Podcast appearances and mentions of ari gronich

Welcome to Linda's Corner.  In this episode, Ari Gronich, the performance therapist, explains how to  strip off the layers of trauma so that you can live an authentic, joyful, purpose driven life.   Ari is one of the most sought after therapists and trainers for elite athletes, as well as corporate culture and wellness.  He is also an international key note speaker, host of the podcast “Create a New Tomorrow,” and the founder and CEO of Achieve Health USA.   You can reach Ari at his website https://createanewtomorrow.com.Some highlights that Ari shares:His fascinating personal storyHis comprehensive approach to training and healingA scientific explanation of "energy" workTrauma doesn't speak EnglishLearning the language of trauma to facilitate healing, not just "coping"And morePlease share, subscribe, leave a rating and review, visit the Linda's Corner website at lindascornerpodcast.com and/or follow on youtube, facebook, instagram, and pinterest @lindascornerpodcast. Thanks! 

In this episode, Ari Gronich shares what a performance therapist does, how he does it, and his challenges as a therapist working with people with injuries that resulted in trauma. We also talked about how having trauma can limit you from reaching your best version of yourself. Find more about Dr. Linley Baker at http://www.AchieveHealthUSA.com/ If you are searching for the best diet for you and want to learn about the different diets that are popular now, buy my book And The Best Diet Is.... here https://amzn.to/3ecH5Oo To learn more about my transformation program and how to use it on your journey to become a better you, check out my book Transformation is a Mind-Set https://www.amazon.com/Transformation-Mind-Set-Journey-Changing-Input/dp/1098061268/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=Franchell+Hamilton&qid=1607619289&sr=8-2 If you enjoyed this episode, please a 5 review on iTunes, Google Play or wherever you are listening. Don't forget to subscribe and share this podcast with your friends and family. Make sure you tag me #DrFHamilton, I love to see your posts and read about how you are reaching your goals. Additional Resources: For my Psychology Today articles: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-roots-health/202105/the-power-your-gut-why-mindful-eating-matters https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-roots-health/202105/are-you-ready-the-hospital-without-walls https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-roots-health/202104/what-i-did-not-learn-in-medical-school Visit my website https://drfhamilton.com/ for more information Follow me on social media for motivation, healthy habits, tips and tricks to help you transform your life! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dr.fhamilton/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DrFHamilton Fanbase @DrFhamiton Clubhouse @drfhamilton

Ari shares about his youth, when he ended up in anaphylactic shock, and how it took them 26 minutes for them to revive him.    When he came out of it, he became ultra focussed on what it is he needed to be.  A healer.Ari tells us about his great grandfather who was a Doctor in Peru.  A very interesting story about his history.   Ari always felt like he needed to be in some form of healing arts, and believes it was just what it was supposed to be as a career path.Ari speaks to the fact that most people don't understand that you have to talk to your trauma where it is, and that is somatic and in the tissues.  It's a very interesting concept.You can find Ari @arigronich on any social media.  He says there is no one else out there with his name.He also encourages you to visit https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/gift.  This questionnaire will get you really clear on what gaps you are missing so that you can better create a plan for your future.More about Ari Gronich:Ari Gronich the Performance Therapist has a vast background in the holistic and medical healing arts. His training has spanned over 5000 hours and over 25-years putting his hands on more than 25000 people. At 18 Ari began wellness programs with 3 major corporations ushering in a new paradigm for employer-based health care. Over Ari's career, he has helped Olympic and Paralympic athletes break world records, win gold medals, and earn legacy championships Ari is dedicated to taking his experience and using that to educate the next generation of Doctors, Therapists, Trainers, healers • His mission as a visionary thought leader is helping to create a society designed from the ground up to be in harmony with nature thereby eliminating the causes of dis-ease and shifting the systems of medicine from an emergency mindset to a proactive mindset. Maono Fairy Lite Multi-Functional USB Microphone. Great for Podcasters! Portable and affordable.Free Book with any $20+ Podcast Support Make Up Not Required - How to Brand the TRUE You by LaurieAnn & Contribution by Roy MillerBE A GUEST/FIND A GUEST Start for Free! PODMATCH is innovative, provides easy communication and dashboard scheduling! My pick of the month!Buzzsprout - Let's get your podcast launched! Start for FREEDisclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the show (https://paypal.me/iamthatgal)

Today in Episode 99 of the Clicks and Bricks Podcast, Ken is talking with Ari Gronich who is a speaker, author, and performance artist. They talk about many things Starting with an experience that lead to him almost dyeing and that is what helped him find out what he is truly passionate about. Since then he has been the leader of his own life. Of Course, owning a business has many highs and lows. Ari never gave up and continues to over come adversity, manages to stay disciplined, he talks about changing your mindset, finding your calling, and is always focused on what the next best step is for him to do. Sponsor: https://mygosite.com/ Clicks and Bricks Adademy:https://clicksandbricksacademy.com/ 05:34 Performance Therapist is born 13:30 Aris Book 20:00 If I died today 21:00 Favorite saying 25:50 Summary of adversity 27:50 Getting out of auto-pilot 33:00 Trusting others 36:00 You don't have to be everything TO BE A GUEST: https://clicksandbrickspodcast.com/join-the-show --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/clicksandbricks/support (https://anchor.fm/clicksandbricks/support) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today in Episode 99 of the Clicks and Bricks Podcast, Ken is talking with Ari Gronich who is a speaker, author, and performance artist. They talk about many things Starting with an experience that lead to him almost dyeing and that is what helped him find out what he is truly passionate about. Since then he has been the leader of his own life. Of Course, owning a business has many highs and lows. Ari never gave up and continues to over come adversity, manages to stay disciplined, he talks about changing your mindset, finding your calling, and is always focused on what the next best step is for him to do. Sponsor: https://mygosite.com/ Clicks and Bricks Adademy:https://clicksandbricksacademy.com/ 05:34 Performance Therapist is born 13:30 Aris Book 20:00 If I died today 21:00 Favorite saying 25:50 Summary of adversity 27:50 Getting out of auto-pilot 33:00 Trusting others 36:00 You don't have to be everything TO BE A GUEST: https://clicksandbrickspodcast.com/join-the-show --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/clicksandbricks/support (https://anchor.fm/clicksandbricks/support) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We cannot change how things are. How we interpret them, ultimately depends on our view of the world and on how we perceive them and what can we do to make a change in this world. “Peace is at every moment. Peace begins with yourself.”Melody Garcia, Global Influencer, Transformation Catalyst, and Socially – Responsible Entrepreneur. She is an International Best- Selling Author, Award-Winning Sought-After Keynote Speaker, Thought Leader, Writer, International Media Icon, Transformational Catalyst Coach, and Humanitarian. With over 20 years in Fortune 100 Corporate Management and Leadership, Melody has a proven track record of building winning sales teams, business processes, coaching, development, and mentorship, and extensive experience in hiring practices call center management, and more! Melody is a Certified Green Belt Six Sigma, along with extensive leadership certifications and high-ranking accolades that boast of her winning mindset and expertise.  Her entrepreneurial spirit, combined with top executive commercial industry expertise, gives her a lethal edge in a visionary focus, balancing microscopic attention to detail and macroscopic implementation for increased revenues, connectivity, and staying power of any marketplace. Mark Anthony King is a “Master of Words”. He delivers soul-searing messages in both verbal and written form, engaging his audience to deeply reflect. Mark Anthony King is a three-time best-selling author, publisher, award-winning motivational speaker, and one of the most sought-after multifaceted coaches who specialize in Social and Emotional Intelligence. He is also a Neuro-Linguistic Programming Master Practitioner, as well as specializing in Timeline Therapy, Weight Loss Management & Holistic Health, and Strategic Intervention. His incredible love for people has allowed him the privilege of coaching hundreds of clients from all nationalities, age groups, and walks of life in the areas of relationships, leadership, curing lifelong phobias, helping clients achieve physical transformations into their healthier version of themselves or helping a suicidal individual rediscover the beauty of life.===============================Ari Gronich0:00Just like what we're doing. So, yeah. All right, we're going get started now. Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host Ari Gronich and today I have with me Mark Anthony King and Melody Garcia. It is a double feature for you all. Marc Anthony is a serial entrepreneur, master of storytelling, multimedia persona and a global leader, with a focus on the kingdom of humanitarian impact. His business handlings include a master's in nutrition, health for optimization of overall wellness, and well-being. A Master Practitioner and NLP, strategic interventions of emotional intelligence, etc. His partner melody is part of the global peace. Let's talk with 35 countries handling co-leads of UNICEF, unite Orlando, and international multimedia handling. They're about to launch their sole script, which is a podcast media column and TV show. Is that like a breath full? Melody Garcia1:13Just a pinch. And that was the short form bio.  Mark Anthony That excited me.  Ari Gronich1:21You know, here's the thing, I have been told that I'm going to be in people's pockets, so that when anybody asks them what they do for a living, they just pulled me out. And this is what Ari says. So why don't you guys kinda of tell a little bit about yourselves, Mark, I talked to Melody before, so I'm going let you get started. Tell a little bit about yourself. Why am I talking to you? What is it that you're doing that's going to help create a new tomorrow? And, you know, let's get going. Marc Anthony King1:56Alright, so my name is Marc Anthony King. As far as why you're talking to me, you can thank Melody Garcia for that for putting us into it's a contact. You know, I full disclosure, full transparency. I didn't know the name of the show until right now. And I absolutely love that. You know, we live we live in an age where can I be candid? Or do I have to be like, super politically correct here? Ari Gronich2:24No, there's no political correctness allowed. Okay, perfect. No, no, you're not allowed to censor yourself at all. Marc Anthony King2:34Alright, so we live in an age where, unfortunately, the leaders and the trailblazers in the world are just horribly narcissistic, and the things that they're doing, and the things that they pride themselves on, and what's important, it's all self-glorification, at the end of the day, you know, so you asked what it is that we're doing to make a better tomorrow. Again, speaking, truthfully, we have the audacity to put God first and put service to humanity. Second. And that's an interesting concept for a multitude of reasons, you know, and I'm not going to get into religious discussions or religious debates. But my greatest mentor, Jesus Christ said, that the two things that we should do in this world in order, it's service to God, and then service to humanity. And somehow a Melody says that she was at best, when you put God first and humanity second, God finds a way of putting you first. You know, I never thought in a million years that I'd be doing the things that I'm doing now. It's, I didn't plan for it. And when it started happening, I asked myself a, no disrespect, but are you sure God that I'm the right person to be doing this? Because it was never on the plan, you know, and we become so myopic in our desires, and we become so like, single minded and tunnel vision in terms of what it is that we want, but ultimately, at the end of the day, that might not be in alignment with what God wants for us, you know, and when we surrender in that regard, we allow Him to place us where he wants us, the impact that we make, it's not self-serving, it's not self-glorifying. It's all to glorify Him and what better way to glorify Him then that actually doing something to create a better tomorrow, not hypothetically. Not conditionally, but literally, and long, long story short, short story long at this point, I'm sure. We were now in a position where we're handling the and I say this humbly, and I say this with so much gratitude in my heart, the welfare of 36 Different nations across the world, you know, and when I say welfare, I'm talking about hygiene products, I'm talking handling internally displaced peoples, orphans, preserving pygmy cultures, teaching children about their rights, teaching women about their rights, women's empowerment, agriculture, bringing in food, bringing in clean water, bringing in infrastructure, into incredibly remote areas. You know, these are, these are responsibilities that I don't take lightly. And one of my greatest pleasures aside from talking about God, and how amazing God is, and how amazing that woman is, right there on the screen underneath me here is doing what I can everything I can, you know, Melody has an amazing prayer that says, God, use all my gifts, talents, and annoying things and maximize everything that you gave me so that I can help make the world better, and help people, you know, help me help them. Being able to use that platform to talk about what it is that we're doing, and who we're helping is, is become the greatest joy of my life at this point. Ari Gronich6:09Cool, so I'm gonna interrupt you a little bit. Marc Anthony King6:12So I was I was rambling at that point. Ari Gronich6:16I don't know this about me. But I'm a very non-religious person, very spiritual person. I've studied pretty much most of the religions in the world, like, at a young age. And so I was, you know, nine years old, and I was I was in Hebrew school, from the time I was like, five. And then I started when I was nine, practicing Buddhism. And through Buddhism, I met my girlfriend, who lived on a reservation, and I started practicing and studying Indian way, and native way. And from there, I ended up studying Druidism and the Quran, and I kind of just love studying religions, in general, but I don't find myself in the same kind of state that you find yourself in, right, as far as like, having a specific and direct person that I think I'm speaking to. And so, I just want to I want to open this up, because the things that you're doing are amazing. Some people who are listening to this show are not going to resonate with the words that you're using, as far as God kingdom, King, you know, those kinds of things, they might resonate with the word source, they might resonate with the word universal truth, they might resonate with a lot of other things other than those words, and I want them to get turned off to the things that you're doing because of the words that you're using. Right. And so, I just wanted to emphasize that the things you're doing are amazing. To me, they have nothing to do with anything other than what's in your heart and your soul. Not so much a higher being that you're answering to and so I have a question for you. The question is serving God serving humanity itself? Because if we watch or listen to the scriptures that you talk about, and I will, there's a lot of stuff that says that we are in the likeness of God. So, by serving humanity, are we not serving God? Marc Anthony King8:39I would say it all depends on the intention, right? Because I used to fall into this category, many moons ago where, you know, I wanted to be seen and I wanted to be praised for all the good works that I was doing. So, at the end of the day, you know, it wasn't about God, and it wasn't about humanity. It was about Mark Anthony Kings ego. And that intention is everything. It's relative, but it's everything you know, so I would say yes, if your intention is pure and not self-glorifying, Ari Gronich9:16awesome. Melody you're up all Melody Garcia9:19Alright. What did you want me to cover? Everything about me? Was more Granville law. Ari Gronich9:27Why you're why you're helping to create a new tomorrow today. Melody Garcia9:31Well, so many platforms. We talked about UNICEF as one of the handlings you know, back in 2016. I decided to go with a what is the world's largest children organization that's known and then recreate that in local Orlando what was UNICEF. We live in a world that keeps basically putting up the message let's leave a better planet for our children. Let's leave a better planet for our children. Well, let's use some common sense the planets won't resolve its own problems. Without better leaders, you know, a lot of the handlings that I have along with Mark as coaches, I'm one of the few certified PMA coaches in the world. What does that mean? Psycho neuro actualization? What does that mean maximizing the human potential? One of my, the person that certified me in this is Dr. Steve Miraboli, one of the top behavioural scientists in the world, right. And let's pair it down to simplicity here. A lot of adult's root cause problems can be traced back to their childhood. We call the childhood trauma, and a lot of that from abandonment issues, abuse issues, you name it, that shapes them, to who they become in the adult stage. So, my genius basically said, Well, then let's leave better children for a planet. If I can impact at those young foundations, whether whatever their social, economic, cultural, whatever status background is, and show them what is love, what is fairness, what is equality, what is not having all this boundaries that have been imposed, almost impossibly by the adults by the environment they live in, then we can better leaders for tomorrow that started with that, you know, and giving sensitivity to your audience. But echoing Mark's sentiments were again, heart centered servant leadership, right? I was blessed with the opportunity to not contain it in just representing 190 countries my journey spoke about the first time I decided to say use me to help them not to glorify Melody, that very first event brought on impacting and saving over 20,000 lives halfway around the world, which is a lot more than what people can ever dream of in their life, collectively. So, I decided, okay, well, you know, I did that was my one all be all, but God had different plans. That was just my beginning, came UNICEF. And then he didn't contain, and I have the passion, the purpose once you truly have what Mark has, is a clarity of His purpose and impact. What is his life legacy message? You know, it's not just about boards, because as he beautifully puts it, beautiful words aren't always true. And the truth isn't always beautiful. Right. And that's a powerful statement to make. Will, lived authentically. It went from well didn't stop there. When we tap into the gifts that we have talents, gifts, anointing, whatever you want to call it. I discovered I have his love of passion for writing, well, didn't stop there. All of a sudden, that little column became a well-known column in many nations and started winning awards for it. So now I'm going to call him this for three international magazine that has anywhere from 11 countries to 74 countries reach, but it didn't stop there. Right comes global peace, let's talk that literally got handed to myself and Mark to now lead 36 countries, the handlings we have are massive.  Ari Gronich12:59purpose is exactly the global picture. Melody Garcia13:02I had more. I'll let Mark lead that. And then I'll add whatever you missing as far as global peace, let's talk. Marc Anthony King13:09So global peace, let's talk is an organization that was founded by somebody who's become like a sister, dear friend, mother figure to Melody and myself. She again had the courage and the audacity to say yes. And to do something that shouldn't have worked. That seemed far-fetched that seemed insane at the time. And through sheer determination through sheer love and compassion, she has created this organization that as it stands, as of right now, is in 36 different countries, and has now what? how many members that we just recently add, like as of not too long ago? Melody Garcia13:58So, we just added an additional 35,000 members with global peace, let's talk it's early concept very simple, because the founders in her 70s, in the UK, was just to spread peace unknowingly that intention brought on everything that needed to line up and in 10 months Ari. This is just a 10-month-old Foundation, non-profit 10 months. We're in 36 countries. It's incredible. It's almost unbelievable. And unless you're with us in those meetings, we are meetings with politicians, you know, from different countries, we are in meetings with leaders, entrepreneurs, but what really touches us as when we hear from people on the ground, what they're going through what the media doesn't cover. This is why Mark and I have the audacity to speak what is true, right? How are we changing a better tomorrow when we hear people from Cameroon, Africa being hunted down worse than animals and being slaughtered at that? When we're hearing about children try, you know, have groundworker saving children that have been violently assaulted. And all they're asking for Ari is a piece of paper and crayons so they can continue with art therapy. This is Yeah, art therapy. Marc Anthony King15:18Soccer ball so they can kick it around. Ari Gronich15:21So, what exactly does the foundation do? Melody Garcia15:25Yeah, so we support these 17 sustainable goals of the United Nations, which everybody can Google that part. But then it's not only supporting with message, so for example, to fight famine, we have an agricultural program that literally provides food on the ground, and then not only do that, but also somehow create an entrepreneurship program. So that people are sustaining their livelihood. Marc Anthony King15:54Yeah. Bringing repeatable, scalable, sustainable infrastructure into these impoverished areas. Ari Gronich16:01Cool. Question, which new technology is being used and how much old technology is being used in what you're bringing? So, things like for agriculture, how much soil are you teaching or creating soil garden, versus hydroponic in warehouse and things like that? Marc Anthony King16:23So currently, Kurt, you know, that is the goal, the goal is bringing technology into the equation because I always found it curious, you know, we invest so much money into smartphones, right? Smartphones cost over $1,000. Today, I mean technologies is growing at such a rapid pace. And as humanity, we're evolving with it in every area of our life, except agriculture. agricultural practices are still like 60 years old, and we're still implementing them today on mass. To me, it makes no sense. Why would you allocate so much resources to a phone, when a phone, you can't eat a phone? Unless you're David Blaine, I'm sure he's eating a bunch of iPhones in his career, but you can't eat a phone. So, the whole goal is eventually to make sure that we are leveraging as much technological advances and applying that to where we're growing food. But currently, I mean, it is we're doing what we're doing in America, at this point, where what we're doing now is though, we have this this really big parcel of land that we just acquired, we're going to use that to create an agricultural Academy, where we physically matriculate students and we teach them how to grow food, we have an onsite, really, really large garden growing, you know, things, things that grow well, in certain parts of Africa, like Yuka, and sweet potatoes, potatoes, cabbage, Moringa. And, again, taking those products and then selling them and using that to create infrastructure within the community, in addition to online academies, because we're looking at opening up the schools in different parts of the world. But right now, we're looking at, um, is it Botswana now, where the first school is going to be open? Yeah. Ari Gronich18:19Botswana?MGMelody Garcia18:20Botswana, Africa. And we've also got Marc Anthony King18:24We have a land in Kenya now as well, right?  