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There's an instinct every marketing leader is trained to have: fight for credit on pipeline. The best CMOs have realized it's exactly what's holding them back.In this episode, Carolyn breaks down the behavioral traits that separate the best CMOs from everyone else — the patterns she sees every day working with marketing leaders across B2B SaaS. Rather than another set of tactics or a borrowed playbook, she unpacks why the highest-performing CMOs let go of credit, obsess over data integrity, stop waiting on RevOps, and build a culture of making decisions from evidence instead of assumptions.In this episode:(01:45) Why the best CMOs let go of marketing credit and what they focus on instead(07:33) Why a relentless commitment to data integrity is the foundation every good decision rests on(09:55) How elite CMOs stop waiting on RevOps to hand them the numbers that matter(14:45) Why the strongest leaders play offense and defense with their board at the same time(19:55) How ruthless experimentation drives real breakout results(27:12) Why nobody understands your buyer better than your own team(28:56) What it actually takes to survive the mental grind of modern marketing leadershipIf you're trying to prove marketing's impact, make sharper decisions with your data, or build the resilience to lead through constant change, this episode will challenge how you think about what it takes to be a great CMO today.-----------------------------------------------------
In this episode of The Singles on That's What I Call Marketing, Conor Byrne is joined by Bella and Ed from Tracksuit to unpack the biggest marketing stories right now using brand tracking data. They dive into the AI brand wars between ChatGPT/OpenAI and Claude/Anthropic, including how Super Bowl advertising impacted awareness and consideration, and discuss how people use each tool for work vs personal life. The team shares Tracksuit's acquisition of Hall, a Sydney startup that measures how brands show up in AI answers, helping marketers understand AI discoverability and sentiment. They also revisit American Eagle's Sydney Sweeney campaign one year on (awareness gains vs declines in consideration and investigation), break down Norwegian Air's playful British Airways newsjacking around Norway's World Cup momentum, and explore Carlsberg's revival of the “If Carlsberg Did…” platform and what it could mean for brand funnel performance.01:05 Today's Marketing Hot Topics02:11 AI Brand Wars Data05:27 Who Uses Claude vs ChatGPT07:52 AI Use Cases and Model Fatigue12:54 Tracking AI Visibility17:31 American Eagle One Year Later21:44 BA vs Norwegian Newsjacking26:44 Carlsberg Revives Classic PlatformCheck out tracksuitThat's What I Call Marketing is where marketers come for real conversations about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Hosted by Conor Byrne, the show features conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, authors, thinkers and practitioners about what good marketing looks like in practice.Listen, follow and find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comConnect with Conor on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/conorbyrneirl/If you enjoy the show, please follow, subscribe and leave a review. It helps more marketers find the conversations. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
What happens when the thing evaluating your brand isn't a person — but an agent shopping on their behalf, one that doesn't respond to a great story and doesn't care how your homepage makes anyone feel?Agility has usually meant adapting faster than the market. This is a different kind of adaptation: the audience itself is changing shape, and the brands that handle it well will be the ones that adapt without becoming unrecognizable in the process.Today, we're going to talk about:- What actually changes for a brand when autonomous agents enter the discovery and purchase path- Creating content that holds up to an agent's evaluation without flattening into sameness- Closing the AI capability gap inside marketing teams — and what that unlocksTo help me discuss this topic, I'd like to welcome, Rachel Thornton, CMO Enterprise at Adobe.About Rachel ThorntonRachel Thornton is committed to helping businesses create amazing customer experiences at the intersection of marketing, creativity and AI. As Chief Marketing Officer for Adobe's enterprise business, Rachel is responsible for Adobe's global enterprise Creativity & Productivity and Customer Experience Orchestration marketing.Rachel develops marketing, messaging, positioning strategies and activations that expand awareness of Adobe as the world's best marketing and AI platform for delivering brand-changing customer experiences. Her team amplifies Adobe's unique enterprise story in ways that energize, celebrate and empower CMOs and experience makers worldwide.Rachel has more than 25 years of experience in B2B technology marketing, having held leadership roles at Amazon/AWS, Salesforce, Cisco Systems and Microsoft. She has deep experience building and scaling enterprise marketing, customer acquisition, and self-service revenue contributions.Rachel Thornton on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rhthornton/---------- Resources ---------- : adobe.comThe Agile Brand podcast is brought to you by TEKsystems. Learn more here: https://aglbrnd.co/r/2868abd8085a9703Reach your customers with Reddit. Spend $500 in ad spend, get $500 back in ad credit! Learn more: https://advertalize.com/r/491818c79fb1873fEnjoyed the show? Tell us more at and give us a rating so others can find the show at: https://aglbrnd.co/r/faaed112fc9887f3Connect with Greg on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregkihlstromDon't miss a thing: get the latest episodes, sign up for our newsletter and more: https://aglbrnd.co/r/35ded3ccfb6716baCheck out The Agile Brand Guide website with articles, insights, and Martechipedia, the wiki for marketing technology: https://www.agilebrandguide.comThe Agile Brand is produced by Missing Link—a Latina-owned strategy-driven, creatively fueled production co-op. From ideation to creation, they craft human connections through intelligent, engaging and informative content. https://www.missinglink.company Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
What happens when the thing evaluating your brand isn't a person — but an agent shopping on their behalf, one that doesn't respond to a great story and doesn't care how your homepage makes anyone feel?Agility has usually meant adapting faster than the market. This is a different kind of adaptation: the audience itself is changing shape, and the brands that handle it well will be the ones that adapt without becoming unrecognizable in the process.Today, we're going to talk about:- What actually changes for a brand when autonomous agents enter the discovery and purchase path- Creating content that holds up to an agent's evaluation without flattening into sameness- Closing the AI capability gap inside marketing teams — and what that unlocksTo help me discuss this topic, I'd like to welcome, Rachel Thornton, CMO Enterprise at Adobe.About Rachel ThorntonRachel Thornton is committed to helping businesses create amazing customer experiences at the intersection of marketing, creativity and AI. As Chief Marketing Officer for Adobe's enterprise business, Rachel is responsible for Adobe's global enterprise Creativity & Productivity and Customer Experience Orchestration marketing.Rachel develops marketing, messaging, positioning strategies and activations that expand awareness of Adobe as the world's best marketing and AI platform for delivering brand-changing customer experiences. Her team amplifies Adobe's unique enterprise story in ways that energize, celebrate and empower CMOs and experience makers worldwide.Rachel has more than 25 years of experience in B2B technology marketing, having held leadership roles at Amazon/AWS, Salesforce, Cisco Systems and Microsoft. She has deep experience building and scaling enterprise marketing, customer acquisition, and self-service revenue contributions.Rachel Thornton on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rhthornton/---------- Resources ---------- : adobe.comThe Agile Brand podcast is brought to you by TEKsystems. Learn more here: https://aglbrnd.co/r/2868abd8085a9703Reach your customers with Reddit. Spend $500 in ad spend, get $500 back in ad credit! Learn more: https://advertalize.com/r/491818c79fb1873fEnjoyed the show? Tell us more at and give us a rating so others can find the show at: https://aglbrnd.co/r/faaed112fc9887f3Connect with Greg on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregkihlstromDon't miss a thing: get the latest episodes, sign up for our newsletter and more: https://aglbrnd.co/r/35ded3ccfb6716baCheck out The Agile Brand Guide website with articles, insights, and Martechipedia, the wiki for marketing technology: https://www.agilebrandguide.comThe Agile Brand is produced by Missing Link—a Latina-owned strategy-driven, creatively fueled production co-op. From ideation to creation, they craft human connections through intelligent, engaging and informative content. https://www.missinglink.company Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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When every marketing decision has to pay off this quarter, growth starts losing its owner. That's the uncomfortable read from the latest CMO Survey. Under pressure, CMOs are making perfectly rational moves. Safer bets, tighter proof, more focus on the customers already in hand. The danger is what those choices start to signal. If every case for marketing comes back to pipeline now and near-term ROI, the function that should be finding growth can get managed into something much smaller. In this episode, Drew sits down with Christine Moorman, founder of The CMO Survey and professor at Duke University's Fuqua School of Business, to unpack what the spring 2026 results say about marketing's next move. The data points to rising AI value, a stubborn talent gap, and underfunded marketing capabilities. Running through it all is one warning CMOs cannot afford to ignore: Safe can get small. Three Findings CMOs Need to Take to Heart: Short-termism is narrowing marketing's role AI value is rising faster than team readiness Capabilities matter, but investment is lagging What You'll Learn: Why safe bets can defend marketing today and shrink its role tomorrow How metrics shape what the C-suite believes marketing is for Why AI success depends as much on talent and training as it does on tools How CMOs can prove value beyond pipeline, from customer relationships to durable growth Listen in for a clear read on the latest CMO Survey, from why safe can get small to how CMOs can use better metrics, stronger talent, and AI-ready capabilities to reclaim the growth agenda. For full show notes and transcripts, visit https://renegademarketing.com/podcasts/ To learn more about CMO Huddles, visit https://cmohuddles.com/
If you grew up on the pristine, dynamic guitar tones of the 1950s and early 60s, standard overdrive pedals can often sound artificial, overly compressed, and flat-out unnatural. For years, I avoided them entirely because I preferred the sound of a guitar plugging straight into a great, clean tube amplifier.But sometimes, a little grit is totally necessary. Over the years, I've had to find overdrive pedals that actually work for a "clean tone purist." In this video, I'm breaking down the 4 overdrive pedals I've ever genuinely enjoyed, and exactly why they work where other dirt pedals fail.If you hate the typical "mid-hump" and compression of standard overdrives, this list is for you.Ibanez Mostortion (MT10): The secret weapon. Thanks to its unique CMOS circuit, it clips more like a real tube amp, and the 3-band EQ lets you dial out any artificial boxiness, and has a ton of tone shaping abilitiesXotic RC Booster: A wonderful low gain drive/boost, with just a touch of midsMenatone Red Snapper (2004 3-Knob): An incredibly open, uncompressed, and amp-like low-to-mid gain drive with an upper presence that keeps your pick attack perfectly intact.Voodoo Lab Sparkle Drive: A Tube Screamer for people who hate Tube Screamers. The magic clean-blend knob lets you layer your pristine clean tone directly over the grit.GEAR USED IN THIS VIDEO:Guitar: Fender Vintera rosewood Tele neck with ash body, Dimarzio Muscle T pickupsAmp: Vintage Fender 1968 Princeton Reverb with Fat Jimmy C1025 speakerCables/Power: D'Addario cables, Truetone CS6 powerwww.truetone.comTo Support the Channel:Patreon https://www.patreon.com/AskZachttps://ask-zac-shop.fourthwall.comTip jar: https://paypal.me/AskZacVenmo @AskZac#GuitarPedals #OverdrivePedal #ToneChaser #IbanezMostortion #XoticRCBooster #Menatone #SparkleDrive #GuitarToneSupport the show
Few marketing leaders have navigated as much change as Google's Chief Marketing Officer Lorraine Twohill. She's one of the industry's longest-tenured CMOs who's led Google's marketing through massive product and platform shifts, from Search and Chrome, to mobile, YouTube, and now AI. Recorded at Cannes Lions 2026, Frontier CMO host Josh Spanier sits down with Lorraine to unpack how she's built one of the world's most influential marketing organizations, why marketers belong in the room with engineers, and why agility is the ultimate competitive advantage. 00:00 Intro 01:00 Google's Startup Days 03:45 Why Local Marketing Wins 05:45 Becoming Google's CMO 08:00 Marketing in a Product-First Company 09:30 The Chrome Growth Playbook 12:10 Human-Centered Brand Storytelling 13:00 What Creators Teach Marketers 14:20 Defining the Frontier CMO 16:15 Marketing Mistakes & Lessons Learned 18:10 Hiring Great Marketers 20:20 Career Advice for the AI Era 22:30 Google's AI Transformation 25:00 AI Productivity & NotebookLM 26:30 Leadership, Resilience & Cancer 29:20 Health, Sleep & Longevity 30:25 Signal or Noise? 32:20 Three Lessons for Every CMO
