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Marc Sims talks with Alderman Raymond Lopez about changing the perception of the city of Chicago Illinois.Institutions will try to preserve the problem to which they are the solution.Clay Shirky
The clock is ticking on social media giant TikTok, which faces a nationwide ban in the United States unless its parent company, ByteDance, sells it by January 19. Social media theorist Clay Shirky unpacks why the US is trying to ban TikTok, what it means for the app's users and creators and the implications for national security, freedom of speech, US-China relations and more. (This interview, hosted by TED's Whitney Pennington Rodgers, was recorded on January 8, 2025.)
The clock is ticking on social media giant TikTok, which faces a nationwide ban in the United States unless its parent company, ByteDance, sells it by January 19. Social media theorist Clay Shirky unpacks why the US is trying to ban TikTok, what it means for the app's users and creators and the implications for national security, freedom of speech, US-China relations and more. (This interview, hosted by TED's Whitney Pennington Rodgers, was recorded on January 8, 2025.)
The clock is ticking on social media giant TikTok, which faces a nationwide ban in the United States unless its parent company, ByteDance, sells it by January 19. Social media theorist Clay Shirky unpacks why the US is trying to ban TikTok, what it means for the app's users and creators and the implications for national security, freedom of speech, US-China relations and more. (This interview, hosted by TED's Whitney Pennington Rodgers, was recorded on January 8, 2025.) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Freddie deBoer has a post on what he calls “the temporal Copernican principle.” He argues we shouldn't expect a singularity, apocalypse, or any other crazy event in our lifetimes. Discussing celebrity transhumanist Yuval Harari, he writes: What I want to say to people like Yuval Harari is this. The modern human species is about 250,000 years old, give or take 50,000 years depending on who you ask. Let's hope that it keeps going for awhile - we'll be conservative and say 50,000 more years of human life. So let's just throw out 300,000 years as the span of human existence, even though it could easily be 500,000 or a million or more. Harari's lifespan, if he's lucky, will probably top out at about 100 years. So: what are the odds that Harari's lifespan overlaps with the most important period in human history, as he believes, given those numbers? That it overlaps with a particularly important period of human history at all? Even if we take the conservative estimate for the length of human existence of 300,000 years, that means Harari's likely lifespan is only about .33% of the entirety of human existence. Isn't assuming that this .33% is somehow particularly special a very bad assumption, just from the basis of probability? And shouldn't we be even more skeptical given that our basic psychology gives us every reason to overestimate the importance of our own time? (I think there might be a math error here - 100 years out of 300,000 is 0.033%, not 0.33% - but this isn't my main objection.) He then condemns a wide range of people, including me, for failing to understand this: Some people who routinely violate the Temporal Copernican Principle include Harari, Eliezer Yudkowsky, Sam Altman, Francis Fukuyama, Elon Musk, Clay Shirky, Tyler Cowen, Matt Yglesias, Tom Friedman, Scott Alexander, every tech company CEO, Ray Kurzweil, Robin Hanson, and many many more. I think they should ask themselves how much of their understanding of the future ultimately stems from a deep-seated need to believe that their times are important because they think they themselves are important, or want to be. I deny misunderstanding this. Freddie is wrong. https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/contra-deboer-on-temporal-copernicanism
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Max looks back at the previous New Year's episode, and was surprised by how right he was on the changes we saw in our channels of information online this year. He reviews the news of the year, particularly the innovations in AI that have come to the forefront, and comments on Clay Shirky's Twitter rant.
Clay Shirky has long been an influential voice on how technology is impacting society. These days the NYU professor has been weighing in on where higher ed is headed, with a newsletter called "The (Continual) Transformation of Higher Education."
Die Sendung 91 im Überblick 00:00 SHOW INTRO Florian Städtler 06:02 MITGLIEDER-STECKBRIEF DER WOCHE: Röne Stäheli Hungerbühler aus Zürich 10:05 GENERATION FRAGEZEICHEN: Purpose-Perspektiven mit Juliana Brell 30:13 FUNDSTÜCK DER WOCHE: Ruhe! von Wolf Lotter auf getabstract 33:13 NACHGEHAKT: Julia Henkes Kommentar zum Artikel “Warum das Büro nach der Pandemie zurückkehren und unser Leben noch mehr bestimmen wird als je zuvor” 46:02 SHOW OUTRO Florian Städtler Show Notes zur Sendung 91 Juliana Brell auf LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/juxliana-brell/ Podcast “Geiler Laden” https://anchor.fm/geiler-laden/episodes/Purpose--CSR--Gesinnung-und-andere-Seuchen-e19vbqv Stephan Tiersch von Kresse & Discher auf LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-stephan-tiersch-25a30021/ Carsten Rossi von Kamann Rossi auf LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/carstenrossi/ Ikigai bei Wikipedia https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikigai Wolf Lotter Blog-Beitrag für getabstract https://journal.getabstract.com/de/2022/01/04/ruhe/ Wolf Lotter, Website www.wolf-lotter.de Clay Shirky, Autor, Redner, Berater - Wikipedia-Seite https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_Shirky Julia Henke auf LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/julia-henke-027502211/ Julia Henke, Website JWLS/ Hello, Evolution! https://www.hello-evolution.com/ Online-Beitrag in der NZZ “Warum das Büro nach der Pandemie… https://www.nzz.ch/folio/homeoffice-oder-buero-wie-wir-nach-der-pandemie-arbeiten-ld.1661418 Boris Wehmann, Initiator der Diskussionsgruppe “Mobiles Arbeiten - Miro Board “Home Office, Remote Work & Co.” https://miro.com/app/board/uXjVOXyGlLA=/ Das Community Radio zur Gestaltung der Arbeitswelt Expedition Arbeit präsentiert sein Community Radio zur Gestaltung der Arbeitswelt, moderiert von Florian Städtler. Jeden Montag und hin und wieder auch unter der Woche erscheint dieser Podcast und präsentiert Nachrichten und Meinungen rund um Themen aus Arbeit und Wirtschaft. Die Inhalte kommen aus über zweihundert ausgewählten Quellen und von den Expedition Arbeit-Mitgliedern selbst. Immer mittwochs um 18 Uhr treffen wir uns in einer einstündigen Zoom-Online-Session, diskutieren die “These der Woche”, lassen uns von Impulsgeber:innen inspirieren oder schauen Könner:innen in Fishbowl-Diskussionen zu, um sie anschließend zu befragen. Mehr Informationen zu unserem Netzwerk findet Ihr unter www.expedition-arbeit.de, Mitglied werden kannst du unter https://steadyhq.com/de/expeditionarbeit/about. Wer als Mitglied oder Interessent:in auf dem Laufenden bleiben will, der ist herzlich in die LinkedIn-Gruppe "Expedition Arbeit" eingeladen. https://www.linkedin.com/groups/8998011/ Allgemeine Links zu Expedition Arbeit Ideen, Anregungen und Kritisches an die Redaktion: florian@expedition-arbeit.de Expedition Arbeit-Mitglied werden, https://steadyhq.com/de/expeditionarbeit/about Expedition Arbeit - Offene LinkedIn-Gruppe https://www.linkedin.com/groups/8998011/ Community Management und Host Community Radio: Florian Städtler bei LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/fstaedtler/ Redaktionsleitung: Wolfgang Pfeifer https://www.linkedin.com/in/wolfgangpfeifer/ Sprecherin Zwischenmoderationen: Stefanie Mrachacz https://www.linkedin.com/in/stefanie-mrachacz-436392112/ Schnitt und Mix: Yannik Mattes https://www.linkedin.com/in/yannik-mattes-9b0993206/ Die Musik und SFX (Sound-Effekte) in allen Sendungen stammen von der Plattform www.audiio.com bzw. von Florian Städtler
William talks to the learning expert, Donald Clark, about the history of learning theory and about the best way to teach and learn history.Questions covered:Where does Donald's interest in history come from?How has the way in which we learn changed over time?Why is the invention of writing the “Big Bang” moment of collective learning?Why is the invention of binary or computer language such an important moment in the development of learning?Is collective learning our unique trait?How did technology enable collective learning?Who are the experts in the field of learning?Does AI or machine learning give us any insight into human learning?Would it be possible to have Wikipedia in our heads?Who are the people who have changed our perceptions of learning?What are the major strands in learning theory?Have we arrived at a more scientific approach to understanding learning?What is the connection between learning and teaching?To what extent can the teacher be held responsible for the student's learning?Does critical thinking hold up as an abstract concept?How should we teach history if learning theories are incorporated?Why is it important to make history teaching more concrete?How should history teachers think about online learning design?Why should we let go of Bloom's taxonomy?Donald's advice to learn more effectively...You might want to read up on the following people: James Hutton, David C Geary, Daniel Kahneman, James Mark Baldwin, Tommy Flowers, Robin Dunbar, Douglas Engelbart, Clay Shirky, Donald Hebb, Herman Ebbinghaus, Edward Tolman, Albert Bandura, Henry Roediger, Jeffrey D Karpicke, Robert A Bjork, Barak Rosenshine, Robert Marzano, John Hattie, Paul Black and Dylan William.Or just visit Donald's blog here. He is also on twitter @DonaldClark Please let us know what you thought about this episode at highschoolhistoryrecap@gmail.com or find us on twitter: William and Colin.Support the show (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=Q8KGSAT37YCPA&source=url)
Clay Shirky is a man of many talents — author, educator, and now Vice Provost of Educational Technologies at the New York University. This week, Clay joins Paul and Rich to discuss his role in procuring tech for a large educational institution and shares how the pandemic made us more aware than ever of ed tech's shortcomings. He also breaks down the dangers of optimizing for stability instead of flexibility. Could low-code solutions be the answer for universities? Clay thinks so, but it's not always that easy. Links:Clay Shirky TwitterHere Comes EverybodyMeet the Numtots
In Part 2 - ‘Hacking Humans', we fold in the next layer of our conversation with Peter Smyth.This time, Drago and I enjoy hearing his modus operandi for understanding people and culture…· ‘Thinking in bets', and how life is far more poker than chess· How great insight boils down to great people illuminating the opportunity ahead…· Balancing gut instinct vs. ‘what the data is saying', both-ism and the art of integrated thinking (why the separation between art and science?)· Case-study writing: how the reality of the work isn't captured by a template for linear thinking· Managing people: applying parenting principles, the importance of encouraging ‘self-agency' and instilling not only motivation – but creating opportunities to initiate change Plus a selection of thought-provoking books, namely:· Thinking in Bets: Making Smarter Decisions When You Don't Have All the Facts, Annie Duke· Cognitive Surplus, Clay Shirky· The Hero with a Thousand Faces, Joseph Campbell
Con la excusa del cumpleaños número 20 de Wikipedia, Laura y Santiago se ponen a explorar una de las siete maravillas del mundo digital. Si ya son fans de Wikipedia, los invitamos a celebrar su amor con este episodio. Si todavía no están asombrados por una obra tan colosal y tan noble, pongan play (que este es el momento). Con el apoyo de: ▸ Oyentes como tú en Patreon. ▸ Compradores de la Tienda de Cosas de Internet. Notas del episodio: Así se ve el «artículo» de Cosas de Internet en Wikipedia hoy en día. Página de celebración de los 20 años de Wikipedia. Las reglas para contribuir a Wikipedia se basan en cinco pilares, uno de ellos es mantener un punto de vista neutral. Y, vale decirlo, las personas detrás de Wikipedia son bastante flexibles con las reglas (porque todo el tiempo están en discusión). Un libro clave para la conversación de este episodio fue «Here Comes Everybody», de Clay Shirky. Este video nos ayudó a entender cómo se toman decisiones en Wikipedia: «Governance structure of Wikipedia». «Excedente cognitivo» o, en inglés, «Cognitive Surplus». Santi mencionó a Quora y Kialo como ejemplos de otras páginas que también se construyen con el «surplus cognitivo». En el 2017, el gobierno de Turquía bloqueó el acceso a Wikipedia. Wikipedistas en Turquía celebrando en un café. En la entrada de blog «My role in Wikipedia» Larry Sanger describe con detalle cómo contribuyó a la formación de la enciclopedia. Ahí también comparte links a comunicados de prensa oficiales que lo señalan como cofundador. Encontramos el primer correo que envío Larry Sanger a la comunidad de Nupedia invitándolos a crear artículos en Wikipedia. Aquí sale el momento en que Wikipedia pasó a ser una página con «.org». En la lección de TED-Ed sobre la enciclopedia, aparece la anécdota del árbol brasilero que Diderot consideró irrelevante. El árbol se llama «Urena lobata» (o «Aguaxima» en portugués). Acá la profesora de historia nos enseñó tantas anécdotas de la enciclopedia de Diderot. Extras: Formulario para inscribirse al newsletter de Cosas de Internet. Agradecimientos especiales a las personas que nos enviarnos notas de voz, al inicio de este episodio escucharon las contribuciones de: Daniel Ricardo Pava & Sofi Ángela Sofía Bilbao Pazmiño & Lina Daniel Acevedo Jaramillo Elian Diaz & compañía Alison Julieth Castelblanco Pineda ♢ Si te gusta Cosas de Internet, considera apoyarnos acá.
Clay Shirky has always been an optimist, believing in the potential of the internet to bring humanity together. But recent trends – from the spread of fake news to the rise in online vitriol – seem to have thrown his vision of cooperation and trust into serious doubt. Does the promise of the internet which Shirky has spent so many years touting still hold true? In this week's episode of The Good Fight, Yascha Mounk and Clay Shirky sit down to discuss if social media might be more of a curse than a blessing, whether or not to regulate the virtual public square, and how the internet has turned the world into a “global village.” Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: goodfightpod@gmail.com Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by John T. Williams and Rebecca Rashid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Suplementação de Vitamina D na Prevenção do Diabetes Tipo 2 - Programa 717 da SBE - Ep. 080 Suplementar Vitamina D previne Diabetes Tipo 2? Em uma das aulas do meu curso eu ensino como nós, profissionais de saúde, devemos criar um serviço de alertas dentro das bases de dados de artigos científicos para nos notificar de novos estudos que merecem análise crítica. Como disse Clay Shirky e não canso de citá-lo, um dos grandes problemas na busca por boas evidências não é o excesso de informações, mas a ausência de filtros! Com meu filtro pessoal, recebo pouquíssimos artigos por mês! Além desse serviço, tenho a honra e o orgulho de termos o grupo JEDI DA SBE, com diversos alunos muito acima da média que também compartilham estudos importantes para a prática clínica. Não me lembro ao certo a data específica mas recebi o alerta de um artigo que, de acordo com a relevância do meu filtro pessoal e da minha prática clínica, mereceria uma leitura mais crítica. No mesmo dia o Mestre Jedi da SBE Dr. Ivan Ramos (dr.ivanramos) também colocou esse artigo no grupo JEDI DA SBE para que todos pudessem analisá-lo criticamente. Alguns fizeram isso brilhantemente! Não vejo a hora de trazer mais esses alunos para darem aulas, pois são muito bons! O estudo é uma Revisão Sistemática com Metanálise de Ensaios Clínicos Randomizados (RCTs) sobre a Suplementação de Vitamina D para a prevenção do Diabetes Tipo 2. #717daSBE
Have you heard the term fake news? It’s been around for a while, but it was popularized by Trump who continues to dismiss all checks to his Big Lie and tries to continue muddying the waters around truth, facts, and reality. We bring you a conversation with Professor Emily Bell of Columbia University School of Journalism. In it, you’ll get the tools to fight for reality, for facts, for science, and be on the factually correct side of history. Have questions, comments, or concerns? Email us at hello@dearwhitewomen.com What to listen for: The history of fake news, and how technology has exacerbated its spread The roles of “traditional” journalism vs social media How to spot fake news What to do if you’re suspicious about something a friend shares on social media - how to push back in a productive way What role critical thinking plays, along with psychological influences as to why people share and believe fake news About Professor Emily Bell: Emily Bell is the founding director of the Tow Center for Digital Journalism (link is external) at Columbia Journalism School and a leading thinker, commentator, and strategist on digital journalism. Established in 2010, the Tow Center has rapidly built an international reputation for research into the intersection of technology and journalism. The majority of Bell’s career was spent at Guardian News and Media in London working as an award-winning writer and editor both in print and online. As editor-in-chief across Guardian websites and director of digital content for Guardian News and Media, Bell led the web team in pioneering live blogging, multimedia formats, data, and social media, making the Guardian a recognized pioneer in the field. She is co-author of “Post Industrial Journalism: Adapting to the Present” (2012) with CW Anderson and Clay Shirky. Bell is a trustee on the board of the Scott Trust, the owners of The Guardian, a member of Columbia Journalism Review’s board of overseers, an adviser to Tamedia Group in Switzerland, has served as chair of the World Economic Forum’s Global Advisory Council on social media, and has served as a member of Poynter’s National Advisory Board. She delivered the Reuters Memorial Lecture in 2014, the Hugh Cudlipp Lecture in 2015, and was the 2016 Humanitas Visiting Professor in Media at the University of Cambridge. She lives in New York City with her husband and children Support us through Patreon! Learn about our virtual community – and you’re welcome to join. Like what you hear? Don’t miss another episode and subscribe! Catch up on more commentary between episodes by following us on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter – and even more opinions and resources if you join our email list.
