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Principle 18 – Our Unshakeable Foundation Psalm 18:1-50We must always build our spiritual lives on Jesus Christ, who is a solid foundation that will never fail.NEW! - Let us know what you think of the program! Support the show
The Denver Nuggets won in OT against the worst in the west New Orleans Pelicans despite a distinct lack of effort for the first 3 quarters. It's a complicated one, but Jokic had another triple double, and Jamal Murray continues to improve his play. What can we take away from this game? Harrison Wind, Brendan Vogt, Duvalier Johnson, and D-Line CO. come to you LIVE from the DNVR Bar to break down everything you need to know in this postgame edition of the DNVR Nuggets Podcast.Start - 0:00Fast recap - 3:00Dev's big takeaway - 5:50D-Line's big takeaway - 7:20Vogt's big takeaway - 9:40Wind's big takeaway - 11:55A season defining stat - 19:45A Jokic protest game? - 24:50We have to talk about MPJ - 33:45Westbrook - 40:00Game ball - 50:30Superchats - 52:50An ALLCITY Network ProductionPARTY WITH US: https://thednvr.com/eventsALL THINGS DNVR: https://linktr.ee/dnvrsportsMERCH: https://store.allcitynetwork.com/collections/dnvr-lockerSUBSCRIBE: https://www.youtube.com/c/DNVR_SportsBUY GOLDEN ERA: https://www.triumphbooks.com/golden-era-products-9781637273692.php?page_id=21bet365: Go to https://www.bet365.com/hub/en-us/app-hero-banner-1?utm_source=affiliate&utm_campaign=usapp&utm_medium=affiliate&affiliate=365_03485318 or use code DNVR365 when you sign up. Must be 21+ and physically located in CO. Please gamble responsibly. If you or someone you know has a gambling problem and wants help call or TEXT 1-800-GAMBLEREmpire Today: Schedule a free in-home estimate today! All listeners can receive a $350 OFF discount when they use the promo code DNVR. Restrictions apply. See https://empiretoday.com/dnvr for detailsGo to https://millerlite.com/dnvr to find delivery options near you. Or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. Tastes like Miller Time. Celebrate Responsibly. Miller Brewing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin.Visit Premier Members Credit Union to learn about their Reverse Tier Money Market https://www.pmcu.org/becomepremier/?utm_source=dnvr&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=nmdg&utm_content=nuggetsRugged Road: Gear up for your next adventure with Rugged Road Coolers - Your ultimate outdoor companion! Head to http://ruggedroadoutdoors.pxf.io/ALLCITY and use code DNVR for 10% off!Download the Circle K app and join the Inner Circle or visit https://www.circlek.com/inner-circle!Download the Gametime app, create an account, and use code DNVR for $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply.Check out FOCO merch and collectibles here https://foco.vegb.net/DNVRNugs and use promo code “DNVR10” for 10% off your order on all non Pre Order items.Exclusively for our listeners, Shady Rays is giving out their best deal of the season. Head to https://shadyrays.com and use code: DNVR for 35% off polarized sunglasses. Try for yourself the shades rated 5 stars by over 300,000 people.Birdcall: Right now, DNVR fans can score 20% off at Birdcall with promo code “DNVR”! Get down to Birdcall or order online at https://eatbirdcall.com and grab this offer now through the end of the month. Offer valid for any order of $10 or more. Limit 1 per guest per day. Not valid on catering orders or through 3rd party delivery sites.This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://betterhelp.com/dnvr today to get 10% off your first month and get on your way to being your best self.Get 10 FREE meals at https://hellofresh.com/freenuggets. Applied across 7 boxes, new subscribers only, varies by plan.When you shop through links in the description, we may earn affiliate commissions.Copyright Disclaimer under section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for “fair use” for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, education and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing.#Nuglife
Just Rantanen's third hat trick of the season as a barrage of goals from the Avs top line has the Avs getting more accustom to easy wins Intro - 0:00First thoughts - 1:50We are so back - 9:46Three Stars - 16:00Worried about Mikko's contract? - 43:00Negatives - 47:50Coming up - 54:00Final thoughts - 56:20Superchats - 57:25 An ALLCITY Network Production PARTY WITH US: https://thednvr.com/events ALL THINGS DNVR: https://linktr.ee/dnvrsports MERCH: https://store.allcitynetwork.com/collections/dnvr-locker SUBSCRIBE: https://www.youtube.com/c/DNVR_Sports bet365: Go to https://www.bet365.com/olp/open-account?affiliate=365_02162536 or use code DNVR365 when you sign up. All new customers receive 2 months of Altitude+ courtesy of bet365! Must be 21+ and physically located in CO. Please gamble responsibly. If you or someone you know has a gambling problem and wants help call or TEXT 1-800-GAMBLER Indeed: listeners of this show will get a $75 SPONSORED JOB CREDIT to get your jobs more visibility at https://indeed.com/allcity. Terms and conditions apply. Need to hire? You need Indeed. Empire Today: Schedule a free in-home estimate today! All listeners can receive a $350 OFF discount when they use the promo code DNVR. Restrictions apply. See https://empiretoday.com/dnvr for details Coach Prime wants to help you and other Coloradans be your healthiest selves as the Chief Motivation Officer of UCHealth's Ready. Set. CO challenge. If you want to join the challenge, go to https://www.uchealth.org/readysetco Get Coors Light delivered straight to your door with Instacart by going to https://coorslight.com/DNVR. Celebrate Responsibly. Coors Brewing Company, Golden, Colorado. Visit Premier Members Credit Union to learn about their Reverse Tier Money Market https://www.pmcu.org/becomepremier/?utm_source=dnvr&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=nmdg&utm_content=avalanche Rugged Road: Gear up for your next adventure with Rugged Road Coolers - Your ultimate outdoor companion! Head to http://ruggedroadoutdoors.pxf.io/ALLCITY and use code DNVR for 10% off! Bluechew: Try BlueChew FREE when you use our promo code ALLCITY at checkout--just pay $5 shipping. That's https://bluechew.com promo code ALLCITY to receive your first month FREE. Visit for more details and important safety information, and we thank BlueChew for sponsoring the podcast. Download the Circle K app and join the Inner Circle or visit https://www.circlek.com/inner-circle! Download the Gametime app, create an account, and use code DNVR for $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. Check out FOCO merch and collectibles here https://foco.vegb.net/DNVR and use promo code “DNVR10” for 10% off your order on all non Pre Order items. Exclusively for our listeners, Shady Rays is giving out their best deal of the season. Head to https://shadyrays.com and use code: DNVR for 35% off polarized sunglasses. Try for yourself the shades rated 5 stars by over 300,000 people. This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try athttps://betterhelp.com/dnvr today to get 10% off your first month and get on your way to being your best self. Get 10 FREE meals at https://hellofresh.com/freeavalanche. Applied across 7 boxes, new subscribers only, varies by plan. When you shop through links in the description, we may earn affiliate commissions. Copyright Disclaimer under section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for “fair use” for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, education and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing.#coloradoavalanche #hockey #hockeypodcast
AI and the future of mental health with Dr Rachael SkewsWelcome to the Business of Psychology podcast. I'm really excited to be interviewing Dr Rachael Skews, a psychologist, coach, trainer, supervisor, speaker, advisor, researcher, and author. She is an internationally recognized subject matter expert in acceptance and commitment coaching and has a really interesting background working with tech companies, including Headspace, to develop effective and ethical behaviour change initiatives. I saw Rachael giving a webinar for the International Society for Coaching Psychology, and I knew I had to ask her to be a guest on this podcast because I found her insight into how the emerging AI technology could support and enhance our work, so refreshing and so fascinating. I get kind of scared by the unbridled enthusiasm for tech that the tech community often has. But I'm also really uncomfortable with the alarmism and pessimism that the mental health world often defaults to when we're faced with new stuff. So it was really great to hear a balanced view from somebody that really understands the ethical issues and potential pitfalls, but also embraces the excitement of the new technology. Full show notes and a transcript of this episode are available at The Business of PsychologyLinks for Rachael:LinkedIn: Rachael SkewsWebsite: www.cognuscoach.comOther Links:Reading Our Minds: The Rise of Big Data Psychiatry by Daniel BarronRosie on Instagram:@rosiegilderthorp@thepregnancypsychologistThe highlightsRachael tells us about who she is and her professional background 01:56We discuss human interaction and the role of technology in mental health 05:48I ask Rachael about working with other people from different backgrounds to psychology 19:23Rachael tells us about the opportunities she sees on the horizon for mental health professionals and AI 25:50We discuss wearable tech and using technology to get data that we wouldn't be able to get otherwise 30:43Rachael talks about managing sensitive data and GDPR 43:16We talk about the ethical considerations of using technology and AI 47:17Rachael tells us how we can find out more from her 54:12The Business Growth PackReady to grow your practice beyond one person and a laptop? We are here to support you to build a thriving, impactful and profitable business. Invest in our growth pack to confidently grow your service with associates, organisational work or passive income.Our unique package includes strategy and marketing training from Dr Rosie Gilderthorp, Founder of Psychology Business School, and legal contracts from Clare Veal, Commercial Lawyer from Aubergine Legal.Together, we will ensure that you have the strategy and documents you need for growth so you can expand your impact and income while maintaining your work-life balance.Sign up now: The Business Growth PackThank you so much for listening to the...
Matt. 12:22-50We can't stay neutral: everyone has to make a choice
This week Tyler is joined by Nom & we've both picked 3-4 of our favorite Anime of spring to give our final thoughts on! What's your thoughts on these shows? What's been your faves?Warning: This episode does contain spoilers! Time stamps are in the description below!!Nom's Twitch- https://www.twitch.tv/gaming_anomolyNom's Twitter / X - https://x.com/gaming_anomoly?s=21To join the Discord, follow us on our socials (we're on Threads / Insta, Twitter (X), Bluesky / Hive and Tumblr): https://Linktree.com/animedegensInterested in watch parties? We're going to start hosting some in our Discord! So join up and join us!The Degen Videos are on YouTube & Spotify now! So, Make sure you follow and like the videos over there at https://Linktree.com/animedegensPlease Rate us on your listening platforms and don't forget to tell your anime friends about us! It's the best way to support us and we really do appreciate y'all! Thanks for listening!!If you have any Feedback that you'd like to share or have Topics that you'd like for us to discuss on the Degen Episode, Please reach out to us on any of our Socials, Discord or click here!Interested in being a guest? Reach out to Tyler on Discord or Twitter / Threads!Next week starts our Summer Weekly Rundown Featuring My Deer Friend Nokotan, Tower of God Season 2 & One Piece!Time StampsIntro/News - 00:00Windbreaker - 14:00Girls Band Cry - 36:40Demon Slayer Hashira Training Arc - 42:20Jellyfish Can't Swim In The Night - 58:55Oblivion Battery - 01:03:20Train To The End Of The World - 01:21:20Mushoku Tensei S2 P2 - 01:26:50We talked about Kaiju No. 8 & Go! Go! Loser Ranger! on our Weekly Rundown Ep 74!Bass & Tyler did a spoiler free with a spoiler zone review of Dungeon Meshi on our Degen Ep 65! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
We are Myriam & Elyse, your Book Bound Besties! Follow along as we dive deep into your favourite books, have unhinged chats, and theorize about what's to come.This week we are covering Iron Flame Chapters 46, 47, 48, 49 & 50We have some very special guests with us! The House of Wind Bookclub is here! Meet out new book besties, Hannah and Amber. If you need to scratch the SJM itch, head over to their podcast, it's a fun one.We chat books! Butcher & Blackbird, ACOTAR, TOGMaybe the knot book wasn't all that weird of a giftIs Dain working that redemption arc?We continue the question game battleWe circle back on Melgren's dragon theoryWe're hitting the sparring mat!Elyse manages to ruin THE iconic line in the throne roomWe compare ‘throne' scenes - acotar spoilers aheadThere's yet another fight, but MAYBE they're getting somewhere?Dain and Violet start on the journalSPOILERS:ACOTAR: 00:15- 00:16ACOWAR: 58:00-59:00ACOMAF: 1:00:00-1:03:22Give our friends at House of Wind Bookclub a listen. Hannah and Amber are such fun hosts, if you like us, you'll love their podcast!Check out their linktree here!Instagram/Tiktok: @houseofwindpodPatreon: hereCheck out Smoke Show Sauce and use code BBB15 at checkout for a 15% discount off your purchase.https://smokeshowsauce.com/Support our show through our Amazon shop!https://www.amazon.ca/shop/bookboundpod?ref_=cm_sw_r_cp_ud_aipsfshop_aipsfbookboundpod_87KHZB6H05FBE71S95E5 Thank you for listening! Please rate this podcast and leave a review, it'll help other people find us. Don't forget to send this podcast to your book besties :) Instagram @bookboundpod Tiktok @bookboundbesties Youtube @BookBoundBestiesIf you have any questions, comments or feedback email us at bookboundpod@gmail.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Series: Rabbi JesusScripture: Luke 9:37-50We hope you enjoyed listening to this message! If you'd like to stay updated on what God is doing at Citylight Council Bluffs, be sure to follow us:Citylight Council BluffsFacebookInstagramCitylight Council BluffsSunday Gatherings at 9:00 & 11:00 AMLivestream at 9:00 AM2109 Railroad Hwy, Council Bluffs, IA 51503Support the Show.
To mark chapter two. The Gospel of Mark. Chapter two is where we find ourselves this morning. You remember that we're in year b, which is to say that the second gospel is correlating with year b. And we are only in chapter two.00:00:22But if you remember, it took us forever to get out of chapter one a few months ago. Because one is just jam packed with things that other gospels expound on even more. Remember that Mark is pretty tight in how he. And short, if you will, in how he says things. And so go with me here to mark chapter two.00:00:43And once you're there, go ahead and stand.00:00:51Notice these words as found in Mark 223 in this episode of Jesus life. One Sabbath, Jesus and his disciples were going through the grain fields. And as they made their way, his disciples began to pluck heads of grain. The Pharisees said to him, look, why are they doing what is not lawful on the Sabbath? And he said to them, have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need of food?00:01:23He entered the house of God when Abiathar was high priest. And ate the bread of the presence. Which it is not lawful for any but the priest to eat. And he gave some to his companions. Then he said to them, the Sabbath was made for humankind.00:01:43And not humankind for the Sabbath. So the son of man is lord even of the Sabbath. Again he entered the synagogue, and a man was there who had a withered hand. They watched him to see whether he would cure him on the Sabbath. So they might accuse him.00:02:06And he said to the man who had the withered hand come forward. Then he said to them, is it lawful to do good or to do harm on the Sabbath. To save life or to kill? But they were silent. He looked around at them with anger.00:02:26He was grieved at their hardness of heart. And said to the man, stretch out your hand. He stretched it out, and his hand was restored. The Pharisees went out and immediately conspired with the Herodians against him how to destroy him. Lord, we're thankful for your word this morning.00:02:50We pray now that you, Holy Spirit, would come and help. Lord, we need your help. I need your help this morning. And we pray that the same holy spirit that inspired these words originally by Mark's hand. Would inspire us today.00:03:10And enlighten our minds so that we may obey you and love you. We pray this in your name. Amen. You can be seated in this text today. We.00:03:28It's kind of an interesting one. And you know, you have some big text where it's like something wow happens. And there is a miracle here. But the thrust of the text really has to do with law. And Sabbath and observation or observing these things.00:03:48And when we start talking about law, most people start yawning. Nobody reads a law book, for instance, except for lawyers, right? And you remember that the Pharisees are ultimately experts at the law, okay? So that's, you know, nobody, I don't think, does their, what do you call it, leisurely reading of the law or bylaws or this sort of thing like that. Just is not on most people's radar to do.00:04:15But the Pharisees, I guarantee they probably would relax sometimes, reading commentary on the law. That's how much they liked it. That's how expertly they knew how to decipher it. And you'll remember too, and this is helpful in our text today. Is to remember that the Pharisees also had laws that.00:04:33Oral laws that they had created. That were not in the word of God as the law, all right? But that they had put around the law in order to protect from ever breaking the law. Okay? So just think of it like this.00:04:48You've got the law of God at this center circle, okay? And then around that you put fences so that nobody even gets close. Cause you know, when you have something sacred. Or you have somet
Episode 51: *50 Excuses To Run: Excuses #'s 26-50We are constantly inundated with excuses to NOT run. So, let's inundate ourselves with excuses TO RUN! In honor of 50 episodes I'm dropping a whole bunch of excuses to run. And by a whole bunch I mean 50 excuses! That's so many excuses that I needed to break this into two different episodes. And I tried my best to be efficient. 50 excuses is just too many excuses for one episode. That's why I needed to break these 50 excuses up into two different episodes. So, sit back and maybe even write a few of these down or write them all down. Believe me... if you run enough you're going to need access to some of these to help get you over the starting line.Cheers and thank you for listening!Coach BennettPS: Make sure you also listen to Episode 50: 50 Excuses To Run: Excuse #'s 1-25Be sure to send any and all questions and comments to the mailbag:Coach Bennett's PodcastBe sure to send any and all questions and comments to the mailbag: Coach Bennett's Podcast 9220 SW Barbur Blvd STE 119, #322 Portland, Oregon 97219 And if you need even more Coach Bennett in your life you can scratch that itch by subscribing to the Coach Bennett's Newsletter.You can also listen to the Two Coach Bennetts Talking podcast on Apple Podcasts or on Spotify Podcasts Or you can follow on Instagram: @coachbennett TikTok: @CoachBennett Check out Coach Bennett on Cameo for any messages of inspiration or motivation or birthday wished or pep talk for you or friends or family or teammates: Coach Bennett Mastodon: @coachbennett Twitter: @BennettRunThreads: @CoachBennettStrava: Coach Bennett
Nathalia is still processing that she and Garrick are not getting married in Brazil and Dannielle is pregnant. Instead of talking to her about it, Dannielle and Garrick make her tag along to see an ultrasound of the baby. Later, Nathalia's friends come over to watch this awkwardness play out even more before Dannielle and Garrick return home. The Davis wives meet Jasmin, a potential fourth wife, who seems a little too eager and agreeable, even Danielle sees red flags. The Salahuddins continue to torture Naeem's mother, despite being nowhere near being in a relationship with another woman.At the end of the episode we discuss Meri Brown's launch of her new website and business venture "Worthy Up." Timestamp: 53:50We have a PATREON! click on link below to check out the extra content:PatreonPlease SUBSCRIBE to the podcast and give us a 5-star rating and review.We are on Instagram and TikTok @psychlegalpopEmail: psychlegalpoppodcast@gmail.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Anchor Passage: Matthew 12:46-50We know that Jesus had a special relationship with His mother and was a blessing to her. As He was dying, Jesus asked John to take care of her, showing that even in His darkest moments Jesus was caring for others—including His mom. Join us as we see how we can have a close relationship with Jesus too!First Time? Start Here: https://rock.marinerschurch.org/connectcardCan we pray for you? https://rock.marinerschurch.org/page/692You can find information for all our Mariners congregations, watch more videos, and learn more about us and our ministries on our website https://www.marinerschurch.org/---------------------------------------------------------------- FIND US ON SOCIAL MEDIA • Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/marinerschurch • TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@marinerschurch • Twitter: https://twitter.com/marinerschurch • Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marinerschurch • Online Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mariners.online-------------------------------------------------------------------- Support the ministry and help us reach people worldwide: https://www.marinerschurch.org/give/Like podcasts? Check out more from Mariners Church https://www.marinerschurch.org/podcast-channels/
Series: Rabbi JesusScripture: Luke 7:36-50We hope you enjoyed listening to this message! If you'd like to stay updated on what God is doing at Citylight Council Bluffs, be sure to follow us:Citylight Council BluffsFacebookInstagramCitylight Council BluffsSunday Gatherings at 9:00 & 11:00 AMLivestream at 9:00 AM2109 Railroad Hwy, Council Bluffs, IA 51503Support the show
Principle 18 – Our Unshakeable Foundation Psalm 18:1-50We must always build our spiritual lives on Jesus Christ, who is a solid foundation that will never fail.Support the show
Passage: Matthew 12:46-50We all deeply long to experience authentic community, but the reality is: community is hard! It is easier to settle for some counterfeit form of community that is far less than what Jesus has for us. For that reason, it is important that we truly understand Jesus' vision for community - what it is and what it isn't, the cost and the reward - so that we can experience it in our own lives today.
Mark 9:30-50We're finishing our study in the book of Mark at our large group, Monday night meeting. We also would like to invite anyone who lives in the Philadelphia area to worship and study God's word with us at our in-person meeting that takes place every-other Monday night at 7:30pm. Visit phillyyoungadults.com for additional information about our ministry.Feel free to message us on instagram (@phillyyoungadultscc) with any feedback, questions, or topics you want to hear about on the podcast or you can shoot an email to ya@ccphilly.org Visit our website here.
Gina chats with best selling author and learning expert Dr. Deena Kara Shaffer about approaching the end of The Program and finishing strong. You can find the full video hosted at:https://www.facebook.com/groups/livymethodfall2023Topics covered:Introducing Dr. Deena Kara Shaffer @ IntroAddressing motivation and how it's not enough on its own 0:59Digging into the funk so many of us are feeling @ 1:30Setting real expectations around motivation @ 2:08Micro accomplishments lead to more accomplishments and the importance of celebrating even the smallest wins @ 3:00Understanding negativity biases and taking stock of the tiny wins each day @ 3:42 Dr Deena's insight around imposter syndrome and belief in whether we can succeed or not @ 6:14Measuring the daily tiny wins may not be motivating but reflecting back at the trends over the whole show us what we've really accomplished @ 7:18Balancing the day by day approach in the Program with looking back over the bigger picture of what's been accomplished over time @ 9:07Acknowledging non scale victories even when they're not new to us right now @ 10:48Recognizing and understanding our needs @ 11:40Program fatigue, when we get bored and leaning in @ 13:40What is the invitation for what we need when we're in a funk @ 15:14Digging in to what your expectations of this Program really are @ 15:48How can you get what you need from this Program and how to get the other things you need elsewhere @ 16:48There is not one prescription for what will work for each person @ 17:54The goal is for YOU to be in tune with what you need @ 18:50We don't need to ‘think' our way through this Program, it's really about ‘feeling' our way through. It's about waking up to the signals our bodies are giving us @ 20:58At 8 weeks in, how do we stop and assess our success @ 22:48Stopping to ask yourself, how am I going to know what success feels like? @ 23:33Sometimes it's not the right time, it's not about grit at all costs @ 25:43If you stop now and start again in January, does it help or does it harm? Would it take you further away from your goals? @ 26:33The benefit of taking a step back to pause rather than stopping @ 28:06Pausing to take stock is important and sometimes surviving is enough. It's ok to not be thriving everyday @ 29:32Microvisioning, projecting a month forward, what is the choice you wish for yourself today? @ 30:10From go go go to stopping and taking a minute to contemplate @ 31:50Where is our down time? Where is our time for fun? And the effects of phones and screens on us @ 34:09How to nourish yourself with true joy, true breaks @ 37:57Strategies from Dr Deena Kara Shaffer for the next 31 days and how to end the Program strong @ 38:35Basing our goals on how we're going to feel rather than measurable metrics @ 40:25How to scaffold hope with plans because hope alone is not a strong enough bridge to stand on @ 43:42Listen to all of this again and find the glimmers for yourself @ 46:53Dr Shaffer's book and where to find her @ 48:22To learn more about the Livy Method, visit www.ginalivy.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
In this engaging episode of the Sweet on Leadership podcast, Tim Sweet interviews Tracy Borreson, an entrepreneur and advocate for authentic leaders. Tracy shares her insights into what it means to be authentic, how to avoid taking servant leadership too far, and how to build team dynamics. She highlights the importance of self-awareness and balancing leadership responsibilities to avoid burnout. If you're an entrepreneur who feels like you're juggling all the things alone, this episode is for you!The conversation explores the concept of authenticity as being true to oneself and fostering honest communication. The episode emphasizes the need for leaders to prioritize self-care, create a high-performance culture, and encourage team members' involvement in solving problems. Tracy also introduces her upcoming conversation series, "Crazy, Stupid Marketing," where she tackles marketing misconceptions with a panel of experts. Listeners gain valuable insights into authentic leadership, team engagement, and effective marketing strategies.About Tracy BorresonTracy Borreson is an entrepreneur and authenticity advocate known for her commitment to creating awareness around true authenticity. As a mompreneur, Tracy's journey has been driven by her passion for aligning experiences with personal values and unique contributions. Her work focuses on challenging conventional notions of authenticity and encouraging individuals to be honest with themselves and others. Tracy's insights are grounded in her experiences in corporate marketing and leadership roles.Resources discussed in this episode:Flow by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi--Contact Tim Sweet | Team Work Excellence: WebsiteLinkedIn: Tim SweetInstagramLinkedin: Team Work Excellence Contact Tracy Borreson | TLB Coaching & Events: Website: tlbcoaching.comTwitter: TBorreson11Linkedin: Tracy Borreson--Transcript:Tracy 00:00It comes down to an awareness like what am I doing? Is it actually having the impact that I'm trying to create? And if the impact is more important than the things that I'm doing, it creates space for me to look at new things I could do that could also serve us. Let yourself be part of the we. What could we do to serve us? Tim 00:26I'd like to ask you some questions. Do you consider yourself the kind of person that gets things done? Are you able to take a vision and transform that into action? Are you able to align others towards that vision and get them moving to create something truly remarkable? If any of these describe you, then you my friend, are a leader, and this show is all about and all for you. Welcome to the Sweet on Leadership Podcast. This is episode 15. Tim 01:01Welcome back to the Sweet on Leadership Podcast. Today I'm truly thrilled to be speaking to my colleague and friend Tracy Borreson with her passion for authenticity that fuels both professional and personal journeys. Tracy's commitment to lighting personal brands on fire has inspired many, including myself. Today, we're going to be digging deep on the essence of authenticity. So, join us for a conversation that will challenge, encourage and inspire you to consider how you show up. Knowing this will help you make a real connection between authenticity, leadership, trust, and your personal brand. So, stay tuned as this conversation can be the difference in your next professional relationship. Without any further ado, here's my conversation with Tracy. Tim 01:45Welcome back, everybody. Thank you for joining us for another episode of Sweet on Leadership. I'm joined today by my good friend and longtime colleague now because we've been at this we're working on something always for about three years now. Tracy Borreson Tracy, why don't you introduce yourself to the people so they know who you are. I know who you are. But I want you to introduce yourself, please. Tracy 02:07Hello, Tim's people. I am Tracy Borreson. And also, if you are Tim's people that you are my people. We are each other's people. What are the important things to know about me? First and foremost, I am a mom, I became an entrepreneur because I wanted to spend more time with my son. So, I identify as a mompreneur very fondly, I am all about authenticity. And so I think there's many places in the world where authenticity is a buzzword, but we don't really know what that means. And if we don't know what it means for us, then things can't be authentic. And so one of my big goals is to try and create some more awareness onto what authenticity actually is, instead of what people want to tell us, it should look like and create our experience, whether that is a career experience, a home experience, a community experience, life experience that is aligned with the things that we want to do, or that we can uniquely contribute, instead of what people tell us we should. And if you've listened to Tim Show, I, I've heard I know, you've all heard his opinion on shoulds, so that's probably why we hang out. Tim 03:17Don't should all over yourself. I won't go into it. But there you go. Don't do it. If you're gonna stop listening, stop listening now. Tracy 03:26We're not gonna tell you, what you should do is but– Tim 03:27No, we're not. No, no way, Jose. So, before we hit record, here, we were talking about authenticity, we're also talking about servant leadership. And we're talking about how an immature understanding of those terms and a failure to grasp the nuance of both of those terms can get a person into trouble. And so that's, you know, that's really where we're going to focus, our exploration here, at least I'm hoping it's such an important thing to grasp, and they have their place. And they're not negative things, unless like anything else. We don't appreciate how to roll them out and deploy them properly. And so today, we're going to be talking about authenticity. We're going to be getting Tracy's thoughts on that. And we're going to be chewing it around from the perspective of a leader of people, and where servant leadership and authenticity can sometimes form a toxic stew, and how we can make sure that that's not in our bowl, but like anything, it's always good to have a little bit of both. So, when we were gearing up for this, I really loved your point, which I'll ask you to sort of expand on as we get going here, around what happens when a person is overdoing the whole servant leadership thing in your experience. Tracy 04:46Well, I mean, simply burnout. So, things and lots of things get burnt out. So, I know we all know the whole put your oxygen mask on before you put someone else's oxygen mask on, and we seem to be able to do that on a plane. When it comes to servant leadership, this most of the time isn't what we are doing. We are prioritizing other people's oxygen masks first. And it's not bad to care about another person's oxygen mask. Tim 05:16No, not at all. Tracy 05:17It is dangerous to care about everyone else's oxygen mask on top of yours. And so when I see servant leader, what usually I see is that the leader ends up feeling, I'll use a descriptor I have used for myself, previously, that your entire team is living on a beach, an island beach, and they've got all the drinks and all the sunshine, and round that island is a stone wall. And the leader is running around the stone wall, fighting off dragons, stopping the dragons from getting at the people. And the people's experiences this one of like calm, relaxed, productive, right? All the good emotions we associate with work. And the leader's experience is overwhelm, stress, aloneness, right, like they're not part of what they're creating for other people. And that is not sustainable. It's not sustainable from a human perspective, feeling alone, feeling exhausted, feeling like you're the only person putting up the good fight. I'll be honest with you, I lasted eight years, and I thought that was pretty good. Until I was like, No, I can't, because one, my team isn't learning how to fight dragons. And so not really helping them in their life, in their career, by protecting them from all these dragons, they are eventually going to have to experience. So, I'm not really helping them. And I'm not part of the team, I am overly exhausting myself. I go home, and I'm stressed at home because I've been stressed all day, which is not unusual. And this isn't sustainable, right? It's just not sustainable. And I know, we still focus on that narrative of servant leadership, I think we need to work on like a hybrid for talking about like hybrid work environments, we need to talk about a hybrid leadership model where yes, I am here as a leader to care for the people and to take care of the people. And like you said, before we went live, you can't do that I can't give you something if my cup is empty, I have nothing to give. Tim 07:36It's funny because a servant mindset, it's really interesting to me. And it is one of the key areas where I find burnout, as you've said. Where we find poor utilization of capacity. And in many cases, while the leader is running around the wall, fighting off the dragons, and refilling the Mai Thais at the same time. People are disconnected from the work and often bored, and often not really engaged in the work anyway. And it's like this helicopter parenting for leaders, where we go through and we make everything safe to the point where it's no longer an engaging existence. A few episodes back, Richard Young was a guest. And he pointed out that when we look at the Olympic teams, and the rest of it, lives without stress, are not fulfilling, they're not balanced at all, we need a certain amount of creative anxiety, we need a certain amount, even adversity to face if we're going to feel like we're truly part of something. And often leaders relegate themselves to the protector role. But you know, there's that saying that says, you know, don't just stand there, do something. Well, sometimes it's don't just do something, stand there. And so we have to think that every once in a while you need to let people swim. But then that can get us into just as much trouble. And so, you know, when we think about this all-or-nothing leadership relationship, either you're a servant leadership, that would imply that if you're not that you're well, what are you, you're vampiric leadership, or something. The truth is, it's got to be somewhere in between. But what I found is it's always easier for people to serve others and leave themselves underserved. We often don't value ourselves enough that we want to invest in ourselves and do some of the tough stuff for us. We would rather serve others all the time because you know what, they're worth it at a certain point. Tracy 09:35This reminds me of a really good friend of mine, Carlson Watkins. I, him and I used to do a show called Authentic Leadership. And I remember talking about this once and it was some advice that he got from his grandmother. And she had asked him, Do you like helping people? And he was like, yes. She was like, Do you think other people like helping people? And he was like, Yeah, what do you think happens when people who like helping people, you don't let them help you? And I, like always remember that because I'm like, this is a thing, I think from that servant leadership perspective, and any of the other kind of self-sabotaging behaviour we might have in other parts of our lives where we just over-serve, we forget that the people around us, like helping people too. And if we don't let them help us, then we're not letting them have full expression of who they are. And I think too, from a leadership perspective, this does come back to this like societal narrative of, I'm supposed to have all the answers like I'm a leader, I'm supposed to have all the answers. And while I don't think most of us logically believe that, like, we know we're human, you can't possibly have all the answers. This is why we have a team, we have all these other narratives. But our way of being is that I am the chief, right? Like it rolls up to me. Tim 11:02I've got to be the giver. Yeah.Tracy 11:04Yeah. And so this is where it kind of plays into authenticity is we have to be able to notice these things about our experience. Because that type of narrative might not be conscious for you. But it is feeding your experience. It is feeding your experience you create for other people. And until we start to look at like, Oh, why am I doing that? Because it doesn't feel good for me, or does it feel good for me? What about it feels good for me? And, again, from a societal perspective, leaders are so busy, right? We got all the things to do. And I was talking to a lady a few days ago who has 150 direct reports. And I was just like, what, like, it's not even possible, right? It's unrealistic. It's not possible. Even if one person cared that much about serving that many people, you couldn't, it's a bad model. And so we don't look at those things, you would just be like, in the experience, constantly feeling you can't serve all of the people that you want to serve. And that is not an empowered mindset. So, now like, I don't even know what happens, I work overtime, and I do all these things. And then I miss out on my kid's dance recital, and then I'm mad at myself for that. And then your whole experience becomes disempowered. And authenticity is the flip of that. It is about paying attention, so that we can on an ongoing basis, create more empowerment, in our experience, because this is what I would choose. This is how I would do it. And I mean, there's probably somewhere you want to take that, Tim but–Tim 12:42No, I think that's a good one. Tracy 12:44My definition of authenticity just for everybody here because you can find lots of definitions of authenticity is doing or saying what you would do or say when you want to do or say it. So, it's not about doing or saying all the things. It's not about doing or saying things all the time. It's using your experience and trusting yourself enough to say this is what needs to be said right now. And that's what I can do. And sometimes it's right, sometimes it's wrong. