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Dive deep into the world of workplace culture with Kristi Herold, author of 'It Pays to Play' and CEO of a company dedicated to integrating fun into serious business environments. Discover the transformative power of play in enhancing team engagement, productivity, and employee retention. Kristi shares her journey from founding an adult social sports league to navigating mergers and acquisitions and pivoting during the pandemic to foster workplace camaraderie. Don't miss the insights & anecdotes on building a culture where fun and serious business coexist seamlessly. Tune in to transform your workplace culture today!00:00 Introduction to Fun in Business00:18 Meet Kristi Herold: The Fun Advocate01:02 The Journey of Jam: From Sports to Corporate Culture03:02 The Impact of Play on Workplace Culture05:46 Practical Tips for Infusing Fun at Work11:04 The House System: A Unique Approach to Team Building13:57 Mergers and Acquisitions: Lessons Learned15:18 Advice for Entrepreneurs: Organic Growth vs. Acquisitions16:46 Reflections on Entrepreneurial Journey17:41 Lessons from College Pro19:37 Creating a Positive Workplace Culture21:45 Engaging Non-Work Activities22:55 The Power of Recognition and Onboarding23:39 Tailoring Play to Your Organization24:37 Culture Consulting and Team Building27:18 The Impact of Play on Workplace Dynamics29:16 The Humanizing Effect of Play32:34 Final Thoughts and Takeaways
Our guest this week is Dr. Patrick Schwarz, of Highland Park, IL who is CEO of Creative Culture Consulting, a public speaker, author of numerous books and an outspoken advocate for inclusive education for people of all abilities.Dr. Schwarz earned his BS, MS and PhD in special education from the University of Wisconsin - Madison. Dr. Schwarz is a dynamic professor, author, and motivational speaker renowned for his leadership in inclusive education, special education, and educational leadership.Dr. Schwarz has dedicated his career to transforming educational practices to better serve students with diverse support needs. His seminal work, From Disability to Possibility, advocates for inclusive classrooms that recognize and nurture the potential of every learner.Collaborating with Dr. Paula Kluth, he co-authored influential titles such as You're Welcome, Just Give Him the Whale!, and Pedro's Whale.Through global presentations and consultations, Dr. Schwarz continues to inspire educators to create environments where all students can thrive. And you can hear his story on this episode of the SFN Dad To Dad Podcast. Show Notes - Phone – (708) 912-9994Email – PSchwarz@nl.eduLinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-schwarz-55770717/Website - https://www.patrickschwarz.com/Books – From Disability to Possibility, (2006) https://tinyurl.com/mtxhphuu You're Welcome: 30 Innovative Ideas for the Inclusive Classroom (2007) https://tinyurl.com/3hbevvjmJust Give Him The Whale: 20 Ways To Use Fascinations, Areas of Expertise and Strengths to Support Students With Autism. (2008) https://tinyurl.com/mrw3sjj9Pedro's Whale (2010) https://tinyurl.com/49sfd8f4From Possibility to Success (2013) https://tinyurl.com/yeya7hsnHoward Gardner Multiple Intelligences - https://www.simplypsychology.org/multiple-intelligences.htmlRegister for the 6th Annual SFN Dads Virthual Conference on May 10, 2025: https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/TLkN_ViJTTqnaK-M8pHPNA After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the meeting.Special Fathers Network -SFN is a dad to dad mentoring program for fathers raising children with special needs. Many of the 800+ SFN Mentor Fathers, who are raising kids with special needs, have said: "I wish there was something like this when we first received our child's diagnosis. I felt so isolated. There was no one within my family, at work, at church or within my friend group who understood or could relate to what I was going through."SFN Mentor Fathers share their experiences with younger dads closer to the beginning of their journey raising a child with the same or similar special needs. The SFN Mentor Fathers do NOT offer legal or medical advice, that is what lawyers and doctors do. They simply share their experiences and how they have made the most of challenging situations.Check out the 21CD YouTube Channel with dozens of videos on topics relevant to dads raising children with special needs - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzDFCvQimWNEb158ll6Q4cA/videosPlease support the SFN. Click here to donate: https://21stcenturydads.org/donate/Special Fathers Network: https://21stcenturydads.org/
J.P. Nerbun is a bestselling author, leadership coach, and founder of TOC Culture Consulting, a leading global sports-consulting and leadership coaching business. His mission is to support leaders and their teams to achieve their full potential through 1:1 coaching, consulting, and community. In 2019, he published his first book, Calling Up: Discovering Your Journey to Transformational Leadership, which has received critical acclaim. In 2022, he published The Culture System: A Proven Process for Creating an Extraordinary Team Culture, a groundbreaking book offering a framework for developing team culture. In 2023, he launched The Culture System Online Training Platform, which has been praised for being one of the most applicable online coach educations available. His podcast, Coaching Culture, is one of the top sports leadership podcasts globally. Nerbun lives in Ireland with his wife and their three children. Today we talk around his latest book “Sports Parent Solution.” Show notes here
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This week, I have the pleasure of hosting the incredible Tiersa Hall, a true HR & Culture Consulting powerhouse. Tiersa is truly authentic and brilliant – a dynamic combo, indeed! Tiersa wears many hats, and she wears them oh-so-stylishly! As a Master Trainer, Forbes Expert Contributor, and Amazon Best Selling Author of the captivating book "Culture Impact," public speaker, Leadership & Engagement Coach, and Autism Advocate, she's a force to be reckoned with. But wait, there's more – she's also one of the most beautiful souls we've ever had the pleasure of hosting on our show. Get ready to be blown away by her wisdom and charisma! We dive into some eye-opening topics that'll challenge your perspective on success. Tiersa shares her secrets on embracing failure like a boss – because, let's face it, folks, failure happens to the best of us. And why, oh why, do some HR professionals hesitate to ask for help? Tiersa unpacks this intriguing question and reveals the keys to unlocking your full potential in the HR world. If you've been looking for that spark to supercharge your career, look no further. Tiersa drops some knowledge bombs on growing your HR career that you simply can't afford to miss. Ever wondered how singing karaoke could be an essential part of self-care? Tiersa spills the beans on this surprising yet delightful self-care secret that'll have you humming your way to a more balanced life. And guess what? There's an exciting bonus – Tiersa's new book "Culture Impact" is a must-read! Dive into the pages of wisdom she's packed in there, and you'll be well on your way to positively impacting your workplace and beyond. I couldn't resist sharing my favourite quote from this episode, and it's a gem: "Be comfortable where you are." Tiersa drops this nugget of wisdom that'll have you embracing your journey and savouring every moment. Don't miss out – tune in and prepare to be wowed by the one and only Tiersa Hall! This episode is sponsored by: HR@Heart Consulting Inc. - The HR Safe Space
Writing and publishing a book was a decision that changed my life entirely. Now after having written and published 5 books for corporate people, I know very well that writing a book is a smart decision for thought leaders, consultants, business owners and even corporate professionals.I am thrilled to have an esteemed guest joining us today and showing us why you must write a book, and what will that do for you.Melanie Booher is a female entrepreneur, author, and game creator - who founded a successful HR & Culture Consulting firm and a hybrid-publishing company - Influence Network Media (INM). Melanie is President of Influence Network Media, the go-to media company for business experts to produce, publish and promote business books for business experts.She has a mission to change the world, one leader / one workplace at a time. INM helps leaders find their voice, share their expertise, grow their business and leave a legacy. With a background in human resources, Melanie brings to Influence Network Media 20+ years' experience and deep expertise in culture, benefits, legal, training and recruiting.Melanie is a 6x Amazon best-selling author and launched her first book Conscious Culture in June of 2021.Melanie Booher believes every Business Expert has a book inside them. As a bestselling author and a publisher for more than 60 other bestselling authors, Melanie understands how a book can enhance your professional career and open doors to promote your business. Melanie is the bestselling author of Conscious Culture and Powerhouse.She has worked for powerhouses like Macy's, Cintas, Provident & National City Bank, and Charming Shoppes. She's a certified Culture Coach with CultureWise (2019) and Conscious Culture (2021). Melanie holds a bachelor's degree from Miami University and a Masters in human resources from the University of Cincinnati.TUNE IN. CONNECT WITH MELANIE BOOHERWebsite | Influence Network MediaLinkedIn - Melanie BooherGrab yourself a copy of her book!Conscious Culture: A game plan to build a great workplace----------------------------------Please feel free to reach out to us for any questions.connect@authorhina.comPre Order 'Chasing Desires'Send us your Purchase Receipt to connect@authorhina.com to receive the Goodies.Experiencing a Challenge at your Job?Request a 15 minute FREE CLARITY CALLLearn more about my Signature Job Hunt ProgramExplore our Upcoming Corporate Coaching & Healing RetreatsCheck out my books:https://amzn.to/3B65Wz7CONNECT WITH MEFacebook TwitterLinkedInYoutubeTop Software Engineers from Eastern Europe | IT Staff Augmentation | Money Back GuarantyBoost your tech team with top IT talent, risk-free hiring, 10% off with code ECHO PODCAST.Support the show
“When we think of diversity in the United States, we tend to start and end with the visible things that we can see, race and gender, which are really important. But I think if people really want to get the most out of your people, you've got to really appreciate everything that makes people unique,” explains Beth Ridley, organizational transformation consultant, speaker, author, and CEO of Ridley Consulting Group. Today, she talks about organizational culture consulting and DEI. In order to create a culture of belonging in the workplace, leaders need to be intentional about diversity, equity, and inclusion. When there's a true culture of belonging, employees will feel all four C's, comfort, connection, contribution, and commitment. In order to create this culture, leaders have to get the ball rolling by being an example and sharing what makes them unique. Everyone is diverse in their own ways. And when you can think of diversity from this perspective, it becomes more relatable for all employees. There is more to DEI than just looking at race and gender and when leaders can incorporate that, more employees will feel seen and understood. Authentic leadership is the foundation of a sustainable DEI strategy. From childhood experiences to the fun hobby you enjoy, you should be sharing what makes you unique. When you open up and are willing to be fully authentic, employees will feel safer to be brave and speak up about their own experiences. Quotes: “When we think of diversity in the United States, we tend to start and end with the visible things that we can see, race and gender, which are really important. But I think if people really want to get the most out of your talent, you've got to really appreciate everything that makes people unique.” (3:45-4:03 | Beth) “What we can do is broaden our definition of diversity to make sure that everyone appreciates that everyone is diverse, there's not some diverse people and non diverse people.” (11:18-11:28 | Beth) “Sometimes caring for others starts with just being more self-reflective.” (26:51-26:55 | Beth) “It really takes those first couple of folks to come in and not expect that they're going to fit into the culture, but really create a culture where they're proud to stand out.” (31:10-31:20 | Beth) “The only way to be a little bit more savvy about cultural context is to broaden your data points around the human experience. The more people you know and learn from, you can start to minimize some of those blind spots around the cultural common context and at least, replace it with a little bit more empathy and understanding.” (55:19-55:41 | Beth) “Authentic leadership is really the foundation for a sustainable diversity, equity, and inclusion strategy. And it really starts in the most simple way of you deciding to be more authentic in sharing who you are and what makes you unique at work.” (57:00-57:21 | Beth) Links: Mentioned in this episode: Learn more about Mike Horne on Linkedin Email Mike at mike@mike-horne.com Find more about Leading People and Culture with Authenticity Learn more about Beth Ridley: Website: ridleyconsultants.com LinkedIn: linkedin.com/beth-ridley-a92b8b5 Email: beth@ridleyconsultants.com Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm
Episode Summary: In this episode of the L3 Leadership podcast, Al Lopus, cofounder, and CEO of Best Christian Workplaces Institute talks about the assessment he created that helps organizations assess, measure, and improve their overall health and engagement. He also talks about what factors play the biggest role in the health of an organization and some tips on the key elements to building a great organization.About Al Lopus: Al Lopus is the CEO and Cofounder of Best Christian Workplaces Institute, founded in 2002. The Institute provides research-based measurement tools and culture change advisory services with a single vision: to help Christian organizations set the standard as the best, most effective workplaces in the world.At BCWI, Al has conducted the broadest-ever employee opinion survey of Christian workers. The comprehensive Employee Engagement Survey includes more than 300 churches and over 900 Christian organizations overall, representing 233,000 full-time employees around the world. Al has also developed the Culture Consulting services and 360 Leadership Review process at BCWI.Al is a recognized author, speaker, and consultant helping Christian leaders and organizations flourish. He publishes a weekly blog, highlighting a Best Christian Workplace, and The Flourishing Culture Podcast, featuring tips from Christian leaders on how to build a flourishing culture. Key Takeaways:1. Al shares the background and the vision for Best Christian Workplaces.2. He talks about the keys that boost and drive employee engagement.3. Al talks about his experience with turning around the culture at an organization.4. He shares his views on diversity within organizations and why he finds diversity is important for effectiveness within the workplace.Quotes From the Episode:“When you've got a lot of engaged employees, you're going to make great progress as an organization.”“It's diversity that brings innovation and effectiveness as an organization.” “The leader's first job is to understand and communicate reality.”“Feedback is the breakfast of champions”.Resources Mentioned:Halftime by Bob BufordChristianity Today MagazineGlobal Leadership SummitBest Christian Workplaces Employee Engagement SurveyRoad to Flourishing by Al LopusTraction by Gino WickmanTransitions by William BridgesSaint John of the Cross by Fr. Donald HaggertyConnect with Al:Website | Twitter
As a coach or business leader, how do you develop team chemistry? How do you get your team members to 'buy in' with what your vision is? What's the difference between praise and affirmation? J.P. Nerbun, founder of TOC Culture Consulting and author joins J.T. on this week's 'cast and shares his proven method on how to build and sustain team chemistry and how you can create strong relationships with your team. A must listen for anyone who is in a leadership position! --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/ontrackandfield/message
JP Nerbun is the founder of TOC Culture Consulting and the author of the book, "The Culture System: A Proven Process for Creating an Extraordinary Team Culture." In this episode, he shares practical ideas for creating and implementing your team's culture.Buy "The Culture System: A Proven Process for Creating an Extraordinary Team Culture"This episode is sponsored by the Dr. Dish Basketball Shooting Machine. Mention "Quick Timeout" and receive $300 off on the Dr. Dish Rebel, All-Star, and CT models.Let Hudl Assist bring your stats to life. Every stat is marked on the video at the moment it happened. See every shot, turnover, rebound and much more with just a few clicks. Visit Hudl Assist to learn how Hudl is elevating basketball.
I am excited to welcome Alida Miranda-Wolff to the podcast. Alida is the CEO of Ethos and author of Cultures of Belonging. She is committed to teaching love, scaling empathy, and healing harm through diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging strategies. Alida is beyond impressive, and I enjoy our conversation talking about everything from her journey into the DEI space to the building of Ethos. Episode Resources: Ethos: https://ethostalent.com/ (https://ethostalent.com/) Alida: https://alidamirandawolff.com/ (https://alidamirandawolff.com/) & https://www.linkedin.com/in/alidamw/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/alidamw/) Link to purchase: https://for-your-listening-pleasure.creator-spring.com/listing/fylp-x-wrdsmth-collab (FYLPxWRDSMTH Merch Collaboration) *suggestion is to size up Download this episode of For Your Listening Pleasure wherever you get your podcasts! Make sure you follow us on Instagram @https://www.instagram.com/foryourlisteningpleasure/ (foryourlisteningpleasure) Click https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3QIs28pC7TR4OMgPflPNOh?si=35775356c6554f52 (here )to listen to the For Your Listening Pleasure Theme Song Playlist on Spotify. To continue the conversation, feel free to DM me at https://www.instagram.com/foryourlisteningpleasure/ (https://www.instagram.com/foryourlisteningpleasure/) or email me at foryourlisteningpleasure@gmail.com.
There are two things I not only believe, but have seen to be true; “You learn more when you're having fun” and “if you have an emotional connection to what you are learning, it will stay with you forever.” So when I saw these front and center for a woman called The Pop Coach, I knew I had to meet her. Amanda is a speaker, trainer, MC, and all around Pop Culture Maven, hence the name The Pop Coach. She helps organizations develop their people and create a world-class company culture - all while improving their bottom line… all while incorporating her unique ability to relate any concept, lesson, skill, system or process to aspects of Popular Culture. You see where she's pulling in that emotional connection she talks about... In addition to her work as a Corporate Coach/Trainer, Amanda is an author, Disney Institute Graduate, frequent guest on Ticker News, was the creator and MC of "Unleash Your Inner Superhero" at Warner Brothers Movie World, and so much more. But instead of me sharing her story, let's hear firsthand from the woman that is using over 35 years of experience in popular culture to help businesses to go from POTENTIAL to PERFORMANCE. She's fun. She's engaging, and she brings impact backed by science. It's Amanda Rosazza! Looking to ignite a spark in your purpose? Children's Tumor Foundation: https://www.ctf.org/ Request information about having Katie at your event: https://www.onesparksolutions.com/contact-me/ Connect with Katie on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/katiecurrens/ Follow the Podcast on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/onesparkstories/ Follw the Podcast on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/OneSparkStories/
About Janet M. Harvey and inviteCHANGE: Are you investing in your true competitive advantage? If you aren't investing in development for the leaders who create experiences for your enterprise and customers, they can't lead an empowering and productive workplace climate that invites engagement. The reality is, you will struggle to retain your top talent if you don't invest in developing their skills. Only inviteCHANGE can provide the highest level of leader and team development to create a foundation of generativity at your enterprise. Enterprises that partner with inviteCHANGE see a boost in their leaders' decision-making competency by 20% - 30%. Transform your enterprise challenges while creating confident leaders that increase productivity and engagement with colleagues in a consistent and sustainable way. Say goodbye to concerns over your leader's confidence in creating a generative enterprise with leader and team development programs with inviteCHANGE. At inviteCHANGE, we catalyze people to BE authentic and generative, to CHOOSE to live values-aligned and to CAUSE reciprocal prosperity. We shape a world where people love their life's work. Our organizational solutions are tailored to the key business opportunities that define unique competitive advantage for our clients - the people who choose to work there. Deeply experienced with… - Learning and Development – experiential in approach to build capacity - Culture Consulting -- assessment, strategy, design and team engagement - Professional Coaching for individuals and teams – transformative and generative approach Our practitioners have also “walked in the shoes” as company leaders in manufacturing, hospitality, education, financial services, technology, professional services and healthcare. All are International Coach Federation credentialed members and accomplished professionals for two decades.
Was als Meme-Seite begann, ist mittlerweile eine eigene Consulting-Einheit unter dem Dach der Agentur brandneo. Sebastian Galla und Johannes Ehrenwerth sprechen mit uns nicht nur über Agentur Boomer, sondern auch, wie wichtig die Internet Culture im Marketing ist, dass die Umsetzung nicht an ein riesiges Budget gekoppelt ist, unser Verständnis von Zielgruppen und darüber, wie Agentur Boomer uns mal ein paar Hundert Follower:innen auf Instagram gekostet hat. Falls euch das Whitepaper interessiert, könnt ihr es auf der Webseite von Agentur Boomer herunterladen.
Hi I am here with Danielle Costantino, She is one of the nutrition director in Achieve system organization who take their business to new heights, to find different programs to be able to create their own programs to do a lot of the different things that will actually take their business to new heights, and it really just exploded and get it to that level that they want it to.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY DANIELLE FOR MORE INFO:https://www.achieveinst.com/the-achie...JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMMastermind - Create A New Tomorrow Inner Circlelearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK OUT ARI'S A NEW TOMORROW BOOKhttps://bit.ly/3d7EMg4CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.#Podcast #health #Education #CreateANewTomorrow
Hi I am here with Danielle Costantino, She is one of the nutrition director in Achieve system organization who take their business to new heights, to find different programs to be able to create their own programs to do a lot of the different things that will actually take their business to new heights, and it really just exploded and get it to that level that they want it to.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY DANIELLE FOR MORE INFO:https://www.achieveinst.com/the-achie...JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMMastermind - Create A New Tomorrow Inner Circlelearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK OUT ARI'S A NEW TOMORROW BOOKhttps://bit.ly/3d7EMg4CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.#Podcast #health #Education #CreateANewTomorrow the next episode.
Hi I am here with Danielle Costantino, She is one of the nutrition director in Achieve system organization who take their business to new heights, to find different programs to be able to create their own programs to do a lot of the different things that will actually take their business to new heights, and it really just exploded and get it to that level that they want it to.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY DANIELLE FOR MORE INFO:https://www.achieveinst.com/the-achie...JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMMastermind - Create A New Tomorrow Inner Circlelearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK OUT ARI'S A NEW TOMORROW BOOKhttps://bit.ly/3d7EMg4CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.#Podcast #health #Education #CreateANewTomorrow
Hi I am Here with Vanessa Raymond on Ladder of Success series. She is passionate about the performing arts and anything health, fitness, beauty. It is her passion to help people improve their lives through healthy habits and self confidence. she is also helping Dance Professionals succeed in their business. As dancers we learn our craft but we don't necessarily know how to turn this into a profitable venture. she is here to help you with that.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY VANESSA FOR MORE INFO:https://www.achieveinst.com/the-achie...JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMMastermind - Create A New Tomorrow Inner Circlelearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK OUT ARI'S A NEW TOMORROW BOOKhttps://bit.ly/3d7EMg4CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.#Podcast #health #Education #CreateANewTomorrow
Hi I am Here with Vanessa Raymond on Ladder of Success series. She is passionate about the performing arts and anything health, fitness, beauty. It is her passion to help people improve their lives through healthy habits and self confidence. she is also helping Dance Professionals succeed in their business. As dancers we learn our craft but we don't necessarily know how to turn this into a profitable venture. she is here to help you with that.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY VANESSA FOR MORE INFO:https://www.achieveinst.com/the-achie...JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMMastermind - Create A New Tomorrow Inner Circlelearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK OUT ARI'S A NEW TOMORROW BOOKhttps://bit.ly/3d7EMg4CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.#Podcast #health #Education #CreateANewTomorrow
Hi I am Here with Vanessa Raymond on Ladder of Success series. She is passionate about the performing arts and anything health, fitness, beauty. It is her passion to help people improve their lives through healthy habits and self confidence. she is also helping Dance Professionals succeed in their business. As dancers we learn our craft but we don't necessarily know how to turn this into a profitable venture. she is here to help you with that.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY VANESSA FOR MORE INFO:https://www.achieveinst.com/the-achie...JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMMastermind - Create A New Tomorrow Inner Circlelearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK OUT ARI'S A NEW TOMORROW BOOKhttps://bit.ly/3d7EMg4CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.#Podcast #health #Education #CreateANewTomorrow
Hi I am here with Suzzane Eccher, She began her career in massage therapy after she graduated from Boulder College in Massage Therapy in 1995. She wanted to help people feel better but soon discovered it didn't work without a plan. Suzanne believes in life, if you give, you will receive so she now mentors other massage therapists in how to build their businesses so they can help more people heal. If you're looking to build your practice and reach your goals, contact Suzanne at MassagePracticeBuilding.com.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY SUZANNE FOR MORE INFO:https://www.achieveinst.com/the-achie...JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMMastermind - Create A New Tomorrow Inner Circlelearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK OUT ARI'S A NEW TOMORROW BOOKhttps://bit.ly/3d7EMg4CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.#Podcast #health #Education #CreateANewTomorrow
Hi I am here with Suzzane Eccher, She began her career in massage therapy after she graduated from Boulder College in Massage Therapy in 1995. She wanted to help people feel better but soon discovered it didn't work without a plan. Suzanne believes in life, if you give, you will receive so she now mentors other massage therapists in how to build their businesses so they can help more people heal. If you're looking to build your practice and reach your goals, contact Suzanne at MassagePracticeBuilding.com.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY SUZANNE FOR MORE INFO:https://www.achieveinst.com/the-achie...JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMMastermind - Create A New Tomorrow Inner Circlelearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK OUT ARI'S A NEW TOMORROW BOOKhttps://bit.ly/3d7EMg4CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.#Podcast #health #Education #CreateANewTomorrow
Hi I am here with Suzzane Eccher, She began her career in massage therapy after she graduated from Boulder College in Massage Therapy in 1995. She wanted to help people feel better but soon discovered it didn't work without a plan. Suzanne believes in life, if you give, you will receive so she now mentors other massage therapists in how to build their businesses so they can help more people heal. If you're looking to build your practice and reach your goals, contact Suzanne at MassagePracticeBuilding.com.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY SUZANNE FOR MORE INFO:https://www.achieveinst.com/the-achie...JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMMastermind - Create A New Tomorrow Inner Circlelearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK OUT ARI'S A NEW TOMORROW BOOKhttps://bit.ly/3d7EMg4CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.#Podcast #health #Education #CreateANewTomorrow
Hi, I am here with Sonia Lewis. She holds a dual BA degree in History and Psychology. Sonia went on to further her education by earning a Secondary Teaching Credential and a Master's degree in Education from San Francisco State University. Sonia spent more than 20 years in the traditional classroom teaching Social Studies and managing a small magnet program that focused on Criminal Justice.JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMMastermind - Create A New Tomorrow Inner Circlelearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK OUT ARI'S A NEW TOMORROW BOOKhttps://bit.ly/3d7EMg4CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.#Podcast #health #Education #CreateANewTomorrow
Hi, I am here with Sonia Lewis. She holds a dual BA degree in History and Psychology. Sonia went on to further her education by earning a Secondary Teaching Credential and a Master's degree in Education from San Francisco State University. Sonia spent more than 20 years in the traditional classroom teaching Social Studies and managing a small magnet program that focused on Criminal Justice.JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMMastermind - Create A New Tomorrow Inner Circlelearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK OUT ARI'S A NEW TOMORROW BOOKhttps://bit.ly/3d7EMg4CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.#Podcast #health #Education #CreateANewTomorrow
Hi I am here with Suzzane Eccher, She began her career in massage therapy after she graduated from Boulder College in Massage Therapy in 1995. She wanted to help people feel better but soon discovered it didn't work without a plan. Suzanne believes in life, if you give, you will receive so she now mentors other massage therapists in how to build their businesses so they can help more people heal. If you're looking to build your practice and reach your goals, contact Suzanne at MassagePracticeBuilding.com.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY SUZANNE FOR MORE INFO:https://www.achieveinst.com/the-achie...JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMMastermind - Create A New Tomorrow Inner Circlelearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK OUT ARI'S A NEW TOMORROW BOOKhttps://bit.ly/3d7EMg4CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.#Podcast #health #Education #CreateANewTomorrow
Hi, I am here with Rober Riopel. He is a world-class trainer, author and founder of AMENTORA INC. Robert's mission is to ASSIST INDIVIDUALS IN INDENTIFYING AND LIVING THEIR PURPOSE WITH PASSION.With his high energy and heartfelt style, Robert Riopel has been blessed to travel around the world helping over 200,000 people find their passions and financial freedom. He has shared the stage with the Dahli Lama & Sir Richard Branson, and trained notables such as David Woods, Doug Nelson, Colin Sprake, Robert Yates and thousands of other trainers.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY ROBERT RIOPEL FOR MORE INFO:https://successleftaclue.com/CHECK THIS AMAZING BOOK BY ROBERT RIOPEL OR MORE INFO:https://slac.rocks/bookJOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMMastermind - Create A New Tomorrow Inner Circlelearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK OUT ARI'S A NEW TOMORROW BOOKhttps://bit.ly/3d7EMg4CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.#Podcast #health #Education #CreateANewTomorrowWith his high energy and heartfelt style, Robert Riopel has been blessed to travel around the world helping over 200,000 people find their passions and financial freedom. He has shared the stage with the Dahli Lama & Sir Richard Branson, and trained notables such as David Woods, Doug Nelson, Colin Sprake, Robert Yates and thousands of other trainers.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:07 Welcome to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host Ari Gronich and today I have with me a good dear friend Robert Riopel, I am not using an intro speech or anything today because I have a very deep personal connection to this man. He was the first trainer at MMI Millionaire Mind Institute, or a million Millionaire Mind intensive through peak potentials that I went to a training that he did, it was his very first time being a solo trainer. And we had 1000s of people in the audience and this man killed it. He went on to train, I think it's over a half a million people in business and life skills. This guy is incredible. And now he's doing this new project that I'm excited to talk to him about, but mostly, he's just a fantastic person for ideas. I mean, he's owned Domino's franchise, he's been you've married his high school sweetheart, I mean, that guy who's just that these days and stays married to them. He might have a secret or two. I don't know. Let's talk to him. Robert. share a little bit. Give me a give me a Give me your intro.Robert Riopel 1:30 Well, you know, I just happy to be here. Because, as you know, I love to have fun. I believe there's way too many serious people on this planet. And life's too short not to have fun. And it's interesting that you brought up my high school sweetheart, because actually yesterday, on the time of recording this, yesterday was our 32nd wedding anniversary. And so yeah, I met when we were 13 started dating when we were 16 got married when we were 19 Oh, I just started getting my age away. So I just, you know, I've been blessed, you know, international bestselling author, App Designer, and entrepreneur, and I'm a trainer that's traveled the world, you'll be for COVID, I was on average, traveling 200,000 miles a year, around the world doing training. And it's my passion is what I absolutely love to do. Because a couple things happen. One, when a student comes up to you and says, Hey, do you remember when you said this? Here's how it changed my life. Yeah, we're not gonna talk about what you were telling me about. That's one of the greatest feelings in the world, is when you see that you're making an impact. Because then you realize that maybe I've taught over half a million people personally. But now how exponentially did that grow by the people that they went back into their lives and impacted, and they then impacted and they impacted? That's what gets me really jazzed and excited. So, you know, for me, I'm a guy who does what I love, and enjoys life, and you help so many people again?Ari Gronich 3:03 Absolutely. I remember my dad sitting in a room was standing in a telephone booth with a bag full of quarters, and a telephone book, telemarketing in the middle of orange groves in California, like in the middle of nowhere, orange groves. And I remember this I you know, for him, it was one of his worst moments. For me, it was one of my best, because I saw the links to which my father loved.Robert Riopel 3:37 Hmm, yeah,Ari Gronich 3:38 that's how I took it was he didn't show you know, he was very busy. He always trying to survive. So while he showed love, he was very busy. He was an absent and yet he, that act of doing that made me know that what he was doing was worth it. Like he was doing it for us. And even though I felt that abandonment as a kid, I also saw why. And it was that was really powerful. So I liked that. You got that from your dad.Robert Riopel 4:20 Yeah. And that's the thing is it's, you know, my parents went through health issues. And the other one would always step up when the other one was in the hospital, and, you know, work the two jobs and take care of the kids or what have you. And so I learned a lot of amazing things from my family. And it just, it's so it's made me who I am today, and I will always look at that and go, I'm grateful that you know, talk about the gratitude. I'm grateful.Ari Gronich 4:45 You know, it's weird because I was talking to my son recently. He's seven. And I was telling teaching him a little bit about focus and how important being able to focus is And it's interesting because what you said about being present is what I said to him about focus. So he was at dinner, and he was jumping up every bite, he had to go somewhere, do something and get distracted by some somewhere in something. Right? And what I told him is, have you ever tried to be really present with your food? really present with the flavors and the experience of it on your tongue? The smell as it's going down, you know, the feeling in the back of your throat as you swallow the chewing? Like, have you ever been really present with that? And it was interesting, because that's a very similar thing to what you're saying. But being present with people being present with anything is so difficult and requires a lot of focus. So do you have any like, trips or tics? Like, how does somebody be present with somebody else without the background noise in their head? That's a good concept to say to somebody. But like practicality, let's get down to the practically How do they do that?Robert Riopel 6:12 Yeah, well, you know, first of all, it takes practice. Don't think that Oh, I know. Arn Roberts has told me that this is a great thing to do. So I just learned it. I should be good at I should be a probiotic. Because that's how we sabotage ourselves. Right? One of my favorite quotes, probably the hardest book. My favorite quote of all, every master was once a disaster, which means you're going to be a disaster. You're going to go through a disaster stage, you got to practice. And that's what most people see. Forget or choose not to do. I wasAri Gronich 6:45 I was doing a hypnosis course. And it was a past life regression. Course. And the instructor was channeling a being or an entity named I think, Miss Dr. Peabody or something like that. I was some weird name, that I was like, Oh, God, it wasn't Cleopatra. But it always is, you know, I'm Cleopatra in the formula. How many cleopatras have you met? anyway? So Mr. Peabody said, if you want to be enlightened, yeah, gotta lighten up. I went, Oh, my God. Do I have a lot of practicing to do? Because I'm, you know, I grew up, I'm a pretty serious person most of the time. And, and I got serious work to do to create a new tomorrow. And, you know, it's like, and now I read dude, three. So yeah, I mean, yeah, you know, people have forgotten that living is about living. And that living, breathing and reading in life, you know. So, stopping that joy of life,Robert Riopel 8:04 they said about your son. What you said about your son is where he's, he's modeling you. So when you talk to him about your being present, use that as a reminder for yourself to be present in that moment. Because every moment you're impacting people around you, whether you know it or not. And most people you're impacting them with not with what you're saying, but how you're acting, what you're doing, your way of being. And so if someone said, Well, how do I create a better tomorrow? A new tomorrow? Well just start with you. And then allow that example. Is it going to impact a ton of people? Maybe not? Is it going to help even one person? Maybe not, but it will help you?Ari Gronich 8:47 I've been I've been trying to rewrite the golden rule, because I disagree completely with it. Because we don't want people to treat us the way we treat ourselves. Now, we want we want us to we want people to treat us the way we treat other people. The Golden Rule is has gotten a little shifty for me. But yeah, I mean, you know, we definitely the self talk, that is, in most people's heads is so toxic. And and I like that you're you're saying that because one of the things that I do with with trauma work a lot is mirrors. You know, it's, it's not about affirmations. affirmations to me are like akin to motivation, which is almost nothing, right doesn't doesn't provide what it's supposed to do for very long. But staring in the mirror for 300 hours, crying, screaming, wailing until you find the pieces of you that you love until you strip the masks of inauthenticity from yourself the masks of trauma. I tell people, everything that you think about yourself is literally just a mask of trauma and you put on Other people have put on you. And our goal is to strip those masks off of trauma so that we can be authentic.Robert Riopel 10:08 Yep. Absolutely. And look, you know, that's, that's what I would do the mirror work. I started off with hair. By time I removed everything my hair was gone. good reason that I had to go there, if someone just listening to this, because, you know, there may be people just doing the audio. They had to know I'm aerodynamic. And ladies and gentlemen, I'm I'm not short. I've been told I'm just more grounded. So I like that as well. It's closer to the earth.Ari Gronich 10:37 Yes. Yes. Just close to the earth. Mr. Where's the earring, Mr. plane? That's all I want.Robert Riopel 10:48 Yeah, well, it could be this year, but that's in my ear. It just flipped up and goes it is multipurpose today, because Mr. Clean in the airing is. So yesterday, you're talking about age. Come on. Now. Now it has to have multi purpose.Ari Gronich 11:02 I believe the law of action traction. You know, we you we've had discussions, but the law of attraction to me is the movie, The Secret all that stuff. It's a great beginning, it didn't finish. And it's it left people wanting, which is where, you know, I take offense to it. But I do like is the science of getting rich, the book The Science of Getting Rich, which is where all that lol a comes from? Originally back in 1908 or something like that. And I like that little more Matter of fact, but it's all the same. You're right. The actions missing.Robert Riopel 11:42 That's what people they think all just think, no, they got to take action, which is absolutely true. I'm going to suggest you check out the movie, beyond the secret is a follow up that just came out about a year and a half ago. And it brings back a lot of the secret guests where they were able to go in deeper and like yeah, the secret and covered it. But let's go beyond the secret. And you know, dive in deeper. So you might want to check that out. But what he noticed is he said, if you realize it, this social dilemma, actually just unveiled the truth of the greatest law of attraction working in our favor. Because people look at any social media you're doing for attacking everything you do. And you're looking at your feed go, why am I getting all this? Because that's what you've been focusing on. So if you don't like what's popping up, then change your focus.Ari Gronich 12:32 I always do tips and tricks. We've done a lot of them. But give me three based on what we've talked about so far. Just three really crystal clear that somebody can do tomorrow action steps that they can do tomorrow today to change their lives to create a new tomorrow and activate their vision for a better world.Robert Riopel 12:49 Yeah, number one, become more present. Remember to take that deep breath, check in with yourself. How am I doing now? on that? Number two, take one more step in the direction you want to go. And three, bu awesome.Ari Gronich 13:08 We're gonna do this again. Hopefully, Canada will be open. And we'll do this live somewhere where we could actually like, get in it, you know, but it'd be awesome. That would be awesome. But thank you so much. Where can people get ahold of you if they'd like to connect with you and learn more about how they can work?Robert Riopel 13:29 Yeah, my Facebook fan pages the easiest way. And so on Facebook, just put my name in Robert Riopel, you'll see my fanpage I can't take any more. Friends. Unfortunately, they got me back. So a lot on my fan page. If you follow it, you'll get tapped into a lot of my work. I am on LinkedIn and Instagram. I'm told now. So yeah, we're my VA for getting that up. But also as a gift, I would love for your listeners to get a copy of my book success love to clue as the ebook version as my gift to them for having me on your show.Ari Gronich 14:02 That would be awesome. And we will make sure to get all your links and stuff like that so that it's going to be on the bottom of every every posting for this and and we'll get you all that. So thank you so much. I'm sure that the audience will love that because anything that we could do to make a new, create a new tomorrow today and activate our vision for a better world is what this shows about. So really appreciate you being here. Thank you so much. This has been another episode, crazy episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your hostAri Gronich. Thank you so much for being here and have a amazing weekend.
Hi, I am here with Rober Riopel. He is a world-class trainer, author and founder of AMENTORA INC. Robert's mission is to ASSIST INDIVIDUALS IN INDENTIFYING AND LIVING THEIR PURPOSE WITH PASSION.With his high energy and heartfelt style, Robert Riopel has been blessed to travel around the world helping over 200,000 people find their passions and financial freedom. He has shared the stage with the Dahli Lama & Sir Richard Branson, and trained notables such as David Woods, Doug Nelson, Colin Sprake, Robert Yates and thousands of other trainers.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY ROBERT RIOPEL FOR MORE INFO:https://successleftaclue.com/CHECK THIS AMAZING BOOK BY ROBERT RIOPEL OR MORE INFO:https://slac.rocks/bookJOIN NOW!! 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Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.#Podcast #health #Education #CreateANewTomorrow+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:00 I'm Ari Gronich, and this is create a new tomorrow podcast.Welcome to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host Ari Gronich and today I have with me a good dear friend Robert Riopel, I am not using an intro speech or anything today because I have a very deep personal connection to this man. He was the first trainer at MMI Millionaire Mind Institute, or a million millionaire, mind intensive, through peak potentials that I went to a training that he did, it was his very first time being a solo trainer. And we had 1000s of people in the audience and this man killed it. He went on to train, I think it's over a half a million people in business and life skills. This guy is incredible. And now he's doing this new project that I'm excited to talk to him about, but mostly, he's just a fantastic person. For ideas. I mean, he's owned Domino's franchise, he's been married his high school sweetheart, I mean, that guy that whose does that these days and stays married to them? He might have a secret or chill. I don't know. Let's talk to him. Robert. share a little bit, give me a give me a Give me your intro.Robert Riopel 1:39 Well, you know, I just have to be here. Because, as you know, I love to have fun. I believe there's way too many serious people on this planet. And life's too short not to have fun. And it's interesting that you brought up my high school sweetheart, because actually yesterday, on the time of recording this, yesterday was our 32nd wedding anniversary. And so yeah, I met when we're 13 started dating when we're 16 got married when we're 19 Oh, I just started giving my age away. So I just, you know, I've been blessed, you know, international best selling author, App Designer, and entrepreneur, and I'm a trainer that's traveled the world, you'll be for COVID, I was on average traveling 200,000 miles a year around the world during training. And it's my passion is what I absolutely love to do. Because a couple things happen. One, when a student comes up to me and says, Hey, do you remember when you said this? Here's how it changed my life. Yeah, we're not gonna talk about what you were telling me about. That's one of the greatest feelings in the world, is when you see that you're making an impact. Because then you realize that maybe I've taught over half a million people personally. But now how exponentially did that grow by the people that they went back into their lives and impacted, and they then impact it, and they impact it? That's what gets me really jazzed and excited. So, you know, for me, I'm a guy who does what I love, and enjoys life and you know, helps as many people as I can.Ari Gronich 3:12 Absolutely. So I'm going to tell it tell a story that you don't remember. And it's an impactful story for my life. So I just want to I want to I want to share it with the audience because I think it goes along with the idea of creating a new tomorrow. A lot of people know my background and know my history that listen to the show, really briefly from rape and molestation growing up bullying being told I was sick and would never get better having to be injected into puberty. I mean, I grew up in a way that was pretty Rocky, let's just easily put it that way. I've had 20 friends who have committed suicide. And, and the first attempt I had at suicide was at nine years old. And when I was at the MMI, your very first one, you pulled me up on stage to speak to the audience. And I had been speaking with EMI and Mark Victor Hansen, Robert Allen with the enlightened millionaire millionaire Institute. I had been doing money in you and I had been doing all kinds of things. I've been in the industry a while. And I had recently worked on somebody. This was over 20 years ago, I think or not 20 but it was close. It was what was the first one for 2004. So close. Yeah, it's close to two. So I had just gotten back from the Paralympics. Working on some of the most amazing athletes gold medals under my hands left and right. World's records broken not just Paralympic records, but world records. And I was I was feeling really blessed. At this moment, I get up on stage. And you asked me, I think it was what my best memory of my business was or something like that. And I spoke about the Olympics. And then I spoke about this guy that I worked on, who was paralyzed for 30 years. And I was called in to basically help him being more comfortable. He his body, you know, is the movement of his body. But he had been quadriplegic for the first 10 years, and paraplegic for the last 20, he took a hit of LSD in the 60s thought he could fly, jumped off a balcony and crushed his spine. So he had been very wealthy family had been to like the best of the best in the world. And when I started touching him, and I was thinking about it in my head, like, how, how can I help him the best, I was thinking if he went from quadriplegic, paraplegic, after 10 years, he could go from paraplegic to walking. I just was something I was young, and dumb. And I knew this. And this is actually a story that I tell a little bit on my trailer actually for the show. So I get up on stage, and I'm telling the story of how, in three months of working with this man, I had him walking. Wow. I said he could feel my fingers on his toes. He could move his hips forward on his own mental accord. He had arm crutches, but he could move. I mean, he had been crawling for 20 years. And I said something along the lines of even though I've had all of these amazing accomplishments, because of my past, I still feel like I'm worthless. And 2500 people, I think at that event, something around there 1500 to 2500, don't remember, it was big. And it was vulnerable. And you pulled me aside after the event was over. And you told me how valuable I was to you and to the event at large. And how much of worth, I had delivered in that five minutes of talking. And the fact that you were able to come and show me in a physical way how much I met you and how much that I was valuable, was a big turning point. In the way that I started to see myself it was still a journey. And obviously with life directions, we did a lot of things together. Butit was the beginning of a journey that was really powerful. And I've never told you that I wanted to take this opportunity to share it with you so that the audience gets how much of an impact you've had. And that's me, you've done this with half a million almost people were you've literally taken the time to go individually to some of them, and tell them how much they meant to you. And so that's how I want to start because this is all about creating a new tomorrow, activating our vision for a better world. you embody the authenticity, and the drive of that. And so I wanted to tell you that and then get your feedback, too. Because it meant so much and I've never told you that.Robert Riopel 8:53 Wow, dude, I'm also gonna face right now, if I had hair on the top of my head to be standing up for every other hair on my body is I'm lit. And I appreciate you sharing that with me. Because if and this is what people don't understand, is when they live their authentic life, and they follow their passion. They have the courage. You know, it's something in the new kind of trains I've been doing. I've talked about instead of having the courage to live life, it's authentically having the courage to allow life to live you. And that's a whole different paradigm shift. And so when I hear things like that, I don't have expectations. I don't have, am I going to help people? How will I help people? You know, I hope they get this out of this. I just I got to be me. Because if I try to implement what I think should happen, I take away half the magic or more. And so to hear that absolute magic what you just share with me thank you that wow, I don't even mean I don't even know where to go from here. Now.Ari Gronich 10:02 Well, you know that the idea is that we're creating this world, we're living in a place that feels to many people. So disconnected. So like, everything, you know that George Carlin said, we make things like computers to connect the world, and then it divides us so much. And so, as we're creating an tomorrow as we're living that authentic life, as we're activating those visions for a better world, you're one of the people who has actively done that, your entire life. And so, how that's how where we go with it is what caused you to be that kind of a man? Right? What was the thing that triggers? And then, you know, obviously, through this show, we're gonna talk a lot about tips and tricks and things that people can do. But really, I want that I want to have a deeper conversation with you today.Robert Riopel 11:03 And look, let's, let's go there. Because that's where I think a lot of value, cuz I look at, say, what's going on in the world today. And one of the worst things I think they could have done was call it social distancing. Physical distancing, yes, stay safe. But now more than ever, people need to be social. And so a couple things I've implemented over this past year, is something as simple as when I do my gratitude journal in the morning. I don't, you know, it started off as a success journal. I write down five successes for the day. And then it started to morph into what, what successes I had, but what am i grateful for? What And who am I grateful for. And then when I write down names, cuz obviously a name would pop my head just because of, there's something I remembered about them. And in that moment, I was like, I'm grateful for this person in my life. And over this past year, it's morphed into, instead of just writing their name, what about sending them a message? And if I can send them a voice message, but the key is being with I do it with no expectation? No. Hey, arias is Robert here. I just won't let you know. I'm grateful for you in my life. Can I get back to me? No, if you're loving, because you know how that feels, if it was like that. So I sent it with no expectation of whether ever they hear it, get it, send something back or not. And I do it because it'll say something like, you know, I just want to let you know, in my gratitude journal, I thought of you today because of bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, thank you for being in my life, I hope you're doing amazing. And you and your family are safe. And I ended up that now some people get back and, and we've had some great connections and others don't and, and it's just an or some people just give me a heart or, and everything's perfect. So things like that. Cuz you're right with technology. How easy today is to stay more connected. But why don't we? Why is it that people sit around a table and everybody is in eating but they're all disconnected? Because yes, exactly. their fingers in their thumbs are going on their phone. And it's like, or, and some of them will text across the table to each other. That's how they communicate. It's like, Really? IAri Gronich 13:12 find it hilarious in my house, where somebody will text the person upstairs. Hey, it's dinnertime, instead of just calling Hey, it'sRobert Riopel 13:23 right. Because that ding on the phone will get their attention, but a hauler won't, right. And so kind of the answer the question, why am I the way I am? Look, I'm the youngest of four children. And to get my share of attention, I became that people pleaser. And I was like, I gotta, I gotta get people like me. I'm very shy. And a lot of people have a hard time believing that. But I am, I'm traditionally shy, but I hide my shyness by being outgoing. And so I've done some crazy stuff in my life. And, but my direction was always look, we were born on the wrong side of the tracks. We're, we're the wrong real pals. And I don't know if I ever shared that with you, but even the spelling of my name, something I didn't really realize until a few years ago and probably thank goodness. But when we started researching my last name, real pal, which was a French name, it can be spelled ri o p e L, which is how minus or ri o p e l l, e, m, which is another version, those are the two most common and if your name was spelt with the l l e, that meant you were born into the upper crust of the Riopel, the right side of the tracks, the fluent but if your name was spelt just ri o p L, that meant you were the trash. You couldn't afford the extra LAri Gronich 14:45 and the extra E.Robert Riopel 14:47 Right? Because you know letters are expensive. They are letters, and it has something to do with the masculine and feminine over whatever but you know, and so I look back at my family history, and no wonder my grandparents came west, you know, no wonder they were pioneering and, and, you know, trying to change life. And so thank goodness, I didn't know that because as a child, what would I have done? Oh, I would have ingrained that so deep of why I can't be successful. And I was taught though, because my parents, everyone in my family, my dad's second oldest of 10 kids, and the only non entrepreneur in the family. All right. And so it was you, you do whatever you need to do to take care of your family. I've actually talked to my dad about this yesterday, and that we were nomads, when we're young. I never spent more than six months, maybe a year in a school, because they were always having to move to get work to feed the family, because that was number one. Whether you liked the job or not, you did what you needed to do to take care of your family. And so I learned my work ethic from them. But thank goodness, I had people into my life that said, No, there's something more. And we spoke about earlier, which is my wife, you know, one of the greatest gifts she gives me is she's not willing to let me play smaller than I am. And in fact, if it was left up to me, I have no problem admitting it. I would be comfortably miserable in a job right now. miserable, but I'd be going but this is what I'm supposed to do. So I'll all suck it up. I will do my job. I will. Because if it's stable, and it's paying me that I don't complain, no, I just do what I need to do. But she won't let me play in that state.Ari Gronich 16:34 Nice. Good for her.Robert Riopel 16:37 Yeah. Yeah. I'll give her as well, because it's got to go two ways, right.Ari Gronich 16:44 I remember my dad sitting in a was standing in a telephone booth, with a bag full of quarters, and a telephone book, telemarketing. In the middle of orange groves in California, like in the middle of nowhere, orange groves. And I remember this I you know, for him, it was one of his worst moments. For me, it was one of my best, because I saw the links to which my father loved. Hmm, yeah, that's how I took it was he didn't show, you know, he was very busy, he always trying to survive. So while he showed love, he was very busy. He was an absent. And yet he, that act of doing that made me know that what he was doing was worth it. Like he was doing it for us. And even though I felt that abandonment as a kid, I also saw why. And it was that was really powerful. So I liked that. You got that from your dad.Robert Riopel 17:59 Yeah, and that's the thing is, is, you know, my parents went through health issues. And the other one would always step up when the other one was in the hospital. And, you know, work the two jobs and take care of the kids or what have you. And so I learned a lot of amazing things from my family. And it just, it's, so it's made me who I am today. And I will always look at that and go, I'm grateful that you know, talk about the gratitude, I'm grateful. And when you talk about creating a new tomorrow, probably one of the biggest things I feel people can do is really focus more on what they are grateful for, don't focus on the lack or what's pissing them off, or why they don't have this or why they don't have that. Just focus even a little bit, just a little bit on something you're grateful for. Even taking a deep breath and going. Yep, I was able to do that. I was able to do that. I'm grateful for the fact that you and I are doing this interview. And I'm not at home because I'm able to be here supporting family that are going through some pretty major stuff right now. And because we have the freedom financially to be wherever we need to be. I'm grateful for that. You know, those those are the things I focus on and, and especially during this time with isolation. Do you reach out to people and something like instill upon my students? Three people a day, just reach out and ask simple three words? How are you? And then open your ears and Listen, don't go go. Hey, Ari, how are you? Oh, great. I'm glad you're okay. And I'm doing good. Which is what a lot of people do but actually be present in the moment. And and just be interested in how they are. And watch what that can do for people just by authentically showing some interest in them.Ari Gronich 19:52 You know, it's weird because I was talking to my son recently. He's seven and I was telling teaching him a little bit About focus, and how important being able to focus is. And it's interesting, because what you said about being present is what I said to him about focus. So he was at dinner, and he was jumping up every bite, he had to go somewhere, do something and get distracted by some somewhere in something. Right? And what I told him is, have you ever tried to be really present with your food? really present with the flavors and the experience of it on your tongue? The smell as it's going down, you know, the feeling in the back of your throat as you swallow the chewing? Like, have you ever been really present with that? And it was interesting, because that's a very similar thing to what you're saying. But being present with people being present with anything is so difficult and requires a lot of focus. So do you have any like, tips or tricks? Like, how does somebody be present with somebody else without the background noise in their head? It's a good concept to say to somebody, but like practicality, let's get down to the practically How do they do that?Robert Riopel 21:19 Yeah, well, you know, first of all, it takes practice. Don't think that Oh, I know. Aryan Roberts has told me that this is a great thing to do. So I just learned it. I should be good at I should be a probiotic. Because that's how we sabotage ourselves. Right? One of my favorite quotes, probably hardest book. My favorite quote of all, every master was once a disaster, which means you're going to be a disaster, you're going to go through a disaster stage, you've got to practice. And that's what most people they forget or choose not to do. They choose not to practice. So when it comes to that, I'm going to go back to something I learned back in 2002, that has served me all my life. I actually and because you know me, you know how tough this was, for me. I did a four day Zen retreat with a Zen master where I could not speak for four days, Roxanne was in bliss. I think there are those from Earth Day. But I couldn't speak and it was all about that what you were talking about you want to food. While you're just saying with your son. That's what made me think about is, we couldn't when we sat down for a meal, we're all facing the same direction looking at beautiful scenery. And you take your fork or knife or spoon, put a mouthful in, put it down and then intend to notice everything about that flavor, the texture, the smell, and just chewing it natural experience yourself, taking it in. And then you take a deep breath before he takes another spoonful. And I don't need that flow normally. Oh my goodness. And in the beginning, it felt like it in the beginning felt like. But by time I did it for 40 straight, it became natural. So one one tip, practice. But what really brought me to this was something that really impacted me that my teacher had said, Every night we were able to break our silence to ask questions and earn a better question. I was going around in my head going around in my head. But I was too afraid to ask it and another woman voice and she said Sherry, she goes, You know what? We're here. And we're meditating. In this space. It's easy. We know it's uncomfortable, not but it's easy. Because we're in the space. How do I do this? When I go home? Or I'm a mom, I'm busy. I got kids screaming, I don't have time to sit down for 20 minutes and go, okay. What do I do? And Sherry's answer to me was so profound, she said, she goes, look, meditating means being present. So the fact is, anything that you're doing, where you're actually present in that moment, you're meditating. And awesome. I went, Wow. So when I'm on the stage, if I'm present with my audience, I'm meditating. When I'm talking to an audience member, one on one if they're sharing, people go to me all the time, Robert, how's it you draw out of people and can see what's going on in their life? It's because I'm not a pure in my head. I am just connected with them. I'm present. So I'm actually meditating. So they think that I'm helping them which I am. But it's also helping me right now. You and I are having this conversation. I'm aware of everything that's going on around me. But I'm here in this moment with you right now. So I'm practicing my meditation. And so if you want to know how a practical skill to create it, Start, take 10 seconds. And truly taking that deep breath and be present in the moment of what you're doing. And then cried again a little bit later, and then do it again. And then every time you go home present practice, okay? Okay? Start with taking a deep breath because you can only breathe no present. And just bring yourself to where you are, and then notice where you are. Are you in your head? Or are you actually truly here? I justAri Gronich 25:30 I just tried to breathe in the future and it didn't work.Robert Riopel 25:33 I know, right? It's easy. Now try not try doing it in the past. You and I are gonna have so much fun as we keep talking. Because that's the thing is it? You know, and another tip is don't take things so seriously. Even when might seem serious. Yeah, the humor. I wasAri Gronich 25:55 I was doing a hypnosis course. And it was a past life regression. Course. And the instructor was channeling a being or an entity named I think Miss Dr. Peabody or something like that. I was some weird name. That I was like, Oh, God, it wasn't Cleopatra. But it always is, you know, I'm Cleopatra in Formula. How many Cleopatra's Have you met? anyway? So Mr. Peabody? Dad, if you want to be enlightened, yeah, gotta lighten up. Yeah, I went, Oh, my God. Do I have a lot of practicing to do? Because I'm, you know, I grew up, I'm a pretty serious person most of the time. And, and I got serious work to do to create a new tomorrow. And, you know, I was like, and now I read dude, three. So yeah, I mean, yeah, you know, people have forgotten that living is about living. And that living, breathing, really reading in life. You know, it's about stopping that joy of life,Robert Riopel 27:14 it's about your son. What you said about your son is where he's, he's modeling you. So when you talk to him about your being present, use that as a reminder for yourself to be present in that moment. Because every moment, you're impacting people around you, whether you know it or not. And most people you're impacting them with not with what you're saying, but it's how you're acting, what you're doing, your way of being. And so if someone said, Well, how do I create a better tomorrow? A new tomorrow? Well just start with you. And then allow that example? Because is it going to impact a ton of people? Maybe not? Is it going to help even one person? Maybe not, but it will help you?Ari Gronich 27:58 Yeah, the whole idea of competition, right, to me is, is been inverted. Because the only competition that I think anybody should ever be in competitive competition with is yesterday's version of myself, or yesterday's version, right? So let's talk a little bit about how you can be in competition with yourself. So that you're consistently in that growth mode without overwhelm.Robert Riopel 28:35 I'm glad you put that last part in there. Because as soon as you put it in, phrase it in competition with yourself probably like, oh, my goodness, I gotta go and get better cuz I'm not getting better, I suck. And then that gets becomes a reason to beat themselves up. And oh, my God, if I sucked, and why am I even trying to give off? Now it luggages without getting that overwhelm. And that's where the practice of being present really comes in. And ask yourself, did I take one more step? And then celebrate it? You know, in my first book success, let the clue. Step number four is celebrate your successes. You know, if I had to count on my fingers, thank goodness, there's not like 25 steps, or I'd never get through because I only have 10 fingers 10 toes, right? So I tell people celebrate your successes, because then that what you're focusing on puts you more towards that. So reason I determine and notice most people get overwhelmed. is they set a goal, okay? Are you just told me to only compete with myself. So that means I'm going to do this and this and this and this and this, and I got to get better at it. I got to be really good. And they're now 1000 steps ahead of themselves, trying to figure it out, trying to figure out how they're going to do it. But is it good enough? What if I misinterpreted it? Do Am I doing it the right way? is all what he really meant. Any of this sounding familiar? And so you definitely take a deep breath and you say, Okay, how am I doing right now? I'm doing good. Excellent. Okay, let's take one more step. And then check in with yourself. How am I doing? And in the, in the beginning, it'll probably drive you frickin insane. Because it'll feel like you're not moving anywhere. But if you stay consistent, persistent and consistent, how do you develop any habits? You have to do it over and over? what I used to do my podcast, one of the things, one of my episodes I was talking about was how, how does the singer a singer, get their song to become number one? on the radio or on your media? Do you think they sing it once? And then never sing it again?Ari Gronich 30:52 Only if they recorded it on YouTube, right? viral? Yeah, let's That's true. That's very true. I actually. Here's the thing. I'm just I'm just using the fact that you're old. And we're talking about records instead of instead of digital downloads.Robert Riopel 31:16 My sister in law did yesterday, when she keeps saying, I, you know, I watch my favorite show on tape. And I'm like, really? Yep. I'm old. Hey, my birthday was only two weeks ago. So come on now.Ari Gronich 31:42 I know. Yours was two weeks ago. Mine was last week. I think that that that this was a perfect timing for a show to highlight our elderly capabilities. Because you know, kids these days think that they are much smarter than us old fogies. So,Robert Riopel 31:59 yeah, yeah, that's right. Well, to finish my story, then Gemini is in other than the viral pneus of it. When a singer sings or song, to get it to number one, they have to sing it again. And again, hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds and hundreds of times. And the ones that don't make it are the ones that start getting bored easily, and trying to change your song. making little adjustments. little tweaks, right? Have you ever been at a concert, and you love a song? And often the singer sings it in a different way at the concert. You're like, I can't.Ari Gronich 32:38 I can't sing to that.Robert Riopel 32:40 Yeah, it's crazy. So it's the same thing with any habit you want to create. If someone wants to become a trainer, they go, Robert, how do I become a trainer? Practice, tenacious practice. You've got to do it over and over and over again. And so creating a new tomorrow is about saying, I choose to be what's one step I can take? See, celebrate it, and then go Okay, what's my next step now? And just be gentle with yourself? Because if you I know will be? Well, no, you This has never happened to for you. So for that I'm referring to you on this. How many of us, if we had a best friend that treated us the way we treat ourselves? They wouldn't be our friend for very long. But yet we take it from ourselves, right? Oh, yeah.Ari Gronich 33:32 I've been I've been trying to rewrite the golden rule because I disagree completely with it. Because we don't want people to treat us the way we treat ourselves. Now, we want we want us to we want people to treat us the way we treat other people. The Golden Rule is has gotten a little shifty for me. But yeah, I mean, you know, we definitely the self talk. That is, in most people's heads is so toxic. And and I like that you're you're saying that because one of the things that I do with with trauma work a lot is mirrors. You know, it's, it's not about affirmations. affirmations to me are like akin to motivation, which is almost nothing, right doesn't doesn't provide what it's supposed to do for very long. But staring in the mirror for 300 hours, crying, screaming, wailing until you find the pieces of you that you love until you strip the masks of inauthenticity from yourself the masks of trauma. And I tell people, everything that you think about yourself is literally just a mask of trauma that you put on or other people have put on you. And our goal is to strip those masks off of trauma so that we can be authentic.Robert Riopel 34:53 Yep. Absolutely. And look, you know, that's, that's when I would do the mirror work. I started off Prepare. By time I removed everything my hair was gone. I couldn't reason that I had to go there. If someone's just listening to this, because, you know, there may be people just doing the audio. They had to know I'm aerodynamic. And ladies and gentlemen, I'm I'm not short. I've been told I'm just more grounded. So I like that as well.Ari Gronich 35:21 It's closer to the earth. Yes. Yes. Just close to the earth. Mister where's the earring? Mr. plane? That's all I want.Robert Riopel 35:33 Yeah, well, it could be this year. But that's in my ear. It just flipped up and goes in is multi purpose today. Because Mr. Clean in the airing of so yesterday. You're talking about age? Come on now. Now it has to have multi purpose. Yes.Ari Gronich 35:51 So we're cleaning ourselves up? Where we're getting, we're getting to be present. Now. What? Right now what? So somebody is looking at their life going? Now what? And by the way, I liked the fact that you brought up some questions and what kinds of questions are not necessarily the best questions like why me? As you were, you're stating a little bit Why me? Why does this happen to me? Why, you know? What are some better questions that people could ask? And you know, and I say that because one of the ones that I ask is what's next? A lot? What's the best next thing for me? What's the next thing I should be doing? What should I do now? Right? Those are the kinds of questions that I asked myself. So what are questions that you have people asking themselves so that they get to that place? So once they're present? Now what?Robert Riopel 36:50 Yeah, you know, you want to hit on one of my favorites, too powerful word. What's next? Your March Pym 2020. I land in back in Canada, from doing a powerful three day training in India. March 11, I get locked out. All my live events around the world are getting trans, canceled. And I'm not gonna say I'm perfect. I'm all that. I went through victim role in the first few days. Like what's up? And I was pissed. And then my I took a deep breath, and I went, what's next? And often the answer started coming. While Robert for years, you've been saying you want to go digital, you and I talked to myself a lot. I do already. I'm gonna admit it. And talking to yourself is never a problem. If maybe when you start arguing with yourself, you know, maybe you've maybe looked at it before GeminiAri Gronich 37:41 is where Gemini is we are a I'm a Gemini and a Jew. And if you know anything about Jewish people, you get 10 Jews in a room, you've got 100 opinions. Now, apply that by Gemini.Robert Riopel 37:56 Right? You know, some people don't know how to take it when I walk into a store that says, because of COVID sign on the door, maximum eight people in the store at a time and I say, Oh, I can't come in because all my personalities aren't allowed to come with me. Some people laugh at that they get it. And other people are just too serious. They're like, What do you mean? I'm like, if I have to explain it, nevermind. And you'll, before I answer the question, I'm going to go back to something else you said about not taking yourself so seriously. Because I like to have so much fun. And I've chosen that to be my way. I remember a person asked me one time they want Robert, I can never follow you or listen to you. Because you don't take anything seriously. And I said not a problem. I said but I will tell you, I take fun seriously. And ultimately looked at me like, Oh, I guess that makes sense. And I didn't know if it would or not. But it so what's next is one of the biggest questions, those two powerful words. But it's also another one. The other phrase is something he did say. But I'm gonna do it in in different way. Instead of going worimi? If Why me? And now turn it into a curiosity of what was the lesson in what just happened? Or what was the lesson and what you went through? Or what was the lesson? Because I am a huge firm believer and I'll tell you in the beginning I was so in the box thinker because the way I was raised anything outside of the box that was airy fairy woowoo Forget about it. Forget about it. Like even my dad today. He's 83 years old. He's about to turn 84 in a couple days, another Gemini. And you you'll sit there and you'll say Dad, what about doing this? No. Well, why not? And as soon as he says no, you're never gonna change his mind because he doesn't open his mind to anything. Right? If this is the way it is. Okay, and I've learned you don't try and change his mind it because the harder you try, the more he'll just dig in deep, right? It's just it is what it is. So, I'm a big believer that everything happens for a reason, which a lot of people have heard that statement. But a lot of people haven't heard the whole statement. They've only ever heard this. Everything happens for a reason. But the whole statement is actually everything happens for a reason. And that reason is there to serve me. And now, if you look at it from that perspective, and I'll use kind of what got me back out of retirement, I don't know if you remember. But in 2008, I was so burnt out from traveling and training so much, I had to take a hiatus, I was burnt out. And because I wasn't taking care of my body, I was giving so much I forgot to take care of me. I herniated my back. And I decided to take one year off. But that one year turned into three and a half years. And I went through two back surgeries during that time. And I had to like I say I was burnt out for about three months. My wife goes, No, you can look at a suitcase or anything for nine months. You just you know it would put you back into that phase. And so when I was in my retirement, I went from over living my passion to not living it at all. And I realized both were bad. Over living it. I wasn't taking care of myself. I was getting burnt out my body was paying the price. Not living in it all the old negative non supportive habits started coming back in because people think and this is a misconception already. They think, well, I've learned this, and it should be permanent now. And I'm going to use Oh, oh, I'm gonna explain it like this because it's Yeah, we're squirreling here. But I'll get back to your questions.Ari Gronich 41:47 I don't I don't mind nonlinear conversation.Robert Riopel 41:50 Oh, perfect. Well, you've you've seen the documentary or have you? Social dilemma. Yes. And it's really a lot of people are going oh, my God, what are they doing? They're tracking everything. They see how long they pause on a video. And now they're sending me all those up? How dare they? And they've all a lot of people what's given attraction, a lot of people have seen it in a negative way. Well, a friend of mine, who's someone you know, as well, and he took a deep dive into it. He said, let's take a look at it this in a different way. Because everything happens for a reason, that reason is there to serve me. And often, he came up with what he calls an algorithm talk. Because what he puts a twist on it, which is brilliant. He said, Well, let me ask like this, are you Do you believe in the law of attraction?Ari Gronich 42:40 I believe the law of action traction. You know, we you we've had discussions, but the law of attraction to me is the movie, The Secret all that stuff. It's a great beginning, it didn't finish. And it's it left people wanting, which is where, you know, I I take offense to it. But I do like is the science of getting rich, the book, The Science of Getting Rich, which is where all that la comes from, originally back in 1908, or something like that. And I like that it's a little more Matter of fact,Robert Riopel 43:16 but it's all the same. You're right. The actions missing, that's what people they think all just thinking, no, they've got to take action, which is absolutely true. I'm going to suggest you check out the movie, beyond the secret is a follow up. It just came out about a year and a half ago. And it brings back a lot of the secret guests where they were able to go deeper and like yeah, the secret and collaborative. But let's go beyond the secret. And you know, dive in deeper. So you might want to check that out. But what he noticed is he said, if you realize it, this social dilemma, actually just unveiled the truth of the greatest law of attraction working in our favor. Because people look at any social media you're doing. So attacking everything you do. And you're looking at your feed go, why am I getting all this? Because that's what you've been focusing on. So if you don't like what's popping up, then change your focus. If you notice that something instead of slowing down and reading it and think of how bipolar people become over COVID, right, so someone sees an article that someone has a different point of view, and they get on there and they give their point of view and this you're wrong because of this. And also now they're getting flooded with all these contradictory to their beliefs, and they're getting more upset. Well, what about just going scrolling by that you want and when you see something you like, flow, your scroll, that's my new hashtag, flow your scroll. And actually, because if they're tracking how long they're tracking how long you're looking at something, then flow your scroll to something you like, and give it a heart instead of just like and watch out instantly. Because this is a powerful thing. And I've done it, he's done it. We've done it with 1000s of students. Now you can instantly change your seen on social media by really consciously choosing what you want to look at. And people go, that's awesome. But here's what they don't realize. That's the easy part. The hard part is the maintenance of it. Right? And that's where I've now started to really change my focus on things is because yeah, when I do breakthroughs with people, they get that instant change. That's that motivation you were talking about. But then ultimately going into back into their environment. And they wonder why they slide back. And that's where having mentors and being part of mastermind groups, having coaches, it's the maintenance that makes the difference. And so, when I was in my hiatus, I had said, I'm taking one year off. That's the message I put out to the universe. And then also one year turned into a year and a half. And the universe started sending me universe, God, whatever you want go by 13 messages. Robert, you said you're only taking a year off. You're not training yet. And you know, what happens if you don't listen to a message that comes your way from the universe? smack? Yeah, it sends it to you again, within a harder way. And if you don't listen, get well here. It is August 10 2010. I'm now two years into my hiatus of the one year I said it's gonna take off. And I my in laws happen at the time where I lived, they lived across the street and seven doors up. And my mother in law's phone and said, Look, we're having problems with the TV. Would you mind coming up and help me out? I'm like, absolutely not a problem. I walk out is a gorgeous, one of the few gorgeous sunny days we get an Alberta across from our house with a big playground boat. 30 kids in it. I go up, I help her. Get the TV going. I'm walking back down the sidewalk. I'm about to cross the street to my driveway. When a couple comes walking with a big bowl massive dog from the pathway beside her house. And I love animals. So they said in front of my driveway, I'm on the sidewalk and I said down issue friendly. And they said No, she's not. We just rescued her. We're rehabilitating rehabilitating her right now. That's okay, not a problem. So they stayed there. I stayed where I was. We talked for a while. And then eventually I knelt down, and they fully brought her to me and let her smell my hand, petted her head, petted her neck, there was no issue. Until the moment I went to stand up. And the moment I went to stand up, she wanted it my throat. Now, thank goodness, in the standing motion, my chin naturally dropped. From standing in my throat. She got my chin, and she latched on so hard, she started trying to pull me to the ground. I'm instantly in shock. And the only thought in my head isif she gets me to the ground, I'm dead. So I stood up in this dog now hanging off my chin, 150 pounds, trying to pull me to the ground, the guy physically had to grab her Jaws, pry them open. And now there's blood all over the place. And it's taken both him and his wife to hold her back with the leash. Because she's trying to get back at me. Now, the only part that entered my mind is there's 30 Kids behind me in that playground. And I'm holding my chin and a blood and I'm like, Look, I live right there. Just get her out of here. Get her away from these kids. They start dragging her up the street, and I start walking on my driveway, blood all over the place. I'm getting up to my front door, and I'm about to open the door. Now the only problem I had already. If I get out of the house is gonna kill me. Insane what goes through your head when you're ready. And I open the door. And I think I did. You'll call me I'm like Roxanne Well, obviously, it wasn't gone. Because she comes running, she sees a blood you'd like what happened. I'm like a dog attack me. And so she gets a towel gets it up to my gym to stop the bleeding. And now I'm safe. So my fight or flight, I'm now I'm safe. I'm okay. And I started to get lightheaded. I'm about to pass out. And my wife knows if I draw, there's no way she's getting me to that vehicle, get me to the hospital. So she looked at me and she goes into and you'll you understand this because we've done the course. She goes into warrior mode. And she looked at me She goes, don't you think just to that car. She drives me to the hospital, five hours in emergency to get seen. And the guy comes in and he's cleaning up. And they don't like to close up dog bites, because they want any bacteria to be able to flush out. So under my gold tea. There are three puncture wounds from the dog, but right here on my chin it and rip through. And so he had to actually clean it up, cut some of the skin and took nine stitches to close that up. Now look, I went into victim mode and I'm like, why did this happen to me? And when I calm down, I switched the question to Why did this happen to me and I'll finish it Curiosity was activated from that space of, you know, okay, it happened for a reason that really served me for why. And all sudden, what came to my mind is some, you know, product life directions, that universal principle, that which is not utilized is eliminated, my gift had one inch further, the dog would have got my jugular. And me and my gift would have been gone just like that. And I realized, wow, I'm not living my gift. And it could be taken that quickly. And in that moment, I made the decision, I had to train again. I didn't have to train because financially, I hadn't had to do anything for years. But I had to train because it was my gift to the world, if that makes sense. And I'm looking at the universe going, I don't need any more lessons. I got it. I got it. And within two weeks of me making that decision, me owning it. Within two weeks, I got a call asking if I'd come out of retirement. And it was an easy, yes.Ari Gronich 51:00 Yes, I will give me six weeks got agenda got to clear up.Robert Riopel 51:05 And actually, it took a year and a half, because of I was going through the rehabilitation of two back surgeries. And because one of the decisions was if I'm going to do this again, I will not put my body through that again. Right, I will take care of my body. And so and that's what I decided that instead of doing 4050, full on training here, I would do maximum 20. So that even with traveling all over the world, I get six months a year to be at home. Because I like my time off. Yeah, software, I learned more about balance.Ari Gronich 51:33 So I'm going to interrupt you a second. So what I'm hearing is the difference between a goal and an agreement, or a commitment. Right? So a lot of people put I'm going to speak in a year as a goal, right. But then there's, it's like, what happens on the in between? Yeah, versus an agreement, whereas I'm going to be ready to speak in a year by doing these things up till then. So that by that year, I'm on stage having spoken. That's exactly it. So it sounds like you made an agreement with yourself. You didn't keep it. So the universe said. And you said Oh shit, I got it now. I'm gonna keep greementRobert Riopel 52:29 Yep. And that's it. Because we're, it's so easy to give up on our agreements, we'll we'll stay true to an agreement with another person a lot longer than we will to ourselves. And so it's a matter of saying, My commitment to me is important. My commitment to my belief, and my goals and my dreams. You know, one of the things I teach people is what I call the authority master key. And I love acronyms. So I use the acronym vital. And the the L in vital stands for loyalty. And I talked about and I'll tie it into whatever group I'm talking about why to be loyal to this, this myth. But then I stop. And I say and the most important thing to be loyal to is your own dreams. Plain and simple. And I dropped the mic at that point. I do the dramatic effect every once in a while you know that? Oh,Ari Gronich 53:23 you've got to? I mean, I remember the tea drinking. Yep. It wasn't drinking tea. It was. I'm drinking tea. Now. Do you see me drinking tea? This is what you should be doing on your stage.Robert Riopel 53:38 Drinking. Yeah, and watching people be bewildered like, What is he doing? What does that all mean? Until then, when you explain it open up the light bulb and go get it right. Exactly.Ari Gronich 53:53 Yeah. Wow. So we've gone through questioning and questions that that matter. And one of the things I want to just clarify within your questioning, you're asking questions out of curiosity, versus asking questions out of, and I'm going to just fill in my blank, which is out of judgment out of already thinking you know the answer. So when you ask a question like Why me? You already think you know the answer. I'm bad this way. I haven't done this right. I am I you know, when I was two, I you know, my parents had to spank my butt because I wasn't listening. And when I was 10, it was this. And so I'm just and it validates an already preconceived question, right, or answer that we have. It's kind of like a police officer interrogating somebody in a in an interrogation thinking that they already know that you're guilty. So all they're trying to lead you is to the answer that they want, right? Yep. Versus Yes. And asking questions that will need to open ended solutions or answers? Right? Like what's andRobert Riopel 55:05 that's the that's the part I said about courageously allowing life to live, you versus you living life, right? And that's what gets you out of victim role. Because if you're asking the question from the victim space, you're going to validate that you're a victim, you're going to validate that everything bad happens to you, and that you're the one on the receiving end and isn't bullshit. And no wonder I don't do as good as I could. And no wonder my life is crap. Or you can sit there and say, okay, I've let that go. Now, what's the lesson that I can use to empower myself?Ari Gronich 55:37 Yeah, and and for me, like, just, for example, I'm doing a lot of trauma work right now, you would have ever gotten as empathetic and as able to handle the depths of other people's pain? Had I not experienced those depths of pain myself, and come out of them? and learned those things? So I absolutely I used to have that. Why me? Why me? victim victim victim? And I still, you know, it's we all do? A little bit, right? It's Yeah, who's across that way? The differences is that I own the victim, like, Yeah, I was a victim of that guy who did that thing. And it's not a bad thing to be the victim of something like somebody gets raped, you're the victim of rape. And it's okay to say that, and what are you going to do now? So for me, it's what's next? It's what what did I do with that I took that nobody should ever have to live in that kind of emotional turmoil in their bodies, like I did, for my entire, you know, childhood growing up. So I'm going to help people clear that up, I'm going to help, right, because the minute that, that blocked that stopping them from living, soRobert Riopel 57:03 and that's what allows you to connect with people I can never connect with. Because if I tried to say, Oh, I understand, and I'm coming from a place of Unknowing. And you know, I'm gonna reconnect you with Aaron, because I think he would be a phenomenal guest for your podcasts, to go down a deep rabbit hole on this, because he talks about let your pain be your path. Let your wounds be your way, let your you know what you've gone through be the resume of why you can actually help other people. And and when you understand that, okay, I went through this. Now, who can I help, maybe not have the pain I did, maybe get through it a little quicker, maybe decide not to try that suicide, maybe decide that they are important enough to be on this planet that this planet needs them. And I'm going to say like that this planet needs them. So to have that understanding, if we didn't have those experiences, you would not be connected with the people so deeply in the way you do. And that's one of the things I so appreciate about the fact that you do own, that this has been my journey. Now what and the people that and it comes back to something you and I are talking to me, they've even been off the recording. But you may even you probably don't even have any idea of the people you've actually impacted because of the people you've worked with, who have gone back into their life in a different way. And also the people in their life are going, Wow, something's different about them. So often it changes their perspective of life, which there may be changes someone else's perspective life. And so you could have four or five, six degrees of separation of people that you impacted, because of helping one person see that you know what, I create a new tomorrow, the way I want to, and if I live my life in a different light. And we don't have to know who we're helping, right. That's what makes it even better.Ari Gronich 59:02 Just like my story today of you that you didn't know about, right? That impacted me. I had a similar occurrence. I gave somebody a hug at a party once I was 24. It was a guy. He was a psychologist from New York. So very, not in their emotions, right, very mental kind of person. And about eight years later, he I was at a Tantra party with him and hadn't seen him in many years. And he said he pulled me aside he said I just want to tell you how you impacted me. He said you gave me a hug once at a party. And you held on like you meant it was like and that's just me. I was That was my personality. I'm a cobbler. And he said my family are are not huggers. In fact, before you did that it had been over 10 years since I had even had a hug from my brother. Wow. And when I went back to New York, after that I was I was talking to him while we were on the street. And I just felt compelled to hug him. And I hugged him and I held on. And it was the first time that we had a hug, probably ever in our lives, like fully hugged. And I'm going, Okay, he said, My entire family has now become a hugging family. Love each other, and we treat each other. Like we mean, it came from you. And I'm like, I mean, how could you have any idea of that?Robert Riopel 1:00:53 And how could you plan for it? How can you plan that this is the impact you're gonna have today? That partUnknown Speaker 1:01:00 is just I mean,Ari Gronich 1:01:04 we never know what the impact is. And especially my favorite thing, the butterfly effect, you know, what are the ripples ripple effect, the butterfly effect of any action that we do, whether it's a good consequence or a bad consequence, there's a ripple effect to every action. And every actor typically has polarity in the consequences in the things that happen, right? So if you if you get off off coal, for instance, right, you have a net effects of positivity for the environment, for instance, however, there's going to be an effective all these people who have their livelihoods for the last couple 100 years that they won't have. So if you know that there's a ripple effect, you can plan for it. And then you could say, Okay, so what are those ripple effects? 1020 years down the line, 100 years down the line, and all of a sudden, the plan becomes so detailed in the minutiae that you can really actually create the change, knowing that you're going to have an effect here and we're going to compensate there. We're going to have effect here. We're going to come You know, it's,Robert Riopel 1:02:14 it's beautiful. You have you affect change. Right infecting change.Ari Gronich 1:02:22 You know, you and the Coronavirus and your infections. Well, you know, I did have a good Corona last night and around the fire. So I like my Corona. Brown, right. It's the crown. jewel. Well, that's what Corona is correct. Corona is, right. So they made it the king, they put all these spike proteins to give it a crown. And then they named it after that. And they said, hey, you're the king of all pandemics? I mean, pandemics? Yeah, without my Okay, boy. Yeah. That was a slip of the tongue. A Freudian slip. But anyway. So I think people are getting that, that there's so many ways to be when you're creating a new tomorrow, but the actions of questioning with curiosity, the need to balance for overwhelm, right? There's all these different places that people go, what I find is like, most people, they walk around the house all day or the office all day, not knowing what to do next. Right? Yep. You see people in like, I just don't know what to do. And so I'm not doing anything because I don't know what to do. It's like they're paralyzed in this confusion, space. So go, but I'm so busy. I don't have time for anything. Right. But the busy is usually up here, not the external busy. It's that, like, I know this for me. I get so stuck in the head. And I get so busy in my thoughts, planning new things, thinking of new things, flushing out my ideas that I go, I am so busy. And I haven't done anything the old day. Right? ButRobert Riopel 1:04:15 yet you're drained. Mental drain just really? And then you're like, how am I going to keep this up? Is it worth it? Because, look, I haven't even really accomplished anything and yet I'm so tired. That becomes that catch 22Ari Gronich 1:04:30 right. So what is, you know, the business tricks? You've been a business trainer, we're not talking a whole lot about business. What's the business trick for life? For when somebody gets to a place where the mental overwhelm the language in the head, the words the voices, the stories, the wants, the needs that I don't have all that stuff? gets crashed in somebody's mind. How How would you quiet The quiet this morning, you know, we did this thing called wizard once. And so I'm kind of bringing you into a wizardly way of of being here so that the audience can get more into that position. Well, I'm not going to tell it what, what, what the position is that you want to be in, because that would be wrong.Robert Riopel 1:05:22 Here's the thing for me, because everybody's so different. Everybody's unique, everybody's themselves. So it's understanding yourself, first of all, to me is the number one understanding. I know I am a world class procrastinator. And I have no problem admitting that because if I tried to deny it, it just can keep creeping up and sabotaging is gonna keep and everything will become the 11th hour. And I got I gotta get it done. I gotta get, right. And so I I'm, I'll acknowledge and I'll say, yeah, that's who I am. I No, I am. And I'm okay with that. So one of the tricks I use, is knowing I'm a world class class procrastinator, I came up with a quote that I use as a mantra. I designed my day, in such a way that procrastination cannot play. And so that means is I purposely will book a lot of my calls and meetings for first thing in the morning. Why? Because as soon as I commit to someone else, then I'm gonna get my ass out of bed and get it done. But if I don't have a call till then 1130, then it's easy to go home. There's a few folks, I did so much yesterday. I'm tired. I'm just gonna. And I'm going to reset my alarm. Now, on the other side of that, because then while Robert doesn't that just make you busier and busier, busier, because you're always up early. And, and I'm a late night person anyway, do right. So I don't get a lot of sleep. But then one of the adjustments I've recently made. Okay, when Corona happened, I got busy. But I got so busy. I can with time zones around the world for students, I've talked to all over the world. It can be 6am to 1am. I was going, going, going going getting burnt out. Because when I put my mom's home, I just I don't take care of myself. Yeah, anybody? Do you know anybody like that aren't just curious,Ari Gronich 1:07:14 watching a few trillion people like that?Robert Riopel 1:07:17 Yep. And so my wife instituted one thing. She said, here's what we're gonna do. At noon, we sit down, we have lunch, we put our phones down. And we play cards and connect. At dinner, we put our phones down, we have dinner, we watch TV, and we just relax. instituting those two simple little things often changed my whole day, where I wasn't feeling overwhelmed, wasn't feeling burnt out. Because now on my calendar, because I'm not used to living by a calendar per se. But everything gets scheduled now. So that I know if there's a meeting and by going back to something we taught in one of the programs you learn is we use a big rock system. The first thing we put on our calendars are those balance pieces. family's important. So I'm here with family right now. Now, can I still do work in that? Yes, because with technology, I can do it. So but the family is scheduled in first. And then when I now look at my schedule, I plan other things in so I can do interviews, I can do things guilt free, without beating myself up, thinking I'm taking my time away. Because I know the moment I'm done this call, I've got time back with family, I'm gonna actually drive back to my home about an hour and a half, take care of our animals, and drive back up here. And tonight, we'll be sitting around a fire talking about you know, how important our family is to us. Think of the memories and just reliving stories. And I don't cuz I don't have anything else booked for the rest of the day. That's it. And then take one more step further. As is even it was so easy to go. Come to me, I haven't had weekends in years. Becau
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Now, this is a guy I taught, I had a pre interview with him, I was really excited to talk to him. He's a three time TEDx speaker, this guy has, he's a best selling author of this book initiative and leadership, step by step, the sustainable life podcast is award winning with that. Professor at NYU, you've even you know, taught leadership at West Point with the director of US Secretary of Defense, right?Joshua Spodek 0:56 Yes, he's since become the Secretary of Defense. Is that because of working with me? I can't say for sure. Well,Ari Gronich 1:01 well, we'll get into that, we'll get into that. So tell us a little bit about your background and why leadership was such an important role. And the reason I'm going to preface this for the audience, the reason I'm so excited is because I am really looking at the deep dive into leadership and what makes people leaders, what makes people followers, and so on. So I'm really excited to have Josh here.Joshua Spodek 1:25 Well, glad to be here. And I'll start with a very brief part about beforehand. If you want to know more, let me know. Because growing up, I was pretty nerdy, pretty geeky. I got a PhD in physics, I helped build a satellite that's orbiting the Earth right now. And for a while I really thought physics, I want to be a physicist. And then I ended up leaving, after got my PhD to start my first company, and was very successful. That was successful. Then came the recession. And it was difficult times, I got squeezed out by the investors, very painful experience. Could not by that point, I severed my ties with academia. So I couldn't really go back. I ended up going to business school. And that's where I found classes in leadership that I did not know existed. I thought, Martin Luther King was born that way. Mandela was born that way. Eisenhower was born that way, I couldn't really change who I was. And I learned that On the contrary, you can change, you can develop social emotional skills. Although I'll clarify that in school, I learned that you could. And there we had. The classes were case study, reading and writing papers, not actually doing the things after Business School. Yeah, I go into meeting thinking I've gotten great grades and leadership classes physical, I'm a leader, I will run this meeting. And it didn't do very well. Because I later learned how to learn through and how I teach is experientially if you want to. And so I look at what I learned in school was like, you can learn music appreciation. And that's, you know, you'll learn about the lives of Bach and Beethoven. But you'll learn how to play you got to play scales. Same with leadership, I learned leadership appreciation in school. What I teach now is and what it coaches how to lead. And it's a deep, deep passion of mine. Awesome. SoAri Gronich 3:18 we talked about this a little bit. And in my, in my witnessing of of the world, right, I feel like Kennedy was probably, at least as a president, the last great leader of our country. And the thing that I think made him a leader is not only did he bring people along with his vision, but he gave mandates he gave direction to those visions, he said, we're going to go to the moon by the end of the decade, go do that. And then all of a sudden, people started flocking to create what he kind of mandated we should do. So where do you think that that's lacking in the leadership and how does your you know your vision of leadership address those kinds of things so that we can move forward faster versus wait for another great leader to show up?Joshua Spodek 4:12 Okay, so I'm gonna take the last thing you said there, what can we what can we do ourselves instead of just waiting for the next great leaders show up? Is it learning social and emotional skills, performance skills, is different than learning things about factual recall things that you can take bubble test for write papers about? You can write papers about leadership, but the actual practice of it, you have to face you have to understand yourself, you have to learn empathy, compassion, listening, as well as confidence. And these are not things you can read your way into, or write your way into and learning them requires there are there gonna be times I guarantee everyone who tries at some point they will think this. I've been at the six months I'm worse off than I was when I started. I'm not going to get anywhere others can do this, I just can't do it, everyone will think that at some point, that's part of the process and table get through that. It's a, it's something different than what our schools have come to teach these days. Our schools, there are, there are exceptions. But generally, it's factual recall, it's abstract analysis, which is valuable. I don't want to take away from that. But it doesn't help you face fears of going in front of an audience and allow yourself to be vulnerable and sometimes failing, not just failing. But like being being ridiculed, being disrespected, and bouncing back. You can get it in other areas, and just practicing leadership, there's sports, give it to performance arts, I think leadership is a performance art.Unknown Speaker 5:54 SoAri Gronich 5:56 just to go in, in my background, right. Every time I've ever had a position of leadership, it was in a style of master apprentice, right. So I had somebody who was teaching me how to be a leader. And then as a leader, I would be teaching somebody how to be what I'm doing, right. So I always had a master apprentice kind of relationship in that way. And it was very experiential. And I just want to kind of come back to what you just said, about doing the practice of, and knowing your traumas, or knowing your history, because I've always told people that when I'm doing trauma, work with them, if you want to get on a camera, but you're afraid of what people will think of you, the only way to do that is to get on that camera with people who are safe. And so if you keep rebuilding the same, or if you rebuild the somatic trauma with new somatic experiences, you'll be able to then reprogram that neuro pathway. And as you do that, you get more and more comfortable being on stage, for instance, that kind of what you're saying, with regards to leadership.Joshua Spodek 7:14 Yeah, I mean, you say building neural pathways, it's the I would just simply say, learning, it's to learn to do things, it is effect, forming neural pathways you're learning. And you have to, you have to practice these things. I mean, if you simply read about leadership, you will learn how to read about leadership. That's different than it's like learning, reading about playing piano. It teaches you how to read how to play piano, but only fingers on the keyboard to it, that's the same thing that's going to certain neural pathways. At the beginning, when you play piano, I learned to play piano, but I think that, you know, you play some scale, the thumb is gonna hit harder than the pinky generally. So you have to learn how to modulate the, you know, hit with the same, if you want the same volume, you have to hit with the same force, which means you have to push harder with your pinky. Likewise, if you're going to lead people, and you want to make people feel comfortable sharing what motivates them, so that you motivate them intrinsically, not telling them what to do, that managers can do that. And that's effective at times. But sometimes, intrinsic motivation is going to get you much farther. And if you presume to know what the person what motivates them, you're almost certainly gonna be wrong. So how do you but for them to share that is generally makes them feel vulnerable. So they're going to protect that. So if I'm going to communicate, and behave in ways to make them feel comfortable sharing that, that takes that kind of nuance, that kind of subtlety, that kind of being able to pick up facial expression, I movement, tone of voice, both seeing there's as well asAri Gronich 8:58 doing your own got modulating your own. So how do you do that? Do you use mirror work to modulate your own or do you like, what what is your process for creating that level of leadership in yourself and awareness?Joshua Spodek 9:14 I'll give a very low level and not a somewhat low level incident and give a high level answer. When I okay, after school, I picked up there was this difference between learning about something learning something. And at this at the time I was watching inside the actress to do a bunch I don't know if people have seen it, but I love it. It's now it's no longer James Lipton. He's is some other hosts now. But he'd bring on all the best guests. Pacino De Niro, Streep, you know people like that. And I kept noticing that they had the skills that I was supposed to have learned in Business School. Over and over again. They kept saying they dropped out of school, they got kicked out of school, they never went to school in the first place. Like that's weird because I went to an Ivy League business school and my professors weren't Nowhere near able to practice the emotional and social skills that these people could and yet they didn't go to school at all. And then the more I studied or learn about them, because my curiosity is now like, what's going on? How's it? How's this possible, it shouldn't be this way. It's not that they they stopped going, that what they're talking about was like mainstream course course in high school, they would still get education. And so then I learned about like, the group theater and Stanislavski and this whole history of theater. And there's a style of learning there. I ended up taking Meisner technique classes. So Meisner was one of the big teachers of the of the movement. And the technique was, it starts off these very simple exercises, that when you do them, they're so simple. It's almost like, what's the point. But then the next exercise is a little bit more than that. And the next section has a little bit more than that. And before you know it, you're doing these amazing, I was doing these amazing things, I was crying on stage, on purpose to using the technique, which I never would have expected I could do. And so if you look at the way I teach, now, it's Meisner technique. But instead of By the way, they're doing construction next door, I hope that it's not too loud,Ari Gronich 11:13 I can hear it a little bit, but we could try to get in and post.Joshua Spodek 11:18 So the hopefully not too distracting, I feel like now we're all used to like, we used to be in Sound Studios, and now it's just our living rooms,Unknown Speaker 11:26 I know. And,Joshua Spodek 11:28 alright, so I take out the stuff that's specific to acting, and I bring in stuff that's specific to most of my clients or business leadership. But some politicians, people like that, too. There's lots of areas that you can do leadership and sports and education, so forth. So I put in exercises that are relevant to that style of leadership. So it begins with very simple basics. And then you move up. So now I'm going to go from management technique. But this is how you learn sports. To play musical instrument to perform dance singing, the military, you begin with very simple basics. And when you get a certain level of proficiency with the basics, you move up to intermediate. And when you move up from there, you get to mastery, and there's no limit to how well you can act or how well you can play tennis. So there's no place to stop, you can always get better. And as you gain fluency in it, you you communicate more you learn more about yourself. It's a wonderful experience. And it's just as far as I can tell people didn't do it with leadership. I did. And then you know, that's why I end up at West Point in places like that.Ari Gronich 12:41 Right. So tell me about about that westpoint gig. You know, you're you're working with professors who are also Captain through colonels, you know, typically, you're working with the student population who's looking to become the next leader and officer. And I'll tell you the truth when I when I spent four years of my life and Air Force Junior ROTC, which, you know, doesn't sound like a lot. But it was it was an interesting experience, because my experience of the leadership was really all about ego. If somebody had joined two weeks before me and didn't know half of what I knew their words still got accepted as fact, versus what's the truth or optimization. And so, within military, I always find that there's so much what's the word overage of, of duties, like, somebody who's knows his business is being told to do his business and then has to do it twice or three times? Right? And so that leadership doesn't really translate to, to trust in the person that you have hired. Whereas in business, we're starting to learn that you've got to like not micromanage. And so within regards to West Point, and what you're doing with the military there, how does that micromanage versus leadership, and, and breaking the ego of leadership so that it's really more of a service position versus I am a leader? position?Joshua Spodek 14:23 Well, just a lot there. I don't know if I can cover all of that. And you distinguish between micromanagement and leadership that what I heard, I would make the distinction between authority and leadership. And, and so your experience in the military is much greater than mine. And by the way, I appreciate your service. And it was it was just Memorial Day, and it's, I have a deep appreciation for the and a greater appreciation for the freedom that I have as a result of having spent time with the military. Very limited time. But my understanding is that there's a chain of command If you're given a directory, you got to follow a lawful direct order. But that's the last thing you want to rely on. You can rely on authority, if you have to what is authority, if not, the ability to hurt someone, if they don't do what you tell them to do? Well, that's almost an invitation for them to undermine that authority that can because I don't want you to hurt me, if I don't do what you tell me to do. But if you can find out why I, if you can find something, a motivation inside me that you can connect with a task, then I'll want to do it for my intrinsic motivation. That's what I really work on. That's not very well taught in school. And, and yet, it's not that hard to teach.Ari Gronich 15:41 Okay, so I want you to give me an example, I'm going to use me as an example, because you know, it's my show, I get to do that. But I have a seven year old, I'm a dad. And there are times in which I want to be an authority, or authoritarian with him. And I was like, you need to do this, you need to do this. That's it. No, no questions. And then there's this other side of me that's going what I'm doing sometimes isn't working as well as I'd like it to. And I'd much rather have a pleasant peaceful life with my son, and then one that's adversarial. So I'm trying to learn how to be a leader as a father, and do what you say is motivate his intrinsic motivation. So give me a kind of like, how would How would you go about doing that? Like, what what's the the pieces? What are the questions I would ask myself? Well,Joshua Spodek 16:32 I'm going to translate this to piano. You asked, like, how do I play this piece. And I'm really taught how to play this, you have to practice the basics. And if you're starting from you're not sewing for, I don't know where it's coming from. But if you start from never having played piano before, you got to start with the scales. I can tell you play when when when it says this note, hit that key when it says that note hit that key. But that's not really that's not musical expression. That's just mechanical doing things. So if someone wants to learn how to improve their relationships with others, you got to practice the basics in what you're talking about there. If I want to motivate someone through their intrinsic motivations, I have to find out what those motivations are. Which means I have to listen to them, I have to observe what motivates them. And generally, what I'm going to do is, I'll ask them, What motivates you. Not quite like that? asked what some?Ari Gronich 17:28 What are the things you like?Joshua Spodek 17:29 Yeah, what are some things that you like? And they're generally going to protect themselves? They're like, I presume your son? How old? Is he? Seven, seven. So he's not at the stage where he's just gonna say the opposite, just because, you know, but he might not be aware of it himself. He might not really know like, maybe he likes to play video games. But is it because it's fun, because it's distracting or whatever? So after asking, I'm going to presume that the answer that people give at different ages for different reasons is not the full answer. It's but in general, it's going to be a mix of the answer plus a few layers on top of protecting themselves of what they think you want. They think you want to hear what they think is the right answer. So then want to ask a series of confirming, clarifying questions, not not putting myself so if I say, you know, I'm gonna ask you what, what's, what's your passion behind leadership? What is leadership matters so much to you? You'll probably give me an answer. Whatever your answer, whatever your answer is, if I repeat it back to you, even if I get a word for word, exactly what you said, Your words can't match what's in your heart and in your mind, so I'm not going to get it quite right. Even if I say exactly what you said. So you're probably gonna say no, that's not quite right. If I asked you, what, can you correct me, and then I keep confirming, clarifying until you go. Yes, that's it. That's exactly it. Now I know what motivates you. Now I have something now I have the intrinsic thing inside you, one of many of you know, an infinite number of things that motivate you. It could be experiences, it could be hopes, dreams, but it's gonna be something that I identify as. If it's, if it's something very particular to you, it's probably not, it's probably something more deep down, that I can empathize with, when I get something like that, then I can if I can connect that to the task, then I will inspire the person. But how to do all that. I mean, I just jumped like, this week's worth of of the course, into one quick thing, because it takes a while to learn how to ask the question effectively, how to listen how to confirm and clarify.Ari Gronich 19:42 Yeah, but you have you have that outline that you've been able to very clearly Express so I'm answering as a as a as an educator, ya know, it's ask questions. Learn about the person that that you're trying to motivate. So, know and then assess and reassess. clarify, those are all great tips for for the audience. So no,Joshua Spodek 20:06 I appreciate, I would say not so much. Sorry to interrupt but not so much tips as signposts to go along the way the tips would be like practice the basics. I would tips would be like what to do specifically to develop the skills. Right. SoAri Gronich 20:20 okay, so questioning skills. So let's, let's go to that one first, what what are some tips on how to develop questioning skills? In in this area of finding out what exactly it's so I'll just give you so there's a difference between asking questions to gather a solution or just solve a problem. And there's ways to ask questions to interrogate and basically get somebody to admit what you already think that they want to know what you, you know, think that they want to tell you. So there's two different ways to ask questions in my world. In your world, how do you ask questions that lead to the results that you want to get?Joshua Spodek 20:59 Well, in this area, I would say start with the expect expectation that they have a passion is different than what you expect, when I say passion, I mean, strong motivation, not necessarily related to like physical passions, just a strong motivation, take for granted that they do. And it's probably not what you expect, it will be a mix of what you expect plus other things. So when you get an answer, so you're going to get something about them that you couldn't possibly know except that they will tell you. And when they tell you, it's gonna be a mix of what is in there, plus some protection plus these other things. So but they want, it's one of the great feelings in life, is to share what you care about most, to someone who supports you for it. So your questions when you confirm and clarify. Here's a way to get them to shut up or to clam up is to judge them. And even positive judgment, people like Oh, if I said it was good, well, I know when someone judges me one way, if I let them do that, all they want that at some point is going to go the other way. So I generally don't say, Oh, I try to avoid good, bad, right and wrong, better, worse, improve words that have been judged to have judgment built in. And then, so if someone says, you know, if I say, Why do you seem to really like doing x? what's the what's the motivation behind it? And this is something I don't say, Oh, that's a good reason. And I definitely don't say that's a bad reason. I say, I might comment on how I feel that like, Oh, that's interesting, but not in a judgmental way. Not in a good, bad, right, wrong way. Um, and I try not to, I try to avoid injecting myself like, if they say I do it, because of this, I say, Oh, really, I do it because of that. Then they kind of pick up Oh, he wasn't, he doesn't care about me. He just he was looking for an excuse to talk about himself. Which I'm I, which I often do. And that doesn't, that that's more for me, not for them, and therefore it's not conducive for leading for leadership. That's more entertainment for myself.Ari Gronich 23:08 Okay, so again, I you know, I think I want to just clarify, the questioning is meant to lead to a motivation, not an interrogation of judgment, like you're not putting a judgment on the person of whether their answers right or wrong, good or bad, up or down and indifferent. It's just trying to gather information, very flat.Joshua Spodek 23:33 Yeah. Build information and develop a relationship of rapport with a person of support, supportive, non judgmental, curiosity. So that they, they, when I repeat back to them, and when I really get it, a motivation, they say, Yeah, that's it. That feeling is a very, the feeling of feeling understood. For something important. is a it's a, how to describe it's a it's a feeling that's as powerful as love, I would say, to feel understood by someone euphoric. Yeah. And it makes me it makes me want to open up more with person when someone does that with me. I mean, the fact that you just clarified with me, this just are talking about I don't know if listeners could pick up on this, but I was like, Oh, yeah, I do want to clarify, like, I want to make sure he gets this and when you get it, I feel like oh man, now that I've told you that. And if I get support on that, I feel motivated to tell you more things about myself. From a leadership perspective, if you have people telling you more and more things about themselves that they care about. That's more and more things that you can leave them with. And this is not leading them like telling them what to do. It's helping them act on what they really care about. SoAri Gronich 24:53 watching out for the manipulation, right, so I want to just kind of break Part of you know, we're talking about motivation can be used for good or bad, right? So once you get a hold of their motivation, right, so how does somebody tell if somebody who's leading them is gathering their motivations for the benefit or the not benefit? So, motivations that could be like, well, I want you to take this poison, because it'll be good for the country, right? Or I want you to, you know, it's like, so how do I get Okay, so I know that you're really, really patriotic, right? And so you will take that poison, because you believe fully that it's good for the country. So that would be to me like a, what could possibly be an abuse of leadership versus something that would be more positive? So how do we how do we, as a listener, as an audience member who's maybe being led or wanting to lead? How do they make sure that they do it with pure motivation, or that they're being led from somebody who has pure motivation, versus being led through fraud or, you know, that's the word withholding of information not being completely authentic?Joshua Spodek 26:22 Well, this, so this is pretty powerful stuff, and you're working with people's deep emotions, and you could easily hurt someone this way. You definitely when you do this, and it takes months to develop it. or years, some people stumble on it, maybe founded as a child just to happen to get a technique like it. And Eisenhower said, you know, leadership, paraphrase here, is getting him to do your thing for his reason. And so if the very similar to what I'm talking about, and you will, when someone opens up with you, and shares these things, you will feel a Machiavellian feeling of like, Oh, now I can get them to do things. You will also, even from a purely Machiavellian standpoint, you will recognize, if you use that once that way, that's it, you've lost that you've made an enemy of that person, they're gonna hate you. And so even if you were purely psychopathic, you'd recognize I can't speak to what it's like for somebody who's psychopathic. But if you're, you're gonna realize you, you got one shot at ruining the relationship, this person forever, and you're not gonna want to do it. But they're also going toAri Gronich 27:35 have that set up. That's on a one to one. Let me I'm just gonna interject. So you you consult with politicians. So politicians are famous for making promises and leading people into places where they are literally where the people are literally voting against their own self interests. Right? So yes, on a one on one basis, the person may know, okay, my motivation is a little Machiavellian, I might want to turn that down so that I don't isolate this one person who I'm in relationship with. But when you're a politician, and you're ruling over 100,000 1,000,002 million, or however many, and you don't have those personal relationships, you tend to get led down a wrong line. And so as a as an audience, let's say a voter, right, who's voting for policy, who wants to know that they're being led by somebody who is being authentic and non Machiavellian, right? How do they recognize that?Joshua Spodek 28:39 Well, I want to recognize that we've completely switched domains. Learning to play piano is one thing, learning how to command an audience at Rock, not rocking at Lincoln Center say, it's a very different thing. showmanship on stage is very different. There's a lot of stage music, session musicians, who are technically proficient and you play music better than anyone, but they can't, you know, work a crowd, right? Likewise, is playing musicians who can they know to chords, but they can work crowd. And so it's very different sets of skills to lead one person one on one, which is what we were talking about, and leading a large group of people. So leaving that large group of people. That's a whole other story. I mean,Ari Gronich 29:21 as you know, leadership is like you are on stage at a TEDx. You're leading an audience of people, it's not a one on one conversation, right? So a lot of what we do in life these days, is designed to not be one on one to lead groups and, you know, we're looking at this new society, so to speak, and going okay, how do I how do I find my place of leadership here? And so I think we are starting to need to focus on those large groups as well. And yeah, I get your point that one, you got to learn one before you learn three before Learn 20.Joshua Spodek 30:02 Yeah, there was a lot of questions there, how do we protect ourselves against somebody manipulating us through getting the whole crowd to do something, and then you're getting swept up with the crowd. And then realizing later why I didn't mean to do that at all. I mean, there's a lot of personal leadership, to protect yourself against these things to know what your values are to know, to identify these techniques ahead of time, to leadership, IAri Gronich 30:27 just want to purse that's what I was hoping you would go to as the personal leadership.Joshua Spodek 30:32 Yeah. And also, what is your circle of friends who hiring is a major piece of leadership. If you hire people who are misaligned with the mission of your company, or your team or your friendship, it's not gonna work out, even if they're, they're great at what they do, but they don't really value what your mission is. So whom you hang out with, how you reflect and other times and being aware of what your values are, and acting on those things. Everybody has. Everybody values, family, everybody values, health, everybody values. civic duty, in some sense. The question is not do you value these things? The question is, when one is pitted against the other, which do you choose? That's much more challenging. If you value your fitness, but you also value saving money. Someone sometimes they're at odds. So which one do you pick, if you don't face these challenges yourself, these these choices, you don't really know your values. You can read about Plato's values, and Aristotle's and compare and contrast with Maya Angelou all you want. But you don't know your values until you face these things. So as you said earlier, on a small scale, you got to do these things when the when it's not like life or death. Then when you're in situations where it's like a major thing, what do I do? I mean, an example I use a lot is Muhammad Ali, when he won the Olympic gold medal, he became heavyweight champion of the world. He opposed the Vietnam War. And they drafted him. And he, they said, Are you gonna cross this line and he refused to cross the line, he said, I'm a conscientious objector lots of lots more depth than this. He didn't make that choice at that line. He reflected on that a lot before. And before now, we look back at Vietnam as a controversial affair. At that time, even Jackie Robinson said, Ali go, you know, they're not going to make him fight. He's not going to put his health at risk. And this was the army that had, you know, beaten Hitler. It didn't have a Vietnam in his background. So he had faced these things on his own before on a world stage to ask them. Another story I talked about a lot on Dave Chappelle. I don't know if you know this. A lot of people know that he was on offered $50 million contracts when Dave Chappelle when the Chappelle show is doing really well. And he walked away. So actually, on inside the Actor's Studio, he was being interviewed by James Lipton. And he tells a story about when he was graduating high school. His father says, so what are you gonna do? And he went to a performance arts high school. And his answer was like this really cocky, I want to be a great comedian. And comedy is not like an easy path to success. So his father says, Well, if you're, if you feel that way about if you're so confident, I think you should do it. But things can get crazy in Hollywood, you don't know. Name, your price now, figure out what's beyond what you're willing to do now when you're calm. And then, okay, so now he's talking to James Lipton, he turns to the audience who all know about his later history, he goes, hence,Unknown Speaker 33:55 Africa.Joshua Spodek 33:56 Meaning after his father gave him that advice, he reflected and thought, and spent his time and faces, you know, what's what's right for me? What's wrong for me? And when it got to create who knows what they weren't, like, Here's $50 million, have a great time. They're saying, Who knows what was attached to that? Who knows what kind of craziness goes on in Hollywood, right? And his name is price. And at both cases, Ali and Chappelle disappeared for a while Ali almost went bankrupt at the prime of his career, came back and became heavyweight champion the world again. And I think that's what helped him become not just the greatest boxer. I think many call them the greatest of all time of like everything, but certainly a major figure of the 20th century, Chappelle. I mean, his specials now are bigger than the Chappelle show was I think, well, it's special. It's something special. But you know, you got named the the Mark Twain award from the Kennedy Center he gotAri Gronich 34:54 as a beautiful ceremony. Yeah.Joshua Spodek 34:56 And again, he was talking about I will fight for your freedom to speak Your mind because I believe in this art. So these are examples of preparation that most of us will not face on the scale that they did with the world looking on with 10s of millions of dollars at stake. But it's the same technique that gets us that reflection, and what what is your price at a time preparation?Ari Gronich 35:20 asking those questions is,Unknown Speaker 35:22 to me,Ari Gronich 35:23 you know, like one of the best things you could do before you do anything. And I find that it's, it's a very difficult thing to get others to ask their own questions. It's like they can reflect if I'm asking them the question. It's hard to get people to come up with and then reflect on their own questions. Do you have any specific questions that you suggest people ask themselves?Joshua Spodek 35:53 More than the questions is really, you have to face the challenge yourself? You have to? It's not just which like, which do I value more between saving money or fitness? make that choice, you know, do go for the, I'm trying to think of like a situation where money and fitness go against each other?Ari Gronich 36:13 Or do you and afford what Tim can't afford? The equipment can't afford the proper food? You know, I mean, there's the crazy thing is that all the reasons why people do that. And,Joshua Spodek 36:24 you know, I'm smiling, because all the things you're talking about of like going, I don't like paying for gyms. And so I have my kettlebells over there, and all those bodyweight exercises. And you can just see the tip of my rowing machine over there. And so I have all this, I figured out how to exercise at like, a fraction of the cost of what other people what people pay, I paid 10 years of people pay per month that catwalks and can you tell how proud I am of that. Actually, that's and then with the food, I find out how to get I build relationships with the farmers at the farmers market. So I get vegetables much cheaper than everyone else does. Because they liked me because I talked to them. And, and I buy in season, so it's all and so I spend less money than most do, even though I get the highest quality. You know, right farm fresh vegetables. So that's why I had trouble picking that example. Because I found out how to be fit and save money, and how to eat healthy and save money. and delicious.Ari Gronich 37:21 A lot of people a lot of people don't really know that that's a, you know, possible, but I, you know, obviously 27 years I've been doing this and most of the ways that a person can get healthy costs a lot less than being sick. It's just a fact. And, you know, but as a leaders like questions, so like I'm writing a course right now on questioning, it's just all kinds of questions and ways to ask yourself things that will lead you towards wherever you want to go. So you personally lead yourself, I'm kind of like guiding the leading of themselves in that stuff. But the questioning the kinds of questions like, you could ask a question like, Why me? Or you can ask a question like, how much better could it get, you know, like, very different kinds of questions and how they lead your brain to an answer. So,Joshua Spodek 38:16 when you when you say questions like that, then my, my advices there is, is make those a dialogue with multiple people. I meditate regularly. And that's very useful. And there's something that happens when you talk to someone else. So to supportive, non judgmental, but still challenging. That definitely a think of those questions solo, meditate on them. Think about them, when you're lying in bed at night, or waking up in the morning and you have you know, nothing's getting in your way. Also, talk to your best friends about it, talk to your boss about it, talk to co workers, talk to your mom and dad, talk to your kids talk to me,Ari Gronich 38:55 what are they talking to them about? Because I'll tell you the truth, what it what it feels like, in my head, as you're saying that is find out your your life on by committee, you know, what your, your what's important to you by committee? What's uh, you know, it's like, I'm asking myself about, what is it as important to me as a leader? Or how do i do you know, so it's like, I wouldn't want to do that by committee, so to speak, I might want to ask them afterwards. What's your opinion on this as well, but after I'd already gotten to my real truth, my personal truth?Joshua Spodek 39:33 Well, I don't think you're going to get two final answers on these things. I mean, you'll get an answer that's right for you at that time. And I think that'll change as you age as things change. Of course, when you sit by committee that imply that feels to me, like you're trying to find a consensus or, but what I'm saying I'm suggesting is have people challenge you. So if I say, you know, I forget the questions you just asked, but like, what, like, what do I want out of a career That's an interesting question to ponder. And if I talk to some people about it and say, you know, push me on this challenge me, it's not to not for them to annoy me not for that, but for them to think of like, what might? What? from their experience that I have not had, but they had? Will they see that? I haven't. Um, you know, john Stuart Mill talked about if your idea hasn't been challenged, you don't really know you may be right, but you don't know it. You may you may be, there may be something more, something better for you that you haven't hit on yet. That when challenged to support why you'll hit on? That's what I'm going for is it's not a committee so much as a devil's advocates, or people to provoke greater reflection.Ari Gronich 40:50 Okay, I can see that. I just think that that should be done after the personal authentic reflection, and then, and then somebody can like, okay, now, what do you think of this? And maybe you have growth for me from where I'm at? But I would do the personal question first, personally, but, but I do understand how getting input from multiple places is going to increase your awareness of yourself.Joshua Spodek 41:21 I certainly didn't mean it as a solo as the only thing to do, as augment.Ari Gronich 41:27 Yeah, no, absolutely. Like said, I'm just reflecting, I'm trying to make sure that I'm clear, the audience is clear that, you know, that the information is, is disseminate in a way that everybody kind of is on the same level of what they hear. So when I, when I heard you, I heard, get people to challenge you, in what you're wanting to do. And I hate first thing is first, I just want to, you know, for me, at least, like I asked myself questions, and then I go, Okay, so this is what I want to do. Do you think that this is a good, you know, road, bad road? What are your experiences on this road, and getting other people's input? of that? So I'm, I'm wanting like, to be very specific, so the audience can be clear on what you're saying. I hope that makes it more helpful for them. If that makes sense, what I just said, yeah. Yeah. I mean, as you were saying it for me, I think I think of I do reflect personally, and come to some results. And then but I, I personally don't think what more is there after this? What have I not thought of? And so I don't think of it as that my solo answers. I don't think it was like the right ones are the best ones. They're not final. It's a step on the way. Nothing is final death. Yes. IJoshua Spodek 42:58 was just gonna say it's just a min until death. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. SoAri Gronich 43:04 yeah. so fascinating things about you. I just want to break up the tension a little bit. You spent time in Manhattan off the grid.Joshua Spodek 43:17 So I'm not quite off the grid. I intend to get off the grid. I'm working very hard at it. And so I have over there my battery, but I haven't even gotten the solar panels to attach to it that I think I can I think I can pull it up the next 12Ari Gronich 43:29 to 24 months. Yeah, I am. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So that plan is in is in motion. It's in motion. So where are you now with it? And why did you decide to do it? I mean, I remember talking to you about the minimalist in this simple life, right, and how happy you are. And people are really looking to get happy these days. So, you know, tell me why you chose this as a way to simplify your your happiness.Joshua Spodek 43:56 It's been a long process, when I was a kid, I would never have thought of like, less, you know, I definitely thought you know, whoever dies with the most toys wins. And I had a friend whose parents were richer, and I was always trying to catch up with all the stuff he was always getting computers and cameras and stuff and and then, you know, one of the early stages is wall behind me that has a blackboard used to be all books. And getting rid of the books was really hard. It took several iterations and probably a year of first getting rid of the really books I knew I'd never read again, and then getting rid of ones that are a little more interesting, but not really that interesting. And then eventually getting rid of like the big books that I really cared about, but knowing I, I didn't eat them. And that's a whole process that people can go through on their own then. And there are various different things that I do over time that I've come to associate getting rid of unnecessary things as bring as creating freedom. Yeah, getting rid of like my marathon medals. I got rid of those. I was like, oh, as soon as I got rid of I was like that was a mistake. Like that was they're irreplaceable. But then later, after a couple years of regretting it now You know what? I'm glad that I get rid of them because I ran. I mean, I came in like 10,000 plates. It's like, no one knows who came in second Timothy two. What's his name? The guy one knows it comes in second for if it came behind Michael Phelps, right, right. I came in 10,000 place second. Like it's pretty far from second. So what's so big about these things. And then after that I ran a couple more marathons. And so I had these other these other medals I was like, now I know not to get them in the first place. It's hard to get rid of something once you've acquired it and start getting those connections to it or attachments to it. But I put on Craigslist, free put up on free for on Craigslist. And some guy can't pick them up. He wanted some other stuff that I was offering free at the same time. I said, Oh, I'd love to metal. I was like, what do you what the metals for anyway. And it's like, oh, his girlfriend was training for her first half marathon. And he wanted to give it to her as like a show of appreciation for that and motivation to go for the full marathon. So I'm so happy that this is getting used for something more. So cool. That's cool. ThenAri Gronich 46:08 I just released like, I think 1500 conference IDs. You know, the little things you have and your IDs with your name on them for constant conference you've ever been to? Yeah, I think I just cost about 1500. How did it feel? felt great. Yeah. Before you did it were like all what if I regret it? Oh, no, I saved them. For years, I was planning on putting them in a in a like, Curio thing I wanted to display like, look at all this stuff that I did, right to grow and learn and like, proud of them. And I spoke here and I spoke there. And then I just was like, now it's time. Just gotta go. And it feltJoshua Spodek 46:54 so good. So these experiences, I mean, there's all sorts of experiences like that. And the more I've done it, the more or there's definitely things I reflect on, I'm like, No, keep this one. And recently that happened, I was like I there's something I was going through. I was like, I gotta go through this once for the last time and get rid of it. I'm going through I was like, oh, at least one more time after this. And okay, so about a year and a half ago, I was reading an article about how other cultures, they refrigerate less than they, Vietnam in particular, they ferment a lot. And they don't refrigerate so much. And you know, I'm sustainability is a very important thing for me. And you know, there's a big challenge with wind and solar are intermittent. So sometimes they can't provide power. So one way to address that is to become more resilient. So I was curious, as individuals as a society, we don't really value resilience so much we talk about it, but we don't value it too much. So I wondered if I could, what if I had to go without power? What if I, so I unplugged my fridge for a while. And I ended up making three months that time. And I had no idea. I could do it. And but then from meditation I was it stopped being about what I was giving up. And it became what I was adopting. And that was last winter. This winter, I went did it. And actually now I think today, tomorrow marks six and a half months that my fridge has been unplugged. And I would have thought was crazy. But I keep learning more about how people used to mean refrigerators been around what 100 years, humans have been around for what 300,000. And I'm eating better. It's really, I'm very surprised at this. And when I realized that when I got an electric bill $1.70 I got to $4.70 the last one's $1.40 I'll see what the next one is. I was like I want if I can go off grid, it was really just stumbling into following my nose to in the direction of acting on my values of stewardship to see where it would lead. I didn't I didn't think like let's go off grid. But now that it not I'm within striking distance of it. I'm like, let's see if I can do it.Ari Gronich 49:14 I like how you said acting on my values. How often do you see people who do not act on their values? And the question that I would have for you is what are the tricks or the things that have made you strong enough to act on your values? While most people would talk about sustainability? I'll give you al gore as an example. He's flying around on private jets, his house takes up more electricity than like seven other residential properties, right? Not that now at least that was like 20 years ago, but that you get the idea right? Some people act on their value. Some people just talk about them. So how do you get to a place where acting on them is your default.Joshua Spodek 50:02 Well, this is the eternal challenge of life. I mean, acting on your values, values, what's evaluate good, bad, what? To actually evaluate means to do what you think is good. And maybe different than other people's values, but your values, but and that's in conflict with with what's easier often, or what everyone else is doing. So the more that you act by your values, the more than let me speak personally, theAri Gronich 50:24 more that I act on my values, the more that I improve my life, improve, make more good. And one of the things that you told me you did is you stopped flying.Joshua Spodek 50:34 Yeah, although that came after. Right morning packaged food. Right.Ari Gronich 50:38 And you said that that helped your life, which most people will find interesting, because your travel for a living? SoJoshua Spodek 50:48 yeah, that Well, I didn't originally choose to stop flying totally. I originally chose to go without flying for a year. expecting it to be a horrible year. I at that time, I felt like I'm taking one for the team. But I gotta find out. This doesn't sound sustainable. All this flying? Could I get by without it? I was surprised after two, three months of it. That, again, it wasn't what I was getting rid of it what I replaced it with, which is much more community connection, spending more time with family having more control over my career, I would have thought it'd be the opposite. I think I'd spend less time and family have less control of my career. And when I didn't have the option of flying, I was able to create more of those things, not less. Sort of construction. I was not too loud. It's all right. This should be the unidirectional. So it's all right.Ari Gronich 51:45 No problem. So what are,Unknown Speaker 51:50 you know?Joshua Spodek 51:52 Oh, I'm sorry. And again, it's practicing the basics. It's really starting with the simpler things. If I had not challenged myself to go without packaged food for a week, there's no way I would have gone for not flying. And the packaged food I also thought was gonna be you know, I live in Manhattan. It's like great food everywhere. And am I going to say no to the best chefs in the world, or you know, some of them. And again, that that pattern that I described with the flat with the not flying happened with the food too. It's not that I I don't feel like I'm missing out on restaurants now. Because when I go to the farmers market, it's just this cornucopia of like right now over here I got the strawberries are the season in New York, I haven't had strawberries in 10 months because they weren't in season. But my joy of strawberries is greater now than it was before. Now that experience with the strawberries with farmers markets instead of restaurants. That experience on a small scale, gave me the gumption to try it on a bigger scale with the flying. But even the avoiding packaged food on that scale that came from other things before that. So I didn't practice in the basics, play my scales. Got it. SoAri Gronich 53:10 deprivation leads to happiness.Joshua Spodek 53:17 I wouldn't say that it's a if I had to pick anything, it would be more like Jocko willing, he said some discipline equals freedom. So it looked like deprivation. But it was living, my value was stewardship. My value was leaving the earth better than I found that my value was not polluting other people's air that they breathed. That was the value. From that value flying doesn't fit. It doesn't work. Now that benefits the flying benefited me. So now I would say it felt in retrospect, it felt it looks selfish to me what I was doing, but I want to see the Eiffel Tower, I want to say Machu Picchu. Okay, some people. Now I would say people have been displaced from their homes to drill for the oil. 9 million people died in 2019 from breathing air from breathing that air didn't know that came out the back of you know vehicles. And I'm grossly simplifying here. Right. So the question was, could I live by value of stewardship to other service to others, even when I felt like but I'm gonna miss out on the Eiffel Tower. And this is the answer to your question you asked before is how do you do what you think is right, even when it's easier not to is you practice new practice in practice? That's what I've done. And it's worked out for me so far. I believe that I'm happier now than I've ever been. I believe that I'm more effective than I've ever been. And I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything.Ari Gronich 54:51 That's awesome. I i've been simplifying my brain a little bit with having a son and As I, as I'm listening to you again, you know, so glad to talk to you because I definitely create a structure. And I've told my son, you know, like, the more structure you have, the more freedom you have. And the more discipline the more you're able to, you know, discipline yourself and focus, the more time you'll have. So I try to give him the consequence, good or bad to the action, you know, as my way of being in leadership to him. But it does sound like like, the idea is to really challenge yourself to live the value that you speak. And this human condition is full of contradiction. And what do we do with the contradiction other than play with it and practice, like you say, you know, you got to practice focusing, if you want to be able to focus, it's not something that you're born with, you got to practice it. You got to practice learning to play piano, right? Got to practice leadership skills. So where are ways that people can can? Like, I know you have a training program that you use for leadership. So tell us a little bit about that. I don't normally do promotion, but I just felt called to ask you.Joshua Spodek 56:29 Okay, well, I also want to comment that there are plenty of things I've tried, that didn't work out. Yoga comes to mind, I did it for a couple years, I really loved working with my instructor. But ultimately, it's just, that was not it didn't hit for me. And there are plenty of other things that I try. I was like, you know, that's not right. So it's not like this is like a non stop path is lots of wrong term, not wrong terms, but you know, explore explorations that don't pan out. So and there's also a video that comes to mind, I call this the most boring video online, if you if you search for it's like LeBron James practicing for an hour as him with the trainer. And he is just practicing, like, he dribbles a bit. He does, like a whole bunch of free throws a whole bunch of whatever different stretches and things. There's, I don't think they even I don't think they even talk. So it's really boring. But you've seen him play. I mean, he does spin moves and crazy stuff on the court that like you can't imagine he doesn't actually practice those. He practices the basics. And that's how you get those things. It's an you know, when I dance, I took dance lessons for a while. I like it, I'm glad it did. I'm not gonna become a dancer. But I remember Oh, salsa, and I kept asking, like, what about the spin moves all these spin boots, I wanted to spin moves, and the instructor kept saying it's the feet, you got to get the feet, right. It's the rhythm. So my rhythm was terrible. And, and eventually, I was like, Oh, it's in the feet. And it's really, the more you do these things, the more you get back to these very basic things. And a lot of what I do is really giving people very basic skills. And the more you practice them, the more that the the what the shine is the thrills that not the thrills the fancy stuff comes if you practice the basics, if you don't practice the basics. It's pretty tough. And some of the basics are a lot of like, my book has four units, understand yourself, lead yourself, understand others, lead others. And it's a progression. And each set of exercises is different. Like understand yourself is more reflective, introspective, lead yourself is more getting advice from people, disciplining, applying discipline so that you can put these things into practice. lead others is much more about what we're talking about earlier, is making them feel comfortable sharing what motivates them so that you can connect that to the tasks so that they act on intrinsic motivation. And, you know, for the different types of each skill has different types of exercises to help build those things. And if that's too glib of an answer, or too high level,Ari Gronich 59:17 yeah, no, not at all. No, it's, it's a perfect answer. So how can people get ahold of you if they'd like to? chat with you?Joshua Spodek 59:25 So JoshuaSpodek.com everything's there. In the upper right corner is the links to the books and the TEDx talks and to contact me. I mean, I'm on I'm on social media, but it's, it's much more of the blog and the podcast is where I put most of my stuff out. Absolutely.Ari Gronich 59:41 Thank you so much for for coming on. You know, I am a I'm a believer that in order to create a new tomorrow, we have to challenge ourselves like a lobster in its shell. You know, you got to break free from one shell before you can get to your next shell. It's not comfortable, it's not easy. But if we have more conversations that explore these kinds of, you know, topics, then we'll get to a deeper truth. And that deeper truth, my hope is, will help to activate people's vision for a better world so that they can truly lead themselves and lead others. And, and we can change the world together. So I really appreciate you being on here. So thank you very much for coming.Joshua Spodek 1:00:29 Thank you for having me. I hope that I think I said things that I think me in the past would have benefited from different people may resonate or not, but I hope I hope for some people at least, that we things that we shared, help them further their path.Ari Gronich 1:00:44 Absolutely. Thank you so much. And this has been another episode of create a new tomorrow, I've been your host Ari Gronich with Josh spodek. Thank you so much for coming on. And remember, we're activating your vision for a better world. So what are you going to do today, tomorrow and next week, to really live your perfect life. Thank you for listening to this podcast. 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Hi, I am here with Joshua Spodek, He is a three-time TEDx speaker, #1 bestselling author of Initiative and Leadership Step by Step, host of the award-winning This Sustainable Life podcast, and professor at NYU.He holds a PhD in astrophysics and an MBA from Columbia, where he studied under a Nobel Laureate and helped launch a satellite (having emerged from some of Philadelphia's most dangerous neighborhoods). He left academia to found a venture to market an invention that showed animated images to subway riders between stations.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY JOSHUA SPODEK FOR MORE INFO:https://joshuaspodek.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.#Podcast #health #Education #CreateANewTomorrowJoshua Spodek 0:00 You can rely on authority if you have to, and what is authority? If not, the ability to hurt someone, if they don't do what you tell them to do? Well, that's almost an invitation for them to undermine that authority if they can, because I don't want you to hurt me. If I don't do what you tell me to do, but if you can find out why I if you can find something, a motivation inside me that you can connect with a task, then I'll want to do it for my intrinsic motivation. That's what I really work on. That's not very well taught in school. And, and yet, it's not that hard to teach.