Kyle shares his journey from aspiring actor in NYC to the creation of online magazine Urban Desires; the World Wide Web Artists Consortium (WWWAC); and AGENCY.COM, where he served as Chief Creative Officer of one of the first and largest digital Web agencies of the era. 3:26 - Why Early Days Were Remarkable 8:00 - How Kyle Got His Start 13:08 - "The world just changed!" 19:20 - Clay Shirky and "Geek & Tells" 23:35 - Working with MetLife 25:50 - How Ritesh Joined AGENCY.COM 29:30 - "The PIT" 32:55 - Winning British Airways Account 46:02 - Hiring 30 people in 30 Days! 50:14 - The Creation of TAPENET 52:03 - What's Happened Since the Early Days
Não é Transformação Digital, mas Civilizacional! O Digital permite quebrar a barreira das trocas, de forma horizontal. Nunca tantos, puderam confiar e fazer negócios com tanta gente! Pierre Lévy sintetiza que a nova civilização permite, pela primeira vez na nossa jornada adaptativa, a interação humana de muito para muitos. Clay Shirky sintetiza que a nova civilização permite, pela primeira vez na nossa jornada adaptativa, publicar informações serviços e produtos e filtrar depois. Temos hoje o início de um novo modelo administrativo, que nos permite quebrar a barreira da qualidade personalizada em larga escala. Quem quer se transformar para enfrentar a nova civilização, tem que entender as novas tecnopossibilidades abertas e usar a criatividade para fazer novos negócios. Não é, assim, Transformação Digital, mas Civilizacional! É isso, que dizes? Aproveite a promoção de final de ano. Entre na escola agora, pegue ainda o final da quarta imersão e fique conosco até o final de junho de 2021: https://sun.eduzz.com/377798
Crise do Hotmart e o muro filosófico do novo século Na Qualidade Distribuída, o Administrador 2.0 não interfere em ABSOLUTAMENTE NADA no conteúdo, apenas melhora cada vez mais as regras para que os usuários decidam. Quem sintetizou de forma espetacular a base conceitual da nova civilização foi o tecno-pensador Clay Shirky: “Antes do Digital nós filtrávamos para publicar e agora se publica para filtrar.” – Clay Shirky. O Hotmart, querendo definir o conteúdo “válido” explicita a crise da passagem entre a Gestão (Qualidade Central) e a Curadoria (Qualidade Distribuída). O Hotmart está no meio da escada subindo o muro filosófico: já não é mais gestão, mais ainda também não é Curadoria é Gestoria! O Hotmart precisa de um empurrão filosófico para ver se consegue saltar o muro civilizacional. É isso, que dizes? https://nepo.com.br/2020/09/04/crise-do-hotmart-e-o-muro-filosofico-do-novo-seculo/
Marc Sims asks Syron Smith; are charities maintaining the power dynamics of the USA? "Institutions will try to preserve the problem to which they are the solution" Clay Shirky
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Clay Shirky: Live and Interactive with Clay Shirky on Thursday | Steve Hargadon | Feb 18 2010 by Steve Hargadon
Diseño para la motivación intrínseca. El gurú de Internet y autor Clay Shirky (www.shirky.com) dice que las páginas web y foros electrónicos que tienen más éxito cuentan con cierto enfoque del Tipo I en su ADN. Están diseñados —a menudo de manera explícita— para excitar la motivación intrínseca, y tú puedes hacer lo mismo con tu presencia online si escuchas a Shirky y: • Creas un entorno que anime a la gente a participar. • Das autonomía a los usuarios. • Tienes un sistema lo más abierto posible NO ESTOY SEGURO DE QUE SEA PARA TI, PERO quiero hacerte un REGALO (Accede Gratis a mi TEST DISC de Personalidad) ENTRA AQUÍ: https://bit.ly/2Gt89rS Descubre CÓMO ERES y CÓMO TE VEN los demás. ¡Gracias por ESCUCHAR el PODCAST! davidblancoperez.com
Organizar um grupo grande é difícil. Você já deve ter percebido isso quando tentou brindar em uma mesa cheia. Quando estão só você e dois amigos numa mesa de bar, é fácil. Grupos maiores são mais difíceis de gerir. Um brinde entre todas as possibilidades numa mesa com 16 pessoas demora um certo tempo. O papo aqui não é etílico, mas organizacional. Conforme um grupo vai crescendo em tamanho — e a complexidade vai crescendo junto —, é preciso uma forma de organizar as pessoas para que todas elas consigam executar o que devem sem que a complexidade atrapalhe. Foi por isso que nasceram as organizações. "Nós usamos a palavra 'organização' para explicar tanto o estado de estar organizado como os grupos que fazem a organização — 'nossa organização organiza a conferência anual'. Usamos uma das palavras porque, a partir de uma determinada escala, nós não conseguimos nos organizar sem organizações; o primeiro implica no segundo". Parece um trava-língua, um exercício de um programa infantil da TV Cultura, mas a explicação do Clay Shirky prepara o terreno para entendermos um conceito tão familiar a todos nós que nem paramos para pensar direito. O Tecnocracia desta semana vai falar sobre empresas, especificamente sobre a sobrevivência de empresas. Mais à frente você vai entender. (mais…)
On this week’s show we interview Ben Newton about his podcast Masters of Data, We also introduce our new books feature I Must Read It Again – a big thanks to Matt Jukes for his inaugural contribution which is Clay Shirky’s Here Comes Everybody. A minor disclaimer – this week we tried an interesting new tool for […]
Todo mundo pode publicar alguma coisa na internet. Mas em que medida isso é bom ou ruim? Mencionados no episódio: "Lá Vem Todo Mundo", de Clay Shirky: https://amzn.to/2RFrzPo e "Mostre Seu Trabalho", de Austin Kleon: https://amzn.to/2ILk5Gp
Guest Bio: Jeff Atwood is an experienced software developer with a particular interest in the human side of software development. In 2004 Jeff started the blog “Coding Horror” which led to him founding Stack Overflow and subsequently the Stack Exchange network, now one of the 150 largest sites on the internet. Episode Description: In this episode, Phil chats with Stack Overflow Founder and writer of the blog “Coding Horror”, Jeff Atwood. Jeff shares his career journey from starting his blog to founding Stack Overflow and starting his latest project, Discourse. Jeff recalls his experience way back on how hard it was to get hold of resources about programming, unlike today. Aside from these, Jeff also stresses how important it is to hone your communication skills – whether it be through writing or networking face-to-face with people. Discover how important this is and how it can help you to grow your career. Key Takeaways: (1.02) Phil opens the show by asking Jeff to share a little more about his career journey. Jeff emphasizes that a huge part of his career is coloured by his blog “Coding Horror.” Jeff shares how he started his blog in 2004 as an open research notebook. He adds that his writings are still accruing benefits for him so he advises that you also make your work public. (4.10) Phil highlights the technological changes that have happened since Jeff started his blog. It’s all about portability and smartphones right now. Jeff agrees and adds that the speed of conversation is moving forward rapidly. There’s lesser long-form writing which he considers not to be a bad thing. He also recognizes that information is digested more through images than words. (6.28) Phil then asks Jeff for a unique career tip. Jeff’s primary advice is to take into account the people you’re working with. He says that you should make sure that your team is better than you. You should not be the smartest or best person at your job. He adds that any programming job today is navigating the waters of and interacting with other people in the IT industry. (8.54) Phil and Jeff talk about Jeff’s worst IT career moment. Jeff talks about pre-internet times when it was hard to find people that you can actually learn from. All his IT failures were due to limitations in being able to learn and grow. He says that programmers nowadays are lucky to be living in a hyperconnected world where resources and mentors can be found easily. (12.21) Jeff says that meeting his hero Clay Shirky was his career highlight. Jeff claims that him building Stack Overflow has been greatly influenced by the writings of Clay Shirky about the human interactions in programming. Stack Overflow is really about one working programmer helping another working programmer. (16:29) Phil proceeds to ask Jeff’s take on the future of IT. Jeff agrees that a programmer is needed in building and fixing things. But he says that he’s got mixed feelings about how we perceive it as essential for everyone. Some people are just interested in how they optimize the use of computers and tech, in general. And, that’s what all programmers should consider. (19.20) Moving onto the Reveal Round, Phil first asks what attracted Jeff to start an IT career. Jeff answers that it’s about being a kid living in the world without control. And the only thing he considers he can control is a computer. It’s not just entertainment he gets but he also learns from it. (20.45) Phil then asks about the best career advice Jeff ever received. Jeff advises that whenever you’re at a crossroads and you have to make a decision, you should choose the option that scares you. He adds that if there is no fear, then you’re not really challenging yourself. (22.02) When Jeff was asked what he’d change if he was to start his IT career again right now, he answered that he’d choose to start 15 years earlier than when he started. There’s so much information that he thinks he could use and it’s accessible to everyone. (23.44) Phil wants to know about Jeff’s career objectives. Jeff shares that he’s currently working on Discourse. This is very different from the Q&A platform of Stack Overflow. Discourse concentrates on a more social kind of interaction between users. As Jeff puts it, “It’s a tool for not letting online discourse devolve into the howling of wolves.” And unlike Stack Overflow, Discourse is open-source. [26:34] Phil then continues the conversation asking about Jeff’s non-technical skill and which one has helped his career the most. Jeff quickly answers that it’s his writing skills. Practicing your writing skills will help you in the grand scheme of things. He says that even Stack Overflow hones good writing skills. The best answers are always those which are clear and concise. [28:07] Finally, Jeff shares his parting career advice for the IT Career Energizer audience. He reiterates his original advice to challenge yourself and to pick things that scare you a bit. Once you’re exploring difficult scenarios, you’re honing your skills. Best Takeaways: (03:39) Jeff: "The really endearing lesson for me is do a lot of your work in public because you gain tremendous benefit from that." (06.56) "If you're at a job where you feel like, “I'm the smartest person at this job,” then that's a bad job... You should not be the smartest person at your job. If you are, you need to reconsider where you're going rapidly." (10.56) "All my earliest IT career fails were really about being in isolation and just not knowing what I’m supposed to be doing." (18.04) "The job of programmers is to make sure we don't need that many programmers." Contact Jeff Atwood: Discourse: https://www.discourse.org/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/codinghorror/ Blog: https://blog.codinghorror.com/
Laura y Santiago hablan sobre esa vieja práctica de ir hasta un salón de clases a encontrarse cara a cara —en tiempo real— con un profesor y algunos compañeros para estudiar. Es decir, ¿será que Internet ya está listo para asumir el reto de la educación? www.cosasdeinternet.fm Con el apoyo de: ▸Oyentes como tú en Patreon Notas del episodio: Ayúdanos a hacer más episodios como este en Patreon. Los artículos que se topó Laura en Wikipedia sobre «online learning». Curso «Creación de podcast» en Platzi. Daphne Koller, la fundadora de Coursera, explica cómo se aprende en línea. «Misconceptions About Temperature», el video de Veritasium donde compara la temperatura de un libro con la de un disco duro metálico. El artículo académico de Hope Kentnor: «Distance Education and the Evolution of Online Learning in the United States». Y el escrito de Clay Shirky hablando de educación en línea: «Napster, Udacity, and the Academy». Juan Manuel Santos, el nobel de paz colombiano, enseñando en Harvard. Radio Sutatenza (el proyecto). La historia de Khan Academy en este episodio de podcast: «Rethinking School». Pregrado en Narrativas digitales. Recomendación: «The First 20 Hours: How to Learn Anything . . . Fast!».
