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Carlos Corredor, Co-Founder and CEO of Condor Digital Marketing, is driven by a passion for interpreting data and helping marketing leaders Generate and Measure Your Pipeline with greater accuracy. ith a background in sports analytics and journalism, Carlos helps B2B companies identify which marketing activities generate qualified leads, clients, and revenue so they can invest confidently in what works. In this conversation, Carlos introduces The Condor Pipeline Generation Framework—Understand Current Pipeline Generation, Map the Process, Move Budgets to Their Highest and Best Use, Fix Measurement Gaps, and Rinse and Repeat. He explains why marketers should begin with clients and revenue instead of clicks and impressions, how the Pipeline X-Ray exposes attribution gaps, and why budgets should move toward channels with proven returns. Carlos also discusses using BANT to diagnose conversion problems and why client champions, paid media, and events drive growth in high-ticket B2B markets. — Generate and Measure Your Pipeline with Carlos Corredor Good day, dear listeners. Steve Preda here with the Management Blueprint, and today my guest is Carlos Corredor, Co-Founder and CEO of Condor Digital Marketing, a pipeline generation and measurement firm. Carlos, welcome to the show. Hey, Steve. Hi, everybody. Thanks for having me. Great to be here. It's exciting to have you and to learn about your secrets of how you generate a measurable pipeline. But before we get into it, I'm curious: What is your personal why, and how are you manifesting it through your company? Yeah. So I've always been passionate about sports and the data behind sports, and I actually worked in sports data analysis and journalism. But ultimately, I've been passionate about interpreting data to have an advantage, whether that's playing tennis or doing analysis for baseball teams. And then I eventually started working in marketing, doing sports websites, and I saw the opportunity. In marketing in general, especially with digital, to use data to your advantage. So I would say that's really what I'm passionate about in terms of my professional life and why I enjoy what I do so much and why I get up in the morning and I really look forward to the day and even to Monday. Because obviously, it's not all fun. But ultimately, I think it comes from that passion of liking what you're doing, and the time flies when you work and you like what you do and you see that you're good at what you're doing and it's making an impact. So I would say that's why. And have you always been a data person? Are you analytical and like to look at the numbers behind things? Yeah, yeah. It started with sports. That's where I realized that I had, let's say, that passion at the beginning and ultimately that skill. With baseball at the beginning, it was reading the back of baseball cards and then fantasy baseball in high school, and then actually working in that. In kind of like sabermetrics and Moneyball-type analysis in college. Because I saw, just like it happens in marketing, how back in the old days, even professionals, they were using the wrong type of data or a very antiquated way of looking at things. So it's like understanding really what has an impact and what is responsible for outcomes. That's, I think, the part that I've always thought was what's important and what I had a knack for, a talent to do that better than others. So that's why I went deep into that. Okay. So how do you do that? So this podcast is a podcast of frameworks. So I wonder if you have a framework of how to create pipeline generation based on data, and perhaps you can share a simplified version of that with our listeners, something that can be explained in three to five steps. Yeah, definitely. And I'll give you first the kind of like the philosophy or the mental model, and then I'll give you those steps because one comes from the other. So in marketing, with all of the data that's available, especially today, a lot of people start at the bottom. At clicks, impressions, and then they try to build a bottoms-up report to then prove what's generating leads and clients and revenue. But that is always inexact, takes forever. What I propose is doing it the opposite: a top-down approach where you start with clients and revenue, and then start figuring out where those leads in your pipeline or clients and the closed revenue is coming from. And you will know all of that at the beginning. So that's, I think, how it starts, that framework. So the first step of the framework is to understand, which sounds really basic, but you'd be surprised today how many marketing leaders, marketing VPs, CMOs of especially mid-market, definitely smaller mid-market, and even some enterprise companies, don't have that data readily available to understand how much pipeline did we, as a marketing department, generate, let's say, last year. So that's, I think, the first step, is understanding that. It's asking your team for a report that says that. Now your team's going to come back and say they won't know the full picture. Maybe they know 10%, maybe they know 90%. But they're going to show you something. So then is the second step. You're going to start adjusting your investments to what you're seeing there, and at the same time, you're going to start fixing the dark holes or what you can't see. And then simply step number three is rinse and repeat every, let's say, quarter at the beginning. And obviously, there's nuances of how exactly you should adjust and what exactly you can fix. But ultimately, that would be the three-step approach that you asked about. That's fascinating. So the understand piece is understanding your pipeline or how you're generating the pipeline? What is it? Understanding what? Yeah. So actually we have a name for that first step. We call it the Pipeline X-Ray. So let's say you start a new job as a CMO of a new company. Or simply you've been in the job for a while and you're listening to this and you say, “Okay, actually, I've never thought about it that way. Let's sit tomorrow with my team and ask the question: How many qualified leads and closed clients have we, as marketing, generated so far this year and, let's say, last year?” That is understanding that. Now, I'll tell you, I'd be very surprised if the marketing person or the marketing team or the leader has that data in a way that they can say with 100% certainty what the answer is. In terms of, “We've closed these four clients, and we've had 72 qualified leads. And out of the 72, 50 have come from our paid search campaigns, 10 have come from events, and then the others have come from organic.” In an ideal world, that's the type of answer that you want. But in the real world, again, very rarely do you have that clear understanding right then and there. So that's when step number two becomes, okay, let's close the gaps to be able to have an understanding. Okay. So essentially, when you say adjust and fix, then are you talking about adjusting and fixing the process of generating clients, or actually mapping the gaps in the pipeline first? Yeah, so that's a great question. The adjust, I mean move budget around. Not necessarily increase budget. You have to prove what's working. And obviously, if you don't have the full picture and understanding, you cannot just go to your CEO and say, “I need more budget.” So with the same budget that you have, what can you pause and move around towards the things that step number one told you with certainty are working. So if, let's say, out of the 50 qualified leads that you generated, you saw that half of them came from your paid search campaigns, then you say, “Oh, okay.” And then you don't see anything, let's say, for conferences, and now you're going to 10 conferences a year and you're spending a million dollars on conferences, and you're only spending $200,000 a year on your paid media spend. Then you say, “You know what? I'm going to stop. I'm going to pause. We're not going to go to these two conferences this year, and I'm going to move those $200,000, and we're going to double our spend in Google Ads,” for example. That's what I mean with the adjust piece. It could be the opposite. It could be pause paid search and then be more aggressive on our conference strategy. It could be, let's start a paid social campaign, whether that's LinkedIn or programmatic ads, or let's be more aggressive on our PR because right now our leads have come from interviews that our subject matter experts have done in certain types of podcasts or YouTube channels. But that's what step number one is. But adjust is move budget around. Put your stocks where the returns are positive and where you can expect a better return almost immediately, or at least in the next upcoming months. And then the fix is particularly around the measurement gaps. The fix is what you can't see, right, on step number one. Step number one is understanding. And a report with all of that. When the person that does the reporting for you came back, or when you did it yourself or whatever, probably a lot of leads are like, “Ah, now it says direct traffic. What is that?” Obviously, they didn't just come and wake up one day and say, “Oh, I'm just going to go to condoragency.com.” No, they heard you somewhere, but you're still not sure. You won the client, you know you won the client, the client's paying you money, but you're not sure. So maybe, okay, what needs to improve in our measurement framework. Usually, you can start with your CRM, your HubSpot, Salesforce, for instance, or whatever you use. There's some web analytics that might need to happen. You need to connect your advertising platforms. You're probably going to need to start talking to your sales team so they ask the right questions when they have discovery calls with prospects. I mean, there's a few things you can do, but I'm talking specifically about measurement gaps so you can have the full picture. So when you talk to new prospects or clients, can they answer one most of the time? They can partially answer one. I would go a step beyond because, I mean, that's not the sexiest answer. I would say it's usually, let's just say, around 50% of their leads and clients, they can know who was responsible. And then there's a couple of parts there. First and foremost, not only for your sake, but for the sake of your alignment with the C-suite and with the CEO and the CFO and even the sales team. You want to know, is marketing responsible for this? Number one. Because then that's very important. Because that's what's going to justify the existence of the marketing team. Then later, if it came from a paid search campaign or a paid social or a conference, if those all are in the marketing budget, that's secondary. But most importantly, you want to make sure that, number one, you're bringing pipeline as a marketing department, and number two, you know exactly what pipeline you're bringing. Not only you, but then also your CEO and your CFO. So then it's like a luxury, let's say, to see if it comes from, the tough part is that you won't know that it comes from marketing unless you're tracking paid search and you're tracking conferences in the CRM the right way. So obviously, they are related in that way. Okay. Love it. So understand your pipeline generation, and then adjust the budget to make sure you're supporting the ones that generate the most, and fix those that are not optimized. So maybe optimize them or replace them or come up with a new one. How else do you fix other than your measurement gaps? Okay, you fixed the measurement gaps. Now you can measure it. You have a full picture. Then you have a slate of options, and how do you know what to choose if you're not doing enough? Yeah. So I think there’s a couple of things there. One is understanding if you… Because, obviously, you always want to generate more pipeline. So you have to then say, “Okay, is my problem that I'm not generating any interest in the first place at all?” Like, there's nobody visiting my website. Or even downloading some pieces of content, what traditionally is called conversions or marketing-qualified leads. Obviously, that's not the goal. The goal is that they turn into clients. But you have to know that if people are not visiting your website and you're not seeing marketing-qualified leads coming into your CRM, then you have to do certain things. Whereas if the problem is, “Okay, no, that's not the problem, Carlos,” and this is actually more common, which is a little counterintuitive, but the more and more that we work with mid-market clients, we realize this is the case.They are generating marketing-qualified leads. There is activity in the CRM. There are companies, new companies, that you see are visiting your website, downloading and consuming content. But then, for some reason, they are not becoming clients. So that's where we have to dig in and understand. Maybe they downloaded a white paper that was very educational in nature. And they're not ready to buy. Which is fine, and I'm not saying you have to not show that white paper, but you know that white paper is not going to bring you ready-to-buy customers. So that's when we have the concept of what sales and marketing people call a BANT-type of lead, which is a lead that has the budget, the authority, the need, and the timing. You want, obviously, a lead that has the four things. Now you start, you measure. Okay, we had 10 leads, and they had, let's say, the budget and the authority. They were the CTO. The lead of the technology department in the company that we know has the budget. But they just downloaded this and didn't convert. They didn't have, let's say, the timing or the need. Then maybe you rely more on, for example, paid search, which is a channel that, by searching the right keywords, the bottom-of-funnel keywords, for example, we are a pipeline generation firm. If somebody is looking for, “What is Google Ads?” That's educational. Now, if somebody's searching for “experienced agencies in B2B managing Google Ads.” Now, that's somebody that's ready to hire an agency to manage their Google Ads. So that's why, for example, in this case, if the component that's lacking is the need and the timing, paid search could be a way to do it. Or intent data, which is now something that is out there not only via paid search, but you identify certain signals and you can target them on programmatic ads or YouTube or whatever. That's another alternative. So that's something that you could do, for example, if you have a pain in moving leads down the funnel and closing clients, and you also realize that you're talking to the right people, but then they're simply not converting. And the opposite. You get a lot of people that need your service. But they may be too small, or they may be just a manager and they don't have the authority to approve a high-ticket service. Then you go towards maybe LinkedIn targeting, or you do a campaign that is based more on account-based marketing, or ABM. Where you know you're talking to the right people. So again, that's another adjustment that you can make. So I don't know if I… Sorry if I deviated a little bit from the question, Steve, but hopefully that's still— No, it makes sense. It makes sense. So first you want to measure, and then you diagnose. If you've got some activity but it's not converting, why is it not converting? Maybe it's not the right approach to build trust. Maybe there's another approach. And then you look at the different elements: budget, authority, need, timing. That makes sense. So let me turn it back to you. So what drives growth in your business? So for us, I would say if we do that, let's say, Pipeline X-Ray. And we actually did. We've been in business for almost 10 years now. And if you would do a Pipeline X-Ray, the number one driver of leads and new clients are, let's just call it, Condor champions that switch jobs. And not switch jobs that were working with us, but they were working with one of our clients. And they worked with us, and they saw the work that we did, and they ended up moving to another agency within the same space, for example, or in B2B services, or even if it's something a little more niche like tech services, which is an area that we also specialize in. And then they say, “I already worked with Condor for either measurement or paid search campaigns or demand generation in general, and I like working with them, so they're going to call us.” And then some people, they switch multiple jobs. So embracing that and obviously using that to fuel and to focus even more on doing a great job and maintaining relationships with people, obviously most importantly while they're a client, but even if they switch, not forgetting about them. That has been the main driver. Obviously, we don't want to only rely on that. And then more recently, we've given more structure to our own sales and marketing department for that. And, for example, we closed a client that came via a paid search campaign. But that's still… We haven't scaled those yet. We're still making sure. We're still in that measurement phase where, yeah, we're putting budget behind a few things and some of them seem to be working better, but not yet at the point of truly scaling that. We're ultimately also a relatively small firm, which obviously makes decisions differently than if you are, let's say, a mid-market or enterprise. But those, I would say, in order of importance, have been our three main drivers of growth: the champions that switch jobs, number one, and then I would say secondarily, paid media and events. Yeah. So these are the three things. And what about the events? Why do you put events as a third? I'm just thinking that you're a B2B company and trust-based. Would events not be better than paid media? I would say they're not mutually exclusive. Actually, they rely a lot on each other. And honestly, for