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Humor, Healing, and Resilience with Elaine Lindsay In this episode, you'll hear:  How our belief system about ourselves is formed—and how to shift it What it's like to live with suicidal ideation Strength in accepting what you can and cannot change In this episode, Mathew, Dr. Dave Leicken, and Elaine Lindsay explore the power of humor as a therapeutic tool, highlighting its ability to bring lightness to even the heaviest of struggles. They discuss the importance of beginning the healing process while emphasizing that it doesn't have to follow a specific timeline. The conversation also delves into the realities of living with suicidal ideation, offering insights into navigating these challenges with compassion, resilience, and support. Elaine Lindsay is a Canadian speaker, podcaster, and digital integration specialist dedicated to mental health advocacy, particularly suicide prevention and awareness. As the host of the Suicide Zen Forgiveness podcast, she fosters open and honest conversations to break the silence, stigma, and shame surrounding suicide loss, ideation, and mental health. Her personal journey is one of profound resilience—having lost a friend to suicide at 16, turned to substance use, and endured a life-altering car crash in her 20s that resulted in the loss of a pregnancy. Despite facing multiple personal losses and numerous surgeries, Elaine has found strength in community support, storytelling, and even humor. Writing for Medium and performing stand-up, she uses laughter as a healing tool, bringing a unique perspective to discussions on grief, trauma, and recovery. “Don't keep everything inside. You are not a one person army.” - Elaine Lindsay “When you realize that some of these things are temporary, and the fact is, I lived through all that pain, I can go through one more thing.” -Elaine Lindsay “If you can just keep moving forward and keep plowing through, things eventually settle down. And when you get on the other side of it, there is gold. There are lessons to be learned, and there are things you can draw out of the pain that make you stronger, wiser, better equipped to help other people going through it.” - Dr. Dave Leicken Follow the podcast:  Listen on Apple Podcasts (link: https://apple.co/3s1YH7h)  Listen on iHeart (link: https://ihr.fm/3MEY7FM)  Listen on Spotify (Link: https://spoti.fi/3yMmQCE)    Resources: Elaine Lindsay Website Suicide Zen Forgiveness Podcast by Elaine Lindsay Elaine Lindsay Linkedin  Dr. Dave Leicken   Connect with Mathew Blades:  Twitter - twitter.com/MathewBlades Instagram - instagram.com/MathewBladesmedia/  Facebook - facebook.com/mathewbladesmedia/  Website - learnfrompeoplewholivedit.com/   Additional Credits: LFPWLI is managed by IMS LLC   A note from our partner, Better Than Bitter:   Divorce isn't just a life transition - it's a full-blown identity shift. One day you're a partner, a parent, and a planner for the future. The next? You're staring at paperwork, lawyer fees, and the overwhelming question: ‘What now?'   I know it's hard. That's why we've created these courses - to give you courage, clarity, communication tools, and the support you need to move forward with confidence (and maybe even a little hope)!   Reality check! Divorce is expensive - but battling in court is even more costly. For less than the price of an hour of an attorney's time, you'll gain the tools, support, and strategies to create a peaceful path forward. This program will pay for itself by helping you save thousands in legal fees and emotional stress! Hit these links to sign up today.   Premium 5-Step Game Plan Course w/ Chat Coaching https://tanialeichliter.ontralink.com/t?orid=1049&opid=7  Standard Course 5-Step Game Plan Course https://tanialeichliter.ontralink.com/t?orid=1049&opid=8     

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Unleashing Strength: From Adversity to Empowerment with Dr. Valéssa L. Taylor   In this heartfelt and powerful episode, Elaine Lindsay interviews Dr. Valéssa L. Taylor, a highly decorated Air Force veteran and trauma breakthrough specialist. Dr. Taylor shares her journey of resilience and healing after losing her husband to suicide and overcoming personal trauma, including being a magnet for toxic relationships. She discusses her faith, the influence of her grandmother Helen Marie Winslow, and the healing process of turning pain into power through writing. Dr. Taylor authored books like 'Rape the Silencer: Good Girls Don't Tell' and empowers others to face their inner challenges and heal. The conversation highlights the importance of faith, the strength of women, and the courage to break the silence on issues like rape and mental health. Dr. Taylor emphasizes the need to forgive oneself and start a journey of healing, inspiring listeners with her story of fortitude and service.   00:00 Welcome and Guest Introduction 02:00 Dr. Valéssa L. Taylor's Story Begins 04:11 Facing Trauma and Finding Resilience 06:48 The Healing Journey and Writing 13:11 Faith and Family Influence 30:33 Empowerment and Final Thoughts 37:42 Introducing Dr. Valéssa L. Taylor 38:42 A Story of Resilience and Strength 39:59 Navigating Trauma and Healing 44:30 The Power of Faith and Community 19:58 Generational Strength and Legacy 25:39 Empowerment and Moving Forward 33:32 Final Thoughts and Farewell   BIO  Dr. Valéssa L. Taylor, an acclaimed Air Force veteran with over two decades of distinguished service, is a leading voice in trauma and resilience. Honored as the Top Air Force Veteran of the Year by the International Association of Top Professionals (IAOTP), she has transformed her experiences in high-stakes conflict zones into a powerful narrative on mental health awareness and suicide prevention. As the first Black woman ever to take the TEDx Coatzacoalcos stage on Juneteenth 2021, Dr. Taylor passionately addresses the critical need for open conversations around mental wellness, empowering individuals to reclaim their stories and rise above adversity. With over 300,000 miles traveled across four countries, her insights into leadership and healing are both profound and transformative. Through her groundbreaking ventures—Go Core Mind Body Soul LLC and Corelicious LLC—Dr. Taylor equips corporate women and women veterans with resilience training and strategic guidance to unlock their core potential. Her mission is to inspire transformation and ignite greatness in every individual. Featured in major media outlets like ABC, FOX, NBC, and CBS, Dr. Taylor is a catalyst for change. Join her on an inspiring journey as she shares powerful insights on overcoming trauma and building resilience. Connect with her to explore how you can thrive! Links and Socials https://www.amazon.com/Rape-Silencer-Good-Girls-Until/dp/1979237417 https://www.amazon.com/Rape-Silencer-Work-Book-Companion/dp/197923762X YouTube channel Go Core Mind Body Soul TV Facebook https://www.facebook.com/valessaltaylor?mibextid=LQQJ4d LinkedIn http://linkedin.com/in/valessaltaylor-08571962 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/missvthecorelifecoach?igsh=cmhxbHkzemFoN3dl&utm_source=qr

Unleashing Strength: From Adversity to Empowerment with Dr. Valéssa L. Taylor   In this heartfelt and powerful episode, Elaine Lindsay interviews Dr. Valéssa L. Taylor, a highly decorated Air Force veteran and trauma breakthrough specialist. Dr. Taylor shares her journey of resilience and healing after losing her husband to suicide and overcoming personal trauma, including being a magnet for toxic relationships. She discusses her faith, the influence of her grandmother Helen Marie Winslow, and the healing process of turning pain into power through writing. Dr. Taylor authored books like 'Rape the Silencer: Good Girls Don't Tell' and empowers others to face their inner challenges and heal. The conversation highlights the importance of faith, the strength of women, and the courage to break the silence on issues like rape and mental health. Dr. Taylor emphasizes the need to forgive oneself and start a journey of healing, inspiring listeners with her story of fortitude and service.   00:00 Welcome and Guest Introduction 02:00 Dr. Valéssa L. Taylor's Story Begins 04:11 Facing Trauma and Finding Resilience 06:48 The Healing Journey and Writing 13:11 Faith and Family Influence 30:33 Empowerment and Final Thoughts 37:42 Introducing Dr. Valéssa L. Taylor 38:42 A Story of Resilience and Strength 39:59 Navigating Trauma and Healing 44:30 The Power of Faith and Community 19:58 Generational Strength and Legacy 25:39 Empowerment and Moving Forward 33:32 Final Thoughts and Farewell   BIO  Dr. Valéssa L. Taylor, an acclaimed Air Force veteran with over two decades of distinguished service, is a leading voice in trauma and resilience. Honored as the Top Air Force Veteran of the Year by the International Association of Top Professionals (IAOTP), she has transformed her experiences in high-stakes conflict zones into a powerful narrative on mental health awareness and suicide prevention. As the first Black woman ever to take the TEDx Coatzacoalcos stage on Juneteenth 2021, Dr. Taylor passionately addresses the critical need for open conversations around mental wellness, empowering individuals to reclaim their stories and rise above adversity. With over 300,000 miles traveled across four countries, her insights into leadership and healing are both profound and transformative. Through her groundbreaking ventures—Go Core Mind Body Soul LLC and Corelicious LLC—Dr. Taylor equips corporate women and women veterans with resilience training and strategic guidance to unlock their core potential. Her mission is to inspire transformation and ignite greatness in every individual. Featured in major media outlets like ABC, FOX, NBC, and CBS, Dr. Taylor is a catalyst for change. Join her on an inspiring journey as she shares powerful insights on overcoming trauma and building resilience. Connect with her to explore how you can thrive! Links and Socials https://www.amazon.com/Rape-Silencer-Good-Girls-Until/dp/1979237417 https://www.amazon.com/Rape-Silencer-Work-Book-Companion/dp/197923762X YouTube channel Go Core Mind Body Soul TV Facebook https://www.facebook.com/valessaltaylor?mibextid=LQQJ4d LinkedIn http://linkedin.com/in/valessaltaylor-08571962 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/missvthecorelifecoach?igsh=cmhxbHkzemFoN3dl&utm_source=qr

Errol Doebler: Healing from Traumatic Brain Injury and Finding Hope In this episode of Suicide Zen Forgiveness, host Elaine Lindsay talks with Errol Doebler, a former Navy SEAL and FBI agent who shares his incredible journey of overcoming traumatic brain injuries using cold exposure and intranasal insulin treatments. Errol discusses the emotional and cognitive struggles he faced after being injured and how he developed a leadership process that ultimately saved his life. He emphasizes the power of understanding and acknowledging one's emotions as a key to behavioral change and personal growth. This poignant conversation offers hope and actionable insights for those grappling with mental health challenges, depression, or suicide loss. Tune in to learn more about Errol's story, his leadership practices, and how you can implement small daily changes to improve your well-being.   00:00 Introduction to Suicide Zen Forgiveness 01:16 Meet the Ice Cold Leader: Errol Doebler 02:22 Errol's Journey: From Navy SEAL to Leadership Consultant 04:43 The Impact of Traumatic Brain Injury 07:21 Discovering a Life-Changing Treatment 11:16 The Power of Cold Exposure and Meditation 21:31 A New Mission: Advocating for Intranasal Insulin 22:41 The Power of Intranasal Insulin 23:14 Leadership from the Inside Out 24:18 Rewiring the Brain: A Personal Journey 25:16 The Process of Behavioral Change 29:18 The Mind's Power and Placebo Effect 31:41 The Ice Bath Experience 34:26 Daily Practices for Mental Health 38:03 Emotional Awareness and Its Impact 41:24 Conclusion and Final Thoughts Bio Errol Doebler is the creator and author of Ice Cold Leader, Leading from the Inside Out. He teaches leadership and emotional intelligence tools to business leaders around the world. Errol developed this methodology through his experience as a United States Naval Officer, where he served as a Surface Warfare Officer and Navy SEAL, and through his years of working with the FBI where he was awarded the FBI's second highest award The Shield of Bravery. Errol is one of the few people in the world who has had the distinction of serving as a Surface Warfare Officer, SEAL and as an FBI Special Agent and FBI SWAT Operator.   Site and Social links: Website: https://icecoldleader.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/errol-doebler/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the_ice_cold_leader/?hl=en Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@icecoldleader

Errol Doebler: Healing from Traumatic Brain Injury and Finding Hope In this episode of Suicide Zen Forgiveness, host Elaine Lindsay talks with Errol Doebler, a former Navy SEAL and FBI agent who shares his incredible journey of overcoming traumatic brain injuries using cold exposure and intranasal insulin treatments. Errol discusses the emotional and cognitive struggles he faced after being injured and how he developed a leadership process that ultimately saved his life. He emphasizes the power of understanding and acknowledging one's emotions as a key to behavioral change and personal growth. This poignant conversation offers hope and actionable insights for those grappling with mental health challenges, depression, or suicide loss. Tune in to learn more about Errol's story, his leadership practices, and how you can implement small daily changes to improve your well-being.   00:00 Introduction to Suicide Zen Forgiveness 01:16 Meet the Ice Cold Leader: Errol Doebler 02:22 Errol's Journey: From Navy SEAL to Leadership Consultant 04:43 The Impact of Traumatic Brain Injury 07:21 Discovering a Life-Changing Treatment 11:16 The Power of Cold Exposure and Meditation 21:31 A New Mission: Advocating for Intranasal Insulin 22:41 The Power of Intranasal Insulin 23:14 Leadership from the Inside Out 24:18 Rewiring the Brain: A Personal Journey 25:16 The Process of Behavioral Change 29:18 The Mind's Power and Placebo Effect 31:41 The Ice Bath Experience 34:26 Daily Practices for Mental Health 38:03 Emotional Awareness and Its Impact 41:24 Conclusion and Final Thoughts Bio Errol Doebler is the creator and author of Ice Cold Leader, Leading from the Inside Out. He teaches leadership and emotional intelligence tools to business leaders around the world. Errol developed this methodology through his experience as a United States Naval Officer, where he served as a Surface Warfare Officer and Navy SEAL, and through his years of working with the FBI where he was awarded the FBI's second highest award The Shield of Bravery. Errol is one of the few people in the world who has had the distinction of serving as a Surface Warfare Officer, SEAL and as an FBI Special Agent and FBI SWAT Operator.   Site and Social links: Website: https://icecoldleader.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/errol-doebler/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the_ice_cold_leader/?hl=en Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@icecoldleader

Breaking the Silence on Suicide and Mental Health with Mike Stenger In this episode of 'Suicide Zen Forgiveness,' host Elaine Lindsay engages in a profound conversation with guest Mike Stenger about his journey from suicidal ideation as a teen in Ohio to becoming a successful marketer in San Diego. The discussion highlights the importance of ending the silence, stigma, and shame surrounding suicide and mental health issues. Mike shares his personal story, emphasizing the critical role of open communication and empathy. The episode also explores the impact of social media, the challenges of depression, and the necessity of kindness and empathy in everyday interactions.   00:00 Mission and Introduction 01:16 Meet Mike Stenger 02:07 Elaine's Google Plus Story 07:34 Mike's Struggles and Turning Point 16:21 Moving to San Diego 18:19 Dealing with Depression 21:16 The Impact of Social Media 28:57 The Dark Side of Social Media 32:08 The Importance of Empathy 35:57 Teaching Empathy in Schools 40:20 The Power of Listening 45:10 Spreading Kindness 49:07 Final Thoughts and Farewell BIO From suicidal teen living in the boonies of Ohio to a successful direct response marketer living in sunny San Diego, when Mike's not cranking out converting copy for his clients, you can find him out and about walking his husky Zoey or living the dad life. I met Mike in the early days of Google+ and we have remained friends these past thirteen years.   Social and Link LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/mikestenger   Website:  mikestenger.com     

Breaking the Silence on Suicide and Mental Health with Mike Stenger In this episode of 'Suicide Zen Forgiveness,' host Elaine Lindsay engages in a profound conversation with guest Mike Stenger about his journey from suicidal ideation as a teen in Ohio to becoming a successful marketer in San Diego. The discussion highlights the importance of ending the silence, stigma, and shame surrounding suicide and mental health issues. Mike shares his personal story, emphasizing the critical role of open communication and empathy. The episode also explores the impact of social media, the challenges of depression, and the necessity of kindness and empathy in everyday interactions.   00:00 Mission and Introduction 01:16 Meet Mike Stenger 02:07 Elaine's Google Plus Story 07:34 Mike's Struggles and Turning Point 16:21 Moving to San Diego 18:19 Dealing with Depression 21:16 The Impact of Social Media 28:57 The Dark Side of Social Media 32:08 The Importance of Empathy 35:57 Teaching Empathy in Schools 40:20 The Power of Listening 45:10 Spreading Kindness 49:07 Final Thoughts and Farewell BIO From suicidal teen living in the boonies of Ohio to a successful direct response marketer living in sunny San Diego, when Mike's not cranking out converting copy for his clients, you can find him out and about walking his husky Zoey or living the dad life. I met Mike in the early days of Google+ and we have remained friends these past thirteen years.   Social and Link LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/mikestenger   Website:  mikestenger.com     

Show Notes Autism Advocacy and Personal Stories: A Conversation with Sam Mitchell   In this episode of 'Suicide Zen Forgiveness,' host Elaine Lindsay interviews Sam Mitchell, an international motivational speaker, entrepreneur, and host of the popular podcast 'Autism Rocks and Rolls.' The episode looks into Sam's experiences as an individual on the autism spectrum, highlighting his achievements and raising awareness about neurodiversity. They discuss breaking societal stigmas and the importance of empathy and understanding, while also exploring Sam's personal journey, accomplishments, and future goals. The podcast aims to inspire and educate listeners on issues related to mental health and autism, offering hope and resilience.   00:00 Introduction and Mission Statement 00:54 Meet Sam Mitchell: A Multifaceted Entrepreneur 02:03 Sam's Podcast Success and Notable Guests 05:46 Understanding Neurodiversity and Empathy 08:27 Sam's Personal Insights and Strengths 17:23 The Importance of Individuality and Fun 18:17 Sam's Personal Life and Relationships 20:58 Future Goals and Aspirations for the Podcast 22:23 Discovering Hidden Talents 23:22 The Art of Broadcasting 24:03 A Journey in Radio 24:54 Favorite Country Singers 25:38 Exploring Music Preferences 27:51 Scottish Traditions and Bagpipes 28:51 Wrestling Legends 30:38 Understanding the Autism Spectrum 32:28 Breaking Stereotypes 38:24 Final Thoughts and Farewell   Bio: Hello! My name is Sam Mitchell and I run a successful podcast called Autism Rocks and Rolls. I have autism myself and my podcast has exploded and become very successful! I would like to be a guest on your podcast to spread the mission of my podcast and nonprofit.   I am at 18.3K downloads. I have had some big names on my show: Armani Williams, first NASCAR driver open about having autism, and American Idol Rocker James Durbin who has autism and Tourette's. My biggest guest of all was Dr. Temple Grandin, professor in Animal Science at Colorado State University and autism activist. I had WWE legend Mick Foley on my show! Huge guests are upcoming as well!   I also am a motivational speaker, entrepreneur, sell merchandise, have several sponsors, sell ad space, am writer and blogger, and love to promote my podcast and business. I also have a published TED Talk called Souled Structure.    My official Website is autismrocksandrolls.com.   I am a high-functioning human being on the autism spectrum, but have a mission: to show people that I am not broken, do not need to be fixed, there is no normal in this world, and I am successful, with autism. I want to celebrate the successes of all people. I embrace who I am and feel as though everyone should do the same. My mission is powerful and this extraordinary idea is catching on and getting the world's attention.   I have made it to the top 10 in the People's Choice Podcast Awards, placed second in the state of Indiana for the JAG Entrepreneurship project, was selected as the best business at the CEO trade show in Indiana, have had tremendous guests on my show, and am in the top 200 podcasts in all of Canada while also being a current Davey Award winner. Corporation President of Autism Rocks and Rolls info@autismrocksandrolls.com www.autismrocksandrolls.com 812-699-7811 "Humankind, do both"  

Show Notes Autism Advocacy and Personal Stories: A Conversation with Sam Mitchell   In this episode of 'Suicide Zen Forgiveness,' host Elaine Lindsay interviews Sam Mitchell, an international motivational speaker, entrepreneur, and host of the popular podcast 'Autism Rocks and Rolls.' The episode looks into Sam's experiences as an individual on the autism spectrum, highlighting his achievements and raising awareness about neurodiversity. They discuss breaking societal stigmas and the importance of empathy and understanding, while also exploring Sam's personal journey, accomplishments, and future goals. The podcast aims to inspire and educate listeners on issues related to mental health and autism, offering hope and resilience.   00:00 Introduction and Mission Statement 00:54 Meet Sam Mitchell: A Multifaceted Entrepreneur 02:03 Sam's Podcast Success and Notable Guests 05:46 Understanding Neurodiversity and Empathy 08:27 Sam's Personal Insights and Strengths 17:23 The Importance of Individuality and Fun 18:17 Sam's Personal Life and Relationships 20:58 Future Goals and Aspirations for the Podcast 22:23 Discovering Hidden Talents 23:22 The Art of Broadcasting 24:03 A Journey in Radio 24:54 Favorite Country Singers 25:38 Exploring Music Preferences 27:51 Scottish Traditions and Bagpipes 28:51 Wrestling Legends 30:38 Understanding the Autism Spectrum 32:28 Breaking Stereotypes 38:24 Final Thoughts and Farewell   Bio: Hello! My name is Sam Mitchell and I run a successful podcast called Autism Rocks and Rolls. I have autism myself and my podcast has exploded and become very successful! I would like to be a guest on your podcast to spread the mission of my podcast and nonprofit.   I am at 18.3K downloads. I have had some big names on my show: Armani Williams, first NASCAR driver open about having autism, and American Idol Rocker James Durbin who has autism and Tourette's. My biggest guest of all was Dr. Temple Grandin, professor in Animal Science at Colorado State University and autism activist. I had WWE legend Mick Foley on my show! Huge guests are upcoming as well!   I also am a motivational speaker, entrepreneur, sell merchandise, have several sponsors, sell ad space, am writer and blogger, and love to promote my podcast and business. I also have a published TED Talk called Souled Structure.    My official Website is autismrocksandrolls.com.   I am a high-functioning human being on the autism spectrum, but have a mission: to show people that I am not broken, do not need to be fixed, there is no normal in this world, and I am successful, with autism. I want to celebrate the successes of all people. I embrace who I am and feel as though everyone should do the same. My mission is powerful and this extraordinary idea is catching on and getting the world's attention.   I have made it to the top 10 in the People's Choice Podcast Awards, placed second in the state of Indiana for the JAG Entrepreneurship project, was selected as the best business at the CEO trade show in Indiana, have had tremendous guests on my show, and am in the top 200 podcasts in all of Canada while also being a current Davey Award winner. Corporation President of Autism Rocks and Rolls info@autismrocksandrolls.com www.autismrocksandrolls.com 812-699-7811 "Humankind, do both"  

Unmasking the Pain: A Journey of Trauma and Healing with Barbara Hayward   In this powerful episode of Suicide Zen Forgiveness, host Elaine Lindsay welcomes Barbara Hayward, a medium clairvoyant and spiritual advisor, to share her deeply personal journey of trauma, loss, and healing. From enduring childhood molestation and a traumatic teen pregnancy involving forced adoption, to battling addiction and mental health issues, Barbara recounts how she navigated profound pain and emerged as a remarkable figure in spiritual coaching. Despite facing immense hardships, including severe psychiatric struggles and suicide attempts, Barbara has transformed her experiences into a source of empathy and compassion in her work. The conversation highlights the generational impact of trauma and the healing process, her rediscovery and reunion with her biological son after decades, and the enduring strength that comes from sharing one's story. This episode serves as an inspiring testament to resilience and the human spirit's capacity for forgiveness and connection.   00:00 Mission to End the Silence 00:50 Meet the Guest: Barbara Hayward 01:51 Barbara's Journey Begins 04:18 A Troubled Childhood 07:44 Teenage Struggles and Early Pregnancy 10:52 Facing Family and Societal Pressures 13:44 The Aftermath and Moving Forward 22:54 A Mother's Struggle and Words of Advice 23:34 The Breakdown of a Marriage 23:51 Turning to Alcohol and Meeting Dennis 24:07 Revealing the Truth to the Children 26:07 The Psychiatric Journey 27:32 A New Life in New Zealand 27:54 The Search for Brett Charles 33:47 Reconnecting with a Lost Son 36:20 The Impact of Forced Adoptions 37:50 Reflections and Closing Thoughts 43:59 Outro and Acknowledgements   BIO At around the age of 30 years old, Barbara found herself a single mother with 2 young boys after  her marriage had disintegrated. A marriage that right from the beginning was never destined to  succeed.  Barbara's early life was one of polar opposites. There was laughter, fun and a great love of  school, years of enjoying been a Marching girl winning lots of medals. Sexual molestation at a  very early age, rape at 12 and having a baby taken away from her at birth due to forced adoption  at 16. This event broke Barbara from which she has never fully recovered.  Eventually marrying the father of her baby at 20 years old, they had 2 more sons. When her  marriage failed when she as 30, she was left to raise 2 quite young sons on her own.  Around this time she met a lady Crystal, who was instrumental in helping Barbara enter a world  that she did not even know existed,… The Spiritual world. After 8 years of training with Crystal,  her Spiritual journey began. Barbara had by now met a man who was to be her life partner.  Barbara, Denis and her 2 sons found themselves living in New Zealand, far away from  Melbourne, Australia.  Barbara's Spiritual journey embraces her own radio program for 3 years as a clairvoyant,  workshops, Seminars, Psychic Fairs, quest speaking at Churches and much, much more.  Barbara and Denis have moved between Australia and New Zealand many times until one day  while celebrating her 60th birthday, she received news that her son who was taken was trying to  locate her after 43 years  Barbara, now at 71 years old, has begun a new career. Having a very successful Facebook page  as well as an up and coming YouTube channel. The Old Girls Spiritual Stuff. Socials FB facebook.com/theoldgirlsspiritualstuff YT https://www.youtube.com/@BarbaraHayward-1953

Unmasking the Pain: A Journey of Trauma and Healing with Barbara Hayward   In this powerful episode of Suicide Zen Forgiveness, host Elaine Lindsay welcomes Barbara Hayward, a medium clairvoyant and spiritual advisor, to share her deeply personal journey of trauma, loss, and healing. From enduring childhood molestation and a traumatic teen pregnancy involving forced adoption, to battling addiction and mental health issues, Barbara recounts how she navigated profound pain and emerged as a remarkable figure in spiritual coaching. Despite facing immense hardships, including severe psychiatric struggles and suicide attempts, Barbara has transformed her experiences into a source of empathy and compassion in her work. The conversation highlights the generational impact of trauma and the healing process, her rediscovery and reunion with her biological son after decades, and the enduring strength that comes from sharing one's story. This episode serves as an inspiring testament to resilience and the human spirit's capacity for forgiveness and connection.   00:00 Mission to End the Silence 00:50 Meet the Guest: Barbara Hayward 01:51 Barbara's Journey Begins 04:18 A Troubled Childhood 07:44 Teenage Struggles and Early Pregnancy 10:52 Facing Family and Societal Pressures 13:44 The Aftermath and Moving Forward 22:54 A Mother's Struggle and Words of Advice 23:34 The Breakdown of a Marriage 23:51 Turning to Alcohol and Meeting Dennis 24:07 Revealing the Truth to the Children 26:07 The Psychiatric Journey 27:32 A New Life in New Zealand 27:54 The Search for Brett Charles 33:47 Reconnecting with a Lost Son 36:20 The Impact of Forced Adoptions 37:50 Reflections and Closing Thoughts 43:59 Outro and Acknowledgements   BIO At around the age of 30 years old, Barbara found herself a single mother with 2 young boys after  her marriage had disintegrated. A marriage that right from the beginning was never destined to  succeed.  Barbara's early life was one of polar opposites. There was laughter, fun and a great love of  school, years of enjoying been a Marching girl winning lots of medals. Sexual molestation at a  very early age, rape at 12 and having a baby taken away from her at birth due to forced adoption  at 16. This event broke Barbara from which she has never fully recovered.  Eventually marrying the father of her baby at 20 years old, they had 2 more sons. When her  marriage failed when she as 30, she was left to raise 2 quite young sons on her own.  Around this time she met a lady Crystal, who was instrumental in helping Barbara enter a world  that she did not even know existed,… The Spiritual world. After 8 years of training with Crystal,  her Spiritual journey began. Barbara had by now met a man who was to be her life partner.  Barbara, Denis and her 2 sons found themselves living in New Zealand, far away from  Melbourne, Australia.  Barbara's Spiritual journey embraces her own radio program for 3 years as a clairvoyant,  workshops, Seminars, Psychic Fairs, quest speaking at Churches and much, much more.  Barbara and Denis have moved between Australia and New Zealand many times until one day  while celebrating her 60th birthday, she received news that her son who was taken was trying to  locate her after 43 years  Barbara, now at 71 years old, has begun a new career. Having a very successful Facebook page  as well as an up and coming YouTube channel. The Old Girls Spiritual Stuff. Socials FB facebook.com/theoldgirlsspiritualstuff YT https://www.youtube.com/@BarbaraHayward-1953

Healing Through Pain: Tony Lynch's Journey from Tragedy to Triumph   In this episode of Suicide Zen Forgiveness, host Elaine Lindsay chats with Tony Lynch, a men's grief coach, author, and podcaster. Tony shares his powerful life story of overcoming immense pain, including childhood trauma, gang involvement, incarceration, and heartbreaking family losses. Despite experiencing homelessness and planning his own suicide, Tony found his purpose in helping others through their grief and loss. They discuss the importance of empathy, the challenges men face in grieving openly, and the creation of Tony's nonprofit 'Memories of Us'. This episode is a testament to resilience, transformation, and the human spirit's capacity for healing.   00:00 Introduction and Mission Statement 01:17 Meet Tony Lynch: A Journey of Resilience 02:48 The Taboo of Grief in Society 05:08 Personal Stories of Loss and Empathy 13:44 Tony's Early Life and Struggles 16:54 Turning Points and Life Lessons 25:41 Confronting Loss and Grief 26:53 A Journey of Healing Begins 28:11 Finding Support and Realizations 29:07 Creating a Safe Space for Men 29:40 Building a Nonprofit Amid Challenges 31:39 Embracing Social Media and Podcasting 33:07 Personal Healing and Transformation 38:51 Reflecting on the Journey 44:35 Connecting with the Audience 47:19 Closing Remarks and Gratitude   BIO I'm Tony Lynch, host of the Grief…Let's Talk About It podcast and founder of Memories of Us Ltd., which is a global grief network that offers grief support for men. My journey started on Halloween of 2015 when my son overdosed due to some miscalculations by his pharmacist when she mixed his medication wrong. What should've been a normal Saturday turned out to be a nightmare.  small #personaltraining #buisinessowner recently  started a #nonprofit... #MEMORIES OF US we offer resources and support to #men who have lost loved ones we support each other as we navigate the world of #grief and the many stages... #MEMORIES OF US have partnered with other great #nonprofitorganizatons that specialize in #mens/womensmentalhealth/#veteranspeersupport/ #recovery as well as #supportgroups for those that have been affected by #suicide Socials Website: Memories2.org Instagram: Memories4.us Linkedin: Tony lynch Facebook: Memories of us…grief support for men Youtube: Memories of us podcast Other: Memoriesofuspodcast.transistor.fm Which is our podcast where you can hear stories of men that have gone through their own trauma and found their strength    

Healing Through Pain: Tony Lynch's Journey from Tragedy to Triumph   In this episode of Suicide Zen Forgiveness, host Elaine Lindsay chats with Tony Lynch, a men's grief coach, author, and podcaster. Tony shares his powerful life story of overcoming immense pain, including childhood trauma, gang involvement, incarceration, and heartbreaking family losses. Despite experiencing homelessness and planning his own suicide, Tony found his purpose in helping others through their grief and loss. They discuss the importance of empathy, the challenges men face in grieving openly, and the creation of Tony's nonprofit 'Memories of Us'. This episode is a testament to resilience, transformation, and the human spirit's capacity for healing.   00:00 Introduction and Mission Statement 01:17 Meet Tony Lynch: A Journey of Resilience 02:48 The Taboo of Grief in Society 05:08 Personal Stories of Loss and Empathy 13:44 Tony's Early Life and Struggles 16:54 Turning Points and Life Lessons 25:41 Confronting Loss and Grief 26:53 A Journey of Healing Begins 28:11 Finding Support and Realizations 29:07 Creating a Safe Space for Men 29:40 Building a Nonprofit Amid Challenges 31:39 Embracing Social Media and Podcasting 33:07 Personal Healing and Transformation 38:51 Reflecting on the Journey 44:35 Connecting with the Audience 47:19 Closing Remarks and Gratitude   BIO I'm Tony Lynch, host of the Grief…Let's Talk About It podcast and founder of Memories of Us Ltd., which is a global grief network that offers grief support for men. My journey started on Halloween of 2015 when my son overdosed due to some miscalculations by his pharmacist when she mixed his medication wrong. What should've been a normal Saturday turned out to be a nightmare.  small #personaltraining #buisinessowner recently  started a #nonprofit... #MEMORIES OF US we offer resources and support to #men who have lost loved ones we support each other as we navigate the world of #grief and the many stages... #MEMORIES OF US have partnered with other great #nonprofitorganizatons that specialize in #mens/womensmentalhealth/#veteranspeersupport/ #recovery as well as #supportgroups for those that have been affected by #suicide Socials Website: Memories2.org Instagram: Memories4.us Linkedin: Tony lynch Facebook: Memories of us…grief support for men Youtube: Memories of us podcast Other: Memoriesofuspodcast.transistor.fm Which is our podcast where you can hear stories of men that have gone through their own trauma and found their strength    

Breaking the Silence: Sonya Shorey on Mental Health, Suicide, and Empathy   In this episode of Suicide Zen Forgiveness, host Elaine Lindsay interviews Sonya Shorey, President and CEO of Invest Ottawa, Bayview Yards, and Area XO. Shorey shares her deeply personal journey with mental health, suicide, and the importance of open, empathetic conversations. They discuss the critical roles of psychiatric care, the impact of hidden family struggles, and the need for greater societal support and research in mental health. Shorey also emphasizes the power of individual actions and the importance of fostering a culture of empathy and openness.   00:00 Introduction and Mission Statement 00:43 Guest Introduction: Sonya Shorey 02:25 Sonya's Professional Background 04:03 Personal Connection to Mental Health 05:37 Family History and Mental Health 09:14 Generational Impact and Stigma 10:34 The Importance of Open Conversations 16:06 Honoring Loved Ones and Breaking Patterns 28:03 Memory Wall Initiative 29:48 Supporting Entrepreneurs and Founders 30:40 Inclusivity and Community Efforts 32:46 Mental Health in Entrepreneurship 33:57 Empathy Training for First Responders 37:09 The Importance of Emotional Education 38:21 Personal Stories and Impact 46:07 The Power of Small Actions 49:51 Final Thoughts and Call to Action 51:31 Closing Remarks and Acknowledgements 52:25 Sponsor Messages and Farewell   BIO Sonya Shorey, President and CEO, for Invest Ottawa, Bayview Yards, and Area X.O, is a strategy executive and management consultant with more than 22 years of leadership experience with private and public organizations. With expertise in regional, national, and global technology, entrepreneurial, economic development, and innovation-based organizations, she specializes in corporate and communications strategy development and execution. This includes investment strategies that secure new cash and in-kind contributions from public and private sources. Since 2005, Sonya has led, strategized, authored and/or made a significant contribution to successful multi-year funding proposals and initiatives valued at more than $203 million from municipal, provincial, federal, and international governments.     Within her executive leadership role with Invest Ottawa, Bayview Yards and Area X.O, Sonya plays a pivotal role in developing, leading, and executing strategy for all three organizations. This includes:   Area X.O, the futureplex of innovation and collaboration for next-generation smart mobility, connectivity and autonomy technologies;  The Women Founders and Owners Strategy and Action Plan. This includes co-founding SheBoot, the investment-ready bootcamp for women tech founders designed and delivered by women entrepreneurs and investors, and founding International Women's Week in Canada's Capital; and International Women's Week. The first Pan-Ontario Scale-Up Platform of its kind aimed at enabling and accelerating the growth, scaleup and commercial success of more $100 million revenue-generating tech companies in Canada. Social  https://www.linkedin.com/in/sonyashorey/  

Breaking the Silence: Sonya Shorey on Mental Health, Suicide, and Empathy   In this episode of Suicide Zen Forgiveness, host Elaine Lindsay interviews Sonya Shorey, President and CEO of Invest Ottawa, Bayview Yards, and Area XO. Shorey shares her deeply personal journey with mental health, suicide, and the importance of open, empathetic conversations. They discuss the critical roles of psychiatric care, the impact of hidden family struggles, and the need for greater societal support and research in mental health. Shorey also emphasizes the power of individual actions and the importance of fostering a culture of empathy and openness.   00:00 Introduction and Mission Statement 00:43 Guest Introduction: Sonya Shorey 02:25 Sonya's Professional Background 04:03 Personal Connection to Mental Health 05:37 Family History and Mental Health 09:14 Generational Impact and Stigma 10:34 The Importance of Open Conversations 16:06 Honoring Loved Ones and Breaking Patterns 28:03 Memory Wall Initiative 29:48 Supporting Entrepreneurs and Founders 30:40 Inclusivity and Community Efforts 32:46 Mental Health in Entrepreneurship 33:57 Empathy Training for First Responders 37:09 The Importance of Emotional Education 38:21 Personal Stories and Impact 46:07 The Power of Small Actions 49:51 Final Thoughts and Call to Action 51:31 Closing Remarks and Acknowledgements 52:25 Sponsor Messages and Farewell   BIO Sonya Shorey, President and CEO, for Invest Ottawa, Bayview Yards, and Area X.O, is a strategy executive and management consultant with more than 22 years of leadership experience with private and public organizations. With expertise in regional, national, and global technology, entrepreneurial, economic development, and innovation-based organizations, she specializes in corporate and communications strategy development and execution. This includes investment strategies that secure new cash and in-kind contributions from public and private sources. Since 2005, Sonya has led, strategized, authored and/or made a significant contribution to successful multi-year funding proposals and initiatives valued at more than $203 million from municipal, provincial, federal, and international governments.     Within her executive leadership role with Invest Ottawa, Bayview Yards and Area X.O, Sonya plays a pivotal role in developing, leading, and executing strategy for all three organizations. This includes:   Area X.O, the futureplex of innovation and collaboration for next-generation smart mobility, connectivity and autonomy technologies;  The Women Founders and Owners Strategy and Action Plan. This includes co-founding SheBoot, the investment-ready bootcamp for women tech founders designed and delivered by women entrepreneurs and investors, and founding International Women's Week in Canada's Capital; and International Women's Week. The first Pan-Ontario Scale-Up Platform of its kind aimed at enabling and accelerating the growth, scaleup and commercial success of more $100 million revenue-generating tech companies in Canada. Social  https://www.linkedin.com/in/sonyashorey/  

Unveiling Stoicism: Jody Betty's Journey Through Trauma and Healing   In this episode, Elaine Lindsay welcomes back Jody Betty to discuss her new interest in Stoicism and its impact on her life and healing journey. Jody opens up about her childhood experiences with abuse and trauma, explaining how she felt stuck even after extensive therapy. Inspired by Stoic philosophy, she began exploring inner child work, learning to reparent herself and confront her past. Jody shares insights on the practical applications of Stoicism, such as taking pauses before reacting and focusing on what is within one's control. The episode also highlights Jody's work in creating supportive spaces for other trauma survivors, emphasizing the importance of enjoying the healing process and finding joy in daily life. Elaine and Jody reflect on the significance of perspective shifts, active listening, and self-validation in providing emotional well-being.   00:00 Introduction to Suicide Zen Forgiveness 00:50 Meet Jody Betty: A Journey of Resilience 01:27 Exploring Stoicism and Personal Growth 02:48 Inner Child Work and Healing 05:30 Jody's Story: Overcoming Childhood Trauma 09:38 The Power of Sharing and Empathy 12:45 Applying Stoicism in Daily Life 23:46 Embracing Change and Overcoming Fear 26:57 The Art of Active Listening 28:38 Embracing the Present Moment 30:33 Finding Joy in Little Moments 33:46 The Beauty of Photography 43:03 The Journey to Stoicism 45:40 Conclusion and Gratitude   BIO Jody Betty is an author, acclaimed blogger and photographer.  Jody is a three time suicide survivor, and endured multiple sexual traumas from infancy to age 14. She spent many years with unhealthy and destructive coping skills. Jody eventually chose the path of healing, and now shares her stories online to help others understand they are not alone in their thoughts and feelings.  Jody's viral blog, “I Want You to Want to Live”, written in 2016, has reached over two million people worldwide, and is translated into a number of different languages. Jody left her email in the blog, and to date, has received over 4000 incoming messages. She has replied to every single one. In her free time, Jody passionately advocates and helps people dealing with suicidal crisis', and mental health issues. She loves to spend time in nature and by water, as that is where she finds her peace. Jody resides in Niagara Falls, Ontario.   Jody Betty   Mentalhealthrawandopen.Podbean.com  

Unveiling Stoicism: Jody Betty's Journey Through Trauma and Healing   In this episode, Elaine Lindsay welcomes back Jody Betty to discuss her new interest in Stoicism and its impact on her life and healing journey. Jody opens up about her childhood experiences with abuse and trauma, explaining how she felt stuck even after extensive therapy. Inspired by Stoic philosophy, she began exploring inner child work, learning to reparent herself and confront her past. Jody shares insights on the practical applications of Stoicism, such as taking pauses before reacting and focusing on what is within one's control. The episode also highlights Jody's work in creating supportive spaces for other trauma survivors, emphasizing the importance of enjoying the healing process and finding joy in daily life. Elaine and Jody reflect on the significance of perspective shifts, active listening, and self-validation in providing emotional well-being.   00:00 Introduction to Suicide Zen Forgiveness 00:50 Meet Jody Betty: A Journey of Resilience 01:27 Exploring Stoicism and Personal Growth 02:48 Inner Child Work and Healing 05:30 Jody's Story: Overcoming Childhood Trauma 09:38 The Power of Sharing and Empathy 12:45 Applying Stoicism in Daily Life 23:46 Embracing Change and Overcoming Fear 26:57 The Art of Active Listening 28:38 Embracing the Present Moment 30:33 Finding Joy in Little Moments 33:46 The Beauty of Photography 43:03 The Journey to Stoicism 45:40 Conclusion and Gratitude   BIO Jody Betty is an author, acclaimed blogger and photographer.  Jody is a three time suicide survivor, and endured multiple sexual traumas from infancy to age 14. She spent many years with unhealthy and destructive coping skills. Jody eventually chose the path of healing, and now shares her stories online to help others understand they are not alone in their thoughts and feelings.  Jody's viral blog, “I Want You to Want to Live”, written in 2016, has reached over two million people worldwide, and is translated into a number of different languages. Jody left her email in the blog, and to date, has received over 4000 incoming messages. She has replied to every single one. In her free time, Jody passionately advocates and helps people dealing with suicidal crisis', and mental health issues. She loves to spend time in nature and by water, as that is where she finds her peace. Jody resides in Niagara Falls, Ontario.   Jody Betty   Mentalhealthrawandopen.Podbean.com  

