Podcasts about decentral

I 97. episode af EDB 5.0 taler vi med Morten Fisker fra Resolve om decentral og federated learning. Vi diskuterer hvad begreberne betyder, før vi dykker ned i, hvordan decentrale miljøer kan give adgang til mere data og bedre indblik i varians, fremfor de gennemsnitlige data man normalt arbejder med. Vi diskuterer også, hvordan federated learning bringer store sprogmodeller tættere på datakilden ved at flytte modellerne til dataene i stedet for at sende dataene til modellerne. Sidst men ikke mindst diskuterer vi de etiske spørgsmål og den manglende lovgivning, der omgiver træningen af store sprogmodeller. Shownotes: 00.00-11.07: Intro til Morten, Resolve og decentral træning 11.07-33.24: Decentral & federated learning, AI i produktudvikling, de bedste product managers, etik, modeller til data i stedet for data til modeller, manglende lovgivning o.l. 33.24-40.28: Fremtidsperspektiver, både kort- og langsigtet 40.28-41:43: Outtro og teaser til næste episode Vært: Mathias Mengesha Emiliussen

Looking to boost sales and revenue? In this conversation, we'll share proven strategies that will help you increase your bottom line and grow your business.MICHAEL CHAGALA is the founder and CEO of Rank Harvest, LLC. Rank Harvest offers premium digital marketing services to local and national businesses in competitive markets, difficult niche challenges, product launches, and repairing damaged SEO. Michael's career began sweeping the server room floor as an unpaid intern at a software development company, later progressing from software engineer to digital marketing then leadership. Michael was an executive at one of the fastest growing companies in the United States helping bring a small energy company from $20 million annual revenue to nearly $70 as part of a small team of Directors.As CEO, Michael is Rank Harvest's visionary, providing strategic direction. His current internal project is developing strategies for brands wanting to enter the metaverse. Rank Harvest owns premium virtual real estate in Decentral and is building a walkin interactive experience at the location.Learn more at: https://rankharvest.com/ Remember to SUBSCRIBE so you don't miss "Information That You Can Use." Share Just Minding My Business with your family, friends, and colleagues. Engage with us by leaving a review or comment. https://g.page/r/CVKSq-IsFaY9EBM/review Your support keeps this podcast going and growing. Visit Just Minding My Business Media™ LLC at https://jmmbmediallc.com/ to learn how we can help you get more visibility on your products and services.

Catch the recording of our recent discussion on the latest 12B investment in the market—Decentral Green Energy 12B. If you're in the 45% tax bracket, this opportunity could be particularly beneficial, as Decentral can save 100% tax on contributed capital. This translates to R100 returned via tax savings for every R100 invested, supported by the National Treasury's tax incentive and a tax opinion from Webber Wentzel. Don't miss this chance to learn how to optimise your investments and maximise your tax benefits. For more information, visit: Pangeawealth and Decentral Energy

In this discussion, Alec Hogg speaks with Mitchell Fieldgate of Pangea Wealth and Luel Culwick of Decentral about the success and future of South Africa's 12B tax incentive, which encourages private sector investment in solar energy to mitigate load shedding. The 12B incentive offers substantial tax deductions—up to 222%—for investments in qualifying solar projects, leading to significant private sector involvement. Fieldgate and Culwick highlight the importance of viewing 12B investments as solid financial opportunities, partnering with reliable companies, and acting swiftly due to the finite availability of the 12B incentive, ensuring investors can benefit fully from tax deductions while supporting South Africa's energy infrastructure.

I dette afsnit kigger vi på systemydelser til elnettet og de decentrale kraftvarmeværkers rolle i forhold til forsyningssikkerheden her i landet.

Dezentralisierung ist das zentrale Versprechen von Blockchain und Kryptowährungen. Doch wer braucht Dezentralisierung und warum überhaupt? Ex-Bitcoin-Miner und Web3-Unternehmer Batis Samidan hat Antworten.

Anthony Di Iorio is the Founder of Andiami, Decentral and Jaxx, as well as the Co-Founder of Ethereum. Wade + Ulf recently caught up with Anthony at the Blockchain Futurist Conference in Toronto, Canada. -- Our first Podcast NFT Collection, "The First 100," has launched! Official Secondary Link: ⁠https://opensea.io/collection/show-me-the-crypto-the-first-100 -- Follow Anthony on Twitter: @diiorioanthony Follow Andiami on Twitter: @ANDIAMIproject --   Follow us on the socials:   Twitter: @showcrypto TikTok: @showmethecrypto Instagram: @showmethecryptopodcast   --   *Any financial compensation we receive will always be clearly identified as an advertisement or sponsored content. We don't accept payment to feature guests, and we don't accept payment to influence the coins/projects we discuss on Show Me The Crypto. Any ads will be clearly identified during the show, and information on our partners will be featured in the show notes.

“If you see your life as a game, then everything feels different.” Today, Yu-kai Chou (Author & Founder of The Octalysis Group & Metablox) joins us to talk about why fun is an important part of gaining motivation, creating long-lasting habits, and achieving greater happiness. He breaks down the 8 core drivers of motivation, which you can use to maintain momentum and stay engaged with your healthy habits (for the long run). Sorry, but hope and willpower have no place here. Tune in to learn how gamification can help you move the needle! Meet Yu-kai Chou: Yu-kai Chou is an Author and International Keynote Speaker on Gamification and Behavioral Design. He is the Author of Actionable Gamification and the Founder of The Octalysis Group as well as Metablox. His design work has empowered over 1 Billion users' experiences and was rated #1 among the “Top 100 Gamification Gurus” in the world. Yu-kai was also Chief Experience Officer in Decentral, working with Ethereum Cofounder Anthony Di Iorio, as well as Head of Creative Labs/Digital Commerce for HTC, pioneering VIVE VR and the Metaverse. Episode Highlights: Yu-kai's game objective is creating the most impact possible while having fun. If you're not having fun, why are you doing it? (04:40) You will become truly successful when you're doing what you love on a regular basis. (10:03) The 8 core drivers of motivation in Yu-kai's Octalysis Framework: Epic Meaning & Calling, Development & Accomplishment, Empowerment of Creativity & Feedback, Ownership & Possession, Social Influence & Relatedness, Scarcity & Impatience, Unpredictability & Curiosity, and Loss & Avoidance (12:38) As long as you feel like you're progressing, you'll stay motivated. Once you lose a sense of progression, your motivation can decrease. (17:21) One of the most effective ways to maintain momentum (or a habit) is keeping a streak. Creating a streak is not about how well you do at your habit, it's about how consistent you are. Streaks train your brain to check in every day, otherwise you lose the momentum. To avoid burnout/frustration from losing a streak, build a vacation/rest day into it! (31:52) Happiness is growth, but it's also balance. Happiness is not all about money and career, it requires a holistic approach where you work on your physical health, mindset, emotional health, relationships, and more. What current habits do you have in each of these that aren't helping you? How can you replace them with different habits and gamify them to achieve greater happiness in life? (41:10) Resources Mentioned: Actionable Gamification Yale Happiness Course The World Happiness Report Forest app  Outliers Principles Atomic Habits Follow Yu-kai: Website LinkedIn Twitter Follow Will Moore to #gamifyyourhabits: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Website⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠ Will's #1 mission in life is to help you GAMIFY YOUR LIFE by replacing your failure habits with success habits in the FIVE CORE areas of your life scientifically linked to happiness. Sign up for the newsletter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://mooremomentum.com/contact⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Follow the success stories: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://mooremomentum.com/success-stories/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  What's your core score? Take the FREE Life Evaluator Quiz to see where you currently stand in the 5 Core areas of life scientifically tied to happiness: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://mooremomentum.com/quiz⁠ Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/5corelife/message --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/5corelife/message

For four days, from March 20-23, 2023, thousands of the world's leaders, investors, brands, enthusiasts, and experts gather for the Outer Edge LA 2023 event. It featured a series of talks about the world of Web3 and the NFT community. Present at the event are our hosts, who relive the recent event with us in this special episode. They deliver different interviews from guests helping to build the next revolution in gaming. Tune in to hear from the geniuses behind Zed Run, Brawler Bearz, Life Beyond, and Decentral Games and Win-Win. Don't miss out on learning about blockchain games, MMO in Web3, digital horse racing, the leading metaverse DAO, and using NFT to create win-win situations for charities, users, and the community. More from Edge of NFT:

For four days, from March 20-23, 2023, thousands of the world's leaders, investors, brands, enthusiasts, and experts gather for the Outer Edge LA 2023 event. It featured a series of talks about the world of Web3 and the NFT community. Present at the event are our hosts, who relive the recent event with us in this special episode. They deliver different interviews from guests helping to build the next revolution in gaming. Tune in to hear from the geniuses behind Zed Run, Brawler Bearz, Life Beyond, and Decentral Games and Win-Win. Don't miss out on learning about blockchain games, MMO in Web3, digital horse racing, the leading metaverse DAO, and using NFT to create win-win situations for charities, users, and the community.

EPISODE SUMMARY Join scientist and mindset & high-performance coach Claudia Garbutt and one of the world's leading experts on gamification and behavioral design, Yu-kai Chou as they talk about using gamification to uplevel your life and business.    In this episode, we talk about: - What is gamification and why should you care - How to use gamification ethically - Understanding motivation through the Octalysis framework   EPISODE NOTES Yu-kai Chou is an Author and International Keynote Speaker on Gamification and Behavioral Design. He is the Author of Actionable Gamification and the Founder of The Octalysis Group and Metablox.   His design work has empowered over 1 Billion users' experiences and was rated #1 among the “Top 100 Gamification Gurus” in the world. Yu-kai was also Chief Experience Officer in Decentral, working with Ethereum Cofounder Anthony Di Iorio, as well as Head of Creative Labs/Digital Commerce for HTC, pioneering VIVE VR and the Metaverse.   Website: island.octalysisprime.com   Blog: http://yukaichou.com   Twitter: http://twitter.com/yukaichou   Metablox: https://metablox.co/   Metablox Discord: https://discord.com/invite/KRZZUtUs4T   Metablox Twitter: http://twitter.com/metabloxnfts   ------------------   Music credit: Vittoro by Blue Dot Sessions (www.sessions.blue)   -----------------   If you enjoyed this episode, learned something new, had an epiphany moment - or were reminded about a simple truth that you had forgotten, please let me know by rating & reviewing this show on https://linktr.ee/wiredforsuccess.   Oh, and make sure you subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss out on any of the amazing future episodes! If you don't listen on iTunes, you can find all the episodes here.       Disclaimer: Podcast Episodes might contain sponsored content.

In this episode, Ben sits down with Lewis Harland, Portfolio Manager and Head of Research at Decentral Park Capital. Lewis is a prolific writer with deep research into cutting edge valuation methodologies that leverage on chain data and analysis. His top-down valuation frameworks are widely recognized among leaders in the crypto industry while also helping steer Decentral Park's investment strategy and portfolio construction. Let's get into it.  Timestamps 2:21 How has writing publicly online influenced your career? 6:26 What are your resources to find signal amid the noise? 10:39 What is your background? 15:10 How does your research feed into your investment process? 19:17 Can you share some examples where your top-down investment thesis was right and/or wrong? 26:10 Do valuation frameworks matter in crypto? 32:02 Can you explain your guide on how to value a blockchain? 38:18 Please define the Lindy effect? 44:45 How do you think about new technological disruptions and their impact on valuation methodologies? 50:24 What is your most contrarian take in crypto? 54:07 What is your most contrarian take outside of crypto? 56:56 Where can people learn more about you? Resources Mentioned GlassNode Into The Block Thermocap On Blockchain Valuations Cryptonetwork Governance As Capital Nexus Mutual EigenLayer Connect with the guest Follow Lewis on Twitter https://twitter.com/_LewisHarland_ Follow Decentral Park Capital on Twitter ​​https://twitter.com/DPCio Decentral Park Capital https://www.decentralpark.io/ Disclaimer  Ben Jacobs is a partner at Scenius Capital Management. All views expressed by Ben and the guests of this podcast are solely their opinions and do not reflect the opinions of Scenius Capital Management. Guests and the host may maintain positions in the assets or funds discussed in this podcast. You should not treat any opinion expressed by anyone on this podcast as a specific inducement to make a particular investment or follow a particular strategy but only as an expression of their personal opinion. This podcast is for informational purposes only.

