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In this interview, Lamorna Ash, author of Don't Forget We're Here Forever: A New Generation's Search for Religion, and one of my favourite modern writers, talked about working at the Times Literary Supplement, netball, M. John Harrison, AI and the future of religion, why we should be suspicious of therapy, the Anatomy of Melancholy, the future of writing, what surprised her in the Bible, the Simpsons, the joy of Reddit, the new Pope, Harold Bloom, New Atheism's mistakes, reading J.S. Mill. I have already recommended her new book Don't Forget We're Here Forever, which Lamorna reads aloud from at the end. Full transcript below.Uploading videos onto Substack is too complicated for me (it affects podcast downloads somehow, and the instructions to avoid this problem are complicated, so I have stopped doing it), and to upload to YouTube I have to verify my account but they told me that after I tried to upload it and my phone is dead, so… here is the video embedded on this page. I could quote the whole thing. Here's one good section.Lamorna: Which one would you say I should do first after The Sea, The Sea?Henry: Maybe The Black Prince.Lamorna: The Black Prince. Great.Henry: Which is the one she wrote before The Sea, The Sea and is just a massive masterpiece.Lamorna: I'll read it. Where do you stand on therapy? Do you have a position?Henry: I think on net, it might be a bad thing, even if it is individually useful for people.Lamorna: Why is that?Henry: [laughs] I didn't expect to have to answer the question. Basically two reasons. I think it doesn't take enough account of the moral aspect of the decisions being made very often. This is all very anecdotal and you can find yourself feeling better in the short term, but not necessarily in the long-- If you make a decision that's not outrageously immoral, but which has not had enough weight placed on the moral considerations.There was an article about how lots of people cut out relatives now and the role that therapy plays in that. What I was struck by in the article that was-- Obviously, a lot of those people are justified and their relatives have been abusive or nasty, of course, but there are a lot of cases where you were like, "Well, this is a long-term decision that's been made on a short-term basis." I think in 10 years people may feel very differently. There wasn't enough consideration in the article, at least I felt, given to how any children involved would be affected later on. I think it's a good thing and a bad thing.Lamorna: I'm so with you. I think that's why, because also the fact of it being so private and it being about the individual, and I think, again, there are certain things if you're really struggling with that, it's helpful for, but I think I'm always more into the idea of communal things, like AAA and NA, which obviously a very particular. Something about doing that together, that it's collaborative and therefore there is someone else in the room if you say, "I want to cut out my parent."There's someone else who said that happened to me and it was really hard. It means that you are making those decisions together a little bit more. Therapy, I can feel that in friends and stuff that it does make us, even more, think that we are these bounded individuals when we're not.Henry: I should say, I have known people who've gone to therapy and it's worked really well.Lamorna: I'm doing therapy right now and it is good. TranscriptHenry: Today I am talking to Lamorna Ash. Lamorna is one of the rising stars of her generation. She has written a book about a fishing village in Cornwall. She's written columns for the New Statesman, of which I'm a great admirer. She works for a publisher and now she's written a book called, Don't Forget, We're Here Forever: A New Generation's Search for Religion. I found this book really compelling and I hope you will go and read it right now. Lamorna, welcome.Lamorna Ash: Thank you for having me.Henry: What was it like when you worked at the Times Literary Supplement?Lamorna: It was an amazing introduction to mostly contemporary fiction, but also so many other forms of writing I didn't know about. I went there, I actually wrote a letter, handwritten letter after my finals, saying that I'd really enjoyed this particular piece that somehow linked the anatomy of melancholy to infinite jest, and being deeply, deeply, deeply pretentious, those were my two favorite books. I thought, well, I'll apply for this magazine. I turned up there as an intern. They happened to have a space going.My job was Christmas in that I just spent my entire time unwrapping books and putting them out for editors to swoop by and take away. I'd take on people's corrections. I'd start to see how the editorial process worked. I started reading. I somehow had missed contemporary fiction. I hadn't read people like Rachel Kask or Nausgaard. I was reading them through going to the fiction pages. It made me very excited. Also, my other job whilst I was there, was I had the queries email. You'd get loads of incredibly random emails, including things like, you are cordially invited to go on the Joseph Conrad cycle tour of London. I'd ask the office, "Does anyone want to do this?" Obviously, no one ever said yes.I had this amazing year of doing really weird stuff, like going on Joseph Conrad cycling tour or going to a big talk at the comic book museum or the new advertising museum of London. I loved it. I really loved it.Henry: What was the Joseph Conrad cycling tour of London like? That sounds-Lamorna: Oh, it was so good. I remember at one point we stopped on maybe it was Blackfriars Bridge or perhaps it was Tower Bridge and just read a passage from the secret agent about the boats passing underneath. Then we'd go to parts of the docks where they believe that Conrad stayed for a while, but instead it would be some fancy youth hostel instead.It was run by the Polish Society of London, I believe-- the Polish Society of England, I believe. Again, each time it was like an excuse then to get into that writer and then write a little piece about it for the TLS. I guess, it was also, I was slightly cutting my teeth on how to do that kind of journalism as well.Henry: What do you like about The Anatomy of Melancholy?Lamorna: Almost everything. I think the prologue, Democritus Junior to the Reader is just so much fun and naughty. He says, "I'm writing about melancholy in order to try and avoid melancholy myself." There's six editions of it. He spent basically his entire life writing this book. When he made new additions to the book, rather than adding another chapter, he would often be making insertions within sentences themselves, so it becomes more and more bloated. There's something about the, what's the word for it, the ambition that I find so remarkable of every single possible version of melancholy they could talk about.Then, maybe my favorite bit, and I think about this as a writer a lot, is there's a bit called the digression of air, or perhaps it's digression on the air, where he just suddenly takes the reader soaring upwards to think about air and you sort of travel up like a hawk. It's this sort of breathing moment for a reader where you go in a slightly different direction. I think in my own writing, I always think about digression as this really valuable bit of nonfiction, this sense of, I'm not just taking you straight the way along. I think it'd be useful to go sideways a bit too.Henry: That was Samuel Johnson's favorite book as well. It's a good choice.Lamorna: Was it?Henry: Yes. He said that it was the only book that would get him out of bed in the morning.Lamorna: Really?Henry: Because he was obviously quite depressive. I think he found it useful as well as entertaining, as it were. Should netball be an Olympic sport?Lamorna: [laughs] Oh, it's already going to be my favorite interview. I think the reason it isn't an Olympic-- yes, I have a vested interest in netball and I play netball once a week. I'm not very good, but I am very enthusiastic because it's only played mostly in the Commonwealth. It was invented a year after basketball as a woman-friendly version because women should not run with the ball in case they get overexerted and we shouldn't get too close to contacting each other in case we touch, and that's awful.It really is only played in the Commonwealth. I think the reason it won't become an Olympic sport is because it's not worldwide enough, which I think is a reasonable reason. I'm not, of all the my big things that I want to protest about and care about right now, making that an Olympic sport is a-- it's reasonably low on my list.Henry: Okay, fair enough. You are an admirer of M. John Harrison's fiction, is that right?Lamorna: Yes.Henry: Tell us what should we read and why should we read him?Lamorna: You Should Come With Me Now, is that what it's called? I know I reviewed one of his books years ago and thought it was-- because he's part of that weird sci-fi group that I find really interesting and they've all got a bit of Samuel Delany to them as well. I just remember there was this one particular story in that collection, I think in general, he's a master at sci-fi that doesn't feel in that Dune way of just like, lists of names of places. It somehow has this, it's very literary, it's very odd, it's deeply imaginative. It is like what I wanted adult fiction to be when I was 12 or something, that there's the way the fantasy and imagination works.I remember there was one about all these men, married men who were disappearing into their attics and their wives thought they were just tinkering. What they were doing was building these sort of translucent tubes that were taking them off out of the world. I remember just thinking it was great. His conceits are brilliant and make so much sense, whilst also always being at an interesting slant from reality. Then, I haven't read his memoir, but I hear again and again this anti-memoir he's written. Have you read that?Henry: No.Lamorna: Apparently that's really brilliant too. Then he also, writes those about climbing. He's actually got this one foot in the slightly travel nature writing sports camp. I just always thought he was magic. I remember on Twitter, he was really magic as well. I spent a lot of time following him.Henry: Are you optimistic or pessimistic about the future of writing and literature and books and this whole debate that's going on?Lamorna: It's hard to. I don't want to say anything fast and snappy because it's such a complicated thing. I could just start by saying personally, I'm worried about me and writing because I'm worried about my concentration span. I am so aware that in the same way that a piano player has to be practising the pieces they're going to play all the time. I think partly that's writing and writing, I seem to be able to do even with this broken, distracted form of attention I've got. My reading, I don't feel like I'm getting enough in. I think that means that what I produce will necessarily be less good if I can't solve that.I've just bought a dumb phone on the internet and I hope that's going to help me by no longer having Instagram and things like that. I think, yes, I suppose we do read a bit less. The generation below us is reading less. That's a shame. There's so much more possibility to go out and meet people from different places. On an anthropological level, I think anthropology has had this brilliant turn of becoming more subjective. The places you go, you have to think about your own relationship to them. I think that can make really interesting writing. It's so different from early colonial anthropology.The fact that, I guess, through, although even as I'm saying this, I don't know enough to say it, but I was going to say something about the fact that people, because we can do things like substacks and people can do short form content, maybe that means that more people's voices are getting heard and then they can, if they want to, transfer over and write books as well.I still get excited by books all the time. There's still so much good contemporary stuff that's thrilling me from all over the place. I don't feel that concerned yet. If we all do stop writing books entirely for a year and just read all the extraordinary books that have been happening for the last couple of thousand, we'd be okay.Henry: I simultaneously see the same people complaining that everything's dying and literature is over and that we have an oversupply of books and that capitalism is giving us too many books and that's the problem. I'm like, "Guys, I think you should pick one."Lamorna: [laughs] You're not allowed both those arguments. My one is that I do think it's gross, the bit of publishing that the way that some of these books get so oddly inflated in terms of the sales around them. Then, someone is getting a million pounds for a debut, which is enormous pressure on them. Then, someone else is getting 2K. I feel like there should be, obviously, there should be a massive cap on how large an advance anyone should get, and then more people will actually be able to stay in the world of writing because they won't have to survive on pitiful advances. I think that would actually have a huge impact and we should not be giving, love David Beckham as much as I do, we shouldn't be giving him five million pounds for someone else to go to write his books. It's just crazy.Henry: Don't the sales of books like that subsidize those of us who are not getting such a big advance?Lamorna: I don't think they always do. I think that's the problem is that they do have this wealth of funds to give to celebrities and often those books don't sell either. I still think even if those books sell a huge amount of money, those people still shouldn't be getting ridiculous advances like that. They still should be thinking about young people who are important to the literary, who are going to produce books that are different and surprising and whose voices we need to hear. That feels much more important.Henry: What do you think about the idea that maybe Anglo fiction isn't at a peak? I don't necessarily agree with that, but maybe we can agree that these are not the days of George Eliot and Charles Dickens, but the essay nonfiction periodicals and writing online, this is huge now. Right? Actually, our pessimism is sort of because we're looking in the wrong area and there are other forms of writing that flourish, actually doing great on the internet.Lamorna: Yes, I think so too. Again, I don't think I'm internet worldly enough to know this, but I still find these extraordinary, super weird substats that feel exciting. I also get an enormous amount of pleasure in reading Reddit now, which I only just got into many, many years late, but so many fun, odd things. Like little essays that people write and the way that people respond to each other, which is quick and sharp, and I suppose it fills the gap of what Twitter was.I think nonfiction, I was talking about this morning, because I'm staying with some writers, because we're sort of Cornish, book talk thing together and how much exciting nonfiction has come out this year that we want to read from the UK that is hybrid-y nature travel. Then internationally, I still think there's-- I just read, Perfection by Vincenzo, but there's enough translated fiction that's on the international book list this year that gets me delighted as well. To me, I just don't feel worried about that kind of thing at all when there's so much exciting stuff happening.I love Reddit. I think they really understand things that other people don't on there. I think it's the relief now that when you type in something to Google, you get the AI response. It's something like, it's so nice to feel on Reddit that someone sat down and answered you. Maybe that's such a shame that that's what makes me happy now, that we're in that space. It does feel like someone will tell you not just the answer, but then give you a bit about their life. Then, the particular tool that was passed down by their grandparents. That's so nice.Henry: What do you think of the new Pope?Lamorna: I thought it was because I'd heard all the thing around fat Pope, thin Pope, and obviously, our new Pope is maybe a sort of middle Pope, or at least is closer to Francis, but maybe a bit more palatable to some people. I guess, I'm excited that he's going to do, or it seems like he's also taking time to think, but he's good on migration on supporting the rights of immigrants. I think there's value in the fact of him being American as this being this counterpoint to what's happening in America right now. If feels always feels pointless to say because they're almost the idea of a Pope.I guess, Francis said that, who am I to judge about people being gay, but I think this Pope has so far has been more outly against gay people, but he stood up against JD Vance and his stupid thoughts on theology. I'm quietly optimistic. I guess I'm also waiting for Robert Harris's prophecy to come true and we get an intersex Pope next. Because I think that was prophecy, right? What he wrote.Henry: That would be interesting.Lamorna: Yes.Henry: The religious revival that people say is happening, particularly among young people, how is AI going to make it different than previous religious revivals?Lamorna: Oh, that's so interesting. Maybe first of all, question, sorry, I choked on my coffee. I was slightly questioned the idea if there is a religious revival, it's not actually an argument that I made in the book. When I started writing the book, there wasn't this quiet revival or this Bible studies and survey that suggests that more young people are going to church hadn't come out yet. I was just more, I guess, aware that there were a few people around me who were converting and I thought it'd be interesting if there's a few, there'll be more, which I think probably happens in every single generation, right? Is that that's one way to deal with the longing for meaning we all experience and the struggles in our lives.I was speaking to a New York Times journalist who was questioning the stats that have been coming out because first it's incredibly small pool. It's quite self-selecting that possibly there are people who might have gone to church already. It's still such a small uptick because it makes it hard to say