Unlocking Healing Through Energy Work: Interview with Curtis Knuth In this episode of Suicide Zen Forgiveness, host Elaine Lindsay introduces Curtis Knuth, an energy worker who shares his transformative journey from a challenging period of life to discovering energy healing modalities. Curtis discusses his unique approach to emotional release and how it has helped many people find relief from emotional and physical pain. He offers insights into the power of gratitude, the mind's capabilities, and the importance of raising one's vibrational frequency. Curtis also shares touching stories of client transformations, emphasizing the importance of kindness, compassion, and self-belief. Elaine and Curtis highlight the potential for healing through energy work and encourage listeners experiencing mental health challenges to seek help.   00:00 Introduction to Suicide Zen Forgiveness 01:17 Meet Curtis Knuth: From Carpenter to Energy Worker 02:37 Curtis's Journey Through Hardships 04:26 The Turning Point: Embracing Gratitude 09:14 Diving into Energy Work and Healing 11:00 Integrating Spirituality and Family 19:20 The Power of Kindness and Positive Ripples 28:56 Emotional Release and Healing Modalities 39:44 Skydiving Memories and Emotional Reactions 40:42 Exploring Traumatic Experiences 41:19 Helping Others Release Emotions 43:23 Skepticism and Success Stories 46:38 The Power of Emotional Release 54:15 Raising Vibrations and Positive Energy 56:47 Encouragement and Final Thoughts 01:04:50 Conclusion and Contact Information   BIO I Am a Carpenter by trade who has stepped into the field of Energy work, the past 6 years I have been studying and taking courses along the lines of Energy modalities which has opened me up to creating an energy style called ERP that can quickly and easily assist one in releasing unwanted emotions!   What Curtis does  In this 45 minute session we will release unwanted emotions using an energetic healing style where emotions are identified one by one through a quick screening process. We then connect to your auric field and transform the energy through a reduction process, which results in relief from physical, mental, and emotional imbalances. Clients do not need to share their personal experiences through talk therapy, as we are directly addressing it from an energetic level. The stories we continue to affirm are what is keeping the physiological, mental, and emotional effects in our lives. By detaching from them we free ourselves from the energetic imprint that continues to recreate disharmony in our lives. Like the layers of an onion, letting go of one emotion always reveals the next one. Clients release an average of 6-8 emotions during each session. Website: vitasana.vip 

Unlocking Healing Through Energy Work: Interview with Curtis Knuth In this episode of Suicide Zen Forgiveness, host Elaine Lindsay introduces Curtis Knuth, an energy worker who shares his transformative journey from a challenging period of life to discovering energy healing modalities. Curtis discusses his unique approach to emotional release and how it has helped many people find relief from emotional and physical pain. He offers insights into the power of gratitude, the mind's capabilities, and the importance of raising one's vibrational frequency. Curtis also shares touching stories of client transformations, emphasizing the importance of kindness, compassion, and self-belief. Elaine and Curtis highlight the potential for healing through energy work and encourage listeners experiencing mental health challenges to seek help.   00:00 Introduction to Suicide Zen Forgiveness 01:17 Meet Curtis Knuth: From Carpenter to Energy Worker 02:37 Curtis's Journey Through Hardships 04:26 The Turning Point: Embracing Gratitude 09:14 Diving into Energy Work and Healing 11:00 Integrating Spirituality and Family 19:20 The Power of Kindness and Positive Ripples 28:56 Emotional Release and Healing Modalities 39:44 Skydiving Memories and Emotional Reactions 40:42 Exploring Traumatic Experiences 41:19 Helping Others Release Emotions 43:23 Skepticism and Success Stories 46:38 The Power of Emotional Release 54:15 Raising Vibrations and Positive Energy 56:47 Encouragement and Final Thoughts 01:04:50 Conclusion and Contact Information   BIO I Am a Carpenter by trade who has stepped into the field of Energy work, the past 6 years I have been studying and taking courses along the lines of Energy modalities which has opened me up to creating an energy style called ERP that can quickly and easily assist one in releasing unwanted emotions!   What Curtis does  In this 45 minute session we will release unwanted emotions using an energetic healing style where emotions are identified one by one through a quick screening process. We then connect to your auric field and transform the energy through a reduction process, which results in relief from physical, mental, and emotional imbalances. Clients do not need to share their personal experiences through talk therapy, as we are directly addressing it from an energetic level. The stories we continue to affirm are what is keeping the physiological, mental, and emotional effects in our lives. By detaching from them we free ourselves from the energetic imprint that continues to recreate disharmony in our lives. Like the layers of an onion, letting go of one emotion always reveals the next one. Clients release an average of 6-8 emotions during each session. Website: vitasana.vip 

In this compelling episode, we welcome Elaine Lindsay. Elaine is a transformational speaker, author, and podcaster who has dedicated her life to breaking the silence surrounding suicide, mental health, and personal transformation. Elaine shares her powerful journey from deep grief and self-destruction to awakening and embracing life fully. Her story is one of resilience, hope, and the relentless pursuit of understanding and healing. Join us as we delve into Elaine's life experiences, her mission, and her efforts to spark difficult but necessary conversations about mental health and suicide.About Elaine Lindsay:At 16, my dear friend Andrea ended her life by suicide. Her untimely death profoundly impacted my life. Within four years, I found myself at death's door, though not by my own hand. In an odd twist of fate, I was lying on the highway directly in front of Andrea's grave.Currently, I'm working on my first TED Talk titled 'The Insanity of Vanity: It Killed Me Twice!' and penning the first draft of my debut book—a lesson-rich biography chronicling my journey from self-hatred, deep grief, and loss, through death, destruction, addiction, and awakening, to fully embracing life at 68.I've spent over 50 years climbing out of the darkness I created to hide the monster I saw in the mirror.BionicGlamma, Transformational Speaker, Author, Podcaster, Polymath, PollyAnna, part-time Standup Comedian, SEO | Social Media and Site Foundations Specialist.Elaine's Mission: End the silence, stigma, and shame surrounding suicide loss, ideation, and mental health. Let's start the difficult conversations.Elaine writes for Medium and has contributed articles to various magazines including Brainz, Women Rock, Media, Marketing and Money, and the Global Interview Series. She has also been featured on numerous podcasts worldwide.Elaine has appeared on CTV, CBC, Rogers TV, New Jersey Cable TV, and served as a keynote speaker at the W3 Women Wisdom and Wellness Event. Occasionally, she performs standup comedy.Elaine is an eternal optimist who believes, "In any pile of horse-dung... START DIGGING! There's got to be a pony in there!"https://ElaineLindsay.com/Podcast: https://www.szf42.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheElaineLindsay Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thebionicglamma/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/suicidezenforgiveness/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elainelindsayTwitter: https://twitter.com/TheBionicGlamma YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheElaineLindsayYouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@suicidezenforgiveness/CONNECT WITH SHANNAN MONDOR:Website: https://shannanmondor.comPodcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fulfillment-in-faith/id1653165886Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/shannankmondor/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/shannanmondorTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@shannanmondorYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6Xe944cXwD-HFPFQnwnRcQBook:

Overcoming Domestic Abuse with Paige Hubbard In this episode of 'Suicide Zen Forgiveness,' host Elaine Lindsay speaks with Paige Hubbard, a domestic abuse survivor. Paige shares her harrowing journey of being in an abusive relationship, the challenges she faced, and the steps she took to leave. They discuss the importance of therapy, being open with children about difficult experiences, and the personal growth that comes from sharing one's story. Paige also talks about her podcast, the struggles of single parenting, and the healing process. The episode provides hope and inspiration for those facing similar situations.   00:00 Introduction and Trigger Warning 00:17 Meet Paige Hubbard 00:32 Elaine Introduces the Podcast 01:18 Paige's Background and Family Life 04:26 Challenges of Parenting Teenagers 05:29 Bullying and Personal Experiences 10:35 Paige's First Marriage 12:34 Paige's Second Relationship and Marriage 21:45 Realization of Abuse 27:06 Escaping the Abusive Relationship 34:07 Heartbreak and Therapy 34:55 Survival Mode 37:46 Protecting the Children 41:03 Podcast Healing 46:26 New Relationship Challenges 55:20 Open Conversations with Kids 01:04:07 Final Thoughts and Farewell BIO I have been a podcast host for a year and a half. I host Creating Yourself Podcast as well as co-host Zero Fucks Given Podcast with my friend Chelsie. I found my passion for podcasting after leaving a relationship & falling into the deepest, darkest depression of my life. I am currently in the process of getting my life coaching certification so that I can help other women who have been where I was & further more help women heal from domestic abuse relationships. Socials:  https://www.instagram.com/creatingyourselfpod/ https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100091898995991 https://www.tiktok.com/@creatingyourselfpodcast  -- Paige  Creating Yourself Podcast  creatingyourselfpod@gmail.com IG: creatingyourselfpod FB: Creating Yourself Podcast   

Overcoming Domestic Abuse with Paige Hubbard In this episode of 'Suicide Zen Forgiveness,' host Elaine Lindsay speaks with Paige Hubbard, a domestic abuse survivor. Paige shares her harrowing journey of being in an abusive relationship, the challenges she faced, and the steps she took to leave. They discuss the importance of therapy, being open with children about difficult experiences, and the personal growth that comes from sharing one's story. Paige also talks about her podcast, the struggles of single parenting, and the healing process. The episode provides hope and inspiration for those facing similar situations.   00:00 Introduction and Trigger Warning 00:17 Meet Paige Hubbard 00:32 Elaine Introduces the Podcast 01:18 Paige's Background and Family Life 04:26 Challenges of Parenting Teenagers 05:29 Bullying and Personal Experiences 10:35 Paige's First Marriage 12:34 Paige's Second Relationship and Marriage 21:45 Realization of Abuse 27:06 Escaping the Abusive Relationship 34:07 Heartbreak and Therapy 34:55 Survival Mode 37:46 Protecting the Children 41:03 Podcast Healing 46:26 New Relationship Challenges 55:20 Open Conversations with Kids 01:04:07 Final Thoughts and Farewell BIO I have been a podcast host for a year and a half. I host Creating Yourself Podcast as well as co-host Zero Fucks Given Podcast with my friend Chelsie. I found my passion for podcasting after leaving a relationship & falling into the deepest, darkest depression of my life. I am currently in the process of getting my life coaching certification so that I can help other women who have been where I was & further more help women heal from domestic abuse relationships. Socials:  https://www.instagram.com/creatingyourselfpod/ https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100091898995991 https://www.tiktok.com/@creatingyourselfpodcast  -- Paige  Creating Yourself Podcast  creatingyourselfpod@gmail.com IG: creatingyourselfpod FB: Creating Yourself Podcast   

Explicit LanguageElaine Lindsay's Suicide Prevention and Mental Health Advocacy JourneyIn this episode, Dr. Tami Patzer talks with Elaine Lindsay, a passionate advocate for suicide prevention and mental health awareness. Elaine's journey of overcoming profound adversity, including unaddressed suicidal ideation, a suicide loss, and a life-altering accident, has equipped her with a unique perspective and an unwavering determination to shatter the silence, stigma, and shame surrounding these critical issues.Elaine's expertise and insights have been widely recognized, with her work featured in prominent media outlets. At 68 years old, she is crafting a lesson-rich biography that promises to be a testament to her journey through grief, self-loathing, and rebirth, embracing life with an unapologetic flair. Elaine's forthcoming work aims to empower and enlighten, offering a road map of resilience and joy that she has lived and continues to advocate for every day.This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in understanding the complexities of suicide ideation, the impact of mental health challenges, and the power of resilience. Elaine's candid and often humorous storytelling provides a unique window into her experiences, inspiring listeners to make the most of each day and find the good in life, even in the face of overwhelming adversity.Listeners can find out more about Elaine Lindsay and her work by tuning in to her podcast, Suicide Zen Forgiveness, available at or by searching for her on social media and across the digital landscape, where she is always at the “corner of search and social.”Source: https://businessinnovatorsradio.com/elaine-lindsay-how-she-realized-suicide-zen-forgiveness-suicide-awareness-mental-health-advocacy-and-the-power-of-gratitude

Elaine Lindsay hosts an inspiring episode of Suicide Zen Forgiveness featuring Dessi McEntee, a remarkable woman whose life story reflects resilience and empowerment. Dessi, a toxicologist and firefighter, shares her powerful journey through losing her parents, battling severe health issues, and overcoming depression and a suicide attempt. Her transformative encounter with a mentor, Mike, who believed in her potential, led her to embrace life and pursue a mission to empower others. Tune in to hear Dessi's candid reflections on grief, mental health, and finding strength through adversity.   00:00 Introduction to Dessi McEntee 00:59 Elaine Lindsay's Mission 01:42 Dessi's Early Life and Loss 03:17 Struggles and Triumphs in High School 05:02 Battling Depression and Finding Hope 07:45 Meeting Mike and New Beginnings 09:23 Living Life to the Fullest 10:11 Empowering Others Through Storytelling 13:37 Reflections on Grief and Emotions 24:25 Conclusion and Next Episode Preview   Bio Dessi is a speaker, survivor, entrepreneur, toxicologist, firefighter, and more. She is her most epic self. Built from the adversities of losing a parent not once but twice, battling life-threatening illnesses, and grappling with happiness, Dessi has used her pain to power saving lives as a first responder and billion-dollar programs as a toxicologist. Today, she brings her story to others, empowering them to flip the script on adversity and turn any obstacle into an opportunity.  Links & Socials Website: https://www.dessimcentee.com/ Newsletter: https://www.dessimcentee.com/newsletter Book: https://shop.ingramspark.com/b/084?PbRpbuMnN9PcExQE9JAUphIJepoQiZRXrXHibtaWPeV LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dessi-mcentee/ Instagram: @dessi_mcentee  

Elaine Lindsay hosts an inspiring episode of Suicide Zen Forgiveness featuring Dessi McEntee, a remarkable woman whose life story reflects resilience and empowerment. Dessi, a toxicologist and firefighter, shares her powerful journey through losing her parents, battling severe health issues, and overcoming depression and a suicide attempt. Her transformative encounter with a mentor, Mike, who believed in her potential, led her to embrace life and pursue a mission to empower others. Tune in to hear Dessi's candid reflections on grief, mental health, and finding strength through adversity.   00:00 Introduction to Dessi McEntee 00:59 Elaine Lindsay's Mission 01:42 Dessi's Early Life and Loss 03:17 Struggles and Triumphs in High School 05:02 Battling Depression and Finding Hope 07:45 Meeting Mike and New Beginnings 09:23 Living Life to the Fullest 10:11 Empowering Others Through Storytelling 13:37 Reflections on Grief and Emotions 24:25 Conclusion and Next Episode Preview   Bio Dessi is a speaker, survivor, entrepreneur, toxicologist, firefighter, and more. She is her most epic self. Built from the adversities of losing a parent not once but twice, battling life-threatening illnesses, and grappling with happiness, Dessi has used her pain to power saving lives as a first responder and billion-dollar programs as a toxicologist. Today, she brings her story to others, empowering them to flip the script on adversity and turn any obstacle into an opportunity.  Links & Socials Website: https://www.dessimcentee.com/ Newsletter: https://www.dessimcentee.com/newsletter Book: https://shop.ingramspark.com/b/084?PbRpbuMnN9PcExQE9JAUphIJepoQiZRXrXHibtaWPeV LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dessi-mcentee/ Instagram: @dessi_mcentee  

Michall J. Medina: From Engineer to Spiritual Healer   In this episode of Suicide Zen Forgiveness, host Elaine Lindsay interviews award-winning spiritual thought leader Michall J. Medina, who transitioned from a career in electrical engineering to becoming a healer. Michall discusses her journey through various healing modalities in the search to cure her social anxiety and suicidal depression, eventually developing her own groundbreaking method. She shares insights into overcoming the 'healing trap,' the importance of somatic and energy healing, and her vision to teach others how to heal themselves. Michall also provides an unconditional love meditation as a resource for listeners. Tune in for an inspiring and educational discussion on spirituality, mental health, and personal transformation.   00:00 Introduction to Today's Guest 01:01 Elaine Lindsay's Mission 01:43 Welcoming Michall J. Medina 03:20 Michall's Journey with Social Anxiety 06:59 Exploring Alternative Therapies 10:04 Discovering Energy Healing 23:05 Moving to Israel and Career Shift 27:58 Burning Man and New Perspectives 29:07 Discovering a New Purpose 29:43 Starting the Coaching Journey 30:42 Overcoming Social Anxiety 32:23 Somatic Healing Techniques 38:46 Developing a Healing Methodology 42:28 Embracing the Healing Journey 49:24 Future Plans and Vision 54:57 Conclusion and Final Thoughts Short bio: Michall J Medina is an award-winning spiritual thought leader. Before she launched her business, Michall had trained in over seven different healing modalities in search for a cure for her anxiety. As a former electrical engineer, she brought her analytical skills to the world of healing and spirituality and developed a ground-breaking method of resolving the core root of any struggle and shifting it into expansion and freedom. Michall offers this Gift Freebie - https://www.Michalljmedina.com/unconditional-love Socials: https://Instagram.com/Michalljmedina https://Facebook.com/Michallmedina  

Michall J. Medina: From Engineer to Spiritual Healer   In this episode of Suicide Zen Forgiveness, host Elaine Lindsay interviews award-winning spiritual thought leader Michall J. Medina, who transitioned from a career in electrical engineering to becoming a healer. Michall discusses her journey through various healing modalities in the search to cure her social anxiety and suicidal depression, eventually developing her own groundbreaking method. She shares insights into overcoming the 'healing trap,' the importance of somatic and energy healing, and her vision to teach others how to heal themselves. Michall also provides an unconditional love meditation as a resource for listeners. Tune in for an inspiring and educational discussion on spirituality, mental health, and personal transformation.   00:00 Introduction to Today's Guest 01:01 Elaine Lindsay's Mission 01:43 Welcoming Michall J. Medina 03:20 Michall's Journey with Social Anxiety 06:59 Exploring Alternative Therapies 10:04 Discovering Energy Healing 23:05 Moving to Israel and Career Shift 27:58 Burning Man and New Perspectives 29:07 Discovering a New Purpose 29:43 Starting the Coaching Journey 30:42 Overcoming Social Anxiety 32:23 Somatic Healing Techniques 38:46 Developing a Healing Methodology 42:28 Embracing the Healing Journey 49:24 Future Plans and Vision 54:57 Conclusion and Final Thoughts Short bio: Michall J Medina is an award-winning spiritual thought leader. Before she launched her business, Michall had trained in over seven different healing modalities in search for a cure for her anxiety. As a former electrical engineer, she brought her analytical skills to the world of healing and spirituality and developed a ground-breaking method of resolving the core root of any struggle and shifting it into expansion and freedom. Michall offers this Gift Freebie - https://www.Michalljmedina.com/unconditional-love Socials: https://Instagram.com/Michalljmedina https://Facebook.com/Michallmedina  

Join host Francelyn Devarie as she talks with the remarkable Elaine Lindsay. Elaine shares her story of resilience and optimism, having faced multiple life-changing accidents, near-death experiences, and long-term illness. Her journey is a testament to the power of adaptation and reinvention. Elaine has teetered on the brink of "lights out" too many times to count. At 16, she lost her close friend Andrea to suicide, an event that reverberated through her life. Just four years later, she found herself lying on the highway in front of Andrea's grave, narrowly escaping death. Despite these and other extreme challenges, Elaine has risen like a phoenix from the ashes, embodying an unwavering spirit and eternal optimism. She believes, "In a room full of horse-dung…START DIGGING! There's got to be a pony!" Connect with Elaine and learn more about her at

Overcoming Adversity: Alma Thomas's Inspirational Journey on Suicide Zen Forgiveness In this heartfelt episode of 'Suicide Zen Forgiveness,' host Elaine Lindsay welcomes Minister Alma Thomas, who shares her remarkable story of resilience and survival. Alma discusses her journey through immense hardships including the loss of her son, surviving a stroke, and overcoming other personal challenges. Despite her obstacles, Alma emphasizes the importance of living one's dream life and finding purpose. She talks about starting a scholarship in her son's honor and how she continues to inspire others through her writing and motivational speaking. This episode provides a moving and transformative message about perseverance, mental health, and the power of never giving up.   00:00 Introduction to Suicide Zen Forgiveness Podcast 00:50 Meet Minister Alma Thomas: A Story of Resilience 02:44 Alma's Journey Through Loss and Recovery 03:24 Finding Purpose After Tragedy 08:00 Overcoming Mental Health Stigma and Finding Help 14:17 Alma's Life-Changing Stroke and Recovery 18:38 The Power of Perseverance: Writing and Inspiring Others 24:55 Alma's Message of Hope and Encouragement 36:06 Closing Thoughts and Resources Bio Alma Thomas is an Ordained Minister Educator, Motivational Speaker, Playwright and Author. She holds two B.S Degrees, one in Human Services with a Concentration in Children and Families and another in Christian Studies. She is a contributing writer for "Authentically You" “Lasum Online Magazines” and "Strawberry-Lit Magazines". She is the co-author of several books including "Love, Marriage and Divorce", and “Dream Killers”. She is the single mother of two children Sabria and Tysean who left his earthly home to reign in his heavenly home in 2009. Book links  Dream Killers Part of: Dream Killers (1 books)  | by Alma Thomas , Dynasty's Visionary Designs, et al. | Sold by: Amazon.com Services LLC From The Waiting Room To The Recovery Room by Alma Thomas , Miss Web Designer, et al. | Sold by: Amazon.com Services LLC  | May 15, 2017 She Overcame Suicide: Inspiring Stories of Serving in Ministry While Struggling with Suicide Book 1 of 2: She Overcame Suicide  | by Denise A. Kelley (Author), Lenai Clegg (Author), Jesta Bouie (Author), Nicole Twitty (Author), Tresser Henderson (Author), Genisha Morton (Author), Walikqua Johnson (Author), Tamara Harris (Author), Alma Thomas (Author), Desiree Johnson (Author)   #podcastinterview #mentalhealth #suicideawareness #togetherwerise #itgetsbetter #darknessanddespair #depthsofdespair #rippleeffects #moveforward #shareyourstory #hopeandhealing #hopefulness #chooselife #transformationtotriumph #survivingtothriving #stopthestigma #stopsuicide #keepgoing #semicolon #suicideprevention #strokesurvivor    

Overcoming Adversity: Alma Thomas's Inspirational Journey on Suicide Zen Forgiveness In this heartfelt episode of 'Suicide Zen Forgiveness,' host Elaine Lindsay welcomes Minister Alma Thomas, who shares her remarkable story of resilience and survival. Alma discusses her journey through immense hardships including the loss of her son, surviving a stroke, and overcoming other personal challenges. Despite her obstacles, Alma emphasizes the importance of living one's dream life and finding purpose. She talks about starting a scholarship in her son's honor and how she continues to inspire others through her writing and motivational speaking. This episode provides a moving and transformative message about perseverance, mental health, and the power of never giving up.   00:00 Introduction to Suicide Zen Forgiveness Podcast 00:50 Meet Minister Alma Thomas: A Story of Resilience 02:44 Alma's Journey Through Loss and Recovery 03:24 Finding Purpose After Tragedy 08:00 Overcoming Mental Health Stigma and Finding Help 14:17 Alma's Life-Changing Stroke and Recovery 18:38 The Power of Perseverance: Writing and Inspiring Others 24:55 Alma's Message of Hope and Encouragement 36:06 Closing Thoughts and Resources Bio Alma Thomas is an Ordained Minister Educator, Motivational Speaker, Playwright and Author. She holds two B.S Degrees, one in Human Services with a Concentration in Children and Families and another in Christian Studies. She is a contributing writer for "Authentically You" “Lasum Online Magazines” and "Strawberry-Lit Magazines". She is the co-author of several books including "Love, Marriage and Divorce", and “Dream Killers”. She is the single mother of two children Sabria and Tysean who left his earthly home to reign in his heavenly home in 2009. Book links  Dream Killers Part of: Dream Killers (1 books)  | by Alma Thomas , Dynasty's Visionary Designs, et al. | Sold by: Amazon.com Services LLC From The Waiting Room To The Recovery Room by Alma Thomas , Miss Web Designer, et al. | Sold by: Amazon.com Services LLC  | May 15, 2017 She Overcame Suicide: Inspiring Stories of Serving in Ministry While Struggling with Suicide Book 1 of 2: She Overcame Suicide  | by Denise A. Kelley (Author), Lenai Clegg (Author), Jesta Bouie (Author), Nicole Twitty (Author), Tresser Henderson (Author), Genisha Morton (Author), Walikqua Johnson (Author), Tamara Harris (Author), Alma Thomas (Author), Desiree Johnson (Author)   #podcastinterview #mentalhealth #suicideawareness #togetherwerise #itgetsbetter #darknessanddespair #depthsofdespair #rippleeffects #moveforward #shareyourstory #hopeandhealing #hopefulness #chooselife #transformationtotriumph #survivingtothriving #stopthestigma #stopsuicide #keepgoing #semicolon #suicideprevention #strokesurvivor    

Empowerment Through Adversity: Elizabeth Miles' Journey and Mental Health Advocacy   This script is for an episode of the 'Suicide Zen Forgiveness' podcast hosted by Elaine Lindsay, focusing on mental health, suicide prevention, and the power of sharing personal stories to combat stigma and shame. The episode features Elizabeth Miles, founder of March Forth Media Company, a magazine editor, podcast host, author, certified life coach, and Reiki master instructor. Elizabeth shares her struggles with mental health from a young age, including eating disorders, depression, and navigating a toxic and abusive marriage, highlighting how these experiences shaped her resilience and determination. The discussion covers the significance of asking for help, the process of personal growth and healing, and the importance of spreading awareness and fostering open conversations about mental health. The dialogues underscore the mission to end the silence and stigma surrounding mental health issues and suicide, advocating for a community-based approach to support and empowerment.   00:00 Meet Elizabeth Miles: A Journey of Resilience and Empowerment 01:37 Introducing Suicide Zen Forgiveness Podcast 04:11 Elizabeth's Personal Struggle with Mental Health 13:10 The Power of Pivoting: Elizabeth's Transformation 18:46 Breaking the Cycle: Advocacy and Awareness 21:05 The Importance of Community and Acceptance 26:43 Embracing Differences: A Call for Curiosity and Understanding 29:00 Exploring Cultural Fascinations and the Impact of Technology 29:31 The Power of Open-mindedness and Curiosity 29:57 Navigating the Digital Age with Caution and Wisdom 30:42 Personal Passions: Food, Clothing, and Cultural Expressions 32:02 Educational Insights and the Magic Wand of Change 32:22 The Journey of Self-empowerment and Making Choices 34:50 Harnessing Emotions for Growth and Understanding 43:43 The Impact of COVID-19 on Social Interactions and Development 49:59 The Future of Technology, AI, and Human Connection 51:55 Upcoming Projects and the Importance of Community Work 54:40 Closing Thoughts and Acknowledgments Bio: Elizabeth Miles is an expert at authenticity in business, and is an author, transformational life and business coach, and podcast host.  She teaches others to dance through and with fear, overcoming obstacles and challenges to help them transform their lives.  After spending nearly 20 years in an abusive and toxic relationship, she finally discovered the power to pivot, and share this story in her books and on The Power to Pivot Podcast, where she discusses the power of choice.  Her books include: This Is Where You Pivot: The Shift from Fear to Freedom, The Journey to Healing: Love, Yourself, and Connect You: A Guide to Your Authentic Life.    Links: Social Media: https://www.instagram.com/marchforthmediaco https://www.facebook.com/MarchForthMediaCompany https://www.tiktok.com/@marchforthmediaco?lang=en https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6WLVN5JeUgwqRv11epyiqQ   Podcast: Spotify: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/powertopivot   iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-power-to-pivot-podcast/id1500480887   Books: Chapter Preview: www.thisiswhereyoupivot.com/chapterpreview   Book Bundle: www.thisiswhereyoupivot.com/bookbundle  

Empowerment Through Adversity: Elizabeth Miles' Journey and Mental Health Advocacy   This script is for an episode of the 'Suicide Zen Forgiveness' podcast hosted by Elaine Lindsay, focusing on mental health, suicide prevention, and the power of sharing personal stories to combat stigma and shame. The episode features Elizabeth Miles, founder of March Forth Media Company, a magazine editor, podcast host, author, certified life coach, and Reiki master instructor. Elizabeth shares her struggles with mental health from a young age, including eating disorders, depression, and navigating a toxic and abusive marriage, highlighting how these experiences shaped her resilience and determination. The discussion covers the significance of asking for help, the process of personal growth and healing, and the importance of spreading awareness and fostering open conversations about mental health. The dialogues underscore the mission to end the silence and stigma surrounding mental health issues and suicide, advocating for a community-based approach to support and empowerment.   00:00 Meet Elizabeth Miles: A Journey of Resilience and Empowerment 01:37 Introducing Suicide Zen Forgiveness Podcast 04:11 Elizabeth's Personal Struggle with Mental Health 13:10 The Power of Pivoting: Elizabeth's Transformation 18:46 Breaking the Cycle: Advocacy and Awareness 21:05 The Importance of Community and Acceptance 26:43 Embracing Differences: A Call for Curiosity and Understanding 29:00 Exploring Cultural Fascinations and the Impact of Technology 29:31 The Power of Open-mindedness and Curiosity 29:57 Navigating the Digital Age with Caution and Wisdom 30:42 Personal Passions: Food, Clothing, and Cultural Expressions 32:02 Educational Insights and the Magic Wand of Change 32:22 The Journey of Self-empowerment and Making Choices 34:50 Harnessing Emotions for Growth and Understanding 43:43 The Impact of COVID-19 on Social Interactions and Development 49:59 The Future of Technology, AI, and Human Connection 51:55 Upcoming Projects and the Importance of Community Work 54:40 Closing Thoughts and Acknowledgments Bio: Elizabeth Miles is an expert at authenticity in business, and is an author, transformational life and business coach, and podcast host.  She teaches others to dance through and with fear, overcoming obstacles and challenges to help them transform their lives.  After spending nearly 20 years in an abusive and toxic relationship, she finally discovered the power to pivot, and share this story in her books and on The Power to Pivot Podcast, where she discusses the power of choice.  Her books include: This Is Where You Pivot: The Shift from Fear to Freedom, The Journey to Healing: Love, Yourself, and Connect You: A Guide to Your Authentic Life.    Links: Social Media: https://www.instagram.com/marchforthmediaco https://www.facebook.com/MarchForthMediaCompany https://www.tiktok.com/@marchforthmediaco?lang=en https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6WLVN5JeUgwqRv11epyiqQ   Podcast: Spotify: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/powertopivot   iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-power-to-pivot-podcast/id1500480887   Books: Chapter Preview: www.thisiswhereyoupivot.com/chapterpreview   Book Bundle: www.thisiswhereyoupivot.com/bookbundle  

Empowerment Through Healing: Exploring Suicides and Forgiveness In an episode of 'Suicide Zen Forgiveness,' hosted by Elaine Lindsay, guest Nancy Debra Barrows shares her transformative journey from experiencing sexual abuse and struggling with mental health to finding healing and empowerment. Nancy discusses the role of therapy, the impact of transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS), and the importance of vulnerability and self-care in her recovery. The episode closes with a note of gratitude towards guests and sponsors, emphasizing the show's commitment to suicide prevention and mental health advocacy. It encourages listener participation and promotes future episodes aimed at breaking the silence on critical mental health issues.   00:00 Welcome to the Show: Introducing Nancy Debra Barrows 00:45 The Mission of Suicide Zen Forgiveness Podcast 03:33 Nancy's Journey: From New York to Healing* 05:51 Confronting the Past and Embracing Therapy 06:21 The Struggle with Anorexia and Seeking Control 08:30 College Challenges and Dropping Out 12:21 Finding a New Path in Los Angeles 13:35 The Power of Sharing and Healing 13:38 Embracing the Real You: #RadiatingReal Campaign 15:56 The Impact of TMS on Depression 17:27 The Importance of Sharing Your Story 39:58 Learning to Forgive and Love Yourself 41:45 Unpacking Emotional Abuse and Its Repetition 42:44 The Comfort in Discomfort: Understanding Domestic Abuse Dynamics 43:18 Exploring the Human Psyche: Love, Needs, and Survival 46:03 The Power of Perception: How Our Brains Shape Our Reality 49:23 Embracing Vulnerability and Building a Virtual Toolbox 52:03 Acts of Kindness: A Personal Journey Towards Healing 55:04 The Importance of Self-Care and Setting Boundaries 01:03:34 Challenging Gender Norms and Embracing Emotional Expression 01:16:15 Finding Passion and Purpose Later in Life 01:16:49 Closing Thoughts and Gratitude   *FootNote Mandated Reporter In the United States and Canada, a mandated reporter is a person who is legally required to report to Child Protective Services if they observe or suspect abuse or neglect in children. Mandatory reporting laws generally apply to professionals who come into contact with children (for example, physicians, nurses, teachers, therapists, and childcare providers) while in other places, it applies to all adults regardless of profession. If a mandated reporter fails to report, they may incur civil penalties, criminal prosecution, or both.  -From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia About Nancy  Nancy Debra Barrows M.S. CCC-SLP (She/Her) * 5 Time #1 Best Selling Author * 5 Time LinkedIn TopVoice * Top 50 Most Impactful People of LinkedIn * Please use calendly.com/nancybarrows to set up an appointment * Top 50 Most Inspired Connections On LinkedIn * Top 250 Rising Stars and Influencers to Watch on LinkedIn * Chief Excitement Officer/Founder; The Chick With The Toolbelt  * Chief Engagement Officer, VoiceYourVibe * Co-Host/Producer of the Global Award winning LIVE shows "Shout Out Saturday" & "What's Good Wednesday" * Creator/Host of "Connected Human Conversations" * Keynote Speaker * Creator, The #RadiatingReal Movement   https://www.linkedin.com/in/nancybarrows/   "The challenges you overcome become your superpowers."  ~ Nancy Debra Barrows   For more ways to connect, click below https://linktr.ee/voiceyourvibe  

Empowerment Through Healing: Exploring Suicides and Forgiveness In an episode of 'Suicides and Forgiveness,' hosted by Elaine Lindsay, guest Nancy Debra Barrows shares her transformative journey from experiencing sexual abuse and struggling with mental health to finding healing and empowerment. Nancy discusses the role of therapy, the impact of transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS), and the importance of vulnerability and self-care in her recovery. The episode closes with a note of gratitude towards guests and sponsors, emphasizing the show's commitment to suicide prevention and mental health advocacy. It encourages listener participation and promotes future episodes aimed at breaking the silence on critical mental health issues.   00:00 Welcome to the Show: Introducing Nancy Deborah Barrows 00:45 The Mission of Suicide Zen Forgiveness Podcast 03:33 Nancy's Journey: From New York to Healing* 05:51 Confronting the Past and Embracing Therapy 06:21 The Struggle with Anorexia and Seeking Control 08:30 College Challenges and Dropping Out 12:21 Finding a New Path in Los Angeles 13:35 The Power of Sharing and Healing 13:38 Embracing the Real You: #RadiatingReal Campaign 15:56 The Impact of TMS on Depression 17:27 The Importance of Sharing Your Story 39:58 Learning to Forgive and Love Yourself 41:45 Unpacking Emotional Abuse and Its Repetition 42:44 The Comfort in Discomfort: Understanding Domestic Abuse Dynamics 43:18 Exploring the Human Psyche: Love, Needs, and Survival 46:03 The Power of Perception: How Our Brains Shape Our Reality 49:23 Embracing Vulnerability and Building a Virtual Toolbox 52:03 Acts of Kindness: A Personal Journey Towards Healing 55:04 The Importance of Self-Care and Setting Boundaries 01:03:34 Challenging Gender Norms and Embracing Emotional Expression 01:16:15 Finding Passion and Purpose Later in Life 01:16:49 Closing Thoughts and Gratitude   *FootNote Mandated Reporter In the United States and Canada, a mandated reporter is a person who is legally required to report to Child Protective Services if they observe or suspect abuse or neglect in children. Mandatory reporting laws generally apply to professionals who come into contact with children (for example, physicians, nurses, teachers, therapists, and childcare providers) while in other places, it applies to all adults regardless of profession. If a mandated reporter fails to report, they may incur civil penalties, criminal prosecution, or both.  -From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia About Nancy  Nancy Debra Barrows M.S. CCC-SLP (She/Her) * 5 Time #1 Best Selling Author * 5 Time LinkedIn TopVoice * Top 50 Most Impactful People of LinkedIn * Please use calendly.com/nancybarrows to set up an appointment * Top 50 Most Inspired Connections On LinkedIn * Top 250 Rising Stars and Influencers to Watch on LinkedIn * Chief Excitement Officer/Founder; The Chick With The Toolbelt  * Chief Engagement Officer, VoiceYourVibe * Co-Host/Producer of the Global Award winning LIVE shows "Shout Out Saturday" & "What's Good Wednesday" * Creator/Host of "Connected Human Conversations" * Keynote Speaker * Creator, The #RadiatingReal Movement   https://www.linkedin.com/in/nancybarrows/   "The challenges you overcome become your superpowers."  ~ Nancy Debra Barrows   For more ways to connect, click below https://linktr.ee/voiceyourvibe  

(The surgery was undone after 20 days) Elaine Lindsay's Journey: The Hidden Dangers of Weight Loss Surgeries and Medications   In this heartfelt solo episode, Elaine Lindsay shares her personal journey and the aftermath of losing a dear friend to suicide. Elaine discusses the immense societal pressures on appearance, particularly for young women, and the impact on her own life. She recounts her traumatic experiences with experimental weight loss surgery in 1983, the severe complications she suffered, and the long-lasting health issues that resulted. Elaine emphasizes the importance of being cautious with modern weight loss medications like semaglutides, urging for more research and informed decisions. She encourages listeners to share this message to help others make better choices regarding weight loss solutions. This episode serves as both a cautionary tale and a call for greater awareness and empathy towards those struggling with self-image and weight issues.   00:00 Introduction and Personal Appeal 01:24 The Pressure of Societal Expectations 05:04 Struggles with Self-Acceptance 05:45 The Impact of a Life-Altering Accident 06:54 The Journey to Self-Improvement 11:22 The Decision for Weight Loss Surgery 13:42 The Aftermath of Botched Surgeries 18:29 Living with Long-Term Complications 24:20 A Warning About Modern Weight Loss Drugs 29:41 Final Thoughts and Call to Action   BIO Driven by a profound mission to shatter the silence, stigma, and shame surrounding suicide loss, ideation, and mental health, Elaine is passionately committed to open, often challenging conversations around the critical topics of her mission.     Elaine writes on Medium, and has articles featured in "Brainz," "Women Rock," and "Media, Marketing, and Money" magazines, and appearances in three books on Social Media and SEO, Elaine's expertise is widely recognized. Her insights have also been shared on prominent platforms including CTV, CBC, and Rogers TV.    Now, at 68, she is crafting a lesson-rich biography that promises to be a testament to her journey through grief, self-loathing, and rebirth, embracing life with unapologetic vigor.    Her forthcoming work aims to empower and enlighten, offering a roadmap of resilience and joy that she has lived and continues to advocate for every day. Links and Socials  Personal website: https://www.elainelindsay.com/  Podcast: https://www.szf42.com/  SEO|Social Media Foundations Specialists:https://www.TROOLSocial.com/    Bluesky https://bsky.app/profile/theelaine.bsky.social Facebook Personal https://www.facebook.com/TheElaineLindsay  Podcast https://www.facebook.com/SZF42/  Business https://www.facebook.com/TROOLSocial  BBPTVShow https://www.facebook.com/BBPTVshow   Instagram Personal https://www.instagram.com/thebionicglamma/ Podcast https://www.instagram.com/suicidezenforgiveness/  Business  http://instagram.com/troolsocial    LinkedIn Personal https://www.linkedin.com/in/elainelindsay/    Podcast https://www.linkedin.com/company/suicide-zen-forgiveness/  Business https://www.linkedin.com/company/trool-social-media   Pinterest  http://www.pinterest.com/troolsocial    Twitter X Personal https://x.com/TheBionicGlamma  Podcast https://x.com/SZF42 Business https://x.com/troolsocial    Telegram @TROOLSocial   YouTube: Personal  https://www.youtube.com/@ElaineLindsay Podcast www.youtube.com/@suicidezenforgiveness Business www.youtube.com/@TROOLSocial  BBPTVShow  https://www.youtube.com/@BBPTVShow   Vertical banded gastroplasty* NOTE: I had my short-time VBG in September 1983.. None of the early complications were the expected because the doctor caused a gastric leak, and tried to cover it up. 3 surgeries in three weeks.. and in the third.. he had another surgeon slit my throat and divert my esophagus out my neck -NOT a normal procedure.   Vertical banded gastroplasty (VBG), introduced by Mason in 1982, is now discarded because of important long-term complications and technical difficulties to do revisional surgery.    The rate of reintervention is high. Long-term complication can be severe, especially with gastric stenosis that could lead to esophageal cancer. A second reintervention could be technically demanding, especially by laparoscopy, and the patients should be referred to a specialized center.  