OpenAI just rollicked the AI world yet again yesterday — while releasing the long awaited ChatGPT API, they also priced it at $2 per million tokens generated, which is 90% cheaper than the text-davinci-003 pricing of the “GPT3.5” family. Their blogpost on how they did it is vague: Through a series of system-wide optimizations, we've achieved 90% cost reduction for ChatGPT since December; we're now passing through those savings to API users.We were fortunate enough to record Episode 2 of our podcast with someone who routinely creates 90%+ improvements for their customers, and in fact have started productizing their own infra skills with Codeium, the rapidly growing free-forever Copilot alternative (see What Building “Copilot for X” Really Takes). Varun Mohan is CEO of Exafunction/Codeium, and he indulged us in diving deep into AI infrastructure, compute-optimal training vs inference tradeoffs, and why he loves suffering.Recorded in-person at the beautiful StudioPod studios in San Francisco.Full transcript is below the fold. Timestamps* 00:00: Intro to Varun and Exafunction* 03:06: GPU Efficiency, Model Flop Utilization, Dynamic Multiplexing* 05:30: Should companies own their ML infrastructure?* 07:00: The two kinds of LLM Applications* 08:30: Codeium* 14:50: “Our growth is 4-5% day over day”* 16:30: Latency, Quality, and Correctability* 20:30: Acceleration mode vs Exploration mode* 22:00: Copilot for X - Harvey AI's deal with Allen & Overy* 25:00: Scaling Laws (Chinchilla)* 28:45: “The compute-optimal model might not be easy to serve”* 30:00: Smaller models* 32:30: Deepmind Retro can retrieve external infromation* 34:30: Implications for embedding databases* 37:10: LLMOps - Eval, Data Cleaning* 39:45: Testing/User feedback* 41:00: “Users Is All You Need”* 42:45: General Intelligence + Domain Specific Dataset* 43:15: The God Nvidia computer* 46:00: Lightning roundShow notes* Varun Mohan Linkedin* Exafunction* Blogpost: Are GPUs Worth it for ML* Codeium* Copilot statistics* Eleuther's The Pile and The Stack* What Building “Copilot for X” Really Takes* Copilot for X* Harvey, Copilot for Law - deal with Allen & Overy* Scaling Laws* Training Compute-Optimal Large Language Models - arXiv (Chinchilla paper)* chinchilla's wild implications (LessWrong)* UL2 20B: An Open Source Unified Language Learner (20B)* Paper - Deepmind Retro* “Does it make your beer taste better”* HumanEval benchmark/dataset* Reverse Engineering Copilot internals* Quora Poe* Prasanna Sankar notes on FLOPs and Bandwidth* NVIDIA H100 specs - 3TB/s GPU memory, 900GB/s NVLink Interconnect* Optimizer state is 14x size of model - 175B params => 2.5TB to store state → needs at least 30 H100 machines with 80GB each* Connor Leahy on The Gradient PodcastLightning Rounds* Favorite AI Product: Midjourney* Favorite AI Community: Eleuther and GPT-J* One year prediction: Better models, more creative usecases* Request for Startup: Superathlete Fitness Assistant* Takeaway: Continue to tinker!Transcript[00:00:00] Alessio Fanelli: Hey everyone. Welcome to the Latent Space podcast. This is Alessio, partner and CTO in residence at Decibel Partners. I'm joined by my cohost, swyx, writer, editor of L Space Diaries.[00:00:20] swyx: Hey, and today we have Varun Mohan from Codeium / Exafunction on. I should introduce you a little bit because I like to get the LinkedIn background out of the way.[00:00:30] So you did CS at MIT and then you spent a few years at Nuro where you were ultimately tech lead manager for autonomy. And that's an interesting dive. Self-driving cars in AI and then you went straight into Exafunction with a few of your coworkers and that's where I met some of them and started knowing about Exafunction.[00:00:51] And then from out of nowhere you cloned GitHub Copilot. That's a lot of progress in a very short amount of time. So anyway, welcome .[00:00:59] Varun Mohan: That's high praise.[00:01:00] swyx: What's one thing about you that doesn't appear on LinkedIn that is a big part of what people should know?[00:01:05] Varun Mohan: I actually really like endurance sports actually.[00:01:09] Like I, I've done multiple triathlons. I've actually biked from San Francisco to LA. I like things that are like suffering. I like to suffer while I, while I do sports. Yeah.[00:01:19] swyx: Do you think a lot about like code and tech while you're doing those endurance sports or are you just,[00:01:24] Varun Mohan: your mind is just focused?[00:01:26] I think it's maybe a little bit of both. One of the nice things about, I guess, endurance athletics, It's one of the few things you can do where you're not thinking about, you can't really think about much beyond suffering. Like you're climbing up a hill on a bike and you see like, uh, you see how many more feet you need to climb, and at that point you're just struggling.[00:01:45] That's your only job. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. The only thing you can think of is, uh, pedaling one more pedal. So it's actually like a nice, a nice way to not think about work. Yeah,[00:01:53] Alessio Fanelli: yeah, yeah. Maybe for the audience, you wanna tell a bit about exa function, how that came to be and how coding came out[00:01:59] Varun Mohan: of that. So a little bit about exo function.[00:02:02] Before working at exa function, I worked at Neuro as Sean was just saying, and at neuro, I sort of managed large scale offline deep learning infrastructure. Realized that deep learning infrastructure is really hard to build and really hard to maintain for even the most sophisticated companies, and started exa function to basically solve that gap, to make it so that it was much easier for companies.[00:02:24] To serve deep learning workloads at scale. One of the key issues that we noticed is GPUs are extremely hard to manage fundamentally because they work differently than CPUs. And once a company has heterogeneous hardware requirements, it's hard to make sure that you get the most outta the hardware. It's hard to make sure you can get, get great GPU utilization and exa function was specifically built to make it so that you could get the most outta the hardware.[00:02:50] Make sure. Your GP was effectively virtualized and decoupled from your workload to make it so that you could be confident that you were running at whatever scale you wanted without burning the bank.[00:03:00] swyx: Yeah. You gave me this metric about inefficiency,[00:03:03] Varun Mohan: right? Oh, okay. Like flop efficiency. Yeah. Yeah. So basically, I think it comes down to, for most people, one of the things about CPUs that's really nice is with containers, right?[00:03:13] You can end up having a single. You can place many containers on them and all the containers will slowly start eating the compute. It's not really the same with GPUs. Like let's say you have a single. For the most part, only have one container using that gpu. And because of that, people heavily underestimate what a single container can sort of do.[00:03:33] And the GPU is left like heavily idle. And I guess the common term now with a lot of LM workloads is like the flop efficiency of these workloads. M F U, yeah. Yeah. Model flop utilization. The model flop utilization, which is basically like what fraction of the flops or compute on the hardware is actually getting used.[00:03:49] And sort of what we did at exa function. Not only make it so that the model was always running, we also built compiler technology to make it so that the model was also running more efficiently. And some of these things are with tricks like operator fusion, like basically you could imagine fusing two operations together such that the time it takes to compute.[00:04:07] the fused operation is lower than the time it takes for each individual operation. Oh my God. Yeah. .[00:04:13] Alessio Fanelli: Yeah. And you have this technique called dynamic multiplexing, which is basically, instead of having a one-to-one relationship, you have one GP for multiple clients. And I saw one of your customers, they went from three clients to just one single GPU and the cost by 97%.[00:04:29] What were some of those learning, seeing hardware usage and efficiencies and how that then played into what, what[00:04:34] Varun Mohan: you're building? Yeah, I think it basically showed that there was probably a gap with even very sophisticated teams. Making good use of the hardware is just not an easy problem. I think that was the main I, it's not that these teams were like not good at what they were doing, it's just that they were trying to solve a completely separate problem.[00:04:50] They had a model that was trained in-house and their goal was to just run it and it, that should be an easy. Easy thing to do, but surprisingly still, it's not that easy. And that problem compounds in complexity with the fact that there are more accelerators now in the cloud. There's like TPUs, inferential and there's a lot of decisions, uh, that users need to make even in terms of GPU types.[00:05:10] And I guess sort of what we had was we had internal expertise on what the right way to run the workload was, and we were basically able to build infrastructure and make it so that companies could do that without thinking. So most[00:05:21] Alessio Fanelli: teams. Under utilizing their hardware, how should they think about what to own?[00:05:26] You know, like should they own the appearance architecture? Like should they use Xlo to get it to production? How do you think[00:05:32] Varun Mohan: about it? So I think one thing that has proven to be true over the last year and a half is companies, for the most part, should not be trying to figure out what the optimal ML architecture is or training architecture is.[00:05:45] Especially with a lot of these large language models. We have generic models and transformer architecture that are solving a lot of distinct problems. I'll caveat that with most companies. Some of our customers, which are autonomous vehicle companies, have extremely strict requirements like they need to be able to run a model at very low latency, extremely high precision recall.[00:06:05] You know, GBT three is great, but the Precision Recall, you wouldn't trust someone's life with that, right? So because of that, they need to innovate new kinds of model architectures. For a vast majority of enterprises, they should probably be using something off the shelf, fine tuning Bert models. If it's vision, they should be fine tuning, resonant or using something like clip like the less work they can do, the better.[00:06:25] And I guess that was a key turning point for us, which is like we start to build more and more infrastructure for the architectures that. The most popular and the most popular architecture was the transformer architecture. We had a lot of L L M companies explicitly reach out to us and ask us, wow, our GT three bill is high.[00:06:44] Is there a way to serve G P T three or some open source model much more cheaply? And that's sort of what we viewed as why we were maybe prepared for when we internally needed to deploy transform models our.[00:06:58] Alessio Fanelli: And so the next step was, Hey, we have this amazing infrastructure. We can build kind of consumer facing products, so to speak, at with much better unit economics, much better performance.[00:07:08] And that's how code kind[00:07:10] Varun Mohan: of came to be. Yeah. I think maybe the, the play is not maybe for us to be just, we make a lot of consumer products. We want to make products with like clear ROI in the long term in the enterprise. Like we view code as maybe one of those things. Uh, and maybe we can, we can talk about code maybe after this.[00:07:27] We. Products like co-pilot as being extremely valuable and something that is generating a lot of value to professionals. We saw that there was a gap there where a lot of people probably weren't developing high intensive L L M applications because of cost, because of the inability to train models the way they want to.[00:07:44] And we thought we could do that with our own infrastructure really quickly.[00:07:48] swyx: I wanna highlight when you say high intensive, you mean basically generate models every key, uh, generate inferences on every keystroke? That's[00:07:55] Varun Mohan: right. Yeah. So I would say like, there's probably two kinds of L l M applications here.[00:07:59] There's an L L M application where, you know, it rips through a bunch of data and maybe you wait a couple minutes and then you see something, and then there's an application where the quality is not exactly what you want, but it's able to generate enough, sorry, low enough latency. It's still providing a ton of value.[00:08:16] And I will say there's like a gap there where the number of products that have hit that co-pilot spot is actually not that high. Mm. A lot of them are, are kind of like weight and, you know, just generate a lot of stuff and see what happens because one is clearly more compute intensive than the other Basically.[00:08:31] swyx: Well co uh, I don't know if we told the whole story yet, you were going to[00:08:35] Varun Mohan: dive into it. . Yeah, so I guess, I guess the story was I guess four or five months ago we sort of decided internally as a team we were like very early adopters of co-pilot. I'm not gonna sit here and say co-pilot, it's not a great tool.[00:08:45] We love co-pilot. It's like a fantastic tool. We all got on the beta. The moment it came out we're like a fairly small T, but we, like we all got in, we were showing each other completions. We end up writing like a lot of cuda and c plus plus inside the company. And I think there was probably a thought process within us that was like, Hey, the code we write is like very high aq.[00:09:04] You know? So like there's no way it can help. And one of the things in c plus plus that's like the most annoying is writing templates. Writing template programming is maybe one of those things. No one, maybe there's like some people in the C plus O standards community that can do it without looking at the, looking at anything online.[00:09:19] But we struggle. We struggle writing bariatric templates and COPA just like ripped through. Like we had a 500 line file and it was just like writing templates like, and we didn't really even test it while we were running it. We then just compiled it and it just, We're like, wow. Like this is actually something that's not just like it's completing four loops, it's completing code for us.[00:09:38] That is like hard in our brains to reach, but fundamentally and logically is not that complicated. The only reason why it's complicated is there's just a lot of rules, right. And from then we were just like, wow, this is, that was maybe the first l l m application for us internally, because we're not like marketers that would use, uh, Jasper, where we were like, wow, this is like extremely valuable.[00:09:58] This is not a toy anymore. So we wanted to take our technology to build maybe apps where these apps were not gonna be toys, right? They were not gonna be like a demo where you post it on Twitter and then you know there's hype and then maybe like a month later, no one's using.[00:10:11] swyx: There's a report this morning, um, from co-pilot where they, they were estimating the key tabs on amount of code generated by a co-pilot that is then left in code repos and checked in, and it's something like 60 to 70%[00:10:24] Varun Mohan: That's, that's nuts, but I totally believe it given, given the stats we have too. There's this flips in your head once you start using products like this, where in the beginning there's like, there's like skepticism, like how, how valuable can it be? And suddenly now like user behavior fundamentally changes so that now when I need to write a function, I'm like documenting my code more because I think it's prompting the model better, right?[00:10:43] So there's like this crazy thing where it's a self-fulfilling prophecy where when you get more value from it, more of your code is generated. From co-pilot[00:10:50] swyx: just to walk through the creation process, I actually assumed that you would have grabbed your data from the pile, which is the Luther ai, uh, open source, uh, code information.[00:11:00] But apparently you scraped your own[00:11:01] Varun Mohan: stuff. Yeah. We ended up basically using a lot of open, I guess, permissively licensed code, uh, in the public internet, mainly because I think also the pile is, is fairly a small subset. Uh, I think maybe after we started there was the, that was also came to be, but for us, we had a model for ourselves even before that, uh, was the point.[00:11:21] Ah, okay. So the timing was just a little bit off. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. But it's awesome work. It's, it seems like there's a good amount of work that's getting done Decentrally. Yeah. Which is a little bit surprising to me because I'm like more bullish on everyone needs to get together in a room and make stuff happen.[00:11:35] Like we're all in person in Mountain View. But yeah, no, it's pretty impressive. Yeah. Luther in general, like everything they've done, I'm pretty impressed with it. Yeah, and we're[00:11:42] swyx: gonna talk about that. Cause I, I didn't know you were that involved in the community[00:11:45] Varun Mohan: that early on I wasn't involved. It was more of like a, I was watching and maybe commenting from time to time.[00:11:50] So they're a very special community for sure. Yeah,[00:11:52] swyx: yeah, yeah. That's true. That's true. My impression is a bunch of you are geniuses. You sit down together in a room and you. , get all your data, you train your model, like everything's very smooth sailing. Um, what's wrong with that[00:12:02] Varun Mohan: image? Yeah, so probably a lot of it just in that a lot of our serving infrastructure was already in place, Uhhuh before then.[00:12:09] So like, hey, we were able to knock off one of these boxes that I think a lot of other people maybe struggle with. The open source serving offerings are just, I will say, not great in that. That they aren't customized to transformers and these kind of workloads where I have high latency and I wanna like batch requests, and I wanna batch requests while keeping latency low.[00:12:29] Mm-hmm. , right? One of the weird things about generation models is they're like auto regressive, at least for the time being. They're auto aggressive. So the latency for a generation is a function of the amount of tokens that you actually end up generating. Like that's like the math. And you could imagine while you're generating the tokens though, unless you batch a.[00:12:46] It's gonna end up being the case that you're not gonna get great flop utilization on the hardware. So there's like a bunch of trade offs here where if you end up using something completely off the shelf, like one of these serving thing, uh, serving frameworks, you're gonna end up leaving a lot of performance on the table.[00:13:00] But for us, we were already kind of prepared. To sort of do that because of our infrastructure that we had already built up. And probably the other thing to sort of note is early on we were able to leverage open source models, sort of bootstrap it internally within our company, but then to ship, we finally had some requirements like, Hey, we want this model to have fill in the middle capabilities and a bunch of other things.[00:13:20] And we were able to ship a model ourselves. So we were able to time it so that over the course of multiple months, different pieces were like working out properly for us. So it wasn't. . You know, we started out and we were just planning the launch materials. The moment we started there was like maybe some stuff that was already there, some stuff that we had already figured out how to train models at scale internally.[00:13:38] So we were able to just leverage that muscle very quickly. I think the one[00:13:41] swyx: thing that you had figured out from the beginning was that it was gonna be free forever. Yeah. Yeah, co-pilot costs $10[00:13:47] Varun Mohan: a month. Co-pilot costs $10 a month. I would argue significantly more value than $10 a month. The important thing for us though, was we are gonna continue to build more great products on top of code completion.[00:13:58] We think code completion is maybe day one of what the future looks like. And for that, clearly we can't be a product that's like we're $10 a month and we're adding more products. We want a user base that loves using us. And we'll continue to stay with us as we continue to layer on more products. And I'm sure we're gonna get more users from the other products that we have, but we needed some sort of a differentiator.[00:14:17] And along the way we realized, hey, we're pretty efficient at running these workloads. We could probably do this. Oh, so it wasn't,[00:14:23] swyx: it was a plan to be free from the start. You just[00:14:25] Varun Mohan: realized we, yeah. We realized we could probably, if we cut and optimized heavily, we could probably do this properly. Part of the reasoning here was we were confident we could probably build a pro tier and go to the enter.[00:14:35] But for now, originally when we, when we started, we weren't like, we're just gonna go and give every, all pieces of software away for free. That wasn't like sort of the goal there. And[00:14:43] swyx: since you mentioned, uh, adoption and, you know, traction and all that, uh, what can you disclose about user growth? Yeah, user adoption.[00:14:50] Varun Mohan: Yeah. So right now we have. We probably have over 10,000 users and thousands of daily actives, and people come back day over day. Our growth is like around, you know, four to 5% day over day right now. So all of our growth right now is sort of like word of mouth, and that's fundamentally because like the product is actually one of those products where.[00:15:08] Even use COT and use us, it's, it's hard to tell the difference actually. And a lot of our users have actually churned off of cot isn't Yeah. I,[00:15:14] swyx: I swept Yeah. Yeah. To support you guys, but also also to try[00:15:17] Varun Mohan: it out. Yeah, exactly. So the, the crazy thing is it wasn't like, Hey, we're gonna figure out a marketing motion of like, Going to the people that have never heard of co-pilot and we're gonna like get a bunch of users.[00:15:27] We wanted to just get users so that in our own right we're like a really great product. Uh, and sort of we've spent a lot of engineering time and obviously we co-wrote a blog post with you, Sean, on this in terms of like, there's a lot of engineering work, even beyond the latency, making sure that you can get your cost down to make a product like this actually work.[00:15:44] swyx: Yeah. That's a long tail of, of stuff that you referenced,[00:15:47] Varun Mohan: right? Yes. Yeah, exactly.[00:15:48] swyx: And you, you said something to the order of, um, and this maybe gets into co-pilot for X uh, which is something that everybody is keen about cuz they, they see the success of co-pilot. They're like, okay, well first of all, developer tools, there's more to do here.[00:16:00] And second of all, let's say the co-pilot idea and apply for other disciplines. I don't know if you wanna Yeah.[00:16:06] Varun Mohan: There's[00:16:06] Alessio Fanelli: gonna some. Key points that, that you touched on. Um, how to estimate, inference a scale, you know, and the latency versus quality trade-offs. Building on first party. So this is free forever because you run your own models, right?[00:16:19] That's right. If you were building on open ai, you wouldn't be able to offer it for free real-time. You know, when I first use coding, It was literally the same speed as Copi is a little bit[00:16:29] swyx: faster. I don't know how to quantify it,[00:16:31] Varun Mohan: but we are faster. But it's one of those things that we're not gonna like market as that's the reason because it's not in and of itself a right for you to like, I'm just gonna be open with you.[00:16:39] It's not a reason for you to like suddenly turn off a copilot where if our answers were trash, uh, but we were faster. You know what I mean? But your focus[00:16:46] Alessio Fanelli: was there. We used the alpha, I think prem on our discord came to us and say, you guys should try this out. So it was really fast. Even then, prompt optimization is another big thing, and model outputs and UX kind of how you bring them together.[00:17:00] Which ones of these things are maybe like the one or two that new founders should really think about first?[00:17:07] Varun Mohan: Yeah, I think, I think my feeling on this is unless you are ex, you probably should always bootstrap on top of an existing a. Because like even if you were to, the only reason why we didn't is because we knew that this product was actually buildable.[00:17:22] Probably if we worked hard enough to train a model, we would actually be able to build a great product already. But if you're actually going out and trying to build something from scratch, unless you genuinely believe, I need to fine tune on top of, you know, terabytes of data terabyte is a very large amount of data, but like tens of gigabytes of data.[00:17:37] Probably go out and build on top of an API and spend most of your time to make it so that you can hit that quality latency trade off properly. And if I were to go out and think about like the three categories of like an LM product, it's probably like latency, quality, and correct ability. The reality is, you know, if I were to take a product like co-pilot or Coum, the latency is very low.[00:17:58] The quality I think, is good enough for the task, but the correct ability is, is very easy. Credibility. What, what is correct ability? Correct ability means, let's say the quality is not there. Like you consider the the case where, The answer is wrong. How easy is it for your user to actually go and leverage parts of the generation?[00:18:16] Maybe a, a concrete example. There's a lot of things people are excited about right now where I write a comment and it generates a PR for me, and that's like, that's like really awesome in theory. I think that's like a really cool thing and I'm sure at some point we will be able to get there. That will probably require an entirely new model for what it's worth that's trained on diffs and commits and all these other things that looks at like improvements and code and stuff.[00:18:37] It's probably not gonna be just trained on generic code. But the problem with those, those sort of, I would say, applications are that, let's suppose something does change many files, makes large amounts of changes. First of all, it's guaranteed not gonna be. Because even the idea of like reviewing the change takes a long time.[00:18:54] So if the quality and the correct ability is just not there, let's say you had 10 file, a 10 file change and you modified like, you know, file two and four, and those two modifications were consistent, but the other eight files were not consistent. Then suddenly the correct ability is like really hard.[00:19:10] It's hard to correct the output of the model. And so the user interface is 100% really important. But maybe until you get the latency down or the correct ability, like correct ability, like a lot better, it's probably not gonna be shippable. And I think that's what you gotta spend your time focusing on.[00:19:26] Can you deliver a product that is actually something users want to use? And I think this is why I was talking about like demo. It's like very easy to hand to handpick something that like works, that works for a demo, exceedingly hard for something that has large scope, like a PR to work consistently. It will take a lot of engineering effort to make it work on small enough chunks so that a user is like, wow, this is value generative to me.[00:19:49] Because eroding user trust or consumer trust is very easy. Like that is, it is is much, much, it's very easy to erode user trust versus enterprise. So just be mindful of that, and I think that's probably like the mantra that most of these companies need to operate under. Have you done any[00:20:05] Alessio Fanelli: analysis on. What the ratio between code generated and latency is.[00:20:11] So you can generate one line, but you could also generate the whole block. You can generate Yeah. A whole class and Yeah. You know, the more you generate the, the more time it takes. Like what's the sweet spot that, that you[00:20:21] Varun Mohan: found? Yeah, so I think there was a great study and, and I'm not sure if it's possible to link it, but there was a great study about co-pilot actually that came out.[00:20:28] Basically what they said was there were two ways that developers usually develop with a code assistant technology. They're either in what's called like acceleration mode or exploration mode. And exploration mode is basically you're in the case where you don't even know what the solution space for the function is.[00:20:43] and you just wanna generate a lot of code because you don't even know what that looks like. Like it might use some API that you've never heard of. And what you're actually doing at that point is like you're writing a clean comment, just wishing and praying that you know, the generation is long enough and gets you, gets you far enough, right?[00:20:57] acceleration mode is basically you are doing things where you are very confident in what you're doing and effectively. Code gives you that muscle so that you can basically stay in flow state and you're not thinking about like exactly what the APIs look like, but push comes to shove. You will figure out what the APIs look like, but actually like mentally, it takes off like a load in your head where you're like, oh wow.[00:21:18] Like I can just do this. The intent to execution is just a lot, a lot lower there. And I think effectively you want a tool that captures that a little bit. And we have heuristics in terms of captur. Whether or not you're in acceleration versus exploration mode. And a good heuristic is, let's say you're inside like a basic block of a piece of code.[00:21:37] Let's say you're inside a a block of code or an IF statement, you're probably already in acceleration mode and you would feel really bad if I started generating the ELs clause. Because what happens if that else causes really wrong? That's gonna cause like mental load for you because you are the way programmers think.[00:21:51] They only want to complete the if statement first, if that makes sense. So there are things where we are mindful of like how many lines we generate if you use the product, like multi-line generations happen and we are happy to do them, but we don't want to do them when we think it's gonna increase load on developers, if that makes sense.[00:22:07] That[00:22:07] Alessio Fanelli: makes sense. So co-pilot for x. , what are access that you think are interesting for people to build[00:22:13] Varun Mohan: in? Didn't we see some, some tweet recently about Harvey ai, uh, company that, that is trying to sell legal? It's like a legal, legal assistance. That's, that's pretty impressive, honestly. That's very impressive.[00:22:23] So it seems like I would really love to see what the product looks like there, because there's a lot of text there. You know, looking at bing, bing, ai, like, I mean, it's, it's pretty cool. But it seems like groundedness is something a lot of these products struggle with, and I assume legal, if there's one thing you want them to.[00:22:39] To get right. It's like the groundedness. Yeah.[00:22:42] swyx: Yeah. I've made the analogy before that law and legal language is basically just another form of programming language. You have to be that precise. Yes. Definitions must be made, and you can scroll to find the definition. It's the same thing. Yes. ,[00:22:55] Varun Mohan: yes. Yeah. But like, I guess there's a question of like comprehensiveness.[00:22:59] So like, let's say, let's say the only way it generates a suggestion is it provides like, you know, citations to other legal. You don't want it to be the case that it misses things, so you somehow need the comprehensiveness, but also at the same time, you also don't want it to make conclusions that are not from the site, the things at sites.[00:23:15] So, I don't know, like that's, that's very impressive. It's clear that they've demonstrated some amount of value because they've been able to close a fairly sizable enterprise contract. It was like a firm with 3,500 lawyers, something nuts, honestly. Very cool. So it's clear this is gonna happen, uh, and I think people are gonna need to be clever about how they actually make it work.[00:23:34] Within the constraints of whatever workload they're operating in. Also, you, you guys[00:23:37] swyx: are so good at trading stuff, why don't you, you try[00:23:39] Varun Mohan: cloning it. Yeah. So I think, I think that's, that's, uh, preview the roadmap. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, but I'm just kidding. I think one of the things that we genuinely believe as a startup is most startups can't really even do one thing properly.[00:23:52] Mm-hmm. Focus. Yeah. Yeah. Usually doing one thing is really hard. Most companies that go public have like maybe a couple big products. They don't really have like 10, so we're under no illusions. Give the best product experience, the amount of engineering and attention to detail, to build one good product as hard.[00:24:08] So it's probably gonna be a while before we even consider leaving code. Like that's gonna be a big step because the amount of learning we need to do is gonna be high. We need to get users right. We've learned so much from our users already, so, yeah, I don't think we'd go into law anytime soon.[00:24:22] swyx: 3,500 lawyers with Ellen and Ry, uh, is, is is apparently the, the new[00:24:27] Varun Mohan: That's actually really big.[00:24:28] Yeah. Yeah. I can congrat.[00:24:29] swyx: Yeah, it's funny cuz like, it seems like these guys are moving faster than co-pilot. You know, co-pilot just launched, just announced enterprise, uh, like co-pilot for teams or co-pilot for Enterprise. Yeah. After like two years of testing.[00:24:40] Varun Mohan: Yeah, it does seem like the co-pilot team has built a very, very good product.[00:24:44] Um, so I don't wanna like say anything, but I think it is the case to startups will be able to move faster. I feel like that is true, but hey, like GitHub has great distribution. Whatever product they do have, they will be able to sell it really. Shall[00:24:56] swyx: we go into model numbers and infra estimates? our favorite[00:25:01] Varun Mohan: topics.[00:25:02] Nice small models. Nice.[00:25:04] swyx: So this is, um, relevant to basically I'm researching a lot of skilling law stuff. You have a lot of thoughts. You, you host paper discussions[00:25:12] Varun Mohan: in your team. Yeah, we, we try to like read papers that we think are really interesting and relevant to us. Recently that's been, there's just a fire hose of papers.[00:25:21] You know, someone even just curating what papers we should read internally as a company. Yeah, I think, I think there's, there's so much good content[00:25:28] swyx: out there. You should, you guys should have a podcast. I mean, I told you this before. Should have a podcast. Just, just put a mic near where, where you guys are[00:25:33] Varun Mohan: talking.[00:25:34] We gotta, we gotta keep developing coding though, . No, but you're doing this discussion[00:25:38] swyx: anyway. You[00:25:38] Varun Mohan: might as well just, oh, put the discussion on a podcast. I feel like some of the, some of the thoughts are raw, right? Like, they're not gonna be as, as nuanced. Like we'll just say something completely stupid during our discussions.[00:25:48] I don't know, , maybe that's exciting. Maybe that's, it's kinda like a justin.tv, but for ML papers, Okay, cool. I watched that.[00:25:55] swyx: Okay, so co-pilot is 12 billion parameters. Salesforce cogen is up to 16. G P t three is 175. GP four is gonna be 100 trillion billion. Yeah. So what, what we landed on with you is with, uh, with Cilla, is that we now have an idea of what compute optimal data scaling is.[00:26:14] Yeah. Which is about 20 times parameters. Is that intuitive to you? Like what, what did that[00:26:18] Varun Mohan: unlock? I think basically what this shows is that bigger models are like more data efficient, like given the same number of tokens, a big model like trained on the same number of tokens. A bigger model is like, is gonna learn more basically.[00:26:32] But also at the same time, the way you have to look at it is there are more flops to train a bigger model on the same number of tokens. So like let's say I had a 10 billion parameter model and I trained it on on 1 million tokens, but then I had a 20 billion parameter model at the end of it will be a better.[00:26:47] It will have better perplexity numbers, which means like the probability of like a prediction is gonna be better for like the next token is gonna be better. But at the end of it, you did burn twice the amount of compute on it. Right? So Shinto is an interesting observation, which says if you have a fixed compute budget, And you want the best model that came out of it because there's like a difference here where a model that is, that is smaller, trained on the same number of tokens as fewer flops.[00:27:12] There's a a sweet spot of like number of tokens and size a model. I will say like people probably like. Are talking about it more than they should, and, and I'll, I'll explain why, but it's a useful result, which is like, let's say I have, you know, some compute budget and I want the best model. It tells you what that, what you should generate.[00:27:31] The problem I think here is there is a real trade off of like, you do need to run this model somewhere. You need to run it on a piece of hardware. So then it comes down to how much memory does that piece of hardware have. Let's say for a fixed compute budget, you could train a 70 billion parameter. What are you gonna put that on?[00:27:47] Yeah, maybe you could, could you put that on an 80 gig, A 100? It would be a stretch. You could do things like f, you know, in eight F p a, to reduce the amount of memory that's on the box and do all these other things. But you have to think about that first, right? When you want to go out and train that model.[00:27:59] The worst case is you ended up training that mo, that model, and you cannot serve it. So actually what you end up finding is for a lot of these code completion models, they are actually what you would consider over-trained . So by that I mean like, let's look at a model like Cogen. It's actually trained on, I believe, and, and I could be wrong by, you know, a hundred billion here or there.[00:28:18] I got some data. Oh, okay. Let's look at the 3 billion parameter model. It's a 2.7. I think it's actually a 2.7 billion barometer model. It's weird because they also trained on natural language on top of code, but it's trained on hundreds of billions of tokens. If you applied that chinchilla, Optimization to it, you'd be like, wow, this is, this is a stupid use of compute.[00:28:36] Right? Because three, they should be going to 60, any anything more than 60. And they're like, they should have just increased the model size. But the reality is if they had like the compute optimal one might not be one that's easy to serve, right? It could just have more parameters. And for our case, our models that we train internally, they might not be the most compute.[00:28:56] In other words, we probably could have had a better model by making it larger, but the trade off would've been latency. We know what the impact of having higher latency is, and on top of that, being able to fit properly on our hardware constraints would've also been a concern.[00:29:08] swyx: Isn't the classic stopping point when you, you see like loss kind of levels off.[00:29:12] Right now you're just letting chinchilla tell you,[00:29:16] Varun Mohan: but like you should just look at loss. The problem is the loss will like continue to go down. It'll just continue to go down like, like in a, in a way that's like not that pleasing. It's gonna take longer and longer. It's gonna be painful, but it's like one of those things where if you look at the perplexity number of difference between.[00:29:31] Let's say a model that's like 70 billion versus 10 billion. It's not massive. It's not like tens of percentage points. It's like very small, right? Mm. The reality is here, like, I mean this comes down to like IQ of like these models in some sense, like small wins at the margins are massive wins in terms of iq.[00:29:47] Like it's harder to get those and they don't look as big, but they're like massive wins in terms of reasoning. They can now do chain of thought, all these other things. Yeah, yeah, yeah.[00:29:55] swyx: It's, and, and so apparently unlocked around the[00:29:57] Varun Mohan: 20 billion. Yes. That's right. Some kind of magic. Yeah. I think that was from the UL two or maybe one of those land papers.[00:30:03] Any thoughts on why? Like is there is? I don't know. I mean, emergence of intelligence, I think. I think maybe one of the things is like we don't even know, maybe like five years from now of what we're gonna be running are transformers. But I think it's like, we don't, we don't 100% know that that's true. I mean, there's like a lot of maybe issues with the current version of the transformers, which is like the way attention works, the attention layers work, the amount of computers quadratic in the context sense, because you're like doing like an n squared operation on the attention blocks basically.[00:30:30] And obviously, you know, one of the things that everyone wants right now is infinite context. They wanna shove as much prop as possible in here. And the current version of what a transformer looks like is maybe not ideal. You might just end up burning a lot of flops on this when there are probably more efficient ways of doing it.[00:30:45] So I'm, I'm sure in the future there's gonna be tweaks to this. Yeah. Uh, but it is interesting that we found out interesting things of like, hey, bigger is pretty much always better. There are probably ways of making smaller models significantly better through better data. That is like definitely true. Um, And I think one of the cool things that the stack showed actually was they did a, like a, I think they did some ablation studies where they were like, Hey, what happens if we do, if we do decontamination of our data, what happens if we do de-duplication?[00:31:14] What happens if we do near dup of our data and how does the model get better? And they have like some compelling results that showcase data quality really matters here, but ultimately, Yeah, I think it is an interesting result that at 20 billion there's something happening. But I also think like some of these things in the future may look materially different than what they look like right now.[00:31:30] Hmm. Do you think[00:31:31] Alessio Fanelli: the token limitation is actually a real architectural limitation? Like if you think about the tokens need as kind of like atic, right? Like once you have. 50,000 tokens context, like 50,000 or infinite. For most use cases, it's like the same. Where do you think that number is, especially as you think about code, like some people have very large code bases, there's a lot.[00:31:53] Have you done any work there to figure out where the sweet[00:31:55] Varun Mohan: spot is? Yeah, look, I think what's gonna really end up happening is if people come up with a clever way and, and it, there was some result research that I believe came out of Stanford. I think the team from the Helm group, I think came out with some architecture that looks a little bit different than Transformers, and I'm sure something like this will work in the future.[00:32:13] What I think is always gonna happen is if you find a cheap way to embed context, people are gonna figure out a way to, to put as much as possible in because L LM so far have been like virtually stateless. So the only thing that they have beyond fine tuning is like just shoveling everything you can inside.[00:32:28] And there are some interesting papers, like retro, actually there are maybe some interesting pieces of thought like ideas that have come out recently. Yeah, let's go through them. So one of the really interesting ideas, I think is retro. It's this paper that came out of DeepMind and the idea is actually, let's say you send out, you send out, uh, a prompt.[00:32:44] Okay? Send out a prompt. You compute the burt embedding of that. And then you have this massive embedding database. And by massive, I'm not talking about like gigabytes, I'm talking about terabytes. Like you have, geez, you actually have 10 times the number of tokens as what was used to train the model. So like, let's say you had a model that was trained on a trillion tokens, you have a 10 trillion embed, uh, like embedding database.[00:33:04] And obviously Google has this because they have all content that ever existed in humanity and they have like the best data set and sort of, they were able to make one of these, uh, embedding databases. But the idea here, which is really cool, is you end. Taking your prompt, computing, the bird, embedding you find out the things that were nearby.[00:33:20] So you do roughly like a semantic search or an embedding search within that. And then you take those, you take the documents that were from those embeddings and you shove those in the model too, in what are called like cross chunked attention. So you like shove them in the model with it as well.[00:33:34] Suddenly now the model is able to take in external. Which is really exciting actually, because suddenly now you're able to get dynamic context in, and the model in some sense is deciding what that context is. It's not deciding it completely. In this case, because the Bert model in this case was actually frozen.[00:33:50] It wasn't trained with the retro model as well, but. The idea is you're somehow adding or augmenting context, which I think is like quite exciting. There's probably two futures. Either context becomes really cheap. Right now it's quadratic. Maybe there's a future where it becomes linear in the, in the size of the context, but the future might actually be the model itself dictates, Hey, I have this context.[00:34:10] You have this data source. Give me this. The model itself is going out into your database and like being like, I want this information, and this is kind of like. What Bing search is looking like. Right? Or bing chat is sort of looking like where it's like I, the model is probably, there's probably some model that's saying I want this information.[00:34:27] And that is getting augmented into the context. Now the model itself knows what context it sort of has and it can sort of like build a state machine of sort of what it needs. And that's probably what the future of this looks like. So you, you[00:34:37] swyx: predict monster embedding database[00:34:39] Varun Mohan: companies? Probably Monster embedding database companies or, yeah.[00:34:43] The model in some sense will need to talk to, Talk to these embedding databases. I'm actually not convinced that the current breed of embedding database companies are like ready for what the future sort of looks like. I think I'm just looking at their pricing, how much it costs per gigabyte and it's prohibitive at the scale we're talking about, like let's say you actually did want to host a 10 terabyte embedding database.[00:35:03] A lot of them were created, let's say two years ago, two, three years ago, where people were like, you know, embedding databases are small and they need to make the cost economics work. But maybe, yeah, there's probably gonna be a big workload there. I will just say for us, we will probably just build this in-house to start with, and that's because I think the technology probably isn't there.[00:35:20] And I think that the technology isn't there yet. Like waiting on point solutions to come up is a lot harder, um, than probably building it up. The way I, I like to think about this is probably the world looks on the LM space. Looks like how the early internet days were, where I think the value was accrued to probably like Google and Google needed to figure out all the crazy things to make their workload work.[00:35:41] And the reason why they weren't able to outsource is, is no one else was feeling the pain. ,[00:35:46] swyx: they're just solving their own pain points. They're just solving their own pain points. They're so far ahead of everyone else. Yes, yes. And just wait[00:35:50] Varun Mohan: for people to catch up. Yes. Yes. And that's maybe different than how things like Snowflake look where the interface has been decided for what SQL looks like 50 years ago.[00:35:58] And because of that, you can go out and build the best database and Yeah, like everyone's gonna be like, this doesn't make my beer taste better. And buy your database basically. That's[00:36:08] swyx: a great reference, by the way. Yeah. We have some friends of the, the pod that are working on embedding database, so we'll try to connect you Toroma[00:36:14] Varun Mohan: and see.[00:36:14] Yeah. Oh, I actually know Anton. I worked with him at Neuro. Oh. Although, there you go. Yeah. Uh, what do you, well, what do you think about, I mean,[00:36:20] swyx: so chromas pivoting towards an embedding[00:36:22] Varun Mohan: database. I think it's an interesting idea. I think it's an interesting idea. I wonder what the early set of workloads that.[00:36:27] They will hit our, and you know what the scaling requirements are. This is maybe the classic thing where like, the teams are great, but you need to pick a workload here that you care about the most. You could build anything. You could build anything. When you're an infrastructure company, you can go in, if I was selling, serving in for, I could build, serving for like linear aggression.[00:36:44] I could build this, but like, unless you hit the right niche for the end user, it's gonna be. . So I think it, I'm excited to see what comes out and if they're great, then we'll use it. Yeah.[00:36:54] swyx: I also like how you slowly equated yourself to Google there. Oh, we're not, we're not Google. You're, you're gonna be the Google of ai.[00:37:00] Varun Mohan: We're definitely, we're definitely not Google. But I was just saying in terms of like, if you look at like the style of companies that came out. Yeah. You know? Absolutely. Or maybe we should live in the cutting edge in[00:37:08] swyx: the future. Yeah. I think that's the pitch.[00:37:10] Varun Mohan: Okay, thanks for b***h us.[00:37:13] Alessio Fanelli: So you just mentioned the older vector embedding source are kind of not made for the L l M generation of compute size.[00:37:21] what does l LM ops look like? You know, which pieces need to be drastically different? Which ones can we recycle?[00:37:27] Varun Mohan: Yeah. One of the things that we've found, like in our own thing of building code that's been just shows how much is missing, and this is the thing where like, I don't know how much of this you can really outsource, which is like we needed to build eval infrastructure.[00:37:40] That means how do you build a great code? And there are things online like human eval, right? And uh, I was telling, which is the benchmark telling Sean about this, the idea of human eval is really neat for code. The idea is you provide a bunch of functions with Docstrings and the eval instead of being, did you predict next token?[00:37:56] It's like, did you generate the entire function and does the function run correctly against a bunch of unit tests? Right. And we've built more sophisticated evals to work on many languages, to work on more variety of code bases. One of the issues that ends up coming up with things like human eval is contam.[00:38:12] Because a lot of these, uh, things that train models end up training on all of GitHub GitHub itself has human eva, so they end up training on that. And then the numbers are tiny, though. It's gonna be tiny, right? But it doesn't matter if it's tiny because it'll just remember it. It'll remember that it's, it's not that it's that precise, but it will, it's like, it's basically like mixing your, your training and validation set.[00:38:32] It's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But we've seen cases where like online where someone is like, we have a code model that's like, they we're like, we did this one thing, and HU and human eval jumped a ton and we were just like, huh, did human eval get into your data set? Is that really what happened there?[00:38:46] But we've needed to build all this eval. And what is shown is data cleaning is massive, but data cleaning looks different by. Like code data cleaning is different than what is a high quality piece of code is probably different than what's a high quality legal document. Yeah. And then on top of that, how do you eval this?[00:39:01] How do you also train it at scale at whatever cost you really want to get? But those are things that the end user is either gonna need to solve or someone else is gonna need to solve for them. And I guess maybe one of the things I'm a little bearish on is if another company comes out and solves eval properly for a bunch of different verticals, what was the company that they were selling to really?[00:39:21] What were they really doing at that point? If they themselves were not eval for their own workload and all these other things? I think there are cases where, let's say for code where we probably couldn't outsource our eval, like we wouldn't be able to ship models internally if we didn't know how to eval, but it's clear that there's a lot of different things that people need to take.[00:39:38] Like, Hey, maybe there's an embedding piece. How large is this embedding database actually need to be? But hey, this does look very different than what classic ML ops probably did. Mm-hmm. . How[00:39:47] Alessio Fanelli: do you compare some of these models? Like when you're thinking about model upgrading and making changes, like what does the testing piece of it internally?[00:39:56] Yeah. For us look like.[00:39:56] Varun Mohan: For us, it's like old school AB testing. We've built like infrastructure to be able to say, ramp up users from one to 10 to. 50% and slowly roll things out. This is all classic software, uh, which[00:40:09] swyx: you do in-house. You don't, you don't buy any[00:40:10] Varun Mohan: services. We don't buy services for that.[00:40:13] There are good services, open source services that help you just don't need them. Uh, yeah, I think that's just like not the most complicated thing for us. Sure. Basically. Yeah. Uh, but I think in the future, maybe, we'll, obviously we use things like Google Analytics and all this other stuff, but Yeah. For things of ramping our models, finding out if they're actually better because the eval also doesn't tell the whole story because also for us, Even before generating the prompt, we do a lot of work.[00:40:36] And the only way to know that it's really good across all the languages that our users need to tell us that it's actually good. And, and they tell us by accepting completions. So, so GitHub[00:40:44] swyx: co-pilot, uh, the extension does this thing where they, they like, they'll set a timer and then within like five minutes, 10 minutes, 20 minutes, they'll check in to see if the code is still there.[00:40:54] I thought it was a[00:40:54] Varun Mohan: pretty creative way. It's, it's a very, it's honestly a very creative way. We do do things to see, like in the long term, if people did. Accept or write things that are roughly so because they could accept and then change their minds. They could accept and then change their minds. So we, we are mindful of, of things like that.[00:41:09] But for the most part, the most important metric is at the time, did they actually, did we generate value? And we want to know if that's true. And it's, it's kind of, it's honestly really hard to get signal unless you have like a non-trivial amount of usage, non-trivial, meaning you're getting, you're doing hundreds of thousands of completions, if not millions of completions.[00:41:25] That sounds like, oh wow. Like, that's like a very small amount. But like it's classic. Maybe like if you look at like when I used to be an intern at Quora, like, you know, now more than seven, eight years ago. When I was there, I like shipped a change and then Cora had like millions of daily actives and then it looked like it was good, and then a week later it was just like way worse.[00:41:43] And how is this possible? Like in a given hour we get like hundreds of thousands of interaction, just like, no, you just need way more data. So this is like one of those things where I think having users is like genuinely very valuable to us, basically. Users is all you need. . Yeah.[00:41:59] swyx: Um, by the way, since you brought out Quora, have you tried po any, any thoughts[00:42:03] Varun Mohan: on po I have not actually tried po I've not actually tried.[00:42:05] I[00:42:05] swyx: mean, it seems like a question answering website that's been around for 20 years or something. Would be very, would be very good at question answering. Yeah.[00:42:12] Varun Mohan: Also Adam, the ceo, is like incredibly brilliant. That guy is like insanely smart, so I'm sure they're gonna do,[00:42:18] swyx: they have accidentally built the perfect like data collection company for For qa.[00:42:22] Varun Mohan: Yeah. . It takes a certain kind of person to go and like cannibalize your original company like the in, I mean, it was kinda stagnant for like a few years. Yeah, that's probably true. That's[00:42:31] swyx: probably true. The observation is I feel like you have a bias to its domain specific. , whereas most research is skewed towards, uh, general models, general purpose models.[00:42:40] I don't know if there's like a, a deeper insight here that you wanna go into or, or not, but like, train on all the things, get all the data and you're like, no, no, no. Everyone needs like customized per task,[00:42:49] Varun Mohan: uh, data set. Yeah. I think I'm not gonna. Say that general intelligence is not good. You want a base model that's still really good and that's probably trained on normal text, like a lot of different content.[00:43:00] But I think probably one thing that old school machine learning, even though I'm like the kind of person that says a lot of old school machine learning is just gonna die, is that training on a high quality data set for your workload is, is always gonna yield better results and more, more predictable results.[00:43:15] And I think we are under no illusions that that's not the case. Basical. And[00:43:19] swyx: then the other observation is bandwidth and connectivity, uh, which is not something that people usually think about, but apparently is a, is a big deal. Apparently training agreed in the synchronous needs, high GPU coordination.[00:43:29] These are deleted notes from Sam Altman talking about how they think about training and I was like, oh yeah, that's an insight. And[00:43:34] Varun Mohan: you guys have the same thing. Yeah. So I guess for, for training, you're right in that it is actually nuts to think about how insane the networks are for NVIDIA's most recent hardware, it's.[00:43:46] For the H 100 boxes, you shove eight of these H 100 s on a. Between two nodes. The bandwidth is 3,200 gigabits a second, so 400 gigabytes a second between machines. That's like nuts when you just sit and think about it. That's like double the memory bandwidth of what a CPU has, but it's like between two machines.[00:44:04] On top of that, within the machine, they've created this, this fabric called envy link that allows you to communicate at ultra low latency. That's even lower than P C I E. If you're familiar, that's like the communication protocol. . Yeah, between like the CPU and the other devices or other P C I E devices.[00:44:21] All of this is to make sure that reductions are fast, low latency, and you don't need to think about it. And that's because like a lot of deep learning has sort of evolved. Uh, training has evolved to be synchronous in the OG days. There is a lot of analysis in terms of how good is asynchronous training, which is like, Hey, I have a node, it has a current state of the model.[00:44:39] It's gonna update that itself locally, and it'll like every once in a while, go to another machine and update the weights. But I think like everyone has converged to synchronous. I'm not exactly sure. There's not a lot of good research on asynchronous training right now. Or maybe there is an, I haven't read it.[00:44:52] It's just that there isn't as much research because people are just like, oh, synchronous works. Uh, and the hardware is continually upleveled to handle[00:44:59] swyx: that. Yeah. It was just un unintuitive to me cuz like the whole purpose of GPUs could train things. A lot of things in parallel. Yes.[00:45:05] Varun Mohan: But the crazy thing is also, maybe I can, I can give some dumb math here.[00:45:09] Sure. Here, which is that, uh, let's go with uh, G B T three, which is like 170 billion per. The optimizer state, so while you're training is 14 times the size of the model, so in this case, if it's like 170 billion parameters, it's probably, I'm not great at mental math here, but that's probably around 2.5 terabytes to just store the optimizer state.[00:45:30] That has gotta be sharded across a lot of machines. Like that is not a single gpu. Even if you take an H 100 with 80 gigs to just shard that much, that's like 40, at least 30 machines. So there's like something there where these things need to communicate with each other too.[00:45:44] swyx: You need to vertically scale horizontally.[00:45:46] Varun Mohan: Yeah. You gotta co-located, you gotta somehow feel like you have this massive, the, the ideal programming paradigm is you feel like you have this massive computer. That has no communication, you know, overhead at all, but it has like infinite computer and infinite memory bandwidth.[00:45:59] swyx: That's the AI cluster. Um, okay, well, uh, we want to head to the questions.[00:46:05] Alessio Fanelli: So favorite AI product that you are not[00:46:08] Varun Mohan: building? Yeah, I'm friends with some of the folks at Mid Journey and I really think the Mid Journey product is super cool, especially seeing how the team is iterating and the quality of generations. It consistently gets upleveled. I think it's like quite neat and I think internally at at exa functional, we've been trying out mid Journey for like random content to like generate images and stuff.[00:46:26] Does it bother[00:46:26] swyx: you that they have like a style. I don't know. It, it seems like they're hedging themselves into a particular, like you want mid journey art, you go there.[00:46:33] Varun Mohan: Yeah. It's a brand of art. Yeah, you're right. I think they do have a style, but it seems more predictably good for that style. Okay. So maybe that's too, so just get good at, uh, domain specific thing.[00:46:41] Yeah. Yeah. maybe. Maybe I, maybe I'm just selling, talking to a booker right now. . Yeah. Uh, okay.[00:46:46] swyx: Uh, next question. Uh, favorite AI people and[00:46:48] Varun Mohan: communities? Yeah, so I think I mentioned this before, but I think obviously the open. The opening eye folks are, are insane. Like we, we only have respect for them. But beyond that, I think Elu is a pretty special group.[00:46:59] Especially it's been now probably more than a year and a half since they released like G P T J, which was like back when open source G PT three Curri, which was comparable. And it wasn't like a model where like, It wasn't good. It was like comparable in terms of perplexity to GT three curity and it was trained by a university student actually, and it just showed that, you know, in the end, like I would say pedigree is great, but in if you have people that are motivated know how computers work and they're willing to just get their hands dirty, you can do crazy things and that was a crazy project that gave me more hope.[00:47:34] Decentral training being potentially pretty massive. But I think that was like a very cool thing where a bunch of people just got on Discord and were chatting and they were able to just turn this out. Yeah. I did[00:47:42] swyx: not know this until I looked in further into Luther, but it was not a formal organization.[00:47:45] Was a company was a startup. It's not, yeah. Bunch of guys on Discord.[00:47:48] Varun Mohan: They gotta you, they gotta keep you research grant and they somehow just wrote some codes. .[00:47:52] Alessio Fanelli: Yeah. Yeah. Listen to APAC with Connor, who's the person, and basically Open Eye at the time was like, we cannot release G P T because it's like too good and so bad.[00:48:01] And he was like, He actually said he was sick, so he couldn't leave home for like a, a few weeks. So it was like, what else am I gonna do? And ended up