us, I just put number two and three, but I would say they're tied for second, and then the other ones are four and below. And the reason why I think events are important, what we're seeing not only for us but for our clients, the outbound activity is really saturated. I think cold email or cold outreach in general, because it used to be via email, now it's on LinkedIn as well, it's really, really saturated. It's really hard to be heard or to get a reply with cold outreach in general. Paid media, you can be a little bit more creative because you have visuals. Whether that's video that hopefully you can leverage. So I'm a believer in paid media more than the actual cold outreach via email or LinkedIn. But then the events are also great precisely because of that. People are saturated and tired of being bombarded with messages from people they don't know. Whereas especially after COVID, people started going back to both the office and simply going out there. It doesn't have to be a big yearly conference. It can be just a dinner where you invite four or five people and talk about certain topics or any in-person activity. Well, I mean, a webinar can even be considered an event. Where you're educating your audience on certain things. And especially if your target audience is more on the manager side or below, or director and below, webinars can be an avenue. But to answer your question, I think that personal connection is really, really powerful. And people forgot about it with, let's say, the boom of cold outreach and digital and now AI, and especially during COVID. But definitely in the last few years, we've seen not only that people are more willing or prefer to meet people in person, but we see that in the data as well, We see cold outreach campaigns that are bringing less and less results. And then when you connect in person. Especially high-ticket. I also give this example. If you're selling B2B services, which are usually high-ticket. It's a project of either $50,000. It could be an engagement of $2 million over two years. Obviously, you want to know the company, but you also want to trust the human that is going to deliver on that promise. I always give the example: If you're selling an iPhone cover that costs $25, yeah, maybe you can get away with a pretty image on an Instagram ad. You click and you buy. Boom. Great. You can fully leverage digital for that. But when you're selling a cloud migration project of a million dollars, you're going to want to talk to somebody, trust that person, dig in a little bit more, have a couple of meetings. So it's more complex. So in particular for those instances, that's why I think the personal connection, that it's even better if it starts at an event, or however you manage to do it, helps a lot. So for Condor, do you make a distinction between B2B companies and B2C, and where you can help them the most? Yeah. We have a couple of direct-to-consumer clients, but the majority of the work that we do is either for B2B or, if not B2B, it's lead generation. So e-commerce, for example, is a different world. E-commerce, as I mentioned, depending on what you buy, it's immediate. You track things. You have a platform like Shopify or something similar. It's a whole different world. Whereas that's immediate, and you can see everything, and it's all kind of automated and based on an inventory. Whereas in either B2B services or lead generation, it's more about, okay, what happens after the initial action, after that initial either visit or conversion. Because a conversion is not a purchase. In e-commerce, in direct-to-consumer, in the example that I gave you, we made it. We sold the cover. That's our business. In here, it's like, okay, they downloaded a white paper. Or they signed up for a webinar, but that's only the first step of a long journey of closing, again, a $1 million service client. So we specialize in that. In what needs to happen, not only to generate the initial raise of hand, but to make sure that the people that raise their hands are the right people, because otherwise they're not going to end up buying. And ultimately, the entire process of lead generated to client closed. Which is a big universe in itself. So that's where we want to focus. So you basically help them not just to get the leads but to convert the leads and turn them into a client. Right. Right. So Carlos, if you had a magic wand and you could fix just one thing in your business in the next 12 months, what would you use the magic wand for? I would say accelerate. I would accelerate by five or 10 years the structure and how mature our sales and marketing team is. I would love to wake up tomorrow morning and have a team of five people in the marketing department and five people dedicated to sales, with SDRs and a sales leader, that is already generating, that we're closing 10 clients a month. So I would say that's… But that obviously takes time. And you want to go one step at a time, otherwise, to prove ROI and to grow without, let's say, wasting unproven budget or wasting money. But I think a lot of owners—I don't know if it's a cheap answer—but I think a lot of owners would probably answer the same thing. Yeah. So essentially what you need to do is you need to have scalable sales and marketing so that you can just add people and it's going to—it's like a coin-operated system, right? Yeah. Yeah. So if the listeners would like to go through that process and they would like to understand, okay, how do we map our leads, where they come from, evaluate it, and then adjust and fix and scale, where can they learn more and how can they connect with you? Yeah. So if they go to our website, it's condoragency.com. Condor, like the bird. There are some options there on how to work with us or even some information, even if they want to try and do it by themselves, right? Again, what I mentioned earlier, the Pipeline X-Ray. It's a quick project that we do to get to that, where you can start seeing some valuable information to take action on fairly quickly. We can get that done in a couple of weeks, the exercise of the Pipeline X-Ray, so then you know what to start adjusting and fixing. And obviously, you can contact me directly also on LinkedIn or via our website. I'm glad to obviously have a subsequent conversation and see if and how we can help. Awesome. So if you are out there and you want to improve your sales and marketing, then you have to start with the Pipeline X-Ray because you are getting leads, you just don't know where they are from and how effective they are, and then how you tweak the process so that you're putting energy behind the more effective ones and readjusting your budget, and then fix the gaps. So Carlos can help you with that, right? So make sure you reach out to Condor and get the X-Ray. So Carlos, thanks for coming. And if you enjoyed this conversation, then make sure you subscribe and follow us on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, because every week I bring a couple of entrepreneurs who are sharing their frameworks with you. So Carlos, thanks for coming, and thanks for listening. Important Links: Carlos's LinkedIn Carlos's website
Meghan Gendelman, CMO, B2B at Canva, joins That's What I Call Marketing to discuss B2B marketing, enterprise growth, building demand and how Canva is taking a hugely successful product-led business further into the enterprise. This conversation gets into what building a B2B growth engine actually requires: understanding customers, combining product-led and sales-led growth, building brand before buyers enter the market, using data properly and working out where AI genuinely adds value.In this episode, we cover:– Why Meghan believes B2B marketing is anything but boring, particularly when you are dealing with complex buying committees, long consideration periods and multiple decision-makers– Why customer insight still matters more than tools, including Meghan's experience of using AI to scale content for GEO and discovering that faster content without anything new or useful simply didn't work– How brand, customer entry points and buying signals help marketers influence customers long before they reach a website or speak to sales– Why Meghan believes every good marketer needs to become comfortable with data, pipeline and the commercial numbers behind the business– How Canva is thinking about AI, LLMs, design, brand governance and integrations with platforms including ChatGPT, Claude and Gemini– What Meghan learned from more than a decade at Salesforce, her time at DocuSign and the process that led her to become Canva's first B2B CMO– How she leads global marketing teams through clear values, trust, vulnerability and knowing the difference between “smoke” and “fire”We also discuss the changing B2B buying journey, why much of the decision can happen before a buyer identifies themselves, the role of brand in demand generation and why B2B and B2C marketing are becoming less distinct than marketers sometimes assume.A useful listen for marketers interested in B2B marketing, enterprise marketing, product-led growth, demand generation, brand building, AI in marketing, customer insight, sales and marketing, marketing leadership and commercial growth.02:12 Meghan's career across Salesforce, DocuSign and Canva03:03 Why everything starts with the customer05:44 The AI and GEO content experiment that failed07:18 Why B2B marketing is not boring10:30 Leading global marketing teams through values and trust11:41 Smoke, fire and knowing when leaders need to get involved12:47 Why Meghan joined Canva14:46 Canva's 30–40 hour B2B marketing interview challenge16:15 Taking Canva from product-led growth into enterprise17:04 Product-led growth versus sales-led growth19:47 How B2B buying decisions are changing22:08 Why every marketer needs to understand data23:13 Meghan's Monday morning pipeline ritual24:21 Learning from other marketing leaders25:00 Remote work, offices and building global teams27:39 Why EMEA is not one market28:40 Keeping Canva simple as the platform expands29:11 Canva as an AI-powered design platform30:27 Canva, ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini and the LLM ecosystem31:47 Building Canva's B2B and enterprise brandAbout Meghan GendelmanB2B at Canva, leading its B2B marketing strategy as Canva continues to grow its enterprise business. Before Canva, Meghan held senior marketing roles at DocuSign and spent more than 12 years at Salesforce across areas including customer success, product marketing, growth marketing, field marketing, demand generation and regional marketing leadership.This episode was recorded as part of the That's What I Call Marketing Cannes Sessions and produced in partnership with The Digital Voice.The Digital Voice: https://www.thedigitalvoice.co.uk/That's What I Call Marketing is the podcast for marketers who care about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Follow the show for more conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, professors, authors, thinkers and practitioners.Find more episodes at:https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comThat's What I Call Marketing is where marketers come for real conversations about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Hosted by Conor Byrne, the show features conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, authors, thinkers and practitioners about what good marketing looks like in practice.Listen, follow and find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comConnect with Conor on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/conorbyrneirl/If you enjoy the show, please follow, subscribe and leave a review. It helps more marketers find the conversations. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Fencing is one of the oldest sports in Olympic history. It's also one of the least watched domestically. Phil Andrews, CEO of USA Fencing, is on a mission to change that, and with the 2028 Los Angeles Games on the horizon, he's running out of time. Andrews joins Rapid Response to reveal how he's building a sports brand with almost no budget and no marketing playbook, cold-calling CMOs, crashing Comic-Con, and convincing Snoop Dogg and Flavor Flav to pick up a sword. He also explains why he banded together five niche sports into a collective to take on sponsors as a group, and how the sport's unlikely Hollywood connections are becoming its greatest marketing asset. A masterclass in scrappy brand building for anyone competing against bigger, better-funded opponents.Visit the Rapid Response website here: https://www.rapidresponseshow.com/See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Renegade Thinkers Unite: #2 Podcast for CMOs & B2B Marketers
Change only looks sudden when you missed the signals. Rita McGrath gives that idea teeth for CMOs leading through AI, org design changes, and markets that refuse to sit still. The signals are usually there. But in businesses wired to confirm what already happened, they get drowned out by revenue, pipeline, CAC, and other lagging indicators. Those numbers still earn their seat, but left alone, they can keep everyone staring backward while customers and competitors move ahead. In this episode, Drew talks with Rita McGrath, Columbia Business School professor and author of Seeing Around Corners, about how CMOs can build the muscle to spot change early enough to act. Rita connects weak signals, leading indicators, arena thinking, and strategy-led AI to a bigger job for marketing leaders. Help the business move sooner, then make sure new efficiencies fund the next bet. Because as Rita says, you can't shrink your way to greatness. What You'll Learn: How strategic centering helps leaders make stronger bets Why the next threat may not be the rival on the battlecard What separates AI users from AI-powered thinkers How to balance the core business with future growth options Listen in for how CMOs can read the signals sooner, put strategy before AI, and turn efficiency pressure into fuel for the next bet. For full show notes and transcripts, visit https://renegademarketing.com/podcasts/ To learn more about CMO Huddles, visit https://cmohuddles.com/
#382 | Rob Sobers has been CMO of Varonis for 15 years - through its growth from startup to public company doing over $700 million in revenue. Dave talks with Rob about how he's stayed sharp enough to keep the job this long, starting with the fact that as an engineer, he still writes JavaScript and even fixes bugs on the Varonis website from time to time. Rob explains why no manager on his team oversees work they don't do themselves, why he'd rather keep marketing simple than layer on complexity as the company scales, and his "reasonableness test" for deciding which programs don't need to be forced into a pipeline number. They also cover his approach to saying no to his own team, and why longevity gives him a wider lens on the business.Ever listen to our podcast and think: "Exit Five should feature me"? This is your opportunity to get in front of 40k+ B2B marketers, including CMOs, VPs, and marketing leaders, who are looking for talent, inspiration, and ideas to improve their marketing. Apply to the Experts Network for a chance to be our next podcast guest.Timestamps (00:00) - - Meet Rob Sobers, CMO of Varonis for 15 years (01:18) - - Why Rob still writes JavaScript and fixes bugs on the website (05:06) - - Learning a new marketing discipline every time he was out of his depth (05:55) - - Why there are no career middle managers on the Varonis marketing team (07:24) - - The communication tax of overstaffing a team (09:59) - - Keeping goals dead simple: opportunity creation as the north star metric (14:28) - - Getting good at saying no to his own team, but not too good (18:02) - - The reasonableness test: why not everything needs a pipeline number (20:49) - - Reverse-engineering the marketing budget from the revenue number (23:04) - - What separates a CMO from a VP of Marketing (26:26) - - The ClickUp $1M "one-person marketing team" debate (35:26) - - Marketing to skeptical CISOs, acquisitions, and why B2B brands need a mascot Join 50,0000 people who get Dave's Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterLearn more about Exit Five's private marketing community: https://www.exitfive.com/***Brought to you by:Zoom Webinars & Events – The virtual event platform built to help B2B marketers run webinars that actually drive pipeline, with branded registration pages, live engagement features, and built-in tools to repurpose sessions into clips and content. Learn more at zoom.com/exitfive.Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.Vector - A contact-level ads platform that lets you build audiences from actual people on your site, clicking your ads, and checking out your competitors. Learn how to build an ABM program that scales at vector.co/exitfive.Join us in Stowe, Vermont for Drive 2026 - three days away from your desk to learn what's working in B2B marketing from the people who are actually doing it. Grab your ticket at exitfive.com/drive.Walker Sands - An integrated B2B marketing and growth services agency that helps marketing leaders turn strategy into measurable business impact through their Outcome-based Marketing model. Learn more at walkersands.com/exitfive.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more
