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Today we have in the house the one, the only Mr. Eric Chessen. Eric is on a mission helping kids with Autism he has extensive work with individuals with developmental disabilities with specific focus on young individuals (4-21) with autism spectrum disorder. Particular emphasis on program and curriculum instruction and implementation of adaptive fitness programs as well as staff training. Innovative problem-solving techniques. Strong abilities in group settings. *Episode Highlights* *Ari* [00:07:10] Well, very, very cool. I mean, you know, it's it's an unusual thing to choose to work with a population that a lot of people are kind of scared of. They think you are. Oh, yeah. The autism population is too delicate, maybe or fragile to work with. So I want to just for for everybody, like give me a story of an experience that you've been able to produce in one of your clients and just kind of like the love that they've been able to give back. Based on what you've been able to do for them. So any kind of kind of story about an experience, you know, that you've had. *Eric* [00:10:17] And it didn't mean he was performing the exercises perfectly and that and that everything was great. It just meant, you know, he was on task enough that he could learn and that he could he could progress so that for for myself and me as a coach and a practitioner, that that was a major victory. And, you know, for his family as well to to earn that trust and to understand that this is something really important in his life, to have me work with him for four, 12 years as well until I relocated and then to, you know, to have him work with another coach after that, who I trained. But on on a larger scale and looking from the perspective of what we're doing with autism, fitness, what I wasn't doing, I wasn't going in there and waving my magic wand and saying, well, now you're having fun and now you like exercise. What I was doing was taking that the concepts and principles and strategies that at the time I was I was learning and just starting to develop into a system and be able to integrate that and have a successful outcome, which is the same thing now in teaching the certification course and in educating other people and consulting. Having other people have those results is the real merit test for for validating that the curriculum itself. Because if it's just me doing it and it's just the Eric Chessen super autism fitness magic show, that's fine for the athletes that I work with. But what do we do on a larger scale? But if it's if we can replicate it and there are other coaches and practitioners who can use the work for their athletes, then then we are doing something that that really is world changing. *Eric* [00:14:38] What I mean by that is I think it's shifted and shifted for the better in terms of a lot more programming's being a lot more programing, being focused on quality of life now, which is good, especially for a program like mine, because we're dealing with quality of life in terms of physical health as well. So the conversation has shifted and I think the focus now is is a little better. What I think that one of the biggest issues is the difference between knowing something and doing something about it. You know, if if we asked a room of 200 people, how many of you think is physical activity is important for the best quality of life. Now, one hundred and ninety nine hands go up and no one not because they just want to argue. Right. Which is fine. But it's actually enacting those processes and those strategies, and that's the thing about what we do with autism fitness also is that I didn't have to invent anything in terms of the exercises. You know, we're using presses and squats and crawling patterns and hurdle steps and medicine ball throws. I don't have to invent anything. And I don't necessary hurdle or obstacle was not. We don't know what exercises are good. It's how do you implement these for this population? *Ari* [00:16:05] You know, it sounds like like there's a lot of cognitive benefit that may be a side benefit to the physical movement, especially if you're doing things like cross crawling, activating both sides of the brain with the movement, activating balance, that there's going to be a cognitive shift as well in in those that population. It sounds to me like you're having quite an effect on cognition as well as just knowing motor response. Or can you know Kinney's. *Eric* [00:19:28] Number one is prioritize. Someone can give as much lip service as they want to fitness or anything else. But if it's not made a priority, then, you know, when is it going to happen? So, again, it's you know, I can have 100 hands raised in a room. How many people think it's important? Right. But how many people are actually doing it? And you're going to see dwindling numbers of hands there. Number two is consistency. We in our program, we win with consistency, and that's across the board with consistency with the exercises can just consistency with the teaching methodology, consistency with the coaching and cueing and the language that we use. And three is you can only work with what you're observing. So we have a saying in our program. We have many things in our optimum fitness program. It's no what you're looking at, which which means from all three areas, physical, adaptive and cognitive. So know what you're looking at with respect to the movement pattern. Know what you're looking at in terms of level of motivation and what we need to do to support behavior and know what you're looking at in terms of the individual's ability to understand and act on the directions that we're giving them. *Resources and Links* * *https://autismfitness.com/* * *https://www.facebook.com/eric.chessen* * *https://CreateANewTomorrow.com* * *https://www.facebook.com/arigronich* *Full Transcription* *Ari&EricChessen1.mp3* *Ari* [00:00:00] Has it occurred to you that the systems we live by are not designed to get results. We pay for procedures instead of outcomes, focusing on emergencies rather than preventing disease and living a healthy lifestyle. For over 25 years, I've taken care of Olympians, Paralympians, A-list actors and Fortune 1000 companies. If I did not get results, they did not get results. I realized that while powerful people who controlled the system want to keep the status quo. If I were to educate the masses, you would demand change. So I'm taking the gloves off and going after the systems as they are. Join me on my mission to create a new tomorrow as a chat with industry experts. Elite athletes thought leaders and government officials about how we activate our vision for a better world. We may agree and we may disagree, but I'm not backing down. *Ari* [00:00:50] I'm Ari Gronich and this is. Create a new tomorrow podcast. *Ari* [00:01:01] Hey, everybody, this is Ari Gronich with the Create a New Tomorrow podcast. We're here with a good friend, Eric, who is an autism fitness expert. *Ari* [00:01:13] That is a really unusual thing for somebody to be an autism fitness expert. So I'm going to kind of give you a little bit about Eric Chessen. He is the founder of Autism Fitness. He's an exercise physiologist with an extensive background in applied behavior analysis. And Eric has been working with the ASTM population of all ages for nearly 20 years. So, Eric, what are you kind of give us a little bit of background as to who you are and why you chose this particular niche, which is your niche to choose. *Eric* [00:01:50] Thanks. All right. Sure. So I started out as many in the industry who went on to work with niche populations as a personal, young, very green personal trainer working with general population. And at the same time, I was doing graduate studies in behavior analysis. And in one of those, I believe it was a principles of human behavior class. I had a classmate who was the director of a program for teens on the autism spectrum in New York City. And she said, hey, I know your personal trainer. You're in this behavioral science class. Would you be interested in developing some fitness programs for our curriculum? We've never had a dedicated fitness program. We've tried some sports activities. It hasn't really gelled, hasn't really worked out. So over the course of our discussion, I decided to apply to become part of part of this small research program. And they liked what I had to say. I started working with the individuals in the program. And one thing that was really important about my early experience was that I was not working with individuals who would be considered high functioning or highly motivated or very on task. And it set the foundation for everything that I would develop later, which was you have to have a system that accounts for nearly any any possibility. So as I continued developing my my craft or my skill set in this program, an opportunity came along. I had a behavior analyst who contacted me. I forget how it must have been based on something that I wrote. And she said, I usually do early intervention, you know, three and four year olds. I just took on two new cases, these two twelve year old boys. I have no idea what to do with them. Do you think you could help out? So I said, yeah. I think I can. So those became my my first two athletes outside of the program that I was working at. And at the time, I found when I started performing any type of research and I put that in quotes of best practices for integrating fitness programs for the autism population. I found very little. What I found was vague and general. At best it was fitness programs are important for all populations, special needs, populations included, which not much to take action on there. So what I realized was there was this large gap in in practices or disciplines. So you have the the world of fitness and physical activity, strength and conditioning and and movement. And it's not. It's not visible to the autism world, meaning families and other practitioners, behavior therapists, speech pathologist, etc.. *Eric* [00:05:00] So I thought, well, I don't I don't I can't profess to say that I ever actually had this specific thought. But it occurred to me over time that there was something to having an interdisciplinary background where I can speak. When I talk about autism, fitness now, we can speak many different languages so we can talk about fitness with respect to how we can improve movement quality and strengthen stability. But we can also talk about behavioral challenges and how we can integrate positive behavior support, how how we can increase fluency of speech, how we can integrate speech targets. So we speak to all of these different professionals and caretakers, including parents, family members who are involved with or caring for or or serving the autism population. And we look at fitness as a gateway and a foundation for both short and long term optimal development. So from so I've been running programs for, I guess I guess around 15 years at that time. And then I met David Blumen, who is my business manager, and we launched our autism fitness certification level one in May 2017. And now worldwide, we have over how many is over 400? Thirty, I believe, autism, fitness certified pros. And we're just looking to create our mission is called the Movement for Movement. So the idea and the goal is to have fitness programs and adapted P.E. programs accessible to the whole of the autism population, regardless, again, of age or or ability level. So that's where we're at now. And then back in in early March, in fact, March 1st. My my wife and I relocated from New York, which was my home for over thirty nine years, to Charlotte, North Carolina, where I'm speaking to you from now. *Ari* [00:07:10] Well, very, very cool. I mean, you know, it's it's an unusual thing to choose to work with a population that a lot of people are kind of scared of. They think you are. Oh, yeah. The autism population is too delicate, maybe or fragile to work with. So I want to just for for everybody, like give me a story of an experience that you've been able to produce in one of your clients and just kind of like the love that they've been able to give back. Based on what you've been able to do for them. So any kind of kind of story about an experience, you know, that you've had. *Eric* [00:07:54] Sure. Well, one of my one of those two boys who I mentioned, who I was working with originally back in the first or second year that I started my business, our first few sessions wound up on the floor with me protecting him from banging his head into a hard tile kitchen floor. And so that was that was definitely the most shocking, one of the more challenging situations that you can be in, particularly with this population, because we're looking right there. We're looking at a one hundred percent. This is a safety intervention right now. And I had I had worked with him, you know, from from that point for 12 years after that also. And to have him eventually develop to the point where he began mastering some of the most challenging exercises that we have in our autism fitness curriculum is doing Schoop throws with a medicine ball. So learning hinge mechanics, his squat pattern is getting better also. And it's not just about the the exercises or the physical benefit or the development of the physical skills. It's definitely about that, because that's what we're that's where it worked to achieve. But going from a place where were we have to be very considerate of severe self injurious behavior to a point where an athlete is largely motivated to participate. Definitely shows that something good is happening and that something has changed. And the biggest success for me now out of that, the biggest success was the fact that Fidelity, after several sessions and some and a few interventions, and it's not to say that it was always 100 percent unicorns and rainbows in our session. But to go to that point, which was a real concern to a point where I would go over and you would understand the expectation and we would go through all the exercises that we needed to go through and everything was cool. *Eric* [00:10:17] And it didn't mean he was performing the exercises perfectly and that and that everything was great. It just meant, you know, he was on task enough that he could learn and that he could he could progress so that for for myself and me as a coach and a practitioner, that that was a major victory. And, you know, for his family as well to to earn that trust and to understand that this is something really important in his life, to have me work with him for four, 12 years as well until I relocated and then to, you know, to have him work with another coach after that, who I trained. But on on a larger scale and looking from the perspective of what we're doing with autism, fitness, what I wasn't doing, I wasn't going in there and waving my magic wand and saying, well, now you're having fun and now you like exercise. What I was doing was taking that the concepts and principles and strategies that at the time I was I was learning and just starting to develop into a system and be able to integrate that and have a successful outcome, which is the same thing now in teaching the certification course and in educating other people and consulting. Having other people have those results is the real merit test for for validating that the curriculum itself. Because if it's just me doing it and it's just the Eric Chessen super autism fitness magic show, that's fine for the athletes that I work with. But what do we do on a larger scale? But if it's if we can replicate it and there are other coaches and practitioners who can use the work for their athletes, then then we are doing something that that really is world changing. *Ari* [00:12:04] Absolutely. So it sounds like you're creating a movement which is part of. What create a new tomorrow is about, meets with people and their passions. You have over 400 people that you've trained in this system who are now getting the opportunity to have an effect on thousands and thousands and thousands of a population that were previously unserved, as you know. I'd like to pick fights, so I'm going to pick a fight with the system itself. What have you seen as one of the largest obstacles inside of the system as it is and the training of the system, both in fitness and in all the other forms of medical care that you're you're looking for other practitioners? Like if you had a behavior in a speech therapist and, you could refer to regular basis that are as qualified as you are in what you do for that population. What would what would you consider to be the biggest obstacle in that system? *Eric* [00:13:14] I think having a largely reactive model and we can talk about this in terms of certainly the Western medical system, and I think it's gotten it's gotten a lot better with preventative care. In my experience and of course, this is only my experience when I first started out the buy in for or the interest in fitness for this population. Was not there. Not very high. I don't think people had an understanding of what fitness really is and what physical act, the benefit, the benefits of physical activity. And there's is a conversation I've had numerous times with colleagues, the fact that programing for the autism population at two decades ago, definitely even even a decade ago, was largely focused in the the academic and also in the very. I suppose we could say almost vocational. So it was all you know, it was all skill development. It was all this kind of rote, if not rote, rote memory, but just read a lot of repetition with no real, I think, overarching goal as far as a fully developed human being. *Eric* [00:14:38] What I mean by that is I think it's shifted and shifted for the better in terms of a lot more programming's being a lot more programing, being focused on quality of life now, which is good, especially for a program like mine, because we're dealing with quality of life in terms of physical health as well. So the conversation has shifted and I think the focus now is is a little better. What I think that one of the biggest issues is the difference between knowing something and doing something about it. You know, if if we asked a room of 200 people, how many of you think is physical activity is important for the best quality of life. Now, one hundred and ninety nine hands go up and no one not because they just want to argue. Right. Which is fine. But it's actually enacting those processes and those strategies, and that's the thing about what we do with autism fitness also is that I didn't have to invent anything in terms of the exercises. You know, we're using presses and squats and crawling patterns and hurdle steps and medicine ball throws. I don't have to invent anything. And I don't necessary hurdle or obstacle was not. We don't know what exercises are good. It's how do you implement these for this population? *Ari* [00:16:05] You know, it sounds like like there's a lot of cognitive benefit that may be a side benefit to the physical movement, especially if you're doing things like cross crawling, activating both sides of the brain with the movement, activating balance, that there's going to be a cognitive shift as well in in those that population. It sounds to me like you're having quite an effect on cognition as well as just knowing motor response. Or can you know Kinney's. *Eric* [00:16:40] I'm I'm certain that we do in some respects. The tricky part is not overestimating or over qualifying something that that's happening. So I only speak to what the observable universe that we have in front of us because I don't know what that's going to look like for each athlete. And I talk about this in our Level one certification with respect to when we break everything down. The system that I created is called the PAC profile. So it's physical, adaptive and cognitive. And from a cognitive perspective, we can see an increase in cognitive functioning during the fitness session. We have to be really careful in discussing what we're talking about because it's not as though we're saying, OK, well, we're doing 10 medicine ball throws and then three cone touches and then they're going to raise their IQ, you know, four points. But what we're looking at is the individual's ability to start making some some associations and contingencies between a direction. So I say, OK, go do a 20 rope swings and they go over and they pick up the ropes because they know they they are able to match my language, in the words unamusing with the recall of what they're supposed to be doing. So the cognitive effect, though, I'm sure it there's some there's a beneficial outcome there. What I can't start going into is whether it's specific or whether it's general. Because, again, when you're dealing with individual, I don't know what that's gonna look like for every individual, especially when we're talking about our our non-verbal population. But there is there's I think there's enough good research in the neurotypical population demonstrating that exercise does have a positive effect on certain areas of neurological functioning, that we could take that information and say, you know what? It's probably true for the autism and other developmental disabilities as well. *Ari* [00:18:47] Absolutely. So we're we're going to wrap this up a little bit. I ask everybody on the show to give some actionable steps that people can take today. And, you know, in this case, we'll talk to the parents, the trainers, the therapists, the people who deal specifically in this population or to what is what are three actionable steps that they can do if they're passionate about working with or supporting this population. What can they do to be of of more support workers? *Eric* [00:19:28] Number one is prioritize. Someone can give as much lip service as they want to fitness or anything else. But if it's not made a priority, then, you know, when is it going to happen? So, again, it's you know, I can have 100 hands raised in a room. How many people think it's important? Right. But how many people are actually doing it? And you're going to see dwindling numbers of hands there. Number two is consistency. We in our program, we win with consistency, and that's across the board with consistency with the exercises can just consistency with the teaching methodology, consistency with the coaching and cueing and the language that we use. And three is you can only work with what you're observing. So we have a saying in our program. We have many things in our optimum fitness program. It's no what you're looking at, which which means from all three areas, physical, adaptive and cognitive. So know what you're looking at with respect to the movement pattern. Know what you're looking at in terms of level of motivation and what we need to do to support behavior and know what you're looking at in terms of the individual's ability to understand and act on the directions that we're giving them. *Ari* [00:20:37] Awesome. Thank you so much. What? Where can people get a hold of you? What are some of the ways that somebody who's listening to this can connect with you? *Eric* [00:20:46] Our main Web site is autismfitness.com. And across the board, Instagram, YouTube and Facebook. It's the autism fitness. And I do a lot of I have started on them again. I do a lot of live chats where I answer people's questions. We put a lot I have we have a lot of videos on our YouTube channel that not only demonstrate the exercises, but some of the insight as to why we're doing something or what we're looking for. And for those who want to dove in and become autism fitness certified level one, pros on autism, fitness dot com. You can look at the certification page. You can download our course syllabus. Our next course begins. I believe so. Timber 20th. *Ari* [00:21:38] Cool. Sounds good. *Ari* [00:21:41] I really hope that people will come and check you out just as an added benefit to those that if you specialize in any fitness or medical training. Your average income goes up by approximately 60 percent. So for anybody who's on the fence, who's thinking, I'd like to do a general fit as I like to just do the general work. You can actually earn approximately 60 percent more for doing the same work and you'll have the reward of working with a population of people that you can really, truly have a massive effect on. And so that to me is a great benefit. Thank you so much, Eric, for coming on the show. Thank you. I am going to sign off now. This is Ari Gronich. And this was another episode of Create a New Tomorrow. I look forward to hearing from you and seeing you next time. Thank you. *Ari* [00:22:46] Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. *Ari* [00:22:53] If you'd like to take this information further and are interested in joining a community of like minded people who are all passionate about activating their vision for a better world, go to the Web site, createanewtomorrow.com and find out how you can be part of making a bigger difference. I have a gift for you. Just for checking it out. *Ari* [00:23:11] And look forward to seeing you take the leap. And joining our private paid mastermind community. Until then, see you on the next episode.

In here we have with us as a guest today is Khadevis Robinson, one of the top track athletes on the planet ever. He was essentially from from from Texas, played football, ran track cross-country, the whole nine, and ended up going to CCU and winning an NCAA championship and ended up retiring in 2012 Olympic Games and started coaching after that. *Episode Highlights* *Ari* [00:03:20] And that can be said about infrastructure, can be said about any of any of these things, right? What am I? My friends that I will be speaking to, his name is AJ Ali. And we're gonna be talking a lot about the systems of health care and how it affects black people more than majority black Latino at-risk populations and groups. He's written a book called Walking while Black Love is the Answer. That love is the answer part stands for and I don't remember exactly. But I'll give you kind of the synopsis or learn about your neighbors. Learn about the people. You're different then. *Khadevis* [00:06:49] And he's just people find it and he's going like, what's that kid like? He that would be a breeze. I'm going, no, bring this thing to him. Boy Scouts. I'll be all right. And he can be proud. He just to understand, like, this doesn't make sense. That's kind of how it is. It's like some some groups and people in the business. They don't want things to be utopian or better and good for why. Who knows? So when we talk about the health care system, we talk about all this different stuff. *Ari* [00:10:09] House everybody? And it probably wouldn't even affect our lifestyle that much. In fact, it probably would make our lifestyle a little bit better. Now, the philosophy is I don't like change. That's the philosophy of some people. I don't like change. I want stagnation. I want to be where we are. Progress is bad. You know, you've heard this progressive's gotta have a bad rap. Progress. How could progress be bad if he can't? If you're not growing, you're dying. Right. So how can progress ever be bad? It's only a thing. It's progress. It's a movement of time. *Ari* [00:11:51] It's time for you to let go, right? That's kind of what we're saying. And we're saying that in a very general way, because most of those people don't exist anymore. Just the beneficiaries of that system, but not the creators of it. So since we made this shit up and we can make it up better, what are some of the. *Khadevis* [00:13:12] These are smart people who are going to vote to not get a raise. When you if you don't vote or you almost have to get a salary, he's what are you going to vote to get there? Great. That's common sense. What a post. What? Whatever may deal with the real world of really issues. They've got an option to vote. They've got a choice to vote to get more money. You're telling me you'd think anyone vote not to. And you're mad because they voted for themselves to get more money. *Khadevis* [00:19:32] And I think that's where we're were at that total point now. You can see it is just a matter of if individuals going to still have this level of energy and enthusiasm. Once the pandemics? over. Everything's back to normal. *Ari* [00:19:46] Yeah. Well, I'm hoping that that it'll it'll just get more than just it'll itchin them so much more. You know, it's funny, we had this whole thing a couple months ago, right? This blackness, protests and these things. What do you hear about that stuff nowadays? Not very much, because the explosion dies down fast. But when you stoke a fire and you keep it slow burning and have that fire last forever. And that's kind of that's the analogy that I'm using. I don't want to have that big blast of explosive energy because of a reaction to something. *Ari* [00:20:33] I want to have a premeditated slow burn that creates a lifelong of change. And I think that you do, too. Yeah. And this come at that that you like to be a part of and you're you're reading and running program is awesome. What other charity? You went to Zimbabwe on a specific date *Khadevis* [00:24:40] Miracle worthy thing. So did it. Like what? God, how did KD do that? You know. How did he do. What the he he won the lottery. How I played the lottery that's why. You know, now that's an that's an exaggerated example. But my point is, you know. You see. Oh. How was he? You know, I actually sent over a message on LinkedIn. You know, he was like, well, why am I. Well, you know what? I'm just right. And if it works out, then, you know. So most people never make the game winning shot because they never take the game. When you say, how do you go make it if you don't take it? So now go out. Connect with people. Try these things that you might feel that if you don't. If you don't. If you don't know. Succeed. And so at least you try it. But you got to do it. This is not just a quote. This is not like. *Khadevis* [00:29:27] And I learned quickly that they're doing those same times. There's other environments in which if a young lady told a young man the exact same thing. It really meant they weren't. Does she want to go back and watch a movie at one o'clock in the morning? Some people like my welcome. Well, we can't watch the movie tomorrow. Well, watch. We've been dancing, you know, making whatever way. So. So now you're getting those situations. She's you know, one person is taking you on watch a movie, I think. OK. She won't be the. Whatever. *Resources and Links* * *https://CreateANewTomorrow.com* * *https://www.facebook.com/arigronich* * *https://khadevis.com/* * *https://www.facebook.com/Khadevisr* *Full Transcription* *Ari&Khadevis3.mp3* *Ari* [00:00:02] Has it occurred to you that the systems we live by are not designed to get results? We pay for procedures instead of outcomes, focusing on emergencies rather than preventing disease and living a healthy lifestyle. For over 25 years, I've taken care of Olympians, Paralympians, A-list actors and Fortune 1000 companies. If I don't get results, they did not get results. I realized that while powerful people who controlled the system want to keep the status quo. If I were to educate the masses, you would demand change. So I'm taking the gloves off and going after the systems as they are. Join me on my mission to create a new tomorrow as I chat with industry experts. Elite athletes, thought leaders and government officials about how we activate our vision for a better world. We may agree and we may disagree, but I'm not backing down. *Ari* [00:00:51] I'm Ari Gronich and this is. Create a new tomorrow podcast. *Ari* [00:01:03] Welcome back to part three of this interview, if you missed part one or part two. Head back to those previous episodes before you listen to this one. Now, we'll dove right into the conversation from the moment we left off. Thanks again and welcome back. *Ari* [00:01:19] Yeah, you know, it's interesting because I'm a I'm a realist. I see the world as it is, but I'm also an ideological utopian society. You know, I know where I see the world going as well. And what's possible for the world if we step out of our own ways and stop trying to make, you know, like I here make America great again, or it matter if it's whatever it is. Right. Is it the time when we had famine? Is it the dark ages when we had suppression? Is it that, you know, it doesn't matter what is better then that we can't make better in the future. Right. Than it was. Nothing has ever been optimal. Forget it's wise. So we only can make things as optimal as we can see the possible to be. And I'm really big. I don't like doing podcasts where I'm asking you fluffy snow. Yes. You know, relaxed questions that you know the answers to. I want to challenge you to really explore yourself on the on this this media with me. I want to make sure that the guests and the listeners have an experience that is outside of their comfort zone. In some cases, because I'd like to you know, I say pick fights. It's not really pick fights. I like to challenge the status quo. I like to join the systems. We don't have a very good health care system. It kind of sucks and it's the best it's ever been. And it's still kind of sucks in the results that it gets. We don't have a very good political system. Our system is extremely flawed and it's probably the best it's ever been. *Ari* [00:03:16] For what it's been. Right. So. *Ari* [00:03:20] And that can be said about infrastructure, can be said about any of any of these things, right? What am I? My friends that I will be speaking to, his name is AJ Ali. And we're gonna be talking a lot about the systems of health care and how it affects black people more than majority black Latino at-risk populations and groups. He's written a book called Walking while Black Love is the Answer. That love is the answer part stands for and I don't remember exactly. But I'll give you kind of the synopsis or learn about your neighbors. Learn about the people. You're different then. *Ari* [00:04:06] Right. The O is. *Ari* [00:04:12] I don't remember what the O is, the V is volunteer to be part of the solution. Right. And so I was just going to go the L and the V because that's what I remember at the moment. I'll remember the rest as soon as we're off the recording. But you get the point is learn about your neighbors. Well, what would that do for us? What would it do if we started to volunteer to help the people in our community rather than tell them that they're wrong and bad? What would it do for our community relations if we were to shift and change? I know he's a guy who he's owned to professional soccer teams. Played soccer for the Air Force. And was one of the first black reporters in golf. He was told, get out of the sport because he's not wanted there. And then he's walking in his own neighborhood in Baltimore and he's getting followed and guns pulled on him by police for walking in the right and the wrong neighborhood in his neighborhood. *Ari* [00:05:19] And so, you know, this is something like I look at it and I go, OK. So this is what is this is reality. We've got it. So now that we know what reality is, what are the steps that we can take? To change reality to a more optimal. Reality. *Ari* [00:05:43] And that's kind of what he's done with his book. So what would what would your answer to this be? And it doesn't matter. It's not necessarily that particular situation, just life in general or society in general. But if you were to go about the process of taking somebody through what is loving reality. *Ari* [00:06:06] And how do we want reality to be? What would that look like to you. *Khadevis* [00:06:11] I think you. The only thing we can do is we have to live that reality out the best way we can. *Khadevis* [00:06:19] The challenge is there are people who don't want that. *Khadevis* [00:06:25] So what I mean by that is, is that old movie called Mr. Smith Goes to Washington is a great movie. Oh, that's good. It is so good about a politician that goes and becomes like a senator or representative. What I mean. He has this idea that help Boy Scouts is such that you would think everybody would be like you like who don't want to help Boy Scout kids. Yeah. And he brings it up to get vote. *Khadevis* [00:06:49] And he's just people find it and he's going like, what's that kid like? He that would be a breeze. I'm going, no, bring this thing to him. Boy Scouts. I'll be all right. And he can be proud. He just to understand, like, this doesn't make sense. That's kind of how it is. It's like some some groups and people in the business. They don't want things to be utopian or better and good for why. Who knows? So when we talk about the health care system, we talk about all this different stuff. *Khadevis* [00:07:17] It's really simple. It's really our fault. And when you say, well, hold on, it's been a little it's been a little tough. *Khadevis* [00:07:23] Well, here's a question. If we really wanted to. In the U.S., it's just usually us. Could we make it? No. Not one person in us dies of starvation or malnutrition. Yeah, I mean, there's enough food in the U.S. to feed everybody. Like, this is this is this is a fact. This is an absolute fact. Could we make it that even like everyone has shelter, meaning like even if they like a house or somewhere, some form show that is no homeless on the street. Could we make. Yes. It's enough property stuff that it could be done. We put out we're intuitive. We we are industrious enough. We have this out of that to make it happen. So why isn't it happen if someone gives Apple someone was to say, we're going to we're going to everyone. We have to pay to send two pennies more of taxes. And that way, we ensure there's absolutely no homeless in the world, people that go against it. And you know, like we know that to say. And some of the people that would go against it will be people that. They still rich, you will be like, what? What do you watch what? So that's what it is. It's unfortunate. It sucks. So some of these things that haven't changed. Let's be honest. Let's be real. Let's be real. You know, somewhat because people don't want some. Some of the powers that be don't want to chase. You know, that's not a political bias. Just just being. And we allow some of this stuff. *Ari* [00:08:58] Being real. *Ari* [00:08:59] My question is and this goes to what you're saying. So I have I have this philosophy. Right. Silence is a bully's best friend. And my feeling about that is that the people who would benefit the most typically are silenced. By the people who have an agenda or the bullies and the people who. *Ari* [00:09:31] Want to change? Feel like they don't have a voice? *Khadevis* [00:09:37] Yeah. *Ari* [00:09:37] Right. *Ari* [00:09:39] And none of what people feel necessarily is accurate in reality is if we got loud. *Ari* [00:09:51] And. *Ari* [00:09:52] Created a wisdom with that loudness. So meaning we put the learning, we put that into action. [00:10:01] Created wisdom with the learning. We could basically feed everybody we could. *Ari* [00:10:09] House everybody? And it probably wouldn't even affect our lifestyle that much. In fact, it probably would make our lifestyle a little bit better. Now, the philosophy is I don't like change. That's the philosophy of some people. I don't like change. I want stagnation. I want to be where we are. Progress is bad. You know, you've heard this progressive's gotta have a bad rap. Progress. How could progress be bad if he can't? If you're not growing, you're dying. Right. So how can progress ever be bad? It's only a thing. It's progress. It's a movement of time. *Ari* [00:10:51] And so here's the thing. And I talk about this in the book. I talk about about it on this podcast is. *Ari* [00:11:00] If we've made this shit up. Can we not make it up better? *Ari* [00:11:08] We created the society the way it is. The people who are the architects of the society really are powerful now and they really like it because they built it. It's their baby. But how many times has somebodies baby? Gotten married and the parent did not like that. The baby was married now. Right. OK. So we're just telling those powers that be. Your baby is getting married. Moving on. Going to grow and make her own family and build her own structures and systems. *Ari* [00:11:51] It's time for you to let go, right? That's kind of what we're saying. And we're saying that in a very general way, because most of those people don't exist anymore. Just the beneficiaries of that system, but not the creators of it. So since we made this shit up and we can make it up better, what are some of the. *Ari* [00:12:12] Philosophies we can move into that are more optimal and effective. *Khadevis* [00:12:21] I mean want to. *Ari* [00:12:22] I'm sorry,. *Khadevis* [00:12:23] My honest answer is probably one no one is going to like. *Khadevis* [00:12:31] OK. You said you said in a gentle way, right? *Khadevis* [00:12:36] The individuals you're talking about, the groups you talk about. They don't respond to gentle. I'm just being real. We try, you know, trying to be gentle is not, you know, unfortunately, I hate to say it. *Khadevis* [00:12:52] I hate, you know, I wish it wasn't this way, but it's the reality that's not gonna. That's not the way it's going to work if there's going to be change. You know, I see it every week. *Khadevis* [00:13:01] I complain about those senators or whatever, whatever, complain about them, voted for themselves to get a pay increase, salary increase. *Khadevis* [00:13:12] These are smart people who are going to vote to not get a raise. When you if you don't vote or you almost have to get a salary, he's what are you going to vote to get there? Great. That's common sense. What a post. What? Whatever may deal with the real world of really issues. They've got an option to vote. They've got a choice to vote to get more money. You're telling me you'd think anyone vote not to. And you're mad because they voted for themselves to get more money. *Khadevis* [00:13:37] Are A group that's investigating themselves. One issue they find themselves innocent. *Khadevis* [00:13:46] I mean, let's just be honest. I'm just trying to be on so what I'm saying is. *Khadevis* [00:13:51] What I'm saying is that, as your question, the only way it will be changed is that we have to be forced. And I don't want to hear. And I agree. Maybe I'm telling. Let me ask you a question. *Khadevis* [00:14:02] When you think about in the world history, the world world. Who do you think are the five most? [00:14:09] Loving, friendly, uniting, positive people. If you don't mind, in the world, the five most like ever. Like they bring people together. *Ari* [00:14:20] Like ever. *Khadevis* [00:14:21] Yeah. *Ari* [00:14:22] OK. So I would probably go with Confucius, Buddha, Gandhi, Mother Theresa and Jesus, frankly. *Khadevis* [00:14:32] OK. *Ari* [00:14:33] Jesus. *Khadevis* [00:14:34] All right. So. What happened to hey, Jesus? Jesus. *Ari* [00:14:42] Well, you know, Romans just got pissed off,. *Khadevis* [00:14:48] He got killed right. Right. Right. *Ari* [00:14:50] Yeah. *Khadevis* [00:14:52] What happened to Gandhi. *Ari* [00:14:53] Gandhi. I don't know what happened to Gandhi. Look that up. *Khadevis* [00:14:59] What about Mother Teresa? *Ari* [00:15:01] She died a very happy woman. *Khadevis* [00:15:05] So when you start talking about. The Martin Luther King. You started talking about some of the people. JFK, you start talking about some of the people that tried to make some of the biggiest in past. Evil, evil. See? Did they play a different game? *Khadevis* [00:15:29] They don't go out loud. So. So there are a lot of good people that try to do good things. And then I realized I have a job. You see my realize man, as he was putting my family in danger. *Khadevis* [00:15:45] So that's why I say in order for somebody stop that really great change, you don't have to be forced. I always say that way. *Ari* [00:15:52] I totally I totally get you. Here's here's my only caveat to that. And it's something that that a business friend of mine taught me once. And also, frankly, Buckminster Fuller, who is one of my my mentors. I don't read anything from Bucky. But he said don't go after the system as it is or within the system as it is. Just build something better. Right. Next store. The people will come. Yeah. Yeah. And that's paraphrased. But that's kind of the philosophy that I have is. OK. So who do we know in any given field that's dissatisfied with how that field is choosing to get sub optimal results? And you know, for me, it's the medical field mostly, which includes infrastructure and government because infrastructure is extremely important to health care. But let's just let's just say it's doctors. More and more doctors are stopping to work with insurance companies. They see that it's kind of a losing proposition if they want to actually make their clients and patients healthy. *Ari* [00:17:07] Yeah, they're going away from that. More towards a functional medicine. Integrative approach would surance companies don't pay for the AMA doesn't like at all. *Ari* [00:17:18] In fact, they investigate those people. So here's my thing. One or two people, one hundred people doing this are susceptible to the killing, to the death, to the being attacked. And we've seen that happen in the industry. But a thousand. Ten thousand. *Ari* [00:17:40] However, many of us there are getting loud. Not being quiet. Not allowing the insurance companies to do the rule that they have to have the over site that they have. And just getting loud. We have this great platform of YouTube and podcasts go on. *Ari* [00:18:02] And you're starting to hear people now just whispering pieces, a few people loud. But those people are now considered considered conspiracy. Right. But what happens when it's ten thousand? *Ari* [00:18:16] No longer are you the conspiracy theories. You are the new movement. And that's what I want to create. I want the revolution to be televised. And I want it to be a little more gentle than what we've had to see in the past, because we haven't had the media of YouTube's and podcasting and so on that can get words out in a much more gentle way. *Ari* [00:18:42] We had to do massive marches and protests. But we have the ability now. To do it differently. *Ari* [00:18:52] And what I'd like to see is people like you, people like me, people that have the the knowledge and the wisdom and are have been playing it in our small little caves. *Ari* [00:19:07] Become. Come out of those caves and be loud and really blast to the world that there is a possibility that something else than what is could be way, way, way better. *Ari* [00:19:22] And we're just about to roll it out. You know, slowly but surely so that we can live in this better world. *Khadevis* [00:19:32] And I think that's where we're were at that total point now. You can see it is just a matter of if individuals going to still have this level of energy and enthusiasm. Once the pandemics? over. Everything's back to normal. *Ari* [00:19:46] Yeah. Well, I'm hoping that that it'll it'll just get more than just it'll itchin them so much more. You know, it's funny, we had this whole thing a couple months ago, right? This blackness, protests and these things. What do you hear about that stuff nowadays? Not very much, because the explosion dies down fast. But when you stoke a fire and you keep it slow burning and have that fire last forever. And that's kind of that's the analogy that I'm using. I don't want to have that big blast of explosive energy because of a reaction to something. *Ari* [00:20:33] I want to have a premeditated slow burn that creates a lifelong of change. And I think that you do, too. Yeah. And this come at that that you like to be a part of and you're you're reading and running program is awesome. What other charity? You went to Zimbabwe on a specific date. *Khadevis* [00:20:57] Was it up to the Zimbabwe trip was specifically with the U.S. State Department, the sports envoys, US sports envoy to the embassy in ah, in Zimbabwe. So I love doing that. I'm really trying to do more of those. I can't. I'm a university co-ordinator with athletes for a whole, at least for hope as an organization out of D.C. And I've helped them kind of implement the programs in English at LSU and also now at Ohio State. So those those two things I was with the each foundation, which which I was a thin philanthropic advisory, essentially. I went out and found no recognized nonprofit organizations that probably maybe needed some some donations and some grants and some moneys. And I would. Give them money and stuff like that. But anyway, so just, you know, just doing those things right now. You. I think the energy I'm a big vibration and energy person. I think the energy in the universe, even though we're going through this pandemic, I think it's an interesting time is a good time to pivot. And it's a good time to take risks because, I mean, right now you take a risk and it don't work. I mean, what people say, I was wish it didn't work, going a pandemic, right? You know, like everybody's kind of struggling right now. So it's like, why not? But the last thing you want to do is for me personally is to do what everybody else is doing and complain and mope and why. So what I tell people right now, the A's I'm the message I'm getting at is in a time of uncertainty, be certain in yourself, in a time of uncertainty. Be setting yourself a lot of uncertainty out there right now and you can't control them. And that you're doing what you can do is be certain in yourself. And if you can't have, you're not able to be certain yourself. And that's the way you need to reflect on why can't you be right? I would have. What have you been doing all this time? You can't be certain of yourself. What do you do when you wake up in the morning? Why you won't tick tock. I mean, why do you now say, like, come on, Bill, some certainty in yourself? So it's obvious. Certain you can be certain yourself. So that's why I'm at now. And like I said, I think I think you and I got to do this again. I got it. I've got to. *Ari* [00:22:59] Absolutely. Give us while we wrap this up. Three actionable steps for the audience that they can do tomorrow and implement in their lives to change the world. Create a new tomorrow on activate their vision. *Khadevis* [00:23:15] All right. So first one is get active rather than running with his logo. You have to get active. Our bodies, our bodies are all connected. *Khadevis* [00:23:25] It is mind, body and soul. It's all connected. So by moving one way or the other, it really does. It really does. Trance transfer energy. We have a certain amount of energy that we have. And by moving, we're able to get that energy more moving. We put it into any other project. So get active reading, write fast some that you're interested in and learn more about it. Like, you know, whatever, you know, whatever the subject matter may be, whatever industry you may be in. *Khadevis* [00:23:56] And, you know, just reading. If you don't. If you don't. If you don't draw your attention, throw it away and get another you know, just just find something to read because it might expand. It never goes back to its original form. So once you learn some, you're able to share that with others. And then the last thing is, you know, connect with people. I mean, we always say God perform miracles to people, you know. Right now, you would think, oh, no more miracles. I'm a guy I used to do this and that and all these miracles. And I'm like B.S. Gospel. Performing miracles is just the way that you perceive. You know, how how in the world. And this is why I tell people how in the world are you going to create a miracle when you're not doing miracle worthy things. So I'm always trying some stuff that I might not be able to do because I'm I'm trying. *Khadevis* [00:24:40] Miracle worthy thing. So did it. Like what? God, how did KD do that? You know. How did he do. What the he he won the lottery. How I played the lottery that's why. You know, now that's an that's an exaggerated example. But my point is, you know. You see. Oh. How was he? You know, I actually sent over a message on LinkedIn. You know, he was like, well, why am I. Well, you know what? I'm just right. And if it works out, then, you know. So most people never make the game winning shot because they never take the game. When you say, how do you go make it if you don't take it? So now go out. Connect with people. Try these things that you might feel that if you don't. If you don't. If you don't know. Succeed. And so at least you try it. But you got to do it. This is not just a quote. This is not like. *Khadevis* [00:25:31] OK, sounds good, is it? No. I mean, literally, if you're a young guy right now, you're single and it's just growing. It's hot. You see every day at the gym, you know, just go up to us. And you know what? I know every bite until you get. Which are beautiful. And I just want to let you know, I had to get that out. *Khadevis* [00:25:48] No disrespect and keep it moving. Hey, you know, she might say forget you. But that's the at least you. Yes. You've told her, you know. Oh, whatever. If you want to start a company, you want to run a marathon, you know, whatever that may be. Try. I mean, we can't do a freaking pandemic right now. But, you know, its the twilight zone. *Ari* [00:26:07] It's a very odd world. We're living in. *Khadevis* [00:26:09] The twilight zone. *Khadevis* [00:26:10] Kobe Bryant basin freakin helicopter crash accident. We have a pandemic. They shouldn't. And our last voice was no spoilers this year. You got unemployment. You got freakin fires going. Oh, here you go. This is this is what we call right now some crazy times. So what I'm saying is live. You touch the stuff. You bet. Well, think they wait for the next life. This is this is the time to me again. This is not a political favor. Well, do you really think I don't take this the wrong way? Is not. Look, Donald Trump is president. Again, that's not I'm not saying that to be good, bad, right or wrong. I'm just saying like. *Ari* [00:26:58] Had predicted that in the 80s. *Khadevis* [00:27:01] Yeah. But my point is, who would have revery, you know, Salai who would ever thought like that's just one example. I'm just saying there's a lot of those examples. Going on in the world right now, you're not I mean, New Zealand has a female president. *Khadevis* [00:27:18] Germany has. You know, I can jack into a million of those. So my point is a man like, don't give me this. Miracles will happen. I'll give you this. *Khadevis* [00:27:26] I mean, I get enough Jay Z married to Beyounce all right. *Khadevis* [00:27:33] Oh, if Jay Z can marry Beyounce we can do anything because I mean. Thanks. Somebody really get my point. I'm not joking. I'm being serious at the same time. But, you know, here is what it is. I ah, it's been great. Bobby, I academia's on everything. *Ari* [00:27:49] Yeah. So how can they get a hold of you and you know, with your charity, what, what could they do to be of support. *Khadevis* [00:27:56] You know, we do take donations because what I do is I go to Boys and Girls Clubs, I go the United Way, I go to different countries. Listen, Zimbobwey, when I go to those places and I provide information, we take for granted that. The information we have would like to say go to college, like a lot of a lot of people don't know that they don't have that information. You don't know how to do it fast, but they don't understand how to do to sign up for the incident, like clearing a house. So little small stuff. The information that we're able to provide for them to take the AC, AICTE and SHC, all of that out. A little smart how to how to get in contact with a coach on the Internet. So we provide my organization provides those types of things, diversity, equality and inclusion. I speak about that. But in a real man, what I mean by that is a lot of the issues that we see going on in the world is not always because people are just bad. It's because you spoke about this environment, croi, the environment I came from. If I went to a party and I was dancing with a girl and we were dancing, partying, they got to one o'clock. *Khadevis* [00:29:06] And she said, you know, let's go back. Let's go back to my place in. Watch a movie. *Khadevis* [00:29:14] It was one o'clock. We've been dancing, partying. You know me like. In that environment, I was there years ago that I was, you know, going to think something. Right. *Ari* [00:29:26] Right. *Khadevis* [00:29:27] And I learned quickly that they're doing those same times. There's other environments in which if a young lady told a young man the exact same thing. It really meant they weren't. Does she want to go back and watch a movie at one o'clock in the morning? Some people like my welcome. Well, we can't watch the movie tomorrow. Well, watch. We've been dancing, you know, making whatever way. So. So now you're getting those situations. She's you know, one person is taking you on watch a movie, I think. OK. She won't be the. Whatever. *Khadevis* [00:29:56] And then that is what I think is. These things are things that need to be talked about. When you say bad, what is it? *Khadevis* [00:30:07] What does it mean bad? Does it mean good? You say doll. Was it me bad? Why can't you say certain words? OK. We got right now that's a big issue. Why can't that one, his friend say is we're innocent and say that because I mean, honey is not a bad word. Hey, honey, you know what? I can't call my friend's wife, honey. And he if I call her. Do you get mad? Was like, honey, it's not a bad word. We ask here. People say, honey all the time. I'm a man of faith. I've heard you now calling each other honey. So why? Because context becomes important. And not only context, also relationship, the relationship you have with that person, even though the words my bad and even the women's. I know someone in the column told each other the B word Maton and they call a best friend conjoining. It never occurred to me. To be going to Europe and then they go, Wow. And then I said, well, I'll call each other to be right on time now because I understand. Context and see, these are things that need to be explained. And that's what I do, my reading life. I go to organizations and explain. Those things. And then in a real way, though, not a politically necessary, but in a real way. Oh, you know what? I get it now. Yeah, they do say that word and he wraps that word and sings it. And then they do it together, they say together. And yeah, maybe I would want to say it, but now I understand our relationship and such in which I can say the context, not the same. *Ari* [00:31:38] Right. Well, you know, I totally appreciate. All of the time that you've been able to spend. I know we went way, way over the normal. So I'm just going to wrap it up. If you guys want to get a hold of Khadevis. *Ari* [00:31:58] You can just go and find him on Twitter, Instagram, probably YouTube, but Khadevis Robinson at everything dot com. And thank you so much. And this has been another episode of Create a New Tomorrow with Ari Gronich. We look forward to having you join us next time. Thank you so much. *Ari* [00:32:25] Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. *Ari* [00:32:32] If you'd like to take this information further and are interested in joining a community of like minded people who are all passionate about activating their vision for a better world, go to the Web site, createanewtomorrow.com and find out how you can be part of making a bigger difference. I have a gift for you. 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In here we have with us as a guest today is Khadevis Robinson, one of the top track athletes on the planet ever. He was essentially from from from Texas, played football, ran track cross-country, the whole nine, and ended up going to CCU and winning an NCAA championship and ended up retiring in 2012 Olympic Games and started coaching after that. *Episode Highlights* *Khadevis* [00:02:28] Sometimes I work all day. He said, I'm not out. Waiting outside. I got one wife. I don't got three or four wives. I'm not doing all this crazy. I don't use drugs. I rarely drink. I take care of my wife. I take my kid to go my house. I'm human, right. Some got a giggle. This cigar is my wimpy. You know, a lot of guys, a lot of girls before they go home at the word go by the bar to happy hour. Some people go to Vegas. Some people gamble. People do all sorts of stuff like I don't do those things. I take this garb and this is how relaxing. So for me, one of the things I do, you not only don't leave practicing, go to the board to happy hour. You know, again, I'm not a big gambler. I really don't drink at all those types of things. You know, my family. I mean, we are you know, I take care of that. I do this. So my thing is little soda. It can be worse. It could be. Give me a shot of him. I'm not doing it, though. You know, ice cream. It could be worse. Could be frightening. I ain't going it. So that's my thing. But to get back to your point on what I'm trying to do, the second half of my my life, you know, it's a movie called Hugo. It's a Muco Hugo in a movie, the boy talks about there's no extra ports in the world. And what that means is everything that's in the world, from our scan to the grass to the sky, to the oxygen, to the animals, to the water. *Khadevis* [00:09:27] If you're that type of person. What I mean. So. Exactly. See if I'm ghitis example. So there some of us. When we're doing something. Once we go into trying to please or some someone else, the focus is not on the doing. But some outside factor, which makes it worse. Does that make sense? There's others who have that unique ability. So when they track, when they do doing somebody's trying to please someone, they can still focus on Maslach, do a good. So, for instance. You know, it's you know, a guy might know that this girl a life because he wins the race. Well, one guy, he might be like. Oh, girls here. And I like her. And she'd like to win a race. Go back and win other guys. Just let me let me out whenever there is a focus on the race and they get the girl. So that's some that individuals have to figure out who they are. Know thyself. And if you know you're one that focusing on the girls will make you nervous and not do well, then you need to put things. The strategies in tact, tactics and techniques get in place so that when you're there, you won't focus on that distracting distractions. So distracted mind is a defeated mind. *Ari* [00:10:40] All right. So how do you how do you translate that then to, say, business where you're trying to say you're a you're a I'm not going to say what culture this this family is from, but the parents are saying you've got to be a doctor or a lawyer, you know. Yeah. And so you become a doctor or a lawyer because you're being told constantly your whole life. But you're supposed to be a singer. Yes. You know, let's just say. *Khadevis* [00:13:19] And what was it? Stress? It was me starting to think I've got to do this and I've got work. And the key is that it is all this other stuff. Right. And I realized when I was in Zim, it wasn't just being in Zimbabwe. It was I was there speaking. I was happy. There was chaos. How do you ask? How do you go to college there? What do you do? Yes. And I was like. And people asked my running and going to get your master's degree and all this stuff. And I was just in there and it was just everything. But when I wasn't there, nothing about all these bills and I got to work on this time, I need to recruit these at least. And if they say no and Hommel pay dad and I need to get up this time it up. You know, that's not to say there's bad things. It's just to say that I recognize that some of the things I'm doing that I was doing. That's what I was him to do, because it comes natural, energized, and I'm excited about it. I mean, it's easy. Enemy is always great. Sometimes you get there. Sometimes things don't work out the way you want to put it, for the most part. I feel at home. *Ari* [00:19:42] And I kind of start bringing back the idea of master apprentice in turn. You know, because I feel like we've we've gotten to a place in society where we're all in school and we're kind of being told school, school, school, school. But the real learning happens when you're sitting next to somebody who's been there and done it for the last 20 or 30 years and is a master at what they do and can just take you by their, you know, collars, so to speak, and show you exactly what it is to do that particular job. And then maybe you find a different master to apprentice with and then a different one and you learn multiple modalities of mastery in that particular art. *Ari* [00:20:31] You know, you're a coach. *Ari* [00:20:35] But you've had many coaches, not just all right. *Ari* [00:20:39] And so you've been able to learn from those multiple coaches and kind of work with them as a master apprentice, almost. *Khadevis* [00:27:38] How did you do that. And now I can tell, you know a bit what I do. You two can do how. Right. Because it's a book called 40 Tales of the Afterlife. And it talks about what happens to us after we supposedly die. And what I'm saying is that when you die, you don't ask to die, Lee. You actually go to like a weight room and you stay there until the last person mentions your name or last breath and remembers you. So some people stayed there for like 20 years because maybe their grandkids were the last one to remember them. And then once they grandkid, daddy, they face others. They're a little longer. Maybe they you know, they own account if they had a statue in the college and the casket tore down. Others are there for a period of time because they labidi in a book nearby. He's reading the book, been around. So one of the ways we can live on is by helping others. I had him keep. Quote, Not you, not me. I keep it to me by doing my life's work. We live on when we got. *Ari* [00:28:43] Yeah. You know, one of the reasons I love talking to is because I recognize so many of the books that you've read by the words that you use. So I recognize when you say something that Jim Roen said, you know, it's a it's a familiarity that that kind of keeps us connected a little bit because some of those people that you've studied, I've studied and we get to share in that memory of of those people. *Khadevis* [00:35:45] The younger generation now is a quote. They said the learners will inherit the earth when they learn it will find themselves beautifully equipped for a world that no longer exists. These younger generation, my sons will eight years of his life. Barack Obama was president. These kids have come up in a different world. It ain't so crazy for them to see a black person successful, a Jewish person, a white Hispanic, a woman, a gay, whatever that is. So while we're sitting here fighting all these changes they like they don't want to be dealing with this race stuff. They don't want to deal with this police stuff. They want to move on. They got free and you see right there right now. Kellyanne Conway and her her husband's daughter and a daughter going back and forth. And listen, I've looked by what I'm trying to say is the younger generation, they got friends. They look different, Anita. They got France and different religions. And they live in this world where he got tick tock it, Instagram, a tough day. They trying to get past the stuff that we've been fighting and going through for the last 20 years. They couldn't stop that a long time ago. We don't want to deal with this stuff. Right. And to me, that's what's needed is needed for us to be real. And understand that if we're going to make it better for the people, that's coming up, this will change with us without this. You've been to Germany before. *Resources and Links* * *https://CreateANewTomorrow.com* * *https://www.facebook.com/arigronich* * *https://khadevis.com/* * *https://www.facebook.com/Khadevisr* *Full Transcription* *Ari&Khadevis2.mp3* *Ari* [00:00:02] Has it occurred to you that the systems we live by are not designed to get results? We pay for procedures instead of outcomes, focusing on emergencies rather than preventing disease and living a healthy lifestyle. *Ari* [00:00:13] For over 25 years, I've taken care of Olympians, Paralympians, A-list actors and Fortune 1000 companies. If I did not get results. They did not get results. I realized that while powerful people who controlled the system want to keep the status quo. If I were to educate the masses, you would demand change. So I'm taking the gloves off and going after the systems as they are. Join me on my mission to create a new tomorrow as a chat with industry experts. Elite athletes thought leaders and government officials about how we activate our vision for a better world. We may agree and we may disagree, but I'm not backing down. *Ari* [00:00:51] I'm Ari Gronich and this is. Create a new tomorrow podcast. *Ari* [00:01:03] Welcome back to part two of this interview, if you missed the part one. Head back to the previous episode before you listen to this one. Now, we'll dove right into the conversation from the moment that we left off. Thanks again and welcome back. *Ari* [00:01:18] So what's the biggest impact that you're wanting to make in the next half of your life? *Ari* [00:01:25] You do a lot of charity work and stuff like that, but I know you have. A heart to create a massive impact. I saw that you would never be doing that. *Khadevis* [00:01:38] Not running. No. *Ari* [00:01:39] If you were up. *Khadevis* [00:01:41] Well, you know, to be quite honest with you, I had gotten to a point where I didn't even know I was still being what I call super healthy even now, which is important. But, you know, for me, it's like that's the way I do my caffeine. And I don't. I didn't even use I didn't do caffeine much when I was competing. And even though I was younger, when I started coaching, I started like no more caffeine. We actually 6 o'clock practices. I have to go all through a day like I'm married, have kids. And so for me, I just like, you know what, you know, some guy to give us an example was Steve Harvey. This one's which really resonated with me. He was harmed by smoke a cigar. I don't I don't do cigars and smoking, but he would tell about smoking cigars. And people say, why do you smoke cigars? I hope it's the opposite. Listen to what I say. Listen to me. I go to work at 5:00 in the morning. *Khadevis* [00:02:28] Sometimes I work all day. He said, I'm not out. Waiting outside. I got one wife. I don't got three or four wives. I'm not doing all this crazy. I don't use drugs. I rarely drink. I take care of my wife. I take my kid to go my house. I'm human, right. Some got a giggle. This cigar is my wimpy. You know, a lot of guys, a lot of girls before they go home at the word go by the bar to happy hour. Some people go to Vegas. Some people gamble. People do all sorts of stuff like I don't do those things. I take this garb and this is how relaxing. So for me, one of the things I do, you not only don't leave practicing, go to the board to happy hour. You know, again, I'm not a big gambler. I really don't drink at all those types of things. You know, my family. I mean, we are you know, I take care of that. I do this. So my thing is little soda. It can be worse. It could be. Give me a shot of him. I'm not doing it, though. You know, ice cream. It could be worse. Could be frightening. I ain't going it. So that's my thing. But to get back to your point on what I'm trying to do, the second half of my my life, you know, it's a movie called Hugo. It's a Muco Hugo in a movie, the boy talks about there's no extra ports in the world. And what that means is everything that's in the world, from our scan to the grass to the sky, to the oxygen, to the animals, to the water. *Khadevis* [00:03:56] Everything's here for a reason and a purpose. Everything, their hair, your skin, your teeth, the saliva on your tongue. Everything that's in the universe, the earth. Everything here just cap materials here for a reason and a purpose. There are no extra points and says he realizes this. We know that there are no extra points when you build and when you make a watch, you don't put the extra part on the watch when you make shoes. You don't put extra effort when you make a car. You don't put someone up for no reason. Everything you put on him is for a reason. There's no extra points. So he said, I refuse to believe him. An extra point. Meaning I'm here on Earth for a reason. I'm not just some partners on Earth just to be for no for no reason. That's what I believe. I believe that I'm here on the universe effort for peace. So there are two major moments in a person's life. What the moment you were born and to the moment you realized why you was born. And for me, what I realized was how the world to a kid from the south side of Fort Worth, Texas, my mom. *Khadevis* [00:05:02] You know, a lot of drinking when I was younger come from slum's the hood make every mistakes in the book is wild as you can get as tough and mean as you can get all those things? How do I how did I go from that to, you know, having a master's degree traveling around the world, speaking of being in Africa, speaking at colleges? You know, Mary Masuo cause me to always say how. Beth Esser is what I want to share with others, because it lets others know that there's nothing inherently special about me. There's nothing inherently special about Tom Brady. Now, there's some special. But is it inherently meaning It is not like, you know, God gave us some just totally different air. Yeah. Maybe a little stronger here, but for every little thing, God gave us a little better. He gave someone else some better. Another area. Right. So best my goal my goal is to say, OK, I see a kid. And he and he he can't run. He's like, I'm the I'm the worst in sports. You know what you call something. You might not be the best yet. That's a skill set you can develop in skill sets can be developed. But God and the universe can put you really no reason why the universe put you here, OK? And then do some about it. Don't just say, OK, I'm good at sewing, but then don't. So they don't sonand for nobody. So some short people. And yet Abboud's we might say that's the worst song ever seen in my life. So why you don't get fired is going to say, man, some really good song. And do it for you see, most people don't want do you know how many people told me I would never. Win a race in college, I mean, just pick just random stuff. Do you win a race? *Khadevis* [00:06:51] Oh, you know me to nationals and you make them that or, you know, be all American, but you make all America, you know, your top three. You get top, you never win and you win. And then it just keeps going. They just go, oh, you won't do well and pro. You go to where? You know, at the finals at USA would time you. *Khadevis* [00:07:03] You know, when you're sick, they just keep you can't you can't worry about people. That's what they don't do. Well, whatever gift the universe a guy gave you. You got to go for it. Because what stood out here and getting here, even if you don't make it here, you become better always in the process of trying to get to here. And that's what you see people just going through like me. *Khadevis* [00:07:27] What I mean is they just let life happen to you. *Khadevis* [00:07:32] And it's sad because you look at them, you know, they have a skill set. I know people that I'm like, man listen, if I could see like you can say. I don't feel as if people who didn't sign me for the biggest contract. I must not be seeing it. Why does the caged bird scene? Because it has a song. *Khadevis* [00:07:49] So I'm just gonna be singing. But most people don't live like that. *Ari* [00:07:55] That is awesome. I really like the analogies that you've been using. *Ari* [00:08:01] You know? I found out really early on I was five. I think when I was five, when I did my first massage. 2 bucks for it, too. *Khadevis* [00:08:15] Oh my God. *Ari* [00:08:16] And then I started walking around the party and saying, two bucks for a massage. *Khadevis* [00:08:23] You already knew. *Ari* [00:08:24] I didn't have any feelings of doubt about. Yeah, just I'm five. I two dollars. That's better than allowance. *Ari* [00:08:31] I'm going to make some money. Let's go do some of that. And then along the lines, you know, we we build up our immunity to the praises of our own skill sets. *Ari* [00:08:44] And, you know, I was a great athlete, but I was not never. *Ari* [00:08:50] A bad ass elite athlete. But I was a great athlete. I had an 80 mile an hour fastball in Little League. *Ari* [00:08:57] But I couldn't do anything. If I had a bunch of audience watching me. You know, I had that I'm trying to please too much. *Khadevis* [00:09:09] Yeah. Yeah. *Ari* [00:09:10] And, you know, the thing is, if you're trying to please somebody else in any way, shape or form, you're diminishing a slight amount of your own ability and capability and performance. *Khadevis* [00:09:27] If you're that type of person. What I mean. So. Exactly. See if I'm ghitis example. So there some of us. When we're doing something. Once we go into trying to please or some someone else, the focus is not on the doing. But some outside factor, which makes it worse. Does that make sense? There's others who have that unique ability. So when they track, when they do doing somebody's trying to please someone, they can still focus on Maslach, do a good. So, for instance. You know, it's you know, a guy might know that this girl a life because he wins the race. Well, one guy, he might be like. Oh, girls here. And I like her. And she'd like to win a race. Go back and win other guys. Just let me let me out whenever there is a focus on the race and they get the girl. So that's some that individuals have to figure out who they are. Know thyself. And if you know you're one that focusing on the girls will make you nervous and not do well, then you need to put things. The strategies in tact, tactics and techniques get in place so that when you're there, you won't focus on that distracting distractions. So distracted mind is a defeated mind. *Ari* [00:10:40] All right. So how do you how do you translate that then to, say, business where you're trying to say you're a you're a I'm not going to say what culture this this family is from, but the parents are saying you've got to be a doctor or a lawyer, you know. Yeah. And so you become a doctor or a lawyer because you're being told constantly your whole life. But you're supposed to be a singer. Yes. You know, let's just say. *Ari* [00:11:07] So how do you translate to life? Find out who you are. It sounds like a really good and easy thing to do. What kind of skills and techniques do you recommend for somebody to find out who they are and why they're on this planet? *Khadevis* [00:11:24] Well, for one, you're going to whenever you're doing what you what you're supposed to be doing is in the sense you're going to feel at home, you're going to feel at ease. *Khadevis* [00:11:33] You're going to be easy. You're going to feel like you belong. You are a lot of atley say when I walk in the court. I just feel like on because this is this day you're home. You hear actors say, when I get in front that calm. I just feel worse. Can if I can relate. Now let me in from the carpet. You get my point. So my point is, when you're in those environments where you feel like you belong. And then secondly, with your friends and family, people kind of tell you maybe they might mean you'll be a good man. You good? You know, they keep telling you this. That's the universe talking to you, this God talking to you. *Khadevis* [00:12:06] We think that God stopped talking to us because he didn't. He or she can do it from a burning bush and scream out that it. Come on, man. Like, you know. You know, God. Whispers Man. I mean, we've got to be we've got to be listening, right. We got to be listeners. So the way you find that is by really being in tune with yourself and really, you know, taking heat on what you really like doing. I give an example. So I went to last summer with the Zimbabwe and I was there for two weeks. You know, we'd heard all this crazy about Zimbabwe. All this is false. It's a great place. Loving would have been there now if I could. But so I went there and I want to do places that would speak in working with people doing all this stuff. Two weeks. I mean, just two weeks the whole night. Loved, like I loved. OK. So I got back. We landed and you know it, Columbus and I got off the plane and I'm a bag of stuff and I'm standing out there waiting for my pickup. And I started this feeling right. And I remember thinking, like, what you what is this like? You know, what is this Nessel? I felt this in about. *Khadevis* [00:13:13] Three weeks, I felt this sense right before I left to go to Zimbabwe. *Khadevis* [00:13:19] And what was it? Stress? It was me starting to think I've got to do this and I've got work. And the key is that it is all this other stuff. Right. And I realized when I was in Zim, it wasn't just being in Zimbabwe. It was I was there speaking. I was happy. There was chaos. How do you ask? How do you go to college there? What do you do? Yes. And I was like. And people asked my running and going to get your master's degree and all this stuff. And I was just in there and it was just everything. But when I wasn't there, nothing about all these bills and I got to work on this time, I need to recruit these at least. And if they say no and Hommel pay dad and I need to get up this time it up. You know, that's not to say there's bad things. It's just to say that I recognize that some of the things I'm doing that I was doing. That's what I was him to do, because it comes natural, energized, and I'm excited about it. I mean, it's easy. Enemy is always great. Sometimes you get there. Sometimes things don't work out the way you want to put it, for the most part. I feel at home. *Ari* [00:14:25] That's that's awesome, awesome way of putting it. I definitely have that when I'm speaking onstage. *Ari* [00:14:33] It's not easy, but it's home. *Ari* [00:14:37] Consulting people, when I'm working on people's bodies and, you know, figuring out how to fix that rare condition that somebody might come in with, you know, it's. That's not what stresses me out. It's all the things that are taking me away from my purpose, you know, and. And those are the things that that cause more stress. Yeah. Translate that into into life like, say, business. *Ari* [00:15:11] If you're a solo perner versus a corporation with a big team, you know. *Ari* [00:15:17] How do you find a team to take on the duties that you're not necessarily. Mental. Right. So that you can do more of what you're meant for. *Khadevis* [00:15:30] So it's two things I want to I want to go back to what you said before. The question was about your parents want you to do a certain thing which you now want to stress. That's my knowing myself. You know, I have a I know people who have parents within the marrison person and they don't want to think about this. So you marry this person that you don't really want to marry. Your parents are happy you're not. What good is that? Why would you why would you be in a situation where they not want you happy? And if they don't, then you got to think about that. And if they do what they want for marriage is person. So saying what a job is like. Yeah, you get it. They want you to be successful and all those types of things. But you make you more successful when you're happy. You know, when you when you're doing some special, you know, you're at your heart. So I wanted to go back on and you just asked another question. You said solo for Nora. How are you? So so what people have to do is none of us know as much as all of us. None of us know as much as all of us. So that's the first thing. The second thing is we have to learn. I was talking to someone. I mentor people. I do some life design, coaching, I guess you call it. And I told the girl, you've got to duplicate yourself. You have to get it because you can't be everywhere at the same time. And if you're only getting paid by your efforts and your sweat equity, you're your direct salary equity, then you're limited on what you can do and what you can get. So you have to duplicate yourself, mean that you have to go at training others to be able to do what you can do. Right. And if you do that, that makes quite a bit a little bit easier for us. Those things are concern. And then, like I say to you, if you I call it partnering with positive, powerful people. So finding others to partner with. Again, I'm an amateur on the Bible. But when you when you partner with others and you guys are on the same accord, you know, it says, you know, it talks about the Tower of babble. And it's like these people start to try to build this wall up to having a God or whatever. So God, God looks back, God looks down or up or whatever. We always say down. *Khadevis* [00:17:40] Have you ever thought about that. *Ari* [00:17:42] We assume heaven up here, right? *Ari* [00:17:44] We in the sky. Yes. *Khadevis* [00:17:47] But think about this. It's like this, right? It's a it's a it's a circle. *Ari* [00:17:54] And depends on who you ask. *Khadevis* [00:17:56] What, what? *Khadevis* [00:17:57] Yeah, yeah. But either way. But either way, even even if it wasn't, my point is this, you know, this whole story. *Khadevis* [00:18:05] I just want to say that Australia is now here. It's so up. It's actually down in a lot anyway. So anyway, guy, let's down say that the people look at them. They can do it. They need to do this. And then God says. If they're all speaking the same language on the same accord. Doing the same work. There's nothing they can accomplish. *Khadevis* [00:18:30] I mean, this is what this is what is in the book. No matter what you can do, it can be. You can read in Hebrew really well, it says in the book. *Khadevis* [00:18:38] All the spiritual books hint to that that people, a group of people get together speaking the same language don't mean all speak English or Spanish or whatever it means. They all got the same goal speaking. We all want to win a championship. We all want to start this business. Speak the same language, same go. Working together, they can accomplish anything. So that's what you've got to start realizing. What hinders us is that we want. We want to like I don't mean to pry the same. It is. I'm trying to coach somebody. I think Friday comes with a little bit better, this president right here and a certain little phase out. I don't get maybe don't do as good. I will not always have my hand in that. Right. But at some point, if we want to if we want to increase our sphere of influence, we're going to have to be comfortable with knowing that there are certain things they're good at. They may not be as good here, but in order for me to be able to influence and effect more people, I have to bring more people in. *Ari* [00:19:34] Right. *Ari* [00:19:34] So, you know, my my next book is called Tribal Living in a Modern World. And it's the corporate culture revolution. *Ari* [00:19:42] And I kind of start bringing back the idea of master apprentice in turn. You know, because I feel like we've we've gotten to a place in society where we're all in school and we're kind of being told school, school, school, school. But the real learning happens when you're sitting next to somebody who's been there and done it for the last 20 or 30 years and is a master at what they do and can just take you by their, you know, collars, so to speak, and show you exactly what it is to do that particular job. And then maybe you find a different master to apprentice with and then a different one and you learn multiple modalities of mastery in that particular art. *Ari* [00:20:31] You know, you're a coach. *Ari* [00:20:35] But you've had many coaches, not just all right. *Ari* [00:20:39] And so you've been able to learn from those multiple coaches and kind of work with them as a master apprentice, almost. *Ari* [00:20:53] So how do we how do we get back to that in society in general so that, you know, because for businesses there's always mastermind's and mentorships and things like that. *Ari* [00:21:04] But getting somebody to actually say, yes, I want to have a master or a mentor or a, you know, apprentice relationship that way. *Khadevis* [00:21:16] Well, the good ones will they are successfully occludes successfully. Failure does, too. You go out. I do this. This is one of my speaking out and I say. Tell me someone successfully, Tom Brady or Warren Buffett. *Khadevis* [00:21:30] You know, Elon Musk or. Oh. I don't care. The industry using. And asking, do they have a mentor? And ninety nine point ninety nine percent of them say yes. That's a clue. If you're talking about the best of the best in any and every field in the entire world, no matter what. And they all say they got mentors is a clue. Now, if you find a whole bunch of failures and then let them, but they don't have means, so they could be a clue, too. So my point is. *Khadevis* [00:22:00] Sometimes in life. So I would talk to my friend as a Navy SEAL. He said Navy SEALs are not necessarily may. They are identified or found. What does that mean? Well, when you're going through Burzum, you go through that training, when you go to hell, week it. That's how often everybody everybody's heard. Everyone's tired. Everyone's sleeping sleepy. It's just rough. And so what they're trying to do. Well, the individual had that mindset. They're going to say, this is stupid. This is crazy. Why are we doing this? Why we. You know, why am I getting in trouble for this? Why do I have to, you know, all these things? And for others, they just keep plugging. So what happens is there's a certain mindset that one has to have to be that Navy SEAL. OK, well, the same would be massively successful. Success is relative. But what I'm trying to say is, do the ones who are going to be really good. They have that mindset. They are. They'll be open to that in a song that, you know, I always say this. If you if you're coachable, trainable and teachable, I can make you unstoppable. *Khadevis* [00:23:15] If you're coachable, trainable and teachable. I can make you unstoppable and might. I can I can help you be successful. What I can't do is help you want to be successful. You've got to want it. And that's the thing. Some people, they think they want it. They say, I want to. I want a million dollars. You said, OK, well, meet me tomorrow morning at four a.m. It's OK. Either tomorrow morning at 4am. In the next day, you sell them. See tomorrow for you, they come in there for a minute. See you tomorrow for him. Go ahead. Hold on, man. I mean, I'm gonna be at this forum. So every day. Every day. For how long? As long as it takes. You said you want to make this man not less. So people want the success, you know. They want that. They want the finish line without the journey. And so that's what happens. We have to be real with ourselves. So if I say I want to be whatever, I find someone who's doing it. And I asked him, what does it take? I have to be asking myself to say, do I really want it that bad? And if the answer is yes, they plug away in the fastest, no. That's fine. Just don't waste your time always. *Khadevis* [00:24:19] Nobody else is that if by some that you are passionate about, but you're willing to get up at 4:00 a.m. every day and do what if what if you meet somebody and they appear or think that they have no passion for anything, they just or a nine to five work on the assembly line kind of person and maybe some hobbies on the weekends, but usually just doing chores live in that, you know, good ol American life. *Khadevis* [00:24:48] That's fine. Sometimes for some people, the best. That does it for them. It isn't wrong with that. You don't you know, I don't judge. My personal belief is that they just haven't found what really sparked Staab. But some individual, you know, might expand. They can never go back to its original form. Right. So once, you know, once you know, this is kind of like, man, you know what? You might know it. Right? Once I realized. Once I realized that. The universe, God put me here for a reason like I cannot not realize that, you see, I'm sad. Like, once you help somebody say, man, are you mad? Like the work you've done on me. It gave me a new lease for life. I can run every day. I'm happy. I'm happiest when I'm running. Man, I just don't know. I was getting depressed because I couldn't run. I was in pain all the time. I want to be in medicine once you know that. It's hard to just not do that. And notice people at the knees that you see. *Khadevis* [00:25:46] I'm saying every day you're gonna be like, my God, you have people saying you don't do that, you don't do missiles. But what you're doing at work no more. Come on, man. You really you know, it is hard to just play not just golf because, you know, you like you can really help people lives and doing it. And I think that's how some of us saw it. *Khadevis* [00:26:01] Others maybe they haven't had that experience yet. And it's fine. It's fine. You're allowed to live your life in any way you want to. But I'll say this. Amy Goggins says some that gave me chills. He talks about at the end of his journey, we call life. We go when we die. I go wherever we go. And so I'll be somebody there. God, somebody else. There would have been a pamphlet. It has almost everything we've done on here, everything we've done and everything we're supposed to do. And he said he won't. Look, Acel, you graduate from college. Check that marriage. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you weren't exactly our list type of stuff. Say his goal is not for that guy to be going like you did what you like. *Khadevis* [00:26:45] Yeah. Made you lose you lost 100 pounds. You could have lost 200. You say you don't want had it. He said he went to God, look at him and be like David Guy. Look. He loves the one hundred pounds. Check. He got married. Check. Navy SEAL check. You did this check. *Khadevis* [00:27:04] Goggins, this right here. Even I didn't see that coming. That's what you say. So that gave me till like I want to I want to do so much in his word and people be like. *Khadevis* [00:27:17] We've seen me run and live, but they go on like this, though, I beat him in high school. He got a master's degree. I'm in college. This guy's in Africa. I mean, my what? So I want to. How in the world. How the. What are you doing? How do you train. How do you want to know how they do. We need you to go to college. *Khadevis* [00:27:38] How did you do that. And now I can tell, you know a bit what I do. You two can do how. Right. Because it's a book called 40 Tales of the Afterlife. And it talks about what happens to us after we supposedly die. And what I'm saying is that when you die, you don't ask to die, Lee. You actually go to like a weight room and you stay there until the last person mentions your name or last breath and remembers you. So some people stayed there for like 20 years because maybe their grandkids were the last one to remember them. And then once they grandkid, daddy, they face others. They're a little longer. Maybe they you know, they own account if they had a statue in the college and the casket tore down. Others are there for a period of time because they labidi in a book nearby. He's reading the book, been around. So one of the ways we can live on is by helping others. I had him keep. Quote, Not you, not me. I keep it to me by doing my life's work. We live on when we got. *Ari* [00:28:43] Yeah. You know, one of the reasons I love talking to is because I recognize so many of the books that you've read by the words that you use. So I recognize when you say something that Jim Roen said, you know, it's a it's a familiarity that that kind of keeps us connected a little bit because some of those people that you've studied, I've studied and we get to share in that memory of of those people. *Ari* [00:29:14] And so I quite enjoy that particular that that think. So, you know, tell me something. You're you started a new charity. *Khadevis* [00:29:24] Yeah. *Ari* [00:29:26] What's it called? *Khadevis* [00:29:27] The Reading and running initiative. *Ari* [00:29:29] What's it do? *Khadevis* [00:29:31] OK, since lay it shows, you know, Will Smith said this, Will Smith said. If you get on a treadmill and you run long enough of what's going to come in your head and say, man, why are you doing this? You need to slow down. You need to stop. And so if you run long enough. My name's Trevor. Any running that Western on top of your head. And if you can defeat that once you've got it made because it's the same. What it tells you is quit or stop when you don't even think challenger. And so to me, he also said that reading any problem we have, any issue we have in life, someone else's head. And they've written about how to overcome it or secede from it. So to me, the reading and writing initiatives, those are two ways in which we can instantly. Or fag. Hundred percent change our lives. And I thought about it more, so I went to Zimbabwe because some individuals might say, well, they don't have the resources, but you don't need you don't need much to run. Like, you don't have to have a stadium. Not that you can go barefoot, you can run anywhere. So the running point is dead end and reading. Now we have technology for us, Internet and all those types of things. So you can do one of the other. It's going to it's going to really help you. So the purpose is, is to identify individuals, organizations that that maybe are not functioning at their highest level and show them how that they show you how to function at your highest level, no matter who you are, no matter what organization you were, even if you hate running through the relay, running the initiative. There certain there's certain fundamentals that we all can get to those. Those are two basic things that's been going on. It's the beginning of time since we first learned how to write a writing talk. The reading, reading and writing has always been that I was first in the mode of getting from point A to point B. *Ari* [00:31:18] So tell us tell the audience, what book or books are you currently reading? *Ari* [00:31:25] What authors are you currently enjoying? And a couple of things that you've learned from that. The book that you're reading now or. *Ari* [00:31:36] One that you've read recently *Khadevis* [00:31:38] There is a book called Be steel and Get Going. *Khadevis* [00:31:42] And it talks about this. And you said it's kind of it's a Jewish book as a Jewish rabbi book. And it talks about take leave. And I smile because I just love these concepts. And it talks about how. We all had to leave our comfort, our place of home somewhere else. All the greats, all of the greats. Moses, Jesus, you name no matter who they are. A lot. *Khadevis* [00:32:07] They left their comfortable spot. They left their home town or whatever it is, because think about it. Jesus wanted to leave people tumbi Jews to say like man rheumy. He was indictment's man. Don't give me that, you know. So it's kind of hard for people at your home town, even though your whole life to see you as this remarkable person continually. You can leave to come back, but until you leave is hope it can happen. But it's hard. So that book talks about take leave. Talk about going somewhere. Because what happens is when you go somewhere else, people go see you to filtered eyes. They can't see you with new eyes and you could become what you need to become. So that's one book. It's another me. It's gonna be so surprised people talk about all the time. It's how the 50 block, you know, everybody knows the 48 laws of power. Robert Green. *Khadevis* [00:32:49] But the fifty, a law he got with 50 Cent and they wrote a book. And there I relate to that because, you know, if he'd still uses a lot of examples and analogies from, like real life situations. And the first law, one of the first laws is be an intense realist, see the world for what it truly is matter. You can do that because most of us don't see to it for what it truly is. We see it for how we want it to be. We we see it for how we hope it to be, how we wish it to be. We need to see the wolf, what is right now. So prime example, you know, we can sit back and complain, you know, we can make excuses. We can wish it another way. We can want to know that's fine. But the best thing you do is see the world for what it really is. Says who was global. The world has become global. It's become Internet, a booming competitive. Now, that's where I that women are going to be more in the workplace and they're going to be not going to come on and be promoted. It's happening. Whether you want that to happen or not. There's more women in college. It's more women. Work is coming. No more women will be out there. You must get women from the Middle East that's getting more freedoms. They can do stuff and they can drop Cosmopolis from from what I'm trying to say is I like that book. I like that statement that says, I mean, being a tense realist, because even right now, I think people being real. But what's truly going to get the Political Pop, get relief, really get out and just see the world for what it really is and how you fit in in that whole equation. And if we can do that, you know, you can't see yourself in the frame. You can't see yourself in the frame. You've got to connect. You know, you've got to partner with powerful, positive people. Right. And by doing that, you're able. To see yourself a little better in the frame. And so for me, those those two books are every so well, I so make a name. But those two are the ones I like to relay to people because it's like because they're real. See, a lot of times on these podcasts. I have a podcast. I do. And I try to be. We stayed. We stayed a very typical politically correct stuff like say, oh, what was you thinking when, you know, this president did this? Well, I'm just saying don't mean anything. Now, just like really I didn't really know I was trying to beat that person. You know, people asked me in two thousand eight. And we will get ready to die and try to make the team. It appeared that I had reached that grab. Lopez was the front of my important bed and he was like a man. Well, you know, people say, you trying to run and you try to pull back. Let's do it. I'm trying to get across the line and make the Olympic team. So I didn't cause any harm. A ton of cause we think grab he's got as low pay as pulling back. No, that could have been Jesus or whomever. It could been bolder. I've been trying to just get across the line. See, nobody wants to be real about what's going on and how they stand things in a life. And that's what that's what people need. *Khadevis* [00:35:45] The younger generation now is a quote. They said the learners will inherit the earth when they learn it will find themselves beautifully equipped for a world that no longer exists. These younger generation, my sons will eight years of his life. Barack Obama was president. These kids have come up in a different world. It ain't so crazy for them to see a black person successful, a Jewish person, a white Hispanic, a woman, a gay, whatever that is. So while we're sitting here fighting all these changes they like they don't want to be dealing with this race stuff. They don't want to deal with this police stuff. They want to move on. They got free and you see right there right now. Kellyanne Conway and her her husband's daughter and a daughter going back and forth. And listen, I've looked by what I'm trying to say is the younger generation, they got friends. They look different, Anita. They got France and different religions. And they live in this world where he got tick tock it, Instagram, a tough day. They trying to get past the stuff that we've been fighting and going through for the last 20 years. They couldn't stop that a long time ago. We don't want to deal with this stuff. Right. And to me, that's what's needed is needed for us to be real. And understand that if we're going to make it better for the people, that's coming up, this will change with us without this. You've been to Germany before. *Ari* [00:37:06] Yes. *Khadevis* [00:37:07] Germans. You know, it's like they like stuff like this on time. *Ari* [00:37:12] Very structured. *Khadevis* [00:37:13] Very structured. The plainly the way I was leaving this home boy where you can be run up a swivel. Twelve clock, 30 seconds later. Close the door. I'll leave it. I had a.. Right. So I always say for us that train is going whether we own it or not. So it's better for us to have something for us to get older and understand. I don't mean my life. It is like this was going on in the world. *Ari* [00:37:34] Thank you so much for listening to part two of this interview. Stay tuned for the next episode when we resume this conversation right from where we left off. *Ari* [00:37:43] Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. If you'd like to take this information further and are interested in joining a community of like minded people who are all passionate about activating their vision for a better world, go to the Web site, createanewtomorrow.com and find out how you can be part of making a bigger difference. *Khadevis* [00:38:05] You have a gift for you. Just for checking it out. And look forward to seeing you take the leap. And joining our private paid mastermind community. Until then, see you on the next episode.

