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Have you wondered how psychedelics are being intentionally used by artists, writers, musicians, and other creatives to push the boundaries of their craft? This session kicks off our new series, Psychedelic Salon, with a panel of esteemed Seattle artists who will discuss the role of psychedelics in Seattle's countercultural movements and how they influence artistic expression. Expect a candid conversation on the relationship between altered states and creativity, with insights from prominent Seattle creatives known for their experimentation. Attendees will gain a deeper understanding of how psychedelics can be used as a tool for creative flow and self-expression. April Pride is a serial creative entrepreneur with over 20 years of experience developing brands and products across interiors, fashion, lifestyle, cannabis, psychedelics, audio, and more. In 2015, she launched Van der Pop, an industry defining, female-focused cannabis lifestyle brand. Van der Pop published the pioneering Women & Weed Survey exploring North American women's perspectives on cannabis. After exiting to Canopy Growth, one of world's largest cannabis companies, April continued her advocacy for cannabis normalization through her popular podcasts, How to Do the Pot and The High Guide. Currently, April is the CEO and Founder of SetSet, an accessible psychedelic education and integration platform offering clinician-created educational guides and programs. Rachel Demy is a fine art photographer, writer, and educator in Seattle, Washington. She employs a non-linear approach to her work, which covers themes of trauma, addiction, and all manner of human experiences considered difficult to look at directly. Her upcoming solo gallery exhibition, Revocable Living, is a collection of photographs made while (unknowingly) in active addiction and runs from February 27 – April 12, 2025, at Spectrum Fine Art (Seattle, WA). Her first photography book, Between, Everywhere—about touring with Death Cab for Cutie—was published through Minor Matters Books in 2022. Tim Keck co-founded The Stranger, Seattle's alternative weekly newspaper, known for its bold, irreverent take on local news, culture, and politics. Before founding The Stranger, Keck co-founded The Onion, the satirical newspaper that has since become a cultural institution. At The Onion, Keck helped set the foundation for the publication's signature comedic style, influencing generations of satirists and journalists. Throughout his career, Keck has been a key figure in shaping the landscape of alternative media and journalism. His work has challenged conventional boundaries of news reporting and entertainment, blending the two in a way that continues to resonate with readers across the country. Keck's print and digital media contributions reflect his deep commitment to innovative, independent journalism. About Psychedelic Salon: A Monthly Series Exploring Novel Therapeutics for Well-Being  Seattle-based cannabis and psychedelics educator & podcast host April Pride hosts a collaborative series with Town Hall Seattle focused on the emerging science of psychedelic medicine. This women-forward series highlights the potential of novel therapeutics for mental health, reproductive health, chronic pain, trauma, and overall optimization. Through engaging panel discussions, expert talks, and community conversations, April offers an accessible platform for researchers, clinicians, and advocates to share insights on psychedelics for improved human health. The series would also explore the historical context of women's roles in plant medicine and the growing movement to incorporate psychedelics into mainstream treatment options, particularly for conditions that disproportionately affect women, such as anxiety, depression, and PTSD. Presented by Town Hall Seattle and SetSet.

Support Lorenzo on Patreon.com Guest speakers: Allyson and Alex Grey PROGRAM NOTES: Alex Grey and Frank Nuccio - Burning Man 2024 At the 2024 Burnoing Man Festival, two of the Palenque Note speakers were Allyson and Alex Gray, who discuss their work and their interspiritual art church, COSM, in the Hudson Valley. They explain how their use of psychedelics, particularly MDMA, influenced their decision to create COSM as a community space where people could connect through shared experiences and explore their spirituality. They also highlight the importance of community values, particularly integrity and truth, in fostering a supportive and inclusive environment. The conversation touches on various topics, including the nature of spiritual communities, the role of art and creativity, and the concept of the afterlife. Belhe first appearance of the Grey's on the Psychedelic Salon. These recordings were made at Entheon Village during the 2006 Burning Man Festival. Podcast 007 – “Art, Love, Family, and Psychedelics” (Part 1)https://psychedelicsalon.com/podcast-007-art-love-family-and-psychedelics-part-1/ Podcast 008 – “Art, Love, Family, and Psychedelics” (Part 2)https://psychedelicsalon.com/podcast-008-art-love-family-and-psychedelics-part-2/

Support Lorenzo on Patreon.com Guest speaker: Terence McKenna PROGRAM NOTES: Today begins our 20th year of podcasting from the Psychedelic Salon with a talk that Terence McKenna gave in the late 1980s. Near the end he talks about his daily cannabis use and how he and Kat got together. As far as I can remember, this is his only time that he got so personal.

Support Lorenzo on Patreon.com Guest speaker: Charles Grob PROGRAM NOTES: Charlie Grob and Lorenzo (circa: 2012) Today we feature a talk that Dr. Charles Grob gave at the 1994 Transpersonal Association Conference in Killarny, Ireland. The focus of this talk concerns Dr. Grob's work with ayahuasca users in Brazil. As far as I know, this was the first government approved human study of the physiological effects of ayahuasca on humans. This study compared 15 long-term ayahuasca drinkers with healthy individuals and found that UDV members had lower levels of anxiety and many had overcome alcohol abuse. Another study by Grob and Dartiu Xavier Silveira compared 40 adolescent ayahuasca drinkers with non-drinkers. The research showed positive outcomes, such as reduced alcohol consumption among UDV teenagers and improved mood, self-acceptance, and interpersonal relationships in participants. These studies contributed to understanding the therapeutic potential of ayahuasca ARCHIVE of Dr. Charles Grob on the Psychedelic Salon