Se todo mundo quiser falar, mas ninguém quiser ouvir, o que acontece? Lá vem todo mundo: O poder de organizar sem organizações, Clay Shirky A cultura da participação: Criatividade e generosidade no mundo conectado, Clay Shirky
MTT014|Scrible, Modern Research Platform for School and Work - with Matt Menschner, High School ELA and History Teacher www.mytechtoolbelt.com @mytechtoolbelt #MyTechToolbelt You can listen to our podcast on: Apple Podcasts Google Play Music Spotify or listen here Disclosure: Some of the links below are affiliate links, meaning, at no additional cost to you, we will earn a commission if you click through and make a purchase. Scrible Website A little about Matt Menschner: “I am a fourth-year teacher in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. I graduated from Temple University in December 2014. My content area of focus in college was history, but after graduation I also pursued a certification in English. After graduating I began teaching at a middle school in West Philadelphia, but the following year I returned to the neighborhood high school in North Philadelphia where I completed my student teaching fieldwork the year prior. As an advocate of technology in the classroom, I am constantly adapting and modifying the way that I teach my students and meet their diverse educational needs. I occasionally act as a consult for Scrible, Inc. and I have incorporated a myriad of other educational technologies in my class to improve instructional outcomes. In addition to teaching and consulting, I am also a Fellow with the Teachers Institute of Philadelphia at the University of Pennsylvania. Through TIP, I conduct research and publish original curriculum units that are available to educators across the world. As a staunch advocate of educational technology and personalized learning, I encourage and model for my students inquisitiveness, adaptability and digital citizenship in an age of boundless opportunity and information.” Matt tells us how he uses Scrible, “Scrible is a tool that takes much of the micromanagement and headache out of facilitating research-based assignments and projects in the classroom. It has been a dream come true for teachers like myself who are teaching humanities courses that require students to research and manage a collection of sources in an inquiry-based model. Scrible is cloud-based so any device with internet can access student and teacher libraries. Assignments both large and small work well with Scrible due to its text editing, citation and realtime collaborative features. It also affords teachers the ability to modify their instruction or manage projects based on data-driven results. Scrible is a tool that takes much of the micromanagement and headache out of facilitating research-based assignments and projects in the classroom. With Scrible you can save webpages for later, bookmark websites in the cloud, store files in the cloud, build your own library of articles, organize your library with tags, full-text search your library, annotate articles in your browser, make comments directly on webpages, and share annotated articles with others. Books mentioned: Out of Our Minds: Learning to be Creative by Ken Robinson Here Comes Everybody: The Power of Organizing without Organizations by Clay Shirky A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn For White Folks who Teach in the Hood, and the Rest of Y'all Too: Reality Pedagogy and Urban Education by Christopher Emdin Lies my Teacher Told Me: Everything your American History Textbook Got Wrong by James Loewen The Craft of Research by Wayne C. Booth et al. Reading with Patrick: A Teacher, a Student, and a Life-Changing Friendship by Michelle Kuo Contact Matt Menschner on LinkedIn! Matt Menschner's email: mattmenschner@gmail.com We would love to hear from you! Let us know if this format is helpful to you! Is there technology out there that you would like us to cover in one of our episodes? Let us know! Email us Shannon@MyTechToolbelt.com Brenda@MyTechToolbelt.com If you enjoyed this episode, tell a friend, and SUBSCRIBE TO THE SHOW! And please consider leaving us a rating and review. Please share this podcast with someone you think might be interested in the content. What’s in your Tech Toolbelt? Music: http://www.bensound.com/royalty-free-music
Many online news media outlets, especially those that were borne out of print publications, have paywalls. You might be able to view a handful of articles, but you have to pay to keep reading. However, some paywalls are stricter than others. The Financial Times is strict. I was able to read one article, via a Twitter link, and then no more. How does having such a strict paywall affect on-site community building? Community manager and “comments advocate” Lilah Raptopoulos joins the show to talk about it. Plus: What having wealthier commenters does to the comments How the Financial Times identifies the value of on-site community efforts The thing Lilah would like to do next when she secures development resources for the FT comments Our Podcast is Made Possible By… If you enjoy our show, please know that it’s only possible with the generous support of our sponsor: Higher Logic. Big Quotes “[Having a strict paywall] means that we don’t really have a major troll problem. We don’t have a lot of comments that are spamming or going in to wreak havoc or distract people consciously. … That means that some of these issues that a lot of news organizations, with more open paywalls or no paywalls, have are things we don’t have to worry about. But it does mean that, yes, we have fewer comments, and it means that we have different issues that we’re facing around contentious topics than a news organization that doesn’t have such a high barrier to participate.” -@lilahrap “You [have] a commenter who has commented very thoughtfully on a number of topics, but about the European migration crisis, they leave a comment that could be considered Islamaphobic. It’s careful in its wording, but clearly prejudiced, or maybe a questionable interpretation of the facts. It gets a hundred likes. If you delete it as a moderator, you lose the opportunity for someone to respond and have a conversation happen that could actually build empathy and develop these opinions. I’ve seen it happen before in our comments. You delete the comment and the opportunity is gone. The person, and all those who agree with them, continue on unchallenged and convinced of media bias. But if you don’t delete it, and the conversation doesn’t happen, that comment thread could make a Muslim reader feel unwelcome on our pages, and not willing to participate, in a place where otherwise, if it felt more open to that point of view, might. I don’t want that either.” -@lilahrap “We have this robust community of commenters on-site. Even though a very small percentage of our readers comment, like most news sites, a surprising, shockingly large percentage of them read the comments. That’s important to us, because these people are our most loyal and engaged subscribers. We care about growing that community, because they’re in our sphere. They’re on our site, they’re having conversations based on our guidelines. It’s a space where they can interact with our journalists. We don’t want to lose them to off-site platforms, which are often thinking quite commercially about creating an experience that’s addictive.” -@lilahrap About Lilah Raptopoulos Lilah Raptopoulos is the community manager at the Financial Times, where she is responsible for reader comments and all other forms of on-site reader participation. Lilah has had a penchant for community journalism since college, where she developed a self-designed major called New Media Studies to explore how new technology has changed the way people interact with each other and their news. After two years in finance, she joined NYU’s Studio 20 masters program in journalism, where, under media critics Jay Rosen and Clay Shirky, she focused on how journalists can use their community of readers as a resource. Lilah worked at The Guardian on a number of community journalism stories and projects, including the British Journalism Award-winning Keep it in the Ground environmental campaign. In 2015, she reported from Greece on the human side of their financial crisis. She has been published in the FT, The Guardian, Public Radio International, Quartz, BuzzFeed News and Fusion. Related Links Sponsor: Higher Logic, the community platform for community managers Lilah on Twitter Financial Times, the 129 year old publication, focused on business and economic news, where Lilah is community manager New York University’s Studio 20 masters program, where Lilah studied under Jay Rosen and Clay Shirky Keep it in the Crowd, a British Journalism Award-winning environment campaign from The Guardian, which Lilah worked on Atari, the first stock that Patrick owned Amanda Zamora, chief audience officer at the Texas Tribune Community Signal episodes with the online community leaders at The Guardian, The Washington Post and The New York Times “Management’s Missing Women,” an example of an FT series where a journalist put out a call for stories from their readers “Turning Content Viewers Into Subscribers” by Lior Zalmanson and Gal Oestreicher-Singer for MIT Sloan Management Review, about the “ladders of participation” study “Comment Section Survey Across 20 News Sites” by Natalie (Talia) Jomini Stroud, Emily Van Duyn, Alexis Alizor and Cameron Lang for the Engaging News Project, where commenters were asked to rate the civility of the comment sections for various news outlets “Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook” by Sarah Frier and Gerry Smith for Bloomberg Businessweek, which Lilah shared on Twitter The Financial Times Commenting Guidelines Comments by Martin Wolf, chief economics commentator at the Financial Times, shared on Twitter by Lilah myFT, the personalized Financial Times homepage for individual readers Transcript View the transcript on our website Your Thoughts If you have any thoughts on this episode that you’d like to share, please leave me a comment, send me an email or a tweet. If you enjoy the show, we would be so grateful if you spread the word and supported Community Signal on Patreon. Thank you for listening to Community Signal.
Laura y Santiago hablan sobre la gente que trabaja en Facebook borrando contenidos que no son apropiados. Luego Santiago cuenta la historia de Wikipedia, la enciclopedia más genial. www.cosasdeinternet.fm Con el apoyo de: ▸Oyentes como tú en Patreon. Notas del episodio: Intro: video de niño haciendo lip sync. Facebook busca contratar a 3000 moderadores para vigilar el contenido ofensivo, en este artículo hay más detalles de las cosas feas publicadas en Facebook recientemente. Vale aclarar que Laura se confundió con la noticia del bebé, en realidad fue en Tailandia y la niña tenía 11 meses. Facebook Files en The Guardian. Algo que se no mencionamos es que la información sobre Facebook fue un leak, o sea que ellos no lo publicaron sus guías voluntariamente. Las guías de moderación que lee Laura, en el artículo de Semana. Las guías en inglés por The Guardian (video chévere de ver). La vida de un moderador de Facebook, uno de los artículos de la serie Facebook Files (ahí hablan de la Internet Watch Foundation). Trabajadora de Facebook que escribió la respuesta a los Facebook Files: «At Facebook we get things wrong – but we take our safety role seriously». La foto censurada de Cata Pirata. Internet Watch Foundation. Tweet de Jimmy Wales sobre la campaña Compartir no es Delito. Página de Wikipedia en Wikipedia. Larry Sanger, uno de los fundadores de Wikipedia. A Santiago se le cruzaron los cables y todo el episodio dice Larry Sanders. El error lo mortifica. Recomendación: Here comes everybody, de Clay Shirky.
I detta specialavsnitt har vi vår systerpodd 'Den Digitala Draken' med Tom Xiong och Jacob Lovén som lär oss om startup-ekosystemet i Kina, vad man bör veta innan man börjar fila på sin expansionsplan österut, vem är den Kinesiska konsumenten, hur business fungerar i Kina m.m. Relevanta Länkar: Den Digitala Draken- http://www.digitaladraken.com/ Den Digitala Draken iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/se/podcast/den-digitala-draken/id1128356314?l=en&mt=2 A16Z podcast- http://a16z.com/podcasts/ Sam Harris- Waking Up: https://itunes.apple.com/se/podcast/waking-up-with-sam-harris/id733163012?l=en&mt=2 WeChat: https://www.wechat.com/en/ Bill Bishop's Sinocism: https://sinocism.com/ Clay Shirky's "Little Rice": https://www.amazon.com/Little-Rice-Smartphones-Xiaomi-Chinese/dp/0990976327 Henry 'Hank' Paulson's "Dealing with China": https://www.amazon.com/Dealing-China-Insider-Economic-Superpower/dp/1455504203
Em “Lá vem todo mundo” Clay Shirky discute as mudanças sociais e econômicas provocadas pelas ferramentas digitais. A democratização da produção e distribuição de conteúdos tem mudado profundamente nossa sociedade. […] O post Lá vem todo mundo apareceu primeiro em Lucas Conchetto.
In this episode of Sinica, Clay Shirky, the author of Here Comes Everybody who has written about the internet and its effects on society since the 1990s, joins Kaiser and Jeremy to discuss the strengths and weaknesses of China's tech industry and the extraordinary advances the nation has made in the online world. The hour-long conversation delves into the details and big-picture phenomena driving the globe's largest internet market, and includes an analysis of Xiaomi's innovation, the struggles that successful Chinese companies face when taking their brands abroad and the nation's robust ecommerce offerings. Clay has written numerous books, including Little Rice: Smartphones, Xiaomi, and the Chinese Dream in addition to the aforementioned Here Comes Everybody: The Power of Organizing Without Organizations. He is also a Shanghai-based associate professor with New York University's Arthur L. Carter Journalism Institute and the school's Interactive Telecommunications Program. Please take a listen and send feedback to sinica@supchina.com, or leave a review on iTunes. Recommendations: Jeremy: Among the Ten Thousand Things by Julia Pierpont, and Modern China is So Crazy It Needs a New Literary Genre by Ning Ken Clay: Internet Literature in China by Michel Hockx Kaiser: A Billion Voices: China’s Search for a Common Language by David Moser
Author and hedge fund manager Jeff Gramm talks to the FT's John Authers about the biggest boardroom battles of the last century, from the proxyteers of the 1950s, to the corporate raiders of the 80s and the hedge fund activists of today. Then, in an excerpt from the FT's Alphachatterbox podcast, writer and NYU Shanghai professor Clay Shirky outlines the rise of Chinese phone maker Xiaomi, a company considered to be the most valuable startup of all time. Go to FT.com/alphachat for show notes and links. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
No matter how one views Xiaomi -- and there are many ways to view it, for better or worse -- one thing is clear: It, and other such companies (like WeChat and Alibaba), indicate a broader trend around innovation coming from China. Companies and countries that were once positioned as copycats or followers are becoming leaders, and in unexpected, non-obvious ways. For example, through scale, distribution, logistics, infrastructure, O2O, a different kind of ecommerce, mobile marketing, even design... But of a very different kind than iconic examples like, say, SpaceX. Or Apple, which arguably could damage the U.S. if single-mindedly regarded as "our official most innovative company". Or so argue the guests on this podcast, which include a16z partner Connie Chan and author/long-time observer of internet and social media culture Clay Shirky, who is currently based at NYU Shanghai, wrote the popular book Here Comes Everybody, and most recently authored Little Rice on "smartphones, Xiaomi, and the Chinese Dream".
Joined in the studio by IP scholar Mark McKenna, yielding a two to one ratio of IP to non-IP people at headquarters, we discuss: the dilapidated state of headquarters (0:00), computers in the classroom and the first installment of Joe’s Quandary (6:11), topics we do not yet but one day will discuss and the topic for our upcoming live show (15:25), the speech implications of the revocation of trademark registration as with the Washington football team (20:12), and Knitting with Joe and one other bit of feedback (1:20:15). This show’s links: Mark McKenna’s faculty profile and writing The Clear Sky Chart forecast for Athens, Georgia, containing explanations of transparency and seeing Dan Rockmore, The Case for Banning Laptops in the Classroom Clay Shirky, Why I Just Asked My Students To Put Their Laptops Away Pam Mueller and Daniel Oppenheimer, The Pen Is Mightier Than the Keyboard: Advantages of Longhand Over Laptop Note Taking Anne Curzan, Why I’m Asking You Not to Use Laptops Rebecca Schuman, In Defense of Laptops in the Classroom Oral Argument 71: Rolex Tube Socks (guest Mark McKenna) Mark McKenna, Trademark Year in Review In re Simon Shiao Tam Pro-Football, Inc. v. Blackhorse Amicus: The Case of the Missing Constitutional Violation Christine Haight Farley and Robert Tsai, The First Amendment and the Redskins’ Trademark, Part II: A Shot Across the Bow from the Federal Circuit (also containing a link to part one) Christine Haight Farley, Registering Offense: The Prohibition of Slurs as Trademarks Lilit Voskanyan, The Trademark Principal Register as a Nonpublic Forum Theodore Davis, Registration of Scandalous, Immoral, and Disparaging Matter Under Section 2(a) of the Lanham Act: Can One Man's Vulgarity Be Another's Registered Trademark? The National Speed Trap Exchange Special Guest: Mark McKenna.
A Way with Words — language, linguistics, and callers from all over
This week on A Way with Words: The language of restaurant menus. Need a dictionary to get through a dinner menu? Research shows the longer the description of a particular dish, the more expensive it will be. Plus: What's the best way to use a thesaurus? DON'T -- unless, that is, you already know the definition of the word in question. From careless plagiarists to a former president, a look at the embarrassing results when people try using a big word they don't quite understand. Plus, the story behind "Hell's Bells," and what your clothes look like if they're "swarpy." Also, wake vs. awaken, this weekend vs. next weekend, rat-finking, balderdash, Hell's bells!, and widdershins.FULL DETAILSWhatever Roget's Thesaurus may have you believe, sinister buttocks is not a synonym for "left behind." But a growing number of students are blindly using the thesaurus, or Rogeting, trying mask plagiarism. And it's not working.Next Thursday could mean this coming Thursday or the Thursday after. And despite the push to make oxt weekend a term for the weekend after next, even grammarians haven't settled on what next refers to, so it's always important to clarify with the person you're talking to.Among Grant's candidates for his 2014 Words of the Year list are the phrases I can't even and Can you not. The origin of the exclamation Balderdash!, meaning "nonsense," isn't entirely known. It is clear, however, that back in the 17th century balderdash could refer to a frothy mix of liquids, such as beer and buttermilk, or brandy and ale, and later to a jumbled mix of words.The Irish writer Roddy Doyle has some good advice about using a thesaurus: "Do keep a thesaurus, but in the shed at the back of the garden or behind the fridge, somewhere that demands travel or effort."Our quiz guy John Chaneski is back with a game of wedding puns. For example, if Ella Fitzgerald married Darth Vader, she'd be, well, a kind of shoe, or something that might convey you to the top floor of a building. Hell's Bells!, an exclamation along the lines of darn!, is likely just variation of hellfire, and reinforced by its rhyme.Back when George W. Bush was a student at a New England prep school, he took to the thesaurus to impress a teacher, and wound up using a synonym for the wrong meaning tear. Hence, the telltale phrase lacerates falling from my eyes wound up in one of his papers. In addition to being the name of a plastic toy from the 60's, the term rat fink was once used specifically to mean a narc or stool pigeon. Today, it's used generally to mean a despicable person. Like the boy when the calf ran over him, I had nothing to say, is an old saying describing someone who's speechless, and goes back to the mid-19th century.A caller whose wife is from eastern Kentucky says she uses the term swarpy to describe clothing that's too big, ill-fitting, and may even drag on the ground. This term probably derives from an old Scots verb "swap," meaning to "sweep" or "swing," or otherwise "move downward forcibly."Are we a proverb culture anymore? In a largely urban society, we're not likely to immediately recognize the meaning of the saying between hay and grass, meaning "weak" or "feeble."The longer the description of an item on a menu, the more expensive it'll likely be. In The Language of Food: A Linguist Reads the Menu, Stanford University linguist Dan Jurafsky shows that with each extra letter in a menu description, the price goes up about 69 cents. For a really comprehensive collection of menus, from the earliest Chinese American restaurants to old cruise ship menus, we recommend the New York Public Library's menu database.Spleeny, meaning "hypersensitive" or "hypochondriacal," is chiefly heard in New England and goes back to an old sense of the spleen affecting one's mood.The writer Clay Shirky tipped us off to a morbid bit of slang used in the dying business of print newspapers, where obituaries are referred to as subscriber countdowns.Widdershins, also spelled withershins, means "counterclockwise," and can also refer to someone or something that's off or backwards. Another word for "the opposite of widdershins," by the way, is deasil.Before you insult a man, try walking a mile in his shoes. That way, when you insult him, you're a mile away -- you have his shoes.For a good time, google wake vs. awaken. Perhaps the most vexing verb in English, the term for waking up still puzzles the experts.Ingrid Bergman once said, "a kiss is a lovely trick designed by nature to stop speech when words become superfluous."This episode was hosted by Martha Barnette and Grant Barrett.--A Way with Words is funded by its listeners: http://waywordradio.org/donateGet your language question answered on the air! Call or write with your questions at any time:Email: words@waywordradio.orgPhone: United States and Canada toll-free (877) WAY-WORD/(877) 929-9673London +44 20 7193 2113Mexico City +52 55 8421 9771Donate: http://waywordradio.org/donateSite: http://waywordradio.org/Podcast: http://waywordradio.org/podcast/Forums: http://waywordradio.org/discussion/Newsletter: http://waywordradio.org/newsletter/Twitter: http://twitter.com/wayword/Skype: skype://waywordradio Copyright 2015, Wayword LLC.
