to "Emma."  It is a movie turned up to 11 but with good cause and great results.  On the other side of things is "Trolls: World Tour," a movie turned to 11 presumably because claiming it was turned to 31 would just be silly.   One works.  One doesn't.  Let's discuss.

Comedian, musician, and actress Mollie Heckerling joins us to help review out favorite episodes of Hulu’s PEN15 in anticipation of its second season, releasing September 18. She was extremely funny and a joy to have on, and you should check out all of her projects, linked below. Enjoy and share! Mollie Heckerling's YouTube channel, featuring her Ratso puppet series. Mollie's new album, You Would, on Spotify. Click here to listen to the latest episode of Papa's Basement in your browser (and here to give us your money via Patreon). Apple Podcasts Google Podcasts Spotify Stitcher YouTube Follow this episode's cast on Twitter and Instagram. Mollie Heckerling - Twitter - @MollieSchmollie, Instagram - @MollieHeckerling Mikael Johnson - Twitter - MikaelLJohn, Instagram - @MikaelLJohn John Papageorgiou - Twitter - @PapasBasement, Instagram - @PapasBasement

Clueless brings Jane Austen's Emma into the world of a privileged LA teen, and it works perfectly. This week, Stephanie, Kirstin and Jimmy discuss Austen, Heckerling, and routine liposuction.

Oh my god, we’re totally buggin’ for Amy Heckerling’s “Clueless”. This nostalgia trip is as sweet as Cher’s loqued out Jeep. Staring Alicia Silverstone, Stacey Dash, Paul Rudd, Donald Faison, the late Brittany Murphy, and a ton more you forgot were in this movie.This episode comes to us as a Listener Request by our old friend Nikki, who joins us in the second half of the recording to dive into the 90's with us. Tim, Chris, and Dana explore what defined them in the 90's… No Fear shirts, skater’s cuts, Ace of Base… Even the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Coming Out of Their Shells Tour?This movie opened the flood gates for 90's nostalgia and we dove right in. Does this coming-of-age teen comedy hold up 25 years after the fact or is it a Monet? Find out on this episode of On Second Watch----------Huge thanks to MASAMI for sponsoring this episode. Just like Cher, take care of yourself and “do something for humanity” by using hair care products that are clean, vegan, and cruelty free. Visit LoveMASAMI.com and use the promo code SPRINGISHERE for 10% off and Free ShippingSpecial Shout Out to the podcast TrueCrimeXS. They provide a different take on the True Crime genre and uncover some secrets that may have been missed in the investigation. Subscribe today wherever you get your podcasts and visit TrueCrimeXS.com

This week we're coming from United Stations studios with guest Mollie Heckerling. We discuss the coronavirus and Super Tuesday.

Oh my God! We are totally buggin' because this week we're talking about CLUELESS! Starring Alicia Silverstone, Brittany Murphy, Paul Rudd and, of course, Dan Hedaya, this movie changed the landscape of teenagedom in totally epic ways. Fashion, lingo, it's like Amy Heckerling possessed the brain of the modern teen (in 1995) and, like, you know, whatever. Also, like, this week Grace Smith is rollin' with the homies, which is totally Bogdanovic! We were totally a snob and a half about this movie when it first came out, but how does it hold up today? Listen and totally subscribe and rate us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or Stitcher. Also, you can also support us by either contributing Patreon campaign, or by buying Rewatchability t-shirts from TeePublic using Dan Hedaya's credit card!    

Welcome back, as the kids have gone back to school...for a while, Ben and Tyler decided to look at a couple of High School movies. Both happen to be directed by Amy Heckerling, first up from 1982, Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Then from 1995 five the adaptation of Jane Austin's Emma, Clueless. Enjoy the show, and Tyler's somewhat deeper voice. Spoiler: get out of my chair! What Tyler watched: The Last American Virgin What Ben watched: The Amazing Jonathan Documentary 00:00-02:27: Intro 02:28-13:16: What we watched this week 13:40-14:24: Fast Times at Ridgemont High into 14:25-15:09: “Relax...I can fix it.” 15:10-1:13:14: Fast Times at Ridgemont High discussion 1:13:15-1:15:30: Fast Times at Ridgemont High ratings. 1:15:31-1:16:01: Clueless intro 1:16:02-1:17:23: “It does not say RSVP on the Statute of Liberty” 1:17:24-1:50:28: Clueless discussion 1:50:29-1:51:19: Clueless rating 1:51:20-1:56:29: Coming Attractions/outro

This week, Erika and Paul are joined by author and podcaster Jess Verdi (@jessverdi, jessicaverdi.com) to discuss 1995’s masterpiece...Clueless! -Jess is a podcaster as well! Listen to her adoption pod We Can Do This: Our Adoption Journey. -Here’s the video of the Golden Girls spoofing Clueless that Paul mentioned! -No palate cleansers necessary, of course, but Paul does mention Suburgatory as fun watch.