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On today's episode of DeFi Decoded, Alex and Andrew speak to Anthony Di Iorio, co-founder of Ethereum and Founder of Jaxx and Decentral. Anthony dedicates much of his time to helping Ethereum and other blockchains become more decentralized, resilient, and widely used. He's also a passionate advocate for Canada and his hometown of Toronto. It's a little-known fact but Ethereum is a made-in-Canada story, with key founders including Vitalik Buterin, from Toronto.  Anthony talks with Andrew and Alex about how Canada missed an opportunity to be the centre for Web3 and what it can do to be a leader again.

Yu-kai Chou is an Author and International Keynote Speaker on Gamification and Behavioral Design. He is the Original Creator of the Octalysis Framework, and the author of Actionable Gamification: Beyond Points, Badges, and Leaderboards. He is currently Founder Partner/Chief Creation Officer of The Octalysis Group, and Chief OP Mentor of Octalysis Prime, a Gamified Mentorship Platform. Yu-kai has been a regular speaker/lecturer on gamification and motivation worldwide, including at organizations like Google, Stanford/Yale/Oxford, LEGO, Tesla, IDEO, BCG, Turkish Airline, the governments of UK, Singapore, South Korea, Kingdom of Bahrain, and many more. His work has empowered over 1 Billion users' experiences across the world. Formerly, he was the Head of Creative Labs & Digital Commerce for HTC, working on pioneering VR technologies. He was also Chief Experience Officer for Decentral, working on blockchain experiences with the Cofounder of Ethereum, Anthony Di Iorio. Yu-kai was one of the earliest pioneers in Gamification, starting his work in the industry in 2003. In 2015, Yu-kai was rated #1 among the “Gamification Gurus Power 100” by RISE, and was also awarded the “Gamification Guru of the Year” Award in 2014, 2015 and 2017 by the World Gamification Congress and the Gamification Europe Conference. He has helped a variety of companies, from seed stage startups to Fortune 500 companies such as LEGO, Uber, Volkswagen/Porsche, Sberbank, eBay, Fidelity Investments, AIG Japan, Verizon, and more. His work has been featured in Forbes, The Wall Street Journal, Business Insider, The World Journal, PBS, NBC, and many more.

