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In This Episode Michelle Bendien interviews Justin Doornbos of BombBomb about the transformative power of video messaging in enhancing customer experience and accelerating the sales cycle. Justin shares insights on how builders can effectively use video to create emotional connections, engage clients, and overcome common objections to video usage. The conversation emphasizes the importance of tracking and analytics in sales, showcasing how video can lead to better relationships and increased referrals.   Timestamps 00:00 The Power of Personal Connection in Sales 04:15 Navigating Holiday Sales Challenges 06:10 Enhancing Customer Experience with Video Messaging 09:53 Strategies for Effective Video Communication 13:30 Maintaining Emotional Connection with Buyers 17:36 Overcoming Objections to Video Messaging 21:21 The Importance of Tracking and Analytics 26:36 The Risks of Ignoring Video Technology About Justin Justin Doornbos is an experienced Enterprise Account Executive and a dedicated coach with over nine years of experience helping home builders accelerate sales and elevate the customer experience through simple yet powerful video messaging. He has partnered with 14 of the top 20 home builders and many more in the Top 100, guiding them to adopt personalized, human-centered communication strategies. Justin specializes in helping organizations ReHumanize their business communication across Marketing, Sales, and Customer Success.    Acknowledgement  Builder365 is powered by Opendoor for Builders. For easy sales and smooth moves, visit www.opendoor.com/builder365       

In this episode, Rehumanize's executive director Jack Champagne and board member Michael J. discuss the changes made in the 2024 Republican National Convention platform and what lies ahead for conservatives who adhere to a Consistent Life Ethic. — The Vox article referenced by Michael: https://www.vox.com/first-person/2017/2/3/14487208/pro-life-abortion-movement — Learn more about Rehumanize International and the CLE at rehumanizeintl.org.

Welcome to The Power Lounge, your go-to place for engaging conversations in the digital world. In this episode, our host, Amy Vaughn, dives into the delicate balance of authentic networking with marketing expert, author, and CEO Maryann Lombardi. Explore the transformative power of genuine relationships as Maryann shares her unique approach to evaluating connections, emphasizing intentional interactions and understanding others' needs. From dispelling myths about confidence to exploring AI's role in networking, this episode offers actionable insights for personal and professional growth through meaningful engagements. Join us in redefining networking and embracing the profound impact of authentic connections!Featured in the EpisodeMaryann LombardiExecutive Turned Founder | Author | Speaker | Creative Economy InnovatorMaryann's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/maryann-lombardi/Amy Vaughan,Owner & Chief Empowerment OfficerLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amypvaughan/TakeawaysMisconceptions About ConfidenceNetworking as Daily EssentialAuthenticity and Connection in NetworkingChallenges in Authentic NetworkingBalancing Personal and Professional LifeUnique Value Proposition CommunicationIndustry Adaptation and Intentional NetworkingQuotes"Empathy is key in offering support—everyone deserves to be heard and cared for, wherever they may be." - Maryann Lombardi"Adapting skills to new industries and highlighting diverse talents add unique value across fields in career transitions." - Maryann LombardiChapters00:00 - Introduction01:30 - Balancing Passion and Purpose for Career and Life10:15 - Embracing Empathy and Open-Mindedness13:13 - Conquering Networking Challenges17:43 - Building Connections through Common Ground22:19 - Setting Intentions for Aimed Success29:25 - Reflecting on Experiences and Self-Worth36:26 - Redefining Networking and Valuing Time54:56 - Networking Shapes Careers01:00:33 - OutroPowered by Heartcast MediaSupport the Show.

The brain easily forms ingroups and outgroups – and shows different responses when viewing one or the other. At the extreme, the brain stops seeing outgroup members as people, but more like objects. But are there ways to rehumanize? And in this context, what do heroes look like? In this episode, Eagleman talks with two men -- Maoz Inon and Aziz Abu Sarah -- one Israeli and one Palestinian. The two men, full of pain and sorrow, are fighting. But they are fighting side by side. They are fighting to repair the future. Learn what peacebuilders are, how they function, and what this has to do with the neuroscience of dehumanization, ingroups, outgroups, and the possibilities -- both political and neural -- for rehumanization.

In this episode, our host Emiliano is joined by Rehumanize founder Aimee Murphy to discuss a recent Alabama Supreme Court ruling and how pro-lifers should approach embryo destruction and IVF.   —   Learn more about our stance on human embryos: rehumanizeintl.org/embryos

This episode brings together Rehumanize founder Aimee Murphy and adoptee Sarah L. to discuss the intricacies of adoption and all it entails.   Learn more about Rehumanize International at rehumanizeintl.org.

Human capital is an important element to achieve business success. But how can business leaders implement empowering work cultures and guide HR officers to perform at their best? Today, Dr. Keri Ohlrich presents her book, The Way of the HR Warrior: Leading the CHARGE to Transform Your Career and Organization. Regardless of whether you are in HR or not, her book and message surely have something for you. What are you waiting for? Hit that play button and don't miss this chance to transform your trusted team into resilient HR Warriors! During my chat with Dr. Keri, we discussed:1. What motivated her to co-write her book, The Way of the HR Warrior2. What the CHARGE framework is, and how we use it in our careers, whether we work in the HR field or not3. Why HR aligning their goals and values with the organization is critical4. We also talked about leadership and how self-awareness is so important at any stage as a leader5. Dr. Keri also shared her top books and resources to develop leadership muscles in your career6. She also left us with her advice for anyone who wants to get into the HR field (here's a spoiler alert – it's not for the faint of heart)

Guest: Darin Dawson   Guest Bio: Darin Dawson is the Co-Founder and President of BombBomb, a Human-Centered communication Platform that enables users to use simple, personal video messages to leverage their best asset … themselves. Darin leads all sales, marketing, customer success and product development at BombBomb, a fast-growing, Colorado-based software company. He's on a mission to re-humanize the planet and he wants to start with your business communication. He believes that human beings have intrinsic value and that every person deserves to be seen, heard and understood. That's why he co-founded BombBomb.   Guest Links: bombbomb.com/freebook     About Salesology®: Conversations with Sales Leaders Download your free gift, The Salesology® Vault. The vault is packed full of free gifts from sales leaders, sales experts, marketing gurus and revenue generation experts.  Download your free gift, 81 Tools to Grow Your Sales & Your Business Faster, More Easily & More Profitably. Save hours of work tracking down the right prospecting and sales resources and/or digital tools that every business owner and salesperson needs. Watch the demo of the Salesology® Prospecting Method, A Simple, 3-Step Method That, On Average, Increases Qualified Appointments & Sales By 73%. If you are a business owner or sales manager with an under-performing sales team, let's talk. Click here to schedule a time. Please, subscribe to Salesology®: Conversations with Sales Leaders so that you don't miss a single episode, and while you're at it, won't you take a moment to write a short review and rate our show? It would be greatly appreciated! To learn more about our previous guests, listen to past episodes, and get to know your host, go to https://podcast.gosalesology.com/ and connect on LinkedIn and follow us on Facebook and Twitter and checkout our website at  http://www.gosalesology.com

(Airdate 5/30/23) John Wood Jr is a national leader for Braver Angels - his mission is reviving the communal fabric of democracy. He is the former head of the LA County Republican Party. What's in a name; Red & Blue vs. Left & Right are they labels or limitations? What is equity through a Republican lens? Which Republican candidate does John think will secure the nomination? This and more are on the agenda for this lively podcast. www.braverangels.org

In this episode, we invite Ethan Beute. Ethan is the Chief Evangelist at BombBomb and a marketing strategist, Educator, Amazon Best selling Author of Rehumanize Your Business, and a WSJ Best Selling Author of Human-Centered Communication. He is also the host of the Chief Evangelist and The Customer Experience Podcast. What you will learn: - BombBomb videos for job search - Ethan's vision with BombBomb - Ethan's backstory and career journey - The book: Rehumanize Your Business - How COVID impacted the users of BombBomb - New updates and features of the BombBomb video - Ethan's advice for the audience to get started with BombBomb If you enjoyed today's episode, don't forget to subscribe and leave us a ⭐5 STAR REVIEW!! It only takes a few minutes and let me tell you... those reviews really help people find the show! Get in touch with guest:

Special Guest Ryan Robinson joins us to discuss the damaging effects of lust and objectification. 

What is content marketing and what does it mean for your personal brand? In this episode content expert Catharina explains how content creation works and how you can create a simple but powerful content marketing strategy for your own brand. She also shares some great tips about rehumanizing brands and companies. Her tip? It takes time but it is worth it! Find Catharina on LinkedIn here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catharina-mensak/ --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

In this penultimate episode, the Calm, Edged, Rebels challenge the phrase ‘rehumanize' and the potential separation of personal and professional approaches when in an organisation.   ‘What is your purpose' is that a heavy question to answer? What motivates you at work? Do you feel empathy as a leader? How do we remain feeling human in a digital world?   What place does purpose and meaning have for someone who is trying to develop emotional intelligence? And that more human side? Do you think it has a place?   To continue the conversation, share your thoughts and ideas, please connect via Twitter, Instagram or LinkedIn.  And finally, for regular news updates and details on our Coaching Retreat, subscribe to our newsletter here.   Links:   Rehumanizing Leadership book by Sudhamshu Palsule and Michael Chavex Rehumanizing Leadership - Amazon   Redefining Communications Podcast with Jenni Field – Understanding Empathy and compassion:   Empathy and compassion S3 E9 - Redefining Communications Podcast   Ikigai article from BBC Ikigai: A Japanese concept to improve work and life - BBC Worklife   Coaching Retreat – Calm Edged Rebels Retreat New - Calm Edged Rebels   Edge model – Colinear The Edge Framework – Colinear   Confidence Coaching by Comms Rebel Coaching – Comms Rebel   Calm Edged Rebels Podcast Season 6, Episode 3 How to Get a Growth Mindset

It's time for a crash course in the legal history of religious liberty! Can a "Satanic abortion ritual" trump pro-life legislation? How does religious liberty impact efforts to protect life in the womb? Kelsey Hazzard, founder of Secular Pro-Life, provides a valuable introduction to a new frontier in abortion litigation. Below are the legal opinions cited in the presentation. Employment Division, Department of Human Resources of Oregon v. Smith, 494 U.S. 872 (1990) Church of the Lukumi Babalu Aye, Inc. v. City of Hialeah, 508 U.S. 250 (1993) Burwell v. Hobby Lobby Stores, Inc., 573 U.S. 682 (2014) Prince v. Massachusetts, 321 U.S. 158 (1944) Jehovah's Witnesses in the State of Washington v. King County Hospital Unit No. 1 (Harborview), 278 F.Supp. 488 (W.D. Wash. 1967) In re Clark, 185 N.E.2d 128 (Ohio Ct. of C.P. 1962) Hoener v. Bertinato, 67 N.J.Super. 517 (1961) Learn more about Secular Pro-Life at secularprolife.org.   Transcript: Kelsey Hazzard: Hello everyone and welcome to Religious Liberty Justifications for Violence: a Legal Analysis. For those of you who don't know me, my name is Kelsey Hazard. I am the founder and president of Secular Pro-Life. SPL is an atheist led organization advancing secular arguments against abortion and uniting people of every faith and none to protect prenatal human beings. I'm really excited about this presentation. Although I am an atheist, I have always taken a strong academic interest in religion. My undergraduate majors were religious studies and psychology, and then I went to law school where I just devoured all things First Amendment. So I wanna thank Rehumanize International for giving me this wonderful opportunity to, to geek out with an audience. You have probably seen headlines about satanist groups and pro-abortion Jewish synagogues filing lawsuits against pro-life legislation planning that it violates their religious freedom. And maybe you've thought, well, that's ridiculous. You can't just kill somebody and say, Oh, but it's my religion. And if that was your reaction, Your intuition is correct. I am going to conclude that these lawsuits, these lawsuits ought to fail. But to discuss this issue intelligently beyond just our intuitive reactions requires understanding some key concepts of religious liberty law. So, this session is your crash course. I have five housekeeping matters before I begin. One, I have a lot of citations. You can find all of them in the most recent post at secular pro-life dot org slash blog. I've also dropped it in the chat, and if you're watching the later recording, there should be a link in the description. Two. A disclaimer. I am a attorney. I am not your attorney. This presentation is for general educational purposes only. It is not legal advice. If you need legal advice, you should contact a lawyer who's licensed in your jurisdiction to give you advice that's tailored to your situation. Number three, I realized that this conference attracts attendees. From around the world. In fact, I think I saw a poll earlier that about a quarter of you are from outside of the United States of America. I am focused here. This presentation is specifically about US law. Number four. If you have questions or comments, please put them in the Q and A tab. I'll circle back to them at the end if we have time. If you put them in the general chat tab, I might miss them. So please use that Q and A tab. Finally, number five. This session is going to touch on quite a few beliefs. Satanism Judaism, Native American Spirituality, Santeria, Evangelical Christianity, Jehovah's Witnesses. In the Immortal words of Stefan from Saturday Night Live, this club has everything. If you happen to belong to any of the religious communities I just mentioned, I apologize in advance for how cursory and surface level my comments are going. You could devote a lifetime of study to any one of the religions I mentioned, and many people have. We have 45 minutes. It is what it is. And I'm sorry. So all of those housekeeping matters are done. Let us dive in with a Native American church and the case of Employment Division, Department of Human Resources of Oregon versus Smith. That's mouthful. We usually just say employment division versus Smith. Mr. Smith ingested peyote for sacramental purposes during a Native American ceremony. Somehow his employer, a drug rehab center, found out about that and fired him. He applied for state unemployment benefits and he was denied. Oregon's position was using hallucinogens is illegal in our state. You used them. There is no religious exception, so it's your own damn fault you lost your job. We're not paying you unemployment. Mr. Smith argued that this violated his first amendment right to free exercise of religion. The case went all the way to the us Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court ruled against him. The court supported Oregon's position. Their reasoning, and I'm paraphrasing here, Was, what are you nuts? We can't start making religious exceptions to drug laws. Every heroin addict in the country is going to take advantage of that. Laws would mean absolutely nothing. It would be chaos . So he lost, he lost his case. And the legal standard that was announced in Smith was that if a generally applicable, incidentally burdens religious exercise that is not a First Amendment violation. The law will be upheld and the state does not have to create an exception or an accommodation for that religious person. So what does the Supreme Court mean by generally applicable law? The best way to illustrate that is with a counter. Let's talk about Church of the Lukumi Babalu Aye versus city of Hialeah. I love this case, not just because it's fun to say, although it it definitely is Church of the Lukumi Babalu Aye. I also just find it super interesting and my favorite law professor Douglas Laycock, happens to represent the church. So, first some background. This is where Santeria makes an appearance. And if your only familiarity with Santeria is the Sublime song, you have excellent musical taste. Don't practice Santeria ain't got no crystal ball — just don't pop a cap in Sancho, this is a consistent life ethic conference. By the way, I have no way of knowing if my stupid jokes are landing. So please, please be gentle. Santeria is most commonly practiced in Cuba. It arose from the interaction of African religions brought by enslaved people, and Catholicism brought by colonizers. When Cuban American refugees settled in South Florida, they brought Santeria with them. Santeria worship sometimes involves ritual animal sacrifice, which makes it a very foreign and objectionable, scenario to a white American audience. When a Santeria priest announced that he was opening the Church of the Lukumi Babalu in Hialeah, a Santeria congregation, it did not go over well. As the Supreme Court put it in its opinion, the prospect of a Santeria church in their midst was distressing to many members of the Hialeah community. And the announcement of the plans to open a santaria church in Hialeah prompted the city council to hold an emergency public session on June 9, 1987. That session and some later ones produced numerous resolutions and ordinances, which taken together prohibited the Santeria animal sacrifices. So this went up to the US Supreme Court. And the, the justice said the justices had no trouble figuring out that this was not a generally applicable law. It was a unanimous decision. The city argued, Hey, they we're just promoting animal welfare, and we have legitimate public health concerns as far as the animal remains go. But that was unconvincing because the ordinance. Were just riddled with exceptions for commercial meat production, for hunting, for pest control, and even for kosher slaughter. The court called it a religious gerrymander. I'll quote again from the opinion. The net result of the gerrymander is that few, if any, killings of animals are prohibited other than Santeria's s. Which is prescribed because it occurs during a ritual or ceremony, and its primary purpose is to make an offering to the Orishas, not food consumption. Indeed, careful drafting insured that although Santeria sacrifice is prohibited, killings that are no more necessary or humane in almost all other circumstances are unpunished. In other words, this law was discriminatory. And since the law was not generally applicable, The Smith's standard did not apply. Instead, the court used a much tougher standard, what we call strict scrutiny. There must be a compelling interest in support of the law, and the law must be narrowly tailored to advance that interest with the least religious burden possible. Remember that test: compelling interest, narrowly tailored. That's strict scrutiny. And there's a saying in the legal community: strict in theory, fatal in fact. Meaning hardly anything is going to pass the strict scrutiny test. Hialeah's anti sacrifice — anti sacrifice law, certainly did not, and the church of the Lukumi Babalu Aye emerged victorious. So at this point you might be wondering how this is relevant to anti-abortion laws. After all, we aren't targeting a particular religion. We didn't convene an emergency city — city council session to ban the satanic abortion ritual. We aren't trying to save only the babies conceived by mothers of a particular faith group. We wanna save as many babies as humanly possible. That's how pro-life laws are written. They're broad. They're generally applicable. Yes. Yes. That, that is right. However, The American public really did not like the outcome in Employment Division versus Smith. A lot of people on both sides of the aisle felt that Smith should have won that case, and it's not hard to see why. Right? He's a very sympathetic plaintiff. He wasn't hurting anybody. Native American use of peyote is thousands of years older than the United States itself. The war on drugs really has run a muck here. Why couldn't have Org — why couldn't Oregon have just made an exception for him? Don't we have freedom of religion in this country? And that was bipartisan sentiment at the time. So Congress passed a law called the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, or RFRA. And what RFRA did was take that compelling interest, strict scrutiny test that was used in Church of the Lukumi Babalu Aye and say that's going to be the test for all religious freedom claims, including claims for an exception to a generally applicable law. Now, the federal RFRA only applies to federal laws, but almost half of the states enacted their own state level RFRA. That includes much of the south and also some deep blue New England states. The end result is that whether you are going to take more of a Smith approach or more of a church of the Lukumi Babalu Aye approach depends on where you live. I told you that RFRA was a bipartisan sentiment at the time. Not so much now. Over the years, increasingly high profile RFRA claims involve L G B T issues. For instance, conservative Christian florists seeking exceptions from anti-discrimination laws so that they can refuse to serve same sex weddings. RFRA itself didn't change, but it acquired this anti-gay connotation that left a lot of liberals with a sour taste in their mouths. And like so many other issues, opinions about RFRA grew more and more partisan, more and more polarized. And then the Supreme Court decided Burwell versus Hobby Lobby. This was a huge RFRA case. It was only eight years ago. It got a ton of press and I'm sure many of you already know all about it. But I'm gonna summarize it. So as part of the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, whatever you wanna call it, I don't care. Employers of a certain size were required to provide contraceptives — coverage for various contraceptives with no copay. Hobby lobby did not object to most of the contraceptive methods on the list, but it identified four that it said weren't really contraceptives, that that was a misnomer. These were really abortifacients. They weren't preventing conception, they were preventing a newly conceived embryo from implanting. Hobby Lobby considered that to be an early abortion, and the company owners' Evangelical Christian faith would not allow them to be complicit in funding their employees abortions. Hobby Lobby brought a case under RFRA. The Supreme Court used that two part strict scrutiny test. Remember: compelling interest and narrowly tailored. The court assumed that the government does have a compelling interest in ensuring access to contraception. It was that second part of the test whether the law is narrowly tailored to advance the compelling interests by the least restrictive means, which is where the contraceptive mandate failed. And that was largely because a religious exception already exists. The Department of Health and Human Services, HHS had created an exception, had had given accommodations to churches and religious non-profits that had a problem with funding contraceptives. In those cases, the government covered the cost without the employer's involvement, thus advancing the compelling interest in contraceptive access without a religious burden. So the accommodation was obviously possible. It was being done. It's just that HHS would not extend that accommodation to Hobby Lobby on the ground that Hobby Lobby was a for profit company. A slim majority of the justices, five to four, said that under RFRA, that doesn't matter. For-profit or nonprofit status doesn't matter. So Hobby Lobby got its exception from the contraceptive mandate. The mandate itself was not struck down, by the way. It's still in effect, albeit with greater, broader, religious exceptions than HHS wanted. Women are still getting their pills. Sky didn't fall, but plenty of people were convinced that the sky was falling and RFRA took another hit in the court of public opinion. So the religious liberty challenges to pro-life laws that we're seeing today are largely RFRA lawsuits. When you read the press about them, the narrative is basically, Ha ha ha, conservatives we're using your religion law against you. Like it's some kind of Gotcha. Hopefully by virtue of this presentation, you understand why that take is ahistorical. But forget the press. Let's take a fair look at the lawsuits themselves, starting with the Satanists. First of all, to correct a myth, Satanists, do not literally worship Satan or even believe in the existence of Satan. Satanism is a naturalistic system, but you do not necessarily need a deity to qualify as a religion under the First Amendment. Sincerely held Moral beliefs will suffice. For purposes of today, satanism is a religion, and Satanists provide a useful public service, in my view, keeping local governments in compliance with the establishment clause. I see you've, put up a 10 Commandments monument. Where do we apply to erect our statue to Baphomet? It's those, it's those guys. You, you've seen the satanists. One of the better known Satanist communities is the Satanic Temple, which follows seven tenets. The first tenet is one should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with roots, in accordance with reason. Unfortunately, that noble tenant goes straight out the window when it comes to abortion. In that case, they emphasize the third tenet: one's body is inviolable, subject to one's own will alone. Classic sovereign zone. The Satanic abortion ritual involves reciting and contemplating that third tenet while getting an abortion. For the purpose of casting off guilt, shame, and mental discomfort that the satanist may be experiencing about the abortion. So the argument is not that abortion is a required part of Satanic practice. It's not like making a hodge. They're not sacrificing babies to earn points. That's not what's going on here. The argument is just that if a satanist is going to have abortion, this is the ritual that goes along with it. And by restricting abortion, you're also restricting the ritual. The Jewish lawsuits, by contrast, Argue that Jewish law actually requires abortion, at least in some circumstances. For instance, the complaint brought against Florida's 15 week ban, which is still pending. That complaint asserts that late term abortion is required under Jewish law, if necessary, to promote the woman's mental wellbeing, which obviously goes far beyond Florida's normal health of the mother exception. To be abundantly clear, that is not a universal interpretation of Jewish law. Those plaintiffs do not speak for all Jews. There are pro-life jews, and Jews are welcome at this conference. Let's assume that we are in a RFRA jurisdiction. If a state wants its pro-life laws to apply universally without granting an exception to anyone who claims a religious freedom to abort, remember what the state has to. One, the law is supported by a compelling interest. And two, the law is narrowly tailored to advance that compelling interest with the least possible burden to religious exercise. We all know what the compelling interest is. It's human life. The plaintiffs will say, Not to our religion, it's not. And I say, Bring on that debate. The science of life at fertilization is settled. And when you read the Dobbs opinion, I don't think you can escape the conclusion that the government now has a legally compelling interest in preventing abortions. Is there any way to promote that compelling interest without creating a religious clash? Not that I see. One day with the development of artificial, artificial wombs? Maybe. That, that would be great. But with current technology, no. So I believe that anti-abortion laws should survive a RFRA challenge. They survive strict scrutiny. The lawsuits will fail. But Kelsey, someone asks, What about strict in theory, fatal in fact? Thank you, person who has been paying attention. You should be skeptical. Can I point to any specific legal precedent that a state's interest in, in protecting human life, and in particular young human life, and preventing human death, can trump a religiously motivated medical decision? Well, folks, I promised you Jehovah's Witnesses, and I'm a woman of my word. Several bible verses prohibit eating blood and instruct Israelites to remove blood from their meat. Jehovah's Witnesses interpret those versions to prohibit not only eating blood through the mouth and digestion, but any consumption of blood, including taking blood intravenously. They oppose blood transfusions on that religious ground. This belief is very sincerely held. Many Jehovah's Witnesses would rather die than accept a blood transfusion. Many have proved it. Normally, we trust parents to make medical decisions for their children, but when Jehovah's Witness parents refuse to allow life saving blood transfusions for their kids, authorities often intervene. And when that happens, the parents go to court demanding vindication of their religious liberty. There's whole line of cases about this going back decades. And most of them cite this powerful quote from the Supreme Court case of Prince versus Massachusetts. Parents may be free to become martyrs themselves, but it does not follow that they are free in identical circumstances to make martyrs of their children. Oddly enough, Prince didn't involve blood transfusion or any other life or death issue. Prince was about a Jehovah's Witness who had her daughter, selling religious pamphlets late at night in violation of a child labor law. But the Supreme Court's rhetorical flourish about making martyrs of your children made it clear how it would come down in a blood transfusion case. And courts across the country took that unsubtle hint. For example, a Washington Court rejected a Jehovah's Witness blood transfusion lawsuit on the compelling authority of Prince. An Ohio Court wrote, no longer can parents virtually exercise the power of life or death over their children. Nor may they abandon him, deny him proper parental care, neglect or refuse to provide him with proper and necessary subsistence education, medical or surgical care, or other care necessary for his health, morals, or wellbeing. And while they may, under certain circumstances, deprive him of his liberty or his property, under no circumstances, with or without due process, with or without religious sanction, are they free to deprive him of his life. That same court went on to say the parents in this case have a perfect right to worship as they please and believe what they please. They enjoy complete freedom of religion, but this right of theirs ends where somebody else's right begins. Their child is a human being in his own right with a soul and body of his own. He has rights of his own. The right to live and grow up without disfigurement. Okay. You're thinking those were all born children. Okay. Allow me to introduce you to the New Jersey case of Hoener versus Bertinato. Mr. And Mrs. Bertinato were Jehovah's Witnesses. Mrs. Bertinato was pregnant with her fourth child. This was an issue of RH incompatibility. I am not qualified to explain that in any detail, so I'll just quote the court. Her first child was born without the necessity of blood transfusions and is a normal child. This accords with the medical testimony at the hearing that the mother's RH blood condition adversely affects the second and subsequent children, but rarely is harmful for the harmful to the first born. Second child needed a blood transfusion immediately. The parents refused and the baby's doctors filed an emergency petition. The court briefly placed that baby in state custody just long enough to accomplish the blood transfusion. The child survived, and the child was returned to the parents. I'll quote again. Gloria Bertinato's third pregnancy resulted in a baby who also — excuse me. Gloria Bertinato's third pregnancy resulted in a baby who admittedly also needed a blood transfusion to save its life, but defendants again refused to permit this on religious grounds. No legal proceedings were instituted to compel the transfusion. The infant died. For baby number four, the county would not allow that tragedy to be repeated. They were ready. Officials filed their lawsuit before the child was born, to ensure that a blood transfusion could occur. The lawsuit, quote, charges that the defendants, by their refusal to authorize the transfusions, are endangering the life of the unborn child, and are therefore neglecting to provide it with proper protection, in violation of New Jersey law. The court acknowledged that the parents' religious objections were sincere. But the parents' constitutional freedom of religion, although accorded the greatest possible respect, must bend to the paramount interest of the state to act in order to preserve the welfare of a child and its right to survive. The court cited Prince and various other Jehovah's Witnesses blood transfusion cases, and then it asked, should the outcome be any different because this child is still in the womb? And the answer was a resounding no. This was pre-roe. So the court embraced the science and stated medical authority recognizes that an unborn child is a distinct biological entity from the time of conception, and many branches of the law afford the unborn child protection throughout the period of gestation. Of course, in the Dobbs era, that protection is finally being restored. A pro-abortion American is free to embrace a religious belief that human life does not begin at fertilization, but she is not free to make a martyr of her child. That concludes my prepared remarks. I appreciate your time, and I look forward to answering your questions. Um, Elizabeth asked, what was the name of this case? I don't know which case you're referring to. All of the cases are in that citation, that link I gave at the beginning. And you should be able to, hold on. Are you talking about the most recent case I was talked? The, the last case I mentioned, Hoener, H O E N E R, versus Bertinato was the case with the, the unborn child of Jehovah's Witness. Love all the jokes in geek. Thank you, . I, I know that we, we cover some dark topics at the Rehumanize Conference. I'm a big believer in, trying to lighten the mood. I don't see much in Q and A tab, so I'm just gonna scroll back through the chat tab. Let me see if there's anything here. , As a fellow lawyer, I feel that caveat to my core. Yes. Thank you, Leah. Um, Oh my God. . Sorry. The poor, poor dog. Okay. Jews have been pro-life for millennia, so Yeah. I, I agree. Joey. Thank you, joey, for rick rolling us . Okay. Um. Ben says, these seem like really strong precedents, especially because some of them are arguably about letting die rather than killing and are thus even stronger than what you'd need in the abortion case. Excellent point, Ben. Yes, I, I certainly, hope that the courts see it the same way. The, the downside to the Jehovahs Witness precedence is that they are older and they are not Supreme Court precedents. But as I mentioned, the, the Supreme Court precedent in Prince, although not about blood transfusions, has, has largely been, taken up in that line of cases. And I think it would, still function in the same way in the unlikely event that one of these religious freedom abortion cases makes its way all the way to our highest court. How would you summarize this to say 240 characters? Like to tweet at Catholics for Choice? You might need a thread , or you can just, link to the eventual video of this presentation. I believe Rehumanize is going to make this footage available, and then we'll get the closed captions going and put it up on YouTube, hopefully within the next few weeks. But yeah, more, more generally, I think, the, I don't know, maybe I should start tweeting at Catholics for Choice about this. What are you seeing in the legal field regarding RFRA changing its function post Roe? I don't know that it's really changing its function necessarily. So some of the plaintiffs, and particularly the satanist plaintiffs, I think are bringing these lawsuits, not solely because they're pro-abortion, although they are — I think they would also, as a, as a strategic matter, like to push on RFRA. I think I, and I think that's why we're seeing the press around it that we're seeing. This is like — even if they were to lose and they, they have to know that they're likely to lose, this is, this is a press thing and this is a, a matter of, trying to, get, get some more public opposition to RFRA. So. I, I don't, I haven't seen a whole lot of traction on that front. I haven't seen any legislatures, taking RFRA off their books, but you never know. . David asks, How long, how do you do your legal prep? Sorry, I'm struggling to read this because other things keep popping up. How do you do your legal research and how long does it take? Did you know most of these cases offhand or did you have to look them up? So I knew some of the big ones offhand. I knew. Employment Division v Smith. I knew Church of the Lukumi Babalu Aye. I knew Prince vs. Massachusetts. I knew Hobby Lobby. You know, like I, I refreshed my memory by rereading those opinions, but I knew that that was where I needed to start. And then I did have to do some additional research, when it came to the, the pen — the pending lawsuits, and also the Jehovah's Witness line of cases. I, I, because I am a practicing attorney, I have access to Westlaw, which is the, legal database. That was very helpful. And, you know, also just, I, you know, I started by just doing a general search for law review articles about Jehovah's Witness of blood transfusion that compiled some of the cases. And that was, that was a good start. And I, was definitely working on this presentation as late as last night. So , I'm glad it came together. I am a better procrastinator. But that's, yeah, that's how it all happened. Let's see. Ben asks, Apart from law, what do you think about the ethical argument from religious freedom or religious pluralism, that being pro-life depends on controversial slash contested views about the grounds of personal identity and dignity. And so no one view should be legislated for by a pluralist society. The problem is that your, your law is going to pick a line. That's what laws do. If. That, that that argument, that poor pluralism argument treats birth like it's a neutral line. It's not. The, the law is gonna pick a line and every line is gonna offend somebody . That, that's just, that's just life in a democracy. So I don't, I don't find that argument particularly, persuasive from our loyal opposition. My, I would go a step farther and say that the only neutral way to go about this is to say that, you know, human rights begin when human life begins. And that that has to be defined in a scientific way, rather than a philosophical way because, there, there's, you know, you all of these, different guideposts that are being posed. Bear a lot of resemblance to ensoulment, which would be an establishment of religion. I hope that makes sense. , Given your rationale, how would any abortion be legal without demonstrating an exceptional need such as life of the mother? I, I do oppose abortion other than for the life of the mother. Mother, excuse me. Under Dobbs, the state, it, it is still a state by state thing. I'm getting into — the 14th Amendment argument is definitely beyond the scope of what I can do in the next nine minutes. But the, so, the idea is that you're, you know, the people of a state, through their legislatures, demonstrate what the interests of the state are. Right? So Florida or, you know, let's, you know, take, take like Alabama, right? Alabama has, an active, pretty, pretty strong anti-abortion legislation post Dobbs. That is an indication that the state of Alabama has a compelling interest in preventing abortion and protecting human life. California obviously does not think that it has that compelling interest, so that — I, I don't know if I'm answering your question. But I, I hope, I hope that helps. How can interested people get involved with Secular Pro-life and what are your current needs? Yeah, definitely you can get involved in Secular Pro-life. We are always in need of volunteers. We, look for people to write guest pieces on our blog. We look for translators. We wanna get our message out in languages other than English. You can email me, info@secularprolife.org, or you can email our executive director Monica at Monica, secularprolife.org and, get connected to some volunteer opportunities that way. And you can also donate, via our website or our Facebook page. In Canada not long ago, an immigrant couple were convicted of the honor killing of their daughter. The couple sincerely believed that it was their moral duty to kill their daughter, but the majority in Canada, fortunately in the case of that issue, and unfortunately perhaps some other issues imposed their views on the minority. Sometimes it is good to impose views — not a question, a comment supporting something you said. I, yeah, that, that's an excellent example. I would stick with the Jehovah's witness example, just because it's a little less inflammatory. . I, I'm not in the habit of, comparing pro-choice people to supporters of honor killings if I don't have to. I think the Jehovah's Witness comparison is, more diplomatic and civil. But on principle, yes, you are correct. The the same reasons that, you shouldn't be able to, claim a religious exemption to commit an honor killing are, are the same reasons that you shouldn't be able to claim a religious exemption to have abortion. Um, Yeah, neutrality just seems impossible here. No neutrality when lives are on the line. Oh. Maria wrote, We will be publishing a handful of the session recordings on our YouTube in the coming weeks, but all attendees should have immediate access to all the recordings for rewatch and hopin on Monday, and that access will last for a full year. All right. Thank you. Maria. I don't. I'm, I'm guessing that's only for people who bought a ticket, though. I don't think Catholics for Choice bought a ticket. It's their loss. It's their loss. Okay, we've got about five more minutes together and I think I went through everybody's questions we might end earlier, which is, a secular miracle for a conference like this. I see Leah is on Team Westlaw. Yes, Westlaw all the way. I don't use Lexus. Never have. Um, oh. And Herb says, Thank you. All right. Herb, did you wanna come into the presentation and say anything? I was gonna do that, and then I just realized I'm in the same room as Kane who is on a panel right now, so nevermind. I'm leaving Yes, Secular Miracle would be a great band name, absolutely Ray. Hmm. Can you maybe conscience rights for physicians? Oh, can I comment on that? It's a big problem here in Canada. I unfortunately don't know much at all about Canadian law. I don't, to my knowledge, Canada doesn't have something like RFRA. So I am unfortunately not the person to ask. But, yeah, RFRA certainly can be used, for conscience protections in, in some situations. That wasn't within the scope of what I was researching, for this presentation, but I have seen that anecdotally. Um, the danger there, of course is that, you're treating, objection to abortion as inherently religious, which it isn't , but, Okay. Anything else? Always heard Canada is pretty bad for conference rights. Yeah. Yeah. That, that's what I've heard also. Oh, something in the Q and A. Thank you. What do you think of efforts to argue for pro-life conclusions within religions on specifically religious grounds? Eg. Do you think Catholic should be arguing against Catholic for Choice? Primarily just using general moral argument. To avoid creating the impression that it's really a religious issue, or do you think there's a role for intra religious debates to be more well religious? I, I think that if you are part of a religious community, and members of your community are out doing stupid things or unethical things, you should go get your guy. That's, I, I have no problem with you using a religious argument with someone that you know to be religious. Now if you're in a public Twitter argument with Catholics for Choice, then maybe consider that you're not so much trying to persuade them. You're trying to persuade the audience. So in that case you might take a more ve route, but yeah, individually, like in a one on one or small group setting, if you are speaking with co-religionists, I don't have a problem with you, using a religious argument. That's your business. I'm, I'm an atheist. That's, that's not my realm at all. So something came up in chat. Con — that's the problem we're having. Conscience is always being framed as religious, but conscience is not itself exclusive to religion. Yeah. And so that kind of gets back to my point earlier about, satanism being considered a religion. And you, you can see that also in, consci— conscientious objector rules for military, you do not have to be, religious to, to claim, an interest in pacifism. I read about a pastor who has a ministry flying women from places where abortion is illegal to get abortions legally. That's just gross. Okay. I think we are done. Thank you all so much for your time. I am going to maybe hang out a little bit at the Secular Pro-Life Expo booth if anybody wants to continue this conversation. And, yeah. Thank, thank you so much for, for dropping in. I really, and, and for, for asking such thoughtful questions.  

