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Never mind freed from desire, can we be freed from... this?The Club World Cup is underway and Marcus, Jim and Vish are here to give it the serious, sage analysis it deserves. Like, did iShowSpeed really tell Sergio Agüero how to do a crossbar challenge?The conditions have obviously already us worried about England next summer, but the goals (and the Can Can music) were flowing for Bayern Munich against unfortunate underdogs Auckland City. Plus, in chaotic developments that we can definitely get behind, Gennaro Gattuso is the new manager of Italy! But will it be rarely good, mostly s**t?Please fill out Stak's listener survey! It'll help us learn more about the content you love so we can bring you even more - you'll also be entered into a competition to win one of five PlayStation 5's! Click here: https://bit.ly/staksurvey2025Find us on Bluesky, X, Instagram, TikTok and YouTube, and email us here: show@footballramble.com.Sign up to the Football Ramble Patreon for ad-free shows, extended Wednesday episodes, access to our Discord and early access to tickets and merch for just $5 per month: https://www.patreon.com/footballramble.***Please take the time to rate us on your podcast app. It means a great deal to the show and will make it easier for other potential listeners to find us. Thanks!*** Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this week's episode, Patrick and Tommie growl about recent dog attacks in New York City, go hunting with the Hanover Hound, go to the ballet with Tchaikovsky, go to town with Gary Cooper, say farewell to comic actress Ruth Buzzi and singer Jill Sobule, dance the Can-Can with Cole Porter, producer Steven gives a cooking lesson on roast leg of lamb, they get a checkup on the latest measles cases, give a thumbs down to the Supreme Court upholding the ban on trans members of the armed forces, don't know how President Trump doesn't know if everyone in the U.S. is entitled to due process, savor U.S-Swedish meatball diplomacy, Tommie considers running for office, Patrick reviews the comedic mystery A Simple Favor before it disappears from Netflix, Patrick names some heroes of the week, and the men pick their favorite flowers.

Aujourd'hui, je reçois Anne-Marie Sandrini, ex danseuse formée à l'Opéra de Paris, professeure et inspectrice de la danse et Isabelle Calabre, journaliste. Dans cet épisode, elles racontent un fragment de l'histoire du spectacle - le Bal Tabarin - l'un des temples du divertissement de 1900 à 1950 du 9e arrondissement.C'est aussi l'occasion de faire revivre le cancan d'alors et les débuts du music-hall dans les soirées parisiennes.Avec Anne-Marie Sandrini, ce sont des vies de danse passionnantes que nous traversons. Car elle est la fille de Pierre Sandrini - danseur à l'Opéra de Paris et directeur du Bal Tabarin, d'Andrée Rapo, danseuse classique devenue capitaine de Cancan, et petite fille de la danseuse étoile Emma Sandrini.De classique au cancan, on les écoute avec joie,

There's a reading of this movie as Jean Renoir's exercise in delayed gratification. What's a cancan? Is that a cancan? Will they cancan? Oh no they can't cancan!! But maybe, just maybe… No they can't! And then just when you've given up all hope: they can cancan! And by god, they do. (Spoiler alert.) Join the Random Acts of Cinema Discord server here! *Come support the podcast and get yourself or someone you love a random gift at our merch store.  T-shirts, hoodies, mugs, stickers, and more! If you'd like to watch ahead for next week's film, we will be discussing and reviewing Federico Fellini's Amarcord (1973).

1874, Offenbach componeert zijn eerste operette Orphée aux Enfers. Eentje waar hij meteen mee tegen de schenen van het publiek schopt. Maar slechte reclame is gelukkig ook reclame: iedereen in Parijs wil de operette gezien hebben. Ook Clara en Sander werpen de beentjes in de lucht. Een verhaal van dronken goden en Orpheus die het liefst zijn vrouw Eurydice helemaal niet wil redden. Maar ook: hoe dans je die Can Can nu? Sander heeft nog steeds spierpijn en Clara doet auditie als Crazy Girl.

Fri, 28 Feb 2025 01:45:00 GMT http://relay.fm/rd/255 http://relay.fm/rd/255 The Illusion of a Shared Experience 255 Merlin Mann and John Siracusa The main topic this week was almost The Big Game. The main topic this week was almost The Big Game. clean 6345 Subtitle: Merlin is pretty sure Jason Mantzoukas is the voice of the booger.The main topic this week was almost The Big Game. This episode of Reconcilable Differences is sponsored by: Grist: A modern, open source spreadsheet that goes beyond the grid. Try it for free today. Links and Show Notes: The main topic this week was almost The Big Game. (Recorded on Tuesday, February 11, 2025) Credits Audio Editor: Jim Metzendorf Admin Assistance: Kerry Provenzano Music: Merlin Mann The Suits: Stephen Hackett, Myke Hurley Get an ad-free version of the show, plus a monthly extended episode. Harrison Ford on Conan O'Brien's podcast - YouTube Salesforce Is Using A Hallucination To Sell AI - Defector Merlin's article about binaries "allballs" in PostgreSQL The (possible) origin of "allballs" Acorn - Mac graphics editor by Flying Meat Roderick on the Line #567: A High TeenThis is the episode where John Roderick talks about taking a father and kid on a “rock tour” of Seattle. Bat Boy from the Weekly World News Nibble - Wikipedia The State, Season 4 Episode 4: Leonard Harris Show“No, it's not in braille. It's in English, the language of the U-S-A!” Acorn 8 | Full Featured Photo Editor for the MacAcorn is an image editor for macOS 14 Sonoma or later, including macOS 15 Sequoia.Universal binary for Apple Silicon Macs. One of a kind, no subscriptions, no hassle. Bob Uecker Miller Lite commercials: Best ads of all time Easy Com-mercial, Easy Go-mercial | Bob's Burgers Wiki | FandomWhen the commercial that Louise scripted proves to be terrible, they get football star Sandy "Can-Can" Frye to star in their commercial with the catch phrase "Burgers go great with Frye" "Cotto

Fri, 28 Feb 2025 01:45:00 GMT http://relay.fm/rd/255 http://relay.fm/rd/255 Merlin Mann and John Siracusa The main topic this week was almost The Big Game. The main topic this week was almost The Big Game. clean 6345 Subtitle: Merlin is pretty sure Jason Mantzoukas is the voice of the booger.The main topic this week was almost The Big Game. This episode of Reconcilable Differences is sponsored by: Grist: A modern, open source spreadsheet that goes beyond the grid. Try it for free today. Links and Show Notes: The main topic this week was almost The Big Game. (Recorded on Tuesday, February 11, 2025) Credits Audio Editor: Jim Metzendorf Admin Assistance: Kerry Provenzano Music: Merlin Mann The Suits: Stephen Hackett, Myke Hurley Get an ad-free version of the show, plus a monthly extended episode. Harrison Ford on Conan O'Brien's podcast - YouTube Salesforce Is Using A Hallucination To Sell AI - Defector Merlin's article about binaries "allballs" in PostgreSQL The (possible) origin of "allballs" Acorn - Mac graphics editor by Flying Meat Roderick on the Line #567: A High TeenThis is the episode where John Roderick talks about taking a father and kid on a “rock tour” of Seattle. Bat Boy from the Weekly World News Nibble - Wikipedia The State, Season 4 Episode 4: Leonard Harris Show“No, it's not in braille. It's in English, the language of the U-S-A!” Acorn 8 | Full Featured Photo Editor for the MacAcorn is an image editor for macOS 14 Sonoma or later, including macOS 15 Sequoia.Universal binary for Apple Silicon Macs. One of a kind, no subscriptions, no hassle. Bob Uecker Miller Lite commercials: Best ads of all time Easy Com-mercial, Easy Go-mercial | Bob's Burgers Wiki | FandomWhen the commercial that Louise scripted proves to be terrible, they get football star Sandy "Can-Can" Frye to star in their commercial with the catch phrase "Burgers go great with Frye"

REDIFF - Entrez dans le monde vibrant de la Belle Époque avec Louise Weber, appelée La Goulue, danseuse de Cancan emblématique qui a transformé les soirées parisiennes ! Célèbre pour son audace et son incroyable talent, elle est devenue la muse de Toulouse-Lautrec et l'icône d'un Paris éclatant. Au fil d'une vie tumultueuse, explorez comment cette femme audacieuse a brisé les codes de son époque. Crédits : Lorànt Deutsch, Emma Locatelli Du lundi au vendredi de 15h à 15h30, l'inimitable Lorànt Deutsch vous révèle les secrets des personnages historiques les plus captivants !

REDIFF - Entrez dans le monde vibrant de la Belle Époque avec Louise Weber, appelée La Goulue, danseuse de Cancan emblématique qui a transformé les soirées parisiennes ! Célèbre pour son audace et son incroyable talent, elle est devenue la muse de Toulouse-Lautrec et l'icône d'un Paris éclatant. Au fil d'une vie tumultueuse, explorez comment cette femme audacieuse a brisé les codes de son époque. Crédits : Lorànt Deutsch, Emma Locatelli Du lundi au vendredi de 15h à 15h30, l'inimitable Lorànt Deutsch vous révèle les secrets des personnages historiques les plus captivants !

durée : 00:35:02 - Les Nuits de France Culture - par : Albane Penaranda - En 2001, Michel Ciment dans "Projection Privée" recevait Marianne de Fleury, la directrice des collections du musée de la Cinémathèque pour une exposition de quelques-unes des plus belles robes de l'histoire du cinéma, la célèbre costumière Rosine Delamare était également invitée. - réalisation : Virginie Mourthé - invités : Marianne de Fleury Directrice des collections à la Cinémathèque Française

durée : 00:32:16 - Les Nuits de France Culture - par : Albane Penaranda - En 2001, Michel Ciment dans "Projection Privée" recevait Marianne de Fleury, la directrice des collections du musée de la Cinémathèque pour une exposition de quelques-unes des plus belles robes de l'histoire du cinéma, la célèbre costumière Rosine Delamare était également invitée. - réalisation : Virginie Mourthé - invités : Marianne de Fleury Directrice des collections à la Cinémathèque Française