anything definitive. I guess in general, what will the relationship be between AI and religion?I guess, there are so many ways you could go with that. One is that those spaces, religious spaces, are nicely insulated from technology. Not everywhere. Obviously, in some places they aren't, but often it's a space in which you put your phone away. In my head, the desire to go to church is as against having to deal with AI or having to deal with technology being integrated to every other aspect of my life.I guess maybe people will start worshiping the idea of the singularity. Maybe we'll get the singularity and Terminator, or the Matrix is going to happen, and we'll call them our gods because they will feel like gods. That's maybe one option. I don't know how AI-- I guess I don't know enough about AI that maybe you'll have AI, or does this happen? Maybe this has happened already that you could have an AI confession and you'd have an AI priest and they tell you--Henry: Sure. It's huge for therapy, right?Lamorna: Yes.Henry: Which is that adjacent thing.Lamorna: That's a good point. It does feel something about-- I'm sure, theologically, it's not supposed to work if you haven't been ordained, but can an AI be ordained, become a priest?Henry: IndeedLamorna: Could they do communion? I don't know. It's fascinating.Henry: I can see a situation where a young person lives in a secular environment or culture and is interested in things and the AI is the, in some ways, easiest place for them to turn to say, "I need to talk about-- I have these weird semi-religious feelings, or I'm interested." The AI's not going to be like, "Oh, really? That's weird." There's the question of will we worship AI or whatever, but also will we get people's conversions being shaped by their therapy/confessors/whatever chat with their LLM?Lamorna: Oh, it's so interesting. I read a piece recently in the LRB by James Vincent. It was about AI relationships, our relationship with AI, and he looked at AI girlfriends. There was this incredible case, maybe you read about it, about a guy who tried to kill the Queen some years back. His defense was that his AI girlfriend had really encouraged him to do that. Then, you can see the transcripts of the text, and he says, "I'm thinking about killing the Queen." His AI girlfriend is like, "Go for it, baby."It's that thing there of like, at the moment, AI is still reflecting back our own desires or refracting almost like shifting how they're expressed. I'm trying to imagine that in the same case of me saying, "I feel really lonely, and I'm thinking about Christianity." My friend would speak with all of their context and background, and whatever they've got going on for them. Whereas an AI would feel my desire there and go, "That's a good idea. It says online this." It's very straight. It would definitely lead us in directions that feel less than human or other than human.Henry: I also have this thought, you used to, I think you still do, but you see it less. You used to get a Samaritan's Bible in every hotel. The Samaritans, will they start trying to install a religious chatbot in places where people--? There are lots of ways in which you could use it as a distribution mechanism.Lamorna: Which does feel so far from the point. Not to think about the gospels, but that feeling of something I talk about in the book is that, so much of it is human contact. Is that this factor of being changed in the moment, person to person. If I have any philosophy for life at the moment is this sense of desperately needing contact that we are saved by each other all the time, not by our telephones and things that aren't real. It's the surprise.I quote it in the book, but Iris Murdoch describes love is the very difficult realization that someone other than yourself is real. I think that's the thing that makes us all survive, is that reminder that if you're feeling deeply depressed, being like, there is someone else that is real, and they have a struggle that matters as much as mine. I think that's something that you are never going to get through a conversation with a chatbot, because it's like a therapeutic thing. You are not having to ask it the same questions, or you are not having to extend yourself to think about someone else in those conversations.Henry: Which Iris Murdoch novels do you like?Lamorna: I've only read The Sea, The Sea, but I really enjoyed it. Which ones do you like?Henry: I love The Sea, The Sea, and The Black Prince. I like the late books, like The Good Apprentice and The Philosopher's Pupil, as well. Some people tell you, "Don't read those. They're late works and they're no good," but I was obsessed. I was absolutely compelled, and they're still all in my head. They're insane.Lamorna: Oh, I must, because I've got a big collection of her essays. I'm thinking is so beautiful, her philosophical thought. It's that feeling, I know I'm going the wrong-- starting in the wrong place, but I do feel that she's someone I'd really love to explore next, kind of books.Henry: I think you'd like her because she's very interested in the question of, can therapy help, can philosophy help, can religion help? She's very dubious about therapy and philosophy, and she is mystic. There are queer characters and neurodivergent characters. For a novelist in the '70s, you read her now and you're like, "Well, this is all just happening now."Lamorna: Cool.Henry: Maybe we should be passing these books out. People need this right now.Lamorna: Which one would you say I should do first after The Sea, The Sea?Henry: Maybe The Black Prince.Lamorna: The Black Prince. Great.Henry: Which is the one she wrote before The Sea, The Sea and is just a massive masterpiece.Lamorna: I'll read it. Where do you stand on therapy? Do you have a position?Henry: I think on net, it might be a bad thing, even if it is individually useful for people.Lamorna: Why is that?Henry: [laughs] I didn't expect to have to answer the question. Basically two reasons. I think it doesn't take enough account of the moral aspect of the decisions being made very often. This is all very anecdotal and you can find yourself feeling better in the short term, but not necessarily in the long-- If you make a decision that's not outrageously immoral, but which has not had enough weight placed on the moral considerations.There was an article about how lots of people cut out relatives now and the role that therapy plays in that. What I was struck by in the article that was-- Obviously, a lot of those people are justified and their relatives have been abusive or nasty, of course, but there are a lot of cases where you were like, "Well, this is a long-term decision that's been made on a short-term basis." I think in 10 years people may feel very differently. There wasn't enough consideration in the article, at least I felt, given to how any children involved would be affected later on. I think it's a good thing and a bad thing.Lamorna: I'm so with you. I think that's why, because also the fact of it being so private and it being about the individual, and I think, again, there are certain things if you're really struggling with that, it's helpful for, but I think I'm always more into the idea of communal things, like AAA and NA, which obviously a very particular. Something about doing that together, that it's collaborative and therefore there is someone else in the room if you say, "I want to cut out my parent."There's someone else who said that happened to me and it was really hard. It means that you are making those decisions together a little bit more. Therapy, I can feel that in friends and stuff that it does make us, even more, think that we are these bounded individuals when we're not.Henry: I should say, I have known people who've gone to therapy and it's worked really well.Lamorna: I'm doing therapy right now and it is good. I think, in my head, it's like it should be one among many and I still question it whilst doing it.Henry: To the extent that there is a religious revival among "Gen Z," how much is it because they have phones? Because you wrote something like, in fact, I have the quote, "There's a sense of terrible tragedy. How can you hold this constant grief that we feel, whether it's the genocide in Gaza or climate collapse? Where do I put all the misery that I receive every single second through my phone? Church can then be a space where I can quietly go and light a candle." Is it that these young people are going to religion because the phone has really pushed a version of the world into their faces that was not present when I was young or people are older than me?Lamorna: I think it's one of, or that the phone is the symptom because the phone, whatever you call it, technology, the internet, is the thing that draws the world closer to us in so many different ways. One being that this sense of being aware of what's happening around in other places in the world, which maybe means that you become more tolerant of other religions because you're hearing about it more. That, on TikTok, there's loads of kids all across the world talking about their particular faiths and their background and which aspera they're in, and all that kind of thing.Then, this sense of horror being very unavoidable that you wake up and it is there and you wake up and you think, "What am I doing? What am I doing here? I feel completely useless." Perhaps then you end up in a church, but I'm not sure.I think a bigger player in my head is the fact that we are more pluralistic as societies. That you are more likely to encounter other religions in schools. I think then the question is, well then maybe that'll be valuable for me as well. I think also, not having parents pushing religion on you makes kids, the fact of the generation above the British people, your parents' generations, not saying religion is important, you go to church, then it becomes something people can become more curious about in their own right as adults. I think that plays into it.I think isolation plays into it and that's just not about technology and the phone, but that's the sense of-- and again, I'm thinking about early 20s, mid 20s, so adults who are moving from place to place, who maybe feel very isolated and alone, who are doing jobs that make them feel isolated and alone, and there are this dearth of community spaces and then thinking, well, didn't people used to go to churches, it would be so nice to know someone older than me.I don't know how this fits in, but I was thinking about, I saw this documentary, The Encampments, like two days ago, which is about the Columbia University encampments and within that, Mahmood Khalil, who's the one who's imprisoned at the moment, who was this amazing leader within the movement and is from Palestine. The phone in that, the sense about how it was used to gather and collect people and keep people aware of what's happening and mean that everyone is more conscious and there's a point when they need more people in the encampments because the police are going to come. It's like, "Everyone, use your phone, call people now." I think I can often be like, "Oh no, phones are terrible," but this sense within protest, within communal activity, how valuable they can be as well.I haven't quite gotten into that thought. I don't know, basically. I think it's so hard. I've grown up with a phone. I have no sense of how much it plays a part in everything about me, but obviously, it is a huge amount. I do think it's something that we all think about and are horrified by whilst also seeing it as like this weird extension of ourselves. That definitely plays into then culturally, the decisions we make to either try and avoid them, find spaces where you can be without them.Henry: How old do you think a child should be when they're first given a phone? A smartphone, like an iPhone type thing?Lamorna: I think, 21.Henry: Yes?Lamorna: No, I don't know. I obviously wouldn't know that about a child.Henry: I might.Lamorna: I'd love to. I would really love to because, I don't know, I have a few friends who weren't allowed to watch TV until they were 18 and they are eminently smarter than me and lots of my other friends. There's something about, I don't know, I hate the idea that as I'm getting older, I'm becoming more scaremongering like, "Oh no, when I was young--" because I think my generation was backed in loads of ways. This thing of kids spending so much less time outside and so much less time being able to imagine things, I think I am quite happy to say that feels like a terrible loss.I read a piece recently about kids in New York and I think they were quite sort of middle-class Brooklyn-y kids, but they choose to go days without their phones and they all go off into the forest together. There is this sense of saying giving kids autonomy, but at the same time, their relationship with a phone is not one of agency. It's them versus tech bros who have designed things that are so deeply addictive, that no adult can let go of it. Let alone a child who's still forming how to work out self-control, discipline and stuff. I think a good parenting thing would be to limit massively these completely non-neutral objects that they're given, that are made like crack and impossible to let go of.Henry: Do you think religious education in schools should be different or should there be more of it?Lamorna: Yes, I think it should be much better. I don't know about you, but I just remember doing loads of diagrams of different religious spaces like, "This is what a mosque looks like," and then I'd draw the diagram. I knew nothing. I barely knew the difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament. In fact, I probably didn't as a teenager.I remember actually in sixth form, having this great philosophy teacher who was talking about the idea of proto antisemitism within the gospels. I was like, "Wait, what?" Because I just didn't really understand. I didn't know that it was in Greek, that the Old Testament was in Hebrew. I just didn't know. I think all these holy texts that we've been carrying with us for thousands of years across the world have so much in them that's worth reading and knowing.If I was in charge of our R.E., I would get kids to write on all holy texts, but really think about them and try and answer moral problems. You'd put philosophy back with religion and really connect them and think, what is Nietzsche reacting against? What does Freud about how is this form of Christianity different like this? I think that my sense is that since Gove, but also I'm sure way before that as well, the sense of just not taking young people seriously, when actually they're thoughtful, intelligent and able to wrestle with these things, it's good for them to have know what they're choosing against, if they're not interested in religion.Also, at base, those texts are beautiful, all of them are, and are foundational and if you want to be able to study English or history to know things about religious texts and the practices of religion and how those rituals came about and how it's changed over thousands of years, feels important.Henry: Which religious poets do you like other than Hopkins? Because you write very nicely about Hopkins in the book.Lamorna: He's my favorite. I like John Donne a lot. I remember reading lots of his sermons and Lancelot Andrews' sermons at university and thinking they were just astonishingly beautiful. There are certain John Donne sermons and it's this feeling of when he takes just maybe a line from one of Paul's letters and then is able to extend it and extend it, and it's like he's making it grow in material or it's like it's a root where suddenly all these branches are coming off it.Who else do I like? I like George Herbert. Gosh, my brain is going in terms of who else was useful when I was thinking about. Oh it's gone.Henry: Do you like W.H. Auden?Lamorna: Oh yes. I love Auden, yes. I was rereading his poems about, oh what's it called? The one about Spain?Henry: Oh yes.Lamorna: About the idea of tomorrow.Henry: I don't have a memory either, but I know the poem you mean, yes.Lamorna: Okay. Then I'm trying to think of earlier religious poets. I suppose things like The Dream of the Rood and fun ways of getting into it and if you're looking at medieval poetry.Henry: I also think Betjeman is underrated for this.Lamorna: I've barely read any Betjeman.Henry: There's a poem called Christmas. You might like it.Lamorna: Okay.Henry: It's this famous line and is it true and is it true? He really gets into this thing of, "We're all unwrapping tinsely presents and I'm sitting here trying to work out if God became man." It's really good. It's really good. The other one is called Norfolk and again, another famous line, "When did the devil first attack?" It talks about puberty as the arrival of the awareness of sin and so forth.Lamorna: Oh, yes.Henry: It's great. Really, really good stuff. Do you personally believe in the resurrection?Lamorna: [chuckles] I keep being asked this.Henry: I know. I'm sorry.Lamorna: My best answer is sometimes. Because I do sometimes in that way that-- someone I interviewed who's absolutely brilliant in the book, Robert, and he's a Cambridge professor. He's a pragmatist and he talks about the idea of saying I'm a disciplined person means nothing unless you're enacting that discipline daily or it falls away. For him, that belief in a Kierkegaardian leap way is something that needs to be reenacted in every moment to say, I believe and mean it.I think there are moments when my church attendance is better and I'm listening to a reading that's from Acts or whatever and understanding the sense of those moments, Paul traveling around Europe and Asia Minor, only because he fully believed that this is what's happened. Those letters and as you're reading those letters, the way I read literature or biblical writing is to believe in that moment because for that person, they believe too. I think there are points at which the resurrection can feel true to me, but it does feel like I'm accessing that idea of truth in a different way than I am accessing truth about-- it's close to how I think about love as something that's very, very real, but very different from experiential feelings.I had something else I wanted to say about that and it's just gone. Oh yes. I was at Hay Festival a couple of weeks ago. Do you