Social Media: The Biggest Problem?How Do We Rehumanize Humanity? - Matthew Kelly - Life is Messy InterviewGet Matthew's 60 Second Wisdom delivered to your inbox: https://www.matthewkelly.com/subscribeVideo Transcript:Jack Beers:“Okay, dehumanization?" What is it?”Matthew Kelly:“I have long wanted to write a book just about the dehumanization and re humanization. It is in my opinion, one of the mega themes of our culture at this moment, what is dehumanization? How does it happen? And, what is its effect? When you dehumanize people, it changes the way they treat each other. That's it's simplest form. When you dehumanize people, it changes the way they treat each other. People begin to deface each other, rather than ennobling each other.For example, brutality divides us while love and respect ennoble us. Do we live in a society of love and respect or in a society of brutality? The question itself is unsettling. And of course the answer is not binary. It's not all or nothing. It's not one or the other, but still too much of society is engaged in various forms of brutality to dismiss the question. And that's just one example of dehumanization. Most customer service people who work in customer service do not feel like they are treated as human beings. We do tend to dehumanize customer service people.It's, "I got this problem, you caused this problem, fix this problem." But the reality is the person we're talking to did not cause the problem, maybe yes, the great big enterprise they work for caused the problem. But that doesn't give us reason, doesn't justify us in dehumanizing this customer service person. And, so once you start to get into it, you realize it is everywhere. I think the great quest of the next a hundred years is to re humanize humanity. It is a mega thing and it will become a bigger and bigger problem, the longer we refuse to even talk about it.”Jack Beers:“Do you think that the dehumanization has taken a big leap? Like it has increased in the dehumanization or intensified in its dehumanization, more rapidly recently than it has in the past? If so, I would love to hear your thoughts on how you think that's taken place.”Matthew Kelly:“I mean, no question, we're learning to do everything that's bad for us faster and faster than ever before. Technology assists in that, right? Not the technology is bad, but if you use it for bad things, you can do bad things faster and more than ever before. I think the everyday example is just gossip. Gossip is dehumanizing. Social media is the industrialization of gossip. And so social media has industrialized dehumanization, and that's just one example.Is social media bad? Oh, it's neutral. Television's neutral. Social media is neutral. Money is neutral. Food is neutral. These things are neutral. How we use them, how we activate them in our life, gives them the positive or the negative charge. But there's certainly plenty of evidence that something like social media is being used to dehumanize people in myriad ways, perhaps most significantly by redefining what it means to be a friend. It's the simplest thing, right? Connect with someone, click a button and they're your friend, but that's not friendship. All men and women of goodwill recognize that, realize that, but it's like a runaway train, right?”Jack Beers:“Yeah. I have to ask then, how would you say... Is friendship connected to re humanization then?”Matthew Kelly:“Good question. Everything is connected to relationship. The world, society, culture is a multiplication of relationships. The bigger the group, the more relationships that are involved. If our relationships improve, the world improves. Not maybe, definitely. If relationships improve between people within a country that nation's relationships with other countries will improve. Not maybe, definitely.And then y

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In this episode, Herb and Emiliano are joined by the founder of Rehumanize International, Aimee Murphy, who has just released a book with New City Press! Titled Rehumanize: A Vision to Secure Human Rights for All, this book includes a digestible yet systematic analysis of the ethics, history, and public policy surrounding modern issues of dehumanization and the Consistent Life Ethic. Learn more: rehumanizeintl.org/book-tour-2022

In this episode, our hosts Herb Geraghty and Emiliano Vera talk through their initial reactions to the leak of the Supreme Court's draft opinion on the Dobbs v. Jackson case.   AUTOMATED TRANSCRIPT: [00:00:00] Emiliano Vera: All right, everybody. Welcome back to the Rehumanize podcast.  [00:00:05] Herb Geraghty: It's happening! Roe v. Wade is coming down, or at least it looks like it. No guests today. Just going to be me and Emiliano. I'm Herb here as always. We have a lot to talk about when was the last time we recorded?  [00:00:19] Emiliano Vera: I think it was before I went on Easter break. Yeah, we're right after I came back. I don't know. I have no conception of time anymore. [00:00:30] Herb Geraghty: That's all right. But yeah, no, the, there obviously there's been a whole lot happening in the whole world, but I think the biggest piece of news is the leaked draft of the Dobbs decision by Politico, like two weeks ago. I time has been totally at a standstill for me since that's happened. I have, I have no idea how long it's been. I think it's been about two weeks since recording, since we have been recording this. And yeah, so, I mean, if you somehow follow Rehumanize and haven't heard there's been a draft of what looks to be the Supreme court's decision, the majority opinion. In the Dobbs V Jackson case, which for a while we've been saying has the potential to overturn Roe V. Wade. And the majority of justice says as of May 2nd have ruled in favor of overturning Roe and upholding the 15 week ban.  [00:01:29] Emiliano Vera: Have you read the the opinion and it's a super majority, right? It was six three, not five, four, right.  [00:01:36] Herb Geraghty: I  wait, I'm pulling it up now because I couldn't, I couldn't remember who, who signed onto it. No, as of the, the leak, it was only Thomas Gor Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Coney Barrett and Alito Roberts hadn't signed on, but it wasn't, we, we still don't know. We only have the draft of the opinion. Right. I don't know if he is. Concurring or joining a dissenting or doing something else that's funky, or if he just hasn't decided yet, and he's going to sign on to the majority. Obviously it wasn't supposed to come out. And so we we don't exactly know. We know that the justices can change their mind up until the day that it's released, that this was supposed to be sort of a long process of editing these drafts. So we, we have no reason to believe that the final that what has been published is the total final draft. But if it is what is going to be released as the official opinion, it rocks to answer your question. Yes. I read most of it. I'm not a legal scholar, but luckily my girlfriend is a law student then. And she has read the entire document and the, that first night that it really, it was released. She read the entire thing and was pulling out important quotes for me. And so that was extremely helpful to understand exactly what was going on because I read the Politico argument and basically the, the messages, the Roe V. Wade was egregiously wrong from the start and it's coming down. And this 15 week ban is constitutional which of course will open the gates to banning abortion in other ways and earlier in gestation because we no longer have the the precedent of Roe upholding the imaginary constitutional right to abortion. But yes, I've read most of it. But a lot of the kind of footnotes I'm like, this is all legal jargon. I don't fully need to understand because I'm not a constitutional lawyer. But yeah, what I've read, I like I'm excited. It seems good.  [00:03:40] Emiliano Vera: Yeah. I read probably like 20 pages of it. And like on Facebook and kind of like the, the week afterwards or not just Facebook, I'm not really on Facebook a lot. And the social media is there were like some, several kinds of like pro-choice people citing some of the, the language is used in decisions as kind of like apocalyptic. Like a harbinger of what's to come for other rights, like that were established by privacy's. So either LGBT rights or, or rights to birth control or something like that like things established by Griswold and other cases what do you make of those kind of interpretations that like, oh, the, this, this document that came out are setting up to just like knocked down like a whole other slew of anything that has to do with privacy is going to get overturned now. [00:04:49] Herb Geraghty: Yeah. So I think that. I when I first saw kind of the uproar about that from a lot of pundits I was also concerned because at that point I hadn't read the decision yet that the actual Monday night I I happen to already be in DC for other events. And so when it was released, the people I was with and some other people from rehumanize and partner organizations were outside the court within the hour demonstrating. And by the time we were there, I think the article came out at like eight 30 and we were there by nine 30 and there was already hundreds of people demonstrating almost all. Pro-abortion. I think that a lot of people just heard the news and immediately wanted to protest. And the pro-life movement had not come together yet. So it, it really was just kind of us out there at the Supreme court. And so I, I did not have time that night to actually read the opinion. And so that next day I also saw a lot of that, like Alito is coming for all of our rights there it's, it's not just abortion that we know there is no right to an abortion. There's no right to take the life of another human being. However, because of the sort of political movement that has championed the rights of the unborn I think people had some legitimate concerns about other rights that some people claim did build off of decisions like Griswold and Roe and Casey. And so like at rehumanize international, we don't really take official positions on things outside of issues of aggressive violence. And so. You know, in our capacity as an organization, we don't really take strong positions on things like birth control or LGBT privacy rights to yeah. Just don't hurt people. But as an individual, you know, I have political positions outside of the, the mission of rehumanize international. And so I was concerned about the, kind of the, the claims that the draft decision seems to be gearing up to come after other rights particularly LGBT rights that were determined in like Lawrence and Obergefell in terms of like, you know, same-sex sexual relationships and marriage. And so I think like if I spent a couple hours being like, oh no, should I be concerned about this opinion? Like, should, should I actually, you know, Advocate, you know, there's not much to do for the Supreme court. They're not there, they're an unelected body. So you just kind of have to hope that they do what you want. But I did share those concerns, but once I actually read most of the opinion I it's, it's hard for me to really see it that way that the Supreme court is coming after other privacy rights. I mean, in a leader's opinion  [00:07:35] Emiliano Vera: seemed like very, very like specific about like Roe vs Wade and abortion. [00:07:45] Herb Geraghty: Yeah. I mean, let me pull up some of it, because I think that Alito in the draft goes out of his way to be very, very explicit that this is only about abortion. In his discussion of privacy rights. Let me pull up the quote. Here it is, this was from the opinion. Roe's defenders characterize the abortion, right? As similar to the rights recognized in past decisions involving matters, such as intimate sexual relations, contraception, and marriage, but a portion is fundamentally different as both Roe and Casey acknowledge because it destroys what those decision called fetal human life and what the law. Now, before us referring to the Mississippi law describes as an unborn human beings. At further distinguishing abortion from same-sex marriage. Alito says none of the other decisions cited by Rohan Casey involved, the critical moral question posed by abortion. And then he goes on to say that therefore, these are unrelated and do not take what we are saying about there not being a privacy, right. To dismember a baby to mean that other privacy rights are non-existent. In general, I mean, I'm not a constitutional layer. I know that a lot of people have, you know, even like LGBT affirming or LGBT people have sort of said like actually these decisions that we have, like trying to base them on the privacy, right. That were established in decisions like RO are actually not great legal precedent anyway, because a lot of these privacy rights always said like this doesn't it. Maybe I support the ruling, like plenty for 50 years pro abortion I'm pro choice legal scholars have been saying like, no, I think abortion should be legal, but the constitutional  [00:09:30] Emiliano Vera: thing, like a bad, badly determined decision. [00:09:35] Herb Geraghty: Exactly. And people, you know, sort of on all sides of the issue, I've said similar things about . And so I think that it Alito comes from a particular position on you know, LGBT marriage rights that I would, I would probably disagree with him on. However, when the court looks at previous court decisions to determine precedent, what they're looking at is what's actually written in the opinion, not, oh, well, what did Sam Alito think at the time that he was writing this? And the language in this draft decision is explicit that this is referring to abortion because it is distinct from other privacy rights, whether you believe in these privacy rights that they are found in the constitution or not, or if they're just good in and of themselves, and they're not explicitly in the constitution or they are or whatever. I think it's important to note that it is very different. Then, then these other rights, because they have the question of this unborn human being. I think that these past couple of weeks, since the decision has leaked, I I've seen from pundits and the media and, you know, people on social media, a lot of fear-mongering about different things. I think that this kind of LGBT rights has been one that that's been particularly effective in scaring people about this draft decision. I think also you know, misinformation about miscarriage and particular like miscarriage management procedures, and it may be necessary. Topic pregnancies, things that people do have, I think, legitimate fears about. Because they've been told by the media and by the abortion industrial complex that pro-life Americans are trying to criminalize things like miscarriage and treatment for ectopic pregnancies, which is just not true. I think every, every once in a while there like a fringe legislator that doesn't know what he's doing, there was one in Ohio once that that it made it into a bill that treatment for epileptic pregnancy, though, it wouldn't be illegal. Like it said something like, ideally this would be the, the embryo would be reimplanted in the womb, which at this point there's not really the medical technology for that to happen. Anyway. So the only treatment for atopic pregnancy includes ending the life or the, or the child's life ending as a result in order to save the life of the mother. I have never met a pro-life person who actually opposes that. I've never met a pro-life person who opposes DNCs for miscarriages, for children who have already died. However, we see this fear-mongering and propaganda from a lot of people in the media and the abortion industrial complex in order to intimidate people into thinking that the status quo is kind of this neutral. Human centered way of legislating abortion. But the reality is that the status quo is egregious. We in this country, we have two over 2000, about 2,500 individual children being killed every day by abortion. Like this, it is extremist. We have abortion post viability in many states in this country, totally legal with, you know, not even talking about like medically indicated ones where, you know, the, the woman's health may be in danger or the child may,  [00:13:10] Emiliano Vera: which we know the majority of post viability abortions are elective and not done to save the life of the mother or because of fetal non compatibility with life or something like that. [00:13:21] Herb Geraghty: Yeah. I think that basically these past couple of weeks have been an exercise for me, sort of in on the front lines, talking to people. Outside the court protests and on social media and speaking to the media, it's really just been an exercise in correcting a lot of misinformation. I mean, plenty of people still believe that overturning Roe will make abortion illegal. Like that's, that's just not true. It will. It will send me a shoe back to the states and legislators will be able to listen to their constituents who want abortion to be illegal in those states and legislate accordingly. Although we know that the, the abortion issue will still be extremely important in, in many states that that seemed to be signaling that they not only are going to continue to have sort of extremist post viability abortion laws. But they're actually trying to become sanctuary cities for abortion, where they are putting taxpayer money into getting people from other states into their states in order to get abortions there. And so I, the people I think on both sides, there's just not a lot of clarity about exactly what this decision means. If it, if it even comes down, if it comes down in this way we've seen the pro-abortion movement trying to actively intimidate the justices into changing their minds. We've seen you know, through protests, including outside the homes of these justices explicitly telling them, you know, we're not going to accept this decision. You need to change your mind. I'm hopeful that, you know, Alito and Kavanaugh and Coney Barrett and the rest of them aren't successfully intimidated. And I, I don't think they will be But I think that it's important right now that we, as pro-lifers push back against that narrative that we show the reality of the pro-life movement, which was, which is that we are a movement that exists to protect human rights and to serve pregnant people. And in particular, low income women who face you know, difficult pregnancy circumstances and, and make it clear that we are standing with them, that, you know, the abortion industrial complex for years has pushed this narrative that abortion is needed, that violence is needed in order to have equality or liberation or As Yellen recently said, you know, it needed for the economy, which is truly shocking, which is like, that's some  [00:15:58] Emiliano Vera: evil capitalist propaganda. [00:16:03] Herb Geraghty: Yeah.  [00:16:03] Emiliano Vera: It's wild. To me, just the blatant illiteracy in the general public about what abortion laws in the United States actually are compared to abortion laws in the entire rest of the world, including you know, the established social democracies of Western Europe, like a country, for example, like Sweden, where abortion is a permitted. Up to the first. I can't remember if it's 12 or 14 weeks, but like throughout Europe there are limits on on abortion that are less than the law that is being challenged in the Supreme court from Mississippi. So like, you can talk about the differences in like access, for example, where in the United States you have to pay for abortions out of pocket. Except for in the largest states that commit the most abortions like California and New York that are covered by Medicare. And in which case it is socializing. You don't have to pay out of pocket if you are under a certain income level. But for most of Europe, most of the world The the week limits on abortion are already much, like, much more than any type of limits are tolerated at all in the United States without having like a massive up a massive uproar about it. [00:17:49] Herb Geraghty: Yeah. I think that if the majority of EU countries in particular, 12 weeks as the limit for elective abortion,  [00:17:56] Emiliano Vera: yes. I saw somebody somebody who I, I like and follow on Twitter said something a while ago about, oh, Greece is a really interesting example that it's a, a socially conservative religious country where abortion is legal and publicly funded and then asterisk up to 12 weeks. And I was like, you realize that the Mississippi law puts a 15. Week limit on abortion, right? Like there's just a complete disconnect from reality of what abortion law currently is in the United States, a complete disconnect from reality about what overturning Roe would actually do, which once again, would not make abortion illegal in the United States. It would return to the status quo that it was before 1973, where the states could it like through their own democratic legislatures decide themselves, you know, before an unelected body of nine male justices decided that Nope, this is just the law now. In the article that I'm writing for rehumanize right now, I also point out that the legalization of abortion. Pretty closely followed the urban uprisings of the sixties in the civil rights movement. And like the, the debate out of New York especially is pretty like blatant they're like, yeah, we hope that we'll be able to reduce the amount of births on do you unwed mothers and two people on welfare. And then like other than states like New York and California the other states that were taking out borrow or that were taking up the liberalization of abortion law before Roe was decided, were the states in the south that were in the process of basically getting reprimanded for their sterilization laws that were horrible and Found to be illegal and basically just replacing sterilization laws with abortion. So it was not like a bunch of liberal states. It was Republican California, Republican New York and the south that were the states that were liberalizing abortion before Roe just came in and did everything, you know, funded the entire  [00:20:15] Herb Geraghty: point about that we all know that the sort of rise of the abortion movement was very much led by the leaders in the eugenics movement in the, in the, at that time. And I think that the, that point you made about, you know, reducing, you know, it was clear, it was clearly racial and it was clearly able to rest. But I think the, the, the class-based nature of it too is so important. Like you said, like, We want to limit the amount of people on welfare and their ability to continue having children, because that is more children that need state support. And I think that we talk about that as, you know, as kind of a memory of the past that now the abortion rights movement has really situated itself on the left and as a movement, you know, for social justice and for women's rights. And for health, health care justice which is, you know, to us or appalled by, because we know that abortion is, is an act of violence. And so it doesn't really make sense in that context. But they sort of no longer lead with eugenics first. Rhetoric. However, in these past couple of weeks, when I have been talking to people, I've seen the  [00:21:34] Emiliano Vera: eugenic rhetoric pop out on social media and just like in comments  [00:21:40] Herb Geraghty: and I, and I, I'm not great at the, at the discourse on social media. I have. A difficult time talking to people behind a screen, because I think that it's just not my calling. I'm much better at face-to-face conversation. And I, because I think that it's happened multiple times because when we were out there in front of the court, about half the time, you know, people really came up to us and they saw our signs with secular pro-life messaging and consistent life ethic messaging and you know, sort of liberal leaning or left leaning pro-life messaging. And they came up to us and they were really surprised and interested, actually interested in what we have to say. And so I think that for a lot of people, their guard was down a little bit when they were discussing this. And I heard so many people explicitly say, you know, bring up things like, well, our tax dollars are going to have to pay for all of these children born. If abortion is illegal and  [00:22:39] Emiliano Vera: they should have been doing that.  [00:22:41] Herb Geraghty: Well, so my thing Emiliano is that what, when they would say that almost every time, I would say. Do you really mean, do you really mean that? Do you really have a problem with poor people having more children? And they would sort of think about it for a moment and then, and then say, oh, no, no, no. Not if they want to, I don't mind if my tax dollars are paying for, you know, things like WIC and good programs that help you know, mothers and children and low-income families. However, in the back of their mind, they've sort of been told that that's one of the reasons that they need abortion. And I think that, or that we need abortion as a country. More particularly usually that poor women need abortion. But I think that it's interesting that that messaging is more subliminal now and that most of the people who are using it, I don't think actually mean it. I think that most of these people are actually sort of liberal minded and they, they, they are not. They are not actual eugenicists, but they have that sort of implicit bias against poor people having children that, that they haven't sufficiently unlearned yet. Because that eugenic rhetoric isn't at the forefront of the movement because they know it's embarrassing and they know it's something that they, you know, the leaders of the movement know that they need to hide it behind the euphemism of choice. [00:24:06] Emiliano Vera: Well, and I think you see lots of middle-aged and older people still using that, like more readily using that rhetoric because that was the rhetoric until probably like, like the early two thousands like that they, they didn't catch on to like, oh, maybe we're being a little bit too racist too, obviously racist and classist in our messaging until like probably. I mean, the, the, the coalition and that formed of the democratic party of being like, like liberal international capitalists with like some select human rights groups or like kind of issue based groups like that. Wasn't that wasn't and kind of like leaving unions and workers in the dust, like that wasn't really fully complete until the late nineties or early two thousands. So like the, just the material conditions for that coalition, where they would have to change their rhetoric to not be explicitly racist or eugenicist, like wasn't there until relatively recently. [00:25:27] Herb Geraghty: So, what have you felt like has been your experience sort of in your kind of personal life and in an online with the reaction to this decision? I guess both from pro-abortion people in your life and from pro-life people?  [00:25:45] Emiliano Vera: So I have been kind of a reticent to comment directly on, I mean, the, my, most of my interactions now with Americans are on social media. So I've been kind of cautious to say anything directly on social media, because I've been like, who is everyone is just kind of just blatantly repeating misinformation right now. And should I wait to let people be less mad for a little bit? Or like, does it like, you know, there are studies on this where, you know, responding to factually incorrect information with factually correct information to somebody who is just mad about something doesn't correct them. And so I've just kind of been watching and on the one hand, very, very proud of not just rehumanize and other kind of consistent life ethic groups, but also like even a lot of the more conservative pro-life groups that I, you know, agree with on abortion, but, you know, might not agree with on a lot of other things. I've been very encouraged by a lot of their statements. And I rehumanize signed on to a letter that was promoted by a whole huge spectrum of pro-life groups. You know, saying if, if Roe is overturned in abortion at some point does become illegal again that we do not want to see like women charged for crimes. And so I think that has been the,  [00:27:41] Herb Geraghty: and the people charged for crimes. There are people who have abortions charged for crimes. If a woman is an abortionist then she should be charged with the crime of.  [00:27:50] Emiliano Vera: So exactly. So, so pregnant, pregnant people who choose to have an abortion to acquire an abortion it should not be the ones who are facing the legal penalties of it. And just kind of general, very strong reaffirmations of, you know, love them both. We're here for the woman and the child and counteracting a lot of the very kind of negative and hysterical misinformation that is being promoted by the other side. And then there's, then there's the other side, you know, I running a lot of leftist circles and things like that, that To see them kind of promoting this, the type of classes and racist propaganda that is justifiable when talking about abortion and completely against everything that they stand for, everything every other time has just been very annoying discouraging. For me, especially since I gave up social media for lent, and this is like the first thing that happens, like right after I get back onto social media. And I'm like oh, I don't want to, I don't want to see you guys. But yeah just kind of a lot of nervous waiting, I guess for me.  [00:29:02] Herb Geraghty: Yeah, I'll agree. I think that I have pretty impressed with the kind of traditional mainstream pro-life movement in this moment. I think that there could be a tendency. Among some people or groups to want to take this moment to kind of gloat because the reality is like, we want, like, we're, we're winning. It looks like we're about, we're about to have a major victory in terms of the amount of organizing and work that has gone into, you know, creating a reality where this could be possible  [00:29:37] Emiliano Vera: it is an undeniably good thing. And I do think there is absolutely room for, you know, healthy celebration. Yeah, exactly.  [00:29:45] Herb Geraghty: I think I've seen that I've seen a healthy celebration and I haven't seen, and I've seen from most pro-life organizations and leaders. Really taking this moment to lead with compassion. And I appreciate that because I think that like we've been talking about right now, misinformation and, and really disinformation about what it will look like in a post Roe America is rampant. And I think that there are a lot of fears. I think that there's a lot of fear mongering going on. And as a result, a lot of. People in this country who have the capacity to get pregnant are scared when they're being told by people who they look up to that if you have a miscarriage, you could go to jail or that perhaps certain procedures like DNE for miscarriage or DNC for a miscarriage could be could be criminalized and therefore unavailable. And so you might die of sepsis for, you know, the, the crime of, of your child dying a natural death before they're born. And I think that I, I have been impressed with pro-life leaders, sort of calmly being able to respond to this information, this misinformation and show them that no, that's not what we're doing. I think that this letter that I am proud to have signed onto from national right to life, but very explicitly says not only. Do we not want laws that criminalize people for their pregnancy outcomes? We not only do we just hope that's not the case, but we, as pro-life leaders are going to work to ensure that is not the case. You know, we have connections with anti-abortion legislators and we're willing to hold their feet to the fire to ensure that our values of truly loving them, both aren't ignored in favor of sort of retributive prosecutorial mindset of just wanting to punish people who are in desperate situations and feel like abortion is their only option or people who have the, you know, the horrible, unfortunate reality of, of a miscarriage. And I think that I have been excited to be able to work with a diverse coalition of pro-life people from, you know, all different sorts of backgrounds and across the entire political spectrum, who've been able to come together and say, no, this work isn't over all row does let's turn it back to the states. And so of course the work isn't over because there's going to be plenty of states where abortion will still be legal and pre-born children will not be protected. So we're going to need to continue to work on making legislative change, but also our work isn't over because half of what the pro-life movement does, isn't legislative at all. It's about serving pregnant people in our communities and serving young families and young, pregnant uh, young young parenting people young parents, so that they don't feel like abortion as their only option. And I think that the pro-life movement has been doing that over these past few weeks, you know, This decision hasn't even been final yet. But you know, throughout this time there's still people in our communities who need our support. And so throughout all this time, pregnancy centers have still been operating. Maternity homes have still been operating. We've seen, I've been out on the sidewalk in front of abortion clinics, doing the regular sidewalk outreach that I do, and that I encourage everyone to do. If you have an abortion clinic in your community, which you likely do if you live in the United States that you know, this work is, is still needed, regardless of if the decision comes out the way we want it to, or not like the, the, the goal of actually making abortion unthinkable is something that is serious to pro-life leaders and pro-life community members. And I think that I have. Heartened to see that that work hasn't been just totally forgotten because we've had the, we've had this victory, or it appears as though we're about to have a victory within the next two months.  [00:33:56] Emiliano Vera: I think just as the pro-life movement has gotten more internationalized and less focused on just the United States. Especially with in the wake of some pretty devastating losses in Ireland, across Latin America. I think they're like the experiences of leaders there who were like, oh, we. Waited until way too late to start organizing this and assuming that just because the law was on our side, then we didn't have to have a mass movement behind us. And so I think there is definitely some good promise, I think in the reaction of pro-life organizations across the spectrum to the leak that, oh, like even if we like, quote unquote win in this, this time, like, that doesn't mean that we're just gonna, you know, pack it up anymore. Because one legislatively there's still other there's still other battles to fight across like literally every 50 states. But yeah, that there are social aspects to the pro-life work that's still need to be done and still people that still needs to be advocated. And I think, yeah, that's kind of what caught lat America by surprise is just that, you know, all you need is a majority of judges. One time basically to, to implement abortion laws and it, if you're not ready for it, then you're going to get taken off guard and organizing after the fact is too late. [00:35:32] Herb Geraghty: Yeah. Yup. And I mean, in terms of our work, not being done, just look at the mission of rehumanize even if the decision came down and abortion was illegal across the United States you know, there, there of course would be all of that work of still supporting pregnant people in our community. But our work as a consistent life ethic movement, like that's only one issue to tick off the list. We still have war and the death penalty and police brutality and torture and euthanasia and all forms of violent discrimination and abuse. So I think, I think that this continues to be a moment of celebration while, and a moment of optimistic celebration, because we're hopeful that the decision will come out sooner than later. Probably around June, the end of June. But you know, The, the moment of celebration really can only be a short moment before we get back to work. I know, you know, even at the Rehumanize team were sort of planning out our summer and this Dobbs decision being up in the air makes planning things hard because we know that if the decision does come out on a random Monday, we're going to need to mobilize immediately and get all of our supporters out there to continue representing and doing this work and demonstrating for, you know, for the unborn and for this movement. But we also have plenty of other stuff that we're doing this summer. Even outside of abortion, we have two anti-war conferences that we are you know, partnering with and, and and participating in, we have an anti-death penalty week of action. That's going to be if Roe V Wade gets, or if the Dobbs decision gets decided at the end of June, when we think it will be. That next day, I'm going to start the an anti-death penalty week of action which is going to be a total whirlwind because I'm sure that things will be very busy and picking up after the Dobbs decision does finally come out. So all of us to say that there, there just is so much work to be done on all of these issues. And so yes, take this moment to celebrate, but more importantly, figure out what it is that you can be doing within this movement or within other movements or within your own community to serve the needs that, that aren't being met. And to advocate for justice, for, to advocate for justice and for human rights for all human beings. Yeah.  [00:38:02] Emiliano Vera: So you've been doing a lot of the. Talking to the media talking to counter protestors, or I don't know, maybe you guys are considered the counter protesters. What what, how do you talk to people? This is something that I'm usually great at, but I have found myself, like, not like, I, I don't think that I would be able to, I feel like I won't be able to help the narrative very much right now while it feels so heated in charge. But then I asked myself, you know, we'll ever be able to say anything again, because like, it's always going to be human in charge now during this entire battle. So like for, I, I think it's going to be very uncomfortable for especially people in. Either more liberal or leftist pro-life groups or in the consistent life ethic. Where probably like we have a lot, like the majority of our friends are, you know, other liberal leftist people who are pro-choice like what do we do? How do we, how do we like bring this up? When it's so just heated, but also just filled with disinformation.  [00:39:25] Herb Geraghty: Yeah. So I think it depends heavily on context. I think that I have been having a lot of very sort of high conflict conversations lately because I've been out, you know, doing this kind of rehumanizing discourse with the people who are passionate enough to show up to a protest. For abortion. And so I think that those conversations are going to be a lot different than people then conversations with people who you might have already in your life. So I can say for the conversations that I've had, it's been really important to take our breath and to actually listen to what the other side is saying. I think that I have had people come up to me and, you know, sort of come up to me. And some of the people in our team who have been, you know, holding signs and demonstrating in these, these moments of more calm during protests, or even after protests when things are dying down and come up and say, Hey, I really just want to talk. I want to hear your perspective. And then they ask me. You know, well, why are you against abortion? And I begin speaking and I say, well, so I believe that it should be illegal to kill human beings. And the scientific consensus is that, and then I can't even begin to sort of, you know, make my argument for why I'm anti-abortion, which, you know, if you want, the, the totality of you can go to rehumanizeintl.org/abortion.  But essentially that, you know, the scientific community is out of consensus. We see that the unborn is undeniably a human being. They are living their whole, they are genetically distinct, and I believe it should be illegal to kill human beings. And I see abortion as, you know, a part of that. And so it should be illegal. And that, you know, there's a lot of other nuances that you need to have in the conversation, but that's kind of my, my main pitch that I make to start the conversation. But I have found that in, in probably most of the conversations that I've had, I'm not even able to get. A fifth word in my main argument before, you know, the person who approached me to have a conversation sort of snaps back and starts yelling at me. What about rape? What about miscarriage? What about this? You think women should go to jail? You think this, you, Donald Trump said this, your movements as this sort of like a lot of, you know, just sudden reactions that I think are caused by pain and fear because of, you know, the misinformation and the perception that they have of the pro-life movement. And so it's been really important for me to, to really not kind of snap back in the way that might be natural to me. When someone is lying about me to my face saying that I've voted for Donald Trump and I support all these policies that I don't support and that I, that I do there. And then I, yada yada. You know, it's easy for me to want to say, no, I didn't shut up. You're wrong. But I've had to remind myself that these people often are coming from a place of fear and have a really serious distrust for the pro-life movement. And so I think that listening to their concerns and affirming their concerns has been important in this moment. You know, for the people who I tell you, the criminalization of miscarriage has come up in 100% of the conversations that I've had with people on the ground. And so I don't know if that's actually reflective of this wider moment, but I think that it's really been telling to me. And I, I think I sort of have seen pro-life people online respond to that kind of thing with like an eye roll emoji, like, oh, come on, no one wants to criminalize miscarriage, like, you know, kind of diminishing their concerns and talking over them. And I, and I believe, you know, that's just not a very nice way to communicate with people, but it's also less effective because I, I have had these conversations where, you know, if someone tells me, I am really concerned that I'm going to have a miscarriage and then not be able to, you know, have that child removed in a DNC procedure or, you know, whatever needs to be done, or I'm going to have enough topic pregnancy, and it's going to be illegal for me to it's going to be illegal to get treatment for that, which will lead to my death. Like that is a real fear that a lot of women have. Based on the misinformation that they've been fed from the, the abortion industrial complex and from the media on this. And so I think that hearing them out and actually listening to them and sort of nodding along and making it clear, like, yeah, no, that, that is really scary. I'm really sorry that, that, that you're afraid of that. And then once they, you know, sort of tire themselves out at yelling at you from yelling at you about that responding, can I let you know, like ask, actually asking them, can I let you know what I think about that? And actually what the laws that have been proposed and what the trigger laws that are already on the books that are going to go into effect once Roe is overturned. Can I tell you what those actually say? I hear that you're very scared and I want to let you know that we in the pro-life. I don't want that and that our legislators don't want that. And that if there ever are legislators who are working to do things like criminalized treatment of atopic pregnancies or miscarriage management, that we will be with you, and that we are with you in saying absolutely not, we never want a person to go to jail for experiencing the loss of their child, whether it's through, you know, an atopic pregnancy that needs to be at ended or through a natural miscarriage or through, you know, one of those other thing procedures that can be called abortions by certain medical companies. But when we're talking, when the pro-life movement is talking about abortion, we're talking about elective abortions in which we are intentionally ending the life of a living human child.  [00:45:31] Emiliano Vera: The the, the, the term in romance languages to just be like a lot clearer. So it's in Spanish and French. It's a voluntary interruption of pregnancy. Wow.  [00:45:45] Herb Geraghty: That is mine because that is the heart of yeah. In  [00:45:50] Emiliano Vera: In Spanish, aborto means and any, any like premature ending of a pregnancy, natural or unnatural. So like the the, the legal language and like the, the language that is officially used, I think lots of times, actually more in Europe than in Latin America where like American influence has allowed, like the word just aborted the abortion to like be the, the main word. And then also like with all of the confusions that come along with it, because abortion, abortion means everything rather than. Or it's like it's equivalent in French, which is like what the laws actually say, but like that. And like it uses the, the the abbreviation IBE and like that I feel just linguistically it gives a lot more clarity about, you know, what the, what the actual procedure that we are discussing is.  [00:46:50] Herb Geraghty: Yeah. Yeah, because that is, I think these linguistic differentiation. Are extremely important and often overlooked by pro-life people. Because I think that I know people who have had a natural miscarriage and then they are totally just served and upset to find that when they get a bill back from the hospital, it says that they had an abortion because technically speaking for a lot of insurance companies and in the medical field, natural miscarriages are spontaneous abortions. And then the, the kind of natural stigma that is attached to abortion. And of course there should be a stigma against abortion because it is an act of violence. That stigma is carried over to women who have natural miscarriages which there should be no stigma about like, that's just a horrible, natural death and, you know, we mourn with them. And so I think that. The abortion industry and the sort of pundits who push pro-abortion rhetoric, they intentionally take that confusion and that unfortunate linguistic situation where there isn't a clear word for elective abortion, for a reason not to save the life of the mother and that the pop culture pop in pop culture. We mainly just call that abortion. They take that and they intentionally stoke that fear and try to push the narrative that pro-life people want to criminalize things like treatment for ectopic pregnancy, and miscarriage or stillbirth. And I think that, you know, to finish my earlier thought, what is important right now is correcting that misinformation. But doing so in a compassionate way that recognizes. Yeah. If you believe that people are trying to criminalize miscarriage, that is really scary. I can understand why you are screaming at me right now. And you're so upset with me if you really think that's what I believe. Let me demonstrate to you how that isn't true. And let me commit to you that I'm on your side when it comes to this issue. And that I am going as a pro-life leader, I am going to work to ensure that no legislator thinks that it is ever appropriate to criminalize these pregnancy outcomes. And so I think that that has been really important, like getting past that, those, those initial fears and reservations about overturning Roe V Wade, before I can really actually talk about my position on abortion, which of course is that it is an act of violence and that it should be illegal. But you have to be able to get people to that place where they are ready for, you know, the kind of difficult work of re-examining, you know, your deeply held political views on, on this issue. And you need to get them to trust you that you, you know, you are not this caricature of, you know, the, the evil right-wing legislator in Texas who just wants to send women to jail for having abortions or for having miscarriages or for you know, whatever. I think that this moment for me has really been about deescalating, a lot of conversations and reminding myself and honestly reminding them sometimes like that. We're all just people here that I have a particular political position and. Particular political position. I do not think that you are evil for supporting abortion. I think that most people who support abortion deeply care about the rights of women and people who can get pregnant and that they are concerned for their wellbeing. And I think that most of them haven't considered enough about the rights of the unborn child. And I think that our work is often, you know, educating them about the science of embryology and fetal development and the reality of what takes place during an abortion procedure and the horror that takes place during that act of violence. But you know, making it clear to them that I don't think that they're stupid or evil for disagreeing with me on this. I think it's likely that they may be misinformed and that they may be repeating misinformation and correcting it when necessary. But that I think that we should be able to come together and find common ground. I mean, things like how to better support pregnant and parenting people, whether or not abortion is illegal. And, and those sort of, you know, public policies as well as private charity and the different work that needs to be done in order to create a culture of life where regardless of if abortion is legal or not, people are supported in their pregnancies and in their choice to, to choose life. And I think that highlighting common ground and working with people to, to really rehumanize this discourse and to rehumanize, you know, people on the other side of the aisle, whether that is, you know, the pro-abortion person or their perception of us as pro-life people has been the primary goal. I think that I haven't had a lot of really strong. Pro-life conversions in this moment because tensions are so high. However I have, and I, and I've seen my team members who are out in, you know, even better at me, even better than me doing this discourse talking to these people and I'm seeing them plant seeds that at least can sort of give people a little bit of ease that we are not slipping into some sort of Handmaid's tale, dystopia, where you know, women are going to be oppressed and you know, all of our privacy rights and all of our rights are under attack that the people standing on the other side of the issue than you, if you're a pro-abortion person. Our justice minded. They're deeply concerned about the rights of children and they are also deeply concerned about the wellbeing and welfare of their parents. And, and looking for those places where we can come together and support people. Again, and I keep saying sort of like, regardless of if abortion is on the table or not, because whether or not abortion is legal, those needs are still going to be there. And I think that we need to pro-life people, especially recommit ourselves in this moment to the service that we already do for people in those difficult pregnancy circumstances.  [00:53:39] Emiliano Vera: Yeah. And also like. It's frustrating to me because I think this could be, and you know, we're doing the work, you're doing the work more on the ground than I am. I'm just sitting at my computer and writing blog posts. I keep, I keep mentioning this, but everybody watch out for my upcoming thorough economic analysis of the function of abortion to the capitalist class and how it relates to the racist policies of incarceration and defunding of the welfare state after the 1970s. But like this, the thing that frustrates me is that this could be a moment to discuss, you know, if the media wanted to be honest, how you know, like, what is it, 70% of people They always say that two thirds of people want a row to be upheld. They don't say that, you know, when you actually explain the trimester system, like two thirds of people support putting a limit on abortion to the end of the first trimester and that's which Roe prevents explicitly for those of you don't, who don't know Roe makes abortion effectively legal out all well low-brow and then Casey effectively makes abortion legal throughout all nine months of pregnancy. Definitely up until the end of the second trimester. And then after that basically state by state. And so that, that is like wild. Out of step with public opinion which generally sees like even people who consider themselves just kind of, I would say like naturally you're apolitical pro-choice of like, ah, we shouldn't mess with people too much. The end of the first trimester is where people tend to draw the line of when it's permissible to have abortion, which is also incidentally the line that most European countries draw. So like rather than like allowing us to have a a discourse in which we acknowledged, like the broad overlap like let's say like two-thirds of what we're saying. Like most people agree on it's just like this hyper partisan, like narrowing in, on a very tiny. Minority of cases and a very tiny minority of what people think is allowable and permissible. You had a much more hopeful wrapping up to this than I did  [00:56:20] Herb Geraghty: now. It's like, I, I mean, I think the whole thing is hopeful. I think that, like right now, we're kind of, you know, it's, it's easy to kind of get in the weeds of exactly what next steps are, but this is a very hopeful moment. Like I think that life wins. I think that, you know, I'm never going to forget. Being, I was in an Airbnb with a bunch of pro-life friends already. And we were actually making signs or a different thing, a different pro-life event that we were planning that had to be canceled. And I guess, postponed because then the decision was leaked and suddenly we had to respond to that instead. But you know, being surrounded by, you know, this community of pro-lifers, you know, I was with people, someone was as young as I think, 20 years old. And then there was also a 16 year old that joined us later that night. And then as old as someone who I believe was like 74 and then, you know, just seeing this totally diverse group of people come together. When I think I was the first person to get the news, cause Maria Oswalt who is just chronically online sent me the link cause she saw it immediately and sent it to me. And so I read it and I think I read it and I didn't really understand it until I was like halfway through the article exactly what the implications of this were. And so I said it out loud and then sent it to everyone in the room and we all silently read the article for you know, about five minutes. And then we were like, okay, so we got to get to the court. And so I think like since then I really have been in that. Kind of moment of, again, celebration and joy and jubilation that finally, it looks like we're going to see some justice for the 63 million plus children who have been killed by the abortion regime in this country. And so I think that, you know, as we're going, as I've said, and we're going to have to keep saying and doing the work is not done. But this is certainly a moment of incredible joy and hope. And I am excited to, to be a part of it with all of my, all of my friends and all of the people in my life who have, you know, like, you know, Mike who was there and was in the seventies who have been working on this, some of them for like 50 years to see this moment and to be there and, you know, like I'm on the bandwagon or I've only been in the movement for like six years and I, I get to be on the winning side. So that rocks. But to, to be with this community of justice minded, human centered human rights, activists who are seeing a victory. I mean, it's, it, it is a moment of extreme joy and extreme hope. And you know, of course the work doesn't end here and we, and we need to continue this fight in, you know, on many fronts, but overall optimism, joy, et cetera. So that's a, that's a happy thought to end this episode of the Rehumanize podcast on I hope that we get it edited and out in time before Roe actually does come down. Because again, we don't exactly know when that's gonna happen. Which is such an interesting policy about like the Supreme court just refuses to let us know when they release their, their decisions. But my guess is it's going to be in late June. Other people feel differently, but that I'm, I'm pretty sure it's going to be in late June. So don't quote me on that, but I will, we'll see, I guess,  [00:59:48] Emiliano Vera: amen. A woman in any of them. I I'm a yeah, well, let's see. What's going on. Let's see what is going on by the time this podcast comes out because who knows? I am just very, very grateful in this moment to Be really, it seems like on the, on the right side of history like fighting for adjust, cause that looks like it's going to win. Which is like not always a, it's a really weird, really weird spot to be in sometimes when you usually see yourself, like on the losing side, lots of times. And it's, it's cool to not just be, you know, like treading water or, you know, trying to swim upstream, but actually going with the current of history. So yeah. Any other, any other thoughts before we close up?  [01:00:49] Herb Geraghty: I don't think so. I think I'm exhausted. I think that I need a day or two, cause I really, we have been going nonstop since this decision has come out. And so I'm excited to see. To take a break, to take a breath, to look at a lot of the, the work that we've put out to find all of the interviews that I did outside the court that I that I haven't seen yet and compile them and to then just sort of get back to the work that we, that we already have been doing. I know you say you're working on your article for life matters journal and the Rehumanize blogs. So hopefully that'll be out soon and I'm excited to see that. I'm also just excited to, to recommit myself to the other issues. I think that in these past few weeks, this news has been so huge and so abortion has been front and center in my mind. But during this time there's been one execution and there has been one scheduled execution that. Today as of recording was stayed. And so I think that, you know, this work of the consistent life ethic movement is is ongoing and we don't really have time to take a break or get distracted by just one of these issues because you know, the rest of the world is still moving. And there are, there's work to be done on all of the many fronts that we that we see as consistent life ethic activists. And so my, my next step, and the next thing I'm doing is I'm editing an article about the death penalty. 'cause that's, that's the second thing on my mind after abortion. And then I'm sure there's going to be some horrible news about euthanasia or  [01:02:24] Emiliano Vera: and invite in Yemen. Sorry. Biden does reinvaded Somalia as well today, so,  [01:02:29] Herb Geraghty: okay. I haven't been on Twitter and the flowers, so I didn't even know that. And so I'm sure we're going to have to respond to that ongoing violence in Ukraine and NATO expansion and all of these things that we are deeply concerned about. And so. But it is nice to have  [01:02:45] Emiliano Vera: a win on like the thing that's just like the biggest numerically.  [01:02:48] Herb Geraghty: That's true. It's very nice. It's nice to have a wind period where see, you know, like you said, oh, Biden invaded another country that I didn't even hear about because I,  [01:02:58] Emiliano Vera: for all of the listeners who are not fans of Trump, I, I, including me just yeah. Point out that Biden reinvented a country that Trump pulled out from. So there is our little dose of late, late capitalist contradiction today.  [01:03:15] Herb Geraghty: Thank you, Emiliano. So I think with that, I think it's clear that we have a bunch of work to do so we should sign off from the Rehumanize podcast and then go get to that work. Let's go do the work. All right. We're taking. Take a nap and then do the work. All right. Thank you everyone for listening. Peace.