Hi, I am here with Chase russell, As Founder and CEO of Russell Aviation. he have made his mission to build a company around service and excellence. Providing affordable private flights, on an unscheduled basis from their home base in Punta Gorda, Florida to Anywhere in the Southeastern, U.S and the Caribbean. Their pricing structure is what sets them apart from the countless other private air charter companies available. He aim to change the private charter experience by offering cost-friendly flights while staying true to the luxury of flying private!CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY CHASE RUSSELL FOR MORE INFO:https://russellaircharter.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.#Podcast #health #Education #CreateANewTomorrow++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:07 Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow, I'm your host Ari Gronich with me today I have Chase Russell, I am not going to do my normal, spectacular introduction of Chase, because he's just, you just can't do it with this guy. I mean, from wars, and combat to owning his own plane company at 25. I mean, you can't explain the path that this young man is on to shift and change the world. So Chase, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself. And kind of one of the the main things that makes you who you are and what and do what you are doing and why.Chase Russell 0:58 So I'm chase Russell and I, I'm an Air Force veteran, I did two tours in Afghanistan, and I did one in another in the Middle East for a year long stint. And I decided to get out of the military and said, Hey, you know, I always wanted to be an entrepreneur, I wanted to go into business. I loved aviation. So let's let's start a private airline. And at the time, I was unaware that you could start a private airline. And most people say that to me, they're like you. I didn't even know you could just do that. Apparently, you can. And that's, that's good news for me. Man, I was like, what's going to be our niche. So our niche is making private charters affordable. So everybody wants to fly privately. But it's extremely expensive. And I was like, it shouldn't be that way. And so we started building the premise of Russell aviation, and we built it on the premise of an affordable private charter. And it's really taken off, since I've got out in 2019. And I'm excited for the future of it.Ari Gronich 1:55 So let's get into it. Us policies and politics, the foreign policies, especially, you've been a contractor, you've had to go to war you've been overseas, you've had a lot of time to spend studying this particular topic, right? Absolutely. So So tell us is what we're doing very efficient.Unknown Speaker 2:25 I don't think the way I see it, okay, I've spent a spent the majority of my adult life in the Middle East. I like you said, I worked as a contractor. I worked in the military over there. So I've seen both sides of the fence on this. In the short answer, no. It's not effective in any way possible. You can't fight though the way I say it is you can't fight ideology with with bombs, you know, that you're not going to change someone's mind by by blowing up their town or by, you know, assisted suicide, whatever you want to call it. It's just not how it works. I mean, anybody can agree with that. I think the way I look at it, it's just not it's not effective. The way we went into it's not effective. I'm sure there's a there's a much deeper cause behind the reason we're in Afghanistan. But as far as I don't, I don't negate the fact that there's a lot of people there that they're, they're there because they were told to be there and they have a job to do. Okay, I was in the military. I understand how that goes. And I appreciate that. And I'm not gonna sit here and say that the the war in Afghanistan is a shamble. But it's been going on now for for decades. I mean, I know, people that their dad fought, and now they're fighting it, you know, and that's, that's not how it should be. It should be operated. Whether you pull out completely of Afghanistan or anywhere in the Middle East, I don't know. But I mean, the general rule of thumb is they don't, they don't really want you there. The Middle Easterners don't want you there. We wouldn't want Russians on our soil. So why would Why would they want us there?Ari Gronich 4:07 You know that it's a funny thing. The whole concept to me, of borders, and territories and things are it's kind of a distasteful thing to my humanity. And I'll just share with you why and then I'll let you kind of go but I'm Jewish, right. So there's right now a lot of Israeli Palestinian fighting.Unknown Speaker 4:37 AndAri Gronich 4:39 the media is sharing what the media shares which is not the truth in any way, shape, or form. And so I take it from from a perspective of what's in a border and in a border in the nature of a border is division between two sides between two kinds of cultures between two kinds of people. To me, what we've done in the US should be the prototype for the world. However, as far as integration of culture, however, the way that we do it is such a bully ish way, it's going to be our culture, or nobody's right? It'll be the culture we create, or nobody else's. And that's what division and borders do to me, in my head. So, you know, like, if I look on a satellite image of the world, there are no lines separating states, right? There are no lines separating countries, there is no, no natural reason for creating territory's borders other than we're not comfortable being around people who are not exactly like us. So I wanted you to talk a little bit about that.Unknown Speaker 6:10 I think if you if you look at the history, I mean, let's let's talk on the borders for a minute, you know, let's look at the history of it. prior to World War One, you had the Ottoman Empire, the Persians, you know, after World War One, they decided, hey, let's just draw a bunch of borders, if we're talking about the Middle East and Europe, and that's where you see a lot of this division. That's where you see a lot of this. And then of course, with Israel 1948 when when Israel became a state, but you're you're right, and you're accurate in the sense that there's no you can look at a satellite image, and there's no borders, you know, but it's, it's an it's an understood goes to an understanding of cultural norms.Ari Gronich 6:48 Right? I think that, for me, the issue becomes this concept of, they're coming over and taking from me, right. So when I was in Greece, during the Paralympics, for instance, all I heard from the Greek people was about the Albanians coming over and stealing the jobs reminded me a little bit about the US concept of the Mexican people coming over and stealing the jobs. And then I was in another country, and they were talking about a different country that was coming over and stealing the jobs, right? Like, every country has people who want to be there. And some who could be not there. Right. And I guess we're where, where that division comes from, is that we are a global planet, most humans tend to roam, we are roaming people we like to explore, we like to adventure, we like to see new things. And I think that part of the division in our policies are the division that we've placed with borders and stopping people, in some ways and respects from being able to freely travel the world. And when they don't really travel the world, you don't get to experience other people's cultures in a way that's like, that's the predominant culture that you're experiencing different from your own. Right, and therefore we don't understand each other's cultures, we don't know the same language of each other's cultures. And so we don't tend to want to be friendly with other people. And I think that that's part of our specific foreign policy. And I'm not sure whyUnknown Speaker 8:40 people are afraid of the unknown. That's I think that's a lot of the issue that you're hitting on is people are afraid of the unknown. All right, everybody's terrified of something they don't understand or don't know. And then it's one thing that I, I'm very fortunate that I've been able to get out of the United States, I've been able to go experience other cultures and I'm the type of person that when I get to another culture, I immerse myself in it and I become, I become whatever you know, form you need to become because that's one respectful and to you're going to get a much better view of the culture. For instance, I, I was in Haiti, after the earthquake, I did a mission down to Haiti. And I speak I was learning French in high school, and I was very, I was really in love with learning French. So when I went down there, I didn't speak in English. I spoke nothing but French the entire time. And I was I think I was 17 at the time. And that's been just an amazing cultural change and shift in my life, just from that one trip that I did down there and got to you know, you'd learn so much more about the people when you can connect with them and I, I had never, I had never been to Haiti. I knew nothing about Haiti when I got there other than they spoke French and I easily became a Haitian. I'm not saying I am but I'm just saying like It was it was amazing. And it was fun. And they really accepted that and they were really respectful. Same, that's kind of all the sound.Ari Gronich 10:07 Yeah, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna add one to the determination. So we've got plan, action steps, we've got determination, I'm going to add one to it for you. And that's resilience. and resilience is probably one of the most important pieces to being an entrepreneur, and to making a difference in the world in general, because you're going to get kicked, you're gonna make have missteps, you're gonna have things that get in the way. And your ability to be resilient. And bounce back is always the most important thing. One of my sayings is, if you're not dead, it ain't over. So you're not done. I tell people, you can't fall off the wagon, you're not on a wagon, you're in life, you're in a body or you're in until you're dead, you're still on. And so at any moment, at any second, at any millisecond, you can make a decision and a choice to change the course of your life forever. And that is really awesome. ThatUnknown Speaker 11:17 No, I agree with that. 100% the resilience side of things. In that kind of goes back to my there's positive motivation, negative motivation, you know, something bad happens to you just look at it like, okay, cool, something bad happened to me, that's gonna motivate me to do better take a different route or take a different path, you know, whatever it is. And if something positive happens to you celebrate it for a minute, move on to the next thing, you know, and the more you start to celebrate the negatives, the more you're going to start to realize that they're not really negative. That's what's crazy about it is the more you stop looking at things negatively, and the more you start building a positive mindset and manifesting what you want in your life. And you start saying, you know what, that didn't go the way I wanted, but I learned something, you know, there's a mill, for instance, my company, we did a sales strategy, my first, you know, draft of my sales strategy. It was terrible, absolutely terrible. And I spent so much time on it. And I worked and I stressed and I, and at the end of it, I was like, This isn't gonna work. I went to my mentor, he's like, this is terrible, and good for him. You know, that I'm very fortunate to have people that do that for me. But it was it was terrible. And I was so upset. I was like, I can't believe I spent so much time on this, but and it's terrible. But it led me to an even better strategy. And it led me to rethink and relook at things and hypothesize and question and have a general gray area. And I wasn't so certain on one thing, that I was blinded by by everything else. And that's, you know, you got to look at it as a positive. And even if it's a negative, it's still positive as you learn something.Ari Gronich 12:56 Yeah. So here's where I, I'm going to just kind of add a guess, again, is, with the gray area, we've been talking a lot about gray area, and there being no black and white. And here would be my caveat for for people in general, the audience to think about is nuance lies in the gray area. But your decision lies in black or white, the gray areas, the fence that you gather your information on, but it's not the fence that you want to hang your hat on. You you get the information, and then you make a decision one way or another. And then you just go Okay, did that work? Did it not work? Why? Why did it work? Why did it not work? So you can you can have the Meyer decision,Unknown Speaker 13:46 your decision should be fluid, I think to to add to that, I think your decision should be fluid, you know, it's like writing a paper, a research paper, you know, you've read out this rough draft, and you just throw all your all your ideas on a piece of paper, right. And then once you read the final report, you know, a year from now, that final report might need to be revised, which is why in most news articles, there's amendments, there's all kinds of things, you know, it's the same thing you've written all your ideas down, that's your gray area, take that information, make a decision. And then you know, you need to be subject to altering that decision to Don't be so dead set.Ari Gronich 14:20 Always reassess you know, and as a as an A person who trains Olympic athletes, right? When I come up with a plan, we've got six months for you to get to where you need to be in competition. how we're going to do that we're going to create the plan. It's going to be a six month plan. But every marker, we retest, we reassess are we meeting? Are we meeting our goal? Are we meeting our goal? are we are we not? Oh, what are we what do we need to do to get back to where we are meeting our goal because the competition is there. You don't have a choice on the time, right? You just got to do what you got to do to get there. And that's the same thing with business. So if anybody in the audience here wants to go take a private flight with you, how can they get ahold of you?Unknown Speaker 15:08 So yeah, on the business side of things, you can go over to Russell Russell air charter.com, you can find us on Facebook at Russell aviation and on Instagram at Russell aviation as well. And then I'm on LinkedIn, Chase Russell, feel free to connect with me, I love chatting with people and getting to know other people and their stories. Awesome. IsAri Gronich 15:27 there anything else that you'd like to leave the audience with?Unknown Speaker 15:32 Um, you know, just, if you're looking to start something, and you think, wow, that's way too big, or that's way too big of a goal, or you're looking at somebody else, your neighbor, your friend, your buddy, your wife, ex wife, whatever it is, and they're doing better than you in life. Don't think like that. Your life is your life, and you get to live it the way you live it, nobody's on the same time table. Okay, just because I'm 26. And I'm starting this or someone's 46. And they're starting something else that doesn't make anybody any different. It's just a matter of taking the time, the mindset and growing yourself. And I think people that take the time to grow themselves and grow and foster a mindset of self motivation. Those are normally the people that that have the positive things come at them when they're not even doing anything. That's one thing I've learned since starting this business is, you know, if you put out a positive energy, you're going to get a lot more positive energy tenfold back.Ari Gronich 16:35 Absolutely. Well, thank you so much for being here. It was, it was a pleasure to have you on. I know that the conversation does not always take the prescribed route. But But as long as as long as the audience gets, you know, tips and tricks and ways to move forward, I'm a happy camper. So I really appreciate the deep conversations versus surface one. So thank you so much for helping me to create a new tomorrow and activate people's visions for a better world so that we can all live the life of our dreams. Thank you so much for being here. I appreciate it. Thanks so much for having me.
Hi, I am here with Chase russell, As Founder and CEO of Russell Aviation. he have made his mission to build a company around service and excellence. Providing affordable private flights, on an unscheduled basis from their home base in Punta Gorda, Florida to Anywhere in the Southeastern, U.S and the Caribbean. Their pricing structure is what sets them apart from the countless other private air charter companies available. He aim to change the private charter experience by offering cost-friendly flights while staying true to the luxury of flying private!CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY CHASE RUSSELL FOR MORE INFO:https://russellaircharter.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.#Podcast #health #Education #CreateANewTomorrow++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:00 I'm Ari Gronich, and this is create a new tomorrow podcast.Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host Ari Gronich with me today I have Chase Russell, I am not going to do my normal, spectacular introduction of Chase, because he's just, he just can't do it with this guy. I mean, from wars, and combat to owning his own plane company at 25. I mean, you can't explain the the path that this young man is on to shift and change the world. So Chase, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself? And kind of one of the main things that makes you who you are and what in do what you are doing and why.Chase Russell 1:06 So I'm chase Russell and I, I'm an Air Force veteran, I did two tours in Afghanistan, and I did one in another in the Middle East for a year long stint. And I decided to get out of the military and said, Hey, you know, I always wanted to be an entrepreneur, I wanted to go into business. I loved aviation. So let's let's start a private airline. And at the time, I was unaware that you could start a private airline. And most people say that to me, they're like you. I didn't even know you could just do that. Apparently, you can. And that's, that's good news for me. So yeah, I got out I started putting the business plan together, I started, you know, really getting in, dive in and intricacies of how to operate an airline how to get a part 135 charter and all of that. Man, I was like, what's going to be our niche. So our niche is making private charters affordable. So everybody wants to fly privately. But it's extremely expensive. And I was like, it shouldn't be that way. And so we started building the premise of Russell aviation, and we built it on the premise of an affordable private charter. And it's really taken off, since I've got out in 2019. And I'm excited for the future of it.Ari Gronich 2:15 Nice. So you're what 27 now,Chase Russell 2:19 I turned 27 on Monday, Memorial Day, soAri Gronich 2:22 really, your your day happens to be the day after mine. Really good for you. Yeah, I'm 30th your 31st I think that's pretty cool. So what are you going to do today? Yeah, what are you going to do for your birthday?Chase Russell 2:41 Um, I have family coming into town. So when we hang out with them, I've got a few I've got I've still gotta keep working. So I've got a few meetings to get to. But you know, I'm gonna hang out by the pool. I'm down here in South Florida. So I beach day, maybe? I don't have anything planned. I kinda, my birthday to me is kind of just, it is it's a day, but you know, I gotta keep working. So,Ari Gronich 3:04 absolutely. So let's get into it. Us policies and politics, the foreign policies especially, you've been a contractor you've had to go to war you've been overseas you've had a lot of time to spend studying this particular topic, right? Absolutely. So So tell us is what we're doing very efficient.Chase Russell 3:35 I don't think the way I see it Okay, I've spent a spent the majority of my adult life in the Middle East. I like you said I worked as a contractor. I worked in the military over there. So I've seen both sides of the fence on this in the short answer No, it's not effective in any way possible. You can't fight though the way I see it is you can't fight ideology with with bombs, you know, that you're not going to change someone's mind by by blowing up their town or by you know, assisted suicide, whatever you want to call it. It's just not how it works. I mean, anybody can agree with that. I think the way I look at it it's just not it's not effective the way we went into it's not effective I'm sure there's a there's a much deeper cause behind the reason we're in Afghanistan, but as far as i don't i don't negate the fact that there's a lot of people there that they're they're there because they were told to be there and they have a job to do okay, I was in the military. I understand how that goes. And I appreciate that and I'm not gonna sit here and say that the the war in Afghanistan is a shamble. But it's been going on now for for decades. I mean, I know people that their dad fought, and now they're fighting it, you know, and that's, that's not how it should be. It should be operated. Whether you pull out completely of Afghanistan or anywhere in the Middle East, I don't know. But I mean, the general rule of thumb is they don't, they don't really want you there. The Middle Easterners don't want you there. We wouldn't want Russians on our soil. So why would Why would they want us there?Ari Gronich 5:17 Yeah, you know that it's a funny thing. The whole concept to me, of borders, and territories, and things are, it's kind of a distasteful thing to my humanity. And I'll just share with you why, and then I'll let you kind of go, but I'm Jewish, right. So there's right now a lot of Israeli Palestinian fighting. And the media is sharing what the media shares, which is not the truth in any way, shape, or form. And so I take it from from a perspective of what's in a border. And in a border, in the nature of a border is division, between two sides between two kinds of cultures between two kinds of people. To me, what we've done in the US, should be the prototype for the world. However, as far as integration of culture, however, the way that we do it is such a bully ish way, it's going to be our culture, or nobody's right? It's going to be the culture we create, or nobody else's. And that's what division and borders do to me, in my head. So, you know, like, if I look on a satellite image of the world, there are no lines separating states, right? There are no lines separating countries, there is no natural reason for creating territory's borders other than we're not comfortable being around people who are not exactly like us. So I wanted you to talk a little bit about that.Chase Russell 7:19 I think if you if you look at the history of I mean, let's let's talk on the borders for a minute, you know, let's look at the history of it. prior to World War One, you had the Ottoman Empire, the Persians, you know, after World War One, they decided, hey, let's just draw a bunch of borders, if we're talking about the Middle East and Europe, and that's where you see a lot of this division, that's where you see a lot of this and then of course with Israel 1948 when when Israel became a state, but you're you're right, and you're accurate in the sense that there's no you can look at a satellite image and there's no borders, you know, but it's, it's an it's an understood goes to an understanding of cultural norms. You know, if you look at the Curtis, the the Kurds, now there's, they're an entire ethnic group, and they have no place to be very, you know, they have really no land. They're their borders, and Mexico and Iraq, Syria, and a few other, you know, a few other places. But that's an entire ethnic group. And then let's do it on like a microculture aspect of Florida. For instance, people in northern Florida, people in southern Florida. That's it, we joke around in the military. That's two different states. It is two different states. It's northern Cuba, and it's southern Alabama, one of the two. You know, it, we've gotten so accustomed to the idea of solid, hard drawn borders. And it just expands into a global scale when when we are talking about it like this. So I don't I don't think that we should be looking at it like that. And what you're saying is almost in a sense of, and I hate to say the word, but like systematic racism type thing. It's almost like, you know, where we're drawing the borders is what's beneficial for this cultural group or this ethnicity or this person. And I, I'm not going to say I'm open border at all. I mean, I think there should be checks and balances, there should be a security, I don't leave my front door unlocked. However, I think it needs to be reformed, if we're if we're talking about people coming in and out of certain borders.Ari Gronich 9:26 Right. I think that for me, the issue becomes this concept of they're coming over and taking from me, right. So when I was in Greece during the Paralympics, for instance, all I heard from the Greek people was about the Albanians coming over and stealing the jobs. reminded me a little bit about the US concept of the Mexican people coming over and stealing the jobs and then I was in another country. And they were talking about a different country that was coming over and stealing the jobs, right? Like every country has people who want to be there. And some who could be not there. Right. And I guess we're where, where that division comes from is that we are a global planet, most humans tend to roam, we are roaming people we like to explore, we like to adventure, we like to see new things. And I think that part of the division in our policies are the division that we've placed with borders and stopping people, in some ways and respects from being able to freely travel the world. And when they don't really travel the world, you don't get to experience other people's cultures in a way that's like, that's the predominant culture that you're experiencing different from your own. Right, and therefore we don't understand each other's cultures, we don't know the same language of each other's cultures. And so we don't tend to want to be friendly with other people. And I think that that's part of our specific foreign policy. And I'm not sure whyChase Russell 11:19 people are afraid of the unknown. That's I think that's a lot of the issue that you're hitting on is people are afraid of the unknown. All right, everybody's terrified of something they don't understand or don't know. And then it's one thing that I, I'm very fortunate that I've been able to get out of the United States, I've been able to go experience other cultures, and I'm the type of person that when I get to another culture, I immerse myself in it and I become, I become whatever, you know, form you need to become because that's one respectful and to you're going to get a much better view of the culture. For instance, I, I was in Haiti, after the earthquake, I did a mission down to Haiti. And I speak I was learning French in high school, and I was very, I was really in love with learning French. So when I went down there, I didn't speak in English, I spoke nothing but French the entire time. And I was I think I was 17 at the time. And that's been just an amazing cultural change and shift in my life, just from that one trip that I did down there and got to, you know, you'd learn so much more about the people when you can connect with them. And I, I had never, I had never been to Haiti, I knew nothing about Haiti when I got there, other than they spoke French, and I easily became a Haitian. I'm not saying I am, but I'm just saying like, it was it was amazing. And it was fun. And they really accepted that. And they were really respectful. When I was in the Middle East. I was in Kuwait. And we went to the camel races. And the one thing I always want to talk to the kids, whenever I go to another place, I want to talk with the kids because kids get the most real perspective on everything. And you might not speak their language, but you know, even American kids, I can't understand half the things they're saying anyway, so it's just talking to kids, you know, and I've got two kids, I know how that goes down. But the point being is when you are accepting and respectful that that's what I think is lacking, it's just a matter of respect. It's a matter of just You're different from me you agree you don't agree with the things I agree with, or you might have grown up in a different culture but at least we have basic human things that make us the way we are. I mean, I have tons of friends that are different different ethnicities and me that grew up completely different from from me in the military. And a saying that we have in the military is there's there's no race in a foxhole, you know when it when push comes to shove, you're a man I'm a man, I don't care if you're gay, black, white, it doesn't matter. You got my door and all this together. And I was hoping and not to not to hit on the Coronavirus that much but I was I was thinking when Coronavirus hit. I was like maybe this is that one trigger that was going to be Hey, we're humanity. We're not Mexican, we're not European, we're not African. We're not African American. We're just human. I was hoping that it seems to me it seemed to go the opposite direction. But you know, sometimes, you know, faith goes that way.Ari Gronich 14:22 Well, you know, I think I think it is going the direction that you're saying I think it had to come to a certain head. You know, it's like it's like popping the pimple. You got to squeeze that sucker out of all its shit in order to get it clean. Right. And we can't do this race relation. We can't do this just hate policy in general, without pop in a few pimples without getting the shit out of the people who have it in them. And so I happen to have A hopeful point of view when it comes to what's gone on. Because I think that you have to destroy what is a little bit in order to make something new, just kind of a natural thing, you have a forest fire that burns down all the raw, you know, brush cleans, kind of for new growth, and allows for something new to pop up. And same way we needed the fires. I wish we didn't, you know, I wish the fire could be less physically painful. And emotionally. You know, I wish people would learn about other people. Right? So my background was, I'm Jewish, and Catholic, Peruvian Catholic. So very odd, right? Just a combination, you kind of got that? Well, it's two sides of guilt. Either way, you look at it. And then my parents lost their business when I was young. And they started practicing Buddhism to try to learn about this meditation thing, and mindfulness and stuff. And so they would take me, I'm nine years old, I'm going to practice Buddhism, I'm going to Hebrew school, I have the Catholic Church that I hear all over the place. And I meet this girl, and she lives on a reservation. And, you know, so I'm going to go hang out on the reservation, I'm going to study Indian and Native culture. And I get set. For me, it's such an odd thing, to not be curious about other people and how they feel and how they believe in what they believe in. Because when I put together all the pieces that I gather, it's like one jigsaw puzzle coming together versus when you just have that piece of your culture, you have an incomplete puzzle, that doesn't give you the right picture of what the world is. Right?Chase Russell 17:05 Yeah, no, I agree with that. I agree with that in the in the sense that, you know, I think if people were just more understanding, or you know, I think I think education really is the is a is a key to unlocking all of that kind of stuff is what you're saying right now is that, you know, you've had that you've had the fortunate, the fortunate, fortunate reality that you've been fortunate enough to really grasp a lot of cultures at a younger age and get that wisdom or that knowledge right off the bat. And I think what is lacking for Americans, for many people around the world, but I would target Americans the most is they don't understand that other people do it other ways. And they think that the way they do it is the only way to do it. And in you know, I'm not sitting here, bad mouthing Americans either. There are a lot of amazing Americans. But you know, if you really research into it, I use this example all the time, too. I talked to a lot of a lot of Christians, I talked to a lot of a lot of, you know, quote unquote, Christians that they just like Muslims, and having spent so much time in the Middle East, some of the best people I've ever met are Muslim. And there's a lot of people they've probably met veteran, amazing people that are probably Muslim, and they didn't even know it. conversations I've had at least 100 times I was like, have you ever read the Quran? No. You ever read the Bible? Well, pieces of it, but I've never read the Bible through and through I was like, so you're dead fast that you're correct on this, but you've never read the book that is written all about this. And you're telling me that you can't connect multiple different monotheistic religions. So the same thing, you know, people if they just under if they read the Quran, the crowds, an entire book of poems. It's an entire book of poems, and not to mention Muhammad was blind, deaf and mute. You know, he didn't even write the he didn't even write the Quran. But the point I'm getting at is it Muslims believe Jesus was real. You know, Christians believe Abraham was real. It's all in a timeline. It's all in the same thing. So it's, it's, it's amazing to me that we can as a Christian, or as a, you know, a Jew, you can just dislike an entire other religion when you don't even understand it.Ari Gronich 19:22 Yeah, it doesn't make any sense to me. And in fact, I think what you're kind of pulling on is that when we believe in something like if I'm a Christian, the predominant belief is that of love. And my question is, how can you love your neighbor as if he's your brother, if you also hate him? And then the other question is, can you hate and you turn that hate, which just is in my opinion, again, love Hate the same coin, different sides, but on it is awareness and the other is ignorance. Right? You love what you're aware of you fear what you're ignorant of. And so let me go to this. How do the policies that we've put into place further the agenda of divisiveness versus bringing people together in love versus the hate?Unknown Speaker 20:29 I don't think that policy's ever been about bringing people together. I mean, you can twist it, you know, the United States can twist it. However, they want to make it seem like it's humanitarian issue or this or that. If the US was really concerned about a humanitarian issue, they would be in Haiti right now, if there have been there, if they were really concerned about a humanitarian issue, they would be all over different places. But they're not they don't care. Not that they don't care. I'm not going to say that because I don't know. I'm not in their heads. But everything boils down to money, everything boils down to money, it boils down to and as a contractor, I realized that real quick, it boils down to who's going to get this contract who's going to make this money? How do we keep feeding this money? You know, and it's a military industrial complex, the policies are made to fund the military industrial complex. And if you don't, if you don't even have to look at the Department of Defense Department of State, you don't have to look at all of those things. It's all about power. You know, it's all about how do I control these resources? How do I control this region? Because I need something from it or anything like that. And I mean, it. Let's think about it this way. Again, look at the weekers in China. It goes back to that if we genuinely cared about people on a humanitarian issue Uighur Muslims are being slaughtered and sent to cotton. They're being sent to concentration camps. And it's public knowledge, like, but it's not getting any news. Well, it's not getting any news. The question is,Ari Gronich 21:59 is it public knowledge? And then the other question is, because it's not getting a news is, what does it take for the media? Do you think, for the media to begin telling the truth again, and I and I bring this to a to a specific reason, because I remember Walter Matthau. And I remember him saying, and that's the way it was. It wasn't math out wrong name. Walter Cronkite Walker. Yeah, Walter Cronkite, other guy. Anyway, Walter Cronkite. And that's the way it was, he would read the news, the policy of the government was that the news was not allowed to be for profit, it had to be a nonprofit division of that network. Because the policy was, if you are doing this as a for profit, you're going to only say the news that the for profit tells you to. So I look at the policies and I go, Okay, well, what are the policies? And I know you've done a lot of studying of of this specifically. So what are the policies that keep us divided? You don't have to go through all of them. But like, what are the systems? Let me go? What are the systems that are in place that keep us divided? And what do you think would be a mindset that would switch the people who are in leadership to a mindset of results versus the reaction to what is?Chase Russell 23:54 To answer your question, I mean, I'm not going to go into the exact specific bills that would probably be divisive, because that would take a very long time. However, one one thing that I've actually researched quite a bit and I'm a firm believer in is term limits. If you can take the incentive of career politicians away, and you don't have the lobbying Look, if you look at how much money is spent on just lobbying, lobbying the government if you had every two years you had to spend even more money to lobby a different candidate or a different you know, person. We would probably be in a lot better place it's it's effectively making your politicians work for you again, because politicians don't work for you. Okay, they don't work. It's for the people by the people as representative of the people. It's not real anymore. That's not a thing. Okay. It probably was never real to begin with. And 100% honest with you, it was probably never real to begin with. It was all about again, it goes back to the money aspect of it. money is spent on lobbying. There's a reason that people, there's a senator and I can't remember the exact name, but I wrote a report on them a long time ago. There's a senator that has been in the Senate for 46 years has never had a bill passed, explained to me how somebody can be in the Senate for 40 something years and never get a bill passed. He's never fostered a bill authored a bill. He's never done, it never gotten one passed. Okay, if you're an if that's not a waste of taxpayer funded money, I don't know what is okay. That's what the issue is, is we're just blowing money on things just because we can and if we don't, for instance, Okay, here we go. In the military. In the military, the way the budget works out, is if you don't use it, every Squadron or unit or Command gets a certain set amount of money, let's just for simplistic purposes, let's say a million dollars, if you don't use that entire million dollars, the next year, your budget gets cut. So what do you do on September 1, when the fiscal year ends, you blow your budget, is that I own a company, okay, I'm pretty good at finance, too. That's not good business. And then, you know, the further dividing, dividing thing is, it's incompetent, it's in direct competition on the private side of things. It's in direct competition with the private sector. If a government agency comes in, let's say, campsite, government agency comes in, they set up a campsite, and they're charging $2, because they're good, it's going to be subsidized by the government anyway, the private campsite down the road, can't match that they're going to lose money. So then the private campsite goes out, and all the taxpayer money is going into the private camps or the public campsite. It's just it's, it's it's a repetitive cycle of just nonsensical spending. Government that's wasteful. And then these politicians, they don't work for you, they don't care, they're going to get paid, or every single one of those politicians have been paid every senator, everyone's been paid this entire Coronavirus, your family and everybody might have been starving when they're getting paid. They didn't care they worked 86 days last year, you can look it up on, you can look it up on.gov on congress.gov, you can look at exactly how many days they were in session.Ari Gronich 27:12 Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm going to have a little disagreement about term limits. And with a caveat. Roosevelt is my caveat. The fact of the matter is, is that after four terms, he would have been elected again, because he was so good at what he was doing policy or no policy, whether you believe in it or not, like, you know, the New Deal, what whatever, he was so good at what he did, and so light that he was reelected again, and again. I think that people who are really good at their job, should not have to leave that job just because of an arbitrary term limit. However, if you're not doing your fucking job, you should not be doing your job. And here's the caveat to that is the people are too freaking busy, or lazy, or uninterested or an educated or whatever the case is, I don't know what the school system has done to civics to civil, you know, to a class about your civil and civic responsibilities. We used to have that in school when I was a kid. I don't see it regularly on a schedule nowadays, but we had this call of duty to our country because we were taught it. And so I don't think somebody should get the job just because they're the ones who keep going. And nobody else is really running after them of quality, because nobody's learned how to be a politician. But at the same time, you know, got to do your job people and us as the people have to be willing to hold them accountable. And that's the thing I don't think has happened in the last at least 40 years, is the people holding the politicians accountable. Because I think a lot of things are being done in secret. And so it's hard, hard to hold people accountable. When the policies that are being made like I'll give you an example here in Florida, there's a bill that was passed years ago. At the end of that beer bill, there's a paragraph about this big, so long bill, and at the end of that there's a little section that says it's now illegal, it's a felony to be a naturopathic doctor in Florida had nothing to do with anything else that was in That bill. And the only reason for it was because there's a lobby of a school that wanted to be the only school that gets to teach that particular profession here. So I guess what I'm saying is, there is people, and then there's government, right? Government is made up of people. And I hate it when people say the government, this the government that the government's doing out of control spending, the government's doing this, because it's not the government. It's the people who are running the government. And I think that that dichotomy that that separation of the cognitive dissonance of the government is this evil, big thing that's doing evil, big stuff. And the people are good, so the people should get the power back. Right? I think that that's a false comparison. Because we are the government, the government does not run without people. It would be a non thing.Chase Russell 31:18 So I agree with I agree with you in the sense that, you know, we we should be the government. But you know, let's go back to your your point about people are either too busy, or they're on educated or whatever it is, you know, there's multiple factors that go into this your school system, the education system in the United States, it's not meant to make you smart. It's not meant to make you That's why every you know, Ilan musk doesn't graduate high. That's why these people that think differently, they don't graduate college, they don't go to college, they don't, you know, they're under stimulated. You know, there's, there's hundreds of millions of kids that are on medications that they're meth, it's meth, I mean, let's be real about it. It's meth, it's an amphetamine. Okay? And they're, they're taking these and they're just getting drawn down and fogging into this, you know, system of be a good worker. And that's an old European system. Our education system is very old European system that's been used to train soldiers. Actually, if you look at the history of the education system, grades one through 12, the way we do it here in the United States, it's not meant to teach people I think there needs to be, I'm going down a rabbit hole on this one. Because there's so many points to hit on. But oh, no, no, that's fine. I do too. But I I've got going back to the education thing, though. People aren't taught to critically think people are not taught to solve problems. They're taught to follow instructions. I mean, think about everything you did in class, it was never, it was never, in this goes back to the 80s to the 90s. We're not you know, when I started school, the early 2000s. You were never given a problem and said, You know what, I'm not going to give you the directions to figure it out. You just got to figure it out. And that's what's wrong is most kids nowadays, and even when we were kids, I wasn't stimulated in school. I was good at school because I had to be because I, I enjoyed being good at things. And I could I, I'm not the person that can just fail at things. But I would go to school and I wasn't stimulated, my daughter's my daughter's the same way. She's eight, she goes to school and she can't just focus but you ask I she can literally recite exactly how GPS works. She literally knows what GPS stands for how it works and how it triangulates the whole night. She's extremely intelligent. But you know, you give her some basic math problem. And she's like, this is dumb, she doesn't find the purpose in it. And that's what's wrong is that you're not being taught to find your purpose. You're not being taught to find something that actually intrigues you. Whereas in history, it used to be like that we had great philosophers and stuff like that, that were taught to think critically. But that that hits on the education people are people are bombarded with with false information from the media, you don't know what to believe you have to dig and dig and dig and dig to find some relevant answer to your question, or find some policy and that is all by design. It's all by design. If you think for a second that all of these media outlets are not just trying to confuse you. And the education system is not just trying to make people dumb. They don't want smart people. Why would the education system want smart people they want a few smart people, but they don't want they don't want an entire population of smart people because the in this is a tobacco industry. RJ Reynolds This is exactly in their documents, the best consumers a dumb consumer. That's straight from their CEO. They want people to just follow instructions. That's why the education system was originally designed for the military. It was designed for the euro for a European country is a military tactic to train them to follow instructions. But I digress.You know, people are too busy. They're not they're not looking at this and then the right mindset of, I need to know who I'm voting for what I'm voting for. I know, hundreds of people and I'm not against Biden, I'm not against you know, any type of political figure I'm, I'm for who's what's best for America. What I am for is people being educated on their vote. I know tons of people that say, I'm pro this pro this pro this and then they vote for somebody that is not what they're what they're saying they're pro for. And I and I just asked him, I was like, you know, why did you vote for them one for this one issue. And if that's the way you want to vote, that's okay. But don't be upset when the rest of the issues are not being met to your standard. And then, you know, you're not happy about it. I think go into the term limits thing, though. I agree with you that term limits are not an answer at all. It's, it's by far the answer to all it's a mixture. It's a combination of multiple things at once. My my number one point with the term limits is ending lobbying. How do you end lobbying, and the only logical response to that would be term limits. Now, we look at term limits in the sense that you've got two terms and it's done. What if you can, you know, alter that in a sense that you've got two terms, you have a set standard at any other job? Imagine if you were an intern at the end of your internship, they're going to do a review board with you or at a job the first six months or 90 days or where they're going to do a review board with you. How did you do? Okay, you did pretty well, you passed XYZ bill. You know, okay, now you can run for another term, or no, you're you didn't meet your and that's gonna incentivize those senators to be like, Hey, you know, let's get this going. Let's work together. Let's, you know, because you want to get reelected. I want to get reelected. Let's work for our constituents. And I think it's forcing them to spend more time with their constituents. I mean, look at the Nancy Pelosi situation, for instance, during Coronavirus, everything's closed down, she's getting her hair done. It's rules for the and not for me. And that's what and that's why and let's hit on your government point for a second when people say I agree with you on that, that. People look at the government as an entity, and they don't look at the government as individuals that work for them, the government works for you. Not the other way around, the government doesn't get to tell you what to do, when to do it, how to do it. So the government works for you. And as an entity, if you look at them as an entity, it looks like a huge organization. But it's just a bunch of people that you fund that you pay their salaries, and they should be working for you. But with that being said, also, you know, you've got to really get a connection with your government that we need a we need a foster an environment that should be connected to their politicians that should be trusting their politicians, and not just trying to get a vote. We need to hold politicians accountable for things they say during campaigns that they don't follow through with I mean, how many times on the campaign trail, did Biden say he's going to give out free health care? Or he's going to give out a nice way to relieve college debt? And then he does it. And then he got your vote, though. That's fraud. Is that not fraud? That's the definition of fraud.Ari Gronich 38:27 Technically, truth in advertising does not relate to politicians. The truth and advertising Act does not relate to politician advertisements, which is really weird. But I don't know if the truth and advertising act is actually in effect, if there's anybody actually looking at that. And regulating it because we have a law that says truth in advertising. So you must tell absolutely the truth in all of the advertising that happens. AndChase Russell 39:05 yeah, but telling the truth, telling the truth and telling the truth and leaving out the truth. There are two different things. That's that's I mean, if you look at advertising itself, from a corporate standpoint, you can omit the truth. You just can't say actively against the truth. And there's so many ways you can word that to the legalities to get around that type of thing. And it's the same thing with with politicians. What I'm saying is is not necessarily making an illegal battle with politicians. I'm saying it's fraud, because it is the definition of fraud. However, whether it's going to be prosecuted as fraud, that's a completely separate story. What I'm saying is, is that people need to be more cognitive and not accept that what it is, is people are just accepting because that's just the way it's been. It's just a constant barrage, but it goes back to the education system. That's what they're taught to do. Right. That's what they're taught. Do just follow the directions, okay? If I'm my politician just completely lied to me and he got my vote. It's fine. That's what I'm told to do. You know, that's the let's look at I'm not anti mask, let's not play this, I, you know, I'm not gonna go down that route. But you know, the masks situation, I believe in personal freedoms, if you don't want to wear a mask, you know, okay, that's fine. If you do want to wear a mask, that's fine. If you do, I am a person that believes in personal decisions with people. Now, once they affect other people, then that's a different story. But you need to be held accountable for the thing that's America's gotten away from it's just being held accountable. And it starts with the politicians. They're not held accountable for anything.Ari Gronich 40:43 Yeah, but it doesn't start with the politicians, I think, because I'll give you an example. My brother's a school teacher. And his biggest issue is not with the kids, it's with the parents, because the parents don't hold their kids accountable. So if the kids aren't held accountable from that early age, they don't learn it to hold anybody else accountable. Right. So when the standards have become so low, like this country used to have the highest of standards, we wanted to be the best at everything. And then we got there. And we said, okay, we're done. Yeah, let's, let's do something different and redo all of our, you know, the things that got us there.Chase Russell 41:35 So here's the question, What changed? I mean, let's let's hit on the school topic for many years, or let's hit on the the children topic, because I'm obviously you know, I'm a father so that that's a route that I go down.Ari Gronich 41:47 Yeah. So in, I think it was the early 80s. The school, the standardized testing, became a little bit more important for the schools funding. So the school the money, yeah, so the schools decided that they needed to teach you enough to get you to answer a test, but not enough to retain the information. Right, the system itself, as a whole, began to regulate themselves towards a standardized test of information that 100% affected the funding of that school. And so you weren't taught critical thinking or how to think for yourself, because they needed to drill information into you enough that when they gave you the test, at the end of that week, you still remembered it, even though by the next Monday, I think it's somewhere around 80% loss of comprehension and retention of that information. And so my brother's his old teacher, as I said, and he's been rewriting the system to kind of make it more results oriented. But when we do that, we stopped critical thinking we stopped common sense, we stopped solution oriented conversations. And so now it's not, how do you find that answer out? It's, here's the problem. What's the answer? And that's it. Right? We used to have toChase Russell 43:30 think, do you think that that has had an effect on the way we communicate as as Americans? Do you think that the fact that you can't critically think okay, if I come to you for for instance, you just said a minute ago, hey, I disagree with you on this, I sat back, I said, Okay, let's listen to your point of view, I critically thought about it, I can retain that information. I can pick and choose what I need from that information, and then make a decision on my own. So the fact that the schools are teaching you to this is a get to be take test. Do you think that in the same sense, that that is affected the where we are now in America today, where you can't you can agree to disagree. That's, that's one of my main things is like you can't agree to disagree. That's an issue. You should be I should be able to sit right across the table from somebody that is completely opposite of me. And I value that conversation more than somebody that agrees with me. However, in today's society, and especially with the generations coming up is they've been just so fostered. And and you say in the 80s, so let's say you know, parents that went to school in the 80s and started that system, now have kids, and those kids are now going to the system. So those kids are getting it at school, and now they're getting at home. It's the first generation after this shift that you're talking about. And that's why in America we have such a political divide and there's no gray area for discussion. Everything is black or white, and I don't think anything is black and white. I think there's a gray area for everything. But that's my point on what you're saying. I didn't mean to cut you off, by the way.Ari Gronich 45:10 Oh, no, no, this is this is all about your show. No, I'm asking you questions. I value your opinion, I want I want that I want the conversation, the conversation to me is the most valuable part of, of any exploration, right? So my mom's a teacher. My dad's not a teacher, my brother's a teacher. But I was always taught in life. Question everything. Not in a disrespectful way. Like, why am I doing that? Mom? You know, like, I'm not quite, it's not that it's what is the cause? What is the purpose? What is the intention? what's, what is the root of this issue? And because I was taught that kind of thinking from an early age, everything that has come after goes through the lens. So, you know, I'll never say that I'm not racist. Right? Why? Because I know that if I critically look at my brain, right, I have innate reactions to things that are different, that are not conscious, their subconscious there in the background. And until I reveal that one thought, or that set of thoughts, I'm not in full knowing of who I am. So I can't rule any part of me out. Or say I am this, and that's what I am. Right? I can only say I am a work in progress. I am me, I'm a person. And so I can't understand that whole thing about hate,Chase Russell 46:59 and race. And my question with that, though, would be is is, you know, you say, I've never gonna say I'm not a racist. But if you have one of those thoughts or something like that, does that inherently make you racist? Or do that just give you a racial bias? I think that's a question. I think racism is I think we're mis mis judging the word racism for just a racial bias.Ari Gronich 47:25 I don't think it's a racial either. Neither is positive, right, by any means. And I don't think it's necessarily that but I was having a conversation a little bit ago with with somebody who used to be the president of her Black Lives Matters area where she lives. And I asked her a question, I was sitting in the shower One morning, meditating, as the water was pouring over me and I had this thought, and the thought was, people are scared of the dark. Is that why people are scared of black people? That was just the thought that popped in my head. It was questioning, people are scared of the dark at night is when people think all bad things happen. noises anything that's that's gonna getcha happens. Right? in the dark. in ignorance. In you know, we say ignorance is being in the dark. In the light is illumination is information as knowledge is some you know, so my inherent bias thought was, are we primal, the primal nature of the reptilian part of our brain? Are we designed to be afraid of dark? And is that a Bible thing is that a good bad thing is that everything that's good is white, everything bad is black. I mean, we've been trained with that our whole lives. If you look at cartoons from when we were kids, you know, the bad guy was always in black. The good guy was always white, right? So I was curious as to inherent bias, genetically training bias, like how our parents taught, taught us and it in general. But I notice that as much as I like to think of myself as an evolved human being who I've dated, outside my culture, my roommate for a while, was a Palestinian woman, who was like a sister to me, you know, and she and I would have amazing conversations. And so I also know that when I look at like Israeli Palestinian conflict, as much as I can be objective about what's going on, I still I still have a little bias, it's still and we don't know enough information to not have those in inherent biases act out. Like people know that Israel's been bombing, you know, Palestine, right. Yeah. lately. People know that Palestine kind of started it. But the result inequity is so great. Right. But they don't know what's going on in the background. They don't know about the water shortage in Palestine. And and, you know, they don't know about maybe some of the issues they don't know about some of the issues in Israel. They don't know, for instance, that there's 1.9 million Palestinians and Muslims living in Israel pretty peacefully and happily alongside each other. Yeah. And so they don't see that. So there's a inherent bias. And I hear it a lot with this conversation of either that the Israelis are this evil force that needs to be eradicated. Or they're this good, right. But those kind of black and white conversations is exactly against what you just talked about the shades of grey, the nuance. So how do we get the nuance out there so that people can get a sense of what reality is, versus those inherent biases?Chase Russell 51:22 Yeah, I mean, there's a, like I said, there's a gray area and everything, everything, there's a theory of gravity, I tell you, right now, if I dropped this water, right, now, it's going to hit the ground. But it's still a theory you don't know. Okay, you don't know every nobody will never know every aspect of the Palestinian Israeli conflict, they're not going to, they're not going to be able to see it. Plus, it doesn't sell, it doesn't sell. So even if you tried to research it as much as you possibly could, unless you have first hand knowledge of it, you're not going to understand it, you're not going to get the whole picture of it. The point being, and you just set it yourself is you got to change your own mindset about it, you got to change, you got to think about things in a different mindset. You cannot think about things black and white. And that's the number one factor is what's wrong is we've gotten to a point it goes back to the education system, it goes back to the way we are, we're raising up and training our children. To not objectively think about things you you detailed the scientific theory a minute ago, you detailed it, the who, what, when, why where How is this happening in? You're not questioning it? But you're theorizing you're building a hypothesis on whatever it is? That's not a question. It is a question, but it's not like it's not a smart aleck question. It's a question on I want to understand this. And I'm going to build a scientific theory. And that's the way you got to start looking at things when you're when you're dealing with this. And you have to object in it. It's there's so much information being slammed at people these days that you could spend every waking second running hypothesis on different things between the stock market or why the government is this or why this is happening. You could do it all day. You really could. And that's what the you know, since the 80s. Now to is it's just been a barrage of information that's been thrown at us. But to answer your question directly, you have to look at things as if there was a gray area, because there is a gray area. There's there's nobody the Israelis are not right, there's really choosing they're not right, the Israeli Palestinians are not right. Or the Israeli Muslims are not right there. The Palestinians are not ready, you know, Iran funding the Palestinians is not right, the US funding, Israel is not right. Okay, there's no right or wrong, there is just facts, and you get to make the determination on that. And once you start thinking about everything in your life, objectively, it stopped being so factual and so dead set on one answer to a question then you're never going to grow. That's what's wrong is we're not growing as people we're not becoming more intelligent as a people because we weren't taught to critically think first off. And it takes it took me I'm not gonna lie to you. I didn't think critically for a very long time. And the older I've gotten now, the more I The more I look at things very critically as if there's a gray area, but there are still a very large multitude of people who have never left it goes back to that you've never left the United States, you've never seen anything different. So you just think the way you do it as the way it is.Unknown Speaker 54:32 And thenChase Russell 54:35 you got to start thinking about things critically. That's that's the key to it, is just think about it like a scientific theory. Yeah.Ari Gronich 54:42 I love when people say this is the most beautiful country in the world who have never been outside of the country.Chase Russell 54:48 Because there's a lot of amazing things about the United States. I've been to some very bad places have been some very good places. There's good and bad about every place. Oh yeah.Ari Gronich 54:57 I mean, I'm just saying like, we have these beautiful majestic mountains. But have you ever seen the rainbow mountains in Peru? Or Yeah, equias Falls, you know, like, everywhere This planet is such a beautiful place. And I just like there's a part of me that just wants to say, feel free to roam around the planet, like when you're on a plane, feel free to roam around the plane, you know, take off your seat belts roam around, feel free to roam around this planet and learn about people learn about yourself, learn about cultures, because that's the juice of life. That's the color that life brings. And, you know, we're talking about critical thinking, and common sense. But the other part I want to bring up with that is the butterfly effect. And how do people begin to kind of play chess with their life and look at if I do this move? What's gonna happen, the 20 moves down the line, you know, if I poison the water, for instance, like today with one bottle, and then 20 more people come tomorrow? And then 100 more people like, what's the butterfly effect? What's the ripple effects of our actions? And how does that affect long term. And that's another part that with philosophy and philosophers that has kind of left the building, in a way everything is what's the immediate effect, the fast food effect, is what I call it.Chase Russell 56:33 We as a society, especially in America, we become so used to instant gratification, you can post a picture up, you get 1000 likes you get there is a lot of psychology, and I'm not a psychology major by but I've studied it quite a bit. There's a lot of psychology on the social medias impact on on young children, and it's positive and negative. Everybody knows there's positive and negative motivation. And if you look at suicide rates, for young girls, they're through the roof. Why? Because they're posting pictures, and they're not getting likes. And it's, it's it's deteriorating them from the inside out. There's so much instant gratification that just happens in the United States. And once you start getting that instant gratification, it's very hard to slow things down. Imagine if we all had to go back to dial up. Imagine if imagine that, imagine if we all had to go back to dial up.Ari Gronich 57:30 Yeah, it would ruinChase Russell 57:32 it would ruin us. But you know, 2030 years ago or whatever, none of us had anything but dial up. And then before that we didn't even have the internet. So it's hard to it's hard to reverse. It's hard to reverse change. It's hard to reverse innovation. Sometimes though, you need to reverse it, you need to reverse the instant gratification, it might seem good at the time, but it's not, it's not going to end very well. And it starts with that long term thinking and it it needs to be fostered by a form of wisdom. In a sense, it needs to be somebody or a group of people or it overall as a society, we need to foster a culture of wisdom, it's we need to foster that it's cool, or that it's popular or that there's a social norm, or perception to be intelligent is a good thing. What we've done as a society along with the social media is foster the Kim Kardashian ins and foster a society that favors the catch me outside girl, I don't know her name. But you know, that type of that's what that's what people are aspiring to be. And that's not that's not good. And it doesn't create a very forward thinking position for our culture in our society. And as far as that goes, I mean, look at look at debt. This is another this is gonna go down another avenue of how bad we've become as a culture for instant gratification. The credit card comes out the debt, the United States personal debt increases by like, I think it's 72% more every year, year over year 72% more And granted, take into account, you know, population increases, but it doesn't account for it would still be a 50 to 51% increase even with population, but people want everything now. They want it now. And that's good. I mean, it's good for a company because you know, you capitalize on the consumer, but it's not good for your mindset. It's not good for your mentality.Ari Gronich 59:51 The Wisdom is the key to that because you know, as you're saying, like Tick tock, for instance, you could be a tick tock millionaire like that. Right, but whether you know what to do with that money that you just made off the minute video of you flashing your your moves to, you know, a song that is popular at the time, and you get a million views and made money, oh my goodness, what?Chase Russell 1:00:18 Now what people don't people don't a lot of I'm not gonna say all people because that's a generalizing term, but there's a vast majority and a very overwhelming push in the United States and all over the world for that matter. That doesn't think long term, they don't they see money, you know, that's why most NFL players are most people that win the lottery, they go broke instantly why, you know, you can give a lot of people money, I can, you know, if I had a million dollars sitting in the bank that I just gave to somebody, that doesn't make them easily gonna go and be successful, because they're gonna blow it, if they don't have the right mindset, if they haven't educated themselves and the wisdom to what to do with it. And they're certain people, if I gave a million dollars to he would come back in or she would come back in a year, and I would have $10 million, you know, we need to create a society that values education, and that starts back again, with the education system, it it all boils back down to you need to you want to educate people, but we don't want to educate people, right, we want people to be done. And that keeps an elite power. And you know, that keeps a very select few that are educated and that do understand this and power.Ari Gronich 1:01:31 And this goes that goes back to the church, not wanting people to read because you know, you could only go through go to God through the the priest. That was back in the dark ages. But that was what that was what it was, is keep keep people ignorant, so that they don't know how to read thatChase Russell 1:01:49 even even even during Martin Luther, what you know, when the Protestant movement happened, that they didn't want people to read, they wrote the Bible, they wouldn't translate the Bible from Hebrew because they didn't want them to read it in English.Ari Gronich 1:02:00 Exactly. And then going out going coming back to, you know, us, right, the beginning, women couldn't learn, they weren't allowed to go to college, they weren't allowed to, you know, go to schools and things like that, obviously, you know, any race other than the white people, the British people now had had that. But we're going to finish this up with the end of this conversation. And that is the business side of life. Because you're 27, almost year old, who owns an airline company that now has, I believe, 12 in its fleet, you're driven your goals. I mean, you know, running for Florida, to be your Florida representative. I mean, you have these massive goals. And so what I was hoping that you'd be able to break down a little bit into small bite sized chunks, is the mindset that you use to come out of a war and go into a business and become an entrepreneur. And then the little mindset steps that you think people could use if they're looking and wanting to create a new tomorrow for themselves and activate their vision for a better world.Chase Russell 1:03:28 Yes, so I mean, coming out of the I wasn't always the person, I was in normal. I was a normal person, like I was a normal kid straight at high school. join the military, the military was an amazing thing. For me, it taught me It got me to see a lot of places, I got to see a lot of very bad places. A lot of places I don't really want to go back to. But I what really was a changing factor for me was being able to say there's negative motivation and positive motivation, but they're both moving forward. So taking anything that could happen to you negatively, and just using it as a positive, anything that could happen you positive taking it also as a positive. And using that so you know, when I was getting out of the military, I just took its little steps, you said it yourself. It's just the little steps, get a plan and take one step at a time. And before you know it you're you're going and going and going and going and going and it just doesn't stop and then while you're on that journey, you're simultaneously fixing yourself or you're simultaneously working on yourself. You might be in an amazing spot you might be in the best mindset of your life. But you can always get better and always having the humility and always having the just the the drive and desire to want to be better. And realizing Hey, I'm messing up here. I need to fix this. I need to fix that to having a mentor having some type of person To check you is always an amazing thing to have. And just really being able to look in the mirror and say, You know what, that's not what I want my life to be, I can't tell you how many times I sat and I was stuck in Kuwait. And I was like, I don't, this isn't what I want my life to be, you know, you got to picture yourself being better than you are every single day. And then you've got to outwork yourself. So when I, when I sat there and looked at myself, that's not where I want to be I it just started fostering this, every day I woke up, that's not where I want to be. Let's get to the next spot. Let's get to the next spot is far as starting the airline,Ari Gronich 1:05:42 I'm going to I'm going to stop you for a second. So there's two points that I want to make. Number one, he said, Make a plan. That was the first thing he said. So for the audience, making a plan is the one thing that most do not do. They set a goal, but not a plan to go with the goal. Right? He said a new year's resolution, but not an action step to go with it. So what chase just said is, number one, make a plan. The other thing that he said was, once you make that plan, start acting on it. And your goal is to challenge yourself to be better than you were yesterday, not to be better than anybody else. This is my caveat not to be better than anybody else not to you have no competition, other than yourself. And with your previous version of you that day. So I just wanted to kind of illustrate your two points back to the business yet,Chase Russell 1:06:45 no good thing you did, because I can ramble. But, you know, starting the business. And by the way, we have we're licensing to jazz we're doing a capital raise right now for the the rest of the jets that we're going to be adding to our fleet. But I just wanted to clarify that. Okay, um, so,Unknown Speaker 1:07:08 you know,Chase Russell 1:07:09 I thought starting airlines a huge that's a huge goal. And you're in your what you were just saying a minute ago is you gotta have a plan and have that goal. And you got to start building a plan that starts with the one step at a time, just build the plan, build a plan, even if you don't know the plan, there was a lot of things I didn't know, there's a lot of things right now, I don't know. But that goes back to the building yourself and building a an environment around you building an environment within you, that says, hey, I don't know this, but I have I have the confidence in myself, I have the discipline, I have the drive, I have the determination to just really teach myself as much a
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AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:07 Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host Ari Gronich. And today I have with me Claudia garbutt, all the way from Germany. She is a molecular biologist turned mindset coach for ambitious mission driven entrepreneurs who want to shatter invisible ceilings and create more inner peace, income and impact without sacrificing their health relationships or happiness. Welcome, Claudia, why don't you tell us a little bit more about you? And how, how you became a molecular biologist turn mindset coach. I mean, you know, this is this takes some explanation.Claudia Garbutt 0:53 says, Well, hello, and thank you so much for having me. And yeah, so this, this story is a little bit like, like a criss cross. So I never thought I would be an entrepreneur, I was no one of those people who knew exactly that they wanted to become an entrepreneur. So I really surprised myself here. also kind of ironic, because the thing that I hated most growing up was public speaking, especially in English. And here we are. So how do we get there? Well, after I finished university, all I wanted to do was this half as nice, comfortable job that was fulfilling, but paid well. And that left me enough time to enjoy my life. But guess what, as it turns out, it wasn't that easy to find a job like that. And I studied biology because I was driven by my curiosity, I wanted to understand how life works on every level. And this is still one of my major driving forces for my curiosity, I guess.But I've shifted my focus slightly. So I've had a couple of key experiences that's slowly but steadily shifted my direction and my focus. So the first one was definitely when I got diagnosed with leukemia at the age of 28. And this pretty much turned my life upside down from one day to the next. And I still very clearly remember my first reaction to that diagnosis, which strange as it may sound, was a sense of relief. And that was weird, right? Because at that point, I mean, who gets the diagnosis of a potentially deadly illness and things, huh. At that point in my life, I was just suffering from a major burnout. And being sick finally gave me the break that I was looking for. And to understand that, you have to know that I grew up in a family where everyone was always busy and working very, very hard. And you didn't just take a break, you know, breaks were for the lazy for the elderly, or well for the sick. And so I finally had the right excuse. If you want to take a break without feeling guilty about it, at least if you want to call going through chemotherapy a break. And it sounds so weird when I say that out. But that's often the case, when you talk about the things that hold us back from doing the sensible things, right. They make perfect sense in our heads. But when we actually talk about them, they sound ridiculous.Ari Gronich 3:37 You know, it's funny, because I would have from like age seven to 24, I would have died for a proper diagnosis, I would have, I would have been so happy that I got a proper diagnosis instead of you know, the years of not knowing what the symptoms were not knowing why they were not knowing how to fix them. So I totally understand, you know, the sigh of relief, when you actually know something is actually wrong with me. I'm not just making it up in my head. It's an actual thing. And now I can do something about that actual thing versus just, you know, throwing darts on a dartboard trying to figure it out. So I totally get that. But yeah, the most probably not a lot of fun.Claudia Garbutt 4:32 No, it wasn't. It wasn't fun at all. But it made me aware of the pattern that I was stuck in. And I think probably for the first time in my entire life. I just really had the time to think about things and I started to really question those beliefs that I grew up with. Like was it really necessary to work 24 seven, or is struggled noble or do I really have to fulfill everything anyone else's expectations. And it's just when you have something like a near death experience, this changes a lot, right? Suddenly you start quest, start asking the right questions, the ones that are really important, like, do I like my life right now? Or do I like the direction in which I'm going? Or what would I actually what would I regret regret not having done if I died right now?Ari Gronich 5:27 Yeah, I think the audience can, could relate to that. I think that, that probably 99.99999% of all human beings have things that they absolutely know they should be doing, and yet can't get themselves to do any of them.Claudia Garbutt 5:47 Yeah, it's, it's so easy to fall back into old habits, especially when you're stressed and you don't pay close attention. So I knew that at that point in my life, I needed to leave a toxic work environment, I needed to leave a toxic relationship. And I wanted to do, I wanted to find something that fulfills me. So I just for myself, I knew that in order to beat the cancer, I had to define those goals, and I had to take action. And that's what I did. So as soon as I got out of the hospital, I started to slowly but surely break up that toxic relationship. So I left the toxic work environment. And then I applied for a scholarship at the end of the world, in New Zealand. So I went to the other side of the world, I left everything behind, and I basically started a new chapter in my life, but then it was still You can't leave yourself behind. And then when you get to that place, and you think you have done so much, you get stressed again, and you fall back into old habits,Ari Gronich 6:57 it's really hard to to distinguish who we are from what we do. You know, like, I noticed that when when anybody really introduces themselves when you say Who are you? I am a chiropractor, I am a you know, therapist, I am a construction worker, it's never I am this, I am me, who does this thing, right? It's always I am that. So, you know, maybe that's part of what makes it so difficult to shift is the identity that that you place within that, you know,Claudia Garbutt 7:34 absolutely, like shedding your old skin or like, something like that, it's and you don't know, you're vulnerable, you don't know what's coming next. It was it was really, it was quite terrifying, to be honest. And the conclusion I finally reached was that the best option for me would be to build my own online business, because it allowed me to work flexible hours, and I would be location independent. And because my husband is from New Zealand, and we still he still has all his family on that side of the planet. And we moved back to Germany, so we were never quite sure where we would end up. Just having this flexibility is huge.Ari Gronich 8:19 That's, that's awesome. So let me ask you a few questions. I'm gonna I'm going to take this in weird directions probably so and just just letting you know, that that we might go off on some interesting tangents, but biology of, say a virus, right? We've kind of gotten to the place where we we've accepted in science that viruses are not alive. They're not living things. So how does a virus attack an immune system? If it's not living? Because most things that attack us are the things that are living? And have you heard the theory that viruses are all exosomes that are just part of our body anyway. And so I'm just kind of, I just wanted to, like said it's off on a little bit of a tangent, but I just wanted to check to see what what your thought is on that.Claudia Garbutt 9:32 I never heard of that. And I've also never really thought about it. So good question. I think the way it works is because we all have like DNA is sort of so the genetic code works universally. So if they if the virus attacks itself, it inserts its its genetic material, and if it's active inside yourself Well, then it's translated into proteins. And that starts a whole cascade. So it doesn't really have to be a living organism. But if you think about your genetic code as aAri Gronich 10:10 book, it basically inserts a chapter into this book, in such a mode of fear these days, because they don't understand because nobody is actually telling them the truth of what these things are. And so like, like, mindset, becomes this mindset of fear, this mindset of lack this mindset of isolation, rather than a mindset of I know what's happening, and I know the kind of the timeline that it's going to take for this to go. And, you know, there's not a lot of logic going on with, with people's experience of what's happening now, including, especially the news and media and all that stuff. And so I'm just kind of, like, how do we match because one to match the fear with reality, right? and lack of fear with reality. So this is just a way to, to bring that mindset into the molecular biology a little bit and what's going on right now. Because you've had to pivot quite a bit, I think, since this whole pandemic, right?Claudia Garbutt 11:17 Yeah, I've never worked with viruses. I've worked with bacteria, a lot of work with human cell lines and animal cell lines and that kind of stuff. I've worked on projects that were so it was basic research, or the last project I worked on was basic reach research into neurodegenerative diseases and figuring out what's going on in diseases like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's and that kind of stuff. So that was my area of research, or medical interactions between medic different medicines. So if you have an adverse drug reaction between different drugs, that kind of thing. So it was quite a shift.Ari Gronich 12:07 Absolutely. So you've moved into this world of, as we talked about earlier, homeschooling your kids, and doing this online thing. So give us kind of like, what's been your year like, in a nutshell, like, what's, what's this transition look like? And then what is the mindset that you had to have in order to do this whole mess without, like, pulling your hair out? Because you already had the chemo? So you know, you didn't want the hair out? So I just had it, how did you get through all of this with a mindset that, that you have, which is so positive, and I mean, you know, anybody who's talking to you or watching this right now can see in your eyes, the amount of joy that you exude in what you're doing? So,Claudia Garbutt 13:02 questions, I think when it all started last year, I was exactly at the point where I had just figured out exactly what I wanted to do and an offer, like, I had finally found what I wanted to do, and then the pandemic hit. Okay, is it wise to start all this right now at this point in time? And then I thought, Why? What do I have to lose? There's nothing I have to lose. So why don't go one go for it. And the last year has been really, really crazy, because we also started a huge side project. So a friend of ours, and so my husband and a friend of us. Together, we bought this huge three story house. It's an old house, and we've been remodeling to turn it into three flats. Well, anyway, it's a huge project, a huge renovation project. And it all happened at the same time. So we started homeschooling, we started this building project on the side, I started building my business. And then I also started building my podcast. So it was all happening in the same time. And had you asked me before, if it was possible, to do all that, while at the same time, still go for a run every day have some time to like alone time for my sanity, I would have said No way.Ari Gronich 14:27 Anything else that you'd like to share? We were going to wrap this up because I know you've got to go. But anything else that you'd like to quickly share anything that you're doing in the world that you'd like to share with people?Claudia Garbutt 14:43 Well, maybe the last thing I like to share today as if it scares you. It might be a good thing to try. I can't remember if who said that, but I've found that to be very, very true. If it scares you, it might be a good thing too. Try because it gets you outside of your current comfort zone. And when you get outside of your current comfort zone, great things happen. Because if you keep, keep being stuck and inside this stone and you keep doing what you've been doing all the time, you've, you will keep getting what you've always gotten. And that might not be what you want to get. So if you want to change that, try the things that scare you.Ari Gronich 15:27 Awesome, awesome. How can people get ahold of you? If they'd like to learn more?Claudia Garbutt 15:33 And they can find me all they can find my website, which is www.wiredforsuccess.solutions, or they can find me on Facebook, Instagram or LinkedIn.Ari Gronich 15:45 Awesome wired for success solutions.solutions. Yeah, not solutions. Okay, wired for success dot solutions. If anybody would like to learn more about Claudia, I highly suggest that you connect with her molecular biologist turn mindset coach. I mean, how can it get any better than that? Thank you so much for coming on. I really appreciate all the value you've given to the audience today. So thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me. My pleasure. This has been another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host Ari Gronich and I look forward to seeing all of you create a new tomorrow today and activate your vision for a better world. Peace and love.
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She is a molecular biologist turned mindset coach for ambitious mission driven entrepreneurs who want to shatter invisible ceilings and create more inner peace, income and impact without sacrificing their health relationships or happiness. Welcome, Claudia, why don't you tell us a little bit more about you? And how, how you became a molecular biologist turned mindset coach, I mean, you know, this is this, this takes some explanation.1:02 says, Well, hello, and thank you so much for having me. And yeah, so this, this story is a little bit like like a criss cross. So I never thought I would be an entrepreneur, I was no one of those people who knew exactly that they wanted to become an entrepreneur. So I really surprised myself here. also kind of ironic, because the thing that I hated most growing up was public speaking, especially in English. And here we are. So how do we get there? Well, after I finished university, all I wanted to do was this happens nice, comfortable job that was fulfilling, but paid well. And that left me enough time to enjoy my life. But guess what, as it turns out, it wasn't that easy to find a job like that. And I studied biology because I was driven by my curiosity, I wanted to understand how life works on every level. And this is still one of my major driving forces for my curiosity, I guess. But I've shifted my focus slightly. So I've had a couple of key experiences that slowly but steadily shifted my direction and my focus. So the first one was definitely when I got diagnosed with leukemia at the age of 28. And this pretty much turned my whole life upside down from one day to the next. And I still very clearly remember my first reaction to that diagnosis, which is strange, as it may sound was a sense of relief. And that was weird, right? Because at that point, I mean, who gets the diagnosis of a potentially deadly illness and things, huh. So, at that point in my life, I was just suffering from a major burnout. And being sick finally gave me the break that I was looking for. And to understand that, you have to know that I grew up in a family where everyone was always busy and working very, very hard. And you didn't just take a break, you know, breaks were for the lazy for the elderly, or for the sick. And so I finally had the right excuse. If you want to take a break without feeling guilty about it, at least if you want to call it going through chemotherapy a break. And it sounds so weird when I say it out loud. But that's often the case when you talk about the things that hold us back from doing the sensible things, right. They make perfect sense in our heads. But when we actually talk about them, they sound ridiculous.3:45 You know, it's funny, because I would have from like age seven to 24, I would have died for a proper diagnosis, I would have, I would have been so happy that I got a proper diagnosis instead of you know, the years of not knowing what the symptoms were not knowing why they were not knowing how to fix them. So I totally understand, you know, the sigh of relief, when you actually know something is actually wrong with me. I'm not just making it up in my head. It's an actual thing. And now I can do something about that actual thing versus just, you know, throwing darts on a dartboard trying to figure it out. So I totally get that. But yeah, most probably not a lot of fun.4:40 No, it wasn't it wasn't fun at all. But it made me aware of the pattern and I was stuck in. And I think probably for the first time in my entire life. I just really had the time to think about things and I started to really question those beliefs that I grew up with. Like, was it really necessary to work? 24? Seven, or is struggled noble? Or do I really have to fulfill everyone else's expectations? And it's just when you have something like a near death experience, this changes a lot, right? Suddenly you start quest, stop asking the right questions, the ones that are really important, like, do I like my life right now? Or do I like the direction in which I'm going? Or what would I actually what would I regret regret not having done if I died right now. And then I realized that at that point in my life, my entire life was dominated by fear. And I was only making fear based decisions. I was trying to avoid everything. I chose to stay in the familiar suffering, I feel like because I was just too afraid to face any new uncertainty, I felt like I couldn't take anymore. And so I stayed stuck, right where it was, even though I wasn't happy with that. And that's when I decided that things really needed to change. And I was too young to die. And there were things in my life that I wanted to experience. And I, I wanted so many things. And today, I am proud to say that I've accomplished most of these things that I wanted to do. So I wanted to live abroad, I wanted to find a loving relationship, I wanted to have a job that fulfills me these kinds of things. But it's has been a real roller coaster getting there. Because realizing something and then actually changing. Those are two totally different things.6:38 Yeah, I think the audience can could relate to that. I think that that probably 99.99999% of all human beings have things that they absolutely know they should be doing. And yet can't get themselves to do any of them.6:59 Yeah, it's it's so easy to fall back into old habits, especially when you're stressed and you don't pay close attention. So I knew that at that point in my life, I needed to leave a toxic work environment, I needed to leave a toxic relationship. And I wanted to do, I wanted to find something that fulfills me. So I just for myself, I knew that in order to beat the cancer, I had to define those goals, and I had to take action. And that's what I did. So as soon as I got out of the hospital, I started to slowly but surely break up that toxic relationship. So I left the toxic work environment. And then I applied for a scholarship at the end of the world, in New Zealand. So I went to the other side of the world, I left everything behind, and I basically started a new chapter in my life, but then it was still You can't leave yourself behind. And then when you get to that place, and you think you have done so much, you get stressed again, and you fall back into old habits. And that's what that's basically what's happened. And I think the next really defining moment for me came when I became a mom and I had my own kids. Because up to that point, I was basically okay with working 24 seven in the lab, because I love biology. I'm very curious, I want to figure things down. That's, that's something that gives me joy. But I didn't want to have that kind of lifestyle for my family. I didn't want to be away all the time for my kids. And so I kind of needed to figure out what I could do instead. And I had no idea whatsoever what that could be because i the only thing I knew was being a biologist, and it was a huge part of my identity. I didn't know what else I could do. And I didn't even know what else I wanted to do. Because this was this was who I am or who I was, or you know what I mean?9:07 Yeah,9:08 it's really hard to to distinguish who we are from what we do. You know, like, I noticed that when when anybody really introduces themselves when you say Who are you? I am a chiropractor, I am a you know, therapist, I am a construction worker. It's never I am this, I am me, who does this thing, right? It's always I am that. So, you know, maybe that's part of what makes it so difficult to shift is the identity that that you place within that, you know,9:45 absolutely. I'd like shedding your old skin or like, something like that. It's and you don't know you're vulnerable. You don't know what's coming next. It was it was really it was quite terrifying to be Honest. And the conclusion I finally reached was that the best option for me would be to build my own online business, because it allowed me to work flexible hours, and I would be location independent. And because my husband is from New Zealand, and we still, he still has own family on that side of the planet, and we moved back to Germany, so we were never quite sure where we would end up. Just having this flexibility is huge. And then I've tried a couple of different things online. And to be honest, I didn't know what I was doing. And I was probably experiencing every single mindset blog that you can encounter. So from feeling like an imposter, to the fear of failure, the fear of success, the fear of judgment, perfectionism, and everything in between. But since I don't give up easily, I worked through all of them just one by one or as they came up. And I also saw that so many other entrepreneurs, they were struggling with the exact same issues that were coming up for me. And so I became a certified life coach. And I like different modalities to help others work through these mindset blocks, too. And finally, it all fell into place when I found a way to incorporate my biology background into the mix, and specialize in helping people or entrepreneurs, in particular, rewire their brain for more success in their life and business. That's when I felt that I had really found my true calling, because now I can help people work through these issues on the physiology level, as well as on a psychology level, leveraging the body mind connection. So essentially, I can now combine my background in science, with the psychology and self development to help my clients overcome the fear and the worry and the self doubt and the overwhelm, so that they can become those confident CEOs and conscious creators have their dream lives that they want to be.12:10 That's, that's awesome. So let me ask you a few questions. I'm gonna I'm gonna take this in weird directions probably so and just just letting you know, that that we might go off on some interesting tangents, but biology of, say a virus, right? We've kind of gotten to the place where we we've accepted in science that viruses are not alive. They're not living things. So how does a virus attack an immune system? If it's not living? Because most things that attack us are the things that are living? And have you heard the theory that viruses are all exosomes that are just part of our body anyway. And so I'm just kind of, I just wanted to, like said, it's off on a little bit of a tangent, but I just wanted to check to see what what your thought is on that.13:23 I've never heard of that. And I've also never really thought about it. So good question. I think the way it works is because we all have, like DNA, so so the genetic code works universally. So if they if the virus attacks the cell, it inserts its its genetic material. And if it's active inside yourself, well, then it's translated into proteins. And that starts a whole cascade. So it doesn't really have to be a living organism. But if you think about your genetic code as a book, it basically inserts a chapter into this book. And this is, this is what's happening. So I don't know if that answers your question.14:11 No, yeah, it's it's just interesting, because I think that people are in such a mode of fear these days, because they don't understand because nobody is actually telling them the truth of what these things are. And so like, like mindset becomes this mindset of fear this mindset of lack this mindset of isolation, rather than a mindset of I know what's happening and I know the kind of the timeline that it's going to take for this to go and you know, there's not a lot of logic going on with with people's experience of what's happening now. Including especially the news and media and all that stuff. And so, I'm just gonna, like how do we match because one a match the fear with reality, right? and lack of fear with reality. So this is just a way to, to bring that mindset into the molecular biology a little bit and what's going on right now. Because you've had to pivot quite a bit, I think, since this whole pandemic, right?15:18 Yeah, I've, I've never worked with viruses. I've worked with bacteria, a lot of work with human cell lines and animal cell lines and that kind of stuff. I've worked on projects that were so it was basic research. And the last project I worked on was basic reach research into neurodegenerative diseases, and figuring out what's going on in diseases like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's and that kind of stuff. So that was my area of research, or medical interactions between medic different medicines. So if you have an adverse drug reaction between different drugs, that kind of thing, so it was quite a shift. Mm hmm.16:08 Absolutely. So you've moved into this world of, as we talked about earlier, homeschooling your kids, and doing this online thing. So give us kind of like, what's been your year like, in a nutshell, like, what's, what's this transition look like? And then what is the mindset that you had to have in order to do this whole mess without, like, pulling your hair out? Because you already had the chemo? So you know, you didn't want the hair out? So I just had it? How did you get through all of this with a mindset that, that you have, which is so positive, and I mean, you know, anybody who's talking to you or watching this right now can see in your eyes, the amount of joy that you exude in what you're doing? So17:02 good questions, I think when it's, oh, started last year, I was exactly at the point where I had just figured out exactly what I wanted to do and an offer, like, I had finally found what I wanted to do, and then the pandemic hit. I was like, Okay, this isn't wise to start all this right now at this point in time. And then I thought, Why? What do I have to lose? There's nothing I have to lose. So why don't go one go for it. And the last year has been really, really crazy, because we also started a huge side project. So a friend of ours. And so my husband and a friend of us, together, we bought this huge three story house, it's an old house, and we've been remodeling to turn it into three flats. Well, anyway, it's a huge project, a huge renovation project. And it all happened at the same time. So we started homeschooling, we started this building project on the side, I started building my business. And then I also started building my podcast. So it was all happening in the same time. And had you asked me before, if it was possible, to do all that, while at the same time, still go for a run every day have some time to like alone time for my sanity, I would have said No way. But then I found a way to just incorporate all those things and set the boundaries. And it worked quite beautifully. So unlike in previous times, where I worked so hard that I finally reached that rock bottom burnout. This time it felt aligned, and it felt I felt full of joy. And I was it was an It was nice. I don't know how to say it other than that, but it was really a nice journey. I still had some days where I felt overwhelmed, of course. And then I had just had to take a few days off. But in general, I didn't feel overwhelmed anymore, I was able to make a plan to stick to that plan to work through the action steps and to just roll with the punches.19:14 So so what you said here is something that that I think people tend to miss, which is I made a plan first. And then I did not get overwhelmed because I had a plan and I was doing the plan. Right? How many people do you know that make up that don't make the plan. They just are doing their random things and are getting so overwhelmed because they have no plan. Yeah, a lot of people, but a lot of your clients, right?19:54 Yeah. A lot of people do it like that. But then that said even if you have a plan Often you only have like the first steps of your plan figured out because then it can just take in direction because it doesn't always go according to plan, right? So I think I wouldn't. So the big message I want to share here is, don't be discouraged, if you don't have it all figured out. And you don't have a plan that takes you from A to Zed in, you know, all the little action steps. Sometimes you just have to know the direction and get started and know the first steps and then you, you will figure it out along the way.20:36 Yeah, that's true. I, I tend to, I tend to like to do planning, from the end to the beginning. Yeah, you know, that that's kind of my, my style for it. And I, my clients, I tell all the time, you know, where do you want to be in 10 years? What's the life that you want to lead? what's the what's the day to day experience that you want to have? And then you just reverse engineer that, and create the business that wraps itself around the life you want, versus trying to wrap your life around the business that you have? Or the work or job that you have? Right? So what are some tips and tricks that you have for for getting into a pivot mindset where, you know, the next time let's say something happens that completely screws the entire universe up? You know, the people listening to this will be able will be like so far beyond? Because they've created a new tomorrow? And, and so what what suggestions would you have for them? And how to change their mindset to be ready for pivot for change for uncomfortability?22:00 I guess one of the most important questions you can ask yourself is just where's the opportunity in this? So what app whatever happens to you just keep asking yourself, where is the opportunity? Or what can I learn from this. And when you approach any kind of situations, from that kind of mindset, you will find the opportunities, and you will find a way to deal with the situation from a place of calm and relaxation, instead of getting completely overwhelmed and spinning into the worst case scenarios that just keep you like. Send your straight into survival mode. So it's, this is what I've found to be really helpful.22:45 That's awesome. So tell us a little bit more about what you're doing these days in order to to help the world and benefit your clients. I mean, you know, obviously, this show is all about creating a new tomorrow. So tips, tricks and specialties is kind of what we do at the end. But what is it that you're doing to create a new tomorrow for not just you but your family and and your community? I know that you said Germany is still pretty locked down, which is kind of odd in my head, because I've always known Germany to be so far advanced in the medical world innovation and discovery and research and so on. So what is what's going on with that?23:34 What's going on with Germany? Well, I think the people are getting tired of the lockdown. I think that's something that that increases the problem or makes it bigger at the moment because we've been in the lockdown for I think last three months, and four months last year. So people are starting really starting to feel the effect of the lockdown, especially all the small businesses that have to stay closed all the time. And for those sometimes they feel like they don't have an alternative they need to open the businesses or else their business dies. So I think at the moment, this, this probably prevents a lot of people to do the sensible thing and stay at home and follow the directions. And maybe that's why we still have all those high numbers at the moment. And then we also have two mutations. I mean, the mutations are more contagious than the original strain. So this is also assess abating the problem at the moment. But your your first question was what I do to help everyone Right,24:46 yeah. So24:49 what I'm trying to do is just to spread a message of hope and to tell people to just just Seek the control that they can find right now. Does that make sense. So to really feel into where in their lives right now they can feel in control. Because if you can feel control feel in control in one area of your life, it's easier to accept the uncertainty in other areas. Because if you feel uncertain and out of control in all the areas of your life, this is very hard, will be pretty miserable.25:33 So it could be a miserable existence, and overwhelming as well.25:39 Yeah, and you feel powerless and you feel powerless, you give up hope. And then you don't do the things that you know you should be doing. And this all leads into this downward spiral. So that's what we want to avoid.25:54 Okay, so you have goals, you want to help people with live happier, healthier and more fulfilling lives, right? So what is if you could sum up in a sentence or two? What you have found to be the answer for living a healthy, happy, healthy fulfilling life? What would be the answer? If you could sum it up in just one answer? Sure, why not? I figure we make it easy for you today,26:31 a question to the answer of the universe. And just one sentence, you know, what I think is really important. And what most people are most people I've talked to, don't really understand is how the body and the mind are connected. And that your thoughts influence your body, on a deep physiological level, all your experiences influence your body and also the other way around. So this is a two way street, the communication between the mind and the body is a two way street. Whatever you do to your body you do to your mind, and what you do to your mind, you do to your body. And this is something that you can harness to get into a positive upward spiral, where you live happy and healthy, and in alignment, or it can also trip you up, and you go down this downward spiral where you, you live in despair, and you you don't look after your body, and then it just goes into this downward spiral and you end up miserable. So this is something very important to understand.27:35 So understanding that is one thing, and doing something about it is completely different. Right? That's right. So so we kind of know that human beings get stuck in their comfort zone, even if their comfort zone is really uncomfortable. Meaning if you get stuck in a habit like smoking, and you get end up getting cancer, right, you don't quit smoking, because the habit the comfort, of having that drag is too much. Compared to the not having of it, right, the comfort that you know, the pain of what comfort, you know, versus the joy of what comfort you don't know. Is, is greater. I know what you mean? Yeah, greater than the value of, of a person's mind, right. So they'd rather eat the fast food, knowing that it's not going to be healthy for him knowing that it's not going to make them feel better, right. But it's fast. So it's comfortable. So they know that it's available immediately whenever they want it. So that's a comfort, right? But you may not know how to cook. But you may know that cooking your food from scratch is the best way to get healthy, right. So learning to cook would be outside of the comfort zone too far, for some people to shift their behavior. And that's just an interesting thing to me. Because I have a TED talk that I've been writing called the psychology of submission, why we act against our own self interest. And, and it's why we let the bullies win. And so you know, as a mindset, person, and so forth, combined with the biology because I happen to know about chemistry and my brain and how hormones and biology affects my mood, my actions, my decision making all that stuff. So how can we get people's mindset in alignment with their eating and behavior and lifestyle versus getting the mindset into Two quick fast food, you know, easy, whatever mode that we're in right now. How do we change that back?30:10 Good question. Again, one that can cure the world, right. So I think it comes back to something we talked earlier about to make a plan, and to follow that plan. And so we often, this is just a common human bias where we, where we, we focus on the short term benefit versus the long term consequences. And to shift that, we have to make a plan based on those long term consequences that we either want to achieve or to avoid. So when we start with that in mind, again, we can go back and define the steps that we should take. And then to start that you have a, we have to make really have to create really, really small steps, initial steps that get the habit going, we want to make those first initial steps as easy and as enjoyable as possible. So if you decide you want to do more exercise, and you start by running a marathon, you're not going to stick with that. But if you decide you need more exercise, and the first thing or the tiny initial step that you do, is you go for a 15 minute walk, then it's something that's easy to do, you might enjoy it, you can listen to the birds, you can enjoy the sunshine, you make it easy, you make it enjoyable, and you in you give it a time in the space. So you define it as for example, the first thing you do in the morning, so you create a routine around them. And that's how you can shift and you can build on those tiny action steps and build a habit around it.31:54 Right? So how do you create a routine, if you're if your current routine, like around morning, for instance, if your current routine is the alarm goes off, and the snooze button gets, gets hit,32:08 you put, you put it that way, take it out of the room, you have to engineer around the behavior that you know, you default to have, you know, you hit the snooze button, then put the alarm clock away where you can't reach it immediately where you have to get out of bed to region, or even into the next room if that's not enough, because then you force yourself to get up and turn it off. And once you got up, you don't go back to bed you stay up.32:44 Yeah, you know, for a long time I was I had this this routine where I would wake up and it didn't matter if I was ready to get up or not. If I woke up and opened my eyes, and I cheated a little bit, waking up and not opening my eyes. But I had I had this thing. So I if I was if I opened my eyes, then I would walk upstairs and I would get in my infrared sauna. And I would fall back asleep for another hour while I was in the sauna heating up, right. And then I'd wake up and go take a shower and then I'd be awake. So it was my way of being able to start that morning routine right and in a positive way. And when I was sleeping in the sauna I would have on the by neural beats and isochronic tones and solfeggio frequencies and you know, motivation and programming and Jim Rohn and stuff like that. So it would program my brain in my sleep, but in my half sleep. But you know anybody can create a routine that they actually like, right? So one of the things that I think people get turned off by is that all of the people who are telling them to make routines, especially morning routines, tell them how they do it. And you know, the person says, Well, I can't do it like you do it. Like if you were Mark Wahlberg with your morning routine waking up at three o'clock in the morning to exercise for two plus hours and you know, pump iron, that would that would hit like maybe 10% of the population. Right? The other 20% would go? No, oh, that's that's sleeping time. Right? So doing routines that are designed individually for you and your personality and your way of being is kind of the way that that I've always suggested I like don't do my routine. Right. Don't do anybody else's routine. Just do you. But make it make it the best version of you. Right? Absolutely.34:55 I completely agree. I think everyone is unique. We all have unique experiences we have our needs, we know we have our likes our dislikes. So if someone tells me they don't like to go running, I wouldn't suggest they integrated running into their daily routine, I would tell them to find something that brings them joy, and replaces running. So it doesn't have to be my way.35:22 Cool. So what kinds of things like, I know that that we had a limited conversation today, I can probably talk to you for another few hours. And I think we're gonna be doing a summit together. So you know, at some point, the audience, you know, just tune in, we're gonna do some cool stuff. So tips, tricks, and things, and then any last things that you really, really, really want the audience to get so that they can start creating their new tomorrow today. Something that35:58 I've personally found to be very, very helpful, and that I've resisted for years before I finally tried it was doing breathing techniques, I hated it. In the beginning, I had such a huge resistance around it. But when I finally started doing it, I had, it was a major breakthrough, because it finally allowed me to go deeper into my own physiology and fight all that overwhelm. So you go into the parasympathetic nervous nervous system, you can activate it, you can get out of that constant fight or flight. So if for anyone who's listening, and who hasn't tried it yet, give it a go, even though you don't feel like it, and give it a fair shot, which means don't do it just once or twice, and then decide it's not for you. Try it for a couple of weeks, at least, and see how you feel after them. Because for me, it really changed a lot. So that would definitely be my recommendation.37:05 Very nice. Very nice. Yeah, I am about to record I had a power breathing 15 minute exercise routine. And you're you're the only thing you're exercising is your breath. But I wrote it after finding out that 80% of all fat loss happens in your breath and your expiration, not in your pee, not your poop not in your sweat. 80% of all fat loss comes from breathing out fat. Kind of weird, huh? It's a long chain thing that turns into breath that when you breathe deep and heavy and hard, it's a better fat loss workout than building muscle that way. And lifting weights, it's kind of chronic crazy. So I've been writing this, I have this written, I'm going to video and create a video training with this 15 minute power breathing workout. Because breathing is so so important. And you know, for anybody who's listening on YouTube on pretty much anywhere, you could go and look up dragon breath or Kundalini breath or, you know, breathing techniques breathing for exercise. I remember even when I was a kid, there came out an infomercial when I was a kid, that was a breathing weight loss, you know, program. I find it fascinating. So awesome breath techniques, anything else?38:39 Ah, Shadow Work. If you don't know what it is Google ads. It's going to be your friend.38:47 Shadow Work. Yes. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I like to do mirror work. I think you and I talked about that before. But mirror work is, is basically bringing light to a shadow, you know, to your darkness to the person that you thought you were, but not the person that's in those eyeballs. So when you stare in the mirror at those eyeballs of yours, it's really difficult. I've had so many people they can't do it. Absolutely cannot look at themselves in the mirror in any kind of meaningful way. Meaning they can go walk in front of the mirror look at their makeup or hair or whatever. But looking in their eyeballs is been I found one of the most frightening things for people to do. To deeply look into yourself. And and so that to me is is one form of Shadow Work, right that you're describing is just looking in your own eyeballs and trying to find we're not even trying finding all of the places that you Love about yourself, however long it takes, and however many things and masks you have to get out of the way while you're doing it. Right. Sounds great. Yeah, I40:12 found that analyzing what triggers you sort of more like the dark side of the shadow what triggers you and others, that is something that I've found to be really interesting and really helpful, because those other things than are resonating with us on a deep emotional level. And that means we have some sort of attachment to them. And exploring that has been really interesting, also exploring what inspires me in other people to see it as the potential that's also hidden inside myself, for example. And that's maybe why I started a podcast, despite hating public speaking. But it's always been this kind of self discovery journey.41:01 Yeah, you know, one of the things that that I've always told people is, how many questions you have? How many? How many times do you question the things that are happening in the world? How many times do you question the things that are happening? up in here in your brain? You know, if you're passing a threat, a thought through your head, do you analyze it? Do you question it, you ask if that's true, you know, if somebody is having this negative self talk, which we all know happens quite a lot. Have you asked yourself if that's true? Have you just asked the question is this true about me, and really got real with yourself about it. Because that to me, is, is so so important with Shadow Work, and with the things that you're talking about. Anything else that you'd like to share, we're going to wrap this up, because I know you've got to go. But anything else that you'd like to quickly share anything that you're doing in the world that you'd like to share with people?42:09 Well, maybe the last thing I like to share today is, if it scares you, it might be a good thing to try. I can't remember who said that. But I've found that to be very, very true. If it scares you, it might be a good thing to try because it gets you outside of your current comfort zone. And when you get outside of your current comfort zone, great things happen. Because if you keeps keep being stuck, and inside, it's sown, and you keep doing what you've been doing all the time you you will keep getting what you've always gotten, and that might not be what you want to get. So if you want to change that, try the things that scare you.42:53 Awesome, awesome. How can people get ahold of you? If they'd like to learn more? And they can43:00 find me all or they can find my website, which is www.wiredforsuccess.solutions Or they can find me on Facebook, Instagram or LinkedIn.43:11 Awesome wired for success solutions.solutions. Yeah, that's solutions. Okay, wired for success.solutions. If anybody would like to learn more about Claudia, I highly suggest that you connect with her molecular biologist turn mindset coach. I mean, how can it get any better than that? Thank you so much for coming on. I really appreciate all the value you've given to the audience today. So thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me. My pleasure. This has been another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host Ari Gronich, and I look forward to seeing all of you create a new tomorrow today and activate your vision for a better world. peace, and love. Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. 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Hi, I am here with Claudia Garbutt, She is a molecular biologist turned mindset & high-performance coach for ambitious, mission-driven entrepreneurs who want to shatter invisible ceilings and build their legacy.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY CLAUDIA FOR MORE INFOhttps://wiredforsuccess.solutions/about/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.#Podcast #Health #CreateANewTomorrow # Educational++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Claudia Garbutt 0:00 And I think probably for the first time in my entire life, I just really had the time to think about things. And I started to really question those beliefs that I grew up with. Like, was it really necessary to work 24 seven or is struggled noble? Or do I really have to fulfill everyone else's expectations? And it's just when you have something like a near death experience, this changes a lot, right? Suddenly you start quest, start asking the right questions, the ones that are really important, like do I like my life right now? Or do I like the direction in which I'm going or what would I actually what would I regret regret not having done if I died right now.
Esther Blum is an Integrative Dietitian and High Performance Coach. She has helped thousands of women permanently lose weight, eliminate the need for medication, lose stubborn belly fat, and reverse chronic illness. Esther teaches her clients how to get clear and decisive about what to eat while healing their relationship with food and their bodies.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY ESTHER BLUM FOR MORE INFO.https://estherblum.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:07 Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I'm your host Ari Gronich and today with me is Esther blum. She is an integrative dietitian and a high performance coach and her her goal and she what she's done is helped 1000s of women permanently lose weight and eliminate the need for medication Lose Stubborn Belly Fat and reverse chronic illness. She teaches her clients to cultivate a warrior mindset when it comes to healing their relationship with food and unconditionally loving their bodies. Esther is the best selling author of cave women don't get fat. I like that title. Eat, drink and be gorgeous secrets of gorgeous and the eat, drink and be gorgeous project. She currently maintains a busy virtual practice where she provides 360 degrees of healing with physical, psychological, emotional and spiritual support. Esther has appeared on Dr. Oz the today show and Fox News Live. Welcome to the show. Esther, I really appreciate you coming on and taking out time. I know you have a very busy schedule. So thank you so much for being here. Thanks sorry for having me. So tell us a little bit about what got you started in the world of dietitian and then what kind of transitioned you from dietitian to integrative dietitian.Esther Blum 1:34 Um well I grew up in a medical family. My grandfather and father were both physicians. My grandfather was actually in ears, nose and throat doctor and an incredible surgeon. He was the tonsil, King of Brooklyn. And he trained my grandmother to be the anesthesiologist and the two of them took my tonsils out in their house in Brooklyn. My grandfather had an operating room, a treatment room, a consultation room and a 12 bed pediatric recovery room on the first floor of their house next to their kitchen and dining room. So you know, I grew up just thinking it was very normal for my grandfather to operate on me in his own home and my grandmother to put the ether mask over my face. So I was never even in the hospital really until childbirth. Um, so my father also was a gifted dermatologist who was a wonderful healer and I saw the two of them making house calls. You know, we would go up to my grandfather's farmhouse in Ridgefield, Connecticut on the weekends and the phone would ring and you know, they answering service with sad, like, speak to Dr. Blum. And we were like, Well, which one you know and so and they were just kind, compassionate people who did house calls and real country doctors. Even though my grandfather was in Brooklyn, and then my mother was a nurse. And we had lots of pharmacists in our families. So I grew up around medicine, it was comfortable around it was discussed at our dinner table for better or for worse. And I knew that I was interested in it. I always did well in school, but I didn't want to go to medical school. And my my grandfather said, What are you what are you thinking? I said, I think I want to be a dietitian, because it's all the pre med requirements. Basically, it's a little less physics, but it's all pre med. But none of the you know, residency. I mean, I had an internship, but it wasn't like this intense residency. And my grandfather said, What are you doing? That's like the biggest mistake, you're never going to be a success or make any money. And I was like, Oh, it's on it is so on right now. So I obviously have made money and been a success and said, proved him wrong. And he became my greatest champion. So why do you think what's what's what's your reasoning? Having been on both sides of, of the industry?Ari Gronich 4:05 Why do you think the language is so completely different between the two, and the studies, the research, the science, that everything that we look at? You know, I've I've been trained in functional medicine and have an immense amount of pain when it comes to seeing how much is missed in translation. And I'll give you a quick example. I had a family member who sent me all his labs, and his doctor was a traditional doctor basically said nothing was wrong with them. And I started going through on a functional lab level, and I kept looking at all these different numbers that were in the normal for the pathological numbers. But completely outside of functional. And as I looked through this, I was going, I basically figured out that this person was in liver failure. Like, with through the combination of things that were off, it was pretty clear picture. But the doctor said, Oh, you're perfectly fine. And so that's kind of the thing that bog bugs the crap out of me. So why do you think that it's so lost in translation between functional medicine and Western medicine?Esther Blum 5:36 Yeah, I don't have all the answers on where the gap lies. But I will say money is a big piece of it. You know, there's big Ag and Big Pharma. And, you know, for dieticians, the food guide pyramid is sponsored heavily by, you know, the dairy board, the grain board, not so much the meat board, right me gets all this horrible press, even though pastured meat is the most sustainable practice that we have in supporting agriculture and regenerative farming. So, yeah, I think there's a lot more money behind that, or there's money behind drug companies saying, you know, oh, you're not you're your mortality rate is much less when you take Lipitor every day or you take a stat and every day and your cholesterol needs to be lower and lower and lower and lower when cholesterol used to be 200 plus your age, we need cholesterol to support libido to make testosterone, estrogen, progesterone. Be fertile. You know, feel good brainAri Gronich 6:44 function,Esther Blum 6:46 function, healthy hair, skin, nails, fight depression, ADHD, gut health, all those things. So yeah, I think it's money, even though it's silly, because there's play money to be made and supplements too. If people are smart, they jump on that bandwagon. But yeah, it's a it's a lot harder to say, you know, eat a serving of blueberries every day for brain health, right? versus like, well, you can just take this drug or you know, so it's, I think you're constantly battling many This is this country puts the health of the pocketbook or the wallet way ahead of the health of the people, profits over people's I'm trying to say,Ari Gronich 7:25 right, so I heard a saying recently, and it went something along the lines of you eat vegetables to detoxify, and then you eat to heal. Oh, I love that. Oh, that is brilliant. Yeah. What do you think of that?Esther Blum 7:41 I mean, that's brilliant. Yes, I mean, but me helps detoxify, too, if you don't have enough protein, it's really hard to get your liver to conjugate, you know, essential amino acids and heal and detox your body. So, but you know, it is interesting. I do have there is a caveat to this. And I do have some clients that when I increase their meat, they gain weight, and they're, they can't process all the fat. So some people I actually have to go on the plant based route for about four to six months sometimes to really clean up their liver and do a good detox that's more plant based and then go back to the Paleo it depends on someone's starting point, someone is super, super obese. And their cortisol is off the charts. You know, it's we we tried different approaches there at the high meat doesn't always work. It depends.Ari Gronich 8:43 Right?Esther Blum 8:44 Yes, for a healthy normal, you know, reasonable weight, someone's within their target range, then yeah, I believe that I think you do need a balance of meat and poultry and fish and vegetables to really see tax buy in and organ meats, and build muscle support bone density,Ari Gronich 9:05 right? You know, when I look at human beings and how we used to eat, then I look at animals and, you know, they talk about vegetables and how you can build muscle with with just eating vegetables and being a vegetarian, but I look at at animals that are on a plant based diet. And they're typically very large. And then I look at animals that are predator animals, and they're typically very small but muscular, and powerful. And, you know, so you have slow and large on a plant based diet. But yet, we get told all the time lately, especially about these plant based diets being the healthiest thing we could do and then now they're coming out with all these plant based meats that are I don't know what you think of them.Esther Blum 10:06 I'm like a chemical shitstorm I mean, I was talking about this with my son. You know, he's he's almost 14, I'm like, stay the hell away from that crap. He's like, Mom, I would never be vegan, I just wouldn't do it. You know, again, it goes back to money. Like it's um, you know, Bill Gates is taking over a lot of our farmland that is producing GMO based crops. That the beyond burgers and the pea proteins any time there is, you know, that type of plant based versus actual clinical research. It's, there's money behind it, people have money to gain from it.Ari Gronich 10:47 Gotcha. So, I had a dietician Tell me one time, as she was drinking a diet soda in my presence. He said, something along the lines of I like to eat my calories, not drink them. Uh huh. What do you think of that statement? And people who think that diet sodas are so much better, or diet foods in general are so much better than natural foods?Esther Blum 11:15 Yeah, well, that's I mean, your body your choice. So you want to put crap that, you know, interferes with proper neurotransmitter function in your brain, knock yourself out. But you know, and yes, you you don't want to get your calories from orange juice or, you know, necessarily sodas or anything like that. But sometimes drinking calories can actually be nutritious. If I can get someone to get a protein shake, where they're getting 50 grams of protein. Instead of eating to eggs where they're getting 14 grams of protein, I am going to say drink your drink your calories and put some fiber in there, put some tea and flaxseed and put a low glycemic fruit and some veggies if you want and drink it all at once. Don't like sip it over hours of the day where you're messing with your blood sugar, so much. So it's really time in place, I mean, hypocrisy of bounds and dive in dietetics professions.Ari Gronich 12:15 So let's talk a little bit about lentils and lectins and night shades and inflammatory foods. Yeah, and, you know, even like tomatoes, I had a, I had a client one time, paid me for a six month package. And after going through everything at the very beginning and doing all the testing and all that stuff. We were putting her on an elimination plan. And she was Italian. And she said, keep your money. I can't not eat tomatoes. And I said it's only three weeks, and she wouldn't she couldn't not eat the tomato. But, you know, let's talk a little bit about that kind of unpack this because everybody's getting their information from Dr. Google right now. And and I'm not sure Dr. Google has all of the correct information, you know, readily available in a way that search.Esther Blum 13:19 Yeah, well, when it comes to elimination diets, you know, it's it's tricky, right? Because if somebody has a lot of people who I cheat, for example, have h pylori, or like real active H. pylori, or with having symptoms, or they have parasites, or they have leaky gut or cebo. So under those circumstances, right, you're you with an inflamed gut wall, and you're adding gasoline to the fire when you put those inflammatory foods into your system, right? That foods that you're sensitive to. And often the foods that you're the most sensitive to are the ones that you're eating every day, already anyway. So you can do food allergy testing during those times, but it's going to show up, you know, you're going to show up with 2030, even 40 allergies. That's how you really know you have a leaky gut. By the way, the more allergies you have tells us a lot about your gut.Ari Gronich 14:15 Yeah, just unpacking I think, for people what, you know, they hear all these fad diets and fad things and not know how to navigate. Yeah, yes. And so they end up you know, you'll end up Okay, we're on the keto this week and intermittent fasting that week and paleo the other week, and we just keep switching because we're not getting the answer we want. And, and, you know, with with my patients, I always said well, in functional medicine, we test Yeah, so that we're not, you know, throwing darts at a dartboard. But, but people don't really understand what all of these things are. They just look I mean, I still don't know if anybody knows if milk is good for you or bad for you, you know what I mean? Like, you have both sides of the equation. So I wanted a little bit.Esther Blum 15:12 Yeah, well and so much of your your food can be it, there's so many factors, right? Okay, fine, you can find out where your genetics are, you know, you see people in certain Nordic cultures eating attended dairy and are very lean and healthy. But where the cows given hormones were the cows fed GMO grains. Are they exposed to a lot less pesticides and GMOs in our food that are creating the leaky gut? You know, I think if we had if we all had better gut integrity, we tolerate a lot more foods. To your point like is milk good or bad for you? To me, it's, it's what you're eating. It's what you're absorbing that is far more important to me than worrying about the semantics rain. In theory, you know, dairies got, it's got sugar, but it also has a lot of protein. I mean, cottage cheese, to me is a is a power food for a lot of people. So if my people tolerate it and say, Yeah, I tell her dairy fine, and they're not having gut issues and like, go for it. You know, it's it's a lot more fun and easier to work with someone who has that much flexibility in their diets for sure.Ari Gronich 16:20 Yeah, that's one of the interesting things, I find that when you eliminate something like I don't eat sugar things, and I don't drink juices and stuff like that. And every now and then, if I even go for a sip of orange juice, or apple juice or something like that, I need to dilute it by like, 10 to one. Oh, yeah, with water, I mean, like, literally this much juice to the rest of the glasses, water, because otherwise, it's just too sweet. And it's ridiculously too sweet. And so, you know, here's a figure, and I don't remember the exact figure, but I think it was somewhere around one gram of sugar, or one and a half grams of sugar in your bloodstream naturally is about the 90, you know, that the 75 to 95, or whatever blood sugar ratio. And so the amount of sugar that we're eating in our diet, I mean, if you could imagine a gram and a half is what your blood sugar should be? How many grams? Do you put into one cup of coffee? And then how many cups of coffee? And then how many, right? things that you're eating, that you wouldn't necessarily think have sugar in them have sugar added into them. And that that goes along with the genetically modified foods, because as you probably are aware, an apple 50 years ago, had about a 10th of the amount of sugar that an Apple has now. And you have to have about 10 apples to get the equivalent nutritive value as an apple 50, you know, in the 50s. So how does somebody, you know, navigate this entire world of what we've done, to our health into our environment and to the way in which we consume.Esther Blum 18:30 And now ignorance really was bliss in this in this a couple ways. Okay. One is try and look at the big picture, because at the end of the day, you know, um, there was a great study mercola published years ago about how like, even if you're eating non organic veggies, you're still getting benefits, okay, and the nutrient content is far less than what our grandparents had, our parents had even we had growing up. But if it runs, flies, swims or grows from the ground, it's still real food. And I see people healing their bodies eating in perfectly, not everything's organic. But if they're eating a lot of fruits and veggies and real food, compared to their starting point, they're going to heal much better.Ari Gronich 19:19 Thank you so much for being here. You know, every episode I like to to leave the audience with doable things so that they can create a new tomorrow today and activate their vision for a better world. So thank you so much for activating your vision. And not just that, but coming out into the public. You know, I like to say, silence is a bully's best friend. So let's get loud. And I appreciate everybody who comes on to the show getting loud and going up against the bullies like big agriculture, big pharmaceutical, big medicine and general And, and saying, Hey, here's here's the truth. We don't know about this science because it's been paid for and bought. But we do know that based on these 1000s of years, and what we can say is if you eat this amount of food, you're going to be healthier and if you get about this amount of walking in and this amount of movement, so I appreciate all of your wisdom. Thank you so much for coming on. I know you're busy. So thank you. And this has been another episode. So thank you so much for listening. And hopefully you have gotten an amazing amount of things that you can do right now, to create your new tomorrow today. We'll see you next time.