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it has a different impact than your intention. This isn't about getting it right. It is about being honest, in an honest expression. This is how I see the situation. This is how I can contribute in a positive way. And do that, instead of being worried about like, is that right or wrong? Tim 13:40That's an important distinction. Because if you're operating on the best information that you've gotten the time, it doesn't mean that that's not going to change, it doesn't mean that your instinct isn't gonna change eventually. Tracy 13:50We grow and we learn. Tim 13:51Yeah, it doesn't mean that it has to either. But, you know, I think that's a beautiful point. People have to have an opportunity to help as well, or you are not the only person who is getting something out of this transaction. I think often that we are not fluent enough in how we like to transact with others, and why we're choosing to transact in a certain way. If we are constantly giving, what are we expecting back? Now is that we're giving down into a team of 150 people or something? What is the thing we're expecting back? Is it like silence and loyalty? And that's what we expect back? Or is it just hard work and productivity? And that's what we expect back? Or is it something along the lines of I'm going to help them be the most effective people they can be in their job and find some purpose in the role and in turn, they're going to help me feel some purpose in what I'm doing. And it doesn't have to be emotional at this point. I think it can be very, very operational. You know, often when we look at how an organization is lined up, we have the strategic levels of an organization, the tactical levels of an organization, the operational levels of an organization, and a really healthy company will be passing things down and sending them back up. You know, so we have strategic goals that the leaders are passing up and passing down. And we have questions and requests for support that come up. And then we have targets that are sent down and we have productivity that sent up. And we get a nice interchange of things flowing all the way up and all the way down in this kind of current. But if a leader decides that they're going to put themselves in the middle of that, and they are going to shelter people, as you said, from the dragons, and those people will still expect Mai Thai then you're going to find yourself in a vacuum. And the moment that reverses, and those people begin to try to provide value into the system, and you're not built to recognize that they're trying to help. But that's not what your processes are lined up to do, then you create a pressure zone, and suddenly they don't feel appreciated. And so having this ability to transact, and to breathe in and out and respirate the value of others is such an important thing to be able to do. And then to be able to do that in a way that makes sense for you. That is an authentic expression of how do I actually like to transact? It's an important step to be able to mature into that way and say, you know, I feel quite comfortable with just how much I'm willing to take on or how much I'm not, and how much I'm willing to let them swim, and how much I'm not. Right. So that we're covering in a lot of ground here. I mean, hey, this is way up in 10,000 feet in an organization. But what are some of the worst expressions of servant leadership that you've seen? Tracy 16:56I have one specific scenario where a leader that I worked with was, he was waiting to hear back to hear whether or not his wife had cancer. Well, it's like pretty big. Right? A pretty big moment. Like, you're probably feeling emotional. And I was like, so we were on the leadership team together. So, he didn't manage me, but like he was a leader of people. I wouldn't listen, watching this guy like slowly stress himself out. Because he thinks he has to be here because he has to be for the team. And what if the team needs him and blah, blah, blah. And I watched that energy transition into all of the salespeople. Guess how productive sales was that day? It's just not, right? A little example, I told him, like, why don't you just go home, like, just go home, wait with your wife, like, be together? Because I think what we don't notice is this energy transfer, right? We might have the best intention of being there to support the people. But if our energy doesn't actually match that the message the people get, is not that, right? Now the message that my people get us like, I want to try to protect him because he does so much job protecting us. And then all of a sudden, like, no one's really protecting anybody. I think the biggest problem is that then we're not in this as an us, right? Like, it's just you and me. And you're over there doing your thing battling dragons, and I'm over here, sitting on a beach drinking Mai Thais, and you're not on this path to performance together. We don't have the same understanding that like, yeah, if anybody is dealing with an extreme personal issue, and it's emotional for you, that you should go home and be with the people that you love because that will likely be the best place for you to feel safe. But we don't have that conversation. We try and isolate, insulate the parties from each other. And then we don't have an us. And if we don't have an us, then we are not going anywhere together. Tim 19:08Yeah, well, and I think that there's a dark side of that. I love what you're saying. We don't have an us conversation. But it becomes an us whether we like it or not, in a sense, like that stress that they're feeling, that tension that they're feeling is going to come out one way or another. So, even if they're a person that chooses to be stoic, and never ask anything of anybody else, they may not do it verbally, but they're going to require that people walk on eggshells or feel crappy during the day or worry about the other person. Like, it's kind of like the exchange is happening anyway. Tracy 19:45And is this the exchange you want, right? Is this the type of energy we want as the team, is this–Tim 19:52Or is it a wildfire? Is it? Tracy 19:54One of the things I always think about, like I grew up playing competitive sports and so there is a role that the coach plays. And there's a role that the team plays. And that's not the same role. But we all have to be aligned on where we are going. And we have to go there together. You cannot win at team sports unless you're going there together. And that doesn't mean we're all doing the same thing, it doesn't mean that we all shoot 40 points on a given night, right? It just means that we are all on this path together. And if I want to create a high-performance culture, then we got to be on the path together. And we got to be able to say like, Hey, we got something going on on this team that is not going to allow us to move forward today. And that's okay. Right? But then we have to have that space. That this is like a multi-layered conversation, that like we're just gonna skim the top of and the short conversation. But this is why authenticity also matters. Because if you don't show up as caring about that, from the beginning, and saying the coach is equally as part of the team, as the player, even though he's not on the court doing the thing. Now thinking about like a sales team, or that just because you're not making sales calls, doesn't mean you're not a critical member of the team. And if a critical member of the team is incapable of serving in their capacity today, and isn't confident enough, in their normal contribution to say, I am not capable of performing this role today, which every human experiences, no matter how long you've been a leader, whether you're not a leader, or you're hoping to become a leader, all of us have experienced this, like even if it's just in our mindset, I'm not capable of executing this today. I remember one day in corporate just coming in logging into my computer and looking at my email be like, Nope, I can't deal with this today. And I took a flex day, and I went to the mountains, and it was better for my soul. And I came back the next day, and I was fine. But if we don't have the practice, if we don't have the space, and if we don't have the most importantly, self-awareness, to be able to observe those things about ourselves, then we do, we let that more toxic poison energy just seep out because we're not being intentional about creating something different. Tim 22:22But we are going to be creating something regardless. Tracy 22:25Oh yes, something is created by default. Just is that what you were hoping for? Tim 22:30Yeah, for sure. And so we are taking a rather broad skim at things here. And we're covering a big topic, but I do feel like we're starting to land on, you know, a foothold that people can use to just do a crazy Ivan on their own level of authenticity, or their own choices around leadership. When it comes to my leading authentically, perhaps it is the servant leadership piece. Tracy 22:54Okay. Can we talk about that? The important thing about authenticity is, like I said, very much related to your self-awareness. So, it's not that you would necessarily be being inauthentic, if you don't know some of these deeper things about yourself or your deeper, why I might be showing up like this? So, one of the examples I always give is, I was quite a different person. When I was in my corporate life before I was a mom. And then I became a mom and I changed, things about me changed. I learned things, I experienced new things that changed who I was, I'm a learning row kind of person. So I started to evolve very quickly, and I have evolved beyond where I fit with my job anymore. And there is a mindset of like, bringing your like, it's almost like the riding a bicycle thing. Once you can ride a bicycle, you can pretty much always ride a bicycle. And as you've seen some things and you say like, oh my god, I can never unsee that. Right? Like, did you can't go back, you can't evolve that backwards. This is not a thing. So, now we have evolved. And now we look back on our old experience. And our new experience might be that we were being so inauthentic back then. But that's not actually the case, you were being yourself. It was just a less informed version of you. And so there's this important permission, as a leader and as everyone to allow that space for evolution. Because you will change, your employees will change. They'll have personal experiences that will rock their world that will make them not the same anymore. And if we don't create this space for ourselves and for other people to evolve, then we're also like trapping things in this old box. Tim 24:53I think that's a really good point. I mean, there's a notion that it is a trap to say that we're heading towards our ideal self. We're heading towards and I use this every once in a while our best version of ourselves and the rest of it right, but I mean– Tracy 25:08I hate the word better because people are like a better version, like better than what? Tim 25:12Well, I think it's, I think it's the best you can be in the moment. And it's an acknowledgement that we're not done. I hate the term adulting. That one's always bothered me, because I'm like, Look, I'm 49. And I'm still a child, in so far as I am learning constantly, like I am not done, I will not be done. I don't have a hope of knowing everything. But every day is a learning experience. And every day is brand new. I mean, you're more mature than you were the rest of it. Tracey 25:42I like to say be the most you. Tim 25:44Yeah, be the most you.Tracy 25:45The best version of you, what is that? The best at some random thing that someone else decided, right? Like, that's not helpful. But if I can, at the beginning of my entrepreneurial journey, I think you know this about me, Tim, but I started measuring a personal KPI. How authentic did I feel today? So, that was measuring like, this is how many interactions I had with people in a business sense. In how many of those did I feel like I was being my authentic self? Or did I feel like I had to impress somebody, or did I feel like I had to prove something? And in making that my personal KPI, I have been able to build a habit of just like paying attention to this. And when I feel like something is inauthentic. One of the most drastic examples I have was teaching my cardio dance class. And at the time, I was going through like pretty legitimate grief episode. And I put on this playlist and for whatever reason, my interpretation of the songs in that moment was just like really sad. They weren't specifically sad songs, but I was interpreting them and I was feeling very sad. And I pasted a smile on my face for the entire dance class. Because, quote, unquote, that's what other people expect of me. Right? And so on my list that was clearly obvious to me that in that moment, I was not being authentic. Now, did I change what I was doing? No, I kept my smile pasted on my face for the entire class. I wasn't ready to like process, why I thought I needed to do that in real time. And this doesn't mean that we can all process all these things in real-time, right? It just means that we notice, I noticed I'm being inauthentic right now what is causing that? I know my cardio dance class, or like some of the most accepting people of me, like, they love me and all the things that I do. So they would be fine. If I just said, like, Hey, this is making me super emotional. Can I send you guys a recording for today? They would have all been fine with that. But I had to process like, Why was I doing that? What was I expecting of myself? And so when we look at these types of things, we get to measure like, is that what I would do? Did I feel good doing that? And then we can go back, we can't change that we did it at the time. It just enables us to do something different next time. And then in so doing, it gives us the capacity to then see that in other people. When do you see when like someone's normally like super loquacious in like team events, but they're, like really quiet today, there might be something going on there. And I feel like people in general just like to have someone else notice. You don't necessarily have to like fix their problem, which I think is another thing leaders tend to try to do. It's not that I don't even know your problem. I don't even need you to share with me what your problem is. But I noticed that like something's going on. And if you need space, I can create that for you. There's like and these are types of things too, right, like, the awareness and like what you would do. I had experiences where I like, do a thing. And then as soon as I do it, I'm like, Nope, that's not what I would do. And then I have to try something different next time. But that's why the concept of the evolution is important. And we continue to evolve closer to the “you-est” version, the “me-est” version of myself, so that I can look at my team on a Zoom meeting, or I can look at my social media provider. I can look at this event I hosted or wherever you're showing up and be like, yeah, that was me. I did that. Tim 29:34I think that even the notion though, of evolving towards the “meest” version, where I was going with this is that the notion that we're heading towards something versus we're exactly where we're meant to be, you know, are you the most of yourself right now. And the KPI is funny because I have a similar one that after reading Csikszentmihalyi Flow book, that always has been where I marked down, how did I feel today? Was I balanced between, you know, having enough creative stress and enough control? And for me that comes in that zone where you're like, I'm exactly who I need to be right now. I'm exactly who I am. And sometimes that's a great fit for the situation. And sometimes it's not. Man, I can say whether I want to engage in a certain piece of work or not. But I know that I was in a state of flow in that moment, and for me, it comes across as I know, I'm there. I know what I'm there to provide, very little confidence issues, because I'm worried that I'm faking it. The thing that I would typify the last 10 to 15 years of my work is just that constant, diminishment, you know, that low the lowering and lowering and lowering and lowering of the ratio of your day, where you, it's not about not knowing what you're talking about, because I don't know what I'm saying half the time, I gotta learn. But it's just being really, really comfortable saying, You know what, I am right for this situation. And I'm not at all remorseful about how much I know or don't know, I don't feel any. To me, it's actually an expression of guilt, I guess, is I would say, it's like, I don't feel guilty about being too much or not enough. Tracy 31:23Not being a brain surgeon. Tim 31:26Yeah, it's like, I feel pretty rigged for this situation right here on Earth. And I'm more than happy to be in my own skin, in my boots, where I'm at, and I feel fulfilled. And I think that that often I talk about fluency, right? And it's, do you understand how you show up in different situations? Do you understand as a team, what genius you're there to provide? And then you can appreciate the genius of others. Do you understand your work style? And then you can appreciate the work style of others. Do you understand the strengths, your strengths, and then you can appreciate the strengths of others? Do you understand who you are? And are you comfortable in your skin? And if so, can you be comfortable then with others not being you and not being cast in your image? Or a threat because they're different? Right? And so that authenticity, to me, is a place of comfort. Like, it's like, I just felt better than not, right? Hey, my shininess ratios pretty, pretty good today. Tracy 32:31I like, I recently ran an in-person event for the first time since COVID. And it's like, it was July 2023. Some people extrapolate that based on when you're listening to it is a long time. And I did all the planning, I did all my prep, I know what I care about, I had a very specific attention, right? And I was like, I've done what I can do, that didn't stop me from staying up until like 10 to 10 o'clock the night before trying to prepare stuff. And then once it happened, and it was like happening, and everybody was like just being exactly what I hoped it would be. I had this moment of like, I did that. And like, yes, there were the other people contributed to it. Absolutely. Other people contributed to it, I always have five for people contributing, because I can't make that happen by myself. And I've created the space for that all of that connection would not have happened if I didn't do that. And so there is something to be proud of. And there's something that I am like uniquely good at. And it's not about being cocky, or any of those things I know a lot of people have fear of that as well. I remember saying once to a client of mine, you're pretty much as far as you possibly be from cocky. So if you just be yourself, there's no way you can be cocky. Like it's not a thing. Also, that doesn't mean that someone's not going to interpret you that way. But you can't control other people's thoughts and experiences. And so like, it's okay to take that moment and just feel I've been doing just like three deep breaths every time I feel that and just be like, just breathe this into my being. Tim 34:09Man, that really raised something for me when you just said that you can't control how other people feel about you. I really love the statement that you know, it's none of your business, what other people think about you, as people are like, Well, yeah, it is. Is it your business what you think about them? Is it their business what you think about them? If they asked you would you tell them the truth? It's like, let it go. It's your business what do you think about yourself for the most part and even then you gotta be careful, you don't agree with yourself all the time because you could be a bad read. But the the notion that you're going to disappoint people, I think there's a really interesting, dynamic when you get into teams and large groups, and you get around some people that are that are pretty comfortable with the skin they're in and people who aren't and I see this all the time. I see people resent the people who are comfortable, quite a bit. And also starting to, you know, there's a lot of aspersions cast, that that person just doesn't get it, but that person doesn't understand. And it's fine to feel fear, and it's fine to feel, you know, destabilized every once in a while. But I remember as a parent reading about the norming behaviour that kids go through when one child is feeling a lot of anxiety or anger or something, they will try to normalize the rest of the house, so everybody else feels so way too, right? And I think we can put that on to that feeling of comfort and confidence and authenticity, that if somebody is feeling really confident and settled with who they are, and they don't feel terribly great need to, not without kindness, but to alter how they're feeling for someone else. Um, that can be offensive to other people. It can be like, Oh, you're being awfully arrogant, or you're not sensing how other people are feeling? Well, no, I am. But I'm also quite fine with my choice to be who I'm going to be in this moment, right? Tracy 36:11Yeah, and I think there's one, I was gonna say, like, I've experienced that from my parents, not just kids. I'm sure people have experienced it in the work environment as well. What I have found is that while people might not understand that confident perspective, what it does do is it still brings the vibe back to like a more like central level, right? So if things are starting to get high, and someone can be like, No, I won't let you take me there. Like, here's my place, here's how I'm balancing my energy. And you can go there, I'm not saying you can't go there. I'm just saying, I'm not going there on the emotional level with you. And if you want to go there, maybe we can create space for that to happen. I've been in work environments where like, literally, it was the best-case scenario to just take a 10-minute cry break. Okay, we've screwed this up big time, we're all really upset about it, let's just give ourselves 10 minutes in private to like, let it out. And then we can come back and try and figure out what we're going to do about it. Like this isn't anybody's fault. And that doesn't mean you're not feeling the emotions, right? So let's just like create that space, and come back to it. Even if people don't appreciate it or don't understand it or it makes them angry, it still neutralizes the tension. And I've just like–Tim 37:34Just take a time out. Tracy 37:36–so many times myself. And I think too, it's important to look at like, a lot of times we treat a lot as if it's urgent, right? Like we need to fix this right now. We do this right now. And if I learned this in parenting, if I can take two minutes to settle Nicholas, my son down, so he'll put his shoes on. That's way better than fighting with him for 20 minutes about him not wanting to put his shoes on. So, yeah, it doesn't mean I'm not spending any time, but it means I'm intentionally bringing things back. Tim 38:11It's called transition time. I'm gonna transition you from a point of play to putting on your shoes. What keeps coming back to my mind is that and just to round off the where we started. When we think about the servant leader perspective, it's I have to provide this for everyone else. And those are the Mai Thais, and maybe we need to let the dragon's roar, stuck behind the wall, pour ourselves a drink? Tracy 38:41Well, I mean, this is the thing. This is the thing I think about like one, I'm serving a whole bunch of Mai Thais. Do my people even like Mai Thais? I don't know, two, what if I have someone here who loves making Mai Thais and would love to step up and make all the Mai Thais? And I could drink one? That would be great. What if there was some like genius here who could make like a defense shield that would actually make it unnecessary for any of us to fight dragons? But I haven't asked them because I'm trying to keep them safe. Like, I'm actually not serving anyone. So, I do think that at the end of the day, this comes down to an awareness like what am I doing? Why am I doing it? Is it actually having the impact that I'm trying to create? And if the impact is more important than the things that I'm doing, it creates space for me to look at new things I could do that could also serve me, like serve us, like let yourself be part of the we. What could we do to serve us and bring that to the team because people want to help you. So let them help you. But yeah, it starts with self-awareness. Tim 39:56Okay, I'm thinking about a couple of things here, I think when I'm going through my notes here and thinking about some of the big words that are standing out for me. Transparency, and honesty, and practice self-awareness, all of these elements are really important that this is a skill that people have to learn. It's not that hard to find it. But it's also easy for us to lose it. And so every once in a while, you know, and I think that maybe this is a good action point for people out of this to take a check-in and say, how much time out of the day do I feel like I truly was being me that I really felt like I was in flow with who I needed to be in the moment. And then to get beyond the feeling that it's not all about them. And it's not all about me. But we've got to create this we in this us in there, and that by everybody finding an expression of themselves, then we can find what that looks like collaboratively, then we can say, Okay, what is the us look like? Maybe perhaps this is what we can talk about, you know, follow-up conversation. There's authenticity on the individual level, but there's also authenticity on the team level. Here's the brand of the individual and the individuals. But then it's what do we choose to be together? And is that in alignment with who all of us want to be individually? Right, so it becomes that, not a rulebook, but a focal point where we can we can start to concentrate things. As we're finishing up here, Tracy, if people want to find you, why don't you just tell us where they can find you? And perhaps what are you most excited about right now? What are you working on? Tracy 41:39So find me on LinkedIn, you can mostly find me on LinkedIn, Tracy Borreson, my little tagline thing is togetherness based on uniqueness. So if you see that, that's me, connect with me. I love to connect with people, it feels like the following is weird. Don't stop me just like meet me. More comfortable for me. Something I'm excited about right now. So, I'm actually in September, I'm going to be launching a new conversation series is like one of my favorite things to do. So, it was big thinking like this in a panel. So, even more ideas. And it's called Crazy, Stupid Marketing. So my background is corporate marketing. And what I saw a lot of what I continue to see today, and maybe even worse now, because it's so easy for quote-unquote, marketing gurus to give you marketing tips on the internet. There's a lot of stuff that people are telling you to do that is actually 100%, the opposite of what we should do. It doesn't make sense at all. So I got a panel of X corporate marketers, who will be joining me in the conversation to help bring some of these things to light so we can be a little bit more authentic in our marketing efforts, and a little bit less attached to what the marketing gurus tell us we should do. So stay tuned for that. Tim 43:00Cool. Well, I'll make sure that all the show notes are updated both so people can find you. And as that program rolls out, what's the label again, stupid marketing? Tracy 43:10Crazy, Stupid Marketing. Tim 43:12Okay, Crazy, Stupid Marketing. As the date gets closer, we'll make sure we update the show notes so that people can find in there if they're listening late. All right, Tracy, thank you so much for taking the time to join me today. And I can't wait till we do it again. This is some big thinking here. And it's great to just sit and play with you. So, thank you for showing up and being so you and helping we be so us. Tracy 43:37Yes, this was so us. It was an us episode. Tim 43:40That's right. Okay, we'll talk to you soon. All the best. Thank you so much for listening to Sweet on Leadership. If you found today's podcast valuable, consider visiting our website and signing up for the companion newsletter. You can find the link in the show notes. If like us, you think it's important to bring new ideas and skills into the practice of leadership. Please give us a positive rating and review on Apple Podcasts. This helps us spread the word to other committed leaders. 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It was a tremendous honor & pleasure to interview Richard Rhodes, Pulitzer Prize winning author of The Making of the Atomic BombWe discuss* similarities between AI progress & Manhattan Project (developing a powerful, unprecedented, & potentially apocalyptic technology within an uncertain arms-race situation)* visiting starving former Soviet scientists during fall of Soviet Union* whether Oppenheimer was a spy, & consulting on the Nolan movie* living through WW2 as a child* odds of nuclear war in Ukraine, Taiwan, Pakistan, & North Korea* how the US pulled of such a massive secret wartime scientific & industrial projectWatch on YouTube. Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or any other podcast platform. Read the full transcript here. Follow me on Twitter for updates on future episodes.Timestamps(0:00:00) - Oppenheimer movie(0:06:22) - Was the bomb inevitable?(0:29:10) - Firebombing vs nuclear vs hydrogen bombs(0:49:44) - Stalin & the Soviet program(1:08:24) - Deterrence, disarmament, North Korea, Taiwan(1:33:12) - Oppenheimer as lab director(1:53:40) - AI progress vs Manhattan Project(1:59:50) - Living through WW2(2:16:45) - Secrecy(2:26:34) - Wisdom & warTranscript(0:00:00) - Oppenheimer movieDwarkesh Patel 0:00:51Today I have the great honor of interviewing Richard Rhodes, who is the Pulitzer Prize-winning author of The Making of the Atomic Bomb, and most recently, the author of Energy, A Human History. I'm really excited about this one. Let's jump in at a current event, which is the fact that there's a new movie about Oppenheimer coming out, which I understand you've been consulted about. What did you think of the trailer? What are your impressions? Richard Rhodes 0:01:22They've really done a good job of things like the Trinity test device, which was the sphere covered with cables of various kinds. I had watched Peaky Blinders, where the actor who's playing Oppenheimer also appeared, and he looked so much like Oppenheimer to start with. Oppenheimer was about six feet tall, he was rail thin, not simply in terms of weight, but in terms of structure. Someone said he could sit in a children's high chair comfortably. But he never weighed more than about 140 pounds and that quality is there in the actor. So who knows? It all depends on how the director decided to tell the story. There are so many aspects of the story that you could never possibly squeeze them into one 2-hour movie. I think that we're waiting for the multi-part series that would really tell a lot more of the story, if not the whole story. But it looks exciting. We'll see. There have been some terrible depictions of Oppenheimer, there've been some terrible depictions of the bomb program. And maybe they'll get this one right. Dwarkesh Patel 0:02:42Yeah, hopefully. It is always great when you get an actor who resembles their role so well. For example, Bryan Cranston who played LBJ, and they have the same physical characteristics of the beady eyes, the big ears. Since we're talking about Oppenheimer, I had one question about him. I understand that there's evidence that's come out that he wasn't directly a communist spy. But is there any possibility that he was leaking information to the Soviets or in some way helping the Soviet program? He was a communist sympathizer, right? Richard Rhodes 0:03:15He had been during the 1930s. But less for the theory than for the practical business of helping Jews escape from Nazi Germany. One of the loves of his life, Jean Tatlock, was also busy working on extracting Jews from Europe during the 30. She was a member of the Communist Party and she, I think, encouraged him to come to meetings. But I don't think there's any possibility whatsoever that he shared information. In fact, he said he read Marx on a train trip between Berkeley and Washington one time and thought it was a bunch of hooey, just ridiculous. He was a very smart man, and he read the book with an eye to its logic, and he didn't think there was much there. He really didn't know anything about human beings and their struggles. He was born into considerable wealth. There were impressionist paintings all over his family apartments in New York City. His father had made a great deal of money cornering the markets on uniform linings for military uniforms during and before the First World War so there was a lot of wealth. I think his income during the war years and before was somewhere around $100,000 a month. And that's a lot of money in the 1930s. So he just lived in his head for most of his early years until he got to Berkeley and discovered that prime students of his were living on cans of god-awful cat food, because they couldn't afford anything else. And once he understood that there was great suffering in the world, he jumped in on it, as he always did when he became interested in something. So all of those things come together. His brother Frank was a member of the party, as was Frank's wife. I think the whole question of Oppenheimer lying to the security people during the Second World War about who approached him and who was trying to get him to sign on to some espionage was primarily an effort to cover up his brother's involvement. Not that his brothers gave away any secrets, I don't think they did. But if the army's security had really understood Frank Oppenheimer's involvement, he probably would have been shipped off to the Aleutians or some other distant place for the duration of the war. And Oppenheimer quite correctly wanted Frank around. He was someone he trusted.(0:06:22) - Was the bomb inevitable?Dwarkesh Patel 0:06:22Let's start talking about The Making of the Bomb. One question I have is — if World War II doesn't happen, is there any possibility that the bomb just never gets developed? Nobody bothers.Richard Rhodes 0:06:34That's really a good question and I've wondered over the years. But the more I look at the sequence of events, the more I think it would have been essentially inevitable, though perhaps not such an accelerated program. The bomb was pushed so hard during the Second World War because we thought the Germans had already started working on one. Nuclear fission had been discovered in Nazi Germany, in Berlin, in 1938, nine months before the beginning of the Second World War in Europe. Technological surveillance was not available during the war. The only way you could find out something was to send in a spy or have a mole or something human. And we didn't have that. So we didn't know where the Germans were, but we knew that the basic physics reaction that could lead to a bomb had been discovered there a year or more before anybody else in the West got started thinking about it. There was that most of all to push the urgency. In your hypothetical there would not have been that urgency. However, as soon as good physicists thought about the reaction that leads to nuclear fission — where a slow room temperature neutron, very little energy, bumps into the nucleus of a uranium-235 atom it would lead to a massive response. Isidore Rabi, one of the great physicists of this era, said it would have been like the moon struck the earth. The reaction was, as physicists say, fiercely exothermic. It puts out a lot more energy than you have to use to get it started. Once they did the numbers on that, and once they figured out how much uranium you would need to have in one place to make a bomb or to make fission get going, and once they were sure that there would be a chain reaction, meaning a couple of neutrons would come out of the reaction from one atom, and those two or three would go on and bump into other Uranium atoms, which would then fission them, and you'd get a geometric exponential. You'd get 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, and off of there. For most of our bombs today the initial fission, in 80 generations, leads to a city-busting explosion. And then they had to figure out how much material they would need, and that's something the Germans never really figured out, fortunately for the rest of us. They were still working on the idea that somehow a reactor would be what you would build. When Niels Bohr, the great Danish physicist, escaped from Denmark in 1943 and came to England and then United States, he brought with him a rough sketch that Werner Heisenberg, the leading scientist in the German program, had handed him in the course of trying to find out what Bohr knew about what America was doing. And he showed it to the guys at Los Alamos and Hans Bethe, one of the great Nobel laureate physicists in the group, said — “Are the Germans trying to throw a reactor down on us?” You can make a reactor blow up, we saw that at Chernobyl, but it's not a nuclear explosion on the scale that we're talking about with the bomb. So when a couple of these emigres Jewish physicists from Nazi Germany were whiling away their time in England after they escaped, because they were still technically enemy aliens and therefore could not be introduced to top secret discussions, one of them asked the other — “How much would we need of pure uranium-235, this rare isotope of uranium that chain reacts? How much would we need to make a bomb?” And they did the numbers and they came up with one pound, which was startling to them. Of course, it is more than that. It's about 125 pounds, but that's just a softball. That's not that much material. And then they did the numbers about what it would cost to build a factory to pull this one rare isotope of uranium out of the natural metal, which has several isotopes mixed together. And they figured it wouldn't cost more than it would cost to build a battleship, which is not that much money for a country at war. Certainly the British had plenty of battleships at that point in time. So they put all this together and they wrote a report which they handed through their superior physicists at Manchester University where they were based, who quickly realized how important this was. The United States lagged behind because we were not yet at war, but the British were. London was being bombed in the blitz. So they saw the urgency, first of all, of eating Germany to the punch, second of all of the possibility of building a bomb. In this report, these two scientists wrote that no physical structure came to their minds which could offer protection against a bomb of such ferocious explosive power. This report was from 1940 long before the Manhattan Project even got started. They said in this report, the only way we could think of to protect you against a bomb would be to have a bomb of similar destructive force that could be threatened for use if the other side attacked you. That's deterrence. That's a concept that was developed even before the war began in the United States. You put all those pieces together and you have a situation where you have to build a bomb because whoever builds the first bomb theoretically could prevent you from building more or prevent another country from building any and could dominate the world. And the notion of Adolf Hitler dominating the world, the Third Reich with nuclear weapons, was horrifying. Put all that together and the answer is every country that had the technological infrastructure to even remotely have the possibility of building everything you'd have to build to get the material for a bomb started work on thinking about it as soon as nuclear fusion was announced to the world. France, the Soviet Union, Great Britain, the United States, even Japan. So I think the bomb would have been developed but maybe not so quickly. Dwarkesh Patel 0:14:10In the book you talk that for some reason the Germans thought that the critical mass was something like 10 tons, they had done some miscalculation.Richard Rhodes 0:14:18A reactor. Dwarkesh Patel 0:14:19You also have some interesting stories in the book about how different countries found out the Americans were working on the bomb. For example, the Russians saw that all the top physicists, chemists, and metallurgists were no longer publishing. They had just gone offline and so they figured that something must be going on. I'm not sure if you're aware that while the subject of the Making of the Atomic Bomb in and of itself is incredibly fascinating, this book has become a cult classic in AI. Are you familiar with this? Richard Rhodes 0:14:52No. Dwarkesh Patel 0:14:53The people who are working on AI right now are huge fans of yours. They're the ones who initially recommended the book to me because the way they see the progress in the field reminded them of this book. Because you start off with these initial scientific hints. With deep learning, for example, here's something that can teach itself any function is similar to Szilárd noticing the nuclear chain reaction. In AI there's these scaling laws that say that if you make the model this much bigger, it gets much better at reasoning, at predicting text, and so on. And then you can extrapolate this curve. And you can see we get two more orders of magnitude, and we get to something that looks like human level intelligence. Anyway, a lot of the people who are working in AI have become huge fans of your book because of this reason. They see a lot of analogies in the next few years. They must be at page 400 in their minds of where the Manhattan Project was.Richard Rhodes 0:15:55We must later on talk about unintended consequences. I find the subject absolutely fascinating. I think my next book might be called Unintended Consequences. Dwarkesh Patel 0:16:10You mentioned that a big reason why many of the scientists wanted to work on the bomb, especially the Jewish emigres, was because they're worried about Hitler getting it first. As you mentioned at some point, 1943, 1944, it was becoming obvious that Hitler, the Nazis were not close to the bomb. And I believe that almost none of the scientists quit after they found out that the Nazis weren't close. So why didn't more of them say — “Oh, I guess we were wrong. The Nazis aren't going to get it. We don't need to be working on it.”