Our guest this time, Michael Rosenkrantz grew up in California and had, what he says, was a normal childhood. I would say that Mike grew up as a very curious individual. He went to college at the University of California at Irvine, and then, after receiving his Bachelor's degree, went East to Boston where he attended graduate schools at Northeastern University and Boston College. He earned Master's degrees in Sociology and Business. Michael then traveled around the United States quite a bit working in part for various nonprofit organizations. In 2009 he moved to India where he worked for the National Trust and became involved in helping persons with disabilities. By 2011 he had found himself involved with adaptive sports. He not only worked to help persons with disabilities become active in sporting events, but he also began working to educate others about becoming more inclusive. He eventually moved back to the States where he continued to promote adaptive sporting efforts. In 2019 Mike was a co-founder of SoCal Adaptive Sports. He will tell us about the organization. Even more relevant, Michael discuss Inclusion and its importance. This episode is not only quite inspiring, but it also helps put a lot of issues surrounding persons with disabilities into perspective. About the Guest: Michael Rosenkrantz has been working in the adaptive sport space since 2011 when he learned about wheelchair basketball. From 2009-12 Michael volunteered/worked as a Voluntary Services Overseas Volunteer with the National Trust which is part of the Ministry of Social Justice and Empowerment-Government of India. He then worked in Nepal from 2012-16. Coming back to the US Michael was an Assistant Women's Wheelchair Basketball Coach at the University of Arizona and co-founded Southern Arizona Adaptive Sports. He then went onto to work in North Carolina with Bridge II Sports and moved back to California in 2019. In 2020 he co-founded SoCal Adaptive Sports and has been the Board President and Executive Director. Bio-Michael see greater societal inclusion as a social justice issue, having learned this from working overseas. His path to working with people with disability has been varied, having worked for numerous municipalities and non-profits including the oldest longest operating public market in the US in Lancaster, PA and Director of the Alliance for Living an HIV/AIDS Services organization in Connecticut. Ways to connect with Michael: Web: Socaladaptivesports.org https://www.facebook.com/palmstopinesparasports About the Host: Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog. Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children's Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association's 2012 Hero Dog Awards. https://michaelhingson.com https://www.facebook.com/michael.hingson.author.speaker/ https://twitter.com/mhingson https://www.youtube.com/user/mhingson https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhingson/ accessiBe Links https://accessibe.com/ https://www.youtube.com/c/accessiBe https://www.linkedin.com/company/accessibe/mycompany/ https://www.facebook.com/accessibe/ Thanks for listening! Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it using the social media buttons on this page. Do you have some feedback or questions about this episode? Leave a comment in the section below! Subscribe to the podcast If you would like to get automatic updates of new podcast episodes, you can subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts or Stitcher. You can subscribe in your favorite podcast app. You can also support our podcast through our tip jar https://tips.pinecast.com/jar/unstoppable-mindset . Leave us an Apple Podcasts review Ratings and reviews from our listeners are extremely valuable to us and greatly appreciated. They help our podcast rank higher on Apple Podcasts, which exposes our show to more awesome listeners like you. If you have a minute, please leave an honest review on Apple Podcasts. Transcription Notes: Michael Hingson ** 00:00 Access Cast and accessiBe Initiative presents Unstoppable Mindset. The podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Hi, I'm Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us.   Michael Hingson ** 01:21 Well, hi everyone. I am Mike Hingson, and welcome to another episode of unstoppable mindset. Today. We get to chat with someone who was referred to me by our friend, Sheldon Lewis, who is involved in the nonprofit part of accessibe. That is he looks for nonprofits, especially in the disabilities arena, where he provides access to be to them at no charge, which is always a good thing. And Michael Rosenkrantz is one of the people that Sheldon has met along the way, and he suggested that Michael and I ought to do an episode of unstoppable mindset. And I guess I said enough right things that here he is. So Michael, welcome to unstoppable mindset. We're glad you're here.   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 02:03 Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Well,   Michael Hingson ** 02:06 why don't we start kind of like I love to do. Tell me a little about the early Michael, growing up and all that.   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 02:14 Sure, I grew up in the San Fernando Valley of California. Was always outside what town, and it was called Sepulveda at that time. No North Hills, okay? And, you know, always played sports since the weather was always pretty decent, yeah, a fairly usual childhood, nothing out of the ordinary, I would say. And, yeah, but I think it kind of shaped, you know, where I what I'm doing today, actually, that's for sure. Especially, no   Michael Hingson ** 02:55 difference, yeah, yeah. Did you go to did you go to college?   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 03:00 I went to college. I went to UC Irvine.   Michael Hingson ** 03:03 Did you I don't know whether I knew that. When were you there?   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 03:07 Yeah, I was there. Let's see that's a good question. 75 to 78   Michael Hingson ** 03:18 we overlapped by one year. Well, it's not to you, okay,   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 03:22 thank you. Went to Irvine and then went to grad school in   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 03:29 in the Boston area, Northeastern and Boston College, and they got me out to the East Coast, and, you know, ended up living on the East Coast for quite a number of years, and have moved around, you know, quite a bit.   Michael Hingson ** 03:46 So what got you to the East Coast rather than staying out west at Irvine or somewhere out here?   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 03:52 Well, grad school, essentially, just   Michael Hingson ** 03:54 decided that's what you wanted to do. Yeah,   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 03:57 yeah. I had a professor at Irvine had started a program at Boston College that I was very interested in, and so I ended up, you know, driving in a U haul cross country and with him, and spent a couple years at Boston College and a little bit more than a year and a half at Northeastern University.   Michael Hingson ** 04:22 So what was your bachelor's degree in   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 04:26 bachelor's degree in political science? Started out as a, you know, wanted to be a dentist. About was very short lived, as I didn't do well in chemistry and such. And, yeah, ended up changing. And you know, all for the best. Of course, all for the best. So   Michael Hingson ** 04:45 what were your graduate degrees in,   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 04:49 in sociology and also in business?   Michael Hingson ** 04:55 I remember being at UC Irvine in physics and. The year I started, which was 68 1600 people joined as freshmen in the bio side department. And one of the things that the School of Biological Sciences did, at least by reputation, to weed out a lot of the people who weren't going to really do well in biosci was that in your first year you were required to take your first or second year you were required to take organic chemistry. So by the end of two years, 1600 dropped to 200   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 05:41 Yeah, that'll do it.   Michael Hingson ** 05:46 So I didn't have to take organic chemistry, um, although I would have put up with it if that were required, but in physics, it wasn't. But I did take a year of bio side biology, one A, 1b and 1c which was a lot of fun, and that was requirement, but not organic chemistry, fortunately, which would have required memorizing lots of different kinds of reactions and so on. And memory has never been a problem for me, so I could have done that, but I'm glad I didn't have to.   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 06:19 That's great. Well, so,   Michael Hingson ** 06:20 so you went off to the east and went to school back there, different weather than out here.   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 06:30 Yeah, yeah, I remember wearing a very puppy down coat, and, you know, with a few snowflakes, a friend from New York just laughing, okay,   Michael Hingson ** 06:44 yeah, yeah, well, I'm sure that people laughed at me the first year I was back there, starting in October of 76 I moved to the Cambridge area and actually lived for a few months in a studio apartment in Back Bay Boston, and had to go to Cambridge every day. Well, had to go, went to Cambridge every day or work. And that was the first time I encountered lots of snow. And how they shoveled the sidewalks off and made sort of snow walls along the street gutters was just a very narrow pathway to walk through to get to the street, and I knew nothing about all that going into it. Well, I figured it out soon enough, though.   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 07:33 Yeah, I could just imagine   Michael Hingson ** 07:36 the dog loved it. Loved to play with the snowballs. So what? What did you do after college?   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 07:45 Let's see, after grad school, got married and then moved to the Bay Area Oakland and worked for the city of Oakland for a few years got me started working in the public markets a bit, which I really enjoyed, ended up moving back to the east coast for some 20 years now. Again, it moved to Pennsylvania after that, right there, who knows, live in Connecticut a little bit longer, and then moved back eventually, went back to the West Coast, moved to Colorado, lived in moved to India. Lived in India for a while. Nepal.   Michael Hingson ** 08:45 So were you married all this time?   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 08:47 No, oh, I moved to Pennsylvania. I got divorced. Oh,   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 08:55 but in the meantime, you know, I had two children. You know, they had a good childhood, and, yeah, just kind of pursued, you know, things that were important to me. And so when I was in, I was a VSO volunteer, I think the Voluntary Service overseas in 2009   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 09:24 and, you know, working with the Indian government, and that company started and working with people with disability and adaptive sports. So that's been my path pretty much since, you know, 2009   Michael Hingson ** 09:40 so what kinds of things did you do, or how did you get involved in working with people with disabilities over there?   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 09:47 So I was working for the Indian government, autonomous body called the National Trust, which was part of the Ministry of Social Justice and empowerment. I. And my role was to develop and then implement a variety of workshops for nonprofits, NGOs, involved with people with disability throughout the country, which I did, and was also I was living in New Delhi, so I was Saturday nights when I was in Delhi, I would coach at the YMCA coach basketball. And in 2011 some friends from a group called wheelchair athletes worldwide came over to the country, and that got me started in wheelchair basketball. And you know, I've just continued kind of on this path since that time. And you know, very much led to when I came back to the country, living in Tucson for a little bit, living in Raleigh, Durham area for a bit, and then back to California in 2019 and incorporating this nonprofit, along with some others, in May of 2020, and you know, we've continued. We've grown working throughout Southern California. And you know, I feel we're making an impact.   Michael Hingson ** 11:34 Well, going back to 2009 you started in New Delhi, and they had you starting to work with people with disabilities. What did you think about that, that that certainly was a different population than you were mostly used to being involved with so what? What were your thoughts or, how did, how did all that work out for you? What did you learn? I   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 11:55 hadn't really worked with people with disability before. I've been in Connecticut, you know, had a few different roles, but one of them was as director of an HIV AIDS organization, which was really good. So that got me more into the, you know, the nonprofit world, and kind of what that meant in working with people with disability, again, I worked, you know, primarily with the with the NGOs, with the organizations teaching them about fundraising and strategic planning, things to keep them really go, going and growing, becoming sustainable. So, you know, in India, in you know, disability looks different than it does here. You know, if you live in a village, a rural area, difficult, definitely, the thing that I learned, though, think was about advocacy and how important advocacy is. And, yeah, I think that's the thing that really put me on this path, in that, you know, people with disability are the largest minority population in the world. And about, you know, 15, 16% of worldwide population are people with disabilities. So it's a huge, huge number. And even, you know, in India, even without the kind of resources that we have in the US, there was a lot of movement in terms of trying to make structures much more accessible. You know, I saw the fight that that advocates had, and I realized that, realized that, you know, this is very much a social justice issue, and so that that really appealed to me. And then the, you know, the sports aspect, where, in India there weren't a lot of adaptive sports, you know. But since that time, obviously, things you know, things have changed and sports have grown. There are more people playing adaptive sports, yeah, certainly   Michael Hingson ** 14:32 back even in 2000 2001 and even later, the level of adaptive sports in the US wasn't what it is today either.   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 14:48 Yeah, well, I mean, it's certainly grown. You know, as more awareness is created about capabilities, as more awareness is created about, you know, removing barrier. Barriers, leveling the playing field, creating greater access. But you know, the thing that I saw in both India and Nepal, where I lived for four years after living in India for three years, was that accessibility was just a huge, huge issue. And you know, that starts with accessible sidewalks, or even having sidewalks, you know, that people could, could actually walk on. Yeah, so it's it, you know, it's a different it's a different access is very different than kind of what it is here. I mean, I realize there's a very long way to go. I mean, throughout the world, you know, especially in places like the US, with a lot more resources, but you know, there are a lot more opportunities here than in places, you know, like Nepal or India. I mean, I realized that there still needs to be a lot more priority placed on accessibility level in the playing field, creating societal inclusion. But certainly in my time back in the US, I've seen the growth of an interest in adaptive sports. And I you know, la 2028 with the Paralympic Games, is certainly it's already making a huge difference, especially in the LA area. How so? Well, so you have la 2028 you know, is fully functional. And so staff from LA 2028 you know, I see them in a number of adoptive sports fairs. I see the city of LA growing their programming terms of adaptive sports. You know, I see my friends organizations, Triumph Foundation, Angel City, which really la greater LA area, you know, just doing a whole lot more, and there being a lot more interest from people with disabilities in participating, but also in the able bodied neurotypical community, you know, volunteering a whole lot more. So I think you know all of those things with this goal of really making you know, huge impact in 2028 is, is making a difference. But you know, it has to continue, right? You have to have more municipalities creating adaptive sports a level in the playing field. And so, you know, that's one of the things that I'm working on, not necessarily, necessarily with La 2028 in mind, but more, you know, Southern California is an area where the weather is fairly good, and so you can play, you know, all year round. And and therefore, why aren't there adaptive sports being offered on a consistent basis in municipality, south, Southern California. So all of these things, you know. And then you have move united, which is the industry Chamber of Commerce, which is really making a difference. And I see more adaptive sports organizations joining, you know, with move united, so it, you know, it's happening. Change happens slowly, but I can see lots of light and lots more offerings, especially throughout Southern California,   Michael Hingson ** 18:58 something that I kind of wonder, and I asked the question, not being well educated in the whole area of adaptive sports, but in general, in some ways, philosophically, adaptive sports is still a separate But potentially equal environment. Can Can people who participate in adaptive sports be integrated into actually participating just in the regular sporting events, or are they so different that there's no way to really integrate the two? And I and I asked that, because I did have someone as a guest a while ago who was talking about, like wheelchair marathoners, who actually go faster than regular runners. And so, you know, is that an advantage or a disadvantage, or whatever? But are there ways to integrate any of the two so that you could have so called Able bodied people? And I, and I use it in that term, um. Um, participating with people, say, who are in wheelchairs or whatever? Yeah,   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 20:05 that's a that's a really good question. A few years ago, when I was living in Tucson, we had a summertime Wheelchair Basketball League, and so you got people with disability participating with people, you know, over able bodied women. It was I thought it was great. It was really fun. You know, the True, true inclusion, the program that I run in Riverside, an after school program, city of Riverside, it's for children, and that is an inclusive program. So I think in many cases, yes, and I think that you know schools and other some other programs are looking to do more inclusive sports. But I don't think that's it's always the case, right? I think there are times with certain athletes with certain abilities that it makes sense to have, you know, adaptive sports,   Michael Hingson ** 21:29 yeah, I don't know about wheelchair tennis, for example, or even wheelchair basketball, whether you could fully integrate them. I don't know enough about them to to know so   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 21:40 in in in Wiltshire basketball, people get a certain number of points depending on their disability. So sometimes able bodied would be a 4.5 for example. And you can only have a certain number of points on the court at one time, like one of my friends, Keith Wallace, actually does a league, Wilshire Basketball League, where he allows, you know, I mean, it's just inclusive. It's just an inclusive thing. Whereas, you know, a group like the National Wilshire Basketball Association is specifically for, you know, people with disabilities, so they're not making it at an get an inclusive thing. And, you know, that's fine. I mean, that's, you know, that's how they run their lead. So I think the more that you can do inclusive sports and and have people without disability try adaptive sports, the better. Actually, we do an example of that. So we do a school based program called sports for everybody. It's a program that a similar program that I did when I lived in North Carolina and worked for an adaptive sports organization there. So we go into schools. We bring sport wheelchairs. We set up three stations teach, you know, all the children how to push the sport wheelchair. We do Boccia and do sitting volleyball in a disability etiquette piece. And so this is a way to educate and create greater awareness about capabilities. And I think that's that's really key for, you know, removing barriers, creating more access and creating greater societal inclusion. That is, you know, and I asked the children, and it's all grades, I asked the children, I say, Well, do you know someone with disability? And you know, inevitably, I would say, you know, 40, 50% of the children say they know someone with disability. And you know, by the end of the session, I'm asking, so can you play with someone with disability? And all the kids are, yeah, of course we can, but you know, we have to adapt. So   Michael Hingson ** 24:13 adapting, adapting is a two way street. But yeah, yeah,   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 24:16 yeah, no, that's right. So I think that's and ultimately, you know, I'm looking at, how do you change society so that there is greater societal inclusion, and it doesn't matter you know what your ability level is, you know what's going on with your body, but that everyone can play together, right?   Michael Hingson ** 24:47 Well, one of the reasons that I asked the question was, I have a friend who, for many years was a national rowing champion and participated in rowing at the Paralympics. And I asked her, Why don't you. To participate in the regular Olympics rowing teams, and she said they won't allow that yet, you know, and she acknowledged that eyesight isn't an issue in rowing, but you know, maybe that will will change over time, but it is a growth issue just the presumption that disability means you can't do the same things that other people can do. Certainly there are areas where that's true. I am not going to watch television and make determinations about visual effects. That doesn't mean, however, that I can't watch television and I can't get a lot out of it, and it also doesn't mean that I don't encounter television commercials that have content where they never say what product they're advertising. And so they they systematically leave some of us out that shouldn't be a problem that I face, but inclusion is something that we really haven't totally adapted to and agreed needs to be part of our world.   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 26:11 Yeah, I think you know that South African runner victorious? Was it? Yeah, I believe, I think you participated in the Olympics. I'm not sure, but I think there are, there probably are areas in the Olympics, or somewhat disability could participate. I mean, I, you know, I wouldn't want to see someone doing standing basketball and in a wheelchair, you know, playing in the Olympics, because I think, you know, having a wheelchair might be difficult when you know someone's running And standing right, yeah, that might not go together, but you know, one of the best archers in the world is a guy without arms, and so, you know, why couldn't he participate in the Olympics? I mean, he may choose to participate in the Paralympics, but yeah, there probably are, like, a full range of sports where, you know, it shouldn't really matter whether, whether you have a disability, but that you could participate, you know, in the Olympics, because they're all, you know, when it comes down to it, Paralympics, Olympics. I mean, these, they're all you lead athletes, you know, and they're just incredible people. Some may just have, you know, a disability, but it shouldn't really make a whole heck of a lot of difference. I think for, you know, recreation programs that you can do a lot more inclusion and, you know, but just being aware that some people need one on one assistance. So again, I, you know, I, I kind of celebrate when like the programs that I do, especially with youth, are inclusive, because many times, parents don't understand what adaptive sports are, so they just sign their kids up to participate. And I say, Okay, that's great, sure, of course. But I also take the time, you know, to talk to the children who are neuro typical, able bodied, and say, you know, look, you may have noticed that, you know, this person acts a little bit differently, and so you need to be aware that, you know, maybe this person is autistic, right, yeah? Or has intellectual disability, and the kids, you know, they'll look at me with understanding and say, Okay, now I now I get it, and maybe I can change a little bit of the way that I interact, you know, with that person, which I think is really important, yeah? And I think that's the thing that brings about more societal inclusion.   Michael Hingson ** 29:25 One of the things, and I've said it on this podcast a number of times, is we've got to get beyond thinking that disability means lack of ability. And I've had a number of so called diversity experts on and they always say, but disability begins with dis, which is a lack of and I have discovered and learned and react when I hear that by saying things like, okay, then where does this come into the word disciple or discrete? You know, the reality is, dis doesn't need to be a lack. Lack of like with blindness, we always hear about visually impaired, which is such a gross term on so many levels, because visually we're not different and impaired, we are not and why do you compare how much eyesight I have to how much eyesight you have? We've got to get beyond believing that disability means a difference that makes some of us less than some of you, because everyone has gifts, and what we really need to do is to promote and understand each person's gifts and figure out how to help them use those gifts. Yeah,   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 30:36 well, that's you know, conversations about language and what people want. And when I was in India, so the the CEO of National Trust said, you know, it's discover ability, right? Put cover in there. When I use the word, or I've heard the word, differently able, yeah, one of my friends gets really pissed off and said, you know, come on, I do too, and that's okay, so, but I think it's more about it's not about disability. It's about, again, how do you create greater access, given that, you know, a lot of the systems and structures we've created did not have a person who, you know, may be blind in mind, right? And so, I mean, I think that's the thing intellectually, which we need to think about and change. And a lot of that, you know, is happening in New Delhi. When I was there, that's what the advocates were working on, you know, how do we change? How do we change the sidewalk so, you know, how do we ensure that all the restrooms have large enough openings to so that a person, a wheelchair, can fit in, right? And that's, you know, that's, that's a huge, huge discussion, but you're right. I mean, language, language does make a big difference. So I, you know, I always try to be careful and think about the language. But, you know, the reality is, how do you create greater access? So it's not, you know that person has a disability, but that person doesn't, you know, the person who maybe is blind or uses a wheelchair automatically, automatically, can get into a building, or, you know, into a restroom, or, you know, so there isn't this, yeah, there isn't this difference. I was in Israel a couple years ago for something called the Maccabee games, and I was coaching our wheelchair basketball team, and it was really curious to me, and somewhat frustrating when I saw on the hotel where we were staying at in Tel Aviv, it said handicap parking. But, you know, there was no, there was no place like for the person in the wheelchair to go, to get up, go in the front door. They had to go behind all the cars and all that. Yeah, excuse me, and you go, Well, come on, you know, that's not creating access. Or, you know, the front door that says, you know, handicap accessible, but yet, there's no button on it to push, and the doors are so heavy that you can't really pull it open, right? So, you know, you kind of scratch your head and go, Well, wait a second. This is really not, not creating greater access for people. And so it kind of defeats the purpose right to to have these signs and say all this, but yet, you know, the reality is, it's not, it's not accessible. So, you know, you got to think more about that. How do you make things much more accessible, so there isn't this difference. You know, we don't point to someone and say, Oh, they have a disability, and that's going to take time.   Michael Hingson ** 34:10 It is going to take time, and it takes involving some of the people who are actually being affected by the decisions. You know, several years ago, Israel did pass regulations that said all websites need to be accessible, and people took it, I think, in general, pretty seriously. I work with accessibe, as you know, and accessibe came out of needing to make websites inclusive, by three guys who had a company that made websites for people, and suddenly had to magically make them usable. And so they did, and they came up with a product that helps a lot in making websites usable and inclusive. Around the world, lots to do, and they're working on a lot of projects with that, but still, yeah, it's it's all about really involving the people who are affected by the decisions that you make. And clearly, if someone said that something was accessible, like a door, but they didn't have a button. You got to kind of wonder, who did they ask, or where did they consult to decide that that made it accessible? And so, you know, much less using the word handicapped in today's world, more and more, we're recognizing not a good thing to do, but you know, one of the things that that I hope over time, people will recognize is that disability is really a characteristic that everyone shares. It just manifests itself differently. I mean, you're light dependent, you know, so if the lights go out, you're in a world of hurt. Doesn't bother me a bit, but, but the reality is that we've got to raise consciousness. And it is a process. It is a slow process. And, you know, there are just so many areas where there is a lot of work to be done, but I think it's also important that we really try to get the work done. And if people refuse to listen, sometimes we have to take a harder stance than we might have in the past, but it is what we got to do. Well, you   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 36:24 know, as I say to the children that we educate in our sports, everybody program, if you live long enough, you're going to have a disability. I mean, there's no getting around that. And so, you know, understanding that now and again, you know, I keep talking about creating greater access, and thinking about that is, I think, is really, really important and very key. You know, I think about what's going on in Gaza now, and of course, they're going to be many more people with physical disability. And you know, Israel has a center for people with disability to play sports and all that. Obviously, we don't want to create, you know, more people who are amputees. But, you know, given the state of the world, you got to think about, you know, we are creating more people with disability. There's no doubt about that. Yes, but then how do we so how do we help those people once, you know, hopefully wars end, to participate fully in society, and it is about removing barriers, you know, making the world very accessible to everybody, you know, with an emphasis on body, no matter what their ability, who they are. So it's, you know, for me, it's personally, it's really important to create lots and lots of opportunities, and ensure that these opportunities are accessible. You know, whether it's sports, whether it's art, whether it's being able to go to professional sporting event, you know it's about it is about educating people to a colleague and I actually train coaches, ice skating coaches at our local ice Plex, you know, and working with people who are autistic, people with physical disability, people with other developmental disabilities. And so now we're embarking hopefully, on a program to train municipal parks and rec staff about working, you know, with people with all different abilities and and part of that, you know, Michael, is, it's demystifying, working with people with disability. Because I think many people think, you know, there's this, there's this magic, right? And I can't do it because I've never been trained on how to work with someone with disability. But I don't think that's it. You know, for me, it's been a matter of just experience, just getting in there and and doing it, and learning, you know, through sometimes making mistakes, but learning to lose mistakes and saying, okay, you know, I love sports and so, you know, I can work. I can work with anybody and that, and that's proven to work very well, you know, from non verbal people to, you know, people. People who are deaf. I mean, I, you know, I feel like I can work with anybody. And, you know, maybe it requires more patience and allowing a little more time for someone to process what direction I'm given. I've given rather but, but still, it's, you know, and I think that gets back to your question of, should we have more inclusion? And I think probably, over time, we will. But again, it's, it's this kind of taking the mystique out of working, you know, with stuff entrepreneurs who just has different abilities, you know, and who, does take longer to process, you know, direction   Michael Hingson ** 40:46 well. And the reality is, people with what are more traditional disabilities or not. The bottom line is that not everyone has the gifts to do some things. Not everybody's going to be good at basketball or tennis or golf. There are some blind people who play golf, and there are many blind people who don't play golf. There are some sighted people who play golf and are good at it. There are lots of people who don't play golf or who play at it but aren't very good. The reality is it that we need to not make the so called Disability the reason why something doesn't work? You know, people say to me all the time, well, of course, you didn't know what happened on September 11, even though you were in the building because you were blind, you couldn't see it. And of course, my response to that is, you got it all wrong as usual, and I don't say the as usual, but you've got it all wrong. The airplane hit 18 floors above us on the other side of the building. How was I supposed to know? How was anyone supposed to know what happened? I went down the stairs with 1000s of people who had no clue what had happened because they didn't see it and it had nothing to do with seeing it or not seeing it clearly, we had to get out of the building because of the way the building behaved. But you don't blame it on someone's so called disability. It's more common sense than that, but we haven't learned to do that collectively yet, and I hope it is something that over time, people will come more to realize,   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 42:20 yeah, you know, again, I think it's, it's more about is there, is there an opportunity for someone to come out and try golf or basketball, right, to see if they like it? You got, you know, there's some. So we do golf. We did golf yesterday, and, you know, that's not one of my favorite sports. But, you know, for for the athletes who came out who wanted to play great, and they like it good, you know, I mean, I, I was egged on, you know, to try and do it. And it took me, let's see how many shots take me, five or six shots for me to hit the ball, you know? And it's like, I'm not. Golf is not my game, you know,   Michael Hingson ** 43:07 my, my British, New Zealand and Australian friends notwithstanding, golf is still faster than cricket. But, you know,   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 43:15 I guess I got so I've heard, yeah, but, but it's, it's more about Yeah, I think the key word here, as I keep saying, is access. Correct, if the sport, if the art class, if the dance class is not offered, then certainly, you know, we put up barriers to participating. And so that's where things need to change. Again. It's, for me, it comes back to leveling the playing field, no matter what that playing field is. You know, it could be art, it could be dance, whatever. So that's where we all need to participate. And that's where, you know, municipalities, I feel, have a very key, key role, because they're managing, you know, fields and community centers and all that. And they have to prioritize, you know, adaptive sports. They have to prioritize, you know, saying this is an inclusive program. You know, anybody who wants to can come in and play, and they have to prioritize training their staff, so staff feels comfortable in working with everybody.   Michael Hingson ** 44:30 And you also have to learn to take out the disability and really look at people's gifts. I mean, as you pointed out, some people are going to play golf better than others. You might figure it out someday, though, by the way. So maybe you shouldn't give up yet. Maybe I hear a little bit of doubt there somewhere. Tell me. Tell me more about SoCal adaptive sports. You know what? It's all about, what you do and and what you're accomplishing with it? Yeah.   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 44:59 Thanks. So this, you know, I told you, I've been working kind of in the adapt with sports space since 2011 when my friends from wheelchair athletes worldwide came over to India. And so it's been, it's been a, definitely an evolution for me. When I came back to the US, I was able to be an assistant coach. This was in 2016 I was able to be an assistant coach at the University of Arizona with the women's wheelchair basketball team. So the got that got me more kind of into this. And then I helped to co found a nonprofit in Tucson called Southern Arizona adaptive sports, which I left before it really took off. And it has taken off due to my friend Mia handsome, you know, went out of North Carolina for a year and a half and then came back to the US work first, I mean, to California, worked for a small non profit in Coachella Valley. And then, you know, when COVID hit, parting of ways, and said it was really time to start, kind of my own thing. Co founded the organization, and I really appreciated kind of this journey which started in in India, this path, because I, you know, I live by, how do we create, again, numerous opportunities, and, you know, I'm able to work throughout Southern California, but numerous, just great organizations, a lot of partnering. And so we offer programs, you know, we offer basketball, tennis and pickleball. We're working with a hiking program. We're working with a group called Friends of the desert mountains to lead our hiking program, which is now three years old. We're working with Special Olympics. We're working with acute autism. I'm working with a group called Desert art. You know, we go sailing. So we work with a group of California inclusive sailing. We work with challenge sailors in San Diego. We've done trips to a place called calf find a ranch where athletes can participate in numerous activities. We've gone to professional sporting events. You know, as I mentioned earlier, we've done, we're doing after school programming. I'm working with a school district. We've worked with over 3000 children at Coachella alligator bike school district. And now we're going to start working with other school districts. So it's really, you know, it's a lot of different things that we offer, I think, in an effort to, again, let a level the playing field, a lot of education, which is vital, a lot of teaching life lessons through sports and it, you know, it's, it's about I can, as opposed to, I can't do this. And when I coach, you know, if one of the athletes says this is too hard, I can't do it, I say, you need to try it. And yes, you can. And then they do, and ultimately, you know, that leads to other things, right? That leads to maybe I can wash my clothes, I can wash my dishes, I can get a job, I can get an apartment or a house. And I think that's the really important piece. That's really important piece again, for me, you know, it's not just playing sports. It's playing to the best of your abilities, whatever you know those are. But then it's taking all of that and say, okay, you know, I'm going to make decisions for my life and what I'm passionate about and what I want to do.   Michael Hingson ** 48:57 Yeah, because the usual I can't isn't that they can't, it's that they've learned through whatever society has offered them that they can't, when that isn't necessarily true at all. Well,   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 49:12 I think that's right, and so I provide. You know, I don't coach anybody differently than I coach anybody else. I mean, maybe, you know, for some people, obviously, I, you know, have a bit well, I have patience, but maybe have a bit more patience, you know, wait a little bit longer for response and all that. But I push people because I think it's, I think it's important to do that, you know, I don't think it's okay to for someone to say, well, I can't do it because it's too hard. Well, no, you're going to try it and, you know, if you can't do it after I'm really trying, that's okay, but you're not just going to give up, because you're not going to give up. You know? Yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 50:01 yeah. We, we are taught all too often, all too much to give up rather than really being curious and really exploring and trying.   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 50:11 Yeah, you know, I've been, we have the BNP service open happening this for the next couple weeks out in Indian Wells, and I was able to see, you know, one of the women tennis players. And, you know, I thought, Wow, this woman hits the ball so hard. You know, she's only 21 but you know, she's been doing that for hours, endless hours every day, and it's not to say, you know, that I'm going to spend endless hours shooting hoops, but I'm going to play as much as I need to, so that, you know, I think compete on some level. And excuse me, I think this the same thing for, you know, the athletes that I've been working with, it's you may not play every day, right? You may not, but in the time that we're together, we're really going to push and, you know, we're all going to play to the best of our abilities, yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 51:20 how do we really work to level the playing field?   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 51:24 Well, you know, I just, I just had an article published on the National Parks and Recreation website, and in that, I wrote about municipalities. And as I indicated earlier, I said, you know, municipalities really have the power to change things again, because, you know, they have the infrastructure, they have the facilities. So it takes them again to prioritize, adaptive, inclusive sports, you know, and really push this stuff. So I, I see, you know, I see municipalities doing adaptive sports, bears, right? Perhaps I'm seeing more municipalities offer, you know, adaptive sports. I think that's going to really change. That's going to really level the playing field, I think, as our younger you know younger people, and even you know those of us my age, should you know, have greater acceptance for removing barriers and say, Hey, this person's in a wheelchair, but they want to participate. So how do I make that happen? I think that levels of playing field, I think, yeah, as people become, you know, more empathetic towards others and their situation, you know, can put themselves in, you know, another person's shoes, or even consider, well, what? What if I had to use a wheelchair or,   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 53:09 you know, to get around? How would I do it? Certainly, that changes things. I think, as we enlarge our world, which is not an easy task. You know, if   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 53:23 you've only lived in one part of the world for all of your life, you know, and haven't experienced other societies, maybe your empathy is not as great. But, you know, we live in a world that's, I mean, that's very connected, and so as we have more understanding that also levels of playing field, you know, it's, it's not only for people with, you know, we use the word disability, but it's, it's for everybody, right? It's   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 53:52 no matter what ethnicity you are, or, you know, religion you are, or you know what, however you choose to live your life,   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 54:05 there has to be greater understanding. But I think that that levels things for everybody, and that that again, you know, it's an it's an evolution. So it's going to take, it takes time. Yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 54:18 it, it is a process. And we, we do need to be committed to doing it, but it is a process and and hopefully we'll get there, yeah, and that we'll we'll see a lot more inclusion than we do. My late wife was in a wheelchair her whole life. I remember once at Christmas time, we wanted to go see the Rockettes, and we went to Radio City Music Hall, and they were supposed to have accessible seats, and they didn't. They they didn't move things around so that people in wheelchairs could have a seat. And it was a little bit of a frustrating situation. We pushed back on it, and they said, sorry. Do. Don't have anything, and we the next day, we called and talked to people at Radio City, and then a couple days later, miraculously, they found accessible seating for Karen, where, where she and I could sit next to each other, and and, and it worked out, but it was just interesting, the cavalier attitude that they had when radio, city music, Hall, of all places, shouldn't have even had that issue come up. But it did. Yeah, when was that? Oh, gosh, it was probably in, I would say 1999 or 2000   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 55:42 Yeah. But it took you and Karen to, kind of, you know, push back and say, Hey, for people to, you know, I mean, literally, open their eyes and say, Oh, huh, yeah. We need to make sure this is accessible, yeah.   Michael Hingson ** 55:57 And there's still many examples of that today. It's, it is. It's all about education. It's all about awareness raising, you know, which is important to do well for you, you you do a lot of different things. How do you maintain a work life balance? You must have some time when you rest a little bit. I would think,   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 56:19 you know, a bit, but I think, you know, I've been very fortunate in that I love sports. I very much see my work as a social justice kind of issue, although, you know, at times I think I should be doing, maybe I should be doing other things, you know, that, have, you know, so called greater importance, like climate change and whatever else. But, you know, again, I'm very fortunate that I found this even later in life. So it's, it's not a question of Sure, there are times when I feel really tired and, you know, kind of beat up. But when I get on the playing field and I'm coaching athletes, you know, there's nothing else kind of going on in the world at all. And so I think, you know, I know, you know, that focus really gives me a lot of energy. Um, you know, and to to see children in the in our school program, you know, who then come to another program and I say, Oh my gosh. You know, we're making an impact. They really get it. So that kind of thing really keeps me going. You know, this is a seven day a week job. I mean, there's no doubt about it. And look, I'm a co founder, and so, you know, I'm, we're still building to make this sustainable. So it's not a it's not something that really weighs on me in that, oh, I need to take, I need to go out and rest now, because, look, when I'm coaching, I'm also exercising, you know, yeah, and so it's not where I'm sitting at a desk. But, I mean, there are times when I do, when I write brands, but so I, you know, I feel fine with the way things are. Yes, you know, I need to hire more staff to help out. But for me, this was all it's very positive that, you know, I can be an entrepreneur, I can be a coach, and I and I feel like I'm hoping you know others and my all my small part of of the world. So your question is relevant, but it's also a little bit irrelevant too, right? Because I just, yeah, I just, I just do well,   Michael Hingson ** 59:07 I would also submit, you know, is climate change really more important? I mean, it is very important, but some people have the gift to do that, right? And so the other side of it is that making society more aware of important issues is, in its own way, just as important. Yeah, and you, you seem to do it very well, so I wouldn't denigrate it a whole lot. I think it's extremely important to do what you're doing. And, yeah, go   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 59:34 ahead. No, no, no, it is. But you know, given who I am and interested in the world of ideas and all that. I mean, I do you know think about these other things too. Sure. I know that, you know. I know that, especially with the children and with the adults that you know, making somewhat of a difference. So, yeah, if   Michael Hingson ** 59:55 people want to reach out and learn more about SoCal adaptive sports, maybe communicate. With you, maybe become involved and so on, whether it's here or in other parts of the country. How do they do that? Yeah, so or other parts of the world for that matter, because we do have initiatives outside the US too. Yeah,   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 1:00:13 because of our name, I do have people reaching out from other parts of the country, that's for sure. And I'm, you know, I'm still connected, obviously, with people in India on the call. But so SoCal adaptive sports.org is our website,   Michael Hingson ** 1:00:27 so it's S, O, C, A, L, adaptive sports.org   Michael Rosenkrantz ** 1:00:33 Okay? Or, you know, my emails might get SoCal adaptive sports.org so you know, feel free to reach out, happy to advise you wherever you live, connect you with resources wherever you live. And yeah, again, just, you know, join us. It's a growing community, a growing family. And yeah, we are making a difference.   Michael Hingson ** 1:01:02 And I think that's as much as anyone can ask for. Make a difference, make it a better world. Gee, Who can argue with that? Well, I want to thank you again for being with us. This has been fun, and I really enjoyed the discussion. And if you ever want to come back and talk more about it, and talk more about things that are happening and progress you're making, you are always welcome to to come visit us. So thank you for doing that, and I want to thank you all for listening to us today. 