Dr. Franchell HamiltonShe recognized that many of her patients needed a more personalized plan to help them maintain their weight loss goals. By addressing the mental, behavioral, medical, and environmental factors that kept them from a meaningful transformation, her patients began to regain control in these areas.Ari Gronich: Hey everyone, welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host or Ari Gronich and today I have with me Dr. Franchell Hamilton. She is a bariatric surgeon with not only several years of medical and surgical training, but chemistry psychology as well, who's now kind of grown a little tired of the system, as it is, and is looking to help support patients in a more holistic way. So I want I wanted to have her on here because she truly is part of who's making medicine, good for tomorrow, helping them activate their vision for a better world through medicine. So wanted to bring her on Dr. Franchell, thank you so much for coming on. Franchell Hamilton: Thank you. Thank you for having me. Ari Gronich: Absolutely. Why don't you tell us a little bit about your background? And what made you go from traditional medicine towards some more holistic approach?Franchell Hamilton: Sure. So I was traditionally trained MD, medicine, went through residency, general surgery, and then I did extra training and bariatric or weight loss surgery, and was in private practice for about 10 years. And it wasn't until I was in private practice, actually, kind of with my own patients doing the things the way I want it. To do that I started realizing the system that I've been trained all this time wasn't really effective. And I have three clinics, right. So we had a pretty large practice. We're in a big Metropolitan Dallas Fort Worth area. And I was probably one of the top geriatric surgeons as far as volume, what I started noticing probably about seven years in actually, that I was doing a lot more revision surgeries, which means they've already had a bariatric surgery, gastric bypass, sleeve, lap band, whatever it is, and they were coming back to get a revision surgery. And I noticed that several years in the practice changed from doing predominantly first time, weight loss, whatever, surgery, medication wellness, I do a lot of things in my clinic that I saw a lot of repeat customers that regained. And I had to ask myself, what am I doing here, like I did all the checkboxes that I was taught to do. All the patients had to go see a nutritionist, they had to go see a psychologist, they had to get their heart checked out. They did all the checkboxes that was required by insurance. And that was required from my training. But patients weren't getting better. They were requiring revisions. And even the ones that were doing just the medical weight loss, they just weren't progressing the way I thought they should be. And I didn't go into medicine just to be busy. Just to be a busy surgeon, I actually wanted to make a difference. I have a heart for people with a lot of medical problems and complicated obesity. And I really wanted them to not just treat their medical problems, but to resolve them. I wanted them to go away. And I felt like in that moment, we I wasn't doing the right thing for them. So I really had to kind of rethink what I was doing revamp and I actually got more education and almost like what we call Eastern medicine or holistic medicine during those years because I was getting burned out with traditional medicine because I felt like I was not helping my patients because they didn't get better. Like I was trained bariatric surgery will not only help them lose weight, but their diabetes and hypertension, cholesterol, all this stuff will resolve. Right. And it did for a brief moment in time. And then the majority of patients were regaining. So that was my turning point for me.Ari Gronich: Awesome. Thank you so much for that and your dedication in general to wanting to find the best results for your patients. Because we all know that that's not happening so much in the industry right now. And one of the questions I wanted to ask you is what's been your, you know, the pushback from the system or from your colleagues, and so forth? Or what's been the adaptation from them where they've said, Oh, yeah, I've seen this too. And I also want to do what's best. So how can I get on board with what you're doing? So how have you seen on both sides of that?Franchell Hamilton: So, believe it or not, I felt like and still feel like I'm almost like a sore thumb in my industry because I will tell you, especially in the surgical industry, a lot of us are them. They're not there yet. Like they just they operate the and to be honest, I don't even know if it's their fault, like we were trained as a surgeon, we see a problem, we fix the problem or take out the problem. And then we move on to the next thing before I started my own private practice, I was with a group that was very much like that I was employed. And I immediately got out of that, because I was like, this is definitely not the way I want to practice medicine. And the only way that I felt like I can even come close was by starting my own practice. So that's kind of how I ended up in my own private practice. But I will tell you, in my own private practice, it was a struggle, like, I felt like I got pushback from all sides, I got pushback from the insurance companies, I got pushback from a lot of my own colleagues, when I surgical colleagues, when I brought up the idea that patients have to do other things to help them with their weight, diabetes, when I talked about positive affirmations, or maybe including meditation or yoga, I got pushed back all the way around to the point where I had said, almost like leave those I'm not a part of a lot of those organizations. And from the insurance standpoint, they did not pay for any of the more holistic things that I wanted to do that I saw worked, I saw this work. And I even wrote a letter saying this is medical necessity, I think they need this, this and this. And it was denied left and right. And I often found patients were almost mad at me or my office because we couldn't get this approved. And I'm like insurance companies will pay for their blood pressure medication. But if I want it to treat their blood pressure in another way that I know would actually benefit them by helping them reduce stress, change their environment, whatever the case, I got pushback, I wasn't paid, the insurance company didn't pay. And a lot of my surgical colleagues thought I was actually kind of crazy. So I literally had to shut everything down and almost start over the way I felt like with my own vision, the way I felt like things that should be it almost gave me an aha moment. On the way healthcare was practice, like everything it was it was almost like a brief down moment for me, because I've been in this system for so long. And I didn't even recognize this was happening until my patients weren't progressing. And then if I was in fight with the insurance to get stuff covered, I felt like my voice really wasn't being heard. On the other side, some of my medical colleagues, medical non-surgical, were very open to that idea. So I had to shift almost to the more holistic or integrative community, where they got it, lifestyle medicine, doctors, integrative medicine, functional medicine, meditation therapist, yoga therapist, so I almost shifted into that community. And that's kind of where I felt more welcomed, because in my traditionally trained community, a lot of us, some of us are jumping over, but a lot of us are still with the typical mindset when it comes to how we should treat health care.Ari Gronich: Right. So, you know, part of this show has always been a lot about the health care industry, because that's where I started. And, you know, I know from my own medical history, having a brain tumor that I was told, I'd be basically gaining weight until I was dead. And I was 342 pounds at one point where I'm just going okay, so I went on to a cleanse, I went on to another cleanse after that I did a 40 day fast, and I did a 10-day water fast. I mean, it was like one after another of just Something's got to give. And but, you know, misdiagnosed and mistreated my entire childhood. It's kind of why I'm in the business to begin with. What I what I saw was that results never seemed to matter. It was procedures and the incentive system is to do more procedures rather than to actually get the good results for the patients. And so, one of this is like the audience here. A lot of them obviously hear me a lot, but to the people that are in what they would say mainstream, I'm considered maybe woo woo because I don't have a doctor degree other than my doctor of metaphysics, right. So, I would be discredited, you know, because of that. So, you're a medical doctor who's in this industry, right? And so how do we get that system to start shifting itself to more of a results-oriented system?Franchell Hamilton: Yeah, and I'm glad you mentioned that because one of the reasons I got into, particularly obesity medicine was because of the labels like I was labeled as a kid, I didn't have the best childhood. And I had all this kind of like negative labels slapped on me. And so, when I got into medicine, I knew I wanted to be in a field, where people felt like either they were defeated, or they're, you know what I'm saying they just have this negative connotation. So that's what drew me to obesity medicine in general, because there's all this negativity around it, that most of it is not true, which a lot of it I also felt growing up. And so I want it to be that kind of voice for my patients and be that advocate truly be that advocate. And that's one of the things when I got into medicine, where over time, I felt like I'm not advocating for them, kind of like what you were saying. It's a procedural driven society. I mean, we can talk about what happened in COVID, when elective surgeries got shut down, like there's so much stuff in the hospitals that got shut down, I think the way to change it is to do stuff like what you're already doing, talking to more people getting the word out what me and you are both doing try to promote, I still have my practice, it's completely changed now. But a lot of my work now is to get the word out on the way this healthcare system is having practiced in it for a decade before my eyes were open. And realizing like this is not the way it needs to be practiced. There are actually several communities of physicians now who also believe this, which is helpful, we are partnering with a lot of people like you like yoga therapists, like other people who years ago, they're just like, oh, they don't know what they're talking about. Yes, they do, because they're also seeing results. So it's a matter of like getting the word out there that these other modalities exist. And I think it has to be a combination of patients, patients now are also getting frustrated with their results, they're getting frustrated, for paying these high insurance premiums, and not having anything covered, and not getting the treatments that they feel like are going to resolve their medical problems. So I think it took everybody being frustrated and wanting to make a change in the system it's starting. And I think it's just the combination of us getting the word out joining together and getting a change in this area.Ari Gronich: Yeah, so one of my questions, then is being that you're in the unique position that you're in, of being in that medical side, and now bridging the gaps. You know, to the western side, my question would be, how do we get some of those organizations that are individual like IFM, FMU, a forum, right? Those are all individual organizations to kind of come together and literally create the next kind of healthcare system. Because, you know, the way I look at it, the battle that we've been having has been about who pays the insurance company bills, right? Whether it's the government paying or whether it's the insurance paying, it's still who's paying, but there's been no talk about how do we make the system more effective so that people are healthier so that it costs us less money in general? And so that's kind of one of the conversations I like to have is, how do we come together in a way that honors and respects all aspects of medicine, minus, of course, the fraud and deceit and all that shit. But that honors the risk and respects all the good that medicine is mixed with all the good that the holistic side has to offer, and come and create a new system that just is outperforming the old system.Franchell Hamilton: I agree. And that's a loaded question. Because as you and I both know, that's going to take a lot. That's going to take a lot of manpower. On all ends, physicians, support staff like you other health care workers like you and patients to kind of come in and say we want this change, I can tell you, I have stayed one of the reasons I've stayed with my foot in medicine, like clinical practice is so I can help dictate and start being the change. There's so many other opportunities, I've had to completely leave medicine and kind of and maybe at some point, I will do that. But right now, I am trying to bridge the gap. There are several people that are trying to bridge the gap with their patients and these organizations. So I sit on a lot of committees on a lot of these organizations that do not see it this way. yet. One of the reasons I started They'll stay on these committees. So I can almost be a voice inside that committee to help create the change that I think is needed. I'm, I still sit on my Council Committee for American College of Surgeons and so I'm over all of North Texas as a bariatric surgeon, I represent that one of the reasons I still stay there is so I can voice some of the changes that need to be made, I think it's going to take people higher up honestly, in these organizations to say something, and then to start kind of weaving, which we already had, we met each other. I've met several people who are on the same playing field, but I would have never met until I kind of started this whole thing. I think there needs to be a movement. That's what I'm talking about on my podcast and shows. That's what you're talking about. There's a lot a lot of us that are talking about it and we need to all come together, believe it or not, we are making some headwing. CMS which is Medicare, Medicaid, they the government insurance is considering at least looking at functional and integrative medicine, as far as coverage, which is huge. I know, it doesn't seem like a lot. But that is a huge thing that in general, we've been trying to push just like coverage for bariatric surgery, right? Like there's a lot of issues with that. There's a lot of these like grass roots going on in these organizations. I'm part of AMA, which is an American Medical Association. We're trying to in these organizations, I know there are several of them. And yes, we need to come together more, but we're trying to get stuff passed. So integrative and functional medicine has gotten a bill to Congress saying this is what needs to happen in order to help treat patients better, they've actually looked at it and are considering approving it. Once Medicare and Medicaid approves the coverage of functional and integrative medicine, which is currently not approved, that will be a ripple effect, and all other insurances will follow. So I think it's steps like that that's like big, it's hard for like the lay person to see it who's not working. And it takes years, it takes years. Like it took about six years for even that to get to Congress, you know what I'm saying? It just takes a long time for this stuff to happen.Ari Gronich: So because it takes a long time, when it's us industry, people that are not lobbyists? What is the thing that we can do with our patients? Like what are what are the things that patients can do to accelerate it within their groups? Because I'll tell you, I look at all of the Facebook groups and you know, people, some complaining and some promoting and some other things, but all of them is like it's disconnected. And it's what I would consider to be frantic, complaining or gathering to complain instead of collaborating to succeed. So, my question is both for the patients and the physicians who are starting to work with their holistic counterparts, right? How can they combine together to create more power in that movement.Franchell Hamilton:  So I think in kind of what we're doing, and this has also already started, where we're forming networks, right, and networks among our area, or region. And I think from a patient standpoint, they need to complain to their insurance company for coverage, which a lot of my patients when I was accepting insurance and alert or accept it, but when I was accepting insurance, I was like, you need to talk to your insurance and ask to get a coverage, believe it or not, when you're an insurance physician or practitioner of any sort, there are several people that's not a physician that takes insurance, there's only so much that we can do, believe it or not, insurance don't want to pay us but as the patient and I'm a patient too, you're paying into the system. So the patient has more power when it comes to their insurance than the physician or the provider does. So those complaints need to be directed towards their insurance companies demanding coverage or demand to leave. There's so many other options out there. If everybody pulled away from the insurance companies and just decided to that that's not that's not working from them, they have to make changes, right. This is what happened and financial infant structures. You almost like wherever the money is going. So in my community, we've formed networks with everybody massage therapist, physical therapist, nutritionist where you can either do like a subscription, which a lot of people are doing now, and you pay into this network, a subscription and it will cover whatever visits almost like an insurance But you're cutting out the insurance, you're cutting out the middleman, this is getting provided directly to whatever group that you're with, or you because a lot of us physicians, we just want to treat the patient, most providers just want to treat the patient. And so we will make something that's reasonable, and that they can afford a lot. And I can speak on physicians, and a lot of these holistic practices are no longer or don't accept insurance, and they're doing their own models, but we have to network and collaborate. Because if I can't offer something, I need to be able to refer that patient to other services that are in our cash pay, holistic integrative network that they can go see. And a lot of patients, believe it or not, are leaving insurance companies and only getting what they need in the event of traumatic or event. Yeah, exactly. And they're paying the doctors and the providers that are providing care for a lot cheaper than paying these high premiums in these high deductibles. So I think that's what needs to be done all over. And that movement has already started.Ari Gronich: That's awesome to hear. I'm so glad to hear that that is going on. And we'll have to make sure that people know how to connect into networks like that, when they listen to the show, so we'll have links and stuff for that as well. So here is a, an off the cuff. Right? So let's say you're not taking insurance, right? I'm taking insurance, you're not taking insurance, you're getting results, I'm not getting results. Alright, so we're just taking a scenario that I think happens quite a lot. So we're going in for weight loss, counseling, weight loss care, right? How much is the difference in cost for say, bariatric surgery compared to a functional medicine approach? And, you know, an average cost, right? So a bariatric surgery costs, how much and then the average approach for functional medicine costs How much?Franchell Hamilton: Well, in the other question, I guess we have to ask is the results, right? So okay. So the first part, so average bariatric surgery probably costs about 20 grand between the hospital and the doctor. And usually the doctor's offices provide all the pre care and a lot of the post care. So about $20,000 functional medicine, typical subscription cost, cost about 100 and 100 to 150 a month. And so let's say 13,000, right? Are there I'm sorry, yeah, sorry, 13 100 a month. So 1300 for the year versus $20,000, for bariatric surgery. So that's a huge cost difference.Ari Gronich: Okay, so now we're going to go to vote who results on both sides. Since you were talking earlier about how many people come back, let's just do that how many people come back after bariatric surgery versus how many people do average, see come back, meeting more care or knowledge or whatever, after going through a functional medicine program.Franchell Hamilton: So with the functional medicine program, it's kind of ongoing, which it's a lot of support. And so people may not come back because they have recurrence of their disease, it's more just maintenance, right? So that's a little so we're not adding money into the system, because we're not treating anything per se anymore. We're just maintenance, right? So that taking into account, my bariatric patient population. For me, I felt like it was at least 50% that needed a revision, which is high considering the cost of a bariatric surgery. So I felt like there was a piece missing there.Ari Gronich: So, is the cost of the revision about the same as the cost of the original?Franchell Hamilton: No, it's significantly higher, significantly higher, because it's more complicated. Anytime you have to go and this is not this is all surgery. Anytime you have to do a revision, your complications increase dramatically. And so the length of stay in the hospital increases dramatically. Like your postdoc, potential complications are higher, like everything is more expensive in a revision surgery.Ari Gronich: Okay. Cost of ongoing care for functional medicine since there really isn't any revisions. But what's the ongoing cost? Oh, it's just the 13. Franchell Hamilton: Yes, your monthly fee. Yeah. Ari Gronich: So on top of the monthly fee, for instance, whatever that is, so they're, you know, they're all programs are different costs, right. So then there's obviously supplement costs, food cost, so people are freaking out. Let's gonna cost me so much money to get healthy. So let's talk about those costs a little bit, how they go high and how they go low, comparatively to what other people are doing. So in bariatric surgery, typically there's medicine medications that they're taking, which have a cost, right? What's the average cost of the medications of maintenance for somebody who's going through the surgical route.Franchell Hamilton: So bariatric surgery, you have to have supplements, they all have to have supplements. And there are specific variadic supplements that most bariatric surgeons or nutritionist, or baria-nutritions provide in the office because that's what the ASMBS, the people kind of write the rules say they need this supplement. And so there's an approval process. And so those supplements are usually about $60 a month for your basic supplements, let alone if you actually have some deficiencies, and then you start adding on and those supplements can range up to 60 to $100 additional a month, not to mention before surgery, there's protein drinks and supplements that you have to do. And after surgery for the first six to eight weeks, there's also protein supplements that people have to stay on to make sure they're getting all the protein that they need. And let me also mention to stay healthy. There are certain foods the bariatric patients have to eat, they eat less, but almost the same healthy foods to stay healthy that people in a maintenance program will need. So that's the bariatric cost, functional medicine cost. They don't have some way, if you don't have bariatric surgery, you don't necessarily have some of the deficiencies that bariatric patients get. So you don't necessarily need all of the supplements. Some people do, right? But very extra patients require us because of the way we rerouted you, you are 100% going to have these deficiencies because of the way the surgery was made. Other functional medicine patients that didn't have the surgery may or may not have those deficiencies, but everybody should be on a basic supplemental regimen that could cost anywhere from 40 to $60 a month. Ari Gronich: So what's the cost of obesity without any intervention at all? Do you know about those what those numbers are the statistics for those numbers.Franchell Hamilton: So because obesity, so let me tell you what obesity cost big picture, because they've looked at different sectors. So obesity caused, apparently 40% of less workdays, obesity in general, because you're obese, you have all of these other chronic problems that come about that people don't even realize that they will get you're sicker. So COVID, for example. I mean, there's so many studies showing obesity alone is reason why there was high death and high hospitalizations with a ventilator. Okay, so outside of that, though, people your immune system is down, you have more missed workdays, or missed work days, which is costing the economy money, you have a higher propensity for diabetes, and all of those medications, hypertension, high cholesterol, depression, anxiety, we don't even care enough to get into the emotional and mental side of what obesity can cause. So overall, they were in this was probably several years ago, when that I saw these numbers, the cost of obesity was taking up about 56% of our total healthcare, that's just for obesity, because of all of the other sub-quella that it has with obesity and this, I use that number because that's the number I used back in the day to try to get bariatric surgery covered because it wasn't covered as readily. It's better, but we still have coverage issues. Ari Gronich: Alright, so, I want to do the numbers because I want people to kind of grasp the gravity, not just of the obesity, just of the cost of bad results, right? You think that it's costing you a lot to go into a physician, a doctor who actually gets the job done? Who is not taking maybe insurance, but is really about caring for you and your patients? Right? And then you go, but I can't afford you. I have to go to where the insurances and then you have to go to 15 people, you have streamlet high expenses. I find it fascinating that somebody can go in for an MRI without insurance and it costs $200 and they go in with insurance and it costs 1600 or 2000, or however much they decide to charge because the whole idea of insurance at the very beginning is we all pay into it. Cool, so that they negotiate better rates for us, right so that they are taking care of those kinds of things. And I think that people are in such a cognitive dissonance about what is really happening in the world around them like, well, they wouldn't, you know, choose money over, over my health, right? They wouldn't allow the system of medicine to be about that. And so there's this disbelief, even though we see after we see after we see the evidence that something is shifty is going on, right.Franchell Hamilton: Yeah, yeah, I agree. And just to kind of piggyback on that, a lot of people think that they're there, it's almost like insurance for them as a security blanket of some sort, when it's actually not doing anything for you. I mean, I get it, I was in that boat too, for a while, like, Oh, we have to have just in case just in case, in, we're pouring 1000s of dollars a month into insurance. And over time, it's changed right now, everybody not only has their high monthly premiums, but they have this huge deductible that they have to pay out. So they're paying high monthly premiums. And then when you come see me or whatever, Doctor, you owe me your deductible, so your insurance is not even covering that they don't kick in until after your deductible is met. Even when I had insurance, I got rid of it myself. You're right, that same scenario happened to me, I needed an MRI, because of my neck. And so I was gonna go and pay insurance. And I had to pay my deductible. They're like, Oh, you need to pay a $2500 deductible. And I was like, pin. And then my therapist, my chiropractor, he ordered it. He was like, you know, I just I know a cash place, go pay cash, and don't tell him you have insurance. And I went there those 350. And I'm like, why when I had insurance, I was gonna have to pay $2500 out of pocket with insurance. I go to another place and say no, I don't have insurance. And I paid 350. Like, what is wrong with this picture, we're actually paying more into the system with insurance than without insurance the same way with physicians, my rate to see me is the same rate that insurance charged for a deductible plan. And so they're not only paying me that, that they're paying, they're also paying their monthly fee, you know, so it's, it's crazy.Ari Gronich: Yeah, it's, it's intriguing to me, but it also intrigues me to the level at which I guess our industry just doesn't even pay attention or explain it or talk about it. Because to me, it's so obvious, right? If the only thing you did, as a scientist, as a medical scientist was look at the numbers of diabetes, of rates of autism, of rates of obesity, of rates of heart disease, right? You would say, Well, shit, we have all this new technology. But the results that we're getting are like 10 times worse than we were getting before we had all this technology. So you'd think that there'd be some cognitive awareness of this? So my question is, how do we bring back the cognitive awareness to people in their own profession? I mean, in their own world, so that it's not incumbent on the patients alone, to have to fight for their right to feel good?Franchell Hamilton: Yeah, yeah, I agree. And that was the problem. And I was a part of this, where I was completely clueless. I was completely clueless, because they didn't teach this to me in school. And I don't know if they taught it at the school you went to but believe it or not, in most healthcare, professional fools, they're not talking about this. And why would they talk about this, because, you know, this could potentially bring down insurance companies or whatever, I was just looking while you were talking, the gross domestic product for our first quarter was $22 trillion. And that's for to 2020. It has gone up, but it's gone up every year. And this was my kind of aha moment. So when I was giving you those numbers, this was probably back in 2018, or 19, when it was a little bit less, but it was still in the trillions. And so if you think 56% of OB takes 56% of that obesity takes up this $18 trillion number, how much we are spending because of obesity, and we're not doing anything. I mean, that was kind of my big thing. Like this person just paid $20,000 for the bariatric surgery, and they're back in here two years later, and now it's going to cost them 35 you know, because they have to have an extra hospital stay because now it's more complicated and the insurance are willing to dish this out. But when I requested that they see counseling or therapy or food addicts? You know, they denied that like, this does not make sense to me why as a country are we willing to spend money on stuff that may only band aid the problem, but we're not willing to spend money on things that will actually resolve the problem? I can't answer that, because I was blind to it also, because I didn't see it. And I don't even know what kind of the only reason why it was brought is because I want it better for my patients. Not everybody is like that some people are just happy going to work collecting, they're checking going home. And if that's the mentality, that they we will always have that system where our head is kind of down. And our blinders are on, because they're going to work the collecting their check, regardless of the healthcare profession. And they're not seeing this bigger picture. I think what helped me is because I was in private practice, I wasn't employed. But a lot of this, if you're in a hospital setting, or an employed setting, honestly, in the defensive providers, it's hard to see, because you have a patient who comes in with diabetes, you have 30 minutes to talk about their nutrition, prescribe some type of medication, and your hospital, or your clinic has already scheduled the next patient for you. So they've got to go. And that's all you see. And so awareness has to come from the people that are doing this, but only if they want to, like me and you talking about it can only help hopefully that helps people kind of think twice, especially providers that have been there in those employees conditions where their employer doesn't see this, they may not see this, you know,Ari Gronich: Right, I just, you know, I look back on this last year, and I go, what an amazing amount of opportunity got lost, because we weren't allowed to talk about building your immune system versus treating a disease, right, we weren't allowed to talk about the ways in which we develop a system that is immune to these kinds of things, because we're so healthy, and our healthy immune system takes care of this stuff like, Good, right. And so I'd like what a missed opportunity we had this last year. The positive, I think is that we've gotten the opportunity a little bit to recognize and to start building the numbers for what you were saying a little earlier, which is look at all the medical intervention that did not happen this year. And the deaths by medicine toll, how much that's dropped. And we'll we might if somebody is actually interested in doing this be able to figure out what really is the cost and the toll death toll wise and cost toll of medical intervention that's unnecessary. what's the overages of what we're doing that we should not be doing? And, and so I'm looking forward to seeing if that gets any play in the community, you know?Franchell Hamilton: Yeah, and I think it will. So I and that's one of the things like in my practice, I never did research. And I'm getting physicians, because I'm like, we need the data, the only way that we're going to be able to beat this thing is the data like in bariatric surgery, which is where I was for so many years, we have data on how bariatric surgery causes a decrease in diabetes, a decrease in hypertension, and how this is saving money, how much obesity is costing America and how we treat this right. So we have those numbers. But then that's it, it drops off, it doesn't talk about or show the aftermath, right? We hadn't even and I think part of it is because people don't want to, we did so much to kind of get it approved. And even my own community is not showing the data afterwards. Because once they get the surgery, that's it. There's no prevention, there's no once their diabetes has resolved. And that's what we're missing the boat. And part of that, believe it or not, is insurance, you're healthy, wanna pay for your one wellness visit a year in your lab work, and that's it. And then patients are left having to what do I do now as they're like medical problems and everything else is slowly increasing. We need data on what prevention does in the big picture. But what we do have data on and this is kind of what I'm trying to educate other physicians about is that every medical disease has increased since the beginning of time since 2000. Diabetes has increased, hypertension and cardiovascular disease has increased obesity has increased, yet, we're supposed to have some of the best health care in America. And we have all these technologies and all these great meds that have come out right these $1,000 meds that are treating epilepsy in cancer and heart disease. But yet the incidence is not going down. The incidence is not going down people because we're not doing prevention, because the focus is not on prevention. This is why the incidence is not going down. And I don't understand why anybody else is not seeing this. They do offer grants, which mean one of the companies that I'm working with digital health company, to increase access to kind of ask these questions, I will tell you what the pandemic I think, like you were alluding to help with open eyes, we had way more deaths than we should have, because of the pandemic because people were not healthy. And if we have the best expensive meds that everybody's paying for in the best health care of all these technologies, why do we have so many deaths, we have more deaths than some other underserved countries. So what, like what's going on there? So we need to start focusing on prevention. And I think, as the whole people are starting to see that now, I've seen more of a shift, kind of towards the end of this pandemic than I've seen before. So I think all of us like you like me, all of us who are like advocates of prevention, now is our time to try to make changes, policy changes come together, educate our other so I'm educating as many physicians as I can I host webinars, you know, conferences, I'm speaking at conferences, in order to cut these to get the word out conferences where it normally wasn't spoken about before. I think at this point, we as a medical society, all providers have to look at this and look at what happened this past year, and start scratching our head like something is not right. It shouldn't make everybody open their eyes this past year. Ari Gronich: Yeah, absolutely, I completely agree. Here's goes to the system, but it goes towards the fear side. So, yes, there are a lot of physicians like you who were blinded for a lot of years. But there's also a lot of physicians who have felt threatened. Right. So I'll give two examples. One is just there's approximately 70 plus holistic health practitioners who have been found, murdered, suicide, whatever, in like a very short period of time, it was like in a three year period of time, there was like 70, some odd, holistic health practitioners, many of them working on vaccine stuff, like the research and in vaccines, kind of interesting, because that ended right before COVID. And I didn't actually put that together until just now, but it's just a thing. So that and then the amount of like, we had a gynecologist in Orlando, who I met at a functional medicine training. And she had gotten, basically, her business completely shut down, she had gotten investigated by the AMA, she had gotten shut down by insurance companies, because what they consider to be the standard of care is if you're going into a gynecologist, you have four sessions that you could go in, where you either have to be prescribed a medicine or a procedure, if one of those two things is not done in four sessions, all of a sudden, you're not practicing in the standard of care. And she did that with a lot of her patients, because she was actually treating them holistically for whatever the ailments were that they were having. And so she had to, I mean, lose her entire practice. And so the fear factor, the only way, in my opinion, to alleviate fear is to become bigger than the bully. And the only way to become bigger than the bully is to get loud. And to bring a crowd. That's kind of where I'm looking at what you're wanting to do what I'm wanting to do a little bit. And so I want to talk to you about that. What do you say to those doctors who are doing frontier medicine, that are on the fringes of, of the new frontier? Really, it's frontier medicine for reason. They're doing the things that are getting the results that are currently not in the standard of care,they're afraid. What do you what do we tell them?Franchell Hamilton: So, you know, it's really unfortunate that this is happening. And that has happened to me, I've been under investigation, because I didn't want to practice the way other people were practicing. So I've been through it. And I think one of the things is you have to, from a physician standpoint, data will help you a provider standpoint. So if you can show data that it's working, that will help you in a courtroom, for example, the other thing is, in every provider knows this a consent and making sure your patients understand. So I've gotten sued, and I've gotten investigated, and I've gotten dissolved, like dismissed because I have consents, and I tell them, this is the way we're practicing. And honestly, at this point, I even tell them, if you don't like this practice, you know, there's other people that are practicing other ways. But this is the way we're going to do it in order to get you to your surgery, or in order to get you to your weight loss goal, because this is what I found has worked. And it's not your typical medicine. And so I make sure they all my patients sign a consent. And I have data. So I didn't put it in a research form. But my EMR tracks, right, you can track the bloodwork, you can track the weight, you can track there's so many different ways to track it without doing an official study. And so I didn't do a study. And that's why I'm encouraging my doctors that I kind of talked to, let's all put data together that shows and then publish it. We need to put data together and we need to publish it. And believe it or not, this is the way medicine used to be practiced. You experimented, you experimented. And that's how breakthroughs came. And now stuff is so regulated in the United States. I go to these international conferences, and some of these European countries are so far ahead of us, because it needs to be regulated. Let me not like take that away. But I mean, come on, you know, how do you think polio was discovered the vaccine for polio? I mean, some of these things were through experiments, and as long as you explain to the patient whoever you're treating, this is the way I'm going to do things, you have data showing their cholesterol numbers are going down. Because this I'm treating with tumeric. And I don't want to treat them with a static drug, you know what I'm saying. But I'm still getting the same results as your stat and drug by doing the things that I've, they do yoga twice a week, meditate every day for 10 minutes, and I'm giving them tumeric. And this is their cholesterol numbers, right? That will hold up in any investigation or suit as long as you can keep that data. So that's what I would tell to the doctors who are going through this, or providers, because I've been through it and I had that I had my data, I had consent. And I'm not giving up. If this is something that you're passionate about, then what you need to do is start bringing people in with you grabbing people that you know, that's also practicing this because as he stated, you stated, I mean, we're bigger in numbers. So now, a lot of my colleagues are no longer unfortunately, my surgical colleagues, but they're my colleagues that are practicing very similar to what I do. So guess what, when one of them gets investigated, they're gonna call me or their lawyer can call me as a witness or one of us, and I will write letters on their behalf, I will witness to them on behalf, we are much stronger, like you said, and numbers. That's the only way. I don't even know if we can do it with money, because I know this is completely off the topic, but that whole COVID vaccine thing. There was definitely money involved. I don't Bill Gates, I mean, all of a sudden, you know that some of that stuff seemed a little questionable, to be honest. Um, I there was money involved. We don't A lot of us don't have Bill Gates money, you know what I'm saying? So the only way we can kind of start defeating This is by speaking up, don't feel like don't let investigators, lawyers states, like, close your voice down. Because if you're doing things the right way, they can't do it. I mean, it's frustrating. And it's depressing during the time because I went through it. But if you're doing things the right way, you're getting your consents, you're slogging your data, they can't shut you down. I mean, they can't.Ari Gronich: Yeah, I've never been investigated. But I'm, I'm not a physician. Franchell Hamilton: It's higher among us because, you know, physicians, everybody's like, oh..Ari Gronich: There's more scrutiny, which is part of why I want to talk to that side of medicine, because, you know, I watch Zeedog MD, for instance. And he talks a lot about the moral dilemma that physicians are having, because they're being told to practice in a way that is not equivalent to the reason why they got into business, right, why they got into the industry. And I don't remember the exact term that he calls it the moral, something moral injury, it's moral injury. And knowing that he feels that way, he and I disagree, obviously, on a lot of the vaccine things and what he considers science and what I consider to be clinical evidence are very different. But I like the fact that he's willing to have the conversations and so like, I would want to have a conversation with him. And you. And then maybe Dave Asprey, you know, who knows, like somebody who's completely on the other side of the pie, and has his own science to back up what he's saying. And I'd love to have these kinds of discussions regularly with it, like within view of the world, right, so that people can see the differences, how much more similar they really are than differences, and then how we get to a kind of a consensus for practicing medicine in a way that actually gets the results that we want. Because really, that's at the end of the day, the only thing that matters, right?Franchell Hamilton: Yeah, I agree. And, and to talk about his moral injury, I mean, everybody talks about a kind of in the medical field, burnout, right? Like burnout is all of a sudden, significantly higher than perhaps 20, 30 years ago, you didn't really hear about it that much. I never heard about burnout in med school, like you know, or other people getting burned out. And that is why burnout is so high, because there's this mismatch on what a lot of providers or healthcare workers want to do. And what's happening even in nurses and you've probably talked to some nurses too, like I have worked with so many nurses who are just burnt out. And the reason they're burned out, most nurses are hospital employed, or for some type of facility employed, and that's not what they want it to do. That's not the way they wanted to practice. They truly want to help people. You know what I'm saying? And then you start to see like, we're not getting the results. We're not doing what I wanted to do, and that's where the burnout come, I got burned out because there was this mismatch in what I want it to do and what was happening. And boy did it hit hard. And so that's the reason so many healthcare workers are getting burned out is because we all live in a system where they're saying healthcare is this, and a lot of us are waking up and realizing, but that's not helping, you know. And so if there needs to be a revolution in healthcare, and I'll be the first to talk to whoever will hear me talk about this revolution, because we're not getting the job done. Our medical problems are increasing,and we're not doing anything about them.Ari Gronich: And so for me, I feel like right now we're on a 19, or like an 1890s 1800, steam train. Right, and we're going Chug, chug, chug. And what I'm wanting to see is Ilan Musk's mag train going through the boring tunnels, right? And so bridging the gaps, I'm going to go really far back to where we were at the beginning of that conversation, bridging the gaps between the speed at which change looks like it wants to happen, because of the powers that be, and the possibility of what can happen if we have the movement with a leader that is like an Elan Musk, that is like, somebody who's there going, Okay, we're about to do this thing. Let's go, there's no option no stop in us, you know, like Kennedy saying, we're going to the moon by the end of the decade. There's no question, like, make that happen. Right. So if we were to do that, what do you see the steps are to making that happen faster? If you could, like, if you could imagine a sped-up version of what you thought was gonna happen? And then we could kind of plan that out? What would that look like?Franchell Hamilton: So kind of, like you said, We need somebody who's already well known, already well recognized, to be an ear. And, and to also identify and be on the same page as what this movement is about. And to be honest, I think I think we have a couple candidates. And Amazon, for example, they announced a couple years ago, they're over the way the healthcare is being practiced, and they want it to do their own health care, you model, you know, and so these big corporations, I just saw thing about JP Morgan, they want to do, you need to find these companies, we all need to find these companies who want these big changes and who get it right. And then we need them to help us because they already have the clout, they already have the ear of America, to kind of say, this is what needs to happen. Oprah would be a great person, I'm still working on that, I'm gonna get up, I'm still working on that. So somebody like that, who's like, this is the way we need to change the way healthcare is done. And then she will have this movement of people who was already on board. So I think that's what we need to kind of bridge the gap, somebody who has the power in that can be a listening ear to all of these, our voices to say, and they don't even have to do it, right. There's enough of us on the ground level that can take it where it needs to go. But we need somebody who's going to listen and help kind of drive this force, because right now, you have the providers and all the providers and we're a big force if we work together, but we need somebody bigger, honestly, to be able to kind of compete, because once we do that, and when we do this, we're competing with the big pharma companies. We're competing with insurance companies, we're competing with a lot of Congress and Senate, people who honestly, they all have nice pockets, and they don't want things to change, to be honest. So you have to have somebody who has as much power with the crowd who can come back that because right now we have work competing with pharma, and insurance come billion and trillion dollar companies who likes everything to stand or wraps. If I publish an article or almost like some of those healthcare workers you were talking about, there's people more powerful than us, that can make things disappear. You know, so we need someone or a group of powerful people who understand the way healthcare is who have nothing to lose, and they can compete with those bigger companies. So that's what we need. I'm actively working on getting bigger companies involved when the digital company that I'm working with is talking to Walmart. I just got an email a couple days ago saying JP Morgan is looking for a change. So when we get This is part of the digital health arena, because this is also how we can reach more people, right? So once we see these us on this level need to jump on that, and how do we get at least in the door with their whoever their health and wellness coordinator is right, every major company has one of those, you have to start with that and then maybe move your way up.Ari Gronich: Unfortunately, not every single major company has one of those. You know, that's kind of my part of my bailiwick, like I was 18, starting three of the first corporate wellness programs in the country, because my school backed up to Intel, Nike and Tektronix, in Beaverton, Oregon, and I was like, Oh, well, we need to bring people to our clinic. So let's just bring our clinic to them. I've done a lot of corporate wellness programs, a lot of consulting with companies. And unfortunately, the majority still do not have a corporate wellness program, what they have what they consider to be that is, they have a health fair twice a year, or they have a few booths with vendors, and then they give flu shots. And maybe they have an on-call psychologist, you know, where you call in to psychology department or something. But yeah, the creating a complete culture of wellness and accompany is definitely one of my bailiwick's that I wish I had more companies that would say, yes, easily to that possibility. But I do agree that the company's you know, here's the thing, following the money are the companies tied to the insurance companies in any way other than that, and typically they are through investment. And because the investment is from the insurance companies, it's really hard for them to do anything that's really going to get their employees well, so they could do a lot of treatment stuff, a lot of educational stuff, not a lot of policies in place to make it happen. And that's definitely an area where I would like to see shifted and changed. You know, we were talking a little bit earlier, you said, you know how burnout is I remember going into good Samaritan Hospital back in the late 90s, and early 2000s. And they still were on 30 something hour shifts. So they, you know, if you got a surgery at the 28th hour, and it was a 15 hour surgery, you were on for 40 something hours, I mean, some of the most unhealthy people I ever met. And it was a shame, because there's some of the kindest, most loving, giving people, get treated really poorly. And so that's part of the thing is, if we made the system a little bit better, and people were less sick, then the health care workers would have less moral injury, because they'd be doing the thing that they signed up for. And people would be treating them? Well, because they're not the what I would call the sounding board for the administration, for the insurance companies, they're, you know, like, the physicians, the providers have been the sounding board for all the complaints of their patients instead of who's really at fault, or who's really, you know, at cause. So let's, let's wrap up with, I want some positives in this as well, as far as like, I want, you know, things that the audience can do immediately if, especially if they're physicians, but if they're not, that they could do immediately to shift the way that they're getting health care. And some of those behaviors and mindset more to prevention versus, you know, reaction.Franchell Hamilton: Yeah. And, you know, I'll piggyback to and I'll make sure I answer that, because we are kind of like this digital health company that I'm working with. And I have a couple of investments in a couple of them. And there have been some leeway on that area, because a lot of them want kind of digital health. And they have the way we're pitching it to them. Kind of like what I started earlier is if your employees are healthier, they can give you more work days, they don't have to have as much time off from work they don't have so it's benefits you to kind of implement these wellness programs. And so like I said, we have entered into Walmart which surprisingly their chief health officer is very open to the idea of integrative changes. We're still Working with we're working with them. And then other companies such as share-care, which are kind of in a lot of there are people in there are people making, we're making some leeway. But you're right about the train, right, it's Chugga chugga. But I will say at least it's not stopped, like, we're, we're moving, we're moving along slowly, I think it needs to get implemented much quicker. But because of a lot of the regulations, and the pocket, the insurance has such deep roots with so many companies like you just did it, like they're investing in other companies. And that kind of keeps everything at bay and kind of this vicious cycle. It's gonna take some time, but I think a lot of people's eyes kind of got opened after this pandemic. One of the things for physicians, I would say, in order to shift this mindset, if you feel like remember the reason why you went into medicine, first of all, and if you feel like when you see your patients on a regular basis, they're not improving, you have to consider why what other factors maybe the reasons for them not improving, and honestly, you'll give my information out. But this is kind of one of the things that I do now I help physicians kind of help figure this out, because they're all getting frustrated. And so it's like, let's take a look at how the way your practice is set up. And your assessment as a physician, we need to ask patients more questions, right? Like we I'm over the, what's your chief complaint, family history, medical history? Do you smoke? Like, that's fine, we'll get all that. But we need to truly ask our patients, how are they doing? Like, how are you doing? Like, we need to get a feel of where they are at emotionally, mentally. And to be honest, that takes up a lot of time. So physicians that are employed may not want to do that, then create an assessment that does it create a questionnaire that acts that you'd be surprised if you're seeing diabetic patients. When I switched up my questions the way I asked the questions instead of just prescribing them a regimen. Let's take diabetes, for example. They come in and I'm like, oh, you're diabetic? Here is a med or insulin. And here is your nutrition or diet that you're supposed to be on? I'll see you in two to three weeks, right? You need to start asking, Can they even afford that? To be honest? What do they normally like to eat, you almost need to cater more to the patient and work with them as a partner, not as like a doctor kind of throwing out orders and then you expect them to do it. One of the reasons why our healthcare is not working is because we're putting demands on patients. And then we expect them to do that. And then when they come back the expectations aren't there. And then we were like, Well, why is your numbers not down? or Why didn't you exercise? or Why? And we didn't even ask them? How are they doing? How do can even do what we're asking them to do? That needs to be your question, if you're going to prescribe them some type of treatment plan, and it doesn't even have to be a medication you need to ask your patient, do you think you can do this? What do you think you can do to help bridge the gap? This is my goal for you. And this is where you are. So here are some options as the physician, what are some things that you think you can do for us to help bridge the gap? That needs to be the question you ask not just medical history, here is what the American Heart Association, American Diabetes Association says. And I'll see you in three weeks. So that is what I want to offer to providers in general, nutritionist, therapists, chiropractors, I mean, there's several people, we're all in this trying to defeat this together, show them help them understand they have to understand so many patients don't even understand go to their doctor, and then they don't even know why they're started on this or what medical problem they have. That was always so frustrating for me. Make sure your patient understands what they have. I mean, come on, you know, that's number one, and then make sure they understand what your goal is for them. Right as the physician or provider, what is your goal, and then you guys have to work together to meet in the middle. That's number one. Number two for the patient. Patients need to demand more, you need to demand better. And I have told my patients to like what do you want x? What do you want patient just like the same way physicians need to provide Why did I Why am I in medicine, if it's to collect a check, you're in the wrong field, go to admin. If you're doing patient care, you need to meet in the middle with your patient and for my patients. They're so quick to just go in, get their meds or get their refills and then leave and I'm like you need to demand more. This is your health. This is your body. This is your mind, body soul. What do you want for your mind, body and soul, I always tell my patients health is not absence of disease, you need to be whole healthy whole socially, mentally and in the body. So when you think of you need to think of health that way. And if you feel like you are not getting what you need, you need to start looking for ways to get what you need. So much stuff is done virtually now. So even if your primary care doctor, they provide her meds or whatever, but they're not, but you feel like you're not getting some of the other things that you need. Go online. There's a whole host of integrative you can use integrative medicine, lifestyle, medicine, functional medicine, you can use those terms and find people that you can treat virtually the pandemic has helped people like me treat people all over. So we're not limited now to just I'm not limited to just Dallas Fort Worth, I can treat people all over, you know what I'm saying. And so for patients, if you feel like when you're leaving your physician office, and you're not getting what you want out of that you need to find another physician, you're not married to that physician, and you need to consider if your insurance won't cover it, paying out of pocket long term to pay for your health, your health is an investment, it is the most important investment you will ever make. It is more important than your house, your car, what other people spend on money, your health is more important. So spending an extra 100 or 200 a month is nothing that's groceries or half of groceries for most people, you know what I'm saying? So you need to take time and invest in your health, that's the most important investment. You cannot have joy, peace, happiness, and all these other things that we strive to have or even help others if your health is compromised. So spend the investment. So those were kind of the closing points that I would tell both those patients and physicians.Ari Gronich: One last closing point is what would you say to the system as it is? As it's going away?Franchell Hamilton: That's a good question. Um, I would say that for sure the current system, we, we need to make changes we need what we're doing is not working. And I would be happy to see a transformation in our healthcare system to something that's going to resolve medical problems. So I am happy to see it go away in order to revolutionize healthcare and heal our patients in America. So that's and I feel like our current medical system is actually preventing us from being able to actually heal, not just treat that heal and resolve medical problems and make people truly healthy the definition of health.Ari Gronich: Awesome. Thank you so much for being here. I am so glad to have you on. And I know that the audience has gotten a lot out of this conversation, hopefully enough that they'll start acting upon it. We can all create a new tomorrow and activate our vision for a better world. Thank you so much for being here. I appreciate you having me. Thank you. Got it. Thank you so much. Audience I appreciate you listening in. This is our garage and it&#

hi i am here with paul andrew smith, Paul Smith is one of the world’s leading experts on organizational storytelling. He’s one of Inc. Magazine’s Top 100 Leadership Speakers of 2018, a storytelling coach, and the author of three Amazon #1 bestsellers: Lead with a Story (now in its 11th printing, and published in 7 languages around the world), Sell with a Story, and The 10 Stories Great Leaders Tell; in addition to Parenting with a Story and his newest work, Four Days with Kenny Tedford. He’s a former executive at The Procter & Gamble Company and a consultant with Accenture prior to that. Paul smith 0:00 I realized that you know, if I want to know this that badly, probably other people do as well. And so it stopped being my own little selfish learning journey, and became an idea for a book. And so that that's what led to my first book lead with a story which came out in 2012. And then that led to another and another and another night. My my fifth book just came out a few months ago. And so what I ended up doing was pretty quickly, leaving my corporate career and becoming a full time author and speaker and trainer on the subject of storytelling for leaders or for salespeople. I've got one of my books is on, you know, sell the story for salespeople, when there's one for parents, you know, a couple of them are for for leaders. And so yeah, just led to a radical shift in my career. So So in the last eight years, this is what I've done. Full Time is research and right on the subject of the art and the science of storytelling to help you be more effective at work and then conducting speaking engagements and training workshops on those topics.

JB Braden, Founder of Beyond the Field CoachingIs a certified coach who specializes in working with Entrepreneurs, Corporate Leadership Teams and Business leaders helping you develop superior presentation skills and exceptional leadership skills! Teaching you how to craft a Signature Talk specifically designed to inspire, engage, educate and convert your prospects to clients.Giving you the tools and techniques to master the art of public speaking!Training you to communicate your message more effectively.Helping You "Speak with a Purpose"Giving leaders the tools necessary to develop strong leadership teams.================================================Ari Gronich (0:14):Welcome back to another episode of Create a New Tomorrow, I amyour host Ari Gronich. And today, I have with me another one of the Achieve alpha leaders.Achieve Systems is an organization that I've been part of about 14 years. And today I havewith me JB Braden, he is an inspirational speaker, trainer and speaker coach, he actually forachieved does the speaker trainings helps people get on stages, get their voices out there inthe world. JB I'm gonna let you talk a little bit about your background. But let's just kind ofgo through a little bit, you're a certified life coach, or certified business coach really is lifebusiness, same thing. You work with entrepreneurs, corporate teams, business leaders, inteaching them how to develop superior presentation skills, teaching them how to craft theirsignature presentation, I'd like to talk a little bit about that specifically. And, you know, yourmission here is to impact empower the lives of millions of people, and inspire them to createextraordinary success, teaching them how to think live and lead and win like a champion. SoJB, welcome to the show, let's, let's tell the audience a little bit about your background,because I know you didn't kind of start out the same place that you've ended up and thenwe'll get into like, why achieve, why you, why achieve and some of that stuff. So, take itaway.JB Braden (1:45):Yeah, sure, man. Thank you for having me on. It's always a pleasure toconnect with you and, and see you. So, thank you for that. But a little bit about me, as yousaid, I'm a certified coach, certified, and I specialize in working with leaders, executivesuccess teams. My goal is to create success in people's lives, create success in my life, andto teach people how to create success in their lives. And to do it in a sustainable way. So, Iwork with leadership teams, I work with entrepreneurs, because I'm also a speaker, coach,as you mentioned. And I've been speaking for well over 20 years. And I've been coachingspeaker's half that time. And so, when I met Robert, a few years, about four years ago, wecreated the speak with a purpose workshop, that I use to help people put together trainingfor a speaking for their marketing tool for their business, as well as a signature presentation.So, I do a lot of that. But yeah, that's a little bit about what I love to do what I'm called to do,and a little bit about me, I was born, I was born and raised in Alabama, but I live in Coloradonow. Now, I was raised by a single mom. And she one of the things that she taught megrowing up was, she taught me a couple of things. One of the things that she taught me Ariwas, you know, treat people the way you want to be treated. And that those words shall helpshape my life. And it helped me find my calling and my gift, and my gift and calling to speakinto other people's lives and empower them. And so that's what I do.Ari Gronich (3:29):Nice. So, I like that. Here's my thing about it, right? We always say thatthis golden rule of treat other people the way you want to be treated. But here's the thing.And as a healer, you notice this as somebody who's in business, you hear all the self-talk asa business coach and life coach. People don't treat themselves very well know that, right?Yeah, I don't want to be treated the way I treat myself, the way the right, you know, I wantto be treated the way I treat others, right. So, I think the golden rule needs a little shifting.But I do like the premise of the golden rule, which is that we want to treat people like our kinlike but then I go okay, but kin, you know, family, we don't treat our families very well.James Braden (4:27):Right, right. Yeah. Well, it's so interesting you say that Ari becauseI've actually, you know, that was the basis for a lot of things that I do. And I actually tookthat, that what people call the golden rule and elevate it, you know, so it's not just treatedpeople the way you want to be treated, but treat people the way they want to be treated.You know, and then and it really comes down to this, you know, my mom's you know, treatpeople with respect, you know, and respect is earned, but she also another thing that shetaught me was people are people you know, doesn't matter what color we are, how tall orshort we are, how much money we have, we don't have, you know, we're all people and weall deserve to be treated with respect. And, you know, that's how I live my life. And, youknow, by doing that, you know, I treat people, I take that, like I say that one step further totreat people the way they want to be treated. And the only way you can treat people theway they want to be treated, is you, you have to do something, you have to spend time toget to know them. Okay? That's what am saying, and that was one of the key things is you,we're all individuals, you know, and so get to know a person for who they are. And Iremember being in high school man, and, you know, people would go around me, they'd saystuff about people and say this and say that, and I was always debunking, I'm like, Look,man, I don't know that person. So, I'm not gonna sit here and, and chat with you anythingabout that person. But I would go out of my way to get to know a person for myself, youknow, and that's the challenge that I have for a lot of people get to know people for whothey are, make your own damn opinion. And then, you know, and then you know, how totreat those people treat them the way they want to be treated?Ari Gornich (6:08):Yeah, you know, it's interesting, we definitely, and this goes back tobusiness as well as life in general, relationships in general, is the assumptions that we makeon how a person is or who a person is based on the stories that we've heard of them. And Idon't know about you, I've met a lot of people in my life, that other people might say, thatperson is this or that person is that or this person has this stereotype or, or because of their,you know, color. I mean, I had roommates that are were Palestinian Muslims. I was like, mysister, you know, like my family. And, and I was all you know, you can't be friends with thosepeople. You know, doesn't matter what people they are. Right? can't be friends with thosepeople. I was the guy when I was growing up, that parents said, you can't be friends withhim. He's a bad influence. So, I never, ever wanted to do that to another human being.Right. So, I agree with you like, getting to know somebody. But you know, it's funny. Mybuddy, AJ Ali is a documentary film producer. And he's actually Robert knows him and hewrote a movie, did a movie called Walking Wall Black, Love is the answer. It's a fantasticdocumentary. He's just been shown it to police and homeland security all over the countryto deal with the lack in police, black and blue issues, you know, really is the black and blue.And love is the answer is an acronym. And the first letter is the L right? And what is that Lstands for is learn about your neighbors. Learn about who it is that is next door to you, learnabout the people that you live near. Go and introduce yourself. There used to be a time inthis country, when you moved into a neighborhood and you had five neighbors bringing youbrownie and things and welcoming you to the neighborhood. We don't do that kind of thinganymore. But God, what a what a benefit. It would be if we kept doing that if we chose tolearn about our neighbors and our people.JB Braden (8:36):Yeah, now I agree with you. I think that's the one key that's missing, youknow. Part of my background and speaking as I spoke, I've spoken a lot of high schools,right. And one of the programs that I spoke for, that I do still do some speaking for, but I dida lot of speaking for in the past as an organization called Rachel's challenge, right. RachelScott was the first person killed on the Columbine tragedy. And after she died, her father,they her family discovered that she had a goal to start a chain reaction of kindness. So, hecreated this program to take into schools to challenge the students has challenged thefaculty to start a chain reaction of kindness. Okay, well, you treat people with kindnesswhere you stopped excluding people. And so, I say the reason I bring that up is because it'skind of stems to what you just said, getting to know people, you know, a lot of times likeright now the day we're in a big world of social media right now. Right? And so, but we're abig social media and so, you know, a lot of people they are, all about how many friends do Ihave on Facebook. But I've always said this, and I used to say this to the students that Iwould speak to, social media is great. But it doesn't replace social interaction. Okay, truesocial interaction. And here's what I believe some people may disagree with this. But willyou remember you and I are about the same age. And so, when we're in school, when we'rein school, when we had a beef with someone, we would go to them and we would talk it out.Okay. And sometimes we will come to blows. But then we would hug and we would make up,right?Ari Gronich (10:26):Yeah. Usually, the people who got in the biggest fights became thebest of friends right afterwards. And that was because not only did they confront the issuedirectly, instead of withholding it and bottling it up and all that. But you know, it was like,when you go toe to toe with somebody, you gain a level of respect, regardless of outcome.JB Braden (10:55):You gain a lot of respect. That's correct. And sometimes it works out.Well, you become closer, sometimes you don't. But the bottom line is you dealt with thatissue, as opposed to, as you said, letting it fester. Okay. And then you had those. So, whathappens now is people hide behind social media, okay. And they think that's theirconnection to people. And what has happened in our society, is there's a loss of how peopleshould, people don't know how to really build true connection, connection that lasts alifetime connection that changes, you know, changes people, changes generation,connection that when you're going through something so hard, and so terrible. Becausewe're disconnected these days, it's easier for somebody to pick up a gun, and go blast abunch of people that they don't know. But when they have, I feel like when you have a trueconnection with people, when you have that connection, it can help eliminate that. Becausenow you got some people that you can rely on, because this world is hard man, which is whyI'm calling to do what I do to be able to help empower people and inspire people and pickpeople up and let people know that you'll have to live by yourself. It's struggling to getpeople around you that can help you.Ari Gronich (12:18):It's funny, they did a documentary, I think it was Michael J. Fox, whodid this documentary called happy. And they, they were studying what made people happythroughout the world. And they found that the happiest place on earth was this town, inTibet, in the Himalayas. And they actually don't measure gross domestic product GDP, theydon't measure that they measure Gross National Happiness GNH, how happy their society isas a whole. And that's a measurement that they actually use in order to determine if theirsociety is being successful or not. And they found that, that these societies, this one,especially the biggest difference, and this happens in all the Blue Zones, as well, thecenturion, places where they're living over 100 years old, is that the biggest similarity is notdiet, it's not anything other than connection with other human beings. They are a family,they are a community to the true sense of the word, they take care of each other. Theydon't let somebody fester in depression. If somebody is depressed, they surround them.They don't try to fix them by the way, that's the other thing that they do not do, they do nottry to fix them. They just surround them and let them know that they are the support at anypoint, right? They are. They are the they're the wall. They're the rock. And that's the biggestthing that I think we're missing in this world because, as you said, everybody's on socialmedia, but there's such an anonymity to saying fuck you to somebody on text versus sayingit to their face. There's such an anonymity to destructive behavior that you would never doin person. You can do because why, there's a text box and a screen between you.JB Braden (14:29): Yeah, I think social media gives people a soft, a false sense ofconfidence. They'll say things. They'll say things on social media they wouldn't dare say andother people in front of people's face. You know, I call the keyboard bully is what I call it.Okay. And because I mean, I can remember being in high school if we had something to sayto somebody would say it to their face, and we wouldn't say it, you know, then we'd hash itout. But people now man they just, we got a bunch of keyboard bullies out They, have afalse sense of security and false sense of confidence that I'll say what I want to say. But theywon't say it in front of your face. If you were sitting face to face to him, they wouldn't daresay it, because they don't have the balls to say it, you know, and so nor because it's justdifferent, when you have a human connection, we have such a disconnect in our world now.And a lot of that is because people think they are friends on social media. And that's not the,we've lost the sight of what a true friend is, without looks like.Ari Gronich (15:35): So, let's kind of take this back to a slightly different, different angle.And that angle is going to be, in all of this noise and all of this social media noise and all ofthe things that we have to experience millions and millions and billions and billions andtrillions of bits of data more than our primal history, even 40 years ago, is able tocomprehend I mean, the amount of technology has increased so drastically that we're inliterally adrenal shock, on 100%, daily basis, just in the amount of things that our body andour senses are taking in. So, in all of this noise, and all of this stuff, right? We're gonna go tothat signature presentation, how does somebody step out of that noise and become heardbecome seen? Because to me, I have this saying, a bully's best friend is silence. Silence is abully's best friend. How does one break out of the noise so that they get heard when theyare talking? Because what you've said is true, that people are holding back and notspeaking, at least not in person. But the other part is that when they are speaking, they'renot being heard. They're not being listened to. They're not being seen. And so, in business,and in life, right, we all need that be seen, and you do this signature presentation, which Ibelieve is one of the ways but why don't you talk about this a little bit? How does somebodystep out of the noise?JB Braden (17:27):That's very good question. And when I when I want to teach and talkabout the signature presentation, there's two key components that we look at. And we willmake sure that no matter which clients, we're working with the two key questions that weasked them Ari, and one of them is who's your target audience? Okay. And so first of all, yougot to be clear on who your target audience is, you find the right target audience, you'regoing to be heard. Okay. So that's the first thing. And then the second question that wealways ask is, what's the problem that you solve for your target audience? Right? That's veryimportant. Because if you don't understand the problem, you solve that you can'tcommunicate that problem to your target audience. But you want to talk about being heard.When you get in front of the right audience with the right message, you know, deliveringand communicating the problem that you can solve their problem, whatever the problem orproblems maybe, then you will be heard. Okay. And so that's, that's how you can find yourvoice. That's how you can be heard by speaking to the right audience, and communicatingto them that you can solve their problem. Does that make sense?Ari Gronich (18:46):Yeah, absolutely. The I guess the question becomes, you know, I feellike, let's say, I've been in this industry, 27 years, right. And there's been times when I'vehad a really fantastic booming career with athletes and actors and A list celebrities andpeople who, you know, that was my target market back then I was living in Los Angeles thatwas those were the people that I was looking for, right? And then and then 911 happens,and all the studios shut down. Right. And so, I didn't really know who my target market wasand so nothing that I was saying was getting out to the world. So, I'm kind of, I'm kind ofplaying this, this scenario, so that the audience maybe can get an idea of how it plays out.Once I figured out Okay, my target audience now is gonna be just the athletes. I'm no longergoing to be doing studio work, because the studios are shut down. So where do I go right?And so back then there wasn't really internet, you know, is web TVs and maybe a little AOLand prodigy with some chat rooms. But I'm taking myself, you know, I remember my 486sXcomputer that was this big. Right? I'm here and I'm going okay, so what do I do to get thesepeople? So, my target audience was high end athletes, Olympic guys, right? So, what did Ido? I was living near Muscle Beach. And so, I go down to Venice to Muscle Beach to theGold's Gym. And I could pick two or three athletes out of that place at will, because I knewmy business, and I was going to where my target was, right? so I got heard. And then I went,you know, there was another crisis, right? And, and so I didn't know who my target audiencewas. And then, and then the 2008. And I had at that point, I had just bought a house is amillion-dollar house in LA, right. I'm like, now my house is worth 600,000. All of my clientswho were high end at the time business profile, people, lost their hedge funds, lost theirhouses lost their shirts and all of a sudden, you got to pick up and who's my target audiencenow. So, this is not, what I guess what I'm getting at is one, the stories that might help theaudience get to a place where they, okay, I can re-assess my audience, but also letting themknow, yes, you can. This is a living thing. Right? This isn't static. And so, people, the biggestI think thing I hear when I hear people talking to you, and you tell them to niche down is, butI serve everybody.JB Branden (23:41):Yeah, and I've heard that before. And if you serve, if you serveeverybody, then you wouldn't be struggling for clients. There's no such thing. You know, oneof the things that T Harv Eker says in his millionaire marketing course is, your ideal clients,are clients who are willing to work with you, okay, your ideal clients are not everyone, andquite frankly , when you think about it Ari, you don't want to work with everyone. Okay. Andthen think about you think about Nike, you think about some of the big companies out there,okay. They don't target everyone. But they know who their target market is. They know whotheir demographics is. And that's what they target. Now that does people outside of theirtarget market, purchase their things? Absolutely. But that's not who they go after. And that'llhappen. And so, the people that say that, you know, I target everybody. That's where you'remissing out. Because you when you target everybody, then you're targeting no one. Okay?Because no, we all don't have the same problems. All right. And so how can you get clear onthe problem you solve, when you assume that everybody in the world has that problem thatyou solve, that's not the case. And so, the two go hand in hand, if you think about it, it's notjust the target audience, but it's also the problem that you solve for that target audience.They both go hand in hand. And when you understand that, and you understand both ofthem together, then you understand. You're target audience is not everyone.Ari Gronich (23:41):Right. So, as you know, I'm a solutions guy. And every time I talk toyou, one of the fun things that that I have is that you're a solutions guy, too. You're not,you're like, I don't want to talk about the problem. Let's get to a solution. Let's get to wherewe can fix this. Let's get to the, you know, the meat. And so, I have this new saying that Icame up with recently and it's “I want to stop gathering to complain and start collaboratingto succeed”. Right, that's what we want to do in life. We want to stop gathering to complainand start collaborating to succeed. And one of the things that Achieve Systems does iscollaboration at a scale hardly ever seen in the industry, right? So, we bring together healthprofessionals, fitness professionals, nutrition, I mean speaking coach, visibility, marketing,all these things, we collaborate, right. So, what is the one thing that you found as a benefitto collaboration versus competition and why Achieved Systems kind of excels in that arena?JB Braden (24:56):Oh, wow. The biggest benefit is perspective and experience fromothers and support. Think about this. Most entrepreneurs, they feel like they're out there bythemselves all alone. Okay. And being an entrepreneur being a business owner, it's like aroller coaster ride when you agree. And so when you have a community where you cancollaborate with people, on those times where you're stuck, where you're dealing with fear,where you're dealing with limiting beliefs, when you have when one of the things that what Icall it the surrounding yourself with ass Kickers, right? Okay. So when you have that, whenyou surround yourself with those ass Kickers, those people that you collaborate with, andyou're going through those tough times, is easier to pull yourself out of it, because you gotyou because you have their strength as well as your strength working together, which is howit's meant to be, you know, so for me, the biggest thing about Achieve is having thatcommunity of people that will not let you let yourself down, does not allow that you letyourself down, you know, if it is that you find yourself going a different direction, because aslong as you're in lockstep with the people that achieve, then you will, you will succeedbecause that's what we, we want you to succeed. And so that collaboration is like is like thatforce of energy moving forward. And that's the that's the most important thing, man.Ari Gronich (26:34):Yeah, I want to add to that it's not just the support, because, youknow, there's a lot of mastermind groups, and there's a lot of, you know, inner circles andsupport groups. Right. And I don't really like to think of achieve as a support group forbusiness owners, right. I think of it as a place where you can get the support, yes, you couldget the actual help, not just the advice, not just the support, not just the advice, not just thehelp, but you can actually find partners and people to collaborate with directly to build otherretreats and build products and build other things with I mean, I've had the honor of writingthe foreword for two people or two books, writing a chapter in another book for achievedmembers, right? That's area where I'm supporting them, but also collaborating andpartnering with them. So where are some of the places I know you have? where some of theplaces that you've collaborated? To make a successful exit, so to speak with an achievemember?JB Braden (27:52):Oh, yeah, no, those are good questions. Um, we have a whether it beworking with a group with a mastermind. That's always good. One of the things that I love is,that's a good collaboration is I'm part of the achieve leads group, okay. And I actually call itachieve mastermind group, but we work together, helping each other, cultivate and findleads. And so, that collaboration, is like you said, it's not just about the support, but it's also,what I've learned from it, is the different approaches, the different perspective that peopletake, you know, but also, you meet people that you would never have never met. And that'swhat I love about it, when you collaborate, you can introduce to let's just say, of you and I,and some of the people that I've collaborated with, in achieve, I've had the opportunity toget to know people on their network, and they've had an opportunity to get to know peopleare in my network. So, collaboration, when you collaborate with other people, then you havethe opportunity to also connect other people to collaborate, that's what I found. So, it's likekind of building on it. And so being a being a part of achieves, leads group, I've been able todo that, and have that collaboration with other people, and then connect them with otherpeople, You know, a lot of times we'll be sitting around, say, hey, do you know, you know,anybody good CPA, or do you know anybody that does this? Or does that, whatever the casemay be? Say? Yeah, now I know a couple of people. Let me introduce you. And there you go.And so that's why that collaboration is so powerful.Ari Gronich (29:31):Awesome. So, I don't want to leave out competition, because I dotend to, you know, put competition on a little bit further down the totem pole forcollaboration. I don't want to completely destroy competition, although I do a little bit. Butwhy don't you tell me what in your mind, healthy competition looks like?JB Braden (30:00):Competition in business. That's an interesting. First of all, when itcomes to competition, I think about this first thing I'll think about is being very good at whatyou do. When you're very good at what you do. You spend time making sure that youcontinue to be good at what you do. And then being afraid of competition isn't a thing forme. Okay. It's more of how can I dominate my sector? Okay, how can I dominate my sector?And what I mean by that is, when people when people think about speaking and speakercoaching, I want them to think about me. Okay. And so that's my goal. So, there's not somuch about having competition. Here's what happened. Competition does, it keeps yousharp, it keeps you honest. It keeps you striving to be better. Because think about is if youdon't have competition, would you when you say that if you don't have a competition, youmay become complacent.Ari Gronich (31:12):So that all depends. I'm going take it a different step with you adifferent way. Because I don't believe in competition with anybody else. I don't believe thatI've ever been in competition with another massage therapist, sports therapist, right. But Iam in competition with yesterday's version of me. That is who I'm in competition with everysingle day. Some days I win that competition, and some days I lose it. I'll be honest, right?I'm not in competition with anybody else. for any other reason, or comparison. And anymore, you know, I used to be like, somebody skinnier than me got bigger muscles than megot, you know, higher IQ than me, you got whatever, you know, whatever it is, right? Got abetter more degrees than me. I don't have any degrees. You know, like, everybody gotdegrees. No, I'm not in competition with anybody else anymore. I'm in competition withyesterday's version of me every single day. And I find that the more I look at perspectivethat way. I could go up to somebody who I might have thought was competition in the pastand say, “Hey, I saw that you guys open a gym right next door to my gym? What do you dodifferently than I do? I could send some people your way.” And we could create collaborationbetween the two gyms between the two personal trainers between the two therapistsbetween the two hypnotherapist all that you know, is like, we could create partnerships andcollaboration with the people who are better than us at certain things, and not be incompetition with them specifically, in competition with the previous version of ourselves.And that's something I think Achieve Systems is really designed to help people with is not bein competition with others in our field, but be in competition with our previous version ofourselves with the person who thought I can't do business, I'm too spiritual, I can't acceptmoney for this, or whatever the block whatever the thing is that stopping somebody frombeing that better part of themselves.JB Braden (33:37):I love that. I love the Ari because when you think about it, I've neverlooked at myself. I've never looked at other speakers and speaker coaches as mycompetition. I never have. And so, I love how you put that that I'm in competition withmyself being a better version of myself. And how do you do that you look at the people inyour field, what they're doing. And my approaches this, what are they doing, that I canincorporate to make me better? Is there anything they're doing that I can make me better?That's how I always look at it. I have a lot of speaker friends around the country. And that'sone of the that's one of the things that we've been able to help each other get betterbecause I can look at something that they may do on stage and say, Oh, I like that. I'm goingto try that. Or I'm going to try this version of that, you know, that sort of thing. That's howyou get better. And so I love that you said that because I've never looked at people in myfield other coaches as my competition. I looked at I look at them as my allies. Okay. How canwe learn from each other, make each other better at what we do? And like you said, that'swhat's great about Achieve, okay, because that's one of the things that we love to helppeople Do it's not about you being competition, but it's how can you take what I'm doingincorporated into your business if we're in the same business and make you better, and viceversa? Love that.Ari Gronich (35:13):Yeah. And that goes to the same thing with life. Right? I'm divorcednow, right. But every minute since the time that I've got separated, beyond the trauma,right of the experience, my thoughts have been How can I be a better man? How can I be inbetter relationship? How can I take ownership of every bit of my responsibility in thisdebacle that has occurred? You know, how can I How can I be a better man in a betterrelationship with people. And I spent, I talked about this a lot, but I spent about 300 plushours inside of a mirror. naked, staring at myself, crying, wailing, screaming, stunned andshocked. I mean, in in any emotional state, you could imagine. Until I worked that out ofmyself until I was a better version of me until I had stripped, I call it stripping the layers ofmasks of trauma. Stripping the layers of masks because we have this inauthenticity fromtrauma that stops us from being the best we can be. I'm going to relate this back to youbecause the biggest fear is not fear of snakes. It's not fear of flying. It's not fear of falling.It's fear of speaking. Public speaking.JB Braden (37:04):Yeah, you've heard it said, and that's a huge fear for a lot of peoplefear of speaking, and it's a real thing. And some of my clients have had it. And, you know,we work through it, and allow them to get to the crux of what that fear really is, you know.And then once they get to the crux of what it really is, they can move past it. And so, do alot of work around that. It is a big fear for a lot of people. A lot of a lot of fear around it isunsubstantiated. And it's just it stemmed from a limiting belief, or, another fear, you know,some of them. Some I've heard people say all the time, well, I'm afraid of messing up. Okay,well, how can you eliminate that fear? And then we work on it?Ari Gronich (37:56):That's up a lot. That's how you eliminate the fear. Okay. I messed up.JB Braden (38:01):And here's the thing, you know, and basically, because that was one ofmy fears, plus 20 plus years ago, and then I was like, Well, how can I eliminate that? Well,prepared to the best of my ability. Okay. And that's all you can do.Ari Gronich (38:18):Right? Just a question. Do you still get the butterflies when you go upon stage?JB Braden (38:25):I do. But it's not from fear. Now. It's excitement. I think people thinkthey feel that and I think, because if you think about it, fear and excitement can feel thesame. It's the same energy. And so people ask that all the time and said, Do you get the youget afraid? I said, No, now I just feel excited. You know, so it's a different feeling than achannel because I've done it so much now. And I know how to prepare. I prepare myself tothe point where that fear that fear of messing up has no power. Okay. Is it still there? Yeah,but it has no power because I've taken the power away from that. Now it's just it's just anexcitement of being able to share my message with a group of people.Ari Gronich (39:15):You know, it's funny, I've been speaking 27 years. My grandmotherwas 40 years, head toastmistress in San Diego, was a speaker. My mom is a teacher. Mybrother is a teacher. My dad was a master debater, you know, in the debate clubs and stuff.So being on stage, and I grew up in Hollywood, so I've been acting and in commercials andstuff like that all my life. And what I find to be fascinating is how much I hate being on videohow much I dislike the look of myself on camera, still, how much I dislike looking at thepictures of me on stage or video of me on stage. And then I look at the pictures of theaudience while I'm on stage, right, afterwards or I look at the response that I get, makes allof that dislike of not wanting to be seen not wanting to be heard, not wanting to beacknowledged, because every time growing up I did, it was some kind of trauma you know,some kind of trauma happened, if I got seen, whether it was, you know, physical abuse,sexual abuse, didn't matter, mental abuse, it was, if I got seen, there was trauma. And so, Ididn't want to be seen. So, you know, what's funny is the only way to cure the somatictrauma of not wanting to be seen, is to be seen a lot, and to be seen in a place that's safe.you know, so part of what I love about achieve, and what I love about what you do withachieve, especially in the speaker sector, is that you provide and we provide a safe place tohave different somatic experiences, so that you can get seen often, and have it be such asafe container that you can become comfortable being seen, you can release those traumasthat are embedded in the soma, in the tissues in the memory, because we create that safeplace. So, talk a little bit about why that safe place is so important, especially for seekers,and especially for people who have that trauma of not being worth and not being seen. Andyou know, not being valuable. Because I know you and I feel pretty much the same thateverybody has some amazing value to offer others. It's just a matter of getting them to bewilling to share, right?JB Braden: Exactly. Yeah, that's a good point. And so, for people who, what you said aboutthe safe place is so important. And how do you create that safe place, you make sure you letpeople know It's okay. It's okay to make a mistake, you're not going to be judged. Thisdoesn't define who you are. And so, creating that gives people permission and a lot of times,that's what we need, we just need permission to try that it's okay, if we don't, if it doesn'tturn out the way we think is going to because most of the time it doesn't. So we spent, Ispent a lot of time helping change people's perspective on fear of failure, so to speak, okay,because it's not about failing is about learning the lesson from what you just done, youknow, learning the lesson that you need to learn and you're supposed to learn. And so,creating that safe place for people to do that, it's kind of goes back to think about this kindof goes back to when we were all toddlers starting to walk. Okay, our parents created a safespace for us to continue to fall as we went through that, right. And so, it's the same thinghere, we create a safe place for people to learn to walk in business, so to speak. Right? Witha permission to It's okay, that you're gonna fail at this or you're gonna fail at that. But thegoal is to continue to get up. Always get up, always keep moving forward. And we have thatsafe space. And that support for people to do that. It's so important.Ari Gronich:Yeah, it's so nice that you can get up with somebody pulling you up, instead ofon your own accord. You know, it's so nice that you could have an Achieve, you know, wehave 20 people to put out their hands. Hey, I'm here. You know. That to me, is incredible.One of the things I tell people I tell therapists a lot is, if you're a healer, if you're a therapist,if you're whoever, right, in the healing arts, that your clients will only heal to the level atwhich you've healed. Meaning the level at which your boundaries and your barriers havebeen washed away, have been cleaned up have been cleared. That's to the level at whichyour patients can heal, that's to the level, which if you're a business owner, your businessescan heal. Right? If you're a business coach, because, it's all you know, it's like, it's justhealing, right? it's like, you know, it's not putting band aids on P&L. It's healing the P&L, it'smaking the P&L better, so it doesn't need band aids anymore. So, you know, we look at life alittle bit differently, I think you and I, then then most we're looking at it from this holisticpoint of view. And for the audience, who is listening. Give us some of your perspective, onresilience, in business, in life in general and I guess, resilience with a map, resilience with aplan, because resilience is awesome to have but if you don't have a plan, you're spinningyour wheels. There's no amount of resilience that adds gonna stop you from, you know, like,getting exhausted and falling on your butt on the hamster wheel. Right? So let's talk aboutresilience, but also making a plan that makes that resilience worthwhile.JB Braden:I love that. And the first thing that you said, that's so important is and that andthat aspect is having a plan. Okay? having a plan and knowing where you want to go, okay,what's your purpose? You got to be able to ask answer that question. What's your purpose?What's your Why? Why are you doing what the hell you that you want to do? Okay, what'syour purpose for doing that? And where do you want to go with it? I see a lot of people inbusiness. They don't have that. They don't have that dialed in. They don't know wherethey're going. Okay. And so, then they get dragged all over the place. And they get draggedinto all these different things. And so first of all, having a plan. Here's what I was telling thatguy, I was talking to a friend of mine yesterday, that's so important about having a plan,your plan is not going to be perfect. How many people have you met Ari say, well, as soonas this plan is perfect that I'm going to watch. That's not what that's not the purpose of aplan. A plan is to get you out of the starting blocks. Okay? Jeff also talks about in this book,The slight edge, a plan is never going to fucking be perfect. Okay, get that out of your head.It's just to get you off the damn starting block. Because 10 yards down the road is gonnachange, something's gonna cause a change. Okay, something in the plan is not gonna work,you're gonna have to course correct. And you're gonna have to pivot. And so, part of thesome of the things that you heard me, we were talking earlier, before we started thepodcast about one of the series that I've been working on that I've been was the, you know,the habits, thoughts and actions that cultivates success. Right, and so a couple of thosethings fit into this resilience that you talked about. Okay? And so, I'll give you a couple ofthem. First of all, one of the ones that we talked about, he's got to have a can-do attitude,right? I can do this, have a can-do attitude that builds that depth of resilience, right?embrace, change, embrace change, and be open to change. Because when you're open tochange, then you it's easier for you to course correct. Okay. And also, when you're open tochange, it leads into the other one of be okay, being uncomfortable. Because when you'reuncomfortable, then you're in growth mode, right?Ari Gronich: I don't remember a day in my life that I've ever actually been comfortable. So,I think I've just been constant. But yeah, I don't get the people who say I want to becomfortable.JB Braden: Yeah, me either. Because I get why they say it. But I don't think theyunderstand what they're saying when they say that. Okay. It's not about being comfortable.It's about being the best you. And that doesn't always feel comfortable.Ari Gornich:Right. think what people are wanting when they say comfortability is they'rewanting peace inside of the uncomfortability. They're there wanting the mental state ofbeing that I have the storm, that wizard, right. So, that's a totally different thing than thecomfortability. So that's what I think people are trying for is peace with it. Like, I love whenchaos is happening around me and I'm still calm. That's like, that's the ultimate for me.Place where I know I've arrived at another level, right? I could calm inside of the storm.JB Braden:Right. Yeah. I love that. And then on the other key that's so important tobuilding that resilience, and having that plan. And I mentioned this earlier is to surroundyourself with ass kickers man. Okay, I can't say that enough. Surround yourself with peoplewho are rowing who are doing who are creating success, because success begets success.Right? And you know that, and I know that. But that's so important when you have thatwhen you when you start to put those things together. That's where you build thatresilience. Because one of the things that you said earlier, that's so important is there's a lotof times that we can get up on our own. But those sometimes we get hit so fucking hard thatwe need help getting up off the damn canvas. And that's why you have those as kickersaround you that that can pull help pull you up off the canvas, because the most importantthing is to always get the fuck back up. Right.Ari Gronich:Yes and I just want to because we kind of mentioned it a little bit ago with theTibetans. The other part of that is not trying to fix the person who's down. Right. But we pullthem up by being okay and being comfortable in their uncomfortability and that's kind of thepoint I was making with the therapist and the level of healing is so many therapists get souncomfortable with their patients' pain. That the patient will never heal because thetherapist is so uncomfortable. Right? And so that's the same thing with, like, let's say you'rea speaker, coach, and you're comfortable with everything right. But let's say you had anexperience of trauma. And then you had a speaker student, who was triggering that trauma,specifically, over and over again, every single time they got up to speak in front of you,right? When you're teaching them. What do you do?JB Braden:You got to work through the trauma first, you have to. In order for you to get toa point where you can be the person you need to be for your clients, you got to workthrough some shit so to speak, okay. Because of what you're talking about, that translatesand people pick up on that and you're doing your clients a disservice. If you're still in it, weall have things, okay. But we have to work through those things, okay, order to be better forourselves, so that we can be better for our clients and the people that we're supposed toserve, and the people that we that we live with, and that we love. Okay. And so, the goal isnot to hang on to the trauma. But to find out, what do I need to do to move forward? Andhow can I use this to propel me forward, so to speak?Ari Gronich:Right? What's the lesson? And this is a good question to ask what it's a goodquestion to ask yourself, like, every day, what? What's the lesson in this? Right? So, youknow, I know we kind of jumped around a little bit on my show, because this is all aboutcreating a new tomorrow today. And, and that's not a linear conversation. But the fact thatyou and I are both solution oriented people I want to kind of give an always do this on theend of every show is three tips, tricks, skills, things that people can take away immediatelyto create their new tomorrow today and activate their vision for a better world. So, this time,I want three from you, as JB, the speaking coach, and then I want three from you as JB theAchieve Systems leader, who has something to say to the people in our industry, you knowabout business, so..JB Braden: Okay, all right. Well, it's very interesting, but they're probably the same. Andhere's what I mean by that. It goes back to exactly a couple of things that I've already said.First of all, you need to know your why and everything that you do in life, why the hell areyou doing it? Okay, so you need to understand that, whether it be business, relationships,finances, it doesn't matter. What is your why. And you need to understand that. And here'swhat I say, Well, here's what I tell people all the time. And I learned this from one of mymentors, your why there needs to be an emotional connection to your why or what you do.Okay, that is so strong, that no matter what happens, it's not going to knock you off-course.That's the first thing. understand and know your why, and be connected to your why. That'sthe first thing. The second thing is understanding the importance of taking steps each day.Understand what success looks like. And then one of my favorite books is the Slight Edge byJeff also he talks about this. People think success is this quantum leap, it's not.JB Braden:Is consistent doing the right actions consistently over time. Okay, that's whatsuccess really is. We just we just we look at somebody and we look at their success, and wethink it happened overnight. We don't see the 10,000 hours of Malcolm Gladwell talks aboutan outliers that they put in. We don't see that. okay. But you truly want to be successful. Dothose right actions consistently over time. And here's the thing that I tell people, allow timethe opportunity to do its work. Because the time is the catalyst, a lot of times we give up,and we say, well, this isn't working. It takes time. And some things take more time thanothers, we need to give it time. If you're doing the consistent actions over time, 12 monthsfrom now, 20 months, 24 months from now, and I related to, let's just take it back to health.All right, think about this. If you have a goal to lose weight to get in shape and you're doingthe exercises and the workouts three months from now, if you continue to do that, you'regoing to see a little change. 13 months from now, 24 months from now, how much of achange, you're going to see if you can consistently do that action.Ari Gronich:You mean, I can't go to the gym for five hours today and then not go back andhave a six pack abs in a month? No, Oh my god. Oh, and in here, I was doing it all wrong.JB Braden:Right. But see, that's what people think. You see people with ABS you say, oh,man, that's awesome. Man put a lot of work into that shit. Right? So, it's consistent actionsover time. What are the consistent actions over time that you need to do to create thesuccess in your business and your relationships and your finances? Okay, and it's not justquantum leap. So those are the key things that I that I tell people and business and speakingknow your why understand the consistent actions that you need to do over time and beconsistent doing those things. Okay. And so those are key things.Ari Gronich:Yeah. You know, from that perspective, I have a quick story of a patient that isin Pennsylvania, that I've been working with, I'm in Florida, how do you work with a strokevictim after you know, from online, right, but I've been training him because the nursinghome he's in, frankly, should be shut down and reconfigured, they have no idea what they'redoing in there. They basically have told him that if he comes in that, he probably will neverleave. And he's 52 years old, had a stroke, not like an invalid, you know, he's not an elderlyperson who's not going to be capable. But he's from the Bronx. And he's a PR guy who'sbasically toured with rock bands his whole life. As you know, the stage crew, basically, heruns the whole production for rock bands. And, and so he got to get the personality of a guyfrom Brooklyn who's kind of like that, right? They don't have a slowdown button. They don'thave a can't do button, they have, I'm going to go until I break myself button. And so, I'vebeen telling him slow and steady wins the race over and over and over again, slow andsteady, slow and steady build the foundation first slow and steady. So, it's almost been ayear at the end, at the end of April, beginning of May will have been a year that he's been inthis nursing home, where they told him they'll be for the rest of his life. And I get messagesevery single day just about nowadays, with I just stood up in the shower and without holdingmyself up for the first time. And I didn't need to sit in my wheelchair anymore. And like, I'mgoing to get out of this place. And I walked up a grassy hill that was uneven. And you know,it's like he's doing all this progress. At first, it was no progress at all, that he could see thatno progress at all. No progress at all. No prior months and months of I don't see anyprogress. And then all of a sudden, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Because once you getthat foundation, which is the hardest thing to build, the kitchens easy, the bathroom is easy,the beautiful fixtures are easy once you have the foundation, but if you don't have thefoundation, you'll never have the beautiful structure above. Right? So, this is what I tell him.It sounds like this is kind of the similar thing to what you're saying is so slow and steady bepatient, take your time build your foundation strong and know your why. So, what's yourwhy?JB Braden:Exactly? You're asking me that question? I love it, I love it. My why is to fulfill mydestiny. Okay, my destiny and my calling I know this I learned it a long time ago when I wasa teenager. My why is to empower and inspire people to be their best. I'm called to speakinto other people's lives to be there for other people. Okay. And you know what, know whatthat does for me Ari, in order for me to be there, for other people, I got to be at my best,which means I got to continue growing. Okay, I got to continue being better. Because I'm nogood to anyone else, If I'm not at my best, okay. And so, my best continues to grow. Thatchanges, right? And so, but my why? My true why is to create success in other people'slives. And I do that by creating success in my life. Because I want people to understand thatit's their obligation, it is their duty to create success, because here's the thing that peoplemiss. Here's the thing that people miss, and I learned a long time ago, there are people thatyou haven't even met yet that you're supposed to serve. There are people that you don'teven know yet that they are supposed to learn from you and your life lessons. Okay. Sothat's my why is to make sure people are tapping into their greatness and to beextraordinary, so that they can make the world an extraordinary place, their world anextraordinary place.Ari Gronich:That's awesome. How can people get ahold of you, JB if they want to get aholdof you? And how can they get ahold of Achieve if they're interested in becoming a part ofour family?JB Braden:Oh, good stuff. Well, you can reach out to me at JB@beyondthefieldcoaching,you can go to my website beyondthefieldcoaching.com, those are places you can reach outto me. As far as reaching out to Achieve and learning more about that you can go to ourachieve website which is achieve.com. I think that's right, in there right to achieve.com,achievesystems.com, I knew it did sound right, achievesystems.com that's how you can findout more about Achieve. But you can also contact me and I can connect you with the rightpeople and Achieve as well.Ari Gronich: Awesome. Thank you so much for being on. This has been another episode ofCreate a New Tomorrow. I've had a great time talking to JB Braden, he is a friend andcolleague and absolutely amazing speaking coach, trainer, business person, but really just afriend, mentor and a good person to know he's got a lot of connections. So, if you areneeding anything, you know, feel free to get ahold of him. And you could connect with me aswell if you'd like to learn a little bit more about Achieve Systems, but here is to Creating aNew Tomorrow today activating our vision for a better world. Let's all go out, stop the bulliesstop the silence speak our truth into people so that they too can get inspired. I know for memy why is I have to do this stuff. I don't have really a choice. It's part of the calling that I'mbuilt for. And you know, I'm called as my Why? Why do I do this to wake people up to therealization that we made all this shit up, and we can do better. Andso, let's do better to livetogether collaborate for success. Thank you so much for being here and we'll talk to younext time.