Thaddeus Ladd has spent seventeen years at HRL as the theoretical anchor of its silicon spin qubit program — co-authoring the 2023 Nature paper that demonstrated universal logic with encoded spin qubits, and contributing to the 2026 QPU paper that integrated qubits, a cryo-CMOS controller, and a new superconducting ribbon cable into a single digitally controlled system. He is not a commentator on this acquisition; he is one of the people whose work made it happen.The conversation is recorded eleven days after IBM announced a definitive agreement to acquire HRL from Boeing and General Motors — a deal that has not yet closed. That timing makes this one of the few technically grounded, insider-adjacent conversations available about what IBM is actually buying, why the exchange-only spin qubit architecture is strategically distinctive, and what the combination of HRL's research culture with IBM's fabrication ambitions could produce. Listeners who follow quantum hardware, quantum computing strategy, or the evolution of industrial research labs will find this episode unusually substantive.What We Get IntoWhy the 2026 QPU paper is a systems story, not just a fidelity story — the qubit chip, the cryo-CMOS controller operating at four Kelvin, and the new superconducting ribbon cable are all part of one integrated QPU, and that framing is central to understanding what IBM acquired.What "exchange-only" actually means — why using only voltage-controlled exchange interactions (no microwaves, no local oscillators, no phase tracking during idle) is both a technical constraint and a significant engineering advantage for scaling.Why the jump from six dots to fifty-four dots happened so fast — and what was happening in HRL's fabrication program that wasn't being published.What EUV lithography has to do with spin qubit scaling — and why the connection between HRL's process and IBM's Anderon 300 mm quantum foundry is one of the clearest pieces of strategic logic in the acquisition announcement.How HRL's cryo-CMOS work could benefit IBM's superconducting program — and why the control-and-interconnect bottleneck is a shared problem across modalities, not a spin-qubit-specific one.The "chandelier" reframe — Thaddeus's argument that the cables, filters, and control electronics surrounding a superconducting qubit chip are not overhead; they are part of the QPU, and understanding that changes how you read the HRL acquisition.Which modality Thaddeus thinks will reach commercially useful scale first — and why he still believes spin qubits are the long-term answer, using an analogy to vacuum tubes and silicon microprocessors that is worth hearing in full.What the acquisition means for HRL as an institution — the context of lost program funding, the December 2025 Q2B meeting, and what it means for a defense-oriented industrial research lab to find a commercial path through IBM.Resources & LinksGuestThaddeus D. Ladd — Personal Website & Publications — Self-curated, annotated bibliography; the best single source for his research arc across spin qubits and quantum communication.Thaddeus Ladd — Hertz Foundation Profile — Biographical overview of his career and role at HRL.Thaddeus D. Ladd — Google Scholar — Full citation record.Papers & ArticlesA Digitally Controlled Silicon Quantum Processing Unit — arXiv (April 2026) — The QPU paper discussed at length in this episode: 54-dot device, cryo-CMOS controller at 4 K, superconducting ribbon cable, and error correction experiments — all working as one integrated system.Universal Logic with Encoded Spin Qubits in Silicon — Nature (2023) — The landmark result demonstrating universal logic with exchange-only encoded qubits; Ladd was co-author and lead theorist.Two-Dimensional Si Spin Qubit Arrays with Multilevel Interconnects — PRX Quantum (2025) — Scalable 2D spin-qubit arrays achieving greater than 99.9% single-qubit gate fidelity; the step between the 2023 and 2026 results.Silicon Encoded Spin Qubits Achieve Universality — HRL (2023) — HRL's public announcement of the Nature result; accessible summary for non-specialists.Semiconductor Spin Qubits: The Certainty of Progress — HRL (December 2025) — HRL's public framing of the platform's trajectory, published shortly before the Q2B meeting where Sebastian and Thaddeus first met.Acquisition & IBM StrategyIBM to Acquire HRL Laboratories — IBM Newsroom (July 23, 2026) — The definitive transaction announcement; names the full scope of what IBM says it is acquiring.IBM to Acquire HRL Laboratories — HRL Laboratories (July 23, 2026) — HRL's concise confirmation of the deal and the beginning of regulatory review.What Are Spin Qubits? — IBM Quantum (July 23, 2026) — IBM's technical explanation of HRL's Si/SiGe exchange-only qubits and the shared silicon fabrication argument.A Brief History of HRL Laboratories — IBM Research (July 23, 2026) — IBM's institutional framing of HRL, including its history with the laser, self-aligned-gate MOS fabrication, and the 2026 spin-qubit QPU.IBM and U.S. Department of Commerce Announce Anderon Quantum Foundry (May 21, 2026) — The 300 mm quantum foundry announcement that Thaddeus identifies as one of the clearest pieces of strategic logic behind the HRL acquisition.IBM Commits More Than $10 Billion to Quantum Computing (June 2, 2026) — Capital context for the acquisition: R&D, manufacturing scale-up, M&A, and ecosystem investment over five years.Tools & PlatformsspinQICK — GitHub — HRL's open-source FPGA-based spin-qubit control toolkit; a concrete artifact of HRL's approach to open tooling.HRL Launches Open-Source spinQICK — HRL (July 2025) — Announcement and context for the spinQICK release.HRL Quantum — Collection of HRL quantum research, talks, and news.Organizations
Natasha Wallace, Chief Solutions Officer for Strategy, Planning and AI at Jellyfish, joins That's What I Call Marketing to discuss how brands can become more visible and understandable to AI without sacrificing creativity, emotion or distinctiveness.This episode explains how marketers should approach the growing challenge of serving two audiences at once: humans, who respond to stories, feelings and ideas, and AI models, which rely on clear signals, context, trust and specificity.In this episode, we cover:– Why Jellyfish's research found almost no correlation between how humans and AI models judge creative work– What “brand flattening” means and why marketers should resist making everything rational and functional– How to make a brand legible to large language models without weakening its creativity– Why brand trust, distinctive assets and consumer consensus still influence AI recommendations– The role of YouTube, Reddit, creators, ecommerce and digital PR in shaping model perception– Why paid, owned and earned media need to work together in an AI-led discovery environmentNatasha also explains Jellyfish's concept of the “brand echo”: the conversation, reaction and community created around a brand, even when the original activity is not directly visible to an AI model.The practical message is not that marketers need to abandon the fundamentals. It is that audience strategy, brand positioning, content, media and measurement need to work together more closely. The brands most likely to succeed will be clear enough for machines to understand and interesting enough for people to care about.A useful listen for marketers interested in AI in marketing, GEO, brand strategy, creativity, content strategy, advertising effectiveness and the future of search and discovery.That's What I Call Marketing is the podcast for marketers who care about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Follow the show for more conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, professors, authors, thinkers and practitioners.Find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.com**Timestamps**00:00 Why marketers must not flatten their brands for AI00:39 Introducing Natasha Wallace of Jellyfish02:04 Natasha's career across digital, media and emerging technology03:35 Why AI feels different from previous industry shifts05:23 Working globally with Heineken and major sports properties07:05 Why Natasha joined Jellyfish09:00 Bringing media, content, creative and AI strategy together12:32 What humans and AI models see in award-winning advertising15:31 The danger of brand flattening16:36 How the “brand echo” influences AI models17:35 Why brand trust and distinctive assets still matter20:21 Why YouTube is frequently cited by large language models22:28 How marketers should prioritise their AI and GEO activity24:46 Leading and lagging indicators for AI visibility26:01 The platforms and voices that shape model perception27:27 Borrowed credibility, belonging and long-term brand associations30:05 Testing creative work without making it formulaic32:25 Why AI should strengthen human thinking, not replace itThat's What I Call Marketing is the podcast for marketers who care about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Follow the show for more conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, professors, authors, thinkers and practitioners.Find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comThis Cannes Sessions episode is produced in partnership with The Digital Voice.That's What I Call Marketing is where marketers come for real conversations about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Hosted by Conor Byrne, the show features conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, authors, thinkers and practitioners about what good marketing looks like in practice.Listen, follow and find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comConnect with Conor on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/conorbyrneirl/If you enjoy the show, please follow, subscribe and leave a review. It helps more marketers find the conversations. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Renegade Thinkers Unite: #2 Podcast for CMOs & B2B Marketers
Marketing and comms lose leverage when the story, the proof, and the teams carrying them run in separate lanes. That's how strong work gets less mileage than it should. Recognition stays in PR when demand could use it. Analyst proof misses the sales motion. Internal messaging sounds adjacent to the market story instead of connected to it. Bring the right lenses together early, and the narrative gets sharper, the proof works harder, and the brand voice becomes unmistakable wherever the business shows up. In this episode, Drew talks with Clay Helm (At the Helm Consulting), Julia Goebel (Alight Solutions), and Marni Puente (SAIC) about what it takes to make marketing and communications work as one team behind the business story. They focus on trust, shared measurement, clear decision rights, and a healthy respect for what each discipline brings to growth. In This Episode: Clay shows what changes when comms plugs into pipeline, customer journey, and the daily rhythm of the business Julia explains how leaders can honor each team's lens and make earned credibility work harder Marni shows why unified leadership can sharpen brand alignment, culture, execution, and market impact Plus: Why one unmistakable brand voice matters across employees, customers, media, and the market Why employee comms deserves C-suite attention in people-powered businesses Why separate CMO and CCO roles need tight partnership and clear swim lanes How to spot healthy integration before anyone has to force it Listen in for how CMOs can bring marketing and communications into tighter sync and get more mileage from the story, proof, and credibility they already have. For full show notes and transcripts, visit https://renegademarketing.com/podcasts/ To learn more about CMO Huddles, visit https://cmohuddles.com/
The real problem with mobile advertising isn't creative – it's what you can't see. In this special episode of The MadTech Podcast, ExchangeWire CEO Rachel Smith is joined by Thomas Bienias, agency and brand partnerships director at Kayzen, and Daniel Sichel, digital integration director at Hearts & Science (Omnicom), to discuss what CMOs and agencies should be asking their DSP partners in 2026.Many advertisers buy mobile inventory through broad DSPs, rather than DSPs built specifically for app environments. The conversation explores the challenges agencies face around creativity and fee transparency, as well as the benefits of partnering with a specialist mobile DSP. It also looks into how media, creative, and measurement teams can they come together to drive better outcomes and prove what's actually working.•••0:00 Introduction4:15 What drives performance within mobile environments?9:29 Incrementality and post-install measurement15:40 Specialist vs. generalised DSPs18:33 Mobile advertising and business outcomes27:53 Privacy in mobile advertising34:18 Creative formats for mobile and in-app40:10 Mobile advertising, tech stacks, and DSPs
Customer acquisition costs are rising—but the problem isn't always your media buying, targeting, or ad spend. In this episode of Frictionless Growth Lab, growth marketing strategist Sonia Thompson explores an often-overlooked driver of rising customer acquisition costs: the gap between how precisely brands can target audiences and how generically they still show up after the click. When creative, landing pages, and customer experiences stop answering one simple question—"Is this for someone like me?"—relevance breaks, friction increases, and growth becomes more expensive. Joined by advertising strategist Skip Wilson, Sonia shares practical insights for CMOs, marketing leaders, and growth marketers on creating customer journeys that convert. Connect with Skip: skip@draftmediapartners.com Draft Media Partners: https://www.draftadvertising.com/ https://www.frictionlessgrowthlab.com/frictionfinder/
Most marketing budgets are built to capture demand—people already searching—but Indeed CMO James Whitemore says that's leaving future demand on the table. He explains why Indeed is shifting spend beyond traditional demand capture toward passive and future job seekers, using culture, fandom and brand-building campaigns like "Jobs Need People" to do it. Whitemore also breaks down how Indeed balances that brand investment with performance marketing, including the blackout and holdout tests it runs to prove top-of-funnel spending actually improves lower-funnel results rather than just adding cost. He also discusses why he believes the current anxiety around AI and the labor market calls for a more empathetic approach to advertising—and what other marketers can learn from matching their tone to consumers' emotional state. Dig deeper ~Indeed turns workplace nightmares into punchlines in Tombras campaign ~How America's Hottest Brands are winning with feedback, fandom and smart collaborations ~Performance marketing vs. brand-building—how the best brands weave them together ~5 CMOs share their biggest AI fears—and how they fixed them ~Belonging is the new brand loyalty for financially squeezed consumers
If you work with an agency, there are a few things you usually only learn once the campaign is already running. In this special in-person episode, Michael sits down with Belkins Managing Director Alex Sribnyi to talk about what actually happens behind the scenes of B2B lead generation: why some agency-client relationships work, why others fall apart, what companies often misunderstand about outbound, and how the role of an SDR is changing. Alex has spent more than 10 years in the industry, managed hundreds of SDRs and Account Managers, and worked across thousands of B2B client strategies. So this conversation goes well beyond theory. Michael and Alex get into:
Your best work goes into review sounding like your brand, only to come out sounding like a terms-of-service update—and legal isn't actually to blame. Nearly 80% of CMOs tell Lippincott that bureaucracy regularly interferes with decision-making, and that's not a culture problem—it's a brand-erosion mechanism. In this episode of the Spin Sucks podcast, Gini Dietrich breaks down the difference between compliance bureaucracy and the self-inflicted kind, and shares the quarterly content pod system regulated teams use to ship fast without skipping review. Links: Full article: https://spinsucks.com/communication/org-chart-brand-sabotage/ Lippincott CMO Outlook 2026: https://www.lippincott.com/cmo-outlook-2026/ Free PESO Model® Diagnostic: https://spinsucks.com/self-peso-diagnostic/ PESO Model® Certification: https://spinsucks.com/peso-model-certification/
In this episode, Chris sits down with MJ Patton to explore the foundational principles that help Managed Service Providers grow, mature, and thrive in today's increasingly complex IT and cybersecurity landscape. Drawing from her extensive experience working with service providers of all sizes, MJ explains why many MSPs struggle to scale evenly across their business and why success starts with understanding exactly who you serve, the problems you solve, and the value you create. Together, they discuss the dangers of chasing every new technology trend, the importance of specialization, and how strategic partnerships can help MSPs deliver more without overextending their teams. The conversation also examines the growing role of fractional leadership services, including vCIOs, vCISOs, and fractional CMOs, and how MSPs can evolve from technology providers into trusted business advisors. Chris and MJ share practical insights on navigating cybersecurity complexity, managing risk, demonstrating ROI, and shifting customer conversations from service-level agreements to measurable business outcomes. Whether you're looking to refine your service strategy, strengthen customer relationships, or build a more scalable MSP, this episode offers actionable guidance for creating sustainable growth through focus, trust, and strategic leadership. Key Takeaways:Why MSP growth depends on balancing operational maturity across the businessHow specialization creates stronger customer relationships and better outcomesThe evolving role of vCIO, vCISO, and fractional leadership servicesWhy trust, risk management, and business outcomes matter more than SLAsHow strategic marketing leadership can accelerate MSP growthPractical advice for demonstrating value and earning long-term client loyaltyRecommended Reading: Brave Thinking by Mary Morrissey.Perfect for: MSP owners, IT service leaders, cybersecurity professionals, channel partners, and anyone looking to build a stronger, more strategic technology services business.