In this episode, our hosts Herb Geraghty and Emiliano Vera are joined by the founders of Rehumanize DMV (DC/Maryland Virginia), Savannah and Ryan, to discuss their experience launching a Rehumanize chapter in the middle of the pandemic.   Follow Rehumanize DMV on all social media platforms at @RehumanizeDMV. Learn more about Rehumanize International at rehumanizeintl.org.

Made Perfect, Part 2: Peter and Susannah discuss Aimee Murphy's Rehumanize, an organization dedicated to a consistent life ethic, and the intersection between the pro-life movement and the disability rights movement. How does the utilitarian obsession with quality of life and rejection of those who suffer attack the dignity of all of us? And how can an awareness of the existence of sufferers pull us out of our own meritocratic prisons? Then, the hosts talk with Ross Douthat about his chronic Lyme disease and the way that official science can be limited. What does the experience of suffering teach us about the reality of the divine, and how do these liminal states open us up to transcendent reality? Read the transcript. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Imagine a workplace where each person feels that they're bringing their best selves to work each day. They leave the workday feeling supported, inspired, and heard. But is this happening? In this episode, we talk with Dr. Rosie Ward, about how to rehumanize the workplace in a world that is rapidly becoming more complex with disruptions being the norm. Do employees feel comfortable taking risks and expressing themselves without fear of embarrassment or retribution? Will discuss the five key re-humanizing principles that thriving organizations are using to help future proof your organization

I this episode, Blaine draws heavily from author and friend, Ethan Beute's, book, Rehumanize Your Business, and talks about the value of using voice and video to convey our most important messages over using plain text emails and texts.     

Ethan Beute is a marketing strategist with a focus on messaging and branding. He is a bestselling author and podcast host - and the Chief Evangelist at BombBomb, a service that makes it easy to record, send and track personalized videos. Ethan and I discuss the themes in his first book titled “Rehumanize Your Business”, co-authored with Stephen Pacinelli. Guest: Ethan Beute | https://www.linkedin.com/in/ethanbeute/ Host and Producer: Tim Hampton | https://www.linkedin.com/in/thetimhampton/ Virtual voice over https://www.nuance.com/ Music | Consequences by Nihilore https://youtu.be/BaWaucm-ewc --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/unusuallywellinformed/message

As the founder of the Shari Levitin Group, Shari has helped create over 1 billion dollars in increased revenue for companies in over 40 countries teaching her authentic, heartfelt approach. Shari is the bestselling author of Heart and Sell: 10 Universal Truths Every Salesperson Needs to Know, a contributor to Forbes, CEO Magazine, and Huffington Post.   Additionally, Shari has been recognized as follows: ●     Top 100 Global Inspirational Leader for 2021 by PeopleHum ●     Top 50 Keynote Speakers for 2020 by Top Sales World ●     Top Ten Voices in Sales for 2018 for LinkedIn ●     20 sales experts who starred in the Salesforce documentary film "The Story of Sales.” ●     Top 35 Most Influential Women in Sales globally (Sales Hacker) ●     2020 Gold Medal Winner for Top Post by Top Sales World ●     Top 30 authors and books to read by Vengreso, the largest digital transformation company in the U.S ●     Guest lecturer at Harvard University where her book was chosen as the textbook for selling for the Strategic Selling Program Shari, her husband, and son live in Park City, Utah. When she is not creating killer content, and presenting at sales kick-offs, Shari enjoys skiing, rock climbing, reading, and standing on her head. Links www.sharilevitin.com https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6770133385466785792/

Episode 62 covers The Police's fourth studio album, 1981's "Ghost in the Machine." The album was released on 2 October 1981 by A&M Records. The songs were recorded between January and September 1981 during sessions that took place at AIR Studios in Montserrat and Le Studio in Quebec, assisted by record producer Hugh Padgham. Ghost in the Machine topped the UK Albums Chart and peaked at number two on the US Billboard 200. The album produced the highly successful singles "Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic", "Invisible Sun", and "Spirits in the Material World", with a fourth single, "Secret Journey", also being released in the US. Ghost in the Machine was listed at number 322 on Rolling Stone's list of the 500 greatest albums of all time. Mark, Kevin, Alex, and Chris take you on a historical journey surrounding the album as well as share our favorites and not-so favorites from the record. We go on a deep dive track-by-track listen of this album as well as share personal stories of discovering The Police's "Zenyattà Mondatta." Tune in next week for Episode 63 covering the fifth and final Police studio album "Synchronicity."Available at https://lightthesky.net/podcasts/the-police/ghost-in-the-machine/ and on all podcast streaming platforms (just search "Light the Sky Podcast.")Follow "Light the Sky Podcast" on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook to stay up-to-date with all things LTS.LTS Website: https://lightthesky.net/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lighttheskypodcast/Twitter: https://twitter.com/LighttheSkyPod1Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/LightTheSkyPodcast/

As the pandemic wanes and the world goes back to work, employees are re-evaluating their life and career goals. Furthermore, the great global reset has offered leaders the opportunity to transform and rehumanize workplaces by introducing healthy practices into the corporate culture. To explore the ways leaders can increase their chances of retaining and hiring the best and brightest thinkers and doers for their organizations by creating climates of wellbeing and joy, Positive Psychology Podcast Host Lisa Cypers Kamen speaks with two authors who are experts in expelling toxicity from the workplace. Rosie Ward describes the key principles from her book Rehumanizing the Workplace: Future-Proofing Your Organization While Restoring Hope, Well-Being, and Performance and how individuals can ground and reset before reentering the workplace after the pandemic. And, Alan Willett, a Fortune 500 preferred consultant for leadership coaching, details the essential components of his two leadership books, Leading the Unleadable: How to Manage Mavericks, Cynics, Divas, and Other Difficult People & Lead with Speed: Fire Up Your Team, Power Your Engines of Development, and Make Your Organization Soar.

In this episode, hosts Herb Geraghty and Emiliano Vera are joined by the founder of Rehumanize International, Aimee Murphy, to celebrate the organization's tenth anniversary. They reminisce over the last decade of Rehumanize's existence and chat about their hopes for the future. — Learn more about Rehumanize International: www.rehumanizeintl.org.    

Let's do the thing - great rock (QOTSA all day), great crashes (who needed that yacht), earth-shaking stamping mills, loads of government graft on the back of fraudulent electric transit unicorn farts, the mystery of disappearing nuke plants, and 'You Can't Quit Me Baby". While we're at it: Gillig Phantoms, dump trucks, sinkholes, Arby's, Miata VS Mustang, and if you know what you're doing, why can't you do it?

Let's do the thing - great rock (QOTSA all day), great crashes (who needed that yacht), earth-shaking stamping mills, loads of government graft on the back of fraudulent electric transit unicorn farts, the mystery of disappearing nuke plants, and 'You Can't Quit Me Baby". While we're at it: Gillig Phantoms, dump trucks, sinkholes, Arby's, Miata VS Mustang, and if you know what you're doing, why can't you do it?

Become a Founding Members of the Future Generations Community here: https://thefuturegen.com/community    Join our email list here: http://thefuturegen.com Remember to Rate, Review and Subscribe on iTunes and Follow us on Spotify Follow us on Instagram: @futuregenpodcast   In this episode, we highlight what we currently know about the CV19 shot specifically as it relates the anaphylaxis, the effects of the spike protein, the effects of the anti-spike antibody, effects to the immune system (antibody dependent enhancement, pathogenic priming etc.) but also graphene oxide, 5G/EMFs, and magnetism. We do not consider this an exhaustive lists of effects but what many experts I have learned from have reported. We end this episode with a lot of hope, possibility and PURPOSE.    Important Links:  Register for Dr. Tenpenny's 20 Mechanisms of Injury Workshop here COVID Shot affecting Women https://mamm.org/could-their-shot-be-harming-you/  COVID Shot and Infertility https://mamm.org/covid-shots-and-infertility/ COVID Shot and Transmission https://mamm.org/covid-shot-transmission-protection/  DARKHORSE Podcast with Inventor of mRNA technology: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/mrna-technology-covid-vaccine-lipid-nanoparticles-accumulate-ovaries/ OpenVAERS.com: https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data CDC Vaccine Ingredients: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf Graphene Oxide in Vaccines: https://brandnewtube.com/watch/graphene-oxide-in-the-vaccines_UVcRF61lzIheX7r.html  Graphene Oxide and Neurology: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnsys.2018.00012/full  Key Episodes from the Future Generations Podcast:  Episode 010: Dr. Sherri Tenpenny: This is a Spiritual Mission – Be Courageous and Build that Armor! here Episode 42: @covid19vaccinereactions: Concerned Dad turned Global Activist for Health Freedom here Episode 49: Tiffany Parotto: What is this Jab doing to our Women? here Episode 050: Dr. Larry Palevsky: If You Give Your Kids This Injection, Don't Expect to have Grandchildren? here Episode 051: @covid19vaccinereactions: Rehumanize the Story of Vaccine Injury: here ____________________ Stay Connected with the Future Generations Podcast:  Instagram: @futuregenpodcast, @thefuturegensd  and @dr.stantonhom Facebook: Future Generations Podcast and Future Generations | Clinic of Chiropractic  Website: Future Generations | Clinic of Chiropractic    Remember to Rate, Review and Subscribe on iTunes and Follow us on Spotify!

