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In this show we discuss: -Navigating The Recent NAR Buyer Agent Commission Court Ruling ft. Matt Bates -Understanding The Seller Net Sheet When Selling Your Home ft. Melissa D'Ellena -The San Francisco & Silicon Valley Real Estate Market ft. Alan Canas -RIBlogger's Top 5 Mid September 2024 Events Coming Up in Rhode Island!

In this Xmas special we zoom out from Fintech to Tech as a whole in one of Europe's coolest capitals – Berlin. Ivan is a great person to guide us through the scene having spent many years in the Ur-tech hub of San Francisco/Silicon Valley. This also means that he understands both the outsiders perspective on Berlin tech as well as now an experienced and well informed insider. Ivan honestly lays out both the highs and the lows of being in Tech in Berlin – the good news and the challenges and the somewhat insane (see below) – that he has encountered with his embedded financial infrastructure startup Monite. A particularly insane quirk of German law is the need to get documents notarised. Ok well so no big deal eh? Well not as such however if you for example do a raise then the notary takes a percentage of the value raised for (a) reading the whole document out to you in German (even if you do not speak German!) and (b) notarising that “yeh he signed it”. Topics discussed include: historical contexts of Germany, a very young country, and Berlin San Francisco pre- and post- covid years Berlin is Berlin and international as well as German is there still a felt sense of former west and east Berlin? What are the differences? district-centric view of Berlin where startups tend to be based Ivan's career in SF and journey to Berlin being in SF during boom times the leading continental tech centres Ivan considered pre-conceptions/understandings of Berlin from America vs the reality what gets taken for granted in SF and what the vibe is different vibes of innovation – SF being in more radical innovation the more positive developments from Berlin – “finally having a life” the major tech sectors in Berlin and particular strength tech scene in Berlin starts in the 90s German regulation – did they get it right? are their actually subsector “scenes” or is entrepreneurial activity centrifugally spread around German tradition of entrepreneurialism what binds tech firms together in Berlin Berlin is roughly 1/3 the population of London comparing via looking at the number/distributions of WeWorks the city/state/country's importance or otherwise in creating a tech scene versus it being entrepreneur-led Germany does a lot of good things for entrepreneurs but also a lot of total passion killers immigration restrictions for talent lower than the US what makes it hard to do business in Germany super-easy to get fined when forming a company the outrageous notarisation fees (as above) and impact on fund-raising the difficulties and paperwork involved in a US investor investing in a German startup – the costs can be higher than the raise :-O challenges of legalities and difficulties there Case Study  of trivial business expenses – state checking down to €3 or 4…! due to the challenges a lot of startups are forming legal entities outside Germany what Germany gets right “some aspects of doing business are just absolutely crazy or unimaginable for 2023” many things are still mailed not emailed – “insane” levels of posted mail well-designed for some activities but not for entrepreneurialism the investment scene in Berlin – angles/desires and presence of VCs.. why German startups never tend to wide-scale success the response of successful businesses as a result what Ivan would look for now if he were starting again global fundraising to overcome local challenges what Monite does and where it is going what embedded workflows are and how they fit in innovating SME finance And much much more

11 of the top 16 AI companies in the world - Nvidia, ChatGPT, OpenAI - are located in the Bay Area. And new venture capital investment and talent is flocking to the area. But how will regulation impact the development of the industry. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/james-herlihy/message

In today's episode, I'm joined by two email marketing experts, Jason Deitch and Jeff Langmaid from The Smart Chiropractor. They're here to share their insights on how email marketing can be a powerful tool to promote your chiropractic practice. We'll cover a range of topics, including the basics of email marketing, why it's such a powerful marketing tactic, and how you can use it to communicate effectively with your patients. We'll also discuss the types of emails you should be sending, how often to send them, and what kind of content you should include to maximise your ROI. As you'll soon learn, email marketing is one of the most effective ways to reach your patients and continue to educate and build strong relationships. So, if you're ready to take your chiropractic practice to the next level, sit back, relax, and let's dive into today's episode. Thanks for all you do. Keep saving lives. Angus Links: Website : www.thesmartchiropractor.com Free Resources (feel free to highlight any): https://thesmartchiropractor.com/resources/  Schedule a Demo: www.thesmartchiropractor.com/demo Bio: Jeff Langmaid founded The Evidence Based Chiropractor, which has become one of the most trusted media outlets in chiropractic. With previous experience in the leadership of a large multidisciplinary group which spent over $5 million per month on marketing; he knows what works, what doesn't, and how to get results. Jeff lives in Tampa, FL. Jason Deitch is a passionate chiropractor, founder, and investor. As the founder of AmpLIFEied, he has contributed to over 100 million impressions on Facebook promoting positive inspiration and organic healthcare. He has spoken around the world regarding marketing and communications for health professionals and manages an active portfolio of technology investments. Jason lives in the San Francisco/Silicon Valley area.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Can you imagine what you pet business will look like in 25 years? Well, this podcast will give you an idea, because I'm talking to Jan Brown, of Jans Pet Sitting, who is a legend of the pet sitting world with over 25 years experience in the industry. Jan primarily offers cat sits and some dog walks in the San Francisco/Silicon Valley area, where she also grew up .  She hated school, but got through it and started a career doing several jobs working in the corperate world, but wanted a change and thought about going back to school, until Jans own pet sitter left town, and Jan took over the business ten days later!  This kicked off what would become a business lasting a over quarter of a century.  Tune in to discover; Why more people are travelling for pleasure then for work, post lockdown.  Why, if you're in the pet industry it's better to start something and learn as you go  Why you need to keep your pet sitting area small, if you want to have a profitable and efficient business.  How Jan got the confidence to lean into her cat sitting niche. Why Jan is a HUGE fan of attending pet business conferences, for the content AND the community This was such an enjoyable interview and you'll gain a lot of value from Jan's business stories.  Check it out now!   To find out more about Jan's business click here now To find out about Dom's USA seminar tour click here now To grab a copy of Dom's new book, How to Disnify Your Pet Business Click here now To grab one of the last remaining 2023 Pet Business Promotional Calendars (which will make promoting your services super easy) click here now To join Dom's Diamond Pet Business Development program click here now

Matt Fok is also the Founder and CEO of eLearningZoom and eZ-Xpo, a new game changer innovator in cloud applications based in San Francisco Silicon Valley, California that develops the next generation of online training, virtual event/expo, and business networking solutions for constant collaboration, constant learning, and constant lead generation. Mr. Matt Fok has comprehensive entrepreneurial technology experiences in sales/marketing, strategic planning, business development, and product management. He has a strong knowledge of telecommunication, Customer Relationship Management (CRM), B2B, Learning Management Systems (LMS), Web Conferencing, and e-Business Infrastructure Technology. He is well-versed in intercultural communication and business practices with business partners in Asia, China, and Europe. Mr. Fok is also an Assistant Professor of Management at Golden Gate University, Capella, and AIUI Online for undergraduate and graduate programs. He holds his M.B.A. in International Marketing and Finance from the University of San Francisco, McLaren School of Business. He received a B.S. in Electrical Engineering from California Polytechnic State, San Luis Obispo. He has successfully developed global product strategy and launched profitable products with over $100M accumulative sales through comprehensive product delivery lifecycle process. He has served as a Senior Strategic Product Manager for many companies including Kana Software Inc., Siebel Inc., AT&T, and IBM in Bay Area, CA Promo Code: newyear2023 Links https://ez-xpo.com Follow me on Facebook: Santino Peralta Instagram: sonny232323 Snapchat: peralta2323 Twitter: @santinoperalta1 TikTok: @cryptokid23 https://www.facebook.com/cryptokidpodcast/ affiliate link: https://kitcaster.com/cryptokid/ --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/cryptokid/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/cryptokid/support

Albert Liang began his startup consultancy in Shanghai at the tail end of web2 when true innovation was difficult and competitors were on every corner, evolving to become the longest running startup pre-accelerator across the board. However, despite this success, feeling that strict policies governing tech in China had made innovation a challenge, Albert went looking for a new environment conducive to the work he does best. For many innovators in his situation, web3 would be a natural choice, but Albert and his team first had to overcome strong resistance to joining the crypto space. With a little encouragement from friends already in the space, he recalibrated his beginner's mind to run the first Web3 Startup Lab cohort in 2022 with amazing success. I sat down with Albert to talk about his work helping people build the best versions of themselves, his insights around mindset and creating new thought patterns, the huge areas of growth he sees for the web3 space in these early days, and why bear markets are actually prime for innovation and disruption in business. - Meet Our Guest Founder, Investor, and Coach. Albert dedicates his time to enabling the transformation of aspiring entrepreneurs to become effective startup founders to build meaningful and sustainable startups. He is the Co-Founder of iGenesiis Group and Web3 Startup Lab, and which have successfully empowered 22 cohorts of entrepreneurs, making him one of the global leaders for pre-accelerators. Entrepreneurs experience transformation quickly due to an immersive program of hands-on startup tasks designed to build your startup while forming new habits and mindset needed to succeed! He spends his free time exploring NFT, Defi, and Metaverse projects.  Albert is originally from San Francisco / Silicon Valley. Connect with Albert on https://twitter.com/btc_albert (Twitter) - What We Unraveled * Albert's background in helping people turning their ideas into startups, and how it evolved into his his founding of Web3 Startup Lab, the Stacks pre-accelerator * Albert's knack for seeing the talent in people and helping them become the best version of themselves * What made Albert come around to crypto after being very resistant for a long time * The immense value in having someone you can trust who already knows about crypto to ask questions about * The three factors that define success for Albert * Why Albert believes the key to solving problems is changing habits and thought patterns * The pitfalls of thinking too much, and how focusing on one user can be beneficial * Finding the balance between intuition and being pragmatic when starting a new venture * Why Albert and his team were afraid to start working with a pre-accelerator cohort focused on web3 and crypto, but now are geared to encourage people to enter the space * The advantages of joining the web3 and crypto space now in the very early days  * The key areas of growth Albert sees in crypto including non-custodial solutions and NFTs  * What Albert believes is the enemy of innovation * The insights Albert garnered from joining the space just before the bear market hit, and why he says that historically bear markets and recessions are the best times to start new businesses * Why Stacks enables products to be more efficiently built on Bitcoin * The cut off dates to apply for the next Web3 Startup Lab pre-accelorator * Why growth comes with the responsibility of recalibrating yourself consistently - Unravel Further Web3 Startup Lab on https://twitter.com/web3startuplab (Twitter) https://www.f6s.com/web3-startup-lab/apply (Apply to Join) the next cohort Web3 StartupLab on https://www.web3startuplab.io/ (Web) https://www.stacks.co/ (Stacks) https://twitter.com/stacksorg (Stacks Foundation) https://twitter.com/melmasonbtc (Melanie Mason) https://twitter.com/to (Trevor Owens) https://stacksventures.io/ (Stacks Ventures) https://bitcoin.org/ (Bitcoin)...

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On this edition of the Voice of Business Podcast presented by ALTRES, Jo McGarry interviews Rana Sarkar, Consul General of Canada in San Francisco, CA. McGarry and Sarkar discuss Canada and Hawaii's historical relationship that goes back to 1780 when indigenous Hawaiians crewed transpacific ships and settled in Vancouver taking jobs in the furring, mining and timber industries. And, today, a good part of British Columbia's population is of Hawaiian ancestry. This rich friendship between our two countries is so much more than ancestry, today, over 1 million Canadians choose Hawaii as their destination of choice for vacation and spend over $1.6 billion dollars annually in the Hawaiian islands.Listen to this podcast to learn how you can tap into the Canadian demographics of visitors to support your business growth in 2022. If you do business in Hawaii and are Canadian, please contact the Chamber to be added to the Consult of Canada's friend group to learn more about networking opportunities with fellow Canadians who reside in the islands. Bio:Mr. Rana Sarkar was appointed as Consul General of Canada in San Francisco | Silicon Valley in 2017, with accreditation for Northern California and Hawaii. He is also a member of Canada's NAFTA Advisory Council.Mr. Sarkar previously served as National Director for High Growth Markets at KPMG Canada and co-chairman of the advisory board at the Munk School of Global Affairs at the University of Toronto. From 2009 - 2013, he was President and Chief Executive Officer of the Canada-India Business Council.

Max Armbruster: Hello, welcome back to the Recruitment Hackers Podcast. I'm your host Max Ambruster and today I'm delighted to welcome on the show Julia DeBari who isMax Armbruster: a designer turned into a recruiter of designers, and we'll get to her story in a minute, and I hope to ask Julia about how to hire designers and how to hire them in a way which opens your talent pool and opens the door to as many qualified talents as possible.Max Armbruster: So Julia well, welcome to… welcome to the show.Julia DeBari: Thank you very much Max, I appreciate you having me.Max Armbruster: It's a pleasure. It's a pleasure. We… we got connected because I saw some of Julia's work online where she… she explained some of for UX and design work. And… and Julia like many, many recruiters kind of stumbled into recruitment and talent acquisition. I suppose bit late in your career.Max Armbruster: So it's only been… you've only been a full time recruiter for less than a year, right?Julia DeBari: Five months.Max Armbruster: Five months. So well,Max Armbruster: that's the hardest part probably.Max Armbruster: Hope… hope you're hanging in there and but yeah how did you end up… Well, tell us a little bit about yourself, your background and… and then perhaps how you ended up in talent acquisition.Julia DeBari: Sure. Sure. Yeah, so as Mike said then in UX design actually 22 years, primarily in the San Francisco Silicon Valley area. Most of my life, I recently moved up to the Pacific Northwest.Julia DeBari: And I had the normal career, you know, go up the career ladder and then I decided that wasn't for me, and so I switched to teaching UX design for five years.Julia DeBari: And I got a little burnt out, and switched to design program management for a year and felt like I just wasn't having the same impact that I was able to in the past.Julia DeBari: So yes, I decided to try recruiting to see how the sausage is made, so to speak.Julia DeBari: As I was doing education, I saw so many students struggling to find that first job after graduating. And I just really wanted to understand the hiring process and more detail, so I took the plans and jumped right in and been doing it for five months.Max Armbruster: All right, all right. And you're… you're helping… are you able to help those young people today find jobs? Or is it like every other field? Nobody wants to hire them straight out of school. We want them to have like three, four years to basically to have their…Max Armbruster: To… to have all their training, the initial training, paid for by someone else.Julia DeBari: Yes, now it's just like that.Julia DeBari: In my recruiting role, I got one junior graphic design position and I've gotten 500 applicants in 24 hours.Julia DeBari: That I get to go through.Julia DeBari: So yeah it's really tough, just like many other industries, design mostly wants senior people.Julia DeBari: Frustrating. And many people out of school do a lot of contract or freelance work for a few years before a company is willing to take a chance on them.Max Armbruster: Yeah, it's a great way to at least get something started, go build a portfolio, you go on Upwork, you take the odd gig, and then adds up right? I mean,Max Armbruster: Yeah, people put Upwork on their resume all the time now.Max Armbruster: Good enough for me, actually. As an employer who works with a remote distributed team, I'd be happy if somebody spends five years on Upwork, as long as they got good credentials.Julia DeBari: Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, it's sort of your only option to waive the processes right now.Max Armbruster: Well Julia, I'm thinking about these…Max Armbruster: these young people who don't have a long portfolio and these 500 candidates. Did you know… did you come up with a process that works and that… that you could recommend for others who are hiring designers?Julia DeBari: Um, I don't think I've quite finalized the process. I think I've made some improvements.Julia DeBari: But the thing is the improvements are mostly just me. I'm still trying to scale those improvements out to other people.Julia DeBari: And I think one thing, so when I was in UX design, I was a manager and hiring.Julia DeBari: And I was much more open to mentoring, whoever the new person on the team was. And I know there's a lot of hiring managers who are just too busy and don't have the time, which is why they're looking for seniors.Julia DeBari: So I think what's positive in the industry is there are a lot of design apprenticeship programsJulia DeBari: popping up where people can join and get the ongoing mentorship well working, if they can get someone to take a chance on them. And I think that's really important to be like, I have a regular steady mentor who I talk with and reviews my work.Julia DeBari: And I think that helps when you can bring that to the table when you're interviewing.Max Armbruster: And that does sound…Oh, you mean the candidates would…Oh, no, you mean the recruiter of the candidate should…Julia DeBari: Oh, the candidate. So, something I like advocateJulia DeBari: for when I get junior candidates is to tell them like step by step, how to like get a regular mentor, and like how to get by.Max Armbruster: Get a mentor and bring that to the discussion. Bring out to…to the interview.Julia DeBari: Yeah.Max Armbruster: Oh yeah, brilliant! I could use a mentor from…from my designers. That's…that's not a dig. It's just to say we know we're a small business and we don't…we don't necessarily have the layer of senior mentorship available in house. Julia DeBari: We need to take that conversation offline and give me someJulia DeBari: free consulting advice.Max Armbruster: Thank you. I will…I will take you up on that. And so thinking about the…the mistakes we want to avoid when…when hiring designers.Max Armbruster: What are…what are some…I mean you must have…you must have hired a few in your days when…when you were on the other side, when you're managing your design.Max Armbruster: Can…can you run…you know, kind of walk…walk me back through some of the hiring mistakes that you may have made. And what you…what you've learned from that, and how employers can avoid hiring the wrong designer.Julia DeBari: Yeah, um.Julia DeBari: One mistake I made it was notJulia DeBari: special. So anyway,Julia DeBari: I was a manager and I inherited a team. And then we wanted to bring some new people on, and I went on vacation and the hiring process started without me.Julia DeBari: And when I got back from vacation, I had a new…two new people on my team that I did not interview. So I definitely do not recommend doing that.Julia DeBari: And I think I strongly suggest when you are having a designer, that they meet at least a couple people on the team. Not just the hiring manager and their boss, or the cross-functional partners, but they need to talk to some people that they're going to work with on a day-to-day basis.Julia DeBari: What I used to back when it was in person, obviously, things are a lot different with remote, that I think is helpful is showing them like the creative area, or where they will be doing their work. So if you do have people in person.Julia DeBari: You know it's a lot different some places, still have the whole cubicle setup or you know, is it a total office setup or ballpen setup or whatever. So that was useful but I don't think it matters now with remote work.Julia DeBari: But do letting people know, like the cadence of meetings. I think that's one thing, depending on the company.Julia DeBari: You know, some companies are really meeting heavy, and some people really don't like that. And so, those are some important things as a hiring manager. You can let candidates know, so they're not surprised when they set the offer and start.Max Armbruster: Yeah, that's…that's tricky right toMax Armbruster: be able to figure out if somebody is meeting friendly or not meeting friendly. I know the…I have my ideas on who likes meetings and who doesn't in my company. I would say, most of the engineers are quite…are pushing back heavily on it.Max Armbruster: And I suppose generally if you could map out who's an interest back introvert versus an extrovert, then you can figure out how much they enjoy meetings, but that could be simplifying things. How do you…Yeah, how do you determine that's on…with their…with their candidates?Julia DeBari: Um, yeah. I usually just ask and say like we usually have…depending on like what client I'm hiring for, like there's usually X number of meetings a day. And another thing I think is importantJulia DeBari: is like are those meetings planned? And like they're on your calendar like a week or two in advance? Or is it likeJulia DeBari: fire? You know emergency. Okay, we throw like an hour long meeting on the calendar and five minutes, so that you know we canJulia DeBari: rush to do a crisis. I've certainly worked at places where they just like proliferating like mushrooms, but nothing was hardly ever planned out as far as needed. So that was a little bit of a pain. So I'm just asking those questions straight up.Max Armbruster: Yeah, like what is your average week look like? How could it be better?Max Armbruster: And you know what you…And maybe some designers will say: Oh I…I wish I had more me. I wish I had more interaction. I was more involved with other sides of the business and possibly you'll get that kind of candidate to.Julia DeBari: Yeah. Yeah.Max Armbruster: And then, and so, so that's…that's kind of a culture fit question. And then in terms of technical assessment, what do you do?Julia DeBari: That sounds really interesting. There's quite a debate in the industry around say like technical assessments in the sense. And I'm sure it's not just design, where there are so many tools and it's like a job description, a list you know you must know these five tools or something.Julia DeBari: But honestly, almost every job I've had, there's been a new tool or something. So I would say for hiring managers, I would look more for someone who can pick up a new program really quickly, and not use that as criteria to cross someone off the list.Julia DeBari: I use so many different software's and…Oh my God, I said software is a complete mess with that. So many different software programs andJulia DeBari: you know, it usually just takes me like a few hours or a day or so, to pick them up. And so I think a lot of people are like that, and so I see hiring managers like: Oh, they must know this program,Julia DeBari: or like we work only in…like I just got a design, like a UX design job and they only work in Illustrator and I'm like Julia DeBari: Well, most…Max Armbruster: It is like,Max Armbruster: if you don't know my software, then what kind of person are you? It's that sortMax Armbruster: of tribal instinct thatMax Armbruster: kicks in where we think: Oh you're an outlook person? Gross.Max Armbruster: You know.Julia DeBari: Exactly. So I seeJulia DeBari: things like that getting in the way of hiring great candidates a lot.Max Armbruster: Yeah. So okay, try to shake off all your…So we have…we have all these biases, right?Julia DeBari: Yes.Max Armbruster: We imagine a candidate to be a certain physical type gender, age group, etc, and…and software package to come with it, or if it's not an Adobe Indesign person, I don't want to touch it.Julia DeBari: Yeah.60Max Armbruster: So we got to get rid of those biases, and then we got to get to the core. So the the core of…of a great designer.Max Armbruster: I don't know how do you measure that. Like is it artistic sensibility? You see their portfolio, and you ask them to walk you…walk them through the artistic…you know the creative process.Julia DeBari: Um, well you caught on a keyword there. Process. So the great thing about UX design specifically is that it's using an old fashioned term. It's both right brained and left brained. So you want someone who can think critically, and ask a lot of questions andJulia DeBari: not just take things for granted or take things at face value. But then you also, as you said, you want someone with that aesthetic sense and that creative ability.Julia DeBari: So yeah. So I really feel like your portfolio is really where you can stand out as a candidate, and as a hiring manager that should be your like singleJulia DeBari: point of reference versus someone's like resume or like where they went to school or whatever. And in that portfolio, you want to seeJulia DeBari: you know, attention to detail in the design artifacts that are on the portfolio, as well as an explanation of like how they went through that project's process.Julia DeBari: You know ofJulia DeBari: like…so things…Julia DeBari: Oh sorry, go ahead.Max Armbruster: I'm sorry. Yeah, I was gonna say that portfolio is a little bit like a resume. You can…you can put a lot of stuff in there. It doesn'tMax Armbruster: always have to be true, right?Julia DeBari: Oh, that's a good question. I never thought about that. But I've heard…Julia DeBari: many story.Max Armbruster: But you know, a lot of people cheat on their resume a little bit, or bend…bend the truth a little bit. And I imagine, they do the same on portfolios and…Max Armbruster: You know I would look at a portfolio and say: Well, did you really design that?Julia DeBari: Yeah. No, actually you totally reminded me it was last year. The year before I was talking to a friend andJulia DeBari: they'd hired someone based on their…this person's portfolio. Like she wasn't the hiring manager, but this person was going to be her co-worker. And it turns out they totally copied someone else's portfolio, like ripped it off like letter to letter.Julia DeBari: So that is one reason why we see so many design challenges. Like unfortunately, it's awful to do it as a candidate, butJulia DeBari: I've done a lot of interviewing with other hiring managers, and the amount of responses where people are scarred by hiring the wrong person, is likeJulia DeBari: fear. Like they're afraid hiring the wrong person. And just to your point like, person has a great portfolio, but did they really do the work? How can I test for that? It's not like programming, where you write test cases or something like that, or your code works or it doesn't work.Max Armbruster: You…you I was gonna ask you design challenges and tests. I'm sure people have come up with those hundred different ways byMax Armbruster: now.Max Armbruster: There's no one exercise that you…you think works for you or for hiring somebody, let's say you know one or two years out of school?Julia DeBari: Yeah, I actually really like…It's totally free online. It's been up for years, like you can totally just go use it. Google'sJulia DeBari: Innovation lab, so it's called. It's the guy who wrote that book Sprint Jake Nap whatever. I don't remember. It's called Google GV Labs. Google Venture Labs. That's what it is.Julia DeBari: He put a great design challenge of online. You can download it. Use it. I think it's almost perfect, like it…you know, those what you needed to do.Max Armbruster: The design's print is a five day process for answering critical business questions through design prototyping and testing ideas with customers.Julia DeBari: Yep.Max Armbruster: That one? Okay.Max Armbruster: All right, something to check out. So that's…that's something you…we you… you can dictate the outcome a little bit? Or it's…it's an open challenge?Julia DeBari: It's an open challenge. Yeah. And it's just the challenges online like you don't need to buy the book or anything.Max Armbruster: And it's time…it looks like it's time bound.Julia DeBari: Yeah. Yeah.Max Armbruster: Because the other thing with portfolios is maybe you have a beautiful piece of work, but it took you three years to do that one thing.Julia DeBari: Yeah, very good point.Julia DeBari: Yeah.Max Armbruster: Okay, andMax Armbruster: what…what other…any other advice on how to find…you know, how to give young designers a chance,Max Armbruster: and how to avoid mistakes on hiring UX designers?Julia DeBari: Um. Well, I could go on and on about gibbering junior UX a chance, but I guess just more on the hiring, a little bit like really looking into like diversity and inclusion.Julia DeBari: There are lots of great places like don't just use LinkedIn or Indeed to find candidates,Julia DeBari: especially like junior candidates. They might not you know fully be aware of these platforms, or at least LinkedIn.Julia DeBari: So you can go to like Behance or Dribble, which are like sort of portfolio websites. And you know there's also…I don't know if clubs is the right word, but there's like blacks who design, and let team knows who design, andJulia DeBari: whole bunch of like specific groups around that kind of thing that are a good place to find people.Julia DeBari: So, I definitely recommend reaching out to those groups. And then one thing I do and it's worked for me, both as a candidate and a hiring manager, is using things like Slack groups or design communities.Julia DeBari: Instead of just using like a job board to like go find people and just reach out to them on these like Slack communities, or whatever you know Discord, TikTok. There's design communities and reaching out to people.Max Armbruster: And it sounds like at theMax Armbruster: at the junior end of the…the talent pool, then there's this too much talents, though there's…there's an oversupply. And what's…what's the other side of that equation? What are the…what are the…the type of profiles that are in such high demand that nobody can find them?Julia DeBari: Yeah. So it's usually seniorly like UX designer.Julia DeBari: And I have tons of friends with those titles, and yeah they're…Max Armbruster: They don't have to sweat for work.Julia DeBari: No, they really do not. They can pretty much just walk up and get almost whatever they want.Max Armbruster: It's still a good career choice for people who want to move into it. It's a good career prospect.Julia DeBari: Yeah yeah definitely and Julia DeBari: One thing I would say…Oh sorry.Max Armbruster: No, no, go ahead.Julia DeBari: I would say to companies, it is a hiring frenzy out there, andJulia DeBari: being a recruiter with like some jobs are like: Yeah we want to hire right away. And yet you still take like weeks to like give feedback or schedule interviews, where I have other candidates likeJulia DeBari: the client went through in just a couple days, and they got an offer at the end of the week. So you really, really need to move fast right now. Like you can't take weeks or months to decide on a candidate.Max Armbruster: That…that is music to my ear, I think.Max Armbruster: For most jobs, it should be like that actually. But but we…we all fall asleep at the wheel sometimes, unfortunately.Max Armbruster: And what's the…Max Armbruster: You…you're now in…in recruitment and interviewing designers. Do you think that having…having been a UX designer, a lead designer for a long time decades, you said that…Max Armbruster: Do you think that that gives you an edge as a recruiter? And you know the follow on question to that is…if somebody does is a recruiter for…for designers,Max Armbruster: you know, should they…what kind of…what kind of education do they need to access in order to speak the right language? I mean I don't know if it's given you an edge or not, or if you feel like you're more catching up to the recruitersMax Armbruster: on how recruitment is done. I've seen a lot of people come into recruitment and kind of get the hang of it quickly, and use their…their past experience as…as a way to build trust with candidates.Julia DeBari: Yeah. No, I think it's definitely helped me build trust and like quick rapport really quickly like I was screening someone earlier,Julia DeBari: and they're like: Oh, you're a fellow like part of the creative community. And they're like really happy to talk to me. And so it's definitely actually been a positive thing. And to your point, I feel like picking up the general process of recruiting was very quick.Julia DeBari: There's some little nuances that I think just might be like company specific that I'm still trying to understand.Julia DeBari: Yeah, but I think that's good.Max Armbruster: I'm taking a fresh look at things. I mean the recruitment process is changing very fast. It's different now than it was two years ago,Max Armbruster: pre-pandemic. And so people are still catching up all the time. So I thinkMax Armbruster: they are bringing in external…you know people external from talent acquisition is…is generally positive. I've seen a lot of companies succeed well bringing somebody from outside.Julia DeBari: Yeah. I agree.Max Armbruster: And hopefully you'll stick around in talent acquisition, and help a lot of people, and make a lot of money,Max Armbruster: or whatever…whatever you're in it for.Julia DeBari: Thank you.Max Armbruster: It was a pleasure to meet you, Julia, and to…to get it a little bit into this…this unique world of hiring UX designers. How can people get a hold of you? And…and yeah, what's the best way for them to get in touch?Julia DeBari: Definitely LinkedIn.Julia DeBari: I just saw LinkedIn is called a social media network, whichJulia DeBari: I was unaware of.Julia DeBari: But I'm stuck to LinkedIn the way other people are to like instagram or Twitter or…Max Armbruster: I was…Max Armbruster: I wanted to ask you actually. Are most UX designers, do they have a preferred social media?Julia DeBari: Um, actually Twitter seems to be more popular.Max Armbruster: Oh, that's…Max Armbruster: that's ironic. It's a text based social mediaMax Armbruster: that wins the people doing design.Julia DeBari: Yeah. There…there are people on…I mean there's definitely a good group of people on LinkedIn, butJulia DeBari: I find a lot of people on Twitter too.Max Armbruster: Okay.Max Armbruster: Good. And there, I asked instagram, TikTok.Julia DeBari: Um. Not this…Well,Julia DeBari: I haven't seen on TikTok, or not TikTok, Instagram very many like people searching for jobs.Julia DeBari: And like I thought like: Oh that'd be a good way to likeJulia DeBari: maybe also branch out your portfolio to like show pieces and stuff like, you know, on your bio or something. But I haven't really seen it that much which actually surprised me.Julia DeBari: And then I have seen some people do some interesting things on TikTok but definitely the more junior people you know.Max Armbruster: 18 to 25 year old.Julia DeBari: Yeah. Yeah.Max Armbruster: Yeah.Max Armbruster: All right, excellent! Thanks, Julia.Max Armbruster: And…Julia DeBari: Thank you, Max.Max Armbruster: All the best with your career and recruitment.Julia DeBari: Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Thank you. Have a great day.