know the Philosopher Agnes Callard?Henry: Oh, sure.Lamorna: She gave a really great talk about Socrates and her love of Socrates, but she also came to my talk and she and her husband, who I think met through arguing about Aristotle, told me they argued for about half a day about a line I'd said, which was that during writing the book, I'd learned to believe in the belief of other people, her husband was like, "You can't believe in the belief of other people if you don't believe it too. That doesn't work. That doesn't make sense." I was like, "That's so interesting." I can so feel that if we're taking that analytically, that if I say I don't believe in the resurrection, not just that I believe you believe it, but I believe in your belief in the resurrection. At what point is that any different from saying, I believe in the resurrection. I feel like I need to spend more time with it. What the slight gap is there that I don't have that someone else does, or as I say it, do I then believe in the resurrection that moment? I'm not sure.I think also what I'm doing right now is trying to sound all clever with it, whereas for other people it's this deep ingrained truth that governs every moment of their life and that they can feel everywhere, or perhaps they can't. Perhaps there's more doubt than they suggest, which I think is the case with lots of us. Say on the deathbed, someone saying that they fully believe in the resurrection because that means there's eternal salvation, and their family believe in that too. I don't think I have that kind of certainty, but I admire it.Henry: Tell me how you got the title for this book from an episode of The Simpsons.Lamorna: It's really good app. It's from When Maggie Makes Three, which is my favorite episode. I think titles are horribly hard. I really struck my first book. I would have these sleepless nights just thinking about words related to the sea, and be like, blue something. I don't know. There was a point where my editor wanted to call it Trawler Girl. I said, "We mustn't. That's awful. That's so bad. It makes me sound like a terrible superhero. I'm not a girl, I'm a woman."With this one, I think it was my fun title for ages. Yes, it's this plaque that Homer has put-- Mr. Burns puts up this plaque to remind him that he will never get to leave the power plant, "Don't forget you're here forever."I just think it's a strong and bonkers line. I think it had this element of play or silliness that I wanted, that I didn't think about too hard. I guess that's an evangelical Christian underneath what they're actually saying is saying-- not all evangelicals, but often is this sense of no, no, no, we are here forever. You are going to live forever. That is what heaven means.That sense of then saying it in this jokey way. I think church is often very funny spaces, and funny things happen. They make good comedy series when you talk about faith.Someone's saying she don't forget we're here forever. The don't forget makes it so colloquial and silly. I just thought it was a funny line for that reason.Then also that question people always ask, "Is religion going to die out?" I thought that played into it. This feeling that, yes, I write about it. There was a point when I was going to an Extinction Rebellion protest, and everyone was marching along with that symbol of the hourglass inside a circle next to a man who had a huge sign saying, "Stop, look, hell is real, the end of the world is coming." This sense of different forms of apocalyptic thinking that are everywhere at the moment. I felt like the title worked for that as well.Henry: I like that episode of The Simpsons because it's an expression of an old idea where he's doing something boring and his life is going to slip away bit by bit. The don't forget you're here forever is supposed to make that worse, but he turns it round into the live like you're going to die tomorrow philosophy and makes his own kind of meaning out of it.Lamorna: By papering it over here with pictures of Maggie. They love wordplay, the writers of The Simpsons, and so that it reads, "Do it for her," instead. That feeling of-- I think that with faith as well of, don't forget we're here forever, think about heaven when actually so much of our life is about papering it over with humanity and being like, "Does it matter? I'm with you right now, and that's what matters." That immediacy of human contact that church is also really about, that joy in the moment. Where it doesn't really matter in that second if you're going to heaven or hell, or if that exists. You're there together, and it's euphoric, or at least it's a relief or comforting.Henry: You did a lot of Bible study and bible reading to write this book. What were the big surprises for you?Lamorna: [chuckles] This is really the ending, but revelation, I don't really think it's very well written at all. It shouldn't be in there, possibly. It's just not [unintelligible 00:39:20] It got added right in the last minute. I guess it should be in there. I just don't know. What can I say?So much of it was a surprise. I think slowly reading the Psalms was a lovely surprise for me because they contain so much uncertainty and anguish, and doubt. Imagining those being read aloud to me always felt like a very exciting thing.Henry: Did you read them aloud?Lamorna: When I go to more Anglo Catholic services, they tend to do them-- I never know how to pronounce this. Antiphonally.Henry: Oh yes.Lamorna: Back and forth between you. It's very reverential, lovely experience to do that. I really think I was surprised by almost everything I was reading. At the start of Kierkegaard's Fear and Trembling, he does this amazing thing where he does four different versions of what could be happening in the Isaac and Abraham story underneath.There's this sense of in the Bible, and I'm going to get this wrong, but in Mimesis, Auerbach talks about the way that you're not given the psychological understanding within the Bible. There's so much space for readers to think with, because you're just being told things that happened, and the story moves on quickly, moment by moment. With Isaac and Abraham, what it would mean if Isaac actually had seen the fact that his father was planning to kill him. Would he then lose his faith? All these different scenarios.I suddenly realised that the Bible was not just a fixed text, but there was space to play with it as well. In the book, I use the story of Jacob and the angel and play around with the meaning of that and what would happen after this encounter between Jacob and an angel for both of them.Bits in the Gospels, I love the story of the Gerasene Demoniac. He was a knight. He was very unwell, and no one knew what to do with him. He was ostracised from his community. He would sit in this cave and scream and lacerate himself against the cave walls. Then Jesus comes to him and speaks to him and speaks to the demons inside him. There's this thing in Mark's Gospel that Harold Bloom talks about, where only demons are actually able to perceive. Most people have to ask Christ who he really is, but demons can perceive him immediately and know he's the son of God.The demons say that they are legion. Then Jesus puts them into 1,000 pigs. Is it more? I can't remember. Then they're sent off over the cliff edge. Then the man is made whole and is able to go back to his community. I just think there's just so much in that. It's so rich and strange. I think, yes, there's something about knowing you could sit down and just read a tiny bit of the Bible and find something strange and unusual that also might speak to something you've read that's from thousands of years later.I also didn't know that in Mark's Gospel, the last part of it is addended, added on to it. Before that, it ended with the women being afraid, seeing the empty tomb, but there's no resolution. There's no sense of Christ coming back as spirit. It ended in this deep uncertainty and fear. I thought that was so fascinating because then again, it reminds you that those texts have been played around with and thought with, and meddled with, and changed over time. It takes away from the idea that it's fixed and certain, the Bible.Henry: What did you think of Harold Bloom's book The Shadow of a Great Rock?Lamorna: I really loved it. He says that he treats Shakespeare more religiously and the Bible more like literature, which I found a funny, irreverent thing to say. There's lovely stuff in there where, I think it was Ruth, he was like, maybe it was written by a woman. He takes you through the different Hebrew writers for Genesis. Which again, becoming at this as such a novice in so many ways, realising that, okay, so when it's Yahweh, it's one particular writer, there's the priestly source for particular kinds of writing. The Yahwist is more ironic, or the God you get is more playful.That was this key into thinking about how each person trying to write about God, it's still them and their sense of the world, which is particular and idiosyncratic is forming the messages that they believe they're receiving from God. I found that exciting.Yes, he's got this line. He's talking about the blessings that God gives to men in Genesis. He's trying to understand, Bloom, what the meaning of a blessing is. He describes it as more life into a time without boundaries. That's a line that I just found so beautiful, and always think about what the meaning of that is. I write it in the book.My best friend, Sammy, who's just the most game person in the world, that you tell them anything, they're like, "Cool." I told them that line. They were like, "I'm getting it tattooed on my arm next week." Then got me to write in my handwriting. I can only write in my handwriting, but write down, "More time into life without boundaries." Now they've just got it on their arm.Henry: Nice.Lamorna: I really like. They're Jewish, non-practicing. They're not that really interested in it. They were like, "That's a good line to keep somewhere."Henry: I think it's actually one of Bloom's best books. There's a lot of discussion about, is he good? Is he not good? I love that book because it really just introduces people to the Bible and to different versions of the Bible. He does all that Harold Bloom stuff where he's like, "These are the only good lines in this particular translation of this section. The rest is so much dross.He's really attentive to the differences between the translations, both theologically but also aesthetically. I think a lot of people don't know the Bible. It's a really good way to get started on a-- sitting down and reading the Bible in order. It's going to fail for a lot of people. Harold Bloom is a good introduction that actually gives you a lot of the Bible itself.Lamorna: For sure, because it's got that midrash feeling of being like someone else working around it, which then helps you get inside it. I was reading that book whilst going to these Bible studies at a conservative evangelical church called All Souls. I wasn't understanding what on earth was going on in Mark through the way that we're being told to read it, which is kids' comprehension.Maybe it was useful to think about why would the people have been afraid when Christ quelled the storms? It was doing something, but there was no sense of getting inside the text. Then, to read alongside that, Bloom saying that the Christ in Mark is the most unknowable of all the versions of Christ. Then again, just thinking, "Oh, hang on." There's an author. The author of Mark's gospel is perceiving Christ in a particular way. This is the first of the gospels writing about Christ. What does it mean? He's unknowable. Suddenly thinking of him as a character, and therefore thinking about how people are relating to him. It totally cracks the text open for you.Henry: Do you think denominational differences are still important? Do most people have actual differences in dogma, or are they just more cultural distinctions?Lamorna: They're ritual distinctions. There really is little that you could compare between a Quaker meeting and a Catholic service. That silence is the fundamental aspect of all of it. There's a sense of enlighten.My Quaker mate, Lawrence, he's an atheist, but he wouldn't go to another church service because he's so against the idea of hierarchy and someone speaking from a pulpit. He's like, honestly, the reincarnated spirit of George Fox in many ways, in lots of ways he's not.I guess it becomes more blurry because, yes, there's this big thing in the early 20th century in Britain anyway, where the line that becomes more significant is conservative liberal. It's very strange that that's how our world gets divided. There's real simplification that perhaps then, a liberal Anglican church and a liberal Catholic church have more in relationship than a conservative Catholic church and a conservative evangelical church. The line that is often thinking about sexuality and marriage.I was interested, people have suddenly was called up in my book that I talk about sex a lot. I think it's because sex comes up so much, it feels hard not to. That does seem to be more important than denominational differences in some ways. I do think there's something really interesting in this idea of-- Oh, [unintelligible 00:48:17] got stung. God, this is a bit dramatic. Sorry, I choked on coffee earlier. Now I'm going to get stung by a bee.Henry: This is good. This is what makes a podcast fun. What next?Lamorna: You don't get this in the BBC studios. Maybe you do. Oh, what was I about to say? Oh, yes. I like the idea of church shopping. People saying that often it speaks to the person they are, what they're looking for in a church. I think it's delightful to me that there's such a broad church, and there's so many different spaces that you can go into to discover the church that's right for you. Sorry. I'm really distracted by this wasp or bee. Anyway.Henry: How easy was it to get people to be honest with you?Lamorna: I don't know. I think that there's certain questions that do tunnel right through to the heart of things. Faith seems to be one of them. When you talk about faith with people, you're getting rid of quite a lot of the chaff around with the politeness or whatever niceties that you'd usually speak about.I was talking about this with another friend who's been doing this. He's doing a play about Grindr. He was talking about how strange it is that when you ask to interview someone and you have a dictaphone there, you do get a deeper instant conversation. Again, it's a bit like a therapeutic conversation where someone has said to you, "I'm just going to sit and listen." You've already agreed, and you know it's going to be in a book. "Do you mind talking about this thing?"That just allows this opportunity for people to be more honest because they're aware that the person there is actually wanting to listen. It's so hard to create spaces. I create a cordon and say, "We're going to have a serious conversation now." Often, that feels very artificial. I think yes, the beauty of getting to sit there with a dictaphone on your notebook is you are like, "I really am interested in this. It really matters to me." I guess it feels easy in that way to get honesty.Obviously, we're all constructing a version of ourselves for each other all the time. It's hard for me to know to what extent they're responding to what they're getting from me, and what they think I want to hear. If someone else interviewed them, they would probably get something quite different. I don't know. I think if you come to be with openness, and you talk a bit about your journey, then often people want to speak about it as well.I'm trying to think. I've rarely interviewed someone where I haven't felt this slightly glowy, shimmery sense of it, or what I'm learning feels new and feels very true. I felt the same with Cornish Fisherman, that there was this real honesty in these conversations. Many years ago, I remember I got really obsessed with interviewing my mom. I think I was just always wanting to practice interviewing. The same thing that if there's this object between you, it shifts the dimensions of the conversation and tends towards seriousness.Henry: How sudden are most people's conversions?Lamorna: Really depends. I was in this conversation with someone the other day. When she was 14, 15, she got caught shoplifting. She literally went, "Oh, if there's a God up there, can you help get me out of the situation?" The guy let her go, and she's been a Christian ever since. She had an instantaneous conversion. Someone I interviewed in the book, and he was a really thoughtful card-carrying atheist. He had his [unintelligible 00:51:58] in his back pocket.He hated the Christians and would always have a go at them at school because he thought it was silly, their belief. Then he had this instant conversion that feels very charismatic in form, where he was just walking down an avenue of trees at school, and he felt the entire universe smiling at him and went, "Oh s**t, I better become a Christian."Again, I wonder if it depends. I could say it depends on the person you are, whether you are capable of having an instant conversion. Perhaps if I were in a religious frame of mind, I'd say it depends on what God would want from you. Do you need an instant conversion, or do you need to very slowly have the well filling up?I really liked when a priest said to me that people often go to church and expect to be changed in a moment. He's like, "No, you have to go for 20 years before anything happens." Something about that slow incremental conversion to me is more satisfying. It's funny, I was having a conversation with someone about if they believe in ghosts, and they were like, "Well, if I saw one, then I believe in ghosts." For some people, transcendental things happen instantaneously, and it does change them ultimately instantly.I don't know, I would love to see some stats about which kinds of conversions are more popular, probably more instant ones. I love, and I use it in the book, but William James' Varieties of Religious Experience. He talks about there's some people who are sick-souled or who are also more porous bordered people for whom strange things can more easily cross the borders of their person. They're more likely to convert and more likely to see things.I really like him describing