(The surgery was undone after 20 days) Elaine Lindsay's Journey: The Hidden Dangers of Weight Loss Surgeries and Medications   In this heartfelt solo episode, Elaine Lindsay shares her personal journey and the aftermath of losing a dear friend to suicide. Elaine discusses the immense societal pressures on appearance, particularly for young women, and the impact on her own life. She recounts her traumatic experiences with experimental weight loss surgery in 1983, the severe complications she suffered, and the long-lasting health issues that resulted. Elaine emphasizes the importance of being cautious with modern weight loss medications like semaglutides, urging for more research and informed decisions. She encourages listeners to share this message to help others make better choices regarding weight loss solutions. This episode serves as both a cautionary tale and a call for greater awareness and empathy towards those struggling with self-image and weight issues.   00:00 Introduction and Personal Appeal 01:24 The Pressure of Societal Expectations 05:04 Struggles with Self-Acceptance 05:45 The Impact of a Life-Altering Accident 06:54 The Journey to Self-Improvement 11:22 The Decision for Weight Loss Surgery 13:42 The Aftermath of Botched Surgeries 18:29 Living with Long-Term Complications 24:20 A Warning About Modern Weight Loss Drugs 29:41 Final Thoughts and Call to Action   BIO Driven by a profound mission to shatter the silence, stigma, and shame surrounding suicide loss, ideation, and mental health, Elaine is passionately committed to open, often challenging conversations around the critical topics of her mission.     Elaine writes on Medium, and has articles featured in "Brainz," "Women Rock," and "Media, Marketing, and Money" magazines, and appearances in three books on Social Media and SEO, Elaine's expertise is widely recognized. Her insights have also been shared on prominent platforms including CTV, CBC, and Rogers TV.    Now, at 68, she is crafting a lesson-rich biography that promises to be a testament to her journey through grief, self-loathing, and rebirth, embracing life with unapologetic vigor.    Her forthcoming work aims to empower and enlighten, offering a roadmap of resilience and joy that she has lived and continues to advocate for every day. Links and Socials  Personal website: https://www.elainelindsay.com/  Podcast: https://www.szf42.com/  SEO|Social Media Foundations Specialists:https://www.TROOLSocial.com/    Bluesky https://bsky.app/profile/theelaine.bsky.social Facebook Personal https://www.facebook.com/TheElaineLindsay  Podcast https://www.facebook.com/SZF42/  Business https://www.facebook.com/TROOLSocial  BBPTVShow https://www.facebook.com/BBPTVshow   Instagram Personal https://www.instagram.com/thebionicglamma/ Podcast https://www.instagram.com/suicidezenforgiveness/  Business  http://instagram.com/troolsocial    LinkedIn Personal https://www.linkedin.com/in/elainelindsay/    Podcast https://www.linkedin.com/company/suicide-zen-forgiveness/  Business https://www.linkedin.com/company/trool-social-media   Pinterest  http://www.pinterest.com/troolsocial    Twitter X Personal https://x.com/TheBionicGlamma  Podcast https://x.com/SZF42 Business https://x.com/troolsocial    Telegram @TROOLSocial   YouTube: Personal  https://www.youtube.com/@ElaineLindsay Podcast www.youtube.com/@suicidezenforgiveness Business www.youtube.com/@TROOLSocial  BBPTVShow  https://www.youtube.com/@BBPTVShow   Vertical banded gastroplasty* NOTE: I had my short-time VBG in September 1983.. None of the early complications were the expected because the doctor caused a gastric leak, and tried to cover it up. 3 surgeries in three weeks.. and in the third.. he had another surgeon slit my throat and divert my esophagus out my neck -NOT a normal procedure.   Vertical banded gastroplasty (VBG), introduced by Mason in 1982, is now discarded because of important long-term complications and technical difficulties to do revisional surgery.    The rate of reintervention is high. Long-term complication can be severe, especially with gastric stenosis that could lead to esophageal cancer. A second reintervention could be technically demanding, especially by laparoscopy, and the patients should be referred to a specialized center.  

Transforming Pain into Poetry: A Discussion on Suicide, Hope, and Healing   In this emotionally rich episode of the Suicide Zen Forgiveness podcast, host Elaine Lindsay sits down with poet Icess Fernandez Roja to discuss her debut poetry collection, 'The Opposite of Breathing is Cement.' The collection explores themes of identity, love, mental illness, and suicide. Icess shares her personal journey of overcoming suicidal ideation and how it led to writing poetry as a means of healing and reaching out to others experiencing similar struggles. The conversation delves into the importance of breaking the stigma surrounding mental health and suicide, providing support for those in need, and the power of finding and sharing hope through creative expression. The episode highlights the significance of talking about mental health openly and using one's experiences to help others feel less alone. Icess's story is a testament to the strength found in vulnerability and the transformative potential of art in navigating the darkest of times.   00:00 Introducing Icess Fernandez Roja and Her Poetry on Mental Health 00:42 The Mission of Suicide Zen Forgiveness Podcast 01:25 A Deep Dive into Identity, Suicide, and Healing Through Poetry 08:29 The Journey from Darkness to Diagnosis 14:59 Finding Hope and Purpose Through Sharing and Connection 20:40 The Power of Kindness and Community in Healing 24:12 Using Art to Open Conversations on Mental Health 27:11 Revolutionizing Customer Service: A Personal Touch 28:23 The Power of Genuine Compliments 29:54 Breaking the Cycle of Robotic Interactions 30:50 The Impact of Positive Feedback 31:13 A Lesson in Kindness from a UPS Driver 33:06 Sharing a Poignant Poem 37:59 Navigating Depression and Suicide Ideation 40:15 Preemptive Measures Against Depression 48:11 Finding Hope in the Smallest Things 49:47 Concluding Thoughts and Gratitude Summary Icess Fernandez Rojas is a highly acclaimed international writer, Houston educator, and former journalist. Her debut poetry collection, "The Opposite of Breathing is Cement: Poetry and Prose," delves into the intricacies of life, touching on themes of healing, identity, love, and mental illness. A graduate of Goddard College's MFA program, Rojas's work has earned international recognition, gracing the pages of prestigious literary journals such as Queen Mobs Lit Journal, Poetry 24, PANK Magazine, Rabble Lit, Minerva Rising Literary Journal, and the Feminine Collective's anthology, "Notes from Humanity." Her compelling Houston-based story, "Happy Hunting," found a place in the esteemed "Houston Noir" anthology. Her latest work is called: "The Opposite of Breathing is Cement: Poetry and Prose" and is available in bookstores and online now. Notably, Rojas's nonfiction and memoir pieces have left an indelible mark in publications like Dear Hope, NBCNews.com, HuffPost, and the Guardian. Her exceptional contributions to the literary world have garnered her numerous accolades, including the Owl of Minerva Award, and she is celebrated as an alum of the VONA/Voices of Our Nation Arts Foundation, a Dos Brujas Workshop alum, a Kimbilio Fellow, and a member of the illustrious Yale Writers' Workshop. Website links: https://icessfernandez.com/ And the book links: Barnes and Noble:  https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/book/1144308727?ean=9798218280390   Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Opposite-Breathing-Cement-Poetry-Prose/dp/B0CMC722QG/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=2IZGWDNJ15SV1&keywords=the+opposite+of+breathing+is+cement%3A+poetry+%26+prose&qid=1699935853&sprefix=%2Caps%2C122&sr=8-1    Bookshop: https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-opposite-of-breathing-is-cement-poetry-prose-icess-fernandez-rojas/20765841

Transforming Pain into Poetry: A Discussion on Suicide, Hope, and Healing   In this emotionally rich episode of the Suicide Zen Forgiveness podcast, host Elaine Lindsay sits down with poet Icess Fernandez Roja to discuss her debut poetry collection, 'The Opposite of Breathing is Cement.' The collection explores themes of identity, love, mental illness, and suicide. Icess shares her personal journey of overcoming suicidal ideation and how it led to writing poetry as a means of healing and reaching out to others experiencing similar struggles. The conversation delves into the importance of breaking the stigma surrounding mental health and suicide, providing support for those in need, and the power of finding and sharing hope through creative expression. The episode highlights the significance of talking about mental health openly and using one's experiences to help others feel less alone. Icess's story is a testament to the strength found in vulnerability and the transformative potential of art in navigating the darkest of times.   00:00 Introducing Icess Fernandez Roja and Her Poetry on Mental Health 00:42 The Mission of Suicide Zen Forgiveness Podcast 01:25 A Deep Dive into Identity, Suicide, and Healing Through Poetry 08:29 The Journey from Darkness to Diagnosis 14:59 Finding Hope and Purpose Through Sharing and Connection 20:40 The Power of Kindness and Community in Healing 24:12 Using Art to Open Conversations on Mental Health 27:11 Revolutionizing Customer Service: A Personal Touch 28:23 The Power of Genuine Compliments 29:54 Breaking the Cycle of Robotic Interactions 30:50 The Impact of Positive Feedback 31:13 A Lesson in Kindness from a UPS Driver 33:06 Sharing a Poignant Poem 37:59 Navigating Depression and Suicide Ideation 40:15 Preemptive Measures Against Depression 48:11 Finding Hope in the Smallest Things 49:47 Concluding Thoughts and Gratitude Summary Icess Fernandez Rojas is a highly acclaimed international writer, Houston educator, and former journalist. Her debut poetry collection, "The Opposite of Breathing is Cement: Poetry and Prose," delves into the intricacies of life, touching on themes of healing, identity, love, and mental illness. A graduate of Goddard College's MFA program, Rojas's work has earned international recognition, gracing the pages of prestigious literary journals such as Queen Mobs Lit Journal, Poetry 24, PANK Magazine, Rabble Lit, Minerva Rising Literary Journal, and the Feminine Collective's anthology, "Notes from Humanity." Her compelling Houston-based story, "Happy Hunting," found a place in the esteemed "Houston Noir" anthology. Her latest work is called: "The Opposite of Breathing is Cement: Poetry and Prose" and is available in bookstores and online now. Notably, Rojas's nonfiction and memoir pieces have left an indelible mark in publications like Dear Hope, NBCNews.com, HuffPost, and the Guardian. Her exceptional contributions to the literary world have garnered her numerous accolades, including the Owl of Minerva Award, and she is celebrated as an alum of the VONA/Voices of Our Nation Arts Foundation, a Dos Brujas Workshop alum, a Kimbilio Fellow, and a member of the illustrious Yale Writers' Workshop. Website links: https://icessfernandez.com/ And the book links: Barnes and Noble:  https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/book/1144308727?ean=9798218280390   Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Opposite-Breathing-Cement-Poetry-Prose/dp/B0CMC722QG/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=2IZGWDNJ15SV1&keywords=the+opposite+of+breathing+is+cement%3A+poetry+%26+prose&qid=1699935853&sprefix=%2Caps%2C122&sr=8-1    Bookshop: https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-opposite-of-breathing-is-cement-poetry-prose-icess-fernandez-rojas/20765841

Navigating Grief and Finding Hope: A Deep Dive into Suicide Loss and Healing   In this episode of Suicide Zen Forgiveness, host Elaine Lindsay invites guest Deva Neely to share her poignant journey through trauma, loss, and personal growth. Deva, a former music and French teacher who lost her brother to suicide in 2013, discusses the profound impact this event had on her life, including the isolation and stigma she faced and how it launched her on a path to healing. Deva and Elaine address the taboo surrounding discussion of suicide, the importance of honest conversations about mental health, and the need for improving support systems. Deva, now a psychic medium, emphasizes the transformational power of reconnecting with her abilities to aid her healing process and assist others in navigating their grief. The episode highlights the critical role of education, resilience building, and open dialogue in preventing suicide and fostering a supportive community for those affected.   00:00 Introduction to Diva's Journey and Mission 02:23 The Impact of Suicide: Diva's Personal Story 03:25 Navigating Family Dynamics and Personal Healing 06:47 The Importance of Naming and Remembering Lost Loved Ones 09:55 Breaking the Silence: Discussing Suicide and Mental Health 20:20 The Role of Education and Support in Suicide Prevention 25:24 Addressing Trauma: From Personal Experience to Broader Implications 27:46 Understanding Trauma and Resilience 29:37 The Emotional Journey of Animals vs. Humans 31:49 The Struggles and Resilience of Teachers 38:37 The Importance of Mental Health Awareness 47:33 Connecting with the Beyond: A Psychic Medium's Journey 51:39 The Power of Connection and Kindness 55:29 Closing Thoughts and Acknowledgements Bio: Deva has worn many hats over the years including spending 20 years in the classroom teaching music and French and running her own performance academy to young, up and coming singers and actors. Life changed drastically for Deva when she lost her brother in 2013 to suicide. The trajectory of her life catapulted her into realms she wasn't expecting. On her grief journey she tapped back into a gift she had since childhood and it was her brother who helped her get it back. Deva is now a psychic medium and grief coach helping others on their grief journeys teaching people that death is not a finality. Deva now helps people tap into their own intuitive abilities to learn how to communicate with their departed loved ones, sealing the gap between the human and spirit worlds. Socials Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/deva.neely Grief Relief FB Group: www.facebook.com/groups/griefreliefwithdeva/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/Deva_Neely_ Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@devaneely4 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/deva-neely/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChL-_Xeuwnf9vPc9OEZdZNw   Website  https://stan.store/2Woo4U

Navigating Grief and Finding Hope: A Deep Dive into Suicide Loss and Healing   In this episode of Suicide Zen Forgiveness, host Elaine Lindsay invites guest Deva Neely to share her poignant journey through trauma, loss, and personal growth. Deva, a former music and French teacher who lost her brother to suicide in 2013, discusses the profound impact this event had on her life, including the isolation and stigma she faced and how it launched her on a path to healing. Deva and Elaine address the taboo surrounding discussion of suicide, the importance of honest conversations about mental health, and the need for improving support systems. Deva, now a psychic medium, emphasizes the transformational power of reconnecting with her abilities to aid her healing process and assist others in navigating their grief. The episode highlights the critical role of education, resilience building, and open dialogue in preventing suicide and fostering a supportive community for those affected.   00:00 Introduction to Diva's Journey and Mission 02:23 The Impact of Suicide: Diva's Personal Story 03:25 Navigating Family Dynamics and Personal Healing 06:47 The Importance of Naming and Remembering Lost Loved Ones 09:55 Breaking the Silence: Discussing Suicide and Mental Health 20:20 The Role of Education and Support in Suicide Prevention 25:24 Addressing Trauma: From Personal Experience to Broader Implications 27:46 Understanding Trauma and Resilience 29:37 The Emotional Journey of Animals vs. Humans 31:49 The Struggles and Resilience of Teachers 38:37 The Importance of Mental Health Awareness 47:33 Connecting with the Beyond: A Psychic Medium's Journey 51:39 The Power of Connection and Kindness 55:29 Closing Thoughts and Acknowledgements Bio: Deva has worn many hats over the years including spending 20 years in the classroom teaching music and French and running her own performance academy to young, up and coming singers and actors. Life changed drastically for Deva when she lost her brother in 2013 to suicide. The trajectory of her life catapulted her into realms she wasn't expecting. On her grief journey she tapped back into a gift she had since childhood and it was her brother who helped her get it back. Deva is now a psychic medium and grief coach helping others on their grief journeys teaching people that death is not a finality. Deva now helps people tap into their own intuitive abilities to learn how to communicate with their departed loved ones, sealing the gap between the human and spirit worlds. Socials Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/deva.neely Grief Relief FB Group: www.facebook.com/groups/griefreliefwithdeva/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/Deva_Neely_ Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@devaneely4 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/deva-neely/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChL-_Xeuwnf9vPc9OEZdZNw   Website  https://stan.store/2Woo4U

A Deep Dive into Mental Health, Suicide, and Personal Growth with David Amerland   In this episode of 'Suicide Zen Forgiveness,' host Elaine Lindsay engages in a comprehensive and thought-provoking conversation with David Amerland, an acclaimed author and speaker known for his works on business, marketing, and the intersection of neuroscience with critical decision-making. As the conversation unfolds, David shares insights from his diverse body of work, including the books 'Intentional' and 'The Sniper Mind,' touching on themes of emotional regulation, the importance of social connections, and the complex landscape of mental health and suicide. The discussion also reminisces about the unique community experience of Google Plus, reflecting on how digital platforms can foster community and support. Elaine and David reminisce about personal stories and professional findings, exploring how understanding our brains and emotions can lead to a more meaningful life. They advocate for the importance of discussing mental health openly, aiming to destigmatize topics surrounding suicide and encourage better societal support systems.   00:00 Meet David Amerland: A Deep Dive into His World 01:37 Launching into Suicide Zen Forgiveness Podcast 02:49 Revisiting the Google Plus Era: Community, Connection, and Impact 04:51 The Power of Social Connections for Mental Health 14:50 Exploring the Brain's Social Needs and Mental Health 29:42 Navigating the Complexities of Medicine and Personal Health 36:06 Exploring Misconceptions in Women's Health 37:01 The Evolution of Veterinary Medicine and Its Lessons 38:10 Comparing Animal and Human Medical Ethics 41:45 The Emotional Complexity of Euthanizing Pets 43:47 Understanding Suicide and Mental Health 51:40 The Journey of Personal Growth and Emotional Regulation 01:07:28 Closing Thoughts and Future Conversations   David's Bio David Amerland the author of eleven books on business, marketing and search including The Tribe That Discovered Trust and the best-selling Google Semantic Search. He writes for Inc.,  Forbes, and HP UK and blogs on his own website, DavidAmerland.com. When he is not writing or surfing the Web he spends time giving speeches internationally on how search, social media and branding are changing. He's the author of “The Sniper Mind” a deep dive in the world of neuroscience, critical decision making and brain analytics and their application in real-world business. His latest book is “Intentional: How To Live, Love, Work and Play Meaningfully”.   Links More on David Amerland's website: https://davidamerland.com Useful Books The Sniper Mind - https://www.amazon.com/Sniper-Mind-Eliminate-Uncertainty-Decisions/dp/1250113679 Intentional - https://www.amazon.com/Intentional-Live-Love-Work-Meaningfully/dp/1844811697 Social Media Presence: Twitter: https://twitter.com/DavidAmerland Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/david_amerland/ Threads: https://www.threads.net/@UCb3AQiS1IXzVImJGROFBhXg LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidamerland/ BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/davidamerland.bsky.social

A Deep Dive into Mental Health, Suicide, and Personal Growth with David Amerland   In this episode of 'Suicide Zen Forgiveness,' host Elaine Lindsay engages in a comprehensive and thought-provoking conversation with David Amerland, an acclaimed author and speaker known for his works on business, marketing, and the intersection of neuroscience with critical decision-making. As the conversation unfolds, David shares insights from his diverse body of work, including the books 'Intentional' and 'The Sniper Mind,' touching on themes of emotional regulation, the importance of social connections, and the complex landscape of mental health and suicide. The discussion also reminisces about the unique community experience of Google Plus, reflecting on how digital platforms can foster community and support. Elaine and David reminisce about personal stories and professional findings, exploring how understanding our brains and emotions can lead to a more meaningful life. They advocate for the importance of discussing mental health openly, aiming to destigmatize topics surrounding suicide and encourage better societal support systems.   00:00 Meet David Amerland: A Deep Dive into His World 01:37 Launching into Suicide Zen Forgiveness Podcast 02:49 Revisiting the Google Plus Era: Community, Connection, and Impact 04:51 The Power of Social Connections for Mental Health 14:50 Exploring the Brain's Social Needs and Mental Health 29:42 Navigating the Complexities of Medicine and Personal Health 36:06 Exploring Misconceptions in Women's Health 37:01 The Evolution of Veterinary Medicine and Its Lessons 38:10 Comparing Animal and Human Medical Ethics 41:45 The Emotional Complexity of Euthanizing Pets 43:47 Understanding Suicide and Mental Health 51:40 The Journey of Personal Growth and Emotional Regulation 01:07:28 Closing Thoughts and Future Conversations   David's Bio David Amerland the author of eleven books on business, marketing and search including The Tribe That Discovered Trust and the best-selling Google Semantic Search. He writes for Inc.,  Forbes, and HP UK and blogs on his own website, DavidAmerland.com. When he is not writing or surfing the Web he spends time giving speeches internationally on how search, social media and branding are changing. He's the author of “The Sniper Mind” a deep dive in the world of neuroscience, critical decision making and brain analytics and their application in real-world business. His latest book is “Intentional: How To Live, Love, Work and Play Meaningfully”.   Links More on David Amerland's website: https://davidamerland.com Useful Books The Sniper Mind - https://www.amazon.com/Sniper-Mind-Eliminate-Uncertainty-Decisions/dp/1250113679 Intentional - https://www.amazon.com/Intentional-Live-Love-Work-Meaningfully/dp/1844811697 Social Media Presence: Twitter: https://twitter.com/DavidAmerland Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/david_amerland/ Threads: https://www.threads.net/@UCb3AQiS1IXzVImJGROFBhXg LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidamerland/ BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/davidamerland.bsky.social

The Power of Humor in Suicide Prevention: An Enlightening Conversation with Frank King   This episode of the Suicide Zen Forgiveness podcast features Frank King, a renowned speaker on suicide prevention, former Tonight Show writer, and TEDx trainer. Hosted by Elaine Lindsay, the discussion delves into Frank's journey from comedy to suicide prevention, highlighting his personal experiences with suicidal ideation and how humor can offer a rare comfort and connection to those struggling with similar issues. Frank shares powerful anecdotes illustrating the profound impact of openly discussing mental health and suicide, emphasizing the importance of language, empathy, and understanding mental health nuances. The conversation also touches on the significance of pets in providing a sense of responsibility and preventing suicide. Additionally, Frank's work, including his upcoming book and his remarkable record of delivering TEDx talks, is discussed, showcasing his dedication to breaking the stigma surrounding mental health and suicide through comedy and heartfelt storytelling.   00:00 Breaking the Stigma: Humor, Healing, and Hope 01:31 Introducing the Suicide Zen Forgiveness Podcast 02:03 Personal Journeys and the Power of Sharing 05:04 Frank King's Impact and the Importance of Talking About Suicide 09:28 The Stigma Around Mental Health and Suicide 10:04 Using Humor to Address Serious Topics 15:56 Frank King's Career Highlights and Contributions 19:07 The Evolution and Importance of Audiobooks 23:52 Navigating the Quirks of Pronunciation 25:28 The Impact of Generational Language Shifts 26:54 Exploring Regional Dialects and Mispronunciations 28:20 The Evolution of Language and Communication 29:29 The Value of Education and Personal Growth 35:16 The Importance of Pets in Developing Empathy 37:20 Addressing Mental Health with Humor and Hope 45:00 Wrapping Up with Gratitude and Humor   About Frank  "You can make a difference. You can save a life. I can show you how." ~Frank King  Now  with 12 TEDx under his belt, Frank King has a new one coming in Nov this year. In 2016 Frank King began coaching potential TEDx Talkers, when a number of his speaker coaching clients approached him and asked if he would coach them on scoring a TEDx Talk opportunity. Since then, those half-dozen clients have all done their first TEDx Talk, one of those is scheduled to do her second early in 2019, and four of them are also in the second round of auditions for Duke TEDx!   Frank King was a writer for the Tonight Show for 20 years, and he holds the record for the longest non-stop comedy club road trip ever. Beginning the day after Christmas in 1985, he and his wife (who must have the patience of Job) were on the road 2,629 nights in a row, comedy club to comedy club and cheap motel room to cheap motel room, with no home, just a PO Box and voice mail.   Along the way he worked with Jerry Seinfeld, Jeff Foxworthy, Ron White, Adam Sandler, Dennis Miller, Ellen DeGeneres, Rosie O'Donnell, Kevin Nealon, Bill Engval, Dr. Ken Joeng, Rita Sirleaf and Kevin James among others.   Socials Links etc   858.405.5653   http://www.TheMentalHealthComedian.com http://www.YourTEDxCoach.com    http://www.facebook.com/thementalhealthcomedian http://www.instagram.com/mentalhealthcomedian http://www.twitter.com/theMHcomedian https://www.youtube.com/thementalhealthcomedian https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankkingthemhcomedian   Born to Be Funny https://youtu.be/mugOzr6ItFk Mental With Benefits https://youtu.be/mCnsHSdAn48 A Matter of Laugh or Death https://youtu.be/IeMg6OFYfU0 Suicide, The Secret of My Success https://youtu.be/3D4m33DXtsI Suicide-ality.. Its always an option for issues large and small

The Power of Humor in Suicide Prevention: An Enlightening Conversation with Frank King   This episode of the Suicide Zen Forgiveness podcast features Frank King, a renowned speaker on suicide prevention, former Tonight Show writer, and TEDx trainer. Hosted by Elaine Lindsay, the discussion delves into Frank's journey from comedy to suicide prevention, highlighting his personal experiences with suicidal ideation and how humor can offer a rare comfort and connection to those struggling with similar issues. Frank shares powerful anecdotes illustrating the profound impact of openly discussing mental health and suicide, emphasizing the importance of language, empathy, and understanding mental health nuances. The conversation also touches on the significance of pets in providing a sense of responsibility and preventing suicide. Additionally, Frank's work, including his upcoming book and his remarkable record of delivering TEDx talks, is discussed, showcasing his dedication to breaking the stigma surrounding mental health and suicide through comedy and heartfelt storytelling.   00:00 Breaking the Stigma: Humor, Healing, and Hope 01:31 Introducing the Suicide Zen Forgiveness Podcast 02:03 Personal Journeys and the Power of Sharing 05:04 Frank King's Impact and the Importance of Talking About Suicide 09:28 The Stigma Around Mental Health and Suicide 10:04 Using Humor to Address Serious Topics 15:56 Frank King's Career Highlights and Contributions 19:07 The Evolution and Importance of Audiobooks 23:52 Navigating the Quirks of Pronunciation 25:28 The Impact of Generational Language Shifts 26:54 Exploring Regional Dialects and Mispronunciations 28:20 The Evolution of Language and Communication 29:29 The Value of Education and Personal Growth 35:16 The Importance of Pets in Developing Empathy 37:20 Addressing Mental Health with Humor and Hope 45:00 Wrapping Up with Gratitude and Humor   About Frank  "You can make a difference. You can save a life. I can show you how." ~Frank King  Now  with 12 TEDx under his belt, Frank King has a new one coming in Nov this year. In 2016 Frank King began coaching potential TEDx Talkers, when a number of his speaker coaching clients approached him and asked if he would coach them on scoring a TEDx Talk opportunity. Since then, those half-dozen clients have all done their first TEDx Talk, one of those is scheduled to do her second early in 2019, and four of them are also in the second round of auditions for Duke TEDx!   Frank King was a writer for the Tonight Show for 20 years, and he holds the record for the longest non-stop comedy club road trip ever. Beginning the day after Christmas in 1985, he and his wife (who must have the patience of Job) were on the road 2,629 nights in a row, comedy club to comedy club and cheap motel room to cheap motel room, with no home, just a PO Box and voice mail.   Along the way he worked with Jerry Seinfeld, Jeff Foxworthy, Ron White, Adam Sandler, Dennis Miller, Ellen DeGeneres, Rosie O'Donnell, Kevin Nealon, Bill Engval, Dr. Ken Joeng, Rita Sirleaf and Kevin James among others.   Socials Links etc   858.405.5653   http://www.TheMentalHealthComedian.com http://www.YourTEDxCoach.com    http://www.facebook.com/thementalhealthcomedian http://www.instagram.com/mentalhealthcomedian http://www.twitter.com/theMHcomedian https://www.youtube.com/thementalhealthcomedian https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankkingthemhcomedian   Born to Be Funny https://youtu.be/mugOzr6ItFk Mental With Benefits https://youtu.be/mCnsHSdAn48 A Matter of Laugh or Death https://youtu.be/IeMg6OFYfU0 Suicide, The Secret of My Success https://youtu.be/3D4m33DXtsI Suicide-ality.. Its always an option for issues large and small

In this powerful episode of The Power to Pivot Podcast, we dive deep into the taboo topics of suicide, mental health, and overcoming grief. Elaine Lindsay, who lost a dear friend to suicide at the age of 16, shares her personal journey and practical insights. As the host of Suicide Zen Forgiveness Podcast, she brings hope and understanding to those who have faced similar struggles. Elaine is on a mission to end the silence, stigma, and shame around suicide, suicidal ideation, and mental health. On this episode: Discover how we can work together to change the narrative around seeking help, transforming it into a sign of strength and a norm for everyone, regardless of age. Recognize that, no matter how loud or persistent, our thoughts are not always reflections of reality.   Remember that our feelings are the powerful drivers of our actions and experiences. Learning to acknowledge and process our emotions—letting them flow and then letting them go—is vital.  Connect with Elaine Lindsay and Suicide Zen Forgiveness: Website: https://www.szf42.com/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClV5_qjVaeGzg5qgxSe4ALQ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/suicidezenforgiveness/ On The Power to Pivot Podcast, we chat with inspiring individuals who've made remarkable shifts in their lives. Whether it's overcoming obstacles, pursuing passions, or finding purpose, their stories will ignite your own journey. Each week, host Elizabeth A. Miles helps teach you how to dance with fear, step by step. Imagine the freedom when fear no longer holds you back! March Forth Media Company is the place where passionate and compassionate lightworkers come to collaborate, share, and grow their businesses.  We're a catalyst for change and empowerment, fostering connections, and inspiring purpose and progress.  We heal and collaborate, together, for a better world. We are driven to create an impactful platform where all voices are heard and valued, ideas flourish, and positive transformation takes root.  Connect with us online: Website: www.marchforthmediacompany.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marchforthmediaco TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@marchforthmediaco?lang=en YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6WLVN5JeUgwqRv11epyiqQYouTube: --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/powertopivotpodcast/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/powertopivotpodcast/support

For the past 15 years, Susan Stewart has been entertaining and inspiring audiences across North America. Susan is best known for her ability to make people laugh while helping them to meet their challenges with a sense of humour. Susan is the author of 3 books including her latest title, You Gotta Laugh: Wit And Wisdom About Not Taking Life (Or Yourself) Too Seriously. Susan's podcast, Still A Hot Mess, and her comedy album, Relentless, are available on iTunes and Spotify. You can learn more about Susan at susanstewart.ca   Links: www.susanstewart.ca  Instagram: @susanistewart Facebook: ComedianSusanStewart X: SusanIStewart LinkedIn: susanstewartcomedian  YouTube: @SusanStewartToronto  Show Notes Humor, Healing, and Hope: A Comedian's Battle with Mental Health   In this episode of 'Suicide Zen Forgiveness,' host Elaine Lindsay talks to Susan Stewart, a Canadian comedian and author, best known for her humorous approach to overcoming life's challenges. Susan discusses her personal journey with mental health issues, including clinical depression that led her to quit comedy 20 years ago. She talks about the importance of not taking life too seriously, the healing power of laughter, and how she uses comedy to deal with and educate others about mental health. Susan shares her story of recovery from a recent mental health crisis, emphasizing the role of medication, therapy, and the support of loved ones. The conversation highlights how comedy can be a therapeutic tool, bringing light to the struggles many face with mental health, and aiming to destigmatize mental illness through laughter and open discussion. Finally, Susan talks about her new comedy show, 'A bit more than a rough patch,' focused on mental health, and her plans to raise awareness and funds by touring. The episode is sponsored by several organizations and individuals supporting mental health initiatives and suicide awareness.   00:00 Introducing the Guest: A Comedian with a Message 00:50 The Mission of Suicide Zen Forgiveness Podcast 01:23 Meet Susan Stewart: Comedian, Author, and Speaker 03:24 Susan's Journey Through Comedy and Mental Health 05:28 The Healing Power of Comedy and Self-Deprecation 11:08 Susan's Recent Mental Health Crisis and Recovery 14:01 The Importance of Managing Our Inner Critic 21:41 Susan's New Show: A Comedy Take on Mental Health 26:09 Taking the Show on the Road: A Journey Through Mental Health Awareness 28:57 The Power of Comedy in Conveying Hard Truths 31:55 Navigating the New Normal: Comedy, Mental Health, and the Pandemic 32:50 The Global Impact of COVID-19 on Mental Health and Society 40:26 Adapting to Change: The Shift to Virtual Platforms and the Importance of Laughter 43:42 Finding Hope and Resilience in the Face of Adversity 45:51 Closing Thoughts and Acknowledgements  

For the past 15 years, Susan Stewart has been entertaining and inspiring audiences across North America. Susan is best known for her ability to make people laugh while helping them to meet their challenges with a sense of humour. Susan is the author of 3 books including her latest title, You Gotta Laugh: Wit And Wisdom About Not Taking Life (Or Yourself) Too Seriously. Susan's podcast, Still A Hot Mess, and her comedy album, Relentless, are available on iTunes and Spotify. You can learn more about Susan at susanstewart.ca   Links: www.susanstewart.ca  Instagram: @susanistewart Facebook: ComedianSusanStewart X: SusanIStewart LinkedIn: susanstewartcomedian  YouTube: @SusanStewartToronto  Show Notes Humor, Healing, and Hope: A Comedian's Battle with Mental Health   In this episode of 'Suicide Zen Forgiveness,' host Elaine Lindsay talks to Susan Stewart, a Canadian comedian and author, best known for her humorous approach to overcoming life's challenges. Susan discusses her personal journey with mental health issues, including clinical depression that led her to quit comedy 20 years ago. She talks about the importance of not taking life too seriously, the healing power of laughter, and how she uses comedy to deal with and educate others about mental health. Susan shares her story of recovery from a recent mental health crisis, emphasizing the role of medication, therapy, and the support of loved ones. The conversation highlights how comedy can be a therapeutic tool, bringing light to the struggles many face with mental health, and aiming to destigmatize mental illness through laughter and open discussion. Finally, Susan talks about her new comedy show, 'A bit more than a rough patch,' focused on mental health, and her plans to raise awareness and funds by touring. The episode is sponsored by several organizations and individuals supporting mental health initiatives and suicide awareness.   00:00 Introducing the Guest: A Comedian with a Message 00:50 The Mission of Suicide Zen Forgiveness Podcast 01:23 Meet Susan Stewart: Comedian, Author, and Speaker 03:24 Susan's Journey Through Comedy and Mental Health 05:28 The Healing Power of Comedy and Self-Deprecation 11:08 Susan's Recent Mental Health Crisis and Recovery 14:01 The Importance of Managing Our Inner Critic 21:41 Susan's New Show: A Comedy Take on Mental Health 26:09 Taking the Show on the Road: A Journey Through Mental Health Awareness 28:57 The Power of Comedy in Conveying Hard Truths 31:55 Navigating the New Normal: Comedy, Mental Health, and the Pandemic 32:50 The Global Impact of COVID-19 on Mental Health and Society 40:26 Adapting to Change: The Shift to Virtual Platforms and the Importance of Laughter 43:42 Finding Hope and Resilience in the Face of Adversity 45:51 Closing Thoughts and Acknowledgements  

Sharing Stories and Breaking Stigmas: An Inspiring Conversation with Michael Wood on Suicide Zen Forgiveness   In this episode of Suicide Zen Forgiveness, host Elaine Lindsay welcomes guest Michael Wood to discuss his experiences with suicide and mental health, primarily focusing on his late brother, Jeff. Elaine emphasizes the importance of normalizing conversations around these topics to end the silence, stigma, and shame associated with them. Michael recounts his brother's struggles with addiction, triggered by the pandemic's restrictions. Citing his own experiences in the music industry, he signals the potential harms of excessive money and hedonistic lifestyle. The podcast also addresses the inadequacy of emergency services in transferring distress calls across cities, highlighting Michael's proactive efforts to modernize this system, inspired by his own inability to offer immediate help for his brother. Lastly, both Elaine and Michael urge listeners to reach out for assistance, to be aware of individual struggles, and promote kindness.   0:00 Lightening the Load: Finding Strength in Shared Stories Michael Wood  S7 E5 00:57 Introduction and Guest Welcome 01:10 Personal Connection and Conversation Flow 02:02 Michael's Story: His Brother's Life and Challenges 06:08 Michael's Personal Journey and Career 06:39 Remembering Jeff Wood 07:12 Comparing Personalities and Lifestyles 08:58 Michael's Music Career and Encounters 11:31 The Importance of Connection and Support 12:35 The Challenges of Emergency Services 12:47 Michael's Advocacy for 911 Call Transfer 16:17 Personal Experiences with Emergency Services 19:02 Continued Advocacy and Achievements 19:48 The Impact of Personal Loss 22:49 The Importance of Reaching Out and Kindness 30:41 Conclusion and Final Thoughts  

Sharing Stories and Breaking Stigmas: An Inspiring Conversation with Michael Wood on Suicide Zen Forgiveness   In this episode of Suicide Zen Forgiveness, host Elaine Lindsay welcomes guest Michael Wood to discuss his experiences with suicide and mental health, primarily focusing on his late brother, Jeff. Elaine emphasizes the importance of normalizing conversations around these topics to end the silence, stigma, and shame associated with them. Michael recounts his brother's struggles with addiction, triggered by the pandemic's restrictions. Citing his own experiences in the music industry, he signals the potential harms of excessive money and hedonistic lifestyle. The podcast also addresses the inadequacy of emergency services in transferring distress calls across cities, highlighting Michael's proactive efforts to modernize this system, inspired by his own inability to offer immediate help for his brother. Lastly, both Elaine and Michael urge listeners to reach out for assistance, to be aware of individual struggles, and promote kindness.   0:00 Lightening the Load: Finding Strength in Shared Stories Michael Wood  S7 E5 00:57 Introduction and Guest Welcome 01:10 Personal Connection and Conversation Flow 02:02 Michael's Story: His Brother's Life and Challenges 06:08 Michael's Personal Journey and Career 06:39 Remembering Jeff Wood 07:12 Comparing Personalities and Lifestyles 08:58 Michael's Music Career and Encounters 11:31 The Importance of Connection and Support 12:35 The Challenges of Emergency Services 12:47 Michael's Advocacy for 911 Call Transfer 16:17 Personal Experiences with Emergency Services 19:02 Continued Advocacy and Achievements 19:48 The Impact of Personal Loss 22:49 The Importance of Reaching Out and Kindness 30:41 Conclusion and Final Thoughts  

The Power of Positivity and Gratitude in Overcoming Mental Health Struggles and Cancer   In this episode of the Suicide Zen Forgiveness podcast, host Elaine Lindsay speaks with Losa McCoy. The conversation broaches the subjects of suicide ideation, mental health, depression, and Losa's personal battle with stage two breast cancer. The episode sheds light on the importance of eradicating stigma associated with mental health struggles, fostering empathy and understanding amongst caregivers, families, and society at large. They stress adopting mindfulness and gratitude as personal practices, and discuss the significance of empathetic human connection, importance of instilling gratitude, and changing stigmatized narratives surrounding mental health for future generations. The episode concludes with the call to appreciation for life, even amidst challenges and pain.   00:00 Introduction to Suicide Zen Forgiveness Podcast 00:56 Introducing the Guest: Losa McCoy 01:41 Losa's Battle with Depression, Suicide Ideation, and Cancer 02:31 The Impact of Cancer on Family and the Concept of 'Mom Guilt' 05:00 The Struggles of Parenting While Battling Cancer 08:56 The Loneliness of the Cancer Battle and the Importance of Support 09:49 Suicide Ideation Amidst the Cancer Battle 11:00 The Importance of Self-Care and Mindfulness in Overcoming Challenges 16:48 The Need for Open Conversations about Suicide and Mental Health 20:02 The Stigma of Mental Health and the Need for Change 27:04 The Importance of Empathy in Healthcare 28:13 Personal Experiences with Medical Stigmatization 29:20 The Power of Human Connection 29:45 Discussing the Works of Renee Brown 31:10 The Struggles of Medical Procedures 33:16 The Journey from Medical Field to Computers 36:11 The Power of Mindfulness 46:02 The Importance of Gratitude 48:08 Closing Remarks and Appreciation 48:54 Podcast Outro and Sponsor Acknowledgements Losa's journey is a testament to the power of personal growth and healing. Drawing from a profound well of life experiences, she has emerged not only as a survivor but as a beacon of hope for those navigating their own paths of transformation. Her story, marked by trials and triumphs, has cultivated a deep understanding of the human spirit and a genuine empathy for the struggles that shape us all. As the luminary force behind From Suffering to Serenity, Losa has created a sanctuary where individuals embark on a transformative journey toward inner peace and well-being. Her holistic approach embraces the mind, body, and spirit, offering a diverse range of tools and practices tailored to each unique individual seeking solace. BIO Losa's commitment to fostering an environment of growth extends beyond her professional endeavors. She is not only a mentor but a compassionate guide, walking alongside others as they navigate the intricate path from suffering to serenity. Her passion for empowering others to reclaim their lives is evident in every facet of her work. Email: Losa@fromsufferingtoserenity.com Phone: 1-801-631-4002 SOCIALS Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/losa.c.mccoy  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/losachristie21/  Pinterest: https://www.pinterest.com/lcmccoy1  X (Twitter): https://twitter.com/LosaMccoy2175 