Melody Garcia18:27Yeah. But we've also got Jamaica with their initiatives. And, you know, you talked about agriculture and technology, right. So that's part of one of our contacts in a different country, is helping us bring it to a level where at least we can use modern technology to expedite some of these initiatives. We are actually also creating new programs that bridges gaps, instead of that whole stay in your lane message that we talked about. Part of that is creating like a child ambassador program that will connect children around the world that shows leadership. Remember, I don't know Ari where you ever were you? Did you have some knowledge of old pen pal style, where you make friends by writing letters. Ari Gronich19:13I'm an old fogy at this grace Melody Garcia19:19But do you remember when we used to write to friends from a different country and how excited we were to get that that letter? Ari Gronich19:25Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Pen pals  was a big thing nowadays it's you know, Facebook WhatsApp. Melody Garcia19:32But there's so much mystery and just excitement when you get that letter stamp from a different country, and they send you pictures. It's recreating that in the newer modern version of child ambassadorships. But we're looking specifically for children that have demonstrated leadership and a global thinking. Right, what does that create peace, what does that create collaboration over competition?    Ari Gronich19:57Right. So, I have a good friend who has a non-profit and motivational missions. They do a lot of child trafficking, work and education, but they also travel to like the worst places on the planet and do talks in prisons in like South America and stuff like those beliefs. In Dominican Republic and all-over South America, they do these motivational missions to help with child trafficking. Do you guys as part of what you do team up with other non-profits and other organizations that are doing good? Or are you looking for people to just join in on what your thing is? Melody Garcia20:49Now we're actually in collaboration mode, but we are highly vetting any type of partnerships or invitations or collaborations. Because, you know, unfortunately, in my walk with UNICEF, right, as well, I've done a lot of call to action against human trafficking and drug trafficking and skin spit up statistics pastored, and a lot of people can and just the platform of trafficking, which is again, you know, the solid pandemic. Oh, yeah. Well, the statistics are this it's $152 billion industry well-funded, there has over four 40 million victims worldwide. Marc Anthony King21:27For the viewers, she did say billion with a B.  Melody Garcia21:31And child trafficking right now over 5.4 million children million are being trafficked. Right here in Florida, where I live, Florida's the third highest state reported when it comes to trafficking, right. People and this is just, you know, a side-line educational piece for any adults, parents, aunts, grandmothers, you name it, anybody that has an association with a child, watch anything that has to do with their social media handlings. From Snapchat, it Tik Tok, to Instagram, because a lot of traffickers are masked as predators mask as other children or teenagers. And people don't think about this that lures them. Because there's commonality, parents, if you have GPS tracking devices on your phone, specially when it comes to Instagram, social media, turn it off. All you're doing is literally giving these people triangulation of your activities. In fact, here's one thing, that's because we live in a social media world of posting everything that has to do with your children, and everything. I would encourage you to really restrict that and take you know, what are you promoting? Why are you showing your children all the time? Yes, we love we love their accomplishments. But you have no idea who's actually looking at your materials. More often Marc Anthony King22:54I know personally, individuals who have been trafficked by way of Facebook, they found themselves sold into human trafficking, because they began chatting with somebody on Facebook and within a few months, this individual was sold to a pimp.     Ari Gronich23:19Yeah, it's amazing. The craziness that is happening right out in the open. And the fact that people aren't recognizing what's right in front of their faces is kind of like it is very telling. So, the one of the reasons I wanted to have you guys on is because you're actually doing the things that most people are talking about doing. Right? So, I have this saying, and the saying is we want to stop gathering to complain and start collaborating to succeed. And collaboration is the main part of that we want to collaborate for results, right? So how do you guys collaborate, you've been collaborating with governments I want to get like a picture of what that looks like. So that people who are feeling like, that's just too big for them to be able to do I could never meet with a politician, I can never meet with a government official. Right? So, they could get an idea that this isn't like a big deal. There's they're just human beings like us, right? Melody Garcia24:26It's not, for example, and then I'll let Mark also explain this. For example, my work with UNICEF unites Orlando, it's an advocacy team in with beautiful, intelligent members and leaders. However, what we start is just knowing it starts with educating yourself, what are the issues? Right, what are the root causes when we do advocacy, for example, you know, this is my fifth-year advocacy Mark have the honor of actually leading part of that advocacy this year. It was literally meeting with members of the US Congress, right? And humanizing the statistics that they say, my story sure shares, everybody has a story. That is the one thing that that literally ties humanity is through story shares. But we tell stories. And then with that comes the other platforms that we represent. I'm sure people can tell stories. That's what they call their friends for. It starts as simple as that. You know, it doesn't have to be this Oh, my goodness, we're meeting with the senator from a different country. That's a whole different global thing. But it starts with a Let's educate ourselves be how can you, you know, for those that are interested, whether it be UNICEF, whether it be global peace, let's talk, I'll drop our email here on the link on how they can connect with us and to learn more. But it's really simple. It starts with the desire to make a difference. Ari Gronich25:48Right. My thing is, what I see is that the barriers of fear people have stopped them from being able to do the things that they're complaining about. So, for instance, in my town here in Florida, every time the politician runs for office, it seems like the biggest deal is the roads and the potholes. It's like the potholes. The potholes.  Melody Garcia26:21You're definitely not in Orlando. That's        Ari Gronich26:23Not in Orlando, right. Closer to the beach. But it's like this is a big, big deal for people, the roads, the roads, the roads, right. The things that are really important. Like, we have the river, you know, Indian River, I mean, it's being completely polluted. We have, we're right near an Air Force Base, and Space Center, and all that. So, we see all of the environmental damage, but the issue is the potholes. So how can people get away from? See, I think that people are going after the potholes because they think it's something that they have control over. And I don't think that they think that they have control over the environment and the policies for the environment or agriculture, the policies for agriculture, the policies for human trafficking, I don't think I think that that feels too big for somebody. And so, they go after the potholes. You think.  Marc Anthony King27:35I, I'm so happy that this isn't centered here. I, you know, absolutely. I hear and I appreciate what you're saying it's on the journey. I think we all experienced the same thing where I want to make a change, but I don't know where to start. I want to help animals, but do I join PETA? Do I join the ASPCA? Do I join the Humane Society, and you kind of sort of get so bogged down in the variety that you have, you know, it's like, you have that phenomena that occurs where you have 10,000 channels, but there's nothing to watch. So, a big part is just being decisive and just making a decision. It doesn't have to be the perfect decision. At the end of the day. If you choose the ASPCA and you don't like it, you learn something, you contribute it, then you can move on to the Humane Society, right, because you got an education. So, education, be decisive, and get an education and use it accordingly. You know, and in terms of the pothole that Melody and I say, have the audacity to care about humanity more than you care about yourself. You look at the people who've created the greatest change people who we admire who we love, who we tried to emulate like Mother Teresa, a poor little Indian woman from Calcutta who didn't have a whole heck of a lot of money. And yet every single world leader was at her funeral, and she died. Why is that? She wasn't worried about the potholes. She wasn't worried about how the potholes inconvenienced her journey. She wasn't worried about how the potholes affected her rims or her suspension for her commute. She had the audacity to care about other people who never even knew she existed. Who would never even know she existed care about them more than she cared about herself. You know, there's something to be said about experiencing compassion. Compassion means I understand. I empathize where you're coming from, and it hurts me to the degree that I'm willing to help you. That's why I'm not an advocate of complaining. Why? Because complaining eases pressure. Why is it that a whole bunch of people can gather together at an event complain? accomplish nothing, but they feel good? At the end of day. Ari Gronich30:01Like every protest I've ever seen. Melody Garcia30:04Yes.   Ari Gronich30:07Just saying every protest I've ever seen, and especially what happened last year last summer. Especially what happened last summer, was letting off the steam. It's a pressure cooker. Right? So, here's my question to you, then we don't want to let off the steam, we don't want to let off the pressure. What do we do instead of that, because if we're in a pressure cooker, at some point, the pressures either gonna get too big, and it's gonna blow up, or we're gonna let it off slowly, you know, or we're gonna, like, protest and create some violence and let it out that way. So, what is what is your solution? I know you're an NLP master. So, you gotta have something. Marc Anthony King30:52When and we're gonna use the pressure cooker analogy. So, what happens to anybody who's ever used a pressure cooker, if you open the pressure cooker right away, it explodes. Literally, it explodes. But what happens when you take that little nozzle and you just turn it sideways, you have a consistent stream of pressure, I don't believe in keeping everything bottled up, I believe in taking what would have otherwise resulted in an explosion and channelling it into a consistent stream. What that stream looks like, that depends on how much you're willing to care for humanity, that depends on how far you're willing to go to solve a problem that depends on how, how resourceful you're willing to be. You know, I know that for myself and for melody that, obviously, you know, we were in in Orlando, and basically, during between the month of October and mid-January, we're just heavy that is when UNICEF is in its heaviest humanitarian work. You know, all you got to do is drive around a certain part of your town. And you look at the living conditions of people. That should break your heart, but it should anger you. It should anger you to a point where you don't post on Facebook about it. And ease the pressure. You find out how you can actually help. You know, Melody and I were we're in a trailer park called Oh, goodness, what's it called? Happy oaks. Something? Well, it's one of the most unprogressed trailer parks in Orlando. And you go there, and it's like a third world country. I remember vividly the property manager, he manages 25 or 26, semi-trailers that are there. You would think that he would live in the best trailer and the best home there because he manages everything. This man lives in what looks like a shack, like that was abandoned a long time ago. And not only does he live there, but he lives there with his wife, and his six or seven grandchildren. You know, you see something like that. It doesn't matter if you don't know what to do you, you buy food, you donate money. You know, it's like a phenomenon where I want to make a change, I want to help somebody, but when the homeless person walks by my window, when I'm at a traffic light, all of a sudden, I'm pretending to text or I'm pretending to look in my glove compartment or in my center console. Or I'm just I happen to be looking this way when I know that he's over there. You know, we sometimes things are painful, right? And it hurts to see certain people's living conditions and it hurts to recognize what's happening to our children in this world. You know, it's painful to know that child trafficking is 152 human trafficking $122 billion a year. Industry and it's happening right in front of us. It's painful. I got scolded. While I was speaking to shocker. I was speaking to a senator's office, or was he a senator?     Melody Garcia34:23It was a congressman. Marc Anthony King34:25Congressman, can I say his name? No, okay. I was speaking to a certain Congressman's office. And I got scolded because I shared my particular story. My battle with mental health since I was a child, every label I was given a DD ADHD dyslexic, socially anxious, being epileptic. These are all labels I was given and then being sexually abused by Men and by women as a child, I told this story, right, because we connect via stories. Well, UNICEF attempted to silence me and the congressman, his office, we got into a bit of a 12 round fight, right. And at the end of the day, just knowing that people like that are in office, people who are willing to disrespect not just the struggle of the individual, right, me, but are willing to hear a bunch of individuals say, we need your help, we need your support, because there are girls right now in Africa, being raped on the way to get water that us in America wouldn't let our dogs drink. We need your help. And for that office to turn around and say, you know what? We don't support that. Because we need to be helping kids in our borders. Because, you know, white children are more special and more worthy of protect than those black children in Africa. Knowing that people like that exist, should light a fire and everybody in the way that they vote. And in the compassion that they're willing to have when they look at children, and when they look at that homeless man down the street.  Ari Gronich36:25We're shitting on people a whole lot. Right. So, it should do this. And it should do that. I get that. But there's a huge population of people who can't see in front of their own shoes, because their own shoes are holy, their own shoes are tattered and worn, because they're working two and three jobs, and they don't have time to think of anything other than trying to survive, right. So, I get that we're shooting on what people should be doing. I think most people, most people these days, are in a heightened state of fight or flight, their nervous system is completely out of whack and not working properly. We're reactive instead of responsive. So, we react to triggers versus respond to events, and truth, in fact, right? So, all of these should that we're shooting on people, right? What is it that is going to take us to actually care about us? Right next door. So, we have the world sucks chart, right? The world sucks chart looks like this. It's me as an individual. Right? And then my family, and then my community, and then my county, and then my state, and then my country, and then my, you know, common, right? The world sucks chart, because most people are stuck in the individual, maybe individual family in order to get to the worldview, where they're literally able to take that bigger picture view, you've got to go through individual trauma and pain and sickness and illness, then family pain and sickness and illness, then you got to go through city, you know, pain and, you know, illness. I mean, the pain and illness may be the roads, it may be the fraud and the politics, it may be any kind of thing, right? But we got to go through these layers in order to get to the worldview for most people, just jumping to that worldview is almost impossible. So, let's, drop back. Yeah, absolutely. Let's drop back into step by step it.    Melody Garcia38:53Right. So, I'm gonna start with a question for anybody who's listening, watching, you know, this interview? What is the value of a human life, whether it's yours, whether it's your child, whether it's your parents, whether it's your neighbourhood? Starts with that one question, because you're right, it starts with it. It all starts with us. We're not expecting people to jump on a global scale here. I'm asking you what Mark had alluded to, are you sensitive to the human suffering that when you see that homeless person on the side corner, what's the first thing that comes into mind, judgment? because that's what we've been hearing a lot. Oh, that person's not really a homeless, they're good. They're pretending to be rich, and you know, they're pretending to be poor, but they actually use this money for something else or the labels that we give them. They're alcoholics, they're gonna use that money for drugs, literally human nature is to automatically judge the situation. Let me pull it back with say what Mark said compassion.  Marc Anthony King39:52Compassion over condemnation. Melody Garcia39:54Right? What if we change that perspective and story? Could we literally stocks, You know, spare 50 cents or $1, or just even ask for their name Mark does something beautifully that I haven't seen in humanitarian space a lot, which is as simple as an act of kindness, that when we're doing our humanitarian impact, is to ask for that person's name that we're serving. What's their story? You know, a lot of this homeless folks in the Orlando area, surprisingly, are what veterans, people who served our own country, most of the time they're not even looking for, for the dollar 50, it's really interesting, sometimes they just want to be listened to, and that the act of compassion is free. So, I'm going to scale it back to start with that. So, you pointed out a really good picture there. Ari, we live in a world that is reactive, versus proactive. We live in a world that are judgmental, versus compassion. So, if we look at this behavioural modification of just retelling it from a different focus, what if you were that person in that person's shoes right now? Wouldn't you want somebody kind to at least lend an ear? Or maybe five minutes of your time it starts with that, you know, it's free. It's really free. When you look at it. Ari Gronich0:04Cool. thank you. Melody Garcia0:05You're welcome.       