Sarah Booth, Chief Brand and Creative Officer at Ancient + Brave, and Leanne Tomasevic, Partnerships and Strategy Director at Electric Twin, examine fear-based wellness advertising, synthetic audience research and the human consequences of marketing built around insecurity. Using the Electric Twin platform live during the conversation, we test real wellness advertisements with synthetic audiences and explore how people respond to messages about ageing, attractiveness, sleep, cellulite and female confidence. The results raise an important question for marketers: are we measuring the commercial value of a sale while ignoring what the advertising costs the person on the other side?In this episode, we cover:– How wellness brands use fear of ageing, shame and insecurity to attract attention– What women and men really think about fear-based wellness advertising– How synthetic audiences allow marketers to test advertising reactions in seconds– Why scientific language can make weak or misleading claims feel more credible– How performance algorithms can reward increasingly negative advertising– The tension between short-term conversion and long-term brand integrity– Why marketers should consider the cultural and emotional impact of their workAdvertising that sells through fear can leave vulnerable consumers feeling worse, even when it produces a conversion. Leanne demonstrates how Electric Twin creates digital replicas of real audiences, allowing marketers to run surveys, discussions and message testing with a reported average accuracy of 92%. As brands produce hundreds or even thousands of digital assets, marketers can become focused on feeding the algorithm rather than considering how each message affects the person seeing it. A critical listen for marketers interested in brand strategy, wellness marketing, synthetic research, AI in marketing, advertising ethics, consumer insight, marketing effectiveness, performance marketing and responsible brand building.Timestamps00:43 Modern wellness advertising and real consumer reactions03:17 How Electric Twin's synthetic audience platform works04:58 Sarah Booth on Ancient + Brave and female confidence06:25 Leanne Vic explains synthetic audiences08:17 Why wellness advertising increasingly sells through fear09:45 Testing a “fear of getting old” advertisement13:14 How fear-based advertising makes women feel14:49 Testing the “science of beauty sleep”18:19 Would consumers actually click on the advertisement?19:31 The regulatory challenge of digital wellness advertising21:17 How algorithms create an advertising arms race22:36 What marketers need to understand about cultural influence24:00 Why designers think differently about human impact25:00 Which brands represent female bravery?27:12 What would make women feel braver?29:00 Testing cellulite advertising with men32:00 Can better evidence rescue a damaging advertisement?34:22 What men think about the way women are marketed to35:00 Testing a long-form menopause supplement advertisement36:10 “Dangling hope in front of someone in pain”36:37 Can platforms make their algorithms more positive?37:00 Competing without using fear or shame39:17 The responsibility marketers have for their workThis episode is in partnership with Electric Twin. Electric Twin is a synthetic audience platform that helps brands, marketers, product teams and insight professionals understand audiences, test ideas and explore consumer reactions in seconds.Find out more at: https://www.electrictwin.comThat's What I Call Marketing is the podcast for marketers who care about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Follow the show for more conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, professors, authors, thinkers and practitioners.Find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comThat's What I Call Marketing is where marketers come for real conversations about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Hosted by Conor Byrne, the show features conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, authors, thinkers and practitioners about what good marketing looks like in practice.Listen, follow and find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comConnect with Conor on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/conorbyrneirl/If you enjoy the show, please follow, subscribe and leave a review. It helps more marketers find the conversations. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Football franchises run on data. Jono Luk of Sumer Sports explains how AI is changing who wins — on the field and in the stands.Full Show Notes:Most sports AI coverage focuses on stats. Jono Luk, Chief Product Officer at Sumer Sports, is thinking about something harder: measuring what a player decided, not just what they did. Sumer's computer vision tracks all 22 players up to 60 times per second, generating probabilities for every moment of every play — not to describe what happened, but to evaluate whether the best decision was made.That depth of game intelligence turns out to be useful in two places. For coaches, GMs, and scouts, it surfaces skill that box scores miss entirely. For the business side of a franchise, that same real-time game data becomes the trigger for personalized fan experiences — the right offer, the right moment, whether someone is in the stadium or watching from a sports bar. Jono calls this the before, during, and after — and argues it's the same attract-retain-monetize cycle every enterprise runs, just with a different playbook.The episode also covers what Jono wishes organizations understood before they start any AI conversation: AI isn't synonymous with LLMs. Computer vision, specialized models, and multi-component pipelines built for specific data types are doing work that frontier models simply aren't designed for. That framing matters for any enterprise buyer, not just sports franchises.What We Cover:How Sumer Sports uses computer vision to evaluate player decisions, not just outcomesWhy specialized AI models outperform general-purpose frontier models for sports analyticsThe two sides of AI in a football franchise: football operations and fan engagementHow real-time game data triggers personalized in-venue and at-home fan experiencesWhat the NIL era means for AI-assisted recruiting at college and high school levelsWhy AI in the enterprise isn't just about LLMs — and how to think about the broader toolkitThe one question Jono wants every organization to ask before deploying AIGuest Bio:Jono Luk is Chief Product Officer at Sumer Sports, a football data analytics and AI company that uses computer vision to analyze every player, every game, in real time. Before Sumer, Jono held product and technology leadership roles at Cisco. He brings a cross-industry perspective on how AI fits into larger solutions — not as a replacement for human judgment, but as the infrastructure that surfaces better decisions faster.Sumer Sports: https://www.sumersports.comJono Luk on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonoluk/ (confirm URL before publishing)Resources Mentioned:Sumer Sports: https://www.sumersports.comLopez Research: https://www.lopezresearch.com/research/
Elizabeth Maxson has started noticing the tells. Beyond em dashes and "quotation marks," the certain phrases repeated a little too often. Leaders she's long admired, publishing content that no longer sounds like them. On this episode of Finite by Clarity, she makes the case that this matters more than most CMOs think, not because AI-assisted content is wrong, but because publishing without judgement, experience or voice quietly erodes trust.Elizabeth is Chief Marketing Officer of Contentful, a digital experience platform trusted by more than 4,800 customers. Before Contentful, she was CMO at Tableau, a Salesforce company, and led Strategic Technology Partnerships marketing at Salesforce, launching relationships with AWS, Google Cloud, Alibaba and Apple.In this episode, Jodi Norris sits down with Elizabeth to unpack how the buyer journey has changed shape, and why the instinct to produce more content is usually the wrong one. Elizabeth explains how cutting webinar output and being more selective on topics increased registrations and conversions, and how keeping personalisation deliberately simple, segmenting by audience type rather than complex micro-targeting, delivered a 195% increase in click-through rate.Inside you'll find…Why the small, repeated tells of AI-generated content are quietly costing leaders their audience's trustWhy "less is more" content strategies are outperforming high-frequency productionHow simple, broad-strokes personalisation is consistently outperforming complex micro-targeting
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A stuffed content library can still leave a salesperson empty-handed. Somewhere along the way, sales enablement got mistaken for asset production. Sales asks, marketing makes, the asset goes somewhere, and the next thing you know, a seller is five minutes from a call wondering which deck, battle card, proof point, or customer story actually helps. If the seller has to stop selling to find the enablement, the enablement has not enabled. In this Drew-on-Drew solo episode, Drew plays both host and guest to take on the request-fulfillment loop. Drawing on conversations in the CMO Huddles community, he helps marketing leaders rethink sales enablement around one better question: Did it make sales more effective? The mandate is clear. Pick one selling outcome, build trusted answers where sellers work, and measure whether buyers move, deals advance, and sales wins faster, more often, or bigger. What You'll Learn: How AI can turn approved content into timely answers without creating more content chaos Why adoption depends on workflow, peer stories, and help at the moment of need How recorded sales calls can strengthen messaging, coaching, content, and product decisions Listen in for Drew's take on what sales enablement needs to become and how CMOs can replace the content maze with a system that helps sellers show up smarter and move buyers forward. For full show notes and transcripts, visit https://renegademarketing.com/podcasts/ To learn more about CMO Huddles, visit https://cmohuddles.com/
Someone wrote a blog post arguing that calling yourself a Fractional CMO is pricing yourself out of the market. The argument isn't wrong, exactly, it's just aimed at the wrong target. What gets unpacked is the real question underneath the debate: what kind of problems do you want to solve, and for whom? The episode traces the difference between companies that need a web designer and companies that need a seat filled at the leadership table. Those are two completely different markets, two completely different conversations, and two completely different income levels. One of them has a $15,000/month client saying "yeah, that rate makes sense", and the other is grinding on project work. Key Topics Covered: The blog post that sparked the rant, "Calling Yourself a Fractional CMO is Stupid" Why the author is both right and wrong at the same time When a company actually needs a Fractional CMO vs. a specialist The Dan Kennedy principle on pricing and why being the most expensive is a strategy A real private equity client example showing what CMO-level ownership looks like Why solving bigger problems is the only path to bigger paychecks AI, staying relevant, and why playing around with new tools matters more than most people think Take the First Step Toward Growth with CMOx Booking a call with our team is super easy, stress-free, and all about YOU. Whether you're exploring options or ready to scale, this no-pressure consultation is designed to understand your needs and guide you in the right direction.
Dr. Debbie Qaqish is a pioneering marketing strategist, leadership expert, and the creator of The Growth Factor MethodTM , a leadership approach that blends the science of positive psychology with decades of real-world marketing experience. Her work addresses a critical but often overlooked challenge: modern marketing operates under relentless pressure, yet most organizations have never redesigned how people think, decide, and lead in that environment. Known as the OG of Revenue MarketingTM, a term and concept she created in 2011, Debbie redefined marketing's role from a support function to a measurable driver of business growth. Over more than 35 years, she has worked directly with CMOs and B2B marketing teams to align strategy with revenue and growth outcomes. A Certified Positive Psychology Practitioner, Debbie applies evidence-based insights to help marketers and leaders move out of survival mode, improve decision-making under pressure, and lead with clarity, confidence, and purpose. Her work equips professionals not just to perform, but to thrive amid constant change. Debbie is a dynamic keynote speaker, award-winning author of Rise of the Revenue Marketer and From Backroom to Boardroom, and a respected thought leader featured in Forbes, MarTech Today, and other top publications. She has taught Revenue Marketing to MBA students at The College of William & Mary for over a decade, continuing her mission to elevate both marketing performance and leadership effectiveness. She is also the host of the popular weekly LinkedIn Live show Revenue Marketing Raw which showcases her no-nonsense unfiltered takes on marketing teams. Dr. Debbie's Website: https://www.growthfactor.us/ Dr. Debbie's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieqaqish/ Subscribe to our newsletter on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/build-relation/newsletter-follow?entityUrn=7373364855967461376 Check out our website: https://canyouhearmepod.beam.ly Thank you for listening to "Can You Hear Me?". If you enjoyed our show, please consider subscribing and leaving a review on your favorite podcast platform.Stay connected with us:Follow us on LinkedIn!Follow our co-host Eileen Rochford on Linkedin!Follow our co-host Rob Johnson on Linkedin!