The Power of Positivity and Gratitude in Overcoming Mental Health Struggles and Cancer   In this episode of the Suicide Zen Forgiveness podcast, host Elaine Lindsay speaks with Losa McCoy. The conversation broaches the subjects of suicide ideation, mental health, depression, and Losa's personal battle with stage two breast cancer. The episode sheds light on the importance of eradicating stigma associated with mental health struggles, fostering empathy and understanding amongst caregivers, families, and society at large. They stress adopting mindfulness and gratitude as personal practices, and discuss the significance of empathetic human connection, importance of instilling gratitude, and changing stigmatized narratives surrounding mental health for future generations. The episode concludes with the call to appreciation for life, even amidst challenges and pain.   00:00 Introduction to Suicide Zen Forgiveness Podcast 00:56 Introducing the Guest: Losa McCoy 01:41 Losa's Battle with Depression, Suicide Ideation, and Cancer 02:31 The Impact of Cancer on Family and the Concept of 'Mom Guilt' 05:00 The Struggles of Parenting While Battling Cancer 08:56 The Loneliness of the Cancer Battle and the Importance of Support 09:49 Suicide Ideation Amidst the Cancer Battle 11:00 The Importance of Self-Care and Mindfulness in Overcoming Challenges 16:48 The Need for Open Conversations about Suicide and Mental Health 20:02 The Stigma of Mental Health and the Need for Change 27:04 The Importance of Empathy in Healthcare 28:13 Personal Experiences with Medical Stigmatization 29:20 The Power of Human Connection 29:45 Discussing the Works of Renee Brown 31:10 The Struggles of Medical Procedures 33:16 The Journey from Medical Field to Computers 36:11 The Power of Mindfulness 46:02 The Importance of Gratitude 48:08 Closing Remarks and Appreciation 48:54 Podcast Outro and Sponsor Acknowledgements Losa's journey is a testament to the power of personal growth and healing. Drawing from a profound well of life experiences, she has emerged not only as a survivor but as a beacon of hope for those navigating their own paths of transformation. Her story, marked by trials and triumphs, has cultivated a deep understanding of the human spirit and a genuine empathy for the struggles that shape us all. As the luminary force behind From Suffering to Serenity, Losa has created a sanctuary where individuals embark on a transformative journey toward inner peace and well-being. Her holistic approach embraces the mind, body, and spirit, offering a diverse range of tools and practices tailored to each unique individual seeking solace. BIO Losa's commitment to fostering an environment of growth extends beyond her professional endeavors. She is not only a mentor but a compassionate guide, walking alongside others as they navigate the intricate path from suffering to serenity. Her passion for empowering others to reclaim their lives is evident in every facet of her work. Email: Losa@fromsufferingtoserenity.com Phone: 1-801-631-4002 SOCIALS Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/losa.c.mccoy  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/losachristie21/  Pinterest: https://www.pinterest.com/lcmccoy1  X (Twitter): https://twitter.com/LosaMccoy2175 

Deeper Conversations about Mental Health, Grief, and Education In this episode of Suicide Zen Forgiveness, host Elaine Lindsay talks to death doula Jill McClennan about ending the stigma around suicide and mental health. Despite societal norms, they delve deep into the importance of opening up about grief and pain. They also talk about the critical role of educating children not only about suicide or death but also about understanding their thoughts and feelings. Furthermore, they discuss how societal judgment often causes certain actions and how addressing the root cause could bring about positive change. Lastly, the conversation illuminates the shortcomings of societal norms on victim-blaming and the urgent need for empathy and community support.   00:00 Introduction to Suicide Zen Forgiveness Podcast 00:11 The Importance of Normalizing Conversations about Suicide and Mental Health 01:00 Introducing Guest Speaker: Jill McClennan 01:52 The Importance of Conversations about Death and Dying 02:54 Personal Experiences with Grief and Loss 03:26 The Impact of Unprocessed Grief 05:05 The Unique Grief of Losing a Pet 09:23 The Importance of Honest Conversations about Grief 12:17 The Impact of Divorce and Absent Parents on Children 17:07 The Importance of Honesty and Openness in Parenting 23:14 The Need for Better Mental Health Education 25:45 The Role of Meditation and Self-Reflection in Mental Health 28:33 The Impact of External Influences on Our Thoughts 28:56 The Cyclical Nature of Life and Adaptability 29:31 The Power of Choice and Empowerment in Thought 30:04 Understanding the Spectrum of Human Behavior 30:49 The Strength in Being Different 31:44 The Struggle with Unprocessed Trauma 33:19 The Importance of Addressing Root Causes 34:16 The Power of Self-Reflection and Processing Trauma 34:50 The Challenge of Society's Expectations 36:52 The Impact of Victim Blaming 42:05 The Importance of Teaching Life Skills 45:05 Closing Remarks and Future Conversations 46:04 The Power of Community and Uplifting Each Other 47:26 Post-Show Notes and Acknowledgements   Jill McClennen is a certified death doula, grief coach, and the "Seeing Death Clearly" podcast host. Jill offers compassionate support, practical preparation, and deep emotional healing to clients and their families. She provides her services in person as well as virtually. Beyond her role as a death doula, Jill is also a trauma-sensitive yoga instructor. She incorporates movement, reiki, and shamanic healing techniques to assist clients in addressing their fears surrounding death, coping with grief, and finding peace around the end of life. Her journey as a death doula has profoundly shaped Jill's perspective on life's priorities. This transformation fuels her mission of helping others clarify their core values, regardless of the time they have left. Through her podcast, Jill engages in meaningful discussions with various guests about death, dying, grief, and how to live life fully. She advocates for open, honest dialogues about death, dying, and grief among friends and loved ones, including age-appropriate discussions with children from an early age.   https://www.endoflifeclarity.com https://m.facebook.com/endoflifeclarity https://www.facebook.com/groups/endoflifeclaritycircle/ http://www.instagram.com/endoflifeclarity https://www.linkedin.com/in/jillmcclennen https://www.tiktok.com/@endoflifeclarity https://seeingdeathclearly.buzzsprout.com Jill C. McClennen Death Doula - Death and Grief Coach - Podcast Host https://www.endoflifeclarity.com Seeing Death Clearly Podcast

Deeper Conversations about Mental Health, Grief, and Education In this episode of Suicide Zen Forgiveness, host Elaine Lindsay talks to death doula Jill McClennan about ending the stigma around suicide and mental health. Despite societal norms, they delve deep into the importance of opening up about grief and pain. They also talk about the critical role of educating children not only about suicide or death but also about understanding their thoughts and feelings. Furthermore, they discuss how societal judgment often causes certain actions and how addressing the root cause could bring about positive change. Lastly, the conversation illuminates the shortcomings of societal norms on victim-blaming and the urgent need for empathy and community support.   00:00 Introduction to Suicide Zen Forgiveness Podcast 00:11 The Importance of Normalizing Conversations about Suicide and Mental Health 01:00 Introducing Guest Speaker: Jill McClennan 01:52 The Importance of Conversations about Death and Dying 02:54 Personal Experiences with Grief and Loss 03:26 The Impact of Unprocessed Grief 05:05 The Unique Grief of Losing a Pet 09:23 The Importance of Honest Conversations about Grief 12:17 The Impact of Divorce and Absent Parents on Children 17:07 The Importance of Honesty and Openness in Parenting 23:14 The Need for Better Mental Health Education 25:45 The Role of Meditation and Self-Reflection in Mental Health 28:33 The Impact of External Influences on Our Thoughts 28:56 The Cyclical Nature of Life and Adaptability 29:31 The Power of Choice and Empowerment in Thought 30:04 Understanding the Spectrum of Human Behavior 30:49 The Strength in Being Different 31:44 The Struggle with Unprocessed Trauma 33:19 The Importance of Addressing Root Causes 34:16 The Power of Self-Reflection and Processing Trauma 34:50 The Challenge of Society's Expectations 36:52 The Impact of Victim Blaming 42:05 The Importance of Teaching Life Skills 45:05 Closing Remarks and Future Conversations 46:04 The Power of Community and Uplifting Each Other 47:26 Post-Show Notes and Acknowledgements   Jill McClennen is a certified death doula, grief coach, and the "Seeing Death Clearly" podcast host. Jill offers compassionate support, practical preparation, and deep emotional healing to clients and their families. She provides her services in person as well as virtually. Beyond her role as a death doula, Jill is also a trauma-sensitive yoga instructor. She incorporates movement, reiki, and shamanic healing techniques to assist clients in addressing their fears surrounding death, coping with grief, and finding peace around the end of life. Her journey as a death doula has profoundly shaped Jill's perspective on life's priorities. This transformation fuels her mission of helping others clarify their core values, regardless of the time they have left. Through her podcast, Jill engages in meaningful discussions with various guests about death, dying, grief, and how to live life fully. She advocates for open, honest dialogues about death, dying, and grief among friends and loved ones, including age-appropriate discussions with children from an early age.   https://www.endoflifeclarity.com https://m.facebook.com/endoflifeclarity https://www.facebook.com/groups/endoflifeclaritycircle/ http://www.instagram.com/endoflifeclarity https://www.linkedin.com/in/jillmcclennen https://www.tiktok.com/@endoflifeclarity https://seeingdeathclearly.buzzsprout.com Jill C. McClennen Death Doula - Death and Grief Coach - Podcast Host https://www.endoflifeclarity.com Seeing Death Clearly Podcast

Surviving Against All Odds: Madeline Michelle Carthen's Battle with the U.S. Government Elaine Lindsay, host of Suicide Zen Forgiveness, discusses with Madeline Michelle Carthen her 16-year-long battle with various government agencies that erroneously declared her dead. Madeline details her enormous efforts to prove her existence, from learning law to appearing in court. Despite the harrowing experience and its toll on her mental health, Madeline remains resilient and is determined to eventually get in front of the Ways and Measures Committee to rectify the error. She also observes the security flaws in governmental systems and suggests possible improvements. The conversation extends to discuss the value of faith in difficult times, the importance of personal resilience, and the power of hope. 00:00 Introduction to Suicide Zen Forgiveness Podcast 00:17 Elaine Lindsay's Mission and Podcast Disclaimer 01:11 Introduction to the Episode and Guest 03:07 Guest's Personal Story: The Beginning 03:56 The Unfolding Mystery: Declared Dead 06:49 The Struggles and Consequences of Being 'Dead' 09:47 Media Coverage and Legal Battles 14:15 The Impact on Personal Life and Mental Health 22:14 The Search for a Solution: Legal Research and Self-Representation 23:57 The Struggle with Erroneous Death Letters 24:42 The Impact of Identity Errors on Personal Life 25:51 Navigating Legal Challenges and Name Change 27:25 The Aftermath of Name Change and Identity Restoration 29:18 The Media Attention and Its Consequences 30:42 The Ongoing Battle with Social Security Administration 31:31 The Intricacies of Identity Theft and Financial Impact 32:26 The Struggle with Government Agencies and Privacy Breaches 36:08 The Discovery of Unclaimed Benefits and Financial Anomalies 38:57 The Plan to Approach Congress and Future Aspirations 39:59 The Continuous Breaches and the Fight for Privacy 41:14 Closing Remarks and Call to Action   People  Article New York Post    BIO Proficient in Entrepreneurship, Urban ministry and mentorship, Madeline-Michelle continuously works with men, women, and at-risk youth in urban communities who have been limited in their spiritual and mental growth.  She understands more of youths' nature stems from their societal hindrances and their environment, since she has traveled throughout West Africa and supporting her South India international ministry. Professionally, Madeline-Madeline experience varies and includes working with Fortune 500 companies, schools, and the Information Systems Technology Department at Florissant Valley Community College in St. Louis.  Madeline-Michelle have been a 29 year volunteer, spiritual advisor and advocate throughout the Missouri Eastern Region Department of Correction Institution.  She have received the Volunteer of the Year award for diligently volunteering her time as a spiritual mentor to incarcerated men and women. For five years, Madeline-Madeline served as an associate minister and “right arm” for her former pastor at Covenant Church Christian Center, before being ordained as a minister in June 1999. Later, as a full-time minister, Carthen who also is an advocate for justice and public safety has helped implement pilot training programs for probation staff and coordinators in the City of St. Louis Department of Corrections.  She served as a Certified Mentor working with St. Louis County Juvenile Detention Center. Madeline-Michelle, role was to conducting weekly, non-custodial fathers support group meetings at the St. Louis County Justice Center with the assistance of the Father Support Center reunifying families. Madeline-Madeline a former Associate Pastor affiliated with United Methodist Church (UMC) in, Missouri and the youngest of three siblings. At the age of 24 years old, she dedicated herself to Christian ministry full-time.   Madeline-Madeline graduated from the Adults in Ministry program at St. Louis Christian College, where she minored in Urban Christian Ministry.  She was a former Master of Divinity candidate attending Eden Theological Seminary.  Soon after a few years Madeline-Michelle enrolled as a professional student who was appointed as an Ambassador through Missouri Trade and Business Office.  This appointment was on behalf of Webster University International Business Intern Exchange Program that granted Madeline the opportunity to study Entrepreneurship with a Minor in International Business at Legon University in Accra Ghana.   Minister Madeline-Madeline: Carthen, a published author who is still advocating her life existence with the hope of her identity being restored. The U.S. Social Security Administration declared her deceased over 16 years ago in Missouri. Formerly known as -Rev. Madeline M. Coburn: books, biography, latest update Look for a copy @ CreateSpace.com Amazon.com Bakers and Taylor BarnesandNoble.com Borders.com Target.com C.R.I.E.D A Pastor's Life Behind Bars Credentials: Ordained Minister Entreprenuer  Author  Public Speaker    CONTACT: Madeline-Michelle: Carthen EMAIL: MMCOBURN1@GMAIL.COM  +1(314) 546-9388   Facebook: madeline michelle carthen LinkedIn: carthencornerstonesolutions

Surviving Against All Odds: Madeline Michelle Carthen's Battle with the U.S. Government Elaine Lindsay, host of Suicide Zen Forgiveness, discusses with Madeline Michelle Carthen her 16-year-long battle with various government agencies that erroneously declared her dead. Madeline details her enormous efforts to prove her existence, from learning law to appearing in court. Despite the harrowing experience and its toll on her mental health, Madeline remains resilient and is determined to eventually get in front of the Ways and Measures Committee to rectify the error. She also observes the security flaws in governmental systems and suggests possible improvements. The conversation extends to discuss the value of faith in difficult times, the importance of personal resilience, and the power of hope. 00:00 Introduction to Suicide Zen Forgiveness Podcast 00:17 Elaine Lindsay's Mission and Podcast Disclaimer 01:11 Introduction to the Episode and Guest 03:07 Guest's Personal Story: The Beginning 03:56 The Unfolding Mystery: Declared Dead 06:49 The Struggles and Consequences of Being 'Dead' 09:47 Media Coverage and Legal Battles 14:15 The Impact on Personal Life and Mental Health 22:14 The Search for a Solution: Legal Research and Self-Representation 23:57 The Struggle with Erroneous Death Letters 24:42 The Impact of Identity Errors on Personal Life 25:51 Navigating Legal Challenges and Name Change 27:25 The Aftermath of Name Change and Identity Restoration 29:18 The Media Attention and Its Consequences 30:42 The Ongoing Battle with Social Security Administration 31:31 The Intricacies of Identity Theft and Financial Impact 32:26 The Struggle with Government Agencies and Privacy Breaches 36:08 The Discovery of Unclaimed Benefits and Financial Anomalies 38:57 The Plan to Approach Congress and Future Aspirations 39:59 The Continuous Breaches and the Fight for Privacy 41:14 Closing Remarks and Call to Action   People  Article New York Post    BIO Proficient in Entrepreneurship, Urban ministry and mentorship, Madeline-Michelle continuously works with men, women, and at-risk youth in urban communities who have been limited in their spiritual and mental growth.  She understands more of youths' nature stems from their societal hindrances and their environment, since she has traveled throughout West Africa and supporting her South India international ministry. Professionally, Madeline-Madeline experience varies and includes working with Fortune 500 companies, schools, and the Information Systems Technology Department at Florissant Valley Community College in St. Louis.  Madeline-Michelle have been a 29 year volunteer, spiritual advisor and advocate throughout the Missouri Eastern Region Department of Correction Institution.  She have received the Volunteer of the Year award for diligently volunteering her time as a spiritual mentor to incarcerated men and women. For five years, Madeline-Madeline served as an associate minister and “right arm” for her former pastor at Covenant Church Christian Center, before being ordained as a minister in June 1999. Later, as a full-time minister, Carthen who also is an advocate for justice and public safety has helped implement pilot training programs for probation staff and coordinators in the City of St. Louis Department of Corrections.  She served as a Certified Mentor working with St. Louis County Juvenile Detention Center. Madeline-Michelle, role was to conducting weekly, non-custodial fathers support group meetings at the St. Louis County Justice Center with the assistance of the Father Support Center reunifying families. Madeline-Madeline a former Associate Pastor affiliated with United Methodist Church (UMC) in, Missouri and the youngest of three siblings. At the age of 24 years old, she dedicated herself to Christian ministry full-time.   Madeline-Madeline graduated from the Adults in Ministry program at St. Louis Christian College, where she minored in Urban Christian Ministry.  She was a former Master of Divinity candidate attending Eden Theological Seminary.  Soon after a few years Madeline-Michelle enrolled as a professional student who was appointed as an Ambassador through Missouri Trade and Business Office.  This appointment was on behalf of Webster University International Business Intern Exchange Program that granted Madeline the opportunity to study Entrepreneurship with a Minor in International Business at Legon University in Accra Ghana.   Minister Madeline-Madeline: Carthen, a published author who is still advocating her life existence with the hope of her identity being restored. The U.S. Social Security Administration declared her deceased over 16 years ago in Missouri. Formerly known as -Rev. Madeline M. Coburn: books, biography, latest update Look for a copy @ CreateSpace.com Amazon.com Bakers and Taylor BarnesandNoble.com Borders.com Target.com C.R.I.E.D A Pastor's Life Behind Bars Credentials: Ordained Minister Entreprenuer  Author  Public Speaker    CONTACT: Madeline-Michelle: Carthen EMAIL: MMCOBURN1@GMAIL.COM  +1(314) 546-9388   Facebook: madeline michelle carthen LinkedIn: carthencornerstonesolutions

Surviving Abuse, Suicide and Building a Supportive Community with Hypnotist Kevin Lepine   In this episode of 'Suicide Zen Forgiveness', host Elaine Lindsay interviews professional hypnotist, Kevin Lepine, who survived an abusive childhood and suicidal thoughts. Kevin's journey from being a bullied, adopted child in Detroit to becoming a headliner in Las Vegas has been filled with adversity. He attributes his growth to the supportive community that helped him build resilience. The discussion also covers the importance of community for mental health, the detrimental effects of isolation, and the need to normalize conversations about mental health issues. Kevin and Elaine further delve into the effects of negative self-talk and the role of acceptance and gratitude in overcoming life's challenges. The episode also emphasizes the necessity for immediate help for people experiencing grief or mental health problems, encouraging those affected to reach out to local health services. Kevin also discusses the inspiration behind his book 'Deep Into My Eyes from Victim to Vegas Headliner.'   00:00 Introduction to Suicide Zen Forgiveness Podcast 00:54 Introducing the Guest: Kevin's Journey 02:44 Kevin's Struggles and Triumphs 03:23 The Importance of Community 04:21 The Power of Negative Self-Talk 12:03 Kevin's Personal Experiences with Suicide 13:32 Building a Supportive Community 14:18 Dealing with Trauma and Grief 22:31 The Role of Trust in Healing 24:19 The Impact of Changing Family Dynamics 26:45 The Comfort of Predictable TV Shows 27:45 Analyzing the Dark Side of Classic Cartoons 28:10 The Misinterpreted Message of Rudolph 29:48 The Power of Community and Mentorship 31:20 The Journey to Success in Entertainment 32:03 The Importance of Seeking Help and Advice 34:30 The Power of Positivity and Community Support 36:36 The Impact of Community on Mental Health 39:31 The Role of Hypnosis in Personal Growth 41:31 The Power of Gratitude and Acknowledging Mentors 44:04 Closing Remarks and Future Plans 47:40 Podcast Outro and Sponsor Acknowledgements   Bio Before opening his show "HYPNOSIS UNLEASHED” in Las Vegas in 2010, hypnotist Kevin Lepine was touring around the world making people laugh and showing how fun the power of your mind really is. His dynamic speaking abilities make him a keynote speaker for professional industries. He is also a multi-time "Best of Vegas" winner. Learn more at www.HypnosisUnleashed.com His autobiography “Deep Into My Eyes: From Victim to Vegas Headliner” tells how he  started as a child from Detroit who was adopted, bullied, and abused and managed to become a headliner in Las Vegas. Despite facing depression, suicidal thoughts, abuse, and addiction, Kevin refused to give up. Through his journey, he discovered the importance of finding support and belonging in communities that embraced him and helped him heal. His journey has not only transformed his own life, but it has also empowered others to find the strength to overcome their own struggles.   Links: www.VegasHypnosisShow.com www.DeepIntoMyEyes.com   Socials Facebook Instagram TikTok  

Surviving Abuse, Suicide and Building a Supportive Community with Hypnotist Kevin Lepine   In this episode of 'Suicide Zen Forgiveness', host Elaine Lindsay interviews professional hypnotist, Kevin Lepine, who survived an abusive childhood and suicidal thoughts. Kevin's journey from being a bullied, adopted child in Detroit to becoming a headliner in Las Vegas has been filled with adversity. He attributes his growth to the supportive community that helped him build resilience. The discussion also covers the importance of community for mental health, the detrimental effects of isolation, and the need to normalize conversations about mental health issues. Kevin and Elaine further delve into the effects of negative self-talk and the role of acceptance and gratitude in overcoming life's challenges. The episode also emphasizes the necessity for immediate help for people experiencing grief or mental health problems, encouraging those affected to reach out to local health services. Kevin also discusses the inspiration behind his book 'Deep Into My Eyes from Victim to Vegas Headliner.'   00:00 Introduction to Suicide Zen Forgiveness Podcast 00:54 Introducing the Guest: Kevin's Journey 02:44 Kevin's Struggles and Triumphs 03:23 The Importance of Community 04:21 The Power of Negative Self-Talk 12:03 Kevin's Personal Experiences with Suicide 13:32 Building a Supportive Community 14:18 Dealing with Trauma and Grief 22:31 The Role of Trust in Healing 24:19 The Impact of Changing Family Dynamics 26:45 The Comfort of Predictable TV Shows 27:45 Analyzing the Dark Side of Classic Cartoons 28:10 The Misinterpreted Message of Rudolph 29:48 The Power of Community and Mentorship 31:20 The Journey to Success in Entertainment 32:03 The Importance of Seeking Help and Advice 34:30 The Power of Positivity and Community Support 36:36 The Impact of Community on Mental Health 39:31 The Role of Hypnosis in Personal Growth 41:31 The Power of Gratitude and Acknowledging Mentors 44:04 Closing Remarks and Future Plans 47:40 Podcast Outro and Sponsor Acknowledgements   Bio Before opening his show "HYPNOSIS UNLEASHED” in Las Vegas in 2010, hypnotist Kevin Lepine was touring around the world making people laugh and showing how fun the power of your mind really is. His dynamic speaking abilities make him a keynote speaker for professional industries. He is also a multi-time "Best of Vegas" winner. Learn more at www.HypnosisUnleashed.com His autobiography “Deep Into My Eyes: From Victim to Vegas Headliner” tells how he  started as a child from Detroit who was adopted, bullied, and abused and managed to become a headliner in Las Vegas. Despite facing depression, suicidal thoughts, abuse, and addiction, Kevin refused to give up. Through his journey, he discovered the importance of finding support and belonging in communities that embraced him and helped him heal. His journey has not only transformed his own life, but it has also empowered others to find the strength to overcome their own struggles.   Links: www.VegasHypnosisShow.com www.DeepIntoMyEyes.com   Socials Facebook Instagram TikTok  

Show Notes Shattering the Silence: Conversations on Suicide and Mental Health with Elaine Lindsay.   In this episode, wrapping up season 6, Elaine talks about Canada's new 988 Suicide prevention line, offers heartfelt, 'Thank You' to each of our Guests and covers our 'December Hiatus' - while Elaine is gone there will be clips from past shows with thanks to all our guests...   We return on January 9th, 2024. May your holiday season be Safe, be calm, and most importantly, be kind to yourself and others..    In 'Suicide Zen Forgiveness', host Elaine Lindsay shares the poignant stories of those affected by suicide and mental health issues. The podcast aims to disintegrate the silence, stigma, and shame that often surround these difficult topics while encouraging an open dialogue. Listeners are reminded that this podcast is educational and might be triggering; immediate assistance is advised for those going through mental health struggles. The show wraps up by encouraging listeners to subscribe, review, and share the podcast, and introduces the sponsors who are all supporters of mental health causes. Potential guests with a story to share are also invited to participate.   00:00 Introduction to Suicide Zen Forgiveness Podcast 00:11 The Mission of the Podcast 00:35 Important Disclaimer 00:51 Introduction to the Host 15:22 Appreciation and Encouragement to Subscribe 15:48 Sponsors of the Podcast 16:41 Invitation to Share Your Story 16:54 Closing Remarks

Show Notes Shattering the Silence: Conversations on Suicide and Mental Health with Elaine Lindsay.   In this episode, wrapping up season 6, Elaine talks about Canada's new 988 Suicide prevention line, offers heartfelt, 'Thank You' to each of our Guests and covers our 'December Hiatus' - while Elaine is gone there will be clips from past shows with thanks to all our guests...   We return on January 9th, 2024. May your holiday season be Safe, be calm, and most importantly, be kind to yourself and others..    In 'Suicide Zen Forgiveness', host Elaine Lindsay shares the poignant stories of those affected by suicide and mental health issues. The podcast aims to disintegrate the silence, stigma, and shame that often surround these difficult topics while encouraging an open dialogue. Listeners are reminded that this podcast is educational and might be triggering; immediate assistance is advised for those going through mental health struggles. The show wraps up by encouraging listeners to subscribe, review, and share the podcast, and introduces the sponsors who are all supporters of mental health causes. Potential guests with a story to share are also invited to participate.   00:00 Introduction to Suicide Zen Forgiveness Podcast 00:11 The Mission of the Podcast 00:35 Important Disclaimer 00:51 Introduction to the Host 15:22 Appreciation and Encouragement to Subscribe 15:48 Sponsors of the Podcast 16:41 Invitation to Share Your Story 16:54 Closing Remarks

Laying to Rest: A Journey of Self-Discovery and Healing In this episode of the Suicide Zen Forgiveness podcast, host Elaine Lindsay shares her personal journey of recovery and self-discovery following a devastating car accident in 1976 which resulted in numerous physical injuries and the loss of her pregnancy. After meeting with Kimothy Walker, a journalist who had been through a similar experience, Elaine reevaluates her perspective towards her own identity, learns to lay her pre-accident self to rest, and embraces her current self wholeheartedly. Elaine also discusses Andrea, a friend who passed away, and shares the empathy and forgiveness she received from her afterlife experience. This episode discusses suicide and mental health issues and urges those struggling to reach out to local resources for help. Elaine stresses the importance of seeking help, sharing burdens to lighten the load, and asserts that empathy, gratitude, and resilience can be found even after the darkest days. 00:00 Introduction to Suicide Zen Forgiveness 01:00 Elaine's Personal Story: The Night That Changed Everything 03:25 The Accident and Its Aftermath 06:39 Meeting Kimothy Walker: A New Perspective 09:32 Laying the Past to Rest: A Journey of Healing 16:36 Gratitude and Hope: Moving Forward 18:50 Closing Remarks and Acknowledgements 19:20 Sponsors and Invitations for Future Episodes

Laying to Rest: A Journey of Self-Discovery and Healing In this episode of the Suicide Zen Forgiveness podcast, host Elaine Lindsay shares her personal journey of recovery and self-discovery following a devastating car accident in 1976 which resulted in numerous physical injuries and the loss of her pregnancy. After meeting with Kimothy Walker, a journalist who had been through a similar experience, Elaine reevaluates her perspective towards her own identity, learns to lay her pre-accident self to rest, and embraces her current self wholeheartedly. Elaine also discusses Andrea, a friend who passed away, and shares the empathy and forgiveness she received from her afterlife experience. This episode discusses suicide and mental health issues and urges those struggling to reach out to local resources for help. Elaine stresses the importance of seeking help, sharing burdens to lighten the load, and asserts that empathy, gratitude, and resilience can be found even after the darkest days. 00:00 Introduction to Suicide Zen Forgiveness 01:00 Elaine's Personal Story: The Night That Changed Everything 03:25 The Accident and Its Aftermath 06:39 Meeting Kimothy Walker: A New Perspective 09:32 Laying the Past to Rest: A Journey of Healing 16:36 Gratitude and Hope: Moving Forward 18:50 Closing Remarks and Acknowledgements 19:20 Sponsors and Invitations for Future Episodes

Normalizing Conversation on Suicide and Mental Health with Anne Moss Rogers In this episode of Suicide Zen Forgiveness, host Elaine Lindsay converses with guest, Anne Moss Rodgers. Moss shares her experiences of losing her son, Charles, to suicide and the journey that it spurred. The poignant conversation focuses on normalizing talks about suicide and mental health to lighten the emotional burden for those in the darkness. They discuss the significance of voicing pain and asking for help in battling depression and suicidal ideation. The episode touches upon the undervalued power of storytelling, ritual, and connection in healing. It underscores the irony of the digital world in both isolating people and creating platforms for connection. They stress on the importance of teaching coping skills and social emotional learning to kids from young age. 00:00 Introduction to the Podcast and Host 00:54 Guest Introduction: Anne Moss Rogers 02:28 Beginning the Conversation with Anne Moss Rogers 03:12 Anne Moss Rogers' Personal Journey and Struggles 06:36 The Tragic Loss of Anne's Son, Charles 07:12 Understanding Suicide and Its Impact 12:17 The Importance of Connection and Conversation in Healing 15:30 Dealing with the Aftermath of Suicide 19:51 The Power of Sharing and Feeling Your Feelings 25:46 The Importance of Emotional Healing and Coping Strategies 29:30 Embracing Difficult Emotions 30:33 Understanding the Nature of Suicidal Ideation 31:24 The Guilt and Self-Blame After Losing a Loved One to Suicide 32:08 Coping Mechanisms: Allowing Yourself to Wallow 36:01 The Power of Gratitude in Healing 39:41 The Role of Humor in Coping with Loss 41:46 The Importance of Keeping the Memory of Loved Ones Alive 44:19 The Role of Rituals in the Healing Process 51:21 The Impact of the Digital Age on Connection and Community 54:38 Closing Remarks and Future Discussions 56:01 Podcast Outro and Sponsor Acknowledgements   We met on Twitter.. or should I say X. Anne Moss Rogers grief journey, is a lesson is strength. A lesson in grace. A lesson in fortitude.  I'm honoured to bring you this guest..  One of the most sought-after motivational mental health speakers, Anne Moss has lived the ultimate tragedy and become an expert on emotional wellness, suicide prevention, and postvention, as well as youth mental health. She speaks most often at conferences, universities and schools, workplaces, and corporations. Her youngest son, Charles, was the funniest, most popular kid in school. As a teen, he wore the mask of a clown to hide his depression and anxiety and used drugs and alcohol to numb his thoughts of suicide. Ultimately, he became addicted to heroin and took his own life in 2015 at age 20. The most devastating loss of her life was a turning point. While it took time to accept that purpose with grace, she has never looked back or regretted that decision.   Links http://emotionallynaked.com https://mentalhealthawarenesseducation.com AnneMoss' TEDx – Can a Blog Save Lives? AnneMoss' books: Diary of a Broken Mind: A Mother's Story, A Son's Suicide, and The Haunting Lyrics He Left Behind Emotionally Naked: A Teacher's Guide to Preventing Suicide & Recognizing Students at Risk AnneMoss' books and free e-book library: https://mentalhealthawarenesseducation.com/mental-health-books/#free_mentalhealth_ebooks   Socials FB: https://facebook.com/EmotionallyNaked LI: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emotionallynaked/ YT: https://youtube.com/c/AnneMossRogers/ IG: https://www.instagram.com/annemossrogers/ TW: https://twitter.com/AnneMossRogers

Suicide Zen Forgiveness: A Candid Conversation with Jacqueline Gee This episode of the Suicide Zen Forgiveness podcast features a heartfelt conversation with the host, Elaine Lindsay, and guest, Jacqueline Gee. As a mental health advocate, mentor, and creator of the Doom to Bloom podcast, Jacqueline shares her journey with mental health struggles, trauma, addiction, and her commitment to breaking down their associated stigmas. A survivor of sexual assault and anorexia, Jacqueline provides valuable insights into her healing process and her work in the social services field with the vulnerable population struggling with homelessness, addictions, mental health, and legal involvement. She highlights the importance of conversation and normalized dialogue around mental health, asserting that sharing burdens lightens the load. The episode discusses the challenges of combating societal stigmas, the flaws in the justice, mental health, and foster care systems, and the need for empathy towards the unhoused. Finally, Jacqueline's story serves as an inspiration and a reminder of the power of resilience and empathy towards mental health, trauma, and addiction.   00:00 Introduction to Suicide Zen Forgiveness Podcast 01:12 Meet Today's Guest: Jacqueline Gee 03:47 Jacqueline's Early Struggles with Mental Health 05:06 Jacqueline's Journey through Trauma and Recovery 06:39 The Impact of Sexual Assault on Jacqueline's Life 07:38 Jacqueline's Battle with Anorexia and Self-Harm 11:43 The Turning Point: A Friend's Murder 13:21 Jacqueline's Career in Social Work and Law 14:07 The Challenges of Working with the Unhoused Population 20:55 The Stigma and Stereotypes Surrounding the Unhoused 37:28 The Importance of Human Connection and Compassion 44:57 Conclusion and Final Thoughts She was born and raised in Ontario, Canada, and she's always been a mental health advocate and mentor. She is the founder and creator of the Doom to Bloom podcast. There, Jacqueline shares her journey of mental health struggles and her experiences with trauma and addiction alongside the guests she has who also share their experiences. As Jacqueline is active in the social services field, specifically with the vulnerable population struggling with homelessness, addictions, mental health, and legal involvement, she provides tactical tips and techniques to support both yourself and others during these struggles, as well as education around these stigmatized and taboo topics. Jacqueline is passionate about raising awareness of mental health, trauma, and addiction, as well as continuing to fight to break down the stigma surrounding these topics.  

Suicide Zen Forgiveness with Richard Brockman: Personal Narrative and Neuroscience in Suicide   In this episode of 'Suicide Zen Forgiveness,' host Elaine Lindsay interviews Dr. Richard Brockman, a clinical professor at Columbia University and author of the critically acclaimed book 'Surviving Life After Death.' Drawing on his own childhood experience of losing his mother to suicide, Dr. Brockman explores the interplay between personal narratives and neuroscience in understanding the impact of suicide on survivors. With emphasis on shifting perspectives and accepting the lack of control over such events, Dr. Brockman posits that survivors can eventually come to terms with their loss and find freedom from the guilt or self-blame often associated with suicide of a loved one. This deep and insightful conversation offers valuable insights into the process of healing after such traumatic life experiences.   00:01 Introduction to Suicide Zen Forgiveness 00:14 Meet the Host: Elaine Lindsay 01:02 Introducing the Guest: Richard Brockman, MD 03:59 Richard's Personal Story: Dealing with Mother's Suicide 05:02 Exploring the Concept of Narrative and Biology of Story 05:53 Understanding Animal Memory and Story Structure 08:38 Impact of Suicide on Biological and Psychological Narrative 09:38 Exploring Individual Reactions to Trauma 10:28 Richard's Journey in Psychiatry and Neuroscience 12:26 The Unanswered Questions of Suicide 16:38 The Personal Impact of Suicide on the Survivors 17:58 Understanding the Role of Age and Gender in Suicide Impact 29:04 The Role of Control in Experiencing Trauma 32:08 Understanding Instinctive Responses 32:43 Discussing Suicide and Mental Health with Children 33:55 The Importance of Role Models and Support Systems 37:08 Dealing with Overwhelming Crises 37:37 Personal Experiences with Earthquakes 39:47 Resilience in Children vs Adults 44:38 Understanding Suicide from a Personal Perspective 51:25 The Journey of Writing a Memoir 56:08 Concluding Remarks and Future Plans   I am honoured to share my guest, Richard Brockman MD.  Richard thoughtfully, shares his wealth of knowledge, as well as his very personal story. Richard is a multi-faceted and multi-talented gentleman. When Richard Brockman found his mother's body, the simple narrative of his childhood ended. His new book-Life After Death tells the story of a boy who died and of a man who survived when the boy and the man are one and the same. It tells a very personal—yet tragically common—story of irredeemable loss. It tells the story of story itself. How story forms. How it grows. How it changes. How it can be broken. And finally, how sometimes it can be repaired. Now an expert in genetics, epigenetics, and the biology of attachment, Brockman chronicles his evolution from a child overwhelmed by trauma to a man who has struggled to reclaim his past. He lays bare the core of one who is both victim and healer. By weaving together childhood despair and clinical knowledge, Brockman shows how the shattered pieces of the self—though never the same and not without scars—can sometimes be put back together again.   Richard Brockman, MD is Clinical Professor, Columbia University, Vagelos College of Physicians and Surgeons, and Visiting Professor at the University of Namibia, School of Medicine.     He has written over 40 papers published in peer review journals primarily focusing neural science and clinical psychiatry.   His book, A Map of the Mind, towards a science of psychotherapy was published by International Universities Press to critical acclaim.  Life After Death, surviving suicide was published in August '23 by Arcade Press/Simon&Schuster, also to critical acclaim.   His teaching has been honored by the Victor J. Teichner Visiting Scholar Award, from the American Academy of Psychodynamic Psychiatry and Psychoanalysis as well as the Nancy C.A. Roeske, MD, Certificate of Recognition for Excellence in medical student education from the American Psychiatric Association.     He has lectured widely in the United States and abroad.    Brockman is also a playwright whose work has been produced in New York, Los Angeles, London as well as numerous other cities.     His articles have been published in The Atlantic Monthly, The Los Angeles Times Magazine, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times.      A Map of the Mind, towards a science of psychotherapy was published by International Universities Press. Life After Death, surviving suicide was published in August '23 by Arcade Press/Simon & Schuster.  