Dr. Molly Maloof is a Physician, Medical Advisor, and Professor at Stanford University. Since 2012, Dr. Molly has worked as an independent advisor & strategy consultant to over 45 technology companies in San Francisco & Silicon Valley on optimizing peak cognitive performance. Molly is also one of the leading medical experts on psychedelic medicine and will be coming out with her signature love potion shortly.  Connect with Molly https://drmolly.co/ https://www.instagram.com/drmolly.co/?hl=en http://mollymaloofmd.com/ https://www.facebook.com/MollyMaloofMD/

We have one of our favourite returning guests on the podcast today, entrepreneur and practicing MD Molly Maloof, who is back this time going straight to the heart of health and happiness; Love, sex, relationships, and the harmonious intersection of medicine and love. One of the many reasons we love the work of Dr. Molly is she's all about maximising potential and better function within the human body. Evolving in her practice and true to form with her ever-innovative mind, Dr. Molly's work has recently taken a more focused move into the space of relationships and how the quality of our close relationships significantly determines our long-term health. Healthy relationships help us cope better and defuse the external stresses of life; So why not focus on improving relationships? Inspired by years of experience and research in psychedelics, the neurobiology of love, and drug-assisted therapy, Dr. Molly is developing a company that aims to improve relationships and strengthen bonds through drug-assisted therapy. A complete paradigm shift in the way we view modern medicine and an upgrade to the human condition and relationships. As always with Mason and Dr. Molly, this episode is energised and thought-provoking. They explore the topics of psychedelic-assisted therapies, sexual dysfunction and the root causes of relationship problems, the history of MDMA and couples therapy, where modern medicine is falling short, and so much more. Tune in for good convo and sovereign health.   "I think technology is where we see these bonds decay. We're seeing people give up their marriages, we're seeing people walk away from long-term relationships, and we're seeing families and children affected. One of the most adverse childhood experiences a kid will have is a divorce. Why are we not looking at these fundamental facets of society and saying, gosh, why can't we do better?" And maybe there's a way we can do better that's ethical, honourable, that's scientifically sound, and will leave people better than we found them".   - Dr. Molly Maloof     Mason and Molly discuss:   Natural Aphrodisiacs. Entactogens (empathogens) The psychedelic movement. Psychedelic assisted therapy. Combatting stress through love. Relationships, community, and happiness. How relationships affect long-term health. Exploring root trauma and healing sexuality. Technology and the decay of relationships. Sexual dysfunction and relationship problems. Dopamine, Norepinephrine, Oxytocin, and Serotonin.   Who is Molly Maloof? Dr. Molly Maloof's goal is to maximise human potential by dramatically extending the human healthspan through medical technology, scientific wellness, and educational media. Her fascination with innovation has transformed her private medical practice, focused on providing health optimisation and personalised medicine to San Francisco & Silicon Valley investors, executives, and entrepreneurs. Molly's iterative programs take the quantified self to the extreme through comprehensive testing of clinical chemistry, metabolomics, microbiome, biometrics, and genomic markers.   CLICK HERE TO LISTEN ON APPLE PODCAST    Resources: Cordyceps Deer Antler Molly's Twitter   Molly's Linkedin  Molly's Website Molly's Facebook Molly's Instagram  Psychedelic News Hour with Dr Molly Maloof Maximising Your Human Potential with Dr. Molly Maloof (EP#47) Spiritual Awakening and Biohacking with Dr. Molly Maloof (EP#108)   Q: How Can I Support The SuperFeast Podcast? A: Tell all your friends and family and share online! We'd also love it if you could subscribe and review this podcast on iTunes. Or  check us out on Stitcher, CastBox, iHeart RADIO:)! Plus  we're on Spotify!   Check Out The Transcript Here:   Mason: (00:03) Molly, how are you?   Molly Maloof: (00:05) I'm alive and well in the middle of a chaotic world. And somehow I feel like one of the more sane people in the room these days.   Mason: (00:14) You're the sane person. It's great because I like the fact that the sane person and one of the sane people on Instagram. I love your Instagram endlessly.   Molly Maloof: (00:23) Thanks.   Mason: (00:23) And I love you're the doctor whose drugs I want to take.   Molly Maloof: (00:28) Yeah, right. Like I kept on asking myself, "What if we made drugs that people wanted to take? What if we made drugs that actually improve the human condition?" What if we made drugs that actually improved resilience and improved our relationships? How come that's not medicine?   Mason: (00:46) Now, let me start with this little light question.   Molly Maloof: (00:48) Yeah.   Mason: (00:49) Where does the intersection of medicine and love begin and integrate?   Molly Maloof: (00:56) Yeah, right? Okay. Here's what occurred to me. And I haven't really even announced my company because I've been stalled, but I can talk about the big picture because I think it's really important. I spent my entire life trying to figure out how and ever since I was a child, and I was like, wanting to become a doctor at a young age, and then hit puberty in all sorts of hormonal disarray. And I was just like, "What is this happening to my body?" I remember thinking, someday I'm going to figure out my whole body, and I'm just going to understand all this weird shit that's happening to me. And so I spent a lot of my life trying and testing out things to see what would they would do. I would take supplements when I was in ninth grade. I was just constantly doing weird stuff to see what I could do to make my body function better.   Molly Maloof: (01:41) And then, left my residency, started my own medical practise, and really was like, "Fuck, I want to make a practise around optimising health, instead of just fixing sickness." So I want to understand health from first principles. So I spent all this time studying and practising . And fortunately, I had patients who would pay me a lot of money to like, be my lab rats. And they were willing, they were coming to me with experiments that they're like, "I want to do this, will you be help me?" And I'm like, "Sure." So I was one of those doctors that was just like, helping executives find greater performance. And then I had a bit of a come to Jesus moment.   Molly Maloof: (02:18) And I was just like, I did not go into medicine to be doctor just to rich people. That's not cool. And this is like been an interesting experiment. But I should probably be doing more with my life than just helping rich people stay healthy. So it really was that. That was really going through my head. I was at Esalen Institute, and I was just like, "Yeah. I'm pretty sure that there should be more to life than this."   Mason: (02:39) It's an elephant a lot of the time in the health sector.   Molly Maloof: (02:42) Yeah. But at the same time, I'm super grateful that I actually was able to do what I did because A, I could show I actually was part of like a massive trend movement, which was like, precision medicine for individuals was like, not a thing until, a few years after I started practising . So I've always been a bit ahead of the curve. But I've always also been one of those people who's just like, I can't settle for like surface level anything. So I have to get under the surface. So I got asked to teach at Stanford, a course. And she was like, "You seem to be this healthspan expert. So why don't you teach about it?" And I was like, well, of course, I got really insecure. And I was like, "Well, I know a lot. But I can't know enough to teach a second best school in the country." So I went and I started researching even deeper and started studying even more and started like coming up with this framework of what health was about.   Molly Maloof: (03:28) And in my process of studying everything, I was creating electron relationships. And I started figuring, I saw a couple TED Talks, and I started looking into the research of these two psychologists and this researcher from Stanford. And basically, the conclusion was that long term health and happiness is literally dependent on your relationships, like the number one factor in whether you're going to live long and healthy or not is your relationships. And why do you think that is? Well, usually they're the biggest source of stress or stress relief. And we know that stress is a huge source of disease, and yet everybody talks about stress, but nobody talks about what to do about it. Even like some of the best most famous doctors in America.   Molly Maloof: (04:11) Well, even doctors are on stress, like sit around talking about how they don't know what to do with stress. So I was like, "I wonder if we could actually create medicine, that improved relationships." And so I started figuring out through the psychedelic movement, that a lot of what entactogens do is they fundamentally reproduce the neurobiology of love. And so I started digging into the neurobiology of love and I was like, oh, so dopamine, norepinephrine, oxytocin, and serotonin are essentially like some of the bigger molecules involved with love and connection as well as hormones. So to me, it was like kind of a lightbulb moment happened when I was like, "Whoa, what if we actually were to create medicine that can reproduce the love that you had early in your relationship when you first got married, when you first started dating?" What would happen if you could actually reintroduce that feeling again, in your relationship, when you've been together for 10 years, and you're already annoyed by each other constantly. And there's all this resentment built up?   Molly Maloof: (05:17) And what if you could work on that resentment, work on your attachment issues, work on your relationship and your bond and strengthen that bond, through drug assisted therapy? And so that's kind of what I came up with as an idea. And so I'm in this process of investigating the possible ways to do this. But really, it's like a complete paradigm shift in modern medicine because A, it's not about individuals taking drugs, it's about two people taking a drug together. And B, it's not about doctors just handing people drugs, but it's drugs plus therapy. Drugs plus a therapeutic journey that you take, in order to achieve a certain outcome. So not only does medicine have to change in a few different ways, like A, we have to like see if the FDA will even let us give two people drugs. But B like, the payment system of medicine is about you go to a therapist, you go to a doctor, you get a drug, and the doctor is paid for that visit. And that psychologist is just paid for that visit.   Molly Maloof: (06:14) So I have friends that are in payments systems, and they're developing like bundled payment programmes because essentially you need to like create an entire outcome based experience that is paid for in a lump sum. And so there's a lot of things that need to change about in medicine. But I think that fundamentally the human bonds that we create, like are the hugest source of survival that we have. And a lot of people have overlooked this in this pandemic. We know now from isolation, that there's nothing healthy about people being by themselves in their homes, especially the elderly. Come on, and young people and children with families in one house, like we're meant to be in community, we're meant to be touching other people, we're meant to be around other people. And I think it's really a shame that we have ignored this factor for so long, and we're continuing to ignore it while people are killing themselves with alcohol and drugs and other substances.   Molly Maloof: (07:07) And it's just like, and even food, right? Like kids are gaining weight at record rates, people are gaining weight at record rates. And it's all because we're not supposed to be alone. We're not supposed to be indoors by ourselves isolated, like it's not productive, and it's the antithesis of health. So that's my shtick in my soapbox description. And I'm just going to say this, this is a really ambitious endeavour, there is a very good chance that it will not work because the government will stop me. That doesn't mean that people shouldn't be doing stuff like this because we actually need to change the way that people think about medicine. We actually need to change how medicine is delivered.   Mason: (07:42) You know what, like what brings up, I've been reading a lot of like management books because I'm at that stage by my business where I was like Peter Pan and I'm back in the real world a little bit where am I growing up and becoming a little bit adulty.   Molly Maloof: (07:56) We're both becoming adults, dude.   Mason: (07:57) We're both adulting the shit out of life right now.   Molly Maloof: (08:01) We're adulting the shit out of life.   Mason: (08:04) The one Tani got like the whole management team to raid was like a Patrick Lencioni one. I don't think that's how you pronounce his name, but he's got business fables, and it's the Five Dysfunctions of a Team and one of the dysfunctions, I can't remember if it's an exact dysfunction or just something I took out of the fable, but it's like you get an executive team and you go through all the different departments like what's our goalposts? Like what are we all agreeing on that we're looking at as like what we're all trying to get? Is it like customer acquisition? Is it customer happiness ratings? Is it revenue? It doesn't matter what the hell it is, we just focus on that and we go for it and then that unifies you. I think most people and including people that get into health and are entrepreneurs in the health same doctors what the thing that happens is they still they can't get over the hangover of getting dumped.   Mason: (08:53) The goalposts been put on you by a pretty old medical system that just like, just keep people alive. Just improve the condition somewhat. And I think why when you speak and when people listening, I know people like loving my team like listening to your last podcast in the community really excited is because the boldness that you have and it's screaming me, you're like, "No, I'm creating my own goalpost, not taking on that one, and I can see the bridge, and I'm going..." Like you actually can bridge it. It's not just, I'm defying you. It's like, "No," I'm just like, I can work with in that and I can see what you're focused on. And I'm very clear about what I'm focusing on. It's like relationship and then measure the markers to see that your relationships have improved and we know it because we have these markers. And that focus is really inspiring. It's really intimidating for people that have just allowed themselves to be handed what the goalpost is. So cheers you, I raise my hot chocolate to you.   Molly Maloof: (10:00) It's like I ask myself, "Okay, I've got this personal brand. If I like go and be Dr. Molly brand, Dr. Molly, how is that going to like..." Okay. So let's say there's Andrew Weil, there's Dr. Oz, there's all these, like leaders in the space. I could do that. And I can always fall back on that if this thing doesn't work, like I'll only be 40 by the time I fail at this, right? So I think I'm going to give myself like solid three years before I give up. Look, it's really hard to do this thing, but I'm going to give myself some significant time and commitment, like five to 10 years, then we'll see what happens. If I can get through past three years, I'll be fucking stoked. So point is, is like I can always fall back on like the Dr. Molly brand because it's like, that's cool. But that's just an evolution, right? That's just like, me becoming branded doctor 2.0. But the thing about this other thing is like, if we actually were to accomplish this, this just fundamentally changes medicine, and also could transform human relationships, which are falling apart.   Molly Maloof: (11:02) People are getting divorced after eight years, and kids are getting damaged by these relationships. Kids are missing their relationships with their parents, parents are not bonding, kids are feeling neglected. We've got to save the family unit and I think it starts with the primary relationship. And to me, this is something that is interesting to me that, I just don't think a lot of people work on their relationships, like I don't think it's something that a lot of people consider to be a thing that they should be doing every day. But it's actually so fundamental to survival, right? And yet, it's like when things are getting really bad, that's when they get to work. So we are looking at different indications. But fundamentally, the big picture, what I'm trying to do, it's kind of like bring what people have been doing underground above ground.   Molly Maloof: (11:49) The history of MDMA was like couples therapy, right? And Shulgin was giving it to psychologists to improve couples relationships. And it turns out, like underneath a lot of dysfunction, a lot of sexual dysfunction in men and women is relationship problems. So if you just keep on getting to the root cause of anything, it's like, "Oh, why don't we just like deal with the root cause? And go with that?" So it's pretty-   Mason: (12:15) I've definitely experienced with underground MDMA.   Molly Maloof: (12:17) Yeah.   Mason: (12:19) Therapy?   Molly Maloof: (12:19) Sure. Exactly.   Mason: (12:22) Yeah. With my wife. Can you just enlighten people about how you'd use it in like a clinical setting and why in particular it has been used there?   Molly Maloof: (12:37) So MDMA, we're not technically using MDMA, unless we can't use the substance we're going to work on toward developing which there's a lot of reasons why, like drug developments hard, right? But MDMA would be a good backup solution because of its history. MDMA is essentially an entactogen. So what it does is it means to touch with that it means to generate, it's also known as enpathogen. So it creates a deep sense of empathy and human connection. And that empathy reminds you of like, "Oh, there's this person next to me." And I can actually feel how they feel right now.I can actually, more noticeably understand their emotional experience. And I can be a part of that experience, rather than feeling so separate from someone else. And fundamentally, it also works on the neurobiology of love. So it's a love drug. So it creates a similar experience to what I call post coital bliss, which is kind of like right after you had sex, and you're feeling like really comfortable and really blissed out, it's like, that's kind of the MDMA experience.   Molly Maloof: (13:42) And the interesting thing is that through different types of combinations of different chemicals, we're going to be able to modulate consciousness in ways that we never thought we could do and it's fascinating, just this whole field of psychedelic medicine because it's just beginning like this whole revolution is just beginning. And it's like happening from a place of like deep interested in science and understanding the brain, but also from like a deep reference to the past. So like MDMA, for example, in the past was used in couples therapy. So two couples would come in and take the medicine with the therapist. And the therapist will help them work through their issues whether it be like attachment trauma, or deep seated resentment that's been carried or anger or betrayal or just trust issues. And therapist would use this medicine to help people come together again.   Molly Maloof: (14:32) And one of the rules interestingly, for couples therapy with when Ann Shulgin was doing it and was giving it to other therapists was no sex. So it's funny because I actually think that psychedelics go great with sex. And I think that like, you have to know what you're doing, you have to know the dose, but I do think that there will be a role in the future for psychedelic assisted therapy, and there should also be a role for psychedelic aphrodisiacs.   Mason: (15:00) Speak more about that.   Molly Maloof: (15:02) Well, okay, so I'm giving a talk at delic on this is actually quite kind of interesting. I'll give you a little preview of my talk. So it turns out that psychedelic aphrodisiacs have probably been used since like the beginning of human history.   Mason: (15:17) Cool thing. The two best things.   Molly Maloof: (15:21) Right? So people are fascinating, right? So turns out that there's like a whole bunch of categories of psychedelic aphrodisiacs. And they're so interesting. So there's the Acacia DMT, harmelin combo, there's an Alaska DMT harmelin combo, there's also the combination, that combo the drug. There's also MDMA, and MDA, which is the entactogen class of synthetic love drugs. There's LSD and psilocybin, which are the tryptamines. There's actually like a salamander that in Romania, they put into a vodka, and they use it as aphrodisiacs. There's also toads that people use as aphrodisiacs. There's Morning Glory, which is an LSD derivative, there's Hawaiian woodrose, there's all sorts of cool plants and animals that have been used since primitive times that are psychedelic, and that can turn you on.   Molly Maloof: (16:25) And there's also dangerous ones things like scopolamine, which is not technically a psychedelic, but it's a deliriant. And you don't really want to take like the tour up. But people in Brazil apparently, occasionally accidentally get dosed by like prostitutes, who are trying to take advantage of them. So there's actually a pretty good Vice episode on that. But turns out that it's not exactly a psychedelic, but you can't have psychosis and hallucinations. So I was like, "Wow, these are really interesting. There's all sorts of different mushrooms and fungi that people use, there's also like, what is it called? There's a type of fungus. Actually, let me look it up. I've got my computer right here. So why don't I come out and give you a little bit more detail on this because it's kind of getting good.   Molly Maloof: (17:14) So there's like this substance, there's actually a fruit in Southeast Asia called my Marula bean. And it has all sorts of weird ingredients in it, that can make you trippy. And then interestingly, alcohol has the effect of creating beta-carboline in the body, which I didn't know. So it's actually technically slightly psychedelic, which I never knew this. And then absinthe has wormwood which has thujone in it, which is mildly psychedelic as well. So it's essentially there's different doses of different ingredients that are kind of used for different reasons, right? And so there's basically like the medicinal dose, they said, which is the lowest dose, like the sort of the micro dose of medicine. And that's kind of like people taking things just for overall improvement of their health, mental health. And then there's the sort of aphrodisiac dose, which is a little bit higher than that. So it's enough to get you to start noticing a shift in your perception, but not so much to make the trip really hard.   Molly Maloof: (18:12) And then there's the shamanic dose, which is like what's being used in a lot of clinical studies, which is like people try to get to the root of really deep trauma. And oftentimes, getting to the root of trauma is actually what a woman or man needs to do in order to actually heal their sexuality. So I got particularly interested in this space because MDMA kind of accidentally helped heal my sexual dysfunction that I had in my 20s because of some trauma that I had in college, that I didn't even realise was causing sexual dysfunction because I didn't know I had sexual dysfunction. I just knew that I wasn't aroused. I was in pain every time I had sex, and it wasn't orgasming. And then I met a guy, we were using MDMA together and all these problems went away. And I was like, "What just happened"? And I had my first orgasm with a guy. I had orgasmed on my own, but never with a man before because of unfortunately, my history of sex was not positive.   Molly Maloof: (19:07) So I basically been trying to figure this out, "Wow, it seems like there's an opportunity for healing sexual dysfunction." Because a lot of the root causes of sexual dysfunction are relationship problems and trauma. And so then I started uncovering the whole trauma, Pandora's box, and I started discovering natural numbers on sexual trauma. And it became this whole holy shit moment, like fuck the world is so fucked up when it comes to sex. Talk about like, this Me Too movements, just the tip of the iceberg. Underneath all of it is like, clearly dysfunctional sexual upbringing that most people have because of our completely outdated religious culture, right? Basically really religiosity in a lot of ways really ruins sexuality for people because it makes it into this forbidden fruit and then in that you start wanting all sorts of things that are wrong because you're like, "Oh, I can't have it. So I want all these things that I can't have."   Mason: (20:05) Forbidden fruit. And the guys our snake tells us you want the fruit.   Molly Maloof: (20:09) Oh yeah, and women want it too, by the way. I was like, when I discovered masturbation was a sin in like fifth grade. I was like, "Oh, dear god, I've been masturbating my entire life." So funny, right? And there was just this moment I had growing up being like, really feeling like I went from like a really good Christian girl to like, a very bad child because I masturbated. And that's just not okay. So then I get into the history of psychedelics. And this talk and essentially, before Christianity, psychedelics were being used by medicine women and priestesses, and medicine men, and they were given to people as a tool for enhancing their virility and their fertility and their sexual function. And it was like, part of nature, sex was something beautiful, it was something acceptable, it is something that was part of life, right? It was celebrated. And then Christianity basically turned polytheism into this monotheistic culture, and basically started burning witches, and saying that these love potions are evil, and that anything related to sex was wrong.   Molly Maloof: (21:09) And now sex is the thing that you have to have in the bounds of marriage, which the church of course has to govern. And if you do anything outside of that, or let alone, you're homosexual, you're now a deeply evil person, and you deserve to be harmed. And you really think about this history. It's kind of epically fucked how much, no offence to men, but like patriarchy, took over religion, and basically made it all about men being in charge of the religious experience. Even though women were actually very much part of like polytheistic religious culture, and sexuality was part of that culture. And so it's like all this stuff is really went downhill from there.   Molly Maloof: (21:50) And now we live in this modern time where like, the Catholic Church has unending problems with brutalising children sexually. And we have not woken up to this reality that sex is not evil. It's part of life. It's a beautiful part of life. It's a part of life that is one of those magical mystical, if not psychedelic experiences. And it shouldn't be demonised, but I do think we need to return it back into a place of wholesomeness and respect and love and really treating people the way we would want to be treated and I don't think any woman or man wants to be raped.   Molly Maloof: (22:29) I don't think any woman or man wants to be assaulted, and I don't think if any child grows up thinking that, that's normal. And I don't know what changes in culture that makes it okay for kids and adults to like mistreat each other, but I really think that like part of my mission in life is actually to create a better culture around sex and love and really this company that I started called the Adamo Bioscience is basically a company that's dedicated to studying the science of love because I think that if we understood it better, we might be able to create more of it, and through multiple pathways and products and services. And yes, I have a commercial interest, but mostly because like it seems totally a better thing to be spending my life making money off of than anything else right now, which is like why not try to create more love in the world? I think there should be like 15 to 20 companies trying to do this.   Mason: (23:22) I think there will be once you show them the way. That's the that's the beautiful thing about being someone who's charging and leading the way. Something as a couple, I was just like thank you, epic download by the way and I saw... And I think it's nice openly talking about religion this way, we can see that it's gone far away from the natural and the original intentions. And I saw you like, I can just see you reshare the meme the other day. It tickled me the most of it was just like white Jesus cuddling someone going, "I'm sorry I made you a drug addict. Let me a book before I send you to hell." It just popped me in school I was like doing things that potentially was going down the way of being like condemned and told by teachers, "Well, your stepfather is going to go to hell because he believes in evolution."   Molly Maloof: (24:16) Oh my god, I remember being in sixth grade being like, "I think evolution is real and my school thinks I'm..." But they don't believe in it. Like, holy shit, that was our lives.   Mason: (24:28) Oh man, I got a few pop moments. I was like, "Hang on. So I'm going down this route. Where I'm sinning because I'm trying to think critically here and so now I'm going to go to hell, but you created me in your image and I'm doing? You set me off. You know all, you know I'm going to end up here. And then you're going to send me to hell?" I'm like, "You asshole. You sadist." Anyway, that was my pop.   Molly Maloof: (24:54) What got me to like what really challenged my beliefs when I was 18 was talking to a guy who went to Harvard and messenger, you're in messageboard you're talking to people smarter and older than you. And I remember talking to this guy and he asked me this question. He's like, "How can God be omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent and how can there be a hell? If he's everywhere all the time all at once? How can it be ever a separation from God because hell is a separation from God?" And I was like, brain explode like oh that's impossible logical, total it felt like this doesn't work, right? Like does that work does not compute. And my brain just exploded I went into the bathroom and cried and cried in front of the mirror. I was like, "Oh my god, it means I'm all alone." I actually still believe in God now, but like my belief in God is much different than the patriarchal God that I grew up.   Molly Maloof: (25:50) I still pray to Jesus because I'm used to it's like a pattern, but I don't think Jesus is the only God. I think there's plenty of Gods you can pray to. But realistically I think that God is like infinite intelligence and beauty underneath everything that whether, and it's totally no gender or God can't have a gender.   Mason: (26:09) I'm going to send you my podcast with George Kavassilas. It's another mind blowing one. It's talking about the God matrix and the universe, the natural, the synthetic it's like really, really clear.   Molly Maloof: (26:25) Oh, cool.   Mason: (26:25) I'll send you because it's a very good one. And you know what, you were saying things that don't work and you know what I like that does work is aphrodisiac. So this is like telling before we move on from that point it's something that really jumped out at me that I really love and I might go a little bit of a tangent because I just wrote about it this kind of topic, this nuance. Yesterday we sent out a newsletter around lion's mane and I'm like I really love Lion's Mane because it's a bridge herb and for so often people are looking at, "I want a nootropic and so they go into a narrow," which is nice sometimes. It's nice to go reductionist. And you go, "I want something that's going to increase output and give me something now and I'm going to use this nootropic in order to get something. And then they eventually fall to Lion's Mane as like a nootropic and the word sits there very medical and very [inaudible 00:27:20], which is nice as well I use it.   Mason: (27:24) But then Lion's Mane is one if you get like a complete non grown on grain, you get one grown on wood, it's got elements of wild to it, all of a sudden you look past the textbook written black and white, in the tropic and you got the same intention here and then you look up at nature and you see, "Wow, my brain is so much more than what I thought it was and the output of my brain and the way the way that it operates in conjunction with my organs in my blood and my outlook in my life, it's connected to where I'm going to be. What I do now is connected to how I'm going to be when I'm 90 years old."   Molly Maloof: (27:59) Totally.   Mason: (28:00) it's not just take something get some output, it's like this pattern you can see the brain function connecting to the constant pattern of like, like the waves in never ending. Internally there are things that are like constantly happening that I can cultivate and work with and look at and ease into that are going to have my brain on the sea of marrow is the Daoists.   Molly Maloof: (28:21) I love that. The sea of marrow.   Mason: (28:26) And the aphrodisiacs are the same like that. And it's a fun one because people go, "Oh, aphrodisiacs great, it'll get your horny." And what you're talking about it's like a carrot that leads like you go and that's what I see. Like how I see Daoist aphrodisiacs as well, like deer antler in your pants.   Molly Maloof: (28:46) Yeah.   Mason: (28:48) Horny goat weed, like epimedium. These herbs cordycep, Eucommia, schisandra. People say the word aphrodisiac, and you go, "Great, okay, cool. I'm going to engage because I want to be horny." And you think there's more substance too, behind it. And then you get onto these aphrodisiacs and you start engaging with your sexuality, and all of a sudden it's an opportunity to connect to yourself and the word aphrodisiac falls away, and you start connecting to the sexuality. And I just heard it, then you're saying we're using aphrodisiacs to go and connect to the sexual trauma so we can connect to ourselves and our partner. And I think it's beautiful. I love it.   Molly Maloof: (29:32) Well, it's actually that the sexual trauma can damage your relationship to sex. So because it actually programmes your brain. There's this thing called the Garcia effect, and it's like when you eat something that makes you sick, you don't want it anymore because your brain associates that with feeling sick. Now not all women or men who have trauma end up with having sexual dysfunction, but a large percentage of women do that. In fact, like somewhere between 60 to 80% of women who had sexual trauma have some form of sexual dysfunction. And like in America, the numbers, which I think are underreported, are like one in five women are raped, one in four women are abused as children, one and three are assaulted in her lifetime. And so there's quite a lot of women who have sexual dysfunction because of the fact that their sexual experience was not pleasant. And it was, in fact, potentially scary and dangerous.   Molly Maloof: (30:26) So now their brain says, "Oh, that experience that's not good. I don't like that. And that's scary." And so it's kind of programmed as a traumatic memory. Now, only 30% of women with sexual trauma end up with PTSD, which is interesting. So there's actually more women with sexual dysfunction, than PTSD from sexual trauma, which is fascinating. So the theory is, is that with MDMA assisted therapy, that the medicine can actually help you revisit the trauma from a place of feeling safe and feeling okay and loved with a partner, preferably with a partner, if you're with someone that you feel safe with. And you can revisit that trauma, and then it gets reprogrammed in your brain, reconsolidated as, "Oh, this is not the worst thing in the world anymore." This is not something I need to like, fear or be afraid of anymore. That was just an event that happened. And in fact I think the real magic will come from when women can experience pleasure, again, through psychedelic medicine. As I did.   Mason: (31:32) How ironic that there's an aphrodisiac involved in that process.   Molly Maloof: (31:36) Well, you think, right? You think that like, that would make sense. It's just funny. I think we're just beginning to understand space. But I don't know if people even though this, but there's actually like three phases of neurobiology of love. The first is like the intense sex drive, which is like, our body is designed to get us to fuck a lot of people when you're young. Actually, the sex drive is like oestrogen and testosterone. And then like, you're horny, and you're young, and you want to have sex, and not everybody does. A lot of young people aren't these days, but the point is, is that it's designed to get you to be turned on and attracted to a lot of people. And then when you meet someone and you have sex with them, what happens is, is that you start activating other hormones. So dopamine starts getting released, oxytocin gets released after orgasm, and that can actually increase the attachment to this person.   Molly Maloof: (32:29) So especially in women particular. So then we start moving on to romantic love, which is actually an attachment device that's designed like we really evolved it in order to basically bond ourselves to someone, become obsessed and addicted to someone, so that we're more likely to have a baby with that person. And then keep that baby alive long enough that they will not die, right? And so the romantic love starts to switch over to pair bonding. And pair bonding is actually designed to keep that baby alive and family unit strong. Because pair bonding hormones are very similar to familial bonds. Like they think it's all mostly oxytocin vasopressin. So like, you actually look at the neurobiology of all this. It's highly adaptive, and it's a huge survival advantage to have love in your life, huge survival advantage to find someone to care about them. You're more likely to reproduce, you're more likely to make a child and a family and you're more likely to have a healthy family if there's healthy bonds.   Molly Maloof: (33:26) And so I think that we should be really looking at these things from the lens of science because a lot of what's happening in society today because I think technology is seeing these bonds decay, we're seeing people give up their marriages. We're seeing people walk away from long term relationships, and we're seeing families affected and children affected. And one of the main adverse childhood experiences a kid will have is divorce. So I'm just like, "Fuck, why are we not looking at these fundamental facets of society and saying, gosh, why can't we do better?" And maybe there's a way we can do better that's ethical, and that's honourable and that's scientifically sound and that will actually leave people better off and we found them. But again, this is like very much new territory. I don't think anybody has tried to do this or thought about doing this. And I'm actually giving you a lot of information that I like is going to keep kind of quiet but whatever you like might as well announce it to like your community first.   Mason: (34:20) Yeah. I think we're worth the drop. It's interesting, it's such a return to the natural. And I've been using that a lot because I feel like I'm saying for the matrix. I'm like nailing all over the bloody place at the moment like people.   Molly Maloof: (34:36) All the time.   Mason: (34:39) And it's so confronting for people which and I agree, as a system we haven't... What you're doing is going like, "Screw it, go to the core and think, multiple generations around leading to the core. Like, let's look at the divorce rates, let's look at the unhappiness and the lack of love in relationships and how that impacts ourselves and children." And I think about it a lot. And it gives me that raw, even talking about it now, there is tingling and there's a rawness and a raw excitement, when you know you're actually in the right place. But it's very confronting, looking at just how much healing there is to be done.   Molly Maloof: (35:18) Yeah. Well, someone told me when I was like, everyone was like, "No one's going to invest in this, and no one's going to do this. And this is crazy." I know, actually, I have a lead investor. So if investors are listening, I'm about to fundraise. So you should probably email me because it's going to be really good. It's going to be a really exciting time in the next few months because I'm actually going to be-   Mason: (35:37) I think I have like, probably $400 liquid at the moment.   Molly Maloof: (35:45) I'm not going to take your last $400. But maybe we could do something with-   Mason: (35:47) But that's not the last 400. We're being responsible in other areas.   Molly Maloof: (35:50) ... Lion's Mane. Yeah. No, but it's interesting. So like, I have a lot of people from biotech say, "This is absolutely never going to happen. It's impossible. Don't even try." And then I had a lot of people who are starting biotech companies say, "Fuck, if this problem is as big as you describe it is, then I'm pretty sure we should be throwing like a billion dollars at this." And I was like, "Fuck. Yeah, dude. Totally."   Mason: (36:16) Absolutely. Is there a market for this? If the people who would poohing it are probably the ones that just can't look in the mirror and be like, "I am the market." It's like, it's in your backyard. It's everywhere. Every time you go to a family reunion, every time you go to bed.   Molly Maloof: (36:40) I shouldn't say this out loud, but family members of mine-   Mason: (36:43) Just say it in a monologue.   Molly Maloof: (36:44) Yeah. I know my family story pretty well. I like deconstructed all of our problems at this point. I've plugged my computer in. And having deconstructed a lot of these problems, and really examined the people in my family who struggle with different problems. In my extended family, in particular, like my aunt and my grandmother, and just people I know. There's a lot to be said about early relationships, and about how important families are to the long term health of children. And when things go wrong in families, it can really, really hurt people long term. And I just looked at like, my great, great grandparents and their relationship with my grandmother. And I looked at my grandmother's relationship with her daughters, and I just looked at all this, and I was like, "Wow there's so many things that we don't realise that if we just fix that one thing, right, then it would have transformed the entire rest of a person's life."   Molly Maloof: (37:59) But there's a lot of things, we don't have solutions for. A lot of things we don't have pathways for, and a big one of those is healing trauma. And I recently did about 21 hours of deep, deep neuro somatic trauma healing from a friend of mine who's like a super gifted healer. And I can't explain in scientific terms what he did with me, but I do know one thing, and that's that we do not do a good job in our society, helping people who have trauma, heal, and express it immediately right over this happened. In fact, the medical system typically, when a girl has raped, she'll basically get a rape kit, and maybe sent to a psychologist. And if she's lucky, she'll get in, in a few months. And it's like, we don't actually have pathways for healing and caring for kids who've had major... I saw this, by the way, in health care system. I saw kids who were abused by their parents. And they go to social workers, and they kind of handed around the foster care system.   Molly Maloof: (39:00) And it's really crazy how much people experienced trauma in society. And there's really not a lot of good solutions besides talk therapy. And if talk therapy worked so well, we probably not be seeing so many problems. Like if talk therapy was like a really effective solution for all of our problems, we'd probably be seeing a lot of problems solved. Now I'm not saying talk therapy doesn't work.   Mason: (39:23) It doesn't pop the champagne. I think that's where I'm with you on that. I'm at the point in my journey where I'm like talk therapy with someone who's got a Jungian background is like perfect for me because I went so hard on psychedelics. And so I'm loving just the groundedness of it. But to get it going-   Molly Maloof: (39:36) Totally. I'm not saying it doesn't work. I think talk therapy is very much like working on your consciousness, right? Your conscious brain. Everyone actually need to talk therapy in order to fundamentally create sense, sense making around their life experience. Like that's the best thing it does. Is it creates a framework of understanding of like, "This happened to me, this happened to me, this happened to me and I understand why, and I understand how I dealt with it." And I'm trying to do a better job at it, right? But I think what's really more interesting about like, what's happening in psychedelic medicine is what's on a subconscious and the unconscious level, right? Like hypnotherapy does a pretty decent job at getting into the subconscious level.   Molly Maloof: (40:27) But what's fascinating is like all this stuff that's buried in the unconscious, right? That comes out in your dreams, that comes out in your... A lot of people have nightterors. That is most definitely a bunch of unconscious process trauma, like unprocessed trauma that needs to be like addressed. And I don't think people see it that way. They're just like, "Oh, it's a nightmare disorder." It's like, "No, you probably have like a major unresolved trauma from your childhood that you really should look at." And oftentimes, I know, multiple people who've taken psychedelics, and it just comes up to them. They're like, "Oh, my God, I was raped in high school by a few guys." And it just like comes up. Or they're like, "Oh, my God, I was sexually assaulted as a child." And this stuff comes up underneath because it's lifted out of the subconscious and unconscious.   Molly Maloof: (41:21) And that's what we don't talk enough about in like modern medicine. And even like psychology, I think, is this like, "Oh, wow," like everybody has deep trauma. But if you do have deep trauma, and it's like running in the background, it's like malware, it's just draining your energy. It's draining CPUs, it's actually playing a huge role in your behaviours and your triggers and how you interact with people. And if it's not looked at or addressed, and especially if they're things like internal family systems, like there's a lot of good forms of talk therapy that can really do a good job of bringing you back to your childhood or bringing you back these moments. And I don't even think drugs are completely necessary to get to these places. Meditation is also a phenomenal tool that a lot of people don't take advantage of. And there's a bunch of different types of meditation that are fairly obscure that can do a great job at helping people get underneath the surface of their pain.   Molly Maloof: (42:11) But a lot of this stuff is isn't mainstream. And it's a shame because a lot of people are still just like, "Where do I go to deal with all this stuff?" Most of the stuff that's worked really well for me has been very obscure stuff that I have had to find through word of mouth. And it's like not highly advertised experiences and therapies and meditation schools and it's like a lot more on the realm of like woo, but it works these things have worked. And it's like strange to me that they're not more well studied and in the mainstream.   Mason: (42:46) Yeah. We've got such a wide array of people with such a wide array of histories at different stages in their processes. And there's naturally going to be different therapies and different angles that are going to pierce the veil to whatever is sitting there behind the curtain in the subconscious and I definitely, like for me it was like personal development back in the day going like you know landmark forum was like one of the things to kind of like a bang. And I could see behind it and then okay that lost its relevance at some point. And then psychedelics became very relevant, got me probably went a little bit too hard into identifying with that community and the mannerisms around taking medicine and like that feeling like I finally belonged rather than doing the work. And then getting beautiful lessons and now it's like getting to the point where talk therapy for me 10 years ago just would have been like I think just sort of lapping up against a great wall.   Mason: (43:48) Whereas now I know how to scale that concrete wall, and I know what it looks like when I do connect to the subconscious. And I understand my processing bringing it out and what my process is, thanks to the work I did with psychedelics. I know how I'm going to bring that into awareness in my everyday and that's when personal practise comes in. That's where I know to the extent of like, with my exercise regime, I know keeping me strong enough and healthy enough to be able to handle staying in that space, where I can constantly acknowledge that part of me that wants to hide behind that veil and run everything. And I know someone like Tani she's like, there was a point where psychedelics were like, incredible. She goes, "I know I need that." And then she's like, "I don't need that anymore." And my meditation practise is exactly where I need to be and that's where I'm going to get the biggest bang.   Mason: (44:39) Not that it's about a bang, but she's going to get the rubber hitting the road. So I think that's like that integration because you see a lot of people in the psychedelic world, kind of pooh poohing therapy going like modern therapies like this domesticated little dog and psychedelics are this big dog in terms of what it can do. And it's like, true in one context, and in another context, if it's just integrated, you have an array of ways of approaching as you're talking about them. Then all of a sudden, the approach becomes multicoloured and multifaceted. And hopefully, it becomes more effective.   Molly Maloof: (45:16) I really think that we just maybe just need to marry them more. Even like MDMA assisted therapy today, is largely like, hands off. It's largely don't talk to the patient, let them do, they have their own experience, and let them do whatever they need to do to heal, it's not really guided at all. It's mostly kind of like, it's guided, but it's not really like lead. It's like, you're there. You're like going through this process, and you're having these experiences, but they're not actually trying to get you to go anywhere on your trip, they're trying to let you have your experience. Whereas like, I think that, in particular, it may be possible that like, we can give people medicine that gives them have the... I think that the idea is that you have the preparation. And then you have the creating the right set and setting. And then you take the medicine, and then you have this like deep integration experience. And that's typically what the experiences for psychedelic assisted therapy today. The question is, will the FDA let us give people drugs that turn them on unsupervised?   Molly Maloof: (46:26) Because you kind of need to be a little bit... You don't really want anyone watching you while you are with your partner. So I got a lot of questions, I need to figure out to make this thing, an actual proper model. But I think that it'll be really interesting to see how this thing evolves because I'm at the very beginning of this journey. I have an idea of what I think that this business model could look like. I have no idea what I think this therapy could be. But a lot of it is I'm like figuring it out, right? I'm like in this total creative mode of what will the future of medicine look like, if you could create it from scratch? And I've already done this once, and it turned out really great for me. And I could easily have just gone and scaled personalised medicine clinics for wealthy people. But now I'm like, "Let's see if we can create a democratised version of this medicine that actually is like it's going to start out expensive, but let's figure out how we can make this something that's eventually affordable for people." That's the goal.   Mason: (47:28) I think the other thing, that's why it feels like a safe bets. And interesting way to put it, but it makes sense, and has substance is because I think a lot of people approach this, and what we've always been taught how to do, lecture people on how they should be, and I'm going to create a product based on how I think you should act. Whereas what you're talking about, is going there's, let's say we're looking at, like morality around let's stay in our marriage, so that we don't destroy this family unit. There's a way that, that's been happened, we've been told what to do by the media. And therefore the part of us goes, if someone goes you have to stay on your marriage because it's the morally right thing to do. You're bad if you do that, there's no attraction there because it's an external like judgement , and we want to revolt against being told what to do, especially by society.   Mason: (48:31) It's why we get your rage against the machine, etc. And then, if you just understand the patterns that emerge when people do connect back to themselves, and do deal with their trauma within a relationship, what's natural for people and seems to be the pattern is people do naturally resonate with maintaining the relationship that they've chosen or maybe in some instance. Like a very conscientious uncoupling in a way that you're very connected and aware to the way that children are going to be affected by it and minimising that impact. Either way, there's an emergence of morality an emergence of ethics, rather than being told what to do.   Molly Maloof: (49:19) Yeah. There's emergence of just like, knowing what's right and wrong. Like, "Oh, yeah. We're not meant to be together. But we're also not meant to destroy each other's lives as we get divorced." I think if we were to be able to help people stay together, that would be ideal. But if we're also able to help people consciously uncouple in a way that doesn't destroy their lives. And I've heard this from multiple people, like one of my friends did MDMA with his ex wife when they were getting divorced and it completely transformed the divorce process because they were actually able to love each other through the process, and they're now really good friends. They're like super good friends. They just didn't want to be married. And it's like, that's appropriate, right? Like, it's also appropriate not to hate people for years. Just the number of people I know that have deep seated resentment for their exes. And it's like, that's not healthy for your nervous system, that's not healthy for your long term health. That's not going to keep you well.   Mason: (50:20) So we've both dived into exploring what health is, especially in the context of, and in this what we're talking about in this context of like synthetic morality, versus what emerges as right. I've just started in the last few months really feeling icky about the way I've used the word health and the way it's been used because it's natural, if you talk about healthy, then naturally, there's an opposition of unhealthy there. And so much of what's implied is basing yourself on, "I'm healthy because I'm not that." And so there's this intrinsic opposition, that... An opposition and kicking back against something in order to form identity around health. And we need the word because healthy, it's just a fun word that everyone knows. But kind of similar and synonymous with what we're talking about, and the emergence of morality and the emergence of ethics coming just through whether it's psychedelic therapy or whatever, how are you relating to health now?   Mason: (51:28) Because I definitely am finding, the more I move away from being wrapped in and around that world of being healthy versus unhealthy, and the more I kind of sit in that middle and see. What's emerging through the patterns of myself doing, I don't know, finding harmony for myself, delving into my shit, coming out the other side. Doing things that are maybe I've seen is unhealthy in one way, in one ideological circle. So I want to talk about dropping that coming back to what emerges within me. It makes the space, I don't know, I feel very roared and identified in terms of, even though we're leaders in the health space, I feel very, unidentified with anything that revolves around that word healthy. I'm curious as to where you're at, in your relationship to what is healthy.   Molly Maloof: (52:25) I used to think it was what the WHO said, which was like the complete absence of disease or infirmary. And then I was like, "No, it's not realistic." Health is actually a dynamic function of life. And to me, I have a very unique perspective on how I think, and it all stemmed from this other definition, that was the ability to adapt and self managed in the face of adversity. But I started digging under the surface, and I really started understanding things like biology, and fundamental human anatomy, and microbiology and physiology and molecular and cellular biology. And I was really thinking about it from like a mechanistic perspective as well. And I think that if you actually just look at any system, you can ask how healthy a system is based on its capacity. And whether it's able to perform its functions properly, basically, whether it's able to maintain its integrity of its structure. And that's usually a function of how much energy and how much work capacity is available.   Molly Maloof: (53:31) So, for example, the healthcare system, deeply unhealthy in America. Demands outspent capacity and it just completely started crumbling, right? Like just did not work, was not resilient, was not flexible, it was actually really struggling and breaking a lot and a lot of people have been broken through the experience of going to the healthcare system. So capacity and demands, if there's more capacity than demands, you're usually in a really good healthy state because you have enough energy to maintain the structure to do work. Now, when your demands are really high, and your capacity is really low, shit starts to break down. And so this is like the mitochondrial theory of ageing, which is fundamentally that when we lose about 50% of our functional capacity of organs, they start to malfunction, they actually start producing the ability to do the work functions that they had. And then we start to break down.   Molly Maloof: (54:27) And largely this is driven by metabolic dysfunction and stress. And like lack of exercise is really a big huge driver of disease because it's the number one signal for making more energy. So basically, I look at how we... If you actually think about like the biology of like metabolism, when we breathe air, we drink water, we eat food, it goes into our cells, it gets turned into substrates, those get put into the mitochondria, which are like little engines that could of our cells, and they have this called the electron transport chain which pulls off electrons kind of like power line. Like electrons are running through this electron transport chain. And they're powering this hydrogen turbine that creates an electrochemical gradient. And that gradient creates a battery and a capacitor. So a battery is like a differential charge between two, it's like a charge polarity. And then the capacitor is like a differential charge between two late membranes.   Molly Maloof: (55:22) And then so capacitors can deploy energy quickly. Batteries store energy as potential energy. So when you really look at it, like most people have broken their metabolisms in modern society, there's so many people with diabetes, so many people with heart disease, somebody with cancer, so many people with dementia. And those are really symptoms of broken metabolism, broken mitochondrial function. And it's funny because like, we look at all these things as separate diseases, but actually, they have the same root causes and like half of cancers are made up of metabolic in nature. So everyone's been kind of obsessed with this like, DNA and genetics theory of ageing. I'm just so unconvinced because it's kind of like, okay, that's like the architectural plans of the body. But in order to actually express those plans, you need energy. You actually need to make energy to take the plants and turn into a structure, which is proteins, right?   Molly Maloof: (56:15) So my perspective is that, like life is this interplay between energy matter and information. And essentially, like life itself, is negative entropy. So we're just constantly trying to fight against entropy, and the best way we know how to do that is like, maintain our functional capacity and be able to repair ourselves. And so this lack of being able to repair ourselves is often a function of the fact that a lot of people are just like, the biggest complaint in medicine is, "I'm tired," right? Being tired all the time is actually a reflection of energetic inefficient, insufficient energy production.   Mason: (56:56) Is that in particular with like the battery storage as you work-   Molly Maloof: (56:59) Yeah, exactly.   Mason: (57:00) Which is funnily used when you talk about, like his Yin and Yang.   Molly Maloof: (57:05) Yes. There you go. Right? We need time off to store energy. The most interesting thing about the Yin and Yang, is that there's this clear relationship between this toggling of switching between different states in biology to flourish. So you actually have to go from intense work to relaxation or rest. You have to go for ideally if you actually just look at all the best [inaudible 00:57:30] stressors, it's like, hyperoxia hypoxia breathwork. What is that? It's breathwork. Right? If you look at cold and heat, that's sauna and coal plant right? What are these things work so damn well, for making us feel healthy and feel good? Well, they're literally boosting mitochondrial biogenesis. And in some cases, like eating fasting is my toffee G, right? It's throwing-   Mason: (57:53) Being awake, being asleep.   Molly Maloof: (57:56) Being outside being indoors, like we actually need to spend way more time outdoors than we're doing. And like being in buildings and having your feet grounded into the earth, like being alone being with people, like life is this constant interplay, right? Yeah, there you go.   Mason: (58:14) That was earthing that I just mumbled.   Molly Maloof: (58:16) Yeah. So like today I've been experimenting with like different ways of movement throughout my day because I'm kind of sick of being in front of the computer constantly. And it makes me feel really unhappy. And there's this great meme you posted, feel dead inside, go outside. Fucking love that meme. And it's like, everybody loved that meme. I got it posted so many times. And it was like, actually, I spent two hours today on phone calls outside. And like, people get annoyed when you're not on a Zoom call. But I'm like, "Look, if I can walk, I will walk." And I got two separate workouts and that were like about 10 minutes each in the gym that were like broken up throughout the day. And it's like, holy shit, did I feel better today than I did for like many other previous days where I was just in front of a computer the whole time? Like, we're not meant to be in front of screens all day long. It's not healthy.   Molly Maloof: (59:06) It's not a healthy period. So the more that we can try to align our lives as much as possible with something with how we're actually like primitively programmed because our genes have not evolved since primitive times. We're the same genetically, there's been a few changes, but fundamentally, we're basically the same people as we were in hunting and gathering times. So it's no question that we've lost a lot of our health in the process of becoming more modern because we basically hijacked all of these different pathways that are actually ancient pathways of survival that are now being used to take advantage of people. Like the salt, sugar and fat in foods, the convenience of cars, right? Like humans are designed to conserve energy and to find food.   Molly Maloof: (59:53) So the society is now designed to like make everything ultra convenient, and eat too much. And it's like, okay. We don't move our bodies enough, we drive everywhere, we know what that's done to society. And so it's kind of like the real process of becoming a truly modern human is to actually try to like life according to your genetics, while also existing in a modern culture. It's a huge challenge.   Mason: (01:00:19) Can be a great thing. This is like the Daoist and the Yogi's would need to go outside of society to go and live in a cave so their life could revolve a