?Richard Rhodes 0:16:45There was only one who did that, Joseph Rotblat. In May of 1945 when he heard that Germany had been defeated, he packed up and left. General Groves, the imperious Army Corps of Engineers General who ran the entire Manhattan Project, was really upset. He was afraid he'd spill the beans. So he threatened to have him arrested and put in jail. But Rotblat was quite determined not to stay any longer. He was not interested in building bombs to aggrandize the national power of the United States of America, which is perfectly understandable. But why was no one else? Let me tell it in terms of Victor Weisskopf. He was an Austrian theoretical physicist, who, like the others, escaped when the Nazis took over Germany and then Austria and ended up at Los Alamos. Weisskopf wrote later — “There we were in Los Alamos in the midst of the darkest part of our science.” They were working on a weapon of mass destruction, that's pretty dark. He said “Before it had almost seemed like a spiritual quest.” And it's really interesting how different physics was considered before and after the Second World War. Before the war, one of the physicists in America named Louis Alvarez told me when he got his PhD in physics at Berkeley in 1937 and went to cocktail parties, people would ask, “What's your degree in?” He would tell them “Chemistry.” I said, “Louis, why?” He said, “because I don't really have to explain what physics was.” That's how little known this kind of science was at that time. There were only about 1,000 physicists in the whole world in 1900. By the mid-30s, there were a lot more, of course. There'd been a lot of nuclear physics and other kinds of physics done by them. But it was still arcane. And they didn't feel as if they were doing anything mean or dirty or warlike at all. They were just doing pure science. Then nuclear fission came along. It was publicized worldwide. People who've been born since after the Second World War don't realize that it was not a secret at first. The news was published first in a German chemistry journal, Die Naturwissenschaften, and then in the British journal Nature and then in American journals. And there were headlines in the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, the Chicago Tribune, and all over the world. People had been reading about and thinking about how to get energy out of the atomic nucleus for a long time. It was clear there was a lot there. All you had to do was get a piece of radium and see that it glowed in the dark. This chunk of material just sat there, you didn't plug it into a wall. And if you held it in your hand, it would burn you. So where did that energy come from? The physicists realized it all came from the nucleus of the atom, which is a very small part of the whole thing. The nucleus is 1/100,000th the diameter of the whole atom. Someone in England described it as about the size of a fly in a cathedral. All of the energy that's involved in chemical reactions, comes from the electron cloud that's around the nucleus. But it was clear that the nucleus was the center of powerful forces. But the question was, how do you get them out? The only way that the nucleus had been studied up to 1938 was by bombarding it with protons, which have the same electric charge as the nucleus, positive charge, which means they were repelled by it. So you had to accelerate them to high speeds with various versions of the big machines that we've all become aware of since then. The cyclotron most obviously built in the 30s, but there were others as well. And even then, at best, you could chip a little piece off. You could change an atom one step up or one step down the periodic table. This was the classic transmutation of medieval alchemy sure but it wasn't much, you didn't get much out. So everyone came to think of the nucleus of the atom like a little rock that you really had to hammer hard to get anything to happen with it because it was so small and dense. That's why nuclear fission, with this slow neutron drifting and then the whole thing just goes bang, was so startling to everybody. So startling that when it happened, most of the physicists who would later work on the bomb and others as well, realized that they had missed the reaction that was something they could have staged on a lab bench with the equipment on the shelf. Didn't have to invent anything new. And Louis Alvarez again, this physicist at Berkeley, he said — “I was getting my hair cut. When I read the newspaper, I pulled off the robe and half with my hair cut, ran to my lab, pulled some equipment off the shelf, set it up and there it was.” So he said, “I discovered nuclear fission, but it was two days too late.” And that happened all over. People were just hitting themselves on the head and saying, well, Niels Bohr said, “What fools we've all been.” So this is a good example of how in science, if your model you're working with is wrong it doesn't lead you down the right path. There was only one physicist who really was thinking the right way about the uranium atom and that was Niels Bohr. He wondered, sometime during the 30s, why uranium was the last natural element in the periodic table? What is different about the others that would come later? He visualized the nucleus as a liquid drop. I always like to visualize it as a water-filled balloon. It's wobbly, it's not very stable. The protons in the nucleus are held together by something called the strong force, but they still have the repellent positive electric charge that's trying to push them apart when you get enough of them into a nucleus. It's almost a standoff between the strong force and all the electrical charge. So it is like a wobbly balloon of water. And then you see why a neutron just falling into the nucleus would make it wobble around even more and in one of its configurations, it might take a dumbbell shape. And then you'd have basically two charged atoms just barely connected, trying to push each other apart. And often enough, they went the whole way. When they did that, these two new elements, half the weight of uranium, way down the periodic table, would reconfigure themselves into two separate nuclei. And in doing so, they would release some energy. And that was the energy that came out of the reaction and there was a lot of energy. So Bohr thought about the model in the right way. The chemists who actually discovered nuclear fusion didn't know what they were gonna get. They were just bombarding a solution of uranium nitrate with neutrons thinking, well, maybe we can make a new element, maybe a first man-made element will come out of our work. So when they analyzed the solution after they bombarded it, they found elements halfway down the periodic table. They shouldn't have been there. And they were totally baffled. What is this doing here? Do we contaminate our solution? No. They had been working with a physicist named Lisa Meitner who was a theoretical physicist, an Austrian Jew. She had gotten out of Nazi Germany not long before. But they were still in correspondence with her. So they wrote her a letter. I held that letter in my hand when I visited Berlin and I was in tears. You don't hold history of that scale in your hands very often. And it said in German — “We found this strange reaction in our solution. What are these elements doing there that don't belong there?” And she went for a walk in a little village in Western Sweden with her nephew, Otto Frisch, who was also a nuclear physicist. And they thought about it for a while and they remembered Bohr's model, the wobbly water-filled balloon. And they suddenly saw what could happen. And that's where the news came from, the physics news as opposed to the chemistry news from the guys in Germany that was published in all the Western journals and all the newspapers. And everybody had been talking about, for years, what you could do if you had that kind of energy. A glass of this material would drive the Queen Mary back and forth from New York to London 20 times and so forth, your automobile could run for months. People were thinking about what would be possible if you had that much available energy. And of course, people had thought about reactors. Robert Oppenheimer was a professor at Berkeley and within a week of the news reaching Berkeley, one of his students told me that he had a drawing on the blackboard, a rather bad drawing of both a reactor and a bomb. So again, because the energy was so great, the physics was pretty obvious. Whether it would actually happen depended on some other things like could you make it chain react? But fundamentally, the idea was all there at the very beginning and everybody jumped on it. Dwarkesh Patel 0:27:54The book is actually the best history of World War II I've ever read. It's about the atomic bomb, but it's interspersed with the events that are happening in World War II, which motivate the creation of the bomb or the release of it, why it had to be dropped on Japan given the Japanese response. The first third is about the scientific roots of the physics and it's also the best book I've read about the history of science in the early 20th century and the organization of it. There's some really interesting stuff in there. For example, there was a passage where you talk about how there's a real master apprentice model in early science where if you wanted to learn to do this kind of experimentation, you will go to Amsterdam where the master of it is residing. It's much more individual focused. Richard Rhodes 0:28:58Yeah, the whole European model of graduate study, which is basically the wandering scholar. You could go wherever you wanted to and sign up with whoever was willing to have you sign up. (0:29:10) - Firebombing vs nuclear vs hydrogen bombsDwarkesh Patel 0:29:10But the question I wanted to ask regarding the history you made of World War II in general is — there's one way you can think about the atom bomb which is that it is completely different from any sort of weaponry that has been developed before it. Another way you can think of it is there's a spectrum where on one end you have the thermonuclear bomb, in the middle you have the atom bomb, and on this end you have the firebombing of cities like Hamburg and Dresden and Tokyo. Do you think of these as completely different categories or does it seem like an escalating gradient to you? Richard Rhodes 0:29:47I think until you get to the hydrogen bomb, it's really an escalating gradient. The hydrogen bomb can be made arbitrarily large. The biggest one ever tested was 56 megatons of TNT equivalent. The Soviet tested that. That had a fireball more than five miles in diameter, just the fireball. So that's really an order of magnitude change. But the other one's no and in fact, I think one of the real problems, this has not been much discussed and it should be, when American officials went to Hiroshima and Nagasaki after the war, one of them said later — “I got on a plane in Tokyo. We flew down the long green archipelago of the Japanese home island. When I left Tokyo, it was all gray broken roof tiles from the fire bombing and the other bombings. And then all this greenery. And then when we flew over Hiroshima, it was just gray broken roof tiles again.” So the scale of the bombing with one bomb, in the case of Hiroshima, was not that different from the scale of the fire bombings that had preceded it with tens of thousands of bombs. The difference was it was just one plane. In fact, the people in Hiroshima didn't even bother to go into their bomb shelters because one plane had always just been a weather plane. Coming over to check the weather before the bombers took off. So they didn't see any reason to hide or protect themselves, which was one of the reasons so many people were killed. The guys at Los Alamos had planned on the Japanese being in their bomb shelters. They did everything they could think of to make the bomb as much like ordinary bombing as they could. And for example, it was exploded high enough above ground, roughly 1,800 yards, so that the fireball that would form from this really very small nuclear weapon — by modern standards — 15 kilotons of TNT equivalent, wouldn't touch the ground and stir up dirt and irradiate it and cause massive radioactive fallout. It never did that. They weren't sure there would be any fallout. They thought the plutonium and the bomb over Nagasaki now would just kind of turn into a gas and blow away. That's not exactly what happened. But people don't seem to realize, and it's never been emphasized enough, these first bombs, like all nuclear weapons, were firebombs. Their job was to start mass fires, just exactly like all the six-pound incendiaries that had been destroying every major city in Japan by then. Every major city above 50,000 population had already been burned out. The only reason Hiroshima and Nagasaki were around to be atomic bombed is because they'd been set aside from the target list, because General Groves wanted to know what the damage effects would be. The bomb that was tested in the desert didn't tell you anything. It killed a lot of rabbits, knocked down a lot of cactus, melted some sand, but you couldn't see its effect on buildings and on people. So the bomb was deliberately intended to be as much not like poison gas, for example, because we didn't want the reputation for being like people in the war in Europe during the First World War, where people were killing each other with horrible gasses. We just wanted people to think this was another bombing. So in that sense, it was. Of course, there was radioactivity. And of course, some people were killed by it. But they calculated that the people who would be killed by the irradiation, the neutron radiation from the original fireball, would be close enough to the epicenter of the explosion that they would be killed by the blast or the flash of light, which was 10,000 degrees. The world's worst sunburn. You've seen stories of people walking around with their skin hanging off their arms. I've had sunburns almost that bad, but not over my whole body, obviously, where the skin actually peeled blisters and peels off. That was a sunburn from a 10,000 degree artificial sun. Dwarkesh Patel 0:34:29So that's not the heat, that's just the light? Richard Rhodes 0:34:32Radiant light, radiant heat. 10,000 degrees. But the blast itself only extended out a certain distance, it was fire. And all the nuclear weapons that have ever been designed are basically firebombs. That's important because the military in the United States after the war was not able to figure out how to calculate the effects of this weapon in a reliable way that matched their previous experience. They would only calculate the blast effects of a nuclear weapon when they figured their targets. That's why we had what came to be called overkill. We wanted redundancy, of course, but 60 nuclear weapons on Moscow was way beyond what would be necessary to destroy even that big a city because they were only calculating the blast. But in fact, if you exploded a 300 kiloton nuclear warhead over the Pentagon at 3,000 feet, it would blast all the way out to the capital, which isn't all that far. But if you counted the fire, it would start a mass-fire and then it would reach all the way out to the Beltway and burn everything between the epicenter of the weapon and the Beltway. All organic matter would be totally burned out, leaving nothing but mineral matter, basically. Dwarkesh Patel 0:36:08I want to emphasize two things you said because they really hit me in reading the book and I'm not sure if the audience has fully integrated them. The first is, in the book, the military planners and Groves, they talk about needing to use the bomb sooner rather than later, because they were running out of cities in Japan where there are enough buildings left that it would be worth bombing in the first place, which is insane. An entire country is almost already destroyed from fire bombing alone. And the second thing about the category difference between thermonuclear and atomic bombs. Daniel Ellsberg, the nuclear planner who wrote the Doomsday machine, he talks about, people don't understand that the atom bomb that resulted in the pictures we see of Nagasaki and Hiroshima, that is simply the detonator of a modern nuclear bomb, which is an insane thing to think about. So for example, 10 and 15 kilotons is the Hiroshima Nagasaki and the Tsar Bomba, which was 50 megatons. So more than 1,000 times as much. And that wasn't even as big as they could make it. They kept the uranium tamper off, because they didn't want to destroy all of Siberia. So you could get more than 10,000 times as powerful. Richard Rhodes 0:37:31When Edward Teller, co-inventor of the hydrogen bomb and one of the dark forces in the story, was consulting with our military, just for his own sake, he sat down and calculated, how big could you make a hydrogen bomb? He came up with 1,000 megatons. And then he looked at the effects. 1,000 megatons would be a fireball 10 miles in diameter. And the atmosphere is only 10 miles deep. He figured that it would just be a waste of energy, because it would all blow out into space. Some of it would go laterally, of course, but most of it would just go out into space. So a bomb more than 100 megatons would just be totally a waste of time. Of course, a 100 megatons bomb is also a total waste, because there's no target on Earth big enough to justify that from a military point of view. Robert Oppenheimer, when he had his security clearance questioned and then lifted when he was being punished for having resisted the development of the hydrogen bomb, was asked by the interrogator at this security hearing — “Well, Dr. Oppenheimer, if you'd had a hydrogen bomb for Hiroshima, wouldn't you have used it?” And Oppenheimer said, “No.” The interrogator asked, “Why is that?” He said because the target was too small. I hope that scene is in the film, I'm sure it will be. So after the war, when our bomb planners and some of our scientists went into Hiroshima and Nagasaki, just about as soon as the surrender was signed, what they were interested in was the scale of destruction, of course. And those two cities didn't look that different from the other cities that had been firebombed with small incendiaries and ordinary high explosives. They went home to Washington, the policy makers, with the thought that — “Oh, these bombs are not so destructive after all.” They had been touted as city busters, basically, and they weren't. They didn't completely burn out cities. They were not certainly more destructive than the firebombing campaign, when everything of more than 50,000 population had already been destroyed. That, in turn, influenced the judgment about what we needed to do vis-a-vis the Soviet Union when the Soviets got the bomb in 1949. There was a general sense that, when you could fight a war with nuclear weapons, deterrence or not, you would need quite a few of them to do it right. And the Air Force, once it realized that it could aggrandize its own share of the federal budget by cornering the market and delivering nuclear weapons, very quickly decided that they would only look at the blast effect and not the fire effect. It's like tying one hand behind your back. Most of it was a fire effect. So that's where they came up with numbers like we need 60 of these to take out Moscow. And what the Air Force figured out by the late 1940s is that the more targets, the more bombs. The more bombs, the more planes. The more planes, the biggest share of the budget. So by the mid 1950s, the Air Force commanded 47% of the federal defense budget. And the other branches of services, which had not gone nuclear by then, woke up and said, we'd better find some use for these weapons in our branches of service. So the Army discovered that it needed nuclear weapons, tactical weapons for field use, fired out of cannons. There was even one that was fired out of a shoulder mounted rifle. There was a satchel charge that two men could carry, weighed about 150 pounds, that could be used to dig a ditch so that Soviet tanks couldn't cross into Germany. And of course the Navy by then had been working hard with General Rickover on building a nuclear submarine that could carry ballistic missiles underwater in total security. No way anybody could trace those submarines once they were quiet enough. And a nuclear reactor is very quiet. It just sits there with neutrons running around, making heat. So the other services jumped in and this famous triad, we must have these three different kinds of nuclear weapons, baloney. We would be perfectly safe if we only had our nuclear submarines. And only one or two of those. One nuclear submarine can take out all of Europe or all of the Soviet Union.Dwarkesh Patel 0:42:50Because it has multiple nukes on it? Richard Rhodes 0:42:53Because they have 16 intercontinental ballistic missiles with MIRV warheads, at least three per missile. Dwarkesh Patel 0:43:02Wow. I had a former guest, Richard Hanania, who has a book about foreign policy where he points out that our model of thinking about why countries do the things they do, especially in foreign affairs, is wrong because we think of them as individual rational actors, when in fact it's these competing factions within the government. And in fact, you see this especially in the case of Japan in World War II, there was a great book of Japan leading up to World War II, where they talk about how a branch of the Japanese military, I forget which, needed more oil to continue their campaign in Manchuria so they forced these other branches to escalate. But it's so interesting that the reason we have so many nukes is that the different branches are competing for funding. Richard Rhodes 0:43:50Douhet, the theorist of air power, had been in the trenches in the First World War. Somebody (John Masefield) called the trenches of the First World War, the long grave already dug, because millions of men were killed and the trenches never moved, a foot this way, a foot that way, all this horror. And Douhet came up with the idea that if you could fly over the battlefield to the homeland of the enemy and destroy his capacity to make war, then the people of that country, he theorized, would rise up in rebellion and throw out their leaders and sue for peace. And this became the dream of all the Air Forces of the world, but particularly ours. Until around 1943, it was called the US Army Air Force. The dream of every officer in the Air Force was to get out from under the Army, not just be something that delivers ground support or air support to the Army as it advances, but a power that could actually win wars. And the missing piece had always been the scale of the weaponry they carried. So when the bomb came along, you can see why Curtis LeMay, who ran the strategic air command during the prime years of that force, was pushing for bigger and bigger bombs. Because if a plane got shot down, but the one behind it had a hydrogen bomb, then it would be just almost as effective as the two planes together. So they wanted big bombs. And they went after Oppenheimer because he thought that was a terrible way to go, that there was really no military use for these huge weapons. Furthermore, the United States had more cities than Russia did, than the Soviet Union did. And we were making ourselves a better target by introducing a weapon that could destroy a whole state. I used to live in Connecticut and I saw a map that showed the air pollution that blew up from New York City to Boston. And I thought, well, now if that was fallout, we'd be dead up here in green, lovely Connecticut. That was the scale that it was going to be with these big new weapons. So on the one hand, you had some of the important leaders in the government thinking that these weapons were not the war-winning weapons that the Air Force wanted them and realized they could be. And on the other hand, you had the Air Force cornering the market on nuclear solutions to battles. All because some guy in a trench in World War I was sufficiently horrified and sufficiently theoretical about what was possible with air power. Remember, they were still flying biplanes. When H.G. Wells wrote his novel, The World Set Free in 1913, predicting an atomic war that would lead to world government, he had Air Forces delivering atomic bombs, but he forgot to update his planes. The guys in the back seat, the bombardiers, were sitting in a biplane, open cockpit. And when the pilots had dropped the bomb, they would reach down and pick up H.G. Wells' idea of an atomic bomb and throw it over the side. Which is kind of what was happening in Washington after the war. And it led us to a terribly misleading and unfortunate perspective on how many weapons we needed, which in turn fermented the arms race with the Soviets and just chased off. In the Soviet Union, they had a practical perspective on factories. Every factory was supposed to produce 120% of its target every year. That was considered good Soviet realism. And they did that with their nuclear war weapons. So by the height of the Cold War, they had 75,000 nuclear weapons, and nobody had heard yet of nuclear winter. So if both sides had set off this string of mass traps that we had in our arsenals, it would have been the end of the human world without question. Dwarkesh Patel 0:48:27It raises an interesting question, if the military planners thought that the conventional nuclear weapon was like the fire bombing, would it have been the case that if there wasn't a thermonuclear weapon, that there actually would have been a nuclear war by now because people wouldn't have been thinking of it as this hard red line? Richard Rhodes 0:48:47I don't think so because we're talking about one bomb versus 400, and one plane versus 400 planes and thousands of bombs. That scale was clear. Deterrence was the more important business. Everyone seemed to understand even the spies that the Soviets had connected up to were wholesaling information back to the Soviet Union. There's this comic moment when Truman is sitting with Joseph Stalin at Potsdam, and he tells Stalin, we have a powerful new weapon. And that's as much as he's ready to say about it. And Stalin licks at him and says, “Good, I hope you put it to good use with the Japanese.” Stalin knows exactly what he's talking about. He's seen the design of the fat man type Nagasaki plutonium bomb. He has held it in his hands because they had spies all over the place. (0:49:44) - Stalin & the Soviet programDwarkesh Patel 0:49:44How much longer would it have taken the Soviets to develop the bomb if they didn't have any spies? Richard Rhodes 0:49:49Probably not any longer. Dwarkesh Patel 0:49:51Really? Richard Rhodes 0:49:51When the Soviet Union collapsed in the winter of ‘92, I ran over there as quickly as I could get over there. In this limbo between forming a new kind of government and some of the countries pulling out and becoming independent and so forth, their nuclear scientists, the ones who'd worked on their bombs were free to talk. And I found that out through Yelena Bonner, Andrei Sakharov's widow, who was connected to people I knew. And she said, yeah, come on over. Her secretary, Sasha, who was a geologist about 35 years old became my guide around the country. We went to various apartments. They were retired guys from the bomb program and were living on, as far as I could tell, sac-and-potatoes and some salt. They had government pensions and the money was worth a salt, all of a sudden. I was buying photographs from them, partly because I needed the photographs and partly because 20 bucks was two months' income at that point. So it was easy for me and it helped them. They had first class physicists in the Soviet Union, they do in Russian today. They told me that by 1947, they had a design for a bomb that they said was half the weight and twice the yield of the Fat Man bomb. The Fat Man bomb was the plutonium implosion, right? And it weighed about 9,000 pounds. They had a much smaller and much more deliverable bomb with a yield of about 44 kilotons. Dwarkesh Patel 0:51:41Why was Soviet physics so good?Richard Rhodes 0:51:49The Russian mind? I don't know. They learned all their technology from the French in the 19th century, which is why there's so many French words in Russian. So they got good teachers, the French are superb technicians, they aren't so good at building things, but they're very good at designing things. There's something about Russia, I don't know if it's the language or the education. They do have good education, they did. But I remember asking them when they were working, I said — On the hydrogen bomb, you didn't have any computers yet. We only had really early primitive computers to do the complicated calculations of the hydrodynamics of that explosion. I said, “What did you do?” They said, “Oh, we just used nuclear. We just used theoretical physics.” Which is what we did at Los Alamos. We had guys come in who really knew their math and they would sit there and work it out by hand. And women with old Marchant calculators running numbers. So basically they were just good scientists and they had this new design. Kurchatov who ran the program took Lavrentiy Beria, who ran the NKVD who was put in charge of the program and said — “Look, we can build you a better bomb. You really wanna waste the time to make that much more uranium and plutonium?” And Beria said, “Comrade, I want the American bomb. Give me the American bomb or you and all your families will be camp dust.” I talked to one of the leading scientists in the group and he said, we valued our lives, we valued our families. So we gave them a copy of the plutonium implosion bomb. Dwarkesh Patel 0:53:37Now that you explain this, when the Soviet Union fell, why didn't North Korea, Iran or another country, send a few people to the fallen Soviet Union to recruit a few of the scientists to start their own program? Or buy off their stockpiles or something. Or did they?Richard Rhodes 0:53:59There was some effort by countries in the Middle East to get all the enriched uranium, which they wouldn't sell them. These were responsible scientists. They told me — we worked on the bomb because you had it and we didn't want there to be a monopoly on the part of any country in the world. So patriotically, even though Stalin was in charge of our country, he was a monster. We felt that it was our responsibility to work on these things, even Sakharov. There was a great rush at the end of the Second World War to get hold of German scientists. And about an equal number were grabbed by the Soviets. All of the leading German scientists, like Heisenberg and Hans and others, went west as fast as they could. They didn't want to be captured by the Soviets. But there were some who were. And they helped them work. People have the idea that Los Alamos was where the bomb happened. And it's true that at Los Alamos, we had the team that designed, developed, and built the first actual weapons. But the truth is, the important material for weapons is the uranium or plutonium. One of the scientists in the Manhattan Project told me years later, you can make a pretty high-level nuclear explosion just by taking two subcritical pieces of uranium, putting one on the floor and dropping the other by hand from a height of about six feet. If that's true, then all this business about secret designs and so forth is hogwash. What you really need for a weapon is the critical mass of highly enriched uranium, 90% of uranium-235. If you've got that, there are lots of different ways to make the bomb. We had two totally different ways that we used. The gun on the one hand for uranium, and then because plutonium was so reactive that if you fired up the barrel of a cannon at 3,000 feet per second, it would still melt down before the two pieces made it up. So for that reason, they had to invent an entirely new technology, which was an amazing piece of work. From the Soviet point of view, and I think this is something people don't know either, but it puts the Russian experience into a better context. All the way back in the 30s, since the beginning of the Soviet Union after the First World War, they had been sending over espionage agents connected up to Americans who were willing to work for them to collect industrial technology. They didn't have it when they began their country. It was very much an agricultural country. And in that regard, people still talk about all those damn spies stealing our secrets, we did the same thing with the British back in colonial days. We didn't know how to make a canal that wouldn't drain out through the soil. The British had a certain kind of clay that they would line their canals with, and there were canals all over England, even in the 18th century, that were impervious to the flow of water. And we brought a British engineer at great expense to teach us how to make the lining for the canals that opened up the Middle West and then the West. So they were doing the same thing. And one of those spies was a guy named Harry Gold, who was working all the time for them. He gave them some of the basic technology of Kodak filmmaking, for example. Harry Gold was the connection between David Greenglass and one of the American spies at Los Alamos and the Soviet Union. So it was not different. The model was — never give us something that someone dreamed of that hasn't been tested and you know works. So it would actually be blueprints for factories, not just a patent. And therefore when Beria after the war said, give us the bomb, he meant give me the American bomb because we know that works. I don't trust you guys. Who knows what you'll do. You're probably too stupid anyway. He was that kind of man. So for all of those reasons, they built the second bomb they tested was twice the yield and half the way to the first bomb. In other words, it was their new design. And so it was ours because the technology was something that we knew during the war, but it was too theoretical still to use. You just had to put the core and have a little air gap between the core and the explosives so that the blast wave would have a chance to accelerate through an open gap. And Alvarez couldn't tell me what it was but he said, you can get a lot more destructive force with a hammer if you hit something with it, rather than if you put the head on the hammer and push. And it took me several years before I figured out what he meant. I finally understood he was talking about what's called levitation.Dwarkesh Patel 0:59:41On the topic that the major difficulty in developing a bomb is either the refinement of uranium into U-235 or its transmutation into plutonium, I was actually talking to a physicist in preparation for this conversation. He explained the same thing that if you get two subcritical masses of uranium together, you wouldn't have the full bomb because it would start to tear itself apart without the tamper, but you would still have more than one megaton.Richard Rhodes 1:00:12It would be a few kilotons. Alvarez's model would be a few kilotons, but that's a lot. Dwarkesh Patel 1:00:20Yeah, sorry I meant kiloton. He claimed that one of the reasons why we talk so much about Los Alamos is that at the time the government didn't want other countries to know that if you refine uranium, you've got it. So they were like, oh, we did all this fancy physics work in Los Alamos that you're not gonna get to, so don't even worry about it. I don't know what you make of that theory. That basically it was sort of a way to convince people that Los Alamos was important. Richard Rhodes 1:00:49I think all the physics had been checked out by a lot of different countries by then. It was pretty clear to everybody what you needed to do to get to a bomb. That there was a fast fusion reaction, not a slow fusion reaction, like a reactor. They'd worked that out. So I don't think that's really the problem. But to this day, no one ever talks about the fact that the real problem isn't the design of the weapon. You could make one with wooden boxes if you wanted to. The problem is getting the material. And that's good because it's damned hard to make that stuff. And it's something you can protect. Dwarkesh Patel 1:01:30We also have gotten very lucky, if lucky is the word you want to use. I think you mentioned this in the book at some point, but the laws of physics could have been such that unrefined uranium ore was enough to build a nuclear weapon, right? In some sense, we got lucky that it takes a nation-state level actor to really refine and produce the raw substance. Richard Rhodes 1:01:56Yeah, I was thinking about that this morning on the way over. And all the uranium in the world would already have destroyed itself. Most people have never heard of the living reactors that developed on their own in a bed of uranium ore in Africa about two billion years ago, right? When there was more U-235 in a mass of uranium ore than there is today, because it decays like all radioactive elements. And the French discovered it when they were mining the ore and found this bed that had a totally different set of nuclear characteristics. They were like, what happened? But there were natural reactors in Gabon once upon a time. And they started up because some water, a moderator to make the neutrons slow down, washed its way down through a bed of much more highly enriched uranium ore than we still have today. Maybe 5-10% instead of 3.5 or 1.5, whatever it is now. And they ran for about 100,000 years and then shut themselves down because they had accumulated enough fusion products that the U-235 had been used up. Interestingly, this material never migrated out of the bed of ore. People today who are anti-nuclear say, well, what are we gonna do about the waste? Where are we gonna put all that waste? It's silly. Dwarkesh Patel 1:03:35Shove it in a hole. Richard Rhodes 1:03:36Yeah, basically. That's exactly what we're planning to do. Holes that are deep enough and in beds of material that will hold them long enough for everything to decay back to the original ore. It's not a big problem except politically because nobody wants it in their backyard.Dwarkesh Patel 1:03:53On the topic of the Soviets, one question I had while reading the book was — we negotiated with Stalin at Yalta and we surrendered a large part of Eastern Europe to him under his sphere of influence. And obviously we saw 50 years of immiseration there as a result. Given the fact that only we had the bomb, would it have been possible that we could have just knocked out the Soviet Union or at least prevented so much of the world from succumbing to communism in the aftermath of World War II? Is that a possibility? Richard Rhodes 1:04:30When we say we had the bomb, we had a few partly assembled handmade bombs. It took almost as long to assemble one as the battery life of the batteries that would drive the original charge that would set off the explosion. It was a big bluff. You know, when they closed Berlin in 1948 and we had to supply Berlin by air with coal and food for a whole winter, we moved some B-29s to England. The B-29 being the bomber that had carried the bombs. They were not outfitted for nuclear weapons. They didn't have the same kind of bomb-based structure. The weapons that were dropped in Japan had a single hook that held the entire bomb. So when the bay opened and the hook was released, the thing dropped. And that's very different from dropping whole rows of small bombs that you've seen in the photographs and the film footage. So it was a big bluff on our part. We took some time after the war inevitably to pull everything together. Here was a brand new technology. Here was a brand new weapon. Who was gonna be in charge of it? The military wanted control, Truman wasn't about to give the military control. He'd been an artillery officer in the First World War. He used to say — “No, damn artillery captain is gonna start World War III when I'm president.” I grew up in the same town he lived in so I know his accent. Independence, Missouri. Used to see him at his front steps taking pictures with tourists while he was still president. He used to step out on the porch and let the tourists take photographs. About a half a block from my Methodist church where I went to church. It was interesting. Interestingly, his wife was considered much more socially acceptable than he was. She was from an old family in independence, Missouri. And he was some farmer from way out in Grandview, Missouri, South of Kansas City. Values. Anyway, at the end of the war, there was a great rush from the Soviet side of what was already a zone. There was a Soviet zone, a French zone, British zone and an American zone. Germany was divided up into those zones to grab what's left of the uranium ore that the Germans had stockpiled. And there was evidence that there was a number of barrels of the stuff in a warehouse somewhere in the middle of all of this. And there's a very funny story about how the Russians ran in and grabbed off one site full of uranium ore, this yellow black stuff in what were basically wine barrels. And we at the same night, just before the wall came down between the zones, were running in from the other side, grabbing some other ore and then taking it back to our side. But there was also a good deal of requisitioning of German scientists. And the ones who had gotten away early came West, but there were others who didn't and ended up helping the Soviets. And they were told, look, you help us build the reactors and the uranium separation systems that we need. And we'll let you go home and back to your family, which they did. Early 50s by then, the German scientists who had helped the Russians went home. And I think our people stayed here and brought their families over, I don't know. (1:08:24) - Deterrence, disarmament, North Korea, TaiwanDwarkesh Patel 1:08:24Was there an opportunity after the end of World War II, before the Soviets developed the bomb, for the US to do something where either it somehow enforced a monopoly on having the bomb, or if that wasn't possible, make some sort of credible gesture that, we're eliminating this knowledge, you guys don't work on this, we're all just gonna step back from this. Richard Rhodes 1:08:50We tried both before the war. General Groves, who had the mistaken impression that there was a limited amount of high-grade uranium ore in the world, put together a company that tried to corner the market on all the available supply. For some reason, he didn't realize that a country the size of the Soviet Union is going to have some uranium ore somewhere. And of course it did, in Kazakhstan, rich uranium ore, enough for all the bombs they wanted to build. But he didn't know that, and I frankly don't know why he didn't know that, but I guess uranium's use before the Second World War was basically as a glazing agent for pottery, that famous yellow pottery and orange pottery that people owned in the 1930s, those colors came from uranium, and they're sufficiently radioactive, even to this day, that if you wave a Geiger counter over them, you get some clicks. In fact, there have been places where they've gone in with masks and suits on, grabbed the Mexican pottery and taken it out in a lead-lined case. People have been so worried about it but that was the only use for uranium, to make a particular kind of glass. So once it became clear that there was another use for uranium, a much more important one, Groves tried to corner the world market, and he thought he had. So that was one effort to limit what the Soviet Union could do. Another was to negotiate some kind of agreement between the parties. That was something that really never got off the ground, because the German Secretary of State was an old Southern politician and he didn't trust the Soviets. He went to the first meeting, in Geneva in ‘45 after the war was over, and strutted around and said, well, I got the bomb in my pocket, so let's sit down and talk here. And the Soviet basically said, screw you. We don't care. We're not worried about your bomb. Go home. So that didn't work. Then there was the effort to get the United