On this week's episode, Tessa and Tricia wax nostalgic as they discuss the 90s rom-com cult classic, Clueless, starring Alicia Silverstone.  They chat about the unapologetically fabulous SFL that is Cher Horowitz and debate the merit of setting up two teachers for personal gain.  The uncomfortable but not illegal romance between Cher and her ex-stepbrother, Josh (Paul Rudd), is explored, Tricia shares her undying love for Brittany Murphy, and Tessa admits that she more than likely won't remember recording this podcast.  As if!   If you'd like to choose a movie for the podcast, leave us a review on Apple Podcast and include your pick there!! Also, keep up with all things SFL by following us @StrongFemalePOD on Instagram or @SFL_Chicago on Twitter!  

Clueless is a fantastic satire of everything it appears to be. It is also an insanely efficient novel adaptation, one of the best out there. Heckerling did a great job with the writing and directing, packing this thing full of irony and visual humour. Honestly, it's just a really good movie.

In Episode 91 of the Crooked Table Podcast, Robert Yaniz Jr. turns the attention over to returning guest Kai Yaniz, who has chosen to discuss 1995 teen comedy Clueless. Starring Alicia Silverstone and written and directed by Amy Heckerling, the film was a landmark of 1990s cinema and remains one of the most beloved films of its kind this side of John Hughes. With a remake apparently on the horizon, we take a look at how Heckerling's film serves as a time capsule of its time, creating a unique aesthetic of high school life while updating Jane Austen's Emma for a new audience. Rob and Kai's history with Clueless couldn't be more different, with the latter a longtime fan and the former a more recent convert to the charms of Cher Horowitz, her razor-sharp wit and all the neon-colored 90s outfits. In recent years, films like Mean Girls, Easy A and The Edge of Seventeen have emerged as prime examples of the greatness female-led high school comedies can bring. But could these heirs apparent really eclipse the laughs, heart and indelible performances of Clueless? As if! So let's totally pause and take a closer look at how Clueless holds up decades after its theatrical release. The film's legacy and influence on cinematic history might just surprise you. SHOW NOTES Want to appear on a future episode of the Crooked Table Podcast? Find out how over at crookedtable.com/guest! CONTACT Join the Crooked Table Crew by becoming an official patron over at Patreon.com/CrookedTable Subscribe to the Crooked Table Podcast on iTunes so that you never miss a moment! Listen to the Crooked Table Podcast on Spotify! The Crooked Table Podcast is also on Stitcher! Robert Yaniz Jr. can be reached on Twitter at @crookedtable. Connect with Crooked Table on social media: Facebook  |  Twitter  |  Tumblr

Comedian Mollie Heckerling and Tom discuss the Brett Kavanaugh hearings and other recent topics.