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00:00.00 Max Shank Welcome back everybody to Monday mornings with max and Mike it is our 6 month anniversary this is our twenty sixth episode I'm frankly impressed that we have been so consistent because both Mike and myself. Really like our freedom and so this consistent appointment that we have on Mondays has been kind of an anchor for both of our thinking and we've shared a lot of interesting ideas gotten a lot of good feedback and we're gonna. Use this episode to talk about what's going on with us. What's going on with the world and what you should do about it. So Mike thanks for joining me once again, excited as always. 00:52.99 mikebledsoe Ah I'm excited about today because we're gonna talk about current events and we don't do that normally up to this point we've been really good at keeping it a non noncurrent event not talking about what's happening in the world because. Ah, it can be ah, a sketchy thing to talk about that's not we don't want to avoid it because it's sketchy if you've been listening to show so far. We definitely cover some stuff that might be controversial for a lot of people. But when you get into? Yeah yeah, but. 01:24.95 Max Shank It's clear which side our bread is buttered on. Let's just say that. 01:29.56 mikebledsoe When you get into current events. It's um, it's easy to step in it. You know, but we're gonna We're gonna give it a shot anyway and that the things that are going on in the world right now that um, um. 01:39.43 Max Shank Way way way wait wait before we go before we get into that. Let me just say the healthiest thing you can do is focus on how you can embody the values you believe in and deliver value. And pretty much ignore what's happening on a macro scale for the most part that is the healthiest thing you can do caveat over. Yeah I mean you shouldn't It's ah it's interesting because if you are. 02:05.79 mikebledsoe Well now I feel like we shouldn't do the show. Ah. 02:16.84 Max Shank Investing you want to try to ignore the news as much as possible if you are a professional you want to try to ignore the news as much as possible but there are certain realities that you have to be aware of like let me ask you a question if you lived in Canada would you have. Moved out of Canada I probably would have maybe not I don't know. 02:38.61 mikebledsoe I have I have several friends that left I have a few more trying to figure out how to get out I mean it's um I'm listening to ah Ray Dalio's new book right now the changing world order and ah, it's. 02:52.85 Max Shank Earth. 02:58.59 mikebledsoe Really what I really like about books like that um is they he he takes like a 2000 year view same thing with the sovereign individual. It's really good to look at super macro over time cycles and things like that because. It definitely makes what's happening right? now seem not such a big deal like it's it's like okay this is this is really It feels very important because it's happening right now but in the grand scheme of things. It's not important Ray Dalio is somebody who's made a lot of money built a lot of wealth over. 03:22.44 Max Shank The. 03:37.90 mikebledsoe Over his lifetime and the the guys that do that tend to be pretty apolitical I find they they don't really take a side they because they're so zoomed out they can basically they're not getting caught up in all of the the bullshit and so he. He really he's looking at the chinese since the six hundreds he's looking at ah you know the the the dutch the british and the american currencies because they were the dutch had the first reserve currency. The British Pound was the second the american dollar was a third and when you start looking at ah at things from that that more macro perspective and realizing that that as a society we will tend to the pendulum swings from a much more. Leftist political view to a right political view and the pendulum swings pretty hard and every time the pendulum swings there is there are winners and there are losers and it's yeah. 04:48.94 Max Shank It's like we're fish tailing out of control back and forth overcorrection Overcorrection overcorrection. 04:54.57 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, and there's winners and losers along the way. But if you can see the big cycles and not be so emotionally charged by it and get caught up in it which I've watched a lot of my friends I've actually been surprised by a lot of my friends who get in the last couple years when. Super left or they went super right? and I'm just like I'm like Wow I Really thought that you had a ah larger perspective on what's going on. So um, yeah I'm glad we're We're talking about this first because I do encourage everybody. 05:13.99 Max Shank Ah. 05:31.30 mikebledsoe That book by Ray Dahlia is really good. The sovereign individual is really good. The fourth turning that book talks about 100 year cycles and there's 4 generations in every hundred year cycle and what's typical and and that one's specific to America. What's typical um, is like when you read that and you look at what's happening right? now you go oh you can pretty much predict. What's going to happen next and some of these books have done this really well books that were written twenty years ago like the sovereign individual pretty much predicted everything that was going to happen in between two thousand and Twenty Twenty five 06:08.74 Max Shank Five hundred year delta is another interesting one I don't know if you've read that one. It's ah it's even older and you read it now and you're just like whoa like they were they they knew exactly what was in the pipeline and the reason. 06:09.35 mikebledsoe And this. I Haven't read that one. 06:20.65 mikebledsoe Yeah. 06:28.65 Max Shank Um, you can't just perfectly predict the future because you would just you know invest in the company that's going to win ah some of those things are unknowable like the general trend is maybe knowable but you can't pick the timing or the specifics. That's what otherwise they would all be. 06:43.51 mikebledsoe Yeah I heard a good quote. 06:48.32 Max Shank You know multi- multibillionaire trillionaires. 06:50.50 mikebledsoe Yeah I'm ah I'm in this access I'm in this crypto trading group and ah, you know when the market when when bitcoin and a lot of other cryptos took a noseive the last couple months you know a lot of people were freaking out and. Someone came in and said remember time in beats timing time in the market beats timing the market every time and that's another reason it's good to take a macro view because if you look at economics at ah at a. 07:13.85 Max Shank Right. 07:26.63 mikebledsoe You know and hundred year cycles and things like that then you may not be able to pick the specific company. That's gonna win but you can kind of see you can kind of predict about what's gonna happen with the currency and and this and that and so I'm a big believer in. Ah. You know and and reading Warren Buffett and things like that these guys are it's not about picking that one company. Yeah you diversify and you you may catch a really good one or or several good ones. But you know, just just be investing in the things that are working right now is a good idea. 08:00.39 Max Shank And before you do any of that you focus on investing in yourself like just to kind of bring us back to the practical like what do you do about it. First thing you should do is completely ignore the news. Or ah like passive investing until you have built value yourself that you can deliver on a consistent basis because there's nowhere that you can get a better return than building skills including the skill of delivering those skills. At a profit you shouldn't even mess around with trying to stay up with current events or politics and rhetoric or trading currencies until you have built that value building skill. 08:50.98 mikebledsoe Yeah I really like that and it makes me think about you know hunt was a maybe one hundred hundred and fifty years ago the the people that the only people that had a vote at 1 point in America was people who own land and so ah. 09:04.61 Max Shank Landowners. Which kind of makes sense. 09:09.54 mikebledsoe They they were established they had they actually had skin in the game they they were like like likely value producing people in society and so if you think about who's gonna make the best decisions. It's probably gonna be them. Now the argument against that is they're gonna make decisions that are are best for their own good and and you know these other people aren't being represented and and what um the difference in that situation versus what we have now is right Now. It's one of those arguments of everyone needs to be represented and. 09:29.83 Max Shank Wasn't that. 09:46.64 Max Shank Ah. 09:49.11 mikebledsoe And that's more important than making good decisions and and and I get you know if we if if it was always the landowners that got to make the decisions then you know the the possibility of people feeling like they have a voice. 09:51.31 Max Shank Well. 10:07.76 mikebledsoe And being able to gain land might be difficult but it also might really encourage people to buy land which would overall be a good thing because that increases personal responsibility and all sorts of things. 10:17.99 Max Shank Yeah I mean look how parenting works my house my rules but I think in a company. It's the same thing my company my rules the the difference with voting and why democracy is like mob. Democracy is basically just mob rule and I think it's crazy that we have a popularity contest to see which sociopath gets to wield a gargantuan stick ah like it. It makes no sense if you can convince like 51% of the voters. 10:45.25 mikebledsoe I. 10:55.16 Max Shank To say that you're the best you suddenly have this crazy power and that's when you get imbalanced transactions like these companies would not be able to do outlander stuff without the help of lobbying so without the help of the stick. You know, enforcing things with a monopoly of violence. That's why every time you are a participant in a profitable transaction. You are actually creating wealth for both sides and that's why I come back to this idea of the pie makers and the pie slicers and the pie slicers just want to. They think it's a 0 sum game where there's one pie and if they get sharper and sharper knives they can slice it into tinier and tinier pieces. But they've never actually created any value in your life which is why I have like total disdain for politicians because it's like dude, why don't you lend a hand instead of carving up. And creating this victim mentality. It's ridiculous so making yeah right I mean making sense of things I think is valuable um, trying to make sense of what's going on but don't think for a second. 11:55.24 mikebledsoe Yeah, but that works that works in the popularity contest. 12:11.17 Max Shank Um, that the way our society is structured from a political standpoint or a policing standpoint makes any sense at all like don't expect it to be reasonable because it's not reasonable and there are literally hundreds of examples. The the law is too complex for any 1 person to understand the tax code is too complex for any 1 person to understand they have mountains of paper and bills and laws going through the hands of these politicians who are crooks. And they don't even read the fucking things and you have people in jail for smoking grass and you and I are paying to like house that drug user for no reason at all um public school same thing I mean we could go on and on and on but the first but the first thing you have to do is stop. Vexing it to be rational or reasonable because it's not and that's how you can avoid getting caught up in the tribalism because you'll be like you guys are stupid like the only thing that actually makes sense is to. Wipe your own ass and then help out somebody else and the only way you can do that is by having a set of values and creating and delivering value. Everything else is like pretty much mental masturbation unless you actually do want to become one of those people who. Speaks out to try to like move political action. Um, and you know there's a lot of cost to doing something like that. 13:54.57 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 14:00.28 mikebledsoe Um, the good I You know when when I start talking to people about politics or what's going on in the world right now. Um. 14:00.69 Max Shank Got me all riled up actually I don't need any help getting riled up to I. 14:16.49 mikebledsoe I find that I hold ah a fairly unique perspective because I tend I try not to look at what should happen and what should not happen I look at what is happening and I think a lot of times people get a little mixed up and like they. They go oh wow, it sounds like you're an anarchist and and I go well it could sound like that because that's what we live in. We're not that's it's just what is it's not ah and it's and it's becoming more anarchist over time. And what I mean by that is when I think about the word anarchy it just means without a ruler. It doesn't mean without rules and so an anarchist is somebody who takes a hundred percent personal responsibility and is is ready to. Create their own rules for their life and live by their own standards and the the way I see things going is everything's decentralizing so I remember ah had a friend make a post while back where it was like you know, maybe censorship is good. Maybe we shouldn't. You know it's probably a good thing that people aren't telling you how to build a nuclear bomb on Youtube you know that gap ban you know that kind of shit censored so like where do we draw the line and I go I posted and didn't get a response like I got a response the first time and then we start going back and forth and then just stop is. Ah, go. It's not about what should be done or what should be censored. The truth is in the future. Nothing will be censored. So what we got to do is we got to figure out how that works how do we make the world work in a place in a time and place. When due to blockchain technology. All information is actually accessible to everybody all the time. How do you manage that? That's a different thing and so ah because once something. So. Some of this blockchain technology if someone wanted to create a Youtube that worked off a blockchain they could set it up to where it could never be taken down. You'd have to shut down the entire internet over in the entire world to take that shit down and that's where we're going and so I look at that and I go the our job. Is to teach personal responsibility teach people. How to do that because the the people that don't take personal responsibility and they're waiting for someone to rescue them and who are dependent on others they're gonna be the ones left out in the cold first they're gonna get hit the hardest the people who. 16:59.18 mikebledsoe Already take personal responsibility want to create value in the world. They're gonna be fine. So for me, it's not about oh everything should be more libertarian more every this and that it's like no, it's just where it's going and if you want to try to argue against that. It's gonna suck for you because you're spending your time trying to. Manipulate things you're trying to manipulate this entire like billions of people all coming together and and it's a it's a fucking tidal wave that you're not going to just be able to push against and stop might as well just learn how to ride that thing. 17:33.81 Max Shank Yeah I think there's so much wisdom in seeing the world for how it is instead of how you want it to be I think that when it comes to political action or or even like. 17:42.20 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 17:52.86 Max Shank You know, convincing scientists. It might have been buckminster. It's like you don't you don't fight um, against something you obsolete it meaning you make a technology that's better so like fighting against something you're just going to create. 18:00.68 mikebledsoe Yeah. 18:09.33 Max Shank Ah there's going to be an equal and opposite force. So the more you fight the more they fight you back the more you fight the more they fight you back and that's how we have this like huge chasm in the middle because people are seeing a different Tv show basically and I think that's one of the reasons that people are so divided is. Back in the day there was propaganda. There's propaganda today there was propaganda since the dawn of time like all talking is some sort of propaganda. Basically it's just some of it is ah pretty benevolent but back in the day sound like an old guy back in the day we would. Ah. We would at least watch the same propaganda like we'd sit around the Tv and um, watch the same thing now people are choosing their own echo chamber and not only that they're having an algorithm choose their own echo chamber by. 18:48.89 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 19:06.20 Max Shank Not what they will like the best but what will get them to ah what will be the most provocative to them what will get them to engage and fear is more ah urgent than Love. Sadly speaking I mean it makes sense from a survival standpoint. It's ah you know safety is the main thing. So yeah, yeah, you're you're done. 19:29.18 mikebledsoe Yeah, if you don't have that you can't do other shit if you feel like that's about to be taken away. You've got to take action right now. It's an emergency. 19:38.96 Max Shank Right? It's an emergency Well emergency Powers is how we got into this whole mess. Um, you know there's still. There's still no way to know if doing nothing would have been better than doing something and that's. 19:46.40 mikebledsoe I. 19:58.16 Max Shank That's like almost always the case for like political action. Something needs to be done. It's the same as the fucking busybodies in the h o as right some ladies like oh you got ah your hedges are three centimeters too tall and I'm gonna report you to the it's like fuck you. Like don't you have a life so to me, it's the difference between a villain and and and a hero because a hero will be like I have set you free and the villain will be like. I have freed you by offering this new life where you do what the fuck I say and that's the core difference is confidence. This is what is best for me arrogance I know what's best for you and possibly everybody else and that's where it gets very very dark because. Heroes and villains alike believe that they are heroes The only difference is the villain feels justified in coercion which is forcing people into a certain situation. That's the only difference and if you can focus on that it'll be clear the path forward. But um, you know Thanos is probably 1 of the best villains because he was very indiscriminate. You know a lot of villains. They single out a certain population. He's like no no, no just half of you. 21:26.21 mikebledsoe Ah, tell me me more about Thanos I don't know what you're talking about who's Thanos. 21:31.25 Max Shank His way of saving the universe and restoring balance to the universe. He's like some fucking Marvel character I'm not a huge comic book nerd. But he's an avengers. He's the like. Oh definitely I don't know. Ah I'm sure. 21:36.71 mikebledsoe Ah, okay I was like I was like is there some some like Greek god I don't know about I know some of those Marvel characters are based off of you know Nordic gods and almost hit. 21:50.77 Max Shank Oh well, you know of course all the news stories are perfectly unique and there was never anything related to you know, Gilgamesh and heroes he his his solution was to just go everywhere and kill half the people which was like very. 21:55.85 mikebledsoe I I tell us about Anos. 22:07.34 Max Shank Ah, objective he wasn't playing Favorites. He was just saying too many mouths not enough to go around whatever he was. He was like a hedge trimmer for the ah universal population and it's it's villainous because he's appointed himself the decider. For everyone else, but it was very um, impersonal to just choose half the people. Um, so as that relates to what's going on right now is there are a lot of people who think they know best for everyone else and. In order to stay Objective. You have to be able to argue both of the extremes and you have to have some compassion for people who think the opposite of you and the only way to do that is try to argue for. Their story and it's all it's all rhetoric like everything is kind of paradoxical. You know the more you dig down into rhetoric more more you realize like it's either forced or it's not forced and that's kind of that's the line enforced by the stick. 23:17.10 mikebledsoe Yeah, there's a the the technique of a steel man argument is that you build the other side up before you present your side is if you can make them feel heard and understood. They can listen to you so people tend to. 23:20.72 Max Shank Not enforced by the stick. 23:26.60 Max Shank Ah. 23:34.70 mikebledsoe They don't feel like they've been heard and understood then they just keep usually just keep talking. But if you can make them feel heard understood then they'll listen and so there's I mean that's so true in marketing and sales right? that's. 23:43.31 Max Shank Oh. I wasn't even talking about how to have a conversation with them I was just talking about how to have like um you know mental peace for yourself and and not and not assume the people who believe differently than you are evil which I I have definitely been. In that situation before I'm like how can these people justify coercing other people. They must be like maniacs and the truth is like you have to be able to understand it from both sides like the whole like abortion seems crazy to me Like. Think as long as the baby is inside the woman's vagina she should be able to kill it if she wants to um, but I understand exactly why someone would believe the exact opposite of that you know what I mean I Totally understand why. 24:36.28 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, yeah. 24:42.76 Max Shank If someone is in an echo Chamber where they're getting mainlined fear that they would think forcing people to get an injection is the only way that we can all be safe I can totally understand why someone would believe that but when rhetoric is driving policy. Um, man. That's a problem. There should be some absolute truisms about coercion and non-coercion and and that's why I think the whole thing is such a crocoette basically because all of the language that we use to guide the jurisdiction and the authority of the stickholder. Is too complicated to understand it needs to be much more simple, much more clear and you're you're not going to solve it by by fighting against it directly until there's ah, a literal you know revolution of some kind where you just you know wield that power of no. To draw your boundaries and the same thing's true with any relationship you know, drawing boundaries versus being open are two critical skills and if you lack one you're going To. You're going to have a bad Time. Basically. 25:55.67 mikebledsoe Yeah I find when I get in conversations with people that if if they hold this one view then um, I'm not going to really like like we have to talk about this 1 thing because everything. Everything seems a stem off of this 1 thing when it comes to politics and that is there's 2 there's 2 types of people in the world. You have 1 type of person who believes that people the general public people in general are too stupid to make their own decisions and they have to be taken care of. 26:31.69 Max Shank Yep. 26:33.86 mikebledsoe They need to be parented there. They're too stupid to to take care of themselves and they might hurt other people because they're too stupid and so that's that's a large part. That's most people that's anyone who's trying to write and this exactly. 26:40.79 Max Shank Because no one thinks they're the stupid one. It's always for those other stupid people. 26:52.62 mikebledsoe And this happens on the left and the right on the left people are too stupid to you know you know they're they're completely unsafe and you know the example of like are too stupid so they need to be told to wear masks outside even though we all know that's dumb as shit. But basically I had somebody on the left that was. 27:08.36 Max Shank How dare you. 27:12.11 mikebledsoe Had someone on the left I was talking to and they were and you know she's a doctor she goes will you know that we we have to tell them to wear it outside so they'll wear it inside too and because if they think they can if if we start changing up when they can take it where and not wear. It. They just might not wear it and I'm going. Oh you're one of the people who believe that people are too stupid um to to you can't give them complicated. You know, complex directions like where it inside but not outside and so and and the thing is is I couldn't talk to her about anything else. Until she could see that there's a possibility that people actually can learn. They can obtain wisdom and so but I would say I find myself on a side that that people are very capable of taking care of themselves except. And the reason that there's a lot of evidence to the contrary is because people have been robbed of wisdom for so long that we do have a bunch of stupid people and because they haven't been allowed to make any mistakes we've we've nerfed the world we've made the world so safe people actually I watch people cross the street in downtown Austin with their phone in their face because they just of course someone's gonna stop I'm in the crosswalk I'm like you have this is you have ah you're you're being a fool and. The problem is is that people have been made to feel so safe and they haven't been allowed to make mistakes they've been allowed to make mistakes but they they don't have to pay for them and so ah, I'm on the side of everybody hat is capable and and definitely people are different different intellectual levels. No doubt about it. Some people are. Born smarter than other people. Some people are built stronger than other people. So that's just how it is but generally speaking everybody has the opportunity to obtain wisdom and the only way you can obtain wisdom is through experience and making mistakes and. Feeling the pain of those mistakes and so I I sit on the side of the world would be a lot better place if we just let people get hurt if we just and and it and it could and if we were to transition from this everything has to be super safe to this. It might be a little harsh in the beginning I totally get that and making a fast switch might be really difficult but I do think that we do tend to swing between these 2 extremes one is people are too stupid to decide for themselves and on the other side is is radical, um, ah, personal responsibility. 30:05.82 mikebledsoe And so those who have learned radical personal responsibility tend to be very wise and make good decisions. But I think that the people who have done that for for whatever reason have have put themselves out there and put themselves have have felt the pain of making mistakes. Ah, a really good example of this is drug use in San Francisco they they give you a safe place to shoot up your heroin or whatever it is that you want to do and it and it's like okay that's a very compassionate thing to do like okay, we're gonna give them. Safe needles and and yada yadda yadda. But then you have just an entire population of people shooting up on the street and are are you you may be saving that person's life. But how many more people are you just gonna be junkies for the rest of their life. You know. The the repercussions are they gonna come quickly or are they gonna be drawn out over a long period of time and the longer it takes for you to feel the pain of your mistake the less likely you are to to obtain the wisdom for it if I make a mistake and then five years later feel the pain of that mistake. I am way less likely to link the 2 and gain that wisdom. But if I can feel that pain of my mistake immediately say I get on the street. No one gives no one's giving me any money I'm out there painhandling I'm shooting up I'm having a hard time finding needles like think I'm gonna hit rock bottom a lot faster. 31:35.13 Max Shank Oh. 31:40.13 mikebledsoe And one of the things I like to share with people as I coach them is don't don't the the thing that can harm people the most is trying to save them from their apocalypse and because people do need to hit a rock bottom and people's rock. Bottoms are different. 31:42.27 Max Shank You were a heroin addict I knew it. 31:58.17 Max Shank But that's what politicians do That's how they that's how they keep you sucking on their teat is they let they keep you bouncing right? at the bottom so that you always need them. No, it's true I mean you create ah an imbalanced relationship where there's. 31:59.73 mikebledsoe My rock bottom. 32:08.88 mikebledsoe Ah, yeah. 32:16.50 Max Shank You who are the one who has and they who are the one who needs right? and just like you I think if you are free to reap the rewards or suffer the consequences. The result is always going to be better for everybody because then you will incentivize. Pie Makers essentially and you know getting back to one of my core values. It's incentives people respond to Incentives. You know if you if you make ah you know ah a free heroin house I don't know exactly how it's Working. You're going to attract. 32:38.77 mikebledsoe We're here. 32:54.82 mikebledsoe Um, well they have to have reb Rehab Centers some are dirty and some are clean. 32:55.65 Max Shank Anyone anyone who wants to do heroin from all the areas and look frankly frankly I don't I think we should make heroin Legal I mean people are addicted to opiates hardcore. But that's okay so we really cherry pick. What the like bad things are and what the good things are alcohol cigarettes Fine Psilocybin Illegal Marijuana illegal like whoa whoa Whoa Huh and like I can I can become like ah I can I can eat fritos until I'm £400. 33:25.24 mikebledsoe Yeah. 33:33.83 Max Shank Ah, but and that's okay like I mean it's just we we cherry pick. Yeah I mean look ah isn't that a good way to stay. Ah, healthier is to do drugs instead of overeat I would agree I think you're way better off being like a thin guy. 33:33.90 mikebledsoe But I can't smoke opium come on. 33:43.50 mikebledsoe I Think so I I'll blame. Ah. 33:52.65 Max Shank Doing Ah I mean it depends on the drug like I don't think ah I mean I don't think I'm not saying like a crack whore will live longer than an obese guy but it's possible though. Yeah, the drug episode really covers all that. 33:54.79 mikebledsoe It does depend on the drug I. Go back and listen to our its drugs app our drugs Za go listen to our drugs episode that that that's all get. 34:12.80 Max Shank Um, but yeah, it's just ah, the arrogance to think that you know best for everybody else and that whole idea of mob rule like majority rules and you know is it is it really a good idea to let 51% of the population rape the other 49 Just because they voted that they should be able to I mean it's just absurd. That's why it's so important to like create the life you want within the framework and create the incentives and consequences that you want like you know do a little jaywalking just look around if anyone's gonna see you and give you a ticket like. 34:32.88 mikebledsoe Well, it's funny because the. 34:49.15 Max Shank You know there's just the fundamental realities. But but don't buy in to the idea that it's good. 34:55.34 mikebledsoe Yeah, well the the United States was set up to be a republic not a democracy and it's a really interesting like to avoid to the mob rule. It was totally set up to avoid mob rule and because the founding fathers. They. 35:01.17 Max Shank Right. 35:13.55 mikebledsoe Knew that that was a bad idea. They saw how that that was not going to work and the greeks were the first ones to put a Republic in place and that worked until it didn't but the the I What what I find interesting is looking at current events is when people go. Ah, Democracy isn't working. You know it's broken and these politicians say it I'm like no man. Well a it's not a democracy.. It's a Republic and and they're upset because say one side won the majority of an election in the last cycle. And then they're complaining that they don't get to have their way the whole time and it's like yeah, the whole system was set up that you can't just do whatever the fuck you want the 40 the 51 can't abuse the 49 although that does Happen. It's just slower. It's you don't it actually helps to minimize the political swings. Although with technology right now I think that's that's some of the way things are set up right now or not working so well because due to tech information is flowing so fast there there're they's probably yeah. 36:17.73 Max Shank When there are gatekeepers to that information. Also now they have built this I think those are the 2 things that we're basically circling around today is who's controlling the flow of information and who's controlling the flow of. The use of force and maybe also as a third who's controlling the money but that's kind of ah they go hand in hand you know the the the government. What's that oh yeah, yeah, sometimes it gets a much better result. 36:43.80 mikebledsoe Well do you do you use Google do do you use Google I every chart sometimes I I use I use all of them and I find. 36:55.59 Max Shank Then like duck duck go and brave. Different result. 37:02.17 mikebledsoe The top 10 top ten twenty results on Google is so homogenous. It's is and I have a hard time finding good information. It's very watered down. It's very dumb down. It's not. It's hard to find a good essay through a Google search. It's. 37:18.15 Max Shank Well searching is a skill that you develop you learn like what Keywords to use You don't just search for the main idea you search for some sub ideas so you can find it. 37:28.80 mikebledsoe Well last night I was last night I was doing a lot of searching through Google and having a very hard time getting depth around a certain topic I had to go to a different search engine and and so I'm just talking about the the control of information whether it's good or bad. Everyone. 37:34.29 Max Shank Yeah. 37:44.83 Max Shank That part doesn't matter. It's like who will well who will watch the watchers I think is 1984 and now we're in 2022 and it's who will fact, check the fact checkers and it's. 37:48.17 mikebledsoe 99% of the people are using Google and they're deciding what you get to think about. 38:03.49 Max Shank It's so funny How the rhetoric just goes back and forth back and forth is like well it's private company. Ah free speech this free speech that and you know the the nuance of what's the difference between a platform and a publisher and you know free speech.. There's a reason that it's the first. The amendments you can say what you want you can meet up how you want ah and the second one is firearms and basically it's not Firearms. Specifically, it's just they have you have the right to be able to defend yourself with deadly force regardless of what the implement is like you can you know. 38:37.30 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 38:42.42 Max Shank Should be able to own a fucking Rocket Launcher. You know the reality is everybody has a car and they don't drive through crowds all the time. In fact, it's pretty rare. So I think those are the key points is. Back to our you can go visit our censorship episode to see what we really think about that because ah, you're not going to see people who are pro censorship on the good on the right side of History. It's just not going to happen. 39:02.62 mikebledsoe Um, well, what do you think. Now. Yeah, that's a common meme going around right now like yeah I don't remember the last time there was a pro censorship movement that ended. Well yeah, what do you think about Youtube I mean Youtube is a. 39:15.10 Max Shank Yeah I mean it's always for your own good. It's always for your own good. Yeah. 39:24.46 mikebledsoe Youtube is its own company Instagram Facebook these that they're I mean they're publicly held companies but they are. You know we go back to say like natural law then in my in my opinion they should be able to do whatever they want. And it it gets a little sketchy because are they classified and when when you get into the like legal legal you know, ah outside of natural law There's an argument that they're a utility company at this point and once they're utility. They're a public utility company. Now there now they fall under things like the first amendment and it's and that's the argument for it and you know there's there's other plot I'm a um, a so what do you think about that I'm just curious. 40:21.80 Max Shank I'm certain that the the guys with the big stick Cia Fbi whatever are in close contact with those gatekeepers because Twitter is a gate Youtube's a gate Instagram Facebook is a gate. Um, when you control the flow of information like that I don't think um I don't think it's originating only within that company. Um, when I when I have watched when I have watched what's going on with. Ah. 40:50.87 mikebledsoe That's true. 40:57.28 Max Shank Like they do the the little dog and pony show with the the Ceo of the ah the ceos of these companies with the most retarded congressman they can find and senators who don't understand computers trying to get like a sound bite and rake them over the coals. How dare you. 41:16.19 mikebledsoe Oh yeah. 41:16.53 Max Shank So And so customer information our privacy and I'm look I don't know anything I'm dumb too. But the people that they send out to like slap these guys on the wrist is the most ridiculous dog and pony show with the most uninformed ignorant politicians. You can even imagine like if you were one of those ceos you would just have to be laughing to yourself like are you kidding me, it looks. It's It's ridiculous. It has dude that is not what's happening that is not their communication that is a show so they can get a soundb bite and be like. 41:38.25 mikebledsoe Um, well sometimes sometimes I wonder if if. 41:55.19 Max Shank Oh so and so senator slams Zuckerberg in a fucking congressional http://smackdownwwewwe and it's like that's not what's going on. That's they they did this dog and pony show so they could have these sound bites to show you. But like you don't think that they're being hardcore flexed on by you know, ah the government the stickholders to like do what they say like I would be shocked if that was really how the information was going. 42:25.80 mikebledsoe Well I I also think that you know I look at say Zuckerberg going in front of congress. Whatever I i. I don't believe either way but I definitely play around with different scenarios in which case he's actually in charge of the whole show and he needs to it's a Pr move for for this to happen so people will still like like got oh we need. Facebook wants the censor so they need the government to come in and make them look like they've been fucking up their ability to censor and it's hurting the american public and so to me I go I look at that and I go maybe maybe yeah, it's a check like. 43:12.77 Max Shank It's like a chess game. You think they're they're going back and forth. 43:16.73 mikebledsoe The entire public's getting riled up and then Zuckerberg goes home and he goes like oh those's a bunch of idiots they fell for the whole thing and now we really get to do what we want to do so yeah, even better engagement I got a lot of free Pr you know? Yeah yeah, and so it's ah. 43:20.30 Max Shank Yeah, right, even better engagement more more advertising. Yeah, exactly. 43:35.70 mikebledsoe I really I've moved to the opinion that that big tech is the 1 wagging the dog these days and so it's. 43:43.40 Max Shank Interesting. But you don't think that like they could just totally blow up their whole operation and you know say hey you are a monopoly we need to split you up or we're going to nationalize it. 43:56.74 mikebledsoe I I think these guys have too much money we have too much money. Bezos thing about Bezos this dude is destroying a bridge to have his yacht delivered. They're gonna destroy a bridge deliver his yacht and then rebuild it. Ah if Bezos decided he's got some. 43:58.55 Max Shank I Mean you would you would imagine like there's so much power there Huh maybe? yeah du. I mean I'm pretty sure like all of these people we're talking about could have someone murdered and not be found out like that. No what like. 44:16.47 mikebledsoe Let it go swing. Pretty sure they probably have like I'd be I'd be so right? I'd be surprised I'd be surprised if it wasn't the case. But um. 44:30.40 Max Shank The whole. That's why the word conspiracy like irks me so much because it just means people meeting in secret that happens all the time people are always meeting in secret to try to better their situation. Um, you know Jfk M L K if you have a 3 letter. 44:36.52 mikebledsoe All the time. Yeah. 44:49.54 Max Shank Ah, initials with a K at the end you're you're probably going to be murdered, especially especially if you if you are saying we should ah just all love each other and get along they fucking hate that that's like the worst thing. 44:52.74 mikebledsoe Yeah RFK now 45:05.36 Max Shank Like the worst thing you can say is like hey guys can't we all just get along and you know not bomb each other and crucified that guy literally. 45:07.90 mikebledsoe Pretty sure that's what ah what? Jesus did and they they ah murdered him. Yeah, yeah, okay I want to I want to cover I want to rewind a little bit and go back to what is happening and ah. I get a little giddy at times because I think for those of us who are you know have the ability to be self-sustaining and are are really into personal responsibility when ah when you look at what's going on. It's it's a bit of a meltdown. And so a really good example of this is the truckers up in Canada these these truckers up in Canada there's just ah, an example of the way things are going no matter what you think should be happening or should not be happening. 45:49.11 Max Shank We'll just print more money. It'll be fine. 46:02.37 mikebledsoe And these truckers in Canada are out there protesting you know the mandates and all this the way the media is presenting. It is very different than. 46:10.52 Max Shank I heard it was I heard it was just a couple of guys who are racists I heard it was just a couple of racists and I'm pretty sure a few of them fuck kids that's isn't that isn't that the story. All my all. 46:15.54 mikebledsoe Ah, yeah, yeah, well yeah, that's how it goes Well it. 46:27.43 Max Shank All my opponents are racist pedophiles I Just want to put that on record anyone who opposes me. 46:29.28 mikebledsoe Yeah, well I just I wanna I wanna point this out is is it's the way it's being covered like I know people that are up there and you know what's being reported like boots on the ground versus what's being reported on the news. Very very different I think that. I think the same thing was happening with black lives matter. You know there there was there was what was presented and what was not presented I went to Oakland I went downtown Oakland three days after they were burning cars in the middle of the street. Ah because I had I just want I was in the area and I wanted to see it. My girlfriend thought I was crazy. 47:06.46 Max Shank I get it. 47:07.46 mikebledsoe Ah, but I I want I was curious man and so um I went up there and actually did an interview with a friend who lives in the building where the outside was just fucking completely boarded up and and had been spray painted and um. You know the way that that was presented versus the way that my friend who lived in the middle of the whole thing talked about it was different and then we look at what's happening up in Canada and ah, what's it called. They're called a something provocateurs it and I just want to bring this. 47:31.29 Max Shank Ah. 47:43.11 mikebledsoe As a possibility to people so they don't get too caught up in the bullshit is the majority of people in a protest are probably peaceful. They're generally whatever, pretty peaceful and then you yeah, a lot of dead people and then. 47:54.91 Max Shank Um, if they weren't You'd have a lot of dead people a lot of destroyed property. 48:02.64 mikebledsoe And then what you have is you have a few people out there doing crazy shit are they are they on on their own a court are they are they cia are they are they going in there. There's evidence of like the Fbi having somebody encouraging poor behavior. Because now it gives the government an excuse to to lock down more on on this situation I don't know about Yeah yeah, false flag? Yeah well what What's interesting is. 48:25.60 Max Shank It's like a gulf of tonkin kind of thing the false flag I think it's false flag for Vietnam like just not real basically and I always thought about that too like if you are a blue t-shirt guy. The best thing you can do. Is put on a red t-shirt and act like an asshole and vice versa like it's that's what's more effective than that. 48:43.17 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, well a lot of times people people don't want to believe that's what's happening right now even though it's been happening all throughout history the ah like American media will talk about. Oh. 48:54.34 Max Shank Right. 48:59.85 mikebledsoe Like they're talking about it happening with Russia and the Ukraine right now they're like oh Russia is pulling a false flag so they can do whatever I'm like but that's not gonna happen in America that's not gonna happen in Canada you're saying that's not possible here but you're pointing out that the russians are bad because they're doing it over there and are they doing it over there who the fuck knows and then. So you have this whole thing up in Canada which is interesting because you know it does look like somebody put up a ah a nazi flag or whatever and maybe there was a racist trucker who's a nazi and want to do that. Maybe it was somebody from the canadian government that went up there and did that so they could. You know because the the canadian government looks really bad right now. really really bad um canadians are like the nicest people on the whole fucking planet and ah to think that there's there's hundreds of thousands of nazis up in Canada that just all of a sudden sprung up. He's like. 49:51.25 Max Shank Everybody's got a limit. Yeah, totally. 49:58.14 mikebledsoe Ah, it's anyone who's thinking clearly is going to see that That's probably not true, but. 50:03.59 Max Shank But you're not going to be thinking clearly if you are just getting triggered into lizard mode right? So as soon as soon as you even see a swastika. You're not going to be like oh yeah I remember when that was a Tibetan symbol of peace. You're gonna be like those are. 50:08.27 mikebledsoe Absolutely. 50:19.98 mikebledsoe Um, yeah. 50:21.77 Max Shank So though it's an ad hominem attack where you will justify anything. You're like oh we should kill all of these people. It's like no, we should laugh at them for having such outdated ideas but you shouldn't be able to kill anybody. That's why I think. 50:34.44 mikebledsoe Yeah. 50:40.19 Max Shank Ah, the definition of terrorist and hate crime are 2 of the most sinister definitions in our modern times because there should just be crime. It's a crime or it's not a crime the the hatefulness of it should not be taken into consideration and the word terrorist. 50:53.67 mikebledsoe Agreed I agreed well here. 50:58.14 Max Shank Is basically carte blanche to be like oh yeah, he's ah he's a terrorist which means um, all the rules are suspended. We can just fuck you up for no reason for no reason like the whole due process is evaporated with 1 word terrorist the whole due process is evaporated with 1 word. 51:05.70 mikebledsoe Yeah. 51:17.64 Max Shank Emergency the whole idea of crime and punishment is now skewed on its fucking head for 1 term hate crime. It's like dude this is insane. 51:25.42 mikebledsoe Well the hate crime thing is very interesting to me because it assumes somebody else's intention. You are you are saying that you actually know you. It shouldn't matter. But the thing is is it's impossible for someone to know what's. 51:34.64 Max Shank But that shouldn't even matter. 51:44.54 mikebledsoe Someone else's internal experience is people you're saying oh is I hate crimes like ah so I it's the same thing as calling someone else racist now if someone says you know I am racist I'm like okay I'll believe you if you if you claim being racist I like buck it I'll believe you. But for someone else to point at somebody else and be like you're racist or that was a hate crime I'm like do you know?? what's in my heart is that is that even possible and so and you're right? and and this is why these things should be judged on the behavior alone is it a crime. Yes or no, okay, well. 52:09.20 Max Shank Yeah, it's insane. Insane. 52:24.25 mikebledsoe There's a penalty for that. So I'm in complete agreement. Yeah ever hear that. 52:25.26 Max Shank The content of your character. Not the color of your skin Martin Luther King again I mean look I didn't know the guy personally he seemed pretty cool but if he like beat up a white fella I wouldn't be like oh that's a hate crime I'd be like wow he must have been really upset at that guy like it. 52:40.88 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably not about race. It's probably about something else. Um, well well going back to the truckers and and what is happening is I got a little chuckle out of this is. 52:44.60 Max Shank Doesn't. Yeah, it's Ridiculous. It's absurd. 53:00.57 mikebledsoe Go fund me. There's a go fund me operating to support these truckers. It was up to $10000000 what does gofundme. Do they steal it. They steal the money and ah at first some people thought they basically shut it down people thought oh they're just gonna refund everybody their money. No, they redistribute it to other organizations that they wanted to send the money to so so you have you have theft. Yeah, it's it's stealing. They just stole a bunch of people's money they stole the trucker's money they stole money from the people who don't I don't. 53:24.36 Max Shank Heavy That's stealing That's stealing. 53:38.99 mikebledsoe Like I didn't donate money but like if I were to donate that money and then they were to send it to some organization that I didn't intend for it to go to I'd be fucking furious, but here's the thing is it is theft and you know what the government may not do anything about it and you know and and. 53:44.59 Max Shank Ah I bet. 53:52.89 Max Shank Why would they they might have been the ones behind it. It's okay. 53:58.48 mikebledsoe That's okay because you know what's happening now people are donating in bitcoin and they'll probably get even more and there's a really good example of the pendulum swinging or what you were saying earlier is when you when you try to push and attack something you're gonna get. 54:09.82 Max Shank Ah. 54:16.80 Max Shank Equal and opposite force. Yeah, it's like like it's like a it's like a 2 sided trampoline where it actually amplifies back even more. 54:17.73 mikebledsoe Ah, greater force. Yeah I mean things be equal. It's gonna be fusly because there's a motion behind it. Yeah, so ah, go fund me really just fuck themselves and. I get a little giddy about this because whenever a company does something like that where they steal and I and I don't give a fuck if the government comes down on um because it won't matter. They just fuck themselves because everyone just realized that that things like gofund me and Patreon and these organizations. 54:50.80 Max Shank The. 54:53.80 mikebledsoe Take a bunch of money for not doing a lot of shit and so yeah, well the the reason they work well is because they've branded themselves in a way that makes it easy for people who are afraid to ask for money. It's like it. It's like an okay way to ask for money. But. 54:57.35 Max Shank It's a smart business. But when you talk about like stealing. That's not cool. 55:12.63 mikebledsoe Like if I wanted to have a Patreon type thing going on I wouldn't go do patron where they're gonna take 10 twenty thirty percent of the money coming in I just like a pay bal me. Yeah, just send me the money. Yep so they do that now. Yeah, if you're well. 55:17.77 Max Shank You do paypal you do recur. Yeah, you do recurring thing? Yeah, but it's cooler to have a Patreon it is. There's network effect there for sure. 55:31.97 mikebledsoe And here's the thing is now everyone's donating bitcoin. So and and well there was ah the alternative to go fund me was this Christian Ministry organization So that some people they started funneling money through this this like. 55:41.51 Max Shank Ah. 55:46.64 mikebledsoe Version of go fund me. That's not nearly as popular but probably just made a shitload of money from processing all those payments but and then you got people that are now donating a bitcoin and the not only did Gofundme fuck themselves but they just sped up a process that was already happening which is decentralization of the currency. 55:48.42 Max Shank Um, ah yeah. 56:04.84 Max Shank Um. 56:06.59 mikebledsoe And people now go oh. It's not safe. It's not safe to send money through an organization like go fund me what is safe. Oh the blockchain got it. There. There are things about it that are riskier and there's other. But if you want to send somebody some money. There's no intermediary that can take that money There's not a third party that has a political opinion or an opinion about you or who you're sending it to that can stand in your way. It's it's an amplification of true capitalism where there is I can send somebody something and nobody. It's all voluntary and nobody can get in the way of it. Yeah. 56:46.81 Max Shank That's the key word. The key word is voluntary I mean I'm a pretty strong guy I could and I'm pretty clever sometimes I could probably like I could probably I could probably like force people to do what I want Um, but that's pretty shitty thing to do I think it's not that fun. 56:52.65 mikebledsoe Um, what do you?? What do you? bench? me? Yeah yeah. Yeah, so so. I. 57:04.54 Max Shank Not that cool. Um voluntary is the key word voluntary. That's like maybe the most important word for everything we're talking about is it voluntary is it forced and I think if you don't take personal responsibility. You are more likely. To want to force others to not be in that position of personal responsibility either. You're going to want to put that idea upon others, it's like projecting outward. Um, one 1 question because you're right the whole idea of the decentralized. 57:28.47 mikebledsoe Yeah. 57:42.10 Max Shank Trading stores of value through like a bitcoin that at least now it gets to them directly and the only way is like maybe a government seizure I think that's happened a few times before. 57:52.84 mikebledsoe They they would they they can't just go to a bank. It's not that simple there there have been so for. For instance, the guy that got arrested by silk road guy. He got arrested and they were able to seize some of his bitcoin but only a fraction. 57:58.69 Max Shank Yeah I don't know I've just heard that it's been done in the past. 58:12.51 mikebledsoe Because he locked the rest up in a place like only he knows the codes. You know that? Yeah, so. 58:16.32 Max Shank I Think it's crazy that guy got arrested I Read the story about that. That's horrible. Um, it's It's another one of those things where ah you know you just realize like how careful we all need to be with. The jurisdiction of the stickholder. 58:33.93 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, ah so a lot of that bitcoin. The government was not able to get to so back to the personal responsibility piece is with cryptocurrencies. As they exist right? Now you're largely responsible for the safety and security of those if you're using a bank. You know you got the fdi see. It's federally insured if someone were to somehow steal that money added the bank then the government would insure that up to two hundred and fifty thousand dollars there's things like that exist when you're using us dollars and bank accounts when you're using crypto if you're really good at securing your own shit and you understand the technology government's not gonna be able to get it. Ah, but if you're you know using just a ah general digital wallet and you know like. Like coinbase or or something like that then if they want to take it. They can go to those companies because there's ah, there's ah, a saying ah ah, not your keys. Not your crypto. So if you're not holding your actual keys. You don't actually have your crypto so some of these digital wallets. You don't actually have the keys. 59:43.59 Max Shank Yeah, this is outside my knowledge base but that sounds very similar to a saying I heard which is um if you don't own your customer. 59:45.32 mikebledsoe You have access to the keys you have access. 01:00:02.58 Max Shank Information You don't have any customers. 01:00:03.45 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, yeah, similar thing like building email lists. Um. 01:00:08.63 Max Shank Or or phone numbers or addresses I mean there are a lot of ways to keep in touch with people but you know, especially as we've seen like you know I don't I don't speak out about any of this stuff really publicly because ah. Anyone can benefit from simple shoulder solution. 5 minute flow elasticity any of my excellent products and I just don't ah like I don't see the benefit like I don't think there's enough of a benefit to spouting off about that in that forum. But you and I have seen people where. 01:00:38.61 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 01:00:46.64 Max Shank They may have had a big following on one of these platforms and then it went immediately to 0 it evaporated and they had not built up a customer list of their own that they owned and unless you have that you don't have customers. You just have. 01:00:53.72 mikebledsoe A. 01:01:06.10 Max Shank Ah, platform that you are essentially renting for free that can be taken any time and so it's a good reason to build a more personal connection with those customers outside of that platform just like what you're talking about with crypto versus traditional banking. 01:01:10.18 mikebledsoe Yeah. 01:01:20.99 mikebledsoe Yeah, so somebody who's done so somebody who's done that really well is Jp sears. Um, he's he's definitely more yeah he's pivoted he's become yeah and he's he's become much more controversial which he does risk. 01:01:24.59 Max Shank And I think. Yeah, he's pivoted I he he pivoted He's way more. 01:01:39.72 mikebledsoe He's had Youtube videos taken down. He's had Facebook but they haven't taken down his accounts completely and I think part of it is is he's comedy when you're listed as a comedian you get away with things. So. 01:01:42.87 Max Shank It shows the power of Humor. It shows the power of humor yet. It's a comedy. Kind of I mean is is it kind of comedy though I mean he's clearly got an agenda for all everything he's saying. That's what makes him such a good like artist with that. That's the big change I Saw that's the big change I saw. 01:01:55.67 mikebledsoe Oh a hundred percent but he's also building his email list if you if you watch his videos. Yeah, he he was like of follow me on you know I have you know subscribed to my email list this and that because what. 01:02:11.91 Max Shank Right. 01:02:15.23 mikebledsoe What we'll probably see is there will be a platform that comes up. It'll probably be blockchain-based video platform that comes up and you know it's It's interesting because what's happening right now is you have these alternative platforms for video streaming like rumble and things like that and it's kind of like a joke. Like I was like oh all the crazy people are over on that platform and and there are a lot of crazy people on that platform I'm not going to disagree with that. But I think that they're at some point there's gonna emerge a platform thats blockchain base where where video goes up. It's not going down and no one can can fuck with it. 01:02:36.54 Max Shank Earth. 01:02:53.39 mikebledsoe And the people who are being the censored the most are going to be drawn to those alternative platforms first but it is it is exciting that those things are probably going to happen. There's there's a group here in Austin Texas or putting together a social media an alternative social media platform. A lot of them have popped up. We'll see which ones stick but the the ones that I'm seeing that are um, I'm excited by are blockchain based and aren't owned by anybody. It's it's one of those things where you actually own your own shit out there in the and the metaverse here or you call it not not got. Decentral land and all the shit. But um. 01:03:30.73 Max Shank I gotta say I'm a fan of the Canadian trucker thing going on. Um, you know I believe it is the largest trucker convoy in the history of the world even though even even though according to the major news sources. It's just a few racists. 01:03:35.80 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 01:03:40.88 mikebledsoe By like 10 x. 01:03:50.32 mikebledsoe A few violent racist. There's not very many of them. But the ones that are there. They're blowing shit up. 01:03:50.48 Max Shank Ah, but what's interest a few violent racists they they're the worst it it comes back to those 2 ad hominem attack appeal to authority devil god it's this is a tale as old as time literally? Um, but. Canada is not the only place that things like that are happening France ah Hungary italy there have been a lot of places that and but but you don't hear anything about that and I think a United Kingdom just 01:04:17.95 mikebledsoe Dude, it's gotten crazy. It's gotten crazy over in Europe. Yeah. 01:04:27.75 Max Shank Immediately like lifted all restrictions at this at the snap of a finger. 01:04:27.96 mikebledsoe Yeah, was funny as the prime minister comes out and he he announces it like he's like I'm gonna like he he did it like he's making a proclamation. No more masks I'm like you're the you switched fucking masks that was crazy. It was crazy and people were like. 01:04:41.24 Max Shank Yeah, oh people have very bad memory. 01:04:47.29 mikebledsoe And then people are like yes we're winning this I'm like are are you witnessing what just happened this dude just fucking turned on a dime on opinion like and then he's he's proclaiming it and like trying to have the win is like oh I'm gonna fucking punish you and I'm gonna lock you inside your house and then I'm gonna let you go two years later and then you're gonna thank me for it like what the fuck man what is happening. 01:05:10.84 Max Shank It and if you're not more broadly aware. You're going to eat it up 1 crumb at a time you know I I think the people have been played like a fiddle most people. Ah if you if you've learned to ah hate your neighbor for living the way they want to. 01:05:18.21 mikebledsoe Um, yeah, yeah. 01:05:30.40 Max Shank You have failed the test. Ah. 01:05:30.64 mikebledsoe Um, agreed ah, last last thing I want to talk about is just the whole Joe Rogan ah thing