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What is our relationship to the land, to its other-than-human inhabitants, and to the rest of humanity? These are fundamental questions for thinking through how we can transform ourselves in ways that allow a multiplicity of ecologies and human communities to thrive alongside one another. And these questions are not just fundamental to us as individuals—they are essential to how we view our cultures, traditions, institutions, and ways of knowing.Layel Camargo lives at the vibrant intersection of ecological justice, queer liberation, and indigenous culture—a cultural space that offers a distinctive vantage point on how our societies work, while holding enormous potential to both see and reorient our relationships to the land and to one another.Layel Camargo is an organizer and artist who advocates for the better health of the planet and its people by restoring land, healing communities, and promoting low-waste and low-impact lifestyles. Layel is a transgender and gender non-conforming person who is an indigenous descendant of the Yaqui and Mayo tribes of the Sonoran Desert.I met Layel at a climate storytelling retreat in New York City in 2019, where I became a huge fan of their work and of their way of being in the world.Layel is a founder of the Shelterwood Collective, a Black, Indigenous, and LGBTQ-led community forest and retreat center, healing people and ecosystems through active stewardship and community engagement.Our conversation explores the idea of culture as strategy in confronting the climate crisis, diving into Layel's work in video, podcasting, and poetry and the origins of their approach to this work of healing people and planet.You can listen on Substack, Apple Podcasts, and other podcast platforms.Please rate, review, and share to help us spread the word!Layel CamargoLayel Camargo is a cultural strategist, land steward, filmmaker, artist, and a descendant of the Yaqui tribe and Mayo tribes of the Sonoran Desert. Layel is also transgender and non-binary. They graduated from UC Santa Cruz with dual degrees in Feminist Studies and Legal Studies. Layel was the Impact Producer for “The North Pole Show” Season Two. They currently produce and host ‘Did We Go Too Far' in conjunction with Movement Generation. Alongside Favianna Rodriguez and at the Center for Cultural Power, they created ‘Climate Woke,' a national campaign to center BIPOC voices in climate justice. Wanting to shape a new world, they co-founded ‘Shelterwood Collective'. The collective is a land-based organization that teaches land stewardship, fosters inventive ideation, and encourages healing for long-term survival. Layel was a Transformative Justice practitioner for 6 years and still looks to achieve change to the carceral system in all of their work. Most recently, Layel was named on the Grist 2020 Fixers List, and named in the 2019 Yerba Buena Center of the Arts list of ‘People to Watch Out For.'Quotation Read by Layel Camargo“You wanna fly, you got to give up the s**t that weighs you down.” - Toni Morrison, Song of SolomonRecommended Readings & MediaTranscriptIntroJohn Fiege  What is our relationship to the land, to its other-than-human inhabitants, and to the rest of humanity? These are fundamental questions for thinking through how we can transform ourselves in ways that allow a multiplicity of ecologies and human communities to thrive alongside one another. And these questions are not just fundamental to us as individuals—they are essential to how we view our cultures, traditions, institutions, and ways of knowing.Layel Camargo lives at the vibrant intersection of ecological justice, queer liberation, and indigenous culture—a cultural space that offers a distinctive vantage point on how our societies work while holding enormous potential to both see and reorient our relationships to the land and to one another.And besides that, Layel is hilarious.Layel Camargo My passion for humor has come from has been maintained by a lot of data and information that I've gotten around just the importance of people being able to process things through laughter. And that the climate crisis is nothing to make mockery and or to laugh, there's this is very serious. The ways in which our species is kind of being at threat of extinction, and right before our eyes. But I think that as humans, we're so complex and layered, and we're so beautiful in the sense that we get to feel so intensely, and feeling is what motivates us to take action. And laughter helps you process so much data quicker, it helps you be able to take something in, embrace it, release, and then have it make an impression.John Fiege  I'm John Fiege, and this is Chrysalis.Layel Camargo is an organizer and artist who advocates for the better health of the planet and its people by restoring land, healing communities, and promoting low-waste, low-impact lifestyles. Layel is a transgender and gender non-conforming person who is an indigenous descendant of the Yaqui and Mayo tribes of the Sonoran Desert.I met Layel at a climate storytelling retreat in New York City in 2019, where I became a huge fan of their work and of their way of being in the world.Layel is a founder of the Shelterwood Collective, a Black, Indigenous, and LGBTQ-led community forest and retreat center, healing people and ecosystems through active stewardship and community engagement.Our conversation explores the idea of culture as strategy in confronting the climate crisis, diving into Layel's work in video, podcasting, and poetry and the origins of their approach to this work of healing people and planet.Here is Layel Camargo.ConversationJohn FiegeHow you doing?Layel Camargo I'm doing pretty good. How are you doing?John Fiege I'm doing well. I've got this thing in my throat. I, so I'm going to be drinking a lot of tea. And I might have to have a bathroom break. Know, I have forgotten to take my allergy medicine. And here we are. Great. Yeah. So can you start out by telling me where you grew up? And how you viewed your relationship to the rest of nature when you were a kid?Layel Camargo Yeah. Um, I can start off by Yeah. talking a little bit about where I grew up. Yeah, so I grew up on the Mexican border between Tijuana and San Diego. And my upbringing was in this very highly dense migrant community from Latinx to Philippines, because of the proximity to the military base. It was very military towns, pretty much the professions. They're like you're either work for Homeland Security, the military or police. And I didn't really notice what my upbringing was like till I left. But I grew up crossing the border back and forth. My grandmother migrated from the Sonoran Desert, to Tijuana. And that's basically where my mother was born. And she grew. She went to high school in San Diego, which is why I can say I'm an American citizen, but I'm a descendant of the Maya or the uremic tribes, my grandmother said, and then my grandfather said, The yucky tribes of the Sonoran Desert so I think for me, my connection ecologically was like the ocean Because I grew up in a beach city, and then it was also the desert, because of all the stories and my grandmother's connection to sanada. So high, I never felt like I was at home because as a queer person paid never really fit into the conservative nature of San Diego due to how militarized it is, and all this stuff. But it was through a drive, which I took from Northern California, down to Sonora, where my grandmother's family lives, when I drove through the saguaros and Arizona that I remember seeing the Saguaro forests and just like needing to pull over and just like, take them in. And I had this a visceral feeling that I don't think I've ever had before of just like being home. And I think this, this experience was like in 2016 2017. And that's when I realized that, in theory, I was a climate activist, I cared about the planet. But it wasn't until that moment that I was like, oh, what I'm actually doing is like actually fighting for us to return to be in better relationship with the planet. And this is where I belong, this is my source of my route, these trees and this desert. So because of that, and growing up in proximity to the beach, water conservation has always been an area of like passion for me and caring about the ocean, which pushed me to a practice of lowering my plastic consumption and being more mindful of oil consumption. And the desert has always been a source of like grounding in regards to like place and knowing that I come from the earth. So it's kind of like I was gonna say, it's kind of like, I'm from a lot of places, I moved to Northern California in 2006. So I love the forest. But nothing speaks to my heart, like the beach in the desert.John Fiege Well, they have sand in common. Is there? Is there a tension between the ocean pulling you in the desert pulling you or is it? Is it a beautiful harmony?Layel Camargo It's a bit of a tension. But I would say that in my body, it feels the same. They both dehydrate me and over, over like it's just a lot of heat, typically. So yeah, that it's different for Northern California beaches, because they're a little bit more Rocky and more cold. You have to wear more layers. Right? definitely like to where I grew up, it's it is warm, the sandy ness. That's a great connection, I definitely need to make that a little bit more concrete.TotallyJohn Fiege cool. Well, can you tell me more about the path you took from the neighborhood where you grew up in San Diego, to studying at UC Santa Cruz and what that experience was like for you?Layel Camargo Yeah, I, I went. So I grew up in a home where there was a lot of violence, which is very common in a lot of migrant-specific and indigenous communities. And I kind of came into my teenage years, like really realizing that I was different, but I didn't know how when it kind of got summarized in college around my queerness my sexuality and my gender, but just feeling this need of like needing to leave. It just didn't make sense for me to be there. And with that being said, I had a wonderful community. I still have quite a few friends in San Diego that I keep in touch with my sisters live there. And I was actually just started last weekend. So I, when I was in San Diego, I think a lot of my trauma responses of like, just ignore what doesn't make sense and just keep moving forward was how I kind of functioned. And that race. And I loved it, I succeeded at it. I've actually realized that I'm a performance artist because of that upbringing. Like I, you know, was captain of the water polo team. I was president of my senior class, I was featured in newspapers for my swimming. I was a competitive swimmer for 10 years. I I did, I did a you know, a good job. I had advanced placement classes and honors classes and I was well rounded but in the inside, I just didn't feel like I belonged. So I picked UC Santa Cruz to go to college because it was the farthest University and the University of California system that had accepted me. And they went and I didn't know what I was getting myself into. I visited the campus like two to three weeks before I had to actually be there to live on campus. Bass. And when my dad drove me, drove me up with my whole family drove me up and they left me they were like, are you sure you want to say I'm like, I got this, like, it was all redwoods. So it was definitely like, we went down to the local store. And it was like all these like hippie dreadlock, folks. And I was like, I don't even know what I got myself into. But I'm getting this degree, so we're good. And it was a big culture shock, I think for a lot of black and brown and indigenous youth when they have to leave their communities to attend. What is like better economic opportunities outside of them it is it's, it's more than just having to adjust, it's having to really like, Oh, I had to let go of everything I knew. And in order for me to take the most out of college, and I was fortunate enough that I had a container a university is like a container for young folks that I wasn't having to leave for work or opportunities. And so I fully immersed myself, and it allowed me to be able to identify myself sexually and through my gender, and a gave me solace, when you know, my family rejected me for coming out. And I think that I'm so fortunate that I had that experience. And then I also was able to gain double bachelor's when feminist studies and legal studies which allowed me to have some upward mobility that my family hadn't had, traditionally I was, I am the first person in my whole family to attend a four year university after high school. So I'm definitely very grateful that that path took me there. And at this point, I feel like it was not only good for me, but it was good for my whole family for me to have taken that journey.John Fiege And did you come out to them? In college or before college?Layel Camargo in college? Yeah, I was my second year, I had my first girlfriend. And I was a Resident Advisor, always I'm always trying to be the overachiever. So I was like Resident Advisor of my college, I was like, involved in every club, I was part of the dance team. And, you know, my mom called me, I just decided to actually move in with my girlfriend the following quarter. And she was like, What are you doing? I was like, Oh, my girlfriend's house. And she was like, why do you have to tell me those things. And I'm just like, because I'm not gonna lie to you. And she was like, I know, you're gay, but I just don't need you to rub it in my face. And I was like, then I guess we can't talk. And so we didn't talk for three months. And then she called me It's, it's, it's hard, you know, like, going to college is hard, especially when I went to very marginalized public schools before that. So I was struggling academically. And my solace was, like, being involved on campus, like to meet some social needs. And I was in, I was in a retention program for black and brown youth from urban communities. So that helped a lot. But I, I, my mom kind of rupturing that, really. I didn't realize what the impact was until probably a quarter the quarter into after that. And she called me three months later, and was like, so are you not gonna talk to me? And I was like, you're the one that doesn't talk to me. And she was like, well, let's just let's just try to make this work. And so we, you know, it took probably five to six years for my family to kind of fully integrate my, you know, my, my lifestyle as they, as they call it. The magic word of magic word. Yeah.John Fiege Yeah, wow. Well, you know, that's just what you need, right in the middle of college trying to adapt to, you know, crazy new culture and world is for your family to reject you.Layel Camargo Yeah, yeah. It's definitely one of those things that like a lot of queer LGBTQ folks. I, I feel like it's so normalized to us, right? And it's just like, well, when you come up, just expect to lose everything. And I think it is it now until I'm like, in my 30s, that I realized how painful that is, and how, like, it's just like, you know, one of the core things I think, as a human species is to know that you belong somewhere. And if you don't belong at home, then where do you belong? And I think for many of us, we've had to go through that unconsciously, without really thinking through that we're seeking to belong. And this theme of belonging has been something that's been coming up as I'm I navigate like, my professional career now is that like, I really do want people to feel like they belong somewhere. And the only thing I feel like makes sense as we all belong to the planet. We all belong to the same descendants and how we got here as a species and that I think that's being rejected from my family allowed me to be like weird do I belong? And so I fortunate that I had a best friend who was also queer. I had my queer community I had student governments and students social organizing. And then when I graduated, I was like, wait, like, Where else do I belong? So I went to my natural habitats like to the beach, and I picked up surfing again and scuba diving. And then it was like, Oh, I actually like I belong to the earth. Like, that's where I belong.John Fiege That's beautiful. Yeah. I love that. Oh, I am hearing some background noise.Layel Camargo Is it audio? Or is it just like,John Fiege people laughing?Layel Camargo It's my partner's on an Akai here, I'm going to shoot her a quick text. She like gets really loud because she gets so excited. Just going to share a quick text.John Fiege So before coming to climate justice work, you worked as an organizer with the Bay Area transformative justice collective. Can you tell me how your work in transformative justice informed your understanding of the climate crisis and how you approach ecological concerns?Layel Camargo Yeah, so I I organized with transformative justice for about six years. And then I you know, for folks who don't know, transformative justice is an alternative response model to violence, harm and hurt. And so similar to restorative justice, which works with the carceral system, so police, judicial systems, etc. to reform in order to help alleviate some of the biases that exists in the systems, transformative justice, as there's those systems actually don't serve certain communities like migrants, folks like that are trans, just the way that those systems just inherently violate certain people who are not included in our society fairly, was like, transparent justice exists to serve folks who cannot access or choose not to access or use the carceral system. So if you will, if you believe in defunding the police, and let's say you're sexually assaulted, you're probably not going to call the police for a rape kit, because there's probably ways that you've experienced those systems as harmful or violent. So when I started organizing were transferred to justice the spoke to me as somebody who had just come out as trans, somebody who grew up in a mixed status family, have relatives who have been deported. And I realized, like, Oh, it's actually worth investing in alternative models, besides the police. In order for us to get our needs met when crisises do happen, because they happen to all of us. And I was in it for six years, you know, we had built up, I had built a great capacity to work with people who had caused harm people who are caused domestic violence, sexual assaults and transforming their behavior and working towards reparation of relationships and or just like helping victims be able to move on after something like that happens. And it's it wasn't an easy task. And what we would come back to is we would spend like the first front of the months, trying to make sure that people's basic needs were met in order for them to slow down enough to process what had just happened. And basic needs included food included shelter, if they lived near, you know, a toxic site, what was infringing on their health, making sure that they had access to health coverage or health benefits. And that was about 60% of what we're doing was making sure that we could get the basics kind of stable so that they could jump into really honoring what it was a justice look like for them. And in doing this a handful of times, not too many, I will say I didn't think thankfully, we had a team. And so I did wasn't always having to handle everything. And we, the experiences that I did have, I was like, man, if people just had, like, a healthy environment where having to fight for housing wasn't a thing. Like we could just actually say, this is where I was born, this is where I belong, and I'm in relationship with the land. And that's how I feed myself, I clothe myself, like all these things that are kind of like indigenous traditional ways, then people could actually solve a lot of their crisis. He's in the moment without having it to be delayed years or having to rely on for it to get outsourced through the carceral system in order for them to feel like they get a minuscule amount of justice. And so I started to just be more cognizant of the way that we interact with the planet and how are everything from our legal structures to our economic structures are just completely devastating. Our environment that have led for us not to have good air quality for us not to have good clean water for us not to feel like we've belong to the earth that is right beneath us that we like, are in relationship with, with the rest of you know, most of our lives. And I, at the time I was living in West Oakland and I had just looked into the air quality report in the area I lived in, and I had the worst air quality in the whole Bay Area. And I started noticing my dog started developing like little spots on her skin, I started having like a lot of chronic coughing. And I was looking at how much money I was making. And so at the time, I was doing a lot of our pop ups, I was really passionate about zero waste, I cared about veganism, a lot of it was through the planet, and it just slowly started shifting away from Yes, I care about how we respond to violence and harm and all of that. And I want us to have alternatives that meet the needs of folks who fall through the waistline of certain systems. And at the same time, we don't even have clean water to come home to to drink when something violent happens, like we have to go buy it from, you know, a grocery store. Most of us don't even test our tap water anymore, because it's just consistently, we just grew up thinking that it doesn't, it's dirty, it's gross, it's non potable, so Right, right. I think at that moment, my heart just completely was like, I want to dive into this work 100% I want to fight for people to have clean air, like if you can't breathe, then you can't, you can't even do a lot, a lot of things. And so many black and brown people who grew up in rural communities have high rates of asthma have like low life expectancy because of air pollution, to you know, the logistics industry etc. And I just kind of fell in with all my heart in like, if I'm, if I'm against plastic put which at the time I was, like vegan for the planet and vegan for my health. And I was also really passionate about reducing plastic use. And I was like, if these are two things that I care about, I want to do it at a larger scale. So it meant that I had to really make those connections of if I want to end gender based violence, if I want to end large forms of violence, I have to start with the one common thing we have that we're constantly extracting and violating, which is the earth. And I think that that led me towards climate justice, because that is the most critical environmental crisis that we're in at this moment.John Fiege So what is the climate crisis? What what what causes is how do you how do you think about culture as a source of power and strategy for climate crisis?Layel Camargo Yeah, I mean, I this is this is really, you know, this, that this is what I do for my life is I spent the last 7 to 8 years really strategizing around what are the cultural shifts that are needed in order for us to be able to be in right relationship with the planet where things like the climate crisis are not happening, so that we can have an economic system and a political system that is serves the planet and the needs of our of us living and thriving, not surviving, which is I think, what we're stuck in as a global society now. And the, we have like quite a few things to kind of look at historically. And I think that there is a dominance of, which is we now know, it is like white supremacy, which is the idea that one group of human is like better than another group of human, and that because of that, everybody else needs to conform to the languages, the culture, the food, the clothes, the housing structures, that are pervasive, and that in, you know, the Euro centric way of living, and that has created a monoculture that is now spread at a global scale. And it's even because it's an economic sister in their economic system. Now we have global stock markets. Now we have the extraction at a global scale, for the sourcing of consumer goods that are all homogenous, and there. There's just one kind of how we do things. And I think the crisis that we're in is the ways that human have removed ourselves from our natural biodiversity relationships with our ecological systems. And then as removing ourselves we have are allowed for the rupture of a relationship that is very needed, which is if we're not integrated into the trees that are natural in our environment into trimming certain invasive species and supporting other biodiverse relationships around us, then we're crippling the ability of the soil to be healthy of the air to have the most amount of oxygen Have you Now we know that we need to be trapping carbon at such high rates. And I think that with a crisis that we're in is that we've allowed and have fallen victims to white supremacy, which was facilitated by colonization, that I, you know, that dominance of one group of people in the way of existing, and I think that's where we're at. I mean, if you look at the kelp forests, the kelp forest needs the otters, they need the, the sea urchins. But when you remove the otters and the sea urchins, you know, are not being preyed upon at a normal scale. And that's, you know, we're connecting it to white supremacy, let's assume that the sea urchins are like the dominant and because they're, they're the ones that ruled the kelp species are starting to be eradicated, and some of them are becoming a threat of extinction. And without a healthy kelp forests, you don't have healthy oxygen and maintenance of the acidification in the ocean, which, you know, couple that with global warming, and you basically have the rapid eradication of so many other natural ecosystems in the ocean that we need to survive. And so when you have one species dominating over another, it leads towards a crisis. So I think we're in a imbalance of relationships because of, of white supremacy. And that's what's causing the climate crisis we have. We have a monoculture. And so just as you look at mono cropping, as you look at anything that eradicates the health of the soil, because it doesn't have the reciprocal relationships that it needs from other crops, and are the resting in order for the soil to be healthy. This might not be speaking to everybody who's listening. But it makes sense that like, Yeah, definitely. The environment crisis is a symptom of Yes. Oh, the climate crisis is a symptom of a larger systemic problem.John Fiege Yeah. And in so many ways, white supremacy was created by colonialism, like, white supremacy is the cultural system that in some ways had to emerge to justify the political and economic brutality of colonialism. You know, it was a it was it was a way of organizing and understanding the world that justified these terrible things that were happening. And they're so it goes so much hand in hand.Layel Camargo Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I mean, I feel like I could talk about this for hours, because there's just so many ways in which we can break it down to the minute level. And then there's so many ways that we can think about solutions. And a lot of my my work and my passion is really bringing as much power as I can to black, indigenous and people of color. Because the retention of culture, language, and different ways of engaging with the world, everything from how we grow our food to how we dress and what we celebrate. And where we honor is what's going to help us be more resilient towards the impending and the realism of what the climate crisis means to a lot of our communities.John Fiege Yeah, totally. Yeah. And you're you're living and working at this really interesting intersection between ecological justice, queer liberation and indigenous culture. Can Can you talk a bit about the intersections of your identity and cultural background and their importance to you and how you orient yourself to this work?Layel Camargo Yeah, definitely. So as I mentioned, I'm a descendant of the Yaki and the Mio tribes in the Sonoran Desert. And I didn't really realize how much this matter to me, I think till about like five to six years ago, because I grew up because of the borders. Technically, I'm Mexican descent, and Mexican American salesperson in this country. But the Mexican government is similar to what we're talking about white supremacy was created by European settlers and, and a hybrid of mixture of stealing of indigenous cultures. And there are so many subgroups of different indigenous cultures. And my heritage is that both my grandfather and my grandmother's tribe as they were nomadic, and they used to migrate up and down the Sonoran Desert, before the border was there from seasonally for survival. And there's so many ways that like food that we eat, how we dress, how we talk that I didn't realize like, Oh, that makes me so much more than just Mexican American. It makes me more than just Latinx. And I think my background and being in such close proximity to immigration and the necessity of immigration or to survive because my grandmother came to Tijuana because it was industrialized and she needed work. And so when they migrated, they like left everything behind. And they never went back. Like, I think so many people leave their home, thinking that they're going to go back and they don't, their children are born in different places. And eventually, that led me to be born in a different country. And so because of that background, I am so keen to issues around native sovereignty and land back here in the United States is like the retention of keeping people in the place of their origin is a climate solution. It's a way of keeping that ancestral knowledge in the place that is needed. I mean, here in Northern California, we look at the wildfire crisis, and it's due to climate change. And it's also due to the lack of forest management, that our indigenous relatives that are native to that area have been robbed of the opportunity to maintain those forests at the scale, which is needed in order to adapt and prepare for wildfires. Yeah,John Fiege yeah, with with the prescribed burning, and all that maintenance that used to happen. That was invisible in so many ways to the European colonists, they didn't even understand that that was going on, or how it worked.Layel Camargo Yeah, and I feel like, you know, it goes back to the monoculture. And I think, because I have indigenous ancestry, because I understand the nature of needing to migrate. And the realities of migrant experience, I think I feel so passionate about keeping people in their place of origin as much as possible, and allowing for people to move freely when they have to. And I think as as the climate crisis gets worse, I started to realize just what a disservice we have made by instilling borders by having governments that have been so gatekeeping and operating off of scarcity, that we've kind of mandated a world where people can move freely people, and people have to leave their place of origin. And that these two paradox that we exist in, is creating the dehumanization of a group of people that if you cannot sustain yourself in your place of origin, because of global extraction, by the way, because of environmental degradation and the economic viability of your area, and how that creates wars and mass extraction, that that is why people migrate. But yet those same people who are creating those systems that make it difficult for you to stay in your place of origin have also created borders to not let you move freely. That paradox to me is also part of this climate crisis as because many of us are going to have to leave john, at some point, there's going to be floods, there's going to be hot water, we're experiencing a drought prices in California, I'm actually living between northern California and Southern California already. And a lot of it is because of the wildfires and my family's down here. And my family's at threat of sea level rise by living in San Diego, which San Diego filed a lawsuit against Exxon and Chevron. And I think one or two other oil companies is we're all we're all existing now in this global climate crisis, that it's not quite in our face every day, but we feel it seasonally now, so we're gonna have to be able to move. Right? So yeah, and last to say is like similar to my cultures I have I lived with an end an endocrine illness. And so air pollution is something that could severely impede my ability to reproduce my ability to function. At this point, I spend about four to five days a month in bed, working from bed, and I'm fortunate enough that I get to work remotely. But for a lot of people, we're going to see more and more ways in which the mass destruction of the planet which has led to the climate crisis is how we become to adopt ways of having different abilities or not being able to live our day to day function. So yeah, the intersecting points are just, they're overwhelming. And I think a lot of us are starting to feel that more as things start to kind of get a little worse.John Fiege Right, right. Yeah, I was talking to, to my partner the other day, she was she was talking to a fellow activist about this idea of ableism. And how, you know, so much of the discourse around it is you know, what are your abilities and, and this, this person was talking about how it it's how unstable that is. Like you can be able bodied today and tomorrow, you can be not able bodied in the same way. Because of, you know, like you say the changing air quality or something happens, or you just you're getting old, or you get sick. And it's one of those things that we've so ignored as a culture of what, what ableism really means about our assumptions about the world.Layel Camargo And like the economic viability and how our economic system is just so dependent on us being fully productive 24 seven, which I made a video on this called The Big Sea, which talks about the intersecting points of labor and how the labor crisis is actually the root of our climate crisis. Because if we can have people have a bigger imagination around how they can use their bodies, to serve their own needs, instead of serving the needs of corporate interests, how that would actually alleviate a lot of pressure on the planet. And that that would potentially lead to our most successful outcomes in regards to the climate crisis.John Fiege Yeah, totally, totally. Well, can you tell me about decolonizing conservation in the environmental movement and what that looks like to you?Layel Camargo Yeah, so I, I started during the beginning of the pandemic, I started a nonprofit called shelterwood collective, which is black and brown and indigenous queer folks who are aiming to steward land at the time, I was aiming to sort of land a month ago, we acquired a 900 acre camp in cassada, California, and Northern California and our team is about conservation efforts, specifically with forest resiliency against wildfires. Taking Western Western practices of conservation, mixing them with indigenous practices that are similarly to conservation. And I feel like when we think about conservation efforts, a lot of them have been dictated by European ways of thinking through conserving natural environments, which a lot of it is like humans are bad, nature must be left uncared for. And this does such a disservice because our indigenous ancestors knew that in order for a forest to be thriving, we needed to be in relationship with it, we needed to monitor monitor it, if there was a fun guy or a virus that was spreading their disease, that we could actually help it, he'll help trees, he'll help it spread less, if there was fires that were coming that we could trim, and tend and do controlled burns, if there was, you know, sucks anything happening where a species was struggling, that we could help support its growth and its population by you know, hunting its predators. And so I think that, that is the challenge between indigenous conservation efforts are traditional ways of just being in relationship with the natural environment and conservation is the western conservation is that we have been so removed from what it means to protect water systems, what it means to protect forests, that now we have a crisis of mismanagement we have and that more and more countries are adopting European Western perspectives because of the dominance that white supremacy has instilled that there are certain group of people that know more than we do. And that's just that's created, at least for me feels very heavy on when it comes to wildfires. There is certain areas in Northern California where there have been residential communities that have been built on wildfire lines that we know now, indigenous people knew that like every 30 years, for every 50 years, there would be a wildfire that would run through that area. And now that we're not that it's getting hotter, the gap of that time is getting shortened. And also that we're realizing that the years, hundreds of years of mismanagement, and lack of tending has led to also these extreme wildfires, that's now causing casualties outside of wildlife. And I feel like conservation needs to evolve. I think that there needs to be more understanding around the harm that Western conservation has done to not only the ecosystems but to the people who have traditionally been keeping those ecosystems. And I do feel like it's like it's evolving. I just think that it's not evolving as fast as we need. And unfortunately, with the climate climate crisis, we're gonna have to really come to recognize what do we need to move really fast on on what can wait because it just feels like Everything's urgent, we need to save the oceans as much as we need to save the forest as much as we need to Save the Redwoods as much as we need to take the rain forests and it just feels like and and that is like the natural environment, then we have like the growing list of extinction, threats of extinction for certain animals. And I think that I don't know why just came to my head. And then you have people like Bill Gates who want to eradicate a whole mosquito species. So it just feels like we're gonna have to pick and choose our battles here. And I do feel like coming to reckoning around the harm that this pervasiveness in western conservation, which isn't the idea that sometimes we are harmful to, you know, our natural ecosystems isn't a bad one. Yeah, we are. But how we got here was by completely removing ourselves and not knowing how to take care of those ecosystems, had we been in a relationship with them for the last 100 years, maybe we wouldn't be so wasteful, maybe we would have caught air pollution sooner than then our body is telling us, hey, we don't like this, this is bad, we're gonna die sooner if you keep doing this. And I think that that is a disservice. So it's beautiful to see more forest schools popping up for young people. It's beautiful to see more conservation groups trying to bring in indigenous leaders into the conversations. But I do feel like that overall idea needs to shift. And I also think that the land back movement, which is returning national parks back to indigenous hands, is going to help alleviate some of those major tensions that do not honor that certain people have been doing this for hundreds of years. And if we don't return it in this generation, we just run the risk of losing more language, more culture and more practices that we need at a larger scale.John Fiege Yeah, in protecting ecosystems is just not a complete picture of everything that's needed. Like as you say, it's important on some level, but it's it's not it's not a whole, it's not a whole understanding of of the problem or how to address it. There reminds me I was I was just reading or rereading a bit of Robin wall kimmerer book braiding sweetgrass, and she talks, she talks about this very issue a bunch about, you know, sweet grass in particulars is something where there's this, this back and forth relationship between humans and nature. And she talks about teaching one of her University classes up here in New York, and asking them at the beginning of the semester, you know, whether people are bad for the environment, and almost everybody says yes. And we alsoLayel Camargo have this this perception of we are bad. Right?John Fiege Yeah. Yeah, this Western guilt is pervasive in that as well. Which is,Layel Camargo which is facilitated by religion? Yes, religion has a very good job of making us feel like we are horrible for everything that we have sent us that we need to repent for our whole existence as like, going from embryo to sperm is actually a sin itself. So we're born with so much already on our shoulders.John Fiege I was gonna say Catholic guilt, but I feel like at this point, it's so much broader than that. Yeah, it is. So you work with the Center for cultural power. And, and one of the main projects you've done with them is climate woke. And I'd like to start by saying how much i'd love the artwork of the logo. It says climate woke. And it's in, in the style of this fabulous flashback 1980s airbrushed t shirts, with, you know, rainbow colors and sparkles. And it feels like there's so much meaning embedded in the artwork. And I wondered if you could tell me about climate woke, how the project emerge, but also like how this logo artwork reflects what this project is.Layel Camargo Yeah, so we when we started thinking about what climate woke would be, we didn't know what's going to be called climate woke it was through several meetings with different community partners, different funders and other stakeholders, where we kind of discussed that we wanted a unifying symbol for all the communities that we had been meeting and we kind of landed that we wanted something to look good to represent black Dan Brown young people between the ages of 16 to 25, something that was appealing that somebody would wear with pride. And, you know, at the time, there was a lot of like, different stuff coming up around the importance of wokeness. The it wasn't used as how we use it now, which is like political correctness. It's, it's, it's not where it is now. And so we decided to kind of ride on the, the term itself climate woke, which talks about uses black vernacular very intentionally that this is a racialized issue. And we spoke with several leaders in the black community, and at the time, it felt like it made sense. And, and so we kind of quickly were like, this makes sense kind of work. We want people to wake up to a climate crisis, but also be like down and enjoy it. And that it's different than this doom and gloom narrative that we constantly see when it comes to the environment. As it is kind of depressing when you think about it. But so we wanted it to feel like inviting. And at the time, which I think was like 2017 2018. All these like 90s was like coming back. So we sat with like two or three potential designers, and we didn't really like what we saw. And then it was heavy and agile that he Guess who is kind of a co creator of this. Also, like a globally recognized artist who was like, hold on, I got this and just like hopped on her computer through some colors, did some and we were like, We love it. Like we just love it. We wanted it to be bright. We wanted it to be inviting. And I feel like we've been successful just two weeks ago actually got a text from my executive producer who works on the planet. Well, content, it was like to send a photo of like, I believe it was a young male of color about 21 or 22 years old wearing a climate woke t shirt. And she was like, do you know where that's from? And he was like, No, I have no idea. And I was like, that's how, you know, we succeeded. Because we popularize something, we made it look so good. People don't necessarily need to make the connections, but they'll be promoting our work. And I'm sure and I get so many compliments when I wear t shirts and sweaters. And so she she told him to look up the videos. And you know, she sent me the photo. And she's like, we've I think we've succeeded. And I was like, I think we succeeded, I think we have you know. But at this moment, we are considering evolving the terminology because it doesn't feel as honoring. And we definitely are very sensitive to the fact that we use black vernacular intentionally. And it's time to kind of give it back and think through like what other ways can we popularize other terms to kind of help. It's about it's about to help kind of build the community because it was about building a group of people kind of drawing in a certain community that wouldn't necessarily be about it. And I feel like that to me was like a, we did it. We did it.John Fiege Yeah, it's it's it's definitely one of those terms that the the right has co opted and really done a number on they. Yeah, they're they're good at stealing those terms and turning them on their head. And usually, honestly, as a as a weapon back the other direction. Can you turn down your volume just to hear again, just noticing when you get excited? I get excited so much. Alright, how's that? Right? Great. Yes. So in a couple of your videos, you talk about what being climate milk means to you. And you say it means one, standing up for communities of color and communities most impacted by climate change, to complicating the conversations on climate in the environment. And three, doing something about it. Can you take me through each of these and break them down a bit?Layel Camargo Yeah, so the first one is, can you repeat it again, that's the firstJohn Fiege standing up for communities of color and communities most impacted by climate change,Layel Camargo right? That's right. Yeah, I've said it so much. And we actually haven't even recorded anything because of the pandemic. So I'm like, I haven't said it in a while. Yeah, standing up for communities of color. I think that that one to me specifically spoke to that. We need black, brown and indigenous people to feel protected and seen when it comes to the climate and environmental crisis. And that's everything from activating people in positions of power to empowering the people who come from those communities to know that this is an intersectional issue. I think that the climate crisis traditionally was like a lot of visuals of melting ice caps, a lot of visuals of the polar bears and you It's interesting because as we're getting more people narrative, I feel like the, we need to get a little bit more people narrative. And we need to return those images a little bit back, because the IPCC report has just been highlighting the rapid rates in which we were losing ice. And I think that when I initially thought of this at the time, there wasn't highlights of how indigenous people were protecting the large scale biodiversity that we have on the planet. There wasn't stories of, you know, urban, black or brown youth trying to make a difference around solutions towards climate change. And so I kind of made it my purpose that climate woke represent those demographics that we that I was important for me that black, brown and indigenous people of color were at the center of the solutions. And the complicated conversations and do something about it was that I actually feel like we have a crisis of binary versus complexity in our society. And I think that how we've gotten into this climate crisis is because everything's been painted. So black and white for us, that if you want a job, you have to be harming the planet, if you want to be unemployed, then. And then like all these hippies that are fighting to save the trees, they're taking away your job, you know. So I feel like there's so many ways in which our trauma responses just look for the patterns have been used against us. And it just felt really important for me, that people feel comfortable to complicate as much as possible, where we're gonna need different angles and different ways of looking at solutions that we need to embrace experimentation, where we need to embrace failures, and we need to really let go of these ideas that technology is going to come in and save us technology is a big reason why we got into this mess. And so I think that complicating the conversation to me was about this is like, if you are black, brown, indigenous, and you want to be a part of the climate crisis, but you have no way of integrating yourself besides talking about gender oppression, go for it, look at look at the leaders in this movement, and look at how many women are fighting and protecting, you know, at a larger global scale that don't get the visibility that they deserve. So I feel like that was my aim is to really invite that complexity. And then let's do something about it is that I don't want things to get stuck on the dialog. One of the biggest failures of the United Nations when addressing these crisises is that they don't have global jurisdiction. So they cannot actually mandate and or enforce a lot of these, it's usually done through economic influence, or like if one if we can get a first world to sign on to a certain agreement, then hopefully, they'll all do it. But then who ends up in implementing it, usually it's not the United States and Europe is not the first one to do it. And yet, we are the biggest global polluters on almost every sector you can think of. And I think that the do something about it is, for me a call to action, that we can talk about this, we can try to understand carbon emissions, methane emissions, global greenhouse, carbon markets, carbon, sequestering drawdown methods, we can talk about it. But if we're not doing it, putting it to practice while integrating these other two points, which is centering communities of color, and embracing the complexity of that, then it's nothing, it's pointless. We're just we're just allowing corporations to keep exploiting the planet and governments can keep, you know, sitting back and saying that they're doing something because they're convening people without actually regulating and putting down their foot for us. So, yeah, I think it was trying to summarize just my general feelings of this movement and the ways that there's been just lack of opportunities by not centering certain other people or allowing there to be more complexity.John Fiege Yeah, there's, I find, watching how those un meetings go down. So frustrating. Yes, just, you know, Time after time. It's just maddening. I'd have a hard time working in that space.Layel Camargo Yeah, I think I was fortunate enough to take I voluntarily took like a law class at pace, Pace University, pace law University, and one of the classes was United Nations policy, and so I got to witness the sub All meetings before that big meeting where Leonardo DiCaprio came out and said that we had a climate crisis, which everybody googled what the climate crisis was, I think it was called climate change. It was like the most time climate change was googled in the history of mankind. And I was sitting in those meetings and just seeing how it really is just a lot of countries just try not to step on each other's toes, because relationships translate into the economic sector, that I'm like, wow, y'all, like legit, don't care about the people you're representing?John Fiege Yeah. Yep. Yeah, it's crazy. Well, I wanted to talk a bit about what environmental justice means to you. And I thought we could start with your video called a power to rely on. And in your crudest, you include a statistic in the video that says in the US 75% of all houses without electricity, are on Navajo land. And, and then one of the people you interview in the video with Leah, John's with a group called native renewables, says, whoever controls your water and your power controls your destiny. And that's really powerful statement. Can Can you talk a bit about your experience working on this video, and how it impacted your thinking about environmental justice?Layel Camargo Yeah, so I, I realized that I'm really passionate about renewable energy and alternatives to energy capturing, probably through working on this video. And when we were first thinking about what themes we were going to cover, that's usually how I approached most of the climate world videos as I tried to talk to a few community partners. But mostly, I just do a lot of like, cultural observation, just like what are some of the themes that feel that are kind of resonating for people outside of the sector. So what's resonating for folks outside of the environmental justice world, and, you know, land back native sovereignty is something that's been popularized, especially after the Standing Rock camp, the no dapple camp, and I was noticing that it was kind of dwindling down. But a lot of data was coming up around the fact that a lot of indigenous communities are either sitting around and or holding and protecting 80% of the global biodiversity. And so something that how I approached this video was I wanted to show the native sovereignty piece with the land back as well as my passion for alternatives to our current energy use. And what Haley Johns is somebody who was recommended to me by Jade bug guy who's also featured in the videos, a dear close, like cultural strategist, filmmaker, co conspire in the sector. And she would I had initially approached her and said, I want ndn collective, which is what she works to kind of help us think through the script. And she said, Yeah, we're down and like, we trust you, like, we know you're gonna get the story, right, but we're down. And so it was, it was very easy for us to start with that. And then when I was like, Who do I talk to? They're like, you need to talk to a hayleigh. And I was like, Alright, let's talk to a healer. And so I flew out to Arizona, just to have a scout meeting with her, which I felt like I was chasing her down, because we didn't know she was going to be in Flagstaff, or if she was going to be near Phoenix, like we didn't know. So we were flying in. And we were like, Where are you today? She's like, I'm at my mom's house. I'm with my mom at this hotel. And we're like, Alright, we're coming through. So it felt very, like family off the bat, which now she has been nominated for I forget the position, but it's the internal affairs of Indian energy, energy efforts and some sort. So she's she's doing it at a federal level now. And when I was when I was working on this video, and I had talked to her and I interviewed her as she was giving me a lot of these numbers, and I just realized that, you know, the irony of this country is just beyond what we could imagine. You have a lot of these coal mines that help fuel some of the larger energy consuming cities and in the United States, like Vegas, like la that just consume energy at such high rates that are being powered by coal mines in Navajo or near Navajo Denae reservations. And yet, I was hearing about what halos program and her efforts were just trying to get funding and or subsidies from the government in order to put solar panels on folks his house because the infrastructure doesn't exist. And she was running she's letting me know about that. cost, she's like at $75,000 per house. And then we in order to like run the lines, and that's not even including the solar panel infrastructure. And then if they can't, we can't run the lines, and we're talking about batteries. And she was breaking this all down, I'm like, that is a lot of money. We need to get you that money. And then she started just educating us more through that. So I think I went into this video just knowing that I was going to try to make those connections. But what I realized was that I was actually going in to learn myself, just how much I need to humble myself with the realities that communities who have had less to nothing in certain things, everything from food, to energy to water, have made alternatives that they are, they've already created the solutions like we found one of the elders who had put up one of the first solar panels and Hopi reservation, which I highlighted in my video, she got it 30 years ago, like I, I was flabbergasted that she had the foresight, and the way that she articulated was everything from comfort to entertainment. But at the end of the was she knew she needed power. And she runs a business, the local business won a very few on the reservation that she was passionate enough to keep alive. And so this video just showed me that like, wherever you go, where there has been disenfranchisement, that's where you will find solutions. Because a lot of people have just making do for a long time, it just hasn't been seen, it hasn't been highlighted. Those are the people that like the UN should be talking to the you know, our federal government should be listening to.John Fiege Yeah, and I actually wanted to talk to you about Janice de who's the Hopi elder that you mentioned. And, you know, in particular, how it relates to how depth and skillful you are communicating with people from a wide range of backgrounds. in you, you you use humor a lot. And in this power to rely on video, you're sitting down with Janice day. And talking about how she's one of the first people to get solar power 30 years ago. And you asked her whether the first thing she charged with solar power would be a vibrator. And that was that was that was really funny. And all of a sudden, I'm watching with anticipation, asking myself, how is this woman going to react to that question? And you seem to have such a good read on the people you're speaking with. And I was hoping you could talk a bit more about how you communicate so many, so well and so many in so many different spaces and how you consciously or unconsciously lubricate the relationships with humor.Layel Camargo Yeah, I've been I I think a lot of it is my passion for humor has come from has been maintained by a lot of data and information that I've gotten around just the importance of people being able to process things through laughter. And that the climate crisis is nothing to make mockery and or to laugh, there's this is very serious. The ways in which our species is kind of being at threat of extinction, and right before our eyes. But I think that as humans, we're so complex and layered, and we're so beautiful in the sense that we get to feel so intensely and feeling is what motivates us to take action. And laughter helps you process so much data quicker, it helps you be able to take something in, embrace it, release, and then have it make an impression that is the one line that everybody brings up with that video. So I made the impression. And I hope that people watched it and then wanted to show it to other people. And so I think that, that that knowledge has retained my passion for humor. And then like I said, You know, I grew up in an abusive home where we had to process things fairly quickly in order to be able to function in the world to go to school to go to work. And growing up in a home where there was a lot of violence. I learned how to read people very keenly everything from anticipating when something was going to happen tonight, and I speak about that pretty like nonchalantly because I think a lot of us have a lot of strategies and skills that we've developed because of our traumas and our negative experiences that we've had in the world. And I think they don't often get seen as that we'll just say like, Well, I was just really I'm just really good at reading people and we'll leave it at that and it's like, but what is your learn that from like, there have been many chronic situations where you had to be really good at reading people in order for you to like practice it so clearly in it skillfully. And so I think I honor my experience in that in order for me to do that. And then I think cultural relativity and cultural content petencies is another thing like, Janice de actually reminds me a lot of my grandmother and my grandmother was somebody who was very religious. And at the same time, I always loved pushing her buttons. I would just like try to say things to get her activated. And I knew at the end of the day, she loved me. And that was about it. I didn't have to question whether she loved me because she was upset that I asked her something and appropriately. So I think it's a combination of that. And I'm grateful that I can embody that and be able to offer it to people who are curious about climate change and and feel more invited through laughter than they would about doom and gloom or heavy statistic videos and our ways of gathering information.John Fiege Awesome. Well, another kind of video you made is called consumerism, cancelled prime. And the first shot is you waiting while the camera crew sets up the shot and you're putting items in your Amazon cart on your phone. And then the quote unquote real video begins. And and you say 80% of California's cargo goes through the Inland Empire. And then you yell along expletive that's beeped out. And you ask emphatically his climate, wrote, his climate woke about to ruin amazon prime for me. And and I love how rather than just saying Amazon, or Amazon customers are bad. You're starting by implicating yourself in this system that leads to serious environmental justice issues. And again, it's really funny. Can you talk more about the situation with Amazon and other real retailers? And and how you went about positioning yourself in this story, and using humor again, and self criticism to connect to the audience?Layel Camargo Yeah, I mean, when we first started working on this video, we explore different avenues of that opening scene, when we wanted to highlight community members, I kind of at this point, have a pretty good like tempo of what it is that I want. I want a community member I want somebody who's like academic or scientifically based, and then somebody else who kind of comes in allows her to be more of a creative flow. So we have a pretty good structure at this point of the voices that we seek, we just didn't know how we wanted to hook the audience. And we went back and forth quite a bit on this, the thing that kept coming up was amazon prime memberships are very common. Most people have them most people buy on e commerce and this is pre COVID. And I was keenly aware of that I also knew that Amazon was growing as a franchise to now own Whole Foods that were just like expanding in regards to what it is that they offer people online. And as I mentioned, I, through my passion for reduction of plastic usage and plastic consumption, and plastic waste, I understand the ways that ecommerce has really hurt the planet. So I myself am not an Amazon Prime member, I I don't actually buy online and I allow myself when needed one Amazon thing a purchase a year. And it's like kind of more of a values align thing. So in order for me to reach connecting with somebody who's kind of a little bit more normal in regards to needing to rely on buying online, is I just had to exaggerate what I think happens when you're shopping, which is you look at a lot of stuff, you add them to cart, you get really excited, and then you kind of mindlessly click Buy without knowing what's going to happen. But you're excited when it arrives, surprisingly, because maybe you bought it in the middle of the night while drinking some wine and watching some Hulu. So that's like what I was trying to embody. And then what I was really trying to highlight in this video was I wanted to invite audiences to not feel shame about what they do, like we are we've all been indoctrinated by the system through what our education has taught us. Like we have values of individualism and patriotism and all these things, because that's what we were taught in schools. And that's been used and co opted by corporations in order for us to continue exploiting other humans and the planet. And that's by no fault of our own. That's a design that's an economic model that was designed since the Great Depression. It's just the way that it's been exaggerated and has scaled so quickly is beyond our control where our governments don't even regulate it anymore at the ways in which they should be. And I think that I wanted this to feel like it's not just on you as an individual, but it's specifically if you live in Europe or in the United States. You need to know that we are The biggest consumers on the planet, we have the most economic resources. We actually, if even a fraction of the United States decided to stop shopping at Amazon, we could significantly bring that Empire down. I say Empire pretty intentionally. And we could I mean, I feel like you. And that's and how I understand economics is that all you need to do is impact 10 to 20%. of supply and demand chain in order for a whole corporation to collapse. The problem is, is that our governments always come in to aid these large corporations that are hurting us on the planet by saying that they want to maintain jobs and maintain a GDP are going stock market, which they're reliant on. So this video was meant for audiences. And for people to feel like this is not just on you. But if you live