We were so drunk, none of us remember recording this episode. After the “live part”, we talk about some childhood stories.Note: We were way too drunk and cameras malfunctioned. Video is on youtube though. youtube.com/modulationstudiosPlease support us on Patreon!: https://www.patreon.com/werenotafraidofthedark/Intro theme by glassdevaney: https://soundcloud.com/glassdevaney/are-you-afraid-of-the-darkOutro song by ZakBabyTV: AYAOTD Music Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOzuKa6HurUhttps://www.instagram.com/werenotafraidofthedark/https://www.facebook.com/werenotafraidofthedark/werenotafraidofthedark@gmail.comIf you would like a sticker, send us an email or message us on social media!Episode edited by Adam at Modulation Studios.“The Tale of the Curious Camera,” Are You Afraid of the Dark? Directed by Ron Oliver. Written by Susan Kim. Season three, episode nine. Episode aired March 19, 1994. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0514408/Blue Mountain State. Television series (2010-2011). Blue Mountain State Productions, Lionsgate Television, Varsity Pictures. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1344204/Flash Forward (1996-1997). Television series. Created by Bernice Vanderlaan, Daphne Ballon, and Alyson Feltes. Atlantis Films, Walt Disney Television. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115173/Gallen, Joel, dir. Not Another Teen Movie (2011). Columbia Pictures Corporation, Original Film, Neal H. Moritz Productions. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0277371/Heckerling, Amy, dir. Loser (2000). Branti Film Productions, Cockamamie. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0217630/Leiner, Danny, dir. Harold & Kumar Go To White Castle (2004). Endgame Entertainment, Harold & Kumar, Kingsgate Films. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0366551/MADtv (1995-2016). Television series. Girl Group Co., Bahr-Small Productions, David Salzman Entertainment (QDE). https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112056Quantum Leap. Television series (1989-1993). Belisarius Productions, Universal Television. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096684/South Park (1997- Present). Television series. Episode: Major Boobage. Aired March 26, 2008. Directed by Trey Parker.Stine, R.L. Say Cheese and Die! Published November 1992. Goosebumps series. Scholastic.Strangers with Candy. Television series (1999-2000). Comedy Central, Paramount Home Entertainment. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0194624/Taccone, Jorma, dir. MacGruber (2010). Broadway Video, Michaels-Goldwyn, Relativity Media. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1470023/Weitz, Paul, dir. American Pie (1999). Universal Pictures, Zide-Perry Productions, Newmarket Capital Group. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0163651/

We were so drunk, none of us remember recording this episode. After the “live part”, we talk about some childhood stories.Note: We were way too drunk and cameras malfunctioned. Video is on youtube though. youtube.com/modulationstudiosPlease support us on Patreon!: https://www.patreon.com/werenotafraidofthedark/Intro theme by glassdevaney: https://soundcloud.com/glassdevaney/are-you-afraid-of-the-darkOutro song by ZakBabyTV: AYAOTD Music Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOzuKa6HurUhttps://www.instagram.com/werenotafraidofthedark/https://www.facebook.com/werenotafraidofthedark/werenotafraidofthedark@gmail.comIf you would like a sticker, send us an email or message us on social media!Episode edited by Adam at Modulation Studios.“The Tale of the Curious Camera,” Are You Afraid of the Dark? Directed by Ron Oliver. Written by Susan Kim. Season three, episode nine. Episode aired March 19, 1994. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0514408/Blue Mountain State. Television series (2010-2011). Blue Mountain State Productions, Lionsgate Television, Varsity Pictures. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1344204/Flash Forward (1996-1997). Television series. Created by Bernice Vanderlaan, Daphne Ballon, and Alyson Feltes. Atlantis Films, Walt Disney Television. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115173/Gallen, Joel, dir. Not Another Teen Movie (2011). Columbia Pictures Corporation, Original Film, Neal H. Moritz Productions. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0277371/Heckerling, Amy, dir. Loser (2000). Branti Film Productions, Cockamamie. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0217630/Leiner, Danny, dir. Harold & Kumar Go To White Castle (2004). Endgame Entertainment, Harold & Kumar, Kingsgate Films. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0366551/MADtv (1995-2016). Television series. Girl Group Co., Bahr-Small Productions, David Salzman Entertainment (QDE). https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112056Quantum Leap. Television series (1989-1993). Belisarius Productions, Universal Television. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096684/South Park (1997- Present). Television series. Episode: Major Boobage. Aired March 26, 2008. Directed by Trey Parker.Stine, R.L. Say Cheese and Die! Published November 1992. Goosebumps series. Scholastic.Strangers with Candy. Television series (1999-2000). Comedy Central, Paramount Home Entertainment. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0194624/Taccone, Jorma, dir. MacGruber (2010). Broadway Video, Michaels-Goldwyn, Relativity Media. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1470023/Weitz, Paul, dir. American Pie (1999). Universal Pictures, Zide-Perry Productions, Newmarket Capital Group. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0163651/

Comedian and writer Mollie Heckerling stops by to discuss the Chris Hardwick controversy and what it was like growing up in a showbiz family.