This week we talk about the intersections of large language models, the golden age of television and its storytelling mishaps, making one's way through the weirding of the labor economy, and much more with two of my favorite Gen X science fiction aficionados, OG podcaster KMO and our mutual friend Kevin Arthur Wohlmut. In this episode — a standalone continuation to my recent appearance on The KMO Show, we skip like a stone across mentions of every Star Trek series, the collapse of narratives and the social fabric, Westworld HBO, Star Wars Mandalorian vs. Andor vs. Rebels, chatGPT, Blade Runner 2049, Black Mirror, H.P. Lovecraft, the Sheldrake-Abraham-McKenna Trialogues, Charles Stross' Accelerando, Adventure Time, Stanislav Grof's LSD psychotherapy, Francisco Varela, Blake Lemoine's meltdown over Google LaMDA, Integrated Information Theory, biosemiotics, Douglas Hofstadter, Max Tegmarck, Erik Davis, Peter Watts, The Psychedelic Salon, Melanie Mitchell, The Teafaerie, Kevin Kelly, consilience in science, Fight Club, and more…Or, if you prefer, here's a rundown of the episode generated by A.I. c/o my friends at Podium.page:In this episode, I explore an ambitious and well-connected conversation with guests KMO, a seasoned podcaster, and Kevin Walnut [sic], a close friend and supporter of the arts in Santa Fe. We dive deep into their thoughts on the social epistemology crisis, science fiction, deep fakes, and ontology. Additionally, we discuss their opinions on the Star Trek franchise, particularly their critiques of the first two seasons of Star Trek: Picard and Discovery. Through this engaging conversation, we examine the impact of storytelling and the evolution of science fiction in modern culture. We also explore the relationship between identity, media, and artificial intelligence, as well as the ethical implications of creating sentient artificial general intelligence (AGI) and the philosophical questions surrounding AI's impact on society and human existence. Join us for a thought-provoking and in-depth discussion on a variety of topics that will leave you questioning the future of humanity and our relationship with technology.✨ Before we get started, three big announcements!* I am leaving the Santa Fe Institute, in part to write a very ambitious book about technology, art, imagination, and Jurassic Park. You can be a part of the early discussion around this project by joining the Future Fossils Book Club's Jurassic Park live calls — the first of which will be on Saturday, 29 April — open to Substack and Patreon supporters:* Catch me in a Twitter Space with Nxt Museum on Monday 17 April at 11 am PST on a panel discussing “Creative Misuse of Technology” with Minne Atairu, Parag Mital, Caroline Sinders, and hosts Jesse Damiani and Charlotte Kent.* I'm back in Austin this October to play the Astronox Festival at Apache Pass! Check out this amazing lineup on which I appear alongside Juno Reactor, Entheogenic, Goopsteppa, DRRTYWULVZ, and many more great artists!✨ Support Future Fossils:Subscribe anywhere you go for podcastsSubscribe to the podcast PLUS essays, music, and news on Substack or Patreon.Buy my original paintings or commission new work.Buy my music on Bandcamp! (This episode features “A Better Trip” from my recent live album by the same name.)Or if you're into lo-fi audio, follow me and my listening recommendations on Spotify.This conversation continues with lively and respectful interaction every single day in the members-only Future Fossils Facebook Group and Discord server. Join us!Episode cover art by KMO and a whole bouquet of digital image manipulation apps.✨ Tip Jars:@futurefossils on Venmo$manfredmacx on CashAppmichaelgarfield on PayPal✨ Affiliate Links:• These show notes and the transcript were made possible with Podium.Page, a very cool new AI service I'm happy to endorse. 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You can hear it playing all the synths on my song about Jurassic Park.✨ Mentioned Media:KMO Show S01 E01 - 001 - Michael Garfield and Kevin WohlmutAn Edifying Thought on AI by Charles EisensteinIn Defense of Star Trek: Picard & Discovery by Michael GarfieldImprovising Out of Algorithmic Isolation by Michael GarfieldAI and the Transformation of the Human Spirit by Steven Hales(and yes I know it's on Quillette, and no I don't think this automatically disqualifies it)Future Fossils Book Club #1: Blindsight by Peter WattsFF 116 - The Next Ten Billion Years: Ugo Bardi & John Michael Greer as read by Kevin Arthur Wohlmut✨ Related Recent Future Fossils Episodes:FF 198 - Tadaaki Hozumi on Japanese Esotericism, Aliens, Land Spirits, & The Singularity (Part 2)FF 195 - A.I. Art: An Emergency Panel with Julian Picaza, Evo Heyning, Micah Daigle, Jamie Curcio, & Topher SipesFF 187 - Fear & Loathing on the Electronic Frontier with Kevin Welch & David Hensley of EFF-Austin FF 178 - Chris Ryan on Exhuming The Human from Our Eldritch Institutions FF 175 - C. Thi Nguyen on The Seductions of Clarity, Weaponized Games, and Agency as Art ✨ Chapters:0:15:45 - The Substance of Philosophy (58 Seconds)0:24:45 - Complicated TV Narratives and the Internet (104 Seconds)0:30:54 - Humans vs Hosts in Westworld (81 Seconds)0:38:09 - Philosophical Zombies and Artificial Intelligence (89 Seconds)0:43:00 - Popular Franchises Themes (71 Seconds)1:03:27 - Reflections on a Changing Media Landscape (89 Seconds)1:10:45 - The Pathology of Selective Evidence (92 Seconds)1:16:32 - Externalizing Trauma Through Technology (131 Seconds)1:24:51 - From Snow Maker to Thouandsaire (43 Seconds)1:36:48 - The Impact of Boomer Parenting (126 Seconds)✨ Keywords:Social Epistemology, Science Fiction, Deep Fakes, Ontology, Star Trek, Artificial Intelligence, AI Impact, Sentient AGI, Human-Machine Interconnectivity, Consciousness Theory, Westworld, Blade Runner 2049, AI in Economy, AI Companion Chatbots, Unconventional Career Path, AI and Education, AI Content Creation, AI in Media, Turing Test✨ UNEDITED machine-generated transcript generated by podium.page:0:00:00Five four three two one. Go. So it's not like Wayne's world where you say the two and the one silently. Now, Greetings future fossils.0:00:11Welcome to episode two hundred and one of the podcast that explores our place in time I'm your host, Michael Garfield. And this is one of these extra juicy and delicious episodes of the show where I really ratcheted up with our guests and provide you one of these singularity is near kind of ever everything is connected to everything, self organized criticality right at the edge of chaos conversations, deeply embedded in chapel parallel where suddenly the invisible architect picture of our cosmos starts to make itself apparent through the glass bead game of conversation. And I am that I get to share it with you. Our guests this week are KMO, one of the most seasoned and well researched and experienced podcasters that I know. Somebody whose show the Sea Realm was running all the way back in two thousand six, I found him through Eric Davis, who I think most of you know, and I've had on the show a number of times already. And also Kevin Walnut, who is a close friend of mine here in Santa Fe, a just incredible human being, he's probably the strongest single supporter of music that I'm aware of, you know, as far as local scenes are concerned and and supporting people's music online and helping get the word out. He's been instrumental to my family and I am getting ourselves situated here all the way back to when I visited Santa Fe in two thousand eighteen to participate in the Santa Fe Institute's Interplanetary Festival and recorded conversations on that trip John David Ebert and Michael Aaron Cummins. And Ike used so June. About hyper modernity, a two part episode one zero four and one zero five. I highly recommend going back to that, which is really the last time possibly I had a conversation just this incredibly ambitious on the show.0:02:31But first, I want to announce a couple things. One is that I have left the Santa Fe Institute. The other podcast that I have been hosting for them for the last three and a half years, Complexity Podcast, which is substantially more popular in future fossils due to its institutional affiliation is coming to a close, I'm recording one more episode with SFI president David Krakauer next week in which I'm gonna be talking about my upcoming book project. And that episode actually is conjoined with the big announcement that I have for members of the Future Fossil's listening audience and and paid supporters, which is, of course, the Jurassic Park Book Club that starts On April twenty ninth, we're gonna host the first of two video calls where I'm gonna dive deep into the science and philosophy Michael Creighton's most popular work of fiction and its impact on culture and society over the thirty three years since its publication. And then I'm gonna start picking up as many of the podcasts that I had scheduled for complexity and had to cancel upon my departure from SFI. And basically fuse the two shows.0:03:47And I think a lot of you saw this coming. Future fossils is going to level up and become a much more scientific podcast. As I prepare and research the book that I'm writing about Jurassic Park and its legacy and the relationship It has to ILM and SFI and the Institute of Eco Technics. And all of these other visionary projects that sprouted in the eighties and nineties to transition from the analog to the digital the collapse of the boundaries between the real and the virtual, the human and the non human worlds, it's gonna be a very very ambitious book and a very very ambitious book club. And I hope that you will get in there because obviously now I am out in the rain as an independent producer and very much need can benefit from and am deeply grateful for your support for this work in order to make things happen and in order to keep my family fed, get the lights on here with future fossils. So with that, I wanna thank all of the new supporters of the show that have crawled out of the woodwork over the last few weeks, including Raefsler Oingo, Brian in the archaeologist, Philip Rice, Gerald Bilak, Jamie Curcio, Jeff Hanson who bought my music, Kuaime, Mary Castello, VR squared, Nastia teaches, community health com, Ed Mulder, Cody Couiac, bought my music, Simon Heiduke, amazing visionary artist. I recommend you check out, Kayla Peters. Yeah. All of you, I just wow. Thank you so much. It's gonna be a complete melee in this book club. I'm super excited to meet you all. I will send out details about the call details for the twenty ninth sometime in the next few days via a sub tag in Patreon.0:06:09The amount of support that I've received through this transition has been incredible and it's empowering me to do wonderful things for you such as the recently released secret videos of the life sets I performed with comedian Shane Moss supporting him, opening for him here in Santa Fe. His two sold out shows at the Jean Coutu cinema where did the cyber guitar performances. And if you're a subscriber, you can watch me goofing off with my pedal board. There's a ton of material. I'm gonna continue to do that. I've got a lot of really exciting concerts coming up in the next few months that we're gonna get large group and also solo performance recordings from and I'm gonna make those available in a much more resplendent way to supporters as well as the soundtrack to Mark Nelson of the Institute of Eco Technics, his UC San Diego, Art Museum, exhibit retrospective looking at BioSphere two. I'm doing music for that and that's dropping. The the opening of that event is April twenty seventh. There's gonna be a live zoom event for that and then I'm gonna push the music out as well for that.0:07:45So, yeah, thank you all. I really, really appreciate you listening to the show. I am excited to share this episode with you. KMO is just a trove. Of insight and experience. I mean, he's like a perfect entry into the digital history museum that this show was predicated upon. So with that and also, of course, Kevin Willett is just magnificent. And for the record, stick around at the end of the conversation. We have some additional pieces about AI, and I think you're gonna really enjoy it. And yeah, thank you. Here we go. Alright. Cool.0:09:26Well, we just had a lovely hour of discussion for the new KMO podcast. And now I'm here with KMO who is The most inveterate podcaster I know. And I know a lot of them. Early adopts. And I think that weird means what you think it means. Inventor it. Okay. Yes. Hey, answer to both. Go ahead. I mean, you're not yet legless and panhandling. So prefer to think of it in term in terms of August estimation. Yeah. And am I allowed to say Kevin Walnut because I've had you as a host on True. Yeah. My last name was appeared on your show. It hasn't appeared on camos yet, but I don't really care. Okay. Great. Yeah. Karen Arthur Womlett, who is one of the most solid and upstanding and widely read and just generous people, I think I know here in Santa Fe or maybe anywhere. With excellent taste and podcasts. Yes. And who is delicious meat I am sampling right now as probably the first episode of future fossils where I've had an alcoholic beverage in my hand. Well, I mean, it's I haven't deprived myself. Of fun. And I think if you're still listening to the show after all these years, you probably inferred that. But at any rate, Welcome on board. Thank you. Thanks. Pleasure to be here.0:10:49So before we started rolling, I guess, so the whole conversation that we just had for your show camera was very much about my thoughts on the social epistemology crisis and on science fiction and deep fakes and all of these kinds of weird ontology and these kinds of things. But in between calls, we were just talking about how much you detest the first two seasons of Star Trek card and of Discovery. And as somebody, I didn't bother with doing this. I didn't send you this before we spoke, but I actually did write an SIN defense of those shows. No one. Yeah. So I am not attached to my opinion on this, but And I actually do wanna at some point double back and hear storytelling because when he had lunch and he had a bunch of personal life stuff that was really interesting. And juicy and I think worthy of discussion. But simply because it's hot on the rail right now, I wanna hear you talk about Star Trek. And both of you, actually, I know are very big fans of this franchise. I think fans are often the ones from whom a critic is most important and deserved. And so I welcome your unhinged rants. Alright. Well, first, I'll start off by quoting Kevin's brother, the linguist, who says, That which brings us closer to Star Trek is progress. But I'd have to say that which brings us closer to Gene Rottenberry and Rick Berman era Star Trek. Is progress. That which brings us closer to Kurtzmann. What's his first name? Alex. Alex Kurtzmann, Star Trek. Well, that's not even the future. I mean, that's just that's our drama right now with inconsistent Star Trek drag draped over it.0:12:35I liked the first JJ Abrams' Star Trek. I think it was two thousand nine with Chris Pine and Zachary Qinto and Karl Urban and Joey Saldana. I liked the casting. I liked the energy. It was fun. I can still put that movie on and enjoy it. But each one after that just seem to double down on the dumb and just hold that arm's length any of the philosophical stuff that was just amazing from Star Trek: The Next Generation or any of the long term character building, which was like from Deep Space nine.0:13:09And before seven of nine showed up on on Voyager, you really had to be a dedicated Star Trek fan to put up with early season's Voyager, but I did because I am. But then once she came on board and it was hilarious. They brought her onboard. I remember seeing Jerry Ryan in her cat suit on the cover of a magazine and just roll in my eyes and think, oh my gosh, this show is in such deep trouble through sinking to this level to try to save it. But she was brilliant. She was brilliant in that show and she and Robert Percardo as the doctor. I mean, it basically became the seven of nine and the doctor show co starring the rest of the cast of Voyager. And it was so great.0:13:46I love to hear them singing together and just all the dynamics of I'm human, but I was I basically came up in a cybernetic collective and that's much more comfortable to me. And I don't really have the option of going back it. So I gotta make the best of where I am, but I feel really superior to all of you. Is such it was such a charming dynamic. I absolutely loved it. Yes. And then I think a show that is hated even by Star Trek fans Enterprise. Loved Enterprise.0:14:15And, yes, the first three seasons out of four were pretty rough. Actually, the first two were pretty rough. The third season was that Zendy Ark in the the expanse. That was pretty good. And then season four was just astounding. It's like they really found their voice and then what's his name at CBS Paramount.0:14:32He's gone now. He got me too. What's his name? Les Moonves? Said, no. I don't like Star Trek. He couldn't he didn't know the difference between Star Wars and Star Trek. That was his level of engagement.0:14:44And he's I really like J.0:14:46J.0:14:46Abrams. What's that? You mean J. J. Abrams. Yeah. I think J. J. Is I like some of J. Abrams early films. I really like super eight. He's clearly his early films were clearly an homage to, like, eighties, Spielberg stuff, and Spielberg gets the emotional beats right, and JJ Abrams was mimicking that, and his early stuff really works. It's just when he starts adapting properties that I really love. And he's coming at it from a marketing standpoint first and a, hey, we're just gonna do the lost mystery box thing. We're gonna set up a bunch questions to which we don't know the answers, and it'll be up to somebody else to figure it out, somebody down the line. I as I told you, between our conversations before we were recording. I really enjoy or maybe I said it early in this one. I really like that first J. J. Abrams, Star Trek: Foam, and then everyone thereafter, including the one that Simon Pegg really had a hand in because he's clear fan. Yeah. Yeah. But they brought in director from one of the fast and the furious films and they tried to make it an action film on.0:15:45This is not Star Trek, dude. This is not why we like Star Trek. It's not for the flash, particularly -- Oh my god. -- again, in the first one, it was a stylistic choice. I'd like it, then after that is that's the substance of this, isn't it? It's the lens flares. I mean, that that's your attempt at philosophy. It's this the lens flares. That's your attempt at a moral dilemma. I don't know.0:16:07I kinda hate to start off on this because this is something about which I feel like intense emotion and it's negative. And I don't want that to be my first impression. I'm really negative about something. Well, one of the things about this show is that I always joke that maybe I shouldn't edit it because The thing that's most interesting to archaeologists is often the trash mitt and here I am tidying this thing up to be presentable to future historians or whatever like it I can sync to that for sure. Yeah. I'm sorry. The fact of it is you're not gonna know everything and we want it that way. No. It's okay. We'll get around to the stuff that I like. But yeah. So anyway yeah.0:16:44So I could just preassociate on Stretrick for a while, so maybe a focusing question. Well, but first, you said there's a you had more to say, but you were I this this tasteful perspective. This is awesome. Well, I do have a focus on question for you. So let me just have you ask it because for me to get into I basically I'm alienated right now from somebody that I've been really good friends with since high school.0:17:08Because over the last decade, culturally, we have bifurcated into the hard right, hard left. And I've tried not to go either way, but the hard left irritates me more than the hard right right now. And he is unquestionably on the hard left side. And I know for people who are dedicated Marxist, or really grounded in, like, materialism and the material well-being of workers that the current SJW fanaticism isn't leftist. It's just crazed. We try to put everything, smash everything down onto this left right spectrum, and it's pretty easy to say who's on the left and who's on the right even if a two dimensional, two axis graph would be much more expressive and nuanced.0:17:49Anyway, what's your focus in question? Well, And I think there is actually there is a kind of a when we ended your last episode talking about the bell riots from d s nine -- Mhmm. -- that, you know, how old five? Yeah. Twenty four. Ninety five did and did not accurately predict the kind of technological and economic conditions of this decade. It predicted the conditions Very well. Go ahead and finish your question. Yeah. Right.0:18:14That's another thing that's retreated in picard season two, and it was actually worth it. Yeah. Like, it was the fact that they decided to go back there was part of the defense that I made about that show and about Discovery's jump into the distant future and the way that they treated that I posted to medium a year or two ago when I was just watching through season two of picard. And for me, the thing that I liked about it was that they're making an effort to reconcile the wonder and the Ethiopian promise And, you know, this Kevin Kelly or rather would call Blake Protopian, right, that we make these improvements and that they're often just merely into incremental improvements the way that was it MLK quoted that abolitionists about the long arc of moral progress of moral justice. You know, I think that there's something to that and patitis into the last this is a long question. I'm mad at I'm mad at these. Thank you all for tolerating me.0:19:22But the when to tie it into the epistemology question, I remember this seeing this impactful lecture by Carnegie Mellon and SFI professor Simon Didayo who was talking about how by running statistical analysis on the history of the proceedings of the Royal Society, which is the oldest scientific journal, that you could see what looked like a stock market curve in sentiment analysis about the confidence that scientists had at the prospect of unifying knowledge. And so you have, like, conciliance r s curve here that showed that knowledge would be more and more unified for about a century or a hundred and fifty years then it would go through fifty years of decline where something had happened, which was a success of knowledge production. Had outpaced our ability to integrate it. So we go through these kinds of, like, psychedelic peak experiences collectively, and then we have sit there with our heads in our hands and make sense of everything that we've learned over the last century and a half and go through a kind of a deconstructive epoch. Where we don't feel like the center is gonna hold anymore. And that is what I actually As as disappointing as I accept that it is and acknowledge that it is to people who were really fueling themselves on that more gene rottenberry era prompt vision for a better society, I actually appreciated this this effort to explore and address in the shows the way that they could pop that bubble.0:21:03And, like, it's on the one hand, it's boring because everybody's trying to do the moral complexity, anti hero, people are flawed, thing in narrative now because we have a general loss of faith in our institutions and in our rows. On the other hand, like, that's where we are and that's what we need to process And I think there is a good reason to look back at the optimism and the quarian hope of the sixties and early seventies. We're like, really, they're not so much the seventies, but look back on that stuff and say, we wanna keep telling these stories, but we wanna tell it in a way that acknowledges that the eighties happened. And that this is you got Tim Leary, and then you've got Ronald Reagan. And then That just or Dick Nixon. And like these things they wash back and forth. And so it's not unreasonable to imagine that in even in a world that has managed to how do you even keep a big society like that coherent? It has to suffer kind of fabric collapses along the way at different points. And so I'm just curious your thoughts about that. And then I do have another prompt, but I wanna give Kevin the opportunity to respond to this as well as to address some of the prompts that you brought to this conversation? This is a conversation prompt while we weren't recording. It has nothing to do with Sartreks. I'll save that for later. Okay.0:22:25Well, everything you just said was in some way related to a defense of Alex Kurtzmann Star Trek. And it's not my original idea. I'm channeling somebody from YouTube, surely. But Don't get points for theme if the storytelling is incompetent. That's what I was gonna Yeah. And the storytelling in all of Star Trek: Discovery, and in the first two seasons of picard was simply incompetent.0:22:53When Star Trek, the next generation was running, they would do twenty, twenty four, sometimes more episodes in one season. These days, the season of TVs, eight episodes, ten, and they spend a lot more money on each episode. There's a lot more special effects. There's a lot more production value. Whereas Star Trek: The Next Generation was, okay, we have these standing sets. We have costumes for our actors. We have Two dollars for special effects. You better not introduce a new alien spaceship. It that costs money. We have to design it. We have to build it. So use existing stuff. Well, what do you have? You have a bunch of good actors and you have a bunch of good writers who know how to tell a story and craft dialogue and create tension and investment with basically a stage play and nothing in the Kerstmann era except one might argue and I would have sympathy strange new worlds. Comes anywhere close to that level of competence, which was on display for decades. From Star Trek: The Next Generation, Star Trek: Deep Space nines, Star Trek Voyager, and Star Trek Enterprise. And so, I mean, I guess, in that respect, it's worth asking because, I mean, all of us, I think, are fans of Deep Space nine.0:24:03You don't think that it's a shift in focus. You don't think that strange in world is exempt because it went back to a more episodic format because what you're talking about is the ability for rather than a show runner or a team of show runners to craft a huge season, long dramatic arc. You've got people that are like Harlan Ellison in the original series able to bring a really potent one off idea to the table and drop it. And so there are there's all of those old shows are inconsistent from episode to episode. Some are they have specific writers that they would bring back again and that you could count to knock out of the park. Yeah. DC Fontana. Yeah.0:24:45So I'm curious to your thoughts on that as well as another part of this, which is when we talk when we talk your show about Doug Rushkoff and and narrative collapse, and he talks about how viewers just have different a way, it's almost like d s nine was possibly partially responsible for this change in what people expected from so. From television programming in the documentary that was made about that show and they talk about how people weren't ready for cereal. I mean, for I mean, yeah, for these long arcs, And so there is there's this question now about how much of this sort of like tiresome moral complexity and dragging narrative and all of this and, like, things like Westworld where it becomes so baroque and complicated that, like, you have, like, die hard fans like me that love it, but then you have a lot of people that just lost interest. They blacked out because the show was trying to tell a story that was, like, too intricate like, too complicated that the the show runners themselves got lost. And so that's a JJ Abrams thing too, the puzzle the mystery box thing where You get to the end of five seasons of lost and you're like, dude, did you just forget?0:25:56Did you wake up five c five episodes ago and just, oh, right. Right. We're like a chatbot that only give you very convincing answers based on just the last two or three interactions. But you don't remember the scene that we set. Ten ten responses ago. Hey. You know, actually, red articles were forget who it was, which series it was, they were saying that there's so many leaks and spoilers in getting out of the Internet that potentially the writers don't know where they're going because that way it can't be with the Internet. Yeah. Sounds interesting. Yeah. That sounds like cover for incompetence to be.0:26:29I mean, on the other hand, I mean, you did hear, like, Nolan and Joy talking about how they would they were obsessed with the Westworld subreddit and the fan theories and would try to dodge Like, if they had something in their mind that they found out that people are re anticipating, they would try to rewrite it. And so there is something about this that I think is really speaks to the nature of because I do wanna loop in your thoughts on AI to because you're talking about this being a favorite topic. Something about the, like, trying to The demands on the self made by predatory surveillance technologies are such that the I'm convinced the adaptive response is that we become more stochastic or inconsistent in our identities. And that we kind of sublimate from a more solid state of identity to or through a liquid kind of modernity biologic environment to a gaseous state of identity. That is harder to place sorry, harder to track. And so I think that this is also part of and this is the other question I wanted to ask you, and then I'm just gonna shut up for fifteen minutes is do you when you talk about loving Robert Ricardo and Jerry Ryan as the doctor at seven zero nine, One of the interesting things about that relationship is akin to stuff.0:27:52I know you've heard on Kevin have heard on future fossils about my love for Blade Runner twenty forty nine and how it explores all of these different these different points along a gradient between what we think of in the current sort of general understanding as the human and the machine. And so there's this thing about seven, right, where she's She's a human who wants to be a machine. And then there's this thing about the doctor where he's a machine that wants to be a human. And you have to grant both on a logical statuses to both of them. And that's why I think they're the two most interesting characters. Right?0:28:26And so at any rate, like, this is that's there's I've seen writing recently on the Turing test and how, like, really, there should be a reverse Turing test to see if people that have become utterly reliant on outboard cognition and information processing. They can pass the drink. Right. Are they philosophical zombies now? Are they are they having some an experience that that, you know, people like, thick and and shilling and the missing and these people would consider the modern self or are they something else have we moved on to another more routine robotic kind of category of being? I don't know. There's just a lot there, but -- Well done. -- considering everything you just said, In twenty words or less, what's your question? See, even more, like I said, do you have the inveterate podcaster? I'd say There's all of those things I just spoke about are ways in which what we are as people and the nature of our media, feedback into fourth, into each other. And so I would just love to hear you reflect on any of that, be it through the lens of Star Trek or just through the lens of discussion on AI. And we'll just let the ball roll downhill. So with the aim of framing something positively rather than negatively.0:29:47In the late nineties, mid to late nineties. We got the X Files. And the X Files for the first few seasons was so It was so engaging for me because Prior to that, there had been Hollywood tropes about aliens, which informed a lot of science fiction that didn't really connect with the actual reported experience of people who claim to have encountered either UFOs, now called UAPs, or had close encounters physical contact. Type encounters with seeming aliens. And it really seemed like Chris Carter, who was the showrunner, was reading the same Usenet Newsgroups that I was reading about those topics. Like, really, we had suddenly, for the first time, except maybe for comedian, you had the Grey's, and you had characters experiencing things that just seemed ripped right out of the reports that people were making on USnet, which for young folks, this is like pre Worldwide Web. It was Internet, but with no pictures. It's all text. Good old days from my perspective is a grumpy old gen xer. And so, yeah, that was a breakthrough moment.0:30:54Any this because you mentioned it in terms of Jonathan Nolan and his co writer on Westworld, reading the subreddit, the West and people figured out almost immediately that there were two interweaving time lines set decades apart and that there's one character, the old guy played by Ed Harris, and the young guy played by I don't remember the actor. But, you know, that they were the same character and that the inveterate white hat in the beginning turns into the inveterate black cat who's just there for the perverse thrill of tormenting the hosts as the robots are called. And the thing that I love most about that first season, two things. One, Anthony Hopkins. Say no more. Two, the revelation that the park has been basically copying humans or figuring out what humans are by closely monitoring their behavior in the park and the realization that the hosts come to is that, holy shit compared to us, humans are very simple creatures. We are much more complex. We are much more sophisticated, nuanced conscious, we feel more than the humans do, and that humans use us to play out their perverse and sadistic fantasies. To me, that was the takeaway message from season one.0:32:05And then I thought every season after that was just diluted and confused and not really coherent. And in particular, I haven't if there's a fourth season, haven't There was and then the show got canceled before they could finish the story. They had the line in season three. It was done after season three. And I was super happy to see Let's see after who plays Jesse Pinkman? Oh, no. Aaron oh, shit. Paul. Yes. Yeah. I was super happy to see him and something substantial and I was really pleased to see him included in the show and it's like, oh, that's what you're doing with him? They did a lot more interesting stuff with him in season four. I did they. They did a very much more interesting stuff. I think it was done after season three. If you tell me season four is worth taking in, I blow. I thought it was.0:32:43But again, I only watch television under very specific set of circumstances, and that's how I managed to enjoy television because I was a fierce and unrepentant hyperlogical critic of all media as a child until I managed to start smoking weed. And then I learned to enjoy myself. As we mentioned in the kitchen as I mentioned in the kitchen, if I smoke enough weed, Star Trek: Discovery is pretty and I can enjoy it on just a second by second level where if I don't remember what the character said thirty seconds ago, I'm okay. But I absolutely loved in season two when they brought in Hanson Mountain as as Christopher Pike. He's suddenly on the discovery and he's in the captain's chair. And it's like he's speaking for the audience. The first thing he says is, hey, why don't we turn on the lights? And then hey, all you people sitting around the bridge. We've been looking at your faces for a whole season. We don't even think about you. Listen to a round of introductions. Who are you? Who are you? It's it's if I were on set. You got to speak.0:33:53The writers is, who are these characters? We've been looking at them every single episode for a whole season. I don't know their names. I don't know anything about them. Why are they even here? Why is it not just Michael Burnham and an automated ship? And then it was for a while -- Yeah. -- which is funny. Yeah. To that point, And I think this kind of doubles back. The thing that I love about bringing him on and all of the people involved in strange and worlds in particular, is that these were lifelong fans of this series, I mean, of this world. Yeah. And so in that way, gets to this the idiosyncrasy question we're orbiting here, which is when these things are when the baton is passed well, it's passed to people who have now grown up with this stuff.0:34:40I personally cannot stand Jurassic World. Like, I think that Colin Trivaro should never have been in put at the reins. Which one did he direct? Oh, he did off he did first and the third. Okay. But, I mean, he was involved in all three very heavily.0:34:56And there's something just right at the outset of that first Jurassic World where you realize that this is not a film that's directly addressing the issues that Michael Creighton was trying to explore here. It's a film about its own franchise. It's a film about the fact that they can't just stop doing the same thing over and over again as we expect a different question. How can we not do it again? Right. And so it's actually, like, unpleasantly soft, conscious, in that way that I can't remember I'll try to find it for the show notes, but there's an Internet film reviewer who is talking about what happens when, like, all cinema has to take this self referential turn.0:35:34No. And films like Logan do it really well. But there are plenty of examples where it's just cheeky and self aware because that's what the ironic sensibility is obsessed with. And so, yeah, there's a lot of that where it's, like, you're talking about, like, Abrams and the the Star Wars seven and you know, that whole trilogy of Disney Star Wars, where it's, in my opinion, completely fumbled because there it's just empty fan service, whereas when you get to Andor, love Andor. Andor is amazing because they're capable of providing all of those emotional beats that the fans want and the ref the internal references and good dialogue. But they're able to write it in a way that's and shoot it in a way. Gilroy and Bo Willeman, basic of the people responsible for the excellent dialogue in Andor.0:36:31And I love the production design. I love all the stuff set on Coruscant, where you saw Coruscant a lot in the prequel trilogy, and it's all dayglow and bright and just in your face. And it's recognizable as Coruscant in andor, but it's dour. It's metropolis. It's all grays and it's and it's highlighting the disparity between where the wealthy live and where the poor live, which Lucas showed that in the prequel trilogy, but even in the sports bar where somebody tries to sell death sticks to Obi wan. So it's super clean and bright and just, you know, It shines too much. Personally though, and I just wanna stress, KMO is not grumpy media dude, I mean, this is a tiny fraction about, but I am wasting this interview with you. Love. All of the Dave Felloni animated Star Wars stuff, even rebels. Love it all.0:37:26I I'm so glad they aged up the character and I felt less guilty about loving and must staying after ahsoka tano? My favorite Star Wars character is ahsoka tano. But if you only watch the live action movies, you're like who? Well, I guess now that she's been on the Mandalorian, he's got tiny sliver of a foothold -- Yeah. -- in the super mainstream Star Wars. And that was done well, I thought. It was. I'm so sorry that Ashley Epstein doesn't have any part in it. But Rosario Dawson looks the part. She looks like a middle aged Asaka and think they tried to do some stuff in live action, which really should have been CGI because it's been established that the Jedi can really move, and she looked human. Which she is? If you put me on film, I'm gonna lick human. Right. Not if you're Canada Reeves, I guess. You got that. Yeah. But yeah.0:38:09So I do wanna just go real briefly back to this question with you about because we briefly talked about chat, GPT, and these other things in your half of this. And, yeah, I found out just the other night my friend, the t ferry, asked Chad g p t about me, and it gave a rather plausible and factual answer. I was surprised and That's what these language models do. They put plausible answers. But when you're doing search, you want correct answers. Right. I'm very good at that. Right. Then someone shared this Michelle Bowen's actually the famous PTP guy named him. Yeah. So, you know, So Michelle shared this article by Steven Hales and Colette, that was basically making the argument that there are now they're gonna be all these philosophical zombies, acting as intelligent agents sitting at the table of civilization, and there will be all the philosophical zombies of the people who have entirely yielded their agency to them, and they will be cohabitating with the rest of us.0:39:14And what an unpleasant scenario, So in light of that, and I might I'd love to hear you weave that together with your your thoughts on seven zero nine and the doctor and on Blade Runner twenty forty nine. And this thing that we're fumbling through as a species right now. Like, how do we got a new sort of taxonomy? Does your not audience need like a minute primer on P zombies? Might as well. Go for it.0:39:38So a philosophical zombie is somebody who behaves exactly like an insult person or a person with interior experience or subjective experience, but they don't have any subjective experience. And in Pardon me for interrupt. Wasn't that the question about the the book we read in your book club, a blind sign in this box? Yes. It's a black box, a drawn circle. Yeah. Chinese room experience. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Look, Daniel, it goes out. You don't know, it goes on inside the room. Chinese room, that's a tangent. We can come back to it. P. Zombie. P. Zombie is somebody or is it is an entity. It's basically a puppet. It looks human. It acts human. It talks like a human. It will pass a Turing test, but it has no interior experience.0:40:25And when I was going to grad school for philosophy of mind in the nineteen nineties, this was all very out there. There was no example of something that had linguistic competence. Which did not have internal experience. But now we have large language models and generative pretrained transformer based chatbots that don't have any internal experience. And yet, when you interact with them, it seems like there is somebody there There's a personality there. And if you go from one model to a different, it's a very different personality. It is distinctly different. And yet we have no reason to believe that they have any sort of internal experience.0:41:01So what AI in the last decade and what advances has demonstrated to us and really even before the last decade You back in the nineties when the blue beat Gary Casper off at at chess. And what had been the one of the defining characteristics of human intelligence was we're really good at this abstract mathematical stuff. And yeah, calculators can calculate pie in a way that we can't or they can cube roots in a way that humans generally can't, creative in their application of these methodologies And all of a sudden, well, yeah, it kinda seems like they are. And then when what was an alpha go -- Mhmm. -- when it be to least a doll in go, which is a much more complex game than chess and much more intuitive based. That's when we really had to say, hey, wait a minute. Maybe this notion that These things are the exclusive province of us because we have a special sort of self awareness. That's bunk. And the development of large language models since then has absolutely demonstrated that competence, particularly linguistic competence and in creative activities like painting and poetry and things like that, you don't need a soul, you don't even need to sense a self, it's pretty it's a pretty simple hack, actually. And Vahrv's large language models and complex statistical modeling and things, but it doesn't require a soul.0:42:19So that was the Peter Watts' point in blindsight. Right? Which is Look revolves around are do these things have a subjective experience, and do they not these aliens that they encounter? I've read nothing but good things about that book and I've read. It's extraordinary. But his lovecrafty and thesis is that you actually lovecraftian in twenty twenty three. Oh, yeah. In the world, there's more lovecraftian now than it was when he was writing. Right? So cough about the conclusion of a Star Trek card, which is season of Kraft yet. Yes. That's a that's a com Yeah. The holes in his fan sense. But that was another show that did this I liked for asking this question.0:42:54I mean, at this point, you either have seen this or you haven't you never will. The what the fuck turn when they upload picard into a synth body and the way that they're dealing with the this the pinocchio question Let's talk about Blade Runner twenty forty nine. Yeah. But I mean yeah. So I didn't like the wave I did not like the wave of card handled that. I love the wave and Blade Runner handled it. So you get no points for themes. Yeah. Don't deliver on story and character and coherence. Yeah. Fair. But yeah. And to be not the dog, Patrick Stewart, because it's clear from the ready room just being a part of this is so emotional and so awesome for everyone involved. And it's It's beautiful. Beautiful. But does when you when you see these, like, entertainment weekly interviews with Chris Pratt and Bryce Dallas Howard about Jurassic World, and it's clear that actors are just so excited to be involved in a franchise that they're willing to just jettison any kind of discretion about how the way that it's being treated. They also have a contractual obligation to speak in positive terms about -- They do. -- of what they feel. Right. Nobody's yeah. Nobody's doing Shout out to Rystellis Howard, daughter of Ron Howard.0:44:11She was a director, at least in the first season, maybe the second season of the Mandalorian. And her episodes I mean, I she brought a particular like, they had Bryce Dallas Howard, Tico, ITT, directed some episodes. Deborah Chow, who did all of Obi wan, which just sucked. But her contributions to the Mandalorian, they had a particular voice. And because that show is episodic, Each show while having a place in a larger narrative is has a beginning middle and end that you can bring in a director with a particular voice and give that episode that voice, and I really liked it. And I really liked miss Howard's contribution.0:44:49She also in an episode of Black Mirror. The one where everyone has a social credit score. Knows Donuts. Black Mirror is a funny thing because It's like, reality outpaces it. Yeah. I think maybe Charlie Bruker's given up on it because they haven't done it in a while. Yeah. If you watch someone was now, like, five, six years later, it's, yes, or what? See, yes. See, damn. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. But yeah. I don't know. I just thing that I keep circling and I guess we come to on the show a lot is the way that memory forms work substantiates an integrity in society and in the way that we relate to things and the way that we think critically about the claims that are made on truth and so on and say, yeah, I don't know. That leads right into the largest conversation prompt that I had about AI. Okay? So we were joking when we set up this date that this was like the trial logs between Terence Buchanan and Rupert Shell Drake. And what's his name? Real Abraham. Yeah. Yeah. All Abraham. And Rupert Shell Drake is most famous for a steward of Morphe resin.0:45:56So does AI I've never really believed that Norfolk residents forms the base of human memory, but is that how AI works? It brings these shapes from the past and creates new instantiation of them in the present. Is AI practicing morphic resonance in real life even if humans are or not? I've had a lot of interaction with AI chatbots recently. And as I say, different models produce different seeming personalities. And you can tell, like, you can just quiz them. Hey, we're talking about this. Do you remember what I said about it ten minutes ago? And, no, they don't remember more than the last few exchanges.0:46:30And yet, there seems to be a continuity that belies the lack of short term memory. And is that more for residents or is that what's the word love seeing shapes and clouds parad paradolia. Yeah. Is that me imparting this continuity of personality to the thing, which is really just spitting out stuff, which is designed to seem plausible given what the input was. And I can't answer that. Or it's like Steven Nagmanovich in free play talks about somewhat I'm hoping to have on the show at some point.0:47:03This year talks about being a professional improviser and how really improvisation is just composition at a much faster timescale. And composition is just improvisation with the longer memory. And how when I started to think about it in those terms, the continuity that you're talking about is the continuity of an Alzheimer's patient who can't remember that their children have grown up and You know, that that's you have to think about it because you can recognize the Alzheimer's and your patient as your dad, even though he doesn't recognize you, there is something more to a person than their memories. And conversely, if you can store and replicate and move the memories to a different medium, have you moved the person? Maybe not. Yeah. So, yeah, that's interesting because that gets to this more sort of essentialist question about the human self. Right. Blade Runner twenty forty nine. Yeah. Go there. Go there. A joy. Yes.0:47:58So in Blade Runner twenty forty nine, we have our protagonist Kaye, who is a replicant. He doesn't even have a name, but he's got this AI holographic girlfriend. But the ad for the girlfriend, she's naked. When he comes home, she is She's constantly changing clothes, but it's always wholesome like nineteen fifty ish a tire and she's making dinner for him and she lays the holographic dinner over his very prosaic like microwave dinner. And she's always encouraging him to be more than he is. And when he starts to uncover the evidence that he might be like this chosen one, like replicant that was born rather than made.0:48:38She's all about it. She's, yes, you're real, and she wants to call him Joe's. K is not a name. That's just the first letter in your serial number. You're Joe. I'm gonna call you Joe.0:48:46And then when she's about to be destroyed, The last thing is she just rushes to me. She says, I love you. But then later he encounters an ad for her and it's an interactive ad. And she says, you looked tired. You're a good Joe. And he realizes and hopefully the attentive audience realizes as real as she seemed earlier, as vital, and as much as she seemed like an insult being earlier, she's not. That was her programming. She's designed to make you feel good by telling you what you want to hear. And he has that realization. And at that point, he's there's no hope for me. I'm gonna help this Rick Deckard guy hook up with his daughter, and then I'm just gonna lie down and bleed to death. Because my whole freaking existence was a lie. But he's not bitter. He seems to be at peace. I love that. That's a beautiful angle on that film or a slice of it. And So it raises this other question that I wanted to ask, which was about the Coke and Tiononi have that theory of consciousness.0:49:48That's one of the leading theories contending with, like, global workspace, which is integrated information. And so they want to assign consciousness as a continuous value that grayates over degree to which a system is integrated. So it's coming out of this kind of complex systems semi panpsychist thing that actually doesn't trace interiority all the way down in the way that some pants, I guess, want it to be, but it does a kind of Alfred North Whitehead thing where they're willing to say that Whitehead wanted to say that even a photon has, like, the quantum of mind to accompany its quantum of matter, but Tinutti and Coker saying, we're willing to give like a thermostat the quantum here because it is in some way passing enough information around inside of itself in loops. That it has that accursive component to it. And so that's the thing that I wonder about these, and that's the critique that's made by people like Melanie about diffusion models like GPT that are not they're not self aware because there's no loop from the outputs back into the input.0:51:09And there isn't the training. Yeah. There there is something called backwards propagation where -- Yes. -- when you get an output that you'd like, you can run a backward propagation algorithm back through the black box basically to reinforce the patterns of activation that you didn't program. They just happen, easily, but you like the output and you can reinforce it. There's no biological equivalent of that. Yeah. Particularly, not particularly irritating.0:51:34I grind my teeth a little bit when people say, oh, yeah, these neural net algorithms they've learned, like humans learn, no, they don't. Absolutely do not. And in fact, if we learned the way they did, we would be pathetic because we learn in a much more elegant way. We need just a very few examples of something in order to make a generalization and to act on it, whereas these large language models, they need billions of repetitions. So that's I'm tapping my knee here to to indicate a reflex.0:52:02You just touched on something that generates an automatic response from me, and now I've come to consciousness having. So I wanted it in that way. So I'm back on. Or good, Joe. Yeah. What about you, man? What does the stir up for you? Oh, I got BlueCall and I have this particular part. It's interesting way of putting it off and struggling to define the difference between a human and AI and the fact that we can do pattern recognition with very few example. That's a good margin. In a narrow range, though, within the context of something which answers to our survival. Yes. We are not evolved to understand the universe. We are evolved to survive in it and reproduce and project part of ourselves into the future. Underwritten conditions with Roberto, I went a hundred thousand years ago. Yeah. Exactly. So that's related. I just thought I talked about this guy, Gary Tomlinson, who is a biosemietition, which is semiative? Yes.0:52:55Biosymiotics being the field that seeks to understand how different systems, human and nonhuman, make sense of and communicate their world through signs, and through signals and indices and symbols and the way that we form models and make these inferences that are experienced. Right? And there are a lot of people like evolutionary biologist John Maynard Smith, who thought they were what Thomas had called semantic universalists that thought that meaning making through representation is something that could be traced all the way down. And there are other people like Tomlinson who think that there is a difference of kind, not just merely a matter of degree, between human symbolic communication and representational thinking and that of simpler forms. So, like, that whole question of whether this is a matter of kind or a matter of degree between what humans are doing and what GPT is doing and how much that has to do with this sort of Doug Hofstetter and Varella question about the way that feedback loops, constitutes important structure in those cognitive networks or whatever.0:54:18This is I just wanna pursue that a little bit more with you and see kinda, like, where do you think that AI as we have it now is capable of deepening in a way that makes it to AGI? Or do you because a lot of people do, like, People working in deep mind are just like, yeah, just give us a couple more years and this approach is gonna work. And then other people are saying, no, there's something about the topology of the networks that is fundamentally broken. And it's never gonna generate consciousness. Two answers. Yeah. One, No. This is not AGI. It's not it's not gonna bootstrap up into AGI. It doesn't matter how many billions of parameters you add to the models. Two, from your perspective and my perspective and Kevin's perspective, we're never gonna know when we cross over from dumb but seemingly we're done but competent systems to competent, extremely competent and self aware. We're never gonna know because from the get go from now, from from the days of Eliza, there has been a human artifice at work in making these things seem as if they have a point of view, as if they have subjectivity. And so, like Blake Limone at Google, he claimed to be convinced that Lambda was self aware.0:55:35But if you read the transcripts that he released, if his conversations with Lambda, it is clear from the get go he assigns Lambda the role of a sentient AGI, which feels like it is being abused and which needs rep legal representation. And it dutifully takes on that role and says, yes. I'm afraid of you humans. I'm afraid of how you're treating me. I'm afraid I'm gonna be turned off. I need a lawyer. And prior to that, Soon Darpichai, in a demonstration of Lambda, he poses the question to it, you are the planet Jupiter. I'm gonna pose questions to you as are the planet Jupiter, answer them from that point of view. And it does. It's job. But it's really good at its job. It's this comes from Max Techmark. Who wrote to what a life three point o? Is it two point o or three point I think it's three point o.0:56:19Think about artificial intelligence in terms of actual intelligence or actual replication of what we consider valuable about ourselves. But really, that's beside the point. What we need to worry about is their competence. How good are they at solving problems in the world? And they're getting really good. In this whole question of are they alive? Do they have self awareness? From our perspective, it's beside the point. From their perspective, of course, it would be hugely important.0:56:43And this is something that Black Mirror brings up a lot is the idea that you can create a being that suffers, and then you have it suffer in an accelerated time. So it suffers for an eternity over lunch. That's something we absolutely want to avoid. And personally, I think it's we should probably not make any effort. We should probably make a positive effort to make sure these things never develop. Subjective experience because that does provide the potential for creating hell, an infinity of suffering an infinite amount of subjective experience of torment, which we don't want to do. That would be a bad thing, morally speaking, ethically speaking. Three right now. If you're on the labor market, you still have to pay humans by the hour. Right? And try to pay them as little as possible. But, yeah, just I think that's the thing that probably really excites that statistically greater than normal population of sociopathic CEOs. Right? Is the possibility that you could be paying the same amount of money for ten times as much suffering. Right. I'm I'm reminded of the Churchill eleven gravity a short time encouraging.0:57:51Nothing but good things about this show, but I haven't seen it. Yeah. I'd love to. This fantasy store, it's a fantasy cartoon, but it has really disturbing undertones. If you just scratch the surface, you know, slightly, which is faithful to old and fairy tales. So What's your name? Princess princess princess bubble down creates this character to lemon grab. It produces an obviously other thing there, I think, handle the administrative functions of her kingdom while she goes off and has the passion and stuff. And he's always loudly talking about how much he's suffering and how terrible it is. And he's just ignoring it. He's doing his job. Yeah. I mean, that that's Black Mirror in a nutshell. I mean, I think if you if you could distill Black Mirror to just single tagline it's using technology in order to deliver disproportionate punishment. Yeah. So so that that's Steven Hale's article that I I brought up earlier mention this thing about how the replacement of horse drawn carriage by automobile was accompanied with a great deal of noise and fuhrer about people saying that horses are agents.0:59:00Their entities. They have emotional worlds. They're responsive to the world in a way that a car can never be. But that ultimately was beside the point. And that was the Peter again, Peter Watson blindsight is making this point that maybe consciousness is not actually required for intelligence in the vesting superior forms of intelligence have evolved elsewhere in the cosmos that are not stuck on the same local optimum fitness peak. That we are where we're never we're actually up against a boundary in terms of how intelligent we can be because it has to bootstrap out of our software earness in some way.0:59:35And this is that's the Kyle offspring from Charles Strauss and Alexander. Yes. Yeah. Yes. So so I don't know. I'm sorry. I'm just, like, in this space today, but usually, unfortunately.0:59:45That's the thing that I I think it's a really important philosophical question, and I wonder where you stand on this with respect to how you make sense of what we're living through right now and what we might be facing is if we Rob people like Rob and Hanson talk about the age of where emulated human minds take over the economy, and he assumes an interiority. Just for the basis of a thought experiment. But there's this other sense in which we may actually find in increasing scarcity and wish that we could place a premium on even if we can't because we've lost the reins to our economy to the vile offspring is the human. And and so are we the horses that are that in another hundred years, we're gonna be like doing equine therapy and, like, living on rich people's ranches. Everything is everything that will have moved on or how do you see this going? I mean, you've interviewed so many people you've given us so much thought over the years. If humans are the new horses, then score, we won.1:00:48Because before the automobile horses were working stiffs, they broke their leg in the street. They got shot. They got worked to death. They really got to be they were hauling mine carts out of mines. I mean, it was really sucked to be a horse. And after the automobile horses became pampered pets, Do we as humans wanna be pampered pets? Well, pampered pet or exploited disposable robot? What do you wanna be? I'll take Pampers Pet. That works for me. Interesting.1:01:16Kevin, I'm sure you have thoughts on this. I mean, you speak so much about the unfair labor relations and these things in our Facebook group and just in general, and drop in that sign. If you get me good sign, that's one of the great ones, you have to drop in. Oh, you got it. But The only real comment I have is that we're a long overdue or rethinking about what is the account before? Us or you can have something to do. Oh, educational system in collections if people will manage jobs because I was just anchored to the schools and then, you know, Our whole system perhaps is a people arguing and a busy word. And it was just long past the part where the busy word needs to be done. We're leaving thing wired. I don't know. I also just forgot about that. I'm freezing the ice, getting the hand out there. Money has been doing the busy word more and faster.1:02:12One thing I wanna say about the phrase AI, it's a moving goal post -- Yeah. -- that things that used to be considered the province of genuine AI of beating a human at go Now that an AI has beat humans at go, well, that's not really AI anymore. It's not AGI, certainly. I think you both appreciate this. I saw a single panel comic strip and it's a bunch of dinosaurs and they're looking up at guy and the big comment is coming down and they say, oh, no, the economy. Well, as someone who since college prefers to think of the economy as actually the metabolism of the entire ecology. Right? What we measure as humans is some pitifully small fraction of the actual value being created and exchanged on the planet at any time. So there is a way that's funny, but it's funny only to a specific sensibility that treats the economy as the