Hi I am Here with Matthew Scarfo. He provide a comprehensive fitness program for his clients that exploits every element of his expertise and 20 years of credentialled experience. Corrective Exercise, Fitness Nutrition, Functional Flexibility & Strength, Strength Training, Weight-Loss, and Lifestyle Modification. here is the Highlights of the episode hope you enjoy. Listen to the full episode in your favorite podcast app. Ari Gronich 0:07 Welcome back to another edition of creative new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. And I have with me Matthew scarfo. He is an endurance athlete, corrective exercise specialist, human movement specialist. He's got 20 plus years in the fitness and health industry, and with an array of certifications and titles behind his name. And so I am really looking forward to this conversation because as you know, this is kind of my bailiwick. This is what I've been doing for 26 years is performance training, helping athletes go from injuries to gold medals. And so that is, you know, I'm just so excited to have this conversation today with Matt. Matt, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself, and how you got into this industry and why it's so important to you. Matthew Scarfo 1:00 Sure, so, my name is Matthew scarfo. I'm a certified personal trainer among a number of other things I got into the fitness industry about 21 years ago, almost as a lost soul. I was a I didn't do very well in school, I dropped out of high school, the only thing I really ever always fell back on was fitness and exercise. And when I was younger, it was more about aesthetics, and strength, as opposed to performance and functionality, though, one day I was working out in my parents basement, and my mother came downstairs and said, Listen, you don't do anything you dropped out of high school. You're really not racking up any points here. So why don't you pursue a career in fitness and personal training, since this is what you love to do? And you do it anyway? Why don't you invest some time and some effort into figuring that out? So I took her advice. I became a personal trainer, shortly thereafter, got my first job as a personal trainer at a local mom and pop a big gym. Ari Gronich 2:01 Nice miles of lunges. Just imagine if you're in the audience, do do 10 lunges, and see how far you are. And then imagine that you've done that for one full mile. And that's, you know, to so many people that is untenable on attainable. conscionable. Right. And so, yeah, it's a lot of unknowns. So where's the mental acuity that comes with pushing your body that far? You know, like, how does, how does, how does that work on a brain. Matthew Scarfo 2:51 So, I'm a firm believer and a practitioner. of if you can run five miles, you can run 50. If you can do 50 lunges, you can do 1000 lunges, so long as that you're not in a physically deleted wrist condition where you're not, quote, unquote, pushing through an injury. As long as you've got healthy joints, healthy muscles, healthy bones, and your energy systems are sufficient to perpetuate that kind of activity. And after you've already run five miles, the energy systems aren't going to shift, you're already aerobic, at that point, you can get enough energy stored in your body to do that for quite a long time. So tire flips, it's very much the same lunges, it's very much the same. If you could do a handful you can do them all. What I'm doing is I'm fulfilling the past that is necessary in order for me to have accomplished, what it is that I'm that I'm looking for now, I had mentioned before, we had gone on there that I had listened to a few conversations that you had, and one of which you had mentioned a book, I believe it was called the science of getting rich. Right. Right. Is that Does that ring a bell? Yeah. And that's, that's, that's an old book, too. That's written by like, oh, two, I Ari Gronich 4:07 think it was originally or 19. Close to like, it was the early 1900s that that book was, was created. And it's the basis for the movie The secret for the entire law of attraction, you know, world that has that has been proliferated in the last probably 10, 15 years. Matthew Scarfo 4:09 sure. And there's so much truth to that book. I it's a short book, the audio books only about an hour, actually. And I remember listening to it on a particular run that I was on. And there's so much truth to everything that is stated in that book. And what I do is I I pick a reality, what's the reality that I want the reality of that I want is I'll give you another example back at the end of May, I decided to run from my house in North Jersey down to Washington DC, so 411 kilometers away. And the only way that I was able to do that, and it took a lot of meditation, it took a lot of praying, I do, most of the time use those two terms interchangeably with all due respect to whoever we gain our conscience from. But I wouldn't have been able to achieve that or any other goal for that matter if I didn't already see myself having accomplished it. And then making that future a certain future by by backfilling in the events that have to occur between now and then. So if I were to quit doing anything that I had set my mind to it, I'm essentially changing a future that I've already believed in. It's Ari Gronich 5:44 pretty fascinating. That the, that's how organizational planners create business plans. That's how operational organizational and operational planning happens. That's reverse engineering of anything really, is, is what you're talking about. But you're taking the next step of future planning, and then backtracking it. And then you're taking that next step, which most people don't do, which is they see the future they want. They believe in the future that they want. They plan for the future that they want. And then they see that plan. And they go, Oh, my God, I don't really want that. Right. So what drew, it's made the difference between making the plan and then doing the actions that are in the plan, and doing them consistently enough that you get the result that you're after. Matthew Scarfo 6:58 I think that it is largely a challenge for everybody. It's not the first mile, that's the hardest, it's, it's getting your shoes on and getting outside. That's, that's often the hardest part. We know. And I and I've got three kids, three young kids, and when they get in one of their moods, or they get frustrated with something that they're doing, I tell them, just find yourself doing what it is that you want to be doing, turn the brain off and just find find yourself outside walking on the street, that'll turn into the run, but you can make that five minutes it takes from getting your shoes on, to walk into the end of the driveway feels like a very painful eternity, if you're dreading it, but rather than dread it make the commitment that that's what you're going to do. And then turn your brain off. You put your shoes on, you find yourself outside and now look at this I'm running. So it's it's not the first step. It's the hardest it's it's getting, it's walking yourself up to the staircase. That's the most difficult part because action creates action. And if you take that first step, you're going to take the second step. Ari Gronich 8:08 I like how detailed that is. And I like how you know the step by step by step. As you know, my background is working with Olympic athletes and and pro athletes and I normally got them post injury and post injury. Anybody who has an injury is trepidatious to do the thing that caused the injury. One of my things was I did a double flip over a car at 45 miles an hour off my motorcycle, literally it was a tuck Pike, gymnastics martial arts kicked in, in the middle of what have I got hit 45 miles an hour t boned. And I literally took pike double flip over the car landed on my feet, unfortunately for me was wearing sandals and shorts, which I don't recommend when you're riding a motorcycle, and and have a I didn't have a broken bone in my body. I didn't have you know, a damaged brain or anything you'd have is Road Rash, massive Road Rash. Other than that, nothing. And one of the first things that I did when I could was I got on my friend's bike, and I started to write it with Olympic athletes. They are ready to get back on the horse but they're trepidatious and their trainers, their coaches, they're there people who are not skilled in multiple modalities Typically they're they're they're pretty narrow focused. And they'll tell them you know, he'll never be as good as he was. So for example, like Kobe Bryant got injured. And Gary Vee, you know, was saying he'll be about 70% we're used to that. It's okay. You know We're used to this in the industry. And I went and I talked to Mitch Kupchak. And I was like, No, he could be about 110% of what he was, if he's trained properly. And all you need to know, like, how much money is gonna cost you for him to be out and how much money is like, that was the conversation I had with him well. And is, is when somebody is injured, or weak, or they feel weak in some way, and they feel like that's going to be something that is going to stop them. And you know, this is goes for me too. I got in a car accident had back to neck surgery and things like that, and I become a little trepidatious. When I don't have proper trainers to work with me, even though I know what to do. You always need a coach, in my opinion, somebody to see the things and you know, that you can't see. And so I become trepidatious, I don't want to work out, I don't want to do push ups, I don't want to do exercises, right? Because I'm going to hurt myself again. So if somebody is listening to this, and they're hearing you say, just walk out the door, just put on your shoes. That is a really good first step, even if you don't actually go outside. If you get the shoes on one day, and then the next day, you open the door and close the door. And then the next day you open the door and you go outside. And then the next day you go and do the walk, you know to the driveway, and then the next day you'd walk down the block. And then the next day you walk a mile, you know, like taking those baby steps is really important. Now, I learned some of this through National Academy of sports medicine, and you've been an ASM grad progressions, equal results, right? If you try to do it all at once you create more injury. So talk a talk to us a little bit about that. And how do you motivate How do you get somebody to have a belief that they can do something when they're injured? And they don't feel like like they can? There's no hope left? Matthew Scarfo 12:23 I'm so glad that you asked me this question. So I myself, I've got a history of injuries as well. Nothing is dramatic, thank goodness, his motorcycle or car accidents. And I'm glad that you're well. But I had a slip and fall about 15 years ago on ice that ended up giving me compression fractures in T six through 10, which turned into general degenerative arthritis, which has depleted the bone mass of each of those vertebrae by 20 to 30%. So I've got stenosis, I've got arthritis, I did not opt to go for that fusion simply because that procedure, they go in from the front. And I was already a father at that point, when we cross the bridge of talking about the surgery, and I wasn't going to let them deflate my lung and move my heart out of the way to get into this thing I said when I'm no longer able to carry my kids, we'll talk about it. But until then I'll suffer my lower back l four l five, the the disc is gone. It looks black on on the MRI l five, this one also gone. I've got characteristic, the sciatica running down both my legs, it's always there. And I'm always managing pain as well. But one thing that I've coached my clients with, and I practice this is and I tell them this all the time. It's not a problem unless it's a problem. So if you anticipate it being a problem, I guess to go back to what we had spoken about before your future casting that this thing is going to interrupt you in some way. But rather, when we've got an injury, and everybody's got something, whether it's a shoulder, wrist and elbow and knee or hip, whatever, Ari Gronich 14:03 we got to end this on. Fortunately, I could I could probably talk to you for another 10 hours. But I have another another interview coming up in a few minutes. So one of the audience three I know you've already done it a number of times during the conversation but three, just to sum up actionable, doable things that they can do to create a new tomorrow today for themselves. Matthew Scarfo 14:30 Sure. So three things one, create the habit of breathing through your nose and out through your mouth, use your mouth for eating not for breathing. For all the reasons that I mentioned earlier. Second one is move deliberately. So whatever space you're occupying or whatever space you are moving to occupy, whether it's during exercise or standing up from a restful situation, and a couch and Walk into your fridge, feel your body move through space, part of the reason why we feel like time moves so quickly anymore is because we're the things that we look forward to are happening in the future as opposed to happening right now we need to be present. So when you're exercising and you're doing a benchpress, it's important not to just bang that weight up off your chest. But as you lower it, feel the tensions as they accumulate in the different parts of your body that are responsible for governing that movement. Feel your triceps lengthen under tension, as you've lower that weight, feel them short and under tension as you press that weight up off of your chest, everything be in your body, be in the moment and be present. And then the third thing I, you know, I'm going to go off of what your last comment was. And that would be to interview your doctor, I certainly didn't mean to, if that was the impression that I gave lump all doctors into this big grand category, I want to expand on it just a little bit that in the sense that I'm a runner, and I'm an exerciser, I make sure that my doctor is also a runner and an exerciser and shares the most important parts of me with them, because they can sympathize, they can empathize. As a runner, my dogs have a foot injury, my doctor is going to tell me as a runner, how I should manage that, not just as a patient, and they don't know what running even feels like. They don't know what it means to me, they don't know those things. Now, that's not going to change, they're not going to change their advice, necessarily, but it'll help them. It'll help me feel like they're talking to me and not at me. So I think when picking your health care team, or your personal health team, it's important for you to find people that share interests with you, but just have a greater level of experience or education in their respective field, whether it's human women science or, or nutrition science, or you know, doctors are so on. So breathe through your nose, be present in your body, be present in the moment, whenever you move and everything that you do. And then also make sure that your healthcare team is a team of people that you trust that you can rely on, and that shared the same recreational interests as you this way, the advice that they give you is contextual, and not just general and vague. Ari Gronich 17:09 Awesome. And how can people get ahold of you if they want to work with you? Matthew Scarfo 17:14 Sure. So I just started a blog online, Mattscarfo.com. It's where I seems to be a catch all for all of the content that I produce, and that I'm a part of, you can easily reach me there. LinkedIn, you can find me Matt scarfo, Matt scarfo, just about everywhere, LinkedIn, Instagram, Facebook, that scarfo.com. So even if you're not interested in having me help you or work with you in any way, I'm always interested in having great conversations with interesting people. And I try to learn as much as I can from everybody that I meet. So even though it might not be a monetary arbitrage, it could certainly be a, an intellectual one. Absolutely. I've Ari Gronich 17:53 enjoyed our intellectual arbitrage today. And doing it again and, you know, working with you maybe in the future, so creating some win wins collaborations, because I think if we do that, we can really, you know, as we come together, we create momentum and movement and we can move mountains when we when we work together. So anyway, thank you so much. I am Ari Gronich, and this has been another episode of create a new tomorrow where we are helping people create their new tomorrow today. Thank you so much for being here and I look forward to seeing you and hearing you at the next one. Remember to Like, Comment, and review

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Hi I am Here with Matthew Scarfo. He provide a comprehensive fitness program for his clients that exploits every element of his expertise and 20 years of credentialled experience. Corrective Exercise, Fitness Nutrition, Functional Flexibility & Strength, Strength Training, Weight-Loss, and Lifestyle Modification. here is the full episode hope you enjoy. Listen in your favorite podcast app.  Ari Gronich 0:01 Has it occurred to you that the systems we live by are not designed to get results? We pay for procedures instead of outcomes, focusing on emergencies rather than preventing disease and living a healthy lifestyle. For over 25 years, I've taken care of Olympians Paralympians a list actors in fortune 1000 companies, if I did not get results, they did not get results. I realized that while powerful people who control the system want to keep the status quo, if I were to educate the masses, you would demand change. So I'm taking the gloves off and going after the systems as they are joining me on my mission to create a new tomorrow as I chat with industry experts, elite athletes, thought leaders and government officials about how we activate our vision for a better world. We may agree, and we may disagree, but I'm not backing down. I'm Ari Gronich and this is create a new tomorrow podcast. Welcome back to another edition of creative new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. And I have with me, Matthew scarfo. He is an endurance athlete, corrective exercise specialist, human movement specialist. He's got 20 plus years in the fitness and health industry, and with a array of certifications and titles behind his name. And so I am really looking forward to this conversation. Because as you know, this is kind of my bailiwick. This is what I've been doing for 26 years is performance training, helping athletes go from injuries to gold medals. And so that is, you know, I'm just so excited to have this conversation today with Matt. Matt, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself, and how you got into this industry and why it's so important to you. Matthew Scarfo 1:58 Sure, so, my name is Matthew scarfo. I'm a certified personal trainer among a number of other things I got into the fitness industry about 21 years ago, almost as a lost soul. I was a I didn't do very well in school, I dropped out of high school, the only thing I really ever always fell back on was fitness and exercise. And when I was younger, it was more about aesthetics and strength, as opposed to performance and functionality. Though, one day I was working out in my parents basement, and my mother came downstairs and said, Listen, you don't do anything you dropped out of high school. You're really not racking up any points here. So why don't you pursue a career in fitness and personal training, since this is what you love to do? And you do it anyway? Why don't you invest some time and some effort into figuring that out. So I took her advice. I became a personal trainer, shortly thereafter, got my first job as a personal trainer at a local mom and pop a big gym, but a local gym nonetheless. And I moved my career. From there 10 years later to opening up my own private personal training and performance studio in Morristown, which is now closed thanks to the protracted shutdown due to COVID. But, you know, nonetheless, it's a it was a pivot point. And I think a big positive for me. And over the course of my career, I've just pursued more information, more knowledge, more understanding, and, and it's taken me to being a performance athlete, myself and endurance athlete myself. So whether it's obstacle course races, like Spartan runs, or ultra runs, or any of the other recreational crazy things that I do, I've been known to do tire flips for a few miles or walking lunges for a few miles. All in all, for the fact of just putting myself in a physical situation and experimenting with different things that that I've come across, and that I've learned to see if there's any applicability not just to my own fitness, but to my clients as well. Ari Gronich 4:03 Nice miles of lunges, just imagine if you're in the audience, do 10 lunges and see how far you are. And then imagine that you've done that for one full mile. And that's, you know, to so many people that is untenable on attainable. conscionable right. And so, yeah, it's a lot of unknowns. So, where's the mental acuity that comes with pushing your body that far? You know, like, how does how does, how does that work on a brain? Matthew Scarfo 4:53 So, I'm a firm believer and a practitioner. of if you can run five Miles, you can run 50. If you can do 50 lunges, you can do 1000 lunges, so long as that you're not in a physically deleted risk condition where you're not, quote unquote pushing through an injury. As long as you've got healthy joints, healthy muscles, healthy bones, and your energy systems are sufficient to perpetuate that kind of activity. And after you've already run five miles, the energy systems aren't going to shift, you're already aerobic, at that point, you could got enough energy stored in your body to do that for quite a long time. So tire flips, it's very much the same lunges, it's very much the same. If you could do a handful you can do them all. And in terms of the headspace that you have to achieve, it's just a matter of boredom, I suppose would be the easiest way to boil it down because you have to so a mile is about 1009 walking lunges for me and took me it takes me a little bit over say like an hour, hour and 10 minutes or so to get them done. And it's not the the pain that I feel at lunch number 800 is no different than the pain that I feel after lunch number 400. It's finding a goal and and working towards that goal, it can't be open ended because if it's open ended, then your your decision to stop is also open ended. It's the success is no more than it lunge away. failure or you know, the end of the activity is no more than a lunge away. So giving myself a particular goal, and then working towards it, knowing that every step I take is a step closer. So in terms of the the mental acuity, I mean, there's certain tricks that that I play that other endurance athletes play on themselves to, to keep these activities going for, however long they need to go on for mine in particular is I tell myself that I've already finished the activity. I'm already at the finish line waiting for you. I'm just waiting for enough time to pass on my body can catch up to the reality that I've already created. So what I'm doing is actually fulfilling. What I'm doing is I'm fulfilling the past that is necessary. In order for me to have accomplished. What it is that I'm that I'm looking for now, I'd mentioned before we had gone on air that I had listened to a few conversations that you had, and one of which you had mentioned a book, I believe it was called the science of getting rich. Right. Right. Is that Does that ring a bell? Yeah. And that's, that's, that's an old book, too. That's written by like, oh, two, I Ari Gronich 7:37 think it was originally or 19. Close to like it was the early 1900s. That book was was created. And it's the basis for the movie The secret for the entire law of attraction, you know, world that has that has been proliferated in the last probably 10, 15 years. Yeah, Matthew Scarfo 8:04 sure. And there's so much truth to that book, I it's a short book, the audio books only about an hour, actually. And I remember listening to it on a particular run that I was on. And there's so much truth to everything that is stated in that book. And what I do is I, I pick a reality, what's the reality that I want the reality of that I want is I'll give you another example back at the end of May, I decided to run from my house in North Jersey down to Washington DC, so 411 kilometers away, and the only way that I was able to do that, and it took a lot of meditation, it took a lot of praying, I do most of the time use those two terms interchangeably with all due respect back to whoever we gain our conscience from. But I wouldn't have been able to achieve that or any other goal for that matter if I didn't already see myself having accomplished it. And then making that future a certain future by by backfilling in the events that have to occur between now and then. So if I were to quit doing anything that I had set my mind to it, I'm essentially changing a future that I've already believed in. So it's it's staying on task, it's staying on track. It's reminding ourselves why we're doing this and reminding ourselves that you know, there is no future that exists other than the future that we've created for ourselves in this future casting are in this mind experiment, you know, I'm already there. My body is already there. I'm just waiting for the time to pass it this way. My now body kind of walks through the still frame of my then body that's there waiting for me. And, and just keeping keeping my head focused, or completely unfocused is sometimes also the trick but it really doesn't take much we all do it in varying degrees every single day regardless of what the task is. I've always found it to be interesting that, you know, if we're running late for work, and we anticipate getting to work nine minutes late, we end up getting to work nine minutes late. If we anticipate achieving something in a certain amount of time. It's almost as though the future conspires to make that. So. So if we set a goal, and we give ourselves an objective that we're going to hit do or die, the universe has an interesting way of conspiring to make sure that that that's true, it's almost as though we create the future by thinking in a sense, and that's, that's part of my, one of my tricks in my bag of tricks. Ari Gronich 10:39 It's pretty fascinating that the, that's how organizational planners create business plans. That's how operational organizational and operational planning happens. That's reverse engineering of anything really, is, is what you're talking about. But you're taking the next step of future planning, and then backtracking it. And then you're taking that next step, which most people don't do, which is they see the future they want. They believe in the future that they want. They plan for the future that they want. And then they see that plan. And they go, Oh, my God, I don't really want that. Right. So what drew it's made the difference between making the plan and then doing the actions that are in the plan, and doing them consistently enough that you get the result that you're after. Matthew Scarfo 11:53 I think that it is largely a challenge for everybody. It's not the first mile, that's the hardest, it's it's getting your shoes on and getting outside. That's, that's often the hardest part, we know. And I and I've got three kids, three young kids, and when they get in one of their moods, or they get frustrated with something that they're doing, I tell them, just find yourself doing what it is that you want to be doing, turn the brain off and just find find yourself outside walking on the street, that'll turn into the run, but you can make that five minutes it takes from getting your shoes on, to walk into the end of the driveway feel like a very painful eternity, if you're dreading it. But rather than dread it, make the commitment that that's what you're going to do. And then turn your brain off, you put your shoes on, you find yourself outside. And now look at this I'm running. So it's it's not the first step. It's the hardest it's it's getting, it's walking yourself up to the staircase. That's the most difficult part because action creates action. And if you take that first step, you're going to take the second step. So when my kids get into a bad mood, one of the tactics that I've used with them, my son in particular is a little tough, sometimes he's a seven years old. I tell him, I'm like, Listen, you don't need a reason you don't need an excuse to go into the bathroom, close the door. I don't care what you're doing there. But when you come out, I want you to have shifted your entire state, I want you to change your mentality. You can walk out of that bathroom, anybody you want to be, you're walking in that bathroom as somebody, Clark Kent, for that matter, and you're walking out a Superman, you can change your state, immediately, you just have to make sure that you are doing it with great intent. And you're doing it with great deliberation. You can't just walk in and walk out nothing's changed. You need to walk in, tell yourself that you're going to walk out and be confident and be empathetic, and be happy, compassionate, smart and caring. And when you come out of that, when you open that door and you walk out, you're much closer to that goal that you set than you were to any other goal that was even available to you before you walked in you were in trouble before you walked in that door. So for us, we don't have to walk into the bathroom, we could simply close our eyes, take a few deep breaths, visualize what it is that we want to do. And it doesn't necessarily have to be at the finish line just yet. You can visually Close your eyes and visualize yourself getting your shoes on put your shoes on. Take another few seconds visualize yourself walking down the driveway, you're walking on the driveway. Now visualize yourself finishing your five K or crossing the finish line or or completing what it is that you've already done. Because what you're doing is you're laying the groundwork for it. And if if you do that mentally, that's really half of that that's half of anything. I mean, that's all great things begin with intent, we need that instantiation we need there needs to be an intent in the direction of what we're trying to achieve. And without that we end up walking in circles we end up biting our nails we end up procrastinating, we end up wondering more We are doing all of those things. So, as opposed to doing that, just find that step forward. But what is that next motion that you need to perform in order to get closer to that run, and you don't have to think about all the bits and pieces of it at first, it's just what do I have to do in order to run I got to get my shoes on. Okay, I'm gonna get my shoes on, I don't want to run. We're not talking about that right now. Just put your shoes on. Great. What do I have to do next, gotta walk to the edge of the driveway, I don't want to walk to the end of the driveway, turn that off, just find your rest at the end of the driveway. And now that you're there, it's gonna take a whole lot more effort to turn around and walk back inside than it would be to take that first next step. So it's extremely important for us to to visualize, not just the end result, but what's that next step going to be until we can get over that hump and then momentum begins to take us in the direction that we're trying to go. That's always worked for me. That's, Ari Gronich 15:52 I like how detailed that is. And I like how, you know the step by step by step. As you know, my background is working with Olympic athletes and and pro athletes and I normally got them post injury, and post injury. Anybody who has an injury is trepidatious to do the thing that caused the injury. One of my things was I did a double flip over a car at 45 miles an hour off my motorcycle, literally, it was a tuck Pike, gymnastics martial arts kicked in, in the middle of what happened I got hit 45 miles an hour, t boned. And I literally took pike double flip over the car landed on my feet, unfortunately, for me was wearing sandals and shorts, which I don't recommend when you're riding a motorcycle, and and have a I didn't have a broken bone in my body. I didn't have, you know, a damaged brain or anything, did have his Road Rash, massive Road Rash. Other than that, nothing. And one of the first things that I did when I could was I got on my friend's bike, and I started to write it with Olympic athletes. They are ready to get back on the horse, but they're trepidatious and their trainers, their coaches, their their people who are not skilled in multiple modalities, typically they're they're they're pretty narrow focused. And they'll tell them you know, he'll never be as good as he was. So for example, like Kobe Bryant got injured. And Gary Vee, you know, was saying he'll be about 70% we're used to that. It's okay. You know, we're used to this in the industry. And I went and I talked to Mitch Kupchak. And I was like, No, he could be about 110% of what he was, if he's trained properly. And all you need to know like, how much money is gonna cost you for him to be out and how much money is like that was the conversation I had with him well, and is is is when somebody is injured, or weak, or they feel weak in some way. And they feel like that's going to be something that is going to stop them. And you know, this goes for me too. I got in a car accident had back to neck surgery and things like that, and I become a little trepidatious when I don't have proper trainers to work with me, even though I know what to do. You always need a coach, in my opinion, somebody to see the things and you know, that you can't see. And so I become trepidatious, I don't want to work out, I don't want to do push ups. I don't want to do exercises, right? Because I'm going to hurt myself again. So if somebody is listening to this, and they're hearing you say, just walk out the door, just put on your shoes. That is a really good first step, even if you don't actually go outside. If you get the shoes on one day, and then the next day, you open the door and close the door. And then the next day you open the door and you go outside. And then the next day you go and do the walk, you know to the driveway, and then the next day you'd walk down the block. And then the next day you walk a mile, you know, like taking those baby steps is really important. Now, I learned some of this through National Academy of Sports Medicine and you've been an ASM grad progressions, equal results right? If you try to do it all at once you create more injury. So talk to talk to us a little bit about that and how do you motivate How do you get somebody to have a belief that they can do something When they're injured, and they don't feel like like they can, there's no hope left. Matthew Scarfo 20:07 I'm so glad that you asked me this question. So I myself, I've, I've got a history of injuries as well, nothing is dramatic, thank goodness as motorcycle or car accidents. And I'm glad that you're well. But I had a slip and fall about 15 years ago on ice that ended up giving me compression fractures in T six through 10, which turned into degenerative arthritis, which has depleted the bone mass of each of those vertebrae by 20, to 30%. So I've got stenosis, I've got arthritis, I did not opt to go for that fusion simply because that procedure, they go in from the front. And I was already a father at that point, boom, when we would cross the bridge of talking about the surgery. And I wasn't going to let them deflate my lung and move my heart out of the way to get into this thing. I said, when I'm no longer able to carry my kids, we'll talk about it. But until then I'll suffer my lower back l four l five, the, the disk has gone, it looks black on it on the MRI, l five, this one also gone. I've got characteristic sciatica running down both my legs, it's always there. And it and I'm always managing pain as well. But one thing that I've coached my clients with, and I practice this is and I tell them this all the time, it's not a problem unless it's a problem. So if you anticipate it being a problem, I guess, to go back to what we had spoken about before your future casting that this thing is going to interrupt you in some way. But rather, when we've got an injury, and everybody's got something, whether it's a shoulder or wrist and elbow and knee or hip, whatever, what I what I advise my clients to do is you're you're moving around with compromised movement patterns simply because you're anticipating the pain, a pain that is never going to not necessarily ever going to spike or become an issue. But because when we move in a particular way, or in a particular range of motion, and we begin to feel the sensations that remind us that there's an injury there, we hit the brakes on it right away now, and I've had clients say, No, I want to stop there, I don't feel safe about it. So all right, well, let's unload the machine for a second and move you through the movement, let's find out exactly where is the red line. Because if you're operating in orange, that's a perceptual orange, that red line is reflective, that's where you don't have a choice, you're going to pull your hand away from the flame without even thinking about it. But you could bring your hand intentionally pretty close to that flame without being burned without causing a problem. And that's something that only the client, or the individual is really going to know because even as as great of a trainer as I claim to be, and I I claim to be a functional emphasis where I can feel my clients moving through their emotions, I can feel the tensions, I can feel the mobilities, I could, I could be in that movement with them. But I still can't feel what it is that their nervous system is telling them. So I tell them, move through a range of motion. And slowly, don't be afraid you're going to feel it's going to be uncomfortable, find where that red line is, because you've got from being completely motionless and at rest all the way through that yellow zone and up into that red line before it becomes a problem. So don't restrict yourself because you're afraid of being uncomfortable. You're going to be uncomfortable, if I yield it to all of my issues and all of my pains, I would never get off of the couch. So it's important to figure out where is it really a problem, instead of anticipating that it's going to be a problem. If you move any farther, do it in a safe in a controlled way unloaded or with extremely light load and move that shoulder through a range of motion. Where do you feel it Okay, hurts? Can you move it a little bit farther? Is it getting louder? Or is it staying the same because you have you'll have all of that available range of motion if you use it safely. And, and deliberately and you stay connected to the joint and the muscles and attention and you're not just throwing the weights around or or moving your body carelessly through space. So figure out where the problem actually begins. Not when it begins to warn you that it might be there or not. That's first of all. And then second of all, we whether we use that because we want to procrastinate, we want to use it as an excuse. The fact is that we have way more ability than we give ourselves credit for. Now, when we were children. And we would bank young child, I've got a three year old also and I see her do this. She'll bang her elbow on the table pretty hard, and that'll ruin her whole day. I mean, that's it that that pain is there. She cries about it. She whines about it, you know, it you can see that she plays with it, you know and it doesn't bother her but then somebody's paying attention to her more as time goes on. And she or you or I have banged our elbow X amount of times over the course of our life and over the course of our development, that same impact with the same velocity in the same place in the same tissues, hurts less than less, it doesn't actually hurt less than less, because if we were to put up to a brain scan and take a look at what's going on, your brain is having the very same reaction to it. Now hear me 41 years old as it did when I was two years old, on paper, it looks exactly the same, which changes our perception of that pain. Now, over the course of these 40, ensuing years, there may have been opportunities where I bang my elbow when I was in front of somebody I was trying to impress. So I bury it, I build a layer on top of it, I might be out in public where if I bang my elbow, and I show weakness, or I look like a sissy, that that'll be detrimental to my reputation. So I bury it again. And little by little, we create these layers on top of these, these these sensations, these injuries, where the brain still sees it the same way. It's just the person that's experiencing it is a different person now. So we, we have to get comfortable with the fact of walking it off, so long as it's not going to create greater problems. And again, it's up to the individual to really determine where is that yellow, turn into orange. And then where is it finally red. But if we build a thick enough skin on top of our injuries on top of my sciatica, meisten versus my degenerative arthritis, it's all still there. But I don't give it a voice I do when it's gotten to a particular point. And I'm, whether I'm stressed or I'm tired, and it hurts a little bit more. But the fact is that we could probably work through way more things and we give ourselves credit for, and whether we err on the side of caution, because we're overly cautious, or we err on the side of caution because we're, we're just not motivated enough to care to proceed. The fact remains that we create this bubble that we end up moving within to avoid any sensation of discomfort or pain. And inevitably, what that does is that changes are movement mechanics that changes the length tension relationships with the muscles and the joints that they govern, so on and so forth. And over time, that leads to greater problems. And we see this in the aging population, we see the rounded back, we see the internally rotated shoulders, we see the protruding neck, we see issues in the lumbar spine, because they're trying to accommodate for all of their pains and their injuries, they end up sticking themselves in a very, very small box that eventually you're not able to, you're not able to work your way out of. So take up as much space as you can move through as much space as you can use your mobility as best as you can find a resistance that you can move through space as much as you can and experience the discomfort that accompanies your injuries. But figure out where that line is, where does it actually turn into pain? When are we being overly cautious? And when are we being appropriately cautious, and we'll find that we've got a whole lot more room than we think that we do. Ari Gronich 28:04 That's a it's a good explanation. I know for me, I have I have all kinds of issues but that's why I got into the field to begin with. But one of them is a brain tumor. And when I was about 24 hours when they found it, so I had been treated since I was about 12 before they found it and it's a pituitary causes all kinds of hormone imbalances had to be injected into puberty, breast reduction surgery when I was 14. Wow, weight gain all those kinds of things. So I was an athlete I'm eight years gymnastics eight years. With baseball, martial artist, tennis player long distance cycler I'm an athlete who's gaining weight, gaining weight, gaining weight, gaining weight, right. And so I'm 24 years old, they finally find the tumor and they start drugging me up and when they did that the drugs made it so that it was actually difficult for me to even leave my house the mechanism of choice in there of like I couldn't even sometimes get myself out onto the balcony you know, I could always make an appointment though. I could always keep keep my obligations but as soon as I was done with that obligation back in the house and like hard for me to it was hard for me to get out. And so when I hear you say Okay, so what if I just opened the door? What do you know like so people have these anxieties these these? fears, phobias, Agra phobia I had a friend whose dad was agoraphobic For probably 1520 years, I actually spent a week at his house and I never met him that week, like ever. He was that, wow. So the question becomes the mental side, the chemical side, right? Because chemistry has a lot to do with it. So you have a nutritional background, as well as some of the other things that you have. So let's talk a little bit about how food makes motivation, either easier or less. Right? So how does how to how do we get the chemistry right? So the brain can be right? Or is it the brain before the chemistry or how do they interact with each other, so that motivation, energy, expression of that energy, etc, those kinds of things are really in alignment with the goal and purpose. Matthew Scarfo 31:00 So I've got a few things that I can comment on that with First, I think, in terms of chemistry, if if I could give anybody a single piece of advice that I think would change their lives, and this goes for every single person on this planet, it would be that your mouth isn't made for breathing, your nose is made for breathing, your mouth is an eating and chewing organ and not a breathing organ, and you've got specialized structures within your face. We have an external nose, we have internal sinuses, we've got twists and turns in there which add vertices to the air, our nasal passages produce nitric oxide, which allow us to really change our blood chemistry, and our brain chemistry before we even eat a single thing. So we can go without food for weeks, water for days, air for minutes. So and we and we often breathe in properly, we're made to breathe through our nose, we're made to have higher concentrations of carbon dioxide in our blood than we're taught to have. So we're taught that oxygen is you know, we breathe to get oxygen, which isn't true, we breathe to expel carbon dioxide, we don't breathe to inhale oxygen. So I've done certain tests actually bought a blood oximeter and used it when I ran and push myself to 204 210 beats a minute, which is which is very high performing for me. And sucking wind, I check my blood oxygen, it's 94%, the same as when I'm resting or when I'm sleeping. But the problem is I'm breathing heavy, because I'm trying to expel the waste products of my activity and aerobic activity, which is carbon dioxide. So I think that it starts it really starts there. If we're mouth breathing, and we're chest breathing, and we're panic breathing, then we're always in a state of anxiety. And we're always in a state of stress of fight or flight. And, and there might be the foundation, or at least the first few floors of our anxiety issues is no matter what we eat, no matter what we practice, if we're breathing improperly, we very well could always be in a stress state, which would then precipitate improper eating, proper food choices, impulsive food choices, and so on. So I think that it really all starts with, with breathing with nose breathing, at a calm and relaxed pace, getting used to that sleeping, when your mouth is sleeping with your mouth closed, exercising with your mouth closed, I'm an avid whenever I work out, I'm always a nose breather, even when I have the elevation mask on. I'm always breathing through the nose. It's taken a little bit of practice, but it takes less practice than most people think. Now in terms of diet, if we were to eliminate that from the equation and assume that we're all breathing properly and perfectly in terms of food, there are certain stress inducing foods. And I think that there's probably some that apply to all of us. And then there's some that applied to certain individuals, like we still don't know exactly how, for example, somebody with a gluten sensitivity when they consume gluten that might be buried in a food somewhere that doesn't just affect their digestive system, which is also the house of our immune system, which again, stress response and so on, but it affects it could affect their joints, it could affect their mind state, it can affect them anything. So whether you are allergic to the gluten or or lactose or, or beans or whatever the case is, I think that if it's important to explore and know what kind of sensitivities we have to foods because they manifest themselves in other ways besides just digestive issues. We're also kind of up against the the, the machine that is the food industry or the commercialized food industry. And many people don't realize it but there's a reason Why Starburst or red, yellow, orange, pink. There's a reason why these lollipops are bright and blue and red because these are the colors of fruits and, and good foods for us as they appear in the wild. So they're appealing to a subconscious need that we have and to procure these foods from, you know, 1000s and 1000s of years ago. So they tricked us into eating these foods that are that are terrible for us. The only redeeming quality they have is that they trick the brain into thinking that it's necessary. So therein lies the neurochemical responses, you know, the dopamine kind of leads us up to that event, and then you know, we eat it. And now we've got, you know, the feel good chemicals Russian, let us know that this was a very rewarding and good experience, when in fact, it didn't do anything for us at all except make us sick or or interrupt our functions as they should be. And we, as a culture, we haven't really spoken much about additives and preservatives and artificial colors. And all of these other things we talk mostly in terms of macronutrients. And, and though that's important, a calorie isn't a calorie, your body treats fructose much much different than it treats glucose. And And therein lies the problem because this high fructose corn syrup, devoid of any kind of fiber, or anything like that increases your sugar level, it increases your heart rate, it increases your anxiety responses and increases so much. So in terms of nutrition, and diet, and the things that we could be eating should be eating, in order for us to kind of subdue the natural anxiety that we all have in this modern world. I regret to say my best guess is that it would be pretty bland, fermented foods, organ meats, bone marrow, broths, fibrous fruits and vegetables, you know, zero, absolutely zero sweetened anything. Even if it's stevia doesn't matter. It's just not supposed to be there. And, and relying on the natural sweetness of foods to recalibrate our taste buds, and not overwhelmed, and not to have them overwhelmed with these foods that are 100% sugar. So I think it's important to feed your brain first and foremost, with a balanced diet, and what's a balanced diet that really depends on who you talk to my school, told me that, you know, generally healthful diet is 60% carbs, 20 25% fats, and 15 20% proteins and we need far less protein than we're led to believe. And I think that they're, I don't know, the study is behind it. But I'm sure that that creates some sort of stress. I mean, it creates stress on our, on our kidneys in order to metabolize these things. But, you know, we need for a woman who even wants to build mass, I've always consulted it, you know, point four 2.6 grams per pound of body weight is like, just fine. You don't need to supplement a protein shake when a woman asks me, what kind of protein shake should I have? I said, Why are you drinking a protein shake the whole chances are, you're getting sufficient protein even more than enough protein than you need. Same thing with men bodybuilders, magazines will tell you two to four grams per pound, maybe a gram at most will still get you exactly what you want. But we don't live in a culture of of sufficiency. We live in a culture of excessiveness better, more than not enough. And and I think we're gonna find out eventually that what we thought was not enough before is plenty. So I think just mindful eating, being careful of the things that we're putting in our mouth, and that we're asking our bodies to digest and metabolize and excrete, because some of those things don't excrete depending on the kinds of fish that you eat, the sources that you get them from the heavy metals and so on. So just be mindful of what we're eating, trying to eliminate sugar as best as we can, from our diet, any kind of added sugar, and not being afraid of fat. I mean, fat, fat is generally a good thing as long as it's not hydrogenated fats, if it's a natural fat that occurs in a steak or fish or an avocado like these things are okay. You wouldn't supplement that but but as part of a whole, no, they were designed in a particular way, which would benefit us the most and that's why we consume them. Right. So Ari Gronich 39:19 so here's, here's my, my take, and mostly what you're saying I agree with the high carb thing, there is no essential carbs. There's essential fiber that right, but there's no essential carb that your body is required to have in order to function at an optimal level. Grains In fact, from bread, whatever you have it with grains absorb minerals. So when you're eating the grain if you're eating bread, or for instance, and it's like a whole grain I'm eating whole grains or even Keane wa rice, things like that wheat. They absorb minerals, so when you eat them They absorb when you eat the mineral, like you take in a mineral supplement, and then you eat the food, the mineral supplement does not go into your body, the mineral supplement goes into the food that you just ate, and it's passed right through you instead. And if you saw my body motions, I'm showing passes, right. But if, if, if you eat those kinds of high grains, you literally become mineral deficient. Not only that, but the soil itself is mineral deficient. So the mineral, the grains don't have the mineral content that they used to have anyway. But if you eat meat, you're eating everything that that meet a ate, right? That's why it's important to choose your meat well, protein is absolutely in our culture, you got to make gains, I gotta make gains, right. This is what I hear from my, my, my kid, you know, when he when he was working out and he was in high school is I gotta make gains, right, I got to build up the bulk. And, and so all everything was about was about the protein. So protein, and meats and things are not part of our normal, everyday diet. But berries, things that you hunt and gather are what are part of a natural human diet, if you hunt it, if you can gather it, that is part if you cultivate it, not part of the diet, right. So when you cultivate corn, especially in a field and only corn in that field, and hybridize it so it's got a heavy amount of sugar in it. Because we've hybridized and genetically modified it, not good for you. So I would say I get that at ASM and a lot of people have have put that carb on this pedestal the carbs on the pedestal, but my feeling is fat should be put on a pedestal, good fats should be put on the pedestal pedestal more than the proteins or the the high carbs. Proteins are good because they give you the essential amino acids they give you. And that that could be from spinach or kale or you know, it doesn't have to necessarily be from meat, or fish, or you know, that kind of thing. It could be from any of those other sources. But things like nuts, and nut fats like coconut oil, we all have been hearing about MCT. And the amazing benefits that MCT oil has. But the thing is, we want our fats to be of the high enough quality that it turns our brain on versus turning it off if you're using canola oils, and you know corn oils, and these highly processed vegetable oils and seed oils. Very, very inflammatory. They cause all kinds of inflammatory disorders, right. But if you're eating the omega threes, omega nines, even omega 17, I think is known as B 17. It was cancer one, but different Megas, the good Linoleic acids and things like that. Those are essential for your body. And I think what most people don't understand is our brain is made up of fat and cholesterol. That's what causes it to be. It's exists because of fat and cholesterol. they starve ourselves of fat, we starve ourselves of our thinking mind. And we end up getting all kinds of disorders. And in fact, in endurance athletes, I've been seeing this a lot, they're moving away from the carb loading days, or a competition or before a race or a marathon and starting to fat load. And they're finding their joints are much less, you know, inflamed at the end, they cramp less, there's all kinds of less issues because they're fat loading versus carb loading. So I may or may not be disagreeing with you. I'm just, you know, going based on on what you said, but that would be my take on on it. And just as a general thing, because we brought up gluten. Gluten is a poison. It's a protein and it's a poisonous protein that is in the plant to stop bugs from eating it. So bugs won't eat that plan. That protein is poisonous to them, it will kill them. And so when we eat it, it doesn't matter if you're highly allergic on a top of the scale allergic. Or if you're on the bottom of the scale, as far as a response goes, it's going to cause an inflammatory response no matter what. Now, we have hybridized, and genetically modified our wheat and so forth to have extra gluten. And then we started putting it in everything. I even saw a bottle of water that said gluten free. They had to point that out. But anyway, so just let you know, let's have a little bit of back and forth, that I just said a lot. So what do I think, as an endurance athlete? Matthew Scarfo 45:55 So I think it's important that your audience knows that ever since the agricultural revolution is when our, our health as a society began to decline. It was only after we started growing our own foods that that we began to have problems with food. And let's keep in mind that back when the FDA came out with the recommended daily allowances, that that's not for optimal health RDS, or for disease prevention. So that's the minimum that you should eat. If you want to avoid things like berry berry or rickets, it's not a healthful amount, it is the minimum sufficient amount to keep you healthy. Secondly, back in the whenever it was the turn of the night, or the turn of the 20th century, early 1900s, when the FDA was coming out with, you know how much vitamin E is in a, you know, is in a keratin how much calcium is in spinach, these were things that were grown on, comparatively virgin soils. So to your point, these soils weren't stripped of everything that they would need in order to make a carrot from 1920. a carrot of modern day. So the fact that you know, spinach might have had a certain amount of iron way back in the day, that's not the same soil, we've we've depleted that soil so much, that we have to fertilize it. And what you're getting is a carrot, or spinach or broccoli that looks like broccoli, and tastes like broccoli. But it's not the same broccoli that we were having. So if you're relying on these food shorts for different amounts of your your vitamins and your minerals from certain foods, you you're not eating enough, and that that's probably one of the stronger cases for taking a multi whether you agree with it or not, is that we're not eating the same foods as what we were now I used to take a multi I stopped taking a multi, I kind of go on and off with it. I don't necessarily believe in supplementing individual compounds simply because they're not found that way. In nature, there's a congruence in the symbiosis with all of the vitamins and minerals that we eat. And, and buyer beware, for example, when people are purchasing a multivitamin, you need to make sure that the proportions of certain compounds in there are our proper, right. So So zinc and copper are antagonistic. And one of the things that it's it's a correlation, it's not quite a causation, or at least not yet between low zinc levels and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. And what we could do and I grew up, I was diagnosed with that it's a blanket kind of diagnosis for kids that just are hard to manage, I think in a lot of cases. But we had acidic water in our home, we had a blue ring in our tub and a blue ring in our sink. And what that is, is that's elemental copper. I mean, that's, that's the worst kind of copper you could get. That's that and, and oftentimes and cheap vitamins, that's the copper that they put in there, that's the iron that they put in there, these aren't bioavailable things, they're, they're sufficient that I could put them on a label and tell you how much they weigh and how much is in there. But in terms of how much your body can use, it's it's fractional, if any at all. And then you have to take into consideration the, the antagonistic behavior of certain things you might not be getting, you might be actually exceeding more than you're taking in from that particular multivitamin. In terms of carbohydrates, you know, I I agree with you. Now I eat carbohydrates just because I'm a I'm a slave to my own habits and my wife has celiac disease, she was diagnosed she had the biopsy, and we've pretty much taken gluten out of everything in the house just so it's easier for her. But it's what we'll have that really is just a calorie replacement for the for the meal. We have a very big stack of vegetables. We have a couple of servings of meat and then you've got the starch on the side and and you're right and you don't need to eat agricultural alized cardboard hydrates, the ones that are present in the fruits and the vegetables and the tubers naturally occurring, those are going to be in there anyway. And those are accompanied by fiber and other nutrients that make them that make them whole and make them usable. But you know, to your point before about creating an inflammatory response, even if you're not necessarily sensitive to something like gluten, the barrier between the food that's suggesting in our intestines and our bloodstream is one cell thick. It is a single cell thick, and there are certain mechanisms that allow the transportation of, of nutrients into or rather out of our intestines. But when there's an inflammatory response, what used to be neatly packaged cells that created one congruent layer were only these chemical messengers, and transporters could allow things to go back and forth, another creates gaps in between these cells, you get leaky gut syndrome, which creates a whole slew of problems. But what seems to be a reoccurring phrase here is inflammation. And inflammation is the cause of disease. So anything that we can do to eliminate or diminish the amount of inflammation that we that we acquire in response to the things that we eat, and the things that we do and ingest, and so on, the better off that we're going to be overall. You know, what I don't, I don't want to argue with you about the about the 60 to 25 and the 20. Because, honestly, I think that you are right. And in my own practice, when I've got the choice, I do eat more fatty foods before I exercise. And before I work out, and I found I can say this with certainty, that it, it gives me greater endurance. Now, I never got into the keto diet. I know a little bit about it. But I know that the ketone body is a very powerful, it's a very powerful molecule, it's a very powerful thing. And we derive more energy from it than we do from sugar. And it's a longer lasting energy, it takes some time for our body to get accustomed to using it as a sole source of energy. But I do know that sugar is inflammatory. Even in its natural state, it's generally inflammatory. But rarely do we ever find it in its natural state. We've got away with high fructose corn syrup, and now we call it something else. But it's the same exact thing. That's all in an effort Ari Gronich 52:20 for it's called natural sweetener. Right? Right. So when you see no, you know, you see if you see natural sweetener on on the on the label, that's high fructose corn syrup, now they have gotten approval to put that through our FDA, our wonderful, wonderful FDA, they've gotten approval to call it a natural sweetener. So when you see something that says natural, this or natural, that doesn't necessarily mean healthy. Just Just an FYI. Matthew Scarfo 52:55 Right? Right. And when you when you've got the alternative to take something like aspartame, which was originally supposed to be an insecticide, but they found out that it's 800 times sweeter than sugar, and it these small doses, it doesn't kill you. And they begin to put that in GM and this and that. I mean, probably talk days about this. But you know, the occurrence of issues that we see now that I didn't see, even when I was a kid in school, the autism, the celiac disease, the peanut allergies, you know, every kid's got something, and, and it's nobody really wants to take a look at the environment, because that's really what it is. It's, it's what we're feeding our kids, it's what we're subjecting our children to, it's, it's the adaptations that we're expecting our body can already manage these these foods, these foreign substances, these foreign chemicals and compounds, when in fact, it's stressful. And the problems that we experienced from them downstream, I think are only beginning to come to light, this is going to get much, much worse than it is now I've got a number of friends in my peer group that that needed fertility treatments for in order to have kids. That's like common practice anymore. And whether it's either over prescribed, or it's just overly present. Now, there's a reason for that, and it's because of our environment. But yeah, I mean, as far as the carbohydrates go, I I think you're right, I don't think you're right. I know you're right. And I can base that really all on just one fact. And that is if you look at when we started growing our own food, that's when the problems started to happen. I'm a hunter. I and I've had this conversation with with vegetarians and vegans and you know, with all due respect to anybody's eating habits or food preferences, I prefer to eat wild game. And the reason is because these are animals that have lived a happy life. They follow up, they've ran around, they know what those feel good chemicals, feeling. Like when they enter their brain, they got to mate, they got to play. They, they didn't live in filth, where they needed antibiotics just to keep them alive like the cows do. And that's the only reason why cows get into biotics is because they would die in the conditions that we keep them in if they didn't otherwise have. So now this is we're entering deer season up here in New Jersey for for shotgun a muzzleloader. And I prefer to have that meat Well, it's cool. There's not a single animal out there, that's a prey animal that, that dies of old age, they generally die very traumatic death, whether they break a leg and they have to, you know, suffer that until it becomes infected and dire, they get eaten by a pack of coyotes. So natural meats, well harvested meats that are that have eaten a diet, that is exactly what they are supposed to eat is critically important. Corn fed beef is not a good beef. I mean, it's still beef, but it's just like we were talking about with the farming 100 years ago, compared to today, it looks like steak, but your body doesn't treat it the same way it did, you know, it would have a cow 100 years ago. So I think food choices is very important. And it's hard anymore, because the marketing is so strong, and the additives are so strong, they make it so we don't even have to chew our food anymore. It's everything so palatable and an easy to swallow McDonald's, you don't have to chew their food or cheeseburgers. There's issues that when I'd mentioned before, that it's important for us to breathe through our nose, that becomes harder and harder when you've got a palate that is shrinking, because you're not working your jaw muscles to chew the foods that we used to chew. I mean, if you wanted sugar 150 years ago, the only way you could get it was to eat this piece of bamboo, which would be sugar cane, you'd get a ridiculous amount of fiber from it and very little sugar, but your job would still work out it would keep the structures in your face and your nose and then your breathing system conditioned and fit. And we lose that now. And that creates problem more and more problems for us as more and more time goes on. Ari Gronich 57:06 Yeah, I'm old enough to remember when I could chew on a sugar cane like a sliver of sugarcane. And I'm also old enough to remember when you would we would walk through a berry field and the taste of a strawberry or the taste of a blueberry compared to the taste of them now so much richer and more full flavored, because the mineral content was there, because it had all of the things necessary. I think the statistic is if you were to eat, like some broccoli today versus broccoli 50 years ago, the the equivalent value is for every one that was one broccoli, you know thing. You have to eat like 1512 to 15 broccolis to equal the same amount of nutrients as 150 years ago because of the depletion of mineral and nutrient content in the soil. So just as an interesting thing, same thing with an apple, I think it's eight apples equals the equivalent nutritional value of one apple 50 years ago. However, we've hybridized the apples to have not the minerals not the nutrients but sugar. So apples today are Sweeter, sweeter, sweeter and high, high in sugar versus what they were years ago. I don't even drink you know, I don't drink apple juice, orange juice, any any of that kind of stuff anymore because of the amazing sugar content in it. And just as a as a side to that. You know, when we're thinking about the food that we eat, you were talking about the meat and hunting. So I've never been a hunter. I've never been hunting. I grew up in Los Angeles, not really a good a big hunting area. But my my roommate when I lived there. He He said that they attempted in his hometown. I think it was in like Missouri area or Minnesota. I don't remember it was one of the M's and he said that they stopped the hunting license for a couple years or something. They didn't want to have all the you know, the deer killed and hunted so they stopped it for a couple years and what what ended up happening was that the things that the population overgrowth of the animal them all created an issue not with the people or the humans, but they would get sick, they would eat too much of the of the food because there's too many of them, and then they would get sick, they would have all kinds of other issues. And then they ended up dying and disease was starting to spread because of the way in which they were dying. So they reinstated the hunting, in order to make sure that the population was down enough that they weren't having their own internal ecosystem issues. Right. So hunting isn't necessarily, to me, a cruel thing. It's not something that that I don't know if I'd be comfortable with it, just because I'm, it's not my, my nature. But or at least it's not something I've ever done. But just as a side to that, you know, it's like, we have this thing about being civilized, and being in a civilization, and how cruel it is to hunt. But it's supposedly not so cruel, at least for meat eaters, to treat our cows, the way that we've treated them to treat our chickens, the way that we've treated them to treat our livestock in general, putting them in situations where they need to be like they're standing for their entire life in one spot eating food that's not natural to their diet, because when you see grain fed meat, cows don't eat grains, they eat grass, they walk around, they get exercise, they eat grass, that's what they do. And there's a natural cycle to it. That makes it so that they're they're very healthy. When they are in that natural cycle. As soon as you take them out of that natural cycle, you start giving them food, that they're not healthy, that's not healthy, and then you start pumping them full hormones to make them bigger to the point where they can't even hold their own weight in their legs because their muscles haven't been developed because they haven't been walking around. Okay, now, I'm talking to the audience right now, a lot, because I know that you know this. So I just want the audience to really understand what what's the cost, what is the cost of spending a little bit of money on really crappy meat that causes you to have diabetes, cancer, inflammation, heart disease, etc. Versus spending the little bit extra cost or extra money to get grass fed grass finished meat, or wild game that's been hunted, that's lived its life that's been able to roam and work the muscles so that the fat that they produce is the beautiful fat that's really healthy for you. So I'm just saying this because I want the audience to get I'm not an anti vegan anti vegetarian, I practiced veganism for a number of years vegetarian for a number of years raw food diet for a number of years. I'm not against that, and I get the the amazing empathy that they have for the animals that are being factory farmed. But factory farmed, need to go factory farms, whether it's agricultural, or meat, need to go. It's not necessary. How many millions and millions and millions of pounds of meat do we throw away every year? Because of it being diseased because of it being, you know, used in in ways that are unhealthy? You know? I mean, millions of pounds, well, how many cows Can we stop? You know, reading in this way? And how much room could we give them to move around if we stopped wasting it because we're factory farming it Matthew Scarfo 1:04:33 right. Now, granted, I don't think that cow hunting would be extremely exciting. They don't seem to move very fast. Right, right. You know, your cows, they don't seem to move very fast. They don't seem like they're very smart. They're not very camouflage. But, but your points well taken that you know, the reason why cows are given antibiotics is at least back in the middle of the 1900s when They wouldn't be in these factory farms. In New York City, they'd be in a warehouse that was elevated off the ground, they're put in this carousel, they're standing in their own excrement. And they're ill. And the only way that we can keep them alive is to put them on an antibiotic life support. Turns out that when they're on this antibiotic life support that they produce more meat. And now we have to give them hormones this way they produce milk, even when they're not calving. And even when they're not pregnant. That's not the same milk, chemically, and as it is, is if they were nursing a calf with it. So these animals are always under stress, they're always under stress, and they're stressed. That's a hormonal response. And that hormone is present in any of the meat that we eat. Now, not justifying or defending, hunting, but for that matter, the animals that live in the wild, live a happy life as God intended, they're out there doing what you know, with deer and squirrels and rabbits are meant to do. They're not being savagely ripped to pieces by predator animals. They're not, you know, being wounded and hopefully wounded and just left to die. I mean, as a hunter, and this isn't defensive, all hunters out there, we have a commitment. And it's a very strong commitment that it's supposed to be a swift and painless kill. And if it's not guaranteed to be a swift and painless, killed, and we'd let the animal go, and we don't take the shot. Now, there's a, you know, we know this very well, now that, you know, there's always a bad few in every big group. And I'm sure that hunting is no different. But an animal that was harvested from the wild that was eating what it would have wanted to eat that had the chance to raise calves and, and, and have relationships with other animals and experience life. It's a happier animal, it's better meat, we have chickens, actually, at our home, we've got about 30 of them. They're not meat chickens, they're egg chickens, they have an extremely large run an extremely large coop. And we do let them free range daily and the eggs that they produce, compared to the eggs that we get in the store, the shells are almost hard to crack on the animals that we have here. The skin inside of that shell is much thicker, oftentimes the yolk is a much brighter orange. And that's normal. That's not because of nutrients. That's really more from the bioflavonoids that are in the foods that they eat, you can make a chicken's yolk extremely orange if you gave it marigolds, but, but they eat hard shelled exoskeleton bugs and worms leaves and they get to pick what they eat. That's a healthier egg. That's a healthier animal. As opposed to the eggs that you get in the store, which it's about. It's about quantity, it's how many eggs can we get out, or how many things that look like an egg, can we sell as an egg and get our money for and it's it's much different if you can invest in or you've got the opportunity to invest in free reign jugs that are that are sourced from your local community with people that have chickens, you're going to pay a little bit more for them. But you will absolutely notice a difference in taste, a difference in texture, there's a nutrient difference in them as well. It's just, it's just better as close as we can get back to how we were eating 150 years ago and longer is really how we should be eating now. And for many people, it's just a convenience. You know, they don't want to hunt but they'll they'll take a steak from a cow that had its next slit. While it was living in a cage its entire life. They'd rather pay an extra four bucks a steak to pay the middleman to handle the dirty work. But the fact is, is that that that animal was abused and mistreated, and it was it was born to die. It was important to breed it was important to do anything other than to provide for you meat. And once it was able to do that its card was pulled. So for those that are uncomfortable with hunting or eating hunted me, just just think about where you're getting your meat from, you've got better options, there are better options, plenty of mail order places that you can get them from where the animals are humanely treated. And the food is done without antibiotics or without hormones. And we're at a point now where if you look at a carton of milk, and the cow wasn't given antibiotics, there's a promote or given bovine growth hormone. There's a promotion for bovine growth hormone on that package. It says this animal was not given our b, g h. And then right underneath that there's been no significant difference between the milk procured from an animal that was given this hormone in the milk that was not, which is saying that it's okay to drink the milk that was that that's tainted with this stuff. But I don't know about that. I don't believe it. So it's just it's funny how they always get their jabs in and how, you know, the FDA is always It seems as though they have an ulterior motive and a different Yeah, they're in a different agenda, isn't it? Ari Gronich 1:09:52 Yeah, there's actually

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Hi I am Here with Matthew Scarfo. He provide a comprehensive fitness program for his clients that exploits every element of his expertise and 20 years of credentialled experience. Corrective Exercise, Fitness Nutrition, Functional Flexibility & Strength, Strength Training, Weight-Loss, and Lifestyle Modification. Hear it live on Monday at 6 Am for the full episode in your favorite podcast app.  Matthew Scarfo 0:00 I got into the fitness industry about 21 years ago, almost as a lost soul. I was a I didn't do very well in school I dropped out of high school, the only thing I really ever always fell back on was fitness and exercise. And when I was younger, it was more about aesthetics and strength, as opposed to performance and functionality, though. One day I was working out in my parents basement, and my mother came downstairs and said, Listen, you don't do anything you dropped out of high school. You're really not racking up any points here. So why don't you pursue a career in fitness and personal training since it's just what you love to do? And you do it anyway. Why don't you invest some time and some effort into figuring that out. So I took her advice. I became a personal trainer shortly thereafter, got my first job as a personal trainer at a local mom and pop a big gym.

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Hi, I am Here with Jonathan Pritchard. He Founder of the Hellstrom Group; an international consulting company working with clients like BP, State Farm, United Airlines, and more. Focusing mainly on applied psychology in business, communication, and life. here is the Highlights of the episode hope you enjoy. Listen to the full episode in your favorite podcast app. Ari Gronich 0:07 Welcome back to create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich and with me today and I have to change my voice for him because he is the magician Jonathan Pritchard. Been on stage with Chris Angel. He's been on stage in war times and good times. He's traveled the world learning the psychology and the experiential mindset of imagination design theory of mind. Jonathan Prichard, tell us who you are. jonathan pritchard 0:44 Hi, hey, glad to be here, man. Thanks for the rockin intro. Just always have to say I was backstage with Chris Angel. I haven't been on stage with him. I was strictly behind the scenes. I got that face for radio kind of thing going on. So yeah. Basically, my my background is I grew up doing magic tricks. When I was a teenager, I got interested in mind reading tricks. And that was my area of specialty. I met my mentor James Randi, who recently passed away. He at the time had a million dollar challenge to anybody who claimed to be genuinely psychic or have supernatural powers like that. Well, you show us then you get a million dollars. And I handled applications and designed testing protocol for that million dollar challenge. And that's when I saw every way that people were trying to scam their way to the money and figured I can do these scams better than they can. And then that's how my showbiz career started. Ari Gronich 1:45 So I want you to unpack for me one thing, I saw it on America's Got Talent, some magician, he was touching Simon's hand, or was it Simon's or I don't know, he was touching either Simon's or the other guy's hand. And then the other person's hand rate rose, because they were mentally connected with their psychic. So I want to unpack that because it always intrigues me. Not when you can pull stuff out of your jacket in weird ways that you can't see, but when are your sleeves or what, but when, when you can touch somebody's body and somebody else raises their hand. jonathan pritchard 2:27 All I can say about that is I am really good friends for more than a decade, with the guy who came up with that trick. So I will pass along your sentiments to him. But that is a trade secret that if you haven't spent a lifetime of self denial, alone in a room to learn those skills and techniques, you you don't have the experience and background to to handle those kinds of secrets. So I'm I'm really saving you from yourself there. Ari Gronich 2:59 Alright, so you're not the man in the black mask. That's I was just checking to see if you were the man in the black mask. jonathan pritchard 3:05 But know that given what that's Yeah, the the masked magician is is to be a really fascinating story. That's kind of insider baseball, trade secret stuff. But it's it's actually really cool. Because the the guy who came up with that idea, really loves magic. And the explanations for Season One, are really wacky. They're they're functional, but they're not actually plausible. They weren't actual secrets. He dreamt up most of the explanations, but the producers don't have experience in the magic world. So they don't know it's a fake explanation. So they were exposing imaginary secrets, which to me is a hilarious meta con. And it gets famous than they want to do season two, but it's kinda like, well, I'm out of ideas. So let's, let's call this off. They fired him. And that's the thing with a mask. Anybody could wear it. So now, season two and three, they were actually revealing the real work. But yeah, it's kind of when you when you try to control a beast you conjure, it's probably going to destroy you. Ari Gronich 4:20 Yeah, so, you know, that gets me to my favorite kinds of topics, which is, how is it that the audience, the people, the citizenry are so under the spell of the magician's of the systems that we're in, because psychologically speaking, it doesn't make sense to me. I can see it Why can't you see it? Right? It's like is my is my way of, of looking at it like I can see that big agriculture. Is poisoning our food? Why can't you see that? And why is it? Why is it okay? That you see it? If you see it? And don't care like Why? What is it about the psychology, the mindset of people, that allows them to be so duped out of doing actions that are in their own self interest that are in their own betterment? jonathan pritchard 5:30 That's a big question. Let me let me try to approach it with with this. Do you have your cell phone next to you? Yeah. All right, would you put it face down? In front of you? Yep. Right, because this, this is kind of an experiment to see how your brain works. And kind of based on the numbers, we look at our phones, at least a couple 100 times a day, right? If, if not more, whether you've got an iPhone or an Android, this is the same no matter what on your lock screen, we all see exactly the same thing, which is the time. So without looking at anything else, what exact time is it? Ari Gronich 6:21 I don't know, because I haven't been looking at I wasn't looking at it jonathan pritchard 6:25 exactly what you were expecting to see, and your fundamental values of what you're looking for prioritizes, what your mind will pay attention to you were, you weren't consciously aware of the time, but it was in your visual field. So you perceived it, but you weren't aware of it, because of what information you were looking for means that you're going to filter out everything that isn't your values. Ari Gronich 7:00 Obviously, you can't learn somebody's lesson, and nobody's trying to do that. But I can educate somebody on work, life educates them. And it's not about me, it's about what is in the world that people are seeing. So people see their family and friends dying of cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc. And they'll still eat massive amounts of sugar. and not worry about, you know, like not care not have a thought that says maybe the action that I'm taking is, uh, is causing the result that I'm getting. Right? So yes, it's them doing their own Kung Fu, but I'm asking what it is in their own mind. Not anything that I have to say. They're the one experiencing it, they got diabetes, and they're, you know, drinking the soda and eating the sugar. What is it about the mind that makes it so that they are or people in general are so willing to go against their own self interest? jonathan pritchard 8:10 Got it. There's a lot going on, that weaves together to reinforce that behavior. There's a lot that could be going on, too. So that's a difficult thing to nail down as well. But a big part of a lot of our behavior is that it serves some purpose and is some kind of strategy for need fulfillment. So in some way, their choices are the best strategies, they have to feel important to feel reassured to feel safe to feel connected, to feel valued. Even though it might be a bad strategy is still might be effective. And that's the best way that they know how to fulfill those needs that they've got. Ari Gronich 9:12 Yeah, just look at the history of that person. It's interesting. You know, that that explains why kids a lot are so willing to you know, eat fast food. I mean, I have kids that they're young. Oh, and you know, my my stepdaughters boyfriend said to me the other day because I asked him why he would be using the microwave, even though he knows that it's not good for him to use the microwave. He said, I'm young. I'm 20 it doesn't affect me right now. I'll be I'll worry about it when it affects me. Right. He's like, I'm like, Oh, really. So a small effect or a big effect. Right. An imperceptible effect is still an effect an effect You know, beyond, right, but I was I grew up I was a, I call myself a canary in the coal mine. Because I brain tumor when I was really young and, and symptoms of it that we never knew that it was there until I was 24. symptoms started when I was seven. So I knew that things that I did affected how I felt, right. And so I had a very conscious perception of that at a very young age that the actions that I'm taking, are causing a consequence to, to those actions. And it was immediate, right? It's not like, you know, you have a small gluten intolerance, that doesn't, that causes a minor inflammatory response, not a big one that causes massive stomach pain. Mine was more, you know, things were pretty evident to me. So I was very well trained to become interested in the actions and effects and actions and effects and down the line butterfly effect and things like that. So the question becomes, if the consequence is down the line? How do we get the consequence in their mind? Or how does somebody get the consequence in their mind that their path is leading that way? Because you can't tell a kid that when they're at, they're going to be bent over like this, if they keep looking at the phone all day like this, right? They're gonna be looking at their shoes, they're gonna go, I don't care. I'm straight up right now. Right? So I'm just trying to get like, how do we get the mind to work in a way that is for our benefit, instead of for the benefit of our habits and fears? jonathan pritchard 12:03 What's the saying the best way to move a river is at its source, the earlier you can change the greater effect it'll have over time. That's just how it works. An idiot can't learn from their own mistakes. A normal person will learn from their own mistakes, a genius can learn from other people's mistakes. Most normal people require multiple exposures to their own bad choices, before they're ever even aware of a choice being made in the first place. And the lesson will continue showing up at louder and louder levels, until it's at the limit of where they can be aware of it. Because the same level of thinking that creates that level of problems isn't going to change. So they can move, they can change environments. But that same decision making structure is still in place. So you'll make the best decisions you could make, which will create those level of problems that you're used to dealing with. So the consequences just keep showing up again and again until that person goes, oh, maybe I'm the problem here. And that sometimes can take a lifetime. Ari Gronich 13:27 Alrighty. Cool. Thank you so much for being here. It's been a great conversation. I know that the audience has gotten a lot of good, you know, just enjoying the conversation, but a lot of good actionable things that they can do to create their new tomorrow today. And so I really appreciate you, you being here. And thank you for listening. Thank you for participating. Remember to review and subscribe and rate the show, comment as you will because we love hearing the comments and being able to interact with you as well. So this has been another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. Thank you so much for being here, Jonathan, and good night.

In here we have with us as a guest today is Khadevis Robinson, one of the top track athletes on the planet ever. He was essentially from from from Texas, played football, ran track cross-country, the whole nine, and ended up going to CCU and winning an NCAA championship and ended up retiring in 2012 Olympic Games and started coaching after that. *Episode Highlights* *Khadevis* [00:01:43] Yeah. Just essentially from from from Texas, played football, ran track cross-country, the whole nine, you know, and end up going to CCU and getting track there and did some things that that somewhat proud of, I guess you would say, and ended up winning an NCAA championship. And what's blessed to be able to run professionally and move out to California, guess what? So you're not mad at it. And now to California. When I was living in Santa Monica, you know, ran for a good spell, probably lower than I anticipated. It went well. And no end up retiring in 2012 Rapide Olympic Games and started coaching. Coached originally at UNLV and did some high school coach, some open coach and prep professionals started on the collegiate coaching at UNLV then I would say Ohio State one year left and went to LSU for four and now back at Ohio State. This is going on my fourth year and it's been going it's been a good journey. May have been been writing, got a book out.., a non from another nonprofit, a nonprofit in Santa Monica. You track and run a club. And now I just write a novel called The Reading and Running Initiative, speaking and training and the whole night and just trying to use the tools and the gifts that got. God bless me. *Ari* [00:07:35] So you can either take the environment and the situations and the things that would otherwise cause you to paralyze yourself or and you can do something with it or you can stop it. So you know what to you, because, you know, I'd like to talk to you about both athletes and business and life in general. Right. So what about you? What you're saying can be translated from the track over to the office, over to the person in their home who's trying to live their life. Right. *Ari* [00:08:12] What can what can be translated from athlete's mindset to a life mindset? *Khadevis* [00:08:20] All of it. I'll let you know if you really got to study success, I guess you would call it right. And if you notice some, you start to notice that there's a huge amount of individuals from New York City that have been pretty successful. You still I mean, people that don't ask every walk of life. They're from New York City and they in a they always make it a point to break it up. I love New York City, man. And I'm talking about white, black, Jewish, Asian. It don't matter the race, no matter religion, Christian, Muslim, you know, modern USA. I'm from New York and they're saying something. And what they're saying when they say they're from New York, they're saying, I'm from a certain environment. I'm from an environment that if you don't if you're not tough and you don't find ways and you're not resourceful and you don't develop a skill set, you develop a tough skin, you don't develop different with the you're not gonna make it. And they're saying, because I came from that environment, once I've gone, I said it and finally it was easy, you know, and that's what it is. What happens there? I think some of us that come from. I come from. I come from. *Khadevis* [00:12:32] So think about this. I want people to get this this concept. So a lot of individuals, a lot of us, we don't want the world to be we don't want our world to be what it really is. In other words, when you're going through trauma, when you're going to hurt, when you're going through pain, your first reaction is to avoid that pain of what that hurt you avoid that trauma. Right. And it's like you don't want to face it and you want to. You want to daydream. You want to sit back. You want to wish you was different. And one of the things we have to do in life is resist the temptation of always wishing it was different. You know, that don't make you. You like it a lot. But that means instead of wasting time sitting there just hoping and wishing and looking at somebody else's life and saying, this is your life. This is what it is. Right. This is what it is. So we have to learn to use that. To move forward, so I gave an example. You say the environment. I use it to harden myself. Well, here's the reality. And I'm an amateur on the Bible. But in the Bible, Moses was talking to God and he was asking God about given that the chosen people out of Egypt and the pharaoh wouldn't let him go. And so Moses thought the God God said, tell them go. Most would go there and ask Pharaoh. Pharaoh, say no, Moses, come back. And guys, they tried this and most would go and try to loot, tricked Pharaoh and do the same thing. He was saying, thank God they did it back and forth. *Khadevis* [00:18:03] Right. So you didn't care about whatever happened in the race. So pick him up. And then I go back to my wife. My my my wife's distraught, crying. My coaches like Kate believe it. And I told Sports Illustrated. I told the reporter that interviewed me that if this was the worst thing to happen to me that year, that I'm a blessed man. So I went back to Santa Monica and I had to do that before. And two thousand. Two thousand I got four didn't make it. And I was in total shambles so that before I made so 2008, it wasn't my first rodeo. I'm not making it. So I live in Santa Monica, go down to Venice Beach, which is from where I live, was not far at all. And you hardly ever go there. I went down and I'm walking on Venice Beach is packed as the summer is packed. I haven't really close. I don't have on Miss USA, you know, Olympic stuff. I have. Oh, now I have regular clothes is packed. I'm walking an African guy who I know now is a close friend of mine. *Ari* [00:20:33] So what are the biggest obstacles that you've had to face that you see, you know, as an industry the athletes have to face? *Khadevis* [00:20:44] But for one, I know it's amazing. I tell athletes a time. I don't know if they just don't believe me. When you're a professional track and field athlete, you are professional for one, and you're a business. Two things really identify with being a professional professional. That doesn't mean you're professors because you're better than the majority of the world and you get paid for. That's that's that's part of it. What I mean is you're a professional. You know, there's not be expectation is the way you speak, the way you dress, the way you interact with individuals and ready to interact with people, the way you hold your you know, you have a contract doing your part in the contract. All of those things as a professional, you know, showing up on time. If you want to race, as you said, you want to run a race, run that race, signing autographs before after you've been a professional. So to me, it's a challenge because a lot of a lot of us just want to run. You know, we want to just do what we're good at and what we like doing. We don't want to, you know, necessarily have to do the other stuff before the race, you know, go and do these interviews or whatever. Some of us like it. Some don't. But that's the first day. So, you know you know, you have business and you your brain, you are a brand of yourself. Which means a lot of times you hear people getting frustrated and upset about saying what they feel like the sponsors didn't do for them. Listen, I'm pro athlete, meaning I'm always for the athletes rights and needs. Always. I was an athlete. *Resources and Links* * *https://CreateANewTomorrow.com* * *https://www.facebook.com/arigronich* * *https://khadevis.com/* * *https://www.facebook.com/Khadevisr* *Full Transcription* *Ari&Khadevis1.mp3* *Ari* [00:00:06] Has it occurred to you that the systems we live by are not designed to get results? We pay for procedures instead of outcomes, focusing on emergencies rather than preventing disease and living a healthy lifestyle. For over 25 years, I've taken care of Olympians, Paralympians, A-list actors and Fortune 1000 companies. If I'd not get results, they did not get results. I realized that while powerful people who controlled the system want to keep the status quo. If I were to educate the masses, you would demand change. So I'm taking the gloves off and going after the systems as they are. Join me on my mission to create a new tomorrow as a chat with industry experts. Elite athletes thought leaders and government officials about how we activate our vision for a better world. We may agree and we may disagree, but I'm not backing down. I'm Ari Gronich and this is. Create a new tomorrow podcast. *Ari* [00:01:06] This is our Ari Gronich, and we are back again with Create a new Tomorrow podcast. In here we have with us as a guest today is Khadevis Robinson, one of the top track athletes on the planet ever. Now, one of the top coaches and Khadevis. You know, you and I have known each other quite a long time. I think 2007 ish. Two dozen eights. Somewhere around there. When we met. Tell me. Tell us a little bit about yourself. And how come we get along so good, you know. But tell us a little bit about your history. *Khadevis* [00:01:43] Yeah. Just essentially from from from Texas, played football, ran track cross-country, the whole nine, you know, and end up going to CCU and getting track there and did some things that that somewhat proud of, I guess you would say, and ended up winning an NCAA championship. And what's blessed to be able to run professionally and move out to California, guess what? So you're not mad at it. And now to California. When I was living in Santa Monica, you know, ran for a good spell, probably lower than I anticipated. It went well. And no end up retiring in 2012 Rapide Olympic Games and started coaching. Coached originally at UNLV and did some high school coach, some open coach and prep professionals started on the collegiate coaching at UNLV then I would say Ohio State one year left and went to LSU for four and now back at Ohio State. This is going on my fourth year and it's been going it's been a good journey. May have been been writing, got a book out.., a non from another nonprofit, a nonprofit in Santa Monica. You track and run a club. And now I just write a novel called The Reading and Running Initiative, speaking and training and the whole night and just trying to use the tools and the gifts that got. God bless me. *Ari* [00:02:55] Absolutely. So let's see. You know, when you and I met, you had been to one Olympics and but you were the top ten for over a decade. Tell us a little bit about your mindset and what made that possible for somebody like you. Like, you know, I ask this of all elite people in general, like, how dare you? How how do you become you? Why is it that you were able to create yourself into this elite form of a human being? *Khadevis* [00:03:27] I think every individual have to have a skill set and a talent. So the first thing is recognizing you have the skill set and talent no matter what is seen to be saying. And that could be education. It could be sports. It can be whatever. So recognizing what that is. And secondly, once you recognize what it is. Make a decision, a choice, make a decision to say, OK, I'm going to use my talent and my gift. Right. And develop it, multiply and and share it. So I think what makes certain individuals what I would call massively successful core success is relative, right? I mean, we can look at someone that's making one hundred thousand dollars that is pretty successful. But what they could be making a hundred million. Right. You're still successful. What is like is relative. So when I say I'll say I'm massively successful, I mean, someone that is really doing tapping out what their skill set is. They know what their levels at so what makes them that is there is their mindset. I have a speaking series in which I go to certain organizations and groups and it's called Developing the Champions Mindset of Developing the Winners Mindset. And what that means is, you know, we all have a skill set. We all have what I call an inner Olympian in us in different fields. What makes the divide between the ones who are able to chase that and accomplish those and wants or not is the mind set? They haven't. They have one person. I look at a certain situation and come up with something negative. Was another person come up with some positive? Now, again, those are relative. So what I mean by that is right now doing this pandemic. There might be people saying, man, you know, I can't. You know, I can't run because, you know, he can't be in groups. You can't train. There's no races going on in. My season was cut short. They don't know me. I got you a break. War records. Now, why last night's two extremes? You got one person that's cut the season short. Not racing, not run. *Khadevis* [00:05:17] You had not person is breaking the world record because of the mindset. One person saw it as something that affected film, and the other person said, you know what? I'm a keep doing what I do. You know, God or the universe or whatever. Put me here to do certain things in a certain way. And I would just keep pushing forward. So to me, I think that's what is set. That's what sets certain individuals apart. *Ari* [00:05:38] It sounds like what you're saying to me and I'm just going to translate it into my language is one sees an obstacle as a complete and total barrier. *Ari* [00:05:49] And the other sees the obstacle, the same challenge, the same obstacle as something to hurdle over. *Khadevis* [00:05:55] Yeah. And that's it. As simple as it can guess. Yeah, that's it. Maybe the other person maybe the person sees it as a dare. Right. You know, like movies case am I say how dare you. I double dare you. Let me show you, you know, and most of us had that we was kids, you know, we did it with our friends. We did it our brothers and sisters. You know, I beat you here or I could do bednarz I can make better. Great. Whatever it may be. Somewhere along the line, a lot of us stop having that sport, you know, maybe because, we, we have some resistance and we fail, maybe lost confidence in ourselves. But the point I'm trying to make. Yes. Yeah. Other some people see that hurdle and they go man. That's pretty how I know if I can jump that. Well, the one that goes for he, he or she may still have that same doubt, a fear, but they don't let it paralyze them. Right. It's like the deer that sees the headlights and is one. I'm like, OK, we'll get it here. Right. And there's nothing I can do about this. So in a free and as a no. Selma, you here? I'm trying to get away. Right. You know, it's like they both seeing the same headlines. They both have the same fear. But one takes action. The other one don't. So, yeah, I think that's what it comes down to. And this is what Avery's paying in life. And it is such a cliche because people hear the same thing over and over again. Are you able to go through this? Yeah. You go through that. But I'm telling you is the truth. *Ari* [00:07:13] Yeah. So, you know, based on that, you know, I was talking to Dominic earlier and we were talking about some of his challenges. *Ari* [00:07:21] You know you know, Dominic, he he and you competed in the same track Olympics, I believe, around the same environment. But, you know, the environment can either make you or it can break you. Right. *Ari* [00:07:35] So you can either take the environment and the situations and the things that would otherwise cause you to paralyze yourself or and you can do something with it or you can stop it. So you know what to you, because, you know, I'd like to talk to you about both athletes and business and life in general. Right. So what about you? What you're saying can be translated from the track over to the office, over to the person in their home who's trying to live their life. Right. *Ari* [00:08:12] What can what can be translated from athlete's mindset to a life mindset? *Khadevis* [00:08:20] All of it. I'll let you know if you really got to study success, I guess you would call it right. And if you notice some, you start to notice that there's a huge amount of individuals from New York City that have been pretty successful. You still I mean, people that don't ask every walk of life. They're from New York City and they in a they always make it a point to break it up. I love New York City, man. And I'm talking about white, black, Jewish, Asian. It don't matter the race, no matter religion, Christian, Muslim, you know, modern USA. I'm from New York and they're saying something. And what they're saying when they say they're from New York, they're saying, I'm from a certain environment. I'm from an environment that if you don't if you're not tough and you don't find ways and you're not resourceful and you don't develop a skill set, you develop a tough skin, you don't develop different with the you're not gonna make it. And they're saying, because I came from that environment, once I've gone, I said it and finally it was easy, you know, and that's what it is. What happens there? I think some of us that come from. I come from. I come from. *Khadevis* [00:09:22] As long as I come from a hood slum ghetto by no stretch of the imagination. I'm, like, bragging about it now. I am not initially, proud of it. What is the reality? And just to be able to graduate from high school, just to be able to be living right now. You know, I had to develop certain skill sets and be, you know, persevere different things and face different challenges. And those things help you further along in life, you know. And there are some individuals that didn't have that didn't come from that environment. You know, it's like, you know, I have a friend named Holloran Merill. He's a he's a Navy SEAL. I was in it for 20 some years. Great guy. San Diego, and he talks about how his environment when he was a kid, helped him a little bit when he was a Navy SEAL becoming the kid, he was always in the water and swimming in outlet. So what he was trying to do at birth become a Navy SEAL that free of the water wasn't already there because he was in an environment that somewhat prepared him a little bit for what was going to come next. The same thing with us in life. Some people avoid those horrid situations in life as some people get in a mess and they don't get the message from the mess they don't get. They don't get their test the money from the test. And I think what happens is they want to think, OK, I'm just good in academics, I'm just good at sports, I'm just a good dad or whatever it is, not knowing that some of those skill sets, some of those obstacles are transferable. *Ari* [00:10:46] That's that's awesome. You know, I grew up in a way that was I considered to be. I had I had a dual world, right. I had the world of trauma and drugs and fights and all that kind of stuff. And then I had the world that I had very loving parents, but my parents didn't really understand what was going on. *Ari* [00:11:11] They worked really hard to create and do what they wanted to create. And do you know, they were working so hard and didn't really necessarily get to see all of the world that I grew up in. And it was Santa Clarita Valley. So you could kind of understand, as if by Magic Mountain, supposed to be, I guess, small town, you know, easy life. Right. But I wouldn't wish my life, so to speak, on anybody else. *Ari* [00:11:41] And yet I sometimes feel like. That hardness. Translated into some of my softness, you know, because I was able to take and transmute what was happening to me and say I want something better for other people. And so I'm going to be that something better for other people. *Ari* [00:12:07] And it sounds like you took a lot of the traumas of life and used it to harden yourself a little bit more so that you can could could compete with yourself to get better and better. So tell me about that process in your mind of how you did that, because that's something I think that the listeners would really get benefit from. *Khadevis* [00:12:32] So think about this. I want people to get this this concept. So a lot of individuals, a lot of us, we don't want the world to be we don't want our world to be what it really is. In other words, when you're going through trauma, when you're going to hurt, when you're going through pain, your first reaction is to avoid that pain of what that hurt you avoid that trauma. Right. And it's like you don't want to face it and you want to. You want to daydream. You want to sit back. You want to wish you was different. And one of the things we have to do in life is resist the temptation of always wishing it was different. You know, that don't make you. You like it a lot. But that means instead of wasting time sitting there just hoping and wishing and looking at somebody else's life and saying, this is your life. This is what it is. Right. This is what it is. So we have to learn to use that. To move forward, so I gave an example. You say the environment. I use it to harden myself. Well, here's the reality. And I'm an amateur on the Bible. But in the Bible, Moses was talking to God and he was asking God about given that the chosen people out of Egypt and the pharaoh wouldn't let him go. And so Moses thought the God God said, tell them go. Most would go there and ask Pharaoh. Pharaoh, say no, Moses, come back. And guys, they tried this and most would go and try to loot, tricked Pharaoh and do the same thing. He was saying, thank God they did it back and forth. *Khadevis* [00:13:54] So finally, mostly, OK, what am I need to do to tell his pharaoh? You know, he needed to let us go. Is that true? And isn't that Gaza? OK. Just try to do this. They said, listen, he's not going to last. Was important is hard. Right. But he at least tried to do it. So Moses goes and tries to put out a story. But here's what happens. People say, well, hold on, this doesn't make sense. Why would God tell Moses to go try it had a favorite let go and harden his heart. No. One, he's not going to agree to it. That's not fair. Why would he say he's hardened his heart, buddy? No, he's not. Well, here's what happens whenever we're in an environment and then whenever we make the decision to do good or bad. Once we do it, once it becomes easier to do it again. Once you give a homeless person five dollars once, it's easy to keep giving them five. But once you punch somebody once, it's easier to punch him twice a third time. Right. So from our environment, we can nationally become hardy or we can become soffit. Now the weight and direction goes is determined by if we're willing to face reality, if we become hardened and we face reality and understand we can use it for good. Then, yeah, we are hardened, but we don't go out and push nobody else to be haunted. And we understand that we are Horten. For our sales to shelter away from pain, but not to cause pain, and if we're suffering from some, we have to be swept up how to give that back and not to bring it in. So what I'm saying is best what happens is like we all get influenced by an environment, but it's up to us to recognize how we was influenced and recognize how we're going to share that with the rest of the world. *Ari* [00:15:29] That's awesome. So share with me your favorite memory of athlete. *Khadevis* [00:15:37] You mean high school? Middle school. College. Pro what? *Ari* [00:15:40] Yeah. You know, whatever. Whichever you'd like. Whatever your your most promising favorite memory is. *Ari* [00:15:49] You told me about what you told me about it last time we talked. So. *Khadevis* [00:15:53] I have I have three I don't know if I told you one about when I was in Falen ah my college, when I when I was a senior. *Khadevis* [00:16:00] Ah, you mean once when I told. *Ari* [00:16:02] You you told me both the Finland story and the one where you came in fourth. *Khadevis* [00:16:09] Oh yeah. That's not yet. You know it's ironic though. This is the story I tell people when I give speeches because it's the one that. Brought everything together. What I mean by that is, you know, I had been running and I had won a couple of national championships, made some Olympics and all this type of stuff. But when 2008 came about, I was in the best shape of my life, born. I was in. I was. Everything was click. And I had just had a son. And so to see them was going. Things were going well. The Prefontaine Classic. And I was in great shape. And I really, really, really felt that I was going to run fast. And when I got just I knew it and I was ready. And I got in a race and I ran well, I ran on top five times in the world. That guy came from second or third place, whatever it was or whatever it was I wasn't pleased with. I was. Best to say the least. So I went back home to Santa Monica and I trained the next day. I think about this is just round one, 40 for low travel. Random race. I work that after the race. It'll work out right after the race. And I went back to Santa Monica and I train the next day. Long story short, messed myself up. Go to the Olympic trials, essentially ranked pretty high in the USA. And right then once when the U.S. ranked top whatever in the world end up not making the team again. Fought with a die in Eugene, Oregon, you know. So just everything that could go wrong went wrong, you know. But what happened was I remember my son was there. My wife was there. I remember coming up, a track in total shock. Let's feel like I'm in some type of dream nightmare. Not able to even. Don't you have no time to absorb stuff, having to do interviews? And I remember my son Justin. I like their dad here. I knew, as you know, I was when I was good with daddy and, you know, signed. I left for a little while. He heard a lot of noise and I came back out. He's like, pick me up, dude. Is that what you do? *Khadevis* [00:18:03] Right. So you didn't care about whatever happened in the race. So pick him up. And then I go back to my wife. My my my wife's distraught, crying. My coaches like Kate believe it. And I told Sports Illustrated. I told the reporter that interviewed me that if this was the worst thing to happen to me that year, that I'm a blessed man. So I went back to Santa Monica and I had to do that before. And two thousand. Two thousand I got four didn't make it. And I was in total shambles so that before I made so 2008, it wasn't my first rodeo. I'm not making it. So I live in Santa Monica, go down to Venice Beach, which is from where I live, was not far at all. And you hardly ever go there. I went down and I'm walking on Venice Beach is packed as the summer