Esther Blum is an Integrative Dietitian and High Performance Coach. She has helped thousands of women permanently lose weight, eliminate the need for medication, lose stubborn belly fat, and reverse chronic illness. Esther teaches her clients how to get clear and decisive about what to eat while healing their relationship with food and their bodies.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY ESTHER BLUM FOR MORE INFO.https://estherblum.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:00 I'm Ari Gronich and this is create a new tomorrow podcast.Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I'm your host Ari Gronich and today with me is Esther blum. She is an integrative dietitian and a high performance coach and her goal and she what she's done is helped 1000s of women permanently lose weight and eliminate the need for medication Lose Stubborn Belly Fat and reverse chronic illness. She teaches her clients to cultivate a warrior mindset when it comes to healing their relationship with food and unconditionally loving their bodies. Esther is the best selling author of cave women don't get fat. I like that title. Eat, drink and be gorgeous secrets of gorgeous and the eat, drink and be gorgeous project. She currently maintains a busy virtual practice where she provides 360 degrees of healing with physical, psychological, emotional and spiritual support. Esther has appeared on Dr. Oz the today show and Fox News Live. Welcome to the show. Esther I really appreciate you coming on and taking out time. I know you have a very busy schedule. So thank you so much for being here.Esther Blum 1:25 Thanks sorry for having me.Ari Gronich 1:28 So tell us a little bit about what got you started in the world of dietitian and then what kind of transitioned you from dietitian to integrative dietitian.Esther Blum 1:42 Um well I grew up in a medical family. My grandfather and father were both physicians. My grandfather was actually an ears nose and throat doctor and an incredible surgeon. He was the tonsil, King of Brooklyn, and that he trained my grandmother to be the anesthesiologist and the two of them took my tonsils out in their house in Brooklyn. My grandfather had an operating room, a treatment room, a consultation room and 12 bed pediatric recovery room on the first floor of their house next to their kitchen and dining room. So you know, I grew up just thinking it was very normal for my grandfather to operate on me in his own home and my grandmother to put the ether mask over my face. Um, so I was never even in the hospital really until childbirth.So my father also was a gifted dermatologist who was a wonderful healer and I saw the two of them making house calls. You know, we would go up to my grandfather's farm house in Ridgefield, Connecticut on the weekends and the phone would ring and you know, they answering service would said like, speak to Dr. Blum. And we were like, Well, which one you know and so and they were just kind, compassionate people who did house calls and real country doctors. Even though my grandfather was in Brooklyn, and then my mother was a nurse. And we had lots of pharmacists in our families. So I grew up around medicine, it was comfortable around it was discussed at our dinner table for better or for worse. And I knew that I was interested in it. I always did well in school, but I didn't want to go to medical school and my my grandfather said what are you what are you thinking? I said, I think I want to be a dietitian, because it's all the pre med requirements. Basically, it's a little less physics, but it's all pre med. But none of the, you know, residency. I mean, I had an internship but it wasn't like this intense residency. And my grandfather said, What are you doing? That's like the biggest mistake, you're never going to be a success or make any money. And I was like, Oh, it's on it is so on right now. So I obviously have made money and been a success and said, proved him wrong. And he became my greatest champion, you know, so it was all it was really great. So then I worked in hospitals for the first five years of my career and loved it loved clinical dietetics but there's only so much impact you're going to make on an 85 year old after they've had a heart attack and you have five to 10 minutes to give them diet instruction and absolutely no follow up or continuity or accountability for them at all. So um, I began to you know, I was building a private practice even while I was working at the hospital and I went to a cocktail party at my parents house and one of that one of her friends said what are your nutritionist like? What do you know about vitamins and minerals and I said truthfully, I'm embarrassed to say if two degrees of Clinical Nutrition and I know nothing about vitamins and minerals the the class we took in college or a grad school called vitamins and minerals, the professor basically said, Well, everything you need, you know, you can get from food, like, why am I here? What What is happening? So I said, I'd really love to learn more about supplements, I don't know about them. And she said, Oh, well, my, my strength coach is taking a functional medicine course you should talk to her. So I did. And my grandfather at the time had wanted to give me $2,000 to pay off some of my grad school loans. And the course, of course, was exactly $2,000. Because that's what the universe does, laughs and plays tricks on us. So I said, You know what, I'd really love to parlay this money into more education, he was like, go for it. So took that functional medicine course. And I've never looked back, I left the hospital within the year, and worked for a functional medicine doctor for a couple of years, and then was out of my own full time. So and it's a much better way to serve people. I mean, clinical dietetics is an amazing education. And it's an important one, but it's an incomplete one, and it doesn't address, you know, you learn and look at very specific research studies. But you're only seeing about half the picture, you don't look at supplements, and there are emerging programs on new functional nutrition. I don't want to disparage those at all. But a clinical dietetics track doesn't look at all the research studies on vitamins and minerals and nutrients and how you know, supplements can be an adjunct, it doesn't take into account like a keto diet or hardcore, autoimmune AIP diet or gluten free, you know, and I to this day, I get two different nutrition journals, right, I get journals from Clinical Nutrition side and journals from the functional nutrition side. And it is like, two completely different worlds. It's two completely different parties. And it's it's fascinating to me, what is not addressed, especially when, like, on my bookshelf behind me, I mean, one of my books, nutrition and integrative medicine, you know, it's an 800 page textbook, I read and studied and took an exam on this year, all on functional medicine. Like, how is that not made it into the dietetics curriculum yet? So it's, so what?Ari Gronich 7:15 So why do you think what's what's, what's your reasoning? Having been on both sides of the industry? Why do you think the language is so completely different between the two, and the studies, the research, the science, the everything that we look at, you know, I've, I've been trained in functional medicine and have an immense amount of pain when it comes to seeing how much is missed in translation. And I'll give you a quick example, I had a family member who sent me all his labs. And his doctor was a traditional doctor basically said nothing was wrong with him. And I started going through on a functional lab level. And I kept looking at all these different numbers that were in the normal for the pathological numbers, but completely outside of functional. And as I looked through this, I was going, I basically figured out that this person was in liver failure. Like, with, through the combination of things that were off, it was pretty clear picture. But the doctor said, Oh, you're perfectly fine. And so that's kind of the thing that bog bugs the crap out of me. So why do you think that it's so lost in translation between functional medicine and Western medicine?Esther Blum 8:55 Yeah, I don't have all the answers on where the gap lies. But I will say money is a big piece of it. You know, there's big Ag and Big Pharma. And, you know, for dieticians, the food guide pyramid is sponsored heavily by you know, at the dairy board, the grain board, not so much the meat board, right me gets all this horrible press, even though pastured meat is the most sustainable practice that we have in supporting agriculture and regenerative farming.Unknown Speaker 9:31 So,Esther Blum 9:32 yeah, I think there's a lot more money behind that or there's money behind drug companies saying, you know, oh, you're not you're your mortality rate is much less when you take Lipitor every day or you take a stat and every day and your cholesterol needs to be lower and lower and lower and lower when cholesterol used to be 200 plus your age. We need cholesterol to support libido to make testosterone, estrogen progesterone. be fertile. You know, feel goodAri Gronich 10:03 brain function,Esther Blum 10:05 function healthy hair, skin, nails fight depression, ADHD, gut health, all those things. So, yeah, I think it's money, even though it's silly because there's play money to be made and supplements too. If people are smart, they jump on that bandwagon. But yeah, it's a lot harder to say, you know, eat a serving of blueberries every day for brain health, right? versus like, well, you can just take this drug or you know, so it's, I think you're constantly battling many This is this country puts the health of the pocketbook or the wallet way ahead of the health of the people, profits over people's what I'm trying to say.Ari Gronich 10:44 Right. So I heard a saying recently, and it went something along the lines of you eat vegetables to detoxify, and then you need to heal.Unknown Speaker 10:56 Oh, I love that. Oh, that is brilliant.Ari Gronich 10:59 Yeah, what do you think of that?Unknown Speaker 11:00 I mean, that's brilliant.Esther Blum 11:04 Yes, I mean, but me helps detoxify, too, if you don't have enough protein, it's really hard to get your liver to conjugate, you know, essential amino acids and heal and detox your body. So, but you know, it is interesting, um, I do have, there is a caveat to this. And I do have some clients that when I increase their meat, they gain weight, and they can't process all the fat. So some people actually have to go on the plant based route for about four to six months sometimes to really clean up their liver and do a good detox that's more plant based, and then go back to the Paleo it depends on someone's starting point, if someone is super, super obese, and their cortisol is off the charts, you know, it's we we tried different approaches there at the high meet doesn't always work. It depends. Right? Yes, for a healthy normal, you know, reasonable weight, someone's within their target range, then yeah, I believe that I think you do need a balance of meat and poultry, and fish and vegetables to really detox the body and, and organ meats, and build muscle support bone density,Ari Gronich 12:24 right? You know, when I look at human beings and how we used to eat, then I look at animals and, you know, they talk about vegetables and how you can build muscle with with just eating vegetables and being a vegetarian, but I look at at animals that are on a plant based diet. And they're typically very large. And then I look at animals that are predator animals, and they're typically very small but muscular, and powerful. Yeah, and, you know, so you have slow and large on a plant based diet. But yet, we get told all the time lately, especially about these plant based diets being the healthiest thing we could do, and then now they're coming out with all these plant based meats that are I don't know what you think of them. I'm like aEsther Blum 13:28 chemical shitstorm I mean, I was talking about this with my son, you know, he's he's almost 14, I'm like, stay the hell away from that crap. He's like, Mom, I would never be vegan, I just wouldn't do it. You know, again, it goes back to money. Like it's, um, you know, Bill Gates is taking over a lot of our farmland that is producing GMO based crops that the beyond burgers and the pea proteins, any time there is, you know, that type of plant based versus actual clinical research. It's, there's money behind it, people have money to gain from it. And there's a tremendous amount of clinical research on the importance of protein for longevity for bone density, you know, muscle, Dr. Gabrielle Lyon, she's my doctor and my, my sister, my friend, but she always talks about how, you know, muscle is the organ of longevity and, and there's so much clinical research on, you know, how we actually need to increase the guidelines for the RDI for protein that it's under what it should be and Case in point, you know, if if I do the math and give a healthy individual point, what is it I think it's like, point 6.8 grams per kilogram of protein. They're getting what my renal failure patients used to get in the hospital for the amount of protein They're recommended, what you really should do for those of you who are new to all this is a gram per pound of body weight, or your ideal body weight, if you're overweight, then you would use your ideal or adjusted body way, if you're 250 pounds and you want to weigh 150, you know, you start at your protein, at least 150. And go up 170, there was a great study recently done on navy seals, who were given very low calorie diets under harsh conditions of high physical demand. And 100 grams of protein a day. And that was the baseline minimum that they could get away with eating and still maintain their muscle mass. So you know, I have a lot of clients who actually really struggle to get their protein intake up. And I'm like, just make your baseline threshold 100 grams per day, if you can get to, they usually can't get up to like 150. But I'm like, if you can get to 120. You know, it's still can change your body composition, but I don't want just adequate and that's what the RDI is, it is like, adequate to not waste away. I really want people to have optimal.Ari Gronich 16:11 Gotcha. So I had a dietician Tell me one time as she was drinking a diet soda in my presence. He said something along the lines of I like to eat my calories, not drink them.Unknown Speaker 16:26 Uh huh.Ari Gronich 16:28 What do you think of that statement? And people who think that diet sodas are so much better, or diet foods in general are so much better than natural foods?Esther Blum 16:39 Yeah, well, that's I mean, your body your choice. So you want to put crap that, you know, interferes with proper neurotransmitter function in your brain, knock yourself out. But you know, and yes, you you don't want to get your calories from orange juice or, you know, necessarily sodas or anything like that. But sometimes drinking calories can actually be nutritious. If I can get someone to get a protein shake, where they're getting 50 grams of protein. Instead of eating two eggs where they're getting 14 grams of protein, I am going to say drink your drink your calories and put some fiber in there, put some flaxseed and put a low glycemic fruit and some veggies if you want and drink it all at once. Don't like sip it over hours of the day where you're messing with your blood sugar so much. So it's really time in place. I mean, hypocrisy abounds, and diet and Dietetics professions. I remember going to so many nutrition conferences, and there were so many obese dietitians. And then I would go to the functional medicine conferences and where you know, the wacky, wacky people and like everyone was pretty fit. Tell me, I don't know. And you go to the strength coach conferences when Charles poliquin was alive. I've did many of his conferences and talking guys, six to 12% body fat so and they were eating By the way, one to 1.5 to two grams of protein per pound of body weight. So and they were like the leanest humans on the planet.Ari Gronich 18:22 So let's talk a little bit about lentils and lectins and night shades and inflammatory foods. Yeah, and, you know, even like tomatoes, I had a, I had a client one time, paid me for a six month package. And after going through everything at the very beginning and doing all the testing and all that stuff. We were putting her on an elimination plan. And she was Italian. And she said, keep your money. I can't not eat tomatoes. And I said it's only three weeks, and she wouldn't she couldn't not eat the tomato. But, you know, let's talk a little bit about that kind of unpack this because everybody's getting their information from Dr. Google right now. And and I'm not sure Dr. Google has all of the correct information, you know, readily available in a way that search.Esther Blum 19:25 Yeah, well, when it comes to elimination diets, you know, it's it's tricky, right? Because if somebody has a lot of people who cheat for example, have h pylori or like real active h pylori, or were they having symptoms, or they have parasites or they have leaky gut or cebo. So under those circumstances, right, you're you with an inflamed gut wall and you're adding gasoline to the fire when you put those inflammatory foods into your system. Right. Foods that you're sensitive to. And often the foods that you're the most sensitive to are the ones that you're eating every day already anyway. So you can do food allergy testing during those times, but it's going to show up, you know, you're going to show up with 2030, even 40 allergies, that's how you really know you have a leaky gut. By the way, the more allergies you have tells us a lot about your gut. But that being said, um, you know, some people, so I like to do elimination diets by trial, you know, there's no one set thing and yes, if someone's more autoimmune, and I have an autoimmune protocol, then yeah, I take them off nightshades and lectins. But at the same time, I have plenty of people I treat, who have absolutely no problem eating those foods at all. And so I really only try and take away what has to be taken away and what people can stick to because, you know, I just don't find people are going to adhere to things long term. They really if they're too, too, too restrictive. The people who do I, the ones who get really sick from eating those foods and have immediate reactions, like severe, I have a client sasmar and she's like, been eating my inflammatory foods. I couldn't even get out my minivan. Like, I couldn't put weight on my right foot. I was like, well, then don't eat that stuff. But other people, you know, can eat it and or they take the lectins way and don't really notice much difference. So I kind of it's a combination of testing, right? I certainly do gi gotten stool testing, but I will also just say How are you feeling as your energy, your craving, your bloating, your stool habits? You know, how's your thyroid function? What are your blood works looking like? So? I don't know if that's the exact answer you're looking for it. The food allergy piece is really tricky.Ari Gronich 21:50 Yeah, just unpacking I think, for people. What, you know, they hear all these fad diets and fad things and not know how to navigate. Yeah, yes. And so they end up you know, you'll end up Okay, we're on the keto this week and intermittent fasting that week and paleo the other week, and we just keep switching because we're not getting the answer we want. And, and, you know, with with my patients always said, well, in functional medicine, we test Yeah, so that we're not, you know, throwing darts at a dartboard. But, but people don't really understand what all of these things are. They just look I mean, I still don't know if anybody knows if milk is good for you or bad for you. You know what I mean? Like, you have both sides of the equation. So I wanted toEsther Blum 22:47 Yeah, well, and so much of your your food can be it. There's so many factors, right? Okay, fine, you can find out what your genetics are, you know, you see people in certain Nordic cultures eating attended dairy and are very lean and healthy. But were the cows given hormones were the cows fed GMO grains? Are they exposed to a lot less pesticides and GMOs in our food that are creating the leaky gut? You know, I think if we had if we all have better gut integrity, we tolerate a lot more foods to your point, like is milk good or bad for you? To me? It's it's what you're eating. It's what you're absorbing. That is far more important to me than worrying about the semantics, right? In theory, you know, dairies got it's got sugar, but it also has a lot of protein. I mean, cottage cheese, to me is a is a power food for a lot of people. So if my people tolerate it and say, Yeah, I tell her dairy fine, and they're not having gut issues and like, go for it. You know, it's it's a lot more fun and easier to work with someone who has that much flexibility in their diets for sure. But yeah, once you start introducing external toxins, or parasites or stress or trauma, and that changes the integrity of the gut wall, and the microbiome, then yeah, then all of a sudden, you've got to start saying, Alright, let me just pull some things out my diet, let me simplify it. Let me stick to real food, we manage my stress, let me pull up gut healing nutrients in there and see if I can kind of return to you know, I can tell you personally for me, I mean, you know, my 20s up through my 20s I ate like gluten and dairy. And, you know, once I cut it out, I was like, it's really hard for me to go back. My gut doesn't want it at all, at all.Ari Gronich 24:38 Yeah, that's one of the interesting things. I find that when you eliminate something like I don't eat sugar things and I don't drink juices and stuff like that. And every now and then if I even go for a sip of orange juice or apple juice or something like that, I need to dilute it by like 10 to one. Oh, yeah, with water, I mean, like literally this much juice to the rest of the glasses, water, because otherwise, it's just too sweet. And it's ridiculously too sweet. And so, you know, here's a figure, and I don't remember the exact figure, but I think it was somewhere around one gram of sugar, or one and a half grams of sugar in your bloodstream naturally is about the 90, you know, that the 75 to 95, or whatever blood sugar ratio. And so the amount of sugar that we're eating in our diet, I mean, if you could imagine, a gram and a half is what your blood sugar should be, how many grams? Do you put into one cup of coffee? And then how many cups of coffee? And then how many, right? things that you're eating, that you wouldn't necessarily think have sugar in them have sugar added into them. And that that goes along with the genetically modified foods, because as you probably are aware, an apple 50 years ago, had about a 10th of the amount of sugar that an Apple has now. And you have to have about 10 apples to get the equivalent nutritive value as an apple, you know, in the 50s. So how does somebody, you know, navigate this entire world of what we've done, to our health into our environment and to the way in which we consume?Esther Blum 26:48 I know ignorance really was bliss in this in this a couple ways. Okay. One is try and look at the big picture, because at the end of the day, you know, there was a great study mercola published years ago about how like, even if you're eating non organic veggies, you're still getting benefits, okay, and the nutrient content is far less than what our grandparents had, our parents had even we had growing up, but if it runs, flies, swims or grows from the ground, it's still real food, and I see people healing their bodies eating in perfectly, not everything's organic, but if they're eating a lot of fruits and veggies and real food, compared to their starting point, they're gonna heal much better. Okay, that's number one. Number two, a really cool thing to do to see how food affects you is to wear a continuous glucose monitor for two weeks. That is a great way to really understand, right? How is that juice affecting me, um, I did it recently, a month or two ago, I wore one just because I was you know, my clients wear them. I'm like, go get one look like, especially for my diabet clients, but my non diabetic clients, like, you really want to figure this out and you're and you're trying to lean out and what you're doing isn't working. Let's throw in a glucose monitor. And my postprandial range was like 110. I started out in like the low 90s and got to like 110. And that's like me eating protein, some carbs, veggies, right. But I had an afternoon and I was like, Alright, well, that's so unexciting. If anything, my sugar was too low at night. So I started one afternoon I had to clementines on an empty stomach, my sugar shot up to 150. And I was like, I'm metabolically healthy. My BMI is good. So what hope is there for people eating like donuts? It's so does and all those things. But people can't argue with the numbers, right? Like your Italian clients that I can't give up tomatoes, like people rationalize and bargain and play games, right? Like, well, I just want my daughter chocolate every day. And I believe me, I do that too. I still want a little chocolate every day or the option to have it right. Because it's such a tiny amount, right? So that's how I justify it and that really didn't affect my blood sugar but the two oranges on an empty stomach sure as hell did. So you really have to you can argue with the numbers right? And now I'm like, Well, if I have fruit I always have it with I mean, I did this before to typically have it with a protein and or a fat app. It was some nuts have some turkey or you know peanut butter, whatever. So I think those two things I was focusing on the big picture because you can get really afraid of food and and paralyzed like well, doesn't matter. Anyway, I'm going to hell for eating, you know, not non organic strawberries. So I may as well have the bag of Lay's potato chips, sour cream, and you still say I'm still doing good, I'm still gonna get results. Great. That's a B if you want to tighten things up, like slap on a glucose monitor for two weeks and see see what your numbers are, then you'll kind of know, Oh, dang, I have to really tighten things up.Ari Gronich 30:12 So I'm gonna go a little bit different location with the rest of the conversation. Because there are people like Gaya like me who have underlying conditions. So in my case, brain tumor that is a pituitary tumor, it's hormone secreting, and it messes every working functioning hormone in my body. So, so with food, I have to be so extremely careful to not have estrogen making foods and things that will cause my body to swell and bloat and go into hormone, you know, hormonal conditions more. So, eating for hormonal health is something that I know you teach. And I wanted to get into that a little bit because there are so many people right now suffering from hormonal and autoimmune disorders because of what they're eating, and they don't even and nobody, you know, nobody's telling them what it is that's going on. all they're doing is giving them pills. So,Esther Blum 31:24 right. And are you aromatizing your testosterone to estrogen?Ari Gronich 31:29 Yep. My estrogen. So when I when I was a kid, I had I started getting hot flashes and migraines when I was seven. I had had to be injected into puberty when I was 12. And I had breast reduction surgery when I was 14. Because I was my estrogen was I think it was triple at the time a man a man's, you know, numbers and so yeah, so the the testosterone was like, even with injections and, and bio identical it's never gone above like 300 or 350 which is way too low. But I also produce no human growth hormone and my cortisol levels and C reactive proteins are out of whack.Unknown Speaker 32:17 SoAri Gronich 32:18 But again, it's not about me I'm just using as an example Yeah, sure. Sure. No hormonal health is is very important in my world And so yeah,Unknown Speaker 32:29 yeah.Esther Blum 32:31 So so is your question how to how to balance or if your man how to clear out excessAri Gronich 32:36 estrogens or man or woman how to clear out excess estrogens because women are suffering from the same kind of things. I mean, puberty at I think I heard the earliest one now is four years old for a girl was going through that physical and five. It's not that it is because they're being estrogen ated with all of all of the plastics and sois and stuff.Unknown Speaker 33:03 Yeah. Okay,Ari Gronich 33:04 so people are suffering from these hormonal options.Esther Blum 33:08 Well on fertility issues too, for sure. Okay, so let's talk about lifestyle management first, right, which is your home cleaning up your home because like you mentioned it like a lot of chemicals are mimicking the effect of estrogen and really disrupting our own biochemistry so simple things okay, like having a metal reusable water balls just better for the earth or drinking out of glass glasses not not plastic. Um, years ago I went to like homegoods and Walmart and you know, Amazon and I cleaned out all my plastic Tupperware 's and switch them out with glass top wires and glass top wires are great because they go from the freezer to the refrigerator to the oven to the dishwasher. Assuming you have a dishwasher, so those are great because plastics can leach into the food. So it's better to put things in glass which are inner chemically or metal containers as well. Um, and you know, like kids have like plastic lunchboxes, but you can get metal containers or like metal bento boxes style for kids. Okay, and then like your shampoos, your lotions, your makeup, shaving cream, you know, you deodorants you can get natural forms of those and they can be a little more expensive but it's to me it's so worth it. It's a cheap hospital bill. So do what you can afford and you know, I buy my husband and send their skincare products and stuff. You know Whole Foods has a really good line. or excuse me really good amounts. Now in terms of diet. You want to make sure that you are eating a lot of fiber flax seeds in particular are grab flax seeds are great for men and binding estrogen and pulling them out. pooping is a form of estrogen detox. So you want to make sure that you're pooping everyday if you're constipated. Yeah, eat, eat a lot of veggies, but also drink a lot of water. And you can take some magnesium, that will, you know, as a simple over the counter product called natural calm can give it to kids, it's powder, stir it and water, drink it down. So pooping every day is really important. flax seeds, broccoli, and cruciferous vegetables are also really important for helping support detox pathways in the liver, for getting the estrogen out. Now, in terms of whether or not like, I use a lot of supplements, also in creams, topical creams to help bind estrogen. But in order to do this, I test people with the Dutch test. This is a dried urine test for comprehensive hormones, because one person might need to get dim, which is standard methane, it's not support to estrogen detox, and another person might need, you know, topical test annex or calcium D glue. Great. So I really have to understand how much estrogen you're making, how it detoxifies, and moves through your body and if it's going down the right pathway. And if it's not, then you know, we have to it's complicated, right? You have to support your methylation patterns and all that but certainly, you know, again, getting a diet if you want to simplify this and say, oh, that already feels overwhelming, scary and weird. And you're not sure about testing a you would work with a good practitioner if you think you're estrogen dominant, but be you know, packaging your food in glass. Or if you get meats that are wrapped in plastic, when you come home, wash them, rinse them and dry them with paper towels before you start immediately cooking with them. Get plenty of green vegetables, do not do soy, soy suppresses thyroid function and can suppress testosterone production, even though it's temporary. Once you stop eating, it goes to normal. But those effects can be cumulative and can make girls developed breasts and pubic hair even at a very young age. So you want to be super careful with soy and the volume and amounts of soy milk or you know soy cheese or any of that. But other than that real foods, sweet potatoes you can do lots and lots of veggies, protein, chicken, poultry, fish, none of those are estrogenic and all this can help you support good liver function.Ari Gronich 37:59 So the only question I have is that non estrogenic for the meats, is that true if they are pastured you know, grain fed hormone and antibiotic given meats because or, you know, even farmed salmons, and things like that, that I mean, all of those from all the research I've looked at, tend to cause hormone disruption and neurological disruption. So,Esther Blum 38:32 you know, it's so crazy to me, I have seen studies that say there's really no difference between pastured and conventionally raised meats on that. So I'm, there's a good book called sacred cow. It's written by Rob Wolf and Diana Rodgers. And even they say like, nutritionally, there's not necessarily a difference, it's just better for the planet. So I can't make a claim one way or the other I simple sides of the research, I don't know, okay,Ari Gronich 39:03 because all the research that I do, the fat is completely different omega is, you know, so one is a very inflammatory, creating fat, and the other is not so though, if a cow say is raised and is grass fed, and free range, kind of fat is very much more omega three versus omega six. And, therefore, that inflammatory response causes of hormonal response. That's at least the studies that I've that I've seen, so I just kind of want I want to get people yes, it's better to have something than nothing at all. Yeah, but at the same time, it's better to spend a little bit more, eat a little bit less like you didn't eat massive amounts of meat, three meals a day, growing up, you know, in the case Right, it was as it was, once in a while when we got, you know, the when we hunted, that we got him. So I would just say, eat less, but eat better quality of it, and you'll find that you're actually more satisfied anyway. And so, cracked,Unknown Speaker 40:20 cracked.Ari Gronich 40:21 If you're scared about money, you find that if you're not eating in the middle of the store, like all the processed foods, food goes a lot further a lot, you know, more economical, even when you're eating healthier organic foods.Esther Blum 40:40 Yes, correct. Correct. And you know, when you find foods in season two, they're a lot less expensive, too. So the price does go down. But to your point, yes. I mean, I wrote a Paleo Diet book for women called cave, women don't getUnknown Speaker 40:53 fat. AndEsther Blum 40:56 I have all those studies in there published and I write all about the grass fed meat. So I was surprised when more recent research came out and said, it's actually not that different. So I was like, What? How is this possible? Okay, it blew my mind.Ari Gronich 41:09 Yeah, I wonder. Yeah, I wonder how much of thisUnknown Speaker 41:13 is cooking it?Esther Blum 41:14 I mean, grass fed me is much more difficult for me to cook because it is it's so lean, and it's tougher. And, you know, it's hard to find the same cuts of meat that I get from a conventional butcher. So it is a little trickier. But yeah, we kind of do a hybrid, we do both, depending on where because the grass fed butcher is nowhere near us to hike to get to. So we can do a mix of both. I'll be perfectly transparent. Say I'm not perfect with my eating either. But I look at the big picture. I'm like, Okay,Unknown Speaker 41:48 yeah, you know, me the enemy of done.Ari Gronich 41:52 None of us are perfect with our eating. You know, sourdough bread is still one of my, my, my curses along with with sushi, is it's one of the things that I love, and I don't care about the mercury, because I'll eat it once. And I'll, you know, enjoy every little bit of it. And then I just won't eat it for a while.Unknown Speaker 42:15 Yeah. Yeah.Esther Blum 42:19 balance, you have to live, you know, and I cringe at that word, because to me, it's like on par with moderation, which every dietitian is like, taught moderation till the cows come home. But, but there is balance and you know, pleasure is a nutrient to, and,Unknown Speaker 42:36 you know, I stillEsther Blum 42:37 have a cocktail every now and then I still have, you know, things I enjoy. And don't don't stress about too much, because I'll raise your cortisol more than anything else.Ari Gronich 42:48 And it's true. Yet the stress that we put on ourselves with eating disorders, and trying to fit into an image that we think somebody should, you know, has of what we think they should have of us. You know, it's like, most of the time, people aren't noticing anywhere near the same things that you think that they're noticing about you.Esther Blum 43:16 I always say, you know, nobody's noticing the size of your thighs, they're too busy worrying about the size of their own thighs. SoAri Gronich 43:24 absolutely. So tell us just, you know, to kind of close up what are a few of the things that people can do immediately to shift and change their own health in a way that that's powerful, but simple and easy.Esther Blum 43:43 Yeah, so I'm picking up investing in a couple of sets of dumbbells is really important right now.Unknown Speaker 43:50 Um,Esther Blum 43:52 you think I would say food would be the first thing out of my mouth. But you know, this pandemic has taken its toll obesity is a whole nother level of a pandemic right now and people may not be going to gyms for a while longer origins may not be open I God willing they are but you know, don't sit and wait for the perfect conditions to arise to invest in a little bit of home workout equipment. So you have you could start with your own bodyweight, a furniture sliders, that is a couple bucks and can make lunges and squats really dynamic and challenging.Unknown Speaker 44:32 But youEsther Blum 44:33 want to make sure that you are doing some kind of strength training because you don't want to lose, you know, be so sedentary this year that everything's going to pot you want to make sure you're maintaining you know, so a kettlebell set of weights, trs, make sure that you're investing in some kind of strength equipment and you can get free videos on YouTube for strength workouts, even using your own bodyweight to start Okay, so Don't build excuses for why you're not going to the gym right now find ways to make it work for you at home. And you don't need a lot of space. You don't need a lot of equipment, but you need some you need some resistance training, it's really important. So number two is sleep. Sleep reigns Queen when it comes to being your metabolic mistress or metabolic master. So sleep is really, really important. If you're not sleeping, it's really hard to heal your body and fix your adrenals and fix your cortisol and stay insulin sensitive. So make sure that your sleep hygiene is good. It's one of the hardest things I think sleep habits are harder for my clients to change than giving up booze or coffee. And my clients who are going to bed past 1231 132 are struggling with their weight loss, they're struggling to see results far more than people who front load their sleep and get to bed closer to 10. That's when you're producing the most those are the golden hours tend to when you're producing the most growth hormone, repairing your blood glucose mechanisms in your receptors. So make sure you're getting sleep. And three, of course, I'm going to say protein ra because we need more protein as we age, not less. So make sure you're getting you know 3040 grams a meal, this will sustain your blood sugar for up to six hours, it will promote mental cognitive health, it will boost neurotransmitter function, it will prevent the 3pm crash, it will prevent cravings and make you a nicer person. And if you are listening to this and you're a menstruating female, the second half of your cycle, you're even more insulin resistant and less insulin sensitive. So make sure you double up your protein that second half and it will offset your cravings, your bloat your weight gain all those things.Ari Gronich 47:02 And I'll just add to add iron iron to that mix cuz you don't want to ever get to a place of anemia.Unknown Speaker 47:10 That's correct. That's correct.Ari Gronich 47:14 So awesome. So how can people get ahold of you?Esther Blum 47:17 So you can go to my website, Esther blum.com and for the first seven callers, I or people who respond to this by me going old school here, you can get a free 30 minute consultation with me. This is a laser focused coaching call for people who are serious about moving the needle with their health. So you go to Esther blum.com forward slash call that cll. And you can get in my appointment book and you and I will talk and you will leave with three strategic customized tools to help you move the needle, whether it's you want weight loss, you want to sleep better, you want to balance your hormones,Unknown Speaker 48:01 we willEsther Blum 48:02 have you leave with a written instruction list ofUnknown Speaker 48:05 what you need.Ari Gronich 48:07 Nice. Thank you so much for being here. You know, every episode I like to to leave the audience with doable things so that they can create a new tomorrow today and activate their vision for a better world. So thank you so much for activating your vision. And not just that, but coming out into the public. You know, I like to say silence is a bully's best friend. So let's get loud. And I appreciate everybody who comes onto the show getting loud. And going up against the bullies like big agriculture, big pharmaceutical, big medicine, and general and, and saying, Hey, here's, here's the truth. We don't know about this science, because it's been paid for and bought. But we do know that based on these 1000s of years, and what we can say is if you eat this amount of food, you're going to be healthier, and if you get about this amount of walking in and this amount of movement, so I appreciate all of your wisdom. Thank you so much for coming on. I know you're busy. So thank you. And this has been another episode. So thank you so much for listening. And hopefully you have gotten an amazing amount of things that you can do right now to create your new tomorrow today. We'll see you next time. Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. If you'd like to take this information further and are interested in joining a community of like minded people who are all passionate about activating their vision for a better world. Go to the website, create a new tomorrow.com and find out how you can be part of making a bigger difference. I have a gift for you just for checking it out and look forward to seeing you take the leap And joining our private paid mastermind community. Until then, see you on the next episode.
Esther Blum is an Integrative Dietitian and High Performance Coach. She has helped thousands of women permanently lose weight, eliminate the need for medication, lose stubborn belly fat, and reverse chronic illness. Esther teaches her clients how to get clear and decisive about what to eat while healing their relationship with food and their bodies.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY ESTHER BLUM FOR MORE INFO.https://estherblum.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Esther Blum 0:00 There's a tremendous amount of clinical research on the importance of protein for longevity for bone density, you know, muscle, Dr. Gabrielle Lyon, she's my doctor and my my sister, my friend, but she always talks about how you know, muscle is the organ of longevity and, and there's so much clinical research on, you know, how we actually need to increase the guidelines for the RDI for protein that it's under what it should be and Case in point, you know, if if I do the math and give a healthy individual point, what is it I think it's like point six or point eight grams per kilogram of protein. They're getting what my renal failure patients used to get in the hospital.
Hi, I am here with Daniel bruce Levin. He walked away from a huge opportunity (to work his way up from pushing a broom to running a billion dollar business), to hitchhike around the world to find happiness and inner peace. His life has been dedicated to finding the peace and contentment that comes from truly knowing yourself. His mission has become holding the space for others to find that peace too.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY DANIEL FOR MORE INFO.http://danielbrucelevin.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:00 I'm Ari Gronich. And this is create a new tomorrow podcast.Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am Ari Gronich your host, and I have with me Daniel Bruce Levin, this is a man I'm gonna let him tell you about himself. But he basically turned away walked away from a billion running a billion dollar company. And in exchange for that, decided to hitchhike around the world, find inner peace and happiness. Live is a monk in a monastery, I mean, this guy or being a rabbi, you know, he's got the beard. So, you know, he's got that that Rabbi ask, you know, frame around him, if you if I was able to show you on my wall here I've got I've got a great Rabbi got the same beard, you know? So anyway, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself and how, how you became this sought after person who could choose to walk away from running a billion dollar opportunity.Daniel Bruce Levin 1:26 I've lived a really interesting life. I think a little different than most people, although everybody's life is different. So I don't mean to make mine better or worse. It isn't a compare. It isn't a comparison. It's just I've lived a different life. And I think the most compelling thing that brought me my why was losing my parents two years apart on the same day. My dad died when I was 13. And he was my hero. I looked up to him, and I couldn't understand why my hero would be taken from me for no apparent reason. My mom died two years later on exactly the same day at exactly the same time. And so I was a naive little kid very protected in a very protected neighborhood in Philadelphia. I remember when john F. Kennedy was running for president, he came down one of the side streets that we did by the house where we lived in a parade, you know, sort of just she's just getting votes, I guess. And the big talk was that he was the first Catholic ever running for president. And I remember walking back to my mom and saying, Mom, I can't believe it. So all the presidents have been Jewish there, since they've had them. That's how sheltered and protected I was. And she said, No, Danny, that's not there hasn't ever been a Jewish president. But I was a naive kid in a sheltered environment. And my parents just loved and adored me in a way that I've never, I always wanted to be loved and adored. And when they were going to wondered, why was that taken? Not only why, where did they go, but why was that taken from me? Where was I ever going to find that love again. And it was only in writing the book that's over my left shoulder. For anybody who's watching this one video that I realized what happened is, when my parents passed away, I asked the adults who were the wisest people that I knew Where'd my parents go.And they told me, they went to a place called heaven. So as a kid, I set out on a search for heaven.I didn't know where it was, I didn't know if it was if it was a story that I could go to on the main square in the main square. You know, I didn't know what it was. So I just set out in search of that place. And I was given all these opportunities when my parents passed away. My uncle was a household name around the world. And in those days, this was 50 some years ago. In those days, men didn't give their businesses to their daughters, even though their daughters were smarter, and probably way more capable than AI. They just didn't give them to them to them. And when he saw me come into the family, he didn't have any sons. He said to me, I'm going to watch you for a little while. And if I see something in you that I think I'm going to see, I'm going to change your life with an offer I'm going to make to you. And about a month and a half later, he said to me, he took me out to lunch. And he said, Danny, today's a day your life is going to change. And I said really what's going to happen? He said, I've been watching you and you have a peculiar trait about you that will either make you incredibly successful or make you a complete failure. I hope that I can mentor you towards success. What I'd like to do is start you tomorrow, pushing a broom in my office. And I want you to rise to the level that you can naturally rise to and I will be mentoring you in the hallway along the way so you will not fall And when you get to the place where you no longer have the skill and ability to get farther, I will mentor you pass that fifth place, because I believe I see in you somebody that can in 15 years time take over my business. That was a multi billion dollar businessAri Gronich 5:15 yet, you know, we talked about this in our pre interview. And, you know, my first response is, I wish that could have happened to me, right?Unknown Speaker 5:26 Yes,Ari Gronich 5:27 I wish that somebody back then at that level, would have said to me, I see something in you. And I want to take you under my wing, and I want to mentor you into becoming the best and the greatest that you can be. Yeah, however, you had a different outcome. So we'll just get into that. But I just wanted to interject my, my own thought of No, but, you know, that was like, Holy moly. What, what? What would have stopped me from doing that?Daniel Bruce Levin 6:06 Yes. I, you are, like probably 99.9% of the people in the world, which my uncle pointed out to me when I said to him, I would like you watch me for a month and a half. And you're, you're brilliant, man. Look what you've created, you've created this international conglomerate of business that in your household name. I'm just a kid. I can't make a decision like that. Right now. I would like to watch you for one year to see if what you're offering me is what I want. Of course, it sounds beautiful. From a financial point of view, who doesn't want to be a bit or doesn't want to run a billion dollar corporation and have more money than God? But I want to see if if what it brings with it is something that I can live with.Ari Gronich 7:02 Right. But and so Okay, so So before you go on. So how did you get to that place? At? How old were you at the time? 17, 15 ,15. Okay, so you're a 15 year old kid that's been sheltered, just lost his mom and dad. And yet, you're telling your uncle who's a billionaire. You know, I want to watch you and see if who you are is who I want to be. Yeah, I mean, that takes some Kahunas as well as, amid some stupidity. A level will stupid. Yeah, but a level of maturity. Yes. Same time. That is crazy. So how did you, you know, like backstep yourself? Yep. Analyze who you are before this? Right. Yeah. How did you become a person? What was the what were the things that made that be something that you would say?Daniel Bruce Levin 8:09 Yeah, beautiful question. Remember, what I discovered through the Mosaic, and what I discovered, after only five or six years ago, five years ago, writing the Mosaic, I didn't know the answers to that question then. But in looking back, in retrospect, I realized that I was looking for that place called heaven. And for a lot of people that have been would have been having a billion dollar company here, because having money is what people think will buy them happiness. But what I ended up seeing was the happiness that I was looking for wasn't a result of that money. There were people that had that money that were happy. There were people that had that money that were miserable. And one of the things that kept me from doing it, because I said, I'd like a year to see how who you are. A year to the day, he took me out to lunch again. And in and he said, I'd like an answer to my question. And I said, you have to be in the permanent, you know, punk that I was. I said, you got to ask a question before I can give you an answer. He said, Oh, so you forgot what you promised me a year ago? I said, No, I didn't forget. I just forgot that today was one year. And I'll never forget that again. I see how exactly you're. So I he said, Do you have an answer? I said, Yes. It's going to come in the form of three questions. And he said, okay, that doesn't sound good. You know that 99.9% of the people would have said, would have said when I first asked them, where's the broom? Let me start today. Not not wait till tomorrow. And now it's a year later and you have three questions for me. This doesn't bode well. Tell me what your three questions are. And remember, I said you you can either this quality that you have can either make you a huge success or a huge failure. And I have to say I'm in intrigued by the fact that you just don't run like everybody else would to that answer, because there's something in you that intrigues me. I don't know, I've never met somebody like you that's not influenced by the, by the power of what that money can give you. So I said, Okay, I have three questions for you. And when I asked him the three questions, it was clear to everybody,both of us for sure. that that wasn't meant for me to do. And he said, You know, I'm going to have to excommunicate you as a result of that.And I said, I said, I didn't realize you were going to have to, but I assumed you could. Because that's what people do, when like, you've given me your heart and soul, you've poured out on the table, everything that is important to you, you've offered to me, and you feel like I'm walking away from it. With with, with no respect. But that isn't what's happening. Like, it's in respect of, it's, it's an out of respect for you that I can't do that. Because that can never be the another version of you. And there's no room for me to be me in the company that you created. And so, I would rather be an unhappy version of myself than an unattainable unhappy version of you. Because I think I'll find happiness and being made whether I have money or not, that will make me happy. But I want to, I need to find myself, I need to find that Evan that I'm looking for, which is that place of unconditional love. And it starts with me, honoring and respecting and unconditionally loving myself. Alright, to the point that I know what's right, again, please 16Ari Gronich 11:47 What year is this?Daniel Bruce Levin 11:49 This was I was born in 55. So it was 1971.Unknown Speaker 11:53 Okay,Ari Gronich 11:54 so you're citing 70?Unknown Speaker 11:56 Actually, you're 16.Ari Gronich 12:00 This is the beginning of the 70s. We've got the hippie movement, right was in and crossing over to the disco world, right? This is what's happening in the world. We've got gas shortages, we've got Nixon we've got right, this is what's happening in the world. And you're telling your billionaire Uncle, I am looking to be happy within myself. Yeah, again, I'm just I'm repeating this because I think it's important that people realize the mindset that comes along with whatever success you're you're partaking in, and how important it is to feel honoring within yourself. And, you know, I like you watch a lot of the people who appear to be in power. And because I've had the opportunity to be hands on, so to speak with them. I know whether they're happy or not, I know whether they're fulfilled or not. And I know, kind of the the pieces of where they're fulfilled and where they're not. But I'm also an adult, at this point who's had a lot of years of experience, right? So you're 16 you're in the 70s it's the beginning of this movement of turning over for the Age of Aquarius, right? So everybody's preparing. And you're telling your uncle that you'd rather be happy than be a billionaire?Daniel Bruce Levin 13:42 Yeah, well, it wasn't that I'd rather be happy than be a billionaire. But I wanted the ability to be myself. And I honestly when I look at the world around me today, one of the things that I see is that there are a lot of people that have a lot of money. But there are not a lot of people that know themselves very well. It doesn't mean that people that have money don't know themselves or people that are poor don't know themselves. I don't find anybody I don't find many people in any of those stratosphere is that actually know who they are and feel comfortable in their own self. And when you find somebody like that, that person can be Richard before can be ugly, can be sad, can be can be old can be young. But when that person walks into a room with a prayer with the presence of knowing themselves, and feeling that presence, people are drawn to it like bees to honey. And, and that was what I was looking for. I was looking for that unconditional love that my parents gave me. I wanted to be that I wanted to feel that and as as much as that business would have given me so much joy, so much ability to have to have things that nobody in this world could haveI didn't see the possibility for me at that point for it to give me the ability to have what I wanted.In retrospect, now, what I've learned about the heaven that I was looking for, is that heaven is a change of perspective, that heaviness, the ability to sweat to look at what we've always seen one way, and see it entirely different to be curious about how other people see it. And now in looking back, what I realized, I could have easily gone into my own boss company. I could have easily changed my perspective, and been and found my happiness, right, in that I could, I could have found that in, in starting organizational psychology when my hair was down to my waist. And I said to my professor, what in the world do you see in me that looks like an organizational guy? What are you crazy, but I was so arrogant and so sure of myself, that now when I look back, some 40 years later, I'm working with organizations and i'm doing i'm doing organizational psychology with them now. And in the work that I do, sometimes, I could have been that in the rabbinical school. What we do doesn't determine our happiness, who we are determines our happiness. But I didn't see that then. I was just a kid and I didn't.Ari Gronich 16:25 Is it who we are? How we are?Daniel Bruce Levin 16:29 Yes, it's, it's, it's, it's probably all of that. But when I say who we are. There, we I did some work, I branded a coaching company is one of the things that I did. And they had a beautiful assessment that they did with people. And they look at the seven different ways that people show up in the world. And who a person is really determines how they show up in the world. And they can either show up as a victim, as a confrontational person, as someone who rationalizes everything, as someone who wants to please other people and will do everything they can for other people, they can show up in a win win situation where everybody wins, they can show up in a place where there is nobody to win with, there's only one, we're all together, we're all united. Or they can show up in the place where none of this is real at all it all just as an illusion. And depending on where you where we show up, where I show up in any situation, determines the outcome of how that situation looks to me. And it was really beautiful.Ari Gronich 17:46 So So then I go back to the previous part of your story. What are the three questions that you asked your uncle?Daniel Bruce Levin 17:54 I thought I could slip by that. But I see your sharp you won't let me go on. So I remembered who he was he had a they had a beautiful big house and in the Midwest. And for his birthday, one year while I was there that about 400 people showed up for his birthday party.Unknown Speaker 18:14 And I went upDaniel Bruce Levin 18:15 to him and I said at one point in the midst of the party, I said, Boy, you must feel so happy. You must feel so proud of who you are as a human being that you would have 400 people come here and celebrate your birthday with you. I mean, how does it feel to be that loved and admired? And he said, Danny, let me let me tell you something. You have you have rose colored glasses. And that's the way you look at the world. These people aren't here because they love and admire me. These people are here because I have a lot of money.And they want something from me. So I said Do you remember when you said that to me?And he said, Yes, I do. I said why would you want to give me that gift? Why would you want to give me that the lack of faith in myself. I wasn't a lovable I wasn't I wasn't the friends that I had didn't want to be friends with me. They only wanted what I had. And maybe I and then he said, Okay, I see. I see where you're going. This isn't looking so well. What's your second question?Unknown Speaker 19:27 And I said,Daniel Bruce Levin 19:28 I said, Let's imagine for a minute that I could get past that hurdle. But I doubt I could I mean you're brilliant. You're, you're you're wise intuitive men. So if you can't get by it What chance do I have getting by but let's imagine for the moment that I could. I remember sitting around the dining room table with the family one one night having dinner. And the girls were just starting to get boys at boys were just starting to get interested in them and they were talking about The boys that they liked and the boys liked them. I said, Do you remember your response? Do you remember what you said? He said, Yes, I do. But what do you think I said them. I said, here's my recollection, tell me if I'm right or not. You said to them girls, as attractive as you are as smart as you are as as, as kind and funny as you are. These guys don't give a damn about who you are, they give a damn about what your last name is. And just be careful that the only reason they love you is because of your last night name. Because you single handedly can change the projection, the trajectory of their life just in a relationship. So just be careful that they're not using you for your for your last name.As it's to say, I could get past the first hurdle. Why would you want to give that gift to my children?And he said, Okay, this doesn't look so great. What's your third question? I said, I love that you want to start me at the bottom pushing a broom. And I love that you don't want to just hand me over something that I'm not that I haven't I haven't earned. But as I come up from pushing a broom and talking and being involved with every level of every person in the construction company, I imagine I'm going to see certain things that you don't see anymore, because you're not that you don't have that involvement with them. If I see things or hear things from those people that I think could really change the company and help the company to have a culture that's even better than the culture that's there now. Would you allow me the space to make those changes? I said, Do you remember what you said to me? He said, like it was yesterday, tell me what you think I said to you. I said, I think you said to me, if it ain't broken, we fix it, Danny. And he said, That's spot on, I would say the same thing to you again.So I said, if I could get over the first hurdle, if I could get over the second hurdle. I still have a third hurdle, and that there's no place for me really in your company.Because I wouldn't be permitted to make the things that were when MIT would put my earmark on it. And he said, What do you really think?I mean, have you started any billion dollar companies? I said, Of course not. So I said, I think we have our decision, don't you?And he said, unfortunately, so remember I said to you, your intelligence would either make you successful? Or would or would make your proper I think it's going to make you a pauper right now, this is a stupid decision. I said I understand. And you're probably right. But I would rather make a stupid decision on the chance of being happy being made, then make a wise decision with with the possibility of ever being new, and being unhappy the rest of my life doing that.Ari Gronich 23:10 All right.Unknown Speaker 23:12 Wow.Ari Gronich 23:13 So I just I keep going back to your 18 years old, your age at the time and the level of maturity. But also, where did you learn the value of questions? Because obviously, obviously, you had them at an earlier age. And I would imagine that you had them before your parents passed. But where did you learn that value of curiosity, the value of of questioning and being curious? Well,Daniel Bruce Levin 23:55 I mean, even when john kennedy went down the street, outside our, by the border, our neighborhood, I said, Does that mean all the other presidents were Jewish? You know, I mean, a questions like I was always I tested it in, in preschool in preschool and elementary school, with an IQ of a genius. And I never really said much about it or cared much about it. But I think the genius mind is a mind that's inquisitive. I think, you know, part of the curse of having a genius mind, is it's so easy to think that I know something that I don't know. And, and somewhere along the line, I realize the curse of the genius mind is the arrogance that comes with it, of knowing things that other people don't know. And I realized that I can ask questions to find out what people do know, rather than assume that I know what they did. They know oftentimes what they told me was exactly what I thought, but sometimes it wasn't. And I always, even to this day, have About 10 or 15 years ago, a company by the name of Vistage. They train CEOs. They hire people to train CEOs, how to better their business. And they recruited me at one point in time to see if I could be one of their people. And I ended up not going with them. But they have Cogan and the saying that goes along with their company that I wish to God I had come up with, but I didn't. So I give credit to them for it because it's exactly what I do. They said, when people come to us, they think that we're going to answer their questions. But in truth, what we do is we question their answers. I thought that was brilliant. And it's really the practice that I do. I question. All through my life, I've been a disrupter. Even as a kid, I questioned the answers that people gave me because I didn't see the same way they saw. I always saw things differently. And in seeing things differently, what they thought was just cut and dry, easy answer. When I questioned them, I realized they didn't really know the answers to the questions of their answers. They just said their answers because they were the answers.Ari Gronich 26:15 So how often do you say the phrase? Yeah, I know.Daniel Bruce Levin 26:22 Rarely,Ari Gronich 26:24 I asked that because I remember being a kid. And you know, I was unlike most I was five years old, when I first started having conversations about philosophy and religion and politics. And I never understood kids my age, necessarily. I was definitely an introvert who likes to read and like to study and research and I read non fiction biographies of people in history. That was like my thing. I loved learning about people, and why they made the decisions that they made. And I was curious, but I also had that I know that because I would study so much that I felt like I knew. And then about 2000, the year 2000. I did the sterling men's weekend. So I was 24 years old and and doing this thing called the sterling men's weekend, which came out of asked and is a powerful experience. And one of my buddies that I met through that organization, his name is Bill Chapelle. And Bill Chapelle was one of Werner Earhart's coaches back before asked. Yeah, he also was one of the first five rebirth authors with Leonard or on the planet. I mean, this is a guy whose ability at psychology and knowing the brain and knowing motivation and all that is unparalleled. And he became a very good friend of mine. But he used to say to me, for me, to think that I know anything about anything, including what I'm saying right now, is the height of arrogance. Yeah. Because for all I know, I could be the ball in somebody's pinball game, being flipped around all over the place and have no control because 99.999% of what reality is, is unperceivable to the human condition. Yeah.Daniel Bruce Levin 28:55 When I say very rarely, I say, I mean, I meant that now. But growing up as an African kid, I've probably said it a lot.Ari Gronich 29:03 Oh, good. I just wanted to make sure that, yeah,Daniel Bruce Levin 29:06 I would I because what my gift was so to speak, was I was great at breaking down walls and starting things up. And I also had the gift and still do, of knowing how things and so when I knew how things were going to end, and when I started things up, and I knew how things were going to end. I had very little patience for the time in the middle. Because I wondered, well, it's obvious This is what's going to happen. Why do we have to waste all this time getting there? What I realized in my older age, is that tendency has made me miss out on most of the beautiful things and most of the pains and most of the things that give life all of its texture and all of its color. Because I didn't take time to sit there and smell the roses so to speak. I didn't take time to experience some of the experiences because I was as hell bent on getting to the end and starting up something new. And I didn't even feel like that was something that I was missing out on. Until I realized there's some things in my life now that I want to look back on. I haven't dealt with I haven't resolved, I haven't given the time sales. And all those things are important for us to determine who we are and what we feel, not to just glaze over them and run past them. But just I'm not, I'm not suggesting that we build houses in them, and stay stuck in them. But I am suggesting that we take a walk through them and walk into them and walk out of them. And when we can do that we we leave them in because they've even been our best, rather than in a room that we've locked them in with padlocks and scared to death that they'll come out one day at a second.Ari Gronich 30:54 So I'm going to ask you a, I think it's probably a tough question that you'll find easily. But it's a tough question for many people, logic and emotion. And the question becomes, I can so I'll just take me for an example. I can experience an experience, logically know that that was an experience that had all kinds of intricacies and nuance to it. But the emotional triggers may still create reaction in the future versus response, right. So I'm reacting to what was when, even though I logically have I have this logical mind that says, Okay, this is just silly. So how do we how do you get? How do people is there any tools or techniques that get people from the logic where you can understand something to the emotion where you actually will do the thing that may emotionally be outside of your history and pattern?Daniel Bruce Levin 32:16 Yeah, when I find out, I'll let you know. But, you know, they, there's that common saying that the hardest, longest hardest journey we ever take is about an 18 inch journey from our head to our heart. That when you speak of what you speak of I can I, you are a mirror of me saying the same thing to myself. I know, I know things. And I feel things. And for me, the greatest moments of conflict are when core values of what I know and what I feel, are in different places and are in opposition to each other. Those are the places where I have the most difficulty getting through. Because either way I lose and I win. And it's hard to lose, it's hard to give up something that you that you really want. Because there's something else that you really want. It's not that. And so in both cases, you've come out scarred, I came out scarred. But that doesn't like the only thing that I can tell you now that I'm experiencing in this moment, is what I know means nothing. Unless it's unless it's in alignment with what I feel. And what I feel when when head and heart Come in alignment. Then I operate in a flow, I don't operate in an opposition. Part of the reason the the mosaic is so valuable to me. It's the book that I wrote that that speaks to a different story. It says it's a simple, beautiful story in the words that it tells. But the story is told also in the spaces between the words. And in the spaces between the words, the story is that everything is connected, nothing is as it seems. And so if nothing is as it seems, it doesn't matter what I think it is. It doesn't matter. All the stories that I've told myself over hundreds and hundreds of times that I now believe are facts, when they're just simple stories. They're not facts, they're stories. But I've told him to myself so many times that I believe they're real, but they're just stories. And it's in the dismantling of those stories. That worlds crumble from I mean, for me, at least I'm talking about my world. Because on those stories on those facts, stories that I believe were facts, I built houses and communities and villages and towns and cities and states and countries. And when I unraveled those big I realize any truth. And it's just a story that I've told myself over and over and over again. Everything crumbled, the village, just towns, the cities, this countries. And it's a scary place to be. But it's also an incredibly exciting place to be, because all of a sudden, everything is seen differently.Ari Gronich 35:23 So I'm going to,I'm going to use a saying that I use a lot on here. It's one of my favorite quotes that I created. Because it's so simple, but the quote is, we made this shit up, we can do better. So here's an, you know, then the tagline for that is, so let's create a new tomorrow today and activate our vision for a better world. Right? So because we want to walk,Unknown Speaker 35:57 I couldn't have led you in that path any better. But, exactly.Ari Gronich 36:01 So here's the question. We made this shit up, we can do better. However, people become married to their construct, so much so that the even concept or idea that it's a construct that we made up, falls short on the perception of the person who constructed it. And so we're married to this thing that we've created that we can all see is, at best sub optimal, not performance based. But the attachment to that construct is so great. That having people realize that, like, you can create a totally different form of government and not have it be socialist democratic, or Republican, Republican communists or it could be like, the the, the the leaven society, you know, like, I mean, it could be any possibility of thing that we can create next, right? Yeah. But people are so married to the, to the idea that this label means this because we created it that way. Yeah. And so it can't ever mean anything else. False fall short. So anyway, that's, that's, that's my, my question to you is, how do we get the construct to have less value than the end result? And the journey be such a great experience in the journey of creating new constructs, that people won't be so uncomfortable with the d raveling? of the old one?Daniel Bruce Levin 37:53 It's a great question. And it really is your it's, it's at a further question on logic and emotion, right? Because we understand something in one way we feel something another way. What we feel prevents us from seeing what we're able to see, when when one of the underlying currents of the mosaic is that nothing is it seems. A very, very simple concept, but a scary as hell concept. When you sit with the idea, or the possibility, let's give it a possibility, let's not make it a fact. Sit with the possibility of nothingness as it seems. The way it happened for me in the book, and this is through the words of the story is that mo is a is a young boy who loses his parents two years apart on the same day. It's a fable is version of my life. And when he asked the adults where his parents are, they tell him they're in a place called heaven. So he sets out that day on search in a place called heaven. But the people he meets along the way are not the rabbis and the priests and the Swamis and the gurus. And the shamans and the aborigines elders and the medicine women. They're common ordinary people. They're the trash man and the road worker, the homeless guy in the blind woman, this juice man in the street artist, the gardener and the waitress. And he wonders why in the hell am I meeting these people? They don't seem like the people that would be able to show me. But he hears a voice inside of himself that says you're here with them, have the decency to just sit with them and let them tell you their story? And are you in 100% of the cases, when he takes the time to just sit with them and listen to their story? When he realizes that the person that he had originally saw isn't at all the person that they are now. There's so much deeper, so much more, so much for so much greater than then who he thought they were and Even the things that they do are examples of if we would use what the just use the things that they do as as parables to help us live a better life. For instance, can I tell you one story that's in there?Ari Gronich 40:14 Absolutely. Yeah, please do.Daniel Bruce Levin 40:18 So along his journey, he's walking down a city street. And the street is absolutely pristine clean. He has nothing in his pockets, no backpack on his back. He's just walking empty with nothing, nothing to encumber him. And to his amazement, a truck pulls up beside and stops. It's a trash truck. And the trash man looks and says, Don't you have any garbage that you want me to take from you? And Moe looks down around them. He looks on the streets, he looks on himself. And he says, he's about to say to the man, what are you crazy? I mean, the street is clean. I have nothing on me. Like, why would you be first of all? When did the trash structure stop and ask a person if they have any trash that they want someone to take? And don't you see there's nothing here? And he's just about the land of the guy and say, What are you crazy when he catches the glimmer in the trash man's eyes. And he realizes the trash man isn't asking them about physical trash. He's asking him if he has anything emotional, or spiritual, or mental or thought processes that are keeping him from having what he needs. And he starts to break down and cry. And he said, Oh my god, I was about to yell at you and tell you, you're crazy. But I have so much trash. I don't think I can get it out on my own. And the trash man looks at him and says, that's why I stopped the truck. I'll help you. Let me come down and bring my cat. And he brings his trash can down. And he puts it by the side of the road. And he says mo but everything that her pains you everything that ails you everything that's keeping you isolated, everything that's keeping you from having what you want, just put it into this trashcan. And the more that you put in, what I want you to just realize is I want you to be free of it for just one minute. I'm not going to put it in the truck and take it away until you tell me to. And if you don't want me to take it away, we can keep it in the can. But I want to, I want you to experience One moment, what it feels like to be rid of all that stuff. To just not have that blocking you anymore. You can put it just all of it right here in the trash can is when you think you're done. Go back in and get find more. I have tons of trash cans that we can fill up. You won't he won't overfill my cans, don't worry. But everything there and I'll help you with anything that you don't need help with. I'll help you to get it out. Because I want you to know that one moment where you see yourself the unlimited power of yourself when you actually see who you're all my life. I wanted to be a trash man, I would sit out when I was four years old and watch the trash man come and collect the garbage. And one day after about watching them for six months, the trash man looked at me and said you want to come for a ride with us around the block. And I was like ecstatic. It was like I you know, a God himself had come to me. And I started to get on the truck and my mom was watching through the kitchen window. She said, Daddy, where you're going? What are you doing? Where are you taking my son? And they said, Ma'am, I'm sorry, we're not going to do anything to him. We've just watched him. He's been here every Friday, for the last six months. We just asked him if we just want to take them around the block and let him have the thrill of pushing the button that grinds the trash up. Because kids like to do that. And she said if he's not back in 10 minutes, I'm going to call the police. They said met them Don't worry, we have we mean no harm. We want to give him a present. And I came back and I said Mom, I want to be a trash man. I love that. And she said to me, Danny, you have a genius IQ. You can't be a trash man. 60 years later, my mom's probably turning over in her grave. Because what I realized is I'm a trash man. That's what I do for people. And if my son wanted to become a trash man, and wanted to become that trash man, I would spend every dollar I had helping them to do that. Because that's what this world needs. It needs people that will help us to see ourselves as we really are. Now that's a trash man. Most people walk by the trash man and don't think he has any value at all. That those aren't even the stories that he tells that's just in the work that he does. But when we're able to see the beauty of everybody's station in this world, not as a below or above, not as higher or less, not by them The money they make or the or the house that they live in, or the religion they practice. But when we see them for who they actually are and what they actually do.We have there, the world is showing us so much. And we have so much opportunity to learn from them, and be with them and understand them and practice the practices. They practice. And they weren't great religious leaders, they're not spiritual giants. They're common ordinary people. Nothing is as it seems.Ari Gronich 45:36 It's a It's a beautiful story. Yeah, it's a beautiful story. I'm gonna ask you in a little bit more of what mosaic means and, and what the book really details. But before then I want to get to some of your personal Mosaic, which is your life. So you went to seminary for five years. You left one day before becoming a rabbi. So you didn't actually complete this five year process. And then you went and lived as a monk for 10 years. somewhere else? So tell me the transition that happened that like, what, what were the mechanisms of thinking that that occurred? You know, and and I'm gonna say this, it's about pivot. Because any business has to pivot, we've had this whole Corona thing we've had to pivot we had, you know, pivoting is in transitioning from one thing to another. It's kind of a theme I think, I've gotten started with you today is this whole idea of transitioning and transmutation? But, you know, tell me, how did you go from Rabbi to monk?Unknown Speaker 46:58 So,Daniel Bruce Levin 47:00 again, the the moment that changed my life was the death of my mom and my dad, my dad and my mom. I was so close to my dad. He was my hero. My mom, I love my mom was like an Ozzie and Harriet mom. Most people won't know what that is. But she was the wolf. She was the mom that came home and had milk and cookies on the table for us when we came home from school, and sat and made sure we did our homework and where we grew up in a lower middle class family, what we lacked in money we wish we had abundantly in love for each other. And so that was the environment that I grew up in. I lost your question. Tell me what your question is again.Ari Gronich 47:43 transmutation. transmutation. Okay. SoDaniel Bruce Levin 47:45 pivots. So again, what what I was looking for in every situation was that having that place where I could feel that unconditional love again. And so I went, I went in search for that it wasn't in my uncle's business. It wasn't in school selling, learning psychology. It wasn't hitchhiking around the world. It wasn't in the seminary, when I realized that I would, if I were to go through the process of being ordained, I would never represent the rebby in the way that he wanted to be represented, because I came there and route to India. And what he said to me was, Why were you born Jewish? Were you born Jewish to become a Hindu? And I said, I can't answer that question. He said, so then sit with me and have the courage to be here with me until you come up with an answer to that question. I said, I think that's a beautiful challenge. I would love to do that. And what he said was really a beautiful thing, because I was having all sorts of problems with Judaism. This was Orthodox Judaism. Right? Right ultra Orthodox Judaism. And, and I said, I just can't relate to a lot of these things. And he said, Danny, problems exist on the same level. They're always at the same level. What happens is we we grow and shrink in our own life. When we shrink, the problems look insurmountable. When we're not strong in ourselves, when we can see where we are, when we don't know what's going on. The problems seem like they're, they're mountains that we can never get over. But when we grow in ourselves, those same things that appeared like mountains moments ago now it seemed like molehills, and we walk over them with one simple step. Just put things on the shelf, Danny, anything you're having problems with. Now, it's because you're weak in what we're doing. You don't understand it. As you stay here and understand it more. Just keep looking at your shelf. Because you right now you're looking up at this mountain. Soon you'll be looking at it as a as a molehill. The day before I was to be ordained how Went to the rugby and I said rugby, my shelf just gave them everything that was on it is all over the floor, it's a mess in that in my room. I can't do this anymore. And I can't in good faith, be ordained in your name and not follow the integrity of the teaching that you've given me. Because I wouldn't do I wouldn't use it the way you would use it, I would use it as a title to get me further along in my way. But I would use it to embrace all religions, not just Judaism, and out of honor and dignity to you and love for you. I can't do that in your name. So I think the only place for me to go is to walk away.Ari Gronich 50:40 So okay, so so I'm just going to repeat 16 year old billionaire asks you to run a billion dollar company? No. Because I would be going against me.Daniel Bruce Levin 50:55 I be out of integrity with myselfAri Gronich 50:57 right out of integrity with myself. Next rabbi. I mean, out ofDaniel Bruce Levin 51:02 the box. Next was my psychology professor in school. Right? Okay. He wanted me to be his mentor in organizational psychology. And he, he wanted me to be his mentee, I'm sorry, not as mentor. He wanted to mentor me. And he wanted to be able to, for us to develop organizational psychology together. And I looked at him and I said, What are you crazy, that is huge. That just isn't me. Third step was Rabbi saying, I want you I want you to create schools that I've created and change the way people think about Judaism. But it wasn't me. Okay, and so, so many people,Ari Gronich 51:42 I just want to get get to this, you're a very contrary person. So what where I, where I'm going with this is people are so afraid to let somebody else down, that they will absolutely 100% let their entire life down. Personally, in order to please, other people.Daniel Bruce Levin 52:14 Yeah. And I was, I was scared to let people down to though, I just didn't want to let my uncle down by not being able to do what he wanted me to do. I was scared to let my professor down by not being able to do what he wanted me to do. I was scared to let the rabbi down by not letting him do what, but without letting me do what he wanted me to do. So I had the same neuroses of everybody else. I just had the integrity of my own belief system to say that, who being true to myself was as important as being true to somebody else. Because I realized somewhere early on,that life was short, because my parents were taken from me. And if I didn't have the guts to practice and try and learnwho I was, and what I was doing here on this planet, that I would never live a life of fulfillment. I might be rich, but I wouldn't be fulfilled. I might be, I might have fame, but I wouldn't be fulfilled. I wanted fulfillment. Because right now, I can honestly say to you, I could live under a bridge or I can live in imagine it wouldn't matter to me, because I know who I am. And I feel content to be who I am in the space that I'm at. Because my teacher was an Indian was an Indian girl by the name of paramahansa Yogananda and Parma Honza Yogananda used to say, people think that hell in heaven are these places above and below us. The truth of the matter is portable paradise with Wherever we go, or our portable hell with us wherever we goAri Gronich 53:50 there within us, not without us.Daniel Bruce Levin 53:52 Yeah. And so what I somehow had the had the blessing to to feel without even knowing that I was feeling it was there was a portable paradise in me that couldn't be couldn't be altered by how much money I had or what religion I practice or who was proud of me for doing what they wanted me to do. That it was more important for me to stay true to that portable paradise. And even if I made mistakes, which I've made tons of that I was trying to stay true to the integrity of valve holding that portable paradise as mine and sharing that paradise with as many people as I could.Ari Gronich 54:29 Alright, so I'm going to go to the side that looks at it from a little bit of a different angle.Sothe world is a little crazy,Daniel Bruce Levin 54:43 right? Yep. And maybe a whole lot crazy, by the way,Ari Gronich 54:50 just a little. You know, the thing is, I was watching an interview with Jordan Peterson and, and he's an interesting you know, Canadian cat. very controversial in many ways, but he was talking about this a little bit as well. And the he's a psychologist, right. He's a clinical psychologist, not organizational, but clinical. And he's talking about motivations. And he's talking about about all these things. But now I've lost my thought a little bit. Where was I?Daniel Bruce Levin 55:30 You were saying he was controversial? And he was.Ari Gronich 55:35 Okay, so so the construct, I go back to the construct, and the idea that, that we are designed. So what he was saying is that human beings that it's, he says, it's a bloody miracle, that we're all in this room together. And nobody is killing anybody. And we're peaceful, and we're able to be human and peaceful. At the same time. He said, that's a bloody miracle. That that is not how we're designed, right? We're designed as humans to be controversial and self serving and so on, in many ways. And, you know, some of that I agree with some of it, I don't. But the point is, is that within the constructs, right, we have people who work for companies, for instance, for 40 years, and are miserable, the entirety of the time that they're doing it make their families miserable, make their lives and their kids miserable. But they do it because they have a sense of responsibility. So that the question becomes the pivot, versus the responsibility. My parents used to say, I want you to be a happy, healthy, productive member of society. And if you can't be happy, and you can't be healthy, at least be productive. Right? So I was raised to always be doing less being, even though I would study ways of being. So it's kind of interesting. That's kind of how I got my I'm a Gemini too. So I have multiple personality disorder. And I'm a Jewish Gemini, which means that if you have, you know, 10 Jews in a room, you have 100 opinions. So yeah, that to a Gemini, you got 1000 opinions in one head, and a committee for the committee for the committee. So I am noUnknown Speaker 57:33 joke, because you feel one of the things or the other. Right,Ari Gronich 57:35 exactly. And it goes both ways. It's like, okay, but I want this, but I want this, but I want this, but I want this, I want, I want the world a better place. And I want it to be a certain way that I want it to be right. So you are here. And you're you're going through all of these experiences monk training for 10 years living as a monk, five years for rabbi, organizational psychology, that's another at least six years in school, right? You're going through all these trainings, and you're going and you're going in them long enough to have invested a massive amount of life in them. Yeah. And then saying, yeah, that didn't work for me. I, you know, I could see, I don'tDaniel Bruce Levin 58:20 think I ever said it didn't work for me. Well, IAri Gronich 58:22 mean, it doesn't leave. It worked for me, as a lifelong profession.Unknown Speaker 58:27 Yeah, but I neverDaniel Bruce Levin 58:28 I don't think I ever looked at things as a lifelong profession. Because, again, the beauty of losing my mom and dad if there was a beauty to it, because I didn't have anyone that I had to please. I didn't have my parents saying, Our getting this, you know, that I could, I was free. My aunt and uncle tried to be my parent parents, but I would I was arrogant kid. And I said, You're not my parents. I don't have to do what you say. You know, because I just thought I knew better. And, and that that was my shortcoming. But I didn't have to live up to anybody else's standard of who I had to be. I will end and I was forced to be independent. I wasn't my choice. But in my independence, I realized hold it. There's freedom here. Like I don't have to decide at 15 what my life's occupation is going to be I just have to decide what makes me feel good and happy and fulfilled right in this moment. And so when I went to school and studied psychology, I, I was in college and 16 years old, when I went to college at 16 years old, and I took two years to study psychology, and I sat with my my professor, I loved the the practice of that. But when he said organizational psychology, I looked at him and I said, What are you crazy and and what I realized is psychology didn't answer my questions of why my parents were taken from. And so I left my uncles and aunts. To the questions of why my parents were taken from me put it put a whole nother world over that. But I could have lived in that other world without answering the primary question that I had to ask myself, of Why does a kid 15 years old lose the people love sincerely, and that love him dearly? And why does he lose unconditional love in a moment not know why. And so, when I, when I went into The Revenant, I had the same quote, I had the same thing that happened. You know, what? At a certain point, it didn't, it wasn't the life that wasn't going to answer my questions. When I went into the monastery, it didn't change. It didn't answer my questions, and everything, put a nice new facade over the life that I was going to live. That would have made me very, very happy. Because there were beautiful facades, but they didn't answer the question. It wasn't until five years ago, when I finished writing the mosaic. Or I started writing Mosaic, that what I realized was that might happen was that perceptual shift. And had I been able to see what I was looking at differently. You know, there's that picture of the old hag and the young socialite, you know what I'm talking about that, that black and white. And when you look at it, you see one or the other, you can't see both of them at the same time. And I remember seeing the old hag when someone showed it to me first. And my friend said to me, what do you see the beautiful young socialite I said, Come on. I don't I don't mean to be politically. But this is an old woman here. She is not a beautiful socialite. And they said, No, you're not seeing it. Clearly. If you see it differently, you'll see it. I said, You're crazy. There's, this picture is an old tag. And they said, just look at it and look at it. And what I realized is, suddenly, I saw the young socialite, a beautiful young socialite. And as soon as I saw the socialite, I could no longer see the old tag. So what I realized is what we see in the world that we live in, literally blocks us from seeing everything else that's in that same frame. We can't see what's there. And so we have to slide ourselves out of the way to see what's there, when we're not when, when when we are not there. The world that I see is not the world that is it's the world that I see. And so in all these places, these are, the reason why people think I'm crazy, is because every one of those situations for them would have been their Heaven, who would want to walk away from a billion dollar business, that's Heaven, for a kid 15 years old, to be handed the opportunity to have a billion dollar company, and the run that we have the lifestyle that goes with it. That's what most people dream of, and feel like, they'll be happy in that life. It wasn't my heaven. And so what I grew through learning in that, is that what seems like heaven to one person is not having to another, and to really be able to listen to other people and hear what is your having? What is that place that makes everything in you completely aligned?Unknown Speaker 1:03:12 Where you feel youUnknown Speaker 1:03:14 where you are youDaniel Bruce Levin 1:03:15 where you're not somebody else's dream of what you should be your your own dream of what you think you could have been, if someone else would have done something for you.Unknown Speaker 1:03:24 Who are you?Daniel Bruce Levin 1:03:27 And what I found, can I tell you another little story, I'm a storyteller, but I don't want to talk my way through it.Ari Gronich 1:03:33 Absolutely. The only The only caveat to to this particular story is we're going next to a Hay House. And and so I just wanted to give you that heads up that we were going to the next transition or one of the next transitions thereafter. SoUnknown Speaker 1:03:49 okay, letDaniel Bruce Levin 1:03:51 me just tell you a short story. Because when I left my aunt and uncle's place, the two years that I was there with them, I became really close, my best friend was, was the son of another billionaire. And we had talked about what we would be able to do together in the world together through our friendship, and through the way we saw the world because we thought we saw the world in similar eyes. And when I left, he got so upset with me. And he said, You are just in absolute idiot. How can you do this to me? We had this we had planned out what we were going to do with our life with you being you being where you were and me being where I was and coming together to do these things together. And now all of that is from is gone. said none of it's gone. We can still do all of it. I just won't be in that same position. He said not you're making a stupid decision. I don't want anything to do with you. And he just defended me at this at that same moment.Ari Gronich 1:04:48 Did he hit a button?Unknown Speaker 1:04:50 Even while most almost it's like, you know, canceled culture, right? It's like It's like if it was Facebook, it would have been a lot easierDaniel Bruce Levin 1:04:59 and it hurt me You've heard me to know and but I said, you have to do what you have to do. About 30 years later, I was staying in New York at the Mandarin Oriental, and I was friends with the people that that are in charge of the Mandarin Oriental around the spa. And they would give me a friends and family rate there. And the friends and family rate was cheaper than some of the dive hotels in New York. And so I was I had the I had the opportunity every time I was in New York to stay at this beautiful luxury hotel, at a frat, you know, a fraction of a fraction of its costs. And the Mandarin Oriental is unique in that the lobby is on the 34th floor. And the lobby overlooks Central Park. So you have to take an elevator up from the ground level to the 34th floor, to then get on another elevator to go to your room. Well, one night, I was coming home at about 1030 at night. I took the elevator from the lobby from the ground floor to the lobby. And as I was coming out of the elevator, I saw my best friend from from, from when I was 15. walking in with three girls around him into the elevator. And I looked at him I said, Neil, and he turned in so fuku said my name. I said I did. He said How the hell do you know my name? And I said, Really? You don't even remember me? He said, I have no idea who you are. Who are you? I said I'm Danny, I was your best friend when you were 15 years old. He said, Oh my god, Danny, I didn't even recognize you. I said obviously. He said come to the club with us. Where are you going to come we're going out to the club, we're going to have a great time we're going to drink and we're going to smoke dope, and we're going to dance and we're going to do stuff and I have these three girls with me. You know, and we'll get more and we'll just have fun together. I said, Not me, but it's okay. How about if we have breakfast together tomorrow? He said, No, no, I'm not going to pass up on this opportunity. So gross. If you want to go to the club, go to the club, you have my card, you can you can use all my you can use my money to buy yourself whatever you need. I'm going to spend time with I'm going to spend time with my friend here. He said, Do you drink scotch and smoke cigars? I said I normally don't. But I will with you tonight. He said I've got a great bottle of scotch up in my room, I'm going to bring it down. I've got two great cigars that sit in the lobby and just spent time together, catching up on 30 years. We sat from 1030 at night to 430 in the morning. And as we were getting ready to go call the night, so to speak. He looked at me and he said you know I hated you. I've been so mad at you for all these years. I didn't understand why you would do something so stupid as to go find yourself like what the hell is go finding yourself. We had a chance to change the world together. And when you didn't take that with me, I lost all my hope and being able to do it because I needed you to do it with me. But I look at you now. And as stupid as you were. I see you have the one thing that I want that I can't have. I have more money than God. I have. But my I have no I've been divorced three times. I'm cheating on my wife now with the three girls you saw me in the elevator with. And that's only in New York, I have three more and every other city like my kids, don't talk to me. I'm an alcoholic. I'm addicted to drugs. And I look at you and I see you have this peace and this contentment that I would give anything for this moment in my life. And I said Neil, that's easy. Like, let's just say you're my Premier, my friend, no matter what you did to me, you still I remember you as my best friend when I was 15 years old. It's not gonna cost you anything we'll just as friends are, let's just hang out together and do stuff together. And, and I'll help you to find that because it's not so hard to find. It's much harder to do what you've done and to find Europeans and to find yourself yourself. You are yourself. You can't not you can't not know yourself.He said as soon as I get home, I'm going to call you. That was 15 years ago, I never heard from him or heard from him since he IAri Gronich 1:09:25 knew that was coming.Daniel Bruce Levin 1:09:28 Yeah. And so I believe that people inside themselves really want to know themselves. But I believe they're scared to death to leave all the things that they think they have, because they don't think they can have. But knowing yourself doesn't mean you have to lose anything. Now what I say is it's just a change of perspective. You know,Ari Gronich 1:09:52 I'm a I'm a big fan of mirror work. I talk about it a lot on on the show. I'm just in, in my life in general, you know, I tell people I wouldn't recommend or wish my life on anyone, not that my life was so bad for for others, because I believe that we all are given what we can handle, and we're not given what other people can handle. So I may not have been able to handle having a silver spoon in my, you know, hand as much as I would have loved in theory to be born with that silver spoon. So, or, you know, in Trump's case, a gold, you know, gold plated spoon. But the thing is that, for me, mirror work is all about unraveling the mask. unraveling the things that we put on top of ourselves, I get to look in the mirror and uncover that. Right. So I find myself not by creating some new version of me or, or, or shifting or changing or, you know those things, and this is my philosophy. But by uncovering the real me and taking away the mask of trauma, the mask of experience the masks that I put on, right.Daniel Bruce Levin 1:11:36 So your man or the first person? Go ahead, I'm sorry,Ari Gronich 1:11:39 I'll let you complete I was just gonna ask you what masks Have you taken off and put on. I have masks allUnknown Speaker 1:11:51 male.Daniel Bruce Levin 1:11:56 It's almost easier to ask what masks have remained. And what masks have I take don
Hi, I am here with Daniel bruce Levin. He walked away from a huge opportunity (to work his way up from pushing a broom to running a billion dollar business), to hitchhike around the world to find happiness and inner peace. His life has been dedicated to finding the peace and contentment that comes from truly knowing yourself. His mission has become holding the space for others to find that peace too.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY DANIEL FOR MORE INFO.http://danielbrucelevin.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Daniel Bruce Levin 0:00 There, we I did some work I branded a coaching company is one of the things that I did. And they had a beautiful assessment that they did with people. And they looked at the seven different ways that people show up in the world. And they flew up person is really determines how they show up in the world. And they can either show up as a victim as a confrontational person, as someone who rationalizes everything, as someone who who wants to please other people and will do everything they can for other people. They can show up in a win win situation where everybody wins. They can show up in a place where there is nobody to win with. There's only one, we're all together, we're all united, or they can show up in the place where none of this is real at all. It all just as an illusion.
Hi, I am here with Sunil Godse, His Intuition helped him grow 6 ventures in his earlier entrepreneurial career to close to $20 million. Intuitive branding and business savvy had him completely transform a number of smaller ventures, taking them from 6 to 7 figures within a short period of time.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY SUNIL GODSE FOR MORE INFO.https://www.sunilgodse.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:07 Welcome back to create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. And today I have with me Sunil godse. He is an intuition ologists. And I am not going to tell you exactly what that is, I'm going to let him do it. But let's just say that by using his intuition, he has had the success of making over $20 million, taking companies from 500,000 to three and a half million, doing all kinds of things on establishing relationships. And he's helped over 50,000 people change the way that they make decisions by helping them sharpen their intuition. Now, I have my own motivations for wanting to talk to Sunil. But I'm gonna let him tell you a little bit about intuition ology.Sunil Godse 1:01 Fantastic, well, thanks for having me on, I'm really excited to, to educate your listeners a bit on on how to sharpen their intuition. And to give you a bit of a background as to kind of highlight I started, you know, down the road of figuring out, you know, why intuition was so important was I wrote a book called fail fast, succeed faster. And the whole premise behind the book was, if you if you had looked at the the failures of others, the hurdles that others had gone through in their businesses, or their ventures, then if you don't repeat them, then you should be you should be able to succeed. And so what I, when I wrote the book and started going on stages, one of the questions I used to get was, well, what's the one thing that entrepreneurs can do that can make them successful? So it's like this magic pill. And at that time, you know, when I used to get asked, I used to roll my eyes saying, well, there's a whole reason why I interviewed 300 people with 75 stories in the book. And so at that point, it was just like, the entrepreneurship is complicated it is. But the one thing that came down to being common, when I went back to listen to some of the video, the the taped interviews I had, was that 80 to 90% of them use some form of I ignored my intuition. I didn't trust my gut, I knew I shouldn't have this was the language around this thing called intuition. And it really got me to understand, Wow, that's really interesting that people are ignoring their intuition, and it's now leading them to failures. Why do they do and why did I ignore my intuition?Ari Gronich 2:27 What the difference between intuition and reading your environment is,Sunil Godse 2:32 so it's all part of the same thing. So let's and now you're touching upon the four types of intuition. So let's, let's dive into that. So the first, first of the four, and this is not in by no means in any particular order, because they all work the same time, the biggest one that people don't think about is that intuition does rely on your past learning experience. So when you're born, all these, this learning and experience gets put into the subconscious area of your brain that's relevant to you. And so if you look at the brain, like a sub like an iceberg, the 10% above water is your conscious, the 90% is below water, which is just subconscious. So that's the first thing. You're talking about the situation that you're in. So that's the second part. It's called situational intuition. It looks at the environment you're in and says, is everything safe? Is everything where it needs to be? There's something wrong, and if there's something wrong, you'll focus on it, right? And you'll focus on what's wrong. It's something out of place. Are you getting this feeling that there's danger coming?Ari Gronich 3:31 Yeah, it seems like, it's kind of like learning your lesson, right? So the harder it takes the louder you have to have somebody scream at you in order to learn your lesson. You know, the harder that, that intuition, or that lesson will knock on your door, so to speak. So absolutely. No, like, I'll give you an example. Just from my childhood. I was seven years old, my parents got into business with somebody and my brother and I both said, No, I was I was seven. You know, I'm not old enough to have a thought at this point. You know, because kids are meant to be seen and not heard. At least back in probably our day. Yeah, a little bit more. But so my brother and I actually said this person, you know, something is off. We didn't know what obviously we didn't even know how to explain it. But something was off. And two years later, the guy ended up literally shutting the doors to the building that my parents had their offices in stealing, I think a quarter million dollars worth of stuff. We had to sell the house. My dad builds I mean, we basically were left with nothing. Yeah. And so two years later, when we're left with nothing and I'm I started studying Buddhism I was nine I'm started studying Buddhism, Eastern shown in Buddhism that The nominal hoarding a kill style. And and I start learning about karma. And I start learning about intuition and things like that. And I go, Hey, my intuition has been shut down. You know, how do we, and I'm gonna just segue a little bit, but how do we stop ourselves, parents, etc, from shutting down the intuition of kids so that they don't turn that into a habit of shutting down their intuition as adults.Sunil Godse 5:39 So everything starts with you. And so you have to be the one to first of all, be in touch with your intuition and recognize that these these intuitive signals, recognize that some of us have gone down societal norms, and it didn't turn out, recognize that the people around us may not be the best that that are there. And so when there's a seven step process that I go through, that takes you from basically taking a problem and solving it using your intuition. And two of them are really kind of cleaning up the people around you, and cleaning up the environment you're in, I mean, those are two of the things. So you really have to take a hard look at who are those that around you that are, you know, giving you feedback, and it doesn't mean you have to take a hard, hard lesson and cut everybody out, there's gonna be levels of people that you want in the inner circle and the outer circle, just to keep it very simple.Ari Gronich 6:28 What's the difference? If hindsight is 2020? What is foresight?Sunil Godse 6:34 So you have to be careful with foresight. So people kind of get into manifestation and things like that. So that is something that can happen it now It all depends on how, how open you are to intuition and the power of it. And like some people want to really hang on the research. And the research is simply not there yet, if you're open to saying the intuition, and your brain is a lot more powerful than we think that we can measure. So there's been a lot of instances in the people I've interviewed where they've manifested something or they, they believe that something can happen. And they and that happens. And the process to do this is is like this, from my from my perspective, you can have a goal that you want, make sure that's good, that goal is realistic. And so like, you know, you don't want to hang your hat on it, I'm going to make a million dollars, because that's an extrinsic goal, what's the intrinsic goal, what what is really your purpose. And when you have your purpose, and you want to affect people at a certain level, the laggard indicator, so to speak, could be the million dollars. So that's okay. But it's really driven by purpose, which is a future goal. What intuition helps you do is it helps you take the steps in the present moment, based on your signals that are going to help you connect with the right people, open the right doors of opportunity, take the right decisions, or whatever situation that you're in, so that you meet your your purpose, which is really driven by a passion, it has to be your passion, it has to be internal. And when the purpose is to affect is, in my case, it's affect as many people as I want. In a nice case, it's it's help as many people with disabilities and illnesses as they can, in my other daughters case, Divya, it's, you know, simply having a happy life. Right. So there's different purposes that we all have. And so that passion has to match with purpose. And when you trust your intuition in the moment and take those steps, in the moment guided by your intuitive signals, you start reaching those goals.Ari Gronich 8:33 Let's take, let's say where we're we're working on people's, you know, level of intuition when it comes to things like politics, when it comes to things like what it is in the world that should be being done, and what's not being done. So like we have politicians that probably have a lot of intuition that they ignore, because of whatever interests, we have a lot of people who would be activists, this show is a lot about how to activate that vision for a better world. And a lot of people who are passionate about something, don't necessarily have the action that goes along with it, they might have the intuition to do that action, but the fear stops them. So let's just kind of get into that a little bit. I want to get really dirty with it. You know, like, let's get into the weeds a little bit more.Sunil Godse 9:42 Yep. So there's four intuitive hurdles that really squash your ability to listen to the to your intuitive signals, and they scramble it and you talked about one which is fear, and there's actually three branches of fear. There's the fear of failure. There's the fear of the unknown, and there's the fear of change. So what happens is you have this intuitive signal. And it's different from the fear of, you know, being eaten by a saber toothed tiger. Right. So if you got that, that's coming, that's one fear. But these are where the signals are very important in coming up. So if you fear taking that first step, if you already know what your basket of positive and negative signals are, by looking at the past, and you look at the good decisions you made, and you looked at the bad decisions you've made, and you've really broken them down, you've now got a really nice inventory of signals. And so if you fear taking that step, you sit in the moment you think about what is my intuition telling me, and, you know, obviously, you know, I mean, you can talk about it, or you can just sit and think about it, right? If that signal is positive, then you take that step, right, because and then the next step and the next step, and pretty soon you start breaking that that fear down, because you get that confidence. And if it's not the right one, and you go down the wrong path, then you haven't done a very good job of checking in your negative signals, because maybe there's a signal that you haven't brought up as a negative signal, or you're not paying too much attention to the negative signal, because it's really subtle. And it would, because it was subtle, you ignored it the first time. So this is where you really need to take the time to figure out what your signals are. So fear is one of them. The second intuitive hurdle is it's called ego. And there's two types of ego, the one egos narcissism where you're talking without any experience, and of course, your intuition saying your blessing. The other side of ego is following the herd. So societal norms is when we follow the mantra follow the herd, even though it goes against your values, even though that's not what you didn't want to do. Me going into engineering is not what I wanted to do, I want to be an entrepreneur. And so I followed the herd and I wasted three years of my life in engineering, and it could have been three years I could have spent chasing an entrepreneurial dream.Unknown Speaker 11:51 Awesome,Ari Gronich 11:52 thank you so much for for being here for, you know, exploring all of this madness, and an intuition. I mean, you know, I know that I tend to take people on, on awkward journeys through information nonlinearly and, and ask questions that I think most interviewers, you know, don't really ask as often. But I like to get down deep and dirty, you know, I really want what I want for this show for, for people in general is for them to be able to take these, these episodes, and act upon the things that are in them so that they can change the world. That's my purpose. And, and I'm, I'm blessed, you know, to be able to interview people like you that have unusual, you know, jobs, unusual ways of going about what you're doing, and have so much success that you can easily explain and, and entertain at the same time. And so, I think that people are really getting a lot out of this. My last question to you is really about the nature of people, and how the nature of people changes the ability to use their intuition. And what I mean by that is, people tend human beings tend to have faith based on fear. So if you ever listen to anybody who's who asks, If you believe it's, are you fearful of God, if you want to be successful, you have to be, you know, fearful of God, not in love with God, not, you know, like, enamored by the information in the word, right, but fearful of the consequences versus, you know, looking towards the benefits. So we have this, this dichotomy as people. And so the question becomes faith versus intuition, right. And the nature of people, how do we develop? And this is it's a, it's a hard question you may not have, but how do we develop the intuition that goes along with the compassion that goes along with the wish to do no harm, to have peace, to create a world for everybody that is successful and happy, you know, I get that we need the contrast right? But we've contrasted so far over to one side, that, you know, I want to I want to do everything I can to bring it back to that side of love and peace. You know, even if it's a pipe dream, soSunil Godse 15:15 how do you Yeah, and the way I can answer this is just sort of, through my lens, so to speak. And so the way I because I get bombarded with a lot of these messages, and we can, we can just really extrapolate that to a lot of the messages that get that, but ultimately, what it what are you affected by, right. And so when I get these messages of fear, or fear based things, or people giving advice or circumstances that are happening, I'm in the driver's seat. So I control the ability to react to that in whatever way I want. And so it's like a shield like a, you know, I've got one of these shields, and you come in, and it just bounces off interesting, you've got my attention, or you might not have, but ultimately, the things that drive me are the ones that are going to really, again, it just I get that pull that I know this is the right thing. And I'll give you a very, very good example. Because it just happened a couple of weeks ago, I was watching this really great video from Prince EA. And really, it was really inspirational. And the messaging was really good. And I just happen to go through and it gets tons of comments. But what I noticed that that comments was, there was some of them saying, I need to talk to someone. And so my intuition drew me to say, Listen, you need to reach out to this guy. It was just one of, I don't know, 3000 comments that were there. But somehow I focused on that one. And I reached out and I said, Hey, listen, DM me, and here's my number, give me a call. Now, it could be a salesperson, or you know, you don't know. But there was a guy that was four months behind in his payments, child support payments, he tried every single job he can. And he was at wit's end. And he was about to really he led his life got he really was at that stage. And he was it was just the depths of despair. And so within half an hour, we had this talk about Okay, what are you passionate about? This is a 20 year 20 year veteran of welding, working gas stations, retail outlets. And it turns out very quickly, he has a passion for fishing. He somehow wants to dabble in digital marketing, and he wants to be something for his daughter. And he's got a phone and like, oh, bingo, well, there are some dots that connect. Okay, so he and he himself says, Now there's a lot of people doing fishing wrong. And I mean, the story is just right there. I mean, just connect the dots, you got digital media, you got fishing videos, you can do what people are doing wrong, you can make money by using affiliate on selling lures, or fishing tackle, and I'm not in the fishing space. So I'm just riffing based on what I think is there. And so you need to create content, that people are not only going to be interested in saying, you know, you can catch a bigger fish in this area. But you can catch a bigger fish in this area. And I tested these two lures, you need the orange one, and by the way, it's 1999. And then you become an affiliate member, right? Or you do a membership on you know, if you have that confidence, but it has to be believable. And I told him intuition is a two way street. If your blessing, you know, people may see it's, it's really good, or you're not giving enough information where you're actually selling something genuinely, and because you believe it, then you're gonna get people saying, Yeah, that's great tip. See you later, right. So within 30 minutes, we had mapped out a plan. And the excitement in this guy's voice was amazing. And I told him, I'm going to be checking up on you in about a month or two to make sure that you actually follow through on what we just discussed. Right? So here was something the story doesn't necessarily have to be that cathartic. The issue is something pulled me there. something out of that that moment of time that I gave gave gave me the focus there. I'm there's other videos that say, Yeah, well, that's a great message, I don't believe you, I'm gone. And it's it's that ability to really be in the moment, allow things through this filter into the filter, so to speak, that's actually going to help you move your life forward, that's actually going to take those steps that you know, need to be taken forward. And believing that the information you get the people you trust, the situations you put yourself in, move you that that way forward. And it happens in a split second. So that's why it's so important to know what those intuitive signals are that move you that way. Remember that for me it was that pulling whatever happened after that pulling was meant to happen, because I trust my intuition to do that. And thankfully, this affected this, this this man, but these are laggard indicators that we look at the money, the happiness, the changing of people, in your case, athletes, affecting people. Those are laggard indicators that happen when we use leading indicators, like actually just taking action and taking the steps. So we should never focus on the lagging indicators. We focus on taking the steps and every single step you take. Remember that guy who has cerebral palsy, you just don't know realize how far you've come until you look back later. But look back later. Right.Ari Gronich 19:55 Well, thank you so much. How can people get ahold of you?Sunil Godse 20:00 Intuition knowledge.com is there my email address is Sunil at sunil godse com. I'm an all the socials LinkedIn, Twitter Facebook Instagram I'm making a move on tik tok so trying that instance I'm not doing any crazy dances but I will be well I did with my daughters because they wanted me to do one but I gotta be careful but not gonnaAri Gronich 20:18 weapon and naini No, ISunil Godse 20:22 think that would be where my shake that's where people go my followers will go down for sure.Ari Gronich 20:29 Oh come on. You can harlem shake it? Wait, I must be old that was that was many years ago the Harlem Shake. What's the newest one? flash mob No, we're not doing flash.Sunil Godse 20:41 I did try my my thing I breakdancing way back when so you know I had the cardboard and a helmet and I had a buddy of mine andAri Gronich 20:48 you have the cardboard and helmet Did you have the parachute pants? I had the parachute pantsSunil Godse 20:52 you know I couldn't at that time couldn't afford it. But you know as much as you know I think we just want to in the basement first if we if we could do the worm we did and luckily I had my helmet because that worm got me into a wall and this mermaid turning into a butterfly soon that's for sure.Ari Gronich 21:18 Stop hammertimeSunil Godse 21:22 But yeah, so any of the socials email me DM me I'm happy to answer any questions and yeah, take the seven day challenge I mean it's free and and find out how intuition is solve your problem and now you've got a template for life so you have a go at her.Ari Gronich 21:34 Absolutely. Well thank you so much for for being here Sunil remember you can always find us at create a new tomorrow.com or achieve health usa.com remember to check out the book a new tomorrow.com. It's on Amazon as well as on the website. So you can take a look at that and like subscribe rate review, comment below. Let's have a discussion. Let's talk about this. Let's figure out stuff that will help us all move forward together. Thank you so much to Sunil. This has been another great episode with our Ari Gronich and Sunil godse. Let's experience creating a new tomorrow today and activating our vision for a better world. Have a great great rest of your day.
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And I am not going to tell you exactly what that is, I'm going to let him do it. But let's just say that by using his intuition, he has had the success of making over $20 million, taking companies from 500,000 to three and a half million, doing all kinds of things on establishing relationships. And he's helped over 50,000 people change the way that they make decisions by helping them sharpen their intuition. Now I have my own motivations for wanting to talk to Neil but I'm gonna let him tell you a little bit about intuition ology.Sunil Godse 1:09 Fantastic, well, thanks for having me on, I'm really excited to, to educate your listeners a bit on on how to sharpen their intuition. And to give you a bit of a background as to kind of highlight I started, you know, down the road of figuring out, you know, why intuition was so important was I wrote a book called fail fast, succeed faster. And the whole premise behind the book was, if you if you had looked at the the failures of others, the hurdles that others had gone through in their businesses, or their ventures, then if you don't repeat them, that you should be, you should be able to succeed. And so what I, when I wrote the book and started going on stages, one of the questions I used to get was, well, what's the one thing that entrepreneurs can do that can make them successful? So it's like this magic pill. And at that time, you know, when I used to get asked, I used to roll my eyes saying, well, there's a whole reason why I interviewed 300 people was 75 stories in the book. And so at that point, it was just like, the entrepreneurship is complicated it is. But the one thing that came down to being common, when I went back to listen to some of the video, the the taped interviews I had, was that 80 to 90% of them use some form of I ignored my intuition. I didn't trust my gut, I knew I shouldn't have this was the language around this thing called intuition. And it really got me to understand, Wow, that's really interesting, that people are ignoring their intuition, and is now leading them to failures. Why do they do and why did I ignore my intuition? And so when I immediately thought about when I ignored my intuition, there were three things that came up right away. The first was a career that I got into I got into engineering being South Asian, it's it's either doctor, lawyer, engineer, or door number four is failure for anybody South Asian, especially, you know, firstborn son or a son. So I ended up going to door number three, and became the engineer and just absolutely hated it. And I spent three years there. And to, to in the second year of that three year stint, I ended up becoming an investor with a Mexican restaurant, a Mexican Mexican restaurant was a senior fries brought the chain up to Canada with the first time ever, and we bought the rights to the name and I became an investor and I was making five times more in dividends. And I was full time as a, as a civil engineer. And so in the third year, I just said, I'm leaving right now. Entrepreneurship is really, really speaking to me, from an intuitive perspective, I lost my relationship with my dad. But that was a sacrifice I needed. That's why I kind of fell into these societal norms, so to speak. And then that's that went into wholesale clothing, retail clothing, pop up events, entertainment company. And that's where the $20 million in ventures or as investor came in, before I started consulting other people. The second time was I remember, there was a management consulting contract, a big one in Silicon Valley. And it was a big, it was a big it name. And I'm thinking, wow, this is what an opportunity. But the contract terms kept changing. And my intuition at that time was saying, you better back off, like Something's fishy here. But the money was so good. And I was so emotionally invested in going that I spent every single penny going down there. And the company didn't pay me. And I came back with 25 cents in my bank account back to Canada. And and at that time, I was there was two years. I was about to be married. I'd met my wife three years earlier, and the money is just gone. And I have nothing. So perhaps the most devastating one was I had a friend of mine who was being stalked, and she needed some advice, and I was doing some coaching at the time. And so she said, Sunil Can we meet right away too. I need I need you to give me some advice on what's going on. And so I had nothing that afternoon. Yet my and my intuition saying like meet whether this is urgent, yet something like I just I just ignored that. That's something and I said, Well, let's meet a couple of days later. And the very next day, that same stalker walked up to her at a bus shelter. shot and killed her. And she ended up dying the very next day. So when I looked at those times when I ignored this something, I kept thinking like, why, like, why did they do that? And then I started thinking, you know what I mean, intuitions spoken to me, before I had this voice had this feeling I got all these different things happening. Why do we ignore intuition? And that got me really taking a deep dive into understanding what intuition is? Is there science behind it? And sure enough, there were MRIs. When I looked at the academic literature and showing what we're born with intuition. There was studies saying that infants, as young as two months old had intuitive capabilities. You had experiences, there were four types of intuition and that we have these things called into signals. And these signals are very unique to you and I. So we have four types of intuition. And we can dive into that if you want a little bit later. And they come in two splits.Ari Gronich 5:52 Yeah, I want to I want to interrupt you for a second, I want to know whether what the difference between intuition and reading your environment is.Sunil Godse 6:04 So it's all part of the same thing. So let's and now you're touching upon the four types of intuition. So let's, let's dive into that. So the first, first of the four, and this is not in by no means in any particular order, because they all work the same time, the biggest one that people don't think about is that intuition does rely on your past learning experience. So when you're born, all these, this learning and experience gets put into the subconscious area of your brain that's relevant to you. And so if you look at the brain, like a sub like an iceberg, the 10% above water is your conscious, the 90% is below water, which is your subconscious. So that's the first thing. You're talking about the situation that you're in. So that's the second part, it's called situational intuition. It looks at the environment you're in and says, is everything safe is everything where it needs to be, there's something wrong, and if there's something wrong, you're you'll focus on it, right? And you'll focus on what's wrong, it's something out of place, are you getting this feeling that there's danger coming? So people I've even had, you know, people who are, you know, blind, and they've got their service dog, and they're walking down this alley, they've gone and all of a sudden the service dog stops, there's something wrong that's going down that alley. And and so about other people just gone down this alley, and then again, it nighttime and they just sense there's something in their environment that's off. And they walk the other way. And sure enough, later on, they see a couple of individuals that come around the side that are a little bit suspicious, start following her. So that's that situational intuition. The third of the form is called relational intuition. And so this is where you're looking at the person or persons in that environment, can they be trusted? What's their body language looking like? Are they actions matching the word so what's the facial twitches is deceptive. You know, so and it's consistently watching. So that you're continually analyzing forever, like somebody can can rope you in and and you know, two days later or a week later, start doing things that are deceptive, right. So your intuition is always watching when it comes to relational intuition. And then the fourth one is creative intuition. That's the ultimate decision that you make. So all these four come together in a split second to tell you whether you're making the right decision or making the wrong decision. And this is where the intuitive signals are very, very important. Because when you make the right decision, you get an inventory of positive signals. And typically, for people that's like the doctor connecting, it feels right, there's a pull, these are common after interviewing over 1000 people, these are sort of three of the common ones that people think about. The common ones, the negative ones is sort of that gut feeling. In some cases, it's a voice where and voice could be positive or negative, depending on the tone of the voice or what you feel that voice is saying. And then there's a couple of really odd ones. Like there's one which is an orb, somebody sees an orb an omen. And in one case, we had there was an entrepreneur that you when I was interviewing him, he was just saying, Yeah, you know, I don't know about these signals, you know, but every time he talked about his failures, the ventures that he went into for the wrong reasons, he kept touching his left ear lobe. And pretty soon it clicked, like, Oh, my God, like there's a signal. And now he remembers every time he got into that venture, thinking about it, he be grabbing his left ear lobe. And that was his intuitive signal to say you're making the wrong decision. So when you have sort of, he understands, and this is how complex intuition is, which had to find out is because we don't understand what these four are, we ignore a number of signals. And even if we get that gut feeling, or we get that voice, how do you know that's the first signal? If that's signal number three, that just means that you made two bad decisions, so that those two bad decisions could be a stubbed toe, or those two bad decisions could lead you to bankruptcy.Ari Gronich 9:50 Yeah, it seems like it's kind of like learning your lesson, right? So the harder it takes, the louder you have to have somebody scream at you in order to learn Your lesson? You know, the harder that that intuition, or that lesson will knock on your door so to speak. So, absolutely no, like, I'll give you an example, just from my childhood. I was seven years old, my parents got into business with somebody and my brother and I both said, No, I was I was seven, you know, I'm not old enough to have a thought at this point, you know, because kids are meant to be seen and not heard. At least back in probably our day. Yeah, a little bit more. But so my brother and I actually said, this person, you know, something is off. We didn't know what obviously, we didn't even know how to explain it. But something was off. And two years later, the guy ended up literally shutting the doors to the building that my parents had their offices in stealing, I think, a quarter million dollars worth of stuff, we had to sell the house, my dad builds, I mean, we basically were left with nothing. Yeah. And so two years later, when we're left with nothing, and I'm I started studying Buddhism, I was nine, I'm started studying Buddhism, nature and shown in Buddhism, that's the nominal ordering a kill. style. And, and I start learning about karma. And I start learning about intuition and things like that. And I go, Hey, my intuition has been shut down. You know, how do we, and I'm gonna just segue a little bit, but how do we stop ourselves, parents, etc, from shutting down the intuition of kids so that they don't turn that into a habit of shutting down their intuition as adults.Sunil Godse 11:58 So everything starts with you. And so you have to be the one to first of all, be in touch with your intuition and recognize that these, these intuitive signals, recognize that some of us have gone down societal norms, and it didn't turn out, recognize that the people around us may not be the best, that that are there. And so when there's a seven step process that I go through, that takes you from basically taking a problem and solving it using your intuition. And two of them are really kind of cleaning up the people around you, and cleaning up the environment you're in, I mean, those are two of the things. So you really have to take a hard look at who are those that are around you that are, you know, giving you feedback, and it doesn't mean you have to take a hard, hard lesson and cut everybody out, there's gonna be levels of people that you want into inner circle and the outer circle, just to keep it very simple. The inner circle ones are the ones that are really going to be there for you through thick and thin through the ups and downs. And they're, they're genuinely there to move your life forward. They're not Yes, people, there are people that you know, you'll get an honest opinion from. So when you surround yourself with with those type of people and learn about these things about signals and create your environment that's positive, then you can do the same for everyone else. Because it doesn't make sense. And you're giving, you know, advice to someone, when you yourself are following societal norms. I mean, I have a friend like that, right? They know exactly about me and intuition, and how I have that with my two kids. And I talk about it all the time at home, and they roll their eyes. But you know, these other people recognize it. And they're really good friends of ours, and we talk about it how important it is, yet, they're advising their kids of a societal norm, you have to go into medicine, you have to do this. Right. And so that's the economy, right? So on the one hand, they're talking about it from a conceptual perspective. On the other hand, from a practical perspective, they're doing something completely different now, enter their kids who are in the environment, because we're talking about this. And yes, you know, some of the kids that come over, we talk about intuition or something like that, or decisions you have to make, and they get my aspect of you know, that it feels right chasing your dreams, what's your passion, that kind of language, then they go home, and they hear something totally, no, no, you're, I mean, what is that nonsense? You know, yet, we're talking about it. And so now you've left that that child confused. So you really have to really understand it for yourself. And it's tough. It's really tough, you're gonna get a lot of backlash. Right? And, and, you know, I entered discussions with some people. And yeah, I mean, I get backlash because of my opinions, but I really don't care. Right? Because my intuition my intuitive path is for me, and if you look at my two kids, and the impact that they've had, and you know, my wife kind of is sort of a traditionalist and all that stuff. And so we kind of go back and forth as well. But I'm pretty staunch like you know, you don't have to do things because other people expect you to do it. You don't have to follow societal norms. And if you really want to go into say medicine, or if you really want to go into to, you know, become an artist, if you really want to do dentistry, whatever it is, you make sure you want to do it because you love it. Your Passion about it. And I want to hear the language that is telling me that not just because you're saying it because x y Zed or somebody driving a new car, you know, and you're, you know, Justin recolor was talking about, I was just listening As for his podcast episode he was talking about, and this, this was the one you just released the full interview I was listening to, and he was talking about, we're so hung up on money and house cars, and extremities, external motivations, that we should be looking inside. And one of the things that I tell people is that the cost to you in making the wrong decision is actually double the cost. And here's why. The cost is if you make a bad decision, it's not only the time, effort, and in some cases, money lost on making that bad decision. But in that same instance, you can actually gain time gain money, gain effort by making the right decision. So it's actually two times the cost in terms of making a bad decision. So when it comes to kids, with my two girls, so my eight year old, in both cases, they've been able to move away from bullying incidents that they've seen the behavior they don't like. And I was actually really surprised that my oldest one was pretty like her line was drawn in the sand is she was saying, I don't like that behavior whatsoever. And I was telling her, Well, you should give that friend a second chance. You know, just because she was pretty hard. And that shocked me. Like, wow, and she's like this, I think she was eight at the time. And so you should, you know, just see, give her a second chance, because they were friends for a long time. And then sure enough, she's she's an acid, the choice is up to you. And she agreed at one point. And her friend ended up coming over and giving lollipops and a big poster of when they spent time together. And I said, Well, you know, I mean, she took the time to do that. So she clearly cares. And sure enough, that behavior came back. And so she said, I'm done. And I said, excellent. You got your you got your answer. So I should have had her trust her intuition. But my now she's 14, she's now running actually a nonprofit business by herself, where she, she actually paints and you can see her paintings behind. Those are her art. And so she sells those to raise money for distributes and illnesses. She's raised over 20 grand in about a year and a half. She has her own podcast series. She does all the backend stuff, she doesn't want my team to work on it. She wants to put the podcast together, she's getting the guests, she's sending the emails. And it's all intuitively based, like easy to see the passion in it. Right? You see the purpose, you see the engagement. And you can tell that this is really like she's loving that process. That's what we have to teach our kids. That's what we have to teach ourselves. And that's where that consistency comes. And when you're acting like that. And when your kids act like that, you attract people like that, because you naturally repel others or you keep them at a distance. Because you make that decision. They don't.Ari Gronich 17:47 So just because you mentioned Justin, Justin's daughter, Niva Lee recolor has the podcast superpower kids. Wow. And she teaches she she's a an author, best selling author, she's been on stage in for ink magazine, she's been rated as one of the most influential kids in America on entrepreneurship. You might want to have your daughter, check her show out and, and even possibly be on it. And I know that they enjoy that. And neiva and my seven year old are like brother and sister. I mean, they just they've known each other pretty much since he was a few months old. And when they met, they were like, just they couldn't stop having each other having enough of each other. So it was it was a beautiful thing. But yeah, naevus Niva is amazing. And yeah, and we sat down your daughter's doing that, that would be awesome. And yeah, I highly recommend that. That being said, What's the difference? If hindsight is 2020? What is foresight?Sunil Godse 19:02 So you have to be careful with foresight. So people kind of get into manifestation and things like that. So that is something that can happen it now It all depends on how, how open you are to intuition, and the power of it. And so like some people want to really hang on to research. And the research is simply not there yet, if you're open to saying the intuition, and your brain is a lot more powerful than we think that we can measure. So there's been a lot of instances in the people I've interviewed where they've manifested something or they, they believe that something can happen. And they and that happens. And the process to do this is is like this, from my from my perspective, you can have a goal that you want, make sure that's good, that goal is realistic. And so like you know, you don't want to hang your hat on it, I'm gonna make a million dollars, because that's an extrinsic goal. What's the intrinsic goal what what is really your purpose and when you have your purpose Number one effect people at a certain level, the laggard indicator, so to speak, could be the million dollars. So that's okay. But it's really driven by purpose, which is a future goal. What intuition helps you do is it helps you take the steps in the present moment, based on your signals that are going to help you connect with the right people, open the right doors of opportunity, take the right decisions in whatever situation that you're in. So that you meet your your purpose, which is really driven by a passion, it has to be your passion, it has to be internal. And when the purpose is to affect is, in my case, it's affect as many people as I want. In a nice case, it's it's help as many people with disabilities and illnesses as they can, in my other daughter's case, Divya, it's, you know, simply having a happy life. Right. So there's different purposes that we all have. And so that passion has to match with purpose. And when you trust your intuition in the moment and take those steps, in the moment guided by your intuitive signals, you start reaching those goals. And the best example I can give with this is, at least the one that I what I had was there was a there's a fellow that has cerebral palsy, and I went down to Toronto to invite him to interview him on leadership, because he's pretty high up in one of the banks. And what he was saying is he got a chance to go on the beach, of course, you know, he's always been in a wheelchair. And you know, he got down to the beach. And people lifted him up, because he wanted to put his feet in the water for this for the first time. And he got up and he fell flat on his face in the water. And he was embarrassed, he looked back. And he said, but like there's that intuitive moment that says I'm done. Versus No, I'm going to take the next steps. Because just because I make mistakes, I'm gonna learn from those mistakes. But it's the actions that matter. And they took one more step, one more step, and he kept going forward. And when he looked back, he couldn't believe how far he had come with this dream of just actually being in the water. And he was pointing his water was up to his chin. So he didn't look back. And so that's where the foresight came in. Right? Because he actually took that step. And he took the next step, and he took the next step. And he reached where he would need to reach. And that's we look back, people sit there dreaming of things like that, and actually making, you know, taking the time, they don't take the action, they don't take the steps, they don't trust their intuition to do that. And there's some statistics actually gathered from Gallup and Harvard, and you look at people actually raising their hand, saying, I want to make a change. There's a roomful of 25,000 people that are actually saying, Yes, I'm going to join that course, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that, I'm going to take this I'm gonna, I'm gonna change my life. In that room for the 25,000, the actual number of people that do it, statistically, is one. So that means 24,400 999. People say they're gonna do it, but they don't. So the question is, why aren't you that one?Ari Gronich 22:57 Right? So let me kind of take this in a interesting angle. But let's take let's say we're, we're, we're working on people's, you know, level of intuition when it comes to things like politics, when it comes to things like, what it is in the world, that should be being done, and what's not being done. So like, we have politicians that probably have a lot of intuition that they ignore, because of whatever interests, we have a lot of people who would be activists, this show is a lot about how to activate that vision for a better world. And a lot of people who are passionate about something, don't necessarily have the action that goes along with it, they might have the intuition to do that action, but the fear stops them. So let's just kind of get into that a little bit. I want to get really dirty with it. You know, like, let's get into the weeds a little bit more.Sunil Godse 24:20 Yep. So there's four intuitive hurdles, that really squash your ability to listen to the, to your intuitive signals, and they scramble it. And you talked about one which is fear. And there's actually three branches of fear. There's the fear of failure, there's the fear of the unknown, and there's the fear of change. And so what happens is, you have this intuitive signal, and it's different from the fear of, you know, being eaten by a saber toothed tiger. Right. So if you got that, that's coming, that's one fear. But these are where the signals are very important in coming up. So if you fear taking that first step, if you already know what your basket of positive and negative signals are by looking at the past, and you look at the good decisions you made, and you Look at the bad decisions you've made, and you've really broken them down, you've now got a really nice inventory of signals. And so if you fear taking that step you sit in the moment you think about what is my intuition telling me, and, you know, obviously, you know, I mean, you can talk about it, or you can just sit and think about it, right? If that signal is positive, then you take that step right before the end, and the next step and the next step. And pretty soon you start breaking that that fear down, because you get that confidence. And if it's not the right one, and you go down the wrong path, then you haven't done a very good job of checking in your negative signals, because maybe there's a signal that you haven't brought up as a negative signal, or you're not paying too much attention to the negative signal, because it's really subtle. And it would, because it was subtle. You ignored it the first time. So this is where you really need to take the time to figure out what your signals are. So fear is one of them. The second intuitive hurdle is it's called ego. And there's two types of ego, the one egos narcissism where you're talking without any experience, and of course, your intuition saying your blessing. The other side of ego is following the herd. So societal norms is when we follow the mantra follow the herd, even though it goes against your values, even though that's not what you didn't want to do. Me going into engineering is not what I wanted to do, I want to be an entrepreneur. And so I followed the herd and I wasted three years of my life in engineering, and it could have been three years I could have spent chasing an entrepreneurial dream. And so that's the second one. The third one which comes up a lot in relationships is being way too emotional. And when you're way too emotional, you upset the balance between rat being emotional and logic. And then you start talking yourself out of you know, leaving a relationship or getting away from this person, or, or things like that. And the fourth one is called being too rational, rational. And so this is where your logic dictates, you know, somebody is being logical to you. Yeah, that kind of makes sense, even though it's, it's pulling you away from what you're really meant to do. And so those are the four hurdles that come up. And what those hurdles do is they take, again, they take that positive, intuitive signal, and they squashes it, if you don't recognize when those hurdles are coming up. And so this is where you start getting to fear and you start getting into or we talked about extrinsic motivation, you know, are politicians wanting to, to be in the limelight or have a party or maybe they're doing it for the money, I really don't know what some of their motivations may be. But then they start being deceptive, right, they're still there. You know, we're want to be with corporations. These are just things I've seen in the media that come out, these aren't necessarily my beliefs, but but this is what happens when you get get into sort of these these practices where you're looking at extrinsic motivators is you're just wasting your time. Because you're, you're moving in a direction that's not really meant for you. And you don't have to be rich, you have it monetarily, you need to be rich inside, you know, I had Steve Sims was on my, my podcast interview. And we talked about extrinsic motivation. And, you know, this is a guy that was surrounded by Robert Redford and elton john, and all these people at this huge thing. And he got the watch and the suit and he, you know, got a Ferrari and all that stuff. And he was just saying, I just wasn't me. Right, who is this? This flake that took me over? And yes, he you know, he he's having you know, a hat. He's got his arms around all these actors are there they intuition is a two way street. So as much as his intuition saying something, the intuition of others is also looking to him. And they're probably saying this guy's a flake. So we're not going to do business with them. And they're not going to tell him that. And he started telling me when we talk about extrinsic motivation, he started telling me about a client of his, that was so rich, he had three jets, and he wanted to get the fourth jet, but he couldn't afford it. So he killed himself.So now, that's an extreme example, of extrinsic motivation. But we can all take these mini extreme examples of things that we hang our hat on square footage house, how is going to look? What brand should I buy? You know, we do it for the wrong motivations. If there's a brand you liked, because it fits nice, it's an you just, you know, that, you know, internally, whether you're doing it for the right reasons, or for the wrong reasons, you know, right. And so a lot of people will default sometimes to looking good. Or, you know, and unfortunately, that's a dopamine hit. Right? It's the wrong one.Ari Gronich 29:29 So we have we have this, this whole society, I've been watching the social dilemma and Silicon Valley and some of these shows, and we've created an entire society that's based on external motivation and external reward versus internal motivation, internal reward. You see, you know, the, the proliferation of the selfie. Yeah, is a perfect example of of this. It's awesome. About how am I looking and filters? I mean, gosh, the filters, it's all about how am I looking to the outside world, even though inside, I'm getting ready to go kill myself or I'm depressed, or I'm whatever, but I'm going to put out this look to the world that says that I'm something I'm not. And, you know, you know, it's funny because my intuition, you know, tells me a lot, I tend to to pay attention more than I don't. Yeah, although, you know, there's definitely that that level of intuition that I could use a deeper recognition of. But, you know, I'll give you an example of, of intuition. I was in the hospital dead for 26 minutes before they brought me back, I'm 18 years old. And three days later, I wake up in the hospital bed, I sit up, and I turned and I looked at, I don't remember who it was, but either my brother, my mom or something. And I said, I think I need to be a healer. Wow. Now, if I had stopped there, my entire life would have completely shifted. And I probably like my family would have gone to a university would have, you know, my brother's a triple major, double minor in four years Master's in one. I mean, you know, my mom's a teacher, education was was important. Instead of going to a college, I went to a massage school, like, but I had to go from the idea in the hospital of, I think I need to be a healer, to I'm sending out letters, I'm doing an action based on my intuition. And then from there, the intuition led me to the next place, the end, you know, the intuition is like, you get into that flow state versus getting, like most people, which is pounding through walls, right, we're obstacle driven versus flow driven. And every time I've done anything against my own intuition, which is often I become, you know, this obstacle Buster versus somebody who's like laying down in the flow. So just kind of talk about that a little bit. Because, you know, I would not have been who I am, I probably would not have been able to work with the kind of athletes and professionals and, you know, people in my world that I've, I've been blessed to have an opportunity to have an effect on. Yeah. But that was all because of that intuition. And then that action that went next to it.Sunil Godse 33:11 Absolutely. And so even as you're describing it, like, I can even just imagine you sitting up and it's actually playing in my head, you turn in your head, and to me, it's turning to the right, so I'm seeing you do this. And I can just imagine the look on the faces of people who just like, what you want to be a healer. And that's when you start to coming to people that don't really understand why or don't want to take the time to figure out why or to support you in that way moving forward. So that's where people normally could get stuck in that scene, or in that situation. When you start trusting intuition being in that flow state. Now you're seeing doors of opportunity open up, and so they're small, but there's these three or four doors that come in, and you open them up. So for you going into massage, I can see a whole bunch of people looking at that story going, What is he doing? Right? And so so many people get succumb to these external pressures, and you know, the voices, where they don't really understand the context around who you are, because every story comes with some kind of a context. Right? You know, and so this is where you just have to, again, that state of flow, you know, where it's going and going at, it feels easy, right? And you just set it so you've There's your positive signal, that state of flow, what happens is if you meet a door, that's not the one that you want to get into, there's an uneasiness to it and your language is already tells me you're pounding through. So just by the nature of your language, you're telling me the nature of that signal already. Right? And so you can feel that signal, right? I can feel it, you can give me whatever words, but in me, I'm feeling that flow. In me I'm feeling that that nx or there's a pushing against me, and and that that's that initial thing that you have to look at and you don't worry about But everybody else, and don't recognize that things are gonna change, right? I mean, you've gone from, you know, almost dying to being a massage therapist, and now, you know, athletes and all these really wonderful people trusting you for advice for their performance. And now you're looking at some high, high level elite people coming to you. Right? Right. So look at the value of that based on the journey you took. So when we talk about looking back, and looking forward, as we talked about earlier, all you did was look forward and you kept going down the path. Now, when you look back, of course, these people are going to trust you, because you followed your intuition to do the right thing. And, you know, nobody, everybody makes mistakes. I still I you know, as much as I talk about intuition, yeah, you know, I get emotional with my family, I get emotional with friends. You know, I'll make some decisions, I'll test something out at even though I knew that I shouldn't have and I did that with a venture that I said, this is not going to work. But let's test it, because I heard some things from some friends that it's a great venture, it ended up being the wrong partner. And it just wasn't but and I sunk a tiny bit of money in to test by intuition. And sure enough, you know, I just my intuition, so, you know, even me talking about it, is are going to go through ups and downs, but there's a lot more ups and the downs, and I don't have to be popular, I'm not looking to change the world. You know, as a whole, I'm just looking to change one person at a time. And that's it. And to me, that's how I'm gonna live my life. Right? I'm not looking to get make it in Forbes, or, you know, men's journal, or whatever it is, if those opportunities come because people are interested to hear my story. That's the intuitive path. But I'm not looking there for egotistical reasons to say, look at who I am, right. And if you get back to social media, right, with these people that, you know, somebody posted this two days ago, where they spent money on an influencer that had 8 million followers, 8 million followers, the number of sales that this person had after spending, I don't know, $50,000 was something like 26. Right. And I've heard that consistent. Somebody had, you know, 10 million followers, they wants to sell shirts, six sales. And it's because when you have that social media, when you're looking at eye candy, yeah, okay, maybe some of us are gonna stop at that eye candy, go, Wow, that's great. But you don't have a deepening deep enough a relationship with someone that are going, that's deep enough to say, you're consistent in your messaging. Like, even if you stop one on something, you see the charlatans on social media, I'm gonna make a million dollar, you can make million dollars or $1,000, or whatever it get 20,000, or whatever it is, you get this messaging, it may pause you saying, Yeah, I want that. And then when you dig a bit deeper, you find that there's some inconsistency is in either what they're saying, or who their clients are, or the testimonials because I do this research. Or, you know, maybe something's not right, something's not lining up. And if you, if there's something that's inconsistent, now you've lost that deepening relationship, like you really have to be consistent in that relationship, to deepen to a two way trusted, intuitive relationship, that my intuition saying you can be trusted your intuition saying, I can be trusted, when that's two way, now I'm ready to spend my money on you, or spend my time with you, or spend my effort with you. Because I trust you, and that trust has to be consistent. If your values change over time, my intuition is going to pick up on that. So you can be in the perfect relationships to start business or personal. But don't forget, we're two different people. I may be more in tune with your intuition you may not be and if you start screwing up somewhere down the road, don't forget my intuition, my relational intuition and situational intuition is constantly watching, right. And so when there's a dichotomy, my negative signals are going to send warning sign science to say, listen, maybe we should back off. Yeah, soAri Gronich 38:51 so the song as you're talking comes to my head. Yeah, I'm gonna sing it even though I can't do it. Justice. You're too jaded. Yes, Aerosmith. jaded. Yep. Right. So okay, we have intuition we get jaded we get once intuition still jaded. Twice. Yep. intuition. Still jaded. Three, two, all of a sudden, how do you trust your intuition anymore if you're constantly becoming jaded. So I'll give you an example. I think that I am jaded when it comes to pretty much any digital marketer at this point in time. I think that the digital marketing world for the most part has become this fraudulent thing that you know purports on. Basically procedures versus results, just like the medical system. You know, the incentive is, if I post three times a day, then you pay me this amount, but if I post five, which doesn't take me any more time to do then it's a totally different amount and I don't care what your results are because I can't guarantee him, because you know, so I'm fully jaded when it comes to that world at this point.Sunil Godse 40:07 Yep. So I'll give you this is right up my alley, because this is something I've been looking at, you know, because that's part of the business model that I have, you know, there's a digital marketing element to it. So when I, and this has taken a number of years, because of the jadedness and the number of charlatans that are out there, and people that I trusted, that some of them have, you know, taken my money, because they were trusting at some point, but then you find out later that, you know, this is not so, so, so valuable, because I can get that free information anywhere else. Right. Some of the things that I've looked at is, uh, when they come up this I can do you know, Facebook, I'm a digital marketing expert. Okay, so what's their digital marketing footprint? So they're good in Facebook? What's your Instagram, say? What's their YouTube say? And I'll take a look at the numbers and some of the clients numbers, who they say and some cases when they have testimonials, I've actually looked at the people where the testing was coming from if I can, and some of them like, just Yeah, I don't see that success. I don't see this. And in one case, there was I had a podcast guest where he had some really excellent numbers on YouTube. And when the when the cameras are off, I asked him about his like, was she really someone who and why, right? If you spent money on someone for YouTube advice, why did you do that? And I'm looking and listening to what what he was saying, as his marketing speak, or does he really is really telling me the truth, because in the end, it's my money and my time. Another one I've seen again, what's what's up, I just had a really good example. Shoot, I wish I had anyways, it may come to me. But it's, again, it's the inconsistency in what they're saying versus what they're doing. Or it's one niche that they've really, really been been good at. It's not my niche, or they've been good in one area, they've had one hit with it, what's one homerun doesn't make them a great baseball player. And so I'm looking for those kind of consistencies, and in consistencies, because ultimately, you know, I want to put my my money where I want, where I'm going to get the best best bang for my buck. But thatAri Gronich 42:14 sounds a lot like assessing a situation and environment instead of assessing the into assessing the environment versus utilizing intuition. Right. So intuition, to me, is that inner voice, while what you're talking about is looking at the external evidence. And so that's where I'm where i i'd like to, so that what what I'm hearing you say is, you take the intuition, you match it with evidence before you make that decision, right? So so not sure if that's what you're saying, that's just what I'm hearing?Sunil Godse 42:51 Yeah, so so I'll always get the first instance of whether I trust this person or not. So the very, very first time I see an ad, or the very first time I see someone doing well, or I hear podcasts, interview somebody doing something, I'll try and get a sense of whether I believe that person or not, if I don't believe that person, right up start, then that person's lost me, I'm not even gonna dive in any more deeper. But for me to I need to believe that person. Remember, those are the four types of intuition. And so, so the first one is relational intuition, is going to be me trusting that person right away. And the second is situational is, if I find there, and I like a fancy beach and a car. Those kinds of things that are tried and true, are they using mantras that everybody said you should do that, like some people waving high to get your attention, and, you know, there's some real stupid things that are out there that are just that they're not deepening my relationship. So if they've got me enough that I see this person is genuine, and I'm gonna get a deep enough relationship with and I trust them? I'll take that. take the next step and say, Okay, let's see what experiential intuition has to do with this. Before I move on, and it that it takes it's very quick. it for me, it's, it's really, you know, if somebody comes up, I hear someone on the podcast, I will note their name down, I will quickly stop the podcast and I'll take a look. within one minute, I'll know whether I want to dive deeper into what this person is saying or not. Right? So 60 seconds, is what I give myself. And the research actually shows it takes seven seconds to trust someone. Seven seconds and other research was showing this is all the research that your intuition acts actually, at that time, seven to 10 seconds before you actually make a decision or take an action. neurology research that's coming up neuroscience research is coming up hasn't been published yet. That's as up to 23 seconds before you actually make a decision. So for me, I'm giving myself a bit of time to really confirm my intuitive, should I dive deeper or not? And it for me it's 60 seconds versus I think, rather than you know, A couple of days or four days, and if I if I don't get that within that 60 is gone. I don't care what that person is selling me later or if they get recommended by someone else, because that intuitive hit in my mind is really deep. And so that's why I really don't listen to a lot of them. I mean, there's so many pitches up there. Hmm.Ari Gronich 45:20 So I'm going to go into the animal kingdom for a second, because you mentioned the neurology. Yep. You know, we all know that a dog can kind of predict an earthquake a couple days in advance. Yeah. And we all know that we're animals, even though we try to pretend that we're not. Right. Yep. So is that a function of intuition? Or is that a function of sensory? If it's a function of sensory? How does somebody increase their sensory perception in order to increase their intuition? And if that is possible at all, and then I want to talk a little bit, I know that you and I talked in our pre interview about the the Native Americans. So I want to talk about the neurology and I want to I want to I want to get into the fMRI is what parts of the brain kind of light up when you're being intuitive? Is that a different part of the brain when the intuition is positive or negative? So let's get into kind of the weeds of that a little bit.Sunil Godse 46:24 Yeah, absolutely. So, so the when you're thinking about it, and I think that's a great example, with, with the dogs and all that, because animals are naturally a little bit more intuitive, they're a lot more, there's a heightened sensitivity to their environment. And so I think physiologically, they're much better than we are, or neurologically, they're much better than we are, they are better adept at sensing and triggering on that sensing, then we are, we seem to be more consumed with everything else around us, we've got a lot more things bombarding us that we seem to numb that initial sensing that the real intuitive signal saying something's wrong, and we have a tendency to keep moving, maybe it's curiosity, maybe we're just numb to the initial signals, whatever it is, we have this this innate ability to just keep moving on until we keep making bad decisions. And we seem to want to learn from failure a lot more. Whereas animals have that heightened sense, neurologically. And so they're able to be much more in tune with, with their intuition. And so we were talking on the pre interview as well, when I had this indigenous person join me on intuition, he was saying that what they used to do is look to the animals because the animals sense danger a couple of days before, they did, and at that time, you know, they didn't have cars and things like that they just had a couple of days warning that they had to pick up, you know, pack everything and move, because there was some kind of danger that was there. And they're not going to sit around saying what that sum is. They're just kind of move. And so it's very, very important for them to do that.Ari Gronich 48:02 Right. So we were talking on the pre interview about the Native Americans. Yeah. And how in Vietnam, during the war, may have even been Korea, I don't remember if if it was both, but they would have the Native Americans who joined the military, and were known for their tracking skills. But because it's the military, they would shave off their hair. Yeah. And when they would go into the jungle, they wouldn't be able to do the tracking, like they had been before. So as we're tracking the enemy, and we're trying to be the scouts, so to speak, not to put a defamatory, you know, title on anything, but Indian scouts would go out for the military and try to find the enemy and and so on. And they couldn't do it. But what they found when they studied that is that the only difference between them being able to track well and not track well was the length of their hair. And if they allowed them to grow back their hair, all of a sudden, they were able to track again. So the hair follicles attached to the nervous system we have these muscles called the erector pili which otherwise are known as goosebumps. And we have the sayings like the hair on the back of my head is standing up so we know that hair has a sensory perception on the environment. And what do we say if somebody is nervous? If somebody's nervous like my hair standing up, get the aren't your you know those goosebumps on your arm you get the chills right these are signals to into Are they not?Sunil Godse 50:01 Yes they are. And so when we got off the phone, I immediately went to my wife and I told her about that story because and my daughter's I just absolutely fascinating. But here's where where people may want to try and understand what intuition is like from a scientific perspective. We all know that everything is consists of energy. Yeah, right. And so we've got, you know, atoms and protons, neurons moving around. And they, they develop some kind of energy and Kerwin Ray explained intuition in back in 2007, using sort of energetic type of things. And we all know that even any material, there's, there's its mass and energy. And so when you have here that's a little longer, you've got a lot more energy around you, that affects you, that's able to pick up on things that are able to sense things. And so there's also another famous experiment that one of the neurologists did I forget his name now, but he had people who had their limbs cut off and use things of mirror neurons, the front to see them in a mirror, where they can actually now see the other limb, although it's not there, and feel, okay. So these things called mirror neurons are sending some kind of energy so that it's just giving, it's settling their systems down. And so another question I used to ask myself to some of my podcast guests, is, were you ever connected to someone where you knew something had gone wrong? And so when Nick Bradley was on saying, Yeah, he knew his dog got shot, and he was nowhere close, someone had his newest father had cancer, someone knew that they, you know, somebody fell in a pool, and they're halfway around the world. So if you look at equating this to some kind of an emotional connection, energetically between now the mirror neurons, that other person that's carried in some kind of memory in your brain, so that you're not physically there. But you're energetically connected at a very fast pace, irrespective of the distance. And so if you're, if you allow yourself to open your mind to that, then a lot of these things can be explained.Ari Gronich 52:03 So how can we energetically then connect to the collective unconscious and the collective consciousness? And I know, this is a thing like with twins, they always know what's going on with their other half. You know, those kinds of things. But we also know that some kid woke up one day and remembered that he was, you know, in the 1940s War, and he knew exactly who he fought in the war with. Yep. And they were still alive. And then he met them like this. I remember reading this story is Wow, really fascinating. This kid, you know, has basically past life is like many lives, many masters great book, by the way. You know, you have these this past life, he's actually telling the soldiers who are now in their 80s, and he's a young kid, about their experiences that he had with them during the war. Wow. And so that energetic connection we call it that this is their old life that they're energetically connected to one of my favorite movies is a movie called dead again, it's got Robin Williams Kenneth Branagh, and it's about people who die in in a previous life and find each other in the next in their next life, but they meet somebody else who was alive in their in both lives. So it's a theme, I guess, that I'm always interested in intrigued by. But that collective conscious collective unconscious, that energetic pull that we have. The question is, why can't we seem to get that intuition more developed? I guess, after these many 1000s of years, being that we're so connected by wires this these days, right, and wireless, and then where is it that in the neurons where's it in the brain in those connections that we light up? You know, with intuition, I mean, yeah,Sunil Godse 54:25 absolutely. So from a neurological perspective, the big thing is the amygdala, and and just above the amygdala on the on both sides of the brain. And I can always share with you a, an MRI that I have, if you want to use it for your purses, but where they mapped intuition, but the big one comes up into Mickey less when they neurons come up the amygdala is the first thing that's where you kind of feel it's the first fight or flight. Everything happens from there, and then it branches off from there. So that's one of the main new areas where intuition really lights up and a couple of things in thatAri Gronich 54:56 frontal that's really the reptilian side.Sunil Godse 54:58 Exactly, exactly. The reptilian That's, that's the first sort of point of contact, if you will. And you write with the, you know, with this where things are passed down. I actually did interview a Buddhist monk, and Bunty Serna. Bala had had believed that intuition gets passed down from generation to generation. Because it's energy. And I think the reason why we don't is you've kind of set it, we're in this wireless wired world, we've got societal norms, we're always trying to keep up with the Joneses. And we just haven't spent that time with ourselves. And a lot of intuitive moments have come from those just, you know, going to India, or being with themselves. And going to India is more symbolic of just really getting in touch with themselves. I mean, Steve Jobs did it. I interviewed this Johannes Linstead, he was a major jazz players won tons of awards, intuition just drives his music. And he's got millions of downloads, and you know, everything changed after he went to India, right. And this is Beatles to the Beatles, or Beatles. Absolutely. And, and so that India's is symbolic of you just spending that time with yourself. And if you look at even the research in epigenetics, where you're looking at things that are passed down from one generation to another, there's a very famous study where they took mice, and what it is when this, this mice came to this, this type of flower, at cherry blossom flower that has some kind of almond smell, it was very, very particular, they would shock the feet of these mice to the point where they didn't need to shock the feet anymore, that they just came up to that flower, and they just jolted. And it turns out, that the next generation, they didn't have to do anything every time that their the the the babies went to this same flower, they jolted right. So there's that line of epigenetic, same, okay, we have some things in our genes that we've been conditioned to, in this lifetime, that we're going to pass on to the next generation. We just don't know what that is, or what that map is. I'm sure everybody would love to do that. Because then we kind of act like robots say that I'm doing this for my son or daughter. But there's some evidence there that that you can correlate to say that yes, you know, intuition does get passed down. And but it, it all depends on how you're going to be affected. Like I can pass down my intuitive abilities to my kids. But it depends on what their influences are. They're in school eight hours a while now they're at home. They've got other friends, they've got other influences. How do they as an individual react to all those other influences, even though I've given them this gift of intuition, however minor or major, they've taken it. And it's really up to them as an individual as to how they manage that, how much they fail and figure out they got to come back to intuition. I mean, I'm lucky that I'm able to talk to this talk about this to my two daughters. But, I mean, how rare is that, right? I mean, nobody talked to me about intuition. And I had an intuitive hit at five years old. When I was five, my dad had video games that were too expensive. And this voice told me, that's not what you want to go up here. And you need to go door to door to raise money. And that's what I did. I took my little brother until I went door to door I raised 200 bucks. $100 went to my dad $100 went to charity, I couldn't sat down a sit down for about probably about 15 or 20 minutes after that, because my dad didn't believe in, in, you know, bothering people. But I so distinctly remember that voice, loud and clear. I remember what I'm looking at where I was, where my house was, it is so vivid, and five years old. Right? You had seven, right?Ari Gronich 58:34 Yeah, I look at that and I go What is the cost and this is directed towards the audience. And by the way, you know, all of these shows that we do are for you listening, so that you really can get these techniques and tips and tricks so that you can spend your life living the passionate life that you want activating your vision. So I just wanted to repeat that you know, for anybody to like subscribe rate review, but mostly to comment on on the shows so that we can actually have a dialogue and conversation about what we're talking about. So back to that so what it sounds like to me when you're saying that is that intuition beyond just the the training beyond the genetics, can be learned. What can be taught can be you know, focused on but what it is that I'm hearing is I'm hearing in my head, but I have to look at all my emails but I have to you know, check my social media and my Instagram but I have to watch the latest show of this but I have to have in mind you I don't have a TV so this is not in my right you know, realm but this is the The argument that I'm hearing from the masses, right? Yep, yep. And that's why I bring it up to the audience. But the argument I hear from the masses are but but but but I have to do doo doo doo, doo. Now I, I've been a sweat lodge goer and vision Questor and things like that. And so I've spent a lot of time with myself. I've been divorced. And I spent a lot of time with myself and Amir wailing and crying for hours and hours and hours, right, I've spent a lot of time on myself. And I still don't know who I am, you know, and who I want to be when I grow up, I know I want to have a cool impact on the world, I don't really care if I have the credit for it, I just want to see it done. Right. My goal is we need to get some shit done. And it's time for us to really move on that and create it today, you know, create our new tomorrow today, and activate our vision now for a better world. And so I've got that this passion about doing more, I don't care about the credit. I know, I remember, you know, earlier in the conversation, you were talking about that. But for the audience, you know, like spending time alone. So one of the things that my my shaman told me, during a sweat lodge one time is his, he said 18 seconds of pure meditation is equivalent to an entire week of work. Wow. And this was from a Zen monk that used to go to the sweat lodge. And he would say that he would get into a deeper state of meditation in the sweat lodge than he would just by trying to meditate, according to Hoyle, so to speak, just be you know, you're in a dark room, and you really don't have anything you can look at or see or focus on other than the those hot stones in the steam and the heat. But I'm 18 seconds of pure thought, equivalent to one full week of work. And I think that if people understood how important that hour of meditation and planning before and at the end of your day, you know, half hour before half hour at the end, whatever, whatever it is time wise, that little bit of time to meditate on what your day is going to be to ask the question my friend, Keith, he's a journalist, book, author, publisher. I mean, he's awesome. His latest book is about the angels and walking, it's called walking with angels. And one of the things that he's done, and this has been probably 1520 years that I've known him, he's done this all the time is
Hi, I am here with Sunil Godse, His Intuition helped him grow 6 ventures in his earlier entrepreneurial career to close to $20 million. Intuitive branding and business savvy had him completely transform a number of smaller ventures, taking them from 6 to 7 figures within a short period of time.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY SUNIL GODSE FOR MORE INFO.https://www.sunilgodse.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Unknown Speaker 0:00 So you have to be the one to first of all, be in touch with your intuition and recognize that these these intuitive signals, recognize that some of us have gone down societal norms, and it didn't turn out, recognize that the people around us may not be the best that that are there. And so when there's a seven step process that I go through, that takes you from basically taking a problem and solving it using your intuition. And two of them are really kind of cleaning up the people around you, and cleaning up the environment you're in. I mean, those are two of the things so you really have to take a hard look at who are those that around you that are you know, giving you feedback, and it doesn't mean you have to take a hard, hard lesson and cut everybody out. There's gonna be levels of people that you want in the inner circle and the outer circle just to keep it very simple.