Today Elaine Lindsay and I discuss suicide awareness, the stigma, some of the causes and our joint mission/vision for prevention on this planet, especially during this time of the Age of Aquarius If you have had suicidal thoughts or ideation - you are not alone Elaine and I have been there in our own ways Since June 2018, Elaine Lindsay's mission:   End the Silence • Stigma and Shame surrounding suicide, ideation and mental health.   "Starting with elementary school age children to teach them that not every thought in your head is real, true nor do you have to act on the thought.    We must normalize the conversation to make it easier for you to voice your angst and be able to ask for help. reaching out to another human being must become the norm." -Elaine Tune in and share this message with those you care about Listen to me and Elaine's episode where I share my story here: https://youtu.be/wLa-_kSc6xA?si=UBNEsHuhMiBMrLvz   Find out more about Elaine here: https://www.elainelindsay.com/ OR www.szf42.com   FIND OUT MORE ABOUT MAGDALENA GRACE HERE: https://linktr.ee/magdalenagrace   JOIN OUR HEALTHY N WEALTHY N WISE SUBSCRIPTION HERE:   https://loiskoffi.lpages.co/healthy-n-wealthy-n-wise-subscription/   LEARN ABOUT MICRODOSING FOR YOUR HEALTH/WEALTH/WISDOM JOURNEY https://microdosingforhealth.now.site   WANNA SIGN UP AND BE A PLEDGING PATRON FOR HEALTHY N WEALTHY N WISE? https://patron.podbean.com/loiskoffi   JOIN OUR TELEGRAM CHANNEL FOR MORE INSPIRATION   https://t.me/healthynwealthynwise   FOR MIST MAGDALENA GRACE'S RESOURCES - go to www.loiskoffi.com/resources   JOIN HER FACEBOOK COMMUNITY AT HER PODCAST WEBSITE: www.healthynwealthynwise.com   SUBSCRIBE TO HER YOUTUBE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/loiskofficoffee  

So honoured to once again speak with Herbie. He's a fellow survivor with a huge mission.  We talk about Social Media and You.. the Good the Bad and the Resources you can use to manage your digital life.    Empowering Suicide Prevention Specialist and Keynote Speaker with Expertise in Suicide Ideation Education and Post-Attempt Guidance | Host of the Just Believe Show | Dedicated to Helping Those Struggling with Suicide.   Daily Dose of Inspiration! Mental health is not a destination; it's a journey. A journey that requires patience, self-love, and support. Remember to care for your mental health daily, not just during Mental Health Month. #JustBelieve #MentalHealthMatters Suicide Prevention Specialist • Suicide Ideation Educator • Provide post-suicide attempt guidance • Keynote Speaker Host of @thejustbelieveshow.   Socials And Site https://herbiemack.com/ https://www.facebook.com/imherbiemack/  https://www.instagram.com/hbmack https://www.tiktok.com/@herbiemack https://www.twitter.com/HBMACK https://www.youtube.com/@imherbiemack   ------------------------------------------- Transcript # Herbie Mack Returns S4 E15 [00:00:00]  [00:00:00] **Elaine Lindsay:** Hello. It's good to be back. Very happy to be here and excited to have a returning guest today I'm going to be here with Herby Mack, who was on the show back in 2022. And we have a lot to talk about. This is gonna be more of a conversation about what we see going on now. Herbie Mac is an amazing speaker. [00:00:28] **Elaine Lindsay:** He's all about suicide prevention and just one of the loveliest guys I've ever met. So, without further ado, here we go. Hi. Herbie.  [00:00:42] **Herbie Mack:** How's everything?  [00:00:43] **Elaine Lindsay:** It's good. It's good to see you.  [00:00:46] **Herbie Mack:** Likewise, likewise. I'm, I'm honored to be a returning guest and also, I'm just ready for this conversation. I think that's how we can prevent suicide. [00:00:56] **Herbie Mack:** It's just my conversation.  [00:00:58] **Elaine Lindsay:** That is such a [00:01:00] perfect start to this. Yes it is conversation. Talking is, to me the most important thing and I know for your generation and younger, we're starting to get that message out. For my generation, talking was not something you ever give. And I have a, a real deep-seated need to make sure that all of us, right down to the youngest person who might have a suicidal thought, I want you to know you need to reach out and talk to someone, anyone. [00:01:47] **Elaine Lindsay:** Don't keep it inside, because what people sometimes don't remember all the thoughts that run through your head. Number one, they're not real. Number two, they're not true. And number three, when you [00:02:00] tell someone you lessen that burden. [00:02:06] **Elaine Lindsay:** So that, that's my little often running. That's  [00:02:10] **Herbie Mack:** your TED talk?  [00:02:12] **Elaine Lindsay:** That's my mini TED talk. Yes, yes. Talk to somebody. Anybody  [00:02:17] **Herbie Mack:** I do agree. You know, for myself, during the, the challenges that I had, the struggles and, and trying to decide if I wanna be here or not, I found it easier once I started talking to like, really backtrack that man, you know, do, do I wanna make that forever decision. [00:02:37] **Herbie Mack:** And it's like, no, I don't, I actually want to be here, but I want the pain to end. And, but I. When I sat down and started having conversations with people, right. The, support group that I like to say, they really helped me reframe my mindset of like, man, I understand that you're hurting, but it is okay to, to, to ask for help. [00:02:56] **Herbie Mack:** And now, like, you know, being a guy like, oh my [00:03:00] life, they've been saying, you know, asking for help is a sign of weakness. **So I started reframing my mindset into let me use my resources, and that changed everything. ** [00:03:12] **Elaine Lindsay:** Oh my God, that's brilliant. That is brilliant.  [00:03:17] **Herbie Mack:** Yeah. You just being told, like, you know, asking for help. [00:03:21] **Herbie Mack:** Weakness, weakness, weakness. But then when you look at it and you say, let me ask, let me use my resources, it it, it's you realizing like, man, I have great assets and friends or maybe access to actually seek someone to, to. Provide the proper help that I need, whether it's a, you know, a counselor, a therapist, social worker, whomever works for you that can help you get out of that negative mindset. [00:03:46] **Herbie Mack:** And once I've said that, it was just like, oh, life is so much easier. Right? Because like, like if my car breaks down and I know I need a ride, I'm gonna call you. Not because I'm active for help, I'm just looking at my phone and I'm looking at the resources that I have that can give me a [00:04:00] ride to where I need to go. [00:04:01] **Herbie Mack:** Yes.  [00:04:03] **Elaine Lindsay:** And I'm sorry you'll wait a little while for me to get there, but I'll be there.  [00:04:07] **Herbie Mack:** You're worth the wait.  [00:04:08] **Elaine Lindsay:** Okay. You're such a sweetheart. Oh. Giving aside, no, I think that's a really, really good point. Reframing gives us an opportunity. To turn things on their head. And we talk about that in business. [00:04:24] **Elaine Lindsay:** Yes, a lot reframing how you go about managing your business can inject a, a whole new outlook. So why not, you know, take that as a resource and use that in your personal toolbox. And that brings us to two things. I really believe that we need to start the conversations with elementary school children. [00:04:55] **Elaine Lindsay:** Suicidal ideation starts a lot younger than [00:05:00] people think. And y you said you decided y you knew you wanted to be here. People who know my story know that I lost a dear friend at 16 and her death was her showing me. That leaving was not the best option and what it would do to those that I would leave behind. [00:05:27] **Elaine Lindsay:** And I think because I'm so hardheaded, the universe decided that that was the way to show me. And, and it doesn't work for everybody. It's not necessary for everybody, thank God. But we need to be sure that from childhood you understand that not everything that goes through your head ha you have to act on, or, or is the truth or, or is in fact reality. [00:05:58] **Elaine Lindsay:** And you [00:06:00] can't fix what you don't understand or don't know. And, and in all honesty, I don't think school prepares us for any of the things that actually happen in life.  [00:06:15] **Herbie Mack:** Yes. And I, I would say yes and no. Yeah. Like, is there, is there, is there a, a subject for it? Like in a school curriculum, probably not. [00:06:23] **Herbie Mack:** Right? But then when you come across certain teachers, certain teachers have a certain way on you. You know, for myself, I was having, in high school, I was really struggling. My sister died from cancer. And one of my friends who was like, Hey, you know, do you play basketball? Whatnot, was like, oh, yeah, yeah, I do. [00:06:41] **Herbie Mack:** And I was actually pretty good. And then he suggests, let's go on the basketball team. Let's try out, we make the team. And it was a coach that really helped me out, not only in that moment, but in life. He was always saying, Hey Herby, what's the weakest areas in your game? I'm just like, dude, I don't know. [00:06:57] **Herbie Mack:** You're the coach. Like, you're supposed to let me know. [00:07:00] And he's like he's like, all right, look, I'm gonna teach you the, these tools to know what areas to improve on. So this way when the season's over, you can work on it. Cool, right? Like just analyzing my game. So when I was going through my suicidal ideations and, and, and attempts when it's like time to pick me up, I decided to use that method, right? [00:07:20] **Herbie Mack:** But instead of using it in a basketball term of like, oh, like, let me look at the film. The film was me sitting down and actually journaling, right? So this way I was able to understand what areas in my life I have to improve on. You know, in my mind, you know, when, when you, you know, when you're in your twenties and your thirties, you think, I know it all right? [00:07:39] **Herbie Mack:** Like, my life is good. My life is amazing. But then when I sat down and took that moment to pause and analyze the game and, and my writing right, I realized my foundation was extremely weak. I didn't really have a great foundation, so what can I do? What can I work on? How to build a foundation, right? [00:07:55] **Herbie Mack:** Then it went from finances, right? Like realizing that I am [00:08:00] making a lot of irrational decisions, emotional decisions, instead of logical decisions on like, Hey, I'm going out to the club, I'm going out to the strip clubs, I'm going out to the bars. We're going here and there. But then the long term, I wasn't really putting an investment on myself, right? [00:08:14] **Herbie Mack:** So it was like stuff like that. And I always thank coach White for just taking the time to help me break down the game of basketball. But then I had to learn how to reframe my mind and use it in a, in a way of like, in a game of life, what areas do I need to prove on? What can I do? What, what was, and that despite like one of the biggest, like, thank you. [00:08:36] **Herbie Mack:** I can, I can, I can say about him. Yeah. And, and it was wasn't just the. The skills of basketball he taught also taught me about life. Hey man, you know, slow down. You're moving too fast. It's fast. You don't need to hang out with people. That's taking, taking a, well, not taking, but adding distractions in your life. [00:08:55] **Elaine Lindsay:** It's incredible. And I think all of us have those people in our lives. [00:09:00] Sometimes it takes a while for us to, to be able to remember what it was that someone did for you or, or you know, how useful the information you learned was. But I think everybody at some point gets someone in their life. And if you can be aware of these types of mentors and these types of people, then when we are open, To help when we're open to resources, let's say, let's not use the word help when we're open to resources and to, to interacting with others who may have other game plans that we can use. [00:09:48] **Elaine Lindsay:** The universe provides whether you call it God or the universe or a higher power, whatever you call it. Okay. They, it will be provided. It's [00:10:00] just a matter of being open, being curious. Right. I think that's really important and, and that, that's sort of let, let's segue into what I see as one of the biggest issues. [00:10:17] **Elaine Lindsay:** A a, an area I've, I've worked in for many, many years, but social media is both a blessing and a curse. And like everything that's happening right now online ai, all of the, the changes that we are going through, it is ramping up to the speed of light. And none of us had the time or the foresight to listen to those who were saying, caution, caution here. [00:10:56] **Elaine Lindsay:** And here we are. You and I are here [00:11:00] because suicide in the world now is the second leading cause of death. More than 800,000 people died from suicide every year. Like that's, that's a staggering number. And the most, I think, terrifying. Part of that. Is, there are many, many times social media's involved. [00:11:31] **Elaine Lindsay:** Yeah,  [00:11:32] **Herbie Mack:** yeah, yeah. I, you know, it, it's, I love social media and I hate it at the same time, you know, you can be, be someone with you know, amazing smile and you can post a picture like, oh, what a wonderful day. And then you'll have someone that you may, you you may know or you may not know, that will reply in your picture and be like, oh, you're ugly, or whatever, you're fat, or whatever. [00:11:56] **Herbie Mack:** And it's, and that can just be a [00:12:00] spark for someone who's already having insecurities that's just like, man, you know what? I'm always getting picked on. Nobody loves me. And you learn not to love yourself. And then you go into that negative place of making that forever decision and. I feel like when it comes to social media, yes we do dictate what we watch, what we control, who's in our who's on our feed no matter what platform you choose. [00:12:22] **Herbie Mack:** And for myself, I had to do something. When I was in that negative mindset, I just got off of social media cause I wasn't that strong enough. And then when I got back on social media, I started unfollowing some of my friends that wasn't align, aligning to what I wanted. Right. I wanted to be someone who woke up and had positive thoughts, all this stuff. [00:12:44] **Herbie Mack:** So I started following people that was inspiring me to do that. And I started unfollowing people who was just like poaching, posting pictures of like, them just sitting on the couch, right? Like, it's not really adding the value that I needed or, or they started posting things [00:13:00] that wasn't aligned with me as far as like negative Negative, negative fights. [00:13:04] **Herbie Mack:** Like, you know, it's just like, oh, you know, like all this negative stuff. And it's just like, I didn't need that. And it takes, I wanna say bravery to one, acknowledge like, Hey, I'm not in that mindset to, to receive all this negative stuff. I don't want this negative stuff. Let me unfollow certain people. Like I unfollow some of my family members, right? [00:13:25] **Herbie Mack:** Not because I don't love them, but what they was shown on their feet, I didn't wanna see anymore. Yeah. And then I, same thing with friends. And for that, you know, when it comes to social media, you want to make sure that you're, you're following people. That's going to inspire you or gonna add value, whether it's entertainment of like, you know, something that's gonna make you laugh, that's not gonna bring you down. [00:13:46] **Herbie Mack:** Yeah. And I think, I think it should be something that's talked about now. It's like we control our social media that is like our cable to say the least, right? Yeah. So it's like, hey, let me, let me follow this. Whether it's a sports team, whether it's a [00:14:00] motivational speaker, whether it is your favorite podcast about, about phishes, right? [00:14:05] **Herbie Mack:** Like, it's like, let me follow something that makes me happy, that add value and the stuff that doesn't, I'm just gonna block out. I don't wanna see this, I don't want that. And then that just only thing, only thing that's gonna come from that is obviously you being a better person, but you're gonna get the right people in your circle. [00:14:21] **Herbie Mack:** Yeah. That's gonna vibe with you. That's gonna not bring you down, but lift you up.  [00:14:26] **Elaine Lindsay:** Absolutely. And in talking to younger people, I know how exciting it is to, to get likes and to have comments and, you know, and, and to try and keep up with those, sorry. But the Kardashians and what have you. And I'm not knocking the Kardashians. [00:14:50] **Elaine Lindsay:** Okay. I have to say for, for all the stuff that's out there, these are good, smart business women Okay. Who put a [00:15:00] lot of effort into what they do and, and kudos to you. And, and I have to say, I actually like Kylie's lipsticks, so there you go. Even at my age, but all of those people, okay. They didn't start with a billion followers. [00:15:18] **Elaine Lindsay:** They didn't start yesterday. So all of the young people that are looking at the college Jenners and, and What's Kelsey Ballerini and, and all of these people, yes, it looks wonderful, but they didn't get there in five minutes. You have to take time. There's no rush to living your life. Try and be where you are. [00:15:43] **Elaine Lindsay:** And for, for me, I see the problem with the young people is one bad comic can be the end of somebody. Like, it's happened. This, this is not, you know, this is not a fairy [00:16:00] story. This is the truth. And, and the fact is, I, I have a, a different take now than I would have early on in social media, even young people. [00:16:13] **Elaine Lindsay:** I want you to look at the people that troll others, the people that say hurtful things that don't even know you. Imagine, okay. That you can see into their life. I guarantee you, you're going to see pain and hurt and trauma and old stuff that they're carting along with them because people who hurt are the ones who hurt other people. [00:16:43] **Elaine Lindsay:** And, and that's true all the time. It doesn't matter what they're hurting with. I posted a little video on the Instagram it was one of the school shootings. I, [00:17:00] I just breaks my heart. And this year specifically, it's been happening so much. There were more than 150 shootings and there weren't 150 days in the year at that point. [00:17:14] **Elaine Lindsay:** And I, I just had enough. It was late at night. I'm tired of crying over other people's children. And I just got on and said like, I'm sorry, America, what is wrong? What is wrong with you? That you value guns more than children? Yeah. How? How can that be? And I had a couple of really vicious trolls that were calling me all kinds of things. [00:17:38] **Elaine Lindsay:** And it was like, okay, I feel very sad for you. Thank you for sharing. And that's that because I can't do anything about your opinion if you are not open to learning something new. And therefore, me trying to interact with you [00:18:00] or change your opinion at this point is futile for me. So if I just say, thank you for sharing, and this came from Marissa Pier, a hypnotist. [00:18:13] **Elaine Lindsay:** That sort of diffuses things because there's no comeback for them. No, it's not okay. And any comeback is if, if you are somewhere where you have to engage, you just keep repeating. Thank you for sharing, because you don't wanna be rude, you don't wanna engage and ramp it up because the only person who's gonna get hurt is you. [00:18:41] **Elaine Lindsay:** And in social media, my suggestion for young people, the minute someone trolls you and it's someone you don't know, block them. I don't care what platform you're on, I don't care that your friends follow them. Don't care about [00:19:00] any of that. Somebody attacks you. Think of that as your little space. Okay? [00:19:05] **Elaine Lindsay:** That's your little place. Somebody comes into your home and attacks you, you block them, they're gone. Okay. And, and there's no three strikes here, okay? We are talking about your mental health, your wellbeing, and, and keeping you going. So no three strikes, one strike block. 'em, you do not, as Herbe said, you don't need that in your life. [00:19:33] **Elaine Lindsay:** No, you don't. It's just not worth it.  [00:19:36] **Herbie Mack:** Yeah, no, I wanted to add to that as well. You know, if, you know, it doesn't even matter if you don't know them, if you know, like it's not worth your energy. As far as as like the negative stuff, the negative comments, even for myself, like, you know, as much positive stuff I try to send out to the world, I do get negative comments or negative dms. [00:19:54] **Herbie Mack:** And even with that, you know, I acknowledge it. Okay. All right. That's how you feel. I didn't [00:20:00] resonate with you. Okay, cool. And. I don't even, I don't even take it home with me. You know, as far as like that. It's like, oh, okay, cool. Like that's, everyone is entitled to how they feel, what, you know. But for myself, I know, like I'm trying to add good, I'm trying to be the, the, the shine my light, right? [00:20:20] **Herbie Mack:** Like I'm trying to shine people light on who, who are struggling. Oh, just might just need a, a little pick me up. And sometimes it's, it's me, right? Like I'll create a pulse and I see it like two days later, like, oh, you know what? That actually resonated. And for the negative feedback that I do get back, it's just like, okay, cool. [00:20:36] **Herbie Mack:** Thank you. As you said, thank you. Appreciate it. And just keep it pushing it. And if they do want to keep going, then yeah, obviously you just hit the block button. You know, I, I'm all about creating space for people who need space, but also you have to put on your own, your own oxygen mask, right? This is not helping me, so I can't assist you. [00:20:54] **Herbie Mack:** Yeah. You know, you know, so it's like leave me alone. But, but needless to say, when it comes to to social [00:21:00] media, I do give myself a limit, right? Because it can be unhealthy. Yeah, it can be addictive as far as like, oh, look how many likes I got, look how many people view my reels. But then it's like, am I really doing it for, you know, the benefit of helping out people or am I doing it for the likes? [00:21:16] **Herbie Mack:** And it, when you start thinking about that or questioning that, that's when you might have to take a moment to just get off of social media. So, you know, one day, one day a week, my one day is like Sundays. I really don't try to engage on social media. I might have some stuff scheduled to post, but as far as like me like spending hours on it, nah, it, it's, I need to still be, you know, dealing with the kids, dealing with the wife, or just taking a walk and just really being present in in life. [00:21:45] **Elaine Lindsay:** Absolutely. And yeah, Sunday around here the dog and I go see my dad and. You know, we, we do family things and what have you, and the only reason I even have a phone beside me is because my father's 90 years [00:22:00] old and he needs to be able to get in contact with me. I very often leave the phone in the kitchen because it's just, it's become so, it's not even secondary anymore. [00:22:15] **Elaine Lindsay:** It's so far down the list of priorities that yes, as a business we, we do schedule things that will go out and that's, that is, you know, it's part of business. You have to, but for, for me, responding and what have you, I found that weekends should be for family and if you can take one or two days to just sort of distance yourself from it all. [00:22:42] **Elaine Lindsay:** Now, I understand if you are a teenager or you are in your twenties, You are thinking, I have two heads and I'm a nut. There's no way you're gonna spend that much time away from your friends. And it's okay. I [00:23:00] totally get it. But you wanna be sure. Okay, Herbie said, are you doing it to add value or are you doing it? [00:23:09] **Elaine Lindsay:** And I'm gonna say for the dopamine, yeah, that hit of dopamine inside is such a boost. That's what those likes do for you. It puts little firecrackers off in your head that that give you that wonderful feeling. And we all love dopamine. We love that, that euphoria that you get. And that's good. But it's like anything else. [00:23:35] **Elaine Lindsay:** Think about eating three ice cream cones instead of one, and then you get sick. Okay, really that third one was not worth it. Cut back a little. Give yourself as her rec. Give yourself time. Yes. Set yourself a limit and stick to that limit. And please God for if you do nothing [00:24:00] else, I want you, before you hit the floor with your feet in the morning, take a couple of breaths. [00:24:09] **Elaine Lindsay:** Be grateful that you're breathing. Think about your day and get the hell out of the bed before you touch that phone or tablet or whatever else it is that you've got stuck beside your head. Okay? Because all that external stuff, as much as it's fun and important in your life, it's not the end all be all. [00:24:34] **Elaine Lindsay:** And when you start each day with gratitude, you are more likely to finish that day the same way.  [00:24:41] **Herbie Mack:** Yes. I, I wouldn't say so. That's a funny story. Not a really funny story, but so it was like me, me and my brother, a couple of my friends, we went out to like, go out to eat and one of my friends was like, all right, look dude. [00:24:56] **Herbie Mack:** We're all on our phone, we're out here, we're, you know, we all came to see each other [00:25:00] like, what's going on? And so we had a friendly bet, everybody put down this, their cell phone, and it was four of us. And it was like everybody putting down their cell phone, the first person picks up their cell phone, has to pay the whole entire task. [00:25:11] **Herbie Mack:** All right, now you think it's like four guys, so you know it's gonna be way more than like 20 bucks. And so with that, it was just like, oh, okay, this is like challenging. But then it, it, the, I'm gonna show my age. It took us back before like the cell phone times where everybody just was engaging and having conversations and really actually catching up and not just like, oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah. [00:25:36] **Herbie Mack:** Oh, hey, did you see this? Oh, guess what? Like, you know, like, this is what's going on in the, in the world of sports, or this is what's going on in pop culture. And it was just like, no. Like, we actually was like, Hey, what's going on in your life? How's everything improving? Did you actually get that bonus that you was looking for? [00:25:49] **Herbie Mack:** Did you get that raise right? Or, Hey, how's school going? And we did that. And obviously dinner was probably like an hour, hour and a half or so. And for that hour and a [00:26:00] half, like you hear the phone's buzzing and no one picked up the phone. Well, one, nobody wanted to pick up that tab, but it was like, man, we took it back to back in the days before cell phones. [00:26:11] **Herbie Mack:** Right? Like I like to say BC times before cell phones. Oh, I like that. And, and we was just actually just engaging into conversations and not only engages in, into conversations, but like really engaging with it and within us, right? Like, man, I'm making an investment into you cuz you know what, this is the most important thing that I'm never gonna get this time with you. [00:26:31] **Herbie Mack:** I can always replay a reel or replay a YouTube video, whatever, but I can't re, I can't. Repurpose this, right? This event of like, yes, man, here we are. We're actually doing well. One is in college, one is actually like in their field, the other one is still trying to figure out how can we support. So I was like, seeing that was, was something that I enjoy. [00:26:53] **Herbie Mack:** And then like every time, every now and then when we do go out, we always like, Hey, no cell phones. He's like, oh, you gonna pick up the [00:27:00] tab? All right. No cell phones, you know, unless it's like, you know, the wife or something like that. Yeah, yeah. Then like, okay, cool, we get it. But like, other than that, it's like, dude, we don't wanna see No, no Facebook, no Instagram, no TikTok, no YouTube. [00:27:12] **Herbie Mack:** We just want to like, Hey, let's spend time and and catch up. Yeah.  [00:27:16] **Elaine Lindsay:** No, and I think that's important. And I think even, even if you are 11, 12, 13, you need to make a plan with your friends to do that maybe once a week. Okay. Spend an hour with your friends. Face to face and talk to them. Just talk to them. [00:27:37] **Elaine Lindsay:** Because talking seems to be a, a lot less of what younger people do. I see it all the time. You go into a restaurant and there are kids sitting at the table and they all have phones, but if you go really close, they're talking to the other people at the table, just  [00:27:55] **Herbie Mack:** texted each other. It's like,  [00:27:57] **Elaine Lindsay:** what? Yeah. [00:27:57] **Elaine Lindsay:** That is crazy. Yeah. [00:28:00] And the first time I saw that I, I literally stopped and the young lady across the table laughed and looked up and smiled across the table and I thought, oh, please tell me they're not actually texting each other. And I went up to the table. First of all, they thought it was just some nutty old lady, whoa, what do you want, woman? [00:28:23] **Elaine Lindsay:** And I said, you know, I don't mean to be rude, but are you texting each other? And they looked at me like I had three heads and were. Yeah, but they're in front of you. Like, could you not say that? And, and they, they took a beat and looked at me like, oh yeah, I guess they, they didn't stop. They went back to their texting that we saw them later, but maybe I put a little bug in their head that the next time they'll look up and actually say something to the person at the table. [00:28:59] **Elaine Lindsay:** [00:29:00] We, we have become, you know, I've said before as such a society of immediacy and, and fomo. Like, God forbid we don't know something happened this second. That's no way to live. If you are, you're constantly pushing your body. It's not just about dopamine. When you make yourself so stressed that you're waiting for to be sure you know what happens, you are, you know, flooding yourself with cortisol and other. [00:29:32] **Elaine Lindsay:** Hormones and things that are not helpful to you, and being in that hyper state, that was, that was good when you were a caveman and you were running away from sabertooth tigers. But we don't have those kinds of immediate danger every second in our lives anymore. Yet that's how we are living internally, and that's causing all kinds of problems [00:30:00] for young people and old people alike because it, it is not, the body is not meant to produce that amount of cortisol or, or those amounts of adrenaline or, or the, the fear motivators that flight, fight, or flight response, it should not be 24 7. [00:30:22] **Elaine Lindsay:** Yeah.  [00:30:23] **Herbie Mack:** No, I agree. No, I agree with that. I just wanted to, to add value to what you said as far as like that, you know, sometimes not only with social media, the world seem like it's moving too fast and, and to take that moment to slow it down, whether you start writing, whether you start journaling, coloring, whatever. [00:30:46] **Herbie Mack:** Just taking a moment to just not be in the phone, not really engage, to just be with your thoughts. And for some people it can be, man, that's, that's a lot to take on my own thoughts. But releasing those thoughts, [00:31:00] whether they're negative or positive, helps, right? You, you're keeping all that inside, you're keeping all that bottle up where to a point where it's like, man, it's unhealthy. [00:31:09] **Herbie Mack:** And like, oh, well I just share it with my friends. I'll text and whatever sometimes, and I'm just speaking for myself. Sometimes you may not want that feedback. Right. You just want to be, have a, a, a safe space to vent and not everybody is strong enough to, to take on whatever burden that you have to carry. [00:31:28] **Herbie Mack:** Yeah. And that's why I find it so easier, beneficial to release those emotions, whether it's in a book or, or coloring. Yeah. Right. Excuse me. So one of the times I was really struggling and I was on, on the way of picking myself up. One of my buddies, my buddies probably like 6 4, 6 5, 300 pounds. And he's like, Hey, we're gonna go play basketball, right? [00:31:52] **Herbie Mack:** He was like as we called him around the way, like Baby Shaq and and he's like, oh, you know, you like my Kobe, right? And I'm like, okay, cool. You know, he's like, Hey, I'm [00:32:00] gonna come pick you up. We're gonna go play basketball. And I'm really like, I'm not in the, the greatest mindset right now to play basketball, let alone to be around people. [00:32:09] **Herbie Mack:** The world was moving way too fast. My negative thoughts was like racing. And for some reason, you know, I had a coloring book, and the coloring book was like the Justice League. And I was like, Hey, I'm gonna go color. And he's like, Hey, you know, you know, he's banging on my door. He's like, Hey, Herby, you ready? [00:32:25] **Herbie Mack:** And I'm like, no, I just, I just need the color. Like, and he's just like, yeah bro, can we go like, forget the coloring, like can we go play basketball? And I'm like, no, you don't understand. I need to do this. And he's going back and forth with me and I scream at him and I'm a pretty like, calm dude. Yeah. He's like, I just need to color right now. [00:32:47] **Herbie Mack:** And he's just like, all right, I'm just gonna have a seat. And I kid you not, the only thing I colored was the S on Superman's chest. That was it. I didn't color [00:33:00] anything else. It was just that, and that s you know, if, if you're a Superman fan, it's like hope, right? Yeah. And I needed something to hold onto. [00:33:08] **Herbie Mack:** And that s was hope. And you know, I thank my friend. He didn't really press me right away, like, Hey, no, like, what's going on? And we waited to, like, after basketball, and I told him, I was like, man, the world was moving too fast. And I needed something to provide hope, Superman. The s was the hope. And I needed to color, I'm not gonna lie you, I did not color very well. [00:33:31] **Herbie Mack:** I was barely in those lines, but it's just something that I needed to slow down. And he got it. And he was like, Hey, okay, this is bigger than just like sports. If you ever need to talk, let's talk. You know? And he's like, Hey, do you want to go get a beer? Do you wanna do that? And I was just like, no. I just, I just wanna go home and color. [00:33:52] **Herbie Mack:** And he's like, all right, cool. Drop me off. He stayed in the crib to like watch basketball while I was coloring. And he just wanted to, I guess like [00:34:00] now that I look at it, he just wanted to make sure that I was okay. And, and I say this story because sometimes we need someone, but then we also need something to help slow the world down. [00:34:11] **Herbie Mack:** And for me, coloring was slow the world down. I was in my, I was in my own head and I was becoming my own enemy as far as like the negative thoughts. But once I started coloring and saw the, the, the superman symbol, I was like, okay, I am Superman. I can't take this on. Right. Like, let me turn this negative into a positive. [00:34:29] **Herbie Mack:** And, and then having someone there like Batman to support me helped out. Yeah. Very well.  [00:34:37] **Elaine Lindsay:** Well, kudos to your friend for being so empathetic and, and also picking up on how important that really was to you. Because sometimes people don't, they love us, but they don't pick up on our cues because we aren't [00:35:00] often very forthcoming. [00:35:03] **Elaine Lindsay:** We tend to sort of go sideways when we, when we really wanna say something of import. We're not often, you know, head on because there's so much going on inside. I have a, it's not, I don't think it's as useful as coloring or journaling, but in dating myself too, in the late eighties, I managed a dance studio and the young professional dancers would come in after school and they brought in their crap about their girlfriends and their boyfriends and the fight they had and the teacher that annoyed them, and yada, yada yada. [00:35:45] **Elaine Lindsay:** And it was just, You know, noise. And it's not just noise, okay? When you're in a space with a lot of people and there's a lot of negativity, you can actually, the air [00:36:00] is heavy, it's oppressive, like it's not good. So the first week I was there, I took a cardboard box, not very big. I colored it brightly, like put wrapping paper around it, and I wrote sea box, okay? [00:36:22] **Elaine Lindsay:** It's crap box. And when they come in after school that day, I said, okay, don't you all stand around me here, see this, this is the crap box. I'm putting it at the bottom of the stairs. And when you come in, I want you to dump everything, your boyfriends, your arguments, your teachers, your homework, your shitty grades, whatever. [00:36:45] **Elaine Lindsay:** Put 'em in the box. You can pick 'em up when you want, when you leave, or you can choose to just let them go. Doesn't matter to me. They don't come past that doorway. And all these years later, I [00:37:00] still know some of those wonderful dancers and they're incredible people. And the kids said, oh, you know, that's really cool. [00:37:08] **Elaine Lindsay:** I went home and I completely forgot that I had a fight with X, Y, Z, and, and it was just good. And it's it's something you can do in your home if you have a, a few children, because there's always, you know, a little bit of angst between siblings and what have you in classrooms, in, in dance studios, in wherever. [00:37:32] **Elaine Lindsay:** Having that external place to leave your troubles is better than dragging them around in your head. And I wouldn't have known how to voice that back then. It just kind of made sense to me. So if that's what you have to do with your social media, put it in a virtual box, put it in that crap box, and when you're [00:38:00] ready to go back to social, only take out the stuff that matters. [00:38:06] **Elaine Lindsay:** Not the bad stuff. Just leave that crap in there.  [00:38:11] **Herbie Mack:** I love that. Like I really do. I do. I love that. Thank you. You know, you do need a safe space to, to release that, you know, those emotions, so negative emotions. You know, and, and for myself But I, I didn't have a box. I just had like one of those, I guess you would call like a, a, a dump journal. [00:38:31] **Herbie Mack:** Right. Like just dumping out my, my emotions. Yeah. And then sometimes when the, when it was too much baggage I would write as if I was a three year old, you know? And it just, like, once I was able to like, release those emotions and, and just rip it out out the journal and just tearing it up, I was just like, oh, man, not only did that negative thought went away, but the, the, the baggage of stress that I was carrying with it is gone. [00:38:57] **Herbie Mack:** And, and it's highly important for that. So [00:39:00] like, even now in today's place, like there's not enough safe spaces that I see where you can actually express yourself release that baggage and feel good about it. Right. I know, like, you know, we, we love the human connection. Right. And even for myself, I do like peer meetings and whatnot, and sometimes people come in with the With that heavy emotion, like a, like, no, they're carrying, carrying like a blue wilm on them, and then after, after our sessions, they seem so better. [00:39:29] **Herbie Mack:** And it's just like, you know, just allowing people to express themselves and that's all they want. You know, I have a very close relationship with one of my sisters and, you know, when I'm going through it and I have the emotions, I always text her, Hey, do you have space for me? Right? Because one, I don't know what she's dealing with on, on opposite side of, of, of her, of her on opposite side of the phone. [00:39:52] **Herbie Mack:** But two, I also want to make sure that I'm not bombarding her with my nonsense of what I'm going [00:40:00] through and not validating her feelings. So I always ask her like, Hey, do you have space for me? And she's like you know, no, not right now. Or vice versa is like, Hey, let's sit down and schedule a spot. When you can vent, but then not only when you could vent, you know, it's like, hey, well, do you want feedback or do you just want someone to listen? [00:40:19] **Herbie Mack:** And that not only helped our communication so much better, but it also, we know what to prepare for. Right? So some, like, probably like a month ago, she was like, Hey do you have space for me? No feedback. And she went on like a two hour rant and I was just like, okay, you know, I'm fine. And she's, she was like, what do you think? [00:40:40] **Herbie Mack:** And I was just like, but you just told me you don't want any feedback. I was like, if you want feedback, guess what? Let's schedule tomorrow. I don't, I just, I wanna validate your feelings and your emotions. Not, not only because I, I I see you, but I want you to understand that I do hear you. Yeah.  [00:40:56] **Elaine Lindsay:** And I, and I think that's a really, sorry to interrupt you. [00:40:59] **Elaine Lindsay:** That's a really [00:41:00] important distinction because we're not always looking for people to ride in on their white horse and save us. We, we just wanna be heard.  [00:41:11] **Herbie Mack:** Yes. Yeah. Yeah. The support, even for myself through my, my challenges and my struggles, I wanted someone to, yeah, as you said now I didn't, I didn't want someone to be the superhero. [00:41:22] **Herbie Mack:** I just wanted to like, Hey, let me just vent whatever emotions that has been carrying for, for years that now I'm acknowledging. And then if I do want feedback or, or anything like that, I'll ask for it. You know what I mean? Let, let me, let me, Hey, can, can I get feedback here? Can I get feedback there and now, like, you know, that, that helped our relationship. [00:41:44] **Herbie Mack:** But I do that with everyone, right? The clients that I do work with, Hey, this is a safe space. If you want to vet, let's vent. If you want feedback, please let me know. Right? And sometimes I, you know, even if like, Hey, I want some feedback, I'm like, okay, fine. I'll allow them to vent and then I'll [00:42:00] sit there and I'll just have them answer their own questions. [00:42:05] **Herbie Mack:** And they're like, oh, oh, but you didn't really gimme feedback. I'm like, I don't think you really came here for feedback. I think you just came here to try to figure out the answer. You know the answer, but you just want to hear it out loud. And just giving them that space and opportunity helps out so much. [00:42:19] **Elaine Lindsay:** Oh, absolutely. And, and I can have to say thank you again for all that you do. I appreciate it because it's critically important. Having people that can, can be there for others, I think is incredible. And it's, I have to acknowledge that it takes a lot of work for you to be able to do that for others while still protecting yourself. [00:42:53] **Elaine Lindsay:** Yeah. Because that's an important skill to learn, to be able to do what you do.  [00:42:58] **Herbie Mack:** Thank you. Thank you. I've [00:43:00] learned They're importance of self-care boundaries. So, you know, Sundays is like my recharge day and if I, if I felt like I poured out too much on that that week, then obviously Saturday too, right? [00:43:12] **Herbie Mack:** And then allowing myself to say no. Right. No's a complete sentence. Hey, yes it is. Hey, her, her, Hey Herby, do you got space for me? No, I don't. You always have space for me. Can you make space? And it's like, no, I can't, because right now I'm barely aflo. I need to recharge myself before I take on whatever baggage that I have to take on. [00:43:30] **Herbie Mack:** You know, it's like, not to say like their baggage is negative or anything like that, but sometimes like I. It can be overwhelming, but then also I still have to juggle the husband and the father's side. So it's like, Hey, I got a lot on my plate as well. Give me a moment. Let me recharge and we can reevaluate this. [00:43:45] **Herbie Mack:** Or if that, if I notice they're in a crisis, then it's like, okay, obviously I'm gonna actually stop to, to, to assist. But for the most time, they're not really in a crisis, thank, thank goodness. But it's just like life is getting too much for [00:44:00] them and they don't know how to slow the world down, as I like to say. [00:44:03] **Herbie Mack:** And, you know, I'm like, Hey, what about the tools that we worked on? Have you tried this? Have we tried this? No, no. I just thought about calling you. And I'm just like, call me for option Z because I want you to, to feel like you have your power to change your world. And you do, you know, let's, you know. So I'm like, I'm here to navigate and coach you through it, but at the same time, I wanna make sure you believe in yourself and you have the confidence to do that, right. [00:44:28] **Herbie Mack:** And  [00:44:28] **Elaine Lindsay:** those, those resources that you've given others, that toolbox is with you at all times. Yes. And you know, it's like anything else, we get better and we become more expert at what we do when we do it more often.  [00:44:46] **Herbie Mack:** Yeah. Yes, yes. Practice, make progress. Absolutely. If we're, if we're not, if we're not doing any of the the practice, then how can we grow? [00:44:54] **Herbie Mack:** Right. It's like we're not making any progress. We're just, you know? Absolutely. I'm gonna use my resources [00:45:00] for this person, call that person for that. And sometimes it's like, Hey, you can do that, but you have to do the work too. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Like, I can plant the seed, but you have to take care of your garden baby like you have to. [00:45:13] **Elaine Lindsay:** Yeah. It's like, think, think of, you know when, when our kids learn to walk, if the first time your kid falls down, you pick him up and every time you pick him up, he's never gonna walk. Mm-hmm. Okay. He's just gonna wait for you to pick him up. Yeah. You know, that we, we get the resources that we need so that we can then implement them. [00:45:35] **Elaine Lindsay:** That's where men do.  [00:45:37] **Herbie Mack:** Oh yeah. Yeah. And even for myself, like I always try to, you know, use my own toolbox and then I, when I realize like some of the tools that I'm using are, is not being effective, then I know it's like it's time to chart new tool. Right? So like if there's a couple of clients I was working with last week and you know, I was like, Hey, how's your self care routine? [00:45:57] **Herbie Mack:** And yada yada, oh yeah, I've been doing this and doing this and doing [00:46:00] that. And I realized like just from the outside perspective that they was getting comfortable, which is cool to a certain extent. So I was like, Hey, I want you guys to try something different. It's like four of them, and they're like, oh, different. [00:46:12] **Herbie Mack:** And one, I'm like, I want you to do one activity that you haven't done before. Right. And it doesn't necessarily have to be, you know, something extreme like jumping out of a plane or anything. But I was like, one activity that you haven't done before. And one guy was like, well, you know, I never went jet skiing and I want to do it. [00:46:27] **Herbie Mack:** It looks like it's fun. Okay, well try it out. Yeah. And, and then another one of the other clients was like, well, you know, I've never been fishing, but I really wanna try fishing. Okay. Try it out. Right. Because at some point, once you hit a certain level, and I like to say this, like, once you hit a certain level, there's always come a new devil. [00:46:44] **Herbie Mack:** And whatever toolbox that you used to use, whatever tools that you used to use in your toolbox may not be effective for this devil. So you have to try something different to, to really maneuver yourself into a better way. And, you know, Try it out. You know, even for myself, like [00:47:00] there's certain things that I do to try out to, okay, I like it. [00:47:02] **Herbie Mack:** I didn't like it. I actually do like it. Let me actually sit down and try to learn how to play the piano. Let me actually sit down and try to learn a new language. Right? And it's something that's like, oh, it's challenging me, it's adding value to me, but it's also slowing the world down for me. Cause I'm not focusing on whatever problems I have or whatever issues that that's coming across. [00:47:21] **Herbie Mack:** It's just like, oh, I'm actually trying to learn this language. You know? Yeah. I'm horrible at it, but guess what? Over time I'm gonna get better at it. You know, just because I'm, I, I'm, I'm doing the reps. And that's just one positive way that I try to grow as a person, but also try to get away from those negative experiences and thoughts because it's like, oh, this is a new challenge. [00:47:42] **Elaine Lindsay:** Yeah. I think that's, that's a really, really good point. And another, well, this is a, a resource. It's a tool, but it's more. It's more part of your mindset, and that's the 80 20 rule. [00:48:00] Okay? The 80 20 rule fits across everything, you know, personal business, what have you. But I think for handling your stress and managing what's going on your life, you wanna know that, you know, guess what? [00:48:17] **Elaine Lindsay:** 80% of the time I'm doing well, I'm, I'm getting through my day, I'm having more positive thoughts. Then celebrate that there's 20%. That's just not gonna work. You're gonna try tools that at that time don't work, or you're just going to be in a, a wallow. It's what I sometimes call it, and you know what, that's okay because you're only gonna allow that 20% and then you shake it off and you go back to doing the things you need and using the resources that you have. [00:48:52] **Elaine Lindsay:** So that you stay in a more positive, but don't beat yourself up for not [00:49:00] making a hundred percent. Yeah. Okay. Nobody makes a hundred percent. That's perfect. Doesn't exist. Cuz guess what? It'd be boring. It would be so boring.  [00:49:11] **Herbie Mack:** A another analogy or, or how I view it is, you know, in the beginning when we are learning how to tie our, our shoe, we are horrible at it. [00:49:19] **Herbie Mack:** Yeah. But over time we get better at it. Right. And then there's moments when it's like, man, this is not the best knot, but whatever. I gotta keep it going and it's okay. So just like whatever skill sets that I'm trying to learn, I, I, I always compare it to tie my shoe, right? Like right now I'm currently trying to learn Spanish. [00:49:36] **Herbie Mack:** Am I good at it? No. Nowhere near it. Right. But I know, like over time I, I'll get better at it might not, may look, you know, lopsided one day and it might look perfect the next day. Right. And I even tested out with some of my friends in Spanish and they're just like, bro, keep practicing. You know? And I'm like, ok, it's cool. [00:49:56] **Herbie Mack:** It's cool. And then some of them are like, Hey, yo, that's, that's pretty good for a [00:50:00] beginner. That is really good for a beginning and that helps me. Okay, cool. I'm doing a decent job, you know, and, and now the school that my daughter goes to Spanish is like, she's learning that from pre-K all the way to high school. [00:50:14] **Herbie Mack:** Yeah. So it's like, oh, she's going to learn Spanish at some point. She's gonna be way fluent than I am. But you know, what, if I, if I can meet her where she's at and learn it, it's that level, you know, it's like, that's my accountability partner. You know what I mean? Yeah. And, and then Absolutely. And that helps me stay locked in and focus to just keep on practicing. [00:50:34] **Herbie Mack:** Keep on practicing. And then it, it's, and it's so funny now because like I can't really speak it very well. Yeah. But I can when I listen to like this artist called Bad Bunny, he's like probably the, one of the biggest artists in the world right now. And and his music, like, I was listening to it and I was like, wow, I actually understand the verse. [00:50:53] **Herbie Mack:** Yeah. But no problem. Now, when if you would ask Yeah, if you would've asked me like three months ago, [00:51:00] far from it, you know, like I got little words, but it like, it, it helped me. And not only that, like I told you, it slows the world down for me. I'm not too hard on myself. I'm actually like, okay, I'm flawed, but it's fine. [00:51:12] **Herbie Mack:** I'm learning and this is what life is all about. Learning and, and not comparing my, my Spanish to someone who have years of Spanish. She was like, no, I'm, look, I'm at this level and I'm okay with it. I'm growing. And it just, not only with Spanish, but just even with the healing journey. Yeah. Understanding that like, Hey, I'm at this level, but I am gonna grow. [00:51:32] **Herbie Mack:** Yes. It's weird speaking into the mirror, all these positive affirmations, cuz it's just you and your thoughts. It seems weird, but then after the time you get better at it. Like, oh yes, I am smart, I am love, I can change the world. Or you know, sitting down writing your feelings and emotions you might like, I don't know what to write or I'll start crying, but it's okay, you're growing because you're not gonna be that same person that you was yesterday. [00:51:55] **Elaine Lindsay:** Absolutely. Every day you have a chance to be a new [00:52:00] you, which I think is incredible. And all I can say is Ola. And then I think I, there's a couple more sentences which are totally irrelevant.  [00:52:14] **Herbie Mack:** Yeah. It, it takes time. It really does. Yeah. It's like [00:52:20] **Herbie Mack:** like, you know, it's like, it, it takes time. Just practicing that and, and really getting that down. But you know, like, Six months ago, I couldn't really even say that. That fluid. Yeah. Yeah. No,  [00:52:30] **Elaine Lindsay:** you did that  [00:52:30] **Herbie Mack:** really well. So it's like, oh, okay, cool. You know, and it, and it helps, but it, it, it's something that I know it's a new challenge and for me that's like part of my coping skills. [00:52:39] **Herbie Mack:** It's just like really taking time to learn a new language or reading a book or listening to a book or a podcast, right? Just all I want is just 15, 20 minutes of, of no distractions and something that's gonna add value to my life or entertain me.  [00:52:54] **Elaine Lindsay:** Yeah. Yeah. And entertainment can add, not just add value, but [00:53:00] it can be learning as well. [00:53:02] **Herbie Mack:** Yes, yes. You would catch me either watching the office Jerry Seinfeld Seinfeld, like probably one of my favorite shows, the Office as well. But then like, you know, even watching like an action movie, something like a comic superhero movie would also just like, oh, it's entertainment, right? Sometimes I don't want to think, I, I just want, I just want to just sit down and just. [00:53:23] **Herbie Mack:** And just go with the flow, because life can be overwhelming. Oh yeah. You know, but then also, not only that I realize like those moments where I don't think, like watching superhero movies Right. I built a lot of good friendships off of that. Yeah. You know, cuz it's like, oh, hey man, hey, you know, I'm not even thinking about the world. [00:53:41] **Herbie Mack:** We're talking about Marvel, we are talking about DC and all this other stuff. And it's just like, yo, this is fun, this is good. And then it's like, oh, okay. I am the weirdo. But if I'm such the weirdo, why do I have friends that also have the same thing? Right. Because I found people that, that get my love language. [00:53:59] **Herbie Mack:** [00:54:00] Yeah. It, it's huge.  [00:54:02] **Elaine Lindsay:** I met Stan Lee.  [00:54:05] **Herbie Mack:** I'm, I'm jealous.  [00:54:07] **Elaine Lindsay:** In a hangout. I spent an hour with him. And you are? My son is super my son was trying to get him. In an interview. I was with a group of friends in a hangout and I just, I think the Marvel universe is, is absolutely brilliant because it does give hope. [00:54:29] **Elaine Lindsay:** Yes. And, and that's, you know, incredible. Now, a little off script, but Guardians of the Galaxy, we're going as soon as it opens. Yes,  [00:54:41] **Herbie Mack:** yes. I, I'm asking my wife, Hey do you think, do you think your mama watch the kids? I'm like, I'm asking, but No, but it's, it's, it's something like that, right? Like, no, we was talking earlier in episode as far as. [00:54:55] **Herbie Mack:** You know, social media can be a negative thing, right? But it also can be a positive thing [00:55:00] because if you're that, that, that that kid or that, you know, teenager that's like, man, no one gets me, right? But then if you go into whatever platform you use, if you go like, look at whatever hashtag and you see someone that's talking about the Avengers or talking about gardens at Galaxy, right? [00:55:18] **Herbie Mack:** And they might be really passionate about group and you're like, I am group. And you're like, man, I love group too. That person love group. Let me follow them. And that follow might lead into a dm. And then next thing you know, you, you got your own fan club, right? You got people that get your love language. [00:55:32] **Herbie Mack:** So life doesn't seem too stressful, right? Like, oh man. Like, man, I, people are making fun of the way I dress or how I talk. Right. The fact that I'm always wearing superhero outfits or whatnot. But guess what? I found people that got me. Yeah. Right. They may not physically be here, but hey man, I can DM them or I can go into whatever, like Facebook group or, or whatever, chat and find them and just really be a sponge. [00:55:57] **Herbie Mack:** Or I can act, actually express myself the way that I [00:56:00] want to express myself  [00:56:01] **Elaine Lindsay:** and be part of your community.  [00:56:04] **Herbie Mack:** Yes. That part.  [00:56:06] **Elaine Lindsay:** Yeah, that's, that is definitely the good part of social media is that you can find community and the other thing that sometimes can be hard for us to get, and it's hard to stay there, but if you are looking for good, you're gonna find it. [00:56:27] **Elaine Lindsay:** If you are hesitant, You're more likely to pull in negative. And if you're looking for negative, I guarantee you'll find it cuz there's a ton of it. But it is our intention. What you put out there is what you get back. Okay? If you walk into a bodega to buy something and you're smiling and you say, thanks very much, and the person behind the counter might have been a little surly with the person before you, but they're polite with you because [00:57:00] you just lifted their vibration and it makes you feel good, it makes them feel good. [00:57:07] **Elaine Lindsay:** Okay? I drive my husband crazy because I wanna say hi to everybody on the planet. Okay? Everybody I walk by, doesn't matter if you've got headphones on, I'll do this. If you know, it doesn't matter if you're on a bicycle or whatever. I, I wanna say hello. And it's amazing. People don't often immediately hear you. [00:57:31] **Elaine Lindsay:** Yeah. But then they'll turn around and go, oh, hi. You know, because we are so in our little bubbles, if ya let that bubble go a little and your intention is to pull, good to you. Now I'm getting really esoteric. I know. No, that's fine. But you can in fact affect what's around you and, and bring better things towards you. [00:57:58] **Elaine Lindsay:** And when you get in the [00:58:00] habit of doing it, then it makes those tough times a lot easier and a lot shorter. Yeah.  [00:58:09] **Herbie Mack:** I, I definitely agree with that. People want to be around good energy. Yeah. Yeah. Always around good energy even. Even, even when you're not like thinking, like the other day I went, I went grocery shopping and I'm like, I'm so locked into like, let me hurry up, lemme grab my groceries and come back home. [00:58:29] **Herbie Mack:** And, you know, I'm a pretty much of a positive person and I don't know, at this time I just was like, horse with blinders. Just like, let me hurry up. Lemme grab this and hurry you back. Hurry up back home. Cuz you know, the misses need help with the, with the kiddos. And I had, it was someone that was like, Hey, you never know who's watching you. [00:58:51] **Herbie Mack:** It was someone that was like, Hey, I always see you all the time, like everything okay. And I was just go, yeah, I'm good. Like, hey, how, how are you? You know? And it was like, oh, you know, you don't seem like yourself. And I'm just like, [00:59:00] I'm just, I was just focused and whatever. Yeah. And I thought, man, I never realized like, who's watching me? [00:59:07] **Herbie Mack:** No, it was like the target that I always run to. And she's like, Hey, is everything okay? Like, are you doing fine? Like, you just don't seem like yourself. And I was just like, no, I'm fine. I'm just, you know, trying to hurry up and you know, help the wife out with the kids. And that person was like, oh, okay. [00:59:19] **Herbie Mack:** Like, you know, I just wanted to make sure just checking in because you know, when I see you, you, you know, bring so much joy to me. And I was just like, but you don't even know me. Right? But it's just like, like that type of thing. And it was just like one of those like, oh wow. Oh, well thank you. I didn't realize I was making an impact when, you know, when you see me shopping, you know, I'm like, oh no, you always say hi. [00:59:41] **Herbie Mack:** You always ask me how I'm doing. Yeah. You know, I just thought like something was bugging you and I just wanted to make sure you was okay. And I was like, oh, well thank you.  [00:59:48] **Elaine Lindsay:** And, and see that's perfect. That's part of the law of reciprocity because you give out so much positive all the time when you come around, and [01:00:00] that's not the vibration you have. [01:00:03] **Elaine Lindsay:** The people that you've always been nice to, are going to wonder and, and that, that the reciprocity is in checking in to make sure you are okay because you're not presenting as you normally do. I just think is absolutely  [01:00:22] **Herbie Mack:** wonderful. I I just had to share that.  [01:00:25] **Elaine Lindsay:** Oh, that's fabulous. Absolutely fabulous. So, oh my God, I, you and I could talk forever. [01:00:32] **Herbie Mack:** It's just a conversation.  [01:00:34] **Elaine Lindsay:** It's just a conversa. Yeah. Yeah. Well, by next year we will have a conversation face to face. I'm, I'm putting that one on my agenda. What would you like to leave our audience with today? [01:00:54] **Herbie Mack:** I would like to leave them with understanding that you're not by yourself. I. You [01:01:00] know, during the, during the struggles that I was having, I thought I was by myself until I allowed my pride to actually sit there and decide to use my resources in understanding that, that I do have resources. They may not have all the answers, but guess what? [01:01:16] **Herbie Mack:** They can actually help and guide me to the help that I do need. So, understanding that you're not by yourself, but understanding that that ask for help or resources or using your resources is such a great thing cuz you're not by yourself and you, you can find people that's gonna understand your energy, your vibe, your language. [01:01:36] **Herbie Mack:** So go out there and ask for help and receive it. Be okay with it.  [01:01:41] **Elaine Lindsay:** Absolutely. And just think you're not asking for help. You're using your resources. Yes. That was so well put, Herby, once again, thank you so much for being my guest. I so appreciate having you here. Your wisdom, your joy, and your [01:02:00] energy is lovely. [01:02:02] **Elaine Lindsay:** Absolutely lovely. Thank you for listening. It's wonderful to have you with us as well. And as I always say, make the very best of your today every day, and I'll see you next time. Bye for now. Thank  --------------------