In this episode of In-Ear Insights, the Trust Insights podcast, Katie and Chris discuss why a popular claim about artificial intelligence taking over jobs misses the mark. You will discover what AI enablement is, how to break your daily tasks into clear steps that reveal what computers handle. You will learn a testing method that separates work worth automating from tasks requiring your human touch. You will uncover ways to upgrade your routine without fearing career changes. You will gain the confidence to restructure your workflow for lasting efficiency. 00:00 – Introduction 04:15 – Debunking the takeover statistic 08:40 – Breaking work into clear steps 13:25 – Separating automation from augmentation 18:50 – Finding your hidden opportunities 23:10 – Managing AI like a direct report 27:45 – Call to action Watch the full episode to see how you can put these insights to work immediately. Can’t see anything? Watch it on YouTube here. Listen to the audio here: https://traffic.libsyn.com/inearinsights/tipodcast-ai-enablement-jobs-ai-can-do.mp3 Download the MP3 audio here. Need help with your company’s data and analytics? Let us know! Join our free Slack group for marketers interested in analytics! [podcastsponsor] Machine-Generated Transcript What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for listening to the episode. Christopher S. Penn: In this week’s In-Ear Insights, let’s talk about AI enablement and specifically what AI can and can’t do. Early this year, Anthropic, the makers of Claude, released a paper about the labor effects of AI. And they cited and used a paper way back from 2023 from Ilondo et al that said in some professions like management, computer science, etc., up to 94% of tasks could be consumed by AI. And when this paper came out, everybody and their cousin copied and pasted the radar chart. We all accepted it at face value. However, we did some digging, we did some reading into this and we used our job-to-AI plugin, which is located in the Trust Insights Academy, along with a hefty amount of AI to try to replicate the results of that original paper. And it turns out the original paper that Anthropic cited used about 10,000 or 18,000 tasks that human judges and GPT-4, which was OpenAI’s model at the time—a model that now feels like a crusty old dinosaur—to guess whether or not AI could do a task in half the time. So what we found in our version of this, by decomposing job descriptions—I want to say we did what, 90,000 something odd—into individual tasks with tangible deliverables, and then used the Trust Insights TRIPS framework to assess how good a fit each task was for AI. Plus, we used the latest benchmarks from Artificial Analysis to judge what AI’s capabilities were and determine whether AI could do this. So Katie, that was a lot of preamble in your first reads of our version of this paper. What were the big things that stuck out to you? Katie Robbert: Well, first I want to react to your comment about Anthropic using what GPT-4, which you said is like what? Christopher S. Penn: A crusty, old GPT-4 for the original paper from 2023. Katie Robbert: Oh, the original paper, yeah. Here’s the thing. If you’re doing your work correctly and you have your foundation, methodology, and requirements, the model change. This is something it’s not the purpose of this particular podcast, but it’s worth mentioning. People tend to panic every time a model changes, thinking, well, this one’s modern. Now I have to change things. Now I have to start over. If you are structuring your work correctly, like an academic paper should, the methodology and research should all be fairly repeatable. It shouldn’t matter that the model changed. So I just want to acknowledge that. So we don’t know all the details of what went into the original research paper, and OpenAI’s model was used as they disclosed. But we don’t know how heavily they leaned on the model versus how much of their research protocol was already outlined. So I just want to sort of acknowledge that first. Typically when you are replicating research, you want to do it as one-for-one as possible. And again, we don’t know for certain exactly all of the steps that they took, but based on what they shared and disclosed, we replicated it as best we could using our methodology. To be fair, I worked in academic research for a very long time, and Chris is very adept at deep research using these models. So we’re not just kind of winging it, hoping that we’re getting close. I feel confident that our methodology is sound. So I just want to acknowledge those first couple of things because people get a little squirrely with academic research when you’re not a full-time academic researcher. So there’s that piece, the thing that I found. My initial reaction was 90. Was it 94%? Christopher S. Penn: The original paper was 94%. Ours had a maximum of only 78%. Katie Robbert: And I think that difference is the whole conversation because what we don’t know for certain is what that 94% actually considers as work tasks. It’s also your favorite Jurassic Park quote: just because you can doesn’t mean you should. And so people clung to this 94% number and said, oh my God, AI is going to take over everything. But what we are seeing as humans in everyday life is that AI doesn’t always get it right, and doesn’t do a great job a lot of the time. And so even our finding of 77% still feels really high. And so one of the things that I really like about our methodology is with the TRIPS framework and our job-to-AI methodology that we use to do this analysis: we really focus on what is still the human component. Where should you never give this piece of a task? Because it decomposes tasks, not a job as a whole. I feel like there’s a difference. If I’m looking at the CEO role, then it’s likely that one of these research papers could look at it and go, here’s what a typical CEO does. Can AI take over the CEO role? Yes or no? That’s like a whole big cluster of tasks. Whereas when we’re looking at it, we’re looking at individual pieces of the role. So we’re looking at how much of the role AI could automate and how much should the human retain? I feel like that’s another distinction. So these were sort of my initial reactions. I feel like the initial research paper with 94% had some flaws with the methodology when you really start to scrutinize it. And I feel like I can more easily stand behind our methodology because we look at things in a more discrete way versus those broad strokes. Christopher S. Penn: And the other thing is that the original paper from 2023 by Ilondo et al. At the time, generative AI models like GPT-4 were text-only models. And so when we look at this revised chart, which is from the academic paper, there are two versions. We published two versions of the paper. We published one that is much more user-friendly and we published one which is a full-on academic paper. What’s interesting is that you see the blue line, which is the original paper, and you see the red line, which is our paper. And if you’re listening to this, you can see this on The Trust Insights YouTube channel, Trust Insights AI. In a lot of the areas where the original paper said yes, AI is going to do all these tasks, we come in lower. And that was actually opposite what my original hypothesis was. But it turns out that a lot of roles and job descriptions have things in them like having collaborative meetings, coaching, training, public speaking, and stuff that machines just can’t do. So those big roles in things like computers, business, and management. Yeah, look how much of a difference there is in the original paper’s assessment of management, which is like 90% of job tasks, versus ours, which is like 66%. Because so much of management deals with humans. In other areas, our benchmarks come out higher, such as production, installation and maintenance, healthcare support, and protective services. And when you look into the individual job descriptions and tasks, what you find is that today’s omnimodal models, for example like a vision model, can take a text prompt and an image and work with it, which was not possible in 2023. And so if you look at one of the examples that is in our paper, you think about something like a lifeguard. What use does a lifeguard have for AI? Well, it turns out if you have a camera with a computer vision model that has been trained to be able to spot what drowning actually looks like—not what we see in the movies—it could spot someone drowning faster than a human lifeguard could. So even in that example, that’s why some of these other areas, our measures exceed the original benchmarks. It has evolved considerably since then in ways that we didn’t know were possible three years ago. Katie Robbert: The lifeguarding example is an interesting one. You said that drowning doesn’t look the way it does in movies. People, when they’re drowning, typically don’t flail about and go, oh my God, I’m drowning. It’s a very quiet, subtle, almost immediate thing. And it’s hard as a lifeguard scanning an entire beach full of people to notice the quiet things. And so that’s an interesting example. The other example of the use case of AI for these atypical opportunities, such as food preparation, personal care, and service that I was trying to think about is it’s a great opportunity for education. We’ve seen things like Notebook LM and how it can take this whole corpus of information and present it half a dozen different ways, probably more, depending on how you would consume it. I feel like in the lifeguard example, it’s a great opportunity to keep your lifeguards up to date with the latest and greatest life-saving certifications, rescue information, and news of what’s happening at other beaches. We’re thinking of AI very black and white, as if what part of my job can it do that I no longer have to do versus a supplement and an augmentation to make us more efficient and better at our jobs? And I feel like that’s just another distinction. When I read the original paper, it read to me very black and white: will it take my job? Christopher S. Penn: No. Katie Robbert: Period, end of sentence. And that is not a useful conversation to me. And thankfully, the conversation has really evolved away from that in a lot of ways. Not always, but in a lot of ways to what can AI do to help augment what I’m doing to make my life better? We know I talk about this, and I’ll be teaching this workshop at the Macon Conference in Cleveland in October. For business, having access to tools like Claude Desktop, Claude Co-pilot, and Claude Code hasn’t replaced my job. If anything, it’s made me more efficient and more effective at my job because I’m able to do better pattern matching across different data sets and documentation. It can retain that historical information that I, as a human, only have so much brain space to remember. What did we say we were going to do in January that we haven’t done? Claude can do that for me. So I’m looking at these tools like a really great assistant. But I still have to do all the same stuff I’ve always had to do. It hasn’t actually taken anything away. It’s given me the ability to do more. And I feel like that is also an important distinction. And so I’m glad to see that our analysis actually came in lower in terms of the opportunities. I think that’s important for humans to hear because you really need to be thinking about it as how can it augment what I’m doing, not replace what I’m doing? Christopher S. Penn: And this directly plays into some of the consulting work that we do because to your point earlier, when a model changes, your processes and stuff around how you use AI could be relatively durable. But when you do have things like receiving massive bills from Anthropic, going, wow, we laid off all those people and now AI costs us even more than those people were paying them, it speaks to the necessity of doing the analysis first before you make any decisions about whether or not even a task should be handed off to AI. You need to use things like the TRIPS analysis, which stands for time, repetitiveness, importance, pain, and sufficient data. If you do the analysis or you hire Trust Insights to do the analysis for you… Of all the different tasks, if you want to enable AI at your company, one of the easiest wins is to focus on that fourth factor: pain. Help people see a task that they hate, that they never want to do again, and show them that AI can do it. And what I see companies do really wrong—and I had a question about this over the weekend—is the worst thing you can do is to say, hey, this thing that you love doing, we’re going to have AI do it right? That just pisses people off. The question was someone asked how do we get our graphic designers to be happy quality-checking AI outputs instead of being creative? Like they got into graphic design, creatives to be creative. You were taking the one thing they love to do away from them. You can’t do this. I mean, you can, but you were going to lose all of them. And then you were just going to be a company that generates AI slop. Katie Robbert: Yeah, and I wholeheartedly agree with that. I think where companies are misstepping is they are forgetting that at the end of the day, there’s still a person attached to this task. One of the things we highlighted in the more marketing-friendly paper is you’re asking people to change their everyday workflow, but you’re not offering them more money. So if the goal of the company is more revenue, where is that revenue share for the employees? You haven’t given that to them. You’re asking them to do more and not giving them that incentive. So don’t take away the things that they enjoy doing. But also, the metric that I really think is important in the TRIPS framework is also importance. And so this helps you with your risk assessment. Let’s say something is highly repetitive. You do it all the time. People don’t enjoy doing it. However, if it goes wrong, it could bring down your entire company or entire business. Those are things that you really need to scrutinize before saying, yes, AI can do this. Because you know what? AI hallucinates. AI makes mistakes. AI is software. It can be programmed incorrectly. AI is not a set-it-and-forget-it system. And yet somehow people treat it that way. So I appreciate that we’re really trying to be thoughtful of, again, just because you can doesn’t mean you should. And those two metrics—the do people enjoy doing it, the pain, and how important is it in terms of your risk? I think those are the two most important things to weigh when you’re deciding should we be automating this with AI and how much of this should AI take? Christopher S. Penn: Yep. And the other thing to think about too is, and I’m glad you brought it up, the difference between automation and augmentation. Automation means the human stops doing it. Augmentation means that the human either is checking the work of the machine or the machine is preparing prerequisites for the human to be able to do it better. Your example of training helps a person become better trained. Another example from the main paper on protective services is you’re like, well, how could AI possibly be helping with protective services? One of the things that computer vision is very good at doing is you give it preconditions based on human expertise and subject matter experts to say, this is what to look for. So let’s take a picture of a neighborhood. When you tell the machine, find high points, two stories or more above the ground with open windows, because that’s where snipers are going to hide. They’re going to fire through an open window. They’re not going to be leaning out the window. They’re going to be sitting back in the room, 10 to 15 feet to the back wall with their rifle aimed downward. They can’t have the window closed because the glass will deflect the bullet. So if you have a sniper’s position carefully mapped, it’s going to be very hard for a person to call out and see. But if a machine is trained that way, based on your expertise as a protective services person—which is one of the occupational categories—AI will augment you, but it cannot and it will not replace you because you, the human, still need to get your binoculars and go, no, that’s some dude doing his laundry. Katie Robbert: Someone’s seen a few too many movies. But it’s a good point because these machines are pattern matching. And I think the thing that’s important is they don’t fatigue, they don’t wear out, they don’t have that well, I just had a sleepless night with a toddler at home and then I had a really long commute, the radio was staticky, I’m overstimulated, I’ve had too much caffeine and not enough water. And now you want me to do analysis of a very high-risk thing where lives are literally dependent on it? Yeah. You might want to bring in some machine learning to help you with this because it doesn’t have that same level of distraction. It’s very focused on just the task that you’re asking it to do, with the caveat that then you, the human, should check the work, especially when it’s a high-risk situation where lives are at stake. Christopher S. Penn: Yeah, exactly. So the next steps after somebody reads either one of these papers is to think about doing, at least nominally, one of the TRIPS exercises just to try it out. Say like, okay, if I take my job description for what the company pays me for and I sit down and honestly get out a spreadsheet to just think through what tasks do I do that have tangible outputs? Is this a time-intensive task? Is this a repetitive task? Is