Hi, I am here with Richard Flint. He is the author of 19 books and speaker, trainer and coach to over 10,000 individuals, he have dedicated his life to helping others break free and create the life of their dreams, Specializing in the training and development of individuals, companies and associations.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY RICHARD FLINT FOR MORE INFOhttps://www.richardflint.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:07 Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host Ari Gronich. Remember to Like, Subscribe rate review, comment below so that we can start conversations that matter and help you create a new tomorrow today. I've got with me today, Richard Flint. He is a 30 plus year veteran of the lecturing circuits. He is the author of over 19 books, and has great ability to adapt, adjust, align, and these changing times he just opened up a learning center this last week. So Richard, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself how you got to be who you are? And why, why are these people listening to you?Richard Flint 0:56 All right. We live in we live in interesting times right now, where people are being challenged at a level that they've never been challenged to before. And if you had asked me 30 plus years ago, what I would be doing with my life today, I probably have told you that I would be teaching at some University. And with my education, I did my undergraduate work in English and speech, I have a master's in ethics. And then I have PhDs in philosophy and psychology. When I finished graduate school, I went and taught at Ohio University for a couple of years and then moved to Wayne State University in Detroit, and left there and went to the stamper First Baptist Church in West Palm Beach, Florida, very large church, where I ran the counseling division for them. Church had some internal struggles, I left there and ran a private Counseling Center in the palm beaches for several years. And already while I was doing that, I wrote some magazine articles, I got some international attention. And I started getting groups of women that would ask me, would you come share your philosophies with this because I'm known for my philosophies. And I did that on a limited basis for a year and a half. And then I woke up one morning and realized this was a once in a lifetime opportunity. And that was 32 years ago. And for the past 32 years, I have traveled this globe. sharing my philosophies, my thoughts, my ideas, my processes, with people, if I've been given one gift in life, is the ability to take what looks confusing to you, and show you the simple process to get to the other side of it.Ari Gronich 2:45 Yeah, you know, I have these conversations a lot with my with my seven year old, it's kind of interesting about choices and about what we choose to do, and the results that come from it. You know, you mentioned we're in changing and interesting times, I think that pretty much every time period is interesting times to the people who live in them. I've always said that Mad Men are, you know, your geniuses are mad men to the societies they live in. It takes generations before they get recognized as the geniuses that they are. And, and so it's interesting, I don't feel like we live in, in changing an interesting times. I feel like it's an extension of what we've already created. And, and, you know, my philosophy, as you say is that we made this shit up and we can do better. Everything we see is a figment of our imagination, we created it in our mind. And what I'm hearing you say is that we can easily readily use that imagination and use our mind to shift our perspectives and adapt and change and adjust to the world that we see in front of us.Richard Flint 4:11 Well, you and I every day the choices that we make, are based on which which direction we choose to live, we the live from our emotions up our mind down. And if I live from my emotions up, then I I sort of limit my ability to think because from my emotions up, I'm going to react because from my emotions up, the foundation of my life is is about me doubting, worrying and feeling uncertain. And when I have those three as the foundation of my living process, then I'm going to react to everything that happens.Ari Gronich 4:51 So let's let's like unpack this a little bit because I think a lot of people would say that Living in your mind is basically living in a figment of your imagination of what's not reality. And your emotions are what tell you, you know what the truth is. So whether you're passionate about something or whether you're angry about something, it tells you kind of the path of your resistance versus your mind, which may logically have all the numbers in place. But there's something not right. And if you don't listen to that, other than you can get lost. So let's unpack this so that people know what we're kind of talking about what you're talking about, so that there's more clarity to that and how to implement that into somebody's life.Richard Flint 5:53 My mind is a sketchpad. And my mind, everything that I am created with my life began as a thought that I began to process and I have sketched it out. I'm a collector of hand carved wooden ducks. And several years ago, I was in Big Bear California doing a program. And the lady who had brought me in to speak to her company says, I'm going to take you over and show you something. So she took me over to a carving studio of a gentleman that that's what he did, he carved hand carved wooden ducks. So we were talking, he said, I want to show you something. So he took me into his studio, and on the table was a block of wood. He said, What are you looking at, and I said, I'm looking at a block of wood. He says, I'm looking at a duck. I said, I'll buy it. Because if we lose our imagination, then we lose our ability to see forward. But if I'm strong mentally, I can work through the emotions.Ari Gronich 7:00 That's interesting. And I like what you're saying, because obviously, this show is called create a new tomorrow. And in order to do that, you have to leave yesterday behind, I do have a firm belief that you have to learn from yesterday in order to properly leave it behind. However, you know, that's kind of the idea. So let's, let's break apart. Today is not yesterday, this sentence that that you placed in here, today is not yesterday, and we must be willing to do what needs to be done to prepare. So let's break apart that sentence into actionable things that somebody can actually do rather than just the concept. Okay?Richard Flint 7:47 First thing is my definition of yesterday, yesterday is a reference library, not a room to live. Can you and I airy, we've both known people who have chosen to live in yesterday, because of their their fear and the from, from the day I was born to the day I die, I'm going to battle six fears. And one of these six is going to be my number one fear. And if I don't control my fear, then I become a hostage to yesterday, there is no fear in today until I bring it out of yesterday. You know, you've got the fear of the unknown, which is rampid. Today. I mean, the people I'm talking to, they just they're they're challenged because they're used to having this routine of their life. And they're used to being able to control their life, but all of a sudden, that's sort of been removed from them. So if I take that away, then they're looking at an unknown. And there's fear in that. There's the fear of abandonment, that I'll be left. There's the fear of rejection, that people aren't gonna like me, the fear of failure, which is huge. The fear of loss, which is all about price tag you're willing to pay. And then there's the fear of success, which to me is the number one fear with young people today,Ari Gronich 9:08 when you're talking about leaving yesterday behind, but using it as a reference library. How many people you know, and I know that we'll get an emotional trigger from a story, right? So they'll read a book fiction, we'll call it a fictional book. They'll read a fictional book. It'll evoke their emotions, they'll feel angry, they'll feel sad, they'll feel loved, they'll feel feel all kinds of feelings, right, from listening to that story. So the question becomes how do you turn a reference library into something other than a place to go have a pity party?Richard Flint 9:51 Well, it a lot of that depends on what I'm looking for. You know, I, I read a book The other day, and it was it was an emotional book. And I found myself on emotion with emotions. And when I finished the book, The question I asked myself is, what triggered these emotions? And what triggered the emotions and there was the story that reminded me of my childhood, which opened up a world of feelings. And the way that I was handled that is I've already worked through those emotions. Most people, except yesterday, they don't challenge yesterday. And if you never challenge yesterday, then it's difficult to learn from yesterday.Ari Gronich 10:44 That was really fascinating. And and I appreciate that. We're talking about working from mental down mind down, that doesn't necessarily, you know, mean, that you're not utilizing your emotions. Correct. Right. And so if you're not necessarily utilizing them as a hindrance, you're using them as a tool, how do you begin using the emotions that typically would be to tear down to build up? So things like anger and frustration and rage and all those things? How do you use those to your benefit versus your destruction?Richard Flint 11:38 Oh, you got to know where those emotions are coming from. Most of the emotions that the emotions that you were experienced in the day are coming from some experience from your yesterday that you've never dealt with. I believe that anything you don't complete in life has continuation. And when I was in the world of doing counseling, you know, people would come to me and they would be, they would be angry. And but they didn't understand where their anger was coming from. So what we did, we would have to find the beginning point of that anger, they never dealt with it. And if you don't deal with negative emotions, all you do is increase their power in your life. And once we can find and locate where that anger is coming from, then we can work thereAri Gronich 12:32 is are your programs going to be evergreen? Are you turning them into evergreen programs? And the reason I asked that is, I don't know exactly when your episode is going to air. And so I just want to make sure that the information is either going to be retroactively you know, available for them if if it's evergreen or not. I just want to make sure that they have the option of finding that so are you going to turn that into an available recording?Richard Flint 13:04 Yes, we record everything we do will be there. Okay. Awesome.Ari Gronich 13:10 That way in case you know, this is after January. We we don't losing anybody, you know. We don't want to lose anybody in translation. SoRichard Flint 13:24 if they've got a Richard Flint, calm, everything they need to know about me is right there.Ari Gronich 13:29 Awesome. Very nice. Thank you so much for being here. Richard. This has been another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host, Ari Gronich, and we will create a new tomorrow today every day and activate our vision for a better world. Please do remember to LIKE subscribe, rate, review comment so that we can start conversations that matter and help you to create your new tomorrow today.
Hi, I am here with Richard Flint. He is the author of 19 books and speaker, trainer and coach to over 10,000 individuals, he have dedicated his life to helping others break free and create the life of their dreams, Specializing in the training and development of individuals, companies and associations.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY RICHARD FLINT FOR MORE INFOhttps://www.richardflint.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:00 I'm Ari, Gronich, and this is create a new tomorrow podcast.Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host Ari Gronich. Remember to like subscribe rate review, comment below so that we can start conversations that matter and help you create a new tomorrow today. I've got with me today, Richard Flint. He is a 30 plus year veteran of the lecturing circuits. He is the author of over 19 books, and has great ability to adapt, adjust, align, and these changing times he just opened up a learning center this last week. So Richard, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself how you got to be who you are? And why. Why are these people listening to you?Richard Flint 1:04 Alright, we live in we live in interesting times right now, where people are being challenged at a level that they've never been challenged before. And if you had asked me 30 plus years ago, what I would be doing with my life today, I'd probably have told you that I would be teaching at some University. And with my education, I did my undergraduate work in English and speech, I have a master's in ethics. And then I have PhDs in philosophy and psychology. When I finished graduate school, I went and taught at Ohio University for a couple of years and then moved to Wayne State University in Detroit, and left there and went to the staffer First Baptist Church in West Palm Beach, Florida, very large church, where I ran the counseling division for them. Church had some internal struggles, I left there and ran a private Counseling Center in the palm beaches for several years. And I read while I was doing that, I wrote some magazine articles, I got some international attention. And I started getting groups of women that would ask me, would you come share your philosophies with this, because I'm known for my philosophies. And I did that on a limited basis for a year and a half. And then I woke up one morning and realized this was a once in a lifetime opportunity. And that was 32 years ago. And for the past 32 years, I have traveled this globe. sharing my philosophies, my thoughts, my ideas, my processes, with people, if I've been given one gift in life, is the ability to take what looks confusing to you, and show you the simple process to get to the other side of it. People do not have to struggle, they struggle by choice. And if you live a life of struggle, then that's all you think your life's going to be. But if you want to move beyond that and get out of the circle of sameness, you can also do that. You know, life is all about choices. It's about the choices we make, because every choice creates a direction.Ari Gronich 3:18 Yeah, you know, I have these conversations a lot with my with my seven year old, it's kind of interesting about choices and about what we choose to do, and the results that come from it. You know, you mentioned we're in changing and interesting times, I think that pretty much every time period is interesting times to the people who live in them. I've always said that Mad Men are, you know, your geniuses are mad men to the societies they live in. It takes generations before they get recognized as the geniuses that they are. And, and so it's interesting. I don't feel like we live in in changing an interesting times. I feel like it's an extension of what we've already created. And, and, you know, my philosophy, as you say is that we made this shit up and we can do better. Everything we see is a figment of our imagination, we created it in our mind. And what I'm hearing you say is that we can easily readily use that imagination and use our mind to shift our perspectives and adapt and change and adjust to the world that we see in front of us.Richard Flint 4:43 Well, you and I every day the choices that we make, are based on which which direction we choose to live. We the live from our emotions up, our mind down and if I live from my emotions up then I I sort of limit my ability to think. Because if my emotions up, I'm going to react. Because from my emotions up, the foundation of my life is, is about me doubting, worrying and feeling uncertain. And when I have those three, as the foundation of my living process, then I'm going to react to everything that happens. If I'm living from my mind down, then what do I do, I have a foundation of belief in myself, trust in myself, and the competence, the faith, that I can continue to move my life forward. throughout life, many people move in between those two foundations. And this is why some days, their life is great. And other days, their life is just a mess.Ari Gronich 5:51 So let's let's like unpack this a little bit. Because I think a lot of people would say that living in your mind is basically living in a figment of your imagination of what's not reality. And your emotions are what tell you, you know, what the truth is. So whether you're passionate about something, or whether you're angry about something, it tells you kind of the path of your resistance versus your mind, which may logically have all the numbers in place, but there's something not right. And if you don't listen to that other, then you can get lost. So let's unpack this so that people know what we're kind of talking about what you're talking about, so that there's more clarity to that and how to implement that into somebody's life.Richard Flint 6:53 My mind is a sketchpad. And my mind, everything that I am created with my life, began as a thought that I began to process and I have sketched it out. I'm a collector of hand carved wooden ducks. And several years ago, I was in Big Bear California doing a program. And the lady who had brought me in to speak to her company says, I'm going to take you over and show you something. So she took me over to a carving studio of a gentleman that that's what he did, he carved hand carved wooden ducks. So we were talking, he said, I want to show you something. So he took me into his studio, and on the table was a block of wood. He said, What are you looking at, I said, I'm looking at a block of wood. He says, I'm looking at a duck. I said, I'll buy it. Because if we lose our imagination, then we lose our ability to see forward. Now, granted, every day of our life is going to involve emotions. But if my mind is strong, in my belief, my trust and my faith in myself, then I can see beyond the fog that I'm living in. So then what happens with my mind strong, it then allows me to have the emotions that will support what it is I'm working on. But if I'm living from my emotions up, then my mind will give me an idea. But if my emotions are the strongest, then what I'm going to do, I'm going to become negative, and what's negative, I doubt what's negative, I spent too much time worrying about I live in a world where everything is uncertain. So I can't see beyond the fog that I'm living in. And, you know, I've worked with hundreds of people and have worked with them, and as a mentor in their life. And the thing that I find in people is that because of something that happens in their life, they lose that belief, that trust and that faith in their self. And when they do that, then they slip into a world of being afraid to let go if yesterday to step out of yesterday. But with my my belief, my trust and my faith in myself, I can step forward, because I know that I can because I'm committed to getting something done. And that's where my creativity comes from. It's my mind as a sketchpad, believing in myself and my emotions, giving me those positive emotions, that that strengthened me now, sure, I'm going to go through negative times. But if I'm strong mentally, I can work through the emotions.Ari Gronich 9:49 That's interesting. And I like what you're saying because obviously the show is called create a new tomorrow. And in order to do that, you have to leave Yesterday behind, I do have a firm belief that you have to learn from yesterday in order to properly leave it behind. However, you know, that's kind of the idea. So let's, let's break apart. Today is not yesterday, this sentence that that you placed in here, today is not yesterday, and we must be willing to do what needs to be done to prepare. So let's break apart that sentence into actionable things that somebody can actually do rather than just the concept.Richard Flint 10:35 Okay? First thing is my definition of yesterday, yesterday is a reference library, not a room to live. And you and I, airy, we've both known people who have chosen to live in yesterday, because of their their fear and the from, from the day I was born to the day I die, I'm going to battle six fears. And one of these six is going to be my number one fear. And if I don't control my fear, then I become a hostage to yesterday, there is no fear in today until I bring it out of yesterday. You know, you've got the fear of the unknown, which is rampid. Today. I mean, the people I'm talking to, they just they're they're challenged, because they're used to having this routine of their life. And they're used to being able to control their life, but all of a sudden, that's sort of been removed from them. So if I take that away, then they're looking at an unknown. And there's fear in that. There's the fear of abandonment, that I'll be left, there's the fear of rejection, that people aren't gonna like me, the fear of failure, which is huge. The fear of loss, which is all about price tag you're willing to pay. And then there's the fear of success, which to me is the number one fear with young people today. And the only thing I have is today. And my definition of today is dependent on what I've taken from yesterday, if I see it as that reference library, and I can open those file cabinets of yesterday, and I can find the lessons that I believe in and bring them forward, then I'm laying the foundation for a today where I can succeed. And if I succeed today, and I have that process, then I'm actually preparing for tomorrow. But if I'm living in yesterday, all I have is where I've been. And without that, I don't have a real definition of where I can go except backwards. Stand still.Unknown Speaker 12:45 SoAri Gronich 12:47 when you're talking about leaving yesterday behind, but using it as a reference library, how many people you know, and I know that we'll get an emotional trigger from a story, right? And so they'll read a book fiction, call it a fictional book, they'll read a fictional book, it'll evoke their emotions, they'll feel angry, they'll feel sad, they'll feel loved, they'll feel feel all kinds of feelings, right, from listening to that story. So the question becomes how do you turn a reference library into something other than a place to go have a pity party?Richard Flint 13:30 Well, it a lot of that depends on what I'm looking for. You know, I, I read a book The other day, and it was it was an emotional book. And I found myself on emotion with emotions. And when I finished the book, The question I asked myself is, what triggered these emotions? And what triggered the emotions and there was the story that reminded me of my childhood, which opened up a world of feelings. And the way that I was handled that is I've already worked through those emotions. Most people except yesterday, they don't challenge yesterday. And if you never challenge yesterday, then it's difficult to learn from yesterday. me when I was when I was 16 years old, my parents gave me a suitcase. adoptive parents gave me a suitcase and Tommy have been nice. No and me. And I have physically been on my own since I was 16. Only thing I ever know about my natural mother is that she was a prostitute in New Orleans. And she didn't want me so I was given away the home that I was adopted into. I never heard my dad talk. My dad and my mother ruled our house. And from the age of six to the age of 16. My mother used to make one of three states Listen to me consistently, you're stupid. You'll never amount to anything. And I'm sorry we ever adopted you. And, you know, children, the what they learned in life is what they get from their parents. And I spent years trying to prove to my mother, she was wrong. And when I was a sophomore in college, I went home to confront my mom and dad, when my mom saw me, she walked out the back door of the house, got in her car and drove off. never said a word to me. But that was one of the greatest freedom points I've ever had in my life, because it showed me nothing I could ever do, would earn her love. So right there, and then I stopped trying to prove to her and so much, so much of the downfall with people is that they spend too much time trying to prove their self to other people. And most of what we're trying to prove comes from our yesterday. That's why yesterday is important, as a reference library, to learn to understand the experience, to extract the lesson to bring the lesson in to today. And I tell people every day, I want three things for you, I want you to be better than what you are, I want you to be smarter than you think you are. And I want you to be strong enough to handle what life throws at you. And if you have got at your foundation, life will come at you. But then we put the word in place that is the control word of life pace. When I am living from my emotions up, my pace is out of control. When I'm living from my mind down, I'm in control of the pace of my life, which means I'm in control of my life.Unknown Speaker 16:51 Huh?Unknown Speaker 16:54 Well,Unknown Speaker 16:57 that was aAri Gronich 17:00 really fascinating, and and I appreciate that. We're talking about working from mental down mind down, that doesn't necessarily, you know, mean, that you're not utilizing your emotions? Correct. Right. And so if you're not necessarily utilizing them as a hindrance, you're using them as a tool, how do you begin using the emotions that typically would be to tear down to build up? So things like anger and frustration and rage and all those things? How do you use those to your benefit versus your destruction?Richard Flint 17:51 Oh, you got to know where those emotions are coming from. Most of the emotions that the emotions that you were experienced in a day are coming from some experience from your yesterday that you've never dealt with. I believe that anything you don't complete in life has continuation. And when I was in the world of doing counseling, you know, people would come to me and they would be they would be angry. And but they didn't understand where their anger was coming from. So what we did, we would have to find the beginning point of that anger, they never dealt with it. And if you don't deal with negative emotions, all you do is increase their power in your life. And once we can find and locate where that anger is coming from, then we can work there. I've had couples in my office where one would be angry at the other. But Eric, it had nothing to do with their partner. It was the behavior or the actions of their partner reminded them of someone else. And they just brought that forward. And is is long is that there and not addressed. You have no way to get beyond the anger that you're feeling. That makes sense to you.Ari Gronich 19:18 Yeah, absolutely. So I come from the world of emotional release work. You know, I've done a lot of work with vets and PTSD with abuse victims, especially women who have suffered sexual abuse, mostly because of my experience with with that as well. And I've I've always found that I can talk somebody to death, about their stuff and and it doesn't necessarily help sometimes actually causes it to get worse and in some cases, just re escalate. The acuteness of the old trauma, versus doing somatic body work and breath work while doing the, the talk therapy and so on 10s, at least in my experience, to get the issues out of the tissues, because we have muscle cell memory, and every time we have an emotional trauma, it lands somewhere in our body and has a memory there. So the question that I have is, is, and I asked these in specific ways, because I want I want to get really clear, because we're not talking about reliving the experience or the story in order to get pity or sympathy, right? We're not looking for it in ourselves, or in anybody that we might be telling the story to. We're looking for empathy, and forgiveness and those kinds of things. Is that correct? At least in your in your perspective, because if we don't do those kinds of things, then we have that possibility of turning on the acuteness of an old trauma?Richard Flint 21:18 Well, one of the things that I know is that there are people out there who are looking for pity. And they keep retelling their story, because that's how they get pity from other people. And the challenge is, sometimes we feel sorry for these people. So what we do is we support that behavior. If there's one philosophy that I've written, that I'm known worldwide for, is just the rewards, behavior never lies, that the essence of truth is not what you say is what you do. I also believe that all behavior has an agenda. And that, you know, someone says, I didn't mean to do that, that's a lie. If you didn't mean to do it, you wouldn't have done it. But there's a purpose that goes with behavior. And you know, you're right. There are some people that they're not looking for.They're not looking for pity. What they're looking for is just a set of ears. You ever gone looking for a set of ears? Not easy to find was a mouth?Ari Gronich 22:39 Yeah, it's, it's unfortunate when you look for a sounding board. And all you get is a speaker?Richard Flint 22:47 Yeah. People tell me all the time that I am a master at asking questions. And when I work with people, you know, people asked me, you know, what, what would you do? And I'll tell him, I'm not you. But let's talk about it to this question. And as long as I can depend on you, then I'm a hostage. But if you can help me, to making me Focus on me, and do with the truth of my own life, then you can turn me into a pioneer who has an unlimited future. My challenge with a lot of people who do, quote, counseling, is that they work to tie people to them, not free people from them. And I don't want anybody to be dependent on me. That's not my that's not my role. That's not my life. My life is to help you free yourself. So that you can discover the more there is for your life.Ari Gronich 23:55 You know, that's that's a interesting because one of my my current raves or rants, rants and raves, is, is in the system of medicine. And the incentives which is basically the incentive is to keep treating versus curing, and, and more procedures gets you more money versus better results. So that's kind of the way that I've seen medicine. That's the way I've seen marketing. That's the way I've seen companies in general going in, in many ways is it's no longer about quality, it's about quantity. It's no longer about what you're providing your customer and the benefit that they're getting. It's just a matter of giving them enough to get them to come back again and again and again. And, and as a functional medicine guy and doing sports therapy, we our entire goal is results that get them to a place where either They don't need us, or they're ready to go to that next level, and they need us for the next level. So, but it's no nowhere near keeping them static in their life. But it definitely seems like that tends to be a pattern in the counseling industry.Richard Flint 25:20 Well, and it goes much deeper than that it is, it's really our country today to me is driven by power and control. Okay, I have the power. So I'm going to control your life, I look at a lot of these decisions that are being made because of the virus. And it's not about the virus, it's about somebody wanting to play God. And somebody wanting to take control of your life and tell you how you can live. And, you know, personal with me, and your audience may not agree with this, but that's okay. I think the intent of a lot of people in power today is to break the human spirit. And I'm watching I'm Eric, I'm watching people that have been strong suffering with depression today. I'm watching people who have been really driven, but because of the unknown because of the uncontrollable, I'm watching their their spirit be drained out of them. And I personally believe that there's two types of depression, there's clinical depression, which medications is needed, we need to get the body back in sync. But I think the biggest form of depression is personal depression, is personal depression is when you take away my ability to be me to be in control of my life, and to make decisions. And it seems like today that there is an agenda behind the agenda, work, it's about, we're going to break the spirit of people. And if you break the spirit of people, what do you have? You have a herd of sheep?Ari Gronich 27:16 Yeah, so you know, we can go through through this kind of a conversation, because I love these conversations. Butmymy thing is, I don't like the conspiracy side of the conspiracy stories and theories. And and the part of that that is hard for me is is assigning an intention from a group or several groups or whatever, right. And so I don't tend to cite an agenda or an intention of people more like, here's the facts. And so yeah, we can talk about the facts. The facts are that, you know, we know, numbers aren't being told in a truthful way, we don't know whether they're high or low. We know that the media is propagating a level of fear in order to create consensus, which is to create people who are agreeing to the restrictions that that they're given. We don't know the intention. We can assume an intention, we don't know an intention, right? We don't know if this was designed. Or if this is a natural occurrence, right? If this is a designed occurrence, or a natural occurrence. That being said, in general, you can look at a fact like, in the 1940s, we started putting fluoride in the water. Prior to us putting fluoride in the water fluoride was being tested by, you know, the Nazi Germany, on their soldiers in order to create soldiers that are less likely to or more likely to obey orders and less likely to revolt against orders that they would deem inappropriate. So since the 1940s, we've been putting it in our water. And we know it's a neurotoxin that helps to control people's minds. So we can't put an intention on that string of facts. We can only say here's a string of facts, and you can figure it out for yourself what an intention might be. But so let's talk about this. You brought it up. So what do you think that people need to do in order to stop being sheep as you call them?Richard Flint 29:58 Well, first of all, let me ask you Do you believe? Do you believe that all behavior has an agenda?Ari Gronich 30:06 I believe that all behavior has an agenda. And I do not believe that, that anybody really knows the agenda that their behavior is providing. In most cases, they're probably recognizing or conscious of about 5%Richard Flint 30:25 or less. So I do something I know is wrong. Am I conscious that I'm doing it?Ari Gronich 30:35 Sometimes, who knows? There's a lot of people like kleptomaniacs that don't know that they're doing it when they're doing it. They only know afterwards. It's kind of like a blank slate. So.Richard Flint 30:49 But let's, let's take the let's take the average person who lives every day making choices. And I know this choice is wrong for me. And this is what I need to do. But I choose this, I choose the behavior. Because in some way, it's more satisfying to me than doing the right thing. But I know I know what my agenda is. I'm just a very firm believer that on the broader scope, you are exactly in your life where you want to be. And I watched every I've watched that, and people. And people tell me, I don't want to be here. Well, let's look at some of the choices you've made. Because every choice creates a path. That path is guided by behaviors. And that takes me in a direction. And what I find is that most people don't really understand the power of the choices that they make. And the connection to the behaviors that they live.Ari Gronich 32:10 I agree that that most people don't have any kind of associative value with what it is that they did, and the consequences that it brought, and the consequence to the consequences, the consequences to the consequence, I talk about butterfly effect a lot in my book. So I agree that people do not realize the things that they that they're doing. So my my I guess what I what I said to you was I don't believe that all behavior is conscious behavior, an automatic behavior, while it may have an agenda may not be known to the person what the agenda is. The other thing I'm going to say to that is that you're saying everybody knows what to do. But we have been systematically given this menu of choices, all of which happened to be 100%. Correct. And you can just ask Dr. Google about it. And you'll find that there are 50 ways to skin a cat, right. And all of them are 100% the only way. And so what people are experiencing, and in my opinion, is a lot of misinformation, that then they have no idea what's true, and what to choose and why to choose it.Richard Flint 33:46 up, and I agree that, you know, with any with any Crossroads that you and I stand that no matter what it's about their choices. Now, one of the things that, again, I've seen in working with people is that this sounds strange. Most people don't think they think they think but most people don't think and the reason they don't is they approach the decision with their emotions running, not slowing down and saying, Okay, I've got six options here. Which option best fits what I want to achieve. And the people who slow down are the people who take that deep breath in life. They look at the options. They know what they want, because they understand their purpose in life, which is a very, very few people.Ari Gronich 34:50 Yeah, that That to me is is probably more the issue I think that I've seen because people live their life. And they don't plan their life to live, they live their life on a plan, right? So you go to work, you go home, you go to work, you go home, you go to work, you go home, you do that five days a week, the next day you're doing errands. And the next day, maybe you go to church and restaurant a little better, you know, temple or whatever. And, and, and do something to relax. And then the next day, you're added again, and we believe somehow, in our minds, that this is the only thing that creates a person of value. And so when we have issues like this whole thing going on, we start getting depression, because people don't feel like they're providing value, because they're not doing this rat race. And on your point, I used to run a workshop is a three day workshop called Living big on purpose. And it was how to live a big life. Now I was at the time, 340 pounds. So there was a lot of double entendres and double meanings, their big life and doing it on purpose and all those things. But the point is, is that people don't know their purpose, because they've never been encouraged, or taught in any of our education, or, you know, general public way of teaching. We don't teach how to dream, we teach how to listen, and how to obey. We don't teach how to dream, and how to imagine and how to create the life that I want, versus a life that I'm being pre prescribed is the life I should have. Right? And so we never plan. And if you don't plan, you know, it's the same thing as setting a destination course without a rudder. You know, you're gonna arrive somewhere. But would you rather arrive at a well planned destination or an unplanned destination? And that's a good question. And that's something that we can talk about is how does how do people start creating that plan so that they know where they're going. So they have a trajectory so that their behavior matches the end goal? Because they actually have an end goal? And that was a lot of rant? So I'll let you I'll let you take it from here.Richard Flint 37:21 No, but what you're talking about is is absolutely correct. And I think in order to find that purpose, because you and I know purpose changes throughout our life. I mean, you haven't always sat there in that chair, talking into a microphone, correct? No. And before you got here, there was another purpose to your life. But as as purpose develops, opportunities appear. Now, sometimes that opportunity is a curse is a possibility, not an opportunity. But you know, I never thought I never thought that I would ever teach, I was going to be a lawyer, and decided, that's not what I want to be. I never thought that I would spend my life 30 years of my life, traveling the world speaking, not was not on my agenda. But as I strengthened my belief, my trust my faith in myself, and I opened myself to looking to the horizon. Rather than standing in where I am, then all of a sudden, I began to see other places that I could go with my talents and with my abilities. And so, you know, here I am. But let me let me share this with you, because you asked. I think in order to find the purpose in your life, there are four questions that you have to ask. And words to me are critically important. Question number one, what do I really want for my life? Not What do I want? It's the word really, that makes it an in depth question. What do I really want from my life? And if you can't answer that, you can't go to the next one. And question number two is, why do I really want this for my life? Question number three, what price Am I willing to pay to achieve this? And that's where a lot of people break down. Because for everything you and I want to do, there's a price tag in life. And then Question number four, what behaviors will I have to improve to allow me to get there? And I use those four questions every year in my life, to define my purpose. Like for 2021 what do I really want to achieve in 2021? Why am I willing to pay the price? Because I think the more you want to do with your life, the more confusion you have to work through Because confusion can be a real positive. If you've looked at it for what it is, it's a test of commitment. And then I have to be honest with myself, What is it about me that I'm going? Where am I going to have to improve? Not change? I never asked anybody to change? Where do I need to improve in my behavior? To remove the restrictions and limitations, that behavior can place on me? You're muted.Ari Gronich 40:39 Sorry, there was background noise. I had I have kids moving around in my background, so I have to mute every now and then. So we were talking about purpose, I was basically saying, those are great questions that you ask, I would, I would ask some more questions. Because I don't believe that it's necessarily all about just me. And that's my own personal beliefs. So I asked questions like, what is the legacy that you want to leave? What is the world that you want to see? Or, you know, your kids and grandkids and so on? Have I get into I guess, a little bit more in depth so that it becomes alive and real for for people? So I just suggest, yes, ask yourself those questions, but have it become really alive for you, and utilize your imagination in a way that's, you know, imagery sounds, even if you're watching videos, you know, things like that. I mean, this is a great thing at the beginning of a new year to do, it's not about resolutions, because I've never seen a resolution have somebody resolved to do the resolution ever in my life. I only see the beginnings. But when you have a well designed plan, you could actually create, you know, a roadmap to get to where you're going versus resolving to, I'm going to go to the gym this year, right? So anyway, that's a really good way of starting out your new year is find find that purpose. And you might want to ask yourself 100 years, what do you want to see the world like 50 years? What do you want to see the world? Like?Richard Flint 42:39 Can I take this a little deeper? Oh, yeah, please do. Okay. And you said something that is just, it's gospel. And that is, you and I, anything that we do with our life is going to affect the people around us. And so I can't, I can't just look at life just to me, you know, what do I really want? Okay, how's that going to affect? I believe that you and I live in a four room house, we have a business room, a family room, a social room and a Personal Room. And what I find with people is their life gets messed up because their lives are out of sync. I think there has to be an order to your life in order for you to have growth, to have clarity, and to have simplicity of living. And the order is this, the most important room in my life is my personal room. That's where I go to be by myself. And that alone with me is where my dreams are born. Because if I put too many people in that room, I'm overwhelmed with opinions. So what do I really want. And then the second most important room in your life is your family room. Because if you don't have the support of family, dreams will be destroyed. And so if I know what I really want, then I need to sit down with Karen and I need to talk to her about you know, this is the this is the ministry This is the crusade that I want to have in 2021. Because if she's not with me, she's against me. And you know this, you have kids, family can be very emotional. And if there's not, if there's not that common connection, it makes it real challenge. And then your third room is your business room, which is your number one room of mental stress.Unknown Speaker 44:39 And thenRichard Flint 44:40 your social room is your play room. And that's another thing area that we're seeing today people aren't playing as playing the you know, this social distancing. This disconnect is really dangerous for everybody, young people, for children for adults. We are so creatures, we need that interaction. And this is good through the internet, but it doesn't give you the energy of standing in the presence of somebody.Ari Gronich 45:11 Yeah, you know, for sure I'm definitely missing my, my, you know, events, the people I had, I think for international speaking offers two weeks before COVID. And before the lockdown, and they all went away, right? immediately. And so yeah, I miss, I miss a little bit being on the road, I miss getting getting to look in the eyeballs of the people I'm talking to instead of, like, right now I'm looking my own eyeballs, it's very strange, I want to look down at your eyeballs. And you know, we, you know, we're, we have this very intimate connection with our lens. But it's not the right lens, it's the camera lens, it's not the lens behind our eyes, it's the camera lens, and we're having this very intimate relationship with this thing that I'm looking at right now may look like I'm looking at you. But I'm not looking at a camera, and lens. And because this interesting dynamic. You know, we have a lot of people flossing, that's, that's the new term for it. It's flossing. And they're flossing because they are in pain. And they don't want to show the pain. So they are flossing the selfies with lots of filters.Unknown Speaker 46:50 ThinkingAri Gronich 46:51 anyway, so I just wanted to say that this way of being I feel like this about that's how I feel about this way of being that that we're currently doingRichard Flint 47:07 it see if you agree with this, because you've been on platform, you've had that live audience out there in front of you. And that live audience gives you energy, and you can feed off of that energy, and it just makes you want to give energy back to them. I'm doing a tremendous amount of virtual seminars right now, conventions. And the interesting thing is, I can sit here with you. But there's not that in, you know, in reality, there's not that energy coming back. So I got to create the energy for both me and for you. Without that my body is given it back. And I tell you what, it's a whole different world of presentation.Ari Gronich 47:49 Yeah, you know, it's, it's really hard, especially for those of us who are trained to, to train and we, you know, get people in groups and doing active things out of their chairs with each other, it's hard when you know, the with each other is not in a place where you could actually touch or look in their eyes, hold their hands, especially if you're doing an emotional release kind of a thing. You know, it's like, you need that touch in order for the real release from the body to happen. Otherwise, it's kind of like, yeah, you can get to the emotion of it a little bit, but you won't get to the release of it.Richard Flint 48:40 And I agree with you. And this is one of the things that this lack of socialization is doing today. And probably the group This is hurting the most are the kids. Because at a young age, you need that socialization, you need to be in there, among them. And, you know, when they don't have that I've talked to several parents like me, whose kids are very social animals. And, you know, they're social butterflies, but it's the social butterfly that keeps them active and keeps them busy and keeps driving them. And now that they're the virtual school, they don't have that, that desire is diminishing.Ari Gronich 49:29 Yeah, you know, it's funny because we had to, we pulled our son out of school completely and are homeschooling him. And he's a very social person. He's actually learning a lot more right now and he likes not being in a classroom. Because I think, you know, otherwise he's the class clown. He's gonna be looking for the attention now mind you, he's in first grade. So but you know, he's he Somebody who is very social, and he's not getting to be as social as I'd like him to be, but I find that we can, you know, take over other ways, like putting in martial arts or different sports, when we're allowed to do that people. You know, those are ways that we can socialize him more, and actually think that they might be better, but I, I never had a good experience. And in public school, I mean, I was way too smart for the teachers, and he's 10 times smarter than than I am. And so, you know, I think, the last straw for us, he was doing that virtual school. And, and he, you know, the teacher asked how the kids were doing? And he said, Well, I'm frustrated. And the teacher said, What, why are you? Why are you frustrated? What's going on? He said, I have five businesses, and you're not teaching me how to work with any of them.Unknown Speaker 51:03 SoAri Gronich 51:05 at that point, you know, it was it was that we give them a different experience for a little while. But yeah, I mean, you know, depression is up, suicide is up, abuse of all kinds, domestic abuse is up. So then, what what's the solution? You know, because, obviously, this system is saying that we need to socially distance so we need to cover our faces. And we need to do these things in order to protect our community and have civic responsibility and civic duty. And anybody, you know, who disagrees with any of that decree, is a eugenics, you know, lover who's trying to kill off the world? So these are the polarities of our experience right now. So how do we, how do we solve this disparity?Richard Flint 52:10 I'm going to answer your question, because I'm going to give you what I think we have to do. But I want to preface it by saying this, I wish that they would be honest with us about the numbers. I don't trust the numbers are given us. I have several doctor friends. And they will, they will tell you, anyone who comes into the hospital who has a fever is classified this coping, because the hospitals get paid money for that. And that goes back to the point you made earlier in the show. And that I think so much of what's being done today is the ultimate agenda is greed, the mechanism to use this fear. So, what I tell people today, that there are basically six things you need to do. And again, these are these are mind. And a lot of people would not agree with it. And I tell them, it's okay, you can be wrong. But these are what these are what I I work with people on, first of all, stay spiritually strong. That and I wish someone area I wish someone would explain to me why faith is not an essential part of life. We're closing the churches down we're opening up the Walmart's the targets. Walmart's what profits up 549% Why isn't been an essential part of life. But you got to stay spiritually strong, your your belief, your trust in your faith, that we will get through this. And that I can I can get through this has got to be strong. Second thing is you got to pace yourself. One of the hardest things I do with the students that I have my my mentoring students, is it basis basically takes me two or three months to get them to understand the power of pace. That the faster you move to bigger mesh you got to make. And you either manage your life or your life manages you. So let's let's slow down so that we can and you said it in another way a while ago. And I thought that's exactly right. You need to slow down where you can listen to life. Because life talks to us. And I need to be at a pace where I'm listening to the life around me. And right now what I need to listen for is I need to listen for how to be smart in the midst of what we're going through. The third thing that I said I suggest to people, you need to invest in yourself. You need to take that time right now to really get to know yourself.Unknown Speaker 54:59 Who are youRichard Flint 55:01 What do you learn about yourself? And I've had this conversation with couples, who are you as a couple, you're spending more time around each other, you deal with more things you've ever dealt with?Unknown Speaker 55:11 What do you learn me.Richard Flint 55:14 Because what I find breaks couples apart, married or unmarried couples, is that when two people come together, what brings them together is a special something that they see in each other, and they connect it that special something. And what tears them apart is they lose that special something. So we need to invest in ourselves and getting to know us more, and get back to who we are not the person that we've been told to be resilient. The next one is resilience is a must. resilience to me, is the second most beautiful word in language next to love. But you've got to be more resilient than anything you've ever been. And to me, resilience is you can not be down, but I'm going to get up stronger, I'm going to be better.And then the last to the next one is involve the right people in your life.Stop listening to the negative people, my gosh, every I don't know about you. But I listened to the news for about 30 minutes in the morning. And then I don't listen to any more news. The news today has become very negative, it's become very controlling, it's become manipulative. And the agenda of the news, it I think, is to keep people in fear. And to keep them from really thinking and asking the right questions. And then the last thing I suggest that people get involved in training, find some way to put yourself in a learning experience. And that's why I opened my learning center. So that I could I can invite people to come into this learning center, we have classes at three different levels. And we got depending on where you are in your life, which level you go into. But challenge yourself, you need to challenge yourself today. And to challenge too, because I really do, I want people to be better, I want them to be smarter, I want it to be stronger in life. Because when you have those three, those three, then feed your desire, your determination and your discipline to achieve. Nice,Unknown Speaker 57:34 I likeAri Gronich 57:35 that very succinct. I want to I want to, you know, like, take another hour and break each one of those things apart into little itty bitty pieces. But we don't have another hour. So I guess I can't do that. But I really, really want to I want to break them all into little itty bitty, bite sized chunky pieces that people can consume easily and readily. But I think that this is a great place to to end the call for now. I mean, obviously I could spend another five hours having a conversation with you about all of these wonderful things. And here's what I want to just end with because you asked a question about how to not have faith and be alive, so to speak. I don't think that people don't have faith. And I don't think that faith is as direly wanting as some people think, I believe that faith has moved from the faith in a religion, to faith and other things. So faith is less than less, in my opinion, based on religious teachings and more based on inner knowings. And so I don't think that it's, it's absent, I think that it's transformed a little bit from what people know of. And so why would Why would a church be closed? And a Walmart not? Why would you know, and I'm going to leave you guys with these thoughts. I'm not going to answer any of them for you. But if you like you can always comment on the this conversation and we can start that conversation deeper. So why is it that people do an ask this question, do and make choices that go in exact opposite of their own self interest? That's the question I'm going to leave you with. Because I think that that goes to the heart of all the things, Richard, that you've been saying is that people make choices that go against the goals, versus towards the goals, they go against what it is that you want, versus going towards what you want. So why is it that we as a society, have decided to let the bullies rule? And we've decided to lay down for the bullies? And how does that help you create a new tomorrow today?So that's what I'm going to leave you with? Because normally, I leave you with all these great tips and tricks. I think that Richard really provided that for for you with with his six. And, and so Richard, why don't you let people know how they can get ahold of you if they'd like to book you for a speaking engagement or, or any other form of, of work that you do if somebody wants to get ahold of you and learn more?Richard Flint 1:01:19 How do they do that? Well, my website is real simple with Richard Flint.com. My staff did that. So I would never forget it. But Richard Clint calm. And my email is also very simple. Richard at Richard Flint.com. And Eric, we have two things coming up in January, that I'm really excited about. I'm doing two virtual seminars in January, to help people with mindset for 2021. On the 16th of January, we're going to do a virtual 70 minutes virtual seminar on turning your gold into gold. I think one of the most frustrating thing that happens out there is we teach a very negative process to goal setting. And I think it creates most people's frustrations. So I'm going to take 70 minutes, and I'm going to show you a process that allows your goals not to be words on a paper, but the reality that your mind can construct and build off of. And then on the 30th of January, we're doing another virtual seminar and titled, how to have the greatest year of your life, and how to strengthen yourself internally. So the external can't control you. And if people would like to have information on this, if they'll go to Richard flint.com, backslash live, all of the information is there. Richard flint.com, backslash live. It's there. I think you and I think you and I share a common a common purpose. And that purpose is to help people find the fulfillment of life. That's what I get from you. And I really, I really liked that. And I respect you for that.Ari Gronich 1:03:07 I appreciate that. Is are your programs going to be evergreen? Are you turning them into evergreen programs? And the reason I asked that is, I don't know exactly when your episode is going to air. And so I just want to make sure that the information is either going to be retroactively, you know, available for them if if it's evergreen or not. I just want to make sure that they have the option of finding that so are you going to turn that into an available recording?Richard Flint 1:03:41 Yes, we record everything we do will be there. Okay. Awesome.Ari Gronich 1:03:47 That way, in case you know, this is after January. We we don't want losing anybody, you know. We don't want to lose anybody in translation. SoRichard Flint 1:04:02 if they'll go to Richard Flint, calm everything they need to know about me is right there. Awesome. Very nice.Ari Gronich 1:04:08 Thank you so much for being here. Richard. This has been another episode of create a new tomorrow. I am your host, Ari Gronich, and we will create a new tomorrow today every day and activate our vision for a better world. Please do remember to LIKE subscribe, rate review comment so that we can start conversations that matter and help you to create your new tomorrow today. Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. 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Hi, I am here with Richard Flint. He is the author of 19 books and speaker, trainer and coach to over 10,000 individuals, he have dedicated his life to helping others break free and create the life of their dreams, Specializing in the training and development of individuals, companies and associations.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY RICHARD FLINT FOR MORE INFOhttps://www.richardflint.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.SHOW LESSg and development of individuals, companies and associations.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Richard Flint 0:13 And, you know, children, that what they learn in life is what they get from their parents. And I spent years trying to prove to my mother she was wrong. And when I was a sophomore in college, I went home to confront my mom and dad. When my mom saw me, she walked out the back door of the house, got in her car and drove off. Never said word to me. But that was one of the greatest freedom points I've ever had in my life. Because it showed me nothing I could ever do. would earn her love.
Hi, I am here with Eric Dagati. HE is the Founder and Director of ONE Human Performance. Eric has spent the past 20 years in the fitness industry as a coach, trainer and instructor, pioneering his unique approach to client assessment, performance enhancement and injury prevention. Eric studied Exercise Physiology at William Paterson University and, in addition, has had the good fortune over the years of learning directly from some of the greatest minds in the industry, including Gray Cook, Charles Poliquin, Mike Clark and Paul Chek.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE OF ERIC DAGATI FOR MORE INFOhttps://www.functionalmovement.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:07 Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host, Ari Gronich. And I have with me Eric Dagati. And Eric is a performance trainer. He's physical athletic performance, injury prevention, management and rehab, systematic approach to health and wellness. He's spent the last 20 years in the industry training and pioneering his unique approach to assessment, performance enhancement, injury prevention, etc. Each year, he travels the world teaching and speaking trainers, coaches, therapists, as well as training clients that include Olympic gold medalists, Gatorade, and energy players of the year all Americans, national champions, World Series champions and Pro Bowl athletes. It's quite a resume you have very, very astute kind of resume, why don't you tell the audience a little bit about yourself how you got to this place where you are the man behind the men and womenEric Dagati 1:17 got it? Oh, thank you for having me here. So, like you said a little over 20 years ago got involved in in helping people get better on the initially just on the physical side. And then I realized that there was a lot more to it than that. And that's kind of what started my journey of kind of finding a system that works to getting people to be their best. And along that way, I've gotten to do some pretty cool things, like you mentioned. And, and with that, to this day, still accumulating more and more information that can kind of make that system work a little bit better. And, and having this growth mindset of saying okay, well, if there's something that can allow one of my clients, one of my teams to be able to be better tomorrow from this, or even if it's a better way of delivering that information. That's kind of what I've been gaining over the over the last 20 plus years of doing that. And that's kind of what gets me to where I am now.Ari Gronich 2:17 Awesome. So what do you think, is the biggest deficiencies that you've seen in, you know, the training, the teaching the educational side? That that's kind of given you an opportunity to have a career because you're filling a gap. Right? So what's that gap that you're filling? And why do you think that the industry hasn't kind of, let's say, made it with the times, come up with, you know, the present moment? Why do you think it's taken them so long?Eric Dagati 2:54 I think a lot of the dogmatic way in which we're taught on whether it's on the, the clinical side of rehab, or whether it's on the training side of performance is it's a lot of this for that mentality, right? So if it's someone on the rehab side that okay, well, if, if they can't perform this movement, this is tight, and this is weak. On the performance side, well, if they can't do this, well, then you got to do these exercises. And I wish it was that simple. And early on, it was a lot of that it was it was fine, a problem prescribed, you know, something specific for it. And that works to a certain extent, but unless you really get a full grasp on the whole picture, you end up missing out on a lot of things.Ari Gronich 3:40 Again, I get that, you know, here's a question that I have. And it's something that I see in the industry quite a bit. And that is a failure to diagnose meaning the assessment system that were trained in, originally and what is used mostly, are things like visual assessments, very brief, conversational moments, especially if you're a trainer, you're literally you know, do a 1015 minute conversation and then try to sell a package right, instead of doing a deep diagnostic and so, the question becomes, as you just started, you know, saying you had to explore things further. So, what are the assessments that you have chosen to do the way that you choose to do diagnostics so that you can get a better starting place?Eric Dagati 4:46 Okay, so the, the, the initial starting place is that is just that conversation and the art of that conversation and you can and how do you do that right and and if your motive is selling a training package then you're already off base. But but the asking some Kiko, I've asked like the same six key questions for 20 years, but where it's taken the journey for each individual that's come in the door has been completely unique. And the first question is something as simple as like, why are you here? What is your primary goal? Instead of me trying to sell you on what I do? Why are you even here? And and figure out, Okay, and then keep asking why, like a two year old is okay, well, I'm here because I want to I want to be faster, faster for what? Who's chasing you? Right? And so okay, well, faster, because I'm a football player. Okay, well, what position do you play in? Okay, well, what do you think's holding you back from that speeding, keep asking those questions? And then And then from there, we can start to open up some doors of conversation to say, Okay, well, now I got to look at to see, are those really the reasons?Ari Gronich 5:51 Awesome, you know, I have things like client contracts and obligations that they have to meet when I'm working with them. So sounds to me, like, you're definitely doing the things to get people on board with their own healing. I guess my my questions are a little more systematic versus, you know, your particular system, like the systems that we experience on a day to day basis. Now, why? Why do you have a job as a specialist training, the people who are really the day to day people that are working with these elite athletes? And I asked this actually have a couple of my Olympic clients, when I interviewed them as well on on the podcast, like, why did you need me? Why was why was I, somebody you couldn't get in all of the, with all the people that are there specifically for you?Eric Dagati 7:02 I think a lot of that comes back to it. First, it was about them. Right? I had two pro baseball players in this morning. And they said they went to another facility last year for training. And they, they were told that this was going to be a completely individualized program. And it was all based exactly on what they needed. And then they realized about a week or two, when that they were doing the same program as every other high school kid in the place. And that every time that we're doing something, they can make a connection to something that they've that either we discovered in the assessment or that they've even told me, and that it's making that connection. So there's that realization that this is not training to get good at training, this is training to get good. And this is good specifically for what you need.Ari Gronich 7:49 That's awesome. You know, I believe that program design and development is probably the number one biggest thing that helps a trainer and athlete a patient anatomy of any kind, and that it is probably the least done in the industry, the least thing done, it will help it would help the most. And it's the least thing done. Like I can remember, just in my own personal experiences going after car accidents, or after injuries to therapists, chiropractors, pts, etc. And no one spoke to each other. No one had conversations about care, nobody actually created a plan of care. It was it's always just been Oh, come in, we'll see what we can do today. And then come in tomorrow, we'll Oh, well, you know, we'll we'll just do what we can. And it's never been a here's where we're going. This is the plan. This is why and now we're off on this adventure together of fulfilling the plan, right?Eric Dagati 9:11 Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I used to have a criteria when I, I own my own multi disciplinary facility for 12 years. And then I got kind of too busy with consulting and doing that kind of stuff. So I moved on, but when I did, I had a staff of eight trainers. And so to make sure that we kept the brand true and that the level of care up. You know, one of the things that we say is that you are not here to show exercises, I said you can get that for free at YouTube. No one needs to pay for that.Ari Gronich 9:42 Yeah, you know, not only to them, but to yourself. You're you're doing an injustice to yourself, because if you're settling for less than what you're capable of, then you're basically allowing yourself to have stunted growth?Eric Dagati 10:01 Yeah, well, and then not only that, you're not really distinguishing yourself. And like, like you said about, you know, why does that certain client look me and seek me out, they drive past a lot of gyms and trainers to get to me that are a lot easier, you know, made cheaper and more, you know, more local to where they are, but they're not going to get that. And so unless you're willing to distinguish yourself, and that also means you're putting yourself out there a little bit. And that's the same thing goes with the assessment is to say, if I'm going to tell you, we're doing this to improve this, and it doesn't, well, that's me putting it out there. That's where I want to have the confidence that I can get you there. And if I also don't have the ego to say, well, we tried this and it didn't work. That's not the path. Let's quickly scrap that. And let's go to something else. And that's okay.Ari Gronich 10:48 So we've kind of gone through some of how an audience member might choose differently when they're choosing their therapists or trainers or people. What's the number one thing that you might say to a trainer, therapist person, if they're operating under the standards of care. And they are afraid of moving away from that in order to actually get results because of being investigated or having licenses looked at? I know a lot of chiropractors have moved under that functional medicine by taking away their DC and and joining organizations like the pastoral Medical Association, for instance, in order to basically shift their liabilities. But what would you say to somebody who is looking at the system and going, this is not working. And I really like to see it change, because I do like activists.Eric Dagati 12:03 So I think the more you can prove that you can get to the same point faster, it's going to leave you time to do those types of things that you want. And not so much to your point in the scope of practice. But But let's say if you get really good at at at your assessment piece, and the ability to kind of ascertain what someone needs, you can sharpshooter much more what it is that you want to do in terms of treatment. So, you know, it goes back to you know, Abraham Lincoln said, if he gave me, you know, five hours to cut down the tree, I'm going to spend the first four and a half sharpening the blade. And so if you can really dial in your assessment, while the the therapist of the table next to me or the trainer on the floor next to me is spending three weeks trying to figure out how to address this issue, I get it done in three days. Because I took more time off, I invested the time up front, and I was able to shark shoot as opposed to taking the shotgun approach to everything. Now what that does is the other 27 days are that I have that you don't have that you were kind of fumbling in doing trial and error. It gives me the freedom to do a lot more things.Ari Gronich 13:16 Anyway, I really appreciate you coming on helping helping to expose some of this stuff. You know, why don't you tell us a little bit about how people could get ahold of you if they'd like to. And any tips or tricks I know you've started you know, stated a number of them but any tips or tricks for helping create a new tomorrow today?Eric Dagati 13:37 Yeah. Well, in terms of finding, finding me can just the easiest place to just go to my website, which is Eric Dagati.com And then you have all my social media and so forth that you can find on there. And feel free to reach out with any questions directly through that. And then in terms of any tips is I go back to those what I call the three big things of move, fuel and reset, and don't lose sight of those. And if you if you're not where you want to be there's there's something missing in one of those three buckets, if not all of them. And we can get away with having something missing in some of those buckets if we're strong enough in the other two to make up for. But you can't drain all three of those. And so looking at making sure do I move well, and if I do move well, do I move enough? If or do I not move well, but I move too much. Right? Any one of those combat combinations is not good. And then the second is is fuel What am I putting into my body whether it's a whether it's what I eat, what I drink or what i what i think and listen to an experience and expose myself to because that all leaves an imprint just like every cell in your body is made out of amino acids from the proteins and and glycogen from from these sugars and fatty acids and cholesterol from your fats, all your cells are a byproduct of what's your fuel is. And the same thing goes for what's going on, on a larger scale with your spirit, and that's fuel that you put in into your head. And then the last piece is you're giving yourself a chance to reset. And then with that reset, that reset doesn't always have to be an external thing. It's meaning that a reset doesn't mean that I go to a cryo tank every day or I got a couple $100 massage gun or both things not that that's necessarily a bad thing. But if you're constantly relying on those, you're probably you know, off somewhere else. That Am I sleeping, right? And am I getting the right reset? Am I breathing right? Even those those simple things, if you can check those boxes, then a lot of the other stuff falls into place. So establishing the right habits and those three categories i think is the biggest thing to get started and then you want to get down into the weeds, we can certainly do that, but not until you've checked those three boxes first. Awesome.Ari Gronich 16:05 Thank you so much, Eric, for coming on for providing the audience with your education, your wisdom and and I look forward to seeing what you create in in our industry and the movement that develops because you're teaching this kind of system and this kind of care to our industry. So thank you very much for that.Unknown Speaker 16:31 I appreciate the opportunity.Ari Gronich 16:33 Absolutely. Remember to like subscribe, rate review, comment below so we can create conversations that matter and create a new tomorrow today activate our vision for a better world. I am your host are Ari Gronich and this has been another episode. Thank you so much for being here.
Hi, I am here with Eric Dagati. HE is the Founder and Director of ONE Human Performance. Eric has spent the past 20 years in the fitness industry as a coach, trainer and instructor, pioneering his unique approach to client assessment, performance enhancement and injury prevention. Eric studied Exercise Physiology at William Paterson University and, in addition, has had the good fortune over the years of learning directly from some of the greatest minds in the industry, including Gray Cook, Charles Poliquin, Mike Clark and Paul Chek.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE OF ERIC DAGATI FOR MORE INFOhttps://www.functionalmovement.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:00 I'm Ari Gronich, and this is create a new tomorrow podcast.Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host, Ari Gronich. And I have with me Eric Dagati. And Eric is a performance trainer. He's physical athletic performance, injury prevention, management and rehab, systematic approach to health and wellness. He's spent the last 20 years in the industry training, and pioneering his unique approach to assessment, performance enhancement, injury prevention, etc. Each year, he travels the world teaching and speaking trainers, coaches, therapists, as well as training clients that include Olympic gold medalists, Gatorade, and energy players of the year all Americans, national champions, World Series champions and Pro Bowl athletes. It's quite a resume you have very, very astute kind of resume, why don't you tell the audience a little bit about yourself how you got to this place where you are the man behind the men and womenEric Dagati 1:25 got it? Oh, thank you for having me here. So like you said a little over 20 years ago got involved in in helping people get better on the initially just on the physical side, and then realizing there's a lot more to it than that. And that's kind of what started my journey of kind of finding a system that works to getting people to be their best. And along that way, I've gotten to do some pretty cool things like you mentioned. And, and with that, to this day, still accumulating more and more information that can kind of make that system work a little bit better. And, and having this growth mindset of saying okay, well, if there's something that can allow one of my clients, one of my teams to be able to be better tomorrow from this, or even if it's a better way of delivering that information. That's kind of what I've been gaining over the over the last 20 plus years of doing that. And that's kind of what gets me to where I am now.Ari Gronich 2:26 Awesome. So what do you think, is the biggest deficiencies that you've seen in, you know, the training, the teaching the educational side? That that's kind of given you an opportunity to have a career because you're filling a gap. Right? So what's that gap that you're filling? And why do you think that the industry hasn't kind of, let's say, made it with the times, come up with, you know, the present moment? Why do you think it's taken them so long?Eric Dagati 3:03 I think a lot of the dogmatic way in which we're taught on whether it's on the, the clinical side of rehab, or whether it's on the training side of performance is it's a lot of this for that mentality, right? So if it's someone on the rehab side that okay, well, if, if they can't perform this movement, this is tight, and this is weak. On the performance side, well, if they can't do this, well, then you got to do these exercises. And I wish it was that simple. And early on, it was a lot of that it was it was fine, a problem prescribe, you know, something specific for it. And that works to a certain extent. But unless you really get a full grasp on the whole picture, you end up missing out on a lot of things. And so you can get down into some deep rabbit holes, whether it's, I'm getting wrapped up in, you know, when I initially started, I had these hour and a half evaluations, and I chase everything that I found that was off. And if you didn't have exactly how many degrees of external rotation in your shoulder, I was going to fix that. And then I realized that you know what, that didn't matter if this person couldn't even touch your toes, right? If there was bigger things that I needed to do in terms of a checklist in terms of checking boxes to make sure, where do I even start and I was missing, I was missing big stuff to chase after little stuff. And we can get down that road. Because Listen, I you know, I've gotten to work with some of the best in the world. And none of them are perfect. But we sometimes let perfect get in the way of good. And so being able to know how to have that checklist and have that systematic way to look at say, Okay, I got to start here first before I worry about that. And then I may never need to worry about that. And so I think getting away from that disk for that and having looking at the individual in front of you, and going through a checklist of some big things first, and say Can they do these things and then I'll worry about if those little things That I that are deep in the textbooks have to even be worried about right now.Ari Gronich 5:06 Again, I get that, you know, here's a question that I have. And it's something that I see in the industry quite a bit. And that is a failure to diagnose meaning the assessment system that were trained in, originally, and what is used mostly, are things like visual assessments, very brief, conversational moments, especially if you're a trainer, you're literally, you know, do a 1015 minute conversation and then try to sell a package, right? Instead of doing a deep diagnostic. And so, the question becomes, as you just started, you know, saying, you had to explore things further. So what are the assessments that you have chosen to do the way that you choose to do diagnostics so that you can get a better starting place?Eric Dagati 6:12 Okay, so the, the initial starting place is that is just that conversation and the art of that conversation. And you can and how do you do that? Right? And, and if your motive is selling a training package, then you're already off base. But but the asking some Kiko, I've asked like the same six key questions for 20 years, but where it's taken, the journey for each individual that's come in the door has been completely unique. And the first question is something as simple as like, why are you here? What is your primary goal? Instead of me trying to sell you on what I do? Why are you even here? and figure out okay, and then keep asking why, like a three year old is okay, well, I'm here because I want to I want to be faster, faster for what? Who's chasing you? Right? And so okay, well, faster, because I'm a football player. Okay, well, what position do you play in? Okay, well, what do you think's holding you back from that speed? And keep asking those questions? And then And then from there, we can start to open up some doors or conversation to say, Okay, well, now I got to look at to see are those really the reasons? Meaning that first I'm going to look at is how do you move on a fundamental level with something as basic as a functional movement screen to say, Do you at least cover your basis as a human being as a, as someone that needs to be able to do some basic things in terms of move from your hips move from your upper body, to be able to step to be able to lunge to be able to squat? And and if you can cover those fundamentals? Okay, well, that box is checked, I don't need to get your perfect, but that's probably not your issue. And do you have at least you know, movement competency? And then from there, then we can start looking at some, some other factors, whether it's performance factors, and looking at your your power and your motor control and your ability to have lasticity and impact control and work capacity, or is it a body composition issue, right. And if you want to get faster, well, that doesn't move all that fast up. If we can get you leaner, you might get faster, and you never end up doing a single speed drill. And then we like to look at and open up the doors at a conversation to the the next question that I asked to say, Okay, well, we train do we build up or break down and I literally had a high school quarterback. And last night, for the first time asked this question nine times out of 10, they say, Well, I build up and I said, try again, the whole reason this works is you challenge yourself, your body goes, Oh my gosh, I don't know what I just did. But you're going to have to get better for it. Now, it's my job to figure out what those things are and how much of that we give to you. But that's the magic is not happening here. We're just kind of planting seeds. It's the other 23 hours a day that that magic happens. And that comes down to recovery. And so I could give you the greatest program in the world. But if you're up all night playing fortnight or eating Twizzlers, and drinking Red Bull, we pretty much wasted our time. So we have to make sure that we support that with the right recovery. And then getting them to understand that this is this is on them. And the analogy that I use, okay, we're going to, I'm going to show you, I'm going to give you the right seats and tell you where to plant them. But you're the farmer from here on it, it's on you to plant those to harvest those seeds. I can't go home and do your exercises for you. I can't tell you when to go to bed or I'm not going to, you know be in your kitchen serving your meals and getting the onus on the individual. And making them part of that journey, I think is an empowering thing I want to do early on. And so when they can see that and then having the assessment to tie into it is to say okay, well, you couldn't touch your toes when you came in. We just did these three drills with you and now you can, okay, so we know these work. So if you do those every day, imagine how much better you're going to move. Alright, so you're going to do those every day till the next time I see you and then when you come in as long as you touch your toes. Now we've checked that box and now we're gonna move on to the next thing. So that'd be assessment. Men, as well as the conversation all lead to this empowerment of getting them to take personal responsibility for their own performance and well being.Ari Gronich 10:11 Awesome, you know, I have things like client contracts and obligations that they have to meet when I'm working with them. So sounds to me like, you're definitely doing things to get people on board with their own healing. I guess my my questions are a little more systematic versus, you know, your particular system, like the systems that we experience on a day to day basis. Now, why? Why do you have a job as a specialist training, the people who are really the day to day people that are working with these elite athletes? And I asked this actually have a couple of my Olympic clients, when I interviewed them as well on on the podcast, like, why did you need me? Why was why was I, somebody you couldn't get in all of the, with all the people that are there specifically for you.Eric Dagati 11:23 I think a lot of that comes back to a first it was about them. Right? I had two pro baseball players in this morning. And they said they went to another facility last year for training. And they say they were told that this was going to be a completely individualized program. And it was all based exactly on what they needed. And then they realized about a week or two, when that they were doing the same program as every other high school kid in the place. And that every time that we're doing something, they can make a connection to something that they've that either we discovered in the assessment or that they've even told me, and that it's making that connection. So there's that realization that this is not training to get good at training, this is training to get good. And this is good specifically for what you need. And that's really where they're getting that that attention that some people may not have, if you don't have that skill set, then they're just going to go in and get another, you know, rote training program. And that I have, I've kind of challenged myself to say, I want to, I want to make sure that there's never going to be an individual that I ever see that I can't make better in some way, shape, or form. And so because of that, I always want to be able to give you something that you didn't have yesterday. And so when athletes see that they can say okay, I can see where this is going, I can see that this is a journey, this isn't a workout, this is a journey. And they can see that this leads to this leads to this. And it's based on this, and this is going to be our checks and balances. And that's where they're they're, they're getting something that they're not getting elsewhere, because it's not about a workout.Ari Gronich 13:00 That's awesome. You know, I believe that program design and development is probably the number one biggest thing that helps a trainer and athlete, a patient and any of any kind, and that it is probably the least done in the industry, the least thing done, it will help it would help the most. And it's the least thing done. Like I can remember, just in my own personal experiences going after car accidents, or after injuries to therapists, chiropractors, pts, etc. And no one spoke to each other. No one had conversations about care, nobody actually created a plan of care. It was it's always just been a come in, we'll see what we can do today. And then come in tomorrow we'll Oh, well, you know, we'll we'll just do what we can. And it's never been a here's where we're going. This is the plan. This is why and now we're off on this adventure together of fulfilling the plan, right?Eric Dagati 14:22 Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I used to have a criteria when I, I own my own multi disciplinary facility for 12 years. And then I got kind of too busy with consulting and doing that kind of stuff. So I moved on, but when I did, I had a staff of eight trainers. And so to make sure that we kept the brand true and that the level of care up. You know, one of the things I always say is that you are not here to show exercises. I said you can get that for free at YouTube. No one needs to pay for that. And that if at any point, your client should ask you why are we doing this and you can't give them a Clear, cogent solid reason that ties specifically do their goal, then they should be able to walk out the door and get their money back. And so you have to really know in your heart that everything you're doing has purpose. And you can stand on the table and defend that purpose. Now, what I did five years ago, this goes probably for all of us. And this is what I did five years ago, certainly not what I would do today, what I did probably five months ago, wouldn't be what I would do today. But what I'm going to give you today is the best of my, of my knowledge for where you're at, and where you want to get to. And I can stand behind that wholeheartedly. And so if you don't have that, and you're just showing exercises, and you're kind of throwing that this for that against the wall, it's really doing an injustice to your clients and patients.Ari Gronich 15:44 Yeah, you know, not only to them, but to yourself, you're you're doing an injustice to yourself, because if you're settling for less than what you're capable of, then you're basically allowing yourself to have stunted growth.Eric Dagati 16:04 Yeah, well, and then not only that, you're not really distinguishing yourself. And like, like you said about, you know, why does that certain client look, you know, seek me out, they drive past a lot of gyms and trainers to get to me that are a lot easier, you know, made cheaper and more, you know, more local to where they are, but they're not going to get that. And so unless you're willing to distinguish yourself. And that also means you're putting yourself out there a little bit. And that's the same thing goes with the assessment is to say, if I'm going to tell you, we're doing this to improve this, and it doesn't, well, that's me putting it out there, that's where I want to have the confidence that I can get you there. And if I also don't have the ego to say, well, we tried this and it didn't work. That's not the path, let's quickly scrap that and let's go to something else. And that's okay. Right. And sometimes in our industry, we have too much of an ego to say that I did something that didn't work, I'm I'm okay with that. And that we learn from making mistakes, and we just have to make sure we don't stay on that mistake for too long.Ari Gronich 17:06 Yeah, you know, the way that we distinguish ourselves from being a commodity that is traded based on, you know, the cheapest cost, we want to be known as the results, the people who get those results, the people in the community who actually care about the people that are paying us and coming to see us. And in our industry, we've gotten to this place, it seems where it's kind of like an assembly line, you know, you have a time limit on the amount of time that you get to train with somebody, and even if you're not done, being fixed or bettered or whatever, it's okay, we're time's up, we're done for now. And so you have to come back and have to come back more, you know, it's like this assembly line has really affected our bottom line as far as results. So what do you think the future entails for, you know, for our industry, having, you know, in one that created such abysmal results, you know, in the in the recent past?Eric Dagati 18:29 So, I think, I think the more that you can show the art of what you do, as opposed to just the assembly line, as you said, is that, you know, I have a personal speaking with yesterday, he was interested in training, and they said, Well, you know, how many months and how many sessions I said, Well, here's how it works, is that I don't know what I'm gonna do with you, I have no idea. You can tell me what your goal is, but I don't know what it is that you need. And then the only way to figure that out is through the assessment. So the only thing you're committed to is the assessment. And then I'm going to teach you your program. And then from there, it's up to you how much you need me to execute that program. I know that program will get you to where you need to go. But how much you need me that's that's really up to you. I don't know that. So some people see me five days a week, some people see me once a month. I'm not here to do it, where you're here, I'm here for only what you need before. And in the end. Now I use tons of analogies. And I say if your goal would be like of what you want to accomplish would be like building a dream house, you're coming to me as the architect to say this is all the things I want in that dream house. I'm gonna put together the plan. But I don't have to hang every I don't have to I don't have the ego that I have to hang every wall up or run every wire or every pipe that if you have someone that can do that, or you can do it on your own even better. But I'm going to be here and if you need me to teach you the first time around, I can do that. And then from there, eventually I want to build that independence to where I'm here. Just here. For that, I'm telling you where to plant the seeds in which sees us, you have to learn to be that farmer and you have to learn to kind of grow with that. And so that that right there is a is a thing that that a lot of trainers and therapists are afraid of, because they said, Well, how do you get repeat business? Because you're good, and people talk about it and they come back, if you're locked into the only way I'll get them to come back is I kind of block them in for 1030 sessions, then that's, that's a very short sighted way of looking at things.Ari Gronich 20:30 Yeah. I'll just tell a quick little story, I had a client who had come to me after three years of going to a local chiropractor, who was, you know, in the area considered to be the the top notch chiropractor. And after three years of going to him, getting no benefit for massive sciatica pain. And in three sessions, I had him back to no pain. So we took three years, condensed it into three sessions. And then I started asking him questions, because as you said, questions are King. And the question was, okay, now that you're not in pain anymore, what would you like to accomplish? And this question that I asked kinda in my world has always taking care of the fear that you just stated, which is the fear of Where are you going to get new clients from or how they're going to come back to you? Well, I basically asked him the question, what what do you want to accomplish next? What's your what's the thing that if you could do this would make your life amazing, and he had been an extreme athlete when he was younger. And so, you know, he didn't want to do you know, jumps off a second storey balconies and things like that on his rollerblades, but he wanted to train for American Ninja Warrior. So okay, great. We created the plan, we started, the program dropped 50 pounds off his body in like no time. And all of a sudden, everybody was saying to him, Wow, you look different. Where did what happened with you? And then he would say, well, I've been working with this guy. Right? So that's how you get new business is being good at what you do, not just bringing in new leads. So one of the things I've actually said to marketing companies that that are promoting, we get you leads we get you leads is that do? Do the people you're getting leads? Do they deserve them? Are they going to give the people that are coming to them the benefit and the results that they want? Because otherwise, you should probably have me work with them first, so I can make sure they get top notch results. Now we can have add you to that list as well. Right.Eric Dagati 23:14 So they I think part of the problem is that the expectations of the person that walks in a PT clinic or walks into a gym are so low, that that I think a lot of the industry is has dropped down to that level as opposed to risen above it. And so when people walk into a gym, and I'll say, you know, one of the questions, I'll ask you those questions up front, and I'll say, How do you know you get a good workout? And the two answers I'll get 99% of the time is I sweat a lot, it was really hard. And so if that's your only criteria, anybody could do that, you know, can I tell you what come to my house this afternoon, you can shovel my driveway, you'll sweat a lot, it'll be really hard. So that's where the criteria is. And then the same price on the flip side on the on the clinical side, is that people, you know, go in and when they don't feel better. It's like, Oh, it's probably something I did. Or it's probably, you know, I have, you know, one of these labels that was slapped on him, I have a herniated disc, or I have whatever. And then you do a little education saying, Well, you know, like, 95% of the people have a disc herniation why is it that you her? And then why is that other people are getting better? And you're not? And they don't think to ask that question. The bar has been set so low and, you know, always, you know, set it say to my clients, when they're like, wow, that feels a lot better. I was like, well, that's what it's supposed to do. You know, and I joke I said, don't get don't get surprised when it works. I said be upset when it doesn't. I said we need to set the bar a little bit higher as far as what your expectation is, you came in to me to get better. And we need to agree on what that means. And then every time you walk in, you should get better. And so if we're not doing that, then we need to change The plan, but the the bar has been set so low and a lot of the industry sees that and they say, Well, I can crank out more sessions or more more patient visits or, or more classes because they don't expect much I can bring them in, put a whitener your workout up on the whiteboard, beat the crap out of them, send them on their way and let the next group come in. And, you know, and that's going to end up leading to a lot of volume initially, but there's nothing really special that you're not that you're giving that anybody else isn't giving. But you've you've raised your quality level down to what the expectations are, as opposed the other way around.Ari Gronich 25:34 Yeah, you know, I could go on about our educational system in general that has done that with our kids. And, you know, like, just industry after industry after industry that I see, that seems to have lowered the bar and the expectations and then lower the bar, and then expectations and then lower the bar and then expectations to the point where we really don't care so much about the results. Because I think that there's a sense that of hopelessness, that it's never going to get better and that this is just the way it is. And that goes along with people experiencing cancer, heart disease, diabetes, obesity, etc. And just assuming that this is the way it's always got to be. And we do nothing about fixing the systems that get us there.Eric Dagati 26:39 And that's really your that's the paradigm in which in which you see if there is a professional and you know, there's an old fable two salesmen that go out and they go out in the middle of a tribal area, and they, they're selling shoes, and they call back to the office. And the first guy says, This is terrible. These tribes, they don't wear any shoes, we're not gonna make any money here. And the second salesman calls back says, this is a goldmine, no one has shoes, we're gonna make a killing here, right? So if you can be that, that that trainer, that therapist, that coach that can distinguish yourself, there is so much out there, alright to be had. Because what you have is you have a, you have this perfect storm of people who are more and more sedentary however more and more lifestyle diseases they have, but they have more and more disposable income. And there are more discerning client than the guys I was walking into a gym with the first time I walked into a gym, you know, 3540 years ago, is that you have clients who are who are sharp enough that are business people that are that are savvy people and experienced people that know the difference that if you can show them that difference, that they will be loyal to you forever. And if you can be the person that can have the gym where people doesn't, people don't get hurt, right? Where you can be that, that that clinician that, hey, not only did they get me out of pain, but he actually got me back on my skis, he actually got me back to, to where I can play with my grandkids again, and actually made it about me and got me to another place beyond just the lowest common denominator, there is so much out there for you that you should never have to even worry about a lead generation.Ari Gronich 28:31 That that is that is true. I agree. There's plenty to be had. If, if you know how to get the job done and get that word out about it. I believe that the industry needs a little bit of a revolution. And one of my feelings is that there's a set of of modalities in the industry that need to combine. And if I'm going to be honest about it, I think that chiropractors physical therapists, massage therapists, deos and athletic trainers and personal trainers need to actually be taught all the same stuff and combined into one cohesive industry or modality or profession. Because the body is not separated into joints, muscles, nerves, bones, it's all one unit and we treat the body currently with the separation. So you have a chiropractor who will adjust you and then you know you go and you sit in your car and you twist and 10 minutes later you're out of place. So you go to the massage therapist who starts working on the muscles right By then your bones are already back out of place, then you got to go to the PT to do the joint work. And then you got to find the personal trainer. So you could actually train to get stronger. And I just it's, it seems to me kind of asinine that you'd have to do all of this separate work, go to four or five different offices, fill out four or five different kinds of forms, take four or five different tests with doctors and practitioners who are not talking to each other, right? And then assume that you're going to get the results that you want to get, and that we're going to give the results that they that people deserve. So what do you think of that theory of mine?Eric Dagati 30:45 So 18 years ago, is when I opened up my facility, and my vision was that under the same roof, we would have chiropractors, physical therapists, nutrition, yoga. And we did we had, as well as personal trainers, strength and conditioning coaches. And that was my vision. And when I started it, it was, you know, unheard of like, nobody was really thinking of that in the early 2000s. And then what's happened is, you've seen now where you have these multidisciplinary centers, but like you said, it is more of a farmers market of Okay, there's the butcher there, there's the fish market here, there's the vegetables here, but nobody is telling me, Hey, here's how you make the meal. Here's what you need from this, here's we need from that and not not having that communication. That was something I was very big on. And that's why I think there definitely needs to be a lot more cross communication, a lot more cross cross breeding of the education between there. And the the, the fear that that I think a lot of people have initially is to say, Oh, well, that's going to, that's going to infringe on my turf, or it's going to think it's going to make trainers think and this happened when I was taking all PT when I was taking PT courses, and I'm learning surely Sargon and Vladimir yonder, and I'm learning this stuff. And people are saying, well, you're a trainer while you're doing that, and you want to be a physical therapist, I said, No, I want to know what I need. Or I don't want to know when it when it gets to the edge of my, my scope? And then what then what do i do and who do I call. And so that's why I want to know enough to know when I need someone for this and that it's out of my scope. So if anything, it keeps me inside my guard rails more than anything else. So having that mutual respect to say, Look, I've gotten to the point where I have a stuck SI joint, I can't move that thing. That's not for me to do. So if you could do that, I can do some stuff. Once it's moving, that that'll kind of keep it from going back there. And we can meet back in the middle and talk shop on that. So I am I am of wholehearted belief that we definitely need to drop down those those boundaries a whole lot more. And we can get a lot more done. And if the initial fear again is, Hey, I'm going to lose business from this. But yeah, I've never worked with a another referral source if I'm referring to a PT Cairo, whoever it may be, that when we've had conversations, and we've done this type of no look pass through each other. That wasn't I didn't get more referrals from that then then the other way around.Ari Gronich 33:25 Yeah, you know, I was known as, I guess the chiropractor's chiropractor in LA, I had, I think somewhere close to 5060 chiropractors, that all would come to me. And I'm not a chiropractor. And that was really fascinating. And then the next part that was fascinating is maybe two or three of them ever sent me clientele. They all wanted me to work on them, but send me clientele, ah, because of this fear. And I just I think frankly, the fear is silly because you can have 10 chiropractors on the same street in LA and you're still not going to even come close to matching, you know, population density here, or you know what you need to I there's just I don't have any clients available. There's none available. Now. There's plenty of them available, whether it's the main streets of LA or the main streets of you know, Salem, Oregon, doesn't really matter, middle of nowhere, everywhere. There's plenty of clients for people you know, to get. But do you deserve them? Are you going to be good enough? And I guess the place where integrated clinics to me are necessary, but have fallen short is in their communication. Because you could go to an interdisciplinary clinic that nobody talks to each other. So the chiropractor says, Go see my massage therapist. Okay? But what is that massage therapist going to do to specifically help the chiropractor with what he needs to do or she needs to do in order to affect the results of that patient and the injury that they may have? That's the question. And so, but nobody's talking to each other. And so you go into these places, and you go to the the therapist, the chiropractor, the PT, but nobody's having, there's no cohesive plan of action that they're doing. And I think that that is because people don't speak the same language. One speaks the nerve language, one speaks the muscle language, one speaks to joint language. And if we were to bring our professions together more, then we might get better outcomes from them. And that doesn't mean like you said, that you have to be the jack of all trades, it means you need to know enough about the body that you're affecting, to know if what you're affecting, is going to negatively affect something else.Unknown Speaker 36:25 Right.Eric Dagati 36:26 So to steal from Kelly Starrett, he calls, he calls it being a savage generalist of what he sees really being the, the the leader of the future in our field and being able to, to not just be a mile deep, but also be a mile wide. And you know, David Epstein's book range, he talks about this and you can have, you know, if you have that multidisciplinary center where nobody's communicating, it's like, five, six people digging these parallel tunnels, but they never poke their head up to see where the the person next so they can, if they just were to join forces, they wouldn't have to, they can get a lot more done in less time. So having that ability to, to know a little bit outside of where you're at. And not this is where I was talking about where we can get so deep down a rabbit hole of talking about and I deal a lot with, with baseball athletes, and we get into the, into the minutiae, sometimes about pitchers exact degrees of hip rotation, when they when we're missing a bigger picture that this Okay, this person is, this guy's, you know, 25% body fat and, and has breathing issues and doesn't sleep and has other issues that are much bigger problems. That's not to say that, that hip rotation is not important. It's just not our primary thing right now. And so if I can get a more global approach first, sometimes a lot of those local things clean up. And that's what we kind of started as people when we do like some movement, work with them. And and we'll say, Okay, I could find 20 things wrong with you on an evaluation. But we can maybe do one toe touch drill, one breathing drill, and five of those things clear up without even directly working on that any of those things. And that's what kind of gets people to see if there's a global system that kind of overrides all of this. And like you said, it, we're not just a bunch of wires and parts, it would make our lives a lot easier, quite frankly, if you could. But this is a human dynamic that we're dealing with. It's that there's a that there's a, you know, there's a structural side, too, but there's also a physiological chemical side to and there's a mental spiritual side to that. And all those things interact. And you can't necessarily undo some of those things with structural approaches. So we have to kind of appreciate that. There's the big picture, the holistic view of it.Ari Gronich 38:57 Yeah, absolutely. I appreciate that. And so here's my, my question. This is, this is a game we're gonna play for the next few minutes. Okay. It's the game of solving the world problem. Amen. So, we have this problem where obesity, disease, inflammation, health has gone out of control. This is, this is a scenario that I'm going to call a false scenario, even though it's true. Okay, so we have this scenario. And all of the people have been brainwashed to think that the thing that's going to solve their issue is the thing that is going to hurt them and the thing that's going to hurt them is the thing that's going to solve their issue. For example, sugar versus fat, right? That bad sugar good. This is what people have been told for, you know, lots of years. So we're gonna just kind of name that. So somebody comes into you into see you that has this array of issues. Okay? In five minutes, let's solve their this person's issue. So I'm going to pretend like I'm him, and I want you to pretend like you're you. And you're gonna start as IUnknown Speaker 40:37 do every day,Ari Gronich 40:39 right? You're gonna start this process because I want I want people to kind of get an idea of what they're missing when they go to people who aren't qualified.Unknown Speaker 40:50 Okay, let's have some fun. Right?Unknown Speaker 40:53 SoAri Gronich 41:01 I just knocked. Okay, I came, I came in your office. So you're starting with me?Eric Dagati 41:10 Okay, so the first question I asked every single time is what brings you here? Why are you here?Ari Gronich 41:17 Yeah, you know, I just, I've got so many things happening. I'm so stressed. And I just want to function at my peak so I can feel good.Eric Dagati 41:30 Okay, so explain what your peak is. Because a lot of people, you're going to come in today, tomorrow and yesterday with different ideas what that peak is, what does that look like for you?Ari Gronich 41:41 Yeah, you know, I don't know, I've never really been at a peak. So I'm looking forward to experiencing what a peak might look like.Eric Dagati 41:49 Okay. So So that being said, So why aren't you there now? Like, what what's the biggest thing hold you back?Ari Gronich 41:56 Well, you know, I've got this massive inflammation. I've been told I'm insulin resistance. I eat what I feel is pretty, pretty healthy and pretty good. But, you know, I don't know cuz I'm just eating what I get. But um, you know, I'm just feeling kind of foggy. Mostly.Eric Dagati 42:20 Okay. Tell me tell me Have you? You haven't really felt that peak? Have you? Have you felt anywhere closer? Anything that you felt like you're on the on the right path at any point? Like, have you done anything? That's work?Ari Gronich 42:33 No, I just always kind of have felt this low level of energy.Eric Dagati 42:37 Okay, and then have you have you done a bunch of things that haven't worked? Meaning like, if you're burying the person kind of bounces diet to diet or workout to work out? Like, tell me a little bit about the history with that?Ari Gronich 42:48 Oh, yeah. So you know, weightwatchers when I was 14, you know, I, let's see, I did the subway diet for a little bit. Tried to Atkins. I did the Paleo for a little bit. I did some intermittent fasting. I know this is not in the right order. But you know, it's just things that I tried. Definitely, definitely. I tried to be a vegan for a little while vegetarian for a while. Didn't didn't really help.Eric Dagati 43:20 Okay. Any reason why you think any of those failed, was it you think it was like a time thing? Was it discipline? Was it? What was about those things that you think didn't work?Ari Gronich 43:30 I really don't know. Okay, that's why I tried them. And when they didn't work, I stopped trying them.Eric Dagati 43:38 Got it. Alright, so and then tell me about your your history with exercise. What have you done? Anything that's worked and work things you like things you didn't like?Ari Gronich 43:46 Yeah. So I've been an athlete my whole life, but I can't really do much anymore because the injuries what kind of injuries? Yeah, shoulder injuries, back injuries, neck injuries, knee injuries, ankle injury?Eric Dagati 43:58 Do I still bother you now? Oh, yeah. And what kind of stuff makes what would make that worse?Ari Gronich 44:07 It really just depends on the minute and the motion in that minute. Or the second, you know, really, it's like the second so I could walk and be walking and be perfectly fine. And then all of a sudden I'm step and my back goes out or you know, I could be playing tennis and be perfectly fine. And then all of a sudden, I can't move.Eric Dagati 44:32 Got it. So it's it's kind of life with the fingers crossed. Sounds like pretty much Yeah, kinda want to go out and do you want to go out and exercise and do the stuff but not sure if today is going to be the day that your body will allow you to do it. Yeah, right.Ari Gronich 44:45 Exactly.Unknown Speaker 44:46 Okay, so that being said, as the first thing I want to be able to figure out is is not to tell you what to do. I want to be able to tell you what not to do. All right. And and the the first words you've ever heard of the Hippocratic Oath are do no harm. All right, and So, unfortunately, where we got into the place with with exercise is that we're getting people hurt in the gym, right? And so I want to make sure the first thing I'm able to do is get you to move without hurting, and how am I going to know how to do that, I got to figure out which movements work and which ones don't, everything you do in the life comes down to a subset of about six to eight basic movements, I want to be able to look at those movements objectively. So we put you through a quick movement screen. And then from there, I can tell which movements Do we need to either do one of three things do we need to avoid them altogether, and maybe even get them checked out, maybe this is something I can't handle, maybe it's something that we need a chiropractor or physical therapist for, or to maybe there's something that's not optimal, but I think we can make them better in terms of doing some exercises that might clean up some of those movement flaws that you may have. But at the same time, I want to see which ones are most importantly, which ones you don't have an issue with, because those are the ones we're going to train. Alright, and those are the ones we're going to actually exercise so you can come back more resilient and stronger the next time, so but I need to know what not to do in the first place. Because if you get the you know, we could have a great workout today. But if you're hurting tomorrow, you're not coming back. So that's the first thing we're gonna do. And then the second thing is we're going to look at your nutrition, the same way we look at that your movement is to say, I don't know which ones are good or bad from you, I want to look at what is what I want to look at your habits of how you're reading now. So what I'm going to do is write down everything he drank for the next three days. And then you're going to give that to me, and we'll just kind of sit down. And we're not going to fix everything and it doesn't mean you're going to eat, you know, steamed broccoli for the rest of your life, it means we're going to look at this and say, Okay, well, where's your weakest link, it may be when you eat, it may be what you eat, it may be how you combine the foods that you eat. But most of it, what we found is about habits. And so the last piece of this is that we were not going to look at this in terms of workouts, we're not going to look at this in terms of diets, right? We didn't have a lot of these things that you're talking about 1000 years ago, right, we didn't have a lot of the low back pain, we didn't have a lot of the the weight issues that we have now. But we also didn't have workouts either, right. And so we just had good habits, and whether it was movement habits, or whether it was or feeding habits, or whether it was what I call reset habits, right because there's kind of three buckets that we have to look at here. We need you to move and move well. Alright, and then once you can move well, then you can move off and which means you can go play tennis, you can go play golf everywhere, then we need to look at your fuel, right, and that's fuel that you're going to talk about that you know obviously what you're putting in your body, what you drink, what you eat the fuel, which put in your head, you know if and that's that's kind of the the mental side of things. And we're gonna affect that by the books, you read the TV, we watch the people we hang around with the things you tell yourself, you know, those are the things that are going to talk about the fuel that's going in. So we're going to look at that. And then the last piece is the reset, is that I can only push you as far as you can recover, because we already discussed before that that building doesn't happen here. The we challenge you here, you the building happens the other 23 hours I set you out on the day. So we need to make sure you get the right reset in there. And whether that's breathing, whether that's sleeping correctly, all those things are things we need to consider as well. But we're to look at, that's gonna sound overwhelming. Initially, I need to kind of get a picture of where you're at from a movement standpoint, where you're at from a fuel standpoint, and you know, the questionnaire or what have you fill out, it's gonna tell me a little about your reset standpoint. And then we're gonna see where the biggest issue is, and the big issue, then we start from there. And then we're gonna say, here's your habit for this week that you got to work on. From a movement standpoint, here's your habit, from a fuel standpoint, here's your habit from a reset standpoint. And then once you can check that box and you've you've kind of passed that lesson, then I'm going to give you another one, and I got plenty of you're never gonna run out of lessons. So we're gonna take this as far as you're willing to go. But you can't get to lesson two and two, you've passed lesson one, and that's going to be our process.Ari Gronich 49:07 Awesome. So the only thing I think that I would like to add to that, and I you know, I did this so that the audience can hear what they're missing from the people that they're going to because this is the way to do a proper assessment is take the the time and this is obviously condensed greatly, but take the time to ask these questions to provide this kind of a proper plan and explanation of the plan. But the one thing that I would add is, I always ask the questions about the person's family and the person's history emotionally with food mentally, and with with, you know, what is stopping them. I'll ask them about their family if and their friends are Their family and friends, like into barbecues every week. Are they you know, going out and drinking all the time? are they telling you? And are they, you know, basically pushing you to do and participate with them in behaviors that may not be good for you specifically. So I'll get into all of that as well. But But yeah, this is this is very good. Thank you for, for doing that and playing that game with me.Eric Dagati 50:31 Absolutely. And then and then letting them know, along that so if we look at that triad of health of chemical, mental, structural, there's things we can control. And there's things we can't structurally I'd love to be taller, it's not happening, right? But there's things we can control. And what we want to look at is what are the factors you can control? And then from there, how willing are you to establish what I call non negotiable habits to say, okay, you he that part of what my days that you're going to do this breathing exercise for 10 minutes every single day, and no, no matter it's snow, hail, sleet, rain, sun, whatever, you're going to get that 10 minutes, and then that just becomes part of what you do. And that's so different than, you know, nobody goes around complaining all day saying, brushing my teeth is killing me morning night, brushing my teeth, it just became part of an accepted non negotiable habit that you don't think of not brushing your teeth, it's just part of what you do. And then we're gonna establish habits like that for you, I don't know what the non negotiables are going to be for you. But you're going to have to decide on those and you can't let outside influences steer you off that course.Ari Gronich 51:35 Right? Well, for me non negotiable. You know, I only brush my teeth once every two months.Eric Dagati 51:45 And if that works, it's hard for me to argue with you. Yeah.Ari Gronich 51:51 So we've kind of gone through some of how an audience member might choose differently when they're choosing their therapists or trainers or people. What's the number one thing that you might say to a trainer, therapist person, if they're operating under the standards of care. And they are afraid of moving away from that in order to actually get results because of being investigated or having licenses looked at? I know a lot of chiropractors have moved under that functional medicine by taking away their DC and and joining organizations like the pastoral Medical Association, for instance, in order to basically shift their liabilities. But what would you say to somebody who is looking at the system and going, this is not working. And I'd really like to see it change, because I do like activists.Unknown Speaker 53:06 SoEric Dagati 53:07 I think the more you can prove that you can get to this same point faster, it's going to leave you time to do those types of things that you want. And not so much to your point in the scope of practice. But But let's say if you get really good at at your assessment piece, and the ability to kind of ascertain what someone needs, you can sharp shoot much more what it is that you want to do in terms of treatment. So, you know, it goes back to you know, Abraham Lincoln said, if he gave me, you know, five hours to cut down the tree, I'm gonna spend the first four and a half sharpening the blade. And so if you can really dial in your assessment, while the the therapist at the table next to me or the trainer on the floor next to me is spending three weeks trying to figure out how to address this issue, I get it done in in three days. Because I took more time off, I invested the time up front, and I was able to sharp shoot as opposed to taking the shotgun approach to everything. Now what that does is the other 27 days or that I have that you don't have that you were kind of fumbling in doing trial and error. It gives me the freedom to do a lot more things. Okay, and it gives me a freedom to do a lot more things in that. Were the biggest constraint for a lot of people is especially therapists is time will say, Well, now Yeah, I just opened up some more time for you here. Just you got to make the deal to you know, if it's the head of the clinic to say I tell you what if I can get this done and get them to where I need to, in less time, just don't shove more clients in I make more patients in my schedule more clients on my schedule. Let me use that time to do more things with them. And that's going to allow me to get them back on the skis. Get them to be able to do the things that they ultimately came here for not just to be void of their their knee pain. And the same thing goes on on the training side to say, I want to be able to say I can do a whole lot more for you than you even expected. But to do that, I have to make sure I'm really dialed in and efficient with my time. And that's meaning, I need to know how to sharp shoot this thing, and not just take the shotgun approach of this for that, and I'm gonna try out 90 different exercises today, where if I can really dial it down to the one or two that you need, that gives me the rest of the time to really to, to grow and do more different things.Ari Gronich 55:32 Yeah, test test, test, test, test, test, test, test. And then fire.Unknown Speaker 55:41 Yes. So yeah, measure toAri Gronich 55:43 measure twice, cut once, right? In our profession, it can be really devastating, to not measure first, and just fire. Right? I mean, we can cause a lot of damage. And that's, that's kind of the the last thing like, we tend to cause a lot of damage these days where, you know, you you mentioned this a little bit earlier, but we tend to cause injuries quite a bit because of our lack of ability to individualize treatments. And you know, that that's a big problem in that we're having, I mean, I know, CrossFit is getting a lot of slack for being the number one most sued system in history for injuries, but that's just one of them. I mean, we do it a lot. So how do we how do you think that we can, as an industry avoid, causing more damage than then we're solvingEric Dagati 56:50 the challenges, the damage that we're causing isn't always immediate, right? If every time you did an exercise that was inappropriate for you, you immediately need to go to the hospital, there'd be a running ambulance in front of every gym in America. But it's, it's it's not that it's, it's what happens is, is you do it, and it leaves a little bit of, you know, Chip, and then the next time it's a little bit of a chip, it's kind of like, you know, the Andy defraying, breaking out of the prison and Shawshank Redemption, it just puts a little bit takes a little bit away. And then what happens, that person goes to shovel snow, and they hurt their back and they say, Oh, I hurt my back shoveling snow, no, you hurt your back the last 20 years with your bad posture, bad habits and whatever it was. And that was the proverbial straw that broke it. And so there isn't this one to one aspect of always immediately seeing the result of our poor choices professionally, on our clients and patients. And so because of that, we assume sometimes we're doing better than we really are. And on the end user, they don't automatically make the assumption and our connection, that this is because I'm doing the wrong things in the gym, or I'm getting the wrong type of treatment. And so that's what's that's what makes it challenging is that it's not an absolute one to one immediacy of what you're seeing the results of what we're doing. And so that's where you may not even see the result of you know, it taking it to a philosophical level, that patient that you failed. Now, that is that case scenario we said before, that wants to play tennis that wants to be active. And now all of a sudden, because they failed, they take that burden on themselves, and now they become more sedentary. And that just compiles more and more different risk factors on top of that, and that, you know, I talked about that what we call a fork in the road where we get to see a lot of people. And if you can get someone like yourself from steers them on the right path, how life changing that can be. But if they go and I felt a little better, but it's not good. I just have this pinched nerve. And this is just me, this is my label, this is what I got. And then I'm just gonna let that happen to me. And then I'm going to gain 10 pounds, and that turns into 15. And then I have blood pressure medication and cholesterol medication. Allison, I'm this huge health risk. That's a hugely different different pathway that they went on. And all it needed was the right steering to get on that right road. And so that's what we're not seeing. We're not seeing that once one immediate. So you want to be able to see the client that you failed 10 years down the road, what effect of that halfAri Gronich 59:32 that's a that's profound. So I hope that for those trainers and people that are out there listening that are in the profession, I think, I hope that what he just said what Eric just said, really went through to your soul because you don't know what you can't see. And so I mean, I've gotten a lot of clients Coming in, who've been injured by trainers and therapists and people like that, and they'll never tell, they'll never tell the therapist or the trainer that they got hurt on their watch, they just won't show up again. And so all the trainer therapist knows as well, that person didn't show up, I need more leads, right. But they didn't show up because you hurt them. You know. And so sometimes it's like you said, over a long haul, 20 years of creating imbalanced movement and compensation patterns and things like that, and it could be an immediate, you know, I picked up that weight wrong, and, and twisted my back, you know, I mean, I've seen people herniated discs from sneezing and twisting at the same time. So, you know, I just, I want the profession I want the people in the profession, as is, obviously my desire, my selfishness, to really get an idea of the fact that they can either be a purveyor of hope, or they could be a purveyor of hopelessness and fear, you can either create a result that creates a, you know, optimism and high performance, or you can create a result that leads people to sedentary movement, and afraid to go work out. And that's a choice that we all have to make. Eric, you've been a tremendous guest. And I really appreciate you know, this information, I know, it's, I take things into places that are sometimes a little darker than then, you know, we would like because I'm definitely all about, let's expose, to the dark, you know, expose the darkness to the light, so to speak, let's let's take these hidden things that are in our professions and expose them for the world to see. So maybe we get some change in some difference. But anyway, I really appreciate you coming on helping helping to expose some of this stuff. You know, why don't you tell us a little bit about how people could get ahold of you if they'd like to. And any tips or tricks I know you've started, you know, stated a number of them, but any tips or tricks for helping create a new tomorrow today?Eric Dagati 1:02:33 Yeah. Well, in terms of finding, finding me could just the easiest place to just go to my website, which is Eric dagati.com. And then you have all my social media and so forth that you can find on there. And feel free to reach out with any questions directly through that. And then in terms of any tips is I go back to those, what I call the three big things of a move, fuel and reset, and don't lose sight of those. And if you're not where you want to be, there's there's something missing in one of those three buckets, if not all of them. And we can get away with having something missing in some of those buckets, if we're strong enough, and the other two to make up for. But you can't drain all three of those. And so looking at making sure do I move well, and if I do move, well, do I move enough? If or do I not move well, but I move too much, right? Any one of those combat combinations is not good. And then the second is fuel, what am I putting into my body, whether it's a, whether it's what I eat, what I drink, or what i what i think and listen to and experience and expose myself to because that all leaves an imprint, just like every cell in your body is made out of, of amino acids from the proteins and, and, and glycogen from from those sugars and fatty acids, a cholesterol from your fats, all your cells are a byproduct of what's your fuel is And the same thing goes for what's going on. On a larger scale. It's your spirit and that's fuel that you put in into your head. And then the last piece is you're giving yourself a chance to reset. And then with that reset that reset doesn't always have to be an external thing. It's meaning that reset doesn't mean that I go to a cryo tank every day or I got a couple $100 massage gun or both things not that that's necessarily a bad thing. But if you're constantly relying on those, you're probably you know, off somewhere else. That Am I sleeping right? And am I getting the right reset? Am I breathing right even those those simple things, if you can check those boxes, then a lot of the other stuff falls into place. So establishing the right habits and those three categories i think is the biggest thing to get started and then you want to get down into the weeds. We can certainly do that but not until you've checked those three boxes.Unknown Speaker 1:05:01 Awesome, thankAri Gronich 1:05:01 you so much, Eric for coming on for providing the audience with your education, your wisdom, and, and I look forward to seeing what you create in in our industry and the movement that develops because you're teaching this kind of system and this kind of care to our industry. So thank you very much for that.Unknown Speaker 1:05:27 I appreciate the opportunity.Ari Gronich 1:05:28 Absolutely. 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Hi, I am here with Merrick Rosenberg. He is is a keynote speaker and thought leader on personality styles and team development. He co-founded Team Builders Plus in 1991 and Take Flight Learning in 2012. He is the author of The Chameleon and co-author of Taking Flight!CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY MERRICK FOR MORE INFOhttps://www.takeflightlearning.com/me...JOIN NOW!! 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Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:07 Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host, Ari Gronich and today with me is Merrick Rosenberg. And Merrick is the co founder of team builders plus, which was in 1991. And take flight learning in 2012. He's the author of three books, personality wins the chameleon and taking flight. These are all books about tapping into the power of your personality. So this is where it becomes interesting, because we're going to talk to mark today about personalities, and the ways in which these personalities define the reality that we live in. So he doesn't know that yet. But he does now. So Merrick, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself how you got to forming this system regarding personalities, and how it may differ from some of the other well known personality discovery tools out there. So you'reMerrick Roseberg 1:14 by back in 91, as you mentioned, I started one of the first team building companies in the country. And it didn't take long to realize that, wow, people just don't get along. And teams are dysfunctional, because of personality, that people just don't understand each other, they don't understand themselves. And, you know, the reality is the most self aware people are the happiest, and they tend to achieve their goals in life, they tend to have happy relationships. And that led me to this exploration of understanding personality styles, and there just are so many tools out there.Ari Gronich 1:48 There's all of these different kinds of Tell me how you came out, came about finding this style. OrMerrick Roseberg 1:57 if you go back to the early 1900s, and even 1000s of years ago, in the early 1900s, William Marston had put together what he called the disc model, which was di sc. Now, it was fascinating. It was just rang true. But what's what's really cool about that is is it paralleled what had been around for 1000s of years to Greek culture, the ancient Chinese civilization all over the world, people had four style systems, they call them different things. in corporate America, people tend to know them as the disc model di sc. But I just wanted to make it easier. And I was teaching the letters and I found that people weren't remembering them and, and I wanted to write a book about it. I've kept feeling like, I'm going to constantly have to say, the take charge D, and the energetic, enthusiastic I and like, no one's gonna remember that. And then like I said, I wish it was visual and symbolic. And like in a flash of insight in a moment, like this download the idea of linking it to four birds came to me and then I built a whole business around it, because it's just a matter of teaching people about themselves and the birds made it easy.Ari Gronich 3:04 Alright, so we're gonna play, we're gonna play a little game. You ready? I'm ready. All right. So I haven't I haven't done this before. I do have a little bit of noise.So we're gonna play with some of my toys I haven't played with before. And I'm going to name somebody and you're going to name a personality to go with that.Merrick Roseberg 3:32 Hopefully, I ready?Ari Gronich 3:34 You're reading okay. So we've got Albert Einstein.Merrick Roseberg 3:38 So Einstein much more of an owl very logical, very analytical. He's interesting because he had a little bit of a parasite. He was actually kind of a funny funny guy. But But owl primary style for sure. And everybody's not just one you could be a combination of multiple styles.Ari Gronich 3:52 Absolutely. Elan musk.Merrick Roseberg 3:55 Elon Musk is interesting. He certainly has a lot of Eagle take charge. I want to go where no one has gone before that like James T. Kirk, but he's got a lot of parrot to the I'm gonna send my my car to Mars. I mean, who does that that's a parrot thing to do.Ari Gronich 4:14 All right, Bill Gates,Merrick Roseberg 4:16 Bill Gates, very much of that owl style, very logical, analytical. I mean, if you think Microsoft is the name micro soft of its detail, when he first started the company, he was creating little mini programs. I mean, so well.Ari Gronich 4:32 All right. Gandhi,Merrick Roseberg 4:34 Gandhi very much the dove, that caring soft spoken, compassionate style, but he also had some Eagle which is interesting, because he he was very much the that what I call that activist style that picture the dove, we care about people and that Eagle, I'm going to fight for people's rights but not with aggression, but more with that dove patients but we will win which is the eagle so it's kind of a debate. Eagle combination style, very interesting pattern.Ari Gronich 5:02 Okay. Martin Luther King,Merrick Roseberg 5:06 actually very similar to Gandhi has that Dove Style and the eagle they're very eloquent style because they speak both with compassion and conviction. And so Gandhi, Martin Luther King Obama all shared that style.Ari Gronich 5:22 Okay, Muhammad Ali,Merrick Roseberg 5:24 Muhammad Ali, you know, you think Muhammad Ali a boxer you think Eagle comes up? But no, he actually had a lot of parrot. He was fun. He was funny, but very compassionate. He had a parrot and a dub style, which is very atypical for what we would stereo stereo typically think of a fighter, people. Everybody has stories of just what a nice caring, compassionate guy he was.Ari Gronich 5:46 Interesting. All right. Let's go with Trump. TrumpMerrick Roseberg 5:51 dove right now definitely not a dove. He is he is the eagle. Kind of all Eagle all the time. Direct, assertive bottom line, take charge confident that is the picture of an eagle it would be Donald Trump.Ari Gronich 6:07 Alright, BidenMerrick Roseberg 6:09 are getting heightened by politics. Yeah, much more of a parrot and a dove. He always has that big smile, very empathetic and caring. And look, he's made a lot of gaffes throughout his career. He's always done it, that's a parent thing to do. There's a thin filter between thinking and speaking. And parents sometimes say things out loud, and they're like, Oh, no, did I say that out loud. And then he has to walk it back at the parrot thing to do with ease. But he has a lot of depth to very caring, very compassionate.Unknown Speaker 6:36 Alright, Bernie, Bernie,Merrick Roseberg 6:39 Bernie's got a lot of Eagle. Very just, um, take charge, I'm doing my own thing, I'm gonna be the one independent guy in the whole Senate. I don't even care if you don't agree with me, I'm doing what I want. But he also has a little bit of dove in there. Sometimes he has those moments where he'll you'll see tears forming in his eyes. He's just so passionate about what he cares about.Ari Gronich 7:01 Alright, so now that now that we went through this little exercise, right? personality types for that are that are good for people who are leaders. So let's say you want to be a leader, you want to be a follower, you want to be the guy who gets on board. So let's, let's kind of map the personality types that somebody would need if they're starting a movement?Merrick Roseberg 7:31 Sure, well, here's, here's the first thing to recognize that there is no, this is the style of a leader, if you want to what I was thinking is you're just activating that potential in you, you're getting yourself to that place where you're the highest version of yourself, accomplishing the absolute most you can accomplish in this life. It doesn't matter what your style is, your style does not determine how successful you will be. But your style absolutely determines how you go about being successful.Ari Gronich 8:02 Gotcha. So let's go back to politics a little bit. And it's not going to necessarily apply the way I would think it would apply. But if I was to say, read, write, what personality types might pop up or blue, what personality types might pop up. I believe that it's probably going to be pretty diverse, based on what you just said. So I'm going to ask you that in a little bit different way. What personality types are playing an effect in the noise that's being made currently, because we all hear about the silent majority and the loud minority? So where does that silent majority play in their personality types versus the loud minority? Well,Merrick Roseberg 8:58 look, when you there's no doubt that when you have eagles and parrots, they're much more outgoing and boisterous that they don't tend to be in any kind of silent majority. That's true in a staff meeting. You don't if Eagles if you have someone who's an eagle parrot, and they have a concern, do you think they just sit there quietly and don't say anything? No way. But what happens is I think we're seeing the doves and and owls are much more introverted. They're much more reserved. And they're being more energized now to speak. And then just a word, I think we're starting to hear a larger percentage of the population than we usually have heard before, which is often that kind of parrot Eagle, loud boisterous style. We're hearing more from the owls and the dubs than we've ever heard before.Ari Gronich 9:48 Yeah, I think I think that's a good note, to leave the audience on. And, as always, I asked, you know, for two to three, maybe four tips, tricks, things that somebody can act upon immediately. I think you just gave one I'm gonna have you repeat it. But yeah, just what are some things that people can do to create their new tomorrow today? Well,Merrick Roseberg 10:15 the first piece is going into you got, as I said earlier got to have that level of self awareness recognize your bird style, so you're aren't imposing it on others. I would take a variety of things like amount of information, how much information do you provide the people around you, you provide an owl very different than the amount of information you provide an eagle or a parrot. So start tuning into how much information you're communicating, start tuning into how you're communicating to the people around you. Is it very directly and bluntly like an eagle? Is it softer? Like a dub is more logical? like an owl? Is it energetic, like a parrot? How are you coming across to the people around you? And are you imposing your style on them? So start taking a look at just communication is a great place? How much information you share? How do you share it? And are you treating them how you want to be treated? Or are you treating them how they want to be treated. And if we honor people who are who they are, you create strong relationships, if you honor yourself, and put yourself in a role were in a place where your style strengths can shine, man, you're just going to be able to accomplish anything. But if you are in a in a role, or in a job that you have to constantly do things that are outside of your personality, it's going to be exhausting, you can never be the highest version of yourself when your job exhausts you, every day, find ways to do what is meaningful to you.Ari Gronich 11:42 Awesome. And that's a really good reminder for any HR rep CEO, CFO, who's thinking of treating their employees, like their deficit on the balance sheet instead of an asset is you know, if you want them to be an asset for you, treat them the way they need to be treated for their personality. And you'll get more out of them. And so that is, that's awesome. And I really appreciate you being here and all of this information that you've laid down on, on the crowd. So how can somebody get ahold of you, if they want to get ahold of you,Merrick Roseberg 12:20 you can go to take flight learning.com. And you can discover just the range of training programs that we have there and you can reach out and on Twitter, it's at merrick. and also on LinkedIn, connect with me and I always try to put a little daily dose of bird wisdom so people can keep learning about the styles.Ari Gronich 12:42 Awesome. Awesome. And so I'm imagining that this book take flight is not about being a pilot.Merrick Roseberg 12:51 It is not it both taking flight and the chameleon are taking flight is one long fable that allows you to see the birds in action and then the second half of the book is okay. Now how do you apply it in your life? It's kind of like writing a movie. The next book the chameleon was like writing a series in a season of a sitcom has 22 fables like each one's a different episode? Sometimes eagles and parrots sometimes doves analysis, sometimes all four with the all knowing chameleon that teaches you about yourself. And each each one of those fables has a different lesson of how to apply the styles in your life. And so they're fun. You'll see yourself in the stories are these good? Yeah, they're really for adults. But I've had many people say to me that they've sat and they read them with their children. I've had many people say they get the audio book and they just they drive and listen to a fable and then turn it off and then have a whole conversation with the family about how that is playing out within that that family itself so kids will getAri Gronich 13:51 it. Yeah, awesome. So we'll we'll see about being able to get a link or something for an ebook or audio book or whatever we can do for the audience so that they can check you out, check out your book, and, and hopefully, learn a little bit about personalities, help themselves move into a new tomorrow and activate their vision for a better world. I am your host, Ari Gronich. This has been a fantastic episode, talking to Merrick about personalities and birds and you know, the birds and the bees with regards to personalities, having this amazing amount of information for both corporations as well as relationships is great. So, thank you so much.Unknown Speaker 14:48 We would love it ifAri Gronich 14:48 you would like review Rate, Comment, Subscribe. Participate in a conversation about this information will will look forward to hearing from you and talking to you. So thank you so much. We'll be with you again next time.