it that way because often someone who's like that, it might just be described as well, you have a mental illness. That some people are-- I don't know, they've got sharper antennae than the rest of us. I think that is an interesting thought for why some people can convert instantly.Henry: I think all conversions take a long time. At the moment, there's often a pivotal moment, but there's something a long time before or after that, that may or may not look a conversion, but which is an inevitable part of the process. I'm slightly obsessed with the idea of quests, but I think all conversions are a quest or a pilgrimage. Your book is basically a quest narrative. As you go around in your Toyota, visiting these places. I'm suspicious, I think the immediate moment is bundled up with a longer-term thing very often, but it's not easy to see it.Lamorna: I love that. I've thought about the long tail afterwards, but I hadn't thought about the lead-up, the idea of that. Of what little things are changing. That's such a lovely thought. Their conversions began from birth, maybe.Henry: The shoplifter, it doesn't look like that's where they're heading. In retrospect, you can see that there weren't that many ways out of this path that they're on. Malcolm X is like this. One way of reading his autobiography is as a coming-of-age story. Another way of reading it is, when is this guy going to convert? This is going to happen.Lamorna: I really like that. Then there's also that sense of how fixed the conversion is, as well, from moment to moment. That Adam Phillips' book on wanting to change, he talks about our desire for change often outstrips our capacity for change. That sense of how changed am I afterwards? How much does my conversion last in every moment? It goes back to the do you believe in the resurrection thing.I find that that really weird thing about writing a book is, it is partly a construction. You've got the eye in there. You're creating something that is different from your reality and fixed, and you're in charge of it. It's stable, it remains, and you come to an ending. Then your life continues to divert and deviate in loads of different ways. It's such a strange thing in that way. Every conversion narrative we have fixed in writing, be it Augustine or Paul, whatever, is so far from the reality of that person's experience.Henry: What did the new atheists get wrong?Lamorna: Arrogance. They were arrogant. Although I wonder, I guess it was such a cultural moment, and perhaps in the same way that everyone is in the media, very excitedly talking about revival now. There was something that was created around them as well, which was delight in this sense of the end of something. I wonder how much of that was them and how much of it was, they were being carried along by this cultural media movement.I suppose the thing that always gets said, and I haven't read enough Dawkins to say this with any authority, but is that the form of religion that he was attempting to denigrate was a very basic form of Christianity, a real, simplified sense. That he did that with all forms of religion. Scientific progress shows us we've progressed beyond this point, and we don't need this, and it's silly and foolish.I guess he underestimated the depth and richness of religion, and also the fact of this idea of historical progress, when the people in the past were foolish, when they were as bright and stupid as we are now.Henry: I think they believed in the secularization idea. People like Rodney Stark and others were pointing out that it's not really true that we secularized a lot more consistency. John Gray, the whole world is actually very religious. This led them away from John Stuart Mill-type thinking about theism. I think everyone should read more John Stuart Mill, but they particularly should have read the theism essays. That would have been--Lamorna: I've only just got into him because I love the LRB Close Reading podcast. It's Jonathan Rée and James Wood. They did one on John Stuart Mill's autobiography, which I've since been reading. It's an-Henry: It's a great book.Lamorna: -amazing book. His crisis is one of-- He says, "The question of religion is not something that has been a part of my life, but the sense of being so deeply learned." His dad was like, "No poetry." In his crisis moment, suddenly realizing that that's what he needed. He was missing feeling, or he was missing a way of looking at the world that had questioning and doubt within it through poetry.There was a bit in the autobiography, and he talks about when he was in this deep depression, whenever he was at 19 or something. That he was so depressed that he thought if there's a certain number of musical notes, one day there will be no more new music because every single combination will have been done. The sense of, it's so sweetly awful thinking, but without the sense-- I'm not sure what I'm trying to say here.I found his crisis so fascinating to read about and how he comes out of that through this care and attention of beautiful literature and thinking, and through his love of-- What was his wife called again?Henry: Harriet.Lamorna: Harriet. He credits her for almost all his thinking. He wouldn't have moved towards socialism without her. Suddenly, humans are deeply important to him. He feels sorry for the fact that his dad could not express love or take love from him, and that that was such a terrible deficiency in his life.Henry: Mill's interesting on religion because he looks very secular. In fact, if you read his letters, he's often going into churches.Lamorna: Oh, really?Henry: Yes, when he's in Italy, because he had tuberculosis. He had to be abroad a lot. He's always going to services at Easter and going into the churches. For a secular person, he really appreciates all these aspects of religion. His stepdaughter was-- there's a diary of hers in their archives. She was very religious, very intense. As a young woman, when she's 16, 17, intensely Catholic or Anglo-Catholic. Really, it's quite startling.I was reading this thing, and I was like, "Wait, who in the Mill household is writing this? This is insane." There are actually references in his letters where he says, "Oh, we'll have to arrive in time for Good Friday so that she can go to church." He's very attentive to it. Then he writes these theism essays, right at the end of his life. He's very open-minded and very interrogatory of the idea. He really wants to understand. He's not a new atheist at all.Lamorna: Oh, okay. I need to read the deism essays.Henry: You're going to love it. It's very aligned. What hymns do you like?Lamorna: Oh, no.Henry: You can be not a hymn person.Lamorna: No. I'm not a massive hymn person. When I'm in church, the Anglican church that I go to in London now, I always think, "Remember that. That was a really nice one." I like to be a pilgrim. I really don't have the brain that can do this off the cuff. I'm not very musically. I'm deeply unmusical.There was one that I was thinking of. I think it's an Irish one. I feel like I wrote this down at one point, because I thought I might be asked in another interview. I had to write down what I thought in case a hymn that I liked. Which sounds a bit like a politician, when they're asked a question, they're like, "I love football." I actually can't think of any. I'm sorry.Henry: No, that's fine.Lamorna: What are your best? Maybe that will spark something in me.Henry: I like Tell Out My Soul. Do you know that one?Lamorna: Oh, [sings] Tell Out My Soul. That's a good one.Henry: If you have a full church and people are really going for it, that can be amazing. I like all the classics. I don't have any unusual choices. Tell Out My Soul, it's a great one. Lamorna Ash, this has been great. Thank you very much.Lamorna: Thank you.Henry: To close, I think you're going to read us a passage from your book.Lamorna: I am.Henry: This is near the end. It's about the Bible.Lamorna: Yes. Thank you so much. This has definitely been my favourite interview.Henry: Oh, good.Lamorna: I really enjoyed it. It's really fun.Henry: Thank you.Lamorna: Yes, this is right near the end. This is when I ended up at a church, St Luke's, West Holloway. It was a very small 9:00 AM service. Whilst the priest who'd stepped in to read because the actual priest had left, was reading, I just kept thinking about all the stories that I'd heard and wondering about the Bible and how the choices behind where it ends, where it ends.I don't think I understand why the Bible ends where it does. The final lines of the book of Revelation are, "He who testifies to these things says, Yes, I am coming soon. Amen. Come, Lord Jesus, the grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen." Which does sound like a to-be-continued. I don't mean the Bible feels incomplete because it ends with Revelation. What I mean is, if we have continued to hear God and wrestle with him and his emissaries ever since the first overtures of the Christian faith sounded.Why do we not treat these encounters with the same reverence as the works assembled in the New Testament? Why have we let our holy text grow so antique and untouchable instead of allowing them to expand like a divine Wikipedia updated in perpetuity? That way, each angelic struggle and Damascene conversion that has ever occurred or one day will, would become part of its fabric.In this Borgesian Bible, we would have the Gospel of Mary, not a fictitious biography constructed by a man a century after her death, but her true words. We would have the conversion of the Ethiopian eunuch on the road between Jerusalem and Gaza from Acts, but this time given in the first person. We would have descriptions from the Picts on Iona of the Irish Saint Columba appearing in a rowboat over the horizon.We would have the Gospels of those from the early Eastern Orthodox churches, Assyrian Gospels, Syriac Orthodox Gospels. We would have records of the crusades from the Christian soldiers sent out through Europe to Jerusalem in order to massacre those of other faiths, both Muslim and Jewish. In reading these accounts, we would be forced to confront the ways in which scripture can be interpreted
“In the analysis, the place where you face the experience of otherness, of foreignness, of the unconscious that goes through you, it doesn't appear as knowledge. Of course, in an analysis, you get a lot of knowledge, but it's not an important aspect of an analysis. I think that in the analysis, and that's the idea of using that word ‘transmission' instead of ‘teaching', what you receive is something that the analyst doesn't have. When you receive some knowledge from a teacher, you receive the knowledge the teacher has. When you transmit something, or when you receive something that has been transmitted by the analyst or by the psychoanalytical setting, is something that the other doesn't have. It's a kind of void. It's a kind of fire. It's like the baton that every runner passes to others in a relay race. It is something more difficult to be grasped with words, is something elusive to words, but it does exist.” Episode Description: We begin with describing the 'necessary foreignness' of psychoanalysis, "It is from both a foreign perspective and foreign listening that makes it possible to notice the concealed underpinnings, to discover the new, and to express the unexpressed." We consider the clinical asymmetry that allows for the patient's unbridled freedom to think and speak the unspeakable. Educationally, Mariano discusses the essential transmission of analytic experience as contrasted with the teaching of knowledge - a distinction between science and mystery. He shares his thoughts on eclectisism, hypothesis testing and risk. We close with recognizing that the "anachronistic method of psychoanalytic listening is the most authentic way of being contemporary." Our Guest: Mariano Horenstein, PhD is a training and supervising analyst who belongs to the IPA, FEPAL (Latin American Psychoanalytical Federation), and the international research group "Geographies of Psychoanalysis". He is an IPA Board member and a former chief editor of Calibán, the official Journal of FEPAL. Former Training Director of APC (Argentina). His articles have been translated into Portuguese, English, Farsi, French, Russian, Italian, Portuguese and German. Author of four books :Psychoanalysis in Minor Language, The Compass and the Couch. Psychoanalysis and its Necessary Foreignness, Funambulistas. Travesía adolescente y riesgo and Artists, Writers and Philosophers on Psychoanalysis. From the Couch. He has received international awards as M. Bergwerk (about the clinic forms of Evil), Lucien Freud (about Psychoanalysis and Culture); Elise Hayman Award for the study of Holocaust and Genocide (given by the IPA); A. Garma (given by the Spanish Association of Neuropsychiatry); the FEPAL Award and Carolina Zamora Award (given by Madrid Psychoanalytical Association). http://www.marianohorenstein.com/ Recommended Readings: Horenstein, Mariano, The compass and the couch. Psychoanalysis and its necessary foreignness, Mimesis, Milan, 2018. Horenstein, Mariano, Artists, writers and philosophers on Psychoanalysis. From the couch, Routledge, London, 2024. Horenstein, Mariano, Psicoanálisis en lengua menor, Viento de Fondo, Córdoba, 2015. Preta, Lorena (ed), Dislocated subject, Mimesis, Milan, 2018. Preta, Lorena (ed), Geographies of Psychoanalysis, Mimesis, Milan, 2015. Preta, Lorena, The brutality of things. Psychic transformations of reality, Mimesis, Milan, 2019. Wohlfarth, I., Hombres del extranjero. Walter Benjamin y el Parnaso judeoalemán, Taurus, CDMX, 2014.
Miriam Gómez Peralta –más conocida en redes como Miriam Mimesis– es una mujer luminiscente. Ha conseguido fusionar con éxito sus dos mundos: el de la arquitectura técnica y el interiorismo con el de la comunicación en redes sociales, siendo una referente en YouTube que educa e inspira a 285.000 personas. En esta conversación, Miriam comparte cómo ha navegado su carrera en un sector técnico y mayoritariamente masculino, por qué ha decidido no abandonar la obra a pesar de su éxito digital y cómo usa sus plataformas para reivindicar el valor profesional de las disciplinas creativas, especialmente el interiorismo.Este episodio te aportará información de valor sobre marca personal y visibilidad en redes sociales. Si amas la arquitectura, el diseño de interiores, o simplemente buscas hacer crecer tu visibilidad profesional sin renunciar a lo que eres, este episodio es para ti.Puedes encontrar a Miriam Mimesis en:https://miriammimesis.com/https://www.instagram.com/miriammimesis/https://www.youtube.com/@MiriamMimesisSuscríbete y activa las notificaciones para estar al tanto de los episodios de la 6ª temporada.Suscríbete a nuestra newsletter en https://www.luminiscenciadeltalento.com/ Súmate a la conversación en Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/luminiscenciadeltalentohttps://www.instagram.com/tanialasanta/https://www.instagram.com/coricaestudio********************************Expande tu negocio y tu carrera a través de la Luminiscencia del Talento®️: el método con base científica que te lleva a triunfar siendo tú misma. Tu luminiscencia es tu capacidad única de emitir luz a raíz de las circunstancias vitales que la activan. Al contrario del brillo, que depende de la mirada externa, tu luminiscencia te devuelve tu poder personal.En este podcast exploramos las historias de mujeres que han llegado a su propia versión del éxito a través de su luminiscencia. De la mano de Tania Lasanta, CEO de Córica Grupo Empresarial y fundadora de Tania Lasanta®️, Luminiscencia del Talento®️ y Córica™️ Estudio. Mentora de ventas y estrategia de negocio de mujeres líderes, a través de sus programas, mentorías y servicios ayuda a mujeres líderes a alcanzar la facturación y posicionamiento que desean, en https://www.tanialasanta.com/
13 février 2025Rencontre avec Claudio D'AURIZIO autour de Gilles DeleuzeEn conversation avec Daniela ANGELUCCI et Fabrizio PALOMBIClaudio D'Aurizio est auteur de l'essai Una filosofia della piega éditions Mimesis et traducteur de Sulla pittura éditions EinaudiUna filosofia della piega - Saggio su Gilles DeleuzeL'ouvrage retrace rétroactivement l'ensemble du parcours philosophique de Gilles Deleuze (1925-1995) à la lumière du concept de pli, et se divise en deux parties qui abordent, sous des angles différents, la fonction de cette notion dans l'évolution de sa pensée. Una filosofia della piega offre au lecteur un riche parcours théorique qui participe au débat sur l'héritage et la pertinence de la pensée de l'un des plus importants intellectuels français du XXe siècle.Sulla pittura - Corso marzo-maggio 1981Par David LapoujadeTraduction de Claudio D'AurizioDe 1970 à 1987, Gilles Deleuze a enseigné un cours hebdomadaire de philosophie à l'Université expérimentale de Vincennes, transférée à Saint-Denis en 1980. Les huit conférences données par le philosophe français entre mars et juin 1981, transcrites et annotées dans ce volume, sont entièrement consacrées au problème de la peinture. Cézanne, Van Gogh, Michel-Ange, Turner, Klee, Mondrian, Pollock, Bacon, Delacroix, Gauguin ou Caravage constituent pour Deleuze autant d'occasions de discuter de concepts philosophiques fondamentaux tels que code, diagramme, figure, analogie, modulation. Avec ses étudiants, le philosophe français repense radicalement les concepts qui constituent habituellement la base de notre compréhension de l'activité créatrice des peintres.Claudio D'Aurizio est titulaire d'un doctorat en études humanistes en co-direction de l'Université de Calabre et de l'Université de Reims Champagne-Ardenne. Professeur de philosophie théorique à l'Université de Calabre, secrétaire de rédaction de la revue L'inconscio, il a traduit David Lapoujade, Deleuze. Mouvements aberrants (2020) et Alain Badiou, Nietzsche. Antiphilosophie 1 (2022). Il traite de la philosophie moderne et contemporaine et de son intersection avec la littérature, la psychanalyse, l'art.Daniela Angelucci enseigne l'esthétique à l'Université de Roma Tre. Ses principaux domaines d'intérêt comprennent la théorie de l'image et la philosophie du cinéma.Fabrizio Palombi est professeur associé de philosophie théorique à l'Université de Calabre, professeur à l'Institut pour la clinique des liens sociaux et directeur de L'inconscio.