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Send us a Text Message.Ever wonder how a modest village transformed into the Wild West's most infamous cowboy capital? Join us as we uncover the electrifying rise of Dodge City, from its economic boom fueled by the Western Trail to its diverse and lively social scene. Feel the pulse of Dodge City's nightlife as we recount the impact of the Can-Can performance that set the town ablaze in 1878. From the Variety Saloon's brief yet impactful run to thrilling altercations involving legends like Bat Masterson, Doc Holliday, and Wyatt Earp, the stories are as wild as the West itself. Get ready for dramatic tales of Eddie Foy's interrupted performances and the tragic shooting of George Hoyt. Lastly, we'll connect you with the Western Cattle Trail Association for more insights, and invite you to share your thoughts and subscribe for future episodes. Don't miss our next exploration of the Battle of Adobe Walls and its significant role in the Buffalo trade economy.Support the Show.Return of the Great HuntersCattle Drives WebsiteLegends of Dodge City WebsiteOrder Books

Tarrasque na Bota apresenta: Maldição de Strahd, uma aventura do RPG D&D 5e. Episódio 10 – Morcegos, Corvos e a Dançarina de Cancan. Após um combate mortal contra um formidável … O post TnB#289: MDS1E10 – Morcegos, Corvos e a Dançarina de Cancan | RPG D&D 5e apareceu primeiro em RPG Next.

Tarrasque na Bota apresenta: Maldição de Strahd, uma aventura do RPG D&D 5e. Episódio 10 – Morcegos, Corvos e a Dançarina de Cancan. Após um combate mortal contra um formidável inimigo, Bulgor, o Bárbaro, e Renesmee, a Bruxa Giomorgo, são traídos pela fada que os contratou. Separados do restante do grupo, são enviados para os planos do pavor nas terras de Baróvia, onde a única maneira de escapar é enfrentar o responsável por capturá-los: o Primeiro Vampiro, Conde Strahd Von Zarovich.   Referência Bibliográfica: Livro do Jogador - D&D 5e ← clique para comprar Dungeons & Dragons Core Rulebook Gift Set ← clique para comprar  ATENÇÃO: Esse podcast é recomendado para maiores de 16 anos. Com a participação de: Vinicius Watzl Shelly Gustavo Zattoni Roberta Manaa Thiago Araújo como o Mestre da Aventura Edição de: Vinicius Watzl Uma produção RPG Next. Indicações Fabulosas APP das Cartas Críticas para D&D 5e APOIE NOSSA CAUSA! Nosso Plano de Assinaturas do APOIA.SE! Acesse e veja nossas recompensas para os apoiadores. JOGUE RPG CONOSCO !!! Procurando uma mesa ou um mestre para jogar PRG? Participe das nossas campanhas como recompensa do nível de apoio THE GAMERS. Entre em contato por email ou por WhatsApp para ver a disponibilidade de vagas para a mesa. Além disso, confira nossos serviços de mestres de aluguel. Mais informações no link: https://www.rpgnext.com.br/loja/ https://rpgnext.com.br/doadores/ COMPARTILHE! Se você gostou desse Podcast de RPG, então não se esqueça de compartilhar! Nosso site é https://rpgnext.com.br, Nossa Campanha do Apoia.se: apoia.se/rpgnext Facebook RpgNextPage, Grupo do Facebook RPGNext Group, Instagram RPG Next Oficial, Twitter @RPG_Next,  Canal do YouTube,  Vote no iTunes do Tarrasque na Bota e no iTunes do RPG Next Podcast com 5 estrelas para também ajudar na divulgação! DEIXE SEU FEEDBACK! Se quiser deixar seu feedback, nos envie um e-mail em contato@rpgnext.com.br ou faça um comentário nesse post logo abaixo. Seu comentário é muito importante para a melhoria dos próximos episódios. Beleza? Muito obrigado pelo suporte, pessoal! Links para MÚSICAS e SFX sob a licença Creative Commons Freesounds.org – https://www.freesound.org/ Tabletop Audio – http://tabletopaudio.com/ Kevin MacLeod em Incompetech – http://incompetech.com/music/royalty-free Free PD - https://freepd.com/ Alexander Nakarada - https://alexandernakarada.bandcamp.com/ Free Stock Music - https://www.free-stock-music.com  Chibola Productions - https://assetstore.unity.com/publishers/6561 Impatient by Sascha Ende Link: https://filmmusic.io/song/3006-impatient License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ End Titles Extended Version (Romeos Erbe) by Sascha Ende Link: https://filmmusic.io/song/3158-end-titles-extended-version-romeos-erbe- License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Bama Country - Country de Kevin MacLeod link: Fonte: http://incompetech.com/music/royalty-free/index.html?isrc=USUAN1100359 License: licenciada de acordo com a licença Atribuição 4.0 da Creative Commons. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Free Music Archive: Welcome to the Free Music Archive - Free Music Archive HoliznaCC0 - Western ShowDown Punk Rock Opera - Aftermath HoliznaCC0 - Dear Old Dad A Sad Toy Story by Sascha Ende Free download:  Free Download: A Sad Toy Story by Sascha Ende on Filmmusic.io License (CC BY 4.0):  Standard License Rise Of The Kingdoms [the better version] by Sascha Ende Free download: Free Download: Rise Of The Kingdoms [the better version] by Sascha Ende on Filmmusic.io License (CC BY 4.0):  Standard License Lazy Cat Groove by Sascha Ende Free download:  Free Download: Lazy Cat Groove by Sascha Ende on Filmmusic.io License (CC BY 4.0):  Standard License Contato

A short while ago I chatted at episode 152 with Clare Needham, Curator at the Bendigo Art Gallery all about their amazing current exhibition Paris: Impressions of Life 1880-1925. This exhibition finishes on Bastille Day next week, so I popped back yesterday to see all the fabulousness there with friends who are just as crazy about all things French as I am! I had a petit chat with mes amies afterwards which is included in this episode.The Paris: Impressions of Life 1880-1925 exhibition takes visitors on a journey through the lively and picturesque streets of historic Paris with real footage of life as it was, as well as artworks and even advertising posters, fashion and other artefacts dotted through the gallery. There are seven themed rooms or pathways, which take us through the most iconic parts of Paris. We discovered artisan street signs alongside wonderful posters and maps of Paris as well as fascinating footage of bustling marketplaces and grand boulevards. We wandered virtually through the jardins of Paris, saw some beautiful historic couture, immersed ourselves in artworks depicting life on the banks of the Seine, the Tour Eiffel and the heady atmosphere of bohemian Montmartre with artworks by Toulouse Lautrec and footage of the Can Can. This exhibition has more than 170 works of art and artisan objects reflecting on a period of great social change, urban development and artistic innovation which shaped the modern Paris that we love today. The Paris: Impressions of Life 1880-1925 exhibition at the Bendigo Art Gallery and the Electric Wonderland light show both end on Bastille Day, 14 July 2024. If interested in the Normandy Retreat mentioned in this episode, email Jane: janehiscock@chateaudujonquay.com For free tickets to the Loulabelle's champagne soirée in Prahran, Melbourne this Thursday 11 July 2024, head to the LFF website and click the link in the post for episode 158.**Louise Prichard is the host of the Loulabelle's FrancoFiles podcast.**Other Loulabelle's links:FrancoFile Fix on YouTubeLoulabelle's FrancoFiles Spotify Playlist Loulabelle's FrancoFiles InstagramLoulabelle's FrancoFiles website

After an extended podcast break Adam talks with Liz Bayley about pain, injury, and rehab in performers and dancers. Liz has years of experience as a professional dancer and with working as a physio with performers and dancers.  In this episode we discuss the joys and difficulties of working with dancers, the most common myths and misconceptions about injury and dancers, and finally if Adam could do a Can-Can. Liz can be found on Twitter/X here And her website can be found here 

You have to try really hard to not have fun around Kate Voss and Jason Goessl (a.k.a. Sundae + Mr. Goessl). They are two of the most fun people you could possibly know. Fun is in their DNA and everything they do. Their vintage styled music? Fun! Their vintage image? Fun! They even have a vintage styled bar-boutique called Can Can that has the slogan, Have fun fun at Can Can! What they have accomplished as a couple is nothing short of incredible. From touring with Kate Voss & the Hot Sauce to running their own Sun Goose Records label and studio to their biggest project to date, Kate and Jason keep it all fun and fancy!"I Love My Baby Better" performed by Sundae + Mr. Goesslwritten by Nicole Blaze and Kate Voss℗ 2020 Sun Goose Records. Used with permission of Kate Voss & Jason Goessl."Makes My Heart Sway" performed by Jason and the Jazzerknotswritten by Jason Goessl℗ 2024 Sun Goose Records. Used with permission of Jason Goessl."Deed I Do" performed by Sundae + Mr. Goesslwritten by Fred Rose and Walter Hirsch℗ 2022 Sun Goose Records. Used with permission of Kate Voss & Jason Goessl."Darlene" performed by Sundae + Mr. Goesslwritten by Kate Voss and Jason Goessl℗ 2020 Sun Goose Records. Used with permission of Kate Voss & Jason Goessl.Support the showVisit Into The Music at https://in2themusic.com!Support the show: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/intothemusic E-mail us at intothemusic@newprojectx.com YouTube Facebook Instagram INTO THE MUSIC is a production of Project X Productions, Appleton, WI.Producer: Rob MarnochaRecording, engineering, and post production: Rob MarnochaOpening theme: "Aerostar" by Los Straitjackets* (℗2013 Yep Roc Records)Closing theme: "Close to Champaign" by Los Straitjackets* (℗1999 Yep Roc Records)*Used with permission of Eddie AngelThis podcast copyright ©2024 by Project X Productions. All rights reserved.

The Champions of Italy met the Champions of Spain in the Champions League last night, so why did it feel so underwhelming? Today, Dotun, Andy and Nicky Bandini answer that and also outline why a last 16 exit would be worse for Barcelona than it would be for Napoli.Elsewhere, they explain why Marko Arnautović isn't the replacement striker that Inter Milan need and why a lack of stability could make Bayern Munich very unappealing to a new coach. Plus, Andy gives us an update on how long Bochum played the Can Can after scoring against Bayern at the weekend.Ask us a question on Twitter, Instagram and TikTok, and email us here: otc@footballramble.com.For ad-free shows, head over to our Patreon and subscribe: patreon.com/footballramble.***Please take the time to rate and review us on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your pods. It means a great deal to the show and will make it easier for other potential listeners to find us. Thanks!*** Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Kölns erfolgreichster Musikexport: Über 100 Bühnenwerke komponiert Jacques Offenbach. 1858 feiert er mit "Orpheus in der Unterwelt" seinen größten Erfolg. Die Satire auf die Pariser Oberschicht gilt als Geburtsstunde der Operette und enthält mit dem "Cancan" einen frivolen Welthit. Von Christoph Vratz.

Sie gelten als Guilty Pleasure in der Musikwelt: Operetten sind heiter, leicht und sentimental. Oder?

To celebrate France's love of culture, we're revisiting some of our favorite episodes featuring francophone artists and performers. This episode, the story of Monika, who has been dancing the French Cancan in Paris since the 1960s. Stick around until the end for an update on what Monika has been up to since the first episode aired! A transcript of this episode is available at https://podcast.duolingo.com/french.

DAMN YANKEES  Book by Douglass Wallop & George Abbott | Music & Lyrics by Jerry Ross & Richard Adler | Based on the novel The Year the Yankees Lost the Pennant by Douglass WallopWorks Consulted & Reference :Damn Yankees (Libretto) by Douglass Wallop & George AbbottDamn Yankees (Revised Libretto) by Joe DiPietroDamn Yankees (1958 Film) Directed by George AbbottFosse by Sam WassonSense of Occasion by Hal PrinceThe Secret Life of the American Musical by Jack ViertelMusic Credits:"Overture" from Dear World (Original Broadway Cast Recording)  | Music by Jerry Herman | Performed by Dear World Orchestra & Donald Pippin"The Speed Test" from Thoroughly Modern Millie  (Original Broadway Cast Recording) | Music by Jeanine Tesori, Lyrics by Dick Scanlan | Performed by Marc Kudisch, Sutton Foster, Anne L. Nathan & Ensemble"Why God Why" from Miss Saigon: The Definitive Live Recording  (Original Cast Recording  / Deluxe)  | Music by Claude-Michel Schönberg, Lyrics by Alain Boublil & Richard Maltby Jr.  | Performed by Alistair Brammer"Back to Before" from Ragtime: The Musical (Original Broadway Cast Recording)  | Music by Stephen Flaherty, Lyrics by Lynn Ahrens | Performed by Marin Mazzie"Chromolume #7 / Putting It Together" from Sunday in the Park with George (Original Broadway Cast Recording)  | Music & Lyrics by Stephen Sondheim | Performed by Mandy Patinkin, Bernadette Peters, Judith Moore, Cris Groenendaal, Charles Kimbrough, William Parry, Nancy Opel, Robert Westenberg, Dana Ivey, Kurt Knudson, Barbara Bryne"What's Inside" from Waitress (Original Broadway Cast Recording)  | Music & Lyrics by Sara Bareilles | Performed by Jessie Mueller & Ensemble"Whatever Lola Wants" from Damn Yankees (Original Broadway Cast Recording)  | Music & Lyrics by Jerry Ross & Richard Adler | Performed by Gwen Verdon"Maria" from The Sound of Music (Original Soundtrack Recording)  | Music by Richard Rodgers, Lyrics by Oscar Hammerstein II | Performed by Evadne Baker, Anna Lee, Portia Nelson, Marni Nixon"My Favorite Things" from The Sound of Music (Original Soundtrack Recording) | Music by Richard Rodgers, Lyrics by Oscar Hammerstein II | Performed by Julie Andrews"Corner of the Sky" from Pippin (New Broadway Cast Recording) | Music & Lyrics by Stephen Schwartz | Performed by Matthew James Thomas“What Comes Next?” from Hamilton (Original Broadway Cast Recording) | Music & Lyrics by Lin-Manuel Miranda | Performed by Jonathan Groff

I'm preparing for my 5th-level Black Belt test. As part of the test, we have to create and perform a series of movements - with or without weapons - to show the Grandmaster and test board that we're capable at this level.  Oh, and it has to be 100% unique and created from scratch. So this is high-stakes stuff. I know I need to come up with something that I've never done before. Ideas start coming to me and I dismiss them one by one, like train cars passing by. Then, it hits me! I'm a storyteller and an Improv performer. Even though this is a Martial Arts test, I need to tell a story that's never been told before. Now, this is already an unusual approach since most martial artists aren't thinking about going to the mat to tell a story. Yet in my case, it needs to happen because this is how I think and who I am. I come up with a fantastic narrative. I'm in Tokyo enjoying my tea when I go over to the window. Suddenly, intruder after intruder comes through it and attacks me! I started doing all types of maneuvers, using household items around me as weapons to disarm and dispose of the invaders. In the end, it's just me sipping on my glass of tea with all this carnage on the floor around me. And while I can't prove it, I swear I see a little moisture in the Grandmaster's eyes… and he normally doesn't show his emotions. And that's the power of a great story. You know you've done good when your audience can feel what you (or the characters in your story) feel. And that brings me to my special guest today, Sarah Jenkins, who is a master at bringing comedic stories to life without saying a word. In this episode of the Storytelling School Podcast, you'll learn how she does it through choreography and imagery and get answers to questions like: What makes comedic short-form storytelling so special? Why does harder not equate to being better in story form? How can you know why an organic joke (not written on the page) lands for an audience or not? And what kind of mistake should you avoid that a lot of storytellers and speakers make? What you will learn in this episode: What it means to be “in service of the joke” in comedic storytelling Why the steps you take as you tell your story don't matter What has to be in your story to make it memorable and effective Who is Sarah? Sarah Marie Jenkins is a California native residing in NYC. She has been dance captain and associate choreographer for numerous shows, as well as the choreographer for Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt on Netflix, Mr. Mayor on NBC, and Girls 5 Eva on Peacock.  Recently, she starred as Peter Pan in the first ever remounting of Jerome Robbins Broadway at the MUNY, as well as in the Cathy Rigby version of the show (as her successor). Before that, Sarah was seen as Jennyanydots in the revival of CATS on Broadway. She has also been on Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, Law & Order: SVU, and performed on the Today Show and Bonnie Hunt Show.  Her national tours and musical work include Legally Blonde, Peter Pan with Cathy Rigby, Guys & Dolls, Swing!, Can-Can, Honeymoon in Vegas, and The Nutty Professor (directed by Jerry Lewis). When she's not working on the stage or screen, Sarah has a successful photography business specializing in headshots for actors of all ages.  Links and Resources: @SarahMJenkins on Instagram @SarahJenkinsPhoto on Instagram Storytelling School Website @storytellingschool on Instagram @storytellingSchool on Facebook

Continuez à découvrir l'histoire de La Goulue, la plus célèbre des danseuses de French Cancan ! Dès l'âge de 16 ans, la carrière de danseuse de La Goulue est lancée. Elle fait la rencontre de Lucienne Beuze, danseuse professionnelle et reine du cancan. C'est avec elle que La Goulue apprend les figures incontournables du French cancan. Car oui, le cancan est une danse très codifiée ! La danseuse se produit alors sur scène, lorsqu'elle est repérée par les gérants d'un tout nouvel établissement de spectacle qui va ouvrir dans quelques mois… Ce n'est autre que le Moulin Rouge. La Goulue régnera sur le lieu pendant 6 ans. En 1895, La Goulue a 29 ans. Elle est épuisée par ces années de danse, et elle est enceinte. La danseuse se retire de scène, et investit dans une baraque de forain pour continuer le spectacle. Mais c'est la fin de son grand succès. La Goulue retournera une dernière fois au Moulin Rouge en 1925, à 59 ans, pour un dernier adieu. 'Au cœur de l'histoire' est un podcast Europe 1 Studio. Ecriture et présentation : Virginie Girod - Production : Camille Bichler- Direction artistique : Adèle Humbert et Julien Tharaud - Réalisation : Clément Ibrahim - Musique originale : Julien Tharaud - Musiques additionnelles : Julien Tharaud et Sébastien Guidis - Communication : Kelly Decroix avec Lisa Soster- Visuel : Sidonie Mangin

Découvrez le destin de La Goulue, la plus célèbre danseuse de French Cancan ! Louise Joséphine Weber, alias La Goulue, est née en 1866 dans la banlieue parisienne. Dès l'âge de deux ou trois ans, la petite se passionne pour la danse. Elle a ça dans le sang. Son père lui apprend même le chahut, à savoir l'art de lever la jambe. Alors que Louise grandit, la danse la passionne toujours autant. Elle passe du temps dans les bals quand elle ne travaille pas dans une blanchisserie avec sa mère. C'est à cette époque que La Goulue rencontre Valentin, dit “Valentin le désossé”. Les deux jeunes gens s'entendent tout de suite, et pour cause : ils partagent la même passion pour la danse. Le duo qu'ils forment se produira sur de nombreuses scènes parisiennes, dont le Moulin Rouge, pendant près de neuf ans. 'Au cœur de l'histoire' est un podcast Europe 1 Studio. Ecriture et présentation : Virginie Girod - Production : Camille Bichler- Direction artistique : Adèle Humbert et Julien Tharaud - Réalisation : Clément Ibrahim - Musique originale : Julien Tharaud - Musiques additionnelles : Julien Tharaud et Sébastien Guidis - Communication : Kelly Decroix avec Lisa Soster- Visuel : Sidonie Mangin

In the sixteenth episode of Season 9 (Keep It Musical!) Kyle is joined by screenwriter Gio Maldonado and filmmaker Daniel Lopez to discuss the riotous and celebratory period piece about the creative spirit, the progress of moral provocation, and the unity of talent collaboration in Jean Renoir's ode to both the bohemian artists of France and the colorful and grand MGM musicals of America in French Cancan (1955).