So honoured to once again speak with Herbie. He's a fellow survivor with a huge mission.  We talk about Social Media and You.. the Good the Bad and the Resources you can use to manage your digital life.    Empowering Suicide Prevention Specialist and Keynote Speaker with Expertise in Suicide Ideation Education and Post-Attempt Guidance | Host of the Just Believe Show | Dedicated to Helping Those Struggling with Suicide.   Daily Dose of Inspiration! Mental health is not a destination; it's a journey. A journey that requires patience, self-love, and support. Remember to care for your mental health daily, not just during Mental Health Month. #JustBelieve #MentalHealthMatters Suicide Prevention Specialist • Suicide Ideation Educator • Provide post-suicide attempt guidance • Keynote Speaker Host of @thejustbelieveshow.   Socials And Site https://herbiemack.com/ https://www.facebook.com/imherbiemack/  https://www.instagram.com/hbmack https://www.tiktok.com/@herbiemack https://www.twitter.com/HBMACK https://www.youtube.com/@imherbiemack   ------------------------------------------- Transcript # Herbie Mack Returns S4 E15 [00:00:00]  [00:00:00] **Elaine Lindsay:** Hello. It's good to be back. Very happy to be here and excited to have a returning guest today I'm going to be here with Herby Mack, who was on the show back in 2022. And we have a lot to talk about. This is gonna be more of a conversation about what we see going on now. Herbie Mac is an amazing speaker. [00:00:28] **Elaine Lindsay:** He's all about suicide prevention and just one of the loveliest guys I've ever met. So, without further ado, here we go. Hi. Herbie.  [00:00:42] **Herbie Mack:** How's everything?  [00:00:43] **Elaine Lindsay:** It's good. It's good to see you.  [00:00:46] **Herbie Mack:** Likewise, likewise. I'm, I'm honored to be a returning guest and also, I'm just ready for this conversation. I think that's how we can prevent suicide. [00:00:56] **Herbie Mack:** It's just my conversation.  [00:00:58] **Elaine Lindsay:** That is such a [00:01:00] perfect start to this. Yes it is conversation. Talking is, to me the most important thing and I know for your generation and younger, we're starting to get that message out. For my generation, talking was not something you ever give. And I have a, a real deep-seated need to make sure that all of us, right down to the youngest person who might have a suicidal thought, I want you to know you need to reach out and talk to someone, anyone. [00:01:47] **Elaine Lindsay:** Don't keep it inside, because what people sometimes don't remember all the thoughts that run through your head. Number one, they're not real. Number two, they're not true. And number three, when you [00:02:00] tell someone you lessen that burden. [00:02:06] **Elaine Lindsay:** So that, that's my little often running. That's  [00:02:10] **Herbie Mack:** your TED talk?  [00:02:12] **Elaine Lindsay:** That's my mini TED talk. Yes, yes. Talk to somebody. Anybody  [00:02:17] **Herbie Mack:** I do agree. You know, for myself, during the, the challenges that I had, the struggles and, and trying to decide if I wanna be here or not, I found it easier once I started talking to like, really backtrack that man, you know, do, do I wanna make that forever decision. [00:02:37] **Herbie Mack:** And it's like, no, I don't, I actually want to be here, but I want the pain to end. And, but I. When I sat down and started having conversations with people, right. The, support group that I like to say, they really helped me reframe my mindset of like, man, I understand that you're hurting, but it is okay to, to, to ask for help. [00:02:56] **Herbie Mack:** And now, like, you know, being a guy like, oh my [00:03:00] life, they've been saying, you know, asking for help is a sign of weakness. **So I started reframing my mindset into let me use my resources, and that changed everything. ** [00:03:12] **Elaine Lindsay:** Oh my God, that's brilliant. That is brilliant.  [00:03:17] **Herbie Mack:** Yeah. You just being told, like, you know, asking for help. [00:03:21] **Herbie Mack:** Weakness, weakness, weakness. But then when you look at it and you say, let me ask, let me use my resources, it it, it's you realizing like, man, I have great assets and friends or maybe access to actually seek someone to, to. Provide the proper help that I need, whether it's a, you know, a counselor, a therapist, social worker, whomever works for you that can help you get out of that negative mindset. [00:03:46] **Herbie Mack:** And once I've said that, it was just like, oh, life is so much easier. Right? Because like, like if my car breaks down and I know I need a ride, I'm gonna call you. Not because I'm active for help, I'm just looking at my phone and I'm looking at the resources that I have that can give me a [00:04:00] ride to where I need to go. [00:04:01] **Herbie Mack:** Yes.  [00:04:03] **Elaine Lindsay:** And I'm sorry you'll wait a little while for me to get there, but I'll be there.  [00:04:07] **Herbie Mack:** You're worth the wait.  [00:04:08] **Elaine Lindsay:** Okay. You're such a sweetheart. Oh. Giving aside, no, I think that's a really, really good point. Reframing gives us an opportunity. To turn things on their head. And we talk about that in business. [00:04:24] **Elaine Lindsay:** Yes, a lot reframing how you go about managing your business can inject a, a whole new outlook. So why not, you know, take that as a resource and use that in your personal toolbox. And that brings us to two things. I really believe that we need to start the conversations with elementary school children. [00:04:55] **Elaine Lindsay:** Suicidal ideation starts a lot younger than [00:05:00] people think. And y you said you decided y you knew you wanted to be here. People who know my story know that I lost a dear friend at 16 and her death was her showing me. That leaving was not the best option and what it would do to those that I would leave behind. [00:05:27] **Elaine Lindsay:** And I think because I'm so hardheaded, the universe decided that that was the way to show me. And, and it doesn't work for everybody. It's not necessary for everybody, thank God. But we need to be sure that from childhood you understand that not everything that goes through your head ha you have to act on, or, or is the truth or, or is in fact reality. [00:05:58] **Elaine Lindsay:** And you [00:06:00] can't fix what you don't understand or don't know. And, and in all honesty, I don't think school prepares us for any of the things that actually happen in life.  [00:06:15] **Herbie Mack:** Yes. And I, I would say yes and no. Yeah. Like, is there, is there, is there a, a subject for it? Like in a school curriculum, probably not. [00:06:23] **Herbie Mack:** Right? But then when you come across certain teachers, certain teachers have a certain way on you. You know, for myself, I was having, in high school, I was really struggling. My sister died from cancer. And one of my friends who was like, Hey, you know, do you play basketball? Whatnot, was like, oh, yeah, yeah, I do. [00:06:41] **Herbie Mack:** And I was actually pretty good. And then he suggests, let's go on the basketball team. Let's try out, we make the team. And it was a coach that really helped me out, not only in that moment, but in life. He was always saying, Hey Herby, what's the weakest areas in your game? I'm just like, dude, I don't know. [00:06:57] **Herbie Mack:** You're the coach. Like, you're supposed to let me know. [00:07:00] And he's like he's like, all right, look, I'm gonna teach you the, these tools to know what areas to improve on. So this way when the season's over, you can work on it. Cool, right? Like just analyzing my game. So when I was going through my suicidal ideations and, and, and attempts when it's like time to pick me up, I decided to use that method, right? [00:07:20] **Herbie Mack:** But instead of using it in a basketball term of like, oh, like, let me look at the film. The film was me sitting down and actually journaling, right? So this way I was able to understand what areas in my life I have to improve on. You know, in my mind, you know, when, when you, you know, when you're in your twenties and your thirties, you think, I know it all right? [00:07:39] **Herbie Mack:** Like, my life is good. My life is amazing. But then when I sat down and took that moment to pause and analyze the game and, and my writing right, I realized my foundation was extremely weak. I didn't really have a great foundation, so what can I do? What can I work on? How to build a foundation, right? [00:07:55] **Herbie Mack:** Then it went from finances, right? Like realizing that I am [00:08:00] making a lot of irrational decisions, emotional decisions, instead of logical decisions on like, Hey, I'm going out to the club, I'm going out to the strip clubs, I'm going out to the bars. We're going here and there. But then the long term, I wasn't really putting an investment on myself, right? [00:08:14] **Herbie Mack:** So it was like stuff like that. And I always thank coach White for just taking the time to help me break down the game of basketball. But then I had to learn how to reframe my mind and use it in a, in a way of like, in a game of life, what areas do I need to prove on? What can I do? What, what was, and that despite like one of the biggest, like, thank you. [00:08:36] **Herbie Mack:** I can, I can, I can say about him. Yeah. And, and it was wasn't just the. The skills of basketball he taught also taught me about life. Hey man, you know, slow down. You're moving too fast. It's fast. You don't need to hang out with people. That's taking, taking a, well, not taking, but adding distractions in your life. [00:08:55] **Elaine Lindsay:** It's incredible. And I think all of us have those people in our lives. [00:09:00] Sometimes it takes a while for us to, to be able to remember what it was that someone did for you or, or you know, how useful the information you learned was. But I think everybody at some point gets someone in their life. And if you can be aware of these types of mentors and these types of people, then when we are open, To help when we're open to resources, let's say, let's not use the word help when we're open to resources and to, to interacting with others who may have other game plans that we can use. [00:09:48] **Elaine Lindsay:** The universe provides whether you call it God or the universe or a higher power, whatever you call it. Okay. They, it will be provided. It's [00:10:00] just a matter of being open, being curious. Right. I think that's really important and, and that, that's sort of let, let's segue into what I see as one of the biggest issues. [00:10:17] **Elaine Lindsay:** A a, an area I've, I've worked in for many, many years, but social media is both a blessing and a curse. And like everything that's happening right now online ai, all of the, the changes that we are going through, it is ramping up to the speed of light. And none of us had the time or the foresight to listen to those who were saying, caution, caution here. [00:10:56] **Elaine Lindsay:** And here we are. You and I are here [00:11:00] because suicide in the world now is the second leading cause of death. More than 800,000 people died from suicide every year. Like that's, that's a staggering number. And the most, I think, terrifying. Part of that. Is, there are many, many times social media's involved. [00:11:31] **Elaine Lindsay:** Yeah,  [00:11:32] **Herbie Mack:** yeah, yeah. I, you know, it, it's, I love social media and I hate it at the same time, you know, you can be, be someone with you know, amazing smile and you can post a picture like, oh, what a wonderful day. And then you'll have someone that you may, you you may know or you may not know, that will reply in your picture and be like, oh, you're ugly, or whatever, you're fat, or whatever. [00:11:56] **Herbie Mack:** And it's, and that can just be a [00:12:00] spark for someone who's already having insecurities that's just like, man, you know what? I'm always getting picked on. Nobody loves me. And you learn not to love yourself. And then you go into that negative place of making that forever decision and. I feel like when it comes to social media, yes we do dictate what we watch, what we control, who's in our who's on our feed no matter what platform you choose. [00:12:22] **Herbie Mack:** And for myself, I had to do something. When I was in that negative mindset, I just got off of social media cause I wasn't that strong enough. And then when I got back on social media, I started unfollowing some of my friends that wasn't align, aligning to what I wanted. Right. I wanted to be someone who woke up and had positive thoughts, all this stuff. [00:12:44] **Herbie Mack:** So I started following people that was inspiring me to do that. And I started unfollowing people who was just like poaching, posting pictures of like, them just sitting on the couch, right? Like, it's not really adding the value that I needed or, or they started posting things [00:13:00] that wasn't aligned with me as far as like negative Negative, negative fights. [00:13:04] **Herbie Mack:** Like, you know, it's just like, oh, you know, like all this negative stuff. And it's just like, I didn't need that. And it takes, I wanna say bravery to one, acknowledge like, Hey, I'm not in that mindset to, to receive all this negative stuff. I don't want this negative stuff. Let me unfollow certain people. Like I unfollow some of my family members, right? [00:13:25] **Herbie Mack:** Not because I don't love them, but what they was shown on their feet, I didn't wanna see anymore. Yeah. And then I, same thing with friends. And for that, you know, when it comes to social media, you want to make sure that you're, you're following people. That's going to inspire you or gonna add value, whether it's entertainment of like, you know, something that's gonna make you laugh, that's not gonna bring you down. [00:13:46] **Herbie Mack:** Yeah. And I think, I think it should be something that's talked about now. It's like we control our social media that is like our cable to say the least, right? Yeah. So it's like, hey, let me, let me follow this. Whether it's a sports team, whether it's a [00:14:00] motivational speaker, whether it is your favorite podcast about, about phishes, right? [00:14:05] **Herbie Mack:** Like, it's like, let me follow something that makes me happy, that add value and the stuff that doesn't, I'm just gonna block out. I don't wanna see this, I don't want that. And then that just only thing, only thing that's gonna come from that is obviously you being a better person, but you're gonna get the right people in your circle. [00:14:21] **Herbie Mack:** Yeah. That's gonna vibe with you. That's gonna not bring you down, but lift you up.  [00:14:26] **Elaine Lindsay:** Absolutely. And in talking to younger people, I know how exciting it is to, to get likes and to have comments and, you know, and, and to try and keep up with those, sorry. But the Kardashians and what have you. And I'm not knocking the Kardashians. [00:14:50] **Elaine Lindsay:** Okay. I have to say for, for all the stuff that's out there, these are good, smart business women Okay. Who put a [00:15:00] lot of effort into what they do and, and kudos to you. And, and I have to say, I actually like Kylie's lipsticks, so there you go. Even at my age, but all of those people, okay. They didn't start with a billion followers. [00:15:18] **Elaine Lindsay:** They didn't start yesterday. So all of the young people that are looking at the college Jenners and, and What's Kelsey Ballerini and, and all of these people, yes, it looks wonderful, but they didn't get there in five minutes. You have to take time. There's no rush to living your life. Try and be where you are. [00:15:43] **Elaine Lindsay:** And for, for me, I see the problem with the young people is one bad comic can be the end of somebody. Like, it's happened. This, this is not, you know, this is not a fairy [00:16:00] story. This is the truth. And, and the fact is, I, I have a, a different take now than I would have early on in social media, even young people. [00:16:13] **Elaine Lindsay:** I want you to look at the people that troll others, the people that say hurtful things that don't even know you. Imagine, okay. That you can see into their life. I guarantee you, you're going to see pain and hurt and trauma and old stuff that they're carting along with them because people who hurt are the ones who hurt other people. [00:16:43] **Elaine Lindsay:** And, and that's true all the time. It doesn't matter what they're hurting with. I posted a little video on the Instagram it was one of the school shootings. I, [00:17:00] I just breaks my heart. And this year specifically, it's been happening so much. There were more than 150 shootings and there weren't 150 days in the year at that point. [00:17:14] **Elaine Lindsay:** And I, I just had enough. It was late at night. I'm tired of crying over other people's children. And I just got on and said like, I'm sorry, America, what is wrong? What is wrong with you? That you value guns more than children? Yeah. How? How can that be? And I had a couple of really vicious trolls that were calling me all kinds of things. [00:17:38] **Elaine Lindsay:** And it was like, okay, I feel very sad for you. Thank you for sharing. And that's that because I can't do anything about your opinion if you are not open to learning something new. And therefore, me trying to interact with you [00:18:00] or change your opinion at this point is futile for me. So if I just say, thank you for sharing, and this came from Marissa Pier, a hypnotist. [00:18:13] **Elaine Lindsay:** That sort of diffuses things because there's no comeback for them. No, it's not okay. And any comeback is if, if you are somewhere where you have to engage, you just keep repeating. Thank you for sharing, because you don't wanna be rude, you don't wanna engage and ramp it up because the only person who's gonna get hurt is you. [00:18:41] **Elaine Lindsay:** And in social media, my suggestion for young people, the minute someone trolls you and it's someone you don't know, block them. I don't care what platform you're on, I don't care that your friends follow them. Don't care about [00:19:00] any of that. Somebody attacks you. Think of that as your little space. Okay? [00:19:05] **Elaine Lindsay:** That's your little place. Somebody comes into your home and attacks you, you block them, they're gone. Okay. And, and there's no three strikes here, okay? We are talking about your mental health, your wellbeing, and, and keeping you going. So no three strikes, one strike block. 'em, you do not, as Herbe said, you don't need that in your life. [00:19:33] **Elaine Lindsay:** No, you don't. It's just not worth it.  [00:19:36] **Herbie Mack:** Yeah, no, I wanted to add to that as well. You know, if, you know, it doesn't even matter if you don't know them, if you know, like it's not worth your energy. As far as as like the negative stuff, the negative comments, even for myself, like, you know, as much positive stuff I try to send out to the world, I do get negative comments or negative dms. [00:19:54] **Herbie Mack:** And even with that, you know, I acknowledge it. Okay. All right. That's how you feel. I didn't [00:20:00] resonate with you. Okay, cool. And. I don't even, I don't even take it home with me. You know, as far as like that. It's like, oh, okay, cool. Like that's, everyone is entitled to how they feel, what, you know. But for myself, I know, like I'm trying to add good, I'm trying to be the, the, the shine my light, right? [00:20:20] **Herbie Mack:** Like I'm trying to shine people light on who, who are struggling. Oh, just might just need a, a little pick me up. And sometimes it's, it's me, right? Like I'll create a pulse and I see it like two days later, like, oh, you know what? That actually resonated. And for the negative feedback that I do get back, it's just like, okay, cool. [00:20:36] **Herbie Mack:** Thank you. As you said, thank you. Appreciate it. And just keep it pushing it. And if they do want to keep going, then yeah, obviously you just hit the block button. You know, I, I'm all about creating space for people who need space, but also you have to put on your own, your own oxygen mask, right? This is not helping me, so I can't assist you. [00:20:54] **Herbie Mack:** Yeah. You know, you know, so it's like leave me alone. But, but needless to say, when it comes to to social [00:21:00] media, I do give myself a limit, right? Because it can be unhealthy. Yeah, it can be addictive as far as like, oh, look how many likes I got, look how many people view my reels. But then it's like, am I really doing it for, you know, the benefit of helping out people or am I doing it for the likes? [00:21:16] **Herbie Mack:** And it, when you start thinking about that or questioning that, that's when you might have to take a moment to just get off of social media. So, you know, one day, one day a week, my one day is like Sundays. I really don't try to engage on social media. I might have some stuff scheduled to post, but as far as like me like spending hours on it, nah, it, it's, I need to still be, you know, dealing with the kids, dealing with the wife, or just taking a walk and just really being present in in life. [00:21:45] **Elaine Lindsay:** Absolutely. And yeah, Sunday around here the dog and I go see my dad and. You know, we, we do family things and what have you, and the only reason I even have a phone beside me is because my father's 90 years [00:22:00] old and he needs to be able to get in contact with me. I very often leave the phone in the kitchen because it's just, it's become so, it's not even secondary anymore. [00:22:15] **Elaine Lindsay:** It's so far down the list of priorities that yes, as a business we, we do schedule things that will go out and that's, that is, you know, it's part of business. You have to, but for, for me, responding and what have you, I found that weekends should be for family and if you can take one or two days to just sort of distance yourself from it all. [00:22:42] **Elaine Lindsay:** Now, I understand if you are a teenager or you are in your twenties, You are thinking, I have two heads and I'm a nut. There's no way you're gonna spend that much time away from your friends. And it's okay. I [00:23:00] totally get it. But you wanna be sure. Okay, Herbie said, are you doing it to add value or are you doing it? [00:23:09] **Elaine Lindsay:** And I'm gonna say for the dopamine, yeah, that hit of dopamine inside is such a boost. That's what those likes do for you. It puts little firecrackers off in your head that that give you that wonderful feeling. And we all love dopamine. We love that, that euphoria that you get. And that's good. But it's like anything else. [00:23:35] **Elaine Lindsay:** Think about eating three ice cream cones instead of one, and then you get sick. Okay, really that third one was not worth it. Cut back a little. Give yourself as her rec. Give yourself time. Yes. Set yourself a limit and stick to that limit. And please God for if you do nothing [00:24:00] else, I want you, before you hit the floor with your feet in the morning, take a couple of breaths. [00:24:09] **Elaine Lindsay:** Be grateful that you're breathing. Think about your day and get the hell out of the bed before you touch that phone or tablet or whatever else it is that you've got stuck beside your head. Okay? Because all that external stuff, as much as it's fun and important in your life, it's not the end all be all. [00:24:34] **Elaine Lindsay:** And when you start each day with gratitude, you are more likely to finish that day the same way.  [00:24:41] **Herbie Mack:** Yes. I, I wouldn't say so. That's a funny story. Not a really funny story, but so it was like me, me and my brother, a couple of my friends, we went out to like, go out to eat and one of my friends was like, all right, look dude. [00:24:56] **Herbie Mack:** We're all on our phone, we're out here, we're, you know, we all came to see each other [00:25:00] like, what's going on? And so we had a friendly bet, everybody put down this, their cell phone, and it was four of us. And it was like everybody putting down their cell phone, the first person picks up their cell phone, has to pay the whole entire task. [00:25:11] **Herbie Mack:** All right, now you think it's like four guys, so you know it's gonna be way more than like 20 bucks. And so with that, it was just like, oh, okay, this is like challenging. But then it, it, the, I'm gonna show my age. It took us back before like the cell phone times where everybody just was engaging and having conversations and really actually catching up and not just like, oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah. [00:25:36] **Herbie Mack:** Oh, hey, did you see this? Oh, guess what? Like, you know, like, this is what's going on in the, in the world of sports, or this is what's going on in pop culture. And it was just like, no. Like, we actually was like, Hey, what's going on in your life? How's everything improving? Did you actually get that bonus that you was looking for? [00:25:49] **Herbie Mack:** Did you get that raise right? Or, Hey, how's school going? And we did that. And obviously dinner was probably like an hour, hour and a half or so. And for that hour and a [00:26:00] half, like you hear the phone's buzzing and no one picked up the phone. Well, one, nobody wanted to pick up that tab, but it was like, man, we took it back to back in the days before cell phones. [00:26:11] **Herbie Mack:** Right? Like I like to say BC times before cell phones. Oh, I like that. And, and we was just actually just engaging into conversations and not only engages in, into conversations, but like really engaging with it and within us, right? Like, man, I'm making an investment into you cuz you know what, this is the most important thing that I'm never gonna get this time with you. [00:26:31] **Herbie Mack:** I can always replay a reel or replay a YouTube video, whatever, but I can't re, I can't. Repurpose this, right? This event of like, yes, man, here we are. We're actually doing well. One is in college, one is actually like in their field, the other one is still trying to figure out how can we support. So I was like, seeing that was, was something that I enjoy. [00:26:53] **Herbie Mack:** And then like every time, every now and then when we do go out, we always like, Hey, no cell phones. He's like, oh, you gonna pick up the [00:27:00] tab? All right. No cell phones, you know, unless it's like, you know, the wife or something like that. Yeah, yeah. Then like, okay, cool, we get it. But like, other than that, it's like, dude, we don't wanna see No, no Facebook, no Instagram, no TikTok, no YouTube. [00:27:12] **Herbie Mack:** We just want to like, Hey, let's spend time and and catch up. Yeah.  [00:27:16] **Elaine Lindsay:** No, and I think that's important. And I think even, even if you are 11, 12, 13, you need to make a plan with your friends to do that maybe once a week. Okay. Spend an hour with your friends. Face to face and talk to them. Just talk to them. [00:27:37] **Elaine Lindsay:** Because talking seems to be a, a lot less of what younger people do. I see it all the time. You go into a restaurant and there are kids sitting at the table and they all have phones, but if you go really close, they're talking to the other people at the table, just  [00:27:55] **Herbie Mack:** texted each other. It's like,  [00:27:57] **Elaine Lindsay:** what? Yeah. [00:27:57] **Elaine Lindsay:** That is crazy. Yeah. [00:28:00] And the first time I saw that I, I literally stopped and the young lady across the table laughed and looked up and smiled across the table and I thought, oh, please tell me they're not actually texting each other. And I went up to the table. First of all, they thought it was just some nutty old lady, whoa, what do you want, woman? [00:28:23] **Elaine Lindsay:** And I said, you know, I don't mean to be rude, but are you texting each other? And they looked at me like I had three heads and were. Yeah, but they're in front of you. Like, could you not say that? And, and they, they took a beat and looked at me like, oh yeah, I guess they, they didn't stop. They went back to their texting that we saw them later, but maybe I put a little bug in their head that the next time they'll look up and actually say something to the person at the table. [00:28:59] **Elaine Lindsay:** [00:29:00] We, we have become, you know, I've said before as such a society of immediacy and, and fomo. Like, God forbid we don't know something happened this second. That's no way to live. If you are, you're constantly pushing your body. It's not just about dopamine. When you make yourself so stressed that you're waiting for to be sure you know what happens, you are, you know, flooding yourself with cortisol and other. [00:29:32] **Elaine Lindsay:** Hormones and things that are not helpful to you, and being in that hyper state, that was, that was good when you were a caveman and you were running away from sabertooth tigers. But we don't have those kinds of immediate danger every second in our lives anymore. Yet that's how we are living internally, and that's causing all kinds of problems [00:30:00] for young people and old people alike because it, it is not, the body is not meant to produce that amount of cortisol or, or those amounts of adrenaline or, or the, the fear motivators that flight, fight, or flight response, it should not be 24 7. [00:30:22] **Elaine Lindsay:** Yeah.  [00:30:23] **Herbie Mack:** No, I agree. No, I agree with that. I just wanted to, to add value to what you said as far as like that, you know, sometimes not only with social media, the world seem like it's moving too fast and, and to take that moment to slow it down, whether you start writing, whether you start journaling, coloring, whatever. [00:30:46] **Herbie Mack:** Just taking a moment to just not be in the phone, not really engage, to just be with your thoughts. And for some people it can be, man, that's, that's a lot to take on my own thoughts. But releasing those thoughts, [00:31:00] whether they're negative or positive, helps, right? You, you're keeping all that inside, you're keeping all that bottle up where to a point where it's like, man, it's unhealthy. [00:31:09] **Herbie Mack:** And like, oh, well I just share it with my friends. I'll text and whatever sometimes, and I'm just speaking for myself. Sometimes you may not want that feedback. Right. You just want to be, have a, a, a safe space to vent and not everybody is strong enough to, to take on whatever burden that you have to carry. [00:31:28] **Herbie Mack:** Yeah. And that's why I find it so easier, beneficial to release those emotions, whether it's in a book or, or coloring. Yeah. Right. Excuse me. So one of the times I was really struggling and I was on, on the way of picking myself up. One of my buddies, my buddies probably like 6 4, 6 5, 300 pounds. And he's like, Hey, we're gonna go play basketball, right? [00:31:52] **Herbie Mack:** He was like as we called him around the way, like Baby Shaq and and he's like, oh, you know, you like my Kobe, right? And I'm like, okay, cool. You know, he's like, Hey, I'm [00:32:00] gonna come pick you up. We're gonna go play basketball. And I'm really like, I'm not in the, the greatest mindset right now to play basketball, let alone to be around people. [00:32:09] **Herbie Mack:** The world was moving way too fast. My negative thoughts was like racing. And for some reason, you know, I had a coloring book, and the coloring book was like the Justice League. And I was like, Hey, I'm gonna go color. And he's like, Hey, you know, you know, he's banging on my door. He's like, Hey, Herby, you ready? [00:32:25] **Herbie Mack:** And I'm like, no, I just, I just need the color. Like, and he's just like, yeah bro, can we go like, forget the coloring, like can we go play basketball? And I'm like, no, you don't understand. I need to do this. And he's going back and forth with me and I scream at him and I'm a pretty like, calm dude. Yeah. He's like, I just need to color right now. [00:32:47] **Herbie Mack:** And he's just like, all right, I'm just gonna have a seat. And I kid you not, the only thing I colored was the S on Superman's chest. That was it. I didn't color [00:33:00] anything else. It was just that, and that s you know, if, if you're a Superman fan, it's like hope, right? Yeah. And I needed something to hold onto. [00:33:08] **Herbie Mack:** And that s was hope. And you know, I thank my friend. He didn't really press me right away, like, Hey, no, like, what's going on? And we waited to, like, after basketball, and I told him, I was like, man, the world was moving too fast. And I needed something to provide hope, Superman. The s was the hope. And I needed to color, I'm not gonna lie you, I did not color very well. [00:33:31] **Herbie Mack:** I was barely in those lines, but it's just something that I needed to slow down. And he got it. And he was like, Hey, okay, this is bigger than just like sports. If you ever need to talk, let's talk. You know? And he's like, Hey, do you want to go get a beer? Do you wanna do that? And I was just like, no. I just, I just wanna go home and color. [00:33:52] **Herbie Mack:** And he's like, all right, cool. Drop me off. He stayed in the crib to like watch basketball while I was coloring. And he just wanted to, I guess like [00:34:00] now that I look at it, he just wanted to make sure that I was okay. And, and I say this story because sometimes we need someone, but then we also need something to help slow the world down. [00:34:11] **Herbie Mack:** And for me, coloring was slow the world down. I was in my, I was in my own head and I was becoming my own enemy as far as like the negative thoughts. But once I started coloring and saw the, the, the superman symbol, I was like, okay, I am Superman. I can't take this on. Right. Like, let me turn this negative into a positive. [00:34:29] **Herbie Mack:** And, and then having someone there like Batman to support me helped out. Yeah. Very well.  [00:34:37] **Elaine Lindsay:** Well, kudos to your friend for being so empathetic and, and also picking up on how important that really was to you. Because sometimes people don't, they love us, but they don't pick up on our cues because we aren't [00:35:00] often very forthcoming. [00:35:03] **Elaine Lindsay:** We tend to sort of go sideways when we, when we really wanna say something of import. We're not often, you know, head on because there's so much going on inside. I have a, it's not, I don't think it's as useful as coloring or journaling, but in dating myself too, in the late eighties, I managed a dance studio and the young professional dancers would come in after school and they brought in their crap about their girlfriends and their boyfriends and the fight they had and the teacher that annoyed them, and yada, yada yada. [00:35:45] **Elaine Lindsay:** And it was just, You know, noise. And it's not just noise, okay? When you're in a space with a lot of people and there's a lot of negativity, you can actually, the air [00:36:00] is heavy, it's oppressive, like it's not good. So the first week I was there, I took a cardboard box, not very big. I colored it brightly, like put wrapping paper around it, and I wrote sea box, okay? [00:36:22] **Elaine Lindsay:** It's crap box. And when they come in after school that day, I said, okay, don't you all stand around me here, see this, this is the crap box. I'm putting it at the bottom of the stairs. And when you come in, I want you to dump everything, your boyfriends, your arguments, your teachers, your homework, your shitty grades, whatever. [00:36:45] **Elaine Lindsay:** Put 'em in the box. You can pick 'em up when you want, when you leave, or you can choose to just let them go. Doesn't matter to me. They don't come past that doorway. And all these years later, I [00:37:00] still know some of those wonderful dancers and they're incredible people. And the kids said, oh, you know, that's really cool. [00:37:08] **Elaine Lindsay:** I went home and I completely forgot that I had a fight with X, Y, Z, and, and it was just good. And it's it's something you can do in your home if you have a, a few children, because there's always, you know, a little bit of angst between siblings and what have you in classrooms, in, in dance studios, in wherever. [00:37:32] **Elaine Lindsay:** Having that external place to leave your troubles is better than dragging them around in your head. And I wouldn't have known how to voice that back then. It just kind of made sense to me. So if that's what you have to do with your social media, put it in a virtual box, put it in that crap box, and when you're [00:38:00] ready to go back to social, only take out the stuff that matters. [00:38:06] **Elaine Lindsay:** Not the bad stuff. Just leave that crap in there.  [00:38:11] **Herbie Mack:** I love that. Like I really do. I do. I love that. Thank you. You know, you do need a safe space to, to release that, you know, those emotions, so negative emotions. You know, and, and for myself But I, I didn't have a box. I just had like one of those, I guess you would call like a, a, a dump journal. [00:38:31] **Herbie Mack:** Right. Like just dumping out my, my emotions. Yeah. And then sometimes when the, when it was too much baggage I would write as if I was a three year old, you know? And it just, like, once I was able to like, release those emotions and, and just rip it out out the journal and just tearing it up, I was just like, oh, man, not only did that negative thought went away, but the, the, the baggage of stress that I was carrying with it is gone. [00:38:57] **Herbie Mack:** And, and it's highly important for that. So [00:39:00] like, even now in today's place, like there's not enough safe spaces that I see where you can actually express yourself release that baggage and feel good about it. Right. I know, like, you know, we, we love the human connection. Right. And even for myself, I do like peer meetings and whatnot, and sometimes people come in with the With that heavy emotion, like a, like, no, they're carrying, carrying like a blue wilm on them, and then after, after our sessions, they seem so better. [00:39:29] **Herbie Mack:** And it's just like, you know, just allowing people to express themselves and that's all they want. You know, I have a very close relationship with one of my sisters and, you know, when I'm going through it and I have the emotions, I always text her, Hey, do you have space for me? Right? Because one, I don't know what she's dealing with on, on opposite side of, of, of her, of her on opposite side of the phone. [00:39:52] **Herbie Mack:** But two, I also want to make sure that I'm not bombarding her with my nonsense of what I'm going [00:40:00] through and not validating her feelings. So I always ask her like, Hey, do you have space for me? And she's like you know, no, not right now. Or vice versa is like, Hey, let's sit down and schedule a spot. When you can vent, but then not only when you could vent, you know, it's like, hey, well, do you want feedback or do you just want someone to listen? [00:40:19] **Herbie Mack:** And that not only helped our communication so much better, but it also, we know what to prepare for. Right? So some, like, probably like a month ago, she was like, Hey do you have space for me? No feedback. And she went on like a two hour rant and I was just like, okay, you know, I'm fine. And she's, she was like, what do you think? [00:40:40] **Herbie Mack:** And I was just like, but you just told me you don't want any feedback. I was like, if you want feedback, guess what? Let's schedule tomorrow. I don't, I just, I wanna validate your feelings and your emotions. Not, not only because I, I I see you, but I want you to understand that I do hear you. Yeah.  [00:40:56] **Elaine Lindsay:** And I, and I think that's a really, sorry to interrupt you. [00:40:59] **Elaine Lindsay:** That's a really [00:41:00] important distinction because we're not always looking for people to ride in on their white horse and save us. We, we just wanna be heard.  [00:41:11] **Herbie Mack:** Yes. Yeah. Yeah. The support, even for myself through my, my challenges and my struggles, I wanted someone to, yeah, as you said now I didn't, I didn't want someone to be the superhero. [00:41:22] **Herbie Mack:** I just wanted to like, Hey, let me just vent whatever emotions that has been carrying for, for years that now I'm acknowledging. And then if I do want feedback or, or anything like that, I'll ask for it. You know what I mean? Let, let me, let me, Hey, can, can I get feedback here? Can I get feedback there and now, like, you know, that, that helped our relationship. [00:41:44] **Herbie Mack:** But I do that with everyone, right? The clients that I do work with, Hey, this is a safe space. If you want to vet, let's vent. If you want feedback, please let me know. Right? And sometimes I, you know, even if like, Hey, I want some feedback, I'm like, okay, fine. I'll allow them to vent and then I'll [00:42:00] sit there and I'll just have them answer their own questions. [00:42:05] **Herbie Mack:** And they're like, oh, oh, but you didn't really gimme feedback. I'm like, I don't think you really came here for feedback. I think you just came here to try to figure out the answer. You know the answer, but you just want to hear it out loud. And just giving them that space and opportunity helps out so much. [00:42:19] **Elaine Lindsay:** Oh, absolutely. And, and I can have to say thank you again for all that you do. I appreciate it because it's critically important. Having people that can, can be there for others, I think is incredible. And it's, I have to acknowledge that it takes a lot of work for you to be able to do that for others while still protecting yourself. [00:42:53] **Elaine Lindsay:** Yeah. Because that's an important skill to learn, to be able to do what you do.  [00:42:58] **Herbie Mack:** Thank you. Thank you. I've [00:43:00] learned They're importance of self-care boundaries. So, you know, Sundays is like my recharge day and if I, if I felt like I poured out too much on that that week, then obviously Saturday too, right? [00:43:12] **Herbie Mack:** And then allowing myself to say no. Right. No's a complete sentence. Hey, yes it is. Hey, her, her, Hey Herby, do you got space for me? No, I don't. You always have space for me. Can you make space? And it's like, no, I can't, because right now I'm barely aflo. I need to recharge myself before I take on whatever baggage that I have to take on. [00:43:30] **Herbie Mack:** You know, it's like, not to say like their baggage is negative or anything like that, but sometimes like I. It can be overwhelming, but then also I still have to juggle the husband and the father's side. So it's like, Hey, I got a lot on my plate as well. Give me a moment. Let me recharge and we can reevaluate this. [00:43:45] **Herbie Mack:** Or if that, if I notice they're in a crisis, then it's like, okay, obviously I'm gonna actually stop to, to, to assist. But for the most time, they're not really in a crisis, thank, thank goodness. But it's just like life is getting too much for [00:44:00] them and they don't know how to slow the world down, as I like to say. [00:44:03] **Herbie Mack:** And, you know, I'm like, Hey, what about the tools that we worked on? Have you tried this? Have we tried this? No, no. I just thought about calling you. And I'm just like, call me for option Z because I want you to, to feel like you have your power to change your world. And you do, you know, let's, you know. So I'm like, I'm here to navigate and coach you through it, but at the same time, I wanna make sure you believe in yourself and you have the confidence to do that, right. [00:44:28] **Herbie Mack:** And  [00:44:28] **Elaine Lindsay:** those, those resources that you've given others, that toolbox is with you at all times. Yes. And you know, it's like anything else, we get better and we become more expert at what we do when we do it more often.  [00:44:46] **Herbie Mack:** Yeah. Yes, yes. Practice, make progress. Absolutely. If we're, if we're not, if we're not doing any of the the practice, then how can we grow? [00:44:54] **Herbie Mack:** Right. It's like we're not making any progress. We're just, you know? Absolutely. I'm gonna use my resources [00:45:00] for this person, call that person for that. And sometimes it's like, Hey, you can do that, but you have to do the work too. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Like, I can plant the seed, but you have to take care of your garden baby like you have to. [00:45:13] **Elaine Lindsay:** Yeah. It's like, think, think of, you know when, when our kids learn to walk, if the first time your kid falls down, you pick him up and every time you pick him up, he's never gonna walk. Mm-hmm. Okay. He's just gonna wait for you to pick him up. Yeah. You know, that we, we get the resources that we need so that we can then implement them. [00:45:35] **Elaine Lindsay:** That's where men do.  [00:45:37] **Herbie Mack:** Oh yeah. Yeah. And even for myself, like I always try to, you know, use my own toolbox and then I, when I realize like some of the tools that I'm using are, is not being effective, then I know it's like it's time to chart new tool. Right? So like if there's a couple of clients I was working with last week and you know, I was like, Hey, how's your self care routine? [00:45:57] **Herbie Mack:** And yada yada, oh yeah, I've been doing this and doing this and doing [00:46:00] that. And I realized like just from the outside perspective that they was getting comfortable, which is cool to a certain extent. So I was like, Hey, I want you guys to try something different. It's like four of them, and they're like, oh, different. [00:46:12] **Herbie Mack:** And one, I'm like, I want you to do one activity that you haven't done before. Right. And it doesn't necessarily have to be, you know, something extreme like jumping out of a plane or anything. But I was like, one activity that you haven't done before. And one guy was like, well, you know, I never went jet skiing and I want to do it. [00:46:27] **Herbie Mack:** It looks like it's fun. Okay, well try it out. Yeah. And, and then another one of the other clients was like, well, you know, I've never been fishing, but I really wanna try fishing. Okay. Try it out. Right. Because at some point, once you hit a certain level, and I like to say this, like, once you hit a certain level, there's always come a new devil. [00:46:44] **Herbie Mack:** And whatever toolbox that you used to use, whatever tools that you used to use in your toolbox may not be effective for this devil. So you have to try something different to, to really maneuver yourself into a better way. And, you know, Try it out. You know, even for myself, like [00:47:00] there's certain things that I do to try out to, okay, I like it. [00:47:02] **Herbie Mack:** I didn't like it. I actually do like it. Let me actually sit down and try to learn how to play the piano. Let me actually sit down and try to learn a new language. Right? And it's something that's like, oh, it's challenging me, it's adding value to me, but it's also slowing the world down for me. Cause I'm not focusing on whatever problems I have or whatever issues that that's coming across. [00:47:21] **Herbie Mack:** It's just like, oh, I'm actually trying to learn this language. You know? Yeah. I'm horrible at it, but guess what? Over time I'm gonna get better at it. You know, just because I'm, I, I'm, I'm doing the reps. And that's just one positive way that I try to grow as a person, but also try to get away from those negative experiences and thoughts because it's like, oh, this is a new challenge. [00:47:42] **Elaine Lindsay:** Yeah. I think that's, that's a really, really good point. And another, well, this is a, a resource. It's a tool, but it's more. It's more part of your mindset, and that's the 80 20 rule. [00:48:00] Okay? The 80 20 rule fits across everything, you know, personal business, what have you. But I think for handling your stress and managing what's going on your life, you wanna know that, you know, guess what? [00:48:17] **Elaine Lindsay:** 80% of the time I'm doing well, I'm, I'm getting through my day, I'm having more positive thoughts. Then celebrate that there's 20%. That's just not gonna work. You're gonna try tools that at that time don't work, or you're just going to be in a, a wallow. It's what I sometimes call it, and you know what, that's okay because you're only gonna allow that 20% and then you shake it off and you go back to doing the things you need and using the resources that you have. [00:48:52] **Elaine Lindsay:** So that you stay in a more positive, but don't beat yourself up for not [00:49:00] making a hundred percent. Yeah. Okay. Nobody makes a hundred percent. That's perfect. Doesn't exist. Cuz guess what? It'd be boring. It would be so boring.  [00:49:11] **Herbie Mack:** A another analogy or, or how I view it is, you know, in the beginning when we are learning how to tie our, our shoe, we are horrible at it. [00:49:19] **Herbie Mack:** Yeah. But over time we get better at it. Right. And then there's moments when it's like, man, this is not the best knot, but whatever. I gotta keep it going and it's okay. So just like whatever skill sets that I'm trying to learn, I, I, I always compare it to tie my shoe, right? Like right now I'm currently trying to learn Spanish. [00:49:36] **Herbie Mack:** Am I good at it? No. Nowhere near it. Right. But I know, like over time I, I'll get better at it might not, may look, you know, lopsided one day and it might look perfect the next day. Right. And I even tested out with some of my friends in Spanish and they're just like, bro, keep practicing. You know? And I'm like, ok, it's cool. [00:49:56] **Herbie Mack:** It's cool. And then some of them are like, Hey, yo, that's, that's pretty good for a [00:50:00] beginner. That is really good for a beginning and that helps me. Okay, cool. I'm doing a decent job, you know, and, and now the school that my daughter goes to Spanish is like, she's learning that from pre-K all the way to high school. [00:50:14] **Herbie Mack:** Yeah. So it's like, oh, she's going to learn Spanish at some point. She's gonna be way fluent than I am. But you know, what, if I, if I can meet her where she's at and learn it, it's that level, you know, it's like, that's my accountability partner. You know what I mean? Yeah. And, and then Absolutely. And that helps me stay locked in and focus to just keep on practicing. [00:50:34] **Herbie Mack:** Keep on practicing. And then it, it's, and it's so funny now because like I can't really speak it very well. Yeah. But I can when I listen to like this artist called Bad Bunny, he's like probably the, one of the biggest artists in the world right now. And and his music, like, I was listening to it and I was like, wow, I actually understand the verse. [00:50:53] **Herbie Mack:** Yeah. But no problem. Now, when if you would ask Yeah, if you would've asked me like three months ago, [00:51:00] far from it, you know, like I got little words, but it like, it, it helped me. And not only that, like I told you, it slows the world down for me. I'm not too hard on myself. I'm actually like, okay, I'm flawed, but it's fine. [00:51:12] **Herbie Mack:** I'm learning and this is what life is all about. Learning and, and not comparing my, my Spanish to someone who have years of Spanish. She was like, no, I'm, look, I'm at this level and I'm okay with it. I'm growing. And it just, not only with Spanish, but just even with the healing journey. Yeah. Understanding that like, Hey, I'm at this level, but I am gonna grow. [00:51:32] **Herbie Mack:** Yes. It's weird speaking into the mirror, all these positive affirmations, cuz it's just you and your thoughts. It seems weird, but then after the time you get better at it. Like, oh yes, I am smart, I am love, I can change the world. Or you know, sitting down writing your feelings and emotions you might like, I don't know what to write or I'll start crying, but it's okay, you're growing because you're not gonna be that same person that you was yesterday. [00:51:55] **Elaine Lindsay:** Absolutely. Every day you have a chance to be a new [00:52:00] you, which I think is incredible. And all I can say is Ola. And then I think I, there's a couple more sentences which are totally irrelevant.  [00:52:14] **Herbie Mack:** Yeah. It, it takes time. It really does. Yeah. It's like [00:52:20] **Herbie Mack:** like, you know, it's like, it, it takes time. Just practicing that and, and really getting that down. But you know, like, Six months ago, I couldn't really even say that. That fluid. Yeah. Yeah. No,  [00:52:30] **Elaine Lindsay:** you did that  [00:52:30] **Herbie Mack:** really well. So it's like, oh, okay, cool. You know, and it, and it helps, but it, it, it's something that I know it's a new challenge and for me that's like part of my coping skills. [00:52:39] **Herbie Mack:** It's just like really taking time to learn a new language or reading a book or listening to a book or a podcast, right? Just all I want is just 15, 20 minutes of, of no distractions and something that's gonna add value to my life or entertain me.  [00:52:54] **Elaine Lindsay:** Yeah. Yeah. And entertainment can add, not just add value, but [00:53:00] it can be learning as well. [00:53:02] **Herbie Mack:** Yes, yes. You would catch me either watching the office Jerry Seinfeld Seinfeld, like probably one of my favorite shows, the Office as well. But then like, you know, even watching like an action movie, something like a comic superhero movie would also just like, oh, it's entertainment, right? Sometimes I don't want to think, I, I just want, I just want to just sit down and just. [00:53:23] **Herbie Mack:** And just go with the flow, because life can be overwhelming. Oh yeah. You know, but then also, not only that I realize like those moments where I don't think, like watching superhero movies Right. I built a lot of good friendships off of that. Yeah. You know, cuz it's like, oh, hey man, hey, you know, I'm not even thinking about the world. [00:53:41] **Herbie Mack:** We're talking about Marvel, we are talking about DC and all this other stuff. And it's just like, yo, this is fun, this is good. And then it's like, oh, okay. I am the weirdo. But if I'm such the weirdo, why do I have friends that also have the same thing? Right. Because I found people that, that get my love language. [00:53:59] **Herbie Mack:** [00:54:00] Yeah. It, it's huge.  [00:54:02] **Elaine Lindsay:** I met Stan Lee.  [00:54:05] **Herbie Mack:** I'm, I'm jealous.  [00:54:07] **Elaine Lindsay:** In a hangout. I spent an hour with him. And you are? My son is super my son was trying to get him. In an interview. I was with a group of friends in a hangout and I just, I think the Marvel universe is, is absolutely brilliant because it does give hope. [00:54:29] **Elaine Lindsay:** Yes. And, and that's, you know, incredible. Now, a little off script, but Guardians of the Galaxy, we're going as soon as it opens. Yes,  [00:54:41] **Herbie Mack:** yes. I, I'm asking my wife, Hey do you think, do you think your mama watch the kids? I'm like, I'm asking, but No, but it's, it's, it's something like that, right? Like, no, we was talking earlier in episode as far as. [00:54:55] **Herbie Mack:** You know, social media can be a negative thing, right? But it also can be a positive thing [00:55:00] because if you're that, that, that that kid or that, you know, teenager that's like, man, no one gets me, right? But then if you go into whatever platform you use, if you go like, look at whatever hashtag and you see someone that's talking about the Avengers or talking about gardens at Galaxy, right? [00:55:18] **Herbie Mack:** And they might be really passionate about group and you're like, I am group. And you're like, man, I love group too. That person love group. Let me follow them. And that follow might lead into a dm. And then next thing you know, you, you got your own fan club, right? You got people that get your love language. [00:55:32] **Herbie Mack:** So life doesn't seem too stressful, right? Like, oh man. Like, man, I, people are making fun of the way I dress or how I talk. Right. The fact that I'm always wearing superhero outfits or whatnot. But guess what? I found people that got me. Yeah. Right. They may not physically be here, but hey man, I can DM them or I can go into whatever, like Facebook group or, or whatever, chat and find them and just really be a sponge. [00:55:57] **Herbie Mack:** Or I can act, actually express myself the way that I [00:56:00] want to express myself  [00:56:01] **Elaine Lindsay:** and be part of your community.  [00:56:04] **Herbie Mack:** Yes. That part.  [00:56:06] **Elaine Lindsay:** Yeah, that's, that is definitely the good part of social media is that you can find community and the other thing that sometimes can be hard for us to get, and it's hard to stay there, but if you are looking for good, you're gonna find it. [00:56:27] **Elaine Lindsay:** If you are hesitant, You're more likely to pull in negative. And if you're looking for negative, I guarantee you'll find it cuz there's a ton of it. But it is our intention. What you put out there is what you get back. Okay? If you walk into a bodega to buy something and you're smiling and you say, thanks very much, and the person behind the counter might have been a little surly with the person before you, but they're polite with you because [00:57:00] you just lifted their vibration and it makes you feel good, it makes them feel good. [00:57:07] **Elaine Lindsay:** Okay? I drive my husband crazy because I wanna say hi to everybody on the planet. Okay? Everybody I walk by, doesn't matter if you've got headphones on, I'll do this. If you know, it doesn't matter if you're on a bicycle or whatever. I, I wanna say hello. And it's amazing. People don't often immediately hear you. [00:57:31] **Elaine Lindsay:** Yeah. But then they'll turn around and go, oh, hi. You know, because we are so in our little bubbles, if ya let that bubble go a little and your intention is to pull, good to you. Now I'm getting really esoteric. I know. No, that's fine. But you can in fact affect what's around you and, and bring better things towards you. [00:57:58] **Elaine Lindsay:** And when you get in the [00:58:00] habit of doing it, then it makes those tough times a lot easier and a lot shorter. Yeah.  [00:58:09] **Herbie Mack:** I, I definitely agree with that. People want to be around good energy. Yeah. Yeah. Always around good energy even. Even, even when you're not like thinking, like the other day I went, I went grocery shopping and I'm like, I'm so locked into like, let me hurry up, lemme grab my groceries and come back home. [00:58:29] **Herbie Mack:** And, you know, I'm a pretty much of a positive person and I don't know, at this time I just was like, horse with blinders. Just like, let me hurry up. Lemme grab this and hurry you back. Hurry up back home. Cuz you know, the misses need help with the, with the kiddos. And I had, it was someone that was like, Hey, you never know who's watching you. [00:58:51] **Herbie Mack:** It was someone that was like, Hey, I always see you all the time, like everything okay. And I was just go, yeah, I'm good. Like, hey, how, how are you? You know? And it was like, oh, you know, you don't seem like yourself. And I'm just like, [00:59:00] I'm just, I was just focused and whatever. Yeah. And I thought, man, I never realized like, who's watching me? [00:59:07] **Herbie Mack:** No, it was like the target that I always run to. And she's like, Hey, is everything okay? Like, are you doing fine? Like, you just don't seem like yourself. And I was just like, no, I'm fine. I'm just, you know, trying to hurry up and you know, help the wife out with the kids. And that person was like, oh, okay. [00:59:19] **Herbie Mack:** Like, you know, I just wanted to make sure just checking in because you know, when I see you, you, you know, bring so much joy to me. And I was just like, but you don't even know me. Right? But it's just like, like that type of thing. And it was just like one of those like, oh wow. Oh, well thank you. I didn't realize I was making an impact when, you know, when you see me shopping, you know, I'm like, oh no, you always say hi. [00:59:41] **Herbie Mack:** You always ask me how I'm doing. Yeah. You know, I just thought like something was bugging you and I just wanted to make sure you was okay. And I was like, oh, well thank you.  [00:59:48] **Elaine Lindsay:** And, and see that's perfect. That's part of the law of reciprocity because you give out so much positive all the time when you come around, and [01:00:00] that's not the vibration you have. [01:00:03] **Elaine Lindsay:** The people that you've always been nice to, are going to wonder and, and that, that the reciprocity is in checking in to make sure you are okay because you're not presenting as you normally do. I just think is absolutely  [01:00:22] **Herbie Mack:** wonderful. I I just had to share that.  [01:00:25] **Elaine Lindsay:** Oh, that's fabulous. Absolutely fabulous. So, oh my God, I, you and I could talk forever. [01:00:32] **Herbie Mack:** It's just a conversation.  [01:00:34] **Elaine Lindsay:** It's just a conversa. Yeah. Yeah. Well, by next year we will have a conversation face to face. I'm, I'm putting that one on my agenda. What would you like to leave our audience with today? [01:00:54] **Herbie Mack:** I would like to leave them with understanding that you're not by yourself. I. You [01:01:00] know, during the, during the struggles that I was having, I thought I was by myself until I allowed my pride to actually sit there and decide to use my resources in understanding that, that I do have resources. They may not have all the answers, but guess what? [01:01:16] **Herbie Mack:** They can actually help and guide me to the help that I do need. So, understanding that you're not by yourself, but understanding that that ask for help or resources or using your resources is such a great thing cuz you're not by yourself and you, you can find people that's gonna understand your energy, your vibe, your language. [01:01:36] **Herbie Mack:** So go out there and ask for help and receive it. Be okay with it.  [01:01:41] **Elaine Lindsay:** Absolutely. And just think you're not asking for help. You're using your resources. Yes. That was so well put, Herby, once again, thank you so much for being my guest. I so appreciate having you here. Your wisdom, your joy, and your [01:02:00] energy is lovely. [01:02:02] **Elaine Lindsay:** Absolutely lovely. Thank you for listening. It's wonderful to have you with us as well. And as I always say, make the very best of your today every day, and I'll see you next time. Bye for now. Thank  --------------------