Clay Shirky talks about Xiaomi, the subject of his new book, "Little Rice."
Within the great firewall of China, Clay Shirky, associate professor from interactive media & arts department in NYU Shanghai and also TED speaker, joined us to discuss his latest book “Little Rice – Xiaomi, Smartphones & the Chinese Dream”. In this episode, he shared his thoughts about the revolution of different media platforms and its The post Episode 68: Little Rice – Xiaomi, Smartphones & the Chinese Dream with Clay Shirky appeared first on Analyse Asia.
A Way with Words — language, linguistics, and callers from all over
This week on A Way with Words: The language of restaurant menus. Need a dictionary to get through a dinner menu? Research shows the longer the description of a particular dish, the more expensive it will be. Plus: What's the best way to use a thesaurus? DON'T -- unless, that is, you already know the definition of the word in question. From careless plagiarists to a former president, a look at the embarrassing results when people try using a big word they don't quite understand. Plus, the story behind "Hell's Bells," and what your clothes look like if they're "swarpy." Also, wake vs. awaken, this weekend vs. next weekend, rat-finking, balderdash, Hell's bells!, and widdershins.FULL DETAILSWhatever Roget's Thesaurus may have you believe, sinister buttocks is not a synonym for "left behind." But a growing number of students are blindly using the thesaurus, or Rogeting, trying mask plagiarism. And it's not working.Next Thursday could mean this coming Thursday or the Thursday after. And despite the push to make oxt weekend a term for the weekend after next, even grammarians haven't settled on what next refers to, so it's always important to clarify with the person you're talking to.Among Grant's candidates for his 2014 Words of the Year list are the phrases I can't even and Can you not. The origin of the exclamation Balderdash!, meaning "nonsense," isn't entirely known. It is clear, however, that back in the 17th century balderdash could refer to a frothy mix of liquids, such as beer and buttermilk, or brandy and ale, and later to a jumbled mix of words.The Irish writer Roddy Doyle has some good advice about using a thesaurus: "Do keep a thesaurus, but in the shed at the back of the garden or behind the fridge, somewhere that demands travel or effort."Our quiz guy John Chaneski is back with a game of wedding puns. For example, if Ella Fitzgerald married Darth Vader, she'd be, well, a kind of shoe, or something that might convey you to the top floor of a building. Hell's Bells!, an exclamation along the lines of darn!, is likely just variation of hellfire, and reinforced by its rhyme.Back when George W. Bush was a student at a New England prep school, he took to the thesaurus to impress a teacher, and wound up using a synonym for the wrong meaning tear. Hence, the telltale phrase lacerates falling from my eyes wound up in one of his papers. In addition to being the name of a plastic toy from the 60's, the term rat fink was once used specifically to mean a narc or stool pigeon. Today, it's used generally to mean a despicable person. Like the boy when the calf ran over him, I had nothing to say, is an old saying describing someone who's speechless, and goes back to the mid-19th century.A caller whose wife is from eastern Kentucky says she uses the term swarpy to describe clothing that's too big, ill-fitting, and may even drag on the ground. This term probably derives from an old Scots verb "swap," meaning to "sweep" or "swing," or otherwise "move downward forcibly."Are we a proverb culture anymore? In a largely urban society, we're not likely to immediately recognize the meaning of the saying between hay and grass, meaning "weak" or "feeble."The longer the description of an item on a menu, the more expensive it'll likely be. In The Language of Food: A Linguist Reads the Menu, Stanford University linguist Dan Jurafsky shows that with each extra letter in a menu description, the price goes up about 69 cents. For a really comprehensive collection of menus, from the earliest Chinese American restaurants to old cruise ship menus, we recommend the New York Public Library's menu database.Spleeny, meaning "hypersensitive" or "hypochondriacal," is chiefly heard in New England and goes back to an old sense of the spleen affecting one's mood.The writer Clay Shirky tipped us off to a morbid bit of slang used in the dying business of print newspapers, where obituaries are referred to as subscriber countdowns.Widdershins, also spelled withershins, means "counterclockwise," and can also refer to someone or something that's off or backwards. Another word for "the opposite of widdershins," by the way, is deasil.Before you insult a man, try walking a mile in his shoes. That way, when you insult him, you're a mile away -- you have his shoes.For a good time, google wake vs. awaken. Perhaps the most vexing verb in English, the term for waking up still puzzles the experts.Ingrid Bergman once said, "a kiss is a lovely trick designed by nature to stop speech when words become superfluous."This episode was hosted by Martha Barnette and Grant Barrett.....Support for A Way with Words comes from The Ken Blanchard Companies, celebrating 35 years of making a leadership difference with Situational Leadership II, the leadership model designed to boost effectiveness, impact, and employee engagement. More about how Blanchard can help your executives and organizational leaders at kenblanchard.com/leadership.--A Way with Words is funded by its listeners: http://waywordradio.org/donateGet your language question answered on the air! 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Sarah McCarry is the guest. She is the author of several books, and her next novel, About a Girl, is due out from St. Martin's Griffin in the summer of 2015. Bennett Madison says "Sarah McCarry's strange and gorgeous punk fairytales make magic accessible and imbue the everyday with the weight of myth." And Erica Lorraine Scheidt says "Sarah McCarry is the patron saint of girls on the edge." Monologue topics: Derek Jeter, envy, confusion, Clay Shirky, Amazon, Big 5 publishers, not knowing what I think about anything, mail. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Rio 拿到他的 iPhone 6 了，不过这期我们主要讲的是 Clay Shirky（《未来是湿的》、《认知盈余》）为什么禁止自己的学生在课堂上使用笔记本电脑和移动设备、微软收购 Minecraft、Walter Isaacson（《史蒂夫·乔布斯传》）的新书、Apple Pay 和美国的银行卡系统、以及 U2 和苹果打算联手推出的新的音乐格式。 相关链接 Clay Shirky The Setup: Clay Shirky Walter Isaacson: The Innovators Stewart Brand 和 Walter Isaacson 关于《The Innovators》手稿的讨论 《Fortune》杂志刊载的《The Innovators》节选 Emerson, Lake & Palmer Tarkus 犰狳（Armadillo） 人物简介 李如一：字节社创始人。 Rio: Apple4us 程序员。
Rio 拿到他的 iPhone 6 了，不过这期我们主要讲的是 Clay Shirky（《未来是湿的》、《认知盈余》）为什么禁止自己的学生在课堂上使用笔记本电脑和移动设备、微软收购 Minecraft、Walter Isaacson（《史蒂夫·乔布斯传》）的新书、Apple Pay 和美国的银行卡系统、以及 U2 和苹果打算联手推出的新的音乐格式。 相关链接 Clay Shirky The Setup: Clay Shirky Walter Isaacson: The Innovators Stewart Brand 和 Walter Isaacson 关于《The Innovators》手稿的讨论 《Fortune》杂志刊载的《The Innovators》节选 Emerson, Lake & Palmer Tarkus 犰狳（Armadillo） 人物简介 李如一：字节社创始人。 Rio: Apple4us 程序员。
Internet access. Anymore, it’s something many of us take for granted. Like water from the tap, power from the plug, outrageous outbursts from Kanye West. It’s there, it happens – why question it? Sure, there’s a lot of buzz about broadband and net neutrality going on in Washington, and in Geek Caves around the country. But the Net users on Main Street haven’t yet hit a tipping point. The fact is, your average consumer’s web connection isn’t very fast or cheap. But it is just fast and cheap enough that they won’t question, complain, or demand better. What is the ideal web? And how do we get past the consumer complacency to build it? Well, Clay Shirky has some ideas. And we were lucky enough to get an exclusive with him on One Web Day earlier this week. Listen in as he lays out a few visions for the potential of the web. CC-licensed music this week: Coconut Monkeyrocket: “Accidental Beatnik” Podington Bear – Jackie and Floyd
Take a look at the headlines of any major newspaper or news magazine. Check out the non-fiction bestsellers at Amazon. The net is on everyone’s minds. Or more specifically, the way the net is on our minds is on our minds. Nicholas Carr’s The Shallows paints a bleak picture of what the net is doing to our plastic brains, cheapening our relationships, and ruining our attention spans. Clay Shirky’s recent release Cognitive Surplus on the other hand celebrates the web’s power to enable quick, smart, crowdsourced action and creativity. Hundreds of other authors and thinkers have responded with their own variations and theories on what the internet is doing to us, and what we are doing on the net. With all of this thinking on the net, we thought it was time to do some thinking on the thinking on the net. And luckily we have two great thinker thinkers in house. Our very own David Weinberger has suggested jokingly that there should be a Myers-Briggs test for net fanaticism, while memetracker and ROFLCon founder Tim Hwang has grouped net thinkers into schools. Today, they explain how different thinkers think on the net, and importantly, why the heck everyone’s so interested. What kind of net thinker are you? Give us your thoughts in the comments.
Speaker: Christopher Fahey Clay Shirky coined the phrase "cognitive surplus" to describe humanity's untapped mental energy, energy being put to spectacular and beneficial use in collaborate efforts like Wikipedia. User experience designers are rapidly learning how to tap into this surplus through social and psychological insights into human behavior, inviting users to channel their intellectual energies into technologically-mediated interactions that people find emotionally rewarding and deeply compelling. But where is the line between compelling interaction and compulsive behavior? With so much enthusiasm about "gamification", game mechanics, and behavior change, and with millions of people tagging other people's content and checking in every time they move around, designers of interactive systems should be asking themselves: what kinds of compelling and powerful interactive experiences actually enrich our lives... and what experiences simply drain our time and energy while providing nothing of value in return? How can we be sure we are using these psychologically engaging new interaction design patterns to make people's lives better? We'll look at some real-world "anti-patterns" of interaction design, where human behavior is, to put it bluntly, being exploited. But we'll also look at how well-intentioned interactions might inadvertently dehumanize users by failing to address their deeper personal needs. Finally, we'll try to define some guiding principles around how to create engrossing, even addictive products and experiences that nonetheless empower and enrich the people who use them.
And we're back! We kick off season two by following the money in Congress for an Internet-crippling law, look at North Korean brotherly love, find an unfortunately named town in China, learn about trading sex for nuggets, and see what a brother has to do to get a tax break in Kentucky. SHOW NOTES: • SOPAbox: - Former Internet Rights supporter Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) gets most money in Senate from Pro-SOPA lobby: http://maplight.org/us-congress/bill/112-s-968/954311/total-contributions.table?party[D]=D&party[R]=R&party[I]=I&state&custom_from=07%2F01%2F2005&custom_to=06%2F30%2F2011&all_pols=1&uid=3073&interests-support=C2200-C2100-C2000-C2400-C2600-C2300&interests-oppose=C5140&from=07-01-2005&to=06-30-2011&source=pacs-nonpacs&campaign=congressional - Former senator — now MPAA head — Chris Dodd is angry the politicians he bought and paid for didn't follow through: http://boingboing.net/2012/01/21/chris-dodd-to-obama-hollywood.html - Dodd is the target of a petition aiming to investigate him for bribery (which is just good, ol' fashion lobbying, which, of course, is a form of bribery): http://boingboing.net/2012/01/23/petition-investigate-chris-do.html • Town in China gets renamed: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4074605/Dog-S-Village-residents-finally-bag-new-name-news-Nickname-was-adopted-by-cops-and-officials-and-even-placed-on-maps.html • Kim Jong Un poo poo’d by brother: http://www.smh.com.au/world/kim-jongun-doomed-says-his-brother-20120118-1q57r.html • Woman Offers Sex for McNuggets: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/18/sex-for-mcnuggets_n_1212891.html?ref=dumb-criminals • Kentucky education vs religion: http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/01/20/407580/kentucky-gov-cuts-education-funding-while-preserving-tax-breaks-for-biblically-themed-amusement-park/?mobile=ncTED Talk with Clay Shirky:http://www.ted.com/talks/defend_our_freedom_to_share_or_why_sopa_is_a_bad_idea.html
Author, teacher and activist, Clay Shirky, discusses the visionary insights of Marshall McLuhan as well as his own ideas about the effects of new media and social networking on our society. Shirky's latest book Cognitive Surplus explores how new technology is unleashing a wave of creative production that he believes is transforming the world. Following the lecture, Shirky sits down for an interview with broadcaster Jesse Hirsh. The event was part of the McLuhan 100 series at the International Festival of Authors at Harbourfront Centre.
Author, teacher and activist, Clay Shirky, discusses the visionary insights of Marshall McLuhan as well as his own ideas about the effects of new media and social networking on our society. Shirky's latest book Cognitive Surplus explores how new technology is unleashing a wave of creative production that he believes is transforming the world. Following the lecture, Shirky sits down for an interview with broadcaster Jesse Hirsh. The event was part of the McLuhan 100 series at the International Festival of Authors at Harbourfront Centre.