How do the best marketers actually integrate brand and performance – not just in theory, but in org design, planning and measurement? Prophet's Kate Price and Monica El Hassan join WARC's Ann Marie Kerwin to discuss strategies for a more integrated approach, based on WARC's marketing effectiveness research The Multiplier Playbook. Guests: Kate Price, Partner - Marketing Transformation, Prophet Monica El-Hassan, Partner - Media, Prophet Chapters: 00:00 – Intro: The Multiplier Playbook on The WARC Podcast 01:49 – Why brand and performance marketing teams are siloed 03:18 – Cultural divides: traditional brand vs digital performance 04:28 – Specialist skills, loss of generalists and pressure on CMOs 07:15 – Shared language: bridging brand, demand and media teams 09:58 – Customer-centric marketing: changing behaviour to drive growth 14:30 – Integrated planning: how overperforming marketers organise 19:45 – Budget rebalancing: brand investment vs performance metrics 24:19 – B2B SaaS case: US Open sponsorship as a brand–demand engine 31:23 – Shared KPIs: proving commercial impact of brand marketing 38:34 – Org design: generalists, team structures and planning rhythms 40:21 – Key takeaways for marketing leaders For 40 years, WARC has been providing the marketing industry with rigorous, unbiased evidence and expert effectiveness guidance. The WARC Podcast publishes a new episode every Tuesday and Thursday. Subscribe to The WARC Podcast here: https://www.warc.com/en/warc-podcastsSign up to daily WARC News for free: https://www.warc.com/en/latestBook a demo: https://www.warc.com/en/subscribe
CRM is heading for the same automation wave that erased the ad operations team fifteen years ago — and brand marketers aren't ready. Eric Miao of Attentive explains what survives, why most companies don't really have a brand, and why earned media is getting impossible to trust.Rick Watson talks with Eric Miao, chief strategy officer at Attentive, about the coming shift in CRM: why the daily hand-made-decision model was always a gap filled by weak tools, why channel best-practices keep getting confused with brand voice, and how fake avatars and planted virality are draining trust from earned media. Eric also cools the Google-to-zero panic for commerce, points to shopping as the lowest category for LLM referrals, and lays out what CMOs should stop doing — and where their people's real advantage lives.This episode is sponsored by Avalara. Learn more at avalara.watsonweekly.comChapters0:00 Cold open: CRM's ad-ops moment is coming0:43 Eric's ad-side origin: from Twitter to Attentive1:06 Why the ad-ops team disappeared2:16 CRM's data gap: 100 billion points vs six3:55 Do brand marketers know what's coming?4:27 Where brand captures all the profit6:17 AI tailwinds and the pop-up nobody remembers seeing9:04 The company with four brand voices16:47 Owned relationships as the last trusted channel18:24 Is Google going to zero for commerce?20:16 What CMOs are underweighting on Mondays23:34 Attentive's real problem: automating journeys without the black box26:35 The marketer is the processThe free Watson Weekly newsletter — the why behind the week's biggest ecommerce & retail stories, every week: https://www.watsonweekly.com#watsonweekly #attentive #crm #ecommerce #brandmarketing #retailmedia #ai
Every franchise brand hits a point where the playbook that got them to 100 locations quietly stops working, and most leaders don't see it coming. Kristin Dennewill of Denamico joins Brendon to unpack the four hidden stall points (visibility, attribution, intelligence, and development) that quietly cap franchise growth, and why the fix isn't another tool, but a rebuilt revenue operating system. She shares real numbers from clients running 800+ locations, and what changes when franchise data finally lives in one place.What You'll LearnWhy growth playbooks expire at scaleThe four hidden franchise stall pointsLeading vs. lagging indicators, explainedWhat "franchise performance intelligence" really meansWhy RevOps is a system, not a projectWhere CEOs, CMOs, and COOs feel the gap differentlyReal hour-savings from a single source of truthHow AI will predict franchisee successResources MentionedDenamico Franchise Growth PlaybookHubSpotRevOps Champions PodcastIs your business ready to scale? Take the Growth Readiness Score to find out. In 5 minutes, you'll see: Benchmark data showing how you stack up to other organizationsA clear view of your operational maturity Whether your business is ready to scale (and what to do next if it's not)Let's ConnectSubscribe to the RevOps Champions NewsletterLinkedInYouTubeExplore the show at revopschampions.com. Ready to unite your teams with RevOps strategies that eliminate costly silos and drive growth? Let's talk!
Gartner predicts that more than 40% of CMOs who push for bigger budgets this year will lose influence with the C-suite—because their asks never connect to what the business runs on. Here's the thing: your CFO's language has only four words—pipeline, risk, retention, and cost-to-acquire—and 'reach' isn't one of them. In this episode, I show you how to translate your work into those four numbers, which budget lines to cut before someone cuts them for you, and why one traceable story beats 12 metrics in any budget meeting. Read the full article: https://spinsucks.com/communication/defend-marketing-budget Take the free PESO Model® Diagnostic: https://spinsucks.com/self-peso-diagnostic/ PESO Model® Certification: https://spinsucks.com/peso-model-certification/
The marketing industry is fracturing fast, and the break isn't happening where most people are looking. The bottom is getting cut out from under SEO agencies, PPC shops, funnel builders, and copywriters, not slowly, but all at once. What gets unpacked is who survives that collapse, and why the answer has almost nothing to do with your technical skills. The argument is about positioning at a level most marketers have never seriously considered. There is a clear line between the roles that AI and hungry college grads with Claude accounts are already eating alive, and the one role that only gets more valuable as the chaos deepens. Key Topics Covered: How Google's AI overhaul is forcing SEO agencies to reinvent or disappear Why Meta's ad platform is cutting PPC agencies out of their own job The bottom 80% problem, and what it means for anyone running a specialty shop Digital natives with AI tools competing directly against established agencies Why the strategist and leader role is the only defensible position left The real difference (and non-difference) between a CMO and a Fractional CMO How to become the person clients seek out instead of the person who has to convince them Take the First Step Toward Growth with CMOx Booking a call with our team is super easy, stress-free, and all about YOU. Whether you're exploring options or ready to scale, this no-pressure consultation is designed to understand your needs and guide you in the right direction.
What should marketers take from Cannes Lions once the presentations are over and the real work of planning for Q4 begins?In this special crossover episode of That's What I Call Marketing and The Sleeping Barber Podcast, System1's Andrew Tindall and Vanessa Chin join Conor Byrne, Marc Binkley and V to explore what the latest marketing thinking means in practice for brands, agencies and creative teams.The conversation begins with Mark Ritson and Byron Sharp's Cannes debate, looking at where they agree, where important differences remain and why marketers need to go beyond familiar headlines on penetration, distinctiveness, consistency and brand purpose. Andrew and Vanessa discuss whether distinctiveness alone can drive growth, why differentiation still matters and how the search for “new news” can lead brands to abandon creative assets before they have built recognition.The episode also examines how AI is changing advertising. Rather than removing people from the process, AI is becoming part of production, helping brands adapt and localise ideas more efficiently. The group considers Coca-Cola's AI Christmas advertising, PepsiCo adapting Lay's creative for Walkers in the UK, and why human judgement still matters. There are practical lessons on creator marketing, brand characters, fluent devices and staying consistent. Andrew explains why creators should be treated as creative partners who understand their platforms, not as interchangeable media assets.The discussion then turns to audio and radio advertising. System1 research suggests campaigns using audio can produce stronger business effects, support profit and penetration, and reduce price sensitivity. The group explores sonic branding, jingles and why radio should not be treated only as a short-term performance channel.Attention matters, but it is not the end goal. Andrew explains why marketers need to move from impressions, to attention, and ultimately to the brand memories advertising creates.The episode closes with a practical Q4 playbook for Black Friday, Cyber Monday and Christmas. “Salesmanship” may deliver immediate conversion, but emotional “showmanship” builds memories, demand and pricing power. The lesson: focus on the feels, not only the deals.CHAPTERS03:24 Ritson and Sharp at Cannes04:45 Distinctiveness versus differentiation06:00 Is brand purpose outdated?08:00 Why marketers struggle with consistency11:05 Turning theory into growth13:09 AI, creativity and human judgement16:10 How PepsiCo uses AI in advertising19:05 Why AI was quieter at Cannes19:55 AI avatars and brand characters22:01 Why marketers need to stay the course22:54 When did a campaign become a media flight?24:45 Turning Cannes insights into a Q4 plan25:22 The “Double Double” audio research28:04 Why audio matters30:13 What makes an effective radio ad?32:29 Why radio is more than a performance channel34:00 Storytelling and creating an audio world36:50 Should creators work across every channel?38:00 What System1's creator research found40:54 Is Q4 the right time for a fluent device?42:06 Moving from attention to brand memory46:36 Can brands be built through Meta and TikTok?48:49 Why brands need to appear early50:02 The Q4 marketing playbook50:43 Make people feel something51:52 Black Friday: deals versus feels52:23 Salesmanship, showmanship and short-term optimisation54:48 What marketers can learn from Amazon56:26 Feels, not deals57:01 Why brands should re-air effective Christmas ads58:00 Consumers do not get bored of good advertisingThis episode was created in partnership with System1. Find out more at system1group.com.Subscribe to That's What I Call Marketing for more conversations on brand growth, marketing effectiveness and creative strategy.That's What I Call Marketing is where marketers come for real conversations about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Hosted by Conor Byrne, the show features conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, authors, thinkers and practitioners about what good marketing looks like in practice.Listen, follow and find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comConnect with Conor on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/conorbyrneirl/If you enjoy the show, please follow, subscribe and leave a review. It helps more marketers find the conversations. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Thema: Marketingstrukturen für das kulturelle Zeitalter „Culture-Marketing fühlt sich neu an. Aber eigentlich bündelt es nur endlich das, was vorher überall verteilt war.“ In der neuen Episode von #WhatsNextAgencies spricht Kim Alexandra Notz mit Sebastian Kemmler, Co-Founder von Kemmler Kemmler, über die Frage, wie Marketingorganisationen aussehen müssen, wenn kulturelle Relevanz zum entscheidenden Wettbewerbsfaktor wird. Sebastian beschreibt, warum das klassische Kampagnenmodell zunehmend an seine Grenzen stößt. Kultur entsteht heute nicht mehr in einzelnen Kanälen, sondern in Communities, Netzwerken und Plattformen. Deshalb reicht es aus seiner Sicht nicht mehr aus, PR, Creator-Marketing, Sponsoring oder Events getrennt voneinander zu steuern. Entscheidend wird ein neues Operating Model, das diese Disziplinen strategisch zusammenführt und kulturelle Relevanz systematisch aufbaut. Im Gespräch geht es außerdem darum, wie globale Marken Kultur datenbasiert steuern und messbar machen können und warum Aufmerksamkeit allein künftig nicht mehr der entscheidende Erfolgsmaßstab sein wird. Sebastian zeigt, weshalb sich auch die Rolle von CMOs verändern muss: Statt Kampagnen zu verwalten, werden sie stärker zu Kuratoren, die interne Kompetenzen, kulturelle Entwicklungen und externe Partner miteinander verbinden.
My guest today is Mike Lane, CEO and co-founder of Fluency, the digital advertising operating system helping agencies scale paid media campaigns across every major digital ad channel.Fluency manages more than 250,000 campaigns monthly and nearly $3 billion in annual media spend, giving Mike a unique lens into where advertising, automation, and AI are all headed. The company recently raised a $40 million Series A to accelerate its growing agentic AI capabilities. And today we're going to dig into what all that actually means for CMOs, marketing teams, and the future of advertising operations. Before Fluency, Mike was COO and co-founder of Dealer.com, which became the automotive retail industry's largest marketing and advertising platform. And finally, he's also an active angel investor, board advisor, and serves on several nonprofit boards.