A celebration of Erich Auerbach's masterpiece Mimesis: The Representation of Reality in Western Literature, in light of the last decade's institutional conspiracy to shrink reality in Western media, which hits a grotesque low in Netflix's Adolescence. Guest starring Yeerk of the Bistro Californium podcast For double the adventures, plus regular smoke breaks and access to our next live event HIVE this June, subscribe to the show at patreon.com/filthyarmenian Follow on X/insta @filthyarmenian
Condividiamo la conferenza “Paul Valéry e il Metodo di Leonardo Da Vinci” tenuta dal Professore e dalla Dott.ssa Bottacin-Cantoni lo scorso 25 ottobre per il Festival dell'editore Mimesis.
Oggi a Cult: Cristina Giudici e Fabio Poletti sul libro "Vita e libertà contro il fondamentalismo" (Mimesis); Francesca Avanzini sul suo libro "Non lontano da qui" (Lapis); "Il nome della rosa" di Francesco Filidei debutta al Teatro alla Scala, per la regia di Damiano Micheletto; la rubrica di lirica a cura di Giovanni Chiodi...
Alessandro Lolli"Storia della fama"Genesi di otto miliardi di celebritàeffequ edizioniwww.effequ.itLa massima di Andy Warhol si è avverata al contrario, in modo imprevedibile anche per un genio che tuttavia viveva nel mondo dei mass media ‘top down': non quindici minuti di fama per ciascuno, ma ciascuno famoso per almeno quindici persone, e per tutta la vita.Il concetto di fama ha una lunga storia che ha subìto almeno due accelerazioni decisive nel corso degli ultimi anni: la prima con il divismo e la nascita della celebrità moderna, la seconda con l'avvento dei social network. In questo libro il concetto di fama diventa essenziale per definire la mutazione antropologica imposta dalle nuove forme di socialità virtuale, e va a prendere il posto di analogie di ordine psicologico come narcisismo, egocentrismo, mitomania spesso adoperate confusamente per descrivere il nostro comportamento su internet. Gran parte dell'umanità è in realtà immersa in quella che prima di essere una condizione psicologica è una condizione sociale: la prospettiva di una celebrità allargata all'umanità intera. E le conseguenze di questa intuizione sono espresse in ciò che viviamo oggi, anche in senso politico.Alessandro Lolli, dopo il saggio cult La guerra dei meme, allarga la prospettiva della sua analisi donandoci un testo in grado di rivoluzionare il nostro modo di concepire la comunicazione e la relazione umana.Alessandro Lolli, scrive di cultura, politica, società e nuovi media. Suoi saggi compaiono su «Il Tascabile» e «Not» e in antologie come Guida all'immaginario Nerd (Odoya 2019), The Game Unplugged (Einaudi 2019) e (S)Comunicazione e pandemia (Mimesis 2023). Il suo libro La guerra dei meme (effequ 2017, nuova edizione 2020) è il primo e più riconosciuto saggio sulla semiotica e la politica rapportata ai meme e alla sociologia del web, da anni usato anche come testo centrale di tesi di laurea e approfondimenti in campo di studi culturali.IL POSTO DELLE PAROLEascoltare fa pensarewww.ilpostodelleparole.itDiventa un supporter di questo podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/il-posto-delle-parole--1487855/support.
现实和虚拟的边界在哪?我还能否相信被赋予的认同感,和被消费的爱?一篇发表在《自然-通讯》上的研究表明:人每天会产生超过6000个”想法“(https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-17255-9)。你有没有想过,这些想法有多少是你自己产生的,又有多少是你所接收到信息赋予你的?你有没有听过高水平的辩论赛,辩手的一席话似乎就足以让观众的想法180度转向。那么什么是真实?为什么宗教的世界观对于信徒来说切实存在,而对于无神论者又难以共情?对于一个人来说是真实的东西,另一个人看来却仿佛可笑?你有没有喜欢上过一个电影、动漫、游戏中的人物,觉得他们就在自己身边?或者对一个品牌产生好感甚至忠诚,觉得这是自己向往的生活方式?这又和信徒有什么区别?现实与虚构的边界似乎没有我们想象的那么清晰。而这些思辨似乎都会指向一个问题,”相信“是什么?本期节目,我们有幸邀请到了弗吉尼亚理工大学宗教与文化系副教授,倪湛舸老师对谈,来和她一起从人文学者的角度聊聊现实和虚构的边界在哪里?我们又是如何“相信”的?本期你会听到倪湛舸弗吉尼亚理工大学宗教与文化系副教授芝加哥大学宗教与文学博士、前哈佛大学神学院客座研究员著有学术专著*The Pagan Writes Back*,并创作出版过多部诗集、随笔集,以及历史小说《莫须有》近期研究关注中国宗教与网络小说李天宇大白媒介研究者(主要兴趣:科技史、动画与电子游戏)李天域Jack主业有三家公司,主要在服装行业,目前年营收超过千万在这段对话中,我们从事实信念、虚构想象、宗教信仰这三种经常叠加在一起的”相信“是什么开始聊起,聊到了:宗教和科学控制人们认识世界的方式?商业、品牌、文化作品等如何通过“相信”来控制你的钱包、劳动、认知和爱?资本主义的新精神是什么?为什么情绪变成了商业追逐的新目标?我们在购买的到底是商品,还是某种想象?节目的最后,倪教授探讨了修真小说所反映的中国人对于”升级“的痴迷可能是导致内卷的原因之一,以及虚构背后人们渴望善恶有报的愿景所具有的真实的力量。本期节目对我们来说完全可以用醍醐灌顶来形容,相信你也一定能有所收获。那就请你和我们一起加入这场关于真实、虚构,以及”相信“的游戏吧!结语天宇:倪老师一直是我非常敬仰的学者,她总是能用精准的语言把复杂的理论和概念解释清楚,相信这一点你也一定感同身受。就像我们在节目里说的,尽管我们的业余时间、我们的理想和爱或许都已经成为了被资本剥削的对象,但我们仍然有无法被剥夺的情动,这是无比珍贵的。我正在制作(录制和书写中)的,和你正在消费的,都是一档经过封装的节目。它固然需要在数字内容的海洋中与无数节目争夺流量,但也正因为此,我们聊天时许多快乐与思考的瞬间才能够超越当时的时空和我们自身的存在,能有一些和你产生共鸣的可能。因为这真实存在的力量来源于我们在虚拟空间的交互,所以我们仍然可以选择相信。本期节目制作王一山(制片人)在洋(节目剪辑)Alan(节目运营)TIANYU2FM的理念:每期对谈有价值的声音我们是天宇和天域,是挚友,也是一起求知的伙伴。这是一档为了开拓眼界,走出自我局限而设立的播客,我们通过与人的对谈来与未知的领域及知识互动。主持人简介天域|杰激(声音偏高):服装电商公司创始人、UnDeR20合伙人(小红书:[李天域Jack](https://www.xiaohongshu.com/user/profile/595aebbe82ec396233ef3a72))天宇|大白(声音偏低):从事中日流行文化与媒介研究(文章见于澎湃新闻私家历史、网易新闻历史频道等)扩展阅读(由倪湛舸教授提供)关于模仿、宗教信仰、玄学Kendall Walton, Mimesis as Make-Believe: On the Foundations of the Representational ArtsNeil Van Leeuwen, Religion as Make-Believe: A Theory of Belief, Imagination, and Group IdentityTheodor Adorno, The Stars Down to EarthJohn and Jean Comaroff, “Ocuult Economies, Revisited”Christopher Patridge, “Occulture and Everyday Enchantment”关于创意资本主义Brian Moeran and Timothy de Waal Malefyt ed., Magical Capitalism: Enchantment, Spells, and Occult Practices in Contemporary EconomiesGuiseppe Cocco and Barbara Szaniecki ed., Creative Capitalism, Multitudinous Creativity: Radicalities and Alterities 关于小说、虚构性、历史小说Gallagher, Catherine. "The Rise of Fictionality". *The Novel, Volume 1: History, Geography, and Culture*, edited by Franco Moretti, Princeton: Princeton University Press, 2006, pp. 336-363. Zeitlin, Judith T.. "Xiaoshuo". *The Novel, Volume 1: History, Geography, and Culture*, edited by Franco Moretti, Princeton: Princeton University Press, 2006, pp. 249-261.Saba Mahmood, “*Azazeel* and the Politics of Historical Fiction in Egypt,”Comparative Literature (2013) 65 (3): 265–284.关于修真小说Ni, Zhange. 2020. "*Xiuzhen* (Immortality Cultivation) Fantasy: Science, Religion, and the Novels of Magic/Superstition in Contemporary China" *Religions* 11, no. 1: 25.Ni, Zhange. 2020. ““REIMAGINING DAOIST ALCHEMY, DECOLONIZING TRANSHUMANISM: THE FANTASY OF IMMORTALITY CULTIVATION IN TWENTY‐FIRST CENTURY CHINA”, *Zygon: Journal of Religion and Science* 55(3), 748–771Feher, Michel. "Self-appreciation; or, the aspirations of human capital." *Public Culture* 21.1 (2009): 21-41.
Gli studi di neuroimmagini concordano nell’associare lo yoga ad un aumento di volume dell’insula, regione che elabora lo stato interno del corpo e integra i componenti sensoriali, emotivi e cognitivi del dolore. E proprio dell’effetto dello Yoga sul dolore parliamo a Obiettivo Salute risveglio con il prof. Luca Chittaro, professore ordinario di Interazione Persona-Macchina, Realtà Virtuale ed User Experience all’Università di Udine e autore di Neuroscienze dello yoga (Mimesis).
Tune in to hear:What was René Girard's concept of mimetic theory and how do we see this play out in modern science?Why is our ability to effectively forecast what will bring us joy potentially less developed than our forecasting of pain and displeasure?What is the cognitive bias Impact Bias?How and when were mirror neurons discovered and what role do they play in empathy?What is the “werther-effect” and how does it illustrate our tendency for mimicry?LinksThe Soul of WealthConnect with UsMeet Dr. Daniel CrosbyCheck Out All of Orion's PodcastsPower Your Growth with OrionCompliance Code: 0602-U-25064
Paolo Jedlowski"Il tempo intimo della biografia"Mimesis Edizioniwww.mimesisedizioni.itQuando raccontiamo di noi, facciamo uso della nostra memoria autobiografica. Questa colloca i nostri ricordi in un tempo e uno spazio condivisi, ma la memoria conserva traccia anche di ricordi differenti, che stanno in un tempo difficilmente condiviso (un momento di rossore, l'attesa di una donna, il profumo di una focaccia associato alla nostalgia di non sappiamo cosa…): sono ricordi intimi, difficili da comunicare, involontari, altamente significativi e ineludibili. Fanno parte di quello che chiameremo un tempo intimo. Parlano di risonanze. Rimandano ai modi nei quali, dentro al mondo, palpitiamo. Ben conosciuto dalla letteratura, questo tipo di memoria appartiene anche al campo di interesse di chi adotta una prospettiva biografica nelle scienze sociali. Le biografie appaiono più vive se noi teniamo conto di questo tipo di memorie. Il linguaggio, certo, si deve adeguare all'oggetto: un certo apparato concettuale lo sostiene, ma quel che si deve fare è, soprattutto, ascoltarsi, ascoltare e spingersi a narrare.Paolo Jedlowski, professore emerito di Sociologia dell'Università della Calabria. Si è occupato di storia della sociologia e di sociologia della cultura ed è uno dei fondatori in Italia della sociologia della memoria. È autore di uno dei manuali italiani di sociologia più diffusi: Il mondo in questione (1998 e 2009). Fra i suoi libri più recenti: Memorie del futuro (2017); Spaesati (con M. Cerulo, 2023); Exploring new Temporal Horizons (con A. Cavalli e C. Leccardi, 2023).IL POSTO DELLE PAROLEascoltare fa pensarewww.ilpostodelleparole.itDiventa un supporter di questo podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/il-posto-delle-parole--1487855/support.
A Obiettivo Salute risveglio ospite Luca Chittaro, professore ordinario di Interazione Uomo-Macchina, Realtà Virtuale ed User Experience all’Università di Udine, dove nel 1998 ha fondato il laboratorio di ricerca HCI Lab di cui è direttore. Con l’esperto parliamo del laboratorio e delle sue ricerche sul tecnostress, una forma di stress causata da un utilizzo eccessivo e smodato delle tecnologie che ha impatti significativi sia sulla vita sociale e lavorativa delle persone. Come risolvere la situazione? Un modo efficace per combatterlo potrebbe essere lo yoga, che si rivela anche un ottimo strumento di prevenzione come sottolinea l’esperto nel suo libro Neuroscienze dello yoga (Mimesis).
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Cosa qualifica davvero un populista?Sono più le azioni, le idee, o lo stile della comunicazione?Cerchiamo di analizzare il fenomeno protagonista della politica dei nostri tempi con l'aiuto di David Allegranti, giornalista, dottorando presso l'Università di Roma "La Sapienza" e autore di "Come parla un populista. Donald Trump, i social media e i fatti alternativi" (Mimesis 2024) in una nuova intervista LeoniFiles condotta da Serena SileoniPreferisci seguire su YouTube?
Wir haben mit Prof. Jan Söffner von der Zeppelin Universität gesprochen. Jan ist dort Lehrstuhlinhaber für Kulturtheorie und Kulturanalyse. Wir sprechen in der Folge über seine Forschung zu Virtualität, Realität und Aktualität. Es geht um eine kurze Begriffsgeschichte der Realität, Wahrheit, Fake News und Wissenschaftskommunikation. Außerdem überlegt Jan, ob Platon selbst Podcasthost gewesen wäre.Bücher zur Folge sind:Varoufakis, Yanis: Technofeudalism. What Killed Capitalism, London 2024.Chalmers, David: Reality+. Virtual Worlds and the Problems of Philosophy, London 2022.Johan Huizinga (Autor), Andreas Flitner (Hrsg.): Homo ludens. Vom Ursprung der Kultur im Spiel („Homo ludens“, 1939). Rowohlt Verlag, Reinbek 2009.Lakoff, George; Johnson, Mark: Philosophy in the Flesh. The Embodied Mind and its Challenge to Western Thought, London 1999.Söffner, Jan: Partizipation. Metapher, Mimesis, Musik - und die Kunst, Texte bewohnbar zu machen. Leiden, Niederlande: Brill | Fink, 2014.Arendt, Hannah:Vita activa oder vom tätigen Leben.