It's Episode 7 and our book is Here Comes Everybody: The Power of Organizing Without Organizations by Clay Shirky. (http://www.pagebreakpodcast.com/podcast/episode-7-here-comes-everybody/)
Welcome to episode #211 of Six Pixels Of Separation - The Twist Image Podcast. This is also episode #33 of Media Hacks. Instead of the usual phone conversation, Hugh McGuire, Julien Smith and I met up for an early morning breakfast at the infamous Bagels Etc... in beautiful Montreal. The conversation floated between mass media versus Social Media to looks at everything from how Old Spice is leveraging the convergence of the two, to why both Clay Shirky and Nicholas Carr have new business books that are well-worth reading (even though they both don't agree with one another). We also attempt to tackle the conversation over content and its value (re: pricing model) in our current society, and many other hacking media topics. As with most episodes of Media Hacks, some of the language is not safe for work (you have been warned). Enjoy the conversation... Here it is: Six Pixels Of Separation - The Twist Image Podcast - Episode #211 - Host: Mitch Joel. Running time: 54:39. Audio comment line - please send in a comment and add your voice to the audio community: +1 206-666-6056. Please send in questions, comments, suggestions - mitch@twistimage.com. Hello from Beautiful Montreal. Subscribe over at iTunes. Please visit and leave comments on the Blog - Six Pixels of Separation. Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: Mitch Joel on Facebook. or you can connect on LinkedIn. ...or on twitter. In a perfect world, connect with me, directly, through Facebook. Six Pixels of Separation the book is now available. Episode #33 of Media Hacks features: Hugh McGuire - LibriVox - Bite-Sized Edits - The Book Oven. Julien Smith - In Over Your Head - Co-author of Trust Agents. Not available: Chris Brogan - New Marketing Labs - Co-author of Trust Agents. C.C. Chapman - Managing The Gray - Digital Dads. Christopher S. Penn - Blue Sky Factory - Marketing Over Coffee. Live from Bagel Etc... in Montreal (one of Leonard Cohen's regular hang-out). We're all in festival fever... make that the world-famous Just For Laughs comedy festival. The advertising landscape have shifted because of Web culture. What is famous? Old Spice, Social Media and the convergence of all media. Old Spice Voicemail Generator. The new advertising takes stories in different directions. Welcome to transmedia. Are we a part of pop culture or nerd culture... or is pop culture now nerd culture? Please excuse us for the eating and chewing sounds... it is what it is. We should all follow a backpack. It's not about mass media... it's about communities of interest. The impact of Clay Shirky's new book, Cognitive Surplus. Some things cross into the mainstream but most stuff does not. Packaging rather than content. The easier to digest the more the mass populous hops on it. The types of people who use Twitter and how it plays out. The brilliance of Twitter lies in its constraints. Nicholas Carr and his new book, The Shallows, and Clay Shirky's Cognitive Surplus. We're starting to see/hear/read the splinters in Internet culture and how it plays out with Social Media. Is Google Making Us Stupid? - The Atlantic. Who else goes to the bathroom to check their iPhones all of the time? Welcome to the age of rapid social anxiety growth. Good calories - Bad calories (while Julien is eating a mish mash). Moving to the asynchronous life of book reading - fully digital. You can do this with the iBook, Kindle and/or Kobo app for your mobile. Also make sure to grab both Readability and InstaPaper. The way we write and read changes. What the Dickens? We need to divide the culture from the business model. Books do not need to so big anymore. The constraint is there to support the business not the content. This is not essential to the culture. Can we homogenize the content? What media gives more depth - a Blog or a business book? What is the best way to do something vs. the best way to make money (or whatever else you're trying to accomplish). We need to break free or experiment more with content. A Blog is more powerful and deep way to explore content than a book is - this will scare publishers. What mass media can learn from The Grateful Dead. Does the mass amount of content devalue the content? Put a pay-wall up for everything: what would you pay for monthly access to Blogs? You Are Not A Gadget by Jaron Lanier. Finland makes broadband Internet access a human right. The supply and demand of information and where the money goes. We all do have the resources to create media and content. There are no restrictions. David Usher - 'Je Repars' (in French with Marie Mai). Please join the conversation by sending in questions, feedback and ways to improve Six Pixels Of Separation. Please let me know what you think or leave an audio comment at: +1 206-666-6056. Download the Podcast here: Six Pixels Of Separation - The Twist Image Podcast - Episode #211 - Host: Mitch Joel. 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Clay Shirky, author of Here Comes Everybody, discusses online collaboration and organization, including social media usage on mobile devices and changes in organizational structure.
The Business: Clay Shirky, Facebook and Lolcats
Nora on Clay Shirky's take on business models for media Cathi on HP's new tablet computer.
Recap of Sunday and Monday at SXSWi with thoughts on sessions by Twitter CEO Evan WIlliams, NYU New Media teacher Clay Shirky, IBM Director of Citizenship and Technology John Tolva, and more.
Speaking at the South by Southwest conference in Austin, Tex., new media scholar Clay Shirky argues that businesses are buckling under the pressure of the digital revolution because of a subtle quirk in human nature. Christie Nicholson reports
I'm using the last show as a starting point for this show, about an idea I want to put out there for helping students learn how to better produce content and how to produce better content. I believe school is the place where this learning can and should take place, but it's success depends on how well it's presented and maintained. You'll have to listen to learn more. At the end I give a brief review of two books, Here Comes Everybody, by Clay Shirky and The Rise of the Creative Class, by Richard Florida. They're not light reading but I think each one has something important to say about how the internet is changing the way we produce media.
508 is a show about Worcester. This week, we talk about Worcester Magazine News Editor Scott Zoback leaving, what it would take to beef up accountability journalism in Worcester (inspired by a Clay Shirky lecture), and legalizing medical marijuana in Massachusetts. [display_podcast] Audio: mp3 link, other formats, feed Video: Downloads and other formats 508 contact … Continue reading "508 #86: More Worcester Journalism"
508 is a show about Worcester. This week, Brendan Melican and I talk with Grace Ross, candidate for District 4 City Councilor. [display_podcast] Audio: mp3 link, other formats, feed Video: Downloads and other formats Also: Mike reads a great letter in Worcester Magazine and begins a Clay-Shirky-inspired rant he doesn’t have time to finish. The … Continue reading "508 #85: Grace Ross"
Steffen og Guan sludrer lidt om avisers rolle i amerikanske byer og hvilken fremtid de har.Links:Huffington Post Investigative Fundvoiceofsandiego.org: Community-baseret medie i San DiegoOn the Media historie om Seattle Post-Intelligencers lukningNew Yorker-artiklen om Carlos Slim og New York TimesClay Shirky’s Newspapers and Thinking The Unthinkable
Understanding the Web and America's youth http://www.rocketboom.com/rb_08_dec_03/ (An Interview with Don Tapscott) net@night 79: Don Tapscott, Grown Up Digital http://twit.tv/natn79 What are the implications of always being connected to the Internet? Governmental schools are the main anchor around the neck of our society The common person seems to follow all the clueless statist intellectuals Coercively-funded "Public schools" cannot teach anything coherent about economics--because they operate outside the free market The ills of Keynesian (governmental) economics versus the goodness of Austrian (free market) economics What government does (perpetrate crimes) is prohibited to individuals outside of government Of course, government by nature has no interest in defending and upholding individual rights Being a "good student" leads to being a "good citizen," in which obedience and compliance are expected Liberation by Internet by Gennady Stolyarov II http://mises.org/story/3060 Surfing the Net via China? http://chinachannel.hk/ More and more access to information will eventually destroy the statist memes Focusing on technological improvements without focusing on getting rid of authoritarian pedagogy is beyond ridiculous http://www.grownupdigital.com/index.php/2008/12/teachers-and-technology-should-work-together/ Teaching is the highest form of manipulation, said one of my college profs The fine pedagogical art of of trimming leaves on a rotten tree...and singing teachers union songs Mimicking free market innovations in the governmental school classroom still retains an antiquated pedagogy and statist memes The entire authoritarian structure of governmental education must be hidden (in plain sight) with propaganda and threats Check out iTunes University for tons of educational stuff! http://www.apple.com/education/mobile-learning/ http://deimos3.apple.com/indigo/main/main.xml Finding ways to approach statist mentalities in a constructive rather than destructive (pugilistic;) fashion Explaining another's point view, so that he/she feels understood The main problem with minarchism is that it leads the statist apparatus (coercive monopoly) in place to abuse the populace Having a negative tone towards government (because those in it act unjustly and immorally) really means having a positive view of individuals (and the respect they deserve) Resourceful, creative, independent, innovative, and moral individuals are threats to government itself; thus governmental schools Basically, because people are not practicing enough self-responsibility, we have government Noble purposes must be ascribed to the unjust and immoral actions of governmental officials, in order to appeal to people's inherent virtues and make things seem not what they are People defend evil in order to prevent their worldview from dissolving Our task is to be objective and state the truth, especially when nearly everyone is defending falsehoods (particularly statist intellectuals) The importance of Wikipedia for fact-checking and information literacy Here Comes Everybody: The Power of Organizing Without Organizations by Clay Shirky http://www.amazon.com/Here-Comes-Everybody-Organizing-Organizations/dp/1594201536 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here_comes_everybody Web 2.0 technologies will eventually rid the world of powerful guilds, so-called experts, and sundry "authorities" Statism is anti-self-esteem and anti-change; complete liberty is pro-self-esteem and pro-change The agricultural revolution, industrial revolution, information revolution were all exploited by government to enslave and destroy individuals We still live in the age of pre-logic, where most people pay little attention to contradictions An attempt at a peaceful world? http://www.itakethevow.com/ Those in government ultimately depend on violence, theft, and deception in order to exist; since people already know this, why do they make excuses for statism? One of Stefan Molyneux's brilliant assessments of the subject: http://www.mediafly.com/Podcasts/Episodes/FDR1233_Free_Will_Determinism_And_Self_Knowledge Governmental schooling is an organization of authoritarian sociopathy the purports to be good for "students" Paul Dressel's smart quote: "A grade can be regarded only as an inadequate report of an inaccurate judgment by a biased and variable judge of the extent to which a student has attained an undefined level of mastery of an unknown proportion of an indefinite amount of material." Facts and Fancy in Assigning Grades. Basic College Quarterly, 2 (1957), 6-12 (referenced here: http://www.logicallearning.net/libertyeducation.html) Grades and tests as essential methods of controlling students Brett's world history lesson in 10 seconds: A long story, continuously repeating itself, looping century after century, about how an extremely small group of people controls an extremely large group of people by fear or by force--and their best weapon is the ignorance of the people Though the Bill of Rights looks good on paper (supposedly restraining despotic government), it harbors a false premise--it legitimizes a coercive institution that violate individual rights on a daily basis To defy property taxes (i.e., extortion) is heroic--it's crucial to stand up for logic, property rights, and especially individual learners Sudbury model (the "free school" model) compared and contrasted with Montessori, Waldorf, and Progressive schools (and "student government"), as well as homeschooling http://www.sudval.org/ A couple useful resources (basically, parentally unstructured homeschooling): http://www.unschooling.org/index.htm and http://www.unschooling.com/ The fastest and best way to help kids become educated, self-esteeming, and mature is to respect their right to make choices as individual learners Interest (intrinsic motivation) is the only criterion for engaging in any activity, and satisfaction the only evaluation of success (Sudbury model, or any enlightened pedagogy) My favorite child psychology book: The Secret of Childhood by Maria Montessori http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&d=8977399 A learner who doesn't know what to learn (no imposed lesson plan), will then learn how to know what to learn! Learning as manifestation of the entrepreneurial spirit Boredom as learning experience; people's discomfort with themselves is yet another product of governmental schools Democratic decision-making denies self-responsibility and objectivity, though it is a good tool for quelling dissent and imposing self-blame (You, it's what's for dinner!) The two aspects of government that really suck--the one that doesn't work for you (even though it's supposed to) and the one that works for those in charge Democracy: The God That Failed: The Economics And Politics Of Monarchy, Democracy, And Natural Order by Hans-Hermann Hoppe http://tinyurl.com/lv7xr Psychologist Carl Rogers' fabulous quotation about the proper educational attitude: "To free curiosity; to permit individuals to go charging off in new directions dictated by their own interests; to unleash the sense of inquiry; to open everything to questioning and exploration; to recognize that everything is in process of change—here is an experience I can never forget." (referenced here: http://www.logicallearning.net/libertyeducation.html) Ultimately, the governmental school is a processing plant: The child goes in; the obedient employee/soldier/taxpayer goes out What's needed: The Practice of Self-Responsibility by Nathaniel Branden http://www.nathanielbranden.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_23&products_id=36 bumper music "Teenagers" by My Chemical Romance http://mychemicalromance.com/ to comment, please go to http://completeliberty.com/magazine/category/91697
The TalkThe Stuff:Clay ShirkyHis book, Here Comes Everybody: The Power of Organizing Without OrganizationsHis presentationiPhone app to copy files from your computer to your iPhone, without needing to connect through iTunesThe Amazon KindleHere Comes Everybody (Kindle edition)iPhoneLeo LaporteHis podcast networkThe MacBreak Weekly podcastThe This Week in Tech podcastJohn DvorakAdam CurryThe No Agenda podcastJoel SpolskyJeff AtwoodStack OverflowThe Stack Overflow podcastreMovemConfessions of an Economic Hitman (audio edition)Angler (audio edition)The Way of the World (audio edition)The Planet Money podcast60 Minutes piece on credit default swapsThis American Life episode describing credit default swapsHardball with Chris Matthews
Clay Shirky, author of Here Comes Everybody: The Power of Organizing Without Organizations, talks about the economics of organizations with EconTalk host Russ Roberts. The conversation centers on Shirky's book. Topics include Coase on the theory of the firm, the power of sharing information on the internet, the economics of altruism, and the creation of Wikipedia.
Clay Shirky, author of Here Comes Everybody: The Power of Organizing Without Organizations, talks about the economics of organizations with EconTalk host Russ Roberts. The conversation centers on Shirky's book. Topics include Coase on the theory of the firm, the power of sharing information on the internet, the economics of altruism, and the creation of Wikipedia.
This week, web democracy guru Clay Shirky talks organizing without organizations. Plus, we will discover the elder-blogging movement (grandma's not nodding off, she's logging on!) and check out the local sustainable food rebellion in New York.
Clay Shirky is the most riveting of speakers at tech conferences, with his deep insight into social software and the culture and economics of networks. His talk for the next Seminar About Long-term Thinking takes on one of the most intractable problems of the information age: how to preserve digital information and tools in usable condition beyond ten years. The continuity of civilization is at stake in this matter.