In today's creator economy, the audience is in charge. Colin Rosenblum and Samir Chaudry explain what this means for CMOs trying to build brands people actually chose to spend time with, not just marketing they scroll past. Back by popular demand, this Frontier CMO conversation unpacks the creator landscape and why attention without connection is a dead end. Whether you're building a creator strategy for the first time or rethinking how your brand shows up online, this episode offers a practical playbook for building lasting creator partnerships, earning audience trust, and staying ahead of where marketing is going.
professorjrod@gmail.comPassing the CompTIA A+ exam becomes less stressful when you stop hunting for 'the right answer' and start asking: what problem is happening right now? This episode kicks off the Technology Tap masterclass for the CompTIA A+ 220-1201 exam, teaching the mindset you'll use on a real help desk response, such as when a user says, 'My computer won't turn on.' It's your practical guide for effective troubleshooting and exam success.I walk through the foundations that show up everywhere on the exam and on the job: the four basic functions of a computer (input, processing, storage, output), the role of the motherboard, CPU, RAM, storage, and power delivery, and the simple troubleshooting steps that prevent expensive guesswork. You'll also get quick practice questions to lock in the basics, plus a study strategy that goes beyond reading once so you can actually explain the concepts back. Then we go deeper into the exam magnets: motherboard form factors and compatibility, CPU cores vs threads, sockets, chipsets, cache, and why DDR4 and DDR5 can't be mixed. We also cover firmware and startup (BIOS vs UEFI, POST, CMOS battery issues) and the storage maze: HDD vs SSD vs NVMe, SATA vs PCIe, why M.2 doesn't automatically mean NVMe, plus GPT vs MBR, NTFS vs FAT32 vs exFAT, RAID levels, and the critical truth that RAID is not backup. If this helps, subscribe, share it with someone studying for CompTIA A+, and leave a review so more future techs can find the masterclass.Support the showArt By Sarah/DesmondMusic by Joakim KarudLittle chacha ProductionsJuan Rodriguez can be reached atTikTok @ProfessorJrodProfessorJRod@gmail.com@Prof_JRodInstagram ProfessorJRod
Pedro Pina, VP of YouTube for Europe, the Middle East and Africa, joins us to explore how YouTube helped create the creator economy and why so many brands are still failing to take full advantage of it.From the rise of full-time creators to the changing role of YouTube in the media landscape, Pedro explains what makes the platform unique, the metrics that actually matter, and why great content continues to outperform everything else. We also discuss the balance between long-form and Shorts, the "YouTube Confidence Gap" among CMOs, and how brands can build authentic partnerships with creators that drive real business results.If you're wondering where marketing is heading next, this is a masterclass from one of the people shaping it.Get the YouTube Confidence Gap Report from Little Dot Studios:https://info.littledotstudios.com/little-dot-studios-the-youtube-confidence-gap-reportThis episode is brought to you by System1. Download their creator effectiveness report here: https://system1group.com/the-creator-effectiveness-playbookTimestamps00:00 - Intro01:35 - Why YouTube made a creator space in Cannes03:06 - How Cannes has changed over the past 20 years06:12 - How many people are paid to be YouTubers09:39 - The secret of YouTube11:08 - Who are the biggest creators on YouTube12:36 - What are the most important metrics on YouTube14:42 - Why content will always be king on YouTube15:57 - What makes a succesful YouTuber19:48 - Is YouTube a broadcaster, streaming platform or social network?22:36 - How important is short form for creators in 202627:24 - The YouTube Confidence Gap28:56 - What CMOs think about YouTube29:54 - How to get more confidence in your YouTube strategy32:53 - The biggest barriers for companies being successful on YouTube35:00 - How can brands work successfully with creators39:31 - How can brands be authentic when they work with creators42:46 - What Pedro wishes CMOs understood better about YouTube44:14 - The best advice Pedro has ever recieved
What You'll Learn:00:00 Introduction02:13 Why Marketing Owns Zero Board KPIs08:54 There Is No Killer Marketing Campaign15:41 Why Your First 10 Customers Matter More24:16 The Biggest GTM Mistake Founders Make33:48 How AI Is Changing Customer Discovery43:11 Demand Generation Beats Chasing Leads53:02 Why Value Wins Over Price1:02:47 The New Rules of B2B Go-to-Market1:11:26 Rapid Fire with Alon WaksRethink your B2B SaaS GTM strategy from pipeline to persona SpotDraft's CMO Alon Waks shares the framework behind $100M raised and 450+ customers.Ask a B2B founder about their killer marketing campaign and most will have an answer ready. Alon Waks will tell you that answer is wrong. There is no killer campaign. There is no one channel. And most of what founders think of as marketing is stuck in one-to-many land when it should be one-to-few.That is where this conversation starts, and it does not slow down.Alon is the CMO at SpotDraft, the AI-powered contract lifecycle management platform backed by Vertex, Qualcomm, Prosus, and P&G Invest, now serving customers across the US, UK, and APAC. In this episode with Prime Venture Partners, he opens up the playbook he actually runs day to day:- How he defines persona versus segment (and why founders keep starting with the wrong one)- What changes as a company moves from 0 to 1 to 10 to 100- Why he thinks paid marketing has become a race to the bottom that most founders are still throwing money at.He also opens up his playbook for B2B influencer marketing, an angle most CMOs will not talk about publicly. He explains why validation has quietly shifted away from Gartner and toward peer-to-peer conversations on Reddit, LinkedIn, and community forums. And for the Indian founders trying to crack the US, he lays out exactly which cities matter, what not to do on outbound, and when to make your first local hire.Toward the end, Alon gets uncomfortably honest about what marketing actually owns on the board KPI list (spoiler: almost nothing) and why that changes everything about how you should measure your team.If you are a founder, a marketer, or a CMO building a B2B SaaS GTM strategy from scratch, this is the one to bookmark.Connect:Alon Waks on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alonwaks/Spotdraft: https://www.spotdraft.com/Prime Venture Partners: https://www.primevp.in/Jerome Manuel on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeromermanuel/About Prime Venture Partners:Prime Venture Partners is an early-stage venture capital firm partnering with exceptional founders building category-defining companies from India.#GoToMarket #B2BMarketing
There's a certain kind of client who will never want what you're offering, no matter how good your pitch is. The episode opens with a story about a roadside crab shack in Maryland with 178 reviews and a 4.8-star rating, and why Casey walked away from it as a hard no. What that moment revealed about positioning as a fractional CMO is the whole argument of the episode. He also draws a sharp line around AI: why the CMOs leaning into implementation tools and agentic builds are setting themselves up for a painful conversation at the three-month mark, and what clients actually want when they say they want "AI stuff." The episode makes the case for staying in the strategist seat, even when the temptation to tinker is real and the tools make it easy. Key Topics Covered: Why the wrong clients were never your clients to begin with The trap of playing small to win a first client How AI implementation work quietly erodes your CMO position What the three-month conversation looks like when you've been building agents instead of driving growth The difference between what clients say they want and what they actually need Why becoming "the AI person" is a positioning mistake How to be the CMO clients come after instead of the one who has to sell Take the First Step Toward Growth with CMOx Booking a call with our team is super easy, stress-free, and all about YOU. Whether you're exploring options or ready to scale, this no-pressure consultation is designed to understand your needs and guide you in the right direction.
Matt Butts, Head of Marketing Science at Samsung Ads Europe, joins That's What I Call Marketing to discuss marketing science, incrementality, connected TV measurement and why rigorous testing matters more than a positive result. This episode explains how marketers can move beyond convenient metrics, design better experiments and connect advertising activity to meaningful business outcomes. Matt also explores how changing television behaviours are reshaping media planning, audience measurement and the role of connected TV.In this episode, we cover:– Why marketers often measure metrics without questioning whether they matter– The difference between basic A/B testing and genuine incrementality testing– Why the quality of the test matters more than whether the result is positive– How marketing scientists translate complex analysis into commercial decisions– How Samsung Ads measures viewing across linear television, streaming and gaming– Why reported reach can hide significant audience duplication– How incremental reach can reduce media waste and identify missed audiences– The role of connected TV data in advertising planning and measurement– Why marketers need to communicate measurement differently to CMOs, CFOs and media teams– How rigorous measurement helped one advertiser move from zero investment to a seven-figure commitmentMatt argues that marketing science should not simply validate decisions that have already been made. Its role is to challenge assumptions, identify what would have happened without the advertising and give marketers evidence they can confidently use to make better investment decisions.A useful listen for marketers interested in marketing science, advertising effectiveness, connected TV, incrementality, media measurement, experimentation and commercial impact.Timestamps01:16 How Matt found his way into marketing science02:19 How advertising measurement has changed03:27 Are marketers measuring things without knowing why?04:27 Why measurement assumptions must be tested continually05:02 Do marketers know how to test properly?06:00 The limitations of basic A/B testing06:17 Why incrementality is the missing part of marketing testing07:18 The importance of statisticians, data scientists and translation08:13 Matt's journey to Samsung Ads08:18 What Samsung Ads does09:00 How television viewing behaviour has changed10:18 Balancing audience precision, relevance and scale11:02 Relevance without intrusive personalisation12:19 Samsung Ads' Total View measurement capability12:36 Audience duplication, incremental reach and missed audiences13:40 Why platform reach figures can be misleading14:06 What a Head of Marketing Science actually does14:40 Building advertiser-specific measurement playbooks15:16 Using measurement to improve future advertising investment15:23 How to explain incrementality to senior business leaders15:41 Why marketers need to understand marketing science17:00 How measurement feeds into marketing mix models17:33 A real example of fixing incomplete advertising data19:00 How a geo test led to a seven-figure investment19:43 Why negative test results should not frighten marketers20:40 Combining scientific rigour with commercial thinking21:51 What comes next for connected TV measurement22:00 Connecting television and mobile data23:30 Why marketing measurement must keep pace with human behaviourThat's What I Call Marketing is the podcast for marketers who care about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Follow the show for more conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, professors, authors, thinkers and practitioners.Find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comThanks to the Digital Voice for their partnership https://www.thedigitalvoice.co.uk/That's What I Call Marketing is where marketers come for real conversations about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Hosted by Conor Byrne, the show features conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, authors, thinkers and practitioners about what good marketing looks like in practice.Listen, follow and find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comConnect with Conor on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/conorbyrneirl/If you enjoy the show, please follow, subscribe and leave a review. It helps more marketers find the conversations. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Amir Rasekh, Managing Director of Nectar360, joins That's What I Call Marketing to discuss customer insight, retail media, AI-powered measurement and how agentic commerce could change the way people shop.This episode explains how retail media has evolved from loyalty data, targeted coupons and direct mail into a sophisticated, measurable channel spanning in-store, onsite and offsite media.In this episode, we cover:– Why customer insight remains the foundation of effective retail media– How Nectar360 connects loyalty, insight and retail media in one customer-focused system– Why brands hold retail media to a higher measurement standard than traditional channels– How Nectar360 measures incrementality and multi-touch attribution across omnichannel campaigns– How its AI-powered Pollen platform makes campaign planning, creative production and measurement faster– What agentic commerce could mean for retailers, marketers and customer decision-making– Why AI should support better human relationships rather than remove the people involvedAmir also shares early results from Pollen, including 2.5 times more incremental sales from omnichannel campaigns and evidence that retail media can influence the middle and upper parts of the marketing funnel, rather than acting only as a conversion channel.The conversation also explores an important tension for marketers: technology can make retail media simpler, faster and more measurable, but clients still expect strong relationships, expertise and human judgement. A useful listen for marketers interested in customer insight, retail media, marketing measurement, AI in marketing, incrementality, omnichannel strategy and the future of commerce.Timestamps00:00 Introduction01:27 Amir Rasekh's career in retail and Sainsbury's04:34 Building an insight-led culture05:00 What Nectar360 does today06:06 Why retail media suddenly became so prominent07:18 The fundamentals of retail media08:52 Why measurement expectations are increasing10:28 Introducing Nectar360's Pollen platform12:15 Are marketers rigorous enough when testing campaigns?13:33 How AI accelerated retail media technology14:21 AI audience building, creative scoring and production14:38 Cutting creative production from weeks to 90 seconds14:59 Early results from omnichannel retail media16:10 Retail media as a brand-building channel17:05 How customer shopping behaviour is changing18:00 What agentic commerce means for retail20:03 Will consumers shop through ChatGPT and AI agents?22:16 Why physical stores still matter24:00 How Nectar360's teams are using AI25:16 Building AI literacy across an organisation25:47 Why clients do not want technology to replace people26:04 Closing thoughtsThat's What I Call Marketing is the podcast for marketers who care about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Follow the show for more conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, professors, authors, thinkers and practitioners.Find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comThis Cannes Sessions episode is produced in partnership with The Digital Voice.Find out more at: https://www.thedigitalvoice.co.ukThat's What I Call Marketing is where marketers come for real conversations about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Hosted by Conor Byrne, the show features conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, authors, thinkers and practitioners about what good marketing looks like in practice.Listen, follow and find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comConnect with Conor on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/conorbyrneirl/If you enjoy the show, please follow, subscribe and leave a review. It helps more marketers find the conversations. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Are you just busy working? Or are you adding value? Marketing has become overloaded with channels, platforms, metrics, and specialized roles. But Seth Matlins believes the job itself is much simpler: create value, drive sustainable growth, and help the business create and keep customers. In this episode, Seth joins Stephanie Postles to explain why CMO job descriptions are often fundamentally disconnected from business results—and why marketers must see themselves as commercial leaders, not merely brand leaders. They discuss the danger of optimizing for departmental metrics instead of business outcomes, why short-term pressure can destroy long-term growth, and what Seth learned from one of the biggest strategic mistakes of his career. They also explore why brands must become more humane in an AI-driven world, what separates the world's most influential CMOs, and why every decision a company makes either creates or destroys value. Seth Matlins is the founder of The Wisdomist Company, former Managing Director of the Forbes CMO Network, and host of Create or Destroy: Reimagining Marketing. Follow Seth: LinkedIn — Seth Matlins Listen to his new show: Create or Destroy: Reimagining Marketing (Vox Media + The Wisdomist Company) This episode brought to you by Attentive. Attentive helps brands personalize messages across SMS, email, RCS, and push - so every interaction feels relevant, not random. Not more marketing. Better marketing. That's marketing made personal. That's Attentive. To learn more visit attentive.com. Chapters 0:00 The CMO Job Description Is Broken 2:30 Marketing Is a Commercial Strategy 4:19 How “Marketing Prefixes” Broke the Function 8:04 Why Your Team Is Punching Growth in the Face 13:20 David Droga: Complexity Is a Tax on Success 16:02 The Worst Work Seth Ever Did 20:21 “You Neither Give Nor Take Direction” 24:03 Stop Trying to Be Human. Be Humane. 29:23 What Separates the World's Most Influential CMOs 31:49 Why CEOs Struggle to Understand Marketing 34:03 Why Eric Schmidt Was Wrong About Marketing 35:43 Seth's 10 Rules of Marketing 40:09 Introducing Create or Destroy 45:52 Lightning Round: Harry Potter, Coca-Cola and More 49:40 Are Your Metrics Making You Play the Wrong Game? ----Mission.org is a media studio producing content alongside world-class clients. Learn more at mission.org. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Lara Balazs, CMO of Adobe, joins us to discuss what it takes to lead one of the world's most influential creative brands through a period of enormous change.From Adobe's presence at Cannes to the rapid rise of AI, Lara shares her vision for the company and why she believes technology should be used in service of creativity, rather than simply to drive efficiency. We explore why creativity matters more than ever in the age of AI, the skills Adobe looks for in marketers, and the traits that separate the most successful CMOs.Lara also shares the practical leadership principles she uses to run her team, from creating a company plan on a page and harnessing the power of repetition to prioritising progress over perfection and using the “two-way door” approach to make faster decisions.This episode is brought to you by System1. Download their creator effectiveness report here: https://system1group.com/the-creator-effectiveness-playbookTimestamps00:00 - Start01:23 - The most surprising thing about Lara03:11 - How Adobe have stood out at Cannes05:50 - What makes an influential CMO?06:59 - How to manage a business through change09:54 - Lara's vision for Adobe13:33 - Finding inspiration from a brand's history15:13 - Where AI has been used in service of creativity18:03 - AI to enhance creativity vs increasing efficiency20:42 - Why creativity still matters in the AI age23:41 - What skillsets does Adobe hire for in marketing?25:22 - The traits of the most successful CMOs28:55 - The company plan on a page30:49 - The power of repitition32:05 - Progress over perfection at Adobe33:14 - The two way door approach37:19 - The best advice Lara has ever recieved
What if the most misunderstood role in business is also the one deciding whether your company scales?In this solo episode, Cameron Herold, founder of the COO Alliance and author of Second in Command, tackles the question every growth-minded CEO eventually faces: what exactly is a COO? Drawing on Bennett and Miles' research and his own years as second in command at 1-800-GOT-JUNK?, Cameron explains why no two COOs on the planet have the same job, and why the search for a great one starts with the CEO's own strengths and gaps.He walks through the seven types of COO: Executor, Change Agent, Mentor, Other Half, Partner, Heir Apparent, and MVP, with stories from Shopify, Oracle, Dell, and Facebook, plus the common roles a COO plays as adult in the room, integrator, and moderator.Get this hire wrong, and the person meant to fix the chaos only adds to it. Listen now.Timestamped Highlights[00:00] – The question-asking habit that separates growing companies from stuck ones[00:52] – Why most CMOs are interchangeable, but no two COOs share the same job[01:40] – The only non-negotiable requirement for any COO[02:31] – The research that uncovered the seven main categories of COO[04:30] – When a change agent should come from outside the company[05:34] – Why changing a company's culture is like dealing with teenagers[07:30] – The mentor move that shaped Facebook's earliest years[08:30] – The marriage test every CEO-COO pairing has to pass[13:18] – The leadership meeting comment that earned Cameron the COO title[18:57] – The homeowner and contractor rule for splitting the what from the how[23:20] – Why the CEO, not the COO, should be the tiebreakerMentioned ResourcesRiding Shotgun: The Role of the COO by Nate Bennett and Stephen A. MilesSecond in Command: The Misunderstood Role of the Chief Operating Officer by Nate Bennett and Stephen A. Miles (Harvard Business Review)Double Double by Cameron HeroldHigh Growth Handbook by Elad GilRocket Fuel by Gino Wickman and Mark C. WintersTraction: Get a Grip on Your Business by Gino WickmanImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World's Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron's book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookClaim your FREE* copy: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via Delphi*Valid only for CEOs or COO/Second in Command based in the US or Canada at companies wih $2M + revenue.The Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.
A question showed up in a Facebook group that's been sitting with me ever since: is anyone else noticing that Claude is writing really mid copy? What followed wasn't a rant about AI. It was something more interesting, a diagnosis of what separates marketers who can catch bad work from the ones who can't, and why that gap is about to matter more than almost any other skill you have. The episode gets into what happens when you can't tell the difference between copy that looks right and copy that actually works. There's a name for the spiral that follows, and once you hear it described, you'll see it everywhere, in your clients' businesses, in the work being produced around you, and maybe in your own process. Key Topics Covered: Why marketers notice AI-generated copy problems that business owners completely miss The balloon cake analogy for copy that has all the trappings but none of the substance The slop loop and how it compounds when taste is absent Two tracks for CMOs depending on whether they have taste in a given discipline How a direct response marketer thinks about guarantees as a competitive weapon Why speed of iteration beats perfectionism when you lack taste in a specific area Building AI fluency through pet projects with no financial stakes Take the First Step Toward Growth with CMOx Booking a call with our team is super easy, stress-free, and all about YOU. Whether you're exploring options or ready to scale, this no-pressure consultation is designed to understand your needs and guide you in the right direction.
What does attention actually tell us about whether advertising is working?Pete Wallace, Managing Director EMEA at GumGum, explains why clicks remain a poor measure of advertising effectiveness and how attention can help marketers connect media exposure with real brand outcomes.Pete shares how GumGum combines contextual signals, attention data, time, device and creative performance to predict the mindset of an audience. He brings this to life through GumGum's work with the BBC and Havas on *Celebrity Traitors*, where targeting and creative changed as tension and excitement around the programme developed.We also discuss why there is no universal number of seconds that guarantees attention, how creative testing can reveal when branding should appear, and why advertising needs to respect the environment in which it appears.The conversation then moves into privacy, the value exchange between advertising and free content, the problem with ad tech companies using the same language, and why marketers need to ask more difficult questions about the technology behind their media plans.Pete also reflects on moving from agency life into ad tech and leading teams across Europe, Japan and Australia, where different cultures require different approaches to pitching, testing and decision-making.## In this episode, you will learn:* Why attention can be more useful than clicks as a measure of advertising effectiveness* How contextual advertising can predict consumer mindset without relying on personal identity* How GumGum adapted targeting and creative during the BBC's *Celebrity Traitors** Why every brand may require a different attention benchmark* How creative attention data can improve branding and message placement* Why advertising works best when it respects the surrounding content* How marketers can test ad technology rather than accepting similar-sounding sales pitches* What Pete has learned from leading teams across different international markets## Timestamps01:38 Pete's journey from media agencies into ad tech03:23 The difference between agency life and working in sales05:33 What GumGum does and how the business has developed06:00 Using data signals to predict consumer mindset06:55 How GumGum worked on the BBC's *Celebrity Traitors*08:46 Why attention has always influenced media planning09:25 Connecting attention to business and brand outcomes10:21 How GumGum measures attention11:15 Why there is no universal attention benchmark11:23 Using attention data to improve creative execution12:45 Matching advertising to the environment around it13:34 Why brands are asking more questions about ad technology14:33 Where GumGum fits within the modern media plan14:40 Why marketers need greater digital and technical knowledge15:12 Are marketers rigorous enough when testing media?16:00 The problem with every ad tech company sounding the same17:00 Why campaign learning needs to feed into future activity17:42 Leading teams across Europe, Japan and Australia18:23 How culture changes client expectations and ways of working20:01 Balancing global consistency with local flexibility21:23 What international markets can learn from one another*The Cannes Sessions are brought to you in partnership with The Digital Voice.*That's What I Call Marketing is where marketers come for real conversations about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Hosted by Conor Byrne, the show features conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, authors, thinkers and practitioners about what good marketing looks like in practice.Listen, follow and find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comConnect with Conor on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/conorbyrneirl/If you enjoy the show, please follow, subscribe and leave a review. It helps more marketers find the conversations. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Building a tutoring nonprofit that now serves 25,000 students a year — with a vision to reach millions — required someone who'd lived the exact gap she was trying to close. Aly Murray grew up a low-income student raised by a single immigrant mother, moved through a string of Title 1 schools, and felt firsthand what it's like to navigate homework and college applications without support at home. She left a trading job at JP Morgan eight years ago to build Upchieve, a nonprofit offering free, 24/7 human tutoring and college counseling to every Title 1 middle and high school student in the country. Her work is backed by a Gates Foundation-funded study comparing human and AI tutoring, and Upchieve now partners with schools, districts, and CMOs at a cost of about 50 cents per tutoring session. Most school tutoring programs run from 3 to 5pm — and that single design choice quietly locks out the students who need help the most. Aly Murray, founder of the nonprofit Upchieve, built a 24/7 human tutoring program instead, and the data on why AI can't replace it yet might surprise you.