Ari Gronich0:06Bringing it back down, I just like I said I'm not, I'm not. I don't want to shame people. Because, frankly, like, people been told their entire lives, right, let's go to weight. They've been told their entire lives that they're fat, because of their particular habits, or particular kind of eating their particular way. Most of those people were never told that eating a low fat, high carb diet was going to make them more fat. Right? They weren't told they were told the opposite. And so, I think most people, they're not at fault. They're not at fault for the chemicals that have been put into their food. Right? They're not at fault, or the policies that have allowed poison to come into play, right. They're not like Nestle having a contract with the state of California to take out the water for like 70 cents, like per million gallons since the 1970s. And having that negotiation, never, you know, be renewed. Letting Nestle take that water allowed the fires, the droughts, the temperature changes, the amount of water not in that state is directly because of bottling, right? We can kind of target these things. We know this. Yet. The people are being told that they're responsible that they need to make the changes. I think that the changes need to come from the people to the politicians, right? So, the politicians, but how do they even know? How does Joe Schmoe? Like, look, I was at a Walmart, and I asked for the grass-fed meat and the guy in the butcher department didn't even know what I was talking about. He didn't know what grass-fed meat meant. So, if we think the people who think that we know, and that and who study this stuff, who know all kinds of information about it. Right? We think that everybody should know the same information we know. But most people haven't a clue about proper nutrition, about proper health about proper, you know, wait, not even most doctors know about how to create a lifestyle of health. And so, we stop blaming, I stopped, so I stopped blaming I get let people off the hook. It's not your fault. Now that you know that, right? What are you going to do about it? But at first, it's not your fault. You have been deceived. Right? So, for people who are wanting to change the world, right? And step up and step out of that comfort zone? What do you think that they need mentally, to get to the point where they can even think about something outside of I'm surviving? Melody Garcia3:13So, I'll start with a couple and then I'll turn it over to my trusted co-everything here. It starts with what is truth, not my version of truth or your version of true, what is true at this given moment. Right, that starts with that education, just like you said, the butcher didn't even know what grass-fed cow is. But we assume he should know because that's his part of his profession as a butcher, but they don't. Right. So, what is true? What is true in that picture? is there's a disconnect, about our assumption, our expectation and their learning. Right? Number two, did we judge them that they should know this? You know, you were talking about the shoe that you were throwing? So, the second question is asking that question, why don't you know this, then you're going to discover this whole mantra of well, we're no longer trained. We just we just expect people to read the label. Right? I'm like the butchers in the olden days. So, what is true in the current situation? Let's start with that. suspending all judgments, right, suspending all the expectations what is true, not my truth, not Ari's, truth, not Mark truth, but the factual statement at the moment. Right. Because like you said, we saw those protests we saw the marches, we felt every, the whole world was watching everything that was happening last year, but yet there were the silent people in action that are moving. You gave birth, lack of a better term Ari to a podcast that wanted to highlight the people that are making a difference of changing the world for a better tomorrow. That came out of a desire to make a difference for yourself. Right and find like-minded people that is doing this very things that that we're talking about right now. Instead of complaining about those things, that's a start. Right? Wouldn't it be beautiful if people actually had a gathering of solution driven thinking versus complaining? Ari Gronich5:11That's what I've been developing is Solution Summit.  Melody Garcia5:15So imagine if it starts with two people. Because that's what started with myself and mark, and then it just grew in teams, but it has to start somewhere. So why not start with yourself and just grab one person? And then rapid fire? Ari Gronich5:30Here's the thing. I have an entrepreneurial spirit; I have I am absolutely not risk-adverse. Risk is like, my life, right? I don't remember a time in my life, where I've felt safe. I felt comfortable. I felt, you know, any of those things settled that most people feel in life. Okay, so I recognize my personality, I'm not gonna settle for anything ever. I can't, I don't know how it's not in my DNA. That is not most people. And so, I recognize that in me, I am this type of person who will not ever settle. Who will not ever see the world as something that's done something that's finished something that doesn't need fixing, or doesn't need optimizing, I've actually taken the judgments out, I go, is that system optimized? Or is it sub optimized? If its sub optimized? How can we optimize it and make it more optimum? Right, take out the judgments completely. But I recognize that about my personality, I don't know your personality, I don't know your personality. Right, I would imagine that the fact that you've done what you've done means that you have a fair amount of risk, you know, to safety ratio, where you prefer a little bit more risk than safety, right? Because it is very risky to do what you're doing. And for you to go off and do that is takes it requires a certain personality type. So, here's my thing for the people who are not that personality, who do not have an entrepreneurial spirit who are born to be in the assembly line. They are trained from birth to be this cog in the assembly line, I do this, it goes down the line, the other person does that. Right? The other person does this. And then that whole product is done. But I'm not the master. I'm not the guy who's gonna cobble that shoe in turn, make every single piece of it perfect. Got it? You know what I'm saying? Like, there's personality type for mastery, and there's a person a personality type for an assembly line. So, the question becomes, how do we get the entrepreneurs who are moving things forward? Instead of the 1% That set tends to keep things stalled. Right? How do we get the people who are moving things forward, To then activate the assembly line to create the assembly of what we what needs to happen. We have the visionaries I get it. You're a visionary. You're a visionary Mark, you're a visionary, a Melody, I get that. So how do you move the people who are not visionaries into your way of being thinking, or at least acting? Melody Garcia8:39Mark, you go first?   Marc Anthony King8:40That's a really, really good question. I really, I thoroughly enjoyed that. When you're looking at, like you said, the visionary and the assembly line. I think that self-awareness is a priceless gift. A lot of people who should be in the assembly line, want to be leaders, want to be leading the pack. And that's going to cause chaos and calamity on its best day. And a lot of people that should be leading the pack have allowed themselves to be convinced by their own volition or by other people that they belong in the assembly line. So, I think there's something to be said about knowing who you are. And honoring that truth, honoring the truth of that and being where you belong. You know, Ari you have gifts and talents that I could never dream of having. So, it is Mel and vice versa. So, I think that that is critically important for because everything starts at leadership. Everything starts at leadership. Just like with families. how well your family does is a product of the leadership in the household. So, I think that there's an expression that I love that the majority of people are going to defer to the highest resonance in the room. Right? So, it's critically important that we bring in compassion and selflessness to leaders which is difficult, right? Because we live in a world that glorifies selfishness. And if leadership at the top is entirely self-focused and self-involved, we're not going to really get anywhere, because you're not doing your job as a leader at the end of the day leaders are supposed to produce a result. Absolutely. But it's your job to inspire and to teach. And based on what your goals are, and based on what drives you, what makes you get up out of the bed is it for you to leave a legacy, is it for you to become rich and well known powerful is it for you to make sure that, you know, one homeless person was seen that day and felt heard, I think flipping that script and flipping that switch from self-focus to, to just compassionate and not self-sacrificing in a in a negative way. But like we said, being willing to do for others, what the vast majority of people aren't willing to do. And I mean, there's only so many ways I can say compassion, compassion, compassion, compassion. Stop being selfish compassion, Ari Gronich11:28Right? So where does the whole concept of, you know, put the mask on your face before you put it on your kid's face come in? Marc Anthony King11:38Well, it starts with the self, you know, you have to make sure that we talked about self-awareness, but you need to figure out what's wrong with you. First, if you are a leader, and you want to make a positive impact, you need to figure out what your shortcomings are, you need to deal with your own trauma, you need to open those doors, that you worked tirelessly to bolt shut. You know, you can't have compassion for other people. If you're holding yourself to an immeasurable standard, and you're constantly criticizing and condemning. And it's almost like pennants. If you've seen that movie, with Tom Hanks, What's that movie? The prequel to angels and demons, The Da Vinci Code, there's this remember that guy that was constantly whipping himself? You know, leaders do that to themselves all the time. You know, if you're constantly in a state of war with yourself, or whatever the case, you're not going to be in a state of peace or compassion with other people. So that whole concept of putting your mask on first, I do believe that you can only help them bless other people to the capacity that you're able to do it for yourself. But once you've got yourself figured out, evolution, right dictates that we don't just stay there. Because if we just stay there in the self, we've become stagnant. And ultimately, you know, how much of this mental health crisis is just a product of I'm gonna say, inadvertent narcissism. It's just a product of inadvertent focus, you know, when you are this, there's 8 billion people will 7.9 something. But there's almost a billion people on the planet. It's a big world. And if everything just revolves around us, we're a pretty insignificant presence when compared to everything and everybody even when compared to those people at a town hall meeting. You know? So, I think that once you've got the cell figured out, once you've brought in compassion and understanding and a little bit of grace, it's only natural to extend it outward. How far is up to your discretion? It can stay within your family, your community. Ari Gronich13:54So, NLP, Ben, how does somebody start the process of figuring out who they are when they've never even heard that concept of, I know who I am, I like to, I like to watch a TV, my football. I know who I am. I know who I am. I like to, I like to study and read books. And you know, I know who I am.  Marc Anthony King14:17Like, the voice change for those two individuals. Ari Gronich14:22We have stereotypes, right? We have stereotypes, what are the stereotypes? Stereotypes are simple. You don't want somebody who's you know, as your neurosurgeon cutting in your head saying, Now, here's what we got to do. We got to cut your head, I don't want may, you may want that tremendously. It might be an awesome thing, but you'd rather say, you know, here's what we got to do. We're going to cut a hole in your head, and we're going to chord. Yeah, universal knowledge, you know, you want to hear totally different. We have stereotypes, most of them for a reason. Which is kind of odd. But the stereotype that I'm putting out here is most people don't know what they don't know. They don't know themselves. Because they know, nobody's ever told them to investigate themselves. Nobody even says, what do you want to be when you grow up anymore? It's more like, how do you want to make money? You know? So that's the question. You know, we're, we want to help people activate their vision for a better world. We want to help create a new tomorrow today. People need to have skills and tools to do that, right? we already know like, if they wanted to get part be part of global peace, let's talk they could contact you. But they may not know that they could do that, here or here. Right? You may have told them that, but they may not felt like that was an invitation for them. So how do you get them to feel like this is an invitation for you? And LP? might do that. But you know, let's kind of talk a little bit about that. How does one feel like the invitation is for them to start moving and start doing and start feeling and. Marc Anthony King16:19I'm gonna let you take that away, Mel, I want to see what steamer.      Melody Garcia16:25Like, let me take a step back here Ari. Prior to my entrepreneurship adventure of roller coaster of what the heck am I doing? And the three of us can relate to that I was in corporate management for two decades. I'm very familiar with this one. Ari Gronich16:45That's your two years old? Melody Garcia16:48Sure. Yes. Thank you for that. But yes, I wasn't sure if this is an audio or video or both type of podcast. But I get that all the time. Yes, since I was two years old for the sake of your listeners. But basically, you know, and I have a lot of those people that were just following that you give them a duty check, you know, and they're happy. They're happy with that their content. But this is the truth that everybody comes through what they do with it is a whole different matter. There's one question that ultimately shows up. I've seen this in annual reviews, performance reviews, because I mean, a lot of these people are like, Oh, am I going to get a raise this year, for the 12 months that I've done my checkbox, right? And then it sucks completely sucks. When you're being rated from one to five, you fall on the average? Right? Eventually, that's what led me out into this adventurous world. But here's the one question that's always showing up, there has to be more to life than this. It's gonna be That's why even in assembly lines, they look for promotions. They look for those merit badges. There's a competition sense of competition that happens within a corporate life. So, we can make people feel valued. That's the word what is your value? Right? People want to be contributors, even in an assembly lines. If not, then people will be happy with minimum wages and not want to have goals or any of that in life. But again, it's that label if you're an assembly line, most of you drop that enough. That's how they exactly go into perform. But if we start with there has to be more to life than this. You weren't born to live in a box. Tony Robbins says this. You weren't born to live in a box to drive a box to work in a box to type in a box and drive back in a box, spin in a box, turn on a box and then go to sleep still watching a box. It's not a box life. But somehow people have decided they were going to put you inside the box. Right. But yet, even in assembly lines, there's hierarchy. There's promotion, because people want to constantly prove to others, they're better than when they started or how they started. So, think about that. What is the value of human life? There has to be more to life than that. So, if we were to bridge out all the learnings in the last hour that we've been talking, right, whether it be NLP PNA, home in, in my case, in Marks case, we say God, right in the middle of everything that we handle, and Ari with your learnings. We don't start to remain stagnant. So even those people that are watching television shows somewhere in their history line. I love asking that question. What is the deepest adversity that became a catalyst to your purpose? What is the deepest adversity that became a catalyst of your purpose? Ari Gronich19:51So yes, that of normal people sitting on the couch watching TV.    Melody Garcia19:55Absolutely. And you know what? Yeah, the quality of your questions determines the response and the focus that conversation is going to have see people that you pointed at people that comes together in a crowd to complain someone was leading that complaint, someone festered, that complaint, and someone ended it with a complaint. But what if you're that one person, regardless, if you're just a clerical start-up, you know, I don't even know what the minimum wage is at this point. And just ask that quality question. What can you do to make a difference in this world? What is the deepest adversity that became a catalyst to your purpose? Do even know what your purpose is? or even as simple as this, what did you want to be when you grew up when you were a child? Because somehow along the way, we all wanted to be some kind of doctor or superhero actor or something. Right? It starts as simple as that. It's a fun question. So, I'm going to ask you that, for example, Ari, when you were little, what did you want to be when you grew up. Okay. And why did you want to be a veterinarian? Ari Gronich21:01Loved animals, liked medicine, I had a friend whose dad was a veterinarian. So, I spent like my ninth grade or ninth year in life, this summer, working for the veterinarian and helping with surgeries and stuff and doing all the things that veterinarian assistant would do. But that was why Melody Garcia21:22And what was the fondest memory of you doing that job? Ari Gronich21:27I'm not sure I had a fond memory of it was pretty gruesome to watch, but you know I really doing I enjoy doing stuff. You know, I always wanted to be doing things that were productive. My parents though, see, my parents had Amelie in the garage. You know, we have boxes of Amway. LOC sweet shot masks, you know, we had all that stuff. So, for me, I grew up with entrepreneurs, entrepreneur parent's, every everything was, what hustle can we try to get. And so that's how I was, that's how I perceive everything in my life. I was also a martial artist, gymnast, baseball player. I mean, I did a lot of sports, long distance cycling. And so, I was always very active, and very, using my own creative energy, I also wasn't a fan of people very much. Most people didn't like me. I had been raped and molested, and I was, you know, basically, treated like, because I was Jewish, I was treated like I killed Jesus personally. And so therefore, I shouldn't be alive. I mean, you know, there's, my history is very specific to the person that I've become. Right. I wouldn't wish my experiences on anybody. And I know that those experiences were uniquely directed at me. So that I could be who I am. But that is a lot of self-awareness that comes from I went to ask when I was eight, I did Life spring and landmark in the forum and Cyworld and CEO, space and IB, I mean, I've been in the world of self-development, alongside being in the world of being traumatized my entire life. So, it's like side by side went hand in hand. And so, I, I assume nothing. When it comes to other people, and how they grew up and what their thinking is, I assume nothing. I only can ask questions. Because the truth is, is that no matter how much I think I know what's in somebody else's head. I never have and I never will. Because most people don't even know what's in their own heads. Melody Garcia24:08But do you see what just happened here? I would not have discovered that unless I ask you those questions. And here's the truth, the truth of the matter here. Yes, you know, stories tie humanity together. But so, this adversity and suffering because none of us has spared from that as we go through life. It comes in different forms. You and Mark were very transparent with your abuses. You know that came painfully and the reasons why you're both advocates in different forms is because of those traumas. You went through personal development because you're trying to heal and find answers from those traumas. And I can almost bet you with accuracy. Everybody that you come across, whether it's the guy that's watching TV, because that's what brings him joy, at the moment, right at the moment has gone through some deep suffering themselves, because that is unfortunately, the one thing we can avoid in life, from childhood to adulthood. But there's also this humanity that is, you know, there's a part of humanity that is true, regardless of what background you come from, is the desire to be good, the desire to be accepted, the desire to be loved. That is something that three does desire to be needed and desire to be part of something beautiful.  Ari Gronich25:31How you know that that's part of everybody's belief, because I've met people that is even close to what they believe. Melody Garcia25:41It's not so much as they believe it's how you deliver that question. It starts at something happens in their childhood.  Ari Gronich25:50I understand that. I'll give you an example I used to do. We used to do sweat lodges in the prison system in California. So, we'd go into California Youth Authority with a bunch of gangs, people who thought that they were really tough, and we'd get them into a sweat lodge, you know, native ceremony. And what we considered the stones, the grandfathers, the ancestors, you know, gangbanger might think that they're tough, tougher than 100-degree temperature sitting, you know, in a womb dark with some stones sweating their pants off, right. And so, we could cleanse out and shift behaviour right from that. And I had somebody who had come to once they had gotten out of prison had come to the sweat lodges, and said, one night, you saved somebody's life tonight. And what are you talking about? I was about to go retaliate and kill somebody. And I came here instead. Right? So that's somebody being, in my opinion, having that that belief, like you were talking about, there's other people who are in that system, not only would they never have even thought about it, they would never have considered not killing that person, it wouldn't have even been a thought in their head. Maybe I shouldn't do this. Right? So, here's the thing, yes, the history of that person is going to be directly involved in where they're at now. And I don't believe in evil, I believe in optimum and sub optimum, right. So, their state of affairs that they're in his sub optimal mental state, right. In order to get that person to a cleaner mental state, would take probably a massive act of tools, a massive act of tools, concentrated active tools. But I've never seen that person or those people who have who are in that position in the moment, calm themselves enough to be in a place where you're where you're talking about them being. Melody Garcia28:28Well, it's not Yeah, it's not in that moment, but sometimes one question would ignite that spark as simple as what happened? What happened to you or what happened? opens up a doorway of discoveries. Right, should they choose to stay there? That there's choice. Am not trying to save that person, when there's nation waiting for us to step up. But here's what's true, every day we delay, more people suffer. Every day that we decide to not do something about there's another crowd writing that complains about. Well, I don't want to be on the second or the latter crowd. The three of us certainly don't. That's why we're having this conversation this afternoon. Right. So, it's just something as simple as it goes back to that what happened, the simple questions, it goes back to the word that Mark said compassion, it goes back to you Ari, the audacity to say what is true, uncensored, right? Whether you be in an assembly line, whether you'd be a CEO or a high-risk entrepreneur, find out what is that link that connects to that the ability or desire to want to do something, I am not going to condemn you. If you're the person that decides no, my happiness is watching that box. Because I've done my time. Right? It's very interesting what then what I can learn from me during the time that you were doing that time so that I can gain wisdom or lessons or under the table. But I'm going to gain something from somebody all the time. What I do with that, that's my choice and prerogative. Melody Garcia30:13He ends this with a grunt.  Marc Anthony King30:17I had to drop that that little baritone, you know, you're, in my opinion anyway, for whatever it's worth, you're absolutely correct in that regard. We, you know, we're students and teachers at the end of the day, but part of having that compassion awakened inside of you is, it's just that, you know, not judging and condemning because you don't know, there's an expression that I absolutely love, which says, If you were to spend 10 minutes alone with your greatest enemy, you'd realize they have way more in common with them than you thought. Because as different as we all are, there are certain intrinsic, inherent needs that we all have, you know, as different as we all are. And in the mu