Katie Thornton MSW, LCSW My guest is Katie Thornton, a Licensed Clinical Social Worker and EMDR trained therapist, licensed in Colorado, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, Maine, North Dakota, Texas, Nevada, and Wyoming.   Katie has extensive experience working with individuals, families, and groups through a variety of challenging circumstances. Katie believes that change happens when people are given the support they need to draw on their strengths and realize their potential to live fulfilling and happy lives.   Katie provides both counseling and assessment services for children, adolescents, adults, and veterans. She approaches both services as healing processes, helping answer deep-seated questions that individuals might have. With a passion for supporting neurodiversity, Katie provides an environment of compassion and support to help individuals and families learn and thrive. Get in Touch with Katie support@katietlcsw.com Facebook - Connect Instagram Follow LinkedIn - Connect Twitter Follow oMD7YoqVSzcNgl4SvxWC Transcript [00:00:00] Elaine Lindsay: And it's good to be here once again. So, uh, without further ado, I'm going to go ahead and bring Katie up on stage. Hello? Hello. Hi, uh, again. I will say thank you very much for joining me on the show. It's always, difficult to start the show in a positive way because we are often talking about things that are painful. Mm-hmm. and, , I, I'm going to let you. Tell your story starting where you will. Mm-hmm. . Cause I think that's really important and you can, you can go ahead and I'll pop in when it's appropriate. Okay. Okay. [00:00:54] Katie Thornton: So my name's Katie. I am here because I lost my dad to [00:01:00] suicide. I was a freshman in high. So we're actually coming up on 20 years this year in March. So it's kind of like a big milestone moment, I guess. But yeah, I did lose my dad back in March of 2023, or sorry, 20 of oh three. So 20 years ago, March 18th. . It's been a, a rough road, but I think I'm kind of in this place now and it took me a lot of, a lot of work and a lot of time where I'm like in this post-traumatic growth stage where for the longest time it kind of shaped who I was, but not in a positive way. I'm from a very small town, so everyone in my town knew me and knew my family, and knew my dad. They knew what happened. . So it kind of became my identity in high school. But it's not the identity that I wanted to live my life as, so I [00:02:00] worked really hard and it, it was a journey , that's for sure. Where there are times that I maybe looks like I was kind of like running away from the situation to create my, my new identity of whatever my identity was outside of that girl that lost her dad to suicide. but I think that I found her over time, . And going through it defined me in a negative way to like, it has shaped me and it has motivated me and pushed me to where I am and who I am today. So I am a licensed therapist now, and I have no doubt that that's why I'm in the path that I'm went on. I developed like this sense of travel and adventure, which I. is also part of what, I don't know, it was like part of my journey of discovering myself and who I was, cuz I would go and travel out on my own. So it was just me and my thoughts and my myself [00:03:00] of figuring out who I was. So I think it helped, it helped me to figure out who, who Katie truly is. Like just Katie by herself, who is she? And I think that that helped me a lot. . Well, I, I have to interject there because just that like, I hope you give yourself enough credit or how, how together that was mm-hmm. , because as a teenager , we don't always react to things really well and, and smaller, much smaller things than, than losing your dad. [00:03:40] Elaine Lindsay: Right. It, it had to be very difficult, especially in a small town because everybody does know what's going on with everyone else. Yep. Are you an only child? [00:03:51] Katie Thornton: No, I have a younger brother. He is three years younger than me, so it's the two of. , we have very different lives. . You would think that we have [00:04:00] different parents and grew up in different houses, but yep. Here we are. Same parents, same house . Yeah. It's, it's funny how we can be that different. My sister was five years younger than me. Mm-hmm. and chalk and cheese . Other, other than, you know, the family ResSem. We were absolutely nothing alike, . But how old were you when you first traveled on your own? I was, it was after college, after my undergrad. So I went to college at 18 and I intentionally picked a university where basically no one from my high school was going. I think two people from my class went. , I mean, isn't that many? So I was like, okay, I'm fine with that. So I intentionally picked a college that no one else was going to, so no one else would know me. I ended up transferring two years in and I [00:05:00] ended up transferring to the school that most of my high school went to . But it's, I mean, it's a large school. It's, it's Ohio State, so it's a large school, so Oh, yeah. I saw plenty of people from high school, but I also made a lot of connections outside of my high school. So it was good. And then I graduated from college in 2010, and then in 2012 I moved to Korea and I lived there for two years. , and that's where like my traveling really started is any long weekend or any break that I had from work, I would go to another country. And then when my, I did that for the two years, so 2014 I was working on my master's and I had to come home for my internship basically. But instead of coming straight home, I took the long way around and traveled around Southeast Asia and traveled Oh wow. For like three months. I got back in 2014, but I did three months of traveling at that time. Oh, wow. Were [00:06:00] you an adventurous child? I think it's always been in me. I like to, I, I mean, I grew up camping and sailing and all of that with my, my dad was a sailor, so that's what we would do all summer. Every summer was go to the lake and we would camp and we would, would sail or get, we had a power boat too, so we did those. As a kid our traveling as children always kind of revolved around my dad's sailing. Ah, okay. So it's not like we did a lot of international travel or anything like that. So it was around either sailing or soccer cuz I played soccer. So Uhhuh it was that. So I think it was always kind of in me, but it looked different because of life situations and I didn't have the power and the say or the money to go where I wanted to go as. . Yeah. It's a little different when you're a kid because you, you are at the mercy of your parents mm-hmm. Right. Right. And what it is they wanna do. For sure. [00:07:00] Did your father compete in sailing mm-hmm. , or was it just He did. He did. Yeah, he did. He did. Every Sunday. . Wow. Ooh, okay. . That's it's a, it's a, a huge community, the sailing community. Mm-hmm. , but it's a, it's a very it's very different. , let's say from land lovers. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. It's a very, very different community. Yes. and, and your mom. Mm-hmm. . How did this affect your mom at the time? I think, I mean, her and I have talked about it a little bit, and I won't totally speak for her, but I think it was a rough time. They were, they were still married, they were still together. It. In our house that it happened. So it was, I mean, I don't know. I, it would be really, really hard. I can't imagine to lose your husband is one thing, [00:08:00] obviously. So she lost her husband. She lost the father of children. Of her children. And then so navigating, how do you, how do you grieve that loss but still show up for your kids? And I don't know how she did. . She did it , but I don't know how it is. I would imagine a very, very hard juggle to have to, to have to juggle, so, oh my God. Yeah. We thankfully have a, a lot of really amazing supports between friends or family. So I think that that is the number one way that we all kind of got through it is, I mean, the night that it happened, we probably had 25 people all there. whether it be help take care of us or help take care of her, help take care of the house or him, or whatever the case may, may be. They were there the next day to be like, okay, my, my dad was the one that made the most money. So finances were, were a struggle and we didn't have [00:09:00] life, life insurance. Oh. Right. So figuring out like, how do we navigate this whole thing financially? So she had friends show up and like, here's this application, here's what you need to do. Mm-hmm. , I will do it. This is what I'm doing. So I had a lot of people really take the reins on things and help us out. Oh, thank God for that. [00:09:21] Elaine Lindsay: Cuz that doesn't always happen. Right? [00:09:23] Katie Thornton: No, we were very, very fortunate that we have, we have a good team. Mm-hmm. . And it must be a good small town too. It, it is. I have my moments on how I feel about it. Yeah. but there, there are definitely good things that have come out of it. [00:09:41] Elaine Lindsay: Yeah. I, I think that, I think that's normal. I think we all have mixed feelings about where we grew up and mm-hmm. and the people around us. It is of course, harder when you go through something traumatic, especially in high school. [00:09:57] Katie Thornton: Right. [00:09:59] Elaine Lindsay: You know, it, it's [00:10:00] hard for, it's hard for younger children and, and I'm, I'm sure it was very hard for your brother as well, but being in high school, on top of it being an awkward time as a human being, right. There's all those hormones and, and you know, as you said, you didn't know who Katie was.. and this certainly didn't help. [00:10:24] Katie Thornton: Right. [00:10:24] Elaine Lindsay: But you're to be commended because not all of us who had a loss in our teenage years chose a good path or, or chose any path for that matter. Mm-hmm. in some cases because some people freeze. Some people hide. Some people. , take the bull by the horns and, and mm-hmm. , go on and live their life. And, and you obviously did that, which I think is quite incredible. Yeah. Yeah. And also speaks to probably the, the strength of your mom. Mm-hmm. [00:11:00] did, was there, was there any indication, like, do you, you ever ask yourself, did you see something in your dad? [00:11:13] Katie Thornton: I knew that night. Oh, we were we were supposed to go, well, we weren't, I wasn't going to go, but I ended up being in the car somehow, . We were supposed, the circus was in town, so we were supposed to be going to the circus that night. [00:11:26] Elaine Lindsay: Okay. [00:11:26] Katie Thornton: And there was like a whole thing of events that happened that day in that evening before going, so I ended up, I'm like, fine, I'll just go with everybody too. and he was in the car, but he was still upset about the things that happened before. And he actually got out of the car and started to walk home. [00:11:46] Elaine Lindsay: Oh. [00:11:46] Katie Thornton: And my brother was like, let's go to the circus. I'm like, Nope. We're go like, we need to go home. And my mom knew we needed to go home. So I knew, and that's not the first time I knew like he had been in the hospital before. Not that it had always been [00:12:00] communicated with me. Yeah. On that I. . I also knew at that time that there was something going on, whether I knew the extent of it or not, I don't, I don't know. But I knew something was going on, but I knew that night that things were not normal and not okay. And that we needed it to go home. [00:12:19] Elaine Lindsay: Yeah. Yeah. And, and that in itself were you closer to your dad than your. mom? [00:12:27] Katie Thornton: My dad was always my coach for soccer, so we spent a lot of time together for sports. My mom and I are still very similar on a lot of things and I think that that caused a lot of tension and a lot of issues growing up. Yeah. My mom is my best friend now as an adult and everything, so I don't, I mean, I probably was closer with my dad cuz I just spent more time with him. with soccer and everything. [00:12:56] Elaine Lindsay: But the reason I asked is because [00:13:00] often when it's children, if you are very close to the parent that you lose, you do have thesenot premonitions, but maybe feelings ahead of time. [00:13:13] Katie Thornton: Mm-hmm. , [00:13:13] Elaine Lindsay: even, even when you don't know as a child, you, you know, there's so. . [00:13:19] Katie Thornton: Right. [00:13:19] Elaine Lindsay: You may not be able to articulate it. [00:13:21] Katie Thornton: Mm-hmm. , [00:13:23] Elaine Lindsay: but that does make it difficult. And one of the reasons that I do this podcast is because I, I want us all to end the silence and, and deal with the stigma and the shame that people go through, [00:13:40] Katie Thornton: right. [00:13:41] Elaine Lindsay: Because, You lose a loved one. It does not matter to me how it happened. Mm-hmm. , you, you are suffering a loss of someone that you loved and [00:13:51] Katie Thornton: Right. [00:13:51] Elaine Lindsay: And that's what we need to remember. [00:13:54] Katie Thornton: Mm-hmm. , what was your dad's first name? Mike. [00:13:58] Elaine Lindsay: Mike, okay. [00:14:00] That's, that's I don't know. It's something that I've always asked people because I think it's important to. To give voice to the names of those we've lost. [00:14:11] Katie Thornton: No, I agree. I agree. I like making sure when I'm working with other people and talking to people that we are using their names too, so I like it. [00:14:24] Elaine Lindsay: And do you have children? [00:14:26] Katie Thornton: I do. I have two. [00:14:28] Elaine Lindsay: Okay. And what are your thoughts on age appropriate for children when. As a therapist. [00:14:38] Katie Thornton: Mm-hmm. [00:14:39] Elaine Lindsay: when do you believe it's a good time to share? Like, maybe not in excessive detail, but share that you've lost someone? [00:14:49] Katie Thornton: So, I mean, our kids are young, so I have a four, she'll be five in March, and then the other one is four months, so she's still itty bitty. [00:15:00] Our four year old. . She, well, she looks at pictures of my dad and she, yeah, looks at him. She knows that that's her grandpa. She'll ask like, what's his name? Cuz she knows, like she knows that my mom is her grandma, but she doesn't call her grandma. So I let her name him cuz she's. also their first grandkid. So I'm like, you get to, you get to name him, what do you wanna call him? So she calls him Pop Pop. She has pictures of him. She has her favorite pictures of him. She does ask, she has asked before, like where he is or if she can see him or visit him or something. I can't remember how it all happened exactly, but she has asked where he is. and the conversation kind of threw me off guard at first cuz I'm like, you're two and a half where, why are you asking where pop pop is . Yeah. But we've gone to, and I think every family's gonna be different on how they handle the conversation and yeah, granted our [00:16:00] family is not super religious or anything like that, but I don't know. The first thing that kind of came to both of us, cuz her other grandpa has also passed. . So the first thing that kinda came to both of us is like, your grandpas are in heaven. Yeah. And right now that's good enough for her. And she's like, yeah, they're in heaven. They're happy. So cuz we've had the conversation too of like, we've lost our dog. So we've had to, to explain what happens and like why that's where her dog is. So then she's like, , our dog is with pop Pop, like they're having fun. So it gives her like that sense of peace and comfort, I guess. I don't know. And content. That's where, yeah, that's where we are with the conversation right now is pop, pop is in heaven. And that's all she really knows. And that's all she's really asked. I'm sure that as she gets older she might ask more questions. . And I think that it's important too that at some point, whenever that point is, and I don't know when that's gonna be, , it is gonna be [00:17:00] important for her to to know at least a little bit. She doesn't need to know the details if she doesn't want to kind of thing. But I think family history is important in mental health is part of her family history and our medical history. So at some point I think it is gonna be important for her to know. I just don't know when that time is gonna be yet. We're just playing our cards as she throws them at us a absolutely. [00:17:23] Elaine Lindsay: And that's actually why I asked because. , we are seeing kids younger and younger, not, not only not understanding [00:17:33] Katie Thornton: mm-hmm. , [00:17:34] Elaine Lindsay: but not understanding the thoughts in their own brains. [00:17:37] Katie Thornton: Mm-hmm. [00:17:37] Elaine Lindsay: And the fact that we don't talk about it, we need to bring it out so kids know. Not every thought that runs through your head. [00:17:45] Katie Thornton: Mm-hmm. [00:17:45] Elaine Lindsay: is real. Or, or is true. And, and sometimes we, we can talk about those things now. and allow you to get that out of the way and, and not, [00:18:00] I don't wanna say cover up, but [00:18:01] Katie Thornton: mm-hmm. , [00:18:02] Elaine Lindsay: you know, not, not push it aside. [00:18:05] Katie Thornton: Right. Right. [00:18:06] Elaine Lindsay: It's, it's important for, for us to acknowledge all of our mental health [00:18:12] Katie Thornton: mm-hmm. [00:18:12] Elaine Lindsay: and the fact that, you know, people in the family have gone through something, and you know, after P T S D affects so many people for so many reasons. I think it's really important that kids understand that as well. [00:18:30] Katie Thornton: Yes, I think this kid is definitely a therapist child because we're very big on using our words and she's very big on her feelings. [00:18:39] Elaine Lindsay: Oh, that's good. That's good. , you probably don't think so all the time, [00:18:46] Katie Thornton: but not all the time. There are times that it can be challenging as a parent. But then I just remind myself of like, we want strong, independent women and that's what we're raising her to be, and. . It'll all be good. [00:19:00] It'll all be good for her in the long run. [00:19:02] Elaine Lindsay: Yeah. Yeah. There are challenge, there are definitely challenging days with children, for sure. . But I wanted, I wanted to say, and, and do you, do you think your, your father's death led you down the path of your career? or was it something you, it wasn't something you were leaning towards prior? [00:19:29] Katie Thornton: I was always thinking about being in the field of like working with people and helping people. So yes, in that aspect that's always been a thing. But specifically working on therapy and mental health? No. No, I think his death and the way that he did die is absolutely what pushed me into the mental health direction of helping people and working with people.. Because I was looking more like the medical side and the medical aspect, but after that I was like, no, that's [00:20:00] not the route that I want to go. [00:20:01] Elaine Lindsay: I, it's, it's a very double edge sword that we have to live through these things to have full empathy for others who are going through these things. [00:20:15] Katie Thornton: Right. [00:20:15] Elaine Lindsay: And, and that makes you. very good therapist because you, you understand, right? [00:20:22] Katie Thornton: I think, I mean, it definitely, it definitely gives me kind of that benefit is I've been through something too. So yes, it gives that relatability and I, I say that all the time when I'm meeting with potential clients is like I can have the entire alphabet behind my name and I can have all the degrees and all the certificates and all the training in the. , but if you feel like I can't relate to you or I don't understand you, or you just don't like my personality, cuz that's a big thing too, I'm not the right therapist for you because that relationship between a therapist and a client is so [00:21:00] important and that is gonna be more important and more impactful and lead to more success than having the whole alphabet behind my name. [00:21:11] Elaine Lindsay: Absolutely. I totally agree with. and it's, it's interesting cuz I've had this discussion about the medical field in general. . Mm-hmm. , I firmly believe that doctors, all doctors need to go through the process of surgery before you can fully understand how to be a good surgeon. [00:21:34] Katie Thornton: Right, right. [00:21:35] Elaine Lindsay: You know, and, and the same for dentists. And I think it's really important for you to be able to have had that, that knowledge, that understanding, so that you can be much more empathetic. [00:21:52] Katie Thornton: Right. No, I agree. I agree. [00:21:54] Elaine Lindsay: And it will resonate, I'm sure, with your clients as well. Yeah, yeah. [00:22:00] And you have a, you have a rather broad based practice as well. [00:22:06] Katie Thornton: I've definitely been in a lot of different areas throughout my career for sure. Whether it be in working with children, working with families, working in schools, working in child protection. So I've definitely been in a variety of areas and then also working in like nonprofits or community mental health agencies. Oh, okay. So, and then private practices. And then I have just recently gone out on my own. So now that I'm out on my own, I am being a little bit more like strict and narrow about what I take and like really honing in on my skillset and my area of expertise and all of. So now that I'm on my own, I am being a little bit more picky and strict about who I'm working with, but I feel like I kind of can be, and that's how I'm gonna be the most successful, is just really absolutely honing in on my, my [00:23:00] strengths. [00:23:00] Elaine Lindsay: Absolutely. Because when, when that's what you bring to the table, then that's where you can be most effective. Absolutely. [00:23:07] Katie Thornton: Mm-hmm. [00:23:09] Elaine Lindsay: on that note we talked briefly before this about some, I think, I think it's exciting upcoming news. [00:23:19] Katie Thornton: Yeah. [00:23:20] Elaine Lindsay: What is it you're going to be doing in March? [00:23:22] Katie Thornton: No, I am excited about it. It's something that I have been wanting to do for a, a while in. life kept happening. So it hasn't happened yet, but it's going to, in March, I am going to start a group for people that have lost someone to suicide and working on helping people to find that strength again after losing a loved one to suicide and, and helping them through that process and that journey. And I think in the mental health world, we always say it's okay to not be. Yeah, and that's absolutely true. Like it is okay for us to not have good days all the time because that's reality. Mm-hmm. , [00:24:00] we're human beings. And I feel like the other thing, especially with a suicide loss, is reminding people that it's also okay to be okay. [00:24:10] Elaine Lindsay: Yeah. [00:24:11] Katie Thornton: Because we have so much guilt, I think when it comes to suicide of like they were obviously in this not so good head space and that's where they were. And they were clearly struggling and battling and. fighting with themselves internally. So I think sometimes when we, we work through that grief, grief is hard and it's complicated and there's all these different things. Yeah. And then when we get to that acceptance stage of grief, we can also be like, Ooh. Then there's this guilt of I shouldn't be okay. I shouldn't just be like going and living my happy life when. This person was going through all these terrible things and this is what happened. Like how can I, how can I be okay and live my life and be happy and excited? So you feel guilty? And I [00:25:00] think it's a normal part of grief, especially with the suicide grief. [00:25:04] Elaine Lindsay: Yeah. [00:25:04] Katie Thornton: And I also want people to know that like, it's okay to still like be happy and excited about life. . [00:25:12] Elaine Lindsay: And another piece to that is there is no timeframe. [00:25:20] Katie Thornton: No, there's not a timeline on on grief, unfortunately. And just because there's the stages of grief and you've gone through the stages of grief. doesn't mean that it's not gonna come back up for you another time. Life events seem to bring that grief back up where it's like, I've already gone through these things, so why am I going through, like, why am I depressed again? I was, I went through depression. Mm-hmm. . So why am I depressed? But life events seem to bring. those things back up. [00:25:50] Elaine Lindsay: I totally agree. I I've often thought it's kind of like a merry-go-round. Mm-hmm. , I, I don't wanna get back on, [00:26:00] but it's there and, and it's attached to me and there are things that. that are part of my history. Mm-hmm. and, and you find yourself sometimes right back on there. [00:26:11] Katie Thornton: Mm-hmm. . Yeah. [00:26:15] Elaine Lindsay: I know that over the years that's, that's been a, a common question for people is, well, how long is too long? Like, or How short is too short? And, and I think it's really important that we reinforce the fact. , everybody is individual. [00:26:37] Katie Thornton: Mm-hmm. . Absolutely. It's gonna look different for everybody. Yeah. And it's gonna feel different for everybody. [00:26:42] Elaine Lindsay: Yeah. [00:26:43] Katie Thornton: And I mean, you can go back to the fact that my brother and I are in the same family and the same household, and we had the same like upbringing, but we grieved differently. And that doesn't mean that either one of us grieved right or wrong. No. We grieved the way that we needed to grieve at that.[00:27:00] and, and that's a really super point. There is no right or wrong. Mm-hmm. [00:27:07] Elaine Lindsay: to grief. It just is however it is for you. [00:27:13] Katie Thornton: Yeah. Yeah. [00:27:16] Elaine Lindsay: And, and that's the other reason that I do the podcast is because we found that in sharing your story, it can somewhat lighten your. and can give you the opportunity to sometimes bolster the good memories and remember to say their names. [00:27:40] Katie Thornton: Right. No, I think , I think it can be really empowering to share your story because there is so much stigma and there's so much judgment and negativity around mental health and around suicide specifically. . Where II think that there's times that we can be shamed for, [00:27:58] Elaine Lindsay: yeah. [00:27:59] Katie Thornton: For our [00:28:00] lives and our stories and our journeys, but when you go through it and you finally find your voice to be able to share your story and know that it can actually impact other people in yes, really positive ways. It is also really empowering and therapeutic to just like get it out of you so it helps you and it can help other. . [00:28:21] Elaine Lindsay: Yeah. And sometimes that's the, just that extra incentive you need. Mm-hmm. to deal with. Another little piece of your grief is to share your story. [00:28:32] Katie Thornton: Yeah, absolutely. [00:28:35] Elaine Lindsay: So is there something you would like to leave the audience? That either something you find useful, something that, that you tell your clients, something that's intrinsically you. [00:28:53] Katie Thornton: Ooh, I don't know. That's a hard one. I mean, [00:29:00] I do remind my clients like making, making yourself a. Especially as like as a parent you still have to put yourself first. And I know not everyone agrees with that, but we do have to make ourselves a priority so that we can take care of ourselves and we can show up the best way that we can show up in all of our other areas of life. And then I also do, I like to, especially when it's suicide and those that have lost someone to suicide, is just reminding them that it is okay to be okay and it's okay to be happy and excited about life again. because that's what you deserve. [00:29:41] Elaine Lindsay: That was beautifully said, Katie. Thank you so much. [00:29:44] Katie Thornton: Of course. [00:29:47] Elaine Lindsay: I really appreciate Katie Thornton being with us today, and I look forward to perhaps talking with you again, Katie. [00:29:56] Katie Thornton: Absolutely. Absolutely. [00:29:58] Elaine Lindsay: I'm Elaine Lindsay. This is [00:30:00] Suicide Zen Forgiveness. As per always make the very best of your today, every day. I look forward to seeing you next time. Bye for now.