Ontem estava lendo um artigo brilhante que analisa como as bibliotecas, depois o diretório do Yahoo e finalmente o Google foram se superando na eficácia de recuperação da informação e não pude deixar de comentar. Nas bibliotecas, os livros são classificados de acordo com normas rígidas e obsoletas, mais preocupadas com as implicações físicas do armazenamento do que com os anseios do usuário. No diretório do Yahoo, não havia esse problema, mas ainda assim os classificadores impuseram uma estrutura hierárquica pretensamente "correta". Já o Google dá o exemplo de que o lance não é impor uma classificação, mas sim dar o que o usuário quer segundo seus próprios critérios. Recentemente, ferramentas como Flickr e Delicious popularizaram um novo modelo de classificação chamado de folcsonomia (do original folksonomy). Agora são os usuários que especificam toda a classificação e não precisam obedecer a nenhuma regra. Simplesmente classificar da forma como achar melhor. Clay Shirky chega a conclusão de que essa é a forma que está mais de acordo com os princípios básicos da Web (compartilhar, referenciar, etc). Concordo com ele, porém, assim como Chris McEvoy (que prefere chamar o treco de Usersaurus), tenho visto o fenômeno com certa descrença. Minhas próprias tags são úteis a mim mesmo, mas dificilmente serão para outras pessoas, veja algumas que tirei do meu bookmark: ex_turismo ex_vestuário flash história informação interação internet jogos jornalismo multimídia navegação O prefixo "ex_" das duas primeiras indica que são exemplos de bons sites (especialmente no quesito design de interface), mas como você iria adivinhar se eu não dissesse? Poderia ter colocado "exemplo_turismo", mas isso daria muito trabalho ter que ficar digitando a cada vez. O sistema de tags está fazendo sucesso porque é prático para quem insere e não porque é fácil para quem vai recuperar algo dele. Nesse post em áudio explico melhor (ou não): Classificação ao alcance de todos [MP3] 9 minutos Na realidade, ainda é cedo para concluir algo sobre folcsonomia. Essas são minhas impressões iniciais, que provavelmente serão alteradas conforme a evolução do conceito. Prefiro ser cuidadoso do que sair por aí tageando a tudo e a todos. [ nota ] Logo após escrever esse post, resolvi testar aqui uma aplicação similar à folcsonomia. Ao final dos posts, vocês leitores podem adicionar palavras-chaves, além das que eu já insiro quando publico. A vantagem é que no futuro, poderão encontrar o post mais facilmente. Vejamos no que dá. Comente este post
Discuss this episode in the Muse community Follow @MuseAppHQ on Twitter Show notes 00:00:00 - Speaker 1: One of the things that’s really important, whether you’re talking about product principles or company values, is you have to be able to negate them, cause otherwise you don’t use them to resolve conflict. 00:00:14 - Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Meta Muse. Muse is a software for your iPad that helps you with ideation and problem solving. This podcast isn’t about Muse the product, it’s about Muse the company and the small team behind it. I’m here today with my colleague Mark McGranaghan. Hey Adam, and my former colleague, now friend Max Schoening. Hey, Adam. Max, great to have you here. So, Max has an impressive career in the tech world, both as an indie developer making cloud app years back. The 3 of us worked together at Hiroku and now you’re leading the design team at GitHub. More importantly, for our purposes, you are an early user, you are our very first customer for Muse, and you’re also an advisor, so we get to bombard you with our half-finished ideas once a month, and you can tell them, tell us why they’re bad. 00:00:59 - Speaker 1: Uh, thank you for that very generous introduction, and it’s, it’s quite the privilege to be a part of the Muse creation process, even if it’s on the sidelines. 00:01:07 - Speaker 2: Now I understand you just got back from a camping trip. That sounded pretty fun. 00:01:10 - Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, I did. I spent The last week completely off the grid, my wife and I with the dog went and drove up to the Tahoe National Forest in a 4x4 sprinter van and did nothing but hike and sort of be in nature, which at this moment in time feels or is an immense privilege, right? But it was good to disconnect a little. 00:01:35 - Speaker 2: Now our topic today is principled products. Now this is your idea, Max. So maybe you can explain what this is all about. 00:01:41 - Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it might be interesting to to start at the beginning of how I was introduced to Muse because I think we had talked, we share lots of interest, sort of end user programming, end user computing, and also tools for thought and and making tools for people who make stuff. And so naturally, when you started Muse, you shared it with me and I think my first, I don’t quite remember, so please, please correct me here, Adam, but I think my first reaction was, OK, well, why would I use this? This is not letting me draw the way that I want to draw. 00:02:12 - Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember giving you a quick uh just in person demo. I think you were visiting your mom here in Berlin. You stopped by my place. I said, hey, I’m working on this new thing and just showed you, you know, a pretty early version and you I think you liked, you had a positive reaction to the zooming kind of spatial interface, uh, but then when you went off to try it on your own a little bit, you said, well, yeah, the ink’s kind of ugly and I have a better sketchbook app. using notability at the time and yeah, for purely for sketching, that’s true today as well. Notability is a better choice. 00:02:38 - Speaker 1: I think I narrowed in on the on the ink engine very quickly versus acknowledging the principles that Muse kind of stands for. And I think that’s what triggered this entire thought process in me of to actually consider to make Muse work for you, you have to consider the principles that the creators in this case, the two of you and the rest of the team sort of put into the process. And that’s where I think the train of thought of, OK, what are principled products sort of came from, as I tried to define what a principle what we mean by principled, I kind of came to the to the realization of it’s just a set of rules or laws that guide the behavior of the people who make the thing, but then there is even a secondary layer which I think is much more interesting, which is a set of rules or laws that guide the behavior of the people using the thing. And I think Muse is you framed it, Mark or Adam, I don’t remember, but as a as a tool for thought and a tool for rumination. The moment that you gave me, this is obviously not a very scalable process, but you gave me this onboarding onto the muse philosophy after I initially rejected the app and then it clicked. 00:03:46 - Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that’s great to hear. Now we just need to figure out how to kind of replicate and scale up. That process, I guess, but in the near term happy to to do the one off, uh, one-off on boardings, I guess. Now, I’d be curious to hear from, from both of you, both of you guys, what are other principal products. And I assume that many, many products are driven by mission or they have a purpose or uniting set of values, but I assume that when we, when we say when we really say principal products in the way you just described Max, that’s, that’s not many or even, that’s not. or even maybe many products that are out there. So what are, what are some examples? I don’t know, Mark, do you have any that come to mind? 00:04:20 - Speaker 3: One that comes to mind for me is SQL light. This is a classic database that has this principle of being super reliable and running everywhere. Actually, the homepage is hilarious. It looks like it’s from the 90s and it says SQL light, it does not give problems. It just works. I think importantly, it’s a trade-off that they’re making. For example, it makes it harder and slower and more laborious to develop the product, but that’s a principle that they’re really committed to and that you can expect from them as developers and you can expect as users of the product. 00:04:48 - Speaker 2: And I think we um pointed out and maybe it was the local first article that SQL Light is now listed by the US Library of Congress as an accepted archival format alongside other formats like PDF or PNG being this very Long term hasn’t changed much. The developers are really committed and show that they’re committed through the already, I don’t know what it is, decades of maintenance that they put into it. 00:05:13 - Speaker 1: I think if you think about products that apply principles very thoroughly, you kind of have to distinguish between the products that are just very thorough at applying the principles that the team sort of believes in. And I think one example is the original iPhone, like it’s very clear. When you use the original iPhone, you kind of feel almost what the team behind uh the iPhone stood for, like what they believed in and what they wouldn’t sacrifice, and like what their principal stack is. And that creates a very distilled experience and it’s also a great sort of um tool for wrangling complexity. Like if you smash the iPhone home button enough times, you will return to safety and then like that’s just it’s it’s a very, very cool design. But uh I’m actually more interested in products that or I, I think we have that covered, like you touched on, on this in, in your, uh, I’ll plug your own show, but uh you touched on it in the, in the manual um episode for the Muse podcast where iOS development mobile development in general has created this structure of, OK, let’s just make the products as simple as possible. Let’s just make them as intuitive as possible, they shouldn’t even require a manual. Why are you shipping a manual with the product like the iPhone comes with 3 pages. And I think adhering to principles is necessary to deliver those kind of experiences for, you know, very approachable, very simple products, but it’s also necessary if you want to deliver products with any kind of like, I think you said any kind of depth. And so I’m more interested in principles or products where they’re almost actively confusing or like they seem like they’re poorly designed on the surface, unless you read the manual, unless you read the philosophy of the creators. And so I think they’re an example is clearlyIM, right? If you, if you use them for the first time, you’re like, how does this even make sense if you’ve never heard of the principles, right? If you want to use the mouse to use them, you’re going to have a really hard time. And in comparison, sort of to pick in the same domain, Microsoft Word is very much a product that tries to adapt to users' needs and offers flexibility, but in a sense of go use it however you want it, it’ll do that for you. And Vim says, no, no, it’s very composable, but you’re going to have to buy into our methodology and I think the latter is sort of really interesting. Muse fits into that category. I would say that. Uh, we all have a shared background here with with Hiroku, and the twelvefactor app. I think that falls into the same category as in if you’re going to consistently want to write to the file system on Hioku with these ephemeral dinos, you’re gonna, it’s not possible, right? And so if you don’t change your mind, you will have a miserable experience using this product. And so I’m, I’m wondering if there’s other products that come to mind for the two of you that sort of very much like if you don’t buy into it, it just feels like the people didn’t know what they were doing designing the product versus if you read the manual, something clicks and then you’re like, I get it now. 00:08:13 - Speaker 3: I think Git might be in this category for me. So Git, if you approach it and you just look at the porcelain, that is the commands that you do to you use to do common stuff, it’s. Really confusing. So if I want to send you a change to my code, it’s like, check out a branch and then stage your commit and then push it to a remote over at like what? But if you take a step back and see that Git is a system for tracking content, immutable content over time, everything makes perfect sense in light of that. And so you have to have that underlying knowledge and model of it’s this tag of code without it, it’s just very confusing. 00:08:43 - Speaker 2: Talking about the uh the Hiroku example, of course, there’s sort of what, what came first, the principles or the product. You know, I think it’s, it is a chicken and egg thing they developed together and notably their 12 factor app, we wrote well into the existence of the product. It had existed for 4 plus years. And so we, we sort of discovered these patterns and these things that made application. Development easier, particularly in the context of continuous deployment and agile development and all that sort of stuff. Eventually, we wrote them into this manifesto to make it easier to comprehend the product, but the product already existed and already had these principles that we had over time. So I wonder for other uh products maybe that some of us have worked on. I know, Max, you talked about GitHub actions, you know, that was when you, you drove um early in your year run of GitHub and and you mentioned that that kind of was also driven by the same set of core principles, uh, like that kind of these building blocks. But did that start in that example, or other, others you’ve worked on, did you start With a list of products that are enumerated and written down that the team can understand and build against, or do you only realize the products afterwards that they sort of emerge from the crafting of the product itself? 00:09:57 - Speaker 1: I think in the, in the case of GitHub Actions, it’s worth pointing out that GitHub was a 12 or definitely a decade old company, I think 12 years and so it already had Ingrained principles in what it believed in. So I think in that case, you have the luxury of sort of building on top of them. What we did with GitHub Actions is is actually at the root of what GitHub believes in, right? Like GitHub is about multiplayer software development. It’s about saying, OK, how can I reuse and remake the work of others? How can I stand on the shoulders of giants, basically, that’s sort of the whole ethos of open source as well. And so when we looked at Git have actions and workflows for software automation, CI, CD, and so on, we realized that for the most part, that principle is largely lacking, right? Like nobody is actually saying, instead of having one monolithic pipeline that you know, the team that’s building the app built from scratch with some bash scripts, there are very few reusable components. And so from day one, we decided, OK, that’s this has to be part of the uh ethos or the principles that we have. Applied it to design this. But then I think, uh, only it, it really only turns into a true principle once you’ve proven it almost in the market, or when you’re like, OK, this is just not just a hypothesis. This is truly a guiding principle where if we continue to double down on this, then good things will happen. Otherwise, you kind of have to reevaluate it and say, well, are we wrong about this? And so I think the conviction and the principle grew stronger as we went along, but it didn’t start from day one. 00:11:26 - Speaker 2: Yeah, the idea that principles are something that don’t just come out of the ivory tower, the stone tablets from on high or whatever metaphor you want to use, but are something an idea you have a hunch you have, but then they need to be validated, just like any other part of building a thing. Uh, that, that really resonates strongly with me right now because that’s a lot of the process we have been going through with Muse. For example, the modelessness was a pretty core principle early on that if if you want to make this fast tool and you have all the screen space given over to, um, you know, no chrome, all your screen space is given over to your content that you want to move really fast, like a powerful. On the desktop, then that implies that you, uh, shouldn’t have a bunch of toolbars and stuff, but in fact, you should have these gestures and things and early versions of the product had that say a version of that principle, but often the implementation of it, which involved holding stylus in undiscoverable ways and and other things like that, uh we we found just didn’t validate with users. We couldn’t, people didn’t get it. It didn’t strike a chord, and then we we had to adapt that over time. And I guess that core principle of modelessness or the core principle of try to leave all the screen space for the users' content, uh, we did ultimately, as you say, build conviction in that over time, but the implementation of how we actually achieved that changed a lot. 00:12:47 - Speaker 3: And now I’m realizing that a lot of the most interesting principled products, the principles aren’t these opinions that come from nowhere, they’re actually understandings about reality that you’ve kind of uniquely grasped. So in the case of GitHub is this idea that basically all software is developed by multiple people, yet our tools initially were very single node based and it had a sort of similar story, um, likewise with, with Git is this idea that code is a, is a. Of content that changes over time and everything kind of follows from that. Um, so as I think about these principles that we have in Muse, they often come back to these fundamental understandings about the human body, the human mind, how, how the creative process actually works and a lot of stuff flows from that. 00:13:24 - Speaker 1: Probably also not a coincidence that you already have fairly strongly formed principles with uh I don’t know how long you, you sort of think of Muse as existing. But the work that you did at Ik and Switch was this cultivation of these principles and the things that you believe in and like that was a very largely like research driven and I think now with Muse you’re sort of putting those to the test, but that still means that they’re much stronger than, I don’t know if you, if you look at obviously the next door neighbor to principles is something like company values. One of the things that’s really frustrating when looking at company values. is you could actually kind of just take all the startups in Silicon Valley and overlay their company values and I think there would be so much overlap that they lack sort of they’re almost meaningless, right? Like everybody says, hey, customers first or empathy with the customer or build and delight. One of the things that’s really important, whether you’re talking about product principles or company values is you have to be able to negate them because otherwise you don’t use them to resolve conflict. 00:14:23 - Speaker 3: Another way to look at that is principles should be of the form, given to plausibly good choices. This principle says we choose A instead of B, where B would also have been a potentially reasonable choice, but it’s not a principle to do so. 00:14:35 - Speaker 1: Uh, the, I don’t know if you remember when when Trello Trello launched this feature called Card aging a while back, and you could even like switch it to a pirate uh sort of uh scrolls. And the idea behind it is that if you didn’t update a card on your Trello board for a period of time, it would sort of fade into the background. And I actually believe that the principles for your products should have a similar aging mechanism, which is, uh, let’s just assume that you have an internal tool that lists out all your company principles and values or or product values. If people don’t reference the uniquely attributable like URLs for each of these things often enough, they just start fading into the background and then only the most in the the ones that actually truly help you make decisions, right? Like you said, picking between two very plausible solutions. Pick A instead of B because of this principle, that’s how they stay alive, right? Like they have to have a shelf life by default. 