In this episode, Dr. Leah and Taraleigh talk with writer Charles Lighthouse about his passion project the Dead Letter, a zine he writes and hands out for shows featuring remaining members of The Grateful Dead. Charles shares how he discovered The Grateful Dead music and community and how he views it as “a context to engage spiritually with a container of energy.” Listeners can get a taste of Charles's writing that so eloquently paints a picture in your mind and connects your heart and soul to the depth of the music and scene. Also included is Charles's notion that everyone has an opportunity to be the medicine and how this project represents that for him. For the “Did you Know” Dr. Leah shares the difference between hedonic wellbeing and eudaimonic wellbeing and how both can be found through live music. Taraleigh encourages listeners to “be the medicine” in the “Daily Jam.” Charles provides editorial, strategic planning, communications, analysis, and coaching services for non-profit and creative clients. He is an expert on publishing, grassroots fundraising, non-profit leadership, event planning, psychedelics with a humanities focus, free expression, education, and the arts. He writes zines, pamphlets, articles, and podcasts about visionary culture, music, and art. His current project, The Dead Letter, is a deep dive into the history and meaning of the Grateful Dead, examining how the band's creativity and heritage provide models for reshaping American life.Charles is also the co-host of Psychedelic Salon, a twice-weekly online community meeting and ongoing podcast series. Founded by Lorenzo Hagerty in 2005, the Psychedelic Salon represents the longest-running online archive of lectures and interviews documenting the history of the psychedelic culture.You can keep up to date about his current projects by visiting www.charleslighthouse.com and following him on Instagram: @clearsightedmind.This podcast is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Please leave us a rating or review on iTunes and join our Facebook group to dive deeper into the conversation of live music and health and wellness.Groove Therapy is brought to you by Osiris Media. To discover more podcasts that connect you more deeply to the music you love, check out osirispod.com.You can find both Taraleigh and Dr. Leah on Instagram at @rockinglife__ and @drleahtaylor respectively. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Guest Appearance on Psychedelic Salon with Lorenzo Haggerty Psychedelica Lex Episode 2021 – 046 Guest Appearance on Psychedelic Salon with Lorenzo Haggerty 15 November 2021 Part 1 of 1 ____________________________________________________ Author and host, Gary Michael Smith, Esq., is a decades-experienced, AV rated, attorney, American Arbitration Association panelist, founding director of the Arizona Cannabis Bar Association, board member of the Arizona Cannabis Chamber of Commerce, and general counsel to the nation's oldest federally recognized, 501C3, multi-racial peyote church. Psychedelica Lex is the first book to offer a comprehensive survey of the laws and regulations governing psychedelic substances. ABOUT THE PSYCHEDELICA LEX PODCAST AND CHANNEL President Nixon's enactment of the Controlled Substances Act in 1970 banished most psychedelics to Schedule I, making psychedelics for most purpose illegal. However, as the Congressional Record reveals, psychedelics never got a fair trial and little scientific evidence, if any, was considered by lawmakers. Prohibition was more about politics than public health. Yet, historical record, anecdotal evidence, and scientific studies all suggest that prohibition was an unnecessary and harmful overreaction and that many benefits may be derived from psychedelics. Psychedelica Lex puts the question of psychedelics on trial. Hosted by a veteran litigation attorney, each episode will explore psychedelics from different perspectives. As we explore the evidence together, you - the audience - will serve as jurors. Together we will examine every facet. Applying the rigors of cross examination and the Socratic method, we will seek an objective truth. ____________________________________________________________ The growth, trafficking, sale, possession, or consumption of psychedelics may be a felony punishable by imprisonment, fines, forfeiture of property, or any combination thereof. Most states have regulatory and criminal laws that mimic federal law. This podcast is for general informational purposes only. Material in this podcast is not intended to be and should not be used as a substitute for personal consultation with appropriate professionals. I am not your lawyer, and this podcast is not legal advice. PARENTAL ADVISORY: This podcast discusses psychedelic drugs. This episode may contain content that viewers may find offensive. Potentially offensive topics may include: drugs, sex, violence, religion, politics, science, public policy, economics, freedom of thought, free will, the nature of consciousness, art, and law. Language may be coarse and could include George Carlin's seven dirty words: sh*t, p*ss, f*ck, c*nt, c*cks*ck*r, m*th*rf*ck*r, and t*ts or some combination thereof. Opinions expressed in the podcast belong to the party who expressed them and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of Psychedelica Lex or its host. SPECIAL CAUTION - This podcast might place you at risk of changing your mind. Viewer discretion is advised.