Become a Founding Members of the Future Generations Community here: https://thefuturegen.com/community    Join our email list here: http://thefuturegen.com Remember to Rate, Review and Subscribe on iTunes and Follow us on Spotify Follow us on Instagram: @futuregenpodcast   In this episode, we highlight what we currently know about the CV19 shot specifically as it relates the anaphylaxis, the effects of the spike protein, the effects of the anti-spike antibody, effects to the immune system (antibody dependent enhancement, pathogenic priming etc.) but also graphene oxide, 5G/EMFs, and magnetism. We do not consider this an exhaustive lists of effects but what many experts I have learned from have reported. We end this episode with a lot of hope, possibility and PURPOSE.    Important Links:  Register for Dr. Tenpenny's 20 Mechanisms of Injury Workshop here COVID Shot affecting Women https://mamm.org/could-their-shot-be-harming-you/  COVID Shot and Infertility https://mamm.org/covid-shots-and-infertility/ COVID Shot and Transmission https://mamm.org/covid-shot-transmission-protection/  DARKHORSE Podcast with Inventor of mRNA technology: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/mrna-technology-covid-vaccine-lipid-nanoparticles-accumulate-ovaries/ OpenVAERS.com: https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data CDC Vaccine Ingredients: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf Graphene Oxide in Vaccines: https://brandnewtube.com/watch/graphene-oxide-in-the-vaccines_UVcRF61lzIheX7r.html  Graphene Oxide and Neurology: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnsys.2018.00012/full  Key Episodes from the Future Generations Podcast:  Episode 010: Dr. Sherri Tenpenny: This is a Spiritual Mission – Be Courageous and Build that Armor! here Episode 42: @covid19vaccinereactions: Concerned Dad turned Global Activist for Health Freedom here Episode 49: Tiffany Parotto: What is this Jab doing to our Women? here Episode 050: Dr. Larry Palevsky: If You Give Your Kids This Injection, Don't Expect to have Grandchildren? here Episode 051: @covid19vaccinereactions: Rehumanize the Story of Vaccine Injury: here _______________________ Stay Connected with the Future Generations Podcast:  Instagram: @futuregenpodcast, @thefuturegensd  and @dr.stantonhom Facebook: Future Generations Podcast and Future Generations | Clinic of Chiropractic  Website: Future Generations | Clinic of Chiropractic    Remember to Rate, Review and Subscribe on iTunes and Follow us on Spotify!

Join our email list here: http://thefuturegen.com Get your copy of the Heart of Freedom 2 recordings here   Remember to Rate, Review and Subscribe on iTunes and Follow us on Spotify Follow us on Instagram: @futuregenpodcast   In this episode, @covid19vaccinereactions shares how impactful the work of grassroots health freedom activism can be. He was called upon by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Children's Health Defense to provide real stories of real people injured by the COVID-19 Injection for a press conference held by Senator Ron Johnson and NFL Hall of Fame and former Green Bay Packer Ken Ruettgers.   We go through name by name of the included injury stories with ages ranging from 12 to 91 and injuries ranging from severe neurological damage, myocarditis and death. To date, there have been over 6000 deaths reported to VAERS all of which are of real people with real lives and families that have never truly been seen, heard or acknowledged by anyone outside of our movement. This episode aims to re-humanize these stories.    He has now been  deplatformed 9 times as of this recording having up to 152,000 followers in his largest account and continues to come back, represent the silenced and continue to make a global impact.    Stay Connected with @covid19vaccinereactions Websites:  https://covidvaccinereactions.com Check out the document containing reported injuries/deaths here Instagram: @igistheabsoluteworst Press Conference:  https://www.facebook.com/fox6news/videos/830333957889641 https://rumble.com/vj79qt-press-conference-with-families-speaking-out-about-adverse-vaccine-reactions.html  Ken Ruettgers' Site: https://c19vaxreactions.com Circle of Mamas: https://circleofmamas.com/  Tiffany Parotto's Study: https://mycyclestory.com Injection Injury/Reaction/Death Sheet: here Read Fountain Head News from the Palmer School of Chiropractic (1919): here   ______________________________   Stay Connected with the Future Generations Podcast:  Instagram: @futuregenpodcast, @thefuturegensd  and @drstantonhom_  Facebook: Future Generations Podcast and Future Generations | Clinic of Chiropractic  Website: Future Generations | Clinic of Chiropractic  Remember to Rate, Review and Subscribe on iTunes and Follow us on Spotify!

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This is the first episode with our new co-host: Rehumanize board member Emiliano Vera! Emiliano and Herb are joined in this episode by Xavier Bisits, Vice President of Democrats for Life of America; they discuss the challenges and benefits of running for office as a Consistent Life Ethic candidate. — Learn more about Rehumanize International at rehumanizeintl.org!

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In this episode, Herb is joined by Hannah Cox, National Manager of Conservatives Concerned about the Death Penalty, to discuss the various flaws in the death penalty system that have led many conservatives to work for its abolition. Tune in on Spotify, iTunes, or from our website at http://rehumanizeintl.org/podcast. —  Intro/outro music: "Belize," by Monty Datta. https://montydatta.bandcamp.com/track/belize  — Learn more about Rehumanize International at rehumanizeintl.org!   —   Transcription: Maria Oswalt: Hello and welcome to Episode 15 of the Rehumanize podcast. Herb Geraghty: Hello and welcome to the Rehumanize podcast. I am joined today by Hannah Cox, who works with conservatives concerned about the death penalty. Herb Geraghty: Her work has led to the repeal of the death penalty in two states while supporting dozens of Republican lawmakers to sponsor repeal bills across the country. Herb Geraghty: I am excited for Hannah to join us because as with every issue within the consistent life ethic that Rehumanize works on, people oppose the death penalty for a lot of different reasons. And I feel like to me at least, the arguments that conservatives concerned about the death penalty bring to the table are actually some of the strongest. So welcome, Hannah. Hannah Cox: Thanks so much for having me. Herb Geraghty: So I guess my first question is just simply, why should conservatives be concerned about the death penalty? Hannah Cox: Well, like you mentioned, there's just so many problems with it, so I'm often asked, what's the number one issue? What's the number one problem with it that's making people change their mind on the right? And I don't think it's truly any different than the issues that are presented on the left, honestly. I just think that for a long time, people weren't being presented with the information about how the system functioned, and so there were a lot of people that sort of had a knee jerk reaction to the death penalty. There were many people, and I used to be one of them, who thought that it was needed, that it deterred crime, that it was something murder victims' family members would want, that it saved money. And none of those things are actually correct. But as a whole, it just took a bit of time to really get that data, get those stories in front of people. And usually when we do, we see a lot of people pretty quickly move away from supporting it. So, you know, the same old issues come up. Hannah Cox: Of course, I think the innocence problems in the system get a lot of people's attention. As we've moved more into the age of information, people have become more aware of just how frequently we're finding wrongful convictions in the system. And I think they're starting to recognize that when we do find them, it's usually not the result of the system working. Hannah Cox: It's not the result of the government catching its own errors. It's actually usually thanks to the pro bono work of outside groups like the Innocence Project coming in and combing back over these cases. And it's quite hard to overturn a wrongful conviction. So I think that, in and of itself, is enough for a lot of people to turn their back on it. We've had one person exonerated for every nine executions in this country. That's terrifying. That's a lot of wrongful convictions. We know, with that rate, we execute innocent people every year. Every year there's a new case that comes up in the states where most people believe the person to be killed is innocent. And we see a lot of those go through. And so I think that's probably the biggest issue. But there's just so many problems with it that kind of move on down from there, whether you're getting into how much it costs, the lack of a deterrent effect, the opportunity cost where we're wasting hundreds of millions of dollars on the system across the country every year when it doesn't work--it doesn't provide a deterrent. It doesn't provide the services the victims and their families largely need. And so that's an opportunity cost. That's money that we're spending that should be redirected toward things that actually would prevent violence, towards solving more crime, which we still do a very bad job at, or towards giving victims the services that they actually need to find healing and to begin to repair their lives. Herb Geraghty: I think something that's so important about the work that you guys do, other than just sort of getting the information out there, is working with lawmakers in sort of red states that I think a lot of people outside of the movement might assume would all be, you know, pro death penalty [and] tough on crime in the strongest ways possible. But you guys have made a lot of headway in the state legislatures, where it really matters. Hannah Cox: Yeah, we've found incredible success in the past couple of years. I think politics flows downstream from culture. And so when you really start seeing the large number of Republicans that we work with sponsoring bills to get rid of the death penalty, I think that shows you where the culture is on this issue. And we're really kind of hitting a crescendo effect at the moment. We've had, I think, 10 or 11 states in the past year that have had close to 60 Republican lawmakers signed on as sponsors to repeal the death penalty. And, of course, hundreds of others have voted in favor of those bills on the right. And so not only are Republicans opposed to the death penalty in large numbers at this point, but they're actually the ones really championing and leading at many of the state legislatures and doing so successfully. They were the difference makers in the New Hampshire campaign two years ago. They were the difference makers in the Colorado campaign this year. We've been successful two years in a row now at overturning the death penalty. And we have every reason to anticipate that trend will continue in the next year with either Wyoming or Ohio. Hannah Cox: And so there's a lot of exciting stuff happening at the state level. Herb Geraghty: So I think I want to talk about, sort of, the reasons that you think conservatives might support the death penalty, and why they shouldn't. Because I think to me, the one that I hear a lot from people who maybe haven't been exposed to all the research is that it should save money. That by killing people, we're not paying to keep them in prison forever, and so it saves money to just kill them and move on with it. But I've seen data that suggests that's not true. Hannah Cox: Yeah, nothing could actually be further from the truth, but it certainly is an old stereotype. And I think, again, it's largely held by people who just haven't actually been that close to the system. They haven't really done any research into the policy. You know, unlike some more complicated policies that people maybe refrain from having an opinion on when they know they don't have enough information, the death penalty can be a very emotional issue for people. And so it's one that I think a lot of people maybe have a knee jerk reaction to, make assumptions about, and they don't actually go do their due diligence and actually look into the system to see if they know what they're talking about or to see if their assumptions are actually true. And what I found when I was in that position and actually did start looking in and checking myself, was that I was really wrong about a lot of the ideas I had and assumptions I had made about the system, one of them being that it was cheaper. We know that the death penalty is the most expensive part of our justice system on a per offender basis. I think that's actually pretty commonly known, that the death penalty is drastically more expensive than other punishments. Hannah Cox: But people always make the mistake of assuming that that is because it takes too long to carry out. And that's frequently what you'll hear defenders of it say. That's not at all accurate, actually. If you look at it, the main cause, the main driver of those costs is the trial itself, where 70 percent of the additional costs of the death penalty are incurred. That means even if a jury is presented with a death penalty trial and votes for a sentence less than death, which they do more times than not by the way, that taxpayers are still paying a good bit more to have a death penalty trial than they would to have a life in prison without parole case. Now, if you really think about it, if you step aside and put down your presumptions and think about this, why would it cost so much more to have a death penalty than life in prison without parole? If the cause was that it takes too long and it's because we're incarcerating these people for so long, then life in prison without parole would be about equal, because those are people that spend the rest of their lives in prison. Hannah Cox: But instead, we see the death penalty is about a million dollars more on average than a life in prison without parole case. And so, again, that comes back to the trial: how much more we spend bringing these cases forward. They're just not really worth it. And again, I think the worst part is not only is that fiscally responsible, but it's actually negligence. It's something that makes our communities less safe, because we're spending those excess millions of dollars on a system that fails. It doesn't work to deter crime. It will never work to deter crime. We know from research and from psychologists that the actual deterrent to crime is the assurance that someone will get caught. We only solve about 60 percent of homicides on average in this country. We're really bad at solving crimes. It's even worse for lesser offenses. And so the the actual odds are right now, if you commit a crime, your odds of getting away with it are actually pretty good. And I would argue in large part, that's because of the money we waste on security theater like the death penalty, instead of going out and actually spending those resources to stop crime or to prevent violence in the first place. Herb Geraghty: I really like that--that framing of the death penalty as security theater. I don't think I've ever heard that before, but I think that's really accurate. It's sort of done for the peace of mind of the general public in some ways. Herb Geraghty: And it's not--it's not deterring crime. Can you talk a little bit more about that? Because I think that that is a pretty common misconception, I guess, that I--if I wanted to kill someone, well, I don't want to be killed, and so maybe I won't go do that. Like, it seems sort of common sense that it would be, you know, a deterrent effect to have a death penalty. But you say research says that's not accurate? Hannah Cox: Research does not show that that is true whatsoever. And in fact, we find that regions that do not have the death penalty or that do away with it tend to actually stay about even in their crime rates or even see a decrease in crime rates, whereas regions that do continue to use it--which is very few places in this country at this point, we only have about 10 states that are actively still doing this--they tend to have much higher rates of violent crime. Hannah Cox: So I would say there's actually even a correlation in the other end that would indicate the death penalty contributes to higher rates of crime. Because, again, it's an opportunity cost: we're not spending those dollars on smart public policies, on things that actually work. And there's a good number of people that want to keep digging their head in the sand and do this, because I think it feels easy to them, right? The death penalty is an easy answer to violence. It doesn't take much nuance. It doesn't really take understanding trauma or science or violence. You don't have to do the messy work of getting in and trying to repair people. You don't have to really dig in and start dealing with the pain that so many find. What you'll find is those who commit crimes were usually first victims themselves; they're often victims of really traumatic experiences before the cycle of violence repeats itself in their lives and they end up being offenders. And so there's--there's some really messy work that I think needs to be done if we really want to understand violence in order to prevent it. And there are things we could be doing, but they're not simple solutions. They take more effort, they take more intelligence, they take more nuance and thought and planning and preparation. And I think that to some extent, there's a lot of people who really just don't want to do that work, and they want easy solutions. The death penalty feels good. It feels like vengeance. It feels like justice. It seems like this is a simple solution. It's not. It's something that continues to actually, I think, contribute to the root causes of crime, which again, are largely trauma. It creates new victims and other family members who lose a loved one. Hannah Cox: It often amplifies the pain of the victim's family members themselves, which is why we see so many of them turn out to work against it and work to get rid of the death penalty. Because it's something that exacerbates their pain and really pushes them through a cycle of the system, for decades at times, instead of giving them the resources they might need to actually begin to rebuild their lives. And so it's something that just compounds trauma, compounds violence and pain and the effects of it and actually makes it worse. So it's not something that we really see providing any actual benefit. But again, I think it's something that, for some, feels easy, feels good. And so they, again, have kind of an emotional knee-jerk reaction to it and support it. But I want to circle back to the fact that I just don't think that's most people these days. I think it used to be. But these days what we find is that there are a lot of people, especially on the right, who have become aware of the need for criminal justice reform in general and, especially once they become aware of the flaws in the justice system, don't think that the system should be able to carry out matters of life and death. And so we find we actually have a lot of support for getting rid of it. And for those who maybe aren't as up to speed on the policy itself and on how it works, typically within a couple minutes of talking to them about all of this data, I'll see a lot of people change their minds pretty quickly. They'll say, "Oh, I didn't know that. OK, I guess I'm OK if it goes away in that case, let's try something better." Herb Geraghty: Yeah. I think the death penalty is really one of those issues that, once you just get the data, it's a lot--it's a lot harder to keep supporting it. Which I think is good that we're on the right side of the issue, I guess. Herb Geraghty: Another thing that I read about on your website that I really--I really liked was the idea that when it comes to the death penalty, justice is not blind and that fairness is a moving target. Can you talk a little bit about what you mean by that when you talk about it? Hannah Cox: Yeah, well, we see that there is really stark disproportionality in the death penalty and how it's allocated. We see that only about two percent of counties bring the majority of death penalty cases. To date, all executions since reinstatement have come from less than 16 percent of the nation's counties. And so while a lot of people think that there is a difference in the level of criminality committed for people to get the death penalty, they think that these people are somehow more violent or what they did is more heinous than others in the prison population, that actually isn't the case. That actually isn't really how we determine who gets the death penalty. You'll find if you start digging into the cases of those on death row versus those in the life in prison without parole or sometimes even just general sentencing, that oftentimes you'll see very similar-looking cases. And it really just comes down to one county aggressively pushing for the death penalty and others don't. And so really, we see the number one driver of who gets it comes down to the location where the crime was committed. And that's true across every state in this country. So that's pretty arbitrary. That's actually partially why it was banned in the 1970s at the the US Supreme Court level: they proved that it was so arbitrary and so racially biased that it violated the Eighth Amendment's prohibitions against cruel and unusual punishment. They didn't find that it violated the "cruel" aspect of the Eighth Amendment but [rather] the "unusual" aspect of the Eighth Amendment, because it was so arbitrarily allocated that it was as random as being struck by lightning. And so they overturned it for a period of a couple years. Hannah Cox: And then states basically added some mitigating factors and some aggravating factors that were supposed to try to put barriers up to ensure that it was only for the worst of the worst, and that we weren't racially biased in how we allocated it, and that we were making sure we didn't have so many wrongful convictions. But we--you know, we did that in the late 1970s, early 1980s. And so we've got a lot of data, a decade's worth of data now, to look at how that's worked. And we see that it operates in the exact same manner. It's still really based on where the crime was committed, and the next [strongest] determining factors are the race of the defendant and the race of the victim. And we see both of those play really significant parts in who gets it [and] who doesn't. And then, of course, there's a lot of socioeconomic bias overlap within that as well. Basically, if you're somebody who can afford a private attorney, a good defense, the likelihood that you're going to get the death penalty is really, really low. Hannah Cox: We don't see people of means--even of moderate means--as a whole on death row. And the number one combination of people across this country on death row are black defendants who had a white victim in the case. Even though we know that most crime, most homicides are carried out by people known to the victim. Most people live in socioeconomic racial bubbles in this country, and so of course you see the data shows that numbers of white on white crimes are higher, black on black crimes are higher. You don't have as many crimes that are across different races. And yet that's the leading cause of people on death row. Herb Geraghty: Wow. I think--I don't know, I just find that statistic one of the most shocking, I guess. I think I know that within the criminal justice system, there are racial biases. Herb Geraghty: I think that it's pretty hard to find people now who won't admit to at least some racial bias within, you know, policing and prisons and sentencing and everything like that. But I think the stat about it being a white victim making a difference is really jarring to me. Hannah Cox: Yeah, there's something really creepy about it, right? It feels very sinister. And I think so often when we talk about the systemic racism in the justice system, people who aren't as familiar with the system, who don't really understand its intricacies as well, they assume what we mean by that is, like, there's people plotting in a room to make the system racist. That's not how it actually gets put into place. Instead, we had a lot of laws that were put into place for hundreds of years in this country that were racist. And just because we had the Civil Rights Act of 1960 doesn't mean that all those laws are just eradicated from our books. And so you still have a lot of laws that were intended to have racial disparities and their implications and that still produces racial disparities and their implications. As one example, we just saw the Supreme Court this year--this year!-- overturn laws in Louisiana and Oregon that allowed for non-unanimous juries. We have transcripts from when those laws were put into place where they basically were advocating at the state level to water down the votes of black people on juries when they had to start including them after the civil war ended. And so those things were still around. When you have non-unanimous juries, you might have two black people on a jury and ten white people, and we say these two votes don't count. And we just watered down the votes of black juries who might have voted for more lenient sentences for people of color. Hannah Cox: We continue to see black men sentenced with all white juries in this country. And so there's subliminal biases, right? There's subconscious bias that enters that equation. There's the implication of the laws. And all of it contributes to the system that continues to be much more punitive towards people of color, much more likely to arrest people of color, much more likely to wrongfully convict people of color, to sentence people for the same crime much more harshly if they are black than if they are white. On and on and on it goes. But I do think of all of the racial disparities we see in the data throughout the justice system, the one that really--it just feels so icky to me is around victims. When we see how we decide what victims get what attention, which victims' cases we decide are worth an excess million to pursue a death penalty case for, and which ones we might not even solve--you know, go back to that 60 percent homicide clearance rate. That means 40 percent of victims, on average, get absolutely no justice, no closure, nothing whatsoever. And I think that there is a subconscious bias in how we allocate our resources to victims in this country, in which victims get more attention, which victims we think need to absolutely make sure we solve those cases, and in which ones we say, "All right, this one has to go to the death penalty trial." And consistently we see that it is for white victims that we put precedence. Herb Geraghty: Yeah. And to be clear, when we're talking about this, we're not saying that--I don't know... I feel like--I don't think that seeking the death penalty is somehow more just to a victim or a victim's family. But it's more just those biases that I think clearly exist that lead to that disparity, especially when, as you've said, the cross-racial homicide rate is very low. Herb Geraghty: And so the fact that it's, you know, offenders--or accused offenders--that have a white victim, is so just very jarring. Herb Geraghty: And I really like the language that you guys use on your website about justice should be blind. Herb Geraghty: We sort of have these ideas of a government who is just and a justice system that applies these laws equally. Hannah Cox: Yeah. I think that's absolutely right. And without a doubt, we fail to do that. Herb Geraghty: And I think the last thing I want to talk about is the idea of the death penalty as, for the families of the victim, that it is the only real way to provide closure in the case of a homicide. Hannah Cox: Yeah, I mean, I think there's this perception by defenders of the death penalty that this is something that, largely, victims' family members want. And we often see, especially lawmakers who are arguing in defense of keeping it, say that this is for the victims. Right? "We're doing this for the victims." You even saw US Attorney General Barr and Trump try to say that when they resumed federal executions, even while the victims in these cases have been advocating against it and asking them to stop. There's something really gross about it that happens in that way. I see that repeat itself throughout general assemblies. I know this year in Colorado, where we were ultimately successful in overturning the death penalty, we had a murder victim's coalition, a family member coalition, that was showing up that had three or four dozen people in it, tons and tons of people that were there. They were holding press conferences. They were meeting with lawmakers, and the lawmakers who were determined to vote to keep the death penalty, wouldn't meet with those people. Wouldn't come to their press conferences. Wouldn't sit down with them. But then had the gall to get up on the floor and say that they were voting to keep this penalty for the victims. And they used them as scapegoats. And I think it's really gross. So I don't ever want to do the opposite and speak for victims' family members. They're not a monolith. Certainly there are some victims' family members who support keeping the death penalty. Hannah Cox: But I will say that in the legislatures where I've been, when we're working on repeal campaigns, they usually are about one to thirty-six against keeping it. So I think that as a whole, we see a lot larger number of victims' family members really show up and advocate getting rid of it, versus the other way around where we see victims really show up and want to keep it and say this is something that has helped them. So as a whole, I think it makes sense when you, when you really work around the system, you see how families get brought in and out of court for decades. They have to go back and forth. They're constantly having to relive the worst moment of their life. Many of them have a problem with the death penalty from the beginning. And the prosecutors and police don't respect them or their wishes and pursue it anyways. So that's quite traumatic. We see that these millions of dollars get wasted on pursuing this death penalty instead of actually giving them resources that they need, whether that be counseling, whether that be assistance with child care if they've just lost a spouse, whether that be relocation help if they're in a dangerous situation or area. There's a lot of things that they actually say they could use or need when they have experienced crime that we don't do for victims and their family members because we're wasting so much money on security theater. Herb Geraghty: And so I think my only question left is, what do we do? How do we get involved? As you said, public opinion really has shifted. It's more common to oppose the death penalty than to support it. Yet we still have, I think, over half the states have the death penalty at least on the books. So what do we do to create the culture that we need to abolish it? Hannah Cox: Yeah. Well, I think so much of it is just going and doing the work of talking to others in your world about the problems with it. I think we have to really move the culture in order to get to a place where then the politics, the legislature follows through. And so in some states we're further ahead than others. And some states there's still a lot of work left to do to talk to Republicans and Libertarians and others on the right. And even those on the left; there's an assumption that everybody on the left is in favor of getting rid of it, and that's actually not even true itself. We need to continue working across both sides of the aisles just to get this information in front of people, let them know the flaws with the system. I think it's always good for people to contact their local state House and state Senate members and let them know what they want to see happen on this. And those are really the best ways you can effect change. Herb Geraghty: Great, how can we follow Conservatives Concerned? Hannah Cox: Yeah. Conservatives Concerned is under our acronym on Twitter, which is CCATDP. We're on Facebook @Conservatives Concerned. Our website is ConservativesConcerned.org. And so those are three really great places to connect with us. Herb Geraghty: Ok, great. Well, thank you so much for coming on the podcast, Hannah. Do you have anything else you want to promote or share a final message? Hannah Cox: I think that's it. Thanks so much for having me. Herb Geraghty: Well, thank you so much. Maria Oswalt: Thanks for tuning in to the Rehumanize podcast. To learn more, check out our website at rehumanizeintl.org or follow us on social media @rehumanizeintl.  