Written & Starring Stephen WinchellAudio Production & Recording by Adam GoronDirected by Lara UnnerstallMusic by Takuya Yoshida & Stephen WinchellREFERENCES:1. For example, did you know Marty had a pet owl named Plato? (Cheers S4E18 The Peterson Principle)2. He would later look back at those four years as the best of his life. (Frasier S8E7 The New Friend)3. The young scholar truly jumped right in, pledging a fraternity right away. He went through a hazing process and although the details are vague, the rituals included handcuffs and/or a strapless brassiere. (Frasier S2E3 The Matchmaker)4. His passion for the subject was reignited after he attended an epidemiology seminar by one Dr. Bagely. (Frasier S7E16 Something About Dr. Mary)5. He played “Man #2” in a production of ‘Can Can,' and the experience made him seriously consider giving up psychology for the arts. (Cheers S8E9 Two Girls for Every Boyd”)6. He acted throughout his years as an undergraduate and later appeared as the Pirate King in the Pirates of Penzance' (Frasier S4E14 To Kill a Talking Bird), Col. Fairfax in Yeoman of the Guard (Frasier S5E9 Perspectives on Christmas) , Cyrano De Bergerac in Cyrano De Bergerac (Cheers S8E20 Fifty-Fifty Carla), and as Dr. Armstrong in Agatha Christie's Ten Little Indians. (Frasier S1E19 Give Him the Chair)  7. At Harvard, Frasier rowed crew (Frasier S8E7 The New Friend), played squash competitively (Frasier S5E17 Perfect Guy), and used fencing to relieve his stress. (Cheers S5E15 Spellbound)8. Unsurprisingly, Frasier began to dabble in activism - he started wearing crystals, he dissolved herbs under his tongue and listened to whale flute music while exploring alternative medications. (Cheers S10E10 A Fine French Whine)9. Frasier composed a poem called ‘Bangladesh, Dhaka Before the Dawn.' He performed it one night at a gathering called The Human Collective. (Frasier S9E2 Don Juan in Hell Part 2)10. Frasier got along wonderfully with her cat Bobo Black Paws (Cheers S10E16 One Hugs, the Other Doesn't)11. In 1974, still an undergrad and very much in love, Frasier Crane married Nanette Guzman. (Cheers S10E16 One Hugs, the Other Doesn't)12. It was a little, clandestine affair completely lacking in ceremony. They both dashed off to City Hall, and afterwards had a little celebration. Nanette invited 50 friends, but 70 showed up to enjoy the free food and drink. (Frasier S11E15 Caught in the Act)13. they would have incredibly intense fights about nothing at all. (Frasier S11E15 Caught in the Act)14. Frasier graduated in 1975 with a major in psychology and a minor in music (Frasier S3E1 She's The Boss)15. He studied with Dr. Bennet Ludlowe, an author, innovator and educator. Frasier saw the man as an idol and inspiration. (Cheers S3E13 Whodunnit)16. He also studied at the feet of Dr. William Tewksbury, a man Frasier considered as his mentor. (Frasier S8E9 Frasier's Edge)17. He began to manifest many symptoms he was studying about in his textbooks, leading to an unfortunate summer in 1975 when he became impotent. (Frasier S3E20 Police Story)18. He too joined a fraternity - Phi Beta Kappa (Frasier S1E15 You Can't Tell a Crook By His Cover)  19. and became something of a fixture on the Yale stage. He played Tartuffe in Molière's play of the same name, and Yale Daily News said he had ‘the magnetism of Marlon Brando, the charm of Danny Kaye, and the range of Laurence Olivier.' (Frasier S4E18 Ham Radio)20. [Niles] took impromptu trips to Vegas (Frasier S2E13 Retirement Is Murder), and even stole another man's fiance. (Frasier S11E21 Detour)21. During his senior year he was rocked by a series of misfortunes. After contracting mono, he missed four weeks of classes. He studied round the clock to catch up on this missing work but right before final exams, his girlfriend broke up with him - to start dating his roommate. Niles had a nervous breakdown. He was found curled up in a freezer bin at a nearby grocery store. (Frasier S11E8 Murder Most Maris)22. Frasier meanwhile graduated with honors in 1979, specializing in Psychosocial Behaviorism. (Frasier S1E15 You Can't Tell a Crook By His Cover)23. During his time in England Frasier continued to row, even winning a championship with the Oxford team. (Frasier S6E7 The Seal who Came to Dinner)  24. He still found time to act, appearing in the Spring Musical as Yum Yum in Gilbert and Sullivan's The Mikado. One of his costars was Dr. Simon Finch-Royce (playing Miti-Sing), who would later become a leading expert and best selling author who specialized in marriage. (Cheers S5E21 Simon Says) (Frasier S3E4 Leapin Lizards)25. It didn't help that he had fallen face first into some poison ivy. He still attended - as a blotchy, itchy mess. He ended up sitting with the most pathetic people there: the Chess Club's Barbershop Quartet known as The Checkmates. (Frasier S6E2 Frasier's Curse)26. She learned to play pool (Frasier S1E15 You Can't Tell a Crook By His Cover), she discovered psychic abilities (Frasier S8E20 The Wizard And Roz), and even starred in a children's TV show called “Mind Your Knickers.” (Frasier S1E9 Selling Out)

On this episode of Bravo Bravo Effing Bravo, we break down Episode 2 of the Real Housewives of New York City Season 14, 'Oh Christmas Tree!' and Episodes 2 and 3 of Below Deck Down Under Season 2, 'Floating Circus' and 'Ice, Ice, Baby.'  Join Nathan and Mariana as they offer a blunt Aussie perspective of our favourite people in our favourite world of Bravoland. You can also follow us on Instagram and Twitter @effingbravo for podcast updates, tea, and Bravo news.  On this episode of RHONY: Erin hosts the group at her sprawling Hamptons home, but champagne and caviar leaves some of the ladies hangry for more. Jessel reveals intimate information about her marriage. On these episodes of Below Deck Down Under: The charter guests continue to be on edge with each other; a new stew comes aboard, giving the interior relief while captivating the deck team; a crew member over-commits to the Cancan; a surprise kiss threatens to ruin the party. Then, a complicated love triangle threatens to make things awkward on deck; the CEO is back for another round of fun; the guests have an icy request; a deck crew member overlooks his duties, resulting in one of the guests getting a cutting surprise. Follow Bravo Bravo Effing Bravo: @effingbravo on Instagram and Twitter Follow Nathan: @nathanbrown90 on Instagram and Twitter

Floating CircusBelow Deck Down Under: Season 2, Episode 2The charter guests continue to be on edge with each other; a new stew comes aboard, giving the interior relief while captivating the deck team; a crew member over-commits to the Cancan; a surprise kiss threatens to ruin the party.Ice, Ice, MaybeBelow Deck Down Under: Season 2, Episode 3A complicated love triangle threatens to make things awkward on deck; the CEO is back for another round of fun; the guests have an icy request; a deck crew member overlooks his duties, resulting in one of the guests getting a cutting surprise.Nutrafol Save 15% using code FRAUDEarninDrizlyFactor 75 Save using code FRAUDCAST50Join our Facebook GroupVisit our website for merch!Follow Lexi on InstagramFollow Katrina on InstagramFollow the Show on InstagramSUBSCRIBE TO OUR BRAND NEW YOUTUBE CHANNEL!Our Sponsors:* Check out Drizly: https://drizly.comSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-fraudcast/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

J. Darrin Gross I'd like to ask you, Roland  Gib Stewart, what is the Biggest Risk?   Roland Gib Stewart  I think right now, the biggest risk is the availability of money. Okay, so we got a lot of money available today, right? So in July, when we, the country hits its debt limit, what's going to happen? Are we going to all collapse? Is this whole thing going to just the glass is going to break? And we're going to all be wondering, Can Can, can I really get the money out of my credit card? I want to eat this week. I'm having fun. How do I continue this? So my biggest concern right now is that somebody's gonna push us over the edge, which I think will damage the entire world's economy, and our country will never be covered. And I don't want that for my kids or my grandkids.   

Join me today as I discuss my struggle with worry and anxiety, specifically regarding my aging parents. I explore the negative effects of worrying on our bodies and identify five common triggers for anxiety. I share 6 practical tips to deal with worry, including seeking God's guidance, practicing gratitude, and choosing thoughts carefully. Throughout the episode, I provide personal examples and relevant Bible verses to encourage you to find peace, joy, and a healthier perspective in the midst of uncertainty. I encourage you to make your own CAN / CAN'T CONTROL LIST and then to surrender those things you cannot control to God. He will do all the CARING and CARRYING for you! Target verses (some paraphrased): Matthew 6:33: Seek God's kingdom and His righteousness above all else. 1 Peter 5:7: Cast all your anxiety on him because he cares for you. Philippians 4:6-7: Do not be anxious but to present your requests to God with thanksgiving. Joshua 1:8: Keep this Book of the Law always on your lips; meditate on it day and night. Isaiah 41:10: Do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand. Philippians 4:8: Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things. Jeremiah 6:16: Thus says the LORD: 'Stand by the roads, and look, and ask for the ancient paths, where the good way is; and walk in it, and find rest for your souls. Colossians 3:2: Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. CONNECT WITH VICTORIA: EMAIL choose2think@gmail.com ⁠⁠⁠WEBSITE⁠⁠⁠  www.choose2think.co ⁠⁠⁠MENTORING⁠⁠⁠ www.choose2think.co/coaching.html ⁠⁠⁠YOUTUBE⁠⁠⁠ www.youtube.com/channel/UCz8Z2B9TtXvWn0RKelVY5DQ ⁠⁠⁠FACEBOOK⁠⁠⁠ www.facebook.com/groups/choose2think ⁠⁠⁠INSTAGRAM⁠⁠⁠ www.instagram.com/victoriadwalkerlydon/ *⁠⁠⁠CHOOSE 2 THINK DEVOTIONAL⁠⁠⁠ https://amzn.to/3Hcl7v1 Get your FREE 7 Rs by investing in the devo! *⁠⁠⁠CHOOSE 2 THINK JOURNAL⁠⁠⁠  https://amzn.to/3WvinND SPECIAL MENTION: ⁠ULTIMATE GRATITUDE GUIDE⁠: https://mailchi.mp/212e3731644c/ultimategratitudeguide *When you click on these Amazon affiliate links, I may earn a teeny commission from qualifying purchases at no extra cost to you. Thank you for your support! DISCLAIMER: The Choose 2 Think Inspirational Podcast is for educational and entertainment purposes only. Please consult your physician or doctor for all medical advice and counsel. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/victoria-d-lydon/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/victoria-d-lydon/support

Turn up the DANCEHALL and get ready to CANCAN. There's no time to be tired on this week's episode of T&B! Janis joins us for BUGLING; Jenn anatomizes the APPENDIX; and NYTimes SpellingBee group admins Pat and Keith show up for a very social CONVO that might just get C back on Facebook.

Joël has been integrating a third-party platform into a testing pipeline...and it has not been going well. Because it's not something she usually keeps up-to-date with, Stephanie is excited to learn about more of the open-source side of things in Ruby, what's new in the Ruby tooling world, and what folks are thinking about regarding the future of the language. Today's topic is inspired by an internal thoughtbot Slack thread about writing a custom matcher for Rspec. Stephanie and Joël contrast DSLs vs. Object APIs and also talk about: CanCanCan vs Pundit RSpec DSL When is a DSL helpful? Why not use both DSLs & Object APIs? Extensibility When does a DSL become a framework? This episode is brought to you by Airbrake (https://airbrake.io/?utm_campaign=Q3_2022%3A%20Bike%20Shed%20Podcast%20Ad&utm_source=Bike%20Shed&utm_medium=website). Visit Frictionless error monitoring and performance insight for your app stack. RubyKaigi 2023 (https://rubykaigi.org/2023/) Mystified by RSpec's DSL? by Jason Swett (https://www.codewithjason.com/mystified-rspecs-dsl-parentheses-can-add-clarity/) Building Custom RSpec Matchers with Regular Objects (https://thoughtbot.com/blog/building-custom-rspec-matchers-with-regular-objects) FactoryBot (https://github.com/thoughtbot/factory_bot) Writing a Domain-Specific Language in Ruby by Gabe Berke-Williams (https://thoughtbot.com/blog/writing-a-domain-specific-language-in-ruby) Capybara (https://teamcapybara.github.io/capybara/) Acceptance Tests at a Single Level of Abstraction (https://thoughtbot.com/blog/acceptance-tests-at-a-single-level-of-abstraction) CanCanCan (https://github.com/CanCanCommunity/cancancan) Pundit (https://www.capvidia.com/products/pundit) Discrete Math and Functional Programming (https://www.amazon.com/Discrete-Mathematics-Functional-Programming-VanDrunen/dp/1590282604) Transcript: STEPHANIE: Hello and welcome to another episode of The Bike Shed, a weekly podcast from your friends at thoughtbot about developing great software. I'm Stephanie Minn. JOËL: And I'm Joël Quenneville. And together, we're here to share a little bit of what we've learned along the way. STEPHANIE: So, Joël, what's new in your world? JOËL: I've been integrating a third-party platform into our testing pipeline for my client. It has not been going well. We've been struggling a little bit, mostly just because tests just kind of crash. Our testing pipeline is pretty complex. It's a lot of one script, some environment variables, does a few things, shells out to another script, which is in a different language. Does a few more things, shells out to another script, maybe calls out to rake, calls out to a shell script. There are four or five of these in a chain, and it's a bit of a mess. Somewhere along in there, something is not compatible with this third-party service that we're trying to integrate with. I was pairing this week with a colleague. And we were able to reproduce a situation where we were able to get a failure under some conditions and a success under other conditions. So these are basically, if we run the whole chain of scripts that call each other from the beginning, we know we get a failure. And if we skipped entirely the chain of scripts that set up things and then just manually try to invoke a third-party service, that works. And so now we know that there's something in between that's incompatible, and now it's just about narrowing things down. There are a few different approaches we could take. We could try to sort of work our way forward. We know a known point where it breaks and then just try to start the chain one step further and see where it fails. We could try to get fancy and do a binary search, like split it in half and then half and half again. We ended up doing it the other way, where we started at the end. We had our known good point and then just stepping one step back and saying, okay, now we introduce the last script in the chain. Does that work? Okay, that pass is great. Let's go one step further; two scripts up in the chain. And at some point, we find, okay, here's the one script that fails. Now, what is it within this script? And it was a really fun debugging session where we were just narrowing things down until we found the source of the bug. STEPHANIE: Wow, that sounds pretty complicated. It just seems like there are so many layers going on. And it was really challenging to pinpoint where the source of the issue was. JOËL: Definitely. I think all the layers made it really complicated. But having a process that we could follow and then kind of narrowing it down made it almost mechanical to figure out where the bug was once we got to a point where we had a known good point and a known bad point. STEPHANIE: Yeah, that makes sense. Kind of sounds like if you are using git bisect or something like that to narrow down the scope of where the issue could be. I'm curious because this is like a bunch of shell scripts and rake tasks or commands or whatever. What would have made this debugging process easier? JOËL: I think having fewer scripts in this chain. STEPHANIE: [laughs] That's fair. JOËL: We don't need so many scripts that call out to each other in different languages trying to share data via environment variables. So we've got a bit of a Rube Goldberg machine, and we're trying to patch in yet another piece in there. STEPHANIE: Yeah, that's really tough. I was curious if there was, I don't know, any logging or any other clues that you were getting along the way because I know from experience how painful it is to debug that kind of code. JOËL: It's interesting because I feel like normally logging is something that's really useful. In this particular case, we run into an exception at some point. So it's more of under what conditions does the exception happen? The important thing was to find that there is a point where it breaks, and there's a point where it doesn't, and realizing that if we ran some of these commands just directly without going through the whole pipeline, that things did work and that we were not triggering that exception. So all of a sudden, now that tells us, okay, something in our pipeline is wrong. And then we can just start narrowing things down. So yeah, adventures in debugging. Sometimes it's really frustrating, but then when you have a good process, and you find the bug, it's incredibly satisfying. STEPHANIE: I like that you used a process that can be applied to many different problems, in this particular case, debugging a testing pipeline. Maybe not something that we do every day, but certainly, it comes up, and now we have tools to address those kinds of issues as well. JOËL: So my week has been up and down with all of this debugging. What's been new in your world? STEPHANIE: I've been doing some travel planning because I'm going to RubyKaigi in Japan. JOËL: Whoa. STEPHANIE: This is actually going to be my first international conference, so I'm really looking forward to that. I just have never been compelled to travel abroad to go to a tech conference. But I'm really looking forward to going to RubyKaigi because now I've been to the U.S.-based conferences a few times. And I'm excited to see how things are different at an international conference and specifically a RubyKaigi because, obviously, there's a lot of really cool Ruby work happening over there in Japan. So I'm excited to learn about more of the open-source side of things of Ruby, what's new in the Ruby tooling world, and just what folks are thinking about in terms of the future of the language. That's not something I normally keep super up-to-date on. But I'm excited to be around people who do think and talk about these things a lot and maybe get some new insights into my own work. JOËL: Do you find that you tend to keep up more with some of the frameworks like Rails rather than the underlying language itself? STEPHANIE: Yeah, that's a good question. I do think because the framework changes a little more frequently, new releases are kind of more applicable to the work that I'm doing. Whereas language updates or upgrades are a little bit less top of mind for me because the point is that it doesn't have to change [laughs] all that much, and we can continue to work with things as expected and not be disrupted. So it is definitely like a whole new world for me, but I'm really looking forward to it. I think it will be really interesting and just kind of a whole other space to explore that I haven't really because I've usually been focused on more of the web development and industry work side of things. JOËL: What's a Ruby feature that either is coming out in the future or that came out in the last couple of releases that got you really excited? STEPHANIE: I think the conversation about typing in Ruby is something that has been on my radar but has also been ebbing and flowing over time. And I did see a few talks at RubyKaigi this year that are going to talk about how to introduce gradual typing in Ruby. And now that it has been out for a little bit and people have been using it, how people are feeling about it, pros and cons, and kind of where they're going to take it or not take it from there. JOËL: Have you done much TypeScript? STEPHANIE: I have been working more in TypeScript recently but did spend most of my front-end work coding days in JavaScript. And so that transition itself was pretty challenging for me where I suddenly felt a language that I did know pretty well. I was having to be in that...in somewhat of a beginner's mindset again. Even just reading the code itself, there were just so many new things to be looking at in terms of the syntax. And it was a difficult but ultimately pretty rewarding experience because the way I thought about JavaScript afterwards was much more refined, I think. JOËL: Types definitely, I think, change the way you think about code; at least, that's been my experience. STEPHANIE: Yeah, absolutely. I haven't gotten the pleasure to work with types in Ruby just yet, but I've just heard different experiences. And I'm excited to see what experts have to say about it. JOËL: That's the fun of going to a conference. STEPHANIE: Absolutely. So yeah, if any listeners are also headed to RubyKaigi, yeah, look out for me. JOËL: I was recently having a conversation with someone about the fact that a lot of languages provide ways to sort of embed many languages within them. So the Lisp family of languages are really big into macros and metaprogramming. Some other languages are big into giving you the ability to build your own ASTs or have really strong parsing capabilities so that you can produce your own, again, mini-language. And Ruby does this as well. It's pretty popular among the Ruby community to build DSLs, Domain-Specific Languages using some of Ruby's built-in abilities. But it seems to be a sort of universal need or at the very least a universal desire among programmers. Have you ever found yourself as a code author wanting to embed a sort of smaller language within your application? STEPHANIE: I don't think I have, to be honest. It's a very interesting question. Because I think the motivation to build your own mini-language using Ruby would have to be you'd have to have a really good reason for it, and in my experience, I haven't quite encountered that yet. Because, yeah, it seems like a lot of upfront work, a lot of overhead to introduce something like that, especially if it's not necessarily either a really, really particular domain that others might find a use for, or it just doesn't end up seeming worthwhile if I can just write regular, old Ruby code. JOËL: I think you're not alone. I think the Ruby community has been kind of a bit of a pendulum here where several years ago, everything that could be made into a DSL was. Now the pendulum kind of has been swinging the other way. And we see DSLs, but they're not quite as frequent. For those who maybe have not experienced a DSL or aren't quite familiar with the concept, how would you describe the idea? STEPHANIE: I think I would describe domain-specific languages as a bit of a mini-language that is created for a very particular problem space in mind to make development for that domain easier. Oftentimes, I've also kind of seen people describe the benefit of DSLs as being able to read that language as if it were plain English. And so, in my head, I have kind of, at least in the Ruby world, right? We see that a lot in different gems. RSpec, for example, has its own internal DSL, and many people really enjoy it because it took the domain of testing. And the way you write it kind of is how you might read or understand it in English. And so it's a bit easier to talk about what you're expecting in your tests. JOËL: Yeah, it's so high-level and minimal and domain-specific that it almost stops feeling like it's a programming language and can almost feel like it's a high-level configuration for this very particular domain, sometimes even to the point where the idea is that a non-programmer could read it and understand what's going on. STEPHANIE: I think RSpec is actually one of the first Ruby DSLs that you might encounter when you're learning Ruby for the first time. And I've definitely seen developers who are new to Ruby, you know, they're writing code, and they're like, okay, I'm ready to write a test now. And the project uses RSpec because that's what most of us use in our Rails applications. And then they see, like you said, almost a configuration language, and they are really confused. They're not really sure what they're reading. They struggle with the syntax a lot. And it ends up being a point of frustration when they're first starting out if they're not just copying and pasting other existing RSpec tests. I'm curious if you've seen that before. JOËL: I've definitely seen that. And it's a little bit ironic because oftentimes, an argument for DSL is that it makes things simpler that you don't even have to know Ruby; you can just write it. It's simpler. It's easier to write. It's easier to understand. And to a certain extent, maybe that's true. But for someone who does know Ruby and doesn't know your particular little domain language, now they're encountering something that they don't know. And they're having to learn it, and they're having to struggle with it. And it might behave a little bit weirdly compared to how Ruby normally works. And so sometimes it doesn't make it easier for adoption. But it does look really good in a README. STEPHANIE: That's totally fair. I think the other thing that's interesting about RSpec is that a lot of it is really just stylistic. I actually read a blog post by Jason Swett and the headline of it was "Mystified by RSpec's DSL? Some parentheses can add clarity." And he basically goes on to tell us that really RSpec is just leaning on some of Ruby's syntactic sugar of omitting parentheses for method calls. And if you just add the parentheses back in your it blocks or your describes, it can read a lot more like regular Ruby. And you might have a better time understanding what's going on when you realize that we're just passing our descriptors as arguments along with some blocks. JOËL: That's ironic given that oftentimes, the goal of these is to make it look like not Ruby. STEPHANIE: I agree; it is ironic. [laughs] MID-ROLL AD: Debugging errors can be a developer's worst nightmare...but it doesn't have to be. Airbrake is an award-winning error monitoring, performance, and deployment tracking tool created by developers for developers that can actually help cut your debugging time in half. So why do developers love Airbrake? It has all of the information that web developers need to monitor their application - including error management, performance insights, and deploy tracking! Airbrake's debugging tool catches all of your project errors, intelligently groups them, and points you to the issue in the code so you can quickly fix the bug before customers are impacted. 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JOËL: I think another drawback that I've seen with DSLs is that they oftentimes are more limited in their capabilities. So if the designer of the gem didn't explicitly think of your use case, then oftentimes, it can be really hard to extend or to support edge cases that are not specifically designed for that language in the way that plain Ruby is often much more flexible. STEPHANIE: Yeah, that's really interesting because when a gem does have some kind of DSL, a lot of effort probably went into making that the main interface that you would work with or you would use. And when that isn't working for your use case, the design of the underlying objects may or may not be helpful for the changes that you want to make. JOËL: I think it's interesting that you mentioned the underlying objects because those are often sort of not meant for public consumption when you're building a gem that's DSL forward. I think, in many cases, my ideal gem would make those underlying objects the primary interface and then maybe offer DSL as a kind of nice-to-have layer on top for those situations that maybe aren't as complex where writing things in the domain language might actually be quite nice. But keeping those underlying objects as the interface, it's nice to use and well-documented for the majority of people. STEPHANIE: Yeah, I like that too because then you can get the best of both worlds. So speaking of trying to make a DSL work for you, have you ever experienced having to kind of work around the DSL to get the functionality you were hoping to achieve? JOËL: So I think we're talking about the idea of having both a DSL and the underlying objects. And RSpec is a great example of this with their custom matchers. RSpec itself is a DSL, but then they also offer a DSL to allow you to create custom matchers. And it's not super well documented. I always forget how to define them, and so I oftentimes don't bother. It's just kind of too much of a pain for something that doesn't always provide that much value. But if it were easy, I would probably do it more. Eventually, I realized that you could use just regular Ruby objects as custom matchers. And they just seemed to respond to certain methods, just regular old objects and polymorphism. And all of a sudden, now I'm back into all of the tools and mechanisms that I am familiar with, like the back of my hand. I can write objects all day. I can TDD them. I can apply any patterns that I want to if I'm doing something really complicated. I can extract helpers. All of that works really well with the knowledge that I already have without having to sink a lot of time into trying to learn the built-in DSL. So, for the most part, now, when I define custom matchers, I'll often jump directly to creating a regular object and making it conform to the matcher interface rather than relying on the DSL for that. So once we go back to the test, now we're back in DSL land. Now we're no longer talking in terms of objects so much. We'll have some nice methods and they will all kind of read like English. So to pull a recent example that I worked on, I might say something like expect this policy object method to conform to this truth table. STEPHANIE: That's a really interesting example. It actually kind of sounds like it hits the sweet spot of what you were describing earlier in the sense that it has a really nice DSL, but also, you can create your own objects, and that has an interface that you can implement. And yes, have your cake and eat it too. [laughs] But the idea that then you're kind of converting it back to the DSL because that is just what we know, and it has become so normalized. I was talking earlier about okay; when is a DSL worthwhile? When is the use case a good reason to implement it? And especially for gems that I think that are really popular that we as a Ruby community have collectively used most of the time on our projects because we have oftentimes a lot of the same problems that we're solving. It seems like this has become its own shared language, right? JOËL: Yeah, there are definitely some DSLs that we all end up learning because they're just so prominent in the Ruby community, even Rails itself ships with several built-in DSLs. STEPHANIE: Yeah, absolutely. FactoryBot is another one, too. It is a gem by thoughtbot. And actually, in preparation to talk about DSLs with you today, I scoured our blog and found a really great blog post, "Writing a Domain-Specific Language in Ruby" by Gabe Berke-Williams. And it is basically like, here's how to write something like FactoryBot and creating your own little mini Ruby DSL for something that would be very similar to what FactoryBot does for fixtures. JOËL: That's a great resource, and we'll make sure to link that in the show notes. We've been talking about some of the limitations of DSLs or some aspects of them maybe that we personally don't like. What are maybe examples of DSLs that you do enjoy working with? STEPHANIE: Yeah, I have an example for this one. I really enjoy using Capybara's DSL for acceptance testing. I did have to go down the route of writing some custom selectors for...I just had some HTML elements within kind of a complicated table and was trying to figure out how to write some selectors so that I could write the test as if it were in, you know, quote, unquote, "plain English" like, within this table, expect some value. And that was an interesting journey. But I think that it really helped me have a better understanding of accessibility of just the underlying building blocks of the page that I was working with. And, yeah, I really appreciate being able to read those tests from a user perspective and kind of know exactly what they're doing when they're interacting with this virtual browser without having to run it in headful mode and see it for myself. JOËL: It's always great when a DSL can give you that experience of abstracting enough to where it makes the code delightful to work with while also not having too high a cost to learn or being too restrictive in what it allows you to do. Would you make a difference between something that's a DSL versus maybe just code that's written at a higher level of abstraction? So maybe to get back to your example with Capybara, it's really nice to have these nice custom matchers and all of these things to work with HTML pages. If I'm writing, let's say, a helper method at the bottom of a test, I don't think that feels quite like it's a DSL yet. But it's definitely a higher level than specifying CSS selectors. So would you make a difference between those two things? STEPHANIE: That's a good question. I think it's one of those you know it when you see it kind of questions because it just depends on the amount of abstraction, like you mentioned, and maybe even metaprogramming. That takes something from the core language to morph into what you could qualify as a separate language. What do you think about this? JOËL: Yeah, part of me almost wonders if this exists kind of on a continuum, and the boundary might be a little bit fuzzy. I think there might be some other qualifications that come with it as well. Even though DSLs are typically higher-level helpers, it's usually more than just that. There are also sort of slightly different semantics in the way that you would tend to use them to the point where while they may be just Ruby methods, we don't use them like Ruby methods, and even to the point that we don't think of them as Ruby methods. To go back to that article you mentioned from Jason, where just reminding people, hey, if you put params on this, all of a sudden, it helps you remember, oh, it's just a Ruby method instead of being like, oh, this is a language keyword or something. STEPHANIE: Yeah, I wonder if there's also something to the idea of domain specificity where it should be self-service within the domain that you're working. And then it has limitations once you are trying to do something separate from the domain. JOËL: Right, it's an element of focus to this. And I think it's probably also a language is not just one helper; it's a collection typically. So it's probably a series of high-level helpers, potentially. They might not be methods, even though that is ultimately one of the primary interfaces we use to run code in Ruby. So it's a collection of methods that are high-level, but the collection itself is focused. And oftentimes, they're meant to be used in a way where it's not just a traditional method call. STEPHANIE: Right. There's some amount of you bringing to the table your own use case in how you use those methods. JOËL: Yeah, so it might be mimicking a language keyword. It might be mimicking the idea of a configuration. We see that a little bit with ActiveRecord and some of the, let's say, the association and validation APIs. Those kind of feel like, yes, they're embedded in a class, but they feel like either keywords or even just straight-up configuration where you set key-value pairs of things to configure how a particular class is going to work. STEPHANIE: Yeah, that's true for a lot of things in Rails, too, if we're talking about routes and initializers as well. JOËL: So I've complained about some things I don't like about DSLs. I really like the routing DSL in Rails. STEPHANIE: Why is that? JOËL: I think it's very compact and readable. And that's an element that's really nice about DSLs is that it can make things feel very readable and, oftentimes, we read code more often than we write it. And routes have...I was going to say fewer edge cases, but I have seen some really gnarly route files that are pretty awful to work with, especially if you're mostly writing RESTful controllers, and I would recommend that people do. It's really nice to just be able to skim through a route file and be like, oh, these are the resources in my app and the actions I can do on each resource. And here are the ones that are nested. STEPHANIE: Yeah, it almost sounds like a DSL can provide guardrails towards the recommended way of tackling that particular domain. The routes DSL really discourages you from doing anything too complicated because they are encouraging you to follow the Rails convention. And so I think that goes back to the specificity piece of if you've written a DSL, it's because you've thought very deeply about this particular domain and how common problems show up and how you would want people to be empowered by the language rather than inhibited by it. JOËL: I think, thinking more about that, the word that comes to mind is declarative. When you read code that's written with DSLs, typically, it's very declarative. It's more just describing a thing as opposed to either procedural, a series of commands to do, or even OO, where you're composing objects and sending messages to each other. And so problems that lend themselves to being implemented through more descriptive and declarative approaches probably are really good candidates for a DSL. STEPHANIE: Yeah, I like that a lot because when we talk about domains, we're not necessarily talking about a business domain, which is kind of the other way that some folks think about that word. We're talking about a problem space. And the idea of the language being declarative to describe the problem space makes a lot of sense to me because you want it to be flexible enough for different use cases but all within the idea of testing or browser navigation or whatever. JOËL: Yeah. I feel like there's a lot of... there are probably more problems that can be converted to declarative solutions than might initially kind of strike you. Sometimes the problem isn't quite as bounded. And so when you want customizations that are not supported by your DSL, then it kind of falls apart. So I think a classic situation that might feel like something declarative is authorization. Authorization are a series of rules for who can access what, and it would seem like this is a great case for a DSL. Wouldn't it be great to have just one file you can just kind of skim, and we can just see all of the access rules? Access rules that are basically asking to be done declaratively. And we have gems like that. The original CanCan gem and then the successor CanCanCan are trying to follow that approach. Have you used either of those gems? STEPHANIE: I did use the CanCanCan gem a while ago. JOËL: What was your experience with that style of authorization? STEPHANIE: It has been a while but I do remember having to check that original file of like all the different authorizations kind of repeatedly coming back to it to remember, okay, for this rule, what should be allowed to happen here? JOËL: So I think that's definitely one of the benefits is that you have all of your rules stored in one place, and you can kind of scan through the list. My experience, though, is that in practice, it often kind of balloons up and has all of these edge cases in it. And in some earlier versions, I don't know if that's still a problem today, it could even be difficult to accomplish certain things. If you're going to say that access to this particular object depends not on properties of that object itself but on some custom join or association or something like that, that could be really clunky to do or sometimes impossible depending on how esoteric it is or if there's some really complex custom logic to do. And once you're doing something like that, you don't really want to have that logic in your...in this case, it would be the abilities file but inside because that's not really something you express via the DSL anymore. Now you're dropping into OO or procedural world. STEPHANIE: Right. It seems a bit far removed from where we do actually care about the different abilities, especially for one-off cases. JOËL: That is interesting because I feel like there's a bit of a read-versus write-situation happening there as well. It's particularly nice to have, I think, everything in one abilities file for reading and for auditing. I've definitely been in code where there's like three or four ways to authorize, and they're all being used inconsistently, and that's not nice at all. On the other hand, it can be hard with DSL sometimes to customize or to go beyond the rules that are built in. In the case of authorization, you've effectively built a little mini-rules engine. And if you don't have a good way for people to add custom rules without just embedding procedural code into your abilities file, it's going to quickly get out of hand. STEPHANIE: Yeah, that makes sense. On the topic of authorization, you did mention an example earlier when you were writing a policy object. JOËL: I've generally found that that's been my go-to pattern for authorization. I enjoy the Pundit gem that provides some kind of light scaffolding around working with policy objects, but it's a general pattern, and you can absolutely write your own. You don't need a gem for that. Now we're definitely not in the DSL world. We're not doing this declaratively. We're leaning very heavily on OO and saying we're just going to create objects. They talk to each other. They can do anything that any Ruby object can do and as simple or as complex as they need to be. So you have the full power of Ruby and all the patterns that you're used to using. The downside is it is a little bit harder to read and to kind of just audit what's happening in terms of permission because there's no high-level overview anymore. Now you've just got to look through a bunch of classes. So maybe that's the trade-off, flexibility, extensibility versus more declarative style and easy overview. STEPHANIE: That makes a lot of sense because we were talking earlier about guardrails. And because those boundaries do exist, that might not give us the flexibility we want compared to just writing regular Ruby objects. But yeah, we do get the benefit of, like you said, auditing, and at least if we don't try to do some really gnarly, custom stuff, [laughs] something that's easier to read and comprehend. JOËL: And, again, maybe that's where in the best of both worlds situation, you say, hey, I'm creating some form of rules engine, whether it's for describing routes, or authorization, permissions, or users can build custom business rules for a product or something like that. And it's all object-based under the hood. And then, we provide a DSL to make it nice to work with these rules. If a programmer using our gem wants to write a custom rule that just really extends what the ones we shipped can do, allow them to do that via the object API. We have all the objects available to you that underlie the DSL. Add more rules yourself. And then maybe those can be plugged back into the DSL like we saw with the RSpec and custom matchers. Or maybe you have to say, okay, if I have a custom rule object, now I have to just stay in the object space. And I think both of those solutions are okay. But now you've sort of kept those two worlds separate and still allowed people to extend. STEPHANIE: I like that as contributing to the language because language is never static. It changes over time. And that's a way that people can continue to evolve a language that may have been originally written at a certain time and place. JOËL: Moving on from DSLs, we got some listener feedback recently from James, who was listening to our episode on discrete math. And James really appreciated the episode and wanted to share a resource with us. This is the book "Discrete Math and Functional Programming" by Thomas VanDrunen. It's an introduction to discrete math as a theoretical concept taught side by side with the very practical aspect of learning to use the language standard ML, and both of those factor into each other. So you're kind of learning a little bit of theory and some practice, at the same time, getting to implement some discrete math concepts in standard ML to get a feel for them. Yeah, I've not read this book, but I love the concept of pairing a theoretical piece and a practical piece. So I'll drop a link to it in the show notes as well. Thank you, James. STEPHANIE: Yeah, thanks, James. And I guess this is just a little reminder that if our listeners have any feedback or questions they want to write in about, you can reach us at hosts@bikeshed.fm. JOËL: On that note. Shall we wrap up? STEPHANIE: Let's wrap up. Show notes for this episode can be found at bikeshed.fm. JOËL: This show has been produced and edited by Mandy Moore. 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En este episodio muy especial de Songmess tenemos otra oportunidad recopilatoria donde hablamos brevemente con artistas y colegas que no se podían quedar fuera de nuestra serie ecuatoriana. Hoy nos acompañan Denisse Santos de Can Can, Charly Espinosa de Alkaloides, Pancho Feraud a.k.a. Abbacook, André Farra, Fiebre, Menino Gutto, Brian Elmo del sello Arthursocialclub, e Iván Orellana. El episodio también viene cargado con un playlist contundente asi que denle play y déjense llevar! Playlist: Latorre, Xužu - “Amor y Miel” Catpot, Denisse Santos, Daniel Pacheco - “Sendas Distintas” Can Can - “Mayday” Alkaloides - “Astral Dopamina” Alkaloides - “Alone” Abbacook - “Fácil” Biera, Chloe Silva - “Miedo a Amar” André Farra - “Nitro” Gardenias - “La Ciudad” Fiebre - “Play” Fiebre - “Feroz” Burual - “Archangel” Menino Gutto - “Picos” Lolabum, Menino Gutto - “Shorty” Miel - “Lilas” Brian Elmo - "770" Rosero, Michelle Espinosa - "Desde Aquí" Midfug - "Inside Your Mind" Letelefono, Pastizales, Peter Goodend - “Amigos” Neoma - “Real” Denisse Santos Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/estaesmivoz/ Can Can Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cancanbanda/ Can Can Bandcamp: https://can-can.bandcamp.com/ Can Can Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/3UnXjvGGd9YjFIDivDjZMv?si=GHJfiBmZTTaTKbcoy-w2og Alkaloides Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/alkaloides/ Alkaloides Bandcamp: https://losalkaloides.bandcamp.com/ Alkaloides Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/3EuxYSlJqnkPSr0adIH0kK?si=aYKILYD5RhWnra3OECLIsA Pancho Feraud Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/panchoferaudm/ Abbacook Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/abbacook/ Abbacook Bandcamp: https://abbacook.bandcamp.com/ Abbacook Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/11teMrCZ2iEch5ufwIlKz5?si=LXleuOzTSDGe3FxLEuj0fg André Farra Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/andre_farra/ André Farra Bandcamp: https://andrefarra.bandcamp.com/ André Farra Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/3Wbc5rj5148ohtww6uJ0oz?si=3d3DqVCnR7uOgMoVPBk0Vg Fiebre Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/1800fiebre/ Fiebre Bandcamp: https://1800fiebre.bandcamp.com/ Fiebre Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/2C0r0f1ek76DLNLb6ls8ro?si=eQmM9J_ARWeW9WrRlv4EGQ Menino Gutto Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/meninogutto/ Menino Gutto Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4eX5jYwqeLxnUZcBszdrws?si=GxwWzGd9TwGc1PyJbh8hww Arthursocialclub Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/arthursocialclub/ Brian Elmo Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/briaanelmo/ Brian Elmo Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/5kkkCdX56KDv0nxKRLFS6Q?si=HTzIlN5hQ_SD6tAx7a8bDg Ivan Orellana Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ivansebasorellana/ Richard Villegas Instagram: www.instagram.com/rixinyc/?hl=en Songmess Instagram: www.instagram.com/songmess/?hl=es-la Songmess Facebook: www.facebook.com/songmess/?ref=settings Songmess Twitter: twitter.com/songmess Songmess Merch: via DM #BOPS Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2sdavi01h3AA5531D4fhGB?si=efc3a78420fb429e Sigue a Songmess en Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Stitcher, Google Play o SoundCloud, y encuéntranos en Facebook, Twitter e Instagram, o contáctanos directamente a songmessmusic@gmail.com