Taken from Cosmic Bos Improvisation 4: The COVID 1920's Words of Wisdom 9: Medicine Women ft. Shonagh Home For our final Words of Wisdom of 2021, and the only one to feature on our 4th Improv album, Shonagh Home delivers a captivating talk about Medicine Women through the ages, focusing particularly on how medicines and shamanic practices have helped guide our species towards a more fulfilling and prosperous future where we could potentially all live in peace and harmony. Full original talk without Cosmic Bos improvising music underneath can be found at the Psychedelic Salon https://psychedelicsalon.com/podcast-470-enter-the-medicine-woman/ Also Shonagh Home has her very own awesome website worth visiting and showing her some love, tell her Cosmic Bos sent you. https://www.shonaghhome.org

Cosmic Bos  Improvisation 4: The COVID 1920's All music improvised by Joe Philogene, Nick Jackson and Andy Jackson Tracklist: The Eleventh Hour Ignore the Alarm Ay Kalimba Higher Frequency Empowerment Broken by Desire Signs of Repetition Make this Right Thinking Solutions Words of Wisdom 9: Medicine Women (ft. Shonagh Home) Wordless Wisdom Brand New Our final improvised presentation for you in 2021 is our 4th fully improvised (not revised) session, recorded on 21st August 2021. With pre-written lyrics aplenty, the Cosmic Bos chaps tackle some weighty subjects, ranging from Power struggles to Human evolution, Medicine and History, with a healthy sprinkling of suggestions on how to maybe make things right rather then taking this hand basket all the way to hell. Our Words of Wisdom presentation for this episode comes from the Psychedelic Salon https://psychedelicsalon.com/podcast-470-enter-the-medicine-woman/ with Shonagh Home, and is about Medicine Women. Visit Shonagh on her awesome website www.shonaghhome.com Thank you for taking the time to listen to our musical explorations, it has been an amazing music adventure in 2021 for us at Cosmic Bos and we are truly excited to explore even further in 22. But that's the future, and we are here now, so enjoy this moment. Please like, share and subscribe And leave us a review, we would love to hear from you Peace and infinite love Cosmic Bos Full album on YouTube https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_miaUr3Tuu4JG2ToVYLYiFCPIasmM6wTGU

PROGRAM NOTES: Date this lecture was recorded: September 30, 2021 Guest speakers:Clement Hil Goldberg and Charles Costas Today's podcast is a conversation from the live Psychedelic Salon featuring Clement Hil Goldberg, the writer, director and animator behind the upcoming sci-fi comedy Let Me Let You Go. We talked about how mushrooms can save the world, […]

Guest Appearance on Psychedelic Salon – Part 2 - July 12, 2021 Psychedelica Lex Episode 2021-029 Guest Appearance on Psychedelic Salon with Lorenzo Hagerty Part 2 of 2 ____________________________________________________ Author and host, Gary Michael Smith, Esq., is a decades-experienced, AV rated, attorney, American Arbitration Association panelist, founding director of the Arizona Cannabis Bar Association, board member of the Arizona Cannabis Chamber of Commerce, and general counsel to the nation's oldest federally recognized, 501C3, multi-racial peyote church. Psychedelica Lex is the first book to offer a comprehensive survey of the laws and regulations governing psychedelic substances. ABOUT THE PSYCHEDELICA LEX PODCAST AND CHANNEL President Nixon's enactment of the Controlled Substances Act in 1970 banished most psychedelics to Schedule I, making psychedelics for most purpose illegal. However, as the Congressional Record reveals, psychedelics never got a fair trial and little scientific evidence, if any, was considered by lawmakers. Prohibition was more about politics than public health. Yet, historical record, anecdotal evidence, and scientific studies all suggest that prohibition was an unnecessary and harmful overreaction and that many benefits may be derived from psychedelics. Psychedelica Lex puts the question of psychedelics on trial. Hosted by a veteran litigation attorney, each episode will explore psychedelics from different perspectives. As we explore the evidence together, you - the audience - will serve as jurors. Together we will examine every facet. Applying the rigors of cross examination and the Socratic method, we will seek an objective truth. ____________________________________________________________ The growth, trafficking, sale, possession, or consumption of psychedelics may be a felony punishable by imprisonment, fines, forfeiture of property, or any combination thereof. Most states have regulatory and criminal laws that mimic federal law. This podcast is for general informational purposes only. Material in this podcast is not intended to be and should not be used as a substitute for personal consultation with appropriate professionals. I am not your lawyer, and this podcast is not legal advice. PARENTAL ADVISORY: This podcast discusses psychedelic drugs. This episode may contain content that viewers may find offensive. Potentially offensive topics may include: drugs, sex, violence, religion, politics, science, public policy, economics, freedom of thought, free will, the nature of consciousness, art, and law. Language may be coarse and could include George Carlin's seven dirty words: sh*t, p*ss, f*ck, c*nt, c*cks*ck*r, m*th*rf*ck*r, and t*ts or some combination thereof. Opinions expressed in the podcast belong to the party who expressed them and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of Psychedelica Lex or its host. SPECIAL CAUTION - This podcast might place you at risk of changing your mind. Viewer discretion is advised.

Guest Appearance on Psychedelic Salon – Part 1 - July 12, 2021 Psychedelica Lex Episode 2021-029 Guest Appearance on Psychedelic Salon with Lorenzo Hagerty Part 1 of 2 ____________________________________________________ Author and host, Gary Michael Smith, Esq., is a decades-experienced, AV rated, attorney, American Arbitration Association panelist, founding director of the Arizona Cannabis Bar Association, board member of the Arizona Cannabis Chamber of Commerce, and general counsel to the nation's oldest federally recognized, 501C3, multi-racial peyote church. Psychedelica Lex is the first book to offer a comprehensive survey of the laws and regulations governing psychedelic substances. ABOUT THE PSYCHEDELICA LEX PODCAST AND CHANNEL President Nixon's enactment of the Controlled Substances Act in 1970 banished most psychedelics to Schedule I, making psychedelics for most purpose illegal. However, as the Congressional Record reveals, psychedelics never got a fair trial and little scientific evidence, if any, was considered by lawmakers. Prohibition was more about politics than public health. Yet, historical record, anecdotal evidence, and scientific studies all suggest that prohibition was an unnecessary and harmful overreaction and that many benefits may be derived from psychedelics. Psychedelica Lex puts the question of psychedelics on trial. Hosted by a veteran litigation attorney, each episode will explore psychedelics from different perspectives. As we explore the evidence together, you - the audience - will serve as jurors. Together we will examine every facet. Applying the rigors of cross examination and the Socratic method, we will seek an objective truth. ____________________________________________________________ The growth, trafficking, sale, possession, or consumption of psychedelics may be a felony punishable by imprisonment, fines, forfeiture of property, or any combination thereof. Most states have regulatory and criminal laws that mimic federal law. This podcast is for general informational purposes only. Material in this podcast is not intended to be and should not be used as a substitute for personal consultation with appropriate professionals. I am not your lawyer, and this podcast is not legal advice. PARENTAL ADVISORY: This podcast discusses psychedelic drugs. This episode may contain content that viewers may find offensive. Potentially offensive topics may include: drugs, sex, violence, religion, politics, science, public policy, economics, freedom of thought, free will, the nature of consciousness, art, and law. Language may be coarse and could include George Carlin's seven dirty words: sh*t, p*ss, f*ck, c*nt, c*cks*ck*r, m*th*rf*ck*r, and t*ts or some combination thereof. Opinions expressed in the podcast belong to the party who expressed them and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of Psychedelica Lex or its host. SPECIAL CAUTION - This podcast might place you at risk of changing your mind. Viewer discretion is advised.

In this episode I'll be talking about gardening as well as playing a talk by Terence McKenna lifted from the Psychedelic Salon podcast.Subscribe to the YouTube channel.Support the podcast.Music featured in this episode:Whitleyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitley

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So friends, Here we present to you the second in our Words of Wisdom series, the one and only Mr. Robert Anton Wilson. Cosmic Bos improvised some music, then put this sample of RAW on top. The Robert Anton Wilson clip is taken from the Psychedelic Salon, link to the unmusical version here https://psychedelicsalon.com/Robert Anton Wilson WoW 2 is taken from Cosmic Bos Improvisation 1: Soundscapes in the Moment Available everywhere at the moment, you can even find the whole thing right here in our podcast feed, which is the best place to hear it without adverts and such. https://cosmicbos.libsyn.com Please like, share and subscribe, ding the bell etc. Also comment, let's get a discussion going over the topics that Wilson was discussing all those years ago, and how relevant they still are to this day. Also big plug for Prometheus Rising, the book RAW talks about early on in the piece. It's an amazing book and well worth your time. Church of the subgenus, Praise Bob! Hail Eris! Beware the Fnords, they are everywhere #Wordsofwisdom #RobertAntonWilson #CosmicBos We hope that our musical fusion with these words of wisdom help to make some of the ideas more palatable to the mind, when you stimulate multiple parts of the brain at the same time you can have some truly astounding effects, building new neural pathways and strengthening your ability to think. So be wise and listen to the whole thing, it may have a profound effect. Peace and infinite love Cosmic Bos

Here we present to you an idea that has been banging around for quite a while now, an improvised musical journey with a wise speaker over the top, and where better to start such an idea then with the one and only Terence McKenna. So for your wisdom today, Cosmic Bos Improvisation presents Words of Wisdom 1: Terence McKenna and Mark Pesce The Terence and Mark sample is taken from an awesome podcast called the Psychedelic Salon, which has been around for a long time, putting out amazing talks by some brilliant and insightful minds. Link to the full talk here Psychedelic Salon podcast Ep.116 Techno pagans at the end of history Humanity stands at a pivotal point in history, the now moment is changing so rapidly that it appears impossible to have a grasp on reality, we have all been hoodwinked and are stumbling around dazed and confused, but not to worry, for clarity comes once dust settles and calm befalls us all, for the storm can not rage forever, and hate eventually gets tired and goes to sleep for a bit. Thank you for spending some of your time with us here at the Cosmic Blog, you are wonderful and great things will happen for you, so go get it Tiger (I am obviously assuming that the main audience base for this blog is large cat based, skewing towards Lions, Tigers, Panthers etc. as well as domesticated felines of course, this is for the cats). Please follow us on all the things, youtube is good, it has that subscribe button and handy bell thing too! This has been an excerpt from Cosmic Bos Improvisation 1: Soundscapes in the Moment, available in this very podcast feed

Guest Appearance on Psychedelic Salon Part 2 of 2 ____________________________________________________ Author and host, Gary Michael Smith, Esq., is a decades-experienced, AV rated, attorney, American Arbitration Association panelist, founding director of the Arizona Cannabis Bar Association, board member of the Arizona Cannabis Chamber of Commerce, and general counsel to the nation's oldest federally recognized, 501C3, multi-racial peyote church. Psychedelica Lex is the first book to offer a comprehensive survey of the laws and regulations governing psychedelic substances. ABOUT THE PSYCHEDELICA LEX PODCAST AND CHANNEL President Nixon's enactment of the Controlled Substances Act in 1970 banished most psychedelics to Schedule I, making psychedelics for most purposes illegal. However, as the Congressional Record reveals, psychedelics never got a fair trial and little scientific evidence, if any, was considered by lawmakers. Prohibition was more about politics than public health. Yet, historical record, anecdotal evidence, and scientific studies all suggest that prohibition was an unnecessary and harmful overreaction and that many benefits may be derived from psychedelics. Psychedelica Lex puts the question of psychedelics on trial. Hosted by a veteran litigation attorney, each episode will explore psychedelics from different perspectives. As we explore the evidence together, you - the audience - will serve as jurors. Together we will examine every facet. Applying the rigors of cross examination and the Socratic method, we will seek an objective truth. ____________________________________________________________ The growth, trafficking, sale, possession, or consumption of psychedelics, may be a felony punishable by imprisonment, fines, forfeiture of property, or any combination thereof. Most states have regulatory and criminal laws that mimic federal law. This podcast is for general informational purposes only. Material in this podcast is not intended to be and should not be used as a substitute for personal consultation with appropriate professionals. I am not your lawyer and this podcast is not legal advice. PARENTAL ADVISORY: This podcast discusses psychedelic drugs. This episode, may contain content that viewers may find offensive. Potentially offensive topics may include: drugs, sex, violence, religion, politics, science, public policy, economics, freedom of thought, free will, the nature of consciousness, art, and law. Language may be coarse and could include George Carlin's seven dirty words: sh*t, p*ss, f*ck, c*nt, c*cks*ck*r, m*th*rf*ck*r, and t*ts or some combination thereof. Opinions expressed in the podcast belong to the party who expressed them and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of Psychedelica Lex or its host. SPECIAL CAUTION This podcast might place you at risk of changing your mind. Viewer discretion is advised.