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And Merrick is the co founder of team builders plus, which was in 1991. And take flight learning in 2012. He's the author of three books, personality wins the chameleon and taking flight. These are all books about tapping into the power of your personality. So this is where it becomes interesting, because we're going to talk to tumeric today about personalities, and the ways in which these personalities define the reality that we live in. So he doesn't know that yet. But he does now. So Merrick, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself how you got to forming this system regarding personalities, and how it may differ from some of the other well known personality discovery tools out there. SoMerrick Roseberg 1:22 by back in 91, as you mentioned, I started one of the first team building companies in the country. And it didn't take long to realize that, wow, people just don't get along. And teams are dysfunctional, because of personality, that people just don't understand each other, they don't understand themselves. And, you know, the reality is the most self aware people are the happiest, and they tend to achieve their goals in life, they tend to have happy relationships. And that led me to this exploration of understanding personality styles, and they're just for so many tools out there that were using letters and colors was like an alphabet soup. And it was confusing. People just didn't remember it, you'd go back six months later, and they're like, wait, I'm the red, which one's red again, or I'm the this letter that letter, it's like, okay, it's got to be easier. And I taught it like that for a long time. That's how I was taught to teach the styles I worked with, with over 100,000 people teaching personalities, styles, too. And, you know, I go back, and people just weren't remembering it. And that's when the birds flew into my world and just came up with an easier, more visual, tangible way to teach people about themselves. And of course, everybody else in their life, too.Ari Gronich 2:33 That's awesome. So, you know, tell me a little bit about the birds and how, how you came about them? Because, you know, again, you like you said, most people I'm a green, I'm a red, I'm a green, red, I'm a yellow blue. Or I'm an inf G or a j FY. And there's all of these different kinds. So tell me how you came out came about finding this style. OrMerrick Roseberg 3:05 if you go back to the early 1900s. And even 1000s of years ago, in the early 1900s, William Marston had put together what he called the disc model, which was di sc. Now, it was fascinating. It was just rang true. But what's what's really cool about that is, is it paralleled what had been around for 1000s of years to Greek culture, the ancient Chinese civilization all over the world, people had four style systems, they called them different things. in corporate America, people tend to know them as the disk model di sc. But I just wanted to make it easier. And I was teaching the letters and I found that people weren't remembering them and, and I wanted to write a book about it. And I've kept feeling like, I'm gonna constantly have to say, the take charge D, and the energetic, enthusiastic eye and like, no one's gonna remember that. And then like I said, I wish it was visual and symbolic and like in a flash of insight in a moment, like this download the idea of, of linking it to four birds came to me and then I built a whole business around it, because it's just a matter of teaching people about themselves and the birds made it easy.Ari Gronich 4:12 So which bird is which personality? real quick? Yep.Merrick Roseberg 4:16 So speed version. I think of an eagle. That's what's called the dominant D style. Eagles are take charge assertive, they are bottom line, results oriented, that power pose you could see almost like that, that superhero. I'm in charge, power pose. Let's make things happen. The eye is what's often referred to as that interactive or influencing style. Parents are social, they're talkative, they're outgoing, everything's all good. Always works out. They're the eternal optimist. They just bring energy and fun. The dove is the supportive, very sensitive s style. dubs are caring and compassionate. symbols of hope and peace and love all throughout the world. They just want everyone to be happy and get along. And owls are that conscientious, but it's the sea style. owls are logical and analytical and thoughtful. We always think of them as wise. But of course, any style can be intelligent. But we attribute that to them because they're so thoughtful and there, they look like they're processing and taking in information. And if they're going to do something, they do it right. So that gives you the four birds that assertive D fun parrot. Caring dove, logical owl.Ari Gronich 5:35 Alright, so we're gonna play we're gonna play a little game. You ready?Merrick Roseberg 5:39 I'm ready. All right.Ari Gronich 5:40 So I haven't I haven't done this before. I do haveUnknown Speaker 5:46 a little bit of noise.Ari Gronich 5:53 So we're gonna play with some of my toys I haven't played with before. And I'm going to name somebody and you're going to name a personality to go with that.Unknown Speaker 6:03 Hopefully,Ari Gronich 6:04 I'm ready. You're ready. Okay. So we've got Albert Einstein.Merrick Roseberg 6:09 So Einstein much more of an owl very logical, very analytical. He's interesting because he had a little bit of a parasite. It was actually kind of a funny, funny guy. But But our primary style for sure. And everybody's not just one you could be a combination of multiple styles.Ari Gronich 6:23 Absolutely. Elan musk.Merrick Roseberg 6:26 Elon Musk is interesting. He certainly has a lot of Eagle take charge I want to go where no one has gone before that like James T. Kirk, but he's got a lot of parrot to the I'm gonna send my my car to Mars. I mean, who does that that's a parrot thing to do.Ari Gronich 6:45 All right, Bill Gates,Merrick Roseberg 6:47 Bill Gates, very much of that owl style, very logical, analytical. I mean, if you think Microsoft is the name micro soft of its detail, when you first started the company was creating little mini programs. I mean, so well.Ari Gronich 7:03 Alright,Merrick Roseberg 7:04 Gandhi, Gandhi very much the dove, that caring soft spoken, compassionate style, but he also had some Eagle which is interesting, because he, he was very much the that what I call that activist style, that picture that dove, we care about people and that Eagle, I'm going to fight for people's rights, but not with aggression, but more with that dove patients but we will win which is the eagle so it's kind of a double Eagle combination style. Very interesting pattern.Ari Gronich 7:33 Okay. Martin Luther King,Merrick Roseberg 7:37 actually very similar to Gandhi has that Dove Style and the eagle they're very eloquent style because they speak both with compassion and conviction. And so Gandhi, Martin Luther King Obama all shared that style.Ari Gronich 7:52 Okay, Muhammad Ali.Merrick Roseberg 7:54 Muhammad Ali. You know, you think Muhammad Ali a boxer you think Eagle comes up? But no, he actually had a lot of parrot. He was fun. He was funny, but very compassionate. He had a parrot and a Dove Style, which is very atypical for what we would stereo stereotypically think of a fighter. People. Everybody has stories of just what a nice caring, compassionate guy he was.Ari Gronich 8:17 Interesting. AllMerrick Roseberg 8:18 right. Let's go with Trump. Trump that dove right now definitely not enough. He is. He is the eagle. Kind of all. Eagle all the time. Direct, assertive bottom line, take charge confident that is the picture of an eagle. It would be Donald Trump.Ari Gronich 8:38 All right, Biden are getting eaten by politics.Merrick Roseberg 8:42 Yeah, much more of a parrot and a dove. He always has that big smile. very empathetic and caring. And look, he's made a lot of gaffes throughout his career. He's always done it. That's a parrot thing to do. There's a thin filter between thinking and speaking. And parents sometimes say things out loud. They're like, Oh, no, can I say that out loud. And then he has to walk it back at the parent thing to do with ease, but he has a lot of love to very caring, very compassionate.Unknown Speaker 9:07 Alright, Bernie,Merrick Roseberg 9:09 Bernie. Bernie's got a lot of Eagle. Very just, um, take charge. I'm doing my own thing. I'm gonna be the one independent guy in the whole Senate. I don't even care if you don't agree with me. I'm doing what I want. But he also has a little bit of dove in there. Sometimes he has those moments where he'll you'll see tears forming in his eyes. He's just so passionate about what he cares about.Ari Gronich 9:28 Yeah, he does have a bit of a, you know, posture of an eagle at this point.Merrick Roseberg 9:34 Yeah, he is Eagle but I think he's got a little DuffAri Gronich 9:38 All right, let's see. Buckminster Fuller.Merrick Roseberg 9:43 I think a lot of owl kind of very thoughtful, logical, more detailed. Okay.Ari Gronich 9:52 Last but not least, let's see here. MadonnaMerrick Roseberg 10:04 is a great one. You know, I think she she kind of beats to her own drum, which is very much an eagle thing. But I but I think she also has a lot of parrot in there too, that just flamboyant, I'm just gonna put myself out there. I don't care what anybody else thinks. I think it's a combination of eagle and parrot. All right, so do you think what were you think those are accurate as Yes.Ari Gronich 10:28 I'm giving you my.Alright, so now that now that we went through this little exercise, right? personality types, four that are that are good for people who are leaders. So let's say you want to be a leader, you want to be a follower, you want to be the guy who gets on board. So let's, let's kind of map the personality types that somebody would need if they're starting a movement?Merrick Roseberg 11:05 Sure, well, here's, here's the first thing to recognize that there is no, this is the style of a leader. If you want to win, I always think of you're just activating that potential in you, you're getting yourself to that place where you're the highest version of yourself, accomplishing the absolute most you can accomplish in this life. It doesn't matter what your style is, your style does not determine how successful you will be. But your style absolutely determines how you go about being successful. So so I'll give you some examples that just kind of staying along this line of what we just did. Richard Branson parrot self made billionaire, Bill Gates out, self made billionaire, Howard Schultz from Starbucks, he is the dove I once heard him say, I want to create a company that my father never got to work at. I mean, it's just that caring, compassionate, dove, self made billionaire Steve Jobs, Eagle, another self made billionaire. Look, this is what you get when you are someone who taps into the power of your personality, and just takes your personality and creates something amazing. And that's what all of them did. So your personality isn't gonna determine how successful you are going to be. But you can bet it determines how you go about itAri Gronich 12:22 is a determine the position that you might take in the company like Bill Gates might take a position based on his personality he made the success may not depend on the personality type, but does the role that you playMerrick Roseberg 12:41 for sure. Look, when I meet somebody like Bill Gates, that owl style is overwhelmingly I see them in engineering and finance it. And and that's, that's his world, where somebody like a parrot, like I'll use Richard Branson, he's the marketing guy, his genius is in his marketing. And that's when you go into a marketing department, you go into social media, you go into a PR firm, you find tons of parents. So that's how he drove his success. parrot. sensationalism. It's dramatic, it's big, but it's over the top. And that's how he he put himself out there. So exactly, exactly, you will find certain people will be drawn to certain jobs, because that's what feeds them.Ari Gronich 13:25 So if you're hiring, though, if you're if you're looking for looking for team, right? How do you use those roles as your marker for what you're doing? Because I know a lot of people will just hire based on gut versus information. And soMerrick Roseberg 13:49 that's right. And the big thing to recognize is that you have to be careful that you just don't hire in your own image. managers do this all the time. You've got an eagle manager there, take charge and assertive. And they think, Hey, I was once in this role that I'm trying to fill. And I know what it takes to be successful. You've got to be assertive and dominant, and you got to stand in your power. And so what do they look for somebody just like that. But maybe there's a dove, who would handle the job very differently, but be equally successful. But you've screened them out because you feel like oh, no, no, I don't want that I know what I need in this job. So the first thing is you have to be careful not to impose your personality on this role, because someone else may do it very well. And we've seen this you could have a salesperson who's a parrot salesperson who's an owl, they're both fantastic, amazing sales, but you can bet they sell differently. And that's okay. And so the other thing that we sometimes need to think about in hiring is, am I filling in a gap in the team? Maybe I don't have any owls on our team, and we make quick decision and quick decisions. No But he says, you know, maybe we should think this through first, maybe we should consider the following have we thought about this, if you had an owl on your team, they would do that. So sometimes you could use hiring as an opportunity to fill in for one of these gaps that they're missing one of the styles, because when you miss one, it's a potential blind spot in your team. So it could be a part of the hiring decision, everything else that you're looking at background experience, all that's important. But I do think style that personality should be a piece of the puzzle. It's one part of it that if you leave it out, sometimes you're missing something significant.Ari Gronich 15:37 Gotcha. So let's go back to politics a little bit. And it's not going to necessarily apply the way I would think it would apply. But if I was to say, read, write, what personality types might pop up, or blue, what personality types might pop up, I believe that it's probably going to be pretty diverse, based on what you just said. So I'm going to ask you that in a little bit different way. What personality types are playing an effect in the noise that's being made currently, because we all hear about the silent majority, and the loud minority? So where does that silent majority play in their personality types versus the loud minority? Well,Merrick Roseberg 16:33 look, when you there's no doubt that when you have eagles and parrots, they're much more outgoing and boisterous that they don't tend to be in any kind of silent majority. That's true in a staff meeting. If you don't, if Eagles if you have someone who's an eagle parrot, and they have a concern, do you think they just sit there quietly? And don't say anything? No way. But what happens is I think we're seeing the doves and and owls are much more introverted, they're much more reserved. And they're being more energized now to speak, and then just say, we're, I think we're starting to hear a larger percentage of the population than we usually have heard before, which is often that kind of parrot, Eagle, loud, boisterous style. We're hearing more from the owls and the dubs than we've ever heard before.Unknown Speaker 17:24 Okay.Ari Gronich 17:27 So if we're hearing from the owls, I would assume, right, that the things that we'd be hearing would include with logic and wisdom, and, you know, and thought and foresight, and all those kinds of things. That's what I would think of, if I'm, you know, looking at what, what aMerrick Roseberg 17:52 right, but yeah, for sure.Ari Gronich 17:56 And yet, I don't really see that kind of introspection and foresight, and so forth, and the things that are being said right now. And not only that, but the doves seem to be getting a little bit of a of an attitude themselves, the people I would normally have thought of, as the compassionate, you know, empathetic kind of, you know, people so they seem seem to be, you know, getting their beaks nice and sharpened for for the pecking soMerrick Roseberg 18:26 well, it's because if you think first of all, you think about, think about dubs, I, I've always described them from like a, how they get upset perspective. It's like, they don't say anything, that they don't say anything, then they don't say anything. And then one day, it's just like, boom, and it explodes. And so I think we're seeing a level of frustration, that that we've never seen before just coming out. And, and I think, to your point, I think that what we're seeing what we're also seeing is, there's a lot of Eagle energy out there in that, which doesn't have a lot of detail behind it. But says, you know, this, there's a this is a bad situation and follow me, I will fix it. You know, I alone will fix what's going on. And then I think there's just a lot of faith from the owls that there's, there's, yeah, you know, we're not hearing a lot of detail, but it's there. It's behind the scenes, you know, there is information out there, I don't really need it, which is kind of interesting, because owls usually do need it. They usually want all the details. But I do think you're right. I think that a lot of the owls are just kind of saying I don't need all the detail. But I believe that if things are being said, I'm just going to trust it.Ari Gronich 19:40 Yeah, it just seems so unlike the personality type of, of, of an owl. And so I'm wondering if the owl has, has mutated, I'm using a gentle word, instead of procreated has mutated into a different personality type at this at this moment, or if, if we're just seeing the alternative or the, you know, the mirror image side of, of these all of these personalities.Merrick Roseberg 20:13 Yeah, I think, you know, I think what's happened is that when when you overuse your strengths, they become your weakness. And so when you dial up the owl too much, they actually don't become so detail oriented. They, they get to a place of frustration, and they say, you know what, I don't even need the detail anymore. I've just had it. And so when you dial it up that far, I think it's a problem. Also, there's been, you know, there's a, it become a fundamental mistrust in the data that's out there, that that idea that you can't trust the news, you can't trust the data. So you know what I'm not even going to trust, I'm going to forget about having to need the detail, I'm just going to trust the person who shares that there's a problem. And they've kind of let go of the need for the data because I can't trust the source of where it's coming from.Ari Gronich 21:02 Now we go on to that familiar territory of if we can't trust the media, and the things that are being told to us, where do we go for information? If we rely on information to be our deciding factor in what we actually do?Merrick Roseberg 21:23 I think we have to get back to a space where, where the data and the information that's being shared is truly accurate. And this is true from across the board on polit. from politicians, you know, the problem is that we don't really care as a nation if politicians aren't truthful. And that may sound like a very bold statement. But the reality is, look, we elected a president whose name was tricky dick. We connect elected another one whose name was slick, Willie, we didn't even care. And, you know, in our personal relationships, if, if I said to you, okay, here's this person, they're, they're dating somebody, and I measured it, I've been tracking everything that person says, 80% of the time, they are completely truthful, but 20% of the time, they don't tell the truth at all. You would say, I'm not gonna marry someone who lies 20% of the time. But if that were a politician, we'd go. That's pretty good. 80% of the time, they're honest.Unknown Speaker 22:22 All right,Merrick Roseberg 22:23 I'll take that I could live with 80%. And so I think in our personal relationships, we've we've come not to trust that we would say it this way, integrity, reliability, honesty is really important. But in our politicians, we we may not, we just come, we've come not to trust them. And we're like, yeah, they're honest, sometimes they're not honest other time, so just not even going to worry about it. And so, so that's the challenge is that we've gotten to a space where we don't necessarily trust them. And yet we're like, wow, I'll still vote for them.Ari Gronich 22:56 Yeah, it's really fascinating to me, because, to me, they're, they're, you know, there's always going to be the people who are spoofing the leaders, the people who are in charge, but now it's the leader spoofing themselves. And and so it seems like the world has kind of turned backwards on itself. And we're in what's that world called in Superman where everything is the oppositeUnknown Speaker 23:28 of Bizarro worldAri Gronich 23:30 or something? Seems like we've just entered into this Bizarro world and, and I'm curious is whether any of the personalities even make sense anymore? Or if you know, they've all ruffled their feathers? Yeah, youMerrick Roseberg 23:48 know, what happens is when we overuse our strengths, it really becomes an issue. It's there's, there's an expression expression, which I love, which is any virtue carried to an extreme can become a crime, you take something positive, and you dial up the energy, you put it in the red zone, and it's a problem. And and, you know, this is, this is what we've seen with a lot of politicians, you take Eagle, and you dial it up too far, and assertiveness becomes aggressive. Confidence becomes arrogance, or even narcissism. And you take the parrot and dial it up too much, and it's just big energy, but there's nothing behind it. There's no plans or strategies and so we we have an issue where a lot of politicians are dialing up their personalities so much, that they're now turning off a lot of people. And and, you know, it's a it's a problem when we can't believe the people that are leading our nation and we just don't believe in them. And we need to just get back to that space. And we get back to that space when they are no longer overusing their personalities. They're using them at a healthy level. And you can look at that person and say, You know what, I don't agree with them. But they're trying their best. You're not going to agree with everything. You know, maybe my party didn't Take the White House. But, you know, I don't trust distrust their integrity. I philosophically disagree. But that's okay, I'm not going to always have a person that I completely aligned with. But I believe they're going to keep us safe and do their best to, you know, to hold America's greatest interests at heart. And we just got to get back to that space.Ari Gronich 25:21 Right. So the question becomes, how do we, you know, how do we alter our personality as a nation to be less polarizing, and be more inclusive of other mindsets, meaning, you know, where we began as a melting pot, and it now seems as though you can't have any sort of nuanced thinking without being labeled on one side or another side. And for anybody who's in the middle, who, you know, I believe in these conservative principles, and I believe in these liberal principles, and I have this nuanced sense of reasoning. And nuance has left the building along with critical thinking and common sense. That's no longer common anymore.Merrick Roseberg 26:14 Yeah, I think that what we have to get back to, and this is true in our personal relationships, and it's true in politics, and it's true at work, that we have to replace judgment with acceptance, that what we're doing is we're judging people, there's a, you know, this concept that if you can let go of judgment, then it gets replaced with acceptance and valuing. And we do this to ourselves, we judge ourselves, and then we can't step into our own power, we judge other people, and then they can't be, you know, we see them in a light that they can't, we don't even think they're honest with us, because, well, they're not like me, they disagree with me, we have to get back to a space where we accept people for who they are. And and, and not question their intentions and their motives all the time.Ari Gronich 26:58 Awesome. Now, it's just a matter of how do we do that? what's the what's what's the tip, or the trick to to doing that?Merrick Roseberg 27:06 You know, I always talk about using the birds and using the styles is that when you have an eagle, and they're very direct, except that's them for who they are. That's who they're that's who they are. That's it's not, they're not doing something against you. And that's the big key here is recognizing that, that if an eagle is being abrasive, it's not really about you. You know, if a dove can be smothering that, yes, it's love, but it's like here food, take it, bring it home with you here. I'll put more on your plate. No, no, no, no, you take it. It's like oh, my gosh, drives me crazy, actually has nothing to do with you. It's that it's really all about them. It's love, but it's dialed up too much. If you have an owl, and they're just providing you with too much details, too much information, don't take it as Don't you trust me, don't you believe in we've been able to do that think for myself has nothing to do with you. And this is true for all four sauce is that that don't take things personally understand that the way they're talking actually has nothing to do with you. It's just them being who they are. And letting go of that judgment and recognize that it's really not about you, it's really about them.Ari Gronich 28:15 Nice. So you've done this kind of work with top, you know, fortune 100 companies. So give me kind of the inside wrap? Well, let's say you're in this meeting, you know, you and I are 10 people because I'm a Gemini, so I can be that. And so, you know, you have a meeting that you're directing, so to speak. So give me kind of the inside scoop, what would you say to the corporation, the heads of the corporation?Merrick Roseberg 28:54 So for me, when I talk with especially senior managers, it's an or any manager could be a supervisor, it's are you creating an environment in which you would thrive? Or are you creating an environment in which your people will thrive? In other words, imagine you have you're an you're an owl leader, and as an owl, is it likely that you create a very structured process driven standard operating procedures, a lot of tracking and documentation and, and measuring data? What do you think if you're an owl?Ari Gronich 29:26 Yeah, probably sure.Merrick Roseberg 29:27 But now you're managing an entire team of parrots. How do you how do the parents feel? If you're one of those parents? How does that feel?Ari Gronich 29:35 You're ruffling my feathers?Merrick Roseberg 29:38 Yeah, don't you trust me? Don't you believe in me? So what it's all about is are you creating an environment for your people? Are you really just creating an environment for you? And if I flip that around, to be fair to the owls, I'm a parent manager. And I create a very free flowing, here's your goals. Here's your here's what I'm looking for. Here's what I need it, go for it. I believe in you and a motivating and empowering. How does an owl feel in that culture?Ari Gronich 30:07 Not enough ruffled feathers?Merrick Roseberg 30:09 Yeah. In fact, like, what are you looking for? What What do you want me to do? How do you want me to do it? What do you how do you want me to hand this in? Can you give me a sense of your process in the details, I'm not even sure what I'm doing? Well, why is the parent doing that the intention is to motivate and empower, just like the our managers intention is to set you up for success. But leaders have to realize that if you want your people to be the highest versions of themselves, and to succeed in a way that they are engaged, and they love what they do, but they also produce a lot, you have to treat them the way they want to be treated. You can't impose yourself on them, you can't create culture for you, you have to create culture for them. And so becoming that highest version of ourselves is, is very powerful as a leader, because then it ripples out into impacting a lot of people so that each of my people can become the highest version of themselves. And let's face it, everybody, if I create an environment in which my people will thrive, there's a lot less drama that I have to deal with on a daily basis, because they feel comfortable. And so, you know, it's creating culture, but creating culture for them, not you.Ari Gronich 31:24 Interesting. So as the leader, who's like, let's say, I'm a, I'm an owl, and I need to have those metrics met. My team is a bunch of parrots and doves, not very organized, right? But I still obviously need that stuff in order for me to do my job. So how does the to match? How do you get somebody who's a parent to do our work? And if not, then how does that work? get done. So it's not you just being the one doing all the work all the time? Well,Merrick Roseberg 32:04 the first thing I would say is, you always want to match people up to the role. If you want people to feel comfortable, when you're working in your style, it feeds you, when you're working out of your style. It's exhausting. So first thing is I would say, can you create and structure these roles so that each person gets to display the behaviors they enjoy, and they feel most comfortable. And once you've done that, everybody's going to be a lot happier. Now, look, obviously, there's going to be aspects of everybody's job, which you go, Oh, I just hate doing that. The parrot who has to track and record everything they do for sales, you know, they're reporting their sales data and documenting and submitting it is the part they hate the most. And that's why they often have an account manager, who's an owl who does all of that for them. So they can get on the phone and go out at meetings and go to networking events. But I would often ask our managers, when they say me, I need all this information. I always look at them. I go, do you? Did? Do you need all information? Like, let's take a look at what you really use out of everything you're asking for? What data do you actually use that has meaning and value that value for you that you can act on? And a lot of times, they've just been tracking data, because that's just what they've always done. So I would say to that, how can you maybe meet halfway so that you're the parent doesn't have to do so much tracking so much documentation and find a middle ground? I had this with my my CFO in my own organization. as a as a CEO, I should know what's happening in the company, I need to understand my numbers, I need to understand the data. But I'm a parent, Eagle Eye, just too much of that. It's just exhausting for me. And when we started, we created these these monthly financial meetings to tap in and check in. Okay, what happened that month? She brought like two hours worth of data. And I'm like, okay, like, we need to pare this down. Because Yeah, I don't have two hours worth of attention span. So and now we literally got down to about a half hour's worth of data that is the most important critical fundamental data I need to know. And she feels that I need to know. Now, there's definitely data there where I go, do I need that? Yeah, not sure. But she thinks I need to have it. Okay, we'll keep it we met somewhere in the middle. And you might think, wait, you went from two hours to a half hour? Didn't that swing a lot? Yeah. But there was a tremendous amount of data like client by client data, which I didn't need, right. And so so that's what I'm talking about is you find a way to meet in the middle, that you can be yourself but you also do what needs to get done.Ari Gronich 34:35 How does that work with in the family dynamic?Merrick Roseberg 34:41 So same thing, right? I mean, you have you've got a lot of times parents who impose their personality on their, on their children. As an example. Remember watching this father, these kids, the kids where I live, my house is like in a court so there's like some put up a basketball net, so the kids can play basketball without really being the path of traffic. And, and I remember one day one of the kids, he's such a strong dove. I mean, he plays the flute, he's just he's like, I just want to just play my flute, I just I don't I love that I don't, I don't really like getting out there playing basketball, everybody, you know, I'd rather sit on the side and just talk to one other person, or get on a bike with one person, we ride around the neighborhood and just talk. And as fathers, the strong Eagle, and his father's, like, get in there fight for the ball. And you know, the problem with that is, the message that the Father is saying is you need to be more like an eagle if you want to be successful in this world. In other words, you need to be more like me. But the underlying message is who you are. It's not okay. And so parents are often set send bad messages to their children, because they impose their personality on their kids. spouses do the same thing. We husbands and wives and partners do the exact same thing. They're, they're talking to each other. And your owl spouse is saying, this is how you put dishes in the dishwasher, it could be something so small, but it becomes a source of frustration, because the parents just sticking stuff in there. And I was like, stop doing that it's wrong. And the parents like, it's a dishwasher, I put the dishes in the I was like, No, there's a way you put the dishes and you are you are violating the system. And so they oftentimes just like they're butting heads, because they're each imposing their personality on each other. And whether it's as a spouse, or as our children, we have to recognize you have to honor the people's personalities around you. Or else you're sending a bad message that you know who they are isn't okay. And that's, that's not really good for somebody's self esteem, whether that's a spouse or whether it's a child.Ari Gronich 36:52 This is true. So let's, let's put the personalities withUnknown Speaker 37:02 withAri Gronich 37:04 sorry, I'd lost my train of thought here for a second. We're going to put the response, okay, so the, the personalities are going to put them and attribute them to a set of conditions, right. So you need to clean the dishes, like you said, we're going to have the personality of each and how they do the dishes, right so that somebody can get an idea a dove is going to do the dishes this way a parrot is going to do the dishes that way. I just want to like I want to bring out I want to make this alive for the audience. I want them. Let'sMerrick Roseberg 37:52 take something like cooking something very simple, like cooking dinner, you have an owl who has a has a menu, they have a recipe, they follow the recipe, exactly how it's taught to me, they're literally taking out their quarter teaspoon measuring spoon and their half teaspoon measurements, and they're flattening it off. And when they make something to make the exact same thing the exact same way. It is perfect dubs, they tend to rotate because they're very stable, and they don't like change. They tend to rotate around a few standard dishes. They make them all the time. It's Tuesday. It's pasta night. It's Thursday, it's you know, this is what we're eating. And, and they probably aren't trying a lot of new foods. It's just look, I know the family likes this. And so I make it for them. Parents can never make the same recipe the same way twice. Because, hey, I threw a little of this and I buy by the way I had some of this in my house. I threw that in I didn't really measure it. I'm not sure I do like it awesome. You should make this again. Wish I could I only remember what I put in there were the quantities I'd have to figure it out. They're they're daring. They like to try new foods like what's the worst thing that could happen? eagles are like eating their dinner out of the microwave over the over the sink because plates while I'm not burning another plate, it's fast. It's quick, whatever, just make it for me, let's go. You know, it's like, they want it fast. They want it quick. So each style is just a very different way of of take any topic and we give handling themselves and how they react and how they they model behaviors during that particular activity. Whether it's driving or whether it's cooking. It's all personality plays out in everything. You know, it'sAri Gronich 39:42 it's interesting to me because as I listened to you, I would have thought maybe I'm more of an owl because I'm fairly analytical. I like research. I like to hear the numbers right. And then when you mentioned how an Now I would cook, I will never, you probably never will see me caught with a recipe book in my hands ever, let alone measuring specific things more like that, you know, parrot for the cooking and Eagle for the for the eating?Merrick Roseberg 40:21 Well, we all have a little of everything in us. But there's probably one or two, which are like home base for you that nobody's just one that most people have at least two that are really strong.Ari Gronich 40:32 I feel like I am a fairly balanced of all four. Just based on on the conversation that we've that we've had, right, I have that analytical side, but then, you know, I have this little bit of I'm a results oriented, let's get stuff done kind of personality. But I'm not organized enough to actually do that. So I got the parent side and the creative energy. And then you know, of course, I love people and I'm empathetic. So.Merrick Roseberg 41:03 So that's the key Look, my last book was called the chameleon for that reason. That's what it's all about. It's about being the chameleon. It's about being the person who could be flexible and adaptable, no matter what is happening. I mean, take somebody like Oprah, and other self made billionaire, her Eagle, running her Empire and the amount of company she owns. I mean, you know, you don't generate billions of dollars in revenue from being a talk show host. There's something about what she does, but how she manages them is very out. I've met two people who worked with her, they said the exact same thing. There's no detail too small for Oprah, that she has to know everything about everything. So well. You can see her charisma on stage that you get a car you get a car, just so much energy, big smile, and her empathy. She cries with her guests, she hurt, donate so much money and time to different charitable causes. And, and philanthropy. It's it's Eagle parrot dove out. That's what I refer to as the chameleon. Somebody can do all for and adapt anyoneAri Gronich 42:06 nice, well, then I'm going to need to become a billionaire really quickly. So we'll have to work on that next. So let me let me go to this, you know, compassionate communication is all about the needs of the individual people finding their needs. So what personalities go with what needsMerrick Roseberg 42:26 so so when I think of compassionate communication, what I think is, I'm going to communicate to you in a way that you want to be communicated to so we might think it's just lives in the world of the dove, because doves need you to soften their language, they want you to be very sensitive and, and not abrasive or abrupt in any way. Even just the tone of voice, they just want to know that you're here and you're there for them. Whereas What do Eagles need, I always say, Be brief, be brilliant, be gone. For an eagle doesn't need a long preamble doesn't need a lot of emotional and energetic communication. Just tell them what they need to know. And they're happy. For the owl. They feel comfortable when they have the data, they have an inner need to understand why and to get the information. And if you look, for example, impose change on an hour without giving them information, time to acclimate to it, the logic behind what you're doing. They're going to feel uncomfortable. parrots, they need energy, they need positivity. The more positive you are, the more excited they get, the more energized you are, the more enthusiastic they are. They need to feel your energy. So you can see how different they are, from details to energy to sincerity to bottom line. We can't just treat everybody the same. We have to think about who we're talking to.Unknown Speaker 43:53 Cool.Ari Gronich 43:55 So then what is the biggest challenge that you've seen with people and their personalities these days?Merrick Roseberg 44:06 I think it's that we impose our personality on others that we think we think if I need something, they need it. If something's important to me, it's important to them. You have an eagle and a dove couple. And the eagle is very direct and straightforward. You know, I had this moment I was sitting in an airport A while back and I was watching this couple and and he turned to this was the moment I tuned into their interaction because they were getting louder. And he turns around, he says, I don't understand how effect is an effect. And she looked at him and she's like, Well, it's because of the way you said the fact that matters. He's like, it doesn't matter how you say effect. It's still a fact. And she was like Oh, yes, it does. And you can see this didn't make sense to him that he was expecting just to be factual and data driven, probably Owl and Eagle. She's a more sensitive dove. And he's now offended. Her. And now what's happening is they're now arguing about how they're arguing, instead of arguing about what they're arguing about, and I think this is the great problem is that we communicate in our own style. we impose it on people. We think people need what we need want, what we want, like what we like. And we don't realize that, look, if you want to be a compassionate communicator, and we want to treat people well, we have to think about their needs, not our own. And I think that's the fundamental issue is not imposing our style on others.Unknown Speaker 45:33 Hmm.Ari Gronich 45:35 If only that were possible,Merrick Roseberg 45:38 it is possible, but it takes it takes focus and intention. Only.Ari Gronich 45:45 We could see some way of that happening more often than not, Hmm, what might be some techniques that people can play with in order to create an environment that allows that to happen more often.Merrick Roseberg 46:04 The first step is self awareness, you have to understand your own style. And I said this earlier, the most self aware people tend to be the happiest people, they tend to have the healthiest relationships, because they understand themselves, and they understand how they're treating other people. And so the first step is, you have to understand your own style, or else you're just destined to impose it on the people around you. So you've got to understand, am I an eagle, parrot dove, or an L? And am I using my style? Well, or am I overusing it. And now, it's the weakness or the shadow side of my personality. So first is understand yourself. The next step, now I have to understand who am I talking to? Am I talking to an eagle, a parent or a dove or an owl? And if I understand their style, can I be flexible and adaptable, and, and not impose my style on them, but rather, treat them the way they need to be treated? And so it's if I were just gonna give you a couple steps, it's, you got to know yourself, you've got to be able to read people quickly. And you have to be able to flex. I mean, imagine the world we live in if we did that. I could read your style fast, and I treat you how you want to be treated. How would relationships be that right?Ari Gronich 47:16 Yeah, you know, it goes against the golden rule, treat people the way you want to be treated? No, no, treat them the way that they would want to be treated.Merrick Roseberg 47:24 it you know, it's funny, I talk about that a lot. And I always say like, I'm not invalidating the golden rule. The Golden Rule holds true for virtues. In other words, I should treat you how you want to be treated in terms of kindness, fairness, respect, compassion, integrity, honesty, reliability, all of these great virtues. Yes, I should treat you how I want to be treated. But in terms of style, how I do that, how I communicate to you, that's when I need to treat you how you want to be treated, not how I want to be treated. So they're both true. I mean, underlying both of those is, in fact, respect.Ari Gronich 47:59 Yeah, I just want to invalidate the golden rule a little bit more. By saying that we do not want people to treat us the way we treat ourselves, being we treat ourselves more rapidly than anybody could possibly ever treat us, in my opinion, the self talk that we have. So we do not want to be treated the way that we treat ourselves, let alone the way we want to be treated. Because we don't treat ourselves very nicely.Merrick Roseberg 48:30 Yeah, I agree. We have a very loud internal critic. In fact, some styles have a louder internal critic, dubs and owls tend to have a louder internal critic than parrots and Eagles do. Yeah, I love this quote. It was when I when I was 20 years old, I really cared about what people thought about me. Then I was 40 years old. And I no longer cared about what people thought about me. But when I was 60 years old, I realized nobody was thinking about me at all. It's like, yeah, worried all that time for nothing. No one cares. We have a very loud internal critic. I think that is very true.Ari Gronich 49:10 Yes, we've got to do something about about that guy. You know, and it's funny because I would assume that most parents are you know, most comedians are parents. Right? I would assumeMerrick Roseberg 49:25 not not necessarily we think that hey, now you can name a lot of parrot comedians but take like a Jerry Seinfeld he was an owl or he's an owl he's very logical and meticulous he dissects the world George Carlin was an owl actually, a lot of comedians are surprisingly owls, because they take things apart, they notice things and then they expand on him. So it is interesting. We we think their parents, but a lot are actually I was it's definitely true. I mean, Robin Williams say, you know,Ari Gronich 49:51 right. And they and they don't have very much of that inner criticMerrick Roseberg 49:56 right. They they have a a More outward critic. In other words, the eagles and parrots when things go wrong, they don't necessarily equate what happened to them as a person. In other words, when something goes wrong for an owl or a dove, they say, well, it's like, I should have thought of this. I can't believe I didn't plan this, I can't believe I didn't think this through and they blame themselves. When a parent or an eagle, something goes wrong for them, they go, things happen. We had learning, what are you gonna do, I'll fix it next time. So they don't beat themselves up as much as the owls. And the dogs tend to do.Ari Gronich 50:42 Okay, so then I want to know this right now. Right now, right now, I want to know how to take the best parts of each personality, embed them in my spirit and soul, and personality, and dismiss all of those other behaviors from the other personalities. So how does one, start learning how to accentuate the positive, while the sensual hittingMerrick Roseberg 51:12 the negative? Well, remember, the negative isn't, so there's no inherently negative style, the negative is in the overuse, it's in the eagle becomes aggressive parrot becomes so optimistic, it's unrealistic, dove becomes passive and gets stepped on our will become so self critical, and of themselves and others that it's not a matter of, of taking on or getting rid of one of the styles, it's a matter of making sure you're using your style, at a healthy level. So if you're using so if there's two things that go on one, you use your style at a healthy level, that's powerful, because you're going to be the highest version of yourself. But you also be need to be able to tap into the other three. So you need to, because there will be moments, you need to be able to stand in your power and be assertive as an eagle when you need to be, you need to dial up energy and enthusiasm as a parent, when you need it. You need to dial up compassion and sincerity of the dub, you need to be able to focus on the details and make detailed data driven decisions when you need to. And And so, if you can't do one of those four, it's a blind spot, it's going to get you in trouble. But what I would say is, you don't have to make them a part of your personality, let's say I'm a strong dove, I don't need to become an eagle, I just need to make sure that when there's times I need to stand in my power and speak my voice and say my truth that I can do it, it's probably going to be uncomfortable, it's probably gonna take energy, because anytime you work out of your natural mode, it takes energy. But the key is to be able to be able to tap into all four of them, not to change yourself into all four of them.Ari Gronich 52:57 And I was hoping I could just stick a you know, thing on the back of my skull and matrix that matrix it all in my head.Merrick Roseberg 53:05 Just download it in. Exactly,Ari Gronich 53:08 you know, disappointed me Merrick here. I mean, I'm trying to trying to get this stuff inside my soul. Really, what I want for the audience is for them to get it into their soul. And so, you know, let's talk about how we use these personality types for the most optimal, you know, level. I mean, obviously, I'm known as the performance therapist, and I'm all about Performance and Results. Don't know what personality type that particular thing makes me but I'd say that's probably a combination, because I like to have fun while I'm, you know, producing results, and I'm compassionate about it. But you know, I'm a results guy. So let's talk about results. How do we optimize ourselves within these personality types? What techniques what ways would you like? Are there books to read and study? Are there things to do? What What would you suggest? Well,Merrick Roseberg 54:19 the first thing is, are you in a role in which you can be the highest version of yourself? In other words, have you ever seen a parent who's been in a job where they have to attract data and they if they are sitting at a desk for eight hours a day with very little human interaction? By the time they go home, they are absolutely exhausted. Or an owl who has to be out networking and schmoozing and having these you know, getting up on stage, I mean, they can they do it short, anybody can display any behavior, but it's exhausting. The first thing I would say is, are you in a role that allows you to be you? Because if you're not You're going to go home every single day exhausted. And I think that's, you know how many times that's the key how many people have had a job, where they were in a job, and they felt like they were just drowning. And then they move to a new job. And they were like, ah, I can breathe again, because they're being themself. So the first thing is, if you are in a role where you get to be you, you're not going to have to try to flex so much, you're not going to have to take on other behaviors, because you just get to be you, as a parrot. I get to go on stage, I get to talk to people at conferences, when we have conferences, you know, I get to be out there, I get to be in front of people, and I get to network and talk to people. I'm like living my highest version of myself. Now. When I first started doing this, I was booking flights and hotels and coordinating logistics, and oh, my god, there's so much detail that you don't see, it's like a concert, you don't realize everything that had to happen to make that two hour show take place. But what do I do? It was exhausting. So I hire somebody who's going to be the hour, who's going to allow me to do what I like. And they get to do what they like. Like, I'm not dumping all this logistical stuff on the on this person that I don't like I'm giving them the bad stuff. They like doing it. And so the first thing you have to do is, is make sure you're in a role that feeds you. As opposed to depletes you. I mean, have you ever had that in your career where you were like, you had a job, and you just went home every day and you're like, exhausted, and then you finally get to do what you love? And you feel like you can breathe now?Ari Gronich 56:38 Yeah, so I've been lucky enough that I've pretty much been my own boss since I was 18. However, I've been unlucky in the fact that I've been my own boss, since I was 18. And therefore, the things that I have no interest in doing, I've done. And yeah, I'll tell you, the things that that make me the most depleted are doing the things that I am absolutely not good at. Not in my brain, not in my focus, not in my, my wheelhouse. You know, I tell people, like you put a body in front of me, I could pretty much turn it into anything that it wants to be whether it's compassion, you know, competition, whatever I could, I could make the body heal and perform at peak levels that the body never thought it could do. But put me onto digital marketing, and I can't make anything perform for any reason whatsoever.Merrick Roseberg 57:49 And so what that means is you shouldn't be doing, right. Oh, right, find someone who's passionate about it, and is going to do it at a higher level. And I often ask my staff this question, in fact, we're coming up on the end of the year, I always do this with my staff, the at the end of every year, I meet with my team, and I say to each one of them. If there's one thing that I could take off your plate, that would make you happier, what is it Now keep in mind, it could be something they've been doing for 10 years, and they're very good at it. But they're just done. It's just not them anymore. It's not where they want to be putting their energy. And over the years, I've shuffled lots of roles and responsibilities, we've hired new people to create new roles. Because I want people to be fed by what they do. I mean, imagine the productivity. Imagine the joy you get from work, when you get to do what you like, and don't have to do the things you don't like, well, as a leader, I want to get those things off their plate. It's not serving them. It's not serving me and the company either. And so it's it's understanding what feeds you and what deeply to and then you start being the highest version of yourself, get all the rest of that stuff off your plate. Because when you get all that little stuff that drives you crazy off your plate, you have now way more time and energy to do more of what you do like and then work feels like pleasure. It doesn't feel like work at all.Ari Gronich 59:12 Yeah, absolutely. You know, I love getting on stage. I love speaking. I like seeing the looks on the faces of the audience when they get a haws and lightbulbs pop over their heads. I love that. And then I want to run into my hotel room and I want to relax for a little while. I don't want to take a break. And I want to rejuvenate and then I want to go back out. Right? It's that introverted extrovert side of me. I think that being a Gemini I'm just screwy with all personalities all at once jumbled inside my my head What do you think?Merrick Roseberg 59:55 We all have them all. You know my parrot and my Eagle are pretty strong, but there are Absolutely moments where I'm in alamode. And there are moments where I'm in dove mode, you know, we all have them. The key is to tap into the right one at the right time. Using the right style at the right moment, and knowing how to use the four styles. Well, and when the buttons Yeah, when that be great.Ari Gronich 1:00:18 Push the button owl button. I need Eagle right now Eagle Eagle has landed. Yep, push the book.Merrick Roseberg 1:00:26 You know, I we have people walk into my office. And we have we have these little guys here we have these desktop birds right where you walk in. And if I'm, if there are times where like, I, I just got back, I was on the road for four days. And I'm going to be on the road for the next three. And I've got eight hours to get a lot done. And I put the eagle out and I'm like, Alright, I'm in Eagle mode, meaning come into my office. I am not in parrot dove mode, come in schmooze talk, see what's happening. You've got to come in, tell me what you need to tell me. And and head on out because I've got a lot to do in a short window. And so we use the birds as kind of a communication tool to say, hey, I want to talk to you. I want to answer your questions. But be direct, be succinct, because I got a lot to do right now. And so they become a to a tool that people can use picture in relationships, where I'm a parrot, my wife is an owl. And she asked me a question and I say, oh, all you do is this. And she looks at me and she goes, owl. And I'm like, okay, so let me walk you through it. First, you need to do this, this and this. Now as you go through it a few things you want to think about? It becomes a communication tool to be able to use the birds in a way that gives you a language that is non judgmental. There's that was that interaction wasn't You're such a parrot. And how would you Why would you talk to me like that? It's like, and then I'll remember my needs. Here's what I need. I need you to be more of an owl right now. I'm sure anybody can display that any behavior. So it becomes a language that we have to use?Ari Gronich 1:02:01 Should there be practice groups for this?Merrick Roseberg 1:02:04 I you know, I think we have practice groups. They're all around us. I think we we have co workers where they're all different styles, our family members are all different styles. There, we are experiencing it every single day. Every person you interact with is a person to practice it with.Ari Gronich 1:02:21 So we should call this season, the holiday practice group season. Because we got Thanksgiving, and Halloween and Christmas and Hanukkah and all these different holidays right now that people are getting an opportunity to practice their personalities with their family, the biggest triggers to those personalities. So any suggestions during this time of year for families? What you know, what are some things that they can actually do to shift their family dynamics maybe and have a, you know, more peaceful holiday season with each other?Merrick Roseberg 1:03:05 Yeah, I think one is thought process. One is behavior. You know, from a thought process perspective, it's recognizing that they are just being who they are, that remove the judgment. So on a thanks, Thanksgiving, when my wife is, is coordinating things, and I want to be helpful. And she says to me, I just need you to set the table. And then I go and I set the dining room table. And then I walk by the dining room table a little while later. And I realize I have a magic dining room table. That resets itself, because clearly, I did not set it properly. Now, I could get very offended by that. But actually I say she's an owl. She has a specific way. It's fine. Yeah, I bought over the years, I have learned by the way. Now I say, why don't you set one of the place settings, and I'll replicate it. See, I've had learning. But But early on, I would have got I was getting frustrated like well, why are you asking me if you're just going to redo it anyway. And it became conflict. Now it's just tease the owl, she has a specific way. I'm not offended by that. So so if you understand who someone is, the judgment goes away the conflict and drama goes away. The second is let people do what they're good at. You know, here, why don't you organize where everybody is going to sit? This is your the dove, you really care about making sure
Hi, I am here with Merrick Rosenberg. He is is a keynote speaker and thought leader on personality styles and team development. He co-founded Team Builders Plus in 1991 and Take Flight Learning in 2012. He is the author of The Chameleon and co-author of Taking Flight!CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY MERRICK FOR MORE INFOhttps://www.takeflightlearning.com/me...JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Merrick Roseberg 0:00 When I meet somebody like Bill Gates, that owl style, it's overwhelmingly I see them in engineering and finance it. And and that's, that's his world where somebody like a parrot, like I'll use Richard Branson, he's the marketing guy, his genius is in his marketing. And that's when you go into a marketing department. You go into social media, you go into a PR firm, you find tons of parents. So that's how he drove his success. parrot. sensationalism. It's dramatic, it's big, but it's over the top
Hi, I am here with Steve Prentice, He is a professional speaker, published author, writer, journalist, project manager, university lecturer, and consultant, who helps people, businesses, and technology understand each other. he wears a few hats, but ultimately it's all about communicating and implementing the ideas, plans, and skills that are vital for surviving and thriving in a quickly changing world.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY STEVE FOR MORE INFOhttps://www.steveprentice.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:07 Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host, Ari Gronich. Remember to like subscribe rate review, comment below anything that you have to say good, bad, indifferent, we want to have the conversations. That's the whole important point. Let's have these conversations that create a new tomorrow today and move our country forward so we can activate our vision for a better world. Today I have with me Steve Prentice. Steve is, you know, he works in the space where people and technology collide. He's got degrees in organizational psychology and journalism. And he focuses on the way humans work with our in spite of technological advances to help companies become more pragmatic in their usage. Steve, why don't you tell us a little bit about your your history and what got you and interested in what you're doing and, and how you became you.Steve Prentice 1:13 I just love technology. And I love what it can do. My father was an engineer. And even though I'm not, I still have that desire to see how things work, take them apart and bring them back together again. So when I was trying to find work as a student in university, I got a temp job. And this was in the days when dos space computers were the thing before windows before the internet. And what I noticed was that people were having trouble with things such as the F keys on the keyboard, it sounds very arbitrary right now. But what those F keys mean. And if you go back, if you're as old as I am, you can remember when dealing with things like WordPerfect, these these programs before Microsoft became the ruler of everything. So I've created kind of a style and an ability to speak, to write, to teach and also to consult organizations, including for some very large, you know, huge, well known high tech firms on how to explain their technologies know how to take concepts like artificial intelligence or facial recognition away from being simply a technological cool thing. A factoring in the fear people may have about these technologies, identity privacy, or even just job loss and saying, How can we make these things mixed together? And that's, that's really what I've been doing now for almost 30 years. And it just keeps on happening. And I just love it. Well,Ari Gronich 2:34 yeah, I happen to be old enough to remember WordPerfect wordstar. You know, writing code in basic, and then Doss and Harvard graphics? What was thatSteve Prentice 2:50 Harvard graphics? That PowerPoint?Ari Gronich 2:53 Yes, you know, trying to create a game like Pong right? Back in, in the days of the old green and orange monitors, things. That's actually while I was going to school, one of the things that I did is I used to repair old 286 sX computers, the ones that are massively huge and heavy. And for some reason, I had a ability to figure out having not known much at the time, which jumper was out of place, and which one needed to be put back into place. But these days, I'll tell you the truth, my my technological prowess has been depleted into almost nothingness. And technology is moving at such a an exponential rate, that it makes it difficult from my old foggy brain to to learn a new trick. So, you know, why don't you kind of give us a little bit about this current side of technology, and maybe some ways either that people can understand it, and actually do it. Because for me, like I understand the concepts of what they say to do. But the technology and the integrations and the minutiae are so unique, that I find that I think that a lot of people are having trouble reaching their goals simply because of the technology that they don't know how to use rather than not having products or services that are valuable and worthy of people finding out about them.Steve Prentice 4:41 Absolutely. I mean, here's here's number one. We've we've been going through extremely tough year. We're not out of the woods yet with regards to everything going on. And one of the major offshoots aside from the tragedy of this year is job losses and just just people who have had real trouble just keeping afloat because of the changes in commerce. Now One thing that I do say, and I was saying this even before the COVID thing happened was, there's never been a better time to be at work right now. But there's also never been a better time to be out of work. And that sounds like a cynical statement, but it's not intended to be. What I'm saying here is that there's never been a better time to find new work. And the mindset, you were talking about the old foggy brain a moment ago, and the mindset from, let's say, a couple of decades ago, with regards to what a job was, and what a career was, was largely focused on maybe staying with the same job for your entire career, staying employable within a company. But we're now moving into an era where people of all ages are much more aware of their career mobility, we have the technologies, you know, the job sites, the websites, and the simple networking capacity for people to do so much more with themselves in terms of what they would like to do rather than what they think they should do. And so what I'm saying is, when you could tie in a tech technology and people and old mindsets and new mindsets together, what you're seeing is, there's a remarkably great opportunity to take just a little bit, a little slice of what LinkedIn can offer and turn that into a key that opens the door for your future that you're much more in control of. And I think that's a very satisfying place to be. So that's one example. I'll pause for a second, but I have a second one coming up to.Ari Gronich 6:20 Oh, I appreciate that. That's, it's good advice for for people to remember that these platforms are really about relationship building versus, you know, cold selling.Steve Prentice 6:33 Absolutely. cold call selling was was a thing. Of course, we know that and some people still do it. I used to teach courses in sales to a big bank. And I was shocked. This is only about 20 years ago. And I was shocked that they were still using 1950s concepts called smile and dial you know, you perform and you just have a list of numbers you call them. And you expect a 98% rejection rate you doing? Well, if you get two calls out of 100 that don't hang up on you. Now, is that really a way to do business? Wouldn't you rather have someone who says, Hey, I'm looking for a good accountant? Can you recommend one? And when a trusted friend of mine says yes, I know this person. Now I've got the word of mouth and the trust factor are at a much higher level. And there are technologies that allow retailers to do that, for example, if you are a small business owner, a store owner, or if you own a larger store with lots of sales associates, what can you do to pull in the data that your customers may have entered into their profile on your website, talking about the things that they like what they love, so that when you do speak to them,Ari Gronich 7:37 that's cool. And we've got this situation going on right now in the world where the technology that we've been trusting to use and connect and network is beginning a systematic process of censorship and echo chamber algorithmic, you know, delivery systems that basically keep us inside of a bubble that is based on our preconceived notions. And, you know, we've we're basically in this very odd, strange place where most people don't even know where they've been taken to in the last 510 years. And on the level of both technology and organizational psychology, that psychology part of how does one, you know, kind of step out of the matrix, so to speak, and yet still utilize the matrix for the benefit that it's that is there without falling into the traps of it?Steve Prentice 8:47 A two word answer critical thinking, people need to regain their capacity to think critically and think for themselves. What has happened over the last couple of decades is we have moved from a thinking society to exactly as you said, which is an echo chamber in which people seek out the news and the truth that matches their current biases. That could be a freedom of expression type concept, really, I want to seek out the news source that matches my political ideology. Okay, that's fair enough. But as a sort of a side story to illustrate this point. I come from England originally, and a lot of people who visit England are surprised, or at least they were in again in previous years. How well educated the taxi drivers seem to be, you know, you could have a conversation with a cab driver in London, and that person will tell you anything and everything about whatever you want to know. In fact, comedian George Burns once said, you know, it's amazing that taxi drivers and barbers aren't running the world because they seem to know so much about everything. But what it came down to was an education system not just only in the UK, but just just in the times where it was okay to learn stuff more than just simply what was there for your job. You know, you might say Why does a taxi driver need to know about the The Civil War, you know, the US revolution, anything like that Revolutionary War, knowledge is a powerful thing. The enjoyment of knowledge, the learning, the capacity to think and see both sides is the kind of stuff that has been lost as we have channeled our way into exactly that individual channels of enjoyment.Ari Gronich 10:19 Yeah. So in my book, a new tomorrow, I talk a lot about critical thinking common sense and recognizing the butterfly effector cause and effect in general, and how the consequences to our actions don't just stop with the direct consequences, but there's a consequence to the consequences to the consequence to the consequences, etc. and, in some ways, we need to get back to a place where common sense critical thinking is common again, because right now, it's, it's not common. But at the same time, I also talk about the things like the poisons that are in our air and our water, and the neurotoxic abilities of those that chemistry to affect whether we can cognitively think and critically think, as well as we used to be or if that's being suppressed via some of those chemicals. And, like one of those chemicals is fluoride in our water does absolutely zero, good. But it was originally used by the war machine in in Germany, to control the minds of the soldiers so that they were easily programmable. And all of a sudden, like mid 1940s, all of a sudden, we're putting it now in our water here in the United States, and claiming that it's going to help with our teeth, when we know that scientifically speaking, you have to have a different form of fluoride, and it has to be a direct application of this different form in order for to do any benefit for our teeth. But that's not the only thing that's a neurotoxin, that's kind of causing this situation of lack of critical thinking, lack of common sense. What have you found is a psychologist, you know, basically, difference between 20 years ago, and today, in the ability to have common sense and critical thinking in in the population? Have you have you found that it's had a significant drop, or a minor drop? Or, you know, what have you found,Steve Prentice 12:44 I don't see that it's had a drop, or an increase, I think we have just simply expanded logarithmically the volume of everything, if you go back 20 3040 100 years, you're still gonna have organizations that have a vested interest in suppressing the truth. You know, they're Photoshop, you know, is a new technology, but faking photographs has been around since photographs existed, the concepts like fluoride, or sodium in the water, suppressing the inflammation for situations like Love Canal, and other places where, you know, lots of industrial dumping went on. Organizations have always continued to suppress the capacity to find the truth and not saying suppress the truth, but suppress people's capacity to find the truth. You know, in the era, where we had three or four major television channels, we had trusted news readers like Walter Cronkite, it was, that was the target was was how to manage that particular narrow flow of information. But now in this age, of course, you know, as we've seen, with the rise of some large social media platforms, anybody can post anything and and basically generate a circle of followers very, very easily. So the the problem has magnified exponentially, as you know, and in league with the opportunities for us to use the technologies for our own devices. So yeah, it really hasn't changed, you know, in terms of additional subtraction, just simply expansion. But I always say that the everybody's got the the, the knowledge of the world at their fingertips, literally, I mean, your phone can find you anything you want to find. just choosing one source of knowledge is going to once again keyhole you into one particular line of thinking. So we have that opportunity to think critically using our devices to say okay, if someone tells me about a particular city or town or a situation going on how many areas how many different directions Can I actually find that information from and and, you know, come to my own educated conclusion. So no, I haven't seen it change. I just seen it. Expand in scope if you learn me and same level just louder, and but we now have much more opportunity to fix that problem as individuals. And it's quite a pleasurable experience just going online and seeing what I can learn from different sources before coming to a conclusion.Ari Gronich 15:00 How can people get a hold of you, Steve if they're interested in their company or them as individuals, bridging those gaps between technology and, and the people?Steve Prentice 15:13 Well, I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to say that you can reach me at Steve prentice.com. And it's just it's Steve Prentice.com. And that's explains everything. In fact, you know, what, just as a tail end to what you're seeing there, I don't even give my business card now, when I give out business cards, is that that's all that's on there. And no phone number, no fax number, no address. Nothing just simply just says Steve prentice.com. And people look at me kind of strangely and say Is this it? This is your business card? I said, Yeah. Everything you need to know about me is there. That's all you need. Awesome.Ari Gronich 15:49 Thank you so much, Steve. And you know, this has been an interesting and eye opening conversation, I hope that you guys got a lot out of it. Because you know, these are the these are the tough conversations that go along with morality and technology and systems and how we work with them. So that we can create a better world not just more of the world that we have right now. So we want to create a new tomorrow today, we want to activate your vision for a better world. And remember to rate LIKE, SUBSCRIBE review comment below so we can continue on this conversation. And until then, I'D you really interesting dreams thinking about technology and your body combining. For now we are out. See you next time.
Hi, I am here with Steve Prentice, He is a professional speaker, published author, writer, journalist, project manager, university lecturer, and consultant, who helps people, businesses, and technology understand each other. he wears a few hats, but ultimately it's all about communicating and implementing the ideas, plans, and skills that are vital for surviving and thriving in a quickly changing world.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY STEVE FOR MORE INFOhttps://www.steveprentice.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:00 I'm Ari Gronich, and this is create a new tomorrow podcast.Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host, Ari Gronich. Remember to like subscribe, rate review, comment below. Anything that you have to say good, bad, indifferent, we want to have the conversations. That's the whole important point. Let's have these conversations that created a new tomorrow today and move our country forward so we can activate our vision for a better world. Today, I have with me, Steve Prentice. Steve is, you know, he works in the space where people and technology collide. He's got degrees in organizational psychology and journalism. And he focuses on the way humans work with our in spite of technological advances to help companies become more pragmatic in their usage. Steve, why don't you tell us a little bit about your your history and what got you and interested in what you're doing and, and how you became you.Steve Prentice 1:22 I just love technology. And I love what it can do. My father was an engineer. And even though I'm not, I still have that desire to see how things work, take them apart and bring them back together again. So when I was trying to find work as a student in university, I got a temp job. And this was in the days when dos based computers with a thing before windows before the internet. And what I noticed was that people were having trouble with things such as the F keys on the keyboard, it sounds very arbitrary right now. But what those F keys mean. And if you go back, if you're as old as I am, you can remember when dealing with things like WordPerfect, these these programs, before Microsoft became the ruler of everything. In order to print a document, you have to memorize this combination of things, it's actually Shift F seven and one in case anybody's checking. But the fact is, this is totally not a human thing. This is an engineering thing. And people got stuck on this, and people had to get training courses on how to use technology. And I thought, well, you know, this is not really what it should be about, there should be some sort of intuitive way that we can get together with our technology. And to this day, that hasn't fully happened. And it's not blaming engineers at all, but there's just always a disconnect between those who create the technologies and those who have to use them. So I've created kind of a style and an ability to speak, to write, to teach and also to consult organizations, including for some very large, you know, huge, well known high tech firms on how to explain their technologies, you know, how to take concepts like artificial intelligence or facial recognition away from being simply a technological cool thing. A factoring in the fear people may have about these technologies, identity, privacy, or even job loss, and saying, How can we make these things mixed together? And that's, that's really what I've been doing now for almost 30 years. And it just keeps on happening. And I just love it.Ari Gronich 3:17 Well, yeah, I happen to be old enough to remember WordPerfect wordstar. You know, writing code in basic, and then DOS and Harvard graphics. What was thatSteve Prentice 3:33 Harvard graphics? That PowerPoint?Ari Gronich 3:36 Yes. You know, trying to create a game like Pong right? Back in, in the days of, of the old green and orange monitors, things. That's actually while I was going to school, one of the things that I did is I used to repair old 286 sX computers, the ones that are massively huge and heavy. And for some reason, I had a ability to figure out having not known much at the time, which jumper was out of place and which one needed to be put back into place. But these days, I'll tell you the truth, my my technological prowess has been depleted into almost nothingness. And technology is moving at such a an exponential rate, that it makes it difficult for my old foggy brain to to learn a new trick. So, you know, why don't you kind of give us a little bit about this current side of technology, and maybe some ways either that people can understand it, and actually do it. Because for me, like I understand the concepts of what they say too. Do but the technology and the integrations and the minutiae are so unique, that I find that I think that a lot of people are having trouble reaching their goals simply because of the technology that they don't know how to use rather than not having products or services that are valuable and worthy of people finding out about them.Steve Prentice 5:23 Absolutely. I mean, here's, here's number one, we've we've been going through extremely tough year, we're not out of the woods yet with regards to everything going on. And one of the major offshoots, aside from the tragedy of this year is job losses, and just people who have had real trouble just keeping afloat because of the changes in commerce. Now, one thing that I do say, and I was saying this, even before the COVID thing happened, was, there's never been a better time to be at work right now. But there's also never been a better time to be out of work. And that sounds like a cynical statement, but it's not intended to be. What I'm saying here is that there's never been a better time to find new work. And the mindset, you were talking about the old foggy brain a moment ago, and the mindset from, let's say, a couple of decades ago, with regards to what a job was, and what a career was, was largely focused on maybe staying with the same job for your entire career, staying employable within a company, we're now moving into an era where people of all ages are much more aware of their career mobility, we have the technologies, you know, the job sites, the websites, and the simple networking capacity for people to do so much more with themselves in terms of what they would like to do rather than what they think they should do. So it doesn't mean that it's easy, as you know, just a simple little thing. But it does mean that it's eminently possible for people to maintain their careers, move on to other jobs, take the non transferable skills that they have learned, and market themselves. We've seen job sites getting more intelligent over the years, matching people up with jobs and recruiters and so forth. But we've also got things like LinkedIn, which are largely underused, because people don't quite understand how to use LinkedIn. Everyone's sort of opened up a profile, they're stuck their resume there, and nothing really happened. But this is an example of a tool that can be used extremely proactively in the the art and science and magic of career self fulfillment. What I mean, for example, is you could go on and what I recommend to people to do always two key rules about LinkedIn. And there's no other platform that is similar to them to this for this opportunity for us. Number one is to make sure you have a great profile that describes you, what you do, what you can do what you have done, perhaps with a couple of endorsements from past managers, employers or customers, and to have a picture of yourself, I mean, I recommend some people may not want to do that for personal security reasons. But aside from that, you know, if you can put your picture up, you're immediately now connecting with people on the emotional and instinctive level, which is what my you know, my sort of primary focus of work is, I doesn't matter what you look like, it's just that I want to have a face that I can relate to. And this is where trust starts, when I can, I can see who I'm dealing with. So we're having a, a place on LinkedIn, that is you that is step number one. And step number two, is as you build your group of people, your contacts, and they're not accepting just anybody who asks to join, but the pedigree of your contacts based on people that you would recommend and trust, and you know them and respect them professionally. Once a day, once a day, you go on to LinkedIn, and you just see what LinkedIn tells you about your contacts who's celebrating a work anniversary today, who has just got a new job who has posted an Instagram in an article and just say, hey, congratulations, well done. Thumbs up. Because what you're doing when you do that, is you are warming your the memory of you in their minds and hearts and you are building what is the most significant and important asset to your career, which is your network, it doesn't mean that individual is going to hire you, per se, or you don't sort of say, hey, happy birthday, oh, by the way, please hire me or please buy my product, you just build a network. And this network is responsible for finding new opportunities for giving you references or leads. And also you can do the same for them. So all I'm saying is that back in the day before the LinkedIn existed, I would have been talking about this with regards to business card Rolodex is a collection of business cards that just having 10,000 business cards does not make you well connected, you're much better connected with a little black book of 100 names than a box of 1000 business cards. So in this era, the active and the proactive dynamic and artificially intelligent Lee enhanced concepts behind LinkedIn and I don't work for them by the way, I just simply saying this is what they can do for you is to further your connections in the world and open up those opportunities. So it doesn't matter how old you are. There's never been a better time to be looking for work. And I described this about myself. All the time, for 30 years I have been looking for work. problem is I keep finding it. And I find it because I just always keep in touch with the people who can refer me other business I have never advertised in my life, it can be done. And so what I'm saying is when you tie in to tech technology and people and old mindsets and new mindsets together, what you're seeing is, there's a remarkably great opportunity to take just a little bit, a little slice of what LinkedIn can offer and turn that into a key that opens the door for your future that you're much more in control of. And I think that's a very satisfying place to be. So that's one example. I'll pause for a second, but I have a second one coming up too. Well,Ari Gronich 10:41 I appreciate that. That's, it's good advice for people to remember that these platforms are really about relationship building versus, you know, cold selling.Steve Prentice 10:54 Absolutely. cold call selling was was a thing. Of course, we know that and some people still do it. I used to teach courses in sales to a big bank. And I was shocked. This is only about 20 years ago. And I was shocked that they were still using 1950s concepts called smile and dial you know you're performing, you just have a list of numbers you call them. And you expect a 98% rejection rate You're doing well, if you get two calls out of 100 that don't hang up on you. Now, is that really a way to do business? Wouldn't you rather have someone who says, Hey, I'm looking for a good accountant? Can you recommend one? And when a trusted friend of mine says yes, I know this person. Now I've got the word of mouth and the trust factor at a much higher level. And there are technologies that allow retailers to do that, for example, if you are a small business owner, a store owner, or if you own a larger store with lots of sales associates, what can you do to pull in the data that your customers may have entered into their profile on your website, talking about the things that they like what they love, so that when you do speak to them, you're speaking to them on a much higher level saying, Oh, yes, last time you were in the shop, you bought this, you know, these are examples. There's there's so many examples we could use that show this kind of connection between people. And it's been a difficult year for people who are now learning to work from home. And that's that's a big challenge not only for adults, but for school aged children as well. And one of the biggest problems that we see from a technological standpoint with people is security in terms of we hear all the stories all the time about companies getting breached, and data being leaked, and malware and ransomware. And hospitals being held hostage by this is terrible stuff. And so much of this comes from us humble humans, you know that most of the the bad stuff it gets into an organization isn't done through a sophisticated drilling technique. It's done by fooling us humans to let them in at the vampires in. So this means that we have to learn how to use passwords and passwords have been for the last 20 years. For a lot of people, it's going to be the names of their kids, the dogs their first school, the most common password to this day is something like password 123 or 123456. And even administrators who look after the computers for us, will so often use admin or admin 123 is their password to save time. It's a hassle trying to think about passwords. So my point is, well, why should it be? You know, first of all, it shouldn't really be up to us to have to do this. But unfortunately we do because we are the weak link in the chain, whether we're working from home or getting that email in the you know, in your inbox at work that says hey, click on this, it's a job application or it's a it's a COVID hygiene update, something like that, then we get fooled into clicking on the bad stuff. Now when it comes to managing passwords, we should never have to write another password. Again, there are password management software programs out there, which will generate passwords for you that are amazingly complicated. They're strings of letters and numbers and punctuation that you could never possibly memorize. Now, reason I'm saying this is because they do work, of course. But for the end user, there's a trust factor that says How can I let go of this thing. I'm comfortable maintaining passwords that I can remember, now you're asking me to give this over to a piece of software to use. And I'm letting go of the control of using these passwords. So this is the Rubicon, if you'd like the river that I have to get people over to say, to understand how password management software works, that you don't have to memorize them any longer. It will take care of this for you. Every time you log on to your favorite web page, it will log you in but nobody else can get in because these are too difficult to figure out. And they say oh, I couldn't possibly let go of this. I need to I need to have control over my passwords. So I say okay, quick little test here. Think about the third person on your contact list in your phone and tell me what their phone number is. And they'll say, I don't know. I just pull it up and it dials for me. And it's an aha so you're not worried about forgetting there. numbers because your phone will take care of it. And it's like, it's a bit like a gotcha moment to show that we have emerged into some areas where we have let go of the control and given it over to our machines, not in any way to lose control, but to share the control. And those are the kinds of fear concepts that I work with. So I'm not plugging in the individual password management brand, other than saying, everybody should use one, you know, choose the one that your trusted colleagues recommends. But you should not be using passwords. And you certainly should not be using, for example, honest answers to challenge questions like What was the name of your first high school, or what was the name of your first pet, because anybody who's a good troller, and cybercriminal, can find those things out from your Facebook profile or any other social thing. So we got to move away from an old school mindset that was good 2030 years ago. But now it's a matter of sharing the technology, sharing the intelligence and letting go a bit of the grunt work if you'd like, but feeling trust that you're still in control. So that's what I try to help people do is to recognize that these technologies do indeed work extremely well for us, they can make your career, your life, your finances are so much more satisfying and successful. But it does require a little bit of, you know, putting a toe in the water and trying these things out and seeing just what they can do for you.Ari Gronich 16:23 Got it. So that's cool. And we've got this situation going on right now in the world where the technology that we've been trusting to use and connect and network is beginning a systematic process of censorship and echo chamber algorithmic, you know, delivery systems that basically keep us inside of a bubble that is based on our preconceived notions. And, you know, we've we're basically in this very odd, strange place where most people don't even know where they've been taken to in the last 510 years. And on the level of both technology and organizational psychology, that psychology part of how does one, you know, kind of step out of the matrix, so to speak, and yet still utilize the matrix for the benefit that it's that is there without falling into the traps of it?Steve Prentice 17:36 A two word answer critical thinking, people need to regain their capacity to think critically and think for themselves. What has happened over the last couple of decades is we have moved from a thinking society to exactly as you said, which is an echo chamber in which people seek out the news and the truth that matches their current biases. That could be a freedom of expression type concept, really, I want to seek out the news source that matches my political ideology. Okay, that's fair enough. But as a sort of a side story to illustrate this point. I come from England originally, and a lot of people who visit England are surprised, or at least they were in again in previous years, how well educated the taxi drivers seem to be, you know, you can have a conversation with a cab driver in London, and that person will tell you anything and everything about whatever you want to know. In fact, comedian George Burns once said, you know, it's amazing that taxi drivers and barbers aren't running the world because they seem to know so much about everything. But what it came down to was an education system not just only in the UK, but just just in the times where it was okay to learn stuff more than just simply what was there for your job. You know, you might say, Why does a taxi driver need to know about the the civil war you know, the US revolution, anything like that Revolutionary War, knowledge is a powerful thing, the enjoyment of knowledge, the learning, the capacity to think and see both sides is the kind of stuff that has been lost as we have channeled our way into exactly that individual channels of enjoyment. You know, every member of your family may be watching different TV shows on different TVs are on their devices, so there's no opportunity for collective discussion, it's a matter of just simply slurping in the stuff that you want to see. So honestly, if you want to break free of the echo chamber without endangering, but instead of actually perhaps strengthening your political beliefs or ideologies, whatever they happen to be, we have to have a critical thinking the capacity to think and question things, see both sides and then come to a conclusion. This by the way, our is something that the future of work specialists are speaking about all the time, you know, no matter what line of business you want to be in, whether it's in mechanical trade or in in high tech or in US professional service of some sort. The future of work is going to be based around a human skills such as critical thinking, and empathy and it can capacity to listen actively to others, because certain of our skills will be swallowed up by AI technologies. And they're getting better at certain jobs like travel agents, and so forth. Now, you can do it all online, as you know. But what's going to make us as individuals still valuable, is as we surf the career waves looking for what we want to do, the ability to do those very human and subtle concepts, such as once again, thinking critically. This means going back to our previous concept that when you get an email coming into your inbox that might be from me from Steve says, Hey, you know, click on this thing, it's a really great piece of instruction on how to do better COVID hygiene in your office, you pause and say, wait a second, is that really from Steve, should I really click on this? It's stopping and thinking rather than just rushing headlong into everything on a reactionary level. And I want to add one more thing to that, if I may. We are working with technologies that are primary light source based technologies, you know, we're looking at screens and the computers in our phones. And this is not tinfoil hat thinking here, it's quite straightforward is that your optical system, your brain and your eyes are designed to process information that is pretty analog and are based on reflected light, you know, pen and paper, just stuff that you can see. So when you start getting into stuff that it's coming at you from a light source, it is actually routed through the brain differently. And that's one of the reasons why it's so hard to resist wanting to respond to an email message or a text message. It's not the nature of the message, it is actually how it impacts your nervous system to say this is urgent, you must deal with it right now. And so we combine therefore, again, a micro channeling of information, you know, by choosing the the channels that match your current mindset, with the fact that we are still slaves to biological reflexes that haven't caught up with the technologies that we have at our disposal. And so we respond to them in disproportionately urgent ways. And together, these things have created a kind of a perfect storm, stopping people from really being able to think clearly as individuals. And so that would be my long winded answer. For us. That's the approach we need to take, once again, the solution is within us. It's easy, and it's free. But it does require that we focus back again on the capacity to think critically, from one or two or 10 sides of an argument and pull in as much information as possible before moving forwards. And those who seek to do this, again, it becomes one of those intangible but highly valuable skills that can be applied to all kinds of businesses and jobs moving forward.Ari Gronich 22:37 Yeah, so in my book, a new tomorrow, I talk a lot about critical thinking common sense and recognizing the butterfly effector cause and effect in general, and how the consequences to our actions don't just stop with the direct consequences, but there's a consequence to the consequences to the consequence to the consequences and etc. And in some ways, we need to get back to a place where common sense critical thinking is common again, because right now, it's it's not common. But at the same time, I also talk about the things like the poisons that are in our air and our water, and the neurotoxic abilities of those that chemistry to affect whether we can cognitively thinking critically think as well as we used to be or if that's being suppressed via some of those chemicals. And like one of those chemicals is fluoride in our water does absolutely zero good. But it was originally used by the war machine in in Germany, to control the minds of the soldiers so that they were easily programmable. And all of a sudden, like mid 1940s, all of a sudden, we're putting it now in our water here in the United States and claiming that it's going to help with our teeth when we know that scientifically speaking, you have to have a different form of fluoride, and it has to be a direct application of this different form in order for to do any benefit for our teeth. But that's not the only thing that's a neurotoxin, that's kind of causing this situation of lack of critical thinking, lack of common sense. What have you found as a psychologist, you know, basically, difference between 20 years ago and today in the ability to have common sense and critical thinking in the population. Have you have you found that it's had a significant drop or a minor drop Are you know, What have you found,Steve Prentice 25:01 I don't see that it's had a drop or an increase, I think we have just simply expanded logarithmically the volume of everything. If you go back 20 3040 100 years, you're still gonna have organizations that have a vested interest in suppressing the truth. You know, they're Photoshop, you know, is a new technology, but faking photographs has been around since photographs existed, the concepts like fluoride, or sodium in the water, suppressing the information for situations like Love Canal, and other places where, you know, lots of industrial dumping went on. Organizations have always continued to suppress the capacity to find the truth and not saying suppress the truth, but suppress people's capacity to find the truth. You know, in the era where we had three or four major television channels, and we had trusted news readers like Walter Cronkite, it was, that was the target was was how to manage that particular narrow flow of information. But now, in this age, of course, you know, as we've seen, with the rise of some large social media platforms, anybody can post anything and and basically generate a circle of followers very, very easily. So the the problem has magnified exponentially, as you know, and in league with the opportunities for us to use the technologies for our own devices. So yeah, it really hasn't changed, you know, in terms of additional subtraction, just simply expansion. But I always say that the everybody's got the the the knowledge of the world at their fingertips, literally, I mean, your phone can find you anything you want to find. just choosing one source of knowledge is going to, once again, keyhole you into one particular line of thinking. So we have that opportunity to think critically using our devices to say, Okay, if someone tells me about a particular city or town or situation going on how many areas how many different directions Can I actually find that information from and you know, come to my own educated conclusion. So no, I haven't seen it change, I just seen it, expand in scope, if you learn to me and same level, just louder, and but we now have much more opportunity to fix that problem as individuals. And it's quite a pleasurable experience just going online and seeing what I can learn from different sources before coming to a conclusion.Ari Gronich 27:17 Yeah, I just want to add that those different sources probably should be different than, you know, starting differently than just the search engine of Google or just Yahoo, or just being or just any specific search engine, because I know, my my stepdaughter is, is in college. And she does a lot of research and show look something up on Google and get completely different responses than if she looks it up on DuckDuckGo. Or being or one of the other search engines. And so, you know, let's talk a little bit about why it might be, you know, people have prescribed an agenda to Google, and an agenda to certain search engines and certain algorithms that they think is a cute, you know, conspiracy from some, you know, outside source that controlling the inside, right. But can it is it? Is it just that or is it what what makes that algorithm for Google completely different than the search results that you might get on a being or Yahoo or DuckDuckGo? And why is it important to to look on all of those versus just one?Steve Prentice 28:45 Well, the the algorithm of Google when it first when Larry Page and Sergey Brin were at the at the helm of it completely was remarkably different from those that hadn't before, which were largely keyword based. Their algorithm was based on all kinds of the number of connections and and sort of back back connections between, you know, links between websites, it was incredibly brilliant at the time. And I can't confess to knowing what they're doing with it right now. I mean, things like Google and Amazon have grown into enormous, enormous world changing beasts and the number of things they have going. It just boggles the mind literally. But But again, I always want to stop and say, Well, you know, who's a who's on the board of directors of any of these organizations. And I'm not pointing to anyone in particular, but who is now guiding the overall philosophy of this group. Because that's obviously with any organization or company how you're going to sway the the slant is is, who your directors are and who the shareholders are responding to. So something like Google Of course, it has become the industry leader of searching something it has the honor of becoming a verb, which is the the big definition here is go and Google something now, however, are there other resources and I tell people once again, I mean, when you look at these sort of the big, big top five social things, I always talk about Twitter. And I get some eye rolling because people think all they've ever seen about Twitter is certain, you know, high profile individuals abusing it for their own purposes. And yes, there's a lot of junk and a lot of offensive material on Twitter. But there's also a lot of really good people that I thought leaders intelligent people in your industry you know, even if you are working in something that you don't think is high tech, let's say you're a carpenter, you build you do floors, hardwood flooring, okay? What can I possibly learn from Twitter about hardwood flooring? Well, there are people out there who are talking about trends and design new techniques and procedures for treating woods and so forth. These are thought leaders, and they're not necessarily going to be putting up a big website, or even their own podcast, they're going to be just simply posting a thought here or there. So one of the best ways of micro learning because lifelong learning is one of these key future steps to think about as well. Lifelong Learning doesn't mean taking courses all the time, it's also about taking five minutes to read the tweets of these thought leaders who have chosen to follow. So ignore the 10 billion other people who are saying stupid stuff and just focus on 10 or 20. People who are thought leaders, researchers, people, you'd want to meet at a at a conference, let's say, and just see what they're saying about your industry or about something peripheral to that industry. That is where knowledge can come from as an ultimate source to running through the Google matrix or any other search engine metrics, find those leaders who don't have a vested interest in being found on Google, they just simply exploring the world their own way. One of my favorites is the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute. I mean, I'm not a marine biologist, I just happen to love nature in the water, I just love oceans and ocean life as as just from a lay person's perspective. So I love reading some of the scientists who go down in the diving submarines and just look around and so forth. It's very, very enlightening, but also enjoyable, even though I have no desire to become a marine biologist. So those are people on my special list, and I enjoy learning, just learning peripherally peripherally, from what they have to share. So micro learning opportunities in places that aren't, let's say structured and guided, the way that perhaps the major search engines might be is one opportunity. Once again, just looking for a doing searching by keywords across not only the standard search engines, but there are sort of micro search engines within universities or looking deeper, it'd be on page one, into what else is out there. It's obvious that the internet is the easiest way to do this. It's at your table, it's right there physically at your fingertips, rather than going to a library or taking the course somewhere. But once again, just a matter of spreading out the searching not only a sort of outbound searching by typing in keywords, but more importantly, inbound searching by reading articles.I like for example, Google news alerts. And even though that's going back to Google, I can set up some news alerts with keywords. And it will bring in stories from the the news wires that are of importance to me, but there because I've that I've set up those search terms rather than going through their actual algorithms. So I guess bottom line is to cast your net wide, but don't simply rely on search engines and their collected wisdom that way, but search out those people, if I read an essay that has been posted by somebody who I'm following on Twitter, now I'm reading their white paper, their documents, and that's moving me into another world of knowledge that Google may not have caught up with yet. So that's what I would say is just just diversify your intellectual portfolio by just looking for people thought leaders, once again, it's the human connection that I think is going to drive people further and give you whether it's just directly applicable knowledge or peripherally peripherally applicable knowledge, or just simply connections to other people. That's that's the true dividend of being connected online, I think.Ari Gronich 33:57 Cool. So I'm gonna ask you to contradict yourself a little bit, but not really, which is why Does somebody want magazines and newspapers and the printed word to stay printed versus just be online or audioSteve Prentice 34:19 printed word has a far greater impact on your brain than does do the same words on screen much further. The reason I said before, the pace by which your eyes and brain process information is far more in line with analog than with digital. So you can read the same essay or the same article on screen as you could with a paper version as well and you will retain more from that paper version. This is just a nature of how your our brains are constructed. So I would very much be in favor of of sitting down and reading something on paper. As much as I am a technical enthusiast. I just think that's a great way of really pulling information in at the pace that you want. Obviously, there's a sidebar to that. In fact, the most things that are published are published by once again, multinational media companies who have a vested interest in you buying stuff, I mean, when only had to look has to look at all the magazines you could possibly buy in a, you know, brick and mortar bookstore, there's just so many special interest magazines. But there is an actual haptic tangible pleasure for many people in thumbing through a magazine is a different interaction completely from being on screen. And even younger people who have grown up completely surrounded by the information online, can recognize that there's a tangible difference when actually sitting down and reading a magazine or a book. So it's always going to be people's personal choice. It's obviously much more expensive to create and manufacture, hardcopy, and it's also less ecologically sound to do so. But from an information processing perspective, it is it is a few marks above, in terms of its efficacy as a deliverer of information.Ari Gronich 36:04 Yeah, so you know, I look at things like what you're saying, economical, you know, benefits to not printing, because of that extra resource. But then I saw a statistic about how much electricity it takes for you to do one single Google search. And the amount of energy it takes for a single Google search was exponential, comparatively to the call of nature of paper, especially if you went back to some of the sustainable sources of paper, like hemp paper, and things like that. So it's an interesting conundrum, I believe that we are trying to do things that are good for nature, we're trying to create more sustainability and sustainable practices. But we end up creating situations where we literally are doing the exact opposite of the intention. And this is a place for critical thinking and common sense to start playing in. And I'll give a really quick example of that, and that is the original Prius, and I'm not sure if they changed this or not, but they were, you know, digging the nickel mines in Canada. And then they would ship those raw nickel, you know, material to China, on oil driven, you know, ship barges, and then they would have to go and do all of the taking of that material and turning it into and processing it into the battery, and then it would ship somewhere else for them to actually start to assemble. And that was another layer of waste and lack of sustainability. And so, by the time a Prius got back to the States, it had gone back and forth, I think a few times or parts of it had and you had already consumed. I think it was four or five times more. And I don't remember the numbers Exactly. But the the amount of lifetime value of the savings of the electric benefit, right. And it's also given rise to this massive industry of electric vehicles, which could one day be more sustainable than they are expendable or more than were expending. So is the benefit and does they outweigh the benefit outweigh the loss is the the consequence to the action? Right? And the consequences to those actions? Are they relative and sustainable? And when it comes to profit, does the profit really matter? If we're talking about human lives and the ability to live on a planet that we've been kind of raping?Steve Prentice 39:35 Well, there's there's two big questions there, he said is that one is actually sustainable. And the other one is, does the profit concept really matter? With regards to sustainability, it's a horse race, obviously, I mean, ultimately, if you could sort of say that the all those electric cars will eventually get manufactured more locally, or if they do need to be shipped across the world. They'll be shipped on on boats that are maybe wind powered. There are New, you know, sales like sale based freighters out already. You could you could see that the leveling of that particular curve over time as all the technologies that support the manufacturer, that electric car, and all of the the grid supports the electrical charging, including your own capacity to recharge from your home using the solar powers and solar panels rather.If we can win that horrible horse race, then yes, I think you can move ahead and generations to come would look back on the 19th and 20th centuries as a dark ages unto itself. But when you look back on the Dark Ages prior to this, or even in the 17 1800s, during the Industrial Revolution, where there were smokestacks belching out coal and wood effluent everywhere, we've come a long way from burning anything in sight to make heat and make power and horses dropping their stuff all over the all over the place. And the diseases that came from that sewage systems, you know, just the infrastructure that we have, has brought us a long way from the dirt. We were scrabbling around with just a mere 300 years ago. So can we do it? Can we get to that utopia where these things are actually making a net gain in terms of ecological sustainability? Yes, but are we going to do it in time? Or? That's the big question because people may scoff at the concept of when when the scientists once again say the average temperature is going up by two degrees Celsius. And everyone says, what, two degrees Celsius big deal, that means nothing. And the scientists themselves have admitted perhaps they were wrong in the way they marketed that because when they say two degrees, they're talking about an average global average. So countries like Australia or, or places like California may be burning themselves to the ground. And that's raising temperatures on one extreme there. And there are extremes of cold happening elsewhere. And so they average it out. That's again, the problem with scientists and technologists as they are way too literal, and they expect the rest of the world to follow that. So that's an average guys, which means that there's a lot of up and down happening. So is it sustainable, maybe if we can beat the the kind of landslide we have created in in in warming the earth jus to not only carbon effluence of our own, but you know, as the as the ice is retreating, of course it's releasing methane in the ground. It is cutting back on the Earth's capacity to reflect light so there's all these ancillary ways in which we're heating the earth is not all industry. But to your second point, you know, is this profitable to do this? I'm always kind of amazed when I watch the the it's not only in the states of course but around the world the the the big oil and the big industry bigwigs who fight tooth and nail against progress because they have too much money to be made still in oil and coal. And I wonder if they were to turn their their manufacturing processes into creating solar and tidal power, they could still make money there there's a profit margin there too, if that was it, and that is the thing that motivates most people, sadly, is that we are a we are a predatory species we are there to to beat our way to the top of the human pile as well as you know, just just to survive that there's no question that we are a predatory species so the profit motive will never die away. I'm not saying I agree with it, but I'm saying that will never die away because it is just fundamental to human instinct to survive and thrive and if I have a billion dollars and you have zero Well too bad for you, I've got my world community and I'm safe and that is again I'm not in not condoning that or agreeing with it. But it is a fundamental principle of survival. So the profit margin will not go away but it's very easy to turn around and say well you can make as much money building wind farms as you can drilling into the ground and fracking all the all the limestone you there's ways you can generate renewable energies, why not simply transfer that and that's that's what I have a hard time grasping. I mean, I know when I'm on level why they do it, but it's it's not like everyone says, Okay, let's stop drilling oil. And you guys just just twiddle your thumbs for 100 years? No, there's there's a lot of things they could do to replace that. And these technologies are emerging. Wind turbines Do not kill bald eagles by the millions. But even with new technologies and turbines do not have to spin around like big blades that are wavy ones that look like the ripple fins of a jellyfish or a cuttlefish that wiggle around the oscillates rather than rotate. So can we do this? Boy, that's not what I want to put any money on because we are in a horse race against the the ecology and the the the climate change that is inevitably happening here is undoubtedly happening. But if we can turn it around to speak the language of profits, because hand in hand with profit motive, of course, his political motive people want their voters to continue to vote for them. This is again, every country in the world that has vote Democrat democracy or a parent democracy, so they're not going to want to lay off 100,000 oil wells. occurs, because that gets remembered during an election. So the politicians themselves must also come on board with this, I'm seeing a slow shift towards this. But the matter is, is that shift that is slow, sufficiently fast to get us out of this this pincer movement that's happening between us and the ecology. So it's, it's a big long way of saying, I'm not quite sure.Ari Gronich 45:24 I appreciate that. And, and I'm going to ask you another one you might not be so sure about, but is there something other than money, that, psychologically would be more important for a profit because you can profit with money, or you can profit with, you know, a purpose? Meaning that you have a purpose and the purpose reaches its its goal? And so where is the money on the scale of motivation? You know, if you're looking at motivating factors, profit might be here, is there something above financial profit or not, because we already know that people are below financial profit in most people's value books, so or at least in in the way that we've arranged our society.Steve Prentice 46:26 To my understanding, the only thing higher than profit as a goal is power. And when you look at people who have more money than they could possibly spend, you know, their grandchildren or possibly spend, the next thing they seek is power, political power. And that is inevitable. I mean, I like reading books on history from the last few centuries, because none of what's happening right now is new. It's happened over and over again. You know, we had a pandemic in 1918, almost 100 years ago. Some of the extreme right wing movements that are happening, happened 100 years ago, they happen 300 years ago, the madness of crowds, which is an actual title of a book, popular delusions and the madness of crowds, is all about how crowds do sort of come together around a concept. And then they whip that up into a frenzy that becomes a movement. And this again, has happened over the centuries over tulip bulbs and over all kinds of either profit making ventures in the New World, or the fear of witchcraft, or the fear of communism, or now the fear of cryptocurrency and blockchain, it's, it's all the same, the same kind of thing, that there's a collective fear that comes from the contagion of emotion that people share. So I don't think the profit is ever going to go away as the as the primary motivator for all of human undertakings. Many who disagree with that point, there's a lot of selfless people out there, there's a lot of those who are working, almost, you know, working themselves to death to save lives right now. Yes, on an individual level, but when you look collectively at any country that has millions of people, and it has a leader, the leaders tend to evolve, or ones that are focused primarily on profits, and on the power that comes from that. And when you look at countries that had had a strong socialist base, some of the Scandinavian countries, for example, and Canada, there's, there's a social safety net, and so on. It's a wonderful thing to have. But it's still not looked upon with great trust by the majority of the world, it just seems to wrong. So I would love to be wrong. On this point, I would love for humanity as a whole to come back to I think what a lot more of our ancestors are First Nations people in all countries that had that symbiosis with nature, and recognized how we all can exist together, I'd love for us to go back to some sort of mindset from that. But this particular Millennium has been focused right from, you know, at 1000, right through to now has been focused just on pure, just just getting as fast and as far as you can, and reaping the profits along the way. So I don't see that ending anytime soon. So any solutions have to be built into that language? And there's little bits of cracks of light here and there that we're seeing, but it is quite the struggle.Ari Gronich 49:19 Yeah, you know, it's interesting to me, because I look at I look at the world and and I'm kind of disappointed that people haven't quite figured out that we made this stuff up that this is all a figment of our collective imagination. And they can choose to have the outcomes that we currently have, or we can choose to create different outcomes if we get brave enough to change the constructs of how we've constructed the society. And so just on that psychological level, I you know, I'm I'm curious about that power versus profit or profit, leading to power being the ultimate motivation, because I'm not sure that I've met too many people that truly want power over another person. And so I feel like like there might be a conversation about how somebody can get power over themselves, without having to have power over somebody else. So that they can become that fulfill, you know, have that fulfillment of having that power. And I think that most attempts at power over other people are because they feel like they have no power over themselves.Steve Prentice 50:55 It's very possible. Indeed, I think when you look at any cross section of political leaders in any country, you're seeing exactly that people who perhaps weren't able to have power over themselves. And so they do pursue that that other path to have power over others. There's there's a, it's a mindset, they're about justifying your existence by having power over others. And you don't need to have a country of 300 million people, we're all 300,000,001 of the presidents and they want to have that power, you only need a few to climb that particular ladder. But I think going back to one of our earlier points, if you want to have power over yourself, you want to have a sense of self fulfillment and destiny, and just being able to drive your life the way you'd like it. Yes, I think that is eminently in anybody's hands. And once again, the the capacity we have for career management's and for just being aware of what's available out there in the world, that allows you to step out from under a shadow of fear that you may have whoever's holding power over you. Now the question becomes, why are they holding power over you now? And what can you do about it? So what number one is going to be your employer because you fear losing your job? Okay, well, remember that fear, there are two sides to the human existence, which is central to this, this statement here, we have an emotional side and a rational side. And the emotion side always wins. And the most powerful emotion of all, is fear. So fear is going to guide people and drive people to do things. When you look at the the masking controversy, you know, people who want to wear masks or don't want to wear masks in this particular situation. Those who do wear masks have recognized the logic of the the the transmission barrier that a mask provides. Those who do not largely are either fearing an invasion of their privacy or doubting it's the masks capacity, or fearing the reality that the mask symbolizes of the current pandemic that we're in is a big, big thing. We go down in that particular rabbit hole, but it's all about fear. So we have the fear of all kinds of things in the world. And so my question becomes, how can we now step out from under our own shadow of fear? And use logic to say, what can I fix about this? If I'm afraid of my boss, and I'm afraid of getting fired. So I work 18 hours a day, I do everything that is asked of me, because I fear getting fired. I'm going to say, Okay, let's change that fear. I wrote a I'm not plugging my book. But I just wanted to share the title that I wrote a book called work like a wolf. And the reason I wrote the book called work like a wolf is because when you compare wolves to dogs, wolves know how to find the next meal, they know how to go out there and hunt down their next meal. Dogs, my love, I have to have my own. But dogs have been domesticated, they traded their, their freedom for a regular meal and a warm place to sleep. So they wait to get fed. But a wolf has always got to keep his or her hunting instincts sharp to find out where their next opportunity is going to come from. When people can turn that on with themselves. So rather than being afraid of being fired, I want to say, I'm not afraid of being fired. I want to I want to build in myself my capacity of knowing what my skills are, where I can sell them and what I can do to always feel that I am in control, I have the power of myself career wise, by not being afraid of being fired. So that would be one of my answers to you there is power of oneself comes from learning what is causing you fear, and learning, recognizing how that fear dominates us purely physiologically and psychologically. And then saying, Okay, how can I eliminate that fear through facts? How can I find the facts to neutralize the fear? If I fear getting fired? Okay, what can I do to avoid getting fired? Well, I can learn more skills, I can learn more relationship management with the people around me, but I can also ensure my future by knowing what else is out there and how I can find it. And I really strongly believe everyone deserves to do that even if you're in a highly specific line of work that requires a factory if it let's say you're an aircraft engine mechanic. Great, you know, you can't open up your own competitor to Boeing. But you can find out what else is out there for aircraft manufacturers to, to, to sell their skills on. And similar to that, look at personal financial management, how to eliminate debt, how to pay down or eliminate credit card debts and all the things that at least in my generation, we were never taught in school never taught financial literacy. So learn how to take control of your own money. So you're no longer afraid of debt collectors, or banks and credit ratings and stuff like that. There's a lot of stuff much like the whole fluoride thing you were saying before that has been kind of implanted in US culturally, I was never taught about mortgages or credit cards, and I went to school.In fact, I remember that you had to be 21. And you had to qualify to get your first credit card. This is not so long ago, it was maybe 25 years ago. But now of course, you can get them they sent to you all the time. So the point is, learn about career management, learn about financial management, by taking control of those two things alone, you now step out from under the shadow of fear, and you start that particular an individual path of self power, power over self power over your own life. Nobody can fire you if you are able to sell your job or sell your skills somewhere else. And I'm saying that somewhere else exists, it exists. And then once again, it's at your fingertips to find it. Cool. SoAri Gronich 56:27 on that psychological level of fear, versus the psychological level of hope. I find that in my experience with people fear typically beats out hope. So what are some techniques that somebody can who's listening, can actualize can do when the fear of something has outweighed the hope. And they see and it stops them in their tracks.Steve Prentice 57:13 Once again, a short answer, write it down. I know that sounds weird to say it. But when you get the things that are circling in your head that are causing you fear, so long as they stay in your head, you will not be able to to slay those dragons, you have to get them physically out so you can see them. And here's what we have different kinds of memory in the body and the mind, we have short term memory long term memory and physical muscle memory, the thing that reminds you, you know, which which drawer which which which cupboard your coffee cup is, and you just simply open it by by default, you drive by physical by muscle memory, largely long term memory is where most of our memories are stored for most of our lives. The short term memory, however, is very limited. The two most people will say about eight items at one time. So if I was to dictate a 10 item list for you to go out and buy some stuff for me, without writing it down somewhere, you'd be lucky. If you remember eight, then if you get a phone call along on the way you'll be lucky if you remember to or even which store you're going to because your short term memory has been used up, it's been flushed, it's like the ram of a computer. So when you're wrestling with fear with problems with worry, the the more they circle around in that short term memory, there is no space for anything else to come in. So I always tell people, this is therapy, right? Whether it's self therapy, where you use a surface like paper, or a dry erase board or a smartboard on a conference call video conference. Or you use the vessel that is a counselor or a psychologist or therapist, someone who takes those thoughts and holds them for you. No matter what vessel or surface you use, you get these things out. Because when you get them out, number one, you can see them, you can see them again, you vet them from the outside and you reprocess them, which allows you to think them through even further. But secondly, you give your short term memory permission to let go of them. It actually won't forget them The moment you stop trying to remember them. That's ironically weird. But that's the one forget it as soon as you stop trying to remember. But it allows you now to work on the next level of solving your own problems. So when you go to a counselor or a psychologist, that person should not tell you what to do. I mean a physician, a doctor might prescribe something for you, a psychiatrist might prescribe a medicine or a technique for you. But psychologists and therapists are supposed to ask you how did this make you feel? You know, what do you think about this and pull out the the answers from you so you can solve your own problems with their guiding hands to help you along the way. So my answer once again is for people who are stuck in this this storm of worry and fear. The best way to get out of that is to write these things physically down somewhere. The act of writing especially handwriting as opposed to typing will give your brain the chance, as I said to look at it vetted, question it again. And create the space for the next thoughts and ideas to come in. And on a larger scale, if you're dealing with a problem that you wish to share with others, or if it's a work related problem, a crisis or an opportunity to innovate on a new product, same thing, get it out on a surface where everyone can see it, because then you're also going to benefit from the collective wisdom and experience of others in the room, the sum becomes greater than the parts when they can all see things. But the longer you keep things bottled up inside your head, the longer the problem will live with you. So that's my short answer is just write it down.Ari Gronich 1:00:33 Awesome, thank you. So what other kinds of things do you like to chat about when it comes to the collision of technology and people? What you know, what do you think of the idea that we soon are going to be part human part technology?Steve Prentice 1:00:56 Oh, we already are, I think I mean, we are. So imagine leaving your house and forgetting your phone. Oh, my goodness, I gotta go back. Gotta go get it. So we are part human part technology, you can't live without your phone. I remember one, sort of public speaker, psychologist type person doing this, it's something I would never do for a live audience. But he actually went and collected people's phones from the audience and watching the fear in their eyes when they lost this cherished device. So I think that ship has already sailed, we have, we have the greatest advice ever known to humankind. Isaac Asimov once said, The perfect machine is something with no moving parts. And that's what we have here is that a phone, you know, which is only one small part of your smartphone has no moving parts, per se, it could be anything you want it to be in terms of the apps that are available. So we have learned to create great tools, you know, hugely powerful thing much on on line with invention of steam power, and or even just meat, being able to make fire, you know, this, these are really great advances. So I want to see how we can make those, again, serve humanity in better ways. And one of the best ways I have found is in education. There's a concept that I love following called flipped schooling. And looking at all the young people out there, and especially when you keep track of the innovations that are happening with people who are 13 years old, or 19 years old, just just young people who've just come up with these amazing ideas, because they're there, they're not yet under the yoke of their employer and other particular restraints. They have brilliance that the traditional schooling system in most countries has, has always credit keep channeled into like a sausage factory, just move people through and push them out the other end, the flipped schooling, if you haven't heard of that before, have you heard of that before? You know, No, I haven't. Okay, so So what it is essentially is, you know, you and I went to school, you're the teacher would tell you a bunch of stuff boring in the way that the teachers taught back then, and send you home with a big bunch of homework, and you got to work this stuff through by yourself on the kitchen table, trying to figure out what the heck you just learned, flipped schooling, says, Okay, let's take those two things and turn them around. So we send students home with, let's say, videos, videos that are not not just your average YouTube video, but carefully created videos on a topic, let's say maybe it is a math topic that's visual and a bit more better explaining how a math topic works. So you learn that stuff on your own time at home, then you go back to class. And that's when you can capitalize on the teacher's knowledge to work through what you're trying to understand. Because learning is not about just hearing words, it's about massaging them into your brain and your soul in a way that will will stay and become something useful. So if I learn about, let's say, a component of algebra, or trigonometry, or geometry, or whatever, then I can go back to class during the day and ask the teacher What do you mean by this? Or how would it apply to that, I can now leverage the teacher's knowledge and skills to add to this sort of static knowledge I learned in the evening. So flipped schooling, paired with the fact that we are living in the era of the audience of one now that your educational requirements, your attention span, your personality type are going to be different from mine. If you're a Type A and I'm a Type B, we're going to learn differently. If you're a morning person, and I'm a night owl, we're going to learn differently. If I've got to look afte
Hi, I am here with Steve Prentice, He is a professional speaker, published author, writer, journalist, project manager, university lecturer, and consultant, who helps people, businesses, and technology understand each other. he wears a few hats, but ultimately it's all about communicating and implementing the ideas, plans, and skills that are vital for surviving and thriving in a quickly changing world.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY STEVE FOR MORE INFOhttps://www.steveprentice.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Steve Prentice 0:00 I mean, here's here's number one. We've we've been going through extremely tough year. We're not out of the woods yet with regards to everything going on. And one of the major offshoots, aside from the tragedy of this year is job losses and just just people who have had real trouble just keeping afloat because of the changes in commerce. Now, one thing that I do say, and I was saying this even before the COVID thing happened, was there's never been a better time to be at work right now. But there's also never been a better time to be out of work. And that sounds like a cynical statement, but it's not intended to be. What I'm saying here is that there's never been a better time to find new work and the mindset, we're talking about the old fogy brain a moment ago and the mindset from let's say, a couple of decades ago with regards to what a job was and what a career was, was largely focused on maybe staying with the same job for your entire career staying employable within a company.