In this episode, Herb Geraghty is joined by Nick Reynosa of SERNOW (The Society for Ethical Research Now), an organization working to expose the injustice happening at the University of California San Francisco. —  Intro/outro music: "Belize," by Monty Datta. https://montydatta.bandcamp.com/track/belize  — Learn more about Rehumanize International at rehumanizeintl.org! — Transcription: Maria Oswalt: Hello and welcome to Episode 14 of the Rehumanize podcast.   [Music plays]   Herb Geraghty: Hello and welcome to the Rehumanize Podcast. Today I am being joined by Nick Renosa who is the Director of Public policy of the Society For Ethical Research or SERNOW. Their mission is to document, expose, and mobilize against unethical fetal organ harvesting.  We're going to talk a little bit about exactly what that means and the work that the Society For Ethical Research is doing to stop it. So welcome Nick.    Nick Reynosa: Thank you for having me, Herb.   Herb Geraghty: So the focus of the SERNOW campaign has really been on the medical research going on at the University of California San Francisco.  Over the past year I've been down to UCSF a couple times to help raise awareness about this issue and I think the attention on it is only growing so I think it's really important that you're here today to tell our listeners about it.  But before we get into it, I don't usually do this, but I do wanna give a quick warning that what we're gonna talk about gets pretty dark.  It's the Rehumanize Podcast we deal with Consistent Life Ethic issues, but um so nothing's ever cheery, but this particularly for me at least I think is sort of another level at some points.  So I just want to throw that warning out there that this episode might be a little more disturbing than uh past episodes.  So Nick, can you tell us what is going on at UCSF?   Nick Reynosa: So just briefly going over UCSF fetal harvesting program: UCSF is, you know, the abortion-training capital of the world. It is also a leader in pro-abortion legislative advocacy, and it's an essential link in the supply chain for human fetal organs and experimentation and a lot of this information has been uncovered through the brave work of David Daleiden; our group, Society For Ethical Research is partnering with Pro Life San Francisco and Survivors LA to, you know, be a nonviolent active--you know--citizen activism in the Bay Area to document and expose these human rights violations and call for more ethical alternatives. And the procedures that are done at UCSF are definitely among the most extreme abortion procedures in the world. And definitely, you know, you talk about “rehumanizing”, this is the highest level of dehumanization of the unborn I've seen and I've been doing pro life work about ten years.  And so, today we're just gonna talk about the work that we've done, the pressure that we've put on them, and also the procedures themselves and how they may violate federal law, and also sort of the ethical implications with the scientific community and with covid and other things--all of the different things that are entailed in fetal tissue research.   Herb Geraghty: Okay, so I have a hard time even talking about this. I think with a lot of sort of pro-life work that I end up doing, it's easy to sort of, I guess, think of it in as like a philosophical point that like especially when you're talking about embryos who obviously are human beings, then they deserve human rights, it's sort of easy to not really think of them as persons even though we know that they are and they deserve rights.  That's not what we're talking about. This, when we say fetal organ harvesting and this unethical research, were not talking about, like, embryonic stem cell research which I think is a lot of people's first impression.  These are--I think, Nick-- usually viable children, Right?   Nick Reynosa: Uh, a great many of them. The weeks--usually are between 18-24 weeks. Anything above 21 weeks would be viable, so I think it's definitely fair to say a great many of them, and we have, at least (and this is a very conservative number) at least 288 victims in that age range, just from the contracts that we've discovered through the great work of like Robert Burg. He's kind of piecemeal found these contracts, and we've kind of extrapolated the number 288. So definitely dozens, possibly hundreds, of viable fetuses in that age range. And you know it's interesting-- you're vegan, Herb, and I think a lot of people who, you know, care for animals as well, it's the reality of the violence that, you know, brings them to care. And when we talk about these late term procedures it's sort of, like, distinguishing--you said, between the philosophical and the embryonic to this real flesh and blood violent act and that, I think, that's why this is such a hard topic to talk about.   Herb Geraghty: Yeah, yeah I know, I think--I just, I know that late term abortion (or we're not supposed to call it; later abortion, post-viability abortion) is less common and I think that's like a talking point that you hear a lot, that it's only X percent of abortions in the US; but when you look at, you know, an ultrasound of a child at 21 weeks or 24 weeks, that looks like a person. They really don't look that far off from what we look like when we're born, especially because some of them are born and are human beings given the right to life by the state at that point. And it's just-- I don't know. I think for me late term abortion, it just, it's so hard to think about because I think it's easy to dehumanize someone who doesn't really look like what your idea of a human is. But the people doing this, they know. They can see their face and that's so upsetting for me. But the other thing that I wanted to ask about: something that SERNOW talks about a lot (and I know I've done a lot of work with Terrisa Bukovinac, with Pro-Life San Francisco) is this idea that there are children not just being killed in the elective abortion procedures, then being used for medical research; that there's a possibility, and probability, that some of them are being born alive.   Nick Reynosa: Definitely. You see, the thing is that a traditional later term abortion is very violent, very traumatic dismemberment and such things like that digoxin which is a toxic substance. It's very similar to potassium chloride, which is actually used in lethal injections of inmates. So that gives you an idea of the level of toxicity of the substance. But anyway, in order to have pristine tissue, the doctors have to get more creative with these procedures, and there are 2 main procedures. There's a live dismemberment or D&E, which is where the extremities are removed, and then you have an intact abdomen, which is then dissected afterwards. And then you also have a procedure known as en vivo, which means “in the living”, which was actually invented at the University of Pittsburgh. (So we have this sort of macabre connection to San Francisco and Pittsburgh with this, unfortunately.) But these procedures allow the procedure to be less traumatic physically on the body, and it makes it more suitable for experimentation later. But the problem is, because it's less traumatic, it reduces the certainty of fetal demise. This is why many professional abortionists view these procedures as sort of beyond the pale and far too risky, and they'll refuse to do them. And this is the same thing with staff and patients. There was one medical journal that I read talking about how over 90 percent of patients wanted assurence of fetal demise, and many physicians and staff agreed because the idea of a born alive or a live birth during an abortion would be traumatic for the doctor, for the staff, for the patient. So even in the abortion community these are considered extreme procedures, and according to the Society For Family Planning, up to 50 percent of the time these children are born alive. And if they are not given care, that would be a violation of federal law. And that's why we're seeking transparency, because if we know that there's been, for example, 288 victims, we don't have any transparency as to the number that were born alive or the care that they received or did not receive. And the lack of reporting is a crime--not just the denial of care, but the lack of reporting as well. So these are all goals that we're working towards to try to have more transparency and accountability at UCSF.     Herb Geraghty: Mmhm. I think that that statistic, when I first heard it, I immediately didn't believe it: that up to 50 percent of the time, these infants could be being born alive and then dissected for medical research. And I remember I think Terrisa first posted something about that or told me that. And I immediately assumed, I think, “oh Society For Family Planning, what is that, some kind of pro-life group?” that that's where the stat is coming from (not that, I think, you know, pro-life groups are making up stats; but things can look a little different.) So I immediately went to their website and it's [a] pro-abortion [group]. There were studies on there that were like the harm that the lack of access to abortion causes, you know, this is not some sort of like right-wing conspiracy to accuse doctors of killing actual infants. This is happening, and it's not even that controversial. The doctors are just like “yeah, that's what happens”--which to me is insane, that that's going on and that this isn't a national conversation.   Nick Reynosa: Well, I think there are three parts to that, Herb. The first part that people need to understand, is that in order for a typical abortion to be successful, there has to be some kind of damage done to the fetus; usually through like the digoxin, or through blood loss, or organ damage, or something like that. But especially with the en vivo procedure, there's really no blood loss, there's no digoxin. So the only thing that would really cause fetal demise is just the fact that it's a very young fetus. So especially for the ones that are over 21 weeks, they're coming out of the birth canal, they haven't really experienced any trauma, so if they're old enough, that's why the numbers are so high.  Another issue is--and I think in the movie Gosnell it really touches on this well--you have a certain percentage of abortionists who are practicing what I would call ‘civil disobedience' where there are abortion regulations on the books. For example, like the “guarantee of care for infants born alive”, where they feel that those laws are immoral, and they're deliberately, as Gosnell said, you know, disobeying those laws intentionally. And then, thirdly, you have pro-abortion politicians who look the other way; and not to go easy on the Republicans either, because they haven't been super strong in enforcement either when they've had the opportunity. But you factor those three things together and it makes sense how those  horrible things can happen. And I think regardless of whether you're pro-choice or pro-life, if the law states that they are to be given care, then whether you're pro-choice or pro-life is irrelevant. You follow the law or you pay the consequences.   Herb Geraghty: Yeah, I remember this kind of discourse came up a lot back in 2019, when the Republicans were really pushing for the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, which basically, I think, was an extension of the current laws on the book that say: these children born alive during abortions deserve healthcare, and they should be treated as any other child born at that gestational age. But with this law they were attempting to, sort of, give that teeth and make it more enforceable and prevent situations like what we're talking about. And I just remember thinking that the friends that I have, the colleagues that I have, who genuinely believe that “healthcare is a human right” and say that kind of thing, and say, you know, “everyone deserves healthcare.” And then they are willing to just exclude this group of people who are born alive during abortions and just, like, at best they can be ignored and they can die on their own; at worst we're going to dismember them and use their body parts for medical research.  And it's just so unfortunate like for me, as someone who does believe healthcare is a right, I'm an advocate for that sort of outside my work with Rehumanize International; to see this group of people just completely denied even stuff like comfort care, and instead are being dissected alive. This issue--I just, sometimes with a lot of anti-abortion stuff, I think that--I get concerned that I am losing my mind, like I--I must be wrong. Like there's no way I live in a society where, routinely, completely legally, children are just being killed. And about half the country is fine with that. And our politicians are doing almost nothing to stop it. And the ones who are doing something to stop it are just talking about, you know, defunding it. And I feel like I must be wrong; like maybe, pro-choice people have to be right. But then I look at the evidence that's right in front of me, and it's like no. This is happening; and it's not on the news every night. Like maybe Tucker Carlson will run a segment on abortion every 6 months and that's the best we can ask for and I just don't understand why I…   Nick Reynosa: Well I think there's several factors. We live in a… I often think about the Milgram Experiment where fake doctors told people to shock people, so we obviously defer a lot to scientific experts. And in a lot of ways that's good, but the thing is, unfortunately, the stuff we see at UCSF is just part of a long history of bad ethics and science. I can think of the Mengele experiments, the Tuskegee Airmen experiments, experiments against the mentally handicapped, and so forth. Basically what it is, is when you have people that are otherized, or made less than--whether it's Jewish people or African American people or handicapped people or whatever the case may be, in this case, the unborn--the typical standards of ethics are reduced. And also I think sometimes in this search for the greater good or what have you that scientists, engineers, you know, I live in Silicon Valley and sometimes they say move fast and break things. Well, just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should.  And when we look at  sort of like the gold-standard of scientific ethics, there's been pushback from the scientific community about these basic protections for patients. And that just reminds me that we constantly have to aspire for our science to be better and push our scientists to be better and respect their knowledge, but they're not perfect. Just because you wear a white coat or a black coat or a blue coat, violence is violence, bad ethics is bad ethics.  I think if we take that principle we can do better. And you know just briefly you were talking about the extremism.  I think about other issues, sometimes, where the smallest, most common sense regulation is seen as tantamount to a full abolition. You know, like, if we oppose these procedures somehow that can amount to The Handmaid's Tale.  It's not a really logical, rational discourse, and I don't think these people are being fair or intellectually honest, because abortion rights in America would not change drastically if these procedures stopped. But a lot of time it's framed in that way because any kind of anything less than full cartes blanche is seen as tantamount to The Handmaids Tale or something. I don't think we're going to get very far if that's the level of discourse that we're having.   Herb Geraghty: Well, I think that from the pro-choice side, I think that almost has to be the level of discourse. Because when we start to say okay, a viable child, someone who is now 24 weeks old, well they deserve rights, why doesn't that make sense for a 21 week old or a 20 week old. And then you just become pro-life, which is what I'm hoping they do.  But what you were saying about the history of sort of medical experimentation I think really holds true. And it is important to know that throughout history, especially when you think of things like gynecology and reproductive healthcare, the really sordid and just racist history of a lot of that in the US, really just like extensive abuse of black women's bodies, to sort of make medical advancements is something that this sort of reminds me of in some ways. But it makes me think, you know, we're not against medical advancement.  I want, you know, cures for the diseases that they're working on and I want to improve our ability to help people with disabilities and all of these other things.  We're just saying that there are other means that you can go about this with.   Nick Reynosa: Absolutely. And, you know, especially the topic on everyone's mind now is Covid-19 and I was thinking about the relevance of our work as far as, they were talking about the different Covid vaccines that were coming out. And some were positively sourced through fetal cells, and some were not. And I'm 100 percent pro-vaccines as long as they're ethically sourced. And the concern that I had was for your average person that's not like us, like we're deeply invested in the pro-life movement, if someone came to them and said I can give you your normal life back if you take this vaccine that was possibly sourced with fetal cells.  The average person probably isn't going to care.  They're just gonna go “give me my normal life back.”  But the thing is that's why, if we were able to completely ban fetal experimentation, we wouldn't be put in these possibly difficult situations,  Thankfully, we do have ethically sourced Covid vaccines and I would totally recommend that everyone take those ethically sourced vaccines. But I'm just concerned that we're not always going to be that fortunat,  and I don't wanna ever be put in a situation where normal people have to make that very difficult decision. And we're very pro-healthcare, we're very pro-science.  The Trump Administration has given 20 million dollars to ethical alternatives which was something to the effect of 10 times greater than the current amount for that particular [project which] they cancelled, which was like 2 million dollars.     Herb Geraghty: And that project you're talking about was the one that required the 2 …   Nick Reynosa: Yes, that was the UCSF contract, correct.  To be clear: there are, I believe, over 100 fetal programs throughout the country with funding of the NH $115 million, but when the Trump administration cancelled that particular one at UCSF, citing lack of transparency and safeguards and so forth, they replaced it with a 20 million dollar fund. But I think those who are experts in those alternatives, they use something called pluripotent cells which are adult stem cells which have the advantage of also having the flexibility of fetal cells; because one of the things that scientists like about fetal cells is they're very malleable, so if you can have adult stem cells that have malleability, then you kind of get the best of both worlds. So that's an experiment that they're working on, but I totally agree with what you said.  We're totally pro-progress but we don't take a utilitarian approach on this.  It's not like you only have to abort this many fetuses to save this many people, because if you use that kind of logic to justify 100 people, 1000 people, 1000000 people it never ends.  But if you have a principle that the patient is paramount and the patient is not there to serve others, then you abolish that type of experimentation and you don't use that utilitarian approach.   Herb Geraghty: And I mean sort of as a catch-all I'm quick to say I oppose fetal organ harvesting, but that's not entirely true.  I'm not against medical research on cadavers who have died of natural causes.  I know people who've donated the remains of their child after miscarriage to medical research and I'm not opposed to that.  I think what's important to make clear is that these are elective abortions, and as a result, because Trump did cancel one contract, there's still many [experiments being done] and a lot that are privately funded. And I'm sure Joe Biden does not have the same qualms about fetal tissue research that I do. So we'll see what his funding looks like, but that is essentially creating a monetary demand for elective abortion.   Nick Reynosa: Well, particularly when you think about the parameters specifically that UCSF mentions in their contract. You know, they want fetuses of a certain gestational age, they want fetuses that are not the result of sexual violence, they want fetuses with no abnormalities. So not only does that take [away] many of the pro-choice talking points, like sexual assault or fetal abnormalities or things like that, but it also creates--let's say you're a woman who's planning to have a normal first trimester abortion, but they need candidates for these second trimester abortions (and I'm not saying that I have any evidence that any one particular woman did this) but I'm saying that, in order to meet those parameters, you have to have women that are far along, like I said 18 to 24 weeks, that they haven't resulted from sexual violence and they have no fetal abnormalities. So that sort of narrows that group. And so if you're looking for candidates, that could create an incentive to extend the pregnancy to do that. And also by wanting the procedure to be a certain way, some doctors have brought up the fact that there are ethical concerns, because the patient should be the one that's wanting this procedure a certain way, not the doctor. Because the doctor may have an incentive to extend the pregnancy to have that particular time frame.  That could create an incentive as well, so I totally agree with that.   Herb Geraghty: Yeah. There's also the, I'm not sure if there's evidence of UCSF doctors doing this, but I remember what came out in the tapes that David Daleiden released in the undercover footage at Planned Parenthood at least, there was evidence of someone claiming at least that they were altering the type of procedure that they're doing, in order to get these contracts, to be able to use the tissue more effectively for medical research. And that I believe is illegal, right?   Nick Reynosa: Absolutely, especially when you talk about the en vivo abortion. When you look at just a picture of the abortions that were banned through the Partial Birth Abortion Act, and when you look at a picture of the en vivo abortion, they're extremely similar, to the point where just the manner in which the fetus exits could make the procedure illegal. David Daleiden talks about this; and if that is the case then it is a violation of law, yeah.  That's why oversight, or lack thereof, is so important because we can't trust the industry to follow these regulations. We can't trust the honesty or transparency, so we can't trust the media--because it's only independent outlets that are reporting this. Occasionally Tucker Carlson will, but it's pretty limited. But yes, I do agree that the procedures could be altered and that that would be illegal.   Herb Geraghty: Another thing that I wanted to talk about that I've learned recently related to this topic too is, what exact types of research is being done or what the exact projects are? I know one at least was a sort of human mouse experiment.  I don't fully understand it.  Could you just explain what that is?  I've seen pictures and they're horrific, especially as someone who is vegan. And I organized around, when I was in college, stopping the violence against mice in Pitt's research labs and the pictures of that upset me outside of the abortion question.   Nick Reynosa: So I'm not a scientist, so this is the highschool version of this. But essentially what they do is, some of the main organs that they harvest are the thymus and the liver. And a lot of the research they do is related to immunotherapy, because they're trying to do things for HIV [or similar conditions], so the immune system is of great interest to them.  So by injecting the human organ tissues into the mice, what they're attempting to do is to give the mice an immune system comparable to the human immune system.  Therefore they can experiment on the mice to see the reaction of different immunotherapy situations, and that would help them theoretically with HIV or other things like that. But the thing that's so horrific about it is, in order for the liver tissue or the thymus tissue to be suitable to be injected into the mice, it has to be of top grade, and it has to be as normal as possible. So--and I mean we've all seen the movies where someone dies and they put in on ice and it goes on a helicopter and they try to transplant-- and it's very similar with fetal tissue research, because you're talking about, in one instance the language was a maximum of six hours between removal from the fetus and the use. Because they want that tissue to be brand new fresh. And so to give you a perspective on that, at Zuckerberg General Hospital, in San Francisco, these abortion procedures take place in the building called 6G and literally I would say probably like 300 yards away is the fetal experimentation lab.  It's like a 5 to 10 minute walk away.  Just one building over.  And that's how fresh this tissue is sometimes. And so I'm just trying to give people a perspective on--give them, like, a real-world picture of how this is literally a dissected organ out of a fresh cadaver into a living mice, within hours sometimes.   Herb Geraghty: Yeah, while the mother, the patient, is still in recovery for it.  I just find that so, I don't know, traumatic to think about, sort of going through the very invasive procedure of a late-term abortion. Especially when, like this, where no fetucide is used. And then sort of as you are recovering your, parts of your child are being injected into mice in order to create these humanized mice, to then torture the mice through cruel experimentation. And that's why I gave the warning on this episode that this is gonna be a little dark because I just don't--I feel like my brain doesn't even comprehend that there are people who go into work everyday, and do this for a living and that in many cases our tax dollars are paying for it with grants; and probably even more so, there are private businesses that are looking to profit off this once the research is complete.    Nick Reynosa: Definitely, you know, I often think we think of--I've heard the saying like “the comfortable pro-choice view” that kind of doesn't acknowledge the violence of abortion and doesn't acknowledge the humanity of the fetus, but I do think there's sort of a “comfortable pro-life view” and I really appreciate you talking about this topic, Herb, because not everyone does.  This is definitely a more advanced topic, it's much grittier, it's much more honest. And I think that there are people out there that are very well-intentioned, good-hearted, and they're pro-life but they haven't--this is the worst of the worst, and they may not have sort of encountered that yet or been exposed to it.  I think all aspects of the pro-life movement are important, and none of it should be ignored, but I definitely think for people who are wanting to learn more about the movement, extreme examples like this are also important to talk about because you're going in eyes wide open.  You're understanding the levels of dehumanization in our country, how bad it can get if it's not addressed. I think those are all important things.   Herb Geraghty: Yeah. I mean, I also I think and I hope that for the sort of “comfortable pro-choice person”, often I think they're like many Americans. They don't like abortion but they think it might be necessary, and they don't like late-term abortion. And when I look at this issue I hope, at least, that this is a potential olive branch to that sort of mushy middle who [say things like] “I'm personally pro-life and I would never get an abortion but I understand why other people might need it.” And the pictures of these babies, the actual victims, or just a fetus through an ultrasound at 24 weeks--it's very hard, in my opinion, to deny their humanity unless you are about to profit off of it.  And I just hope that this potentially could be one of those issues that could bring people on board, at least closer to the pro-life side than the sort of just blind trust in the abortion-industrial-complex that [thinks] whatever they're doing is probably fine, Gosnell was just a one-off extreme case and no one else is like that.  That's what I hope, at least, when we're trying to talk about this issue: that it can be sort of a radicalizing moment for pro-choice people who think that abortion is just, sort of, I don't know, “getting rid of some tissue.”   Nick Reynosa: A couple of things to add to that. You know, any way you slice it, it's pretty politically easy, I think, to achieve this. Because if you look at the numbers, the majority of women independents, Democrats, oppose these late-term procedures. And that's just procedures in general, not specifically extreme, extreme late-term procedures. And then also, internationally these procedures are like--even when compared to most of Western Europe, where abortions are much, the term of the pregnancies are [restricted at a] much lower date. And so I think--and also, too, the abortion extremism in the Democratic party has cost them a lot of votes from people that would otherwise vote for them, and I think that would be a great olive branch to them.  Say, “hey, we're reasonable people, we can still generally support abortion rights, but not this extremism.” And so, I agree that for people who are willing to be intellectually honest about it, there could be some progress there. And maybe, if they come to reject the abortion lobbyists, and come to more of an international center like where Europe is, or where most American voters are at in their opinions on this.   Herb Geraghty: Yeah. And I guess to me, when I think of that kind of thing with a lot of abortion legislation, there is so much diversity of thought within this country about exactly what they want abortion legislation to look like.  A lot of people want it to be legal, but with some regulation, and that is so not represented at all in the modern Democratic party. And the reason why is pretty obvious: it's that who's funding the modern Democratic party is Planned Parenthood, it's NARAL, it's Emily's List. It's these groups that exist to either provide or promote legal abortion. And so I think to make any sort of these incremental gains to save lives of unborn children we really need a groundswell of support from people all over the political spectrum, people all socio-economic groups, we need everyone on board saying: “hey, even outside of my opinion whether I'm pro-life or pro-choice, this extremism has got to go.” Because otherwise there's no incentive for politicians to care about it enough to try to change these laws or to enforce the laws that are already in place.  I think that's where the work of SERNOW really lies: in education about it, making sure that people know about this, and have an opinion on it.  It can't just be something that no one knows about because it happens behind several layers of hospital doors, and no one talks about it because it's not a popular topic.   Nick Reynosa: I have a couple of things to say about that. Number one is sort of a silver lining in the Democrats winning. I mean obviously from the pro-life point of view there's some obvious complications in that, but one thing I took away from that was Kamala Harris, of all the 24 people that ran for president, she was by far the one most closely associated with the whole David Daleiden situation and UCSF and all those associated issues. I think it's completely fair to say that, of all the Democrats who ran, Kamala Harris had the most extreme abortion record of any of them. And I'm not just saying that because she's now VP-Elect, or because I work for SERNOW I just think that's objectively true and that thing of--   Herb Geraghty: I mean, the thing about Kamala Harris that I think you're about to say is, not only is she pro-abortion, she is like, anti-pro-lifer. She has targeted us, specifically David.  It's scary.   Nick Reynosa: And that's why David's fight, which continues--and it's important to remember that I don't, we don't, work for David directly but we do build on his brave work, and the discussion on banning fetal, unethical fetal experimentation, he's been the root and branch of that. And any success that we have is because of him and his great work. But I think it's so symbolic, because the outcome of David‘s case is symbolic, as far as we have Kamala Harris on one side, who persecuted David and supported UCSF and supported Planned Parenthood in their breaking of the law, and did not protect David's freedom of speech, and journalistic rights and so forth--but we want to see that through.  Sarah now wants to see that through, and see David vindicated, because it would be America saying that Kamala Harris's behavior was uncalled-for and we aspire to do better. It's not even about a pro-choice or pro-life thing. It's about freedom of speech, it's about journalistic rights, it's about her integrity as a prosecutor, and fairness, and all of those issues. And now that Kamala Harris is center stage, that can be a great talking point for our cause, and something to rally around David as we expose Kamala Harris's extremism. And that's something I look forward to doing in the future.   Herb Geraghty: So I guess my only question left, then, is how can the listeners get involved?  What can the Rehumanize fans and colleagues do to work on this issue?    Nick Reynosa: Well, I think there are a couple of things.  On a local level, there are over 170 fetal [experimentation] programs, so you can go on the NIH site and look at funding to particular universities. Find out if your local university is involved with any kind of fetal experimentation.  You know, one of the hardest things about this job is just how difficult it is to have a clear understanding of it.  A lot of what I learned about this, I learned from Robert Burr who's just been tireless in his efforts, and he just piecemealed together this information. And not everyone has the time that Robert or I have to do that, and I just want to make sure that people have more transparency, so looking into local universities would be a great start. And if they're interested in helping us more generally, we've been working on different legislation.  There is HR 573, which was the Integrity in Research Act, which was looking to abolish unethical fetal experimentation throughout the US. And then there was also, like you were saying, HR 962 which was the add on to the Born Alive Infant Protection Survivor's Act. And if they want to help us more directly, in December on December 19th, SERNOW will be back in San Francisco at Zuckerberg protesting, and will also be at the Walk for For Life in San Francisco.  I believe it's January 23rd.  Those are all ways they can come out and help us.  If someone has more time because of COVID and they're interested in an internship, they could go to survivors.la and apply and they could get connected.  We have a lot of people that come for a couple months out to the Bay Area and help whenever, and that's actually currently on hold because we're getting another group of young people, but when that starts again it will be up in San Francisco. There will probably be a house, and there will be free room and board and such for the interns.  Definitely contact Jeff at survivors.la for that. I really appreciate your time, Herb, and all of the great work that Rehumanize does. Especially you guys are sort of unorthodox, like kind of a more holistic, kind of like left-wing kind of group so that's…   Herb Geraghty:  Ughh I hate when people say we're left-wing.  I'm conservative.   Nick Reynosa: No, I'm sorry, Herb but you know what I mean.   Herb Geraghty: No, I understand.  We're a little different.  The fact that we have left-wingers on staff and sort of our orbit, makes us different enough.   Nick Reynosa: Yeah, so that's important to have that voice. And I appreciate your friendship and all of the work you do, and I hope to come back sometime later and give you lots of great updates about what we're doing.   Herb Geraghty: Absolutely.  Last thing, what is the website and social media so we can follow the work of SERNOW?   Nick Reynosa: So there's survivors.la which is like the parent organization and then there's also SERNOW which is sernow.org and then on social media it's The Society For Ethical Research on Facebook and then on Instagram and Twitter it's @s.e.r.org   Herb Geraghty: Well, sounds great. Thank you so much for coming on Nick. I hope you have a great night.   Nick Reynosa: Thank you. Appreciate it. Take care.   [Music plays]   Maria Oswalt: Thanks for tuning in to the Rehumanize Podcast.  To learn more, check out our website at rehumanizeintl.org or follow us on social media @rehumanizeintl

In Don't @ Me (2:35), in the wake of the events in Washington, DC on January 6, Tom makes the case for why we need to rehumanize our human connections. Then, in the interview (15:42), Tom is joined by Canadian author, speaker, and consultant Tom Hierck to discuss student behavior and school culture. Finally, in Assessment Corner (1:01:39), Tom addresses a question about eliminating "grading" and why it's so important to be clear on whether we mean "grading the verb" or "grading the noun."Follow Tom Hierck on Twitter: @thierckFollow Tom Hierck on LinkedIn: Tom HierckWebsite: www.tomhierck.com Email the Podcast: tomschimmerpod@gmail.comFollow the Podcast on Twitter: @TomSchimmerPodFollow Tom on Twitter: @TomSchimmerInstagram: tomschimmerpodcastFacebook: Schimmer Education

There's a lot of alchemy here mucho Yay! https://www.ber-hendawilliams.com and http://adriennemareebrown.net. Plus I go off the cornice (again) with Karen Scheuner https://www.mindful-nutrition.com. More mentions to come.

Often our most important training days as runners are the ones when we do nothing. Our recovery days are crucial, and without them, the hard work we put it wouldn’t result in much. When our muscles are allowed to heal properly, they can repair themselves and grow stronger. A continual pounding doesn’t allow for that. With all the stress-related and emotionally-heavy issues we have been faced with recently, it seemed like a good time for a more relaxing episode. Like our legs and lungs, our minds and souls could do with a recovery period, so that’s what we aimed for in this episode. Oren Jay Sofer is an author, instructor, guide, and teacher. HIs expertise is in mindfulness, meditation and nonviolent communication. You can hear his voice and join in his classes that he hosts on his website, or on apps like Calm and 10% Happier. If you need a break from the world this week, and advice on how to deal with the stress we’re all experiencing, read on and tune in. What is Meditation? If you’re like me, the first thing that comes to mind when thinking about meditation is an old man sitting crossed-legged somewhere in nature for hours on end. This can definitely be described as meditation, but so can many other forms of meditation. The point is typically to be aware of your thoughts, but not judgmental. The definition of mediation varies, but a starting point you can think about is that meditation is training for your mind. If you find your thoughts wandering, or maybe even catch yourself thinking some negative things, don’t feel like you are failing at meditation. The point isn’t so much to have a perfectly clear mind as it is to understand how your mind works. Keep practicing. Why Meditate? To begin, Oren gives a short parable on how meditating is effective. This is incredibly important for those of us that feel like we don’t have time to meditate. Think about a logger who spends his days cutting down trees with his axe. As time goes on, his axe becomes dull, and so his rate of falling trees starts to decrease. To make up for his inefficient axe, he works harder, faster, and longer. A fellow logger notices his axe and offers him a sharpener, but he replies that he doesn’t have time to sharpen his axe, he needs to reach his tree cutting quota. You get where this is going. Meditation isn’t an extra thing that is required of you that takes energy. Meditation is the sharpener that will allow you to perform more efficiently at all the tasks you are faced with. What Else Can Meditation Do for Me? Another visual story can illustrate what mediation might do for you. A hamster runs on her fixed wheel all day long. At one point she is approached by another hamster who introduces her to meditation. She jumps off the wheel for a while, meditates, and then gets back on, running faster than ever. After a while, the meditation she does everyday prompts her to think about her fixed wheel, and why she is always running on it. What is the purpose? What else is there to do? Meditation can help you clear your mental inbox. It lets all the thoughts roam around without judgement and slowly you begin to find those things that are most important. Meditation and Your Relationships A great benefit of training your mind through meditation is the ability to communicate more rationally and effectively. We are faced with a myriad of issues and relationships today that require a lot of control and focus when communicating. As you train your mind to recognize your thoughts before you speak them, you’ll be a better communicator. What to Do Today Oren suggests four things to practice in order to keep ourselves and relationships healthy. See if there is one that you can implement today! 1) Stay connected with people. Don’t let different opinions get in the way. Nearly all our stances can be boiled down to a similar goal we have. Work to see what that is. 2) Take care of yourself in basic ways. That means rest, movement, meditation, and food. 3) Limit your news intake. This can be extremely draining and addictive. Stay engaged, but set limits. 4) Stay nonviolent. This is similar to number one. See the humanity in everyone. We all have vulnerabilities, and as we see them, we are kinder to one another. Resources: Oren’s Website Oren on Instagram Oren on Twitter 10% Happier Calm Book     Thank you to my wonderful sponsor Tracksmith, Inside Tracker, Tee's Kreation for sponsoring this episode of the Running for Real Podcast.   Tracksmith is a Boston based running clothing company that truly cares about the quality and care of their running clothes. Running can be a demanding lifestyle for our clothes, they definitely go through the wear and tear to where we may be purchasing new clothes constantly. 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Politics is the most LOW-resolution way to see other people and the world. Everywhere we see evidence of dehumanization. This kind of rhetoric doesn’t just polarize, it drives people underground. We must, as artists and citizens, resist this dehumanization with all our might. We must intentionally and proactively rehumanize.

Tune in to this episode of Real Talk Ft. Ethan Beute, the Author of the book "Rehumanize Your Business" and Chief Evangelist at BombBomb, as we explore methods to revamp the strategies used for building better business relationships using video messaging! Learn how to connect, communicate and convert while improving the customer experience! BombBomb makes it easy to build relationships through email, text, and social media. BombBomb has grown dramatically over the past decade. Through periods of rapid growth, the team’s worked hard to maintain a positive, collaborative culture based on a clear mission and core values.

In this episode, Sue Suh (1992), Chief People Officer for TIME, joins as host to talk with Steven Olikara (2008), Founder and CEO of the Millennial Action Project (MAP). The Millennial Action Project has an audacious mission: activate young leaders to bridge the partisan divide and transform American politics. “Bridge building isn't rocket science, it's… The post A Quest to Rehumanize Politics with Steven Olikara (2008) appeared first on Coca-Cola Scholars Foundation.

In this episode of the Startup Selling Podcast, I interviewed Ethan Beute.   As the Chief Evangelist at BombBomb, coauthor of Rehumanize Your Business, and host of The Customer Experience Podcast, Ethan has collected and shared people’s video success stories in a variety of formats for a decade. He’s even sent 10,000 videos himself.    Prior to joining BombBomb, he spent a dozen years leading marketing teams inside local television stations in Chicago, Grand Rapids, and Colorado Springs.    He holds undergraduate and graduates degrees from the University of Michigan and UCCS in communication, psychology, and marketing.   Some of the key topics that we discussed in this episode are:   How to rehumanize your sales process? What does it mean to be more human? How do we use videos as a tool kit? How video allows you to be more empathetic and curious in a way that email cannot do.  Being seen and heard by using videos The paradox of vulnerability The psychology of proximity Social reciprocity Commodified products  Video creates irrational buyer forces   Link & Resources: Ethan Beute LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/ethanbeute BombBomb Website:   bombbomb.com BombBomb on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/bombbomb Rehumainze Your Business by Ethan Beute: bombbomb.com/book   Listen & subscribe to The Startup Selling Show here: Stitcher | Spotify | iTunes | Soundcloud | SalesQualia.com   Thanks so much for listening! Tell a friend or ten about The Startup Selling Show, and please leave a review wherever you’re listening to the show.  

In today's world of virtual meetings, text messages, and cold, impersonal emails, how do we bring the human factor back into our client and prospect relationships. Our guest today, Stephen Pacinelli, is the co-author of Rehumanize Your Business and I think you're going to love what he has to share. Stephen is the Chief Marketing Officer at BombBomb where he is an advocate for helping businesses integrate one-to-one videos into every aspect of their organization. You will learn about practical ways companies are using asynchronous video to improve their client experience, something that is core to the revenue growth engine. This conversation is packed with practical ideas.