Jeff Le has had a career at the highest levels of public policy and politics at the state, federal and international levels. A recognized thought leader in political advocacy and representation, his analysis and opinion-writing have been featured in The New York Times, POLITICO Magazine, USA Today, The Washington Post, FOX News, The Hill, Roll Call, Forbes, and local and regional newspapers in 30 states.=================Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I am your host, Ari Gronich. And today I have with me, Jeff Le, and I've been looking forward to having this conversation for a long time. Jeff is a two-time tour guide in Afghanistan. He's an ultra-marathoner. He's in the political arena. And that's the thing that I really want to talk to him about. But this is a guy who's recognized as a thought leader, as in political advocacy. He's been featured on Politico magazine, New York Times, USA Today, Washington Post, I mean, Fox News, all kinds of stuff. But Jeff, I'm gonna let you tell a little bit more about yourself. And where it is that, you know, you feel like your history has met your present, and is like pushing your future forward. Jeff Le2:36Thanks for having me. Ari. Flattery will get you everywhere. So, thank you for that very warm introduction. You know, when I talk about my life, I really must take time to talk about my parents, first and foremost, not just because they love each other very much, and here I am. But also, because, you know, it's their bravery and passion that allows me to be an American today. Right. So, they were Vietnamese refugees after the fall of Saigon. 46 years ago. 3:25Yeah, they were refugees in, you know, Thailand and the Philippines and escaped Vietnam and communism on a 32-foot raft. So, you know, when they made it to the United States in 1981, after six years, a year later, I was born. And that came with great rights, but also responsibilities. And growing up in Southern California. My parents had a gardening company. And it's important to highlight because it was my first job. My first job at eight years old was being the gardener's kid, and mowing lawns in the weekends. I learned two things about this. Number one, manual labor sucks. And education is really important, two people treat you based on what they think of you based on what you do. And so, understanding that we're only equal in concept, but maybe not in reality is an important lesson learn at a young age. I say all that because a lot of my professional and personal life was driven on this understanding. And I would break my life chapter into three chapters, and we can talk about each of them. Yeah, the first was a chapter in the international affairs arena, right? I got to work and travel and 85 countries around the world. There was so much to see and do, including, you know, what you referenced was, you know, my time in Afghanistan, you know, working in the international development, economic space, but also working in the human rights and advocacy, is base. And obviously, recent events in Afghanistan, are quite tragic and horrible. We'll talk about that. After that experience, it made me ask for mentally, what was I doing for the country back home? And so, the second chapter of my life was in politics, but you know, really with a stronger emphasis in state and local politics. I got to work for the governor of California specifically for five years. Jerry, yes, great way for Jerry Brown, Jerry Brown, the governor of California, so that the current governor of California, the previous governor of California, and which, for me was fascinating, because when Jerry Brown was governor, California, in the 70s, and early 80s, my parents arrived here. So it was so fascinating that their son could be advising the governor of California, the same governor, who was governor when they landed. So, think about that, from that, you know, the world is an interesting circle. And I was really proud of the work that I got to do in California, as you know, I mean, California, you know, covers some really interesting issues and technology and innovation. Ari Gronich5:53California is crazy state. Jeff Le5:55There's a lot of stuff to talk about, right? Fires, floods, you know, Silicon Valley, Hollywood, I mean, your amens, I mean, there's so much stuff that comes from there. And also what's not talked about the largest veteran community in the country, and 30 military installations that are sort of the backbone for our efforts in the Pacific, not talked about, but it's very important. Think about not just from a national security perspective, but also from a local economy perspective, having those installations there, those work I really got to work in really proud of. And now in this phase, I work in technology. And I'm really focused right now on housing, and really focused on reducing barriers for people to get to affordable safe housing, at a time where you have potentially millions of people being evicted, through no fault of their own. So, you know, for me, my goals have really been focused on trying to support empower the most marginalized at a time where the haves and have nots grow, what can we be doing to be smart and thoughtful about this, and not throw the baby with the bath wash. Ari Gronich7:09Absolutely. So let's start to unpack some of this stuff a little bit. We're gonna go back, I actually I had a girlfriend. Long time ago, she had a tattoo on her butt that looked like a shipping label. It's said made in Vietnam. She had been a refugee who had escaped on a boat, like a rowboat, almost to Thailand. And so I find that interesting, because I know what it's like what it was like for her parents, who did the escaping, you know, and all of that what they faced and possibilities that they faced in order to escape a place. And where I'm going to draw the parallel in a minute is not necessarily to the Vietnam, but it's to Afghanistan, and all the refugees that are being forced, you know, to leave their home. And so, we'll draw that parallel as well. But what I want to get to at the first is, is that eight-year-old boy, who is being aware of the fact that your equality is not necessarily equal in the eyes of the people. So, I want to just kind of unpack this this one little bit for a second, let's talk about equality. And if there should even be anything called equality, and if so, what would it look like to you? So, let's just.  Jeff Le8:49Yeah, it's funny. So, under the law, there is supposed to be equality, right? In society, that's certainly not necessarily the case. There is something very important which is equity. Equity is important. Yes. Equanimity too. Those two concepts are very important. And so, I believe in equality of, there's an equality of opportunity and potential. Outcomes are different. Outcomes or outcomes. But we also must acknowledge that, there are some folks that are born on third base. There are some folks that are born on first base, and there are some folks that are selling hotdogs in the stands. It's it is different. And so, where you start does affect how you play the game. Right? Like if you're playing Monopoly and you got Boardwalk and Park Place to Start, it probably affects the way you probably can maneuverer. And I can tell you that my you know, my parents coming to the United States with nothing, I can't say we had Boardwalk and Park Place. I think we were just happy to have it. Have a token on the board. Right, we're happy to be here. And very much at least in an Asian American Pacific Islander angle, particularly Vietnamese American one, there's one very much filled with gratitude, a gratitude that we get to be here and that we get to chase, the thing that you and I have talked about, which is the American dream. The American Dream, though, isn't the dream for your parents, the American Dream is the possibilities for your children. That's what that is. Because, you know, very few, you know, these refugees you cited and Afghanistan, they're here are like being resettled. They are not going to be the direct beneficiaries of the American experience and the opportunities here; their kids will be. That is the American dream. The parents will have to live with the trauma of what they lost and what they'll never get back. And I know we discussed like, oh, how lucky these Afghans are to make it. The survivor's guilt. That's real. And they're separated from their family, their friends, their loved ones, everything they've ever known. So, they're always going to be knothole. So, I think there's this notion when we talk in society about like, oh, these refugees are taking advantage of things. Oh, they're just trying to find a way to, you know, further themselves. No, it's a last resort. It is a last resort. I mean, you think about what makes you happy? It's your community. It's the people around you. It's the sense that you're living in your skin. Ari Gronich11:27You know, it's funny to me, as you're talking, I had a thought, right? How many people do I know that I grew up with? Who have never left? The place that we grew up. Quite a few. And how difficult it is for somebody, just to willingly choose to go move somewhere, even just out of city. Not just out of state but out of city. You know, how many people do I know that have lived on the same block. You know, as their parents lived, and their grandparents lived the same block the same neighbourhoods. And when I hear somebody say, you know, these people are, they're being forced. What I want to see happen, right. When I hear you say, they'll never be whole, what I want to see happen is block parties. I want us to be, you know, the 50s, again, when we welcomed the world, right, onto our blocks into block parties, and we actually understand and listen and question like, What was that experience that you went through so that people can become whole? Jeff Le12:52Yeah, I mean, you're totally right. I think this first off, I mean, if you look at the founding of America, America is a nation of immigrants and refugees, by the way, seeking refuge. In the only scenario of options last, right, if you look at the history, right? We focus so much on the Mayflower. There are many other May flowers for many other generations that we never talked about. It's not as luxurious, right? But the reality is that you, we have a culture that has a connection to cultures of many. And part of our strength, if you talk about from innovation, what makes America so powerful, is that we have these viewpoints, perspective skills and abilities from all around the world that come here, the best of the best. And then they use those talents and skills to create things that change the world. That creates that new tomorrow. Right? If you look at, you know, for example, let's just talk about, let's say the vaccine, for example, one of the things that people don't talk about who worked on the science of these vaccines, right? The research and development are on the backs of immigrants, doing the lab and bench science. So, you know, America benefits from those talents. And to your point, we have to recognize, it takes a whole of society to put people in the best position to succeed. They deserve to have an at bats, whether they strike out whether they get a single, I couldn't tell you.Ari Gronich14:23So, hold on a second. Let's again, I'm I like to unpack some of this. I don't agree. With the premise that all people should have an equal starting ground. Right. And say that because I'm going to have a different brain than you have different set of skills than you. I'm going to have abilities that you will never have. You will have abilities that I will never have. And I disagree with the philosophy of any possibility of starting from an even ground. Now, here's, here's to say, if I had $100 million, okay, my brain would know who I need to put that with. So that I could get things moving forward, somebody else's brain that's given $100 million is going to spend it on junk that's not going to move anybody forward or anything forward, another person is going to spend that 100 million totally different, right? They're going to actually like maybe go to classes and learn and gain a skill and do good in the world. So, money, or resources or family, like, you might have a much larger family of resources than I have, my family might have more money. So, I don't believe that there's ever going to be a time possible in which we have an equal starting point or equanimity in relationships, it have equanimity and other things. Jeff Le16:09Well, I think historically, that's right. I mean, again, like we talked about my family's history in the United States is 39 years. Right. So, the starting point is different versus, you know, someone that's been here since their family has been here since 1840s. Whether we can agree that's different, and totally agree that there's different skills and abilities. I think it's the case of how do we best put people in positions, you know, to fulfil their talents and potential? I agree with you. Not everyone is gonna be a starting pitcher. Not everyone is going to be even playing that sport. I totally agree. But I do think on the services part, like the thing you talked about for society, right? Having that openness to learn to understand that benefits everybody, and that benefits a stronger country as a whole. Ari Gronich17:01Yeah. But also. I guess what I want to get to is, can we agree on a solution, right? That starts us from a place of maybe not equanimity. But at least not fight or flight. Right. So having somebody not necessarily have to worry about survival skills, survival instincts, surviving in general. And that's where I believe that if we could get away from the nervous system being triggered into this fight or flight response constantly, right? Meaning, we give people a way to have shelter, have clothes, have food, have the things that are necessary to sustain a life. That starting point, at least, is a starting point that will allow people to move in a quicker fashion, right? But to your point, at eight years old, you started a job. At seven years old, I started a job. Right. Mine was paper boy, and we did lawn mowing for like five bucks a lawn. Five bucks a lawn, I think back then. It was like three bucks a lawn. Right. And so, here's the other part of that. So, I'm going to be my own devil's advocate on this. The struggle is what made you who you are, right? That having to work that early, the being forced into an a non-equal position, right. Whereas somebody who's wealthy, whose kids are wealthy, they don't have to do anything, they don't have to learn, they don't have to think they don't have to, and they'll lose anything that they're given pretty darn quickly. So, there's, the dichotomy in my in my head, and we give people an equal footing ground as far as like survival. And will that have an opposite effect of taking the struggle away that makes people really forged in strong?   Jeff Le19:32Yeah, so I think you know, if you think of that, you know that Maslow's hierarchy, right. So, if you reduce the existential crises, then it can allow people to forge and foster in the other ways. I think there's three factors I think about first is, you know, just personality, right. I think there's the things that are born innately like you were talking about earlier. Alright, that is a factor. The second one, I think, is really helpful is exposure to other people? So, I mean, if you think about, you know, everyone remembers their third-grade teacher, right? Like there are people that influenced your life in a unique way. Even if it doesn't seem like it's going to be changing your life, those people are really important that you can't really control for right is the quality of your teacher or the quality of, you know, important figures in your life? The third is luck. And that, I think, to the point you, I think you imply it, I think that's fair. We live in a society that tells us that if you work hard to do these things, and you're successful, and that, alternatively, if you don't work hard, you will fail, and that's on you. So, when we see people fail, we just assume they didn't work hard enough. That might not necessarily be true. So, it's like that. That's an interesting premise here on, you know, this path dependency of like this dichotomy of if you do this, you do this, if you do this, this happens. Ari Gronich20:56See, I don't I don't believe that hard work means anything. Right. I've seen housekeepers who, I mean, like, go 10 hours, 12 hours a day, they work their butts off, and they're making, you know, five bucks an hour, so to speak. 10 bucks, whatever the minimum nowadays. And I see CEOs who do absolutely nothing all day, right? Who make massive amounts of money. So, I don't believe that it's equal hard work for outcome, right? It's what you create as value. It's how much value you're providing to the world. Right? So, the value you provide to the world is gonna depend on your personality, as you said, it's going to depend on your skill set your, you know, your history, but all but mostly your mindset skill set, isn't that correct?  Jeff Le21:57It is and again, also, the degree of understanding systems. So, this is the other part like we were talking about, from, you know, the welcoming, I view, the welcoming is also an education on, how do you navigate? I think about my parents in the first two years, they were trying to figure out the DMV. I think everyone struggles, the DMV in some way. But imagine, you've come from this conflict, and you've been in transit. And now you're here and you have some sort of social network or you're working through, but then they're like, Oh, you have to get driver's license. Like, what is that? How does that work? So, there's also like, the quicker one can pick up the system. And as we talked about, I think really gifted creatives in this space, we'll learn the system, maximize what that looks like, and then break it. Right. I think that's where it gets really interesting. When you're starting in a position of the basics, you're not talking about breaking systems just yet, right? So, I think anything you can do to, again, expedite the ability to get people administratively in the points you talked about with this, you know, this hierarchy. That is helpful, because it will help for people's transition. to not feel like they don't belong here. Or at least you pretend you belong here.    Ari Gronich23:22So, belong here, an interesting phrase. So, I'm a firm believer that I should have the free ability to travel about the universe as I see fit. Right? I don't think I should have to have a passport. I don't think that there should be borders of any kind. I don't, you know, let me play. I'm gonna play this out. Like, yeah, well, your goal on here, I don't think there should be any limits. To me traveling around the globe. I look on a world view of Earth from space. And there aren't any of those, you know, barriers or lines that we've put onto the globe. Yes, you can see the Great Wall, but that still doesn't delineate the country, it only delineates one place. But the point is that this is earth, right? We all belong. If we live, if we exist, we belong on this earth. And so, stopping people from traveling, creating all these borders, what does that do psychologically? To somebody's mind, right? I have a friend in London right now. And he had to get permission from the government to fly out of London to come to the US because of COVID right otherwise There would be a $7,000. Fine. Okay, in order to travel around the country around the globe around whatever, you had to get permission. I think that that's wrong. You've been to 85 countries. Right? You've travelled the world. You have seen, I'm sure more amazing things than 99% of all people. Because you've been to more places that, you know, most people have, like, like we said before, never lost their block, never got off their block, let alone travelled 85 countries. So, what do you think of belonging to the universe belonging to Earth, right, belonging in general? And how this whole issue can get alleviated? If we stop the nationalism thought? Jeff Le25:56Yeah, yeah, um, I want to react really quickly about some insights. When you travel to different countries, I have two universal principles. And then we'll talk about the nationalism question that you raised. The first is in the travels, I got to experience and see with all the different people. Principle number one that I found is that regardless, where I went, who I met, how I met, what I saw, the people who had the least always gave the most, that's irrespective of nationality, irrespective of label, gender, you name it, I thought it was incredibly powerful. And from a humanist perspective, like just very inspiring, especially in places of the most hardship, I found people to be absolutely the most resilient, the most resistance to negativity, but also willing to sacrifice in a way that was in almost inhuman in some ways. Second principle, the more I travel, the more I miss home. And there's something about home that is important. And I struggled to understand what was it about home that it was, was it? Was it air conditioning? Was it my cereal in the morning? Was it the ease of driving on the right side of the road? What was it? And what I concluded was, it was a sense, where I didn't have to constantly translate in my head, a situation or scenario. And I think when you're what you're talking about, from a big picture perspective. When you talk about these barriers, or borders or labels, you're talking about haves and have nots. And you're talking about people that are deemed X and people that are deemed Y. And it's never done in a way that's done with rigor, right? It's just a label, right? It's based on what you talked about. It's based on nationality or passport, or it's based on a classification. It's not based on the individual, right, with rare exception, like your friend is a rare exception to get that exemption, for example, largely based by Guile in relationships.      