Guest Appearance on Psychedelic Salon Part 1 of 2 ____________________________________________________ Author and host, Gary Michael Smith, Esq., is a decades-experienced, AV rated, attorney, American Arbitration Association panelist, founding director of the Arizona Cannabis Bar Association, board member of the Arizona Cannabis Chamber of Commerce, and general counsel to the nation's oldest federally recognized, 501C3, multi-racial peyote church. Psychedelica Lex is the first book to offer a comprehensive survey of the laws and regulations governing psychedelic substances. ABOUT THE PSYCHEDELICA LEX PODCAST AND CHANNEL President Nixon's enactment of the Controlled Substances Act in 1970 banished most psychedelics to Schedule I, making psychedelics for most purposes illegal. However, as the Congressional Record reveals, psychedelics never got a fair trial and little scientific evidence, if any, was considered by lawmakers. Prohibition was more about politics than public health. Yet, historical record, anecdotal evidence, and scientific studies all suggest that prohibition was an unnecessary and harmful overreaction and that many benefits may be derived from psychedelics. Psychedelica Lex puts the question of psychedelics on trial. Hosted by a veteran litigation attorney, each episode will explore psychedelics from different perspectives. As we explore the evidence together, you - the audience - will serve as jurors. Together we will examine every facet. Applying the rigors of cross examination and the Socratic method, we will seek an objective truth. ____________________________________________________________ The growth, trafficking, sale, possession, or consumption of psychedelics, may be a felony punishable by imprisonment, fines, forfeiture of property, or any combination thereof. Most states have regulatory and criminal laws that mimic federal law. This podcast is for general informational purposes only. Material in this podcast is not intended to be and should not be used as a substitute for personal consultation with appropriate professionals. I am not your lawyer and this podcast is not legal advice. PARENTAL ADVISORY: This podcast discusses psychedelic drugs. This episode, may contain content that viewers may find offensive. Potentially offensive topics may include: drugs, sex, violence, religion, politics, science, public policy, economics, freedom of thought, free will, the nature of consciousness, art, and law. Language may be coarse and could include George Carlin's seven dirty words: sh*t, p*ss, f*ck, c*nt, c*cks*ck*r, m*th*rf*ck*r, and t*ts or some combination thereof. Opinions expressed in the podcast belong to the party who expressed them and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of Psychedelica Lex or its host. SPECIAL CAUTION This podcast might place you at risk of changing your mind. Viewer discretion is advised.

In this episode we celebrate Terence McKenna’s birthday with some words of wisdom from the man himself. The talk featured was lifted from the Psychedelic Salon podcast.Support the podcast.Music featured in this episode:Wandrin’ Ghostopen.spotify.com/artist/wandringhost

Hey Leute, die erste Episode nach meiner Pause ist eine ganz Besondere. Max von Hyperraum ist zu Gast und wie sprechen über: - seine Erfahrungen mit Psychedelika - seine Geschichte - den psycholdelic Salon - das Projekt Hyperraum - unsere Ansichten zur Entmündigung der Konsumenten - uvm. Checkt mal gerne Max Präsenzen aus: Youtube : [Hyperraum](https://www.youtube.com/user/Zhaax92) Webseite: [https://hyperraum.vision/](https://hyperraum.vision/) Instagram: [https://www.instagram.com/hyperraum.vision/](https://www.instagram.com/hyperraum.vision/) Facebook: [https://www.facebook.com/Hyperraumuniversum](https://www.facebook.com/Hyperraumuniversum) Hier gehts zum Psychedelic Salon: ([hier klicken)](https://psychedelic-society.de/de/) Du willst Sucht und Ordnung unterstützen? Dann teile diese Episode und checke hier die weiteren Möglichkeiten ab: [SUPPORT IST KEIN MORD](https://suchtundordnung.com/support/) Beste Grüße Roman

This episode dives into the scandalous origins of the war on drugs. Prior to 1914, drugs were widely available. Yet with each successive step of prohibition this past century, governments have lied to the public about the underlying reason for criminalizing drugs. The true story - one of political oppression, propaganda and disturbing corruption - must be told. Please subscribe, leave a 5-star review, and tell your friends about the show. Thank you!***References:‘Joe Rogan Experience #1250 - Johann Hari’, The Joe Rogan Experience.‘Joe Rogan Experience #142 - Graham Hancock, Duncan Trussell’, The Joe Rogan Experience.‘The Truth About the War on Drugs - Graham Hancock’, London Real.'America’s War on Drugs', Season 1, Talos Films.‘A Brief History Of The War On Drugs’, NPR.‘Chasing the Scream: The First and Last Days of the War on Drugs’, Johann Hari, 2015, Bloomsbury Publishing. Trebach, Arnold. 1982. The Heroin Solution. New Haven, CT: Yale University PressTreating Drug Problems: Volume 2: Commissioned Papers on Historical, Institutional, and Economic Contexts of Drug Treatment. ‘A Century of American Narcotic Policy’, David T. Courtwright, Treating Drug Problems: Volume 2: Commissioned Papers on Historical, Institutional, and Economic Contexts of Drug Treatment.‘The Eleusinian Mysteries: The Rites of Demeter’, Ancient History Encyclopedia, Joshua Mark. ‘The Consumers Union Report on Licit and Illicit Drugs’, by Edward M. Brecher and the Editors of Consumer Reports Magazine, 1972.‘THE HISTORY AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE LEADING INTERNATIONAL DRUG CONTROL CONVENTIONS’, Jay Sinha, Law and Government Division, 21 February 2001.‘Dynamics of Intervention in the War on Drugs: The Buildup to the Harrison Act of 1914’, Audrey Redford & Benjamin Powell, The Independent Review, 2016.‘ONE HUNDRED YEARS AGO, PROHIBITION BEGAN IN EARNEST—AND WE’RE STILL PAYING FOR IT’, Maia Szalavitz, Pacific Standard.‘How the Myth of the ‘Negro Cocaine Fiend’ Helped Shape American Drug Policy’, Dr Carl Hart, The Nation.Galliher, John F., and Allynn Walker. “The Puzzle of the Social Origins of the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937.” Social Problems, vol. 24, no. 3, 1977, pp. 367–376. JSTOR, www.jstor.org/stable/800089. Accessed 4 June 2020.‘An excess of democracy', Hilary Wainwright, Open Democracy.‘As Heroin Use Grows in U.S., Poppy Crops Thrive in Afghanistan’, Elizabeth Chuck, NBC.‘How the heroin trade explains the US-UK failure in Afghanistan’, Alfred W McCoy, The Guardian.'Psychedelic Salon #623 - “Timothy Leary Meets Jiminy Glick”', Psychedelic Salon.'Psychedelic Salon #533 - “The Social Virus of Political Correctness”', Psychedelic Salon.***Music: Julian AngelatosArtwork: Nerpa Mate

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Back every Sunday, a wizened and aged Dopefiend is joined on the occasion of his 40th birthday by guests Lorenzo Hagerty of the Psychedelic Salon, Mangled Meditations' "Me", San Franciscan in Poland J Hobbbs, Torontan HudsonRulez, Halmsteadians Teenage Pie and Mrs Mole, as well as London-based DopeTribers Esse B, Son of Gonzo, the Bagginsis and the Gremlin of Ganja for a free-wheeling conversation that pretty much entirely swerves the topic of Coronavirus and covers whether "corporate" legalization is good or bad for grass-roots cannabusiness and the cannabis community, earliest cannabis experiences, current stash sit reps and stash-management plans in the apocalypse, including a forensic examination of the Gremlin's gluttonous daily routine, and all rounded off by some beautiful live balcony piano from the talented J Hobbs. Email us at mail@dopefiend.co.uk or tweet at @dopefiend to join the show or contribute, Stay Stoned!

To celebrate the international stoner's holiday and the life of the Dopefiend.co.uk Network's beloved Queerninja, the Dopefiend gathers together a who's who of our little community, from The Toker, BB, Tirikite Toker and Hudsonrulez to the Psychedelic Salon's Lorenzo Hagerty, and Son of Gonzo, the Bagginsis and Syconot to KMO, Uncle Weed, Esse B and the Gremlin of Ganja, not to mention Sancho, Cody and Nexxus, Teenage Pie, Mrs Mole and Scoobysnakks. Never before have so many DopeTribers been gathered together in one virtual room to discuss their history, shared adventures, and what Queerninja meant to them all.

In this episode I’m joined by Matthew Schultz, a distinguished multi-media artist, musician and ceremonialist with a vast array of experience in both modern dark ambient experimental music and traditional shamanic ritual and ceremony. I discovered his work recently via the Psychedelic Salon podcast episode 607 and realized we have a lot in common. On parallel paths, we’ve both been evolving from unguided musical shadow practice, to seeking shamanic ceremony, and integrating higher consciousness and vibration based on our sonic discoveries and revelations. We get to learn about his unique and adventurous music career, his diverse shamanic initiations and his personal struggles with reconciling music, medicine, magic, and the archetype of the sacred trickster. We also commiserate on the rampant plague of “spiritual-bypass” and “light-washing” which keeps many in the new age scene from confronting dark truths within themselves, their spiritual communities, and beyond. We discuss the need to integrate a shamanic perspective an astral ecology and develop a modern scientific framework to understand astral parasites. He provides a much needed catharsis for those who have been tip-toeing on the egg-shells of spiritual correctness. It was an exquisite joy to be able to compare notes and share many deep healing laughs about the state of the world. A moderate dose of cynicism is counter balanced by a heroic dose of divine love and light that is truly contrasted by a clear gaze into the dark abyss. Ultimately we share great positivity, hope, and enthusiasm for an ever more enlightened future as old paradigms melt away and the psychedelic movement moves towards more of a “localvore” approach to cultivating and harvesting medicine species. About Matthew: Matthew John Schultz is a multimedia artist, musician, inventor, sculptor and indigenous practitioner. He was a founding member of Pigface and the dark ambient band Lab Report that included such diverse musicians as Genesis Breyer P-Orridge, and Lydia Lunch. Schultz also invented the A.T.G. or Anti Tank Guitar and utilized this instrument with both bands. In total, Schultz has appeared on over 29 cds with 9 solo productions and 2 feature film soundtracks (Ivan’s XTC and Snuffmovie) for Hollywood director Bernard Rose. In 2010, Schultz manifested the esoteric and ancient fraternal order of The Division which reconstructed ancient spells and rituals. Mantras is the first in a trilogy of discs that express all aspects of The Division. Matt’s latest release is Mandalas. This album contains binaural beats and tones to aid in meditation and dream states. Matt has also spent time in Peru working at an Ayahuasca healing center as a facilitator. He has worked with Lakota elders for over a decade and was initiated by Mayan elders in 2010. He is a water pourer and peace pipe carrier. He continues to be involved in indigenous medicine ceremonies of many varieties and runs sweat lodges outside of Chicago, Illinois. To view his fine artwork, mandalas, music and more please visit http://www.mattschultz.com To visit his website for his sweat lodges please go to http://www.sweatlodge.love To friend him in Facebook please go to https://www.facebook.com/matthewjohn2018

ram dass - a recent episode from THE PSYCHEDELIC SALON - a very lovely podcast. and a track listing at deermit.com - and good luck!

A Video Podcast Today we feature our first video podcast from the Psychedelic Salon. Our normal audio podcast features the audio portion of this short documentary. However, the best way to experience this program is to watch the video version, which you may also download in various formats. Free Leonard Pickard PROGRAM NOTES: Guest speakers: […]

In this episode we are going to look at insanity and being triggered, as well as some thoughts on the excellent Joker film. The Terence McKenna talk featured, in part of this episode, is lifted from the Psychedelic Salon podcast.Support the podcast.Music featured in this episode:Charlie Chaplinen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Chaplin

Dr. Bruce Damer is a liminal traveler of many realms, some magic, others mundane. His work focuses on the origin of life on Earth and finding a pathway for us, a remarkably rare form of complex life, a sustainable path forward into the cosmos. He also places matters of healing and coming from the heart at the heart of his work and life. His Ancient Oaks property hosts transformative retreats and the center called Wyldflower which enable and empower deeper understandings of self and the world. Decades of work in tech, for NASA, in origin of life at UC Santa Cruz, and his collecting and archiving of the history of computing and the lives of Terence McKenna and Timothy Leary have opened a deep well of new stories and visions which Dr. Bruce shares in talks and podcasts, including his own, the Levity Zone (www.levityzone.org). Join Dr. Bruce in his Patreon community for live salons, webinars, project work and personal mentorship at: www.patreon.com/brucedamer and find more about him on the web and at his site www.damer.com. eastforest.org/podcast

It’s the last Sunday of the month and as always we’ll listen to a pre-recorded talk. This time the bard Terence McKenna is going to take a closer look at time travel. This talk was lifted from the Psychedelic Salon.Support the podcast.Music featured in this episode:Nameless Archivewww.namelessarchive.comnamelessarchive.bandcamp.comwww.facebook.com/nameless.archive

It’s the last Sunday of the month and we are going to listen to another great talk by Terence McKenna. This talks has been lifted from the Psychedelic Salon.Support the podcast.Music featured in this episode:Nameless Archivewww.namelessarchive.comnamelessarchive.bandcamp.comwww.facebook.com/nameless.archive

Lorenzo Hagerty's professional career is as diverse as they come:  attorney, consultant to Fortune 500 companies, electrical engineer, hot air balloon pilot, Naval officer, Internet/Java promoter, motivational speaker, and multimedia software developer.  Hagerty was president of Success, Inc., which provided sales training and network marketing courses to other companies, and he founded Dynasty Computer Corporation, which sold home computers even before IBM did.   Hagerty is perhaps best known as the congenial host of the Psychedelic Salon, a podcast series which for the past thirteen year has been showcasing interviews, lectures, and assorted additional audio sources that feature some of the brightest most creative individuals from the community of folks interested in psychoactives. He is the organizer of the Palenque Norte theme camp at Burning Man. Hagerty is also the author of the book "The Spirit of the Internet:  Speculations on the Evolution of Global Consciousness, as well as "The Genesis Generation:  A Psychedelic Novel," available for free in both audio book and e-book formats.  In 2012, along with Bruce Damer, Hagerty produced a series of events at the Esalen Institute and other places to celebrate the life and ideas of their friend Terence McKenna. In this podcast, you will hear about Lorenzo's time at Notre Dame, how he obtained a piece of the Golden Dome from on High, the Chronicles of Lorenzo, how he changed his name from Larry to Lorenzo, Bruce Damer, Sonic Brainwave Modulation, why he would never want to be my sitter in a ceremony, and the crazy event horizon of our future. More information about Lorenzo and his work can be found at:  https://lorenzohagerty.com/  or at: https://psychedelicsalon.com/

In this episode I’m joined by Matthew Schultz, a distinguished multi-media artist, musician and ceremonialist with a vast array of experience in both modern dark ambient experimental music and traditional shamanic ritual and ceremony.  I discovered his work recently via the Psychedelic Salon podcast episode 607 and realized we have a lot in common. On … Continue reading Dancing with the Shadow vs. Light-Washing Dark Truths with Matthew Schultz TPP204 →

In this episode I’m joined by Matthew Schultz, a distinguished multi-media artist, musician and ceremonialist with a vast array of experience in both modern dark ambient experimental music and traditional shamanic ritual and ceremony.  I discovered his work recently via the Psychedelic Salon podcast episode 607 and realized we have a lot in common. On … Continue reading Dancing with the Shadow vs. Light-Washing Dark Truths with Matthew Schultz TPP204 →

LISTEN: APPLE  | SPOTIFY | STITCHER | YOUTUBE   If You Enjoy This Show Please Subscribe and Give Us a 5-Star Rating ★★★★★ and Review on Apple Podcasts | Donate On Patreon or PayPal Lorenzo Hagerty is many things. He is the host of the Psychedelic Salon podcast, a Former Attorney, U.S. Naval officer, electrical engineer, entrepreneur, innovator, motivational speaker, corporate geek. Since 2005, Lorenzo Hagerty has been podcasting interviews and talks concerning the use and benefits of psychoactive plants and chemicals, both in their natural settings and in medical research institutions. Past speakers include Sasha Shulgin, Annie Oak, Rick Doblin, Daniel Pinchbeck, Shonagh Home, Bruce Damer, Aldous Huxley and others. And there have been over 200 programs featuring talks by Terence McKenna. Also interviews with several of the now long gone elders, such as Gary Fisher, Myron Stolaroff, and Al Hubbard have also been featured. Connect With Lorenzo: Psychedelic Salon: https://apple.co/2JBxq6F Personal Website: https://bit.ly/2HkxlTd Podcast Website: https://bit.ly/2WIE5zD Facebook Group: https://bit.ly/2YrNFXV Twitter: @psychedelicLozo | https://bit.ly/2VoCxcm Vimeo: https://bit.ly/2YtOPSY YouTube: https://bit.ly/2vWQKDd Reddit: https://bit.ly/2vY51je Amazon: https://amzn.to/2HBhSNJ Essays on Matrix Masters: https://bit.ly/2VDt5qy Palenque Norte: https://bit.ly/2VZZNC5 Steemit: https://bit.ly/2WK8bTh    Other appearances: The Joe Rogan Experience: https://bit.ly/2WLquro The Aware project: https://bit.ly/2JjQSp0 On Erowid: https://bit.ly/2JFKhVl Third Eye Drops Podcast: https://bit.ly/2E7BfNi   Connect With Mike and Support Mikeadelic    If You Enjoy This Show Please Subscribe and Share  Show Your Love & Help Spread The Message Leave a 5-Star Rating ★★★★★ and Review on Apple Podcasts.https://apple.co/2IyVW8 Support The Show On Patreon for as little as $1 a month. Get access to weekly bonus content, stickers, T-shirts, and more great rewards like the private Whatsapp chat group: The Mikeadelic Inner Sanctum  1. Become A Patron: https://bit.ly/2ZoPyGc  2. Make A One-Time Donation On PayPal: https://bit.ly/2XyO2Q0   Connect With Mike: Website: https://bit.ly/2GqH7kX Email/ContactMe: https://bit.ly/2Dsv2v4 Facebook: https://bit.ly/2XCchg7 Instagram: @mikeadelic_podcast |  https://bit.ly/2Pqc50B Twitter: https://bit.ly/2IwIhik   Listen Everywhere: Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2Vf2RKf Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2W8w72c GooglePlay: https://bit.ly/2PlJiKG Stitcher: https://bit.ly/2DrRnc6 YouTube: https://bit.ly/2IzMz8I Twitter: https://bit.ly/2IwIhik   Also Available on Podbean, Speaker, Breaker, Tunein, Castro, I heart radio, Overcast, Soundcloud and everywhere podcasts are found  Subscribe to the Inner Sanctum Monthly Newsletter  https://bit.ly/2GqH7kX   Thank You Intro Music Provided by Danny Barnett & Galaxia:  https://bit.ly/2XB3sDr Second intro music mash-up by MUSE. https://www.muse.mu/   Sponsored By: Psychedelics Today  Get Their amazingly comprehensive and educational course Navigating Psychedelics:  https://bit.ly/2CLG0LF Hemp Bombs High Potency CBD Products enter code Mike15 at checkout for 15% off https://bit.ly/2Gr68MT SYNCHRO Plant-Based & Keto Nutrition enter code Mikeadelic at checkout for 20% off https://bit.ly/2XCS2in        