00:15:32 - Speaker 2: How important is it do you think, to write what I’ll call an explainer? So the 12 factor was an explainer for a lot of the Hiroku philosophies. There’s something like the Zen of Palm is a great design document, developer guide for the original Palm pilot that enumerates a lot of their principles. But many of these other cases we’ve listed maybe don’t necessarily have that written down or at least not in a public form, and you can glean it a little bit from their marketing material on their website or from following them on Twitter or just from using the product. Is that important or is it more of a nice to have? 00:16:04 - Speaker 1: It depends on the product, so. For example, I don’t think that the iPhone design principles are sort of coherently written down somewhere, at least not in the way that the 1st 20 people who were part in shaping this extraordinary product, but it shines through the product, right? So that’s it’s a, it’s a place where you, you know that there is an amount of finite amount of principles that this team has applied. And it’s sort of distilled and crystallized into the product that is the iPhone. For the products that are actively confusing if you don’t understand the principles though, which is usually I think it’s products with a lot more depth and complexity, you kind of have to write it down because otherwise you never get to the adoption, right? Like you never get to the the sort of enough critical mass to say I have figured out how to translate the principle. Goals and values that the team making the product believes in, so that it can be absorbed by thousands, hundreds of thousands of people in a very sort of scalable way, right? Like that’s presumably, I would assume that’s why you’re investing so much energy into the manual and the documentation and the videos that you’re recording for for Muse is because you want to take the ideas that you’ve spent years now developing. And crystallizing them in a way that now people can just onboard and benefit from that. It’s, it’s not unlike a syllabus for any given subject in a college or or when you’re studying. Of, OK, I’ve learned this thing and now I’m compressing the timeline so that you can learn it twice as fast. 00:17:29 - Speaker 3: This reminds me of the comic book that they wrote to introduce Google Chrome. Oh yeah, and this was, uh, is in the classic comic format and it was explained that it was this new browser that was meant to be fast and secure and it was motivating that. And I think that’s also an example of how these explainers, they don’t need to reach out to all of the potential users. It could be just that you’re empowering the. users, the evangelists, the early adopters versus trying to make a manual that everyone’s going to read because as we all know, that’s quite an uphill battle. 00:17:57 - Speaker 2: Notably on the Google Chrome comic, I happened to be on the artist’s website that made that recently, they specified that it was originally intended only for journalists. They were going to give it out as kind of a cool press release thing, and they only made printed copies to give out to them in this format, like you had to come to the press briefing or something like that. And then for whatever reason, this uh got so much attention, they ended up eventually taking the digital and spreading it more widely, but it was precisely that purpose was to create. Excitement and enthusiasm among tech journalists who are going to go spread the word and help them understand it well enough that they could write about it in their own voice. And maybe some amount of shared vocabulary giving some naming to, I don’t know, maybe the sandboxing on the tabs and trying to, you know, something that was very deep technical topic, but surfacing why they this deep technical work, what the user facing benefits were and how you could talk about that and how you could see that that was I think the the thing that comes to mind, especially right now when we’re thinking about this is sort of you said evangelists and the super users. 00:18:52 - Speaker 1: And you can have the cynical view of saying, oh, the influencers, right, like Instagram influencers who are sort of just, you know, so into your product, they’re gonna and eventually they, it becomes part of their identity, but I think there is actually some truth to uh all of the products that we are listing today um tend to create super fans very quickly. And they tend to create it in a way where the super fans themselves understand a significant majority of the principles, and then they go out into the world and they share those principles because they have adopted them and they’ve changed their perspective, their view of the world. I think that is actually a really important part of these principles which goes back to writing them down or preserving them somehow is really important. If we listed out more of them, this is probably going to be a constant of there are always people who believe almost um irrationally in these principles and carry them forward. One great example would be the entire GTD. 00:19:59 - Speaker 2: A market GTD is David Allen’s getting things done. Yeah. 00:20:03 - Speaker 1: Yes, with GTD it originally shipped as a product in the sense of it was a book and you can consider that a manual. And then the product was just so trivial because it was a bunch of manila folders and index cards. 00:20:14 - Speaker 2: He he advocated you carry index cards around in your pocket to write down ideas that you had throughout the day. 00:20:20 - Speaker 1: And by now I think. Index cards are, well, some people still really love index cards and they’re still a good medium. But if you look at most of the GTD conversations, they have evolved from that product, the principles still stand for people. And then now if you use those GTD design products and think like things, um, omnifocus, if you don’t know what GTD stands for, at some point those, those topics or the the the The concepts that they’ve introduced in the application seem kind of awkward. It’s like, why am I doing this? Why am I not just making a list of to do’s that is very straightforward? Why are you telling me to annotate this with projects and contexts and all this stuff that GTD goes into? And so if you’re not familiar with it, then it seems like awkward product design choices or unenetrable sort of product design choices. But once you actually use them, and if The system works for you. If you, if you share the same principles, it’s almost like it’s giving you superpowers. 00:21:15 - Speaker 2: Here you’re talking about subscribing to a particular methodology about how you organize your information life in order to find value in one of these to do this task keeper type products. But I guess we’re saying on one hand, we think it’s a good thing that you adopt cloud native or a particular perspective to use something like get them or the iPhone or Omnifocus. But on the other hand, there’s the rigid, I think we all really like composable, make it your own products have a lot of flexibility, small sharp tools can be combined in different ways and adapted to different uses and scenarios and different people’s needs. So it’s. interesting to think about that tension or I’d be curious to hear how you both think about the tension of on one hand, opinionated, principled, if you use it and if you subscribe to a particular methodology or particular way of approaching your work or um then this product will be a good fit for you and otherwise awkward. But then there’s also, I definitely used, I don’t know, like project management tools to prescribe a very specific process. And if you do that exact process, it’s great, but if you don’t, it’s, yeah, really uncomfortable and I end up not using those because of their rigidity. Yeah, how’s that resolved? 00:22:25 - Speaker 3: I come back to this idea that the principles need to be true. So you can have very specific ideas about how a product should work and how the workflow should be, but that doesn’t reflect the reality of what I’m trying to do, of course, I’m not gonna like it. And on the flip side, if you’re suggesting a structure that exactly reflects, you know, how the world works, then great, everything fits into place. 00:22:43 - Speaker 1: There was this episode on the exponent podcast. Uh, from Mr. Ben Thompson, where they talk about principle stacks, and in particular they point out that yes, you can make a list of principles that you believe in, but they have to kind of come in a certain order, because at some 0.2 principles will kind of be at odds with one another, no matter what, right? Like and In order to resolve the conflict between the two, you’re going to have to pick one that you believe in more strongly than the other. And I think with designing products that you have that same dynamic, and I believe that the establishing the order of principles is a little bit like sediment. Over time, the ones that you’ve applied more frequently in designing products sort of go to the bottom and end up being the really solid foundation versus the ones that You are still experimenting with, they’re still floating at the top and like you’re not fully committed and you’re like, OK, let’s try this a couple more times. And then once you get to more conviction, then they sort of get compressed further down and you start believing them in in the more. And you mentioned an interesting one because you said, OK, do you want to be opinionated, opinionated products, like a lot of times, you know, we say good design is opinion. At the same time, the three of us are very much frustrated with the inflexibility of modern software and the fact that it’s not composable, and we believe in the Unix philosophy of saying you have tools that work really well together, but they’re special purpose. So we also want like we want opinionated but flexible, or maybe flexible is the wrong word, opinionated but composable, and we have two principles that in theory will come in conflict with one another as you’re developing something. And I think there this, this is where the principal stack comes in it’s OK, which one is more important. 00:24:24 - Speaker 3: And one potential resolution of that in the case of Unix is the underlying principle is everything is a text stream. So insofar as you do that, you can have these different tools that might have different opinions, but they can be composed and recombined in text editing. Now, the other thing I would say there is everything is a text stream is like only sort of right. There are things that are obviously not text, and that’s where Unix starts to break down and that’s an example of how the principles are only as good as they are a reflection of reality. 00:24:47 - Speaker 2: Maybe that’s notable because reality is something that changes as technology and society evolve. So Unix was absolutely the core of all of my computing workflows for a pretty long time, that included not just server and development work, but Things like recording a note or a personal to do. I had command line tools for all that stuff. And then as the phone became a bigger and bigger part of my computing life, and the command line interface just doesn’t Uh, have the same utility there, and then increasingly that approach that Unix put to such good work and it’s still amazing for, you know, servers and but when it comes to my daily computing, it basically is much less central and that’s because my reality has changed. I think most of the products we’ve talked about so far Unix, Hiroku, GitHub Actions, Palm Pilot, the iPhone with its single purpose, or multi-purpose home button. These all feel like the the principles we’re talking about are things that are say how the product works. But I wonder, do we, another kind of list of examples I made when I was thinking about this is products that are more, maybe it’s more tied to the mission or the kind of world that they want to see exist. So there, for example, Overcast comes to mind player that I use, and a lot of the principles come more through listening to Marco Armand, who’s the kind of solo indie developer and he blogs and has his own podcasts and stuff, but he’s always talking about a free and open podcast publishing world where instead of having the massive aggregation like you have with other platforms like YouTube and Video, for example, that podcasts are these RSS feeds that anyone can publish and there’s no central arbitrator and so on, and that obviously ties. Very well to his business interests, but it’s, they, they go hand in hand, maybe he’s making the podcast player that fits with the world that has free and open podcast publishing based on the RSS standard. If that world exists, his product does well. And I also think of like all these increasing number of privacy oriented tools like the Brave web browser, which Mark got me used a little while back on my desktop or messaging apps like Signal and Telegram, or we use uh Fathom Analytics on the Muse website which is privacy oriented. Kind of alternative to Google Analytics? Or do we count uh those kinds of things in this principled product category or is that more, more like a mission? 00:27:13 - Speaker 1: I think they you have to count them as part of these principles because it’s all the users of those products are making trade-offs because they believe in the mission, right? Like, so for example, in the, in the case of Overcast, you are Explicitly saying I believe in the open podcast environment enough that I’m willing to maybe sacrifice some features that other podcast players like Spotify and so on can build because of the aggregation, like commenting systems, rating and so on. Sure, you could kind of build those in a distributed fashion as well, but it just tends to not happen. So As a user, I happen to use Overcast as well because I believe in this. I am making the trade-off of saying it is more important to me that we preserve the openness of the ecosystem than getting some other feature like bells and whistles. Imagine if you, if you used signal, signal is probably in many ways harder to get people to adopt it than Facebook Messenger because Facebook Messenger is ubiquitous, right? And so, uh, you, without the security implications or without the privacy implications of Signal, if you don’t know about them, why would you make that choice? 00:28:22 - Speaker 2: I can see something similar for a lot of these open orientation communities, Linux, I was a pretty heavy Linux on the desktop user for a number of years. Uh, there’s things around, people who build their own PCs or maker, uh, maker communities, things like 3D printing and and so on, and in many cases they are accepting worse user experiences. I don’t know, Linux famously trying to get your laptop to wake from sleep reliably or connect to the Wi Fi. As just always this struggle, but if you really believe in the openness, and you don’t like the walled garden and you want the freedom and flexibility and the hackability, that’s a, that’s a very, that is a tradeoff you’re willing to make. 00:29:00 - Speaker 1: The joke always next year is Linux on the desktop here and for sure are the products like Linux less approachable by default for for people maybe than like iOS or Android or whatever. And so people who like, again, they make trade-offs and say, OK, my Wi Fi will not work reliably or my trackpad will not work as reliably as I would like it to, but at the same time, I’m getting this other benefit. And then we get into these, it’s almost very publicly, I guess you used to call them flame wars, but like there’s these public debates that are just deeply rooted in principles and I like to me, I think the actual thing that matters is that you, if you zoom out, there is a application of different principles of makers around in the world that are creating things so that you can find the tool that you believe fits your principal stack as close as possible. And of course there’s you can divide any distance, you know, enough times and eventually something will not fit with your principle, but broad enough, you’re like, OK, I believe in 90% of this, right? And I think that’s where the the the one underlying principle I think that we’re arguing for here implicitly is if we believe that software needs to be principled and needs to show the principles on the front like sort of like talk about them almost in a virtuous way, then we need enough variety in software so that uh people can sort of find the principal stack that they buy into, versus if you only have one choice, then you’re then you’re kind of either as a as a maker, as a creator, you are forced to build a thing that is just uh khaki pants, like it’s just that like nobody’s going to get angry about anything, any choices that you’ve made. And I think that just makes an inferior solution and experience for each person individually. And so I think variety is one of the guiding principles here. I think that you need to apply and that’s why sort of encouraging people to make things and to be creative is almost the base principle that sort of underlies everything. If you don’t have that, then the entire notion of principled products just doesn’t work. 00:31:07 - Speaker 2: Let 1000 flowers bloom. And people can find their, find their tribe or find what they gravitate to find what reflects what they stand for, including how the product works today, but probably also how you want the world to be. So in the, in the overcast example, you’re using that partially because you want free and open podcasts when you use use Telegram, you’re using that because you want messaging between individuals to be fully private, not snoop by government entities or anyone else. I think. There’s very much a similar thing with Muse, and certainly the people I think that are buying the product in these early days when we’re still in the process of building up the features, part of what they’re saying with with those dollars is, I want things like this to exist. I want computing to be more like this. And when when Mark and I came into it, for example, one of Mark’s say access to grind is just software being too slow all the time. Waiting on them, spinners, things to open and we just really are incredibly tight about that on the team. We, we want everything to be instantaneous all the time, and a huge amount of engineering effort and and design effort to a lesser degree goes into making that happen, but that’s just, we believe that’s possible with computers, the incredible computing hardware that we have at our disposal today, and we feel sad that we spent so much humans spend so much time waiting on computers. Even today, and so that’s something we’re really willing to stand up for and fight for and invest in, and people who choose Muse, particularly if they choose to support it financially, are saying, I want software to be more like this, not just this thing, but I want software like this to exist in the world. 00:32:44 - Speaker 1: In the context of Muse, it might be a good idea to also explicitly point out that in applying the principles that you all stand for the kind of software that you want to make and even further the kind of business that you’re building. You’re explicitly saying we are cutting out a huge user base because we are not going for the top of the funnel like most amount of people on board it and then let’s make sure that everybody draws at least once. You’re basically saying this is a professional tool, we’re charging money for it. And we want this to only be a tool that people who actually derive the exact amount of value out of it as you charge for it, right? Like, obviously this is an incrementally correct approach to finding out what that dollar value is. Um, and I think you believe that software should really drive the creativity of that. I shouldn’t put words in your mouth, but like from the conversations we’ve had, the creativity of the individual, right? So you’re making trade-offs and saying other things will happen either at a later point, but for now we’re doing paid software for professional people who want to do deep work, and that sort of cuts out like most of the pie and to some degree, but at least the the thing that Uh is is left like the people who are now diehard fans and you can sort of call me uh part of that, they are also more likely to make up for that by infusing more energy into the music equation, right? Like either by sharing it or by just spending more money on software than they would before. Kind of brings us back to the the question you asked earlier of writing things down. Like, is it important to write these product principles down? If you don’t write the product principles down for Muse, for example, you will just have sort of the, you’ll have the app in the app store and you’ll have the price point of the app, and then people will just bring their own assumptions to the experience of the product and layer them on incredibly quickly, right? Like they will judge the book by its cover. Then discarded almost immediately. So then you have to go and by articulating your thought process over the years of why these things are important to you to actually capture those people, you have to write it down or you have to sort of distill it. And I think that is something that by definition of how you started the company and how you’re working, you kind of have to do. And I wonder if there is actually like Hiroku had like it felt very similar. It’s unless you explain it. It just seems completely irrational. It doesn’t make any sense, and the people who are working there are all just bananas, right? Like the, so I think writing things down, if you find yourself not having to write it down, maybe you’re not exerting enough of the principles that you actually think you stand for. 00:35:22 - Speaker 2: Yeah, and that’s definitely an active project in many ways. I mean, we have done some of that work in the research lab and the Muse design article, which now is pretty dated because that’s describing a prototype long before we even had a commercial product. But we did try to articulate and I think did successfully articulate some of these things around 120 frames per second, or else, you know, you use both hands in the stylus, all that kind of stuff. And that’s continued to be a guiding principle for us as we, as we build the product and also as, as people come in to try it and they’ve seen maybe they’ve read that article and they have those ideas in their head and so they’re more primed to get over that hump of understanding how this thing works. Um, but then in the meantime, I think we’ve developed and honed. That quite a lot. And yeah, could, could really stand further writing down, although Similar to, I guess the experience I had at um at Hiroki with 12 factor and we had a similar thing with I can switch, in fact, where we really didn’t do the writing until the very end, we had been doing these research projects for 3+ years and many folks, including within the team and externally wanted, you know, basically said like we really got to write this down, and we would go to try to do it and would basically get stuck. We couldn’t. Do it. We didn’t have the words and you know, if you’re in a group of people and you’re talking about it and you’re waving your hands and you’re scribbling on a whiteboard and there’s a lot of words flying around, but boiling that down into a synced legible thing that an external person can just click through on and read and get a powerful, you know, have it effectively convey what, what in fact are the principles here. That’s something that’s hard to do. Upfront, in fact, it’s, it’s in all of these cases, I’ve always done it retroactively. And so I’m gonna try to see here if on Muse we can do it more in the, in the middle of it or while we’re still, you know, still in the very active early days of development, but my um work on that so far, and plus, trust me, I have a lot of half-finished drafts, uh, is, you know, it’s hard, it’s really hard because there are not words for it yet. 00:37:28 - Speaker 1: That’s actually a question that I was gonna ask the the two of you. As you’re developing the principles, there’s always more to do when you’re building a product than you have time for. Everything you choose to do by definition means you’re not doing something else, and it’s a very real trade-off. And if you think about startups and how do you make the argument that it is OK to slow down the process of product and feature development a little bit to capture all the deep thoughts that are happening as you’re building it so that you can hone those principles versus uh Following the lure of just, you know, ship very quickly just go through and like build stuff, um, versus deeply considering it and like, are you making that trade off? 00:38:07 - Speaker 3: Well, I think that’s really important as we were saying before, it leads into your marketing effort. Now you need this communication for people to be able to understand what your principles are and therefore to adopt your product. So we’ve set up maybe 40-60% time, 40% on marketing and communicating these principles and what we’re trying to do and how to use the product and 60% time developing. It feels like a pretty good balance. I think if you just build something and no one can understand it and therefore no one adopts it, that’s not particularly helpful. 