Dr. Molly Maloof is back on the H.V.M.N. Podcast for Round 3. Key topics discussed: Therapeutic potential and risks for psychedelics Types of meditation How meditation, flow state, and psychedelics are related Molly’s experience on state of samadhi Retrospective commentary on San Francisco / Silicon Valley community Nuances and application of fasting, especially for women H.V.M.N. Podcast Fam: We're giving you an exclusive offer. You guys are some of our most loyal fans and we want to give you a special reward. Use GEOFF10 to get 10% off your KFB order: https://hvmn.com/discount/GEOFF10 Learn More About H.V.M.N. here: https://hvmn.com/pod Join the Official H.V.M.N. Podcast Discord Community by filling out this quick survey: https://go.hvmn.com/discordsurvey Send a message to podcast@hvmn.com with feedback, questions, and guest suggestions!

Chris Bakke is the co-founder and CEO of Laskie. Previously, he was the co-founder of Interviewed (acquired by Indeed), COO of 42Floors (acquired by Knotel), and managed business development for Zillow and RentJuice (acquired by Zillow). On this episode, Chris discusses his experiences selling his companies and then working for the acquirers such as Zillow and Indeed during the pandemic. He also discusses the growth of the freelancer economy and how companies are starting to think about their approach to full-time employees vs. contract workers. Finally, they talk about founding Laskie, Twitter and the founders-dilemma of deciding whether to sell when an offer comes by or continuing to build. Enjoy! (02:18) - Chris’ Background Working for Early Stage and Public Tech Companies (04:42) - What was it like working at Indeed in the midst of the pandemic? (07:47) - What is it like to transition from a founder of a company to being an employee after an acquisition? (10:09) - When you take on the new role do you know what’s required of you from the jump, or is it expected your role might change? (13:01) - Are there questions that you wish you asked in previous acquisitions to understand what it will be like on the other side? (15:13) - How did the idea for Laskie come about? How do you describe what y’all do? (19:02) - How long does it take to get approved as a vendor? (21:14) - How many times do companies hire full time people when a freelancer would do just fine? Are we entering a world where companies cut down on full time people in exchange for more freelancers? (24:31) - How do you overcome the issue of freelancer loyalty between competitors? (28:23) - Personality Testing in Freelancing (30:40) - Should hirers think about the idea of 1-3 days of working on a project with a potential employee before deciding to hire them? (36:04) - Has there been anything unique in this COVID era in terms of requested services you’ve seen? (39:18) - Chris’ Experience Working With the Same Group of Founders for All of His Companies (40:10) - Are the roles of the group pretty clear each time you start a company together? (45:31) - Was there someone who told you to stop doing founder-led sales and bring someone on or was it something you had to figure out? (47:07) - What is “the game” of being a venture-backed company? (50:19) - Was your goal to be the next billion-dollar company or did you know you wanted in and out in two years? (53:22) - Do you think there’s a lot of companies that should have sold much earlier but keep pushing for that $10B sale? (56:42) - What did it do to your psyche when you saw that first offer from a founder's perspective? (1:01:45) - Why are you bullish on San Francisco/Silicon Valley? (1:05:47) - If you were CEO of Twitter for the next year, what would you do? (1:09:17) - Do you have a childhood experience that put you on your life path? (1:12:20) - If you had a billboard on the busiest highway in Danville, what would it say? (1:23:43) - How can people reach you? Twitter: www.Twitter.com/ChrisJBakke LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/bakk3/