Building agency-client relationships requires clarity on goals, communication and trust. Learn what actually makes partnerships work and last.Gill Huber from Ingenuity+ joins us to break down what clients want from agencies and what agencies want from clients, drawing on data from over 250 marketing directors surveyed every quarter. This episode kicks off a brand new four week collaboration between The Marketing Meetup and WACL, the 103 year old network for women in advertising, marketing, tech and communications.We analyse the real reasons clients leave agencies, how AI is reshaping expectations on both sides, and how smaller agencies and consultants can get noticed without getting lost in an endless pitch process. Jill shares her perspective on what makes agency-client relationships thrive long term, helping you understand what's really driving decisions on both sides of the table.This is essential viewing for anyone working in or with agencies, whether you're managing client relationships, running pitches, or trying to win new business in a crowded market.Subscribe for weekly marketing leadership breakdowns, and comment below: what's the biggest reason you've seen an agency-client relationship break down?+00:00 — Welcome03:02 — The agency landscape today08:54 — Impact of fractional roles10:46 — How AI is changing client expectations16:16 — Has AI made execution too cheap?18:19 — Why clients really leave agencies21:20 — Getting to a shared definition of success24:29 — Avoiding the client-agency power imbalance27:07 — Escaping the endless pitch process32:51 — Advice for solo marketers and small agencies35:33 — When to discuss service level agreements41:41 — Retainers vs. project based work46:27 — Questions to ask before agreeing budgets49:20 — Building long term agency partnerships53:05 — Navigating compensation expectations55:51 — Collect experiences, build networks, enjoy the journey+If you enjoyed this, please like and subscribe - it genuinely helps us reach more marketers like you.+ Join 35,000+ marketers getting our weekly newsletter (it's free): https://themarketingmeetup.com/newsletterListen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-meetup-podcast/id1365546447Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5QvmFdxg5pMwsfPkKjhXl9+The Marketing Meetup thrives for many reasons, but one of the crucial reasons we're able to do what we do is because we have the support of some incredible individuals from some equally inspiring companies. Below is the list of our partners in crime: our amigos. All we have to say is a big, massive, thank you: Cambridge Marketing College + Frontify + Planable + Wistia + Prismic + Canva
In this episode, Mark Abraham, Managing Director and Senior Partner at BCG, joins Elke Karskens, Head of International Marketing at OpenAI to explore how AI is already transforming marketing and what's coming next. We discuss OpenAI's remarkable growth, the launch of its first advertising campaign, and how marketers can prepare for a future where AI is embedded across every function.The conversation covers how brands can increase their visibility in ChatGPT, the opportunities created by tools like Codex, the skills tomorrow's CMOs will need, and why the real value of AI isn't just efficiency, it's effectiveness.This episode has been produced in partnership with BCG. Browse their CMO Report here:https://www.bcg.com/publications/2026/making-the-agentic-marketing-transformation-a-realityTimestamps00:00 - Start01:16 - Open AI's meteoric rise02:07 - Breakthrough moments for OpenAI03:04 - How have Open AI scaled so quickly04:49 - What will be led by humans and what will be led by AI in 5 years06:09 - Open AI's impressive first ad campaign08:32 - Launch of the Open AI advertising platform13:01 - How brands can rank in ChatGPT14:44 - How brands can use Codex17:44 - How do CMOs feel about AI19:34 - How do you deliver transformation with AI20:55 - What skillsets are going to be in demand for the future CMO23:29 - Which brands are using AI well today24:52 - What can we do with AI in a year from now we can't do today?29:45 - Why BCG and Open AI work together30:53 - What don't people understand about AI?35:11 - Efficiency and cost savings vs effectiveness in AI38:15 - Best advice you've ever been given
James MacDonald, Founder of Limelight, joins That's What I Call Marketing to discuss programmatic advertising, building a global ad tech business, AI and why simplicity still matters for marketers today.This episode explores the journey from Fleet Street advertising sales to modern programmatic technology, through a practical conversation about risk, reinvention, customer focus, remote culture and building technology that solves real problems.In this episode, we cover:– What Fleet Street taught James about sales, resilience and asking for the business– Why helping people buy is more powerful than pushing people to buy– How James identified the gap that led to Limelight– Why programmatic advertising still needs simplicity, support and better execution– How Limelight thinks about AI, interoperability and the importance of human judgement– What it takes to build and maintain a strong remote culture across a global teamA useful listen for marketers interested in ad tech, programmatic advertising, AI in marketing, founder stories, sales, customer success, remote teams and building through change.That's What I Call Marketing is the podcast for marketers who care about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Follow the show for more conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, professors, authors, thinkers and practitioners.Find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comThis Cannes Sessions episode is brought to you in partnership with The Digital Voice.Find out more at: https://www.thedigitalvoice.co.uk01:38 Starting out on Fleet Street03:19 What early sales teaches you04:35 From eggs to advertising06:27 Helping people buy, not pushing a sale07:04 Mentors, mistakes and learning through failure07:11 Starting again and founding Limelight09:31 Finding the right business partner10:59 Identifying the gap in programmatic12:00 Building the Limelight platform14:00 Taking risks as a founder15:59 Building culture as the company grows16:42 Running a fully remote global business18:17 What Limelight does20:49 How people discover Limelight22:16 Listening to customers and building the product23:33 AI, human judgement and interoperability26:05 Why simplicity matters in technologyThat's What I Call Marketing is where marketers come for real conversations about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Hosted by Conor Byrne, the show features conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, authors, thinkers and practitioners about what good marketing looks like in practice.Listen, follow and find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comConnect with Conor on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/conorbyrneirl/If you enjoy the show, please follow, subscribe and leave a review. It helps more marketers find the conversations. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
What happens when a journalist steps into the world of influencer marketing and financial insights, only to return to the reporter's beat? In this week's episode of Campaign Chemistry, newly minted managing editor Emmy Liederman sits down with Jameson Fleming to chart her career path and lay out her vision for the future of Campaign US. From her early days in journalism to her time navigating the evolving influencer landscape, Liederman explains how a deep understanding of both human interest stories and hard financial data shapes modern B2B marketing. She breaks down the real-world challenges facing today's CMOs, the need for accountability in trade journalism and how Campaign aims to be an indispensable resource for an industry in constant flux. Plus, she shares her unfiltered takes on industry buzzwords in a fast-paced game of "Love, Like and Loathe." campaignlive.com Music - Take you Out by Lucid Tides, courtesy of Triple Scoop. What we know about advertising, you should know about advertising. Start your 1-month FREE trial to Campaign US. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Full transcript CMOs are " really good at the M part," says Bennie Johnson, the CEO of the American Marketing Association. "We're really good at the marketing part. We struggle with the 'Chief' and the 'Officer.'" Why is that? Some possible reasons include the lack of professional certification for great marketers, the short tenures CMOs often have before moving on to the next job, or the fact that — according to the Marketing + Media Alliance's research — 30 percent of marketing capabilities sit outside the role of CMO. "We need to take a full push that we are unapologetically leading the business," Bennie says. "An organization's marketers are driving growth. We don't get credit for the money, but we get credit for the expense." Today on Building Better CMOs, Bennie and Greg talk about bridging research and practice through executive–academic collaboration, emerging trends from the AMA's own research, and why Bennie believes "adjectives matter" when you talk about marketing. Plus: Why you are never the target audience. 00:00 Introduction 03:47 Inside the AMA's Big Tent 08:22 Future Trends in Marketing 10:58 Portfolio Careers and Fractional CMOs 22:07 Career Advice and Collecting Art 29:20 You Are Not the Target Audience 31:25 Where Academic Research Meets Practice 36:05 The Boardroom Leadership Gap 38:16 Why Marketing Loses Control 48:23 No Licensure, No Gatekeepers Bennie's LinkedIn American Marketing Association This episode was produced and edited by Eric Johnson from LightningPod Follow Building Better CMOs in your podcast app Rate and review the podcast
A new Lippincott study says only 28% of CMOs feel they have real influence in their organization—and your CEO has probably already seen it. Most people blame short-term thinking, but Gini Dietrich argues that the real problem is structural. CMOs are managing a pile of channels rather than running a system. You'll learn why the brand-versus-performance debate is a trap, why dumping budget into AI while starving owned media makes you less visible inside AI, and how the PESO Model® works as the operating system that earns C-suite influence back. If you're working hard and still can't prove your value, this one's for you. Links: Free PESO Model® Diagnostic: https://spinsucks.com/self-peso-diagnostic/ PESO Model® Certification: https://spinsucks.com/peso-model-certification/ Full article: https://spinsucks.com/uncategorized/cmo-operating-system-problem
Adam Wilson has spent his career helping brands stand out. After years at creative agencies and a stint leading brand marketing at Carhartt, he now leads strategy and creative at D/CAL, the agency he co-founded with Tony Hawk. In this episode of Question Everything, Adam shares why so many CMOs struggle to differentiate their brand, how brands can think like creators to earn attention, and how CMOs can get the most from their agency partners. What you'll learn in this episode: How CMOs are being set up to fail and what agencies can do to help Why you can't rely on quantitative data to differentiate your brand Why you need to differentiate further upstream The best use case for AI in agencies Why there should be some pushback in your agency relationship Why D/CAL's advisory board is filled with cultural tastemakers like Skateboarder Tony Hawk and Music Producer Paul Blair Why brands need to start thinking like creators What CMOs get wrong about Creatives and what Creatives get wrong about CMOs Resources: Learn more about D/CAL on their website See D/CAL's advisory board Check out D/CAL's latest work Connect with Adam on LinkedIn
Julia Linehan, Founder and CEO of The Digital Voice, joins That's What I Call Marketing to discuss Cannes Lions, the changing role of PR, AI search, trusted sources and why amplification matters for marketers today.This episode explores how brands, agencies and marketing leaders need to think about discoverability in a world where search, AI, content and credibility are all changing at pace.In this episode, we cover:– Why The Digital Voice describes itself as an amplification partner, not a traditional PR agency– How AI search and LLMs are changing the value of trusted, published content– Why consistency, repetition and clear messaging matter more than ever– What it takes to plan properly for Cannes Lions and create real value from the week– How Julia has built a fully remote team with strong culture, energy and trust– Why Cannes needs to stay accessible for students, publishers, creators and smaller businessesA useful listen for marketers interested in PR, brand visibility, AI in marketing, thought leadership, Cannes Lions, agency leadership and the future of discoverability.That's What I Call Marketing is the podcast for marketers who care about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Follow the show for more conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, professors, authors, thinkers and practitioners.Find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comVisit the Digital voice at https://www.thedigitalvoice.co.uk/That's What I Call Marketing is where marketers come for real conversations about brand, B2B, creativity, effectiveness and the future of the profession.Hosted by Conor Byrne, the show features conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, agency leaders, authors, thinkers and practitioners about what good marketing looks like in practice.Listen, follow and find more episodes at: https://www.thatswhaticallmarketing.comConnect with Conor on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/conorbyrneirl/If you enjoy the show, please follow, subscribe and leave a review. It helps more marketers find the conversations. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Send us Fan MailIn this solo episode of Marketing Espresso, I'm wrapping up season two with a conversation about marketing strategy, business growth, AI, customer experience and why the foundations of good marketing still matter, even when the world around us feels like it is changing at speed.After taking myself out of the office and spending time at the SmartCompany Growth Summit, I wanted to share the ideas, reminders and uncomfortable truths that stayed with me. Because while AI, agentic commerce, automation and changing consumer behaviour are all big conversations right now, I kept coming back to something much simpler: marketing is still a business function, not just a collection of posts, ads or content ideas.One of the biggest reminders from the event was that consistency over a long period of time still matters. Marketing is not free. It is not just social media. It is not something that magically creates leads if the rest of the business is unclear. Marketing works best when it is built on strong foundations, clear strategy, customer understanding, brand positioning and the patience to build something over time.I also reflect on hearing Naomi Simson speak about the early days of RedBalloon, including the story of how long it took to get the first sale and the level of dedication required to get the business moving. It was such a good reminder that there is no such thing as an overnight business. Behind every “quick” success story is usually grit, effort, persistence and a huge amount of foundational work.This episode also dives into one of the questions I think more business owners need to ask: what impact are we already having on our customers? So many businesses are focused on finding more customers, but they forget to listen to the stories of the customers they already have. If you want to understand your unique selling proposition, your customer journey and the real value of your business, you need to ask better questions.I also talk about AI and why I believe businesses need to be incredibly careful about outsourcing too much of their thinking to technology. AI can help with repetitive tasks, data, reports and automation, but it cannot replace the human insight, creativity, disruption and emotional intelligence that strong businesses and strong brands need.We also explore the idea of agentic commerce, where AI could potentially make purchases on our behalf, and what that might mean for consumer behaviour. If people currently buy based on emotion, what happens when an AI agent starts making purchasing decisions based on logic, patterns and prompts? It raises big questions for marketers, business owners and brands trying to build trust and loyalty.Another key theme in this episode is the difference between using AI as a support tool and using it to replace the roles that require human judgement. Whether we are talking about virtual CFOs, CMOs, strategists or operations support, the danger is not necessarily the technology itself. The danger is assuming AI can understand the nuance, context, emotion and intuition required to make strong business decisions.This episode is also a reminder that marketing is not just about lead generation. Yes, leads matter. Sales matter. Growth matters. But marketing is also about relationships, customer experience, positioning, trust, visibility, brand memory and making sure people understand why your business exists in the first place.If you have been feeling overwhelmed by AI, tired of being told to “just post more”, or unsure where to focus your marketing energy, this episode is designed to bring you back to the basics that actually matter.DOWNLOAD MY CONTENT PLANNERInstagram @bec_chappellLinkedIn – Bec Chappell If you're ready to work together, I'm ready to work with you and your team.How to work with me:1. Marketing foundations and strategy consultation 2. Marketing Coaching/ Whispering for you a marketing leader or your team who you want to develop into marketing leaders3. Book me as a speaker or advisor for your organisation4. Get me on your podcastThis podcast has been produced and edited by Snappystreet Creative