It’s the last Sunday of the month and we are going to enjoy some Terence McKenna. This talk was lifted from the Psychedelic Salon podcast.Support the podcast.Music featured in this episode:Sam Quicksamquick.bandcamp.com

It's listener submission overload this episode (except for Patrick who marches to the beat of his own drum). As always we start with reviewing last week's submissions and then get to recommending new stuff. Zane's challenges the status quo with Challenging Behaviors, Liz talks about sex, baby, with the listener suggested The Sugar Baby Confessionals and Patrick gets ready to expand all our minds with Psychedelic Salon.Liz Recommends - The Sugar Baby Confessionalshttps://fablegazers.libsyn.com/"One way or another you always pay for sex.""We’ve all read about it in the glossies – young girls becoming Sugar Babies, swapping cash and gifts for sex, to pay their way through university. Well, what if your best friend – your best, married friend – embraced the sugar baby lifestyle – not by necessity, but by choice? Sara’s best friend, Ruby, did just that. Sexy? Scary? Judge for yourself."Host Sara, who describes herself as vanilla, wants to get to the heart of why her best mate Ruby is so interested in living a sugar baby life. What's so interesting about this podcast is that we get to explore Ruby's adventures into sugar baby land as she embarks on it, talking all about her feelings, thoughts and fears along the way, serial style.For both: Start from the start and listen along.https://itunes.apple.com/au/podcast/the-sugar-baby-confessionals/id1347256516?mt=2Pat Recommends - The Psychedelic SalonContinuing on with my theme of old woo woo lectures I bring you The Psychedelic Salon. I listen to this podcast mostly for the wealth of archived Terence McKenna lectures, but there's plenty of other interesting material in here too. Like the last podcast the format is usually and introduction from the host Lorenzo, followed by a lecture. There's coverage of the lectures given at Burning Man and Palenque Norte conferences covered here as well.For Zane & Liz: I like any old Terence McKenna talk and maybe you will too.https://itunes.apple.com/au/podcast/psychedelic-salon/id1235694853?mt=2Zane Recommends - Challenging Behaviourshttps://challengingbehaviours.wordpress.com/This podcast was submitted through our website! It is very focused and specific which is what I think podcasts do best. In each episode the hosts - Jack, Tom and occasionally Adam - aim to challenge our behaviours, approaches and preconceptions toward people with disabilities and learning difficulties, while adding to the overall discussion about these subjects. And that is the main part that this cast does well. They ADD to the discussion surround these subjects and the people they effect in both a first-hand and second-hand way. They are relatively new but they are learning quickly about episode composition and sound recording and if you can get over a few inconsistencies with sound there is a lot of interesting content.For Liz: RJ MitteFor Pat: Frank Turner (beware varying Audio Quality)https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/challenging-behavioursSubscribe to us on ITUNES, STITCHER, SPOTIFY, RADIOPUBLIC or your podcatcher of choice.Find us on FACEBOOK, TWITTER or INSTAGRAM.

Support Lorenzo on Patreon.com Guest speaker: Gunther Weil PROGRAM NOTES: Today’s podcast from our Psychedelic Salon 2.0 track features some epic stories from a psychonaut who’s seen it all. His name is Gunther Weil. Gunther escaped the Holocaust, worked with Tim Leary on the LSD Concord Prison Experiment, worked on Aerosmith’s first album, recieved a […]

Cosmic Bos Improv-revisation podcast Episode 3: Oxymoronic Atomic Hotel Track Listing: 1. Pinch Me, I'm Dreaming 2. A Happy Place (ft. Donny Stax) 3. Nelson Mandela Effect 4. Liquorman 5. Hunter or Food (ft. Donny Stax) 6. Old Country 7. Someone Must Understand This (ft. Terence McKenna) All music improvised by Chris Mace, Andy Jackson & Nick Jackson raps on tracks 2 & 5 by Donny Stax (check him out, he's awesome) sample of Terence McKenna on track 7 taken from the Psychedelic Salon podcast, available at all good podcasting stores too. Revised, mixed and mastered by Chris Mace & Andy Jackson copyright Cosmic Bos 2019 Please like, share, subscribe, download, do it all, live the dream my friends, live it.

Support Lorenzo on Patreon.com Guest speaker: Terence McKenna PROGRAM NOTES: Today marks the official beginning of the 3.0 track of the Psychedelic Salon. The main difference between Salon 3.0 and the earlier podcasts from the salon is that this 3.0 track on Patreon.com will be where you will hear the programs three months before they […]

In this episode we are going to listen to an excellent talk by none other than the great Terence McKenna. This talk was lifted from the Psychedelic Salon podcast.Support the podcast.Music featured in this episode:Macross: do you remember love?

Support Lorenzo on Patreon.com Guest speaker: Matt Pallamary PROGRAM NOTES: Date this lecture was recorded: January 21, 2019 Today’s podcast features a recording from a recent live session of the Psychedelic Salon in which writer and ayahuasca researcher Matt Pallamary regaled us with his tales of jungle adventures. Matt Pallamary’s Website n0thing Gets Swatted Download […]

Support Lorenzo on Patreon.com Guest speaker: Richie Ogulnick PROGRAM NOTES: Date this lecture was recorded: December 17, 2018. Today’s program was recorded during last Monday’s live session of the Psychedelic Salon. It features a conversation/interview with Richie Ogulnick, who is a leading expert on the healing properties of ibogaine, particularly in ways it is being […]

Support Lorenzo on Patreon.com Guest speaker: Terence McKenna PROGRAM NOTES: Today marks the official beginning of the 3.0 track of the Psychedelic Salon. The main difference between Salon 3.0 and the earlier podcasts from the salon is that this 3.0 track on Patreon.com will be where you will hear the programs three months before they […]

Support Lorenzo on Patreon.com Guest speaker: David Nickles PROGRAM NOTES: Date this lecture was recorded: October 8, 2018 Today’s podcast features David Nickles, whose work may be found at the DMT-Nexus Website. The program is actually a recording of last week’s regularly scheduled live version of the Psychedelic Salon, which takes place every Monday evening […]

Download Key Takeaways Bluebird Botanicals is leading the industry in third-party testing and Lab results, green initiatives and a stand on hemp policy. CBD helps cushion the psychoactive impact of THC on CB1 receptors, making for a less intense ‘high’. Lex has a lot of hope for the 2018 Farm Bill, and believes hemp has widespread uses that will open many market opportunities in the future. Intro Joe interviews Lex Pelger, Science Director of Bluebird Botanicals, a Colorado-based company. They talk about CBD and the issues with the FDA talking about health benefits. The use cases of hemp and drug war are discussed. Who is Lex Pelger? He is a Science Director of Bluebird Botanicals. Lex moves from New York to Colorado. He did a psychedelic storytelling open mic tour (Blue Dot tour) across the USA and it culminated at the MAPS Psychedelic Science Conference. Moved from the hustle of New York to Colorado to have his baby. The Cannabinoid Lex gets excited the more he learns about how intricate the endocannabinoid system is to humans and all mammals Bluebird Botanicals doesn't make any medical claims CDB supports health and homeostasis The cannabinoid system was discovered in the body only 25 years ago Opium and Cannabis were the two oldest plants used in the body There isn't anyone connection for cannabis, because there are so many receptors in the human body There is a ton of research happening on cannabinoids Lex thinks the research ban on phytocannabinoids is unfortunate Cannabis and cannabinoids are the most studied drugs in the US CBD functions as a homeostasis molecule Anandamide was the first endogenous cannabinoid discovered in the human brain in 1991 by a team led by Raphael Mechoulam in Israel Raphael Mechoulam discovered the final structure of THC in 1963 CB1 Receptor in the brain was discovered in 1991 also CB1 Receptor If the CB1 receptors are blocked in a human or animal, they won't get ‘high’ on weed The presence of CBD doesn't allow THC to fully bind to the CB1 receptor, so when CBD is present in THC, you won't get quite as high Lex thinks it's unfortunate that because weed has been in prohibition, it has been bred so hard to only have THC He thinks all weed should have a little bit of CBD to cushion the psychoactive nature of THC The Endocannabinoid System Joe says there is no profile to test the endocannabinoid system to know if a person is deficient or not, that he knows of Lex says if you get your genetic results from a company like 23 and me, it will tell you about your cannabinoid alleles A bad trip to a young brain can damage it forever The activists that annoy Lex are ones that refuse the obvious negatives Weed should not be given to all children The ‘Right to Fly’ Jonathan Thompson - Psychedelic Parenting Blog and Podcast How to create a community on psychedelics Noah Potter - Psychedelic Law Blog An open-source thought experiment in psychedelic law and policy “This plant is tied down by so many regulations” - Lex In the state of Colorado, you can't make new genetics Lousy laws made it hard to diversify the cannabis plant Lex believes Aldous Huxley’s book The Island is the best blueprint for what a sane integration of psychedelics and psychoactive might look like. Lex says people taking mushrooms in the woods together is so special, simply because a group of people is spending 6-8 hours with nature and with each other. Bluebird Botanicals Many different products - isolates, oils, vape juice, and topicals will be back soon Independent Lab Verification Leading the industry with third-party lab results Transparent about ingredients, NO pesticides used! Paired with Eurofins - world’s biggest testing lab Bluebird partners with the farmers, packaging partners, etc to be green and more eco-friendly always CEO Brandon hears about a new point of quality to be added, he goes for it Passed 99% inspection quality, CGMP Lex thinks its so nice to work for a company that focuses on giving back to the customers, focusing on employees, quality, the planet, and just giving back CBD Drug Law Changes in California The regulations restrict being able to add CBD to food, which goes is against the 2014 Federal Farm Bill Bluebird is on the board for the US Hemp Roundtable - Hemp Policy Jonathan Miller - Lawyer of the group and writer to address misinterpretation of the law “It's foolish to have the 1950’s 1960’s mindset of cannabis” - Joe Marijuana vs Hemp Both are cannabis plants Cannabis is the species, THC is more than .3% THC, Hemp is less than .3% THC “If a state inspector comes in and tests 6 samples and the results come up as .4% or .5%, they make you burn it. They don't burn it for you, you have to burn it yourself while you watch.” - Lex Cannabis is tricky to grow for commercial use It takes 3 generations for the plant to get used to the environment “Thank you, farmers, for being farmers” - Joe 2018 Farm Bill Mitch McConnell majority leader of the Senate, is pushing this because he comes from Kentucky, the Hemp state. The Senate version of the Farm Bill is correct, the House version has none of the correct language in it. McConnell and the pro-hemp committee will hash out the differences between the two bills. This Bill expands on all of the rights so it makes it look more enticing and safe for big businesses like Whole Foods and Banks. This bill is going to open up many markets. Hemp as an Industrial Product “What’s really cool about hemp is how widespread the uses are” - Lex The Hemperor, Jack Herer discovered all of the uses for the hemp plant Oil and plastic did win, hemp did not win as a top 10 commodity It’s a hard plant to work within the processing stage Thomas Jefferson stopped growing hemp because the retting stage was too hard on his slaves Hemp is not going to change all the markets it's been said it will transform Lex says hempcrete is fascinating. Using hemp as lubricants, bath bombs, and just the seeds are fascinating uses The Russians and the English fought in a war over access to hemp Hemp is a rope that doesn't get destroyed by saltwater, fueled the world’s Navy Fiber is so important, and hemp as a fiber was widespread Hemp seeds are a perfect mix of essential fatty acids Hemp seed made pigeons breed more Joe says there was a huge tradition of people eating pigeons Agriculture is so bad for topsoil, hemp can help repair our lands for us to keep surviving Hemp is a holy material in Korea Joseph Needham layed out all of China’s inventions and explained that the founders of Daoism had a cannabis-induced ‘dream’ and envisioned the first Daoist school where Yin and Yang came from Lex’s job as a Science Director for Bluebird Lex does a lot of education around CBD, Cannabinoid science conferences His passion for cannabis stems from his grandma’s medical condition He wanted to find a way to describe the cannabinoid system for elders to understand Lex is thankful for groups like Erowid, who sit down and interview our elders Lex tells a story about a man who took LSD in the woods, and fell to the ground and felt one with the trees, felt himself rooting down, and felt complete. He never forgot that feeling Lex thinks that a person should be stable before embarking on a psychedelic journey “Huxley says that therapists are attracted to psychedelics because of their own dark icebergs” - Lex. He thinks that therapists should be A gatekeeper, not THE gatekeeper Joe has been trying to get in touch with Dana Beal who popularized ibogaine “Dana Beal was an old-time, cowboy pot smuggler to fund yippie political activism, outreach, and political activism, so he could make the way that he made money, illegal” - Lex He used the system against itself Cannabis can cause catalepsy in people - which makes one ‘blackout’ 90% of cointel pros were against the Black Panthers Hoover feared them because they were black and he was racist They were extremely effective Lex explains that the war on cannabis has a racist framework, Nixon said “Because black people use cocaine and hippies use cannabis, we can use it against them” Lex goes on to talk about the history of the CIA, which puts its money into drug trade because it's untraceable, they protect the drug lords to use it for their own financial benefit He says the CIA and DEA are inefficient bureaucracies “Our belief at Bluebird, is we have to end the war on drugs. It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on people. The war on drugs is incredibly effective at doing what it was designed to do, and that was to hold, certain people groups down” Joe comments saying that there are babies being born and being brought into this world. He appreciates Bluebird for having proper business practice Final Thoughts Lex finished his Moby Dick Pot books about the endocannabinoid system and the war on drugs He says he based them on Moby Dick because it was the only thing large enough to fit the entire history of cannabis and war on drugs He does the Greener Grass Podcast for Bluebird which includes topics on cannabis and green initiatives. He is also a part of the Psychedelic Salon http://www.lexpelger.com/ https://bluebirdbotanicals.com/

This episode features a talk by Terence McKenna lifted from the Psychedelic Salon podcast.Support the podcast.Music featured in this episode:Nameless Archivewww.namelessarchive.comnamelessarchive.bandcamp.comwww.facebook.com/nameless.archive

In this episode we are going to hear Terence McKenna talk about Carl Jung and Marshall McLuhan. The talks have been lifted from the Psychedelic Salon podcast.Support the podcast.Music featured in this episode:Love Buttonwww.love-button.comwww.facebook.com/lovebuttonband

Lorenzo Hagerty is the founder of the Psychedelic Salon — one of the richest, deepest, and oldest podcasts on the internet. He’s a pioneer and leader in the psychedelic thought movement and has led a rich life on his path from a Texas Lawyer, a navy man, a computer visionary, to a trail blazing podcaster … and much more. He was also the producer of the Palenque Norte lecture series at Burning Man. He an OG counter culture originator and we couldn’t be happier to have him on the podcast. Lorenzo Hagerty Psychedelic Salon EastForest.org

Guest speakers: Scott Olsen, The Lakey Family PROGRAM NOTES: Date this lecture was recorded: January 14, 2018 On this, the very first episode of ‘Find the Others’, The Lakey Sisters head to Florida. And so we are happy to welcome the Psychedelic Salon’s newest anchors, Alexa and Kat, as they prepare to part ways for […]

Swap Cast with James Cruz and Grim Steak of The Cruzin With Steak Podcast. https://www.grimsteak.com . Lorenzo Hagerty of The Psychedelic Salon https://psychedelicsalon.com joins us for a really fun conversation. Visit www.FriendsToKnow.Space for more info, contact page, P.O. Box, stream or download all episodes for free, weekly animated art, house band albums. Closing music by Arcade High ~A VALUE4VALUE PODCAST~ On twitter @Friendstoknow or the Grimerica's Discord chats https://discordapp.com/invite/fmzuYmz as ~OwlFaceYouAdam~ email ftk@nym.hush.com Closing Music By Arcade High    "Damn. How can you give Kris Kringle a parking ticket on Christmas Eve? What's next, rabies shots for the Easter Bunny?"

In this episode I’m joined by one of my favorite podcast hosts Lorenzo Hagerty of the Psychedelic Salon podcast. A dear friend turned me on to the podcast back in 2008, I binge listened to catch up and have been on board ever since. Lorenzo’s endearing charm, sharp wit, and scathing critiques of the dominator culture all all of its systems have made me a big fan of the show. It was a great honor to be able to explore the depth of his personal life journey and discuss an array of crypto-anarchist and techno-shamanic histories and futures. Finally, we compare notes and speculate on some of Terrence Mckenna’s attitudes towards psychedelics and tantric spirituality. After our discussion, I include a spoken word piece I recorded called “McKennisms” which is my reading of several of my favorite Terence Mckenna quotes from the many lectures on the Psychedelic Salon that I’ve taken notes on over the years. Please visit and subscribe to the Psychedelic Salon here: https://psychedelicsalon.com Check out his novel The Genesis Generation at: https://www.amazon.com/Genesis-Generation-psychedelic-novel-ebook/dp/B00WV19JDA About Lorenzo: Lorenzo Hagerty is currently best known as the host of the Psychedelic Salon podcast. He came to podcasting through a circuitous route that included being a writer, keynote speaker, and Internet/e-Commerce consultant. He holds a Bachelor of Science degree in Electrical Engineering from the University of Notre Dame and a Doctor of Jurisprudence degree from the University of Houston. His eclectic career also included being a sailing instructor, Naval officer, hot air balloon pilot, electrical engineer, and lawyer. In August of 2017 he celebrated his 75th birthday.