Ari Gronich28:07But he's spoken in front of parliament in the United Nations. So, he's been a guest on this show. I mean, that will get him. Well, we'll get him anything, Jeff. Jeff Le28:18Besides a cosmic karma. But to your point, though, you know, I do think the nativism part is dangerous, because it irrationally puts people into intellectually lazy buckets. That is dangerous from not just from an everyday life perspective, but from a policymaking perspective. Right. And, you know, as you know, that the government, there might be well intended actions or options. But implementation is always the question. And then there's always exceptions to the rule. That is the question. And so, it can be really hard to right size solutions for the most people possible. Understanding that is far from perfect. But fundamentally, one of the issues that I see here is the policy makers that use rhetoric to score political points, mainly campaign dollars, to then advance their own personal interest without actually doing good for the others around them. That is, and maybe that's human nature. I don't know, we can debate that. I would argue it's not because I've seen the most giving people on planet Earth. So, it's hard. It's hard to see the difference. But unfortunately, in the system, we're in Ari. It's very much driven on. There's only so much pie, and I'm going to claim the pie for my people versus some of us believe that. Actually, you can go in the kitchen and make pie and we'd all be better off. So, it's an interesting debate. Ari Gronich29:55Yeah, there's plenty of pie. I always say to somebody who thinks that there's a lack of anything in the universe. Say count handful of sand grain, just a handful. Just count them. See if you can, if you can't, you probably don't have a lack in the world, right? How about counting the hairs on your head? Can you count how many hairs are on your head or pores or on your skin? Right? We don't have a lack of for anything. In fact, we have an abundance of so much. Part of what I feel is like going to a restaurant where there's a menu, that is five pages versus a one page menu, right? One causes anxiety. The other cause, you know, creates ease. I only have these choices. Yeah, this is all that I can do. Right. Whereas the universe right now, is the smorgasbord, we have this thing called the internet that allows you to have a buffet of all you can eat of your own topic, right? And so like, for me, I'm the kind of person who gets a little piece of everybody's, right. And I want a little I want to try a little bit of everybody. So, I don't get stuck in my own thoughts.  Jeff Le31:17Well, also you don't get stuffed either. Right. So, you get to enjoy the taste without having to deal with that coma after so that's a smart strategy. Ari Gronich31:25Right. But, that's how I like my people. You know, diverse. That's how I like my life is to have diversity to have levels.    Jeff Le31:41Go outside to see different and I would also say difference. Right. Because I think one of the killers that we were talking about with nativism, is people just all go in their corners, right? And that creates groupthink. And groupthink is a killer. That's the thing that we need to be breaking. And I'm really, I really admire the way you sort of look at life in that you want to be exposed to as many things as possible. Not as little.  Ari Gronich32:06Cancel Culture sucks. Let's just get it out. Like anybody who's cancelling anybody. You should be ashamed of yourself. Really, like down and dirty. You should be ashamed of yourself, cancelling people cancelling things that you have no idea about who they are, you never asked them a deep question, or found out why and you're cancelling them. I find it disgusting. It's actually like, I find that that whole concept, completely disgusting. Anybody who's an American like it's going against the Constitution, which is free speech, the idea of free speech, right? So, let's just like I'm just getting that out of my system. At the onset, right? Cancel culture sucks. So that being said, what's the solution? So, I like solutions. I'm all about solutions. These days, we've talked a lot about problems. Yeah. I want to get to some solutions with you. Okay. So, let's go to Afghanistan, for instance, and what's going on there. You had two tours. And you kind of have an insider's perspective. So, let's get perspective on that location. Jeff Le33:27Yeah. I mean, obviously, Afghanistan has been in the news. What's fascinating about Afghanistan, is it's one of the most complex histories on planet Earth. I mean, just where it's located in the world is one of the busier more complex neighbourhoods, you can you just take a look around the neighbourhoods, it's busy. And what I learned from the years I was there, that one, one really important lesson, which is super helpful for both empathy, but also humility, is the longer you're in a place, the less you understand. And I think that's the case in many countries in many parts of the world. Ari Gronich34:04Unpack that. Explain that. Jeff Le34:05So, there's layers of complexity. And let's say, you know, you want to understand the United States. So, you stay here for a semester, or you stay here for a couple weeks. All right, you have a good handle. You stay here five years, what did you really learn? Oh, my goodness, there is way more to unpack than one thought. That's very much the case in a foreign country that is in a conflict, an active conflict zone, and you're trying to figure out, how do we promote better relations? How do we, you know, ensure more prosperity and economic development? How do we build things? And also, more importantly, how do we get rid of the bad guys? Which by the way, there's that construct of good guys bad guys, which we can talk about that. The great part about that experience two things one, I got to be outside of the Capital for lots of parts of it. And that's helpful because the country isn't just The State Capital or the nation's capital, just like if you look at the United States right now, you know, there's Washington and there's everything else. Everything else is quite different than Washington very much as hasten Kabul and everywhere else and understanding that the local differences matter. But more importantly, the local sensitivities, the local people, local constructs are different. That helps you get a sense of what's possible. And the only way I could do anything Ari was with hiring local people who were invested in trying to promote a better Ari Gronich35:33Hold on one second, I'm gonna pause you.  Ari Gronich35:57Jeff, I'll be right back. I just got to do something real quick.  Jeff LeYeah, of course. Ari Gronich36:40Sorry about that, my ex is coming to pick up stuff for my son. Jeff Le36:52Understand, understand. That's complexity. Ari Gronich36:56Yes. All right. So where were we? Jeff Le37:01We were talking about FSM. Yeah. I guess, to say, if you want to be successful, in a country, like that, you need to have local buy in. And you need to have local staff who are committed to building a very different country. That's not an easy sell. But when you do have folks who are interested in stronger prosperity or having closer Western alignments of the world, when they're all in, you're all in, here's the thing. They make a choice. That choice isn't just a job decision. That's a life and death decision. That's the difference Ari. So, the choose to support the Americans, like just how my parents supported the Americans. If you don't win, you lose. And that's what unfortunately, has been the case here in the last six weeks following the withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan. And I think we can agree 20 years is a very long time. And we can agree that 20 years, what did that give us? Those are fair, valid, thoughtful, important questions that we should and absolutely need to learn from. But speaking at a human level, knowing that the vast majority of my local staff, people that made sure I was okay, made sure our troops were okay. That they're not going to be okay, now. That is crushing to me. Because they're the unlucky ones, the ones that won't make it to United States, and 46 years ago, my parents were the Afghans. And so, I feel a tremendous sense of both heartbreak, guilt, and shame, knowing that we couldn't do everything we really could do. You'll hear Ari, people say that, oh, we did the best we could. It could have been way worse, you know, right. And listen, I would love to go down the multiverse to determine the other scenarios I'd love to. But the reality is in the universe you and I live in today. There are family members of my former staff that have already been killed, or people are hiding in a hole in the ground or deciding which land border are they going to cross over? That's the questions right now. And that's a difficult thing to accept for me. Putting aside the strategic questions, which we can talk about, of course, that's that that is well deserving, but just on a human level. It's something I haven't been able to shake. I don't sleep very well, to be honest with you. I tried to do the best I could and continue to try to support visa applications, whatever the case might be through our process, which is a 14-step process. And it's hard to know that even the greatest most powerful country in the history of the world, still can't get the stuff, right. Ari Gronich0:02So, I'm gonna unpack a little bit because the humanity part, right, so let's just kind of talk about that in a way, that is more of a strategic thing. Right? So, we're in a country 20 years.What were we doing there? And what should we have been doing there? Right? Those are the two questions that I asked like, what were you doing now? And what could we have been doing differently? Or better or whatever? Because the way I see it, and I say it on the show all the time is we made this shit up, we could do better. So, there's not a single thing on the planet that we've created as humans, that can't be improved upon or optimized more. So, I try to take out the judgment. Just put in. Okay, what are the facts? No, what did we do? And what should we have been doing to be more optimized? And then the last question on that is, people who are extremists? Are they ever going to not be extremists? And if so, what are the things that we're doing? To cause them to not be extreme? Jeff Le1:16Hmm, yeah. The $64,000 question, among other things, actually, we'll call it $2 trillion, because that's how much it costs $2 trillion question. So, the first question of what were we doing there? I mean, the whole point of being there was to ensure that terrorists or extremism would not be able to attack the United States, homeland, and soil, that was the original cause and effect, right, 20th anniversary of 911 just happened, the whole idea is we were going to go to these places of safe harbour or against the bad guys, we're gonna kill all of them. And then they'll never mess with us again. That was the idea. So that's like phase one, right? Well, here's the thing. Phase two became, oh, well, okay, that's done now what? And you had two challenges. This, there was sort of a school of thought of, oh, we should build democratic institutions and shared economic values and alignments. In a place where you have no idea of understanding. That's a challenge. And then the second piece of that was, oh, by the way, we'll do this, we'll review it every year. So, it's not 20-year war, it's 21 year worse. That's how I viewed it. And guess what, when you have the handoff from one to another, it takes time to it's like Groundhog Day, right. And that's what unfortunately happened. And regardless of what the troop numbers were, or the casualties or the strategic value of x or y, it just did not change the fact that there was not a clear NorthStar of how we were going to do what we're going to do. And what was success. So, the second point, right, what can we've done better? What is success? Number one defining success, so you can meet success and move on, fundamentally did not happen. And that is shocking, because you would think the politicians would understand   Ari Gronich3:09So there was no end goal. Jeff Le3:12Not sighted with consensus. Ari Gronich3:16Okay, no analytic that we could measure that says that is success. Now it doesn't seem like military intelligence to me. Jeff Le3:26No, I mean, listen, if success have superiority in the air on the ground, we're going to do that. That's not the issue. The issue is after all the bombs and toys that is the issue. Listen no one's gonna doubt American military superiority? Ari Gronich3:42Oh, what I'm saying there was no target. There was no goal, you're shooting a gun at nothing. Jeff Le3:48How do you shoot and this is the challenge. How do you shoot a gun at ideas? How do you shoot a gun at better governance? Right. This is a fundamental challenge that we're talking about, about the Maslow's hierarchy earlier. You know, what people really wanted. They wanted things to function. And the Afghan government though, the United States and Western Allies were supporting, we're not doing the basics. Some of that is incompetence. Some of that is massive corruption. Some of that is a lack of capacity. Some of it was lack of will. All of those things are a recipe for people saying, you know, what, maybe these Taliban people aren't so bad. So, the point you brought up very thoughtfully. Extremism. So, is it extremism or just wanting the basics? What is it and there are some folks like, you know, the horrible people that murdered our troops in the evacuation. Those folks are definitely there's nothing you can give them or sell them. Right. That's, that's a that's a very different premise. That's, unfortunately something that usually ends with a bullet. But for the vast majority Have the locals and communities even to help most of Taliban forces are probably thinking, You know what, I just want to have a place where I can raise my family, I can have money come in, and I can do the basics. And that basis would be ensuring that my kids a better life than me, kind of sounds like, you know, what my parents were thinking about when they came here. So this inability to deliver was going to be the downfall. And in 20 years, they couldn't deliver, therefore, we couldn't deliver. And without any metric for success, we were destined for failure. That's what happened.       Ari Gronich5:37Okay. So, I don't know that I agree that people just want to survive and have the basics, like the Taliban, for instance. Right? If they were to do absolutely nothing right now. Not hurt anybody, not assume their control. They would probably have the basics. The thing people want control, and that control gives them a sense of safety. And that sense of safety, just like any gang on any block in South Central, or, you know, or anywhere else, Chicago doesn't matter. Any gang, any mob, any mafia, any family of people that choose a certain way of living to be a violent way of living. It's not just about survival. It's, it's about control. Jeff Le6:36Well, I will premise and say this, that it's really important to distinguish the Taliban is not a monolith. So, when you say the Taliban, I mean, that's like, it's a lot of different groups, right? It's more of a federation, that might be a better way to describe them. And the point you raised about power and control. Yeah, that's at the top. That's at the top. If you're talking rank and file, it's a little different. You know, you hear stories of Taliban folks asking about, you know, what it's like in Australia. You know, it's a very interesting dynamic, right? They've been fighting for 20 years. That's all they know. And they're talking about, hey, what, you know, do you didn't even go to Australia? is a fascinating question. But to your point, yes. It gets back to who's in power? And then the accumulation of power and resources? Yes. But if we're talking the everyday person who is, you know, just trying to figure things out, I think it's a little different. But. Ari Gronich7:40But so then we get to my big premise is silence is a bully's best friend. So, we got to get loud, right. So, what it sounds like, if I break it down to the smallest point, is it sounds like the bully in the in the school yard? Right? Whether the bully in the schoolyard wants control over the kids for lunch money? Or the Taliban or the Federation? One's control over its people? Yep. So, it creates a dialogue that incites its people, right. It still is a bully. So, the question that I have is, why do we let the bullies win? Jeff Le8:35We let the bullies win, because we are convinced that there's no other way or option? Right? To your point, to because if you're just looking at the numbers, the majority, it's the silent majority. Right. And these places, why don't they just overthrow them? Right. I think that's the question. Ari Gronich8:52That's, really the question is, why do we allow that to happen?       Jeff Le8:59Well, it's similar to I think, what I see with bystanders in general, right? So, you see something horrible happen, and the people just stand around, right? Let's say there's a car accident, not always, but I'll give you an example. Two weeks ago, I was walking back from a work meeting, and someone had a really bad car accident. And so, I call 911. You know, what's crazy? Is no one else thought to do that. There are about 20 people. And these are all folks have a variety of lobbyists in Washington DC, you have to assume people have phones and this sort of stuff, right? Why is that somebody doesn't do something? And so, it's a really interesting question of like, you know, from an actor or a decision maker perspective, like what compels people to go outside of their bubble, outside of their world to something much bigger, to potentially put themselves to exposure or risk right. And the game theory of it in theory is that if everybody does it, they're in a better position. Right, and in theory, in this case, we can get help for someone who was in a bad car accident. Ari Gronich10:07Yeah, you got 30 kids, or you got 30 kids in a class. One is a bully. So, 29 of them says, Hey, we're not going to be bullied by you. You can be our friend, but we're not going to be bullied by you. Defuse the situation, right? Jeff Le10:23Yeah, some of that, too, is a question of, you know, who's really the boss here. And if you have conditions where the teacher is not around, maybe that is more likely to happen. So, I mean, using your schoolyard analogy. Ari Gronich10:37Right, but in the schoolyard analogy, right, you got the principal and the teachers, right, that those are the bureaucracies. It's like to me, it's like Hamas, and the Palestinian government and the PLO, right. They're all different organizations, but it's like the superintendent, the district teacher, and. Jeff Le10:58and the school board or the school board, and Ari Gronich11:01All those people are the people who are fighting, and all these students are the people who are getting the grunt of the fighting, they're getting screwed because of these people. right. So that's where I go, like, how do we get and just in general in society. How do we get people? And you know, you're part of the Homeland Security, I'm sure been part of some peace talks of some sort. How do we get people to stop going against their own self-interest? And to rise up and say, Hey, we could do peace, there's enough of us to make it peaceful. You don't want to be peaceful? But   Jeff Le11:46Yeah, the first thing I would say is, so many of us need the validation to do so. It's really interesting. Like, if someone told you, hey, Ari, I need you to do this for all of us. I think you would do it. If you sort of sat and thought about and said, you know, what, it all over interest. But in these sorts of situations where there's not a natural leader, it's very hard. And so, it gets back to like this principle of how do you become a better bystander, which then allows you to act? How do you act? And I want to think that you and I in that situation, we will look around, say, Hey, we're gonna take the bull by the horns, we're gonna do this. But it's not always the case. And in the Afghanistan context, there's long standing history, long, long, thin history of previous conflicts, battles won and lost. But usually, a history that says, hey, the writings on the wall. Let's acquiesce now. So, we can all live to fight another day. That is a long-standing history as well. So, there are some of these like cultural historical forces that are at play here. So that's maybe something beyond the school yard because I guess it's based on where the school yard is. Ari Gronich12:57Right? I love having the discussion about you know, what human nature is? Because I don't think it changes between country to country or civilization to civilization as much as we think it does. I think cultural, Yeah, we have certain cultural differences on how much we've technologically grown in our civilization, right? So, US has the landmass, to create lots of web manufacturing, and, you know, things like that. So, we have a lot of technology that we've created, because our landmass has allowed that. A lot of other countries haven't built those. So, they're still living in a more tribal, you know, situation. Jeff Le13:45Well, I would say, too, I mean, if you're talking about geography, right, it helps to have two oceans, you have two oceans, you're probably thinking about things differently from a security perspective, right. So that's, that's fair. That's fair. Ari Gronich13:57So, we're gonna go into some other topics. But hold on one second. All right, so Asian hates, You and I talked about this a little bit. I'm gonna break it out into just hate in general, because I kind of feel like, doesn't matter if you're Irish, Jewish, Black, Latino, Asian, right. There's always somebody who's hating on somebody. And usually, it's a lot of people hating on one person or one group of people. But it doesn't really matter which group depends on where you live. It's everywhere. When I was in Greece, it was the Albanians, you know, Albanians are coming in and taking our jobs. Okay, so everybody's got their Mexicans, so to speak, the people that they consider to be entering and taking So let's talk about the hate and lack.         Jeff Le15:04Yeah, I mean, if we've talked about hate broadly, this is actually a great starting point. The FBI recently released their hate crime report. Last year was the highest year of reported hate crime in 12 years. And that's among all groups. But it was interesting because there's a significant outlier with Asian Americans. So, if you're talking about, like, who's the latest to get picked on Asian Americans, but it's not to say that other groups aren't being picked on, it's not to say that Asians have never been picked on and are suddenly being noticed. Right. But it was very starkly if you if you look at data and evidence, there was a stark outlier. And that was certainly in Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders throughout the country, even in a place and people will say, well, you know, maybe that's just, you know, places that aren't as sensitive to groups. Well, in California, which is a pretty diverse place, hate crime was up over 100%, year over year. So, this is a place where 40 million people from pretty much everywhere, this is majority minority, the longest place where you have Asian Americans, the longest history of Asian Americans in the US, right? Chinese Japanese came here in the 19th century, railroads, economy, that sort of thing. So really close, long-standing histories of different groups and they had it pretty bad during that time. So, I think big picture, something was happening. It certainly didn't help that there is rhetoric that said that viruses came from certain places that probably didn't help. And, you know, I'd like to think that words don't matter. But they, they do. Because words are the thing you can't kill, like we talked about, right? You can't like point a gun to an idea. If there's an idea that says this group is the reason for your detriment, or your discomfort, and that's why you have to wear a mask. I think it's very complex. And as we just talked about there, there's always underlying things. Long standing past, right. And those fissures, with enough pressure become chasms. And this was a trend we saw across country, it certainly happened to me. It's not, you know, when acts of hate happened to me in the last 18 months, it wasn't new. It was just more blatant, right? It used to be like, Hey, your English is really good. Or, Hey, can you like with your eyes with the shape? Can you see like, do you see better on the science? Or like, Hey, do you eat dog? It's that sort of stuff, where it's like, I can laugh it off, right? A recent story I'll give you that happened to me. Two guys went up to me and we're like, hey, a Buddha. You know, can we rub your belly for good luck? And the thing is, Ari this is not the first time I've been asked, so I haven't answer Ari Gronich17:57Budda is my nickname it has been since I was nine years old  Jeff Le18:01Well, you and I share that. Ari Gronich18:04I got these these big ear lobes. Jeff Le18:05Yeah, me too. Me too.   