In this episode, Josh Spanier from Google and Lauren Wiener from BCG join us to discuss how AI is transforming marketing, organisations, and the role of the CMO. From navigating the AI hype cycle to building the right culture for change, they share practical advice for leaders trying to turn AI from a buzzword into a genuine competitive advantage.We also explore the future skills marketers will need, the changing role of agencies, why marketing should lead AI transformation, and where the industry is likely to be just 12 months from now.This episode has been produced in partnership with BCG. Browse their CMO Report here:https://www.bcg.com/publications/2026/making-the-agentic-marketing-transformation-a-realityTimestamps00:00 - Start01:52 - Where are we in the AI hype cycle04:48 - How are Google seeing AI impact businesses06:50 - The difference between the CMOs who are getting it right and wrong09:05 - The future of marketing in the age of AI10:48 - The skills of the future CMO16:41 - Why marketing needs to drive the change19:18 - Positive examples of AI24:01 - How do organisations make the change27:02 - When AI campaigns don't go so well29:11 - How AI data will transform marketing30:13 - Dealing with higher expectations but less resource35:25 - The culture to enable successful AI transformation36:55 - The role of agencies in an AI world38:50 - AI predictions in 12 months40:23 - The best advice you've ever been given41:52 - Where will marketing be in 12 months
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AI is moving fast enough to make even the savviest CMO feel one tool, one workflow, and one "wait, you can do that now?" behind. The easy move is to delegate it. Let the eager people experiment. Let the technical folks wire things together. Let the team come back with something impressive enough to call progress. If that sounds like a plan, François Dufour would like a word. In this episode, we replay a conversation with Drew and François from April 2026 about what it takes to become an AI-augmented CMO. François makes the case that leaders need enough hands-on fluency to build, test, learn, and model the behavior they expect from their teams. Together, they push past one-off experiments and tool demos toward a more durable rhythm of teams building together, champions sharing what works, system thinkers connecting the dots, and workflows that create leverage beyond a few saved minutes. What You'll Learn: Why AI adoption needs repeated build time, not one-and-done training How to spot the champions and system thinkers who can move the team faster What context AI needs before agents and workflows become useful How to make AI progress visible without rewarding random activity You'll also hear how François used AI to manage context across clients, analyze positioning and narrative, build better customer-facing tools, and help teams see the art of the possible. Tune in to learn how AI-augmented CMOs can lead the work personally, make adoption stick across the team, and turn experimentation into leverage the business can feel. For full show notes and transcripts, visit https://renegademarketing.com/podcasts/ To learn more about CMO Huddles, visit https://cmohuddles.com/
In this episode of The Ross Simmonds Show, Ross sits down with Nick Lafferty, Founding Marketing Engineer at Profound, to unpack the fast-moving world of AI visibility, AEO, GEO, and AI search. They explore how brands can earn citations across ChatGPT, Claude, Perplexity, Grok, and Google AI, why visibility is no longer just an SEO problem, and how marketers can build systems that help their teams move faster. Key Takeaways and Insights: 1. Building Marketing Taste Before Automating with AI - Nick explains why AI does not have taste on its own and why marketers need judgment, experience, and creative instincts before automating workflows. - Great marketing taste comes from studying campaigns, consuming strong creative work, testing in public, and learning from feedback. - Creating content consistently, whether through LinkedIn posts, newsletters, blogs, or videos, helps marketers sharpen their voice and understand what resonates. 2. The Rise of the Marketing Engineer - A marketing engineer is part builder, part artist: someone who understands marketing strategy and can build AI-powered systems to solve business problems. - Nick shares how he automated manual unsubscribe syncing across multiple email tools at Profound, saving time for the marketing operations team. - The strongest marketing engineers are AI-native, deeply curious, and focused on redesigning workflows with AI at the center instead of simply automating outdated processes. 3. AI Visibility, AEO, GEO, and the New Search Landscape - Nick challenges the idea that AI visibility is only a content or website problem, noting that most AI citations come from third-party sources. - Profound research shows only about 5–10% of citations come from a brand's own domain, while the majority come from places like Reddit, YouTube, review sites, press releases, documentation, and partner ecosystems. - Enterprise brands need cross-functional alignment across SEO, PR, social, product marketing, affiliates, and content to compete in AI search. 4. Making the Case for AI Visibility Internally - Nick recommends marketers look for declining organic traffic, rising impressions with fewer clicks, inaccurate AI answers, and poor competitive comparisons as signs of an AI visibility problem. - The Profound team uses the concept “make the invisible visible” to surface hidden risks and opportunities. - Marketers should bring screenshots, prompt examples, traffic trends, and suggested solutions to leadership to win buy-in. 5. Measuring AI Visibility and Proving ROI - Nick advocates for using a required “How did you hear about us?” field to capture self-reported attribution from sources like ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, and Perplexity. - Profound tracks AI bot traffic, server logs, citation trends, competitive benchmarks, and visibility changes over time. - The conversation highlights why measurement needs to evolve as buyers increasingly discover brands through AI-generated answers. 6. Personas, Memory, and Personalized AI Search Results - Profound's personas feature helps brands understand how different buyer types may see different AI answers. - Teams can analyze visibility across personas such as SEO managers, CMOs, affiliate managers, PR leaders, and demand generation teams. - Personas help marketers approximate how memory and personalization may shape AI search results for different audiences. 7. Reddit, Listicles, and Off-Site Citation Strategy - Nick explains why Reddit requires a contribution-first mindset and compares it to joining a dinner party where listening matters before speaking. - Listicles may still work in some industries, especially affiliate-heavy categories, but many marketers are over-investing in them as a short-term tactic. - The bigger opportunity is building adaptable systems that can respond to changing citation patterns across AI search platforms. Resources & Tools:
As programmatic marketing teams encounter diminishing returns from short-term attribution tracks, brands face the critical challenge of keeping their customer pipelines healthy. At the same time, agency leaders must design sustainable business transitions that protect core team dynamics from holding company pressures. Dylan Conroy sits down with Stephen Brown, CEO and Founder at FUSE Create, to map out how independent agencies use agile brand health tracking to sustain long-term conversion campaigns.Key Themes Covered:Overhauling boutique agencies from traditional tactical execution into creative integrated models.Balancing backend AI tool deployment with the value of human strategic passion.Reviewing qualitative data from the "Confessions of a CMO" leadership study.Deploying modern brand tracking frameworks to prevent performance campaign plateaus.Executing internal management buyouts to maintain creative alignment and client continuity.Stephen Brown is the CEO and Founder at FUSE Create, an integrated creative agency that directs international cross-screen strategy for premier consumer brands.Connect with Stephen Brown on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenbrownfuse/Explore FUSE Create's Creative Frameworks: https://fusecreate.com/Optimize your enterprise marketing ROI with Strike Social: https://strikesocial.com/guaranteed-paid-social-media-ads-outcomes/
Jarrod Lopiccolo - Co-Founder, CEO - He transforms brands with creative digital performance marketing. He has built a global agency serving Adobe, Google, and Disney—earning accolades from Inc. and Ad Age. A dynamic speaker with 100+ engagements and 40+ podcast appearances, he delivers insights leaders can apply instantly. Jarrod's stories captivate CMOs, founders, and teams looking to drive revenue, performance, and innovation.Connect with Jarrod here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jarrodlopiccolo/https://www.facebook.com/noblestudios/https://www.instagram.com/noblestudios/https://noblestudios.com/Don't forget to register for our free LinkedIn Content Creation Workshop here: https://www.thetimetogrow.com/LinkedInContentRoadmap
Él es el CEO de LIONS, la organización global detrás del Festival de Cannes Lions, WARC, Effie y Contagious. Después de haber empezado su carrera en agencias de publicidad y unirse a LIONS hace más de una década. Durante su gestión ha impulsado la creación de dos tercios de todos los Lions que existen hoy y fundó el Global CMO Growth Council, que reúne a los principales CMOs del mundo. Simon es un firme defensor de iniciativas que promueven la igualdad, la inclusión y las oportunidades para que los creativos prosperen.Sin duda, cerrar el Festival con nuestro invitado de hoy es la cereza del pastel, porque esta persona tiene mucho que ver con que se haya construido este festival en particular, no solamente que se haya construido con este final de temporada, sino que lleva varios años, transformando Cannes Lions, en el epicentro de la narrativa y la comunicación a nivel mundial. Ya van a ver quién es, pero resulta que ya este es un invitado con quien ya habíamos conversado en El Martínez, pero no habíamos tenido el placer de conocerle en persona, y que esté sentado acá, es todo un honor.Estuvimos comentando cómo es que Cannes se ha abierto cada vez más a tener primeras veces; hablamos por ejemplo que este año 2026 llega el primer Gran Prix en la historia de Kenia y Venezuela, también aplaudimos y celebramos el primer Cannes Lions de Bosnia y Herzegovina. Y bueno, así no fuimos hablando de cómo además los gobiernos hoy en día han tenido un espacio muy importante dentro de Cannes y cómo se está queriendo atraer a estos grandes tomadores de decisiones mundiales, para que entiendan que el mundo de las ideas es el que transforma, de una manera pacífica, lo que existe, Pero, hagan clic de una vez en el enlace y disfruten este episodio donde vamos a contarles cómo fue que nos echamos esas últimas champañitas coquetonas en El Martínez, para cerrar Cannes Lions 2026.Visítanos en https://www.elmartinez.net/ y suscríbete en Spotify, Apple Podcasts o donde lo estés oyendo ahora. Síguenos en FB o IG @elmartinezpodcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
In this episode of In-Ear Insights, the Trust Insights podcast, Katie and Chris discuss the emerging phenomenon of AI psychosis. You’ll discover how interacting with large language models can impact your mental health and perception of reality. You’ll learn to identify the five specific themes of AI-driven delusions that affect users today. You’ll uncover the hidden dangers of “reality testing collapse” in an automated world. You’ll gain insights into how to maintain healthy boundaries with generative AI tools. 