The crew is VERY drunk in this. Thanks Deep Eddy Vodka and Hoop Tea. We talk about when we first saw a cell phone. Should you take advice from a high school guidance counselor? Do people still have their family portraits done at Sears? Ben talks about taking a shit inside of Boscov’s. Does anyone really get anchovies on a pizza?Prank show we like: http://snowplowshow.com/Intro theme by glassdevaney: https://soundcloud.com/glassdevaney/are-you-afraid-of-the-darkOutro song by ZakBabyTV: AYAOTD Music Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOzuKa6HurUhttps://www.instagram.com/werenotafraidofthedark/https://www.facebook.com/werenotafraidofthedark/werenotafraidofthedark@gmail.comIf you would like a sticker, send us an email or message us on social media!Episode edited by Adam and Ryan at Modulation Studios.“The Tale of the Phone Police,” Are You Afraid of the Dark? Directed by Jean-Marie Comeau. Written by David Preston. Season three, episode four. Episode aired January 29, 1994. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0514436/Bass, Jules & Rankin Jr. , Author, dirs. The Stingiest Man in Town (1978). Rankin/Bass Productions, Topcrafthttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt0227562/Barron, Steve, dir. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1990). 888 Productions, Golden Harvest Company, Limelight Entertainment. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100758/Columbus, Chris, dir. Home Alone 2: Lost in New York (1992). Twentieth Century Fox, Hughes Entertainment. Columbus, Chris, dir. Rent (2005). Rent Productions LLC, 1492 Pictures, Revolution Studios. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0294870/ Heckerling, Amy, dir. Clueless (1995). https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112697/Herek, Stephen, dir. Don’t Tell Mom The Babysitter’s Dead (1991). Home Box Office (HBO), Cinema Plus, Mercury/Douglas Films https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101757Iscover, Robert, dir. From Justin to Kelly (2003). 19 Entertainment. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0339034/Mister Rogers’ Neighborhood. Television series (1968-2001. Family Communications. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062588/ Perry, Tyler, dir. Boo! A Madea Halloween (2016). TIK Films, Tyler Perry Company, The. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5325452/Reitman, Ivan, dir. Ghostbusters (1984). Columbia Pictures Corporation, Producers Sales Organization, Delphi Films. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087332/Saved by the Bell. Television series (1989-1992). Created by Sam Bobrick. NBC Productions, Peter Engel Productions. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096694/Spasojevic, Srdjan, dir. A Serbian Film (2010). Contra Film. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1273235/Supermarket Sweep. Television series (1990-2003). Al Howard Productions. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0180384/Turteltaub, Jon, dir. 3 Ninjas (1992). Touchstone Pictures, Global Venture Hollywood, Sheen Productions. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103596Waters, Mark, dir. Mean Girls (2004). Paramount Pictures, M.G. Films, Broadway Video. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0377092/

The crew is VERY drunk in this. Thanks Deep Eddy Vodka and Hoop Tea. We talk about when we first saw a cell phone. Should you take advice from a high school guidance counselor? Do people still have their family portraits done at Sears? Ben talks about taking a shit inside of Boscov’s. Does anyone really get anchovies on a pizza?Prank show we like: http://snowplowshow.com/Intro theme by glassdevaney: https://soundcloud.com/glassdevaney/are-you-afraid-of-the-darkOutro song by ZakBabyTV: AYAOTD Music Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOzuKa6HurUhttps://www.instagram.com/werenotafraidofthedark/https://www.facebook.com/werenotafraidofthedark/werenotafraidofthedark@gmail.comIf you would like a sticker, send us an email or message us on social media!Episode edited by Adam and Ryan at Modulation Studios.“The Tale of the Phone Police,” Are You Afraid of the Dark? Directed by Jean-Marie Comeau. Written by David Preston. Season three, episode four. Episode aired January 29, 1994. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0514436/Bass, Jules & Rankin Jr. , Author, dirs. The Stingiest Man in Town (1978). Rankin/Bass Productions, Topcrafthttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt0227562/Barron, Steve, dir. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1990). 888 Productions, Golden Harvest Company, Limelight Entertainment. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100758/Columbus, Chris, dir. Home Alone 2: Lost in New York (1992). Twentieth Century Fox, Hughes Entertainment. Columbus, Chris, dir. Rent (2005). Rent Productions LLC, 1492 Pictures, Revolution Studios. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0294870/ Heckerling, Amy, dir. Clueless (1995). https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112697/Herek, Stephen, dir. Don’t Tell Mom The Babysitter’s Dead (1991). Home Box Office (HBO), Cinema Plus, Mercury/Douglas Films https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101757Iscover, Robert, dir. From Justin to Kelly (2003). 19 Entertainment. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0339034/Mister Rogers’ Neighborhood. Television series (1968-2001. Family Communications. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062588/ Perry, Tyler, dir. Boo! A Madea Halloween (2016). TIK Films, Tyler Perry Company, The. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5325452/Reitman, Ivan, dir. Ghostbusters (1984). Columbia Pictures Corporation, Producers Sales Organization, Delphi Films. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087332/Saved by the Bell. Television series (1989-1992). Created by Sam Bobrick. NBC Productions, Peter Engel Productions. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096694/Spasojevic, Srdjan, dir. A Serbian Film (2010). Contra Film. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1273235/Supermarket Sweep. Television series (1990-2003). Al Howard Productions. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0180384/Turteltaub, Jon, dir. 3 Ninjas (1992). Touchstone Pictures, Global Venture Hollywood, Sheen Productions. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103596Waters, Mark, dir. Mean Girls (2004). Paramount Pictures, M.G. Films, Broadway Video. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0377092/