Nations to start to develop some program of international control. And the program was proposed originally by a committee put together by our State Department that included Robert Oppenheimer, rightly so, because the other members of the committee were industrialists, engineers, government officials, people with various kinds of expertise around the very complicated problems of technology and the science and, of course, the politics, the diplomacy. In a couple of weeks, Oppenheimer taught them the basics of the nuclear physics involved and what he knew about bomb design, which was everything, actually, since he'd run Los Alamos. He was a scientist during the war. And they came up with a plan. People have scoffed ever since at what came to be called the Acheson-Lilienthal plan named after the State Department people. But it's the only plan I think anyone has ever devised that makes real sense as to how you could have international control without a world government. Every country would be open to inspection by any agency that was set up. And the inspections would not be at the convenience of the country. But whenever the inspectors felt they needed to inspect. So what Oppenheimer called an open world. And if you had that, and then if each country then developed its own nuclear industries, nuclear power, medical uses, whatever, then if one country tried clandestinely to begin to build bombs, you would know about it at the time of the next inspection. And then you could try diplomacy. If that didn't work, you could try conventional war. If that wasn't sufficient, then you could start building your bombs too. And at the end of this sequence, which would be long enough, assuming that there were no bombs existing in the world, and the ore was stored in a warehouse somewhere, six months maybe, maybe a year, it would be time for everyone to scale up to deterrence with weapons rather than deterrence without weapons, with only the knowledge. That to me is the answer to the whole thing. And it might have worked. But there were two big problems. One, no country is going to allow a monopoly on a nuclear weapon, at least no major power. So the Russians were not willing to sign on from the beginning. They just couldn't. How could they? We would not have. Two, Sherman assigned a kind of a loudmouth, a wise old Wall Street guy to present this program to the United Nations. And he sat down with Oppenheimer after he and his people had studied and said, where's your army? Somebody starts working on a bomb over there. You've got to go in and take that out, don't you? He said, what would happen if one country started building a bomb? Oppenheimer said, well, that would be an act of war. Meaning then the other countries could begin to escalate as they needed to to protect themselves against one power, trying to overwhelm the rest. Well, Bernard Baruch was the name of the man. He didn't get it. So when he presented his revised version of the Acheson–Lilienthal Plan, which was called the Baruch Plan to the United Nations, he included his army. And he insisted that the United States would not give up its nuclear monopoly until everyone else had signed on. So of course, who's going to sign on to that deal? Dwarkesh Patel 1:15:24I feel he has a point in the sense that — World War II took five years or more. If we find that the Soviets are starting to develop a bomb, it's not like within the six months or a year or whatever, it would take them to start refining the ore. And to the point we found out that they've been refining ore to when we start a war and engage in it, and doing all the diplomacy. By that point, they might already have the bomb. And so we're behind because we dismantled our weapons. We are only starting to develop our weapons once we've exhausted these other avenues. Richard Rhodes 1:16:00Not to develop. Presumably we would have developed. And everybody would have developed anyway. Another way to think of this is as delayed delivery times. Takes about 30 minutes to get an ICBM from Central Missouri to Moscow. That's the time window for doing anything other than starting a nuclear war. So take the warhead off those missiles and move it down the road 10 miles. So then it takes three hours. You've got to put the warhead back on the missiles. If the other side is willing to do this too. And you both can watch and see. We require openness. A word Bohr introduced to this whole thing. In order to make this happen, you can't have secrets. And of course, as time passed on, we developed elaborate surveillance from space, surveillance from planes, and so forth. It would not have worked in 1946 for sure. The surveillance wasn't there. But that system is in place today. The International Atomic Energy Agency has detected systems in air, in space, underwater. They can detect 50 pounds of dynamite exploded in England from Australia with the systems that we have in place. It's technical rather than human resources. But it's there. So it's theoretically possible today to get started on such a program. Except, of course, now, in like 1950, the world is awash in nuclear weapons. Despite the reductions that have occurred since the end of the Cold War, there's still 30,000-40,000 nuclear weapons in the world. Way too many. Dwarkesh Patel 1:18:01Yeah. That's really interesting. What percentage of warheads do you think are accounted for by this organization? If there's 30,000 warheads, what percentage are accounted for? Richard Rhodes 1:18:12All.Dwarkesh Patel 1:18:12Oh. Really? North Korea doesn't have secrets? Richard Rhodes 1:18:13They're allowed to inspect anywhere without having to ask the government for permission. Dwarkesh Patel 1:18:18But presumably not North Korea or something, right? Richard Rhodes 1:18:21North Korea is an exception. But we keep pretty good track of North Korea needless to say. Dwarkesh Patel 1:18:27Are you surprised with how successful non-proliferation has been? The number of countries with nuclear weapons has not gone up for decades. Given the fact, as you were talking about earlier, it's simply a matter of refining or transmuting uranium. Is it surprising that there aren't more countries that have it?Richard Rhodes 1:18:42That's really an interesting part. Again, a part of the story that most people have never really heard. In the 50s, before the development and signing of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which was 1968 and it took effect in 1970, a lot of countries that you would never have imagined were working on nuclear weapons. Sweden, Norway, Japan, South Korea. They had the technology. They just didn't have the materials. It was kind of dicey about what you should do. But I interviewed some of the Swedish scientists who worked on their bomb and they said, well, we were just talking about making some tactical
When it comes to helping students learn more efficiently, Executive Function skills are the greatest tool teachers have at their disposal. Yet, many teachers aren't aware of their value, and the ones that do often don't know how to support them in the classroom. For example, we had one teacher ask us on our Facebook page how teachers can support their own Executive Function challenges while also managing a classroom full of kids who have varying degrees of Executive Function challenges, too. As soon as I read this question, I knew EF in the classroom was an important topic to cover on Focus Forward - and that I also had the perfect people to reach out to. BrainTracks is a separate division of Beyond BookSmart that's focused on training teachers in Executive Function tools and strategies that they can use in the classroom. I invited the program's director, Susan Lohman, and one of their School Training specialists, Allison Larthey, to talk about the role Executive Function skills play in the classroom and how teachers can help both their students and themselves develop these skills further. Listen in to learn how you can apply these same strategies to find more time and energy for learning at home or in the classroom. I hope you enjoy the conversation. Be sure to check out the relevant links and resources below that were mentioned in the episode!BraintracksBraintracks WebsiteBraintracks ResourcesYour Kid's Gonna Be Okay by Michael DelmanEp 15: Building Meaning: Life Lessons from an Executive Function PioneerTools6 Steps to Successful Goal Setting for Students (and Adults!)SMART Goals - How to Make Your Goals AchievableCircle of concern v Circle of control – Discovery in ActionMirror NeuronsMirror neurons: Enigma of the metaphysical modular brain - PMCThe Mind's MirrorContact us!Reach out to us at podcast@beyondbooksmart.comIG/FB/TikTok @beyondbooksmartcoachingTranscriptHannah Choi 00:04Hi everyone and welcome to Focus Forward, an executive function Podcast where we explore the challenges and celebrate the wins you'll experience as you change your life by working on improving your executive function skills. I'm your host, Hannah Choi Well, listeners, this episode is a celebration for me because we've officially been on the air for over one year now. I'd like to thank you all for listening. It really means the world to me and my podcast team. I'd like to thank them today too, for helping me bring executive function, skill, knowledge and information to as many people as possible. I am not kidding when I say this podcast would absolutely not be possible without them. I'd like to thank Sean Potts, our producer and editor, Justice Abbott, our content designer, Jackie Hebert, our director of marketing. Mimi Fernandez, our Director of Customer Success, and the rest of the Beyond BookSmart team, including Michael Delman and Rachel Krompinger who never fail to support us and our work. Something that's really important to me is helping people recognize that there are going to be areas of executive functioning that come easily to you, and other areas that probably always have been, and may always will be challenging for you. And this is okay. As we've been exploring over the last year, there are tools and strategies that can help immensely in those challenging areas. Someone asked about this on our Beyond BookSmart Facebook page. The person who posted the question wanted to know how teachers can support their own executive function skill challenges, while also managing a classroom full of kids whose EF skills are all still emerging and in various states of effectiveness. As soon as I read this question, I knew it was an important topic to cover on focus forward, and I knew exactly who I had to reach out to. If you've listened to Episode 15, where I interviewed Michael Delman, the founder and CEO of beyond booksmart, you will have heard us talk about the exciting development of our school division, which was created out of a desire to democratize access to the critical executive function skills education our one on one coaches provide. This school division has grown into what we now call BrainTracks, and is led by director Susan Lohman. I invited Susan and one of her school training specialists Allison Larthey on the podcast to talk about exactly what the Facebook comments are brought up - How to support executive function skill development in the classroom for both kids and their teachers. So listen to learn about the role executive function skills play in the classroom, tools that teachers can use to find more time and energy for learning. And how brain tracks is working diligently to create access to life changing executive function, skill development for all kids, their teachers and their families. Hi, Susan and Allison, thanks so much for joining me. Would you introduce yourself so our listeners know who you are. Susan, you want to start?Susan Lohman 03:25Sure. So I am Susan Lohman. I'm the Director of School Programming, BrainTracks - our school division, and I am a former teacher and instructional coach. So I worked in middle schools and high schools. I worked in traditional brick and mortar schools. And I also spent a lot of time in online education for K - 12. My firsthand experience in the classroom allows me to say The struggle is real for teachers teaching is a really hard job, a very hard job. As an instructional coach, I visited hundreds of classrooms and saw similar experiences with teachers and students. And then through the work of my work as a coach at Beyond BookSmart I realized that there was actually different in a better way for students and teachers. So the work that I was doing with my clients, I started using those tools and strategies with my own students when I was teaching and then when I was a instructional coach, using it with teachers, so I realized this success before even heading up BrainTracks.Hannah Choi 04:39Cool. That's great. Yeah. And how about you, Allison?Allison Larthey 04:42So I'm Allison Larthey. And I have been working for Beyond BookSmart since 2019, and I'm an executive function coach, and I'm also a school training specialist. And my background is elementary education. I had one of those New Jersey unicorn degrees where I could I teach anything in the classroom from preschool up through eighth grade. And I also am a certified school counselor. So I really love bringing all that information together. And that's one of the things that I love about what I learned about Beyond BookSmart was how we kind of marry those two things of, you know, calming the nerves, I work with a lot of clients with anxiety. And so we, you know, we practice with all those skills and how that impacts their education is just so much fun to see the progress, the growth. And, you know, so yeah, I spent a lot of time in elementary education. And I was incorporating these skills before I knew what they were and like, kind of had that name to go along with it. So but I, you know, was able to kind of put that name to it, I'm like, This is so much more impactful. And to really target this is why that worked all those years ago. So it's really fun to see the impact that it has on teachers and our clients. And it's, it's just so much fun to do this work really.Hannah Choi 06:06That's great. I know, I love it. I mean, I don't, I don't work in a classroom, and I don't work with teachers, but I can just relate exactly with what you're talking about, it's seeing the impact of the of your effort is just there's nothing better. Yeah. So the reason I asked you guys to join me today is because someone had commented on the Beyond BookSmart Facebook page about it, wondering about what teachers who have executive function challenges can do to support themselves in the classroom. And, and it just really got me thinking about how, like on the podcast, I always talk about how, you know, like, as adults, we have executive function challenges, whether you have ADHD, or not everyone has an area of executive function that is challenging to them. And so, in a classroom, you're managing, you know, however many different personalities, some of whom have more or less, you know, executive function challenges themselves. Plus, you're managing yourself. And so I thought, who could be some experts that can help me dive into this topic. And so I just knew I had to come to you. So thank you so much. So I want to ask you a lot of our BrainTracks because I love the idea of it. I love the idea of, of teaching as many people as we can about executive function skills. I mean, that's why I'm doing the podcast. But can we first talk about why do executive function skills matter in the classroom?Susan Lohman 07:41Executive function skills are really what allows the students to learn. So it allows them to self regulate, enough to be in the mindset to be able to absorb and manipulate the knowledge of teachers sharing. If they're not able to self regulate, and focus, pay attention, initiate tasks, all these things, they really can't access the knowledge that comes through the teachers instruction. So EF skills allow students really to manage themselves in their lives in school, but also out of school. If they're not able to prioritize tasks, organized belongings and their time to start task to finish tasks, they're not able to perform at their best. And so ultimately, the the E F skills and supporting them is sort of a ticket to them being able to learn and to maximize that potential. It allows them to be more independent leaders of themselves in their job of being a student, but also of themselves outside of school. Students who are receiving executive function skills support through tilt tools and strategies, their parents often see the same changes at home, those routines have habits that they're developing, transfer over out of school to.Hannah Choi 09:07And I imagine that when the kids feel like they have some autonomy and some power over their executive function skills, it gives space to the teachers to be able to teach and be able to access their executive function skills more easily.Allison Larthey 09:30Yeah, I would definitely say that that's true. Because whenever we practice these skills, I mean, I know I feel that way. As a coach, I feel that way when I work with with, you know, in the classroom when I work with teachers, you know, to translate it into the client into their classrooms. Whenever we're practicing these skills, the impact is felt not just by the person on the receiving end, but it's also on on our end. You know, the more I practice with like, you know, Circles of Control. Well, with a client of like letting go of the things outside of our control, then I'm practicing that skill at the same time with them. So, the same is true for those executive function skills, you know, if we really want our students to be organized and where their paperwork is, as we're bringing awareness to that, and as we're practicing that skill, like, then we as the teacher are also going to benefit from that, because we're paying attention to it. And we're putting into practice, at the same time that we're working on it with the kids. So I really I love that, that the teacher asked that of, you know, how do I help myself in that as well, because I really do think that it's great to recognize those strengths and weaknesses that we have, as human beings, that you know, we all have those strengths, we all have those weaknesses, just like you said. So when we're practicing those skills, and we're just aware of, you know, what this is, this is a challenge for me. So maybe I can bring this into the classroom and practice it with my students. And then we're all benefiting from it. And we're removing that stigma of everybody has to be perfect all the time, which I think we carry sometimes as teachers. And, you know, that's a hard thing to let go.Susan Lohman 11:10When you think about it logically, also, students during the week, they're at a school or in a classroom, more hours, and they're actually home. So if these, these routines, and these habits are occurring at school, they will more easily be able to transfer at home, because they're happening for a greater amount of time. Hannah Choi 11:35Something that you said, Allison made me think about how like, when I coach and I'm working with a client, sometimes if I share my own struggle and say, like, oh, I, you know, I can totally relate to that, or like, this is what I'm doing, to try to, you know, level the playing field in whatever area I'm struggling with. The look of, of surprise, and also relief on my clients faces like, Oh, all right, like, she's my coach, and she feels that way. So I imagine for it's the same thing for kids in the classroom,Allison Larthey 12:10And we're modeling that it's okay to keep learning and growing, and that even as adults, these things may still be challenging. So what do we do about that? And that's, you know, I think that that's really powerful. And that removes the stigma to for some of our students who are struggling with those areas, if we're patient with ourselves. And you know, it's like that, you know, the expression of you can't pour from an empty cup. So if I'm just pouring, pouring, pouring, and I'm never filling mine back up, then then what am I actually pouring out. So when our students are, like, when I when I have patience with myself, I'm gonna have a lot more patience, to, you know, help support my students. But if I'm feeling frustrated, then that may come across, too. That's one of the things we talked about in one of our workshops is those mirror neurons of like, when our students are reflecting back, what we're, what we're putting out there, and then we're reflecting back what they're putting out there. So how do we, you know, kind of balance all of that, but that like patience and grace with ourselves, as the teacher, I think is so important for our students as well.Hannah Choi 13:20Yeah, so how, how, in addition to that, How can teachers incorporate executive function tools and skills into the classroom, so that they are able to reach kids and focus more on instruction and, and help kids have autonomy and, and ownership of their own work that they're doing?Allison Larthey 13:42Yeah, that's where we, when we're working with teachers and schools, we always want to emphasize that we're not trying to add any new, you know, new stuff. There was, there's this one analogy that I heard from a professional development workshop, about a million years ago was probably like, I don't know, 15-20 years ago, maybe, that somebody explained a "constipated curriculum", where we just like shove stuff, and we never take anything out. And, like, do that we are here to take the practices that teachers are already doing the things that they want to focus their attention on, whatever that may be, however big or small, you know, whether it's I just want my students to put their names on their papers, or it's I work you know, we've got this massive final exam and we need our students to be prepared, no matter how big or small the task is. We're just going to take what they're already doing, and helping them to examine it in that executive function light and then adjust the practice to then make it the you know, who's benefiting from this practice. If I take the homework papers home to grade every single night, who benefit hits from that, do my students benefit? Do I benefit? And if that's not the case, then what can I do differently to really help them grow their skills. And so that's, you know, that's really what we like to do is talk about the tool, talk about the strategy, and then allow teachers to break it into their own practice and say, you know, oh, I could see myself doing this here. And, you know, so we're not looking for the, you know, piling on massive things we're looking for, you know, make it efficient,Susan Lohman 15:33Hannah, sometimes too, that just bringing the awareness to a student's behavior, or their lack of behavior to a specific executive function skill, a light bulb goes off. Oh, that's why she does her homework or forgets to turn it in half the time, I could never understand why someone would do all that work, and then not turn it in connecting the dots between behaviors, executive function skills, and then something that we as educators can do just a little bit differently, tweak and twist it a little bit differently, present something slightly different can have a huge impact.Hannah Choi 16:15Yeah, because if you don't, if you haven't had the opportunity to learn, you know, an understanding to learn the connection between executive function, executive dysfunction, and the related behaviors, then how would you know?Susan Lohman 16:32Right? Right, exactly.Allison Larthey 16:35And the benefits, yeah, the benefits of, you know, working on those skills, you free up so much time in your day, when you're not managing those little things. Like, whenever you have that good classroom management, and those, you know, those student independent routines, even from as early as kindergarten, I mean, back in the days when I would substitute teach, you knew the teachers that had that really strong routine. And it just made everything flow so much easier, when you would walk into those classrooms. So then as the teacher, it's easier to have a sick day, to have that day off. And you have that, you know, that benefit is so widespread of you know, it's not just about you know, are they prepared for that test, because, of course, we want them to be prepared for the test. That's why we're there. But we also really want them to leave with those those life skills of, you know, will they pick up a book when they have a free free moment. And, you know, so that classroom management, the student independence, and then the way it, it does free up more time in the classroom, you know, when we aren't having to hear all the arguments over kickball after lunch, and you know, then we have time to dive into math a lot faster. So, you know, we open up that space for the things that the students want to do, that the teacher wants to do. And it just flows so much, so much nicer when you have that, you know, when everybody's feeling good about those practices, and feels like they have that independence.Hannah Choi 18:11Right, and then it takes you takes us back to what we were talking about before, you're able to take better care of yourself, when you have that space to breathe and to not be rushing from one to the next and and trying to shove some behavior management in there and or classroom management in there. And yes, I taught preschool I know it's not the same as as as like K through 12. But I remember that I would really have benefited from a lot of that from just understanding more about, like, I understood the child development, but not the executive function part. Like I never remember learning about that. And how important that really is, Susan Lohman 18:55Hannah, that's that's a really good point of preschool. I was a high school English teacher, but I did sub for a year in a preschool room, which sounds very silly. I really was only qualified because I had my own kids. But looking at that I was at that time, I was a coach with Beyond BookSmart and I remember thinking, I'm seeing the emergence of executive function skills. In these little ones, the four year olds and really supporting them that early makes a difference when they're in first grade or third grade or seventh grade. They're starting small and in starting when they are wanting that autonomy over themselves and turning those routines into habits and have great effects you know, throughout their their school career.Hannah Choi 19:50We're going to be doing an episode on executive functions skill development in younger kids in the next few week so that the Yeah, yeah, I was super excited about that. Yep. So it is really important. And, and I think that you're right. When we start early, when those skills are emerging, it really does make a difference in the long run. Yeah. So, so back to classrooms, what are your go to tools that you would share with any teacher, because you know, it'll impact them positively?Susan Lohman 20:29Yeah, I think I'll start, Hannah, with one that I use myself, I've used it with all of my clients, with my own kids. And that is the the five minute goals and doesn't necessarily have to be five minute. But the thought is to use a timer to make something more manageable, to allow somebody to start on a task, or to complete part of a task to recognize that, Wow, I did all that in just five minutes. It can be used in a variety of ways. If somebody is struggling to get started on a paper, which is so common, setting the timer for five minutes and saying, just even brainstorm, start in the middle of the paper, start with the thing you know, best and just write for five minutes. It can be used that way it can be used, if somebody is not wanting to do something. And they know they have to do it, saying, Okay, we're only going to do it for five minutes and see what we get done with. And then we're going to leave it and come back to it in an hour or whatever. It sets boundaries around something that seems impossible, or something you don't want to do. It's also a way to have students who have struggles with paying attention and focusing five minutes seems so small, that it's not intimidating to them. Oh, I can do that for five minutes. It's just five minutes. Yeah, so that's one that I that I always use always even with myself. I use it.Hannah Choi 22:15Me too. I love that tool. It saved me so many times.Allison Larthey 22:19Oh, absolutely. That's a three way, three way agreement on that one. It's like a favorite go to because you can use it in so many different ways. And I would say one of my favorites, too is probably the the DKDK, The do know, don't know. And this one is so great, because it can again be adaptable to all levels, all, you know, practices, whatever skill it is you're trying to reinforce. And basically you just sorta what do I know? What do I sort of know? And what do I really really not know, like I forgot it even existed kind of don't know. And I love that because you can use it for so many things you can have, you know, your high school students can keep track of that they can use their notes and sort them in a chart to say, Oh, I totally know this. So I really don't have to spend a lot of time reviewing it. I sort of know this, I might get it right on the test, I might not get it right on the test. So I need a little bit more practice. And then the I don't even know what this means I definitely need to talk to my friends or ask my teacher or go to a tutor, or you know, read up on this watch a YouTube video, I need more time. And then you break apart your study methods into more efficient practices of I can spend time on this little bit of time here. And then just a real quick review over here. And I love how you can use that even at the youngest grades of you know, in a preschool room of does everybody know where the scissors go? After we take out the scissors? Do we know where they belong? And we can introduce it and say like, look, we're gonna talk about where the scissors go. So we don't know this yet, then we explain it. And we're now we sort of know it. But can we put it into practice. And then as your students start to build that routine, then they say like, and then you're like, wow, everybody knows where the scissors go, we're all the way over here, we can move on to a new goal now. And just the way that you can break that apart to be, you know, so complex, but also so simple. Is is just I love, you know, that kind of a tool. And then I have a great story with a fourth grader who I was coaching, one on one coaching. And I found out after months of us working together that he would go into school the next day and tell his teacher, the practices that we would talk about during our sessions. And DK DK was one of their favorites, his and his teachers. And I just had to jump in. I was like I didn't even know you were talking about this, but you could tell that it mattered to him and then he was like, Oh, my teacher uses this all the time now. And so it'sHannah Choi 25:01just great. He was your first he was your first brain tracks, andAllison Larthey 25:05he didn't even know.Hannah Choi 25:08Yes, spreading theAllison Larthey 25:09word of like he really did just like, take it into the classroom, which was so fun, because he got to be the owner of that of like, look at this, like, Yeah, we're gonna do this. Yeah,Hannah Choi 25:18that's so great. I love that.Susan Lohman 25:22I think it's also worth mentioning that any of these tools collectively using them as a class makes them more powerful. Even the even the teachers using them in the moment, it makes it a community effort, rather than something that I'm giving you, the students to do. I had a when I was a instructional coach, I had a teacher that wrote all the papers alongside with the students. So this was a middle school class. And she wanted to show them that she modeled for them, but she also showed them the writing process. By joining them showing her paper, she joined in just like another student. And I think there's some really great value in that with all of these tools, using them collectively together.Hannah Choi 26:10And it also, it also make sure that anyone who likes, okay, so there's going to be some students in the classroom that really, really benefit from it, and really, really need it. And then other kids who could probably get by without it, but when you teach it to everybody, and it's just this is just what we do, then everyone gets to benefit it benefit from it in a way that doesn't feel like isolating for one person or like, Oh, you're different. You're you have ADHD. So you need this. This is something that, yeah, this is something that everybody can benefit from. Well, and thatSusan Lohman 26:51yeah, I love that to Hannah, and even on it on a nother level is teachers in other classrooms or other content areas using the tools as well, students are able to use the tool in one classroom, and maybe go to another and use the same tool and a slightly different way. You know, it brings and it just circle.Hannah Choi 27:13Yeah, and I imagine it just becomes part of the vernacular, we just talk about this, this is just what we do. We all do DK decays, or we all use five minute goals. And when it's consistent, like I mean, we know that in coaching, right? When it's when you're consistent, that's when the magic happens. So the consistency across classrooms, I'm sure it would make a really huge difference.Susan Lohman 27:35Well, and Hannah to even outside of the school, in our brain tracks program, we work with families too, because we do want that language, you want those tools, we want that entire ecosystem that supports the child's learning to be consistently using the language, the tools, the approaches. And so we do work with families and families are the trainings with the families are very well attended, because they they want the knowledge, right, they want to be able to support their child in school, but also out of school.Hannah Choi 28:10And I bet some of the parents find themselves thinking, Oh, this is actually something that would be helpful for me as well, then if they use it, they can then model for their kid at home so severely, kids are getting the reinforcement dma's I love that.Susan Lohman 28:24It's smart goals is one of the tools that we use a lot with families, we encourage them to write them with their children. So everyone's working towards the same goal. It could be something as simple as you know, reading 30 minutes a day that everyone's doing it or it could be around. household things like sorting, doing the laundry, putting it away, but it's goals that the family is collectively working on. So it doesn't again, feel like we're pointing at the student you need this. It's like no, we all need this. So the house, the house works systematically, just like the classroom work systematically.Hannah Choi 29:06Yeah, and then if everybody feels supported, then they're more likely to use the tool because they feel like, Oh, I'm not the only one that's doing this, right.Allison Larthey 29:17And we hear that all the time, from the parent workshops from you know, even when teachers are in the workshops, it's like, Oh, I could use this with my own kids. And you know, and then parents are like, I could use this myself. And you know, that's, that's a fun thing is that they really are universal strategies and tools that we're practicing.Hannah Choi 29:37Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, I just as a coach, I have learned so many strategies that I've taught my clients and then that way to us, this is absolutely something that I would benefit from. So yeah, it is such a great way to to learn about ourselves and how we can support ourselves to then be better parents, better teachers, better coaches. So, yeah, I love that. So all this talk about, you know about making this universal support, it makes me think about, I mean, that's kind of why you guys got into brain tracks, right? Like, why, why that the idea of brain tracks came out? Can you explain a little bit about that?Susan Lohman 30:19Sure. So I'm going to just step back to my instructional coaching days, and when I was seeing very similar struggles in a variety of classrooms, a variety of ages, or classrooms, working with my one on one clients, in my mind, I was thinking, Wow, a school program would be so helpful. And I was thinking like, how, how could this work in schools, public, private, online schools, not knowing Michael was thinking the same thing. So, you know, coming together, you know, was the evolution of BrainTracks, but the idea was to take the similar support that our one to one coaching clients receive, and make those accessible and affordable for all students, and all schools and all states, across the US. So allowing, or providing, I should say, providing those strategies, the tools, the insight, the knowledge, the language, all of that to students, through teachers, you know, allows us to make a much greater impact than we already are through our coaching program.Hannah Choi 31:39That's great. I mean, that's a big reason why I wanted to do this podcast was to, you know, be able to teach as many people as I can about executive function skills, and, and that and getting access to, to that does not have to be something that only, you know, some people get to do, and it's ever everyone in the world would benefit from learning about it. And so...Susan Lohman 32:06Absolutely, and when you when you live it, and you love it, and you know that it is so impactful, you do want to share it with everyone, it's like you hold this secret sauce that you do want to share.Hannah Choi 32:20Yeah, I'm going to be doing a presentation at our elementary school about executive function skills. And, and one of the parents, you know, was asking me about it, and when I told her, Well, I just really love it. And I and I want everyone to know what this word executive function means and see how they can benefit from learning. And, and, and she was just so excited, and it felt so good to, to see that the impact, it is so important for people to learn about it. Susan Lohman 32:54When we begin working with teachers, part of our first training around the developing brain, you know, basic overview of how EF skills develop. Part of it is a it's a, it's a self assessment, they can take, it's private, they have the knowledge, but it allows them to recognize what the executive function skills are and what they look like, in life. And they will be able to see where they're really strong and where they might struggle. That way they can look in their classroom, they can look at their students and make a connection through themselvesHannah Choi 33:35Yeah, when you are able to learn about it yourself. And then you can bring that knowledge and understanding to your children or your classroom or whatever. So when you work with teachers, how do you? Like? How, how do you? How do teachers see their own executive function skills? Are they confident in areas that they are talking about it? Are they is it something that they're kind of expected to have these perfect executive function skills? Because they're teachers?Susan Lohman 34:11I don't I honestly and Alison, you can feel free to chime in. I honestly don't think so. Because part of our work is to normalize it. So in the education of executive function skills, normalizing that everyone has strengths that they're naturally, really good at, it feels good to be strong in those skills and the ones they struggle at. Or maybe they struggle with certain skills in certain parts of their life. But normalizing that, and you know, also being really transparent that we use these tools right now do we use those with our, our teachers and our clients and our own kids, we use them too. And we use them because they know they really work and they really do help youAllison Larthey 35:01Yeah, and I would say, I think, you know, I think teachers do carry that burden of having to be the perfect at everything situation of, you know, like, I shouldn't have any weaknesses because I have to be everything for everybody. But right, that's one of the hardest things is, whenever I was trying to do things for my students, when I was regulating for them taking notes for them, making, you know, learning for them, it was harder for me as the teacher, because my students weren't benefiting from it, and I was carrying a lot more weight than is, you know, necessary or useful to anybody. So when I did things with my students, alongside them, modeling it, over, you know, supporting them, it was just more authentic, and it was beneficial for, for them. And for me, that I didn't have to carry the weight of being everything for everybody. I could just be me. And then all of the, you know, all the strengths and weaknesses that come with that. And I think that that's important for teachers to know of that, you know, we don't have to do everything for our students, we don't have to make the study guides for them. We don't have to write the notes for them. And we're doing our students disservice when we do that. We want to bring our students in and have them take ownership of the practice of why would I write this word and not this word? Why did that? Why will that help me remember it later? And what do I really have to study? And how do I break down the material that I've learned, and we can do that even from the youngest age with a spelling list of you know, these are my sight words that I have to I have to know how to spell these. So am I aware of that I know how to spell it or that I don't know how to spell it. And if I'm carrying that weight is the teacher, then my students don't take any ownership over that process. So it's good for us to recognize as teachers that we don't have to carry everything on our shoulders all of the time, we can, we can do it with our students and, and that's a huge benefit to them. And to us at the same time, . Susan Lohman 37:26I worked with a teacher and she had the most beautiful relationship with her students. She was teaching sixth grade, and it was her first year in the school. And she was she was doing exactly what Alison just suggested. She said to them, as you know, I'm brand new and your school, you already experts on your school, I'm the expert on ELA, she was an ELA teacher. And so I want us to have a partnership, I'm going to ask you for help, because I don't know everything about your school, you all know what you've been here for years. And you can then ask me for help on writing papers in your reading. And, and it was so beautiful, because she let that go, she let that I have to