Truth, beauty, freedom, and that which we believe above all things: Tuberculosis.We close out Musical March with Joe's pick: “Moulin Rouge” from 2001. What an insane, Absinthe-fueled dizzy dream this was! This time around, the boys got to witness the film in all its splendor IRL at the historic Plaza Theatre in Atlanta, put on by the fabulous folks at Wussy Mag. Drag queens and a lively costume contest were just the tip of the diamond-dipped iceberg. Tune in to hear Justin's thoughts as he's brought into the world of Cancan dancing and Parisian sensibilities.Learn more about Wussy Mag and Wussy Events here: https://www.wussymag.com/ https://www.instagram.com/wussymag/https://www.instagram.com/wussyevents/--Stay up to date on all new episodes here: https://linktr.ee/ucupodcastCheck us out and follow on Instagram @‌ucupodcastTheme song produced and recorded by Matt Hobbs: http://www.heymatthobbs.com

Whelp, Alaina & Jocelyn watched "Moulin Rouge!" and boy did they hate it lol. The gals get all dressed up and ready to Can-Can their way into to the life of the Sparkling Diamond herself, Miss Nicole Kidman. A bunch of other people are in this movie too, but this movie is really about how everyone was literally terrible to Satine and she deserved better. Tune in for corsets that smell like they've been worn before, Alaina's pure hatred for this entire film, and for Molly's weekly cameo. Grab our Janet • Velvet Rosé Candle!

Jean-Luc Lemoine a séché ses larmes après la défaite du PSG en Ligue des champions face au Bayern de Munich. Mais la musique utilisée dans le stade pour célébrer les buts allemands... ça il ne s'en est toujours pas remis !

CanCan has wrapped up for another year - join the lads for an After Action Report along with guests, statistics and random cheese!

En este episodio muy especial de Songmess estamos conversando con Daniel Pasquel, cantautor, multi-instrumentista, productor y fundador de influyentes proyectos ecuatorianos como Can Can y Marley Muerto. Con más de 20 años de trayectoria, Pasquel y sus compañeros de Can Can (Denisse Santos y Andrés Benavides) fuero arquitectos de un nuevo sonido en el rock ecuatoriano, impulsados por producción electrónica y melodías novedosas. Nuestra conversación con Daniel (aka Pichu) abarca la evolución sonora del under ecuatoriano al igual que de la industria musical en un mundo post- streaming. También abarcamos proyectos paralelos, su trabajo como productor para otros artistas, la historia de su estudio La Increíble Sociedad, y detalles acerca del primer disco de Can Can en más de una década. El chisme se pone bueno así que denle play! Playlist: Can Can, Alkaloides, Mariela Condo, Marley Muerto, Da Pawn. Can Can Bandcamp: https://can-can.bandcamp.com/ Can Can YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@pichudequito Can Can Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/3UnXjvGGd9YjFIDivDjZMv?si=00xcAo6yRB61q-r9tNjLcw Can Can Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cancanbanda/ Can Can Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/cancanbanda Marley Muerto Bandcamp: https://marleymuerto.bandcamp.com/ Marley Muerto Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/5azwiZYrwLdHOJkHtnPQvl?si=8LPaR2Y_SLqIcB2BCZ-pzw Marley Muerto YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@MarleyMuerto Marley Muerto Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarleyMuerto Marley Muerto Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marleymuerto/ La Increíble Sociedad Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/laincreiblesociedad/ Richard Villegas Instagram: www.instagram.com/rixinyc/?hl=en Songmess Instagram: www.instagram.com/songmess/?hl=es-la Songmess Facebook: www.facebook.com/songmess/?ref=settings Songmess Twitter: twitter.com/songmess Songmess Merch: via DM #BOPS Playlist: open.spotify.com/playlist/2sdavi0…8574f93d798945ce

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Synopsis In the year 1858, the Parisian composer Jacques Offenbach was, as usual, busy writing his next operetta and avoiding his creditors. He found it expedient to work in hotel rooms rather than at home, where he ran the risk of being cornered by bill collectors. Offenbach hoped that maybe, just maybe, one big box office success might clear his debts — and enable him to reupholster the tattered seats in his theater, Les Bouffes-Parisiens. On today's date in 1858, the audience in those tattered seats saw the premiere of Offenbach's latest operetta: a farcical send-up of an old Greek myth. Orpheus in the Underworld was a modest success and ran well for several weeks. But just as the production would normally be closing, an important Parisian music critic attended a performance, and was shocked, shocked that Offenbach dared make fun of something so noble and edifying as Greek mythology. His outraged review generated a lively debate, especially when Offenbach slyly inserted direct quotes from the review into the operetta itself! Suddenly, Orpheus in the Underworld was the hottest ticket in Paris. Box office revenue not only paid for new upholstery, but one tune from the show, an infectious ‘Infernal Galop” would, as M. Offenbach's celebrated Can-Can, become a world-famous melody practically synonymous with Paris itself. Music Played in Today's Program Jacques Offenbach (1819-1880) Orpheus in the Underworld English National Opera Orchestra and Chorus; Mark Elder, conductor MCA 6325