In today’s world of virtual meetings, text messages, and cold, impersonal emails, how do we bring the human factor back into our client and prospect relationships. Our guest today, Stephen Pacinelli, is the co-author of Rehumanize Your Business and I think you’re going to love what he has to share.  Stephen is the Chief Marketing Officer at BombBomb where he is an advocate for helping businesses integrate one-to-one videos into every aspect of their organization. You will learn about practical ways companies are using asynchronous video to improve their client experience, something that is core to the revenue growth engine. This conversation is packed with practical ideas. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Herb is joined by Cherilyn Holloway, the founder of Pro-Black Pro-Life, to discuss ways the pro-life movement can better support the Black community. — Transcript: Voiceover Intro: Hello, and welcome to episode 11 of the Rehumanize podcast. Herb Geraghty: Hello everyone. Herb Geraghty here, back on the Rehumanize podcast. Today, I am joined by Cherilyn Holloway, the founder of a new organization called Pro-Black Pro-Life. Welcome Cherilyn. So just first off the bat, what is the mission of Pro-Black Pro-life? Cherilyn Holloway: The mission of Pro-Black Pro-Life is to reach inside the black community and to sit knee-to-knee and talk about the systemic issues that they face on a daily basis while also introducing them to the issue of life and abortion that's also happening in our community. And I just believe that in order to do that, we have to build trust and they have to understand that we are for them and not against them, but that they recognize that abortion is something that's happening in our community--to us and not for us. Herb Geraghty: So I think the listeners of the Rehumanize podcast typically would, I would say know what it means to be pro-life. But I think that pro-black might be new to some of them. So could you just talk a little bit about what that means to you? How do you be pro-black? Cherilyn Holloway: Yeah, I think that the pro-life movement has done an excellent job of polarizing and keeping out the black community in terms of talking about racism outside of abortion. And so the term pro-black just says that we are for the advancement of the black community at every stage of life. And saying that is really in camaraderie with what they're already seeing with Black Lives Matter and the other issues that they're facing, but also saying that I'm also pro-life. And so you can be both. Being pro-life does not put you in a box that says that you're a bunch of other things; being pro-life stands alone, just like being pro-black stands alone. And more so, being pro-black doesn't mean that we're anti-white. It just means that we focus on the issues that are in my community in order to bring them full circle, and understanding what it means to support whole life. Herb Geraghty: You mentioned the sort of mainstream, traditional pro-life movement. Can we talk a little bit about where you think the pro-life movement, as it is now, sort of succeeds and fails when it comes to reaching the black community? Cherilyn Holloway: I think the pro-life movement succeeds at reaching the black community with their pregnancy centers. I think pregnancy centers have missions to reach all abortion-minded women, and they desperately want to reach even outside of their community. And so I feel like in that situation, they are completely whole life. They understand the importance. But I think the pro-life message has been construed as a political message, and when we do that, we really polarize and keep people outside of the movement. Because if I'm not pro-Trump Republican then I can't be pro-life, or if I say I'm pro-life, then people are going to automatically think I'm those [additional] things. And we have not done a great job of saying, "No no no, pro-life is just a part of what your beliefs are, and it does not mean any of the other things." Just like when I say I'm pro-black doesn't mean that I don't believe that other image bearers matter. It just means that this is the part of my community that I'm relating to that is struggling right now and that they need help. And I think that the pro-life movement has failed us in terms of really not allowing that messaging in, by saying, "We're not talking about that, we need to have this narrative that says just this one thing on abortion and the abortion commute and the abortion industry," and not allowing for the other experience of black people to come in and to help shape that. Herb Geraghty: I would say that as someone who--I've tried to be a supporter of the Black Lives Matter movement, I try to be knowledgeable on these issues, but I'm also very active within the traditional pro-life movement. I've definitely seen that. I've seen my sort of, what I see as an innocuous Twitter post--just #blacklivesmatter--something that I think is, you know, an obvious thing to say, can come across to certain people within the wider conservative movement especially, but also [within] the pro-life movement, as, you know, an attack against them in some way, or an attack against white people or an attack against their values. And I think for me, I have a hard time sort of bridging that gap because I think that we're talking past each other a lot of the time. Herb Geraghty: I think that, in the way that when I say I'm pro-life and then all my, you know, fellow left-leaning LGBT friends assume that means that I'm a bigot and that I'm with Donald Trump on all of his policies, the same thing sort of happens when I say black lives matter. Pro-lifers think that that means that, you know, I'm a Planned Parenthood clinic escort and I support the Democratic Party, or I'm Antifa; sort of all these things that they, you know, have major issues with. And I think that it's so important for people like you, who can be a representative of sort of both sides of this very polarized debate, to say, "No, these aren't in conflict at all. In fact, these go together. You know, I'm pro-black because I'm pro-life, I'm pro-life because I'm pro-black. They don't contradict each other at all." And I think it's so important that people, you know, with your message, get that across, because without the black community, we're not gonna win this fight. Without the black community, even if, you know, abortion is illegal, we're still going to be losing, you know, how, how many millions of black children every year, how many black women are going to be hurt. So I think that this message is so crucial. Cherilyn Holloway: Yeah. And I think that the thing is that we, as humans, love to put people in a box, right? Putting people in a box, putting people in categories makes us feel better about ourselves, because then we feel like we know how to treat people. Like if I agree with you on this, I know how to treat you. Instead of just looking at it from a grand scheme of, of like, I'm just going to treat everyone with kindness and love and really take time to hear what they have to say. Instead of feeling like everything is a defensive attack on my beliefs. If you are a Christ follower and you believe that we are all image bearers, then you should believe that black lives matter. That's not to say that you have signed up and are donating to the Black Lives Matter organization, because we're talking about two totally different things. No one owns the phrase "black lives matter." Herb Geraghty: Yeah. Cherilyn Holloway: You can say "black lives matter" without being a Marxist. Like, you can say it, it's fine. And saying that doesn't mean that other people don't matter. But what we're talking about right now is this point in particular that the pro-life movement has continued to talk about over and over and over again--is the abortion rate in the black community. If you are going to continue to make this point over and over and over again, then be prepared to talk about all the other issues. If you want my community to respond to your efforts to teach them that this is genocide, that Margaret Sanger was racist, and that the whole entire abortion industry was built on racism, then you have to wrap it around your brain that the banking industry, the healthcare industry, the housing industry, all those things too, were also built on systemic racism. Like, that's what we're dealing with. Cherilyn Holloway: We're dealing with those on a daily basis, and what you are communicating to my community is, "We only care about this one thing. We only see racism this one way." And we're not going to listen to that. And so when you wanna know why we're not showing up, it's because we don't trust you. We don't trust you because you're not listening to us. You're not listening to our experiences. When a man has a knee on his neck for 8 minutes and 47 seconds, the first thing you go to is his, like, arrest record. Like, at what point in time does that even matter? Because you're telling me that my child in the womb has rights. It's an innocent child and it has rights. So if this person has an arrest record, all of a sudden they lose these rights? Like, it's a conflict, you know? Cherilyn Holloway: And I just feel like that is where the pro-life movement continues to really disable their voice in my community, really discredit anything that they would ever have to say. And [it] allows people to say, "I'm going to continue to vote this way. I'm going to continue to speak this way, because this group over here clearly doesn't care about me." Like, they won't even address the issue. Every time an issue comes up, they defer to black-on-black crime, or they defer to, like, what criminal thing this person does. Or it's always like, "Oh, they were shot in their car at point blank range by a police officer? Well, what did they do?" Well, if they didn't try to shoot the police officer, what difference does it make? Cherilyn Holloway: Like, nothing really makes sense at that point that would take that person's life. And that's what as pro-lifers we're trying to communicate to the women in the black community when they're going to Planned Parenthood, they're going to the abortion clinic. Like, whatever you're dealing with right now, it's fine. You can get over it, just bring this baby earth side. But once that baby becomes an actual living, breathing child, then we're like, "Eh, thank you. Thank you for doing that for us. Now, if they die at the hands of the police, or they die at the hands of, you know, a healthcare system from infant mortality, or they die at the hands of, you know, poverty, or from growing up in the ghetto from redlining, none of that really matters to us. What matters is that we're no longer aborting these babies in the womb. But we are killing them outside of the womb." Cherilyn Holloway: And that's what they're hearing. And so I feel like the pro-life movement--and being a movement that has tried to shape a narrative in a way that they thought was going to be powerful if everybody was saying the same thing at the same time--did not understand that unity is not uniformity. That, in a way, to make sure that we all come together does not mean that we all have to be saying the exact same thing at the exact same time. That we can all be moving in the exact same direction in different lanes, talking to different people. And sometimes those lanes, those people will intersect lanes, but we're all moving to the same goal that life matters. It is important and we value it. Herb Geraghty: Absolutely. What you were talking about reminded me of a great meme that I saw recently, that I just learned today you [yourself] made. It was a viral meme. It went all over the pro-life community, especially within the, sort of, consistent life ethic pro-life community, but this idea, it was very well communicated in a meme, but this idea that: pro-lifers believe that racism exists, but only in abortion, and pro-choicers believe that racism exists in everything except for abortion. And I think that, you know, I overuse the word "inconsistent" I think, but it's just so inconsistent. We can recognize the reality, especially for those of us who I would say believe in the concept of systemic racism and also think that it is bad (it's so obviously backed by data), [systemic racism] is both present in all of those systems that you mentioned, whether it's healthcare or especially criminal justice, or all of these systems; in business, in the way our economy is structured, from slavery until today. [But] it so obviously is also present in the abortion industrial complex. [The idea] that it wouldn't be, doesn't even make sense considering what we know about American history. Cherilyn Holloway: Yes. Yeah. And I think that, it's really amazing to me that, for one that that post went viral. Herb Geraghty: Yeah, that was, you were sort of first starting this project and immediately everyone was talking about you. Cherilyn Holloway: So, I remember I made that comment a couple of times, like a year ago, just in conversation with someone, and it just baffled me that I would have this conversation with people. And when I would talk about abortion and racism, they would just have this blank stare like, "No, look, we need that access." Or when I would talk about racism aside from abortion, they were like, "No, well, we're past that. We're past racism in America. Like, we had a black president. There's no racism. Just [with] abortion. This is the only place." And I was just so struck by that; like wow, this is a real thing. And it was actually Destiny De La Rosa that said to me, "You really need to make a meme of that." And I'm like, I'm not a graphic designer. Cherilyn Holloway: I can talk a lot, but I'm not putting anything in a meme. And so when I began to work on my social media posting and I had to choose marketing that was actually working on the graphics and I was like, "Here's what I want to say." And our graphic designer--that was attempt number one. And I was like, "Oh my gosh, this is perfect." I didn't expect it to go viral. I really didn't. But I think that the fact that it went viral just attests to this idea that, this is the message that we've been getting. The message is so inconsistent. And people are recognizing it, like, "Wait a minute." Because when I have the conversation one-on-one and I say to people that have never thought about abortion having to do with systemic racism, and we talk about it and we talk about the numbers and we talk about the founder and we talk about the documents. Cherilyn Holloway: They're like, "Oh, it makes perfect sense." Or when I talk to history teachers or professors of Africana studies, and I say, "Did you know this?" And they look at me like, of course we knew that. This is history. This is well-documented history. And anyone who denies this is just denying the facts. That's what it really boils down to. Regardless of what side you're on, you're just denying the facts: the facts that these things were put in place, and we have not--this is not something we can just go in and tweak a couple of things and fix, regardless if it's systemic racism and all the other issues, or systemic racism and abortion, we just can't walk in and tweak a couple things and fix it. We've tried that. We've tried that with diversity and inclusion programs. Cherilyn Holloway: We tried that with, you know, sensitivity programs. You can't just go in and tweak a couple things. You have to tear the system down and rebuild it. That's what's the problem is. If we're talking about the Rockefellers or other families and generations of people that have perpetuated this over years, that are in charge of our banking systems and our housing systems and our prison systems, we have to go in and tear those down and restructure them. Because regardless of how many generations we are removed from it, this is still family upbringing, family, teaching, family ingrained--like, this is the way we're supposed to think. There is white supremacy, and maybe that's not what grandpa called it. You know, maybe grandpa called it preserving our family history or lineage or future, like, this is what we have to do. And so you believe that you're doing something that's very model and helpful to your family. Cherilyn Holloway: But really what you're doing is perpetuating white supremacy. And so we have to go in and be willing to tear the system down and say, "Okay, let's stop advocating for the Hyde amendment to be appealed, and let's figure out why is it that a woman feels like our society is so hostile that she would rather kill her unborn child than to bring it into this world? What have we created that would make a woman feel like that?" That's the question we should be asking not, "Oh, well this is an economic"---no, no, no, no, no. Because if we are 70 years removed from the suffrage movement, why is it that our corporations, that our universities don't have childcare? Why don't we have maternal housing? Why, if we're so strong as women, so strong as bringers of life, why haven't we demanded this? Cherilyn Holloway: These are the things that we should be working to mend. There's not a woman in the United States of America who finds herself pregnant prior to entering medical school that should have to make the decision whether to bring her child into this world or abort, because she won't be able to start medical school. This is 2020, are you kidding me? Herb Geraghty: Yeah. Cherilyn Holloway: That medical school should have free childcare and a place for her to live with that child. Period. Because if we care about women and what they're able to do, the super power--whether you decide to use it or not--the super power that you have of bringing forth life, that's the thing we should be fighting for. We shouldn't be fighting for wanting to be more like men in a way that, "I should not have to have this baby if I don't want to," or "I can't advance in my career." It's 2020. You should be able to advance in your career with your baby by your side. Like, this is crazy. Herb Geraghty: Absolutely. Something that I always say from--I come from a more left-wing perspective, is that abortion is a tool of the capitalist class. It's very common for pro-life feminists to be talking about how, you know, abortion perpetuates and is a tool of patriarchy. But in addition, your boss benefits when you get an abortion. Cherilyn Holloway: Absolutely, absolutely. Herb Geraghty: The CEO of whatever company you're working for benefits if he doesn't have to pay maternity leave. If he doesn't need to deal with the healthcare that that child is going to take from now on. And our society has decided that we value, of course, the male-normative body that can't get pregnant, and our society values those bosses and CEOs' profits over life. [Over] bringing new life into the world, or at least not snuffing life out that already is in this world. And it's, to me, so important to get this message out--not just to the left. Herb Geraghty: Because I think that the left and the people within the Democratic Party--obviously, many African-Americans involved in both of those groups--um, it's important to get this message to them, but it's also vitally important to get this message to the pro-life movement so that they will shut up when we're talking about these issues. Because without these perspectives, without, you know, being able to talk to abortion-minded people in the language that they understand, we're not going to be able to reach them. You know, a conservative Christian might be completely right when he's talking about family values and, you know, responsibility and, you know, everything that you can imagine a white conservative Christian man telling a woman why she should keep her pregnancy and not abort her child. I probably agree with most of what he's saying, but if you're not able to speak to her in a language that she understands, if you're not able to speak to her and let her know that you're able to help her because you understand the injustices she faces every day and you're working with her to tear down those systems of injustice, you're not going to be able to reach them. Cherilyn Holloway: Yeah. Herb Geraghty: And it's so important, I think, for the wider pro-life movement to make space for voices like yours so that we can reach everyone. You know, something that, again, I say a lot is that we're not going to end abortion if we don't have everyone on board. Cherilyn Holloway: Yeah. Herb Geraghty: You know? This is the Rehumanize podcast, so I only talk about things that I think are important, but it is so important. I say it over and over again, but it's so necessary to make sure that we are, you know, giving a platform to women of color, particularly black women of color. I always am excited for atheist black women of color, because, you know, you're a Christian, but we need people who resemble, both ideologically and also physically, the abortion-minded population, because that is who is most effective at reaching them. Cherilyn Holloway: Yeah. And I will say that I am Christian, I was born and raised Christian, but this was never talked about in my church. And so I didn't come to my beliefs from a biblical standpoint until after, um, years after where I realized, "Oh, wait, it's in the Bible too?" And so it was really just me, my own struggles after my abortion feeling like something wasn't right in the decisions I made after that, of feeling like my self worth was so low. And I couldn't understand why. I thought I was in control, but I wasn't in control. It was so messy. So, so messy. And it wasn't until I was in my thirties where I realized like, wait, let's go back. And let's revisit these other choices that I made and see where things could have kind of gotten... the wires could have gotten tangled. Cherilyn Holloway: And I realized that it was during my abortions that I, you know, I have two prior abortion choices. One when I was 15 and one when I was about 29, and, um, I didn't realize it at the time. When I was 29, I knew I was wrong. I knew what I was doing. I had already had two kids. And I knew exactly what I was doing. No one had to tell me like, "Oh, it's no big deal. It's a clump of cells." I've brought these clumps of cells earth side. Like, I know the possibility. So I knew what I was doing. And after that, I knew I needed help. I needed some type of healing. And through that is when I began to be able to process and really kind of understand that as women, there is a deeper connection when we are pregnant. Cherilyn Holloway: Something begins to happen from our mind to our heart, to our body, that is not something that can be explained. It's not necessarily that you feel this feeling of motherhood, because that's a lie, but there's something else chemically and emotionally happening that when it's gone, those things don't go away. And I felt lied to, and I felt like I wanted to warn women. I wanted to warn women that if you make this choice, it will not go away. If you make this choice, this choice will not keep you from your behavior. Like, you can say, "Oh, I promise if I make this choice, I will change." It's not--this is not the defining factor. And actually, this is going to make you feel worse. And this is going to potentially have you making other decisions that you will not connect until maybe even 10, 15 years down the road. Cherilyn Holloway: So that's what brought me into the movement initially: my own experience and wanting to warn women. Like, "If you make that decision, I will still be here when you're done, but please understand it does not erase it. It just will not just go away. You will then begin to have to deal with other things." And, you know, I also feel like when we talk about the pro-life movement and we talk about systemic racism, when we talk about even the whole life issue, that people in the movement that don't feel like that is their call[ing]--whether you're in apologetics or you are just advocating for that baby in the womb, that's okay. It's okay. You're not wrong. Like, I'm not saying that you're wrong. I'm not saying that your call is not your call; but then don't feel like me being pro-black and pro-life is wrong because it doesn't match what you're doing. Cherilyn Holloway: You know? What I'm doing should not offend you in any way. It should not make you feel like I'm threatening you in any way. Like, there are plenty of people that can do apologetics around and around and around me, and as being someone who's pro-life, would still not be to be able to keep up because that's not my call. That doesn't mean that because I'm pro-black and pro-life that your call is unnecessary, right? No, we need you, too. We need all of the pieces to the puzzle to bring this forth. And you said this today, Herb, in your speech--we need everybody, we need all of the voices. And I think that it's interesting that this is a movement that feels like if someone says something different, even if they're anti-abortion, or even if they're pro-life or whatever you want to call it, they feel like when somebody says something different, they're like, "[Gasp] No, we can't, we can't--don't promote that. That's so different than what we're trying to do." Cherilyn Holloway: No, no, no. Be free. You have a calling: fulfill your calling. Be free in that. And you may run into someone, you may run into that black woman that's like, "Oh, I just feel like people don't care about the plight of black America. I feel like you only care about the pro-life movement." That's when you say, "Hey, have you heard of Cherilyn Holloway? She is someone you can talk to." Because what you know for sure is that I will speak up about abortion. Like, you know that for sure. And you may not be able to reach them on the pro-black issue. And you may not want to reach them on the pro-black issue, because that may not be your thing, but you have someone to direct them to. Cherilyn Holloway: If someone says to me, "Hey, Cherilyn, I feel it. And I'm also, you know, anti-war and I'm pro LGBTQ and all these things, where can I go?" And I'm like, Rehumanize. That's where you need to go. Like, you know, LGBTQ for life. That's where you need to go. There's a place for you. It may not be my lane, but that doesn't mean that it's wrong. And I feel like that's the thing that kept me so long from using my voice--is this feeling that people, the voices around me kept saying, "You're wrong. We don't need you. We need more people saying this [particular thing], we need more people saying the same thing that we're saying." And it got to a point when the Ahmaud Arbery shooting happened, and it finally came to life, where I just felt like, the time is now. It's time. As in NOW. People are hurting and they're hearing again the same thing, like, "Oh, well, what did he do?" You know? And people are frustrated by that. Like, he didn't do anything that caused him to lose his life. And his--at one point in time, he was an unborn child. I need you to fight for him now, just as you would have when he was in the womb. And if you can't do that, send the people to me. Herb Geraghty: Cherilyn, thank you so much. I don't think I have anything to add to that. Do you have anything that you would like to promote? Where can we find you? How can we support your work? Cherilyn Holloway: Oh, you can find me everywhere. So I have a Facebook page @problackprolife1619, same thing Instagram, @problackprolife1619. YouTube Pro-Black Pro-Life, I do videos. They're really just history-based, little short snippet-like lessons, things for you to think about. You can email me at cherilyn@problackprolife.com. I think that's it. I think those are all the places that you can find me. Cherilyn Holloway: I do--there's also a podcast, PBPL Conversations, which really is just me walking out what I am encouraging other people to do. So it's, like, me showing you, how do you have conversations with people that live in different areas or have different viewpoints of you in your community? And so, there's conversation up right now with Christina Bennett. There's a conversation up with Regan Philips who believes that, you know, the access that Planned Parenthood has given in our community, the black community and our neighborhood, supersedes the--what they do in abortion. And that's a conversation I feel like everyone should listen to. She's a dear friend of mine. There's a conversation with M-J Xavier, who lives in the UK, talking about what racism looks like over there and what abortion looks like over there. She's a black woman who has an amazing story. And so that's another place that you can find us. That's PBPL Conversations on conversations on all of the podcast channels. Those are not edited, Herb. Like, those are what I call "I said what I said" podcasts. Herb Geraghty: [Laughs] We could not do that. I am every day at grateful that we have Maria Oswalt on our staff, who can edit out all of the ridiculous things that I say when I'm trying to come up with the questions that I really want to ask. Cherilyn Holloway: I typically ask five--the same five questions. That's my role, that's what I think saves me, is I typically try to ask the same five questions to every single person. But there is a lot of foolishness--a lot of like, wait, are we still recording? Could this be edited? No, it can't. I don't have those skills. I don't have a Maria. I don't have those skills. Sorry about your luck. [Laughs] Um, my YouTube videos are edited by Choose Life Marketing and the amazing production staff there. So I'm grateful for that because there are a lot of, like, pauses in those where I lose my train of thought. But as far as the podcasts, those are completely real conversations that have happened from the time we log on to the time we log off. And maybe one day I'll figure out how to add the intro and the outro. maybe I won't. I dunno. [Laughs] Herb Geraghty: Well, thank you so much. Cherilyn Holloway: My pleasure. It's always a pleasure, Herb. I love you and I love everything that Rehumanize does, and I will continue to support you guys to the end of time. Herb Geraghty: Absolutely. I can't wait to work together in the future. Voiceover Outro: Thanks for tuning in to the Rehumanize podcast. To learn more, check out our website at rehumanizeintl.org, or follow us on social media @rehumanizeintl. —  Intro/outro music: "Belize," by Monty Datta. https://montydatta.bandcamp.com/track/belize  — Learn more about Rehumanize International at rehumanizeintl.org!

How can we humanize our sales interactions--especially as we function in a virtual world. This week, Ethan Beute shares practical ideas on how to use video in the sales process. Ethan is the author of Rehumanize Your Business: How Personal Videos Accelerate Sales and Improve Customer Experience. As the Chief Evangelist for Bomb Bomb, Ethan is a pioneer in the rapid growth in video as a way to bring the personal touch to sales. You'll leave this episode with powerful ideas that you can put to work to grow your sales and deepen your client relationships.

How can we humanize our sales interactions--especially as we function in a virtual world. This week, Ethan Beute shares practical ideas on how to use video in the sales process. Ethan is the author of Rehumanize Your Business: How Personal Videos Accelerate Sales and Improve Customer Experience. As the Chief Evangelist for Bomb Bomb, Ethan is a pioneer in the rapid growth in video as a way to bring the personal touch to sales. You'll leave this episode with powerful ideas that you can put to work to grow your sales and deepen your client relationships.

The Connected Yoga Teacher Podcast 179: Get Confident with Video with Alicia Berruti   Description:   Video is a really amazing tool, and particularly in this time where a lot of us are encountering a lot of physical distancing, video is the best way to really reach out and form connections with people. Yet, a lot of us struggle with video, and with being confident enough to put ourselves and our message out there. We shouldn't be missing out on opportunities to use video because we lack confidence, so Alicia Berruti is her eto share with us her take on doing videos confidently.   Alicia Berruti is the National Speaker at BombBomb, a video enablement platform that helps people communicate face-to-face via video. They are focused on bringing back the human side of communication to the virtual world, by making it easy to record, send, and track videos, allowing you to be “in person” with those who matter most to your business at any given time. In her role at BombBomb, Alicia teaches and inspires people to use simple videos to ReHumanize business communication and get face-to-face with clients and prospects more often.   "I don't look good on video." "I can't figure out the technology for videos." "I get so nervous doing videos." If this sounds like you, you need to listen to this episode. Alicia and Shannon dive into overcoming fear around videos and gaining confidence to do them. Alicia also shares why video is an important communication tool, not just for social media, but to actually talk to people and build a deep connection with them. She talks about how we can move past some of the hang ups we may have around putting ourselves out there to show up on camera, and how we can get started with using videos more effectively and intentionally.   Key Takeaways: [9:25] Shannon introduces her guest for this episode - Alicia Berruti. [11:58] What does Alicia do and who does she do it for? [13:36] How did Alicia start helping people get comfortable with being on video? [15:31] What did Alicia's journey of loving her own body and feeling comfortable in her own skin? [20:50] Alicia shares about the power of gratitude in her own life and changing how she sees her body. [21:30] Feeling confident is a process, and it's something we have to work on constantly. [25:43] Video is effective because it gives people an opportunity to get to know, like and trust you. [29:44] Think about what the world would have missed out on if Oprah had waited to be comfortable in her body to get get in front of the camera. [31:13] What is Alicia's response to some common reasons people have for not doing video? [39:11] Shannon and Alicia discuss why we should be sharing on video because of the value we bring. [43:06] What is BombBomb? [49:08] Video can help convey tonality, which is often lacking in our emails and text messages! [52:22] Shannon sometimes replies to people on Instagram and Facebook messenger on video, and it makes such a difference. [54:46] There is a 14-day free trial of BombBomb available for you to check out how it could work in your business. [1:01:36] Find out more about BombBomb on the website, or get connected with Alicia on Instagram. [1:04:26] What do you think about a live video challenge? Share your thoughts with Shannon!   Links: Alicia Berruti on Instagram @al_berruti BombBomb  14-day Free Trial with BombBomb The Connected Yoga Teacher Podcast Episode 167: How to Make a Recruiting Plan with Reneé Clair The Connected Yoga Teacher Podcast Episode 088: Creating Professional Yoga Videos ith Kira Sloane The Connected Yoga Teacher Podcast Episode 086: Live Video for Yoga Teachers with Ian Gray The Connected Yoga Teacher Podcast Episode 139: Grow Your Yoga Business via Email with Tarzan Kay Yoga for Pelvic Health Teacher Training   Gratitude to our Sponsor Schedulicity and Time Blocking 101 with Renee Clair - Code: TCYT   Quotes from this episode: "The #1 thing that keeps people from doing video is this uncomfortability with being on camera." - Alicia   "Video is effective and video works because it gives people an opportunity to build 'know, like and trust' with you." - Alicia   "People can connect with human and flawed better than they can connect with perfect and polished." - Alicia   "We're just better face-to-face." - Alicia

Americans agree overwhelmingly on any number of critical issues—until the pollsters get involved, phrasing their questions in ways they know will confuse, mislead, and divide, and lead the politicians looking to those polls to embrace positions that alienate rather than bring Americans together. It's an under-appreciated truth of our national life that Americans of all ages, backgrounds, and beliefs affirm the human right to life, for instance. Terrisa Bukovinak of Pro-Life San Francisco returns to Life, Liberty, and Law and is joined by Herb Geraghty and Krista Corbello of Rehumanize International, whose mission is to ensure that each and every human being's life is respected, valued, and protected. Rehumanize adheres to an ethos called the Consistent Life Ethic, which calls for an opposition to all forms of aggressive violence against human beings. Tom Shakely speaks with Terrisa, Herb, and Krista on these issues and more. Rehumanize International https://www.rehumanizeintl.org Pro-Life San Francisco https://www.prolifesf.com

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In this ep., Amir speaks with Chief Evangelist of BombBomb, Ethan Beute, about using video messaging to support face-to-face communication increase collaboration, especially when physical meetings aren't possible. For more: theghannadgroup.com/blog/ttlpodcast-068

Steve Pacinelli is BombBomb's Chief Marketing Officer. Steve has served as a Sales Manager, a Vice President of Events, and the National Speaker for Realtor.com, delivering presentations to more than 1,000 audiences. He's been a featured speaker at conferences by RE/MAX, Keller Williams, Inman News, and others. He's traveled more than one million miles and delivered as many as 120 speaking engagements a year. He has been recognized for 2010's Most Innovative Blog from Inman News, and was named a Top 20 Social Influencer in Real Estate in 2016, 2017, and 2018 in the Swanpoel Report. Episode Highlights: Steve discusses how he realized as a young kid that he had a natural sales ability. Hear about Steve’s sales career from door-to-door to managing teams selling 7-figures. Learn how Steve became involved with BombBomb. Listen to amazing stories of how BombBomb is keeping people connected in the midst of COVID–19. Get a sneak peak at Steve's brand new book. 3 Key Points: You don’t have to reinvent the wheel when there is already a clear cut path. Sometimes it pays to choose learning over earning Be interested in other people. No matter who you’re talking to, they have something of value to offer. Tweetable Quotes: “Be of value and abundance will follow.” – Steve Pacinelli "Sales come from relationships.” – Travis Chappell Resources Mentioned: https://bombbomb.com/ (https://bombbomb.com/) https://amzn.to/2xC3Ry8 (https://amzn.to/2xC3Ry8) Visit Travis’ website at travischappell.com (https://create.acast.com/episodes/3b48e6da-a672-4e83-9897-ddefc4e88bc7/travischappell.com) Join the Build Your Network Facebook group travischappell.com/group (https://create.acast.com/episodes/3b48e6da-a672-4e83-9897-ddefc4e88bc7/travischappell.com/group) If you want to amplify your network... For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy (https://www.acast.com/privacy)

In this ep., Amir speaks with Chief Evangelist of BombBomb, Ethan Beute, about using video messaging to support face-to-face communication increase collaboration, especially when physical meetings aren’t possible. For more: theghannadgroup.com/blog/ttlpodcast-068

Video is here to stay, and it is revolutionizing the way salespeople connect, prospect, sell, and service. Ethan Beute, author of "Rehumanize Your Business- How Personal Videos Accelerate Sales Improve Customer Experience" shares how video is being used in all parts of the prospecting and sales process, and how you can easily and quickly do it too. And he has provided several valuable free guides for getting started, and getting comfortable on camera.

Get a free 30-day trial of FreshBooks right now, no credit card required. Go to Freshbooks.com/HACK and enter HACK THE ENTREPRENEUR in the how did you hear about us section. My guest today has been practicing, learning, and teaching the art and process of increasing sales and improving customer experience with simple, personal videos for more than a decade. He has personally sent more than 10,000 videos himself. After a career in local television marketing, he joined the BombBomb, a software company that helps professionals get face to face through video for clearer communication, human connection, and higher conversion. During the past nine years, he grew into the VP of Marketing before moving to his new role as Chief Evangelist. In 2019, he co-wrote a book called Rehumanize Your Business, the definitive guide to using simple, personal videos in emails, text messages, and social messaging for clearer communication, human connection, and higher conversion. Now, let's hack... Ethan Beute.

In this episode of Important Work, we welcome Ethan Beute to the show to learn how to Rehumanize Your Business. Ethan is Chief Evangelist at BombBomb, and co-author of the new book Rehumanize Your Business. Ethan is passionate about improving your communication and connection to people through simple, personal videos. http://www.mygroundswell.com  

Ethan Beute shares tips and advice on how to rehumanize your business. Chief Evangelist at BombBomb, co-author of Rehumanize Your Business, and host of The Customer Experience Podcast, Ethan Beute has collected and told personal video success stories in hundreds of blog posts, in dozens of webinars, podcasts, and stage presentations, and in countless conversations. He spent a dozen years leading marketing teams inside local television stations in Chicago, Grand Rapids, and Colorado Springs. His undergraduate and graduate degrees from the University of Michigan and UCCS in communication, psychology, and marketing were conferred in the highest distinction.  Ethan will share his thoughts on: Every day, you're entrusting some of your most important and valuable messages to a form of communication that doesn't differentiate you, doesn't build trust and rapport, and isn't as clear or effective as looking someone in the eye and speaking to her or him.Any business or business process that isn't built on trust, rapport, and relationship will be automated.Any process that is needs a more personal and human touch.Simple webcam and smartphone videos recorded and sent in place of some of your plain, typed-out text can help you with clearer communication, human connection, and higher conversion. (This type of video doesn't require all the time, expertise, and expense that "video" in your business traditionally has required. It's easier than you think.) Website | Twitter | LinkedIn | Instagram

A passionate storyteller by nature who measures his success by helping people reach their potential, Steve Pacinelli serves as the Chief Marketing Officer of BombBomb. He is also the co-author of Rehumanize Your Business: How Personal Videos Accelerate Sales and Improve Customer Experience.   In this episode, we cover: 3:19 – How to close sales […] The post CL246: How To Rehumanize Your Business With Personal Videos – Interview with Stephen Pacinelli appeared first on James Taylor.