do everything, I have to carry the burden. And she really had built a very trusting, respectful loving relationship with their students, so that they could work together and support each other, it was just so fabulous. Hannah Choi 38:33I love that. It's so funny because I was I have a terrible memory. So I had to write a little note down. And what I wrote down was asking for help. And that's what I wanted to say is, is the gift that we can give our students and our clients and ourselves is learning how to ask for help. And learning about executive function skills, we don't have to do it all on our own. So like, you know, something like BrainTracks is a way to support ourselves, our executive function skills and our kids without having to like do all the research ourselves without having to also take that on, like, Okay, I want to learn about executive function skills so that I can really support my kids and make my classroom this really, you know, comfortable place to teach and learn. But you don't also have to do that you can reach out to the experts. And, and I think we think of that. So, so speaking of like, what's been the reaction of the teachers in the schools that you've worked with on once they're open to the idea of bringing the BrainTracks teamAllison Larthey 39:43It's been really fun. It's great to be in the workshops and hearing immediately. This is how I'm going to use this. And during one of our parent workshops, a parent said, you know, right away like, Oh, this is what my son was talking about. because we had already done this school workshop with the students, and she was like, that's why he's breathing like this all of a sudden at home, he's like, taking these breaths and, and calming himself down. And she's like, that's what he's been doing. So it's really fun to see that transfer, you know, immediately there's that like excitement about, you know, oh, I know how I'm gonna use this tomorrow.Susan Lohman 40:24That's really cool. Yeah, and I was gonna say, too, I think that wouldn't begin begin working with schools, they recognize the skills are for immediate use, but they're also long term, what we're sharing in the knowledge that we're teaching and training extends way beyond a student's person's life as a student. And I, we worked with the school with their teachers several times, and now I'm working one on one with their instructional coach, and she was, is so excited because the teachers are using the language, they're using the tools, students are becoming more independent. And, you know, classroom struggles are slowly dissipating. And they are just thrilled that you know, us presenting this content in a manageable way in a realistic illogical way that teachers can use it without a heavy lift of changing, really what they're doing, just adjusting it slightly has such great rewards. It just feels really good from being a teacher and being in classrooms, it feels so feels so great for us to see them making such great strides.Hannah Choi 41:44That's wonderful. And I just had that conversation with a client of mine who's in college and, and she struggles with keeping her her room clean. And so we're going to spend some time working on figuring out a system for that. And I said, you know, what is so cool about this, like, we're practicing this skill on your, your room in your college apartment. But I just like when you're at you're like, Nope, I have to, you know, follow this system that I developed, you know, like, 60 years ago with that coach called Hannah. And, and it is it's, it's it's a gift for life. Yeah, absolutely.Susan Lohman 42:22For sure. For sure. And the great, the greatest thing is when you see someone we've worked with sharing that gift with someone else, or teaching someone else, the tools, it's such a great feeling.Hannah Choi 42:35Yep. Yeah. And that goes back to, you know, like what we were talking before about how, how can we help as many people as possible, and that is one way we can is by teaching people and hopefully they'll see the deep, deep and generalizable benefits of doing of doing that of doing that work? And then and then teaching it to someone else? Yeah, great. Anything else you guys would like to add? Anything you're excited about?Allison Larthey 43:10I'm excited about our open office hours for the teachers that we work with. And that's where they can follow up with us and ask those questions of like, you know, we did the workshop, they've tried some things out. And then they get to dive in a little bit deeper and say, This is what's working. This is not working. How do I you know, it's just this and that I'm really, really excited about?Hannah Choi 43:34Yeah, and are they when they access those office hours? Are they accessing them with teachers from other schools as well? Or just their school?Susan Lohman 43:43Hannah, that's a great question. We haven't set up both ways. If a school prefers to be just have their own time set aside, otherwise, their general that any teacher can can pop in and out, or they can pop in and listen and maybe get some information that they hadn't even hadn't even considered. So something that's really cool. Yeah, something I'm really excited about is our online training modules are up and running and ready to go. They are we're really created to accommodate schools, very tight schedules. So the trainings that we present live on Zoom are also can be taken by teachers on an LMS on a platform, which is so exciting. I'm very excited about that.Hannah Choi 44:37So they can do it at their own pace. Susan Lohman 44:39They can do it at their own pace, they can use it go back and review they can use it for if they want to take part of the trainings via zoom with us and they want to take the other part. So it really allows flexibility. The I would say the one of the challenges with working with schools. It's It's not the funding, it's not the the actual executive function training. It actually is working it into the calendar, the school calendars if they're tight. And that time is allocated about a year out. So the online modules give some flexibility with that.Hannah Choi 45:20And then are teachers able to earn continuing education credits from that as well?Susan Lohman 45:26Yep, absolutely. So that's another huge win. Yes.Hannah Choi 45:30That's great. I love it. And I love that name brain tracks, such a great name, your idea of like laying down these, like, the neural network and the train going through your brain. I love it. That's how it works. Very cool. Well, I was very lucky. I got to I got to talk with Michael Delman are the CEO and founder of beyond booksmart. back last year, and he told me a little bit about about it, and at the time, it hadn't been named. And so it's, it's pretty cool to see it, to see Yeah, really come to fruition. And to really see that you for you guys to really start to see the benefit of of all the work. Yeah, for sure. Congratulations.Susan Lohman 46:14Thank you, Hannah. Thank you so much.Hannah Choi 46:16Yeah. It's so fun to talk about this. Yeah, I'm so glad you guys were able to join me. It's, it's, it's a it's wonderful to hear that more people are getting access to the stuff that we know, is life changing? And could you share with our listeners where they can find out more?Susan Lohman 46:36Absolutely. So they can go to braintracks.com and log into our website, all kinds of great information there. There's also information that they can download and take to their school leaders if they want to share our information. If they have specific questions, they can reserve a time on our calendar directly from the website, or they can email us at info at brain tracks.com.Hannah Choi 47:05I love how accessible the website is it's so easy to read. And it's really easy on the great website. And it's packed full of information. And I also love how, how open and available you are for anyone to find out more information. All right. Well, thanks again for joining me. It was really great to talk to you guys.Susan Lohman 47:29Thanks. 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SPEAKERSSuzanne Noble, Peter MarriottSuzanne Noble 00:09Welcome to Sex Advice for Seniors. So I'm Suzanne, and I'm 61.Peter Marriott 00:18I'm Peter, and I'm 61 for another three weeks. About four weeks. So 62 very soon.Suzanne Noble 00:34And we are here to talk about sex. When you're older.Peter Marriott 00:49Yeah. Well, apparently.Suzanne Noble 00:50So let's talk about sex. We've got this list that we created a very extensive list, because of course, we are both very, very seriously interested in this topic.Peter Marriott 00:58And unqualified, completely...Suzanne Noble 01:01unqualified, except that both of us have had quite a bit of experience. Some more than others. Possibly me. And you are just trying to catch up.Peter Marriott 01:13Yep.Suzanne Noble 01:14And you've got a long way to go. But that's okay. Because you still got time,Peter Marriott 01:20It's quality rather than quantity. Well, that's what we'd like to think.Suzanne Noble 01:25Sometimes it is quantity. Quantity can be quality.Peter Marriott 01:31Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's hope so. Suzanne Noble 01:36Well, for your sake.So we've got these topics for discussion. And I thought, let's just start with the first one, shall we?Peter Marriott 01:41Feelings of inadequacy and how to overcome them.Suzanne Noble 01:45God sounds serious, doesn't it? Feelings of inadequacy and how to overcome them? Yeah. And why did we come up with that topic?Peter Marriott 01:53Do you know I can't remember? I think probably because we've been talking about how people feel inadequate about their sexual experience and feel as though there's a lot still to be gained in terms of experience, and how do they get that? And if they don't have it, you know, are they adequate lovers? And so you feel bad about yourself and blah, blah, blah? And all those sorts of questions. I think that's where that came from.Suzanne Noble 02:25I think it originally came from because we were talking about the fact that sometimes when people talk about older people and sex, just generally, they tend to focus on the negatives, don't they? Yeah, they tend to focus on the fact that men can't get it up anymore. And they tend to focus on the fact that women have dry vaginas, and so it tends to be quite derogatory, actually, which can lead to feelings of inadequacy. And I certainly know that there are conversations that we've had in the Advantages of Age group about really is it even important anymore. Is sex even important anymore? And I personally think it's okay if you don't want it. But equally, if you do want it, and you're getting messages chucked at you from the media predominantly that make you feel that you shouldn't want it anymore.Peter Marriott 03:22Or that somehow it's yucky and inappropriate for people of a certain age to be having sex at all. Certainly, young people think that I mean, I know it's become a bit of a joke, but when young people think about their parents or their grandparents, I'm sure that doesn't even enter into their heads, that they might still be sexual beings, fully autonomous sexual beings who get up to stuff. The messages coming from everywhere outside are fairly negative about sex.Suzanne Noble 03:59And I know that I've had partners in the past that have felt uncomfortable about their erections. And when I've suggested that there might be some pharmaceutical products that are available to help, they've been quite dismissive about that, and some people haven't. And frankly, I think, personally, that if you struggle with things, and there's some help available, whether it's lubricants if you're a woman or Viagra, whatever, if you're a guy, then it's okay. Yeah, okay to say, I need a little bit of help.Peter Marriott 04:41I think people are generally very bad at recognising they need help and then asking for it.Suzanne Noble 04:48I've had conversations with women about lubrication, which has suggested that if you don't get wet enough that there's something wrong with you. Whereas it's just a physiological thing that sometimes happens when you're an older woman.Peter Marriott 04:49Well, that's the problem, isn't it? We attach all sorts of moral categories to what are just physical things, you know. And that's really, I think the weakness of a lot of the attitudes towards sex and older people is because as you get older, the moral questions, they kind of take over. And they become attached to all sorts of ethical questions and aesthetic questions about the aesthetic appropriateness of your body as a 62-year-old compared to when you were 22. So yeah, general inadequacy, not being up to the job, and then not being appropriate for the job.Suzanne Noble 05:49That's very philosophical, I must say.Peter Marriott 05:53I'm here all week.Suzanne Noble 05:56I think that's absolutely true. And I think people's challenges with their changing bodies contribute to their feelings of inadequacy. And I know that I have come to understand that male sexuality and female sexuality are quite different. And male sexuality often can be quite driven by the visual. And so it's, whereas women's sexuality is much more in my experience anyway, driven by what goes on in my brain, and may not always be attached to the visual, although I think that we all have to acknowledge that our bodies are ageing, and with ageing comes things, you know, wrinkles, droopiness, and all sorts of other stuff that kind of naturally occurs.And I am quite aware of the fact that as an ageing woman, keeping my body in shape is closely aligned to feeling sexy. And the more I feel better about the way I look, the more I feel that I'm more attractive to, in my case, because I'm mainly heterosexual, men, who do often value, that sort of thing. So I think also, that can be really, really difficult because women do naturally age, and well, we all do. But when you know that the opposite sex is strongly driven by the visual, it can be quite difficult as an older woman to feel that you're still attractive to them in that heteronormative kind of way. Which is the only thing that I can really talk about.Peter Marriott 07:38I think that's right. Whereas men, it doesn't matter how old they are, they still think they are devastatingly attractive to young girls, you know, I mean, there are so many examples of it. I mean, from Harvey Weinstein, who we were talking about earlier. I'm sure he seriously thought that you know, the young women would be attracted to him. And because power is associated so often with men of a certain status and age and, and wealth. And traditionally, it would have gone alongside that, you know, the older men who have younger women, because just that's just the way it is. Whereas men are obviously concerned very, very deeply about their own physical inadequacies as well. But you know, from weight and beer bellies, and I mean, the biggest adverts on the internet are for penis size, basically, yeah, you know, getting penis enlargements and extensions and creams and god knows what else to make your, you know, make your penis bigger. We have our inadequacies, as well, but they're very compartmentalised. It's about how big your dick is or how big your stomach is. And we don't think of ourselves as therefore not… I don't know, maybe we do - Not being attractive overall as a package because people with small dicks and big tummies still think of themselves as devastatingly attractive.Suzanne Noble 09:16I think the menopause and just the changes that women naturally go through in their life contribute so much in terms of how they see themselves and often when they get to the menopause, and sometimes, and certainly, in my case, my libido was nowhere near what it was earlier in my life. You can feel a sense of grief about losing something that you know, you're never gonna get back, you know? And men, whereas men, okay, you can look down at your belly, and you can do something about it. Yeah, you know, you can actually just go and just exercise and change that but for women and hormonal changes that go on in our body are forever. And so there is a process that I think we go through. And we make choices about how important sex is in a relationship in relation to lots of other things in our lives. And some people choose that is actually not that important anymore. Or I spoke to somebody today, it was like, just oh, I just don't know if I'm up for it in the same way that I was before. And I get that I completely get that. And I think that there's a lack of awareness about the fact that actually, yeah, it does change.But if you want to keep doing it, because you enjoyed it, and it was important in your life, it can just change with you. But it doesn't have to stop completely. And I think with the message that we get, and you harked back when you were talking about kids talking about their parents and thinking about the yuckiness and all of that, is that people kind of assume that it just ends. You know, like, oh, they shouldn't be doing that anymore. And if they are doing it, it's kind of, oh, it's bit gross, really, I don't even want to think about it. It's kind of quite disgusting. To think about it. But actually, it's just different. And that's how I think about it now is, it's not that same craziness that was in my 40s. But it's still there, it's just a little different. And I also suspect that men have similar challenges around the lack of testosterone and things, which don't, in my view, get nearly enough airtime. Because there's no place for men to talk about that s**t, though.Peter Marriott 11:44That's true, and probably the result of that is, that we don't really know anything about that. I have no idea about testosterone, and you know how mine is, I think I'm okay. And, you know, I check my finger lengths now and again, to make sure that I've still, you know, my third finger is the ring finger is still longer than my index finger. In fact, it's getting longer. And that sort of thing. And, I think, to get philosophical, again, the problem is change. In general, I mean, not just sexual change, or bodily changes, just that nothing stays the same, you know, as Heraclites said, Panta Rhei, that everything changes all the time. It's probably pronounced Heraclitus but it's pronounced in different ways. That everything changes, or changes all the time. And as we get older, we kind of expect it to just stay the same and it doesn't, it just doesn't, nothing does. And therefore you have to adapt to that. And you have to find a new way of being. And that's probably where, you know, probably one of the major problems in the relationship is that people change at different rates. And that's to do with childbirth. It's to do with childbirth and childbirth and has to do with just the different rates at which men and women change. And, and of course, you have, you know, women have menopause. Men don't so we don't get it. Don't really know anything about it.Suzanne Noble 13:34They just hope it's over quick.Peter Marriott 13:37Yeah, it's ignorance and fear of change both within a relationship and within oneself as well about, you know, how things are changing and what's different, I don't feel as though much has changed for me. I still feel the same now as I did when I was, you know, 19 or 20, or whenever, but, but obviously… I was somewhere yesterday, and I saw my caught sight of myself in a big shop window and I really did think for a second, who's that standing there? And it was me as a 62-year-old man - in four weeks' time. And that that disparity between how you feel in your head, and how you look to the rest of the world, is it's a big thing to overcome in terms of sexuality as well because I think of myself as a very vigorous young 20-year-old man, you know, always up for it and all the rest of it, but I know I'm not, you know,Suzanne Noble 14:41Now, come once and then you have to wait about 48 hours really.Peter Marriott 14:48I'm not an athlete.Suzanne Noble 14:52Anyway, we talked about feelings of inadequacy, but we haven't talked too much about how to overcome them. Because I think that's the thing is, you can feel quite overwhelmed by all the messaging and the changes as we've spoken about that are going on in your body and everything that's happening. There are not really a great many places where you can actually discuss any of this stuff. I think for men, even fewer places, and there are probably for women who might be able to share some of the challenges that they're having with their girlfriends and be able to get, you know, feedback around that, and men kind of suffer in silence, I always think generally, about this kind of stuff.Peter Marriott 15:37Yeah, we just read what women have to say about sex, and then get off on it.Suzanne Noble 15:44But I think, you know, one of the things is that is around overcoming some of the shame that's attached to sex, which as we know, especially at our age can go back generations, it can go back to childhood, so much of sex for me is around how your parents dealt with it or didn't deal with it, and how that impacted upon how you feel about it in later life. So, so some of that is about recognising where your idea of sex came from, and how you generally see it, whether it's something that's attached to shame, or whether it's something that's really positive and joyful, and something that is a healthy part of every adult life.Peter Marriott 16:33I think that's really important.Suzanne Noble 16:34But I also think what's really important is to recognise that there in the same way that there's Viagra for men, and all that, is that we now live in a world in which there are really easy ways to overcome some of the basic physical problems that we have. Right. So you know, lubricants, whether you decide you're just going to use olive oil, almond oil, you're gonna go to the shop and buy water, based lubricants, whatever you happen to need. There's no shame in using lube. I don't think that any man, any man that I've ever met in my life if I just like spread some lube into my hand and do something with it gets turned off by that. I've never had a single occasion where anyone ever went, Oh, what's that? And I went, Oh, it's a bit of lube. And they went, Oh, gross. You're not wet enough. I'm not gonna have sex with you. I don't think that's ever happened, but I'm sure that lots of women feel some sense of inadequacy, but I've never had a single occasion, or any man…Peter Marriott 17:43You make it sound like you've had sex with lots of people.Suzanne Noble 17:45I don't know why that is. You know, and equally. I personally have never said if somebody said to me, Oh, I'm just going to drop some Viagra now. I've never gone Oh, gross. Don't do that. I've always gone like, oh, playtime. It's gonna be fun.Peter Marriott 18:06Yeah. I agree is a very strange thing. Because my experience is that when women are very divided about it, yeah, some women think that's great, you know, cuz he's gonna have a hard-on for hours and hours. Fantastic. And there are some women who think well, what's wrong with me? Because he needs Viagra to get it up, you know, and to have sex with me and I'm so unattractive that, you know, he needs the chemical stimulant to do it. And, you know, that's quite tricky, I think to deal with. But the same goes, it's the same as the lube question, but the other way round, you know, what's wrong with me as a man if she's not getting wet enough? Yeah, I'm obviously doing something wrong. And or she doesn't fancy me or whatever. And I think that's the first place that people's thoughts go to, rather than to the place of there have been physiological changes which require them to use them or to, you know, to use Viagra or whatever.Suzanne Noble 19:09Yeah. I think that's a really good point. And I can imagine that there are some women, and I know that I've certainly been in this situation myself, with men where the lack of lubricant was a kind of thing. For sure. Right? Yeah, for sure. So I do get that. The bottom line is always and I probably would say that you know, we're going to end this conversation. Always. It's around communication. Always, always, like, it doesn't matter what's going on. It's just about being really clear about, look, it's not that I don't think you're super hot. It's just I need a bit of extra help. And also, the, you know, what a lot of people don't understand about Viagra is that if you don't actually fancy somebody And you take Viagra it doesn't make a difference. And so it's not like this automatic thing that you take it and Ping! and everybody it's happy days, you have to actually want to have sex, you actually have to want it. So there is also, that knowledge that the pill itself is not the solution. There are a bunch of other factors that have to go on. Understanding that, as well as being able to communicate with your partner. What's going on, is really important, because that's going to create the intimacy and relax you and make you feel sexy and just kind of want to do it.Peter Marriott 20:50I think so too. And I think talking about is is is I have a turn on. I'm just thinking now maybe we should sneak offSuzanne Noble 21:05I knew you were thinking that, so obvious now. Anyway, this is our first episode of Sex Advice for Seniors.Peter Marriott 21:18Who dares comes.Suzanne Noble 21:23And if you have any questions, any questions of any nature that you would like to share with us, then you can send them to where should we send them to?Peter Marriott 21:35That's a really good question.Suzanne Noble 21:39You could just send them to Suzanne Noble on Facebook orPeter Marriott 21:45Peter Marriott Thompson on Facebook.Suzanne Noble 21:50We've got a page on Facebook called Sex Advice for Seniorsand you could send them there as well. So there we go. So professional.Peter Marriott 22:02Brilliant. Goodbye.Thanks for reading Sex Advice for Seniors! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support our work. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.sexadviceforseniors.com
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Studio East Salon Spa Check out Studio East here on our business directory. Full Transcription Eric 0:00Now in today's episode, you're going to get to listen in as I got to sit down and have a conversation with Sue coin at Studio East Salon. Sue's amazing she's been in business in this area for a while huge supporter of the community does an awful lot. And it was just so much fun to talk to her and, and hear about her, her business and the things that she enjoys to do all around Ocean View. So with that, let's go ahead and jump into the episode. If you want to find any links to anything that su brings up or anything we talk about, head over to ocean view.biz/014. Again, that's ocean view.biz/014. For the Episode Notes of today's podcast, thanks a lot. Eric 1:27Right now I am sitting inside studio East. Did I get that right Sue? Sue 1:32Yes, yes, sir. Eric 1:33Okay, good. I just want to make sure I got that. We're here on a Monday. It is cleaning day. Sue 1:39Yes. Eric 1:39Yeah. So we might hear some background noise of cleaning. That's okay. And you were telling me as I came in that cleaning day is something that's kind of come up through the whole pandemic, right? Sue 1:50We were open seven days a week and then after the closed down mandatory closed down a salons, when we reopened, I kept Monday's close so that we would have a day that we could do deep cleaning. Eric 2:02Yeah. Nice. All right, cool. Well, hey, this we're not here to talk about, you know, pandemic stuff, things like that. We're talking about DiscoverOV. But so I'm just kind of curious, I have no idea. And so I'm looking forward to hearing. How did you end up in Ocean View here for your business? Sue 2:19Well, I worked downtown again for 18 years, and I had been watching the growth. I live right around the block. I was watching the growth happen in a speech and they had the homearama there the first homearama. And I said to my husband, you know, there's no salons around here. I think that we need a really good salon. And he said, Well, you should do it. And in 2006 we did it. Eric 2:43There you go. Yeah. Now I learned when I came in here, you actually have two sides. But when you started you started with the one right. Sue 2:50We one side I was gonna say a very small neighborhood salon. And within two years of opening, people were climbing all over each other. So we took the storefront right next to us and divided up to the spa side and the hair side. Eric 3:06Alright. Now how many people did you when you started? How many people did Jeff working for you? Sue 3:11There were five of us. Eric 3:12Five of you. Yeah, but and then before pre pandemic, you were up? You told me you were up to... Sue 3:1626 Eric 3:17Yeah, that's amazing and even right now, Sue 3:19Right now we're 19 Eric 3:2119. That's fantastic. That's growth. That's 26, 19. That's, that's pretty that's you're a significant employer in this area. That's really kind of cool. So. So tell me, what's a project right now that you're working on with the salon that you're excited about? Sue 3:38Okay, we are going to get all new furniture in here. And so I'm shopping for new hair stations and chairs, new manicured tables, we have new pedicures spas already. And so we're just trying to make the right decision before we get it all brought in. And if anyone knows anything these days, it takes a long time to get stuff shipped. Eric 3:59It does. Yeah, supplies are, but it's looking great. You told me the floors new? Sue 4:0415 years anniversary was in April. So this is our 15 year gift to our community. Eric 4:10Oh, wow. That's really great. Now we're sitting here also by i think i don't think it's right for us to have a podcast interview and not mention you have your mascot sitting here.
Watch the video version of this show on YouTube »Maddie Kirby is currently the Senior Social Media Manager for the video journal app, 1 Second Everyday. Maddie started her social media marketing career at Ozwest. Ozwest is an exclusive distributor of Zing branded toy products and the Ozwest toy line in the USA and Canada.While working at Ozwest, Maddie started growing her personal social media presence. Maddie has almost 400k followers on TikTok. Since joining 1 Second Everyday in 2019, Maddie has been instrumental in leveraging TikTok to organically drive millions of downloads.Maddie has a bachelor's degree in advertising from the University of Oregon, and has also worked for companies such as Bytedance, Inc., Egg Strategy, Transition Productions, and Atomicus Films.In this episode, you'll learn: How to promote your app with user-created content Clever tricks to get your app noticed Why TikTok is a great place to market your app A great strategy for growing your app's follower count Links & Resources Maddie and David's App Promotion Summit USA panel discussion Cesar Kuriyama's Twitter Cesar Kuriyama's TED Talk David Smith on The Sub Club Podcast Widgetsmith app Maddie Kirby's Links Maddie Kirby's TikTok Maddie Kirby's LinkedIn 1 Second Everyday's website 1 Second Everyday is on Twitter 1 Second Everyday's Instagram Zing Toys website Follow us on Twitter: David Barnard Jacob Eiting RevenueCat Sub Club Episode TranscriptMadison: 00:00:00I like to think of them as content buckets or pillars. You pick three and stick with those for a little bit. Try a few ideas in each bucket. See what's working, what's not. Scrolling through the app is the best way to kind of keep on top of things. And then you have to be able to think really fast and post really fast because these trends come and go. Jacob: 00:00:39Welcome to the Sub Club podcast. Our guest today is Maddie Kirby, Senior Social Media Manager at 1 Second Everyday. She began her career in social media marketing at toy company, Ozwest.While working there she also started growing her personal social media presence, accumulating almost 400,000 followers on TikTok.In 2019, Maddie joined 1 Second Everyday where she has been instrumental in leveraging TikTok to organically drive millions of downloads.Maddie, welcome to the podcast.Madison: 00:01:08Thank you. I'm excited to be here.Jacob: 00:01:10I'm also here with David, my guest, which I forgot to introduce in our freaky Friday intro swap.David: 00:01:16I usually do the introductions, but that was great. Jacob.Jacob: 00:01:19Hey, you know what? I'm very, very, very versed at...David: 00:01:21You gotta mix things up. Jacob: 00:01:23I'll pass back to David because he's the one who preps all the questions. David: 00:01:29Nice. Maddie and I were on a panel together earlier this month, at App Promotion Summit, which is a great thing to watch. We can link it in the show notes.It was four of us on the panel and it went really quick, but she shared a lot of really interesting stuff about what she's working on in social media marketing, and working with 1 Second Everyday on their TikTok presence.So, I wanted to bring her on the podcast to actually give her time to talk a little more about it in the context of promoting apps, because she's been on a couple of other podcasts where they're talking more specifically about social media.I'm super excited to have you, Maddie.I do want to dive in. We typically do have more developer focused guests, you know, people that are doing the coding or focused on user acquisition, spending 50K a month on Facebook. And so that's another reason I was excited to have you on the podcast is to just get a really different perspective.I think that there's a lot of potential in social media marketing. But not a lot of people talking about it in the app space and then...Jacob: 00:02:40Or just knowing how to do it, right?How do you even start, especially if you're a developer-turned-promoter. I think a lot of app creators tend to do the things you were talking about. David does technical channels about buying ads on Facebook or whatever, where's a lot of leverage in social media stuff. If you can do it. David: 00:03:02Yeah, absolutely. So, I did want to start with, you got your start in social media marketing, not with an app, which is another thing. It's like you came to the app marketing with such a different perspective, which I think is is really good. There's too many people who are just so narrowly focused in the kind of existing playbook for marketing apps.So, are there any lessons from your time at of all the places a toy company? Any particular lessons from being at a toy company that you think helped you grow and learn this form of marketing and specifically that apply to subscription apps?Madison: 00:03:41Yeah. I don't know if it's necessarily a lesson or lessons that I've learned. But I think coming from the toy industry, which is also an industry where people don't leave it. They have a lot of people that started in the industry and then just stayed there forever. You have a lot of people that aren't really thinking beyond just what they are normally, what they're used to, I guess, is what I would say. Jacob: 00:04:05Is what they're used to, like ads on Nickelodeon.Madison: 00:04:08Yeah, it's definitely commercials. Like when they were still talking about TV and trying to transition out of that, that's really funny that you brought that up, but that's kind of what we were talking about at the time. So I got really lucky and I had a great manager who really wanted me to push people outside of their boxes.And I feel like I wouldn't have found TikTok unless I was at a toy company, because we were so focused on trying to connect to Gen Z and young people. And I heard some kids talking on our public transportation about TikTok, which was musically then. And I was like, oh, and I just had like my feelers out about it because I was just so focused on kids at the time, and like trying to find this like cool new way that we can connect to them. And I downloaded it and I was a content creator, too. So I thought it was super cool. Getting onto TikTok at that time and super early, I feel like wouldn't have happened without being in the toy industry. Also then I was able to take that into 1 Second Everyday and already had experience, which I feel like a lot of people don't really have TikTok experience coming into a company.David: 00:05:16Yeah, that's really cool. and so then what, what was the leap like? what, what, yeah, how'd you land the gate hit 1 Second Everyday and decide to jump into that the app. Madison: 00:05:24I was using 1 Second Everyday already, before even looking for a job. so i had already, and i had known about the company the company is amazing and they have a lot of great benefits and they care so much about the people. in the company itself and it's small and, remote. so i was already hoping that they would have a job opening.Right. And I, so I didn't necessarily have my sights set on an app. really. it was just, i was interested in 1 Second Everyday, cause i use it. and i also like it because it's content creation and i have a background in that. so i feel like i was able to kind of have this weird experience coming into it. David: 00:06:04Yeah, i do want to pause real quick and maybe talk a little bit about the app. and i should have researched, i should have read up on this before the podcast, but it'd be fun to just ask. 1 Second Everyday has been around like 10 years, right? like this is the, like, i think i bought this as a paid app in, in 2009 or 10 or something.So tell us a little bit about the history of the app itself. and what the app does.Madison: 00:06:30Yeah. so our founder has been recording his life for 10 years now, which is a really long time. and they started on kickstarter actually. and he did a ted talk and that's how a lot of people initially found us was through his TikTok, where he had left the ad. for a year he left his job to go record his life, his 30th birthday.And yeah. it's, it was amazing and people really connected to it. and it's like a very simple idea. and then he did his ted talk about it and then that's how he launched the app. and now it's just kind of built slowly up, through that. really just being able to have him connect with people. caesar's an amazing person and a really great storyteller and people were able to connect to him first.And then that's kind of how he built a team around him to slowly.Jacob: 00:07:22I love the, i mean, i think, you know, when you talk about. user acquisition or, or, you know, ultimately that's, you know, what marketing or whatever is, right? you want to get people into your business, your app or whatever. it always feels so much easier when you start with the story, right? when you start with like the narrative, the story, then you add in the business or the product later, right?Because now you have a foundation. i was, i was on the 1 Second Everyday reading the timeline, right? it's all very clean narrative, right? like this person has this story whenever, and then everybody can join in. humans are very narrative driven. right? so we'd like to be part of something that like that like makes sense, right.That like has an arc to it. so i think it's, i, and i think that downstream that's going to help will help makes apps like once every day be successful is they have this like something that makes sense. and they don't have to just go out and like, oh, you need 50,000 users spend $50,000. right. you actually have a little bit of like organic story there.David: 00:08:21Yeah. and speaking of. no worries. so while you were still at the toy company, you started building your own social media presence. so you had, your own personal TikTok account, but then also built up several others. what was it like again, this, as you said earlier, this was a musically at the time before it even became TikTok before he even blew up.So you're really early to this really cool platform. how did, how did you build these, accounts.Madison: 00:08:49I started off at, on vine and then of course, vinyl. yeah, i know i had started it and then i had a harambe bay vine blow up. and then a week later they announced that the app was shutting down and i was devastated because i was like, here's my shot. i got it. and then, so i was looking for my next place to go cause i was a youtube kid growing up.So i've always wanted to make videos and i, and i love it just naturally. and i had some friends invite me over to this app called flipagram, which is actually kind of funny because that was a. competitor to 1 Second Everyday at the time. and i didn't even know about 1 Second Everyday yet. and so i was a paid content creator over there to be using their app, and then got on to TikTok and started just posting random, funny videos.And at the time things were the algorithm wasn't really developed, then it was more you post and then whoever likes your stuff is really important. so if you have somebody really cool and like, that likes your video, your video is going to blow up. and i just had two popular twin girls had liked my video and i had all these people coming over and said that these girls had liked my video and they saw it on their platform or their account.And then that's how it started. it just started like going up and getting followers. and now, i have, an account where i play guitar. i decided to take up learning electric guitar. and so i built. an audience of 11 k on there in two and a half months. so i'm really like addicted, i guess. Jacob: 00:10:28So, yeah, so, so, and do you, do you, you know, i dunno this is more about like personal, just like brand and like building these, these properties. i mean, i do think it's, it's, it's the skill, like, you know, we're talking about developers building their own social media properties. it's like, okay, you got to have a shtick.Right. i don't know what you'd call it. right. like could learn guitar. so do, do you carry them over from your other properties? you try to like bootstrap them or you're just like, nope, totally greenfield. i'm just going to like, be a guitar person now and like make it a thing. is that, is that more how it goes or.Madison: 00:10:57I mean on my other account, my comedy account, i guess it's always been a really hard thing to kind of stick with one thing that you're into. and some people are really good at that. yeah. definitely not the best when it comes to my own stuff that i, like, i just want to do whatever and kind of see if that works, but that's kind of morphed over time.And then with guitar, i was just like, i'm just going to record myself, playing guitar and see what happens. and it did well.Jacob: 00:11:24Oh, so you don't, you don't, you don't like plan out like, oh, i'm going to do a