Thank you for your patience last week while some technical issues were taken care of. I expect all future episodes to be released each Tuesday. It is also with sadness that I must announce the closing of the Once Upon a Podcast Network. It was a really fun run, but there is currently no momentum to carry the network as a whole properly into 2025, so the other two founders and I decided it was best that we - for now - shelve the network and release all shows back to their creators. For those who made a point to follow the various shows we had available, we thank you from the bottom of our hearts and we want to reassure you that Excelsior Journeys, Mimesis, and Unpaused Life will be continuing on as solo podcasts. Whether any of them find a connection with another network, that's entirely the decision of the hosts & producers. On this week's episode of Excelsior Journeys: The Road to Creativity, host & producer George Sirois sits down once again with fellow author and friend Joe Chianakis. While Joe shared his hit books Secrets & Singlets and Price & Persistence last time, this time he is ready to share his new horror novel Darkness Calls. The two use this time to not only speak at length about Joe's new books, but also to catch up and share some insight of when it comes to grieving the loss of family members and how our creativity can help us get through those difficult times. Find out more about Joe's work by clicking HERE.The Excelsior Journeys podcast exists primarily as a platform for creatives of all kinds (authors, filmmakers, stand-up comics, musicians, voice artists, painters, podcasters, etc) to share their journeys to personal success. It is very important to celebrate those voices as much as possible to not only provide encouragement to up-and-coming talent, but to say thank you to the established men & women for inspiring the current generation of artists.If you agree that the Excelsior Journeys podcast serves a positive purpose and would like to show your appreciation, you can give back to the show by clicking HERE.
Cosa succede quando un'opera d'arte rimane incompiuta? Quali interrogativi cela un disegno non finito o un progetto interrotto? L'incompiutezza, lontano dall'essere un mero accidente, può rivelarsi un fertile terreno di indagine sul processo creativo e sulla psiche umana. In questo episodio del podcast della Rivista di Psicoanalisi, Gaetano Pellegrini dialoga con Lorena Preta, curatrice del focus sull'Incompiuto pubblicato sulla Rivista. Il focus raccoglie contributi di psicoanalisti, curatori, critici d'arte e artisti, offrendo una prospettiva interdisciplinare su un tema complesso e affascinante. Membro Ordinario SPI e Full Member IPA, Lorena Preta è stata Direttore di Psiche, Rivista di cultura della SPI dal 2001 al 2009 ed è Responsabile del Gruppo di Ricerca Internazionale Geografie della Psicoanalisi. Ha ideato e diretto SpoletoScienza, da cui sono nate numerose pubblicazioni per la casa Editrice Laterza, tradotte in diverse lingue, tra le quali Che cos'è la conoscenza (con Mauro Ceruti) (1990), La narrazione delle origini (1991), Immagini e metafore della scienza (1992), La passione del conoscere (1993), Il caso e la libertà (1994), In Principio era la cura (con P. Donghi). Sempre per Laterza ha pubblicato Nuove Geometrie della mente (1999); Cura due collane Geografie della psicoanalisi per Mimesis e Geographies of Pshychoanalisis per Mimesis International. È autrice di diversi articoli e curatrice di molte pubblicazioni tra cui Cartografie dell'inconscio. Mimesis (2016), Dislocazioni. Nuove forme del disagio psichico e sociale Mimesis(2018). È autrice del libro La Brutalità delle cose. Trasformazioni psichiche della realtà, Mimesis(2015) tradotto in varie lingue. Recentemente ha curato Prendersi cura, Alpes 2021 e ultimo Still Life. Ai confini tra vivere e morire, Mimesis 2023. Link utili:Focus sull'Incompiuto sul sito della Rivista di Psicoanalisi: ScaricaOpera di Joseph Beuys "Infiltrazione omogenea per pianoforte a coda": http://artscore.it/cura-arte-5-artisti-5-opere-coronavirus/cura-ad-arte-joseph-beuys-infiltrazione-omogenea-per-pianoforte-a-coda-1-artscore-it/Libro di André Green "Rivelazioni dell'incompiuto": https://www.alpesitalia.it/prodotti-900-rivelazioni_dell_incompiuto"La Vergine e il Bambino con Sant'Anna" di Leonardo da Vinci: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sant%27Anna,_la_Vergine_e_il_Bambino_con_l%27agnellino"Sant'Anna, la Vergine e il Bambino" (Il cartone di Londra) di Leonardo da Vinci: https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Leonardo_-_St._Anne_cartoon.jpg
La mimesis, los rivales duales y la literatura. os dejan explicar el conflicto de una manera elegante. En contraposición el modelo freudiano del complejo de edipo parece no ser tan elegante y tener que recurrir a muchas yuxtaposiciones para seguir sus consistencia interna. De cualquier manera, es en la literatura y en Dostoyevsky en donde encontramos la sensibilidad propia para entender la rivalidad.
Silvia Granata"Ora d'aria"Prefazione di Giorgio LeggieriIntroduzione di Marco BalzanoMimesis Edizioniwww.mimesisedizioni.itOra d'aria non è soltanto una raccolta di racconti di persone detenute, ma un'esplorazione della complessità della condizione umana.Ogni storia, sia essa basata su esperienze vissute o frutto della pura immaginazione, rappresenta un tentativo di fuga, un possibile varco per oltrepassare le barriere fisiche e mentali imposte dalla detenzione, per riconnettersi con la propria identità e umanità.La scrittura diviene così una finestra aperta sul mondo, un mezzo per riaffermare la propria voce ed esplorare il potere trasformativo e liberatorio della creatività che non conosce limiti e diviene strumento di sopravvivenza e resistenza, offrendo una testimonianza eloquente dell'emancipazione attraverso la narrazione.Racconti intrisi di dolore, di nostalgia e di speranza, tutti accomunati da una sincera volontà di comunicare e di essere ascoltati.Una lettura che invita alla riflessione sulla resilienza umana e sulla capacità di trovare una forma di libertà anche all'interno delle limitazioni più estreme.Silvia Granata è nata a Milano, dove vive e lavora. Titolare de “La villa dei Papiri”, realizza libri su commissione: biografie, storie di azienda, saggi, romanzi. Ha pubblicato: In fondo al mare (con M. Argentieri e P. Rapini, 2008), Gino Olivetti. Biografia dell'“altro Olivetti”, un protagonista della storia italiana (con P. Rapini, 2014), Voci di montagna. Le parole, gli sguardi, i silenzi (con N. Alessi, 2017). L'oceano delle voci. Conversazione con Roberto Mussapi. Un viaggio nella vita e nelle opere del poeta (2022).IL POSTO DELLE PAROLEascoltare fa pensarewww.ilpostodelleparole.itDiventa un supporter di questo podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/il-posto-delle-parole--1487855/support.
Dostoyevsky es más que fascinante, pues nos ayuda a entender la naturaleza del deseo y dar más claridad ahí donde los psicoanalistas sólo han creado confusión.
Stefano Raimondi"L'Atalante"Valigie Rosse Edizioniwww.valigierosse..itCome sanno i cinefili, L'Atalante è il titolo del leggendario capolavoro girato da Jean Vigo nel 1934: un film di rara grazia lirica, sorretto da una felicità di invenzione che ha pochi riscontri nella cinematografia non solo di quegli anni. In questa raccolta, allusivamente eponima, Stefano Raimondi adotta il pretesto filmico come chiave musicale per intonare quello che potremmo chiamare un commentario cantato o forse mormorato (ma anche rivissuto, rimeditato, giudicato nell'ultimo grado di giudizio, mentre altra vita urge e conquista) della fine di un amore; e infatti alcune sezioni, che Raimondi per evidenziarne la continuità narrativa chiama “capitoli”, recano come esergo “passi tratti dalla sceneggiatura da Jean Vigo, Albert Riéra e Jean Guinée”.Stefano Raimondi (Milano, 1964) è poeta e critico letterario. Ha pubblicato Una lettura d'anni, in Poesia Contemporanea. Settimo quaderno italiano (Marcos y Marcos 2001); La città dell 'orto (Casagrande, 2002; La vita felice, 2021); Il mare dietro l'autostrada (Lietocolle, 2005); Interni con finestre (La Vita Felice, 2009); Per restare fedeli (Transeuropa, 2013); Soltanto vive. 59 Monologhi (Mimesis, 2016); Il cane di Giacometti (Marcos y Marcos, 2017); Il sogno di Giuseppe (Amos, 2019); Storie per taccuino piccolo piccolo (Scalpendi Editore, 2022); L'Antigone. Recitativo per voce sola (Mimesis, 2023). È inoltre autore di: La “Frontiera”di Vittorio Sereni. Una vicenda poetica (1935-1941) (Unicopli, 2000); Il male del reticolato. Lo sguardo estremo nella poesia di Vittorio Sereni e René Char (Cuem, 2007); Portatori di silenzio (Mimesis, 2012). Suoi testi sono apparsi su «Nuovi Argomenti» (2000, 2004) e nell'«Almanacco dello Specchio» (Mondadori, 2006). Curatore del ciclo d'incontri «Parole Urbane», svolge inoltre attività docenza presso la Libera Università dell'Autobiografia di Anghiari e la Scuola di scrittura Belleville. È inoltre tra i fondatori dell'Accademia del Silenzio e di LABB – Laboratorio Permanente sui luoghi dell'abbandono (Università degli Studi di Milano).IL POSTO DELLE PAROLEascoltare fa pensarewww.ilpostodelleparole.itDiventa un supporter di questo podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/il-posto-delle-parole--1487855/support.
In this enlightening conversation at Shoptoberfest, Brent Peterson and Brian Lang from Future Commerce delve into the evolving landscape of commerce, emphasizing the intersection of culture and commerce, the role of content creators, and the importance of understanding consumer behavior. They discuss the necessity of bringing transactions closer to decision points and introduce the concept of 'good friction' in the purchasing process. The conversation also touches on the impact of AI on commerce and the future predictions for the industry.TakeawaysFuture Commerce operates at the intersection of culture and commerce.Commerce is fundamentally about person-to-person connections.Consumer behavior is influenced by social models and trends.Content creators play a crucial role in shaping commerce today.Bringing transactions closer to decision points enhances purchasing efficiency.Good friction in transactions helps consumers make better decisions.AI is transforming the way we interact with commerce.Understanding the context of consumer purchases is vital.The future of commerce will require clear classification of interactions.Predictions about commerce can often come true over time.Sound Bites"Commerce is identity exchange.""Mimesis drives consumer behavior.""Culture is commerce."Chapters00:00Introduction to Shoptoberfest and Future Commerce04:26The Intersection of Culture and Commerce07:29Understanding Commerce as Identity Exchange10:30The Role of Content Creators in Commerce13:22Bringing Transactions Closer to Decision Points16:23The Concept of Good Friction in Transactions19:44AI's Role in Future Commerce22:27Classifying Human and Machine Interactions25:43Conclusion and Reflections on Future Commerce28:02Future of Commerce Jingle
WET OFF THE PRESS!!! You are invited back into the Talking Hitchcock screening room! Join creator and host, Hitchcock enthusiast, Rebecca McCallum with special guest , award-winning writer, performer, theatre-maker and workshop leader Adam Robinson for this deep dive episode into what is often referred to as the first true Hitchcock film. We carry out our own wet off the press investigations, discussing the film in detail as well as exploring new readings of the McGuffin, Gothicism, bringing danger into the domestic and the beauty of Ivor Novello …. Find Talking Hitchcock on X @hitch_pod and Instagram @talkinghitchpod where you can support the podcast and keep up to date with releases or email us on talkinghitchpod@gmail.com You can find Adam Robinson on the following platforms: X: @Adam_Zed Instagram: @adam__zed Website: Adam Z. Robinson (adamzrobinson.com) Find Rebecca and her work on X and Instagram @PendlePumpkin References The Lodger (1927)-dir Alfred Hitchcock Literature Film Quarterly (1983)-Hitchcock's The Lodger-Lesley W. Brill Early Hitchcock: The German Influence-Hitchcock Annual-(1999)-Sidney Gottleib Working with Hitchcock-Sight and Sound (1980)-Ivor Montagu Alfred Hitchcock and Francois Truffaut Interview-(1962)-The Lodger The Lodger and the Aesthetic Origins (2001)-Richard Allen Action-Bob Thomas and Alfred Hitchcock The German Years (1973)-TV Interview The Haunted Screen-(2008)-Lottie Eisner Undertones of Expressionism in Alfred Hitchcock's The Lodger (youtube.com)-IUCinema Hitchcock's Heroines-(2018) Caroline Young www.brentonfilmcom The Times Review-January 1927 To-Night Golden Curls, Murder and Mimesis (2013)- Sanford Schwartz Doubles and Doubts in Hitchcock The German Connection in Hitchcock Past and Future edited by Richard Allen and Sam Ishii-Gonzales (2004)-Bettina Rosenbladt
Episode 21 presents a portrait of Iranian experimental composer Siavash Amini. His music, which moves seamlessly between contemplative ambience, menacing dissonance, and spacious melodicism, has been released on experimental imprints such as Umor Rex and Room40. His latest, A Mimesis of Nothingness, just came out on the Swiss label Hallow Ground. Siavash tells host Mack Hagood that his entire life is based on an experiment and he doesn't yet know what its outcome will be. This episode traces the contours of that story, from his boyhood as a metalhead in a small Iranian port town to his role in the development of Tehran's lauded experimental music scene. Along the way, we drill down on the international and internal politics that add danger and difficulty to the life of this outspoken leftest composer. Amini is forced to navigate not only the authoritarianism of Iranian government censorship, but also the authoritarianism of western tastemakers, who sometimes want him to make the “Middle Eastern music” they hear in their own heads. Steadfast in his individuality, Siavash makes sounds that resist these authorities–the defiant anthems of an imaginary land, population: one. Most of the music in this episode is by Siavash Amini–listen to it again in this Spotify playlist and check out this great introduction to his music on Bandcamp. This episode was edited by Mack Hagood. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/new-books-network
Episode 21 presents a portrait of Iranian experimental composer Siavash Amini. His music, which moves seamlessly between contemplative ambience, menacing dissonance, and spacious melodicism, has been released on experimental imprints such as Umor Rex and Room40. His latest, A Mimesis of Nothingness, just came out on the Swiss label Hallow Ground. Siavash tells host Mack Hagood that his entire life is based on an experiment and he doesn't yet know what its outcome will be. This episode traces the contours of that story, from his boyhood as a metalhead in a small Iranian port town to his role in the development of Tehran's lauded experimental music scene. Along the way, we drill down on the international and internal politics that add danger and difficulty to the life of this outspoken leftest composer. Amini is forced to navigate not only the authoritarianism of Iranian government censorship, but also the authoritarianism of western tastemakers, who sometimes want him to make the “Middle Eastern music” they hear in their own heads. Steadfast in his individuality, Siavash makes sounds that resist these authorities–the defiant anthems of an imaginary land, population: one. Most of the music in this episode is by Siavash Amini–listen to it again in this Spotify playlist and check out this great introduction to his music on Bandcamp. This episode was edited by Mack Hagood. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/music
Cinzia Sciuto"Cultura e rivolta: quale futuro?"I Dialoghi di Traniwww.idialoghiditrani.comVenerdì 20 settembre, ore 17.00I Dialoghi di TraniMicroMega: la sfida di una rivista militanteTelmo Pievani, Norma Rangeri e Gustavo Zagrebelsky ne discutono con Paolo Flores d'Arcais e Cinzia SciutoCompiuti ottant'anni Paolo Flores d'Arcais, che ha diretto fino ad oggi la rivista fondata insieme a Giorgio Ruffolo nel 1986, passa il testimone a Cinzia Sciuto, che lavora con lui da oltre vent'anni, per dare ulteriore slancio a una voce di sinistra illuministaA cura di MicroMegaCinzia SciutoGiornalista e saggista, direttrice di MicroMega. È autrice delle monografie "Non c'è fede che tenga. Manifesto laico contro il multiculturalismo" (Feltrinelli, 2018; 2020), "La terra è rotonda. Kant, Kelsen e la prospettiva cosmopolitica" (Mimesis, 2015) e di saggi nei volumi collettanei "Non si può più dire niente? 14 punti di vista su politicamente corretto e cancel culture" (Utet, 2022) e "Transsexualität: Was ist eine Frau? Was ist ein Mann?" (a cura di A. Schwarzer e C. Louis, KiWi, 2022).IL POSTO DELLE PAROLEascoltare fa pensarewww.ilpostodelleparole.itDiventa un supporter di questo podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/il-posto-delle-parole--1487855/support.