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How To Buy NFTs What is a Non-Fungible Token NFT How To Make Your Own NFT Best NFT InvestmentsEpisode Summary:Today's episode of The Roadmap:NFL All DayExploring The MetaversHosts:Chris KatjeBrian MoirProducers:Alyssa ColeFollow The Roadmap on Twitter!Disclaimer: All of the information, material, and/or content contained in this program is for informational purposes only. Investing in stocks, options, and futures is risky and not suitable for all investors. Please consult your own independent financial adviser before making any investment decisions.Unedited Transcript:all right, everyone. Yeah. Welcome to the roadmap. Shout out to all our live viewers right now, joining us on YouTube. If you're here, live, smash that like subscribe to the stream. If you have not already and leave us a comment in the chat, those comments will appear on screen as they start to scroll through right now.And yeah. Already see happy Mohammed calling out that I have a surprise special cohost on today's episode. I'm super excited. But before I bring him on, I do want to give a shout out to today's sponsor. So today's show is sponsored by FTX U S one of the largest cryptocurrency exchanges in the world in terms of trading volume and daily use.The FTX app is used by over 6 million people to buy crypto and NFTs with no transaction or withdrawal fees, you can buy NFTs on the FTX, us trading platform on the Ethereum and Solano blockchains with no gas fees to find out more click on that link in the description below, and also right now in the chat.So shout out again to FTX, and if you have not checked them out yet, I would suggest that you click on that lake and see what they are all about. And speaking of hearing what something is all about, I've got Benzinga zone money, Mitch, joining me on the stream today. So welcome to the road. Mitch what's going on, brother.What's going on guys? I think I tried to match the background. I hope I nailed that down. Let's go ahead. Let's get to it. I know that I'm relatively new 10 FTEs, still learning myself, but I have been doing more and more research on the metaverse. We'll get a little bit into that. I know Chris is going to lead into that and you guys out there do me the favor, hit the thumbs on up, and also let me know.Are you new to NFTs? Like I am. Let's go ahead and learn a little bit about it. Yeah, Mitch.  I'm super excited to have you on and that's a great point that you said is that NFTs is not your specialty, right? It's a market where you're still trying to learn. And that was one of the reasons why Benzinga created the roadmap, our NFT show, is that we wanted to have. Some NFT projects with exclusive interviews, which we've done already and also to provide education to people. So people who are new to the space, people looking at which projects should they be looking at, et cetera. So today we're going to dive into the metaverse right.And kind of bridge that gap between NFTs, the metaverse and publicly traded companies, that are getting into the metaverse. If you saw today's title and that thumbnail, we're also going to open up some NBA, top shot packs, Meg. I'm super excited about that. That's something you and I have done live on stream before.It's always so much fun. Cause it's that surprise element. It's like opening a pack of trading cards as a kid.   I'm excited about that. Let us know in the chat right now. If you're here. Should we open up a bunch of NBA top shop packs, cause I've got a bunch and I will also be opening up that NFL all day pack, which right now you can't even go and buy, unless if you were high enough on the wait list, which I fortunately was.So with the super bowl coming up, I'm excited to open that pack and see who I get as well. Let's dive into the, metaverse met. So Metta versus a term that was created in a book a years ago, snow catch or was the book and Facebook right. Changed their name to meta platforms. And they're going to change over to the ticker Metta I'm ETA and they are going all in on the metaverse. But they're not the only ones we keep getting press releases. We keep hearing more and more stories about the metaverse and one story that I saw a match that obviously got a lot of attention out there on socials. That there was a wedding hosted in the metaverse. So we have a story out on Benzinga and it is that 2000 people attended a virtual ceremony between Ryan and Candice Hurley from Phoenix.It was the first couple to tie the knot into centrally and a wedding in the metaverse. And it actually was witnessed by a Supreme court justice, Clint Bolek  to certify that marriage. So Mich weddings in the metaverse. Is that something that you know is just a one-time thing here and goes away?Or do you think there's a market there for some companies out here to say, Hey, we'll marry you in the metaverse. Yeah I definitely do think that you're going to start seeing not only this will be the first, but I think you're going to start seeing a lot. Weddings are expensive and one way that we usually go around those expenses are what invite people that are around this, right?Like in the same city. The hard thing. It really is when you have like international weddings, let's say if you're in Spain and you're trying to attend a wedding all the way here in the United States, or like some people they want to go ahead and get that environment. Hey, I live in the mountains.I would love to do a wedding in a beach environment. Why not just do it in the metaverse  so I think it's interesting to see that. I think definitely you're going to see more and more come out of that. The average cost of a wedding here in Colorado is over $30,000. Somehow I don't think this one costs over $30,000, but it could be something to definitely think about. I, myself am starting to dip my toe in decentral land. You guys want to check out a little bit? I think we do. I think we want to see decentral land. I wanna hit Happy's comment real quick. He said, I thought Facebook changing to M V R S. Are they able to get Mehta now? I am able to report and put in my last Facebook article that yes, Facebook is changing their ticker to M E T a.For those who didn't know. ETA was the ticker of the metaverse ETF from our friends at round hill Mitch, but they changed their ticker to MeTV. And now Facebook owns ETA. So I don't know what happened in that exchange, but it is now owned by Facebook. But Mitch, let's see the central land here in action and get into the metaverse. People hear about the metaverse, but what is it? What does it look like? Go ahead. Let's dive right in there. I'm actually in there right now. If you could throw me on the screen right there you guys have, there we go. Look as money Mitch in the metaverse guys. Let's go. Let's go to the rooftop guys.Let's go. Let's go on up. Let's see, this is so cool. And Mitch  we've been playing around with this before the show started. And you were exploiting the metaverse here into central land. I know what I'm going to be doing later because after I get done working and the kids go to bed, I'm going to be checking out to central land and the sandbox and some of these other areas, because it is just fun to be in the metaverse. And that's really what we wanted to get into. Not just fun. There's actually utility and actual brands building around that. A one brand that's connected to the metaverse that I always hear about. Cause my kids love it. It is roadblocks, right? So roadblocks is similar to this where you're playing a game at the virtual world and you can build on top of it.You can create games, create apps within that virtual world and the national football league partnered with roadblocks. So they're gonna create destruction house, which is an interactive event. So that's exciting, Mitch. We've had concerts in the metaverse right? So that's another factor I heard about dead mouse.Yeah.  We really saw the metaverse kick in during the pandemic too, right? Because let's say you're a musician and you weren't able to tour, because of restrictions, you could host a concert in the metaverse. So  create an event, you pick the location and then you have all your fans show up.And they can listen to your concert. You can use it as a way to promote a new album or new songs and also get them to buy stuff. So it's win-win for everybody. And you're playing to central land right now to central land. And the sandbox are the two big ones. We're going to talk a little bit about some other plays as well, but Mitch, how much fun are you having right now? Just playing around in the central. No, I'm having trouble listening to you, Chris. Cause I'm just trying to get to the rooftop. I know here I am rambling around and you're just like, I'm on a mission. I'm going to get to the roof top. I'll tell you one thing, guys. I have this turned up to the highest you can have the graphics.So that's why you see a little bit of lag, but even my computer while I'm streaming, while everything's going on is being able to handle this. So a new computer, I would definitely say that you can handle. The furthest on the graphics. That was one of my  thoughts were how are the graphics going to be?And a lot of computers use this, or is it going to be more, just your high end computer? And I built my computer three or four years ago yet. It's a little high end, but you guys could definitely do this.  Another area that I'm looking, another world that I'm looking at is of course.Block Topia. And so let's talk a little bit about block Topia. I'll go ahead and just leave this on. I'm learning just about this. And I did a little bit of research and one thing that you can clearly see is there's some bigger companies on here. You even got crypto boy, Jake Paul on here. I saw WWE as a part of this.Let see. Lamborghini is going to be interesting. This one's a little bit more futuristic. It's a building that has 21 floors. And so you'll be able to, of course 21  the Bitcoin thing there we'll see if we can get on through the levels. I think this is supposed to be released here in February.So I'm super excited to find out a little bit more about block Topia and see its see use that this one looks like it's going to be pretty good on the VR. Yeah. And there you see some of the backers there. Jake, Paul  polygon is a backer and some other well-known companies. Yeah. And we got Logan in the chat saying when Lambo, cause you said them.Of course. So yeah. There, you have it on screen. Learn, earn, play. So you can, it's a play to earn game as well. Which is something we talked about earlier this week, that video game companies need to be in play to earn, that's a huge growing market. It's a way to monetize your assets.So that's what I like about black Topia. And also as you see flashing on the screen, they already have big brands attached. And like when the sandbox and decentral land law, They were really tied to NFT brands, that wanted to buy land there to connect with their large followings, their discords.And here you already have black Topia, these huge partnerships where it took decentral land at sandbox months to get some of these big brands on board. So nice. Call-out here, Mitch. I'm excited about this one as well. Yeah  this video looks so cool as we see the different things. And we got Zen bullish in the chat saying yes, NoOps mansion. Yes. Of Snoop is partnered with the sandbox which Mitch, that's something Brian and I talked about yesterday. We do have Snoop dog performance. Superbowl halftime show. What if he were to do some sort of reference to the metaverse during his performance, maybe he disappears from the day she comes back as a hologram avatar.  What about that? Yeah, it could be a, you never know, really the Superbowl loves to try new things. So one of the things that you have been seeing is more and more virtual studios, and how is that going to play into with NFTs VR? AR I think this is a great way to bring it in  one thing that I definitely want to look out for is. Actually wearing an FTS. I would love to see maybe like him rocking like a necklace or something that has like the NFT, like literally digitalized it right on him. I think he's going to do something special. It's Snoop. Yeah. We're going to see, we're going to see some sorta item with NFTs during halftime. I just know it's going to happen. There's been lots of rumors out there. I'm an admin, Snoop Dogg, both on board ape yacht club, NFTE, Snoop Dogg owns a ton of NFTs. So I really think we're going to see interest there and I got to do it. I got to do it for us. I know monetization's off.So let's just go.Let's go. Let's go. Awesome. Yeah. I mean that halftime show. Excited about this one. I haven't been as excited about some of the recent halftime shows just cause maybe it's been musicians that I just don't know as well or don't listen to. But these are people that I grew up listening to Mitch and you as well. It's bringing back that those decades and I'm excited. Of course I'm excited about the game as well. And the crypto commercials, the NFTs and everything that goes along with that. And Mitch, I want to get back to the metaverse and some of these big brands, right? So we saw you walking around in there, right?And there was like a movie theater in different places you could visit. So brands are starting to trademark their company names and different items for the metaverse. So I don't know if you heard this McDonald's right. One of the biggest restaurant companies in the world, they filed to open virtual food and beverage products, downloadable multimedia files that could include NFTs and.Online virtual concerts. That's pretty big, right? And it doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to happen. It could just be, McDonald's trying to protect their trademarks, that does happen from time to time. But Mitch, here's my favorite in that trademark filing. And this is from Josh. Gerben on Twitter from Gerben law.There it is on screen. Mitch, how about this one? McDonald's file. Then it says operating a virtual restaurant, featuring actual and virtual goods operating a virtual restaurant online featuring home delivery. So you go into decentrally and you walk up to your McDonald's you say, Hey, I want a big Mac. And then 10 minutes later, ding dong a food delivery company is at your door with your big. Is this real? Is this going to happen? What do you think of this Mitch? Yeah. Why not?  One of the things is that we always love convenience. And if you can be convenient right inside the game what if you're just playing, you get hungry, go to McDonald's dude. What are you doing?You're wasting time. They're going to use your phone. You could just literally actually go to McDonald's in the metaverse. I think that's in the long run too. Not only is this going to be playing into, let's say restaurants, but even let's say services. What about  a metaverse grocery store where you pick the items in the metaverse and then all of a sudden go Walmart site?Actually, I think Walmart's actually testing that. I think I saw where they have a shopping cart and you go on the metaverse and you like, see the items on the shelves and you can pick it off the shelf. You can read it and you can add it to your car. Amazon's an easy one here, right? Like Amazon, for years, it's been able to get people to add stuff to their carts online.And if they could do that in the middle. But McDonald's, to me, the screams, Hey, which food company wants to get on board and do this right. Food delivery, because you got Uber eats, you've got grub hub, you got DoorDash. They saw huge growth during the pandemic. When people weren't eating out at restaurants, they were ordering food to get delivered.If one of them partnered with McDonald's and this thing became real, it seems like a joke. But I really think. It's worth a shot. And I think McDonald's is going early here. First mover advantage. Another company that filed for the metaverse was Panera. So they actually are trying to trademark Panera verse.So instead of being in the metaverse Mitch someday, you might be at the Panera verse. So that's interesting. A good play on words. And the interesting thing from Panera's filing was it said that if you, in the future, if you eat virtual food, you could be rewarded with Panera rewards points. So how about if you go to your Panera verse, you eat some fake food and you earn rewards points to then go to a Panera and use them. Again, it's all about utility, right? I'll take my cinnamon crunch bagel, please with my honey Walnut.  That's you can't go wrong. And Panera's coffee. Who knows. Definitely. I'm gonna, I'm going to go ahead and say Panera is making the move of just not trying to be left behind, right?Yeah. I think this is also the move here by McDonald's and Panera is that if this does take off, they're ready and if it doesn't then guess what they're also ready. And I think that's more important is to be ready into what's going to happen in the metaverse of course we're hearing that word being thrown around, back and forth, and really what this all has to do to me is utility, right?It's the utility between NFTs and crypto. And I always talk about the underlining assets, right? And so I, to me, the metaverse is that word over the top and everything falls underneath it, the NFTs, the cryptos, and also the utilities, the games that are being created, the technology behind that's all just funneling.Definitely and  match another company that looks like they're going to go heavy into the metaverse in the future is Disney. And this is one I've been screaming from the rooftops on this show that Disney should be doing NFTs, right? They should be doing NFTs. They should be in the metaverse right.They're one of the largest media companies. They have such a huge portfolio of brands and they reported earnings yesterday and CEO Bob . He said that they believe the opportunity for the Walt Disney company goes well beyond these channels. It extends to sports betting gaming and the metaverse so sports betting and metaverse seemed like they're going to be two areas of huge growth.And he said that they are going to be aggressive in getting into the metaverse and that's pretty important. And he also called it top of mind when analysts asked him  how far along were. Met you mentioned not just restaurants but like services and stuff. What about if someday, instead of going to like YouTube for the new, let's say like star wars trailer, you have to get into Disney's metaverse and you have to go to their event to watch that movie trailer. That seems like a big win for Disney for me that instead of utilizing YouTube to show off their trailer there, they're going to own a piece of it in the metaverse. What about something like that? Yeah. I'll just show here, right? Decentral land  you can see here on the bottom right corner movie evening in the metaphor.Why can't that just be done with Disney plus right. Here we go. You could just go ahead and you can sign up for Disney plus, and that's how you get access inside the building. And then next thing you know, you can just sit down with people that you probably didn't know before. Next thing you're making new friends while you're watching the content that Disney has to offer.I think that's something that definitely could be going on. I want to call out easy Mike in the chat here, Mitch. I don't know if our like, counter is broken, but that can't be real guys, right? That we only have nine likes right now. I think maybe YouTube is broken. I know that's not true.Yeah. Cause if that's the case, Mitch, you probably gotta go. Cause you got other stuff you could be doing. Maybe I don't want to open up all these packs because there's not that many people here that are excited. I really want to open them. So let's get those lights. Also, I've been doing some research. I got an NFT dimension I've been looking at ones that could potentially really still kick off.  We've been seeing plenty of different projects come out there, but I did do a little research. I've been looking at one that maybe take a chance on you guys smash the so they can give that.Yeah. And we're going to get into that in a minute. One that you've heard about and that's something that always gets me excited, right? Is that when people who aren't heavy into the NFT space, if there's a project that they've heard about, or that they're interested in to me to go back to a stock market term and not financial advice, but that makes me pretty bullish. Because if other people are hearing about it that's a big deal. That's what we're seeing with board API club, is that people who don't even know NFTs people that don't own NFTs. A lot of them still know what board apes are, because of the valuation. Because of the increase in value because of the celebrities that own them, because it's lots of people's PFP on Twitter and the list goes on.  Mitch, do you want to tell everyone what NFT it is that you are excited about and that caught your eye from someone who hasn't been heavily following the. Yeah. So let's before I actually pull it up, one thing I want to talk about is different features right. Of NFTs, right? That's one of the main things is, so how's the art, is it static?Is it dynamic? What kind of features do they have? Is it an ape? Is it a penguin? Are we talking crypto? Is that it's here? And so one of the things that I've been noticing is more and more, we're getting leads, higher quality ones that come out. And what I mean by higher quality, to me, it's more detail in the art, right?And so the more detail you can bring in the art, the more exclusive I feel the art is. And so let's go ahead. Let's take a look here at the research that I've found. I found out about this one. I'm sure you guys have already covered it on the roadmap. Let's talk about. Invisible friends. So invisible friends is one that I really like now just cause one of the things is they're invisible.So the only thing that stands out are those features. And I think that's the important part. The people don't make it different. It's the actual things that the NFTs are wearing or bringing into it that I think really brings that exclusivity. As you guys see here there's some pretty cool ones like this basketball one.I could use a baseball one. I wouldn't mind putting that as my, and you could see here with the Gator polling, you see this guy over here, this looks like Sean McVay. Sean McVay should definitely buy this plays out. Let's go. So definitely I think it's interesting. Look at this.Look, what that has. Do you see their candles, baby? All I see is candles. All I know is I would take that right now if I could.  These are interesting, Chris. And when are these supposed to come out? I know that they were talked about in February. Do we got a date yet? Yeah. So one thing Brian and I mentioned earlier this week was that invisible friends had a tweet out and they asked the chat.They said on Twitter, should we announce the mint price? Or should we announce the mint date first? And the winner of that poll was I believe the mint date. So let's get that on screen. There it is. Mint date, February 23rd. So put that on your calendar. Every want to get not financial advice.Today's the 10th. We've got about two weeks, right? Until that mint date happens. And Mitch, that this thing has just blown up. They've got hundreds of thousands of followers on Twitter, hundreds of thousands of people in their discord. And that, like you said, that artwork is sweet, the dynamic, right?The fact that it has motion, it moves around. We've got different colors, I think pop on the screen, different traits. I love the basketball and other ones. I'm excited about this. I'm not on the white list. I want to shout out. We got strictly three sports in the chat that says he got white lists.He or she got the white list for invisible friends and can't wait to next blue chips. Not financial advice, but to me, yeah. This one has been thrown out as a possible blue chip. And   that's a term that I don't want to  just say lightly, but again, large following, I think this is one that people are really gonna want to be in.And Mitch, we talk about supply and demand. And when you were first scrolling through there, I saw on the screen that there is only going to be 5,000 of these available. So to put that in perspective, the majority of your big NFTE PFPs and the big collections, are around 10,000. Some of them have done like 8,888 or 7,777, or occasionally we get the 6, 9, 6, 9, but 5,000, that is an incredibly low number compared to their following Mitch. This thing's insane. That the one thing that concerns me a little bit is they haven't announced the price yet. So when that comes out yeah. So they could be greedy if they want it to that's kinda up to the project leads, right?Cause if they wanted to they could charge you no one Eve probably here even more. We just saw one earlier this week, pixel mine that charged a couple EAs because it was such high demand. Then the floor price dropped and now they're not even worth what people paid. So sometimes that can backfire I'm excited about this one.And Mitch, the thing with this is to get on the white list. It was really hard.   They had all kinds of different things. You could own a couple of their previous NFTs, or you could be really active in the discord. You could submit artwork make your own invisible friends, but Mitch, for someone from the outside, who's not active in the NFTs. What do you think projects with high demand should do? Should they really make it to where  the most active people the people who spend the most hours in discord get rewarded or should they try to level the playing field and make it more of a raffle or a constant.To see who gets the white list. What do you think? I think this is an awesome conversation to have, especially for you new NFT investors, probably looking at it the same way I'm looking at it. A lot of times when I want to actually start dipping my toes and taking more and more NFTs, I do have very few, but nothing high valued.And when I want to start taking some more NFTs, I go to do it. And then I realize, oh, I'm not white listed or I got to do such and such thing just to even get an opportunity to maybe get the NFT. And I think that's the important part here is that the one of the things is by having a free market, I think would be better.What I mean by free market is that literally, Hey, if your internet is quick and it gets to that by then, Hey, you get it. I'll compare it to some of the NFTs that I've seen. So I do have NBA top shot and NBA top shot changed over to that kind of more reserve your pack and then show up. But then I also first started more in that top scheme. Remember when tops first came out and remember you and I were able to get some packs when a lot of those will work first, come first serve for those types of packs. Yeah. So that's a perfect example. So two different sides, of the business strategy there.And to me, I personally. Enjoy the tops. One more than I enjoyed going after top shots, which I just had to like show up and then yeah.   The problem's always going to be  the potential for bats, or people creating multiple accounts. So let's say that we actually saw this with makeover.Some makeovers Mitch was  looked like transformers. That was one of the, yeah. So that was one of the biggest releases ever in terms of following. And they did a a raffle, where you essentially went to a website at the time you clicked a link and then they awarded spots to random people. It was luck of the draw. And I believe they're meant price was 0.5. Either 0.5 or 0.25. Now I can't remember. But then the floor price actually had five east and of course, a month or two later now we're trading under one east, I believe. And it's interesting though. 'cause that, that goes back to the demand, right?So a project like that, you have all this demand at the start and now look at it. The floor price has fallen because you didn't reward. Maybe you're a loyal consumer.  That's another reason why a project maybe you should reward the people that are the most active and discord, the people who win contest, the people who contribute, their mods and your discord, they help people learn in your discord because they're going to stick with you, right? Don't you want the people who are going to stay along for the ride rather than people who are just clicking a button and then gonna to flip it and make a quick buck. This conversation could go on forever Mitch cause like I've participated in all these different ways.I've gotten NFTs all these ways, right? I've been on wait lists or white lists. I've had to get in discords and post a certain number of times and level up to get on a white list. I've won raffles, I've won contest and I've done NBA top shot and tops where it's just kind of luck of the draw or who's quickest.So all the methods work, there's no necessarily wrong approach, but a great topic here. So Mitch, you said the tops one just click in a first come first serve as one of your favorite. Yeah.  My thing is just that I like the hype that, that creates, I liked the hype that I created for what it can actually open.It creates more like the IPO kind of strategy and stocks.  When you get an IPO yeah. You got the kind of the insiders, the banks that get to go after it. But now we're getting shots like with like companies like sofa and Robin hood, that gives an attempt to get into the IPO before it actually opens to me, I think things like that are what I want to be looking for. I understand rewarding community members, because at the end of that day, that's what we try to do here every day. Is build a community. And so I understand, and I know that. Loyal community members should always be treated a little bit higher than let's say a brand new viewer.But from that perspective, I just think about it as we don't always want to just double and triple down on only our community. We want to also reach out and get to the mass. I think that's how you really take off in the utilities of these NFTs is not only just going towards the people that are using it right now, but to some new users and ex and showing them that there is utility.Yeah, definitely. And some great points and let us know in the chat guys, if you're watching us live right now  share what your favorite way is to get into a project, right? Do you want to grind it out in the discord and get rewarded for being loyal? Do you want to just go to people who are  the quickest to click on something or just random right around. To the luck of the draw, right? What's your favorite way? And I see a couple people in here. Yeah. Talking about top shot and we're going to open those top shot packs in a little bit, Mitch, and we have so many gusts on here, Mitch, and it would, I think it would surprise you.Maybe not that like, when we talk to people behind these big NFT drops and I asked them, Hey, what was the first NFT that you ever bought? Or how did you get into NFTs? The majority of them, Mitch majority say that NBA top shot was their first NFTs and the way they got in, not a ton of people got in buying crypto punks and crypto kitties years ago. Top shot changed the game. And that's why I think it's so important.  Really go back to some of these sports NFTs because the sports fan market is just massive. So these people they've already collected trading. They've already collected tickets, they've already collected autographs and sports memorabilia, they know about collectability and they want to own an FTS because of that.  I think that's a good reason. And speaking of sports NFTs match, we have the super bowl coming up on Sunday. And Brian and I did a whole show on Superbowl NFTs yesterday. Cause there's so much to talk about. That's the insane part, but ticket master has partnered with the Ana.And every person that attends the Superbowl. So over 70,000 people can get a free NFT and it is a copy of the ticket.  I think we still have that. There it is met. So you and I actually talked about this, I think like on a different stream. Months, years ago. Yeah. The ticket master should be doing NFTs of concerts of sporting events. The NFL is doing it. And the cool thing is that, so everyone who attends the super bowl gets this ticket. But to me, I think a lot of people are going to turn around and sell it, because maybe you go to the game and you don't even like either team, right? You just go for the experience and to be able to say, Hey, I went to the super bowl.Maybe you want to make some money back, to pay for your ticket, your hotel, whatever people are going to start listing the Sunday and Monday. And this is it's historical, right? Because it's going to be the first NFL ticket as an ad Ft. The day the Superbowl happened, right? You can always go back and make NFTs a past Superbowls, but this is going to be the first one.So I'm going to be watching on Sunday to see how quick people sell these. And yeah, and we got happy in the chat saying tickets scalpers and put tickets on the blockchain. That's something Brian's actually talked about and he's trying to work on making tickets on the black chain to prevent ticket scalping. Mitch, what do you think of this this NFT? How does it look? And is this something, if you were a fan of the Rams or the bangles, you can't go to the Superbowl. Is this something that you would want in your car? Yeah, definitely. If you're a fan in a super fan of these kind of teams that's already going to get you into it, right?Let alone, if a team actually wins the super bowl too, that's gonna push you a little bit over, if I was a Bengals fan or if I was a Rams fan, depending on which team won, I'd be like, okay, I need a piece of this. But one thing that I think that it wasn't done here that I think you and I have talked about in the past was should they have made certain seats have some special to these NFTs?I think that's what they should have done. I think let's say if you were front row at the super bowl, it should be like gold.  Like this, you should be shimmering and gold or things like that. I think those are the types of feature that I was looking for in tickets for NFTs, really, to play into because Jess going to a concert or going to in a sporting event is something.But there's something else going in front row, right? Yeah. And Mitch, that goes back to the conversation we just had, about should the loyal people be rewarded, should the people that spend money be rewarded. So one thing I saw earlier this season that the Dallas Mavericks did right. Was when they retired Dirk Nowitzki, his Jersey, every person in attendance got a free NFT.And that, and I F T it was almost like a a 3d, like Bible had, right? Like an avatar, a decentrally and character right. Of, of Dirk. It looks sweet.  Jerks in all time, legend NBA mean we watched him play growing up. And what they did though, was there was random rarities. And those weren't based on your seat, it was just random. So if you had a front row ticket, you had the same chance of getting the legendary version limited to 50, as someone who sat in the nosebleed seats. So again, That goes back to should we randomly do it? Should we do it based on where you sit?So I love that argument mentioned again. We could go on forever about that, but again, I love the fact that you could go to a sporting event and get a free NFT. It just completes that experience. And it also provides value. Let's be honest. It wasn't free. You paid for your ticket. Yeah. There you go.You could actually, the Dirk Nowitzki retirement nightmare. If I lived closer to Texas, like I would have probably gone because the cheap seats were like 120 bucks. Those NFTs were selling for 250 bucks. That's double. So you just got to go to a game for free and you got paid come on.  This is why all these companies in sports teams, you should be at least exploring NFTs. But enough about that match. I know we're not close to running out of time yet, but I also know how long it takes when we opened some packs up. So I think we're getting to about that time. And I have a lot of NBA top shot packs to open. And I don't want to say the number because we might not open all of them today. I want to see the light count, get up. And for anyone who's watching us live right now, I want to see those ones. If you want to open some packs with us, smash that and start putting a one in the chest. And I will be opening up these top shop packs.And then by the end of the show, we're also going to open up that NFL all day pack, which I'm excited about. And who knows, maybe I'll get a Matt Stafford moment to my favorite player in the super bowl because he was a lion for awhile, but they're those ones come in, Mitch. What do you think?Are you ready to see me open up some top shot packs or no? Let me see if I can get the rally going here. Rally team rally. Let's hit those likes. It's getting going. Let's get excited. We're about to open some brand new packs. And you talked about there that some people started taking their dip and toes about top shots. Look at me with my little three moments. I took a shot on top shots also in a lot of that was. That was because of you, Chris you opened it up to me  and really started telling me about NBA top shots really early. I think this is before we were even talking about specs.  That's the interesting part here is that you've definitely have led the way here.  And taught me something and I took a shot on top shot. Yeah. These moments aren't  the biggest moments, but I also took a shot on those tops cards and I ended up making really good money and kept some, and with that money ended up getting some higher valued cards that I still hold to this day.So I, no, we don't have historical value to cause they were the first of something.  We got Logan in the chat saying 1 million likes or no packs. I don't know. I don't know about that. If we got a million likes  on a video match that'd be a happy day here at Benzinga. Maybe in the future, we can hit that. Mitch. All right. So I have a lot of packs and they go back over the past month. I've got new ones. I've got old ones. I even have some from last year's playoffs. Playoff moments. I've even got some archive ones. Maybe we'll get a Shaquille O'Neal moment. So let's open some up. So up first the new one that I got was a Kevin Durant's certified pack. And this one, before I share my screen here, this one has four moments in it. You have a 73% chance of getting all four commons. Which is what the majority of people got. 24% also got a limited edition one, and then it goes down from there. So I'm not expecting a ton out of this, but let's see if I share my screen here, we get into top shot. All right. All right. So here we are. You guys can see that, and we have this Kevin to ramp pack here. I've got my sound on. That was the heartbeat. Are we ready? All right, let's go. Let's go.Let's see. Let me know. You guys can still see this right. All right. All right. Are we ready? Let's click to reveal, right? We've got common. Of course. A layup. Oh, Devin Booker. Hey, not a bad one to have. All right. All right. Up next. We've got a dunk. Ah, Justin. Okay. Oh Holly. Oh, there we go up. They left them open. Shouldn't have done that. All right. So these are both numbered out of, oh, that Devin Booker was a limited edition. I didn't even see that much. That's out of 10,000, so we did get a limited edition. Okay.We're doing okay then. All right. And now we got another dunk here taking it all the way to the hoop. I can't give people space like that. And then we got one more moment in this pack, which I'm guessing is going to be a common since we already got that limited edition, we got an assist to the big man.There we go. Who Raul Neto is? I do not know, but all right what did we think guys, in the chat? I got a limited edition. That logic. Yeah, I got a, it got the slide. Me that man. I'm about to slide through my Joel and B. I can send you that. All right. Now. Gotta get back to my, I love the dragon.All right. So let's see, we got some packs here, guys. All right. We got, yeah, we got lots of packs guys. So I hope you guys liked this. So now we got a hustle and show series one. This has five moments in it and it contains one out of 18,000 limited edition in the hustle and flow. Series. So this is the only way you can get, oh, I didn't click open.That's the only way you can get the hustle and show moments is through these packs. So what do you guys think let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. The hustle and show here guys. Release one. I remember one of these packs came out, man. I wanted one, but I know, and I can't believe I haven't opened a match.I've been just wanted to do it for the chat. I want it on a live stream. So here we got Forbes  just floating it up there so that one's number asked 60,000. So it's common. And then we guys $70. I heard isn't it. All right, let's do it. Oh, I got the same moment from the last package.I hope not. Oh yeah. I hope he's worth some money because. All right. And now we got a Millsap dunk here, very low. Oh man, there we go. One of the most underrated basketball players out there, I like how they almost stopped him. And he like paused. He's   Nope. I remember when he was a boss and just not that good anymore.All right. What do we got? We got a dunk. A comment. Oh, we got down. There we go. Oh, nice. I love oh man. All right. And now this should be the hustle. PJ Washington. Oh. Number nine, six 60,000. Oh, so we got all commons in this. Oh man. All right. At least we got that Booker and the the last one here. So you can't go wrong with that Booker.All right. I do have another hustle and show pack. Should we open that? Don. Don, what do you guys say in the chat? Let's see what they say in the chat. Let's keep it. How's the chat doing? Aren't we loving this because here I am sharing my screen. And, but that was Anthony Edwards. Nah, it looks like peg said home run looks like you got a nice one there.She definitely thought so this pack was already open. No it wasn't. Oh, there we go. Okay. I was like, all right guys. Let's see what we got. Let's do it guys hit that like button. Let's keep it going here. We gotdunk. All right. What's next here. Another common Aaron Gordon dunk. All right. All right. Oh, in Denver. Oh, there we go in Denver a little bit too much. Let's just say that. Oh, that was the hustle. And that was the hustle and show out at 18,000. Oh, we got tackledof central Florida. People ask where I went to school. It's right where this guy went. I remember watching college. Yeah. Taco van. Everyone wanted to dress up like a taco and you go to the Burke, the former Michigan man with the floater. All right. And what do we got to close out the pack? We got a block from Josh.Richard said, oh, that's not in my house. Get outta here. All right. So that Aaron Gordon was at an 18,000, so not too bad here. All right. What is next in our pack? You guys having fun still let me know in the chat here. All I know is that my score is 36 and yours is 306. I think my score is going to go up too, because I think we get points for opening packs and for owning different moments. All right, now we got fresh threads, so fresh threads. These have moments numbered out of 11,111. So let's see if we get some non commons in this. I'm really hoping we got a common assist here from Eric Bledsoe, those fingers guys. Oh, okay. That's one way to get it done. Oh, and that is numbered out of 11,111.So there's our limited edition. Now we've got to lay up for Mike Conley.Okay. What's next in our pack. We got a dunk. There's so many dunks. Yeah, throwing it down dunks or probably like the top to top was I don't really like the ones that I don't like, and I'll be honest. It's I have one, no, the 3.3 0.3 pointer here. It is all, but you got to hero, so I'll take it. Honestly, underrated also that one should be worth some money. All right. Let's not open our other fresh threads right now. Let's skip down. Let's see, I got a base. How about an archive release to all right guys. So definitely smash it like guys. Let me tell you about this Mitch. So in this archive set, this was from last year a summer. You could possibly find a moment number.to 10,000 and included in this is moments from the 2005, 2006 and the 20 13, 20 14 season. So let me throw out some names. Dirk Nowitzki, Shaquille O'Neal, Tracy McGrady, Tim Duncan, Ray Allen, and Vince Carter are the ones that we are looking for here. Oh man.Mitch, I'm excited. I'm excited. T-Mac Tracy McGrady was really one of my favorite players to watch you guys got chase and kid. There you go. That's actually a really good one to have numbered out at 20,000. Look at the video quality. You can tell we're going back a couple of years here. See how that changes.What else do we got here?there's a name I haven't heard in a long time. Went to UMass  and what is her? Alright. Oh, Jason kit, lay up again. Come on guys. We got a duplicate. Hopefully that's where some money. Cause I got two in that pack. So not a 20,000. The Marcus Camby also numbered out of 20,000 and you can see, it also has a bad tier.The T S which I believe. Yeah, it is his first ever top shot match his top shot debut. So that holds some historical value. What do you think guys, should we skip and find some playoff moments from last year's NBA playoffs? I've been waiting to open these for a while too. So Chris is loaded, man. The good news is we might be able to open some more on a future episode.Cause I don't think we're going to get to the them all here. So let's go ahead. Let's open up. This was released three from last year. Play on. I think there's three in this pack. If I remember right. Yep. Three let's see match the Knicks play off. That's not something you see every day, right?That's something I could have historical. Alright. We got RJ Barrett. That's number, not at 12,000. That is a limited edition. Love it. Come on. I'm looking for something big here. We got Jay Crowder. I liked Jae Crowder. Oh, DSS was Mitch. Was that an okay. I guess it wasn't a cyst. I was like, it looked like he was shooting for a minute.Yup. Oh man. All right. And then the last one in this playoff back at three point or Trey young. Oh, this is number. This is number, not a 40,000 though. So it's not as rare as the other two. But we'll take it. It's tray. Yeah. People in the chat. If you know what these are worth. I haven't looked at the marketplace in a little while, so you might have to let me know.Let's do another playoff pack here. This was released too. So earlier games in last year's playoffs let's see, bam block. That would be now. Oh, there we go. All right. So we got a Jeff Green three pointer taking it, kick out numbered out of, oh, this is a low serial number match number 3, 4, 4 out of 11,500.That used to mean that they had some value. So we'll see if that holds true. We got a window Carter Jr. Dunk the past between the legs, but numbered out of 40,000. So we're common there. And then we got a click Clint Capella block, which I also have another Clint Capella moment in my in my moments.I know that, cause I remember getting it from a pack, but all right, let's get out. What else do we got for packs here? Match. Maybe you can pick out what I should open next because we got archive. We got some base. We got another playoff one there on the right. We got another base and a pre-order base.What do you think? Should we do that last playoffs? Or you want to see some of these base set ones? Maybe for some non playoff players? Yeah. Let's just go ahead and let's do a one. Let's go do one more. Play off one. Let's see, let's pick that blue one. That blue ones are standing out to me. Then we do that blue one.Now I can't remember. I'm not sure, but I guess I just like blue. What can I say? Oh, I already opened. I was like, this is what happened there. Oh, there we go. I think it's this pink one. That's the one that we haven't opened. Let's go. Let's go. Let's get it. All right. And then in a couple minutes, guys, we're going to open up that file pack.Let's go big here. Give me a rare, we've opened. No big rare ones. All right. Paul George, with a jump shot match. It's not even, it's not even three pointer. Isn't it. At least he falls, but it's a deep two. What is that? Get outta here. Get outta here with that three pointer from Reggie Jackson, Reggie, he's still playing the step back.And then what else? We got a dunk from. Oh, who's mom. We got Lakers showing up finally. Number nine 40,000. Okay. Was supposed to be really good just to get to that level. I think hype hype. All right, let's open one more NBA pack and then let's get into our NFL pass. So let's do a base.I picked orange. We'll see what we got in this.All right. Up first, a three-pointer we got marae. Oh, he looked like he was going to drive out of 40,000. We're still common. Come on. Where are all the rares at? In this? We got a dunk here from cam all they gave him. Oh man. I didn't think he had room.Love it. And then the last one in this pack, we have ah, former Spartan. Jaman green Michigan's own with the assist, the kickout. Oh, it wasn't a kick-out to Curry. I was hoping it was a kick to Curry. All right. Let me stop sharing that screen and Mitch, we're going to get into an NFL. Let me tell you about this.So I signed up for the waitlist for NFL all day, because I said, Hey, I know that people are going to want these moments when they first come out. And I got on the wait list and then I was able to get in line for a pack. I wasn't guaranteed to get one, but this pack is from the conference championship games.So the Rams and the bangles getting to the super bowl. So included in these packs, you could get a it says a Joe burrow script, a scramble for a couple of yards to get a first down Matthew Stafford for the touchdown pass to Cooper. We got DFCM UL, a 44 yard touchdown, even though they didn't make the super bowl, we got Jamar chase making a two point conversion and the end zone, we got Aaron, Donald getting a interception to end that game.And then of course we have the bangles game winning field goal in overtime. Mitch, let me ask you this. So you're a fan of NFL, right? So I think everyone's bashing on Twitter, the kickers, and saying, Hey, I don't want to get a kicker moment in my pack but let me just say this. I feel that, but let's say my bank, I was a fan of the bangles and they make the Superbowl because of a game winning field goal.I would want to own that moment. Because that's what put them in. It won the game, it wasn't like these NBA top shots, that three pointer that we saw it, it was to take a two point lead. It had no significance, winning field goal. To me, I feel like it's cool. Let's be honest, right? You got it could be a defensive game where you have three field goals when the game, if the guy kicks three field goals and that's how you win the game. You might be the MVP could, it could have kick or get MVP. And then that moment go up dress. That could happen too. And that's the thing I feel like kids, rookie cards were going up on eBay.So to me, I wouldn't mind if I get the Bengals kicker in this pack match, I'm just going to throw it out there. I really want to stay. I really want to Stafford and also Von Miller. Cause we were talking about him yesterday for owning so many NFTs. There's a van Miller sack that could be in one of these packs. So I'm excited about that. Mitch. Mitch, who would you want from the four teams that played? What do you got here? Look at that name right there. Cut me cop. Yeah. Yeah. A cup one I think is going to be sweet too. So yeah, trophy there. I told and my name just cup me and now they got a cup, Cooper cup.They got to give him the cup. Mitch. I'll say playing daily fantasy this year. Anytime it was Sunday, I get my lineup set right for the. It was pretty easy to pick cup, right? Yeah. He cost a lot of money, but it was like, all right, he's going to put up lots of points. If I don't have him, all those people that do are going to pass me.So I had to stack him in my lineups.  So let's face it. Yeah. And people saying in the chat that they would want to own a cup. Yeah. Let us know in the chat guys, who do you want to own out of these NFL moments? The ones I'd also say Mitch, Tom Brady, right? Tom Brady. There's some moments in those first packs, obviously with Henry tiring, you're only gonna see so many moments.So the other thing with these is there's no marketplace right now, Metro. I open this pack and I can't sell my moments yet. I have to sit on them. So does that hurt the value? If I opened, let's say a Matt Stafford, he wins the Superbowl wins super bowl. MVP. I can't immediately sell that.  Is that a miss here by dapper labs with NFL all day?Yeah.  How long is it going to take for them to get the marketplace? No date set. That's TBA match. That's the date? That's a little concerning to me. That's the question. If it at least had a date, then maybe you could wait for the, that day to get that pop.  But you are completely right.  If whoever wins the MVP, if you have that moment of that, I think that's going to jump it and price, so I don't know who's gonna win it there. I would say don't count out the defense, because I think the defense is gonna have a big part to game plus 40,000 to win MVP match. So we talked about that yesterday. If he likes NFTs, I'll throw a little bit his way on a bat. Nah, not advice here guys. But I really think it could be Stafford's to lose if the Rams, when assuming they go pass heavy, but will defensive player to get it, you need to beat three sex. Three sacks is the record in the Superbowl. So let's go ahead. Let's see if Vaughn can get maybe five. I think that could feel, oh man.Did you guys hear that? Oh, I think he's coming hard. Alright. Time to share my screen here. Let's make sure we got this up. Can you guys see that? Oh, we got to share. There it is. There is Meg. All right. So three moments in this pack. Let's see what we get. And with that being said, Mitch, I'm guessing they're going to do super bowl moments, right?So after Sunday's game, if they drop a pack next Friday, can you imagine what demand is going to be like for people to try to get moments from a super bowl? That's crazy, right? Cause those NBA playoffs, you're talking best of seven series with the super bowl. You're talking one game, it's win or go home. So that's pretty interesting. All right. Enough of me talking let's open up claim. Oh, now I got another random up coming at me and the central land. I gotta be careful.All right. Let's see what we get on this champion. Championship game here. No worries. Just pull it on up for us. If you can hear, we're going to go ahead and see. I'm telling you right now, guys, I'm getting lost in this metaverse I hope you guys are too. We'll see you out there. Fast. Start doing some meet-ups Chris on the weekend.All right. Now I've got to make sure I'm sharing the right screen here because I want to make sure everyone can see this pack. Let's get that back up on screen. You guys can see this right here we go. We see it right there. Let's do it. Oh my goodness. What does this mean? Executing your transaction. Don.Don. Don, who knows? Oh my goodness. Don't tell me. I can't even open this right now. It could be having a little bit of issues there. It looks like the, come on blockchain having a little issue to open up. All I am going to stop sharing for a minute. Let's go ahead and try to knock it out and try to open it up. You walk here just while you get ready. I just want to show you guys having fun a little bit here. Look guys, there's Hilton. Who wants to come through? Who wants to come through the music concert here? I got a Snapchat. There's a lot of people here. Let's go find them. You guys have.Oh, they went to Wonderland. I don't think I have entry to hold they're in here. Let's go get them. They are going to be really sad if I can't open this. Ooh, I got a sword. I want a sword.Oh, you got a Rocky pack. Oh, and we got strictly three sports in the chat saying it takes three minutes to open Mitch. I've never waited three minutes to open a pack before.  I don't know. I'll tell you one thing. I'm having fun here. Yeah. You're killing it in decentrally and where we're over on time right now.So I appreciate everyone sticking with us while we try to get this. But Mitch, I don't know if we're going to be able to open this NFL pack today, but at least we were able to open so many of those NBA packs, ice cream. I want ice cream find the McDonald's Mitch. You gotta look for the McDonald's so you can order food to be delivered.That what's that guy called. Ooh, I don't know that one. Let's find out the fun part is a lot of times you can just click on them and it gives you information on, looks like this one second to me, I got to get close. Cooler. What I like is how the, it actually looks like good graphics  on the sky.Look at that. That's some good graphics right there. You guys come find me. Yeah. I'm gonna keep playing here. I have to learn here. Let us know in the chat who here has actually spent time in decentral land. Because again, I know a lot of people in the NFT community are at least have heard of it.And they might actually have some items in their wallet. Maybe some clothes for their avatar, but how many people have actually explored it? Gotten them. Master round let us know and yeah, born to be free saying, thanks boys. Good to see the SPAC brothers back together. Again, Mitch, I got my hoodie on because it's cold out here in the office, but I did wear my specs today.Review of you coming on. I definitely so shout out to you. So I think I got it working. It says open pack. Let's do it. Let's do it. All right. Before we run out of time here, we're already out of time and people are going to be like a Tinder for the central line. All right. It says open pack.You guys see it, right? That means I must be able to. All right, it's going to go. Let's go. Oh, I heard that noise. Oh, I didn't turn my sound off. I let it keep going. All right. Let's reveal it. Let's see it. Oh, you know what? This is a rare.oh, you can't take me down and look at him. Go look. Oh, Kelsey. I already knew Kelsey. Of course. Oh my gosh, Mitch. I got a rare get it right.Oh man. Do you guys see that 1200 available? All right. I bet I get common next up. Oh, what do we got here? This guy? Honestly this was one of those games that I didn't expect the chiefs to win, but it was a tough one. Oh, the first down here. Oh my goodness. Let's go. That's a 12 grade 1200.Oh man. Let's go. One more, one more. All right. This is for conference championship. This I'm trying to think of the other teams available. I thought it was the final four, but what do we got here? Oh  Dell. I think this is this the touchdown or the long pass. Oh, this is just one of those short.I think he got a first down. It wasn't important down, but there's only 8,500. Oh, there is this common, but there's only 8,500. So guys check this out on the Josh Allen, 2 8500 Mitch. These are so low in number. The commons are low they're. Normally you see like at least top shot was like 60,000. These are going to be worth some money. Oh, let's go. All right guys. We'll you guys were having too great of a time to, you want to know who I found right now? Let's see it. Let's see it. That's Alyssa guys. That's our producer. She's just hanging out and hanging out. She got her Fang gang shout out. I'm jealous at the thing gang here. We had Fayton gang on Mitch.Oh man. Alyssa, you know what we should do? We should give Mitch the lake to play the fan game. I bet he would play it the rest of the day. Isn't going to get any work bending if you're listening a Spencer or razz or any of the people   Mitch's just, he's working right now. Taking a break, but helping me out with my little guy, I got to run a little better than that though.He looks like he can't run and it looks like he's going to break a leg or something. Oh my goodness. All right. And yes, look at strictly sports. That's a fire ass pack, bro. Mitch. I got a fire ass pack. I will take you. Boom. That's money. That is what I callLet's go. All right. Did you guys enjoy that opening packs up? Cause if you did, I'm going to try to get more and we're going to keep doing this and Mitch, maybe we should give away a pack sometimes. So you got sign it. I've got lots of packs. Maybe I could give away one of the base packs or a starter pack to get someone going in NBA top shot. Stay tuned guys. The roadmap we'll be back next week Tuesday. And we'll be talking about what happened at the super bowl, right? So you'll hear from me and Brian we'll break down whether or not we saw board apes, whether or not we saw the metaverse and other stories. And again, a big shout out and thanks to today's show sponsor, FTA.For sponsoring the show and be sure to watch the Superbowl and when their commercial airs in the second half, get on Twitter, find their tweet, retweet it for your chance to win Bitcoin. And if you haven't signed up for an FTX account, you can find information in the description below. I want to give a huge shout out to my coworker, but also my wonderful friend money Mitch, for joining me on the roadmap today and filling in and check that out on the screen at story investors.If you're not following him on Twitter, check it out. And Mitch for people who don't know, and they want to see more of you here on Benzinga YouTube TV, when and where can they find. Like always guys. One of the things I do is a, do a little stock trading just a little bit there. We do have a show live trading with Benzinga that goes on Monday through Thursday. That's at 9:00 AM where we actually do live trading. I also have a show, just my specific, my only show money Mitch that goes on at four 30 weekdays. So check that on out. Definitely. And thank you for having me on Chris. One thing I definitely have learned a lot from you in the NFT world, and I think you helped me really dip my toes and more and more.Am I getting lost into the metaverse as you guys can see. And one thing I'd definitely say is just keep looking out. Not only in a short timeframe. I think that's one thing that a lot of people get lost in is looking at what this is going to be worth today. I'