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Hi, I am Here with Jonathan Pritchard. He Founder of the Hellstrom Group; an international consulting company working with clients like BP, State Farm, United Airlines, and more. Focusing mainly on applied psychology in business, communication, and life. here is the full episode hope you enjoy. Listen in your favorite podcast app.  Ari Gronich 0:01 Has it occurred to you that the systems we live by are not designed to get results? We pay for procedures instead of outcomes, focusing on emergencies rather than preventing disease and living a healthy lifestyle. For over 25 years, I've taken care of Olympians Paralympians a list actors in fortune 1000 companies, if I did not get results, they did not get results. I realized that while powerful people who control the system want to keep the status quo, if I were to educate the masses, you would demand change. So I'm taking the gloves off and going after the systems as they are joining me on my mission to create a new tomorrow as I chat with industry experts, elite athletes, thought leaders and government officials about how we activate our vision for a better world. We may agree and we may disagree, but I'm not backing down. I'm Ari Gronich and this is create a new tomorrow podcast. Welcome back to create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich and with me today, and I have to change my voice for him because he is the magician Jonathan Pritchard. Been on stage with Chris Angel. He's been on stage in war times and good times. He's traveled the world learning the psychology and the experiential mindset of imagination design theory of mind. Jonathan Prichard, tell us who you are. jonathan pritchard 1:42 Hi, hey, glad to be here, man. Thanks for the rockin intro. I just always have to say I was backstage with Chris Angel. I haven't been on stage with him. I was strictly behind the scenes. I got that face for radio kind of thing going on. So yeah. Basically, my my background is I grew up doing magic tricks. When I was a teenager, I got interested in mind reading tricks. And that was my area of specialty. I met my mentor James Randi, who recently passed away, he at the time had a million dollar challenge to anybody who claimed to be genuinely psychic or have supernatural powers like that. Well, you show us then you get a million dollars. And I handled applications and designed testing protocol for that million dollar challenge. And that's when I saw every way that people were trying to scam their way to the money and figured I can do these scams better than they can. And then that's how my showbiz career started. So from there, I have traveled the world entertain the troops overseas, and consulted for some of those big names we'd all recognize. And I used the psychology and skills and principles to make Austin our long show. But I eventually realized, you know, it's nice distracting people from their problems for an hour. But these principles I use onstage can be used offstage to help solve those problems permanently so that you get more interesting problems. Like Alright, I like that process. And from there expanded out to the coaching and speaking and training and, and all that kind of giving people a peek behind the curtain. Look at how your brain works. So that's why I've been able to consult with fortune 500 clients and a whole bunch of training, stuff like that. But it all centers around just being fascinated by how people think. Ari Gronich 3:45 So I want you to unpack for me one thing. I saw it on America's Got Talent, some magician, he was touching Simon's hand, or was it Simon's or I don't know, he was touching either Simon's or the other guy's hand. And then the other person's hand rate rose, because they were mentally connected with their psychic. So I want to unpack that because it always intrigues me. Not when you can pull stuff out of your jacket in weird ways that you can't see. But when are your sleeves or what? But when when you can touch somebody's body and somebody else raises their hand. jonathan pritchard 4:27 All I can say about that is I am really good friends for more than a decade with the guy who came up with that trick. So I will pass along your sentiments to him. That is a trade secret that if you haven't spent a lifetime of self denial, alone in a room to learn those skills and techniques, you you don't have the experience and background to to handle those kinds of secrets. So I'm I'm really saving you from yourself there. Ari Gronich 4:59 Alright, so you're not The man in the black mask, I was just checking to see if you were the man in the black mass. jonathan pritchard 5:05 But know that given what that's Yeah, the the masked magician is is to be a really fascinating story. That's kind of insider baseball trade secret stuff. But it's, it's actually really cool because the the guy who came up with that idea really loves magic. And the explanations for Season One, are really wacky. They're, they're functional, but they're not actually plausible. They weren't actual secrets, he drempt up most of the explanations, but the producers don't have experience in the magic world. So they don't know it's a fake explanation. So they were exposing imaginary secrets, which to me is a hilarious meta con. And it gets famous than they want to do season two, but it's kinda like, well, I'm out of ideas. So let's, let's call this off. They fired him. And that's the thing with a mask. Anybody could wear it. So now, season two and three, they were actually revealing the real work. But yeah, it's kind of when you when you try to control a beast you conjure, it's probably going to destroy you. Ari Gronich 6:20 Yeah, so you know, that gets me to my favorite kinds of topics, which is, how is it that the audience, the people, the citizenry are? So under the spell of the magician's of the systems that we're in? Because psychologically speaking, it doesn't make sense to me? I can see it, why can't you see it? Right? It's like, is my is my way of looking at it. Like, I can see that big agriculture is poisoning our food. Why can't you see that? And why is it? Why is it okay? That you see it? If you see it? And don't care? Like why? What is it about the psychology, the mindset of people, that allows them to be so duped out of doing actions that are in their own self interest that are in their own betterment? jonathan pritchard 7:30 That's a big question. Let me let me try to approach it with with this. Do you have your cell phone next to you? Yeah. All right, would you put it face down? In front of you? Yeah. Right. Because this, this is kind of an experiment to see how your brain works. And kind of based on the numbers, we look at our phones, at least a couple 100 times a day, right? if not more, and you're often going to your main home screen to open up different apps and that kind of thing. So at least 50 ish times of those 200 times you're looking at your phone, you're seeing your home screen. And there are apps, there are widgets, there's a clock somewhere on there, who who cares, right? I want you to think about what icon or widget would be in the upper left hand corner of your main home screen on your phone that you've already seen 20 times today. Okay, so I need to think about what that is. And in just a moment, but not quite yet. Because there's a little bit of process to this. In just a moment. I'm going to turn it over, lighted up. unlock your phone. Check to see if you get it right or wrong. Lock your phone and put it facedown. Okay, well, you got to do so go for it. Got it. Right. Not open, not opening it, though. Well, you open up you unlocked it. But did you get the icon? Correct? Ari Gronich 9:17 I got the icon in the top left. Correct. jonathan pritchard 9:20 Outstanding. All right. So you're a very small percentage of the population. That actually gets it correct. But here's another question. Whether you've got an iPhone or an Android, this is the same no matter what on your lock screen. We all see exactly the same thing, which is the time. So without looking at anything else. What exact time is it? Ari Gronich 9:45 I don't know because I haven't been looking at I wasn't looking at it. jonathan pritchard 9:49 Exactly what you were expecting to see and your fundamental values of what you're looking for. prioritizes What your mind will pay attention to you were, you weren't consciously aware of the time, but it was in your visual field. So you perceived it, but you weren't aware of it, because of what information you were looking for means that you're going to filter out everything that isn't your values. So the values you hold, are your pre cognitive filter, to weed out everything that doesn't match what it is you're expecting to see. And that is a fundamental human process, our brains run off about the same amount of electricity that your your refrigerator light runs on. So you've got to have some shortcuts to be able to navigate this confusing thing called reality. So there are all sorts of assumptions and shortcuts and processes in place to help you not be frozen by having to evaluate every single detail that you could possibly be aware of. So within the context of a bigger issue, like agriculture, or whatever, within the context of your previous experience, you have logical reasons for the assumptions and beliefs that you have that build your filters for your future experiences, that will ensure that only the experiences that reinforce those beliefs are let through the gates. So any kind of knowledge or experience that could challenge those filters are kind of kept out before you're ever even capable of being consciously aware of them, because they passed you by 10 seconds ago, and you weren't aware of it in the first place. So if you're not aware of something, you can't use it, you can't leverage it, you can't apply it. And your mind actively is filtering out everything that doesn't align with what you're looking for. Ari Gronich 12:20 Okay, so I'm going to give you a scenario. You're your smoker. You go into a gas station. You see the cigarettes. You're an ex smoker. You still see the cigarettes. You're a non smoker. When I was a non smoker, I didn't see the cigarettes at all. When I started smoking I was, you know, young at the time, mind you. And when I stopped smoking, I still would see the cigarettes. When I started to identify myself as a non smoker, somebody who does not, I don't smoke, I'm not a smoker. I stopped seeing the cigarettes. I'd still go up to the counter. But I would see maybe, you know, if I liked chocolate bars, I'd see the chocolate bar instead of the, you know, the cigarettes. So that would be like a selective eyesight based on preconceived notions, right. So how do you go through life watching your family members and your friends and stuff have cancer and diabetes and heart disease and stuff and not have it be on top of your mind that you're seeing people sick, you're experiencing sick and not associating that sick with any of the habits, behaviors or situations in front of you. jonathan pritchard 14:04 You are the only person who can build your Kung Fu. I can't learn your Kung Fu for you. And trying to learn your Kung Fu for you is the fastest way to drive myself crazy. Because that's not how reality works. So you can do your due diligence, you can voice your concerns, you can try to express your viewpoint. It's just really difficult for you to force learning onto somebody. And that is kind of a fundamental communication issue. Really, which is why can't you see it my way? It is so perfectly clear to me. Why in the world Can't you see it my way. And in one perspective, your domain Finding that they become the mind reader to see the world through your mind. And they haven't spent a lifetime studying human psychology and communication theory. So expecting them to be able to do these things that are nearly superhuman is trying to measure them with your yardstick never going to happen, what you can do is try to put it in, in terms that they can relate to, so that you could at least feel understood, but you can't learn their lesson for them. Ari Gronich 15:36 Obviously, you can't learn somebody's lesson, and nobody's trying to do that. But I can educate somebody on work, life educates them, and it's not about me, it's about what is in the world that people are seeing. So people see their family and friends dying of cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc. And they'll still eat massive amounts of sugar, and not worry about, you know, like not care not have a thought that says, maybe the action that I'm taking is a is causing the result that I'm getting. Right? So yes, it's them doing their own Kung Fu, but I'm asking what it is in their own mind. Not anything that I have to say. They're the one experiencing it, they got diabetes, and they're, you know, drinking the soda and eating the sugar. What is it about the mind that makes it so that they are or people in general are so willing to go against their own self interest? Got it. jonathan pritchard 16:48 There's a lot going on, that weaves together to reinforce that behavior. There's a lot that could be going on, too. So that's a difficult thing to nail down as well. But a big part of a lot of our behavior is that it serves some purpose, and is some kind of strategy for need fulfillment. So in some way, their choices are the best strategies, they have to feel important to feel reassured to feel safe to feel connected, to feel valued. Even though it might be a bad strategy is still might be effective. And that's the best way that they know how to fulfill those needs that they've got. So in a way, if they solved those problems, what you're saying is that you're going to remove their strategies to scratch those itches, and to have those needs filled. So you can't really get rid of those strategies, you have to be able to find better strategies to achieve the same outcomes. So that's, that's at the heart of habit changes in in behavioral change, is recognizing what is this doing for me? What am I really getting out of this? And are there better behaviors that will serve me more effectively with fewer downsides. Another angle to that is, most people are using really bad strategies to make change. So the entirely logically consistent belief is that change is impossible. Or change is really difficult, when it's really a measure of an awful strategy that is ineffective to begin with. So then, if everything I do doesn't work, well, then I guess there's nothing that can work. So there's that angle of it. There's another angle, which is sometimes you don't see the negative impact right away. And it's, it's kind of one of those Buddhist things of, you're not punished for your anger, you're punished by your anger. Just the very nature of being angry is itself a damaging experience. That kind of idea. So if, if you're not at that level of discernment and awareness of the impact of your emotional state, your choices it's very difficult to recognize this behavior is immediately bad for me. But most People wouldn't be able to see the effects until it's much, much later. And by then, it's very difficult to tie what action created this outcome. And without that immediate feedback, there's, there's no consequence. I'm doing all these things, and I'm getting away scot free. And it's like, if you're training a dog, you're training a puppy, it needs immediate feedback that that was the right thing to do reinforce that, that was the wrong thing to do. Do not reinforce that. But our cause and effect timeline is from our perception. So distant in time. It's really difficult to relate the consequences to those actions we took last week, six months ago, two years ago. And therefore it gives us the false impression that our actions don't have consequences. And then when the consequences do come do you're going, why did this happen to me? What? Why your universe? This is so out of left field, there's no reason this should happen to me. Sure. Okay. Try selling that somewhere else. I'm not buying it. Ari Gronich 21:26 Yeah, just look at the history of that person. It's interesting. You know, that explains why kids a lot are so willing to you know, eat fast food. I mean, I have kids that they're young. Oh, and, you know, my, my stepdaughters boyfriend said to me the other day, because I asked him why he would be using the microwave, even though he knows that it's not good for him to use the microwave. He's like, I'm young. I'm 20. It doesn't affect me right now. I'll be I'll worry about it when it affects me. Right? He's like, I'm like, Oh, really. So a small effect or a big effect. Right, an imperceptible effect is still an effect of, you know, beyond, right. But I was, I grew up I was a, I call myself a canary in the coal mine. Because I brain tumor when I was really young, and, and symptoms of it that we never knew that it was there until I was 24. symptoms started when I was seven. So I knew that things that I did affected how I felt, right. And so I had a very conscious perception of that at a very young age that the actions that I'm taking, are causing a consequence to, to those actions. And it was immediate, right? It's not like, you know, you have a small gluten intolerance. That doesn't, that causes a minor inflammatory response, not a big one that causes massive stomach pain. Mine was more, you know, things were pretty evident to me. So I was very well trained to become interested in the actions and effects and actions and effects and down the line butterfly effect and things like that. So the question becomes, if the consequence is down the line, how do we get the consequence in their mind? Or how does somebody get the consequence in their mind that their path is leading that way? Because you can't tell a kid that when they're at, they're going to be bent over like this. If they keep looking at the phone all day like this, right? They're gonna be looking at their shoes, they're gonna go, I don't care. I'm straight up right now. Right? So I'm just trying to get like, how do we get the mind to work in a way that is for our benefit instead of for the benefit of our habits and fears? jonathan pritchard 24:16 What's the saying the best way to move a river is at its source. The earlier you can change the greater effect it'll have over time. That's just how it works. In idiot can't learn from their own mistakes. A normal person will learn from their own mistakes, a genius can learn from other people's mistakes. Most normal people require multiple exposures to their own bad choices before they're ever even aware of a choice being made in the first place. And the lesson will continue showing up at louder and louder Levels until it's at the limit of where they can be aware of it. Because the same level of thinking that creates that level of problems isn't going to change. So they can move, they can change environments. But that same decision making structure is still in place. So you'll make the best decisions you could make, which will create those level of problems that you're used to dealing with. So the consequences just keep showing up again and again until that person goes, oh, maybe I'm the problem here. And that, that sometimes can take a lifetime to come to Ari Gronich 25:42 right. So that sounds a little bit like the horse I know is better than the horse I don't know, kind of thing or jonathan pritchard 25:49 it's, it's that beautiful BF Skinner is is a fascinating character to me. He was a behavioral psychologist and an operant conditioning. So we've got Pavlovian conditioning, which is very straightforward. Ring Bell salivate, okay, it's now the bell ringing is associated with food, therefore, the food trigger happens with the bell. Okay, very straightforward. BF Skinner took that a little farther. And what he did was, this part's a bummer, he would starve pigeons to like 75% of their body weight, so they're very food motivated. Okay, he puts them in a little cage box, and there's a lever that the bird could pack. And then food drops out. Very simple, classical conditioning setup here, where if bird hits lever, then food drops out. And very quickly, the bird fingers spat out, kind of go, oh, if I want food, I hit the lever. Okay, my, my input is required for food output. Awesome, I got it. This box is the limit of experience for this bird. The birds context. The whole thing is the box. That's it. bf Skinner's context is the laboratory. And Skinner changes the logic of the box from the lever to an interval of time set to random. So it might be five minutes, this time, it might be 30 seconds next time, totally random. To drop out the food. The food is no longer connected to the to the lever. The bird lacks the contextual awareness to realize that that change has been made. So within the context, the birds experience, food drops out. It's logical belief is I needed to do something for that food to drop out because I've seen that happen 100 times already. So I guess now whatever it was I was just doing is the thing that I need to do to get the food to drop out which at that point was looking over my right shoulder. Okay, so let me let me try that out. I'm going to try this hypothesis looks over my right shoulder and nothing happens. Mm, okay, maybe I didn't do it hard enough. This time, boom, I look over my right shoulder and food drops out. See I knew it. I knew it was looking over my shoulder. You now have a superstitious pigeon. Straight up superstitious pigeon. From its experience, that is a completely logical belief system that is in alignment with its reality. But it's it's not real. But it makes sense. So the bird can't think outside the context of its experience. So back to the question you asked. It's that a person who doesn't expose themselves to new ideas to other perspectives will always be limited to their pre existing structure of assumptions, that the only logical outcome will always be the same belief and decision making. Those are the decisions you make that are your best strategies that will always result in the kinds of problems that you're used to dealing with. Because the problems you're used to dealing with are a result of the quality and strategy of your thinking. So without changing that fundamental structure, you can't help but end up at the same conclusions, the same problems. And those problems are there as a as just a blaring, like foghorn of, Hey, this is the natural consequence of being you right now. If you want better problems, you've got to change the way you think about your opportunities, your relationships, reality, the only thing that can change is your relationship with reality. SATs when you get cooler problems, that's when things change. But that's why you're not going to level up when you're making the same choices. And like, I've had that happen my own life, the best idea I've got. It keeps playing out over two to three years. But I wind up in exactly the same positions, exactly the same problems. It's just that the actors are different, but it's exactly the same script. I'm the only common denominator here. So what am I doing to create these experiences? Okay. Ari Gronich 31:22 So that's, as I said, that sounds a lot like, you know, the saying, Why am I always attracting the same thing in relationship? or Why am I always attracting the same experience in business? Why, you know, why does this happen to me over and over again? Right, I hear that question a lot. I know that, you know, for me, in business there, there's always been a lot of ups and downs, because my experience was, when my parents, when I was young, my parents got into business with somebody, and he ended up stealing their entire business and everything from them, to where we had to move out of my house, we had to the house, my dad actually had built, we had, you know, we were left with nothing and, and had to rebuild. And so I learned, people are unreliable, they will steal for you, if they have an opportunity, they'll take advantage of you if you're nice. Right? So I have all, you know, it was like all these sets of beliefs that would then later on in life, it didn't happen. When I wasn't in business, it happened only when I went into business, but later in life, I start, you know, I recreated those things. Right. So then the question becomes, how does one when they get that awareness that that's happening, then what are some of the techniques they can use to then shift that perspective? Like some actual tangible techniques, if you if you have any, but to shift the so that, okay, I recognize that pattern. I don't like the pattern, but I don't know how to stop the pattern. So how do we how do we get to that stop the pattern and then to the shift into a new, more healthy or what, you know, cleaner, kind of Yeah, jonathan pritchard 33:29 it goes back to the cause and effect, that is such a difficult thing to do, because that pattern might happen six months earlier, before its consequences are loud enough for you to be able to hear them. And by then it's difficult to recognize the state you were in six months ago that led to the choices that led to the six months later consequences. So it's, it's really difficult. This is not easy stuff. It can be simple. Once you understand that it's fairly direct, and it makes sense. But it doesn't mean it's easy. Another thing is to recognize that these are the beliefs, behaviors and systems of decision making, that you've had for a lifetime. And you've had that long to get really good at thinking that way. Thinking is a skill being you is a skill. making the choices that feel right is a skill. And the more you make those choices, the more natural those choices feel. And that's a big part of why you keep making them. Because this is clearly the best way to make this choice. This is clearly my best option. This is the one that feels right. feels right because it's the one you're most familiar with the one you're best at doing. That's why it's the best. It kind of takes a genius to be able to wake yourself up. It's very, very useful to have a mentor, or some external third party person who isn't living in the same context as you are. So that they can recognize those patterns before you do to be able to give you those pattern interrupts of, Hey, why are you doing it that way? What do you mean? I'm, I'm doing it that way. I'm not doing it that way. Yeah, you're you're actually right in the middle of doing it that way. Look, exactly what you're doing. Oh, my god, you're right. I, I am Wait, what? How did I get here what's happening, right kind of wake you up in the middle of that, that natural process. And a big part of it is recognizing that changing your behavior is not going to feel natural. Every instinct you have will tell you that this is wrong. And that this is not the right way to do things. And it will feel like you're dying is basically it. Because what's dying are those ideas that are living in the energy of of your imagination in mind, that are feeding off your decision energy that keeps them alive. So those ideas are going to fight tooth and nail to make sure that you don't kill them. But that's what happens when you start making different choices. You're starting to give that energy to new ideas, the old ideas are not going to go quietly into the night. So just recognize that doing a better strategy. At first is going to feel more uncomfortable and unfamiliar than riding a unicycle and juggling fire. Just know that that's part of the process. Ari Gronich 37:17 That sounds like fun, actually, I'm a Burning Man guy. So I like juggling fire and jonathan pritchard 37:23 a reason I have the the fire juggling tattoo. Ari Gronich 37:27 Absolutely. So So then the question becomes to change your habits. Sometimes we need to change our circumstances, our environment and the people we're around, right? Because we're around people who are like we were or like we are but not like we want to be necessarily. So the uncomfortability that people tend to have when it when it when they're changing or when somebody is changing around them. And the pullback though, the the crab box, you know, like we always are pulling people down instead of lifting them up. So you've got to find people who are where you want to go. Right? And that way you have those mentors and those people who can point out to you and say, so the question becomes at that point, why would those people want to be around you? Because they have to, they have to decide, am I going to mentor this person, I'm going to, you know, beyond our current culture of everybody's a coach and pay me and I'll help you, right? Everybody's, I'm a mentor. But if you have to pay me 50,000 to mentor you. It used to be that was just like, the way that we grew up in the world was we would you know, somebody above would take somebody below and say, Here, come with me. And let's go do this together. Let me teach you let me train you. Let me see. But and, you know, you get the idea that in this current world that we live in, it's difficult to find somebody who's at that level that says, you know, like Andrew Carnegie saying to Napoleon Hill, I will mentor you, you just, you know, go right about it, learn about it. Let's do this. Right. So how to that kind of? Well, you heard the question. jonathan pritchard 39:41 Yeah, there are a couple very, very subtle distinctions that that I think are important to, to nail down. Which is you're right, the crab bucket mentality and people dragging you down because you're useful reassurance. They're to say, like, whatever they're getting out of you being the you You are now, you'll be taking that from them by changing your situation. So there's that to be aware of the danger. The caution I want to pin down is, wherever you go, there you are. And if you make the mistake of believing, changing your environment alone, is what's needed for you to be different you that will quickly turn back into the you, you're used to, because you brought you with you wherever you went, right. So wherever it is, you go very soon, way faster than you think you are making the choices to recreate exactly the same dynamic you ran away from in the first place. So a change of environment is a useful pattern interrupt to hiccup, so that you can take stock of my natural next instinct is to do this. And that way, the same patterns are there, the environments different. So that gives you a chance to recognize those patterns. So that's why it's useful for environment changes. But changing your environment doesn't change you. You bring yourself along with you. So there, that's just kind of the one of the distinctions I want to make, which is, you can't run away, you're not going to go to a new city and start all over again. And things will be different this time. No, six months later, you'll be right back in the same same spot. So the next detail is about well, how in the world do you get a mentor, especially nowadays, the internet and that kind of a thing. Having an in person mentor is awesome. Having direct relationships with them is awesome. But books are the world's best thinkers throughout all written history that you have to learn from. And it's getting mind reading lessons from the world's most effective people. So they have generously distilled a lifetime's worth of valuable insight into a couple of 100 pages that you can read in eight hours. So that same 50,000 hour $50,000, you would need to pay to sit down with Mark Cuban or whoever, for eight hours, you could buy it for five bucks on on Kindle. So there's that angle to it. The other angle is why in the world, with some world class achiever want to hang out with a loser like me. That is a very logical belief, that is a very reasonable thing to keep you away from making those connections. totally makes sense. Doesn't have to be real. But it's logical. And that's the real thorny part of this. All the stuff that's gonna derail you. totally makes sense. It feels right. It's it's logical. Like, yeah, you just built a great case for why this will never happen. But look at that, dude, he shows you that it doesn't have to happen, it can go a different way. So I like to kind of explain that idea. In the context of I just did my mind reading show 70 minute migrating show comedy bringing people up on stage in front of a roomful of people. That's a very uncomfortable situation for a volunteer to be in. But I helped them feel like a million bucks. I set them up for success. I can calm them down, build that rapport, that trust very quickly, the whole whole nine yards. So you do the show. Standing ovation. Okay, I've had some of those to definitely had some of those. So, afterwards, there's going to be three types of people that come talk to me. The first one is going to say, How did you do that trick? Tell me that trick with the hands and touching the hands. How does that work? And then I say it's a mystery. Oh, man, it's woof. Isn't that a good trick? Huh? That's that's level of their interest. The second person will go You know, I've always been interested in mind reading and mentalism and the psychology of humans and, and I'm just super fascinated about it. And then I go Okay, what what books have you read? Like, oh, I, I don't even know where to start. I go, Okay, well, here's a good book to check out. Here's a good book to check out. Here's a good resource, your library 790 8.3 or 790 3.8, whatever, whatever that number is, is the Dewey Decimal number for magic and in games. That's it at libraries. It's sitting right there at your county library. been there for decades, same books since 1950s. Alright, so gave them their lead. The third person will go man, that was a great show loved it. I've been interested in mentalism. And I've read this book. And this trick in that book is my favorite, but I just can't get it to work right? Then I go, I'm sorry, everybody. autograph line is done. I'm going to have to hang out this person, because try to shut me up. Walking that person through. Okay, so your thumb is a little like it's two millimeters away from the perfect position. Now, put it right here. It doesn't that feel like oh, yeah, I can do the thing. So there are a lot of people who demand the answers, go find them yourself. A lot of people want answers, here's where to find them. Here are the answers I've already been searching for, and been trying. And here, here, the frustrations I've had. I'm going to mentor that third person, that third person has already demonstrated that my time is not going to be wasted, by virtue of them already doing what it is that they need to do to win. So coaches want to coach winners. They don't want to they don't want to coach losers, right? You just don't. So make yourself valuable, demonstrate that you're coachable. Don't Don't argue with the person who's already been doing this for 30 years, and can do this in their sleep. So fight the urge to argue with the person who is provably better at doing these things than you are. Because I'm not interested in debating. I'm not interested in arguing. I was a I was competitive debater in high school and college, through all of it. I was a competitive debater, that was the fun time for me to do that. I'm no longer interested in that I'm now interested in creating and building and giving other people the tools and techniques and strategies to build success for themselves. That's what I'm interested in. If you're interested in arguing with me about that's not the way I see it, great, then I don't need to mentor you. And a lot of people make themselves unmaintainable by by fighting to keep their old ways of losing that they will they will give everything they have to hold on to the way they've always done it. And why in the world? Am I going to care more than they do about their problems? So no. So do what you can with what you got. And just do that day in day out. And that's how you show that, hey, I will actually take to heart what you're going to teach me and I want to implement what it is you can show me. The other side of that equation, though the cautionary side is nobody. And I mean, no human being can think outside the box. When somebody says we need to think outside the box, they don't know what they're talking about. Because we're all pigeons in that cage. The only thing you can do is crawl out of your box into somebody else's slightly larger box. The instant you start applying their strategies and advice, you begin building their box. So if the person giving you advice is living a life you wouldn't trade for. ignore it. That's the final litmus test of would I give up everything I have to live the life that persons living. If not, you can completely ignore the advice they're trying to give you because the moment you start listening to it and In making those decisions that are in alignment with what they would do, you're going to start getting the same consequences they do, whether that's getting fabulously rich and wealthy, maybe that's getting rich and wealthy and a horrible home life and their wife hates them. consequences are positive and negative. They're just the natural byproduct of the decisions you make. So make sure that the consequences are worth what they're going to cost you, which is everything that you have right now. Ari Gronich 50:33 Yeah, I call I call it I talked about that in my book with the butterfly effect. I call it nuanced thinking and and, you know, following a path, it's the same thing and operational planning is, what are the actions and then what are the consequences to the consequences to the consequences to the consequences of the one action that was all the way back over here. And, and sometimes it's good, I tell my son, actually, you know, like, there's consequences to everything. If you're late for, you know, get in your car, when it's parked at a parking meter, you're going to get a ticket, if you don't do your homework, it's, you're, you're going to have a consequence, if you do your homework, you're going to have that consequence of learning and growing and changing. And I try to give him that kind of a philosophy. He's seven years old, but he is so smart, so he can understand the words that I'm saying and what I'm telling him. And, and yeah, I find I find that to be really fascinating. What I also find fascinating is how few people even recognize the consequence to their action, long after the action is done, or right away, you know, and what you said earlier is is true that sometimes that consequence comes much later. And it's harder to put the start point of the origin with with the answer. But, you know, Jim Rohn, used to say, you can, you know, you plan, like, say a five year plan. And you say, here's the goal, here's where I'm going. And then within five years, you get there, you're going to get somewhere in five years, you can either have go to a well designed location, or an undesigned location. Right. And so the the consequences of your actions today are five years down the road, it's, it's a way so just backtrack, the goal backtrack, what you want to do. I also like the the conversation that you're talking about needs because everything every action is a response to get a fundamental need met. And I don't think myself included, that majority of people actually write a needs list for anything that they do specifically. So whether it's a relationship, they might say, here's a trait list I want in the person, but not a needless, what is it that I need from a relationship? What is it that I need? From my business? What is it the lifestyle, the need of the lifestyle I want to live What's the need of the health I want to have? And, and and bringing it back to that is that would be a fundamental way to shift the actions is to recognize Okay, here are my fundamental needs which may or may not shift at some point as you grow older and and so on. But it's an interesting thing. I have you know, you brought up things like mentalist you know as far as a profession What do you think of the TV show mentalist or psych or even lied to me? You know, where, where they're talking about body language and what what intrigues me is the amount of information they can gather from the body language and so forth. Do you have any techniques or skills that help somebody become more observant of their surroundings become more and it kind of goes back to that phone thing that you talked about earlier when you had me look at the phone to become that hyper focused where you can see the nuance of an environment? jonathan pritchard 54:40 Yeah, I I am not being trite. I am being ultra literal here, which is they are able to notice so much because they read the script. And I mean, to say Sat. The body language narrative is a useful tool to instill the belief that I can do things that you can't. It's predicated on a fundamental misunderstanding of reality, though. If you were to press any of these body language experts, they the the Balian mode, kind of like, Oh, I'm going to advance this. And then when you attack me, I'm going to retreat to my mode. Right? That process is they claim to be a body language expert. And here's, I know, because here's how human body language works. that argument, though, is founded on the belief that there are universal displays of human emotion, that a smile is always a smile. A frown is always a frown. In that kind of a thing. There are zero, universally applicable human displays of emotion. They are always contextually relevant. Always. So there's, there's no one behavior, that always means the same thing. To put it simply, that fundamentally undermines the entire structure that these body language experts build their, their life on. Right? So then they retreat to Well, I don't I'm not saying that, Jonathan, I mean, that I'm just really good at reading the situation. So why are you taking a two second clip from a three hour conversation? And then espousing that I have a rocky relationship with my my dad? Like, it's it's all hogwash. It's made up. It's, it's modern day phonology. It's tarot cards. It's Barnum statements. So I fundamentally disagree with a lot of body language experts, and the entire structure of their business. Having said that, within the context of a performance, a mind reading show, I'll use that as a useful narrative. To give my audience something to hold on to that explains how I'm able to know these things about somebody when the real method is I stole the information somehow. So it's a useful narrative, to give your mind an explanation. And once your mind has an explanation, it stops looking for the explanation. Ari Gronich 58:09 Right? You're placated. jonathan pritchard 58:10 Yes, you go, I need an answer. Here you go. Oh, I have an answer. Now, my worlds okay. He waved his hand and snapped his fingers. That's how it worked. It sounds stupid when it when you say it out loud in your life. I know that can't be what it is. But your non conscious mind, the mind that filters out the experience, the one that operates off of a lifetime's worth of Yes, how it works, totally buys it totally buys it. So that that's my cautionary tale, which is to say, be aware of those assumptions, that you know what's going on? Because a little knowledge is really dangerous. Ari Gronich 58:56 Right? So the one I hear a lot is your arms are crossed, right? Mm hmm. Yep. Closed to this conversation because your arms are crossed. And so you're closing off and saying no, yeah. Yeah. You know, I could be cold. I again, like Like you said, I could be cold and you know, I could be cold. I could be just like resting on on my belly, you know, place to put my hands I can be as you are, you know, just comfortable and leaning on the, you know, jonathan pritchard 59:29 yes. My chair doesn't have armrests. I gotta, Ari Gronich 59:32 yeah, I don't have them. If I were to read body language. If I were to go by this script, so to speak, I'd say you're closed off right now. If I were to go by my intuition, I'd say he's relaxed. He's open in the conversation. He's having a good time. He's making eye contact. You know, even with the camera, not with me, but you know, I mean, yeah, that's, that's an nuanced way of looking at it versus a prescribed way of looking at it. Right? jonathan pritchard 1:00:05 Right. The Yeah, the the, the way that it works, where you can build it to help you is number of times you've been in this certain kind of dynamic. I've been in my show more than 1000 times. And I have 100 times 1000 data points of picking somebody who's actively scowling. And so within the American context, within the smaller context of my show, within the even smaller context of my audience, in the smaller, smaller context of that audience member, over the years, when I pick somebody who looks like that, my show tends to go wrong. It tends to go very poorly, because 10 times out of 10, I go, you know what, Jonathan, maybe you're just reading too much into this. Maybe he's just cold baby, he's, so let me bring him up. And then every time I bring that kind of person up, that they are not a good experience for the show. And as a steward of the experience for my audience, I'm doing my audience a disservice by picking that person again and again. So what what you can do is look for the baseline of what that person's normal is, then your pattern recognition will be real good at being able to notice deviations from that, that normal. So that's why it's really difficult for a magician or a mentalist to successfully execute a trick with their best friend or family members, or people that spend all day every day you go, I am the great Jonathan Pritchard from and they're like, Jonathan, shut up, I changed your diapers, man, like just stop it and be like, they they know the affectation, right? From the everyday me. So if there's some sort of tick, or weirdness or tension in my shoulder, because I'm uncomfortable, because I'm about to do the tricky move, they will be able to feel that difference. Even if they're not able to point out, Hey, your your right shoulder came up as you were dealing, you need to be aware of that, they'll still be able to go there was something weird. I don't know what it was. But that didn't. I didn't feel like magic that felt like you were trying to do something. And then if I can pull it off with a family member, I know that that skill is is locked down cold, we go all right now there's no chance an audience member is going to be able to perceive that difference from my baseline. All right. Ari Gronich 1:03:16 Right. So I used to do, I'm a hypnotist certified clinical hypnotist, apparently hypnotherapist and I did take the stage course and how to do stage hypnosis. And I'm, I'm pretty good at at picking the right person that is going to be inducible. And, and stuff for fast. Induction Right. Which, by the way, a fast induction is not as fast as it looks, because everything that they said every bit of what they did before they did the induction was the induction. So just as a cautionary tale. But what I was I you know, I've not ever been able to do is somebody who knew me for more than a year. I could never get if, if I if I knew them for more than a year. They knew me they weren't they were they were just wanting to prove that I couldn't do it. Right. Versus versus the opposite. So I totally get that. That's kind of like, you know, the horse, you know, again, the horse you know versus the horse you don't know. When you don't know something. You can be surprised by it. When you know something and absolute. There's nothing to surprise you. So being in the place of allowing a surprise is the place of being curious. And the place of being curious is wanting to have knowledge that you do not currently have or Wanting to extend the knowledge that you do currently have, right? So jonathan pritchard 1:05:04 absolutely. Ari Gronich 1:05:05 So in your line of work, you know, like the things that you do on a daily basis besides the practice besides the stage performing? What is it that you what is like, if there were three things or four things that you can point to that you tell all of your clients that you say to all of the people that are kind of recurring themes? What are those recurring themes that, that you absolutely, you know, that are absolute for you. jonathan pritchard 1:05:45 Learn Kung Fu. Really, all of what we're talking about is concrete. And physics level true. And you learn that the first time you get punched in the face. I don't care what your mindset is, I don't care what your vision board is, I don't care what your motivation was, I don't care how you were feeling. I don't care what you wanted. I don't care what you intended to do. None of that matters, because you just got punched in the face. And you realize that none of that stopped it from happening. And your instructor who loves you enough to punch you in the face, is teaching you something extraordinarily valuable, which is none of that other stuff matters. If you can't even get out of the way of what's happening to you. So learning to control your base layer, your physical layer of reality is step one ground level for being able to affect any other kind of change at more and more abstract levels. So, learn how to stand, learn how to be balanced, learn how to move in a coordinated fashion, in a disciplined system way. The process of developing that skill set is kind of a holographic or fractal or multi level application, however you want to put it, the process of learning that level of it will be the context that you can now apply to your emotions, or your thoughts, or your breath, or your energy or your time. All those other more abstract levels are more difficult to manage, than learning to stand up, right? So having a physical discipline is your most valuable context to explore all these, what sound like abstract ideas, but really, their fundamental truths that you can prove to yourself by virtue of learning how to not get punched in the face. So everybody goes, Oh, Jonathan, what should I do about this? I'm feeling this way or that and then you can always bring it back down to if somebody were trying to punch you in the face in this way. What would you do about it? Well, they shouldn't be punching me in the face. Well, they are. You're fighting reality right? Now. You're refusing to accept what is real. And only by perceiving what is real? Can you do anything about it? So that doesn't matter right now. They're punching you in the face? What are you going to do about it? Well, I don't want them to punch me in the face. That's a logical thing to feel. And that's not going to stop them from punching you in the face. Their fist is coming at you. It's even closer now. Because you've wasted time wondering why they're doing it, and how it makes you feel and why they should or should not be doing this. And none of that stuff matters. What do you do about it? So that, to me is the world's fastest way to cut through all the chicanery and the the whatnot, that's holding you back from doing things differently than how you've always wanted to do them. Because in that context, you can try out those strategies. That usually takes six months to play out. It can take half a second, and then you try it again, and it still doesn't work. Then you try it again, and it still doesn't work. You try it again. And it works even worse that time. And you're proving to yourself, oh, my best strategies are actually pretty awful. So maybe I should think about doing things differently. Okay, teach, what do I do in this situation? All right, well, you got to make sure you maintain your balance, you got to coordinate your structure, you have to move in a United Way with intention. That's the only way that you can interact with reality and survive contact. So, so legit, have some sort of physical practice, and self defense, or martial arts or whatever, is the most fundamental rock solid foundation that you can build from. Nice, yeah, Ari Gronich 1:10:51 I've been a martial artist since I was five. I used to work with the PAL program in Santa Monica. And just kind of funny story is, we were we were training. The pal program is the police activities league. And we were training a bunch of kids that were part of the program. So we teach them school stuff, and then, you know, mentor them on school, and then we would teach them martial arts. And for that privilege, we got to do some adult play with the cops. So we, you know, gun takeaway weapons works and things like that. And I was, I was training one of the the newer adults in, in the class, in self defense. And basically, he was doing a punch to the face, but he would do an angle, so he wouldn't be coming towards my face. Right. So he was not allowing me to block or to do anything, because I could just stand there and I would never get hit. So jonathan pritchard 1:12:07 do me a favor, right? Ari Gronich 1:12:08 I would tell him, you got to hit me in the chin, you got to go straight for my chin was straight for my chin straight for my chin. And eventually, he did. And he hit me square on the chin. And I was like, I just said, Good. Now you're getting it. Right. He didn't want to work with me again. I want him in the gym. But I'm like, you have to do the movement towards the person in a way that's reality based so that they can in reality go to the defense of themselves. Right. So anyway, it's just an interesting story that goes along with what you're saying. And the chicanery. And as we heard people say, the mishegoss, which means meetings, the craziness of it all. You know, it is actually a really good thing for people to do is train their body to be in a battle. I mean, the benefit is that the majority of people who are who learn martial arts will never get in a fight ever, in their life. Because the aura that they put off the the positioning of their body that the way that they stand and walk just says to people, not the person for me to mess with, right. So it's not about enjoying the fight. It's about the persona, the personality. You know, I tell people, I think we need to get people back into a draft of some sort, whether it's military draft, or civil service, some kind of Peace Corps, it should be a mandatory thing to serve the country and create that kind of level of care for the community and society around you. Right. But also, the discipline of the military is is a good aspect to learn as long as you're not losing yourself in the process.You know, yeah, you've got to have a system that sets you free, rather than a system that creates a robot clone of somebody else. Right. And what I loved about Bruce Lee was move like water, you know, like water is you move like water, you flow like what? No set discipline, all of them mix together and then put into action. weigh that anything that comes at him, he's ready for because he didn't train to be rigid, he trained to flow like water. And so you know, good in your mind as well in your body. But what you were saying, you know true that in many cases it starts in the body, the body creates the environment for the mind to thrive. If you have an unhealthy body, you're going to have probably an unhealthy mind or at least a less healthy, less optimized mind. So what would you say? If somebody was at your show? And they start heckling you and telling your tricks from from the audience? What is you know, like, that would be to me a punch in the face, right? So how, how would you because I want you to kind of demonstrate a punch in the fight face and you know, a swerve kung fu is like Aikido is kind of like, use their energy. Right? So how would you How would you deal with that? I wanted to liven it up a little bit. jonathan pritchard 1:16:19 Yeah. One of my kind of Wing Chun Kung Fu, sayings comes to mind, which is the best self defense is to not be their second best is learn Kung Fu. In a way, I just don't show up for that. So at a more fundamental level, I don't get hecklers anymore. Because I don't design my show in a way that encourages them. And I, I, it might look like a punch to somebody else. It might look like a heckler to somebody else. I just see them trying to hug me real good kind of reframe of what's happening. So very rarely do I ever get somebody who's genuinely heckling. Most of the time, if it's a show stopping event, and it's derailing the experience, it's mainly because that person drank too much. And they lacked the context to understand their way of interacting is not helping everybody have a good time. So there's that part of it. And I want to meet that person with love. And that's another angle to the martial arts thing, which is, you don't have to be angry at your opponent. And it doesn't even have to be an opponent. Sometimes the people you love the most are the closest with the most opportunity to hurt you. And you can't slam their head into the wall, in self defense. So you've got to be really skillful at maintaining your boundaries and your safety, while maintaining the physical well being and emotional well being and intellectual well being of the people you care about. So your natural instinct doesn't have to be annihilate this person. Most performers, and especially comedians, that's their deal, man. I had a heckler last night and I got killed it man, I just shut them down. I'm bares them in front of their wife. It was awesome. Right? Like that's their go to is to meet that interaction with destruction. It's that's not my jam. I've designed my my show, my two day workshops, my keynotes, everything essentially follows this same formula, which is right up front. Greet the audience with warmth, and genuine love and appreciation. Because I know how I make a living is an absolute gift. It's an honor, and a privilege. And the moment I take that for granted, it's all over. So I can't ever be a diva. I am supremely appreciative of the way I get to live my life and have built it. So there's that. So when I walk out on stage, that's the vibe. I playfully accentuate the Yes, yes. You don't know it yet. But I deserved every bit of that applause Thank you, thank you, that kind of thing. They kind of go, okay, he he's got a sense of humor about it, but he's confident I get it. So that's a good establishing line. thin, I do things that the audience can't do. Just right up front. All right, everybody. Let's try this thing together. And then I can do it. Nobody else can. And without saying it explicitly, I say Look, I can do things you can't. And the audience gets it because they just watched it happen. They go against you could do things I can't All right. He's, he's the guy that can do things. I get it. Okay. So that gets communicated right up front. And I need to fulfill that expectation that the audience has. We're gonna see a guy who could do things I can't. That's what they want to see happen, right? Like, that's almost literally what they're paying money for, is to see a guy read minds, I can't remind. So this dude says he could read minds. He better reads minds, man, right. So you have to do what they're expecting to fulfill that checkbox. All right, I got my money's worth. I came to see my greeting show. What do you just did some cool stuff. All right. Everything from here is gravy. I want that done as quickly as possible. Because then I shift to Yeah, yeah, it all makes sense that I can do these things. Because I've spent a lifetime learning to do them. I learned to juggle fire when I was 13 years old hammer nails at my nose when I was 15. Eat fire when I was 18. I've got a whole laundry list of weird skills. And none of that is unexpected. Because I'm the dude on stage here. To me, it's more interesting. To help you guys see what you can do. The whole rest of the show is me being the facilitator of making the audience members, the stars of the show. They are the agents of action. They're the person that predicts the future. They're the person that that does everything. So everything I do is focused on highlighting them as the important person. And now I'm kind of like the talk show host. Sure. Everybody knows this Johnny Carson show. Everybody knows it's Jay Leno. Everybody knows it's Letterman. Those are the names. But they're interesting because their guests, and you watch the show, because the interesting conversations they have. So now who's going to heckle me. Because I'm just there to make their friend look good. And now if there is a heckler, or somebody who is interacting in a not okay way within the confines of this performance, I am now in a position to stick up for my friend who's on stage. And I go, Listen, man, this is not easy to do. This is a scary spot to be in. And my friend right here is doing a phenomenal job. And I'm not going to let you steal this moment from them. So if you can't respect that this person is doing something very difficult, right? Now, I'm going to ask you to leave. Because we don't do that here. And then they go, Oh, I didn't know I was being that kind of an idiot. And you're like you were being that kind of an idiot. So I'm giving you this one opportunity, explicitly outlining what behavior I expect from you, which is to sit down, shut up, and clap when it's time. That is the appropriate way to interact with the show right now. That kind of thing, right? The number of times that I've had to do that infinitesimal compared to the number of times I haven't had to do that. But when you structure your show that way, it's no longer Look at me because I'm the cool man. And now it's a contest of wills. That's just inviting the alpha male in the audience who has the identity of I'm the most interesting person in this room. Right, like, and now that Jonathan guy is making me feel threatened, because my girlfriend is watching him instead of me. And now I need to lash out and I need to attack. Oh, it's fake. You're a phony, right? That's the root of that heckling, is threatening that person's identity as whatever. So I don't come out claiming to be the thing that would threaten them. And suddenly that behavior doesn't happen. Ari Gronich 1:24:14 So let's translate that as as kind of the last bit of cool advice. let's translate that to business and life. Right? So you have a template when you go on stage. People don't have a template to live their life, but they can make one. So give us some some hints on how somebody can make a better template. Well, I'm not going to qualify it with better or worse but can make a template for their life. That creates audience participation versus the kind of heckling and interaction right? So lifes participation going with your template versus being a thorn in the template. jonathan pritchard 1:25:10 It's cliche, but for a reason it works. Which is to be more interested in other people than being

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Hi, I am Here with Jonathan Pritchard. He Founder of the Hellstrom Group; an international consulting company working with clients like BP, State Farm, United Airlines, and more. Focusing mainly on applied psychology in business, communication, and life. Hear it live on Monday at 6 Am for the full episode in your favorite podcast app.  jonathan pritchard 0:00 So the entirely logically consistent belief is that change is impossible. Or change is really difficult when it's really a measure of an awful strategy that is ineffective to begin with. So then if everything I do doesn't work, well then I guess there's nothing that can work. So there's that angle of it. There's another angle, which is sometimes you don't see the negative impact right away.

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Hi, I am here with Norman Plotkin, He is Certified Clinical Hypnotherapist with a medical emphasis as well as cancer wellness and recovery as an integrative medicine modality. Also certified for hypnotherapy in pre- and post-surgery, pain management, PTSD, smoking cessation, sleep, stress, anxiety and more. How I can help you: Cancer Recovery; Surgery Preparation, Smoking Addiction, Drug Free, Pain Free, Emotional Release, PTSD Therapy. here is the Highlights of the episode hope you enjoy. Listen to the full episode in your favorite podcast app. Ari Gronich 0:07 Welcome back, everybody. This is Ari Gronich with create a new tomorrow. We are here today with Norman Plotkin. He is a hypnotherapist and author a coach. He's been a health committee consultant for the California Legislature representing California physicians, his own private lobbying firms and nation states. And this is something I really want to talk to him about, because I love government so much, as you all know. So I just wanted to put that out there that he has been one of the evil ones. Maybe we'll see lobbying in our nation's capitol? I don't know. We'll see. We'll see what that that tells us. So Norman, why don't you tell us a little bit deeper about who you are, why you became who you are. And and this journey of going from a legislature and consultant to transitioning into clinical hypnotherapy? I mean, this is crazy. It's crazy talk, you know, what most people would consider. So let's, let's just get into it. Norman. Tell us about yourself and how you became who you are. Norman Plotkin 1:15 Yeah, a long strange trip. It's been right. So I, you know, I grew up on a ranch and I didn't go to college right away, I went in the Marine Corps. And then I got out of the Marine Corps, and I worked in the oil fields and rock plant where I made little rocks out of big rocks, like Fred Flintstone and, and then I was doing construction line work, climbing telephone poles thinking that the world looked up to linemen, and to some extent they do, but I ran into an experience, my brother was killed in a car accident, and I reevaluated everything, and I shut down what I was doing then and went back to college. And I was in a hurry, because now I'm 25. And feeling behind. And so I went to community college, I did speech and debate and Student Government transfer to the university and graduated in three years, with a bunch of internship credits. And because I, you know, went to school in Sacramento, where the capital was and, and galis internships, the government chair on my exit interview, looked at the number of 18 units of internships that that'll never happen again, you know, I said, well, then everybody has now why you come to Sacramento, right? So, at any rate, I got within the first semester, I got a job as a clerk in the state assembly. And from clerk to consultant, I ran campaigns, I became a committee consultant, that I was hired by the Medical Association to lobby to lobby doing that for several years and then and then struck out on my own and had my own lobbying firm. Ari Gronich 2:56 Actually, I'm gonna interrupt you for a second, I have a question about that. You are a marine. Now you're learning meditation? Where did those two things combined? Because I know a lot of Marines I know a lot of Navy SEALs, and they're meditating constantly during during conflict. I mean, that's how they get through the conflict. Did you find that there was any correlation there between the meditating and and your experience in Marines? Norman Plotkin 3:27 Well, the, the power of the mind. And the things that led me get, you know, helped me get through my experience as a marine was were the kind of things that led me to hypnotherapy. It wasn't until later that when I learned how to meditate, that I realized I was using breathing techniques. Before you know the navy seals, teach box breathing, you know, five seconds in five seconds out five seconds in five seconds out building a box. And I know that now, but when you're in it, I didn't understand it at the time. What I needed to do was get control of my overactive mind. I was faced with, you know, life threatening disease, and it's never just about the cancer in my marriage didn't survive that. You know, all the things I've worked so hard for my big house, my fast cars, all these things that I thought were important really weren't. But it's in that transition where you think you've losing the things that were important to you. That make that makes it difficult. So I learned to breathe and learn to meditate I learned era Aveda and my dosha and how to eat for my dosha and I learned a lot about myself. And then teachers began to appear. I read Wayne Dyer the power of intention. Carolyn meese anatomy, the spirit, Deepak Chopra is quantum healing. Joe dispenza. So many just began to appear my interest moved in that direction and I really the power of intention when Wayne Dyer I saw him speak in Pasadena in 2015, very powerful saw Carolyn nice at the same time, Joe dispenza. And I really wanted to put myself into the service of others, it became a serious thing. And so I walked away from the lobbying thing, I shut down the firm I moved to LA. And, and initially, I had taken a job as a as executive director of a trade association, which was akin to what I've been doing. And after a year of that, it, you know, I just, I didn't renew the contract. And I began to look in a new direction and I was led, I was led to I was looking at coaching and I saw this one program where the psychologists they said, Well, you need to get an edge add hypnosis to your coaching program. I said to myself, well, I thought that was fairly interesting thing, but I wasn't gonna go to a one week deal. So it turns out, the nationally accredited college of hypnotherapy is right there in Los Angeles. I was in Burbank, and it's in Tarzana. And I met somebody who'd gone. And I signed up. Ari Gronich 6:04 Nice. I noticed as I stated to you, before we started recording, I saw you and I went to hypnosis motivation Institute. Both went there and got our clinical hypnotherapy, certificates and so on. And it's a great school. This was the This was the first school for hypnotherapy in the country. Now, there's, you know, tons of them, I don't think any of them are, are quite as good as as HDMI. But tell me something, when when you were deciding to transition into coaching and deciding to transition into the consulting, you know, you've authored three books. What did you decide? Was the point of the three books? Like, each one, I'm sure has its own point. But how did you how did you decide the passion that you would put into those that content into those words, because a lot of people want to write a book, but they don't know if that book is going to sell, they don't know if it's going to be read, they just are passionate about putting their brain onto paper. And so out of the enormous amount of experience that you have, how did you decide those? Because I think all three of those made number one bestseller? Is that correct? Norman Plotkin 7:33 Two of them are bestsellers, the other was brand new, so Ari Gronich 7:36 Okay, two of them are our bestsellers. So, you know, tell us a little bit about the content of the books and what it is that you're trying to teach people? Norman Plotkin 7:46 Sure. So I always wanted to write a book. And it's getting to that focus place where what what's the story, you want to tell what what's the value to the reader. And so I tried really hard for three years to write a book about the cancer experience, and I got nowhere. So I hired a coach, I, I attended the author, incubator program, and having the ability to focus, you know, I, who knew that I was unsuccessful for three years, because I was trying to write more than one book at once, you know what I mean? So getting really clear on who my reader was, and what my message was, was the upshot of having a coach who's helped, you know, literally 1000s of people write books. And so it became the, the cathartic memoir of the cancer experience. And so I was able to organize it into the seven proven steps to healing and recovery. So that was, that was the first book in it, and it felt really good and and it's really about a message of hope. And that for people when you're in the middle of it, you've got the skin in the game and you really need to be your own captain. And that's the take charge. Ari Gronich 9:10 Yeah, so I want to know what that what these seven proven steps are. Because so I was people a lot of people don't know, I used to be on the advisory board for a long time of a cancer nonprofit called marathon and miracles and we were mostly alternative healthcare and and we would help people get solutions that were not necessarily the chemos and the radiations and the toxins and the and the medicines and pills, but things like Gerson you know, protocol with coffee enemas. I mean, these are the things that people don't know that they really really want. A drink Doritos, herring, a juice, drinking bitter green juice, right. That was something that people don't know that they don't want. So yeah, what are the what are the seven proven techniques and let's just go one by one and then kind of talk them out. Norman Plotkin 10:08 All right, I've done Gerson, I've done Granny, Granny Smith, apple juice, you know, three days, nothing but, and those, those are powerful. Those are powerful methods. But the seven steps begins with radically change your diet. We have what's known today in America as the sad. Yeah, the standard American diet. And it's making people sick, processed foods, high fat, fast foods. It's really important to eat, to live and eat foods that are not processed. And so there's a whole there's a whole chapter on it, but a high level is Eat to Live and so radically change your diet. Ari Gronich 10:56 Right. But Americans love to live to eat. Not not Eat to Live. Yeah. And, you know, they're unwilling to forego the fried chicken from Kentucky Fried or, or the MSG from places, you know, I mean, they're unwilling to do that. So how do we explain this in a way that somebody can say? I'm going to do that, because that sounds a lot better than having my organs eaten from the inside out. Right. Norman Plotkin 11:27 So yeah, I mean, I deal with people who smoke cigarettes and the package on it says, Surgeon General says this could kill you. And they do it anyway. So. So that's one of the chapters to the subconscious mind, I'll get to that in a second. But because you know, change is hard to change. One thing in your life is hard to change seven things is nearly impossible for some, so radically change your diet, learn to meditate. getting control of your self talk is super important, because you're listening, and so is every cell in your body. So meditation, and getting control of your active mind, the mind can be the master or the slave. Ari Gronich 12:07 Towards the end of this conversation, I just wanted to lead it back there because I want people to have tricks and tools and tips and things that they can do to make their life better, to make their communities better to make the relationships more rich and vibrant and lively. So that suicide is not even in their consciousness as an option. Because they always know there's somebody out there to help, there's some kind of hope, some kind of thing that they could do. And so I wanted to bring it back there. And I want you to just talk about that a little bit. You know, as a subconscious, mindfulness healing coach person, I know that that this is some of the stuff you have to deal with every single day. Norman Plotkin 13:01 Love is our birthright. Love is God energy. Love, energy equals God, energy, whatever, by whatever name you call God, the divine. Having love in your heart space is your birthright. It's why you're here. And so, so often people wonder, why am I here? Why? These are all lessons, we're here, we signed up our soul. souls are eternal. We live we are eternal souls living a temporary biological existence in this very dense frequency that's known as Earth and emotion that lives here and people souls come here to learn about emotion because this is the only place that exists in the universe. And so each of these things are a lesson. I often find myself when I'm in my next embarrassing moment. Let me learn the lesson quickly. And, you know, what's, where's the lesson? Let me learn it quickly find the lesson, learn it quickly move on to my next embarrassing moment. But as long as we see it that way. You know, I mentioned earlier about the email I got from the guy who read my book and and credited the book with you know, having five months of chemo holiday and I, I asked myself, why did I get cancer? Why Why me? at all, this is great live, I thought that was great. Like, why did I have to get cancer What's the meaning of the cancer was to push through to find my true essential purpose in life, to be in the service of others using the power of the subconscious mind leading with love. And when I realized that the message of my channel Answer was to pull me out of a cesspool, and put me into a loving space helping others. When people leave my office, they float out of here feeling bad. And that just that lifts me up. That's, that's my reason for living. And so the pain of the cancer, emotion, emotional and physical. The fear was to direct me to my essential purpose to my soul's purpose. And once I realized that and stop asking why, why did this happen? Well, it was a lesson that I needed to learn and look what I learned it. Thank goodness, I did. And I did I learned it and it brought me to my soul's purpose. And so when you see that, the pain is a lesson. Then you dedicate yourself to learning what is the lesson here? making a game? Now it's a game, what is this pain? teaching me? What What should I learn so that I can move to the next lesson? That's what life is. It's a series of lessons. And if we get hung up on one, and give up, then what is this is what leads us to what's the purpose of life? Well, you forgot what the purpose of life was, you forgot that it's a series of lessons. So get in the game, and learn the lesson and move on to the next one. It may be painful, you may skin your knees. It may hurt your feelings. But do you know your life? And you do then what's the lesson here? Let me learn it quickly so that I can move on to the next lesson. That's why we're here. We're here to learn lessons so that our souls can evolve. If you get hung up on this is painful. You missed it, there's a lesson. And you missed the point of life. And when you remember, if you just fix in your mind that the point of life is to be here and to learn lessons and for our soul to grow and expand. And in so doing it expands others by our example. Right. And so it's in this way that we give meaning and value to our life. By understanding that this pain, there's some there's a lesson remember my favorite, oh, my favorite. The little boy who goes down the hallway and opens the door to his room and is full of horse poop. Nobody said there's a pony in here somewhere. So you see what I mean? Right? So, so bringing it bringing the discernment from your gut, to discernment. From your gut, what to then ask the question, what's the lesson here? Let me learn it quickly so I can move to the next lesson. The next lesson may be painful, accept it, accept that it may be painful, and learn it too. And at some point, the sun begins to rise. And the lessons are less painful. But now you're a teacher. Now you've had your shamanic journey, and now you're become a teacher for others. And that's what mine and yours I hear your story. And I've similar, you know, there was a there was pain, there was pain, and I've I've surveyed all of the all of the major religions I've tracked in in Nepal and studied Buddhism at the monkey temple. I, I my, my girlfriend is from China. And we study Taoism, you know, you talk about wanting to come to this country I have. She's a doctor of traditional Chinese medicine. And you know, she came here from China. And I know a lot of her friends who come here from China, they people are eager to come to this country, it's still the things that it was founded on, are still so using our discernment and keeping love in our heart space. And understanding that what may seem painful is a lesson and asking to learn the lesson quickly so that we might move on to the next. This is the meaning of life. Ari Gronich 19:07 That's awesome. All right, three, count them three tips, tricks, actionable steps that can be immediately implemented. For anyone listening to this. Norman Plotkin 19:24 Well, I have to apologize. We recovered them in this wide ranging, but I'm going to recap them here for you. Cool. Bre Bre, Bre breathe in through your nose and out through your mouth, do the box breathing if you need to. These are tactics that they teach people who are in high stress. And so breathing resets the autonomic nervous system. So anytime you're in a moment of stress. Deep breath into your nose, Ari Gronich 19:52 caveat not your mouth. I have a caveat for that. Breathe in hose, not in through your mouth when you breathe in through your mouth. you excite your adrenal glands. When you breathe in through your nose, you calm your adrenal glands, thereby taking yourself out of fight or flight and into a more balanced, relaxed state. It's really good, by the way, for people who have massive anxiety disorders, Norman Plotkin 20:18 absolutely enter the nose out through the mouth. Number two is love. Love is your birthright, it resides in your heart center. And if at any moment you don't feel that you're feeling loving, in your heart center, you're feeling fear. And that fear can be get so many other negative emotions and all it's really as simple as fixing in your mind, an icon that represents love for you, and then just imagining it in your heart space and bringing yourself into a place of love. Now, I in my spiritual journey, I have I have done, I have done a number on my ego, it used to be pretty big when I was a lobbyist. And I have reduced that ego to a very, very small now I just want to help people in the shortest amount of time, and there has to be going to be really good at what I do. But so in moments where I feel that ego creeping back in, I just come back to a place of love, I see a red rose, I see my little girl's face, you know, there are these things that just bring me immediately, my holding my mom's hand as she breathed their last breath at night, I was able to take her through hospice, and that just that moment, she brought me in, I escorted her out, and I was so grateful for that opportunity. But these are the things that represent love. And I bring that and fear melts away. So fear, love, not fear. And it's really as easy as that. And the third thing is back to Dr. Frankel, you are so powerful, and you leak your power, the moment you react to somebody without thought. So remember, between space, the space between action reaction, stimulus and response is your power. Because you get to decide what kind of human being you want to be those three things. They don't cost any money. They're easy to remember. And the upside for you is immeasurable. Ari Gronich 22:11 That's awesome. I have I like to add caveats to things, I have a thing about ego. Because I don't think that ego is this nasty thing that everybody seems to think it is. To me, the nastiness is when the ego is above the commitment, thereby pushing the commitment down. When you have it the other direction and your commitment is here. And your ego is pushing your commitment. To me, that's where you want to be. Because you want that ego, that identity, to push your passion to push your commitment forward. To be competitive with yourself not with others, but with yourself to be better you every time. And your commitment is here. So that ego is is the power that's underneath. It's like the wind beneath my wings, right? So the egos that wind, but my wings is the commitment. Norman Plotkin 23:13 Absolutely everything. Everything serves a purpose. And so, I mean, my business is Norman black in hypnotherapy. I mean, you can't remove myself from my ego and I'm pushing, I'm pushing my commitment. It's the same thing with liberty and responsibility, right, my Liberty ends where yours begins. And I enjoy Liberty because I have the responsibility to to you know, use it in a positive way. Right. So, absolutely. We don't want no ego. We just want in check under our commitment. Ari Gronich 23:46 And so, Norman, how can people get ahold of you if they want to get ahold of you? Norman Plotkin 23:51 I'm at Normanplotkin.com. And Normanplotkin.com. I'm on LinkedIn. Norman Plotkin Inc. Facebook. Norman Plotkin Inc. Instagram, Norman PlotkinCHT. All at Norman Plotkin for Twitter. I don't use that one very much. But Ari Gronich 24:11 is there a lot of you because I know there's no more Oregon inches on the planet other than this one. So there's Is there any potkins? Norman Plotkin 24:20 There are, believe it or not. There's a dentist in Monterey. There's a couple of attorneys. Yeah, there are other Norman potkins tune in you know, my grandfather came from the Ukraine in 1903. Turns out it means fisherman you know, the Black Sea there, you know that a lot of them. So at any rate, yeah, there are but none of none of them are hypnotherapists Ari Gronich 24:42 gotcha. All right. So audience if you'd like to get ahold of Norman you can reach him at Norman Plotkin got anywhere.com basically anywhere you. You want to look social media wise, Facebook or Norman plotkin.com. So I really enjoyed this conversation. Norman. Thank you so much for being You hear and you have given a tremendous value to our guests or to our audience. And I appreciate it. Thank you so much. And this is Ari Gronich. This has been another episode of create a new tomorrow where we are teaching you tips and tricks to create a new tomorrow today. Thank you so much for being here. I look forward to the next one.

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Hi, I am here with Norman Plotkin, He is Certified Clinical Hypnotherapist with a medical emphasis as well as cancer wellness and recovery as an integrative medicine modality. Also certified for hypnotherapy in pre- and post-surgery, pain management, PTSD, smoking cessation, sleep, stress, anxiety and more. How I can help you: Cancer Recovery; Surgery Preparation, Smoking Addiction, Drug Free, Pain Free, Emotional Release, PTSD Therapy. here is the full episode hope you enjoy. Listen in your favorite podcast app. Ari Gronich 0:00 Has it occurred to you that the systems we live by are not designed to get results? We pay for procedures instead of outcomes, focusing on emergencies rather than preventing disease and living a healthy lifestyle. For over 25 years, I've taken care of Olympians Paralympians a list actors in fortune 1000 companies, if I do not get results, they do not get results. I realized that while powerful people who control the system want to keep the status quo, if I were to educate the masses, you would demand change. So I'm taking the gloves off and going after the systems as they are. Join me on my mission to create a new tomorrow as I chat with industry experts, elite athletes, thought leaders and government officials about how we activate our vision for a better world. We may agree and we may disagree, but I'm not backing down. I'm Ari Gornich. And this is create a new tomorrow podcast. Welcome back, everybody. This is Ari Gronich with create a new tomorrow. We are here today with Norman Plotkin. He is a hypnotherapist and author, a coach. He's been a health committee consultant for the California Legislature representing California physicians, his own private lobbying firms in nation states. And this is something I really want to talk to him about because I love government so much, as you all know. So I just wanted to put that out there that he has been one of the evil ones. Maybe we'll see lobbying in our nation's capital. I don't know. We'll see. We'll see what that that tells us. So Norman, why don't you tell us a little bit deeper about who you are, why you became who you are. And and this journey of going from a legislature and consultant to transitioning into clinical hypnotherapy? I mean, this is crazy. It's crazy talk, you know, what most people would consider. So let's let's just get into it. Norman. Tell us about yourself and how you became who you are. Norman Plotkin 2:13 Yeah, a long strange trip. It's been right. So I, you know, I grew up on a ranch and I didn't go to college right away, I went in the Marine Corps. And then I got out of the Marine Corps, and I worked in the oil fields and rock plant where I made little rocks out of big rocks, like Fred Flintstone and, and then I was doing construction line work, climbing telephone poles thinking that the world looked up the linemen, and to some extent they do, but I ran into an experience. My brother was killed in a car accident, and I reevaluated everything, and I shut down what I was doing then and went back to college. And I was in a hurry, because now I'm 25 and feeling behind. And so I went to community college, I did speech and debate and Student Government transfer to university and graduated in three years, with a bunch of internship credits. And because I, you know, went to school in Sacramento, where the capital was and, and galis internships, the government chair, on my exit interview, looked at the number of 18 units of internships that that'll never happen again, you know, I said, Well, this doesn't everybody is not why you come to Sacramento, right? So, at any rate, I got within the first semester, I got a job as a clerk in the state assembly, and from clerk to consultant, I ran campaigns, I became a committee consultant. Then I was hired by the Medical Association to lobby to lobby doing that for several years, and then and then struck out on my own and had my own lobbying firm. And I love the strategy. You know, as a Marine, former Marine, I've loved the strategy. I love the politics, I love, but not so much the politics, but you have to understand the politics to understand how to get to the policy. I love the strategy and the, you know, the development of public policy. So I did that. And it was a lot of fun. It was intense at times, the money and the politics, it's just, it's the unsavory part that in the end, when I had my own firm, I represented oil, automotive and energy, but it was small oil. You know, I had the California independent Petroleum Association, and it wasn't big oil. And I had, you know, the automotive aftermarket And oftentimes, we fought with the big car companies right and, and energy at the energy service providers against the monopoly utility. So so on, you know, on its face, it looked like I had all of the old you know, the the The power industries and whatnot, but it was really the underdog, guys. But at any rate, after 25 years of that it made me sick, the stress the the dirty politics, you know, that I tried to stay away from but it's, it's ever present. And so I had cancer, I had papillary carcinoma, and I had a radical thyroidectomy and lymph node resection, and that, you know, I just wanted to get back to normal. And I didn't realize at the time that normal my normal was what made me sick. And so that began what's been eight, nine years spiritual journey and awakening. And so what after it came back six months later, I had to have another round of radiation. I began to reevaluate a friend of mine had gotten out of politics and opened a yoga studio, she took me through therapeutic yoga for cancer. She taught me how to meditate, which, you know, the, the, the tools, the gifts, I was, given my mind, you know, the, my analytical mind was great for the things I've been doing. But it's very difficult to get past in order to, you know, to do real meditation. And so, I have a, I Ari Gronich 6:21 actually, I'm gonna interrupt you for a second, I have a question about that. You are a marine. And now you're learning meditation. Where did those two things combined? Because I know a lot of Marines I know a lot of Navy SEALs. And they're meditating constantly during during conflict. I mean, that's how they get through the conflict. Did you find that there is any correlation there between the meditating and and your experience in Marines? Norman Plotkin 6:52 Well, they're the power of the mind. And the things that let me get, you know, help me get through my experience as a marine was the kind of things that led me to hypnotherapy. It wasn't until later that when I learned how to meditate, that I realized I was using breathing techniques. Before you know, the navy seals, teach box breathing, you know, five seconds in five seconds out five seconds in five seconds out building a box. And I know that now, but when you're in it, I didn't understand it at that time. What I needed to do was get control of my overactive mind. I was faced with, you know, a life threatening disease and it's never just about the cancer in my marriage didn't survive it. You know, all the things I've worked so hard for my big house, my fast cars, all these things that I thought were important really weren't. But it's in that transition where you think you've losing the things that were important to you. That make that makes it difficult. So I learned to breathe and learn to meditate. I learned air Aveda and my dosha and how to eat for my dosha and I learned a lot about myself. And then teachers began to appear. I read Wayne Dyer, the power of intention, Carolyn meese anatomy, the spirit, Deepak Chopra's quantum healing Joe dispenza. So many just began to appear my interest moved in that direction. And I had really the power of intention when Wayne Dyer, I saw him speak in Pasadena in 2015. Very powerful saw Carolyn meese at the same time, Joe dispenza. And I really wanted to put myself into the service of others, it became a serious thing. And so I walked away from the lobbying thing, I shut down the firm I moved to LA. And, and initially, I had taken a job as a as executive director of a trade association, which was akin to what I've been doing. And after a year of that, it, you know, I just I didn't renew the contract. And I began to look in a new direction that I was led, I was led to. I was looking at coaching and I saw this one program where the psychologists they said, Well, you need to get an edge add hypnosis to your coaching program. I said to myself, well, I thought that was a fairly interesting thing, but I wasn't gonna go to a one week deal. So it turns out, the nationally accredited college of hypnotherapy is right there in Los Angeles. I was in Burbank, and it's in Tarzana. And I met somebody who'd gone and I signed up. And so it was really the power of the mind, my interest in the power of the mind, but from early on, as a marine and even before that, you know, on the ranch, working with large animals and whatnot, and then and then my desire to put myself into the service of others. So this this was the crossroads of the power of the mind and service to others, which led me to to want to open up my hypnotherapy for Ari Gronich 9:59 you I noticed as I stated to you before we started recording I saw you and I went to hypnosis motivation Institute at both went there and got our clinical hypnotherapy, certificates and so on. And it's a great school. This was the This was the first school for hypnotherapy in the country. Now there's, you know, tons of them, I don't think any of them are, are quite as good as as HDMI. But tell me something, when when you were deciding to transition into coaching and deciding to transition into the consulting, you know, you've authored three books. What did you decide? Was the point of the three books? Like, each one, I'm sure has its own point. But how did you how did you decide the passion that you would put into those that content into those words, because a lot of people want to write a book, but they don't know if that book is going to sell, they don't know if it's going to be read, they just are passionate about putting their brain onto paper. And so out of the enormous amount of experience that you have, how did you decide those? Because I think all three of those made number one bestseller? Is that correct? Norman Plotkin 11:28 Two of them are bestsellers, the other was brand new, so Ari Gronich 11:31 Okay, two of them are our bestsellers. So, you know, tell us a little bit about the content of the books and what it is that you're trying to teach people? Norman Plotkin 11:42 Sure. So I always wanted to write a book. And it's getting to that focus place where what what's the story, you want to tell what what's the value to the reader. And so I tried really hard for three years to write a book about the cancer experience, and I got nowhere. So I hired a coach, I, I attended the author, incubator program, and having the ability to focus, you know, I, who knew that I was unsuccessful for three years, because I was trying to write more than one book at once, you know what I mean? So getting really clear on who my reader was. And what my message was, was the upshot of having a coach who's helped literally 1000s of people write books. And so it became the, the cathartic memoir of the cancer experience. And so I was able to organize it into the seven proven steps to healing and recovery. I was really moved on Thursday, I was getting ready to cook and family and friends and whatnot, I got an email from a from a guy who said, I want to thank you, because of your book, I'm on the fifth month of a chemo holiday. And it's really an Upshot, my, my son, who was 14, at the time saw a five star review on Amazon and my, my book and from a woman who bought it for a mother who had breast cancer, and she was it made a difference in her life. And she was very grateful. And he screenshotted and texted it to me and, and my response was, How cool is that? Now, if one person is better, because they read my book, then the whole cancer experience was worth it. Because when you go through these things, you look for meaning and why is a big question. And I no longer ask the why. And I understand the meaning. The the experience of cancer is there's a message in it and, and it whispers initially, and then it yells. And if you don't hear the yell, you get a new assignment, which is just a nice way of saying that, you know, it's it doesn't go well for you. So I I didn't hear the whisper but I heard the yell, and I reorganized my life and I put myself into the service of others. And so the first book became about my experience and then I read other books like Kathy Turner's radical remission, or Lisa Rankin, Dr. Lisa Rankin's mind over medicine. And I was fascinated that the people who survive all kind of do some of the same things, and how important is it to share, because when you're in it, it's disjointed. And that 1000 people have something to say, and you get 10 minutes with your doctor, and they don't you know, 10 o'clock when the questions really close in on you like the walls, there's no one there. And so, I gathered the seven things that I thought were super important that I did, and turns out others who have survived cancer have done and I put it into a book where, you know, take charge of your cancer. It's, it's it's pointed to men Women, you know, they gather around, they're there for each other, they, you know, they call their best friend and have a good cry men, men can feel isolated. And, you know, they don't they don't go to the doctor or women go to the doctor every year because they're a woman. Right? And so men tend not to do and they put things off until they're bad. So, so the first book was about was really about helping people who are in the middle of it. I wanted to call it the unwrapped gift. But my publisher said, you know, your readers who are in the middle of it aren't going to see it as a gift. She said, How long did it take you? I said, Yeah, it was a few years. So. So that was that was the first book in it, and it felt really good. And, and it's really about a message of hope. And that for people, when you're in the middle of it, you've got the skin in the game, and you really need to be your own captain. And that's the take charge. Ari Gronich 15:55 Yeah. So I want to know what that what these seven proven steps are. Because so I was people a lot of people don't know, I used to be on the advisory board for a long time of a cancer nonprofit, called marathon and miracles and we were mostly alternative health care and and we would help people get solutions that were not necessarily the chemos and the radiations. And the toxins and the and the medicines and pills, but things like Gerson you know, protocol with coffee enemas. I mean, these are the things that people don't know that they really, really want. Yeah, Doritos, herring, a juice, drinking bitter green juice, right? That was something that people don't know that they don't want. So yeah, what are the what are the seven proven techniques? And let's just go one by one and then kind of talk them out. Norman Plotkin 16:53 All right. I've done Gerson. I've done Granny, Granny Smith, apple juice, you know, three days, nothing but and those, those are powerful. Those are powerful methods. But the seven steps begins with radically change your diet. We have what's known today in America as the sad. Yeah, the standard American diet. And it's making people sick, processed foods, high fat, fast foods. It's really important to eat, to live and eat foods that are not processed. And so there's a whole there's a whole chapter on it, but a high level is Eat to Live and so radically change your diet. Ari Gronich 17:40 Right. But Americans love to live to eat. Not not Eat to Live. Yeah. And, you know, they're unwilling to forego the fried chicken from Kentucky Fried or the MSG from places, you know, I mean, they're unwilling to do that. So how do we explain this in a way that somebody can say? I'm going to do that, because that sounds a lot better than having my organs eaten from the inside out, right? So yeah, Norman Plotkin 18:13 I deal with people who smoke cigarettes in the in the package on it says Surgeon General says this could kill you. And they do it anyway. So. So that's one of the chapters to the subconscious mind. I'll get to that in a second. But because you know, change is hard to change. One thing in your life is hard to change seven things is nearly impossible for some so radically, change your diet, learn to meditate. getting control of yourself, talk is super important, because you're listening, and so is every cell in your body. So meditation, and getting control of your active mind, the mind can be the master or the slave. And so, you know, we we have a tendency to externalize that our power. And when we realize that, internalizing our power gives us much more likelihood that we can have exerts something on the external world because control is illusory. So that meditation and the self talk are super important. spirituality, it doesn't matter what, but all paths lead through the divine. Whether you go to a mosque or a church, whether you're Buddhist, Dallas, there's a belief in something larger than ourselves, is really, really important to connecting with humanity and connecting to something larger than ourselves. So spirituality, all paths lead through the divine. Then, you know, life is a contact sport. None of us get out of it alive. We get nicked up along the way. And oftentimes what we do is we start repress our emotions, and repress. And we have these defense mechanisms that we paper over these things. And if we don't resolve them, if they if they remain unresolved, we shut them down into our gut. And they accumulate. And the trauma, trauma is cumulative. And at some point, if you've had enough trauma, and you haven't resolved it, you haven't dealt with it. Your subconscious mind may perceive death as a way out of the pain, and start shutting down your immune system and creating dis ease. So releasing repressed emotions super critical, then communing with your subconscious mind, our programming, we believe that our conscious mind is in control with analysis, reason, logic, decision making and willpower, but it's just the tip of the iceberg. Our programming that was instilled from zero to eight years old, is what the conscious mind measures every decision against. And if it doesn't comport with our programming, we'll come up with a rationalization. Well, I know people who smoke cigarettes until they're 100 made and die, or I'm gonna die, everyone dies, I'll be old anyway. Right. So this conscious mind will come up with a rationalization. So learning to commune with your subconscious mind. And specifically, using hypnosis and hypnotherapy. To help tweak your programming is super important, then no one has more skin in the game than you do. It's important to listen to your doctors, it's important to show up for your appointments. It's important to do your research, but you really have to be the captain of the team. It means ask a lot of questions. And even if, even if they don't want to have questions, ask even if they only want to give you 10 minutes, ask for 10 more, and get to the bottom of things take charge. You know, you're gonna have specialists, a lot of them different ones, one pokes you with a big needle one, cut your organ out one, you know, manages your ongoing care one manages the the the application of therapeutics, whether they you know, cut, burn and poison is, is what I refer to it that because these are the high percentage therapies that allopathic medicine is, is taught to administer. But you are the one who needs to be the captain and don't let anybody push you around. And finally, you got to have a reason to live. Whether it's a grandchild, a child, the book you want to ride or a garden patch, having a reason to live and not just not wanting to die, is the love part, fear is not wanting to die. And the more you concentrate on not wanting to die and the fear that's associated with it, the more likely you are so having something to live for. We all do. If you just you know, fix on something that you need to accomplish. So diet, meditation, spirituality, subconscious, releasing repressed emotions, taking charge, and having a reason to live. Those are the seven steps and I didn't make any of these up. None of them are groundbreaking. But the power of using each of them in concert, is the thing that is going to make the difference in your cancer experience. Ari Gronich 23:33 So did you find that when you were detoxing after the initial, you know, healing crisis that happens inevitably, with you know, the ups and downs of detoxification? Did you find that your mind changed? After you are already detox versus changing your mind and detoxing first? Or did they have to go simultaneously? But, you know, like, what was the major difference between before and after it just in your mindset, because I always found that for me. When I'm clean in my body, my mind is more clean. My thoughts are more clean, the things that I think about myself are more clean. And when I'm dirty in my body when I'm toxified then my thoughts are toxic. And my things are you know, right? So what did you find was at the stage in which your actions and your mind made made up, right? Because at first your actions are not going to be in alignment with your mind. We get that just get that off the shelf right at the beginning. At first, your mind and your actions are not going to be in alignment. When did you find that they became an alignment. Norman Plotkin 24:56 It's a process. So initially, when getting back Back to normal wasn't, you know, the old normal, the realization that the old normal made me sick and I needed to find a new normal that was and that's when I use the power of the mind. And so it was a will thing. And as I use the power of the my mind and opened up to new teachers and move my way into cleaner living, that then the mind, it became less of a struggle. So mind body, in concert, and you add in spirit, mind body spirit, then there's a flow, you know, we get into the flow state. And each, it becomes progressively easier. And as Dyer said, when you change the way you look at things, the things you look at begin to change. And it's, it's really is true. As I clean my by stop drinking, I started eating healthy and mindful of portions and what it is I'm taking in, and I guard my thoughts. And my self talk is always very positive. And if I catch myself, I'm not, I don't, I'm not mad, I'm not attached, I just dismiss and move on. And so you know, living in such a way it's self perpetuating. And the clean body, the clean mind, the clean actions follow and it gets easier. So then there's less resistance, you know, we resist these things, because of our programming and the conscious mind may have every desire in the world to eat healthy. And the subconscious mind is going to put up a whole bunch of resistance because it doesn't comport with the programming. And so, so it's the resistance melts away. When our mind body and spirit are in concert. But for me, it began with the will, the strong line and the will. And then as I and then as I learned, and I added the the clarity, the clean living in it aidid. The it wasn't, it was mind, it didn't have to be so strong, right? And then the actions and the resistance falls away and the actions become easier. Okay, so Ari Gronich 27:16 I'm going to, I'm going to take this back a second, you're a Marine, you have a will that's been bred into you trained into you different than somebody who's not a marine. Right? So how does somebody get that will to start? What is that like? So I always ask questions, right? So my question is, is, do I want to live? You know, do you want to live? Are you happy with your life? Do you know like, these are the kinds of questions that I would ask if and then it's like an if, If yes, then what If yes, then what if no then what? Right? So that way we break kind of it apart into little pieces. But if somebody had doesn't have that innate will and discipline, because they haven't been bred into it, like you were then what? Like, how does somebody get that? beginning? Norman Plotkin 28:20 Well, that's your that's what led me to the hypnotherapy. Because even even with my strong will, and yes, it was I had a strong will. And I was attracted to the Marine Corps because of that. And then they just upped my strong wheel game, because as you know, you're going to Marine Corps boot camp, and I'm going to I'm going to get through this, it's three months of very, very difficult intense stuff, and they train you into mental toughness. So I saw I was predisposed to it. And I, you know, I accelerated it. And here's what happened, though, let me let me tell you that you can, it can go in the other direction, I was determined to keep living. I'm going to beat the saying, you know, I'm going to keep doing I'm going to live the way I want to live. And it came back and it scared me. And I knew fear for the first time because that hardheaded thing that I was just going to Will my way through it, I didn't change. I didn't make any changes. And I knew fear for the first time in my life, kind of like this, you know, the mother of all esophageal reflux, it comes up into your mouth and you know, getting rid of that taste of fear. Right? And, and that's where that's where I needed to learn subtlety around that will, which was, you know, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. Well, we all know what, what Albert Einstein said about that. So there are those who need help. I've needed help, too. And getting to a place where you ask for the help getting to the place where you invest in yourself to bring in like all the best coaches have coaches. So when it came time to get serious about writing my book, I got a coach, when it came time to be serious about changing behavior, it's, you may want to see a hypnotherapist because you're worth it. Alright. And so this is that I didn't just seek a therapist, I sought to capture that modality to use it for myself and in service of others. So while we don't all have that, metal, me TT le have the mental toughness of a Marine, it is within our reach. And it's, you know, a matter of deciding whether we're worth it to. So seek that out. Ari Gronich 30:46 Yeah, I just want to say to the audience, if any of you are going through this, or any trauma, any kind of medical, emotional, financial, psychological trauma, have people that you trust, connect with them, because it is so important. This is one of the biggest lessons I always had in my own life is I wanted to do it all alone, not because I had an ego about it. But because I had a massive fear of people disappointing me taking advantage of me not treating me the way I needed to be treated, treating me the way they were comfortable treating me. And so I never asked, so I've got a brain tumor. I've had it since I was at least seven, I've been a medical mystery my entire life. And and I was raped and molested. And I mean, I was, you know, I might, my history is crazy. Let's just put it out. It's crazy, the the history that I've had. And so therefore my training was, anybody I love is going to either let me down or abused me or think of me as a burden. And so if I love you, I can't ask you for help, because I'm going to be a burden, and then you're not going to want to be around me. Right? This was the programming that I was suffering through. So I'm sure a lot of the audience members have similar kinds of questions about asking for help men, as you said, we just in general, it's not something that we're taught. It's not something that we don't have tribal living anymore, where we're taken out by the men in the tribe, on a vision quest, where you know, where we learn how to be in a tribe, tribal society, we're trained to be individuals in an individual society doing individual things. And hopefully, maybe they help the collective right. But it's not collective, designed. It's not designed for the collective. So how do we get people and an audience I'm listening, I'm talking to you, and I want him. I want Norman to talk sheet to you right now. How do we get people who are suffering? to ask for help. And the only thing that I have ever come up with is, I need you to call me not the other way around when I'm in the place of despair. Because if I'm in despair, I'm not calling or reaching out. So it's not just the asking of asking for help, but it's the loved ones offering to sit with somebody who's suffering and not trying to change them, at least for me not trying to change me or change where I'm at just sitting with me. So I know that they frickin love me, right? So for you like, what it was, what what do you suggest, especially for men, but men and women? Asking for help? How do we get them to do it? Norman Plotkin 34:07 So one of the one of the symptoms of the thyroid cancer that I had was depression. And I had a family member said, well just go outside and get some sunshine. I'm like, Oh, just go get some sunshine. Oh, of course. Why didn't I? Why didn't I think of that? I, I didn't want to ask for help. Because like, sometimes I would get crazy stuff like that. And many of us don't. My suggestion, and this goes across the board for many different things, but especially in this case, get out of your head and get into your gut. You see we have discernment. You have a gut feeling. Like we try to overthink things. And as soon as we started overthinking things for now we're going to compare it to our programming and the subconscious mind is going to derail us once again based on you know, the experiences There's a lot of, you know, a lot of folks who have that those early traumas that they have fear of abandonment, you know, these type things, and so they push people away before they can, you know, let me rip the scab off now before you do it, right. So if if we get to a place where we sit quiet and still so that I teach meditation, you know, sitting quiet, and still the beginning of the day before the 75,000 thoughts that you have every day that 90% of them are the same that were yesterday, sitting quiet, and still, you see, when we pray, we talk to our God, whoever our notion of God is, or divinity. But when we meditate, we listen. And that's when we get answers could come from God come from our higher self, or guardian angel, whatever you want to think of it as. But when we get out of our head and stop trying to steer it, and we get into our gut, and we, we open the door to discernment. I feel like crap. I don't trust anyone. I, you know, the walls are closing in. When we if we're gonna try and think our way out of it, we're gonna get into trouble. But if we go down deep into our gut, and we say to our stuff, what do I need right now? What do I need right now. And just leave that the subconscious mind, the higher self will come to answers. That friend that you can call, I was in the second round of radiation. I was sequestered for three days, because I was radioactive, couldn't let the meat into clean, I was shut in for three days. Now my marriage is failing, my kids are afraid, I waved at them through the window out in the parking lot. And to see the fear on their faces was difficult. But I had my friend john. And john and i talked, I said, john, you know, there's always been a trail has always emerged, I've always been able to see the trail, you know, I don't see a trail. And he talked me through it. So, you know, find your john. Go within and discern from a gut level. Ari Gronich 37:12 That's a really good advice. And I hope that, that the audience that's listening will take that advice, because it's so important to find your tribe to find the people that are there for you, in the darkest of your pain, let alone the light that you shine on them. Right. And, you know, I'm not a very religious person. I was raised, studying religions. And I I'm a Jewish, Buddhist, Peruvian Catholic, Native American, you know, practitioner, I mean, I practice I studied the Quran, I've studied Buddhism, I've studied Native American ceremony. And you know, what's funny about Native American ceremony, and I was thinking about this when you were talking about meditation, because I used to do a lot of sweat lodges. And in a sweat lodge, it's completely dark. It's like being in the womb, and extremely hot and uncomfortable. So the only thing that you can concentrate on is trying to keep yourself cool. And then allowing everything else to happen. But in Native American, you know, culture, they say, we want to make the ceremony as hard as possible, so that your life will be easy in comparison. And I really took that to heart when it came to considering the ritual, the ceremony of meditation, the ritual to Sarah, it's hard, it's hard to meditate, we had a Zen master, who used to go to the sweat lodge, because he said that he could get into a meditative state like that in the sweat lodge, where it would take him 20 or 30 minutes, you know, and this is a practicing Zen master for over, you know, a couple decades. And, and so, you know, I use a candle. As a focal point for meditation I use, sometimes I'll go in the shower, and I'll sit down in the shower, and I'll close my eyes and I'll just let the water pour over my head. And my meditation is anything that's not necessary. Anything that's superfluous is washing away, it's just washing down the drain everything you know, like, that's kind of my, my mantra in there. But let's, let's talk about some suggestions that you might have for somebody who's going through traumatic experiences, doesn't know how to meditate. They don't know how to take their brain and turn it into a focus on a focal point because it's so erratic. Right. So give us some, just some quick techniques for that. Sure. Norman Plotkin 40:08 Box breathing, we've covered it a second ago, five seconds into your nose, five seconds out through your mouth, five seconds into your nose, five seconds out, they teach it to Navy SEALs when they're in combat when they're in the middle of it. That's what they're doing to reset their autonomic nervous system. That's a simple one. Now. How about the Course in Miracles, it's a three volume, tome, you know, about lots of different stuff. The Reader's Digest version is this love is your birthright, it resides in your heart center. its opposite is fear. At any one time, you cannot be in love and fear at the same time. So I do regular check ins with myself throughout the day, am I coming from a place of love or fear? Fear is anger to the brain, the range of emotions that are associated with fear. You know, it's it's clear, you know, that, if it's not a happy emotion, it's a fear based emotion. So what I do is I, I teach people to have a icon of visualization, maybe it's a red rose, maybe it's a red heart, maybe it's a picture of their child or whatever it is fixed something that brings love and joy. And just visualize that in your heart center. And then fear falls away, because you cannot be in both at the same time. So these are simple exercises, breathe, bring yourself back to love. The other thing is a little more complex, but easily understood. Viktor Frankl psychiatrist, Jewish psychiatrist, concentration camp, he wrote the book mankind's Search for Meaning, and and develop the the logotherapy. But his quote, between stimulus and response between action and reaction is a space and in that space, lies your power, because you get to decide what kind of human being you want to be. Now you can be reactionary, and, and leak and bleed your power out to someone who just got said something to you. Or you can take a moment and decide who you want to be in that moment. and maintain your power, keep your power, and show up who you want to be your higher self knows who to show up as. So these are three very simple concepts that you can do. Because look at our world today. People externalizes their power to prisons, paid places and things left and right. He said, she said he did. She did. The news said the president that I mean you're leaking power to everybody. And so the notion that we can control our outer world is illusion, the outer world is illusion, the only thing that is real is your inner world. And when you take stock, and bring love into your heartspace, and define your inner world, based on your higher self understanding, this is how we maintain our sanity, and live our highest our highest possible. So this is this is five D stuff where the 3d world is dragging us down into fear. And the five D world transcends time and moves into energy. And we go there through love and compassion and unity instead of duality that transcended that individuation that connects is we're all connected. This whole thing about six feet, social distancing, this is where our heart energy picks each other up. You know, we're all connected. We can have non local experiences, where we call it synchronicity or, you know, these type of things. But we are all that tribe, that human tribe, we're all connected energetically. And we forget that and we externalize you know, we we recover ourselves out from the our humaneness. And we separate ourselves and to a dual experience. And that person outside of me said that she can you believe he said that? Oh, who cares? Who cares what anyone says? Or does, ultimately we have control of our inner world. And this is where our happiness and our peace and our humanity reside. Ari Gronich 44:29 Awesome. So I'm going to go back to something that is completely on a different topic now because i think that i think the audience has gotten this. So one of the things that you said just now is similar to what I say which is it's all an illusion. I say, we made this shit up. We can do better. That's really simple. This is Entire world, from the buildings that we see to the money that we think is so important. We created the things that we didn't create our bodies, the trees, the nature right around us, that was created by somebody else, or something else either way. But what we created is all of the systems that we live by all of the things that we think are so important that we get so riled up about as if it is the only an absolute way. So I'm going to go back to private lobbying, Norman Plotkin. And what I'm going to ask you is this, should we as a community, as a society, as people in general, try to do something about the policies and the government and the stuff that we're going through? Or should we stop trying to change the government? start changing ourselves? Because we are the freaking government? See, I think people think that this is some kind of outside entity that doesn't, you know, that's like away from the people. The government is away from the people. It's a separate entity from the people. But yet, the people are the people who make the government who make the laws, all that stuff. So this is this is where, where my questioning comes in, because I've like looked at, okay, do we want to change healthcare for the better? Or do we just want to create a new system, start as a small thing, and then put it right next to the big you know, honkin? You know, system that's ineffective? And wait, wait, wait for people to show up and say, Oh, hey, I like that one better, right? Or should we go through that lobbying and that policy change in order to force it to force the change, or let it happen organically. And that's for it doesn't matter if it's medicine or agriculture or systems right. Then Norman Plotkin 47:33 I used to believe you know, and the power and the power to influence and, and to develop policy. We have devolved into a quagmire, it's, the system is broken. There is no real distinction. The parties are the same. The corruption is across the boards. We the organic approach is far better. But look, we've been asleep. We've been entertained by television, and movies, and sports, and all of these things that really don't matter when we've been asleep, and we've left it to someone else. And while we'd love to do someone else, you know, the fox is guarding the henhouse. And now, all the hens are dead. Right, and all we have left is the boxes in the henhouse. And so it's time to wake up. But you know what, with all with this year, this year, we all began with vision boards and resolutions to have our own personal 2020 vision. But you know what? It wasn't about our personal vision, it was about humanity's vision. And so the whole COVID thing, this is waking people up, television will never be the same. Hollywood will never be the same. Sports will never be the same. Our government will never be the same. This is the this is a year I used to think you know, as we transition from Pisces, which was you know, patriarchal and duality, dual conflict into Aquarius, which is energy, feminine unity collaboration, I thought it was going to be rainbows and unicorns. But let's face it, any transition, any transformation is more like the subduction zone of a plague tectonic event, right? And so that's what we're seeing. It's happening, whether we like it or not, and so many of us are awakening many of us and so. So, I lead the weekly meditation of a group of folks who come because what, what do we know we know there are studies the Maharishi effect that when people get together and collectively meditate, they can reduce disease, they can reduce crime, there are non local impacts were from collective action, and so many of us are waking up into this fifth dimensional thing where love is in our heart space compassion for our fellow human beings, who cares about this, this pop culture stuff that has absolutely zero to do with anything but to lull us into asleep. And so whether we like it or not, it's happening. And when enough of us when we get to critical mass will lift the others who may or may not be aware of it. And institutions are changing. And at you know, as our social institutions and political institutions, the change must come from ourselves first, and we must open our eyes and become aware to the illusion and the corruption. They we weren't minding the store, while big banks are just robbing, you know, they're in bed with the politicians, the banks, corporations, I know, all of my worldview was destroyed this year. You know, I'm really glad I had the opportunity to help my parents in 2018 transition. Because I'm glad they didn't see this world, they grew up in a different world. My dad was in World War Two, my mom, you know, the depression, she taught me how to cook with very little more than bacon grease, and flour, and I can make all kinds of stuff. So you don't mean I'm glad, I'm glad they transition, they live long lives into their 80s and 90s. I'm glad they didn't see this because it's ugly and nasty and brutish. But on the other side is amazing. And what we what we have to do is keep loving our heart space. Ari Gronich 51:33 Right? I think it's absolutely necessary, what we're going through. I'm a little bit disappointed that it's taken us a little longer than Thomas Jefferson said, when it comes to the revolution, you know, 25 years, should be a revolution every 25 years. So I'm, you know, disappointed that that's taken us longer, and that we don't really pay attention too much. One of the people I was talking to said, you know, the thing is, is that people have created this, this world in which you have to be active 40 hours a week, minimum 40 6080 hours of work, and they don't have time for public service. They don't anymore, they don't have time, because both parties have, you know, family, both husband and wife are working. And so nobody has any time anymore, to pay attention anything other than survival. And when I hear somebody say I'm woke, or he's woke or we're woke, but they're not. And you know, I'm like, I i get i get the the thought of, I'm woke but there's 70 million people who thinks that they're woke up on one side, and another 70 million who think that they woke up on the other side, and none of them get that none of them are woke yet. Like they're not, they're still just preaching the same storyline that either echo chamber is uttering versus their own storyline based on their own beliefs, because they can't have their own beliefs anymore, because they've been programmed their beliefs based on their echo chamber, which is typically social media or news or whatever that is that they watch, right. And so, I look at this because, you know, as a hypnotherapist as a as a somebody who is well trained in the subconscious mind in the places that we don't like to go. Right. My question, Is it is it possible without massive destruction, which is typically what happens before a transition into something more beautiful. You get a fire before a forest is fertilized right? Is it possible at this point without massive destruction? To get people back to a place where critical thinking, nuanced thinking, common sense? Looking, you know, and being an active participant in our government, in our politics, in our society, in our block, I mean, you could go out my street, and nobody's hanging out on the block anymore. You know, I'm sure that that's happening all over the country, lock parties aren't happening, communities aren't getting together. Is it possible without massive destruction to get the subconscious mind to shift that drastically in time for what we need in order to shift this or is it just going to be played out as it plays out? Norman Plotkin 54:49 Well, it will play out as it's meant to be. And if we try and rush it, there's a great there's a great Chinese concept that Chinese Tao is concept of Wu Wei, it translates in not action, but it's not non action. It's no action until the action is right. And then when when you wait till the time is right, then you act in flow. And it's amazing, right? But if we rush, if we force, if we cajole, you're going to have a perverted outcome. So we wait until the time is right. And so it's going to be, we're watching it now. It's happening now it's crumbling around our feet. It's like the tower card and Tarot, it, but what the great what people miss in the Tarot tower card is the laser like focus with which we emerge, you see, so newspapers have been dying a slow, agonizing death for 10 years. And it's being sped up now. And so to is the news, what we consider the nightly news that or the even the 24, Seven News, it's devolved into a food fight. And it will not survive the current, it will not, it will not survive the current. And so you'll, democracy in America, written by Alexis de Tocqueville in 1832, he marveled at Americans propensity to associate, we associate it all. So when, when to your, to your point about people are too busy, both parents are working, there is enough time to do what we want to do. We you can tell what's important to people by how they organize their life. You see, all the jabber in the world doesn't mean amount to a hill of beans, if your actions are showing something completely different. So there is enough time to do what's important to us. And as we, as we emerge, there's going to be some pain. And we're in the middle of the pain. It's not a pleasant time right now. And but people are awakening to the notion of that they've been asleep. And that, because they've been asleep, the the autopilot has flown us in a very bad direction. And we've abdicated our responsibility to people who are crooks, basically, who don't have our best interests in mind. And so there it will emerge through our association. So maybe it's maybe we identify with a certain group or, you know, this, but not what I'm not talking about is identity politics, what I'm talking about is, is things that you'd like to do. And so and you and you hang out with other people who like to do it, and this has been a thing about Americans since the beginning. And so it's through our associations that we will unite and, and emerge with a different with a different perspective, and a different way of going about things. I'm not sure what it's going to look like, I'm kind of excited to see. But I don't think we can rush it, nor should we. And I would I think if we remain with that, that gut feeling that that intuition, that that discernment, and have our heart space is filled with love. That's, that's our job. You see. And when enough of us do it, collectively, we'll write our course. Ari Gronich 58:28 Right? So you know, my, here's my suggestion to people in the audience, whether you're a church group, whether you're in a men's group, women's group, is this association, friendships, things like that. I'm going to give you a challenge. The challenge is to find five people other than yourself. Figure out what you guys are all passionate about equally. And then create a plan for how to actualize that. So I have a friend, her passion is to stop child trafficking. That's her passion. She's got a nonprofit, she's an amazing person. And she has collected a few people around her who also have that same belief, and then they've gone out to start making changes, right. But once you have that group of five or six, my next challenge is to find another group of five or six that have the exact same passion, maybe different skill sets, but the exact same passion. Connect with them and combine Efforts versus having to have the ego of being the only one who's doing it's getting the credit for making that change or making that shift. Because, to me, the thing that is, and it's a challenge, because it's so difficult for people to do this, I want the credit, they want the credit, he wants to credit, who cares who the credit gets, as long as child trafficking is gone, right? As long as bullying is done, as long as you know, we're not poisoning the water anymore, right? So get people you don't want you know, poison in your in your food. Okay, get five people, and then have them get five people and then have to get five people and create that passion together. That's my challenge. We've been we've been at this conversation a while. I'm enjoying myself tremendously, actually. And Unknown Speaker 1:00:58 as am I, Ari Gronich 1:00:59 I love these conversations. Do you have to go anywhere? Do you have any meetings? No. Okay, good. So lobbying. I just want to finish this before we go back to, you know, the other part. Politicians, you've had dealings with them all, all of them believe that they are. That they're the Savior, that they're that they're a good in the world? Right? nobody feels like they're the ones that are causing the policies, they think that the policies that they're creating are for the benefit of society, right. So you've been around them a lot? Is it malicious? Or is it just a matter of belief? That may not be optimal? Is it malicious for money? Is it you know, or is it just ignorance of, of factual reality? What is it Norman Plotkin 1:02:09 it's some are corrupt every fiber of their body. Most are people who were popular in school that they networked heavily. They, they believe in the right thing. And they're asked to, to, to serve. And that's how it's done. And most of them arrived, bright eyed and bushy tailed. And it doesn't take long before they're believing their own press releases, and the self aggrandizement. You know, power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. You know, we've created a professional corps of elected officials, who get very used to entitlement. And if they only learn grace, you see the self justification melts away in the face of grace. But they are all about self justification, they're doing the people's business now. Now, I'm, you know, the end justifies the mean, because, you know, I'm helping people. Well, you're helping yourself first. I mean, this whole entitlement thing, this professional class of politicians, it's, it's toxic, and they, they believe they're good people. But in order to survive, it requires corrupt action. If to look the other way, you have to, you have to subordinate your own beliefs and your own conscience for the party and the cause, and the money and the highlight, it's just, you know, it's corrupt. And it's both sides. And, you know, every two years I would campaign and I'm like, it's gonna be that we're gonna win this time. It's gonna be different. Whenever they get in, they play the game, Ari Gronich 1:04:16 right? So as a Marine, and I'm, I'm bringing it back to this. Because I've had a lot of friends in the military. One of my close friends was a POW for five years in Vietnam, and ended up in prison for 15 years thereafter because of police brutality on him. Mind you, he you know, he learned how to do OPM really well in in Vietnam. So you know, he wasn't perfect, but he led a team of five men into Cambodia. And just You know, an amazing human being. But when I used to talk to him, I would ask him the question, is this the country that you fought for? And so I'm going to ask you as a marine. Because there's a lot of military people who who might listen to this, and I want, I want them to have a voice. Because I've dealt with a lot of VA, I've worked at the VA and LA, PTSD work a lot of deep emotional release. So is this the country as a marine that you fought for? And if it is, or if it's not? What about it is or not? And how do you see service in the military, or for any government position, whether it's Peace Corps, or charitable work, or whatever, as a place where we can come back to creating a country that would be worthy of fighting for. And I'll just preface it with one more thing, if I remember, because it was just on the tip of my tongue. But if it's worth fighting for what needs to happen now, so that our military members who are sacrificing everything can feel in their hearts like they're doing this, not for the paycheck, not that it's much of a paycheck. But they're doing it for a country that's worth fighting for. Norman Plotkin 1:06:55 If you've traveled the world, you know that there are people who are dying to get here. That hasn't changed. The ideals that this country was founded on are still the ideals that this country was founded on. We've been asleep and allowed gangsters to take over. And it is the country that I wrote a blank check for up to an including my life for it's the country that my father served in World War Two for well we need to do is return to the sense of belonging that the greatest generation didn't need to be taught. Unknown Speaker 1:07:47 We, Norman Plotkin 1:07:49 we've become selfish and distracted and asleep. And as a result, we've lost our way. The corruption, I mean, the pay to play, you know, I, I could go into details. But you know, everyone has their own politics, if we get if we devolved into politics, you're gonna offend somebody, and but, you know, the pay to play, and it's on both sides. But that that has severely tarnished our institutions. And it's based on greed. And the back to the notion of power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. So there are millions who have served, and they continue to serve, you know, part of part of the problem is geopolitical dynamics. You know, we made a deal. In the 70s, we went off the gold standard. And petroleum was traded in the dollar. And in order, and what does that do? What do we get for that, that strengthens the US dollar and our currency is strengthened, because the world trades in it? But what did we have to put up for that we had to put up our military and become the top of the world to trend to safeguard the transportation of petroleum? Right. And so people? Ari Gronich 1:09:24 I don't think a lot of people know that. That was the beginning of of that it was also the end of the draft, which is the other question I had for you, which is, I believe that we should have some form of public service be mandatory, whether it be a draft, whether it be you know, Peace Corps, whatever. I believe that some kind of service when you're 18 1920, you know, in those that age range ish area, in order to teach people reteach people about service to their fellow man. Norman Plotkin 1:10:02 Totally agree. You know, I hated every minute of the Marine Corps. But I wouldn't trade it for the life of me. And I, maybe I didn't hate every minute of it. But you know what I mean? It wasn't, it wasn't the most pleasant Ari Gronich 1:10:17 knowing, oh, it's not. But how many people do you still know that were your brothers back then? Norman Plotkin 1:10:23 There's a handful, and we're tight. And, and even if I didn't know them, then all they got to know is that they were marine. And it did. That's all it matters. But and listen, when I when I got out, and I and I went into the, into the professional working world, my suit was pressed, my shoes were shined, my hair was cut, and people walk with a bearing that people recognize immediately. I didn't need to tell people that I was prior military. It just you could just tell. And it behooves me immensely throughout my career. I believe a national service of some sort doesn't have to be military. But so, so many people like to learn how to be a man or a woman, for that matter, you know, a little sewing kit. I sew buttons, I get the self sufficiency that goes you know, from is Ari Gronich 1:11:24 I, I found it really fascinating. That Gillette, and this single use razor was a military requirement for all soldiers in World War Two, because they needed to be able to shave because their their helmets and their things weren't fitting on them properly, like the gas masks and stuff. And so they had to have a shaving kit, it was required part of the gear. You know, it's not how much is good. Norman Plotkin 1:12:01 Do you know that I have, I shave every day, not very much. But with my Gillette track to that it was issued to me in the Marine Corps boot camp, it still works. Anyway, it's kind of funny. It's It teaches you how to adult. And, you know, it's a lost art. So I think, you know, we could benefit immeasurably from it. Ari Gronich 1:12:25 Awesome, thank you so much for that I I know, I kind of go on these conversations off the tangents in here and there. But I do that because I actually don't want it to be just an interview, I want it to be a conversation that can uplift that can, you know, put a fire under somebody's asked that can make them know that there's actionable things that they can do to change their life today. I mean, so many people feel so hopeless, helpless. I know, in my life, suicide was always an option. I had 28 friends commit suicide in my life. And that was always an option. My brother asked me once why I believe in God, I said, because if I didn't, I'd be dead. Because if I didn't believe that there was something higher than me, I wouldn't believe that there was a purpose for me. And therefore there's no reason to experience the amount of pain that I've had to experience in my life. Right. And I know that that's not an unusual way of looking at life right now. That especially during some of these times, there's been such a spike in the mental illness and abuse in the house in suicide and all these things. And so, towards the end of this conversation, I just wanted to lead it back there because I want people to have tricks and tools and tips and things that they can do to make their life better, to make their communities better to make the relationships more rich and vibrant and lively. So that suicide is not even in their consciousness as an option. Because they always know there's somebody out there to help there's some kind of hope, some kind of thing that they could do. And so I wanted to bring it back there and I want you to just talk about that a little bit. You know, as a subconscious, mindfulness healing coach person, I know that that this is some of the stuff you have to deal with every single day. Love. Norman Plotkin 1:14:53 Love is our birthright. Love is God energy. Love energy equals God, energy, whatever, by whatever name you call God, the divine. Having love in your heart space is your birthright. It's why you're here. And so, so often people wonder, why am I here? Why? These are all lessons, we're here, we signed up our soul. souls are eternal. We live we are eternal souls living a temporary biological existence in this very dense frequency that's known as Earth, an emotion that lives here and people, souls come here to learn about emotion, because this is the only place that exists in the universe. And so each of these things are a lesson. I often find myself when I'm in my next embarrassing moment, let me learn the lesson quickly. And, you know, what's, where's the lesson? Let me learn it quickly find the lesson, learn it quickly move on to my next embarrassing moment. But as long as we see it that way, you know, I mentioned earlier about the, the email I got from the guy who read my book and, and credited the book with, you know, having five months of chemo holiday, and I, I asked myself, why did I get cancer? Why, why me? at all, this is great live, I thought that was great. Like, why did I have to get cancer, what's the meaning of the cancer was to push through to find my true essential purpose in life, to be in the service of others using the power of the subconscious mind, leading with love. And when I realized that the message of my cancer was to pull me out of a cesspool, and put me into a loving space, helping others, when people leave my office, they float out of here, feeling that and that is that lifts me up. That's, that's my reason for living. And so the, the pain of the cancer, emotion, emotional and physical. The fear was to direct me to my essential purpose to my soul's purpose. And once I realized that I stopped asking why. Why did this happen? Well, it was a lesson that I needed to learn and look when I learned it. I think goodness, I did. And I did I learned it, and it brought me to my soul's purpose. And so when you see that, the pain is a lesson. Then you dedicate yourself to learning what is the lesson here? making a game? Now it's a game, what is this pain? teaching me? What What should I learn so that I can move to the next lesson? That's what life is. It's a series of lessons. And if we get hung up on one, and give up, then what is this is what leads us to what's the purpose of life? Well, you forgot what the purpose of life was, you forgot that it's a series of lessons. So get in the game, and learn the lesson and move on to the next one. It may be painful, you may skin your knees. It may hurt your feelings. But do you know your life? And you do then what's the lesson here? Let me learn it quickly so that I can move on to the next lesson. That's why we're here. We're here to learn lessons so that our souls can evolve. If you get hung up on this is painful. You missed it, there's a lesson. And you missed the point of life. And when you remember, if you just fix in your mind that the point of life is to be here and to learn lessons and for our soul to grow and expand. And in so doing it expands others by our example. Right. And so it's in