We're so excited to be bringing you today's episode of the SuperFeast podcast. Mason sits down for a chat with the innovative and ever inspiring Dr. Molly Maloof for an epic conversation spanning from the highly contentious COVID 19 vaccine to stress, sleep, biohacking, spiritual awakenings, and many relative roamings in-between. The world has had some massive shifts since the last time Dr. Molly was on the show; Dr. Molly opens up about her 2020 spiritual awakening, views on psychedelics, and life in America in a time of COVID. Dr. Molly shows her expertise honing in on the topics of stress, sleep, insulin resistance, and why she utilises technology devices like the Ōura ring to prevent illness and optimise health.   Perhaps what I enjoyed most about this episode, other than Dr. Molly's fascinating technological health insights, was how this conversation flowed despite moments of contrasted views. There was no ideological tribalism, just good conversation; in the name of high quality, investigative thought. Tune in for mind expansion.   "Use these health technology tools to gain awareness, but don't depend on them to function. The real mastery of your body is when you have interoception and know how you feel by listening to your body's signals".   - Dr. Molly Maloof     Mason and Dr. Molly discuss: COVID 19 vaccine; Dr. Molly's journey. Protecting against viruses by keeping stress levels low. How viruses disrupt metabolism and increase inflammation in the body. Self-actualisation and ego transcendence. Cracking yourself open; doing the work emotionally and spiritually. The Ōura ring; heart rate variability and sleep monitoring. Therapeutics devices to monitor stress. What HRV (heart rate variability) says about stress levels. Dr. Molly's approach to treating clients and assessing health. Your muscles are a power pack, and exercise charges your batteries. Chronic Fatigue and burnout. Biomarkers from over-exercising. Insulin resistance; How to recognise and avoid it within your body. Interoception, and why we should all aspire to have it. Biohacking.   Who is Molly Maloof? Dr. Molly Maloof’s goal is to maximise human potential by dramatically extending the human healthspan through medical technology, scientific wellness, and educational media. Her fascination with innovation has transformed her private medical practice, focused on providing health optimisation and personalised medicine to San Francisco & Silicon Valley investors, executives, and entrepreneurs. Molly's iterative programs take the quantified self to the extreme through comprehensive testing of clinical chemistry, metabolomics, microbiome, biometrics, and genomic markers.   Resources:   Molly's Website Molly's Facebook Molly's Instagram Molly's Linkedin Molly's Twitter Maximising Your Human Potential with Dr. Molly Maloof (EP#47)   Molly: (01:18:10) Oh, it's called the Psychedelic News Hour, and it's part of the Psychedelics Club, or the Psychedelic Clubhouse actually. So, my friend Dave [inaudible 01:18:19] and I were the first people to record a podcast on this viral platform, and it just has just blown up. So, we're going to be releasing these recordings this year, and yeah, we record every Friday at 11:30 pacific time. It's just been a joy and this thing I look forward to doing every week, so super fun. Q: How Can I Support The SuperFeast Podcast? A: Tell all your friends and family and share online! We’d also love it if you could subscribe and review this podcast on iTunes. Or  check us out on Stitcher, CastBox, iHeart RADIO:)! Plus  we're on Spotify!   Check Out The Transcript Here:   Mason: (00:01) Molly, mate. Welcome back.   Molly: (00:05) So good to be here, Mason. It's been a while.   Mason: (00:08) Yeah, it's been a while. Yeah, it was pre-pandemic when we spoke on the podcast last. But, always feel connected, always tuning in to your great ramblings and sharings and wisdom on Instagram.   Molly: (00:26) I do ramble. I ramble on.   Mason: (00:29) Rambling's good, I like it. It's like it's authentic. Hey, let's talk about, first of all, how are you going?   Molly: (00:34) You know what, I'm starting to actually believe that I know a few things about health despite always questioning myself and questioning everything I know, I'm really starting to feel pretty confident. I just landed a book deal with a really great publisher, Harper Wave, and I'm-   Mason: (00:54) Damn. HW.   Molly: (00:55) Yeah, I know, I'm stoked. I'm just feeling like honestly frustrated about some annoying health issues that have come up, but also really confident that I am just a great medical investigator and I'm good at solving problems, and I can solve anything. So, I'm just like really optimistic, slightly frustrated and very excited about the fact that you may or may not agree with this, but I did get the vaccine, and I'm going to be travelling in April when I'm fully vaccinated, and I haven't been travelling a lot, and I'm going to be going out into the world again. So, I'm pretty stoked about that. But yeah, it was a really hard decision to get the vaccine. I was really unclear whether or not it was the right move. I know these are highly contentious because of how quickly they were able to get out into the market, but I did a lot of homework on them, and I actually personally have worked on a vaccine before. So, even though it seems like this technology is brand new, it turns out that there's been a lot of people working on this for many, many years, and it just seems new to us because we haven't really paid attention to the people in their clinics and the research institutions actually doing the work to lay the groundwork for this.   Mason: (02:09) I will say, have you got your highlight around your process, around getting the vaccine saved? Have you got that saved in your highlights?   Molly: (02:16) Oh, I'm going to save it in my highlight today. Thanks for reminding me to do that.   Mason: (02:20) [crosstalk 00:02:20]. There's one thing-   Molly: (02:21) Yeah.   Mason: (02:22) You say, and it is contentious, but as long as we can all sit down and have a good yarn about it, that's all I really give a shit about is having a good yarn about these things. I really enjoyed watching your process of you get there to decide, and even it's fun watching someone who thinks about these things so deeply talking about you getting one brand vaccine versus the other. Then also, going through the process of getting called out, of going, now you come back and make sure you respect those of us that don't. You did a really good little retraction of a comment, which I think takes a lot of balls. This is going to lead me somewhere else because it's interesting you going, you're going to travel now because you've got the vaccine, and I've gone through the process, I went through it last year in autumn [inaudible 00:03:11] from the Daoist perspective to mourn. And for me, I'm just mourning the fact that I may never travel overseas again, and then gotten to the point where I'm like, "Sweet, cool," I can-   Molly: (03:21) Well, you're living in Australia and it's magical there.   Mason: (03:24) Yeah. It's true.   Molly: (03:26) I'm really jealous by the way. Here's the thing, I'm probably not going to be travelling abroad a lot, even though I would like to. But, you're right, I have done a lot of mourning. I also just, I think we have all done a lot of mourning. I think that just I'm someone who's extremely, pretty used to travelling a lot, so I actually was like... Last year, I was all over the country to be honest with you. I was in Hawaii, LA, Illinois, Wisconsin, and Florida, and a few trips to Austin, and that felt limited to me. That felt limited. So for me, I understand that I'm not a typical, normal person. A lot of people don't travel very much regularly, but I was travelling almost every week or every few weeks, multiple times a month. And it really caused me to slow down, and it was good for me to slow down, and I needed to slow down, and it was actually highly productive to slow down. But, I have this deep sense of disconnection to a community of my friends all over the country and world that is not being easily replaced by small numbers of close, close friends. Like, I genuinely miss my groups of friends. So, I feel like a massive community deficiency right now, and that's mostly why I'm travelling.   Molly: (04:43) But, going back to the things we were talking about before, yeah, I did save my vaccine story. I'm going to save my vaccine story on my Instagram. I think it's important for people to understand that I'm not pro-vaccines for everyone. I think it's a personal decision. I think autonomy is important, and I think that obviously we could talk for an entire hour on vaccines, and we're not going to do that today. But, the point is that some countries don't have nearly as big as a problem as America does. We are the worst of the worst, and unfortunately because I'm in an environment that's so infectious, I felt like it was the right move for me to make. But, I totally understand if other people in other countries with lower infectious rates don't really want it, and I don't see if you need to get it frankly. I just happen to live in a really screwed up country.   Mason: (05:29) [crosstalk 00:05:29] as I said, the stories are really fascinating, especially with the context that you talk a lot about. You're talking about vitamin D deficiencies and talking about everything else that everyone could be doing for their immune system as well as [crosstalk 00:05:39]-   Molly: (05:39) Yeah, yeah, it's not just about vaccines.   Mason: (05:41) Yeah.   Molly: (05:42) And also, I talk a lot about viruses in general, and I had been talking about viruses for the last few years, and a lot of people don't realise that just living a life of chronic stress breaks down your immune system, and it sets the conditions up for you to be infected with diseases like viruses. So, viruses are particularly just nasty, because they can really disrupt your metabolism, and they can also increase inflammation throughout the body. So, they basically set off all the alarms in the house, and then they unplug your refrigerator so nothing fucking works in the kitchen. So, everything is a mess. I'm taking care of a bunch of patients with chronic viral infections, and I personally just thought that if I were to weigh getting chronic COVID, one in 10 people could get chronic COVID in America, either that versus getting less than one percent chance of getting a side effect from the vaccine, I was like, all right, this is a hard thing to decide, but I chose the vaccine instead. Anyway, we're not going to talk about vaccines all day, but because I know a lot of your audience is like, "Oh my God, already don't trust her because she's talking about vaccines."   Mason: (06:52) Well, I mean, the good thing is I think first... and maybe, but it's also, that's a good opportunity for everyone to have a good little step back and reflection on themselves, and putting out a quick judgement on someone just because they got a vaccine, or likewise, there's probably a lot of people listening who are now trusting you because you did get the vaccine.   Molly: (07:12) It's probably true, yeah. Well, I've seen both ways. I've actually had a lot of people tell me on Instagram, "I don't agree with your opinions on how to manage COVID or treat it or prevent it, but I still listen to you because I actually really like your opinions on a bunch of other things." So, you pick what works for you, and you take what you learn from different people, and you try things on, and then things that don't work for you, you don't have to wear.   Mason: (07:40) That kind of ideological tribalism and extreme judgement , I mean, we've been talking about it a bit at the moment because we're in late summer here versus you going into that transition period into spring. So, from a spleen, soil philosophy or energetic, we're at a time where you kind of start, you come down, you hit the ground, and you start reflecting on where your intellect is serving you, and where it can be tuned up to be like, so you're having high quality thoughts, high quality beliefs that are actually helping you move towards being a better person, high quality ideas and thoughts that are taking you in the direction of being effective at manifesting your intentions or your dreams or whatever it is, just being a better person. So, I think that it's a really good opportunity here, and that's what I'm doing, I'm just really watching whether the quality of my thoughts... I like having judgement , whether my judgement is really basically quality, and taking me towards more of a place where I'm feeling myself... Gosh, what's the word I want to use there? I mean, I don't want to lose myself into an ideology or a set of beliefs, and the vaccines are the area where it's so contentious that people are going to lose their sovereignty or their capacity to stay connected to that observer part of themselves, and they're going to quickly fly off because their spleen's-   Molly: (09:02) It's a tribal decision for a lot of people, you know?   Mason: (09:03) Exactly.   Molly: (09:05) It's like, I'm either in this tribe or I'm not, and if I'm not, then I don't believe anything that this person has to say. And the truth is is that I've seen some great health influencers, in my opinion, have some fairly irresponsible belief systems around certain things that I personally think are scientifically sound. Yeah, at the same time, I'm like, wow, I still respect that person's opinion on nutrition, because they're really good at nutrition, that's what they're trained to know about. So, I really feel like sense making right now is really hard, because there is so much misinformation in the world, there is so much science to work through, there's so many people that you have to choose to listen to. Then, you have to sit and make a decision for yourself and your family. That is a lot of stress for people who maybe didn't have enough biology in high school, or didn't take science classes in college, and it doesn't seem logical or intuitive to them to listen to people who maybe have more experience in that arena.   Molly: (10:08) At the same time, I wish there were more scientists who actually questioned the overall messaging that we've been promoting around this infection, which is like, everyone's been so focused on the science that they haven't focused on the basics of health. They haven't been talking about sleep, they haven't been talking about nutrition, they haven't been talking about exercise, they haven't been talking about community and all these things. There haven't been any really strong strategies for managing the health of our country aside from the things that we know can also inhibit health. So, it's like a really, really complicated time to be alive, because on one hand, we need social interaction, we need to touch people, we need to eat healthier foods, we need to get outside, and we need to have some sense of normalcy. So, I think it's been really hard for people because on one hand you want to follow all the rules, but on the other hand, I still need to maintain my health. Then, you have basically find some sort of middle ground, where the two Venn Diagrams of health and sickness fixing overlap, where you can actually thrive in the midst of adversity. That's what I've been trying to do this whole time.   Mason: (11:23) Well, the trust is all gone. I mean, who's going to trust when they've got authorities going and dragging surfers out of the water. I'm just like, this doesn't make sense, guys. This doesn't make a lick of sense. How can we trust you when you're focusing completely on this? The whole political-   Molly: (11:39) Yeah.   Mason: (11:39) I know, I've been watching how it's working here, how it's working over there, the level of contradiction and [crosstalk 00:11:45]-   Molly: (11:45) It's a mess over here.   Mason: (11:46) Non actual leadership, you know, not these qualities of leadership that we-   Molly: (11:50) Yeah.   Mason: (11:51) I was talking about, before this, I'm reading a bunch of business books and trying to figure out a way to take all those concepts that are going to structure our business without getting past the soul of our business right now. The kind of leadership qualities that you see talked about in all of these books is something that's so not valued for most of the parties that are in power right now. Therefore, why am I going to trust you guys? Then, it's going to create more division. That's not the reason why I'm not taking the vaccine. Personally, I've just got my little core meditation that I have on it, and that's why most of the time, I just shut up on it. I get asked a lot about it, more and more these days I get asked about vaccines and people wanting me to do spiels on the podcast, and I'm like, I've been at that point of my influencer career when I think I have a moral obligation to use my platform to talk about something, even when I haven't gone down enough of a rabbit hole, and haven't sat with it long enough in order to actually feel like I'm justifying... not justifying, but having validity to sway people's opinion based on what mine is.   Mason: (12:57) So, I think I'm enjoying just shutting up. Then, I like listening to people who have gone down deep ends on each side of things, and then watching out for their ideology, and watching how they're just creating more division, or potentially create really good insights right there on the fence. Anyway, I don't know. As I said, I've mourned that I may never travel overseas because I'm not going to get my little vaccine card. I'll accept the consequences and go on laughing and playing otherwise.   Molly: (13:32) I'm going to come visit you.   Mason: (13:33) Yeah, yeah, you can come over here.   Molly: (13:34) I can get to Australia. I have a friend who's a doctor there, and he said he would get me in the country if I needed to get there. I personally would much rather be in Australia right now. My only issue is that all my clients are in America, and so it'd be kind of hard for me to move my business there. But-   Mason: (13:49) You'd just be doing early mornings, very early mornings.   Molly: (13:53) It'd be really hard to do work. I'd have to mess up my sleep schedule, and that's not going to happen. But, I don't know, to get to some positive notes of all this, I do really feel like one of the silver linings of all of this is that there are a lot more people thinking about health-   Mason: (14:12) Yeah.   Molly: (14:12) And thinking about balance and harmony-   Mason: (14:13) For sure.   Molly: (14:14) And thinking about how do I actually maintain resilience in my body and capacity to be able to fight off infections better. And they're more interested in things like Chinese medicine and Ayurveda and alternative medicines, and frankly that's where truly I think a lot of health is made, and modern medicine is mostly the battlefield for people who are ravaged by chronic illness and major illness, acute illnesses. So ideally, you want to be in peace time metabolism with a healthy diet and lower stress levels, and just really properly taking care of yourself. But, the reality is that most of us who are high performers, and a lot of my clients are, really do struggle with stress. I'd say that a lot of people have pretty much nailed nutrition and exercise, but are still unaware that they're over training or that they're overworking themselves or that they're overextending themselves. One of the things, I don't know if you've ever noticed this in people, but I've seen a lot of people who do a lot of the main lifestyle habits that are necessary for creating energy in the body, and you build up this capacity, and you kind of feel like you're unstoppable.   Molly: (15:28) So, you go out and you spend all of this energy doing amazing stuff in the world, and then you find yourself before you know it, starting to burnout and starting to be tired, and starting to feel out of whack and out of balance. I personally experience this multiple times in my life, so I know it's real, but I've also seen it a lot in my clients who are just really successful people, and they're doing everything right, but then the stress hits them over time. And maybe they end up with a really bad virus, and before you know it, they're really not well. So, I think the real challenge of people who want to be high performers is this balance of how do I put my body under stress in order to get stronger but not to break. That's the real aim in a lot of cases. It's actually a pretty big challenge to do that.   Mason: (16:21) This might be a weird segue, but I think just going based on your experience, because you've got a personal amount of experience in navigating that give an inch take a mile. We observe it a lot here. I'm definitely like that. We've kind of identified especially... you'll see, from looking at which organ is the dominant organ. Liver people are always like that. They're just such go getters, and they just can't [inaudible 00:16:55], "Oh cool, I feel kind of okay, I'm going to start a bajillion projects right now, and then burn out." You were saying at the beginning that you're now trusting that you know something about medicine. So, that brings in everything that's like a cliché of [inaudible 00:17:09] whether it's imposter syndrome, but I think that's not the best way to put it because I think there's a... You've now arrived at a point where you've actually grounded in yourself a confidence and an acknowledgement that you know your shit. I say, not through getting through the imposter syndrome, because quite often I think when imposter syndrome is present, that might be a bad quality judgement that you have on yourself, that you're an imposter. But, it doesn't mean the feeling that you might be able to slow down and learn some more and refine the way that you communicate [crosstalk 00:17:44]-   Molly: (17:44) Oh my gosh, yeah. Yeah. There's so much I... It's like knowing what you know and knowing what you don't know, and being able to admit when you don't know something. Also, recognising that to be honest with you, I teach at Stanford, and I haven't met a single student who doesn't have imposter syndrome, and they're like the top students in America. So, when I realise that all these really smart, bright people had it, I was like, "I'm done with this shit." We're all really talented. In fact, you don't need to be an Ivy League person to be really talented, but the point I'm trying to make is that some of most successful people actually struggle with admitting that they know their shit, you know?   Mason: (18:27) Yeah, but I think where you will see burnout a lot of the time, and correct me if I'm wrong, if this is your experience, because I'm just talking from my experience. When I am sitting in that, I've got a subtle feeling of imposter syndrome, or if I went to the heart of that, it's probably just saying, "Hey dude, slow down." [crosstalk 00:18:46]-   Molly: (18:45) Yes, totally.   Mason: (18:46) Acknowledge what you really do know, don't worry about trying to prove yourself with all this other stuff, just sit in the knowledge and then slowly just chop wood, carry water and learn what you need to learn. So, I've a few times kind of relate to... I think what's taken me is that needed to prove myself because I'm trying to prove that I'm... yes, dad, I am good enough, or whatever I'm trying to do, and take myself to burnout, that when I came back to reality, go, all right, I'm not an imposter, I do know a lot. Then, I come to terms with a lot of acceptance with where my life is, what options I actually do have based on the knowledge and skill sets that I do. All of a sudden, I felt less likely to go into that burnout cycle. I was curious for you, what you felt those critical moments or tweaks in mindset or activity were that took you from going into that burnout and imposter through yes, you just accepted you knew your shit. But, I watch you grind and work every day so I know it's not just a, "Hey, Molly. Stop feeling that way, you know your stuff." Amazing, I do know my stuff, and know it's perfect. I know that there was a lot of stuff going on in the background.   Molly: (20:04) I think honestly a lot of it's come from just talking to patients. I've had just a lot of really positive outcomes with clients in the last year, and I've just seen their bodies just transform and reverse all sorts of things without any medications at all really. So, to see people get better and be like, "Oh my God, this all works," and just have people tell me regularly, "Man, everything you tell me works." I would hope it does. That really encourages me honestly, that's really helpful, just seeing people get better. Also, I have really worked on my spirituality in the last few years let's say. Really since, let's say, it was about 2019 August when I just was hit with a massive spiritual awakening. Since then, it's been a massive ego just excavation, dissolution, and reconstruction, and just trying to... really, that was really what it felt like. It was really quite painful by the way, and I would recommend everyone go through it if they are ready for the real work of life.   Mason: (21:18) Was yours quite cathartic and sudden? What were you-   Molly: (21:21) Oh yeah.   Mason: (21:23) Deep diving into meditation or plant medicine? Did anything kick it off?   Molly: (21:26) Okay, so the awakening actually was quite interesting. So, I study how to create bioenergetic capacity in the body, and I've been doing a bunch of things that I had been studying, which was fasting. I did a three day fast, I spent a bunch of time in the sunlight because I was charging all my batteries. Then, after I broke the fast with a really healthy California meal in wine country, and then I went the next day and worked out at a gym, lifted weights and did high intensity interval training, and then a sauna. So, all of that is just massive bioenergetic capacity building. Then, at the same time, I was kind of on a date, and I was really attracted to this guy, but it turns out that he was not at all interested in pursuing anything sexual at the time, because he was working through a bunch of his own emotional shit.   Molly: (22:11) So, I was really frustrated sexually. So, there was all of these energetic things combined. Then, I ended up seeing my community at this beautiful dinner after the whole weekend was over. I come home one night, and I just literally in bed... It's so funny even saying this out loud because it's so embarrassing, but it was like... I was thinking about how in the future we're going to have clinics for giving people MDMA and other psychedelics, and I was really just alive with vitality and possibility in the future. I just started having this full body involuntary orgasm. This is so weird, I cannot explain this. This is a crazy experience, how am I going to tell my friend about this? No one's going to believe me. Then, I was like, "Oh shit, this is kundalini awakening. Fuck." Sorry, you [inaudible 00:22:58].   Mason: (22:58) [crosstalk 00:22:58]-   Molly: (22:58) Then, I was like, because I remember one of my friends who's this amazing spiritual woman was telling me about her experience, and only the context from her experience to understand what was happening to me. So, I was like, reading books about this afterwards, and I was just like, "Oh whoa, wait, wait, hold the phone, I don't know if this is actually a good thing." Because the funny thing is, I had kind of been praying weirdly for the first time in a while. To God, I was like, "Man, I just need a taste of enlightenment. There's got to be something more than this existence that I'm living right now." Because I was really struggling before that moment with a breakup and a business readjustment, and a lot of things were changing in my life, and I was really struggling.   Molly: (23:40) I just asked the universe. There's got to be something more to life than this. I wasn't quite depressed, but I wasn't happy. And so, that thing happened and I definitely came out of it excited because [inaudible 00:23:55], that is so cool, this thing just happened. Then, I read about it, and I was like, "Oh no, this turns people's lives completely upside down, and I just don't have time for that. I just don't have time for this." So, luckily, I had a meditation retreat lined up. Then, through that meditation retreat, I actually had a vision of these books I wanted to write, and had this... I snuck a pen and paper in, so I wrote out the entire outline of the book in the retreat.   Mason: (24:21) Very Vipassana.   Molly: (24:23) Very Vipassana right? , yeah.   Mason: (24:24) Oh, it was? Okay.   Molly: (24:28) It was definitely not allowed, definitely not allowed.   Mason: (24:30) Very naughty, yeah.   Molly: (24:30) Super rule breaker, but I mean, I did it anyway. Then, it felt like every time I would come back into the world... After I went on that retreat, I came back into the world, and it just felt like this massively heightened sense of... All of my senses were heightened, and it was almost like too much to take because I was living in The Mission of San Francisco, and there was so much fucked up shit in the street. I'm sorry to cuss, but there was homelessness and drug addicts, and shit all over the sidewalks, and it was just filthy, and I couldn't really handle the energetics of San Francisco at the time. So, I went back to meditation, to another retreat, came out of it, had the same experience, and I was like, "Maybe I'm not supposed to be in San Francisco right now. So, I decided after, let's see, what was it, the second retreat, that I would just take a sabbatical in Maui, and ended up really using that time to really get to know myself again. Those six months were pretty pivotal. Then, right when I was coming out, of all the spiritual transformation, and all this growth, COVID hits. So, I'm like, "Oh God." I was really excited to go back into the world, but I was also like, "Oh God, there's like a pandemic." Yeah.   Mason: (25:46) I remember you, you were sharing a bit then. Because I was kind of in the [inaudible 00:25:52] in the middle of the pandemic and very aware, because we've got Chinese herbs and blah blah blah, all these kinds of things. But, I remember watching people almost pleading with you in your comment section to please come back to reality and learn what's going on.   Molly: (26:05) Yeah.   Mason: (26:09) It was a good living vicariously, for me to live vicariously through you going, "Oh, that'd be so good to just be like, not really, really aware of what's going on in the world right now, and just being still flying up in spirit, and whatever it is, whatever way you want to put it." Then, I remember you getting back and going, "Holy shit, this is real. This is really real."   Molly: (26:35) I know. And to be honest with you, I'm actually really grateful for all the pain and suffering I went through in the last year, because I had an injury, and I had a bunch of hormones dysfunctional because... and I moved back to the Midwest for part of the time, and all of that challenge of literally I had a lot more health challenges in the mainland than I did in Hawaii by like a factor of a 100. It gave me this ability to really develop a deeper sense of empathy for America, and for what people in the Midwest go through. I was like a west coast health guru who preached about health, but really I had kind of lost touch with how hard it is to be healthy in most of the country.   Molly: (27:19) So, by coming back and actually experiencing my world change so dramatically, like what it's like to be isolated, what is it like to eat food that's not in accordance to what I would prefer to be eating, what it's like to be indoors for wintertime, all sorts of stuff that I just wasn't used to doing. I, A, realised that like, oh, I can handle a lot more than I thought I could, and B, it just makes you realise if you don't have perspective of what most people are dealing with, then it's really actually quite hard to really preach about health, because you don't really have any understanding of the average person's life, you know? You have this understand of your optimised version of life, and that's just not the real world for a lot of people. So, it actually I think made me a better doctor, I think it's made me a lot more empathetic, and it's certainly humbled the shit out of me, which has been really, really good for my ego as well I would say.   Mason: (28:22) [inaudible 00:28:22] dig. That's a really good way to put it. I mean, it's a great way to put it because it's not just [inaudible 00:28:29]. It's not just a stagnant moment in time where an ego dies once. It's like, no, it goes on and on, and on and on and on. [inaudible 00:28:37] digs [crosstalk 00:28:37]-   Molly: (28:37) Oh yeah, it comes back, and then we have to dissolve it again, and then it brings back, and then [inaudible 00:28:43] question is how do you find this medium between ideally self actualization and ego transcendence. That's really the goal, you know? And every time I-   Mason: (28:53) What have you been doing to stay grounded?   Molly: (28:55) Huh?   Mason: (28:56) Yeah, sorry, I do want to hear that point.   Molly: (28:58) Oh yeah, yeah, what am I doing to stay grounded?   Mason: (29:00) Yeah.   Molly: (29:02) To be honest with you, my family has been unbelievably supportive and kind. I'm very fortunate my family has some beautiful homes that I've been able to stay in. Basically, instead of being isolated in San Francisco where all my stuff's in storage, I spent a lot of time with family, and that grounded me a tonne. Okay, so fun fact, I hate winter, and I was really quite sad about being here in winter, but I also wasn't... but, it was really bad COVID this year in the... obviously in the winter time, it was quite horrible, so really travelling and moving wasn't an option. So, I started running outside in like subscribe 30 degrees... I guess, what is 30 degree Fahrenheit in celsius? I don't remember.   Molly: (29:48) But, basically, very cold, freezing weather. I started running outside in nature, and it wasn't pretty, and it wasn't particularly fun, but there were some ice storms that made it kind of pretty, kind of beautiful I guess. But, I started running outside, and I was using the cold to actually make me stronger, and I was using the elements as a weighted vest. So, essentially, I was teaching my body to adapt to an environment that it wasn't adapted to. self actualization and ego transcendence.Oh, yeah? The herbies? [inaudible 00:30:45]-   Molly: (30:44) The herbies.   Mason: (30:45) [crosstalk 00:30:45] as well according.   Molly: (30:45) Yeah, I did a lot of mushrooms to be honest with you, a lot of medicinal mushrooms this year. I did some psychedelics as well. So, I did a couple mushroom trips, and I have to admit that it still makes me nervous to talk about it, but I think it's important that people hear that there is a healthy way to ingest psychedelics without hurting yourself. Basically, I really found that when I was really struggling emotionally during the pandemic, being able to fully feel all of my emotions was really, really helpful for just getting me to feel a sense of release. We waddle so much up, and we stay so stoic and strong, and there's a point where you're just like, "I got to feel everything." Feeling everything is definitely something that most people don't try to do regularly, and I think it's actually really important.   Mason: (31:40) Coming from being in San Fran, and that tech bubble, I think that's the interesting thing. I do want to get to talking about psychedelics, but let's maybe chat a little bit now about that extreme of health, about hearing about feeling emotions. So, you've been talking about going to meditative retreats, but in that kind of time, doing things that were quite... even though we've all, not that we've all done them, but a lot of us have done things like that. They're extreme. Likewise, I've been to deep dive 10 day ayahuasca retreats, 10 day meditation retreats. These big things to crack your lack of capacity to get deep and see what's in the way of you feeling emotions and working through them so on and so forth. That's an extreme thing, and then sounds like you've really come back and consolidated your capacity to consistently feel your emotions balanced out with this capacity to stay within, not necessarily even just the tech world, but definitely reading your biological markers, being in that technological [crosstalk 00:32:46]-   Molly: (32:45) Sure.   Mason: (32:45) A capacity to really have high quality intellectual thinking about what is optimal in the body, and helping [crosstalk 00:32:55] as natural as possible, helping yourself and your clients come back to whatever word we want to use, balance homeostasis is optimal.   Molly: (33:02) Sure, yeah.   Mason: (33:03) Let's talk about that, because I definitely... as I kind of shared before we jumped on the podcast, I'm kind of getting into a point where I'm grounding. I'm still quite Peter Pan ish, but I'm really going through that time in the movie Hook where Robin Williams' Pan comes back and really learns to become a businessman. But, I'm trying to do so and not have that step where I completely forget who I am as a child and as that Peter Pan in a creative sense, and stay really integrated. So, I'm at the point where as we were talking about before, I've had so much space to stay completely as a purist when it comes to my health, and now, even though I've always utilised little grounding mats, and little technologies that [crosstalk 00:33:55]... I've definitely resisted the word bio hackers, and I still do, but the utilisation of these whether it's gadgets or [inaudible 00:34:04]. I'm ready to let it support me, because I'm feeling quite connected to who I am, and I've got my chop wood, carry water capacity to stay in nature and feel my emotions. But, I'm ready to feel optimal in this space that's quite unnatural, being in a warehouse, in an office, and running a company like this. It's become more natural, but I don't consider it [inaudible 00:34:28].   Molly: (34:29) Yeah. Yeah, exactly.   Mason: (34:31) And I'd like my wild body, my health to remain kind of wild. So, let's dive in. What I've got myself an Oura ring, let's talk about that, and then let's go through all the other kind of things that your executives and you are doing to stay completely killing it, like killing it.   Molly: (34:53) I appreciate that. So, first off, I really appreciate what you have to say about doing the work emotionally and spiritually. If you aren't in this positive mindset and staying focused on trying to be aware of your emotional state and your inclinations, it's really easy for your health to just go south by just having consistently negative attitude toward the world. So, you've already done a lot of the groundwork of the spiritual and the emotional, and they are very much going to impact your health, but they're not the only things that do, right? So, for a long time, I spent only my focus was on biology, and it wasn't until the last few years that I really started to dig into the mind body connection and the mind, body, spirit connection, and realising like wow, these are other very important pieces of this health puzzle. But, that being said, the biology still matters.   Molly: (35:53) So, I find that for a lot of people who are really interested in natural health, they're doing a lot of really important work, which is maintaining the right mindset, maintaining the right sort of energetic vibration towards their existence to keep them in a state where they're less likely to break down because they have so much positive health capacity from just their general existence and the way that they live their lives. That being said, our bodies are like houses, right? So, think about your body like a house or a car, it's not going to stay pristine forever. Anyone who's ever owned or used a house, rented a house, realises that stuff breaks, things break down over time. You can build a brand new house, and within a few years, something's going to break, right? So, your body is not that much different, right? Unfortunately or fortunately, we are subject to the same laws of nature as anything else so entropy happens or more disorder will happen over time inside the body. And with that, you got to keep tabs on some pivotal biomarkers, and what I would call internal sensations. So, you can gain awareness of what's really going on inside your body. So, there's a few different ways to investigate what's going on inside the body, and the things I mentioned just now were biomarkers so laboratory tests.   Molly: (37:15) So, I've always been a big believer in more labs, better data, that's better health. But, I'm also a big believer that labs are just a snapshot in time. It's like a picture of your body, a picture of your house. It's not also like a perfect picture, it's actually missing a bunch on information, and it's only that one picture in time. So, that's why I'm really into continuous monitoring. So, that's why I like putting the Oura ring on people. I'll even go as far as to have clients were the [inaudible 00:37:44] therapeutics device to monitor their stress continuously through heart rate variability, because a lot of my clients say, "Oh, I'm not stressed out," but then you put one of these on, you're like, "Well, your HRV sucks like most of the day. What's going on at work?" Or "You HRV is really bad at home, what's going on with your relationships?" You can really triangulate where the stress is coming from their life. But then, there's also the qualitative, right? So, the actual sensations that you feel about your life that you need to actually review. So, I have four different questionnaires I give someone on stress for example, but I have literally an entire packet of questionnaires I give each new client to get a baseline qualitative understanding of their health experience.   Molly: (38:25) So, there's the qualitative and the quantitative, and then there's also as part of the quantitative, imaging. So, I never really thought that I would be someone who would recommend imaging to people until I started just getting it for experimental reasons. So, I was in Japan doing some work with a company a couple years ago, and I went through the entire Japanese employer health system, and experienced what it was like to be an employee in Japan and what would happen if you lived there. And they do endoscopes and ultrasounds and x-rays and all sorts of things that you don't do in America, just as precaution, just for screening. I discovered all sorts of interesting findings that were helpful for me to actually have a better understanding of what my body looks like. Then, I got an MRI this last year, and a full body MRI gave me this view of the inside of the body. Let's say you've only had a house that you've only seen from the outside, and then from the inside, you've only got letters about what's going on inside, describing what's on the inside, but never actually seen the inside before.   Molly: (39:27) So, I finally got the view of inside of the house, and I was like, "Oh my God, there's all these weird things that I never knew were there." So, this has always been my aim of my practise, and the aim of my promoting to people, is systems biology is an understanding of the body that comes from multiple levels of how we are designed. So, there's genetics, there's metabolomics, and biomarkers, right? There's the actually physical body. Then, there's the body within a system. So, I'm also looking for my clients about their air quality in their environment. So, I'll literally look up their air quality index where they live, and I'll say, "Hey, so I don't know if you know this, but the air quality index where you live is terrible, and you need to get these air purifiers because you really shouldn't be living there."   Molly: (40:15) Another one of my clients for example lives in a really loud environment, and I said, "Look, I know that you don't think this is an issue, but the decibel level in your neighbourhood is actually really loud, and that's causing your body to experience unsafety signalling." So, it's really about seeing this individual person within the context of their life and in the world. So, that's kind of how I work, and it's actually really, and it's this very bespoke medicine. It's like custom detailing, custom suit making, custom detailing a car. It's not really accessible for a lot of people, but in the future, my brain will be software so everyone will be able to get this.   Mason: (40:58) You get really excited when you go through an MRI and see what's going on. How do you coach people to not freak out when they start learning all these things [crosstalk 00:41:07] negative? Because I'm sure it comes up and it looks like if you're being effective with your clients, you obviously are effective at helping people through that.   Molly: (41:16) Right. So, one of my clients recently discovered he had some kidney dysfunction. According to the national kidney association or whatever, there's like another name for it, it's stage two chronic kidney disease. That sounds really scary, but actually it just means he has impaired kidney function, it's like not perfect. So, it's not serious, but it's something that he should know about. Because if you don't know that you have impaired kidney function, and let's say I get really sick and you're in the hospital, they give you a bunch of contrast, that could actually cause damage to the kidneys-   Mason: (41:49) Contrast, sorry?   Molly: (41:53) Like contrast for a CT for example, it's very necrotoxic. We were thinking about getting him this type of test to check his heart function, and I said, "You know, I don't really know if we should do this because you don't have any real symptoms, this is mostly based on your lab results, and honestly I don't know if your kidney function is good. Let's check your kidney function." So, we look at his kidney function, it's not perfect, and then we look at his MRI, and he actually has some facets of his kidney that are hyper intent signalling, which means that there's been a bit of damage to his kidneys, which he actually has a history of kidney stones, which a lot of people think, oh, kidney stones, no big deal, right? Well actually, if you actually have something blocking your flow of blood or urine, basically the flow of... Blood goes into the kidney, and then it comes out as urine.   Molly: (42:43) So, if you have a stone that's causing this impaired flow, that can actually cause damage. It's kind of like there's a dam that got plugged or something, and there's backflow, not good, right? So, just having an understanding of someone's body can actually help them not freak out about things in the future because they feel like they have this awareness. Okay, like these are my weak points, this is what I should be watching out for. I don't have to necessarily work every one of these things up, but it's nice to have the piece of mind of knowing this is what's going on in my body. For example, in my own case, I had something that could be benign, but I have a family history of colon cancer, and because of that, I ran some extra labs on myself to make sure I didn't have any blood in my stool or any colon cancer markers on my labs. I just did those little extra things to make sure that I wasn't missing something, right? For a lot of people, they would rather just wait until they're broken before they worry about anything.   Molly: (43:50) But, I'm like, "Look, do you really want to wait until things are completely broken before you get help, or would you like to keep up with the maintenance? So, it's the difference between somebody who in their home just regularly does maintenance and fixes things when they start to break, and somebody who just waits until something’s completely broken to get someone to come in and fix it. It's a different perspective, and it's not for everybody, and it's certainly not the way the healthcare system works today. But, I'm a believer in prevention and prediction, and participation and optimising health early versus late.   Mason: (44:23) It makes sense, and I think you nailed it. Because you're using an MRI and this testing that's associated with the modern medical model as we are right now, which if you do find out all this stuff about yourself, and all you've got is modern conventional medicine, that doesn't fill me with much faith. There shouldn't be, because there's no capacity most of the time to go actually get to the bottom of it. But, you're talking about utilising techniques that are within the realm of for lack of a better word, holistic, trying too get to the bottom of it without using drugs and surgery if possible, which is a completely different-   Molly: (44:55) If you can, yeah.   Mason: (44:56) If you can.   Molly: (44:58) I mean, the goal is to try avoid using drugs and surgery if you don't need them, but also to be... the reality is that I have had some clients who just frankly had some weird genetic conditions. I was able to discover these genetic problems that none of their doctors throughout the whole world... They had unlimited funding by the way, and they could literally get to any doctor, and no one could figure out what was wrong with them. So, I said, "Let's do a clinical [inaudible 00:45:25]." And you know what? When I first started ordering these, they were thousands of dollars, and now they're like hundreds of dollars. To be able to have this control at access over your bodily information, to me, this is freedom and power. So, he discovered that there was... He had [inaudible 00:45:45] in his family history. There was some inbreeding very early on. He lived in a country that had a lot of that, and so he's on medication, but the thing is, he's on it for a good reason, and the truth is is that we have these genetic predispositions to disease, but life is what activates those predispositions to express themself as disease.   Molly: (46:09) So, life is stressful, and I used to be this kind of we should just do everything natural and we should just recognise that a lot of chronic diseases are preventable. And the truth is that about 80% of chronic diseases are preventable, but the reality is is that we are experiencing so much stress today that it's really quite hard to be able to truly avoid a lot of these conditions just by the nature of the amount of stress that we're under. So, I'm shifting my attitude a little towards more of a surveillance and prevention attitude through technology, instead of being let's just throw it out and just focus on natural because the truth is is that I have a lot of friends who are vegans and they've still gotten cancer, I have friends who frankly who died way too young, and I wonder if they had maybe been doing some surveillance if they maybe would have caught these things earlier.   Molly: (47:11) So, I've seen a lot of things that I would like to have not seen in people that are supposed to happen a lot later in life happen earlier. I'm starting to accept the fact that our environment is truly very polluted, and there's a lot we don't have control over that I wish we did. So, part of my mission is now trying to really, truly educate people about the reality of existence because it's not the same as it used to be. It's not like even 100 years ago. There's so many more chemicals in the environment than there were 100 years ago. It's astonishing. There's just luckily a newfound interest in preserving the environment and cleaning up these toxic sources from our lifestyles, but for a while, it was very taboo to even talk about the things that are potentially poisoning us.   Molly: (48:00) So, I'm kind of on a ramble and a tangent, but the point I'm trying to make is that there's so many things that are in our control, but there still shit that isn't that we have to pay attention to, and recognise that we can do everything perfect with our lifestyles and still get sick. So, the angle I'm at is the healthcare system is not really there to prevent your disease, even though they say they are. They're really there to make sure that once you're really sick they can help you. If you want to really go out of your way to identify you're getting sick way earlier on than the moment you get diagnosed with hypertension or heart disease or cancer or high blood pressure, or sorry I said that, but or hyperlipidemia or diabetes, you might want to be attending to this earlier on. So, a lot of these things are very slow growing and slow moving, and so you can nip them in the bud when you're young and are actually motivated to change versus when you're older and already set in your ways.   Mason: (48:54) That's a good ramble, just going to give you that [crosstalk 00:48:58]-   Molly: (48:57) Really long ramble.   Mason: (48:59) Yeah, that was. I did enjoy that one thoroughly. Can you go back, even if we get nice little snapshots, the Oura ring?   Molly: (49:08) So yeah, okay-   Mason: (49:10) Purpose, why you like it.   Molly: (49:12) Love the Oura ring because of heart rate variability and sleep monitoring. The main thing I'm looking for with sleep on Oura is just how much time did you actually get in bed, how much rest did you actually get. None of these things are perfect for REM cycles or non REM sleep. You really need to wear a head based EEG monitor to get a truly good assessment of your sleep cycles. Nobody wants to wear those, but that's really the best way to get them. But, this is just quite good for letting you know, how much sleep did they actually get, did they wake up, did they move around.   Molly: (49:49) Then, as I've mentioned, a lot of people are like, "Oh, I'm not stressed out," but then you're like, "What's your heart rate variability," they're like, "I've never really looked." You've got an Oura on. They're like, "Well, I don't know what those things mean." And I look up their Oura, and it's like 20, and I'm like, "Okay, it should be at least 40, optimally 60, you're pretty low. You say you're not stressed out, what are you actually stressed about," and my friends are like, "Oh, I don't know, existential angst because the environment's going to shit and there's forest fires everywhere." And I'm like, "Oh yeah, that's pretty stressful, right?" They're like just realising that they're under stress that moment. So, helping them bring awareness to their stress levels. Then frankly, movement is so important. I mean, gosh, I had to really work hard to get steps in in the last year because of so much isolation and living indoors. I had to actively go outside and just really try to get as many steps in. I bought foot pedals I could use while on calls, like under my desk.   Mason: (50:48) I saw those on an infomercial the other day, they're so funny. I was just going to... I mean, I know they're actually good to sit under your desk. Is that what you mean? The little one under your desk?   Molly: (50:58) Yeah, yeah. Yeah.   Mason: (50:58) It's so funny.   Molly: (50:59) They're so silly looking, but honestly, it's like moving your body is really quite important and sedentary behaviour just sucks balls for health and metabolism. I've literally seen one of my family members go from having pretty normal physique to pretty big belly and no muscle tone on her legs because of sedentary behaviour, too much bread, and alcohol. It's like, look it's all just stress, moves fat to your stomach, okay? It's just the way it works. Cortisol causes central adiposity. Not moving your body wastes your muscles. So, if you waste your muscles, you end up with frailty as you get older, and frailty and bone density loss will kill you faster than anything else because you'll fall and break something and then you're screwed. That's what happens when people get old. They get old and frail, they fall, and they die. It sucks. It doesn't need to be our lives. So, weightlifting is really important. I'm always asking my clients about their exercise regimens, almost everybody doesn't exercise enough, and it's really important to properly learn how to exercise. So, other things that I'm looking at like-   Mason: (52:06) Can I ask there with exercise-   Molly: (52:08) Yeah.   Mason: (52:08) Just quick, I think it's always interesting, because it seems to always be getting refined, and I'd like to hear from you where you see an optimal based on getting the levels that you want, optimal exercise regime.   Molly: (52:24) I think most people should be doing about an hour a day, six days a week. I know that sounds crazy but that's the evidence for all cause mortality lengthening the most. But, that being said, exercise is a stressor, so if you're burned out, chronically ill, or really, really sedentary and really out of shape, you should not just go jump into high intensity interval training and intense weight lifting regimens. You have to give your body time to adapt to greater demands, and that is something that no one talks about even though it's so important and injury is so common when people start exercising. So, it's all about dosing exercise like medicine. You don't just take the big giant dose, you kind of work your way up to the proper dose, and you slowly adapt to this greater demand.   Molly: (53:11) So, I personally think that you need to mix weightlifting and cardiovascular training. A lot of people who are into weightlifting are like, "You don't need cardio." But, guess what? Without cardio, you don't have a strong heart, and without a strong heart, you increase your risk of heart failure when you get older. So, you've got to exercise your heart just like you got to exercise your muscles. Your heart is a muscle. So, I'm a big believer in cardio and... But, not a lot of cardio, and not a lot of chronic cardio. I'm not really into super extended, long cardio sessions because your body just becomes really efficient with that energy when you do too much cardio, and then you end up burning fewer calories, which is not what you want. You want to burn more calories.   Molly: (53:48) So, that's why weightlifting is so important. I do a little bit of high intensity interval training because, like I'm talking 20 minutes, maybe once a week, and that's because that is a very potent signal for mitochondrial biogenesis, that little boom, cause this burst of energy production. But that's again, in a person conditioned to do that much exercise. If you're experiencing chronic fatigue, you're going to have to pace yourself. You're going to have to do a lot less. You have to literally listen to your body until you're able, and mostly walking is what most people should start with. If you're completely sedentary, you should just start walking. Just walk, walk, walk, walk as much as you can. Then, slowly, as your body starts to be able to handle more demands, you can start doing things like body weight exercises, just air squats, pushups, sit ups, things like that.   Molly: (54:36) Then, over time, I mean yoga is another phenomenal thing for everybody. I mean, yoga is just so magical for health. Then, over time, as your body gets stronger, the thing that I try to explain to people is you should be exercising not just for health, but because it gives your body the ability to do more, it gives your body the ability to create more vibrancy and more experience in life. You can do more with yourself, you can hike higher mountains, and you can do more... you can go canyoneering down waterfalls, you can do all sorts of cool stuff with your body that you couldn't do if you were sedentary. So, I'm all about trying to get people back into the mindset they had when they were kids, where you wanted to play constantly, you wanted to go climb trees, you wanted to see what you could do outside. Exercise should ideally be something you look forward to doing, not something that you are like, "Oh, I got to go exercise." I exercise because it's medicine for my brain, and because if I don't exercise, I genuinely don't feel like my mood is good. I just don't feel positive or happy like I do when I do exercise. So, for me, it's medicine for sure. It's definitely medicine for my brain and the ADD for sure too.   Mason: (55:45) Yeah, so good. I mean, that's like [inaudible 00:55:47] are just having consistent every week conversations around how... You've got a four year old, you've got to hone in. Because I know you can make the excuses that there's no time, we're both working full time in the business or spending time with [inaudible 00:56:03]. Then, trying to spend time together with [inaudible 00:56:05]. It's just been nice to feel that progression towards just getting a little bit organised, just go into this calendar a little bit more so, so you can really ensure that you're getting that time exercising, because I think you're right. This is one of the top things I've noticed that's like smashed me in the face since having a kid.   Molly: (56:24) Well, another thing I just want to add about exercise that I think is a new perspective that people don't think about is your muscles are battery packs. They're literally like power packs, they literally make and store charge in the mitochondria, that's why they're red. So, exercise charges your batteries, and not exercising sends the signal to your brain that you don't have high enough demand, and so you stand down regulating energy production. So actually, your body literally adapts to the demands based on the signals it gets. So, when you think about your body and what you want it to learn how to do, if you want to be more powerful with your muscles, you need to do powerful movements. That will increase your ability to create power, right?   Molly: (57:08) So, if you want to have endurance capacity, like yeah, running for two hours a day might be what you want to do, but I wouldn't recommend that because when you do that long exercise you actually start developing really lean muscles and really efficient muscles, and unfortunately that will actually create... Your body is basically sending the signal, okay, I'm going to have to go run for hours in the future, that means I should actually really become really efficient with energy, and you don't really want that if you want to maintain the physique and work as a knowledge worker all day long. So, I'm all for just getting the right amount of exercise, not too much. If you go over an hour of vigorous exercise a day, you can actually impair your immune function. So, too much vigorous intensity exercise is actually very, very bad for your body, and that's why I've seen a bunch of athletes get chronic COVID.   Molly: (58:07) So, over training is also not optimal, which is why I'm like, you want to hit the sweet spot and you want to gradually get there. Let me be frank, it took me many years to go from basically sedentary to working out six days a week an hour a day. It took me literally years, like eight years to get to that point. You do not need to do this overnight. You can do this slowly and gradually over time. Anyone who tries to convince you that you need to start an intense exercise... you start where you're at. Do what works for you, listen to your body. If you feel like you want to do more, do more. But, really listen to your body, and just look at exercise as a signal that you send your brain and your body to produce more energy, and for your brain to produce more neural connections. Exercise increases BDNF in the brain, so it gives your brain more ability to problem solve. So, it's actually really, really good for brain function. I exercise for the functional benefits as well as for the mood benefits and for the physical benefits, and not just for the fact that it's going to make me live longer.   Mason: (59:10) What's your major biomarker to measure whether someone is overexercising?   Molly: (59:17) That's tricky, right? Because a lot of it comes down to... I mean, I'd say heart rate variability is a big one. So, the two big ones you want to look at for exercise... there's a few big ones, right? So, you want to look at VO2 max and that's your oxygen carrying capacity. That's important for cardiovascular exercise. You want to look at your grip strength. You can buy grip strength monitors, but that's like one way to do it, is grip strength.   Mason: (59:40) How are you measuring VO2 as well?   Molly: (59:43) I use an Apple watch, but a company is sending me this home VO2 max monitor. We're now just getting these devices that are able to be done in the home. Usually you need to go to a clinic and do this. But, you can just run for 20 minutes, use an Apple watch, and in about a few runs, it'll start calculating your VO2 max.   Mason: (01:00:02) Right.   Molly: (01:00:03) So, it does, it's pretty cool how it does that. Then,