Episode Summary:Today on the Crypto Breakdown I look at Today I look at the top metaverse coins with the highest returns.Questions? Ask at joedewitt@benzinga.com and we will answer!Hosts:Joe Dewitt Follow at: https://twitter.com/metabitzCrypto Heat MapSubscribe to our Benzinga Crypto Youtube ChannelSubscribe to Moon or Bust PodcastPast Episodes of Daily CryptoDisclaimer: All of the information, material, and/or content contained in this program is for informational purposes only. Investing in stocks, options, and futures is risky and not suitable for all investors. Please consult your own independent financial adviser before making any investment decisions.Unedited Transcript:Hey, everybody hope you had a wonderful weekend. My name is Joe Dewitt, and this is the crypto breakdown. And today I'm going to talk about some top gainer metaverse tokens that you definitely need to know about. So the first token being the sandbox, ticker sand, which is the end game currency for the sandbox metaverse game.Now this token linked with a blockchain based virtual. Gain 23% over the last seven days. And sand actually touched an all time high of $8 and 44 cents in November. Sandbox has been an increasingly popular metaverse game and is definitely worth keeping an eye on as they plan to expand their project.The second token it, you should definitely know about would be a feta fuel ticker T fuel and T fuel. Serves as a utility token and gas token for the fate of blockchain now T fuel shot up 22.6% and touch all time highs of at 68 cents in June last year, T fuel also announced its T drop token, which will be launched in February.Which rewards activity on the feta drop NFT marketplace. Another top earner coin would beat the central land ticker Manoj. Now this token is an end game currency for the decentral land ecosystem, which allows users to buy different NFTs and the decentralized metaverse. Now this token arose 21.7% over the last seven days and touch them all time.5.9 in November. Decentral land has been very popular ecosystem and the metaverse realm on the also just had a project, fantastic land. A blockchain company said that they'd be hosting a carnival on decentral and for the upcoming lunar new year event, another top earner token would be. Ticker flow now flow actually focuses on the current generation of games and apps and their digital assets rose 28.1% over the last week and flow touch an all time high of 46 and April last year.Now flow is a blockchain project that hopes to be the streaming of blockchain for the future of e-sports gaming and blockchain gaming, which is super, super cool project. Definitely recommend keeping your eye on. And that's all the time we have for today. Guys. Those were some looks at some top earning metaverse tokens.I definitely recommend keeping your eye on them and doing some research in your own free time. When you have the time, if you want to go ahead and follow and subscribe to our podcast, you can do which will all be in the description below. Have a great day Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/crypto-daily/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Kevin is joined by Coldie, a stereoscopic 3D artist whose work focuses on blockchain and decentralized crypto art. Here, they discuss his collaboration with Snoop Dogg, the changes he's seen in the space over just the past few years, and what he's collecting when he's not creating.