funny heran bay guitar thing. it'sMadison: 00:11:29No, i just do it. it's a lot of it's like improv and going for it and just seeing. i think that being on the platform for so long, i kind of know what's going to do well, and yeah. and sometimes you'll put, you know, five seconds of effort into something and it does really well. and then other times you put, you know, an hour of work into something and it doesn't do well.Jacob: 00:11:50This is me and my twitter game. So you need to give me some advice because like i can, i still can, 11 years in, i, sir, out 13 years in on twitter, i still can't predict what's going to do well.Madison: 00:11:59Yeah, exactly. David: 00:12:01So you've kind of been talking about your, your personal accounts. but these things that you're saying, i would assume also apply to company accounts. okay. i would assume growing a company account, you just need to have a similar amount of exploration. so how how have you taken those lessons from your own personal accounts and then systematize them to, to grow a company account and then even pushing back on, on not overly systematizing because you have to keep experimenting.Madison: 00:12:37Yeah, that's a really good question. i think how i tackle it now, since i've been on so many accounts, because i grew one, back at the toy company too, for the stop motion animation toy, and that's kind of my first dipping into that. and we grew really fast. like it's like at a half a million now for followers—t but, i think hat's kind of when i was realizing that there's buckets to these things.And like, i like to think of them as like content buckets or like pillars and you like pick three, like i'm going to do behind the scenes videos. i'm going to do, some kind of. app walkthrough maybe for 1 Second Everyday purposes and then fun trends and stick with those for a little bit, try a few ideas in each bucket.See what's working, what's not. and then kind of maybe if the behind the scenes stuff is not working as well, then we won't make as many of that stuff. and then just scrolling through the app is the best way to kind of keep on top of things and make sure that you're experimenting with new stuff, because people are always thinking of really creative ways to make new videos and have these like wild ideas that you don't think could ever relate to 1 Second Everyday but they can, and then you have to like, be able to think really fast and post really fast because these trends come and go. so that's kind of like my system, i guess. Jacob: 00:14:01How do, you avoid the. what did that steve buscemi meme that's like, hello, fellow kids. how did, how do you, because that's always my fear too, is like, especially as i get older, it's like, if i'm trying to be hip on twitter or whatever, like, it feels like there's this uncanny valley that brands can really easily get in to and you see it with like bad social media.Right. is there is, there is a solution just hire people who are actually good at social media or like, or is there like a framework for not becoming the steve buscemi meme?Madison: 00:14:30I think the biggest thing is don't try to make anything that you don't understand already. like don't try to guess. i think i learned that. Jacob: 00:14:39I canceled this, the, the, the sea shanties revenue, cat, collab, because yeah, i still don't understand it.Madison: 00:14:47Yeah, it's i think i learned that on my personal account. specifically just as i age and everything. and you get like these young kids on there that are like, wait you're, you're a millennial. that's really old. and then they just kinda like it pierces your heart a little bit. and you're like, oh god, that hurt really bad, but okay, thanks for reminding me.And it's okay if they do that, it's actually kind of funny and you can lean into it. but don't try to be gen z i think is the big thing when you're trying to relate just as i wouldn't try to be boomers either. Like you wouldn't try to be somebody else. so it's being yourself, knowing what you know, and like, not trying to guess at it, and you can talk to that generation, but they might just tell you, like, stop, get off the platform or something. i don't know. but there's always people that you can find within the platform that will relate to you too. that's a big thing David: 00:15:41How much of this do you think is kind of product social media platform fit? i guess. so my question is like, can you shoehorn a product that wouldn't necessarily work on social media, into social media marketing. so revenue cap being a good example. you know, we are, you know, sharing some videos on twitter and stuff like that, but it doesn't feel like TikTok would be a good platform for us to invest in marketing wise, as opposed to. Jacob: 00:16:18Cause because we're an infrastructure tool. David: 00:16:22As opposed to, you know, it sounds like even at the toy company, the stop motion animation product was what really hit on social media. did you try other, products within the toy company that didn't hit? or do you have any kind of thoughts on that kind of product platform fit? Madison: 00:16:41That's a good question. we specifically got on to TikTok because of the stop-motion toy. and i think it definitely makes it easier when you have a content creation tool, because we had an app that went with that toy too. and, and really it's all about entertaining people at the end of the day on TikTok and if you can't make entertaining content with your product, then it gets harder. i don't think we tried with other products. we did do a cross-promotion where we would have like a stop-motion toy playing with our other toys that we had kind of thing. and that was a fun way to do it, but we had different strategies for other toys, like influencer marketing or unboxing videos as well.But i think that anybody can be on TikTok but i also like to ask people, why do you think that you can't be on TikTok and people will say, well it's because kids are on there, it's a kid's platform. and it's really not at all. it used to be, it used to be people just lip sinking. and that's what i had started out doing.And i was terrible at it. i'm like this sucks. i am not, this is not a good platform for me. and it's really just transformed into a place where anybody can kind of find their, their audience and, and maybe with revenuecat it might be a thing of just trying to explain what you do in a really fun way and unique way to make people excited about it.Jacob: 00:18:03There are other developer brands that find success on there. right? there's like a certain language or that, that works. it's just like, hey, you know, for us. and so it's, and i think for any, any, you know, as an app, i think to going back to your point, david, about products, network fit, right. apps in general.Sit. well, i was thinking about 1 Second Everyday and TikTok, right. you're pointing a camera at your face at something. right. so like you're already, like, they were very like products in some ways. so it's like very smooth transition. but for most apps, it is right. you're there, you're on your phone.You're doing stuff you're probably bored like here. like, let me tell you about some other application you can use. it's a smooth transition. but then like i still. yeah. thinking about, i mean, we have this problem now that'd be the podcast we do. it's one thing. but then like, you know, for, for blog content and other things, it's really hard to come up with stuff that matters.Right. that like, like you were saying, maddie, like, so that, that, that, that, that's funny, like you care about, right. that that's what you want do. cause like, at the end of the day, if you're just trying to like chase the meme, it's gonna come off as hokey. right. it's going to come off as like an ungenuine. so. but i think app developers. yeah. i mean, i, i, it feels like we've heard like this whole tick talk as an app distribution mechanism really has kind of something that surprised me too. like it, it blinds, i mean, it's like we, and not just the first order of like we're selling ads on TikTok, this like second order user generated content stuff, which i think is just fast.Madison: 00:19:35Yeah. and i, i think that again, it's, you just have to figure out how you can be on the platform if you want to. and there's really nothing to lose with it too, because it doesn't cost money to be on there and try things like you can have a podcast format on there and you can take clips of a podcast and put them on there.And people have a lot of success doing that, or just having their, reply with the video feature. there's a lot of different kind of structures that people it's not just. making skits or trying to use popular. Sounds popular. sounds do well, but maybe that's not for you. i think it's, brainstorming, trying things, seeing what sticks and if it doesn't stick, then try something different.And if that doesn't, then you can focus your energy somewhere else and realize that, you know, you gave it your best shot and maybe there's a different kind of opportunity that, comes up later or a new feature that's introduced later that works.David: 00:20:29On the, on the trend chasing, what are some examples of that with 1 Second Everyday that you feel like came off? well, and, and kind of, how do you, how do you attach yourself to a trend without that? hokiness cause it sounds like you've succeeded at that, but i imagine that it is a hard thing to do.So any tips on how to do that? well, Madison: 00:20:50We kind of get lucky sometimes. and i, that is kind of like how TikTok works is luck. and i hate saying that. David: 00:20:58Favors the prepared though. Madison: 00:20:59Yeah. i mean, it's good that we were onto it. it definitely helps, to be able to, to see what's going on out in the world, but we just had, a wall street journal article that was about this too, about TikTok in 1 Second Everyday.And how there's this trend going on on, tech talk, where people are making 1 Second Everyday type video. and there's a lot of trends out there that show it's like the 27 video challenge where you have 27 videos and you set them to a song. that's very, we say that's one. when i see vibes, when we ever like share it inside of our slack channel Jacob: 00:21:34I mean, the thing is, is like bad posts. nobody sees, right? like, Madison: 00:21:39Yeah, it's kind of, it's like such a tiny thing and that goes back to the luck part of it. and i think being able to, jump on a trend, it's like, you could have a great video and people think it's awesome and you show it to your friend and they think it's great. and it just doesn't do well at the time.And you could post it two months later and it'll do that. Maybe not for a trend it's randomness and kind of like just how the algorithm works with wanting to reward you sometimes. but i think where we've done well with, jumping on a trend too, is we had a, a video that took off with, one of my coworkers made, she, she helped me make it.She was just standing there with her phone and was having somebody else zoom in on her that said i recorded 1 Second Everyday of my life for the last year. and then it just rotated through like really, really fast imagery of the year. and that was the trend of people showing it, but it was like this, we just kind of twisted it a little bit to make it about 1 Second Everyday, but don't ever make it like an ad.It shouldn't be, it shouldn't feel like 1 Second Everyday is posting it. and that's really cool. we were getting a lot of positive feedback on the posts because people were like, okay, what's the app that you use.Jacob: 00:22:56Yeah. Madison: 00:22:56And, and that's not a bad thing. people think that's a bad thing to have people ask that, but it's actually not.It just means that they think that some random girl posted a video, not a brand.And I prefer Jacob: 00:23:07On your brand account though Madison: 00:23:08On our brand account. we get that all the time. Jacob: 00:23:11I mean, that's a good sign of success, right? Madison: 00:23:13Yeah. people don't really read the, they don't read the captions. maybe i'm not sure what it is, but they don't Jacob: 00:23:21Yeah. it's really understated on TikTok, Madison: 00:23:24Yeah. Jacob: 00:23:24Kinda like floating in the Madison: 00:23:26Yeah. i feel like it's a great thing. when people have no idea that it's coming from a brand, even when it's posted on a brand account and that's, i would say with trends, it should feel like that it shouldn't feel like, like i'm trying to think of an example. like if oreo cookies made a thing, it shouldn't feel like they are just trying to sell you cookies.It needs to be entertaining. it needs to tell a story. you can't just find an easy way to do it and hope that it works.Jacob: 00:23:55So how, how so you've had success with first party content? i have you used like user generated stuff as well. have you tried to, i've seen it a lot of apps do this where they'll, i, we know if we've had it on the podcast, people before who have had like TikTok influencers make videos and then use those as ads.Have you experimented with any of that?Madison: 00:24:13We haven't used any as ads—something that's kind of weird about 1 second, everyday too. I mean, it also just has to do with us being a small team, with not a lot of money to spend on ads. so we really lean into organic because organic has also done really well for us. so why would we spend a bunch of money? Jacob: 00:24:31It's too usually Madison: 00:24:32But my, yeah my manager who used to be the social media manager when she started at 1 Second Everyday started a thing, where they added a feature actually to get more spikes monthly. and that was to make it so that people could mash their month and share their month on social. and then they had a giveaway that went with it and we still have that giveaway.And that gets hundreds of people to enter by sharing their, their, their month essentially, of 1 Second Everyday and that just keeps that going and just feeds into it. and then the more people that post about us. the more people that download and then the more people that can then post about us again.So it's just keeping that stream.Jacob: 00:25:15Did you have, it does again, post to tech talk as well as like other platforms or is it like specifically. on TikTok.Madison: 00:25:21Uh that's for instagram, actually Jacob: 00:25:25Oh, really? cause like take that, sorry. i'm th this is i'm totally like a tick tock idiot, but like you can't actually like post videos into TikTok, right? or,Madison: 00:25:34No. You definitely can. yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no. and we, we share user-generated content all the time on instagram, and we're trying to do that on TikTok as well, but it's, it's not the same because you can't really just share a one second everyday video from a random person. that doesn't mean as much as trying to kind of make it more of that TikTok format or putting a little bit of context behind it so that people understand. David: 00:25:58So, and, on the, on the panel we were on, you talked about, how well it's done for y'all at 1 Second Everyday. can you, rehash what you already said, but on here, tell us more specifically about a couple of the posts that went viral and then being able to see the direct results on, in downloads.Madison: 00:26:22Yeah. So we started arctic talk, in december because we wanted to be able to launch it before the new year, which is our biggest time of the year, because that's usually when people don't. and then, because it's the start of the year, that's a great time to just start a thing for your life and then they'll wait a year to post it.And so usually we see like this massive spike because everybody wants to post their year. but this time, what was different is that i think it was the day before the new year a girl, i was just randomly scrolling through TikTok and a girl had made a video that was like, hey, i have an idea. what if we just recorded 1 Second Everyday of our life, and then we would have a life movie, and then i went, oh, that's our app.And it hadn't even been, i don't think it was even at 1 million views yet. and so i was like, i got to do a duet right now. and so i filmed a duet where i just was walking through the app. as she's explaining this idea and people even thought that we made the app because of her idea, like how did you guys do that?So fast. so then people thought it was like this new cool app. and, it started this like microtrends, through ticks hawk and her video. i think it reached a lot of millions of views. i think it was like 13 million or something crazy. and then ours got, like a million views and then everything after that for a couple of days, it's like a million on our own account because then everybody started translating her video into their own country languages.And so you had hundreds of people copying her video and just ending up on everybody's feed. and then everybody that had already downloaded 1 Second Everyday and knew about it was commenting inside of those videos saying, hey, download 1 Second Everyday. so they were doing our job for us really. Jacob: 00:28:11You know, and that's a sign of a great product, right? Madison: 00:28:14Yeah, it is. it's like we, we talk about it cause we go and it's again, kind of a lucky circumstance of having this girl think of this idea. that's really similar to our app, but also we were able to capitalize on, on it even more because we do edit with it. and then we were able to grow an audience that to like now we're at, i don't even know what we're at 20 k or something on a TikTok, but we grew really fast within that time.And then. kind of going back to being able to see download spikes is we got a number one in the app store that day for the first time ever had never had that happen. and it just, i mean, it blew the other numbers just away dramatically. and then, now we're able to see these little spikes every month when a TikTok is posted from somebody.We had one in france and you'll see all the downloads that happened in france. just. and then we had one in argentina and that spiked and uk. so being able to like, see that and also just learn from them, like what kind of videos are they posting? super simple them just saying I've been recording my life for this long people just think that's cool. cause they're like, you did what you recorded your life for four years. what, how do i do that? and then you tell them how they do it. and then they just, they're all like talking in the comments. it's really cool. and, but we haven't seen them. at all on the other years, it's only this time that we've seen these like massive monthly spikes too.David: 00:29:46Didn't, y'all hit number one again in may or something. Madison: 00:29:49We did for a different country. And i think that was argentina, which we had never done before. David: 00:29:55Nice. Madison: 00:29:56Country, but you could connect it back to one second.David: 00:29:59Wow. Jacob: 00:30:00We've seen, i mean, we had david smith on the podcasts a couple of weeks ago. and his app, would just meth, like exploded because of that. and like, he, it was just, somebody made a video, right? david, that was a story for his, like, it wasn't, it was the same thing. it was like not, they didn't pay for it, somebody to just like, show how to do a cool thing with this guy's app.Well, i mean, from our perspective, we talked about it on the podcast at the time, but from our perspective, we, we provide his infrastructure for purchases and we were like, what the hell is happening? like, it's, it's, it's amazing. i mean, i don't know it was like computer brain guy, but like what this like interconnected, like we've really like shortened the loop for like the, just like minimal.Energy to like move around. right? like people can like spike this stuff. and it's yeah, it's, it's it's mind blowing the capex cause we've seen it also, not just, we've just been, we've seen other apps too. like, you know, it's hard to move the needle for our infrastructure because we're thousands of hours.But in TikTok and like some of these, and to a lesser extent, instagram can still like drive events that show up on our graphs, like what the hell is happening? we had one, it was a paid one car, like a kardashian driven one that obviously it's different because you're paying an influencer. but, but, but yeah, it's, it's, it's incredible.And maybe back to your point about it being organic, right. versus, or like earned, you could call it too. right. it's earned as organic. watching it and being there, you know, for, for us, the first party, like to, to take advantage of that, i think is as important as trying to be like, you know, creating your own content.Right. it'sMadison: 00:31:39Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it wouldn't have gone as well if we didn't have, a presence on the platform too. and i think that just goes to show that you should just be on the platforms and have a voice on the platforms for that moment. you shouldn't be just jumping on. i think there's probably like examples of that with other brands, like, the cranberry juice, like ocean spray stuff that happened.I don't think they had a presence on TikTok, but then they caught on real fast. but just imagine if they already did have a presence and then people would want to be posting about them more. but i think, yeah, just having a presence on there too, when that's all happening Jacob: 00:32:17Oh, i was trying to place the meeting. that was the guy with the skateboard,Madison: 00:32:19Yeah, that's the skateboard.Sorry. yeah, yeah. no, it's, it was really cool to see that all happen and, and be able to show numbers because everybody, i mean, on the team, has everybody in general has opinions on TikTok. and when you're able to actually just correlate these things with numbers, some people, the people that are number of people were just like mind blown.They love it. feel like this is great. Jacob: 00:32:47It sounds like the algorithm is very capricious though. it sounds like it's very kind of, even, even you even suggested that there's like intentional randomness, like progressive randomness.Madison: 00:32:57There's yeah, there is. but then there's also, i've made a video like the four years that i had captured kind of video where you have something playing in the back, like the app i have in the background and me just sharing my story. i've done that three times, i think. and every time it's done. So you, it, it also rewards you for doing the same thing over and over, which isn't a good thing and that's how you can get trapped, but it is a nice thing to lean on when you're like, we need a spike.Let's do this kind of video. David: 00:33:27Did you follow the, the widget smith and homescreen customization thing that blew up in the fall.Madison: 00:33:34Hm.David: 00:33:35Okay. i was just going to get your thoughts on that, but, yeah, i mean like, like jacob said, he blew up on TikTok inMadison: 00:33:43I know, i know what you're talking aboutDavid: 00:33:44Okay.Madison: 00:33:45I, yeah, yeah, yeah. when everybody was customizing their screens to make it like a theme and everything. David: 00:33:50Yep. yeah. and so that's what jacob was talking about a minute ago was that widget smith was, was kind of the center of all of that and, and, they use revenue, cat. and so it just blew up. But but that was kind of, just this crazy viral wave where, what i thought was so cool about how that happened. and, we talked about on the podcast, i want to go super into it, but, she basically gave it to tutorial of how to use the app, which is like the best onboarding you could ever hope for. you know, it's like, it is a complex thing to like go set up a widget. and, configure all these, this stuff to get the widgets, to show up correctly.And it it's all a hassle that you would typically, as a developer have to think, oh man, i need to onboard the user. i need to convince them that it's worth all of this hassle to get some reward out of it. and then she goes and like, i forget it was like 45 second video, maybe even 32nd video. it was like, here's how you do it.Damn like, or actually i think she said like, she showed that like homescreen at how cool and aesthetic it was. and then, then she showed how to do it. and then she, it was like, she, it was like this perfectly scripted marketing. onboarding thing of telling you how to do it, telling you the result, telling you it's worth doing, telling you, you know, it's worth the hassle of going through these steps and then showing you the steps.It was just amazing how it wasn't an ad. it was totally user generated, just ended up being the absolute perfect ad because it was user generated. and because it was user-generated she felt like she needed to explain it all and like tell that story. so yeah, it was just a, it was just a really fascinating little blur lip.And then, and then, you know, a lot of apps have been going viral because of TikTok. since then, i forget there was another, another one recently that was like super random, like some kind of calculator or something that got into the top 100 in the app store. Madison: 00:35:50Oh, that's cool. David: 00:35:51Yeah, so it's just crazy. Jacob: 00:35:53Have, you all, thought about product changes to try to incent that behavior, to like try and encourage folks to make video as a aside from you mentioned the like sharing thing, but there seems like there could be other ways to kind of. plant some more of those viral spikesMadison: 00:36:07Yeah. something that we're working on. i don't know if i'm actually probably allowed to say what it is because it's not yeah. even secret. We have things planned where we're thinking about it. yes, we do. we think about ways that we can incorporate it in the app. and we want to think about more ways. i mean, we've had.TikTokers that have influenced product changes to just even the ability to flip, like mirror their video. i don't know if you know what that trend is, but there was this, effect they had on tech talk that would mirror your face and it makes it look bizarre when you flip it for some reason it's a psychological thing.And so then everybody was telling us that we need to have a mirror button so they can flip it back the correct way. and we made that change when people were really happy. so we definitely listened to everybody on social about stuff. and yes, we do think about product changes and are trying to think about more for the future to encourage people to post, but definitely making sure that there's no, paywall with that too.Jacob: 00:37:12You know, if you want to make hay off of like organic or viral or something like that, it has to be, i've worked on several like viral, organic or viral cheri features like stuff like this, the only ones i've ever had be successful are the ones that are like core to the product, which means like, you have to think about it early.Right? you have to think about. early on. i mean, you can add stuff later, but like, unless it's like consequential or like it's easy or interesting, like it's not actually gonna get to that viral coefficient. that makes enough of a difference. but, but doing the product work in some ways, it's going to be higher leverage than like trying to make your end video.Right. Madison: 00:37:50Yeah. Jacob: 00:37:50Making the product more shareable. uh Madison: 00:37:52Yeah. We have those conversations and people try to loop in the marketing team to, and pick our brains about, hey, we heard about this product request and we want to know on a scale of one to 10, how important is this for the success of the app? and like, how much is it going to affect it? and we'll talk about it and be like, well, that filter is not really that important.You can hold off for like next summer or something. it's, it's having those conversations. they're really important. i think everybody on the team talks together about the features. David: 00:38:24What do you think are, are some other ways, and specifically going back to the algorithm that, that helps you stand out. yeah. like so aside from trend chasing, i know the like popular songs is one thing, right? because if you use the background audio from a video that was trending, the kind of audio trends separate from the video, right.Or separate from topics and things like that. are there any other kind of tips and tricks to, to help your video stand out? even if you're not, you know, doing specific kind of trenches.Madison: 00:39:03That's a difficult one. cause that kinda comes down to like you and your personality and what makes you different as well. and that's a really hard one that can take a long time to kind of flesh out. but if you're not trend chasing, it's kind of playing around with features in the app and kind of seeing new ways that you can play with it.I know i had a video on my own personal account that was using their voiceover effect that they have, where the text is read out by a woman. and i would misspell the names of like popular celebrities on purpose. and i found out that i could actually drag the misspelling out of the video. you couldn't see it, but it would still do.It and then i could put the actual person's name so i could make it seem like this voice is just completely butchering these names in the worst way. and it went viral. just like thinking of these like random ways that you can use these features or like tricks is really important and it's super fun.And people love it so i think, yeah, just diving into using the app itself. there's so many features that go on and new ways that you can use them. and that's how you stand out just kind of making like a little bit of a tweak to something Jacob: 00:40:15So i'll, you know, just to look into the future because if it, you know, having seen, having seen myspace and then now, then facebook become cool and not cool. and twitter, i think twitter is not cool anymore.Probably i don't know. now i'm on there. so now it's my social media of choice and i take talks.The rising. cool. like, do you have any, like, i mean, imagine you're in a multi-decade career of doing something along those lines, do you, do you think about, or imagine like what, what might be next? or like what the kids, what the kid on the bus might be talking about in, in, in five or 10 years?Madison: 00:40:50All the time. yeah, but they're, i mean, i have been on new platforms all the time too, and they just flop sometimes you'll think it's a great thing. but it's often because people think they're putting out something different and they're really not. it's just the same thing, but looks a little different, different colors maybe, or you can't force people to use an app.You can only get people to like naturally kind of come over there. and a lot of companies will pay people to come and use their app. Yeah. to try to get people to come over there and generate fake viewers or a fake users really. and that doesn't work either. so i do think about it a lot. i haven't quite seen that yet for what the new thing is.I think TikTok has stayed around a lot longer than i thought, because i remember talking about it with people at vidcon a couple of years ago, where we went, when do you think vidcon is going to go? just because we were all scared because of. vine when that i mean, dropped it affected so many people and it impacted them in a positive way too, because some people had already set their sights on, youtube or doing TikTok it's either you chose short form content or long form. so just being ready, don't have all your eggs in one basket. it's kind of like the big thing and be looking and just be aware of what's out there. it doesn't mean that the thing will be the next big thing. it just means you should be aware of it in case it does become a thing Jacob: 00:42:17Yeah, i would say like taking your company brand onto very unproven platforms is probably not a great use of time. right? like you want to wait until there's something there.Madison: 00:42:26Yeah, i think it's with, smaller teams. it's definitely us trying to think is an hour going to really be worth it, or is it really more well-spent if it's an hour of me making some tech talks in my apartment, probably the tech docs right now,David: 00:42:42Yeah,Madison: 00:42:42Of a random thing, but it's. David: 00:42:44But but how do you approach it set then? because there is value in the experimentation. i like seeing what's next. so do you kind of think okay, i'm going to waste. two hours this week, checking out new. i mean, you probably don't timebox it like that, but there is some value in that experimentation. how much are you time?Are you spending on that experimentation? it sounds like that's, i mean, that's kind of been a theme of this whole conversation is try this, try that, see what sticks, see what happens. so, and there's value in that. so how, how much, how do you kind of view that time? that you're. throwing stuff against the wall.Okay. Madison: 00:43:25It can really range and not just depends on what apps are out. there are a ceo caesar's awesome at being in the loop with the tech world and kind of seeing what platforms are being talked about on twitter. so twitter still is a relevant thing for people talking. yeah, it is. Jacob: 00:43:42Early millennials, Madison: 00:43:44Yeah, Jacob: 00:43:45Out of anything relevant, Madison: 00:43:46Exactly. like, he sent us apps that were like, whoa, this is really cool. and even if it's not something that blows up, it can still help us with our app too. and like internally. yeah. we're like, that's a really cool onboarding video. i've never seen anything like that. that's super helpful.And that, that's just the team being curious about stuff. and i think that's so important. also, if you're in social media, you should just be, i mean, on social media and i am definitely on social media way too much, but that's what i do with my own time too. i'm not like making an account for 1 Second Everyday on every new platform that exists and like trying it out.I'm trying it out on my own own time sometimes like on my own account. and that's the best way is just to see how you like it and how it's working for you and your friends to you. i can't remember what the app was called. it's like paparazzi. i think maybe that's what it's called. Yeah. Jacob: 00:44:42Now went viral for four days or Madison: 00:44:44Right. went viral for four days or whatever. and it was great. and we were like, well, this is so cool. that's like one of the onboarding videos that were like, this is awesome. it's got like the, the phone was vibrating and stuff while you were like going through this onboarding experience. so it was so cool.We didn't stick with it, but that's also because we're like, we don't have as many friends as like a bunch of kids do. so maybe that's a different experience in their world. maybe they're all talking about it more. yeah, i think just getting on it and seeing it can be a valuable thing and using it for your own time and actually creating content on the platform is important.Jacob: 00:45:20It's not too dissimilar from how developers use new, like coding tools. right? like you try it for side projects. i mean, it's one channel for revenue. cat's talking about our own growth is like, we want to make sure. selling into bigger older companies. it's a little, sometimes it's taken longer route. we'll do it now, but like it's much easier to win.Like yeah. they'll like inconsequential or less consequential side project. and then, you know, ramp that into something bigger later, right.Madison: 00:45:45Yeah.Jacob: 00:45:46That is sometimes a better place for that experimentation. David: 00:45:49It's funny. i would say here. an app developers perspective. so we have the tools guy, the social media person at me and me is the app, focus. So exactly what you were saying is, is how you want to prove out your own app. like i've had apps where i send out a beta and people stop using it like a couple of days later.And so, you know, when you go onto this social media platform and you're trying it and your own personal use just drops off. then it's clear, it's not a sticky where most people would get on TikTok. it's like they're hooked and they're going. Jacob: 00:46:22Will not open the damn thing.Is to get, like, i got twitter enough in my life through ruining it. like i don't David: 00:46:29Yeah. Jacob: 00:46:30Other one. yeah. David: 00:46:31But for, but for the developers out there, you know, when you send out a beta, you know, your beta people might not be your exact target market, but you should have some level of like stickiness. in, in the app signs of product market fit. but anyways, i do want to talk a little bit and we need, we're getting short on time, but, you're launching a new community, feature with a community manager. or tell me about that. because i actually don't know all the detailsMadison: 00:47:01Yeah. I think you mean brand ambassador program, is that correct? that's what you're talking about. cause i kind of, i, yeah i had announced that on the panel that day that we were launching that and we. had over to just like 200 applications for people to join our brand ambassador team. and we have a marketing team of three people to manage that team.So we had to narrow it down a lot, unfortunately, but we had, you know, over 200 people submitting videos of why they wanted to be on this team. and this team is for us to be able to connect with people in the community, to kind of just start a brand ambassador program, because we've always wanted to do that.It's been talked about forever, so we just made the leap and we narrowed it down to, 26 people and announced them last week. and so we're getting them all onboarded and ready to go. and we've got like people from all over the world that are ready make some content about 1 Second Everyday but that's kind of the thing is they get, you know, connections with us and can have impacts within the app as well as like free merch and things like that, that are really fun.And then. we get some content from them in exchange, which is kind of like user-generated and hopefully we'll be successful and we'll see some like, really cool things from them. we're just excited to see what they create. David: 00:48:24So, so the, so the, goal is, is to be more directly connected with some of the people who are already creating content in the space. and then, and it's not a paid gig. it's, it's a, they, like you said, they get paid in, in, in merge, and, but i imagine that that's not. Jacob: 00:48:46March. you can't put a dollar value onMadison: 00:48:48Right? yes. Yes. exclusive. David: 00:48:50What, what, i mean, what was the pitch to them specifically?Madison: 00:48:54Yeah. The pitch to people, in general, was to be a part of the community to identify as a 1 Second Everyday fan, which we've got a lot of big super fans out there, who've been using the app for eight years to, you know, a year and they just love it. And they just want to be a part of that and really kind of make their own with it.If they're a writer, they can submit a blog post if they want. If they really like social media, they can focus on TikToks to make for us to post and kind of help give them shout outs. They just really want to have experience some of these kids are, some of them are like kids that want marketing experience.Some people are older that are just like, I love this app so much. And I promise I will make the coolest videos for you. And here's like what I do. And they're just so jazzed about it. And they're going to get like the younger people that are newer to the app, really excited, guided. So we're just excited to see them interact and everything.And then get content and like new ideas because I'm just a one person making stuff for social media. And I want to see kind of what people naturally make. We're not trying to force them to make anything. We're not telling them that they have to make this kind of video. It's just whatever they want to do.And then they can discuss within the community. Jacob: 00:50:11So, I'd like to take this opportunity to announce the RevenueCat brand ambassador program.David, figure out the details.David: 00:50:18Oh, thanks. Jacob: 00:50:19I don't know what this is just the sort it out for me.David: 00:50:22No, this is blowing my mind though. I mean, and again, the whole reason I wanted to have you on the podcast is you just are thinking so differently. I know brand ambassador is it, I just I've seen brand ambassadors. I know the general idea, you know, but I just never would have thought it could work for an app.So it's so cool that y'all are just trying this new thing and having users help with your marketing.Madison: 00:50:46Yeah. David: 00:50:47Then being so like thrilled to do it. That's just incredible. Jacob: 00:50:49So much better too, than like a bunch of like stale Facebook ads degenerated on Fiverr, right?Madison: 00:50:59Yeah. That's mostly how people find out about our app is through word of mouth and people posting about us. So it only made sense. And we knew it was the right time because we had all these people asking if we had a brand investor profile. And that's kind of like how we sold it to the team too, is being like, hey, people are asking, people are interested. This is the time to do it. And just try it. There's nothing to lose. Let's go for it. See what happens. And then hopefully from there, we'll be able to just keep growing it.David: 00:51:30Yeah. Madison: 00:51:31Like awesome connection with our user base.David: 00:51:34And what's been so cool about doing this podcast and talking to so many folks is that different things just click for different people. So, if you're listening to this podcast and you have an app that isn't content heavy, you know, maybe social media is not the perfect fit for you. And maybe you're not going to be able to have brand amabassadors and things like that.But the point is you don't just have to buy ads on Facebook. There are so many different avenues to explore, and this is one really cool way to do something different, and to very cost-effectively grow without just dumping money into ads. So it's so cool. And we do need to wrap up. Is there anything else you wanted to share?We're going to put links to your TikTok and 1 Second Everyday. But anything else you wanted to share as we wrap up?Madison: 00:52:23No, I think that's it. Thanks so much for having me. I had a really fun time talking about all this with you guys. This is my passion, so it's great to chat.David: 00:52:33Well, thanks so much for your time. This is super insightful.Jacob: 00:52:36Yeah, thank you. Madison: 00:52:37Thank you.