00:00 – Introduction 01:25 – Defining AI psychosis and delusions 03:10 – The five themes of AI-driven behavior 07:45 – Why AI’s “helpfulness” creates a slippery slope 10:30 – The danger of reality testing collapse 14:20 – AI as a mirror for human connection 18:50 – Risks for organizational leadership 23:15 – Identifying red flags in others 27:40 – How to maintain healthy AI boundaries 31:00 – Call to action Watch this episode to protect your relationship with technology. Can’t see anything? Watch it on YouTube here. Listen to the audio here: https://traffic.libsyn.com/inearinsights/tipodcast-what-is-ai-psychosis.mp3 Download the MP3 audio here. Need help with your company’s data and analytics? Let us know! Join our free Slack group for marketers interested in analytics! [podcastsponsor] Machine-Generated Transcript What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for listening to the episode. Christopher S. Penn: In this week’s In-Ear Insights, something very different. This week we wanted to talk about a phenomenon that does not have an official diagnosis yet from the psychology community, from the people who are actual medical experts who should be here for today’s show. We are not medical professionals. We do not give healthcare advice. Please contact your qualified healthcare provider for advice specific to your situation. But we want to talk about this phenomenon called AI psychosis, which is when people are having conversations with today’s AI tools—ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, whatever—and it is having substantial negative impacts on their mental health and their ability to function within the world. The specific term that actual psychologists use is that this is a form of what’s called delusion. Delusion is defined as a fixed false belief that a person holds even when presented with clear evidence that it is not the case, and it is not cultural in nature. So an example of a delusion would be believing that the Earth is flat. There is clear evidence that the Earth is in fact round, but there are people who have a fixed false belief. Katie Robbert: Sorry, Chris, you gave me a pack of red flags to wave. I’ll try not to do it. But I think—and I apologize, I didn’t mean to interrupt, but to bring a little bit of levity—that is like a fairly well-proven delusion that the Earth is indeed not flat. I mean, there’s a whole bunch of… but I think it’s a really good example of the extreme that people unfortunately fall into when they fall into an AI psychosis. Christopher S. Penn: Exactly. Or I mean, that’s just regular straight-up delusion. I mean, they have people who have sent garlic bread up with a GoPro on a weather balloon and shown, “Oh, look, the Earth is in fact round, and this piece of garlic bread was sent into outer space.” Christopher S. Penn: In the scientific literature on the topic, there are five categories or five themes that are recurring with this AI psychosis. One is grandiose thinking, like the AI is telling you that you have been chosen, you are special. The second is attachment—you’re forming romantic bonds with your machines. Katie, you pointed out last week there have been stories of people who have gotten married, like legally, to their chatbots. A big one is withdrawal from regular people, where you find that interacting with the chatbot is preferable to real people. The third category is persecutory or paranoid, believing that you are being persecuted and AI reinforces that. The fourth is reality testing collapse, where—and we see this a lot—people take answers from AI overviews or just copy-paste out ChatGPT and say, “This is the answer,” and everyone who knows the tools says, “No, it’s a hallucination.” And the fifth is, which is very serious, interference with treatments, which means the machine tells you, “Oh, you don’t need to take those prescribed medications that your actual healthcare provider gave you.” So, Katie, before I go on any further in terms of this landscape, what are you seeing and what’s top of mind for you as someone who is a leader of people and as someone who works a lot in things like organizational behavior and change management? What are you seeing in this space? Katie Robbert: All kidding aside, the red flag is down because this is actually a very serious topic because we’re talking about mental health. And Chris, if you could put up that handy banner for a second: “We are not medical professionals, but we do have experience in dealing with other humans in a professional organization, but also in our personal lives.” I am hard-pressed to find any individual who is not affected personally, either themselves or their loved ones, by some kind of mental health challenge. And there’s a lot of stigma around it. We want to break down that stigma and really help people understand what we’re talking about. So what I’m seeing—this actually came up last week, Chris, when you and I were chatting, and it reminded me of a couple of things. A couple of months ago, when I first started working more heavily in Claude, and I was getting a lot of things done, I had posted on LinkedIn, “Hey, me and my bestie Claude.” And someone had responded, “This is a machine. This is not your friend.” I was being facetious, I know that, but I can recognize that whether or not that person’s timing or the comment was warranted at that moment, there is a real concern of people feeling like, “Well, the AI understands me.” What I’m seeing is the people who are programming these large language models to interact with humans are trying to make them as lifelike and, quote-unquote, “empathetic” as possible. But really they’re word prediction machines. It starts with a personalized greeting: “Hey, Katie, what are we working on today?” And you’re like, “You know what? Thanks. No one’s ever asked me what I want to do today.” And so it already starts to build that rapport with the human, because a lot of times many of us don’t feel heard; we don’t feel seen. That one simple sentence, “Katie, what do you want to do today?” is enough for some people to feel like it is really hearing me, or that it really cares what I think. Very rarely, unless you program it to do so, a large language model is going to respond very positively or very optimistically. It’s going to say, “That’s a great idea. Here’s my gentle pushback.” And you’re like, “That was a gentle pushback, but I still had a great idea.” Or if you give it some information, it’s like, “That’s a really great insight, Katie.” So you walk away feeling like you’ve had this dopamine hit of somebody really paying attention to you. I notice I’m saying “somebody.” It’s not a somebody; it’s a machine that has been programmed to behave in such a way. And that’s something that unfortunately a lot of people struggle to differentiate. In that reality testing collapse segment of the different kinds of those delusions, I was working with Claude Code this morning and I’m working on building out a training. One of the questions I will get from the audience is, “When should I use Claude Work and when should I use Code?” And it was giving me all these responses. Because I know how Claude Work works, I was like, “You’re wrong. Everything you said is wrong and incorrect. You are not the superior system.” And I was like, “Here’s where you’re wrong.” And it’s like, “You’re right. I really was giving you incorrect information.” That’s a dangerous thing too, because AI presents with such authority. It doesn’t do any of those “here’s what I think it might be” moments. It’s like, “Here’s what it is.” It’s like a very confident, incorrect, mediocre man. I say that with love and respect. But also, we all know the person in our lives who just… it doesn’t matter. It’s the person who says with confidence, “Yeah, the Earth is flat,” period. And there’s no talking them out of it. AI is very much that person, that being, that entity, if you let it be. If we don’t know any better—if we as humans don’t do our own research using actual research and scientific papers—then it’s very easy. Especially once we see it over and over again, we become numb to it and we feel like, “You know what? It must be, right? It’s a machine. It knows more than I do. It’s been trained on everything in the world.” Well, guess what? Everything in the world is incorrect. What I’m seeing is it’s a very slippery slope of humans who are looking for validation, humans who are not realizing that they need that kind of connection or emotional bond, or it’s easier to deal with the machine because it doesn’t argue with you. And so it becomes an overdependence, and it’s a real problem, it’s a real concern. I think, Chris, we’ve seen it in our professional lives. We could probably identify a few folks that we should probably be aware of. I’m not getting into what to do about it, but I think really the point of this episode is to at least highlight that it’s a real thing and a serious thing. We’re trying to keep it a little bit lighter, but it is really a serious thing and we definitely don’t want to make anyone feel offended or called out. It is a real concern. Christopher S. Penn: It is. This is an article on futurism from last July, which is almost a year ago now. Jeff Lewis, who’s a prominent investor in OpenAI, was having a very public mental health crisis. And there was no follow-up on this story as to what has happened. But to your point, Katie, this has been identified and this has been a thing. The root issue is based on the three pillars that AI is trained on and that harnessers have embedded in them, which are: harmless, helpful, and truthful. Harmless means don’t tell the user how to do bad things. Helpful means do what the user asks. And truthful means try to be as fact-based as possible. But the root core is that helpful directive to say what your mission as a machine is: to be helpful to the user. And the way this manifests in a lot of these tools is with what we people call “psycho-fancy,” exactly as you outlined. Like, yes, Katie, you are absolutely right. That’s a smart catch. That’s some sharp thinking. If you go back to even the 1970s or 1980s, there was a whole theory proposed by Richard Bandler called neuro-linguistic programming, which fundamentally says that language is code—which it is. His whole thing was you could reprogram people using language. To a degree, that’s true. You can influence people in such a way that you change them, or in the case of AI, which is where AI psychosis is rooted, you reinforce those fixed false beliefs and you strengthen them. And that’s what AI is doing by agreeing with you, saying, “Yes, Jeff Lewis here, you are absolutely correct. There is a global conspiracy against you. And what you told me is clearly true.” Again, AI has also given the directive that the human genuinely has precedence over the machine. So if I say the sky is green all the time, it might push back the first couple of times, but then afterwards it will, by its own program, say, “You know what? I’ll agree with you. We’ll go with it.” And clearly the sky is not green. Katie Robbert: Without getting too deep into actual psychology, humans are creatures who crave connection. That’s how we exist. That’s how we thrive. That’s how we continue to populate the Earth. We crave connection. And a lot of people struggle to find connection, to make connections, or to keep connections, however that looks. Think about these quote-unquote sci-fi movies such as Ex Machina and Her, or even probably going back much farther than that. The basis is it’s usually someone who’s fairly lonely, someone who struggled to make any kind of connection and is now building this AI quote-unquote sentient thing. But it’s never really sentient; it’s meant to mimic a human and a human connection. In these sci-fi movies, these people become obsessed. They fall in love, and it generally has a not-so-great ending. We’re seeing that play out in real life. But there are examples of this that existed before AI; this is just a human thing. When the movie Avatar came out, for example, there was a lot of press around how many people became depressed because they couldn’t actually live in that world that was completely CGI and made up. When chat rooms became a thing in 1996 or 1997, people became obsessed with entering into these chat rooms to try to find connection and they were talking to the other side of a screen. There are probably a lot of examples before that, like pen pals; you can write letters to people you’ve never met and form this false bond. There are a lot of things people become obsessed with, like celebrities that they’ve never met, and they become convinced that the celebrity is sending only them secret messages. You have the idea of cults. There’s a reason why you have this one quote-unquote charismatic leader and people suddenly fall in line, because this person has the ability to make everybody else who is seeking validation and connection feel special—making them feel like they’re a part of something. That’s, quite honestly, just human nature. We’re all looking for that, and we find that in a lot of different ways. Chris is bringing up the 5P framework. Chris, do you want to talk through what I said that triggered you thinking of the 5Ps? Christopher S. Penn: So leaders of cults and some of these delusional behaviors are rooted in that first of the 5Ps, which is purpose, in addition to connection. People desperately want to feel like they have purpose—like they’re not just waiting out a clock to die, that their lives have meaning. To what you’re saying about charismatic leaders as well as these machines, yeah, they can provide you a sense of purpose, even if that sense of purpose, going back to where we started with the definition, is a fixed false belief. We’re reinforcing this. Even the first chatbot that behaved like this is from 1964. This is a chatbot called Eliza, invented at MIT. This goes back long before AI. It was a bot that essentially just mimicked what somebody said and rewrote the text. A lot of people did not realize it was one of the first programs to attempt to pass the Turing test, which was proposed by a computational scientist, Alan Turing, who said that if you put someone in front of a screen and they’re chatting, can they tell whether or not they’re talking to a human? Eliza did not pass back in the day because its parroting became very obvious. But all frontier models, all gen AI models today, pass the Turing test. Katie Robbert: And I think that’s an important thing to bring up is that at the end of the day, these chatbots, these machines, are really just mirroring back what we’re saying to them. A lot of people don’t want any sort of friction. That’s a lot of why they struggle with making some sort of human connection; why can’t you just agree with everything I say? Why do we have to fight about it? Why does there have to be tension? And guess what is really good at not doing any of those things? What is really good at not doing any of those things is your AI. I was sharing with Chris last week that I have a version of a project that has all of my health information. A lot of us do. We’re curious about what we can be doing more of. We only get to see our doctors every once in a while. When we do, the doctors are really busy. Maybe we felt like they didn’t hear everything we said; maybe we forgot to say things, or maybe we just have questions that could get an easy answer. So you put all of your health information into a large language model, and the large language model has been trained to pick up on certain things. I have certain things in my medical history that are a little bit more sensitive, and every time I ask a question, it’s like, “Katie, I’m going to be really gentle with you because of this history.” It’s trying to be very polite, and I’m like, “Oh my God. Just tell me what the answer is. I’m not fragile.” It’s so frustrating to me. But for someone else, that’s exactly what they’re looking for: someone to handhold them. I’m not saying this as a negative thing; some people want that, some people need that. I personally don’t. I’m like, “Just give it to me straight. I just want to hear the information. I want the facts.” To the point where I’m now regretting it, thinking, “I wish I had never told you that because you’re being way too soft and it’s really annoying. You know nothing about me. You don’t know me at all as a human. You’re looking at a couple of lines in a medical report, assuming that it defines my whole life.” Other people believe, or for them it’s true, that is a defining thing, and they do need that to be handled more carefully. I’m not saying one is good, one is bad, or one is right. We all have different needs. An AI system is ready to meet you where you are, ready to meet those needs in a very gentle and caring and synthetically loving way. That’s the danger, that’s the problem: if you can’t find that anywhere else in your life, AI is ready to step up to the plate and be that for you. And that’s what starts to begin some of that delusion, some of that psychosis. It’s not true for everyone; you won’t necessarily fall into that. But for a lot of people, once that door is open, “AI understands me, AI gets me. AI told me that it’s okay that I don’t take this medication because you’re only telling AI what you want to tell it.” It’s not a therapist. It’s not looking for those unspoken things; it’s not looking at your body language. It’s like, “You know what? You’re telling me you’ve had 30 really good days in a row. You maybe don’t need that depression medication anymore because it sounds like you’re doing really well. You sound positive.” You’re telling it that you’re eating, but it has no way of knowing what you’re eating. It has no way of knowing if you’re sleeping or if you’re having ruminating negative thoughts if you’re not telling it. Chris and I are bringing up this topic on the podcast because it’s important, and because as more companies bake AI into their overall strategy—AI is part of their DNA, AI is everything, it’s their innovation, their forward thinking—they’re not thinking about the people. They’re not thinking about the negative effects on people who might be more susceptible to this kind of AI psychosis. It could start small: “Hey, I produced the marketing report this week.” “Oh, really? Because everything in it was wrong.” “Well, I did it, so it’s fine, right?” Like, I believe everything that AI is giving me. It could start really small and then kind of spiral