Nathan Harris, CEO, and co-founder of Ease, an AI-assisted global talent platform that connects leading companies with the world’s brightest people based on culture fit and allows you to collaborate remotely within our virtual workspace. Listen to find out how it all started! Interview Transcript Announcer: [0:03] Live, it's the behind the resume podcast, with why scouts, Max Hansen, where you get to know the person behind the resume. The interesting stuff people never hear about just by looking at a profile here intimate conversations with leaders to learn their story, life hacks, life experiences, and any other interesting practices or learning experiences that have made them who they are today. You know, the interesting stuff. Now, if you're ready, let's go behind the resume. here's your host, why scouts back sanson. Max: [0:43] Welcome to Episode Two of behind the resume with Max Hanson brought to you by why scouts Today's guest is Nathan Harris. Nate is originally from Milwaukee, a Korean and current Scottsdale resident Nate is a successful restaurant here, tech pioneer. Think it's a word I just made up growth strategist, podcaster, consultant, motivational speaker and so much more. Nate's story is an incredible example of the American Dream from growing up and during periods of homelessness to becoming a successful entrepreneur and multiple companies. I can't wait to get behind the resume with Nathan Harris. Welcome to the show, Nate. Nathan: [1:16] Thanks. I appreciate the value in intro. Max: [1:18] You got it. So let's start out what is a motto that you live by? Let's just jump right in. Nathan: [1:25] Yeah, one of the biggest things, it's also the only tattoo on my body is a is the strength in adversity, I feel like the greatest strengths that you find in life. And in pretty much anything that you do is largely when you're facing some form of challenge. And you have to push through that. So that's one of my biggest mottos. Max: [1:42] Got it. It makes sense. So I know a little bit about you. So I'm going to ask some questions. Normally, on this show, I like to start with the professional stuff, and then dig into the juicy stuff. But you have such an amazing story that I want to jump I want to go back. And I want you to tell me about your journey as a child, and you know, being homeless for short periods of time, or maybe they're long periods of time, we'll find out no father figure your mom's role, your brother's role, like let's start with that story. Because I think there's so much there to unpack. Nathan: [2:12] Yeah, I mean, I think that that is the most significant part of what made me who I am today is, you know, having a single mom, being able to try and provide for kids and still grow as an individual as well, is really, really inspiring, you know, to see someone that you know, eight to 20 years old, two kids, and at times, he had to live in a shelter, you know, just to get us to that next chapter. But her willingness to keep us happy and to keep us motivated. And always finding that positive spirit, even through the face of that adversity. So she could give us a better opportunity, or at least the best opportunities you could set us up for. That was just something that inspired me and really having her now even we're walking miles in the snow, you know, with, with no money and just carrying groceries, she keeps us singing, even if our, our feet were freezing. And eventually, though, a lot of that kind of took a toll on her. So by the time I was around 12 years old, my mom attempted suicide out of just facing depression that wasn't really addressed, right. And there's no one there for her to call on. She was all by herself raising two kids. And it created a level of awareness. And in that moment, it was when my brother really kind of showed me what what real man is he decided, you know what, I'm not gonna let us get separated, he basically asked me to go with the flow. Because right now, if we tell anybody that mom's not here, they're gonna take us. So in this moment, he had to decide like, he's got to now be kind of like, we got to be our own dads. So that's really was the turning point for me that, you know, from there forward, it was on us to kind of provide for our families. And it's been that way ever since. Max: [3:48] such an amazing story. How will what's the age difference between you and your brother? Nathan: [3:52] He's about two years older than me. So I was 12, he was 14. And we really had to like band together. And so what we did honestly, to survive as a mom would get these checks and melfin disable, we just take him to the corner store and in the ghetto, like no one's gonna, like was there full girl like cashing a check? I don't know. But that's just how it was. So we would go there with cash, we don't have to, like manage bills. So like, a lot of times we'd be showering with candles, because in the winter, like they would cut the lights off, but they won't cut the heat off. Because like illegal in Wisconsin, we kind of figured out the loophole or the guy, well, we may not have lights, but at least you have enough money for food. So like, that's really kind of how it was growing up. It's like, you had to pick a struggle. It wasn't like you were gonna have any hair, you just have to pick which one. So um, that was my early part of my life. And through going through that ended up taking a toll on me. So by the time I got to my senior high school, I gave up, I didn't want to finish I actually didn't graduate high school on time. I was just like, I want to find a way to live in the streets. And with all this opportunity I had like I was class president I was set up for success, but I just didn't believe myself. So then, when I did that, my brother's like Alright, well then I'll I'm not going to college you then because I'm not leaving behind. So I seen how I was kind of impacting him. And he just basically it really broke me Actually, after a while I was like, I can't be the dragon a family we've been through enough. So then I do a lot of tears decided that I'm going to literally live every day and be better no matter what happens. And I don't know what that better looks like. And I think I was 19 at the time, and a mom do want to hold us back either. So eventually, I moved and got my own apartment and I started working at UPS. I was a receiving manager. I loaded the trucks first, then I became manager. Yeah, but that was kind of like my origin of really breaking out because I got promoted for months to like management. And I started seeing like a different world. And that's when I moved to Milwaukee. And I had to like kind of leave my mom on her own. And she did so great. Like she would go to the grocery store all by herself, which was not a thing. So yeah, that was kind of my origin of like, really want to spread my wings. But I eventually stopped the corporate route about a year in two years to end and start a digital agency, which was my first business. Max: [6:07] Got it. Got it. So did you did you and your brother like play sports? Or like, Did you have any? Did you get to compete when you're younger? What was your childhood like? Nathan: [6:15] He did. So my brother was amazing track athlete reward winning, you know, he went to stay metalled Gold all that wrestling conference champion. He was all those great things. I was class president like, and also the number one talent guy because I was a breakdancer. So that was my thing is like I didn't really like sports. I love dance. So I created my own crew called the fresh bombs crew. And because we live our lives on the ground, but we're still fresh. So we really competed a lot on computer multiple stages. And it was it was my escape. Max: [6:48] That's awesome. I love how breakdancing goes from generation to generation because that was a thing when I was younger, too. And clearly I'm you know, a little bit older than you at least 10 years. Nathan: [6:57] It's a lot of fun. It's a it's something that like I could control but then push the limits still at the same time. Max: [7:04] Yeah, that's what I was gonna I was gonna dig into that a little bit like how do you connect, being a competitive breakdancer to being good professional at what you do now. Nathan: [7:12] Um, they called me dream all the time. And I think it all ties in everything. So rather be how my bars or how I remind a software company or anything that I'm a part of, like a dream it right is it's this weird thing I have where like, I'll even get up and just drive my car for 30 minutes and just like visualize things. So I've always been like that as a kid. So I was right on right all the time. So like, I could see stuff. And then I connected writing and music. And as I listen to music, I would see my mom like moonwalking and stuff in the kitchen and stuff because my mom loved to dance. And apparently like you know, my dad was like a DJ and the dance when he was younger. And I was like, oh, man, it's in the blood. So like, I just got really addicted. And I would dance in front of like the mirror. But it was always like I would Daydream visualize. So it really taught me that in order to dance, you got to be able to create nothing from just to be in a movement or something to be inspired by a trigger, right? So now today rather be when I'm consulting people or are trying to build an ecosystem grow company, my ability to have foresight, my vision, my ability to visualize and created create those experiences in real life, I think is immensely impacted. Because that's all I do. And it's all I've done is just visualizing and execute on officialize. Max: [8:26] Yeah, love it. And I think, you know, one of the things that sticks out to me is that you would dream visualize, and then you would write it down. Because a lot of people you know, I for a long time would think of great ideas. And if you don't write them down, they're very hard to execute on upon that, because they will just be fleeting thoughts. So yeah, it sounds like you develop some good habits early on through breakdancing, which is amazing. Now let's let's change gears a little bit, I will jump in to your company. ease and I'm pretty infatuated with it. Just because I think we're both somewhat in the same industry. Obviously we don't compete but you know, it's it's around recruiting. Yeah. And hiring. So tell me tell me about your your company ease. I know a lot about it, but I want to hear it from you. And, you know, kind of dig in that way. Nathan: [9:10] Yeah, then ease is a was accidental brainchild. Everything I've done is an accident. I was actually working on like my first like bar deal. And it went bad. And like I ended up like kind of on my own. I was like, I don't want to work for anybody ever again. But I got where I was because I had an agency. My agency was virtual. So I had all these smart people all over the United States that were awesome engineers, awesome. Marketers, you're just super brilliant. They were part of a forum that we were on. And I realized, like the thing that I really liked the most was really getting into different business environments and solving problems, but I didn't really like the execution. So what I would do is like, Hey, guys, like I'm gonna code sell strategy, and I'm going to send you guys a bunch of work down for that. Yeah. Okay, great. Now I have this, you know, repertoire of things that I could execute on, as I started, essentially about building a community first. So then as I built this community, a really smart people started connecting them a jobs started then building the platform where they can manage your projects on, they can connect and send messages, and then eventually file share. So I just kept building more tools that they called on. And then now after a while, I had so many different clients managing talent, that I said, What is the real problem? Now at scale? How do we scale this without the human interaction component. And the only way to really scale it is to be able to predict what the key things that make up an ideal fit for a job are. So those key characteristics are around behavioral dynamics, cultural dynamics, and learning styles. So utilize disk, and a variety of predictive analytics tools now today, to predict who will be the best fit for opportunities primarily focused on freelancers. So we are always been focused on remote work digital nomad, brilliant people that want to solve complex problems. And that's really was the brainchild of users really just already had the smart people and I just built a community around giving them what they asked for Max: [11:08] God, what's that's unpack this a little bit. So what I love is, and I think this comes more natural to younger folks and millennials. I don't know, I don't know your exact birthday. But let's just say it's a millennial, I'm just guessing. So the cultural aspect that doesn't come natural to you know, people that are older, and we we got infatuated, I had been in the staffing business for a long time has started to realize that it was it was the differentiating piece, you know, being able to do a job is one thing, being able to fit in with the culture and do the job was, you know, kind of what you're looking for. But how did it just naturally that was just one of the pieces of the puzzle that was super important from the beginning? Or was it something that you figured out through, you know, the your other work that you're involved with, Nathan: [11:52] it was something that I figured out when I was at UPS, honestly, when I was there, I looked at the way that corporate culture worked from the back in the day, and why they even need the unit just to protect them from the policies are set in place, there was nothing about culture was about get the job done and get out. And it didn't allow you to have retention. And it didn't allow you to create what I call the launch pad, right? Every individual today is looking for diversified opportunities, short term burst to get to the next chapter. So realistically, everyone has to think about if you can't be like the only way to be a launchpad, you have to know where they want to go. So I dove deeper into where do somebody want to go? And how can I set you up for success to get there through what I have to offer today. So that was really, really important to me, then and I always brought it in every business I have is I really want to know where my employees want to go. Or anybody in my community wants to greet my friends. Like, I want to know where people want to go, and how can I help you be there? Because even as easy as a product at the end of the day, like I built my career on being a connector, so just happen to build a product around it. Max: [12:55] Yeah, that's it. That's awesome. And it sounds like from it being a technology base being around freelancers. It sounds like one of those businesses where COVID it might you might have had seen some growth during COVID. Is that true? And tell me about your experience in with ease during COVID? Nathan: [13:15] Yeah, it's honestly to the set weird to say this as COVID has a negative impact on society. It's been a blessing, honestly, because what it did was, it somewhat validated what I had been screaming from the mountaintops for so many years, where I'm like, the world is going to go remote. The world is going to go remote. These are the things you need to understand about your employees. And my first ever, like big conference workshop was around how to build a team of self directed workers. And what does that look like? And how do you make what leadership look like in that environment? So for me, we got about 400% increase in our talent pool, and about a 54% growth rate in sales for just COVID. Because not because we found a bunch of new customers is because the customers that weren't listening, decided say, Yeah, he talked about that a couple months ago. Didn't he call that guy? Max: [14:09] Yeah, that's amazing. It's amazing to hear those stories. So looking back at when I when I kind of skimmed through your past and just looking back, it looked like there was a pivotal point, in my view for entrepreneurship. And it was when you're working for uglies, you started as a director mark and then you had an opportunity to get a stake of ownership through helping them turn the business around or reap rebrand it from kind of what I understood. Tell me about that, because I kind of felt like from my perspective, and obviously I want to hear from you. But tell me about that. That journey or that pivot? Was that was that when you've your first taste of entrepreneurship, or was there stuff before that? Nathan: [14:50] I guess the only other taste I have is when I was in like my dance crew, we would have like performances you'd pay for so they don't count. That's like selling lemonade. But I think for realistically, that was my Real first tastes, it was first good and bad taste. That was that negative journey that was talking about. Now I came in as Director of Marketing for a business and quickly became the inovio. Like I'm designing the place, I'm getting us to fire code and turning a grocery store, which was a three and a half million dollar construction project, you know, a multi level bar in front of a dead basketball team called the bucks, which are now like number one. And it's like I visited before that and everyone's like, You're an idiot, there's no way this the guys you're working with, they're going to fail. And why are you putting all your eggs in this basket, because I wasn't even getting paid for it for free in exchange for set sweat equity. But, um, so I just grinded for two years on that project. And then finally, I hired every employee. And then my birthday was August 5. And then the week after that, they literally like deleted my email, and then like, fired me, out of nowhere, like didn't, they really never signed my contract so I can do anything. I was sleeping, I just moved out and got a new condo, I was like, literally, all I have is a couch and TV. Like, alright, well and I just bought an office like I've no income or at 300 bucks for office $500 apartments 15. Like, I got three weeks to figure this out. And that's what I came up with ease. And it worked. But that was the time where I realized that the world isn't all sunshine and rainbows and the capital world is very predatory. So you have to really, really dig deep. And that's where the values came into play. As I said, I will never work with anybody again, it doesn't have the same values as me. So then that's what I that's what I did. I started aligning myself with amazing mentors like Kevin Kawasaki, who first investor in ease and person has been a great part of my life and snowballing into just like Chris ably who has been a mentor and a guide. I mean, God like to have Chris ably to see me at like 22 years old and say, I believe in you. And never actually like I never asked for anything. I mean, this guy's dad founded Boston Scientific and he went on to become Walker County Executive and, and you know, the most active VC in Wisconsin, he's I was just able to sit in a room with these types of guys. So for years, I just kept grinding and trying to grab their attention. And what ended up happening was, I won, took the bar back, because the guys who screwed me over, they ended up failing three months in, and then they literally had a judge contact me to come in and turn it around. And then I basically bought them out of the next few years. So like, after me doing the right thing, I actually ended up taking a bar that screwed me. And then in two years after that, somebody should just sue me Cody ugly for like something for having named uglies. They ended up closing, I end up taking their bar. So it's like, whenever you do the right thing, somehow justice will come and find you. You don't have to go find it yourself. So that's where like, I learned so much about that side of entrepreneurship, because the intellectual stuff will always come right. But the entrepreneurial side is, is is a little more cutthroat and more agile in your mindset. And it's a lot about like values. I think that that I learned during that time. Max: [18:02] Let's dig into I mean, it sounds like you had some amazing, you know, people to look up to and people you could use as resources. But how did you get in touch with those people? How did you get connected originally? And how did you you know, stick stay in front of them? And how were you able to use them as resources? Nathan: [18:19] Well, I was really blessed. When I first came into Waukee. Like, I didn't hang out with people my own age, you know, 19 years old, and all my friends like 25 to 35. And I'm like, No, he's going down to city hall meetings, I'm hearing about what's happening in the city because I could feel the walk. He was onto something. But I didn't understand it. And I don't know why or how so like, I'm looking at everything I possibly can learn about entrepreneurship score, which is like free stuff you can get. And then I'm the only young person in the room. So eventually, they're like, why is there one young guy here, and they were just drawn to me. And people were just like, Hey, I'm gonna keep watching you. I was always giving business cards. I was just really active, like, I didn't want to party. I wanted to like figure this thing out. So that's really how I started meeting people. And then eventually, my work started speaking for itself. So I took a couple retail stores in Milwaukee and a bunch of bars and increase your sales by 50 60% of my name started getting around town that like this guy knows, you know, these parts of business. So I ended up getting hired to take on growth marketing for a startup called chitters at the time, and just Kevin kawaki was a lead investor, that startup didn't work out. But what he seen from me working, he said, Hey, I want to stay in touch. So then when I finally came up my own idea, he said, Hey, I want to support you. Same thing happened with Chris ably. I'm working my butt off to just really bring this dream forward. And I get accepted into one of the top ranked accelerators in the world generator. And all of a sudden he find out you are an owner that I'm like, oh, wow, it's amazing. Like how do you own this and all I got about dial back. Well, when I opened my bar, I didn't know that the Milwaukee Bucks are gonna get bought. So actually find out 2016 some before the public even knows, because they're coming around like what you sell. Like, let me see your plan. No, like not going anywhere. So like our building owner, all of a sudden on board, we're like we're not leaving. So they ended up buying every single thing around us. And eventually, the deal was going to not go through because a lot of city people are fighting it. And they decided to have one bar be the commercial to talk about what would happen if the Milwaukee Bucks left walking went to Vegas or something. And I was in that commercial little nose for Chris ably politician. So I this is like, I want the Bucks here. And also I want to be on TV. So I end up doing it. He ends up to us brings me down to thank me. And they end up talking for three hours, he canceled the rest of his day. And like every since then he took me to every basketball game political meetings flew me to different parts of the country to meet some amazing people of his because he just straight up told me like I believe in you, I love your story and where you're going. And so when I got into generator, he's like, you know what, don't touch any other investors, all of us to half a million. Take this company off, and I'll introduce you to everybody I know. I really help build it because I believe in you. So same thing always happens is I just asked for advice. And then I get investment or support. But just showing up I think really was the key. Max: [21:22] Got it, tell me about Milwaukee. I've only been in Milwaukee. Once I'll tell you I was going to Lambeau for a football game and I couldn't fly in anywhere closer. So I flew into Milwaukee. So I drove by. And it was the most amazing city as I was driving away. But I never went back. And I know you know those are you built some routes there. But I'm just curious as to you know, what, what did you love? And what do you love about Milwaukee Nathan: [21:45] Milwaukee is such a vibrant city with deep culture that we call a small Waukee the ones that live there is because when you're there, you feel like you know everybody, you know, the guy walking down the street, it's selling the same CDs every day, or the guy that you know, the best burger in town, you know who every restaurant owner, like it's just so small and tight. Where the focus is raw food, good times, cultures, festivals, and just good integrity. You know, that's one thing I like about about smaller cities is that they the love is so much stronger. Because when you do something like everybody knows, right, it's like, we got to have each other's back, then Everyone's so proud of our city in our state. So they rally together in such big events. I mean, our bar crawls everything. It's just, it's just a city that people sleep on, you know, rather be winter or summer. You can dance on though and you can boat on the water or go dance on the ice in the winter. Like, it's whatever you want to do. So I think that that's really it, man. It's just a great food and community that's really, really tight knit. Max: [22:46] And what my what brought you to Scottsdale Arizona. Nathan: [22:50] You know, what's funny is the traditional story of a girl. So I was bored, I got my bars to autopilot. And I really handed over operations and ex girlfriend was basically, hey, I'm going to ASU, I'm like I vacation there every year. I love to go check it out. I started checking out even more. Also north, I'm getting a place here. So then all of a sudden I'm on vacation home became my main home. Adele, I basically ended up living here full time as of about two years ago, mainly. And I fall in love man like it is just such a great landscaping and more diverse mindset here. You know, there is a lot of walking on cigarettes in America, a lot of barriers there for African American entrepreneurs, that I don't feel here. You know, it's people are a lot more open to work with new people because everybody's transient, nobody's from here. So you don't have that generational closed mindedness that I feel that the Midwest can have when it comes to like the entrepreneur ecosystem. Max: [23:51] Gotcha. And how old are you now? I'm 31. You know, when I graduated from college, I went to North graduate of Northern Arizona University, I moved right by ASU. And so I felt like I got to go to ASU after graduate college too. So similar, similar, similar background, but I'm going to switch gears a little bit here. Tell me you're just looking back. And this has been an amazing conversation so far, but tell me about kind of a best you know, the best experience in life that you've had so far. I know. It's big question. And and obviously, you know, you've had a incredible childhood and a tough childhood and then then incredible runs since then. But what are your best life experiences look like? And then I'm going to flip that to and I'm going to say hey, what does what's the worst been like? Nathan: [24:38] Man, that's tough. I think the best for me, and I always attach my best experiences to professional things because that's really all I know. But I think mine was getting into my first accelerator and graduating from our first accelerator, and you know, getting a fully funded stepping on premier knife. First time I've never actually walked across the stage before. I've never graduated from anything. So either just don't want to show up. I used to be really shy. So for the first time graduating and stepping on stage and being introduced on stage by like Chris ably and being welcomed by 700, Executive leaders and that like believe my idea, that was like a special moment for me, because my brother and everybody, my family, like they've got me a graduation cap, everybody signed it, because they remembered that like, I've never graduated from anything like this is this first graduation. And everybody made that super special, because they knew how important it was to me, even though I didn't say anything. Like even my dog was there. So that was one of the most memorable moments. Max: [25:40] That's amazing. That's amazing. I don't like my kids to hear from people that didn't have to graduate that are as successful as you. But Congratulations, because then they're like, see, I don't have to go to school that guy's successful. I can do what he did. And I also, at one time, I always felt like I was the youngest person in the room, and then all of a sudden, I wasn't. So have you crossed that gap yet, where all of a sudden, you're looking around and you're not the most the youngest person in the room? Nathan: [26:03] Yeah, I'd say I have crossed a gap. Because I'm being in the startup ecosystem. It's constant, where I'm like, man I did so well in life, then like a 19 year old wage raises $20 million. I'm like, Oh, okay. I'm doing all right. But not that great, because there's just so many brilliant people in the world. Max: [26:18] Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's how I feel. And I was an eo I was the youngest person to join eo when I joined. And now I was in eo for 10 years, and I've been YPO for seven. And now I'm far from the youngest person in my forum, even like, when I look around, I'm like, Oh, my gosh, these people are crushing it. So what Tell me tell me a little bit about generator. I don't know a lot about it. Obviously, you've talked a lot about it. It's been very impactful, and getting to where you're at today. So I'd love to hear more about I think it deserves from, from what you've talked about so far, deserves a little airtime. And I'm curious as to you know, what it is and in what the process is like, because it sounds like it's a pretty successful process. Nathan: [26:58] Yeah, it was created by Joe cargas. And Troy vossler. To law graduates from University of Madison, they wanted to solve the problem of the drain of venture capital that the Midwest is experiencing. So they wanted to find the best and brightest startups from anywhere, and bring them to Wisconsin. And if they're in Wisconsin, investing in them, and each startup gets about 100, hundred and $50,000. In venture capital investment. They pick five startups out of thousands that apply per cohort. So is less than a 1% chance of getting in? No sir survived seven years in a row never got in, I was so honored to get into my first try. And it was just a blessing. And what they do is they take you and have you pitch round, Robin 20 pitches a day for two to three weeks, over and over to the biggest executives that are like in all of the Midwest around the country, just as practice, then they put you in like about another month of refining, and Griffin going after marketing, coordinate customers trying to raise up your metrics. Then after that, to take you on a roadshow across the US and nine different states to pitch 300 investors. By the end startups typically raised between one to $2 million and follow on capital, and then go on to got do bigger and better things. So they've done that started in 2016. I believe in today, they raised about a half a billion dollars and created 10s of thousands of jobs for startups all over the Midwest and acquired about 13 other markets and startups. So they have music accelerator it Motown Warner Brothers, you know, everything, you name it, they have it now, and they just snowball of growth. And Chris ably is backing that as well. So they're all part of what CSA partners. So my company is a portfolio of CSA partners, which is crusade was very fun. And so it's generator. So really awesome for anybody that's building technology, trying to solve technology problems. And then I also were alumni of plug and play tech center. So that's the largest corporate tech innovation hub in the world. It's located in Santa Clara. So your favorite people like Google and Dropbox came from there. We were blessed to get into that. And I've been able to see two worlds this does San Francisco Silicon Valley startup strategy, then the Midwest, more traditional strategy. And that makes me come up with this idea. But I always call it like, we're a zebra startup, where I like to remain profitable while raising capital for growth. Wow, instead of traditional burn capital method. Max: [29:26] Sure, it sounds like just that process that they put you through even if you didn't end up getting, you know, the capital that you would be set up for success just based on that process. They put you through, Nathan: [29:37] yeah, hundred percent, because when you're done you get access to hundreds of corporate partners, right. So for plug and play, I can say, hey, I need to connect with someone at Nike. That's in this role. They'll give me that connection tomorrow. I mean, like that's all I really been building my podcast to because I'm also eases a partner in HR transform in Las Vegas. So really transformative HR conference in Vegas, where we Bring some of the best leaders and chief people officer from fortune 500 together and really talk about not just people operations, but how is tech impacting culture and corporate ecosystems? And how do we put ourselves in front of tech? How do we not make bias tech. So really, really cool innovative ideas around people and technology that that really give us access to these things. And I didn't get that until generator got me into that. So that's where that's where it's so great to be a part of accelerators, they take equity in your business, but they buy it. But it's not about the money, like you get 100 grand for them, and they give you millions of dollars worth of connections, Max: [30:36] how much do you think in that program? Look, going back to generator How much? What percentage of it is based on the business idea or the leader? Do you think just from your experience? Nathan: [30:46] Oh, it's, I would say it's the 8020 Wait, 80%, the leader 20% the idea because ideas don't matter without execution. And also, the entrepreneur that you're looking for, has to have grit, like so many people forget about the grit part. And I think only about the intellectual and metric metric, measurable parts, but that you can't measure every year predict every challenge. So that grit component, I think, is an imperative part of their selection process, as well as your idea of strategic strategy. And then the another thing that's important is Who else is a part of the company in terms of your advisors and investors? Because there is a entrepreneur world's a gatekeeper of society. So you know, you're not going to run a Facebook ad to get the big deal. It's all about who you know, Max: [31:29] Yeah, Absolutely, absolutely. Well, I'm gonna, I'm gonna jump in a little bit. Obviously, you've seen a lot of success, and and you've been fortunate, but you've worked very hard for it. So I'm going to break this down, like on a day to day basis. What do you do on a day to day basis? Like, what habits do you have? Like, how do you break down your day, I want to try to figure out and suss out what has gotten you to where you're at? Because you're super humble. So I'm gonna have to dig a little bit. But when what how do you how did you get that grit? How did you you know, take those ideas, how do you act upon execute upon it on a daily basis, Nathan: [32:00] I've actually done the same thing every day since that day, I said, I want to be better. And I used to start off with the only thing that's changed is the sound in my head. So in the beginning, I would start my day by listening like Eric Thomas and townville use like motivational like YouTube reels, or like two hours long, they're like, I could do this, because I needed to see that it was possible, like, I just chip on my shoulder at something to prove. But then today, it's more of a gratitude approach to my day. So I start my day with gratitude versus this burning desire, or chip or rage, I want to fight. But the methodology is the same, or I don't even have to use an alarm anymore. Every day, my body wakes me up at 530. And immediately I look at I don't want to touch my phone, because they're going to create anxiety is going to do things that I don't want and allow somebody else or something else to take control of my focus or day. So what I do is I make myself extremely selfish in the first hour. So I get up, I do my little routine, I'll get one my car up, then I go for a nice drive. And I'll go to the mountains. And I'll play music and I drive up to like the same houses that I've drove up to, since before I had a nickel. And there's this beautiful view off a Lincoln drive. And I just go over there and I just like look out and I think about what I'm grateful for. and really think about where I came from every day because I don't want to forget that. And it's sometimes an emotional experience. And then after that, I go back and then I set up by like 8am or even 730. I'm going to sit down, I'm going to eat I'm gonna do my typical routine. So I'm big into fitness. So I'm always make my meals in the morning. And then from there, I go into my workday, it's my part until 9am, then the other people can take my day. Now I just organized that because I've read Daniel Pink's when I've realized that the difference between an owl and a lark, and because of my Lark behaviors, I know that my inhibited controls are at their greatest peak right when I wake up in the morning. So that's why I got to be crucial to protecting that. Because my chronotype tells me that I can work diligently on these tedious meticulous tasks until halfway through the day when I start to have what they call a trough. And when that trough happens, that's when I go to the gym. That's what I need to get out, I need to lift some weights, I need to really push myself and get everything fired up again, then my inhibitor controls are going to go back up, but they're never going to reach the level they were when I woke up. So that's when I do my creative tasks, because now I've had outside things going into my head. But in the evening, it's great because that's what I want. I want outside influence to execute on finding new ideas. So I've always followed that methodology. And a lot of it's coming from reading Daniel Pink books. Max: [34:43] Love it, I just realized and that's exactly how I am. But I now have five kids and the only way to get ahead in life with five kids is you got to beat them up in the morning. That will work out first thing in the morning. But if I had my choice, I would design it just like that. That's how I used to do it. And let's speak about working out the guy Scott who works in my office, I think you know him from probably Milwaukee, he's from Minneapolis, but he said, You guys are gonna, you guys are gonna hit it off. I mean, you're both, he said, You're both jacked, he probably not jacked like you because I'm old now. From working out the workouts for me, I always felt like when I was building businesses, when I worked out, I could control that. And so I've always stuck with that. And I still will say that I like the, I can always tell when I stick to my workouts and things going good. It just happens that business kind of follows. But it really helps me keep in control. And I just want to say I just want to ask you, if that's how it is for you. And that's what has kept you working out like you do or where does your inspiration come from? Nathan: [35:44] I feel like we have alot in common because I feel like the exact same thing. When I'm working out my life is so it's like clockwork, man, I'm in my stride. I call it sync, I'm in sync. So it's like but when I'm not, you know, and I feel like I start to get a little lethargic or when I like have to travel a whole lot. And I'm like, man, like I need to get back in my routine. Like, even though it's great traveling for work. It's like if I need my routine, I need my gym time to get that clarity, Alyssa felucca I'm getting buried, but when I'm in my, my daily routine, I can be in the city and just get stuff done that I've never, I can't even put into words how much more effective I am, Max: [36:22] yeah. Oh, no, I can put it in a lot of words. I sometimes I can't wait to get back to my routine when I'm traveling or, you know, out of town. So I know exactly what you're talking about. When did you like thinking back on your journey? When were you called to be a leader like most times, I most of the time, I talked to successful entrepreneurs, and they always tie it back to like, you know, being a being competitive on the basketball team and playing sports. And since you didn't have that, I'm just thinking about when did when we were called to be a leader like when did you know you were going to be a successful leader, and have the confidence in building businesses like you like you are today. Nathan: [36:59] I think the turning point was when I had a successful outcome, because in the beginning, when I first started, I didn't always have successful outcomes. There's times I wanted to achieve something I just couldn't figure it out. But right after that, when I got kind of kicked out of the bar, and I had the successful outcome of building ease and seeing it scale so fast, you know, like, literally went from zero dollars to $20,000. In my first month. I was like, what, like, didn't do that every month. But it was like, wait, what, like, how do I do that again? Now I was like, Alright, the way I did it was by taking all these different people and leaving them towards a mission. Well, how do I do better at that. So instead of focusing on getting better and better and better and better at one craft, I started realizing that every person that I looked up to, they weren't great at one craft, they were great at being the champion, they're great at being the spearhead. They're great at seeing wherever we wanted to go, and being able to pull them behind them and take all the punches along the way to protect everybody else in the back. So that's really what I started looking at, like, I want to be that person, that's essentially the hero of the story. Right, like so that's really what motivated me. Max: [38:11] Do you feel like you found your purpose in life yet? Are you do you feel like you're still pursuing it, Nathan: [38:16] my purpose is, is going to be an ongoing thing, because my main job is I have a mission. And my mission is, I have to do enough in my life to set my next generations up for success. So they don't have to, like deal with any of the stuff that I went through. And I feel like I'm almost there. But if I let off, there's going to be some generation is going to get left behind. So I feel like if I can just push my life as far as I possibly can, that when I do die, my kids can say, Man, like your grandfather did all this for us. And this is why we are here. And like, you know, this, you know, my legacy can kind of leave on. And like, really keep moving forward. So I think that that's my purpose. I mean, it's to be essentially like this champion right now to do what I can of our family for. Max: [38:59] And just like fill in the blank, leaders would become better if they did blank... Nathan: [39:06] listened. Max: [39:10] That doesn't surprise me. Let's talk about like, let's talk about fun, leadership lessons you've learned over the years, I'd like on a little lighter note, like what what have you I mean, you've stubbed your toe, um, things that you've learned that that might help you become who you are today and really improve and continue, you know, becoming a better leader. Nathan: [39:29] Honestly, I, oh, my dad always told me like some alluded to just now as you give two ears, one mouth, so like, Listen twice as much as you speak. Because I'm always listening to so many things. It allows me to step back, think speak less, and innovate more. So like, I have so many like compartmental things out here that are problems that I dream about solving one day. So I think that that's helped me to be leaders because I'm always thinking into the future and always listening to what people's problems are and trying to help them and it's kind of I think comes from my mom and My brother's, like, if you've ever meet my mom or brother, like, we're gonna meet one day, formally, in person, you're gonna see like, we're really nurturing people. And I think that nurturing behavior is something that's been fun. And it's been great. And it's why like, I love creating experiences for my staff, my bars, my friends, I mean, I've got an event company solely just because like, I just love creating experiences. And that's what's been fun about entrepreneurship is like, I would have so many brilliant people, I just love bringing them all together. Like even for Halloween, like I'm written like this extravagant, like mansion of red carpet. And just like saying hey, you guys are all my friends, but you don't know each other. So tonight you're gonna meet? And like, of course, you're gonna have masks on maybe. But, uh, yeah, so like, I just really want to make sure that like people don't forget that, like, the best part of entrepreneurship is not what you're working on the day, but the relationship you're building to create, like what you're gonna do tomorrow. Max: [40:55] I love that. I love that. What are you most curious about now? Nathan: [40:59] Ah, man, like behavioral psychology. Like I'm so so. So in that right now where, like, it's all I want to read about, it's all we talked about, because you have a certified behavioral consultant, our team, and assessment like architects. So right now, we're literally building this technology that is going to be able to predict not only and create a profile of that individual, but to be able to then collect feedback from their peers, as they work on jobs in the field, to then get a more robust profile to predict better matches for jobs in the future. Like if I could like figure out how to get the right data points, to create the roadmap, have a blueprint of our ideal organization, and personality types, really good blueprints for your career path based on these characteristics about you? Like that would be magic to me. So that's something I'm just super addicted to. And no, I didn't get a PhD. But I'm sitting with people that have them. So it's working. Max: [41:55] You know, one thing I want to go back to, just because I've been listening and reading and this has come up countless times, I feel like in the last, I don't know, two, three months, but it's your routine in the morning about not getting to the cell phone, and really owning your own time and then grabbing your cell phone. I think so many people, they're on Instagram and going through their their routine, and you know, before they when they go to bed, and then they first wake up and they get all these texts and emails. So I mean, I just really want to highlight that because if you're not, you know, this is this is this conversation has come up so many times, but just want to kind of point out your discipline in that and in, you know how important that is? Because I do believe it's, I've heard it from a lot of successful people recently. Nathan: [42:38] Yeah, this is about producing content, not just consuming it. You know, like in the morning, I may make a video, but I'm not consuming something. I'm creating something that I can offer value on. So you'll see a lot of my morning wake up routine videos, I'll say something maybe inspiration or all my mind. I think that's okay, but you consuming it leaves you subject to so much, especially during election time. I don't wanna look at my phone at all. Max: [43:01] No kidding. Don't get in text, like I keep getting text like, oh, how do you how did you get my number? Nobody texted me anymore. I'm done with the election or at this point, I already voted. If you if you knew a blank 10 years ago, you would have done what? Nathan: [43:15] Oh, has that means I have to say I wish I would have done something differently. Know what that would be. If I would have known that we will be where we are 10 years ago, I would have told my brother to quit his job sooner. Because I feel like you know, now that he's in the entrepreneurial world, he can really accomplished even so much more, because he was doing great work at Amazon. He reason all those packages come to your door so accurately. For those flex drivers here. He built that here. So he did that with Amazon. But he was like, in that box. I'm like, Man, you got to see the world and travel. So like, I think that, you know, it's been so great having him as my partner, and in this business and, and to be able to work side by side, I have always dreamed of working and building the company, my brother. So I would have definitely done that even sooner. Max: [44:02] So how was that conversation? So I have a brother he's two years older than me. He's actually very successful entrepreneur, but we've never really been true business partners. We found some stuff together. We've lost some money together and some investments, but we've never really been in business. So did you courting him or was it a constant conversation? Was there like some monumental, you know, conversation that started the relationship? or How did it go down? Nathan: [44:24] Yeah, we never really figured out how the heck we were going to work together because he was in supply chain logistics and it and I'm in like this entrepreneurial, but digital transformation consultant kind of role. So I'm doing my thing, no thing and all of a sudden was I did come up the idea of ease. And he was simultaneously building the on demand independent contractor platform for Amazon, primarily focused on obviously flex drivers package delivery, but I'm doing it in a digital space for like we were both solving the same problem but in two different industries. What would you think about join that over here, so we both did. uses a side project. Well, I had my safety net my bar revenue, and he had the safety net of Amazon. It was like, wow, like this thing's taken off. It's working. And I told him, Hey, if I raised this money, and I get in this program, you can have to quit your job literally, like, next week. So I pitched generator in three weeks go by didn't hear anything. And all of a sudden, they called me and said, Hey, you got in and you have four days to be in Madison, Wisconsin. I'm like, oh, shoot, saw you got to quit. He's like, well, what I've been in two weeks knows, like, not today. So he ended up just click it fill up there with me. . Max: [45:39] It's amazing What's one thing that you wish people would stop saying, Nathan: [45:43] man? Um, I would say the word hate. I think that, like, so many people hate so many things today. I wish people instead say I don't understand. Because I think that when people will have that inkling of hatred or animosity towards anything, it's just a lack of understanding of somebody else's perspective, and at least a confrontation. So if you can stop trying to hate or judge or dislike something and start trying to moreso ask, How can I better understand I think the world would be in a lot better place. Max: [46:12] And you should run for public office of some sort. We should blast this out from the hills. So in on that same note, like what's, uh, what's an unpopular opinion that you have, it doesn't have to be around politics obviously just in general. Nathan: [46:26] know. I mean, I, I definitely have an unpopular opinion, that's been kind of my gears as of late. I feel like in current, like, in my life, right, I'm an African American entrepreneur from a really struggling Trump background. And as I work towards getting to the next chapter in raising my family up, it's been really, really hard, right. And one of the things that's bothered me, I think, as of lately, regardless of politics, or side of the party, is that it's now being convenient for people to kind of monetize a minority pain. So now it's cool to get behind it. So I think that as of today, on that long that understanding, train, is a list of focusing on how to monetize and capitalize and commercialize a problem. Let's focus on actually getting stuff done the solver, because I think that that's one thing that the people maybe may not like to have to say, but like, I want to see legitimate accuracy and not monetizable. Advocacy. Max: [47:20] Got it. And another thing we start you you mentioned this earlier in the conversation, what are some positive like things that COVID has served up to you? I mean, obviously, your company has, you know, has picked up some momentum. But what are some other things? I love having this conversation? Because I think there's so many I mean, there's people, there's a lot of people that went through a lot of misery. But I think when they really sat down and thought about it, there's a lot of positive things that came up. But what is some for you? Nathan: [47:46] Yeah, I mean, I think the things for I'm in two worlds, so having bars and startup and pandemic are two of the worst things you can have. And somehow it's worked out. But like, for me, the positive parts of of, of it is we're growing our business, we're able to see through the between the cracks, and we're able to also get a better understanding from people and a lot more empathy of around the problem or solving. So that's been really good. And like really being able to get access to a lot more talent. So many people have left work or different jobs, and now they're exploring the idea of what if I was just self employed, what if I just free as a freelance economy grew by 20% in the pandemic, that's like, that's like point $2 trillion. So you got to think about that. And that's really important as a whole. And then I think the other thing, from my bar side is I got so much more close and connected to my community, the mayor, the health and City Health officials, and really having them rally behind us instead of kind of shutting us down. Waukee did an amazing job of saying, Hey, we're gonna work by you, we're gonna make sure that we can get rules in place that keep you in business. And I think that that brought our community together more than it tore us apart. Max: [48:55] Wow, that's amazing. I was just gonna ask how how it was affected in Milwaukee? How was how's the business going? How's the bar business going? Now? Nathan: [49:03] It's been up and down. I mean, we lost like $2 million or more because we lost the NBA Finals. We had the Democratic National Convention. We had a variety of different major events that it was supposed to be the biggest year in history for Wisconsin in Milwaukee. So like that was like a low blow man like I was like no way and I'm at the entrance of the arena we're all that is like you can't go into the arena without walking through my guard your guard so like you walk up you shoot big uncle box last all that but the thing is, though is sitting walkie does it shut us down for a period of time. They had his create real COVID policies, they brought all the best restaurant leaders together and said, Hey, we're gonna come up with things that makes sense. Have you be our consultants? So they've allowed us to survive and thrive so now we're back to in the green. They are trying to put some restrictions in place in from up top from the governor level. But right now the city is really fighting for us to be able to stay open because about 30% of all right bars city are permanently closed. Max: [50:02] Wow, man, that's crazy. I'm gonna throw some quicker questions at you. And then we'll start wrapping up pretty soon. But I just want to kind of go through kind of a rapid question section. So we know what you like to do when you first wake up. So I want to ask you that. But what what book Have you read more than one time? Nathan: [50:20] Drive? by Daniel Pink and War of Art? Love it Max: [50:25] What? Which person has had the greatest impact on your life? A mom doesn't surprise me. What's something on your bucket list that you're waiting to check off? A skydiving? If you could teach one subject to schoolchildren? What would it be? Nathan: [50:41] Social Studies. Max: [50:43] And obviously you're you're a morning person. That was one of my questions. Yeah. Max: [50:48] All right. And do you think leadership can be taught? Absolutely. Nathan: [50:51] Absolutely. Well, everyone has an opportunity to be a leader if you know which characteristics to tap into. Max: [50:56] If you could change one thing about the world now what would it be? Nathan: [51:00] I'm a big make it more peaceful making people listen to each other more, because we're all trying to get to the same goal, but no one's hearing it. Max: [51:09] Now, it's amazing. I'm gonna start wrapping up. But I think about what a great breakdancer you are and how that comes in handy. Like he just did a wedding and somebody's like, hey, do you want to dance? And you know, he's just like, yeah, sure you break it out. So I just kind of laughing to myself of like, being able to be an incredible dancer would be a handy tool to have in your tool belt for sure. Nathan: [51:29] Yeah, it's been so awesome. One of the things that was really transformative is one time I was really young, not really, I guess I felt like 20 common, who's like one of my favorite artists was rapping on stage. And I looked at all my voices. Like, we have to do this right now. They're like, what are they we don't do this right now. No one's ever gonna notice this. We rushed the stage while he was dancing or singing rapping on stage. security's like trying to pull us off. And we're like back flipping and dance all over. And then eventually, as yankin is off stage, he tells him to bring us back on. And that was like one of those moments where I was like, I knew it, if we just got up there broke, and then he actually broke dance with us. Max: [52:07] Oh, man, that's amazing. That's amazing. One other thing I do want to cover with you gotta love that. from a standpoint of managing your time, I'm just trying to think back through our conversation, like make sure I'm able to pull out things that can help listeners really be more successful in. So but managing your time. So I think, you know, I think when you get married, you have kids things change a little bit, I can attest to that. But so you have a battle with manage your time, how do you effectively manage your time? And is it getting easier or getting worse, Nathan: [52:40] it's getting easier. Every single day, like the past in 2016. Sounds crazy about 26 a guy, it'll all run I need to fight, I want to do something different in my life. So I finally got my bar open. And I found the amazing GM Lawrence. And he took this pace under his wing. And I was like, You know what, like, you've been here since I started. Like, he knows it plays back and forth, I literally had to do nothing anymore. And still to this day, he's still there. And I am so thankful for him. Because now the team, they come up their own marketing ideas, their own events, and everything. And I have amazing partner. So like my partner and their operations, I'm the bright ideas. And now I get to come down and see be the owner where it's just building its own thing now. And that place will be there forever. So that's gotten easier. And then with ease, same thing, like I just every business I start, I empower build the people up, my goal is to walk to the next one within two to three years of starting it. Either a solid exit or IPO. I'm the type of guy that I'm not trying to build 1000 person 2000 person company and be a public face and CEO. Even if ideas that great, I will literally build infrastructure and be a part of the core ecosystem of the business. But hand off those tedious tasks, somebody that's going to be better at them. Because my thought process when you look at my psychometrics, I'm not designed for a job. I'm designed to ideate innovate create. So that's why it's become easy for me because I just refused to do the things I'm not good at. Love it. Max: [54:13] I love it. Well, if I can part on one note, refuse to do the things that you're not good at is one of them. So that was an amazing conversation. This was the first time we've met but I look forward to spending time with you outside of this conversation for sure. Thank you so much for sharing everything you did. You know to learn more about Nathan you can also go check out his website, which I believe is I Ts ease calm, right? Nathan: [54:36] Yep, I Ts s e.com. Max: [54:39] And he also has a podcast it's called life with ease. Is that right? Nathan: [54:43] Yes. Hashtag life with ease all one word, and then you'll be able to see it'll pop up everywhere. Max: [54:48] Awesome. All right, you're listening to behind the resume podcast brought to you by why scouts we find purpose aligned and performance proven leaders. For more information about why scouts please find us at why scouts.com Thanks. For listening to behind the resume with Max Hanson Max: [55:06] thanks for listening to the behind the resume podcast with why scouts max Hansen. Join us next time as we continue to have intimate conversations with leaders to learn their stories, life hacks, life experiences and other interesting practices or learning experiences that have made them who they are today. You can learn more about your host max Hansen and why scouts at why scouts comm Join us next time as we go behind the resume with why scouts max Hansen on demand 24 seven right here at Star worldwide networks.com or wherever you get your favorite podcasts.