Episode Notes Episode summary Andre and Margaret talk about a lot of things. They talk about recycling/reusing/remelting plastics, turning them into fuel, setting up solar power systems, setting up DIY internet, intranets and mesh networks as well as some concepts dealing with solar punk and hydroponics, and of course how most things can be easily analogized to baking a cake. Guest Info Andre can be found at www.anarchosolarpunk.substack.com, or on Twitter @HydroponicTrash or on TikTok @HydroponicTrash. Host Info Margaret Killjoy can be found on twitter @magpiekilljoy or instagram at @margaretkilljoy. Publisher Info This show is published by Strangers in A Tangled Wilderness. We can be found at www.tangledwilderness.org, or on Twitter @TangledWild and Instagram @Tangled_Wilderness. You can support the show on Patreon at www.patreon.com/strangersinatangledwilderness. Transcript Andre on Solar Power, DIY Internet, Mesh Networks, and Solar Punk Margaret 00:15 Hello, and welcome to Live Like the World is Dying, your podcast for what feels like the end times. I'm your host, Margaret killjoy. And I use 'she' and 'they' pronouns. And I am very excited about this week's episode, which I guess I probably say, most weeks. But, I'm excited to be talking to Andre, who is someone I first ran across his work because someone was just I think someone sent it to me or was showing me these, these pictures of someone who had 'hydroponic trash' as the user name, and was talking about making off grid internet through mesh networking. And I was like, "Yeah, this is up my alley," but not my alley that I've actually explored. It's a alley that I'm interested in. So I'm very excited. I think you all will be very excited. But first, this podcast is a proud member of the Channel Zero Network of anarchists podcasts. And here's a jingle from another show in the network. 01:45 Jingle Margaret 02:23 Okay, if you could introduce yourself with your name, your pronouns, and then maybe kind of a little bit about yourself about the kind of stuff that we're going to be talking about today. Like how you got into it or what you do? Andre 02:34 Yeah, for sure. My name is Andre, my pronouns are he/him. I go by Hydroponic Trash on Twitter and Tik Tok. I focus a lot on upcycling things that people would normally kind of regard as like trash, like recycling plastic containers to make indoor vertical hydroponic gardens. I'm a hacker, a gardener, a woodworker, I kind of tend to do a lot of random shit. So. I also write speculative solar punk fiction on combining technology, both low and high tech, with social change, and balancing that with the ecosystem. With that being said, I've been also kind of focusing in on infrastructure, and how people can build passive and active systems to meet their basic needs like food, water, shelter, communications, electricity. Right now, what that kind of looks like is making off grid intranet networks, off grid solar power, and some other passive projects that kind of deal with DIY off grid stuff. Margaret 03:47 Yeah! You basically just listed all of my interests. This very exciting to me. I'm going to ask at the end of the episode as well, but do you want to say where people can find like, say, for example, your speculative fiction, like, I know that you write about a lot of the stuff that you do, and you also write fiction. Where can people find that? Andre 04:03 Yeah, so mainly, I post my long form stuff on anarchosolarpunk.substack.com. So mainly post my like, long form writing on Substack. But, I post a lot of written form content and other stuff to my Twitter, HydroponicTrash and Tik Tok, I posted videos whenever I can make videos about a whole bunch of various different topics or projects that I'm working on. Margaret 04:29 That's cool. Okay, so I was gonna start with off grid internet. But first, I want to ask you about recycling plastic trash, because I'm really excited about ways to...recycling is like fake, right, these days, you know, like market based recycling? It seems like most, I don't have the numbers in front of me or whatever. But it seems like more and more if you put something in the recycling bin, it just gets thrown in the landfill. And so I'm really excited about ways that people can directly recycle. So, what does that look like that you're recycling plastic trash. Is this like melting it down? Or are you just like repurposing it or what's happening? Andre 05:03 So, at the moment, it's mostly repurposing, but I am going to start doing actual plastic recycling by melting it down and making it into other objects. But um, so right now repurposing plastic, it really started when I, like, just saw how many plastic containers there were just out in the world, I've been picking up trash in like my local park for a little bit. So, while picking up trash, it was like, it makes you really, really aware of the type of pollution that's out there in the world, because you're picking it up out of like waterways and in parks and stuff. So. it got me thinking of like, okay, well, plastic to-go containers, for instance, how do we actually like reuse these types of things. So, what I started doing was taking old Tupperware, that was just kind of sitting in my cabinet, sitting in my kitchen. And I drilled holes for it to put in net cups, which are usually used for hydroponics, and I just started growing plants in it. So trying to find some creative and different ways to not only like reuse plastic in a safe manner, but not only to reuse the plastic, but to find a new use for it. So that way, it didn't just end up going into the landfill. And it was also kind of doing something productive as well. Margaret 06:24 Yeah. Yeah, I, I got really excited when I, I people think people might have already heard me talk about this, but I'm really excited about the idea of basically like, setting up mutual aid recycling in the same way that I think that neighborhoods can compost with each other. Like, some of the infrastructure, it seems like is better put at a neighborhood level, like a small community level than like a, you know, an individual level. But I'm curious when you start repurposing it....Okay, so the things that I've come up with for plastic--I haven't done any of these things.This is all just me falling down rabbit holes on YouTube and stuff.--The main things is people taking certain kinds and making DIY 3D printable plastic. Other ones are like literally just melting it down and putting it into forms and molds. And then the one that I'm like, kind of the most excited about, although it's sort of terrible is that apparently you can make diesel fuel out of plastic DIY? I don't know, like, what do you? What are your aspirations? Or what are you thinking on for your DIY recycling? Andre 07:22 So, all of that pretty much entire, all the stuff that you just said, is pretty much what I want to do. So I'll go into some more repurposing stuff and talking about specifically about additive manufacturing and recycling inputs into stuff. So yeah, like, recycling, plastics is a really big thing. So recycling PLA plastic or recycling...there's a whole bunch of plastics that will melt and be able to remelt that you can make in certain different things. And I think that recycling plastics specifically for 3d printing is going to be kind of like the next frontier of additive manufacturing, because not only are you taking plastics...so say, for instance...it's a full cycle...So, we could be not only cleaning up the environment of plastic waste, but using that plastic and re-melting it down and making it into new objects, when otherwise that plastic would have just been floating in some water in a creek or sitting, you know, not deteriorating in a landfill. Margaret 08:29 Yeah. Andre 08:30 And so from there, it kind of opens up a whole new space of thinking about the things that we use and thinking about manufacturing in general, because we're moving away from mining the earth and using natural resources and exploiting the natural resources to make the inputs for the stuff. And instead, mining the trash and mining the stuff that we've that we've thrown away and regarded as trash and mining that. So, I kind of think of it as like a closed loop, circular ecosystem of removing trash from the environment, repurposing it. And then not only that, kind of changing our social relations when it comes to how we deal with objects, changing our conceptions of things of like disposability, changing our conceptions of how we treat objects, and moving away from disposal into like modularity or repurposing stuff. So yeah, I think it's really interesting to think of it in that way of like, instead of making these new things, taking what we've already polluted the earth with and making things out of that. Margaret 09:45 Yeah, no, this is...I'm just gonna basically over and over be like, "Yeah, this is this is my alley. This is the shit that I love." Yeah, one of the things that I notice is that, you know, from living off--I don't currently live off grid, but I've spent a lot of my time living off grid--is you start noticing every single object that comes into your purview, right? Because 'what are you going to do with it at the end?' becomes this very important thing. If you don't have trash pickup, if you don't have a way to just easily make the thing go away, then you have to be like, "Okay, I'm going to compost this, I'm going to, you know, compost that." I was just thinking of cardboard. And I was like, "Oh, I used to burn all my cardboard, but I'm gonna try and move to composting it," you know. And, you know, just like thinking, "Okay, I'm responsible for all of these objects, I've chosen to caretake." And this isn't me trying to be like, "Oh, recycling is gonna save the world," or whatever, because it's like, but for me, it's more about when we think about when we start thinking of small scale systems, based on all of the things involved, I think that puts us in a better position to imagine better futures. Because we actually have to think to ourselves like, "Well, if I don't want, if I want to use plastic, what the fuck am I going to do with it afterwards?" And I mean, I don't actually particularly, I used to sort of hate plastic. And now I'm kind of like now that I think of mining the trash for plastic. I sort of like it, you know? Andre 11:05 Yeah, I could talk more about turning plastic into fuel. Margaret 11:09 Yeah, please, do I only know the like YouTube level of it. Andre 11:15 Yeah, so another part of that is...okay, so, even if we were to say, for instance, like in the future, get everything that we wanted, have the big 'R' Revolution, you know, have the utopic vision that we have come to fruition, there's still going to be the problem of trash, there's still going to be the problem of yeah, like, what do we do with plastic, even after it's like, use has kind of gone through, and we can't reuse anymore? Like, what do we do with it?Like, another option of that, too, is using the plastic as a fuel source. So you can do stuff like pyrolysis, where basically, you're heating up plastic, condensing that, and basically making it back into a form of burnable fuel. And like, you know, personally, I absolutely hate combustible fuels, obviously, for their, for their, their impact to the environment. But then again, there are a lot of things that are absolutely necessary to run. So say for instance, you know, if we are using renewables only to power things, one issue is, say, for instance, solar, if you don't get a lot of sunlight, you don't get power, pretty much. And you could supplement that with other, you know, renewable energies. But there might be times especially in say, like a natural disaster, when like, you absolutely need power to power like medical equipment to power to power hospitals, or to power equipment that we need up and running. And so that would be a time when, like, using these fuels would really make a lot of sense. On the flip side of that, too, talking about like fuel and stuff like that, there's also making hydrogen fuel using electrolysis. So, using electricity, to basically separate the hydrogen from water, and then using that hydrogen as a fuel. So, that's another, you know, way of approaching it and way of approaching energy, not thinking of extracting it from the earth, but trying to figure out new ways and different ways of finding energy that's really all around us. Margaret 13:34 Yeah, my, my favorite, I looked into it at the last place I lived because was on enough of a hill, I got really into storing electrical power through gravity. You know, like, you could do this thing where I've seen people do it where you like, you set up...okay, you set up a water...a rain barrel at the bottom of your house. And then you also set up a rain barrel at the top of your house. And you use your solar while it's running, instead of to power a lithium battery, which is obviously not a renewable resource, you know, which is the thing that people often forget. Well, I mean, whatever, it's better than some things. But, you know, the battery storage is one of the weakest parts of off-grid power, right? And so you put your rain barrel at the top of your house, and then while there's power, you pump the water up to the roof. And then when there's not power coming through the solar, then the, the rainwater comes back down and it charges...like I mean this charges like a cell phone, this is not a you know, but people are talking about doing it on these industrial scales where you can do it like water towers, you can do it, you know, dammed areas, whatever.. I'm not presenting it as like the perfect solution, but just like interesting to me that there's all of these different ways that we can store power that we don't traditionally think of. I don't know. Andre 14:54 Yeah, exactly. And it's one of those things where like, it isn't necessarily profitable too, to do stuff like that. So it just isn't being done right now. But if we were to look at living in a post capitalist world, obviously, we want to pick solutions and pick things that not only like are detrimental socially, but not detrimental ecologically as well. So like stuff like that is just so perfect in taking the energy that we have just all around us and using it in responsible ways. So yeah, Margaret 15:29 Okay, so this isn't even what we were going to talk about today. I just got really excited about that. The the main thing I wanted to talk to you about today is, is off-grid internet is mesh networking is DIY internet. And I'm wondering if you could explain what that kind of concept is? Andre 15:45 Yeah, for sure. So I'll kind of go into a little bit of background on like, why, or what really got me started in thinking on this train of thought. So like, I live in Texas. And living in Texas has made me very aware of kind of the crumbling infrastructure in this country. Margaret 16:06 Whaaat?! [Sarcastically] Andre 16:07 Yeah, I know, "What?" a private grid run by a corporation that seems to fail, even though there's no regulation, "What?Oh." And a big wake up call was winter storm Yuri, which like completely, absolutely fucked up Texas. It was a week long ice storm with snow. And, it just like completely destroyed the homes of just thousands of people. Thousands of people lost their lives because of the storm. And it just kind of pointed out the fact that ERCOT's mismanagement of the power grid and the effects of that were just like, really big. So, it kind of got me thinking of ways to do communication and electricity, that didn't rely on the crumbling infrastructure around me. So, after thinking about that kind of got me thinking about emergencies and building resilient systems, and communication was like really, really up there. Especially when it comes to communications during natural disasters. There's, you know, there's obviously Ham radio and handheld radios that people use during natural disasters. But, when it comes to actually sharing information, say, for instance, sharing books, sharing videos, communicating with a massive amount of people that doesn't require specialized equipment, like radios, that's a whole nother realm, you know. So, that's what kind of got me thinking about making an emergency like community internet was so that way people in my neighborhood could have access to like, a chat server ebooks with like info on surviving different natural disasters, a media server to stream videos, either for educational content, or for just like, if the power's out, you're bred you know, you have nothing to do, sooo. And music is another big thing. Margaret 18:08 That was one of the things that before, before Covid, I was like, running around doing all my preparedness stuff. And I went out and got a hard drive and filled it with movies that I obtained legally. And I was kind of even as I was doing it. I was like, "What the hell disaster am I going to be in? What version of the apocalypse has me like bored watching movies?" And then COVID hit. And I like, and I was off grid, and I like, didn't have good internet, you know? And I was like, "Oh, this, this is the crisis for which I prepared." And, you know, whatever public domain television shows got me through, got me through the worst of it. Anyway, I didn't mean to completely derail you, please continue. Andre 18:54 No, no, no, that's completely on topic, you know, especially because like, these kinds of systems allow people to communicate without needing to be face to face. And so what a lot of people don't like think about are people who are immunodeficient who can't like, go face to face in front of people or people with disabilities who it would be harder for them to physically go out and get a radio from somebody and start using it. So, you know, resilient systems that like keep everybody in mind that can access it like really big. But yeah, like COVID was a perfect...not really perfect, but you know, it definitely pointed out some some, some stuff that maybe we were all thinking about, but didn't really want to think about, but...So, from thinking about all this stuff, what I kind of landed on was making a solar powered internet with like a Raspberry Pi as the server that ran all the services and a Raspberry Pi is a single board, like small computer that runs off of USB power. So it requires really, very little power. But, from there, you know, it's fine to have your own small kind of like local network. But, I really wanted to come up with ways to try and expand that network. So, basically make like beacons to connect back to the main network to spread out the signal. Margaret 20:25 Cool. Andre 20:27 So, in a way, this kind of started off as just like a small off-grid, solar powered system. But, now it's kind of grown out to be more of almost like a community wide Internet where like, we can add more routers to the network and spread the connections out from there. Margaret 20:44 How...How do? [Pause] How does that happen? Like, like are thre resources that, you know...how complicated is it? How expensive? Is it? How...it seems like it's scalable, so you can kind of up the complexity and the expense as you want? But yeah, what's involved? Andre 21:04 So I, when I wrote the article, and like, was thinking about this, I really wanted to start from like the bare minimum, and try and convey the bare minimum of information that somebody would need to do this. So, starting off, I wanted to make sure to use things that were first of all easy to find, second of all, easy to work on, like the average person with some technical skills could pick it up and like, know what to do with it, and wasn't something super proprietary, where maybe only a handful of people in a city would even know how to work it. So, it has to be, you know, easily picked up by your average person. So, that's kind of where I wanted to start from was using the most basic hardware, the most basic software, and from there, you can build up to it. So, for example, like in the article that I wrote, that kind of goes by like step by step on how to make it, it's more of like a recipe book almost. So, breaking it down into like, its fundamental parts, with core ingredients to make it what it is. So like, you know, a cake has core ingredients that you know, make it a cake, but you can add and subtract on top of it to make it work for whatever you need it to work for. Margaret 22:34 Well other people can. Andre 22:35 True Margaret 22:38 Whenever I try to make a cake...I can make muffins and brownies. Anyways I'm that useful wit cakes yet. Andre 22:49 Well, yeah, as long as you can find somebody to make it. That's the biggest thing. Yeah. Margaret 22:54 Okay, what are some of those core ingredients? Andre 22:57 So, the core ingredients are basically a client, a router, and a server. So, that's pretty much it, which sounds really really reductive. But, when you boil it down, and kind of like, look at the core concept, that's the three things you have. So, a client is a computer. Really, any computer. A router determines like what addresses computers in the network have, and it directs traffic. And a server is basically another computer that hosts the data for your clients to access. So. I'll kind of walk through some of that stuff, too. So, like I said, A client can be really like literally any computer, it could be like a brand new MacBook, it could be a single board computer, like a Raspberry Pi, you could even use like a smart fridge to do this. It can literally be anything that...it can literally be any computer that can access the internet, you can use as a client to go onto the network, right? Yeah. And so next you have routers, which are basically like little boxes that can direct traffic and determine like, what addresses computers on the network have. So think of it as like mailing addresses almost. So, if I wanted to send information to somebody down the street, I would have an address and they would have an address, and the router is basically like a mailman who delivers that information from me to the address that I wanted to send it off to. And I'm obviously kind of like making this way more simpler than what it is, because in reality there's like so many networking things in the middle that makes this happen but routers basically do that. Margaret 24:44 Okay, can this router in this case be like, like I have a router right now I believe that is connecting between my modem and my computer or something, right? Can Can. It sounds like this router is the most custom piece of this whole puzzle or is it something that you can also repurpose out of an existing like Wi-Fi router or something? Andre 25:06 You can repurpose it out of any Wi-Fi router, which is awesome. Margaret 25:10 Hell yeah, cause it's in every house. Andre 25:12 It's in every house. Every house has internet access, you have a router. All you have to do is change the networking settings to be able to basically connect back to whatever network you make. So, it doesn't require you to go out and buy something. You probably already have it in your house already. Margaret 25:29 Yeah. Okay. I mean, you probably have to destroy the one you have, or you have to reprogram the one you're having you have so you wouldn't be able to use it and your regular internet? Andre 25:42 Excatly. Margaret 25:43 Yeah, you would need to go find one in an abandoned house. Andre 25:45 Yeah. Margaret 25:45 Okay. Cool. Andre 25:49 You could, you could. Yeah, I mean, like internet squatting is a, I guess, a new thing now so.... But the last kind of part of that is the server. And that's like, again, really any computer that's running software to share data. So, with those three pieces, a client, a router, and server, if you scale that up like a million times and add in fiber optic cables from the bottom of the ocean to connect routers and to data centers together, and then boom, you have the 'Internet,' right? So, like network engineers are probably going to be listening to this and be really mad about what I'm saying. But, the internet is basically just a giant combination of intranets. It's a big intranet that's been connected to other intranets, through a bunch of other networking equipment, protocols, datacenters, all that kind of stuff. Margaret 26:43 An an intranet is a is an internet, but a local one, a one that exists within like a building or a neighborhood or something is an intranet. It's a network that is not part of the larger internet. I mean, it can be part of that. You can access it from the larger internet, but it's sort of walled off. Is that a decent way to explain intranet? Andre 27:03 Yeah, exactly. So, if you add your client, a router and a server, you basically made an intranet right there because it isn't connected back to the major, actual internet. But, that's what the Internet is. It's this gigantic intranet. So, it kind of takes a lot of the black box magic out of the Internet, because really, you're just distilling it down to these core pieces and understanding, "Okay, well, if I can do this at like a super small level, and I spread this out, we really could create, you know, a local, a regional, or even a gigantic people own Internet with our own hardware." Margaret 27:48 So, basically, if we build this entire shadow internet...Are there other people who have done this? Are there already existing like large networked intranets all networked together? Do they control like, the giant space laser or whatever? Like? I mean, what are the? Yeah, how much is this already done? Andre 28:08 Yeah, so not exactly when it comes to like making it almost like an alternative internet, it's mainly done to actually provide internet access to people who can get it. So, a good example of that is NYC Mesh. And they're are a group in New York City who basically are doing this exact same thing. They're making an a mesh network to broadcast out a Wi Fi signal. And then they have nodes that pick up that Wi Fi signal and keep basically building out the range that the network can can hit. So, what they're doing is finding areas that internet service providers won't bring in the necessary equipment to give people internet access, or people who can't afford internet access. And so, they're basically making these mesh networks to get the Wi Fi coverage over to the people who need it. So, we can do basically the same thing with a system like this. So, you can make a network like this that works in tandem with the Internet. So say for instance, if power or Internet access gets shut off, for whatever reason, you have a backup, basically like community internet. But, you can also connect, say, for instance, like your main router that you're kind of using to run the network or just any router on the network, connect that to the internet, and then you can share Internet access across the secondary internet. So, basically, you can make a mesh intranet network, and you can have it walled off from the wider internet and still have it work without electricity. grid electricity and without internet access, but when you have electricity and internet access, you can actually supply Internet access to the network and give other people access to the internet. So, it kind of serves two purposes too so that way, it's not just like, "Oh, this is only in an emergency network." But also, you know, there's some resilience resiliency built into it. Margaret 30:25 That's cool. I like that it has a purpose, sort of during crisis, and also even just like during the crisis that is, you know, poverty and lack of access and stuff like that. The other thing that I like about this, I mean, it's funny, I don't like it personally, because I live rurally, but, but one of the things that comes up is that so much of the prepping stuff that gets talked about, especially under the name 'prepping,' rather than 'preparedness' focuses on rural folks, right? It focuses on access to, if not financial resources, it often focuses on access to space, like physical space to store things, or even kind of what you can do with low population density. Right? It's a lot easier for someone to have five acres here in West Virginia than it is for some of the five acres in the Bay Area or something, right. And the thing, that's kind of interesting, because you're pointed out that the you know, a lot of this work, people have been doing it New York City, and I'm like, h, it the higher population density you have like, the more bang for your buck, it seems like this kind of thing would have. And that's cool, because I think that we way too often think of high population density as like, 'bad.' Whereas actually, in terms of like, efficiency of living, in terms of even like small ecological footprint, higher population densities can be really fucking good. So, I like that. For my for myself, I'm like, oh, well if I set it up, it would just be on my like, you know, like, where I live with some people or whatever and it would just be the like, "Well, if the power goes down, you can access the the movie server and the off-grid, Wikipedia," or the, you know, I do a download of Wikipedia every, whenever I remember, it's usually about once a year as like part of my preping is I do the download of Wikipedia or whatever. Without the images. I don't have enough money to pay for that kind of terabytes of data for the images. But yeah, I don't know, the larger. I don't know, I'm just getting lost thinking about the possibilities of something like this. What distinguishes a mesh network from just a simple intranet? Is a mesh network, because it's all wireless. Like what what makes it a mesh network? Andre 32:32 Yeah, so mesh network differentiates itself because you're basically able to connect networking equipment back to each other. So, you can do a mesh network, a quote unquote, 'mesh network' with like, hard wired Ethernet cable, but really what network mesh networks do is use certain protocols to connect routers or network equipment together. So, in this case, what we're doing connecting our main router to our beacon that will, you know, propagate that network is using a protocol called WDS, which is called 'wireless distribution system.' And basically, what that lets you do is it lets you connect other routers, as if they were connected with an ethernet cord together, but it's completely wireless. So, you can get another router, turn on WDS, join in the network, and then this new router that joins in becomes a beacon and extends the range of the network. Margaret 33:37 Okay. So, you don't have to, you don't have to as the alternative internet engineer, you don't have to walk around and physically set up each and every beacon. It's a it's a thing where basically people by joining are making the network better? Andre 33:53 Exactly.. As long as they can get power. Anybody can turn their home router, and either use WDS to connect their routers together, or basically putting the routers into what's called AP mode or basically making it an-- 34:12 An 'access point.' [Not getting the joke] Yeah. Margaret 34:12 [Interuptting] Advance Placement. Margaret 34:15 No, I was lying. Sorry, I was trying to make a bad joke. Andre 34:21 See, I'm not smart enough to have taken an AP classses High School. Yeah, I my terrible ADHD like stopped me from going into AP classes. So. Margaret 34:32 Yeah, fair enough. I took AP English. Did not did not pass it to the college level. In my defense, the only they only taught, they only taught books written by men in my AP English class. I think all white men. Now there might have been I feel like.... Andre 34:54 Yeah, what English class isn't just full of just like old white dudes? Margaret 34:58 Yeah. Although actually, it was before....This is just completely tangential. English class is how I like learned about like Langston Hughes and stuff in 10th grade and like, so that was good. That's all I remember. Andre 35:14 My introduction to de-schooling was actually through an English teacher. So I guess, yeah, English teachers, English classes, thumbs up, you know? Margaret 35:25 Yeah, Totally. Many of them, many of them. Okay, so before we started thinking about our English teachers, okay, you mentioned that if you have power, right? But and I'm I'm under the impression, a lot of what you've also done is work on trying to figure out how to make sure that people within this network would have access to power during a crisis or whatever. What does that look like? Andre 35:54 Yeah, so I mean, obviously, we can't run electronics without power. So trying to think about, what are some ways that we can generate power locally, and be able to supply power to people who need it. So, getting into talking about power kind of connects it to other areas of infrastructure to, and all those other areas of infrastructure connect into building mutual aid networks, but so we'll start with power first. So, with powering nodes, basically, what we're talking about here is creating almost like micro, community micro grids using solar. So, basically making like small power stations that use solar energy to charge batteries and supply power to your neighbors. And so, this can turn into a form of mutual aid, right? So if we're making these small scale solar power stations that we can attach to like dollies, or attach to wood and like, roll them out when need be. Now we're talking about giving people the autonomy and giving people the tools to make their own power and help each other survive in a way that's beneficial to everybody in the community. But also is helping to power, you know, the devices that will connect back to the network, the network itself, but also help power medical devices and stuff like that, that you know, people need to survive and live off of. So, talking about making community micro grids, we'll start from like, the small scale and then start building up, because again, like, all of this is modular and able to scale with however many resources you have, or however big you need it to be. But, the key part is to understand that like at every level, it's the same idea, just with, you know, some parts switched out. So. And there's also two, there's also different kinds of solar power, too. There's solar photovoltaics using like traditional solar panels is what we think of, but also passive solar as well, because there's energy, you know, the sun is fucking hot. The sun rays have a lot of energy. So, there's other ways to produce energy and talk about that sort of stuff. So, there's high tech and low tech, solar, but we'll start in and start small with small scale, kind of micro community micro grids. Right? So by solar in this case, I'm talking about photovoltaic cells to generate electricity from the sun. So you can make stuff like this, or you can buy like premade systems to kind of cut down on the amount of work that you need to do, but there are some like major downsides to getting like a premade solar system kind of like an all in one package, because most of the parts are proprietary. So, in the middle of an emergency, you're not going to be able to like mail your solar charge station if the power plug breaks. So, a DIY method allows you to kind of have modular off the shelf parts that if something breaks, you can easily fix it. And all of these parts are easy to find too. So once I start talking about the parts that are involved with it, you can think of a whole bunch of places where you can find this stuff that's just sitting out there. Margaret 39:32 Just by the side of the road. Andre 39:35 Yeah, honestly Like literally, I found solar panels in the middle of forests, just kind of like smashed solar panels in the middle of a forest before so like yes search on the side of the roads. You could find some cool shit. Margaret 39:52 Yeah. Andre 39:53 But yeah, so like when you start talking about solar power and solar power generation it's really daunting, because like what we're used to is seeing solar panels on roofs, or electricians installing this stuff. But, really, it's really simple once you break it down into the core ingredients, just like before, just like making a cake, once you know the core ingredients, you can scale things up, add, subtract to whatever you need, to whatever scale you need. So. Margaret 40:21 Yeah, that you have to like...you do when you scale solar power...I don't know that much about mesh networking. But I've installed a bunch of different solar systems and lived off solar systems of different types. And, it's a really good point about the modularity that can pull pieces out and put them back in. But, it's annoying that every time you're like, Oh, I'm going to go from 400 watts of solar power to 800 watts of solar power. Now, I need to change out every piece of the entire thing. Because it's, it's like baking, if in order to double the ingredients. You also had to like, buy a different bowl and spoons, you know? Andre 40:58 Exactly, exactly. You're like these look exactly the same, but like I have to pay like an extra $500 For this one that can handle like, oh, a little bit more power. What the hell? Margaret 41:07 Yeah. Yeah. And it is it is more like baking than than cooking. You know? it's...because it is very like, "Okay, do this. Exactly. And it'll be great and safe and right." Andre 41:24 Yeah, add these ingredients in together in a safe way, and you'll be good. Margaret 41:30 Yeah, exactly. Which is not to try and scare people off of it, it really can be done safely. Like, I didn't know shit about electricity when I first started doing this, I, when I first installed my first 12 volt battery, I was like terrified of it. You know, I was like putting the cables on it. And I was afraid it was gonna like shock me and my friend just like went up and grabbed both terminals and was like, "It's fine. It's 12 volts." And like, and then he was immediately like, "But if you dropped a wrench and connected the two poles, then you might die. But..." Most use case scenario....anyway. Sorry, I have a lot of I have a lot of thoughts about solar. But please, please continue. I'm sorry. Andre 42:13 No, no, no, no. But like, yeah, like you just said, with anything to do with solar power, obviously, there's gonna be some safety things to keep in mind. But, you know, if you practice basic electrical safety, you can make these systems pretty well, at least at a small scale. Once you're talking about like, multiple megawatts of power generation, then we're talking about kind of things that are kind of outside of this. But, for small scale, like, say, for instance, right now I have 400 watt solar panels charging a battery bank right now, like that's easy to handle for most people. And for producing power for, say, for instance, like a couple of different families at different houses or different apartments, that, that that'll work. It sounds small, but like 400 watts of solar power, and like a decent amount of storage will get you really far, especially in emergencies when you're only powering a couple things at a time, but. Margaret 43:15 It's not going to run your AC. And it's not going to run your electric heater. And it probably it's not gonna run your fridge. But, it'll run a tiny electric cooler, it'll keep your phone's charged, it'll keep the lights on, it'll keep a fan going. Especially if it's not...box fans use an ungodly amount of power. I mean, that said, I did keep a fan going on 400 Watts, 24 hours a day for like a year once. So, you know, Andre 43:41 Yeah, I can't be done. But like, okay, so in terms of like the core ingredients of a solar system, you've got really basically four parts, you've got your solar panels, a charge controller, batteries for storage, and an inverter if you're going to be doing specific stuff. So, adding those four things together, you can make either like a super small system more, say for instance, like you're talking about earlier, running some pretty basic household appliances. But you can also change all this stuff to fit the needs that you have. So, using this as an example, for like a really, really micro community micro grid, we could basically take like furniture dollies, tie some wood to it, put a charge controller, a battery, or two, strap it on to that, and an inverter, and then attach those to a solar panel, and then basically what you're doing is just generating power on a really small scale. And then, say for instance, you want to make a bigger one well, get more solar panels, add a different charge controller, add more batteries in series to your battery bank, and add a bigger inverter, and then you could power refrigerators and AC units and stuff like that at a bigger scale. But, the key is just knowing kind of the core parts to it. I go through step-by-step on an article on my Substack called "DIY Off Grid Solar Primer." And it kind of walks through like all of the steps that you go through to make either a really small solar system or a pretty big one, that'll power a lot of things. And so it's kind of like, it's one of those things where it's, it's like a black box, and not a lot of people really, like understand the stuff that goes behind it. And not a lot of people understand that it's not that crazy to do this type of stuff. Margaret 45:53 Yeah, I guess that is the...you know, when I, I don't know, the fact that this is actually doable, like, from, you know, I won't do...I'm not going to do a house level install. I'm not going to do grid tied solar myself. I feel like, that reaches a level where, I mean, you're actually putting the safety of the like, the electrical workers at risk if you do grid tie stuff, right? So, I understand the need for people with specialty training for that. But yeah, the the actually doable part, I think, is just what people...what I want more people to understand. Andre 46:34 Yeah, because there's so much information out there that just seems so out of reach for most people. But it's really enriched, it's just the fact of like, knowing what to do, knowing, even knowing what you don't know, is like the key to really getting started with it. Margaret 46:49 Yeah, but I will say though, in defense of the, the all-in-one boxes, I've used both, and I've like talked with a lot of people who are living off grid about which is better in which circumstance. And for people who are like, "I live in this cabin, I want my life in here to be good," Build it yourself, or work with a friend who knows what they're doing, but get the actual pieces and build it modularly. But, for people who are kind of like, "This is my truck camper, I sleep in two months of the year," and like, or, "This is my cabin for now. But I kind of don't really see myself being living here in a year," you know, or "I have a really limited budget, and I just need to get my cell phone charged." There's like, there's, I think there's purposes for the all-in-one boxes there in that you just don't have to fuck with it. It's like it takes less specialization, like one of the one of the infrastructures I've lived with...sorry, there's very few topics I get to like be I get to be really excited about and have like more like some experience on compared to, you know, when I talk to someone about. But, one of the ways that I had it going at one point was like I built a solar power setup, and I built it modularly partly actually, because I didn't have enough money to go out and get the size of box I wanted. On the other hand, in the end, I probably paid more for my system,because I kept upgrading it, because I kept being like...but you can kind of you can kind of do it. 100 bucks here, 100 bucks there as compared to going out and buying this $1,200 all-in-one box or $400 all-in-one box. They come in all different sizes. And, what I found that most people didn't bother with was using the all-in-one boxes hooked up to solar panels. What I found, what we ended up doing was, you know, the the barn on the property with the solar setup that I built, everyone would just bring their boxes over and charge them. You know, and so it's not a very proper way to do a grid. But, in some ways, that's how we did our grid is that there was like a central charging station and everyone would bring their boxes and then go plug their boxes back into their shacks or whatever, you know, Andre 48:58 That's really cool. Because like, I mean, that technically is a grid, because I mean, you're transferring power from one generation into, you know, a place where you're actually going to use it. So like, but people don't consider that a grid only because, you know, it's just kind of so used to just like, oh, the grid is just the shit on the lines that just exists. Yeah, but like there's so many other ways to think about it. Margaret 49:23 Yeah, I had another friend who, another off grid project I know of, a friend of mine has a cart, a trailer pulled behind a car, very light, one very small, one size of a teardrop or smaller and it's just full of old iron, lithium, whatever the cheap old batteries, the car batteries. And well they're AGM. They're just not lithium ion. And we just drive them into town like once a week. Just attach it to the car, drive it into town. Charge it at the Anarchist social center in town. And then drive it back out. And then power everything on the land project for like a week or whatever with these, you know, big battery banks. Andre 50:10 Yeah, I mean, that's that's definitely one way to do it. Like I did the same kind of thing where like, I was running a whole bunch of stuff off of this, like little RYOBI portable inverter thing for like my power tools, and like just charge the, the, the batteries and then just like take the batteries with me and then use it like that. So like yeah, it's same concept. Margaret 50:37 Yeah, I use my battery tool batteries as my cell phone charger for a long time before I got all the solar stuff set up. Yeah. Andre 50:45 It works. You have power. So, that like ultimately, that's what it comes down to is like figuring out ways to take energy, store it and then transport it somewhere else where somebody else can use it. So like, who cares if you're using like, a drill battery attached to a little inverter to power the router for the network? It's still powering it. So there you go. Margaret 51:08 That's cool. That just makes it cooler. Because then also anyone could just take it and charge it on it. You know, like everyone has a charger for that thing. Well, then you can have the Ryobi versus DeWalt class war, but the person with the Makita will chime in and be like, "No!" Andre 51:31 But yes, so I mean, like, so we've gone from making like small internets into making a larger mesh network. I also want to like, I also wanted to run back and talk about what you brought up earlier, when it came to the differences between kind of urban and suburban areas and doing this in rural areas, or areas that might not like be as accessible. So, when it comes to rural areas, you can do the same thing. So making this mesh network. The biggest thing is going to be actually getting that signal out. So, then we're talking about like, kind of more high powered antennas, and talking about, like, how to broadcast signals, like a far distance. And there's some interesting stuff out there. So, I saw this guy on YouTube who made a giant parabola, and made it out of wood and chicken wire, and then put a Wi-Fi card in the middle of that parabola. So, you know, like the curve, almost like a satellite dish, but made out of chicken wire. And, he was able to broadcast Wi-Fi through the jungle for about six miles, just just using chicken wire in a parabola shape. And, you know, a simple like off the shelf network card. So like, line of sight, with some really simple DIY shit like that, like making parabolas out of chicken wire, or even using old satellite dishes to bounce that signal off, And at least get it over to maybe if you, you know, have a neighbor six miles away from you, then they could be the next node in the network. And they could just bounce signal around there. So like, in mountainous regions, it's really hard to get internet access. Margaret 53:37 I'm Aware. Andre 53:42 Mainly because, you know, internet service providers are, you know, they don't think it's profitable to spend the money for the infrastructure to bring it out there. But, it's also really hard to do it period. So, in that case, you know, you could set up a mesh network with your own DIY antennas to basically like bounce up and down mountainsides to supply internet access to other people. So, it works not just from like urban suburban areas, but also rural areas, but it just requires a, again, like a different, like thought process behind it. Margaret 54:17 Right, but out here, it would be more possible for me to like, you know, talk to the person who does own the next ridge over and be like, "Hey, can I put up like this old satellite dish and some solar panels on your property, you get free internet, and so does everyone on the other side of the hill," you know? I mean, presuming the friendliness of the person who has the...owns the top of the mountain or whatever, but no, that's okay. Yeah. Andre 54:48 And that can be a really good intro point to establish a mutual aid networks in rural areas, because it's really hard especially like in In rural areas to like, talk to your neighbors if your neighbors are like six miles away, but if you come to the people and say like, "Hey, we can mutually benefit each other," in a way that like, you know, they can completely understand and like be on board with, then you have, then you're talking to your neighbors, even though your neighbors live like super far away from you. So yeah, it's a really good in to like starting to build relationships locally. Margaret 55:29 Yeah. No, that's interesting. So one of the things that you talked about, you mentioned earlier about how this all ties into general infrastructure and how infrastructure as a way to build mutual aid networks, is that something that, you know, basically, because most of what I've talked to people about mutual aid networks, which is incredibly valuable, but a lot of mutual aid networks are around community health, or food access, or, you know, defense against sweeps of encampments of people who are living out. And, you know, the idea of like, providing internet and power it obviously makes sense, as part of it, it's just part that doesn't get talked about as much because I think it probably more of my friends know how to cook than know how to program routers, you know, although then again, 10 years ago, it was probably the opposite. Well, when I was a teenager was definitely the opposite. But yeah, so I'm curious if you have thoughts about sort of general infrastructure, how this ties into infrastructure, mutual aid networks. Andre 56:32 Yeah. So, when we were talking about like, hierarchical, well, we talked about like, systems like capitalism, hierarchical systems, states, the way that they cement power is basically by controlling our access to like our basic needs. So, if we can build our own infrastructures, either both like within the system, but also alongside and out of the system, then we can much more easily separate from capitalist and hierarchical systems, and create our own networks, and our own infrastructure in our own worlds alongside of things. So, that kind of touches into, you know, ideas of building dual power of like building the systems that we want to use and building the world that we want to see now, not just working within capitalism, sometimes you'll have to say for like legal issues and stuff like that, but building systems that work outside of capitalist and hierarchical systems. So, taking back control of the infrastructures that really rule our lives. So like, the infrastructures that can underlie everything that we do, you know, we kind of have the main, the big three, food, water shelter. But, I'd include a couple more things in there just because like, you know, our modern times things have like changed, technology has changed. On top of that, I put communications, so that would include like stuff like radio and Internet, electricity, which includes things like air conditioning and a lot of regions that like you will literally die without air conditioning, and care work as the kind of like main parts of infrastructure Margaret 58:38 That, that tracks. And those do seem to be...I mean, those are the things that we kind of focus on with mutual aid with this special edition of communication and power. I'm into it. Andre 58:58 But like, so, I'll go into a scenario of how building community micro grids and building communication networks can like, tie back into mutual aid efforts and like other revolutionary things, so you know, starting out, you decided to do this, you get a foldable solar panel, you use that to make your own small network with your server, you get a Raspberry Pi or like an old laptop and use that as a server. And then use an old router that you have or your the router that you have in your house right now. To just start, to start the network. And from there, you're like, Okay, well, let me you know, if I want to build this network out, then I'll start making small micro community micro grids to share with my neighbors. So, let's say if you live in an apartment building, then you're like, Okay, I'll go to the people in my apartment building, make one of these things, you know, make one of these, like solar power carts or something. And then just like talk to my neighbors and say like, "Hey, would this be valuable to us?" And so then like, you're starting to provide, basically free electricity to your neighbors. And by doing that, you know, you're starting to build relationships, starting to talk to people, and with talking to people, and kind of showing people what can be done with just like solidarity and working together, then, you know, you start talking some more and some more. And let's say like, you, through these relationships that you have with the people in your apartment building, you're like, "Okay, well, what if we like formed a tenant's union? I don't know, that might be a good idea?" And in trying to form that, you'll need some ways of communicating that's going to be secure. So, you can either meet in person, but not everybody is going to be able to meet in person. So, how do we make secure communications with each other to do stuff like organizing tenant unions are organizing unions within our workplaces. And so, you can do stuff like this, where you're making the services, the infrastructure available to people to be able to talk to each other in secure ways. So you could on your server, put up like encrypted messaging, and then use that as a method of organizing the tenants union or whatever, you know, use that as a method of organizing. So, you're going from like, starting out with just kind of like wanting to build your own solar power stuff into now you're talking to your neighbors, and now you're organizing stuff. And this kind of snowballs. As you add on to it, as you talk to more people as things kind of, like, move along, there's a snowball effect and to just like, being able to make the infrastructure for things to happen. And like that's the big thing. Margaret 1:02:09 I like it. I am sold. I...there's that joke, "I would like to subscribe to your newsletter..." But in this case, people should subscribe to your newsletter, or Substack or whatever. Okay, well, we're kind of coming up on time. There's a lot of stuff that I want to talk to you about that we didn't even get into about you know hydroponics. It's what's in your username, and I want to turn my basement into a place that produces food, 24 hours, or 12 months, a year, whatever. You know, I live in a climate with a real winter. And I'd like to be able to still have fresh vegetables and hydroponics seem cool. But that's not what we're going to talk about today. But, that might be what I bug you about sometime in the near future. Is there any kind of final thoughts on the stuff that we've been talking about today that you want to bring up? Andre 1:02:50 Yeah, I mean, I guess ultimately, it just comes down to if there are things out there that you want to do, try and figure out like, the core concepts and build on that. And just like just fucking try it. Like there's, there's so many things like all this, like building this off grid, internet building, off grid power systems was all just kind of like, I want to do it. I'll try and find the information and condense it for other people to use and they can build it themselves too. But like, that was the key was just like, fuck it. Let me just get started and try it. So, it's the same thing with like mutual aid networks. It's like if there isn't one around you, fuck it, try building it. Margaret 1:03:31 Yeah, totally. No, that's so good. That is...Yeah. The secret is to really begin. I can't remember what this from, some insurrectionist tract, but I really like it. You know, just the like, well we actually just got to do it. We you know, like, I don't know, I feel like I would have more clever way to say that, but I don't Andre 1:03:54 No. That was good. Margaret 1:03:57 All right. Well, if people want to subscribe to your newsletter, or follow you on the internet, how should they go about it? Andre 1:04:03 Yeah, you can find me on Substack. It's anarchosolarpunk.substack.com. And then I'm active also on Twitter and Tik Tok at 'hydroponictrash.' Margaret 1:04:18 Cool. Yeah, we didn't even talk about solar punk. That was like on the list of things that we should talk about. We will talk again soon, I assume and people will get to hear from you again. All right. Well, thank you so much for coming on. 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Academic Will Visconti on the true history of the most famous cancan dancer in Paris at the turn of the century, and her later work taming lions