Hi, I am here with Shawn Harper, He Is An Experience Packed With High Energy And Never A Dull Moment. Shawn Rips Phone Books, Rolls Up Frying Pans And Carries Humans On His Back To Deliver A Winning Keynote Performance Customized To Fit Your Goals And AudienceCHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY SHAWN TO LEARN MOREhttps://www.shawnharper.org/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:07 Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host, Ari Gronich and today I have with me Shawn Harper, former NFL offensive lineman, an offensive is correct. Owned and Operated American services in protection of growing multimillion dollar security services firm, which is headquartered in Ohio. Shawn, why don't you tell us a little bit about your background, how you got into the NFL, because you know, that's not like any easy task doesn't just take a big guy, but how you did that, and what mindset etc, you know, just kind of roll a little bit on your history.Shawn Harper 0:50 So I was probably one of the most unlikely individuals to ever play professional football. Let me back up gratitude. Thank you for having me on the show. Thank you for this opportunity to share my unique experience, my mindset, my approach to life into winning. on to your question, yeah, just, it's just the most unlikely as route to play professional football, most athletes expressing nowadays, they're tracked outside of maybe peewee football, you know, that everyone will know who you are, you're tracked from the second, third grade all the way through college. And sometimes you even steer to go to certain colleges. And so those systems are in place. And then, you know, you naturally fall in line once you're drafted, but I completely backdoored the entire system. I barely started in high school football, I wasn't even honorable mention our conference. I didn't have the grades, I left high school, the 1.6 to a cumulative GPA, not on a CT, out of 150 for seniors to graduate, my Academic Ranking was 154. And I had to go up to a junior college, obviously, in Mason City, Iowa. After that year, I, I made the shift. And the shift was, yeah, you're right. I can't be successful. According to the World standards, I don't have the education, I don't have the network, you know, wrong side attracts. I said, but I can win. And once I made that shift to winning versus success, doors begin to open or I begin to look at obstacles as opportunities.Ari Gronich 2:24 So, you know, here, here's the the big part of that question is how, how did how did your mind shift so drastically from what it was to what it had to become? What was the the impetus that made that happen? And then do you have like, some actionable steps that maybe somebody listening could go through in order to have this similar kind of experience of mind shiftUnknown Speaker 2:58 was yet so I kind of I kind of glossed over it earlier. But um, but of course, of course, you know, being you know, really keen and know how to just pull stuff out. I'm going to revisit the whole concept of winning versus success. Where we're not created to be successful. We're created to win. Winning is the fullest expression of who you are mentally, socially, emotionally, physically. And the most important aspect as far as I'm concerned is legacy. Okay. And and and and which is why when you you know, watch sports and things like that, it's like wow, you know, when you know, if a team lost every single game for the next five years, you wouldn't go although years. Although you're a fan. You're not going to goAri Gronich 3:51 cagoUnknown Speaker 3:52 Yeah, yeah, but guess what? You let you let Chicago win a couple Super Bowls and you will find ancient artifacts, you will find old jerseys come up you will find this is the original banner from 90 you will have guest appearances from the 8485 bears just show up because people are attracted to winning in fact, that's a great example Chicago, you know, you cannot go to Chicago have a conversation with anyone over the age of 45 and some out that Super Bowl shuffle team is going to come up if they will bring they will deduct reason, the entire conversation to that moment, because that's the win video games, man we spend so much money. Why it's because we are attracted to winning the casino billions winning. In fact, everyone who's listening to me right now you're one of your one of two, 3 million sperm cells you were the one to fertilize the egg winning is a part of your your actual DNA You aren't a winner. So when you embrace winning versus success, your eyes begin to open and you begin to look at different aspects of life, like, Wait a second, first and foremost, I'm a winner.Ari Gronich 5:13 Here's the things that pull out. I'm the kind of guy I listen for the things that people don't say. And so I read in between the lines, I see the gaps. So you're talking about winning and success being a separate thing, my interpretation of that would go, being a winner doesn't mean beating somebody else means beating the previous version of yourself. And so as success might look differently, to somebody who just beat their previous version of themselves, like they may not have beaten somebody else. But if they beat who they were the day before, they're a success, and they're a winner.Unknown Speaker 5:54 Yes. Success says, according to the world, the thing about this success is a rule change. Okay? you're successful, if you have a lot of money. If you have a lot of status, you will even allow likes to be considered data being successful. If you look depart, and you have a lot of material wealth, for the most part, you're a winner, or I'm sorry, you're successful, that feeds right into the elites, pockets right there, the car, the house, all of that they changed the rules, they shifted the game. They don't talk about relationships all that much. They don't even talk about your health all that much. But they talk about materialism, status, and wealth. That is the determiner of success. And that's why people are so big in production, and they're not big on reproduction, which is congruent to who you are, we are created to not only to produce but to reproduce.Ari Gronich 7:04 So then there's the question that I'm sure you prepared yourself for a retirement from the sport. That doesn't necessarily happen with most of the athletes, a lot of athletes at least that I've worked with, they've had the experience of having to retire or being forced to retire, either by injury or or some means, and having not prepared for that next phase, financially or otherwise. So how did you prepare for retirement, and what would be some suggestions that you might have to other athletes and people in the industry,Unknown Speaker 7:51 very few things can prepare you for retirement, you have to understand, I am a trained. As far as football is concerned, I made you know, I was a trained assassin almost I mean, I've been playing football since the second grade, you know, football is is is like that, Shawn, the football player, it's your identity, you know, second grade or eighth, ninth 10th, you know, the diet, you know, you're used to the coach do this and do that, you know, it's just and then one day, at the professional ranks, one day stops, or you stop it. So now all that inertia is still moving towards sports, and your body responds every, every summer and you know you are or if you walk into a locker room, you smell it just, you know, you're still there, you know, and your mindset your personality is has been shifted. And so one of the things that I've done is that, in my mind, I haven't left the game. I'm on to a different game.Ari Gronich 8:55 Absolutely. That. That is. It's amazing. So let's transition a little bit. Since you're no longer on the field. You're now in the offices of American services and protection, right? Which is a security services firm. And how did you switch to security from NFL? Like, what was theUnknown Speaker 9:23 Okay,Ari Gronich 9:24 what was the thinking there?Unknown Speaker 9:25 So, my brother had a security company and he kind of basically turned it over to me. And guess the long and short of it but from a from a psychological standpoint is is the same. You know, you know, I'm a left guard left tackle. And so guess what, I'm protecting people, my clients, my quarterback, don't let your quarterback get sacked. It's the same thing.Ari Gronich 9:54 Okay. What is it that that was the biggest ad versity that you've gone through pray previous to even being in an NFL or in college sports.Unknown Speaker 10:10 Wow. So I would like to answer that. I would like to answer that from a, from the outside of Shawn.Ari Gronich 10:24 perspective, are you going to speak in third person? No.Unknown Speaker 10:30 But I'm going to tell you the greatest pain and the greatest impact, and I'm measuring that, because I'm still dealing with that. And that was the absence of my father. Growing up. Does something about a daddy, a father and if any men if you hear me, listen to me, boy, I tell you what, I my body, my soul, my spirit misses my daddy. Now the good news is that he came back to our security company, through our security company, and he was with me for the last 20 years of his life. Every day. We employ Daddy, I saw him every day, loved in the way webinars love a lot of hate, hate, hate towards the end, it was love. But yeah, he had divorced my mom when I was like, two or three years of age, and my mom raised all six of us by herself on the south side of Columbus scrubbing floors, you know, but the void of daddy and I can see it, I can see it now in my son Caleb, because Caleb is now 18 years of age. And, and and I raised that boy, I was there for him. And I can see so much that he has that I never had in it's like, wow, you know, and so my body, my soul, my emotions at time still aches. For Daddy, every boy needs his daddy, every man still needs his daddy.Ari Gronich 12:03 I think I think we'll leave the audience off with that. As you know, what else? What else is there but being comfortable with? Yeah, you are. And taking that out? To the world?Unknown Speaker 12:22 Yeah.Unknown Speaker 12:24 This Listen, let's listen. Because you get me on a roll here. I don't say one thing, okay? We are all in the business of selling. Okay, but before you try to sell anything to anyone else, you sell to yourself, sell yourself in the mirror, you sell yourself, you're awesome. You're this thing that you sell yourself, before you sell to anyone else. sell yourself and never sell yourself short.Ari Gronich 12:55 Well, you're more than welcome to rant on my show any day. And get on a roll. And I really appreciate you being here and giving to the audience like this, like you have. I know I asked some pretty crazy questions, gets you off off your normal game, hopefully a little bit. I like to, you know, throw the curves. Not just the past that straighten nicely spiraled, but the ones that lemon out, you know. So. So I appreciate you being here. And, and we will, you know, we'll we'll continue on these conversations. And hopefully the audience got a lot out of this. I'm sure that they did. And remember to rate subscribe, comment, like review, etc. Shawn, how can people get ahold of you if they'd like to? To work with you?Unknown Speaker 13:56 Yes. So my actual website is ShawnHarper.org, or Seanspeaks.com yet use Sean speaks.com. I'm giving away a free chapter of my book. And it's Sean Harper wins w ins.com. And no, don't worry about that. Go to Shawn harper.co, you'll get the full book. I'll give you a full book, you get the full book at the Winning Edge understanding winning strategies and tactics since we've talked about that and you pull that out, go to Shawn harper.co you get the entire book for free. You ain't gotta go to Amazon. Yours. And last thing I'll say is, this is me, selfishly is Shawn Harper speaker on Instagram.Ari Gronich 14:47 That's it. That's awesome. Thank you so much for for that gift. I know that that'll be in and of itself a great value for the audience. So remember to Go there. Shawnharper.com and get a copy of his book and winning learn yourself. Yeah. And so winning mindsets. This has been a great new tomorrow episode. And let's remember to create a new tomorrow today. Activate your vision for a better world. I am your host Ari Gronich thank you so much, Sean for coming on. And we'll be out
Hi, I am here with Shawn Harper, He Is An Experience Packed With High Energy And Never A Dull Moment. Shawn Rips Phone Books, Rolls Up Frying Pans And Carries Humans On His Back To Deliver A Winning Keynote Performance Customized To Fit Your Goals And AudienceCHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY SHAWN TO LEARN MOREhttps://www.shawnharper.org/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:00 I'm Ari Gronich, and this is create a new tomorrow podcast.Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host, Ari Gronich and today I have with me Shawn Harper, former NFL offensive lineman and offensive is correct. Owned and Operated American services in protection of growing multimillion dollar security services firm, which is headquartered in Ohio. Sean, why don't you tell us a little bit about your background, how you got into the NFL, because, you know, that's not like any easy task doesn't just take a big guy, but how you did that? And what mindset etc, you know, just kind of Yeah, roll a little bit on your history.Shawn Harper 0:59 So I was probably one of the most unlikely individuals to ever play professional football. Let me back up gratitude. Thank you for having me on the show. Thank you for this opportunity to share my unique experience my mindset, my approach to life into winning. on to your question, yeah, just it's just the most unlikely as route to play professional football, most athletes expressing nowadays, they're tracked outside of maybe peewee football, you know that everyone will know who you are your track from the second third grade all the way through college, and sometimes you even steer to go to certain colleges. And so those systems are in place. And then, you know, you naturally fall in line once you're drafted, but I completely backdoor the entire system. I barely started in high school football, I wasn't even an honorable mention conference. I didn't have the grades. I left high school, the 1.6 to a cumulative GPA, not on a CT. Out of 150 for seniors to graduate, my Academic Ranking was 154. And I had to go off to a junior college, obviously, in Mason City, Iowa, like 26,000, blond hair, blue eyes, everyone's last name is Schneider. So I'm in the cornfields of Mason City. And the first year I sit the bench the entire season that one document at play. And I'm sorry, maybe I was on next special teams once or twice. And after that year, I, I made the shift. And the shift was, yeah, you're right. I can't be successful. According to the World standards. I don't have the education. I don't have the network, you know, wrong side of tracks. I said, but I can win. And once I made that shift to winning versus success, doors begin to open or I begin to look at obstacles as opportunities. And I begin to see things different I begin to like MacGyver life and and so I went from not even stepping on the field until next year. Yeah, Junior College Hall of Fame guy and first team all region full scholarship, Indiana University, and black for Heisman candidates, and then the story in where you pick up and saying that I played, you know, professional football for the Rams and the coats. But one thing I've learned is that life is a game you play to win, and that there's always a way to win. And one of the secrets one of the secrets to winning is that you have to know the rules, and you have to be willing to lose.Ari Gronich 3:36 That's like, deserves a nice, big deep breath. Right? So you got it, you got to know the rules. Right? What if you're somebody that likes playing outside the rules?Unknown Speaker 3:58 SoShawn Harper 4:00 when I mean, when I'm talking about rules, I'm really talking about laws. So I love I love bending and breaking rules, okay? Because sometimes rules are constructs to protect another class and another group of people. But laws are the foundations of this world or this universe. And there are laws you cannot break. If you break spiritual law, spiritual laws will break you. So in reference to the game of life, when I'm talking about rules, I'm talking about laws, I'm talking about law law of the 212. And that means that water boils at 211 degrees. And at 212 degrees, water boils, boiling water has changed the world. You step in, you push yourself into the to 12 that's a different law. It's a different mindset. laws like that. And once you understand the laws, then you use them. To your favor.Ari Gronich 5:01 Awesome. That was kind of what I was trying to get out of you a little bit. So, you know, what rules did you break? To get to where you are?Shawn Harper 5:12 Well, so one of the rules, I remember playing towards the end of my first year, and I'm talking about May, you know, you know, I want to play professional football going into it. And one of the people said to me, you know, if you're good, they'll find you. And if you're not good, then they will not find you. And I looked around, and I'm doing everything that everyone else is doing, and I'm not progressing. So one of the laws that I had to implement is that you find out what everyone else is doing, you do something different, you do the opposite. So everyone was in Columbus, or my hometown, Columbus, Ohio only golf season or their respective hometowns. I decided to go back to junior college four months earlier. And I went back by myself in a dorm room, one other guy, one other person in the entire dorm. I took some summer courses, and I trained twice a day. By myself, I train twice a day in the morning, in the evening, 2000 skips in the morning, 2000 skips in the evening, I was willing to do what everyone else was not willing to do. I became an outlier. And I'm thinking, you know, what, if there's, you know, maybe 1000 junior college offensive lineman coming out, there's only a handful of colleges want to make sure that I'm going to have the edge. The next thing I did when I was there is that I pulled out a sheet of paper, and I wrote 200 junior colleges. I'm sorry, 200 division one and Division Two colleges, I wrote them all, actually online, I wrote one letter and Xeroxed it 200 times, I put the name in, and then I signed it. And then I, I mean, I just mailed it to every single one of them, you know what the phone started ringing. And so these are some of the things that I was willing to do that's a little bit different, unusual, ordinary and extraordinary, to make myself known. Another thing real quick is that, you know, the average semester, our course load is, you know, maybe between 14 and 16 credit hours, I took 22 in one semester had night classes almost seven days a week, and I was able to graduate a semester early, which made myself more marketable expected to division one colleges.Ari Gronich 7:38 So, you know, here, here's the big part of that question is, how, how did how did your mind shift so drastically from what it was to what it had to become? What was the the impetus that made that happen? And then do you have like, some actionable steps that maybe somebody listening could go through in order to have this similar kind of experience of mind shiftShawn Harper 8:12 was yet so I kind of I kind of glossed over it earlier. But, but caught in our course, you know, being you know, really keen and know how to just pull stuff out. I'm going to revisit the whole concept of winning versus success. We're not created to be successful. We're created to win. Winning is the fullest expression of who you are mentally, socially, emotionally, physically. And the most important aspect as far as I'm concerned is legacy. Okay. And and and and which is why when you you know, watch sports and things like that, it's like wow, you know, when, you know, if a team lost every single game for the next five years, you wouldn't go although you're although you're a fan, you're not going to goAri Gronich 9:05 cagoShawn Harper 9:06 Yeah, yeah, but guess what? You let you let Chicago win a couple Super Bowls and you will find ancient artifacts, you will find old jerseys come up you will find this is the original banner from 90 you will have guest appearances from the 8485 bears don't just show up because people are attracted to winning in fact, that's a great example Chicago, you know, you cannot go to Chicago have a conversation with anyone over the age of 45 and some owl, that Super Bowl shuffle team is going to come up. If they will bring they will deduct reason, the entire conversation to that moment, because that's the when video games man we spend so much money. Why it's because we are attracted to winning the casino billions we In fact, everyone who's listening to me right now you're one of know you're one of two, 3 million sperm cells, you were the one to fertilize the egg winning is a part of your, your actual DNA, you are a winner. So when you embrace winning versus success, your eyes begin to open and you begin to look at different aspects of life. like wait a second, first and foremost, I'm a winner like Chicago, you mentioned Chicago Bears. How is it that Brooke, a group of guys in a big rookie can make a video about going to the Superbowl. about going to the Super Bowl, winning the Super Bowl, call it the Super Bowl shuffle have to get Daphne to make that song in training camp. Because the two things, two things that they had, obviously, they had the talent, but two things they had, number one, they had belief. And number two, they created a paradigm. So one of the ways that you can win with winners is that you recognize paradigms, every the most wealth is created when there's a paradigm shift of some sort. And with the bears, they created a defense. Tobin, Ryan created a defense the year earlier, it wasn't perfected, they created the 46. And they kind of messed with it. And they unleashed the 46 Bear. And no team in the NFL has never seen it, and they could not combat it. And that was their edge. So think about that prospering and paradigms is one of the ways in which you can win. My Team 90 the computer was the internet was introduced. Think about all the winners 1990. All the companies that was a paradigm shift. Okay. COVID is a paradigm shift 911 is a paradigm shift, I'll give you a paradigm shift that's created hundreds of millionaires and billionaires right now. And that's cryptocurrency. That's a paradigm shift. crypto is a huge shift. And once in once you put on that winner hat, you'll look at things like crypto different, you look at things like AI different, you look at things like autonomous automobiles, because you want to make sure that you're on the right side of the track of the wind, and on the wrong side of the wind, your body will not allow you to be on the wrong side of the wind.Ari Gronich 12:31 So you know, here, here's, here's the things that pull out. I'm the kind of guy I listen for the things that people don't say. And so I read in between the lines, I see the gaps. So you're talking about winning and success being a separate thing, my interpretation of that would go, being a winner doesn't mean beating somebody else means beating the previous version of yourself. And so as success might look differently to somebody who just beat their previous version of themselves, like they may not have beaten somebody else. But if they beat who they were the day before, they're a success, and they're a winner.Shawn Harper 13:16 Yes. Success says, according to the world, the thing about this success is a rule change. Okay? you're successful. If you have a lot of money. If you have a lot of status, you will even allow likes to be considered that of being successful. If you look depart, and you have a lot of material wealth, for the most part, you're a winner. Or I'm sorry, you're successful, that feeds right into the elites, pockets, right? They have the car, the house, all of that they changed the rules, they shifted the game. They don't talk about relationships all that much. They don't even talk about your health all that much. But they talk about materialism, status and wealth. That is the determiner of success, and that's why people are so big in production, and they're not big on reproduction, which is congruent to who you are. We are created to not only to produce but to reproduce.Ari Gronich 14:27 interesting perspective. So what took you out of the game?Shawn Harper 14:33 I'm not out the game.Ari Gronich 14:36 Out of the physical playing of the game, oh,Shawn Harper 14:42 time. It's it's I said to myself that I was not going to be the that guy chasing the game. I'm not going to be that person trying to squeeze out for five more years. And, you know, it was just one day I just was up, you know, towards the end I actually finished up in NFL Europe and, and matte black for Kurt Warner, you know, and, and when they I woke up and I was like, you know what it's over Game Over, it's time for It's time for it, it's time for another game, it's time for another game or another aspect of the game. And the rest is history. So,Ari Gronich 15:24 so then bears the question that I'm sure you prepared yourself for a retirement from the sport. That doesn't necessarily happen with most of the athletes, a lot of athletes, at least that I've worked with, they've had the experience of having to retire or being forced to retire, either by injury or or some means, and having not prepared for that next phase, financially or otherwise. So how did you prepare for retirement, and what would be some suggestions that you might have to other athletes and people in the industry,Shawn Harper 16:11 very few things can prepare you for retirement, you have to understand, I am a trained as far as football is concerned, I made you know, I was a trained assassin almost, I mean, I've been playing football since the second grade, you know, football is is is like that, Shawn, the football player, it's your identity, you know, second grade or eighth, ninth 10th, you know, the diet, you know, you're used to the coach do this and do that, you know, it's just and then one day, at the professional ranks, one day stops, or you stop it. So now, all that inertia is still moving towards sports, and your body responds every, every summer, and you know you are or if you walk into a locker room, you smell it, just, you know, you're still there, you know, and your mindset your personality is has been shifted. And so one of the things that I've done is that, in my mind, I haven't left again, I'm on to a different game. And I'm still playing it. And this, this, this is my uniform. This is my backdrop. And every day, I prepare myself accordingly. And so that's how I'm able to do it financially. I was horrible at that, you know, I made a lot of mistakes, a lot of investments, you know, people always come around and professional athletes, like you and I got this new, had a Thai company or this company had no business sense at all. But I was able to take those losses tournament and mentally turn them into tuition. And I was able to win from that, you know, and so, I, I've taken a lot of what I've learned in the corporate world, I mean, as far as the professional world, and I infused it into the corporate world, because unbeknownst to a lot of people, the NFL is probably one of the most successful business models ever.Ari Gronich 18:14 Oh, I mean, that's, that's easy to see. Yeah, you've transferred this, but what would you say to the others that are in the sport for for ways in which they can avoid as many of those lessons that are harder learned?Shawn Harper 18:36 Learn how. Learn how to take off the helmet. It's it's the professional world is so encompassing, you know, it's just you know, you're here, everyone sees you as the athlete, and it's so intoxicating, because you're not Shawn Harper, your shellharbour the NFL athlete is, there's so much to that, that you have to be intentional to say, Hey, this is who I am. This is who we are. What I mean by we are here we are, this is who, you know, our This is our relationships, you know, this is our marriage, you know, get away from that lala land and let's dig down. Let's really check out Stephen, who we are and how we're growing and how we're progressing together. Okay, let's strip away everything. So there has to be there has to be a couple things that ties you to reality that ties you to the moment what's that movie called where the guy is kept like a quarter in his pocket. You know, and it's like what it was to our MX actually one was alone omo because somewhere in time but there's another one something tranquility some in league with Tom Cruise's, and I think I, I don'tAri Gronich 20:02 Yeah, I'm, I, I can remember the line and the way that it looks. But I know thinking on the name of the movie.Shawn Harper 20:13 Well, so that is one thing that I wouldn't always, always keep one or two things in your life, man. That's personal. That's you. Like if it's your marriage, it doesn't go on social media. It's just this is this keeps you grounded in the second thing, which is the most important thing. I think. You got to have one or two people in your life that will close the door and tell you the truth. That will always speak truth to you. Because you got your entourage you got the band. You got the groupies. You know they're all feeding you and pumping your head up and gas and even your family gassing you up. You need that one person. This like, you know what? I'm not impressed. Do you know what this is about to happen? Do you remember a guy named Jackie Slater?Unknown Speaker 21:07 Yeah, absolutely.Shawn Harper 21:08 Okay. I'm gonna take one of Jackie Slater secrets. Okay. I don't think you'll kill me.Ari Gronich 21:13 Audience use later. Can you keep a secret audience?Shawn Harper 21:17 Yeah, keep a secret audience Jackie Slater played, I think 20 years professional football, offensive tackle number 76. Probably one of the best right tackles to ever play the game. He was a man's man out of Jackson State. So. So Jackie, what he would do is he would go through his sets at practice, as the right tackle, your sets have to be perfect. Straight up the line, you said too far to the right, they're gonna come under you. You set too far from the left, you're gonna give them the corner. So your sets have to be perfect. So Jackie couldn't watch his sets. And so after every set, he made me, a guy named Calvin Harris. We should play through hurricanes. Darrell Ashmore from Northwestern, we will have to stand behind him have his water ready. And he would say with a with a look of innocence that I've never seen. How's my set? How's my line? And every once in a while, Jackie, you're setting too far out? Okay, I'll work on that. Or Jackie, you're setting too far. And okay, I'll work on that. That is how he played 20 years. That's how he was an all Pro. Because he had somebody watching his live. Who do you have in your life to saying, Hey, buddy, you're out of control? tighten up? You need that?Ari Gronich 22:42 Absolutely. That. That is. It's amazing. So let's transition a little bit. Since you're no longer on the field, you're now in the offices of American services and protection, right? Which is a security services firm. And how did you switch to security from NFL? Like, what was the?Unknown Speaker 23:10 Okay,Ari Gronich 23:11 what was the thinking there?Shawn Harper 23:12 So, my brother had a security company and he kind of basically turned it over to me. And that's the long and the short of it. But from a from a psychological standpoint is is the same. You know, you know, I'm a left guard left tackle. And so guess what, I'm protecting people, my clients, my quarterback, don't let your quarterback get sacked. Same thing. Yeah.Unknown Speaker 23:41 Okay.Ari Gronich 23:43 What is it that that was the biggest adversity that you've gone through previous to even being in an NFL or in college sports?Shawn Harper 23:57 Wow. So I would like to answer that. I would like to answer that from a from the outside of Shawn. perspective. Are you going to speak in third person? No. But I'm going to tell you the greatest pain and the greatest impact, and I'm measuring that because I'm still dealing with that. And that was the absence of my father. Growing up. There's something about a daddy, a father and if any men if you hear me, listen to me what Tell you what? I my body, my soul, my spirit misses my daddy. Now the good news is that he came back to our security company, through our security company and he was with me for the last 20 years of his life. Every day. We employ Daddy, I saw him every day loved in the way webinars love a lot of hate, hate hate towards the end, it was love. But yeah, he had divorced my mom when I was like, two or three years of age, and my mom raised all six of us by herself on the south side of Columbus scrubbing floors, you know, but the void of Daddy, and I can see it, I can see it now in my son Caleb, because Caleb is now 18 years of age. And, and, and I raised that boy, I was there for him. And I can see so much that he has that I never had in it's like, wow, you know, and so my body, my soul, my emotions at time still aches. For Daddy, every boy needs his daddy, every man still needs his daddy.Unknown Speaker 25:51 Oh, wow.Ari Gronich 25:55 That may, you know, bring me to a different part of that discussion. Because when I I'm talking to friends about, you know, equal rights and black rights and things like that one of the biggest issues that I hear about from my friends in that community is the lack of ads. And if you trace back certain people, they might say that, that leads back to when trades stopped, basically being taught in schools prior to college. And, and when, you know, they attribute it to a time period, basically, but what would you say is been the noticeable impact that you can see on yourself and then on any other people in your community.Unknown Speaker 26:59 Um,Shawn Harper 27:02 identity, your daddy tells you who you are, your dad gives you that steel pole that goes right into the middle of your so it's like, this is who you are a man, the dad calls the king out of the kid, you know, the dad gives so much and it's amazing because our society tends, tends, tends to promote the opposite.Unknown Speaker 27:28 NowShawn Harper 27:32 I don't have to talk about from my perspective, the impact or the devastation of not having a father in the home, all you have to do is go look at the stats. And the stats are overwhelming even in the crime stats, even just just they've tracked all these matrixes if you know the kid, whether they're black or white, that doesn't have a father in the home. And so many times more likely to go to jail so many more times, likely a young lady to get pregnant so many more times, likely to be impoverished so many times across all socio economic situations and circumstances against different groups, not races, only one race, human race, but just different groups is just plain as day. But what be what bewilders me is that there's so much this this, there's little resources that are pointed towards that. I heard this one story about this kid who who wanted to play with his father and he took this sheet a disk this this newspaper, and he tore it up in little pieces, because on the back of the newspaper, it was a world. And he said if you can put this family back together, you know, son, I play with you. He figured he hadn't bought half our tiny little pieces, right? And he came up within five minutes. He says, Son, how did you do that? Did your mom help me? He said no. So on the back that there was a world when I put the world back together, the family came back together or vice versa, the family together the world came back together. but you get the point. And so it's like that family nucleus has been broken down. And I believe that it's going to take a group effort not only from blacks, whites, our entire culture, we have a responsibility of help putting that unit back together. Period. We have that I'm not asking for handouts. I'm not asking for you know, but when you look at our criminal justice system with like 90% African American male when you look at the disparity in sentencing versus like, you know, Caucasian person versus a black person for the same crime. We got to take a look at that and take a look at We all know when you do not give social assistance if a male is living in the house, really, if you have a man and a house, you can't get welfare. Like, what is that? Okay, you got to take a step back, like none of them. We got put the family back together and stop tearing it apart. And and we have to take as men take responsibility and to preserve the family, and stop perpetuating and break the inertia that's been established years ago.Ari Gronich 30:31 I'm glad that you added the personal responsibility. Yeah, there to that, becauseShawn Harper 30:37 I'm big on that.Ari Gronich 30:39 That is definitely a thing. But taking into account personal responsibility, what do you think that the original circumstances, because to me, if we if we want to solve a problem, we've got to find out the root, which is the initial why the thing that began at all? So what do you think was the initial? You know, part of that breaking apart of the family?Shawn Harper 31:09 The initial part of the breaking a part of the family is just that the breaking apart of the family? Where did that happen? Where, where was the family stripped the ideology, or the concept of the family destroys, or wherever in history, that you've had situations or circumstances where they destroyed the family, that is the Genesis or that is the crux of where it began. And so just go back and look and say, okay, ha, there it is, ha, there it is, Ah, there it is.Ari Gronich 31:52 So, I like to be more specific. And so in, in trying to be more specific, right, we've created a society that relies on both parents to be working 24 hours a day, seven days a week, just to survive. I mean, I know a lot of families that have two, three jobs between, you know, each person each day, and, you know, men have a, I think, a very interesting instinct to be supportive of a family. And when they lose that ability to be supportive. They tend to kind of run, because, you know, at least in my world, it's like, if you're not able to support your family, and what kind of man are you and go on that route of, and then he just kind of, alright, I can't handle being that. So I'm gonna just leave. Right. But to me that the beginning would have been when we decided that we needed people to work for their value, and make money for their value versus raise their family, which, you know, we don't provide a value for in our culture. And, and so just an interesting way of looking at it. I think.Shawn Harper 33:27 So. So what you've said, though, or what I heard is, is that the emphasis in the value has been taken off the family and placed on something else. Exactly. Yes. Yes.Unknown Speaker 33:47 Yes.Shawn Harper 33:50 I hear that. I understand that. Whether it's a white family, or whether it's a black family, that doesn't matter. Yeah, we have taken the emphasis off or the importance off of it. And we've sacrificed it in the name of profit, for status.Ari Gronich 34:09 Exactly, which is what I like to talk the most about is how we incentivize. You know, the things that we incentivize what, what's the cause of the issues of the world, the incentives that we decide to create? So in the case of say, healthcare, we incentivize procedures over results. In the case of agriculture, we incentivize bulk creation of profit over small individual farms, right? So we actually give tax incentives to these big companies that are poisoning the food rather than giving the tax incentives to the organic local farmers. Right? So therefore, our incentive is profit over people.Shawn Harper 35:04 I think that the, I think that the incentive is step two, I think that the greed is step one. Step one to me is the desire. So, like in, in, in the book of Genesis, it was Eve is when she saw the fruit to be good. So now that desire for profit, for gain now gives power to the incentives to achieve that. And so we have to go take it a step further and say, Hey, as you just said, your last phrase is that you have to elevate the people over the profit.Ari Gronich 36:01 Absolutely. And, you know, there used to be this thing about having integrity, right, we, you know, the quality of production was more important than anything else. Because if we put through something that was of quality, this is how we got the made in the USA, right? label of being such a powerful thing is because we created quality products, and now we've moved to creating lack of quality that's meant to basically what they call that it's premeditated, but it's, that's not the word, pre metod, meditated breaking of products. Planned obsolescence, that's what I'm talking about. So we've created this planned obsolescence for our products, so that they break down so that people have to buy more so that we build more profit. And so I mean, I don't know, I've seen radios from the 1920s that still work, and, you know, crank, record players and stuff like that, but I don't see very many boom boxes on the street anymore that are working. You know. So if we lose our quality, the value of quality of creating things that have quality, then we now create the incentive, as you said, the greed to make things not last. So where does the money go at the end of the day goes to nothing that's making anything creating anything new. Right, like betting on whether the people are gonna buy it or not? Right, that's where the money is made Wall Street. So that being said, because you're a business guy, what are your What are you doing in your business to be more pragmatic and heart centeredUnknown Speaker 38:09 about it?Shawn Harper 38:12 Well, so one of the things that I'm working on my struggle, and I'm learning is, at the end of the day, it's all about people, understanding people, being an excellent communicator, listening to people's issues past the bottom line, as a CEO, you know, the bottom line is extremely important. So instead of focusing on the bottom line, I focus on things that influences the bottom line. And so when you put the so now that you flipped it, I'm looking at people, people influenced my bottom line. So now guess what pouring into my people influences the bottom line. So now my bottom line is people not profit, the profit of take care of itself if you take care of the people.Ari Gronich 39:04 That is, one of the hardest things that I've ever had to get across to a company that I've consulted in their corporate culture, is that they need to switch their employees from being on the negative deficit side of a balance sheet to the asset side. If they start treating them like they're on that asset side, all of a sudden, their assets will grow.Shawn Harper 39:36 Yes, the ROI is off the chart in so many ways, not just in production, but an ideas, loyalty, referrals. It's just the list goes on and on. And so that's that's to switch now. I'm like, the ROI is you give what you want. And yeah, you pour into people.Ari Gronich 40:03 That's awesome. What do you do for the families of the people who work for you.Shawn Harper 40:08 So what we're doing now is, is that we are opening up, and we're extremely discreet about it. But if there is a challenge that's going on with one of our officers, that they have the right, or the spouse has the right to call in and say, Hey, this is what we're dealing with, you know, we need a loan, we have some problems. Someone who works with us as an actual counselor, you know, you know, we can give, you know, because sometimes the officer might not do it. But the spouse will. And so we're trying to create that net now. So, yeah,Ari Gronich 40:53 awesome. Yeah, one of the things that I like to scream to the corporate heads about is how they take care of their employees, but not just them. They have families that need to be taken care of, and then I go a little bit step out and say, Okay, so how you're taking care of your local communities? What are you doing for the local communities in order to uplift them? AndUnknown Speaker 41:26 so, yeah,Ari Gronich 41:27 do any outreach in your communities as well?Shawn Harper 41:30 No, not as much as we should we give anonymously and I do speaking engagements on behalf of American servers. But you know, honestly, man, it's like, it's like, you know, on a scale of one to 10, it's like a three, you know, it should be a whole heck of a lot more. Yeah, definitely, you know, a speech here and there is fine tinker with food pantry, you know, we should have a food pantry. So yeah, I'm definitely lacking or lagging in that. Definitely, I could do so much more.Ari Gronich 42:03 Hopefully, I just inspired you to get aShawn Harper 42:05 man you just like, you know, like a good coach, you know, he just called me out on that. So,Ari Gronich 42:12 you know, it's one of those things, a lot of companies, it's not that they're bad companies, or they don't, you know, it's, it's that they don't even think about the possibilities. You know, I have a company close to me, they've got 50,000 employees, they do $17 billion a year. And they have zero, in my opinion, corporate wellness program in place. And I look at that, and I go, Okay, so you have a community of 50,000 people directly, that would make it approximately 200,000 people indirectly, and then another, approximately, you know, in their surrounding community, couple 100,000, at least, like that's a big responsibility to be shirking.Shawn Harper 43:14 Right, but they have a bigger responsibility to their shareholders. Ah, so, yeah, so and so their shareholders are concerned about one word, profit. And, and as long as at the end of the year, you know, we're making, you know, our billions every single year, everyone is satisfied. And I feel good about myself, because that's the metrics in which I measure that. However, if there was another metrics, or another set to say, No, this is this company culture, which is huge, the value of your 50 mile radius of you, you know, that's when you that school is on you, if that's measured. So now what we have to do is that we have to go in and actually draw out those numbers in the state company wide, we are engaged not only on the big number, but we're engaged by these numbers to this is your win. not this, not just this, but this, this, this and legacy.Ari Gronich 44:18 Absolutely, absolutely. And just as a, you know, matter of fact, too, is that, statistically speaking, for every eight hours of a work day, the person's basically about three hours of that is is where they're productive, five hours non productive, three hours productive. So if you do things that help your employees take their mind off of their family, their stresses their other things, and you get productivity up, what happens to that profit statement, what happens to that bottom line? Right, is, you literally, let's say, Take 50,000 employees, and per week, you increase their productivity by one hour each. So instead of three hours, you turn it into four hours of productivity, right? So that's 50,000 employees an extra hour of productivity each day, save five hours of productivity each week, take that five hours of productivity and multiply it by the 50,000. People, you got that many more hours of work done? What's your bottom line going to be? Right?Shawn Harper 45:40 And, and, and also, you can, you can encourage and incentivize, incentivize, in directly back to the bottom line. It's like, you know, what, if we volunteer or whatever, we have a donor who's going to donate back to you know, or here's our goods and services, that's going to help and eventually, it'll come back to the bottom line. But they're caught up in that, like, let's say, my amazing wife was like, You know what, let's say I want to make like, $20,000. I'm gonna make $20,000 into next year, Okay, done, pay that off. Now. That doesn't impress my wife, who work probably for that company that you're talking about. It's based in Chicago, 50,000 employees. But if I said, You know what, we're going to make this money and we're going to give a portion of it to the needy down the street at the food pantry. Now she's like, oh, and that nice, timid, beautiful lady turns into a warrior goddess, like, Shira, she couldn't get those numbers. So if you find a way to engage people, and say, What is it after the profit? What is it after the money comes in now? What? incorporate and infuse that in your culture in in the day to day, like you mentioned earlier, then yeah, profit is a part of the process. It's not the end game.Unknown Speaker 47:22 SoAri Gronich 47:24 take this back to the NFL a little bit. And players versus owners. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And we're gonna we're gonna play this out, because it plays out in corporations as well as obviously in sports. But I want to get get your boxing gloves on a little bit. Because we're going to, we're going to, you know, share some reality. Sure. How much do the players get taken care of by the owners? Really? And when are the bullies and the people being bullied? When are the people being bullied going to get louder and stop the bullies?Shawn Harper 48:14 So let me answer the second one, in my opinion. When you talk about bullies, are you talking about the owners?Ari Gronich 48:23 And in many cases, yeah, owners are are soShawn Harper 48:28 I don't see the owners as bullies.Ari Gronich 48:32 It is the owners tourney's. Hmm. Maybe it's the owners attorneysShawn Harper 48:37 even No, no, no, no, no, they are CEOs, their business men and women. And they're looking at the bottom line. They're doing what they are supposed to do. And that's winning every facet. Now, what I will say is, is that there needs to be and there has been in a nice to be a whole heck of a lot more of saying, hey, this sport takes a lot from us players. It takes a lot mentally, it takes a lot physically. Now you got the whole CTE that mean, man, you're going to have to open up that wallet. And you're going to have to create situations and circumstances for us to win when the game is over. When we're done playing where's our winner? We're not winning. You're winning, but we're not winning. So guess what? The fact is, is that while we're playing, we're looking at you know, when the game is over, buddy, so that's our win when it's all said and done. So if we don't get the win, win, it's all said and done. You ain't getting the win now. So guess what, we got to come to the table you got to know set a few billion dollars aside of that profit and make sure that we get the win 15 years from that. Nash just beat Oh a you know, that's just that's just the nature of the game. You don't have a vested interest in that because we're gone. But we got a vested interest in it. So we're going to bring it to your attention right now today.Ari Gronich 50:11 Yeah. But I I'd say that they do have a vested interest in it, because people are gonna stop playing for major, you know, associations like this. If they're not being taken care of and start moving more towards creating their own organizations and their own their own things. Right.Shawn Harper 50:35 And no, you know, that no, it's I mean, other organizations have tried to start their own leagues, the NFL has destroyed every single one of them. You know, it they just roofless it just roof with, the only reason why this is even a conversation right now is the big elephant in the room. And that's social media. You guys 20 years ago, you know, of people stealing this information was still out there. But now I'm getting on Facebook talking about, you know, I'm still suffering from this. Now the media is picking this up, you know, so like, everyone, this is now the elephant in the room that has farted in everyone to smell like we have to deal with this. So now guess what is circling back to the bottom line. We need to deal with this. And so now they're forced to open up their wallets. And so now I think the bigger question is, is that as an owner,Unknown Speaker 51:36 should youShawn Harper 51:39 as an owner, should you already have had your wallet open in the first place?Ari Gronich 51:46 Yeah, so again, I have my own opinions, right? If we don't want big government, right, and we don't want corporate responsibility, then what? So we don't want government to, you know, on Social Security to get overrun. And we don't want our corporate owners to have to actually take care of the people that made their business for them. Because without the players, there is no business for them. Right? So without that, having that mindset that the bottom line is all I'm looking at, is really short sighted. Because if you think about it, those players when they're well taken care of, can be assets for their entire lives, not just while they're playing the game. And therefore, doing things that are promoting could be good for an owners bottom line. But if they're not taking care of their players, why would they want to do something for the team and the owner that isn't hasn't been taken care of. So that's why I'm saying like, if they actually were to think about it in a way other than mathematically, only mathematics with no context is what I'm saying. Then all of a sudden, the context becomes bigger than the mathematics and the mindset starts going, Yeah, but how can I make that work in my advantage otherwise, and you all of a sudden, open the doors of possibility because you're doing the right thing versus a closed door of a no.Shawn Harper 53:34 So check it out. Unlike life, there's only one matrix that drives numbers in the NFL, that's winning. When you go out Davis, you just win if the stadium is packed, the stadium will be packed, if you win. And so they're fixated on this season, how can we win that takes care of so many other things. However, now it like example, if you when the stadium is packed, the TV ratings are up, and there's more money is coming in. Now. However, the NFL owners are like, Wait a second, there are other variables that we've never considered before, like players after care, because now everyone is seeing this. Now we have multibillion dollar lawsuits, it's affecting the bottom line. Now we have the press and negative press as affecting the bottom line. Now we have all of these males, a mom who don't want the kids to play football, no more is affecting the bottom line. 15 1015 years from now. Now we have colleges and their own investigations as affecting the bottom line. Now we have to look at a mosaic of things other than winning on the field in that in and like perfect example, there could be a NFL player who gets you know, a domestic case and you know, and they're waiting to see what the press is going to do. Okay, get a slap on the wrist. You know, because you're good for the game, and then all of a sudden the press blows up like what you did? What do you got? Oh, no, we got to change that why that's now it's affecting the bottom line. So you're not going to get these people to change their mind till you start affecting the bottom line.Ari Gronich 55:18 Yeah, so I agree that that is probably the most motivating factor. What I like to attempt to appeal that appeal to is things like common sense, critical thinking and butterfly effect. What are your actions that are? What are the consequences to those actions? What are the consequences to those actions? And what are the consequences to those? And if those are affecting the people who are making your business for you, then you should probably address them at some level, in your mind before they become a problem. And that's goes back to your question, should they have thought of this ahead of you guys making a stink about it? And the answer is yes. If they were thinking far enough ahead to realize that this was going to be a consequence to them not thinking about it to begin with.Shawn Harper 56:11 So check it out. You ever watched that movie called? I mean, I mean, well, there's a show is, I think it's called Undercover Boss, right? Yes. And so it's like, you know, here's the CEO, he or she did come in, and they disguise themselves as an employee. Right? And then they work for maybe two or three weeks. What is the common theme? The common theme is, I never knew they had it this bad. Wow, I got to help out. Because I feel it, I see it. These guys and ladies are so far removed from the after life of the game and tell social media don't hear something here and there, they just move in a million miles. And now, they don't care about that. But now they have to care about that. And you know what? I'm not the moral police. I'm not saying well, this is how you should be thinking in this. And this is no, I'm like a put some jam over here for these players. You just keep doing what you're doing. It ain't my job to change your heart and change your mind that day. My job, my job is to make it fair for everyone for years to come and legacy winning legacy.Ari Gronich 57:28 So legacy is not just the games you won, but the people you left behind.Shawn Harper 57:40 Yes, right. Yes. And right now, you might not be thinking about my legacy. And so I'm going to force you to think about my legacy.Ari Gronich 57:49 And I'm forcing you to think about your own legacy and the impact that you've had on the people that have impacted you. So, you know, this is this is the the greatest debate in the world in general right now. And I like to bring it up in these fun ways. Because, you know, we can we can go on about, like, you know, do I care about the owners of the NFL, only in the sense that I've had too many NFL players have to come see me because they were injured, and they don't get taken care of by the teams or the people that, you know, they injured themselves for. And so on that level, I have a kind of an invested thing I want to see the people who are taking care of these players, you know, step up their game, so to speak, so that the players don't have to deal with the injuries quite the same way as they've had to in the past, and will get continuing care afterwards to make sure that their whole by the end of their career, not just at the beginning of it. Right. I think that personal. I thinkShawn Harper 59:01 that we're both saying the same thing. I think that where we might differ is, is you want a you might from what I'm hearing, when a conscious decision to say, Hey, this is the right thing to do. And while I'm saying I don't care what you think you can I don't care you were going to put it in play a system in play at the taken care of regardless.Ari Gronich 59:26 Right. And I get the doing it in spite of Yeah, right. No, yeah. And are you listening people? What what's wrong with being a good person and having integrity and doing the right thing? Like answer that question in a way that isn't just profit over people, right? Because without people you have no profit. Right, right, you have no business, you don't have any, you don't have anything.Shawn Harper 1:00:04 And that was the entire argument with the labor in the NFL. Pa who matters more the people that that was their entire argument, we matter more than your profit.Ari Gronich 1:00:18 Right. And I extend that because I have these conversations, like I was saying before, because I extend that same thing to the system of medicine, the governmental systems, the things that we're doing, that have nothing to do with getting a good outcome. Right. So we treat patients and we don't cure them. Right? Why not? What's the reason for it? Do you have a good enough explanation? For not talking about the things that make people healthy? You know, do you have a good enough explanation? Because I haven't heard one yet. So I want to get those out. And I like, I like being able to use the metaphor of the owners, because that's just the truth. What are what are some of the things that you love talking about when you're giving these talks to people, though, because I know, you know, you talk a lot about obviously, the sport and adversity and you're taking business, but what's what's the main themes like, give me three to four main themes of what you talk about in your talks, and then what somebody can actually do with those talks to create a new tomorrow today.Shawn Harper 1:01:47 I love I love to talk or the, or the nest that I come from, is mind shift. It's different mindsets. You know, it's it's, a lot of people think the way that they think, because they have a particular worldview. And that worldview has to be challenged in order for you to win. Let me give you an example of a worldview. A worldview is, you know what, you're going to work your butt off, and at the age of 65, you'll retire and you'll have and this and the money will be in a 401k and blah, that's a worldview. That's not accurate, because over 90% of people are dead or dead broke by 10, or 65, depending on the government for their their primary source of income over 90%. Okay, that's not an accurate worldview, the worldview up until recently was the best investment is your home, and we know right now, well, I'm gonna tell you right now, you know, unless you got some real estate that appreciates about 10 to 15% a year, your home is not your number one investment, let's, let's attack the world view. Like, I'm a emerging business owner, I don't say small business, because that's an oxymoron. I'm an emerging business owner. So, you know, I love what they give us. These are, these are the techniques and strategies you can use to grow your business, but I'm taking a step back, and I'm looking at them differently now. Because in within five years, you know, 85% of all businesses will go out of business, why wait a second, you know, if we're all listening to the same thing, you know, I take a you know, a take a shift with our actual with our actual educational system. I'm like, you know what, I got a problem with you guys. You know, I need to challenge the mindset that you've been taught it with your educational system that getting a collegiate education with $200,000 student loans is a great idea, it might not be a good idea. So I teach you this change in shift your mind to win in this game of life, just like the 46 bear was a man de Dahomey coaches were like, This is not fair. What is this? What is this 44th all the guys are down, what's a different mindset? And sometimes you gotta think outside the box and not get comfortable because if you're not careful, your comfort zone will become your casket.Ari Gronich 1:04:18 Okay, so that I'm just gonna do the mic drop on that one.You've heard a few of those, right?Shawn Harper 1:04:33 Yeah, just one or two. One or two?Ari Gronich 1:04:36 Yeah. So that's, you know, that's a mic drop moment. So now we know, okay, change your mindset. If somebody said that to me, I might go. Okay, I haven't heard that one before. Right. So let's give some tricks. Tips. How Choose, how did you change your mindset? And what are some ways that somebody can begin to change their mindset, especially when our mindsets are pretty engraved in our brains?Shawn Harper 1:05:15 Yeah, think differently. So you have to the the, the, the number one mindset that you have to change first and foremost, is your identity. That that's it right there is that, for me, I am a winner. That is the biggest mindset, right? That you, you have to change that because it changes your perspective, it changes your approach to life. Let me give you an example. If I'm on a roller coaster, like a six flags, right, and, and I'm in a roller coaster car, or let's use something a bit more that people can understand if, if I'm on a ferris wheel, and the bears will is up there, and I'm going around the Ferris wheel and it gets stopped at the top. I know it's a ride. So I can be a little nervous. But it's cool, you know, because it's a ride. I'm on a ferris wheel, you know, 300 feet in the air? And I don't know, what's her ride. And I don't know, if I'm gonna make it down. Do you know how scared I'm gonna be? I'm gonna be very scared. So when you approach this game of life, if you don't know who you are in this game, and if you don't know your projected outcome, and this is what I am, and this is what I do. In this game, the game is going to take you for a ride, if I step on the football field, without a jersey on, nobody recognizes me, your identity is everything. So my identity is that I am a winner. And so now I approach life from that. So naturally, when I start doing is I start studying other winners, then I start pulling laws from other winners, like a perfect example, is a guy named Walt Disney, Walt Disney was a winner. And he had Disney Land and he was landlocked. He couldn't build. So guess what he hired a team of people to secretly start buying acreage in Orlando, he brought up close to 30,000 acres of land before they realized what he was doing. That's a lot of capacity winners, always create capacity winners, always build teams, winners. Always start with the end in mind, Stephen Covey winners, always learn how to win and accept loss and learn from the loss. When we lose your study, you go to the field room and you understand your loss winners know their competition winners know themselves. Okay, and so now it's, it's a totally different mindset. But it starts with your identity. Because if you don't know who you are, you're who they say you are. And once somebody can name you, it has all authority and a power over youAri Gronich 1:08:03 don't know who you are, if you don't know who you are, you only knowShawn Harper 1:08:09 if you don't know who you are, you are who they say you are,Ari Gronich 1:08:11 you're who they say you are. Got it. Wow, it's pretty powerful. It's kind of like abrogating your personality and your who you are to the rest of the world. You know, it's interesting because a lot of people tend to do that and mask themselves off without even realizing that they've put a mask on.Shawn Harper 1:08:37 Yeah. That's image. Because we value image, we don't value identity.Ari Gronich 1:08:48 So how does one go about taking the mask off?Shawn Harper 1:08:54 integrity with yourself being truthful. And understand that it's okay to be everyone is like a piece of a jigsaw puzzle. You have strengths that poke out and you have weaknesses that poke in you have to be willing in okay with you in our in our society makes us so discontent to be who we are. That's why you want to spend all that money for a daggone Mercedes and live in a certain housing development where certain you always trying to become but you can never become unless you be so you know what, just be you and be happy with who you are.Ari Gronich 1:09:35 Nice. I think I think we'll leave the audience off with that. Because you know, what else? What else is there but being comfortable with? Yeah, you are and taking that out to the world. Yeah.Shawn Harper 1:09:58 This listeners listen. Because you get me on a roll here, I was gonna say one thing, okay? We are all in the business of selling. Okay? But before you try to sell anything to anyone else you sell to yourself, sell yourself in the mirror, you sell yourself, you're awesome. You're this thing that you sell yourself, before you sell to anyone else. sell yourself and never sell yourself short.Ari Gronich 1:10:29 But you're more than welcome to rant on my show any day. And get on a roll. And I really appreciate you being here and giving to the audience like this, like you have. I know, I asked some pretty crazy questions, gets you off off your normal game, hopefully a little bit. I like to, you know, throw the curves. Not just the past that straight nicely spiraled, but the ones that lemon out, you know. So. So I appreciate you being here. And, and we will, you know, we'll, we'll continue on these conversations. And hopefully the audience got a lot out of this. I'm sure that they did. And remember to rate subscribe, comment, like review, etc. Shawn, how can people get ahold of you if they'd like to? work with you?Shawn Harper 1:11:30 Yeah, so my actual website is Shawnharper.org. Or Seanspeaks.com Yeah, use Sean speaks.com. I'm giving away a free chapter of my book. And it's Sean Harper wins, w ins.com. And no, don't worry about that. Go to Shawn harper.co, you'll get the full book, I'll give you a full book, you get the full book and the Winning Edge understanding, winning strategies and tactics. Since we've talked about that, you pull that out, go to Shawn harper.co, you get the entire book for free. You ain't gotta go to Amazon. Yours. And last thing I'll say is, this is me, selfishly is Shawn Harper speaker on Instagram.Ari Gronich 1:12:21 That's it. That's awesome. Thank you so much for for that gift. I know that that'll be in and of itself a great value for the audience. So remember to go there, Shawnharper.com and get a copy of his book. And winning earn yourself. Yeah. And so winning mindsets. This has been a great new tomorrow episode. And let's remember to create a new tomorrow today. Activate your vision for a better world. I am your host Ari Gronich. Thank you so much, Shawn, for coming on. And we'd be out. Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. If you'd like to take this information further and are interested in joining a community of like minded people who are all passionate about activating their vision for a better world. Go to the website, create a new tomorrow.com and find out how you can be part of making a bigger difference. I have a gift for you just for checking it out and look forward to seeing you take the leap and joining our private paid mastermind community. Until then, see you on the next episode.
Hi, I am here with Shawn Harper, He Is An Experience Packed With High Energy And Never A Dull Moment. Shawn Rips Phone Books, Rolls Up Frying Pans And Carries Humans On His Back To Deliver A Winning Keynote Performance Customized To Fit Your Goals And AudienceCHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY SHAWN TO LEARN MOREhttps://www.shawnharper.org/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Shawn Harper 0:00 I'm not going to be that person trying to squeeze out for five more years and you know, it was just one day I just woke up you know towards the end I actually finished up in NFL Europe and and matt black for Kurt Warner you know and and when they I woke up and I was like you know what is over game over? It's time for It's time for it is time for another game. It's time for another game or another aspect of the game
Hi, I am here with Calin Correli, He is the Founder & CEO of Simplero.com - a fully integrated platform for coaches to transform lives at scale. Future special advisor to the President of the United States on conscious nation-building. He is an expert on personal and spiritual growth.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY CALVIN CORRELI TO LEARN MOREhttps://calvincorreli.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:07 Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I'm your host Ari Gronich and remember to LIKE SUBSCRIBE rate review comments below, do all of those things so we can start conversations that matter and create a new tomorrow today. Today with me I have Calvin Corelli. Calvin is a sass founder, serial entrepreneur and spiritual teacher, he founded a company called sin pleroma, which is an integrated software platform for coaches, authors, speakers, and other information marketers to run their entire business in one place. So that's pretty cool. But he calls that more Alas, instead of a SAS, which is love as a service versus software as a surface. So, you know, your your mission is amazing. And I'm gonna let you tell a little bit more about who you are why you created this platform, but more than anything, what what it is that you think the world needs to do, and us, you know, in it can do to make the world a little bit better place. So we'll get started with with just kind of your your quick bio, tell us a little bit about how you became who you are.Calvin Correli 1:29 Absolutely, yeah, thank you so much. I super appreciate you having me on here. Looking forward to the conversation with you today. I started simpler. So I was born and raised in Denmark and and, you know, was building always sort of an entrepreneur, both my parents were entrepreneurs, I got into computers and programming super early when I was like five or six years old, and got off to a good start on my career, always working pretty much always working for myself, I had one job for a company in Boston, just around the year 2000. But that was it. But then really got into struggling as an underdog were really kind of struggling all around as a human being to be honest, I felt like I had failed as a as a father as a husband, as a son to my parents as an entrepreneur, on all levels. And so it really got me down this path of soul searching of discovering questioning beliefs, learning to feel I was I grew up like I don't you can recognize this from yourself or clients, right? Like just not able to feel a thing. It was like I was living from my neck up. And all of his feeling stuff was like, a mystery. And it was just every once in a while it explode. So I went through that process of therapy and coaching and body therapy and working with a spiritual teacher. And that was what led to a moment where I was like, you know, finally asking myself the question, What am I here to do? What is it I really want to do versus just trying to be successful? Just trying to make money just trying to make ends meet? Right? So yeah.Unknown Speaker 3:13 So.Ari Gronich 3:15 So then, you know, my contrarian point of view in life is, so if business is at the heart of the possibility of solving the world's problems, why do you think we've allowed companies, as conglomerations of people to do things that are the antithesis of solving the world's problems? More on the side of creating issues where there maybe previously weren't any issues? Right? Yeah.Calvin Correli 3:49 So I mean, it's a good question, right? Like, I think the short answer is because we're humans, right? Because I mean, it's not isolated to to companies, obviously governments do you know, their fair share problems. I think, anytime humans come together, we we create a mess because we are a mess, which is why for me the goal really is to raise the conscious level I talk about physical, mental, emotional, spiritual maturity, those four right? Physical we got to be healthy body and mind are not separate, right? If your body is a mess, your mind is a mess. Mental learning to question your beliefs, just you know, realizing that you are not your thoughts, you are not your ideas about yourself, right. emotional maturity, learning to not suppress feelings, not vomit them out and identify with your feelings, but just feel them and let them flow through you. And spiritual in the sense of having a sense of a bigger purpose in life, some sort of meaning without it or lost, right. And they all tie together. And and so once that happens And we grow up as people, I think I bet you would agree the most, quote unquote adults in the world right now are really kind of children emotionally, physically, mentally, spiritually, right? It just happened to be in a in a in an adult body. So there is really is like a big massive maturity that needs to happen in the world. If we want to solve these problems, and once that happens, solving the problems becomes fairly easy. And then business and government can become a vehicle for solving those challenges. But when it's done unconsciously, yeah, it's gonna have the opposite effect.Ari Gronich 5:36 Yeah, it's interesting, some of the statistics that I've that I've heard, and and research is that people are approximately the age of their first major trauma.Calvin Correli 5:49 And don't make sense yeah,Ari Gronich 5:51 or that first major trauma happened, they kind of you kind of get locked in, yep, the maturity level of that age. And then anytime something triggers that the same feeling that happened with that trauma, you revert back to that age of a person and that reaction and those kinds of things. So it's kind of an interesting way of looking at it and perspective. And, you know, in my world, as a, as a therapist, and healer, and so on, the only way to solve that problem is to go after the issues that are in the tissues, so to speak. Or, you know, you have a some somatic trauma, which basically means a trauma to your physical self. And the only way to heal that trauma is to go directly to where that trauma occurred. And so an emotional trauma almost always happens in the body, as well. So when you look at like Chinese medicine, anger lives in liver wery, lives in the kidneys, the sweetness of life, in your pancreas, the lungs are joy, you know, feeling joy, your stomach is contentment. And so these emotions, you can imagine anytime somebody says, right, you know, I'm feeling this this, you know, little queasiness in my gut? Well, that's an emotion that's creating a physical response. Right?Unknown Speaker 7:33 Yeah.Ari Gronich 7:34 Tell us how you've come along this, this journey of finding out that, you know, you are having some of these kinds of issues. And what did you do? Like, I mean, the actual steps that you took to start the process of healing, and let's go with the beginning of that process, because, you know, I know a lot of people, it's the beginning that they struggle with the most. Yeah,Calvin Correli 8:03 so let me just on what you were saying with the issue in the tissue and the ages for so I was fortunate because I'm from Denmark, I discovered there's a there's a therapy form there called body SDS, which is body therapy is a system that's developed in Denmark by this incredible genius has passed now, but they're like third and fourth generation are now actively, you know, working on it, my friend, I've become friend with the founder of the education there. He's 5657 karate champion has educated 600 therapists over there. So it's one of my projects is actually to bring that to the US. Because I have tried a ton of different things. And this is just so powerful, I really getting to those core wounds in the body, because a lot of this stuff is you can't really get through it with words, because it's pre cognition. And so the body is such a powerful tool. So I'm so with you on that.Ari Gronich 9:03 Interesting. So let's talk about the menu. So the menu, they found, as if it's more than two pages, it causes people to go into choice overwhelm.Calvin Correli 9:22 If we talk about like food menus at a restaurant, what kind ofAri Gronich 9:25 restaurant they found, the science this study, the research has found that if there's more than two pages on a restaurant menu, then people go into choice, overwhelm, and they are less satisfied with their choice than if they have a one page or a two page menu, and only have certain things that they can get. They choose what they want. And they're happy with their choice because the limit, so you talks about going onto Google, Google is to me A couple billion page menu. And you know, you got Dr. Google you got, you know, that a lot of people are using for their, their, their medical questions. But the idea behind this is that, do we have too many choices, and not enough truth to where people can't make a decision, they get overwhelmed with information and all of a sudden, they can't make a choice, they can't make a decision, they can't make an action because of this overwhelm. And, and now they're not satisfied because of too much choice.Calvin Correli 10:38 Well, yes. And I mean, that's not gonna go away, right? That's never gonna change. So we That's just a fact that we have to adapt. Like, the the being unhappy with your choice is just back to what we were talking about a while ago with, like, you know, believing your thoughts, right, so. So just ignore that voice. It's one of the things that we're not, it seems we're not teaching people is like fundamental thinking skills. But I'm not even gonna say critical thinking skills, just any kind of thinking, honestly, is in short supply. Right? So so just learning to be like, Okay, what is the problem? What is the outcome that I want? Even? I mean, honestly, even that is one of the things that fascinates me about politics, is we're constantly debating this intervention or policy versus that. And nobody's saying, Well, hey, why don't we stop it stop for a second? What does success look like? What do we actually want to achieve here? And like, Can we get agreement on that first? And then Alright, what parameters? Are there for a solution for an for a strategy where like, what values do we have? Can we get agreement that and then we can start brainstorm solutions, right? But if you haven't figured out what you want first, then nothing else makes sense. Right now, though, everything else just becomes a waste of time. And we people don't get these basic things about how to solve problems. I see it too in business, so many people who are focused on tasks, what are the things I need to do? And I'm like, well, but like, it's not working. We're like, this is what this is the goal. This is the outcome, like, what else can we try? Right? Because that didn't work. And so there's some fundamental thinking skills that people are missing. SoAri Gronich 12:20 yeah, this is one of the biggest issues that I have system wide in almost every system that we've created in the last 20 plus years. Maybe 30, maybe 40 depends on the system is we're all about procedures versus results. So we do digital marketing right now, because that's my biggest challenge. I'm not a digital marketer, put a body in front of me, I could turn it into Olympic champion, not a problem. Easy peasy. Put a computer in front of me and tell me to digitally market with web hooks and funnels and triggers and minutiae. And I go back. And so as I go to hire people, my biggest frustration is they're trying to charge me for tasks like, well, if I put 15 posts on your Instagram, that's going to be this amount of money. If I post, if I if I add, Instagram and Twitter, that's that amount of money, even though it's the same post and I created it, and I just took twice, but I'm gonna charge more. And then if I do this, it's that amount of money. Like, okay, so what are the results that are going to come? Well, I can't guarantee results. And I go, Okay, and then I look at medicine and I see the same thing. It's, we need to do an MRI or an MRI for for a knee injury, right? So you tear meniscus or muscle ligament, you need to do an MRI. But if you go to a doctor, first thing that you got to do is an X ray. Why? Because you got to do an X ray before you do an MRI. Why? X ray is not going to show me what an MRI is gonna show me. So why do I need to do the X ray first? It's another procedure. It's another task. It's another thing that makes absolutely no difference in outcome. Zero, zilch. NadaCalvin Correli 14:21 for you. But for them. It makes pocket book rightAri Gronich 14:25 make pocket book. But what that does is it creates a scenario in which we create incentivized fraud only, right? we incentivize fraud by doing those kinds of things. We do it in companies, we do it in business, we do it and all kinds of the aspects of our life these days, because we're doing task as you said, versus results. And so let's talk about that a little bit because I just had my now my nice little rant but what do you think the cost is of Task versus result oriented thinkingCalvin Correli 15:03 oh boy, I mean it's it's massive right it's everywhere and it's it's the it's the lack of transparency in in choosing right because if you could choose between doctors that did it one way versus the other like duh right but there's no transparency there oftentimes there's there's like de facto monopolies so and then it's the population just being aware of it and and and choosing based on that we have this tendency to just give her authority away to whomever right i think it was Warner Earhart, founder of s back in the day he had the saying that people walk around with their umbilical cord in hand just looking for someone to plug it in somewhere somewhere to plug it into, which I think is a great way to say it. I think it's really true like people are constantly looking to outsource their authority to someone right or something. So yeah. But it's it's it's everywhere. It's like one of my pet peeves is the the whole cookie thing like EU and GDPR all these privacy laws and like these specialties like cookie banners that pop up everywhere, it's like they're designed for people who visit like one or two websites per week, or maybe per day, right? But when you visit like 50 to 100 websites in a day you end up like clicking that damn thing over and over again. And we condition people just click the the Yeah, whatever, go away, right? Like we we don't read them, we can't. And so that's another like, someone is making a law. That's like making us more private see secure or whatever, on paper, but in practice, it does nothing. It does the exact opposite, at great cost to every company business needs to implement this every user of the internet that needs to click these stupid ass things, right? It's it's just, there's no accountability. We're not holding other people, businesses, politicians, bureaucrats accountable for actual results. And there's that yeah, it's like a lack of culture of thinking that way. The cost is a mess.Ari Gronich 17:10 Thank you so much, Calvin for coming on. I know the audience has gotten a lot of benefit from this conversation and the things that you had to say. And so I really am grateful for this conversation for you helping people create their new tomorrow today and activate their vision for a better world. I am your host, Ari Gronich. And this is awesome conversations with Ari. No, it's not. It's it's just creating a new tomorrow. But remember to LIKE subscribe, rate review, comment below so we can start conversations that move the country forward, moving ourselves forward, and create your new tomorrow today. Thank you so much, and I'll see you next time.
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And remember to LIKE SUBSCRIBE rate review comments below, do all of those things so we can start conversations that matter and create a new tomorrow today. Today with me I have Calvin Corelli. Calvin is a sass founder series, serial entrepreneur and spiritual teacher, he founded a company called some clairo, which is an integrated software platform for coaches, authors, speakers, and other information marketers to run their entire business in one place. So that's pretty cool. But he calls that more Alas, instead of a SAS, which is love as a service versus software as a surface. So, you know, your your mission is amazing. And I'm gonna let you tell a little bit more about who you are, why you created this platform, but more than anything, what what it is that you think the world needs to do, and us, you know, in it can do to make the world a little bit better place. So we'll get started with with just kind of your, your quick bio, tell us a little bit about how you became who you are.Calvin Correli 1:37 Absolutely, yeah, thank you so much. I super appreciate you having me on here. Looking forward to the conversation with you today. I started simpler. So I was born and raised in Denmark and and, you know, was building always sort of arms when we're both my parents were entrepreneurs, I got into computers and programming super early when I was like five or six years old, and got off to a good start on my career, always working pretty much always working for myself, I had one job for a company in Boston, or just around the year 2000. But that was it. But then I really got into struggling as an entrepreneur really kind of struggling all around as a human being to be honest, I felt like I had failed as a as a father as a husband, as a son to my parents as an entrepreneur, on all levels. And so it really got me down this path of soul searching of discovering, questioning beliefs, learning to feel I was I grew up like I don't you can recognize this from yourself or clients, right? That like just not able to feel a thing. It was like I was living from my neck up. And all of his feeling stuff was like, a mystery. And it was just every once in a while would explode. So I went through that process of therapy and coaching and body therapy and working with a spiritual teacher. And that was what led to a moment where I was like, you know, finally asking myself the question, What am I here to do? What is it I really want to do versus just trying to be successful, just trying to make money just trying to make ends meet? Right. And that was what I sat down one day, and and in that process, sort of arrived the answer to me, I'm here to integrate spirituality and entrepreneurship. At the core, we're not spiritual on Sundays, or, you know, sort of, you know, on the side, it's, it's at the heart of what I do for a living what I do in business, my my company's here to be an integral part of my spiritual mission, if you will, my life purpose. And I was like, what I realized is that that's really how we can solve all of the challenges that we're facing as humanity is by it's not through government. It's not through, you know, nonprofits, because business business is at the core of like creation. And if business has done well, it can really solve all of the challenges that we're facing. And I mean, business is just a collection of people coming together to solve problems. That's kind of all it is, right. Yeah. So yeah. So.Ari Gronich 4:25 So then, you know, my contrarian point of view in life is, so if business is at the heart of the possibility of solving the world's problems, why do you think we've allowed companies, as conglomerations of people to do things that are the antithesis of solving the world's problems? More on the side of creating issues where there maybe previously weren't any issues? Right? Yeah.Calvin Correli 4:59 So I mean, Good question, right? Like, I think the short answer is because we're humans, right? Because I mean, it's not isolated to two companies, obviously governments do, you know, their fair share problems. I think anytime humans come together, we we create a mess because we are a mess, which is why for me the goal really is to raise the the conscious level I talked about physical, mental, emotional, spiritual maturity, those four, right? Physical, we got to be healthy body and mind are not separate, right? If your body is a mess, your mind is a mess. Mental learning to question your beliefs, just you know, realizing that you are not your thoughts, you are not your ideas about yourself, right? emotional maturity, learning to not suppress feelings, not vomit them out and identify with your feelings, but just feel them and let them flow through you. And spiritual in the sense of having a sense of a bigger purpose in life, some sort of meaning without it or lost, right. And they all tie together. And and so once that happens, and we grow up as people, I think I bet you would agree the most, quote unquote adults in the world right now are really kind of children emotionally, physically, mentally, spiritually, right? It just happened to be in a in a in an adult body. So there is really is like a big massive maturity that needs to happen in the world. If we want to solve these problems, and once that happens, solving the problems becomes fairly easy. And then business and government can become a vehicle for solving those challenges. But when it's done unconsciously, yeah, it's gonna have the opposite effect.Ari Gronich 6:46 Yeah, it's interesting. Some of the statistics that I've that I've heard, and and research is that people are approximately the age of their first major trauma. AndCalvin Correli 6:59 don't make sense. Yeah,Ari Gronich 7:00 over that first major trauma happened, they kind of you kind of get locked in, yep, the maturity level of that age. And then anytime something triggers that the same feeling that happened with that trauma, you revert back to that age of a person and that reaction and those kinds of things. So it's kind of an interesting way of looking at it and perspective. And, you know, in my world, as a, as a therapist, and healer, and so on, the only way to solve that problem is to go after the issues that are in the tissues, so to speak. Or, you know, you have a some somatic trauma, which basically means a trauma to your physical self. And the only way to heal that trauma is to go directly to where that trauma occurred. And so an emotional trauma almost always happens in the body, as well. So when you look at like Chinese medicine, anger lives in liver wery, lives in the kidneys, the sweetness of life in your pancreas, the lungs are joy, you know, feeling joy, your stomach is contentment. And so these emotions, you can imagine anytime somebody says, right, you know, I'm feeling this this, you know, little queasiness in my gut? Well, that's an emotion that's creating a physical response. Right?Unknown Speaker 8:43 Yeah.Ari Gronich 8:44 Tell us how, how you've come along this, this journey of finding out that, you know, you were having some of these kinds of issues, and what did you do? Like, I mean, that the actual steps that you took to start the process of healing, and let's go with the beginning of that process, because, you know, I know a lot of people, it's the beginning that they struggle with the most. Yeah,Calvin Correli 9:13 so let me just on what you were saying with the issue in the tissue and the ages for so I was fortunate because I'm from Denmark, I discovered there's a there's a therapy form there called body SDS, which is body therapy. It's a system that's developed in Denmark by this incredible genius has passed now, but they're like third and fourth generation are now actively, you know, working on it, my friend, I've become friend with the founder of the education there. He's 5657 karate champion and has educated 600 therapists over there. So it's one of my projects is actually to bring that to the US because I have tried a ton of different things and this is just so powerful. I really getting to those calls. Core wounds in the body, because a lot of this stuff is you can't really get to it with words, because it's pre cognition. And so the body is such a powerful tool. So I'm so with you on that. And one a part of my journey has been to rediscover my relationship with my masculine side and with my father. And so that was a very deliberate process of, of reconnecting with sort of like an six, eight year old version of myself, and then figuring out how to reparent him up to being you know, a young, healthy adult. But that's more recent, that was like three years ago that that journey started for me. The the going back in time to answer your question was like, the beginning. I think, very early moment was in 2003, when, when a friend of mine I had I had called an advisory board meeting for my company. And I brought some some really smart friends of mine, people that I knew. And afterwards, one of them looked me in the eyes and you're like, dude, we've been here for three hours, and I still don't know what you want. And there's something in that question that just made me like, wow, like, you know, how those like questions that just open open a gap in your consciousness, your mind somewhere, you're like, wait, I didn't know that there was a, like any, like, a bit, there was a hole here. But now there is, it was like, I didn't know that you were allowed to watch anything in business. I thought it was all like, you know, oh, we just do business stuff. And, and then I was like, I didn't know what I wanted. I just wanted to be, quote unquote, successful. So that I would feel okay or worthy. I didn't have any clue what I wanted. And I think that was the moment that sort of sparked that realization that I don't know what I want. Because I can't feel a thing. I can't feel myself. And so one of the things I did was my mom had a friend, who was a therapist, really interesting guy, by the way. So he had started as a surgeon doing breast operations on women with breast cancer. And what he had noticed was that they all had the same psychological pattern. There was resentment towards men, and there's resentment towards their own femininity, and serious like, what is that and so he hates went back to school to study psychology, because he's like, hey, if I can solve this before I have to cut these ladies breasts off, that would kind of be a lot better. And so that was what he did. He he's passed now, but that was what he dedicated his life to since then. And so I, I kind of found his phone number and gave him a call. And I was like, Hey, I think I need some help here. I think I need to talk to a therapist, and I was terrified. I was terrified of admitting that I wouldn't, I didn't want my parents to know, I didn't want any of my friends to know, I had this idea that if you need to talk to a therapist, you're really broken. Right? That's kind of admitting defeat, like, at that point, you might as well go kill yourself. But then, like, I wasn't gonna do that. So this was as close as they got. But that was really my belief system was that there had to be something terribly wrong with you, if you needed that, like I learned. Everybody needs help, right? We're all kind of, you know, messed up with their from our, from our upbringing, and it's our job to go sort out that mess, right? reparent ourselves, because our parents probably didn't do a great job. But that was like, it was a big step for me. I'll tell you just admitting that I needed help. And yeah, that was, that was my first step. And then like, once I got going on that I was like, let's, you know, I hired a coach at one point that felt kind of safe to write like business coaching. Yeah, that's good. hired a coach and she was like, a couple sessions into it. She was like, you should you should take this coach education and learn to become a coach. Iwas like, wait, me, like, I'm a tear. I'm not a people person. Everybody tells me I'm terrible with people, like what would I do doing that? But I did, and I loved it. And so, you know, and I remember thinking like, Alright, once I've taken this education, then I know everything there is to know about like psychology, like, you know, humans and how their brains work. Yeah, no.Ari Gronich 14:34 It's a pretty deep topic. Yeah, absolutely. So you know, if you were to just take a look behind the scenes, so to speak behind the curtain at what it is that is at the root cause of kind of all of this. Let's say opposition to nature. Right, which is opposition to nature, meaning we don't do the things that we know to do to feel good. Like, connect with community and family on a regular basis. That's something we've studied, we know that the people who do that live the longest are the happiest, etc. We don't do that here. So why don't you kind of break apart or break down for us some of the things that you've found to be solutions for kind of the, the state we find ourselves in as far as emotionally drained, I mean, you obviously we see all of the current suicides and abuse and protests and dissatisfaction with the world as as it is. And then we'll get into kind of my perspective on it, is, we created this shit out of our imagination. And now we're complaining about it rather than fixing it. So if we can realize that we've made this whole thing up, maybe we can start the process of making it better. So what what is your take on from your education, the experiences that you've had, on what it is that we would need to do, to kind of come back to that natural way of being with each other and with ourselves? Yeah.Calvin Correli 16:43 I think at the root of it is us believing our thoughts. I like we believe that the thoughts that are in our heads are true, right? And that they have something valuable to tell us, which sometimes they do. But oftentimes, they don't, right. If you could imagine living in a state where there are no thoughts or that whatever thoughts are, they're just kind of passing by, and you're not, you know, attached to them like meditation, right? Once you do that, in that state, inside, you will find every single time is this sense of spaciousness, and joy. And you're just present in the present moment, right? There's never any dissatisfaction in that, never ever, right? It doesn't exist, right? The dissatisfaction only exists, because we're telling ourselves a story about something that should be the way it's not. And then we become unhappy, right? That's the only way that happens. And it happens reflexively. And will, like, we can still have feelings in that state in that thoughtless state, you will, but they pass through quickly, right? Like, they just like, you know, they're just waves and we ride the wave and then it's gone. And then it's out. Right? So it's, it's when we when we get stuck in our belief patterns, and then that we do that so habitually, that it really gets in and becomes part of our biochemistry, right. Like if it infects our liver. I remember you mentioned with the lamprey liver and the anger, right that I saw studies some years ago, where they gave multivitamins to prison inmates and violence in the prison dropped, because it actually helped their liver, and then they're less violent, right? It's like, these things are tied together. So I really think at the at the root of it is our believing in our thoughts. Like, Oh, I got it, I'm behind, I gotta rush I got like, all these things, right? And then we, then we just, like, stop being present with ourselves. And then with others. I mean, that's, that's the route.Ari Gronich 18:58 So you've had I'm sure a lot of clients, a lot of people pass through your your software, so you get to see a lot of data. What do you think is the number one thought that you've seen with your clients the number one thing that is recurring amongst the people that that you've talked to your clients, the data that you've seen, that number one thing that's stopping people from being happy, the number one thought that's keeping them out of, you know, being in life fully?Calvin Correli 19:40 Yeah, it's, I just need to get to here and then I will write I just need like, no more customers or I just need like this to change or my health or whatever it is. It's kind of like that, you know, like the, the horse or the donkey with a carrot on a stick out in front. Right. And that's how we live our lives, like, I just get to get this, like, finish with with school, then I gotta get this degree, then I gotta get this job, then I just gotta get this promotion, then I just gotta get like, whatever it is right? Like, you know, I'll just have to find a good partner and then, like, have kids then like when the kids are in school, when they're out of school, like when they leave, like, and then we wake up one day, and we're old and retired. And we're like, oh, yeah, like all the things that we were going to do. And now we don't have the health or the energy or, you know, the desire anymore. It's, it's so habitual for us to always be looking to the future.Unknown Speaker 20:41 Hmm.Ari Gronich 20:42 I'm so looking to the future. When I look to the future, because you know, and I'll take a saying, out of context and out of probably exact, exact repeating, so it's, it's me just paraphrasing, but a man's grasp, or reach should exceed his grasp, or else what's heaven for? Yeah, that's the saying. And yeah, dia is that you're reaching much, much, much further than you think you possibly can grasp? Because that's how you reach to heaven. Right. But that seems to be what you just said is something that is causing people a lot of anguish and emotional drainage and, and pain. Yeah. Yeah,Calvin Correli 21:40 that's challenges. There's a concept that I talked about, which is the satisfied drive. Right. So I love that like divine dissatisfaction, It's never good enough. We're always striving to do better, we're always going for more, I think that's a natural part of life, right? It trees constantly growing. But that doesn't mean that you have to be dissatisfied with where you're at. Right? It's that feeling that like, Okay, this, I'm unhappy right now, because I feel unworthy. That was my thing, right? I'm not worthy until I'm, I'm successful to some metric, whatever arbitrary metric that was, sometimes it would be like, I have to have a company with 50 employees. I think that's because my mom's software company, she grew it to about 50. Other times, it was like, I have to have Bill Gates level wealth before I turn 30. That was a little bit more challenging, and challenging. And it was gonna waver, right? In order to prove myself worthy of even existing, right, that's not a good place to be in. It's not right. So it's really the ability to love ourselves. And love life as it is love the present moment love reality, exactly as it is right now. And yet still be driven out of love, but not out of fear, not out of unworthiness, and needing to prove ourselves but but out of the love of creating stuff of expressing yourself and putting it out there. That's where we want to, that's where we want to create from. Right, right. AndAri Gronich 23:15 so the question becomes, you know, we were in this interesting world, at the moment, where there is the perception of a massive amount of problem, meaning, we're being locked down or being shut down, we're being censored, all these kinds of things, right. And so, the complaining is, at this level of unimaginable, worldwide, whining, you know, so to speak. The people that I've talked to, that I that I like to talk to, are the people who are creating solutions, who are pivoting who are moving towards something else. And that gives them a sense of value. And what you're talking about with this unworthiness, I think that this is a bigger issue, then. Then we talk about for sure. How many people and this is going out to the audience right now? How many of you have felt unworthy in your life? Not just unworthy? Until but unworthy, even though, even though I've already been a success, even though I've already made a massive impact, even though so if you're a leader in the world right now, and you're still feeling that, I'm unworthy thing, so how do you unpack that? worthy thing for your clients because i don't think that most people understand how to unpack that that's such an ingrained human mindset place to beUnknown Speaker 25:15 yeahCalvin Correli 25:18 i think i agree and i think and relate it to is the sense of guilt right guilt for for for a hat maybe having achieved and you don't again quite feel worthy of it and then that leads to sense of guilt or you know sense of privilege or whatnot yeah to me it's it's one of the things that tends to work for me is to just say alright so whatUnknown Speaker 25:45 so whatCalvin Correli 25:46 maybe i am unworthy that can i can i just accept that can i live with that like what is it really it's it's it's a belief right that starts a feeling and then that feeling we like label as something unwanted like oh i don't want this like a bad feeling right we don't even really feel it but we just don't want it there's a saying that i love which is every any struggle is a struggle to avoid feeling a certain feeling and so we just go out of our ways to avoid touching that thing that makes us feel unworthy instead of going the other way and just being like alright let me just feel it and then let me one of the things i love to do is instead of like going into sort of the label of the feeling of unworthiness just what is the sensation is it like a slight vibration in my chest is it like tingling since it is like what is the physical sensation forget the label forget the thoughts just focus on your body and when you go to that really unworthy place like what is what is it the body sensation and then just breathe into that and allow it to expand and expand and just like roll with it enjoy it and what you realize oh it's actually kind of fun it's a little ticklish is little you know it's you realize it's not dangerous at all it's not scary at all and then it stops having this this power over you and maybe it's okay like instead of being like oh no i want to prove that i am worthy like go away stupid unworthiness feeling right just allow yourself to maybe maybe i am unworthy unworthy for what what does it even mean right and then starts to kind of break downAri Gronich 27:33 right bucky fuller who's an inspiration for the show he was kind of the inspiration for my book and you tomorrow i don't know if you know who buckminster fuller was but do one of his quotes and i'm gonna bastardize this you know pretty good but it's we have to get over the auspicious notion that people need to work in order to be a value there is currently and this was back in the 60s he says there's currently approximately 10,000 people on the planet that have the technology and creativity to create enough technology that nobody else on the planet will even need to work let alone have that be the their value system so you know going with this thought since i completely paraphrased the actual quote but going with the thought that we don't need to work to be of value that completely goes against the nature of this country at least of the united states and a lot of countries as well as that we need to work in order to be a value and yet we end up working 40 to 80 hours of you know a week of of the of our life and doing that for 40 plus years and never really living so how do we how do we break that auspicious notion that in order for people to be of value and deserve food and health and life right that they need to be actively working at a thing that may or may not even be the thing that they're you know passionate about good at or wanting to doUnknown Speaker 29:37 yeah so hereCalvin Correli 29:38 here's my thoughts on that i think there's an inherent need for humans to feel of value to be of service to other humans right to do something that other people appreciate and and the way that we show that tend to show that appreciation is with money right that that we exchange values ideas money i think I think that's deep in us, like that need to contribute in some way to to be part of this exchange. I think I do think it's, I think any form of feeling unworthy, or guilty or wrong is unhelpful. I think, you know, self love is superior, I think a lot of the things that people associate with, you know, people being too full of themselves, and that kind of stuff is really, you know, just lack of self love, really. So I'm a huge, I'm a huge fan of self love. So, and there is this tendency, right, like, whenever we get new technologies that allows us to work more efficient, so we'll have more free time. Yeah, right. Right. That never ever happens. Because it just, you know, then it just ups the competition game. And the reality is, we live in it in a competitive world, right? That's just by nature. That's how it works. Right? Like, just in the animal world, it's still a competitive world. So yeah, so I'm not really sure. One thing I'm not personally a fan of the government stepping in. And, and sort of, like, you know, taking over and paying people like, for me, it's like the, the more that we can just do amongst people, amongst ourselves, the better it is so. So I don't, I'm just yeah,Ari Gronich 31:19 I'm gonna, I'm gonna kind of put my two cents in here, right at that at this place. The government is people. And I'm, I'm saying that in a way, I want to really drive this home to the audience, the government is people, we made it, we created it, we built the systems around it, we turned it into this massively, you know, massive machinery of of life, but we created it. And I and I'm really, I get really tired of people saying things like the government shouldn't as if it's something separate from We the People, right? Because we the people, are the people that make up the corporations, we make up the government, we make up the rules, we make up the systems and we make up the entire way in which we live by. And I find that people use the government as a really great scapegoat so that they don't have to take any responsibility in what's going on by saying, well, the government shouldn't or the government should, or the government this as if it's something separate from us. And so what I would say to what you just said, is to the audience, if you don't like how big the government is, how slow the government is, how inefficient the government is, how whatever it is that you have an opinion about the government, for you are the person responsible for making that government different. So if we got 50 million people who are really dissatisfied with the government that's made up of, like, 500 600 people, then shouldn't those 50 million people stop the machinery of the government and shift it or do something to change it or, you know, run for office, so you could be a part of the solution versus a part of the problem and the whining? So it's just my controversial side that says, I get it, that people think that these governments are such evil entities, and the people who run them are such agenda driven people. But the fact of the matter is, it's you.Unknown Speaker 34:00 Yeah, well, yeah.Calvin Correli 34:02 I agree. Like, we we we like for some for some version of we, like people created the government, right. And people run run the government. Yes. Absolutely. And, yeah, and there's there. I think my point is just there's, you know, there's several organizational vehicles with which to achieve certain ends, right. Government is one business is another just neighbor to neighbor or communities or, or, you know, our other vehicles, NGOs or vehicles, nonprofits. So there's different organizational structures that can achieve different things, and some are better suited for certain things than others.Ari Gronich 34:46 Right. Really, I and then I can totally agree with and like I said, the only the only caveat I would say is, I don't find anything different about a bureaucrat at a company versus a bureaucrat. government versus a bureaucrat in your homeCalvin Correli 35:04 right yeah yeah the difference is like the monopoly situation that the government inherently has right whereas if it's a company and then you might presumably have choice assuming that they're not a monopoly but yeah it's it's fascinating how i keep seeing these numbers just anecdotally of like how many people distrust the government and yet keep giving power to the government right it's like wait what's the disconnect here rightAri Gronich 35:29 exactly that's cognitive dissonance about who needs to do right so two people i think that we've created a society where you got to work 40 to 80 hours a week just to survive and even that may or may not be a good survival right and in normal jobs and and so people have stopped doing civic kind of work in many cases and and paying attention to the issues of the day and therefore the issues of the day have snowballed and by snowballing now it's like this massive thing versus what could have been something small that just could have been melted away now you've got this massive solid ball of you know rolling ice right right for the town so to speak and and so yeah we you know getting back to a place where people can remember their civic duties in some cases their community duties and and you know i get it politics are all about national international now but getting into your local community government where the initial fraud is happening where theUnknown Speaker 36:57 show rightAri Gronich 36:58 you know where that's going to be what really affects you the audience the most so anyway that's yeahCalvin Correli 37:06 and that's a good point because i was just talking to someone who's who's working with the i forget it was an honestly if it was like new york city or new york state government whatever whatever like the board or like whatever the i don't even know what it's called but like the kind of like congress for the city of the state level and they're just having tremendous trouble just getting people who are willing to run right people who are willing to you know occupy those seats like which is fascinating because like it's work that that you know needs to be done but there's very few people who are willing to do and i totally understand why they're not real i mean i wouldn't do that right like it's i could you know create a much better life and make more money doing doing what i'm doing why would i why would i do that so it is it is kind of fascinating umi had another thought which was i forget what that was but anyway yesAri Gronich 38:04 yeah i would rather be a consultant to the government than in the government but that's yeah that's just because i like to be artistic sure you know i like to to not have a position i like to not artificially labeled myself as any one thing and i think that when you're a politician we've gotten to a place where you have to label yourself something right so those labels to me as well are part of what helps create this divideUnknown Speaker 38:36 right hereCalvin Correli 38:37 there's an interesting there's a town over in the uk called froome if r o m e where there's a party called independence from so the city council has 17 seats and this guy decided to start a party where there's no party discipline so each member of the party is into an individual they get to vote however they want they're just a party for technical reasons first time they ran they got 10 seats out of 17 next time they got all 17 and so they have this process where when they argue they have facilitators sometimes and they'll they'll have this process where they need to argue the opposite viewpoint of what they like they have to switch sides and argue each other's case etc and they bring in people so it's more of a problem solving thing then then traditional politics and presumably works really really well so i'm fascinated with things like that right like there are things that we can do to solve this if people care enough i remember what i was thinking before which is what you're talking about was the people having to work you know you know a lot of hours they don't have the time etc i'm also fascinated with how it seems like i grew up into i live in new york city now but i grew up in denmark and i think that has been attended advantageous in many ways he had you know great school and my parents were very good at you know they taught me to program and all these things but there's seems to Be a complete lack of teaching people fundamental life skills in this country, right? Which is why we end up on that treadmill because you don't need to live on that treadmill. If you invest there communities that are that are consistently investing in their education. I think like Chinese Americans tend to be really good at that Asians maybe in general, right, some Jewish Jewish culture around like, get educated, you know, get good grades, you know, put in hard work. stay ahead of the game. I remember also just, they just released the hillbilly elegy on Netflix. I haven't seen it yet. But I read the book, have you heard of it? No. So as a guy named JD Vance, and you you grew up in, I think, in the Appalachian sort of redneck country, and when his parents, you know, grew up, you could make a decent middle way, you know, middle class, income, by far dad working some factory job, they can have their house and kids and you pay for the thing and like, upward mobility and things were working. And now these communities are destroyed, everybody's on drugs and opioids, and there are no jobs, the factories have closed. And it's, it's, it's, you know, crap show. And schools are terrible to what changed it for him. So he got out and got a good job. And most of his friends didn't. One of the things that changed for him was he got into the military, to the military, he got into the Marines. And in the Marines, they taught him how to eat, how to exercise, and how to how to manage money. So he's about to go out and buy a car, and then his surgeon was like, what kind of car Are you getting? And he was like, Oh, this car, and he's like, you can't afford that, like, get this one's much more, much more practical and economical. Then he was gonna get like, you know, some kind of loans, like, how are you gonna finance it? Oh, just whatever, you know, finance from the dealers? Like, no, don't do that shop around, get a good get, you know, good interest, get a good deal on the on the mortgage. And so these fundamental life skills that he'd never learned from, from his parents from his upbringing from his school, you know, learned it in the military. And it fascinates me that, like the military is also government, right? So there are parts of the government that actually is able to teach people some of the skills that they actually need to survive and function in society. And then there are others that do the exact opposite.Ari Gronich 42:28 Well, since you didn't grow up here, you probably didn't realize that while you were growing up here, and I was growing up, or while you were growing up there, and I was growing up here, they actually did have things like homak, in bowls and elementary schools in, you know, in high schools, and so on. We had classes and cooking, sewing, checkbook balancing things like that. They have since taken those things out of schools, and exchange for a football program, basically. Because the football program makes the money. But they've taken fundamentally out any kind of life skills and trades skills. So when I was going to school, we had auto shop, we had photography, we had, you know, obviously yearbook and journalism, we had debate clubs, we had Youth in Government programs, we had wood shop, metal shop, I mean, we had all kinds of trades that we could learn in high school. And those things stopped right around the late 60s, early 70s. Or, and then they started, you know, or they didn't stop, but they started to slow down. You know, thereafter. And as they started to slow down, we saw this big push for people to be into college, go into college, going to college, go into college. And as people would go into college, and then obviously graduate with huge amounts of debt and not really wanting or passionate about or able to be in the job of the thing that they studied in college, we started to realize that when they took the trade schools out of high school, they they took an entire population and turn them into people that could only get jobs at assembly, you know, as assembly men and manufacturing plants and so on and so forth, because they no longer had the skills to do trades, that they might have been interested that might have paid them more kind of interesting way of dealing with a society. And the excuse in the politics of that those educational plans is we don't have enough money to educate our kids. We need, you know, teachers are asking too much, we can't pay them enough, these kinds of things. And so we've really, literally sold our kids, you know, future to the highest bidder, so to speak, and, and shifted the way that they can even think about what trades and what things they might be actually interested in doing to make that impact, and we kind of are directing them. If you don't do this, you won't get ahead, which means that you have to do this. And if all of your friends are doing this, this is the other part of that problem, which helps with the emotional blocking is that they have to take drugs in order to get the grades to match the other kids in order to get into the position so that they can be in the college. And then the college. I mean, I got college level aged kids, step kids and the drug use that is in those schools is unbelievable. And it's all straight, non recreational, not all of it, but obviously, you know, it's non recreational, it's all study. It's all getting better in school. But they're not learning anything about how to live in the real world, as you were saying,Calvin Correli 46:29 Yeah, it's I mean, that what's going on with colleges seems to be to be nuts, right? I just the whole the college student loans that are that he can't bankrupt out of, and that is subsidized by the government. Like it's, you know, that seems to be some, some high level corruption going on there. Right? You're like, I mean, I have I have kids, my kids are 1315. They're in Denmark, with their mom, we divorced a decade ago. But if they were here, I mean, like, I would never pay for college for them, I would never encourage them to go to college. I wouldn't. I mean, I wouldn't do in Denmark, universities is, you know, paid for through taxes, I wouldn't encourage them to go to university either, right? I got a computer science degree. I learned way more in my first year after I quit, I got a bachelor's degree, I was on my way to a Master's, I quit that and took a job. Instead, I learned so much more the first job out of college than I learned five years in, in university. SoAri Gronich 47:32 yeah, do you think that, that there's a reason why college and university is getting that reputation of being as unnecessary, when you know, in my parents generation, and obviously, for me, it was like, if you didn't go to college, and I didn't go to college, I went to a trade school. But my brother, you know, was, if you're not going to college, you're not ever, ever going to be a success in life. That's the programming. And now that programming is, is getting shifted to where, you know, a lot of people are starting to say, college isn't, isn't where it's at.Calvin Correli 48:13 I mean, the internet, right? Like, there is there's anything that you could possibly want to learn, you can find online, most of it for free, right? You know, there's libraries to obviously still right, but books, online courses you can study from, from the from the universities, you want to buy, like single courses and things like that, you can do that. For me, it's about learning, you have to be passionate about where you're learning, you have to want to learn it because you want to because you care, right? Because you're interested in it. That's the only way we're ever going to get really good at something and, you know, presumably you're learning it to use it. And so if you're not really that interested in it and excited about it, like why would you? Why would you bother, right? So and if you're excited, the you learn, you learn by doing more than by studying, right? You can read it and studied, but then you have to do it and do it and do it and do it over and over again. So putting it into something where you're, whether it's you're starting something for yourself, or you're working for someone else, put it into the fat C drive results. And that's how you really learn stuff, right? So yeah, there's never been more resources for anyone to learn, which also proves that if you're not improving your skills, if you're not improving your your, your your, your your body and your mind and your life in a in every way that you care about. It's on you, right? There's no excuses at this point, right? Like it's available to anybody with a smartphone. There's so much stuff available for free to anyone who has a smartphone. There's just zero excuse. So if you're not progressing, it's because you don't want to it's just because you don't care enough.Ari Gronich 50:01 Interesting. So let's talk about the menu. So the menu, they found as if it's more than two pages, it causes people to go into choice overwhelm.Calvin Correli 50:19 If we talk about like food menus at a restaurant, what kind ofAri Gronich 50:23 restaurant, they found the science, this study, the research has found that if there's more than two pages on a restaurant menu, then people go into choice, overwhelm. And they are less satisfied with their choice than if they have a one page or a two page menu, and only have certain things that they can get. They choose what they want. And they're happy with their choice, because the limit, so you talks about going onto Google, Google is to me a couple billion page menu. And, you know, you got Dr. Google you got, you know, that a lot of people are using for their, their, their medical questions. But the idea behind this is that, do we have too many choices, and not enough truth, to where people can't make a decision, they get overwhelmed with information, and all of a sudden, they can't make a choice, they can't make a decision, they can't make an action because of this overwhelm. And, and now they're not satisfied because of too much choice.Calvin Correli 51:36 Oh, yes. And I mean, that's not going to go away, right? That's never gonna change. So we That's just a fact that we have to adapt. Like, the the being unhappy with your choice is just back to what we were talking about a while ago with, like, you know, believing your thoughts, right? So. So just ignore that voice. It's one of the things that we're not, it seems we're not teaching people is like fundamental thinking skills. But I'm not even gonna say critical thinking skills, just any kind of thinking, honestly, is in short supply. Right? So so just learning to be like, Okay, what is the problem? What is the outcome that I want? Even? I mean, honestly, even that is one of the things that fascinates me about politics, is we're constantly debating this intervention or policy versus that. And nobody's saying, Well, hey, why don't we start them at stuff for a second? What does success look like? Right? What do we actually want to achieve here? And like, Can we get agreement on that first? And then Alright, what parameters? Are there for a solution for an for a strategy? What like, what values do we have? Can we get agreement on that? And then we can start brainstorm solutions, right? But if you haven't figured out what you want, first, then nothing else. Makes sense, right? And then everything else just becomes a waste of time. And we people don't get these basic things about how to solve problems. I see it too in business, so many people who are focused on tasks, what are the things I need to do? And I'm like, well, but like, it's not working. We're like, this is what this is the goal. This is the outcome, like, what else can we try? Right? Because that didn't work. And so there's some fundamental thinking skills that people are missing. SoAri Gronich 53:18 yeah, this is one of the biggest issues that I have system wide in almost every system that we've created in the last 20 plus years. Maybe 30, maybe 40 depends on the system is we're all about procedures versus results. So we do digital marketing right now because that's my biggest challenge. I'm not a digital marketer, put a body in front of me, I could turn it into Olympic champion, not a problem. Easy peasy. Put a computer in front of me and tell me to digitally market with web hooks and funnels and triggers and minutiae. And I go back. And so as I go to hire people, my biggest frustration is they're trying to charge me for tasks like well, if I put 15 posts on your Instagram, that's going to be this amount of money. If I post, if I if I add Instagram and Twitter, that's that amount of money even though it's the same post and I created it, I just took twice, but I'm going to charge more and then if I do this, it's that amount of money. Like Okay, so what are the results that are going to come? Well, I can't guarantee results. And I go, Okay, and then I look at medicine and I see the same thing. It's we need to do an MRI or an MRI for for a knee injury, right? So you tear meniscus or muscle ligament you need to do an MRI. But if you go to a doctor, first thing that you got to do is an X ray. Why? Because you got to do an X ray before you do an MRI, why X ray is not going to show me what an MRI is going to show me. So why do I need to do the X ray first? It's another procedure. It's another task. It's another thing that makes absolutely no difference in outcome. Zero, zilch, nadaCalvin Correli 55:19 for you. But for them, it makes pocket book, right makeAri Gronich 55:24 pocket book. But what that does is it creates a scenario in which we create incentivized fraud. Totally, right. we incentivize fraud by doing those kinds of things. We do it in companies, we do it in business, we do it and all kinds of the aspects of our life these days, because we're doing task as you said, versus results. And so let's talk about that a little bit because I just had my now my nice little rant but what do you think the cost is of task versus result oriented thinking? Oh, boy,Calvin Correli 56:02 I mean, it's it's massive, right? It's everywhere. And it's it's the it's the lack of transparency in in choosing right because if you could choose between doctors that did it one way versus the other, like duh, right? But there's no transparency there oftentimes there's there's like de facto monopolies so and then it's the population just being aware of it and and, and choosing based on that we have this tendency to just give her authority away to whomever I think it was. Warner Earhart, founder of s back in the day, he had the saying that people walk around with their umbilical cord in hand just looking for someone to plug it in, somewhere somewhere to plug it into, which I think is a great way to say it. I think it's really true, like people are constantly looking to outsource their authority to someone right or something. So yeah. But it's, it's, it's everywhere. It's like one of my pet peeves is the the whole cookie thing like EU and GDPR. All these privacy laws and like, these specialties, like cookie banners that pop up everywhere, it's like they're designed for people who visit like one or two websites per week, or maybe per day, right? But when you visit like 50 to 100 websites in a day, you end up like clicking that damn thing over and over again. And we condition people just click the Yeah, whatever, go away, right? Like we, we don't read them, we can't. And so that's another like, someone is making a law. That's like making us more private See, secure or whatever, on paper, but in practice, it does nothing. It does the exact opposite, at great cost to every company business needs to implement this every user of the internet that needs to click these stupid ass things, right? It's it's just, there's no accountability. We're not holding other people, businesses, politicians, bureaucrats accountable for actual results. And there's that yeah, it's like a lack of culture of thinking that way. The cost is immense. I honestly think like, I heard a talk by Milton Friedman, a while back where he was talking about how when he was in high school, the government, all of us government, all levels, federal, state, local, all fees and taxes, everything included was about 10% of the entire GDP. I don't know what the number is now, but I'm sure it's a lot higher. But I don't really think though, we're getting that much value for money. And that's just that, that that sort of government level, right? That that this is, but this is everywhere, that we're just wasting so many resources. I wouldn't be surprised if the number is 90% wasted resources based on this inability to think clearly.Ari Gronich 58:56 What do you think the the about? I've heard this name touted. But the wholly owned subsidiary. You know, Corporation, United States of America or United States of America is a wholly owned subsidiary of corporate America. Right.Calvin Correli 59:16 Yeah. So I think that's pretty sure yeah,Ari Gronich 59:18 has become this corporate shill so to speak. And to me the answer, you know, they're they're pretty obvious answers of how this can be renegotiated. Right, getting out lobbyists changing the the elections from ones that have to be funded to, you know, just government we own the airwaves, so to speak, because we're the FCC so why don't we just take back the air. One of the things that I loved about ross perot way back in the day Now, here's what we got to do, we got to get rid of their staff to business right here, where he would go on air, buying his own airtime, we don't even need to buy your own airtime anymore, you get paid in sponsorship to go on YouTube. But what I would love to see politicians do is in 30 minutes segments with now, it's PowerPoints instead of charts, but I want to see them explain their policies in detail, and what they're going to do, and then compare them to the other person's policy and what it's going to do, and do it in a way that's factual. I would love to see that right. So that we can make decisions about policies and bills. Part of the wholly owned subsidiary is that every single bill is filled with pork, right, and what they call what they call pork or whatever, I don't know the exact term, but the it's filled with this bill is for this thing. And yet it's got 50 things in it that have been negotiated for other, you know, special interest in and so on. It would be nice if we did this bill is for this thing, nothing else is allowed to be in that bill. Right. There are things that I believe we could do easily to shift it. But what I want to get out for you is the mentality that we need, the emotional intelligence and maturity that we talked about at the beginning that we need in order to not be reactive, but be proactive in what we're doing. And the way we're doing it so that we can actually accomplish this stuff versus just talking about it in sound bites.Calvin Correli 1:01:59 As a me, it's it'sAri Gronich 1:02:02 what I said that was a long intro. I apologize for Drew. But I want to be really clear for you.Unknown Speaker 1:02:11 Yeah.Calvin Correli 1:02:12 To me, the problem, the challenge is that that the minute you make these rules, as long as the incentives are the way that they are the economic incentives, people are going to, like the people who want to do bad stuff are going to find a way around it. Right? And as long as we as people don't really care, or we're just so accustomed to like, yep, politicians are corrupt. It's just the way it is. I don't see that really changing, right? Like you can say, Well, okay, campaign finance law, you can only fund like, you know, government funds against brain blah, blah. But then you have Citizens United, right, like that, which, which is free speech, like what are you going to do?Ari Gronich 1:02:56 Over overturn it?Unknown Speaker 1:02:59 Yeah,Calvin Correli 1:03:00 but we still have free speech, right? So So are you and I allowed to sit here and talk and say, Hey, I like this politician. I don't like where's where's the dividing line? I don't maybe there's a simple solution. I'm not sure that there is a simple solution there. And and that, it wouldn't be something that again, people are going to find ways around, right? So that's my I'm skeptic calling me skeptical. I'm open, I'd love that. But But I don't know that. What I my thinking is like, from again, from a bottom up grassroots, like, the more sort of awake the people are, the more the more we live our lives, right? It's like Joseph Campbell, like or Gandhi, like Be the change that you want to see in the world. Like it starts here. It starts with you and I, and I, and with everybody here listening, starting to live their lives this way. And then naturally, you're going to start to demand more of others, including our leaders and our quote unquote, so called leaders, the people in charge, right.Ari Gronich 1:04:04 Yeah, you know, here's my only caveat to that. I agree that people need to take personal responsibility for shifting who they are. And that that will make a massive change in how we live. And I and I'll go back to the disagreement that the government or the thing or that whatever is somehow outside of that process, and not, we're not outside of the government, we're within it. We are the people and we have the, in my opinion, the responsibility, the obligation, the the, we are the ones who have to shift the system from the outside in and the inside out. And you know, Buckminster Fuller makes it perfect. He says, Don't challenge the system as it is make a better system and put it right next door, you know, so I In many cases, you've got to build the medical system that's going to work, and then actually put it to action before it becomes adopted as the next generation of medical system, you got to create something different, but the responsibility of the people to tell the government what to do, has been abrogated to the corporations that are now telling the government what to do. Yeah, well, it'sCalvin Correli 1:05:30 politicians are like, so the way my analysis is right, like, so if you're a member of Congress, right? There's the budgets to run these campaigns right now are ludicrous, right? Because these, like, you know, there's 100 senators, and the and the national budget is I don't know how much it is trillions, right. So for each seat, is it worth, you know, a fair share of that amount, right, because they can shift huge sums around. And so that's why there's a lot of money riding on this stuff, right? And so, like, I don't see, like, when there is this much money, riding on it like that money is going to find a way to influence your role as politicians. One of the things I forget which book it was, but someone was writing a book about how, like, you know, you can't directly bribe politicians, but you can bribe their family members, right. So then, like, its sons, or cousins, or whatnot, and then it finds its way, like, that's kind of the common practice, because that's legal, technically, even though it's, you know, immoral, but it's, it's legal. And so that's how it's done. And so that, like, it's kind of like, you know, those like when you when you outlaw something, that there's a lot of money riding on an interesting, it's gonna find a way to make a black market out of itself, right. So. But I'm, I do see sort of an awakening in the population where we're no longer a lot of people are waking up to, like, Hey, we're being lied to, like, things are not being very being very efficient or smart. There's too much corruption going on. And I believe that there's a new crop of leaders stepping up and being elected to to public office, whether that's going to be enough to it. At the end of the day, it comes down to do we care enough as citizens, right to be like, no, we're not gonna put up with this crap, right? Do we care enough? Do we care enough to run for office? Do we care enough to tell the difference between who's, you know, has character and moral morals and who doesn't and vote for the guy who with morals and character and not for the other person? Right? And given that, again, the media is bought and paid for as much as the politicians, right? So it's, it's a challenge. And it is, and the other thing that might happen is that people with morals and character get elected, and then, like, they get compromised very early on, right, I do believe that there's a lot of that kind of mafia kind of thing going on, where we tried to get something on you. And now you're gonna like, it's really hard to dig yourself out of that. Not impossible. But it's hard, right? So.Ari Gronich 1:08:16 So just as a matter of the media being hard to trust these days, and being bought and paid for that happened in the late 70s, early 80s, with deregulation, and deregulation was a thing about how the government control is so bad. So we deregulate but what we did is we stopped the news from being a nonprofit, to being allowed to be for profit. So prior to that, it was required that they report the news, when they deregulated is when they started this 24 hour news cycle that now allows them to be for profit, which is what allowed them to make this be a special interest thing. And so I think if we understand that this is a result of something very specific, any of the the things that we experience are results of very specific things that have been done that can be undone immediately, right? We don't have to wait we could reregulate the news to make sure that it's not for profit, that they have no financial incentives to report bad news. And maybe all of a sudden we'll be able to get journalists at journalistic integrity back where they have to name their sources, make sure that the information is correct before they put something out, and etc, and so forth. And like I said, I had a conversation with somebody in the media yesterday, so We had a great conversation about this kind of a thing. But, you know, going back to you, because I know I'm taking you completely off of topics, normally, you know, used to, to speaking about, you know, like software and, and all the wonderful hellCalvin Correli 1:10:19 actually if I can jump in here because I have this is is actually a passion of mine I have a project called notable nation notable nation calm, which is about that, and we talked about like that you mentioned the wanting, you would rather be, you know, a consultant for politicians and being one my stated goal is to be a future zoo, not not to be a future, but to be a Special Advisor to the President of the United States unconscious nation building. So I guessAri Gronich 1:10:49 we could team up.Calvin Correli 1:10:50 Alright, sounds like a plan. So that's, that'sAri Gronich 1:10:53 cool. I'm glad, I'm glad because like I said, I, I look at your background, and I go, Okay, I can have this conversation with him and talk to him about the software and then the niceties of life. Or I could, you know, challenge the status quo take you outside your box a little bit. And, and, you know, bring it to more of my kind of controversial polarizing, you know, conversations, because I think that the conversations that most people are having are at the surface level, and they don't really do much to benefit the world, right, or, or the world moving forward. So I had I had a, a message that I sent to, to a politician to Bernie, actually, so I'll just name him I sent this letter to him and his team, right, that I wanted to have a conversation with him about, about his health care program, because to me, he was just changing the payer, but not the incentive. Right? Until we change, the incentives will never change the outcomes. The incentives are going to get, or the outcomes are getting worse and worse and worse and worse and worse, as long as the incentives are there the way they are. And I guess the reason why I don't I don't like the the government is evil thing, or big government is evil, or any government is evil, or are those kinds of things is because some of the massive problems that we've had was as soon as we deregulated certain industries, like we do, deregulated the savings and loan industry, what happened with the savings and loan industry, we deregulated You know, there used to be a thing about conglomerations, you couldn't be too big to fail, because you weren't allowed to conglomerate your comp
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Hi, I am here with Matt Javit. he is living a life of many chapters; all building on the next. Five-Time International Sales Award Winner, Travel Documentarian with his Amazon Video show World Barber Shop Adventures, Nationally Celebrated Author with his book POLICE: Brotherhood in Uniform Around the World, and an Ambassador of Culture.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY MATT JAVIT FOR MORE INFOhttps://mattjavit.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:07 Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. Remember to like, subscribe, rate review, comment below so that we can start conversations that create a new tomorrow. today. I've got with me Matt javit. And he is an amazing person five time international sales award winner, hosts of amazon prime video show world barber shop adventures, author of police and brotherhood and uniform around the world is a culture ambassador. Matt, why don't you tell us a little bit more about your story and how you got to this place of you know, being such as such success with large multinational as well as starting your own companies.Matt Javit 0:55 Yeah, thank you. I guess in that summary, you there's a lot of dreaming going on there and, and living out my dreams started off with in a humble beginning, my parents got pregnant at an early age. And so my dad had to join the Navy at age 17. And which started on my journey around the US as a Navy brat, getting my master's degree down in Texas, why coach basketball and a junior college and, and then started a small company, which brought me back to Indianapolis, Indianapolis was the favorite place for my parents. So when my dad retired from the Navy, they came back to India and it just made sense for me to get back closer to my family in running this this company with my brother, bartending at night hustling during the day, and net led into my wife walking in the door one day as I was bartending, I fell in love instantly. Her not so much. But I convinced her that this is a good idea. And we got engaged eight months later, got married eight months after that just celebrated 15 years. So I keep telling her it was the it was the right call at that time. And then her father helped me make sense that it wasn't a great idea for me to be a bartender and start my marriage with my wife, which led me into the mortgage industry had a great run in the in the mortgage industry before the recession hits. And then that changed everything. And thank God, I was recruited by a technology company to come in and start sales in a technology world which I knew nothing about, struggled my tail off for two years, but outwork the competition and just just really worked hard to understand it better and yet, improved my skills. And then then hit a hit a hot streak, which led into me winning five international sales awards, working for this amazing global company, based out of France. And the coolest thing about working for an international company is when they do their sales incentive awards for the sales folks. They take us to amazing places. And in this case, we had a chance to go to Istanbul, Turkey, go India, Chiang Mai, Thailand, Cape Town, South Africa. And when you're the kuna Miami, Florida, and on all those trips, when they take the top 40 sales professionals, we can also bring our wives and our spouses. So Nikki went along with me. February of 2017, single backpack a piece, we left for a one way ticket to Santiago, Chile, and spent 27 months traveling to 35 countries around the world and really just lived out that dream and just had an amazing time doing it. And it was it was such a blast. Wow.Ari Gronich 3:33 That is that's quite an adventurous, you know, adventurous story. You know, a lot of people are doing that nomadic traveling these days. And it's interesting to me because I believe that the only way to get out of our own heads and our own mindsets is to go see what the heads and mindsets are of other people and to explore their culture, and so on. So that's always been an interesting thing. To me, everywhere I've ever gone it you know, the attempt has been to not blend in, but ask a lot of questions about who they are and why they are the way they are. So tell me, what was your most fascinating place on this adventure?Matt Javit 4:29 Well, it's it's, there's a wide range because you look at a place like India, where we spent two and a half months. We were lucky enough to do it. I had a strong Indian friend base before we left so I had a chance to reach out and say, Hey guys, I'm going to be in your country for for two and a half months. Are there any places or friends or people I should see and they've been inviting us to to stay with their friends and family. We attended three weddings were actually kind of In three weddings. So we had a chance to really dive deep in that culture. Because we were living in the homes, a lot of quiet time, just talking in and hanging out with people. So India, it was an amazing adventure. And anybody that's ever been into India understands that it's different. It's so much different than America. So it's, it really opens up all your senses. To be driving down the road, I was on the back of the motorcycle on one one situation with my buddy. And he says, Hey, Matt, do you want to get fish for dinner? I was like, Yeah, that sounds cool. So he just pulls off. And there's a guy, clubbing, fresh fish that they just caught from a lake and skinning them and cutting them up, put them in a bag for you to take home. And that's that was dinner for the night. So things like that, where it's sensory overload on a regular basis. And you're really just getting to have a chance to, to just see things differently and just understand their culture a bit differently.Ari Gronich 5:59 Yeah, I mean, you can't take the car with you, you can't take the house with, you can't take any of those items with you. But you can take your memories with you and your muscle. And, you know, we've gotten as a culture away from traveling, because we've decided to create a lifestyle that is 40 to 80 hours a week of working and both partners working typically. So there's no time in that scenario for these journeys and trips. And I think the US is, on average, two weeks a year of vacation. Yeah. While the rest of the world is more like a month to two months, a year of vacation time. And how is it that we get Americans to start traveling again? And I know, it's weird to say it in this particular time period where everything is shut down? That's it, you know, how do we get people exploring other people's cultures in a way that moves our culture forward as well. So, you know, I remember hearing a story about somebody who went to another culture, so he went to France, and was expecting the French to speak English, and was really upset that, that they weren't speaking English to him, and that they didn't like him because he was expecting them to speak English to them. And I found it interesting to, you know, I think that's probably happens quite a lot that we want them, them, the others, the people and the other places that should only exist for our benefit to, to, to conform to the way that we are rather than looking at and appreciating and understanding that that culture and finding the beauty in in other people's cultures. Is that something that we sawMatt Javit 8:21 brother, yeah, it's one of the most annoying things you can see on travel. And it's, it's for those people that think that way. It's like, why even Why go there, if you want the same thing you're experiencing at home, why even go introduce yourself to another culture, if you're going to, if you're going to require people to act like they do in Des Moines, Iowa, or wherever you're from, you want to become an understand that you go to a Greek dinner, they're not going to clear the plates off for three hours. And you're going to sit there with dirty plates on your table, while you have a long conversation over coffee, you know, I mean, and that's the coolest thing about it is you get to see like, wow, they're they're in no rush to kick us out here, where in America, they're trying to flip the table to have somebody else sit in there, okay, with only having a certain amount of people in this in this restaurant at night. And they're not trying to get people in and out because they want you to enjoy the dinner and have a long conversation.Ari Gronich 9:16 Yeah, so what do you think of chores zones versus the the places that the locals, you know, go I mean, it everywhere I go, anytime I've ever been anywhere, my first thing is I do not want to be where the tourists go, I want to be where the locals go. And so I seek out specifically somebody who can take me to a local joint or a local place so that I can experience that local culture, but a lot of of Americans you know, I call it the McDonald's tour, because We go from McDonald's in France to McDonald's in Europe to a McDonald's in Israel, you know, like, like, how many different ways can we experience the McDonald's? Right. And, and we do that with more than just, you know, we'll go to the Hilton. Well, there's a lot of local kind of hotels that are completely different than, say, a Hilton in it. I'm not, you know, it could be any of the major chains, but we tend to go to the places that we know, in our minds, how do you think we can, we can, you know, inspire people to experience more of the local kinds of experiences rather than the tourist experiences that we've kind of set up?Matt Javit 10:51 Yeah, I think the first thing is the fear. Because that was the biggest thing people to ask us, as we were making this trip. Are you safe? Is everything okay? And it's like, Man, look in the mirror a little bit. how safe is your city? How safe the Chicago. I mean, I'll say the St. Louis, how safe is New York. So that safety barrier is always the thing that keeps them on resorts and keeps people in those in those four walls wherever they are in that foreign country. And for me, it's like being get get through that and not listen to what all the media is trying to tell you. Because mostly what we hear from the media is when something bad happens, a tsunami hits an island. There's some sort of revolt against the government. So we're only hearing like the negative stuff around the world that happens that mainstream media wants to put out there because it'll get the clicks and views that all negative news gets. And so if you if you can, like climb through all that and try to find the truth in what's going on in these places around the world, you're going to see a lot of beauty and a lot of amazing things happening outside of those resorts. And one of the coolest things that happened to me recently was one of my buddies that watched our journey from afar online. He listened to the bikes that I would give about getting out of the resorts and spending time with the locals. And he said, They recently went to Jamaica. And he said, Matt, we had an awesome trip down there. We spent, we spent almost two weeks on air, he said, but our favorite day, by far is when we left the resort, went to a local town and hung out with the locals at the local restaurants. He said we came back with a bunch of phone numbers. And they're they're still texting us. And it was the by far the best day. He said, thank you so much for that advice, because it's going to change the way that we travel now going forward. And it's things like that. They're like, yeah, if you get you can, you can see a beach coastline, anywhere around the world. And you wouldn't know if you were in Thailand, if you were in the Philippines, if you were in Peru, if you just saw the waves coming in at a gorgeous Hilton resort, like you're describing, you wouldn't know where you were. But it's when you get out of that place. And you go walk around the town, and you meet the locals. And you you shop at their markets, you see the things that they're they're eating on a regular basis, how they barter, the idea that America doesn't barter for everything, anything. And these places everywhere, everywhere else borders. So just that conversation of bartering. If they say it's $1 say it's I'll give you 80 cents, and just go through that process. You're gonna learn so much about these places and and really just follow up with them even more than just sitting in a hotel or, or just drinking. Cool. Yeah.Ari Gronich 13:25 You know, part of me thinks that racism is not just ignorant of people, but it's a lack of understanding of other, any kind of other, right, whether that's an other culture, another language, another colored, you know, color of a person. And it's based solely on fear versus knowledge. Because if you get to know somebody or know about their culture, it's really difficult. I've found to dislike those people. You've been in place where, you know, like Turkey where there is in that middle eastern zone, a lot of conflict. And the conflict that we hear about was not my experience when I was in Israel, for instance, where I went to Jordan and Lebanon. I didn't experience the same kind of difference that we see on the news. I don't know if you went there. I know you went to Turkey. But any any chance that the differences between the people are not as great as the government's and the agendas and the media want you to thinkMatt Javit 14:57 absolutely. I think I think races is just lack of exposure. And we we saw and had conversations about racism all around the world. And it was when we were in Chile, they hated the Peruvians in Argentina, and then we were in Peru, they hated the Colombians, and it's in the Chileans. And then, and then you're in South Africa, as a white guy at the grocery store, the black app, the black checkout lady is looking at us a different way, until we speak, and they understand where American they're like, Whoa, you're not the same white guy that's usually here. So they're nicer. We experience it everywhere. And it's one of those things where if you don't have exposure to a lot of the people in your, the frame of reference is one or two people, you're going to think about those one or two people. And that's why it was so important for me wherever we went, was to be the smiling nicest guy in the room. Because I wanted, I never knew if I was going to be the last white American that they met.Ari Gronich 16:05 That's awesome. Thank you so much for being here. If you could leave everybody with with one thought one final thought that is what you'd like, you know, all of these experiences that you've culminated together, you know, one thought that you'd like the audience members to get, what would that one thought be?Matt Javit 16:30 I would say that it's okay to want to live out your dreams. And it's okay to dream big and want to, to work through it and make it happen. Before we took this big adventure, there was no way I could live this out, I'd made every excuse in my mind why it just wasn't for me. And then finally a clip to say like, Hey, I can do this, too. And I'm sure there's there's a listener out there that saying, they've been dreaming about this for a while and thinking it's not. It's not possible for them. But I promise you, you can do it. We did it. And now I've got other dreams that I'm working on. And it's possible for you to do it as well. Awesome.Ari Gronich 17:12 Thank you so much for being here. I know that the audience members have gotten a lot from this. And this is your host Ari Gronich with another episode of create a new tomorrow. Remember to like, subscribe, rate review, comment below so that we can start conversations that change the world. Create a new tomorrow today, and activate our vision for a better world. Thank you for being here. I really appreciate it.Unknown Speaker 17:40 And we're out.