Founder & Principal of boutique HR consulting firm Daimler Partners, Melissa Daimler has always said that if you do it right, work is the best learning lab you could possibly want. She’s certainly done her best to make that maxim work for her: we’re talking about a career that started with Psychology at college to setting up Adobe’s entire L&D practice to experiencing Twitter grow from 400 to 4000 staff in her four years there. With WeWork also on her curriculum vitae, you know you’re dealing with a major player—so how refreshing to find out in person Melissa is down to Earth, great fun, whip-smart but still very much looking to keep learning. She is a perfect interview for this next episode in our on-going COVID-19 mini-Season ‘From What-If To What Now?’ where we’re exploring what the massive change rippling through the worlds of Work and Learning looks like at ground level. Oh, and last but absolutely not least: our episode is sponsored by by the great guys over at genuinely innovative SMS-based learning innovators Arist (www.arist.co), who’re working 24x7 helping brands and non-profits alike create and launch amazing text message courses in minutes, not days. So sit back or get the New Balance on with us for an hour as we review her singular professional journey, talk about how COVID may or may not be permanently changing the work culture of her adopted home, San Francisco/Silicon Valley, see what systems thinking can offer the L&D practitioner, as well as: why a certain dot com bubble helped her choose her forever home… which she still loves despite having to keep checking the air quality index; what it’s like to work at a place that got a tad too excited about a big market cap; what she thinks ‘culture’ really is; how are all good L&D practitioners know everything’s interconnected already; how the Pandemic is showing the best leaders asking such good questions of themselves, their execs but most importantly, their teams; why we must work out a way to get back the office experience (and that isn’t just the amazing donuts at Twitter); where her personal sense of purpose and inspiration comes from; and much more.

“This is a unique opportunity. We have a choice here. We can either sit back and wait for this whole thing to blow over. Or we can go on the offensive.  We can have the mindset that there are companies that are going to be hiring, despite the pandemic, and we're going to find them.” Meet George Atuahene, Founder and Managing Director of the Kofi Group.  George's parents wanted him to study medicine. Instead, he dropped out of college to pursue a career in sales, eventually becoming a recruiter instead of a doctor. Were they disappointed when he broke the news? “Their first reaction was not positive… but after they saw that I was very determined to go a certain way they decided to throw their support behind me and they're pretty happy with what I've done so far.” What has George accomplished so far? In 2018, he billed $500,000 in perm fees and decided to shift his focus towards building recruitment teams around the country. He currently leads two recruitment teams in San Francisco/Silicon Valley and New York City, with plans to scale Kofi Group to 50+ recruiters by EOY 2025. During this pandemic where the vast majority of recruitment firms are in difficulty, George's business is bucking the trend.  In this episode, George shares the mindset and practical steps he took to maintain his firm's revenue at pre-COVID levels and continue winning new business. Episode Outline and Highlights [4:54] George talks about competing in Taekwondo and its parallel with recruiting. [9:15] Why George dropped out of college to pursue a career in sales. [19:26] Two critical success factors when starting a recruitment firm.  [26:00] George explains his chosen niche, it's unique advantages and challenges. [32:50] Solo practitioner vs building your team - What are the factors you should consider? [36:07] The three biggest lessons George learned while building his team [45:39] Two significant factors that have helped Kofi Group to maintain their billings during the pandemic. [56:46] Best practices in managing content marketing. Don't Start a Recruitment Business Unless You're Willing to Work 10x Harder When George started his recruitment firm, the first couple of years were tough.  A lot of people start their recruiting firm with the goal of having more freedom.  But George believes that starting your own business requires you to work ten times harder compared to being an employee. In his words, “If someone wants to start their recruitment firm and they expect to have freedom in the first couple of years, I tell them not to do it.” “I would get up, first thing in the morning, get ready for about 10 to 15 minutes, get to work, and then work until I can't work anymore… As long as it took to get the results I wanted to get. I did nothing but work, for the first couple of years. I barely went out. You would have thought I was quarantined.” What drove him to work so hard? “My ultimate goal is freedom and having an impact on the recruitment industry. And the most gratifying thing for me is when I am able to bring someone on my team, coach them, and mentor them and see them blossom. And I see them able to enjoy a lot more freedom and autonomy… so that's a big driver for me.” Having an Internal Locus of Control During this Pandemic   During this crazy pandemic, the vast majority of recruiters are finding the market extremely tough. Yet Kofi Group was able to maintain their billings and even brought on new business. George believes that two things are contributing to their resilience.   George says, “We've been very fortunate … the niche we're focused on, the demand is constantly going up… it's somewhat recession-proof.” In addition, George talks about a daily focus on business development and their unique message. In addition, George points to two significant factors.  One is his mindset, having an internal locus of control and believing that although the pandemic brought about a lot of challenges, there is always a silver lining and unique opportunities for people that take advantage of them. Secondly, they took really practical steps in order to keep in touch with their market. This includes working together as a team and going on the offensive. George Atuahene Bio and Contact Info George Atuahene is the Founder and Managing Director of Kofi Group, an executive search firm that helps early-stage startups hire highly sought-after software engineering and machine learning talent.  Kofi Group's clients include: Series-A open-source framework that is an industry-standard for software engineers Stealth mode artificial intelligence startups A computer vision R&D startup Robotics and RPA software companies Series-B FinTech that is democratizing financial services Cloud security startups Autonomous driving startups Before founding Kofi Group in early 2017, George started his career in B2C/B2B wireless sales, built a six-figure affiliate marketing business that drove online traffic for major online retailers and worked for 2 national recruitment firms along with a boutique agency. George has placed dozens of professionals, ranging from mid-level software engineers to a VP of Data Science. He has bootstrapped Kofi Group from the very beginning, reinvesting profits to grow the company. In 2018, he billed $500,000 in perm fees and decided to shift his focus towards building recruitment teams around the country. He currently leads 2 recruitment teams in San Francisco/Silicon Valley and New York City, with plans to scale Kofi Group to 50+ recruiters by EOY 2025. When he's not growing his firm, George loves spending time with his wife and family, competing in Taekwondo tournaments, and reading books about leadership, investing, and philosophy.  George Atuahene on LinkedIn Kofi Group Website link Kofi Group on LinkedIn Kofi Group Facebook page Kofi Group on Twitter @kofigrp Kofi Group on Instagram People and Resources Mentioned Retained Recruiters Academy - How to Leverage Content Marketing by Mark Whitby video link  Justin Satterfield on LinkedIn Good to Great: Why Some Companies Make the Leap and Others Don't by Jim Collins Never Split the Difference: Negotiating As If Your Life Depended On It by Chris Voss 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos by Jordan Peterson Atomic Habits: An Easy & Proven Way to Build Good Habits & Break Bad Ones by James Clear Awaken the Giant Within by Tony Robbins The Master-Key to Riches by Napoleon Hill Principles: Life and Work by Ray Dalio Connect with Mark Whitby Get your FREE 30-minute strategy call: www.recruitmentcoach.com/strategy-session/ Mark on LinkedIn Mark on Twitter: @MarkWhitby Mark on Facebook Mark on Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach Related Podcasts You Might Enjoy TRR #5 How Justin Satterfield Hit $1M Within 2 Years of Starting A Recruitment Agency Subscribe to The Resilient Recruiter  

Laura Márquez vive y trabaja en San Francisco Silicon Valley y miles de trabajadores de la industria de tecnología están en cuarentena desde marzo del 2020 y trabajando remoto “de facto”. Empresas como Twitter, Square y ahora Facebook han formalizado sus intenciones de crear opciones de trabajo remoto permanente para sus empleados. Esto abre un debate interesante, sin una vacuna hasta probablemente el Q4 de 2021 y teniendo que trabajar desde casa, sin acceso a los campuses de las empresas con comida, gimnasio, cuartos para la siesta y demás: ¿vale la pena vivir en Silicon Valley? Con el trabajo remoto permanente, ¿Ocurrirá un éxodo de profesionales fuera de California ? ¿Bajara el valor de las casas o renta en San Francisco? ¿Cambiaria esta migración la geografía política del país? ¿Vamos a conseguirnos a ingenieros de Silicon Valley comprando casas y gentrificando ciudades a un nivel global? Estas son algunas de las preguntas que conversamos con Laura Marquez, amiga de la casa que ya había venido a Conexiones en el episodio #43: https://conexiones.io/043-de-fiscal-a... Puedes seguir a Laura en todas sus redes sociales @carambachica Si quieres apoyar a Conexiones Podcast y acceder a contenido exclusivo únete a nuestro Patreon en https://patreon.com/conexionespodcast También puedes unirte a mi newsletter, Connecting The Dots donde hablo de desarrollo profesional, productividad y tecnología https://hugocastellanos.substack.com/

Laura Márquez vive y trabaja en San Francisco Silicon Valley y miles de trabajadores de la industria de tecnología están en cuarentena desde marzo del 2020 y trabajando remoto “de facto”. Empresas como Twitter, Square y ahora Facebook han formalizado sus intenciones de crear opciones de trabajo remoto permanente para sus empleados. Esto abre un debate interesante, sin una vacuna hasta probablemente el Q4 de 2021 y teniendo que trabajar desde casa, sin acceso a los campuses de las empresas con comida, gimnasio, cuartos para la siesta y demás: ¿vale la pena vivir en Silicon Valley? Con el trabajo remoto permanente, ¿Ocurrirá un éxodo de profesionales fuera de California ? ¿Bajara el valor de las casas o renta en San Francisco? ¿Cambiaria esta migración la geografía política del país? ¿Vamos a conseguirnos a ingenieros de Silicon Valley comprando casas y gentrificando ciudades a un nivel global? Estas son algunas de las preguntas que conversamos con Laura Marquez, amiga de la casa que ya había venido a Conexiones en el episodio #43: https://conexiones.io/043-de-fiscal-a... Puedes seguir a Laura en todas sus redes sociales @carambachica Si quieres apoyar a Conexiones Podcast y acceder a contenido exclusivo únete a nuestro Patreon en https://patreon.com/conexionespodcast También puedes unirte a mi newsletter, Connecting The Dots donde hablo de desarrollo profesional, productividad y tecnología https://hugocastellanos.substack.com/

Laura Márquez vive y trabaja en San Francisco Silicon Valley y miles de trabajadores de la industria de tecnología están en cuarentena desde marzo del 2020 y trabajando remoto “de facto”. Empresas como Twitter,

Dr. Molly Maloof’s goal is to maximize human potential by dramatically extending human healthspan through medical technology, scientific wellness, and educational media. Her fascination with innovation has transformed her private medical practice, which is focused on providing health optimization and personalized medicine to San Francisco & Silicon Valley investors, executives, and entrepreneurs. Her iterative programs take the quantified self to the extreme through comprehensive testing of clinical chemistry, metabolomics, microbiome, biometrics, and genomic markers. Because dietary risks are responsible for the majority of lifestyle related illness she has become passionate about promoting novel solutions for personalizing nutrition.    Connect with Dr. Molly @drmolly.com Connect with Jason @jasonphillipsisnutrition

On this week's Silicon Valley Insider, host Keith Koo's special guest is Dion Lim an Emmy award-winning news anchor at ABC7 | KGO TV in San Francisco / Silicon Valley who is the author of her new book "Make Your Moment : The Savvy Woman's Communication Playbook". Dion discusses with Keith her career journey from Massachusetts, Kansas City, Charlotte, Tampa Bay to the San Francisco Bay Area and how those experiences led her to write her playbook on communication. In "Make Your Moment", Dion guides us through what she has learned on the career battlefield and her lessons can be used by any working woman today. (Keith reflects that many of the stories and points made in the book resonates with any working person including men). Dion's book can be found here: https://www.amazon.com/Make-Your-Moment-Communication-Playbook/dp/1260455467 On this week's Cyber-tip, Keith talks about a new vulnerability in virtually all wifi routers and what you need to do to keep safe. Tune in to hear more! www.svin.biz Listen Saturdays 10-11am 860 KTRB Silicon Valley | San Francisco Listen and subscribe to the "Silicon Valley Insider" Podcast ahead of time to make sure you don't miss this show. Download the podcast at 11:00am on Saturdays. For questions or comments, email: info@svin.biz Be sure to subscribe and listen to the podcast. You can also listen to past podcasts here: Castbox: https://castbox.fm/channel/The-Silicon-Valley-Insider-Show-with-Keith-Koo-id1100209?country=us iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-silicon-valley-insider-show/id1282637717?mt=2 Android, Spotify (and iTunes): https://omny.fm/shows/the-silicon-valley-insider-show Email us at info@svin.biz or find us here: www.svin.biz Artificial Intelligence, AI, Blockchain, Big Data, Data Analytics, Cyberrisk, Information security, VC, Venture Capital, Angel Investments, Fundraising, Capital Raising, Investor, Human Rights, Technology for Good, UN SDGs, Emerging Technology, #Patreon

Often regarded with pity or disdain, women who don’t mother are made to feel like failures. But what possibilities are opened by a child-free life? Brazen in their vulnerability, these authors break the silence on not mothering, addressing the assumptions, stigmas and rewards. With the support of the Consulate General of Canada, San Francisco/Silicon Valley; Culture Ireland; and Women Lit members.