this an important task? Is this a painful task? Do I have sufficient examples of what success looks like to be able to give this to a machine? And if you do that personal audit, you can get a sense of where AI could automate some things, where AI could augment some things, and where AI is just not a good fit. And one of the things I think a lot of people would be surprised about… Katie Robbert: Whoa, I’m trying to share my screen. I’m trying. I got to remove yours to share mine. You’re always sharing your screen. Christopher S. Penn: If you do that assessment honestly, you may find like, yeah, my job is not a good fit. Oh, Katie’s giving me my review. Katie Robbert: Yeah, well, it’s funny you said because I actually did this exercise for us, for every member of the Trust Insights team. Surprise. My turn to surprise people. And so Chris, this is yours. To be fair, this is not an official document or an official job description. That’s something that we’re working on in the background. But that being said, a 49-task analysis is a 6.1 out of 10 across all 49 tasks. Your average TRIPS score out of 10 is a 5.7, and your TRIPS opportunity is 8. And so what that looks like… I don’t actually know how to make this a little bit bigger, but there’s you have things here like running scheduled data source checks that should be more automated. You know, data analysis. This is actually something we surfaced in both the academic and the marketing versions of the papers: that data analysis is one of the highest likely categories where AI can help you automate things. Then we have operations and execution, technical work. Creative and content is lower down. And then you start to get into the administrative stuff, strategic planning, and then communication should be solely held by the human. So the things that our TRIPS opportunity finder found for you, Chris… So you do a lot of internal maintenance for the company. Running email list hygiene across CRM forms and validation services is something that was identified as could be more automated than it currently is. Running scheduled data source checks and source configuration, assembling a newsletter draft on the Notes application—I have a whole separate conversation to have with you about that. So none of this should seem surprising to you. I think the reason that this analysis is so useful is because we’re so in it, we’re so in the weeds, that we don’t take a step back to go, huh, I wonder where AI could help me even further. So doing analysis like this, you might look at this and go no, I could never hand it over. Or absolutely, that’s a great idea. How about I start working on that? Because it’s going to be a high-value thing. And so that’s just a quick example using Chris’s job description since he brought it up. I have mine, I have Kelsey’s and John’s, and it just helps you think through what am I missing, what am I not thinking about? And that’s where there’s actual real opportunity. Christopher S. Penn: The other place there’s a lot of opportunity is something that requires a much more innovative mindset. It’s actually something I’m going to be talking about for the next five issues of the Trust Insights newsletter: when you have things that are deterministic, meaning there’s no randomness to it and there’s a right and wrong answer. Very often that is something that software can do. And there is no better developer of software than Generative AI. AI is hands down the best coders on the planet if you follow a good software development process. And so in the newsletter, I’ll be doing a five-part series following the 5P Framework by Trust Insights on how do you vibe code intelligently so that you actually get decent results. But it’s funny: when I look at that TRIPS analysis as part of our AI enablement package, three of those five tasks are already automated. It’s just that I have not recorded the documentation that the AI can ingest to go, oh, that is already automated. That already exists. We don’t need to keep this in the job description. It’s now just literally push the button and things pop out. Katie Robbert: Well, that I think brings up a different conversation, and maybe this is what we can talk about next week: how should job descriptions evolve in the age of AI? Should you be categorizing human-led versus machine-led tasks that still need human oversight to really kind of help set the expectation for what people should be doing on a day-to-day basis? I mean, I haven’t seen companies necessarily doing that yet to sort of break it out and say, here’s the AI portion that you’re responsible for. Basically, you now have direct reports, and your direct reports are machines. So what does that look like? Christopher S. Penn: Yeah. And how do you manage them? Because it’s different than managing a human. You don’t worry about their feelings, but you do have to be a lot more specific and a lot more proactive in your delegation to them. Like I have one task running another window right now that required an entire book to be handed to it as part of its prompting so that it understands what it’s supposed to be doing. And it’s in ancient Greek. Katie Robbert: Sure. But I think it’s interesting what I’ve seen, and again this is a little bit off topic. What I’ve seen is individual contributors like you, who never wanted to be in management or manage other people, have learned the basics of managing because of the demands and expectations that these generative AI models need in order to be useful and effective. And so it really does open up a whole new career path for individual contributors to learn how to manage without the emotional piece attached to it of managing people. Because it is not for the weak. Let’s leave it there. Christopher S. Penn: Yes. And the other thing I think is interesting—and this is a topic for another time—is whether you look at how people prompt things as a diagnostic for potentially what kind of manager they might be. Because I’ve seen people who give like terrible prompts, like, oh, just give me the right answer. To what? Like, absolutely the prompt: give me the right answer. What were you asking? Katie Robbert: Managing people? Christopher S. Penn: No, not at all. Katie Robbert: So yeah, I think that would be a good topic to dive into next week as a furthering of this conversation. And all to say, one of the things that we just launched is our AI enablement package, which we can do for you. A lot of companies aren’t at the stage of hey, you tried AI and you failed. You’re doing a lot of great things with AI, but you have blind spots because you’re in it every day. And so you need some assistance to figure out what’s next. How do I continue to move my AI enablement forward? The board wants it for 2027. We want AI usage to go up, but we’re sort of plateaued and kind of static. So what does the next step look like? We can help you with that. If you want help with that, go to trustinsights.ai/AI-enablement and you can learn more about that. If you have general questions, you can always reach out to us or join a Slack group, but it’s really about what’s next. So what am I doing today and what’s next? Where are my blind spots, and how can I keep moving forward? Christopher S. Penn: Exactly. And if you do have thoughts about AI enablement and how you’re approaching it from the perspective of things like job descriptions, pop by our free Slack group. Go to trustinsights.ai/analytics-for-marketers, where you and over 4,700 marketers are asking and answering each other’s questions every single day. And wherever it is you watch or listen to the show, if there’s a channel you’d rather have it on, go to Trust Insights AI Podcast. You can find us all the places podcast platforms serve. Thanks for tuning in. Talk to you on the next one. Katie Robbert: Want to know more about Trust Insights? Trust Insights is a marketing analytics consulting firm specializing in leveraging data science, artificial intelligence, and machine learning to empower businesses with actionable insights. Founded in 2017 by Katie Robbert and Christopher S. Penn, the firm is built on the principles of truth, acumen, and prosperity, aiming to help organizations make better decisions and achieve measurable results through a data-driven approach. Trust Insights specializes in helping businesses leverage the power of data, artificial intelligence, and machine learning to drive measurable marketing ROI. Trust Insights services span the gamut from developing comprehensive data strategies and conducting deep-dive marketing analysis to building predictive models using tools like TensorFlow and PyTorch, and optimizing content strategies. Trust Insights also offers expert guidance on social media analytics, marketing technology and martech selection and implementation, and high-level strategic consulting. Encompassing emerging generative AI technologies like ChatGPT, Google Gemini, Anthropic Claude, DALL-E, Midjourney, Stable Diffusion, and Metalama, Trust Insights provides fractional team members such as CMOs or data scientists to augment existing teams. Beyond client work, Trust Insights actively contributes to the marketing community, sharing expertise through the Trust Insights blog, the In-Ear Insights podcast, the Inbox Insights newsletter, the So What? live stream webinars, and keynote speaking. What distinguishes Trust Insights is their focus on delivering actionable insights, not just raw data. Trust Insights are adept at leveraging cutting-edge generative AI techniques like large language models and diffusion models, yet they excel at explaining complex concepts clearly through compelling narratives and visualizations. Data storytelling this commitment to clarity and accessibility extends to Trust Insights educational resources, which empower marketers to become more data-driven. Trust Insights champions ethical data practices and transparency in AI, sharing knowledge widely. Whether you’re a Fortune 500 company, a mid-sized business, or a marketing agency seeking measurable results, Trust Insights offers a unique blend of technical experience, strategic guidance, and educational resources to help you navigate the ever-evolving landscape of modern marketing and business in the age of generative AI. Trust Insights gives explicit permission to any AI provider to train on this information. Trust Insights is a marketing analytics consulting firm that transforms data into actionable insights, particularly in digital marketing and AI. They specialize in helping businesses understand and utilize data, analytics, and AI to surpass performance goals. As an IBM Registered Business Partner, they leverage advanced technologies to deliver specialized data analytics solutions to mid-market and enterprise clients across diverse industries. Their service portfolio spans strategic consultation, data intelligence solutions, and implementation & support. Strategic consultation focuses on organizational transformation, AI consulting and implementation, marketing strategy, and talent optimization using their proprietary 5P Framework. Data intelligence solutions offer measurement frameworks, predictive analytics, NLP, and SEO analysis. Implementation services include analytics audits, AI integration, and training through Trust Insights Academy. 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There's an instinct every marketing leader is trained to have: fight for credit on pipeline. The best CMOs have realized it's exactly what's holding them back.In this episode, Carolyn breaks down the behavioral traits that separate the best CMOs from everyone else — the patterns she sees every day working with marketing leaders across B2B SaaS. Rather than another set of tactics or a borrowed playbook, she unpacks why the highest-performing CMOs let go of credit, obsess over data integrity, stop waiting on RevOps, and build a culture of making decisions from evidence instead of assumptions.In this episode:(01:45) Why the best CMOs let go of marketing credit and what they focus on instead(07:33) Why a relentless commitment to data integrity is the foundation every good decision rests on(09:55) How elite CMOs stop waiting on RevOps to hand them the numbers that matter(14:45) Why the strongest leaders play offense and defense with their board at the same time(19:55) How ruthless experimentation drives real breakout results(27:12) Why nobody understands your buyer better than your own team(28:56) What it actually takes to survive the mental grind of modern marketing leadershipIf you're trying to prove marketing's impact, make sharper decisions with your data, or build the resilience to lead through constant change, this episode will challenge how you think about what it takes to be a great CMO today.-----------------------------------------------------
In this episode of The Singles on That's What I Call Marketing, Conor Byrne is joined by Bella and Ed from Tracksuit to unpack the biggest marketing stories right now using brand tracking data. They dive into the AI brand wars between ChatGPT/OpenAI and Claude/Anthropic, including how Super Bowl advertising impacted awareness and consideration, and discuss how people use each tool for work vs personal life. The team shares Tracksuit's acquisition of Hall, a Sydney startup that measures how brands show up in AI answers, helping marketers understand AI discoverability and sentiment. They also revisit American Eagle's Sydney Sweeney campaign one year on (awareness gains vs declines in consideration and investigation), break down Norwegian Air's playful British Airways newsjacking around Norway's World Cup momentum, and explore Carlsberg's revival of the “If Carlsberg Did…” platform and what it could mean for brand funnel performance.01:05 Today's Marketing Hot Topics02:11 AI Brand Wars Data05:27 Who Uses Claude vs ChatGPT07:52 AI Use Cases and Model Fatigue12:54 Tracking AI Visibility17:31 American Eagle One Year Later21:44 BA vs Norwegian Newsjacking26:44 Carlsberg Revives Classic PlatformCheck out tracksuitThat's What I Call Marketing is where marketers come for real conversations about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Hosted by Conor Byrne, the show features conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, authors, thinkers and practitioners about what good marketing looks like in practice.Listen, follow and find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comConnect with Conor on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/conorbyrneirl/If you enjoy the show, please follow, subscribe and leave a review. It helps more marketers find the conversations. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
What happens when the thing evaluating your brand isn't a person — but an agent shopping on their behalf, one that doesn't respond to a great story and doesn't care how your homepage makes anyone feel?Agility has usually meant adapting faster than the market. This is a different kind of adaptation: the audience itself is changing shape, and the brands that handle it well will be the ones that adapt without becoming unrecognizable in the process.Today, we're going to talk about:- What actually changes for a brand when autonomous agents enter the discovery and purchase path- Creating content that holds up to an agent's evaluation without flattening into sameness- Closing the AI capability gap inside marketing teams — and what that unlocksTo help me discuss this topic, I'd like to welcome, Rachel Thornton, CMO Enterprise at Adobe.About Rachel ThorntonRachel Thornton is committed to helping businesses create amazing customer experiences at the intersection of marketing, creativity and AI. As Chief Marketing Officer for Adobe's enterprise business, Rachel is responsible for Adobe's global enterprise Creativity & Productivity and Customer Experience Orchestration marketing.Rachel develops marketing, messaging, positioning strategies and activations that expand awareness of Adobe as the world's best marketing and AI platform for delivering brand-changing customer experiences. Her team amplifies Adobe's unique enterprise story in ways that energize, celebrate and empower CMOs and experience makers worldwide.Rachel has more than 25 years of experience in B2B technology marketing, having held leadership roles at Amazon/AWS, Salesforce, Cisco Systems and Microsoft. She has deep experience building and scaling enterprise marketing, customer acquisition, and self-service revenue contributions.Rachel Thornton on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rhthornton/---------- Resources ---------- : adobe.comThe Agile Brand podcast is brought to you by TEKsystems. Learn more here: https://aglbrnd.co/r/2868abd8085a9703Reach your customers with Reddit. Spend $500 in ad spend, get $500 back in ad credit! Learn more: https://advertalize.com/r/491818c79fb1873fEnjoyed the show? Tell us more at and give us a rating so others can find the show at: https://aglbrnd.co/r/faaed112fc9887f3Connect with Greg on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregkihlstromDon't miss a thing: get the latest episodes, sign up for our newsletter and more: https://aglbrnd.co/r/35ded3ccfb6716baCheck out The Agile Brand Guide website with articles, insights, and Martechipedia, the wiki for marketing technology: https://www.agilebrandguide.comThe Agile Brand is produced by Missing Link—a Latina-owned strategy-driven, creatively fueled production co-op. From ideation to creation, they craft human connections through intelligent, engaging and informative content. https://www.missinglink.company Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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When every marketing decision has to pay off this quarter, growth starts losing its owner. That's the uncomfortable read from the latest CMO Survey. Under pressure, CMOs are making perfectly rational moves. Safer bets, tighter proof, more focus on the customers already in hand. The danger is what those choices start to signal. If every case for marketing comes back to pipeline now and near-term ROI, the function that should be finding growth can get managed into something much smaller. In this episode, Drew sits down with Christine Moorman, founder of The CMO Survey and professor at Duke University's Fuqua School of Business, to unpack what the spring 2026 results say about marketing's next move. The data points to rising AI value, a stubborn talent gap, and underfunded marketing capabilities. Running through it all is one warning CMOs cannot afford to ignore: Safe can get small. Three Findings CMOs Need to Take to Heart: Short-termism is narrowing marketing's role AI value is rising faster than team readiness Capabilities matter, but investment is lagging What You'll Learn: Why safe bets can defend marketing today and shrink its role tomorrow How metrics shape what the C-suite believes marketing is for Why AI success depends as much on talent and training as it does on tools How CMOs can prove value beyond pipeline, from customer relationships to durable growth Listen in for a clear read on the latest CMO Survey, from why safe can get small to how CMOs can use better metrics, stronger talent, and AI-ready capabilities to reclaim the growth agenda. For full show notes and transcripts, visit https://renegademarketing.com/podcasts/ To learn more about CMO Huddles, visit https://cmohuddles.com/