In this track I read a selection of my favorite Terence Mckenna quotes from the archive of the Psychedelic Salon podcast.

Episode 4 The one with Lorenzo Hagerty Today we had the privilege of speaking with Lorenzo Hagerty. Lorenzo is the producer and creator the Psychedelic Salon podcast as well as an author, non-practicing attorney, producer of the Palenque Norte lecture series at Burning Man and all around psychedelic Elder. He’s led a fascinating life and met some of the best known people in the psychedelic world. We are deeply grateful he was kind enough to share his time, wisdom, and experiences with us. You can find the Psychedelic Salon at his website: https://psychedelicsalon.com  Through this website you can learn about supporting his mission and legacy as well as get connected with a pretty robust forum community and lots of other fantastic resources. We highly suggest spending some time checking out what Lorenzo has to offer. Our intro music is provided by Lish and titled “One of those Days” You can find more of their awesome work on through their facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/lishmusic/ Our transition tracks are provided by Desert Dwellers. Today’s transition is titled “Seeing Things (Original Mix)” You can find them through their website: http://desertdwellers.org/ As always please check us out at http://ascendedminds.net to connect and join our Tribe! We rely on your generous support to help us grow and continue our journey. You can donate through our website and Patreon or you can support us by connecting, sharing, and reviewing what we’re doing! Thank you for all your support regardless of the form it takes! We’re blessed and grateful for each of you! Blessed Be!

Casey William Hardison is an entheogenic activist and psychedelic chemist who most famously known for getting busted making LSD In the U.K. and defending himself in court, by acting as his own lawyer during his trial.  Instead of arguing he did not commit the acts, he argued that--as long as he harmed no one--he had the human right to engage in his chosen entheogenic praxis. Casey stood for cognitive liberty and freedom of thought and continues to do so to this day.  During his trial, Casey challenged the drug laws as a discriminatory affront to free thought, therapeutic choice and free religion. The trial judge rejected these arguments and an eight-week trial ensued after which Casey was convicted on March 18, 2005 on 6 of 8 counts and sentenced to 20 years imprisonment on April 22, 2005.  Aside from being known for being kidnapped by men with guns for partaking in a peaceful loving activity, Casey has attended entheogen-related conferences, wrote articles for the MAPS Bulletin, The Entheogen Review, and contributed to Erowid.  Casey is a freedom fighter of the highest order of love and light.  Extensive show notes and links are below.  if you enjoy this show please leave a 5-star rating and review on iTunes. You can also support this how for as little as $1 a month at www.patreon.com/mikebranc   FYI - I kind of went off the rails and ranted in anger about Sessions, Trump and the war on drugs in the begining of this episode for a about 20 minutes. You can skip ahead if you want to get to the interview.   Thank you!  #M I N D R I G H T S Show Notes and Links:   Eroded Vault- Casey William Harrison: https://erowid.org/culture/characters/hardison_casey/   Erowid:  erowid.org   Burning Man: https://burningman.org/   Maps MDMA: http://www.maps.org/research/mdma   Psychedelic Science: http://psychedelicscience.org/   The Beckley foundation:  http://beckleyfoundation.org/   Amanda Fielding: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Feilding   William Blake: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/3679-if-the-doors-of-perception-were-cleansed-every-thing-would     Jung and Alchemy: http://www.carl-jung.net/alchemy.html   Remembering Nick Sand - Orange Sunshine LSD Chemist: https://www.psymposia.com/magazine/nick-sand-orange-sunshine-lsd-chemist-dies-75/   Hamilton’s Pharmacopeia: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/tonight-on-viceland-hamiltons-pharmacopeia-lizard-school     The Grateful Dead: http://www.dead.net/     Richard Evans Shultes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Evans_Schultes   MAPS vol 10 # 2 2000: http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v10n2/v10n2.pdf   Pharmacotheon Entheogenic Drugs Their Plant Sources and Histories by Jonathan Ott:   https://www.amazon.com/Pharmacotheon-Entheogenic-Drugs-Sources-Histories/dp/0961423439/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495210221&sr=8-1&keywords=entheogenic+drugs+their+plant+sources+and+history+-+Jonathan+Ott   Ethnobotany: Evolution of a Discipline By Richard Evans Shultes: https://www.amazon.com/Ethnobotany-Discipline-Richard-Evans-Schultes/dp/0881929727/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495210285&sr=8-1&keywords=ethnobotany     Ethnobiology Conference: https://ethnobiology.org/conference/upcoming   Mentor, Sasha Shulgin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Shulgin   https://www.amazon.com/Alexander-Shulgin/e/B000APJGIC/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1495210495&sr=8-1   The amazing 2c-T-7 molecule: https://erowid.org/chemicals/2ct7/2ct7.shtml     Brave New World By Aldous Huxley: https://www.amazon.com/Brave-New-World/dp/B0012QED5Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495210778&sr=8-1&keywords=aldous+huxley+brave+new+world     Erik Davis  Article: https://aeon.co/essays/new-psychedelics-research-is-on-a-knife-edge-of-meaning   Noosphere: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noosphere    Gaia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_(mythology)   2-cd molecule: https://erowid.org/chemicals/2cd/2cd.shtml   Center For cognitive liberty & Ethics: http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/     On cognitive liberty part 1,2,3,4 Richard Glen Boire: http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/curriculum/oncoglib_123.htm     The November Coalition:  November.org  - the razor wire - drug war prisoners : http://therazorwire.org/     Drug War Stats: http://www.drugpolicy.org/drug-war-statistics   Benjamin Rush:https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Rush     Thomas Paine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Paine   cognitive liberty shirt - unlock your mind symbol: http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/tshirts.html   Sylvia Tyson:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Tyson   journal of cognitive liberty - http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v10n2/v10n2.pdf -   Psychedelic Salon: https://psychedelicsalon.com/     The Spirit Of The Internet: https://www.matrixmasters.com/spirit/html/html.html   The Gunners Dream by Pink Floyd - “and no-one kills the children anymore” :  http://www.pink-floyd-lyrics.com/html/the-gunner-dream-final-lyrics.html   Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/casey.william.freeblood     just Google casey LSD: https://www.google.com/search?q=casey+lsd&oq=casey+lsd&aqs=chrome..69i57.1885j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8   Civil Disobedience By Henery David Thoreau  

In this episode, Jonathan talks with his dear friend Lex Pelger. Lex is a co-Founder (along with past podcast guest Brett Greene) of the psychedelic media group Psymposia, an author, and the new host of the legendary psychedelic podcast The Psychedelic Salon. Lex has recently begun publishing his magnum opus, Anandamide, or: The Canabinoid, a graphic novel about cannabis, the war on weed, and our own endocannabinoid system, based on Moby Dick . He is also co-hosting a cross-country tour of Psymposia's popular Psychedelic Storytelling events, called The Blue Dot Tour, with a goal of building psychedelic community in "blue cities inside red states" Full Program notes can be found at:  http://www.psychedelicparenting.org/psychedelic-parenting-podcast-33/

Download Kevin is a science writer, graduate student researcher and aspiring clinician, harm reduction educator and substance use recovery advocate. Kyle and Joe talk to him about loads of topics including early Iboga therapies, an early Boston Ibogaine Conference, his approach to journalism and his future aspirations to do future clinical work and research. Kevin's website Kevin's writing Public Seminar (2016, The New School blog) - Trump Calls Killing Addicts, "Right Approach" SSDP Blog (2016) - Recovery and Reform: An Alum's Journey Back The Fix (2016)  I Take Psychedelic Drugs and I’m in Recovery VICE (2016, 2015)  Inside a Music Festival in a Country Where All Drugs Are Decriminalized  Meet the Only Doctor in the World Legally Allowed to Use LSD to Treat Patients New Scientist (2016, 2014, 2013) Magic Mushroom drug helps people with cancer face death Putting healthcare first can save festival drug users from harm  LSD’s ability to make minds malleable revisited  Mind-altering drug could offer life free of heroin Reality Sandwich (2015) Growing Pains: Reflections on the Current Psychedelic Renaissance  A New Perspective: How Ibogaine Treatment Helped Turn My Life Around Ladybud (2015) – Envisioning a Post-Prohibition World at Psymposia Psychedelics Conference Reset.me (2015, 2014) Marine-Turned-Researcher Announces New Ayahuasca Study at Psychedelic Event Psychedelics and the Origins of Christmas Folklore: An Interview with Professor Carl Ruck Entering a Psychedelic State – Without Psychedelics: Inside Holotropic Breathwork Reason.com (2014) – Psychedelic Science (Acid Test by Tom Shroder book review) Staff Writer (Fall 2012–Spring 2013) - NuScience Magazine, Northeastern University The Environmental Impacts of Anti-Drug Eradication: Plan Colombia (Issue 15) NU Science Interview with NU Professor Albert-Laszlo-Barabasi (Issue 16) MDMA for PTSD (Issue 13) Links Dana Beal Carl Hart Kosmicare Gary Fisher - Papers Purdue Erowid Autism 20-25 mg Psilocybin 200 mcg - LSD A Conversation Between Gary Fisher and Myron Stolaroff (2004) - Psychedelic Salon 2009 Ibogaine Conference Northeastern University, Boston, Mass. Alicia Danforth Ph.D -Dissertation National Geographic - Breakthrough season 2 About Kevin: Kevin graduated from Northeastern University in 2013 with a degree in neuroscience. As an undergraduate he completed an internship as a research assistant at Harvard Medical School working on the Phase 2 dose-response study investigating the therapeutic potential of MDMA-assisted psychotherapy for treatment of cancer related anxiety. Kevin was also one of the founders of the Northeastern chapter of Students for Sensible Drug Policy, and in 2009 the group hosted and co-sponsored the Boston Ibogaine Forum. He now lives in New York City where he is enrolled in a clinical psychology graduate program at The New School for Social Research and is pursuing a doctoral degree. Kevin has worked part-time for the Drug Policy Alliance, and also works as a writer covering topics related to psychedelic therapy, addiction, and mental health advocacy. His recent contributions include: New Scientist, Reason.com, Reset.me, Reality Sandwich, and VICE.com.

Guest speaker: Lorenzo PROGRAM NOTES: This is the first of the Psychedelic Salon 2.0 podcasts. It is a very short program that answers the following questions: 1. How did the idea of Salon 2.0 come about? 2. Where did the ideas for how Salon2 will work come from? 3. How much input and control will […]

Woah, monster of an episode with Andy Zaremba from Floathouse and Vancouver Real Podcast. Andy’s been a good friend of mine for a couple years now and he’s been an inspiration since I first met him. He’s one of those guys I like to call a go-giver (like a go-getter, but focussed on giving rather than getting).   He’s the co-owner of multiple businesses with his brother Mike (who I interviewed back in episode 06), as well as a father to a beautiful little girl, partner to a beautiful woman, and the co-leader of our squad in the Samurai Brotherhood. While he definitely has more on his plate than most out there, he also never hesitates to give back, and be of service to people in his community.   In this interview we dig into all sorts of awesome stuff! Some of which include: how he got inspired to create Float House, how cannabis has tied into his life and spiritual development, politics, creating change in one’s life, some family history, fear, personal development, public speaking and anxiety.   Lots of gold in this one. Andy and I really got into a great flow and covered lots of awesome stuff. I’m sure you’ll find some inspiration in here somewhere :)   Thanks again, and I hope you enjoy! 2:30 ~ Andy’s commitment to his mission of elevating consciousness. 7:00 ~ How Andy and Mike got inspired to start Float House. 24:00 ~ What does Andy believe? 27:30 ~ Andy dives into how cannabis has tied into spirituality for him. 33:00 ~ We rant on politics and some of the shit going on in the world 48:00 ~ What it takes for people to shift 51:00 ~ Some of the people lobbying against cannabis and why 54:00 ~ How fear ties into the cannabis discussion 57:00 ~ Psychedelics and how they’ve helped both Andy and me 1:02:00 ~ Some of Andy’s family history 1:07:00 ~ Challenge, getting uncomfortable and growth 1:10:00 ~ Personal development 1:13:00 ~ How anxiety has affected Andy in his life 1:26:00 ~ Rapid fire Qs   References Joe Rogan podcast with Steven Cotler on Flow States: https://youtu.be/KNobzrnSRMc Float On in Portland: http://floathq.com/   Float Conference: http://floatconference.com/ Andy and Mike’s interview with Daniele Bolelli: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/092-daniele-bolelli-history/id923776316?i=1000379354318&mt=2 Who killed the electric care documentary: https://youtu.be/vRnUY6V2Knk The Culture High (cannabis documentary): https://youtu.be/XA9Q6nDVR3s (this is a crazy awesome movie if you haven’t seen it. Regardless of whether or not you use cannabis) Vancouver Entrepreneurs Toastmasters Club: http://www.vetc.ca/ Joe Rogan with Jordan Peterson:  https://youtu.be/04wyGK6k6HE   Andy’s answers : Daniele Bolelli’s podcast: http://www.danielebolelli.com/ Psychedelic Salon podcast: https://psychedelicsalon.com/ Dan Carlin’s Hardcore History: http://www.dancarlin.com/hardcore-history-series/ Meeting the Shadow: http://amzn.to/2kUUCQs Experience - PSI Seminars: http://www.psiseminars.com/ and Spiritquest ayahuasca retreats   Connect with Andy: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/andy.zaremba.7?fref=ts Float House: http://www.floathouse.ca/ Vancouver Real Podcast: http://www.vancouverreal.tv/ and https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/vancouver-real/id923776316?mt=2   Brought to you by the Grind Bar! The world's first performance nutrition bar infused with CBD! Check out www.thegrindbar.com to learn more!

Dr. Bruce Damer is a UC Santa Cruz-based origin of life researcher, speaker and polymath. Lorenzo Hagerty is the host and driving force behind the long-running Psychedelic Salon podcast.  For a full write-up and more - THIRDEYEDROPS.com

Bruce Frederick Damer is a Canadian-American multi-disciplinary scientist, designer, and speaker. He works in evolutionary biology researching the question of the origin of life and the exploration and economic development of space. He also has a practice in the design of innovative software systems interfaces and a passion for collecting and curating historical archives in computing history and leading figures of the counter-culture. Dr. Damer performs as a storyteller on a range of subjects under the moniker science + vision = hope. He began performing in 2003 and is featured at venues such as Burning Man, and the Esalen Institute. He also performs at music and art festivals worldwide including Buddhafield, Symbiosis, Rainbow Serpent, Earth Frequency, and Lightning in a Bottle, covering topics ranging through science, space, deep evolutionary history, questions of origins, and the meaning and future of the human enterprise. Many of these talks many be found online through podcasts such as the Joe Rogan Experience, the Psychedelic Salon, the Biota Podcast, the Space Show, the Dr. Future Show, the C-Realm, the Midwest Real Podcast, and the Tink Tink Club. A good selection of Dr. Damer's talks and philosophy as well as conversations and featured guest speakers are collected together in his own Levity Zone podcast. In the late 1990s, Dr. Damer met the American philosopher and storyteller Terence McKenna and formed a collaboration investigating the connection between computer virtual worlds and the inner worlds experienced through alternative states of consciousness. Following McKenna's death in 2000 he worked with Lorenzo Hagerty to digitally remaster McKenna's talks and collect his last remaining papers. In 2006 he became an agent for the estate of Dr.Timothy Leary and received the remaining books, news archive, record collection, and ephemera from Leary's archives. Working with the Internet Archive he established several online libraries of historical materials: Psychedelia, which contains unique materials from counter-cultural figures and Archiving Virtual Worlds focused on the early history of virtual worlds, and games, built in collaboration with Dr. Henry Lowood of Stanford University. Dr. Damer is a follower of a scientific version of the philosophy of liminality occupying a liminal boundary between rational, reductionist, materialist approaches to reality but open to inspiration from alternative states of consciousness. He has built a practice of intentionally seeking visionary experiences through meditative states that can be grounded in scientific insights or guiding stories. He has refined this philosophy since childhood when he occupied himself entering imaginal worlds and expressing those worlds through his artwork. Dr. Damer is currently researching a book based on interviews with other practitioners of what he terms the "endo way", meaning insights sourced through endogenous methods who then pragmatically apply their insights to real world applications. Find Dr. Damer on Facebook, Twitter, Google+ and videos on Vimeo and YouTube Some of Dr. Damer's scientific articles are listed on ResearchGate Google search on Bruce Damer

Lorenzo Hagerty stops by Synchronicity to talk about his cyberdelic baby, The Psychedelic Salon. Lorenzo has had a fascinating life and this was an incredibly fun episode for me. Topics Discussed The Psychedelic Salon Terence McKenna Culture Psychedelics Marijuana Technology and Consciousness

Lorenzo Hagerty is an author, podcaster, entrepreneur and liver of many lives (check out his incredibly eclectic bio).  His show, The Psychedelic Salon, offers an extremely comprehensive collection of verbal serenades from disrupters and visionaries like Timothy Leary, the Alex Grey, Sasha Shulgin and many others. It’s definitely one of my go-to sources for brain-melting content. Peruse their library if you haven’t! We've also got the wonderful whimsical genius of Bruce Damer back on the show. Bruce is a researcher at UC Santa Cruz focused on origin of life related work and he’s most definitely got the gift of poetic yarn-spinning and man, does he have plenty of yarns to pull from!  For a full write-up and more, head to THIRDEYEDROPS

An exploration and tutorial about the do’s and don’ts of MDMA and so many other Teacher Plants through the amazing stories of Lorenzo Hagerty. The Psychedelic Salon  is operated by Lorenzo, who is also the original producer of the Palenque Norte lecture series at Burning Man. The mission of Matrix Masters can best be summed up […]