Award-winning Canadian writers converge on one stage to recount their adventures in literary risk-taking and rule-breaking. Hear from Esi Edugyan (“Washington Black”), Sheila Heti (“Motherhood”) and André Alexis (“Days By Moonlight”). With the support of the Consulate General of Canada, San Francisco/Silicon Valley.

Today we're in for a real treat, Mason chats to Dr Molly Maloof. Dr. Molly is a physician, technologist and entrepreneur. Dr Molly aims to cultivate a global wellness consciousness and promote a preventive, predictive, participatory and personalised field of medicine. One that creates health, increases quality of life, and enhances human resilience. Dr Molly is a passionate speaker and an abundant source of information in her area's of expertise. Tune in for the download.  Molly and Mason discuss: The medicinal use of psychedelics. Spirituality and meditation. Grounded "enlightenment". Clinical medicine. The importance of "Jing" herbs and "adaptogens" in our modern society. Holistic entrepreneurship and life satisfaction. The practices essential for bone health. Food preparation and sourcing. Sovereign health.   Who is Dr. Molly Maloof? Dr. Molly Maloof’s goal is to maximise human potential by dramatically extending human health span through medical technology, scientific wellness, and educational media. Her fascination with innovation has transformed her private medical practice, which is focused on providing health optimisation and personalised medicine to San Francisco & Silicon Valley investors, executives, and entrepreneurs. Molly's iterative programs take the quantified self to the extreme through comprehensive testing of clinical chemistry, metabolomics, microbiome, biometrics, and genomic markers.    Resources:  Molly's Website Molly's Facebook Molly's Instagram Molly's Linkedin Molly's Twitter   Q: How Can I Support The SuperFeast Podcast? A: Tell all your friends and family and share online! We’d also love it if you could subscribe and review this podcast on iTunes. Or  check us out on Stitcher :)! Plus  we're on Spotify! We got you covered on all bases ;P   Check Out The Transcript Here: Mason:  All right everybody, joined by Molly Maloof, my new mate, who I met in Arizona earlier this year. Thanks for coming on the pod. Molly:  Thank you for inviting me. Mason:  Absolute pleasure. I really, really enjoyed your talk. There were a lot of interesting talks at that weekend event at Revitalize. I think the trippiest and weirdest, that left me just like, "Huh," and I got it in a good way from a couple of them. But the Whole Foods CEO, founder guy. Molly:  I loved his talk. Mason:  Yeah, that was a very interesting one. He's a, yeah, interesting guy. I kind of was a little put off by his, like how when Whole Foods saw Amazon it was love at first sight and they were swept off their feet. I was like, "What?" Molly:  And the funniest thing about the technology and the tech scene is just how many parallels there are to modern dating. And the best VC firms really court that 1% of startups that they really, really care about, but they ignore everyone else. There's literally so many parallels to how you date and how companies are founded and formed. It's like everything in life's relationships at the end of the day, you know? Mason:  I'm just trying to get my head around that, because I just didn't grow up in that world. Even when I was doing my international business degree, I just didn't listen and studied herbalism. I'm not... SuperFeast ... I'm just never, SuperFeast just isn't going to date anyone. It might have relationships. I might have a couple of little flings here and there, but because I'm not in that world it was so interesting. Mason:  Anyway, your talk was really cool. You guys, like you were on that panel talking about psychedelics. Molly:  Oh man. I mean I'm fully out of the psychedelic closet by now, and what's cool is that I was just at Burning Man and I saw some amazing, amazing talks by founders of MAPS. Rick Doblin spoke about being after this movement for 40 years. He has been working for 40 years to get psychedelics approved, and we are really close. Well, you know, mushrooms have been decriminalized in Oakland, and people don't know this, but they're selling mushroom chocolates in Oakland. Dispensaries are selling mushrooms. I think that's actually positive as long as people are safe with their dosing. But we're going to see I think the same kind of movement around the medicalization of these, as well as the- Mason:  Recreational. Molly:  Recreational use of these happening in America. I think both are needed and both are valuable experiences, but the important thing is safety. That's one thing I really wanted to get across on stage at the conference, was whether or not these are legal or not legal right now, whether or not you use them in ceremony or recreationally. Whether or not they are used for medicinal purposes or spiritual purposes, the whole goal of this is that no one gets hurt. Molly:  They can be dangerous drugs. If you're not prepared, if you're not in the right situation, right environment, right headspace, right part of your life span, they can be really damaging. So I was really happy that there was a place to talk about them with some pretty forward thinking people and some people who've also suffered from addiction. So it was important to have the balanced perspective, but at the end of the day I think the end conclusion was that there's definitely a place for these in wellness. Mason:  Where are you using them? Like is it clinical, is it just waving the flag? I feel like there's a because, because recreational came up, and I like your take. I think a lot of people keep it very clinical when they have these conversations, and of course it's not because we need to be having many types of conversations. We don't want them institutionalized as well, but almost you can start looking at the perceived social value and then the need somewhat of a structure. I mean you have the complete kind of somewhat like, say, left view that it's just open doors and it's just like whatever. Everyone goes nuts. Then there's that right view, which is a little bit more of that like, "Create a full solid structure and get the pharmaceuticals involved." Mason:  Then there's that middle ground, and a lot of the time, especially if you're going to be in a clinical setting, I can see how some things might be standardized and it can become under those regulatory bodies. But then almost it's the outside of that, when you go more recreational, it's like having the maturity as a society to create that somewhat of structure, for lack of a better word, rules that keeps everyone healthy and keeps everyone understanding it and not just separating it within society. So yeah, where are you falling with it? Why are you talking about it? Molly:  I mean I talk about it because I use them for spiritual purposes. I use them for social purposes, and I use them for medicinal purposes. I do refer people to healers who administer them ceremoniously in an environment of safety and security and careful dosing. It's not legal for me to currently administer them myself as a doctor, so I just make referrals to people. I just connect people and say, "Hey. This person I trust. You can trust them. They're good people. They're not going to harm you in any way." But it sucks, because they aren't legal yet I can't fully prescribe them, but I have prescribed ketamine for medicinal purposes. You can do that in America legally right now. They are psychedelic. It is the only legal psychedelic right now. Mason:  Is the research of ketamine around PTSD mostly, or what's going- Molly:  Actually it's depression and suicidality, which are frankly killing a lot of people right now. America is suffering from a lot of despair deaths is what they're calling them, which is deaths due to homicide, suicide, or self harm. That could be addiction or other means. So for me, I see a lot of that in Silicon Valley. There's a lot of misery, and it sucks because it's a place of so much abundance. You're like, "Geez, if this is the future, we're not heading into a good direction right now." But also a lot of panic. Molly:  People are definitely panicking in a lot of ways in America, for good reason. I mean there's like a mass shooting every week. A lot of people don't feel safe going into public spaces. A lot of people don't feel safe walking around San Francisco. A lot of people suffer from anxiety disorders, so people are turning to these medicines for panic and to feel ... For the tryptamine, they want to feel held and loved. For the ketamine, they want to feel like they can disassociate from reality because it's too much for them to handle at the moment. Molly:  So that's not necessarily a good thing. I mean it's not necessarily a good thing that we have an environment and society that's suffering so badly that people have to disassociate from it in order to maintain their sanity. But it's definitely a better option than taking opioids and dying from an overdose, which are killing a ton of people. Purdue Pharma basically said that they were going to be paying out something around the number of like $11 billion to 2,000 people for this class action lawsuit against them for especially misleading people about the addictive nature of Oxycontin and other Purdue Pharma opioids. Molly:  So shit's hitting the fan in America, and things are not good. So what I'm really interested in and fascinated by, and I just did a tour of New York, LA, and San Francisco, I live here, is just the number of people that are coming together in community and experiencing psychedelics in a space of ceremony. Which is really the traditional format of psychedelic use, in most indigenous communities and societies, is using them in the context of connecting with community. Frankly I think that's really a healthy and safe way, as long as the Shaman that's administering these knows what they're doing. Molly:  It could be transformative, but it could be problematic if people don't have a resource for integration or if they take the wrong dose in this environment. Which I recently saw happen, and I know a person who experienced a psychotic breakdown. So I think it's always important when we talk about these medicines to recognize the benefits and the risks, because they definitely go both ways. At the same time, I would say that largely what I'm seeing is 99% of people who are using these that I know personally, are using them in positive and healthy, fruitful ways. About 1% of times you're seeing casualties and you're seeing damage and you're seeing problems. Molly:  So I think they're largely carefully dosed and administered very safe, but if they're not, they can be really damaging. So it's important to mention that 1%, because that's what everyone sees in the news. But I just read a great article in Vice about how if everybody were to take psychedelics and think about the environment, we wouldn't be in this huge problem we're in right now, which is people not thinking about the effects of their actions on the environment. What's happening in Brazil is a great example of a lack of awakening in a large population of people. Mason:  Yeah. I think it's really important to remember just how low impact and low risk these psychedelics are, but that's in comparison to the gnarliness of the pharmaceutical industry of course. I think that's pretty evident at this point. It's not paranoid. I mean there was, just released in a journal was a study just on Paracetamol here in Australia for the 10 years, I think ending in like 2017. I'll have to look it up and see if I can find it, but I don't know exactly what the numbers were, but it was in that ballpark of like 400% up in heavy liver damage and deaths massively on the rise, and that was studying hospital administered levels. So that's happening here in Australia. Mason:  I think that kind of stuff hitting the news a little bit more is great, but then if we start looking at upgrading towards the use of psychedelics in many fabrics of society, I think the duty of care, I like that you mentioned that 1% because the medicine is in the dose and the medicine is in the efficacy, in the style of dosing. Whether it's going to be in a hospital setting hopefully eventually, but then outside when we're looking to psychologically center ourselves, most of the time people in a proper dosage and a proper environment are going to be able to find that. But I quite regularly ... It's been awhile since I've been in that world, since I've been in the Amazon experiencing [inaudible 00:10:48] up in the hills of the Andes and so on, so forth. Mason:  I've heavily integrated them, but I just think ... I don't know whether I've just got that, people have the memory of me doing that, but I still quite regularly get people writing to me who have gone way too far down the rabbit hole and essentially end themselves disassociating from reality. Which I definitely felt, I wasn't excessive, but I definitely felt myself having a disassociation from reality and just essentially flying with the condor most of the time. Molly:  Right, but you can see the same thing in meditation and- Mason:  Oh, for sure. Molly:  Any type of spiritual pursuit- Mason:  Dude, when you mentioned it on stage, I don't know if you heard, I was the one that cheered. [crosstalk 00:11:36] Molly:  Oh my God, I [inaudible 00:11:37] that was you. Mason:  We know people that have got into vipassana... Molly:  I'm in this whole place right now where I'm really on this spiritual path and I'm experiencing some really profound spiritual experiences, but I'm also aware that I need to keep one foot in reality. I've got a life to live, I've got patients to cover. I've got a book to write. I've got goals to achieve. So I think the real dance of this modern sort of enlightenment movement is figuring out how to be in the state of enlightenment and an effective person in real life. I'm like, "That's my goal," is I'm having these breakthroughs and I'm also getting back into my email and I'm getting back into my life. I have all this work to do, and it's like I want the work that I do in my spiritual life to benefit my actual life, and I want them to be integrated. Molly:  This word integration keeps coming up a lot, and I think it's this concept of psychological and spiritual balance, with what's happening internally and what's happening externally. That's the way that I would describe it, and I just made that up on the spot. But there's definitely a desire for spiritual pursuits in a world that's feeling really uncertain. Frankly, everyone's turning to astrology apps because they're all so confused about religion and who to trust and which institutions to talk to and what- Mason:  Yeah. What should I do with my life, there's an app for that. Molly:  Yeah. Exactly. And should we even reproduce in a world that doesn't seem like it's going to be around in 20 to 50 years. There's a lot of real serious scary questions happening right now in reality, and I think there's a desire for ... There's kind of two types of people. There's people who are going to seek answers, and there's people who are going to be like, "Whatever. I don't know if I'm ever going to find them. I'm just going to try to live my life as it is." Whatever way is fine for you to live. Molly:  I dated a guy who was the latter, and I'm more of the former. I think former's first and latter's second, right? Mason:  Yeah. I mean that's something interesting as well because I'm really, again, I don't know why I found myself doing that 1% as you are, trying to do that duty of care without trying to come across as a stickler. So I love the ability to seek, but then this is where I think people enter into that spiritual world, and I'm going to be very general here, I do love both of these realms where you're seeking spiritual growth and possibly heading into that psychedelic space. Again, the medicine is in the dose. How much seeking you're doing verse how much are you ... Even outside of hardcore, gnarly, long term mindfulness meditation camps, outside psychedelic world, how much are you doing your chop wood, carry water every day. Mason:  This has been something I kind of have struggled with is having my practice somewhat daily, that solid space where I'm consistently learning to come back to my center. What is my center, coming back to a state where I can possibly be parasympathetic when I'm activated, yet my muscles are calm. This is something I'm personally working on at the moment with my friend who mentors me in movement and everything that comes with it, and really expanding that capacity to not be permeated by all these external opinions and really find a place that's tangible and palpable you can sink your teeth into making those decisions. Mason:  Will I have another child, you know, and feel comfortable with those decisions. Because that incessive seeking, you know going to the app, going to astrology, what everyone is doing is just trying to scrape off the top without going right down to the source. Where is this, what the fuck is this philosophy? What does it mean? Molly:  Right, yeah. Right. They've got to take a lot more work to do that. Mason:  A lot of work, and it's not Instagram-able a lot of the time if you're going that deep, and there lies the problem. Molly:  I mean I'm going on a meditation retreat in two weeks, and I'm basically going to meditate for five hours a day. I'm not going to have a phone or a journal, and I'm going to have to deal with all of the desires that I have to write and to think and to produce and to integrate and to analyze, and all the things that drive me on a daily basis. I have to confront those and basically be like, "Molly, you just can't. You're just going to have to sit here. This is what you're supposed to do. This is a challenge, and it's going to be probably one of the hardest challenges." Molly:  I'm not fully prepared for it, but I'm also the kind of person who just likes to do things that she's not fully prepared for, see what happens. Mason:  Yes. Oh I love it. I'm like, "Can't wait to hear about it." Before we- Molly:  Hopefully I don't lose my mind, but I'm pretty sure I won't have one. Mason:  Maybe lose it just for a little bit. That's okay. Molly:  Usually what happens is I end up in a blissed out state and I'm just like ... Everyone's struggling and I'm like, "Ah." But I think this might be harder. I think this might be really hard, so we'll see. Mason:  I do love it. I like the integrated approach, to use the I word. Again, I'll just quickly leave, because since we talked about that psychedelic community, I absolutely love, don't get me wrong, I feel ... I don't know, I can speak for myself anyway when I was deep in it. There is somewhat maybe a subtle that, you know, we found the superior healing method. So whatever you seek, we will seek it in this world with the medicines that we drink. The plants will heal us. I guess you can sometimes maybe see a bit of disdain for any other healing modality kind of come up, that it might be supplementary but it won't be the biggest thing. Mason:  I think something as simple as therapy can be ... In meditative work, yogic work where you start really un-rustling everything, your plant medicine work, and if it really comes up, this work where I think it's going to take time to integrate that. I think for a lot of people, I think finding a nice level therapist or some other modalities to really bring you back off that arm of development that is the beautiful teachings of the plants and come back to your center. Molly:  Yeah. Mason:  Anyway, just wanted to kind of touch on that because I feel ... Yeah, I've had increasingly recently a lot of people are honestly on a soul retrieval journey after going down the rabbit hole. Molly:  Yeah. Mason:  So this kind of is all coming into a wider breadth of work that you do. Molly:  Sure, yeah. Mason:  You're an MD. I was talking to you about how your style of work ... Well, you mentioned it's really old school. Molly:  Yeah. Mason:  It's an old school kind of doctor. So you have a select amount of patients. You have a few patients as well you said who you've taken on special cases. Molly:  Yeah. I mean I basically have two types of patients. I have the personalized medical research on one end. These are like the weird cases that I just get paid to figure them out and figure out why they're sick and why they haven't been fixed yet by the healthcare system. Usually it's complex chronic disease, so it's got its roots usually in a severe health breakdown that was proceeded by usually some psychological stress that really damaged their immune system. Molly:  Usually when someone's under a significant amount of stress and physical threat or psychological threat, if it gets to a certain level, your mitochondria get damaged to a point where they can't defend you anymore. So your immune system is downstream over your mitochondrial function. It essentially just throws off your energy production systems. It throws off your immunity, and infections get in. Then they can further damage your body. Molly:  So usually it's always this horrible stress, massive infection, and then they were never the same after. So now you have to sort of reverse engineer their bodies to get back into a state of balance and health. It's a lot of work, but it's like the most satisfying work to do, because you're dealing with somebody who may have been sick for years. You're like, "Okay. I'm going to fix this." Or somebody who's got something that no one's figured out. You're like, "All right, we're going to figure this out together and we're going to get you better." Molly:  So I love those cases, but then I also have cases of people who ... Frankly, everyone in America wants more energy, okay? So I figured ... Funnily enough I was trying to study health over the last 10 years, like what is health, how do you define it, how do you measure it. In the process of studying health, I discovered that health is about capacity, and capacity is about capacitives. Capacitives is literally making and storing a charge in your cellular membranes, in your mitochondria, that is an electrochemical gradient generated by the food you eat and the way that you live your life. Molly:  It literally charges your cells with energy. That capacity enables you to do work, to run your genetic functions, to express your genes, to produce proteins, to do anything else that your body needs to do, like make hormones. So I've kind of just been going back and back and back and back ... First principles, like what is health, what is energy, what is capacity, and how does that relate to our daily life and our daily function. What are the things that damage that function? Molly:  So that's really where my research has come into play and why I started teaching at Stanford, because they were like, "Hey, our students are some of the most talented in the world, but they're also the most stressed out. So how can we give them a course that could actually help them produce more capacity to do greater and better work?" So I had a class of about 23 people, and it ended up being 20 hours of lectures. I read in I think the last two years I read about 1200 papers. So I've been digging deep into understanding how is energy made, how is it used, how are your energy systems destroyed, and really trying to marry this Eastern ancient philosophy of Chinese medicine and Qi, and then marry that with Western science and come up with my own beliefs around what I call and what's known in the literature as health span. Molly:  Which is how do you extend life as long as possible without disease. To me, it's all about understanding what are the major causes of disease, what are you most likely to get, and what are the things that you can do in your daily life now to avoid these things from happening. Fortunately, or unfortunately, I test everything on myself first. So I've learned about what it means to make a lot of energy, which is essentially making money in your body, but I've also learned how to spend a lot of energy and burn yourself out. Molly:  So I have had multiple rounds of burnout in my life. I had a pretty close call this summer where I was really overdoing it, and I had to take a step back and say, "Oh shit. I'm not living the example right now. I'm really doing too much." Funnily enough, the biggest signal to me this summer was actually the people I was working with were not feeding my energy, they were draining my energy. The thing that people mostly don't realise about health and life is that the quality of your relationships determines the quality of your life. So if your relationships suck, then your life is going to suck and you're going to die young. If your relationships are healthy, you're actually going to live a longer life. Molly:  So it's so fundamental to aging well, is like surrounding yourself with people that nourish you and doing work that makes you come alive, you know? Mason:  So yeah, hell yeah first of all. Molly:  Yeah, thanks. Mason:  I'm keen to dive a little bit into it. You know, well health span I like. I like that you bring that up. I mean that's something that everyone just looks at life in a block term. I don't know when I started hearing that term, maybe in the tellomere books, when that was getting really trendy. It was at the end of that term of life for the [inaudible 00:23:48] when you no longer can reproduce cells a lot of the time, along with other degenerative diseases, you enter into the death span. That's for the last however many decades of your life that the medical system can keep you alive. You're in the death span. So I like that, that's a very tangible goal, to keep yourself in that health span. So we'll get into those principles, but in terms of your work, I mean you work for like year long blocks, like a lot of- Molly:  Six months to a year minimum usually. It's because you need that amount of time to change someone's life. You need that amount of time to take someone around the corner, because behavior change is hard. Mason:  And you go to their homes and work, right? Molly:  Yeah. I go to them. I go to their offices. I email them every week. I talk to the client that is sickest on the phone every week. I just literally created a nine page report on the fly for a client who had like 10 questions for me. She's fairly healthy, but she just wanted some answers and she wanted to understand Ayurvedic doshas, and she wanted to understand ... I was like, "Well here, let's talk about why Ayurvedas might be useful. Let's talk about why it may not apply to a Western body, and why there's some major issues in some of the nutritional recommendations that they have. Also let's talk about how, no offense to India, but they're not doing so well in health." So if this worldview is so effective, why do I see so many sick Indians? I'm just not convinced that tons of grains and tons of dairy is the answer to health. Mason:  Well especially like it's not going to be raw dairy, right? It's not going to be raw fermented dairy. Molly:  No. We're not getting raw fermented dairy. We're not getting non GMO grains anymore. We're getting all this garbage food, so you can't always apply these ancient technologies to modern life unless you can actually have ancient traditional food preparation. And you need to soak and sprout those grains too, and people aren't doing that. So I should've mentioned that in that report, but yeah. It takes a lot of work to do. I'm not against it, and I actually think that the doshas are really valuable for fitness recommendations, because the endomorph, ectomorph, mesomorph is very similar to the ... The ectomorph is very similar to the ... I have to- Mason:  Kapha, Pitta, Alpha. Molly:  Yeah, exactly. So you can actually look at these types and you can- Mason:  Is it, no, not alpha, vata. Kapha, Pitta, Vata. Molly:  Yeah, Pitta is more like mesomorph. Kapha I believe is more like ectomorph, and endomorph is like the last one. Point is that there's body types, and there's those skinny people who have these amazing metabolisms who could literally just crush carbs and they're fine. Then there's the people who are like they even look at a carb, they gain weight, right? Those people legitimately have slower metabolisms than the person who's got the faster metabolism. Then there's people like me who are in the middle, where if I eat carbs I gain weight, if I cut the carbs I lose weight like that. So it's literally I'm lucky. If I lift weights, I get muscular. If I don't lift weights, I get lean. If I do cardio, I get lean. Molly:  So it's all about this balancing of your energy and your metabolism with these patterns that we're seeing with people, that can change by the way, depending on your genetics and your location where you're living in and what you're eating. But anyway, so yeah. So there you go. Mason:  Well I like that you're working ... So you're obviously working, because you've got executives and tech people and kind of high flying CEO kind of clients as well, so it's a nice balance. But obviously they're going to be dealing some of the time with something debilitating. But as well, like if they're not going to- Molly:  Oh yeah, sometimes they just want to be really healthy. So I was writing this book called The Hour Between the Dog and Wolf. It's about the biology of trading, and I am working with a hedge fund founder who is kind of like a character off of Billions, except for a lot nicer. So he was having a bad year, and when you lose, you have high cortisol levels and you're in a fear based state and your testosterone levels tank. Molly:  When you win, your testosterone levels go up and it's like, "Boom." So there's this effect on your body and your biology that can literally change your performance, and your performance can change your biology. So I was trying to get this guy back into a state of high testosterone. So I was like, "Look. Your testosterone sucks. You've had a bad year. We want to get you back into a place where you're winning again." Molly:  So I got him to start weight lifting. I got him on a different type of dietary style. I got him to start doing certain things with his supplements, and low and behold, his testosterone doubled and he's in a much better place right now. So it's cool when you can teach a person about what's going on inside their body, give them certain behaviors to do, have them implement those behaviors, see the labs change, and then the person's like, "Oh my God. This is fucking awesome." Now this [inaudible 00:28:45] Mason:  So with the initial testing, because I think it's like a lot of people ... As we talked about before, I like that you're offering somewhat of a bridge, but a legitimate bridge. Not just like a, "I'm a health coach," bridge- Molly:  I'm a data driven ... I mean I am looking at the body as a very complex machine that needs multiple ways of attacking different problems and balancing different energies. Some of the energies by the way are not always physical. Sometimes this stuff is spiritual, and I have a questionnaire to identify where in your health do you have the biggest problems. Sometimes a person's health is actually, it's a spiritual problem. They really have had some sort of awful life event that has just set them on a course of really bad luck and bad experiences, and they need to focus on that and not on biology. But a lot of what I do and what my bread and butter is is biological health optimization. Molly:  So looking at the body from a molecular perspective and saying, "Okay. This is your lipid panel. This is what your LDL particle numbers look like. This is what your diet looks like and this is why your diet has changed these numbers. This is what your carbohydrate metabolism looks like. This is what your amino acid metabolism looks like. This is why you have an imbalance in amino acids. This is why you need this one specifically versus that one. This is why your cortisol levels are off and you're completely exhausted and you need some Jing herbs to revitalize yourself because you're literally burned out." Molly:  Or maybe a person needs detoxification because they've gotten super high mercury levels from eating way too much sushi, which was me last year in Japan. Then sometimes I'm looking at the microbiome and saying, "Okay, we need to get you on some personalized probiotics because your microbiome is totally imbalanced and we need to get you back to a better state. If you don't get into a better state, you're gonna develop inflammatory bowel disease because you have early markers of that." So it's a lot about prediction. Molly:  This concept of P4 medicine, which I really like, that Leroy Hood coined, and it's personalized- Mason:  What's this called? P- Molly:  P4. Personalized, predictive, preventive, and participatory. I really like it because it's a framework of thinking about medicine before things become full blown disease. Full blown disease is hard to reverse. I mean you are dealing with pathology on a molecular level that is like a broken building. It's a lot harder to fix that than a building that's got a water main leak that you're like, "Oh shit. We got to fix that water main leak, but if we fix it it's not going to completely collapse." Or like a building that has, like you're in the kitchen and there's a grease fire. You got to put that out now, because if you don't that's going to set this whole thing on fire. Molly:  It's really about ... Or maybe the building just has some ice and you're like, "Okay look, this building needs some upkeep. It needs some better cleaning." Just go fast, fast more often. Clean out the garbage and you won't have all this crap growing that shouldn't be growing. So I really look at the body as architecture, and I look at the architecture as like are you building your body out of marble and really good quality steel or crappy materials that are going to break down once a big storm hits. It's about looking at the parallels between nature and your own physiology, because you are a microcosm. You are in yourself a living, breathing organism that is basically changing constantly. Molly:  If you're not doing regular tuneups, you're not going to know when things are not working out well. So I did my own labs this summer because it'd been about six months since I'd done them. I was like, "Ah shit, my microbiome has been definitely affected by my stress levels and my diet. I need to increase my protein. I need to decrease my saturated fat. I need to change my probiotic regimen and I need to detox." So I started doing that about a month ago, and I'm already feeling like holy shit, so much better in one month. It's astonishing how just knowing what to fix and going after those areas is so much more effective than throwing darts at a wall and hoping something sticks. Mason:  Well I like that you're providing that service that's that bridge between you taking it on yourself and understanding the patterns of your body and being able to affect it, and basically get on top of little symptomatic responses and grease fires that come up. But the other side of that is where most people are trying to bridge between, is like the practitioner office, whether it's a naturopathic office or even possibly with a GP. Is MD just like, or is it GP? I don't know if you have GPs. Molly:  General practitioner. I'm a general practitioner. Mason:  Oh you are? Okay. Molly:  I'm the most general of practitioners, because I literally do so many things. I'm super broad. Mason:  Yeah. I think GP is that 15 minute stint in the office [crosstalk 00:33:44] Molly:  A primary doctor for the most part, but also anybody who's not board certified in one area is a GP for the most part. So I'm not a primary doctor. I'm not the doctor you call when you've got the flu. I am the doctor that you deal with when you want to improve your health or dig real deep into why you are so sick. Mason:  Well that is something I think a lot of people, yeah, you're providing that ... The amount of data that you go into, that bridge to go, "Right, you don't want to end up in any of these clinics or offices. You want to be taking complete understanding and responsibility for the patterns of your health." So you take people essentially through that program, and then when they come out the other side, from the sounds of it, they're incredibly informed about the way their body works. So I think- Molly:  Yeah. It's a lot of education. Mason:  Yeah. So you're using a lot of testing, which I really like. I think perhaps people listening ... I think it's something that is quite available. I think DNA testing, microbiome, and you're doing hormone panels, is that right? Molly:  Mm-hmm (affirmative). Hormone panels, microbiome testing, nutritional testing is probably the most valuable thing I do is literally just testing the body for vitamins and minerals and neurotransmitters and carbohydrate metabolism, fat metabolism, markers of dysbiosis, markers of oxidative stress. Like looking under the hood. Then just basic labs, like organ system function, anemia, hormones via blood and urine, and the whole hormone cascade. Then looking at certain specialty labs if necessary, like immune system function. What else am I doing? Molly:  I do some panels of infectious agents, just because viral infections are pretty common and yet overlooked by a lot of doctors. They just did not teach us to test for viruses when we were in medical school, even though they're super common. Mason:  Well I think that body of work is coming up in the literature. It's like there's been a lot on stealth infections recently. Molly:  Oh yeah. Mason:  The amount of times that it is going to be a stealth viral infection- Molly:  Oh yeah, or intracellular bacteria. Like syphilis, Lyme Disease, mycoplasma, those are nasty. Mason:  Well and I think what's happening a lot of the time for people who ... I was speaking to a practitioner over here, and she kind of solidified the idea that you start getting better on one front and you start feeling fantastic because you've gone after perhaps the spirochetes involved in Lyme, but then you've had a viral infection that's been sitting there dormant waiting for the health of a cell to get to a particular point that it can use it to reproduce its agenda. Then all of a sudden you start going down again. So that's for a lot of- Molly:  These things are nasty. You got to get their whole life cycle. You've got to look at the life cycle and be like, "Okay, how can I interrupt this? How can I interrupt this?" That's why antivirals concurrently with Lymes treatments are really important, because as your body starts activating and your genes start getting expressed, those viruses get into your genes. They get into your own genetic code, those assholes. Mason:  Yeah. Yeah, they are. They're opportunistic. Molly:  They're so smart. Mason:  That's why I think even with Lyme, it's like Astragalus, Japanese knotweed, Cat's Claw, that's why they're constantly being thrown out there. They have that cross section where they can be such effective antivirals. Even just having- Molly:  That's amazing. Mason:  It's just like even having that in your lifestyle, speaking of getting to understanding symptoms and understanding- Molly:  What are those called? Which ones did you mention? Mason:  Astragalus or astragalus. Molly:  Yeah, astragalus and- Mason:  And Cat's Claw. Molly:  Cat's Claw. I didn't realise Cat's Claw was an antiviral, but I think that makes sense. Mason:  Yeah, big time. I mean you can think like especially in the Amazon, if you're going to need an antifungal in your diet because you're going to have fungus bringing you down. So that's the Pau D'Arco. Then you combine that with the amount of viral activity that's going on there within that sopping wet jungle, that's where the Cat's Claw is probably ... It's one of the primary medicines if you get in there, especially one of the primary clinical medicines, but also for me it's one of the primary preventative medicines that I just kind of keep on rotation. Molly:  Amazing. Mason:  It's like I had to take it off SuperFeast, and this was- Molly:  Why? Mason:  It's just really hard to get a good source at the moment. Yeah, the quality's just getting a bit crap. I've now found someone that's working with some small tribes who are basically doing Cat's Claw in that Di Tao style. That's how we source herbs, Di Tao. It just means getting it from their spiritual homeland and crafting it in a way that leaves the environment better than when you found it, and also just like- Molly:  How do you pronounce that? What is that thing you said? Mason:  D-I, Di. Molly:  D-I. Mason:  And then Tao is T-A-O. Molly:  Tao. Mason:  Yeah, Di Tao. Molly:  Oh wow. That is the greatest thing. Mason:  Well I mean it's just a sourcing philosophy, I mean just being able to get the wild thing and procure it yourself, that's like if you're doing that yourself then that's essentially the most ... That's Di Tao to the absolute extreme. You don't need to label it Di Tao, that's just you getting your herbs. But in trying to describe to people how, like say we're sourcing Chinese tonic herbs, Di Tao it's kind of more of this living and breathing sourcing philosophy that's ever moving. It's not like organic is static. You tick boxes and then you can put a stamp on. Mason:  Di Tao, you're in constantly trying to get the growing or sourcing, whether it's foraging wild or growing it in a farm, closer to its original state. You're ensuring that you're not using irrigation, definitely not using anything like a pesticide or external soils or anything like that. But has a lot to do with making sure that you're in regions, whether they're mountainous or valleys or whatever it is, to atmospherically just make sure, and temperature wise to make sure that you're going to get a herb that has the most punch. Basically ensure that the herb has the Jing, Qi, or Shen within it. Then you constantly go down to make sure that you have the full spectrum extraction of the herb that just keeps it all together. Molly:  Amazing. Mason:  That's kind of like Di Tao. So yeah, hopefully we'll have a Cat's Claw soon, because we found someone basically doing it in that style over in Ecuador, which is like [crosstalk 00:40:29] Molly:  I mean, so I just got into Chinese herbs a couple years ago because I went to Erewhon Market in LA, and I was having a really exhausted week. I was just so tired, and I saw these elixirs. They were selling them for like $16.00, and I was like, "All right, well I'm in town. It's a fun thing to buy, an elixir from Erewhon, so we're just going to- Mason:  It's the funnest way to break the bank when you're in LA. Molly:  It's so great. You just drop $100 easy, like no problem. All the prepared stuff they make, that's the best by the way. They bake the best kale chips in the world. But the point is I had this elixir, and I remember just being revived, like totally revived. I was just like, "This is absolutely astonishing how good I feel right now." So I ended up buying all the separate ingredients of this elixir because I was just like, "I'm just going to have to make this regularly to get my Jing back." It was all about Jing herbs. I remember just feeling like, "This is the answer." Like as somebody who has the tendency to ... When I make energy, I just want to go and spend it. I mean my sister said, "Molly, if you're not working, you're partying." I don't party that hard anymore, but I have had a tendency to just burn the candle on both ends because I really enjoy life and I really want to feel alive. Molly:  I try to simmer down a little bit, but then I end up going back and doing stuff. But man these Jing herbs, it just revived me. I remember thinking, "This is so incredible that I just discovered this whole new world of medicine." There's apparently 50 Chinese herbs that are like the traditional- Mason:  The tonics. Molly:  Yeah. Mason:  A few more but there's like [crosstalk 00:42:09] It depends. There's a few official stories and things people have picked up and run with. Tonic herbalism and superior herbalism, it's wider than just like, "These are the top 50." It's a system. There are herbs which are considered superior that are there to basically ... That's about nourishing life, but some of them aren't the absolute top. Some of them are just somewhat supporting and bolstering to those and make it possible in that tonic herbal system. But basically, yeah. [crosstalk 00:42:41] Yeah, coming from that world of like Truth Calkins put together that Erewhon tonic bar. He worked with Ron Teeguarden. So yeah, that's like I definitely know that well. Molly:  Yeah. But I mean the hard part was, is actually I couldn't get ... For this tonic I couldn't get deer antler velvet. I was just like ... This is how I found out about your company, as I was like, "I can't get any deer antler velvet. There's literally no one in the world that I can get this from." Then I was like, "SuperFeast." I remember when a friend of mine from Byron Bay told me about your company. So I went online and I bought it and had it shipped. I was just like, "What is this magic?" I don't know the shelf life of it. Do you know the shelf life of it? Is it pretty decent? Mason:  Two years. Molly:  Okay, cool. I can still use it then. But yeah, it was this magical ingredient that I wanted to find. Then I saw you guys at the conference and I was just like, "Oh my God. His mushrooms are here for free. There was this whole room of free swag." I was just like, "Mason's Mushrooms are free? Like how come he is giving these away. This is so valuable. This is the most valuable thing in this room." I took like three bottles. Mason:  Yeah, good. I was hoping you would. I'm glad you got the deer antler. Molly:  I have a story for you. Mason:  Oh yeah? Molly:  I had a girlfriend who had not had her period in like a year because her husband is dealing with cancer and she was in a really serious stress state. She started taking your mushrooms and she got her period in a month. Mason:  So good. I love those stories. It almost brings a tear to your eye. Molly:  I know. Mason:  Because when you understand the repercussions of that that actually means- Molly:  Yeah. I was just like, "She needs adaptogens. She's in way too much stress. She's not in a state where her body can reproduce and she needs to get into a state of calm again." Honestly I saw her in a few weeks after she started the supplements I gave her, and she was like a totally different looking person. It was amazing. People don't realise that the stressed state, the body will always prioritize survival over reproduction. So there's a lot of women complaining of not being able to reproduce and having all sorts of hormonal dysfunctions, and you ask them about their lives and they're like, "Well I'm not stressed." It's like everyone is so complicit with the level of stress that we have that no one believes they're stressed anymore. Mason:  Yeah, that's it. Molly:  It's like, "I'm super high stress." Even I was in the state of denial even six months ago. Because I was doing a startup, I was working as a doctor and I was teaching at Stanford, and I was just like, "Yeah I'm not going to lower my stress anytime soon because this is what I do. I'm a top performer." There was a point where the world, the universe, my body was just like, "Oh just wait. Just wait. Give yourself a couple more months of this." I got around to the summer and I remember looking in the mirror being like, "You have exhausted yourself. You look exhausted, and it's time for you to take a step back and start recalibrating this stuff you're doing because you just performed a lot, but you just ran a marathon. You need to chill." Mason:  Yeah. You can never stop recalibrating and reading those patterns man. Molly:  You have to keep listening and listening. Mason:  There's so much clinically about stealth infections, stealth inflammation. Stealth stress isn't something, and you exactly said it, and I kind of sometimes just ... There's so much going on and I'll just run at a million miles an hour, and I know I have had the capacity to do that in the past, and especially when I've had my practices in place that I've been able to maintain that level, and at the moment ... I'm really reevaluating at the moment, especially I'm at the back of three weeks just with Aiya while Tahns is over studying in the States. Just with that, little things just get lost within the personal practice, and yet I don't take ... I just allow them to be eliminated and just, as you did as well, just a million miles an hour and all your projects and everything, and bit by bit that stealth stress starts to creep in. You go, "You know what? I'm okay. I'm actually not that bad." Mason:  Then the accumulation that starts to occur within your nervous system, within the endocrine system, and then if you have a high standard, which is what I like about your work in teaching this, understanding that optimal general high standard that you have for yourself, and that reading these subtle symptoms and then knowing that you have the ability to utterly change the flow of your lifestyle, that's where it lies in the begining. Molly:  This is the power of, and this is really the whole aim, is recognizing that there is no magical day where you're going to be optimally healthy. There's this constant rhythm of life which is always changing, and there's going to be times where you're going to be pushing it hard, and there's going to be times where you have to recover. If you don't, it's like athletes. I told everyone, "Look everyone, I'm on an off season right now." My off season involves writing a book proposal, traveling, speaking abroad, running my practice, but frankly, and I'm going to incorporate a company and get it started, but I'm not going to be overextending myself during this two month period. Molly:  This is about restoration. This is about recalibration. This is about reconnection with my community and my family, but it's not about always being go, go, go, go, go. It's about recognizing everybody can take a break. You can take a week long vacation once a quarter. You can take a day off once a week. You have to give yourself time to recover. That is the natural style of life. Life is not constantly always stormy. There's times of calm and there's times of stress, and if you don't follow those patterns and you're always in the storm, then how are you ever going to recover? Molly:  You're going to use up all your resources. This is really the core of health. It's about recognizing that you're going to build capacity and you're going to spend it. You're going to build it and you're going to spend it. It's like having money in the bank. But your major goal should always be, "How am I making compounding interest decisions that lead to better and bigger capacity so I can handle more and so I can actually do more without breaking?" This is how you level up in your life. It's like you don't push yourself and waste your energy completely, you reserve some of it in the back and you invest that energy in things that are going to build you up. Those adaptogens, the food ... They're not cheap, but they're worth investing in. Molly:  The food you eat, like I spend double what most people spend on food, and I also fast more often than most people do, so I probably spend about the same. But I'm doing these practices to build my capacity, and I'm doing these things that I know are going to lead to better health long term. So that's really the main message of what I'm trying to teach people. It's really about what is the minimum number of healthy things you can do to optimize your health so that you have this constant state of, "I'm still in the process of moving in the right direction of health," even though you're not always going to be at the highest performance state. Mason:  I completely agree. I always, again, whenever I talk about this ... It's absolutely true, and it doesn't matter how many times people hear this simple message, and I feel like you've put it quite a bit differently. But I always, I hear within myself the not possible-ness. I've worked with a lot of mums especially over the years, and you're feeling that's like ... If anyone's feeling that, it's not just mums of course, it's everyone, but that bogged down. For me it was a young man wanting to not grow a business but go and create the best educational resource. Mason:  I realised for me what was making it not possible, which was I feel like most people needed to kind of have on the side as an acknowledgement, when they hear this ability that you need to be able to maybe take a day off, do these kinds of things to keep you at optimal, is that you really need to go in and do some work to see where your societal or family programming has really put in some values that aren't actually yours. Because that's where, like the moment me and Tahns really realised that just, or for myself as well, I was just set to maximum velocity. Just in the business for example, I'm just like, "It's not possible to just slow down." It's just like there's so many things to do. It's just like, "Well how about we just don't do them as fast." Mason:  It's like with expanding to America, this is ... Tahns is like the GM of the company. She's copping that burden essentially if we go really quick, and for us to get to the point with a bunch of other decisions, we've over the last years realised, "Why are we trying to go so fast? We're not compromising our sourcing or anything like that, but why don't we just slow the fuck down? Why don't we just learn the real why of why we actually want to do these things?" I immediately just realised that that programming from the current entrepreneurial scene that I'd decided to take on myself, and it's- Molly:  Totally. It is. And everyone's miserable and they act like, "Oh look at me on my Instagram how fucking awesome my life is." Everyone's so unhappy underneath it all. You're like, "Actually the people I want to spend my time with are those entrepreneurs that are content, those entrepreneurs that are saying 'I do this because I love the work,' those entrepreneurs who basically inspire me to continue to grow in every direction and not be ..." The thing that really sucks about the entrepreneurship sort of mentality is that there's a lot of people who are just dopamine and novelty driven. So there's a sense of like it's never enough, and if you let that permeate your life of it's never enough, then you'll never be happy with your partner. You'll never be happy with any company you've built. You'll never be happy with your cofounder, and you'll always find a reason to find something wrong with your reality. Molly:  Frankly, no matter how big of a success you can have, you'll never be happy with that level of success either. So like when I finished teaching at Stanford this year, I thought, "Okay. The next obvious thing I should do is just found a tech company, because that's what you do in the Valley. You just found tech companies." I immediately- Mason:  That's so wild to me. Molly:  Oh totally, right? I was like, "Okay universe, I need this type of cofounder. Give it to me. I need literally someone to do this and this for me," and the next couple days I found these guys. They actually contacted me and they were like, "Hey we're looking for a doctor like you to work with." I'm like, "Well funny, I'm looking for co founders like you." You've got to be really careful with how you ask for things, because you may get them, and then when you get them you may not actually like them. You can end up ... I just think that there's this super fast mentality of everything has to go so fast, everything has to be so so quickly found. A lot of things in life take slow and tender caring and nurturing to build. Molly:  There is this desire I have of building something slowly and methodically, carefully, and not being chained to venture capital money, which I think is part of the reason why everything is so ... People think that they have to grow so fast, and they're so unhappy. There's frankly an unhappy relationship with venture capital. But at the same time, I think there's never been a better time to be an entrepreneur, so I'm not telling people not to do it, but I think the thing that I've learned from watching people is seeing who's doing it right and then who's maybe not doing it so right. Maybe who's doing it in a way that just isn't actually bringing them life satisfaction, you know? Mason:  Yeah. I like to think of it like who's doing it unique, because of course everyone's going to be [inaudible 00:54:48] Molly:  I love that, because I mean there's definitely enough people doing it in a way that's like, "Drain your energy. Drain your capacity. You'll deal with it when you exit." There's a lot of that. Mason:  I love it. Hey, since I've got a bunch of other things I want to talk about, but I know we're probably like- Molly:  Part two? Mason:  Yeah, maybe like ... We'll do a part two for sure. I've never done like this before, but how about like a fire found? Is that what they're called? Molly:  Oh yeah, sure. Mason:  All right. So everyone just know that these are huge topics and probably maybe on another podcast we'll get a little bit further into it, but I just want to get fire round recommendations and takes on first bone and teeth health. Molly:  Oh yeah, okay. Your bone and teeth health has everything to do with your diet, so if your diet is high in sugar, you're going to decay your mouth because you're going to grow the wrong bacteria in your oral microbiome and they're going to produce acid. That acid's going to break down the enamel, and that's how you're going to get cavities. So cut the sugar out of your diet. If someone hasn't told you to stop drinking soda by now, give me a fucking break. I'm sorry for cussing, but soda does not belong in the American diet or the Australian diet or any diet of human anywhere in the world, period, end of story. Okay, off that rant. Molly:  Minerals are really important. You get them from usually high quality sources of water. You get them from fruits and vegetables. You get them from meats. You get them from healthy foods. You need minerals. Shilajit's a cool source of minerals that I started taking, just be careful with the dose because if you have too much Shilajit you will get way too energized. [crosstalk 00:56:23] Mason:  Yeah, I mean it's a weird industry as well. It's getting pretty unsustainable that one as well. There's a couple of good ones, I think like Omica. But yeah. Molly:  Does Shilajit go bad, because I feel like it looks like it never goes bad like honey. Mason:  Yeah. I mean it's kind of like that. If you have the tar, then it's got like a long shelf life. Molly:  I don't think it goes bad. I feel like it's got to have years. Okay, other teeth things. People don't floss. Flossing is the key to good teeth. If you don't floss your teeth, you're going to have basically a large amount of surface area that's never been touched. So that's like not brushing your teeth. That's gross, so gross. I love oral health. I could talk about it for hours, but the quality of your diet will determine the quality of your teeth. Mason:  I love it. I saw on your Instagram that you're just making up a nice juicy broth for yourself, always going to help as well. Molly:  Yeah. Broth is so good because you need those minerals from the bones. Mason:  Well let's look really quickly, let's just like ... I wanted to talk about this a little bit more, but one of the things I really love about your, especially your Instagram, is your focus on food preparation. I assume it's something that you focus a lot in the work that you do. Molly:  Yeah. Food is everything, food prep. I mean sourcing, I source like a chef because chefs know where good food is made and sourced. So people don't understand that there's markets everywhere. Go to the market, get your best food, and then keep your plants alive. Plants want to live. Certain plants want to live outside the fridge, certain plants want to live in the fridge. Most plants that have stalks want to be in water, so you should put them into water and then put them in the fridge, because they want to stay alive. Molly:  Other plants like leaves want to be in like a greenhouse, so you put them in a bag with a piece of paper towel, and it'll keep them alive in a way that won't let them die. Make some sprouts. Sprout your own sprouts. They're super easy to do. Ferment your own foods. Mason:  Just get in there, yeah. Molly:  Just get into your community and get into local eating. Local produce is the highest quality nutrient value for your buck, and eat organic. Frankly it's just better for you. It doesn't have as many pesticides. But if you can't eat organic, still eat fruits and vegetables because it's still better for you than not. Just avoid the dirty dozen in America. Then with meat it's all about the sourcing. It's all about the quality. Grass fed, pasture raised, grass finished. Do not eat grain finished meat. Wild fish, know your fishmonger. Talk about where the fish comes from. Molly:  Choose sustainable fishes and don't over consume. We can all fast more. We don't need to eat every day, turns out. Humans don't have to eat every day. You can cut your grocery bill just by not eating as much. Nuts and seeds generally like to be soaked and sprouted, just be aware that you're going to get a lot of anti-nutrients. I overdo the nuts and seeds. This is a known problem. If somebody out there wants to give me advice on how to stop doing this, I don't know how ... I don't have the answer because it's my biggest issue right now and I still consume lots of nuts and seeds, and my Omega 6s are too high because of that, so that's a problem. Mason:  A lot of almonds in there? Molly:  Too many almonds. Mason:  Almonds, I think it's a thousand to one ratio of Omega 6s to 3s. Molly:  All right, I'm just going to cut out almonds. I'm going to cut out the almonds. That's the key is the almonds. Mason:  Yeah, just try the almonds and then see how you go. I love it. I mean I hit that message every time. Here everyone's integrating, like listening to the SuperFeast podcast, a lot of people are integrating tonic herbs into their kitchen. But what I like is for them to ... It needs somewhere to land within the kitchen. It needs a real culture. Just on, like crossing over to even psychedelics and Michael Pollan. His later book kind of rocked the world to change your mind, but he's a food journalist. I think we spoke about him. Are you a fan of his work? Molly:  I know him. Yeah, he's awesome. Mason:  You know him? Molly:  Yeah. Mason:  He's the legend, right? He's such a- Molly:  He's a legend. Mason:  After everything that he's researched, his whole thing comes down to just prepare your own food and know where it comes from. Molly:  And eat mostly plants and a little bit of meat if you want some meat. Mason:  But yeah, eat real food. Not too much, mostly plants. Right? I think that's it, unless ... Yeah, I mean I know there's a lot of contention in the diet scene no matter what, but that personal food preparation you can never come away from it. Molly:  The key is learning these basic techniques, like basic techniques. Get a blender, blending ... Everyone likes baby food, I don't care what you say. Purees make everything delicious. Broth plus vegetables equals magic. Just make baby food, just make it. You'll love it, I promise you. Just make purees. Mason:  I got to use my blender for something but hot chocolates one of these days. Molly:  Right? Make your own cacao. Make your own ... I don't know, just make your own stuff. It's not hard to make. Just learn to use a blender, learn to boil water, learn to roast, learn to saute. These are basic techniques. Mason:  Learn to slow cook. Molly:  Slow cooker. Oh yeah, slow cooker's got to be the easiest thing in the world. Mason:  Got to be the easiest thing. Molly:  Honestly just follow a recipe. Once a week learn a new recipe. Just teach yourself. Then make salads. Salads are dumb, I mean you just got to chop shit and make a dressing. Mason:  I love it. Look, final question before we bring this home. If people are going to start getting to understanding the patterns of their body, the symptoms of their body, I know you work with a lot beyond that. You look at emotional reactivity. There's a lot here for people when taking sovereign control of their own health to get on top of. Molly:  Yes, sovereign control of your health. Mason:  We've talked about the testing which people can go and find a practitioner. I know I'm kind of like back ... Need to kind of get on top of that, it's been a while since- Molly:  Try to find Genova Diagnostics. They're my favorite company. They're a global company. They're easier to find in England.