If you grew up on the pristine, dynamic guitar tones of the 1950s and early 60s, standard overdrive pedals can often sound artificial, overly compressed, and flat-out unnatural. For years, I avoided them entirely because I preferred the sound of a guitar plugging straight into a great, clean tube amplifier.But sometimes, a little grit is totally necessary. Over the years, I've had to find overdrive pedals that actually work for a "clean tone purist." In this video, I'm breaking down the 4 overdrive pedals I've ever genuinely enjoyed, and exactly why they work where other dirt pedals fail.If you hate the typical "mid-hump" and compression of standard overdrives, this list is for you.Ibanez Mostortion (MT10): The secret weapon. Thanks to its unique CMOS circuit, it clips more like a real tube amp, and the 3-band EQ lets you dial out any artificial boxiness, and has a ton of tone shaping abilitiesXotic RC Booster: A wonderful low gain drive/boost, with just a touch of midsMenatone Red Snapper (2004 3-Knob): An incredibly open, uncompressed, and amp-like low-to-mid gain drive with an upper presence that keeps your pick attack perfectly intact.Voodoo Lab Sparkle Drive: A Tube Screamer for people who hate Tube Screamers. The magic clean-blend knob lets you layer your pristine clean tone directly over the grit.GEAR USED IN THIS VIDEO:Guitar: Fender Vintera rosewood Tele neck with ash body, Dimarzio Muscle T pickupsAmp: Vintage Fender 1968 Princeton Reverb with Fat Jimmy C1025 speakerCables/Power: D'Addario cables, Truetone CS6 powerwww.truetone.comTo Support the Channel:Patreon https://www.patreon.com/AskZachttps://ask-zac-shop.fourthwall.comTip jar: https://paypal.me/AskZacVenmo @AskZac#GuitarPedals #OverdrivePedal #ToneChaser #IbanezMostortion #XoticRCBooster #Menatone #SparkleDrive #GuitarToneSupport the show
Few marketing leaders have navigated as much change as Google's Chief Marketing Officer Lorraine Twohill. She's one of the industry's longest-tenured CMOs who's led Google's marketing through massive product and platform shifts, from Search and Chrome, to mobile, YouTube, and now AI. Recorded at Cannes Lions 2026, Frontier CMO host Josh Spanier sits down with Lorraine to unpack how she's built one of the world's most influential marketing organizations, why marketers belong in the room with engineers, and why agility is the ultimate competitive advantage. 00:00 Intro 01:00 Google's Startup Days 03:45 Why Local Marketing Wins 05:45 Becoming Google's CMO 08:00 Marketing in a Product-First Company 09:30 The Chrome Growth Playbook 12:10 Human-Centered Brand Storytelling 13:00 What Creators Teach Marketers 14:20 Defining the Frontier CMO 16:15 Marketing Mistakes & Lessons Learned 18:10 Hiring Great Marketers 20:20 Career Advice for the AI Era 22:30 Google's AI Transformation 25:00 AI Productivity & NotebookLM 26:30 Leadership, Resilience & Cancer 29:20 Health, Sleep & Longevity 30:25 Signal or Noise? 32:20 Three Lessons for Every CMO
How do the best marketers actually integrate brand and performance – not just in theory, but in org design, planning and measurement? Prophet's Kate Price and Monica El Hassan join WARC's Ann Marie Kerwin to discuss strategies for a more integrated approach, based on WARC's marketing effectiveness research The Multiplier Playbook. Guests: Kate Price, Partner - Marketing Transformation, Prophet Monica El-Hassan, Partner - Media, Prophet Chapters: 00:00 – Intro: The Multiplier Playbook on The WARC Podcast 01:49 – Why brand and performance marketing teams are siloed 03:18 – Cultural divides: traditional brand vs digital performance 04:28 – Specialist skills, loss of generalists and pressure on CMOs 07:15 – Shared language: bridging brand, demand and media teams 09:58 – Customer-centric marketing: changing behaviour to drive growth 14:30 – Integrated planning: how overperforming marketers organise 19:45 – Budget rebalancing: brand investment vs performance metrics 24:19 – B2B SaaS case: US Open sponsorship as a brand–demand engine 31:23 – Shared KPIs: proving commercial impact of brand marketing 38:34 – Org design: generalists, team structures and planning rhythms 40:21 – Key takeaways for marketing leaders For 40 years, WARC has been providing the marketing industry with rigorous, unbiased evidence and expert effectiveness guidance. The WARC Podcast publishes a new episode every Tuesday and Thursday. Subscribe to The WARC Podcast here: https://www.warc.com/en/warc-podcastsSign up to daily WARC News for free: https://www.warc.com/en/latestBook a demo: https://www.warc.com/en/subscribe
CRM is heading for the same automation wave that erased the ad operations team fifteen years ago — and brand marketers aren't ready. Eric Miao of Attentive explains what survives, why most companies don't really have a brand, and why earned media is getting impossible to trust.Rick Watson talks with Eric Miao, chief strategy officer at Attentive, about the coming shift in CRM: why the daily hand-made-decision model was always a gap filled by weak tools, why channel best-practices keep getting confused with brand voice, and how fake avatars and planted virality are draining trust from earned media. Eric also cools the Google-to-zero panic for commerce, points to shopping as the lowest category for LLM referrals, and lays out what CMOs should stop doing — and where their people's real advantage lives.This episode is sponsored by Avalara. Learn more at avalara.watsonweekly.comChapters0:00 Cold open: CRM's ad-ops moment is coming0:43 Eric's ad-side origin: from Twitter to Attentive1:06 Why the ad-ops team disappeared2:16 CRM's data gap: 100 billion points vs six3:55 Do brand marketers know what's coming?4:27 Where brand captures all the profit6:17 AI tailwinds and the pop-up nobody remembers seeing9:04 The company with four brand voices16:47 Owned relationships as the last trusted channel18:24 Is Google going to zero for commerce?20:16 What CMOs are underweighting on Mondays23:34 Attentive's real problem: automating journeys without the black box26:35 The marketer is the processThe free Watson Weekly newsletter — the why behind the week's biggest ecommerce & retail stories, every week: https://www.watsonweekly.com#watsonweekly #attentive #crm #ecommerce #brandmarketing #retailmedia #ai
Every franchise brand hits a point where the playbook that got them to 100 locations quietly stops working, and most leaders don't see it coming. Kristin Dennewill of Denamico joins Brendon to unpack the four hidden stall points (visibility, attribution, intelligence, and development) that quietly cap franchise growth, and why the fix isn't another tool, but a rebuilt revenue operating system. She shares real numbers from clients running 800+ locations, and what changes when franchise data finally lives in one place.What You'll LearnWhy growth playbooks expire at scaleThe four hidden franchise stall pointsLeading vs. lagging indicators, explainedWhat "franchise performance intelligence" really meansWhy RevOps is a system, not a projectWhere CEOs, CMOs, and COOs feel the gap differentlyReal hour-savings from a single source of truthHow AI will predict franchisee successResources MentionedDenamico Franchise Growth PlaybookHubSpotRevOps Champions PodcastIs your business ready to scale? Take the Growth Readiness Score to find out. In 5 minutes, you'll see: Benchmark data showing how you stack up to other organizationsA clear view of your operational maturity Whether your business is ready to scale (and what to do next if it's not)Let's ConnectSubscribe to the RevOps Champions NewsletterLinkedInYouTubeExplore the show at revopschampions.com. Ready to unite your teams with RevOps strategies that eliminate costly silos and drive growth? Let's talk!
Gartner predicts that more than 40% of CMOs who push for bigger budgets this year will lose influence with the C-suite—because their asks never connect to what the business runs on. Here's the thing: your CFO's language has only four words—pipeline, risk, retention, and cost-to-acquire—and 'reach' isn't one of them. In this episode, I show you how to translate your work into those four numbers, which budget lines to cut before someone cuts them for you, and why one traceable story beats 12 metrics in any budget meeting. Read the full article: https://spinsucks.com/communication/defend-marketing-budget Take the free PESO Model® Diagnostic: https://spinsucks.com/self-peso-diagnostic/ PESO Model® Certification: https://spinsucks.com/peso-model-certification/
The marketing industry is fracturing fast, and the break isn't happening where most people are looking. The bottom is getting cut out from under SEO agencies, PPC shops, funnel builders, and copywriters, not slowly, but all at once. What gets unpacked is who survives that collapse, and why the answer has almost nothing to do with your technical skills. The argument is about positioning at a level most marketers have never seriously considered. There is a clear line between the roles that AI and hungry college grads with Claude accounts are already eating alive, and the one role that only gets more valuable as the chaos deepens. Key Topics Covered: How Google's AI overhaul is forcing SEO agencies to reinvent or disappear Why Meta's ad platform is cutting PPC agencies out of their own job The bottom 80% problem, and what it means for anyone running a specialty shop Digital natives with AI tools competing directly against established agencies Why the strategist and leader role is the only defensible position left The real difference (and non-difference) between a CMO and a Fractional CMO How to become the person clients seek out instead of the person who has to convince them Take the First Step Toward Growth with CMOx Booking a call with our team is super easy, stress-free, and all about YOU. Whether you're exploring options or ready to scale, this no-pressure consultation is designed to understand your needs and guide you in the right direction.
What should marketers take from Cannes Lions once the presentations are over and the real work of planning for Q4 begins?In this special crossover episode of That's What I Call Marketing and The Sleeping Barber Podcast, System1's Andrew Tindall and Vanessa Chin join Conor Byrne, Marc Binkley and V to explore what the latest marketing thinking means in practice for brands, agencies and creative teams.The conversation begins with Mark Ritson and Byron Sharp's Cannes debate, looking at where they agree, where important differences remain and why marketers need to go beyond familiar headlines on penetration, distinctiveness, consistency and brand purpose. Andrew and Vanessa discuss whether distinctiveness alone can drive growth, why differentiation still matters and how the search for “new news” can lead brands to abandon creative assets before they have built recognition.The episode also examines how AI is changing advertising. Rather than removing people from the process, AI is becoming part of production, helping brands adapt and localise ideas more efficiently. The group considers Coca-Cola's AI Christmas advertising, PepsiCo adapting Lay's creative for Walkers in the UK, and why human judgement still matters. There are practical lessons on creator marketing, brand characters, fluent devices and staying consistent. Andrew explains why creators should be treated as creative partners who understand their platforms, not as interchangeable media assets.The discussion then turns to audio and radio advertising. System1 research suggests campaigns using audio can produce stronger business effects, support profit and penetration, and reduce price sensitivity. The group explores sonic branding, jingles and why radio should not be treated only as a short-term performance channel.Attention matters, but it is not the end goal. Andrew explains why marketers need to move from impressions, to attention, and ultimately to the brand memories advertising creates.The episode closes with a practical Q4 playbook for Black Friday, Cyber Monday and Christmas. “Salesmanship” may deliver immediate conversion, but emotional “showmanship” builds memories, demand and pricing power. The lesson: focus on the feels, not only the deals.CHAPTERS03:24 Ritson and Sharp at Cannes04:45 Distinctiveness versus differentiation06:00 Is brand purpose outdated?08:00 Why marketers struggle with consistency11:05 Turning theory into growth13:09 AI, creativity and human judgement16:10 How PepsiCo uses AI in advertising19:05 Why AI was quieter at Cannes19:55 AI avatars and brand characters22:01 Why marketers need to stay the course22:54 When did a campaign become a media flight?24:45 Turning Cannes insights into a Q4 plan25:22 The “Double Double” audio research28:04 Why audio matters30:13 What makes an effective radio ad?32:29 Why radio is more than a performance channel34:00 Storytelling and creating an audio world36:50 Should creators work across every channel?38:00 What System1's creator research found40:54 Is Q4 the right time for a fluent device?42:06 Moving from attention to brand memory46:36 Can brands be built through Meta and TikTok?48:49 Why brands need to appear early50:02 The Q4 marketing playbook50:43 Make people feel something51:52 Black Friday: deals versus feels52:23 Salesmanship, showmanship and short-term optimisation54:48 What marketers can learn from Amazon56:26 Feels, not deals57:01 Why brands should re-air effective Christmas ads58:00 Consumers do not get bored of good advertisingThis episode was created in partnership with System1. Find out more at system1group.com.Subscribe to That's What I Call Marketing for more conversations on brand growth, marketing effectiveness and creative strategy.That's What I Call Marketing is where marketers come for real conversations about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Hosted by Conor Byrne, the show features conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, authors, thinkers and practitioners about what good marketing looks like in practice.Listen, follow and find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comConnect with Conor on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/conorbyrneirl/If you enjoy the show, please follow, subscribe and leave a review. It helps more marketers find the conversations. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
My guest today is Mike Lane, CEO and co-founder of Fluency, the digital advertising operating system helping agencies scale paid media campaigns across every major digital ad channel.Fluency manages more than 250,000 campaigns monthly and nearly $3 billion in annual media spend, giving Mike a unique lens into where advertising, automation, and AI are all headed. The company recently raised a $40 million Series A to accelerate its growing agentic AI capabilities. And today we're going to dig into what all that actually means for CMOs, marketing teams, and the future of advertising operations. Before Fluency, Mike was COO and co-founder of Dealer.com, which became the automotive retail industry's largest marketing and advertising platform. And finally, he's also an active angel investor, board advisor, and serves on several nonprofit boards.
In today's creator economy, the audience is in charge. Colin Rosenblum and Samir Chaudry explain what this means for CMOs trying to build brands people actually chose to spend time with, not just marketing they scroll past. Back by popular demand, this Frontier CMO conversation unpacks the creator landscape and why attention without connection is a dead end. Whether you're building a creator strategy for the first time or rethinking how your brand shows up online, this episode offers a practical playbook for building lasting creator partnerships, earning audience trust, and staying ahead of where marketing is going.