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Pre-order Michele's book! deployempathy.com/order/Michele Hansen 00:00Welcome back to Software Social. This episode is sponsored by the website monitoring tool, Oh Dear. Oh Dear does everything they can to help you avoid downtime like scheduled task monitoring, SSL certificate expiration notifications and more. But downtime happens. When it does, it's how you communicate in times of crisis that make the difference. Oh Dear makes it easy to keep your customers up to date during critical times. You can sign up for a 10 day free trial with no credit card required at OhDear.app. Colleen Schnettler 00:35So Michele, do you have a, Michele Hansen 00:38Hey, Colleen Schnettler 00:38Good morning. Do you have a numbers update for us on your book? Michele Hansen 00:43I do. So my presale went live about a week and a half ago, when our episode with Sean went live. That was my deadline. And, I've sold 43 copies right now. Yeah, it's kind of exciting. Um, it's not all people I know, which is exciting. Colleen Schnettler 01:06That's very exciting. Michele Hansen 01:08I love how supportive people have been. And it also, it makes me, it's just reassuring that people I don't know are buying it. But yeah, so that puts it right now, just, and this is just the raw, you know, number of times $29, which is $1,247. Colleen Schnettler 01:30That's amazing. Congratulations. Michele Hansen 01:33Yeah. Thank you. And I got my first payout yesterday, which after, like, taxes, and everything else, was $912. Colleen Schnettler 01:41Wow. Michele Hansen 01:42Which was kind of exciting, and gives me a little bit of budget to work with, with, like, you know, hiring a proofreader, and using some, like, layout tools, but, you know, so I was pulling these numbers, and because, you know, everybody loves numbers and whatnot. And I was thinking about it. So, so I got this, this message from someone yesterday, who had started reading the book, and it was actually someone I don't know. And if I can just kind of read what they, what they said. Colleen Schnettler 02:25Yes, please.Michele Hansen 02:26And so I had a personal aha moment reading distinction between sympathetic, empathetic and solution based responses. My sympathetic conclusion based responses are leaving no space for empathetic, something I need to address. I'm an engineer and an architect by trade, and I'm looking to do a better job interviewing the humans attached to our work. But I'm also thinking about your book from the sense that a better balance of empathy will help me be a better teammate as well. And, like, getting that was so moving for me because it made me think about how, you know, I'm not writing this book for the money. Like, yes, the book needs to make money, because I've been working on it for four months now and have, you know, there's a lot of time I haven't spent working on Geocodio. Oh, like, I've been a pretty bad Geocodio employee the past couple of months, like, full honesty, right? So like, I have to, like, it has to have been, you know, worth my time. But like, I am not, I'm not motivated by that, like, I am motivated by this, by like, you know, like, I have this like, secret dream goal. Well, I mean, it's not a secret cuz I've, like, tweeted about it, but like, whatever. You know, Mathias sometimes says to me, he's like, I know you were thinking about something because you tweeted about it. And I'm like, oh, I forgot to, like, verbalize that. Anyway, um, I have this dream that through the process of learning this for interviewing, and, like, product development and marketing reasons, people will understand how to be more empathetic and use that in their daily lives. Like, everyone has a capacity for empathy. Everybody can learn it, not everybody is taught it or shown it so they don't really learn it. But everyone has a capacity for it. And, but also, like, very few people, you know, put like, be more empathetic, like, learn how to learn how to use empathy, like on their to do list every day. But they put write a landing page, get more customers, build a feature, like, reply to all of those customers and intercom like, those are the things that end up on a to do list. And so I have this like, kind of, I don't know, like, naive dream that like people will read this and apply these skills to the things they're already doing, but in doing so, learn how to be more empathetic in their daily life or you know, as a as a team member or whatnot. And just getting this message really, it was so motivating, but also so soul-nourishing because it really made me feel like, like the book has done what I wanted it to do. Like, this is what I set out to achieve and, like, this message makes me feel like the book is a success, regardless of how many copies it sells. Like, so it was just like, it was kind of a, it was kind of a, like a moment, like it was, it also sort of like if you're having this effect, like you can, like, stop rearranging it, like, you know, I feel like I've done a rewrite every week for, like, the past eight weeks. Yeah, time to time to ship the gosh darn thing. Colleen Schnettler 05:57That is wonderful. So what I just heard you say is, this book is secretly teaching us how to be better humans, wrapped up in a book about customer interviews. Michele Hansen 06:09Yes, wrapped up in a book about which features you should prioritize, and how to, you know, pick a pricing model based on what people's usage patterns are, and, like, how to understand what people want and write better landing pages. All that stuff they're already trying to do. But then yeah, there's, there's this kind of bigger message. Like, I feel like so much of good UX practice is good human being practice. Colleen Schnettler 06:35Yeah. Michele Hansen 06:36Um, and, I mean, I, I really learned about empathy by doing interviews myself. So this, I mean, it's, it's, it's very personal for me in a way that, like, the book is, I don't know, it is very, very personal for me. And it's not just about showing empathy to other people. It's also about showing empathy to yourself, too, which is just as important. Colleen Schnettler 07:06So I have not read the book yet, unfortunately. Can you tell me briefly, what the difference is between empathy and sympathy that that writer wrote into you? Because we talk about it a lot, but we've never defined it, really. Michele Hansen 07:22Yeah, that's true. So empathy is when you, basically when you, when you try to understand the other person's context without judgment, and it doesn't mean that you agree with what they're saying. You're just trying to find the context behind what they're saying or what they're doing. Because, sort of, most of us, basically, we assume that our, there's this assumption that our actions make sense from our perspective. That is to say you wouldn't go out and do something if it didn't make sense to you, like, maybe very few people might, but like, for the most part, we have this underlying assumption that, that the things that we do make sense to us. And so you're basically trying to find that internal context for why somebody does something, and then you reflect it back for them. So for example, if you came to me and started telling me about how, like, I don't, I don't know something you were struggling with, like, let's say, you felt like you were banging your head up against the keyboard all week on some, like, coding problem and it was really frustrating for you. An empathetic response to that would be man, that sounds really hard and like you were working really hard on it and it was super frustrating for you. A sympathetic response would be, oh, I'm sorry you went through that. So a sympathetic response creates distance between the person who is speaking and the person who has aired something, and that might not be a complaint or a frustration. It could be like something positive, but it creates distance. And sometimes it's called fake empathy. Like, I feel like this is what you see in a lot of, like, really bad public figures, celebrity apologies. It's like, I'm sorry, that offended you. It's like, no, that's wrong. Like, like, that's not, that's not actually apologizing. And then there's also kind of this other element that I feel like is this sort of, like, solution-based responses, which comes from a place of caring, and I think us as product builders, I know me, like, we really fall into this, is someone, like, if you came to me with some, some problem. If I just said, oh, well, have you tried this? Which, I'm trying to solve your problem, I'm showing care, right? Like, I wouldn't propose a solution to your problem if I didn't care about you and making that solution better. The problem is, is that it doesn't validate your experience and it doesn't acknowledge your experience. So, while it comes from a good place, it's not empathetic because it doesn't say, wow, like, that was really hard for you. Like it doesn't, it doesn't fake make you feel seen or heard. And it could end up being, through the course of a conversation, you end up explicitly asking me like, do you have any advice for how I could do this? Like, what should I try? I feel like I've tried all these other things. But an empathetic response starts with acknowledging what the other person has gone through. Colleen Schnettler 10:25Okay. Okay Michele Hansen 10:26And then also checking in with them, like, do you, do you want me to listen to you about this? Or do you want me to help you brainstorm ideas? Colleen Schnettler 10:33Okay. Michele Hansen 10:33Like, so but I think that's, that's like one of those that really, like, it took me a while to wrap my head around that because the other thing about a solution response, especially in the context of a customer interview, or whatnot, is that you need all the context behind, behind why someone does something and why they went through something in order to really build something that solves the problem for them in a way that they understand and they're capable of grokking. Right? Because we need all of the context behind it, not just the functional context, but also sort of the emotional and social context of things in order to build a product that someone feels like is speaking to their experience and the problem they have. Does that make sense? Colleen Schnettler 11:18Yeah, it, it does. It's, it feels like a subtle difference, though. Like, when I try to understand your problem in your context, in your context, the sympathy for versus the empathy, like, it feels very subtle to me. Michele Hansen 11:34It is subtle, but like, um, I mean, it's, it's subtle. You know, it's the difference between, I'm sorry, that was hard for you and that was hard for you. Like, those are a subtle difference between them, but there is a huge difference between that and what someone would receive. Colleen Schnettler 11:53Yeah, I can see that. Michele Hansen 11:55And because when you say, I'm sorry, that happened to you, it emphasizes that it didn't happen to me. Colleen Schnettler 12:01Right, okay. Michele Hansen 12:01It actually, like, Brené Brown talks about this a lot. I'm sorry, that happened to you. It, it makes the other person feel more alone because it emphasizes that they are the only one who experienced that, and it makes them feel isolated. Colleen Schnettler 12:18Okay. Michele Hansen 12:19And she has a great way of responding, I'm sorry, of phrasing this, and I don't know if I'm doing it justice. But basically it creates that distance, and feeling alone and feeling like you're the only person who went through something is a really, really hard feeling, especially when you have just gone through something frustrating, and it doesn't have to be a big thing. It could just be, you know, the fact that I spent my week fighting with Grammarly, like, like that could be the problem we're discussing. And, but if you said oh, I'm sorry, you went through that, like, it reminds me that you didn't go through that. Colleen Schnettler 12:55Hmm. Okay. Michele Hansen 12:57And it was like, oh, yeah, that was like, maybe it was just me, like, maybe I was doing something wrong, like, am I using it wrong? Like is like, like, you know, it creates all of that doubt and feeling of sort of loneliness in it. Colleen Schnettler 13:11And so tell me the empathetic response again. Michele Hansen 13:14That sounds really hard. Colleen Schnettler 13:15That sounds really hard. Okay, right. So you're not, you're trying not to create that distance where they're an individual isolated, Michele Hansen 13:23Right. Colleen Schnettler 13:24And you're over here. Michele Hansen 13:25And it doesn't start out with I, right? Like, the sympathetic response to start with, you know, like, I'm sorry, that offended you. Colleen Schnettler 13:33Okay. Michele Hansen 13:34Versus the difference between like, that offended you. Because when you say it that way, you're sort of asking for elaboration. Colleen Schnettler 13:41Right. Right. Michele Hansen 13:42Versus I'm sorry, I offended you just shuts it off. Colleen Schnettler 13:46Wow, I say that all the time. I'm sorry, XYZ happened to you. Michele Hansen 13:50I said it all the time, too, then I started learning about this stuff. And I was like, I'm accidentally like, a jerk, and I didn't even realize it. But so many of us speak this way. And we learn the way we speak from the people around us. And if the people around you, when you were learning to speak, didn't speak empathetically, even if they're otherwise nice people. like, then it would make sense why you think this way and don't realize it. Colleen Schnettler 14:15Interesting. Michele Hansen 14:16Like, it's totally normal to not realize that what you have been saying is actually not empathetic. Like, like, it is a, it is a learned skill for many people. I mean, the people who have it built in are the people whose, you know, parents really made it a focus when they, when they had their kid. Like, but for most of us, it's kind of oh, I guess I should stop saying that. Like, I remember how at one point, like, when I was in my early 20s, I was at a job and somebody was like, you know, you really shouldn't say well, actually. Like, I don't know if you realize how you are coming across. Like, I know you don't mean anything by it, but like, it's, it's kind of like, and I was like, oh, crap, I do that all the time. Okay, like, mental note, like, mental dictionary update: stop. Like, so it doesn't, you know, it doesn't mean that you're not a nice person or that you're not an empathetic person or that you're not, you don't have a capability for empathy, it simply means that you haven't learned it and all of the various implications of it and we can call learn. Colleen Schnettler 15:15Okay. Yeah. Well, thank you for, for telling me about that. Like, that's really interesting. I didn't know that. I find that like, this whole thing, empathy and psychology, as I'm trying to, as I'm talking to people and trying to sell my product, I have found that it really, and I already knew this, but like, now I'm seeing it, it really makes a difference. Can I just tell you about this one issue, which I find so interesting? Michele Hansen 15:42Yes. Colleen Schnettler 15:43Okay. So the way my product works is you upload files to the cloud, and then I provide you a dashboard where you can see all of those files. I have gotten several requests now from people to allow them to tag the files. Michele Hansen 16:02Oh, yeah, like Drew asked for that. Right? Colleen Schnettler 16:04Yeah. So I've been trying to figure out why people want to tag the files. He's not the only one who asked for it. Some other people have asked for it. The reason these people want to tag the files is because they want to be able to mass delete all of the files they've uploaded in a development environment. Why did they want to do that? From what I'm understanding, they want to do that so those files, like, because those aren't production files, they're not, like, cluttering up their dashboard. So when those people have asked me about this, I said, well, look, if you exceed your storage, because I don't have a mass delete function right now, and I don't have that, I'll just give you more storage. But nobody likes that answer. It's like, and so I think it's like a mental psychological thing where they want, like, a nice, clean dashboard. I don't know, I just find this really interesting, because I'm like, storage is cheap. I'll give you more storage until I implement this. But, but it's like, it's, like, as human beings, they really want, like, to segment stuff. I don't know, it's like mental. That's kind of the way I've been, I've been thinking about it. Like, as human beings, they don't want files that they don't need on their dashboard, even if they don't have to pay for them. But I'm like, I don't know. So, so that's just kind of been an interesting one for me. I'm like, but you literally like, I'm not gonna make you pay for those files. It's fine. They can just be there in outer space. But no one, yeah, that's an interesting one that keeps coming up. Michele Hansen 17:25Yeah, it sounds like they, like, that clutter is creating a certain like, Colleen Schnettler 17:33Mental clutter or something psychological clutter. Michele Hansen 17:36Nervousness, or something. And then there's also this element of wanting to, like, mentally, like to mentally separate things like, I'm sort of, I'm reminded of one of my favorite economics papers called Mental Accounting by Richard Thaler, which is basically on how people like, they create different jobs for different bank accounts and investment accounts, and like, you know, for example, people might have one brokerage account that's just for, like, they have like fun money versus they have their serious 401k. Or like, some people have many different bank accounts for, you know, for different purposes. And it, there's, there's probably a broader term for this, but since I come from an econ background, that's, but like, people wanting to create these different mental categories, and basically, like, it's almost like they want to go, sort of, it's like mentally going to IKEA and buying one of those room divider shelves with all the different boxes you can slide boxes in and, like, being able to look at it and see that everything is in all of its little different categories and is in its place. And they know like, you know which things are in which box, and it looks all nice and organized from the outside. Colleen Schnettler 18:51Yeah, I am going to do it because I have found I use my own product for my clients, and I have found I desire the same thing. But I think you're absolutely right. Like, from a purely practical perspective, it doesn't matter. But from, like, a human organizational mental box perspective, like, it seems to make people happy. Michele Hansen 19:11Yeah, like, there's that functional perspective of it. But then there's the emotional perspective of feeling like everything is organized. And then I also wonder if there's a social element where like, maybe they're afraid one of their coworkers will use a file that was only for development, or because there's so many files and they're all in one list, someone will use the wrong file or, like, I wonder if there's any, any sort of elements around that going on? Colleen Schnettler 19:41Yeah. Could be. I didn't ask that. That's, Michele Hansen 19:47So when someone asks you for that, what did you say back to them, exactly? Colleen Schnettler 19:52Well, the first time someone asked me, I said, that's a great idea. I'm totally gonna do that. Michele Hansen 19:58Okay. That's an understandable response. Colleen Schnettler 19:59I know you're over there thinking, like, have I taught you nothing, Colleen? You have taught me. That was before we were doing a podcast. Michele Hansen 20:06No, that was a starting point, and that's a perfectly understandable reaction to that. What did you start saying after that? Colleen Schnettler 20:15So the second request I got was via email. So I didn't really have the back and forth that I would have had when I'm talking to someone on the phone or on Slack. And, so this person, I asked them kind of what their use case was, and I also told them in the email that they, you know, I wasn't going to charge them for development files. So if storage became a problem, we could work something out until I had the, you know, a bulk delete API set up. And this person was looking to segment files so they could do a mass delete of the development files. And they also brought up they thought it would be great to be able to segment files, like via model. So you could have, here's all my avatar files over here, here's all my resumes over here, which would be really cool. I mean, that I can totally see the value because and then you're then in your admin, yeah, then in your admin dashboard, you could easily filter based on, you know, what your tag was. And it's really not hard to do, I just haven't done it. But I do like, I do like that idea. And that, to me, makes a lot of sense because I think people really like, like we just talked about, like, you like to have your stuff in the appropriate boxes. Michele Hansen 21:34I think it's hard sometimes when somebody proposes an idea that we get the value of because we would use it ourselves. It can be really hard to say, can you walk me through how you would use that? Colleen Schnettler 21:46Yeah it is. Michele Hansen 21:47Like, because their reasons may be different. And we really, we need all of those reasons because the reasons I would do something might be different than the reasons why somebody else would do something. But when we understand something, it feels very unnatural to ask for clarification, even when we don't need it. But it's so reasonable. Colleen Schnettler 22:08That's exactly what it is. It feels so weird, because I'm like, yeah, totally. That's a great freaking idea. Yeah, it is odd. Michele Hansen 22:16I sometimes feel like it's, I wonder if this comes from, like, conditioning in school where, like, I feel like the kid who asks a lot of questions is, you know, sort of branded as annoying. I was definitely that kid in math class. Like, I just always seemed to understand it two weeks after the test. And I wonder if it's like that fear that like, oh, God, like, am I going to be the person who asks questions. And then we have this like, sense that being the person who asks questions, even one that might be sort of a quote, unquote, like dumb question that's clarifying something. Get you like, like, I wonder if there's kind of this built in social conditioning around that, that makes us not want to ask those clarification questions. And we're like, okay, I think I can guess what they want, so I'm just not gonna ask further about that. But, but when we're building a product, you need to be able to, like, look in all the different nooks and crannies of how they're thinking. Colleen Schnettler 23:08Yeah, definitely. That definitely is valuable. To your point, you might use it one way, and they might want it for something totally different. So I really do think, like, throughout the course of this podcast, and since we've been spending a lot of time talking about customer interviews over the past several months, that I've gotten way better at it, because it's, it's my instinct, just to say, yeah, I totally agree, because I do totally agree. So why, I think for me, it's not like, I'm not I don't I'm not scared of asking clarifying questions. I think it's more like, I don't want to waste any more time. Like, I'm like, okay, cool. Let's not waste anyone's time, and let's just go do it. So I have, I do really think I've grown a lot in that, in that kind of sphere of pausing, slow down Colleen, because not really good at slowing down. And, you know, kind of dive into what they want and why they want it. So I think that's been good. Michele Hansen 24:02It can be kind of tough as like, I feel like we're both pretty enthusiastic and kind of like, like, have you ever been called bubbly? Colleen Schnettler 24:11Yeah, of course. Michele Hansen 24:11Yeah, I have been called bubbly, too. Yeah. So like, I like feel like enthusiastic people want to be like, yeah, that sounds awesome. Like, it's so, it's so counter,to like how I would interact with someone socially. Colleen Schnettler 24:25Yeah, I agree. So, so anyway, that was something, I was thinking about that when you were talking all about, you know, empathy and sympathy and psychology, is how much these kinds of factors play into product building. Michele Hansen 24:41Yeah and building an intuitive product that, that makes sense to people. Like it's, it's really hard to build something that's intuitive because it requires understanding the user's mental model of how something works, and you can't understand their mental model unless you have, you know, really, you know, poked through every nook and cranny of how they think about it. And also seeing what are the similarities at scale across many different customers. You can't just build it for one particular person, right? Like this, I think this is like, do we want to do we want to do more definitions? Because now I'm excited to get into definitions between Human Centered Design versus activities under design. But if we are, we are feeling good on definition today, then, Colleen Schnettler 25:29I don't know what those are. Yeah, go ahead. Michele Hansen 25:32So like, you probably hear people talk about human-centered design, right? Colleen Schnettler 25:37I mean, no, but okay, I believe you, so not me. Michele Hansen 25:40So like humans, I feel like this kind of came really into it, like, especially in, in tech in the past, like, I don't know, 10,10-15 years, like, you like, think about the human behind it. And like, this is where a lot of like, agile stories come from, is like, as an administrator, I would like to be able to update the billing page, whenever we get a new credit card, like, like, those kinds of stories that if you've worked in the corporate world, you have seen the ads of so and so like, those kind of stories. And like, creating personas, and maybe there's like a picture of a person, and there's their age, and there's like, you know, like, all of those kinds of things that's very, like human-centered designs, and you're designing for people and understanding what those people need. Then there's activity-centered design, which is designing for things that people might be trying to accomplish, but not for specific people, if that makes sense. So it's like, so if you're thinking, I just used an example of like, a billing administrator. The human-centered design approach with a persona might be you know, this is Susan, and she lives in Iowa, she has been working in insurance for 20 years, she has a dog named Charlie, like she prefers to use her iPad on the weekends, but during the week, she uses Windows like, it's like that kind of stuff. Activity-centered design would be like, when billing administrators are going through this process, they want to be able to, you know, these are the different kinds of things they're thinking about, these are the different functions that they need to be able to do. Here are the different things they might be feeling. Like, do they want to be updating a credit card? Like, how does that make them feel, like, is that, is that enjoyable for them? Is that frustrating? Like, are there other people they're working with on this? Do they need to go get a p-card from someone else? Like, what is this entire process they're going through that is independent of them as a specific person and independent of the product? And then how does the product help them get through that entire activity, either easier, faster, or cheaper. I feel like I just dropped like, Colleen Schnettler 27:54There's a lot. Michele Hansen 27:54A lot. Colleen Schnettler 27:55I'm gonna have to re-listen to that one. Michele Hansen 27:56But basically, Colleen Schnettler 27:57So what's the, Michele Hansen 27:58Activity-centered is kind of the approach that I take. And that's the, the approach in the book is designing a process that exists regardless of the person and regardless of the process. Colleen Schnettler 28:10Okay. Michele Hansen 28:10The product, I think I messed that up. Colleen Schnettler 28:13Okay, so which one is better? Do you have all the answers, Michele? Tell us. Michele Hansen 28:18I am not going to throw bombs in the design world here. I mean, you know, there's, there's value in designing for specific people, right, and, and specific types of people, especially when you're talking about accessibility and whatnot. But fundamentally, you know, like, activity center design is okay, what it, what is the thing that someone's trying to accomplish? For example, 500 years ago, you may have solved, you know, entertain me at home, when I'm alone on a Saturday night with cards or dice, right. And now you might solve it with Netflix. But that fundamental process that you're going through to not be bored when you're in your house on the weekend, like, that process and that desire is relatively constant, which is the thing about activity-centered design approaches is that you're looking at a process that is consistent over time, because you're speaking to sort of broader, underlying goals. And this types of products, someone might use the different functional and social and emotional things that might be important to them are different, but the overall process is the same. And so this is what I think about a lot when we're like thinking about the process that someone is going through and designing something that's intuitive for them and building that mental model is understanding, okay, why do they need to be able to tag things and why do they need to be able to mass delete these things, and what is this overall thing they're trying to do? And it sounds like it's sort of, to feel like all of their files are organized and they can find things when they want to, and that desire to be organized is a relatively consistent desire. Colleen Schnettler 30:03Yeah, I think one of the things, one of the phrases we use at work is to surprise and delight the user. And I feel like this falls into the surprise and delight category. Like it's not necessary, but it's delightful. Michele Hansen 30:19You just used the phrase ‘at work'. Does that mean when you are working? Or? Colleen Schnettler 30:26Oh, just when I'm, just this company that I've been contracting for for a while likes to use that phrase. Michele Hansen 30:31Okay, gotcha. Colleen Schnettler 30:32So this to me feels, Michele Hansen 30:34I didn't know if you'd suddenly gone off and gotten a full time job without telling me. Colleen Schnettler 30:39Well, I'll tell you if I do that. I may be considering that. That's like a whole ‘nother podcast episode. I feel like we don't have enough time to dive into that. Michele Hansen 30:50We'll do that in a future episode. Colleen Schnettler 30:52Colleen's life decisions. But yeah, so, this feature, I feel like, is delightful. And when we talk about like design, you know, in the context, you were just saying, I think it does fit into the, the latter category. Michele Hansen 31:10Yeah. And I can, I can understand how someone, or you might even, or probably, I feel like if we had talked about this, like, six months or a year ago, the reaction kind of would be like, this feels like we're really splitting hairs over something that's super obvious, and why don't I just go build it? Colleen Schnettler 31:29Well, yeah, Michele Hansen 31:30Which, I think it's a very understandable reaction. Colleen Schnettler 31:34Yeah, I mean, I think the problem I'm having, and I know everyone in my position has this problem. It's just, there's just not enough time to do all these things. Like, one part of me wants to take like six months and just do all the things, right? And then the other part of me wants to balance my life with building this business, and is trying to be patient with, with my constraints as a human. So I know, you know, everyone has those, that struggle, everyone who's working and trying to do this. But yeah, I'd love to add all these things. Like, I want to do all the things of course I do. Michele Hansen 32:10Speaking of which, building the business, we started this episode with my numbers update. Do you want to give us a little numbers update before we go? Colleen Schnettler 32:31So I do want to tell a little story about this. Storytime. So, someone who's kind of a prominent bootstrapper had a tweet the other day about how for his SaaS, he just implemented file uploading using some JavaScript library, and it took him like, I don't know, like a day. So not an insignificant amount of time, but not a huge amount of time. It's a long time if you're a developer to take all day. But I saw, so, like, I saw his tweet, and I was like, oh, like, why didn't he use Simple File Upload? Like, clearly my product is crap. Okay, so this happened at like 9am. So then, like, later in the day, this just happened a couple days ago, I went to see if I had any new signups. And as you know, like, I've been pretty flat for like two or three weeks now, signups have been pretty flat. So, in one day, I got $325 boost in my MRR. One day. Michele Hansen 33:19What? Colleen Schnettler 33:20That has never happened in the history of my product, like ever. I was like, whoa. Michele Hansen 33:25So did someone Tweet it, like, add it to that thread, or, like what happened? Colleen Schnettler 33:29No, no one added it to the thread. And I didn't add it to the thread because he was clearly looking for a non-paid solution. So it seems like it wasn't that he hated my product or it was bad, he just wasn't looking for this kind of solution I was offering. I don't really know what happened. But a whole bunch of people signed up. Michele Hansen 33:50These two things happened on the same day, and you don't have any conclusively linking them, but it feels suspicious that they wouldn't be linked. Colleen Schnettler 34:00It's super weird, right? Michele Hansen 34:01Yeah. Colleen Schnettler 34:02Um, so I am trying to like, I'm just really starting to try and get into, like, Google Analytics and understand that. Anyway, so that was, my point of that story is like, you know, this is, we're never bored. I'm never bored, right? Like one day, I'm like, this thing is miserable. The next day, I'm like, I'm the most brilliant person in the world. Like, it's never, it's never boring. I guess my point of that story was it's all over the place. I'm all over the place with, with this product. And some days I feel like it's just not, not as good as it should be. Some days I feel like I'm charging too much. And then other days I have, like I realized I have, there's all this power in this thing I built that no one is utilizing. So that's something I really want to spend some time getting some content going out there and spend some time, like, showing people why it's more powerful than, than, you know, other solutions they've been using. Michele Hansen 34:58You seem really fired up. Colleen Schnettler 35:00I am. I, I've just had like, a, it's been, like, a really good week. I mean, from a work perspective. And although I didn't get to spend the time, you know, I got, okay. I don't have a lot of time to spend on the product the next month or so, so I'm just taking it in little bits, right. And so this week, it's a tiny thing, but someone pointed out to me, and I think this also plays into psychology. Okay, so my marketing site is built in Tailwind UI. My application site is built off of Bootstrap. Bootstrap and Tailwind are not friends. I can't just throw Tailwind into my Bootstrap site. Michele Hansen 35:37If it makes you feel better, the Geocodio dashboard was on Bootstrap, and the Geocodio marketing website was on Railwind for, like, a really long time, like, like, you, like, we were on the like, 2013 version of Bootstrap for, like, a very long time. And it wasn't until like maybe six months or a year ago that we actually got them both on Tailwind. So you're not the only one. Okay, so back to yours. Colleen Schnettler 36:06So this. Okay, so if you are on my marketing site, and you click through to sign up to get the free trial, here's the thing that happens. The nav bars are different. Michele Hansen 36:17Mmm. Colleen Schnettler 36:18Yeah, it's not good, and someone pointed it out to me. They were like, oh, I had to click back and forth a few times to make sure it was still the same application. And I was like, oh, my goodness. And so I can't, but it was like, it was, so it's just this visual thing. But this he pointed out, he was like, you know, that's, that made me think I was at the wrong place, it might make me close the window. Michele Hansen 36:40Yeah it might make them think something was wrong, or, like, they accidentally got led off to another site that wasn't the right one. And like, maybe it's, like, phishing or something, like. Colleen Schnettler 36:50Exactly, that's exactly what this guy said. And I was like, oh, my gosh. And so, so my, my Simple File Upload technical accomplishment this week, was basically like, and because I can't, my application is pretty complicated. I can't just pull out Bootstrap and drop in Tailwind. That's gonna take me forever. So I actually, like, just stole, stole is the wrong word. I grabbed some of the Tailwind styles and just over, you know, and overrode my Bootstrap styles just for the navbar. So anyway, the point is, now the nav bars look the same. And it's like, it sounds like a small thing. But like, I think the mental block for, if you sign up and I drop you to a totally different site, you're like, wait, what? Michele Hansen 37:29Like, yeah, it's like, something is, like, the brain is a little bit like, danger, something is different. Colleen Schnettler 37:34Yeah, exactly. So, so another, so it was another big CSS week for me, which is not my forte, but I got it. Michele Hansen 37:41I wrote JavaScript this week, which is not my forte. Colleen Schnettler 37:46Oh, jack of all trades. Michele Hansen 37:48Well, we wrote stuff that, that's not our forte, and you're going back and forth between feeling like it's amazing and you've built something super powerful. And then, also feeling like it's, really has a long way to go, and is it ever going to get there, which, honestly, is how I feel, like, I feel the exact same way about my book. Like, every day, it's like, oh, my God, this is a hot mess. And then I'm like, actually, this is amazing and I should just publish it now. Like, I think that's, I think that's just like part of building something, whether it's a book or you know, software. I mean, yeah. Colleen Schnettler 38:31And honestly, I think it's part of the fun. Like, I honestly do, like I, it makes it interesting. Like, I've worked jobs that are really boring, and they're really boring. Like, this is way more exciting.Michele Hansen 38:52I think that's the thing I love about being an entrepreneur is that it's always different. And sometimes it's different in ways that are super boring and require a lot of paperwork. And sometimes it's different in ways that are like, super awesome, and exciting. But the fact that it is so different all the time is, is what makes it fun and makes me feel like I get to, like, feel lucky that I get to do this as my job. On that note, perhaps we should sign off for this week. Thank you so much for listening. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review on iTunes or tweet at us. We love hearing what you think about it. Have a good one.