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Hi, I am here with Norman Plotkin, He is Certified Clinical Hypnotherapist with a medical emphasis as well as cancer wellness and recovery as an integrative medicine modality. Also certified for hypnotherapy in pre- and post-surgery, pain management, PTSD, smoking cessation, sleep, stress, anxiety and more. How I can help you: Cancer Recovery; Surgery Preparation, Smoking Addiction, Drug Free, Pain Free, Emotional Release, PTSD Therapy. Hear it live on Monday at 6 Am for the full episode in your favorite podcast app. Norman Plotkin 0:00 Yeah, a long strange trip. It's been right so I, you know, I grew up on a ranch and I didn't go to college right away I went in the Marine Corps and then I got out of the Marine Corps and I worked in the oil fields and rock plant where I made little rocks out of big rocks, like Fred Flintstone and and then I was doing construction line work, climbing telephone poles thinking that the world looked up the linemen, and to some extent they do, but I ran into an experience. My brother was killed in a car accident, and I reevaluated everything and I shut down what I was doing then and went back to college and I was in a hurry because now I'm 25 and feeling behind. And so I went to community college, I did speech and debate and Student Government transfer to university and graduated in three years.

Today I am here with Kyle Davies. He is a chartered psychologist, therapist, coach, trainer, author. Is the creator of Energy Flow Coaching, which is a framework for tapping in our innate ability to attain optimum health, wellbeing, creativity, clarity and mind. You know, Kyle and I have have been friends for a long time. I was on his show. I don't know many, many eons ago. And it's so good to have him with us. *Episode Highlights* *Kyle* [00:03:27] So since I've been in that world for the most part and since then, really, I I've I do corporate work as well now because the whole kind of idea of wellbeing in the last few years is as developed within organizations. And I think there is this ignition that's to, you know, in order to have people be engaged and productive, ideally, they need to be have a sense of purpose, have a sense of meaning and be reasonably happy. So at the moment, my working life comprises both a combination of private therapy, work, working with sufferers of chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, irritable bowel anxiety, depression, and then the corporate work where I'm accommodation of kind of coaching workshops, where I'm helping people, I suppose, get the best out of themselves. And as you said in that that intro, getting mental clarity really to be able to help people kind of perform effectively. So that's a bit of a nutshell of where I was and where I am now. *Ari* [00:07:56] Yeah. You know, the thing that that strikes me every time I talk to anybody about National Healthcare Service versus insurance based like it is here in the US, is that really there's very little difference between the kind of care we get. It's it's more about who's paying versus based on results. There are some countries that have more of a results based versus procedure based system. *Kyle* [00:09:16] I'm addressing it from a perspective of what I suppose you could say. It's function. I'm not a trained functional practitioner, but I'm I'm approaching it. I suppose there are some fundamental pieces. So I'm approaching it from a perspective that stress is is basically the underpinning cause. But I'm looking at stress, not from a psychological perspective, but from a perspective that the stress response in the body is largely the same, regardless of the stress. So that could mean that the environment, be it something physical, something emotional, stress response, is pretty much the same. And that's, I suppose, the basic tenets of my approach. *Ari* [00:12:52] You know that that's a thing that, as you know, I've I've worked with emotional release, somatic body work for a long time. And it's probably some of my favorite work is the issues are in the tissues. Let's get it out of the tissues. The number one cause of all diseases is stress. And it's, I think, considered the third or fourth contributing cause of death, but it contributes to all other diseases as well. So, you know, here, here's the thing. We're going to end the call. But I end this always asking three actionable steps that somebody can take right now who's listening to shift their health, to shift their world so that they can create a new tomorrow within themselves. *Ari* [00:14:44] Well, so. So let's talk about just a couple of actionable ways. So you're saying focus on yourself to be present. Do you have a technique or a tool that somebody can take away right now and use to do that more appropriately? Because you can say something like be more present with yourself. But a lot of people really don't know how to do that. *Kyle* [00:17:46] That really probably should be a foundational piece for everybody. You know, it's just not breathing properly, whether you want it to come to a breathing course or whether you just want it getting to your body and breathe a little bit more. I mean, that's how I started. But a lot of anxiety and depression is when I was between my late teens, early 20s and most of it. There's a number of factors, but most of it was because I just lived in my head. So I force myself out of my head, were very heads orientated culture or cultures. So I had to force myself out of my head. One of the ways I did that was just bringing my attention back to my breathing and feeling what it what it would feel like in my party, being aware of the tensions. Being aware that the feelings, just observing them are not. I didn't I hadn't read anything to to encourage me to do that. I've just sort of naturally did that. So but that I would say is that would be my number one. *Resources and Links* * *https://CreateANewTomorrow.com* * *https://www.facebook.com/arigronich* * *https://energyflowcoaching.com/* * *https://www.linkedin.com/in/kyle-davies-b5b59715/?originalSubdomain=uk* *Full Transcription* *Ari&Kyle1.mp3* *Ari* [00:00:01] Has it occurred to you that the systems we live by are not designed to get results. We pay for procedures instead of outcomes, focusing on emergencies rather than preventing disease and living a healthy lifestyle. For over 25 years, I've taken care of Olympians, Paralympians, A-list actors and Fortune 1000 companies. If I did not get results, they did not get results. I realized that while powerful people who controlled the system want to keep the status quo. If I were to educate the masses, you would demand change. So I'm taking the gloves off and going after the systems as they are. Join me on my mission to create a new tomorrow as a chat with industry experts. Elite athletes thought leaders and government officials about how we activate our vision for a better world. We may agree and we may disagree, but I'm not backing down. *Ari* [00:00:50] I'm Ari Gronich and this is. Create a new tomorrow podcast. *Ari* [00:01:00] And welcome back to another episode of Create a New Tomorrow. *Ari* [00:01:04] This is your host, Ari Gronich, and I am here with Kyle Davies. He is a chartered psychologist, therapist, coach, trainer, author. Is the creator of Energy Flow Coaching, which is a framework for tapping in our innate ability to attain optimum health, wellbeing, creativity, clarity and mind. You know, Kyle and I have have been friends for a long time. I was on his show. I don't know many, many eons ago. And it's so good to have him with us. Kyle, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself and how you became who you are? *Kyle* [00:01:44] It's great to be back. It it's great to see you again, I should say. Thanks for having me on the show. And so a little bit about me. I mean, as you said, I'm a psychologist by trade. And I I guess I've done a few things, really. I started out my career in business consulting, doing various things, kind of moved into healthcare. I was just really interested in getting into people, I suppose, in business consulting. You working with an individual in their role. Sydney, 20 odd years ago when I started doing that. Where is I wanted to get a little bit deeper. I wanted to help people make transformations and make kind of profound changes in their lives. So I went and did lots of therapy, training, and then got involved with a medical doctor here in the UK who had a particular interest in chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia and what medicines at the time referred to as functional symptoms and syndromes. I know that's kind of changed nowadays. There's been a variety of names over the years, but the show we work together, we we evolved a process which is a mind body process and backing this beauty to thousands. Really back in those days, there wasn't huge acceptance, I suppose, of the notion of mind body approaches. There was there was in the kind of the spiritual world, but certainly in mainstream things are very much viewed as a separate mind or mental and physical body. And so we were looking at these kinds of health challenges from a perspective that, well, a body and brain that's in a perpetual state of stress ultimately breaks down and leads to a series of symptoms. And it could be quite a wide range of symptoms. *Kyle* [00:03:27] So since I've been in that world for the most part and since then, really, I I've I do corporate work as well now because the whole kind of idea of wellbeing in the last few years is as developed within organizations. And I think there is this ignition that's to, you know, in order to have people be engaged and productive, ideally, they need to be have a sense of purpose, have a sense of meaning and be reasonably happy. So at the moment, my working life comprises both a combination of private therapy, work, working with sufferers of chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, irritable bowel anxiety, depression, and then the corporate work where I'm accommodation of kind of coaching workshops, where I'm helping people, I suppose, get the best out of themselves. And as you said in that that intro, getting mental clarity really to be able to help people kind of perform effectively. So that's a bit of a nutshell of where I was and where I am now. *Ari* [00:04:31] Yeah, absolutely. You know, it sounds like you're doing some amazing things and you're in you're in Wales, correct? I'm in Wales. OK. So Wales is different than the US, obviously. And, you know, some of the things that that I have found as I've been teaching and training people in other countries is that the systems are so different. And it you know, it's hard. I wrote my course for the U.S. market. And when I was teaching somebody who was in the UK. It was very different because of the National Health Service, you know, and and some of those things. What are some of the the challenges and problems that you've had to face and some of the benefits that you've been able to to have from the system of in the UK? *Kyle* [00:05:26] I think in terms of challenges, probably the major thing is that because of the National Health Service, despite the national. The idea in principle, I think being brilliant is that everybody gets health care. The downside of it is that people become reasonably passive in relation to health care. So whereas in the US. From what I understand, you can you can select your primary care physician, whereas in the UK, if somebody has a problem, they immediately go to their GP and if they want to see a specialist, they need to be referred from their GP. And whatever problem the person has, they will go to their GP. And again, because the way that's paid for is if your unemployed person. A proportion of your income is taken every month before you can see it. So it's almost kind. This is always a feeling that health care is free. So I think what the you know, the kind of end result of that for people like me is that there is possibly a or historically there's been a reluctance to go outside of the national health and pay for treatments. But also there's nothing else to say because because people automatically follow that route. There is a tendency to be reasonably passive when approaching health care. So those are probably the sort of the the downsides, I would say, of the healthcare system over here. Say, I think it's great because it means that people get health care and don't have to worry about that. And certainly in Wales, it's even to the extent that you will if you're prescribed a medication by your GP, you get that free or free university comes. It's paid for by national health. And that was one of the things that we've just had with a whole kind of Covid thing is, is that the main issue was that the main concern seemed to be that the health care service, the NHS, wouldn't be able to cope if, you know, a huge number of a huge proportion of people got ill. So that's that's the sort of the the the down side. On the plus side, as opposed to a certain extent, if that answers the question. *Ari* [00:07:56] Yeah. You know, the thing that that strikes me every time I talk to anybody about National Healthcare Service versus insurance based like it is here in the US, is that really there's very little difference between the kind of care we get. It's it's more about who's paying versus based on results. There are some countries that have more of a results based versus procedure based system. *Ari* [00:08:26] But in both the UK and the US, the really the difference that that I've seen is a difference in who's paying versus the difference in actual system of medicine. *Ari* [00:08:42] It's kind of frustrating to me to to learn about, you know, the different countries and the different systems of healthcare. *Ari* [00:08:52] You know, what are are some of the things like I ask because you have training in the mindset, but you also have training in some of the functional medicine side of things. *Kyle* [00:09:04] So I don't actually know that I'm not trained in functional medicine stuff. *Ari* [00:09:08] OK. So you're addressing the stress of anxiety and chronic fatigue through a mindset approach? *Kyle* [00:09:16] I'm addressing it from a perspective of what I suppose you could say. It's function. I'm not a trained functional practitioner, but I'm I'm approaching it. I suppose there are some fundamental pieces. So I'm approaching it from a perspective that stress is is basically the underpinning cause. But I'm looking at stress, not from a psychological perspective, but from a perspective that the stress response in the body is largely the same, regardless of the stress. So that could mean that the environment, be it something physical, something emotional, stress response, is pretty much the same. And that's, I suppose, the basic tenets of my approach. *Kyle* [00:09:55] So I'm looking at it like, OK, so you could have a car accident, you could fall down a flight of stairs, you can have a really bad diet. You could lose a job. You can have a bad case of flu, there's any you know, you could be sleeping really badly. All of those things trigger their stress. And I'm looking at it in a very simplified, practical way. But the idea that, well, they're all they are all going to trigger stress at some level in the body. And it's the the combined impact of all of those things that will then results in the production of symptoms. All the bodies of body and brain stress response being stuck on the idea of that will, when the stress response is stuck on that causes a an impact or causes the systems of the bottom to be dysfunctional. So you or two Dabic nervous system, the immune system, that endocrine system, they will kind of out of whack. So that's that's the principle of it. And it's looking at from a perspective of what they're kind of pillars of health. So we need to really look at our sleep. *Kyle* [00:11:00] We need to look at our nutrition. We need to look at our movement fundamentally. For me, I think I see emotion as being the biggest piece. But I'm not looking at emotion from a cognitive perspective as such. I'm looking at an emotion as being, you know, this complex physiological process that affects basically all of the body and all of the brain. So I'm trying to break down the barriers of the kind of the mind polity that. All right. Well, this person deals with mental stuff. This person is with physical stuff. So I recognize that some level well, there's organic things in the body and there are things you could talk about with mindset. But in terms of impact, does it say for me what's missing, especially when you're looking at emotion, you're looking at something which is a mind body process. So in terms of the work that I do, yes, I do look at sleep. I do look at nutrition. I do look at exercise. I find for the most part those those are reasonably tangible. And it's not that they're an easy fix, but they are tangible and that, you know, you can give step by step procedures, whether it's when it comes to emotion. Emotion is is deep. It's tricky. There are spiritual aspects to that because it connects to, well, who am I? My sense of me and how I relate to life, my identity, so much of my work is about getting into that that deeper side of things. So I try to view it is to a certain extent it's functional because I'm looking at it from a holistic perspective. But as I say, probably the focus and it can be because of where I come from. But my belief is that the biggest contributory factors to the conditions I'm working with are unprocessed, blocked or imbalanced emotion. *Ari* [00:12:52] You know that that's a thing that, as you know, I've I've worked with emotional release, somatic body work for a long time. And it's probably some of my favorite work is the issues are in the tissues. Let's get it out of the tissues. The number one cause of all diseases is stress. And it's, I think, considered the third or fourth contributing cause of death, but it contributes to all other diseases as well. So, you know, here, here's the thing. We're going to end the call. But I end this always asking three actionable steps that somebody can take right now who's listening to shift their health, to shift their world so that they can create a new tomorrow within themselves. *Kyle* [00:13:41] Three actual steps. I think that's what we know, is that changing behavior is quite tough and people tend to behave at an unconscious pattern. I think the probably the the most important things are being more present, paying attention to oneself a little bit more and how and how you feel knowing that. All right. Well, actually, I feel is quite important, really. And so I need to let myself feel we live in a very externally focused culture where we block how we feel. So that that's that's probably the that's the major thing is I'll allow what you feel. Recognize that putting yourself first is not being selfish. So I'm honoring what you feel. Speaking and acting from your truth, not your view. And that is what will self self first is not selfish. So. I didn't get the last three, but those are the kinds of things really. Without going into much deeper stuff. *Ari* [00:14:44] Well, so. So let's talk about just a couple of actionable ways. So you're saying focus on yourself to be present. Do you have a technique or a tool that somebody can take away right now and use to do that more appropriately? Because you can say something like be more present with yourself. But a lot of people really don't know how to do that. *Kyle* [00:15:08] No, they don't. I suppose the thing that I start with my clients is this coming what I had on the back of this as well, something I start on with my clients is just having them breathing in in a conscious or optimal way, which is I am not looking because breathing in the work that I do is is a foundation rather than a it's a you know, it's it's meant to pull people back into their body. It's not meant as a tool to alleviate symptoms. So I don't I'm not looking for any kind of complex behavior patterns. You know, if people want to do yoga. Breath work, Brilliant. What I have people do say we'll just come back into your body at various times through the day as you catch your attention or you can set something on your watch and just pay attention to your breathing and feel yourself towards a natural rhythmic breathing for yourself. Ideally, a little bit slower and a little bit deeper. Now, that could be you. You breathe in for a count of three and out four to five. I never if I'm never in favor of forcing something. So that's comfortable breathing from the balance of a slower, deeper way. That's a brilliant way of beginning to come into the party. So he is. So that's. So that's. That would be one thing. He isn't just a little bit in terms of the way I work with the idea of tools and techniques. *Kyle* [00:16:30] It tends to be the case that people, in my experience, always revert back to what they normally do because their behavior is unconsciously driven. If people stop doing it too little technique, very often they'll do it for a little bit and then they'll stop and they'll either revert back to what they were doing before or the brain. It's in its attempt to seek novelty will look for the next thing. What I try to do it is what I do is have more understanding. If people can understand where the nature of their experience comes from, what gives rise to my construction of reality, what gives rise to my buy mood or gives rise to my feelings? Where does all that come from? When people begin to understand all that, they can then adjust themselves because they begin to have read, have realizations and insight into. All right. I can begin to see how I'm creating that for myself. Now, in doing that, I find that people can naturally adjust rather than having a will give me a tool or a technique. Now, there are kind of little tools and exercises as part of what I do with people, but I've just kind of given that as a as a foundational principle. That's kind of one of the ideas for breathing. I mean, you can't go wrong, can you, in terms of that? *Kyle* [00:17:46] That really probably should be a foundational piece for everybody. You know, it's just not breathing properly, whether you want it to come to a breathing course or whether you just want it getting to your body and breathe a little bit more. I mean, that's how I started. But a lot of anxiety and depression is when I was between my late teens, early 20s and most of it. There's a number of factors, but most of it was because I just lived in my head. So I force myself out of my head, were very heads orientated culture or cultures. So I had to force myself out of my head. One of the ways I did that was just bringing my attention back to my breathing and feeling what it what it would feel like in my party, being aware of the tensions. Being aware that the feelings, just observing them are not. I didn't I hadn't read anything to to encourage me to do that. I've just sort of naturally did that. So but that I would say is that would be my number one. *Ari* [00:18:43] Awesome. So, you know, when I used to do a lot of corporate gigs, I would talk to people about standing up and breathing, because if you're sitting down and breathing, your diaphragm is cutting off your lung capacity by about 50 percent. And so you're only drawing in so much nutrients, so much oxygen, so much that you can process and use for brain health, which is why people go to work and get brain fog a lot. And so if you stand up and extend your torso, all of a sudden you're taking your lungs off of your diaphragm and you're able to do full belly breaths. And that brings more oxygen, more nutrients to the cells, more oxygen and nutrients to your brain, which then makes you a little clearer, a little more cognitive and have the ability to handle stress at a much deeper level. So that is a fantastic. You know, piece of tool for for the listeners. And, you know, I'll have to have you on again. We're gonna do this again. Thank you so much for being here. Kyle, where where can people who want to get a hold of you. Get a hold of you? What's what's some information that they can check in with you? *Kyle* [00:19:57] My Web site is energycoaching.com. My I'm on social media, on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn and energy flow coaching,. *Ari* [00:20:08] Energyflowcoaching.com. *Ari* [00:20:10] Kyle Davis, thank you so much for being here on another episode of Create a New Tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich, and I look forward to hearing from you and seeing you on the next episode. Thank you so much. Have a healthy day. *Ari* [00:20:27] Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. If you'd like to take this information further and are interested in joining a community of like minded people who are all passionate about activating their vision for a better world, go to the Web site, createanewtomorrow.com and find out how you can be part of making a bigger difference. *Ari* [00:20:49] I have a gift for you just for checking it out and look forward to seeing you take the leap and joining our private paid mastermind community. Until then, see you on the next episode.

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Hi, I am here with Justin Recla, He is an Army veteran and former counterintelligence agent who successfully transitioned counterintelligence techniques into the business world. As a corporate counterintelligence consultant, he increases trust and certainty for his clients’ business relationships and founded the Clear Business Directory ( http://clearbusinessdirectory.com/ ) to promote transparency in business-to-business transactions. here is the full episode hope you enjoy. Listen in your favorite podcast app.

Hi, I am here with Sonia Lewis. She holds a dual BA degree in History and Psychology. Sonia went on to further her education by earning a Secondary Teaching Credential and a Master's degree in Education from San Francisco State University. Sonia spent more than 20 years in the traditional classroom teaching Social Studies and managing a small magnet program that focused on Criminal Justice.JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMMastermind - Create A New Tomorrow Inner Circlelearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK OUT ARI'S A NEW TOMORROW BOOKhttps://bit.ly/3d7EMg4CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.#Podcast #health #Education #CreateANewTomorrow

Hi, I am here with Justin Recla, He is an Army veteran and former counterintelligence agent who successfully transitioned counterintelligence techniques into the business world. As a corporate counterintelligence consultant, he increases trust and certainty for his client’s business relationships and founded the Clear Business Directory ( http://clearbusinessdirectory.com/ ) to promote transparency in business-to-business transactions. Hear it live on Monday at 6 Am for the full episode in your favorite podcast app.

We're here with Sesh Sukhdeo, and he is an amazing collaborative influencer on the world. this man has spoken at parliament. He's spoken in front of the U.N. He's been a consultant to companies that are major, major, major corporations, World Bank, as well as countries themselves. *Episode Highlights* *Sesh* [00:01:40] Wow. Well, thank you so much. Ari, what a pleasure. Well, when you hear such an introduction, it's always interesting when you hear someone else playing your story or some of your highlights. It's always engaging, but but there's nothing more, I would say rewarding than looking in your own mirror. Right. So so whatever I'm about to say, Ari, really, it's just it's not about who, you know, what I've done, but it's more about who I am, I think. Yeah. All of those things are really the manifestation of efforts in some shape or form. But for every great story, there's probably a hill that we've all had to fall down to get to the store. And so, yes, I've had some some really interesting highlights in my career and in my life. But like with most business people, most entrepreneurs and most people, it's a rollercoaster, you know, and and the the wisdom that we have today. It's something we can reflect on, but, you know, when you when you start off early in your career, we all have dreams. We all have those strong desires. *Ari* [00:05:37] Beyond beyond that, you know, as as you've consulted companies like world banks and countries, what have you seen as the biggest block to people being able to get that mindset, the heart set to be adaptable to change? *Sesh* [00:05:57] Yeah, well, you've mentioned two things to the mind sets and the heart intelligence. And I was speaking to a global thought leader, Murray Diamond. But I'm only last week and we've been having this really interesting conversation and very recently people saying, I'm so sensual, so soulful and it just resonating. And I'm I keep going back and says, well, you know. How comes in my career, I've built those wonderful relationships. Well, I did a lot of this. Yes. Because one has to understand who you're dealing with. *Ari* [00:08:37] So which piece of that is true? Which piece of that isn't true? How does you make it optimize? You know me, I'm I'm all about performance and optimization. Right. Getting results. So the question I get to ask myself is what results make things more optimal? And if I have dissenting opinions, I can find out if those results are going to be more optimal or if the results that I have or if they're somewhere in between that we can play with, that becomes more optimal. *Sesh* [00:10:23] Right. And so one is one of the big problems in business very often is we think, you know, there's a concern for task and a concern for people. We know that there's a continuum when you are purely focused on performance. Without concern for people, that balance shifts as we see today. OK, so so for me, put peak performance is great, but but not at the cost. Not at a cost. I'm not I swear, I think not, but as you said it, there's a balance between here and here, which is our consciousness, I guess it's way that lives anyway, right? Yeah. *Ari* [00:11:08] All right. So we're gonna have one. One final question. *Ari* [00:11:13] The question I always ask at the end is, can you give one to three actionable steps that somebody can take now to move their life forward in a meaningful way that they can literally take and say, OK, I can write this down and I can start on it now? *Sesh* [00:13:46] And it's it's you know, I'm also, you know, I read it irrespective of all of the wonders of things I have done, I am personally going through my own journey again. And and it's it's a beautiful moment. Absolutely beautiful moment. And what I found is all three of those things have brought to me. A global in my sphere of radiance is with influential people who are coming one by one. It's effortless. *Resources and Links* * *https:www.facebook.com/sesh.sukhdeo* * *https://CreateANewTomorrow.com* * *https://www.facebook.com/arigronich* *Full Transcription* *Ari&Sesh1.mp3* *Ari* [00:00:01] Has it occurred to you that the systems we live by are not designed to get results. We pay for procedures instead of outcomes, focusing on emergencies rather than preventing disease and living a healthy lifestyle. For over 25 years, I've taken care of Olympians, Paralympians, A-list actors and Fortune 1000 companies. If I did not get results, they did not get results. I realized that while powerful people who controlled the system want to keep the status quo. If I were to educate the masses, you would demand change. So I'm taking the gloves off and going after the systems as they are. Join me on my mission to create a new tomorrow as a chat with industry experts. Elite athletes thought leaders and government officials about how we activate our vision for a better world. We may agree and we may disagree, but I'm not backing down. *Ari* [00:00:50] I'm Ari Gronich and this is. Create a new tomorrow podcast. *Ari* [00:00:59] Welcome to the Create a new Tomorrow podcast. *Ari* [00:01:03] We're here with Sesh Sukddeo, and he is an amazing collaborative influencer on the world. I'm going to let him tell you a little bit more about what he has done and who he is. But this man has spoken at parliament. *Ari* [00:01:20] He's spoken in front of the U.N. He's been a consultant to companies that are major, major, major corporations, World Bank, as well as countries themselves. So, Sesh, I'm going to let you kind of give a little bit more about who you are and why is it that I'm talking to you. *Sesh* [00:01:40] Wow. Well, thank you so much. Ari, what a pleasure. Well, when you hear such an introduction, it's always interesting when you hear someone else playing your story or some of your highlights. It's always engaging, but but there's nothing more, I would say rewarding than looking in your own mirror. Right. So so whatever I'm about to say, Ari, really, it's just it's not about who, you know, what I've done, but it's more about who I am, I think. Yeah. All of those things are really the manifestation of efforts in some shape or form. But for every great story, there's probably a hill that we've all had to fall down to get to the store. And so, yes, I've had some some really interesting highlights in my career and in my life. But like with most business people, most entrepreneurs and most people, it's a rollercoaster, you know, and and the the wisdom that we have today. It's something we can reflect on, but, you know, when you when you start off early in your career, we all have dreams. We all have those strong desires. *Sesh* [00:02:53] And sometimes those desires aren't really aligned because that's why we need to develop our skills and our knowledge and our experiences. It's all part of the learning journey. So, yes, my name is Sash. Yes, I've done some wonderful things in my career. But the best way I describe what I've done is I love to build authentic relationships. And so that's what I'm about. I've been I've realized that that was my truth. *Sesh* [00:03:23] My truth was void of all of those traumas. All of those issues, all of those challenges. Every time I fell over down the hill and I tumble off, I picked myself up. I realized that my authentic self was my inner voice, which I managed to express in a different light. I realized that like a child, when you fall off the bike, when you remember when you first start cycling and you fall off. We what do we do? We pick ourselves up and we carry on with. We don't care. Bruised, bleeding, not hurt, but we don't. But what happens is when we get older and we continue falling, we bring a lot of emotional pieces. *Sesh* [00:04:10] We bring all of those desires that we have, which are really in itself probably an enemy because you become so attached to something that it drives you. You lose yourself in the process. So that all makes sense. You know, what am I. I am a person who loves to engage. I love to collaborate. I do so. In a way that there is value for all sides. And I've enjoyed the process of. Finding a way to reinvent myself at every stage possible. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. There are some people who start their careers and they're able to start and finish on one lane. But most entrepreneurs, as we know, to go down that path. It's just the nature of who we are. Anyway, I hope that makes sense. *Ari* [00:05:09] Yeah. Oh, it makes sense. *Ari* [00:05:10] You know, they say that the saying got it that they got wrong is survival of the fittest. It's not survival of the fittest. Fittest that Darwin said it's survival of the most adaptable survive. *Ari* [00:05:26] If you can adapt to change, then you're going to be the one who survives. And we've had obviously a lot of change in the last few months. Right. *Sesh* [00:05:35] Right. Right. *Ari* [00:05:37] Beyond beyond that, you know, as as you've consulted companies like world banks and countries, what have you seen as the biggest block to people being able to get that mindset, the heart set to be adaptable to change? *Sesh* [00:05:57] Yeah, well, you've mentioned two things to the mind sets and the heart intelligence. And I was speaking to a global thought leader, Murray Diamond. But I'm only last week and we've been having this really interesting conversation and very recently people saying, I'm so sensual, so soulful and it just resonating. And I'm I keep going back and says, well, you know. How comes in my career, I've built those wonderful relationships. Well, I did a lot of this. Yes. Because one has to understand who you're dealing with. *Sesh* [00:06:33] There has to be a princess to engage. But actually, it was my heart intelligence. That people were people by people naturally. Well, what happens is what's the blockage, Larry, is that we place barriers in front of us. And we we self sabotage. We don't value ourselves the way in which we can self-love. Trust me. Should be enormous. Should be something that we can relate to internally, that mirror that I mentioned. That's when I look in the mirror. And and so I think that, you know, I guess the biggest challenges that I see, it's the people you're dealing with. You have a choice. You have to also understand who do you resonate with. And if you believe that there's no one else like you out there, then you'll never come across people who are like minded. And there's a choice. We have a choice. All of those things you've spoken about are just a handful of many of the relationships that any one of us has managed to foster and develop. The truth is knowing when to step away. Knowing who's not in your tribe. You can't force energy that flow doesn't look that makes sense. *Ari* [00:08:02] That makes, you know, the kind of person loves to have dissenting opinion opinions around me. I like to have debates. I like to have arguments. I like to pick fights a little bit with especially with the system at large. Right. *Ari* [00:08:19] And I like those dissenting opinions because it allows me to develop more nuanced, critical thinking skills. *Ari* [00:08:28] I get to take that information in and then put it into my kind of calculator mind. *Ari* [00:08:37] So which piece of that is true? Which piece of that isn't true? How does you make it optimize? You know me, I'm I'm all about performance and optimization. Right. Getting results. So the question I get to ask myself is what results make things more optimal? And if I have dissenting opinions, I can find out if those results are going to be more optimal or if the results that I have or if they're somewhere in between that we can play with, that becomes more optimal. *Ari* [00:09:08] So to me, my tribe is people who have my opinion, who have my belief, and those who don't just like skill sets. Right. We want people with different skill sets. So I like what you're saying because they have to have the energy of openness in order to even have those conversations. Right. *Sesh* [00:09:29] You've got you've got you know, as you as you were talking, you know, just one word was was appearing as you were talking, which is truth. Why would you know if you if you are true to yourself and you really wanted to live of value, right? Yes. We need to use critical thinking skills. Yes, we need to use whatever skills we need to engage. But not every discussion starts off while the safety is a wind theme. Right. For all people. Well, what is important is, is being able to navigate forward and what you've described is. *Sesh* [00:10:08] Is using. Everything that you have about you, which is you, because if it's not meaningful to you, how on earth will your passion flow? *Sesh* [00:10:23] Right. And so one is one of the big problems in business very often is we think, you know, there's a concern for task and a concern for people. We know that there's a continuum when you are purely focused on performance. Without concern for people, that balance shifts as we see today. OK, so so for me, put peak performance is great, but but not at the cost. Not at a cost. I'm not I swear, I think not, but as you said it, there's a balance between here and here, which is our consciousness, I guess it's way that lives anyway, right? Yeah. *Ari* [00:11:08] All right. So we're gonna have one. One final question. *Ari* [00:11:13] The question I always ask at the end is, can you give one to three actionable steps that somebody can take now to move their life forward in a meaningful way that they can literally take and say, OK, I can write this down and I can start on it now? *Sesh* [00:11:34] Yeah, so I think the first thing is, is to check on the ego. It's not something you can actually weigh on a scale. OK? But one needs to reflect. One needs to perhaps maybe just explore. *Sesh* [00:11:51] What is it that sits there from the ego perspective? OK. And I guess the first thing. So so the first thing is just reflects, you know, just just maybe read up and just just take a check. Despite this, catch yourself. Are you making a decision because you are a new only? Or we're making decision because it's of benefit to everyone. Now, the ego means that we've got to I think the second thing in areas is we're in an environment where social distancing has now become the norm. That creates an opportunity to maybe talk differently, communicate differently. Now, we all know from from from research that most of our communication is body language. How on earth? Right. But you're going to see my expression if I'm wearing a mask. So in a way, this is where we get the opportunity to reflect. So the second thing is. The ego. Yes, but reflect. We have an opportunity to reflect in ways that we've never had before in depth. And the third thing, Ari, is my third piece of my wisdom would be when you find your frequency. *Sesh* [00:13:08] That resonates. You have to be ready. To go with the flow. *Ari* [00:13:17] I think that's the one with the going with the flow is hard for people, especially when they have preconceived notions about. *Ari* [00:13:26] What they should shouldn't, you know. *Ari* [00:13:29] All yes, those things. *Sesh* [00:13:30] So that's sort says preconceived notions are driven from wisdom. But is driven from ego or desire. Only then is it. You know, where to enter the rainbow again so that it's desperate that those are the three things that I would say. *Sesh* [00:13:46] And it's it's you know, I'm also, you know, I read it irrespective of all of the wonders of things I have done, I am personally going through my own journey again. And and it's it's a beautiful moment. Absolutely beautiful moment. And what I found is all three of those things have brought to me. A global in my sphere of radiance is with influential people who are coming one by one. It's effortless. *Sesh* [00:14:18] They're arriving. It's like the law of attraction. The intentions. It's like magical living. *Sesh* [00:14:24] All those things have now come into one. *Sesh* [00:14:29] So I'm just here. And I'm not going to a great my friend. Right. So let me see. You've got none. But my point is my point is it's never too late. *Ari* [00:14:42] Absolutely. Haven't having a hold of you. *Sesh* [00:14:45] Say that again? *Ari* [00:14:46] How can people get a hold of you? *Sesh* [00:14:49] So game changer sesh dot com. You know, it's been difficult trying to say my surname, but Game Change Assoc. Coalminer's where you can find me. OK. My name is pretty easy if you type in the sash. It's Sesh you're bound to find you'll recognize my picture. It's pretty easy to click on the link. *Ari* [00:15:07] Some people are going to be just listening to the audio so we'll know. Well, there's a picture up of you. Yeah. *Ari* [00:15:13] So thank you so much for for being here, for offering your words of wisdom and your years of experience. *Ari* [00:15:21] And I so appreciate it. And everybody go check out game changer sesh.org or sesh.com. *Sesh* [00:15:30] Dot com and. *Ari* [00:15:33] And find out what he's doing. He just had this amazing event with Forbes, Riley and Alex Stern, who created constant contact. I mean, it's it's an incredible road. *Sesh* [00:15:45] Angel. Don't forget Robo Angel, the creator of Pictionary. *Ari* [00:15:48] That's right. Rob Angel. Pictionary. *Sesh* [00:15:51] What was it, 60 million games to a million. *Sesh* [00:15:54] Thirty eight million. OK. I exaggerated. Yeah. *Sesh* [00:15:59] That's okay. We've got another event taking place on the 19th of September. Comes this uprising game changer, too, Ari? This is going to be. Well, you know, you already you know, you seem to feed back online. You see that people's lives. I said that right at the beginning. There are going to be some of you that are going to have the most dramatic aha moments. I missed exactly what happened. So I'm about to do number two. *Ari* [00:16:25] So I challenged to go and check that out and really start reflecting on yourself, finding out what is you, what is your ego, what's your fear and trauma versus what you really want. What do you want to do to live passionately, you know, create a new tomorrow is all about how we're going to activate our vision for a better world, how we're going to create the world that we want instead of living in and suffering in the world that's been created in generations before us. *Ari* [00:16:56] My saying is we made this up and we can make it up better. So let's do something about it. *Ari* [00:17:01] Let's check the ego, reflect on yourself, find out who you want to be. And when we get there, you really get to activate that vision and those passions for a better world. *Ari* [00:17:14] So thank you so much just for being here. And and we will talk again soon. *Sesh* [00:17:20] Thank you so much. Our pleasure. Thank you. Have a great day. Thank you. *Ari* [00:17:27] Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. If you'd like to take this information further and are interested in joining a community of like minded people who are all passionate about activating their vision for a better world, go to the Web site, createanewtomorrow.com and find out how you can be part of making a bigger difference. I have a gift for you. Just for checking it out. *Ari* [00:17:52] And look forward to seeing you take the leap. And joining our private paid mastermind community. Until then, see you on the next episode.

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Hi, I am here with kris gieske, he is a Strength and Conditioning Specialist here in Colorado Springs. he has dedicated his life to learning neuromechanics and biomechanics which give him the tools to help you reach the pinnacle of your performance. Working with the nervous system he can get results instantly and he loves seeing the changes that happen with my clients from decreased pain to increased athleticism and strength. here is the Highlights of the episode hope you enjoy. Listen to the full episode in your favorite podcast app.  Ari Gronich 0:07 And welcome to another special edition of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. I'm here in Denver, Colorado, and I'm talking to Kris Gieske, who is a strength and conditioning coach. He was a military vet who started his career helping to rehabilitate wounded vets as well. So I'm going to let him tell you a little bit about who he is and why we're here why we're talking. Kris Gieske 0:37 All right, well, my name is Kris Gieske our he said him, I am a strength conditioning coach. And I have a neurological background through Z health. And I got started in that through getting medically discharged military actually, to do a lot of back pain. A lot of hip pain, knee pain, shoulders, you know, different things like that. And the first time I went to this place called Life quest transitions, they had this big banner, right. And we're kind of almost voluntold to go have that term voluntold. So I went in there, I'm just like, okay, whatever. I don't know what this is all about. But they're talking about all this neurological training, and then doing a little bit of strength conditioning on top of that. And I met a friend and mentor of mine named Dr. Grove Hagen's. And he started just doing some ankle mobility work with me. And when I didn't have very much mobility in my back at the time, I could only bend, you know, just a few inches before I just had excruciating lower back pain. And after just doing a few like ankle drills, mobility drills, I was almost touching the floor. And for me, because I was like, there's no way that something so stupid could have worked so well, you know. And so over time, I started going there, and I got myself better. And I started feeling really good. And there's another program out there called the Mission Continues. And basically what they did is they let you volunteer, any nonprofit that give you a stipend. So I decided to start to work for life quest. And they allowed me to take the Z health certifications for free, which is amazing, because those are about two or three grand a pop, right, and being a veteran come out of the military, you know, you don't kind of spending money. So it's pretty awesome. And so then I started working there with a lot of veterans of PTSD and veterans that just weren't overall broken, because the military does what the military does, and breaks, you know, a lot of anti moving out of people getting really a lot of bad backs, knees, shoulders, and not only were able to rehabilitate them, you know, to go back to live with their families and cut their medications, like, by 80%, some of them Wow. But also, if someone got to return to duty, they didn't think they'd be able to return to duty. So that was pretty awesome. Ari Gronich 3:06 So, you know, being that you've been in the military, and then had to exit the military, due to medical, you know, issues and so forth. And we've all heard that kind of the system is broken, especially for vets. So what was your experience going through the VA programs, and trying to get yourself healthy? To where you weren't in so much pain? What was what was that experience? Like? What were the areas that you could see room for improvement? Let's say? Kris Gieske 3:41 Definitely, it's, it's like the normal medical system, right? You go in and they're like, here's some pain pills. You know, here's some end Said's, you know, or some anti inflammatories. And you take them and you don't feel any better and, and then all sudden, I just happen to stumble in this place called Life quest through a captain that was I was going through. It's called rear detachment. It's a special, you know, brigade that you're in as you're transitioning out. And he was like, hey, go check this place out. And I think there's a huge disconnect between, you know, not just like chiropractic, but also training, neurological training, there's a whole plethora of different modalities you can do to make yourself better that people don't realize exist. Ari Gronich 4:32 So, you know, what's your mission? Because, you know, really, this is all about having a platform for vets. And for, you know, really anybody who's suffering from pain and trauma and so on, to get results and get better. So, you know, what would be the things that you would say need to be fixed the you know, the solutions to some of These issues. Kris Gieske 5:01 So the solutions definitely is people that do like training, physical, you know, therapists and stuff like that, I think there needs to be better communication happens between trainers and that aspect, because I used to work for national Personal Training Institute, and the owner was like, hey, Ace just wants to know, what do you feel would be a really good, you know, type of program that they should start to implement. And I was like, you know, it'd be awesome if we could get personal trainers, strength conditioning coaches, corrective exercise specialist to be able to communicate a little bit better with doctors. So I think the communication, there is something that needs to be a little bit tweaked and fixed. Ari Gronich 5:54 Yeah, so let's talk a little bit about the way that that happens. Because you know, as I always tell chiropractors when I'm consulting with them is, you know, you need to train your massage therapist, and how to work with you how to work with their patients, in order to support what you're trying to do. Because if you get an adjustment, a half hour to an hour later, you're already back out of place. Because your muscles are controlling whether you're in place or not. So you got to train the therapist who's, who's there to support your patience, not just in a relaxation massage, but in how to specifically work on the anatomy that you need worked on, in order for you to get the benefit of the work you just did. Right? Yes, yeah. And that goes the same for being able to tell a personal trainer or a strength and conditioning coach or somebody like that. The same kind of thing. Okay, I have this patient here, who is not getting better from my treatments for three years, right? Yeah, maybe they need something different. And an add on, that doesn't mean not going to the chiropractor, or not going to the physical therapists or not going to the massage therapist, because this happens, no matter what the field is, right? The personal trainer doesn't necessarily want to send them to somebody else. The massage therapist, you know, thinks that they'll, they don't have enough money to work with both of them, you know, both them and somebody else. And so we're not doing the referrals, that really would get the patient better because of our own fears. Right? Yeah. So as as an audience member, you can kind of relate this to your experiences with being in treatment, being in pain, you go to first doctor, and they give you some pills, the pills don't work. So you have to go to somebody else. Did they? Did that doctor refer you to the other person? Or did you have to go find them through your friends and family? You know, what's the way that you got to them? And how do you know then that they're the ones that are going to be able to take care of your specific problem. And that's just an industry wide system wide issue, that it's really hard to educate a consumer or patient or audience on? Because it's can't be gotten to be incumbent upon you to really do your research on who you're going to. And it really should be a more of a referral system from one professional expert to another. Kris Gieske 8:41 Yeah, right. Yeah, absolutely. And you're talking about the fear thing, you know, for years, and I've never understood this Ari, like, for a long time, is that a lot of medical doctors will view things like chiropractic, like is almost Voodoo. You know, I'm saying like, that's a real stigma out there. Like even still, even though, you know, you'll get somebody that comes in, you know, just them they'll be out of pain and good. Or, you know, such as doing some of the stuff that I do with the brain training stuff. They're like, like, I've talked to a friend of mine, who's a orthopedic surgeon, you know, it's kind of like, brushes it off his video or whatever, but it's like, No, these, these are modalities that actually work and it's not like I've seen it with one or two people like I've worked with hundreds of patients, and all of them generally get something out of it. Ari Gronich 9:36 So let's talk a little bit about neuro mechanics and how they differ from biomechanics. And a little bit more about you know, how the brain because most people think I hit my thumb with a hammer, my thumb is throbbing. I am I have pain in my thumb. Yeah, right. This is the process in the brain, right? That the thinking brain goes through, I think, right? So what is the process and the actual body going through? Okay? And then what's the difference between the neuro mechanics, biomechanics? And those kinds of things, because what we want to give to the audience is things that they can learn that they can then start to do so that they can change their own world create a new tomorrow today for themselves. Kris Gieske 10:25 Absolutely, yeah. So the best way I get people to distinguish between their actual brain and the thinking brain, right, is I used to work with veterans, okay. So, my friend worked with this one guy, and he was bone off from the legs, you know, from the hip down, like he had no lower extremities whatsoever. And you'd be working with him, you'd be like, man, I just feel like my toes are being spread apart. Okay, this guy has no legs at all right? But what's still there? The map in his brain to that lower extremity, right? So another another way I can put this right, is if I had if you're a paraplegic, right, and I took a knife and I stabbed you in the leg, right? You just kind of look at me, like I was a jerk. You should write, but you would not feel any pain. Why? Because there is nothing going through your brain signaling to your brain, hey, something's going on. Right? And basically, what the brain does, is it does three things, right? It receives information, right? Then it or gets sent input right from your body, then it receives and decides what to do with it, and then it sends an output, right? And that output is either you know, I can move my hand through space and time, or how that hurts. Or, you know, glandular functions such as sweat, right? hearse are salivating. And if the input going in, is disrupted, right, it's going to send a poor output. Right? And basically, NZ have what they call a threat bucket. Right? So you have, you know, going through your day you have, you know, stress you have, you know, all these different things going in, right? Maybe bad movement patterns. And if you have enough of that nociceptor information going to your brain, right, detecting threat, you know, it's gonna say, I don't like this, I need this, you know, protect myself a little bit. And that's ultimately what pain is. It's a protective mechanism. Ari Gronich 12:34 I think that's an interesting thing for people to understand. Pain is a threat mechanism. Kris Gieske 12:43 Yeah, yeah, pain. I mean, your brain makes it makes you protects you, right? In a way it protects you is through pain. Right? It's almost counterintuitive. But if I had like, for instance, I'll take, for example, a guy that I've worked with, and he had rotator cuff surgery, and I worked with him after he was cleared with the physical therapist and everything. He just didn't have full range of motion. And he would get to hear right, and it would hurt. How, oh, right? Well, if he kept going there, what happens? Ari Gronich 13:19 It's kind of like a fly is in a cage, or a frog, in a cage jumping, jumping, hitting the ceiling, and then eventually, right doesn't want to go above this above that point. So you could eventually take away the ceiling, and you'll never run escape. Right? Kris Gieske 13:38 So what what eventually can happen as well as a pain loop, right? So people who are in pain can get really good at being in pain. So eventually, you know, it'll get to where you can't move here, and then you can't move in here, then you can't be here. So all we call do with him, right? Is I started doing just little motions, that didn't hurt, right? And then eventually it's like, oh, and he's able to go higher, and then higher and then higher, right? Because I reduce that threat to his brain. Right, that said, something's going on there. And I don't like it. Right? Because he was moving in pain free range of motion. That's okay. And, you know, there's obviously some strength instability that can be built up there too, as well. But ultimately, it's what's going on up here, right? How threatened isthis? Ari Gronich 14:25 Right. And you know, the thing that they don't understand is happening is when they're going forward like that. your diaphragm is here, and your heart is here, your lungs are here, and you start crunching these down, you don't have as much deep ability to breathe deep. Your organs start getting crunched on and squeezed on and they can't function as readily and availably as normal function would be right. So, you know, everything is connected everything and we really need to get that you know, both For our physical bodies for the systems that we create, the environment we create, everything is connected. There's a great show series that I just watched on Netflix called connected. And it's all about how the world is interconnected. And it's a great series if anybody gets an opportunity to watch as you know, because it literally goes through like how the Sahara how the sand in the Sahara blows with the wind? And, and is the fertilizer basically has the nutrients and the whatever to grow all the plants in the Amazon. Oh, right. In I mean, South America, sand from here blows to there. How does the sand also help to stop hurricanes? You know, I mean, the interconnectivity of the universe and of the world of the earth of nature is so vast, yeah. And when we screw with it, like we've done in so many ways, and especially the last hundred years, when we screw with nature, nature will screw back with us. And we're, we've been getting the hard end of the screwing at this point. So is the money more important? Or is the screwing we're getting more important? Because we're allowing the screwing to happen for the gain of money, which is something we made up in our heads. Right? Something it's not so real, right? So I'm just giving you guys a little bit to think about your, you know what, we're going to end the call, you gave some great tips, Kris. Awesome. Where can people get ahold of you if they wanted to fly out to Colorado, and enjoy the snow and beautiful mountain air mountain Kris Gieske 16:47 there. So you can go to www.kgmaxfitness.com, it's kgmaxfitness.com. And you can find me there you can find our work and my phone and all that to schedule if you want. Ari Gronich 17:03 Sounds good. Thank you so much for being here. Kris, this has been another great episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. And you know, just remember, the world is interconnected. What we do makes a difference and what we don't do makes a difference. And the things that we know are that our mind creates our movement, both emotionally, as well as physically. And if you want your mind and your emotions and your body to work in sync, and work more effectively and efficiently. Work on those visual keys. You know, work on that direction, work on your balance. You know, I have my son doing these great balance exercises like walking heel to toe on a straight line of the tile. He's six years old, we're building his balance up after a head trauma. Yeah, right. And it's difficult. You can try it. Go you know, look at a line on on your floor, a grout line or something like that. And heel to toe and try to walk on that straight line without falling over. And then he'll detail while looking forward, turning your head. See, again, some great, great tips. Anyway, thank you so much for being here. And this has been another episode. We are out

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He has shared the stage with the Dahli Lama & Sir Richard Branson, and trained notables such as David Woods, Doug Nelson, Colin Sprake, Robert Yates and thousands of other trainers.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:07  Welcome to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host Ari Gronich and today I have with me a good dear friend Robert Riopel, I am not using an intro speech or anything today because I have a very deep personal connection to this man. He was the first trainer at MMI Millionaire Mind Institute, or a million Millionaire Mind intensive through peak potentials that I went to a training that he did, it was his very first time being a solo trainer. And we had 1000s of people in the audience and this man killed it. He went on to train, I think it's over a half a million people in business and life skills. This guy is incredible. And now he's doing this new project that I'm excited to talk to him about, but mostly, he's just a fantastic person for ideas. I mean, he's owned Domino's franchise, he's been you've married his high school sweetheart, I mean, that guy who's just that these days and stays married to them. He might have a secret or two. I don't know. Let's talk to him. Robert. share a little bit. Give me a give me a Give me your intro.Robert Riopel 1:30  Well, you know, I just happy to be here. Because, as you know, I love to have fun. I believe there's way too many serious people on this planet. And life's too short not to have fun. And it's interesting that you brought up my high school sweetheart, because actually yesterday, on the time of recording this, yesterday was our 32nd wedding anniversary. And so yeah, I met when we were 13 started dating when we were 16 got married when we were 19 Oh, I just started getting my age away. So I just, you know, I've been blessed, you know, international bestselling author, App Designer, and entrepreneur, and I'm a trainer that's traveled the world, you'll be for COVID, I was on average, traveling 200,000 miles a year, around the world doing training. And it's my passion is what I absolutely love to do. Because a couple things happen. One, when a student comes up to you and says, Hey, do you remember when you said this? Here's how it changed my life. Yeah, we're not gonna talk about what you were telling me about. That's one of the greatest feelings in the world, is when you see that you're making an impact. Because then you realize that maybe I've taught over half a million people personally. But now how exponentially did that grow by the people that they went back into their lives and impacted, and they then impacted and they impacted? That's what gets me really jazzed and excited. So, you know, for me, I'm a guy who does what I love, and enjoys life, and you help so many people again?Ari Gronich 3:03  Absolutely. I remember my dad sitting in a room was standing in a telephone booth with a bag full of quarters, and a telephone book, telemarketing in the middle of orange groves in California, like in the middle of nowhere, orange groves. And I remember this I you know, for him, it was one of his worst moments. For me, it was one of my best, because I saw the links to which my father loved.Robert Riopel 3:37  Hmm, yeah,Ari Gronich 3:38  that's how I took it was he didn't show you know, he was very busy. He always trying to survive. So while he showed love, he was very busy. He was an absent and yet he, that act of doing that made me know that what he was doing was worth it. Like he was doing it for us. And even though I felt that abandonment as a kid, I also saw why. And it was that was really powerful. So I liked that. You got that from your dad.Robert Riopel 4:20  Yeah. And that's the thing is it's, you know, my parents went through health issues. And the other one would always step up when the other one was in the hospital, and, you know, work the two jobs and take care of the kids or what have you. And so I learned a lot of amazing things from my family. And it just, it's so it's made me who I am today, and I will always look at that and go, I'm grateful that you know, talk about the gratitude. I'm grateful.Ari Gronich 4:45  You know, it's weird because I was talking to my son recently. He's seven. And I was telling teaching him a little bit about focus and how important being able to focus is And it's interesting because what you said about being present is what I said to him about focus. So he was at dinner, and he was jumping up every bite, he had to go somewhere, do something and get distracted by some somewhere in something. Right? And what I told him is, have you ever tried to be really present with your food? really present with the flavors and the experience of it on your tongue? The smell as it's going down, you know, the feeling in the back of your throat as you swallow the chewing? Like, have you ever been really present with that? And it was interesting, because that's a very similar thing to what you're saying. But being present with people being present with anything is so difficult and requires a lot of focus. So do you have any like, trips or tics? Like, how does somebody be present with somebody else without the background noise in their head? That's a good concept to say to somebody. But like practicality, let's get down to the practically How do they do that?Robert Riopel 6:12  Yeah, well, you know, first of all, it takes practice. Don't think that Oh, I know. Arn Roberts has told me that this is a great thing to do. So I just learned it. I should be good at I should be a probiotic. Because that's how we sabotage ourselves. Right? One of my favorite quotes, probably the hardest book. My favorite quote of all, every master was once a disaster, which means you're going to be a disaster. You're going to go through a disaster stage, you got to practice. And that's what most people see. Forget or choose not to do. I wasAri Gronich 6:45  I was doing a hypnosis course. And it was a past life regression. Course. And the instructor was channeling a being or an entity named I think, Miss Dr. Peabody or something like that. I was some weird name, that I was like, Oh, God, it wasn't Cleopatra. But it always is, you know, I'm Cleopatra in the formula. How many cleopatras have you met? anyway? So Mr. Peabody said, if you want to be enlightened, yeah, gotta lighten up. I went, Oh, my God. Do I have a lot of practicing to do? Because I'm, you know, I grew up, I'm a pretty serious person most of the time. And, and I got serious work to do to create a new tomorrow. And, you know, it's like, and now I read dude, three. So yeah, I mean, yeah, you know, people have forgotten that living is about living. And that living, breathing and reading in life, you know. So, stopping that joy of life,Robert Riopel 8:04  they said about your son. What you said about your son is where he's, he's modeling you. So when you talk to him about your being present, use that as a reminder for yourself to be present in that moment. Because every moment you're impacting people around you, whether you know it or not. And most people you're impacting them with not with what you're saying, but how you're acting, what you're doing, your way of being. And so if someone said, Well, how do I create a better tomorrow? A new tomorrow? Well just start with you. And then allow that example. Is it going to impact a ton of people? Maybe not? Is it going to help even one person? Maybe not, but it will help you?Ari Gronich 8:47  I've been I've been trying to rewrite the golden rule, because I disagree completely with it. Because we don't want people to treat us the way we treat ourselves. Now, we want we want us to we want people to treat us the way we treat other people. The Golden Rule is has gotten a little shifty for me. But yeah, I mean, you know, we definitely the self talk, that is, in most people's heads is so toxic. And and I like that you're you're saying that because one of the things that I do with with trauma work a lot is mirrors. You know, it's, it's not about affirmations. affirmations to me are like akin to motivation, which is almost nothing, right doesn't doesn't provide what it's supposed to do for very long. But staring in the mirror for 300 hours, crying, screaming, wailing until you find the pieces of you that you love until you strip the masks of inauthenticity from yourself the masks of trauma. I tell people, everything that you think about yourself is literally just a mask of trauma and you put on Other people have put on you. And our goal is to strip those masks off of trauma so that we can be authentic.Robert Riopel 10:08  Yep. Absolutely. And look, you know, that's, that's what I would do the mirror work. I started off with hair. By time I removed everything my hair was gone. good reason that I had to go there, if someone just listening to this, because, you know, there may be people just doing the audio. They had to know I'm aerodynamic. And ladies and gentlemen, I'm I'm not short. I've been told I'm just more grounded. So I like that as well. It's closer to the earth.Ari Gronich 10:37  Yes. Yes. Just close to the earth. Mr. Where's the earring, Mr. plane? That's all I want.Robert Riopel 10:48  Yeah, well, it could be this year, but that's in my ear. It just flipped up and goes it is multipurpose today, because Mr. Clean in the airing is. So yesterday, you're talking about age. Come on. Now. Now it has to have multi purpose.Ari Gronich 11:02  I believe the law of action traction. You know, we you we've had discussions, but the law of attraction to me is the movie, The Secret all that stuff. It's a great beginning, it didn't finish. And it's it left people wanting, which is where, you know, I take offense to it. But I do like is the science of getting rich, the book The Science of Getting Rich, which is where all that lol a comes from? Originally back in 1908 or something like that. And I like that little more Matter of fact, but it's all the same. You're right. The actions missing.Robert Riopel 11:42  That's what people they think all just think, no, they got to take action, which is absolutely true. I'm going to suggest you check out the movie, beyond the secret is a follow up that just came out about a year and a half ago. And it brings back a lot of the secret guests where they were able to go in deeper and like yeah, the secret and covered it. But let's go beyond the secret. And you know, dive in deeper. So you might want to check that out. But what he noticed is he said, if you realize it, this social dilemma, actually just unveiled the truth of the greatest law of attraction working in our favor. Because people look at any social media you're doing for attacking everything you do. And you're looking at your feed go, why am I getting all this? Because that's what you've been focusing on. So if you don't like what's popping up, then change your focus.Ari Gronich 12:32  I always do tips and tricks. We've done a lot of them. But give me three based on what we've talked about so far. Just three really crystal clear that somebody can do tomorrow action steps that they can do tomorrow today to change their lives to create a new tomorrow and activate their vision for a better world.Robert Riopel 12:49  Yeah, number one, become more present. Remember to take that deep breath, check in with yourself. How am I doing now? on that? Number two, take one more step in the direction you want to go. And three, bu awesome.Ari Gronich 13:08  We're gonna do this again. Hopefully, Canada will be open. And we'll do this live somewhere where we could actually like, get in it, you know, but it'd be awesome. That would be awesome. But thank you so much. Where can people get ahold of you if they'd like to connect with you and learn more about how they can work?Robert Riopel 13:29  Yeah, my Facebook fan pages the easiest way. And so on Facebook, just put my name in Robert Riopel, you'll see my fanpage I can't take any more. Friends. Unfortunately, they got me back. So a lot on my fan page. If you follow it, you'll get tapped into a lot of my work. I am on LinkedIn and Instagram. I'm told now. So yeah, we're my VA for getting that up. But also as a gift, I would love for your listeners to get a copy of my book success love to clue as the ebook version as my gift to them for having me on your show.Ari Gronich 14:02  That would be awesome. And we will make sure to get all your links and stuff like that so that it's going to be on the bottom of every every posting for this and and we'll get you all that. So thank you so much. I'm sure that the audience will love that because anything that we could do to make a new, create a new tomorrow today and activate our vision for a better world is what this shows about. So really appreciate you being here. Thank you so much. This has been another episode, crazy episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your hostAri Gronich. Thank you so much for being here and have a amazing weekend.