Ari Gronich18:08I've been told that there Budda ear lobes. Jeff Le18:11I think they're lovely. I love your ear lobes. So, but you know, I have a response to this answer. And that is, Listen, I'm not a genie. So, if you rub my belly, you don't get any wishes. And as an Asian American, you're taught your entire life to defuse tension to blend in quickly. Because the alternative is, the communist government will kill you. So, you know, you're you come from a position of gratitude, right? You're happy to be here, you're just happy to be here. You just want to live your life. But you live in your life, having to sort of know the cost of doing business and existing here is dealing with that stuff. Right. Having people ask you about strange things from time to time, right, including what does a dog taste like? So, you know, that's something as early as age nine, age 10.  Ari Gronich18:59Yeah, I had I had similar being Jewish, you know, all kinds of things. I was told that I killed I personally killed Jesus and I shouldn't be alive. Like, literally, my entire life was, you know, grew up being told, you're Jewish, you're your Jesus killer. You know, and then I started practicing Buddhism and now I'm a Jewish Buddhist that that was even worse. Jeff Le19:23Well, yeah, because they don't know how to box you then. Ari Gronich19:25Right? And then I started studying the Quran. I mean, I was 7,8,9 10 years old, 12 years old, and I'm studying these religions druidism, paganism and studying all this stuff. And I get labelled. So, I understand. Let's go back Asian American concentration camps, so to speak. We had those in our country tournament. Jeff Le19:45Yeah. Ari, when we had internment, in the US.  Ari Gronich19:49Right, we built you guys built the railway system in the early 1900s, late 1800s. That that allowed for us to build to travel the world, right? Around the country.  Jeff Le20:02And Ari to your point on the internment camps during World War II. Did you see any? Did you hear of any Italians or German Americans?    Ari Gronich20:10No. Jeff Le20:11Yeah. So, I mean, the difference does matter. Ari Gronich20:16Right. Difference absolutely matters. Jeff Le20:21No good. Ari Gronich20:24I'm like holding up the mic. This is how we do it Jeff Le20:28Hey, you're getting your reps in. Ari Gronich20:36Anyway, I'm just gonna hold this for the rest of the time because it's come apart. Jeff Le20:43Yeah, I know. Sounds like you need. It's time for new mic. Ari Gronich20:46So, hate in general. And, you know, but part of what I wanted to talk about with regards to Asian hate, specifically, and foreign hate specifically, is the concept of human trafficking. Okay, part of Homeland Security. So, you have a little bit more inside track down. Human trafficking. But this seems to be an issue of color, so to speak. I don't really hear too much, except for maybe Russian, Ukrainian. in whiter countries. But it also seems to be something that is perpetuated by the people who live there not necessarily the outsider, white ghost devil that is coming out and doing it. So, let's talk about that a little bit.  Jeff Le21:52Sure. I mean, if you're talking about so I would say illicit trade in general. Yes, is perpetrated by local economic interests. So, let's start with that. There's a marketplace for that, right. So, whether it's heroin and opium, or in trafficking in persons, there's a market for that. And that's part of the reason why it happens. It's so just acknowledging the global trends for vice is profitable, especially when it's banned, right. So, from a contraband perspective is even more lucrative for some of these groups. So, your point, it is a global phenomenon. It is not bound by borders and that way, you're right. It's mainly global, South driven. And in, you know, communities that are not of European descent, with the exception of Eastern Europe, there's some stuff you'll see, particularly in Moldova, Ukraine, I mean, I would say more underserved parts of those parts of the country, right. And so, there are elaborate efforts of logistics that happen, because everyone's incentivized to find the best conduits for this. And that's irregardless of regime. But one of the big things is, you know, that's used as a strong ploy is they talk about it as an employment opportunity for somebody. And then employment opportunity turns into force imprisonment. That's the scenario that you hear quite a bit, especially if it's someone that's like, 16,17, 18. And they're trying to provide for their family in a situation that there are very few avenues for them. Ari Gronich23:37Sorry, I'm listening, and I'm fixing at the same Jeff Le23:40Yeah, no, no of course, I'm sorry, you had this look like you want to ask me questions. I'm like, Okay, I'm ready for the question. Ari Gronich23:45Yes. So, let's talk about the so we have an economic reason, typically, in lower income areas that breed the idea of human trafficking. And so, who are the people who are doing the taking? Who are the people who are doing the trafficking? Jeff Le24:07Sure. So, if you're talking about the, if you're talking about the Syndicate, right, so it's, I wouldn't say these are pretty elaborate sophisticated organizations. Federation's, if you will, of people who have a hierarchy, bosses, turf incentives and bonuses. And the folks who are in the taking business are your sort of rank and file. And they're incentivized because of their own survival questions. And there's a triangle to the top, like we've actually talked about in some of the themes that we discussed, right? There's a power dynamic, and people are using that as a opportunity as a survival mechanism. And it doesn't have to be even in the traffic person that we're talking about it's also the trafficking of, of people to try to make it to other countries, right? Specifically, you know, the coyote types, right, and let's say in Latin America to get people, the United States, there's economic incentives. And I would say, these are not exactly people that you know, how to say, have strong lawyers, or, you know, you can trust a handshake deal. And it's usually an exorbitant amount of money that's then leveraged. So that the person then becomes not just imprisoned physically, but in prison, and in their mind that this is sort of, there's no way out. You've already gotten as far as you go. Ari Gronich25:40So the crux of the Asian hate started with the shooting in the massage parlour. Being that I'm a sports therapist, and I've been a massage therapist and all that stuff I had, I had a reaction to this. And because I know that the majority of these massage parlours are actually the home for home, for people who have been human trafficked from China from Asia, in some respects. It hit me a little harder, because I'm like, you know, these people are literally here, they're living typically inside of the places that they work. And like, you know, caught kind of beds or whatever. And, and so that kind of got my interest. Right. And so, I just want to talk about that part of what it is that people if we're you know, the citizenry, right, and we're looking for ways to help with Homeland Security with human trafficking with, you know, stopping this stuff, what are the things that people can look for? Jeff Le26:59Yeah. So first, so I would say in terms of, you know, some of the Asian hate, I would say, it goes further back, I think, to your point, you know, the shootings in Atlanta. I think it really shocked so many people, because of what you talked about this realization that these were very marginalized women in situations of likely objects hopelessness. And what does that say about our society that we sort of nonchalantly. Look away? Ari Gronich27:35Right. Oh, I mean, we literally were, we don't nonchalantly look away. We see a neon sign that says open. And it's a massage place. And we pretty much know that that is a happy ending place. You know, I mean, in the industry, at least, we kind of stay away from neon signs in the open. But we have the Homeland Security, we've got the government, we've got police, we've got all kinds of things. And in LA, I remember, when you go to get a massage license, there was one set of inspectors who are licensing the massage for everybody else. And then one set who was inspecting for the Asian American or Asian massage parlours that were basically turned into sex shops. And so, it's a systemized thing as well. Right? Jeff Le28:29Yeah. And into your point, right. There are some things that are folks are incentivized in some ways to look at other parts of it rather than the true nature. What's your IMO? So, you know, let's talk about from a regulatory perspective. Right. And I'll talk about it from a taxation issue. I'll talk about it from a health inspection. Question, right. One thing that well, two things first, and I know it sounds really, it seems so unlikely in the world we live in. But you'd be surprised. You'd be surprised just how important it is to raise the issue with your local person, your local elected official, because it's so rare that they will get an inquiry about this. I mean, think about the inquiries that your local politician's person gets usually about the trash, or about like a noise of a complaint or violation. But if you say something like that, the thing you're talking about with the neon sign, actually, it does stand out because that's not your normal complaint. So, to the point we talked about, it's a CSA. And it is surprising how little people are willing to do that, partly because they're scared of having to deal with more of a time suck or more paperwork that comes with that. Being a good citizen. That's, I mean, honestly, one part about it, and having a real discussion with people in your community about the subject. Again, it's something people would argue there's a million things to worry about. Right? The second thing and this is a group, I really admired a group called the Polaris Project, which works on Trafficking in Persons. They have pretty strong trafficking hotline and other services that they provide, especially for people that have recently got out of that situation. And that's really the heart issue. Right. The one issue is the root issues, the root issues are really tough. But if you're talking about the individual, the human level getting out, how do you put them in a situation where they can acclimate and integrate? Especially knowing that you're strong trauma, that might come from that exploitation? Ari Gronich30:37What are the incentives that come through Homeland Security for actually policing, you know, human trafficking? I mean, getting rid of the sweatshops that are in the US getting. What is it? What are the incentives for Homeland Security to actually go and do this stuff? Jeff Le30:57Well, I mean, there's first and foremost that the political incentives, the political incentives, and just being snarky about it, that the press release is really nice. They should be doing more of that they're not the big challenge, honestly. Ari, is scale. It's the question if you remove one, what happens, right? And it will most likely, because if economic incentives just become harder to get to. So, it's like, okay, you knock out one nest, and then five others happen, right? So, before you have an activity before the government says, Okay, we're gonna work on this issue is we're going to have a war against sex trafficking or war against trafficking persons issues. Fundamentally, you need to commit the resources, the time the investment, and, frankly, trust in a community. Because at the end of the day, it's the community folks who understand really the ins and outs and who's, who's a real barrier, who's a real player, because the government coming in? I mean, they don't know Adam, for me. Right? Right. And so, you do need the local buy in to have that disruption. Ari Gronich32:05sounds the same as Afghanistan and needing the local. Jeff Le32:10It's well, it's a human, it's a community, it's a universal community question, right? It's people coming from the outside coming in, it's gonna affect your life. Who's gonna? Who wants change to happen? How do you work together to do it? And how do you do it where everyone is safe? Right, very hard, especially if there's shadowy players involved, who have firepower and incentives to make sure you disappear. That is pretty scary. The government will say, we have other fish to fry, too. So that's the other thing, the government say, hey, we're focused on cybercrime. We're focused on, you know, insider trading, you know, things like this, which, I mean, from an economic perspective, I mean, those are pretty important things are taken from a human level. It's largely because at the end of the day, these are the most vulnerable people and they're not prioritized, Ari Gronich33:08Right? So, then we'll take it away from the government's rules and responsibilities, right? We put it on the people, what can the people do? Who might be passionate about these things? What can they do specifically, to end this when they see it, to recognize it when they see it, etc?      Jeff Le33:27Well, I think one thing is to have open conversations about it. So, like, from what I see there's very little active discussions in the public space on this topic. I don't know what you've seen. I haven't seen much of it. And maybe it's because we're just overwhelmed. Ari Gronich33:43I happen to have two friends who own two separate human trafficking non-profits. Jeff Le33:50Yeah, I think that's an exception,  Ari Gronich33:52I am. You know, it becomes on my mind, when I see Afghanistan and the refugees coming over, I think of human trafficking. To what they're going to be subjected to. Yeah. If they come over, and we don't say, Welcome to our neighbourhoods, let me get you a job. Let me help you. If we don't do that, what's going to happen is they're going to become traffic. Right? They're going to they're going to be exploited in some way. So, I'm looking at it like, Where can I see this as a solution that we can, you know, take on the run right now? You know, I'm tired of I'm tired of talking about problems. Really tired about talking about prompts because I don't see enough people actually doing the solving of them. They're talking a lot. They're making all kinds of plans in their heads. But there's nothing being done that's substantial, specific, targeted, that has a buy in of massive amounts of people, right? That's where I'm like, where do we go to get this? Whether it's our medical system, whether it's human trafficking, whether it's the environment, whether it's whatever it is, right? We have things that we know for a fact. Right? The chemicals that are in our food are causing cancer and killing us killing our health, yet we don't take it out of the food, we don't create the incentive, right? If the incentive was that the people needed to be healthy, that's the incentive, then everything has to happen in a way to make that happen. And otherwise, you don't get paid. Right? So, you only get paid when people get healthy in the medical system. When that caused all the fraud to disappear. Literally, the system would have to morph itself just to fit that one incentive. Same thing, I believe, with human trafficking. So, anything I believe with all these other things, there's one thing and it's the incentive that we give it. Jeff Le36:03Yeah, I would say I

The difference in perception between tearing things apart, putting things back together, and peace-making versus ripping away and how does this relate to Brian Frederick's children book.Brian enjoys acting as a full-time mediator, mainly in commercial litigation disputes. Brian is also the owner of GetMediation and heads up the panel of mediators there. Brian specializes in commercial disputes of all kinds, and he brings many years' practical experience to bear with a kind ear, imparting dexterity and empathy to broker effective solutions.Brian is an accredited Mediator for Civil/Commercial and Workplace mediations. He qualified as a mediator in 2012 and has been practicing mediation ever since. Brian set up his own Commercial Mediation panel GetMediation in 2013 and is the owner and one of the senior mediators available there. GetMediation has most recently been awarded the Mediation Service of the Year Bristol 2020 prize in the Bristol Prestige Awards. Brian believes in cost-effective dispute resolution and insists that mediators on his panel are “adept at alleviating some of the particular personal animosity and bitterness which can tend to exacerbate the legal situation in commercial disputes, and pay particular attention to focus thoughts towards costs because the parties will often have a very uncompromising adversarial attitude towards each and every point at issue.”He is also an author of a children's book titled Ziggy loves Sausage.Ari Gronich0:11Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host, Ari Gronich. Today I have with me, Brian McKibben. Brian is an attorney turned author of children's books; I'm going to let him tell you a little bit about that story of how he went from that transition. So, Brian, why don't you tell the audience a little bit about that transition of how you went from an attorney, who specializes in mediation to an author writing children's books. Brian McKibbin0:43Yeah. Well, first of all, I didn't expect to take that transition. When I went to school, I was always sort of funneled into this career. And I discovered I liked being what I sort of call an anti-lawyer more than a lawyer. So that's why I became a mediator because you're trying to put people back together rather than in litigation, you're essentially you're trying to tear them apart, it's in your best interest as a lawyer to keep the fight going, because you keep getting paid. It's in the client's best interest to settle the case because that's what they're going to do in the end. I find I didn't like fighting. I liked peace-making. And so that was a transition in my own career. And I think with that mindset, I've always wanted to be a writer. But when I was younger, I thought I would write thrillers. And I guess with that, more sort of serious adult mindset that you might say, is in the lawyer's typical head, when I became a mediator, it's about shifting perspective. And generally, about bringing happiness. And I think that all sort of coincided them with the little thing that happened to be in locked time,  Ari Gronich2:01Component lock time, somebody may not know what that means.  Brian McKibbin2:05Sorry, that's just my accent lock time. And during the pandemic, like when we were all told to stay home, some local kids decided to cheer us up, I guess. And they would, they would ring the bell, you know, the little game children play ring the doorbell and run away. But when you came to answer the door, the first time I came was very surprising, because I looked down. And there was a little bouquet of flowers. So, they left these little flowers that they picked, and they'd, they tied them up with a bit of sort of coarse grass. And, and then they came back over a few days, and it became apparent that they wanted to play a little game and, and for me to talk to them, so I did. And then gradually, these little heads would come out from where they were hiding. And we play this game that I could pretend not to see them and still talk to them, you know as if I'm talking to thin air. And this went on for a few months. And when I was taking walks, we have some woodland behind where we live, the idea of a story came to me and so I started to write this book called Flower fairies as a result of this sort of little inciting incident. And then I got, I got a bit of writer's block. With that after a while, and luckily enough for me, one of my characters in the story had this pet accident. And one day the story about one of the adventures of the little dog came to me instead. And that one flew, I'm still writing the other book, it's still in development, I guess you'd say. But Ziggy the dachshund and was born and I've written about half a dozen of those stories now. Two of them are published, and there's a sequence ready to go. So that was the transition really, partly mindset, and then partly a little bit of luck, I guess, and a little bit of inspiration from some of the little kids that, you know, came like, like the flower fairies to deliver some flowers for us, and cheer us up. Ari Gronich4:13That's actually pretty cool. I like hearing those stories of what people have done during this particular craziness, to create joy and create happiness. And so that's really cool. What I'm interested in what I talked to you about a lot in our pre-interview is the differences in perception between tearing things apart, putting things back together piece making versus, you know, ripping away and how does that relate to your book? Yes, but more importantly for me is like let's dive deep into the perceptions and the things that people, you know, get benefit from in this time of like, the world feels like it's being torn apart and has been brought together. So Brian McKibbin5:12Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of fighters in there. When you're a litigation attorney, as I said before, you know that the profit motive is always there. So, when you talk to a client, they have a dispute, you're always telling them about a, a kind of fictitious best-case scenario, you know, ultimately, that that's why there's so many, you know, Court steps settlements because it's only in tacouple of days before the trial that your lawyer starts to level with you. And then everyone's disappointed to find that they're not going to score, you know, 100 nil here, that there's going to be a compromise. And I think, you know, the way that the world it feels at the moment as a wee bit like that, where there's just so much angst and so many people seeing so many things that aren't, you know, that aren't true or aren't verifiably true, and there's a lot of disinformation. And I think people are probably quiet, I know, I am quite anangst ridden at times, when I'm watching the news. In mediation, if I was, if I was sort of mediating that kind of situation, it's, it's about trying to change your headspace, and have a different perspective on things. And a little bit like in the books, to find that little bit of joy somewhere, because it's always there. It just depends hon ow you think about a particular event. I mean, obviously, there can be just events where it's a complete catastrophe. So, I'm not really talking about something that, you know, like a bereavement perhaps, or something like that, but something that's made you angry, is something that you can choose, you can choose your reaction you can choose if you're going to go apoplectic, and then start yelling at the television and throwing things at it. Or you can just let it be. And, you know, and