Hi, I am here with Matt Javit. he is living a life of many chapters; all building on the next. Five-Time International Sales Award Winner, Travel Documentarian with his Amazon Video show World Barber Shop Adventures, Nationally Celebrated Author with his book POLICE: Brotherhood in Uniform Around the World, and an Ambassador of Culture.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY MATT JAVIT FOR MORE INFOhttps://mattjavit.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:00 I'm Ari, Gronich, and this is create a new tomorrow podcast.Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. Remember to Like, Subscribe rate review, comment below so that we can start conversations that create a new tomorrow today. I've got with me Matt javit. And he is an amazing person five time international sales award winner, hosts of amazon prime video show world barber shop adventures, author of police and brotherhood and uniform around the world. He's a culture ambassador. Matt, why don't you tell us a little bit more about your story and how you got to this place of you know, being such a such success with large multinational as well as starting your own companies.Matt Javit 1:04 Yeah, thank you. I guess in that summary, you there's a lot of dreaming going on there and, and living out my dreams started off with in a humble beginning, my parents got pregnant at an early age. And so my dad had to join the Navy at age 17. And which started on my journey around the US as a Navy brat. Once at eight, eight schools, three high schools finished up in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. But through that journey as a kid, I was pretty good basketball player and a good athlete which ended up turned into me being a division one basketball player. I finished up my my bachelor's at University of town of Greensboro as a academic, all American. And then I went on to get my master's degree down in Texas, why coach basketball and a junior college and and then started a small company, which brought me back to Indianapolis, Indianapolis was the favorite place for my parents. So when my dad retired from the Navy, they came back to India and it just made sense for me to get back closer to my family in running this this company with my brother, bartending at night hustling during the day, and net led into my wife walking in the door one day as I was bartending, I fell in love instantly. Her not so much. But I convinced her that this is a good idea. And we got engaged eight months later, got married eight months after that just celebrated 15 years. So I keep telling her it was the it was the right call at that time. And then her father helped me make sense that it wasn't a great idea for me to be a bartender and start my marriage with my wife, which led me into the mortgage industry had a great run in the in the mortgage industry before the recession hits. And then that changed everything. And thank God, I was recruited by a technology company to come in and start sales in the technology world, which I knew nothing about, struggled my tail off for two years, but outwork the competition and just just really worked hard to understand it better and yet, improve my skills. And then then hit a hit a hot streak, which led into me winning five international sales awards, working for this amazing global company, based out of France. And the coolest thing about working for an international company is when they do their sales incentive awards for the sales folks, they take us to amazing places. And in this case, we had a chance to go to Istanbul, Turkey, go India, Chiang Mai, Thailand, Cape Town, South Africa. And one year they came to Miami, Florida. And on all those trips, when they take the top 40 sales professionals, we can also bring our wives and our spouses. So Nicky went along with me. And we just, we just fell in love with travel, I was somebody that had a chance to see the United States. Because I grew up in a military home and also playing college hoops. I had a chance to go around the US and play in different college campuses, but never saw international travel. And I was blown away. It was just it just shocked me to the core. And I loved everything about it. And so we started setting huge goals to have a chance because every time we'd fly home on those trips, after 10 or 12 days on vacation like Americans have, I would always be dreaming about the next location, looking at the magazine in the back of the that little that little pant the pamphlets in the back of the airplane, and the seats and I would just sit there and just dream of those next locations. So we started thinking about like, what if we could do this full time? What if this is something that we could set out and pause our careers and just go live it and that's what we did? February of 2017 single backpack apiece. We left for a one way ticket to Santiago, Chile and spent 27 months traveling to 35 countries around the world and really just slipped out that dream and just had an amazing time doing it and it was it was such a blast.Ari Gronich 4:55 Wow. That is that's quite an adventurous You know, adventures story. You know, a lot of people are doing that nomadic traveling these days. And it's interesting to me because I believe that the only way to get out of our own heads and our own mindsets is to go see what the heads and mindsets are of other people, and to explore their culture, but not as, as an American, so to speak, exploring foreign culture, but more as somebody who's an anthropologist almost looking at that culture as something to study and admire and find interesting enough to have conversations with locals and so on. So that's always been an interesting thing. To me, everywhere I've ever gone it, you know, the attempt has been to not blend in, but ask a lot of questions about who they are and why they are the way they are. So, tell me, what was your most fascinating place on this adventure?Unknown Speaker 6:14 Well, it's, it's,Matt Javit 6:15 there's a wide range, because you look at a place like India, where we spent two and a half months, we were lucky enough to do it, I had a strong Indian friend base, before we left, so I had a chance to reach out and say, Hey, guys, I'm going to be in your country for for two and a half months, are there any places or friends or people I should see, and they begin inviting us to, to stay with their friends and family, we attended three weddings, we're just kind of in three weddings. So we had a chance to really dive deep in that culture. Because we were living in the homes a lot of quiet time, just talking in hanging out with people. So India, it was an amazing adventure. And anybody that's ever been into India understands that it's different. It's so much different than America. So it's, it really opens up all your senses. To be driving down the road, I was on the back of a motorcycle on like one situation with my buddy. And he just says, Hey, Matt, do you want to get fish for dinner? I was like, Yeah, that sounds cool. So he just pulls off. And there's a guy, clubbing, fresh fish that they just caught from a lake and skinning them and cutting them up, put them in a bag for you to take home. And that's that was dinner for the night. So things like that, where it's sensory overload on a regular basis. And you're really just getting to have a chance to, to just see things differently and just understand their culture a bit differently. So things like that. We also fell in love with Vietnam. The the, how nice everybody is there, the fact that their infrastructure is very strong, you can have some of the luxuries in the United States, but understand you're in a different culture, and how inviting in kind all those people are was amazing. So we really fell in love with Vietnam. So that was a, that was a star, our trip, six weeks in Japan really showed me what humility and kindness and thoughtfulness is like, the Japanese people are amazing people, and just how thoughtful they are, in every aspect of their life and how they treat people was eye opening. And that's the coolest thing about the travel is you fall in love with these countries. But then when you come home, you also understand the United States and what makes us special. And so that's why I'm such a big advocate of travel is not the idea that you're going somewhere. It's not just the fact you're going somewhere and knowing and understanding more about the world, but you're also appreciating the aspects of your own country as well, that might not be in other parts of the world. So that's, that's why I'm just, I really feel like people. And I know this next generation is going to do things similar to us, I know that they're gonna pause their careers, and go take on these adventures. And that's why that's why I wanted to document a lot of it, and put it down because I know that there's people behind us that understand that doing these experiences, is so much more important than having a fancy car, or having a better couch. Or you know what I mean? They're all these things that this consumerism built into us that we just want to push that, that Buy button so fast, instead of saving a little bit to take that adventure and do something crazy as this might seem.Ari Gronich 9:25 Yeah. I mean, you can't take the car with you. You can't take the house with you. You can't take any of those items with you, but you can take your memories with you and your salon. And, you know, we've gotten as a culture away from traveling because we've decided to create a lifestyle that is 40 to 80 hours a week of working and both partners working typically. So there's no Time in that scenario for these journeys and trips, and I think the US is, on average, two weeks a year of vacation. Yeah. While the rest of the world is more like a month to two months, a year of vacation time, and how is it that we get Americans to start traveling again? And I know, it's weird to say it in this particular time period where everything is shut down? It's a, you know, how do we get people exploring other people's cultures in a way that moves our culture forward as well. So, you know, I remember hearing a story about somebody who went to another culture, so he went to France, and was expecting the French to speak English, and was really upset that, that they weren't speaking English to him, and that they didn't like him because he was expecting them to speak English to them. And I found it interesting to, you know, I think that's probably happens quite a lot that we want them, them, the others, the people and the other places that should only exist for our benefit to, to, to conform to the way that we are, rather than looking at and appreciating and understanding that that culture and finding the beauty in in other people's cultures,Matt Javit 11:45 is that something that we saw brother, yeah, it's one of the most annoying things you can see on travel. And it's, it's for those people that think that way. It's like, why even Why go there, if you want the same thing you're experiencing at home, why even go introduce yourself to another culture, if you're going to, if you're going to require people to act like they do in Des Moines, Iowa, or wherever you're from, you want to become in understand that you go to a Greek dinner, the, they're not going to clear the plates off for three hours, and you're going to sit there with dirty plates on your table, while you have a long conversation over coffee, you know, I mean, and that's the coolest thing about it is you get to see like, while they're there in no rush to kick us out here, where in America, they're trying to flip the table to have somebody else sit in there, okay, with only having a certain amount of people in this in this restaurant at night. And they're not trying to get people in and out. Because they want you to enjoy the dinner and have a long conversation. And it's like, it's those things that you get to understand them and know them. And know like, why isn't the waiter coming back around? It's because the waiters, chillin, just let them relax. They're not like it is in America, wherever things go, go go. And it's when you hear people complaining on the road, when they're traveling. It does get annoying, and it's like, Look, man, you're in another country enjoy what this country is, and what's different than than America about it. And if you give it time, you're gonna fall in love with it. And we would see that quite often. And it when you talked about earlier about like kind of the conforming in fitting in to the culture. Fortunately, unfortunately, I'm six foot six. So I stand out wherever we go. And I look like an American dude. So they know, they know that I'm a foreigner right off the bat, which is great. And those conversations where they if they don't speak English, my first attempt always to break that barrier is to apologize for not speaking their language because I'm in their country. So if I don't speak their language, I'm sorry, I only speak English. Look at me, I'm an ignorant fool. Can you help me work through this? And then a lot of times, even if you try one or two words in their language, they might laugh at you a little bit, but then they'll at least work with you. But if you're somebody that says hey, do you speak English? Right off the bat? It's, it's already you're creating this dynamic of because then if they don't speak English, does that make them dumb? You see, I'm saying, Man, when you're in their country, they might speak Vietnamese first. So So why why would you ask them to speak English first? So it's a it's all how you approach the approach it and and really, just to your point, the idea of like you're in these places, take it in, appreciate the culture understand you're somewhere different. And that's why you book the trip in the first place.Ari Gronich 14:28 Yeah, so what do you think of choice zones versus the places that locals? You know, go I mean, it everywhere I go, anytime I've ever been anywhere. My first thing is I do not want to be where the tourists go. I want to be where the locals go. And so I seek out specifically, somebody who can take me to a local joints or a local place so that I can experience that local culture. But a lot of of Americans, you know, I call it the McDonald's tour, because we go from McDonald's in France to a McDonald's in Europe to a McDonald's in Israel, you know, like, like, how many different ways can we experience the McDonald's? Right. And, and we do that with more than just, you know, we'll go to the Hilton. Well, there's a lot of local kind of hotels that are completely different than say, a minute, I'm not, you know, it could be any of the major chains, but we tend to go to the places that we know, in our minds, how do you think we can, we can, you know, inspire people to experience more of the local kinds of experiences, rather than the tourist experiences that we've kind of set up?Matt Javit 16:03 Yeah, I think the first thing is the fear. Because that was the biggest thing people to ask us, as we were making this trip. Are you safe? Is everything okay? And it's like, Man, look in the mirror a little bit. how safe is your city? how safe is Chicago? I mean, I'll say the St. Louis, how safe is New York. So that safety barrier is always the thing that keeps them on resorts, and keeps people in those in those four walls wherever they are in the foreign country. And for me, it's like being get get through that and not listen to what all the media is trying to tell you. Because mostly what we hear from the media is when something bad happens, a tsunami hits an island. There's some sort of revolt against the government. So we're only hearing like the negative stuff around the world that happens that mainstream media wants to put out there because it'll get the clicks and views that all negative news gets. And so if you if you can, like climb through all that and try to find the truth in what's going on in these places around the world, you're gonna see a lot of beauty and a lot of amazing things happening outside of those resorts. And one of the coolest things that happened to me recently was one of my buddies that watched our journey from afar online. He listened to the bikes that I would give about getting out of the resorts and spending time with the locals. And he said, They recently went to Jamaica. And he said that we had an awesome trip down there. We spent, we spent almost two weeks on there, he said, but our favorite day, by far is when we left the resort, went to a local town and hung out with the locals at the local restaurants. He said, we came back with a bunch of phone numbers, and they're still texting us. And it was the by far the best day. He said, thank you so much for that advice, because it's going to change the way that we travel now going forward. And it's things like that. They're like, yeah, if you get, you can, you can see a beach coastline, anywhere around the world. And you would know, if you were in Thailand, if you were in the Philippines, if you were in Peru, if you just saw the waves coming in at a gorgeous Hilton resort, like you're describing, you wouldn't know where you were. But it's when you get out of that place. And you go walk around the town, and you meet the locals. And you you shop at their markets, you see the things that they're they're eating on a regular basis, how they barter, the idea that America doesn't barter for everything, anything in these places everywhere, everywhere else borders. So just that conversation of bartering. If they say it's $1 say it's, I'll give you 80 cents, and just go through that process. You're gonna learn so much about these places and, and really just fall in love with them even more than just sitting in a hotel or, or just drinking. But here's the thing is, is we have like your tribe in America, we have these two weeks off, right? So a lot of people are like, dude, I don't want to deal with that. I just want to go and sit on a beach and think about anything, and and then go back to the life that I have, where it's chaotic, and I get that. But if you're if you're looking to kind of expand your brain, expand your mind, and see, look at the world in a different way. That's what you and I are describing here. That's, that's what that that's the benefit you'll get out of this. But if you're somebody that's not trying to do those things, you're just trying to get two weeks away. First, they're probably not listen to your podcast. But those those people, they're in that they're in that engine, then never that never stops, they wake up and they're 70 in their life sober and they're they're saying what ifs These are for the people that you want to open your mind to do something different and look at the world a different way. That's what you do you go hang out with the locals and understand the cultural and the better.Ari Gronich 19:31 Cool, yeah, um, you know, part of me thinks that racism is not just ignorant of people, but it's a lack of understanding of other any kind of other right, whether that's an other culture another language another colored, you know, color of a person And it's based solely on fear versus knowledge. Because if you get to know somebody or know about their culture, it's really difficult I've found to dislike those people. You've been in place where, you know, like Turkey, where there is in that middle eastern zone, a lot of conflict. And the conflict that we hear about was not my experience when I was in Israel, for instance, where I went to Jordan and Lebanon. I didn't experience the same kind of difference that we see on the news. I don't know if you went there. I know you went to Turkey. But any, any chance that the differences between the people are not as great as the government's and the agendas and the media want you to think?Matt Javit 21:05 Absolutely. I think I think racism is just lack of exposure. And we we saw, and had conversations about racism all around the world. And it was when we were in Chile, they hated the Peruvians in Argentina, and then we were in Peru, they hated the Colombians, and it's in the Chileans. And then, and then you're in South Africa, as a white guy at the grocery store, the black app, the black checkout lady is looking at us a different way, until we speak, and they understand we're American, they're like, Whoa, you're not the same white guy that's usually here. So they're nicer. We experienced it everywhere. And it's one of those things where if you don't have exposure to a lot of the people in your, the frame of reference is one or two people, you're going to think about those one or two people. And that's why it was so important for me wherever we went was to be the smiling nicest guy in the room. Because I wanted, I never knew if I was going to be the last white American that they met, because a lot of places we went to were off the beaten track. And they weren't typical touristy spots. So if I would meet somebody, thinking, like, I might be the only American they ever ever met, you know, I'm gonna be the last American they ever made. And so if if they meet me, and they're like, that dude is nice. I know how this works. They're going like, all Americans are nice. Matt was awesome. You know, I mean, like, that's, that's literally how we think. So if you don't have if you don't have a lot of exposure, because I've met people, business business owners, that from a different generation, they say, all Indians are so smart. Because the seven Indians that worked for him in in environmental engineering, were wicked, smart people. But I was in India for a long period of time. I know, all Indians aren't smart. So it's like, whatever, if you only expose yourself to a certain group of people, and that is, and that's your exposure. And if you see all of them like that, then that's, that's when racism kicks in. But if you get exposure, you have enough conversations to understand like, Whoa, some people are good, some people are bad, that's across the board. Like all all the races and all the different people around the world, we're gonna have good people, we're gonna have bad people. And the more exposure you get to, to all those different parts of it, you're going to understand that, and most of them are really, really good people. There's just a segment of the population that sucks. And you try to avoid those people, and you hang out with the positive ones that are trying to do right by you. But we saw it everywhere on the globe, where it's like America is this only is the only racist place in the world. It's like, dude, you have no idea how racist The world is the entire world. And it doesn't make it right. It's just ignorance. It's just absolute ignorance. But it's everywhere, as as a human popular as a human species. We're so ignorant, to only to the only the exposure that we get in our little boxes that we live in, that we think that these are the things in it, the media is telling us nothing but negative stuff. And they're putting us in this volatile state all the time. Of course, we're gonna we're gonna see people a different way. And if they're telling you constantly that you're racist, then you're like, maybe I am racist. And then you see I'm saying so it's, it's a, it's a weird dynamic. And the only way you can overcome it is exposure. By by going to places you're not comfortable with getting uncomfortable, meaning people you don't normally meet, and then get your own truth, to understand that, whoa, we're all trying. We're all trying to make a little bit of money, have love in our life, achieve some goals, you know, I mean, and hang out with our families. It's it's the what we're all trying to do is not that different from each other, no matter where you go around the world.Ari Gronich 24:51 Yeah, you know, it's funny. I was in Greece during the 2004 Olympics and Paralympics and You know, we're working, working the athletes out and everywhere you go, it's really controlled. After the Olympics were over. After the Paralympic, sorry, we're over I was I stayed about an extra week or two. Because I, I'm a kind of person when I'm working a thing. I'm like, 16 hours on those athletes there. There wasn't, you know, there wasn't an enjoy. I didn't actually see a single game. When I was there, though. I was literally 16 hours. And then finally when the days that I had off, I was on an island somewhere, but I went for a walk one day in Athens. So you've been to Greece, right? It's one of those. You've been so Athens, you know, Athens. I was staying in a Monia square. Okay. And so I walked to monastiraki and had some breakfast. So that's about a three mile walk.Unknown Speaker 26:09 Okay.Ari Gronich 26:10 And then right up there, and Mona's Rocky is, is the, the National Museum, which used to be, I guess, their parliament. And then they have that museum row. And so I started walking through all the museums. And in this one day, I just, I kept walking, for some reason, I just kept walking. And I start walking up this hill. And it's maybe five hours have gone by, and I'm still just walking and I see all of a sudden I see the this graffiti about the the workers, you know, blood and things like that. And then I start asking some questions, because I wasn't necessarily in the heart of Athens anymore. It turns out, I walked to ilio. Poli, which are really awfully I don't know how to pronounce, pronounce it exactly. But I walked to a whole other city, it was 20 something miles away that I walked that day.Unknown Speaker 27:12 Oh, my God.Ari Gronich 27:14 And all I kept hearing is the Albanians, the Albanians, they're coming in. They're taking our jobs, the Albanians. Yeah. And it just was like, it's like, everybody has their people and take their jobs for less money than they're willing to do it for. And then they complain and complain about people who took their jobs that they're not willing to do. And I just found it so fascinating. I also because it was 2004. We were there during the elections. And the campaigns, so watching the bush Gore, you know, shenanigans, and watching that on CNN, Greece, versus CNN, us, right, very different news. So is, you know, you just keep getting awakened to the idea that what you think, you know, is very controlled, very program, very different than reality. And, you know, just like when I was in Israel, and I watch the Palestinians and the Israelis, and the Jordanians and the Lebanese, and, you know, all pretty much living in a city that's no bigger than Lausanne or as a country, that's no bigger than the county of Los Angeles. And for the most part, completely harmoniously. And you would never guess that by watching any of the news. So, I just find it interesting when I've ever gone to other places. And you spent so much time and went to so many places that you get kind of an idea of different cultures and based on different geographies, I would imagine and so on. So, you know, I'm not going to tell you have you run down the list, but if you were down you did a couple Japan, you know, and, and so on In Vietnam, if you were to run down a list of places, and the expectation that you had and then the difference in the people based on the expectation that would be a really interesting thing for I think people to grasp. This is what I thought happened when I when I went to Vietnam, but this is my experience it with the local, okay, that kind of thing. So do that and also, I just want No, because you're six foot six, how? How much? Do you think that there's an intimidation factor of you in some of those cultures, like in Japan and China, where you're probably towering over every day by quite a lot? You know, do you feel like there's an intimidation factor?Matt Javit 30:23 So I had to overcome that. But it was it was cool, because I'm naturally outgoing. And I attempt to be nice, not now, if you see my resting face, it doesn't, I probably am a little intimidating. So I understand that. So I would try to overcome that by smiling a lot more often making a lot of eye contact, and let people understand that I'm not somebody to fear, but somebody to welcome. So I would, I would attempt to do that, because you're right, when I would walk into a room, Cambodians, Vietnamese, especially Southeast Asia, in and in South America, I would tower over a lot of people. And so instantly, there's there's a little bit of anxiety, but then I would try to overcome that just to make sure that they, they understood that I was there for all the right reasons. And to make it welcoming. So it actually, it helped me because it would have helped me break through walls rather quickly. And then I could get into that comfort zone, where then you're getting invited to places and getting asked to go to lunch and stuff like that. So it got it got it was actually a better for us. And then when it comes to those different cultures that really, really stood out Japan was number one, I had no expectations going to Japan. And just to see how amazing those people were in what's what's wild about Japan, the idea that I that I did stick out, and I experienced parts of Southeast Asia where I would have a lot of these stairs, especially like, if you're taking public transportation, you could tell that there's a lot of eyes on you. In Japan, they would not they would not look at me. Because of just how they how their society works is they knew if they were staring at me that that would be something like they were judging me. So they wouldn't do it. So for me, it was like hard to engage with the Japanese because they're just, they're just so kind of Bible that they wouldn't want to meet the like I was at a place. And they wanted me to feel welcome. So the Japanese really stood out to other good,Ari Gronich 32:17 sorry, do you think that the Japanese have kind of taken on political correctness, too, a whole different kind of experience, because I know that they're very, very careful to be considerate of your feelings of your experience of your have your experience, really, you know, very careful to make sure that you feel comfortable as an insider or an outsider, just in general in relation. Do you think that that's political correctness or just being socially you know, having etiquette?Unknown Speaker 33:04 I think I think so thisMatt Javit 33:05 is, this is an uneducated, uneducated point of view, but the purity of the people where if you're Japanese, or Japanese, I mean, it's an island where the Chinese attempted to invade, but they've, they're pretty pure, on who they are. And I think that that is part of their awareness of a culture that they built upon. And spiritually, the Buddhism and the other forms of religion that they that they have there, in lifestyles they have are very Zen like and, and peaceful. And that's what that's what really stuck out with Asia, in Southeast Asia, is the different religions there, that are very harmonious and harmonious and just like calm and peaceful to see people walk the walk, rather than just talk the talk. And I know this is this is I hate to say that. So full military family. I love America. I'm diehard USA, I love our country. But there's certain things that you see elsewhere, that you're like, Man, I wish we could do that. And that's one of them is the idea that when you're in Asia, and the way that they practice every day, and they walk the walk of peacefulness, and not judging people and being being chilled out and calm. Some of the stuff that within Buddhism that really stand out, you would we would hope that we could do the same here instead of just talking about these subjects, and being holier than thou, but not living them. And it's more just, it's it's all conversational, but when you see people's action, you're like, Whoa, you're not doing it's kind like the whole COVID thing with the hilarity that with the governor's around the around the country like they're saying one thing but they're doing another it's kind of how we are as a culture a lot of times and when you're when you're in some of these other places. And it's really peaceful. And that was the thing about talking to my father on the trip, when we were in Tokyo. I was telling him that you don't know what it's like to be in a peaceful city, like a non violent city, until you're there, your body, your body doesn't understand it. Like, we're in Singapore, and Tokyo, like Tokyo, 30 million people making I walked home one night at like, 130 in the morning in Tokyo. And it's one of the things until, you know, like, you're like, I have no fear, I can walk to these places, and not have a fear to look over my shoulder, and think that somebody's going to get me or try to snatch something from us, your body doesn't understand what that feels like, until you're there. And you're like, Wow, this is so like, peaceful and calm. And I was trying to tell him like, you couldn't do that in any major city in America. You can't You can't walk home at 130 in any major city in America and feel like this is I feel safe right now. Um, and until you're there, it's it's so different. That's, that was just one of the some of the stuff that stuck out to us on this journey is like, people that walked a walk. It's, it's, it's nice. It's, it's calming.Ari Gronich 36:10 Yeah, you know, it's interesting, I was in Israel, and like said, and, and I saw, you know, a nine year old girl walking home. I don't know, it was maybe 10 o'clock at night. And I was thinking to myself, you know, when I was when I was younger, we would go out and ride our bikes all day on, we would go to parks, you know, I could have been 567. And I could have been gone all day, as long as I showed up, at kind of some prescribed times the freedom to move freely, so to speak, in my community. And now I have, you know, I have a seven year old and I wouldn't want him to be out riding or going to parks and places by himself. And it's such a shame that we as a society have allowed that to be the case, we, you know, it's like taking it back to ourselves, we allow everything that happens to happen. Because if we didn't allow it to happen, it wouldn't happen. Right? So if we didn't know how our communities to be so unsafe, they wouldn't be because we would control it. But you know, it's funny, I have this this talk that I'm going to be doing. That's really about bullies. My saying is silence is a bully's best friend. So I'm going to kind of go there on the cultures with you. And where did you find that the bullies were more prevalent, less prevalent in around the world, and how people react to those bullies and to the the systems because as you know, the show is a lot about create, you know, creating a new tomorrow, today, it's about how we can figure out that we made this shit up, and we can make it up better that everything in the world that we see is a construct of our imagination. And we can imagine it different. So when you're traveling around the world, if you if you were to take pieces from each culture, right? Where would you which piece would you take from where and where. And in order to make that jigsaw puzzle of the kind of world that you'd want to have that you'd want to live in?Matt Javit 38:43 That's amazing question. Um, first, I think like, we would we would in a different setting. Maybe you and I would debate over the topic of letting your sick kid play at a playground because the book thankfulness shows that it's safer now than than it's ever been. And it was true sistex would show that this COVID crisis has changed that a little bit because you're starting, you're seeing an uptick in in violent crimes, especially around our country, because I think they're just they're just unrest, people want to get out of their homes. And when that builds, then they do get out crazy stuff happens. So you're starting to see a little bit of that. But prior to that, we were getting safer and safer on the country. And the idea this is that I've got two eight year old seven year old nephews, and I'm kind of preach this to their parents on the reg is the idea that there's so many cell phones, there's so many video cameras out there. So everything you do is on camera now. So I think these these kids are much safer. And there's a fear component out there, but it's just the mainstream media. Go ahead.Ari Gronich 39:46 I have one one thought and I want you to address this one thought about that. Do you think that it's safer because more kids are inside on their computers laptops i write etc not that it's safer just that it's per capita maybe safer because there's less kids actually in the parks and in those places i walk around and i don't see kids on the block playing baseball in the street right i don't i don't see itMatt Javit 40:27 well we're in this we're in this crazy environment where if you're if your six year old kids walking by him him or herself to the grocery store like they do all around the world a parent might say who's where's your parent who you hear with if they're like no i'm just going to the grocery store some some crazy helicopter parent might say well no that is illegal we've got to call the authorities so i think there's like this spirit component and parents that say we can't let our kids do the things that we did because i'm with you man i was just having this conversation with a mom where me and my brother would just disappear on our bikes for the entire day the idea that i had a paper out very young 910 years old like these things that like we had like jobs and they have you seen the movie donut king yep it's an awesome movie yeah but the cambodians that came over and and started the chain of donut donut chains on the on the west coast and you look at those kids they were in the donut shop working at age 567 years old and it's it's this mentality and we saw it all around the world where we'd see it was a seven year old kid in waikiki ecuador ecuador selling roses out of his backpack there was there was kids in india on selling goods at age six and seven with with no parents around them on the streets it was everywhere and then you come to america and kids can go to the their mailbox down the street without some sort of guidance it's insanity and it's i think we're doing our kids an injustice by taking away these freedoms early in life and just not just just building that resourcefulness teach them in a certain way and teach them how to get out of scenarios because they're out there there's there's evil people out there that want to harm children but i think that there's ways that we can do it especially as a community if you're talking to people say hey let my kid do this be aware if you see him or her if anybody's around them and be aware but it's that's a i'm sorry for getting on that tangent i just it honestly as a somebody without kids i understand when i look at things as an uncle and as if i was to look at as a father it probably be so much different than then if i had my own children so that's why i always i know the line that i can't cross but i when we saw the things we did with children around the world you can it's a stark contrast of how we handle kids in america in the freedoms that that in really the hustle because that's what stuck out in that movie the donut king is the hustle that you build in those young kids the desire to work really hard to achieve something and you see you saw that with all the different donut shop owners in that movie that it as they got older in life they achieve amazing things and i think that we build that into our kids that hustle mentality that it helps themAri Gronich 43:18 do you think that the midwest is still doing that with you know so to speak the farmers and their kids still doing the work on the farm versus you know nowadays we have the big agro which requires hazmat suits versus you know straw up in and overalls but you know are there places here in america where that is still happening and you know it's interesting i would want to see a study and say okay places where that's happening in the us here's the success rate and here's the happiness you know factor and here'sMatt Javit 44:01 what all this has happened so fast though you know i mean right it's all because all this is the technology in the last 20 years is what's really it's not only it's i think it's both the mainstream media and the social medias focused on these topics that are beer monitoring people to change how they how they handle their children it's also the idea that kids love to play games and they wouldn't it's much it's it seems to be easier to parent when you give your kid a device or a game to have them go play game for three hours then go take them to the park for three hours so it seems like it's it's both a great babysitter babysitter and extremely entertaining and there's value in gaming i think that i think that we discount the value in gaming quite often especially with what's happening in the future is that we a lot of people tend to just look at gaming as As dumb time wasted were one of those that if they're playing the right games, there's a lot of problem solving involved as well. So what is what can be beneficial? But, but all this happens so fast. So the study, we probably won't know, like how that looks in 1010 years removed, but the Midwest values are still strong. I mean, you still, that's why they call them Midwest values, because it's a hard working, it's definitely different. I had the chance to go out and, and work on it on the west coast, totally different. I mean, our coasts are different regions of the country are way different from each other. And those Midwest values still hold true. And you do, you do see kids here that play and they go to the park and hang out together. And it's it is different than kind of like an urban setting where there's a lot of we go to Chicago visit family in downtown Chicago and you don't see you rarely see kids by themselves. It's always like a kid with a parent nearby. Right? Instead of kids just hustling on their own. Right, but what's your point like the the idea of of culture, take a little piece of everything. If you can take the beauty of New Zealand, just the basic beauty of the country, New Zealand the kindness of the Japanese, probably the the bartering skills and just the gritty hustle of India. I'm trying to think the fun the absolute fun of the Portuguese. We had so much fun in Lisbon, Portugal, and just how they celebrate and they they just take on life and they just love life so much. Take that from the Portuguese. The emotions of the the Italians, we spent, we spent time in Sicily, and just just run around in northern Italy for two and a half weeks in a car. Those people are just amazing. And they're gorgeous. The Sicilians I used to have a list of in my head of the most beautiful people around the world. Sicilians are just gorgeous humans. They're just beautiful people.Ari Gronich 46:57 Really? That's interesting, because animals would have you feel differently. Who's that? Is that the sopranos would have you feel differently?Matt Javit 47:06 Yes, buddy. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, when we're on the island, and you just you'd be in a cafe, and a woman would walk in and you're just like, oh my god, that is just they're just gorgeous, gorgeous people. And then um, yeah, there's so much about the Chileans are beyond fun just so much financially. You know, how much how much fun we had there. But yeah, just take little bits pieces all that and create a create an island and disappear forever? For sure.Ari Gronich 47:34 Yeah, absolutely. So what would you recommend if somebody is thinking, Hey, you know, I'm, I'm, you know, my business is on lock it to travel a little bit I can be nomadic with with my business, you know, what would you suggest for places to go and, and ways for them to engage with the culture there.Matt Javit 47:58 So if we're talking post COVID, and it's the world's a little bit more normal, network normal. Yeah. I would if you've never traveled. And this is like your first opportunity to get out of the US, I would suggest, somewhere like Portugal, or Spain, where it is, it's absolutely different, especially like a place like Lisbon. It's gorgeous. It's hilly, it looks like a San Francisco, but small cobblestone streets, it's everything you would dream of about like a romantic, European city. And then you'll be there and you'll know that you're in a different land. But it's not a stretch, it's not crazy different. As if you were going to take the leap and go to Thailand, where it's the the form of transportation is different, it's the language barriers might be more extreme, you'd have less luxuries than you do at home. Although the entire world is catching up really fast. Now that we're going to 2021 the infrastructure around the world is so much better, the access to Wi Fi is great. They understand the luxuries of nice cafes, the entire world is catching up really fast. So but competitive angle, Americans watch this back a little bit because there's a lot of opportunity out there to go to these other places and live a very similar life than you do in the States at a much cheaper cost. And that's what's appealing about a lot of places if you can, if you can have a digital nomad lifestyle where you're making the US dollar, but you're spending it in places where that you can live like a king in Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, some of these amazing places. Albania you mentioned up and a beanie is awesome. Spend time in Albania and the dollar goes real far there. So if you if you can make that money and go there, your eyes will be open like how well you can live there. But you you don't want to if you don't if you don't want to people that want to jump all in and make that trip to to southeast asia where it's super cheap or latin america then a place like portugal southern spain greece croatia croatia is a little bit more expensive but it's gorgeous and nice yeah those that's what that would be my initial step and then once you get comfortable there you meet a lot of other travelers they're talking about colombia or they're talking about bali and bali is a huge digital nomad hub you start to hear about these places and you're ready to take that leap and it's something a little bit different not crazy extreme but it's just it's just different than what we're used to in america then you go there then you're then it's done you'll never come back because those places if you can make good money in those places it's just it's amazing it's so much fun and you'll meet other travelers and that's the coolest part about you meet other travelers but you get into the culture you start to understand the culture but you're meeting people that have that done more than you and have traveled more than than you have and they could tell you about the awesome places around the world then then your list just gets longer and longer of the places you want to go to and then at that point you're you're you're wrapped into the world and it's awesomeAri Gronich 51:07 how would you recommend people approach the local communities when they go their behavior wise and and so onMatt Javit 51:19 so i'm someone that if you have if you know you're staying somewhere for two weeks or more it's great to see a lot of places but i think you'll get more of it if you find a place you're like whether it's a cafe or lunch spot or a dinner spot and you visit once you're like this is like this place so my wife nikki she's a she's a vegan so we'd have to kind of be strategic and some of the places we'd go to i would eat anything but we would for her we'd find like some great spots and once you find that place that clicks for whatever category you're trying to fill go multiple times because the first time they're going to see you as like a customer or a traveler the second time they're gonna stick and recognize you're there they're like okay he must be stamped a little bit and after like the third time they're going to think that like you're you're more of like a local so then you can start to ask other questions of hey where else should i go what other weather weather places in town should i visit and they're going to treat you differently than just your first time in trying to get advice they know that you spent money there three or four times are getting comfortable with you because a lot of these places around the world in these smaller cafe restaurants it's the same owner there every day it's not like they have a staff like in america it's the same guy might be his house upstairs in the shops down in his in his basement or whatever in his in his front of his house and he's just working out of there so they'll get comfortable with you after three visits and then you can start to ask those questions and then they you never know where it could take you they might say well we're having this get together on saturday we would love for you guys to come over and hang out and then once you start getting in with the locals and doing what they do with their music or their their food or their drinks or however they partake and and what they're doing oh then it gets really fun so that's what i would definitely hit that spot find that local spot that you get a rhythm with and always be nice and cordial and tip like an american i think that they'll they'll like that because a lot of these places they don't tip so when you tip like an american they like you a little bit more as wellAri Gronich 53:28 that's awesome yeah i had that experience in greece with the restaurant and i would go there every kind of night after my shift so to speak to eat and eventually you know we would sit and talk for hours as doing greece and it turned out he had lived in boston for a little bit and had a restaurant in there in boston moved back to greece but he would make these like these special dishes that were really for him and because i was there talking to him all the time i literally had a constant supply of food that was his experimental recipes you know this lemon lamb lemon sauce lamb i mean just amazing he would be like he'd come out with a plate say okay we're testing this food let's try this out and we would just sit and talk for four hoursUnknown Speaker 54:30 and what's the best about the culture itAri Gronich 54:31 was pretty cool soMatt Javit 54:33 yeah that's the bestAri Gronich 54:34 that is definitely a thing to do you know what what what's your biggest message the thing that you want people to know the most about culture and diversity and this you know as you say cultural immersion travel what do you want americans to know the most and then what would you suggest just two people who might be coming from outside of the us into the us that would help americans feel more comfortable about the people that are coming to visit us because we obviously have an issue with immigration even though it's been the cornerstone of our country but i know that there are some things that people feel foreigners or foreign travelers are doing wrong or would they would like to see different when when they come to visit us so let's let's take it on both levels because let's get you know our foreign relations back in in the right direction by just understanding each other's culture so let's that both sidesMatt Javit 55:49 yeah i think a lot of it comes to just checking your ego at the door and taking just taking a step back away from political correctness and when you're stepping into these cultures don't see it through the lens of of how media portrays people and just take it on in the most authentic way that you can in judged for yourself what you experience and not with the short lens that you might have going into it and form those new relationships as you can in those in those foreign lands and as you as you're as you're going with a very positive a very fresh ideal of these people are going to say that they're really good people until they show me different and then you're going to have a better experience it's just like anything in life that if you approach it the right way positive will come out of it and then when you're when you're in that don't don't try to push your americanisms on them just just attempt to be in the moment and understand that why they live the way they live because what you got to understand in america is no matter if we are money first we are a money first country all the headlines all the information it's all about economic value to the individual the corporations the government that's what we focus on these other countries around the world are not like that a lot of places are family first their community first there they might be religion first so they're not they don't they don't see it the same way we do when we see a restaurant such an easy example you see a restaurant you're like man they can make so much more money here if they did it this way instead it's like no they have the most fun here because they do it this way and it's that's why it's the families are the restaurants are in a family's name for generations because at the end of the day they make enough to to have a stable income for the family to have this great thing in for their community so just check your ego at the door and when you're when you're going to these places do the best you can to not bring all the baggage with you because that's how you're gonna get the most out of it and you're going to see it a different way and then those those visitors traveling to america i would say the same thing that don't believe everything you see on your news in your foreign lands because when you talk to when we talk to other people and you ask them what do you think about america a lot of that i had one conversation i had do you guys have school shootings all the time like that's what they see that's what they think about and we have school shootings all the time and it's like so they what they're getting a bed from their news because it's the real governments around the world some of which hate the freedoms we have in america so the best way that you could target those freedoms is to show this is what freedom gets you this is how if you have all these freedoms here's here's the baggage that comes with freedoms school shootings this is you want you want guns here's what happens you're gonna have you have killings everywhere we talk to people about oh my gosh should we because a lot of times we want to say we're from indianapolis we'd say chicago because it's easier for them to to understand like oh chicago is so violent they're al capone things like that so that's so if you if you're coming to america check that at the door as well and you understand that we are a kind people and we might not be as inviting as some of the places that you're from but if you ask the right people you make eye contact and you talk to people americans are nice people and we're going to be kind and we're inviting and the other part too is that i do this with i've had friends that like correct me in public settings because the idea that i have traveled and i've had a chance to meet a lot of amazing people around the world i'm pretty good at it understanding where you might be from based on what you look like. And so I'm not afraid to approach somebody and say, Excuse me, I'm just gonna be curious what your heritage is, or what part of the world you're from. And it's turned into some great conversations. Because if I, if I see somebody that if I look, they look Vietnamese to me, and I say, what part of the world you from? And they say, Vietnam is amazing. I spent three months there are, what part of the world and what part of the country are you from? And they say, Well, actually, Iwas, I came over here when I was six, but my parents are from Hanoi, then I can take them down that conversation to have an awesome conversation to get to know each other a little bit, tell my experience their country, and how much fun I had. And I've had people, my friends, say, like, Whoa, dude, that sounds like you're being racist. Like, no, it's not racist. Um, um, everybody likes to talk about where they're from. Like, if you live in the States, you're from Kansas City, you can tell me how good the barbecue is in Kansas City. So So these folks come from a different land. And they're proud of that. Don't be afraid if you approach it the right way. Don't be afraid to have a conversation with somebody about where they're from, because you might actually learn something. And if you're in if you're in a work setting, and somebody is from India, or Poland, or from a different part, and you get to know a little bit about their, their homeland, you might want to take that trip to Warsaw, Poland, because you hear how awesome it is. And so that's what. So my point is, like, if you come here, don't be afraid to tell us where you're from. Because you might meet somebody that's actually traveled there. And then they they're really inviting. And then use use the, because Nikki and I use the technology around the world views work away, where we volunteer our services, for pre bed to stay. And we use trusted house sitters, where we watch the pets in people's home for free place to stay. We things like meetup, where you can get on meetup and find groups that have similar likes and interest, and you can join a meetup and then meet other people that do the same thing. Use it and those are easy ways to, to as you're traveling, meet other people, and then they'd might invite you in. So I would definitely use the technology out there because it might help you get in to like subcultures within the US, and then you can get invited and you're gonna have a more authentic trip as well just like just like we had when we use those technologies in other places. Awesome. What do you think?Ari Gronich 1:02:23 If? What do you think the benefit to in revising for both companies government what, you know, whoever it is that's doing the incentivizing but to incentivize travel to other countries, versus right now what we have is kind of like disincentivizing Yeah, all kinds of things. And I'm not talking about during pandemic, I'm talking about generalized, because the pandemic to me is something that's it will end quarantines will end lockdowns will end at some point, and we'll be able to, you know, move freely about the earth. SoMatt Javit 1:03:04 you're saying, the idea of like, take take Bali, Indonesia, there, the our government would send us there, or their government is inviting us orAri Gronich 1:03:19 government and, you know, companies, I'm not I'm not prescribing a way of incentivizing it specifically, that it becomes an incentivized thing. Versus stay here only know what's in your box. And what's in your office building is, you know, we Americans like to do our 40 to 80 hours a week in one building for 40 to 60 years and and get a gold watch. So we have a limp. You know, we have a history of limiting our perspectives to a very small thing. The other thing, you know, I notice about pretty much, you know, criminals and violence is that it's block oriented, right? If you're on this block, you're in this particular gang, if you're on that block, you're in a different gang, because and you can't go to our block and so we won't go to your block because you're right, so that we limit our perspective, I feel by ghettos and, and communities and blocks. I mean, I remember in Los Angeles, I would talk to somebody in South Central who had never been to the beach. The beach is what five miles away from South Central. So it was like you've never gone outside of this. This really small place. There's been no incentivizing you to leave your little block. And so perspective is only the block. So I'm asking like what would be the benefit for a company companies say to send their employees overseas to go to these other countries, whether it's government, whether it's companies doesn't matter, I'm just saying the benefit to people to be incentivized, so that they feel like traveling to overseas is a doable thing. A lot of people don't even think it's doable.Matt Javit 1:05:23 I think when you're looking at the dynamics of America, where where money is, Trump's all is the idea that it can bring economic value to your company. So because if you understand the hustle in the hard work that goes in to some of these other countries, and you get a chance to live in, walk in and walk through their marketplaces, and see how they, how they sell, and how they interact with their, with their community, you will inspire your employees. So for me, just that the idea that we're Cush here, it's easy, America's easy live, and we have no idea what the hardships that go on around the world. And that's the most eye opening thing I work with an underprivileged community on Indianapolis is Westside. It's not underprivileged, when it looks when you compare it to some of the dire settings around the globe. But in America, it's it sucks. It's It's rough. But so when you go to these other places, and you get to live, and get to see how most of the world interacts, and you're going to come back with a freshness and appreciation of what your
Hi, I am here with Matt Javit. he is living a life of many chapters; all building on the next. Five-Time International Sales Award Winner, Travel Documentarian with his Amazon Video show World Barber Shop Adventures, Nationally Celebrated Author with his book POLICE: Brotherhood in Uniform Around the World, and an Ambassador of Culture.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY MATT JAVIT FOR MORE INFOhttps://mattjavit.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.form Around the World, and an Ambassador of Culture.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Matt Javit 0:00 really showed me what humility and kindness and thoughtfulness is like the Japanese people are amazing people, and just how thoughtful they are in every aspect of their life and how they treat people was eye opening. And that's the coolest thing about the travel is you fall in love with these countries. But then when you come home, you also understand the United States and what makes us special. And so that's why I'm such a big advocate of travel is not the idea that you're going somewhere. It's not just the fact you're going somewhere and knowing and understanding more about the world, but you're also appreciating the aspects of your own country as well.
Hi, i am here with Sandy Rodriguez. She is a former editor for Mexican newspaper Reforma, one of the most influential publications in Latin America. In this capacity, she interviewed numerous leaders and A-List celebrities, covered international fashion weeks and Hollywood press junkets, and took part in a prestigious fellowship program for international journalists sponsored by LG and Seoul National University in South Korea.JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:07 Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. Remember to Like, Subscribe rate review comment on the end of this show, just so that we can start the conversation and get it going. All right, we've got with us today, Sandy Rodriguez. Sandy has been a translator. She's been a journalist for different both US and Mexico publications. She's lifestyle website and cinco multimedia company heart of Hollywood motion pictures. So she's done a lot in the industry. I'm gonna let her kind of give you a little bit of her background and why she became who she is.Sandy Rodriguez 0:49 dThank you so much. Sorry. It's wonderful to be joining you today. I love your show. Well, after that beautiful introduction, let me tell you, yes, you're right that I have been doing many different things. For a very long time. I was involved very directly in journalism. I was one of the editorial coordinators for one of the foremost newspapers in Latin America. That was a newspaper called reformer, which has been around for decades, and it's very, very successful. And that was something that I was very passionate about journalism and my career specifically, I can't say enough good things about about the time that I spent at reforma. But eventually, after about a decade and a half a little bit more than that, I had a personal non professional reasons to decide to move to Los Angeles. So I had to move from Mexico City to Los Angeles, which made sense on a personal level for specific reasons that I will later expound upon. But professionally speaking, it might not have been the wisest of choices, because I was walking away from a successful career at the very height of my career, and moving to a new town, where I knew very few people. And more to the point I This was at a particular point in history, where, you know, the blogosphere, if we can call it that was booming, and a lot of people were creating free content. Now, of course, you cannot say that there was a quality standard across the board. But some people were coming out with extraordinary content, very high quality content for free. So that would certainly did not motivate new employers to say, Hey, welcome, new person to the fold. Welcome. We have plenty of money for you. No, of course not. People were doing that more for fun or to voice opinions at the time. So there really was, it was a little bit challenging finding projects to collaborate on, I did find several, several interesting projects, several interesting companies and people to work with. But this was mostly, let's say, for fun, because it was not one called gainful employment, I was happy to do so. But I did need to find something else, which is when I felt a totally new venue, which, as you mentioned, had to do with translations. I translated a number of books, maybe 10s of books, all kinds of business books, self improvement, medical novels, a number of books of different of different kinds, all of them bestsellers from major publishing houses. And I also eventually fell into a totally new career, that was chord interpreting. And to be honest story, I adore it, it was a wonderful fight. And, as you said, I'm doing a lot of things. But most of them have something in common, which is language communication, they all center around that, that that specific field. And I consider myself a bilingual communications expert. Because of that. I'm very well versed in different forms of communication. And I just love to connect with people such as yourself.Ari Gronich 4:15 That's, that's pretty awesome. So we kind of talked a little bit before the show. And one of the questions that I wanted to talk to you about is translating different languages in my eyes is a completely different mindset. Yet, you know, you get into the culture and the mindset of the language that you're learning or the language that you're translating. So, how does that work for you? Because obviously, your main other language is Spanish and so, you know, to me, there's a very distinct culture in the Spanish language and as well as as a culture at whole. So how does the language influence The mindset and the culture.Sandy Rodriguez 5:04 I think it's very interesting. I think that that can be answered in two different ways. Sorry. For example, if you are, say a bilingual or trilingual individual, or you personally know a number of languages, it might be that you learn one at a specific point in your life and the other one at a different point in your life. So your personality can actually vary, depending on the language you're using. Let me give you an example. Let's say that, as a teenager, you exclusively spoke German. Okay. And then you started learning, say English as an accomplished adult. I believe that when you personally spoke German, your whole attitude might be more useful, and more playful and more teenage like, then when speaking in English, for a number of reasons, not only because it would remind you of a particular point in your life, but also, because of the fact that you will have the vocabulary that is in line with that type of stage in life.Ari Gronich 6:09 Absolutely. You know, it's funny to me, because I look at things like the Bible, and the Torah, and the translation, the things that get lost in translation between old Aramaic, and then Hebrew, and then Latin. And then English, let's say that that's the the only few languages that you know came in between. And then I think of things like the game telephone, that we used to play, where a kid where you whisper in somebody's ear a phrase, and it goes around the room, and then you find out what it has become, when when you get to the, you know, the other side, and what gets lost in translation. It's not just the words that get lost, it's the tone and the emphasis of word and the place where you would put a comma, you know, in languages where there may not be a comma or a separation of, of those words, right, or, like in Hebrew, there's no vowels and Aramaic, there's no vowels. And so you have to interpret what the word is, and the sound and the Val, and you know, before you can get it. So what gets lost in translation between cultures is really prevalent right now, in our society, we don't we have many different cultures that do not speak the same language, even within the English language. And I think that if if we began to try to translate the languages and understand what's actually being said, we may have a different interpretation of the culture that it came from. Do you find that that might be the case as well?Sandy Rodriguez 8:04 I think you're completely right. I think that's completely accurate. In many cases, the issue lies in the fact that there are no words to say what needs to be said. For instance, in English, you might say, I saw somebody screaming and shouting and yelling, okay, in Spanish, there's just one word to describe all three things. So if you were to write a paragraph, that included all of those three things, your Spanish translator might be at a loss, because they simply could not, you know, maybe used all three words in a sentence for emphasis, it would be very difficult for a Spanish interpreter to work around that, for instance, and I've had the experience, you're mentioning the Bible specifically. But I've had the experience of translating many books of many different styles. All of them have been bestsellers for one specific reason. So recently, publishing houses only request translations of best selling material. YouAri Gronich 9:03 know, it's funny that the reason I always bring up the Bible when it comes to translations is just a minor one. But there's, you know, that saying about Jesus having walked on the water, well, that that word on wasn't in the language it was, I so didn't walk on the water walked by the water. And if you I mean, just those two words alone, change the meanings so drastically, of what's being said. And so therefore, the misinterpretation that gets misinterpreted over and over and over again, throughout, you know, history and telling stories, becomes something so much larger than maybe it was, and, you know, I look at how does that conflate up and then how can I relate that to you? current society of oven which language has become? So interestingly separative, you know, there was there's there's each borough, for instance of New York City has a different accent. I guess, the tell if somebody was from the Bronx, from the Queen from Queens from Brooklyn from Manhattan, I could tell just by their accent, where they were from, and then you go, let's say to the south in Tennessee versus Louisiana versus Texas, very, you know, different, or Atlanta, very different accents, very different wording, and inflections and so on, and how much misinterpretation of things get said, right? And then how is it that we are separate as a society so much and so divided and divisive? And would it behoove us to shift so that we all have kind of one language? Or is it better to really understand the language that the person is speaking? You know, what, where? Where do we find that balance so that we can kind of come together as a society. And I'll just take it one last step further, because I know you've done medical books. So I believe that alternative healthcare and Western healthcare have a language issue. They don't speak the same language, because they weren't trained in the same things. And so the language that one speaks is completely different. And if we learn to speak to the language of the person that we're trying to influence, we'll get better outcomes, because we'll have more understanding. So I'm going to leave it there. But that's just kind of like the process in my mind of one of the issues that maybe has a solution so that we can bring ourselves back together versus divided. So separately.Sandy Rodriguez 12:09 I think right, that that's a very interesting point that you're touching upon about how language can cause a rift. And I agree that that's something that that should be addressed. I also think Ari, that even within one same language, people can have many different interpretations of one specific sentence, I remember reading about a situation in which an armed officer heard somebody tell an armed person, give it to him. Now that the officer assumed that the person that was being told to give it to him was also armed. In reality, that other person didn't have a gun, they had a wallet. And when their friend said, Give it to him, the officer assumed that the person had a gun and give it to him meant shoot the police officer. So obviously, the officer had that understanding, when in reality, the friend was saying, Give it to him, like, give them on your wallet, show him it's a wallet. So it was one same sentence that can be interpreted, like,Ari Gronich 13:24 give it to them, like kill him, or give it to him had him your wallet, that is one same sentence that can be interpreted or taken in two different ways. One of the things that I heard you say is that the attention span has gone down so much. And this has been something that I've heard repeated over and over and over and over and over again. And my question, is it the attention span? Or is it the expectation because I know, I watch my kids, and they'll get on to YouTube and watch hours of training and a thing that they're interested in, whether it's, you know, finances or politics, I mean, they'll they'll consume a mass amount of information. And they seem to have extremely long attention spans. And so I hear a say, well, the attention span has dropped it's seven seconds. Now the attention span is so we're almost lower than a goldfish. I mean, we have no attention. Is this just an expectation that they're trying to feed us because I've never experienced having a seven second attention span. I you know, my attention span is however long I'm interested in a subject if I'm interested in something I can look at it for hours and hours and hours and hours, and time disappears completely. And if I'm not interest Did I probably I'm going to be off subject, you know, pretty quickly. But typically, it's not seven seconds. And so I think that that might be something the media is feeding me instead of something that's actually real. So can we address that a little bit? Because you repeated it. So obviously, it's something you've heard of. But I disagree completely. I think that they're pandering.Sandy Rodriguez 15:27 I think you have a very valid point, airy. And I think that both things can be simultaneously true in the sense, I think, what is meant, or at least the way I perceive it, or the way I mean, it is in the sense, that when making a selection, the attention span, is indeed at least in my experience, very limited, because there are almost unlimited options. And you only have limited time.Ari Gronich 15:56 Is there anything else that you really like to talk about, we've had a very great conversation, I think that the audience has gotten a lot out of this. And you know, always at the end of any conversation, I'll ask you to give two or three actionable tips and tricks that somebody can do to improve their life create a new tomorrow today, and activate their vision for a better world. And and based on this conversation, what are some things that you would suggest to the audience that they can do in order to get more information and less opinion, more facts and less reactionary response to, to programming?Sandy Rodriguez 16:44 I think that the very last one of the very last things that we discussed was a very good tip in general, which is to understand what that whatever person or situation is being described, it's never all terrible, are all wonderful. And if a piece of news is telling you No, no, no, this was all terrible, all terrible. There's something wrong there. Or if it's something that's saying what you're reading, or this thing, or this person, or this candidate, or this policy is all wonderful, that's also not to be trusted, anything that is being described as 100%. Awful, or 100%. Excellent, is surely misleading. And a little bit more research needs to be done into that is what I think.Ari Gronich 17:28 Awesome. Anything else?Sandy Rodriguez 17:31 Well, the other thing is to apply that also to your personal life, like in, in normal situations, when encountering new friends, meeting new people starting a new job, any situation you may find yourself in, you might find people that that you at first, you might not enjoy meeting, you might say, oh, that seems like a difficult person, give them time, everybody has something good about them. Everybody has something that you might find pleasing, everybody can become a friend, eventually, I think it's just a matter of waiting it out or digging a little deeper. But absolutely.Ari Gronich 18:05 Yeah, you know, it's interesting, once you strive to understand somebody, it's hard not to like that person, you know, even if you don't agree with their position, or their, their, their thoughts, at least you understand where they're coming from. And typically, most people are coming from the same place that we are with the same wants and needs and desires in life. And, and it's hard to not like those people just because they might think a little differently or believe a little differently than you. So you have a book, why don't you give the topic of your book and a little bit about it so that the audience can get an idea and sense of who you are. And if they want to, to work with you or take a look at that book. How can they get ahold of you?Sandy Rodriguez 18:57 Absolutely. So the book I wrote was titled choose to prevail. And in fact, I have it right here. This is a book that is meant to help the reader find insights that might help them overcome challenges, be they big or small. When I say big challenges, I'm referring to maybe the loss of a loved one, or any situation that is causing them great grief. And when I say minor challenges, I might mean something as minor really as encountering a lot of traffic or perhaps feeling a little bit uncomfortable speaking in public, which is something many people struggle with. So many different types of struggles are addressed in the book. The way the book touches upon that is by suggesting ways to shift your perspective in regard to what is causing you grief, and also suggesting a few actionable steps. And in fact, there is one chapter that touches upon the fact that all of us have something in common, something's in common. So no matter who we may meet, even though they might seem tremendously different, There was always some common ground to be found. So that's something that we should keep in mind, no matter what it is that we're encountering. And if anybody cares to buy the book, it's available on all platforms, Amazon, Barnes and Noble Target. com, wherever they might enjoy buying their, their books. AndAri Gronich 20:20 thank you so much. Absolutely. It was a wonderful conversation. I like beating up the media, no offense to you, because I just believe that, that the media in general has a lot of soul searching that they need to do, and, and return to an integritas kind of way of doing their business so that we as the citizens who are are trying to learn about what's going on in our country can have a an actual sense of what that is, instead of this theoretical conceptual polarized step. So I appreciate you coming on. And I hope you didn't take any of that as personally beating you up. ButSandy Rodriguez 21:12 oh, no, I tried a conversation so much. And I agree so much with much of what you said. Absolutely.Ari Gronich 21:18 Well, thank you so much, and I appreciate that. So this has been another episode of create a new tomorrow, I am your host, Ari Gronich. Remember to like subscribe, rate review comments below so that we can start this conversation and really move along forward our society so that we could create a new tomorrow today and activate our vision for a better world. Thank you so much for being here, and I look forward to the next time.Sandy Rodriguez 21:45 Thank you.
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She's been a journalist for different both US and Mexico publications. She's lifestyle website and cinco multimedia company heart of Hollywood motion pictures. So she's done a lot in the industry. I'm going to let her kind of give you a little bit of her background and why she became who she is.1:47 Thank you so much, Ari, it's wonderful to be joining you today. I love your show. Well, after that beautiful introduction. Let me tell you, yes, you're right that I have been doing many different things. For a very long time. I was involved very directly in journalism. I was one of the editorial coordinators for one of the foremost newspapers in Latin America. That was a newspaper called reformer, which has been around for decades, and it's very, very successful. And that was something that I was very passionate about journalism and my career specifically, I can't say enough good things about about the time that I spent at reforma. But eventually, after about a decade and a half a little bit more than that, I had a personal non professional reasons to decide to move to Los Angeles. So I had to move from Mexico City to Los Angeles, which made sense on a personal level for specific reasons that I will later expound upon. But professionally speaking, it might not have been the wisest of choices, because I was walking away from a successful career at the very height of my career, and moving to a new town, where I knew very few people. And more to the point I This was at a particular point in history, where, you know, the blogosphere, if we can call it that it was booming, and a lot of people were creating free content. Now, of course, you cannot say that there was a quality standard across the board. But some people were coming out with extraordinary content, very high quality content for free. So that would certainly did not motivate new employers to say, Hey, welcome, new person to the fold. Welcome. We have plenty of money for you. No, of course not. People were doing that more for fun or to voice opinions at the time. So there really was, it was a little bit challenging finding projects to collaborate on. I did find several, several interesting projects, several interesting companies and people to work with. But this was mostly, let's say, for fun because it was not one called gainful employment, I was happy to do so. But I did need to find something else, which is when I felt a totally new venue, which as you mentioned, had to do with translations. I translated a number of books, maybe 10s of books, all kinds of business books, self improvement, medical novels, a number of books of different of different kinds, all of them bestsellers from major publishing houses. And I also eventually fell into a totally new career. That was chord interpreting. And to be honest story, I adore it. It was a wonderful fight. And as you said, I'm doing a lot of things, but most of them have something in common, which is language communication. They all center around That, that that specific field. And I consider myself a bilingual communications expert because of that, I'm very well versed in different forms of communication. And I just love to connect with people such as yourself.5:14 That's, that's pretty awesome. So we kind of talked a little bit before the show. And one of the questions that I wanted to talk to you about is translating different languages, in my eyes is a completely different mindset. Yet, you know, you get into the culture and the mindset of the language that you're learning or the language that you're translating. So how does that work for you? Because obviously, your main other language is Spanish. And so, you know, to me, there's a very distinct culture in the Spanish language and as well as a culture at whole. So how does the language influence the mindset and the culture?6:02 I think it's very interesting. I think that that can be answered in two different ways. Sorry. For example, if you are, say, a bilingual or trilingual individual, or you personally know a number of languages, it might be that you learn one at a specific point in your life and the other one at a different point in your life. So your personality can actually vary, depending on the language you're using. Let me give you an example. Let's say that, as a teenager, you exclusively spoke German. Okay. And then you started learning, say English as an accomplished adult. I believe that when you personally spoke German, your whole attitude might be more useful, and more playful and more teenage like, than when speaking in English for a number of reasons, not only because it would remind you of a particular point in your life, but also, because of the fact that he would have the vocabulary that is in line with that type of stage in life. I actually know a person once. And this is quite fascinating. That had two distinct personalities. It was so strange. When you heard this person speaking Spanish. This was a woman that was originally I believe, from California. So when she was speaking Spanish, which was her second language, she was very polite, very proper, a sweetheart. And when speaking English, I would say that she was quite the opposite. Now, I think that that might have been, because her Spanish was still not entirely fluent. So normally, when you're learning a language, your teachers will teach you the most polite phrases. How do you do good morning to you, sir, etc. So normally, that is what you would learn. And maybe that is not aligned with your personality at all. So definitely, that would be something that would be within one individual. So that would be one way to answer the question. Now, on a more general level, on a more culture wide level, it's also quite interesting, because, of course, I don't know, an extreme amount of languages. But it is true that some languages have more of, let's say, a feel, or the possibility the linguistic possibilities to discuss you as an individual or USA as part of a collective whole. So the words and the language that is spoken, might be slightly different, there might not be direct translations for something very specific, because some languages might be more focused on the individual than others. Specifically, I'm to show you a distinction that has to do with cultural differences from Spanish to English. In English, a construction similar to9:02 let's say, things were set up, things happened, people arrived, that kind of construction is relatively common, that is not a natural construct in Spanish. Normally, in Spanish, it's a little bit more descriptive, so that let's say you cannot be as vague or ambiguous in many cases as you might like to be without sounding very unnatural. That would be an example. But beyond the words themselves, I think that the way language sounds is also quite fascinating are because, as I was mentioning, I currently work as a court interpreter in the court system. And something that I feel should be addressed is the fact that some languages sound very sweet and very charming really, and some their natural sound, at least to our Western ears, or our English speaking ears sound very good. Reading are violent or rough, or, in some ways even menacing, when that's not the intention at all. So I think that it could happen that, let's say, if you're on a jury, and somebody a witness, for instance, is speaking a language that sounds like that, that sounds violent, maybe you might assume, oh, this person is clearly a super aggressive individual. And that might not be the case at all. He might be saying something super sweet, like, I was not there that they are, you know, something that is in no way menacing. But it might be perceived as something a little bit more violent. I actually had a similar experience. Not in recent years, some languages, for instance, certain Eastern European languages, and certainly German and some languages of that nature from those parts of the world. Sounds a little bit aggressive to us, both English speakers and Spanish speakers, and certainly people that might speak Italian or French, or some of the sweeter sounding, Latin, derived languages. So um, I met this man, a neighbor, and I thought, Oh, my goodness, he must be in a bad mood, because he was speaking in what I perceive to be tremendously aggressive. He was speaking English, yes. But in a way that was, to me, rather Curt. But then I learned I heard him speak his native tongue. And I thought, No, it's just that he has an accent and his natural tone. Sounds very, you know, like he's cutting you off. Like he's being a little bit aggressive. That's the thing. He's not being mean, he's not being rude. It's just the way his accent sounds. So that's something very important to keep in mind. And it works. The other way around. somebody with a sweeter sounding natural accent, might be saying the most horrifying of things. And you wouldn't really get that, right. It's just a situation where the sound is very different.12:04 Absolutely. You know, it's funny to me, because I look at things like the Bible, and the Torah, and the translation, the things that get lost in translation between old Aramaic, and then Hebrew, and then Latin. And then English, let's say that that's the the only few languages that you know came in between. And then I think of things like the game telephone, that we used to play, we were a kid where you whisper in somebody's ear a phrase, and it goes around the room, and then you find out what it has become, when when you get to the, you know, the other side, and what gets lost in translation. It's not just the words that get lost, it's the tone and the emphasis of word. And the place where you would put a comma, you know, in languages where there may not be a comma or a separation of, of those words, right, or, like in Hebrew, there's no vowels and Aramaic, there's no vowels. And so you have to interpret what the word is, and the sound and the Val and you know, before you can get it. So what gets lost in translation between cultures is really prevalent right now, in our society. We don't we have many different cultures that do not speak the same language, even within the English language. And I think that if if we began to try to translate the languages and understand what's actually being said, we may have a different interpretation of the culture that it came from. Do you find that that might be the case as well?13:59 I think you're completely right. I think that's completely accurate. In many cases, the issue lies in the fact that there are no words to say what needs to be said. For instance, in English, you might say, I saw somebody screaming and shouting and yelling, okay, in Spanish, there's just one word to describe all three things. So if you were to write a paragraph, that included all of those three things, your Spanish translator might be at a loss, because they simply could not, you know, maybe use all three words in a sentence for emphasis. It would be very difficult for a Spanish interpreter to work around that, for instance, and I've had the experience, you're mentioning the Bible specifically. But I've had the experience of translating many books of many different styles. All of them have been bestsellers for one specific reason. So recently, publishing houses only request translations of best selling material. That's the only thing because of financial constraints, that's the only way that it can be done. So it's very, it's a very high level of responsibility for a translator, they need to do a very good job because this is a book that is known to be a bestseller. And it will, it must become a bestseller in the language you're translating it into. But it becomes difficult in this sense, there, it's not so much a language thing, but more of a tradition of writing or a writing style that is used in different cultures. In general, I would say that writing in English be a business correspondence, a book, or even something as as extremely detailed as the Bible, I would say that overall, it's a very straightforward language, if that's the way that it that it's used, it's it's the writing tradition, that's the way it's simply it's done. Whereas in Spanish, things tend to be very roundabout. That is especially true in business correspondence, but it's also very true in literature. So if somebody were to do an exact translation of a document, or contract a book, from Spanish to English, it might appear to be that it's poorly done. If you were to go like literal, if you were to do this very literally, because the the English reader would say, well, that does not sound natural. Certainly that must be wrong, this person was not very experienced. So that is what would happen if you were to translate precisely what is being said. That is also why when interpreting we are trained to translate not so much word by word, because that would tend to happen, it would sound very choppy and strange, but rather to go by ideas or by meanings, so it might be, let's say, a saying such as I'm thinking, the early bird catches the worm or something of that nature, that is not the way you would say to Spanish, it would sound very strange, and the other way around as well. So you will find an equivalent saying something that has the same meaning. And use that instead. Because if you purify to go word by word, it becomes very complicated. And specifically what you were mentioning, in the case of, of the Bible cow, it can become like a game of telephone. Well, in the case of the Bible, certainly because there are many translations. But even if we were to go on a smaller scale, let's say that you gave me something to translate to Spanish and I did that. But then you told me, Hey, you know, I want you to do it, to give it back to me in English again, because now I want it back in English, and I had lost your original copy. Okay, I would have to do it again from scratch. And it might not be identical to your first your original text, because of the simple reason that there are so many ways to express the same thing synonyms, that it might not be identical, it would be the same meaning, but the specific words might be different. And in a case, as important as the Bible, that causes problems because the Bible much like say, a contract has I mean, every individual word is scrutinized. And people might assign a very specific meaning to the choice of words. So even something as minor as a comma as minor as a semi column as minor as a preposition might actually change the meaning dramatically. And that's why our translation involves a huge degree of responsibility. Certainly,18:36 yeah. You know, it's funny that the reason I always bring up the Bible when it comes to translations is just a minor one. But there's, you know, that saying about Jesus having walked on the water, well, that that word on wasn't in the language it was, I so didn't walk on the water walked by the water. And if you I mean, just those two words alone, change the meaning so drastically, of what's being said. And so therefore, the misinterpretation that gets misinterpreted over and over and over again, throughout, you know, history and telling stories, becomes something so much larger than maybe it was, and, you know, I look at how does that conflate up and then how can I relate that to current society of oven which language has become so interestingly separative You know, there was there's there's each borough, for instance of New York City has a different accent. I guess the tell if somebody was from the Bronx from the Queen from Queens from Brooklyn from Manhattan, I can tell just by their accent, where they were from, and then you go, let's say to the south in Tennessee versus Louisiana versus Texas, very, you know, different, or Atlanta, very different accents, very different wording, and inflections and so on, and how much misinterpretation of things get said, right? And then how is it that we are separate as a society so much and so divided and divisive? And would it behoove us to shift so that we all have kind of one language? Or is it better to really understand the language that the person is speaking? You know, what, where? Where do we find that balance so that we can kind of come together as a society. And I'll just take it one last step further, because I know you've done medical books. So I believe that alternative healthcare and Western healthcare have a language issue. They don't speak the same language, because they weren't trained in the same things. And so the language that one speaks is completely different. And if we learn to speak to the language of the person that we're trying to influence, we'll get better outcomes, because we'll have more understanding. So I'm going to leave it there. But that's just kind of like the process in my mind of one of the issues that maybe has a solution, so that we can bring ourselves back together versus divided. So separately.21:44 I think that that's a very interesting point that you're touching upon about how language can cause a rift. And I agree that that's something that that should be addressed. I also think that even within one same language, people can have many different interpretations of one specific sentence, I remember reading about a situation in which an armed officer heard somebody tell an armed person, give it to him. Now that the officer assumed that the person that was being told to give it to him was also armed. In reality, that other person didn't have a gun, they had a wallet. And when their friend said, Give it to him, the officer assumed that that the person had a gun and give it to him meant shoot the police officer. So obviously, the officer had that understanding. When in reality, the friend was saying, Give it to him, like give the man your wallet, show him it's a wallet. So it was one same sentence that can be interpreted, like give it to them, like kill him, or give it to him had him your wallet, that is one same sentence that can be interpreted or taken in two different ways. I've, I've had that happen in, in court situations, for instance, in domestic violence situations in Spanish, one same sentence might mean, he broke up with me, or he Well, he said he was going to break up with me, or he said he was going to finish me off, which as you can see, has a tremendously different connotation. So yes, certainly, it's very important to go a little bit beyond even if you say, I heard this with my very own ears, you need to understand that you might not be understanding what the person meant. We need to give people the benefit of the doubt, I think, certainly I'm discussing situations where you may or might not have time to give people the benefit of the doubt. But let's say in everyday circumstances, it's very important to, to take things, break them down a little, maybe we hear something or we feel that we are being told something that might be insulting or disparaging or something that we might not want to hear. But that might not be what the person meant at all. And it can certainly cause tremendous risks. It's quite interesting that sometimes you were talking about how, how many divisions can be formed, especially now that that people have very extreme opinions about things. I had this experience to people might listen to one specific political speech or one specific speech from say, a businessman. And everybody hears what they want to hear. They might kind of pick up on the one sentence that confirms their bias confirms whatever they want it to think about that person and completely ignore the rest. As somebody that is very moderate because I believe myself to be Very interesting people on on both extremes might hear one very same thing and have totally different takeaways. So that's also an important thing to consider that even if we say, I heard something, I heard it myself, yes. But you might hear it in a way that is very specific, based on your previous perceptions on your previous beliefs on your previous biases. And it's quite interesting. It really is interesting. I don't know if you've ever had an experience where you were you were part of a conversation. And later when discussing that conversation with other people that were also there, it seems to be that everybody came out with a different understanding.25:43 That Absolutely, I mean, that happens all the time. Every You know, every time just like if you get in a car accident, you have 15 witnesses, you have 15 completely different stories of what what they saw happen. And so here's here becomes a question. The soundbite culture is all about taking things out of context. Because if you're only playing the soundbite, and not what surrounded it, you are taking it out of context. And then as journalism has progressed, unfortunately, the way it has the commentators who are supposed to be the journalists, which report what happens, and having their own bias that they start commentating on this soundbite that they've taken out of context, and therefore, the people who listen to those journalists are only getting a soundbite taken out of context and an opinion based on a pre disposed bias, regardless of sides. It's either way. And so the question becomes like, how do we? How do we solve this as as a society because to me, journalism, used to be report the facts, once the facts are reported. A commentator might have an opinion about what happened, but they're gonna say, this is what happened. And then now, here's my opinion of what happened. Versus here is a little piece out of context of what somebody said, you know, so how do we solve this so that we can get back to believing in our media, believing that the things that are being said, are not agenda driven? are not anything other than here's what happened?27:48 That's a fascinating question. And I think you're absolutely right, in that sound bites are definitely what is being used most these days. I think that there is a reason for that. And that is that we have shorter attention spans, there's that. And also, there are just so many media outlets out there that they need to grab your attention. And a sound bite is basically the, let's say, equivalent to clickbait. The moment you hear something short, you might say, Oh, that's interesting. Let's have a look at what's going on with that. So it does grab your attention. There's a reason for that. And not only to create, you know, conflict, if there's a there's an actual reason you want to drive traffic to your site, to your channel, to your newscast to your media outlet, whichever it may be. So journalists, and many people these days do focus on sound bites, clickbait, and anything that might sound shocking enough to grab eyeballs grab attention. Certainly that's that's something that is done. Now, certainly, as a society, or as a person that consumes information, be it online or by any other means. We need to be a little bit less naive and understand what the purpose of the sound bites is. And the purpose is the same thing as with clickbait, it's to cause us to focus and say, oh, and pay attention to just just grab our attention. That's your main focus. Certainly, sometimes they are, like you said, very agenda driven. If a specific news outlet has something in mind, they can certainly cherry pick specific parts of a political speech or a speech given by any individual to advance their agenda and say, See, I told you so he said this, she said this. They say that, certainly, yes. But we need to be, as consumers a little bit aware of what's going on that so that we are not easily swayed, or, I mean, certainly, it's fun to say, Oh, you know what that person said? I mean, it's fun. It's interesting. It's attention grabbing, but we need to understand that there is an agenda behind that. And the agenda might either be to promote a specific person or a special tipping policy, or have that person canceled or make them become disliked. Or the agenda might be something as as innocent as simply driving more traffic to a specific website or news outlet. But in any case, as a consumer, we need to know that there is a purpose, much like what happens when we see commercials. They're fun, they're entertaining, some are very beautifully produced, they might have very cool music. But we know i mean that we take them at face value. I don't think that anybody says, Oh, I know that this product that I saw on TV must be fantastic. Because I saw it on a commercial. No, I mean, I think we're mature enough to understand there's there are interests in place. So we need to understand that a sound bite is a sound bite, it's something taken entirely out of context. Now, views are thing now how can we go back to the days of yore? Okay. Here's the thing, I do agree that in the past, long form articles were more the norm than they are now more recording on fax was done, then then it's done. Now. However, I do think that, at least in as far as I can remember, and I'm sure that this was the case even before. There's a journalistic saying, which is if it bleeds, it leads, which basically means things that are shocking things that are bad things that are negative, we want those are human interest story might be fun and fine. And occasionally, you know, a sprinkling of that is certainly something everybody wants heartwarming, you know, over the holidays, of course, but let's say on a normal day to day basis, what used to make front pages was always a terrible news, the terrible the violent, the bloody beheadings, killings, a terrorist. So that is also not entirely not to say that it didn't happen, because surely it did, especially effects are being reported. And there are witnesses supporting this. And there, there's no denying that these are facts, but it does give you a slightly skewed perception of reality. Because there are many things going on at any given time that are just not reported on that's one thing. For for many reasons, I cannot think that it's similar. Because if you just walk past a newsstand, like we used to do in the past, and the front page, that's something like a fireman rescues kitty out of a tree. Sure, it's interesting, but it might not be front page news. Whereas if it's something horrible, like killing mass murder, that tends to attract attention a little bit more. So we also need to be conscious of that as media consumers, even if we do enjoy the longer form reporting more, knowing that it might skew toward the negative. But that's not not the whole picture. Definitely.32:50 Gotcha. So one of the things that I heard you say is that the attention span has gone down so much. And this has been something that I've heard repeated over and over and over and over and over again. And my question is, is it the attention span? Or is it the expectation because I know, I watched my kids, and they'll get on to YouTube and watch hours of training and a thing that they're interested in, whether it's, you know, finances or politics, I mean, they'll they'll consume a mass amount of information. And they seem to have extremely long attention spans. And so I hear us say, well, the attention span has dropped in seven seconds. Now, the attention span is so we're almost lower than a goldfish. I mean, we have no attention. Is this just an expectation that they're trying to feed us because I've never experienced having a seven second attention span, I, you know, my attention span is however long I'm interested in a subject, if I'm interested in something, I can look at it for hours, and hours and hours and hours, and time disappears completely. And if I'm not interested, I probably am going to be off subject, you know, pretty quickly. But typically, it's not seven seconds. And so I think that that might be something the media is feeding me instead of something that's actually real. So can we address that a little bit because you repeated it. So obviously, it's something you've heard of but I disagree completely. I think that they're pandering,34:46 I think have a very valid point, airy, and I think that both things can be simultaneously true in the sense, I think what is meant or at least the way I perceive it or the way I mean, it is In the sense that when making a selection, the attention span is indeed, at least in my experience very limited, because there are almost unlimited options. And you only have limited time. For example, let's say that I want to take a course in, I want to take a guitar tutorial, let's say online. Okay, certainly once I find the tutorial that I like, I can certainly focus on that for a good long time, hours at a time days at a time, I'll be in the flow, I will love it. Time will just pass by that that is very true. However, I might be bombarded with 50 different tutorials, and then I'll start getting emails saying I have a better tutorial, and then I'll start getting flyers in the mail. And it'll be like, Okay, let me see. Okay. Does this instructor look talented enough? No. Okay, does this one look like they might capture my attention? No. So just making the decision is where it has to be like in a split second, almost, maybe, um, maybe that's just my experience. I agree that when you do like something, and when you find something that you like, you will focus, but let me give you an example. I like reading both physical books and electronics. What I often do is that I download samples of what can I say maybe 30 books at a time, because I'm interested in many topics. But to be honest, sorry, I open one. And if my attention is not captured by paragraph two, or three, it's by the next one by eventually I find one that I like that I purchased that one. And of course, I will delve into that I will spend an entire afternoon. And I will be delighted. But I think that I really don't have a lot of time, or I'm not giving them a chance. Beyond seconds. To be honest. Once I find something that I like, I might even become very loyal and follow the author or follow the Twitter or follow whoever I decided on online, and I might subscribe to their newsletter. But just the decision making, I do think it's almost like a split second thing.37:01 Right? So that sounds to me, like discernment versus attention span. And you're discerning, am I interested in what I'm just reading? Or what I'm just hearing? Or am I not interested in it at all. It's not something that strikes a fancy. That to me is discernment versus attention span. And like I said, I think that I think the media perpetuates that myth as a pandering and an excuse, to be able to show a soundbite out of context and say, This is what it means. And oh, by the way, you know, you don't have an attention span to even follow it. So I'm going to go on to the next soundbite. And then I'll tell you what it means because you won't have a You Won't you, you audience won't have the attention span. Because we collectively don't anymore to actually listen to this soundbite and then research what it was actually what was actually around it, and find out what it is. So I'm going to do your work for you. And what I you know, it's funny what I tell my son when he wants to, he's seven years old when he wants to go on and, you know, watch YouTube and do all these things. I tell them, you're borrowing your imagination from somebody else. And in the case of the media, you're borrowing your knowledge from somebody else, and then claiming it as your own because it It fits your belief system, versus actually knowing if that information is correct or not correct. If it's in context, out of context, what it really meant, what the person was really trying to say, what that policy really is, you know, I think it's a way of us basically abdicating our responsibility, our civic responsibility to learn and know things and just regurgitate the the things that the nearest person who believes in what we believe in is saying, and, and then the news and the media say, Oh, well, we can use this, to push our agenda on the people who believe in what we're believing in, and we'll tell them what they want to hear what they you know, the pieces of what we heard, that we know will trigger them the most. And to me, that's not really journalism. And so that's kind of where I want to pick up on this is that's not journalism. To me. That's opinion and there used to be an opinion column in the newspapers. I don't know if it's still there, but there used to be that was the purpose of the opinion column. There was the news and then there was the opinion. And and I find that that all news is Pretty much non factual opinion nowadays.40:04 I think you make very, very valid points. I have completely agree with many of the things that you're saying. I have seen certainly opinion columns recently. But you know, you're right in that they blur in with normal column C stay, because because you're absolutely right, most of the, let's say, reporting, those indeed include commentary, personal opinions, or at least it attempts to sway in one way or another. I hadn't thought about it like that. But I think you're absolutely accurate. I also think, are that what you're saying about these things, getting a little bit mixed up, and not having a clear distinction between facts and opinions, has even gone a step further, because in the past, let's say you had your news, and you also had your entertainment news or your celebrity news. Now, these days, entertainment news is the new celebrity news is the news, they are very much intertwined. So it's important to also remember that in many cases, what we might call news these days has not only the or not necessarily the objective, or the goal of informing but rather of entertaining, and it not might not be as accurate as one would expect it to be. So you really do need to take everything that you see with a grain of salt. Definitely.41:29 Absolutely. So how do you how do you think that people who rely on the information that's coming out of that box to be accurate? How do those people gain the discernment? To know Is this correct information? Is it not? Especially when you can't really Google things anymore? Because I mean, other than being overwhelming, we we've seen you, if you look up on Google one phrase, and you look it up on Yahoo, the same phrase, or on being the same phrase, or on DuckDuckGo, the same phrase, you're going to get completely different set of responses and results. And so how does somebody get to a place, you know, where they actually know what's happening, and there is no ambiguity of what's going on, because they're looking at news and facts versus opinions and hyperbole.42:33 I think that it's almost impossible to ascertain with any degree of certainty that a certain thing is a reality, simply because often there are many ways to view reality. But for instance, one one piece of advice that I would definitely give people, sometimes I see news stories, and I'm using air quotes, because they're more like, yeah, like commentary on something that happened. Let's say that there might be a clickbait headline saying, so and so said this and that. And then it says, during his speech, this person said this thing, okay, what you can do is say, why don't I just go and watch the speech, you can simply go watch the speech specifically, and listen for yourself and see exactly what the person said, what he was, what words he was using his demeanor, what the context was, you can get a better understanding if you actually go to the source material and see what was said, rather than hearing somebody have a conversation or say something about what was said, This avoids what you were saying a moment ago about things seeming like the old game of telephone, rather than saying, Okay, this person said that this person said that the other person said this thing, just watch the original thing, I think that would be one, one possibility. The other thing that I would definitely recommend is this. When you personally have a specific opinion on an issue, for whatever reason, algorithms in your social media, they will become like an echo chamber, you will see a lot of information that just confirms whatever you already believed in. So it makes sense to me to occasionally just to see what's out there, step outside of your comfort zone and see what the opposite side of the continuum has to say. Even if it's just for informational purposes, just to see what's going on. And you might find that you actually resonate with some of the ideas from another group of people that you had never even thought to consider because you were stuck in your echo chamber, which is what your own social media was feeding you based off your own personal likes. So I think that that that is valid also. I don't think that it's possible to say regarding any specific issue, I know if this is going on. Bad with 100% degree of certainty. Also because everything benefits someone at hurt someone else, I see that often not to get tremendously political. But for instance, when people need to vote on propositions, normally every proposition has an upside and has a downside. Now you might say, well, the upside is more important to me than the downside. So I'm voting for this thing. Okay, great. You voted for this thing. But saying yes to this means that the budget for something else might need to be cut. What if that other thing is also important to you? Okay. Well, it's almost important, it's almost impossible to have a very clear picture of everything, and its implications for everyone at all times, you can only do the best you can, I believe. And that means taking everything at face value when it comes to commentary, because commentary is commentary, everybody has their own opinion, the best that you can do is find the source material and focus on that. Certainly, you cannot be present in certain private press conferences and such. But many things these days especially, are readily found and almost instantly if they're not being live streamed there shortly being uploaded quickly enough so that you can get at least a better understanding. If you hear a sound bite or see a clickbait headline that you find a little bit alarming. It really does serve you well, to go back to the source material, listen to the speech, look at what was going on, what was the thing that was being said, as you used to, like read with what was said, I've seen. Let me give you examples. One time I sawa very shocking cover discussing a certain ingredient in food, and it said such and such ingredient, how much harm can it possibly do, therefore implying that it was terrible. I'm guessing that a lot of people walked past it, and you'll stand and automatically made up their mind that this was a horrible, radiant, deadly threat. Terrible, very, very damaging. But I actually bought the magazine, I read the article calmly, and experts weighed in, and the actual answer to the question on the cover was not at all, it's a very helpful ingredient. It's healthy, it's fine. There's no problem with the agreement at all. But the way the cover headline was phrased, really gave people a totally different opinion that was clearly meant to attract attention. But in looking at it a little bit more deeply. And then going and doing a little research on the people giving their opinions. As it turns out, I now believe that particular ingredient to be perfectly fine, I have no issues with it. What I'm here to cover might be very hesitant to give it a try. And so that's that's something also to to understand why people are using headlines.47:51 Gotcha. your mic volume did a little muffle a little bit. So just letting you know. So the here's your here's a question. Since you're not a journalist at the moment, you're doing the court reporting. I can ask you this question. Are there any news organizations, media organizations these days that you trust information from?48:21 Let me tell you, when here's the thing, and it might sound like something not everybody can do. But I find that when I want to see accurate reporting about Mexico, I might go to American sources. If I want to read accurate information about the US on like go to Mexican sources, German sources, other different sources, because they tend not to have a particular interest in what is going on their agenda. I mean, especially if it's especially when it's a country that really has no specific interest. They have nothing to gain or lose by by advancing a specific agenda. It tends to be more trustworthy. That's what I tried to do. And for the most part, I believe that it has worked well.49:07 That's interesting, because what, for instance, when I was in Athens during the 2004, Paralympics, that was right, when the bush gore campaign was happening. And I would watch the US version of CNN in in my Greek hotel, and then I'd watch, you know, the Greek version of the same news, and it was completely, completely different. There was there was not even a semblance of what was being said on them that that equal the same thing, right? there very, very different interpretations of those debates. And what's interesting about it is, again, just that saying that I just said was interpretation would imply a language barrier, right? And so that language barrier that lost in translation, that personal interpretation, all of those things have kind of come together in this perfect storm of leaving, at least in the United States. The fake media, you know, everybody's all over this, the news is not real. And while I can absolutely see that being the case, and and that being a truth, I think that if, if somebody were to get a little bit more into the weeds of it, they'll find where that truth is. But, and this is really important for the audience to get is they need you need. And I'm saying need, like really strenuously you need to immediately prior to reading or listening or hearing or consuming, take account of your predisposed bias, take account of what you already believe is true or not true. And so that you can come into it with a fresh, open mindset. Because otherwise, you're only going to hear from that preconceived bias. In that, right.51:35 I absolutely agree. No matter what you think, well, you can see it even in scientific study. You can infer anything from a study that confirms what you already wanted to hear what you already thought was true. That is something to always keep in mind, especially when reading statistics, or when seeing numbers. A lot of the times the public sees numbers or study, statistics, research, the words empty, thrown around, or anything that sounds highly scientific or highly statistics backed. So they might assume, okay, those are facts. Why, because I see the numbers, I see figures. Again, it's not the numbers are necessarily massaged, or in any way faked. But any study or any, anything you want to prove, can be proven simply by using the right data. And there's always data in support of anything. So I think your suggestion, to be very aware of previous biases and beliefs to be very important so that people can come into new information with a fresh set of eyes, just seeing what's out there and not being closed off to information that might contradict their previous beliefs. Absolutely.52:57 Right. Yeah. You know, it's funny, long time ago, when I was really interested in what was happening on the news, which I'm really not anymore because it got too crazy. But I would I would do things like I would listen to rush limbaugh and I would listen to Dennis Prager and then I would also listen to people on the other side of that puzzle, right? I worked for the LA Times actually selling door to door when I was a teen. I had people tell me, you know, I get my news from rush limbaugh. Right? That was what they would tell me. And I'm like, Okay, well, this is an interesting thing to take note of in my 15 year old mind as that they don't get the news from the la times because it somehow has its bias and its echo chamber versus rush limbaugh's echo chamber versus I guess, a different newspapers. So I took note of that, that bias at that age. And so I listened and watched. I would watch glenn beck and I'd watch Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann, I'd watch you know, CNN I got, I would go through different belief systems all in one day on the same information. And I would look at it and analyze it as, okay, this is the same 15 minute soundbite. So does, you know, our 15 second soundbite and this is three or four or five different interpretations of that soundbite. And so I would go back and say, Okay, what did what happened around that soundbite and I would take that into what I was doing because I really wanted to understand that was like the whole purpose of, of wasting my time and other people's business, which is what news is, is other people's business for the most part. So I'm wasting my time and other people's business and So I figured if I'm gonna do that I might as well learn what they want and what I want to know what they want me to know. And, and so I found it interesting because I've never fallen into an echo chamber. And during this really crazy time that we're living in all, I'll have an opinion about something based on my research and knowledge, and somebody will assign a label to me because of it. I've been assigned as a liberal snowflake. And I've been assigned as a Trump supporter, and I'm not either of those things. You know, if you're one thing, you can't be for another thing. And if you're for this thing, you can't be for that thing. Because you have, you know, it's like, it's like this, this world has lost its ability to consume information, critically think have some common sense based on what they're thinking, and then apply things like a butterfly effect, what are what is that action mean? And what is the action, the consequence that those actions mean? And so I blame. I blame the media and the fact that we deregulated in the late 70s, early 80s, our media and our news that was meant to be a nonprofit. For this the station's like, we gave you the FCC regulation to allow you to communicate. And the thing that we asked Is that your news our was not for profit, because it had to be just news. And we deregulated that started in the 70s, late 70s, early 80s. And then, look what's happened since then. And so that next question is, how do we get back to a place where we consume this information? And we regulate it? Maybe. So that it is, here's the facts, you know, like dragnet used to be just the facts, ma'am, nothing but the facts.57:21 I think that would not be possible without some sort of cash infusion from some source that had really zero interest in advancing one agenda over another. But quite frankly, I can't see how that would come to pass. And it is a vicious cycle. Not to sound like tremendously defeatist, but let me give you an example of something that happened in Mexico. This might happen, I'm trying to remember it might have been maybe not 10 years ago, but it was it was a while back. Okay, so what happened was that a new president came into office, a very polarizing president tremendously. So even more so than President Trump like tremendously polarizing. And one of the first things that this person said was, I'm going to cut down on government spending on things that are unimportant or inconsequential, for instance, I'm no longer going to advertise in newspapers. Now. I think that as a whole as a society, you would think, well, it makes perfect sense for the government and not to place ads in newspapers, because I mean, a they're already in power b that would make the, you know, newspapers more prone to speak well of that government, regardless of their own personal feelings or the facts. It sounds like a very good idea. So what happened was that indeed, of the government, overnight, they cut down all spending on newspaper ads, which sounds like a good idea. But the next thing that happened was that newspapers said, Hey, we have no budget, and they had to slash their workforce in half nearly overnight, leading to more, let's say more space for unpaid people that like to offer commentary and such. So it ended up being one would assume that that would lead to a more transparent or a more objective situation, but it really did not I don't think so it's it's a very hard situation to solve. I think that the only way for a specific media outlet to be entirely free of a biases beyond the normal biases that an individual reporter might have. Just to speak as a as a media outlet as a whole. It would need its money to come from let's say a private investor that was completely disinterested in in any you know, somebody that was not that had no specific feelings toward one or or another thing, because of your being funded by a candidate up party, Group, a lobby, obviously that's going to be refunded. In one way or another, that's that's a fact. And I mean, not even getting into political things, let's think about something more on the soft news side, let's say that you are a fashion magazine, and you have ads coming in from a certain fragrance manufacturer or a certain designer, obviously, you're going to feature them more heavily and more favorably in your pages. That's just a fact. And the only way to do away with that would be to have an ad free experience. I don't know what it would have to be a model where money was coming in from someone are some sorts that really was unrelated to what you were doing. And that's, that's hard to achieve. Definitely, I think that would be the only way to go about that. I don't see how it could be done otherwise.1:00:48 Okay. So unfortunately, that that viewpoint is a rather bleak viewpoint for worlds because a world that doesn't can't trust the facts, is going to end soon, right the country, and that we've seen this in pretty much every empire that has begun to do what we've begun to do is that it's not very long before the collapse, before it gets, you know, destroyed as is and has to be rebuilt. So that's a pretty bleak view, especially if in a 24 hour news cycle, we can't dedicate four hours to just the facts. And the other 20 can be moneymaking hours, but those four hours, maybe one every quarter, so to speak of the the day is here's the facts. This is what happened. This is what bill was passed. This is what that bill means for, you know, in actuality, this is what it does. No commentary. This is what, for instance, like people who don't like Trump, have no idea the amazing things that he's done for the things that they themselves would want done. Right. So for instance, there's been more arrests in human trafficking than any other president in history, right. And this is a fact, it's not, doesn't assign a morality to this president. But in this period of time, there was something that he did that allowed the police and the agencies to uncover and go after more of those people. And there's been more arrests in that thing. That's a fact. So without commentary, you can't say that. And have people know that who don't like Trump, and who listened to news that's against Trump, just like, in on the fox side, or on the on the side, that is all for Trump, you may not hear some of the things that he's done, that would say rip apart the natural park system, right. And that attacks nature and in the environment, you may not even hear about it, even if that's something you're interested in. Because you're interested in this kind of predisposed bias. And so that's where I'm saying, I don't think that it's as dire as you as you made it out to be. I don't think that we need to have them make no money or get these, you know, this thing, I think we need to regulate that four hours a day, on a 24 hour news cycle, you must tell the facts, and have no commentary and no opinion about the facts and the other 20 hours, you can talk all you want about what you think of it. But for those four hours, you need to tell the facts for this set of this section of the newspaper. It needs to be facts or this thing that you're you know, like, if you're a journalist, and you're telling news, there used to be this thing that journalists had to do, which was verify their sources, right, they verify the Yes, print something that was not factual. And that has absolutely shifted and changed. And I don't think that that's a money conversation. I think that's a morality conversation for a country and a regulation issue, just like pouring toxic waste out and making the the consequence, say a million dollars when a company's making $15 million a day to dump their waste, right, that that that incentive that I'd rather pay the million dollars and dump and not spend the 15 million Well, okay, but you're still dumping the toxic waste instead of not doing So that's a regulatory issue, in my opinion, versus I don't think it has to be as dire as, as what you had said, do you think would work?1:05:12 I think it would work fabulously. I think that would be an excellent idea if it would, indeed be implemented. And I also wanted to touch upon something that you just mentioned, which is that in the past, verifying sources was absolutely necessary. It wasn't optional. And now it's rarely done. I think that I agree that it's not a money issue in that specific regard. I would venture to say that beyond being a morality issue, it has to do with logistics, these days, when websites are rushing to have breaking news up on their websites. To be honest, I think that the rush to be first causes a lot of sloppy reporting and not, you know, reporting sources, or even knowing if something is accurate. I think there's also that thing. Now, you might say, well, but even back in the day, even in print newspapers, of course, you're also racing against the clock. Yes, but not to this degree. I think that this is a little extreme now that people want to be the one breaking the news. And in fact, it's a little crazy, because if you're the website breaking the news, you might say something that's totally off. And immediately 10 other websites will report on what you report it. So now it's 10 different outlets making the same exact mistake over and over and over. And it could be a factual mistake, it can be something that's misquoted. I've seen that happen time and time again, I think, certainly, there's an element of morality, not putting something out there that not you're not sure about. But I think there's a lot of pressure. And that's something that that is a direct consequence of the immediacy these days.1:06:54 So then it gets to kind of part of my favorite topic, which is bullies, and, and the bullies of the system and why we allow the bullies to win, and, and do things that are completely against our own self interest. So we do things completely against our own self interest on a regular basis, because we're letting the bullies win. And it seems like in what you're saying, we're letting the bullies win. Instead of having integrity, journalistic integrity used to be extremely important. And now it's completely unimportant. And, and so how do we get back to teaching, training, and then learning this integrity piece, and then saying, if you as the bully as my boss, as the person above me telling me to do this the wrong way, don't stop telling me to do it the wrong way, and allow me to keep my integrity. Right? Then I'm going to report you, as the person stopping me like, we did this, this whole thing of, we allow the system to be broken, because we're afraid of it. Because we, you know, have Has everybody lost their freaking minds is what I is what I think of when I hear stuff like that, because who cares who's first, if you're not accurate, you're not accurate. That means that you're losing your integrity, that means that you can't be trusted. That means that you're a journalist, that has nothing to say to me. Because you're lying, right? And so therefore, when is it that you're going to stand up for your integrity to the system that's bullying you. And this goes the same thing to the doctors who are in the system who are looking at it going, I am morally injured as a doctor because I'm being told to treat patients in a way that goes completely against my training, my background, my knowledge and my belief in loving my my patients and treating them with healing and not and doing no harm. So they need to stay stand up. It's their responsibility in the position of and this is really hard to say this in the position of being the victim of the bully of the system. It's their job to stand up and get loud because silence is a bullies best friend. And the only way you stop a bully is by standing up getting loud and exposing them to the masses. Right. So when does a journalist report on their boss? When does a journalist say enough is enough? This is what I'm being told to say. And this is What is really true? How do we get back to that kind of integrity of a nation of a citizenry? that stops the bullies from being bullies? And says to them no more?1:10:15 I think that relies definitely on individual journalists. And certainly there are many, many of them with very high morals definitely a sense of pride in their craft. I mean, I certainly know a number of them. But I think that these people gravitate toward media outlets that are less prone to requesting crazier things. I mean, I'm thinking about specific people. If they were asked by their website, yes, you need to be the first one. If they were not sure about what they were saying. They simply would not do it again, let me give you again, not to speak super highly of my old employer, because I used to work there. But for instance, we would never let's say that we were going to be published tomorrow. And we were going to report on something minor to take place later tonight. For example, let's say that tonight, there was going to be concert, this is something very inconsequential. We couldn't write a concert was held yesterday, even though it stands to reason that tomorrow's news should say a concert was held yesterday, because it hadn't actually happened yet. What if it was canceled? What if there was a fire? What if there was an earthquake? What if there was something that stopped it, we would not even go up? We would not even venture to say that that was a fact, because it hadn't happened yet. And we did want to make sure that everything that we actually printed, was indeed accurate at its best we could I mean, of course, sometimes there were things that just slipped out of people's hands. But as far as humanly possible, we did make a commitment to that. And everything that was published went through so many sets of eyes, sorry, that you wouldn't even imagine there were tremendous controls in place. For instance, I was an editorial director. And to be honest, nobody made any decision alone at any level, nothing. Everything was first discussed in weekly meetings then discussed again, in several daily meetings, everything went to a number of sets of eyes from the reporter himself in a co editor than an editor than myself, then possibly director, ever there was so many filters sorry, that although that made us a little bit less nimble, as a smaller website, it guaranteed that I mean, any inaccuracy would be very rare. Whereas I think that in a situation like an understaffed website, you have a lot of things that make it easy for inaccuracies to slip by time, like I was mentioning just the time, the need for immediacy, the lack of other people supervise it not to say that always being micromanaged or being watched leads to anything good is not necessarily the case. But I do think that if you're the only person or there's only one person making decisions, it's possible that more inaccuracies might slip by, firstly, because everybody at a certain point develops a little blind spot is material that there, there might be something they're missing, it's very important to have somebody else, like what happened with a book and their editor, even if an author is very accomplished, they still need an editor just to see things that the original author might not have spotted. So I do think that filters and controls are important. Beyond that, just having a sense of responsibility, individual responsibility as a journalist and individual responsibility as the owner of a specific media outlet, and understanding what their purpose is, for example, you can build a news website with the sole purpose of informing in an unbiased way, and that's perfect. But he can also build a word website with the sole
Hi, i am here with Sandy Rodriguez. She is a former editor for Mexican newspaper Reforma, one of the most influential publications in Latin America. In this capacity, she interviewed numerous leaders and A-List celebrities, covered international fashion weeks and Hollywood press junkets, and took part in a prestigious fellowship program for international journalists sponsored by LG and Seoul National University in South Korea.JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Sandy Rodriguez 0:00 But I've had the experience of translating many books of many different styles. All of them have been bestsellers for one specific reason. So recently, publishing houses only request translations of best selling material. That's the only thing because of financial constraints. That's the only way that it can be done. So it's very, it's a very high level of responsibility for a translator, they need to do a very good job because this is a book that is known to be a bestseller, and it will it must become a bestseller in the language you're translating it into. But it becomes difficult in the sense there, it's not so much a language thing, but more of a tradition of writing or a writing style that is used in different cultures. In general, I would say that writing in English, be it business correspondence, a book, or even something as as extremely detailed as the Bible. I would say that overall it's a very straightforward language.