00:38:34 - Speaker 1: It’s it’s really interesting to me to actually frame this work, not just as a place so that you build better products, but it’s also a thing that when done right, attracts more people. And so it’s a very real marketing. 00:38:46 - Speaker 3: I go back to this thing about reality and truth. What we’re trying to do is rely align reality, our product and what people understand. And if any of those three things aren’t matched up, you’re going to have a bad time and so you have to do both product development and marketing to get them all together. 00:39:01 - Speaker 1: So this sort of goes towards an area that I think we can all say we’ve struggled quite a bit with um uh marketing at some point of scale, like when you, you know, you’re the 1st 5 to 10 people, you’re a small company, you’re effectively the marketing team, right? There’s no one who has a title that says I own marketing and I’m doing marketing. But at some point, once you get to, you know, 50 people, I don’t remember exactly at what point in time at Hiroka we started sort of cultivating a marketing team, but what happens is the people making the product, and the people thinking deeply about the product and the people who are theoretically supposed to bridge the gap of saying, hey, these are the philosophies and this is like we’re sort of creating the bridge between reality and like the product as you mentioned. Um, are no longer the ones making it, right, like they’re further apart. And so now you have to figure out how to bridge that gap, and I personally have at least 4. Deep, sort of deeply technical products, never been able to figure out how to do that, uh, versus obviously for consumer products, it’s slightly easier for more or or even products that that are sort of more readily understandable by any sort of uh knowledge worker versus then, OK, how do I truly explain the virtues and the trade-offs of a particular database, for example, you brought up databases earlier, if I don’t actually build it and And, and that’s a really interesting challenge in scaling principle product principles is is is something that I think is is is really difficult. 00:40:37 - Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. I actually think that the problem of marketing early growth stage developer software products is like an unsolved problem in Silicon Valley. Everyone I’ve seen tries and really struggles. I think eventually companies figure out something, but there’s there’s no playbook in the way that there is for product development and customer support and finance, for example. The closest thing I have to an answer here is I think the head of the company and the leadership generally needs to respect the problem and respect the problem domain and invest a lot of energy in marketing, which I do think we’re seeing with with MS because Adam is uh taking a lead there. 00:41:12 - Speaker 2: Definitely a skill development opportunity for me as someone who’s always been very product focused, um, but yeah, it’s been definitely expanding my My horizons. Now, maybe we’re almost on a different topic here, but it’s an interesting one. So I want to pull the thread. Max, you and I were talking a bit about, um, yeah, marketing, uh, and, and to Mark, Mark’s point about there’s no playbook, you were actually saying that what it takes to do authentic marketing for an early product is to not follow a playbook, that in fact, uh, you were giving the cloud app example and so that was just you and one other person, right? 00:41:48 - Speaker 1: Depending on when we did this, I think we were 3 people. And we started out with something that I would very much frown upon right now, which is early on when when Cloud A started to join the public beta, you actually had to tweet about it. And at that time, no one had ever done it. So it was novel and people were kind of excited and that sort of, you know, spread incredibly quickly. But then the more you do, and I really don’t want to take credit for maybe I hadn’t seen it before, but I’m I’m sure someone else in the world figured out how to use that uh sort of spread as well. The more you do that, the more it just becomes noise, right? Like it’s the same as like the first couple of emails were never spam. But at some point, once you want to stretch that system, eventually like it gets indistinguishable whether there’s, hey, I’m reaching out if in case you need someone, email becomes spam versus not, depending on how often they they follow up. And I think with marketing and how you market, how you choose to market is actually very close to how you choose to build products. The best marketing is always the one that is most authentic. How do you know whether uh marketing is authentic? It’s when the person who actually explains it. is truly a believer in the principles that the folks who are building the product are building and like when you feel that sort of viscerally that that’s what they stand for and like almost to a fault. The further you go away from that, the less effective the marketing becomes. And that this happens both very small scale. So if you look at something that is somewhat of a contentious uh domain in general, but online advertising. If you go back and look at the deck network, I think it was and and how daring Fireball and so on used to do ads, they had these little tiny squares of products that almost all of them kind of believed in, like they would never advertise for something. And so that was like sort of the almost Original influencer marketing, all the way to tricks that people exploit now by saying, look, we used to have display out ads on the right hand side or on the left hand side of Facebook, and instead we figured out, no, by putting them into the feed and making them look like content. We’re kind of tricking you into thinking that this is also reputable. And so you can obviously take it to the extreme at scale, but the principle remains the same of saying you want to make sure that the marketing feels as honest as possible. And honestly, the only morally in my opinion, right way to do it is if it is as honest as possible, right? Like if you’re not trying to trick anyone. And so I’ve seen great uh applications of this for uh in teams of of your size, and even sort of small to medium companies, but it gets much larger when you’re trying to market at scale, right? Like, at some point, someone is going to just try and tweak the world. it’s just enough so that someone else gets tricked and clicking the and clicking the link. 00:44:34 - Speaker 2: I also think of marketing as being not just the outbound communication, let us talk to you in this podcast or send you an email newsletter or tweet something, but also the receiving information from the market that it’s it’s a conversation. Um, and in some cases, that’s a very much a literal conversation. I think I’ve done for all of us on the team, but probably me. Um, most of all have done, certainly I’ve done dozens of video chats and in-person user interviews early on, and then, uh, nowadays tend to do stuff over email. I get into email back and forth, you know, if you reply to our email newsletter, it goes straight to me. If you email the hello at newapp.com, I think that’s going to mark right now if I’m not mistaken, and we try to respond to every single person. I often get into some pretty long email back and forth and really nice ones, um. And that’s kind of coming back to that point of testing these principles against reality or validating them. Uh, you’re often someone says, why does it work like that? That’s weird. And then you kind of come back with a, you know, an answer, well, we kind of did it this way because of X, but tell me, tell me about how you use it or show me, you know, show me a screenshot if you’re comfortable with that, and then they, they can kind of explain that and we can explore it. And it’s that process that’s often for some of our principles really cause us to double down. On that and essentially feel like we validated it and sharpened it based on these many, many conversations and others that maybe we softened on or feel like didn’t hold up as much and we, we dialed back on a little bit and it it is really these um these conversations with the market, but they’re individual people, but people that for some reason are drawn to either thinking they want a tool like this or the values resonate with them. Um, and then that convergence over time against what we’re trying to do and what it is that people that we think are in our demographics seem to need or want or get excited by. 00:46:28 - Speaker 1: I think with this worldview, you can kind of describe marketing just as a function of generating principle overlap, whether You are the customer that you’re trying to talk to is further away from those principles and so you exert, like in your example with emails, you exert more energy to like personalize the email and then actually like try and have an open conversation. Maybe your mind changes, maybe the customer’s mind change, but essentially what you’re generating is more overlap in the principles of the worldview that you have. And so as long as to Mark’s point earlier, as long as the principles are in to the largest degree possible, true, then uh you are generating, uh I think uh um value because you’re basically saying, now one more person sees the world the way that I see the world and as long as that is a good thing, then marketing. is essentially not the way that we now sort of view it as the, it’s almost like advertising and so on is all about tricking people into something or like sort of exploiting weaknesses instead of saying, turn it around, if you have really strong principles that you believe in, then sharing those with the world, marketing is just about the, the overlap generation of that. So you talked about Adam, you talked about the the outbound um like marketing sort of we are talking to customers and trying to generate overlap with the the company to the principles the company believes in uh with a customer, but you can also uh look inwardly in a company and say by having strong principles, we are creating overlap in what the employees believe in and in what the employees stand for. And if you ask me like what’s the one thing that is really important in terms of of leadership, it’s creating clarity and so principles, if they’re good and true tend to create clarity. So I’m wondering how often and like so this is full circle, how often do you reference these principles internally and actually make decisions at Muse and even sort of from from how you hire, how you uh sort of try to mentor and grow people and so on, like I’m curious how how that’s working for you. 00:48:29 - Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they’re quite important internally. For example, my old favorite, no spinners, I invoke that all the time. I think principles in general, they help you make decisions faster, crisper, more consistently with less thrashing and noise. I think that’s all very good. 00:48:44 - Speaker 1: The no spinner one is probably an example because it’s very concrete. You can kind of say, hey, if I am designing UI that has a spinner, an alarm bell should go off and I should reconsider my choices. And at the same time, If you start really deeply thinking about it, like it works on the surface level because you’re basically just telling everybody who works on the product, hey, no spinners, and then the product is better. But there is even an undercurrent, which is if I am a mindful uh maker that is part of building new, I will try and evaluate, but why do we care about no spinners? And suddenly you start going to the next one, which is, hey, software needs to be fast if it’s not uh fast, it’s not fully shipped or whatever, it’s actually an old GitHub in. And so it it it makes you. A better contributor to the product because you now intrinsically get it. And so you might augment it and say, hey, no spinners, and at the same time also, oh, by the way, I saw this API call didn’t return in the whatever milliseconds that we expected to return, and so you learned something new as an employee as part of the cabal or the co op or whoever you’re working um because someone shared that principle and said this is something we believe in, right? Like, so there’s this transference of skills that happens over time. Um, if you adhere to principles. Right. 00:49:54 - Speaker 3: And then once you’ve derived that result for yourself, you can cash it in a way and you don’t need to re-derive it every time you have the discussion, so you can make the decision much faster, which I think is important, not just in terms of speed, but in terms of emotional energy, which is very limited in the world of a startup and you need to invest that towards making your customer successful and not making decisions internally. 00:50:14 - Speaker 1: I really like the framing of caching. Um, I don’t know if you you two have this well, I actually do know because you send it over. But there are certain kind of blog posts that are just inherently linkable and you’re having a conversation and you’re just writing some text and then you link a blog post. That blog post usually has really strong principles and what you’re essentially conjuring up is a cache of saying, you know, we have this shared worldview. I’m referencing this cache object over there, this blog post, Clay Shirky is situated. Software is something that I think there’s no conversation between the three of us that we don’t reference it. And suddenly we’ve created enough context and saying, OK, we know we’re talking about the same thing. We don’t have to go down that that that decision tree anymore. Now let’s navigate and go towards the new stuff. And so I really like the framing of caching. I think that’s a very nice parallel. 00:51:03 - Speaker 2: And I like there that it also gives you both a name. So this shared vocabulary, uh, which was one of my goals at 12 Factor. I think it was also one of our goals, we wrote Local first, which is another kind of manifesto piece, and the idea of attaching this name to a thing that people within a company or a team or even within an industry, you can use this word to describe the set of ideas that might might have a very deep be a web of nested ideas or a deep stack of ideas. And in addition to that name, whether it’s situated software, local first or 12 factor, uh, you can also, you have the URL, you have the canonical URL that’s that’s very linkable. So when someone says, what is that, you’ve got the, the citation. And that was one of my motivations with 12 factor and one reason I broke out each of the factors is their own page is I wanted to be able to, when I was in the 1000th conversation with someone about, well, wait, why do I have to specify my dependencies? I could just basically drop the URL and say, read this. Um, and so I think that’s another thing you need out of these canonical, these canonical sources for defining a principle that we can discuss and, and build on. It’s not necessarily a question of whether you agree or not. It’s more of, here’s a neat package that has a name and a URL and we can either use this as a basis to say yes, we both know this is a starting place and as you said, Max, go on to the, go on to the new stuff or say, actually, I don’t agree with that. Set of principles and so therefore, you say, OK, well, now we have a more fundamental conversation we need to have before we can move forward on whatever we’re trying to collaborate on. 00:52:35 - Speaker 1: One way in which I’ve started thinking about this is taking aside sort of the monetary incentives or the intrinsic we like to make things. Muse, for example, wants to encourage people to see the world in a certain way, right? Like that’s why it’s a principled product. If you think about it, you don’t necessarily actually have to build a product to make that happen. You could theoretically think of a metaphorical like I have a bucket of links. So what is the most distilled bucket of links, smallest bucket of links that I can just dump on a on a meeting room table and then leave, and the people in the meeting room will read all of those links and internalize that and suddenly they have that worldview, right? And uh you can kind of think of a product as that bucket of of links or references and so on, but in an even more distilled form than a bunch of articles. And I think that is sort of the feeling of uh that uh you get where Hioku or 12 factor, my my bet here and this time will tell. I believe that the principles of 12 factor will outlive Hioku in the same way that I think that the principles in Muse will very likely outlive the application muses, and they will live on and get remixed and so on, which by the way, another good reason to write them down and sort of try and separate them a little bit from the product. But it is not such that the most effective way is to try and distill it into a product so someone can use it on a daily basis versus sort of saying, yes, I am going to care about the exact same things you care about. I’m going to read all of this, do all the research that you’ve done. No, I’m just going to use the product, read the distilled version that you say I need to to understand the product and then slowly my worldview sort of shifts. Um, and I think that another reason why I think principal products is just such a powerful framing for for product development. 00:54:19 - Speaker 3: I think reifying your principles into a product is also important because it’s an existence proof for the set of principles. Really the only way that you can know that these ideas match reality and all of its complexity and nuance is if you actually make something that has all those things working together at the same time. That was a big motivation, I think, for doing the lab and then Muse. We suspected the world could work this way. We couldn’t be sure until it physically existed. 00:54:45 - Speaker 1: I like that you bridge the gap there between Um, sort of research and observation of other products and saying, OK, look, these are the things that we found in other people and and and sort of in in using them, but then it’s like, OK, well, but now let’s put this to the to the test and build one with those principles to see how well does this actually turn out, right? And so. Uh, yeah, a very worthwhile endeavor if you ask me. 00:55:08 - Speaker 2: I think that’s a nice way to wrap on the topic of principled products. If any of our listeners out there have feedback, feel free to reach out to us at UAHQ on Twitter or hello at Newsapp.com by email. We always love to hear your comments and we’d love to hear ideas for future episodes. And Max, thanks for coming on and chatting with us, and thanks so much for being a user, a customer, helping us along this journey. It was a little rough in the beginning, I know, but hopefully it’s starting to pay off for you now. 00:55:37 - Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for having me and for letting me be a part of the creation process of Muse. It’s really, really fun.
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