Hi, I am here with kris gieske, he is a Strength and Conditioning Specialist here in Colorado Springs. he has dedicated his life to learning neuromechanics and biomechanics which give him the tools to help you reach the pinnacle of your performance. Working with the nervous system he can get results instantly and he loves seeing the changes that happen with my clients from decreased pain to increased athleticism and strength. here is the full episode hope you enjoy. Listen in your favorite podcast app. Ari Gronich 0:00 Has it occurred to you that the systems we live by are not designed to get results. We pay for procedures instead of outcomes, focusing on emergencies rather than preventing disease and living a healthy lifestyle. For over 25 years, I've taken care of Olympians Paralympians a list actors in fortune 1000 companies, if I did not get results, they did not get results. I realized that while powerful people who control the system wants to keep the status quo, if I were to educate the masses, you would demand change. So I'm taking the gloves off and going after the systems as they are. Join me on my mission to create a new tomorrow as I chat with industry experts, elite athletes, thought leaders and government officials about how we activate our vision for a better world. We may agree, and we may disagree, but I'm not backing down. I'm Ari Gronich and this is create a new tomorrow podcast. And welcome to another special edition of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. I'm here in Denver, Colorado, and I'm talking to Kris Gieske, who is a strength and conditioning coach, he was a military vet who started his career helping to rehabilitate wounded vets as well. So I'm gonna let him tell you a little bit about who he is and why we're here why we're talking. Kris Gieske 1:35 Alright, well, my name is Kris Gieske as Ari said him I am a strength conditioning coach. And I have a neurological background through Z health. And I got started in that through getting medically discharged military actually, due to a lot of back pain, a lot of hip pain, knee pain, shoulders, you know, different things like that. And the first time I went to this place called Life quest transitions, they had this big banner, right. And we're kind of almost voluntold to go, you know, that term voluntold. So I went in there, I'm just like, okay, whatever. I don't know what this is all about. But they're talking about all this neurological training, and then doing a little bit of strength conditioning on top of that. And I met a friend and mentor of mine named Dr. Grove, Higgins. And he started just doing some ankle mobility work with me. And when I didn't have very much mobility in my back at the time, I could only bend, you know, just a few inches before I just had excruciating lower back pain. And after just doing a few like ankle drills, mobility drills, I was almost touching the floor. And for me, because I was like, there's no way that something so stupid could have worked so well, you know. And so over time, I started going there, and I got myself better. And I started feeling really good. And there's another program out there called the Mission Continues. And basically what they did is they let you volunteer, any nonprofit, they give you a stipend. So I decided to start to work for life quest. And there, they allowed me to take the Z health certifications for free, which is amazing, because those are about two or three grand a pop, right, and being a veteran come out of the military, you know, you don't care, spending money. So it's pretty awesome. And so then I started working there with a lot of veterans of PTSD and veterans that just weren't overall broken, because the military does what the military does, and breaks, you know, a lot of anti remove a lot of people getting really a lot of bad backs, knees, shoulders, and not only were able to rehabilitate them, you know, to go back to live with their families and cut their medications, like, by 80% of them, wow. But also, if someone got to return to duty, they didn't think they'd be able to return to duty. So that was pretty awesome. Ari Gronich 4:03 So, you know, being that you've been in the military and then had to exit the military due to medical, you know, issues and so forth. And we've all heard that kind of the system is broken, especially for vets. So what was your experience going through the VA programs, and trying to get yourself healthy? To where you weren't in so much pain? What was what was that experience? Like? What were the areas that you could see room for improvement, let's say? Kris Gieske 4:38 Definitely, it's it's like the normal medical system, right? You go in and they're like, here's some pain pills. You know, here's some and Said's, you know, or some anti inflammatories and you take them and you don't feel any better and and then all sudden I just happen to stumble in. So this place called Life quest through a captain That was I was going through, it's called rear deattachment. It's a special, you know, brigade that you're in, as you're transitioning out. And he was like, hey, go check this place out. And I think there's a huge disconnect between, you know, not just like chiropractic, but also training, neurological training, there's a whole plethora of different modalities you can do to make yourself better that people don't realize exist. Ari Gronich 5:29 So, you know, what's your mission? Because, you know, really, this is all about having a platform for vets. And for, you know, really anybody who's suffering from pain and trauma and so on, to get results and get better. So, you know, what would be the things that you would say, need to be fixed the, you know, the solutions to some of these issues. Kris Gieske 5:59 So the solutions definitely is people that do do like, training, physical, you know, therapists and stuff like that, I think there needs to be better communication happens between trainers, and that aspect, because I used to work for national Personal Training Institute, and the owner was like, hey, Ace just wants to know, what do you feel would be a really good, you know, type of program that they should start to implement. And I was like, you know, it'd be awesome if we could get personal trainers, strength conditioning coaches, corrective exercise specialist to be able to communicate a little bit better with doctors. So I think the communication there is something needs to be a little bit tweaked and fixed. Ari Gronich 6:51 Yeah, you know, I talk about this a lot. Actually, the I feel like, between the modalities, there's a language barrier. It's like speaking Spanish, and English, right? There's a language barrier there. Because doctor speak a specific language. chiropractors speak a different language, massage therapists speak a different language, physical therapists have different language, and personal trainers a different language. And you might say, Wait, this is the same body. So why so many languages, but it's the same thing as saying, an endocrinologist versus a proctologist versus neurosurgeon, right? There's so many different places that the rabbit hole sinks deep into. And so it's incumbent upon the training, in my opinion, to begin, and this is to all the schools out there any regulating body, you know, listen, listen to this advice, because it would be incumbent upon you, as the educators to educate these modalities in the language of the other people that would have added benefit to the patient. Right? Yeah, absolutely. That way, you can still specialize, but you have respect. And you can refer with knowledge. Kris Gieske 8:18 Yeah, absolutely. And then, you know, there's just some part of that, as well as just with our medic medical system, right. And with chiropractors, and you have the physical therapists, the if, you know, corrective exercise coaches, it's almost like sometimes they're just kind of turn off because they're so educated in medication and doing a steroid injection versus going, Okay, what's the movement dysfunction going on here? Because that's the main thing I look at, when somebody comes to my office, I watch how they come in, how they're moving, how they stand up, how they go, bend over, pick something up, and they could have, you know, all kinds of different movement errors, that, you know, a doctor would just look at them and go, Okay, well, let's have, you know, do this steroid injection or whatever. And then it was off and like, man, the pains right back. And I work at a chiropractic office right now. And, you know, I'll see some of these patients that come in, week in and week out, and then I'll take them in, I'll be like, hey, you've got a movement, you know, problem. It's not necessarily have a back issue. Right, right. You know, it could be you know, something going on with a thoracic that's not moving right? Or your si joints just not moving right as you walk, and you get that quick fix. But the pain comes back. Right? Ari Gronich 9:36 Yeah. So let's talk a little bit about the way that that happens. Because you know, as I always tell chiropractors when I'm consulting with them is, you know, you need to train your massage therapists and how to work with you how to work with their patients, in order to support what you're trying to do because if you get an adjustment A half hour to an hour later, you're already back out of place. Because your muscles are controlling whether you're in place or not. So you got to train the therapist who's, who's there to support your patients, not just in a relaxation massage, but and how to specifically work on the anatomy that you need worked on, in order for you to get the benefit of the work you just did. Right? Yes, yeah. And that goes the same for being able to tell a personal trainer or a strength and conditioning coach or somebody like that. The same kind of thing. Okay, I have this patient here, who is not getting better from my treatments for three years, right? Kris Gieske 10:45 Yeah, Ari Gronich 10:46 maybe they need something different. Yep. And an add on, that doesn't mean not going to the chiropractor, or not going to the physical therapists or not going to the massage therapist, because this happens, no matter what the field is, right? The personal trainer doesn't necessarily want to send them to somebody else. The massage therapist, you know, thinks that they'll, they don't have enough money to work with both of them, you know, both them and somebody else. And so we're not doing the referrals, that really would get the patient better because of our own fears. Right? Yeah. So as an audience member, you can kind of relate this to your experiences with being in treatment, being in pain, you go to first doctor, and they give you some pills, the pills don't work. So you have to go to somebody else. Did they? Did that doctor refer you to the other person? Or did you have to go find them through your friends and family? You know, what's the way that you got to them? And how do you know then that they're the ones that are going to be able to take care of your specific problem. And that's just an industry wide system wide issue, that it's really hard to educate a consumer or patient or audience on? Because it's can't be gun to be incumbent upon you to really do your research on who you're going to. And it really should be a more of a referral system from one professional expert to another. Kris Gieske 12:24 Yeah, right. Yeah, absolutely. And you're talking about the fear thing, you know, for years, and I've never understood this Ari, like, for a long time, is that a lot of medical doctors will view things like chiropractic, like is almost Voodoo. You know, I'm saying like, that's a real stigma out there. Like, even still, even though, you know, you'll get somebody that comes in, you know, just them, they'll be out of pain and good. Or, you know, such as doing some of the stuff that I do with the brain training stuff. They're like, like, I've talked to a friend of mine, who's a orthopedic surgeon, you know, kind of, like, brushes it off is Voodoo or whatever. But it's like, No, these are modalities that actually work. And it's not like I've seen it with one or two people, like I've worked with hundreds of patients, and all of them generally get something out of it. Ari Gronich 13:19 No, absolutely. And you know that that is, to me still the language issue, because they don't understand the language we're speaking even though it sounds the same as what they're saying. Yeah, right. But it comes across as, for instance, a medical doctor speaks in scientific lab terms, typically, while they don't give much credence to anecdotal evidence, only really to scientific evidence or lab evidence, right? chiropractors, massage therapists, physical therapists, in some cases, nutritionist herbalist, acupuncturist, etc. require a lot of anecdotal evidence, right. And so those two languages don't necessarily match. And therefore, because the science hasn't confirmed in a lab, that information, they don't know how to take it, necessarily. So, you know, again, it goes back to language and it goes back to the education. Yeah, and the system wide issue that that basically takes some people and turns them into a they're just right. He's just a personal trainer. He's just a massage therapist, you wouldn't say he's just a neurosurgeon. Right? Right, exactly. But why do we allow that to happen in our profession? Why do we allow that to be because We don't speak the same language as the people who are currently the most regarded. Yeah, profession, right. They think of another profession that's more highly regarded. Kris Gieske 15:13 There is no I mean, and I think it goes back to exactly what you said, education, you don't know what you don't know. And they're trained, and one way, right. And then you're training to completely different, you know, way, and they don't have the excellent knowledge that you have. And like you said, it's that communication, like, lost there. That happens. Ari Gronich 15:36 Yeah, absolutely. You know, that's why I say, you know, we can bridge these gaps. But we have to have these discussions in order to get clear on where those gaps are. Yeah. Right. Yeah. If we don't have, if we don't have the discussion about where the gaps are, then we don't know what we need to fill. Yeah. Right. So for you, for instance, when you go back to doing what you're doing, you might have a different perspective, from this conversation about how you speak to the doctor. Oh, absolutely. Right. Because you're going to be able to speak to them in a different way. And listen to this, if you're a personal trainer, or a massage therapist and alternative healthcare provider in any way, by learning the language of the people who have the respect, you will begin to get the respect of those people, which means that it will translate to the respect of your communities in general. Kris Gieske 16:35 Yeah. Right. Absolutely. It's funny that you're talking about, you know, going and opening that communication barrier, right. So about a week ago, I had a friend of mine, and she works for a physical therapist, you know, and she said, hey, my physical therapist wants to meet you, because I told her about all the awesome stuff that you've done, and you felt my shoulder so much, and I go, Okay, cool. So, you know, I get in there, and I expected I have a sit down, maybe a lunch, and she goes, No, go treatment room. I'm like, Alright, so this is gonna be a trial by fire. Right. So she goes, Well, Lacey's having a little bit of shoulder issues today, how would you fix it? So it's like, double barrels ready to go. There you go. Five minutes, you know, show me what you got kid. So I was like, okay, so I go in, and, you know, I just, you know, do a little bit of muscle testing on her shoulder, and she's like, yeah, that kind of hurts there. And I'm like, okay, and I just tend to do just, you know, motor map of her scapula just move or scapula, right, and just really get a good motor map and her brain of where that is. Ari Gronich 17:36 And before you go on, just tell him what a motor map is. So that, Kris Gieske 17:40 okay, so motor map is in your brain of where your joints are in space and time. And then in the full movement pattern of that joint, right. And if you don't have a good motor map of certain joint, it will start to cause nociceptors to go up to your brain. Okay? So what nociceptors are, is a lot of people think of them as pain receptors. But they're threat receptors, right? Because pain doesn't live in the body. It lives up here, there's in your brain. And basically, if you start to move that around, or move immobilize joint that's supposed to be mobile around your brain, then maps a little better. And then when it maps a better, a lot of times, threat will go down, which means pain will start to decrease, movement, flexibility starts to go up, and strength can go up. So I had her just do a little motor map with her scapula being able to just move only that single joint. And then I went to go muscle test again, boom, she was strong. She had no pain there. And she's like, Cool. Thanks. And that was my opening to that physical therapist is they were like, Okay, cool. Tell me more. So then I went on to go tell her more about, you know, the brain training stuff I do working with vestibular visual system, as well as you know, working with neuro mechanics, but also biomechanics. So I could speak her language a little bit as well. Ari Gronich 19:02 So let's talk a little bit about neuro mechanics and how they differ from biomechanics. And a little bit more about you know, how the brain because most people think I hit my thumb with a hammer, my thumb is throbbing. I am I have pain in my thumb. Yeah, right. This is the process in the brain, right there that the thinking brain goes through, and I think right, so what is the process and the actual body going through? And then what's the difference between the neuro mechanics biomechanics? And those kinds of things is what what we want to give to the audience is things that they can learn that they can then start to do so that they can change their own world create a new tomorrow today for themselves? Absolutely. Yeah. So Kris Gieske 19:51 the best way I get people to distinguish between their actual brain and the thinking brain right, is I used to work with veterans. Okay. So, my friend worked with this one guy, and he was bone off from the legs, you know, from the hip down, like he had no lower extremities whatsoever. And you'd be working with me be like, man, I just feel like my toes are being spread apart. Okay, this guy has no legs. All right, but what's still there? The map in his brain to that lower extremity, right? So another another way I can put this right, is if I had if you're a paraplegic, right, and I took a knife and I stabbed you in the leg, right? You just kind of look at me, like I was a jerk. You should write, but you would not feel any pain. Why? Because there is nothing going through your brain signaling to your brain, hey, something's going on. Right? And basically, what the brain does, is it does three things, right? It receives information, right? Then it receives or gets sent input right from your body, then it receives and decides what to do with it, and then it sends an output, right? And that output is either you know, I can move my hand through space and time, or how that hurts. Or, you know, glandular functions such as sweat, right? hearse are salivating. And if the input going in, is disrupted, right, it's going to send a poor output. Right? And basically, NZ have what they call to the threat bucket, right? So you have, you know, going through your day, you have, you know, stress you have, you know, all these different things going in, right. Maybe bad movement patterns. And if you have enough of that nociceptor information going to your brain, right, detecting threat, you know, it's gonna say, I don't like this, I need this, you know, protect myself a little bit. And that's ultimately what pain is. It's a protective mechanism. Ari Gronich 21:59 I think that's an interesting thing for people to understand. Pain is a threat. mechanism. Kris Gieske 22:08 Yeah, yeah, pain. I mean, your brain makes it makes you protects you, right? In a way it protects you is through pain. Right? It's almost counterintuitive. But if I had like, for instance, I'll take, for example, a guy that I've worked with, and he had rotator cuff surgery, and I worked with him after he was cleared with the physical therapist and everything. He just didn't have full range of motion. And he would get to hear right, and it would hurt. How, oh, right? Well, if he kept going there, what happens? Ari Gronich 22:44 It's kind of like a fly, that is in a cage or a frog, in a cage, jumping, jumping, hitting the ceiling, and then eventually, right doesn't want to go above this above that point. So you could eventually take away the ceiling, and you'll never escape. Right? So what what eventually can happen as well as a pain loop, right? So people who are in pain can get really good at being in pain. So eventually, you know, it'll get to where you can't move here, and then you can't move in here, then you can't be here. So always call I do with him. Right? As I started doing just little motions, that didn't hurt, right? And then eventually it's like, oh, and he's able to go higher, and then higher and then higher, right? Because I reduced that threat to his brain. Right? They said, something's going on there. And I don't like it. Right? Because he is moving in pain free ranges of motion. That's okay. And, you know, there's obviously some strength instability that can be built up there too, as well. But ultimately, it's what's going on up here, right? How threatened is this? Right? And if this is really, really threatened, it's going to go How can I shut this person down? Wow, that's an interesting, interesting way of looking at the that particular science. Kris Gieske 24:04 Yeah, it's, it's it's pretty, pretty crazy, though. The way they teach in the health curriculum and everything. But the more you get into it's like, the more down the rabbit hole you go. Ari Gronich 24:14 Right. So how would you say like, I've trained a lot of Olympic athletes that seem to have a very high pain threshold. Right. So as a therapist, I was very proud to have my patients basically say it was the medieval torture chamber. And that the table was, you know, the rack, like my therapy table was the rack. And, and, you know, they felt like champions just getting out of off the table. Right, right. Because I you know, I learned a little bit about Indian you know, way religion and way of looking at things and to the Indians. They the ceremony. are hard so that life will be easier. So if you think about their ceremonies, things like sweat lodges and vision, classwork, no food, no water for four days, and Sundance is out in the middle of summer, right? Yes, they're difficult. ceremonies are hard. Oh, that's the same thing with, with how I figured therapy should be a little bit. Therapy should be so hard that when you're in competition, it's easy. You're just flying through the competition, you got no worries at all. You didn't have to do that for an hour. You just did that for you know, 20 seconds, right? or whatever, you know, like, like the time it is. And so Kris Gieske 25:42 I have seen some of your tables, things. I looked you up on YouTube and saw some of the AB work and I was like, oh, man, Ari Gronich 25:48 yeah, that AB routine is, I still have not found anybody who can beat that averaging. Oh, Kris Gieske 25:55 my God. Ari Gronich 25:57 That is a half hour of ungodly torture that I put, so it's on YouTube, you could go check it out. Dominic Arnold, who is on this show, right? We did a video now mind you, I am about 120 pounds heavier, with long, curly hair. And, and I looked a little bit different. Dominic looks the same. Well, not the same as when he was competing. But you know, anyway, he was on this show. We have it on YouTube. So go check it out on on the YouTube channel. But there's an averaging it's 30 minutes long. And my challenge is to watch like the first five minutes and then try to do what's there. And then watch the next five minutes and try to do with there and see where it is that you are tortured to the point where your nociceptors Yeah, right. are firing threat and you're stuck. because very few that mean he you know Dominic is an Olympic champion, world record breaker, American record holder. I mean, he was an amazing Olympic athlete, right. And it tortured him to the point of no return. But he felt like, as he would say, I feel like Bruce Lee, I feel like a ninja when I'm done with I leave I feel like a gymnast. Kris Gieske 27:26 A Ninja, Ari Gronich 27:27 right. Yeah. All those things are things that help people, you know, they fit gymnast feel good. They're flexible. They're strong. They're right. Martial Arts artists. Strong. They're flexible. Right. That's how people want to be able to move. So try to do that, that that routine, but I'm intrigued. Yeah. You know. So I think that that getting that pain receptor up while you're in therapy? Kris Gieske 27:56 Yeah, Ari Gronich 27:56 I'm scaring people right now. actually helps to make it so that it doesn't go up when it's needed. Kris Gieske 28:05 I don't see everyone is in a bad mood. I'll see me making them faces. Ari Gronich 28:10 Exactly. But you know, what do you think of that concept that if you if you have this flood of nociceptors, and your body and your and you feel great at the when you're done, right? Because that's what the therapy does. You go through it, but you feel great when you're done. Kris Gieske 28:27 Yeah. Ari Gronich 28:27 So when you're in competition, your body is just going oh, this is easy. I can do this all day long. Right? No problem. Kris Gieske 28:34 Yeah. And which time was peaking? Right. Exactly. takes me to a peak. Right. And that has its place. Right. So tearing down muscle to build it up. Right, that has that definitely has a point in that, right. But there's also stages, right that you have to program around that as well. It's like, Okay, what days do I go in? And I just tear it down? Right? And then what days do I go? Okay, I need to back up a little bit, right? Because I can tell, you know, if my patient comes in, I can look at him and go, you're not ready to train heavy today. Right? You're, you're you got up off that couch really, really slow, right? I mean, they're there, you know, so as might be grabbing their back might be out or what have you from whatever happened during the week. And some days, you just have to look and you go, and that's that's the art about being a strength conditioning coach or a PT or whatever you want to be, is you have to know when to say go. And you have to know when to say no. Right? Right. So there's there's a point there to where you want to push them pretty well, right. But on top of that I can I can use a lot of neurological tools to help them perform even better, right than what they would have if they hadn't done some of the stuff that I do with them. Such as you know the motor mapping hips and ankles and everything like that. But another one that isn't really talked about too much, or I haven't heard very many other strength conditioning Coaches or personal trainers talk about his vision training. Right? And there's a huge science behind vision training now as well. Right? And, and to where can you, you know, look in a certain area or snap your eyes and snap right to a target. Right? And right. And if you can't write that's, that's another neurological issue. It's no neurological deficit that can send those receptors up the brain going, hmm, something's going on. I don't know what's going on. Right. Ari Gronich 30:29 So if you can't do this, Kris Gieske 30:32 if you can't snap Ari Gronich 30:33 three times fast, right? and land on the same spot, you might have a neurological disorder, or logical Kris Gieske 30:42 deficit, right? So I mean, it's very important, especially in things like football and baseball, if you think about it, right, something comes at you really quick, you have to look real fast and catch it right. And there was an amazing study done. And they took a football team, there's two different football teams, one, they just did complete, just strength conditioning training with him. The other one, they did about half visual and vestibular work, and half strength conditioning stuff. And what they noticed was, is that the people that did the vision training and vestibular stuff was that their injury rate was significantly less, right. Because not only is your eyes very, very, you know, important, not only to see peripheral stuff, right. But also before I step, right, it's very important to be able to see before I step, what they found with like, a lot of ACL injuries and stuff was like that, as people would step before they could snap their eyes. So, so a lot Ari Gronich 31:41 of ankle injuries, ankles. Yeah, a lot of ankle injuries. So number one, injury and all sports, ankle injuries. Number one injury and reason for showing up in an ER for just general citizenry, ankle injuries. The number one injury for showing up. And a lot of that is hand eye coordination. Yes, right. Yeah, a lot of that is the visuals. You didn't see that step that was right in front of you. And so you fell off the curb? Yeah. So to speak. Yeah. And twisted your ankle. So this is, you know, this visual mapping is really important. We learned a lot about visual mapping and NLP. Yeah. And in EMDR, and in REM therapy, rapid eye movement therapy, because we would trigger these different locations. But you know, I had a, I had a chiropractor friend in Beverly Hills, who was an amazing chiropractor, but he hardly ever did an adjustment of any kind, until he figured out where your brain was screwy. So he would do the muscle testing while you're looking up into the left, and then do the muscle testing again, when you look up to the right, I do down to the left down to the right, to the side to the other side, right. And then I doing that he would figure out exactly where in your brain that muscle was being shortened, or tightened, or turned, you know, the nerve turned into a pain signal. And I mean, he was incredible, interesting guy you would have liked. He had it. He had a tree growing in the middle of his office. That's great. Like they built the building around the tree. No, it was frickin awesome. That's amazing. Kris Gieske 33:34 Wow. So yeah, building off the visual that he was talking about with the muscle testing was interesting is when we find ourselves in a day and age, right? with COVID. Right, everybody's in front of their computer for hours at a time. Or people who work at home on zoom calls all the time. I had a patient that came in with a ton of shoulder pain, right? Not only does that posture, you know, deviate, you know, shoulders and all that stuff. But no matter what I did, I couldn't activate your lats. And I'm like, What is going on? I cannot get harassed to fire. So I was like, Okay, let's do a little bit of visual work. I know it seems a little weird, but let's, let's just go there. So I had to look in certain positions. And sure enough, just doing a little bit of training a little bit of isometrics that lat fired really hard where I couldn't even pull it out. Wow. I was like, Okay, so here's some drills for you to do. And some of them were just isometric stares, just, you know, take your finger and looking right, something is stupid and easy. Is that right? helped her function and fire so much better. Ari Gronich 34:44 Well, there are alternatives to your pain. You do not need the opioids, the end Said's, which really don't work much anyway. You can actually go to somebody who knows stuff. Right? So how would somebody find somebody like you? I'm not going to go to you yet because we're not done. But how does somebody find somebody like you? How do they learn that somebody like you exists when it's not being told by the mainstream, you know, medical system that you exist? Right? So how does somebody find somebody like you somebody like me, who is trained in so many different modalities? And if one tool in our toolbox doesn't work, we got 50 more that, yeah, can come out. Right, right. And then how do we get that message across to the mainstream medical system that we exist? More? How do we get people like you louder? Right, so that you can say, no uncertain terms, I'm here I exist. This is what I do. This is the benefit I give. And I'm open for business. Because, you know, the truth is, is that people will vote with their pocketbooks before they vote any other way. Yeah. And if somebody doesn't know you exist, they can't vote for you. Right. Right. So we need to get this message across more, especially in the mainstream medical system. But how do we get somebody like you talking this way to doctors? No, yeah, that's right. And how does somebody find somebody? Like you that has this kind of training? Kris Gieske 36:32 Yeah, that's that's the million dollar question. Isn't it true, our voices a little louder, that you know, have these alternate modalities that you don't have to rely on a lot of pain medication, and you know, the medical system forever, and injections and all kinds of things. There is actually, on the Z Health website, you can actually find trainers online. And you can look at your area and see which trainers you have and what they're certified in. Okay, so what website is that? So it's z health dotnet or.com, I believe. And you go there, and they haven't Ari Gronich 37:04 got the shirt, we got the shirt on for Z health. Kris Gieske 37:09 And you go there calm and there's a find a trainer link and you just put in your address. And you can find some that are around you. And they're a master trainer, if they have few certifications, like I've had three certifications I've been in so far. And with that, I mean, you just have so many more tools in your toolbox. You know, when you're in the room with another, you know, breather, personal trainer, or you know, strength conditioning coach, it makes you so unfair. Because all sudden, you're like, well, he's dropped a half a second off this dudes 40 time and like no time at all right? Yeah. And what was another funny stories? I was working. I've got one more for the visual system. We got time for that. Yeah, one more. Okay. So I work at a place called champion health, but they're birthplace of AR T, right? active release technique. And so they're soft tissue work all the time. They're, they're pretty well known. I don't know if you've ever heard of them. Yeah. And this here is a major triad font where I can't say his name because HIPAA stuff. But he had a really bad collarbone injury. And he's pretty much all rehabbed up, but he just had some more sticking stuff that was going on. And they did a tons of HRT on it, and it just wasn't working. And Dr. Wood finally came to me, he goes, I give up, what do you got? And I go, alright, let me see what I can do. So again, you know, I tried some motor mapping stuff that didn't work. And you know, I was just like, racking my brain. Okay. Let's do a little bit of, you know, peripheral work with him. So I just went around his peripheral vision and found just a few ticks. And like what you said earlier, if you can't do this, right, you might be in trouble. So I found those few ticks, I did some isometrics exactly where those were. And all sudden, he was like, That's amazing. Like he lifted his hand and head over hand over his shoulder after he just had hair treatment. Ari Gronich 39:07 Yeah, so I mean, I know how many people in this country suffer from frozen shoulder, especially because we're sitting on a computer doing this all day long, and our shoulders are basically locked in place. And then we go to sleep and we sleep under, you know, the shoulder under the pillow and goes to sleep when you wake up and can't move and it's frozen. So, you know, to be able to in like 5, 10 minutes. Yeah, get rid of somebody's frozen shoulder without having to rip them to shreds. Like, you know, we were trained. I was trained in a few different ways but one of the ways was a on the Asian modalities which is basically you just throw in a rip that sucker out of its frozen place, and then start moving it Yeah. And then rip it again and then start moving it you know, it's like this process of pain. Kris Gieske 39:59 Yeah. You know, I'm Ari Gronich 40:00 really not doing a good job here of promoting the benefits of, you know, seeing me, but if you're an elite athlete, it's alright. You don't mind. But no, I mean, this is just one of the modalities that we're training also, obviously, aka DK and some neurological work, but, you know, in 510 minutes, boom, yeah. If you have frozen shoulder, would it? Would that be worth flying out to see somebody, you know? Absolutely. Get rid of your frozen shoulder in a day, instead of somebody taking a year, two years, three years and not being able to knock that Kris Gieske 40:42 getting no progress that out no progress. Ari Gronich 40:44 So how often do you go to a doctor, a therapist, a chiropractor, whatever it is, and get no benefit? And maybe what you've got going on? is in your head. Yeah, but it's not in your head as like, fake. It's Yeah, this is an actual neurological neurological Kris Gieske 41:05 deficit that you have going on, it's sending something the brain that it doesn't like, right, so it's gonna protect you, in the best way knows how, hey, there's a lot of stuff going on here. Right? So let's keep that limited, because it's protecting. Right? So, Ari Gronich 41:19 you know, it's funny, a lot of the symptoms that people experience with ill health is really just the protective mechanism in general, to that thing that's going on that's causing the symptom to in the first place. So for example, you know, dementia is inflammation in the brain, and you have cholesterol that covers it up, that's called plaque. That's covering up the inflammation trying to, you know, squelch, yeah, the inflammation. And that locks your memory centers because of the plaque. But it's not the plaque. That was the issue. And it's not the dementia, that is the issue. That's just the symptom. It's the inflammation, right? Yeah. Which inflammation causes those nociceptors to fire? Like it will, which explains a lot of people with chronic illness and chronic pain, like fibromyalgia, things like that. So what do you do for somebody who, let's say they have MS, or they have Parkinson's disease, right. And now you're working on them to get better movement in their bodies. And you have this extra skill extra tool of the neurological work, so you can actually help them function with their brain better? What is that? Yeah, Kris Gieske 42:45 yeah, I was, I'm fortunate enough to be able to work with a couple MS patients, which is awesome. And then they're their hardest workers in the room. And my hat's off to him, because they still show up. Even when they're in so much pain, you know, I've, you know, I look at my life after that, I'm like, I've got no problem, you know, but they'll come to me, you know, and I'll just have them do, you know, just simple things to be able to move their, their spine around to, to do complex movements that you wouldn't normally do in everyday life. So that way, it creates what they call a little bit of neuroplasticity, right? So then that kind of opens up their motor mood a little bit. And also they're like, hey, I've got a little bit less pain now. Right? So like, for instance, I was working on today. And she just came in with like, excruciating, like lower back issues, right. So I just had her do, you know, some simple just mid line, mobile mobility, and working that around working in different angles, twisting, and then doing a little bit of thoracic gliding one way than the other way. And before you know what, she's still gonna see the Cairo after me, but she was feeling much better, you know, and she said, we have much more control. Well, Ari Gronich 43:54 the other benefit to that is that now when she goes to the chiropractor after you, he's going to be able to do that adjustment so much more effectively. And it's going to last so much longer. So that's where the collaboration between modalities has to come in has to it has to start being a part of the main stream thing that's happening in the industry, because otherwise, we're just kind of blowing smoke up the ass. Yeah, Kris Gieske 44:21 right. Yes. As that's one of the big things. That mean, the docs that work there, we work really well together, you know, and they'll introduce me, you know, they'll just be like, Hey, can you show how to foam roll? And I'll just take a few minutes to be like, hey, do you mind if I, you know, watch you walk or whatever? And, yeah, sure, you know, and I'll be like, Okay, let's do a little bit of this. And then it's like, hey, do you want to come and do an assessment? Yeah, sure. Right. So that's kind of the handoff happens because doctor wouldn't knows what I can do, but that's just as soft layup and I was like, Okay, let's give it a try, because she's coming in Week after week. And we're the same issue. Ari Gronich 44:57 Right? And I would rather it be the versus a soft handoff? I'd rather it be a prescription pad. Yeah, that gets taken care of through the right health care system. Yeah, that we, that we create, right? Because the point of this is that you're better than a prescription medication. Kris Gieske 45:21 Now, Ari Gronich 45:22 you're going to get the job done faster, it's going to produce less waste, right? Yeah, less times in the office less ability for fraud to happen, right? Right. Because the outcome would be more important than the procedures done, yes, after the amounts of procedures done. So if the outcome is important to you, as a patient, or as a therapist, or as a doctor, then you really need to, you know, listen to this way of thinking. And I, you know, I talk like this, sometimes I get into my, my preachy mode. But the truth is, is that if you don't, more patients are going to be in pain, more patients are going to be addicted to drugs, more patients are going to be wondering where they're, you know, where they're going to find relief, they're going to be suicidal, they're going to be depressed, because pain causes that in your chemistry, we know this, it stresses you out, which causes other kinds of diseases like heart disease, and, you know, so on, yes, presses on system. So in general, we need to build a healthcare system, that's not just designed the way that it is, and maybe tweaked a little bit, but redesigned to function more. And that includes incorporating modalities like yours modalities, you know, a chiropractic corrective exercise, you know, especially exercise for special needs, right. Because how many personal trainers, for instance, really know how to treat somebody who comes in with diabetes? Who comes in with MS who comes in with Parkinson's? Kris Gieske 47:07 Yeah, there's not many out there, right? They're kind of lost in the sauce a little bit. And they're just like, I guess we'll do this. And then they'll watch them do a movement pattern, but they won't know how to fix it, Ari Gronich 47:17 right? Or they'll, you know, do a few treatments, or a few sessions, few treatments, and all of a sudden, they won't see him forever. Because they got injured, and they didn't want to tell them they got injured doing that movement. Right, right. So it's incumbent upon all of us in the industry to start coming together and having these kinds of conversations, so that we can change the system so that it works more effectively and efficiently, so that our patients have a longer more joyful life. Right? Yeah, absolutely. So let's just, you know, talk about, about maybe three to five things that the audience listening, if it's a doctors listening, can do in order to change their own pain levels, their own issues, so that they can be more focused and really create a new tomorrow today, in themselves some actionable steps that they can do. Kris Gieske 48:17 That's how they can like communicate with other trainers and stuff like Ari Gronich 48:20 that, or exercises that they can do or something that they can actualize? You know, really, today, tomorrow to take away the pain, whatever it is, Kris Gieske 48:31 yeah, so there's, there's lots to the balance. And not just standing on a single leg, right? But also incorporating, you know, head and visual movements, right, being able to stare at an object and move your head around, because then that gets in your inner ear, right? And gets that vestibular system activated. And what people don't know if you don't know what the vestibular system is, right? It's your main balance system. Like it's your master control of what your body is doing. And being able to just sit there and be on one leg, two legs, tandem stance, and be able to move your head around all staring at an object. That's that's one of the big ones that we take away with the PCI cases, right? right brain injury, right? Because they don't know because their brain can lie to them. And they'll have like a little bit of midline shift, and they won't even know it. And that's why they bump into things. And then they can't close their eyes and stand up right without falling over is because that's all out of whack. So if you're normal, and you just have a little bit of pain, and you do some of that stuff, sometimes that can also bring threat levels away now. Awesome. Yeah. And then there's other things that you can do if you're, you know, just on the computer for a long time, and you know, your eyes get really strained. I mean, an easy drill is called a soft gaze. And what you do is just put your finger up, and you stare your finger, but you also see your peripheral vision around so it's not Like hard stare, so it's just kind of soft, but I can see right now I can see the green screen, I can see the table over there. Right? I can see below and above, right? And oftentimes people are like, wow, I can I can read a little bit longer now without falling asleep. Right? Right, because their eyes are so strained. And then another one is just, you know, move your body man, like, in ways that you wouldn't think to move it such as like doing a thoracic if you can't sit up and just slide back and forth, without moving your hips. You know, that's something that can also be beneficial to you to be able to move that through acid arounds, that lumbar doesn't have to do so much work. Ari Gronich 50:44 Awesome. These are some, some really good tips. I like the muscle confusion. And you know that that term is been used in in bodybuilding. Kind of, you know, haphazardly, I guess. But muscle confusion is doing anything that anything physically that confuses the kinesthetic system. So if you're used to walking straight, and at the same pace, just doing something like lengthening your stride, or shortening your stride confuses the muscles, and causes them to shift their behavior, so to speak. So you can fix ill gotten patterns. For instance, if you're if you're walking and your feet are like this, instead of like this, right, or like this pigeon toed or duck Toad, right? If you start to focus on your feet, and where your feet placement are, that's a muscle confusion that also works in your neurological system and start ending that process of pain signaling to your brain. Right? Kris Gieske 51:50 And that's, and that's where the muscle confusion comes from, is basically it's it's your brain, it's, it's nothing to do with your actual muscle system, right? it's to do with how your how your brain is mapped to your body. So some people can't, you know, just do this, right, they can just only move their, their thoracic spine, and what they call that M, and z or whatever is called as neuromuscular amnesia, their brain just forgot how to do it. Right? And all sudden, they start to do it again. And they're like, hey, it's weird. I have more flexibility in my hamstrings now that I can, you know, you know, move in certain ways for some reason. And then the feet you mentioned is huge. That's, that's one of the biggest ones that we get from veterans too. Because when you're a vet, right, what are you in all the time? Ari Gronich 52:42 boots, Kris Gieske 52:43 boots, right boots, your ankle is just very, very immobile. So when you first start to do like, such as like an ankle tilt to the side, right, so it's just kind of like if this is your ankle here, and you just kind of tilt it and start putting more pressure and more pressure on it. And that's one drill I give a lot of my athletes who roll their ankles all the time, is because what happens? Why do people get sprained ankles? Ari Gronich 53:06 No flexibility in their ankles that Yeah, Kris Gieske 53:08 they've gone somewhere that they haven't been before really fast. And the nervous system is right, in the sense that Golgi tendon organs like, Okay, I'm going to activate the circuit breaker here. And you're gonna be in a lot of pain. Right? Right. So, you know, after doing a lot of mobility, especially with a lot of veterans man and seeing how much more strength and power and flexibility they got after that, but also when they first start doing it, they cramp like crazy, because they're not used to doing it. Ari Gronich 53:43 Yeah, then you got to get them pickle juice. Yeah. But yeah, you know, I had a, when I was in gymnastics, I was three when I started gymnastics. I was I was a gymnast for eight years. Not as good as my brother who was almost to the Junior Olympics, like missed by three people, I think. But I was still, you know, I was competitive just wasn't as good as he was. And I would cramp a lot. And I would have all these, you know, different injuries. Yeah. And what ended up happening is we had our coach who did a ring routine. And I liked doing rings. I was really good at iron crosses, and things like that. And so, so I really was paying attention. And he did a dismount and landed with both of his ankles turned out. And he pops right back up. Now. I mean, mind you, he did a double flip off the rings and landed. It's a soft mat, but not that soft. That's right. But he landed his ankles turned completely out. And he said, This is why we train ankles every day. Yeah, right. But I've never heard anybody else. ever say that. Yeah, that I've trained with and baseball or any other sport tennis. Nobody ever said let's train here. ankles, right? No other therapists that I ever went to said that we got to train your ankles. Right. Right. You're like actually the first person other than me, I think that has ever said, I train people's ankles. I give them ankle drills. Yeah, absolutely. And it's one of the most important functioning things that you can do. Because your ankles, if you think about it, how your feet land, is your foot lands. And your ankle takes the shock that moves up to your calf and then your knee taking the shock and then moves up to your hip taking the shock, right, so you have all these different shock absorbers on the way Yeah, in the kinesthetic movement. If you take out the ankles, all of that shock goes straight to your knees, and your hips, right. So just turn your feet out and then bang on them or have somebody bang on your feet when they're turned out sometime. And all you're going to feel is your tibialis runners who get shin splints all the time, this is the biggest issue that they have is their their feet are turned out or turned in slightly. And all and they're putting all that shock. Yeah, right onto their tibia Kris Gieske 56:11 right there. Ari Gronich 56:13 And it causes the SAP and so if you're a runner out there, you just got a good tip, work on your gait, work on your your foot placement, and you're probably going to get rid of that shin splints. Kris Gieske 56:24 Yeah, and another reason why it's so important to map out those ankles. Right? Is Yeah, have you ever heard the human culus? Yes, right, the motor homunculus in a sensory humility, this, you know, it's this thing with like big lips and big hands, and big feet, right? And it's because it kind of represents of how much your brain it takes up. And your feet take up a lot of space, just like your eyes and lips and hands, right. So if you don't have a good map of those, you're going to cramp. You're gonna you know, get all that, you know, shin splints stuff going on. And you're going to have like knee issues. I've seen SI joint issues from it, right? It has somebody I'm like, hey, walk down and back and there, si there, right? One might be a little bit locked up. And I'll be like, okay, let's, let's do a little bit of ankle movement, right with your right ankle and do a little bit of, you know, toe polls and things like that. And they'll be like, okay, okay, this is kind of weird, but I'm like, Okay, now I'll come down back to it. That feels so much better. Ari Gronich 57:19 I know. It's crazy. It's crazy. I took four tenths of a second off of somebodies track time. Yeah. In under 10 minutes by working on his feet and ankles. Yeah. Like you're you're running. You're landing on them all day long, four or five hours a day. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So don't you think that they should be worked on and he had a foot thing? This is where I find I find things really funny. Yeah, leads now getting in the weeds. He had a foot thing. He didn't like his foot being touched or seen or whatever. I'm like, I don't care. I'm like, Can you can you live with it for this moment? Right. And he did he put up with it. And he went, oh my god. Yeah. I never felt like this. One of my other guys like Atlanta. Braves pitcher, right. Retired. I work on his feet. And we're at a PGA Show like PGA Merchandise show. Yeah, right. And I get done working on his feet. He said it felt like a bullet hole had gone through his foot. Oh, right. He comes back the next day. And gets another session. He said, If I had this when I was still playing, it would have added 15 years to my career. Now if you're a baseball player, your pitcher on? He was Braves during the legacy pitching dynasty. Yeah, right with maddix and Glavine and smalls. And I mean, he was one of those Yeah. And add 15 years to that career. Kris Gieske 58:57 Oh, man, Ari Gronich 58:58 in just the money that they make, you know, if you're an athlete out there, millions, the stuff that somebody can do for you that's outside of the box of what happens inside your organization is incredible. Yeah, like the ability that you have once you go outside of your organization, and find a therapist who really knows their stuff, right is that YouTube could be a world champion. You know, really, I mean, that's, that's the thing. And for you who are just somebody who's having so much trouble getting out of your car, I use this analogy a lot, getting out of your car, walking down a parking lot and through an entire grocery store. Without being in pain. If that's you, this is the kind of treatment that you really want to get. Not taking the pills not getting addicted to the opiates. Yeah, and staying with the painful issues that you have. Right, but really getting some kind of therapy that that is good and one day, and and really it's up to you guys a lot to push this on to your senators and governors and so on is one day it's covered. It's not an extra expense, because you're seeing a specialist. Right? It's just included in, we want you to be healthy, because that's the way of being an American is to be healthy country. The Healthy military. Yeah, Kris Gieske 1:00:27 right. Absolutely. Ari Gronich 1:00:29 I want one last thing, because you work in the military line I get stuck on on wanting to change systems. You know, this is this is the premise of my whole show is we have these systems that are broken, that aren't working, and we want to shift them and change them. So yeah. You know, on the military front, the military doesn't train their at their soldiers to be injury free. Right? They don't have corrective exercise specialists working with them during boot camp. No, right? These are places that we can make a difference. So if you're working with VA, if you're working with that, so if you're working with PTSD, if you're working with any of these organizations, if you're a senator or governor, you know, this are the people that you want on your team. Because we don't want our vets but let me ask you a question. Do you think that it's easy these days to find somebody who could put on a hook sack right now and have it 10 miles through a jungle? Oh, man. Right. Yeah. And then run away from somebody and still have enough where with all and energy and physical, you know, ability to be a soldier? Yeah, this is one of the things like for public safety, and the safety of a nation to not have good health. Right, and to not be physically able to function. Yeah, to where you can put on a sack. You know, that's 40 to 70 pounds. Yes. And, you know, walk around through a jungle all day long. Kris Gieske 1:02:12 Yeah. we've, Ari Gronich 1:02:14 we've got an issue that we have as a national security issue, the health care of our nation. Kris Gieske 1:02:20 Yeah, absolutely. Health care, and then, you know, looking at, you know, the military boot camps to bring these kids in, right? You're not dealing with the same animal that you had 1960 right. Now, you're dealing with a much bigger animal, right? And then you're asking them to run, you know, three to five miles right? out the gate. You know, and you got some guy huffing and puffing, I mean, his, you know, body just cannot take that punishing it. Right. And, and a little bit of vetting, there's pry needed, but you know, as well as there's no really poster chain involvement in any of the exercises, right? Everything is anterior, everything's push ups, everything's set up. So everything's, you know, hump and everything is Ari Gronich 1:03:01 said, that means everything is in the front of your body, not in the back of your body. So posterior is back to your body. anterior is the front of your body. So just in case, yeah, you know, people didn't, didn't know what that match that, right. So pushing versus pulling, right. So everything is a push movement in the military. And most of the instabilities come from not having a strong posterior. So when you do balance, those kinds of exercise routines, you get people moving forward. Right. Yeah. And eventually, they end up looking at their toes when they're 80 years old. Yeah. Right. Because they can't raise their body. Yeah. And you know, you've all seen old soldiers. Yeah. Right. And they, they're, they started here, you know, yeah. But then when you see them, they're either here, or they're down further, or they're arching down, because that's what happens to the body when you only are working, Kris Gieske 1:04:02 that anterior, here, everything starts pulling. And then another, you know, if you're talking about, you know, national emergency, you know, I'm seeing, you know, kids nowadays, their posture is horrible. You know, the way they're sitting and all that is, again, in the front of the body, everything's anterior. Right? So they have the zoom class, right? That they're on, and they get on their tablet, right? And again, their phone and their text, and they're always in this position, right? And you see him like this. And then you see their feet turned out and they're in their knees out a call to no asset or syndrome. They have no but they have no back most everything is just so crunched forward. And that just brings out a whole other host of issues and movement problems and patterns that come into fruition later in life toy. They're like, Oh, this is in pain all the time. Ari Gronich 1:04:52 Right. And you know, the thing that they don't understand is happening is when they're going forward like that. You're dying. for him is here, your heart is here, your lungs are here, and you start crunching these down, you don't have as much deep ability to breathe deep, your organs start getting crunched on and squeezed on and they can't function as readily and availably as normal function would be, right. So, you know, everything is connected everything. And we really need to get that, you know, both for our physical bodies for the systems that we create, the environment we create, everything is connected. There's a great show series that I just watched on Netflix called connected. And it's all about how the world is interconnected. And it's a great series if anybody gets an opportunity to watch as you know, because it literally goes through like how the Sahara how the sand in the Sahara blows with the wind? And, and is the fertilizer basically has the nutrients and the whatever to grow all the plants in the Amazon. Oh, right. In I mean, South America, sand from here blows to there. How does the sand also help to stop hurricanes? You know, I mean, the interconnectivity of the universe and of the world of the earth of nature is so vast, and when we screw with it, like we've done in so many ways, and especially the last hundred years, when we screw with nature, nature will screw back with us. And we've been getting the hard end of the screwing at this point. So is the money more important? Or is the screwing we're getting more important? Because we're allowing the screwing to happen for the game of money, which is something we made up in our heads, right? Something it's not so real, right? So I'm just giving you guys a little bit to think about your, you know what, we're going to end the call, you gave some great tips, Kris. Awesome. Where can people get a hold of you if they wanted to fly out to Colorado, and enjoy the snow and beautiful mountainair. Kris Gieske 1:07:15 So you can go to www.kgmaxfitness.com, it's kgmaxfitness.com. And you can find me there you can find our work and my phone and all that to schedule if you want. Ari Gronich 1:07:30 Sounds good. Thank you so much for being here. Kris, this has been another great episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. And you know, just remember, the world is interconnected. What we do makes a difference. And what we don't do makes a difference. And the things that we know are that our mind creates our movement, both emotionally, as well as physically. And if you want your mind and your emotions and your body to work in sync, and work more effectively and efficiently. Work on those visual keys. You know, work on that direction, work on your balance. You know, I have my son doing these great balance exercises like walking heel to toe on a straight line of th

And today we have David Gruder, Dr. David Gruder. In fact, he is a twelve award winning integrative psychologist. He's president of the Integrity Culture Systems, which work focuses on what he calls self sovereignty, and that serves us all. He equips leaders, influencers and entrepreneurs who are called to repair and evolve the world in their own unique ways with inner, outer and spiritual skills to expand their positive impact. And a super change Catalyst's without sacrificing their lightheartedness, health, financial well-being or cherished personal and work relationships. *Episode Highlights* *David* [00:02:51] This one year it was it was 1960 at the latest. I might have been fifty nine, but I think it was 60. The New Year's card was a UNICEF card and it simply said the greater peace will only come after the smaller peace we make with each other. And even at six years old, those words went just straight into the core of my being turned out to really have a major hand in crafting the calling that I came to understand that I was here in this world to fulfill. *Ari* [00:03:28] That is awesome. You know what? If you're going to express one of the challenges that you've had in getting this message across with them, the system has, as we have it, what would be kind of the biggest challenge that you've had to face? *David* [00:03:46] The biggest challenge that I've had to face is something that I for decades have referred to as rightness addiction and among colleagues in the psychology profession. I use a tongue in cheek term, a fake, a fake diagnosis I call a paradigm attachment disorder. And so people who are right about how wrong everyone else is, they're unteachable and they're in that kind of state of of arrogance. *David* [00:06:28] So I decided I was here as punishment. And what I was able to offer to all that I was able to offer in that moment was the willingness to consider the possibility that maybe I was wrong and that little tiny bit of willingness was enough to crack the door open to what ultimately over time resulted in my finally outgrowing that rightness addiction of mine. And that story seems to impact the people who are teachable. *David* [00:11:17] Challenging people to to recognize that there are two forms of love. One is nurturance and the other is challenge. And that nurturing love, if it is out of context with challenging love, if it's only nurturance, it becomes self-indulgence that teaches entitlement. When challenging is without nurturance, it becomes shaming and abusive and coercive. We we must have both. And so that would be my first first recommendation is to practice that. My second recommendation is to practice remembering that people adopt positions and attitudes and defensiveness. For really good reasons, that the origins of their stuffiness, of their blindness, of their rigidity, of their attacking, of whatever they're doing, have have really good reasons behind them. That doesn't mean that the behavior is justifiable. But the origin of empathy, the origin of compassion is understanding that when people are relating to me in ways that I would prefer that they not or relating to others in those were ways that they're operating from their wounds. You know, people live their lives at the level of their wombs, not their wishes. So that would be the second thing. And the third thing would be the humility of teach ability, the humility that says I know that I am particularly focused on and have some wisdom to share about slices of a larger picture. But I don't see the entire larger picture. No one else does. And I really want to see parts of the larger picture that other people are more attuned to than I am. So that together we can discover what the whole picture looks like. *Ari* [00:13:59] Awesome. Thank you so much for being here. And I'm going to have you back on so that we can have a longer conversation and talk about some of the myriad of things that that you and I have had conversations about in the past when we've been face to face, able to to touch, you know, touch and see each other. *Resources and Links* * *https://drgruder.com* * *https://drgruder.com/academy* * *https://CreateANewTomorrow.com* * *https://www.facebook.com/arigronich* *Full Transcription* *Ari&David1.mp3* *Ari* [00:00:01] Hass it occurred to you that the systems we live by are not designed to get results. We pay for procedures instead of outcomes, focusing on emergencies rather than preventing disease and living a healthy lifestyle. For over 25 years, I've taken care of Olympians, Paralympians, A-list actors and Fortune 1000 companies. If I did not get results, they did not get results. I realized that while powerful people who controlled the system want to keep the status quo. If I were to educate the masses, you would demand change. So I'm taking the gloves off and going after the systems as they are. Join me on my mission to create a new tomorrow as a chat with industry experts. Elite athletes thought leaders and government officials about how we activate our vision for a better world. We may agree and we may disagree, but I'm not backing down. *Ari* [00:00:50] I'm Ari Gronich and this is. Create a new tomorrow podcast. *Ari* [00:01:03] And welcome back to another episode of Create a New Tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. *Ari* [00:01:09] And today with me, I have David Gruder, Dr. David Gruder. In fact, he is a twelve award winning integrative psychologist. He's president of the Integrity Culture Systems, which work focuses on what he calls self sovereignty, and that serves us all. *Ari* [00:01:27] He equips leaders, influencers and entrepreneurs who are called to repair and evolve the world in their own unique ways with inner, outer and spiritual skills to expand their positive impact. *Ari* [00:01:40] And a super change Catalyst's without sacrificing their lightheartedness, health, financial well-being or cherished personal and work relationships. He is amazing. I've known this man for about a decade or so and I have experienced some amazing things. I call him the gurus, guru or the mentor, his mentor, because some of his clients have included some of the most influential leaders that we have. Welcome, David. I'd like to hear from you a little bit. Just tell what got you started in this field. *David* [00:02:17] Oh, my gosh. Well, thank you for that kind introduction. And what got me in this field. I can go back into childhood around what got me into this field. I. Oh, my gosh. So many so many stories I could select from. But the one that I'll I'll keep an eye on for now is when I was right bout six years old and my family received a New Year's card. *David* [00:02:51] This one year it was it was 1960 at the latest. I might have been fifty nine, but I think it was 60. The New Year's card was a UNICEF card and it simply said the greater peace will only come after the smaller peace we make with each other. And even at six years old, those words went just straight into the core of my being turned out to really have a major hand in crafting the calling that I came to understand that I was here in this world to fulfill. *Ari* [00:03:28] That is awesome. You know what? If you're going to express one of the challenges that you've had in getting this message across with them, the system has, as we have it, what would be kind of the biggest challenge that you've had to face? *David* [00:03:46] The biggest challenge that I've had to face is something that I for decades have referred to as rightness addiction and among colleagues in the psychology profession. I use a tongue in cheek term, a fake, a fake diagnosis I call a paradigm attachment disorder. And so people who are right about how wrong everyone else is, they're unteachable and they're in that kind of state of of arrogance. *David* [00:04:20] That to me, is is the single biggest challenge. Probably the second biggest challenge is, is lack of self responsibility. OK. *Ari* [00:04:29] So how have you been able to overcome that with some of your clients? Because I know that you've probably had a number of clients who have had that syndrome. And I'm absolutely certain that in some cases you've been able to help overcome that particular addiction. So what are some of the skills that you used or tools that you've used in order to help people get over that? *David* [00:04:56] Right. *David* [00:04:57] Well, two parts to answering your question briefly, one. One part is that I don't try to make the unteachable see the light. So I. And that ties into the second part, which is I'm vetting people's teach ability to see whether it's a right match for me to assist them. I, I will often tell a story that kind of blows the untouchability piece out of the water if it is capable of being blown out of the water. And that goes to when I was thirty five years old in nineteen eighty nine, I was. Working with I was a client to someone who was doing some some healing work on me, and she turned to me one day and she said about a piece of programing that I was very wedded to. I was in rightness addiction about, which was that I was here on Earth as punishment. And she turned to me and she said, what is it going to take for you to outgrow that crazy belief of yours? *David* [00:06:11] And I I would have sworn on a stack of Bibles at that point in my life for the first 35 years of my life that I was here on Earth as punishment and punishment for what I didn't know. But I know I didn't want to be here. *David* [00:06:28] So I decided I was here as punishment. And what I was able to offer to all that I was able to offer in that moment was the willingness to consider the possibility that maybe I was wrong and that little tiny bit of willingness was enough to crack the door open to what ultimately over time resulted in my finally outgrowing that rightness addiction of mine. And that story seems to impact the people who are teachable. *Ari* [00:07:06] You know that that is a great story. *Ari* [00:07:08] I've I, I have this thing, you know, that I call nuanced thinking. I don't know if that's an actual term, but I call it nuanced thinking. And what I feel like, especially this day and age, is that so many people are so right about whatever their position is and they lack nuanced thinking, the ability to see things in little bits and pieces so that they can assess, OK. Is this particular thing right or wrong based on nuanced thinking versus based on my philosophy or my belief in the world? And we you know, we're seeing this all over the place in this new world that's been created in the last four or five months. And and it's really difficult. You know, people are becoming really intolerant of nuanced thinking, not just not knowing what it is, but really intolerant of it. How do you suggest that we kind of get over ourselves so that we can look at reality and say and start developing this nuanced thought pattern? *David* [00:08:26] Mm hmm. Yeah, well, I like your term nuanced thinking. I am regularly attacked for nuanced thinking. And so what do I recommend? I recommend two things. The first is I recommend lightheartedness, because I know that when people attack me for what you're wonderfully calling nuanced thinking, I know that what they're really doing is expressing that I've scared them, that my thinking is scaring them. And it's really hard for me to be angry, judgmental and and punitive towards someone that I recognize is scared. It's really easy for me to to be those things with someone who I'm telling myself a story that they're attacking me. So lightheartedness is one piece. The other piece that I think is really important is what I call tensions, competence, tensions, literacy, which is the ability to sit in the ambiguity of of a point of view that is not either or thinking, but as both. And that looks at how to. How do we integrate the core concerns and core intentions, the noble concerns and noble intentions underneath people's positions rather than get locked into an arm wrestling match match at best, and a world war psychologically at worst, when we get into an argument over surface positions, surface positions or garbage. What's fueling them at the level of of noble concerns and intentions is where the gold is. *Ari* [00:10:12] That seems a little bit like, you know, taking into consideration Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Right. And saying, OK, so what is behind the behind the need that's being expressed right now? Is that does that. Am I accurate? And in that assessments are on. *David* [00:10:28] Spot on. *Ari* [00:10:29] OK. *Ari* [00:10:30] So if we were going to offer the audience three and I ask this of every guest at the end of an interview with like three actionable. *Ari* [00:10:41] Steps that somebody can take today, tomorrow in order to shift their world, activate their vision for a better world and create a new tomorrow, what would those three actionable items be, in your point of view and your perspective? *David* [00:11:02] So if I had to had to break them down or divide them down two to only three. I would start with with. *David* [00:11:17] Challenging people to to recognize that there are two forms of love. One is nurturance and the other is challenge. And that nurturing love, if it is out of context with challenging love, if it's only nurturance, it becomes self-indulgence that teaches entitlement. When challenging is without nurturance, it becomes shaming and abusive and coercive. We we must have both. And so that would be my first first recommendation is to practice that. My second recommendation is to practice remembering that people adopt positions and attitudes and defensiveness. For really good reasons, that the origins of their stuffiness, of their blindness, of their rigidity, of their attacking, of whatever they're doing, have have really good reasons behind them. That doesn't mean that the behavior is justifiable. But the origin of empathy, the origin of compassion is understanding that when people are relating to me in ways that I would prefer that they not or relating to others in those were ways that they're operating from their wounds. You know, people live their lives at the level of their wombs, not their wishes. So that would be the second thing. And the third thing would be the humility of teach ability, the humility that says I know that I am particularly focused on and have some wisdom to share about slices of a larger picture. But I don't see the entire larger picture. No one else does. And I really want to see parts of the larger picture that other people are more attuned to than I am. So that together we can discover what the whole picture looks like. *Ari* [00:13:18] You know that that's a really good point. And to me, I call that tribal living or teamwork. You know, when when you can adopt a perspective that other people have something to contribute to you as much as you have something to contribute to them. And when we come together, we can really create something amazing and magical. *Ari* [00:13:40] So, David, how could people get a hold of you if they're interested in learning more about you and what you have to offer? *David* [00:13:48] Well, probably the single best place to look is my main Web site, which is Dr. Gruder dot com. *David* [00:13:54] That's drgruder.com. *Ari* [00:13:59] Awesome. Thank you so much for being here. And I'm going to have you back on so that we can have a longer conversation and talk about some of the myriad of things that that you and I have had conversations about in the past when we've been face to face, able to to touch, you know, touch and see each other. *Ari* [00:14:20] Yeah, I'm looking forward to having more conversations. *Ari* [00:14:24] And, you know, this is the kind of information that I want my I want the listeners to to really have is how can we change the world? How can we create a new tomorrow without some of these skills that you're talking about? *Ari* [00:14:41] And and it's very beneficial, I think, to doing so. *Ari* [00:14:46] So we're gonna have another conversation. *Ari* [00:14:48] In the meantime, this has been another episode of Create a New Tomorrow, Activating Your Vision for a Better World. And I am your host, Ari Gronich. Thank you so much for being here, David. And have a healthy day. *David* [00:15:01] And you as well. *Ari* [00:15:03] Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. If you'd like to take this information further and are interested in joining a community of like minded people who are all passionate about activating their vision for a better world, go to the Web site, createanewtomorrow.com and find out how you can be part of making a bigger difference. I have a gift for you. Just for checking it out. And look forward to seeing you take the lead. And joining our private paid mastermind community. *Ari* [00:15:34] Until then, see you on the next episode.

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Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.#Podcast #health #Education #CreateANewTomorrow+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:00  I'm Ari Gronich, and this is create a new tomorrow podcast.Welcome to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host Ari Gronich and today I have with me a good dear friend Robert Riopel, I am not using an intro speech or anything today because I have a very deep personal connection to this man. He was the first trainer at MMI Millionaire Mind Institute, or a million millionaire, mind intensive, through peak potentials that I went to a training that he did, it was his very first time being a solo trainer. And we had 1000s of people in the audience and this man killed it. He went on to train, I think it's over a half a million people in business and life skills. This guy is incredible. And now he's doing this new project that I'm excited to talk to him about, but mostly, he's just a fantastic person. For ideas. I mean, he's owned Domino's franchise, he's been married his high school sweetheart, I mean, that guy that whose does that these days and stays married to them? He might have a secret or chill. I don't know. Let's talk to him. Robert. share a little bit, give me a give me a Give me your intro.Robert Riopel 1:39  Well, you know, I just have to be here. Because, as you know, I love to have fun. I believe there's way too many serious people on this planet. And life's too short not to have fun. And it's interesting that you brought up my high school sweetheart, because actually yesterday, on the time of recording this, yesterday was our 32nd wedding anniversary. And so yeah, I met when we're 13 started dating when we're 16 got married when we're 19 Oh, I just started giving my age away. So I just, you know, I've been blessed, you know, international best selling author, App Designer, and entrepreneur, and I'm a trainer that's traveled the world, you'll be for COVID, I was on average traveling 200,000 miles a year around the world during training. And it's my passion is what I absolutely love to do. Because a couple things happen. One, when a student comes up to me and says, Hey, do you remember when you said this? Here's how it changed my life. Yeah, we're not gonna talk about what you were telling me about. That's one of the greatest feelings in the world, is when you see that you're making an impact. Because then you realize that maybe I've taught over half a million people personally. But now how exponentially did that grow by the people that they went back into their lives and impacted, and they then impact it, and they impact it? That's what gets me really jazzed and excited. So, you know, for me, I'm a guy who does what I love, and enjoys life and you know, helps as many people as I can.Ari Gronich 3:12  Absolutely. So I'm going to tell it tell a story that you don't remember. And it's an impactful story for my life. So I just want to I want to I want to share it with the audience because I think it goes along with the idea of creating a new tomorrow. A lot of people know my background and know my history that listen to the show, really briefly from rape and molestation growing up bullying being told I was sick and would never get better having to be injected into puberty. I mean, I grew up in a way that was pretty Rocky, let's just easily put it that way. I've had 20 friends who have committed suicide. And, and the first attempt I had at suicide was at nine years old. And when I was at the MMI, your very first one, you pulled me up on stage to speak to the audience. And I had been speaking with EMI and Mark Victor Hansen, Robert Allen with the enlightened millionaire millionaire Institute. I had been doing money in you and I had been doing all kinds of things. I've been in the industry a while. And I had recently worked on somebody. This was over 20 years ago, I think or not 20 but it was close. It was what was the first one for 2004. So close. Yeah, it's close to two. So I had just gotten back from the Paralympics. Working on some of the most amazing athletes gold medals under my hands left and right. World's records broken not just Paralympic records, but world records. And I was I was feeling really blessed. At this moment, I get up on stage. And you asked me, I think it was what my best memory of my business was or something like that. And I spoke about the Olympics. And then I spoke about this guy that I worked on, who was paralyzed for 30 years. And I was called in to basically help him being more comfortable. He his body, you know, is the movement of his body. But he had been quadriplegic for the first 10 years, and paraplegic for the last 20, he took a hit of LSD in the 60s thought he could fly, jumped off a balcony and crushed his spine. So he had been very wealthy family had been to like the best of the best in the world. And when I started touching him, and I was thinking about it in my head, like, how, how can I help him the best, I was thinking if he went from quadriplegic, paraplegic, after 10 years, he could go from paraplegic to walking. I just was something I was young, and dumb. And I knew this. And this is actually a story that I tell a little bit on my trailer actually for the show. So I get up on stage, and I'm telling the story of how, in three months of working with this man, I had him walking. Wow. I said he could feel my fingers on his toes. He could move his hips forward on his own mental accord. He had arm crutches, but he could move. I mean, he had been crawling for 20 years. And I said something along the lines of even though I've had all of these amazing accomplishments, because of my past, I still feel like I'm worthless. And 2500 people, I think at that event, something around there 1500 to 2500, don't remember, it was big. And it was vulnerable. And you pulled me aside after the event was over. And you told me how valuable I was to you and to the event at large. And how much of worth, I had delivered in that five minutes of talking. And the fact that you were able to come and show me in a physical way how much I met you and how much that I was valuable, was a big turning point. In the way that I started to see myself it was still a journey. And obviously with life directions, we did a lot of things together. Butit was the beginning of a journey that was really powerful. And I've never told you that I wanted to take this opportunity to share it with you so that the audience gets how much of an impact you've had. And that's me, you've done this with half a million almost people were you've literally taken the time to go individually to some of them, and tell them how much they meant to you. And so that's how I want to start because this is all about creating a new tomorrow, activating our vision for a better world. you embody the authenticity, and the drive of that. And so I wanted to tell you that and then get your feedback, too. Because it meant so much and I've never told you that.Robert Riopel 8:53  Wow, dude, I'm also gonna face right now, if I had hair on the top of my head to be standing up for every other hair on my body is I'm lit. And I appreciate you sharing that with me. Because if and this is what people don't understand, is when they live their authentic life, and they follow their passion. They have the courage. You know, it's something in the new kind of trains I've been doing. I've talked about instead of having the courage to live life, it's authentically having the courage to allow life to live you. And that's a whole different paradigm shift. And so when I hear things like that, I don't have expectations. I don't have, am I going to help people? How will I help people? You know, I hope they get this out of this. I just I got to be me. Because if I try to implement what I think should happen, I take away half the magic or more. And so to hear that absolute magic what you just share with me thank you that wow, I don't even mean I don't even know where to go from here. Now.Ari Gronich 10:02  Well, you know that the idea is that we're creating this world, we're living in a place that feels to many people. So disconnected. So like, everything, you know that George Carlin said, we make things like computers to connect the world, and then it divides us so much. And so, as we're creating an tomorrow as we're living that authentic life, as we're activating those visions for a better world, you're one of the people who has actively done that, your entire life. And so, how that's how where we go with it is what caused you to be that kind of a man? Right? What was the thing that triggers? And then, you know, obviously, through this show, we're gonna talk a lot about tips and tricks and things that people can do. But really, I want that I want to have a deeper conversation with you today.Robert Riopel 11:03  And look, let's, let's go there. Because that's where I think a lot of value, cuz I look at, say, what's going on in the world today. And one of the worst things I think they could have done was call it social distancing. Physical distancing, yes, stay safe. But now more than ever, people need to be social. And so a couple things I've implemented over this past year, is something as simple as when I do my gratitude journal in the morning. I don't, you know, it started off as a success journal. I write down five successes for the day. And then it started to morph into what, what successes I had, but what am i grateful for? What And who am I grateful for. And then when I write down names, cuz obviously a name would pop my head just because of, there's something I remembered about them. And in that moment, I was like, I'm grateful for this person in my life. And over this past year, it's morphed into, instead of just writing their name, what about sending them a message? And if I can send them a voice message, but the key is being with I do it with no expectation? No. Hey, arias is Robert here. I just won't let you know. I'm grateful for you in my life. Can I get back to me? No, if you're loving, because you know how that feels, if it was like that. So I sent it with no expectation of whether ever they hear it, get it, send something back or not. And I do it because it'll say something like, you know, I just want to let you know, in my gratitude journal, I thought of you today because of bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, thank you for being in my life, I hope you're doing amazing. And you and your family are safe. And I ended up that now some people get back and, and we've had some great connections and others don't and, and it's just an or some people just give me a heart or, and everything's perfect. So things like that. Cuz you're right with technology. How easy today is to stay more connected. But why don't we? Why is it that people sit around a table and everybody is in eating but they're all disconnected? Because yes, exactly. their fingers in their thumbs are going on their phone. And it's like, or, and some of them will text across the table to each other. That's how they communicate. It's like, Really? IAri Gronich 13:12  find it hilarious in my house, where somebody will text the person upstairs. Hey, it's dinnertime, instead of just calling Hey, it'sRobert Riopel 13:23  right. Because that ding on the phone will get their attention, but a hauler won't, right. And so kind of the answer the question, why am I the way I am? Look, I'm the youngest of four children. And to get my share of attention, I became that people pleaser. And I was like, I gotta, I gotta get people like me. I'm very shy. And a lot of people have a hard time believing that. But I am, I'm traditionally shy, but I hide my shyness by being outgoing. And so I've done some crazy stuff in my life. And, but my direction was always look, we were born on the wrong side of the tracks. We're, we're the wrong real pals. And I don't know if I ever shared that with you, but even the spelling of my name, something I didn't really realize until a few years ago and probably thank goodness. But when we started researching my last name, real pal, which was a French name, it can be spelled ri o p e L, which is how minus or ri o p e l l, e, m, which is another version, those are the two most common and if your name was spelt with the l l e, that meant you were born into the upper crust of the Riopel, the right side of the tracks, the fluent but if your name was spelt just ri o p L, that meant you were the trash. You couldn't afford the extra LAri Gronich 14:45  and the extra E.Robert Riopel 14:47  Right? Because you know letters are expensive. They are letters, and it has something to do with the masculine and feminine over whatever but you know, and so I look back at my family history, and no wonder my grandparents came west, you know, no wonder they were pioneering and, and, you know, trying to change life. And so thank goodness, I didn't know that because as a child, what would I have done? Oh, I would have ingrained that so deep of why I can't be successful. And I was taught though, because my parents, everyone in my family, my dad's second oldest of 10 kids, and the only non entrepreneur in the family. All right. And so it was you, you do whatever you need to do to take care of your family. I've actually talked to my dad about this yesterday, and that we were nomads, when we're young. I never spent more than six months, maybe a year in a school, because they were always having to move to get work to feed the family, because that was number one. Whether you liked the job or not, you did what you needed to do to take care of your family. And so I learned my work ethic from them. But thank goodness, I had people into my life that said, No, there's something more. And we spoke about earlier, which is my wife, you know, one of the greatest gifts she gives me is she's not willing to let me play smaller than I am. And in fact, if it was left up to me, I have no problem admitting it. I would be comfortably miserable in a job right now. miserable, but I'd be going but this is what I'm supposed to do. So I'll all suck it up. I will do my job. I will. Because if it's stable, and it's paying me that I don't complain, no, I just do what I need to do. But she won't let me play in that state.Ari Gronich 16:34  Nice. Good for her.Robert Riopel 16:37  Yeah. Yeah. I'll give her as well, because it's got to go two ways, right.Ari Gronich 16:44  I remember my dad sitting in a was standing in a telephone booth, with a bag full of quarters, and a telephone book, telemarketing. In the middle of orange groves in California, like in the middle of nowhere, orange groves. And I remember this I you know, for him, it was one of his worst moments. For me, it was one of my best, because I saw the links to which my father loved. Hmm, yeah, that's how I took it was he didn't show, you know, he was very busy, he always trying to survive. So while he showed love, he was very busy. He was an absent. And yet he, that act of doing that made me know that what he was doing was worth it. Like he was doing it for us. And even though I felt that abandonment as a kid, I also saw why. And it was that was really powerful. So I liked that. You got that from your dad.Robert Riopel 17:59  Yeah, and that's the thing is, is, you know, my parents went through health issues. And the other one would always step up when the other one was in the hospital. And, you know, work the two jobs and take care of the kids or what have you. And so I learned a lot of amazing things from my family. And it just, it's, so it's made me who I am today. And I will always look at that and go, I'm grateful that you know, talk about the gratitude, I'm grateful. And when you talk about creating a new tomorrow, probably one of the biggest things I feel people can do is really focus more on what they are grateful for, don't focus on the lack or what's pissing them off, or why they don't have this or why they don't have that. Just focus even a little bit, just a little bit on something you're grateful for. Even taking a deep breath and going. Yep, I was able to do that. I was able to do that. I'm grateful for the fact that you and I are doing this interview. And I'm not at home because I'm able to be here supporting family that are going through some pretty major stuff right now. And because we have the freedom financially to be wherever we need to be. I'm grateful for that. You know, those those are the things I focus on and, and especially during this time with isolation. Do you reach out to people and something like instill upon my students? Three people a day, just reach out and ask simple three words? How are you? And then open your ears and Listen, don't go go. Hey, Ari, how are you? Oh, great. I'm glad you're okay. And I'm doing good. Which is what a lot of people do but actually be present in the moment. And and just be interested in how they are. And watch what that can do for people just by authentically showing some interest in them.Ari Gronich 19:52  You know, it's weird because I was talking to my son recently. He's seven and I was telling teaching him a little bit About focus, and how important being able to focus is. And it's interesting, because what you said about being present is what I said to him about focus. So he was at dinner, and he was jumping up every bite, he had to go somewhere, do something and get distracted by some somewhere in something. Right? And what I told him is, have you ever tried to be really present with your food? really present with the flavors and the experience of it on your tongue? The smell as it's going down, you know, the feeling in the back of your throat as you swallow the chewing? Like, have you ever been really present with that? And it was interesting, because that's a very similar thing to what you're saying. But being present with people being present with anything is so difficult and requires a lot of focus. So do you have any like, tips or tricks? Like, how does somebody be present with somebody else without the background noise in their head? It's a good concept to say to somebody, but like practicality, let's get down to the practically How do they do that?Robert Riopel 21:19  Yeah, well, you know, first of all, it takes practice. Don't think that Oh, I know. Aryan Roberts has told me that this is a great thing to do. So I just learned it. I should be good at I should be a probiotic. Because that's how we sabotage ourselves. Right? One of my favorite quotes, probably hardest book. My favorite quote of all, every master was once a disaster, which means you're going to be a disaster, you're going to go through a disaster stage, you've got to practice. And that's what most people they forget or choose not to do. They choose not to practice. So when it comes to that, I'm going to go back to something I learned back in 2002, that has served me all my life. I actually and because you know me, you know how tough this was, for me. I did a four day Zen retreat with a Zen master where I could not speak for four days, Roxanne was in bliss. I think there are those from Earth Day. But I couldn't speak and it was all about that what you were talking about you want to food. While you're just saying with your son. That's what made me think about is, we couldn't when we sat down for a meal, we're all facing the same direction looking at beautiful scenery. And you take your fork or knife or spoon, put a mouthful in, put it down and then intend to notice everything about that flavor, the texture, the smell, and just chewing it natural experience yourself, taking it in. And then you take a deep breath before he takes another spoonful. And I don't need that flow normally. Oh my goodness. And in the beginning, it felt like it in the beginning felt like. But by time I did it for 40 straight, it became natural. So one one tip, practice. But what really brought me to this was something that really impacted me that my teacher had said, Every night we were able to break our silence to ask questions and earn a better question. I was going around in my head going around in my head. But I was too afraid to ask it and another woman voice and she said Sherry, she goes, You know what? We're here. And we're meditating. In this space. It's easy. We know it's uncomfortable, not but it's easy. Because we're in the space. How do I do this? When I go home? Or I'm a mom, I'm busy. I got kids screaming, I don't have time to sit down for 20 minutes and go, okay. What do I do? And Sherry's answer to me was so profound, she said, she goes, look, meditating means being present. So the fact is, anything that you're doing, where you're actually present in that moment, you're meditating. And awesome. I went, Wow. So when I'm on the stage, if I'm present with my audience, I'm meditating. When I'm talking to an audience member, one on one if they're sharing, people go to me all the time, Robert, how's it you draw out of people and can see what's going on in their life? It's because I'm not a pure in my head. I am just connected with them. I'm present. So I'm actually meditating. So they think that I'm helping them which I am. But it's also helping me right now. You and I are having this conversation. I'm aware of everything that's going on around me. But I'm here in this moment with you right now. So I'm practicing my meditation. And so if you want to know how a practical skill to create it, Start, take 10 seconds. And truly taking that deep breath and be present in the moment of what you're doing. And then cried again a little bit later, and then do it again. And then every time you go home present practice, okay? Okay? Start with taking a deep breath because you can only breathe no present. And just bring yourself to where you are, and then notice where you are. Are you in your head? Or are you actually truly here? I justAri Gronich 25:30  I just tried to breathe in the future and it didn't work.Robert Riopel 25:33  I know, right? It's easy. Now try not try doing it in the past. You and I are gonna have so much fun as we keep talking. Because that's the thing is it? You know, and another tip is don't take things so seriously. Even when might seem serious. Yeah, the humor. I wasAri Gronich 25:55  I was doing a hypnosis course. And it was a past life regression. Course. And the instructor was channeling a being or an entity named I think Miss Dr. Peabody or something like that. I was some weird name. That I was like, Oh, God, it wasn't Cleopatra. But it always is, you know, I'm Cleopatra in Formula. How many Cleopatra's Have you met? anyway? So Mr. Peabody? Dad, if you want to be enlightened, yeah, gotta lighten up. Yeah, I went, Oh, my God. Do I have a lot of practicing to do? Because I'm, you know, I grew up, I'm a pretty serious person most of the time. And, and I got serious work to do to create a new tomorrow. And, you know, I was like, and now I read dude, three. So yeah, I mean, yeah, you know, people have forgotten that living is about living. And that living, breathing, really reading in life. You know, it's about stopping that joy of life,Robert Riopel 27:14  it's about your son. What you said about your son is where he's, he's modeling you. So when you talk to him about your being present, use that as a reminder for yourself to be present in that moment. Because every moment, you're impacting people around you, whether you know it or not. And most people you're impacting them with not with what you're saying, but it's how you're acting, what you're doing, your way of being. And so if someone said, Well, how do I create a better tomorrow? A new tomorrow? Well just start with you. And then allow that example? Because is it going to impact a ton of people? Maybe not? Is it going to help even one person? Maybe not, but it will help you?Ari Gronich 27:58  Yeah, the whole idea of competition, right, to me is, is been inverted. Because the only competition that I think anybody should ever be in competitive competition with is yesterday's version of myself, or yesterday's version, right? So let's talk a little bit about how you can be in competition with yourself. So that you're consistently in that growth mode without overwhelm.Robert Riopel 28:35  I'm glad you put that last part in there. Because as soon as you put it in, phrase it in competition with yourself probably like, oh, my goodness, I gotta go and get better cuz I'm not getting better, I suck. And then that gets becomes a reason to beat themselves up. And oh, my God, if I sucked, and why am I even trying to give off? Now it luggages without getting that overwhelm. And that's where the practice of being present really comes in. And ask yourself, did I take one more step? And then celebrate it? You know, in my first book success, let the clue. Step number four is celebrate your successes. You know, if I had to count on my fingers, thank goodness, there's not like 25 steps, or I'd never get through because I only have 10 fingers 10 toes, right? So I tell people celebrate your successes, because then that what you're focusing on puts you more towards that. So reason I determine and notice most people get overwhelmed. is they set a goal, okay? Are you just told me to only compete with myself. So that means I'm going to do this and this and this and this and this, and I got to get better at it. I got to be really good. And they're now 1000 steps ahead of themselves, trying to figure it out, trying to figure out how they're going to do it. But is it good enough? What if I misinterpreted it? Do Am I doing it the right way? is all what he really meant. Any of this sounding familiar? And so you definitely take a deep breath and you say, Okay, how am I doing right now? I'm doing good. Excellent. Okay, let's take one more step. And then check in with yourself. How am I doing? And in the, in the beginning, it'll probably drive you frickin insane. Because it'll feel like you're not moving anywhere. But if you stay consistent, persistent and consistent, how do you develop any habits? You have to do it over and over? what I used to do my podcast, one of the things, one of my episodes I was talking about was how, how does the singer a singer, get their song to become number one? on the radio or on your media? Do you think they sing it once? And then never sing it again?Ari Gronich 30:52  Only if they recorded it on YouTube, right? viral? Yeah, let's That's true. That's very true. I actually. Here's the thing. I'm just I'm just using the fact that you're old. And we're talking about records instead of instead of digital downloads.Robert Riopel 31:16  My sister in law did yesterday, when she keeps saying, I, you know, I watch my favorite show on tape. And I'm like, really? Yep. I'm old. Hey, my birthday was only two weeks ago. So come on now.Ari Gronich 31:42  I know. Yours was two weeks ago. Mine was last week. I think that that that this was a perfect timing for a show to highlight our elderly capabilities. Because you know, kids these days think that they are much smarter than us old fogies. So,Robert Riopel 31:59  yeah, yeah, that's right. Well, to finish my story, then Gemini is in other than the viral pneus of it. When a singer sings or song, to get it to number one, they have to sing it again. And again, hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds and hundreds of times. And the ones that don't make it are the ones that start getting bored easily, and trying to change your song. making little adjustments. little tweaks, right? Have you ever been at a concert, and you love a song? And often the singer sings it in a different way at the concert. You're like, I can't.Ari Gronich 32:38  I can't sing to that.Robert Riopel 32:40  Yeah, it's crazy. So it's the same thing with any habit you want to create. If someone wants to become a trainer, they go, Robert, how do I become a trainer? Practice, tenacious practice. You've got to do it over and over and over again. And so creating a new tomorrow is about saying, I choose to be what's one step I can take? See, celebrate it, and then go Okay, what's my next step now? And just be gentle with yourself? Because if you I know will be? Well, no, you This has never happened to for you. So for that I'm referring to you on this. How many of us, if we had a best friend that treated us the way we treat ourselves? They wouldn't be our friend for very long. But yet we take it from ourselves, right? Oh, yeah.Ari Gronich 33:32  I've been I've been trying to rewrite the golden rule because I disagree completely with it. Because we don't want people to treat us the way we treat ourselves. Now, we want we want us to we want people to treat us the way we treat other people. The Golden Rule is has gotten a little shifty for me. But yeah, I mean, you know, we definitely the self talk. That is, in most people's heads is so toxic. And and I like that you're you're saying that because one of the things that I do with with trauma work a lot is mirrors. You know, it's, it's not about affirmations. affirmations to me are like akin to motivation, which is almost nothing, right doesn't doesn't provide what it's supposed to do for very long. But staring in the mirror for 300 hours, crying, screaming, wailing until you find the pieces of you that you love until you strip the masks of inauthenticity from yourself the masks of trauma. And I tell people, everything that you think about yourself is literally just a mask of trauma that you put on or other people have put on you. And our goal is to strip those masks off of trauma so that we can be authentic.Robert Riopel 34:53  Yep. Absolutely. And look, you know, that's, that's when I would do the mirror work. I started off Prepare. By time I removed everything my hair was gone. I couldn't reason that I had to go there. If someone's just listening to this, because, you know, there may be people just doing the audio. They had to know I'm aerodynamic. And ladies and gentlemen, I'm I'm not short. I've been told I'm just more grounded. So I like that as well.Ari Gronich 35:21  It's closer to the earth. Yes. Yes. Just close to the earth. Mister where's the earring? Mr. plane? That's all I want.Robert Riopel 35:33  Yeah, well, it could be this year. But that's in my ear. It just flipped up and goes in is multi purpose today. Because Mr. Clean in the airing of so yesterday. You're talking about age? Come on now. Now it has to have multi purpose. Yes.Ari Gronich 35:51  So we're cleaning ourselves up? Where we're getting, we're getting to be present. Now. What? Right now what? So somebody is looking at their life going? Now what? And by the way, I liked the fact that you brought up some questions and what kinds of questions are not necessarily the best questions like why me? As you were, you're stating a little bit Why me? Why does this happen to me? Why, you know? What are some better questions that people could ask? And you know, and I say that because one of the ones that I ask is what's next? A lot? What's the best next thing for me? What's the next thing I should be doing? What should I do now? Right? Those are the kinds of questions that I asked myself. So what are questions that you have people asking themselves so that they get to that place? So once they're present? Now what?Robert Riopel 36:50  Yeah, you know, you want to hit on one of my favorites, too powerful word. What's next? Your March Pym 2020. I land in back in Canada, from doing a powerful three day training in India. March 11, I get locked out. All my live events around the world are getting trans, canceled. And I'm not gonna say I'm perfect. I'm all that. I went through victim role in the first few days. Like what's up? And I was pissed. And then my I took a deep breath, and I went, what's next? And often the answer started coming. While Robert for years, you've been saying you want to go digital, you and I talked to myself a lot. I do already. I'm gonna admit it. And talking to yourself is never a problem. If maybe when you start arguing with yourself, you know, maybe you've maybe looked at it before GeminiAri Gronich 37:41  is where Gemini is we are a I'm a Gemini and a Jew. And if you know anything about Jewish people, you get 10 Jews in a room, you've got 100 opinions. Now, apply that by Gemini.Robert Riopel 37:56  Right? You know, some people don't know how to take it when I walk into a store that says, because of COVID sign on the door, maximum eight people in the store at a time and I say, Oh, I can't come in because all my personalities aren't allowed to come with me. Some people laugh at that they get it. And other people are just too serious. They're like, What do you mean? I'm like, if I have to explain it, nevermind. And you'll, before I answer the question, I'm going to go back to something else you said about not taking yourself so seriously. Because I like to have so much fun. And I've chosen that to be my way. I remember a person asked me one time they want Robert, I can never follow you or listen to you. Because you don't take anything seriously. And I said not a problem. I said but I will tell you, I take fun seriously. And ultimately looked at me like, Oh, I guess that makes sense. And I didn't know if it would or not. But it so what's next is one of the biggest questions, those two powerful words. But it's also another one. The other phrase is something he did say. But I'm gonna do it in in different way. Instead of going worimi? If Why me? And now turn it into a curiosity of what was the lesson in what just happened? Or what was the lesson and what you went through? Or what was the lesson? Because I am a huge firm believer and I'll tell you in the beginning I was so in the box thinker because the way I was raised anything outside of the box that was airy fairy woowoo Forget about it. Forget about it. Like even my dad today. He's 83 years old. He's about to turn 84 in a couple days, another Gemini. And you you'll sit there and you'll say Dad, what about doing this? No. Well, why not? And as soon as he says no, you're never gonna change his mind because he doesn't open his mind to anything. Right? If this is the way it is. Okay, and I've learned you don't try and change his mind it because the harder you try, the more he'll just dig in deep, right? It's just it is what it is. So, I'm a big believer that everything happens for a reason, which a lot of people have heard that statement. But a lot of people haven't heard the whole statement. They've only ever heard this. Everything happens for a reason. But the whole statement is actually everything happens for a reason. And that reason is there to serve me. And now, if you look at it from that perspective, and I'll use kind of what got me back out of retirement, I don't know if you remember. But in 2008, I was so burnt out from traveling and training so much, I had to take a hiatus, I was burnt out. And because I wasn't taking care of my body, I was giving so much I forgot to take care of me. I herniated my back. And I decided to take one year off. But that one year turned into three and a half years. And I went through two back surgeries during that time. And I had to like I say I was burnt out for about three months. My wife goes, No, you can look at a suitcase or anything for nine months. You just you know it would put you back into that phase. And so when I was in my retirement, I went from over living my passion to not living it at all. And I realized both were bad. Over living it. I wasn't taking care of myself. I was getting burnt out my body was paying the price. Not living in it all the old negative non supportive habits started coming back in because people think and this is a misconception already. They think, well, I've learned this, and it should be permanent now. And I'm going to use Oh, oh, I'm gonna explain it like this because it's Yeah, we're squirreling here. But I'll get back to your questions.Ari Gronich 41:47  I don't I don't mind nonlinear conversation.Robert Riopel 41:50  Oh, perfect. Well, you've you've seen the documentary or have you? Social dilemma. Yes. And it's really a lot of people are going oh, my God, what are they doing? They're tracking everything. They see how long they pause on a video. And now they're sending me all those up? How dare they? And they've all a lot of people what's given attraction, a lot of people have seen it in a negative way. Well, a friend of mine, who's someone you know, as well, and he took a deep dive into it. He said, let's take a look at it this in a different way. Because everything happens for a reason, that reason is there to serve me. And often, he came up with what he calls an algorithm talk. Because what he puts a twist on it, which is brilliant. He said, Well, let me ask like this, are you Do you believe in the law of attraction?Ari Gronich 42:40  I believe the law of action traction. You know, we you we've had discussions, but the law of attraction to me is the movie, The Secret all that stuff. It's a great beginning, it didn't finish. And it's it left people wanting, which is where, you know, I I take offense to it. But I do like is the science of getting rich, the book, The Science of Getting Rich, which is where all that la comes from, originally back in 1908, or something like that. And I like that it's a little more Matter of fact,Robert Riopel 43:16  but it's all the same. You're right. The actions missing, that's what people they think all just thinking, no, they've got to take action, which is absolutely true. I'm going to suggest you check out the movie, beyond the secret is a follow up. It just came out about a year and a half ago. And it brings back a lot of the secret guests where they were able to go deeper and like yeah, the secret and collaborative. But let's go beyond the secret. And you know, dive in deeper. So you might want to check that out. But what he noticed is he said, if you realize it, this social dilemma, actually just unveiled the truth of the greatest law of attraction working in our favor. Because people look at any social media you're doing. So attacking everything you do. And you're looking at your feed go, why am I getting all this? Because that's what you've been focusing on. So if you don't like what's popping up, then change your focus. If you notice that something instead of slowing down and reading it and think of how bipolar people become over COVID, right, so someone sees an article that someone has a different point of view, and they get on there and they give their point of view and this you're wrong because of this. And also now they're getting flooded with all these contradictory to their beliefs, and they're getting more upset. Well, what about just going scrolling by that you want and when you see something you like, flow, your scroll, that's my new hashtag, flow your scroll. And actually, because if they're tracking how long they're tracking how long you're looking at something, then flow your scroll to something you like, and give it a heart instead of just like and watch out instantly. Because this is a powerful thing. And I've done it, he's done it. We've done it with 1000s of students. Now you can instantly change your seen on social media by really consciously choosing what you want to look at. And people go, that's awesome. But here's what they don't realize. That's the easy part. The hard part is the maintenance of it. Right? And that's where I've now started to really change my focus on things is because yeah, when I do breakthroughs with people, they get that instant change. That's that motivation you were talking about. But then ultimately going into back into their environment. And they wonder why they slide back. And that's where having mentors and being part of mastermind groups, having coaches, it's the maintenance that makes the difference. And so, when I was in my hiatus, I had said, I'm taking one year off. That's the message I put out to the universe. And then also one year turned into a year and a half. And the universe started sending me universe, God, whatever you want go by 13 messages. Robert, you said you're only taking a year off. You're not training yet. And you know, what happens if you don't listen to a message that comes your way from the universe? smack? Yeah, it sends it to you again, within a harder way. And if you don't listen, get well here. It is August 10 2010. I'm now two years into my hiatus of the one year I said it's gonna take off. And I my in laws happen at the time where I lived, they lived across the street and seven doors up. And my mother in law's phone and said, Look, we're having problems with the TV. Would you mind coming up and help me out? I'm like, absolutely not a problem. I walk out is a gorgeous, one of the few gorgeous sunny days we get an Alberta across from our house with a big playground boat. 30 kids in it. I go up, I help her. Get the TV going. I'm walking back down the sidewalk. I'm about to cross the street to my driveway. When a couple comes walking with a big bowl massive dog from the pathway beside her house. And I love animals. So they said in front of my driveway, I'm on the sidewalk and I said down issue friendly. And they said No, she's not. We just rescued her. We're rehabilitating rehabilitating her right now. That's okay, not a problem. So they stayed there. I stayed where I was. We talked for a while. And then eventually I knelt down, and they fully brought her to me and let her smell my hand, petted her head, petted her neck, there was no issue. Until the moment I went to stand up. And the moment I went to stand up, she wanted it my throat. Now, thank goodness, in the standing motion, my chin naturally dropped. From standing in my throat. She got my chin, and she latched on so hard, she started trying to pull me to the ground. I'm instantly in shock. And the only thought in my head isif she gets me to the ground, I'm dead. So I stood up in this dog now hanging off my chin, 150 pounds, trying to pull me to the ground, the guy physically had to grab her Jaws, pry them open. And now there's blood all over the place. And it's taken both him and his wife to hold her back with the leash. Because she's trying to get back at me. Now, the only part that entered my mind is there's 30 Kids behind me in that playground. And I'm holding my chin and a blood and I'm like, Look, I live right there. Just get her out of here. Get her away from these kids. They start dragging her up the street, and I start walking on my driveway, blood all over the place. I'm getting up to my front door, and I'm about to open the door. Now the only problem I had already. If I get out of the house is gonna kill me. Insane what goes through your head when you're ready. And I open the door. And I think I did. You'll call me I'm like Roxanne Well, obviously, it wasn't gone. Because she comes running, she sees a blood you'd like what happened. I'm like a dog attack me. And so she gets a towel gets it up to my gym to stop the bleeding. And now I'm safe. So my fight or flight, I'm now I'm safe. I'm okay. And I started to get lightheaded. I'm about to pass out. And my wife knows if I draw, there's no way she's getting me to that vehicle, get me to the hospital. So she looked at me and she goes into and you'll you understand this because we've done the course. She goes into warrior mode. And she looked at me She goes, don't you think just to that car. She drives me to the hospital, five hours in emergency to get seen. And the guy comes in and he's cleaning up. And they don't like to close up dog bites, because they want any bacteria to be able to flush out. So under my gold tea. There are three puncture wounds from the dog, but right here on my chin it and rip through. And so he had to actually clean it up, cut some of the skin and took nine stitches to close that up. Now look, I went into victim mode and I'm like, why did this happen to me? And when I calm down, I switched the question to Why did this happen to me and I'll finish it Curiosity was activated from that space of, you know, okay, it happened for a reason that really served me for why. And all sudden, what came to my mind is some, you know, product life directions, that universal principle, that which is not utilized is eliminated, my gift had one inch further, the dog would have got my jugular. And me and my gift would have been gone just like that. And I realized, wow, I'm not living my gift. And it could be taken that quickly. And in that moment, I made the decision, I had to train again. I didn't have to train because financially, I hadn't had to do anything for years. But I had to train because it was my gift to the world, if that makes sense. And I'm looking at the universe going, I don't need any more lessons. I got it. I got it. And within two weeks of me making that decision, me owning it. Within two weeks, I got a call asking if I'd come out of retirement. And it was an easy, yes.Ari Gronich 51:00  Yes, I will give me six weeks got agenda got to clear up.Robert Riopel 51:05  And actually, it took a year and a half, because of I was going through the rehabilitation of two back surgeries. And because one of the decisions was if I'm going to do this again, I will not put my body through that again. Right, I will take care of my body. And so and that's what I decided that instead of doing 4050, full on training here, I would do maximum 20. So that even with traveling all over the world, I get six months a year to be at home. Because I like my time off. Yeah, software, I learned more about balance.Ari Gronich 51:33  So I'm going to interrupt you a second. So what I'm hearing is the difference between a goal and an agreement, or a commitment. Right? So a lot of people put I'm going to speak in a year as a goal, right. But then there's, it's like, what happens on the in between? Yeah, versus an agreement, whereas I'm going to be ready to speak in a year by doing these things up till then. So that by that year, I'm on stage having spoken. That's exactly it. So it sounds like you made an agreement with yourself. You didn't keep it. So the universe said. And you said Oh shit, I got it now. I'm gonna keep greementRobert Riopel 52:29  Yep. And that's it. Because we're, it's so easy to give up on our agreements, we'll we'll stay true to an agreement with another person a lot longer than we will to ourselves. And so it's a matter of saying, My commitment to me is important. My commitment to my belief, and my goals and my dreams. You know, one of the things I teach people is what I call the authority master key. And I love acronyms. So I use the acronym vital. And the the L in vital stands for loyalty. And I talked about and I'll tie it into whatever group I'm talking about why to be loyal to this, this myth. But then I stop. And I say and the most important thing to be loyal to is your own dreams. Plain and simple. And I dropped the mic at that point. I do the dramatic effect every once in a while you know that? Oh,Ari Gronich 53:23  you've got to? I mean, I remember the tea drinking. Yep. It wasn't drinking tea. It was. I'm drinking tea. Now. Do you see me drinking tea? This is what you should be doing on your stage.Robert Riopel 53:38  Drinking. Yeah, and watching people be bewildered like, What is he doing? What does that all mean? Until then, when you explain it open up the light bulb and go get it right. Exactly.Ari Gronich 53:53  Yeah. Wow. So we've gone through questioning and questions that that matter. And one of the things I want to just clarify within your questioning, you're asking questions out of curiosity, versus asking questions out of, and I'm going to just fill in my blank, which is out of judgment out of already thinking you know the answer. So when you ask a question like Why me? You already think you know the answer. I'm bad this way. I haven't done this right. I am I you know, when I was two, I you know, my parents had to spank my butt because I wasn't listening. And when I was 10, it was this. And so I'm just and it validates an already preconceived question, right, or answer that we have. It's kind of like a police officer interrogating somebody in a in an interrogation thinking that they already know that you're guilty. So all they're trying to lead you is to the answer that they want, right? Yep. Versus Yes. And asking questions that will need to open ended solutions or answers? Right? Like what's andRobert Riopel 55:05  that's the that's the part I said about courageously allowing life to live, you versus you living life, right? And that's what gets you out of victim role. Because if you're asking the question from the victim space, you're going to validate that you're a victim, you're going to validate that everything bad happens to you, and that you're the one on the receiving end and isn't bullshit. And no wonder I don't do as good as I could. And no wonder my life is crap. Or you can sit there and say, okay, I've let that go. Now, what's the lesson that I can use to empower myself?Ari Gronich 55:37  Yeah, and and for me, like, just, for example, I'm doing a lot of trauma work right now, you would have ever gotten as empathetic and as able to handle the depths of other people's pain? Had I not experienced those depths of pain myself, and come out of them? and learned those things? So I absolutely I used to have that. Why me? Why me? victim victim victim? And I still, you know, it's we all do? A little bit, right? It's Yeah, who's across that way? The differences is that I own the victim, like, Yeah, I was a victim of that guy who did that thing. And it's not a bad thing to be the victim of something like somebody gets raped, you're the victim of rape. And it's okay to say that, and what are you going to do now? So for me, it's what's next? It's what what did I do with that I took that nobody should ever have to live in that kind of emotional turmoil in their bodies, like I did, for my entire, you know, childhood growing up. So I'm going to help people clear that up, I'm going to help, right, because the minute that, that blocked that stopping them from living, soRobert Riopel 57:03  and that's what allows you to connect with people I can never connect with. Because if I tried to say, Oh, I understand, and I'm coming from a place of Unknowing. And you know, I'm gonna reconnect you with Aaron, because I think he would be a phenomenal guest for your podcasts, to go down a deep rabbit hole on this, because he talks about let your pain be your path. Let your wounds be your way, let your you know what you've gone through be the resume of why you can actually help other people. And and when you understand that, okay, I went through this. Now, who can I help, maybe not have the pain I did, maybe get through it a little quicker, maybe decide not to try that suicide, maybe decide that they are important enough to be on this planet that this planet needs them. And I'm going to say like that this planet needs them. So to have that understanding, if we didn't have those experiences, you would not be connected with the people so deeply in the way you do. And that's one of the things I so appreciate about the fact that you do own, that this has been my journey. Now what and the people that and it comes back to something you and I are talking to me, they've even been off the recording. But you may even you probably don't even have any idea of the people you've actually impacted because of the people you've worked with, who have gone back into their life in a different way. And also the people in their life are going, Wow, something's different about them. So often it changes their perspective of life, which there may be changes someone else's perspective life. And so you could have four or five, six degrees of separation of people that you impacted, because of helping one person see that you know what, I create a new tomorrow, the way I want to, and if I live my life in a different light. And we don't have to know who we're helping, right. That's what makes it even better.Ari Gronich 59:02  Just like my story today of you that you didn't know about, right? That impacted me. I had a similar occurrence. I gave somebody a hug at a party once I was 24. It was a guy. He was a psychologist from New York. So very, not in their emotions, right, very mental kind of person. And about eight years later, he I was at a Tantra party with him and hadn't seen him in many years. And he said he pulled me aside he said I just want to tell you how you impacted me. He said you gave me a hug once at a party. And you held on like you meant it was like and that's just me. I was That was my personality. I'm a cobbler. And he said my family are are not huggers. In fact, before you did that it had been over 10 years since I had even had a hug from my brother. Wow. And when I went back to New York, after that I was I was talking to him while we were on the street. And I just felt compelled to hug him. And I hugged him and I held on. And it was the first time that we had a hug, probably ever in our lives, like fully hugged. And I'm going, Okay, he said, My entire family has now become a hugging family. Love each other, and we treat each other. Like we mean, it came from you. And I'm like, I mean, how could you have any idea of that?Robert Riopel 1:00:53  And how could you plan for it? How can you plan that this is the impact you're gonna have today? That partUnknown Speaker 1:01:00  is just I mean,Ari Gronich 1:01:04  we never know what the impact is. And especially my favorite thing, the butterfly effect, you know, what are the ripples ripple effect, the butterfly effect of any action that we do, whether it's a good consequence or a bad consequence, there's a ripple effect to every action. And every actor typically has polarity in the consequences in the things that happen, right? So if you if you get off off coal, for instance, right, you have a net effects of positivity for the environment, for instance, however, there's going to be an effective all these people who have their livelihoods for the last couple 100 years that they won't have. So if you know that there's a ripple effect, you can plan for it. And then you could say, Okay, so what are those ripple effects? 1020 years down the line, 100 years down the line, and all of a sudden, the plan becomes so detailed in the minutiae that you can really actually create the change, knowing that you're going to have an effect here and we're going to compensate there. We're going to have effect here. We're going to come You know, it's,Robert Riopel 1:02:14  it's beautiful. You have you affect change. Right infecting change.Ari Gronich 1:02:22  You know, you and the Coronavirus and your infections. Well, you know, I did have a good Corona last night and around the fire. So I like my Corona. Brown, right. It's the crown. jewel. Well, that's what Corona is correct. Corona is, right. So they made it the king, they put all these spike proteins to give it a crown. And then they named it after that. And they said, hey, you're the king of all pandemics? I mean, pandemics? Yeah, without my Okay, boy. Yeah. That was a slip of the tongue. A Freudian slip. But anyway. So I think people are getting that, that there's so many ways to be when you're creating a new tomorrow, but the actions of questioning with curiosity, the need to balance for overwhelm, right? There's all these different places that people go, what I find is like, most people, they walk around the house all day or the office all day, not knowing what to do next. Right? Yep. You see people in like, I just don't know what to do. And so I'm not doing anything because I don't know what to do. It's like they're paralyzed in this confusion, space. So go, but I'm so busy. I don't have time for anything. Right. But the busy is usually up here, not the external busy. It's that, like, I know this for me. I get so stuck in the head. And I get so busy in my thoughts, planning new things, thinking of new things, flushing out my ideas that I go, I am so busy. And I haven't done anything the old day. Right? ButRobert Riopel 1:04:15  yet you're drained. Mental drain just really? And then you're like, how am I going to keep this up? Is it worth it? Because, look, I haven't even really accomplished anything and yet I'm so tired. That becomes that catch 22Ari Gronich 1:04:30  right. So what is, you know, the business tricks? You've been a business trainer, we're not talking a whole lot about business. What's the business trick for life? For when somebody gets to a place where the mental overwhelm the language in the head, the words the voices, the stories, the wants, the needs that I don't have all that stuff? gets crashed in somebody's mind. How How would you quiet The quiet this morning, you know, we did this thing called wizard once. And so I'm kind of bringing you into a wizardly way of of being here so that the audience can get more into that position. Well, I'm not going to tell it what, what, what the position is that you want to be in, because that would be wrong.Robert Riopel 1:05:22  Here's the thing for me, because everybody's so different. Everybody's unique, everybody's themselves. So it's understanding yourself, first of all, to me is the number one understanding. I know I am a world class procrastinator. And I have no problem admitting that because if I tried to deny it, it just can keep creeping up and sabotaging is gonna keep and everything will become the 11th hour. And I got I gotta get it done. I gotta get, right. And so I I'm, I'll acknowledge and I'll say, yeah, that's who I am. I No, I am. And I'm okay with that. So one of the tricks I use, is knowing I'm a world class class procrastinator, I came up with a quote that I use as a mantra. I designed my day, in such a way that procrastination cannot play. And so that means is I purposely will book a lot of my calls and meetings for first thing in the morning. Why? Because as soon as I commit to someone else, then I'm gonna get my ass out of bed and get it done. But if I don't have a call till then 1130, then it's easy to go home. There's a few folks, I did so much yesterday. I'm tired. I'm just gonna. And I'm going to reset my alarm. Now, on the other side of that, because then while Robert doesn't that just make you busier and busier, busier, because you're always up early. And, and I'm a late night person anyway, do right. So I don't get a lot of sleep. But then one of the adjustments I've recently made. Okay, when Corona happened, I got busy. But I got so busy. I can with time zones around the world for students, I've talked to all over the world. It can be 6am to 1am. I was going, going, going going getting burnt out. Because when I put my mom's home, I just I don't take care of myself. Yeah, anybody? Do you know anybody like that aren't just curious,Ari Gronich 1:07:14  watching a few trillion people like that?Robert Riopel 1:07:17  Yep. And so my wife instituted one thing. She said, here's what we're gonna do. At noon, we sit down, we have lunch, we put our phones down. And we play cards and connect. At dinner, we put our phones down, we have dinner, we watch TV, and we just relax. instituting those two simple little things often changed my whole day, where I wasn't feeling overwhelmed, wasn't feeling burnt out. Because now on my calendar, because I'm not used to living by a calendar per se. But everything gets scheduled now. So that I know if there's a meeting and by going back to something we taught in one of the programs you learn is we use a big rock system. The first thing we put on our calendars are those balance pieces. family's important. So I'm here with family right now. Now, can I still do work in that? Yes, because with technology, I can do it. So but the family is scheduled in first. And then when I now look at my schedule, I plan other things in so I can do interviews, I can do things guilt free, without beating myself up, thinking I'm taking my time away. Because I know the moment I'm done this call, I've got time back with family, I'm gonna actually drive back to my home about an hour and a half, take care of our animals, and drive back up here. And tonight, we'll be sitting around a fire talking about you know, how important our family is to us. Think of the memories and just reliving stories. And I don't cuz I don't have anything else booked for the rest of the day. That's it. And then take one more step further. As is even it was so easy to go. Come to me, I haven't had weekends in years. Becau

Hi, I am here with kris gieske, he is a Strength and Conditioning Specialist here in Colorado Springs. he has dedicated his life to learning neuromechanics and biomechanics which give him the tools to help you reach the pinnacle of your performance. Working with the nervous system he can get results instantly and he loves seeing the changes that happen with my clients from decreased pain to increased athleticism and strength. here is a glimpse of the episode hope you enjoy. Hear it live on Monday at 6 Am for the full episode in your favorite podcast app.  Kris Gieske 0:00 And I met a friend and mentor of mine named Dr. Grove Higgins and he started just doing some ankle mobility work with me. And when I didn't have very much mobility in my back at the time, I could only bend you know, just a few inches before I just had excruciating lower back pain. And after just doing a few like ankle drills, mobility drills, I was almost touching the floor. And for me, because I was like, there's no way that something so st*pid could have worked so well, you know. And so over time, I started going there and I got myself better, and I started feeling really good.