Academic Will Visconti on the true history of the most famous cancan dancer in Paris at the turn of the century, and her later work taming lions

In this episode, sports chiropractor, certified strength and conditioning specialist, pregnancy and postpartum athleticism coach, and level 2 Crossfit coach, Dr Karlie Causey, talks about exercise during pregnancy and the postpartum period. Today, Dr. Karlie talks about planning home exercise programs and preparing athletic women for the postpartum exercise phase, and the idea that every mom is an athlete. What are some postpartum conditions or barriers to getting back to fitness? Hear about setting expectations about postpartum conditions, the story behind Jen & Keri, and get Dr Karlie's advice to her younger self, all on today's episode of The Healthy, Wealthy & Smart Podcast.   Key Takeaways “You don't need to wait to the 6-week mark to start doing what we consider rehabilitative exercises.” “Tie small rehab activities into your daily life.” “Just ask the patient what works best for them.” “Walking in the postpartum phase is exercise and it does count.” “Starting off slow to get back to where you want to go is always the right choice.” “You can continue being who you were before motherhood.” “If I would've had more fun, I probably would've been more successful, but also maybe it would've been a little bit of a smoother ride.”   More about Dr. Karlie Dr. Karlie is a sports chiropractor, a certified strength and conditioning specialist, pregnancy and postpartum athleticism coach, and a level 2 Crossfit coach. More importantly, she is a mom to two, who is ridiculously passionate about helping postpartum athletes and moms-to-be restore their bodies and move with confidence. This obsession led her to establish Jen & Keri, a postpartum activewear brand for athletes, and create her wildly successful Postpartum Restoration Plan. Beyond being a mom and a competitive fitness lover, she has spent the last 17 years of her life studying the human body and learning how it moves. Earning her doctorate of chiropractic and a master's in human biology were just a start; she doesn't plan to stop learning any time soon! She is certified in the Webster technique and BirthFit, and has served as the team Chiropractor for the Seattle Seawolves and as the local medical director for AVP Seattle.   Suggested Keywords Healthy, Wealthy, Smart, Physiotherapy, Pregnancy, Postpartum, Motherhood, Exercise, Rehabilitation, Athletics, Training, Empowerment,   To learn more, follow Dr. Karlie at: Website:          www.karliecausey.com                         www.jenandkeri.com Instagram:       @drkarlie                         @jenandkeri   Subscribe to Healthy, Wealthy & Smart: Website: https://podcast.healthywealthysmart.com Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/healthy-wealthy-smart/id532717264 Spotify:                       https://open.spotify.com/show/6ELmKwE4mSZXBB8TiQvp73 SoundCloud:  https://soundcloud.com/healthywealthysmart Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/show/healthy-wealthy-smart iHeart Radio: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/263-healthy-wealthy-smart-27628927   Read the Full Transcript Here:  00:02 Hey, Dr. Carly, welcome to the podcast. I am happy to have you on and excited to talk about exercise during pregnancy and the postpartum period. longtime listeners of this podcast will know that that this is a topic we talk about a lot here. So I'm really great to have you on to get a fresh perspective of things. So welcome.   00:23 Yeah, thank you so much for having me. I'm excited for for our chat.   00:28 So before we get into the nuts and bolts, can you give the listeners a little bit more insight into you and as to why you chose this sort of subset or niche of folks to see?   00:42 Sure, yeah, well, I've been a sports chiropractor now for Gwent, this is a will be my 12th year. So I've been doing that for a while. And I've always loved working with women in general, all walks of life, all stages of life. But when I became pregnant, I really as I feel like it happens for many, many healthcare providers, you really start to embrace the stage that you're in a little bit. So I really started to learn a lot about how how women progress through pregnancy, how they can continue working out how we can minimize, sort of, you know, things that can happen to that are detrimental after the baby comes. So I just really, really dove into that area of expertise. And it just hasn't stopped since then. So I found it very helpful to to have someone walk alongside me during my pregnancy, pelvic floor pt. And so now I try to be that person for a lot of my patients, too.   01:46 That's great. And listen, the more help we can give to women pregnant, and especially in that postpartum period, or that fourth trimester is, as it is called, I think the more people who can offer help, the better because it's not like people are not going to ever get pregnant again. So yeah, have that help. It's really important, and a lot of women just don't know. Right? They don't, I don't know what you don't know. And so if you're not in the healthcare field, there are so many questions, the body changes so much you're feeling maybe Weird Things You Didn't feel before. So getting back to exercise can be a little nerve racking. So   02:26 Oh, go ahead. No, go ahead. I think that, um, you know, it's becoming much more common to talk about this, and that women are wanting to work out more. And what's one of the benefits of social media, you know, is that we're seeing some of this stuff and able to get more info, you know, I talked to friends who had kids 10 years ago, and it just, it doesn't exist at all really, you know, and as far as like, information that was readily available. So I'm happy that, that we're trending in that direction, at least.   02:54 Yeah, absolutely. And now, let's get let's get into the nuts and bolts here now. So can you give us some practical ways to introduce rehab, introduce exercise, after giving birth, and I love the that were practical, right? Because we're talking about women who maybe don't have a whole heck of a lot of time, because they have a newborn to take care of. So I'll hand the mic over to you.   03:25 Yeah, exactly. Um, I think one of the things that I really liked to stress is that we don't need to wait until the six week mark, to start doing what we consider, you know, rehabilitative exercises. So if with an uncomplicated birth, I often have women starting, you know, day two, day three, especially with just breathing exercises. And what what I see very often is, as women are pregnant as their belly is growing, what happens a lot of times is that diaphragm really gets crammed up there. And so we start to see that they're not breathing as deeply, they're not able to belly breathe. And that diaphragm, we have to remember is the top of the quote unquote, core, right? So their pelvic floor is the bottom, we have our diaphragm on the top, and then all the muscles surrounding but I just like to remind women of that, because that muscle getting so kind of constricted throughout pregnancy is really a big deal. And really, starting on the breath work early on can be really, really helpful. So that's one thing that I really like to emphasize is, you know, at day two, day three, even if you had a C section, you can be laying in your hospital bed, doing some deep belly breathing, diaphragmatic breathing, and you're actually doing a lot more than than you think you are, you know, you're actually starting your rehab journey right there. So that's my first tip that I always like to give. I'm sure you as a PT would would agree with that, right? Like there's just so much we can start with so. So yeah, that's number one. And then the other thing that I really like to emphasize is time small rehab activities. into your daily life. So getting away from the mindset that we have to like set aside 3045 minutes an hour, whatever you used to do, or whatever you think you need to do, and say, Okay, I'm going to do 10, diaphragmatic breaths, and 10, air squats. And every time I set the baby down, or every time I change the baby's diaper, or whatever it is, you know, you can kind of pick what works for you. But I like to do that. Because then it's, it's adding in movement throughout your day, it's giving you a sense of control of like, having these pieces of rehab that you can add into your day and feel like you're working towards a goal. And it's taking away the stress of like, okay, you have to have this time set aside, everything has to go perfect, you have to have the perfect workout outfit on and your water bottle ready and the right tunes and like it just doesn't happen with a newborn baby, you know. So I think taking that stress off is another helpful tip.   05:57 Yeah, it's funny, I just did a social media post about this subject when it comes to a home exercise program that, you know, ask your patient in front of you, I because I have a woman who said, you know, I can squeeze in a couple of five to 10 minutes a day. So if you give me two exercises that I can do in between patients, she's a psychologist in between patients, I'll do it. Right. She's like, but if you say, Oh, you have to set aside, like you said, half an hour, 40 minutes to do that. She's like, it's just not gonna get done. Yeah.   06:32 Yeah, it depends on the person, right? Because then you also have people who want that 30 minutes, like, give me, I am used to working out an hour every day, whatever it is, I want my 30 minutes of things to do. And so it's yeah, it's just knowing your patient and like taking the time to ask them those questions of what's going to make them more successful. And the other thing I like is, if you've read the book, habit stacking, that's basically what I'm recommending to is, you know, tying an exercise to something else that you're already doing. So you don't have to think about when am I going to do this when you know, it's like, I always tell new moms don't tie it to brushing your teeth. Because sometimes that doesn't happen, you know, if we're being honest, sometimes doesn't happen on a on a day, but, you know, tie it to something like, okay, when you pick up the baby, change the baby's diaper or hand the baby to your partner, those kinds of things that you're you know, you're going to be doing, then that seems to be a recipe for   07:24 success, too. Yeah. And like you said, most importantly, just ask the patient what works best for them. Right? We're not them, we're not in their shoes. Maybe this woman gave birth, and she's got a ton of help at home. Right? We don't know. Or maybe it's a single mom who gave birth who doesn't have a ton of help. So always just ask, that is the easiest way to come up with a realistic and like you said, practical home exercise program. Okay, anything else, any other practical tips to introduce exercise in rehab after in those first couple of weeks or months, let's say after giving birth?   08:06 Yeah, I think another one is, you know, include the baby is always a good one, right? We tend to forget after we have a baby, depending on the activity level of the person beforehand, we tend to forget that walking is actually exercise, especially in the postpartum period. So I like to remind my patients of that I have a lot of patients who are pretty active, pretty high level of athletics prior to being pregnant. And so I have to remind them that walking in a postpartum phase is exercise, and it does count. And you should be finding time for it. Whatever that looks like with a stroller with a front pack, you know, even if you can get out for a little bit on your own is always nice, too, but not often as doable. But so I like to I like to remind people that and also that we don't necessarily need to jump into walking right away. So it's not something that you know, day 234, walking, probably still doesn't feel very comfortable, whether you have a vaginal birth or a C section. And so remembering that that's just like anything else, you want to work into that slowly, just like any other exercise program, you wouldn't jump right into lifting super heavy weights or, you know, join a competitive athletic league of some kind. So, starting slowly there, too, I think is important. Yeah. And   09:27 you hit on something that I want to kind of circle back to is, you said a lot of the women that you work with tend to be really high level athletes. I know you're also a crossfit coach, right. So you're seeing a lot of these high level, athletic women. So how do you kind of prepare them for this postpartum phase where they're not really going to be able to go back to that heavy lifting right away? Because from a psychological standpoint, I would think that would be can be quite difficult.   09:59 Yeah, it is yes, good question, I think what I tried to do is really lean into what I sort of call the negative side of it. And I try to stress to them that the things that are going to get them back to where they want to be, are really boring. And they're really slow. And they're going to be annoyed by them. But if they do them, in the short term, it's going to pay off in the long term. So starting off slow to get back to where you want to go is always always the right choice in postpartum with postpartum women. So yeah, that's, that's what I start with. And I really explained the breath work because again, that sounds like boring and sort of silly to a lot of people. And before I had a baby, I think I was less, I was less into the breath work, because I just found it so boring. And I would listen, you know, to pts and chiropractors, and, you know, ortho, all kinds of Doc's talking about how important breathwork was. And I was always like, gosh, it's so lame. But then once you feel how that diaphragm really doesn't expand like it used to, and you can't connect your breath with your body, like you use, do you realize, okay, this is actually where we have to start. And once we get this down and get this kind of Mind, Body breath connection down again, then we can start to progress from there. So yeah, I always start off people really slow. I developed a postpartum restoration plan. That's eight weeks. And it's more developed for the type of person that needs like, you know, they need their 20 to 30 minutes of like, here's my rehab, here's my, this is going to substitute for my workout for the day, you know, since I'm not doing a cross a workout or, or hit workout, or whatever they do. But I think that's been helpful to have those exercises, have kind of a game plan. And then, and then I can kind of shift those things around for people that want to like, you know, kind of fit things in here and there. So,   11:50 yeah, yeah, great advice. So really setting those expectations even before the baby comes so that they know what to do. So they know what's coming. And that's huge expectations are everything. Okay, so how about any conditions or barriers to getting back to fitness that maybe some postpartum women may experience?   12:17 Yeah, I always like to talk about this. Because there's, there's some things that people aren't really anticipating, you know, I think a lot of women during pregnancy, they sort of anticipate, okay, maybe a little bit of low back pain, maybe some pelvic pain. Even if they're thinking ahead, some upper back and neck and shoulder pain from being sort of hunched forward and nursing and that sort of thing. One thing that people don't anticipate that obviously isn't like a, you know, life ending condition or anything, but I'm sure you've heard of it, and seeing patients with it is the mommy thumb, you know, mommy wrist, however, we want to call it but that's when it really catches people by surprise. And basically what it is, is, can be pretty severe pain and either the wrist or the thumb and it comes from the forearm extensor muscles, and just from holding that baby and kind of that flexed position. So often, women are generally carrying a lot on the on the same side, if you bet shear, they end up sleeping kind of with the arm curled around the baby often, so then they can kind of get stuck in that position. And those muscles get really, really tight. So I like to tell my patients sort of warn them about that prior to giving birth and have them start on some wrist roller, you know, some eccentric, concentric strengthening of both the flexors and the extensors. And nothing crazy, you know, couple of minutes a day, four or five days a week will make a huge difference in that area. So that's one thing that I like to warn about. And if they with new moms that they're starting to feel that right away, I have them try to start some of those loading exercises, because that will, you know, if we catch it early enough, it can nip it right in the bud. But if we let it go, it can be pretty severe, you know, and people end up getting cortisone shots to take care of it and and there's a time and a place for that. But if we can take care of it beforehand, then let's do that.   14:05 Yeah, absolutely. I once had a woman who she was like, I think in her early 50s. And she started experiencing you know what they call mommy thumb or deeper veins. And hers was from they just gotten a new puppy. So her kids were grown and she's like, it feels like it does. She's like my thumb feels like it did after I had my second child. And so I look at how she's carrying this dog around the whole time. That's why   14:33 Yeah, there you go happens to the best of them, I guess. Yep,   14:36 absolutely. So even even to the moms of new moms of our furry, furry children, our little fairy children, it can still happen. So be prepared. What else what other complications or errors have you seen?   14:50 Yeah, I think one that gets a lot of you know, buzzword right now gets kind of a lot of play is talking about diastasis recti time and I'm glad I'm glad that it becomes So much more common to talk about it talk about what it is how it happens. But I think there's also a lot of fear mongering that goes on with that. Again, on social media, there's, you know, whoever can post whatever, right, so I do see a lot of stuff about about diastasis recti, what not to do. And what I always like to remind people is that it's, it's a normal, natural thing that needs to happen for that baby to grow and for the abdomen to expand. So I think that's really important to tell our patients and make sure that they know that it's supposed to happen, it's going to happen, you know, some studies show up to 100% of women have diastasis, recti, I think, like, week 36. And so, so just reiterating that, like, it's okay, it's gonna happen, we're gonna, we're gonna rehab you out of it, you know, but I think, you know, learning about it is great, and then understanding, okay, it's the separation of those abdominal muscles, what's gonna cause more stress on those? Okay, well, any of the flexion exercises, of course, so sit ups, and across the world, toes, the bar, that kind of thing. Any sort of kipping motion, anything where you're losing control, right down that linea alba down the center of the core, so are dancenter the abs. Also with heavy weights, like that's another thing that a lot of people don't anticipate as heavyweight overhead. Can Can just overstrain that tissue. And so there, I usually recommend people switch to dumbbells, you know, that's a pretty common recommendation, switch to dumbbells from a barbell, if you're using a barbell, they're just more forgiving, and allow you to, you know, move a little bit more efficiently and keep your core a little bit more stable. And then talking about in the postpartum phase, what we're going to do to rehab that. And understanding that, you know, nothing you do during pregnancy is going to, it's not going to hurt, it's not gonna hurt the baby, it's not going to hurt you, it just potentially makes it harder to rehab it later. Right. And so, we're always talking about minimizing those activities, seeing what we can substitute in, so you can still keep moving and doing what you want to do. But, but, you know, kind of playing that game of like cost benefit analysis, like, is it worth it to be doing this exercise? Is there something I could do that's a little bit safer, and just sets me up for a little bit more success down the road? So yeah, I think it's important to really talk during the pregnancy about that. And then in the postpartum phase, talk about where do we start, you know, and again, it goes back to the breathing, I hate to harp on it, but it does. And then there's some really simple diastasis recti exercises, that sort of work on engaging the transverse abdominus, you know, that big flat abdominal muscle that kind of wraps around and, and then from there, kind of retraining your core that okay, we can stay stable. And we can keep, you know, a nice pressure throughout while we start to learn to move our extremities and move a little bit of weight. And just like anything going through kind of progressive overload. But with with the core.   18:06 Yeah. And would you mind giving the listeners maybe a quick example of an exercise that you might work with a patient postpartum? Like, let's say that now, like you said, like 99% of women will have a diastasis after pregnancy? So would you mind giving a quick example?   18:27 Yeah, of course. Yeah. So there, there's tons of them out there. And it really depends on what phase of postpartum she's in. Right. So if it's really early on, like I said, we're going to work on some breathing, and we're going to have her one of the cues I really like is, when we're thinking about kind of trying to, to create tension throughout the abdomen, I like to think of kind of pulling the hip bones together, that's one that seems to work well for a lot of people. So you have them take a breath, and let's say they're lying on their back on the ground with their knees bent, have them take a big breath in, feel right on the inside of their hip bones. And then as they breathe out, they're gonna think about trying to pull those hip bones together. And that can start to help engage that transverse abdominus. And of course, you want them in like a neutral spine, in this position. And from there, then we can progress obviously, you know, with some, like heal slides with the leg lifts. Those are pretty sort of traditional exercises. I also like to incorporate when we start talking about, you know, healing through the entire Corps, I like to incorporate some glute work because that's one thing that gets missed a lot. We, we forget that the glutes are connected to the pelvic floor. So when we're trying to heal this whole barrel that is our core, it's really important to, you know, start with some really basic just even if it's glute bridges, some hip thrusts, those sort of things. I think those need to go hand in hand as we work that posterior chain along with the anterior abdomen.   19:57 Perfect. Thank you so much for those examples. Just gives people a little taste. So let's talk about Jen and Carrie. I will throw it over to you. Why don't you talk a little bit about Jen and Carrie and your company's logo?   20:16 Yeah, thank you. So my company is called Jen and Carrie, and it's sort of funny. My name is Carly, obviously, my partner my business partners name is Jess. So Jess and Carly. But whenever people get our names wrong, which is a lot they call us, they call her Jen. And they call me Carrie. And so as we were talking about what we should name the company, we were like, Jen and Carrie, they sound like you're fun mom friends that like know all the deets and have all the advice. So that's, that's our company name. And unfortunately, it's only further that probably problem a little bit because now you know, email and correspond with people. And they just immediately cost Jen and Carrie, but that's fine. We started the company after my first son. And I was, I believe it was, it was a couple months two or three months postpartum. And I was just getting back into the gym and trying to go back to CrossFit class, I'd done all my rehab, and I was really slowly kind of reintegrating, and I was complaining to her that I just hated all the nursing sports bras out there, I hate the clips, I hate the zipper, the button, like all this stuff, I just hated it. And you know, and across the class, let's say you're doing you're working with a barbell you like kind of dig the barbell into those clips with a PowerClean or a front squat or something or you're running and they pop open. It's like, you know, everyone every mom's worst nightmare. And so we started kind of looking scouring the internet for a sports bra that didn't look like a nursing sports bra, we just didn't find one. So we started kind of toying around and, and playing with a bunch of sports bras, cutting them up and, and it grew into basically the sports bra that we developed, which looks just like a regular sports bra, it has a sort of different technology that you pull up the top layer, pull down the bottom layer, so there's no clips, no zippers, none of that stuff. And really, the reason was, I just wanted to be in my workout class and feel like everyone else, like I wanted to have that hour of time for myself, I love being a new mom, I love being a nursing mom, but I just didn't feel like I needed to be advertising it to the world and my like, one hour class, I just wanted it for me. So that sort of spawned our company. And our goal is basically to just empower women to get back to whatever activities they love. And this is just one way we're doing it, we just feel if if a sports bra is gonna make you feel more comfortable and more confident in your postpartum body, and that's gonna get you moving then that we're all for it. So that's sort of how we started.   22:48 And, and the logo, every mom is an athlete. So controversial take may be right, some people may think I totally get where you're coming from, but go ahead and kind of explain that.   23:02 Yeah, so we have a couple of different reasons for are a couple of different meanings behind our logo, every mom is an athlete, we, first of all, we want women to feel like they can be whatever they want to be. So they can continue being an athlete, if they were before having kids, they can become an athlete, if they want to, you know, whatever that means for them, you know, whether it's running or Jiu Jitsu, or strongman competitions or whatever, we don't care, we just want to support you in whatever you want to do. And we also the other thing that we think about that is that being a mom is a really athletic job. So when you think about the stuff that moms do, you know, you think about the mom, carrying the car seat on one side with the toddler on the other hip with the coffee and the hand with the backpack with the all the stuff and that takes a lot of athleticism, whether you consider yourself an athlete or not. Putting your baby down in a crib is a hip hinge, right? Picking your baby up to put them into the car and the car see is is a press and a lift. So everything that we're doing, we try to we try to think about okay, what, what our moms doing and how can we support them in active wear, you know, as just one of the many ways to support them. What can we do to help support them in in this really athletic endeavor? That is motherhood?   24:21 Yeah, I love it. I think it's great. And I agree I do. I do think every mom is an athlete as well. So not so controversial, although I could see where people are coming from on that. So currently, as we start to wrap things up, what would you like the audience to take away? What are your takeaways from our discussion?   24:45 Yeah, that's a great question. Um, I think I would love for them to take away just that. You can continue being who you who you were before motherhood in whatever context that means for you And, and, you know, an entirely different version of that maybe, but like you can continue all the athletic pursuits you had before. That I want women to feel to feel empowered in the postpartum phase. And I try to do that in a lot of different ways, right? Like in my clinic, with my postpartum plan, but doing things like these to just like, talk about, here's some simple things you can do to help reintegrate your core and start building your strength back and just feel stable and confident, comfortable in your new body. That's my goal, really. And so that's our goal, Jen and Carrie, that's my goal, personally, and I think that would be my takeaway.   25:42 And where can people find you? You can list social media websites, where can they find Jen and Carrie?   25:50 Yeah, so Jen and carrie.com, it's JdN and ke ri. We're also on Instagram at Jen and Carrie. And then I'm also on Instagram at Dr. Carly, it's KR, li e. Those are probably the best places. Perfect. And   26:04 we'll have links to all of those in the show notes for today's episode over at podcast at healthy, wealthy smart.com. So if you forgot you didn't write it down. Don't worry, just hop on over. And we'll have direct links to everything. So, Carly, last question. And it's one I asked everyone knowing where you are now in your life in your career, what advice would you give to your younger self?   26:27 Yeah, I know, you asked that question. And I've been like really thinking hard about it. Um, I think I would give the sounds so cliche and sort of silly, but I think I would tell myself to have more fun, because the research shows when we're having fun is when we actually enter that flow state more right? We can talk about that for hours, I'm sure. But I think I would tell myself that because I look back and see the hard work of school, you know, education, but also in sports athletics, through high school college. I just think I if I would have had more fun, I probably would have been more successful. But also maybe, you know, maybe it would have been a little bit smoother ride. So that would be my advice.   27:09 Yeah. And, and as an entrepreneur as well, right? So sometimes, yeah, gets so wrapped up into the day to day that we're like, all stressed out and forget, like, wait a second, we got into this as a business owner, as an entrepreneur, to do things our own way. So why can't that involve having some fun every day as well?   27:31 Yeah, exactly like this. Right? We get to just sit and chat about stuff we love to chat about. This is a good time. This is fun. So yes, great point. Even in the entrepreneurial life, especially.   27:41 Yeah, especially anyway, and you're Listen, I'd love to have you come back on to talk about that aspect of, of your life as well. Because I love having successful female entrepreneurs and talk about their business and, and how they got things off the ground. Because I know people are always interested in that. So you'll have to come back. I love it. Yeah, I think you'll have to come back. And you'll have to talk about your sports Cairo business as well as the Jen and Carrie. So you know, being in that space of a retail space, which I know is not easy. So, so much to talk about. So we will put a pin in that and we will discuss that maybe in a couple of months. So Carly, thank you so much for coming on. I really appreciate it. This was great. I think you gave people a lot of practical easy tips that they can start integrating whether you're a postpartum mom or someone who cares for them. So thank you so much for coming on.   28:44 Yeah, thank you so much for having me. My pleasure. And everyone. Thanks   28:47 so much for listening. Have a great couple of days and stay healthy, wealthy and smart.