Peter Ng graduated from UCLA in Design Media Arts, helped shape the early mobile experience at Google, completely redesigned the mobile app for Uber, and has now landed at Spatial where he heads the design team.Wired: Spatial: The Airbnb for NFTsThe spatial virtual reality experienceHardwareOculus Rift - https://www.oculus.com/rifthttps://www.microsoft.com/en-us/hololensMagic Leap - https://www.magicleap.com/en-usPlatform being built on UnityHow they create a presence layer for people to collaborate and mingle3D environments to showcase art and portfoliosHow to think about making a unique 3D NFT and how it's related to sculptureTaking virtual hikesPeople are minting whole environments!https://www.dezeen.com/2021/03/22/mars-house-krista-kim-nft-newsSold on SuperRare: https://superrare.comWhy it's important to display art in the right lighting, context, and setting. How Peter and spatial are working to create appealing digital architecture to show art in.How spatial partnered with OpenSea and SuperRare.How Peter transitioned from 3D artist to Mobile designer and how learning art as a baseline enabled him to jump mediumsHow hard it is to be a digital artistPeter's excitement about DAO's and De-centralizationhttps://ethereum.org/en/daoWhy DAO's creating ownerships automatically pushes people to shareLack of approval requirement"The world wide web becoming the world wide web again"The no code movement : https://medium.com/@McBain/build-a-no-code-ethereum-app-in-under-2-minutes-e1834d131685How do you actually view or interact with NFT's?Uploading, selling, and buying through SpatialBuying land via Decentral land - https://decentraland.orgThe easiest onboard to VR: Spatial + Oculus Quest 2NReal, one of the most inspiring new VR hardware developmentshttps://venturebeat.com/2020/08/10/nreal-light-ar-glasses-add-vr-lenses-launch-august-21-in-south-koreaWe're introducing a new series where Will, Lee, and Andrew Learn about Web3. This is a pivotal moment in time where Web3 has exploded and a lot of smart people we know are dropping their careers to transition into Web3. This is a series where we bring friends on to learn about what's happening.Previous Will, Lee, and Andrew Learn about Web3 Episodes:Will, Lee & Andrew Recap After 25 Episodes and Starting a Learning Web3 Series#27 Yoshi Luk: Exploring DeFi (Decentralized Finance)#28 Evan Lai: How to Get Started Learning About Web3#31 Jay Chang: Cofounding Genopets. A Play-to-Earn NFT Game on Solana.#32 Shalin Pei: Coinbase Designer. Unlocking a Playground for Creativity.#33 Howie Zhang: Designing an NFT Game Economy as a Quant Analyst#34 Li Ouyang: Discovering an NFT Community She's Passionate AboutResources to learn more:Read Chris Dixon: Why Web3 MattersListen to Tim Ferriss' episode with Chris Dixon and Naval Ravikant on Web3Listen to #14 Elliot Chun: Making the World a Better Place with Blockchain 

Robb is live from Coral Gables in Miami after attending DeCentral and other Expos involving crypto at Art Basel. Additionally, Jason and Robb discuss how it's insightful being in person and making connections in a space that's been primarily remote because of the pandemic. They also discuss the new product being launched in conjunction with the Embr's newest partner Wyre and what it means for the BSC space.

Welcome to the Cutting Edge: Founders' Series, where culture, and entrepreneurship, meets crypto. Today on the episode Miles of Decentral.games and gmoney discuss: Miles's background in entrepreneurship, crypto, and Decentraland Choice of using Decentraland vs web-based script When did you start DG and the user gaming experience The future of gaming features. Going beyond Decentraland and what he looks for in other metaverses How do you ensure the game is fair? ICE and the process of poker going live. Player and partnership turnover Player returns Play-to-earn ecosystem What's next for DG? Advice for other hopeful founders What is your favorite NFT?

Robb is live from Coral Gables in Miami after attending DeCentral and other Expos involving crypto at Art Basel. Additionally, Jason and Robb discuss how it's insightful being in person and making connections in a space that's been primarily remote because of the pandemic. They also discuss the new product being launched in conjunction with the Embr's newest partner Wyre and what it means for the BSC space.

decentral.games is a DAO-governed metaverse casino powered by $DG. Players earn $DG rewards for playing games, LPs earn $DG for providing liquidity, and holders earn $DG for participating in governance of the casino house funds treasury. ~~~~~ This official Crypto Gaming Institute podcast was created to showcase the leaders of the crypto gaming world, including game makers, entrepreneurs, developers, investors, experts, influencers, and more. Hosted by Ben Gothard, this show aims to discover the stories of the people behind the technology in order to better understand the intersection of cryptocurrency, gaming & blockchain technology. Make sure to Follow/Subscribe on your favorite podcasting platform so you're the first to know when a new episode drops! ~~~~~ A Crypto Gaming Institute Production. Website: https://CryptoGaming.Institute Twitter: https://twitter.com/CryptoGamingI Discord: https://discord.gg/VKMVr8nSJt Podcast: https://cryptogaming.institute/podcast YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/ben-gothard?s... YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/c/BenGothard/join NFT Collection: https://opensea.io/CryptoGamingInstitute

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From Bitcoin to NFTs, interest in crypto and the blockchain has never been greater. Millions of people around the world invest in various crypto currencies, exchanges seem to pop-up daily, and for better or worse the pace of innovation and new services is reminiscent of the early of the days of the Internet. As the industry races ahead, where does the law fit in? Can the law fit in? Addison Cameron-Huff is a Toronto-based blockchain and cryptocurrency lawyer. A former president of Decentral, a leading Canadian blockchain company and the co-founder of Toronto Blockchain Week, his clients have included virtual currency dealers, DeFI platforms, and stablecoin developers. He joins the Law Bytes podcast to provide some insight into the state of Canadian law and regulation when it comes to this fast-moving, globally oriented sector. The podcast can be downloaded here, accessed on YouTube, and is embedded below. Subscribe to the podcast via Apple Podcast, Google Play, Spotify or the RSS feed. Updates on the podcast on Twitter at @Lawbytespod. Credits: CBC News, Toronto Stock Exchange Launches World’s First Bitcoin ETF

Anthony Di Iorio is the Co-founder of Ethereum and an early investor in Bitcoin – a claim to fame that not many people can make. Since then, Anthony has launched the blockchain company Decentral, and Jaxx wallet. He also served as the first chief digital officer of the Toronto Stock Exchange. Despite the major financial success crypto has brought him, Anthony made headlines this past year when he announced he was “quitting crypto” due to security concerns of high-level investing and a desire to focus on philanthropy. Today, Anthony is discussing everything from his initial interest in crypto to his passion for solving major issues in the world today.

Die Finanzwelt befindet sich im Wandel. Kryptowährungen und die Blockchaintechnologie eröffnen völlig neue Möglichkeiten der Geldanlage und finanzielle Transaktionen selbst basieren auf anderen Gesetzen und Vorgängen, als es in der klassische Finanzwelt bisher üblich war. Ein essentielles Thema in diesem Zusammenhang ist die dezentralisierte Finanzwirtschaft, kurz DeFi. Um ein wenig Licht in dieses hochkomplexe Thema zu bringen, hat sich Joel mit Daniel Resas einen absoluten Experten eingeladen und spricht mit ihm über eine (nicht mehr ganz) neue Finanzwelt, die ein Umdenken und neue Regulatorien erfordert, aber der Finanzwirtschaft auch völlig neue Möglichkeiten bietet. Seid gespannt! Du erfährst… · …was genau dezentralisierte Finanzwirtschaft ist. · …was sich hinter dem Begriff „Money Lego“ verbirgt. · …wie sich die Rolle der Banken verändert. · …warum finanzielle Sicherheiten neu definiert werden müssen.

Show notes for this week! Enjoy the smooth lo-fi sound of the “Decentral Perk” album from Beyond Rockets. Devon purchases this album on the podcast. The Clay Nation project and NFTs with accessories.  Mr. Burns gets an air drop NFT for his NFT. What did we do this week?!?!  Veve! Ryan buys Throg! The Aw0kEn algorithm - is living art on the blockchain The Drops have a ton of issues! The MOB - Masked on Buttons lore hunters drop. What's going to happen with NFTs and the artwork? Cardoggos is a rug pull! Did they really just copy another project? The Matrix! Baby Aliens NFT project Can you keep up with the drops? www.cnftcalendar.com www.NFTCalendar.com Get ready for the Gnomies drop The NFT art world gets NSFW The Cardano Summit! It's pronounced “Yo-Roi” The future of crypto is in continental Africa Chain-link, oracles and the utility they brings Blockchain use cases Hybrid smart contracts and dapps

How many of us are kicking ourselves for not investing $100 in Bitcoin in 2010 - it would be worth almost $48 million today. Anthony Di Iorio, one of the co-founders of Ethereum, the massive open-source blockchain, which is home to Ether, the second biggest cryptocurrency in the world after Bitcoin, is not kicking himself. Anthony was an early investor in Bitcoin putting in $8,000 back in 2012. With the proceeds of his first sale of Bitcoin, Anthony was able to initially fund Ethereum with the few million dollars he made. Anthony stepped away from Ethereum in 2015, and is currently the founder and CEO of the blockchain company Decentral - a software development company he founded that focuses on blockchain tech.  Anthony's story is wild - not your average entrepreneur tale. He needs round the clock bodyguards and for a man who's spent his working life seeking freedom, that doesn't sit well.  “I always search for freedom, to be empowered, where I can be in control of my life utilising technology to do that. A big turning point for me [was] when I'm surrounded by security guards and thinking, is this really the life that I want? And the answer is no. The more I search for freedom, the less freedom I actually get.” Links: Decentral Ethereum.org Want to receive our podcast on a weekly basis? Subscribe to our newsletter!

Season 6 calendar, notes and show topics: 7/19/21   Multi Level Marketing and Direct Sales in the Digital Era:   What kind of MLM's are there and how can we sign up? Which are the most profitable? pros/cons Is it a real business though? How can I turn my business into a MLM?  7/26/21   Amazing Amazon:   Amazon is the world's largest marketplace- if you aren't selling on Amazon... WHY NOT?! Let's fix that this week!  8/2/21      Affiliate links made easy!    8/9/21      Turn Hobbies into Income    8/16/21   How to invest in Crypto Currency   Crypto.com + how to mine or generate crypto for FREE! WHAT NOW!  8/23/21   Make your own currency!    Tokens to be exact and put them to work in your business! 8/30/21   Social Selling- FB, IG, TT   Make money online generating and selling content! Not about how to grow your audience, just how to get started. 9/6/21   Social Selling- YT, webinars   Make money online generating and selling content! Not about how to grow your audience, just how to get started. 9/13/21   Land Mine?   How to use Decentral land to create your own virtual business world 9/20/21   Make and Sell your NFT   Title really does say it all here.  9/27/21   Summary of what we built.    

#Bitcoin #Mining #ChinaminersI'd like to welcome everyone to my new PODCASTDave's Daily Crypto TakeIn this channel I will be providing you with news on a daily basis about cryptocurrency, bitcoin, blockchain, FIAT. My main purpose is to share UNBIASED news and updates. Ultimately I learn and hopefully you learn while I go on this journey.ARTICLES used in today's video:https://decrypt.co/76212/ethereum-co-founder-sell-firm-quit-cryptocurrency-report?utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=feed&utm_source=flipboardEthereum Co-Founder to Sell Firm, Quit Cryptocurrency: ReportAnthony Di Iorio, one of Ethereum's eight co-founders, plans to sell his software development firm, Decentral, and transition away from non-crypto ventures, according to a report today in Bloomberg.“I want to diversify to not being a crypto guy, but being a guy tackling complex problems,” Di Iorio told the publication.https://ambcrypto.com/ethereums-on-chain-metrics-reveal-its-still-too-early-to/Ethereum's on-chain metrics reveal ‘it's still too early to….'Ethereum has seen considerable volatility over the last few days, with the effects of the same pretty visible on most of the altcoin market as well. With metrics and analysts predicting an upcoming downtrend for the second-generation cryptocurrency, investors have understandably become very cautious. Is Ethereum heading for a bearish market? Looking at these metrics will help answer that question.Over the last 30 days, ETH has fallen by over 25%. While it made a major recovery on 7 July, due to rising negative sentiment across the market, the altcoin fell on the charts once again. Now, somehow ETH managed to hold its position above $1800. But, that was the only positive aspect at this point. As long as ETH remains above its $1800 support, the $2200 resistance trendline can be retested.https://ambcrypto.com/anonymous-announces-intent-to-wage-war-against-china-elon-musk-with-new-token/Did ‘Anonymous' announce intent to ‘wage war' against China, Elon Musk?Anonymous is back! And this time, they are bringing a new token with them. Or, so it would seem.Dubbed Anon Inu, the infamous hacker group – Anonymous – is in the news today after it allegedly announced its intent to “wage a war against China and Elon Musk” with its new token. Although the two seem like an odd pairing to have as rivals, Anonymous has its own reasons.In a recently released video, Anonymous started by touching upon the ongoing crackdown on Bitcoin mining in China. The “sudden flip” by Chinese authorities regarding mining was not only shocking but also bloody for the Bitcoin market. However, according to Anonymous, this was a deliberate attempt by the Chinese Communist Party [CCP] to curb competition for its soon-to-be-launched Digital Yuan.https://finbold.com/former-us-treasury-secretary-on-bitcoin/Former US Treasury Secretary's Bitcoin views ‘have evolved', says it's a substitute for GoldFormer U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin has said his view on Bitcoin has changed after initially stating the digital currency has no inherent value.Speaking to CNBC, Munchin said his opinion has evolved, stating that Bitcoin is a perfect substitute to the perennial store of value Gold. However, he maintained that he has no intention of putting Bitcoin in his portfolio. https://www.theblockcrypto.com/post/111682/malaysia-police-crash-bitcoin-miners?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rssViral video shows Malaysia police crushing 1,069 bitcoin miners with a steamrollerA video clip that went viral on Twitter on Friday initially led many to wonder who would destroy such a significant number of bitcoin mining equipment and where. Turns out it was the Malaysia police.The video that shows a steamroller crushing hundreds of bitcoin ASIC miners on the ground first started to circulate among the Chinese crypto community on WeChat on Friday morning local time. Some initially speculated that it happened in China or Latin America as the background of the video made it difficulty to tell its whereabouts exactly.https://www.benzinga.com/markets/cryptocurrency/21/07/22020728/fund-manager-says-this-is-the-cryptocurrency-secret-that-very-few-people-knowFund Manager Says This Is The Cryptocurrency Secret 'That Very Few People Know'The Bitcoin fever hasn't broken, Bitwise Asset Management CIO Matthew Hougan said Friday on CNBC's "Squawk On The Street."Bitwise focuses on the financial advisor market and that market is making a two- to five-year move into cryptocurrency, Hougan said, adding that inflows at Bitwise have shown continued strength.What's Going On With Crypto? The cryptocurrency market is experiencing a brief period of uncertainty amid regulation expectations and the mining crackdown in China, he said. https://alternative.me/crypto/fear-and-greed-index/https://coinmarketcap.com/Please subscribe, like, and share so that more and more people can view this content.DISCLAIMER: I will never give any financial advice. And my channel is not considered official Financial Advice. Please do your research before purchasing any cryptocurrency.Thank you very much DaveSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/daves-daily-crypto-take/donations

Anthony DiIorio funded & co-founded Ethereum, the decentralized smart contract platform that at its peak hit $350 billion in market cap. Currently, he is the founder and CEO of Decentral Inc., a Toronto-based innovation hub & software development company focused on decentralized technologies. In this EP, we discuss the origins of Ethereum; Anthony's problem-solving formula; his take on Elon Musk's influence in the world of crypto, and more. EP Sponsor: BitBuy.ca - enter code 'E2' for $20 free

In this podcast or video, I talk about a very interesting project called decentral games. Decentral games is a casino on the blockchain and in the virtual world of Decentralland. It's different than other cryptocurrency casinos. The reason why it's different than other cryptocurrency casinos is because of its nature to be user-friendly within a virtual reality world. That makes it much more real and lifelike than going onto a website and placing a bet. It's something that will attract a different type of user as people grow more and more fond of the virtual reality world the decentral games could be one of the largest Spaces in casinos and in the Blockchain multi-verse. I am very fond of their ability to stake the DG token as well as all the other benefits too the DG token holds. If you would like to feel free to subscribe to the channel to see more projects like the central games that can potentially bring some very good passive income. Please remember that I am not a financial visor and I am only an entertainer. To Get To DEcentral Games Click The Link https://decentral.games/da8c3e Referral Links Bearn.fi - Link: https://bearn.fi/?a=v2moZ4uadXqefV3Qr68wXgTdyBB Bdex.fi - https://alpha.bdex.fi/#/?a=v2moZ4uadXqefV3Qr68wXgTdyBB Biswap - https://biswap.org/?ref=15544d0d4d31400f86a8Biswap 90 / 10 - https://biswap.org/?ref=adf3f11b7c0142542e81 Block fi - Link: https://blockfi.com/?ref=f8b80981 Kucoin- Code : rJJNL5Y Link : https://www.kucoin.com/ucenter/signup?rcode=rJJNL5Y&lang=en_US&utm_source=friendInvite Binance.us - Link : https://accounts.binance.us/en/register?ref=53467440 Crypto.com: Use my referral link https://crypto.com/app/pncj9hyd9w to sign up for Crypto.com and we both get $25 USD :) Fundrise - Link: https://fundrise.com/i/5r5x7g?utm_source=fundrise&utm_campaign=ios_share Celsius - referral code: 193967aa95 when signing up and earn $40 in BTC with your first transfer of $400 or more! #UnbankYourself Link : https://celsiusnetwork.app.link/193967aa95 --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/jcrypto/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/jcrypto/support

In this podcast or video, I talk about a very interesting project called decentral games. Decentral games is a casino on the blockchain and in the virtual world of Decentralland. It's different than other cryptocurrency casinos. The reason why it's different than other cryptocurrency casinos is because of its nature to be user-friendly within a virtual reality world. That makes it much more real and lifelike than going onto a website and placing a bet. It's something that will attract a different type of user as people grow more and more fond of the virtual reality world the decentral games could be one of the largest Spaces in casinos and in the Blockchain multi-verse. I am very fond of their ability to stake the DG token as well as all the other benefits too the DG token holds. If you would like to feel free to subscribe to the channel to see more projects like the central games that can potentially bring some very good passive income. Please remember that I am not a financial visor and I am only an entertainer. To Get To DEcentral Games Click The Link https://decentral.games/da8c3e Referral Links Bearn.fi - Link: https://bearn.fi/?a=v2moZ4uadXqefV3Qr68wXgTdyBB Bdex.fi - https://alpha.bdex.fi/#/?a=v2moZ4uadXqefV3Qr68wXgTdyBB Biswap - https://biswap.org/?ref=15544d0d4d31400f86a8Biswap 90 / 10 - https://biswap.org/?ref=adf3f11b7c0142542e81 Block fi - Link: https://blockfi.com/?ref=f8b80981 Kucoin- Code : rJJNL5Y Link : https://www.kucoin.com/ucenter/signup?rcode=rJJNL5Y&lang=en_US&utm_source=friendInvite Binance.us - Link : https://accounts.binance.us/en/register?ref=53467440 Crypto.com: Use my referral link https://crypto.com/app/pncj9hyd9w to sign up for Crypto.com and we both get $25 USD :) Fundrise - Link: https://fundrise.com/i/5r5x7g?utm_source=fundrise&utm_campaign=ios_share Celsius - referral code: 193967aa95 when signing up and earn $40 in BTC with your first transfer of $400 or more! #UnbankYourself Link : https://celsiusnetwork.app.link/193967aa95 --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/jcrypto/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/jcrypto/support

Today's Flash Back Friday comes from Episode 353, originally published in December 2013. John McAfee is in the news, as he is trying to create an NSA-proof gadget used for private internet browsing, called "Decentral." McAfee, original creator of McAfee Antivirus software was born in the United Kingdom and raised in Salem, Virginia, United States.  McAfee was employed as a programmer by NASA's Institute for Space Studies in New York City from 1968 to 1970. From there he went to Univac as a software designer and later to Xerox. as an operating system architect. In 1978 he joined Computer Sciences Corporation as a software consultant. Later, while employed by Lockheed in the 1980s, McAfee received a copy of the Pakistani Brain computer virus and began developing software to combat viruses. In 1987 McAfee founded McAfee Associates, a computer anti-virus company. He was the first to distribute anti-virus software using the shareware business model. In 1989, he quit Lockheed and began working full-time at McAfee Associates, which he initially operated from his home in Santa Clara, California.The company was incorporated in Delaware in 1992, and McAfee resigned from the company in 1994. Two years after McAfee Associates went public, McAfee sold his remaining stake in the company. Network Associates was formed in 1997 as a merger of McAfee Associates and Network General. This company later became Network Associates, a name it retained for seven years until it was renamed McAfee. Now a subsidiary of Intel corporation, McAfee remains today as one of the largest anti-virus companies in the world. Other business ventures that he founded included Tribal Voice, which developed one of the first instant messaging programs, PowWow. In 2000, John McAfee invested in and joined the board of directors of Zone Labs, makers of firewall software, prior to its acquisition by Check Point Software in 2003. In August 2009, The New York Times reported that McAfee's personal fortune had declined to $4 million from a peak of $100 million, the effect of the global financial crisis and recession on his investments. Beginning in February 2010, McAfee started a new venture in the field of bacterial quorum sensing. His company QuorumEx has its headquarters in Belize and is working towards producing commercial all natural antibiotics based on anti-quorum sensing technology. In 2013 McAfee started a new company, Future Tense Central, to produce a secure computer network device called the D-Central. Website: www.FutureTenseCentral.com www.JasonHartman.com/Properties

“By using problem solving capabilities and different frameworks you can create win win wins across the board”. In this episode, Anthony Di Iorio, Founder of Ethereum and CEO at Decentral discusses his involvement in the crypto space and how that in turn led to the creation of Decentral. Anthony also touches upon the future of blockchain and gives his advice to aspiring entrepreneurs for breaking into the blockchain industry and securing funding using non-traditional methods.