In this episode Ethan Beutet explains why adding video to your prospecting email is such a powerful tool. Learn how to start incorporating video into your prospecting process to dramatically enhance your results. Ethan is Chief Evangelist at BombBomb, a software company that helps working professionals rehumanize their businesses. Ethan believes that business relationships should be built upon conversation - active listening and honest feedback. Through BombBomb, he and his partner Steve are disrupting marketing and sales, getting people face to face through video for clearer communication, human connection, and higher conversion. Today's show is sponsored by Audible.com. Audible.com is a leading provider of spoken audio entertainment and information. Listen to audiobooks whenever and wherever you want. Get a free book when you sign up for a 30-day free trial at audibletrial.com/businessgrowth.

Chief Evangelist at BombBomb, host of The Customer Experience Podcast, and coauthor of Rehumanize Your Business, Ethan's collected and told personal video success stories in hundreds of blog posts, in dozens of webinars, podcasts, and stage presentations, and in countless conversations. He spent a dozen years leading marketing inside local television stations in Chicago, Grand Rapids, and Colorado Springs. His undergraduate and graduate degrees from the University of Michigan and UCCS in communication, psychology, and marketing were conferred with highest distinction.

Dave Mead has a fascinating story that will inspire you. Despite having an accomplished military career, Dave defaulted to living a life that was "invisible" - never wanting to stand out as either under or over-performing. But, when he discovered insights through CliftonStrengths and the power of coaching, it helped him know who he truly is and empowered him to live a life of significance. This led Dave to start WeAlign, a coaching movement that empowers people to know and love their strengths, flourish in their contributions, and foster workplace cultures fueled by joy. Dave will share his own inspiring story, as well as those of the people whom he's helped. This isan episode you'll want to share with your friends and colleagues. Free resource: 30 minute coaching discovery call. email askpete@petecoaching.comwith the subject line:Discovery

I am continuously looking for new authentic ways to connect with people. Personal connections have been essential for me when looking to create new business relationships. It's a vital part of my professional strategy. The goal is to expand my business in an organic way that genuinely connects with the people I intend to work with professionally.  There are many ways to accomplish this, but the strategies that interest me are the ones the maximize our human connections. I do business intending to inspire or to be of service to my clients and audience. The best way to do this is by having a presence in their lives. Video helps you create a presence and a relationship that's more intimate than an email, a text, or a web blast. As entrepreneurs, it can have a massive impact on our business. To dive deeper into the power of utilizing personal video in business, I've brought on entrepreneur and author Ethan Beute. Chief Evangelist at BombBomb, host of The Customer Experience Podcast, and co-author of Rehumanize Your Business, Ethan's collected and told video success stories in blog posts, on webinars, from stages, and in countless conversations for nearly a decade. Before that, he ran marketing teams inside local television stations in Chicago, Grand Rapids, and Colorado Springs. To find out how you can improve your business and relationship by using video, download this episode now. THE WARRIOR OF INTENTION "You don't get what you don't ask for." - Ethan Beute Highlights - Using personal videos will boost your business.  Utilize the power of video emails, eye contact, and hand gestures.   Start with short messages or fun themes like Thank you Thursday.   Smiling when answering calls or leaving a message always helps.  It is essential to use structure when developing your message.  Step One: Have an opening. Step Two: Express empathy. Step Three: Have value. Step Four: A call to action. Step Four: Close. Guest Contact - Ethan's Website Ethan's Twitter Ethan's Instagram Ethan's Book: Rehumanize your Business Ethan's Podcast: The Customer Experience Podcast  Ethan's YouTube Contact Jeffrey - Website Coaching support My book, LINGO: Discover Your Ideal Customer's Secret Language and Make Your Business Irresistible is now available! Watch my TEDx LincolnSquare video and please share!  Resources - Have Your Website Brand Message Reviewed! Is your website and are all your marketing materials speaking the right LINGO of your ideal customers? Often it's not which is why you're not converting traffic and leads to clients and attracting your most profitable customers. Fill out the simple LINGO Review application and I'll take a look at your website. If I have suggestions for you to improve your brand message (I almost always do), we'll set up a complimentary 30-minute call to discuss. A select number of websites are also chosen for my LINGO Review Video Series. Fill out the application today and let's get your business speaking the right LINGO! Music by Jawn

Welcome to the Stump a Catholic podcast.  Today the boys talk about anti-woman evangelist John MacArthur's comments regarding preacher and activist, Beth Moore. We also talk about Trenton's control issues and we recap the Rehumanize International conference.  Music in this episode:  Favorite Person by Indian and the Jones Approximate Time Stamps: 4:30 - Welcome to the stump a Catholic podcast 8:00 - Stump a Catholic 20:00 - Honoring Moore(s) 48:40 - Rehumanize International conference 1:09:30 - Listener feedback   Footnotes: Sweet Child o' Mine Video John MacArthur's comments on Beth Moore Rehumanize International Shareef Cousin in Time Magazine To submit your answer to today's question of the week, hit us up! @ReyGuevara across all social media or email the Permanent Waves Podcast Network at PermanentWavesPodcast@gmail.com 

Data shows that using one-to-one, personalized videos in your marketing gets better results, but few marketers or actually using it. This week on The Inbound Success Podcast, BombBomb Chief Evangelist Ethan Beute breaks down the topic of personalized video - from why to use it, to how to do it well, when to use, who it's right for, and what kinds of results you can expect.  Bottom line - by just about every measurement of success, using one-to-one videos gets better results. And with so many new technologies available to make the creation of one-to-one video easy and affordable, there is no reason not to get started. Highlights from my conversation with Ethan include: BombBomb is a video platform that, amongst other things, supports the creation of one-to-one, personalized videos. Ethan says that we are successful when we connect with people and are sincere in our ability to provide value - so this ability to do it in a more complete way, with today's technology, is simply a return to the way business was exclusively done just a few generations ago. The biggest reason more marketers don't use one-to-one video is that it requires vulnerability, and many people are uncomfortable appearing on camera. There is also a behavior, or habit, change required so that when people would normally sit down at a keyboard and type out a message, they think instead about creating a video. A great way to get started with one-to-one video is by sending it to people who already know and like you - for example, your internal colleagues. There are several use cases for one-to-one video, from landing pages with form fills, to frequently asked questions, emails, customer testimonials, and success stories. Other common use cases include when you have to explain something complicated, or demonstrate a product. Ethan recommends that if you include a video in email, you don't put the full text of the video into the email. Use the email like a teaser. The most important thing to consider when making one-to-one videos is what is in it for the recipient. Why would they open your video? A couple of things you can to do increase the chances someone will watch your video are use an animated preview thumbnail, and do something in the first few frames to really customize it, like hold up a whiteboard with the recipient's name, or do a screen capture of their LinkedIn profile. Adding one-to-one video to your emails generates powerful results. 81% of people said they get more replies and responses, 87% of people say they get more clicks, one in six said they doubled or more than doubled their click rate, 68% say they convert more leads, and 10% said they doubled or more than doubled their conversion rate.  These same results all increase by 2 to 5% when you use an unformatted email template meant to mimic a personalized gmail. Resources from this episode: Visit the BombBomb website Connect with Ethan on LinkedIn Follow Ethan on Twitter Learn more about using personalized video in Ethan's book Rehumanize Your Business Check out BomBomb's gmail video solution Listen to the podcast to learn more about using one-to-one video in your marketing. Transcript Kathleen Booth (Host): Welcome back to the Inbound Success Podcast. I'm your host, Kathleen Booth, and this week, my guest is Ethan Beute, who is the Chief Evangelist at BombBomb. Welcome, Ethan. Ethan Beute (Guest): Thank you so much. I really appreciate the invite, and I'm looking forward to the conversation. Ethan and Kathleen recording this episode together . Kathleen: Me too, and I love your t-shirt. People who are listening can't see this, but he's got on a t-shirt that says, "Rehumanize," which definitely is related to what we're talking about today. Let's start out by having you tell the audience a little bit about yourself and about BombBomb. What do you guys do? About BombBomb Ethan: Sure. I've been with the team for eight years full time and two years part time prior to that. A, we've been at this a long time, and B, I've been involved with it for a long time. We maybe had a couple hundred customers when I started full time back in 2011 and more than 45,000 today, so it's been a really interesting journey. And I think it's just, there's so many factors that we're working in our favor at the time. What we do, we make it very easy for people to get face-to-face again through simple video. The ideal situation is that you and I could get together and have this conversation in person, but time and distance are the things that keep us apart. Here, we were able to work out time, and then, we use Zoom to cover the distance. It allows us to be there in person when we can't be there in person, and that's what this style of video is. It's simple, personal videos, typically webcam, smartphone, unscripted, conversational. Not to put on your home page, not to build a YouTube channel with, but in order to get face-to-face again where it matters most for you, and for your customers and future customers. We have a tool set that works in Gmail, in Outlook, in Salesforce, in Outreach, in a bunch of other CRMs and platforms, our own web application, mobile apps, etc. But the premise is, you're better in person. You're going to communicate with people more clearly. You're going to connect with them more effectively, and ultimately, you're going to convert at a higher rate when you get face-to-face. And those conversions aren't just a macro conversion, like a signed contract or something like that. It's also the micro conversions, like more replies, or a return phone call, or more clicks through to fill out that form or to give a review, or whatever the case may be. And so we've found that, when people are a little bit more personal and a little bit more human in their communication, instead of relying exclusively on the same plain black text on the same white screen that doesn't differentiate you, doesn't build trust and rapport, and doesn't communicate nearly as well as if you just looked someone in the eye and just spoke to him or her. And it's a really effective and satisfying way to communicate with people. Kathleen: Yeah, I really could not agree more with that. We're recording a podcast right now, and we're starting a little late, because I had some technical issues. The technical issue I was having specifically is that my webcam wasn't working. And you would think, "Well, why do you need a webcam to record a podcast, which is an audio podcast?" But the reality is that it makes a huge difference if I can see the person I'm talking to and vice versa, not only to forge a connection, but the facial expressions, my hand moving as I talk. And also, not talking over each other. Our ability to have a great conversation is so dramatically influenced by our ability to see each other. Ethan: I agree completely, and I know a little bit more about you. Even before we started speaking. You have a really nice little diffuser going. I can see- Kathleen: My essential oils back there. Ethan: Yeah, yeah. I can see photos of your family. It's the spoken and unspoken things. It's the body language, but it's also the context and all this stuff. It's just so much more rich. And again, effective, as you already said. You know when I'm winding down, and I can see when you're ready to ask a follow up question so we don't speak over each other and things, but it's also more satisfying. I feel a little bit more connected to you. You're able to read the word on my t-shirt, and know that it says something about me and the way I look at things. There's just so much there. That's what all of this is all about. Ethan: It is about getting to the MQL number or the SQL number or the revenue number or whatever, but all of that is facilitated through, and I don't want to sound trite and go, "It's not B2B, it's not B2C. It's H2H." It's true. I don't want to be trite about it, but that's all this is really about. "We are successful when we connect with people, are sincere in our ability to provide value, and so this ability to do it in a more complete way, with today's technology, is simply a return to the way business was exclusively done just a few generations ago." Why more marketers don't use video Kathleen: You just mentioned something really interesting to me, which is "with today's technology." I have noticed that, in the last few years, there are just a proliferation of tools available to support making these kinds of videos. But there actually are an astounding number of marketers who are not taking advantage of them. I would love to just start by talking about why you think that is the case. Ethan: I'll tell you exactly why it's the case. I think one of the biggest hangups is that it requires vulnerability. That's it. We don't want the discomfort of appearing on camera. There are some other things too in that there's not a lot of best practices established. I think a lot of people see people on LinkedIn, with this maybe this style of video and think, "Who do they think they are? I would never do that. I can't do that. Can I do that? Is this good enough? Am I good enough?" Just to bring it back to the vulnerability. "Do I actually have anything to say," and all of these other pieces, and so I think a lot of it is that personal piece of, "I'm not comfortable enough in my own skin to put myself forward in a real and honest way, sitting here in my cubicle," or as I'm doing, standing in a bedroom in my dad's condo in West Michigan. We are who we are. We are where we are. And if we come with the right spirit of service and, again, trade word, value, that it all works out. I think the human factor is the single biggest factor. And then I think, more practically, this simpler style of video, there are not a lot of best practices established. I think there aren't enough people modeling it. A lot of people are ... Any typical adoption curve that's fat in the middle, we're still on the early upside of it, and so the followers that want to be a little bit more cautious and comfortable in, "Oh, other people have done this successfully," we're not quite there yet. I think there are people sitting on the sidelines, maybe waiting and watching. And it's behavior change in general, this idea of hitting record instead of going to the keyboard when I'm responding to a customer inquiry, or making that initial touch, or following up after an appointment, or all these other various places you can drop videos. It's a habit change, so even some of our best customers will confess, "Gosh, I love this. This is great. You guys are awesome people. I love what you allow me to do for my customers and in my business, but gosh, I just wish I used it more often." Even people who have jumped all the early hurdles, and we can get into those more specifically, but even people who've jumped all the hurdles are still struggling to make it a habit, which is the thing that I'm most excited about in the work that I do, is getting more people to be more consistent about being more human in their day-to-day communication. Kathleen: You have hit the nail on the head, in my opinion. Because, and I speak from experience, because at IMPACT, we've had a stated goal in the last year of really weaving video throughout every single thing we do as a company, and I have seen both of the things you said. One, I have absolutely seen and I have experienced it myself, that feeling of, "Oh, I didn't put on a nice enough outfit." Or, "I haven't done my hair, so I couldn't possibly do a video today." I've been experimenting with LinkedIn video a lot in the last few months, and it is funny, I do feel like the days when I wake up and put an effort into my appearance, I'm like, "Gosh, I should record three of these in different shirts so that I take advantage of the fact that I look good." And you find yourself getting all caught up in appearances, as opposed to just acknowledging, "This is what I look like today. Let's show the world, and that's okay." But then also that muscle memory almost that you tap into when you need to communicate. A lot of us don't think of video first. I always think of it as building a culture of video within your company. Again, we've been trying to do this for the last year, and we have some tools in place that help us create one-to-one videos really easily. They're in-browser, and it's interesting to see adoption. There are a couple people who are just amazing at it. They use it for everything. And then there are definitely people who, you can remind them time and time again, and they still default back to writing. And so much is lost in that writing, so much of the context. One of the greatest things that I think we did as a company, and I'm going to give credit to our COO, Chris Duprey, is that we actually had this communication training earlier in the year. And it wasn't so much about video, but what he did was, after the communication training, he asked everybody in the company, once a week, a question about how they were implementing what they learned, and he required them to answer that question via video. You had to post a video of yourself answering his question in this particular Slack channel, and it was a great structured way of getting people used to having that kind of a conversation by video. But it was funny to watch, because there were definitely some people who, you could just tell, they were procrastinating doing it. Or they didn't want to show themselves. Absolutely, everything you just said is true, and I've 100% lived it within our company, the whole spectrum of people who are early adopters to people who are true, true laggers. Ethan: I love it. The confidence piece of, "I feel like I look good today," is a real thing. And when you are feeling it, definitely create opportunities to do that. Even my use is pretty streaky, where I might send 15 or 20 or 30 videos in a day in order to execute something that I'm working on, and it requires benefits from one-to-one communication. If you are feeling it, ride that. But if you're not, know that you care a heck of a lot more about your own appearance than anyone else does. The other cool think that I love that you all are doing there is, and it would be one of the tips that I would offer for anyone just getting started, is start with the people who already know you and like you. These are your coworkers, and so an internal Slack channel with your team members all talking about what we're learning and how we're going to move forward together in these types of things, is a really great way to start getting comfortable, because it is a new skill. You're not just going to pick up the saxophone, or pick up a lacrosse stick, or sit down at the piano, or open up a Mandarin language book and just be expert out of the gate. And this is a new skill. This idea of looking the camera in the lens and speaking as if you're speaking to somebody isn't the most natural thing we've ever done, so this idea that you're going to practice is super, super important. And the idea that you can do it in this safe, closed space is just a killer idea, so yeah, props to Chris. Kathleen: Yeah, Chris is a smart guy. Using one-to-one video in your marketing Kathleen: In terms of marketing, there's so many use cases for these one-to-one videos, but let's zero our focus in for a minute on marketing, because I have some other areas I want to talk about too. Marketing, specifically, can you talk a little bit about some of the use cases you've seen, where one-to-one video can be useful? Because there are plenty of use cases for non-one-to-one video that I think most marketers are very familiar with, but how do you see one-to-one specifically being used? Ethan: I'll start with the common thoughts, which is the idea that it's recorded once and used over and over again, but it goes to one person at the right time. This would be, maybe, something that you would write and script and edit, and it isn't truly in the context or even the spirit of what you and I have been talking about with regard to video. But anywhere that someone is making a transition, this could be from a form fill to a free trial, or a free trial to a customer, or any of these points of transition for the customer that are in marketing's zone of activity or responsibility set. Frequently asked questions is always a great source of video content, whether that is for an email nurture sequence or a YouTube playlist or a set of blog posts. Whatever the case may be. Anything that your best customers are wondering about or need to know in transition from one place to the next is a great place to do relationship building and teaching and nurturing through video. I would add then that, for the marketer in general, some places I've personally ... I was a one-person marketing team for about three and a half years, and then we've dramatically grown the team out over the past three or four years since then. I sent a ton of email, and I did not send it from a group address. I sent every email, whether it was a newsletter, one of these nurture type emails, trade show pre-event marketing or post-event followup, I sent all of them from my own email address. And so A, if you're not sending email from a real person, I encourage you to do so. The reason you're sending email isn't just to blast information out. It's to create conversation and to help people, but the benefit is these replies, the things people wonder about, the things people thank you for, this is how you understand your customers. If you're not getting on a phone with them regularly, this is another great way to have those conversations. And do you need to budget time for it? Absolutely. What I found myself in ... I'll go to a really fun one. If you send emails to large lists of people as I was doing, as the sole practitioner and even as we were building the team before I handed some of this stuff off to other team members, I would regularly get, from time to time, on an email to 80,000 or 120,000 people, get that periodic reply that says, "Why are you in my inbox? I hate you." Foul language. Kathleen: Isn't it amazing how awful people feel like they can be over email? Ethan: Right, unsubscribe. And so, it's funny. What I would do in all of those cases is I would just hit reply, and I promise I'll give you a couple more good use cases, but I would hit reply and I would say, "Hey Jeff, Ethan Beute here with BombBomb. Wanted to let you know I got your email. Hey, I am so sorry. It does me no good to make you upset. I don't want to send you email you don't want to receive. I know the outcome is going to be terrible. I wanted to let you know that I've personally manually unsubscribed you in both of the systems that we use to have email. And if you ever want to get face-to-face with people as I'm doing here, to build a relationship and let people know what's going on, just reply. Let me know. I'd be happy to resubscribe you any time." And about one third of the time, you get nothing back. About one third of the time, you get an, "Okay, thanks." And about one third, maybe a little bit less of the time, you'll get, "Oh my gosh, that was really nice. Yeah, resubscribe me." Again, all anyone wants is to feel like they've been seen and heard. That person who was very angry in the moment, maybe they just lost a deal, or got chewed out by their supervisor, or got a piece of bad news, or woke up on the wrong side of the bed, they get your email and they are just ready to start firing. All they want on the other side is, "Hey man, I see you. I hear you. I'm sorry. This is not in my best interest either. I don't want to spam you, because that's bad for both of us, and I've taken care of the issue." That's all anyone wants. I do customer testimonials, customer success stories. I think, yeah, you could write a rule set in your CRM or something that will produce a list of your most active customers or your longest lasting customers or customers within a particular segment or whatever, and send a mass email requesting that they send a video testimonial or some kind of success story or whatever. That's okay. I typically prefer to do that on a one-to-one basis, because I do want their personal story. I might template the email with three or four tips on how to provide that story or that testimonial, or leading questions or a structure for how they might respond, or go to a third party site and leave that thing you want to give that instruction. But I think, even if it's 85% the same video, I think it's worth 45 seconds a person to let them know that you appreciate them. There's a benefit here too. Smiling is like gratitude in that the more we practice it, the better we actually feel. It's a chemical benefit. It's an emotional benefit. It's a physical benefit to us. And so this idea of anything that's positive in your customer communication, I think the more you can do that and be sincere in it ... Your current customers are your best source of your next customers, period. They're least expensive, the warmest, etc etc etc, and so why not honor those people? Those are the people that you can turn into the loyalists and the advocates, simply by, even with 40 seconds of your time, they're going to say something like, "Oh my gosh, thank you for taking the time to send that video." And you say, "Oh my gosh, it actually took me a quarter of the time it would have to type all this out." Anyway, I could go on, but I think when you look at the times when you're clicking Send, you're going to find opportunities where you can communicate more clearly or make a stronger human connection or make a bigger impact or be much more clear in your communication, and those are the spots where you might take care to hit Record. And again, once you get comfortable and get over those human issues in the beginning, you're often going to save a lot of time. Kathleen: Yeah, there are so many great use cases. Again, speaking from personal experience, and I wouldn't say we're experts at this, but we've been playing around with it a lot, and some of the more effective use cases that I've seen are ... We have a Contact Us form on our website, so for anybody who's interested in talking to someone from our sales team, we actually have one person, her name is Myriah, who everybody talks to first. And so, we made a video of her. On the page, it says, "If you fill out this form, this is the person that you will be speaking with." And it's her saying hi and saying, "I'll be the one you're talking to," and explaining what she's going to cover in the call. That's been very effective, and people really like that. They're like, "Wow, I really did get her on the phone." And then- Ethan: That's the really interesting thing. When people greet her on the phone, there's not just the basic relationship building there, like the psychological proximity. There's also a degree of authority there in this idea that, "Oh, it's really you." This idea that they feel like they know you, and so when you get on the phone, it's like, "Hey, it's you." What a benefit to the entire rest of the relationship, especially if that's the first touch they get. So good. Kathleen: Yeah, we've done that also in a lot of our email marketing, like you were suggesting. Whether it's promoting ticket sales for an event and having somebody ... I'm a user group leader for HubSpot, so whenever we invite people to our next user group meeting, there'll be a little video of me saying, "Hey, I hope you can make it. Here's what we're going to cover." And it's funny, because when you pair that with the email ... We have one of our email templates. We call it "conversational email," but it's basically a stripped down email template. It looks literally like it came out of my Gmail. It's done by design. It still has the CAN-SPAM footer, but it's subtle. We just stripped all the formatting out and made it look like every other email you get. And when we create the email like that and make it very personal and from me, and then have a video of me in it, it's sent through a mass emailing system, but it is astounding, the number of replies I get. People saying, "Oh, thanks for your email. I'm sorry, I won't be able to make it." Nobody responds to a formatted mass email to be like, "I'm sorry. I can't make it." But the fact that they're doing that, it's because it really feels like they're getting a personal email from me. Ethan: There's a social reciprocity element. I feel like it's subtle. You can't describe it. They would never articulate why they chose to reply to that email. If you deliver it as if you're speaking to one person instead of, "Hey everyone." If you're like, "Hey. As someone in the HubSpot community here locally, you blah blah blah ..." When you speak to one person, they feel like it's for one person, and there's this, almost an obligation to participate in a different way. The same as your front desk or your admin who's the first point of contact and the router of all of the opportunities, that she's greeted in a different way as well. I'm not surprised by that result, but I love to hear it. Kathleen: Yeah, you also talked about one other thing, which I've found to be true as well, which is when something's complicated, I actually love video for that. Because it is exhausting to think about having to write out an email about a complicated topic, when you can just turn your video camera on and, in no time, just talk it out. And then send that to somebody. I think it's easier for you, as the person who needs to communicate the message, but it's also easier for the one receiving it to understand it. Ethan: Completely, and so when you fold in something like screen recording, that helps as well. If you need to walk people through a process, or walk through a form or a document, or a piece of software or something else, this idea of being able to blend show and tell together is especially powerful for detailed and complicated topics. And a point of caution here that I would offer people that say, "Oh gosh, this is great. I'm going to add some videos to my emails." A, I definitely agree with your idea of stripping down some of the emails and making them more ... We call it Gmail, Gmail style, Gmailesque. But then I would also say, don't be redundant. The text in the email is meant to support the video, and the video is meant to support the text in the email, to ultimately make it clear to people, "Why did I get this? What's my opportunity? And how do I proceed?" You do need some text maybe to help compel that video play. The video is there to bring the message to life, to maybe add some clarity or add some emotion. In the case that it's an event invite, really build it. Sales is the transfer of emotion, so capture the spirit of the event and what you think is really cool about it, or attractive and why you would just plain not miss it. These kinds of things are going to naturally draw people in, with fellow human beings and fellow social creatures that we are. And then, there's often a tendency then to put all the detail from the video in the body of the email. I strongly discourage that. Then there's no reason to watch the video. Again, these are all habits. No one send is the thing. Just speaking of your HubStop user group, these are people that you reach out to monthly or quarterly. You maybe have some exchanges. You're going to be back in their inbox, and so the more you train them that, "I don't need to watch the video, because it's all here in the email body," they're not going to watch the video. Or the more, in general, let's step outside of the user group. The more emails you send ... Every single email you send, you're training people to open or delete your next message by how good it is. And it's the same thing with any aspect of that email. You're training people to know what to expect from you when your "from: name" and "from: email address" hit their inbox. We need to be careful to keep the human elements in the video. Out of courtesy, if it is a complex topic, go ahead and include a list of bullet points or details, or date, time, location, street address stuff that you don't necessarily want to memorize and put in the video. It doesn't belong in the video. In video, in email, you can use them together, the video and the text to be complimentary, to compel people to ultimately take you up on the call to action, whatever the purpose of that email is. How to do one-to-one video right Kathleen: That's a great point, and I think what it speaks to is, what are some things that you should be aware of if you want to do this well? If somebody says, "I'm into it. I want to create a one-to-one video. I like that tip of 'don't be redundant.'" One of the other things I learned was, when you hit that record button, already be smiling. Because, if you put a video thumbnail in something, and you have a serious face, it's not going to entice anybody to watch. Whereas, if you have a big smile in that thumbnail, somebody's going to want to hit click. It's much more inviting. Are there other tips along those lines that you have for people if they're going to test this out? Ethan: Sure, absolutely. Something that happens when people first get started is they think the video is magic, because a lot of people selling video solutions are selling magic. That's just my shorthand for "dramatic promises that this is the one thing you've been looking for, that it's going to make the difference in ..." What's going to make a difference in your business and a difference in the world at large is being consistent about doing it and making it a habit, and now this is part of the way we communicate. It doesn't replace phone calls, doesn't replace text messages or emails or social messages. It's just part of what we can add into so many of our situations to, again, bring it to life and convey the emotion, have people feel like they know us. What people will often do is just record a video and send it on its own, essentially. And then they wonder, "Why didn't they play my video?" Which is the wrong question. That's backward looking, looking to blame. You can learn and apply it forward, but it's too late. You've already done all the action. If we instead ask, "Why would he play this video? Why should she play this video? Why would they watch this video?" Then we're going to be much more clear. This is just ... and you don't have to go through all these steps every time. Like you're sending a marketing email to 1,500 or 15,000 people every single time you send a one-to-one email, but once you start getting habitual about it like, "Okay, what's in it for this person," and when you're clear on that, you're going to A, record a much better video. Because you're much more clear about the intention and the value to the recipient, but it's also going to come through in your subject line, one line of text to tell someone why to play the video, and then a supporting line of text after the video to drive the call to action, which I assume you'll be talking about in the video. Being clear on what's in it for them from the get go is going to set you up to create a much better experience for them from subject line through opening it through watching the video through following up on the call to action. Being clear on the value is a good one. Something that we do at BombBomb, we take the first three seconds of your video and automatically turn it into an animated preview for you. That gives you three seconds to do thinks like, of course, smile or wave or gesture at something in the room. I keep a little whiteboard on my desk, a dry erase board, and I'll write notes. Sometimes I'll draw people's logos. I'm using the animated preview as well to let people know why they should watch the video. You can do that in a static thumbnail as well. Other people use sticky notes or iPads. You can use screen recording, where your little face is in the corner, and you're over top of their LinkedIn profile or over a blog post that they recently published, or a podcast episode, or a podcast they host. These kinds of things to let them know, "This is just for you. This is not something that I ..." Because as video becomes more common, the same reason that direct mail fell off, I feel like it's having a little bit of a resurgence. The reason it fell off is, we all know this is just ... "This went to everybody. It's not necessarily relevant to me," and all of these things. Video will reach that point. I actually think we're years away from it, because there aren't enough people doing it, for some of the reasons we already described. There'll be a point at which we need to be much more clear about the value of video. I think we still have a window here where, simply using video in some of these places where it's not necessarily expected or common will get you an extra lift right now, but especially as we go forward. This ability to convey the value to the recipient and reasons to participate, because goodness knows, our time and attention are not going to be more available in the future. They're only going to be less available, and so we need to be more clear about these things from the get go. Who should be using one-to-one video Kathleen: So true. Now, what do you ... I imagine there are people who hear this and they think, "Okay, one-to-one video. I get it, but by nature, it is unscripted. It is less polished. It is more informal." What do you say to people who come back to you and say, "My brand, that's not congruent with my brand. My brand is more corporate. It's more polished, and this isn't going to fit with it Ethan: For starter, I would obviously ask some follow up questions. My flippant response is, "You are wrong." My flippant response is what I said earlier, which is just ultimately, you need to honor those elements, and I think some of that's going to come through. Maybe you control your setting a little bit more. You control your clothing a little bit more, but ultimately ... I wrote a piece years ago called The Shiny Authenticity Inversion. It was based on anecdotal evidence from working with thousands of people around this, and people using video in YouTube, in Facebook, even at the time, five years ago, let's say, and in email and these other places. And they say, "I do all kinds of video. I have all this expensive video equipment. I made a studio in my office or in my garage or whatever, and I do all this great stuff." But the videos that generate the best response are my simplest ones, where I just hold out my iPhone and I just talk to people. I organized that, and then I specifically set corporate against human in a table to characterize it: scripted versus conversational, edited instead of one take recording. This kind of shiny, scripted, produced, edited, animated open, like the video opens and we're in a polished video. And I think the reaction to the simpler style is a reaction to, or an echo reaction even, to Seth Godin's television industrial complex. This idea that, if you had budget enough to produce a video and put it in front of enough people that you would inherently and immediately have trust, the idea that you had enough of a budget to create a television campaign in the '80s and '90s, was enough for people to say, "Oh, these people are super legitimate." And now I think we're overtrained that way. This idea of pulling the curtain back, and stop putting on all of this overdressed ... Brene Brown's language for it is like armor, and some of these other things, this overly produced scenario, where we act as if. We act as if we're not the same as you. We're not the same as ourselves. We're better than ourselves, all this dressing up. There are places for it, and I think there are ways to do this that honor the spirit of your brand and are true to who you are. But ultimately, people want to know that. They want to see you and hear you just like they want to be seen and heard. They want to know and trust the person who's on the other side, and so I think the more we can ask why when we feel defensive about these ideas of being more honest, and being more direct, and being more personal, and being more human in the work that we're doing. Another thing is, "This doesn't scale." It doesn't, but you've got to pick your spot. I say, if you as an agency are doing high value/low volume, then I think there are a lot of places to do this. If, like us, as a software company with 40,000 customers, are doing high volume, you need to pick your spots and say, "I'm going to do mass emails for this," but when people reply or when I go through the analytics, I'm going to follow up underneath and be truly person. You've got to pick your spots where it's going to make the most sense and the most value for your organization. I would say the same thing to your question of, "That's not me." And by casual unscripted, I don't mean you have no idea what you're going to say when you hit record, or that you're going to do it in the parking garage, the fifth floor of the parking garage underneath your office building. I'm not suggesting that it's intentionally trashy, although my shiny authenticity version was. I feel validated. About a year later, the Content Marketing Institute, which produces a ton of amazing content, a gentleman did a piece called Visual Realism: The New Way to Build Trust. And he broke down how Levis, Coca-Cola, Betabrand, and some of these other really big companies are intentionally dumbing down the quality of their photos and videos in order to ... appear more trustworthy. And so, while we're down here wondering how we can put more gloss and polish and budget behind our video efforts, these companies that have 100,000x your budget and more people and more time and all of this are trying to find their way back down toward the rest of us, in terms of being approachable and being trustworthy. I would just encourage you, if you take this position of, "I can't do that because," ask a couple layers of why, and be honest with yourself, because ultimately, you're going to win when you can put yourself forward more often. Kathleen: You know who nails this, who's a great example of it? And I think proof that you can really get real and not jeopardize your business credibility, is Dave Gerhardt, who is the head of marketing at Drift. Drift is a very, very successful company that is growing like gangbusters, that sells into other very, very successful companies. And Dave not only does super informal one-to-one style videos, but sometimes he'll do it after a workout when he's sweaty, or walking down the street with one of his kids. He takes it to an extreme, but it's because the stuff that he's saying is so valuable that nobody cares what the setting is. And let's be honest. We're all human. We don't walk around 24/7 in tailored suits. We all have lives, and so it shouldn't come as a shock to anybody that people work out, people have kids. But if you have a message of value to deliver, I think, being willing to do that any time, any place, is very humanizing. When you talk about trust, it's funny, and you talked earlier about every email you send is an opportunity, or reinforces whether somebody should open or delete. What started turning in my head was actually Jason Fried, who is one of the founders of Basecamp. In his books, he talks about something called the trust bank, and he talks about it with respect to employees, but I think it's just as applicable here, which is that, he talks about when he hires somebody, he has a full ... He has a trust bank, and every action you take, every interaction you have, either puts more money into the trust bank, or it takes it out. I think it's the same thing with video and with email. Every piece of content you create is either going to add to that trust bank or remove from it. Yes, while you might make a fancy, polished video, is that adding to the trust bank or is that withdrawing from it? Is it going to make you feel colder and less accessible or is it going to invite somebody in? Ethan: Yeah, and is it self motivated or is it in the service of the other person? The other interesting thing then is, with Dave, which is a great example, and you'll find other people of note, familiarity, large companies or big names in and of themselves, doing this. I think, if you find yourself standing back and saying, "I would never do that," or "I just don't have the same kind of value to add," I think, A, he's getting the benefit of some of the things I got when we turned our cameras on to start this conversation, which is, I see where you work. I know some things about you. There's some things around you that I can attach myself to and say, "I have some affinity with her," without us ever saying a single word. And it's the same thing with him. When he's leading his life and allowing you into it, it's not just about the message. It's also about, "I like this guy a little bit more." Or, at a minimum, "I know more about him." And the value of that is so intangible, but significant. And the other thing I would say, for people who think, "Gosh, if I'm going to step it up and I'm going to communicate these messages in video, I need to have something extraordinary or extra special or super insightful," or these kinds of things. I just don't think that that's true. I think, for starters, most working professionals, who've achieved even some moderate level of success, have a lot more to teach and share than they would ever give themselves credit for. And then again, going back to customer value, you probably know, if you're a competent marketer, you know where people get hung up and where people are successful. You can communicate these things en masse or one-to-one to people who are stuck. They've maybe been with you for awhile, but they're stuck and they need to move forward. Or people that are just getting started with you. Short line on that is, you have a lot more value to offer than you probably recognize or give yourself credit for. If you look around, you're going to find spots where you can be more personal and more helpful, and you can do this and you are good enough. How does one-to-one video translate into marketing results? Kathleen: I love it. I feel like I could talk to you about this forever, but I'm realizing that we're running out of time, and there are some important questions I want to ask you before that happens. First one is, we've talked a lot about the why and the how. Can you address ... How does this move the needle? How does this translate into marketing results, and what have you see in your experience? Ethan: Sure. I've seen all kinds of wonderful things, from an anecdotal standpoint. Again, as a front line guy for years, who sent all of this stuff personally, I have relationships with hundreds and hundreds of our customers, and I know their stories and how they're using it and all that. Survey data, 81% of people said they get more replies and responses to their emails. Again, the goal of the email oftentimes is to generate a reply, especially in sales. As you start moving into the MQL or SQL range, depending on how you're structured, you might still have a BDR or SDR function within the marketing team. Some people separate it. It's actually separated at BombBomb. It's now on the sales side of the fence, not that we don't have a ... You've got to draw a line somewhere, not that we don't have ... collaboration. More replies and responses. 87% of people say they get more clicks through their emails. I think it was one in six said they doubled or more than doubled their click rate. 68% of people say they convert more leads. I think 10% said they doubled or more than doubled their conversion rate. This one gets more into, and not necessarily a hardcore marketer, but 90% of people said it allows them to stay in touch more effectively. I think it was 40% said they doubled or more than doubled their ability to stay in touch effectively. And then I think it was 56-57% of people say they generate more referrals. And those numbers, specifically in our Gmail instance, again, the question was, "Compared to traditional, typed out text emails, how much of a lift does BombBomb video in email give you?" When we asked the same thing exclusively in the Gmail context, all the numbers were the same, but with two to five points on top of it. Which, again, goes back to this idea of the simpler style email. Not necessarily the full blown design header, graphics, colors, these things that, again, signal to people that this is polished, this is for everybody, this has some gloss on it. And it's appropriate in moments, but I think the more we can strip it back a little bit and get straight to the heart of it, typically the better off we're going to be. On the CS side, which may not necessarily be directly of interest to marketers, but there's something there. First touch resolution has dramatically improved, so when someone reaches out with a problem or a question, which again, I got as a marketer, being able to send a video and even a pre-recorded video that addresses that specific question, dramatically reduces the back and forth time, which A, eats up your time as a marketer or a team member, and then B, frustrates the customer in that, "I'm going back and forth. I have a meeting to go to. I still don't have my resolution. I'm not clear. I don't understand." These longer exchanges, so first touch resolution, people filling out satisfaction surveys increases. And I think it goes back to this reciprocity piece in your story of, "Oh my gosh, it's really you on the phone." It's that. How to connect with Ethan Kathleen: Yeah, yeah. I like that. Well, if somebody wants to learn more about this, or they want to reach out to you and ask you a question, what's the best way for them to reach you? Ethan: My name is Ethan Beute, E-T-H-A-N B-E-U-T-E. You can hit me up on LinkedIn. You can email me directly, Ethan, E-T-H-A-N at BombBomb.com. I co-authored a book on simpler personal videos called Rehumanize Your Business, and you can learn more about that at BombBomb.com. It's just the word bomb twice, B-O-M-B-B-O-M-B.com/book. And, of course, you can find it on Amazon as well. We walk through all the stuff. What is this all about? Why does it matter to you and your business? Who's actually doing it? When do you send a video instead of text? How do you technically do it? And then we have some advanced ... How to get more emails open, how to get more videos played, how to get replies, responses, clicks, etc. And then how do you follow up? What happens when you send a video email to 500 people? What do you do with the 168 people who opened it but didn't play the video? How do you follow up with that? So a bunch of follow up strategies as well. We want to make this accessible. I am sincerely convinced that, when this becomes a more standard business practice, and again, I don't see this as a strategy or a tactic. This is just a different and better way to communicate using today's technology. The bandwidth that we have as recorders and senders, and the bandwidth that our customers have as recipients, and the nice cameras we have built into our laptops and our phones and all of this. This isn't ... My vision and my hope for this is that this becomes a more standard way to work, because it's going to bring us closer into relationship with one another. It's going to close this, "We're more connected than ever, but we feel more disconnected and lonely and unseen than ever." It's just going to be a better way to live and work as a practitioner on the company side, and as a stakeholder on the customer side. I'm very encouraged by its growth and the receptivity to it. I recognize the human challenges, and I hope people can go forward. I hope the book is of some value in that process. Kathleen: Amen. Well, I will put those links in the show notes for sure. If you want to connect with Ethan or check out the book or BombBomb, head to the show notes. Kathleen's two questions Kathleen: Two questions I always ask my guests, and I'm curious to hear what you have to say. The first is always, company or individual, is there a particular person who you think is doing inbound marketing really well? But I'm going to twist it and ask you, is there an example of a company or individual who's doing personalized one-to-one video really well? Because you work with a lot of these companies, so who should the audience check out if they want to see a best practice example? Ethan: Good one. We just spent a lot of time with one of our really good customers who's just ... We're all in Colorado Springs. I'm not at the moment, but our company is and I typically am. But there's a company called Madwire Marketing 360 that's up in Ft. Collins. They were already a really good company culture, and you can see that when you get into some of the content that they produce, but they really just took this on and ran with it. Ethan: The adoption there was just really amazing. I've been a part of the adoption of video on a variety of teams and company situations, and they just really, really ran with it. It's been really inspiring, and the results they're getting are fantastic. Kathleen: Great. Well, I'll definitely put that link in as well. And then, digital marketing is changing so quickly, and I always hear marketers complaining that it's like drinking from a fire hose. How do you personally stay up to date and keep yourself educated? Ethan: I read a lot of books, and I read them in print, and I read them with a pencil. I'm not a hardcore gadget, tool, tech guy. I'm not looking for new apps. I'm not looking for new tools. I want to understand the problem first, and so I think there's something about reading. The pace of it, especially reading with a pencil, where you're very clear about what's super important, which I underline. And when it's also of secondary importance, which I put in parentheses. There's something about that process. I think so many people run to digital tools, but they're not clear on the real problem they're trying to solve, and therefore, the implementation is either incomplete or potentially even not helpful. They think that just by evaluating three solutions and subscribing to one of them that they've solved their problem, and in fact, that's just a very, very beginning, and very often, it's a reflection of the fact that you didn't truly understand your problem. I'm much slower. People on our team, thank goodness it really does take a variety of disciplines and backgrounds and stuff, because I do have gadget guy and gadget gal and app guy and app gal on my team, which is awesome. That's what helps me as well is my colleagues. If you're not that type of person, it's okay. It took me awhile to come to terms with that myself, but know that we all add value in the process, and being very, very clear on what you're actually trying to solve is the most important step to staying abreast of the latest changes in martech. Kathleen: Yeah, I love that you're a pencil and hard copy book kind of guy, because I love nothing more than making notes in margins and underlining and marking books up. All right, well we are just about out of time, so again, head to the show notes if you want to know how to contact Ethan or if you want to learn more about BombBomb. You know what to do next... Kathleen: And if you're listening and you liked what you heard or you learned something new, please consider leaving a five star review on Apple Podcasts. If you know somebody else who's doing kick ass inbound marketing work, tweet me @WorkMommyWork, because I would love to interview them. Thanks so much, Ethan. It was fun. Ethan: Thank you so much. I really enjoyed it too, and if you're listening, if you've listened to other episodes, go leave that review. It really matters. Kathleen: It does. Thank you for saying that. All right, see you next time.