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Hi, I am here with Kelly haugh, she is a Certified Health & Wellness Coach, Nutritional Psychology Practitioner, Gut Health Expert, and she helps people to weigh them down! Whether that is chronic stress & overwhelm, anxiety, the blues, or inflammation and pain. She will help you break through the barriers that are keeping you stuck and build in new habits to re-wire your -stuck- brain for lasting change. here is a glimpse of the episode hope you enjoy it. here is the Highlights of the episode hope you enjoy. Listen to the full episode in your favorite podcast app.  Ari Gronich 0:07 Welcome to a special live edition of creative new tomorrow. I am your host Ari Gronich. And I have with me this amazing writer and nutritionist Kelly haugh. Kelly, why don't you tell the crowd the audience a little bit about yourself? Hi, I'm Kelly. And I'm a certified health and wellness coach. And I really specialize in helping people with stress and anxiety, gut health issues and how they're all connected. Going back a little ways how what kind of sealed the deal for me was really my daughter who has autism. My daughter is she just turned 14. And so it's basically been a 12 and a half 13 year Trek. With her with finding out she had leaky gut dysbiosis a lot of gut issues going on, that were affecting her behaviorally, as well, as you know, she just didn't feel very good. So how did you find out that there was a connection between her emotions and how she was feeling and acting, and gut health? Kelly Haugh 1:17 So when we when we first learned that she had the gut health issues going on, along with her autism, you know, autism was new to us at the time, we didn't we weren't familiar. But we found out kind of quickly, then that really, most kids with autism have a lot of gut issues. And whether it's the chicken in the egg, you never know. But so we really researched and thought out what could we do for her to help improve her health and her behavior? More, you know, than just, she, she's kind of stuck with this. Ari Gronich 1:57 So what were the benefits that you guys have seen based on changing diets and plans with her. Kelly Haugh 2:05 So I'm definitely behavior she will be, you know, in a much better mood, as well as she sleeps better. And also, she has a seizure disorder. And when we did like a modified keto diet for her and added in some supplements that were really good for gut health, once her got was more in order of those seizures really started going down, which was great, because they're terrifying. Ari Gronich 2:31 Yeah, I can imagine. I can imagine. What about this standard American diet? I mean, think about it, you're if you're talking to people who are eating that standard American diet on a regular basis, they probably don't really know what exactly about that plan. And about that system is so broken, so why don't you enlighten the audience about what about that system is really broken? Kelly Haugh 2:58 Right. Okay. So I would say the first thing would be like chemicals, chemical added preservatives, additives, food coloring, food dyes. neurotoxins really basically for for people. And so when we're talking that it's, you know, you're talking, you know, Doritos, the nacho cheese Doritos, and you know, pop and all those things and, and, you know, really, in my opinion, diet pop is even worse than regular pop. If you really want some pop out a little bit of regular instead of adding an even more chemicals and additives. Ari Gronich 3:34 Yeah, I would even go further and say find the soda if you're going to have soda. That is either got cane sugar, yeah. And it's or, you know, or monkfruit. There are some some keto sodas, I guess that are coming to the market, right, that have no sugar, but they're not artificial sweeteners either. Kelly Haugh 4:00 Yeah, even stevia, stevia soda, you know, no, we want to steer away from all that. But if it's somebody who you know, they drink a six pack of coke a day, you're going to be hard pressed to tell them, you have to stop having that completely, you're gonna have to kind of back them off and like you say, then you can replace it a little bit with some of these other things. Ari Gronich 4:20 So talking about the fact that there are no essential carbs. Because I think two people think especially based on the food pyramid that they've been indoctrinated one, yeah, that carbs are the most important thing in your diet. Right. So the fact that there's no such thing as an essential carb might be an interesting fact for some people. Kelly Haugh 4:44 Sure. Right. Because if you think of is that standard pyramid that we've seen for ages, right, really, that thing should be tipped upside down, you know, basically, yeah, carbs in the form of leafy vegetables and you know, Sweet potatoes and things like that those are fine and dandy. But yeah, lots of the white, all the white stuff, the refined carbs, you know, full of gluten, and then just turn straight to sugar in your body. Ari Gronich 5:12 Right? So I've talked a lot about gluten. And the fact that gluten itself is a poison, and you may not be gluten intolerant to the level that some people are, but everybody is in, you know, against an inflammatory response. Absolutely gluten. So why don't we talk a little bit about gluten and what they do grains and what they do and why the fallacy is there that grains are so important, and so on. Kelly Haugh 5:42 Right? So I love that, um, I did actually talk about that a little bit in my book about gluten. And, you know, it makes some people sad to even hear that, but it's really not good for anybody, right? I mean, you know, yeah, some people are way more tolerant of it. But as it builds up in your system, it's really not good for you. It's not good for anybody. And especially because anymore, you know, most any wheat, therefore, gluten, you're going to get a hold of is going to be GMO. So you're going to have the glass of fate in there full of pesticides, you know, very bad for your whole digestive tract. Ari Gronich 6:21 Right. So most people don't really understand what gli sulfate is, or what roundup does to, to food and what it means. What genetically modified means really, they don't understand, necessarily, the whole nature of what genetically modified is, and what the difference between hybridization and genetically modified. So can you talk a little bit about that? Kelly Haugh 6:45 Sure. Um, so yeah, and the GMO in the seeds themselves, they genetically modify those actual seeds. And so even though they may not have already sprayed something on it, as it's grown, they haven't come back by and sprayed, it's already in there, you are not getting rid of that. It's a part of the plant. And so no amount of rinsing it is going to get rid of it. Right. So here's my problem with with grains. And this, this is a general issue with with grains, is that let's, let's say, take the scenario that we're taking a mineral supplement and trying to get the minerals right in our bodies, right? And then we eat whole grain bread, because it's marketed as, as healthy or healthier alternative. Right? Right. So those grains absorb minerals, right? And then pass them through you to where you don't get to absorb the minerals, because they're very spongy. If you look at you know, look at a piece of bread, look at a piece of, you know, Crumb Cake, any of those kinds of things. They're kind of spongy cakes, breads, pastas, spongy, spongy, absorbs it's absorbent. Right? Right, we can, we can all kind of get with that. And so if you're taking a mineral supplement, while you're also eating breads, and glutens, and carbs, and grains, you're literally flushing down all of the money that you're putting into those mineral supplements. You're flushing that down the toilet. Right? Right. Yeah. So this is just one of the reasons why, you know, if you're, if you have mineral deficiencies of any kind, like iron, and you're anemic, if you have insulin issues, if you have, you know, those are all because of mineral deficiencies, right. And so, eating the bread doesn't necessarily equal a good, healthy, right response to the other things that you might be doing. It actually might harm that response, even if you're not getting a massive inflammatory response to where you recognize it. Correct. Yeah. I agree. And, and especially to with the, if you're saying somebody who has a blood sugar issue or an insulin issue, they really, they shouldn't be eating bread Anyway, you know, that? That's not that's very counterproductive. Right. So, you know, on many levels, yeah. Ari Gronich 9:31 Right. So, you know, give it give a few recommendations on what it is that you'd like to see happen within the systems like, if you're talking to a government employee right now, which I love talking to government employees that have control over whether they're about to be able to put more chemicals in our environment. Our last slide? Yeah, right. So I love talking to the government officials. But let's say we're talking to some government officials right now. We're giving them some solutions to the ills of bad health and the systems of agriculture that we're going through currently. Right? What are some solutions that you would suggest? Kelly Haugh 10:16 why that's a big one, isn't it? Absolutely. I know. What I don't know is if they're if they're going to listen in it, it does depend on right. Who is it? What What is their lobby toward? What's their propensity? But what what do I think could be done? I mean, definitely don't let anything else get added. That is bad for us. Absolutely. And I don't know, because it is such a deep pocket issue, if you're going to get that reversed on the whole GMOs and the whole seeds and everything like that. That's tough. But maybe they could be touting organic foods, maybe they could, you know, be that could even be part of, if not part of the new food pyramid, even if it could just be they could, at least as a public service message, talk about chemicals in the food and you know, eating organic or things like that. That wouldn't be that hard for them to do. But I don't know that they have a slant to do that. Ari Gronich 11:21 Right. So I'm an idealist. So I believe that anything is possible. Sure. As long as enough people force it to become possible. Right, right. Yeah. And so the things that I'm looking at being possible, for instance, let's say, is hydroponic gardens. Oh, yeah. local communities? Absolutely. Because you can control what is put in, you don't need the pesticides, right? Because it's a controlled environment. You can grow it year round. You put it into farmer's markets, you put it into high schools, you put it into elementary schools, and now all of a sudden you have free labor because you're teaching the kids how to grow food. Right? Right. So this is just one of many possible solutions. If you're in a big city, there are now skyscraper gardens. Kelly Haugh 12:13 Oh, yeah. Which is really Ari Gronich 12:15 exciting that feat that can feed an entire city, what it means because you can create, you know, different levels with different kinds of foods. So you have a lot of variety. And it's all Hydro and aeroponic. This is a solution to big cities. My favorite one I think my favorite one is in parks public parks. There's land Right, right. Yeah. So every other tree instead of being an oak tree, or a pine tree, which really doesn't do a lot for our health, right. We're for a food supply. Apple Tree, orange tree face, you know, different trees inside a park. That's your real fast food now. Oh, yeah. Right. Yeah, you can pick the fruit off the tree. You know, if you're homeless, you have plenty of food to eat. Yeah. Right. could help doesn't solve a problem doesn't solve the homeless issue. But now, it at least gives them some food, they would have some food. Yeah, right. Right. You can, I was thinking like, I wanted to create a mass movement of people throwing berry seeds all over the freeways. You know, so the sides of the freeways are covered in fruit. I'm gonna we're gonna end this episode, because I think it's been a really great episode so far. Thank you, I'd like to end it on a good note. So give the audience three things that they are that's actionable, doable, easily available, ready for them that they can do right now. So that they can create a new tomorrow today for their own health and vitality. Kelly Haugh 13:54 Okay, so number one I go with if you're not taking a good pre and probiotics do that. It can either be in the pill form a good one, or some you can go out and get you a bag of sauerkraut if you don't want to make any kombucha, kimchi, any of those. So in any relevant that to get your good gut bacteria going better. Number two would be that cutting off or down on the sugar, refined carbs because that's going to help number one, those feed the bad gut bacteria. So you're feeding having a big feeding frenzy in there, and they squelching down the good. So those kind of go together but they're different. So cutting out that sugar and refined carbs, really important. And the other thing is, it's hard to narrow it to three, but stress is a huge cause of massive amounts of illness for people. So that chronic stress piece, do something to lessen your stress, okay, so whether that's you're going to meditate Even five minutes, you're going to just put on music you love and listen to it. You're going to you're feeling you know, totally stressed out, you're going to look in your environment, you're going to look around to see something pretty see something enjoyable. What do you what do you feel? Can you feel something that can distract you and calm you down? You know, you want to use the senses and engage the senses to get calm down a little bit. So those are a few just, you know, easy things people can do to add in, that will actually make a big difference. Ari Gronich 15:30 Awesome. Thank you so much for being here, Kelly. And you have a new book, Kelly Haugh 15:36 I do. I have any book out, I'm super excited about it.Mind, your gut, Ari Gronich 15:43 your gut. See if we can get this to pixelate properly, Kelly Haugh 15:48 many connotations to it minding your gut. Ari Gronich 15:52 Yes, it was given a little bit about what this book is about, and what they'll what people will get from from reading it. And then how they can go about finding it and finding you if they want to learn more. Kelly Haugh 16:04 Okay, cool. Thank you very much. Um, so you know, it's minding your gut powering up your immune system, your stress, resilience, and your mental wellness through your gut brain. So that whole gut brain piece, which is very important, I talk about the problem with chronic stress, anxiety, depression, I talk a little bit about science in the book. So people know, like, what is it all about? And why should I care. But then I make it very relatable with some stories. And so it has some great actionable tips as well, that people can use for distressing. So, yeah, they could go to mindyourgutbook.com. To find the book itself, you can order on there if you want to. And you can definitely read just a little bit more about the book and the journey and how it came came to be, or it is also available on Amazon now. Ari Gronich 17:02 Awesome. Anywhere else that if they want to get a hold of you they can find on social media. Kelly Haugh 17:07 So my website is manifestnaturalwellness.com. And I do have a Facebook group too, which is a it's on the back of this. It is stress busters, Inc. and then get a hold of me that by Awesome. Ari Gronich 17:27 Thank you so much for being here. And this has been another episode of creating a new tomorrow. We are here to create a new tomorrow today give you actionable steps to do that. Go check out my blog as well anewtomorrow.com or createanewtomorrow.com. Or you could go to Amazon and find it there. It'll give you actionable steps on how you can live your most passionate life today. So thank you so much for being here. Kelly, I really appreciate it. And good to seeing you. You know, in your book, get more publicity, get out there more. And that way, we can create much more of an impact on the world. Right away. Yeah, want to change the world change the world. And again, to the governors, the senators, the politicians that are hiding behind their lobbyists. We're coming for you. Do the right thing. make the world a healthier place today.

Hi, I am here with Joshua Spodek, He is a three-time TEDx speaker, #1 bestselling author of Initiative and Leadership Step by Step, host of the award-winning This Sustainable Life podcast, and professor at NYU. He holds a PhD in astrophysics and an MBA from Columbia, where he studied under a Nobel Laureate and helped launch a satellite (having emerged from some of Philadelphia's most dangerous neighborhoods). He left academia to found a venture to market an invention that showed animated images to subway riders between stations.Ari Gronich 0:07  Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host Ari Gronich and I have with me Josh spodek. Now, this is a guy I thought I had a pre interview with him, I was really excited to talk to him. He's a three time TEDx speaker, this guy has, he's a best selling author of this book initiative and leadership, step by step, the sustainable life podcast is award winning with that. Professor at NYU, you've even you know, taught leadership at West Point with the director of US Secretary of Defense, right?Joshua Spodek 0:47  Yes, he's since become the secretary defense. Is that because of working with me, I can't say for sure. Well,Ari Gronich 0:52  well, we'll get into that, we'll get into that. So tell us a little bit about your background and why leadership was such an important role. And the reason I want to preface this for the audience, the reason I'm so excited is because I am really looking at the deep dive into leadership and what makes people leaders, what makes people followers, and so on. So I'm really excited to have Josh here.Joshua Spodek 1:16  Well, glad to be here. And I'll start with a very brief part about beforehand. If you want to know more, let me know. Because growing up, I was pretty nerdy, pretty geeky, I got a PhD in physics, I helped build a satellite that's orbiting the Earth right now. And for a while I really thought physics, I want to be a physicist. And then I ended up leaving, after got my PhD to start my first company, and was very successful that was successful, then can the recession and it's difficult times, I got squeezed out by the investors, very painful experience. Could not by that point, I severed my ties with academia. So I couldn't really go back. I ended up going to business school. And that's where I found classes and leadership. Awesome. So weAri Gronich 2:01  talked about this a little bit. And in my, in my witnessing of the world, right, I feel like Kennedy was probably, at least as a president, the last great leader of our country. And the thing that I think made him a leader is not only did he bring people along with his vision, but he gave mandates he gave direction to those visions, he said, we're going to go to the moon by the end of the decade, go do that. And then all of a sudden, people started flocking to create what he kind of mandated, we should do. So where do you think that that's lacking in the leadership? And how does your you know your vision of leadership, address those kinds of things, so that we can move forward faster versus wait for another great leader to show up?Joshua Spodek 2:54  Okay, so I'm gonna take the last that you said there, what can we what can we do ourselves instead of just waiting for the next great leaders show up? Is it learning social and emotional skills, performance skills, is different than learning things about factual recall things that you can take verbal tests for write papers about, you can write papers about leadership, but the actual practice of it, you have to face you have to understand yourself, you have to learn empathy, compassion, listening, as well as confidence. And these are not things you can read your way into, or write your way into. SoAri Gronich 3:33  just to go on in my background, right? Every time I've ever had a position of leadership, it was in a style of master apprentice, right. So I had somebody who was teaching me how to be a leader. And then as a leader, I would be teaching somebody how to be what I'm doing, right. So I always had a master apprentice kind of relationship in that way. And it was very experiential. And I just want to kind of come back to what you just said, about doing the practice of, and knowing your traumas, or knowing your history, because I've always told people that what I'm doing trauma, work with them if you want to get on a camera, but you're afraid of what people will think of you. The only way to do that is to get on that camera with people who are safe. And so if you keep rebuilding the same, or if you rebuild the somatic trauma with new somatic experiences, you'll be able to then reprogram that neuro pathway. And as you do that, you get more and more comfortable being on stage, for instance, that kind of what you're saying with regards to leadership.Joshua Spodek 4:50  Yeah, I mean, you said building neural pathways. It's the I would just simply say learning. It's to learn to do things. It is effective. Forming neural pathways you're learning. And you have to, you have to practice these things. I mean, if you simply read about leadership, you will learn how to read about leadership. That's different than it's like learning, reading about playing piano. It teaches you how to read how to play piano, but only fingers on the keyboard to it, that's the same thing that's going to certain neural pathways.Ari Gronich 5:24  Right. So tell me about about that westpoint gig. You know, you're you're working with professors who are also Captain through colonels, you know, typically, you're working with the student population who's looking to become the next leader, and officer. And I'll tell you the truth, when I when I spent four years of my life and Air Force Junior ROTC, which, you know, doesn't sound like a lot, but it was, it was an interesting experience, because my experience of the leadership was really all about ego. If somebody had joined two weeks before me and didn't know half of what I knew their word still got accepted as fact, versus what is the truth or optimization. And so, within military, I always find that there's so much what's the word overage of, of duties, like, somebody who's knows his business is being told to do his business and then has to do it twice or three times? Right. And so that leadership doesn't really translate to, to trust in the person that you have hired. Whereas in business, we're starting to learn that you've got to like, not micromanage. And so within regards to West Point, and what you're doing with the military there, how does that micromanage versus leadership, and, and breaking the ego of leadership so that it's really more of a service position versus a I am a leader? position?Joshua Spodek 7:07  Well, just a lot there. I don't know if I can cover all of that. And you distinguish between micromanagement and leadership, that what I heard, I would make the distinction between authority and leadership. And, and so your experience in the military is much greater than mine. And by the way, I appreciate your service. And it was, it was just Memorial Day. And it's, I have a deep appreciation for the and a greater appreciation for the freedom that I have as a result of having spent time with the military, very limited time. But my understanding is that there's a chain of command. And if you're given a direct order, you gotta follow a lawful direct order. But that's the last thing you want to rely on. You can rely on authority if you have to, and what is authority, if not, the ability to hurt someone, if they don't do what you tell them to do? Well, that's almost an invitation for them to undermine that authority if they can, because I don't want you to hurt me, if I don't do what you tell me to do. But if you can find out why I, if you can find something, a motivation inside me that you can connect with the task, then I'll want to do it for my intrinsic motivation. That's what I really work on. That's not very well taught in school. And, and yet, it's not that hard to teach.Ari Gronich 8:24  watching out for the manipulation. Right. So I want to just kind of break that part of, you know, we're talking about motivation can be used for good or bad, right? So once you get a hold of their motivation, right, so how does somebody tell if somebody who's leading them is gathering their motivations for the benefit or the not benefit? So motivations that could be like, well, I want you to take this poison, because it'll be good for the country, right? Or I want you to, you know, it's like, so how do I get Okay, so I know that you're really, really patriotic, right? And so you will take that poison, because you believe fully that it's good for the country. So that would be to me like a, what could possibly be an abuse of leadership versus something that would be more positive? So how do we how do we, as a listener, as an audience member who's maybe being led or wanting to lead, how do they make sure that they do it with pure motivation? Or that they're being led from somebody who has pure motivation, versus being led through fraud or, you know, that's the word. withholding of information not being completely authentic?Joshua Spodek 9:54  Well, this so this is pretty powerful stuff and you're working with people's deep emotions and you could easily hurt someone this way. You definitely when you do this, and it takes months to develop it, or years, some people stumble on it maybe founded as a child just to happen to get a technique like it. And Eisenhower said, you know, leadership, paraphrase here is getting him to do your thing for his reason. And so if the very similar to what I'm talking about, and you will, when someone opens up with you and shares these things, you will feel a Machiavellian feeling of like, Oh, now I can get them to do things. You will also, even from a purely Machiavellian standpoint, you will recognize, if you use that once that way, that's it, you've lost that you've made an enemy of that person, they're gonna hate you. And so even if you were purely psychopathic, you would recognize I can't speak to what it's like for somebody psychopathic, but if you're, you're gonna realize you, you got one shot at ruining the relationship, this person forever, and you're not gonna want to do it. But they're also going toAri Gronich 11:07  have that set up. That's on a one to one. Let me I'm just gonna interject. So you you consult with politicians. So politicians are famous for making promises and leading people into places where they are literally where the people are literally voting against their own self interests. Right? So yes, on a one on one basis, the person may know, okay, my motivation is a little Machiavellian, I might want to turn that down so that I don't isolate this one person who I'm in relationship with. But when you're a politician, and you're ruling over 100,000 1,000,002 million, or however many, and you don't have those personal relationships, you tend to get led down a wrong line. And so as a as an audience, let's say a voter, right, who's voting for for policy, who wants to know that they're being led by somebody who is being authentic? and non Machiavellian, right? How do they recognize that?Joshua Spodek 12:10  Well, I want to recognize that we've completely switched domains. Learning to play piano is one thing, learning how to command an audience at Rock, not rocking at Lincoln Center say, it's a very different thing. showmanship on stage is very different. There's a lot of stage music, session musicians, who are technically proficient and you play music better than anyone, but they can't, you know, work a crowd, right? Likewise, is playing musicians who can they know to chords, but they can work crowd. And so it's very different sets of skills to lead one person one on one was what we were talking about, and leading a large group of people.Ari Gronich 12:46  Absolutely, thank you so much for, for coming on. You know, I am a I'm a believer that in order to create a new tomorrow, we have to challenge ourselves like a lobster in its shell, you know, got to break free from one shell before we could get to your next show. It's not comfortable, it's not easy. But if we have more conversations that explore these kinds of, you know, topics, then we'll get to a deeper truth. And that deeper truth, my hope is, will help to activate people's vision for a better world so that they can truly lead themselves and lead others. And, and we can change the world together. So I really appreciate you being on here. So thank you very much for coming.Joshua Spodek 13:35  Thank you for having me. I hope that I think I said things that I think me in the past would have benefited from different people may resonate or not, but I hope I hope for some people at least, that we things that we shared, help them further their path.Ari Gronich 13:50  Absolutely. Well, thank you so much. And this has been another episode of create a new tomorrow. I've been your host, Ari Gronich with Josh spodek. Thank you so much for coming on. And remember, we're activating your vision for a better world. So what are you going to do today, tomorrow and next week, to really live your perfect life.

Today we are here with Elizabeth Kipp, who is an author. She is a health facilitator regarding, you know, stress, chronic pain management, addiction recovery, meditation, yoga, ancestral clearing. I mean, she is so well versed in healing arts. She also has a plant based plant science Bachelors of Science degree. So it's not just the woo woo that she does. She did. She incorporates and integrates both sides in order to take people from their painful lives and and help them. So she's written a book called The Way Through Chronic Pain Tools to Reclaim Your Healing Power. *Episode Highlights* *Elizabeth* [00:03:01] Then you add sugar into the mix and you add a mother who was in chronic pain and using alcohol to mediate that deal. You know, really kind of a lot of social drinking going on, a lot of a lot of really addiction at that time. I lived in a very unpredictable environment in terms of I never knew when I was going to get in trouble because we had to be seen and not heard. And we had to perform. And, you know, all that comes a lot of pressure. I didn't. I had to work really hard to maintain a sense of I'm safe because I a lot of times I didn't I didn't actually feel safe. That's also a setup for chronic pain. By the way. So, you know, emotional, anything emotional in me. I was allowed to express. So that's a pressure cooker right there. Right. Then I had an accident when I was 14. I fell off a horse and landed on a rock and broke my fifth Lamar. It slipped. It broke on the both transverse processes and slipped forward. And today it's sitting 80 percent forward into my pelvis and pulling the leg nerves with it. I have hardware in there and kind of the bionic woman. But. But they don't. Nobody really understands. The Western doctors really don't understand why I'm walking, let alone a yoga teacher. *Elizabeth* [00:05:57] So I became unstable. I went and I it was the beginning of I had three surgeries over the next three years. Lot of pain. They put me on opiates and benzodiazepines, which to your audience is like the old version of out-of-band or Xanax would have been Dnipro Bammy. So that's kind of the old version, also known as Milltown. Back in the day I was on, that was their answer. I swear that was their answer for 31 years. You know, that was their answer. Opiates and Bonzo's and you don't get by on your wits. That was the answer. They didn't know how to heal it. And here's the pork important part. They never ask the question, why isn't Elizabeth healing? They just assumed I wouldn't. That was the flaw in the argument. *Ari* [00:08:38] Why you're not healing, but they're actually causing some of the further damage and the addictive tendency to. I need the drug, so I need the pain. So I need the drug. So I need the pain. It's like this vicious cycle, you know, challenging the system is also about challenging the questions that people ask. Right. So what were the questions that you've learned. To ask? What are the questions that you've learned to ask doctors as well as alternative health practitioners? Because I think that this will that'll be a really great thing for the listeners to understand is what questions do I need to ask my physician, my doctor, my therapist, whoever it is, so that I can get better results and get rid of the causes of pain and illness? *Ari* [00:13:07] Because I was learning about this being something good for cancer at the time, that it was a big thing. That was a big pulled, big push for shark cartilage and it taking the shark cartilage and all of a sudden her numbers started to improve. And she went to the doctor and the doctor was like, what are these numbers and what have you been doing? And. Oh my goodness, I can't believe what's happening. This never happens with pancreatic cancer because it's it's a quick kill you. And, you know, it's like. Quick, quick, quick. She said, well, I've been taking this shark cartilage and that's the only thing I've done differently. And so it must be helping. And her doctor said, oh, that's stuff that doesn't do anything for you. You're just having a placebo effect. It does. You should just stop taking that and we'll figure something out that works. That works. She died a couple months later because she got so disheartened and believe, you know, she grew up in a world where you listen to the doctor, the doctor is the doctor is the authority. So you listen to them. You do what they say. And even now, prescription meds, doctor says, take this. What do you do? You take it. A therapist says, take this supplement. What do you do? Maybe we'll see how it does it. It doesn't have the same scripted value that. *Ari* [00:16:19] So the only the only caveat that I have to that is we now have this thing called Dr. Google. That is it's it's like a maze upon a maze, upon a maze, upon a maze of information. Kubra misleading matter. What's true or not true? It just matters who's got the best SVO. Right. It's a problem. Hard for people to get a true answer nowadays because they have so much to weed through. *Resources and Links* * *https://elizabeth-kipp.com* * *https://CreateANewTomorrow.com* * *https://www.facebook.com/arigronich* *Full Transcription* *Ari&Elizabethe1.mp3* *Ari* [00:00:01] Has it occurred to you that the systems we live by are not designed to get results. We pay for procedures instead of outcomes, focusing on emergencies rather than preventing disease and living a healthy lifestyle. For over 25 years, I've taken care of Olympians, Paralympians, A-list actors and Fortune 1000 companies. If I did not get results, they did not get results. I realized that while powerful people who controlled the system want to keep the status quo. If I were to educate the masses, you would demand change. So I'm taking the gloves off and going after the systems as they are. Join me on my mission to create a new tomorrow as a chat with industry experts. Elite athletes thought leaders and government officials about how we activate our vision for a better world. We may agree and we may disagree, but I'm not backing down. *Ari* [00:00:50] I'm Ari Gronich and this is. Create a new tomorrow podcast. *Ari* [00:01:00] Hey, everybody, this is Ari. Gronich with another episode of Create a New Tomorrow. And we are here with Elizabeth Kipp, who is an author. She is a health facilitator regarding, you know, stress, chronic pain management, addiction recovery, meditation, yoga, ancestral clearing. I mean, she is so well versed in healing arts. She also has a plant based plant science Bachelors of Science degree. So it's not just the woo woo that she does. She did. She incorporates and integrates both sides in order to take people from their painful lives and and help them. So she's written a book called The Way Through Chronic Pain Tools to Reclaim Your Healing Power. Elizabeth, so thank you so much for coming on. And tell us a little bit about what got you started in this work. And I know you had some health challenges as well. So what do you tell the audience where you came from so that they can kind of feel what's possible for them? *Elizabeth* [00:02:08] Thank you so much. And I'd just like to say thank you for having me on. It's an honor to be here and to address your audience. Yeah, I came from Delaware back in the mid 50s, so that dates me right away. The mantra. There was a couple of things. One. No pain. No gain. I came from a family of athletes. There was no complaining about anything. And also there was a lot of denial of feelings. We don't show that stuff. We don't talk about it. *Elizabeth* [00:02:42] And then and then the other thing was, which is, you know, you can see athletics, Ray. We were as children, my brother and I were expected to excel, not they didn't hope they expected. So you see, that's a setup right there, right? *Elizabeth* [00:03:01] Then you add sugar into the mix and you add a mother who was in chronic pain and using alcohol to mediate that deal. You know, really kind of a lot of social drinking going on, a lot of a lot of really addiction at that time. I lived in a very unpredictable environment in terms of I never knew when I was going to get in trouble because we had to be seen and not heard. And we had to perform. And, you know, all that comes a lot of pressure. I didn't. I had to work really hard to maintain a sense of I'm safe because I a lot of times I didn't I didn't actually feel safe. That's also a setup for chronic pain. By the way. So, you know, emotional, anything emotional in me. I was allowed to express. So that's a pressure cooker right there. Right. Then I had an accident when I was 14. I fell off a horse and landed on a rock and broke my fifth Lamar. It slipped. It broke on the both transverse processes and slipped forward. And today it's sitting 80 percent forward into my pelvis and pulling the leg nerves with it. I have hardware in there and kind of the bionic woman. But. But they don't. Nobody really understands. The Western doctors really don't understand why I'm walking, let alone a yoga teacher. *Elizabeth* [00:04:21] This is this is to fix this. It's just like how did that happen, you know? So it's a testament to the tools. *Elizabeth* [00:04:27] It really is. And the body wants to heal. It took me I hurt my back, but I got up from the accident when I was 14. I got up from the accident. I walked away. And because I had seen people get hurt at horse shows, you know, and the Olympics and stuff, I'd seen people get hurt. They ended up being taken away on a stretcher. I figured if I could get up and walk away, I was fine. I had no I it hurt, but I didn't know I'd broken a bone. Right. So I live with that for seven years. Wow. And then I finally was in enough pain at that point that I was like, I think maybe I need to see a doctor. And everybody wanted me to have surgery. I saw all the different back doctors. They all want me to have back surgery since the chiropractor. He said, I think I think we might be able to manage this for a while. So for another seven years, chiropractor was very helpful. Very I mean, I would kind of limp in there a bit over and I would walk out there dancing. So that's pretty impressive. And then about nine months after I had my my son, that slip became very unstable. And of course, you can imagine pregnancy. They had all said, you know, you can't have a baby. And I'm like, well, anyway, I advanced and I'm really grateful for what I did that that Kerry and then and then holding him and, you know, that just that kind of a heart on the back. *Elizabeth* [00:05:57] So I became unstable. I went and I it was the beginning of I had three surgeries over the next three years. Lot of pain. They put me on opiates and benzodiazepines, which to your audience is like the old version of out-of-band or Xanax would have been Dnipro Bammy. So that's kind of the old version, also known as Milltown. Back in the day I was on, that was their answer. I swear that was their answer for 31 years. You know, that was their answer. Opiates and Bonzo's and you don't get by on your wits. That was the answer. They didn't know how to heal it. And here's the pork important part. They never ask the question, why isn't Elizabeth healing? They just assumed I wouldn't. That was the flaw in the argument. *Elizabeth* [00:06:45] Yeah, that was the flaw in the argument. Anyway, I finally found a doctor who who was able to not only get me off the medication, which at that point I'd been on for the last 15 years of all that I was had been on fentanyl and out-of-band or Xanax. That's a kind of a deadly combination. So it's I mean, I lived through it. *Elizabeth* [00:07:07] You know, I found Dr. Peter Prescott, who has since passed away, but he took me through his pain management program, Detox Me. And, you know, he said he he knew I could heal and I'd never heard that before. He was like, you know, I think maybe your medicine is causing your pain. And I'm like. *Elizabeth* [00:07:27] Who are you? I never heard that. How do you know that anyway? *Elizabeth* [00:07:32] And he all totally knew that my stress response was way off. And no doctor had ever talked about that before. So he hadn't even met me. And he knew what I was up to. So I knew this guy and knew something. And he I walked into that pain management program with a life to 59 years of gut painted, 40 years of back pain. And I walked out fifty two days later with no pain. *Ari* [00:07:58] Wow, that is that is amazing. You know, since then, you've gone on to do some amazing studies and amazing things and to help other people with their pain. *Ari* [00:08:12] So, you know, I like to, as you know, challenged the systems and the challenge to the system that you were in multifold. *Ari* [00:08:22] It was a matter of drugging symptoms and instead of taking care of causes and then obviously those drugs suppress your ability to even understand. *Ari* [00:08:38] Why you're not healing, but they're actually causing some of the further damage and the addictive tendency to. I need the drug, so I need the pain. So I need the drug. So I need the pain. It's like this vicious cycle, you know, challenging the system is also about challenging the questions that people ask. Right. So what were the questions that you've learned. To ask? What are the questions that you've learned to ask doctors as well as alternative health practitioners? Because I think that this will that'll be a really great thing for the listeners to understand is what questions do I need to ask my physician, my doctor, my therapist, whoever it is, so that I can get better results and get rid of the causes of pain and illness? *Elizabeth* [00:09:32] Great question. First of all, I have to make sure I understand the assumptions. You know, so this is the value of having a science training, right? I had that training and I remember all these doctors said to me, you will be. This is what they said. You will be in level seven out of 10 pain for their sheer life 24/7, and you will be in a wheelchair when you're 40. And I and my formal state succumb to that. And I burst into tears and I cried for a while. I cried for days. And I knew something was wrong with this picture. I just couldn't figure it out. And until I figure it out, I just kept crying. *Elizabeth* [00:10:12] And I finally figured it out. *Elizabeth* [00:10:16] Science, first of all, he'd forgotten his basic science. He was giving a prognosis. I had forgotten his basic science that we live in a world of probabilities, not it's not black and white. It's probable that. So he didn't even leave an open day. He didn't leave room for hope in there. The other thing is he forgot that the scientific method and lots of people don't know this is self limiting by definition. Science can only discuss talk about things that it can observe, measure and describe. Where we live, we live in the all that is and the science world lives in a part of it. The only part that he can observe, measure and describe. So where does healing happen? Everywhere. Science is only looking at the part that he can look at. So when I realized that, I was like, he's not a fortuneteller. He forgot his science. *Elizabeth* [00:11:15] And I'm going to look everywhere for healing, not just here. And I it's not that I'm throwing doctors out. It's not about dissing doctors. It's about what are their assumptions and do they understand the limitations? And is there some some open mindedness there? *Elizabeth* [00:11:32] So what are your assumptions and when when they make a comment like, hey, you know, you will be and you know, this is the only solution we have. An honest answer would have been. Yet the only one we have yet, you know, and the other one within. I'm not trained in chronic pain. You know, because they're not. And they they're only doing what they can. So there's a little bit of an ego thing. They're not really being honest about their training. *Elizabeth* [00:12:06] And it would be nice if there would be some ownership of the limitation because, you know, the patient is there owning their stuff. And we'll be nice if the doctor and the medical people were owning their stuff. And that was what Dr. Peter was all about. He was about, you know, really relating to the patient and and being very clear about about where he was coming from and where the patient was coming from. You know, if that answers your question. *Ari* [00:12:32] Yeah, absolutely. You know, I learned that lesson when my grandmother died because she was she had pancreatic cancer. And so she was given a death sentence and I was a master herbalist. I was young and I was learning all about shark cartilage. Right. And I said to my grandmother, why don't you take some shark cartilage and see if it helps? *Ari* [00:13:07] Because I was learning about this being something good for cancer at the time, that it was a big thing. That was a big pulled, big push for shark cartilage and it taking the shark cartilage and all of a sudden her numbers started to improve. And she went to the doctor and the doctor was like, what are these numbers and what have you been doing? And. Oh my goodness, I can't believe what's happening. This never happens with pancreatic cancer because it's it's a quick kill you. And, you know, it's like. Quick, quick, quick. She said, well, I've been taking this shark cartilage and that's the only thing I've done differently. And so it must be helping. And her doctor said, oh, that's stuff that doesn't do anything for you. You're just having a placebo effect. It does. You should just stop taking that and we'll figure something out that works. That works. She died a couple months later because she got so disheartened and believe, you know, she grew up in a world where you listen to the doctor, the doctor is the doctor is the authority. So you listen to them. You do what they say. And even now, prescription meds, doctor says, take this. What do you do? You take it. A therapist says, take this supplement. What do you do? Maybe we'll see how it does it. It doesn't have the same scripted value that. *Elizabeth* [00:14:41] That would be the next question. The other questions that I would ask, because I've asked this before, I was having issues with my bone density and I was, you know, osteoporosis and my Western doctor, bless his heart, it's his training. I'm not dissing him. I'm just saying the training is the training. And that's your perspective. That's the best that they can do, just like your mom's doctor. Right. He said, I'm not going to get better. And they want me to take a big pharma, start these big pharma injections. And here's the question I asked him, because I'm I'm open minded. You know, I want to know the data. I kind of like I'd like to know what's out there. Yeah, absolutely. And I said to him, OK. Explain to me the biology of that drug. And he couldn't. And then I went on Google and I went to the to the company's Web site and they didn't have either. And I went back to my doctor and I said, you know, if you guys can explain to me how this drugs work, this drug works, so I could make some kind of an evaluation. I'm not taking it. That's an answer to that. You know, I just don't blindly trust these guys anymore. It's not like I'm being mean. I'm just being cautious. And I would like to know if the person I'm working with actually knows what they're doling out. *Ari* [00:15:59] You know, it's it's a it's a funny thing. The fine line between, you know, I would never assume that not listening to somebody is being mean. I would assume that researching for yourself is taking ownership of your health. *Ari* [00:16:19] So the only the only caveat that I have to that is we now have this thing called Dr. Google. That is it's it's like a maze upon a maze, upon a maze, upon a maze of information. Kubra misleading matter. What's true or not true? It just matters who's got the best SVO. Right. It's a problem. Hard for people to get a true answer nowadays because they have so much to weed through. *Elizabeth* [00:16:52] Well, Pub Med is a good is a good platform to go through. That's p b m e d is as you can actually get the research papers. I go to NIH to as well to the National Institutes of Health. I go to that Web site for papers. So I'm I'm I'm kind of selective in where I go. But here's the thing. Back in when I was in graduate school, I was in graduate school for environmental studies on top of my science degree. And I was gonna go into environmental impact statement stuff, that kind of stuff. At that time, the funding for basic research was just starting to dry up. We have very little funding nowadays for basic research. The research that's done anymore is done. It's very much company driven, corporate driven with corporate interests. And so we have to be first of all, we have to be able to know how to read a study. And that was one of the things I learned in graduate school, was how to actually evaluate a paper and a design and a study. And did they use the rights? That's and their conclusions. Correct. That kind of thing. And it's still hard for me and I and I've had training in it. So you're right. It's hard. And we so we have to be discerning about the information. We're looking at who we're listening to and really ask these questions. You know, do they really know what they're talking about or are they kind of winging it? Right. *Ari* [00:18:17] You know, I'd I'd like to add to that that we have to be willing to listen to points of view that we don't necessarily agree with or have a preconceived notion about, because we can always go to somebody that has the same philosophy as us. But if we're doing that in an echo chamber and still getting the the results of ill health and disease, then we've got to be willing to open our minds and open our hearts to the possibility that there are other things out there. Yeah. So what I'd like to ask I ask this at the end of every interview is three things that somebody action steps that somebody can take right now. To shift and change their own health, their own minds. And, you know, activate their vision for a better world. *Elizabeth* [00:19:21] Well, that would start with their world right now. Step number one would be pause. Stop what you're doing and drop into being. I find that my answers come in that space where there's not a lot of doing going on, where I'm dropping the mind and and really allowing the breath, my attention to come stay on the breath and and just kind of allow. Really important healing happens right in this present moment. So pause get present. The second thing is they get rigorously honest. You know, because a lot of us deny our experience, because it's because it's it's it's it's traumatizing lives has been traumatized. And we don't want to our art. We turn away. That's our natural biology, is to turn towards pleasure and away from pain. So we're really going against our own biological programing when we turn into are not so good experience. And then the third thing. Don't judge the moment you drop the judgment. It's not good. Bad. It just is. Right. That third position. Right. So we have we live in this dualistic werb world. Good, bad. High and low. Back. Forward. *Elizabeth* [00:20:39] Down. What if we took the third position? Neutrality. Then you'd have a triangle and you'd have a firm foundation that says things. *Ari* [00:20:52] Yeah, that is. That's awesome. *Ari* [00:20:54] And, you know, just that that first thing that you stated is stop doing and start being. And we live in such a society that. *Ari* [00:21:07] Rewards and values. What we do versus and the amount that we do versus the results that we're getting. So it's a procedure based world that we're living in versus a results based world. And so that is a really powerful lesson and thing to activate in yourself. *Ari* [00:21:29] You can do that now. You can stop and just say, what am I thinking and why? And start being. *Elizabeth* [00:21:38] Yeah. I wouldn't actually ask those questions. The mind is going to engage. Doing this, I would just. Where am I looking. And down into the breath. Right where the attention goes. The energy flows. It's it's it it's a tricky thing. And, you know, if you talk to brain scientist, then you probably have a few of them on your podcast. They'll tell you that with this thing that we're doing is doing, doing, doing, doing. We're wearing the brain out. When we do know is that the pawns and we go into what you know, some of your listeners are going to, oh, I don't even know how to do that or what is that meditation, which is we call it meditation. It's just being it's the most natural state that we are. It's also called meditation. The brain gets a chance to rest and heal. So it's really important that we do that. *Ari* [00:22:33] That's awesome. So how could people get a hold of you if if they're interested in learning more? *Elizabeth* [00:22:40] Thank you. Yes. You can get a hold of me at elizabeth-kipp.com. Or you can email me and Elizabeth. That's with a. elizabeth@elizabeth-kipp.com. *Ari* [00:22:55] Awesome. Thank you so much for being here. And we will have you on again. And for all of our listeners, you know, there are options. There are things that you can do to change the course of your life and to clear out the chronic pain, the trauma and the things that are blocking you from being who you want to be, really. And I hope that you've learned something here. And we'll have Elizabeth on again so that she can give you some more of her wisdom. Thank you guys so much for being on the Create a new Tomorrow podcast. I'm your host, Ari Gronich, and I wish you a healthy day. *Ari* [00:23:38] Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. *Ari* [00:23:45] If you'd like to take this information further and are interested in joining a community of like minded people who are all passionate about activating their vision for a better world, go to the Web site, createanewtomorrow.com and find out how you can be part of making a bigger difference. I have a gift for you. Just for checking it out. *Ari* [00:24:03] And look forward to seeing you take the leap and joining our private paid mastermind community. Until then, see you on the next episode.

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Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.#Podcast #health #Education #CreateANewTomorrowSHOW LESSAri Gronich 0:00  I'm Ari, Gronich, and this is create a new tomorrow podcast.Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host Ari Gronich. And I have with me Josh spodek. Now, this is a guy I taught, I had a pre interview with him, I was really excited to talk to him. He's a three time TEDx speaker, this guy has, he's a best selling author of this book initiative and leadership, step by step, the sustainable life podcast is award winning with that. Professor at NYU, you've even you know, taught leadership at West Point with the director of US Secretary of Defense, right?Joshua Spodek 0:56  Yes, he's since become the Secretary of Defense. Is that because of working with me? I can't say for sure. Well,Ari Gronich 1:01  well, we'll get into that, we'll get into that. So tell us a little bit about your background and why leadership was such an important role. And the reason I'm going to preface this for the audience, the reason I'm so excited is because I am really looking at the deep dive into leadership and what makes people leaders, what makes people followers, and so on. So I'm really excited to have Josh here.Joshua Spodek 1:25  Well, glad to be here. And I'll start with a very brief part about beforehand. If you want to know more, let me know. Because growing up, I was pretty nerdy, pretty geeky. I got a PhD in physics, I helped build a satellite that's orbiting the Earth right now. And for a while I really thought physics, I want to be a physicist. And then I ended up leaving, after got my PhD to start my first company, and was very successful. That was successful. Then came the recession. And it was difficult times, I got squeezed out by the investors, very painful experience. Could not by that point, I severed my ties with academia. So I couldn't really go back. I ended up going to business school. And that's where I found classes in leadership that I did not know existed. I thought, Martin Luther King was born that way. Mandela was born that way. Eisenhower was born that way, I couldn't really change who I was. And I learned that On the contrary, you can change, you can develop social emotional skills. Although I'll clarify that in school, I learned that you could. And there we had. The classes were case study, reading and writing papers, not actually doing the things after Business School. Yeah, I go into meeting thinking I've gotten great grades and leadership classes physical, I'm a leader, I will run this meeting. And it didn't do very well. Because I later learned how to learn through and how I teach is experientially if you want to. And so I look at what I learned in school was like, you can learn music appreciation. And that's, you know, you'll learn about the lives of Bach and Beethoven. But you'll learn how to play you got to play scales. Same with leadership, I learned leadership appreciation in school. What I teach now is and what it coaches how to lead. And it's a deep, deep passion of mine. Awesome. SoAri Gronich 3:18  we talked about this a little bit. And in my, in my witnessing of of the world, right, I feel like Kennedy was probably, at least as a president, the last great leader of our country. And the thing that I think made him a leader is not only did he bring people along with his vision, but he gave mandates he gave direction to those visions, he said, we're going to go to the moon by the end of the decade, go do that. And then all of a sudden, people started flocking to create what he kind of mandated we should do. So where do you think that that's lacking in the leadership and how does your you know your vision of leadership address those kinds of things so that we can move forward faster versus wait for another great leader to show up?Joshua Spodek 4:12  Okay, so I'm gonna take the last thing you said there, what can we what can we do ourselves instead of just waiting for the next great leaders show up? Is it learning social and emotional skills, performance skills, is different than learning things about factual recall things that you can take bubble test for write papers about? You can write papers about leadership, but the actual practice of it, you have to face you have to understand yourself, you have to learn empathy, compassion, listening, as well as confidence. And these are not things you can read your way into, or write your way into and learning them requires there are there gonna be times I guarantee everyone who tries at some point they will think this. I've been at the six months I'm worse off than I was when I started. I'm not going to get anywhere others can do this, I just can't do it, everyone will think that at some point, that's part of the process and table get through that. It's a, it's something different than what our schools have come to teach these days. Our schools, there are, there are exceptions. But generally, it's factual recall, it's abstract analysis, which is valuable. I don't want to take away from that. But it doesn't help you face fears of going in front of an audience and allow yourself to be vulnerable and sometimes failing, not just failing. But like being being ridiculed, being disrespected, and bouncing back. You can get it in other areas, and just practicing leadership, there's sports, give it to performance arts, I think leadership is a performance art.Unknown Speaker 5:54  SoAri Gronich 5:56  just to go in, in my background, right. Every time I've ever had a position of leadership, it was in a style of master apprentice, right. So I had somebody who was teaching me how to be a leader. And then as a leader, I would be teaching somebody how to be what I'm doing, right. So I always had a master apprentice kind of relationship in that way. And it was very experiential. And I just want to kind of come back to what you just said, about doing the practice of, and knowing your traumas, or knowing your history, because I've always told people that when I'm doing trauma, work with them, if you want to get on a camera, but you're afraid of what people will think of you, the only way to do that is to get on that camera with people who are safe. And so if you keep rebuilding the same, or if you rebuild the somatic trauma with new somatic experiences, you'll be able to then reprogram that neuro pathway. And as you do that, you get more and more comfortable being on stage, for instance, that kind of what you're saying, with regards to leadership.Joshua Spodek 7:14  Yeah, I mean, you say building neural pathways, it's the I would just simply say, learning, it's to learn to do things, it is effect, forming neural pathways you're learning. And you have to, you have to practice these things. I mean, if you simply read about leadership, you will learn how to read about leadership. That's different than it's like learning, reading about playing piano. It teaches you how to read how to play piano, but only fingers on the keyboard to it, that's the same thing that's going to certain neural pathways. At the beginning, when you play piano, I learned to play piano, but I think that, you know, you play some scale, the thumb is gonna hit harder than the pinky generally. So you have to learn how to modulate the, you know, hit with the same, if you want the same volume, you have to hit with the same force, which means you have to push harder with your pinky. Likewise, if you're going to lead people, and you want to make people feel comfortable sharing what motivates them, so that you motivate them intrinsically, not telling them what to do, that managers can do that. And that's effective at times. But sometimes, intrinsic motivation is going to get you much farther. And if you presume to know what the person what motivates them, you're almost certainly gonna be wrong. So how do you but for them to share that is generally makes them feel vulnerable. So they're going to protect that. So if I'm going to communicate, and behave in ways to make them feel comfortable sharing that, that takes that kind of nuance, that kind of subtlety, that kind of being able to pick up facial expression, I movement, tone of voice, both seeing there's as well asAri Gronich 8:58  doing your own got modulating your own. So how do you do that? Do you use mirror work to modulate your own or do you like, what what is your process for creating that level of leadership in yourself and awareness?Joshua Spodek 9:14  I'll give a very low level and not a somewhat low level incident and give a high level answer. When I okay, after school, I picked up there was this difference between learning about something learning something. And at this at the time I was watching inside the actress to do a bunch I don't know if people have seen it, but I love it. It's now it's no longer James Lipton. He's is some other hosts now. But he'd bring on all the best guests. Pacino De Niro, Streep, you know people like that. And I kept noticing that they had the skills that I was supposed to have learned in Business School. Over and over again. They kept saying they dropped out of school, they got kicked out of school, they never went to school in the first place. Like that's weird because I went to an Ivy League business school and my professors weren't Nowhere near able to practice the emotional and social skills that these people could and yet they didn't go to school at all. And then the more I studied or learn about them, because my curiosity is now like, what's going on? How's it? How's this possible, it shouldn't be this way. It's not that they they stopped going, that what they're talking about was like mainstream course course in high school, they would still get education. And so then I learned about like, the group theater and Stanislavski and this whole history of theater. And there's a style of learning there. I ended up taking Meisner technique classes. So Meisner was one of the big teachers of the of the movement. And the technique was, it starts off these very simple exercises, that when you do them, they're so simple. It's almost like, what's the point. But then the next exercise is a little bit more than that. And the next section has a little bit more than that. And before you know it, you're doing these amazing, I was doing these amazing things, I was crying on stage, on purpose to using the technique, which I never would have expected I could do. And so if you look at the way I teach, now, it's Meisner technique. But instead of By the way, they're doing construction next door, I hope that it's not too loud,Ari Gronich 11:13  I can hear it a little bit, but we could try to get in and post.Joshua Spodek 11:18  So the hopefully not too distracting, I feel like now we're all used to like, we used to be in Sound Studios, and now it's just our living rooms,Unknown Speaker 11:26  I know. And,Joshua Spodek 11:28  alright, so I take out the stuff that's specific to acting, and I bring in stuff that's specific to most of my clients or business leadership. But some politicians, people like that, too. There's lots of areas that you can do leadership and sports and education, so forth. So I put in exercises that are relevant to that style of leadership. So it begins with very simple basics. And then you move up. So now I'm going to go from management technique. But this is how you learn sports. To play musical instrument to perform dance singing, the military, you begin with very simple basics. And when you get a certain level of proficiency with the basics, you move up to intermediate. And when you move up from there, you get to mastery, and there's no limit to how well you can act or how well you can play tennis. So there's no place to stop, you can always get better. And as you gain fluency in it, you you communicate more you learn more about yourself. It's a wonderful experience. And it's just as far as I can tell people didn't do it with leadership. I did. And then you know, that's why I end up at West Point in places like that.Ari Gronich 12:41  Right. So tell me about about that westpoint gig. You know, you're you're working with professors who are also Captain through colonels, you know, typically, you're working with the student population who's looking to become the next leader and officer. And I'll tell you the truth when I when I spent four years of my life and Air Force Junior ROTC, which, you know, doesn't sound like a lot. But it was it was an interesting experience, because my experience of the leadership was really all about ego. If somebody had joined two weeks before me and didn't know half of what I knew their words still got accepted as fact, versus what's the truth or optimization. And so, within military, I always find that there's so much what's the word overage of, of duties, like, somebody who's knows his business is being told to do his business and then has to do it twice or three times? Right? And so that leadership doesn't really translate to, to trust in the person that you have hired. Whereas in business, we're starting to learn that you've got to like not micromanage. And so within regards to West Point, and what you're doing with the military there, how does that micromanage versus leadership, and, and breaking the ego of leadership so that it's really more of a service position versus I am a leader? position?Joshua Spodek 14:23  Well, just a lot there. I don't know if I can cover all of that. And you distinguish between micromanagement and leadership that what I heard, I would make the distinction between authority and leadership. And, and so your experience in the military is much greater than mine. And by the way, I appreciate your service. And it was it was just Memorial Day, and it's, I have a deep appreciation for the and a greater appreciation for the freedom that I have as a result of having spent time with the military. Very limited time. But my understanding is that there's a chain of command If you're given a directory, you got to follow a lawful direct order. But that's the last thing you want to rely on. You can rely on authority, if you have to what is authority, if not, the ability to hurt someone, if they don't do what you tell them to do? Well, that's almost an invitation for them to undermine that authority that can because I don't want you to hurt me, if I don't do what you tell me to do. But if you can find out why I, if you can find something, a motivation inside me that you can connect with a task, then I'll want to do it for my intrinsic motivation. That's what I really work on. That's not very well taught in school. And, and yet, it's not that hard to teach.Ari Gronich 15:41  Okay, so I want you to give me an example, I'm going to use me as an example, because you know, it's my show, I get to do that. But I have a seven year old, I'm a dad. And there are times in which I want to be an authority, or authoritarian with him. And I was like, you need to do this, you need to do this. That's it. No, no questions. And then there's this other side of me that's going what I'm doing sometimes isn't working as well as I'd like it to. And I'd much rather have a pleasant peaceful life with my son, and then one that's adversarial. So I'm trying to learn how to be a leader as a father, and do what you say is motivate his intrinsic motivation. So give me a kind of like, how would How would you go about doing that? Like, what what's the the pieces? What are the questions I would ask myself? Well,Joshua Spodek 16:32  I'm going to translate this to piano. You asked, like, how do I play this piece. And I'm really taught how to play this, you have to practice the basics. And if you're starting from you're not sewing for, I don't know where it's coming from. But if you start from never having played piano before, you got to start with the scales. I can tell you play when when when it says this note, hit that key when it says that note hit that key. But that's not really that's not musical expression. That's just mechanical doing things. So if someone wants to learn how to improve their relationships with others, you got to practice the basics in what you're talking about there. If I want to motivate someone through their intrinsic motivations, I have to find out what those motivations are. Which means I have to listen to them, I have to observe what motivates them. And generally, what I'm going to do is, I'll ask them, What motivates you. Not quite like that? asked what some?Ari Gronich 17:28  What are the things you like?Joshua Spodek 17:29  Yeah, what are some things that you like? And they're generally going to protect themselves? They're like, I presume your son? How old? Is he? Seven, seven. So he's not at the stage where he's just gonna say the opposite, just because, you know, but he might not be aware of it himself. He might not really know like, maybe he likes to play video games. But is it because it's fun, because it's distracting or whatever? So after asking, I'm going to presume that the answer that people give at different ages for different reasons is not the full answer. It's but in general, it's going to be a mix of the answer plus a few layers on top of protecting themselves of what they think you want. They think you want to hear what they think is the right answer. So then want to ask a series of confirming, clarifying questions, not not putting myself so if I say, you know, I'm gonna ask you what, what's, what's your passion behind leadership? What is leadership matters so much to you? You'll probably give me an answer. Whatever your answer, whatever your answer is, if I repeat it back to you, even if I get a word for word, exactly what you said, Your words can't match what's in your heart and in your mind, so I'm not going to get it quite right. Even if I say exactly what you said. So you're probably gonna say no, that's not quite right. If I asked you, what, can you correct me, and then I keep confirming, clarifying until you go. Yes, that's it. That's exactly it. Now I know what motivates you. Now I have something now I have the intrinsic thing inside you, one of many of you know, an infinite number of things that motivate you. It could be experiences, it could be hopes, dreams, but it's gonna be something that I identify as. If it's, if it's something very particular to you, it's probably not, it's probably something more deep down, that I can empathize with, when I get something like that, then I can if I can connect that to the task, then I will inspire the person. But how to do all that. I mean, I just jumped like, this week's worth of of the course, into one quick thing, because it takes a while to learn how to ask the question effectively, how to listen how to confirm and clarify.Ari Gronich 19:42  Yeah, but you have you have that outline that you've been able to very clearly Express so I'm answering as a as a as an educator, ya know, it's ask questions. Learn about the person that that you're trying to motivate. So, know and then assess and reassess. clarify, those are all great tips for for the audience. So no,Joshua Spodek 20:06  I appreciate, I would say not so much. Sorry to interrupt but not so much tips as signposts to go along the way the tips would be like practice the basics. I would tips would be like what to do specifically to develop the skills. Right. SoAri Gronich 20:20  okay, so questioning skills. So let's, let's go to that one first, what what are some tips on how to develop questioning skills? In in this area of finding out what exactly it's so I'll just give you so there's a difference between asking questions to gather a solution or just solve a problem. And there's ways to ask questions to interrogate and basically get somebody to admit what you already think that they want to know what you, you know, think that they want to tell you. So there's two different ways to ask questions in my world. In your world, how do you ask questions that lead to the results that you want to get?Joshua Spodek 20:59  Well, in this area, I would say start with the expect expectation that they have a passion is different than what you expect, when I say passion, I mean, strong motivation, not necessarily related to like physical passions, just a strong motivation, take for granted that they do. And it's probably not what you expect, it will be a mix of what you expect plus other things. So when you get an answer, so you're going to get something about them that you couldn't possibly know except that they will tell you. And when they tell you, it's gonna be a mix of what is in there, plus some protection plus these other things. So but they want, it's one of the great feelings in life, is to share what you care about most, to someone who supports you for it. So your questions when you confirm and clarify. Here's a way to get them to shut up or to clam up is to judge them. And even positive judgment, people like Oh, if I said it was good, well, I know when someone judges me one way, if I let them do that, all they want that at some point is going to go the other way. So I generally don't say, Oh, I try to avoid good, bad, right and wrong, better, worse, improve words that have been judged to have judgment built in. And then, so if someone says, you know, if I say, Why do you seem to really like doing x? what's the what's the motivation behind it? And this is something I don't say, Oh, that's a good reason. And I definitely don't say that's a bad reason. I say, I might comment on how I feel that like, Oh, that's interesting, but not in a judgmental way. Not in a good, bad, right, wrong way. Um, and I try not to, I try to avoid injecting myself like, if they say I do it, because of this, I say, Oh, really, I do it because of that. Then they kind of pick up Oh, he wasn't, he doesn't care about me. He just he was looking for an excuse to talk about himself. Which I'm I, which I often do. And that doesn't, that that's more for me, not for them, and therefore it's not conducive for leading for leadership. That's more entertainment for myself.Ari Gronich 23:08  Okay, so again, I you know, I think I want to just clarify, the questioning is meant to lead to a motivation, not an interrogation of judgment, like you're not putting a judgment on the person of whether their answers right or wrong, good or bad, up or down and indifferent. It's just trying to gather information, very flat.Joshua Spodek 23:33  Yeah. Build information and develop a relationship of rapport with a person of support, supportive, non judgmental, curiosity. So that they, they, when I repeat back to them, and when I really get it, a motivation, they say, Yeah, that's it. That feeling is a very, the feeling of feeling understood. For something important. is a it's a, how to describe it's a it's a feeling that's as powerful as love, I would say, to feel understood by someone euphoric. Yeah. And it makes me it makes me want to open up more with person when someone does that with me. I mean, the fact that you just clarified with me, this just are talking about I don't know if listeners could pick up on this, but I was like, Oh, yeah, I do want to clarify, like, I want to make sure he gets this and when you get it, I feel like oh man, now that I've told you that. And if I get support on that, I feel motivated to tell you more things about myself. From a leadership perspective, if you have people telling you more and more things about themselves that they care about. That's more and more things that you can leave them with. And this is not leading them like telling them what to do. It's helping them act on what they really care about. SoAri Gronich 24:53  watching out for the manipulation, right, so I want to just kind of break Part of you know, we're talking about motivation can be used for good or bad, right? So once you get a hold of their motivation, right, so how does somebody tell if somebody who's leading them is gathering their motivations for the benefit or the not benefit? So, motivations that could be like, well, I want you to take this poison, because it'll be good for the country, right? Or I want you to, you know, it's like, so how do I get Okay, so I know that you're really, really patriotic, right? And so you will take that poison, because you believe fully that it's good for the country. So that would be to me like a, what could possibly be an abuse of leadership versus something that would be more positive? So how do we how do we, as a listener, as an audience member who's maybe being led or wanting to lead? How do they make sure that they do it with pure motivation, or that they're being led from somebody who has pure motivation, versus being led through fraud or, you know, that's the word withholding of information not being completely authentic?Joshua Spodek 26:22  Well, this, so this is pretty powerful stuff, and you're working with people's deep emotions, and you could easily hurt someone this way. You definitely when you do this, and it takes months to develop it. or years, some people stumble on it, maybe founded as a child just to happen to get a technique like it. And Eisenhower said, you know, leadership, paraphrase here, is getting him to do your thing for his reason. And so if the very similar to what I'm talking about, and you will, when someone opens up with you, and shares these things, you will feel a Machiavellian feeling of like, Oh, now I can get them to do things. You will also, even from a purely Machiavellian standpoint, you will recognize, if you use that once that way, that's it, you've lost that you've made an enemy of that person, they're gonna hate you. And so even if you were purely psychopathic, you'd recognize I can't speak to what it's like for somebody who's psychopathic. But if you're, you're gonna realize you, you got one shot at ruining the relationship, this person forever, and you're not gonna want to do it. But they're also going toAri Gronich 27:35  have that set up. That's on a one to one. Let me I'm just gonna interject. So you you consult with politicians. So politicians are famous for making promises and leading people into places where they are literally where the people are literally voting against their own self interests. Right? So yes, on a one on one basis, the person may know, okay, my motivation is a little Machiavellian, I might want to turn that down so that I don't isolate this one person who I'm in relationship with. But when you're a politician, and you're ruling over 100,000 1,000,002 million, or however many, and you don't have those personal relationships, you tend to get led down a wrong line. And so as a as an audience, let's say a voter, right, who's voting for policy, who wants to know that they're being led by somebody who is being authentic and non Machiavellian, right? How do they recognize that?Joshua Spodek 28:39  Well, I want to recognize that we've completely switched domains. Learning to play piano is one thing, learning how to command an audience at Rock, not rocking at Lincoln Center say, it's a very different thing. showmanship on stage is very different. There's a lot of stage music, session musicians, who are technically proficient and you play music better than anyone, but they can't, you know, work a crowd, right? Likewise, is playing musicians who can they know to chords, but they can work crowd. And so it's very different sets of skills to lead one person one on one, which is what we were talking about, and leading a large group of people. So leaving that large group of people. That's a whole other story. I mean,Ari Gronich 29:21  as you know, leadership is like you are on stage at a TEDx. You're leading an audience of people, it's not a one on one conversation, right? So a lot of what we do in life these days, is designed to not be one on one to lead groups and, you know, we're looking at this new society, so to speak, and going okay, how do I how do I find my place of leadership here? And so I think we are starting to need to focus on those large groups as well. And yeah, I get your point that one, you got to learn one before you learn three before Learn 20.Joshua Spodek 30:02  Yeah, there was a lot of questions there, how do we protect ourselves against somebody manipulating us through getting the whole crowd to do something, and then you're getting swept up with the crowd. And then realizing later why I didn't mean to do that at all. I mean, there's a lot of personal leadership, to protect yourself against these things to know what your values are to know, to identify these techniques ahead of time, to leadership, IAri Gronich 30:27  just want to purse that's what I was hoping you would go to as the personal leadership.Joshua Spodek 30:32  Yeah. And also, what is your circle of friends who hiring is a major piece of leadership. If you hire people who are misaligned with the mission of your company, or your team or your friendship, it's not gonna work out, even if they're, they're great at what they do, but they don't really value what your mission is. So whom you hang out with, how you reflect and other times and being aware of what your values are, and acting on those things. Everybody has. Everybody values, family, everybody values, health, everybody values. civic duty, in some sense. The question is not do you value these things? The question is, when one is pitted against the other, which do you choose? That's much more challenging. If you value your fitness, but you also value saving money. Someone sometimes they're at odds. So which one do you pick, if you don't face these challenges yourself, these these choices, you don't really know your values. You can read about Plato's values, and Aristotle's and compare and contrast with Maya Angelou all you want. But you don't know your values until you face these things. So as you said earlier, on a small scale, you got to do these things when the when it's not like life or death. Then when you're in situations where it's like a major thing, what do I do? I mean, an example I use a lot is Muhammad Ali, when he won the Olympic gold medal, he became heavyweight champion of the world. He opposed the Vietnam War. And they drafted him. And he, they said, Are you gonna cross this line and he refused to cross the line, he said, I'm a conscientious objector lots of lots more depth than this. He didn't make that choice at that line. He reflected on that a lot before. And before now, we look back at Vietnam as a controversial affair. At that time, even Jackie Robinson said, Ali go, you know, they're not going to make him fight. He's not going to put his health at risk. And this was the army that had, you know, beaten Hitler. It didn't have a Vietnam in his background. So he had faced these things on his own before on a world stage to ask them. Another story I talked about a lot on Dave Chappelle. I don't know if you know this. A lot of people know that he was on offered $50 million contracts when Dave Chappelle when the Chappelle show is doing really well. And he walked away. So actually, on inside the Actor's Studio, he was being interviewed by James Lipton. And he tells a story about when he was graduating high school. His father says, so what are you gonna do? And he went to a performance arts high school. And his answer was like this really cocky, I want to be a great comedian. And comedy is not like an easy path to success. So his father says, Well, if you're, if you feel that way about if you're so confident, I think you should do it. But things can get crazy in Hollywood, you don't know. Name, your price now, figure out what's beyond what you're willing to do now when you're calm. And then, okay, so now he's talking to James Lipton, he turns to the audience who all know about his later history, he goes, hence,Unknown Speaker 33:55  Africa.Joshua Spodek 33:56  Meaning after his father gave him that advice, he reflected and thought, and spent his time and faces, you know, what's what's right for me? What's wrong for me? And when it got to create who knows what they weren't, like, Here's $50 million, have a great time. They're saying, Who knows what was attached to that? Who knows what kind of craziness goes on in Hollywood, right? And his name is price. And at both cases, Ali and Chappelle disappeared for a while Ali almost went bankrupt at the prime of his career, came back and became heavyweight champion the world again. And I think that's what helped him become not just the greatest boxer. I think many call them the greatest of all time of like everything, but certainly a major figure of the 20th century, Chappelle. I mean, his specials now are bigger than the Chappelle show was I think, well, it's special. It's something special. But you know, you got named the the Mark Twain award from the Kennedy Center he gotAri Gronich 34:54  as a beautiful ceremony. Yeah.Joshua Spodek 34:56  And again, he was talking about I will fight for your freedom to speak Your mind because I believe in this art. So these are examples of preparation that most of us will not face on the scale that they did with the world looking on with 10s of millions of dollars at stake. But it's the same technique that gets us that reflection, and what what is your price at a time preparation?Ari Gronich 35:20  asking those questions is,Unknown Speaker 35:22  to me,Ari Gronich 35:23  you know, like one of the best things you could do before you do anything. And I find that it's, it's a very difficult thing to get others to ask their own questions. It's like they can reflect if I'm asking them the question. It's hard to get people to come up with and then reflect on their own questions. Do you have any specific questions that you suggest people ask themselves?Joshua Spodek 35:53  More than the questions is really, you have to face the challenge yourself? You have to? It's not just which like, which do I value more between saving money or fitness? make that choice, you know, do go for the, I'm trying to think of like a situation where money and fitness go against each other?Ari Gronich 36:13  Or do you and afford what Tim can't afford? The equipment can't afford the proper food? You know, I mean, there's the crazy thing is that all the reasons why people do that. And,Joshua Spodek 36:24  you know, I'm smiling, because all the things you're talking about of like going, I don't like paying for gyms. And so I have my kettlebells over there, and all those bodyweight exercises. And you can just see the tip of my rowing machine over there. And so I have all this, I figured out how to exercise at like, a fraction of the cost of what other people what people pay, I paid 10 years of people pay per month that catwalks and can you tell how proud I am of that. Actually, that's and then with the food, I find out how to get I build relationships with the farmers at the farmers market. So I get vegetables much cheaper than everyone else does. Because they liked me because I talked to them. And, and I buy in season, so it's all and so I spend less money than most do, even though I get the highest quality. You know, right farm fresh vegetables. So that's why I had trouble picking that example. Because I found out how to be fit and save money, and how to eat healthy and save money. and delicious.Ari Gronich 37:21  A lot of people a lot of people don't really know that that's a, you know, possible, but I, you know, obviously 27 years I've been doing this and most of the ways that a person can get healthy costs a lot less than being sick. It's just a fact. And, you know, but as a leaders like questions, so like I'm writing a course right now on questioning, it's just all kinds of questions and ways to ask yourself things that will lead you towards wherever you want to go. So you personally lead yourself, I'm kind of like guiding the leading of themselves in that stuff. But the questioning the kinds of questions like, you could ask a question like, Why me? Or you can ask a question like, how much better could it get, you know, like, very different kinds of questions and how they lead your brain to an answer. So,Joshua Spodek 38:16  when you when you say questions like that, then my, my advices there is, is make those a dialogue with multiple people. I meditate regularly. And that's very useful. And there's something that happens when you talk to someone else. So to supportive, non judgmental, but still challenging. That definitely a think of those questions solo, meditate on them. Think about them, when you're lying in bed at night, or waking up in the morning and you have you know, nothing's getting in your way. Also, talk to your best friends about it, talk to your boss about it, talk to co workers, talk to your mom and dad, talk to your kids talk to me,Ari Gronich 38:55  what are they talking to them about? Because I'll tell you the truth, what it what it feels like, in my head, as you're saying that is find out your your life on by committee, you know, what your, your what's important to you by committee? What's uh, you know, it's like, I'm asking myself about, what is it as important to me as a leader? Or how do i do you know, so it's like, I wouldn't want to do that by committee, so to speak, I might want to ask them afterwards. What's your opinion on this as well, but after I'd already gotten to my real truth, my personal truth?Joshua Spodek 39:33  Well, I don't think you're going to get two final answers on these things. I mean, you'll get an answer that's right for you at that time. And I think that'll change as you age as things change. Of course, when you sit by committee that imply that feels to me, like you're trying to find a consensus or, but what I'm saying I'm suggesting is have people challenge you. So if I say, you know, I forget the questions you just asked, but like, what, like, what do I want out of a career That's an interesting question to ponder. And if I talk to some people about it and say, you know, push me on this challenge me, it's not to not for them to annoy me not for that, but for them to think of like, what might? What? from their experience that I have not had, but they had? Will they see that? I haven't. Um, you know, john Stuart Mill talked about if your idea hasn't been challenged, you don't really know you may be right, but you don't know it. You may you may be, there may be something more, something better for you that you haven't hit on yet. That when challenged to support why you'll hit on? That's what I'm going for is it's not a committee so much as a devil's advocates, or people to provoke greater reflection.Ari Gronich 40:50  Okay, I can see that. I just think that that should be done after the personal authentic reflection, and then, and then somebody can like, okay, now, what do you think of this? And maybe you have growth for me from where I'm at? But I would do the personal question first, personally, but, but I do understand how getting input from multiple places is going to increase your awareness of yourself.Joshua Spodek 41:21  I certainly didn't mean it as a solo as the only thing to do, as augment.Ari Gronich 41:27  Yeah, no, absolutely. Like said, I'm just reflecting, I'm trying to make sure that I'm clear, the audience is clear that, you know, that the information is, is disseminate in a way that everybody kind of is on the same level of what they hear. So when I, when I heard you, I heard, get people to challenge you, in what you're wanting to do. And I hate first thing is first, I just want to, you know, for me, at least, like I asked myself questions, and then I go, Okay, so this is what I want to do. Do you think that this is a good, you know, road, bad road? What are your experiences on this road, and getting other people's input? of that? So I'm, I'm wanting like, to be very specific, so the audience can be clear on what you're saying. I hope that makes it more helpful for them. If that makes sense, what I just said, yeah. Yeah. I mean, as you were saying it for me, I think I think of I do reflect personally, and come to some results. And then but I, I personally don't think what more is there after this? What have I not thought of? And so I don't think of it as that my solo answers. I don't think it was like the right ones are the best ones. They're not final. It's a step on the way. Nothing is final death. Yes. IJoshua Spodek 42:58  was just gonna say it's just a min until death. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. SoAri Gronich 43:04  yeah. so fascinating things about you. I just want to break up the tension a little bit. You spent time in Manhattan off the grid.Joshua Spodek 43:17  So I'm not quite off the grid. I intend to get off the grid. I'm working very hard at it. And so I have over there my battery, but I haven't even gotten the solar panels to attach to it that I think I can I think I can pull it up the next 12Ari Gronich 43:29  to 24 months. Yeah, I am. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So that plan is in is in motion. It's in motion. So where are you now with it? And why did you decide to do it? I mean, I remember talking to you about the minimalist in this simple life, right, and how happy you are. And people are really looking to get happy these days. So, you know, tell me why you chose this as a way to simplify your your happiness.Joshua Spodek 43:56  It's been a long process, when I was a kid, I would never have thought of like, less, you know, I definitely thought you know, whoever dies with the most toys wins. And I had a friend whose parents were richer, and I was always trying to catch up with all the stuff he was always getting computers and cameras and stuff and and then, you know, one of the early stages is wall behind me that has a blackboard used to be all books. And getting rid of the books was really hard. It took several iterations and probably a year of first getting rid of the really books I knew I'd never read again, and then getting rid of ones that are a little more interesting, but not really that interesting. And then eventually getting rid of like the big books that I really cared about, but knowing I, I didn't eat them. And that's a whole process that people can go through on their own then. And there are various different things that I do over time that I've come to associate getting rid of unnecessary things as bring as creating freedom. Yeah, getting rid of like my marathon medals. I got rid of those. I was like, oh, as soon as I got rid of I was like that was a mistake. Like that was they're irreplaceable. But then later, after a couple years of regretting it now You know what? I'm glad that I get rid of them because I ran. I mean, I came in like 10,000 plates. It's like, no one knows who came in second Timothy two. What's his name? The guy one knows it comes in second for if it came behind Michael Phelps, right, right. I came in 10,000 place second. Like it's pretty far from second. So what's so big about these things. And then after that I ran a couple more marathons. And so I had these other these other medals I was like, now I know not to get them in the first place. It's hard to get rid of something once you've acquired it and start getting those connections to it or attachments to it. But I put on Craigslist, free put up on free for on Craigslist. And some guy can't pick them up. He wanted some other stuff that I was offering free at the same time. I said, Oh, I'd love to metal. I was like, what do you what the metals for anyway. And it's like, oh, his girlfriend was training for her first half marathon. And he wanted to give it to her as like a show of appreciation for that and motivation to go for the full marathon. So I'm so happy that this is getting used for something more. So cool. That's cool. ThenAri Gronich 46:08  I just released like, I think 1500 conference IDs. You know, the little things you have and your IDs with your name on them for constant conference you've ever been to? Yeah, I think I just cost about 1500. How did it feel? felt great. Yeah. Before you did it were like all what if I regret it? Oh, no, I saved them. For years, I was planning on putting them in a in a like, Curio thing I wanted to display like, look at all this stuff that I did, right to grow and learn and like, proud of them. And I spoke here and I spoke there. And then I just was like, now it's time. Just gotta go. And it feltJoshua Spodek 46:54  so good. So these experiences, I mean, there's all sorts of experiences like that. And the more I've done it, the more or there's definitely things I reflect on, I'm like, No, keep this one. And recently that happened, I was like I there's something I was going through. I was like, I gotta go through this once for the last time and get rid of it. I'm going through I was like, oh, at least one more time after this. And okay, so about a year and a half ago, I was reading an article about how other cultures, they refrigerate less than they, Vietnam in particular, they ferment a lot. And they don't refrigerate so much. And you know, I'm sustainability is a very important thing for me. And you know, there's a big challenge with wind and solar are intermittent. So sometimes they can't provide power. So one way to address that is to become more resilient. So I was curious, as individuals as a society, we don't really value resilience so much we talk about it, but we don't value it too much. So I wondered if I could, what if I had to go without power? What if I, so I unplugged my fridge for a while. And I ended up making three months that time. And I had no idea. I could do it. And but then from meditation I was it stopped being about what I was giving up. And it became what I was adopting. And that was last winter. This winter, I went did it. And actually now I think today, tomorrow marks six and a half months that my fridge has been unplugged. And I would have thought was crazy. But I keep learning more about how people used to mean refrigerators been around what 100 years, humans have been around for what 300,000. And I'm eating better. It's really, I'm very surprised at this. And when I realized that when I got an electric bill $1.70 I got to $4.70 the last one's $1.40 I'll see what the next one is. I was like I want if I can go off grid, it was really just stumbling into following my nose to in the direction of acting on my values of stewardship to see where it would lead. I didn't I didn't think like let's go off grid. But now that it not I'm within striking distance of it. I'm like, let's see if I can do it.Ari Gronich 49:14  I like how you said acting on my values. How often do you see people who do not act on their values? And the question that I would have for you is what are the tricks or the things that have made you strong enough to act on your values? While most people would talk about sustainability? I'll give you al gore as an example. He's flying around on private jets, his house takes up more electricity than like seven other residential properties, right? Not that now at least that was like 20 years ago, but that you get the idea right? Some people act on their value. Some people just talk about them. So how do you get to a place where acting on them is your default.Joshua Spodek 50:02  Well, this is the eternal challenge of life. I mean, acting on your values, values, what's evaluate good, bad, what? To actually evaluate means to do what you think is good. And maybe different than other people's values, but your values, but and that's in conflict with with what's easier often, or what everyone else is doing. So the more that you act by your values, the more than let me speak personally, theAri Gronich 50:24  more that I act on my values, the more that I improve my life, improve, make more good. And one of the things that you told me you did is you stopped flying.Joshua Spodek 50:34  Yeah, although that came after. Right morning packaged food. Right.Ari Gronich 50:38  And you said that that helped your life, which most people will find interesting, because your travel for a living? SoJoshua Spodek 50:48  yeah, that Well, I didn't originally choose to stop flying totally. I originally chose to go without flying for a year. expecting it to be a horrible year. I at that time, I felt like I'm taking one for the team. But I gotta find out. This doesn't sound sustainable. All this flying? Could I get by without it? I was surprised after two, three months of it. That, again, it wasn't what I was getting rid of it what I replaced it with, which is much more community connection, spending more time with family having more control over my career, I would have thought it'd be the opposite. I think I'd spend less time and family have less control of my career. And when I didn't have the option of flying, I was able to create more of those things, not less. Sort of construction. I was not too loud. It's all right. This should be the unidirectional. So it's all right.Ari Gronich 51:45  No problem. So what are,Unknown Speaker 51:50  you know?Joshua Spodek 51:52  Oh, I'm sorry. And again, it's practicing the basics. It's really starting with the simpler things. If I had not challenged myself to go without packaged food for a week, there's no way I would have gone for not flying. And the packaged food I also thought was gonna be you know, I live in Manhattan. It's like great food everywhere. And am I going to say no to the best chefs in the world, or you know, some of them. And again, that that pattern that I described with the flat with the not flying happened with the food too. It's not that I I don't feel like I'm missing out on restaurants now. Because when I go to the farmers market, it's just this cornucopia of like right now over here I got the strawberries are the season in New York, I haven't had strawberries in 10 months because they weren't in season. But my joy of strawberries is greater now than it was before. Now that experience with the strawberries with farmers markets instead of restaurants. That experience on a small scale, gave me the gumption to try it on a bigger scale with the flying. But even the avoiding packaged food on that scale that came from other things before that. So I didn't practice in the basics, play my scales. Got it. SoAri Gronich 53:10  deprivation leads to happiness.Joshua Spodek 53:17  I wouldn't say that it's a if I had to pick anything, it would be more like Jocko willing, he said some discipline equals freedom. So it looked like deprivation. But it was living, my value was stewardship. My value was leaving the earth better than I found that my value was not polluting other people's air that they breathed. That was the value. From that value flying doesn't fit. It doesn't work. Now that benefits the flying benefited me. So now I would say it felt in retrospect, it felt it looks selfish to me what I was doing, but I want to see the Eiffel Tower, I want to say Machu Picchu. Okay, some people. Now I would say people have been displaced from their homes to drill for the oil. 9 million people died in 2019 from breathing air from breathing that air didn't know that came out the back of you know vehicles. And I'm grossly simplifying here. Right. So the question was, could I live by value of stewardship to other service to others, even when I felt like but I'm gonna miss out on the Eiffel Tower. And this is the answer to your question you asked before is how do you do what you think is right, even when it's easier not to is you practice new practice in practice? That's what I've done. And it's worked out for me so far. I believe that I'm happier now than I've ever been. I believe that I'm more effective than I've ever been. And I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything.Ari Gronich 54:51  That's awesome. I i've been simplifying my brain a little bit with having a son and As I, as I'm listening to you again, you know, so glad to talk to you because I definitely create a structure. And I've told my son, you know, like, the more structure you have, the more freedom you have. And the more discipline the more you're able to, you know, discipline yourself and focus, the more time you'll have. So I try to give him the consequence, good or bad to the action, you know, as my way of being in leadership to him. But it does sound like like, the idea is to really challenge yourself to live the value that you speak. And this human condition is full of contradiction. And what do we do with the contradiction other than play with it and practice, like you say, you know, you got to practice focusing, if you want to be able to focus, it's not something that you're born with, you got to practice it. You got to practice learning to play piano, right? Got to practice leadership skills. So where are ways that people can can? Like, I know you have a training program that you use for leadership. So tell us a little bit about that. I don't normally do promotion, but I just felt called to ask you.Joshua Spodek 56:29  Okay, well, I also want to comment that there are plenty of things I've tried, that didn't work out. Yoga comes to mind, I did it for a couple years, I really loved working with my instructor. But ultimately, it's just, that was not it didn't hit for me. And there are plenty of other things that I try. I was like, you know, that's not right. So it's not like this is like a non stop path is lots of wrong term, not wrong terms, but you know, explore explorations that don't pan out. So and there's also a video that comes to mind, I call this the most boring video online, if you if you search for it's like LeBron James practicing for an hour as him with the trainer. And he is just practicing, like, he dribbles a bit. He does, like a whole bunch of free throws a whole bunch of whatever different stretches and things. There's, I don't think they even I don't think they even talk. So it's really boring. But you've seen him play. I mean, he does spin moves and crazy stuff on the court that like you can't imagine he doesn't actually practice those. He practices the basics. And that's how you get those things. It's an you know, when I dance, I took dance lessons for a while. I like it, I'm glad it did. I'm not gonna become a dancer. But I remember Oh, salsa, and I kept asking, like, what about the spin moves all these spin boots, I wanted to spin moves, and the instructor kept saying it's the feet, you got to get the feet, right. It's the rhythm. So my rhythm was terrible. And, and eventually, I was like, Oh, it's in the feet. And it's really, the more you do these things, the more you get back to these very basic things. And a lot of what I do is really giving people very basic skills. And the more you practice them, the more that the the what the shine is the thrills that not the thrills the fancy stuff comes if you practice the basics, if you don't practice the basics. It's pretty tough. And some of the basics are a lot of like, my book has four units, understand yourself, lead yourself, understand others, lead others. And it's a progression. And each set of exercises is different. Like understand yourself is more reflective, introspective, lead yourself is more getting advice from people, disciplining, applying discipline so that you can put these things into practice. lead others is much more about what we're talking about earlier, is making them feel comfortable sharing what motivates them so that you can connect that to the tasks so that they act on intrinsic motivation. And, you know, for the different types of each skill has different types of exercises to help build those things. And if that's too glib of an answer, or too high level,Ari Gronich 59:17  yeah, no, not at all. No, it's, it's a perfect answer. So how can people get ahold of you if they'd like to? chat with you?Joshua Spodek 59:25  So JoshuaSpodek.com everything's there. In the upper right corner is the links to the books and the TEDx talks and to contact me. I mean, I'm on I'm on social media, but it's, it's much more of the blog and the podcast is where I put most of my stuff out. Absolutely.Ari Gronich 59:41  Thank you so much for for coming on. You know, I am a I'm a believer that in order to create a new tomorrow, we have to challenge ourselves like a lobster in its shell. You know, you got to break free from one shell before you can get to your next shell. It's not comfortable, it's not easy. But if we have more conversations that explore these kinds of, you know, topics, then we'll get to a deeper truth. And that deeper truth, my hope is, will help to activate people's vision for a better world so that they can truly lead themselves and lead others. And, and we can change the world together. So I really appreciate you being on here. So thank you very much for coming.Joshua Spodek 1:00:29  Thank you for having me. I hope that I think I said things that I think me in the past would have benefited from different people may resonate or not, but I hope I hope for some people at least, that we things that we shared, help them further their path.Ari Gronich 1:00:44  Absolutely. Thank you so much. And this has been another episode of create a new tomorrow, I've been your host Ari Gronich with Josh spodek. Thank you so much for coming on. And remember, we're activating your vision for a better world. So what are you going to do today, tomorrow and next week, to really live your perfect life. Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. If you'd like to take this information further and are interested in joining a community of like minded people who are all passionate about activating their vision for a better world. Go to the website, create a new tomorrow.com and find out how you can be part of making a bigger difference. I have a gift for you just for checking it out and look forward to seeing you take the leap and joining our private paid mastermind community. Until then, see you on the next episode.

Hi, I am here with Joshua Spodek, He is a three-time TEDx speaker, #1 bestselling author of Initiative and Leadership Step by Step, host of the award-winning This Sustainable Life podcast, and professor at NYU.He holds a PhD in astrophysics and an MBA from Columbia, where he studied under a Nobel Laureate and helped launch a satellite (having emerged from some of Philadelphia's most dangerous neighborhoods). He left academia to found a venture to market an invention that showed animated images to subway riders between stations.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY JOSHUA SPODEK FOR MORE INFO:https://joshuaspodek.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.#Podcast #health #Education #CreateANewTomorrowJoshua Spodek 0:00  You can rely on authority if you have to, and what is authority? If not, the ability to hurt someone, if they don't do what you tell them to do? Well, that's almost an invitation for them to undermine that authority if they can, because I don't want you to hurt me. If I don't do what you tell me to do, but if you can find out why I if you can find something, a motivation inside me that you can connect with a task, then I'll want to do it for my intrinsic motivation. That's what I really work on. That's not very well taught in school. And, and yet, it's not that hard to teach.