Katie Thornton MSW, LCSW My guest is Katie Thornton, a Licensed Clinical Social Worker and EMDR trained therapist, licensed in Colorado, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, Maine, North Dakota, Texas, Nevada, and Wyoming.   Katie has extensive experience working with individuals, families, and groups through a variety of challenging circumstances. Katie believes that change happens when people are given the support they need to draw on their strengths and realize their potential to live fulfilling and happy lives.   Katie provides both counseling and assessment services for children, adolescents, adults, and veterans. She approaches both services as healing processes, helping answer deep-seated questions that individuals might have. With a passion for supporting neurodiversity, Katie provides an environment of compassion and support to help individuals and families learn and thrive. Get in Touch with Katie support@katietlcsw.com Facebook - Connect Instagram Follow LinkedIn - Connect Twitter Follow oMD7YoqVSzcNgl4SvxWC Transcript [00:00:00] Elaine Lindsay: And it's good to be here once again. So, uh, without further ado, I'm going to go ahead and bring Katie up on stage. Hello? Hello. Hi, uh, again. I will say thank you very much for joining me on the show. It's always, difficult to start the show in a positive way because we are often talking about things that are painful. Mm-hmm. and, , I, I'm going to let you. Tell your story starting where you will. Mm-hmm. . Cause I think that's really important and you can, you can go ahead and I'll pop in when it's appropriate. Okay. Okay. [00:00:54] Katie Thornton: So my name's Katie. I am here because I lost my dad to [00:01:00] suicide. I was a freshman in high. So we're actually coming up on 20 years this year in March. So it's kind of like a big milestone moment, I guess. But yeah, I did lose my dad back in March of 2023, or sorry, 20 of oh three. So 20 years ago, March 18th. . It's been a, a rough road, but I think I'm kind of in this place now and it took me a lot of, a lot of work and a lot of time where I'm like in this post-traumatic growth stage where for the longest time it kind of shaped who I was, but not in a positive way. I'm from a very small town, so everyone in my town knew me and knew my family, and knew my dad. They knew what happened. . So it kind of became my identity in high school. But it's not the identity that I wanted to live my life as, so I [00:02:00] worked really hard and it, it was a journey , that's for sure. Where there are times that I maybe looks like I was kind of like running away from the situation to create my, my new identity of whatever my identity was outside of that girl that lost her dad to suicide. but I think that I found her over time, . And going through it defined me in a negative way to like, it has shaped me and it has motivated me and pushed me to where I am and who I am today. So I am a licensed therapist now, and I have no doubt that that's why I'm in the path that I'm went on. I developed like this sense of travel and adventure, which I. is also part of what, I don't know, it was like part of my journey of discovering myself and who I was, cuz I would go and travel out on my own. So it was just me and my thoughts and my myself [00:03:00] of figuring out who I was. So I think it helped, it helped me to figure out who, who Katie truly is. Like just Katie by herself, who is she? And I think that that helped me a lot. . Well, I, I have to interject there because just that like, I hope you give yourself enough credit or how, how together that was mm-hmm. , because as a teenager , we don't always react to things really well and, and smaller, much smaller things than, than losing your dad. [00:03:40] Elaine Lindsay: Right. It, it had to be very difficult, especially in a small town because everybody does know what's going on with everyone else. Yep. Are you an only child? [00:03:51] Katie Thornton: No, I have a younger brother. He is three years younger than me, so it's the two of. , we have very different lives. . You would think that we have [00:04:00] different parents and grew up in different houses, but yep. Here we are. Same parents, same house . Yeah. It's, it's funny how we can be that different. My sister was five years younger than me. Mm-hmm. and chalk and cheese . Other, other than, you know, the family ResSem. We were absolutely nothing alike, . But how old were you when you first traveled on your own? I was, it was after college, after my undergrad. So I went to college at 18 and I intentionally picked a university where basically no one from my high school was going. I think two people from my class went. , I mean, isn't that many? So I was like, okay, I'm fine with that. So I intentionally picked a college that no one else was going to, so no one else would know me. I ended up transferring two years in and I [00:05:00] ended up transferring to the school that most of my high school went to . But it's, I mean, it's a large school. It's, it's Ohio State, so it's a large school, so Oh, yeah. I saw plenty of people from high school, but I also made a lot of connections outside of my high school. So it was good. And then I graduated from college in 2010, and then in 2012 I moved to Korea and I lived there for two years. , and that's where like my traveling really started is any long weekend or any break that I had from work, I would go to another country. And then when my, I did that for the two years, so 2014 I was working on my master's and I had to come home for my internship basically. But instead of coming straight home, I took the long way around and traveled around Southeast Asia and traveled Oh wow. For like three months. I got back in 2014, but I did three months of traveling at that time. Oh, wow. Were [00:06:00] you an adventurous child? I think it's always been in me. I like to, I, I mean, I grew up camping and sailing and all of that with my, my dad was a sailor, so that's what we would do all summer. Every summer was go to the lake and we would camp and we would, would sail or get, we had a power boat too, so we did those. As a kid our traveling as children always kind of revolved around my dad's sailing. Ah, okay. So it's not like we did a lot of international travel or anything like that. So it was around either sailing or soccer cuz I played soccer. So Uhhuh it was that. So I think it was always kind of in me, but it looked different because of life situations and I didn't have the power and the say or the money to go where I wanted to go as. . Yeah. It's a little different when you're a kid because you, you are at the mercy of your parents mm-hmm. Right. Right. And what it is they wanna do. For sure. [00:07:00] Did your father compete in sailing mm-hmm. , or was it just He did. He did. Yeah, he did. He did. Every Sunday. . Wow. Ooh, okay. . That's it's a, it's a, a huge community, the sailing community. Mm-hmm. , but it's a, it's a very it's very different. , let's say from land lovers. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. It's a very, very different community. Yes. and, and your mom. Mm-hmm. . How did this affect your mom at the time? I think, I mean, her and I have talked about it a little bit, and I won't totally speak for her, but I think it was a rough time. They were, they were still married, they were still together. It. In our house that it happened. So it was, I mean, I don't know. I, it would be really, really hard. I can't imagine to lose your husband is one thing, [00:08:00] obviously. So she lost her husband. She lost the father of children. Of her children. And then so navigating, how do you, how do you grieve that loss but still show up for your kids? And I don't know how she did. . She did it , but I don't know how it is. I would imagine a very, very hard juggle to have to, to have to juggle, so, oh my God. Yeah. We thankfully have a, a lot of really amazing supports between friends or family. So I think that that is the number one way that we all kind of got through it is, I mean, the night that it happened, we probably had 25 people all there. whether it be help take care of us or help take care of her, help take care of the house or him, or whatever the case may, may be. They were there the next day to be like, okay, my, my dad was the one that made the most money. So finances were, were a struggle and we didn't have [00:09:00] life, life insurance. Oh. Right. So figuring out like, how do we navigate this whole thing financially? So she had friends show up and like, here's this application, here's what you need to do. Mm-hmm. , I will do it. This is what I'm doing. So I had a lot of people really take the reins on things and help us out. Oh, thank God for that. [00:09:21] Elaine Lindsay: Cuz that doesn't always happen. Right? [00:09:23] Katie Thornton: No, we were very, very fortunate that we have, we have a good team. Mm-hmm. . And it must be a good small town too. It, it is. I have my moments on how I feel about it. Yeah. but there, there are definitely good things that have come out of it. [00:09:41] Elaine Lindsay: Yeah. I, I think that, I think that's normal. I think we all have mixed feelings about where we grew up and mm-hmm. and the people around us. It is of course, harder when you go through something traumatic, especially in high school. [00:09:57] Katie Thornton: Right. [00:09:59] Elaine Lindsay: You know, it, it's [00:10:00] hard for, it's hard for younger children and, and I'm, I'm sure it was very hard for your brother as well, but being in high school, on top of it being an awkward time as a human being, right. There's all those hormones and, and you know, as you said, you didn't know who Katie was.. and this certainly didn't help. [00:10:24] Katie Thornton: Right. [00:10:24] Elaine Lindsay: But you're to be commended because not all of us who had a loss in our teenage years chose a good path or, or chose any path for that matter. Mm-hmm. in some cases because some people freeze. Some people hide. Some people. , take the bull by the horns and, and mm-hmm. , go on and live their life. And, and you obviously did that, which I think is quite incredible. Yeah. Yeah. And also speaks to probably the, the strength of your mom. Mm-hmm. [00:11:00] did, was there, was there any indication, like, do you, you ever ask yourself, did you see something in your dad? [00:11:13] Katie Thornton: I knew that night. Oh, we were we were supposed to go, well, we weren't, I wasn't going to go, but I ended up being in the car somehow, . We were supposed, the circus was in town, so we were supposed to be going to the circus that night. [00:11:26] Elaine Lindsay: Okay. [00:11:26] Katie Thornton: And there was like a whole thing of events that happened that day in that evening before going, so I ended up, I'm like, fine, I'll just go with everybody too. and he was in the car, but he was still upset about the things that happened before. And he actually got out of the car and started to walk home. [00:11:46] Elaine Lindsay: Oh. [00:11:46] Katie Thornton: And my brother was like, let's go to the circus. I'm like, Nope. We're go like, we need to go home. And my mom knew we needed to go home. So I knew, and that's not the first time I knew like he had been in the hospital before. Not that it had always been [00:12:00] communicated with me. Yeah. On that I. . I also knew at that time that there was something going on, whether I knew the extent of it or not, I don't, I don't know. But I knew something was going on, but I knew that night that things were not normal and not okay. And that we needed it to go home. [00:12:19] Elaine Lindsay: Yeah. Yeah. And, and that in itself were you closer to your dad than your. mom? [00:12:27] Katie Thornton: My dad was always my coach for soccer, so we spent a lot of time together for sports. My mom and I are still very similar on a lot of things and I think that that caused a lot of tension and a lot of issues growing up. Yeah. My mom is my best friend now as an adult and everything, so I don't, I mean, I probably was closer with my dad cuz I just spent more time with him. with soccer and everything. [00:12:56] Elaine Lindsay: But the reason I asked is because [00:13:00] often when it's children, if you are very close to the parent that you lose, you do have thesenot premonitions, but maybe feelings ahead of time. [00:13:13] Katie Thornton: Mm-hmm. , [00:13:13] Elaine Lindsay: even, even when you don't know as a child, you, you know, there's so. . [00:13:19] Katie Thornton: Right. [00:13:19] Elaine Lindsay: You may not be able to articulate it. [00:13:21] Katie Thornton: Mm-hmm. , [00:13:23] Elaine Lindsay: but that does make it difficult. And one of the reasons that I do this podcast is because I, I want us all to end the silence and, and deal with the stigma and the shame that people go through, [00:13:40] Katie Thornton: right. [00:13:41] Elaine Lindsay: Because, You lose a loved one. It does not matter to me how it happened. Mm-hmm. , you, you are suffering a loss of someone that you loved and [00:13:51] Katie Thornton: Right. [00:13:51] Elaine Lindsay: And that's what we need to remember. [00:13:54] Katie Thornton: Mm-hmm. , what was your dad's first name? Mike. [00:13:58] Elaine Lindsay: Mike, okay. [00:14:00] That's, that's I don't know. It's something that I've always asked people because I think it's important to. To give voice to the names of those we've lost. [00:14:11] Katie Thornton: No, I agree. I agree. I like making sure when I'm working with other people and talking to people that we are using their names too, so I like it. [00:14:24] Elaine Lindsay: And do you have children? [00:14:26] Katie Thornton: I do. I have two. [00:14:28] Elaine Lindsay: Okay. And what are your thoughts on age appropriate for children when. As a therapist. [00:14:38] Katie Thornton: Mm-hmm. [00:14:39] Elaine Lindsay: when do you believe it's a good time to share? Like, maybe not in excessive detail, but share that you've lost someone? [00:14:49] Katie Thornton: So, I mean, our kids are young, so I have a four, she'll be five in March, and then the other one is four months, so she's still itty bitty. [00:15:00] Our four year old. . She, well, she looks at pictures of my dad and she, yeah, looks at him. She knows that that's her grandpa. She'll ask like, what's his name? Cuz she knows, like she knows that my mom is her grandma, but she doesn't call her grandma. So I let her name him cuz she's. also their first grandkid. So I'm like, you get to, you get to name him, what do you wanna call him? So she calls him Pop Pop. She has pictures of him. She has her favorite pictures of him. She does ask, she has asked before, like where he is or if she can see him or visit him or something. I can't remember how it all happened exactly, but she has asked where he is. and the conversation kind of threw me off guard at first cuz I'm like, you're two and a half where, why are you asking where pop pop is . Yeah. But we've gone to, and I think every family's gonna be different on how they handle the conversation and yeah, granted our [00:16:00] family is not super religious or anything like that, but I don't know. The first thing that kind of came to both of us, cuz her other grandpa has also passed. . So the first thing that kinda came to both of us is like, your grandpas are in heaven. Yeah. And right now that's good enough for her. And she's like, yeah, they're in heaven. They're happy. So cuz we've had the conversation too of like, we've lost our dog. So we've had to, to explain what happens and like why that's where her dog is. So then she's like, , our dog is with pop Pop, like they're having fun. So it gives her like that sense of peace and comfort, I guess. I don't know. And content. That's where, yeah, that's where we are with the conversation right now is pop, pop is in heaven. And that's all she really knows. And that's all she's really asked. I'm sure that as she gets older she might ask more questions. . And I think that it's important too that at some point, whenever that point is, and I don't know when that's gonna be, , it is gonna be [00:17:00] important for her to to know at least a little bit. She doesn't need to know the details if she doesn't want to kind of thing. But I think family history is important in mental health is part of her family history and our medical history. So at some point I think it is gonna be important for her to know. I just don't know when that time is gonna be yet. We're just playing our cards as she throws them at us a absolutely. [00:17:23] Elaine Lindsay: And that's actually why I asked because. , we are seeing kids younger and younger, not, not only not understanding [00:17:33] Katie Thornton: mm-hmm. , [00:17:34] Elaine Lindsay: but not understanding the thoughts in their own brains. [00:17:37] Katie Thornton: Mm-hmm. [00:17:37] Elaine Lindsay: And the fact that we don't talk about it, we need to bring it out so kids know. Not every thought that runs through your head. [00:17:45] Katie Thornton: Mm-hmm. [00:17:45] Elaine Lindsay: is real. Or, or is true. And, and sometimes we, we can talk about those things now. and allow you to get that out of the way and, and not, [00:18:00] I don't wanna say cover up, but [00:18:01] Katie Thornton: mm-hmm. , [00:18:02] Elaine Lindsay: you know, not, not push it aside. [00:18:05] Katie Thornton: Right. Right. [00:18:06] Elaine Lindsay: It's, it's important for, for us to acknowledge all of our mental health [00:18:12] Katie Thornton: mm-hmm. [00:18:12] Elaine Lindsay: and the fact that, you know, people in the family have gone through something, and you know, after P T S D affects so many people for so many reasons. I think it's really important that kids understand that as well. [00:18:30] Katie Thornton: Yes, I think this kid is definitely a therapist child because we're very big on using our words and she's very big on her feelings. [00:18:39] Elaine Lindsay: Oh, that's good. That's good. , you probably don't think so all the time, [00:18:46] Katie Thornton: but not all the time. There are times that it can be challenging as a parent. But then I just remind myself of like, we want strong, independent women and that's what we're raising her to be, and. . It'll all be good. [00:19:00] It'll all be good for her in the long run. [00:19:02] Elaine Lindsay: Yeah. Yeah. There are challenge, there are definitely challenging days with children, for sure. . But I wanted, I wanted to say, and, and do you, do you think your, your father's death led you down the path of your career? or was it something you, it wasn't something you were leaning towards prior? [00:19:29] Katie Thornton: I was always thinking about being in the field of like working with people and helping people. So yes, in that aspect that's always been a thing. But specifically working on therapy and mental health? No. No, I think his death and the way that he did die is absolutely what pushed me into the mental health direction of helping people and working with people.. Because I was looking more like the medical side and the medical aspect, but after that I was like, no, that's [00:20:00] not the route that I want to go. [00:20:01] Elaine Lindsay: I, it's, it's a very double edge sword that we have to live through these things to have full empathy for others who are going through these things. [00:20:15] Katie Thornton: Right. [00:20:15] Elaine Lindsay: And, and that makes you. very good therapist because you, you understand, right? [00:20:22] Katie Thornton: I think, I mean, it definitely, it definitely gives me kind of that benefit is I've been through something too. So yes, it gives that relatability and I, I say that all the time when I'm meeting with potential clients is like I can have the entire alphabet behind my name and I can have all the degrees and all the certificates and all the training in the. , but if you feel like I can't relate to you or I don't understand you, or you just don't like my personality, cuz that's a big thing too, I'm not the right therapist for you because that relationship between a therapist and a client is so [00:21:00] important and that is gonna be more important and more impactful and lead to more success than having the whole alphabet behind my name. [00:21:11] Elaine Lindsay: Absolutely. I totally agree with. and it's, it's interesting cuz I've had this discussion about the medical field in general. . Mm-hmm. , I firmly believe that doctors, all doctors need to go through the process of surgery before you can fully understand how to be a good surgeon. [00:21:34] Katie Thornton: Right, right. [00:21:35] Elaine Lindsay: You know, and, and the same for dentists. And I think it's really important for you to be able to have had that, that knowledge, that understanding, so that you can be much more empathetic. [00:21:52] Katie Thornton: Right. No, I agree. I agree. [00:21:54] Elaine Lindsay: And it will resonate, I'm sure, with your clients as well. Yeah, yeah. [00:22:00] And you have a, you have a rather broad based practice as well. [00:22:06] Katie Thornton: I've definitely been in a lot of different areas throughout my career for sure. Whether it be in working with children, working with families, working in schools, working in child protection. So I've definitely been in a variety of areas and then also working in like nonprofits or community mental health agencies. Oh, okay. So, and then private practices. And then I have just recently gone out on my own. So now that I'm out on my own, I am being a little bit more like strict and narrow about what I take and like really honing in on my skillset and my area of expertise and all of. So now that I'm on my own, I am being a little bit more picky and strict about who I'm working with, but I feel like I kind of can be, and that's how I'm gonna be the most successful, is just really absolutely honing in on my, my [00:23:00] strengths. [00:23:00] Elaine Lindsay: Absolutely. Because when, when that's what you bring to the table, then that's where you can be most effective. Absolutely. [00:23:07] Katie Thornton: Mm-hmm. [00:23:09] Elaine Lindsay: on that note we talked briefly before this about some, I think, I think it's exciting upcoming news. [00:23:19] Katie Thornton: Yeah. [00:23:20] Elaine Lindsay: What is it you're going to be doing in March? [00:23:22] Katie Thornton: No, I am excited about it. It's something that I have been wanting to do for a, a while in. life kept happening. So it hasn't happened yet, but it's going to, in March, I am going to start a group for people that have lost someone to suicide and working on helping people to find that strength again after losing a loved one to suicide and, and helping them through that process and that journey. And I think in the mental health world, we always say it's okay to not be. Yeah, and that's absolutely true. Like it is okay for us to not have good days all the time because that's reality. Mm-hmm. , [00:24:00] we're human beings. And I feel like the other thing, especially with a suicide loss, is reminding people that it's also okay to be okay. [00:24:10] Elaine Lindsay: Yeah. [00:24:11] Katie Thornton: Because we have so much guilt, I think when it comes to suicide of like they were obviously in this not so good head space and that's where they were. And they were clearly struggling and battling and. fighting with themselves internally. So I think sometimes when we, we work through that grief, grief is hard and it's complicated and there's all these different things. Yeah. And then when we get to that acceptance stage of grief, we can also be like, Ooh. Then there's this guilt of I shouldn't be okay. I shouldn't just be like going and living my happy life when. This person was going through all these terrible things and this is what happened. Like how can I, how can I be okay and live my life and be happy and excited? So you feel guilty? And I [00:25:00] think it's a normal part of grief, especially with the suicide grief. [00:25:04] Elaine Lindsay: Yeah. [00:25:04] Katie Thornton: And I also want people to know that like, it's okay to still like be happy and excited about life. . [00:25:12] Elaine Lindsay: And another piece to that is there is no timeframe. [00:25:20] Katie Thornton: No, there's not a timeline on on grief, unfortunately. And just because there's the stages of grief and you've gone through the stages of grief. doesn't mean that it's not gonna come back up for you another time. Life events seem to bring that grief back up where it's like, I've already gone through these things, so why am I going through, like, why am I depressed again? I was, I went through depression. Mm-hmm. . So why am I depressed? But life events seem to bring. those things back up. [00:25:50] Elaine Lindsay: I totally agree. I I've often thought it's kind of like a merry-go-round. Mm-hmm. , I, I don't wanna get back on, [00:26:00] but it's there and, and it's attached to me and there are things that. that are part of my history. Mm-hmm. and, and you find yourself sometimes right back on there. [00:26:11] Katie Thornton: Mm-hmm. . Yeah. [00:26:15] Elaine Lindsay: I know that over the years that's, that's been a, a common question for people is, well, how long is too long? Like, or How short is too short? And, and I think it's really important that we reinforce the fact. , everybody is individual. [00:26:37] Katie Thornton: Mm-hmm. . Absolutely. It's gonna look different for everybody. Yeah. And it's gonna feel different for everybody. [00:26:42] Elaine Lindsay: Yeah. [00:26:43] Katie Thornton: And I mean, you can go back to the fact that my brother and I are in the same family and the same household, and we had the same like upbringing, but we grieved differently. And that doesn't mean that either one of us grieved right or wrong. No. We grieved the way that we needed to grieve at that.[00:27:00] and, and that's a really super point. There is no right or wrong. Mm-hmm. [00:27:07] Elaine Lindsay: to grief. It just is however it is for you. [00:27:13] Katie Thornton: Yeah. Yeah. [00:27:16] Elaine Lindsay: And, and that's the other reason that I do the podcast is because we found that in sharing your story, it can somewhat lighten your. and can give you the opportunity to sometimes bolster the good memories and remember to say their names. [00:27:40] Katie Thornton: Right. No, I think , I think it can be really empowering to share your story because there is so much stigma and there's so much judgment and negativity around mental health and around suicide specifically. . Where II think that there's times that we can be shamed for, [00:27:58] Elaine Lindsay: yeah. [00:27:59] Katie Thornton: For our [00:28:00] lives and our stories and our journeys, but when you go through it and you finally find your voice to be able to share your story and know that it can actually impact other people in yes, really positive ways. It is also really empowering and therapeutic to just like get it out of you so it helps you and it can help other. . [00:28:21] Elaine Lindsay: Yeah. And sometimes that's the, just that extra incentive you need. Mm-hmm. to deal with. Another little piece of your grief is to share your story. [00:28:32] Katie Thornton: Yeah, absolutely. [00:28:35] Elaine Lindsay: So is there something you would like to leave the audience? That either something you find useful, something that, that you tell your clients, something that's intrinsically you. [00:28:53] Katie Thornton: Ooh, I don't know. That's a hard one. I mean, [00:29:00] I do remind my clients like making, making yourself a. Especially as like as a parent you still have to put yourself first. And I know not everyone agrees with that, but we do have to make ourselves a priority so that we can take care of ourselves and we can show up the best way that we can show up in all of our other areas of life. And then I also do, I like to, especially when it's suicide and those that have lost someone to suicide, is just reminding them that it is okay to be okay and it's okay to be happy and excited about life again. because that's what you deserve. [00:29:41] Elaine Lindsay: That was beautifully said, Katie. Thank you so much. [00:29:44] Katie Thornton: Of course. [00:29:47] Elaine Lindsay: I really appreciate Katie Thornton being with us today, and I look forward to perhaps talking with you again, Katie. [00:29:56] Katie Thornton: Absolutely. Absolutely. [00:29:58] Elaine Lindsay: I'm Elaine Lindsay. This is [00:30:00] Suicide Zen Forgiveness. As per always make the very best of your today, every day. I look forward to seeing you next time. Bye for now.

In this re-broadcast episode of the Science of Selling STEM, I had a chat with Elaine Lindsay, the CFO ofhttps://www.troolsocial.com/ ( TROOL Social Media). Elaine works with entrepreneurs to achieve more visibility online. She serves to get you found fast and first in search results! You can be Google's preferred choice in your niche when you harness the power of your Mindset + Website + Social Media + SEO efforts altogether. Elaine believes INTEGRATION is KEY to all you do, especially in the digital space. Online since the dial-up modem, Elaine created her first website for a regional counselor in 1999 and immediately knew there must be more to assure your business would stand out in the digital space. Enjoy the episode and if you need help with any sales or leadership issue don't hesitate to book a complimentary clarity session with me https://calendarhero.to/wesleynecappuccino (HERE).  On Today's Episode of the Science of Selling STEM: Who Elaine is and how she works with entrepreneurs 40+ to achieve more visibility online (01:53) Getting to the top of search results by crafting your words to fit your niche (04:08) Integrate your NAP - Name, Address, Phone (06:25) Stay in your lane- maintain your authority in your niche () Speak to one person... In all ways it's about them not you () Connect with Wesleyne Greer: https://transformedsales.com/ (Wesleyne's Website) https://www.linkedin.com/in/wesleynegreer/ (Wesleyne on LinkedIn) https://web.facebook.com/wesleynegreer (Wesleyne on Facebook) https://twitter.com/wesleynegreer (Wesleyne on Twitter) Email Her at WGreer@TransformedSales.com Connect with Elaine Lindsay: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elainelindsay/ (Elaine on LinkedIn) Rate, Review, Learn, and Share Thanks for tuning into The Science of Selling STEM! If you enjoyed this episode and want to learn even more about what it takes to transform your sales, don't forget to tune into our other episodes and share your favorite episodes on social media! Join The Science of Selling STEM community onhttps://www.facebook.com/WesleyneGreerCEO ( Facebook), https://twitter.com/WesleyneGreer (Twitter),https://www.linkedin.com/in/wesleynegreer/ ( LinkedIn) and https://www.transformedsales.com/ (visit my website) for even more content, information, and resources

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Elaine Lindsay pilots the SS Optimization on the digital seas as The Social Optimization Specialist & Speaker who works with savvy, small biz entrepreneurs 40+. An avid early adopter and lifelong learner she consistently analyses the trends and digs into the apps to provide the best use scenarios for integrating and optimizing search, social media, video, podcasts, audio and more.Elaine believes INTEGRATION is KEY. Get your Mindset + Website + Social Media + SEO efforts congruent to signal the search engines your relevance online. Using TROOL’s Integrate & Optimize Method™, Elaine helps you to communicate to all of the search engines that you are the authority in your niche.Elaine takes you further in your digital journey. providing leading-edge strategies to harness all the optimization for your online properties. You are able to better serve your audience, focus your social proof, and get found fast and first in the search results!You can Find Elaine @ the corner of Search and Social.WEBSITE: https://www.troolsocial.comReach out to Elaine Lindsay and the TROOL Social team to help you boost your online presence by making your digital accounts work together effectively.Business Banter Plus TV Show - Tune in every Thu 3PM ETLearn and be inspired by the success stories of amazing entrepreneur guests.>> https://tv.troolsocial.com/BBPTV Show Podcast - Listen and Subscribe>> https://tv.troolsocial.com/podcasts/ See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Super excited to share my conversation this week with Social SEO Specialist, Host of BBP TV Show and Speaker- Elaine Lindsay. Elaine and I are both columnists for www.marketingmediamoney.com We cover so much in this podcast! Flawsome- Your weaknesses are what makes you awesome! "I had to learn to love me in order to love others." Having a Gratitude Attitude "Make the best of your day - everyday!" It will be impossible to not finish listening to this podcast feeling good! Keep in touch w/ Elaine on FB, LI, Twitter, IG, and you can email her at elaine@elainelindsay.com Thank you for listening! Please share and rate & review on Apple. Stay in the know! Trigger Detox 3 Month Program- goodkarmaconfidence.com My 1st solo book- Confidence Mastery For Couples- Roadmap to a More Intimate Relationship- is live! https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08XWP87TT/ref=sr_1_18?dchild=1&keywords=couples+confidence&qid=1614761808&sr=8-18 Follow on: LI, FB or IG melinda_vanfleet Free Believe & Take Action Daily Guide as well as Good Karma Confidence weekly email at: https://goodkarmasuccesscoach.com Private FB Group- Good Karma Confidence Contact me for private one on one coaching: info@melindavanfleet.com      

Hi there, I’m Judy Croon, Canada’s Keynote Humourist. Welcome to another episode of ‘Laugh Long and Prosper’. It’s Monday which means it’s time for Just Another Mindful Monday. Today with me, I have my very good friend, Elaine Lindsay. You’ve probably heard me speak about Elaine numerous times. Elaine is a Social SEO Specialist. She is the Bionic Glammapreneur. She is an author and a speaker. In fact, one of the topics that Elaine speaks about is suicide prevention. No, it’s not funny but it’s important. As people are struggling -especially, now during Covid, I thought it would be a good idea to invite Elaine to join me on ‘Just Another Mindful Monday’. Elaine lost a close friend to suicide many years ago -Andrea. Andrea has been the catalyst for Elaine’s journey and project entitled http://www.GiftFromAndrea.com Elaine also has a podcast entitled 'Suicide, Zombies and Forgiveness'. I encourage you to check both of them out. Just remember that you are not alone. Please remember that there is the Canada Suicide Prevention Helpline at http://www.CrisisServicesCanada.ca or call 1-833-456-4566. You can also text the crisis line via SMS 686868.

Elaine Lindsay is the CFO of with https://www.troolsocial.com/ (TROOL Social Media )and she works with entrepreneurs to achieve more visibility online. Elaine serves to get you found fast and first in search results! You can be Google's preferred choice in your niche when you harness the power of your Mindset + Website + Social Media + SEO efforts altogether. Elaine believes INTEGRATION is KEY to all you do, especially in the digital space. Online since the dial-up modem, Elaine created her first website for a regional counselor in 1999 and immediately knew there must be more to assure your business would stand out in the digital space.  On today's episode you will learn: Who Elaine is and how she works with entrepreneurs 40+ to achieve more visibility online. Integrate your NAP (Name, Address, Phone) Stay in your lane- maintain your authority in your niche Speak to one person... In all ways it's about them not you Elaine Lindsay invites guests to her https://www.troolsocial.com/ (free mini audit checklist offer) Don't forget to tune into our other shows and share your favorite episodes on social media to help others handle the tough times, succeeding and failing in business, and how you can CHOOSE to keep on going... to look for the lesson, to rejoice in the failures, (and yes there will be failures) and most importantly, how you then dust off for the next try! Join the community of Snack Size Sales fans on https://www.facebook.com/WesleyneGreerCEO (Facebook), https://twitter.com/WesleyneGreer (Twitter), https://www.linkedin.com/in/wesleynegreer/ (LinkedIn) and https://www.transformedsales.com/ (visit my website )for even more content, information, and resources about leveraging the media.

Elaine Lindsay of Trool Social joined Christoph Trappe on this episode to discuss how digital behaviors, platforms and the whole brand experience needs to be integrated. Find her at https://www.troolsocial.com/ On Twitter: https://twitter.com/troolsocial Articles mentioned on the show: Knowledge panels: https://authenticstorytelling.net/how-i-got-a-google-knowledge-panel/ Keyword collaborations: https://authenticstorytelling.net/keyword-collaboration-to-take-your-keyword-research-to-the-next-level/ Local SEO: https://authenticstorytelling.net/local-seo-how-to-get-local-links-that-help-your-business-drive-more-leads/ --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/ctrappe/message

PART B - The last section each guest shares tips to help you with starting a podcast!Top Tips From The Write Coach✍️ Podcasts are a great way to build your brand.✍️ Be clear about your message.✍️ A Funnel takes your customer on a journey. Do you have questions about Podcasting?What is the process for podcasting? When should you start? Join Keith Keller, Joyce Glass, Elaine Lindsay, Kerry Gorgone, and Annemarie Cross as this group of influencers discuss what microphone to purchase, the importance of good audio and video, and other details of podcasting.Can you make money podcasting?Annemarie Cross and the group discuss how to build your reach and achieve a level of engagement to gain clients. Join them to learn how to clarify your message and find your ideal audience. Learn how to use a funnel to identify your listeners.All links mentioned are in the Episode #1301 Post.The Full Post #1301: How to use podcasting to build your brand & connect with your readers? appeared first on The Write Coach site. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

PART A - This file was too large for one episode. Listen to Part B for tips from each of the guest to help you with your podcast to build your brand and connect with your readers. Top Tips From The Write Coach✍️ Podcasts are a great way to build your brand.✍️ Be clear about your message.✍️ A Funnel takes your customer on a journey. Do you have questions about Podcasting?What is the process for podcasting? When should you start? Join Keith Keller, Joyce Glass, Elaine Lindsay, Kerry Gorgone, and Annemarie Cross as this group of influencers discuss what microphone to purchase, the importance of good audio and video, and other details of podcasting.Can you make money podcasting?Annemarie Cross and the group discuss how to build your reach and achieve a level of engagement to gain clients. Join them to learn how to clarify your message and find your ideal audience. Learn how to use a funnel to identify your listeners.All links mentioned are in the Episode #1301 Post.You can watch the full video at this link. The Full Post #1301: How to use podcasting to build your brand & connect with your readers? appeared first on The Write Coach site. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

   As a young woman, Elaine was crushed between 3 cars and suffered massive internal injuries and endured multiple surgeries.     Elaine bravely self proclaims that she is a functional junkie and shares her journey in hopes it may help others gain insight.     We discuss how the fact that pain killer addiction is treated like a dirty little secret perpetuates the problem (if not creates the problem).     People in chronic pain experience shame.     Tips for people suffering from pain killer addiction:     You have to do it for you (not for others in your life).     Overcome the feeling that you don't deserve better.     Dig deep to call on courage to seek help.     Take that first step.     Tips for family of people who suffer from addiction:     The more you push to help, the more likely they'll push away.     When they seem to rebel against you, it's often their way of trying to protect you (because we are hard-wired to protect those we love).     Addicts often suffer from lack of self-confidence.     Just keep loving them.     You can't control others, but you can control your own reaction.     When they feel judged by you, you are telling them they are less than. So it feels like you're giving love on the one hand and rescinding it with the other.   Elaine’s New Program: https://www.troolsocial.com/prepare-prosper-now-in-the-new-economy/   Website: https://www.troolsocial.com Instagram: http://instagram.com/troolsocial   CONNECT WITH CINDY: Website: www.womenonpurpose.ca Facebook:  https://www.facebook.com/womenonpurposecommunity/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/womenonpurposecoaching/ LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/thecindywatson Show: https://www.womenonpurpose.ca/media/podcast-2/ Twitter:  https://twitter.com/womenonpurpose1 YouTube: http://bit.ly/WomenonPurposeYT Email:  cindy@womenonpurpose.ca Schedule an appointment with Cindy- https://calendly.com/cwatson-3/60min   

Elaine Lindsay is a speaker, glammapreneur, digital diva and boomer biz advisor who aims for 1% better each day. As an early adopter and lifetime learner, for the last 18 plus years, Elaine has studied web design, search optimization (SEO), social media, and video to help you to integrate and optimize your online presence.Elaine believes that everything you do can have a positive effect on your search results. Getting You Found = More Traffic = Increased Revenue for your business when you develop a great search and social media process that you can rinse and repeat!TROOL Social Media works with business professionals to utilize social media, video, podcasts and search to integrate and optimize your web presence >> https://www.troolsocial.com/Listen to the BBPShow with Elaine Lindsay >> https://anchor.fm/bbpshowFREEBIE:Mini Digital Audit ChecklistUse this checklist to see where you are missing info, where you can solidify your foundations to better help your prospects, customers and the search bots too! https://www.troolsocial.com/mini-audit-checklist-offer/ See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Marie is a Conversion Specialist whose 'Never-Ending Clients' program makes you easy to say “Yes” to… Marie says "Over the last 9 years I've used my NeverEnding Clients Gameplan to help my clients create over $38 million in revenue by showing them how to go from drowning in a sea of competition, to standing alone in a market of one!" Business Banter Plus TV host Elaine Lindsay interviews guests to get their WHY? Simon Sinek starts with WHY. Elaine likes to delve into the WHY? of everything... Guests come from all walks of life and bring their incredible stories! --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/bbpshow/message

Google Optimization Tips for Thought Leaders My guest today says, “Social media is a two way street!” Joining me today is Elaine Lindsay. Elaine is an early adopter, lifetime learner, polymath, speaker, strategist, optimization and integration ​advisor​ providing the secret sauce to integrate and optimize all that you do online. Elaine breaks down the geek-speak [...] The post 17: Google Optimization Tips for Thought Leaders appeared first on The Ambitious Entrepreneur Podcast Network.

Google Optimization Tips for Thought Leaders My guest today says, “Social media is a two way street!” Joining me today is Elaine Lindsay. Elaine is an early adopter, lifetime learner, polymath, speaker, strategist, optimization and integration ​advisor​ providing the secret sauce to integrate and optimize all that you do online. Elaine breaks down the geek-speak [...] The post 17: Google Optimization Tips for Thought Leaders appeared first on The Ambitious Entrepreneur Podcast Network.

Are you using Google to attract new patients? If not, you should be! We're super excited to have special guest, Elaine Lindsay (TROOLsocial) on this week's podcast! Elaine will be talking all things Google and sharing how Google voice may be impacting your practice and how people find you online!

• How to embrace social media without going nuts • “You have to do your research so that you know where your customers are" Small business owners can often feel like one-person fire departments, racing from one problem or opportunity to another. And then comes marketing… and especially marketing using social media. If it all seems too much, our guest in this CVBT Podcast can ease some of your concerns. From Ottawa, via Zoom software, we're talking with Elaine Lindsay. Please click here to listen to our audio interview with Ms. Lindsay:

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Elaine Lindsay is your Guide to the Future of Digital.  For over 17 years she has been an early adopter; studied web development, search optimization (SEO), social media and video to learn the best way to integrate and optimize your digital presence from the ground up.  After a major automobile accident at age 20 and a life-changing botched surgery at age 27, business goals became reading material.  Soaking up knowledge and learning to use a computer were the only avenues available to feed Elaine's brain and deflect the pain, as she was recuperating in and out of hospital.  The woman who was not supposed to survive, who is often referred to as The Bionic Woman, shares how she reinvented herself and how you too can choose a different path regardless of your circumstances, age or stage in your life.  Listen in as we discuss how pain and tragedy can be a catalyst to leading you on a different journey and help you to see that it's never too late to jump off your train and head down a different track along the path to gratitude, joy, happiness and your true destiny.https://www.troolsocial.com/  

To be seen online, keep branding uppermost in mind. Elaine Lindsay, TroolmediaOnline presence is a must in today’s selling environment. It can be confusing, as it is important! There is so much to learn, and that is why our guest, Elaine Lindsay, can help you!In this episode, you will hear.A different way to look at social mediaThe surprising platform that gets indexed firstwhat a farrier can teach us about social mediaHow to rock your images in online to send people to you!And more!To contact Elaine, go to her website: https://troolmedia.comMusic by http://www.bensound.comRemember to join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/blackbeltsellingMore Podcasts from Black Belt Selling https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLc-D15KuHTDkeoLZkHbjYoPRUbWZmSlzH