Hi i am here with Nelson L. Tressler, He is the Founder and CEO of IGOTSMARTER, a goal-achievement program and app created to help people succeed in every aspect of life. Despite his unbelievable difficult beginnings, Nelson rose to become a top commercial real estate agent and investor, completing well over $1 billion in transactionsCHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY NELSON FOR MORE INFOhttps://igotsmarter.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:08 Welcome to create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari grunted. Thank you so much for listening in. Remember to rate review, comment, like, subscribe, all those kinds of things so that we can start conversations and continue this on. Today with me. I have Nelson Tressler. And he is an interesting, interesting person has an amazing history. I'm going to let him kind of tell you a little bit about that. But he's the author of the unlucky sperm club, and founder and CEO of I got smarter. So just the two names alone tend to reveal themselves a little a little bit, but I'd like you to kind of explain to the audience what it is that made you in the author of the unlucky sperm club and and how you got smarter.Nelson tessler 1:02 Yeah, first of all, thanks for having me on. I really appreciate it. Yeah, I have quite the origin story. So my mom became pregnant with me when she was 15 years old. She was one of 15 children, her father was the local trash collector in a small town. And while she was pregnant with me, her father drove a car into the town square. And there, he spotted two police officers, he stuck a gun out the window and opened fire, killing one of the police officers and critically wounding another. My grandfather was eventually brought to stand trial, he was facing the death penalty. And during his trial, my mother testified to the jury that the reason that her father had shot and killed that police officer was that that police officer had raped her and she was now pregnant with his baby me. And that's kind of where it started. My grandfather's first trial ended in a hung jury, because of my mom's testimony, they took the death penalty off the table. But he was eventually found guilty and served the rest of his life more than 40 years behind bars, pretty much leaving behind, you know, his large family of 15 kids, my you know, including my mom, and now me in a small town to kind of deal with the circumstances of what had happened. You know, my story, you know, continues to get go on it apps, you know, it doesn't get any easier from there, you know, my mom eventually becomes 21 and starts to go to bars. And there, she finds a peach of a man, who eventually becomes my stepfather come to find out that he's an alcoholic, that he is physically and emotionally abusive to me and my mom on a daily basis, and having to deal with that situation. And I ended up going and living with my grandmother permanently. And for the first time in my life, you know, I kind of had that stable household. You know, even though you know, I'm living with my grandma, who, you know, some of her 15 children are still living at home. And, you know, my grandma's a saint, you know, she's raising five or six other cousins for whatever reasons. But for the first time, I kind of had a stable household to live in, you know, there was no alcohol, there was no abuse. And even though education wasn't a huge priority, my grandma at least expected that you were going to go to school, probably for her sanity, you know, to get rid of some kids for a few hours in the day. But for that first time I was, I was able to kind of really start to reflect upon my life and what direction it was going. And I remember, you know, one time I was in the seventh grade, and a counselor came from the local university, to talk to us about what we needed to do to get into college, and kind of the bells and whistles went off in my head. And I thought to myself, you know, what, if, if I could be, you know, if I could graduate from college, maybe I could change the direction My life was headed. And, you know, anytime you put those thoughts in your head that you want to do something different or something that is going to be difficult, you know, that voice in the back of your head starts screaming at you all the reasons that you can't do it. And I remember thinking, well, you're going to try to be you know, graduated from college, you know, no one in my extended family had ever gone to college. Only two people had ever even graduated from high school from my mom's family. And here I am, I'm in special ed, I can't read I can't write I can't spell. And I'm talking about going to college. And but, you know, I didn't listen to those voices. My life was not where I wanted it to be. And I thought if I could do this if I could accomplish this goal, that I really could change the direction of my life and eventually, you know, the life that I was going to give my future family. flashforward, you know, 12 years later, four different colleges four years in the Air Force, I finally became that first person in my family to graduate from college.Ari Gronich 5:22 Wow, congratulations, this is a it's a it's a tremendous story to begin with. What were some of the things that youth feel are different about you and your mindset than some of the other people who have experienced similarly difficult beginnings and, and yet, you know, they're still in that spot of wanting to have hope they're still living, right. So they still have at least a smidgen of of hope. And if you're talking directly to them, they're in the audience. If you're direct directing these comments to them specifically, what do you think was the difference maker in in you, that allowed you to gain that kind of shift and change and pivot?Nelson tessler 6:28 Yeah, well, I think there's a few things. I mean, the one thing I, I've always had that long term perspective, I've always looked into the future and really wanted, wanted to kind of realize where I was heading. And I knew the future was coming. And, you know, I also always knew that I was in charge of my ship that that I was the captain of my ship. And, you know, you hear that saying, you can't control the winds. But you can absolutely control the way that you set your sails. And I think so many people want to assign their problems, and, you know, their heart aches upon other people or other things, or what's going on in the world. And as soon as you assign your problems to somebody else, or something else, you lose all control. And I think one of the things that has helped me in my life is I've taken control for everything. And I've absolutely taken control for my own success. And as soon as I've done that, then I'm in control. And, you know, there's, there's bad things that happen, you know, you know, it hasn't been a smooth ride. But when you're in control, you can overcome that stuff that pops up. But as soon as you start blaming it on somebody else, or something else, you give away that control.Ari Gronich 7:52 Yeah, you know, it's interesting, because the premise of the show is kind of the world sucks the systems that we're living under suck. We've created these systems, I my saying is we made this shit up, and we can make it up better. And how do we then activate our visions for a better world. And it sounds to me like, the number one thing that you've done is taken personal responsibility for the world around you. And instead of assigning the responsibility to the world around you, to heal or fix you, and that's a really interesting perspective, because it takes away that ability to be a victim. And it gives you the ability to be a victor. But what do you say to the people who really like being a victim? And and really, you know, like, that's where they're getting their juice, and they don't see that they can get the juice from the other from that Victor versus victim?Nelson tessler 8:57 Yeah, I mean, you touched on my book, and the subtitle to that is you're not a victim of your circumstances, you're a product of your choices. That's what I would say is, and you talk about, you talk about changing the world or the world around us. But you know, what, if you focus on your own world, and changing your own world, you don't need to change everything else that's out there affecting everything else. I mean, I can only control the things that I can control. And I think a lot of times is people want to change, you know, they want to change try to stop the waves of the ocean. But you know, what, what they really need to focus on is changing themselves.Ari Gronich 9:39 Let's go get into some, some techniques, some some of the minutiae of what you talked about in your book because I don't like to just kind of throw out the phrases and throw out the theories and the concepts I like to give the audience things that they can do and actionable things that They can do. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna use me as an example. So that I'm going to let you kind of refer back to this particular thing. So, my entire life, there's been parts of me that have felt like I'm a burden. Right? So as I did, and, and abused, and you know, growing up, I had medical conditions. So people, you know, my family needed, needed to take care of me a little bit differently than, say, my brother who didn't have all those issues, right? So he may not have that same feeling of, I'm a burden. And so therefore, I can't ask for help, therefore, I can't do this, right. You know, those, there are things that, that were in my life were out of bounds, so to speak, like asking for help, I had to do everything myself, I have, you know, it's like, those kinds of issues. I know a lot of people have that. But they also have others. So why don't you just talk to that a little bit, and then how in your book, you kind of, and I don't normally promote somebody's book. But I am going to give you the opportunity to explain the techniques, the tips and tricks that are in there that help people get through whatever it is that they're going through, and hopefully non conceptually, more of, like actionable kinds of thing. Yeah.Nelson tessler 11:32 Well, thank you, I mean, that one of the biggest things that ever changed my world and my outlook on life, is the concept of things only have the meaning that you're willing to give them. And I mean, that hit me like a ton of bricks, is you get to give meaning to everything that happens to you in this world. And when you get to give meaning to everything, why on earth? Would you ever give anything a negative meaning, and I know, I know, I've lived through some horrible things and some horrible circumstances in my childhood and in my, you know, adult life. But what I found is when you dig deep enough and hard enough, and like I said before, if you're really looking for something good, or what I can learn about this, or how can I use this to, you know, get me to where I want to go, you'll find something, you'll find something in there, you know, you get to tell your own your own story. So you get to tell yourself what this means to you. And as soon as you start assigning good things to think, you know, you know, supposedly bad things that happened to you, as soon as you start to see the good and those things and give it a positive meaning. That's when you start to, you know, create good energy from it.Ari Gronich 12:52 Awesome. Thank you so much for being here, Nelson, I really appreciate it. I know the audience has gotten a lot out of this, if not just you know, the success from beginnings that you've created in your life, and the fact that you've turned it into a purpose to help other people do the same thing. That's just, it's an amazing thing. How can people get ahold of you? Where can they find you? And I do want to promote your book and your your app? So why don't you tell them what that is? Just a little bit about it? And how they can find it. AndNelson tessler 13:29 sure, yeah, thank you. Um, you can go to Nelson Trusler calm, everything is there. My book, The on lucky sperm club, you're not a victim of your circumstances. But a product of your choices is available everywhere books are sold, Amazon's probably the easiest place to get it. And then the app is called the I got smarter app. And it is on all the app sites. And you can download it. And right now we're giving away 30 free days. So that you can try it out and make sure it's for you. And then it's only you know, 999 thereafter. I mean, there's no excuses. If you want to change your life and you want help doing it and a plan to do it. That app is that's why I started that app.Ari Gronich 14:11 Yes. So just give me a little bit more on the app and what its function is so that sure, we'll go there. They know what they're going there for.Nelson tessler 14:21 Yeah, so that the app is a goal fulfillment program. It's everything that I've learned over the last 25 years that I've you know, been a goal and personal development junkie, but you know, there's your crystal clear, you do a self assessment to make sure you know what your goals are going to be. And then there's all the concepts and the theories that I've used. I mean, you know, we have a morning ritual to where you're giving gratitude, you're grateful for the circumstances you're in, you're not satisfied, but you're grateful and you're learning personal development strategies throughout the app. you review your goals every single day, you know, we only work on three goals at a time and you know, So but you're designing what you're going to do that day, and the app automatically populates your task list through this morning ritual. So when you're finished, that you've got a list of the things that you need to do specific to your goal, the most important thing of the day, you know, all those things. So there's never a day if you do your morning ritual that you don't know what you need to do to accomplish your goals. And then the app, you know, has an evening ritual where you're reflecting upon your day, what worked, what didn't work, you know, what did you learn from it? What were your biggest successes, and like I touched on before, you know, the secret sauce is that opportunity to work with a success partner who's also trying to achieve their goals, and support and encourage each other through the app real time, so that you actually see your goals through to the end.Ari Gronich 15:51 Awesome. Thank you so much for being here. And I know the audience is going to get a lot from that and from from listening to this episode. So thank you again. This has been another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host, Ari gron edge and just wanted to remind you about the mastermind program that we're getting ready to launch if you're interested in it, you're more than welcome to message me comment to me, you know, anywhere below the videos that are going to be here or on the podcast pages. 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Hi i am here with Nelson L. Tressler, He is the Founder and CEO of IGOTSMARTER, a goal-achievement program and app created to help people succeed in every aspect of life. Despite his unbelievable difficult beginnings, Nelson rose to become a top commercial real estate agent and investor, completing well over $1 billion in transactionsCHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY NELSON FOR MORE INFOhttps://igotsmarter.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:00 Has it occurred to you that the systems we live by are not designed to get results? We pay for procedures instead of outcomes, focusing on emergencies rather than preventing disease and living a healthy lifestyle. For over 25 years, I've taken care of Olympians Paralympians a list actors in fortune 1000 companies decide not get results, they did not get results. I realized that while powerful people who control the system want to keep the status quo, if I were to educate the masses, you would demand change. So I'm taking the gloves off and going after the systems as they are joining me on my mission to create a new tomorrow as I chat with industry experts, elite athletes, thought leaders and government officials about how we activate our vision for a better world. We may agree, and we may disagree, but I'm not backing down. I'm Ari, Gronich, and this is create a new tomorrow podcast.Welcome to create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. Thank you so much for listening in. Remember to rate review, COMMENT, LIKE subscribe, all those kinds of things so that we can start conversations and continue this on. Today with me, I have Nelson Tressler, and he is an interesting, interesting person has an amazing history. I'm gonna let him kind of tell you a little bit about that. But he's the author of the unlucky sperm club, and founder and CEO of I got smarter. So just the two names alone tend to reveal themselves a little a little bit, but I'd like you to kind of explain to the audience what it is that made you in the author of the unlucky sperm club and and how you got smarter.Nelson tessler 1:59 Yeah, first of all, thanks for having me on. I really appreciate it. Yeah, I have quite the origin story. So my mom became pregnant with me when she was 15 years old. She was one of 15 children, her father was the local trash collector in a small town. And while she was pregnant with me, her father drove a car into the town square. And there, he spotted two police officers, he stuck a gun out the window and open fire, killing one of the police officers and critically wounding another. My grandfather was eventually brought to stand trial, he was facing the death penalty. And during his trial, my mother testified to the jury that the reason that her father had shot and killed that police officer was that that police officer had raped her and she was now pregnant with his baby me. And that's kind of where it started. My grandfather's first trial ended in a hung jury, because of my mom's testimony, they took the death penalty off the table. But he was eventually found guilty and served the rest of his life more than 40 years behind bars, pretty much leaving behind, you know, his large family of 15 kids, my you know, including my mom, and now me in a small town that kind of deal with the circumstances of what had happened. You know, my story, you know, continues to get go on it apps, you know, it doesn't get any easier from there. You know, my mom eventually becomes 21 and starts to go to bars. And there she finds a peach of a man who eventually becomes my stepfather come to find out that he's an alcoholic, that he is physically and emotionally abusive to me and my mom on a daily basis, and having to deal with that situation. Eventually, my mom has four more children. And because of the lifestyle that's being lived in my home, a lot of the caring for, you know, basic needs for my brother and sister fall upon me. And that has a dramatic effect upon you know, my social life in my schooling life.I remember looking down at my report card when I was in the fourth grade, excited to see who I'd have for fifth grade and seeing that I had strayed. So my report card and that I'd be repeating the fourth grade. I was placed into special education, you know, I couldn't read couldn't write I still can't spell and eventually, you know, Flash forward. My stepfather was walking home drunk from a bar one night, and there was somebody else driving home drunk from that bar. They ended up hitting and killing him. It was at this time that my mom now has five children. She had dropped out of school in the eighth grade. never worked outside of the home. And as roughest her life has been to this point, losing my stepfather was really, you know, left her with no hope. And it was at this time that she decided that she was going to take her own life. And fortunately, she was not successful. But she was placed in on a psychiatric cold. And at this time, my family got split up among other family members to go live with him, I went to go stay with my grandmother, who is the wife of the man shot and killed the police officer. And it was, my mom eventually recovered and got out of the hospital. But it was at this time that she decided she wasn't going to be able to care for all of us. And I ended up going and living with my grandmother permanently. And for the first time in my life, you know, I kind of had that stable household, you know, even though you know, I'm living with my grandma, who, you know, some of her 15 children are still living at home. And, you know, my grandma's a saint, you know, she's raising five or six other cousins for whatever reasons, but for the first time, I kind of had a stable household to live in, you know, there was no alcohol, there was no abuse. And even though education wasn't a huge priority, my grandma at least expected that you were going to go to school, probably for her sanity, you know, to get rid of some kids for a few hours in the day. But for that first time I was, I was able to kind of really start to reflect upon my life, and what direction it was going. And I remember, you know, one time I was in the seventh grade, and a counselor came from the local university, to talk to us about what we needed to do to get into college, and kind of the bells and whistles went off in my head. And I thought to myself, you know, what, if, if I could be, you know, if I could graduate from college, maybe I could change the direction My life was headed. And, you know, anytime you put those thoughts in your head, that you want to do something different, or something that is going to be difficult, you know, that voice in the back of your head starts screaming at you all the reasons that you can't do it. And I remember thinking, well, you're going to try to be you know, graduate from college, you know, no one in my extended family had ever gone to college, only two people had ever even graduated from high school from my mom's family. And here I am, I'm in special ed, I can't read, I can't write, I can't spell. And I'm talking about going to college. And but, you know, I didn't listen to those voices. My life was not where I wanted it to be. And I thought if I could do this, if I could accomplish this goal, that I really could change the direction of my life, and eventually, you know, the life that I was going to give my future family. flashforward, you know, 12 years later, four different colleges four years in the Air Force, I finally became that first person in my family to graduate from college.Ari Gronich 8:03 Wow, congratulations. This is a it's a it's a tremendous story to begin with. What were some of the things that youth feel are different about you and your mindset than some of the other people who have experienced similarly difficult beginnings and, and yet, you know, they're still in that spot of wanting to have hope they're still living, right. So they still have at least a smidgen of of hope. And if you're talking directly to them, they're in the audience. If you're direct directing these comments to them specifically, what do you think was the difference maker in in you, that allowed you to gain that kind of shift and change and pivot?Nelson tessler 9:09 Yeah. Well, I think there's a few things. I mean, the one thing I I've always had that long term perspective, I've always looked into the future and really wanted, wanted to kind of realize where I was heading. And I knew the future was coming. And, you know, I also always knew that I was in charge of my ship that that I was the captain of my ship. And, you know, you hear that saying, you can't control the winds. But you can absolutely control the way that you set your sails. And I think so many people want to assign their problems and, you know, their heart aches upon other people or other things or what's going on in the world. And as soon as you assign your problems to somebody else or something else, you lose all control and I think one of the things that has helped me in my life is I've taken control for everything. And I've absolutely taken control for my own success. And as soon as I've done that, then I'm in control. And, you know, there's, there's bad things that happen, you know, you know, it hasn't been a smooth ride. But when you're in control, you can overcome that stuff that pops up. But as soon as you start blaming it on somebody else, or something else, you give away that control. And now the only way that things get better is if they change or the economy changes, or whatever, you've given control to changes, and then you're helpless, just sitting there hoping that somebody is going to change it for you.Ari Gronich 10:47 Yeah, you know, it's interesting, because the premise of the show is kind of the world sucks the systems that we're living under suck. We've created these systems, I my saying is we made this shit up, and we can make it up better. And how do we then activate our visions for a better world. And it sounds to me like, the number one thing that you've done is taken personal responsibility for the world around you. And instead of assigning the responsibility to the world around you, to heal or fix you, and that's a really interesting perspective, because it takes away that ability to be a victim. And it gives you the ability to be a victor. But what do you say to the people who really like being a victim? And and really, you know, like, that's where they're getting their juice, and they don't see that they can get the juice from the other from that Victor versus victim?Nelson tessler 11:52 Yeah, I mean, you touched on my book, and the subtitle to that is, you're not a victim of your circumstances, you're a product of your choices. That's what I would say is, and you talk about, you talk about changing the world or the world around us. But you know, what, if you focus on your own world, and changing your own world, you don't need to change everything else that's out there affecting everything else. I mean, I can only control the things that I can control. And I think a lot of times is people want to change, you know, they want to change, try to stop the waves of the ocean. But you know, what, what they really need to focus on is changing themselves. And when you start to really focus on yourself and changing your world, that's when the world will change. Because the only thing that you're in control of is you, you can't control these other things. And as soon as you start changing your world, and start changing your mindset, and changing your attitude, that's when the world starts to change for you. Because we all live in the same world. But we all don't look at the world the same way. And if we're, you know, we're going to find what we're looking for, you know, if we're looking for everything that's wrong in the world, or everything that's wrong with the people around us, guess what you're gonna find it. But if you're looking for everything that's good in the world, and the good things about the people that you surround yourself with, you'll find that as well.Ari Gronich 13:24 Awesome. So let's go get into some, some techniques, some some of the minutiae of what you talk about in your book, because I don't like to just kind of throw out the phrases and throw out the theories and the concepts I like to give the audience things that they can do, and actionable things that they can do. And I'm going to, I'm going to use me as an example. So that I'm going to let you kind of refer back to this particular thing. So my entire life, there's been parts of me that have felt like I'm a burden. Right? So as I did, and, and abused, and you know, growing up, I had medical conditions. So Pete, you know, my family needed, needed to take care of me a little bit differently than, say, my brother who didn't have all those issues, right? So he may not have that same feeling of, I'm a burden. And so therefore, I can't ask for help. Therefore, I can't do this, right. You know, those, there are things that that were in my life were out of bounds, so to speak, like asking for help. I had to do everything myself. I have, you know, it's like those kinds of issues. I know a lot of people have that, but they also have others. So why don't you just talk to that a little bit and then how in your book you kind of and I don't normally promote somebody's book, but I am going to give you the opportunity to explain the techniques, the tips and tricks that are in there that help people get through whatever it is that they're going through, and hopefully non conceptually more of like actionable kinds of things. Yeah.Nelson tessler 15:19 Well, thank you, I mean, that one of the biggest things that ever changed my world and my outlook on life, is the concept of things only have the meaning that you're willing to give them. And I mean, that hit me like a ton of bricks, is you get to give meaning to everything that happens to you in this world. And when you get to give meaning to everything, why on earth? Would you ever give anything a negative meaning, and I know, I know, I've lived through some horrible things and some horrible circumstances in my childhood and in my, you know, adult life. But what I found is when you dig deep enough and hard enough, and like I said before, if you're really looking for something good, or what I can learn about this, or how can I use this to, you know, get me to where I want to go, you'll find something, you'll find something in there, you know, you get to tell your own your own story. So you get to tell yourself what this means to you. And as soon as you start assigning good things to think, you know, you know, supposedly bad things that happen to you, as soon as you start to see the good and those things and give it a positive meaning. That's when you start to, you know, create, get energy from it. And, you know, I told you guys my origin story, and that used to drain me that used to weaken me, I ran, I literally ran across the country to get away from everything that that story represented to me. And for the last, you know, 1718 years, nobody knew about that story, except my wife, my kids didn't know about it, my friends didn't know about it, my coat, nobody, because I was running from it. But then I decided, you know, what, that happened to me for a reason. You know, all those things happened to me for a reason. And then I started to say, you know, what, what if I could share that story, what if people could would hear this story and get inspiration and motivation to take control their own lives, and all of a sudden, I gave those circumstances in my life a positive meaning. And now, you know, instead of it draining Me and Me hiding from it, now it strengthens me and I and I am get fired up whenever I talk about this story. Because I know that there are people out there who are going to hear my story. And they're going to realize that you know, they are not, you know, a victim of circumstances, they're a product of the choices, and all they have to do is start taking control of it, start giving these negative things, a positive meaning in their lives. And it will make all the difference to them. It soundsAri Gronich 18:05 like like, from pain to purpose is you know, a distill it of what you just said, right? You take the pain and you turn it into a purpose. So in my life, you know, I do a lot of work with athletes who are injured with emotional release work with I've worked a lot with vets and PTSD, because of the experiences that I had growing up. So I turned my pain into purpose. And that allows me to and it may be a slow, maybe a slow healing, but it allows me to heal me as I turn that purpose on to other people. And, and it's kind of interesting that that you've stated that, you know, I feel like everybody needs to turn their pain into a purpose and then act on it. So that's the next step is now that they have that purpose now that that pain is rewired in their head. Have this happened for me and not to me, then lovely. Yeah.Nelson tessler 19:17 Yeah. No, and I mean, the one thing that you think a pain, you think, well pains there, it can be there to help us right. If you get too close to a fire or, you know, something that pain, you know, lets you know, Hey, get back. And again, it's it's the meaning that you're willing to give it and it's not that the pains not there. It's that you're giving it a different meaning you're giving it a positive spin, you're giving it you know, a meaning to where it's going to motivate you to help others who are maybe going through that and look at it a little bit differently. It doesn't take it away. It doesn't take away all the bad things that have happened to you. It It's just, you know, I love that you said, you know, this isn't happening to you, it's happening for you. And when you start to look at things that way is like, Why is this here? Why is this here? What is it here to show me teach me, help me strengthen me, when you start to look at it that way, then you gain energy from it you gained, you know, a way to bring it into your life and really, you know, propel your success as opposed to, you know, shackling you to, you know, a bad situation that, you know, is going to kind of keep you tethered, where you are right now.Ari Gronich 20:39 Yeah, you know, it's funny, Jim Rohn I like to kind of quote Jim Rohn a bit and Buckminster Fuller was the inspiration for the book a new tomorrow. And you know, Bucky already,Nelson tessler 20:51 I think you've froze, can you hear me?Ari Gronich 20:53 I can hear you. Yeah, I can hear you.Nelson tessler 20:56 Okay, great.Ari Gronich 20:57 We can always pause because the editor can, you know, take out stuff. So. Okay, so, editor, take out the blanks in the phrasings. What was I saying?Nelson tessler 21:13 Jim Rohn,Ari Gronich 21:14 Jim Rohn, Jim Rohn, Buckminster Fuller. So Bucky, who was one of the inspirations for the book, a new tomorrow, found himself in his late 20s, at the edge of the Detroit Lake, I guess, and Michigan, and he was about to walk in and kill himself. And something said to him while he was knee deep in water, no, not the right thing to do. And he ended up turning that pain into a purpose. He became one of the greatest thought leaders of the last century, created the geodesic dome, I mean, just he contributed a massive amount to society. And as I was saying, Jim Rohn, who says things like, you can't change the wind, don't change the rain, don't change the sunshine. Yep. And you learn to change yourself. Everything gets better. And this is obviously a paraphrase of what Jim Rohn says, but the other part of what what he talks about is that kind of mentality is, he'll say, in the first five years of my career, I was penniless and broke and working really hard. And the next five years ago, five years, I became a millionaire. And he says, do that, you know, he asks kind of satirically, do the next five years have to be like the previous five years, no, because we are humans, and we can change the course of our lives forever by making different decisions. And he says the number one thing that he did is worked on himself, and not his business, he worked on himself. And that is what made the difference in his business and in his entire life to where he could become this very sought after consultant, speaker and so on. So it sounds kind of like similar to what you're saying. So Well, yeah,Nelson tessler 23:31 I love Jim Rohn. Yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry.Ari Gronich 23:34 Let's get back into that somebody wants to change themselves. Where would you say that they should start?Nelson tessler 23:42 Right where they're at. I mean, that's where we all have to start. And I think a lot of people want to be in a certain situation, or wait for a certain time. You know, wait next week, next month, next year, whatever. But start right where you're at. You know, that one of my other favorite quotes is, we don't necessarily have a knowledge problem, we know what we need to do, we have an execution problem, we just don't do what we know we need to do when we need to do it. And, you know, start where you're at. And, you know, you know what, that one thing that you can do, no matter how small it is, just do it. And it's kind of like walking through a thick cloud of fog, you really can't see too far ahead of you until you take one step. And then all of a sudden, you can see one more step in front of you. And we can't let that wall of fog stop us because we we don't see what's beyond it. What when you will see beyond it is as you continue to take those small steps. And you start to see a little further and a little further and a little further. So start exactly where you're at. And you know, again, you don't have a knowledge problem. You have an execution problem. You're just not following through with what you need to know. If you if you really do feel like you have a knowledge problem, go to Google, and you'll have a billion results in less than a second. Pick one of those things and just start working on it now.Ari Gronich 25:12 Yeah, so you know that we I call it Dr. Google these days, because that's how people are finding out about medicine. Yeah. You know, if I, if I were to get a billion results, asking, you know, how do I change my life today? What would be some specific phrases that you might want to use to narrow down the search? Because people are going to get a billion responses with a billion different ideas? Yeah. And so I, you know, the suggestion that I have, and I would ask you this is, what do we choose? I'm overwhelmed. There's too many choices.Nelson tessler 25:54 Yeah. Well, I mean, you touched on it. And, and I use a lot of Jim roans, theories and thoughts. I've loved him for 20 years. So you'll see a lot of that stuff and my stuff. But working on yourself is absolutely the place to start. I mean, Jim Rohn is exactly right. I mean, if, if you want something better, you need to become better. And I've, I've used goals in every area of my life. I mean, I became obsessed after you know, graduating from college, I became obsessed with goals and personal development, and really thinking about, you know, the version of myself that I had been, and then act, actually realizing that, you know, this version of me is not necessarily the version of me, that needs to continue, that I could get better that I could figure out things in. And as I worked on myself, you know, all of a sudden, the things that you want, actually start to come to you because you're becoming that person that can realize those goals. So where I would tell people to start is get crystal clear on what you want, like, know exactly what you want in your life, know, know what that is, and then be crystal clear on what it's going to take to achieve it. And then pick small steps and start working on it every single day. And there's, you're going to struggle, you're going to fall down, you're going to forget about it for a day or a week, or maybe even a month, but then get back up and keep going. Because time is our most precious resource. I mean, there's nothing we can ever do to get a second of it back. So I mean, I try to live my life where I don't waste any time. And I give time that reverence that it is I mean, without it, there's nothing we can do. So use it. It's, you know, times the great equalizer to everybody gets the same 24 hours in a day. It's it depends on what you're willing to do with it. That's gonna make or you know, make your life the way that your life ends up being.Ari Gronich 27:59 Yeah, absolutely. I'm going to pause for a second. So hold on one second, I'm just going to pause the recording, please at my door. All right. So I wanted to start somewhere, you. I think that from what you said, start with the goal, I want to take it a step back. And my suggestion is to start where you're at meaning to write down every single thing that you feel good, bad, ugly, about yourself about where you're at, and get really clear, crystal clear, like you said, on where you are, and in place where you want to go, and what is stopping you in the middle, right? So where's the barrier between where you want to be and where you are now. But I feel like if if people start just with the goal, then they may not get to the things that are stopping them. Because they're there, they're not going to identify those things. So that would be the only caveat I would say to what you were you were talking about is that you might want to start with just writing a list. Here's where I'm at, here's my history, and get it down on paper. Because it's going to be your origin story, kind of like you have for when you are in a completely different space. So it's going to be the thing that inspires you. It's going to be the thing that moves you forward. It's going to be the thing that is going to allow others to really connect with you as you're moving towards those goals.Nelson tessler 29:52 Yeah, and I couldn't agree with you more. I mean, you know, not to promote my program, but I got smarter. The Oh, and I got smarter, you know, stands for the obstacles that you're going to run into. And we all kind of know what, where our struggles are and, and what's going to happen that could kind of knock us off, you know, reaching our goals. So it's so important to kind of write out those obstacles before you come to them. So that when you do come to them, you know, exactly, oh, here's this obstacle, you know, I knew this was going to happen. And here's what I said I was going to do when it popped up. And now you don't have to kind of rethink it, or, you know, be shocked that all of a sudden, this popped up, but you know, it's like watching that horror movie, you know, for the first time, it's gonna, you know, somebody pops out and scares you, you know, it's gonna scare you and kind of knock you off your game. But if you've watched that movie five times, and you know, this is the scene that's gonna pop up and scare you, you're, it's not going to affect you the same way. It's the same thought process is, I know, this obstacle is going to come You know, whatever it is, and, and here's how I'm going to overcome it when it does come.Ari Gronich 31:03 Yeah, the other thing that that I, I would just kind of just popped in my head, as you're, as you're saying, that is journaling on a regular basis, and saying to yourself writing in here, I had this reaction to this person's doing this thing, or this thing's doing this thing. And this was the reaction and then try to trace back to where you first had that reaction, or why you might have had that reaction, because that would at least give you a little more clarity on where it is that you're, you're tending to be in reaction versus response, and, you know, and so on, but that was just something that like said, It popped up when you were as you were saying that, but try to write down. Here's what happened as a fact, like, my car's tire got got a nail in it, for instance. Yeah, I reacted, like why me? This is always happening to me. And then what is it that caused that reaction in you instead of Hey, I Oh, I needed a new tire. I mean, this is perfect opportunity. Right? You can see it those different ways.Nelson tessler 32:19 Yeah. I mean, the gold program, you know, that that I've touched on, it has that journal every night, your your journaling, and every night you're having, you know, our evening ritual is reflecting upon what happened in the day. And, you know, what went well, what didn't go well, and how you reacted, I mean, it's all about being very mindful of what's going on in your life. And that way, when you're mindful when, when you know what's going on, when you know what's happened, when you know what you you know how you reacted to it, then you can take steps to really react in a way that's going to fulfill your goals, as opposed to, if you're just kind of going through life without purpose, and without really reflecting upon what's going on, all of a sudden, you wake up, and it's 10 years later, and you're like, crap, you know, I thought I would be so much further ahead, I thought I would be here, I thought I would be there. Because, you know, you weren't, you weren't really living life with purpose, you weren't reflecting upon your life each day and realizing that, you know, things are happening to me, and I have control of them.Ari Gronich 33:28 Right. So, you know, listening to you and like, think about for the audience, think about a boat that is floating out to sea, and it has no one at the helm. So the rudder is just kind of moving you every which way with the waves, right? And then imagine that you have the GPS and you have it set to course. You still have to set and reset and assess, are you on course, but at least you have a trajectory of where you're going to go. I think that the like planes are almost like 80% off course for their entire flight. But because they have that trajectory of this is where I'm going. They always know how to get back on course. And if you don't have that trajectory, there's no course so you can arrive at an undesigned destination. This is another Jim Rohn or a well designed destination. And the idea is that we're going to arrive at well designed destinations because that's what we plug into our GPS.Nelson tessler 34:42 Yeah, I mean, that's a great analogy. I mean, you can just kind of be thrown from wave to wave you know, as you live your life or you can have that crystal clear destination that you want to reach. And just like you said, I mean with an airplane, you might fall A course or things might not go the way that you want them to. And it's, you know, if you want to get to a certain area in your life, you're going to have to make course corrections. And that's the great thing when you have concrete goals is that you can make those course corrections. But if you don't know where you're going, if you don't know what your goals are, it's impossible to make a course correction, when you don't know where you're going. And that's what goals do for you is they give you that destination. This is where I want to be this is when I want to be there. This is why I want to be there. And now all of a sudden, as the world tosses, you, and you have those ebbs and flows in your life, you can make those course corrections, whether there's very small ones, or they're big ones, but you're going to end up there, no matter how much you were off course, on your journey, you're eventually going to make it there if you don't quit. Right, soAri Gronich 35:54 let me ask you this. You mentioned in your history, four years of Air Force, so I just want to know how that influenced this kind of part of your thinking. And, and what you what you are, the benefits of your experience in the airforce gave you towards making this, you know, next journey in your life?Nelson tessler 36:19 Yeah, I mean, the Air Force checked a lot of boxes for me. I mean, the reason that I joined the Air Force was I, you know, I went to I went away to college, to I played football. And but I couldn't afford to go back, you know, I got a couple bills in the mail and wasn't able to, to pay them. And, you know, I knew what I wanted, I wanted a college degree. And so I had to figure out a way to pay for it. And the Air Force was kind of that way the GI Bill. But the Air Force also checked the box that got me out of that small town that I was in to where I had so much baggage and represented, you know, so much stuff that I had to overcome. So when I joined the Air Force, I figured out how to get money for school, and then it got me away from that town. And all of a sudden, what I realized is I could be anybody that I wanted to be because there was no more, you know, that kid, you know, who was involved in all that stuff, I literally could be come Nelson, nobody, I could become whoever I wanted to be. So there was that. And then, you know, the Air Force taught me so many things. I mean, it taught you discipline, it taught you responsibility, you know, it opened your eyes to contrast, like a whole big world out there, you know, I was over in Saudi Arabia, and got to see how those cultures lived in over in Turkey and see how that culture live. So the Air Force was, you know, definitely a great decision for me, and definitely changed the direction of my life and gave me a lot of tools and knowledge that, you know, I eventually ended up using and continue to use to this day.Ari Gronich 38:00 So when you were overseas and experiencing these different cultures, especially in kind of war torn countries, what was your experience of, of the people there and how they dealt with the the kind of stresses of life that that war? And obviously, there's a little more control from the society? You know, yeah, that kind of thing.Nelson tessler 38:31 Yeah, I mean, it was eye opening, because, you know, I'm this, you know, I'm this young guy from a small little town, and haven't been exposed to a lot of stuff. And then you go over to Saudi Arabia, and you see, you know, the way that women have to dress and act and, you know, I remember being in a convenience store and walking down an aisle and, you know, there were these women in their black robes, you know, with only the slit in their eyes showing and, and as soon as I walked into that aisle, they literally ran for me, and you know, come to find out that they they can be nowhere near another man or let alone a US servicemen. So, you know, that that was eye opening to me, you know, the different ways that you know, people were treated. And, you know, when I went to Turkey, you know, a lot of poverty in Turkey. And, you know, I would see young boys, you know, literally 567 years old, who were orphans, you know, out there begging on the street for survival to get food to, to eat another day. And believe me, I mean, that was a slap in the face, you know, because I was probably still in a little bit of victim mode and thinking about my childhood and what I had to deal with and, you know, to see these guys, it kind of put me in my place and you always realize that no matter what situation you're in, there is always somebody praying to be in your exact situation. Because as bad as you know, as bad as our situation is so kind of having that mindset. So, yeah, I learned all that stuff. And I think the biggest thing was contrast. You know, it gave me that contrast of the life that I was living, to the things that were out there, in contrast, can help you in so many different ways. I mean, it can help you to show you that there's a lot worse things out there. But it also can show you that there's a lot better things out there that maybe you can strive to, to realize those things. So contrast is a great thing in your life.Ari Gronich 40:35 It's awesome. That's awesome. What What kinds of things do you suggest nowadays, like that you might have not suggested 10 years ago that you've learned in the last 10 years about yourself and about how to do what you're what you're doing, which is changing the world. So how can you take that focus of I've been here, I'm now here, and I'm going there. And make it concrete? For people?Nelson tessler 41:11 Yeah, I mean, that I think the biggest thing is to do it. I mean, you know, we talked a little bit about being clear on what your vision is, I mean, you can't really reach a destination, if you're not clear where you want to go. So that's, that's the first step is to sit down and really figure out what you want to do with your life, what direction you want your life to go, and make that crystal clear. And then figure out why you want that and make sure that it's a strong why. And then, you know, setting out and just starting, I mean, there's so many people that want to wait until all the traffic lights are green before they start on their journey. And that never happens. I mean, you know, it's kind of a paralysis by analysis, if you've ever heard that where people, you know, they sit there and they want to make sure that all the T's are crossed, and the i's are dotted. And you know, I'm in the exact right situation to start this. Don't do it. You know what, take that first step, you know where you want to go, you know why you want to go there, take that first step and start don't wait. Because there are so many people that are just sitting back waiting for that perfect situation, to start doing what they want to do. And I just wrote about this today. I mean, today is pretend you are a time traveler day. And, you know, one of the things that that I kind of thought of when I saw that was Somebody once told me the definition of Hell is when the person that you could have became, in this life meets the person that you did become. And that's the definition of hell. And I think we're all going to end up there one day, we're all going to end up at the end of our lives, and we're going to look back, and you know, we all hear it. You know, your so many people are there, they don't have regrets over what they did. They have regrets over what they didn't do. And you know, we're all going to have a life with some regrets. But, you know, try not to have that regret that you are afraid to go after your goals and your dreams.Ari Gronich 43:23 Yeah, so let's see. Ready, fire. Aim, Aim. Fire ready?Nelson tessler 43:27 That's my motto right there, baby. Ready?Ari Gronich 43:32 Which one? Is it? Fire aim? Ready?Nelson tessler 43:34 It's ready fire aim.Ari Gronich 43:36 Okay. So, you know, some people will say the opposite, which is fire, aim ready, or Aim Fire ready, at least so that you're getting at least the action moving and then you can get ready for what you just did. But yeah, you know, it's, it's, it's an interesting way of looking at it. Because if you're a perfectionist, you're going to ready, but you're going to ready and you're never going to fire and you're never going to aim because you're still trying to get ready. Yep. If if you're on that mid range, you might aim and then fire and then get ready. And if you're on the other side, you're gonna fire before you do anything aim and ready. And and, you know, the truth is I've had friends business, you know, in business that that were that fire, aim ready. And they would always do this spike, right? So because they did massive action, no matter what, they would have a spike of results, and then it would fall and then another spike of results and then it would fall because they at least got something out there. Instead of that analysis paralysis. Instead of That that need for perfection, I know I'm I have that need for perfection a bit in me, I want to make sure that the grammar is correct. And the commas are in the right place and that the words flow properly and all the spelling is proper. And, you know, I had somebody tell me once said, you know, proper spelling has has never made me money.Nelson tessler 45:25 Thank goodness for that, because I still can't spell.Ari Gronich 45:28 That's what you said at the beginning. And I wanted to latch on to that a little bit. So what what would you consider to be the biggest asset that somebody can can take from the words that you're using, from the things than the thoughts that you're saying, if somebody was listening to this and going, Okay, I'm kind of getting that I'm understanding what he's saying. But the execution side, I'm not really sure how to execute the concepts that are in my head. So if that's the biggest portion, that's that's needed to happen to get the results? How do you get somebody from concept to action?Nelson tessler 46:18 Well, I mean, what one of the things that I use in my program is a success partner, I mean, you might tell yourself, you want to do something, you might tell yourself, I'm going to do this every single day. And you might, but a lot of times, people who keep their goals to themselves, when something pops up, you know, they they fall short. But as soon as you introduce somebody else who knows about that goal, who knows what your dreams are, and what your plans are, now, all of a sudden, there's somebody else out there that you've told, you're going to do this, and in the back of your mind, you know, you don't want to let them down, you don't want them to see that you're going to fail. And, you know, that's kind of the secret sauce that I think is, you know, we call them success partners, because they're not there to hold us accountable. You know, you the only thing that you're doing it, accountability is you want to be accountable to do the things that you said, you're gonna do. And that's what this success partners there for. They're there to encourage you, to motivate you to know that you're not in this alone, and you're there to do the same for them. So you're both, you know, seeking and striving to achieve your goals. And it's that support system. And there's been studies out there that you're 95% more likely to achieve your goals or to do what you said you were going to do as soon as somebody else knows about them, and you have that kind of success partner in your corner. Okay, soAri Gronich 47:47 I'm going to caveat that as well. Because, you know, that's what I like to do. I'm a little I'm a little bit of a contract contrarian. So there's a theory that if you put something out that you're going to have the success be at a percentage higher, because you put the thing out there. And now you have to keep your word because you put it out there. There's another theory that says that you want to hold back on telling people because then you don't want to dissipate the energy that is going towards that goal. And then there's a yet another thing about the crab box, which is if you tell people where you're going, they're going to try to hold you down and hold you back, and you're going to create more obstacles. caveat that I'm putting forth is when you talk to somebody about what it is that you're doing. You need to make sure that you're telling the right person and the right people who aren't who are going to be the supportive people versus the people who are going to kind of be those crabs in the crab box holding you back and telling you all the reasons why not?Nelson tessler 49:08 Yeah, yeah. And I love that. I love the crab bucket, man. You know, I use that in my book. So, you know, I told with my family, I kind of use that to where I got accepted into college, and I got all kinds of mixed results where oh, you know, you know, or you can't even spell How the heck are you going to go to college? Or, you know, I guess they're letting anybody in the college who has a check, they better try cashing your check first. So I got all of that stuff. And, you know, I talked a little bit about why people act that way. But what again, we talked about that what meaning Are you going to give that I mean, you know what, tell me I can't do something, tell me that I'm not good enough, or I'm going to fail and I'm going to show you that. I'm going to I'm not only going to do it, I'm going to do it much, much better just to show you so what mindset are you bringing when Pete when you have those haters, and, you know, you got to understand what haters are, you know, a lot of times the haters, it has nothing to do with you or what you're doing it has to do with them and what they're doing. And when you kind of realize that, then it actually strengthens you, and it gives you fuel to reach your goals. And that's how I look at it. And as far as the other theories of keeping everything to yourself, you know what I can, I can kind of see how people can think that. I don't agree with it at all. I mean, I've done I've done it both ways in my life. And I mean, I've set goals, and no one's known who they are, I've written them all down. And no one knows when I when I've accomplished them, no one knows if I failed at them. But as soon as I kind of brought a group together, and everybody knew everybody's goals, and they knew what you were shooting for, all of a sudden, I knew I was going to have to see those people. And I knew they were going to ask me, hey, how's this going? And how's that going? And all of a sudden, now I'm just not responsible to myself, I'm responsible to them. And no one wants to no one wants to fail. And when there's somebody out there, who knows what you're working at, now, all of a sudden, there's somebody who, who knows if you're going to fail or not, and not in a bad way. I mean, these people don't want to see you fail, because they want you to be successful. And we can talk about surrounding yourself with like minded people and people who have your back and who are there to support you and understand that, you know, there's more than enough success out there in the universe to go around 100 times. And just because you're successful, doesn't mean that takes away from my pie of success. So there's all those different strategies and techniques and thoughts to think about as well.Ari Gronich 51:51 Yeah, absolutely. One of one of my, my guests. Bert Oliva is he's a mindset guy. He's been around 20 plus years does fire walks and, you know, glass walking and, and all those kinds of things, human human potential expert, and he says, you want to go out and you want to five, find five haters a day? Because if you're finding five haters, you're gonna find at least that or more who are supporters? Oh, yeah. Oh, the idea isn't to avoid the haters, it's to seek them out. Which is kind of like what I why I like doing the show because it's a very contrary you know, polarizing show, in some cases, because we believe in nuanced thinking minutiae. Instead of absolutes, of, of extremism, you know, on either side, okay, let's look at the data. Let's look at it and, and let's find out what it is that that we're trying to accomplish and do it. So it was it was a good reminder, what you were just saying, about finding the haters, because it's okay to polarize. The only part of that that's the problem is the, the mindset and what it is that you make that mean, which we are, you know, meaning making machines, human beings are mean, meaning making machines, we can make meaning out of anything. And if you're somebody who had been built bullied in the past, if you're somebody who had been, you know, taken advantage of, or whatever, you could have it mean, that you're not being liked. Or you could have it mean that I'm getting stuff done, that the rest of the population isn't getting done. And so they may not understand it right now. But in 10 years, they're gonna be like, why don't I get on that bandwagon?Nelson tessler 53:46 Yeah. And, and I love that you brought up haters, I mean, because, you know, when you put yourself out there, like, I had been really close knit, you know, a lot of the businesses that I own people didn't even know that I own them. You know, I was just that kind of guy. I never wanted to be out there. And then when I published this book, all of a sudden you are out there and the haters came out of the woodwork, you know, people that you knew and family and but you know, and I really started looking at it and what why haters are out there and what they represent. But haters don't hate on things that aren't significant. So if you do have haters out there, look at it as Hey, I'm on the right path here because haters aren't hating people who aren't successful, who aren't significant, who aren't out there doing something that's changing things because there's no need for it. And, you know, again, you realize why haters are doing it, you realize it has really little to do about you and much to do about them. But yeah, I mean, it's not easy to have people out there. But when you look at it that way, again, giving it that meaning is if there's haters out there, I must be on the right track. I must be doing something that's going to you know, change that thing. And another analogy that I love is, you know, the guy talked about the Coast Guard swimmers who jumped out of these helicopters to save a boat crash. And typically there's way more people to be rescued, then they can rescue. And when they jump in the water, he's like, Do you know who they go and save first, it's the people who are swimming towards them. It's not the people who are fighting them. It's not the people splashing stuff in their face. It's not, it's the people who are swimming towards them. And that's the motto that I took when I put myself out there now is I'm not out there for the haters. I'm not out there for the people who are going to splash water in my face and tell me I'm not doing something right. I'm out there for the people who are swimming towards me and want to hear it and who I connect with. And that's who I'm going to try to say that's who I'm going to try to help them, you know, change their lives and help them live better lives.Ari Gronich 56:01 That's awesome. That's awesome. Yeah, you know, we're getting ready to do a promotion for the show. And it's a mastermind group that we're calling the Create a new tomorrow mastermind. And part of the premise of this is a lot of what we've been talking about, which is doing your 100, year, 50, year, 25, year, 10 year, five year one year plans. And I know that sounds a lot to some people, but until you know where you're going, you know, and where you've been, you're never going to be able to accomplish the goals that have set out for you. And we're doing this a little bit differently. Because we address the health concerns as well as the business concerns as well as the life concerns. It's kind of an all encompassing, kind of a life mastermind versus just generalized specific to, to business or those kinds of topics. But you know, it's funny to me, because throughout my life, there's been things that I have not wanted to put out. And I haven't wanted to put out because I was afraid that somebody might steal the idea or do something with it that I don't want it to do, or they might ruin the thought of it, you know, but I learned recently, just through my own processes that I put things out, because nowadays, I don't care if somebody steals my idea, as long as the idea gets done. And the reason I'm doing this show is because so many of the things that I'm thinking about, I can't do them all on my own. So if I give the ideas away, they'll get done, and then I will be calmer because the things that I want to see in the world are going to be happening more. Yeah, I just kind of want to throw that out to the universe into the audience that you want to get started. And who cares? Who gets the credit, frankly, you know,Nelson tessler 58:11 I mean, you know, Tesla. Sorry, Tesla did the same thing. Didn't he give away all of his patents? And, you know, it wasn't about the money it was about, you know, getting that out in there into the world. So I mean, that was like, that was like mind blowing to me.Ari Gronich 58:27 Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know, somebody who could literally the the patents and the trademarks. And the those things are the intellectual property of this company and of this person, and yet, what he's giving them away and open sourcing them and tell and encouraging people to use them in their projects and in what they're doing. I mean, that alone, you may not like Ilan Musk, you may love him, you may not like Tesla's you might love Tesla's who knows what, what your feeling is. But the idea is that what he's doing is moving the world forward by the actions that he's taken, which is trustingUnknown Speaker 59:09 thatAri Gronich 59:11 the idea is going to get out. And that's going to make the world better. So who cares? Who owns it and gets credit for it?Nelson tessler 59:18 Yeah, that's amazing. Amazing that he was willing to do that.Ari Gronich 59:21 Yeah, absolutely. And if more companies were to do that, guess what? We'd be able to move this world forward faster, fail forward fast, but move forward fast. And, again, shift the world create a new tomorrow, activate your vision for a better world, but do it now versus later because I think so many people are so stuck on what their obligations and response abilities are, versus what they're how their ability to respond is and what they're doing about it, how their execution is, right.Nelson tessler 59:58 Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, and I think we all have that fear, when we have that great idea, that idea that's going to change everything that we want to hold on to it. But another thing that I found in my you know, in my life is ideas, you know, aren't where it's at, it's, it's the execution on it, and you can give somebody the best idea in the world. And chances are, you know, 99% of those people are never going to act on it anyhow. So I would be a little less fearful of somebody stealing your idea. Because, you know, there's just not that many people out there that are willing to put in the time and the effort, and, you know, to bring it to fruition,Ari Gronich 1:00:42 right. So just as a recap of that, for the audience, put yourself and your stuff out there, who cares, who gets the credit for it, as long as it's getting done. So let's, uh, let's just finish this up. Because we've had a great conversation. And I really appreciate you. So as I do with every episode, three to four actionable tips and tricks that the audience can do to create a new tomorrow today. And while we've already given them 100 of them during this, this interview, you know, let's kind of condense them and give them very specific so that they can take it and do it.Nelson tessler 1:01:27 Yeah, I mean, the first I'll go back, you know, things only have the meaning you're willing to give them I think that concept in and of itself, will change your life quicker than anything else, look for the good and things. And then, you know, my next concept is, you know, be crystal clear on what you want in your life. You know, know exactly what it is know, when you want to have it, know why you want to do it. And then you know that that's the way that you come up with a plan to actually achieve it. And understand that, you know, we there's going to be obstacles, there's going to be struggles in your life, that's that's the way life is supposed to be. It's not supposed to be easy. So understand that those obstacles are going to come. And then don't, don't be willing to give up on your dreams and your goals and your hopes and the life that you want to live because of obstacles, get around it. It, you know, they too will pass and just know the circumstances that you're in right now are not going to be the circumstances that you're going to be in next week, next month, next year. So you know, if you're in some rough circumstances, right now know that they too will pass. But at the same time, you know, success is not an event success is a process and it's never ending. And you were always continuing to work on ourselves and continue to strive to become that best version of yourself that you possibly can. And, you know, you owe it to the world to become the best version of yourself that you possibly can. And to be out there and and give more than you take.Ari Gronich 1:03:09 Awesome, thank you so much for being here, Nelson, I really appreciate it. I know the audience has gotten a lot out of this, if not just you know, the success from beginnings that you've created in your life, and the fact that you've turned it into a purpose to help other people do the same thing. That's just it's an amazing thing. How can people get ahold of you? Where can they find you? And I do want to promote your book and your your app? So why don't you tell them what that is? Just a little bit about it? And how they can find it. AndNelson tessler 1:03:45 sure, yeah, thank you. Um, you can go to Nelson Trusler calm, everything is there. My book, The on lucky sperm club, you're not a victim of your circumstances. But a product of your choices is available everywhere books are sold, Amazon's probably the easiest place to get it. And then the app is called the I got smarter app. And it is on all the app sites. And you can download it and right now we're giving away 30 free days. So that you can try it out and make sure it's for you. And then it's only you know, 999 thereafter. I mean, there's no excuses. If you want to change your life and you want help doing it and a plan to do it. That app is that's why I started that app.Ari Gronich 1:04:28 Yes. So just give me a little bit more on the app and what its function is so that sure we'll go there. They know what they're going there for.Nelson tessler 1:04:37 Yeah, so that the app is a goal fulfillment program. It's everything that I've learned over the last 25 years that I've you know, been a goal and personal development junkie, but you know, there's your crystal clear, you do a self assessment to make sure you know what your goals are going to be. And then there's all the concepts and the theories that I've used. I mean, you know, we have a morning ritual To where you're giving gratitude, you're grateful for the circumstances you're in, you're not satisfied, but you're grateful. And you're learning personal development strategies throughout the app, you review your goals every single day, you know, we only work on three goals at a time. And, you know, so but you're designing what you're going to do that day, and the app automatically populates your task list through this morning ritual. So when you're finished, that you've got a list of the things that you need to do specific to your goal, the most important thing of the day, you know, all those things. So there's never a day if you do your morning ritual that you don't know what you need to do to accomplish your goals. And then the app, you know, has an evening ritual where you're reflecting upon your day, what worked, what didn't work, you know, what did you learn from it? What were your biggest successes, and like I touched on before, you know, the secret sauce is that opportunity to work with a success partner who's also trying to achieve their goals and support and encourage each other through the app real time so that you actually see your goals through to the end.Ari Gronich 1:06:07 Awesome. Thank you so much for being here. And I know the audience is going to get a lot from that and from from listening to this episode. So thank you again. This has been another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host are Ari Gronich, and just wanted to remind you about the mastermind program that we're getting ready to launch if you're interested in it, you're more than welcome to message me comment to me, you know anywhere below the videos that are going to be here or on the podcast pages. 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Hi i am here with Nelson L. Tressler, He is the Founder and CEO of IGOTSMARTER, a goal-achievement program and app created to help people succeed in every aspect of life. Despite his unbelievable difficult beginnings, Nelson rose to become a top commercial real estate agent and investor, completing well over $1 billion in transactionsCHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY NELSON FOR MORE INFOhttps://igotsmarter.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.Nelson tessler 0:00 didn't listen to those voices. My life was not where I wanted it to be. And I thought if I could do this if I could accomplish this goal, that I really could change the direction of my life and eventually, you know, the life that I was going to give my future family. flashforward, you know, 12 years later, for different colleges for years in the Air Force. I finally became that first person in my family to graduate from college.Transcribed by https://otter.ai
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Hi, I am here with Carolyn Colleen. she is a PhD candidate, speaker, author, coach, was born and raised in the Midwestern United States. She describes herself as a FIERCE mother, daughter, sister, and friend.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY CAROLYN COLLEEN FOR MORE INFOhttps://www.carolyncolleen.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:07 Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich and I have with me Carolyn Colleen. Carolyn is a fierce mother of three children, author, international speaker, entrepreneur and business strategist, focused on helping others achieve their goals. She's the founder of the fierce network, an online program that helps women create life strategies that enable them to have the life they dream of, without sacrificing family, career or lifestyle. She's also the author of fierce transform your life in the face of adversity. Five minutes at a time. Welcome to the show. Thank you for coming.Carolyn Colleen 0:47 I already Thanks for having me. I'm excited to be here.Ari Gronich 0:50 Cool. So tell the audience a little bit about yourself how you became who you are, and and what kinds of things are you really passionate about?Carolyn Colleen 1:02 Well, I'm excited to share, you know, a little bit of my journey and a bit about, you know, what I'm excited about right now and high that where I am. So I am, as you shared in my bio, I'm a proud mother of three. There's a lot of different things that I'm I'm proud of in my life and in my business. But things weren't always sunshiny. In my very short lifetime, I've experienced far, I've experienced a lot of adversity. So when you start a very young, young age, sexual abuse, physical abuse, emotional abuse, which guided the way that I saw the world, and it guided a lot of my perspective, and it also guided the way that I defined love, self love and self worth. Awesome.Ari Gronich 1:50 So what do you think the fine line between victim and Victor is? What do you think that that transition when you stepped over the line from victim to Victor, and what kinds of things might other people be able to do to do the same thing,Carolyn Colleen 2:10 you know, it's a self, it's an inside work. So from victim, victim, the victim mentality, because that that underlies fear that underlies the thought which I truly had, that I was put here to be abused and used. And that's a victim mentality. And with that mentality, that's all I knew, at the time, which also bred for more bad things to happen. And so breaking out of that victim mentality, realizing that I had the courage to to move forward and out of that, actually was a transitional point.Ari Gronich 2:54 That's awesome. Sounds good. So, you know, taking that to another level, because this shows a really a lot about systems. So what do you think the systems are that lead you into having, you know, that kind of early life, and which are the things that you think will would be good ways or solutions to even having those kinds of things happen on a regular basis as they do?Carolyn Colleen 3:25 So within the conditioning, I would say, of a life like that, you have to be able to pause, you need to be able to reflect and you need to be able to process that, and really leave it as, okay, it happened. It's real, doesn't mean it was right or wrong, but how what are you going to build moving forward. So what I did is, after I left my relationship, I was standing there in line at the Salvation Army. Looking around realizing that this is not the life that I want, it is not the list the light that I had, wanted to have or designed, but I built a way in which to break free into, basically reverse engineer. So when looking at taking a deep breath, focusing on one goal, and then taking action five minutes at a time, I found that the emotions that come up, you can use them as fuel to push you in a positive direction, and be able to build those systems that you speak of, and do it five minutes at a time. So when you're struggling, go ahead.Ari Gronich 4:39 I'm talking more societal Lee. So there's a societal pandemic of child abuse of, you know, abandoned men of all these kinds of things. So I'm talking more on on a societal level. What do you think is is possible society wise, what are some social solutions that we could start implementing possibly for taking care of this at that macro level versus just the micro level?Carolyn Colleen 5:10 Oh, yes, of course. So, I agree with you, there's definitely a systematic issue. So there's a lot of hype or a lot of talk about adverse childhood experiences. Are you familiar?Ari Gronich 5:23 Yep, absolutely.Carolyn Colleen 5:24 So on a scale of one to 10, adverse childhood experiences. And so the higher your score, the more likely you are to develop cancer, heart disease, and not 20 years off of your life. There's definitely a bigger movement around resilience and how you can build resilience in order to combat that. But not only that, as a society, and as communities, we can educate, and how do you how do you break down systematic oppression, through education and access, and I don't mean, walking into a college, I'm talking about educating yourself, not just education, and creating structural communities. And in order to do that we as a people need to be able to create and implement, how do you look into the future? What is that vision? What are your finances in which to support that vision?Ari Gronich 6:20 for an individual being resilient, you know, you can say be resilient to somebody, they don't necessarily know what that means, how to do it, what the steps might be, on a societal level, you know, there's a theory that the repression of a society leads to the aggression of the people, which basically means that the more you repress something, the more it acts out in bad ways. And, for instance, in our society, you know, you don't see nude bodies, in TV commercials. And on the television, the body is kind of shamed. And then it's made to be, you know, sex is made to be some kind of nasty, bad thing. But in the countries where they're more open with their bodies, where that's not happening, they have less sexual assaults, less abuse that way. Same thing with drugs, you know, the societies that have legalized drugs more versus repressing it more, it doesn't have as negative impact on the people or on this the communities in society. So I'm talking on that macro level, if, if we're going to shift the cycle of abuse in general, what are some of the things that you would suggest we need to do as a society and then as individuals specifically?Carolyn Colleen 7:52 Well, it sounds like that overall theme is really, it sounds to me like that what you resist persists. And so how do you again, this goes back to education and what's accepted, like you're just sharing how within our country compared to other countries in the short of the of the body, and how other countries might see it as beautiful. And then our country might see it, or culture might see it as shameful. And so, education and a culture, how do we lean in to change something like that? Well, it takes quite a bit quite a bit, in order to be able to change our mindset. But I think it starts with, for example, like standing up, like, when you're looking at abuse, or you're looking at, you know, familial generations of abuse, there's, you might have, you know, 98% of people aren't doing that. And then you have 2% that are so, but they're the ones that seem to just make passes. And so how does the 98% help influence the culture and that standby, it'd be very similar to what you're saying about leaning in and really appreciating the body and, and cultures that think that is beautiful, and that you do share, you know, and expose more of your body parts compared to some cultures that don't. And and why is it taboo? So I think it has to do again, with the education and the cultural acceptance, but having people stand up more, it seems like in our, in our culture, there's a lot of people are less, they speak less about, about things, compared to speaking more.Ari Gronich 9:46 It's interesting, I'm preparing a TEDx talk, and it's on the basis of a quote that I like to say often which is silence is a bully. His best friend. And we allow bullies, so to speak of all kinds, to take us out of doing or being something that is for our own benefit our own self good. And that's our good as an individual and are good as people. So we see something like, you know, in my field, agriculture, I, you know, poison the ground poison, the food, poison, poison, poison everything. And then nobody's really standing up and talking, and allowing it to happen. And so that the thing that that I agree with you on is that silence is a bully's best friend. And we need to start standing up speaking up, whether it's in your families, as individuals, to other members of not your family, or even in your family, you know, break that taboo of, we don't tell these secrets, so to speak. And until you tell the secrets, the cycle will continue. SoCarolyn Colleen 11:11 I agree. And as I, on a more macro level, it's those secrets are considered to be agenda. Because we don't talk about it enough. So until it's talked about more, it's, you know, as we talk about it more, it's less of an agenda and more of a truth. SoAri Gronich 11:32 yeah, absolutely. That's, you know, for for the reference, just to kind of pass through is, we need to have more town hall meetings we need involved in the civics of their community and in government, we need people who can make a difference, to step up and make a difference businesses, etc. But we need to start having these conversations. Now, here's the caveat to me, we need to have the conversations in a civil way. And preferably with like an old, an old world debate kind of, you know, tone versus a new world debate kind of atone meaning we actually talk similarly we Mac mark, March facts versus facts versus, you know, hyperboles, and sound bites, these kinds of things, right. Yeah,Carolyn Colleen 12:26 I agree. And perhaps, perhaps, you know, as we're creating this, we can throw in a class of emotional intelligence as a requirement to sit on the board.Ari Gronich 12:36 Whoo, tell me more about that. Let's see how that how that would play out?Carolyn Colleen 12:40 Well, you know, with emotional intelligence, and really separating the emotion of the word said, to the actual understanding, and like bringing in, okay, you have an opinion, I have an opinion, like you said that respect, but then also not acting on the emotion that might be triggered when that when that discussion comes up. Because what happens in a lot of times, is that if we're triggered by emotion, we say things that we don't truly, authentically mean. It doesn't technically help us. But it might make us feel, you know, like, we have a little edge in the moment, or, you know, depending on how we speak to ourselves and our own self talk, what comes out, and it may not help us in the moment. So with emotional intelligence training, we can have that requirement on the board, we might have better discussions, and we might actually get to, you know, a better solution to create something better. Because a lot of times when people are acting an emotion, they feel threatened or their ego gets in the way, we're not actually getting to a solution, just simply blowing a lot of air.Ari Gronich 13:52 That's awesome. So learning to listen as part of that emotional intelligence that you're talking about, and learning to listen, not for what you're going to say next, not for how you're going to respond. But learning to listen to understand what the point of view of the other is. So if you can imagine being in a room where two people are having a conversation, one is talking first, no interruptions, and they're just explaining their point of view on any given subject. And then you have the other person, repeat back what it is that they said. And then start the I agree with this. I disagree with that. And this is why and Here, let me help you understand my point of view. And now we have this civil discussion that actually gets to a deep place of understanding versus this polarization of society. Right, exactly. great tips if you could turn it into like three to four actionable steps. that somebody can immediately do versus just the concepts which are eight. What would they be?Carolyn Colleen 15:08 One? Sit down with your WHY? And how do you do that? You think about? When is the last time you felt fulfilled? Where were you? Who were you around? What brought you joy? And it could have been a long time ago. Or it could have been last week. Think about what that is, where were you? What were you doing? And how did it feel? When I did this specific exercise, I thought back and I remember when I was little, and I wanted to be Whitney Houston. I love Whitney Houston. I didn't necessarily want to be a rock star. I just wanted to be able to give people that feeling that I felt want to listen to her music. Well, that opens up the door for a lot of things then. So getting under the why Remember, the last time you felt fulfilled? What did it feel like? Who was around you? What were you doing? That will bring you back to your WHY? Second thing? identifying what you like, what that could be? What could that translate into? Like I said before, looking at the different adding up the different things that you've done in your life, perhaps I just had the person say, well, I've done um, I worked in a an apple orchard. And I loved being outside and I loved having the sun on my on my face. I did not like the amount of income that I made, but I loved being outside. Okay, cool. Well, you know how to pick apples, you know how to be an orchard? You know, you like to be outside? What if you push that a little further? What if you created a business of having employees and you were the person that led the people were picking the apples, you can still be outside, you know, the logistics, you know, the land, you know where to go, you know how to find these people, right? So maybe it's understanding what you love to do, and then thinking slightly bigger? What if you love to do something like picking apples or you enjoy being outside? But what if you're the one who owned it? How do you build relationships in which to find people that need Apple pickers, or that need people to be outside and they know how to pick the most apples the fastest, with the most, the most? Most outcome? So just leveling that thought process up slightly. And then the other thing is removing the barrier Everyone is afraid of? Well, you know, my uncle told me that I need to get two years of college in or I need to get a certificate for that I needed it. Yeah, you might need to gain some education on some things, but it doesn't mean you have to go 200,000 in debt in order to get there. You just need to see, okay, well, you know, I don't know a whole lot about I know how to Apple pic. But I don't know a whole lot about building relationships. Well, you know what, you better get in there and read a book or two, how to win and Influence People First one off the top of my mind. But thinking about not necessarily spending all that money, but thinking how to get razor sharp and understanding what's the first thing that I would need to learn in order to think a little bit bigger and putting into yourself development.Ari Gronich 18:15 Awesome. Thank you so much. How can people get ahold of you if they'd like to, to work with you or get more information about your book?Carolyn Colleen 18:24 Yeah. Carolyn colleen.com. So, CAROLYN COLLEEN. Ari Gronich 18:32 That'sawesome. Thank you so much for being here, Carolyn. I really appreciate it. I hope that the audience got a whole lot out of the show. And, you know, we're here to create a new tomorrow today. So let's activate your vision for a better world. Remember to like, subscribe, comment and rate and review and all of those things that make us be able to have great conversations with you. Talk to you later, and we'll see on the next episode of a new tomorrow. Thank you.
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Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:00 Has it occurred to you that the systems we live by are not designed to get results? We pay for procedures instead of outcomes, focusing on emergencies rather than preventing disease and living a healthy lifestyle. For over 25 years, I've taken care of Olympians Paralympians a list actors in fortune 1000 companies decide not get results, they did not get results. I realized that while powerful people who control the system want to keep the status quo, if I were to educate the masses, you would demand change. So I'm taking the gloves off and going after the systems as they are joining me on my mission to create a new tomorrow as I chat with industry experts, elite athletes, thought leaders and government officials about how we activate our vision for a better world. We may agree and we may disagree, but I'm not backing down. I'm Ari, Gronich and this is create a new tomorrow podcast.Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari gronich And I have with me, Carolyn Colleen. Carolyn is a fierce mother of three children, author, international speaker, entrepreneur and business strategist, focused on helping others achieve their goals. She's the founder of the fierce network, an online program that helps women create life strategies that enable them to have the life they dream of, without sacrificing family, career or lifestyle. She's also the author of fierce to transform your life in the face of adversity. Five minutes at a time. Welcome to the show. Thank you for coming.Carolyn Colleen 1:45 I already Thanks for having me. I'm excited to be here.Ari Gronich 1:48 Cool. So tell the audience a little bit about yourself how you became who you are, and and what kinds of things are you really passionate about?Carolyn Colleen 2:00 Well, I'm excited to share, you know, a little bit of my journey and a bit about, you know, what I'm excited about right now. And Hi, that's where I am. So I am as you shared in my bio, I'm a proud mother of three. There's a lot of different things that I'm I'm proud of in my life and in my business. But things weren't always sunshiny. In my very short lifetime, I've experienced so far, I've experienced a lot of adversity. So when you start a very young, young age, sexual abuse, physical abuse, emotional abuse, which guided the way that I saw the world, and it guided a lot of my perspective, and it also guided the way that I defined love, self love, and self worth giving, giving growing up in a household with quite a bit of mental health, untreated mental health disorders. And having the ebbs and the flows and the ups and the downs. with, you know, perhaps many of the people in your audience, when you talk about therapy, there's untreated mental health in the abs, the flow, some days are great, and some days are really, really bad. And so the choices that I made giving that foundation put me into a an abusive marriage, and I was in an abusive marriage that I, I escaped after my daughter was born. And I ended up in low income housing, and I crawled my way out of love, I crawl my way out of the circle of poverty, and then crawling my way out of the circle of abuse. And amongst that time, I learned quite a few things in learning 20 years of therapy, which I advocate for, and then also I found a life coach or coach that helped me really, not only with therapy, realizing what was wrong with me and why I made the decisions I made, but then in coaching, identifying what was right with me, and elevating from there. Then on my journey, I found people in my life that believed in me and kind of said, Hey, you know, we figured this out, we can kind of help break free from some of these circles and glass ceilings we've experienced. And I took my career to an even higher level. And having that support. Having those mentors helped me get to where I am now, which is like you shared author, speaker, business owner, serial entrepreneur. And my mission in life is really to reflect on the adversity that I've experienced in my short lifetime, and how to make an advantage because all the things that did happen, they happened, but how can I you know, help myself and help others really slip The script and create a new tomorrow.Ari Gronich 5:03 Awesome. So what do you think the fine line between victim and Victor is? What do you think that that transition when you stepped over the line from victim to Victor, and what kinds of things might other people be able to do to do the same thing.Carolyn Colleen 5:23 You know, it's a self, it's an inside work. So from victim, victim, the victim mentality, because that that underlies fear that underlies the thought which I truly had, that I was put here to be abused and used. And that's a victim mentality. And with that mentality, that's all I knew at the time, which also bred for more bad things to happen. And so, breaking out of that victim mentality, realizing that I had the courage to to move forward and out of that, actually was a transitional point. So I remember it specifically. It was 4am in the morning, my daughter was colicky, and colic means babies screaming for non stop, and there's no cure. And the doctors say good luck. So she was screaming for two months straight, she was two months old. So sleep deprived, not only from having a newborn baby, but then also being in a relationship that was very abusive. So I, at four in the morning, I, I was at the end of my rope, and I prayed. And I said, whoever's out there, send me a sign of some kind, anything, because I don't know what to do. And I'm about to break. In at four in the morning, as the sun was coming out of the sky, my daughter stopped crying. And she looked me directly in the eyes, as if she was looking into my soul saying to me, I'm your sign. And in that pivotal moment, I realized that I didn't have the love for myself in which to leave my relationship, and create a new life and a new tomorrow. But I did have love for my daughter. So I borrowed the love I had for my daughter and which to create that enough courage to push out of that victim mentality, and inch toward Victor. And I did that. And I moved forward. And I started to actually learn how to love myself also.Ari Gronich 7:33 exoticism sounds good. So, you know, taking that to another level, because this shows a really a lot about systems. So what do you think the systems are that lead you into having, you know, that kind of early life, and which are the things that you think will would be good ways or solutions to even having those kinds of things happen on a regular basis as they do?Carolyn Colleen 8:04 So within the conditioning, I would say, of a life like that, you have to be able to pause, you need to be able to reflect and you meet need to be able to process that, and really leave it as, okay, it happened, it's real, doesn't mean it was right or wrong, but how, what are you going to build moving forward. So what I did is, after I left my relationship, I was standing there in line at the Salvation Army, looking around realizing that this is not the life that I want, it is not the list the light that I had, wanted to have or designed, but I built a way in which to break free into, basically reverse engineer. So when looking at taking a deep breath, focusing on one goal, and then taking action five minutes at a time, I found that the emotions that come up, you can use them as fuel to push you in a positive direction, and be able to build those systems that you speak up and do it five minutes at a time. So when you're struggling, go ahead.Ari Gronich 9:18 I'm talking more societal Lee. So there's a societal pandemic of childhood abuse of, you know, abandonment of all these kinds of things. So I'm talking more on on a societal level. What do you think is is possible society wise, what are some solutions that we could start implementing possibly for taking care of this at that macro level versus just the micro level?Carolyn Colleen 9:49 Oh, yes, of course. So I agree with you. There's definitely a systematic issue. So there's a lot of hype or a lot of talk about Everest. experiences? Are you familiar?Ari Gronich 10:02 Yep, absolutely.Carolyn Colleen 10:03 So on a scale of one to 10, adverse childhood experiences. And so the higher your score, the more likely you are to develop cancer, heart disease, and not 20 years off of your life. There's definitely a bigger movement around resilience and how you can build resilience in order to combat that. But not only that, as a society, and as communities, we can educate. And how do you how do you break down systematic oppression, through education and access, and I don't mean, walking into a college, I'm talking about educating yourself, not just education, and creating structural communities. And in order to do that, we as a people need to be able to create and implement, how do you look into the future? What is that vision? What are your finances in which to support that vision? Is it vertical income? Is it horizontal income? Is it passive income? What does that look like? Who are the people that are influencing your dream? What is that you're the average of the five people closest to you, either an income and mindset in health. And then also in your wellness, what's your mindset, your mind, body, and spirit. And that's, that is what is called a core four, which is actually a, an impact to creating structural community, because in order for us to elevate as a nation as a world, and elevate out of hardship, we need to be able to provide education and access to people who don't have it, they don't realize it's there. And so that is my thought process on systematic change. And by doing that, and being able to collect that data, understanding, what are your adverse, what are your Ace scores? What are how do you shift that impact? How you educate people on actually remembering how to dream? Or even learning how to dream? Have A Dream? And then how do you support it? What do you what is the finances, the finances that you need and wish to support it? And then also, what's the market for it? And so it doesn't necessarily mean you have to take 15 years of college in which to have and build a career, but also, you know, how are you thinking differently in which to get to where you want to go? And that's a bit of, you know, honoring, alright, like, you know, you might be able to people that may have struggled with addiction, per se, or different different struggles? How do you take that advantage that you learned, that adversity that you, you experienced and turn it into an advantage? I had a conversation with somebody last week, who used to be addicted to drugs, and alcohol. And the way that they hustled after that addiction, they flip the switch and hustle after their business, but being very resourceful. Because when you look at someone who is being resourceful they can they're able to come up with come up with ideas in which to survive. How do you do that in your business? Right.Ari Gronich 13:12 So for an individual being resilient, you know, you can say be resilient to somebody, they don't necessarily know what that means, how to do it, what the steps might be, on a societal level, you know, there, there's a theory that the repression of a society leads to the aggression of the people, which basically means that the more you repress something, the more it acts out in bad ways. And, for instance, in our society, you know, you don't see nude bodies, in TV commercials. And on the television, the body is kind of shamed. And then it's made to be, you know, sex is made to be some kind of nasty, bad thing. But in the countries where they're more open with their bodies, where that's not happening, they have less sexual assaults, less abuse that way. Same thing with drugs, you know, the societies that have legalized drugs more versus repressing it more, it doesn't have as negative impact on the people or on this the communities and society. So I'm talking on that macro level. If, if we're going to shift the cycle of abuse in general, what are some of the things that you would suggest we need to do as a society and then as individuals specifically?Carolyn Colleen 14:46 Well, it sounds like that overall theme is really it sounds to me like that what you resist persists. And so how do you again, this goes back to education and what's accepted. You're just sharing How within our country compared to other countries in the short of the body, and how other countries might see it as beautiful. And then our country might see it, their culture might see it as shameful. And so, education and the culture, how do we lean in to change something like that? Well, it takes quite a bit quite a bit in order to be able to change our mindset. But I think it starts with, for example, like standing up, like, when you're looking at abuse, or you're looking at, you know, familial generations of abuse, there's, you might have, you know, 98% of people aren't doing that. And then you have 2% that are, so, but they're the ones that seem to just make passes. And so how does the 98% help influence the culture and that standby, be very similar to what you're saying about leaning in and really appreciating the body? And, and cultures that think that is beautiful, and that you do share, you know, and expose more of your body parts compared to some cultures that don't? And, and why is it taboo. So I think it has to do again, with the education and the cultural acceptance, but having people stand up more, it seems like in our, in our culture, there's a lot of people are less, they speak less about, about things, compared to speaking more.Ari Gronich 16:40 It's interesting, I'm preparing a TEDx talk. And it's on the basis of quote that I like to say often, which is, silence is a bully's best friend. And we allow bullies, so to speak of all kinds, to take us out of doing or being something that is for our own benefit our own self good. And that's our good as an individual and our good as people. So we see something like, you know, in my field, agriculture, I, you know, poison the ground, poison, the food, poison, poison, poison, everything. And then nobody's really standing up and talking, and allowing it to happen. And so the thing that, that I agree with you on is that silence is a bully's best friend. And we need to start standing up speaking up, whether it's in your families, as individuals, to other members of not your family, or even in your family, you know, break that taboo of, we don't tell these secrets, so to speak. And until you tell the secrets, the cycle will continue. SoCarolyn Colleen 18:05 I agree and as a, on a more macro level, it's those secrets are considered to be agenda. Because we don't talk about it enough. So until it's talked about more, it's, you know, as we talk about it more, it's less of an agenda and more of a truth. SoAri Gronich 18:26 yeah, absolutely. That's, you know, for for the reference just to kind of pass through is, we need to have more town hall meetings we need involved in the civics of their community and in government, we need people who can make a difference, to step up and make a difference businesses etc. But we need to start having these conversations. Now, here's the caveat to me, we need to have the conversations in a civil way. And preferably with like an old an old world debate kind of, you know, tone versus a new world debate kind of atone meaning we actually talk similarly we Mac mark, March facts versus facts versus, you know, hyperboles and sound bites, these kinds of things, right.Carolyn Colleen 19:20 Yeah, I agree. And perhaps, perhaps, you know, as we're creating this, we can throw in a class of emotional intelligence as a requirement to sit on the board. Whoo,Ari Gronich 19:31 tell me more about that. Let's see how that how that would play out.Carolyn Colleen 19:35 Well, you know, with emotional intelligence and really separating the emotion of the word said to the actual understanding and like bringing in Okay, you have an opinion, I have an opinion, like you said that respect, but then also not acting on the emotion that might be triggered when that when that discussion comes up, because what happens in a lot of times is that it If we're triggered by emotion, we say things that we don't truly, authentically mean, and doesn't technically help us. But it might make us feel, you know, like, we have a little edge in the moment, or, you know, depending on how we speak to ourselves and our own self talk, what comes out, and it may not help us in the moment. So with emotional intelligence training, we can have that requirement on the board, we might have better discussions, and we might actually get to, you know, a better solution to create something better, because I think a lot of times when people are acting an emotion that they feel threatened or their ego gets in the way, we're not actually getting to a solution, just simply blowing a lot of air.Ari Gronich 20:46 That's awesome. So learning to listen is part of that emotional intelligence that you're talking about, and learning to listen, not for what you're going to say next, not for how you're going to respond. But learning to listen to understand what the point of view of the other is. So if you can imagine being in a room where two people are having a conversation, one is talking first, no interruptions, and they're just explaining their point of view on any given subject. And then you have the other person, repeat back what it is that they said. And then start the I agree with this. I disagree with that. And this is why and Here, let me help you understand my point of view. And now we have this civil discussion that actually gets to a deep place of understanding versus this polarization of society. Right,Unknown Speaker 21:47 exactly.Carolyn Colleen 21:49 And going even a step further and appreciating what brings us together as humans. Because if you can come together from a place of appreciating, you know, even even this past year, this isn't our first rodeo, we've I mean, as humans, you know, we've seen adversities. But how do we appreciate ourselves as as, as humans, we all are after a very similar things to be loved to be accepted to be understood. If we can come and add that to the discussion of you know, what? That that triggers me, that makes me You know, you're trying to up my practice here, and that upsets me, okay, and be able to voice it and say, authentic, authentically, so that you can get to a solution? Like, yeah, you're trying to up my taxes, but I'm trying to do this. First, we need to do this for your school, and you have kids, let's talk about this, you know, or maybe you don't, and, and, and just really having generative conversation.Ari Gronich 22:48 Yeah, absolutely. So what what else, you know, you you've reorganized? nonprofits, you've gone from corporate to entrepreneur lifestyle, that pivot that you, you know, that you've made throughout your life? How did you decide what and how to pivot into and then obviously, the courage because a lot of people really have struggle with change in general. And it takes them a long time to decide to get out of a situation or a company or a thing that they've committed to. So how did you decide to, to make those pivots and changes? And what was the struggle along with the reward or the the happy ending?Carolyn Colleen 23:46 Yeah, you've mentioned, you know about the systems and I take it to a personal system level of reflection. One was getting around people that challenged the way I thought, because if you're the smartest person in the room, you need a new room. And so that's I moved myself into different rooms to try and think differently and challenged the way I thought, but then again, then from my systematic approach, writing down all the different things within my lifetime in my career that I really love to do that I'm like, Hey, I'm kind of good at that. So I put a whiteboard moment, as I'm sure you can appreciate his, you know, putting up all these ideas up on my whiteboard of know what what am I good at? And what do I like to do and what did I learn on this journey of, you know, being whole 42 years old? What can I learn? And, and what I saw as I started looking at it is one I laid out my career and the different things that I learned throughout the different jobs that I had as I grew and then within that, I laid out the different things that I learned as I grew professionally and personally, because you can grow and you can crush it professionally. Sure. But you could also leave behind your personal development. And so I wanted to put that in there and see like, what do I love to do? What's my Why? And people struggle with that, why they struggle with? Well, what's my purpose? Why am I even here, and getting underneath the why it was so very important. I realized, as I reflected back on my life, that I wanted to be able to provide impact, because the people who just simply smiled at me, when I was dealing with depression, or people that took a moment, to give me that space in honor me as a person, like that feeling, is what I was after, in order to give to other people. So as I looked at that, I realized that I'm growing up in a household where and being able to break free out of abuse and break free out of poverty. Wow, you could put that into a career because you know how to build systems, you know how to connect the dots, that some people can't even see the dots, I mean, I know how to make something out of nothing, which is, you know, when you have nothing, you learn how to do that. And you can actually, that's, that's what you call a strategist. And so figuring out careers and jobs and different things that you can bring to the table, from what you've experienced in your life. So when I decided that I was going to take that leap from corporate America, it was a vision. And the vision was that I wanted to be able to travel with my kids. That's it. And I didn't need to know how I was going to get there. I just needed to know the why. Because what if one of my good friend says is once the Why has heart The how gets legs? So I had to sit with the why. And really, it didn't have to be you know, I'm going to be the next presidential candidate is I just wanted to hang out with my kids. So how do I how do I do that? And then I line up the finances, figure out how to make up make a leap. But make a safe leap? Because I have kids to raise and figure out the market for it and what what, what, how can I support myself? What do I need what I need to do in order to do that?Ari Gronich 27:24 Awesome. This is some some great tips, if you could turn it into like three to four actionable steps that somebody can immediately do versus just the concepts which are eight. What would they be?Carolyn Colleen 27:40 One, sit down with your why. And how do you do that? You think about when is the last time you felt fulfilled? Where were you? Who were you around? What brought you joy? And it could have been a long time ago? Or it could have been last week? Think about what that is? Where were you? What were you doing? And how did it feel? When I did this specific exercise, I thought back and I remembered when I was little, and I wanted to be Whitney Houston. I love Whitney Houston. I didn't necessarily want to be a rock star. I just wanted to be able to give people that feeling that I felt when I listen to her music. Well, that opens up the door for a lot of things then. So getting under the why Remember, the last time you felt fulfilled? What did it feel like? Who was around you? What were you doing? That will bring you back to your WHY? Second thing? identity identifying what you like what that could be? What could that translate into? Like I said before, looking at the different adding up the different things that you've done in your life, perhaps I just had the person say, well, I've done um, I worked in a an apple orchard. And I loved being outside and I loved having the sun on my on my face. I did not like the amount of income that I made, but I loved being outside. Okay, cool. Well, you know how to pick apples, you know how to be an orchard? You know, you like to be outside? What if you push that a little further? What if you created a business of having employees and you were the person that led the people were picking the apples, you can still be outside? You know the logistics, you know the lamp, you know where to go, you know how to find these people, right? So maybe it's understanding what you love to do, and then thinking slightly bigger. What if you love to do something like picking apples or you enjoy being outside? But what if you're the one who owned it? How do you build relationships in which to find people that need Apple pickers, or that need people to be outside and they know how to pick the most apples the fastest, with the most, the most, most outcome? So just leveling that thought process up slightly. And then the other thing is removing barrier Everyone is afraid of, well, you know, my uncle told me that I need to get two years of college in or date I need to get a certificate for that I needed it. Yeah, you might need to gain some education on some things, but it doesn't mean you have to go 200,000 in debt in order to get there. You just need to see, okay, well, you know, I don't know a whole lot about I know how to Apple pic. But I don't know a whole lot about building relationships. Well, you know what, you better get in there and read a book or two, how to win and Influence People First one off the top of my mind. But thinking about not necessarily spending all that money, but thinking how to get razor sharp and understanding what's the first thing that I would need to learn in order to think a little bit bigger and putting into yourself development?Ari Gronich 30:47 Awesome. Thank you so much. How can people get ahold of you if they'd like to, to work with you or get more information about your book?Carolyn Colleen 30:56 Yeah. Carolyn colleen.com. So, C A R O L Y N C O L L E E N.COM Ari Gronich 31:04 That's awesome. Thank you so much for being here, Carolyn. I really appreciate it. I hope that the audience got a whole lot out of the show. And, you know, we're here to create a new tomorrow today. So let's activate your vision for a better world. Remember to Like, Subscribe, comment, and rate and review and all of those things that make us be able to have great conversations with you. Talk to you later. And we'll see on the next episode of a new tomorrow. Thank you. Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. If you'd like to take this information further and are interested in joining a community of like minded people who are all passionate about activating their vision for a better world. 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Hi, I am here with Carolyn Colleen. she is a PhD candidate, speaker, author, coach, was born and raised in the Midwestern United States. She describes herself as a FIERCE mother, daughter, sister, and friend.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY CAROLYN COLLEEN FOR MORE INFOhttps://www.carolyncolleen.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Carolyn Colleen 0:01 My mission in life is really to reflect on the adversity that I've experienced in my short lifetime and how to make it an advantage because all the things that did happen, they happened, but how can I you know, help myself and help others really just flip the script and create a new tomorrow.
Hi, I am here with Greg Lawrence, He is a Psychedelic Integration and Transformational Coach, Energy Worker, and active member of the Southern California psychedelic community.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY GREG TO LEARN MORE:https://psychedelicintegrationspecial...JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:07 Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich and I have with me, Greg Lawrence and Greg is a psychedelic integration and transformational coach. He's talks about clinical research, micro dosing, the importance of preparation and integration. What would you, Greg, you know, like to share about how you got into this field? And what about it is makes it so passionate for you?Greg Lawrence 0:38 Wow. Well, I mean, I got into it through experience about six years ago. Well, I should back up and say that I used psychedelics in my late teens through my late 20s. And unfortunately, in my late 20s, I also got mixed up with hard drugs, my life spiraled out of control pretty quickly. So I managed to scrape myself off of the bottom of the barrel and quit drugs, cold turkey, I realized at that time, I had a lot of unresolved childhood trauma I hadn't dealt with, and I basically been hiding for a long time. So I started working with a psychotherapist, personal coach. And somewhere in there, I was smoking cigarettes and trying to quit. And my coach said, I think so assignment helps with that. So I got some magic mushrooms and took them and had some epiphanies about what was going on in my life and the causes of the misery I was experiencing. And I thought, okay, now that I know where that came from, everything is going to change. And in about four or five weeks or so everything was just the same as it was. That happened a couple more times, then I stumbled across the concept of integration, and started going to integration groups, integration circles. And that's where we take the lesson from the experience, we try to integrate it into our lives by making some sort of shift or change in our lives. And I became fascinated with this. So I started studying it, I began leading the integration circles, I started working with people one on one, I eventually got certified as a psychedelic integration coach, and I've been a full time coach for almost three years now.Ari Gronich 2:08 That's awesome. So, you know, tell me what's the difference between the recreational use of psilocybin or other psychedelics and the, the therapy side of utilizing these medicines for taking care of emotional trauma and releasing, and so on, because, like you, I was a child doing certain things, and and I find that as an adult, those experiences are much richer and greater and create more of a permanent change for me. So talk to us a little bit about the difference between the recreational side and the therapeutic side.Greg Lawrence 3:01 Well, I first want to say that I, you know, there are a large part of the psychedelic community that uses the word recreational sort of a pejorative, like that's not the way you're supposed to do it. I don't believe that there shouldn't be any shoulds, around psychedelic. And I realized I used the word should to say that. But once you are safe and responsible, which means that you are not bringing harm to yourself or another person, I think if you want to experience a museum, a movie, some movie, or some food and other person's body, nature, whatever you want through the lens of a psychedelic, I think that that's fantastic. People should be free to explore their consciousness in the world in the way that they want.Ari Gronich 3:40 Got it. So one of the things that I utilize in my practice has been psychedelic therapy with bodywork and deep emotional release, breath work. And I've, I've always found that the issues are in the tissues. And when you combine those two things, you can really, really get permanent clearing of the issues that are in the tissues, because you're breathing it out, the body's being moved through it, the places where the traumas are, are being literally touched. So there's like a spotlight on those places. And then the medicine does its work of allowing those things and those traumas to release. Have you ever experienced that or heard of that kindGreg Lawrence 4:39 of work? Yeah, I do energy work myself. I practice personally trauma release exercises. So I realized there is both a psychological and a somatic component to the issues that people are facing, and that trauma is held in the body. So in the work that I do with people in preparing them or helping them to work with these medicines, because what I do is I work with people before and after, as an integration coach, I help prepare them for any experience. And I help them integrate the experience the middle part they do on their own or with someone else. So in my preparation, sometimes I try to determine which mode which would be better for a particular person. Because there is a way from disconnecting from the story in your head, and just experiencing what's happening in your body as issues come up. There is a way of diving deeper into the story in your head to see what kind of resolution you can get. And there's a combination of the two or you can be experiencing something in your body won't, you know, you can experience the past in your body while you're in the present in your head. So all those can be very helpful. But yeah, there's a significant somatic component. I think, too, especially trauma.Ari Gronich 5:47 Absolutely. I've, I think Burning Man was my first experience with psilocybin in a therapeutic healing, you know, manner. And I think I was about 2627 at the time. And we had somebody who couldn't hear out of her ear, since she was like five years old. And about a two and a half, three hour session. We were done, she could hear out of her ear. It was really fascinating. And that's what interested me originally in psilocybin and psychedelics as therapeutic healing tools. What about micro dosing? And I know this is becoming especially within like the Silicon Valley crowd, it's becoming a pretty regular thing to do micro dosing of these, these things, what are the effects? What are the side effects, if any? What is it that you're experiencing with a micro dose of a psychedelic?Greg Lawrence 6:56 Well, I just first want to say that micro dosing has exploded outside of Silicon Valley. So I take monitor and take part in a lot of online groups, and a lot of Facebook groups and online forums that are specifically about micro dosing. And there are people coming to these groups every day, dealing with issues like anxiety, depression, OCD, traumatic brain injury, you know, childhood trauma, and these are people who aren't even considering using psychedelics in the classic sense, they just want to take advantage of the effects of micro dosing. And I also want to say that there is scant scientific evidence that micro dosing actually has an effect just because there's been almost no research done on it. It's still in process. But you know, for all we know, a lot of these things are the placebo or placebo effect if they are fantastic. Yay, placebo, I sayAri Gronich 7:46 this kind of a medicine, weight reliance, like if somebody is heavier or lighter, or does that not matter much.Greg Lawrence 7:56 psychedelics have very little to do with body mass, weight, height, etc. They're sort of like psychotropic drugs like antidepressants, there's a standard dosage, but you know, three grams of mushrooms can really send a 300 pound person into the sky and do nothing for 100 pound person depends on the person's receptors, their own tolerance, etc.Ari Gronich 8:19 Okay, so what is the chemistry that happens in your brain when you are micro dosing and when you're macro dosing,Greg Lawrence 8:26 micro dosing, we don't have as much evidence about exactly what happens when you take the medicine. But for a standard dose of say, serotonergic psychedelics, LSD, psilocybin, mescaline. They are serotonin agonists. So they will latch on to your serotonin receptors. serotonin is known as the feel good neurotransmitter, it's the feel good chemical. These substances don't release more serotonin into your system, they just kind of mimic serotonin. Once they grab onto that receptor and start mimicking serotonin, what happens on the other side is not exactly clear. physiologically. There are a lot of technical things that happen. What basically happens, though, is that difficult things start to try to come to the surface for you sort of the opposite of the action of an antidepressant antidepressant takes those difficult feelings and tries to just push them down here, so you don't have to deal with them. psychedelics do the opposite. They try to bring them to the surface so that you'll experience them process them.Ari Gronich 9:26 So it sounds like it's basically turning the light into the dark. You know, like you put a flashlight in where you've been dark and so all of a sudden, you can see what is going on and spotlight it correct.Greg Lawrence 9:41 Yeah, psychedelics are what are called nonspecific amplifiers of consciousness. So what will often happen is something that is bothering you that you've been suppressing something you didn't realize what's important to you something that is a problem for you that you've been ignoring will come to the surface. I'll give you a Perfect example of this young man who who called me he had had a difficult journey on mushrooms. And the following happened to him. He grew up in a small town in the Midwest at the same friends all of his life, went through grade school all the way through high school with them. good looking guy, very athletic, very popular, always had girlfriends ton of friends. He said he never had to try too hard to do anything. The major he wanted to take in college was different than that of his friends. So he ended up going out of state where he knew nobody. Suddenly the guy is 19. And he has no friends and no prospects and doesn't know what do you realize is I've never had to make friends from scratch. It just always has been there. And he's kind of lonely and a little bit desperate. Luckily, he finds these three guys were just great. he clicks with them immediately. They like to joke around with him. They include him as part of their gang. And he's hanging out with these guys for a couple of weeks. And they say, Hey, we're going to go to the forest and do mushrooms this weekend, would you like to go? He says, Yeah, I'd like that. He's been hearing about this, he wants to try it. They go to the forest, they find a spot, they take the mushrooms. And about 45 minutes later, while they're all talking, this guy realizes these are terrible people. They're not joking around with me, they're insulting me and where I'm from. They're racist, or misogynist. They're just not the kind of people I want to be with at all. So he spent about three hours being around these people who made him feel very unsafe, that was the bad experience he had. But that just shows you what happens in our everyday consciousness. There are things that bother us every day that we just sort of put to the side, we take these substances, and that says, hey, this thing is bothering you, you really need to look at it. Because everything looks fine on the surface. But there's a feeling that something's just not right, that might be might manifest as anxiety, depression, just a feeling of unease. Being stuck having to deal with procrastination, maybe I'm not getting along in my relationships with people. These all cause issues, but they're things that we're suppressing and putting in the background. psychedelics will bring those things into light for us, as you say.Unknown Speaker 12:04 Awesome. SoAri Gronich 12:08 societal effects. So what do you think that the benefit to society itself, is when people begin to experiment more and heal their traumas, more from using psychedelics?Greg Lawrence 12:30 Well, I think it's very much like when people start down a path of personal or spiritual development. So there are two theories, I think you could say about when people start down that path. One is that I have 57 problems. And next week, I have 52. And a few weeks, I have 48. And then I have 37. And pretty soon I have 28 problems. And nothing outside of me has changed. All this changes my perception of what is a problem, when I'm making a problem out of it. The other theory is that I still have those 57 problems, it's just not a problem that I have them anymore. But I would say the societal effect is that I stopped perceiving that I have so many problems, ROM das said, the only thing that I can do for you is work on myself, the only thing that you can do for me is work on yourself. So when I have less problems, and you have less problems, there are two things that happen. The first thing is that there are less problems in the world. Now you and I each have you have 28, and I have 35. But there's not 114 anymore, so there are less problems in the world. The other thing that happens is now I know what kinds of things I might want to address, because if I have 57 problems, and I go out trying to solve all of those, I'm trying to solve Phantom problems in there somewhere. I'm trying to solve something that just seems like a problem to me. The more I can cut that down, the more I can focus on what might be real problems outside of myself, what things what kind of things I might want to see change, what kind of things I might want to contribute to what kind of world I want to see. That's the societal. The major one.Ari Gronich 14:03 Very cool, very cool. So at the end of my interviews, I always ask the same question. And that's three to four tips, tricks, actionable steps that somebody can take immediately to create a new tomorrow today for themselves and activate their vision for a better world.Greg Lawrence 14:24 There are two that I would give. One is to be more mindful whenever possible. So think about what you are doing as much as possible and don't be on autopilot. Move the trash can put your keys in a different place, park your car somewhere else. take a different route. When you go to the store, do anything you can to wake yourself up, brush your teeth with your non dominant hand, change your habits, stop doing things the same way. You've always done them because it has you on autopilot and you are responding to your environment in a particular way rather than thinking about what you're doing. The second is to cultivate an under Standing of the fact that it's okay to feel your feelings that there is no such thing as a wrong thought or emotion. There is no such thing as a wrong thought or emotion. You don't have to act on them. But the fact that you're angry, the fact that you feel hatred towards someone, the fact that you are ashamed of something, all of those things are perfectly welcome. And they will resolve themselves. Trying not to resolve them, is what keeps them in us and keeps us tied up. So learning to be mindful, feeling our feelings, untangle both of those things together a good mindfulness meditation practice would be very helpful.Ari Gronich 15:39 That's awesome. Yeah, sometimes I'll play ping pong left handed just to shift my my energy, especially when i get i do i do that with tennis also, just when i when i get stuck in that rut, you know, of playing and I'm, all of a sudden, I'm in this perpetual motion of of not doing what I know to do, I'll switch just to reset myself. So I love that. I also like, you know, writing with both hands at the same time, or shaking hands to write with the opposite hand, works the other side of your brain. And those are all very good things. And I never thought of really trying to do that while while in a psychedelic journey. But that might be an interesting experiment, as well as is switching hands while in the journey because that would trigger that other side of the brain that's maybe been non active or less active or deactivated. So it'd be an interesting experiment as well switch sides and see how well you write with the opposite side. You know, while in that in that space, because maybe cut girl for you.Greg Lawrence 17:00 I never thought of that. I definitely write better women psychedelics, for some reason. My writing is more legible. Is it? Is it? Yeah,Ari Gronich 17:09 I have doctor writing so. So you can I can hardly read my own writing. When I get into doctor mode, and I'm filling out, you know, forms and things like that. But it's, it's just an interesting thought that that you popped in my head was, okay, so what if we switched hands? while experiencing that? Are we going to switch because we're switching sides of brains? When we switch hands? Do we switch thoughts? Do we switch experiences? Do we switch to the things that we're not that are not in that automatic experience of life? You know,Unknown Speaker 17:46 I like that,Ari Gronich 17:47 how many people here in the audience have have experienced driving somewhere, and all of a sudden, you're on your way to work, but you were going somewhere else. But just the automatic response of I go this way, and I go to work, and all of a sudden you're like, Oh, wait, that's not where I was going? IGreg Lawrence 18:06 gotta go, sir. Yeah, or driving for two hours and realize you don't remember it? one bit of driving?Ari Gronich 18:14 Yeah, I always I, I've had that experience. I had that experience. Actually, once. When I did a vision quest, I was up on the mountain for four days, no food, no water, sweat lodges on both sides of the sweat. So I was completely dehydrated and completely into that spirit world. And when I was driving back, I was up in the mountains of Ohio, going back into LA. And if you can imagine the mountains of Ohio a very rural kind of environment, and then you get on the freeway going to LA and it's a very different experience. And it felt to me like I was not driving at all It felt like I was in the middle of a video game. And everything was coming towards me instead of me going forward. It was really fascinating. And then I was like, how did I? I'm like, I'm almost home. How did I get here? interesting experience. But yeah, I like it. Well, thank you, you know, so much for being on Greg. Is there anything? If anybody wants to get a hold of you? How did they get ahold of you? They want to experience or or just learn more about this, this adventure of plant medicines.Greg Lawrence 19:31 And you can find me at psychedelicintegrationspecialists.com and on Facebook, I'm psychedelic integration specialists. And you can always reach me at Greg@psychedelicintegrationspecialists calm. It's a lot of typing, but it works. Awesome.Ari Gronich 19:45 Thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate you coming on. And, you know, this is a controversial subject. And it's not something that I actually took lightly when I decided to invite Greg on I wanted to give you a perspective of what's possible in the world when we stopped closing our minds and start opening them up to those to those possibilities, and very cautiously and very safely and with a lot of education and research. And I just I wanted I was, I was just very sure that I wanted to have Greg on here because I wanted this perspective to to make it to the audience. So thank you so much for being here. Gray. 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What would you, Greg, you know, like to share about how you got into this field, and what about it is makes it so passionate for you?Greg Lawrence 1:36 Wow. Well, I mean, I got into it through experience about six years ago. Well, I should back up and say that I use psychedelics in my late teens through my late 20s. And unfortunately, in my late 20s, I also got mixed up with hard drugs, my life spiraled out of control pretty quickly. So I managed to scrape myself off of the bottom of the barrel and quit drugs, cold turkey, everything except cannabis cannabis, which I've used for many years after that, when I moved away from where I was, I stopped using everything but cannabis, and I live basically a suburban lifestyle for about 25 years. And about six years ago, my life got turned upside down through personal tragedy. I realized at that time, I had a lot of unresolved childhood trauma I hadn't dealt with, and I basically been hiding for a long time. So I started working with a psychotherapist, personal coach, and somewhere in there where I was smoking cigarettes and trying to quit, and my coach said, I think soul assignment helps with that. So I got some magic mushrooms and took them and had some epiphanies about what was going on in my life and the causes of the misery I was experiencing. And I thought, okay, now that I know where that came from, everything is going to change. And in about four or five weeks or so everything was just the same as it was. That happened a couple more times, then I stumbled across the concept of integration, and started going to integration groups, integration circles. And that's where we take the lesson from the experience, we try to integrate it into our lives by making some sort of shift or change in our lives. And I became fascinated with this. So I started studying it, I began leading the integration circles, I started working with people one on one, I eventually got certified as a psychedelic integration coach. And I've been a full time coach for almost three years now. But it was because it was something that was very helpful to me, you know, I was able to take the experiences that I had, and make some changes and shifts in my life, don't get me to where I am now, which is about 180 degrees from where I was six years ago, is a very angry, impatient person who wasn't very good in relationships, all that's changed for me. So it's a personal passion. And, you know, it is my passion to help pass this on to other people. I think this can be life changing.Ari Gronich 3:48 That's awesome. So, you know, tell me, what's the difference between the recreational use of psilocybin or other psychedelics and the, the therapy side of utilizing these medicines for taking care of emotional trauma and releasing, and so on, because, like you, I was a child doing certain things and and I find that as an adult, those experiences are much richer and greater and create more of a permanent change for me. So talk to us a little bit about the difference between the recreational side and the therapeutic side.Greg Lawrence 4:40 Well, I first want to say that I you know, there are a large part of the psychedelic community that uses the word recreational sort of a pejorative, like that's not the way you're supposed to do it. I don't believe that there should be any shoulds around psychedelic and I realized I use the word should to say that but Once you are safe and responsible, which means that you are not bringing harm to yourself or another person, I think if you want to experience a museum, a movie, some movie, or some food and other person's body nature, whatever you want through the lens of a psychedelic, I think that that's fantastic. People should be free to explore their consciousness in the world in a way that they want. But there is sometimes a thin line between recreational use and intentional use, I'll call it and maybe a little bit thicker line between intentional use and therapeutic use. So unintentional use, we spend a lot of time setting intentions, we try to pay attention to what's going on during the experience, and we try to integrate it afterwards. And therapeutic use, it might go a little bit deeper, we might actually use eyeshades and headphones with carefully curated music, we make sure that the person is prepared ahead of time for the experience, and especially prepared for any possibly disturbing images or memories, or anything that might scare or upset them. Because that's a very important part of the process for them to understand that that is part of the process. And it's something to be experienced, not something to run from. And I would say in therapeutic use when you talk about things like the clinical studies that are going on with places like maps, and in places like NYU, Johns Hopkins, and so forth. There is a significant therapeutic component on each side of each experience. So you will have therapy beforehand, to prepare you sort of explore what's going on with you and see what your issues are a lot of therapy after the experience to help integrate that experience.Ari Gronich 6:35 What about therapy during the experience, that'sGreg Lawrence 6:38 known as psycholytic therapy. And that's not something that's done very much. There are a few places in Europe that do this with MDMA. It's not something that's done much with psychedelics like LSD or psilocybin. They don't really lend themselves to therapy. And really, there is a theory that there's an inner healer within, you know, within you, that knows the issues better than anyone else could try to guess. So sometimes I started with MDMA, but in the vast majority of experiences, people have an internal experience, and then they do the therapy before afterwards. And before.Ari Gronich 7:11 Got it. So one of the things that I utilize in my practice has been psychedelic therapy with bodywork and deep emotional release breathwork. And I've, I've always found that the issues are in the tissues. And when you combine those two things, you can really, really get permanent clearing of the issues that are in the tissues, because you're breathing it out, the body's being moved through it, the places where the traumas are, are being literally touched. So there's like a spotlight on those places. And then the medicine does its work of allowing those things and those traumas to release. Have you ever experienced that or heard of that kindGreg Lawrence 8:10 of work? Yeah, I do energy work myself, I practice personally trauma release exercises. So I realize there is both a psychological and a somatic component to the issues that people are facing. And that trauma is held in the body. So in the work that I do with people in preparing them or helping them to work with these medicines, because what I do is I work with people before and after, as an integration coach, I help prepare them for any experience. And I help them integrate the experience the middle part they do on their own or with someone else. So in my preparation, sometimes I try to determine which mode which would be better for a particular person. Because there is a way from disconnecting from the story in your head, and just experiencing what's happening in your body as issues come up. There is a way of diving deeper into the story in your head to see what kind of resolution you can get. And there's a combination of the two where you can be experiencing something and your body will you know, you can experience the past in your body while you're in the present in your head. So all those can be very helpful. But yeah, there's a significant somatic component. I think, too, especially trauma.Ari Gronich 9:18 Absolutely. I've I think Burning Man was my first experience with psilocybin in a therapeutic healing, you know, manner. And I think I was about 2627 at the time. And we had somebody who couldn't hear out of her ear since she was like five years old, and about a two and a half, three hour session. We were done. She could hear out of her ear. It was really fascinating. And that's what interested me originally in psilocybin and psychedelics as therapeutic healing tools. What about micro dosing? And I know this is becoming especially within like the Silicon Valley crowd, it's becoming a pretty regular thing to do micro dosing of these, these things, what are the effects? What are the side effects? if any? What is it that you're experiencing with a micro dose of a psychedelic?Greg Lawrence 10:27 Well, I just first want to say that micro dosing has exploded outside of Silicon Valley. So I take monitor and take part in a lot of online groups, and a lot of Facebook groups and online forums that are specifically about micro dosing. And there are people coming to these groups every day, dealing with issues like anxiety, depression, OCD, traumatic brain injury, you know, childhood trauma. And these are people who aren't even considering using psychedelics in the classic sense, they just want to take advantage of the effects of micro dosing. And I also want to say that there is scant scientific evidence that micro dosing actually has an effect just because there's been almost no research done on it. It's still in process. But you know, for all we know, a lot of these things are the placebo or placebo effect, if they are fantastic. Yay, placebo, I say. But micro dosing is the consumption of sub perceptual amounts of generally, LSD or psilocybin, people microdose all kinds of substances, but we're generally talking about LSD or psilocybin, when someone says micro dosing, the effects are generally not felt. And that's kind of the idea. You know, psychedelics are sort of a cathartic experience, they do what therapy does, they bring the unconscious to the conscious, so difficult emotional and psychological material surfaces very gradually in therapy, and eventually, we feel kind of crappy, we process these things, and we feel our feelings, we get it out of us. psychedelics want to do this very quickly. Micro dosing does this very gradually in the background, so there's not too much for some people. It's very comparable to taking a nootropic or a smart drug, where you just feel kind of sharp, on together, it's very easy to forget that you've microdose when you're doing classic micro dosing, you might just feel good, I'm just having a great day. And then oh, yeah, I did a micro dose this morning, you might just feel good, better or not as bad. Some people see pretty immediate relief from things like anxiety and depression, symptoms of OCD. And some people you know, conditions like bipolar, usually contraindications for using psychedelics, but people with bipolar disorder, or micro dosing and getting some benefit from it. I want to say that people with those disorders should use caution when they're micro dosing, you should always do always do plenty of research and find out what the risks are. But so far, as far as drugs go, physiologically, psilocybin is one of the safest substances you can take. You know, I've seen a chart when they show the relative safety of different drugs based on things like emergency room visits, 911 calls, psilocybin is at the bottom, it's underneath aspirin and tobacco, it's one of the safest things physiologically that you can take. So taking in minute quantities. So far hasn't been shown to have any ill effects physiologically. Now, micro dosing can do things like bring emotions close to the surface. Some of these things are dose dependent. So some cautions I give people is that if you do a little bit extra, if you go somewhere between a micro dose and a regular dose, you could get stuck in a sort of an uncomfortable space where things are starting to come up. But you never get to that place where they start processing. So you can just be sort of jittery, anxious, nervous, sweaty, just uncomfortable in general, emotions can be close to the surface. So in these forums, I regularly see people saying things like, you know, expected micro dosing to be sort of calming to me, but I find that I'm very irritable, I'm crying for no reason, I'm angry at my children having trouble controlling myself. I'm sweating a lot. I'm not comfortable, I'm not sleeping, I'm too tired. Many of the times I see these things are dose dependent, people are just taking too much. So it's generally advisable to take about one 10th of a normal dose that is, in general, somewhere around 10 micrograms of LSD, although people do less or more, and it's somewhere around 100 or 200 milligrams of psilocybin, although people do less or more, it's got a lot to do with tolerance, your specific conditions, your environment, etc. There's no standard microdose just like there's no standard dose of psychedelics,Ari Gronich 14:35 right, is it is this kind of a medicine weight reliance, like if somebody is heavier or lighter, or does that not matter muchGreg Lawrence 14:47 psychedelics have very little to do with body mass, weight, height, etc. They're sort of like psychotropic drugs like antidepressants. There's a standard dosage but you know, three grams of mushrooms can really send a 300 pound person into the sky and do nothing for 100 pound person depends on the person's receptors, their own tolerance, etc.Ari Gronich 15:09 Okay, so what is the chemistry that happens in your brain when you are micro dosing and when you're macro dosing,Greg Lawrence 15:17 micro dosing, we don't have as much evidence about exactly what happens when you take the medicine. But for a standard dose of say serotonergic, psychedelics, LSD, psilocybin, mescaline. They are serotonin agonists. So they will latch on to your serotonin receptors. serotonin is known as the feel good neurotransmitter, it's the feel good chemical. These substances don't release more serotonin into your system, they just kind of mimic serotonin. Once they grab onto that receptor and start mimicking serotonin, what happens on the other side is not exactly clear, physiologically. There are a lot of technical things that happen. What basically happens though, is that difficult things start to try to come to the surface for you sort of the opposite of the action of an antidepressant antidepressant takes those difficult feelings and tries to just push them down here, so you don't have to deal with them. psychedelics do the opposite. We try to bring them to the surface so that you'll experience them process them.Ari Gronich 16:17 So it sounds like it's basically turning the light into the dark, you know, like you put a flashlight in where you've been dark. And so all of a sudden, you can see what is going on and spotlight itGreg Lawrence 16:30 correct. Yeah, psychedelics are what are called nonspecific amplifiers of consciousness. So what will often happen is something that is bothering you that you've been suppressing something you didn't realize was important to you. Something that is a problem for you that you've been ignoring, will come to the surface. I'll give you a perfect example of this. young man who who called me he had had a difficult journey on mushrooms. And the following happened to him. He grew up in a small town in the Midwest at the same friends all of his life, went through grade school all the way through high school with them. good looking guy, very athletic, very popular, always had girlfriends ton of friends. He said he never had to try too hard to do anything. The major he wanted to take in college was different than that of his friends. So he ended up going out of state where he knew nobody. Suddenly the guy is 19. And he has no friends and no prospects and doesn't know what to do. He realizes I've never had to make friends from scratch. It just always has been there. And he's kind of lonely and a little bit desperate. Luckily, he finds these three guys were just great. he clicks with them immediately. They like to joke around with him. They include him as part of their gang. And he's hanging out with these guys for a couple of weeks. And they say, Hey, we're going to go to the forest and do mushrooms this weekend, would you like to go? He says, Yeah, I'd like that. He's been hearing about this, he wants to try it. They go to the forest, they find a spot, they take the mushrooms. And about 45 minutes later, while they're all talking, this guy realized this, these are terrible people. They're not joking around with me, they're insulting me and where I'm from. They're racist or misogynist. They're just not the kind of people I want to be with at all. So he spent about three hours being around these people who made him feel very unsafe. That was the bad experience he had. But that just shows you what happens in our everyday consciousness. There are things that bother us every day that we just sort of put to the side, we take these substances, and it says, Hey, this thing is bothering you, you really need to look at it. Because everything looks fine on the surface. But there's a feeling in us that something's just not right, that might be might manifest as anxiety, depression, just a feeling of unease. Being stuck having to deal with procrastination, maybe I'm not getting along in my relationships with people. These all cause issues, but they're things that we're suppressing and putting in the background. psychedelics will bring those things into light for us, as you say.Unknown Speaker 18:55 Awesome. SoAri Gronich 18:57 let's, uh, you know, you're talking about college. So I have kids in college. They obviously have had experiences the kids that I know, with, with psychedelics, with other kinds of things. But as an as a college student, who's experimenting with their minds, what are the precautions other than, like, you kind of brought it up with making sure that the space and the people you're with are safe for you, but what are the other kinds of precautions that you would give to kids that are attempting to experiment with these things and may or may not really know the power of them?Greg Lawrence 19:46 Yeah, firstly, I would say that although I am what I would consider to be a psychedelic advocate psychedelics are not for everyone. So I would advise anyone to do their research and find out if they have any psychological, medical or physical contrary indication. Because they don't work for everyone. if they have any significant psychological issues, they might want to also look up a therapist in case anything difficult comes up so they can work that out with them afterwards, you definitely want to pay attention to a separate setting. So set is my psychological set, how I'm feeling, how things are going for me what kind of problems Am I might have right now. And setting is my physical studying, including the people around me. Now I said psychedelics are amplifiers. If you are going to do psychedelics, if you're going to be around someone that you don't like, just be aware of the fact that that's going to be amplified for you. And that might make things make things very difficult, should always be comfortable with the people you're going to do psychedelics with, if you're going to do them with other people, I would say that you should do them with at least a sitter, if you have not experienced these substances before, in case you need assistance in some way.Ari Gronich 20:55 Kind of like my driver.Greg Lawrence 20:57 I'm sorry, whatAri Gronich 20:58 kind of like a designated driver.Greg Lawrence 21:00 Yeah, should be someone who has experience with psychedelics, preferably, so that they understand what you're going through, who knows what to do and what not to do. Because once having a difficult time, sometimes it should be talked through it and not down or out of it. Sometimes people have to process something. So telling someone that a difficult memory wasn't that bad is not what you should be doing. When something's going on, someone's going through that experience, holding their hand, getting them some water, keeping them safe, all allowable things, but don't try to characterize their experience. But you just want someone who's going to be there in case you need help in some way. And I would also say that intention setting is very important. You know, you don't go in trying to control the experience. But do do think you do think at a very high level. What is it? I'm trying to get from this experience? Where am I going? What am I wanting? Okay, soAri Gronich 21:49 what you're saying, what I'm hearing, is that you want to be really cognizant of what it is that you're doing. And make sure you've researched enough. Make sure that you have somebody here somebody in your space that's safe, and somebody that's in your space that is already done what you're about to do so that you have a guide,Unknown Speaker 22:24 basically,Greg Lawrence 22:24 correct. Yeah, rather than a guide, I would say someone just to be there to make sure that you're safe.Ari Gronich 22:30 Okay. So Iosco is a little bit different you have to have kind of a guide, right? Have you had any experience with Iowa SCA and and what's your take on kind of the differences between the twoGreg Lawrence 22:46 you know, psychedelics end up taking you to sort of the same place in a different way, you know, it's getting to the same location or different vehicle, I have lost could can have a very heavy body load. Meaning I feel it in my body that often causes people to purge in one way or another that made through faith through vomiting, diarrhea, sweating, crying, what have you, but I watched it can be a very difficult experience to have a very difficult substance to work with. But also all the psychedelics can is generally done like you said, in a group setting, under the supervision of a shaman or a facilitator. shaman tends to be an indigenous person who has a lineage she's learned from facilitator, someone who's learned how to work with the medicine. And they generally there's generally live music played in the form of Ikaros. Those are songs that were written by Alaska for I Alaska that have a lot of power can help guide the music through your body or help get you through difficult situations. So I mean, my cautions would be the same as they would with any other psychedelic, make sure it's for you. And there are some physiological considerations with Iosco too. There are certain foods you shouldn't be eating and certain medications you can't be taking before you do Iosco that should all be given to you by a facilitator or shaman before you ever sit with the medicine.Ari Gronich 24:09 Right? me what I guess what I was trying to get two was the chemical difference. I know Iosco is being used quite a lot in some places to get people clean off of heroin and opioids. And so I was just trying to draw out some of the chemical differences between what happens in your brain for when you know, with these different substances, because each one they take you to fairly similar places. However, the chemical storm that happens in your brain might be a little bit shifted.Greg Lawrence 24:48 You know, I uh, wasco is a combination of DMT, a DMT, containing plant dimethyltryptamine and an MA o inhibitor because there's an enzyme in your called mono amine oxidize, and that will kill certain things to keep it from getting into your body, including DMT. So when you take an MA o inhibitor, it allows the DMT to be metabolized by your body. So chemically, it's probably a little bit different, but how it works psychologically, what it does, once you get in you is different for every person. You know, we all have defenses built up against words. So if I don't think that I am deserving of love, literally everyone around me until they tell me that I am, but it just doesn't get through. So psychedelics will do some very novel and unusual things with us, they might play games or simulations, they might make us feel a certain way provoke emotions in us, they might show us stories or metaphors, or myths of some kind. They may show us our own lives from a detached perspective, but they'll do a lot of things to get messages through to us that we wouldn't get otherwise. So what happens when you take a psychedelic of any kind is different for every person every time they take it?Unknown Speaker 26:02 Absolutely. SoAri Gronich 26:04 let's go through some of the different psychedelics and what what you might want to take each one for, like, I know this big trend and combo are frog medicine. You know, you have pod masculine, you know, LSD, MDMA, to CB, the Alexander Shogun medicines. So what is it that each one like if you were to have a menu item, you know, you go into a restaurant and you have menu, and it you know, has all the different kinds and then it would have a description on the, you know, the thing that you might want to take this one for versus this one versus that one.Greg Lawrence 26:50 I don't like assigning a purpose, except that I will say that there is you mentioned, heroin and opioid addiction. So there's a substance called Ibogaine. This is the active ingredient and a root bark from West Africa called Iboga. It's an extremely powerful psychedelic, it may leave someone basically immobilized for 24 to 36 hours. It's very hard on the heart and the liver, people actually have to have an EKG and a liver panel done before they undergo this treatment. But Ibogaine has been shown to be very effective in addressing opioid and heroin addiction, because it goes into resets the receptors and it sort of takes you through a journey that lets you see what happened to get you where you are. And it usually almost eliminates or completely eliminates any desire to the substance once you come out. So that is a very powerful substance that is used for psycho spiritual purposes and in addition to be using for addiction, but it's a very powerful and sometimes dangerous substance, there have been hundreds of deaths from people who should not have been taking that substance due to something like a cardiac condition or medication they were taking or some sort of drug that they were on that they shouldn't have been at the time. There is a substance called Five m e o DMT. That is a substance that is a short acting, you know, 15 to 45 minutes, but in a sufficient dose it it produces an instantaneous ego death. So, the thing that makes me think that I am Greg and not a part of the universe sort of disappears for a while not become one with everything. There is also a danger sometimes of doing too much of that substance, people can become ungrounded unbalanced and, you know, a lot of integration and a lot of care afterwards, you know, having your world sort of taken apart in front of you and then put back together can be difficult to times. I would say the facilitation is key in that you should always work with the skilled experienced facilitator when working with that substance.Ari Gronich 28:51 There is in in DMTGreg Lawrence 28:53 that is another short acting rapid onset psychedelic that you think through vaporizing through smoking basically, and works instantaneously for anywhere from 15 to 45 minutes, and is highly visual and psychedelic. People have reported things like talking to entities or entering into other universes living other lifetimes to very powerful substance. Then I would sort of stack in the classic psychedelics. Oh, excuse me, I should mention MDMA. MDMA is sort of methamphetamine. But it's an pathogen. It's a heart opener. It's what's being used in the in the studies for clinical treatment resistant PTSD for veterans by maps, the multidisciplinary Association for psychological for scientific studies, excuse me, psychedelic studies. Sometimes when people have severe p. e, it's hard for them to even talk about what happened to them without being thrown back into the event. Under the influence of MDMA, MDMA, people are actually able to view their trauma with their fight or flight response. Once down, it slows down the amygdala, lets you see your trauma back then. And you hear and understand that that was then and this is now in your safe now. And helps people rapidly get to the point where they can start working with therapists on the issue once they've spoken about it.Ari Gronich 30:14 So let's say someone that I would, sorry, let's say somebody was, somebody had been sexually abused, right? When they were a child. And now they're, they're experiencing relationship issues and things and, you know, they, they feel like they've gotten over that experience that doesn't necessarily trigger them, they can talk about it, and so on and so forth. But then, they still are having relationship issues, is that something that might be of support for somebody who's experiencing that kind of a trauma over and over and over again, in their minds?Greg Lawrence 30:58 Well, I do want to point out that all of these studies, for instance, with maps, these are called MDMA, it's called MDMA assisted psychotherapy. So it's never a therapy assisted psychedelics and psychedelic assisted therapy, the therapy is a very important component, someone with the kind of issues that you're describing might benefit from working with a coach or a psychotherapist, but certainly a substance like MDMA, or a substance like a classic psychedelic of LSD or psilocybin, something like that could be useful to someone if they're prepared to use it in an intentional way. And sometimes they don't even have to be prepared to use an intention away, sometimes things come to you and those experiences, but it's very important. Once again, to integrate those experiences afterwards, I can be shown the exact moment when my trauma was born, that doesn't necessarily do anything for me to resolve that trauma that doesn't fix the patterns that are resulting from that.Unknown Speaker 31:54 So what doesGreg Lawrence 31:56 psychotherapy does, you know, I work with a combination of I'm not a therapist, I'm a coach, but I work with cognitive behavioral therapy, neuro linguistic programming, and a number of personal and spiritual development disciplines to help people break patterns to make changes in their lives to basically have choices. You know, when something happens to us, we tend to dig a very deep neural pathway that says, This is what I'm going to do when this happens to me, I'm going this way, it just becomes automatic after a while, it's like putting on a seatbelt in the car, you don't think about it anymore. It's just what happens. What we have to do is use the same mechanism that Doug that grew to dig another group, so at least you have some choice sometimes, so that you are more mindful and aware of what you are doing. So that you have another choice besides the automatic choice that used to happen all the time.Ari Gronich 32:43 All right, so do we know if those neural pathways actually atrophy or if they, the trauma, neural pathway atrophies if you create the other, the other?Greg Lawrence 32:56 You know, one of the things that happens in the aftermath of a psychedelic experience is called neuroplasticity, that is the ability to easily form new neural pathways, new habits, patterns, new ways of thinking, being and doing. So if you can take advantage of those and you start using those new neural pathways, yes, after a while the other ones sort of fade and well, sort of atrophy. They're not guaranteed to go away. But that is something that happens in that process.Ari Gronich 33:22 Gotcha. So do you think that it's, I know, you're an advocate. But let's say there's a lot of trauma obviously, going on in the world right now. And, you know, my personal belief is that if more people were to experiment with these kinds of ways of doing therapy, we'd have a lot less problems and a lot more understanding and love and care for, you know, our communities, because we'll have a much broader perspective. So I know it's starting to get a little more mainstream to legalize in some of the liberal states. But you know, what, what is? What is the reason why we would want psychedelics to remain illegal? Because there's got to be at least one reason. And then what are the reasons that making them legal, are going to be beneficial? And then the last part of that is, should the legality be therapeutic only or should it be a combination of recreational and medical?Greg Lawrence 34:42 Well, there is an answer to one of your questions in your question, and that is, what is the problem with them becoming legal? The problem that some people have with them becoming legal is that they are sometimes and so let's take the map studies. If the map the map studies are in phase three, now clinical excuse Using MDMA assisted therapy to treat treatment resistant PTSD. Now, if those studies go well, in phase three, this could be a prescribed herbal treatment in 2021, or 2022. When that happens, that means that MDMA will be available by prescription in a very lengthy protocol, that's probably going to cost somewhere between 15 and $20,000 per round of treatment. Okay, so now we have MDMA, sort of in the public domain, but still not available to me. I'm a very strong believer in cognitive liberty. There is no truth to the assertion that psychedelics have no medical value, that they are highly prone to abuse and all the other reasons that were given to make them schedule one. They were made schedule one for various reasons, but not for the reasons that were stated by the government. I personally believe one of the very big reasons they were taken out of the public domain is because people were walking off the battlefield in Vietnam. In a country that is built on consumerism, a country that is built on capitalism has to have an operating army, and can't have people on mass saying, I am not going to a foreign country to kill people for you. That's one reason they were taken out of the public domain. So I believe in cognitive liberty, I believe that these substances that do not harm me should be available, available to me, with all the usual precautions, and so forth. I mean, the things that I can go and buy right now from a store, I can buy alcohol, as much as I would like to drink myself into a stupor and kill myself with it. It's almost impossible to do that with psychedelics, but those are not available to me. So, this is one problem that people have with legalization as legalization sometimes leads to medicalization, I can get these to a doctor, I can get them through an authority, I can get them through an intermediary. Mushrooms grow in the ground, no one should be able to come between me and a substance that grows on the ground. That helps me to explore my own consciousness. That's my belief. Okay, next part of that question. Next part was, what is the problem with legalization you asked? Right, butAri Gronich 37:10 the medical versus recreational? So I'm asking I get your belief. But I'm asking what are the reasons to go against that belief that you have what what is what is the excuse? What is the reason for keeping that substance away? IsGreg Lawrence 37:31 there a do want me to take the counter position?Ari Gronich 37:33 Is there Yes, I do. Is there a danger of having a psychological break? This is some of the fears that people are having. So yes, I want you to take a contra position to your own position.Greg Lawrence 37:45 The counter position is that psychologically, that psychedelics should be used with caution, they are not for everyone, everyone is not going to be prepared to use them. And things like bad trips usually come from people who shouldn't be taking psychedelics, who has some sort of contrary indication, we're not properly prepared for that experience. They can unbalance people, they can throw them into a state of unease, and they can bring up latent mental illness people. Someone with dormant psychosis can have that activated by a psychedelic experience. So yes, there should be caution education and a big wrapper of harm reduction around these substances.Ari Gronich 38:23 So basically, what I'm hearing is that any of the reasons why you would not want to do something, are for the reason of safety. And most of that safety can be alleviated with education.Greg Lawrence 38:45 I believe that, but I also believe that there's nothing that's forever. So I hear memes, like, you know, all politicians need to take LSD or cops need to do a walk or something like that. That's not how it works. These things are amplifiers of consciousness and of ego. So there are plenty of racist and nationalist who takes psychedelics and it strengthens their worldview. It doesn't automatically fix everything for us. Someone has to want to heal, they have have got to have a desire to change. If you want them to change the use of these substances, they don't automatically change people for the better. There are plenty of people who have their ego strengthened through the use of psychedelics. So they're definitely not a panacea. They're not for everyone. They should not be used universally. Some people just aren't going to like the experience. Some people don't wish to be introspective. Some people like themselves the way they are and they don't want to change or feel that they need to. So these are for people who believe that they might work for them. Okay,Ari Gronich 39:44 so the next question becomes what age should somebody start the process of experimenting? Because I know a lot of kids 16 should do you know 14 1516 in high school, They experiment, yet their brains are not fully developed yet. Is there damage that can be done for the young, developed brain? Or is that just a thing that we can ignore as long as they have the education of what it's for?Greg Lawrence 40:17 Well, I don't think it's a thing we can ignore him. We're a society that already puts age limits on certain substances and certain activities. So I don't think we can just take something that is a as potentially powerful as a psychedelic and take the brakes off of it. I think you're correct, that brains are not fully formed until someone's in their early 20s. Now I'm going against my own experience. I was doing psychedelics when I was 1617 years old, I believe I benefited from that. But since I've already done that, I don't have to prove anymore. No, actually, I would say that there's no definitive proof that there is harm to a person from doing psychedelics of a certain age. But there's no proof that there's not, we don't know what we don't know. So if I were to personally have to make the rules, I would say I would exercise caution in that area. Exactly where I draw that line, it's hard to say,Ari Gronich 41:07 okay, so do you think that your early childhood use of the psychedelics was a gateway to the harder drugs that you started to take afterwards? No, IGreg Lawrence 41:17 think that my trauma was a gateway to the harder drugs I started taking afterwards. And was probably one of the more sensible things that I did, you know, the drugs that I did later on helped me escape from reality. psychedelics helped to illuminate my reality. And for all I know, maybe the fact that I was doing psychedelics, becoming more aware of my issues, and not working through them, sort of tipped me into an area where I wanted to use other drugs. I have no idea.Ari Gronich 41:42 So I said, I want to play this out, because I, you know, the contrary. And the reasons for are as important, each thing is as important, right. So one of the issues that people have with marijuana is they think that it's a gateway drug. I believe that trauma, as you said, is the gateway to all bad behavior in general, trauma equals bad behavior, trauma, this trauma, that trauma and needs really, are the things that lead to the bad behavior, bad, bad results. So that's where the question comes in, is, I want to, I want both sides of the subject to be illuminated, so that if people decide I don't want this show to be a deciding factor for them, to either try or not try, right, I want them to have as much information as possible. But let me ask you this question. Because, you know, we're going through this amazing year. And I believe that, well, there's there's a lot of suicides that are happening, a lot of domestic violence that's happening, a lot of alcohol abuse that's happening during this quarantining and isolating, and I believe that psychedelics would help people who are faced with this isolation and looking for a reason to illuminate their, their traumas, because a lot of people are sitting in their trauma, and not really able to express it outwards, because they're just sitting there isolated and alone. So yeah, that's, that's what I where I want to go with that question.Greg Lawrence 43:40 Well, I would say that there are two sides to that coin. Definitely. So let's say in this, do you have people who are lonely who may not be in an ideal relationship? Um, if I become aware of the fact that there's not an ideal relationship, if that surface, if that is that is spotlighted for me through the psychedelic experience. Now, where am I? I'm not happy in the relationship. I'm going to have to go and be isolated somewhere I've sort of stuck I have limited choices right now. Same thing for someone in an abusive relationship. What do I do now? Now I'm in this time now, and then this restricted time, and I sort of stuck in this relationship. And that's been illuminated for me. I think people have more trouble now getting support for issues that may come up. So yeah, psychedelics may help some people in these situations, they may not be especially helpful in this time when people were restricted, locked down, and sort of stuck in certain situations with limited choices, and limited assistance. I think that's key always with psychedelic experience. Having some having some assistance beforehand, and afterwards, I think is key. That's where everything gets worked out. You can have things shown to you, and you can understand that something's a problem. And you can understand where your trauma came from. All these things can be perfectly obvious to you. But that doesn't change the fact that you we're reacting to what's happening in front of you based on past events. You know, changing those patterns and undoing those triggers is key to that.Ari Gronich 45:09 You know, it's interesting when I was dealing with detoxifying, I have a brain tumor that I've had since I was about seven years old, at least symptom wise, probably since I was born. It's a pituitary tumor. And it triggers all kinds of hormone imbalances and chemical imbalances in my, in my body. And so I was going through a detoxification, I lost about 140 pounds during that detox, even though doctors told me that I would never lose weight. And I would, at home, basically, take a dose of mushrooms, and then put on hypnosis, videos and brain training videos and things that are uplifting. I'd listened to Jim Rohn. And, you know, Les Brown and Tony Robbins while I was in those situations, and, and then I would have whatever explosion in a mirror that I would have for two or three hours of crying and staring in the mirror. And then I'd go back to Okay, let me integrate that a little bit. You know, it was it was an interesting experiment. Because typically, I've, I've not done that as a loan. Alone, you know, medicine, I haven't done the medicine alone. I've been in a group with a therapy, or I've done the therapy on people, but I haven't been in that process of doing it alone. I'm not sure that I would recommend it, but because it is really powerful and, and difficult. And I probably would have preferred to have had a guide or a, you know, somebody there with me that that was making sure I was okay. But, you know, what, what's your take on doing psychedelics alone. Other than microdoseGreg Lawrence 47:21 That's true. I think most of the time when I do psychedelics, I do them alone. You know, there are ceremonial settings where there are other people around, but you know, I often do them alone. I'm used to them, I know their effects. I know all the safety protocols, losing my headphone here. And I will often work with music, I'll listen to something inspirational or something educational, or listen to binary old beats, or solfeggio tones or something like that. So yeah, I do about the same thing. I'll work through my issue. Sometimes it's more fun, sometimes it's more work. But once you know how you're going to react, once you know that you're safe at a certain level, once you're aware of all the risks, and so forth, once you know how to prepare and how to integrate, then, you know, I think working alone is great. And I usually caution people, if you're going to do psychedelics with people, make sure you know who the people are in your comfort level with them. Otherwise, you're going to be projecting things outward, that is going to distract you the whole time, and can make it a very unpleasant experience.Ari Gronich 48:23 So what happens when something comes up, that's really, really hard to process and you're alone in in that,Greg Lawrence 48:30 for me personally, or for someone else,Ari Gronich 48:33 for anybody, if they're in that position of I'm doing this alone, and I'm listening to these things, and then something pops in or comes up that is just like really, really, really hard to handle that it would be nice to have somebody there to help you go through it. Is that where you where you would say, time to call me kind of thing.Greg Lawrence 49:03 Someone can do that. But I would certainly prepare someone beforehand by telling them that there is nothing that happens in the psychedelic experience that happens for any other reason than for your healing. So something difficult may come up. And if it feels like it's too much, that's just your brain telling you that it's too much. The only thing that's going to happen is there's going to be a feeling in your body and a story in your head. That's all that's going to happen. And if it's really, really bad, there's a good chance that you're pushing it away or resisting it. You know, fear of pain is often much worse than the pain would ever be. So what happens is we have a painful experience, most of the time in childhood or when we're small. And then our brainstem center protects us and says you need to stay away from them. That's very, very scary, you know, for for better or worse, our brains think would be a very bad idea for us to change. So they protect these traumas very strongly. And they put all Have guards around them. Sometimes those guards are scary feelings, like it feels like if I start getting angry, if I start getting sad, I'm just going to be carried away somewhere, it's too much. The best thing you can possibly do when it feels like you can't possibly surrender to something that happens in the psychedelic experience is to surrender to it, to let go and to fall into it, you probably didn't take too much, you probably won't be stuck where you are, you're not going to die, you're not going to start stop breathing, you're not going to go crazy. Those are all things your mind wants to tell, might want to tell you to keep you away from this scary thing. But that scary thing is what's haunting you from the inside. It's the reason that you're looking for an answer, it's a reason things don't seem quite right to you. Like there's something that needs to be fixed, why there's just something wrong with me, and I just don't fit in somehow. And I'm always going to be a little bit deficient somehow. Those are the things causing these feelings on us. So there is no such thing as a wrong thought, emotion, memory or image. They can't be wrong, they can't kill you, they can be experienced, one of the best things you can do is feel the feelings that come up. We don't like to be mad, and we don't like to be sad. We have reflexes built up to tell us not to feel these things at any cost. Sometimes, this is what's happening when something very disturbing comes up in the psychedelic experience.Ari Gronich 51:27 So are there any good techniques? So say somebody is alone and and in their? in their journey? And something comes up? Are there any techniques that they can do in order to calm that down? or express it more so that it can be integrated and released? Or is that just an after session kind of thing?Greg Lawrence 51:57 No, I think beforehand, one of the best things you can do is to build a strong mindfulness meditation practice, where you are observing what is happening in your body and in your head. While it's happening while not being attached to it. build up a strength practice like this. And pretty soon you can be watching the changes and shifts and emotions of all kinds that happen to you, without guarding against them, or thinking there's something wrong with them. This in the psychedelic experience can be valuable, because then you can observe a feeling of terror in your body and realize it's just a feeling in your body. That's human emotions, our emotions are stories tied to feelings in our bodies. So if I can get to a place of just experiencing what's going into my body, and realizing there's a story in my head that I don't have to climb into that thought it can be there and it can be okay. But I don't have to be that thought in the moment. That can be very helpful. Saving, save that I would say, breathe deeply, and relax and realize that you're going to be okay. This is happening for you. It's happening for a reason. And you're going to be okay, you're actually resolving something from the past. Breathe deeply and relax and remember that you're going to be okay. And this is going to be over soon. You know, it's like you're going through a tunnel, it may seem dark, but there's light just up the head. Just hang on, you'll be fine.Ari Gronich 53:20 Awesome. So, in, in conclusion, what are the things like the top five things that you want people to get about this medicine or these medicines and how they can be usedGreg Lawrence 53:40 for your good psychedelics can help us enjoy the world. And they can help us realize that really, for the most part, nothing's wrong. What's wrong is the way that we're thinking about things in our head. I mean, that's a common occurrence that people have. It's one of the deepest experiences I ever had was realizing at a very deep level, that right now nothing's wrong. I might feel like I need to do something or something needs to change or something needs to be adjusted. But that's just something that I've got, I have the impression of that's something that happens to me. But right now, nothing's wrong. So they can help us with things like radical acceptance. With realizing that right now, no matter how I feel, the feeling is okay. The problem is when I say Oh, shit, I feel that way. having anxiety is not a big deal. But as soon as I say, Oh my god, how do I get rid of this anxiety? Now I have a problem. Because I'm not feeling the anxiety. I'm not processing my feelings. I'm compounding with these things. I'm creating a neurosis. I'm making levels here. So I try to accept the anxiety if I can't, maybe I think there's a problem. I think I think maybe I can accept the fact that there's a problem with the anxiety. If I can accept that. Maybe I can accept the fact that I can't accept that. It's a process people should be prepared when they start to work with psychedelics, and they shouldn't be prepared to work with them material that comes up afterwards. Now I tend to overconfident about these things, someone might listen to me and say, Oh my God, I've been able a psychological material come up, it's going to be difficult, going to be scared, and then have the most beautiful experience of their life. That's also an option. I'm just here to caution because I think people are under caution. And they hear things like there's no such thing as a bad trip. So I want them to understand that if this happens during your journey, it's not a mistake. It's one of the things that happens to feature on a bug. With micro dosing, I'd like people to know that a lot of the side effects are unpleasant effects that they feel are sometimes dose dependent. So maybe look at your dose, there's a lot of misinformation online about taking as much as you can, or you're supposed to work through your anxiety or do some sort of breathing or listen to binaural beats to calm down. But really, you don't have to feel that way. You don't have to feel the dose microdosing is in the background.Ari Gronich 55:58 societal effects. So what do you think that the benefit to society itself is when people begin to experiment more and heal their traumas more from using psychedelics?Greg Lawrence 56:21 Well, I think it's very much like when people start down a path of personal or spiritual development. So there are two theories, I think you could say about when people start down that path. One is that I have 57 problems. And next week, I have 52. And a few weeks, I have 48. And then I have 37. And pretty soon I have 28 problems. And nothing outside of me has changed. All this changes my perception of what is a problem when I'm making a problem. Now, the other theory is that I still have those 57 problems, it's just not a problem that I have them anymore. But I would say the societal effect is that I stopped perceiving that I have so many problems, Rahm das said, the only thing that I can do for you is work on myself, the only thing that you can do for me is work on yourself. So when I have less problems, and you have less problems, there are two things that happen. The first thing is that there are less problems in the world. Now you and I each have you have 28, and I have 35. But there's not 114 anymore, so there are less problems in the world. The other thing that happens is now I know what kind of things I might want to address, because if I have 57 problems, and I go out trying to solve all of those, I'm trying to solve Phantom problems in there somewhere. I'm trying to solve something that just seems like a problem to me. The more I can cut that down, the more I can focus on what might be real problems outside of myself, what things what kind of things I might want to see change, what kind of things I might want to contribute to what kind of world I want to see. That's the societal. The major one.Ari Gronich 57:54 Very cool, very cool. So at the end of my interviews, I always ask the same question. And that's three to four tips, tricks, actionable steps that somebody can take immediately to create a new tomorrow today for themselves and activate their vision for a better world.Greg Lawrence 58:15 There are two that I would give. One is to be more mindful whenever possible. So think about what you are doing as much as possible and don't be on autopilot. Move the trash can put your keys in a different place, park your car somewhere else take a different route, when you go to the store, do anything you can to wake yourself up, brush your teeth with your non dominant hand, change your habits stop doing things the same way you've always done them because it has you on autopilot, and you are responding to your environment in a particular way, rather than thinking about what you're doing. The second is to cultivate an understanding of the fact that it's okay to feel your feelings that there is no such thing as a wrong thought or emotion. There is no such thing as a wrong thought or emotion. You don't have to act on them. But the fact that you're angry, the fact that you feel hatred towards someone, the fact that you are ashamed of something, all of those things are perfectly welcome. And they will resolve themselves. Trying not to resolve them is what keeps them in us and keeps us tied up. So learning to be mindful, feeling our feelings. untangle both of those things together a good mindfulness meditation practice would be very helpful.Ari Gronich 59:30 That's awesome. Yeah, sometimes I'll play ping pong left handed just to shift my my energy especially when i get i do i do that with tennis also, just when i when i get stuck in that rut, you know of playing and I'm, all of a sudden I'm in this perpetual motion of not doing what I know to do. I'll switch just to reset myself. SoUnknown Speaker 59:55 I love that.Ari Gronich 59:56 I also like you know, writing with both hands At the same time, or getting hands to write with the opposite hand, works the other side of your brain. And those are all very good things. And I never thought of really trying to do that while while in a psychedelic journey, but that might be an interesting experiment, as well as is switching hands while in the journey, because that would trigger that other side of the brain that's maybe been non active or less active or deactivated. So it'd be an interesting experiment as well switch sides and see how well you write with the opposite side. You know, while in that in that space, because maybe cut girl for you,Greg Lawrence 1:00:51 I'd never thought of that. I definitely write better women psychedelics for some reason. My writings more legible. Is it is it? Yeah,Ari Gronich 1:00:59 I have doctor writing so. So you can, I can hardly read my own writing. When I get into doctor mode, and I'm filling out, you know, forms and things like that. But that's it. It's just an interesting thought that that you popped in my head was okay, so what if we switched hands? while experiencing that? Are we going to sweat? Because we're switching sides of brains? When we switch hands? Do we switch thoughts? Do we switch experiences? Do we switch to the things that we're not that are not in that automatic experience of life? You know,Unknown Speaker 1:01:37 I like that,Ari Gronich 1:01:37 how many people here in the audience have have experienced driving somewhere, and all of a sudden, you're on your way to work, but you were going somewhere else. But just that automatic response of I go this way, and I go to work, and all of a sudden you're like, Oh, wait, that's not where I was going? IGreg Lawrence 1:01:57 gotta go, sir. Yeah, or driving for two hours and realize you don't remember it? one bit of driving?Ari Gronich 1:02:04 Yeah, I always I, I've had that experience. I had that experience. Actually, once. When I did a vision quest, I was up on the mountain for four days, no food, no water, sweat lodges on both sides of the sweat. So I was completely dehydrated, and completely into that spirit world. And when I was driving back, I was up in the mountains of Ohio, going back into LA. And if you can imagine the mountains of Ohio, very rural kind of environment, and then you get on the freeway going to LA and it's a very different experience. And it felt to me like I was not driving at all, it felt like I was in the middle of a video game. And everything was coming towards me instead of me going forward. It was really fascinating. And then I was like, how did I? I'm like, I'm almost home. How did I get here? interesting experience. But yeah, I like it. Well, thank you, you know, so much for being on Greg. Is there anything? If anybody wants to get a hold of you? How did they get ahold of you? They want to experience or, or just learn more about this, this adventure of plant medicines.Greg Lawrence 1:03:22 And you can find me at psychedelicintegrationspecialists.com And on Facebook. I'm psychedelic integration specialists. And you can always reach me at Greg@psychedelicintegrationspecialists.com. It's a lot of typing, but it works. Awesome. ThankAri Gronich 1:03:35 you so much for being here. I really appreciate you coming on. And, you know, this is a controversial subject. And it's not something that I actually took lightly when I decided to invite Greg on, I wanted to give you a perspective of what's possible in the world, when we stopped closing our minds and start opening them up to those to those possibilities, and very cautiously and very safely and with a lot of education and research. And I just I wanted I was I was just very sure that I wanted to have Greg on here because I wanted this perspective to to make it to the audience. So thank you so much for being here, Greg. I appreciate you. Remember, we're creating a new tomorrow today, take some actionable steps. Hopefully you have gotten a lot out of this episode. My name is Ari Gronich. 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