Dr. Molly Maloof’s goal is to maximize human potential by dramatically extending human healthspan through personal health technologies, scientific wellness, & educational media. She is founding her first technology company focused on bringing continuous glucose monitoring to the masses to optimize nutrition and health (currently in stealth).  She teaches a course at Stanford University on strategies for extending healthspan for greater lifespan. Her medical practice is focused on providing health optimization & personalized medicine to San Francisco & Silicon Valley investors, executives, & entrepreneurs. She has also worked as an advisor or consultant to 25+ companies in biotechnology, wearable technology, personalized nutrition, & digital health helping with medical research, clinical strategy, and product development. She is a globally recognized speaker.  Dr. Molly is a pioneer in health technologies that enable more of us to own our own health, practice data-driven self-care so that we can perform better, have greater wellbeing, and live a better quality of life for longer. In This Episode We Discuss: On why she left traditional medicine. How Burning Man changed her life and career. On the kind of diet that is optimal. Her thoughts on fasting...and she goes in-depth about it. How she used her gut feelings to leave a business opportunity. Her experiences with psychedelics and how they've enhanced her spiritual and healing journeys. The future of health that will include Eastern models as well as spiritual, mind and body connection. Show Notes: Dr. Molly on Linked In Dr. Molly's Instagram  Connect with Chase Wild Hearts: If you enjoyed the podcast, please share it.  Subscribe, rate and review the show on iTunes. Your rating and review help more people discover it! Follow on Instagram @chasewildhearts and let me know your favorite guests, lessons or any show requests.

Winner of the prestigious Windham-Campbell prize for his body of work, Trinidad-born and Ottawa-raised André Alexis sits down with National Book Award and National Humanities Medal winner, and author of over 40 novels, Joyce Carol Oates. The pair will discuss genre-bending, world-building and their shared obsession with storytelling. With the support of the Consulate General of Canada, San Francisco/ Silicon Valley and Zoetic Press.

These novelists have received considerable praise, including a top ten nod from the New York Times and an Oprah’s Book Club pick. Edugyan’s magical realism explores slavery and freedom, and Jones depicts a modern marriage wrenched apart by a discriminatory American justice system. With the support of the Consulate General of Canada, San Francisco/Silicon Valley, She Writes Press and Zoetic Press.

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Die DUB Akademie, früher bekannt als DUB Unternehmer-Club, organisiert regelmäßig Future Experience-Reisen zu den digitalen Hotspots dieser Welt. Nach Tel Aviv, San Francisco/Silicon Valley und Tallin stand nun als Reiseziel Tokio auf dem Programm, diesmal hat Jessica Storch sie begleitet. Vom 29. Oktober bis 1. November besuchte die 23 Personen starke Gruppe – 6 JDB-Mitarbeiter und 17 Gäste – die Hauptstadt Japans und zahlreiche dort ansässige Firmen. Während japanische Firmen Roboter zum Beispiel für die Altenpflege bauen, hält die Bevölkerung Japans alten und starren Traditionen fest. Jessica hat bereits 2016/17 in Japan gelebt und gearbeitet. Sie versteht die Sprache und kennt die Kultur. Ich habe sie gefragt, wie die japanische Gesellschaft organisiert ist, wie das Arbeitsleben funktioniert und was sie selbst dort fasziniert. Einen ausführlichen Erfahrungsbericht gibt es in Ausgabe 6/2018 des DUB UNTERNEHMER-Magazins – am Kiosk oder als PDF für DUB-Club-Mitglieder. Wenn ihr Fragen, Wünsche, Anregungen & Feedback für uns habt dann uns super gerne eine E-Mail unter podcast@dub.de

Social, cultural and technological change is all around us. We live in an era of upheaval, not unlike the movement from an agrarian to a manufacturing economy that took place 100+ years ago. At the time, many thought it was, to borrow a phrase, the end of history. Many spoke about the evils of cities. They thought that leaving the farm was anti-American, that it went against the Jeffersonian ideal of America. It produced anger, sometimes violence, labor strife, and in the end a whole new economy that some long for today. The current shift that is far from done. As AI, crypto, virtual reality and whole new ways of looking at the world change the landscape of just about everything. Arguably ground zero for this remarkable change is San Francisco and the Silicon Valley. Ground zero in a time of monumental change is never an easy or safe place to be. And certainly, it is having its impact on a City that once saw itself first as a bastion of manners and old wealth and then as the center of progressive cultural revolution. Today, it’s the center of another kind of inevitable and inexorable revolution that Cary McClelland details in Silicon City: San Francisco in the Long Shadow of the Valley. My conversation with Cary McClelland:

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These writers showcase the art of writing trauma — one focusing on Native women and the other inspired by her own experience as a survivor of assault. With the support of the Consulate General of Canada, San Francisco/Silicon Valley.

These powerful rising voices are breaking new ground in Native literature. The first 100 attendees will receive an excerpt of Orange’s book, set to hit shelves in June. With support from the Federated Indians of Graton Rancheria and the Consulate General of Canada, San Francisco/Silicon Valley.

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Former IDEO Mechanical Engineer turned Startup Freelance Consultant – Jen Davis-Wilson– Ep30 Jen Davis-Wilson worked for 12 years at IDEO. Since then, she has gone off on her own to be a startup freelance consultant. She typically works with clients in the San Francisco (Silicon Valley area). While Jen and I are both Mechanical Engineers, our careers and the way we go about creating client projects is quite different and it was interesting to hear a different perspective on the process. Some of the highlights/links we discuss: Industrial design versus Engineering Her work with Magic Instruments on a cool new guitar product to help beginners learn guitar How to test products? Make a rendering and put a product on ebay, kickstarter, etc. Also, 3D print a product and put on the same websites Examples: Justin Shook (who was on episode 3, owner of com and his etsy store Collector Craft One of my creations, the Led Zeppelin Object. I've found that fans of classic rock bands love re-created retro things you can't find anymore. com com Key Takeaways It was interesting to see how Jen's process is compared to what I am used to. She tends to work with bigger startups than my company and as a result seems to have a bigger team on her end, often backed with IDEO employees. It was also interesting to discuss the Solidworks work flow versus Industrial design CAD tools. While I prefer Solidworks because it is easy to update a file, I can understand why some designers work in other programs that are not parametric. And from my experience, some shapes are easier in other programs like Blender (and Jen mentioned Rhino). We had a good discussion about product testing. Some companies will make renderings to see if people will buy a product before it is made. However, traditionally big companies will use focus groups and interviews.   To Contact Jen Linked JenDaviswilson@gmail.com   The Engineering Entrepreneur Podcast is produced by Scott Tarcy, President of CADdesignhelp.com. You can reach me at info@caddesignhelp.com

Elizabeth Becker author of OVERBOOKED: The Exploding Business of Travel and Tourism, which was an Amazon Book of the Year. She is an award winning journalist who was the international economics correspondent of the New York Times, senior foreign editor of National Public Radio and war correspondent of the Washington Post Robbie Hardy spent 20+ successful years in the corporate sector before finding her true calling in the entrepreneurial world.  She has sat on all sides of the entrepreneurial desk - as CEO, strategic consultant, board member, investor, and mentor Madhavan Ramanujam co-author of Monetizing Innovation: How Smart Companies Design the Product Around the Price is a board member and partner at Simon-Kucher& Partners based in its San Francisco/Silicon Valley office. Advising companies of all sizes from Fortune 500s to startups, Ramanujam has led more than 125 monetization projects for internet, software and technology clients, helping bring numerous new products to market For more information go to MoneyForLunch.com. Connect with Bert Martinez on Facebook. Connect with Bert Martinez on Twitter. Need help with your business? Contact Bert Martinez. Have Bert Martinez speak at your event!

Episode 1: Product Superheroes with Bob Schoenthal.  Bob talks with product development, design and management superheroes in the San Francisco/Silicon Valley area. About Case Case Sandberg started off his development and design career by turning frequent freelancing into a full time web agency.  When he moved to the Bay Area he started working for one of his longest running clients and eventually the company was acquired by Shutterfly.  He is currently still with Shutterfly working as a front end engineer,  as well as frequently hosting hack-a-thons and working on an innovative startup idea. @casesandberg Host, Bob Schoenthal is an experienced product manager, tech and passionate product enthusiast. His focus is on mid-sized companies in the Hawaii real estate sector and Bay Area B2B and B2C startups and early stage companies. He's an avid tech conference and winning hackathon participant. Bob organizes Startup Product Talks Silicon Valley and is heading up the Product Camp San Francisco team. @mightybobarian ---------------------- Get a free audio book when you sign up for a 30-day free trial at audiblepodcast.com/prodmgmttalk AIPMM Webinar Series: http://aipmm.com/aipmm_webinars Daily, curated educational free online events for your continuous learning. @webcastdigest http://bit.ly/1arEtJg Startup Product movement for product excellence. Career board: http://jobs.startupproduct.com Mastering Product Positioning Online Course 50% discount http://bit.ly/1hF18Fe