Runnin' Down A Dream. In this episode, we dig deeper into liturgy and “action”—who's doing what and why in Christian worship? How did the ancient pagans worship their gods, and why? What did the 16th-century Reformers teach about worship? Why should we moderns care? Mimesis, anamnesis, liturgical action, ritual, myth, sacrifices, and sacraments—we've got it all this week. SHOW NOTES: LITURGY AS “ACTION” by Oliver K. Olson https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1540-6385.1975.tb00668.x What Is Religion? - with Peter Boghossian (@drpeterboghossian) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4ogbYbHkuY Walter Benjamin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Benjamin Martin Luther, “Against the Heavenly Prophets,” Luther's Works, Vol. 40: Church and Ministry II, 213–214. https://wolfmueller.net/martin-luther-forgiveness-won-forgiveness-delivered/ More from 1517: Support 1517: https://www.1517.org/donate 1517 Podcasts: http://www.1517.org/podcasts 1517 on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChDdMiZJv8oYMJQQx2vHSzg 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/channel/1517-podcast-network/id6442751370 1517 Academy - Free Theological Education: https://academy.1517.org/ What's New from 1517: The Inklings: Apostles and Apologists of the Imagination with Sam Schuldheisz: https://academy.1517.org/courses/the-inklings Available Now: Hitchhiking with Prophets: A Ride Through the Salvation Story of the Old Testament by Chad Bird: https://shop.1517.org/products/9781956658859-hitchhiking-with-prophets Remembering Rod Rosenbladt: https://www.1517.org/dadrod Available Now: Encouragement for Motherhood Edited by Katie Koplin: https://shop.1517.org/products/9781956658880-encouragement-for-motherhood More from the hosts: Donovan Riley https://www.1517.org/contributors/donavon-riley Christopher Gillespie https://www.1517.org/contributors/christopher-gillespie MORE LINKS: Tin Foil Haloes https://t.me/bannedpastors Warrior Priest Gym & Podcast https://thewarriorpriestpodcast.wordpress.com St John's Lutheran Church (Webster, MN) - FB Live Bible Study Group https://www.facebook.com/groups/356667039608511 Gillespie's Sermons and Catechesis: http://youtube.com/stjohnrandomlake Gillespie Coffee https://gillespie.coffee Gillespie Media https://gillespie.media CONTACT and FOLLOW: Email mailto:BannedBooks@1517.org Facebook https://www.facebook.com/BannedBooksPod/ Twitter https://twitter.com/bannedbooks1517 SUBSCRIBE: YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsvLQ5rlaInxLO9luAauF4A Rumble https://rumble.com/c/c-1223313 Odysee https://odysee.com/@bannedbooks:5 Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/banned-books/id1370993639 Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/2ahA20sZMpBxg9vgiRVQba Stitcher https://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=214298 Overcast https://overcast.fm/itunes1370993639/banned-books Google Podcasts https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9iYW5uZWRib29rcy5saWJzeW4uY29tL3Jzcw TuneIn Radio https://tunein.com/podcasts/Religion--Spirituality-Podcasts/Banned-Books-p1216972/ iHeartRadio https://www.iheart.com/podcast/263-banned-books-29825974/
References Cazzullo, Aldo. I ragazzi che volevano fare la rivoluzione. Edizioni Mondadori, 2015. Potere Operaio. "Alle avanguardie per il partito," 1970. Negri, A., 2000. The savage anomaly: The power of Spinoza's metaphysics and politics. U of Minnesota Press. Negri, Antonio. Subversive Spinoza:(UN) Contemporary Variations: Antonio Negri. Manchester University Press, 2004. Negri, Antonio. Books for burning: Between civil war and democracy in 1970s Italy. Verso, 2005. Negri, Antonio. Political Descartes: Reason, ideology and the bourgeois project. Verso Books, 2007. Negri, Antonio. Spinoza for our time: Politics and postmodernity. Columbia University Press, 2013. Negri, Antonio. Spinoza e noi. Mimesis, 2020. Negri, Antonio. Lenta ginestra: saggio sull'ontologia di Giacomo Leopardi. Mimesis, 2023. For more on German Idealism/Romanticism, see Wulf, Andrea. Magnificent Rebels: The first romantics and the invention of the self. Vintage, 2022. For more on Mazzini's spiritual nationalism, see Bayly, Christopher Alan, and Eugenio F. Biagini. "Giuseppe Mazzini and the globalisation of democratic nationalism 1830-1920." Oxford University Press, 2008.
rational vc Key Takeaways Check out the Rational VC websiteRead the full notes @ podcastnotes.orgLearn from history's Greatest Minds — and find Timeless ideas you can apply to business and life. Every episode we explore a Lindy book: We strive to become polymaths like our investing and business icons, pulling the Big Ideas from a wide range of disciplines to help us become better investors and operators. For the curious-minded seeking Worldly Wisdom. Join 3,000+ others by subscribing @ rationalvc.com to get free access to essays and exclusive content. For the video version of this episode click here. Timestamps: (00:00) Intro (08:16) Core Concepts (12:10) Important Prologue One (29:10) Important Prologue Two (45:04) Prologue Three (49:42) A First Look at Agency (1:05:00) Ethics Problems in Scaling (1:09:00) The Minority Rule (1:29:40) Employment & FU Money, Freedom (1:47:26) Status, Manners & Competence (1:49:55) On Taking Risks (1:55:35) The Intellectual Yet Idiot (2:04:17) The Lindy Effect Recap (2:09:10) Deeper Into Agency (2:11:58) The Illusion of Business Plans (2:15:00) Charlie Munger, Show Rather Than Be (2:17:15) Financial Minimalism, Mimesis (2:24:22) Virtues & Advice for Young People (2:26:37) The Interventionistas (2:28:36) Religion, Belief, & SITG (2:31:10) Most Important, Book 8: Risk & Rationality (2:51:05) Epilogue — Our website (all essays and podcasts): rationalvc.com Our investment fund: rational.fund Cyrus' Twitter: x.com/CyrusYari Iman's Twitter: x.com/iman_olya — Referenced Material: Cyrus on "Financial Minimalism", Viral Essay: https://www.rationalvc.com/articles/minimalism Also listen to the prior three podcast episodes - each covered the other books of Taleb's Incerto Series. — Disclaimer: The materials provided are solely for informational or entertainment purposes and do not constitute investment or legal advice. All opinions expressed by hosts and guests are solely their own opinions and do not reflect the opinion of their employer(s). #Timeless #wisdom #knowledge #books #polymaths
rational vc Key Takeaways Check out the Rational VC websiteRead the full notes @ podcastnotes.orgLearn from history's Greatest Minds — and find Timeless ideas you can apply to business and life. Every episode we explore a Lindy book: We strive to become polymaths like our investing and business icons, pulling the Big Ideas from a wide range of disciplines to help us become better investors and operators. For the curious-minded seeking Worldly Wisdom. Join 3,000+ others by subscribing @ rationalvc.com to get free access to essays and exclusive content. For the video version of this episode click here. Timestamps: (00:00) Intro (08:16) Core Concepts (12:10) Important Prologue One (29:10) Important Prologue Two (45:04) Prologue Three (49:42) A First Look at Agency (1:05:00) Ethics Problems in Scaling (1:09:00) The Minority Rule (1:29:40) Employment & FU Money, Freedom (1:47:26) Status, Manners & Competence (1:49:55) On Taking Risks (1:55:35) The Intellectual Yet Idiot (2:04:17) The Lindy Effect Recap (2:09:10) Deeper Into Agency (2:11:58) The Illusion of Business Plans (2:15:00) Charlie Munger, Show Rather Than Be (2:17:15) Financial Minimalism, Mimesis (2:24:22) Virtues & Advice for Young People (2:26:37) The Interventionistas (2:28:36) Religion, Belief, & SITG (2:31:10) Most Important, Book 8: Risk & Rationality (2:51:05) Epilogue — Our website (all essays and podcasts): rationalvc.com Our investment fund: rational.fund Cyrus' Twitter: x.com/CyrusYari Iman's Twitter: x.com/iman_olya — Referenced Material: Cyrus on "Financial Minimalism", Viral Essay: https://www.rationalvc.com/articles/minimalism Also listen to the prior three podcast episodes - each covered the other books of Taleb's Incerto Series. — Disclaimer: The materials provided are solely for informational or entertainment purposes and do not constitute investment or legal advice. All opinions expressed by hosts and guests are solely their own opinions and do not reflect the opinion of their employer(s). #Timeless #wisdom #knowledge #books #polymaths
A long-form reflection on game design and parser craft theory continues with a discussion of Inform Design Manual 4's version of Graham Nelson's "The Craft of the Adventure." Particular attention is paid to mimesis, challenge, and, as Drew puts it, "cool stuff." Part of a series about Infocom's Trinity. Resources discussed in this episode: Gold Machine: Emily Dickenson and the Wide Middle of Trinity https://golmac.org/narrative-surface-features-of-trinity-part-2/ Top Expert: Let's Make IF Season 2, Episode 1 https://topexpert.blog/2024/07/03/lets-make-if-season-2-episode-1/ DM4 Version of "The Craft of the Adventure" (pdf) https://inform-fiction.org/manual/Chapter8.pdf 50 Years of Text Games https://if50.textories.com/ My own game, Repeat the Ending https://ifdb.org/viewgame?id=eueqjtej7bvnfp5a Correction: Photopia was released in 1998.
Luke Burgis, author and professor of business at the Ciocca Center for Principled Entrepreneurship, grants Jonah a well-deserved break from punditry with a crash course in mimetic theory. René Girard takes center stage as Luke and Jonah discuss the roots of human desire; how such desires lead to tribalism, conflict, and violence; and the relationship between mimetic processes and social discord. Scapegoats and gossip abound as Luke schools both high-minded Remnant listeners and theoretical normies on the psychology of nepotism, institutional debacles, and mob mentalities. Show Notes: —Luke's website —Rob Henderson on luxury beliefs: Troubled: A Memoir of Foster Care, Family, and Social Class The Remnant is a production of The Dispatch, a digital media company covering politics, policy, and culture from a non-partisan, conservative perspective. To access all of The Dispatch's offerings—including Jonah's G-File newsletter, weekly livestreams, and other members-only content—click here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
If you're always imitating others or aspiring to be something else, what's left of the "authentic" you? According to the French philosopher René Girard, not much: Nothing can be truly authentic, he argued--everything comes from somewhere else. This is just one of the many original and counterintuitive claims put forth in Girard's sweeping approach to human history. He argues it is sameness, not our difference that leads to conflict, and he sees religion as a way to contain the chaos as opposed to its first cause. Listen as Stanford University scholar Cynthia Haven speaks with EconTalk's Russ Roberts about Girard's theories of desire and violence. The conversation also includes a discussion of the power of forgiveness to put a stop to conflict's rinse-and-repeat.