get on with your life, you know, in disputes. That's, that's a picture that I try and paint for my clients that if they can,if they can reconcile the anger that they're feeling with a different perception of what could happen later today,when they walk out of the door with like, the rancor and fight the weight of this dispute. Doesn't the second thing feel better? You know, being able to go on with your precious life, because it's finite. And, you know, how many days more, are you going to waste months for years and money. Ari Gronich7:48Let me see, let me take you to a dark place. Okay, let's take you to a dark place. This is something that has been going on for centuries. Sure. And I'll give you a little background. So, I had a roommate, who was a Palestinian Muslim, and she was like my sister, I'm Jewish. She and I would have amazing conversations, we would get into the meat and deep and dark and dirty and in the conflict, right? But we had the perspective of you're my sister, I'm your brother. And no matter what we say here, right, we will always be connected that way. And so, we had a way of speaking to each other that was kind and yet forceful in our own belief system. So, we were able to get these things out. So, my question to you would be, let's go to that kind of a big picture if you were mediating the, you know, Palestinian Israeli conflict, right, something that's been going on for decades, that nobody seems to have been able to get through. And I'm saying this because I didn't want to talk. I don't want to say mask versus not mask or Vax versus faxed, right. COVID versus not COVID conspiracy versus, you know, the industry is aamazing you know, perfect and would never try to hurt you. I'm not talking about the really deep stuff. I'm talking about just this conflict. Brian McKibbin9:26Yeah, just this little conflict. Ari Gronich9:29Just this little one. So, let's mediate this in a way that brings both sides together. Let's look at what would you do as a mediator in that situation? Brian McKibbin9:41I think one of the skills the mediator tries to bring is to talk to people in a way that makes sense to them to help them reframe stuff to help them think about perspective but also to get their bbuy-inthe mediator is sincere. So, it's a nice example you've picked for me because I grew up in Northern Ireland. So, the Protestant-Catholic conflict there is quite similar and, you know, in many ways, it really is, you know, it's a lot of people look in on the, on the Palestinian Israeli conflict and see it as a Jewish Muslim thing. And there's an element of that. But my sense is that it's not just about that or you know there's a lot of nnuances the same thing in Northern Ireland, people think that it's just Protestants fighting Catholics but this there's a big proportion of people in the middle, rather than the people that you see shouting and fighting it either end. So, what I think I would do to start with is to try and reflect toth we call them participants in mediation, not parties,because party is slightly pejorative for it or divisive. So, I would talk to my participants each separately, because it's part of the ttrust-building rather than throw them into mediators different this, I don't favor throwing them straight into a room together, because I feel that a lot of tension and a lot of anxiety that they're going to feel initially. So, I come and talk to them. And hopefully ,I lower the temperature a little bit with each of them. And so tthat'show I would start is to try and reflect my own experience and help them hope, see that maybe I can have a useful perspective on their problem. And I've also some lived experience that they can, believe and that might make it worthwhile listening to me, and what am I trying to say to them. That's how it starts anyway. Ari Gronich11:59Right. So, let's go deeper ointothat. So, the first idea is to gather understanding, and understanding in the mediator's point of view is going to calm tension. So, right. So, the first idea is the middle party that has no, say in the situation, no steak, so to speak, is going to be the learning phase. So, we're learning and understanding about the other party. Now, what's next?  Brian McKibbin12:36Well, that phase goes into seeks sort of neatly into listening to what they want to tell you. Part of the process at that point is for them to feel heard. So, you listen, and you would reflect what they're saying so that they can understand that you're hearing them. And also, that your understanding of the same. Ari Gronich13:03That technique is called active listening, correct?  Brian McKibbin13:08Yep. Yes. And from there, you would start to have an element where you would ask for permission to play devil's advocate. And while when you're doing that, then you would be going through a process of trying to put into their head, the way that they having listened to them, trying to help them, imagine how the people in the other room are feeling and how the sense of their anger about whatever it is, is quite similar to that. And in talking to them about their ideal solution. And then trying to elicit some sense of, I hesitate to say sympathy, ultimately, you want some sympathy in a charged situation like that. So, it might take a while to get there, but at least a little bit of empathy. Yes.  Ari GronichRight. So, do you want sympathy or empathy?  Brian McKibbinWell, empathy will come first. In the end ,sympathy doesn't matter so much because well, it depends what solution you're looking for, you know, if you want you kto now, if you want the sort of solution where one set of people on one side marry their daughter to the other said, son, you probably need sympathy. But if you just want people to live together a little bit of empathy will do certainly will go a long way to get into some sort of agreed solution.  Ari Gronich14:50Okay so let's just I'm just breaking it down into the bits, right. So, you the learning about, we do the understanding this situation we do the asking of questions and repeating back the act of listening, repeating back what you're hearing. When a conflict like Palestine, Israel, right, we kind of have an idea of how people are feeling on one side, they're feeling rdepressedand oppressed and controlled, and like their land is being taken from them. On the other side, you got people who feel like, their entire world is always being attacked and destroyed. And they need a safe haven to be able to live and not, you know, have people wanting to kill them all the time. Right? So, you have these two different places where people are, and both sides vare ery valid. Right? So, now we have an understanding. Okay, so next, what where do you get to? How do you get from whining about the,the problems right? Into collaborating for solutions and successes?      Brian McKibbin16:01Yeah. well, you would have asked them a little bit further backward about what an ideal solution will look like. And then you'll have reality tested and play devil's advocate with that a little bit so that you might have knocked some of the totally unrealistic parts of what the ideal solution a bit like, well, you know, if you're talking about litigation, it comes down to numbers, but it'll help to not guide some of what, you know, the fantasy elements, the lawyer might have told them that we can get you because it's not mean, you know, we, you know, can go on to trial, and who knows, you might have the perfect judge. But in reality, it's very unlikely, you would sort of try to narrow that ideal solution into something that begins to vaguely look like something the other side could at least look at without totally freaking out. And you'll be generally, as a mediator, I'll be going from the room with the Palestinian people, to the room with the Jewish people. And as the process goes along, and we're talking about solutions, you would start to get to the place where you're hoping that they'll start to make an offer. And then you will start to talk to the other room about this offer. And the first offer will obviously be a bridge or two too far. But, you know, you put it to them totally neutrally, because I like to say as a mediator, I'm not. I'm not in favor. I'm not against anybody. I'm Omni.  Ari Gronich17:48Right, you have no steak. Brian McKibbin17:49Yeah, totally no steak. I'm not in any way biased. So, I will just put the offer, this is what they've said. Occasionally, I will ask them, Is it okay? To tell them this snippet of information, this sort of, if you like, I'm the neutral insider in both camps, so I can, I can help. And that's part of the negotiation process. And hopefully, if both rooms really want to find a solution, and again, that's kind of crucial you, you start the whole process with getting agreement that we're both here today to work really hard to find the solution, whatever it is. Ari Gronich18:33Okay, so now I'm going to take it a little bit further. So, you have two rooms of people with like, five people in each room. Say, Okay, so four of the people in each of those rooms, really like the solutions. One in each of those rooms is going to sabotage is like they're looking to sabotage. How do you get those people involved in the solution process? Because what I wee is like, you have the people who really want peace. The politicians,and the people who want power are the ones who have stifled in some way or another, the peace, and this is the systems in America, black and white. This is the systems everywhere else; you know that that divide us. So, when I'm looking at a group of people, and I see somebody who doesn't want to compromise who doesn't want to have an affect of solution, how do you create a solution that that is long lasting? When there's like those little elements on either side that that can't seem to let go.     Brian McKibbin19:58Sure, I mean, that that is the million-dollar question in our scenario here, isn't it? You know, when I'm litigating when I'm mediating litigation, it always comes down to numbers. And that's very convenient. Because that can be, you can make that as a sort of a non-emotive thing. It's just, you know, it's a trade. In our scenario, here, it's very difficult to somebody is going to be totally intransigent. I mean, mediation relies on goodwill, it's a process of building that goodwill, for people to engage in that if somebody's going to completely. If they're not going to engage with process at all, it's hard for you to move that, that final stone, I guess, the techniques that you would use is try to, try to gain their agreement, their agreement, I lied with the other people about what sorts of things they want, because that's a good technique. Insofar as, once people have stated a position I lied in, in front of people with witnesses, they don't like to go back on that. So, if you can move them towards some sort of common ground with the rest of their peers, then you might get some ultimately, though, if they're, if they're sued again, they're never going to want to come out. It's, it's difficult. And I guess, in our scenario, you know, that's kind of where we are. Having said that, you know, if you take northern islands as an example, you get, I mean, we northerner islands, you know, that it's still a naughty thing. If you, if you see at the moment, the still shenanigans go on, and but nevertheless, you know, the, the piece happened there where people stopped killing each other, so, or for the most part, at least. So, you know, that that was a massive, massive step forward. And it really required Ari Gronich22:12How did how did that happen? Brian McKibbin22:15Well, it happened over a period of years. So, the mediation idea is designed to happen in one day, I think that would be a, that would be a big, big trick to pull off in our scenario here. So, over a period of a much longer time, the trust that needed to be built was built in so far as each of those sides felt it was possible for them to make a move beyond anything they could have imagined before. So, for the IRA that would have been giving up their guns, under explosives and having that verifiably done on the other side. On the union aside, it was believing that was going to happen, and you know, they weren't going to, you know, they weren't when I was a child, you know, used to get these things they call all the terminology around the troubles even the troubles itself is so sort of Irishly euphemistic you know, the troubles, it sounds like a bit of an argument that you had with somebody over the fence, we used to have these things called bomb scares. So essentially, that was where somebody had planted a bomb in a shopping ccenteror something, and it was evacuated in a semi panic and you run away, just a bomb scare, I can remember things like that. So anyway, the other side were brought to a point where they could believe that those sorts of things and you know, the violence would stop, and they believed that it would. And then they had to also agree, or come to mindset that they, they were willing to, it's all about compromise the settlements, not about getting everything, you want, if it's going to happen. It's about finding something you can live with. And in the end, both sides agreed that it was it was worth people not dying, that that was a bigger prize than it was to hold on to weapons and an ideology that that required violence to achieve the result instead of a democratic means. On the other side, it was about trust that the democratic means was going to be the way forward rather than the violence, I guess. And that the process all the way along was taking them to that place where they could climb out of the trench and see the clear land in front of them instead of you know, this this obscured view that they had that made it difficult for them to believe. It was possible to get out of the trench. Ari Gronich25:03So, you know, here's like the bottom line of what I hear is the incentive. What are the incentives that you're offering for me to stop my behavior? And I must have gotten that right. So, if the incentives are the things that get people to change, right, let's go back to a mask or no mask like that, or some people, they will absolutely there's no incentive that you could give somebody who doesn't want to wear a mask to wear it. There's no incentive that you could give somebody who's afraid for their lives, and wears two or three masks, just to take off the mask right at that point. So how do we get those people who are never going to agree, never going to understand each other never going to be on the same page, to at least be in a place of understanding and not trying to control one or the other. Right? This is a big one these days, this ccanceledculture this where they call it virtue ssignaling I'm or morality ssignaling and so it's like, I got vaccinated, I didn't get vaccinated. I'm going to be really excited about having gotten vaccinated, I'm going to be really excited about having not done it right. This is virtue ssignaling How do we get these two people to just say, Yeah, you do you and I do me and we could both be really excited about who each other is, instead of the way that it's been. Brian McKibbin28:23Yeah. I mean, it's, I think, for me, it's, it comes back to the empathy again, you know, when you look at issues like that, or I mean, that the last American election was very like that, wasn't it? It seemed to this last sort of five years or so seems to have been a period of time where it's very polarized, you know, it's an either or, on whichever side you're standing, you know, the other side is demonized. And, and we seem to have lost that that empathy. You know, it's I don't know, whether it's the age that we live in, and the internet makes it easy to comment. And because you're not speaking to somebody face to face, you can say quite nasty things on your keyboard that you'd never say or, you know, unless you're really drunk or very mad. You ever say to somebody, somebody's face, unless you're expecting a fight, you know, a little bit like you do in your car, I guess, you know, you're sort of insulated mess. So, you can swear somebody in your past and there's just no consequence. I guess this is the thing. Anyway, the lack of empathy that I think that we, we have more often the past just as a natural sort of way of being. I think if we're going to alleviate this polarization, you know, we all have common interests and shared goals mean, in terms of masks or not masks, I mean, one place you could start is that, you know, I was gonna say nobody wants anybody to die, I suppose sometimes, at the far ends of the polarization, that's maybe not all, totally accurate. But by and large, you know, nobody wants anybody else to die. So and so that's, that's maybe something you can agree on. And I guess that's the sort of thing that you start to try and put together as a set of things that everybody can agree that, you know, we want our kids to be safe, and we want them schools to be safe, and workplaces and for people not to be in fear. And people don't generally like to fight, you know. So, there's a lot of shared values around stuff like that, but it all of them require a little bit of empathy. Because if you can't find any shred of, of something, or you could care at all about the other person, it's going to be difficult to stop that that sort of animosity, I think.   Ari Gronich31:15Right. So, as a mediator, you know, you've got to be well aware of human emotions and the things that drive people forward. This show is all about creating a new tomorrow and activating our vision for a better world. You did that when you, you know, got caught up in the lockup and decided I want to become an author, while I'm sitting here waiting to you know, have things to mediate. And so, you wrote a book about a children's book about kind of what you do in mediation. So, why don't you just like, let's talk about kids, coz kids are going through amazing amounts of bullying, online, cyber bullying, and things like that. And I want to get to that kid, because you did write a book about, you know, children's books. So how do we teach? I have a seven-year-old, how do I teach my son? He's already pretty empathetic, right? But how do I teach him how to mediate in his own mind? Right? How to create that mediation mindset in his own mind. Now, so that when he's an adult, he it's in second nature to him to be in that state of empathy? how could other parents do that as well? Brian McKibbin32:44I think, um, I mean, I just said, children are much better disposed and some adults to forgive and forget, and, you know, to make friends again, you know, you can see when they, when they fall out and have a fight, you know, they can be best friends in a few minutes. Maybe you have an ice cream or something. I guess, with that, as an example, you know, it's a shared experience that brings them back together and makes them happy again, I think, I would say for children, it's very good for them in general to, you know, to excite their curiosity about things. And one of the ways to do that, is to have them imagine how other people feel about this, or that. And I think that's the sort of headspace that you want them to inhabit, because that's the kind of place where, if, you know, if they're angry at someone, but they can start to perceive why that person may have acted the way that they did, and have a little bit of empathy or even sympathy with that, then they can't remain engaged with the anger and I think somewhere there is the answer to helping them be, you know, better adults and calmer, gentler, happier, people. Ari Gronich34:19Awesome. So, talk to us a little bit about, you know, the few lessons in this book Ziggy loves sausage, and you know, I want to end I always end the show with three tips and tricks and things that people can do to activate their vision to make a better world to have a better world. And so, why don't you talk about Ziggy love sausage in the end the philosophies and things that will help others to create their new tomorrow and activate their vision for a better world. Brian McKibbin34:50Okay, thank you. Well, Ziggy love sausages is about. It's about a little quest that this stacks and goes on but ultimately, he goes on it because he makes a promise to a friend to help them right along the way he has temptations to overcome. That's the tasty food stuffs that he has to ignore to, to get his goal, he has a little help getting his goal. Because basically, because he's a good hearted little creature, and there's a, there's a fairy that decides he deserves a little bit of help for that, then when he accomplishes the goal, and he returns this item to its rightful owner, again, ignoring the temptations along the way back, he's rewarded with a sausage, and the payoff line is that there's nothing the sausage dog loves more than sausages, even though he loves all this other stuff. So, it's about keeping your promises and being a good person, I guess. And the idea that there's happiness in, in that kind of mindset, you know, it's similar, I guess, to, you know, Christmas, the joys and the giving stuff rather than receiving it really, isn't it? So, I guess that's the lesson in the book, and something that I hope parents would want the kids to take away that, you know, selflessness is better than selfishness. Ari Gronich36:31Okay, so ffulfillmentfrom giving as awesome. Is there anything else that you'd like to leave the audience with? How they could, you know, maybe better mediate themselves? How can they understand themselves more, thereby understand others more? What kind of questions can they ask themselves to get to that point? So, I just want to give the audience a little bit more love so they can really activate their visions. Brian McKibbin37:03Well, I mean, ultimately, we all want to be happy. And I think that, you know, we spend a lot of time in the world today, looking at screens and seeing, I mean, the news wants to you know, the news is, is the bad news industry, really not the good news industry, isn't it, there's, it's, you know, you get higher ratings with the angst than you do with sunflowers. I would say to people that I think one thing is true. And with the kids as well as to try and go outside and see nature, because nature just is natures got, you know, no angst, if you go into the forest, the trees are, are there and they're magnificent, and beautiful, and they're not. They're not fighting, it's very difficult to be angry in a forest after a while. If you're with your child, the child has to start to be fascinated with nature and forget about his smartphone and his computer games. And I think that's, that's a great way just go in and walk in nature. And it's, it's hard to hold on to that anger. And in the doing of that your head will clear a little as well of the angst or the anger or whatever it was that that made you go outside to get a bit of relief from that. And I think I think we still do that. I've been trying to do that every day, since the pandemic happened, and I find it really useful. That that would be my top to go out into nature. So, its good. Ari Gronich38:39Thank you so much for being here, Brian. I really appreciate all your, your wisdom, your ability to pivot and show that resilience as well in the face of, you know, what we've been going through is amazing and commendable. And so, I really appreciate you being on the show. Brian McKibbin38:57It's been my great pleasure. Thank you. 