Videos are everywhere. You may be thinking, videos are great, I love watching them, but I do not want to be the one in front of the camera. Are you a marketer, salesperson, in customer success, or anyone in business? Then it is time to be on video. A Marketing Strategist, Author, Podcast Host, and the Chief Evangelist at BombBomb, Ethan Beute, delivers a breath of fresh air to the audience to say that videos do not have to be overproduced, to be great. Do you have doubts about video? Then check out this episode!   Takeaways: The Shiny Authenticity Aversion - We are all so familiar with marketing that is produced and well package, that now a consumer's guard is up when they experience something like this. The trend is going towards that people want authenticity. “Sometimes the simplest videos get the most engagement.”-Ethan Beute The quality of the video that needs to be made, can be determined by the context that video product will be in. Think about the audience volume it will reach and the longevity that the video will be accessible. Videos can be worked into marketing automation. Think about what part of your marketing is lacking that human touch? “[Videos] are about leading with your very best sales asset, yourself.”-Ethan Beute Your first video may not be great, but accept it is a normal part of the process. Get over the fear of being vulnerable and just start taking videos. Have confidence in yourself and your sincerity to the topic of content you deliver. You cannot fake the time and attention that a video communicates. Taking a video shows that you care. Text can be interpreted in several ways but with video, the tone and message are clear. An example of using video for your business could be in your customer experience department. Take the top five tickets that department receives and turn the solutions to those top five, high volume tickets, into videos. This then makes a scalable process. “Ultimately we come to life in connection with other people.”-Ethan Beute Call to action by Ethan: If you are a fan of the Hard Corps Marketing Show, you have listened to several episodes and have learned a lot, go on and leave a review.   Links: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ethanbeute/  Email: ethan@bombbomb.com BombBomb: https://bombbomb.com/ Rehumanize Your Business: https://bombbomb.com/book/ The Customer Experience Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-customer-experience-podcast/id1453581989   Busted Myths: To do video well, you need to have a producer and the right lighting. - This is not the case. You do not need to outsource a video for production as a lot of the videos that get the highest engagement are the ones that are authentic without the glossy finish. People want to connect with what they can trust, something that is real.

Former Pro Women's basketball player and entrepreneur, Samarie Walker, shares her story about the mental health struggles of being a student-athlete. We discuss: self-sabotage; social media breaks; being in survival mode; how to let go of the past; holding self accountable; how to stop operating out of fear; and what three books she's reading right now. Suicide Prevention Center (Los Angeles)877-727-4747National Suicide Prevention Lifeline800-273-TALK [800-273-8255]1-800-SUICIDE [800-784-2433]Teen Line (Los Angeles)800-852-8336The Trevor Project (LGBTQ Youth Hotline)866-488-7386National Domestic Violence Hotline800-799-SAFE [800-799-7233]Crisis Text LineText "Connect" to 741741 in the USALifeline Chathttps://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/chat/

Rehumanize Your Business: How Personal Videos Accelerate Sales and Improve Customer Experience by Ethan Beute and Stephen Pacinelli Click here for show notes! https://www.salesartillery.com/marketing-book-podcast/rehumanize-your-business-ethan-beute Accelerate sales and improve customer experience Every day, most working professionals entrust their most important messages to a form of communication that doesn't build trust, provide differentiation, or communicate clearly enough. It's easy to point to the sheer volume of emails, text messages, voicemails, and even social messaging as the problem that reduces our reply rates and diminishes our effectiveness. But the faceless nature of that communication is also to blame. Rehumanize Your Business explains how to dramatically improve relationships and results with your customers, prospects, employees, and recruits by adding personal videos to emails, text messages, and social messages. It explains the what, why, and how behind this new movement toward simple, authentic videos—and when to replace some of your plain, typed-out communication with webcam and smartphone recordings.  •   Restore face-to-face communication for clarity and connection •    Add a personal, human touch to your emails and other messages •    Meet people who’ve sent thousands of videos •    Learn to implement your own video habit in an easy, time-saving way •    Boost your replies, appointments, conversion, referrals, and results dramatically If you’re ready to influence, teach, sell, or serve in a more personal way, Rehumanize Your Business is your guide.

In this episode of the #CX series, Ethan Beute, VP of Marketing at BombBomb, shares the closing presentation of a two and a half day video summit for insights into using video, building relationships, and publishing books. Never miss an episode of Ethan's podcast, The Customer Experience Podcast, by using the following links to subscribe in your favorite podcast player: Apple Podcasts Spotify Sticher Google Play Want to get a no-fluff email that boils down our 3 biggest takeaways from an entire week of B2B Growth episodes? Sign up today: http://sweetfishmedia.com/big3 We'll never send you more than what you can read in < 1 minute.

We loved chatting with Sean Herrero at Rehumanize in Denver! Get some great tips on overcoming your fear of being on camera and tips on winning deals with simple video.

We loved chatting with Sean Herrero at Rehumanize in Denver! Get some great tips on overcoming your fear of being on camera and tips on winning deals with simple video.

Blake Cohen is the National Outreach Manager for Recovery Unplugged, a substance abuse and mental health treatment center based in South Florida. This wasn't always the case.Years ago, Blake was on the other side of addiction, dealing with his own demons. He learned that the root cause of addiction has nothing to do with the substances themselves. Lack of connection with others is the real culprit, and it's made worse by schools, social media, and parenting.Thankfully, a history of addiction doesn't define a person's future. Blake turned his life around, and discovered the formula for Confidence in the process:Be Brave + Put Yourself Out There + Help Others = ConfidenceBlake is the author of 'I Love You More: Short Stories of Addiction, Recovery, and Loss from the Family's Perspective.' It's three emotionally-charged, short stories about how people are affected differently by addiction.Find Blake Online:Website: https://blakeevancohen.com/ (

Wouldn't you agree that to be successful you need to truly connect with your prospects or clients? But in today's inbox, email just doesn't cut it. How frustrating it is when your messages go ignored? Your digital communication should be as warm, personal, and effective as a face-to-face meeting. You need to stand out. How? Meet Steve Pacinelli, co-author of the book “Rehumainze Your Business: How Personal Videos Accelerate Sales and Improve Customer Experience” and the Chief Marketing Officer of BombBomb, the tool that makes it easy to build relationships through email, text, and social media. All using the power of video. Welcome Steve Pacinelli. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://megaphone.fm/adchoices (megaphone.fm/adchoices)

The first Friday of every month we take a past speaking engagement we believe Kyle provides massive value and add it to our feed.  For this #firstfriday we take a highlight from Kyle's speech at BombBomb's ReHumanize conference held earlier this year. Where he talks about several of the social media tools used at Whissel Realty Group.  If you listen to the end you can get access to a checklist that we use for when we are putting out our videos. 

Back in 2017, we had Jesse Peters on for our very first episodes of the BombCast. This year during Rehumanize, we welcomed him back on the show and we loved hearing more about his video journey. If you're just getting started in video, chances are you've faced or are currently facing some hurdles. Hear how Jesse has overcome his video hurdles and get some tips on how you can win with video.

Back in 2017, we had Jesse Peters on for our very first episodes of the BombCast. This year during Rehumanize, we welcomed him back on the show and we loved hearing more about his video journey. If you're just getting started in video, chances are you've faced or are currently facing some hurdles. Hear how Jesse has overcome his video hurdles and get some tips on how you can win with video.

Ethan Beute is on a mission to connect people. His method? Video. More specifically, his company BombBomb wants us to use the power of video to leverage our personal connections, and provide meaningful social interactions.  Video is the way of the future. In this episode he shares how easy it is to get deeper in your relationships to improve your video, by using your smartphone and connecting with people around the world.   

Ethan Beute, Vice President of Marketing for BombBomb, a video marketing company for business professionals, talks to the Lab Coat Agents Podcast host Jeff Pfitzer about video creation and how video allows you to share your unique and relatable personality to the consumers that you wish to work with. Learn from Ethan how to humanize yourself via video to your potential customers, how BombBomb works and benefits users, and why videos for your clients don’t have to be perfect.  Episode Highlights:  How Ethan Beute got started with BombBomb What the landscape of the video industry in business looked like when BombBomb first started  How easy is BombBomb to use with email?  The core benefits of using video in business messaging  The paradox of vulnerability  Why you don’t want to serve everyone  You only need to be yourself with video  Ways you can track your content How does latent demand work? Ethan shares his rules for making successful videos Ethan talks about his book and his events  An ideal way to learn from people 3 Key Points: BombBomb has over 45,000 customers.  BombBomb allows you to hit record, receive a countdown, record your message through your webcam, the video gets encoded while recording, you hit stop, and your video is ready to send via email or text.  People are going to feel like they know you before they ever meet you with video.  Resources Mentioned: LCA Marketing Center: LCAmarketingcenter.com Lab Coat Agents: LabCoatAgents.com Lab Coat Agents Live: https://labcoatagentslive.com/  Ethan Beute: Linkedin  Twitter BombBomb:  Website  Facebook  Twitter   Connect with Lab Coat Agents: Lab Coat Agents on Facebook Lab Coat Agents on Twitter Lab Coat Agents on Instagram Lab Coat Agents Facebook Group

Susan Tatum welcomes Ethan Beute, VP of Marketing at BombBomb and author of the book "Rehumanize your Business" to discuss the use of personalized videos to market your services. In today's technological world the same old text based emails with the same old formats get lost in the clutter of message overload.  Personalized videos which engage with your customer or prospect in a human way lower the barriers and help you powerfully connect and  build a relationships.  Listen to Ethan and how he is differentiating in a new and untapped fashion.    

We’re more connected on the job than ever before. Text communication, now instant and global, means we’re no longer constrained by time and distance. But as a result, our professional relationships and personal well-being have suffered. Despite the adage, business is personal. Yet communication has become fixed and faceless, easily misinterpreted, mismanaged, or altogether missed. Stephen Pacinelli is coauthor of Rehumanize Your Business: How Personal Videos Accelerate Sales and Improve Customer Experience and Chief Marketing Officer at BombBomb. Steve is a longtime customer and advocate of personal video for its benefits to his sales team, and has delivered presentations to more than 1,000 audiences. Rehumanize Your Business Topics During this conversation, Stephen and I discuss the following topics: His background and storyThe inspiration for the bookHow we got away from communicating humanlyThe different types of video messaging leaders can useAspects of an effective video for relationship buildingHow to pick the right platform to use in a videoHow can leaders and their teams can use videos for “sales”Delivering bad news via videoHow to ensure that you deliver an effective video Guest Resources If you are interested in learning more about Stephen and his resources then be sure to check out the following links: Rehumanize Your Business: How Personal Videos Accelerate Sales and Improve Customer ExperienceBombbomb.comStephen on LinkedInStephen on Twitter Moving Forward Leadership Resources Keep on top of Moving Forward Leadership with all the resources which I have established for you: POWER Goals Program - If you are ready to stop complaining and start achieving those goals which you have been trying to achieve for some time now. Then stop chasing your dreams and start achieving them through my very own POWER Goals program. Learn about picking the right goals, figuring out how to achieve them, getting on track with achieving them and most importantly how to get back on track when you fail... because you will. Learn more here! Moving Forward Leadership Resources - Check out the Moving Forward Leadership Resources section where I list every single resource mentioned on the show. As well, there are books which I have read written or read personally and finally various types of services which I use and recommend. The 9 Foundations of Leadership – I’ve written this ebook for you all to get a base of your leadership skills. With this book, you will be able to begin to form your leadership style. For a small fee, you can get your journey started and get ahead of your peers! Just follow the link in the title, and your copy awaits you! Facebook Page – Check out updates from Moving Forward Leadership, as well when links and videos. Facebook Group – Come and let’s discuss leadership. I will swing by and answer any questions you have as well as provide advice and guidance for your situations. Twitter – Definitely subscribe here to find out when new episodes go live, or if I have a random idea to share with the world. Monthly Newsletter – Sign up for my newsletter and see what is happening in the background with me, read the most interesting articles in leadership, as well as get inside information from time-to-time on what I have upcoming! Email – Don’t hesitate to reach out to me with ideas, suggestions, comments or questions. I truly love hearing from you all! Where to Subscribe to Moving Forward Leadership Love the Moving Forward Leadership Podcast? Then subscribe to your favourite device and app! As well, please leave me a review! These reviews mean more to me than you could ever imagine.

Ethan Beute Today's digital and technological world has created so many conveniences. We are able to do things faster, conduct business in different ways. However, as great as this digital technological world is at the end of the day it is people who make the final decisions. The fact is the technology may be changing but the human being has remained constant. They still have the same physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual needs and wants as they have always had. And while businesses are getting more technologically savvy, they are either missing, or overlooking the most critical element of ALL business whether B2B or B2C...the human conversation.Ethan Beute (prounounced Butte) co-author of the book Rehumanize Your Business: How Personal Videos Accelerate Sales and Improve Customer Experience joins us in this episode of A New Direction. Ethan helps us understand how email and texting while convenient in fact may be causing us more communication problems. He also lets us in some of the psychology of human communication and conversation that can increase the success of your business and enhance the relationships with you clients and customers that will positively affect your bottom line. Rehumanize Your Business Rehumanize Your Business will take you through not only why you would want to consider video as part of your business plan, but also offers you different solutions to using video, the consideration you may want to make when using video, and in what situations you may want to use video to grow your business. They also have created a nearly seamless integration as well that I found incredibly interesting just go www.BombBomb.com As Ethan points out in the show...you on video creates authenticity and that is something we are all looking for. Take a listen! Enlign Business Brokers Special Thanks to our sponsors Enlign Business Brokers and Advisors. Internationally known and respected. When you need to sell your business start with "deal team". They will get you the highest market value with the utmost confidentiality. Contact Enlign Business Brokers and Advisors. You can learn more by going to ENLIGN.com Linda Craft & Team And to Linda Craft & Team, REALTORS for over 30 years they are the have created "Legendary Customer Service". Privately and locally owned in the Greater Raleigh, Research Triangle Park area, they can help you anywhere in the world to find the best real estate professional for you when it comes to selling or buying your home. Learn more by clicking on www.LindaCraft.comFinally, this weeks t-shirt shout out goes to Ithaca, Nebraska. I was personally honored to be the marshal of their 150th anniversary parade. Congratulations Ithaca and here is to 150 years more!

In Episode 35, John Beck interviews Stephen Pacinelli, coauthor of  Rehumanize Your Business: How Personal Videos Accelerate Sales and Improve Customer Experience (Wiley, April 2019) and Chief Marketing Officer at BombBomb. Steve is a longtime customer and advocate of personal video for its benefits to his sales team and has delivered presentations to more than 1,000 audiences.[...]

In my quest to continue promoting video as a primary communication tool, Episode 193 features Steve Pacinelli, Chief Marketing Officer for BombBomb. Steve shares his journey from Penn St. directly in the world of real estate tech.  01:55 - Growing up outside Philadelphia   05:20 - The Penn St. experience   07:55 - What was Steve's first job out of school?   08:45 - The Top Producer story during Steve's time there   10:05 - Connecting with Chris Smith   13:05 - Discovering BombBomb   15:40 - Starting with BombBomb   16:50 - Collaborating with Ethan Beute for the book,  Rehumanize Your Business   20:20 - Steve shares a story showing the power of one to one video   23:30 - The value of the metrics built-in to BombBomb   24:15 - The power of the 3-second loop   26:50 - The story behind the first Rehumanize event   31:50 - What piece of advice would Steve give a new agent?

Today the boys are joined by Maria Oswalt, Director of Creative Projects for Rehumanize International, to discuss the pro life law in Alabama that has dominated the headlines this week.    For more information on the work Maria does, visit Rehumanize International: https://www.rehumanizeintl.org/ Social Media: @Rehumanizeintl To follow Maria on the web: @RehumanizeMaria  Other organizations mentioned in this episode: https://www.secularprolife.org/ https://www.newwavefeminists.com/ https://andcampaign.org/  

Ethan Beute, VP of Marketing at BombBomb and co-author of the new book Rehumanize Your Business: How Personal Videos Accelerate Sales and Improve Customer Experience, joins me on this episode.

Today, we talk to Reina Cabezas who currently works as a Career Technical Education Coach at Oakland Unified School District. As a technology, engineering, and maker educator/coach, she conspires with students and teachers to ensure that engineering pathways across the district succeed at critically diversifying entry points into STEM for students.  Check out the Radical STEMM Educators of the Bay Area page! Music: High School Snaps. Broke for Free. https://freemusicarchive.org. CC by 4.0

An inside look at the ReHumanize agenda, speakers, location, and more. Our ReHumanize Event Manager, Kaitie Stoddard, and Steve Pacinelli, CMO, join us on the BombCast to unveil all of the event details. See how ReHumanize can help you take your business to the next level with video.

An inside look at the ReHumanize agenda, speakers, location, and more. Our ReHumanize Event Manager, Kaitie Stoddard, and Steve Pacinelli, CMO, join us on the BombCast to unveil all of the event details. See how ReHumanize can help you take your business to the next level with video.

Today our expert guest is Chelsey Korus, an Adidas athlete, Wanderlust TV teacher, and one of today's foremost yoga teachers.   Chelsey grew up in Small Town, Minnesota, where she rebelled the way most young teenagers do: sneaking into the city to practice yoga. It may seem strange to many of us now, but yoga was not looked kindly upon in this small religious town back then.   Chelsey was immediately enthralled and captivated by the whole yoga scene – but at the time, she never thought she would teach it. However, the people around her didn't take no as an answer… they saw that it was part of her and, eventually, she also heard the calling to teach.   A decade of learning and teaching around the world has led her to design AWAKE with Chelsey Korus, a total package lifestyle built on three pillars: soul, spirit, and environment.   “AWAKE has been a driving force for me my entire life – I never wanted to be the person who didn't have the eyes to see the beauty around me!”   The Biggest Helping: Today's Most Important Takeaway   “Keep on your radar the energy or the habits or the thoughts or the people who bring about stagnancy, who bring about this non-participating in the moment – this energy that would cause you to play small, cause you to go numb, cause you be like ‘I don't matter and I'm not even going to try.'”   Keep that on your radar and notice when you're just being your rehearsed self… and start seeking out those who are different from you so you can destabilize that rehearsed self so that you can get a good vision, a new vision, for the world.”   --   Thank you for joining us on The Daily Helping with Dr. Shuster. Subscribe to the show on iTunes, Stitcher, or Google Play to download more food for the brain, knowledge from the experts, and tools to win at life.   Resources: Learn more at chelseykorus.com Connect on Instagram: @chelseykorus Join Chelsey's FB Group: Now It's Like This with Chelsey Korus The Daily Helping is produced by Podcast Masters

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