Open (0:00), “The Process” with ‘Red Oaks’ creator, producer, writer Gregory Jacobs; intro (00:53), intro (1:48), making movies at age 12 shooting on a Super 8, playing for the Yankees (3:00), Steven Spielberg and ‘Jaws’ being such a big influence, NYU (5:10), sophomore year worked as AD for John Sayles, ‘Eight Men Out,’ MTV, working on music videos, Sayles being uncompromising with his scripts (8:52), Steven Soderbergh being envious, Coen Brothers and ‘Millers Crossing,’ storyboarding the entire move, working with Soderbergh, ‘King of the Hill,’ AD preparing Jacobs in efficiency and organization, working on ‘A Very Brady Sequel,’ working as an assistant tennis pro (18:20), creating the characters with Joe Gangemi, mapping it out as a TV series after initially thinking it would be a film, David Gordon Green, "The Pitch" for 'Red Oaks' ‘The Graduate’ and ‘Caddyshack,’ ‘Fast Times at Ridgemont High,’ the casting, Craig Roberts, Paul Reiser, Ennis Esmer, Richard Kind, Jennifer Grey, shooting the pilot (29:45), the waiting, Amazon was the only platform that guaranteed the pilot would be seen, had more material, looked season 3 as a movie (35:00), happy endings, David and Skye plan if the series went longer (37:59), the music, Hal Hartley never doing TV before (41:15), Amy Heckerling, Nash and Skip, Writing “Antagonist” with another side, Mar-a-Lago (46:30), writing the next project, Scott and Josh talk ‘Red Oaks’ (51:16), Talking Heads, in 15 years will people think ‘Red Oaks’ was filmed in the 1980s?, the music, a nice small core of directors for all 3 seasons, sweetness and heart, Freddie Roman, Catskills, “Body Swap” episode, Richard Kind hitting Sam’s sadness while singing “Rhinestone Cowboy” at a Karaoke bar, Mar-a-Lago, those forgotten Amazon shows, Tim Roth in Amazon’s new series ‘Tin Star,’ ‘Mindhunter,’ Starz drops ‘The Girlfriend Experience,’ Errol Morris semi-scripted Netflix mini-series ‘Wormwood,’ Netflix new series ‘Godless.’ Goodbye.  

Fast Times is a true teen classic. Written by Cameron Crowe and directed by Amy Heckerling, this is a perfect coming of age film that holds up today as strong as ever. Tracy and Herman discuss all aspects and have a few chuckles along the way. 

Did you really think we'd do a series on female directed films and not talk about Amy Heckerling's Clueless? AS IF!! Flixwise regular, Anne Marie Kelly, outlines why she thinks the seminal 1995 teen comedy is worthy of the Flixwise Favorites List. She'll have to convince Lady P, Kristen Sales, and Marya E. Gates that her fondness for the film stems not just from wardrobe envy or a '90s nostalgia trip, but from the film's formal attributes and cultural significance as well. Listen up to see if the panel agrees that Clueless is one of the Greatest Movies of All Time. Along the way, they talk outfits (duh!), compare Clueless to Emma--the original Jane Austen text--and admire the film's progressive take on sexuality. Plus, Kristen offers a rousing sermon on awe of the teen movie genre, which is definitely not-to-be-missed.  