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We return with the 2nd part of our discussion with Anthony DiIorio, who was our guest previously on episode 45. Anthony brings us though his journey with the founding of Ethereum – a leading global crypto platform that helped show the world the power of decentralized economic decision making. We discuss creating wins for all stakeholders, the need for collaboration, making impact to change the world and improving life. We also talk about how we could allow ourselves to exploring beyond even this. Anthony is big on inter-connectedness: becoming stronger together by knowing that we are all truly connected. That is how we create movements. Website: www.decentral.ca TW: @diiorioanthony Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anthonydiiorio1/ Behind Greatness website: www.inspirenorth.com/podcast Behind Greatness IG: @behindgreatnesspodcast & @inspire_north

This is an episode of The Disruptors Behind Innovation with host Raj Lala and guest, Anthony Di Iorio. Anthony is founder and CEO of Decentral Inc. He funded and co-founded Ethereum, the decentralized smart contract platform. In this conversation, we discuss the ethereum blockchain, cryptocurrencies (ether/bitcoin), disruptive technologies, giving back to the community and helping solve problems. GUEST SPEAKER: Anthony Di Iorio, Founder and CEO of Decentral Inc. Over the course of three decades, Anthony Di Iorio has launched more than 10 companies and invested tens of millions of dollars in numerous industries, including blockchain. Anthony immediately recognized the paradigm shift from the Age of Computing to the Age of Information and, more recently, to the Age of Value. In late 2013 Anthony funded & co-founded Ethereum, the decentralized smart contract platform that at its peak hit $150 billion in market cap. Currently, he is the founder and CEO of Decentral Inc., a Toronto-based innovation hub & software development company focused on decentralized technologies. Decentral is the maker of Jaxx Liberty, a digital asset platforms that has empowered millions of people with the tools they need to control their digital lives. Well-versed in cryptocurrency, blockchain, finance and business, he has advised a number of companies, and as the inaugural Chief Digital Officer for the TMX Group, the parent company of The Toronto Stock Exchange, he explored ways to make exchanges operate faster and cheaper through blockchain technology. Anthony has shared his visionary insight with hundreds of thousands of people around the world. Since 2012, he has given numerous lectures, speeches, keynote addresses and interviews, and even hosted over 100 technology events. He was a lecturer at the University of Nicosia’s Master’s program in Digital Currencies and an Adjunct Professor at the University of Toronto Faculty of Law teaching “Cryptocurrencies, Crypto Ventures and the Future of the Exchange.” In 2018, Anthony further distinguished himself as the winner of the EY Emerging Entrepreneur Of The Year Award, as the winner of the FinTech Leader of the Year Award, and made Toronto Life’s list of the 50 Most Influential people in 2018. HOSTED BY: Raj Lala, President & CEO of Evolve ETFs Prior to founding Evolve ETFs, Mr. Lala served as Head of WisdomTree Canada – a division of WisdomTree Investments Inc., one of the world’s largest ETF issuers. Prior to this, Mr. Lala was Executive Vice President and Head of Retail Markets for Fiera Capital Corporation, a prominent Canadian investment management firm with over $100 billion in assets under management. Mr. Lala co-founded and served as President and CEO of Propel Capital Corporation (which was acquired by Fiera Capital Corporation in September 2014). Propel raised approximately $1 Billion in structured products in its five years of operation. Prior to Propel, Mr. Lala worked with Jovian Capital. Mr. Lala held several roles at Jovian including President of JovFunds Inc., an asset management division of Jovian Capital. Mr. Lala holds a Bachelor’s degree in Economics from the University of Toronto. TIMESTAMPS: 0:15 Opening remarks 0:50 Introduction to Anthony 1:37 How Decentral started 4:15 Who is the Decentral audience 5:25 Background of Di Iorio 8:00 The breakthrough of Crypto 10:30 Creating a win for the public 12:40 Anti-trust movement 16:10 What is Ethereum 17:45 What is required for crypto adoption 20:15 Is wider adoption of crypto coming? 22:15 Top disruptive themes in the next 5 years 23:15 Three influential people in Anthony’s life 25:30 Top podcasts 26:40 Closing remarks

Anthony Di Iorio is primarily known as a co-founder of Ethereum and an early investor in Bitcoin. Di Iorio is the founder and CEO of the blockchain company Decentral, and the associated Jaxx wallet. He also served as the first chief digital officer of the Toronto Stock Exchange. In this conversation, we discuss the early days of bitcoin, co-founding Ethereum, how to compound impact, and what he is building with Decentral and Jaxx.  ======================= LMAX Digital is the leading institutional crypto currency exchange with current average daily columes of $2bn. Built on proven, trusted LMAX Group trading technology, LMAX Digital delivers a market-leading solution for trading and custodial services for the most liquid crypto currencies. Trading with all the largest institutions globally, LMAX Digital is a primary price discovery venue, streaming real-time market data to the industry’s leading indices and analytics platforms, enhancing the quality of market information available to investors and enabling a credible overview of the spot crypto currency market. Learn more at lmaxdigital.com/pomp ======================= Exodus is an absolute game changer in the crypto wallet space, and we’ve teamed up to offer an exclusive discount for you, as listeners of the podcast. Sign up for Exodus today using my promo code Exodus.com/pomp. This is a no brainer for both newcomers and crypto heavyweights - go sign up today.  ======================= Pomp writes a daily letter to over 150,000 investors about business, technology, and finance. He breaks down complex topics into easy to understand language, while sharing opinions on various aspects of each industry. You can subscribe at https://www.pompletter.com =======================

As a youngster growing up just outside of Toronto, Anthony lived in an entrepreneurial environment. His father, an inventor, instilled in him the importance of being curious, asking questions and breaking through. With authority never sitting right with him as a boy, he chose to explore his own path as a young man after a brief stint in the family business. His path was not short of probing, stumbling, succeeding, learning, and resetting. And, in 2011/2012, he found that the emerging crypto-space spoke dearly to his natural inclinations and talent. And he dove right in. Being one of the pioneers in the field he learned first hand what the world really needed – and that he could be at the forefront of real change and (compounding) impact. We learn how he is currently forging ahead and we get a small glimpse of how he plans to serve others – something that ultimately matters to him above all else. Website: www.decentral.ca TW: @diiorioanthony Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anthonydiiorio1/ Behind Greatness website: www.inspirenorth.com/podcast Behind Greatness IG: inspire_north Behind Greatness TW: inspire_north

We return to discuss some of the latest developments happening within Decentraland. This time Decentral Games releases their own Token called $DG. This token will serve as a governance token to decide on where to spend funds decided by the community. The token will also be used to incentivize players to gamble in their casino. This is the first sign of true sustainability within the metaverse and just the first sign of an activity that most projects will adopt. We also discuss Bitcoin logic where in 10 years we can see the price of Bitcoin go as high as $1M. Topics: First up, Decentral Games launches their own token. Next, a token that represents your project in the metaverse will become the norm. Then, We discuss Bitcoin Logic And Finally, we debrief on NFTBank discussion. Please like and subscribe on your favorite podcasting app! Website: www.theblockrunner.com Follow us on: Youtube: https://bit.ly/TBlkRnnrYouTube Twitter: bit.ly/TBR-Twitter Telegram: bit.ly/TBR-Telegram Discord: bit.ly/TBR-Discord LBRY: http://bit.ly/LBRYTBR Music by OfDream - Thelema

Today Maggie Xu joins us to discuss how Axis is solving some of Defi’s biggest challenges.  Maggie brings more than a decade of business, technology and legal experience. Most recently she was the CEO of Decentral and Jaxx, a world-class cryptocurrency wallet that has over 2 million users globally. A builder at heart, prior to becoming the CEO of Decentral, Maggie worked closely with Anthony Di Iorio, cofounder of Ethereum. Also a business lawyer and an adjunct blockchain professor at the BlockchainHub of York University, Maggie’s experience in both the traditional financial world and the fintech startup realm as well as agile execution make her uniquely qualified for AXIS’s Co-founder role as more we reimagine open finance with the blockchain technology. Links:  axisdefi.com https://medium.com/axis-defi View this episode on our website here. *Disclaimer. None of this information is financial advice. ~ Follow us on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, Pinterest, Discord and Uptrennd today! ~ Want to learn more about cryptocurrency? Check out our educational videos today! ~ Looking to attend a cryptocurrency or blockchain event? Check out our events page! ~ Tune in on Crypto Current TV throughout the week for a 24/7 crypto stream on the latest action on crypto markets, news, and interviews with the industry’s top experts! ~ Enjoying our podcast? Please leave us a 5 star review here! ~ Stay up to date with the latest news in cryptocurrency by opting-in to our newsletter! You will receive daily emails (M-S) that are personalized and curated content specific to you and your interests, powered by artificial intelligence.  ~ We were featured as one of the Top 25 Cryptocurrency Podcasts and one of the 16 Best Cryptocurrency Podcasts in 2020. ~ Are you an accredited investor looking to invest in cryptocurrency? Check out Crescent City Capital. ~ Want to take educational courses on cryptocurrency & blockchain? Sign up for Blockchain Training Academy today! ~ Earn Interest. Receive Loans. Trade Crypto. Start Today! Learn more about how you can sign up for Blockfi  ~ Want to be on our show or know someone who should? Contact us today! ~ We hope you are enjoying our cryptocurrency and blockchain educational content! We greatly appreciate donations, which all go directly towards creating even better educational content. Thank you for your generosity! Buy us a coffee here :) BTC: 3BpSmgS8h1sNtbk6VMiVWxoftcwBxAfGxR  ETH: 0x743c0426CE838A659F56aFC4d3c10872d758EC79  LTC: MKCpf3qEVfT6yprhDhkJJcdNpqh5PZXSbx

Dan talks about the future of cryptocurrency with Stephen Moore, who's gone from likely Fed nominee to part of a crypto central bank project called Decentral.

Bienvenidos a DecentralTech, el podcast de Blockchain España sobre descentralización y tecnología. En este primer podcast vamos a hablar sobre los fundamentos de los Smart Contracts, nuestro invitado en esta ocasión es Javier Dominguez Gomez, Ingeniero de Software, especialista en Ciberseguridad y profesor de criptografía aplicada y programación de bajo nivel en la Universidad Complutense de Madrid, además es miembro de la FSF y activista de la EFF. Durante aproximadamente media hora compartirá su punto de vista con todos nosotros.

If you're a biohacker, you're constantly looking for ways to effective products that support and sustain your energy. In this episode, Jake Fobean, founder of The Great American Muesli (pronounced "mews-lee"), shares his story on how he was able to recognize a need in the marketplace for a sustainable and healthy treat while healing your gut.  Muesli was first created in early 20th century by Swiss physician Maximilian Bircher-Benner as a healthful dietary supplement for his patients. Today, it is a delicious and healthy treat that is good for your belly while powering up during breakfast.  The Great American Muesli is one of the first brands in the US to be created with the modern American Lifestyle in mind.  You can purchase these delish versions of muesli here: https://greatamericanmuesli.com/ Check out The Great American Muesli's social media or DM directly here: https://www.instagram.com/greatamericanmueslico/   --- Thank you for supporting our Podcast!    Support the podcast to continue this podcast stream by donating cryptocurrency: https://commerce.coinbase.com/checkout/6f850891-26ac-4fb9-97fa-337dd05501a6 or via PayPal:  https://www.paypal.me/katphoenix You can also donate and subscribe to be a Patron on Patreon here to get free ebooks, guides, & retreat rewards:   https://www.patreon.com/thebrightphoenix     We are a podcast for conversations that bring forth radical ideas that disrupt the normal conversation on where we are heading into the future.  Your patreon support & donation will help us continue to provide you access to the future leaders of the future of humanity by making their mark in business, education, social change and spirituality.  Keep this podcast going by supporting us so we can continue to provide you episodes every week.    YOU ARE AMAZING!!!      Like the music? It's all from HookSounds. Keep free creative music flowing.  Share the love

Anthony Diiorio was involved with Ethereum since the earliest days. He was one of the first people to see the Ethereum ideas presented by Vitalik Buterin, and he invested deeply in Ethereum–both financially and by helping to establish the early Ethereum community. Anthony started Decentral in 2014, which is a hub for his projects in The post The Business of Decentralization with Anthony Diiorio appeared first on Software Engineering Daily.

About The Guest Malcolm CasSelle is CIO of OPSKins​ and President of WAX (Worldwide Asset eXchange)​ (Worldwide Asset eXchange), a decentralized platform for the development of secure and transparent in-game virtual item exchanges on the blockchain, created by OPSkins. He has recently appeared on television talking about this project. Prior to WAX, CasSelle was an international entrepreneur and Chief Technology Officer (CTO) and President of New Ventures at tronc, Inc. (formerly Tribune Publishing). Prior to tronc, Inc., he was Senior Vice President and General Manager, Digital Media of SeaChange International. He joined SeaChange International in 2015 as part of the company's acquisition of Timeline Labs, where he served as CEO. Previously, CasSelle led startups in the digital industry, including MediaPass, Xfire and Groupon's joint venture with Tencent in China. He has also been an active early stage investor in companies including Facebook, Zynga, and most recently Bitcoin-related companies. He has written a number of blog posts on his current projects in cryptocurrency. OPSkins OPSkins.com[1]​ is the number one centralized marketplace globally for buying and selling virtual items from online games such as CounterStrike Global Offensive (CSGO), Player Unknown Battleground (PUBG), King of the Kill (KOTK), and many others. Founded in 2015 and currently led by CEO, William Quigley​, COO Jonathan Yantis​, CTO and founder John Brechisci, Jr.​ a lifelong gamer and self-taught programmer. Recently executive added to the team is CIO, Malcolm CasSelle​ as well as a number of other executives from video game, AI, blockchain, and ecommerce industries. In 2017, OPSkins has recently launched a decentralized project, WAX (Worldwide Asset eXchange)​, a fully decentralized marketplace based on blockchain technology.Its advisors include top video game industry professionals, including creator and developer of Call of Duty Dave Anthony​, founder of Interplay and inXile Entertainment Brian Fargo​, and former CEO of Vivendi Universal Entertainment (including Blizzard Entertainment, World of Warcraft), Ken Cron​. WAX (Worldwide Asset Exchange) at www.wax.io is a decentralized platform that enables users to operate a fully functioning virtual marketplace​ with zero investment in security​, infrastructure, or payment processing​. WAX was developed by the founders of OPSkins​, the world’s leading marketplace for online video game assets​ and is designed to serve the 400+ million online players who already collect, buy and sell. With the inclusion of WAX’s simple exchange widget​, gamers will have access to a worldwide market, with ​trust and transaction verification​. Vision WAX was started with the goal of solving many of the issues that plague the virtual item​ trading industry. The virtual item trading industry is fragmented across hundreds of competing marketplaces, each utilizing different business practices tailored for their region of the world. This creates territorial supply and demand imbalances. Team WAX​ founders include CEO William Quigley, Lead Designer John Brechisci, Jr.​, and COO Jonathan Yantis​​.​ They are the team behind OPSkins​, which is the world’s leading marketplace for online video game assets. Wax WAX's advisors include top video game industry professionals, such as Dave Anthony the Creator and Developer of Call of Duty​​, Brian Fargo the Founder of Interplay Inc.​ and inXile Entertainment​​, and Ken Cron the former CEO of Vivendi Universal Entertainment​ (including Blizzard Entertainment​, World of Warcraft​)​. WAX's advisors have included cryptocurrency​ and technology industry veterans including Scott Walker the Founder and CEO of the National Data Corporation, Anthony Di Iorio the CEO and Founder at Jaxx & Decentral​ as well as a Co-founder at Ethereum, Michael Maloney the WAX System Architect and former Blockchain CTO at EY​, Michael Terpin the Founder and CEO of Transform Group, and Aaron Voisine​ the Founder and CEO of Breadwallet. ​ Links:   OPSkins Facebook   OPSkins Twitter   WAX Facebook    WAX Twitter   wax.io   opskins.com

Anthony is the CEO and Founder of Decentral – a Toronto-based innovation hub focused on disruptive and decentralized technologies.   In early 2016, they created Jaxx – one of the top multi-cryptocurrency wallets on the market.   Anthony is also one of the founding members of Ethereum and the Bitcoin Alliance of Canada.   In this episode, we discuss:   Anthony’s epic journey to Cryptocurrency. From real estate, to the family patio door business, to geothermal drilling, and finally, to a serendipitous discovery of Bitcoin that eventually led to millions We discuss how he became one of the original 5 founders of Ethereum And of course, since he invented one of the most popular cryptocurrency wallets in the space, we discuss the inevitable consequences of the current ICO bubble

Anthony Diiorio. He’s a serial entrepreneur, venture capitalist, community organizer and thought leader in the field of digital currencies, blockchain technology, and decentralized technology. He’s the founder and CEO of Decentral and Jaxx and co-founder of the Ethereum project. He previously served as the chief digital officer of The Toronto Stock Exchange. Famous Five: Favorite Book? – The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People What CEO do you follow? – N/A Favorite online tool? — LastPass How many hours of sleep do you get?— 6 If you could let your 20-year old self, know one thing, what would it be? – Anthony wished he didn’t waste his time in university Time Stamped Show Notes: 00:55 – Nathan introduces Anthony to the show 01:38 – Anthony got into the industry in 2012 and thought that crypto was going to be more important than the internet 01:57 – Before, there was disruption in the internet—now, you can send value without third parties getting involved 02:21 – We’re now moving onto the age of the movement of value 02:34 – Some third party disruptions come from banks and credit bank companies 02:53 – You can remove third parties in the value chain and connect more individuals at a lower cost 03:11 – With smart contract, you can now automate on blockchain and see a reduction cost 03:38 – A blockchain is a ledger system or an accounting system that tracks entries using cryptographics 04:20 – Digital currency didn’t work before because there was no technology for it 04:48 – Since you can’t duplicate something digital, you can claim what is yours 05:33 – Decentralized ledgers track what people are sending and receiving 05:57 – The decentralized networks are replacing centralized services 06:14 – Blockchain is the technology, bitcoin is the example of that technology 06:22 – All cryptocurrencies have blockchains below them 06:28 – Bitcoin is the first one to have its blockchain 06:30 – Ethereum has a blockchain behind it 06:39 – Blockchain makes the transactions visible and transparent 06:50 – Blockchain provides trust between two individuals 07:40 – Tokens are coins but are found on other platforms 07:45 – Ethereum is a platform that is made to build other platforms on top of it 07:51 – Ethereum provides the infrastructure layer 08:05 – There are now tons of projects building coins on the ethereum platform 08:38 – Bitcoin has its own coin while ethereum is like a product that incentivizes people to contribute to the network 09:39 – Ethereum is like an SDK depending on the developers 11:03 – Anthony had a talk with someone who's in the cannabis industry 11:06 – Anthony is creating a coin card system where you can buy any coin or currency in convenience stores 11:18 – Banks don’t want to set up accounts for bitcoin companies because they’re scared 11:47 – Anthony sees the same characteristics within the crypto space and cannabis space 12:40 – Ethereum is from Decentral, the hub that Anthony made in 2013 12:55 – Anthony sees people jumping to the crypto space without even researching 13:15 – Look online before investing because scams are everywhere 13:47 – Anything that states there’s a fixed return is fishy so you should seek advice 14:03 – Do your due diligence 14:39 – Decentral is the brand and Jaxx is the product 14:48 – Anthony shares his initial experience with the industry 15:13 – Anthony bootstrapped Etherium 15:23 – Anthony left Etherium in 2015 to focus on the wallet space 15:30 – Anthony realized that the wallet is the browser for the technology 15:51 – The wallet contains the value of movement 15:56 – Anthony developed a multi-chain, multi-platform digital wallet that enables managing and receipt of valuable digital assets 16:23 –When you start your Jaxx, you’re creating a key for your transactions 16:41 – You are in full control of your wallet 16:55 – Jaxx makes money through integration partners like ShapeShift 17:09 – Anthony made $60M from ShapeShift transactions 17:50 – Jax just signed 70 partnerships in the space 18:25 – The fund that Anthony used for Jaxx 18:45 – Jaxx is currently profitable and made $150K last month 19:03 – There are exchanges globally that enable you to buy and sell cryptocurrencies rather than wire transfers to your bank account 19:13 – There’s also a bitcoin ATM and Anthony has it 19:32 – Jaxx’s goal is to become the default interface that the masses can use to understand the power of blockchain 21:46 – The Famous Five 3 Key Points: With cryptocurrencies, you can send value without the disruption of third parties. Do your due diligence—while cryptocurrency is a hot space for investors, the chances of getting scammed is also very high. The power of blockchain isn’t only beneficial for those who are already in the space, but for everyone. Resources Mentioned: The Top Inbox – The site Nathan uses to schedule emails to be sent later, set reminders in inbox, track opens, and follow-up with email sequences GetLatka - Database of all B2B SaaS companies who have been on my show including their revenue, CAC, churn, ARPU and more Klipfolio – Track your business performance across all departments for FREE Hotjar – Nathan uses Hotjar to track what you’re doing on this site. 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Ameer is an entrepreneur, investor, blockchain evangelist and founder of BlockGeeks an online hub about the rapidly evolving world of blockchain technologies. and Rosic Media and a niche digital marketing firm that has helped many helping companies leverage the latest and greatest marketing strategy to fuel their businesses. Global Brands such as 5 Minute Journal, Luxy Hair, Activation Products, Q-con and Social-Light conference. Decentral, Jaxx and many other Fortune 500 caliber companies. Watch the full video here: https://youtu.be/1UJnOiqWu14 Link to the entire interview: https://www.theinnerchangemaker.com/podcast/053 LINKS --   Join the Legacy Driven Entrepreneurs Community (it's FREE): http://www.theinnerchangemaker.com/tribe   Are you enjoying the podcast? Listen to the episode here and leave us a review:   Apple: http://apple.co/1JUHcG9 Android: http://bit.ly/2nuoGpl TuneIn: http://bit.ly/2BjY0gU Breaker: http://bit.ly/2BRwOCb iHeartRadio: http://bit.ly/2BhMr9L Spotify: http://spoti.fi/2BbuWEg   Want to grab my NEW audio training? Grab a FREE copy of "How To Be The Leader You Truly Are": http://www.theinnerchangemaker.com/leadership   Launching a podcast? Grab my Podcast Creation Roadmap: http://www.theinnerchangemaker.com/roadmap      

If you have lofty visions of banking millions off cryptocurrency, Decentral CEO Anthony Di Iorio and COO Charlie Shrem have words to contemplate as they discuss what Di Iorio calls a “shifting from the information age to a much more powerful age of value”. As cryptocurrency and blockchain continue their unstoppable climb to mainstream relevancy, trying to get your foot in the door without the proper knowledge will leave you vulnerable. Pay heed to Di Iorio and Shrem's views on this and other aspects of the burgeoning industry: both men have been embedded for years and have seen it all. They discuss Decentral and its core product Jaxx, a cryptocurrency wallet software. They also reveal a Rating System that helps them determine whom they should and shouldn't work with. Just as importantly, they also disclose common pitfalls that newbies to the ecosystem should be aware of and whether or not Trump is one of them. If all of that isn't enough, check out what else you'll also learn: * The eight crucial things tour company needs to thrive in the ecosystem (and what spelling has to do with it) * The biggest threat to the industry's reputation * How to reduce your reliance on banks * That Coindesk.com and Bitcoin.com are restricting your learning curve – and how you can overcome this The future holds great secrets for us to explore so stay in the know about future tech at futuretechpodcast.com. Make sure to review, subscribe and like us on Facebook and Twitter.

The "vibe" around Bitcoin has been neutral to negative for two years now and plenty of bitcoiners are tiring of the politics around the block size limit. Ethereum is young and exciting but not like anything else in the crypto space. A recurring theme at the Satoshi Roundtable is that Bitcoin problems are leading to rise in Ethereum interest. Enter our guest this week, Anthony Di Iorio, CEO and founder of Jaxx and Decentral, who co-founded Ethereum in 2013. Jaxx and ShapeShift together will, without doubt, be the easiest solution for buying ether with bitcoin (and vice versa) ‒ and it's done right in your Jaxx wallet.

YouTube video here! Topics include: - Blockchain wallets - Practical uses for Ethereum - Artist networks - Mobile net security About the Guests: - Anthony is a serial entrepreneur, public speaker and devout supporter of cryptocurrencies and blockchain and decentralized technologies. He is a co-founder, advisor and consultant for the Ethereum Project; founder and president of Decentral, Decentral Consulting and decentral.tv; founder and CEO of KryptoKit; and organizer of the Toronto DEC_TECH events hosted at MaRS Discovery District. His companies and projects operate out of Toronto’s Decentral, a business development hub where resident companies specialize in cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin and other decentralized blockchain technologies including Ethereum. - Matej was always interested in new technologies and future progress. During his studies at the Technical University in Bratislava he took an internship in BMW Munich as a technical concept creator. Although his background is in applied mechanics, he became involved in blockchain based technologies in 2013. Fascinated by the decentralized protocols, he was interested in the cryptocurrency mining at first. Since then he has supported the community by helping to organize events such as Central European Bitcoin Expo Vienna and Bitcoin 2 Business Congress Brussels, advising on mining technologies and discussing future possibilities for blockchain. Currently he is focusing on the main project – DECENT platform – he co-founded. If you like this content, please send a tip with BTC to: 1444meJi7YjgQGNg3U8Z6qYZFA5cgz4Gmj More Info: TatianaMoroz.com CryptoMediaHub.com Vaultoro.comdecentral.ca decent.ch Friends and Sponsors of the Show:TheBitcoinCPA.comCryptoCompare.comFreeRoss.orgThirdKey.SolutionsSovrynTech.comSexAndScienceHour.com

We were joined by repeat guest Anthony di Iorio, a definite contender for having (co-)founded the most projects in the blockchain space including Ethereum, Kryptokit, Decentral and Jaxx. We got an update on the vibrant Toronto blockchain scene and Decentral. The main discussion revolved around the new wallet Jaxx that is simultaneously a Bitcoin and Ethereum wallet and takes a significant step towards a more unified and accessible cryptocurrency experience. Finally, we discussed his recent appointment as Chief Digital Officer at the Toronto Stock Exchange / TMX Group and the upcoming trade show Blockchain World Expo. Topics covered in this episode: Update on Decentral and Kryptokit How the Jaxx wallet Unique UI challenges of Ethereum wallets The role of community in bringing innovation to corporates His role as Chief Digital Officer at the TMX Group The upcoming Blockchain World Expo in Toronto Episode links: Jaxx Bitcoin and Ethereum wallet Decentral Decentral.tv Blockchain World Expo This episode is hosted by Brian Fabian Crain and Sébastien Couture. Show notes and listening options: epicenter.tv/127

Anthony Di Iorio discusses the Decentral project.

Topics covered in this episode: Anthony di Iorio (Founder Decentral, Founder Ethereum, Toronto Bitcoin Meetup, Executive Director Bitcoin Alliance of Canada) Arthur Corry (Managing Director Decentral Accelerate) Ethan Wilding (Resident Philosopher and Ethereum) Michael Perklin (Bitcoinsultants, Director Bitcoin Alliance Canada, Founder Crypto Currency Certification Consortium) Episode links: Decentral Decentral Accelerate Bitcoin Alliance Canada Bitcoin Toronto Meetup Crypto Currency Certification Consortium (C4) Bitcoinsultants Bitcoin: The End of Money Kickstarter As We Know It Bitcoin: The End of Money - Matt Miller Interview This episode is hosted by Brian Fabian Crain and Sébastien Couture. Show notes and listening options: epicenter.tv/026

The Future Of Crypto-currency With Founder Of Ethereum.org And BitcoinDecentral.ca at bitcoin decentral by scobleizer

John McAfee is in the news, as he is trying to create an NSA-proof gadget used for private internet browsing, called "Decentral." [read more] McAfee, original creator of McAfee Antivirus software was born in the United Kingdom and raised in Salem, Virginia, United States.    McAfee was employed as a programmer by NASA's Institute for Space Studies in New York City from 1968 to 1970. From there he went to Univac as a software designer and later to Xerox. as an operating system architect. In 1978 he joined Computer Sciences Corporation as a software consultant. Later, while employed by Lockheed in the 1980s, McAfee received a copy of the Pakistani Brain computer virus and began developing software to combat viruses.   In 1987 McAfee founded McAfee Associates, a computer anti-virus company. He was the first to distribute anti-virus software using the shareware business model. In 1989, he quit Lockheed and began working full-time at McAfee Associates, which he initially operated from his home in Santa Clara, California.The company was incorporated in Delaware in 1992, and McAfee resigned from the company in 1994. Two years after McAfee Associates went public, McAfee sold his remaining stake in the company.   Network Associates was formed in 1997 as a merger of McAfee Associates and Network General. This company later became Network Associates, a name it retained for seven years until it was renamed McAfee. Now a subsidiary of Intel corporation, McAfee remains today as one of the largest anti-virus companies in the world.   Other business ventures that he founded included Tribal Voice, which developed one of the first instant messaging programs, PowWow. In 2000, John McAfee invested in and joined the board of directors of Zone Labs, makers of firewall software, prior to its acquisition by Check Point Software in 2003.   In August 2009, The New York Times reported that McAfee's personal fortune had declined to $4 million from a peak of $100 million, the effect of the global financial crisis and recession on his investments. Beginning in February 2010, McAfee started a new venture in the field of bacterial quorum sensing. His company QuorumEx has its headquarters in Belize and is working towards producing commercial all natural antibiotics based on anti-quorum sensing technology. In 2013 McAfee started a new company, Future Tense Central, to produce a secure computer network device called the D-Central.