In How Things Count as the Same: Memory, Mimesis, and Metaphor (Oxford UP, 2019), Adam B. Seligman and Robert P. Weller address a seemingly simple question: What counts as the same? Given the myriad differences that divide one individual from another, why do we recognize anyone as somehow sharing a common fate with us? For that matter, how do we live in harmony with groups who may not share the sense of a common fate? Such relationships lie at the heart of the problems of pluralism that increasingly face so much of the world today. Note that "counting as" the same differs from "being" the same. Counting as the same is not an empirical question about how much or how little one person shares with another or one event shares with a previous event. Nothing is actually the same. That is why, as humans, we construct sameness all the time. In the process, of course, we also construct difference. Creating sameness and difference leaves us with the perennial problem of how to live with difference instead of seeing it as a threat. How Things Count as the Same suggests that there are multiple ways in which we can count things as the same, and that each of them fosters different kinds of group dynamics and different sets of benefits and risks for the creation of plural societies. While there might be many ways to understand how people construct sameness, three stand out as especially important and form the focus of the book's analysis: Memory, Mimesis, and Metaphor. Theo Stapleton is a PhD student in Social Anthropology at Cambridge University, whose fieldwork was conducted at the first Chinese Buddhist temple in Tanzania. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/new-books-network
In How Things Count as the Same: Memory, Mimesis, and Metaphor (Oxford UP, 2019), Adam B. Seligman and Robert P. Weller address a seemingly simple question: What counts as the same? Given the myriad differences that divide one individual from another, why do we recognize anyone as somehow sharing a common fate with us? For that matter, how do we live in harmony with groups who may not share the sense of a common fate? Such relationships lie at the heart of the problems of pluralism that increasingly face so much of the world today. Note that "counting as" the same differs from "being" the same. Counting as the same is not an empirical question about how much or how little one person shares with another or one event shares with a previous event. Nothing is actually the same. That is why, as humans, we construct sameness all the time. In the process, of course, we also construct difference. Creating sameness and difference leaves us with the perennial problem of how to live with difference instead of seeing it as a threat. How Things Count as the Same suggests that there are multiple ways in which we can count things as the same, and that each of them fosters different kinds of group dynamics and different sets of benefits and risks for the creation of plural societies. While there might be many ways to understand how people construct sameness, three stand out as especially important and form the focus of the book's analysis: Memory, Mimesis, and Metaphor. Theo Stapleton is a PhD student in Social Anthropology at Cambridge University, whose fieldwork was conducted at the first Chinese Buddhist temple in Tanzania. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/anthropology
In How Things Count as the Same: Memory, Mimesis, and Metaphor (Oxford UP, 2019), Adam B. Seligman and Robert P. Weller address a seemingly simple question: What counts as the same? Given the myriad differences that divide one individual from another, why do we recognize anyone as somehow sharing a common fate with us? For that matter, how do we live in harmony with groups who may not share the sense of a common fate? Such relationships lie at the heart of the problems of pluralism that increasingly face so much of the world today. Note that "counting as" the same differs from "being" the same. Counting as the same is not an empirical question about how much or how little one person shares with another or one event shares with a previous event. Nothing is actually the same. That is why, as humans, we construct sameness all the time. In the process, of course, we also construct difference. Creating sameness and difference leaves us with the perennial problem of how to live with difference instead of seeing it as a threat. How Things Count as the Same suggests that there are multiple ways in which we can count things as the same, and that each of them fosters different kinds of group dynamics and different sets of benefits and risks for the creation of plural societies. While there might be many ways to understand how people construct sameness, three stand out as especially important and form the focus of the book's analysis: Memory, Mimesis, and Metaphor. Theo Stapleton is a PhD student in Social Anthropology at Cambridge University, whose fieldwork was conducted at the first Chinese Buddhist temple in Tanzania. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/language
In How Things Count as the Same: Memory, Mimesis, and Metaphor (Oxford UP, 2019), Adam B. Seligman and Robert P. Weller address a seemingly simple question: What counts as the same? Given the myriad differences that divide one individual from another, why do we recognize anyone as somehow sharing a common fate with us? For that matter, how do we live in harmony with groups who may not share the sense of a common fate? Such relationships lie at the heart of the problems of pluralism that increasingly face so much of the world today. Note that "counting as" the same differs from "being" the same. Counting as the same is not an empirical question about how much or how little one person shares with another or one event shares with a previous event. Nothing is actually the same. That is why, as humans, we construct sameness all the time. In the process, of course, we also construct difference. Creating sameness and difference leaves us with the perennial problem of how to live with difference instead of seeing it as a threat. How Things Count as the Same suggests that there are multiple ways in which we can count things as the same, and that each of them fosters different kinds of group dynamics and different sets of benefits and risks for the creation of plural societies. While there might be many ways to understand how people construct sameness, three stand out as especially important and form the focus of the book's analysis: Memory, Mimesis, and Metaphor. Theo Stapleton is a PhD student in Social Anthropology at Cambridge University, whose fieldwork was conducted at the first Chinese Buddhist temple in Tanzania. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/religion
Inizia oggi la visita di Vladimir Putin in Corea del Nord. Un impegno diplomatico che segna un ulteriore allineamento dei due paesi, definito da Kim Jong Un «un rapporto indissolubile di compagni d’armi». Ne parliamo con Antonio Fiori, docente di Storia e Istituzioni dell’Asia all’Università di Bologna, e con il colonnello Orio Giorgio Stirpe, autore di "Gli errori di Putin in Ucraina: una guerra a tutti i costi" (Mimesis edizioni).Un'ennesima tragedia si è consumata nel Mediterraneo: il naufragio di una barca a vela che ha provocato una sessantina di dispersi, di cui 26 bambini. Ne parliamo con Nicola Dell'Arciprete, coordinatore della risposta UNICEF in Italia a favore di minorenni migranti e rifugiati.
Lecture 2 Theatre and Mimesis by John Steppling
What do the French Horn, Led Zepplin, and C.S. Lewis have in common? They are all part of the Great Conversation. Dr. Junius Johnson joins the Forgotten America podcast to discuss classical education and the literary life. Dr. Johnson grew up in Louisville, KY, and shares his story of discovering the Western Canon, classical music, and Latin. This episode is a great introduction to the classical education movement taking the country by storm. If you'd like to see a little more truth, goodness, and beauty reflected in the world around you, you'll want to listen to this episode and hear the wisdom Dr. Johnson has to share with us. And if you're looking for a new book to add to your booklist, make sure you take notes while listening. Follow Dr. Junius Johnson's work: https://www.juniusjohnson.com/ OR https://academics.juniusjohnson.com/ Further Reference: The Western Cannon by Harold Bloom https://www.abebooks.com/first-edition/Western-Canon-Book-School-Ages-BLOOM/31214804233/bd C.S. Lewis https://www.christianbook.com/page/christian-authors/cs-lewis Mimesis - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimesis Resource for scanning Latin poetry https://www.thoughtco.com/scan-a-line-of-latin-poetry-118819 John Dewey: https://www.britannica.com/biography/John-Dewey William James: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/james/ Children of Time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Time_(novel) Dune https://www.thriftbooks.com/series/dune-chronicles/37695/ Garth Nix https://garthnix.com/books/the-seventh-tower/ https://garthnix.com/books/the-keys-to-the-kingdom/ https://garthnix.com/books/the-old-kingdom/ Timothy Zahn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrail_series Writing history textbooks for highschoolers with Classical Academic Press: Humanitas https://classicalacademicpress.com/ https://classicalacademicpress.com/collections/humanitas Garrett Ballengee, Host President & CEO - @gballeng Cardinal Institute for West Virginia Policy Amanda Kieffer, Executive Producer Vice President of Communications & Strategy - @akieffer13 Cardinal Institute for West Virginia Policy Nate Phipps, Editor & Producer - @Aviv5753 Follow: YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, Instagram Support: Patreon, Donate, Newsletter
With Reading Shakespeare Reading Me (Fordham), professor Leonard Barkan blends memoir and deep reading of Shakespeare's greatest plays to explore his lifelong relationship with literature and the way(s) we use art to construct our identities. We get into what it means to read, hear, perform, direct, teach Shakespeare, why it took him a lifetime to get to this book, how he contrasts himself with a radically naive reader (and why it's important to try to capture our naïveté), the gayness of Shakespeare's two Antonios, the many stories he couldn't tell until his folks were gone, and the role Shakespeare played in Leonard's gay coming of age. We also talk about Narcissism vs. Wissenschaft, his next book about the WWII loss of 434 paintings by the Great Masters (!), Cervantes' role as Shakespeare's literary peer, the on-stage therapy session he held at his career-celebration, and his stint as a theater director and what it taught him about teaching. Plus we discuss the strangeness of King Lear's opening scene, the eerie humor of Hamlet, the fraught subject of having kids, the glory & limitations of mimesis, how it felt to see his book The Hungry Eye on a bookshelf in The Bear, the lifelong struggle of living up to his promise, and a lot more. More info at our site • Support The Virtual Memories Show via Patreon or Paypal and via our e-newsletter
There are fewer places for kids to be kids, and there are more places for kids to parrot the behaviors and consumer preferences of the adults. This intergenerational response to culture is affecting commerce… and vice versa. Join Brian and Phillip on this special lunar edition of Future Commerce, which turns into something even more *eclipsing*.How Media Shapes Our Buying DecisionsKey takeaways:- Mimesis plays a significant role in shaping consumer trends, particularly among children who mimic their parents' brand preferences.- Multigenerational marketing is becoming increasingly important as brands strive to appeal to both adults and children in the same market.- Media has a direct impact on consumer behavior and brand preferences, as media cycles drive discourse and influence purchasing decisions.- Predictable growth rather than exponential growth should be a primary focus for businesses seeking long-term success.- The trend cycles are influenced by an inciting event, followed by discourse, backlash, and ultimately a potential counterpunch or shift in attention.{00:13:40} - “Part of the consumer education of a child has changed dramatically since the closure of Toys R Us. So I grew up in a world where there are a lot of independent toy stores or game shops, or there were franchised models of those. These were places where you could go that had very specific merchandising that was literally just for me as a kid, and it was the endless aisle.” - Phillip{00:19:13} - “You look at the Sephora Kids trend as an overarching reflection that there is a strong agreement between both older generations and younger generations about what is interesting, what's trending, what's cool, things that are exposed to different audiences, but native to those audiences in their media channels. So whether it's short form video or it's social share or messaging between friends, kids are parroting what their parents are doing…which I would say is a new form of monoculture.” - Phillip{00:25:54} - “One of the dangers of marketing to children is there is something that happens in this mimesis process where kids, when they become a certain age, want to reject the things that they did when they were children.” - Brian{00:35:39} - “The lesson to take away is that world-building has a huge effect on what we buy, and there are a lot of people out there who believe that all this stuff doesn't matter to commerce, but I think that's the whole charter of why we've made Future Commerce.” - Brian{00:36:26} - “There are a lot of ways that people and consumers expect brands to participate in the cultural discourse now, and we have to merchandise at the speed of culture. That is the job and in particular, eCommerce can move that fast. So it's expected that we do.” - Phillip{00:42:19} - “There's going to be some level of disgust that happens at some point in that mimetic cycle. And then you've built up production and you've pursued this strategy for so long and it's going to disappear overnight. And I think the job of businesses isn't necessarily to grow. The job of businesses is to be predictable {in that growth}.” - Brian{00:45:01} - “The same thing happens with viral product trends. There's an inciting incident that creates a discourse and then there's a backlash. What happens is for it to exit the trend cyclical nature, for us to exit that, there has to be a backlash to backlash.” - PhillipAssociated Links:Check out Future Commerce+ for exclusive content and save on merch and printThe MUSES Journal is here! Grab your copy of our latest annual journal today at musesjournal.comHave you checked out our YouTube channel yet?Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce worldListen to our other episodes of Future CommerceHave any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners!
The late René Girard, former Stanford professor of literature and mentor to Peter Thiel, is having something of a moment on the right these days—as Sam Kriss recently put it in a Harper's essay, Girard's name is being "dropped on podcasts and shoved into reading lists," and "Girardianism has become a secret doctrine of a strange new frontier in reactionary thought." Why might that be the case? To unpack this question, Matt and Sam welcomed back John Ganz, whose four-part series on Girard is one of the best primers available. What does Girard have to say about who we are as human beings, why we want what we want, the origins of both violence and social order (and what they have to do with each others), the uniqueness of Christianity, and the nature of secular modernity? What use is all this to the right? And to what uses do they put it? Also: please pre-order John's book, When the Clock Broke: Con Men, Conspiracists, and How America Cracked Up in the Early 1990s — it's sure to be excellent.Sources:John Ganz's Unpopular Front series on Girard: part 1, part 2, part 3, part 4René Girard, Deceit, Desire, and the Novel: Self and Other in Literary Structure (1976) Things Hidden Since the Foundation of the World (1987) The Scapegoat (1989) I See Satan Fall Like Lightning (1999)Sam Kriss, "Overwhelming and Collective Murder: The Grand, Gruesome Theories of René Girard," Harper's, Nov 2023Scott Cowdell, René Girard and Secular Modernity: Christ, Culture, and Crisis (2013)...and don't forget to subscribe to Know Your Enemy on Patreon for access to all of our bonus episodes!
Why are many conservatives these days on the lookout for Caesars? Why is everything in our lives becoming so politicized? How is politics related to violence? Why do so many women vote for tyrannical government overreach? Listen to this exciting episode to find out as David Gornoski unpacks the weaponization of maternal instinct by psychopaths. Visit A Neighbor's Choice website at aneighborschoice.com
This lecture discusses the ancient Greek philosopher Aristotle' work, the Poetics, focusing on three key distinctions he brings up early on in the work, which bear upon different kinds of mimetic arts (including tragedy, comedy, epic, other poetry, and musical performances). The distinction is between the: Media of the mimetic work (en hois) Objects (or content) of the mimetic work (ha) Mode (or how) of the mimetic work (hōs) The six parts or elements of tragedy fall into this Diction and Lyric Poetry are the Media Plot, Character, and Thought are the Objects Spectacle is the Mode To support my ongoing work, go to my Patreon site - www.patreon.com/sadler If you'd like to make a direct contribution, you can do so here - www.paypal.me/ReasonIO You can find over 3000 philosophy videos in my main YouTube channel - www.youtube.com/user/gbisadler Purchase Aristotle's Poetics - https://amzn.to/3UcswRY
Steve Dowden is a Professor of German language and literature in the Department of German, Russian, and Asian Languages and Literatures. He graduated in 1984 from the University of California with a Ph.D in German literature. After a decade teaching at Yale and a year as a Humboldt Fellow at the University of Konstanz he joined the Brandeis faculty in 1994. Dowden has published on German literature, art, music, and intellectual history from the eighteenth to the twenty-first century. In this episode we discuss his book Modernism and Mimesis. Book link: https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-030-53134-8 --- Become part of the Hermitix community: Hermitix Twitter - https://twitter.com/Hermitixpodcast Support Hermitix: Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/hermitix Donations: - https://www.paypal.me/hermitixpod Hermitix Merchandise - http://teespring.com/stores/hermitix-2 Bitcoin Donation Address: 3LAGEKBXEuE2pgc4oubExGTWtrKPuXDDLK Ethereum Donation Address: 0x31e2a4a31B8563B8d238eC086daE9B75a00D9E74
The ladies discuss Netflix's Beckham and Sam Kriss on Renee Girard in Harper's.