After almost a month Stevil and Matty return with a new Convicted Cinephiles. This week we explore that fun time in everyone's development as a human being, teen angst! With the help of guests Jstebz and our friend, a guest from our comic show Booked, Noah Dorsey, the panel breaks down four very different films. With stories ranging from Saturday detention to the outright murder of the popular clique in school, we have all bases covered. So alright, alright, alright, let's dig in! These are our Staff Picks of the week! Noah comes equipped with two picks for us this week. Proving it gets better and better with each viewing, it's really a no brainer why Big Hero 6 was the Academy Award winner for Best Animated. It's got a big heart, lovable characters and some really great action. Will this be the kick in the pants Matty needs to see it? Time will tell. For Noah's second pick he suggests a horror film from writer/director Eric England, Contracted, about a woman who thinks she's caught an STI but in actuality is some much worse. Noah features in the sequel, which will be released later this year. Matty's pick this week digs into one of his favorite genres, westerns, and features one of his favorite actors, Mads Mikkelsen, in The Salvation, a brutal tale of vengeance. A story that takes place in America, directed by a Danish director and filmed in South Africa, this is definitely an international collaboration that moves like a living painting. One of the best films of 2015 so far. When Stevil's away Jstebz will play...... with Netflix. Making the informed decision to watch Blackfish, Jen quickly put herself in a weeping, humanity hating stupor by watching this heartbreaking documentary about killer whales in captivity. How did she combat the tears and horrible feelings that washes over her from this eye opening film? By heading to the Valley with Alicia Silverstone and a young and handsome Paul Rudd in Amy Heckerling's Clueless. It has to be stated how Heckerling had a finger on the pulse of high school comedy in two separate decades, the 80s and 90s. Stevil's pick was a really surprise hit for him. From writer/director Riley Stearns and starring his wife, Mary Elizabeth Winstead, and Leland Orser, Faults is a movie that will leave your brain twisted. Following a disgraced cult deprogrammer who is hired by a couple who wants him to save their daughter from a cult called Faults. When he starts to try to get in her head and make sense of everything she starts to push back into his psyche. A very cool movie with an incredible twist.   For the main subject of teen angst films, our panel explains why they made their choices: "I chose Heathers because, like me, it tries to be witty, dark, and funny at the same time. But, unlike me, the movie succeeds on all levels. Christian Slater and Winona Ryder are at the top of their game, the dialogue is smart, catchy, and repeatable, and the movie itself holds up as one of the best teenage angst movie ever to exist." - @noahalexanderd "Dazed and Confused is definitely in my top ten, and that's saying something because I hate lists. It's not the angstiest movie of the bunch but it did reminded me the most of my childhood. Getting stoned, drinking, finding something to do and listening to damn good music will doing it." - @mattydub604 "I chose Thirteen because it was a movie that hit close to home for me. The time in which the story unfolds is around my highschool days and I watched as all of my friends and I adapted to what we thought we were supposed to be. Some of my friends ended up like Evie and Tracy. I related to this movie because I had seen it all happen before. Watching it now as a parent changed the viewing experience, but it still hits me so hard. Now, understanding Holly Hunter's point of view a little more, it just makes the movie all the more difficult to watch. Although some people feel like it's an exaggeration of the transformation from girl to woman, I feel like Thirteen is very spot on and truthful." - @jstebz_ "The quintessential high school movie and arguably the best movie of the 80s, The Breakfast Club is the crown jewel of John Hughes' fantastic career. A movie following a brain, an athlete, a basket case, a princess and a criminal, this film feels completely timeless as we are always ready and willing to spend a Saturday detention with each of these characters, completely angsty in their own individual ways. Plus, John Bender (and for that matter, Judd Nelson) is one of the most likable anti-hero characters ever. And don't get me started on that Simple Minds track. *Fist Pump*" - @thestevildead   What is your favourite teen angst film? Do you or did you enjoy our picks? Listen to the episode and let us know what you think in the comments below and follow us on Twitter and Instagram!