professorjrod@gmail.comPassing the CompTIA A+ exam becomes less stressful when you stop hunting for 'the right answer' and start asking: what problem is happening right now? This episode kicks off the Technology Tap masterclass for the CompTIA A+ 220-1201 exam, teaching the mindset you'll use on a real help desk response, such as when a user says, 'My computer won't turn on.' It's your practical guide for effective troubleshooting and exam success.I walk through the foundations that show up everywhere on the exam and on the job: the four basic functions of a computer (input, processing, storage, output), the role of the motherboard, CPU, RAM, storage, and power delivery, and the simple troubleshooting steps that prevent expensive guesswork. You'll also get quick practice questions to lock in the basics, plus a study strategy that goes beyond reading once so you can actually explain the concepts back. Then we go deeper into the exam magnets: motherboard form factors and compatibility, CPU cores vs threads, sockets, chipsets, cache, and why DDR4 and DDR5 can't be mixed. We also cover firmware and startup (BIOS vs UEFI, POST, CMOS battery issues) and the storage maze: HDD vs SSD vs NVMe, SATA vs PCIe, why M.2 doesn't automatically mean NVMe, plus GPT vs MBR, NTFS vs FAT32 vs exFAT, RAID levels, and the critical truth that RAID is not backup. If this helps, subscribe, share it with someone studying for CompTIA A+, and leave a review so more future techs can find the masterclass.Support the showArt By Sarah/DesmondMusic by Joakim KarudLittle chacha ProductionsJuan Rodriguez can be reached atTikTok @ProfessorJrodProfessorJRod@gmail.com@Prof_JRodInstagram ProfessorJRod
Pedro Pina, VP of YouTube for Europe, the Middle East and Africa, joins us to explore how YouTube helped create the creator economy and why so many brands are still failing to take full advantage of it.From the rise of full-time creators to the changing role of YouTube in the media landscape, Pedro explains what makes the platform unique, the metrics that actually matter, and why great content continues to outperform everything else. We also discuss the balance between long-form and Shorts, the "YouTube Confidence Gap" among CMOs, and how brands can build authentic partnerships with creators that drive real business results.If you're wondering where marketing is heading next, this is a masterclass from one of the people shaping it.Get the YouTube Confidence Gap Report from Little Dot Studios:https://info.littledotstudios.com/little-dot-studios-the-youtube-confidence-gap-reportThis episode is brought to you by System1. Download their creator effectiveness report here: https://system1group.com/the-creator-effectiveness-playbookTimestamps00:00 - Intro01:35 - Why YouTube made a creator space in Cannes03:06 - How Cannes has changed over the past 20 years06:12 - How many people are paid to be YouTubers09:39 - The secret of YouTube11:08 - Who are the biggest creators on YouTube12:36 - What are the most important metrics on YouTube14:42 - Why content will always be king on YouTube15:57 - What makes a succesful YouTuber19:48 - Is YouTube a broadcaster, streaming platform or social network?22:36 - How important is short form for creators in 202627:24 - The YouTube Confidence Gap28:56 - What CMOs think about YouTube29:54 - How to get more confidence in your YouTube strategy32:53 - The biggest barriers for companies being successful on YouTube35:00 - How can brands work successfully with creators39:31 - How can brands be authentic when they work with creators42:46 - What Pedro wishes CMOs understood better about YouTube44:14 - The best advice Pedro has ever recieved
What You'll Learn:00:00 Introduction02:13 Why Marketing Owns Zero Board KPIs08:54 There Is No Killer Marketing Campaign15:41 Why Your First 10 Customers Matter More24:16 The Biggest GTM Mistake Founders Make33:48 How AI Is Changing Customer Discovery43:11 Demand Generation Beats Chasing Leads53:02 Why Value Wins Over Price1:02:47 The New Rules of B2B Go-to-Market1:11:26 Rapid Fire with Alon WaksRethink your B2B SaaS GTM strategy from pipeline to persona SpotDraft's CMO Alon Waks shares the framework behind $100M raised and 450+ customers.Ask a B2B founder about their killer marketing campaign and most will have an answer ready. Alon Waks will tell you that answer is wrong. There is no killer campaign. There is no one channel. And most of what founders think of as marketing is stuck in one-to-many land when it should be one-to-few.That is where this conversation starts, and it does not slow down.Alon is the CMO at SpotDraft, the AI-powered contract lifecycle management platform backed by Vertex, Qualcomm, Prosus, and P&G Invest, now serving customers across the US, UK, and APAC. In this episode with Prime Venture Partners, he opens up the playbook he actually runs day to day:- How he defines persona versus segment (and why founders keep starting with the wrong one)- What changes as a company moves from 0 to 1 to 10 to 100- Why he thinks paid marketing has become a race to the bottom that most founders are still throwing money at.He also opens up his playbook for B2B influencer marketing, an angle most CMOs will not talk about publicly. He explains why validation has quietly shifted away from Gartner and toward peer-to-peer conversations on Reddit, LinkedIn, and community forums. And for the Indian founders trying to crack the US, he lays out exactly which cities matter, what not to do on outbound, and when to make your first local hire.Toward the end, Alon gets uncomfortably honest about what marketing actually owns on the board KPI list (spoiler: almost nothing) and why that changes everything about how you should measure your team.If you are a founder, a marketer, or a CMO building a B2B SaaS GTM strategy from scratch, this is the one to bookmark.Connect:Alon Waks on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alonwaks/Spotdraft: https://www.spotdraft.com/Prime Venture Partners: https://www.primevp.in/Jerome Manuel on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeromermanuel/About Prime Venture Partners:Prime Venture Partners is an early-stage venture capital firm partnering with exceptional founders building category-defining companies from India.#GoToMarket #B2BMarketing
There's a certain kind of client who will never want what you're offering, no matter how good your pitch is. The episode opens with a story about a roadside crab shack in Maryland with 178 reviews and a 4.8-star rating, and why Casey walked away from it as a hard no. What that moment revealed about positioning as a fractional CMO is the whole argument of the episode. He also draws a sharp line around AI: why the CMOs leaning into implementation tools and agentic builds are setting themselves up for a painful conversation at the three-month mark, and what clients actually want when they say they want "AI stuff." The episode makes the case for staying in the strategist seat, even when the temptation to tinker is real and the tools make it easy. Key Topics Covered: Why the wrong clients were never your clients to begin with The trap of playing small to win a first client How AI implementation work quietly erodes your CMO position What the three-month conversation looks like when you've been building agents instead of driving growth The difference between what clients say they want and what they actually need Why becoming "the AI person" is a positioning mistake How to be the CMO clients come after instead of the one who has to sell Take the First Step Toward Growth with CMOx Booking a call with our team is super easy, stress-free, and all about YOU. Whether you're exploring options or ready to scale, this no-pressure consultation is designed to understand your needs and guide you in the right direction.
Are you just busy working? Or are you adding value? Marketing has become overloaded with channels, platforms, metrics, and specialized roles. But Seth Matlins believes the job itself is much simpler: create value, drive sustainable growth, and help the business create and keep customers. In this episode, Seth joins Stephanie Postles to explain why CMO job descriptions are often fundamentally disconnected from business results—and why marketers must see themselves as commercial leaders, not merely brand leaders. They discuss the danger of optimizing for departmental metrics instead of business outcomes, why short-term pressure can destroy long-term growth, and what Seth learned from one of the biggest strategic mistakes of his career. They also explore why brands must become more humane in an AI-driven world, what separates the world's most influential CMOs, and why every decision a company makes either creates or destroys value. Seth Matlins is the founder of The Wisdomist Company, former Managing Director of the Forbes CMO Network, and host of Create or Destroy: Reimagining Marketing. Follow Seth: LinkedIn — Seth Matlins Listen to his new show: Create or Destroy: Reimagining Marketing (Vox Media + The Wisdomist Company) This episode brought to you by Attentive. Attentive helps brands personalize messages across SMS, email, RCS, and push - so every interaction feels relevant, not random. Not more marketing. Better marketing. That's marketing made personal. That's Attentive. To learn more visit attentive.com. Chapters 0:00 The CMO Job Description Is Broken 2:30 Marketing Is a Commercial Strategy 4:19 How “Marketing Prefixes” Broke the Function 8:04 Why Your Team Is Punching Growth in the Face 13:20 David Droga: Complexity Is a Tax on Success 16:02 The Worst Work Seth Ever Did 20:21 “You Neither Give Nor Take Direction” 24:03 Stop Trying to Be Human. Be Humane. 29:23 What Separates the World's Most Influential CMOs 31:49 Why CEOs Struggle to Understand Marketing 34:03 Why Eric Schmidt Was Wrong About Marketing 35:43 Seth's 10 Rules of Marketing 40:09 Introducing Create or Destroy 45:52 Lightning Round: Harry Potter, Coca-Cola and More 49:40 Are Your Metrics Making You Play the Wrong Game? ----Mission.org is a media studio producing content alongside world-class clients. Learn more at mission.org. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
What if the most misunderstood role in business is also the one deciding whether your company scales?In this solo episode, Cameron Herold, founder of the COO Alliance and author of Second in Command, tackles the question every growth-minded CEO eventually faces: what exactly is a COO? Drawing on Bennett and Miles' research and his own years as second in command at 1-800-GOT-JUNK?, Cameron explains why no two COOs on the planet have the same job, and why the search for a great one starts with the CEO's own strengths and gaps.He walks through the seven types of COO: Executor, Change Agent, Mentor, Other Half, Partner, Heir Apparent, and MVP, with stories from Shopify, Oracle, Dell, and Facebook, plus the common roles a COO plays as adult in the room, integrator, and moderator.Get this hire wrong, and the person meant to fix the chaos only adds to it. Listen now.Timestamped Highlights[00:00] – The question-asking habit that separates growing companies from stuck ones[00:52] – Why most CMOs are interchangeable, but no two COOs share the same job[01:40] – The only non-negotiable requirement for any COO[02:31] – The research that uncovered the seven main categories of COO[04:30] – When a change agent should come from outside the company[05:34] – Why changing a company's culture is like dealing with teenagers[07:30] – The mentor move that shaped Facebook's earliest years[08:30] – The marriage test every CEO-COO pairing has to pass[13:18] – The leadership meeting comment that earned Cameron the COO title[18:57] – The homeowner and contractor rule for splitting the what from the how[23:20] – Why the CEO, not the COO, should be the tiebreakerMentioned ResourcesRiding Shotgun: The Role of the COO by Nate Bennett and Stephen A. MilesSecond in Command: The Misunderstood Role of the Chief Operating Officer by Nate Bennett and Stephen A. Miles (Harvard Business Review)Double Double by Cameron HeroldHigh Growth Handbook by Elad GilRocket Fuel by Gino Wickman and Mark C. WintersTraction: Get a Grip on Your Business by Gino WickmanImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World's Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron's book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookClaim your FREE* copy: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via Delphi*Valid only for CEOs or COO/Second in Command based in the US or Canada at companies wih $2M + revenue.The Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.
A question showed up in a Facebook group that's been sitting with me ever since: is anyone else noticing that Claude is writing really mid copy? What followed wasn't a rant about AI. It was something more interesting, a diagnosis of what separates marketers who can catch bad work from the ones who can't, and why that gap is about to matter more than almost any other skill you have. The episode gets into what happens when you can't tell the difference between copy that looks right and copy that actually works. There's a name for the spiral that follows, and once you hear it described, you'll see it everywhere, in your clients' businesses, in the work being produced around you, and maybe in your own process. Key Topics Covered: Why marketers notice AI-generated copy problems that business owners completely miss The balloon cake analogy for copy that has all the trappings but none of the substance The slop loop and how it compounds when taste is absent Two tracks for CMOs depending on whether they have taste in a given discipline How a direct response marketer thinks about guarantees as a competitive weapon Why speed of iteration beats perfectionism when you lack taste in a specific area Building AI fluency through pet projects with no financial stakes Take the First Step Toward Growth with CMOx Booking a call with our team is super easy, stress-free, and all about YOU. Whether you're exploring options or ready to scale, this no-pressure consultation is designed to understand your needs and guide you in the right direction.
Building a tutoring nonprofit that now serves 25,000 students a year — with a vision to reach millions — required someone who'd lived the exact gap she was trying to close. Aly Murray grew up a low-income student raised by a single immigrant mother, moved through a string of Title 1 schools, and felt firsthand what it's like to navigate homework and college applications without support at home. She left a trading job at JP Morgan eight years ago to build Upchieve, a nonprofit offering free, 24/7 human tutoring and college counseling to every Title 1 middle and high school student in the country. Her work is backed by a Gates Foundation-funded study comparing human and AI tutoring, and Upchieve now partners with schools, districts, and CMOs at a cost of about 50 cents per tutoring session. Most school tutoring programs run from 3 to 5pm — and that single design choice quietly locks out the students who need help the most. Aly Murray, founder of the nonprofit Upchieve, built a 24/7 human tutoring program instead, and the data on why AI can't replace it yet might surprise you.
A new Lippincott study says only 28% of CMOs feel they have real influence in their organization—and your CEO has probably already seen it. Most people blame short-term thinking, but Gini Dietrich argues that the real problem is structural. CMOs are managing a pile of channels rather than running a system. You'll learn why the brand-versus-performance debate is a trap, why dumping budget into AI while starving owned media makes you less visible inside AI, and how the PESO Model® works as the operating system that earns C-suite influence back. If you're working hard and still can't prove your value, this one's for you. Links: Free PESO Model® Diagnostic: https://spinsucks.com/self-peso-diagnostic/ PESO Model® Certification: https://spinsucks.com/peso-model-certification/ Full article: https://spinsucks.com/uncategorized/cmo-operating-system-problem
Jarrod Lopiccolo - Co-Founder, CEO - He transforms brands with creative digital performance marketing. He has built a global agency serving Adobe, Google, and Disney—earning accolades from Inc. and Ad Age. A dynamic speaker with 100+ engagements and 40+ podcast appearances, he delivers insights leaders can apply instantly. Jarrod's stories captivate CMOs, founders, and teams looking to drive revenue, performance, and innovation.Connect with Jarrod here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jarrodlopiccolo/https://www.facebook.com/noblestudios/https://www.instagram.com/noblestudios/https://noblestudios.com/Don't forget to register for our free LinkedIn Content Creation Workshop here: https://www.thetimetogrow.com/LinkedInContentRoadmap
Welcome to another can't-miss episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan ditches the guest chair and goes solo to unpack the agency trends his team has been tracking for months, the trust shifts, the AI shake ups, and the consolidation chaos that are about to reshape how small and mid sized agencies compete over the next twelve to eighteen months. In this episode, Drew digs into why trust has become the most valuable and most personal currency an agency owns, and why businesses, not governments or media, are now the most trusted institution on the planet. You'll learn why the giant holding company mergers happening right now are quietly creating a massive opening for privately held independent agencies, and why CMOs at consolidated firms are desperate for more attention and craft. From there, Drew turns to the AI divide that is separating strategic agencies from production vendors, sharing real numbers on content time savings, pricing models, and why clients want smarter work, not cheaper work. He also covers why your team is staying put but quietly burning out, how account managers need to evolve into strategic advisors, and why agency trends in lead generation show more buyers finding agencies through search and AI than ever before. Whether you're trying to decide if it's finally time to commit to a niche, rethinking your pricing model, or just trying to figure out how to keep your best people from quietly checking out, this episode hands you a clear, practical playbook for the year ahead. Don't miss this one, grab a notebook and tune in. A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: Discover why trust has become the most valuable, most personal currency your agency can offer clients and employees alike Learn why massive holding company mergers are creating a rare opportunity for privately held independent agencies Understand the real divide AI is creating between strategic agencies and production vendors, and which side pays better Get the specific data on how AI is cutting content production time and why hourly pricing now works against you Find out why your team is staying longer but feeling more burned out, and what they actually expect from you in return Learn why account managers need to evolve into strategic advisors or risk becoming the most replaceable role in the agency Discover how specialized, niched agencies are reporting profit margins 10 to 20 points higher than generalists See the data on how prospects are finding agencies now, including the surge in AI and web search over referrals Get a practical, step-by-step playbook for positioning your agency as a strategic partner instead of a vendor
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