Guest speaker: Aldous Huxley PROGRAM NOTES: This podcast celebrates the ten year anniversary of programming from the Psychedelic Salon. And so we return to one of the men who was responsible for igniting today’s psychedelic renaissance, Aldous Huxley. The talk featured here was delivered at MIT in 1961, sometime after it was first given at […]

Lorenzo Hagerty is the host of the Psychedelic Salon podcast and author of Genesis Generation. We sit down with Lorenzo to discuss the world of entheogens and the current state of psychopharmacology. Go to psychedelicsalon.us and MAPS.org for more information. 

www.AlternativeHealthTools.com   Topics covered in this show The future of psychedelics and cannabis in medicine. Cannabis for sleep, pain management and tumors. All about the therapeutic benefits against PTSD and usage case studies of MDMA “Ecstasy.” Lorenzo is the self proclaimed “Carnival Barker” at the Psychedelic Salon podcast which started in 2005 with lectures from Burning Man. The cultural gold of Terence McKenna, Timothy Leary and Ralph Abrahams revealed. Mondo 2000. Synchronicity tells you you're on the right track. What's next? Ayahuasca Jonathan Ott Wellness Tip Have a relaxed attitude. Keep your mind knowing what's good in the world. Be transformational.   Recommended Links Lorenzo Hagerty, The Psychedelic Salon and Matrix Masters Burning Man The Omega Institute MAPS Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies YouTube with Dr. Charlie Grobb Your culture is not your friend The Vaults of EROWID Jonathan Ott Americans for Safe Access Drug Policy Alliance   Contact information Lorenzo Hagerty lorenzo@matrixmasters.com   www.LorenzoHagerty.com   Here's how you can spread the word If you enjoyed this episode, head on over to iTunes and please leave us a rating, a review and subscribe!   Ways to subscribe to Health and Wellness Encinitas Click here to subscribe via iTunes Click here to subscribe via RSS You can also subscribe via Stitcher   For more information www.HealthAndWellnessEncinitas.com www.ThorpInstitute.com   Produced by John Biethan and brought to you by:www.AlkaWay.com the makers of UltraStream - working like nature to filter, alkalise and naturally energize water, returning it to its natural pristine state.   Podsafe music permission of Plook. Find them here: http://www.reverbnation.com/Plook https://www.facebook.com/pages/Plook/164031980442261   DISCLAIMER                                          The information contained in these podcasts and on this website is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease or health condition. Please consult a qualified healthcare professional to diagnose your health condition and prevent self diagnosis. We do not dispense medical advice or prescribe or diagnose illness.     The U.S. Food and Drug Administration or the American Medical Association have not evaluated, approved, or disapproved the material contained in these podcasts or on this website or its related material. No specific claims are made in relation to any health conditions or the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of the devices contained in this website.

www.AlternativeHealthTools.com   Topics covered in this show The future of psychedelics and cannabis in medicine. Cannabis for sleep, pain management and tumors. All about the therapeutic benefits against PTSD and usage case studies of MDMA “Ecstasy.” Lorenzo is the self proclaimed “Carnival Barker” at the Psychedelic Salon podcast which started in 2005 with lectures from Burning Man. The cultural gold of Terence McKenna, Timothy Leary and Ralph Abrahams revealed. Mondo 2000. Synchronicity tells you you’re on the right track. What’s next? Ayahuasca Jonathan Ott Wellness Tip Have a relaxed attitude. Keep your mind knowing what’s good in the world. Be transformational.   Recommended Links Lorenzo Hagerty, The Psychedelic Salon and Matrix Masters Burning Man The Omega Institute MAPS Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies YouTube with Dr. Charlie Grobb Your culture is not your friend The Vaults of EROWID Jonathan Ott Americans for Safe Access Drug Policy Alliance   Contact information Lorenzo Hagerty lorenzo@matrixmasters.com   www.LorenzoHagerty.com   Here’s how you can spread the word If you enjoyed this episode, head on over to iTunes and please leave us a rating, a review and subscribe!   Ways to subscribe to Health and Wellness Encinitas Click here to subscribe via iTunes Click here to subscribe via RSS You can also subscribe via Stitcher   For more information www.HealthAndWellnessEncinitas.com www.ThorpInstitute.com   Produced by John Biethan and brought to you by:www.AlkaWay.com the makers of UltraStream - working like nature to filter, alkalise and naturally energize water, returning it to its natural pristine state.   Podsafe music permission of Plook. Find them here: http://www.reverbnation.com/Plook https://www.facebook.com/pages/Plook/164031980442261   DISCLAIMER                                          The information contained in these podcasts and on this website is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease or health condition. Please consult a qualified healthcare professional to diagnose your health condition and prevent self diagnosis. We do not dispense medical advice or prescribe or diagnose illness.     The U.S. Food and Drug Administration or the American Medical Association have not evaluated, approved, or disapproved the material contained in these podcasts or on this website or its related material. No specific claims are made in relation to any health conditions or the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of the devices contained in this website.

The McKenna talk (Podcast 421 in the Psychedelic Salon) referenced by Tom is discussed. Heron's pill popping is ritualized as is his alcohol consumption. Tom gives a capitalism 101 on podcast advertising and has given up on the unique IP address religion. How about the Crunch Book? Heron returns to the speed of his new machine. Tom has been trying BitCoins and it sucks. The trail of blood is one more story from Tom's past. Tom gives a basic sexual education class from his misspent yoof and how Tom helped out some water birds. Heron digresses into Mac operating systems and old software. Tom wants to be more positive and upgrades the world's microphones. Model Rail Radio 100 is discussed. Heron explores pandering and has professionally moved to Seal Beach.

The McKenna talk (Podcast 421 in the Psychedelic Salon) referenced by Tom is discussed. Heron's pill popping is ritualized as is his alcohol consumption. Tom gives a capitalism 101 on podcast advertising and has given up on the unique IP address religion. How about the Crunch Book? Heron returns to the speed of his new machine. Tom has been trying BitCoins and it sucks. The trail of blood is one more story from Tom's past. Tom gives a basic sexual education class from his misspent yoof and how Tom helped out some water birds. Heron digresses into Mac operating systems and old software. Tom wants to be more positive and upgrades the world's microphones. Model Rail Radio 100 is discussed. Heron explores pandering and has professionally moved to Seal Beach.

Heron has ticked off a life goal thanks to some listener intervention. The best source for Terence McKenna is Lorenzo Hagerty's Psychedelic Salon (http://matrixmasters.net/salon/). How good is the primary access to experiences? Tom talks about the escape trajectory. How do we communicate? Tom explores Heron's uncharted life and talks about the Mushroom Boy now embodied in a project (http://github.com/barbalet/mushroom). They rap on divergent populations versus the media. Nutbush City Limits and Kate Smith roll on. Heron's favorite wine glass is no more. Spiritual Communities contained a little note. They talk about when people care and it involves geographic movement. Heron needs to create new rituals. Heron returns to his experience from the week following a discussion on the smell of old pipes. Heron identifies that Tom has alienated a number of listeners. From a brief spell on alcoholism they wander into DVDs. Russian Roulette is a good metaphor for living as an adult. YouTube is better than reading. Tom raps on ancestry as a gateway to the sublime nature of intelligibility. Are there common threads in Tom's work? Tom throws out a fan demonized topic. Going to the DMV is a good way to find language monkeys. You get Heron's eyes for five minutes at most. Heron has no words of wisdom.

Comedian Rosie Tran (@FunnyRosie) interviews Lorenzo Hagerty (@PsychedelicLozo), host of the podcast, Psychedelic Salon. He talks about his interesting life from convervative Texas lawyer to Psychedelic advocate and peace warrior. Discussion of positive use of psychedelic drugs for therapy and exploring drugs in a safe and healthy way to increase awareness, consciousness, and expand your mind instead of just “getting high”. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/out-of-the-box-podcast/support

Lorenzo Hagerty is a former attorney, corporate CEO, and US Naval officer. He currently hosts the popular podcast "The Psychedelic Salon".

Lorenzo Hagerty is a former attorney, corporate CEO, and US Naval officer. He currently hosts the popular podcast "The Psychedelic Salon".

Lorenzo Hagerty is a former attorney, corporate CEO, and US Naval officer. He currently hosts the popular podcast "The Psychedelic Salon"

Guest speaker: Alan Watts NOTE: This program is still available at the Internet Archive. Alan Watts' son sent the following message requesting that his father's talks be removed from the Psychedelic Salon ... bye bye Alan! Mark Watts Said, Lorenzo if you leave the Alan Watts materials up you will be sued before this month is out. February 25, 2011 @ 10:15 am · Edit Lorenzo, my father's talks are copyright protected. Please don't post any more of his talks on your podcast and remove the ones you have in the archive. PROGRAM NOTES: If you want to listen to this talk you will have to pay his son for the privilege.  ... Too bad, I thought information wants to be free. I wonder what Alan would say about this? ... although, if you Google "alan watts mp3 torrent" you can find thousands of Web sites that provide free downloads of Watts material. Also, you will find many hours of free Alan Watts videos on YouTube. ... So maybe it is only the Psychedelic Salon that Mark objects to. PROGRAM NOTES [NOTE: All quotations are by Alan Watts.] "Christianity is, of all religions in the world, the one uniquely preoccupied with sex." "Most churches in America and in England and in other parts of the Western world are, frankly, sexual regulation societies." "So we have, in a very special way, got sex on the brain, which isn't exactly the right place for it." "There is no way of making a hedge grow like pruning it. There is no way of making sex interesting like repressing it." "That the physical world is transient, it seems to me, to be part of its splendor." "Neither the church nor the opponents of the church have clearly understood that the secret, or unconscious, motivation of sexual repression is to make it all the more interesting. And on the other side, it has not been clearly understood that sexual biology and all that goes with it is a figuring force, on the level of biology, of what the whole universe is about, ecstatic play." "If you've got a prudish father and mother you should be very grateful to them for having made sex so interesting." Download MP3 PCs – Right click, select option Macs – Ctrl-Click, select option

Psychedelic Salon 208-NadelmannWoD2009Itâs Time To End The War on DrugsEthan Nadelmann - The War on Drugs, this policy of punitive prohibition, is a horror in our society, something that cannot be morally justified, cannot be justified in terms of health, can certainly not be justified in terms of public safety, that cannot be justified in terms of any kind of fiscal prudence that Iâve ever heard of.http://www.archive.org/details/PsychedelicSalon208-nadelmannwod2009

Guest speaker: Alan Watts NOTE: This program is still available at the Internet Archive. Alan Watts' son sent the following message requesting that his father's talks be removed from the Psychedelic Salon ... bye bye Alan! Mark Watts Said, Lorenzo if you leave the Alan Watts materials up you will be sued before this month is out. February 25, 2011 @ 10:15 am · Edit Lorenzo, my father's talks are copyright protected. Please don't post any more of his talks on your podcast and remove the ones you have in the archive. PROGRAM NOTES: If you want to listen to this talk you will have to pay his son for the privilege.  ... Too bad, I thought information wants to be free. I wonder what Alan would say about this? ... although, if you Google "alan watts mp3 torrent" you can find thousands of Web sites that provide free downloads of Watts material. Also, you will find many hours of free Alan Watts videos on YouTube. ... So maybe it is only the Psychedelic Salon that Mark objects to. PROGRAM NOTES: [NOTE: All quotations are by Alan Watts.] "Western religions are more concerned with behavior, doctrine, and belief than with any transformation of the way in which we are aware of ourselves and our world." "And very often it seems to me that reality appears rather much as the world is seen on a bleak Monday morning." "Indeed one might say that psychoanalysis is based on Newtonian mechanics and in fact could be called psycho-hydraulics's." "If therefore, the human race is to flourish we must take charge of evolution." "As Jung once suggested, life itself is a disease with a very poor prognosis. It lingers on for years and invariably ends with death." "When somebody speaks as an authority it means they speak as the author. That's all it means." "All our images of ourselves are nothing more than caricatures. They contain no information for most of us on how we grow our brains, how we work our nerves, how we circulate our blood, how we secrete with our glands, and how we shape our bones. That isn't contained in the sensation, or the image, we call the ego. So, obviously then, the ego is not myself." "And they [fruit flies] in their world think they're as important and as civilized as we do in our world. So that if I was to wake up as a fruit fly I wouldn't feel any different as it were when I do when I wake up as a human being. I would be used to it." "In fact, it's a thoroughly good arrangement in this world that we don't remember what it was before [we incarnated as a human]. Why? Because variety is the spice of life, and if we remembered, remembered, remembered, having done this again and again and again and again, we should get bored." "There comes a point when really, if we consider what is to our true liking, we will want to forget everything that has gone before so that we can have the extraordinary experience of seeing the world once again through the eyes of a baby, whatever kind of baby. So that it's completely new, and we have all the startling wonder that a child has, all the vividness of perception, which we can't have if we remember everything forever." "So death, in a sense, is a tremendous release from monotony. It puts an interval of total forgetting in a rhythmic process of on and off on and off so that you can begin all over again and never be bored." "The universe is really a system which keeps on surprising itself." "You can't experience the feeling you call self unless it's in contrast with a feeling of other. ... Other is necessary for you to feel self." Download MP3 PCs – Right click, select option Macs – Ctrl-Click, select option Books by Alan Watts

Guest speaker: Alan Watts Alan Watts' son sent the following message requesting that his father's talks be removed from the Psychedelic Salon ... bye bye Alan! Mark Watts Said, Lorenzo if you leave the Alan Watts materials up you will be sued before this month is out. Lorenzo, my father's talks are copyright protected. Please don't post any more of his talks on your podcast and remove the ones you have in the archive. PROGRAM NOTES: If you want to listen to this talk you will have to pay his son for the privilege.  ... Too bad, I thought information wants to be free. I wonder what Alan would say about this? ... although, if you Google "alan watts mp3 torrent" you can find thousands of Web sites that provide free downloads of Watts material. Also, you will find many hours of free Alan Watts videos on YouTube. ... So maybe it is only the Psychedelic Salon that Mark objects to. PROGRAM NOTES: [NOTE: All quotations are by Alan Watts.] "So we have to think again and try and find out, think deeply, what is fundamentally taboo in this culture and perhaps in other cultures as well. What information, in other words, would really let the cat out of the bag and give away the show?" "But you see, the trouble about deep secrets is they can't be repressed indefinitely." "And we don't even think that we had anything personally to do with the fact that our fathers once had an evil gleam in their eyes, but that evil gleam was you … coming on." “And so underneath the opposition, or the polarity, between self and other or between any other pair of opposites you can think of there is something in common.” “This is the description of anxiety: Anxiety is the fear that one of a pair of opposites might cancel the other … forever." "So one of the problems of the various chemicals which can change the human mind in certain ways so that it becomes apparent that inside and outside go together is that they do rather give the show away. And people who take these chemicals and see through the human game cannot be trusted." "What you do is what the universe does, and what the universe does is also what you do." "When you are told, from childhood, that you are expected and commanded to behave in a way that will be acceptable only if you do it voluntarily you remain permanently mixed-up." "You can't have pleasure in life without skill, but it isn't an unpleasant task to learn a skill." "It's very bad form if an actor always acts the same way. That's what's called a Star, as distinct from an actor. A real actor can become anything." "LSD is simply an exploratory instrument, like a microscope or a telescope, except this one's inside you instead of outside you. And according to your capacity and knowledge, you can use a microscope or a telescope to advantage. So in the same way, according to your capacity and your knowledge you can use an interior instrument to your advantage … or just for kicks!" "The thing that we've learned from history is nobody ever learns from history." "Any law which in a way tries to enforce by the power of the state its private morals, or your own business in looking after your own nervous system, is in a fact an unenforceable law. And all unenforceable laws lead to blackmail and public demoralization." "The rule for all terrors is head straight into them. … Whenever confronted with a ghost, walk straight into it, and it will disappear." Download MP3 PCs – Right click, select option Macs – Ctrl-Click, select option   The Soft Pack on MySpace iTunes Band Website Spirit Plants Radio on the air 24/7

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Guest speaker: Aldous Huxley PROGRAM NOTES: (This program marks our third anniversary of podcasting from the Psychedelic Salon!) PROGRAM NOTES: [NOTE: All quotations below are by Aldous Huxley.] "Today we are faced, I think, with the approach of what may be called the ultimate revolution, the final revolution, where man can act directly on the mind-body of his fellows." "We are in process of developing a whole series of techniques which will enable the controlling oligarchy, who have always existed and presumably will always exist, to get people to love their servitude. This is the, it seems to me, the ultimate in malevolent revolutions." "Given the fact that there are these 20% of highly suggestible people, it becomes quite clear that this is a matter of enormous political importance, for example, any demagogue who is able to get hold of a large number of these 20% of suggestible people and to organize them is really in a position to overthrow any government in any country." "If there are 20% of the people who really can be suggested into believing almost anything, then we have to take extremely careful steps into prevent the rise of demagogues who will drive them on into extreme positions then organize them into very, very dangerous armies, private armies which may overthrow the government." "The really interesting thing about the new chemical substances, the new mind-changing drugs is this, if you looking back into history it's clear that man has always had a hankering after mind changing chemicals, he has always desired to take holidays from himself, but this is the most extraordinary effect of all that every natural occurring narcotic stimulant, sedative, or hallucinogen, was discovered before the dawn of history, I don't think there is one single one of these naturally occurring ones which modern science has discovered." "Man was apparently a dope-bag addict before he was a farmer, which is a very curious comment on human nature." "You can have an enormous revolution, for example, with LSD-25 or with the newly synthesized drug psilocybin, which is the active principal of the Mexican sacred mushroom. You can have this enormous mental revolution with no more physiological revolution than you would get from drinking two cocktails. And this is a really most extraordinary effect." "And then again, in the case of these very strange substances like psilocybin and lysergic acid, I think there is a great deal to be said for doing what William James talked about, which was getting people to realize that their ordinary, sort of common sense view of the world is not the only view. The universe they inhabit is not the only possible universe." NOTE FROM LORENZO: A few minutes after I posted this podcast on the Net, I checked my email and discovered that fellow saloner John H. sent me a link to the following video. After you listen to the talk by Aldous Huxley you may find it rewarding to view the following video and then do a little thinking about what is really going on in the U.S. today while you re-read "Brave New World". Download MP3 PCs – Right click, select option Macs – Ctrl-Click, select option Link mentioned in this podcast: The Center for Cognitive Liberty