Hi, I am here with Chase russell, As Founder and CEO of Russell Aviation. he have made his mission to build a company around service and excellence. Providing affordable private flights, on an unscheduled basis from their home base in Punta Gorda, Florida to Anywhere in the Southeastern, U.S and the Caribbean. Their pricing structure is what sets them apart from the countless other private air charter companies available. He aim to change the private charter experience by offering cost-friendly flights while staying true to the luxury of flying private!CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY CHASE RUSSELL FOR MORE INFO:https://russellaircharter.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.#Podcast #health #Education #CreateANewTomorrow++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:07  Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow, I'm your host Ari Gronich with me today I have Chase Russell, I am not going to do my normal, spectacular introduction of Chase, because he's just, you just can't do it with this guy. I mean, from wars, and combat to owning his own plane company at 25. I mean, you can't explain the path that this young man is on to shift and change the world. So Chase, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself. And kind of one of the the main things that makes you who you are and what and do what you are doing and why.Chase Russell 0:58  So I'm chase Russell and I, I'm an Air Force veteran, I did two tours in Afghanistan, and I did one in another in the Middle East for a year long stint. And I decided to get out of the military and said, Hey, you know, I always wanted to be an entrepreneur, I wanted to go into business. I loved aviation. So let's let's start a private airline. And at the time, I was unaware that you could start a private airline. And most people say that to me, they're like you. I didn't even know you could just do that. Apparently, you can. And that's, that's good news for me. Man, I was like, what's going to be our niche. So our niche is making private charters affordable. So everybody wants to fly privately. But it's extremely expensive. And I was like, it shouldn't be that way. And so we started building the premise of Russell aviation, and we built it on the premise of an affordable private charter. And it's really taken off, since I've got out in 2019. And I'm excited for the future of it.Ari Gronich 1:55  So let's get into it. Us policies and politics, the foreign policies, especially, you've been a contractor, you've had to go to war you've been overseas, you've had a lot of time to spend studying this particular topic, right? Absolutely. So So tell us is what we're doing very efficient.Unknown Speaker 2:25  I don't think the way I see it, okay, I've spent a spent the majority of my adult life in the Middle East. I like you said, I worked as a contractor. I worked in the military over there. So I've seen both sides of the fence on this. In the short answer, no. It's not effective in any way possible. You can't fight though the way I say it is you can't fight ideology with with bombs, you know, that you're not going to change someone's mind by by blowing up their town or by, you know, assisted suicide, whatever you want to call it. It's just not how it works. I mean, anybody can agree with that. I think the way I look at it, it's just not it's not effective. The way we went into it's not effective. I'm sure there's a there's a much deeper cause behind the reason we're in Afghanistan. But as far as I don't, I don't negate the fact that there's a lot of people there that they're, they're there because they were told to be there and they have a job to do. Okay, I was in the military. I understand how that goes. And I appreciate that. And I'm not gonna sit here and say that the the war in Afghanistan is a shamble. But it's been going on now for for decades. I mean, I know, people that their dad fought, and now they're fighting it, you know, and that's, that's not how it should be. It should be operated. Whether you pull out completely of Afghanistan or anywhere in the Middle East, I don't know. But I mean, the general rule of thumb is they don't, they don't really want you there. The Middle Easterners don't want you there. We wouldn't want Russians on our soil. So why would Why would they want us there?Ari Gronich 4:07  You know that it's a funny thing. The whole concept to me, of borders, and territories and things are it's kind of a distasteful thing to my humanity. And I'll just share with you why and then I'll let you kind of go but I'm Jewish, right. So there's right now a lot of Israeli Palestinian fighting.Unknown Speaker 4:37  AndAri Gronich 4:39  the media is sharing what the media shares which is not the truth in any way, shape, or form. And so I take it from from a perspective of what's in a border and in a border in the nature of a border is division between two sides between two kinds of cultures between two kinds of people. To me, what we've done in the US should be the prototype for the world. However, as far as integration of culture, however, the way that we do it is such a bully ish way, it's going to be our culture, or nobody's right? It'll be the culture we create, or nobody else's. And that's what division and borders do to me, in my head. So, you know, like, if I look on a satellite image of the world, there are no lines separating states, right? There are no lines separating countries, there is no, no natural reason for creating territory's borders other than we're not comfortable being around people who are not exactly like us. So I wanted you to talk a little bit about that.Unknown Speaker 6:10  I think if you if you look at the history, I mean, let's let's talk on the borders for a minute, you know, let's look at the history of it. prior to World War One, you had the Ottoman Empire, the Persians, you know, after World War One, they decided, hey, let's just draw a bunch of borders, if we're talking about the Middle East and Europe, and that's where you see a lot of this division. That's where you see a lot of this. And then of course, with Israel 1948 when when Israel became a state, but you're you're right, and you're accurate in the sense that there's no you can look at a satellite image, and there's no borders, you know, but it's, it's an it's an understood goes to an understanding of cultural norms.Ari Gronich 6:48  Right? I think that, for me, the issue becomes this concept of, they're coming over and taking from me, right. So when I was in Greece, during the Paralympics, for instance, all I heard from the Greek people was about the Albanians coming over and stealing the jobs reminded me a little bit about the US concept of the Mexican people coming over and stealing the jobs. And then I was in another country, and they were talking about a different country that was coming over and stealing the jobs, right? Like, every country has people who want to be there. And some who could be not there. Right. And I guess we're where, where that division comes from, is that we are a global planet, most humans tend to roam, we are roaming people we like to explore, we like to adventure, we like to see new things. And I think that part of the division in our policies are the division that we've placed with borders and stopping people, in some ways and respects from being able to freely travel the world. And when they don't really travel the world, you don't get to experience other people's cultures in a way that's like, that's the predominant culture that you're experiencing different from your own. Right, and therefore we don't understand each other's cultures, we don't know the same language of each other's cultures. And so we don't tend to want to be friendly with other people. And I think that that's part of our specific foreign policy. And I'm not sure whyUnknown Speaker 8:40  people are afraid of the unknown. That's I think that's a lot of the issue that you're hitting on is people are afraid of the unknown. All right, everybody's terrified of something they don't understand or don't know. And then it's one thing that I, I'm very fortunate that I've been able to get out of the United States, I've been able to go experience other cultures and I'm the type of person that when I get to another culture, I immerse myself in it and I become, I become whatever you know, form you need to become because that's one respectful and to you're going to get a much better view of the culture. For instance, I, I was in Haiti, after the earthquake, I did a mission down to Haiti. And I speak I was learning French in high school, and I was very, I was really in love with learning French. So when I went down there, I didn't speak in English. I spoke nothing but French the entire time. And I was I think I was 17 at the time. And that's been just an amazing cultural change and shift in my life, just from that one trip that I did down there and got to you know, you'd learn so much more about the people when you can connect with them and I, I had never, I had never been to Haiti. I knew nothing about Haiti when I got there other than they spoke French and I easily became a Haitian. I'm not saying I am but I'm just saying like It was it was amazing. And it was fun. And they really accepted that and they were really respectful. Same, that's kind of all the sound.Ari Gronich 10:07  Yeah, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna add one to the determination. So we've got plan, action steps, we've got determination, I'm going to add one to it for you. And that's resilience. and resilience is probably one of the most important pieces to being an entrepreneur, and to making a difference in the world in general, because you're going to get kicked, you're gonna make have missteps, you're gonna have things that get in the way. And your ability to be resilient. And bounce back is always the most important thing. One of my sayings is, if you're not dead, it ain't over. So you're not done. I tell people, you can't fall off the wagon, you're not on a wagon, you're in life, you're in a body or you're in until you're dead, you're still on. And so at any moment, at any second, at any millisecond, you can make a decision and a choice to change the course of your life forever. And that is really awesome. ThatUnknown Speaker 11:17  No, I agree with that. 100% the resilience side of things. In that kind of goes back to my there's positive motivation, negative motivation, you know, something bad happens to you just look at it like, okay, cool, something bad happened to me, that's gonna motivate me to do better take a different route or take a different path, you know, whatever it is. And if something positive happens to you celebrate it for a minute, move on to the next thing, you know, and the more you start to celebrate the negatives, the more you're going to start to realize that they're not really negative. That's what's crazy about it is the more you stop looking at things negatively, and the more you start building a positive mindset and manifesting what you want in your life. And you start saying, you know what, that didn't go the way I wanted, but I learned something, you know, there's a mill, for instance, my company, we did a sales strategy, my first, you know, draft of my sales strategy. It was terrible, absolutely terrible. And I spent so much time on it. And I worked and I stressed and I, and at the end of it, I was like, This isn't gonna work. I went to my mentor, he's like, this is terrible, and good for him. You know, that I'm very fortunate to have people that do that for me. But it was it was terrible. And I was so upset. I was like, I can't believe I spent so much time on this, but and it's terrible. But it led me to an even better strategy. And it led me to rethink and relook at things and hypothesize and question and have a general gray area. And I wasn't so certain on one thing, that I was blinded by by everything else. And that's, you know, you got to look at it as a positive. And even if it's a negative, it's still positive as you learn something.Ari Gronich 12:56  Yeah. So here's where I, I'm going to just kind of add a guess, again, is, with the gray area, we've been talking a lot about gray area, and there being no black and white. And here would be my caveat for for people in general, the audience to think about is nuance lies in the gray area. But your decision lies in black or white, the gray areas, the fence that you gather your information on, but it's not the fence that you want to hang your hat on. You you get the information, and then you make a decision one way or another. And then you just go Okay, did that work? Did it not work? Why? Why did it work? Why did it not work? So you can you can have the Meyer decision,Unknown Speaker 13:46  your decision should be fluid, I think to to add to that, I think your decision should be fluid, you know, it's like writing a paper, a research paper, you know, you've read out this rough draft, and you just throw all your all your ideas on a piece of paper, right. And then once you read the final report, you know, a year from now, that final report might need to be revised, which is why in most news articles, there's amendments, there's all kinds of things, you know, it's the same thing you've written all your ideas down, that's your gray area, take that information, make a decision. And then you know, you need to be subject to altering that decision to Don't be so dead set.Ari Gronich 14:20  Always reassess you know, and as a as an A person who trains Olympic athletes, right? When I come up with a plan, we've got six months for you to get to where you need to be in competition. how we're going to do that we're going to create the plan. It's going to be a six month plan. But every marker, we retest, we reassess are we meeting? Are we meeting our goal? Are we meeting our goal? are we are we not? Oh, what are we what do we need to do to get back to where we are meeting our goal because the competition is there. You don't have a choice on the time, right? You just got to do what you got to do to get there. And that's the same thing with business. So if anybody in the audience here wants to go take a private flight with you, how can they get ahold of you?Unknown Speaker 15:08  So yeah, on the business side of things, you can go over to Russell Russell air charter.com, you can find us on Facebook at Russell aviation and on Instagram at Russell aviation as well. And then I'm on LinkedIn, Chase Russell, feel free to connect with me, I love chatting with people and getting to know other people and their stories. Awesome. IsAri Gronich 15:27  there anything else that you'd like to leave the audience with?Unknown Speaker 15:32  Um, you know, just, if you're looking to start something, and you think, wow, that's way too big, or that's way too big of a goal, or you're looking at somebody else, your neighbor, your friend, your buddy, your wife, ex wife, whatever it is, and they're doing better than you in life. Don't think like that. Your life is your life, and you get to live it the way you live it, nobody's on the same time table. Okay, just because I'm 26. And I'm starting this or someone's 46. And they're starting something else that doesn't make anybody any different. It's just a matter of taking the time, the mindset and growing yourself. And I think people that take the time to grow themselves and grow and foster a mindset of self motivation. Those are normally the people that that have the positive things come at them when they're not even doing anything. That's one thing I've learned since starting this business is, you know, if you put out a positive energy, you're going to get a lot more positive energy tenfold back.Ari Gronich 16:35  Absolutely. Well, thank you so much for being here. It was, it was a pleasure to have you on. I know that the conversation does not always take the prescribed route. But But as long as as long as the audience gets, you know, tips and tricks and ways to move forward, I'm a happy camper. So I really appreciate the deep conversations versus surface one. So thank you so much for helping me to create a new tomorrow and activate people's visions for a better world so that we can all live the life of our dreams. Thank you so much for being here. I appreciate it. Thanks so much for having me.

Eric Malzone is a podcasting machine with over 600 plus interviews on three different podcasts. He's also a crossfit master, used to own a couple crossfit gyms. He's competed in crossfit games and he is really a major influencer in the fitness and health industry. *Episode Highlights* *Eric* [00:04:34] I wish I had a mentor earlier on that. Show me that. But I did. And so I just got the first job I can take, which was a sales job. And I sold recruitment services. And for a period about nine years, I sold a lot of things. I sold radio ads, I sold real estate finance, I sold legal publishing. And, you know, as the years went on, I got pretty good at it and made a decent living doing it. And there is definitely advancement opportunities. And there is kind of a moment around 07, 08, where I was sitting in a a national conference for our company and I was looking around and I just started my mind, started to wonder, what if I stay here and actually just presented on something as well? And I was thinking, man, I stand here. What's going to happen to me in the next ten years if I stay in this corporate track? And a couple things. I realized that I'll continually drive my sales managers or whoever my V.P., whoever. It is crazy because I don't do things the way other people do them. *Eric* [00:09:24] Well, why don't we go? Great. Let's do it. Why don't we go move to a bunch of mountain towns? So I was like, oh, I love you. Great. Let's do it. You know, with trials and tribulations and net gain, the business is sold and exited successfully from those poor little cash in the pocket. Nothing life changing, but allowed us for the next chapter of our life. So we started hitting the road. We went through the Northern Sierras, up through Oregon, up through Washington and up to Vancouver Island, start coming back down with the goal of spending the winter in Whitefish, Montana. So we made it there barely by the winter, had a rental. *Ari* [00:13:23] That's awesome. So this is a shorter kind of more like your blitz, right. So I have three kind of questions that I'll that I'll ask you about. But you've interviewed now, around 600 people. There must be some kind of theme, too, to those interviews. Everybody's in the fitness industry. So what is the overriding theme that you've seen both as far as obstacles as well as what it really, really works like nitty gritty? This works and it works a lot vs., you know, trial and error. So kind of give us a little bit of fear for all the fitness enthusiasts and trainers and people in that industry. What things have you seen as overwriting, you know, similarities between all of your guests? *Eric* [00:15:14] I mean, I mentioned to you over a three year span, I had four businesses I would consider non successful. Right. They made money. They're profitable, but not to. My standards were successful. But that's OK. I just keep on marching on because I know it brings me one more failure closer to success I want. So I think that's freedom is people who have a good relationship failure tend to be more successful in the long term. Hands down, flat out. No questioning that. *Ari* [00:15:41] So Fail Forward Fast is a statement that a lot of people have made in the self-improvement and entrepreneurial movements. And the faster you fail forward, the further you're going to get anyway. So you're on cheaper. Forward use. You say you've had four failed businesses, but because of your ability to pivot and adapt, you've been able to make those failures into successes in life. Right. So tell me, what are some of the successes that you've seen from some of your clients, some of the people that you've been able to coach? *Ari* [00:18:27] So, you know, it's kind of interesting because I relate what you just said back to some of the broken system in health care and fitness and life, which is where a lot about procedures versus results. Right. And so the more we think that, the more we do. Well, the the better we should get as a result. But if we're trying to get south and we go one hundred miles north. The result is that we just did a whole lot of extra work. Going in the wrong direction. So it wasn't the procedures that mattered. It was where we were going. The goal that we were trying to achieve. So that's what that reminded me of when you were when you were saying efficacy versus efficiency, because so many times a business man, person who's trying to lose weight or anywhere in between get healthy in any way. There's so many procedures that we try in order to try to not do the hard work of doing the thing that's going to get us the goal right now. So how many quick fix pills can you try before they fail? When you could have been done, had you just put a little bit more effort into the planning and the processing of of that goal, right? *Resources and Links* * *https://level5mentors.com/* * *https://www.futureoffitness.co/* * *https://www.facebook.com/eric.malzone.7* *https://www.fitnessprofessionalonline.com/author/emalzone/* * *https://CreateANewTomorrow.com* * *https://www.facebook.com/arigronich* *Full Transcription* *Ari&EricMalzone1.mp3* *Ari* [00:00:01] Has it occurred to you that the systems we live by are not designed to get results. We pay for procedures instead of outcomes, focusing on emergencies rather than preventing disease and living a healthy lifestyle. For over 25 years, I've taken care of Olympians, Paralympians, A-list actors and Fortune 1000 companies. If I did not get results, they did not get results. I realized that while powerful people who controlled the system want to keep the status quo. If I were to educate the masses, you would demand change. So I'm taking the gloves off and going after the systems as they are. Join me on my mission to create a new tomorrow as a chat with industry experts. *Ari* [00:00:40] Elite athletes thought leaders and government officials about how we activate our vision for a better world. We may agree and we may disagree, but I'm not backing down. *Ari* [00:00:50] I'm Ari Gronich and this is. Create a new tomorrow podcast. *Ari* [00:00:59] And welcome back to another episode of Create a New Tomorrow. I am here with a good friend, Eric Malzone. *Ari* [00:01:06] He is a podcasting machine. Over 600 plus interviews on three different podcasts. He's also a cross fit master, used to own a couple cross fit gyms. He's competed in crossfit games and he is really a major influencer in the fitness and health industry. So I welcome Eric. I really appreciate you coming on and tell us a little bit about yourself and how you got started and what made you become you. *Eric* [00:01:39] Yeah, thank you. All right. And first of all, I didn't say this prerecording, but you look amazing. *Eric* [00:01:45] I haven't talked to you or seen you in, like, a year, year and a half. And, man, you look vibrant, healthy. You've obviously dropped a couple LB's. And I just want to bring that up to the audience that you've had quite a transformation yourself. *Eric* [00:02:00] So I just want to acknowledge that you look really good, man. *Ari* [00:02:03] Oh, thank you so much. Yeah. One hundred forty two pounds. *Eric* [00:02:08] I feel like I want to interview you now, but I guess I'm the one on the seat, right? *Ari* [00:02:12] Yeah. Today I've. I've been on your show. I've been on two of your shows. Fitness Splits and your future fitness. Now we'll do your new show actually. So but yeah. Go talk about. Talk about yourself. Bragg a little bit *Eric* [00:02:27] Yeah. Yeah, man. Well, thank you for that. I appreciate the platform and I always go back. *Eric* [00:02:32] I've never been across the games. I never qualify for those. I was kind of local competition guy. What I would call the perennial fourth place finisher who never made the platform. So I'll just start that. But yeah, my story, man, I guess, you know, tried to keep it too condensed, will form. But I've. I'm originally from Northern California, so I grew up in the Silicon Valley before. It really was a Silicon Valley to do it myself. I'm forty three now. So when I was born 76, I hadn't really done anything was orchard's. I got to ride my bike everywhere. It was easy. And then all of a sudden tech. Right. And then. All kinds of different migration into the valley, which really booms. I mean, give you an idea numbers. My dad bought the house and I was born for a little over one hundred thousand. When I looked on Zillow the other day is worth three point one million. So talk about significant change in an area. So I grew up there. I've been. I got into swimming competitive swing at an early age, mainly because I had really bad asthma. So it was the one sport that really strengthen your lungs. Loudy, breathe clean air. And it's really good for me. But I took a liking to it. I end up being a competitive summer for a long time. And more importantly, that springboard me into the sport of water polo at right around age 10 or eleven, which I played for over 20 years through high school, through college, on club teams after that. And so I've always been. Athletic, right? Always want to be part of a team that's part of my nature. That's part of my background and I'm grateful for that because it really did really improve the quality of my life. It still does today. So after college, I went to school back east. When I came back, it was nineteen ninety nine. The dot com bubble had just burst. So that coveted job at any dot com was no longer available. *Eric* [00:04:21] I see you laughing because you remember what a case study that was. Right. So I kind of it was tough. I couldn't find gig. I didn't know what I want to do. I didn't really understand entrepreneurship yet. *Eric* [00:04:34] I wish I had a mentor earlier on that. Show me that. But I did. And so I just got the first job I can take, which was a sales job. And I sold recruitment services. And for a period about nine years, I sold a lot of things. I sold radio ads, I sold real estate finance, I sold legal publishing. And, you know, as the years went on, I got pretty good at it and made a decent living doing it. And there is definitely advancement opportunities. And there is kind of a moment around 07, 08, where I was sitting in a a national conference for our company and I was looking around and I just started my mind, started to wonder, what if I stay here and actually just presented on something as well? And I was thinking, man, I stand here. What's going to happen to me in the next ten years if I stay in this corporate track? And a couple things. I realized that I'll continually drive my sales managers or whoever my V.P., whoever. It is crazy because I don't do things the way other people do them. *Eric* [00:05:30] And also, I didn't really like what I saw myself down the road as far as health, as far as enjoyment of life, as far as chasing a paycheck. And it just it dawned on me, I realized, hey, I got to start I got to start figuring something out. So I started doing a lot of things. I start testing for fire departments, start looking at how to start a business. All these things. And serendipitously, in 2008, I got a text message from an old college teammate, and his name's Trevor Boehm, who's doing magnificent things now. And it just said, hey, man, do you want to open a gym? And he know and I've been doing Crossett for a while at Jacqueline's grandson's gym. Kristen Laine is only in fitness in San Francisco. He had been doing Crossfit for a while and he Petron Extreme and L.A. Fit at L.A. Crossfit and he and I just sat there and his back in T nine texting, remember that? So it wasn't like a flat board. So I was like I had a beer. I remember as I was in San Francisco, I had a beer and I wrote back. Yes, this is it. This is this is the opportunity I how do I get to work with a friend to build something in an industry that's growing? I get to do something that I really enjoy. And so we pulled the trigger. I picked up everything, left San Francisco, but everything in a trailer drove down to Santa Barbara, California, where we designated was a spot. We wanted to open the gym because back then it was a wild, wild west. Everyone was putting their stake in the ground of different territories. And, you know, I've never been to Santa Barbara. I didn't know anybody in Santa Barbara, but it seemed like a great place. Right. Seen on TV shows. And so we opened this little thing called Crossed the Pacific Coast is an eight hundred square foot studio. And this was in 2008 09. *Eric* [00:07:12] So once again, it was like another, you know, economic crisis we are going through, which, you know, we didn't have much money. We were bootstrapped completely. No banks were loaning us money, that's for sure. So we did everything kind the old fashioned way. And this was before really social media took place. Right. So we just started walking around, introducing ourselves to people or getting to know other local businesses, trying to spread the word. And you get one client and two clients and three clients. And over a period of a year and a half was pretty touch and go. But as the economy picked up, Crossett start to get popular, the phone started ringing or ferral start coming in. And we grew and it was great. It was a really exciting ride. And over a nine year span, what I believe is probably going on the more the premier Gym's on the central coast to California Crossfit affiliates and. *Eric* [00:08:02] It was going really well. *Eric* [00:08:03] You know, I think I was investing in another jam that was opening. Was helping guide that process and then 2016 head and. It was rough, man. We had, you know, over a span of a year. It started off with a good friend, suicide to us being pregnant and losing the pregnancy. Lay in that kind of. Turns out wrapped up are a chance to have a family of our own with our own kids. My wife's father passed away at the age of 62 of a heart attack just done over at the end of the year. Our dog died. *Eric* [00:08:39] So it's just a really poor year. And through all that stress and struggle, because there is a lot of it is very dark. Something changed. My chemistry changed. And I call it like, you know, it went from, hey, let's do some things. Let's do this thing some day, too. What if we did it today? So when I came home one night and I told my wife, Hey. We always talk about living in a mountain town, right? You're from. She's from Brazil. Like you want to learn how to ski. *Eric* [00:09:09] Right. We talk about all these things. What if I sold the businesses and. And we just we found a mountain town move there. And she's like, first of all, are you effing with me? Because I know how much this business means to you. I'm like, I'm not. *Eric* [00:09:24] Well, why don't we go? Great. Let's do it. Why don't we go move to a bunch of mountain towns? So I was like, oh, I love you. Great. Let's do it. You know, with trials and tribulations and net gain, the business is sold and exited successfully from those poor little cash in the pocket. Nothing life changing, but allowed us for the next chapter of our life. So we started hitting the road. We went through the Northern Sierras, up through Oregon, up through Washington and up to Vancouver Island, start coming back down with the goal of spending the winter in Whitefish, Montana. So we made it there barely by the winter, had a rental. *Eric* [00:09:57] And, you know, over the next two or three years, we kept going to other places and coming back, coming other places, coming back. And now we're we're very excited say that we plants roots here and we're gonna be here for a bone at home. And it's it's been a really exciting ride. *Eric* [00:10:13] And as far as business on that side of things over last year has been really interesting. And you've been kind of caught me in critical times, too, which is interesting that start out the digital marketing agency with my buddy Doug went OK. I think we both realized that it was a bigger task at hand and we didn't quite have the right formula. So we disbanded that. And I started a couple of mastermind groups and started a online slack community for fitness entrepreneurs, did a bunch of different things. But what I always started doing, it wasn't intentional. I've actually been doing it for 10 years was was coaching entrepreneurs and business owners started one started two very casual agreements like, hey, just pay me when you can or don't pay me at all. But I loved it. And it took a little bit of noticing to realize that that's actually what I really enjoy doing. And when I cross my travels up through British Columbia, I came into contact by chance and through a mutual connection with a gentleman in Canada trucco who owned a very successful he's been a very successful entrepreneur, bunch of successful exits, been coaching gym owners, hundreds of gym owners. And, you know, I was happy to be in the same town. He had his mount home. And when my someone said, hey, you should look up, Ken. Yeah, maybe I will. And ten minutes later, I got off that conversation. I got a text like, Hey, it's Ken, you should come over. I was like, What? This is nuts. So I did. And I came over and hung out his house for a while. We drank some bourbon. We talked about fitness and our stories and what we wanted to do, road some four wheelers, and really kind of bonded and decided that, hey, at some point we're going to work together. *Eric* [00:11:56] I'm just not sure what that looks like yet. And took about six months to figure out what that looks like. And now we're full fledged and level five mentors and it's growing. It's great. We're we're doing one on one mentoring for entrepreneurs. We're doing consulting and advising for for larger brands. And it's really exciting. We're starting to bring on new associates now, too. And of course, we didn't mention this. I've also been doing a little bit of podcasting. *Ari* [00:12:21] The podcasting the thing that you've been doing is no small thing. *Eric* [00:12:26] Yeah, it's just. *Ari* [00:12:28] You have three. *Eric* [00:12:30] Yeah, I have three. Too active future fit is still active. *Eric* [00:12:34] We're about to not. We're knocking on the door of 200 episodes. I did the fitness blitz radio, which was shorter, 50 minute interviews did about 360 of those. And now I just kicked up the Black Time and podcast this month, actually just did the official launch for it. So that's first month. It's going to be pretty good. I'm pretty happy about that, but I love it, man. It's funny because I don't even think about it as work. I just enjoy it. It's my favorite part of the day. I could get on conversations with people like you and just talk forever and it just doesn't feel like work. I guess I don't even worry about the numbers in my shows. I really like to focus on the learning that I attain, the natural curiosity that I'm blessed to have, and the relationships I get to form with my guests as well are really important to me. So yeah, man, I've done a lot. Almost six hundred total. *Ari* [00:13:23] That's awesome. So this is a shorter kind of more like your blitz, right. So I have three kind of questions that I'll that I'll ask you about. But you've interviewed now, around 600 people. There must be some kind of theme, too, to those interviews. Everybody's in the fitness industry. So what is the overriding theme that you've seen both as far as obstacles as well as what it really, really works like nitty gritty? This works and it works a lot vs., you know, trial and error. So kind of give us a little bit of fear for all the fitness enthusiasts and trainers and people in that industry. What things have you seen as overwriting, you know, similarities between all of your guests? *Eric* [00:14:25] So are you talking in the context of, like, business or what gets success for, like, the end consumer in their fitness goals? *Ari* [00:14:32] Yeah. Mostly the business side. *Eric* [00:14:34] Business. *Eric* [00:14:36] Well, everybody gets stuck. You know, I think we all get stuck in doing the things that keep us busy and never really get lost. Occasionally we'll get on track with things that are productive. But that that's a big thing is is getting stuck. I also think, you know, speaking overarching entrepreneurial ism is that someone's relationship is critical to advancement. That's just not a non entrepreneurship. That's even in one's fitness, even in one's life. Failure is the learning process. It's not to be necessarily sought out, but it's. *Eric* [00:15:11] Don't be afraid of it, like if you're just going to fail. *Eric* [00:15:14] I mean, I mentioned to you over a three year span, I had four businesses I would consider non successful. Right. They made money. They're profitable, but not to. My standards were successful. But that's OK. I just keep on marching on because I know it brings me one more failure closer to success I want. So I think that's freedom is people who have a good relationship failure tend to be more successful in the long term. Hands down, flat out. No questioning that. *Ari* [00:15:41] So Fail Forward Fast is a statement that a lot of people have made in the self-improvement and entrepreneurial movements. And the faster you fail forward, the further you're going to get anyway. So you're on cheaper. Forward use. You say you've had four failed businesses, but because of your ability to pivot and adapt, you've been able to make those failures into successes in life. Right. So tell me, what are some of the successes that you've seen from some of your clients, some of the people that you've been able to coach? *Eric* [00:16:22] Yeah, yeah. I think on that, I think the first thing. *Eric* [00:16:31] That people need to focus on is how they manage, first of all, understanding. Thinking about how you think it is a big thing. *Eric* [00:16:39] How do you approach problems? Because you're always going to run into problems. And, you know, Ken and I actually just just talked out of this this particular topic yesterday. So it's fresh in my mind. As you know, I I always look at the way I prefer to do business because I'm very lifestyle oriented and fitness professionals will understand this. What is the minimum effective dose for business? Right. What is it that you can. What is the how do you get the result you want with a minimal amount of work and effort and time? *Eric* [00:17:09] And that means you got to think you got to think on that. You don't just get do. People will always associate busyness with hard work and productivity. *Eric* [00:17:19] It's not the case. And that's been a model for my life, is understand difference between efficacy and efficiency. Efficiency means just like how many things can you do per hour efficacy as well? What's the end result? Right. If I can pick up the phone to make one important phone call every hour and that gets me closer and I want to be versus 50 phone calls in an hour and maybe get me where I am. You know where I'm going. That's right. And I think that's the thing. And where you got to focus on. Which means that you guys spend more time thinking than doing. And you've got to focus on the win. W I n what's important now? What is the most critical thing in my business right now. And that thing usually solves one of two things, which is a who or what. So understanding that. You know, I think that Abraham Lincoln, if you give me six hours to chop down a tree, I'll spend four of it sharpening my ax like that's that's the kind of thought process you need when you're building your business. Like, hey, let's pump the brakes here. What if. What kind of collaboration can I search for? What kind of system can I implement? What is it that I need right now? And then how do I solve it? *Ari* [00:18:27] So, you know, it's kind of interesting because I relate what you just said back to some of the broken system in health care and fitness and life, which is where a lot about procedures versus results. Right. And so the more we think that, the more we do. Well, the the better we should get as a result. But if we're trying to get south and we go one hundred miles north. The result is that we just did a whole lot of extra work. Going in the wrong direction. So it wasn't the procedures that mattered. It was where we were going. The goal that we were trying to achieve. So that's what that reminded me of when you were when you were saying efficacy versus efficiency, because so many times a business man, person who's trying to lose weight or anywhere in between get healthy in any way. There's so many procedures that we try in order to try to not do the hard work of doing the thing that's going to get us the goal right now. So how many quick fix pills can you try before they fail? When you could have been done, had you just put a little bit more effort into the planning and the processing of of that goal, right? *Eric* [00:19:57] Yeah, totally and all. Here's one thing I believe whole heartedly to be true is that no matter what, in any kind of business or whatever you're in, relationships come first. If you focus on strong relationships and being a person who adds more value than you take in return, you're going to see success. If you just that basic principle in life, Ray, like always be seeking add more value than you take in return. It's from Bob Berg and the go getter who he's now become a friend of mine. And I think that's if I was gonna go back and say, hey, what's the fundamental thing that would be? Leads you to success would be a relationship of failure and in focusing on relationships first, because you never know where to go. *Ari* [00:20:37] Absolutely. Well, you know, I really appreciate you being on. *Ari* [00:20:41] I'm going to ask you same thing I ask everybody at the end of the conversation is give us give the listeners three actionable steps that somebody can take today, tomorrow to implement in their life that will move them forward, even if it's just a little bit. But we'll start that process of moving somebody forward. *Eric* [00:21:02] Yeah. I guess if there is one that I would start with is had that uncomfortable conversation that, you know, you need to have. Because it is a weight on your boat that is dragging you down. Every day, whether you know it emotionally, physically, physiologically, do something. *Eric* [00:21:27] Find what you truly enjoy. Pursue it every day and know how much sleep you need and get that every day. *Ari* [00:21:38] Awesome. Sleep is very important. *Eric* [00:21:41] Everything. *Ari* [00:21:42] It's it's incredible how, you know, how often do you hear some of these big wigs say things like, I only need four hours of sleep, two hours. *Eric* [00:21:52] Nonsense,. *Ari* [00:21:54] And then you'll see them heart attack and crash a year later. You know, and sleep, we recognize, is probably one of the most important things we can do for our physiological health. And our mental health keeps us from sleeping for two days. And you'll find out who they really are. Right. *Eric* [00:22:13] I mean, my know, my wife and I have never had kids, but when I see the transition of when people have their newborns, it's like I trying all of you right now, I'm going away to your kids four or five. So I'll see you in a few years. *Ari* [00:22:29] Awesome. Well, thank you so much, Eric. I really appreciate you coming on. And this has been another episode of Create a New Tomorrow. Look forward to having you guys join us again. Thank you so much and have a good day. *Ari* [00:22:45] Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. *Ari* [00:22:52] If you'd like to take this information further and are interested in joining a community of like minded people who are all passionate about activating their vision for a better world, go to the Web site, createanewtomorrow.com and find out how you can be part of making a bigger difference. I have a gift for you. Just for checking it out. And look forward to seeing you take the leap. And joining our private paid mastermind community. *Ari* [00:23:16] Until then, see you on the next episode.

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Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.#Podcast #health #Education #CreateANewTomorrow++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:00  I'm Ari Gronich, and this is create a new tomorrow podcast.Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host Ari Gronich with me today I have Chase Russell, I am not going to do my normal, spectacular introduction of Chase, because he's just, he just can't do it with this guy. I mean, from wars, and combat to owning his own plane company at 25. I mean, you can't explain the the path that this young man is on to shift and change the world. So Chase, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself? And kind of one of the main things that makes you who you are and what in do what you are doing and why.Chase Russell 1:06  So I'm chase Russell and I, I'm an Air Force veteran, I did two tours in Afghanistan, and I did one in another in the Middle East for a year long stint. And I decided to get out of the military and said, Hey, you know, I always wanted to be an entrepreneur, I wanted to go into business. I loved aviation. So let's let's start a private airline. And at the time, I was unaware that you could start a private airline. And most people say that to me, they're like you. I didn't even know you could just do that. Apparently, you can. And that's, that's good news for me. So yeah, I got out I started putting the business plan together, I started, you know, really getting in, dive in and intricacies of how to operate an airline how to get a part 135 charter and all of that. Man, I was like, what's going to be our niche. So our niche is making private charters affordable. So everybody wants to fly privately. But it's extremely expensive. And I was like, it shouldn't be that way. And so we started building the premise of Russell aviation, and we built it on the premise of an affordable private charter. And it's really taken off, since I've got out in 2019. And I'm excited for the future of it.Ari Gronich 2:15  Nice. So you're what 27 now,Chase Russell 2:19  I turned 27 on Monday, Memorial Day, soAri Gronich 2:22  really, your your day happens to be the day after mine. Really good for you. Yeah, I'm 30th your 31st I think that's pretty cool. So what are you going to do today? Yeah, what are you going to do for your birthday?Chase Russell 2:41  Um, I have family coming into town. So when we hang out with them, I've got a few I've got I've still gotta keep working. So I've got a few meetings to get to. But you know, I'm gonna hang out by the pool. I'm down here in South Florida. So I beach day, maybe? I don't have anything planned. I kinda, my birthday to me is kind of just, it is it's a day, but you know, I gotta keep working. So,Ari Gronich 3:04  absolutely. So let's get into it. Us policies and politics, the foreign policies especially, you've been a contractor you've had to go to war you've been overseas you've had a lot of time to spend studying this particular topic, right? Absolutely. So So tell us is what we're doing very efficient.Chase Russell 3:35  I don't think the way I see it Okay, I've spent a spent the majority of my adult life in the Middle East. I like you said I worked as a contractor. I worked in the military over there. So I've seen both sides of the fence on this in the short answer No, it's not effective in any way possible. You can't fight though the way I see it is you can't fight ideology with with bombs, you know, that you're not going to change someone's mind by by blowing up their town or by you know, assisted suicide, whatever you want to call it. It's just not how it works. I mean, anybody can agree with that. I think the way I look at it it's just not it's not effective the way we went into it's not effective I'm sure there's a there's a much deeper cause behind the reason we're in Afghanistan, but as far as i don't i don't negate the fact that there's a lot of people there that they're they're there because they were told to be there and they have a job to do okay, I was in the military. I understand how that goes. And I appreciate that and I'm not gonna sit here and say that the the war in Afghanistan is a shamble. But it's been going on now for for decades. I mean, I know people that their dad fought, and now they're fighting it, you know, and that's, that's not how it should be. It should be operated. Whether you pull out completely of Afghanistan or anywhere in the Middle East, I don't know. But I mean, the general rule of thumb is they don't, they don't really want you there. The Middle Easterners don't want you there. We wouldn't want Russians on our soil. So why would Why would they want us there?Ari Gronich 5:17  Yeah, you know that it's a funny thing. The whole concept to me, of borders, and territories, and things are, it's kind of a distasteful thing to my humanity. And I'll just share with you why, and then I'll let you kind of go, but I'm Jewish, right. So there's right now a lot of Israeli Palestinian fighting. And the media is sharing what the media shares, which is not the truth in any way, shape, or form. And so I take it from from a perspective of what's in a border. And in a border, in the nature of a border is division, between two sides between two kinds of cultures between two kinds of people. To me, what we've done in the US, should be the prototype for the world. However, as far as integration of culture, however, the way that we do it is such a bully ish way, it's going to be our culture, or nobody's right? It's going to be the culture we create, or nobody else's. And that's what division and borders do to me, in my head. So, you know, like, if I look on a satellite image of the world, there are no lines separating states, right? There are no lines separating countries, there is no natural reason for creating territory's borders other than we're not comfortable being around people who are not exactly like us. So I wanted you to talk a little bit about that.Chase Russell 7:19  I think if you if you look at the history of I mean, let's let's talk on the borders for a minute, you know, let's look at the history of it. prior to World War One, you had the Ottoman Empire, the Persians, you know, after World War One, they decided, hey, let's just draw a bunch of borders, if we're talking about the Middle East and Europe, and that's where you see a lot of this division, that's where you see a lot of this and then of course with Israel 1948 when when Israel became a state, but you're you're right, and you're accurate in the sense that there's no you can look at a satellite image and there's no borders, you know, but it's, it's an it's an understood goes to an understanding of cultural norms. You know, if you look at the Curtis, the the Kurds, now there's, they're an entire ethnic group, and they have no place to be very, you know, they have really no land. They're their borders, and Mexico and Iraq, Syria, and a few other, you know, a few other places. But that's an entire ethnic group. And then let's do it on like a microculture aspect of Florida. For instance, people in northern Florida, people in southern Florida. That's it, we joke around in the military. That's two different states. It is two different states. It's northern Cuba, and it's southern Alabama, one of the two. You know, it, we've gotten so accustomed to the idea of solid, hard drawn borders. And it just expands into a global scale when when we are talking about it like this. So I don't I don't think that we should be looking at it like that. And what you're saying is almost in a sense of, and I hate to say the word, but like systematic racism type thing. It's almost like, you know, where we're drawing the borders is what's beneficial for this cultural group or this ethnicity or this person. And I, I'm not going to say I'm open border at all. I mean, I think there should be checks and balances, there should be a security, I don't leave my front door unlocked. However, I think it needs to be reformed, if we're if we're talking about people coming in and out of certain borders.Ari Gronich 9:26  Right. I think that for me, the issue becomes this concept of they're coming over and taking from me, right. So when I was in Greece during the Paralympics, for instance, all I heard from the Greek people was about the Albanians coming over and stealing the jobs. reminded me a little bit about the US concept of the Mexican people coming over and stealing the jobs and then I was in another country. And they were talking about a different country that was coming over and stealing the jobs, right? Like every country has people who want to be there. And some who could be not there. Right. And I guess we're where, where that division comes from is that we are a global planet, most humans tend to roam, we are roaming people we like to explore, we like to adventure, we like to see new things. And I think that part of the division in our policies are the division that we've placed with borders and stopping people, in some ways and respects from being able to freely travel the world. And when they don't really travel the world, you don't get to experience other people's cultures in a way that's like, that's the predominant culture that you're experiencing different from your own. Right, and therefore we don't understand each other's cultures, we don't know the same language of each other's cultures. And so we don't tend to want to be friendly with other people. And I think that that's part of our specific foreign policy. And I'm not sure whyChase Russell 11:19  people are afraid of the unknown. That's I think that's a lot of the issue that you're hitting on is people are afraid of the unknown. All right, everybody's terrified of something they don't understand or don't know. And then it's one thing that I, I'm very fortunate that I've been able to get out of the United States, I've been able to go experience other cultures, and I'm the type of person that when I get to another culture, I immerse myself in it and I become, I become whatever, you know, form you need to become because that's one respectful and to you're going to get a much better view of the culture. For instance, I, I was in Haiti, after the earthquake, I did a mission down to Haiti. And I speak I was learning French in high school, and I was very, I was really in love with learning French. So when I went down there, I didn't speak in English, I spoke nothing but French the entire time. And I was I think I was 17 at the time. And that's been just an amazing cultural change and shift in my life, just from that one trip that I did down there and got to, you know, you'd learn so much more about the people when you can connect with them. And I, I had never, I had never been to Haiti, I knew nothing about Haiti when I got there, other than they spoke French, and I easily became a Haitian. I'm not saying I am, but I'm just saying like, it was it was amazing. And it was fun. And they really accepted that. And they were really respectful. When I was in the Middle East. I was in Kuwait. And we went to the camel races. And the one thing I always want to talk to the kids, whenever I go to another place, I want to talk with the kids because kids get the most real perspective on everything. And you might not speak their language, but you know, even American kids, I can't understand half the things they're saying anyway, so it's just talking to kids, you know, and I've got two kids, I know how that goes down. But the point being is when you are accepting and respectful that that's what I think is lacking, it's just a matter of respect. It's a matter of just You're different from me you agree you don't agree with the things I agree with, or you might have grown up in a different culture but at least we have basic human things that make us the way we are. I mean, I have tons of friends that are different different ethnicities and me that grew up completely different from from me in the military. And a saying that we have in the military is there's there's no race in a foxhole, you know when it when push comes to shove, you're a man I'm a man, I don't care if you're gay, black, white, it doesn't matter. You got my door and all this together. And I was hoping and not to not to hit on the Coronavirus that much but I was I was thinking when Coronavirus hit. I was like maybe this is that one trigger that was going to be Hey, we're humanity. We're not Mexican, we're not European, we're not African. We're not African American. We're just human. I was hoping that it seems to me it seemed to go the opposite direction. But you know, sometimes, you know, faith goes that way.Ari Gronich 14:22  Well, you know, I think I think it is going the direction that you're saying I think it had to come to a certain head. You know, it's like it's like popping the pimple. You got to squeeze that sucker out of all its shit in order to get it clean. Right. And we can't do this race relation. We can't do this just hate policy in general, without pop in a few pimples without getting the shit out of the people who have it in them. And so I happen to have A hopeful point of view when it comes to what's gone on. Because I think that you have to destroy what is a little bit in order to make something new, just kind of a natural thing, you have a forest fire that burns down all the raw, you know, brush cleans, kind of for new growth, and allows for something new to pop up. And same way we needed the fires. I wish we didn't, you know, I wish the fire could be less physically painful. And emotionally. You know, I wish people would learn about other people. Right? So my background was, I'm Jewish, and Catholic, Peruvian Catholic. So very odd, right? Just a combination, you kind of got that? Well, it's two sides of guilt. Either way, you look at it. And then my parents lost their business when I was young. And they started practicing Buddhism to try to learn about this meditation thing, and mindfulness and stuff. And so they would take me, I'm nine years old, I'm going to practice Buddhism, I'm going to Hebrew school, I have the Catholic Church that I hear all over the place. And I meet this girl, and she lives on a reservation. And, you know, so I'm going to go hang out on the reservation, I'm going to study Indian and Native culture. And I get set. For me, it's such an odd thing, to not be curious about other people and how they feel and how they believe in what they believe in. Because when I put together all the pieces that I gather, it's like one jigsaw puzzle coming together versus when you just have that piece of your culture, you have an incomplete puzzle, that doesn't give you the right picture of what the world is. Right?Chase Russell 17:05  Yeah, no, I agree with that. I agree with that in the in the sense that, you know, I think if people were just more understanding, or you know, I think I think education really is the is a is a key to unlocking all of that kind of stuff is what you're saying right now is that, you know, you've had that you've had the fortunate, the fortunate, fortunate reality that you've been fortunate enough to really grasp a lot of cultures at a younger age and get that wisdom or that knowledge right off the bat. And I think what is lacking for Americans, for many people around the world, but I would target Americans the most is they don't understand that other people do it other ways. And they think that the way they do it is the only way to do it. And in you know, I'm not sitting here, bad mouthing Americans either. There are a lot of amazing Americans. But you know, if you really research into it, I use this example all the time, too. I talked to a lot of a lot of Christians, I talked to a lot of a lot of, you know, quote unquote, Christians that they just like Muslims, and having spent so much time in the Middle East, some of the best people I've ever met are Muslim. And there's a lot of people they've probably met veteran, amazing people that are probably Muslim, and they didn't even know it. conversations I've had at least 100 times I was like, have you ever read the Quran? No. You ever read the Bible? Well, pieces of it, but I've never read the Bible through and through I was like, so you're dead fast that you're correct on this, but you've never read the book that is written all about this. And you're telling me that you can't connect multiple different monotheistic religions. So the same thing, you know, people if they just under if they read the Quran, the crowds, an entire book of poems. It's an entire book of poems, and not to mention Muhammad was blind, deaf and mute. You know, he didn't even write the he didn't even write the Quran. But the point I'm getting at is it Muslims believe Jesus was real. You know, Christians believe Abraham was real. It's all in a timeline. It's all in the same thing. So it's, it's, it's amazing to me that we can as a Christian, or as a, you know, a Jew, you can just dislike an entire other religion when you don't even understand it.Ari Gronich 19:22  Yeah, it doesn't make any sense to me. And in fact, I think what you're kind of pulling on is that when we believe in something like if I'm a Christian, the predominant belief is that of love. And my question is, how can you love your neighbor as if he's your brother, if you also hate him? And then the other question is, can you hate and you turn that hate, which just is in my opinion, again, love Hate the same coin, different sides, but on it is awareness and the other is ignorance. Right? You love what you're aware of you fear what you're ignorant of. And so let me go to this. How do the policies that we've put into place further the agenda of divisiveness versus bringing people together in love versus the hate?Unknown Speaker 20:29  I don't think that policy's ever been about bringing people together. I mean, you can twist it, you know, the United States can twist it. However, they want to make it seem like it's humanitarian issue or this or that. If the US was really concerned about a humanitarian issue, they would be in Haiti right now, if there have been there, if they were really concerned about a humanitarian issue, they would be all over different places. But they're not they don't care. Not that they don't care. I'm not going to say that because I don't know. I'm not in their heads. But everything boils down to money, everything boils down to money, it boils down to and as a contractor, I realized that real quick, it boils down to who's going to get this contract who's going to make this money? How do we keep feeding this money? You know, and it's a military industrial complex, the policies are made to fund the military industrial complex. And if you don't, if you don't even have to look at the Department of Defense Department of State, you don't have to look at all of those things. It's all about power. You know, it's all about how do I control these resources? How do I control this region? Because I need something from it or anything like that. And I mean, it. Let's think about it this way. Again, look at the weekers in China. It goes back to that if we genuinely cared about people on a humanitarian issue Uighur Muslims are being slaughtered and sent to cotton. They're being sent to concentration camps. And it's public knowledge, like, but it's not getting any news. Well, it's not getting any news. The question is,Ari Gronich 21:59  is it public knowledge? And then the other question is, because it's not getting a news is, what does it take for the media? Do you think, for the media to begin telling the truth again, and I and I bring this to a to a specific reason, because I remember Walter Matthau. And I remember him saying, and that's the way it was. It wasn't math out wrong name. Walter Cronkite Walker. Yeah, Walter Cronkite, other guy. Anyway, Walter Cronkite. And that's the way it was, he would read the news, the policy of the government was that the news was not allowed to be for profit, it had to be a nonprofit division of that network. Because the policy was, if you are doing this as a for profit, you're going to only say the news that the for profit tells you to. So I look at the policies and I go, Okay, well, what are the policies? And I know you've done a lot of studying of of this specifically. So what are the policies that keep us divided? You don't have to go through all of them. But like, what are the systems? Let me go? What are the systems that are in place that keep us divided? And what do you think would be a mindset that would switch the people who are in leadership to a mindset of results versus the reaction to what is?Chase Russell 23:54  To answer your question, I mean, I'm not going to go into the exact specific bills that would probably be divisive, because that would take a very long time. However, one one thing that I've actually researched quite a bit and I'm a firm believer in is term limits. If you can take the incentive of career politicians away, and you don't have the lobbying Look, if you look at how much money is spent on just lobbying, lobbying the government if you had every two years you had to spend even more money to lobby a different candidate or a different you know, person. We would probably be in a lot better place it's it's effectively making your politicians work for you again, because politicians don't work for you. Okay, they don't work. It's for the people by the people as representative of the people. It's not real anymore. That's not a thing. Okay. It probably was never real to begin with. And 100% honest with you, it was probably never real to begin with. It was all about again, it goes back to the money aspect of it. money is spent on lobbying. There's a reason that people, there's a senator and I can't remember the exact name, but I wrote a report on them a long time ago. There's a senator that has been in the Senate for 46 years has never had a bill passed, explained to me how somebody can be in the Senate for 40 something years and never get a bill passed. He's never fostered a bill authored a bill. He's never done, it never gotten one passed. Okay, if you're an if that's not a waste of taxpayer funded money, I don't know what is okay. That's what the issue is, is we're just blowing money on things just because we can and if we don't, for instance, Okay, here we go. In the military. In the military, the way the budget works out, is if you don't use it, every Squadron or unit or Command gets a certain set amount of money, let's just for simplistic purposes, let's say a million dollars, if you don't use that entire million dollars, the next year, your budget gets cut. So what do you do on September 1, when the fiscal year ends, you blow your budget, is that I own a company, okay, I'm pretty good at finance, too. That's not good business. And then, you know, the further dividing, dividing thing is, it's incompetent, it's in direct competition on the private side of things. It's in direct competition with the private sector. If a government agency comes in, let's say, campsite, government agency comes in, they set up a campsite, and they're charging $2, because they're good, it's going to be subsidized by the government anyway, the private campsite down the road, can't match that they're going to lose money. So then the private campsite goes out, and all the taxpayer money is going into the private camps or the public campsite. It's just it's, it's it's a repetitive cycle of just nonsensical spending. Government that's wasteful. And then these politicians, they don't work for you, they don't care, they're going to get paid, or every single one of those politicians have been paid every senator, everyone's been paid this entire Coronavirus, your family and everybody might have been starving when they're getting paid. They didn't care they worked 86 days last year, you can look it up on, you can look it up on.gov on congress.gov, you can look at exactly how many days they were in session.Ari Gronich 27:12  Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm going to have a little disagreement about term limits. And with a caveat. Roosevelt is my caveat. The fact of the matter is, is that after four terms, he would have been elected again, because he was so good at what he was doing policy or no policy, whether you believe in it or not, like, you know, the New Deal, what whatever, he was so good at what he did, and so light that he was reelected again, and again. I think that people who are really good at their job, should not have to leave that job just because of an arbitrary term limit. However, if you're not doing your fucking job, you should not be doing your job. And here's the caveat to that is the people are too freaking busy, or lazy, or uninterested or an educated or whatever the case is, I don't know what the school system has done to civics to civil, you know, to a class about your civil and civic responsibilities. We used to have that in school when I was a kid. I don't see it regularly on a schedule nowadays, but we had this call of duty to our country because we were taught it. And so I don't think somebody should get the job just because they're the ones who keep going. And nobody else is really running after them of quality, because nobody's learned how to be a politician. But at the same time, you know, got to do your job people and us as the people have to be willing to hold them accountable. And that's the thing I don't think has happened in the last at least 40 years, is the people holding the politicians accountable. Because I think a lot of things are being done in secret. And so it's hard, hard to hold people accountable. When the policies that are being made like I'll give you an example here in Florida, there's a bill that was passed years ago. At the end of that beer bill, there's a paragraph about this big, so long bill, and at the end of that there's a little section that says it's now illegal, it's a felony to be a naturopathic doctor in Florida had nothing to do with anything else that was in That bill. And the only reason for it was because there's a lobby of a school that wanted to be the only school that gets to teach that particular profession here. So I guess what I'm saying is, there is people, and then there's government, right? Government is made up of people. And I hate it when people say the government, this the government that the government's doing out of control spending, the government's doing this, because it's not the government. It's the people who are running the government. And I think that that dichotomy that that separation of the cognitive dissonance of the government is this evil, big thing that's doing evil, big stuff. And the people are good, so the people should get the power back. Right? I think that that's a false comparison. Because we are the government, the government does not run without people. It would be a non thing.Chase Russell 31:18  So I agree with I agree with you in the sense that, you know, we we should be the government. But you know, let's go back to your your point about people are either too busy, or they're on educated or whatever it is, you know, there's multiple factors that go into this your school system, the education system in the United States, it's not meant to make you smart. It's not meant to make you That's why every you know, Ilan musk doesn't graduate high. That's why these people that think differently, they don't graduate college, they don't go to college, they don't, you know, they're under stimulated. You know, there's, there's hundreds of millions of kids that are on medications that they're meth, it's meth, I mean, let's be real about it. It's meth, it's an amphetamine. Okay? And they're, they're taking these and they're just getting drawn down and fogging into this, you know, system of be a good worker. And that's an old European system. Our education system is very old European system that's been used to train soldiers. Actually, if you look at the history of the education system, grades one through 12, the way we do it here in the United States, it's not meant to teach people I think there needs to be, I'm going down a rabbit hole on this one. Because there's so many points to hit on. But oh, no, no, that's fine. I do too. But I I've got going back to the education thing, though. People aren't taught to critically think people are not taught to solve problems. They're taught to follow instructions. I mean, think about everything you did in class, it was never, it was never, in this goes back to the 80s to the 90s. We're not you know, when I started school, the early 2000s. You were never given a problem and said, You know what, I'm not going to give you the directions to figure it out. You just got to figure it out. And that's what's wrong is most kids nowadays, and even when we were kids, I wasn't stimulated in school. I was good at school because I had to be because I, I enjoyed being good at things. And I could I, I'm not the person that can just fail at things. But I would go to school and I wasn't stimulated, my daughter's my daughter's the same way. She's eight, she goes to school and she can't just focus but you ask I she can literally recite exactly how GPS works. She literally knows what GPS stands for how it works and how it triangulates the whole night. She's extremely intelligent. But you know, you give her some basic math problem. And she's like, this is dumb, she doesn't find the purpose in it. And that's what's wrong is that you're not being taught to find your purpose. You're not being taught to find something that actually intrigues you. Whereas in history, it used to be like that we had great philosophers and stuff like that, that were taught to think critically. But that that hits on the education people are people are bombarded with with false information from the media, you don't know what to believe you have to dig and dig and dig and dig to find some relevant answer to your question, or find some policy and that is all by design. It's all by design. If you think for a second that all of these media outlets are not just trying to confuse you. And the education system is not just trying to make people dumb. They don't want smart people. Why would the education system want smart people they want a few smart people, but they don't want they don't want an entire population of smart people because the in this is a tobacco industry. RJ Reynolds This is exactly in their documents, the best consumers a dumb consumer. That's straight from their CEO. They want people to just follow instructions. That's why the education system was originally designed for the military. It was designed for the euro for a European country is a military tactic to train them to follow instructions. But I digress.You know, people are too busy. They're not they're not looking at this and then the right mindset of, I need to know who I'm voting for what I'm voting for. I know, hundreds of people and I'm not against Biden, I'm not against you know, any type of political figure I'm, I'm for who's what's best for America. What I am for is people being educated on their vote. I know tons of people that say, I'm pro this pro this pro this and then they vote for somebody that is not what they're what they're saying they're pro for. And I and I just asked him, I was like, you know, why did you vote for them one for this one issue. And if that's the way you want to vote, that's okay. But don't be upset when the rest of the issues are not being met to your standard. And then, you know, you're not happy about it. I think go into the term limits thing, though. I agree with you that term limits are not an answer at all. It's, it's by far the answer to all it's a mixture. It's a combination of multiple things at once. My my number one point with the term limits is ending lobbying. How do you end lobbying, and the only logical response to that would be term limits. Now, we look at term limits in the sense that you've got two terms and it's done. What if you can, you know, alter that in a sense that you've got two terms, you have a set standard at any other job? Imagine if you were an intern at the end of your internship, they're going to do a review board with you or at a job the first six months or 90 days or where they're going to do a review board with you. How did you do? Okay, you did pretty well, you passed XYZ bill. You know, okay, now you can run for another term, or no, you're you didn't meet your and that's gonna incentivize those senators to be like, Hey, you know, let's get this going. Let's work together. Let's, you know, because you want to get reelected. I want to get reelected. Let's work for our constituents. And I think it's forcing them to spend more time with their constituents. I mean, look at the Nancy Pelosi situation, for instance, during Coronavirus, everything's closed down, she's getting her hair done. It's rules for the and not for me. And that's what and that's why and let's hit on your government point for a second when people say I agree with you on that, that. People look at the government as an entity, and they don't look at the government as individuals that work for them, the government works for you. Not the other way around, the government doesn't get to tell you what to do, when to do it, how to do it. So the government works for you. And as an entity, if you look at them as an entity, it looks like a huge organization. But it's just a bunch of people that you fund that you pay their salaries, and they should be working for you. But with that being said, also, you know, you've got to really get a connection with your government that we need a we need a foster an environment that should be connected to their politicians that should be trusting their politicians, and not just trying to get a vote. We need to hold politicians accountable for things they say during campaigns that they don't follow through with I mean, how many times on the campaign trail, did Biden say he's going to give out free health care? Or he's going to give out a nice way to relieve college debt? And then he does it. And then he got your vote, though. That's fraud. Is that not fraud? That's the definition of fraud.Ari Gronich 38:27  Technically, truth in advertising does not relate to politicians. The truth and advertising Act does not relate to politician advertisements, which is really weird. But I don't know if the truth and advertising act is actually in effect, if there's anybody actually looking at that. And regulating it because we have a law that says truth in advertising. So you must tell absolutely the truth in all of the advertising that happens. AndChase Russell 39:05  yeah, but telling the truth, telling the truth and telling the truth and leaving out the truth. There are two different things. That's that's I mean, if you look at advertising itself, from a corporate standpoint, you can omit the truth. You just can't say actively against the truth. And there's so many ways you can word that to the legalities to get around that type of thing. And it's the same thing with with politicians. What I'm saying is is not necessarily making an illegal battle with politicians. I'm saying it's fraud, because it is the definition of fraud. However, whether it's going to be prosecuted as fraud, that's a completely separate story. What I'm saying is, is that people need to be more cognitive and not accept that what it is, is people are just accepting because that's just the way it's been. It's just a constant barrage, but it goes back to the education system. That's what they're taught to do. Right. That's what they're taught. Do just follow the directions, okay? If I'm my politician just completely lied to me and he got my vote. It's fine. That's what I'm told to do. You know, that's the let's look at I'm not anti mask, let's not play this, I, you know, I'm not gonna go down that route. But you know, the masks situation, I believe in personal freedoms, if you don't want to wear a mask, you know, okay, that's fine. If you do want to wear a mask, that's fine. If you do, I am a person that believes in personal decisions with people. Now, once they affect other people, then that's a different story. But you need to be held accountable for the thing that's America's gotten away from it's just being held accountable. And it starts with the politicians. They're not held accountable for anything.Ari Gronich 40:43  Yeah, but it doesn't start with the politicians, I think, because I'll give you an example. My brother's a school teacher. And his biggest issue is not with the kids, it's with the parents, because the parents don't hold their kids accountable. So if the kids aren't held accountable from that early age, they don't learn it to hold anybody else accountable. Right. So when the standards have become so low, like this country used to have the highest of standards, we wanted to be the best at everything. And then we got there. And we said, okay, we're done. Yeah, let's, let's do something different and redo all of our, you know, the things that got us there.Chase Russell 41:35  So here's the question, What changed? I mean, let's let's hit on the school topic for many years, or let's hit on the the children topic, because I'm obviously you know, I'm a father so that that's a route that I go down.Ari Gronich 41:47  Yeah. So in, I think it was the early 80s. The school, the standardized testing, became a little bit more important for the schools funding. So the school the money, yeah, so the schools decided that they needed to teach you enough to get you to answer a test, but not enough to retain the information. Right, the system itself, as a whole, began to regulate themselves towards a standardized test of information that 100% affected the funding of that school. And so you weren't taught critical thinking or how to think for yourself, because they needed to drill information into you enough that when they gave you the test, at the end of that week, you still remembered it, even though by the next Monday, I think it's somewhere around 80% loss of comprehension and retention of that information. And so my brother's his old teacher, as I said, and he's been rewriting the system to kind of make it more results oriented. But when we do that, we stopped critical thinking we stopped common sense, we stopped solution oriented conversations. And so now it's not, how do you find that answer out? It's, here's the problem. What's the answer? And that's it. Right? We used to have toChase Russell 43:30  think, do you think that that has had an effect on the way we communicate as as Americans? Do you think that the fact that you can't critically think okay, if I come to you for for instance, you just said a minute ago, hey, I disagree with you on this, I sat back, I said, Okay, let's listen to your point of view, I critically thought about it, I can retain that information. I can pick and choose what I need from that information, and then make a decision on my own. So the fact that the schools are teaching you to this is a get to be take test. Do you think that in the same sense, that that is affected the where we are now in America today, where you can't you can agree to disagree. That's, that's one of my main things is like you can't agree to disagree. That's an issue. You should be I should be able to sit right across the table from somebody that is completely opposite of me. And I value that conversation more than somebody that agrees with me. However, in today's society, and especially with the generations coming up is they've been just so fostered. And and you say in the 80s, so let's say you know, parents that went to school in the 80s and started that system, now have kids, and those kids are now going to the system. So those kids are getting it at school, and now they're getting at home. It's the first generation after this shift that you're talking about. And that's why in America we have such a political divide and there's no gray area for discussion. Everything is black or white, and I don't think anything is black and white. I think there's a gray area for everything. But that's my point on what you're saying. I didn't mean to cut you off, by the way.Ari Gronich 45:10  Oh, no, no, this is this is all about your show. No, I'm asking you questions. I value your opinion, I want I want that I want the conversation, the conversation to me is the most valuable part of, of any exploration, right? So my mom's a teacher. My dad's not a teacher, my brother's a teacher. But I was always taught in life. Question everything. Not in a disrespectful way. Like, why am I doing that? Mom? You know, like, I'm not quite, it's not that it's what is the cause? What is the purpose? What is the intention? what's, what is the root of this issue? And because I was taught that kind of thinking from an early age, everything that has come after goes through the lens. So, you know, I'll never say that I'm not racist. Right? Why? Because I know that if I critically look at my brain, right, I have innate reactions to things that are different, that are not conscious, their subconscious there in the background. And until I reveal that one thought, or that set of thoughts, I'm not in full knowing of who I am. So I can't rule any part of me out. Or say I am this, and that's what I am. Right? I can only say I am a work in progress. I am me, I'm a person. And so I can't understand that whole thing about hate,Chase Russell 46:59  and race. And my question with that, though, would be is is, you know, you say, I've never gonna say I'm not a racist. But if you have one of those thoughts or something like that, does that inherently make you racist? Or do that just give you a racial bias? I think that's a question. I think racism is I think we're mis mis judging the word racism for just a racial bias.Ari Gronich 47:25  I don't think it's a racial either. Neither is positive, right, by any means. And I don't think it's necessarily that but I was having a conversation a little bit ago with with somebody who used to be the president of her Black Lives Matters area where she lives. And I asked her a question, I was sitting in the shower One morning, meditating, as the water was pouring over me and I had this thought, and the thought was, people are scared of the dark. Is that why people are scared of black people? That was just the thought that popped in my head. It was questioning, people are scared of the dark at night is when people think all bad things happen. noises anything that's that's gonna getcha happens. Right? in the dark. in ignorance. In you know, we say ignorance is being in the dark. In the light is illumination is information as knowledge is some you know, so my inherent bias thought was, are we primal, the primal nature of the reptilian part of our brain? Are we designed to be afraid of dark? And is that a Bible thing is that a good bad thing is that everything that's good is white, everything bad is black. I mean, we've been trained with that our whole lives. If you look at cartoons from when we were kids, you know, the bad guy was always in black. The good guy was always white, right? So I was curious as to inherent bias, genetically training bias, like how our parents taught, taught us and it in general. But I notice that as much as I like to think of myself as an evolved human being who I've dated, outside my culture, my roommate for a while, was a Palestinian woman, who was like a sister to me, you know, and she and I would have amazing conversations. And so I also know that when I look at like Israeli Palestinian conflict, as much as I can be objective about what's going on, I still I still have a little bias, it's still and we don't know enough information to not have those in inherent biases act out. Like people know that Israel's been bombing, you know, Palestine, right. Yeah. lately. People know that Palestine kind of started it. But the result inequity is so great. Right. But they don't know what's going on in the background. They don't know about the water shortage in Palestine. And and, you know, they don't know about maybe some of the issues they don't know about some of the issues in Israel. They don't know, for instance, that there's 1.9 million Palestinians and Muslims living in Israel pretty peacefully and happily alongside each other. Yeah. And so they don't see that. So there's a inherent bias. And I hear it a lot with this conversation of either that the Israelis are this evil force that needs to be eradicated. Or they're this good, right. But those kind of black and white conversations is exactly against what you just talked about the shades of grey, the nuance. So how do we get the nuance out there so that people can get a sense of what reality is, versus those inherent biases?Chase Russell 51:22  Yeah, I mean, there's a, like I said, there's a gray area and everything, everything, there's a theory of gravity, I tell you, right now, if I dropped this water, right, now, it's going to hit the ground. But it's still a theory you don't know. Okay, you don't know every nobody will never know every aspect of the Palestinian Israeli conflict, they're not going to, they're not going to be able to see it. Plus, it doesn't sell, it doesn't sell. So even if you tried to research it as much as you possibly could, unless you have first hand knowledge of it, you're not going to understand it, you're not going to get the whole picture of it. The point being, and you just set it yourself is you got to change your own mindset about it, you got to change, you got to think about things in a different mindset. You cannot think about things black and white. And that's the number one factor is what's wrong is we've gotten to a point it goes back to the education system, it goes back to the way we are, we're raising up and training our children. To not objectively think about things you you detailed the scientific theory a minute ago, you detailed it, the who, what, when, why where How is this happening in? You're not questioning it? But you're theorizing you're building a hypothesis on whatever it is? That's not a question. It is a question, but it's not like it's not a smart aleck question. It's a question on I want to understand this. And I'm going to build a scientific theory. And that's the way you got to start looking at things when you're when you're dealing with this. And you have to object in it. It's there's so much information being slammed at people these days that you could spend every waking second running hypothesis on different things between the stock market or why the government is this or why this is happening. You could do it all day. You really could. And that's what the you know, since the 80s. Now to is it's just been a barrage of information that's been thrown at us. But to answer your question directly, you have to look at things as if there was a gray area, because there is a gray area. There's there's nobody the Israelis are not right, there's really choosing they're not right, the Israeli Palestinians are not right. Or the Israeli Muslims are not right there. The Palestinians are not ready, you know, Iran funding the Palestinians is not right, the US funding, Israel is not right. Okay, there's no right or wrong, there is just facts, and you get to make the determination on that. And once you start thinking about everything in your life, objectively, it stopped being so factual and so dead set on one answer to a question then you're never going to grow. That's what's wrong is we're not growing as people we're not becoming more intelligent as a people because we weren't taught to critically think first off. And it takes it took me I'm not gonna lie to you. I didn't think critically for a very long time. And the older I've gotten now, the more I The more I look at things very critically as if there's a gray area, but there are still a very large multitude of people who have never left it goes back to that you've never left the United States, you've never seen anything different. So you just think the way you do it as the way it is.Unknown Speaker 54:32  And thenChase Russell 54:35  you got to start thinking about things critically. That's that's the key to it, is just think about it like a scientific theory. Yeah.Ari Gronich 54:42  I love when people say this is the most beautiful country in the world who have never been outside of the country.Chase Russell 54:48  Because there's a lot of amazing things about the United States. I've been to some very bad places have been some very good places. There's good and bad about every place. Oh yeah.Ari Gronich 54:57  I mean, I'm just saying like, we have these beautiful majestic mountains. But have you ever seen the rainbow mountains in Peru? Or Yeah, equias Falls, you know, like, everywhere This planet is such a beautiful place. And I just like there's a part of me that just wants to say, feel free to roam around the planet, like when you're on a plane, feel free to roam around the plane, you know, take off your seat belts roam around, feel free to roam around this planet and learn about people learn about yourself, learn about cultures, because that's the juice of life. That's the color that life brings. And, you know, we're talking about critical thinking, and common sense. But the other part I want to bring up with that is the butterfly effect. And how do people begin to kind of play chess with their life and look at if I do this move? What's gonna happen, the 20 moves down the line, you know, if I poison the water, for instance, like today with one bottle, and then 20 more people come tomorrow? And then 100 more people like, what's the butterfly effect? What's the ripple effects of our actions? And how does that affect long term. And that's another part that with philosophy and philosophers that has kind of left the building, in a way everything is what's the immediate effect, the fast food effect, is what I call it.Chase Russell 56:33  We as a society, especially in America, we become so used to instant gratification, you can post a picture up, you get 1000 likes you get there is a lot of psychology, and I'm not a psychology major by but I've studied it quite a bit. There's a lot of psychology on the social medias impact on on young children, and it's positive and negative. Everybody knows there's positive and negative motivation. And if you look at suicide rates, for young girls, they're through the roof. Why? Because they're posting pictures, and they're not getting likes. And it's, it's it's deteriorating them from the inside out. There's so much instant gratification that just happens in the United States. And once you start getting that instant gratification, it's very hard to slow things down. Imagine if we all had to go back to dial up. Imagine if imagine that, imagine if we all had to go back to dial up.Ari Gronich 57:30  Yeah, it would ruinChase Russell 57:32  it would ruin us. But you know, 2030 years ago or whatever, none of us had anything but dial up. And then before that we didn't even have the internet. So it's hard to it's hard to reverse. It's hard to reverse change. It's hard to reverse innovation. Sometimes though, you need to reverse it, you need to reverse the instant gratification, it might seem good at the time, but it's not, it's not going to end very well. And it starts with that long term thinking and it it needs to be fostered by a form of wisdom. In a sense, it needs to be somebody or a group of people or it overall as a society, we need to foster a culture of wisdom, it's we need to foster that it's cool, or that it's popular or that there's a social norm, or perception to be intelligent is a good thing. What we've done as a society along with the social media is foster the Kim Kardashian ins and foster a society that favors the catch me outside girl, I don't know her name. But you know, that type of that's what that's what people are aspiring to be. And that's not that's not good. And it doesn't create a very forward thinking position for our culture in our society. And as far as that goes, I mean, look at look at debt. This is another this is gonna go down another avenue of how bad we've become as a culture for instant gratification. The credit card comes out the debt, the United States personal debt increases by like, I think it's 72% more every year, year over year 72% more And granted, take into account, you know, population increases, but it doesn't account for it would still be a 50 to 51% increase even with population, but people want everything now. They want it now. And that's good. I mean, it's good for a company because you know, you capitalize on the consumer, but it's not good for your mindset. It's not good for your mentality.Ari Gronich 59:51  The Wisdom is the key to that because you know, as you're saying, like Tick tock, for instance, you could be a tick tock millionaire like that. Right, but whether you know what to do with that money that you just made off the minute video of you flashing your your moves to, you know, a song that is popular at the time, and you get a million views and made money, oh my goodness, what?Chase Russell 1:00:18  Now what people don't people don't a lot of I'm not gonna say all people because that's a generalizing term, but there's a vast majority and a very overwhelming push in the United States and all over the world for that matter. That doesn't think long term, they don't they see money, you know, that's why most NFL players are most people that win the lottery, they go broke instantly why, you know, you can give a lot of people money, I can, you know, if I had a million dollars sitting in the bank that I just gave to somebody, that doesn't make them easily gonna go and be successful, because they're gonna blow it, if they don't have the right mindset, if they haven't educated themselves and the wisdom to what to do with it. And they're certain people, if I gave a million dollars to he would come back in or she would come back in a year, and I would have $10 million, you know, we need to create a society that values education, and that starts back again, with the education system, it it all boils back down to you need to you want to educate people, but we don't want to educate people, right, we want people to be done. And that keeps an elite power. And you know, that keeps a very select few that are educated and that do understand this and power.Ari Gronich 1:01:31  And this goes that goes back to the church, not wanting people to read because you know, you could only go through go to God through the the priest. That was back in the dark ages. But that was what that was what it was, is keep keep people ignorant, so that they don't know how to read thatChase Russell 1:01:49  even even even during Martin Luther, what you know, when the Protestant movement happened, that they didn't want people to read, they wrote the Bible, they wouldn't translate the Bible from Hebrew because they didn't want them to read it in English.Ari Gronich 1:02:00  Exactly. And then going out going coming back to, you know, us, right, the beginning, women couldn't learn, they weren't allowed to go to college, they weren't allowed to, you know, go to schools and things like that, obviously, you know, any race other than the white people, the British people now had had that. But we're going to finish this up with the end of this conversation. And that is the business side of life. Because you're 27, almost year old, who owns an airline company that now has, I believe, 12 in its fleet, you're driven your goals. I mean, you know, running for Florida, to be your Florida representative. I mean, you have these massive goals. And so what I was hoping that you'd be able to break down a little bit into small bite sized chunks, is the mindset that you use to come out of a war and go into a business and become an entrepreneur. And then the little mindset steps that you think people could use if they're looking and wanting to create a new tomorrow for themselves and activate their vision for a better world.Chase Russell 1:03:28  Yes, so I mean, coming out of the I wasn't always the person, I was in normal. I was a normal person, like I was a normal kid straight at high school. join the military, the military was an amazing thing. For me, it taught me It got me to see a lot of places, I got to see a lot of very bad places. A lot of places I don't really want to go back to. But I what really was a changing factor for me was being able to say there's negative motivation and positive motivation, but they're both moving forward. So taking anything that could happen to you negatively, and just using it as a positive, anything that could happen you positive taking it also as a positive. And using that so you know, when I was getting out of the military, I just took its little steps, you said it yourself. It's just the little steps, get a plan and take one step at a time. And before you know it you're you're going and going and going and going and going and it just doesn't stop and then while you're on that journey, you're simultaneously fixing yourself or you're simultaneously working on yourself. You might be in an amazing spot you might be in the best mindset of your life. But you can always get better and always having the humility and always having the just the the drive and desire to want to be better. And realizing Hey, I'm messing up here. I need to fix this. I need to fix that to having a mentor having some type of person To check you is always an amazing thing to have. And just really being able to look in the mirror and say, You know what, that's not what I want my life to be, I can't tell you how many times I sat and I was stuck in Kuwait. And I was like, I don't, this isn't what I want my life to be, you know, you got to picture yourself being better than you are every single day. And then you've got to outwork yourself. So when I, when I sat there and looked at myself, that's not where I want to be I it just started fostering this, every day I woke up, that's not where I want to be. Let's get to the next spot. Let's get to the next spot is far as starting the airline,Ari Gronich 1:05:42  I'm going to I'm going to stop you for a second. So there's two points that I want to make. Number one, he said, Make a plan. That was the first thing he said. So for the audience, making a plan is the one thing that most do not do. They set a goal, but not a plan to go with the goal. Right? He said a new year's resolution, but not an action step to go with it. So what chase just said is, number one, make a plan. The other thing that he said was, once you make that plan, start acting on it. And your goal is to challenge yourself to be better than you were yesterday, not to be better than anybody else. This is my caveat not to be better than anybody else not to you have no competition, other than yourself. And with your previous version of you that day. So I just wanted to kind of illustrate your two points back to the business yet,Chase Russell 1:06:45  no good thing you did, because I can ramble. But, you know, starting the business. And by the way, we have we're licensing to jazz we're doing a capital raise right now for the the rest of the jets that we're going to be adding to our fleet. But I just wanted to clarify that. Okay, um, so,Unknown Speaker 1:07:08  you know,Chase Russell 1:07:09  I thought starting airlines a huge that's a huge goal. And you're in your what you were just saying a minute ago is you gotta have a plan and have that goal. And you got to start building a plan that starts with the one step at a time, just build the plan, build a plan, even if you don't know the plan, there was a lot of things I didn't know, there's a lot of things right now, I don't know. But that goes back to the building yourself and building a an environment around you building an environment within you, that says, hey, I don't know this, but I have I have the confidence in myself, I have the discipline, I have the drive, I have the determination to just really teach myself as much a

Hi, I am here with Chase russell, As Founder and CEO of Russell Aviation. he have made his mission to build a company around service and excellence. Providing affordable private flights, on an unscheduled basis from their home base in Punta Gorda, Florida to Anywhere in the Southeastern, U.S and the Caribbean. Their pricing structure is what sets them apart from the countless other private air charter companies available. He aim to change the private charter experience by offering cost-friendly flights while staying true to the luxury of flying private!CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY CHASE RUSSELL FOR MORE INFO:https://russellaircharter.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.#Podcast #health #Education #CreateANewTomorrow++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Chase Russell 0:00  What you're saying right now is that, you know, you've had that you've had the fortunate, the fortunate, fortunate ality you've been fortunate enough to really grasp a lot of cultures at a younger age and get that wisdom or that knowledge right off the bat. And I think what is lacking for Americans, for many people around the world, but I would target Americans the most is they don't understand that other people do it other ways. And they think that the way they do it is the only way to do it. And you

Hi, I am here with Claudia Garbutt, She is a molecular biologist turned mindset & high-performance coach for ambitious, mission-driven entrepreneurs who want to shatter invisible ceilings and build their legacy.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY CLAUDIA FOR MORE INFOhttps://wiredforsuccess.solutions/about/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:07  Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host Ari Gronich. And today I have with me Claudia garbutt, all the way from Germany. She is a molecular biologist turned mindset coach for ambitious mission driven entrepreneurs who want to shatter invisible ceilings and create more inner peace, income and impact without sacrificing their health relationships or happiness. Welcome, Claudia, why don't you tell us a little bit more about you? And how, how you became a molecular biologist turn mindset coach. I mean, you know, this is this takes some explanation.Claudia Garbutt 0:53  says, Well, hello, and thank you so much for having me. And yeah, so this, this story is a little bit like, like a criss cross. So I never thought I would be an entrepreneur, I was no one of those people who knew exactly that they wanted to become an entrepreneur. So I really surprised myself here. also kind of ironic, because the thing that I hated most growing up was public speaking, especially in English. And here we are. So how do we get there? Well, after I finished university, all I wanted to do was this half as nice, comfortable job that was fulfilling, but paid well. And that left me enough time to enjoy my life. But guess what, as it turns out, it wasn't that easy to find a job like that. And I studied biology because I was driven by my curiosity, I wanted to understand how life works on every level. And this is still one of my major driving forces for my curiosity, I guess.But I've shifted my focus slightly. So I've had a couple of key experiences that's slowly but steadily shifted my direction and my focus. So the first one was definitely when I got diagnosed with leukemia at the age of 28. And this pretty much turned my life upside down from one day to the next. And I still very clearly remember my first reaction to that diagnosis, which strange as it may sound, was a sense of relief. And that was weird, right? Because at that point, I mean, who gets the diagnosis of a potentially deadly illness and things, huh. At that point in my life, I was just suffering from a major burnout. And being sick finally gave me the break that I was looking for. And to understand that, you have to know that I grew up in a family where everyone was always busy and working very, very hard. And you didn't just take a break, you know, breaks were for the lazy for the elderly, or well for the sick. And so I finally had the right excuse. If you want to take a break without feeling guilty about it, at least if you want to call going through chemotherapy a break. And it sounds so weird when I say that out. But that's often the case, when you talk about the things that hold us back from doing the sensible things, right. They make perfect sense in our heads. But when we actually talk about them, they sound ridiculous.Ari Gronich 3:37  You know, it's funny, because I would have from like age seven to 24, I would have died for a proper diagnosis, I would have, I would have been so happy that I got a proper diagnosis instead of you know, the years of not knowing what the symptoms were not knowing why they were not knowing how to fix them. So I totally understand, you know, the sigh of relief, when you actually know something is actually wrong with me. I'm not just making it up in my head. It's an actual thing. And now I can do something about that actual thing versus just, you know, throwing darts on a dartboard trying to figure it out. So I totally get that. But yeah, the most probably not a lot of fun.Claudia Garbutt 4:32  No, it wasn't. It wasn't fun at all. But it made me aware of the pattern that I was stuck in. And I think probably for the first time in my entire life. I just really had the time to think about things and I started to really question those beliefs that I grew up with. Like was it really necessary to work 24 seven, or is struggled noble or do I really have to fulfill everything anyone else's expectations. And it's just when you have something like a near death experience, this changes a lot, right? Suddenly you start quest, start asking the right questions, the ones that are really important, like, do I like my life right now? Or do I like the direction in which I'm going? Or what would I actually what would I regret regret not having done if I died right now?Ari Gronich 5:27  Yeah, I think the audience can, could relate to that. I think that, that probably 99.99999% of all human beings have things that they absolutely know they should be doing, and yet can't get themselves to do any of them.Claudia Garbutt 5:47  Yeah, it's, it's so easy to fall back into old habits, especially when you're stressed and you don't pay close attention. So I knew that at that point in my life, I needed to leave a toxic work environment, I needed to leave a toxic relationship. And I wanted to do, I wanted to find something that fulfills me. So I just for myself, I knew that in order to beat the cancer, I had to define those goals, and I had to take action. And that's what I did. So as soon as I got out of the hospital, I started to slowly but surely break up that toxic relationship. So I left the toxic work environment. And then I applied for a scholarship at the end of the world, in New Zealand. So I went to the other side of the world, I left everything behind, and I basically started a new chapter in my life, but then it was still You can't leave yourself behind. And then when you get to that place, and you think you have done so much, you get stressed again, and you fall back into old habits,Ari Gronich 6:57  it's really hard to to distinguish who we are from what we do. You know, like, I noticed that when when anybody really introduces themselves when you say Who are you? I am a chiropractor, I am a you know, therapist, I am a construction worker, it's never I am this, I am me, who does this thing, right? It's always I am that. So, you know, maybe that's part of what makes it so difficult to shift is the identity that that you place within that, you know,Claudia Garbutt 7:34  absolutely, like shedding your old skin or like, something like that, it's and you don't know, you're vulnerable, you don't know what's coming next. It was it was really, it was quite terrifying, to be honest. And the conclusion I finally reached was that the best option for me would be to build my own online business, because it allowed me to work flexible hours, and I would be location independent. And because my husband is from New Zealand, and we still he still has all his family on that side of the planet. And we moved back to Germany, so we were never quite sure where we would end up. Just having this flexibility is huge.Ari Gronich 8:19  That's, that's awesome. So let me ask you a few questions. I'm gonna I'm going to take this in weird directions probably so and just just letting you know, that that we might go off on some interesting tangents, but biology of, say a virus, right? We've kind of gotten to the place where we we've accepted in science that viruses are not alive. They're not living things. So how does a virus attack an immune system? If it's not living? Because most things that attack us are the things that are living? And have you heard the theory that viruses are all exosomes that are just part of our body anyway. And so I'm just kind of, I just wanted to, like said it's off on a little bit of a tangent, but I just wanted to check to see what what your thought is on that.Claudia Garbutt 9:32  I never heard of that. And I've also never really thought about it. So good question. I think the way it works is because we all have like DNA is sort of so the genetic code works universally. So if they if the virus attacks itself, it inserts its its genetic material, and if it's active inside yourself Well, then it's translated into proteins. And that starts a whole cascade. So it doesn't really have to be a living organism. But if you think about your genetic code as aAri Gronich 10:10  book, it basically inserts a chapter into this book, in such a mode of fear these days, because they don't understand because nobody is actually telling them the truth of what these things are. And so like, like, mindset, becomes this mindset of fear, this mindset of lack this mindset of isolation, rather than a mindset of I know what's happening, and I know the kind of the timeline that it's going to take for this to go. And, you know, there's not a lot of logic going on with, with people's experience of what's happening now, including, especially the news and media and all that stuff. And so I'm just kind of, like, how do we match because one to match the fear with reality, right? and lack of fear with reality. So this is just a way to, to bring that mindset into the molecular biology a little bit and what's going on right now. Because you've had to pivot quite a bit, I think, since this whole pandemic, right?Claudia Garbutt 11:17  Yeah, I've never worked with viruses. I've worked with bacteria, a lot of work with human cell lines and animal cell lines and that kind of stuff. I've worked on projects that were so it was basic research, or the last project I worked on was basic reach research into neurodegenerative diseases and figuring out what's going on in diseases like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's and that kind of stuff. So that was my area of research, or medical interactions between medic different medicines. So if you have an adverse drug reaction between different drugs, that kind of thing. So it was quite a shift.Ari Gronich 12:07  Absolutely. So you've moved into this world of, as we talked about earlier, homeschooling your kids, and doing this online thing. So give us kind of like, what's been your year like, in a nutshell, like, what's, what's this transition look like? And then what is the mindset that you had to have in order to do this whole mess without, like, pulling your hair out? Because you already had the chemo? So you know, you didn't want the hair out? So I just had it, how did you get through all of this with a mindset that, that you have, which is so positive, and I mean, you know, anybody who's talking to you or watching this right now can see in your eyes, the amount of joy that you exude in what you're doing? So,Claudia Garbutt 13:02  questions, I think when it all started last year, I was exactly at the point where I had just figured out exactly what I wanted to do and an offer, like, I had finally found what I wanted to do, and then the pandemic hit. Okay, is it wise to start all this right now at this point in time? And then I thought, Why? What do I have to lose? There's nothing I have to lose. So why don't go one go for it. And the last year has been really, really crazy, because we also started a huge side project. So a friend of ours, and so my husband and a friend of us. Together, we bought this huge three story house. It's an old house, and we've been remodeling to turn it into three flats. Well, anyway, it's a huge project, a huge renovation project. And it all happened at the same time. So we started homeschooling, we started this building project on the side, I started building my business. And then I also started building my podcast. So it was all happening in the same time. And had you asked me before, if it was possible, to do all that, while at the same time, still go for a run every day have some time to like alone time for my sanity, I would have said No way.Ari Gronich 14:27  Anything else that you'd like to share? We were going to wrap this up because I know you've got to go. But anything else that you'd like to quickly share anything that you're doing in the world that you'd like to share with people?Claudia Garbutt 14:43  Well, maybe the last thing I like to share today as if it scares you. It might be a good thing to try. I can't remember if who said that, but I've found that to be very, very true. If it scares you, it might be a good thing too. Try because it gets you outside of your current comfort zone. And when you get outside of your current comfort zone, great things happen. Because if you keep, keep being stuck and inside this stone and you keep doing what you've been doing all the time, you've, you will keep getting what you've always gotten. And that might not be what you want to get. So if you want to change that, try the things that scare you.Ari Gronich 15:27  Awesome, awesome. How can people get ahold of you? If they'd like to learn more?Claudia Garbutt 15:33  And they can find me all they can find my website, which is www.wiredforsuccess.solutions, or they can find me on Facebook, Instagram or LinkedIn.Ari Gronich 15:45  Awesome wired for success solutions.solutions. Yeah, not solutions. Okay, wired for success dot solutions. If anybody would like to learn more about Claudia, I highly suggest that you connect with her molecular biologist turn mindset coach. I mean, how can it get any better than that? Thank you so much for coming on. I really appreciate all the value you've given to the audience today. So thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me. My pleasure. This has been another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host Ari Gronich and I look forward to seeing all of you create a new tomorrow today and activate your vision for a better world. Peace and love.