文稿下载 加 公众号 “高效英语磨耳朵”词汇提示1.took turns 轮流2.tunnel 隧道3.shore 岸5.load this truck 装车10.bowed 弯腰14.caught 赶车15.steep 陡18.loaded22.jogged 碰撞25.lame 跛足28.aircraft，fuel 加油30.Rolls Poyles 劳斯莱斯35.fell off 跌落37.horn 喇叭、号角38.is knock down 被撞倒39.crow in 挤进40.hire 租41.flew，jet42.dived 潜、俯冲，steeply44.flew down45.thrill48.bombing along49.bound for 开往53.at a tremendous rate54.anchored 抛锚，shore 55.listed 倾斜56.swaying 摇晃57.boat58.a stiff breeze 强风，bag out 鼓起60.toughed the ground 搁浅61.farther62.smooth stride 平稳的脚步65.circuit 环形提示一、每一个句子都播放2遍美式发音和2遍英式发音。二、同时听不同口音的好处是更加贴近真实的英文环境，高效提升你英语听力的敏锐度。三、自己觉得比较陌生的句子，要反复听。四、一定要坚持！加油！1We took turns to drive the car.我们轮流开车。2The train went through a tunnel.这列火车穿过一条隧道。3They walked down to the shore.他们往下走到了岸边。4There is an underground car park.这里有一个地下停车场。5It is time to load this truck.该装车了。6well，I have to go- my ride is here.好了，我该走了，让我搭车的人来了。7I love travelling on train.我喜欢乘火车旅行。8Can you help me get my car going?你能帮我把车发起来吗？9How long is the flight？这次航班飞多久？10He was bowed into a taxi.他被点头哈腰地送上出租车。11I missed the bus and had to walk home.我没赶上公共汽车，只好走回家。12You nearly got hit by that car！你差点被车撞了！13We went there by coach.我们是坐长途汽车去那里的。14He caught the slow train to Birmingham.他赶上去伯明翰的慢车。15That hill's far too steep to cycle up.那个坡太陡了，自行车根本骑不上去。16The car ran clear off the road.车子完全驶离了道路。17I followed him for some distance.我跟着他走了一段路程。18The cargo was loaded onto another ship.我跟着他走了一段路程。19The bus went past without stopping.公交车经过的时候没有停。20Shall we walk or take a cab？我们步行还是坐计程车？21We took a taxi to save time.我们坐了辆出租车以节省时间。22The truck jogged up and down.那辆卡车颠簸行进。23The country road rides hard.乡村路上车不好骑。24The train was 40 minutes late.火车晚点了40分钟。25His lame is the result of an accident.他的跛足是一次车祸的结果。26Our car had a flat tire.我们那辆汽车有一只轮胎漏了气。27They rode up the hill in a jeep.他们坐了一辆吉普车往山上开去。28All aircraft must fuel before flight.所有飞机飞行前都必须加油。29She drove by in her new car.她开着新车驶过。30Rolls Royces are very expensive.劳斯莱斯汽车价格昂贵。31Don't drink and drive.别喝了酒开车。32I lost my train by three minutes.我迟了3分钟，没赶上火车。33The parking area is for members only.停车设施仅供会员使用。34She was driving at 30 miles an hour.她以每小时30英里的速度驱车前行。35He fell off his bike.他从自行车上摔了下来。36The train arrived dead on time.火车准点到达。37A motor horn sounded.有辆车鸣喇叭了。38The man is knock down by the bicycle.这个男人被自行车撞到了。39They had managed to crowd into a train.他们勉强挤上了一列火车。40 This car is for hire.这辆车是供租用的。41We flew to New York by jet.我们乘喷气式飞机到了纽约。42The aircraft dived steeply.那架飞机垂直俯冲下来。43The plane was shot down in error.飞机被错误地击落了。44He flew down the road in a car.他开着汽车沿那条路飞驰而去。45I get a real thrill from speed.飞速驾车会让我兴奋不已。46He flew from London to Paris.他从伦敦飞往了巴黎。47The planes flew through the clouds.飞机穿越云层。48He was bombing along on his motorbike.他正骑着摩托车飞驰。49I boarded the plane bound for Boston.我登上了飞往波士顿的航班。50We drove along the dusty road.我们在尘土飞扬的路上行驶。51His plane lands at six-thirty.他的飞机六点半着陆。52I don't travel much by air.我不常坐飞机。53The taxi was going at a tremendous rate.出租车飞速奔驰。54The ship anchored along the shore.这艘船在岸边停泊。55The ship listed badly.船侧倾得很厉害。56The ship was swaying from side to side.船在左右摇晃。57I took part in the boat races.我参加赛船。58A stiff breeze made the sails bag out.一股劲风吹得船帆鼓了出来。59My father met me off the boat.我父亲接我下船。60Their ship touched the ground.他们的船搁浅了。61He was too tired to go any farther.他太累了，一定也走不动了。62He walked with a long，smooth stride.他走路时步子很大、很稳。63They walked around the town.他们在城里到处走动。64He arose and walked to the window.他站起来，向窗户走去。65She made a slow circuit of the room.她绕着房间慢慢走了一圈。
文稿下载 加 公众号 “高效英语磨耳朵”词汇提示1.took turns 轮流2.tunnel 隧道3.shore 岸5.load this truck 装车10.bowed 弯腰14.caught 赶车15.steep 陡18.loaded22.jogged 碰撞25.lame 跛足28.aircraft，fuel 加油30.Rolls Poyles 劳斯莱斯35.fell off 跌落37.horn 喇叭、号角38.is knock down 被撞倒39.crow in 挤进40.hire 租41.flew，jet42.dived 潜、俯冲，steeply44.flew down45.thrill48.bombing along49.bound for 开往53.at a tremendous rate54.anchored 抛锚，shore 55.listed 倾斜56.swaying 摇晃57.boat58.a stiff breeze 强风，bag out 鼓起60.toughed the ground 搁浅61.farther62.smooth stride 平稳的脚步65.circuit 环形提示一、每一个句子都播放2遍美式发音和2遍英式发音。二、同时听不同口音的好处是更加贴近真实的英文环境，高效提升你英语听力的敏锐度。三、自己觉得比较陌生的句子，要反复听。四、一定要坚持！加油！1We took turns to drive the car.我们轮流开车。2The train went through a tunnel.这列火车穿过一条隧道。3They walked down to the shore.他们往下走到了岸边。4There is an underground car park.这里有一个地下停车场。5It is time to load this truck.该装车了。6well，I have to go- my ride is here.好了，我该走了，让我搭车的人来了。7I love travelling on train.我喜欢乘火车旅行。8Can you help me get my car going?你能帮我把车发起来吗？9How long is the flight？这次航班飞多久？10He was bowed into a taxi.他被点头哈腰地送上出租车。11I missed the bus and had to walk home.我没赶上公共汽车，只好走回家。12You nearly got hit by that car！你差点被车撞了！13We went there by coach.我们是坐长途汽车去那里的。14He caught the slow train to Birmingham.他赶上去伯明翰的慢车。15That hill's far too steep to cycle up.那个坡太陡了，自行车根本骑不上去。16The car ran clear off the road.车子完全驶离了道路。17I followed him for some distance.我跟着他走了一段路程。18The cargo was loaded onto another ship.货物被撞倒了另外一条船上。19The bus went past without stopping.公交车经过的时候没有停。20Shall we walk or take a cab？我们步行还是坐计程车？21We took a taxi to save time.我们坐了辆出租车以节省时间。22The truck jogged up and down.那辆卡车颠簸行进。23The country road rides hard.乡村路上车不好骑。24The train was 40 minutes late.火车晚点了40分钟。25His lame is the result of an accident.他的跛足是一次车祸的结果。26Our car had a flat tire.我们那辆汽车有一只轮胎漏了气。27They rode up the hill in a jeep.他们坐了一辆吉普车往山上开去。28All aircraft must fuel before flight.所有飞机飞行前都必须加油。29She drove by in her new car.她开着新车驶过。30Rolls Royces are very expensive.劳斯莱斯汽车价格昂贵。31Don't drink and drive.别喝了酒开车。32I lost my train by three minutes.我迟了3分钟，没赶上火车。33The parking area is for members only.停车设施仅供会员使用。34She was driving at 30 miles an hour.她以每小时30英里的速度驱车前行。35He fell off his bike.他从自行车上摔了下来。36The train arrived dead on time.火车准点到达。37A motor horn sounded.有辆车鸣喇叭了。38The man is knock down by the bicycle.这个男人被自行车撞到了。39They had managed to crowd into a train.他们勉强挤上了一列火车。40 This car is for hire.这辆车是供租用的。41We flew to New York by jet.我们乘喷气式飞机到了纽约。42The aircraft dived steeply.那架飞机垂直俯冲下来。43The plane was shot down in error.飞机被错误地击落了。44He flew down the road in a car.他开着汽车沿那条路飞驰而去。45I get a real thrill from speed.飞速驾车会让我兴奋不已。46He flew from London to Paris.他从伦敦飞往了巴黎。47The planes flew through the clouds.飞机穿越云层。48He was bombing along on his motorbike.他正骑着摩托车飞驰。49I boarded the plane bound for Boston.我登上了飞往波士顿的航班。50We drove along the dusty road.我们在尘土飞扬的路上行驶。51His plane lands at six-thirty.他的飞机六点半着陆。52I don't travel much by air.我不常坐飞机。53The taxi was going at a tremendous rate.出租车飞速奔驰。54The ship anchored along the shore.这艘船在岸边停泊。55The ship listed badly.船侧倾得很厉害。56The ship was swaying from side to side.船在左右摇晃。57I took part in the boat races.我参加赛船。58A stiff breeze made the sails bag out.一股劲风吹得船帆鼓了出来。59My father met me off the boat.我父亲接我下船。60Their ship touched the ground.他们的船搁浅了。61He was too tired to go any farther.他太累了，一定也走不动了。62He walked with a long，smooth stride.他走路时步子很大、很稳。63They walked around the town.他们在城里到处走动。64He arose and walked to the window.他站起来，向窗户走去。65She made a slow circuit of the room.她绕着房间慢慢走了一圈。
文稿下载 加 公众号 “高效英语磨耳朵”词汇提示1.took turns 轮流2.tunnel 隧道3.shore 岸5.load this truck 装车10.bowed 弯腰14.caught 赶车15.steep 陡18.loaded22.jogged 碰撞25.lame 跛足28.aircraft，fuel 加油30.Rolls Poyles 劳斯莱斯35.fell off 跌落37.horn 喇叭、号角38.is knock down 被撞倒39.crow in 挤进40.hire 租41.flew，jet42.dived 潜、俯冲，steeply44.flew down45.thrill48.bombing along49.bound for 开往53.at a tremendous rate54.anchored 抛锚，shore 55.listed 倾斜56.swaying 摇晃57.boat58.a stiff breeze 强风，bag out 鼓起60.toughed the ground 搁浅61.farther62.smooth stride 平稳的脚步65.circuit 环形提示一、每一个句子都播放2遍美式发音和2遍英式发音。二、同时听不同口音的好处是更加贴近真实的英文环境，高效提升你英语听力的敏锐度。三、自己觉得比较陌生的句子，要反复听。四、一定要坚持！加油！1We took turns to drive the car.我们轮流开车。2The train went through a tunnel.这列火车穿过一条隧道。3They walked down to the shore.他们往下走到了岸边。4There is an underground car park.这里有一个地下停车场。5It is time to load this truck.该装车了。6well，I have to go- my ride is here.好了，我该走了，让我搭车的人来了。7I love travelling on train.我喜欢乘火车旅行。8Can you help me get my car going?你能帮我把车发起来吗？9How long is the flight？这次航班飞多久？10He was bowed into a taxi.他被点头哈腰地送上出租车。11I missed the bus and had to walk home.我没赶上公共汽车，只好走回家。12You nearly got hit by that car！你差点被车撞了！13We went there by coach.我们是坐长途汽车去那里的。14He caught the slow train to Birmingham.他赶上去伯明翰的慢车。15That hill's far too steep to cycle up.那个坡太陡了，自行车根本骑不上去。16The car ran clear off the road.车子完全驶离了道路。17I followed him for some distance.我跟着他走了一段路程。18The cargo was loaded onto another ship.货物被撞倒了另外一条船上。19The bus went past without stopping.公交车经过的时候没有停。20Shall we walk or take a cab？我们步行还是坐计程车？21We took a taxi to save time.我们坐了辆出租车以节省时间。22The truck jogged up and down.那辆卡车颠簸行进。23The country road rides hard.乡村路上车不好骑。24The train was 40 minutes late.火车晚点了40分钟。25His lame is the result of an accident.他的跛足是一次车祸的结果。26Our car had a flat tire.我们那辆汽车有一只轮胎漏了气。27They rode up the hill in a jeep.他们坐了一辆吉普车往山上开去。28All aircraft must fuel before flight.所有飞机飞行前都必须加油。29She drove by in her new car.她开着新车驶过。30Rolls Royces are very expensive.劳斯莱斯汽车价格昂贵。31Don't drink and drive.别喝了酒开车。32I lost my train by three minutes.我迟了3分钟，没赶上火车。33The parking area is for members only.停车设施仅供会员使用。34She was driving at 30 miles an hour.她以每小时30英里的速度驱车前行。35He fell off his bike.他从自行车上摔了下来。36The train arrived dead on time.火车准点到达。37A motor horn sounded.有辆车鸣喇叭了。38The man is knock down by the bicycle.这个男人被自行车撞到了。39They had managed to crowd into a train.他们勉强挤上了一列火车。40 This car is for hire.这辆车是供租用的。41We flew to New York by jet.我们乘喷气式飞机到了纽约。42The aircraft dived steeply.那架飞机垂直俯冲下来。43The plane was shot down in error.飞机被错误地击落了。44He flew down the road in a car.他开着汽车沿那条路飞驰而去。45I get a real thrill from speed.飞速驾车会让我兴奋不已。46He flew from London to Paris.他从伦敦飞往了巴黎。47The planes flew through the clouds.飞机穿越云层。48He was bombing along on his motorbike.他正骑着摩托车飞驰。49I boarded the plane bound for Boston.我登上了飞往波士顿的航班。50We drove along the dusty road.我们在尘土飞扬的路上行驶。51His plane lands at six-thirty.他的飞机六点半着陆。52I don't travel much by air.我不常坐飞机。53The taxi was going at a tremendous rate.出租车飞速奔驰。54The ship anchored along the shore.这艘船在岸边停泊。55The ship listed badly.船侧倾得很厉害。56The ship was swaying from side to side.船在左右摇晃。57I took part in the boat races.我参加赛船。58A stiff breeze made the sails bag out.一股劲风吹得船帆鼓了出来。59My father met me off the boat.我父亲接我下船。60Their ship touched the ground.他们的船搁浅了。61He was too tired to go any farther.他太累了，一定也走不动了。62He walked with a long，smooth stride.他走路时步子很大、很稳。63They walked around the town.他们在城里到处走动。64He arose and walked to the window.他站起来，向窗户走去。65She made a slow circuit of the room.她绕着房间慢慢走了一圈。
In deze aflevering: hebben Mark en Matthijs een eerlijk en persoonlijk gesprek met Joann over problemen die transmensen ervaren in het dagelijks leven. Waarom willen transpersonen vaak niet hem of haar worden genoemd? Waarom moeten er tansmensen in televisieseries komen? Je gaat een hoop leren door naar deze aflevering te luisteren. Wij zijn er in ieder geval een stuk wijzer van geworden!02:38 Vrije ronde:Matthijs heeft een spelletje voorbereid. Al is het serieuzer dan het klinkt. Het spel draait om het inzetten van geld op verschillende aanpakken van de Aids-epidemie. In welk programma wordt jouw Euro het best besteed? Joann en Mark hebben de keuze uit vier opties en ze leggen uit waarom ze voor een bepaalde optie kiezen. Matthijs geeft uiteindelijk het goede antwoord.Mark heeft een naam gevonden voor het probleem dat intollerantie tolereren averechts werkt en nog meer introllerantie creëert. Volg je het nog?! Het heet 'de paradox van tolerantie'.Joann heeft een transgerelateerd nieuwtje. De Matrix is namelijk een transallegorie en Joann legt ons haarfijn uit hoe dat zit.24:50We beginnen niet al te luchtig. Waarom is het zo dat veel transmensen in de sexindustrie belanden? Daarna wordt het wat luchtiger. Hoe shoppen transmensen bijvoorbeeld hun kleding? Wij hebben wat tips! En waarom zijn ze zo geobsedeerd met genderneutrale toiletten? Dit blijkt o zo logisch! Al dit soort worstelingen komen terug in deze aflevering. Ook mede dankzij wat vragen die de leerlingen van Mark voor Joann hadden.-Elke week uploaden wij een aflevering. De ene week een aflevering van ongeveer een uur. Daarin duiken we dieper in op een onderwerp, soms met z'n tweeën, soms met een gast. De andere week uploadt Mark of Matthijs iets dat wij noemen "Inspiratie voor Onderweg". Een korte overdenking die ons en jou helpt om na te denken over de koers die wij uitzetten in onze levens.Wij zijn in een Godvergeten Wereld; een podcast over geloof, twijfel, ongeloof, actualiteit en de samenleving. Wij banen ons een weg door de Godvergeten Wereld op zoek naar sprankjes van hoop, maar zijn ongenadig voor dingen die ons tot wanhoop drijven.Links:Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0syNPZ9eAQPXnayHWhYwfWiTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/nl/podcast/in-een-godvergeten-wereld/id1482509986RSS Feed: https://feed.podbean.com/godvergetenwereld/feed.xmlYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCilZd08snLIdwGJidNJnNKQ?Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/godvergetenwereld/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/godvergetenwereld/E-mail: godvergetenwereld@gmail.comCredits: Intro/Outro muziek: https://soundcloud.com/maestro-garytroyBedankt voor het luisteren!TAGS:gay, queer, lhbt, geloof, twijfel, ongeloof, actualiteit, samenleving, zingeving, spiritualiteit, christendom, deconstructie, reconstructie, zoeken, god, jezus, bijbel, wetenschap, unscripted, in een godvergeten wereld, podcast, er is ook ruimte voor buddha en andere interessante wezens, godvergeten, wereld, godsdienst, religie#gay #queer #lhbt #geloof #twijfel #ongeloof #actualiteit #samenleving #zingeving #spiritualiteit #christendom #deconstructie #reconstructie #zoeken #god #jezus #bijbel #wetenschap #unscripted #in #een #godvergeten #wereld #podcast #er #is #ook #ruimte #voor #buddha #en #andere #interessante #wezens #godsdienst #religie
On Episode 27, our main segment looks at the Last Minute Gifts for the Holiday’s. We are excited to have our two core segments [Protect Yourself Today] The FireEye Leak is wreaking havoc over the US. Microsoft Finds Backdoor; CISA Warns of New Attack Vectors, with insider trading [Top Stories in Five Minutes] Tech giants Oracle, HPE and Tesla leaving for Texas, plus win great prizes at www.TechtimeRadio.com“Welcome to TechTime Radio with Nathan Mumm, the show that makes you go "Hummmm" Technology news of the week for December 19th - 25th 2020. --- [Top News in 5 Minutes]: Starts at 5:28Tech giant Oracle announced this week it is moving its headquarters from Silicon Valley to Austin, Texas along with HPE and Tesla https://tinyurl.com/y6q6bbn5 Facebook, and Apple Lock Horns Over New Draft Guidelines By European Union https://tinyurl.com/ycy6y8sw --- [Protect Yourself Today]: Starts at 17:52FireEye Leak is wreaking havoc over the US. Microsoft Finds Backdoor; CISA Warns of New Attack Vectors https://tinyurl.com/y8lob5lu --- [Technology Insider]: Starts at 32:50We take a look at the Top Technology Items for the Holiday’s (part 5 of 5) regarding Last Minute Gift IdeasMurray's Cheeses https://www.murrayscheese.comClassic Cheese of the MonthVirtual Private Classes & EventsAll the Cheese and Meat you ever wantedSharper Image - www.sharperimage.comDigital BBQ Fork - How can you be sure your beef, poultry or fish is thoroughly cooked? Check it with the handy Digital BBQ Fork. It reads internal temperatures accurately in seconds.Surround Sound Shower System (Set of 2) 99.00World's First At-Home Professional LED Lip Therapy Device - $119 The World’s First At-Home Professional LED Lip Therapy Device uses powerful LED lights to reduce and prevent wrinkles and creases in the perioral (lip) region. Features 56 powerful LEDs to stimulate the production of collagen for plumper, more youthful lips. Use it just 3 minutes a day. FDA cleared, safe and natural, with no side effects.Bizarre Gift Ultimate Fat Freezer - Price:$129.99The Ultimate Fat Freezer is a non-invasive system that sculpts your body by destroying and dissolving fat cells. Simply apply the Ultimate Fat Freezer over your problem areas (thigh, waist, back or bottom) and select a 30- or 60-minute session. The cooling process decreases fat cell temperature to naturally eliminate them from the body. For men and women.Gift Cards the way to say you did not plan very well and here is some cashCrypto Currency --- [What I found on the Web]: Starts at 42:41Scientific research to improve life aboard the International Space Station ISS has led to countless developments in space technology now a filter process that is used to filter Astronauts urine might save the world.Now a company that designed a water-purification system for the ISS is developing spin-off technologies with the potential to provide clean drinking water in the places that need it most. https://tinyurl.com/ycvxvcr7--- [Mike's Mesmerizing Moment]: Starts at 50:40Mike explains the thought patterns of the brain for people that are trying to commit insider trading.--- [Pick of the Day]: starts at 53:10Kings county Distillery Peated Bourbon Whiskey• $69.00 | 90 proof • Nathan - Thumbs Down• Mike - Thumbs Down
Announcer 0:01Welcome to CareerXroads Uncorked a series of member chats inspired by good drinks and current talent acquisition trends your hosts Chris Hoyt and Gerry Crispin breakdown today's recruiting headlines while reviewing a selected beverage of choice with industry leaders and influencers join us for a drink and conversation. Curtis Dorsey, Elanco 0:22Social media as such, Facebook says we just want to remind me to remind you of things that you were doing this time last year and it's like yeah, wonderful in the in the COVID era you're sending me pictures of when we were out and Sonoma Chris Hoyt 0:35Thanks for rubbing it in that I'm not out at the vineyards thanks for rubbing it in that I'm not in London or Paris or Japan. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Curtis Dorsey, Elanco 0:44Yeah, and to add insult to injury This is my wife and I was five year wedding anniversary, which also got got bashed a bit by by COVID Gerry Crispin 0:53Bummer Curtis Dorsey, Elanco 0:54We're on the right run a rain rain check. Chris Hoyt 0:57Oh man, Gerry Crispin 0:57Sorry I am a little bit late. I just thought I would join you by telling you I've got Walt Chris Hoyt 1:04Awesome awesome. I couldn't get Walt Gerry Crispin 1:08And you got right could not get Rex. Is that gonna Walt too? Curtis Dorsey, Elanco 1:13Yeah, no, I got you. Yeah, I got Walt, I got Walt Chris Hoyt 1:16I do not I am the outlier today. I could have ironically I am near Sonoma could not get Walt. But I have abear Gary Farrell which is a Sonoma County. Pino 2017. Well ranked. So now I'm pouring it. We waited for you. Gerry doesn't even wait look at him Gerry Crispin 1:36I, I was on talent net. And I had to manage a conversation about I don't know some bullshit. And but it was good. It was a good conversation. And then I said, You know, I gotta leave. And I had already opened the bottle. Chris Hoyt 1:52Well, let me can I want to call this out before we did a little toast. Oh, so hold your glass up. Look at your glass. These are called COVID pours? Curtis Dorsey, Elanco 2:01Yes. Chris Hoyt 2:04We never poured wine this heavy when we were before COVID. Curtis Dorsey, Elanco 2:08Some of us may have? Gerry Crispin 2:10Yeah, well, maybe. Maybe. Chris Hoyt 2:13I'm very concerned Curtis Dorsey, Elanco 2:14I do think that it's grown. Chris Hoyt 2:16Yeah, sure. We get back to the bars. And some we're gonna order a drink and it's gonna come out. It's gonna be a tiny little what we're used to. It's gonna be like, we'll have to order triples in order to get.. Curtis Dorsey, Elanco 2:25No it'll probably be quadruples because they'll be they'll be trying to make make up for lost time. So therefore, it will be smaller than they would have been. Chris Hoyt 2:33All I 'm sayin is save me a trip. I'm just filling up and save me a trip. Well, Cheers, guys. Cheers. Gerry Crispin 2:39Cheers to you. How are you Walt? Well, I mean, not Walt Chris Hoyt 2:45Like a bottle. Gerry. Admit it. Gerry Crispin 2:46I know. I know. Curtis Dorsey, Elanco 2:47Yeah. Gerry Crispin 2:49How's Elanco doing? Curtis Dorsey, Elanco 2:50We're doing we're doing well. We're doing we're doing busy, which is normal for us. We've had a busy busy busy several years. But but we're doing well. Gerry Crispin 3:00Who do we see? Who do we see earlier this week for briefly? Oh, Shannon and I had a meet a we obviously we do two or three meetings a week. At least. We have one on critical. And Tom referenced you? Curtis Dorsey, Elanco 3:16Yep. my campus is there. Gerry Crispin 3:17And we had a nice conversation about universal relations and some of the issues that we see our members doing in 2021. And I think he was appreciative of it. So is it was useful? Curtis Dorsey, Elanco 3:31Yeah. Yeah. Now we are we are we are definitely, you know, having come off of an IPO then lots of work day, then, you know, major acquisition, you know,
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Content Warning for body horror from 25:50-28:50We're back, and better than ever! After a momentary dip into a tabletop RPG, we're back to making jokes and- hey, stop that! What are you- give me back the descript- THE THING ABOUT STAR WARS IS THAT THEY- hey, you stop that! We gotta do a description here! We gotta- STAR WARS JUST DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THE PERSONHOOD OF BEINGS LIKE CLONES AND DROIDS- no, listen, I get that, but we have to tell the people that this week, Brianna and Clair are craving a quiet fan, fake sports, safe tattoos and- AND STAR WARS: THE CLONE WARS! BECAUSE IT'S THE CLOSEST STAR WARS GETS TO CRITICIZING ITSELF- buddy! You forgot about the fan submitted craving for a smooth brain! -AGGGH STAR WARS- okay, I think you need to chill out. Maybe you'll feel better if you go play some...Fortball, It's Real Sportball!Star Wars BorcsStar Wars article mentioned in episodeWanna throw us a few bucks? Check out our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/saltcravingsAlternatively, support black trans people hereIntro and Outro Music by Clark PowellSubmit your cravings at: submissions@saltcravings.comEmail: contact@saltcravings.comSocial Media: Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube
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Acts 7:44-50We continue our look at Stephen's sermon. This time, we notice the theme surrounding the temple and the holy place. God met man in many places. The Jerusalem temple was not special because it was the Jerusalem temple. Rather, it was because of God. The Jews needed to quit focusing on the holy place but on the God who made the place holy.Let us know what you are learning or what questions you have about the text. Send us an email at TextTalk@ChristiansMeetHere.org.Read the written devo that goes along with this podcast episode by clicking here.We'd love to worship God with you. Whenever your in the Tampa Bay area, be a guest among the Christians who meet on Livingston Avenue. Find out more by clicking here.Join the Text Talk Facebook community and join the conversation by clicking here.Michael Eldridge wrote and sang all four parts of our theme song. Find more from him by clicking here.Thanks for talking about the text with us today.
Go shawty!It’s your birthday!We gonna party like it’s your birthday!We’re gonna sip soy sauce beer like it’s your birthday!It’s a TOAST to Force Toast! Hosts Alyce and Laura are celebrating* the 1-year Anniversary of Force Toast’s launch in true Toasted style: by listening/reading your messages while drinking an absolutely disgusting beer that they won at Star Wars trivia.Among all of the happy wishes sprinkled throughout, we dive into what’s in the news, recap Fallen Order and Resistance and bring back our trivia segment!George Lucas is not coming back to Star Wars. Y’all didn’t seriously believe that, did you?An update on the Star War that’s sure to drain your savings account: the forthcoming Star Wars hotelSilver fox of Ren and no blondes allowed in the preview of The Rise of Kylo Ren #3 comicVanity Fair and ILM reveal the visual effects magic behind The Rise of Skywalker Recap On Tap!Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order - Avoid SPOILERS 1:02:40- 1:19:40Star Wars Resistance series finale - Avoid SPOILERS for The Escape 1:22:45 - 1:43:50We weigh in about EK Johnston’s take on the Anidala “break up”Thank you to everyone who emailed, voice-mailed or sent smoke signals to celebrate Force Toast’s birthday!Rik - save us a seat at the bar!Rural Farm Boy - see you on the radio!King Tom - we’re raise a glass of kool-aid to you, your majestyMaria - thank you for being our imaginary/internet/IRL friendThe Sith List - how DARE you say “sh-t” on our podcast??!!The return of THE TRIVS! Just a little warm upHelpful links referenced in this episode:The Nerdist’s article on the Star Wars hotelPolygon.com’s article on the upcoming Poe YA novel and author interviewVisual Effects reel for TROS via Vanity FairListener Joey is going to Galaxy’s Edge soon, courtesy of the Make a Wish Foundation! If you’re feeling generous, share your generosity at wish.org! Twitter: @forcetoastpod | @sLeiaAllDay | @ShutUp_LauraInstagram: @forcetoastpodEmail: forcetoastpod@gmail.comWebsite: forcetoastpod.com*This podcast contains a sh!t ton of profanity and boozin. You can find a bleeped version of this podcast absolutely nowhere. Cheers!
In this episode I sit down with Harvie Gray, who is originally from the Philippines but has made his way to San Diego for school. Harvie is studying hospitality and is not yet out to his parents. We had a more lighthearted and humorous conversation, however Harvie does get serious about the difficulties growing up in a country that isn't accepting of homosexuality.Time Stamps:Growing Up in the Philippines- 5:55The Idea of Existing in a Bubble- 11:55Gay Representation in the Philippines- 15:30Advice to people in other countries- 19:10Getting out of your "bubble"- 21:50We hope you enjoy the episode and don't forget to leave a review to help us out!Visit us https://thealphabetmafia.com/If you are struggling and need urgent help, please call The Trevor Project 1-866-488-7386 or visit https://www.thetrevorproject.org/Interested in being a guest on the podcast or featured on our blog? If you live in California write us an email including a brief description (name, orientation, where you were raised/currently live, occupation) and put "Prospective Podcast Guest" in the subject line atpodcast@thealphabetmafia.com
Time isn’t just lived in the brain; it’s stamped into the very cells of our being. With insights from neuropsychologist Marc Wittmann, this episode explores how bodily clocks, illness and age all impact how we experience time. We'll see how social time inventions, like daylight saving, can clash with our highly individual biological time.This episode in brief:1. What is biological time? | 02:50We all have a silent clockwork inside us governing what we feel and how our bodies operate. This section introduces the biological clocks that keep us ticking over — focusing on those which have captured our imagination most: circadian rhythms. We explore how ultradian rhythms work, from those that are stamped into our cells to those that respond to our external environment. 2. Sleep cycles: our master clock | 07:00Ever considered where the whole “early bird”/”night owl” classification comes from? Or why teenagers find it so hard to get up in the mornings? This section takes a closer look at how our individual “clock genes” influence out master circadian rhythm: the sleep/wake cycle. We consider how social designs for time — like daylight savings and work schedules — impact biological time, and the potentially dangerous consequences of the “social jetlag” they create. 3. How our body impacts how we experience time | 10:45In our last episode, we explored how our psychology can impact how we experience time, but our bodies also play a huge part in this too. Neuropsychologist Marc Wittmann helps explain how bodily states can act as time keepers in their own right — and how pain, temperature, illness, drugs and basic sensory stimuli all affect our conscious experience of time.4. The“phenomenal self” and time | 14:40 The “material self” is one of our primary tools for cataloguing and understanding our life, but it’s only possible as an entity over time. This final section considers how our bodily signals constitute the most basic feature of our conscious self — as a stream of information that is forever updating — and how feeling states could function as an inner measure of duration itself.
We're watching the White Rabbit Job, ask us about Jefferson Airplane, Game Masters, Party Girls!CW for those episode for manipulation, gaslighting, panic attacks, and an attempted suicide.We discuss an attempted suicide from 1:01:15 to 1:5:15, and 1:12:13 to 1:14:50We also discuss: Good MORNING CASSI-DY, bug news, Fabby's good selfies, the Doctor's big finish, live transgending, it's an Alice in Wonderland homage (DO YOU GET IT?), Chekov's energy drink, the team gives this guy a panic attack, DO YOU FIRETRUCKING GET IT?, take the estrogen pill and see how deep the rabbit hole goes, its your line bro, straitjackets in mad-max times, Hardison is getting stretched thin, 5 hours on repeat, the gig is up, Cass “I'm Baby”, oh hello ‘the Finns', Weird al clip, chekov's energy drink returns, DID YOU GET IT?, trivia wants us to think that inception is relevant, this questionable bop, shapeshifting is the idea trans power, Nu-Who, the best lets steal deal, Alamo Furry Convention.Recommendations:Season of the BitchDoctor Who Book Guide
We’re watching the White Rabbit Job, ask us about Jefferson Airplane, Game Masters, Party Girls!CW for those episode for manipulation, gaslighting, panic attacks, and an attempted suicide.We discuss an attempted suicide from 1:01:15 to 1:5:15, and 1:12:13 to 1:14:50We also discuss: Good MORNING CASSI-DY, bug news, Fabby’s good selfies, the Doctor’s big finish, live transgending, it’s an Alice in Wonderland homage (DO YOU GET IT?), Chekov’s energy drink, the team gives this guy a panic attack, DO YOU FIRETRUCKING GET IT?, take the estrogen pill and see how deep the rabbit hole goes, its your line bro, straitjackets in mad-max times, Hardison is getting stretched thin, 5 hours on repeat, the gig is up, Cass “I’m Baby”, oh hello ‘the Finns’, Weird al clip, chekov’s energy drink returns, DID YOU GET IT?, trivia wants us to think that inception is relevant, this questionable bop, shapeshifting is the idea trans power, Nu-Who, the best lets steal deal, Alamo Furry Convention.Recommendations:Season of the BitchDoctor Who Book Guide
Series: Gospel According to LukeMessage Text: Luke 7:36-50We miss out on so much when we fail to look closely into the eyes of people. When we truly become curious with people around us, much becomes possible that isn't otherwise.
It’s the season 3 finale! We’re watching the San Lorenzo Job, we’re talking about public speaking, elections, and ironic echoes.Extensive food talk from 1:05:00 to 1:10:50We’re also discussing humidity puns, Giantbomb fantasy league, treat your girl right, San Lorenzo is Gibraltar, the best of Dubertech, Hardison saw Kim K’s sex tape, support ethical porn, pls give voting pls, strawfeminist Britta appears, chemist Parker returns, Cass promises free maid Aprons, Hardison says the thing, Nate acts like an American and topples a foreign government with little to no regard for its citizens, Sophie’s dying in his arms tonight, Textbook Mexican Moustache, Ribera gets off scott-free, who are you?, Smooshing booties, which Leverager would be best to elect to public office?, there’s only 2 real candidates choose the one who will fuck you up less, fixin it in post, Espresso BBQ sauce, SupaidaMan and Spiders-Man.Recommendations:Patterns, by Mx. Ace Fucking JayceeSpider-Man: Into the Spider-VerseHalcyon StationFanfic Rec: Underwater (Overwatch Shape of Water-eqsue AU)
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