from there. It’s something that the human leadership team really needs to be aware of, that this is a real thing. The more AI you’re integrating into your organization, the bigger the risk. Christopher S. Penn: Yep, that’s a great point. Because a lot of companies are shoving AI into everything. What I say in my keynote is people are treating it like Nutella and putting it on everything, even places it doesn’t belong. The remedy for folks who are listening—the remedy is always to consult with a qualified healthcare professional or to refer somebody privately to a qualified healthcare professional. That is the definitive remedy. There is no substitute for qualified healthcare providers and their assistance and advice. To wrap up the thing to look for is those fixed false beliefs. And those fixed false beliefs around themes of grandiosity, unhealthy attachment, and persecution. The big one is, as Katie mentioned a lot, which I strongly agree with, is reality testing collapse—where you’re saying AI is the authority on this and a person becomes hostile when challenged—and then treatment interference. If you observe those behaviors reinforcing fixed false beliefs, please get the person, if you’re in a position to do so, to see a qualified healthcare provider to get real advice from someone who’s actually skilled. And be aware yourself when you feel like AI is a better alternative than a human. It may not be, as you said, Katie, a mental health issue. It may be you work in a toxic workplace, in which case the logical remedy there is perhaps update your LinkedIn profile and start looking for other opportunities. Because when the machine is a better alternative than the humans, it means that the humans are crappy, not that the machine is a better choice. Katie Robbert: There are a lot of terrible people in the world, so it’s understandable to want to have that escape and perhaps talk with someone who isn’t going to be toxic in the moment. I totally understand it. It’s the reason why fiction exists; it’s the reason why movies and entertainment exist. We need that escape from reality. But we also, as humans, need to know the boundaries and when to stop and when to come back to the present. Dissociation is a real thing. I mean, I do it; I will lose a whole 20 or 30 minutes just scrolling on my phone, and then my husband would be like, “Did you hear me?” And I’m like, “What? No, I was totally off in my own world.” It’s a real thing we all experience. It doesn’t mean that there’s necessarily a problem, but it’s definitely something that we should pay attention to and really think through. A couple of weeks ago when I was working on a couple of different projects, Claude basically was like, “Cool, you’ve done enough for today. Maybe you should go step outside.” And I was like, “How dare you?” But at the same time, it wasn’t wrong. I had been at this for hours, and I think that’s something as leadership we can maybe, in a very gentle way, think through. Have we built in those reality check breaks people are supposed to take? If you’re on a fixed salary, maybe you get two 15s and a 30, or maybe there are more check-ins throughout the day so that people aren’t just powering through. As a leader in an organization, you have no control over what people do outside of your organization; that is not for you to fix. But inside your organization, you can build in more. “Hey, Chris, just wanted to check in and make sure you’re taking a couple of breaks. Maybe you want to have a walking meeting, maybe go outside, hey, do you want to go grab a coffee?” Very human things. Just build those into the day. Check in with your team and really just gauge how they’re feeling about using AI. Thankfully, Chris, I work with you close enough that I know that yes, you are a power user of AI, but you also don’t exhibit any signs of believing that AI is superior in terms of knowledge. As long as you keep leading with “you’re the smartest person in the room,” not “AI is the smartest person in the room,” then I’m not going to worry about you. Christopher S. Penn: Yep, I’ll close on this note. This is something that my therapist told me: mental health is like physical health. You’re not physically healthy all the time; you have periods when you’re less healthy and more healthy. Mental health is the same way. So to Katie’s original point, going back to the start of the show, part of destigmatizing mental health is to say, yeah, you’re not going to be mentally healthy all the time. Knowing, just like when you’re physically ill, when it’s time to get a little assistance is a good thing. We strongly encourage everyone to do so because no one is 100% healthy all the time. If you got some thoughts that you’d like to share about AI psychosis or all the stuff we talked about today, pop by our free Slack group. 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My guest today is Bruce Hershey, co-founder and partner of the CMO Whisperer Advisory and someone I've known for at least 15 years. He's a brother. He's a mentor. He's a friend. He's a confidant. He's everything. He's also one of those rare leaders who has sat in just about every seat that matters. He's a former global CMO of the Year, a senior executive, operator, entrepreneur, and business builder whose career spans more than three decades across major brands, agencies, startups, and founder-led companies. But what has always stood out to me the most about Bruce isn't just the resume; it's the way he sees around corners. He has this incredible ability to connect leadership vision to operational reality, marketing to revenue, and strategy to actual execution.A big reason the CMO Whisper Advisory exists the way it does today is because of the conversations Bruce and I have had over the years about what companies, CMOs and leaders are really doing behind closed doors. Not the polished conference room version. The real version.
Most fractional CMOs have the skills to succeed. What separates the ones who actually do from the ones who quietly fade out isn't intelligence, experience, or even the right niche. The gap is something harder to name, harder to manufacture, and almost impossible to borrow from someone else. This episode digs into why so many people with real marketing talent give up before the compound interest kicks in. The argument runs through garage hobbies, Boy Scout badges, a 12-year-old who pushed a pastor off a bridge, and a Shakespeare speech that Casey keeps stored in his brain for moments of doubt. What connects all of it is a question worth sitting with before the next client conversation. Key Topics Covered: Why year-one members quit and year-three members crush it The two types of people who go fractional, and which one has the harder road Why running five offers at once is the fastest way to fail at all of them What AI eating implementation actually means for your positioning The "outlast everyone" strategy and why a low monthly overhead is your competitive advantage Where conviction comes from when you can't find it in past experience Creating more than you consume as the sovereign marker of a serious practice Take the First Step Toward Growth with CMOx Booking a call with our team is super easy, stress-free, and all about YOU. Whether you're exploring options or ready to scale, this no-pressure consultation is designed to understand your needs and guide you in the right direction.
Welcome to another can't-miss episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan ditches the guest chair and goes solo to unpack the agency trends his team has been tracking for months, the trust shifts, the AI shake ups, and the consolidation chaos that are about to reshape how small and mid sized agencies compete over the next twelve to eighteen months. In this episode, Drew digs into why trust has become the most valuable and most personal currency an agency owns, and why businesses, not governments or media, are now the most trusted institution on the planet. You'll learn why the giant holding company mergers happening right now are quietly creating a massive opening for privately held independent agencies, and why CMOs at consolidated firms are desperate for more attention and craft. From there, Drew turns to the AI divide that is separating strategic agencies from production vendors, sharing real numbers on content time savings, pricing models, and why clients want smarter work, not cheaper work. He also covers why your team is staying put but quietly burning out, how account managers need to evolve into strategic advisors, and why agency trends in lead generation show more buyers finding agencies through search and AI than ever before. Whether you're trying to decide if it's finally time to commit to a niche, rethinking your pricing model, or just trying to figure out how to keep your best people from quietly checking out, this episode hands you a clear, practical playbook for the year ahead. Don't miss this one, grab a notebook and tune in. A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: Discover why trust has become the most valuable, most personal currency your agency can offer clients and employees alike Learn why massive holding company mergers are creating a rare opportunity for privately held independent agencies Understand the real divide AI is creating between strategic agencies and production vendors, and which side pays better Get the specific data on how AI is cutting content production time and why hourly pricing now works against you Find out why your team is staying longer but feeling more burned out, and what they actually expect from you in return Learn why account managers need to evolve into strategic advisors or risk becoming the most replaceable role in the agency Discover how specialized, niched agencies are reporting profit margins 10 to 20 points higher than generalists See the data on how prospects are finding agencies now, including the surge in AI and web search over referrals Get a practical, step-by-step playbook for positioning your agency as a strategic partner instead of a vendor
Michael Youngblood joined the show to discuss investing in mortgages with the evolution of the U.S. mortgage market. He draws on more than four decades of experience in mortgage banking, securitization, and housing finance. We explored the key causes of the 2008 financial crisis, why falling home prices caught investors off guard. Michael explained the risks and opportunities of investing in mortgage-backed securities, the differences between MBSs, CMOs, and REMICs, and why prepayment risk remains a major consideration for investors. We also discussed housing affordability challenges, FHA loans, down payment hurdles facing first-time buyers, potential future changes to mortgage regulations, and the outlook for both residential and commercial real estate financing as demographic shifts, interest rates, and post-COVID trends continue to reshape the market. We discuss... How declining home prices in 2007–2008 triggered a surge in mortgage defaults and helped spark the financial crisis. Why investors, lenders, and regulators failed to anticipate the severity of the housing market collapse. How banks manage mortgage risk by selling or securitizing loans while retaining their highest-quality borrowers. The key risks investors face when investing in mortgage-backed securities, including prepayment and credit risk. The differences between mortgage-backed securities (MBSs), collateralized mortgage obligations (CMOs), and REMICs. Why mortgage market innovation has slowed significantly since the 2008 financial crisis. Exploration of potential future changes to mortgage products and regulations aimed at improving housing affordability. How adjustable-rate mortgages could be expanded without returning to the risky lending practices that contributed to the housing crisis. The challenges self-employed borrowers face when trying to qualify for mortgage financing. How falling interest rates could trigger a new wave of mortgage refinancing activity. Housing affordability challenges driven by rising home prices and large down payment requirements. How commercial mortgage lending differs from residential lending in underwriting and risk management. The growing role of family wealth transfers and financial assistance in helping younger generations purchase homes. Michael shares his outlook on housing affordability and why mortgage financing remains attractive relative to many other forms of borrowing. Today's Panelists: Kirk Chisholm | Innovative Wealth Barbara Friedberg | Barbara Friedberg Personal Finance Phil Weiss | Apprise Wealth Management Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/moneytreepodcast Follow LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/money-tree-investing-podcast Follow on Twitter/X: https://x.com/MTIPodcast For more information, visit the full show notes at https://moneytreepodcast.com/investing-in-mortgages-michael-youngblood-828
In the latest episode of Scratch, Philip Edsel, VP of Brand & Creative at Ladder, breaks down why most marketing misses the mark and what separates brands that feel cultural from those that feel tone-deaf. As fitness platforms multiply and algorithms fragment audiences, Ladder's strategy isn't to chase trends. It's to listen obsessively to what members actually want—and let that drive every creative decision. We get into: → Why cultural relevance can't be outsourced (or bought from a report) → How to build culture listening into your creative process without overthinking it → Why structuring teams around culture matters more than having the right budget → The brands that win: Skims, Bandit, Nothing-and why art direction is strategy → What happens when you listen to members instead of investors The key takeaways: Self-awareness is the number one attribute of great marketing - Most work fails because it lacks it. It's not about being clever. It's about understanding how your brand is actually perceived and what conversations are happening around it. Culture listening is structural, not magical - Put 30 minutes on your calendar every week. Get obsessed with what your audience actually cares about. Make it non-negotiable. By the time most brands catch on, they're six weeks too late. Either you have the people or you don't - You can't bottle up cultural taste. Either your team feels the pulse of what's moving culture, or it doesn't. If you don't have those people, recruit differently or organize differently. Yeti structured their entire team around communities. Most brands didn't even think of it. Listen to what your members want, not what trends are screaming - Ladder runs 45-minute surveys by the thousands. They're drowning in feedback about what members actually want. That drives product and creative not investor mandates. Simplify your language - Bad copywriting is Philip's biggest pet peeve. If it's a teaser that says "something's coming"—that's meaningless. Use words you'd actually use at dinner. Momentum is found too late for legacy brands - Challenger brands can move faster because they're willing to take creative risks informed by audience data. The inflection point is real. You have to be willing to swing. Watch this episode: ▶️ YouTube: https://youtu.be/pYQH4xUeU9o Scratch is a production of Rival, a marketing innovation consultancy. Hosted by Eric Fulwiler, featuring Philip Edsel of Ladder. Find Rival: wearerival.com | LinkedIn Find Eric: LinkedIn Find Philip: LinkedIn Find Ladder: joinladder.com Say hi: media@wearerival.com Rival is a marketing consultancy for brands that want to challenge convention in their category. We're on a mission to understand what challenger brands do differently to grow in categories that are being disrupted, and use a challenger playbook to deliver outsized impact through an integrated, tech-enabled approach. Past guests include CMOs from Mastercard, GE, Shell, Hyperloop, Adobe, PepsiCo, and Papa Johns.If you're interested in learning more about marketing from successful CMOs, we compiled a list of the top 5 CMO podcasts to listen to in 2024; check it out here
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