Jodi Woelkerling is a Leadership & Executive Coach & Trainer who specializes in assisting individuals & workplaces to better manage & overcome stress and its effects. Jodi is the owner of Jodi Woelkerling Enterprises where she coaches people on how to be resilient leaders. Jodi is also the author of World Class Leadership. Jodi is passionate about using her knowledge and experience to assist businesses to build an enduring resilient culture at the whole culture level, the various levels of leadership within the business and at the individual level, so that the business as a whole and the individuals within the business can experience the enormous benefits of an enduring resilient culture.Highlight the emotional resilience required to use and embrace your strengths and effectively manage challenging behaviors.===================================Ari Gronich0:03Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host Ari Gronich. And today I have with me Jodie W. Jodie is a resilience expert and yes, I said W cuz I cannot pronounce this wonderful Australian last name. She's a resilience expert and is really fascinated with teaching others how to experience a resilient life. So, Jodi, I'm going to let you tell a little bit about yourself and what it is that you do and why you do it. And let's let the audience know, what is it about resilience that makes you tick?Jodi Woelkerling0:42Yep. Beautiful. Thank you for having me on Ari. So what I focus on, as I said, as you said, is resilience. So that's resilience from people building their own resilience. And it's also from leaders building their own resilience, but also leading in a way that…Ari Gronich1:00Let's define resilience for a second. Jodi Woelkerling1:03Cool, cool, cool. So I look at resilience in two kind of ways. So the first way is as much as possible, staying calm, when things happen in your life. So we're talking about kids a minute or two ago. So just say that the kids are fighting, you're trying to get ready for work, but they're fighting in to get food organized, or whatever. So there's certain stressors in life as much as possible, staying in that state of calm, and there's various things you can do to help facilitate that. But the reality is, we're all human. And very few people on the planet live in a state of Zen, 24, seven. So the other side of it is when we are actually feeling stressed and resilience is being tested, recognizing that sooner rather than later, and bringing ourselves back to a calm state as quickly as possible, because that second side recognizing it and then bring back to calm is..yeah, critical. critical turning point, yeah.Ari Gronich2:17Okay. So why do you think people should be more aware of how resilience works in their own lives? And, you know, both personal business social, but what do you think? Why do you think it's important for people even recognize whether they're resilient or not?Jodi Woelkerling2:33Yep, absolutely. So there's a couple of different reasons why it's really, really important to start with, it's linked with a lot of health issues. Webmd.com, I think said between 70 and 95% of doctor's visits per hour, I'd have to verify that, but I'm pretty sure it was between 70 and 95. They said doctor's visits are somehow related to stress. So that's either directly like pester does to the doctor says I'm stressed, can you help me or indirect because there's a lot of long term and I'm not medical qualified, but so please don't take this as advice. But there are a lot of long term health issues with being in a state of stress, because the state of stress changes things physiologically in it. So things like blood flow to the to the, the core organs, doesn't go as well, because if we're living in that stress state, we're living in fight or flight, the blood flow goes to the extremities, so and there's a whole lot of other physiological feeds. So… Ari Gronich3:39Hold on a second. So it sounds like you're talking about emotional resilience as the only form of resilience that we're talking about in this context, so I just want to I want to make sure that I'm being correct. Are we only talking about emotional resilience? Are we talking about physical resilience, financial resilience, we're talking about other forms of resilience?Jodi Woelkerling4:03Okay, it's a good it's a good question. So my focus you've correctly picked is more on the emotional resilience. But things like you said financial resilience, making sure you've got like a buffer that you can fall back on, if things go bad, that sort of stuff. Yes, does is important. And strangely enough, they're all kind of intermingled. So if you have resiliency built into your relationships in your life, it means that you handle stressors in your life better and there's probably not as many stressors so yeah, but you're definitely picked it definitely my focus is more emotional resilience.Ari Gronich4:41Okay, so so let's get really deep and dark into the dirt of resilience, emotional resilience. So let's just go through a mass of litany of traumas that are possible, right betrayal, sexual abuse, physical abuse, abandonment, feeling not worthy, shame, right? All these things. So what benefit to those things? Does being resilient have?Jodi Woelkerling5:17So questionnaires Are you talking about when those events are happening? Are you are you talking about the effect of those events on your life?Ari Gronich5:26All of the above, right? So you have an events, you have something everybody's had a series of something that's occurred to them in life, right? And I guess what, what we're talking about is the benefit of having a resilient emotional outlook. So you said we're talking about emotional resilience. And I like to make sure that the audience has actionable things, right, that they can do when they leave for that. So I want to be just really clear and go down into the dirt of the matter. So when is resilience important? It's To me, it's not important. If everything is going well, in life, right? resilience is not as important if everything is going a Okay, it's only really important when we're challenged. And so that's what I'm getting to you is what are the benefits of resilience? In your personal your life? Right? When you've had all of these tragedies, all these experiences of life?Jodi Woelkerling6:27Yep. So if I go back to why is it important, so I talked about the health stuff, it also has a big impact on how we function intellectually. So one of the physiological things, when we're feeling stressed is the thinking part of our brain doesn't function as well. So having resilience and being able to stay calm, to draw back to you in the moment, something's happening, how do I was an advantage is in the moment, if you are feeling stressed, the functioning part of your thinking part of the brain is impaired. So that is often when people make decisions that may not be for their best. And they also may do things like I don't know, just say that there's a there's a stress at work, they may act and yell at somebody at work or act in a way that they would prefer not to, because they're acting out of that emotional state. So in the moment, it's important because it's keeping you more in that logical state, and you are more likely to respond in a way that is better for you. short and long term. Does that answer your question? Ari Gronich7:43So, I'm gonna just break down your answer and physiological terms a little bit, right? So stress triggers your parasympathetic and sympathetic nervous system to go into fight or flight. When you're in fight or flight, all of the blood goes from the main part of your organs into your extremities, so that you can run so that you can flee so that you can do something other than or stop other than processing food, processing nutrients, you're not doing any of that stuff, you're no longer processing and your organs, you're literally in fight or flight. When you're in that state. At a regular chronic level, you become in chronic pain you be you begin to develop chronic stress levels, you're talking about resilience as a mediating factor to the stress levels, right? So the resilience emotional resilience is techniques and tools that you could use to I would imagine to breathe to meditate to do things to calm that central nervous system so that you're not in fight or flight Am I correct it all the things that I've said so far translate words. Am I anything. Jodi Woelkerling9:01What I'm going to do with your permission is break it down a little bit more and talk about how I work with people, because I think that may be given a little bit more..Ari Gronich9:10I'd rather not do that first, because I don't want to talk about how you work with people, right? I'm not so much interested in how we work with people as much as the direct benefits. So at the moment of what is it that resilience is what it does, how it works in the body physiologically, and then we could go to some tips and tricks and things that people can do in order to get into a state of resilience, instead of a state of stress or a state the state of fight or flight. Okay. So down and dirty on the deep part of what benefits we get from resilience. So what you're saying, if I'm hearing you correctly is that the blood is now we're going to rush back into the organs, the body is going to start going moving into a homeostasis place what benefit does that give the body?Jodi Woelkerling10:12It means that it functions the way it's supposed to. So a good example is the gaps in the digestive system. So it depends it changes in its different. The way it sort of, as I said, Please, please, I am not medically trained on resilience, life coach, help coach trained, so please don't take this as medical advice. But one of the common things that people experience when they're going through prolonged stress is issues with their digestion. And that can be all different parts of your digestive from the top part where you get reflux and heartburn, way down to irritable bowel and that sort of stuff. So your whole digestive system. One of the things that happens when people are stressed is this, this area can be really affected. So it means that you're in less comfort, because some of those things are really uncomfortable and unpleasant. And it can mean that your body's not working properly to digest and to take up the nutrients of your food. So hence the health side of it. So digestion is just one of them. But it's probably one of the most common ones. It also living in that fight or flight does things like your immune system doesn't work as well. So you're not able to fight off infections as well. So the in essence, the functioning of those core organs in your body that it that other vital organs for your body running well don't work as well, because there's less blood flow in them. Because if you go back to the origins of the stress response, as you said, like the fight or flight, it is the body going, Okay, I'm in a life or death situation, what's the best chance of me surviving this life or death situation. So if you think back, caveman times, walk around a corner, there's a saber toothed tiger, your body or is very, it's actually a really cool body system. And it makes a lot of sense in that I need to get out of this. In the moment. Go my blood flow goes through my arms or legs so I can fight flight or freeze best to give him the best chance of survival. But modern life there's very few life or death situations maybe a car crash, maybe I don't know you come across somebody in the street who has ill intent. But really in the scheme of everyday life. Now there's very few in the moment life or death. So your body's reacting, though as if you are rich, it means that Yeah, the functioning of those core things that keep you healthy and well and keep the body functioning well. Don't work as well.Ari Gronich13:01So does resilience fade through time? And if so, how can somebody consistently practice resilience so that it doesn't fade? So that actually builds?Jodi Woelkerling13:15An interesting question, the fighting? I think it may it requires in order for it to be retained some sort of consistent practices, some sort of consistent awareness of it. So I'm not sure if that answers whether it fades, but it requires that ongoing thing if somebody consistently is doing things in their life to help it. I can't imagine it would fade. It obviously gets tested to various degrees at different stages in you mentioned some examples. So people are going for a marriage breakup, they've lost their job, they've been having a health concern. Yeah, it gets tested to different stages, but I can't imagine it would fade on at time. What was the second part of your question Ari?Ari Gronich14:01The second part is consistent practices that helped to build resilience? And also, is there a point where resilience becomes a bad thing or a negative thing? Like persistence can become obsession, right? So I can be persistent or I could be obsessive about something. Can resilience have a bad point or a negative connotation to it? Jodi Woelkerling14:27It's interesting. It's something I've never contemplated, um, my gut says, I don't think so. But I've never contemplated it. If you go back, like I said, there's very few people in the world who are who live in a state of Zen. There's a handful, so maybe like Yogi in India, or in a Buddhist monastery somewhere or somewhere. They are often able to deal with things like physical stressors or all that sort of stuff. I can't imagine there's a bad side to it. But to be honest, you've asked a really good question, because it's not something I've ever thought about. So my gut says, No, there's not a bad side.Ari Gronich15:13To resilience. No. So how is how is resilience related to mental health? And if there's no like, bad side to how is it related to mental health? Jodi Woelkerling15:27Very closely related. So if you're able to stay in that state of calm and able to process things, and not, there's a difference between appearing to become and appearing to deal with things well, versus actually being calm, there's a lot of people who put on very good facade, especially in places like corporate world, but actually in yourself, being able to stay calm when things go on. Yeah, it's, it means that you are better able to cope with the things in your in your life without adversely affecting you, as I said before.Ari Gronich16:09So I'm gonna challenge you for a second because I keep hearing something sad in a way that that kind of strikes me, it appears to me that your version of resilience is actually just a version of meditation or stress relief or calm, and not necessarily resilience. So it's to me I'll just, you know, go to me resilience is something crappy happens. And I'm going to bounce back, and it may take me a little bit, but I'm going to bounce back, I'm going to be resilient, I'm going to adapt to the situation, I may not be combed through it, I may not be, I may not be no stress about it, I may have a ton of stress, not be calm at all. But I'm resilient. And I will bounce back and I will make headway. And I will get ahead, right. So that's, that's where I guess I'm struggling in internally on the definition, because it doesn't sound like we have the same definition of resilience. The definition I'm hearing is one of like meditation and calm.Jodi Woelkerling17:21It's part of it. But like the part that you just said, with your example, part of which, I talked about is mindset. So the stuff you're talking about his mindset is things happen in life, how am I going to mentally process that and deal with that in a way that is gonna give me the best outcome long term. So I do cover that we just haven't covered that in this conversation.Ari Gronich17:51Okay, that sounds like strategy, still not resilience. See, to me, that sounds like a strategy for resiliency. Right?Jodi Woelkerling18:00Mindset is a strategy, but it is also extremely practical. So, for example, to go back to you talking about something happens. So just say, I don't know you're walking along the street, and you get mad. That's a real stressor in in your life. And it's something where you can mindset, you can go into victim mode, and woe is me, and I'm so unlucky, and the world's out to get me or you can do like usage. Go, okay, well, that sucked. I need to do X, Y, and Z. So it might be replaced the credit cards, that might be whatever. And in the end, is there anything that this is actually given to him, which is an interesting twist on better things in life, I've done that a lot with people who have long term effects because of trauma. But please don't do that with other people. If you do that with somebody else, and you're not really careful how you do it, you'll get them off site very quickly, but that's a side point. But in yourself, if you look at that, something like I've been much, and you go, Okay, I guess it's such, but I need to do X, Y, and Z and I may need to have medical or emotional care x, y and Z. But if I do that, and if I go through the steps of processing it and talking about it, and changing my perspective on it, and maybe going okay, well what did it actually teach me something? Did it teach me how to handle myself in really difficult situations? It can actually that mindset shift can make a huge difference. And probably one of the most common examples I see of this as our leaders of businesses. The reason I say that is leading a business is something where your resilience is tested constantly. You're generally in charge of people who you have various relationships with. You're working with stakeholders. So that could be customers, employees, suppliers, possibly shareholders policy and possibly a board of director, you're dealing with market forces that change all the time and are often largely out of your control. And I could go on that being a head of a business is extremely testing to your resilience. So, by developing your resilience, and you look at any of the really good leaders in the world, they are able to, over a long period of time to look at those challenges that come up and be able to handle them in a way that gives them and the organization the best chance of dealing within moving beyond those stresses. So yes, I agree with you that meditation and that sort of stuff is part of it. But it's also how you deal with those things that that come up, because as you're absolutely right. Everybody goes through issues, it changes the individual what the issue is, but yeah, it's also being able to deal with it. And for it to not be a long-term issue and not to be something that long term is going to be detrimental to you. Does that make sense? Or less likely to be detrimental?Ari Gronich21:22Absolutely. So, I just went, and I looked up the actual definition of the word. So, I just wanted to kind come to a place where we could get this capacity to recover quickly, from difficulties toughness, the often-remarkable resilience of so many British institutions, that's the sentence that goes with it, the ability of a substance or object is spring back into shape, elasticity, nylon is an excellent wearability and resilience. So, it bounces back into shape. So if resilience kind of means bouncing back into shape, right? Toughness, being able to go back to where you were after being stretched. Right? Um, let me let me ask you another question that is one I just thought of, is resilience good? If it puts you right back into the shape, you're in? Or do we want resilience to remold and reshape us into a more opportune up, you know, opportune version of like, let's say you were a rubber band, right? So, we pull a rubber band, it bounces back to where it was, eventually, it either gets brittle or it snaps, right? We want to be able to stretch without snapping, so to speak, to me, that's what resilience is the stretch without the snap. Jodi Woelkerling23:00It's a really, good question. You want to as a human being, be constantly developing and growing. So, if you take the thing of go back to the way you were before, you want to be able to Okay, I've dealt with this, we'll go back to the being mud situation. I want to be able to deal with this particular awful event in my life, to be able to better handle the next thing that happens in my life. So yeah, one of the goals of life is always to be constantly growing and developing and building our resilience means that we are more likely to the next stressor that happens in our life, be able to handle it better.Ari Gronich23:49You know, it's funny, I was just thinking about it and martial arts. You hit something long enough, and your bones become like flexible steel, the matrix inside of the bone becomes like a massively strong web, it forges your bones into a flexible, like steel substance it strengthens creates the flexibility so that it snaps less, you know, it doesn't break as easily and so on. And it takes a lot of hitting a lot of a lot of pounding a lot of damage to create that much strength. A lot of forging if we look at just like the ancient steel swords, it was like 600 folds of hammer and fold and hammer and fold to strengthen that steel. So, resilience is a lot about being able to go through the fire being forged, so to speak. So, when resilience fails, what should somebody do? I mean. Let's say you've been forged, and then all of a sudden, you just get like, cool too quick and you shatter a little bit, right? Now what? How do we get back to that resilient place we just were?Jodi Woelkerling25:15Well, um, when I go back to when I talked about the two parts of the resilience is there are times when, when we're not in zen, and our resilience is tested. So self-awareness is the first part of it, because I find so many people aren't even aware that their resilience has been tested. And that emotional outburst or whatever is going on has come from that place of lack of resilience and not being in that state of calm. So self-awareness is a huge part of it, of being able to spot it in yourself. I mean, that's, you talk about mental health, that's a lot of mental health stuff is he can't overturn something and make it better, unless you're aware of it. So, self-awareness is definitely a huge part. And then it's a case of knowing yourself and knowing what is it that I need in the moment. So, I'll take another example that causes people stress, marriage breakups, very, very common one, but it's often for a lot of people, one of the most stressful events in their life. So, people, when they're going through marriage, breakups can sometimes behave in ways that they really, objectively later wouldn't have liked to. So, and they can be all sorts of examples of that with outbursts and stuff that's not disclosed, that should be in all sorts of things. Recognizing that you're not working for my best state at the moment and knowing yourself enough so that you can do things to bring yourself back to a good state. Does that mean I need to take a week off of work and be by myself to reset? Does it mean I have to I would, I want to seek outside help, whether that is talking to friends, talking to a counselor, being kind of self-aware, and taking those steps needed in order to get yourself back to calm and that's going to be very individual, for different people. That's just a couple of examples like the take time off.Ari Gronich27:27Right? So let me let me take this down a darker path that we start talking in our pre interview a little bit about the pressure cooker, that is the world right now. And, you know, we both had some thoughts about this pressure cooker, that's how I describe it I describe the world right now is basically we're like trapped, and they're trapping us more trying to keep us contained more, and it's a pressure cooker, and eventually, you know, we're going to explode. And that's just the nature of a pressure cooker. So, without getting to the deep pain of war, the deep pain of brutal, you know, civil unrest. What can we do now to build personal resilience, and then group resilience around the concept of what we're going through as a world you know, you and I talked a lot, a little bit about it, but I'd like, I'd like the audience to hear some of what you had said.Jodi Woelkerling28:51Yep. Um, it's such an enormous issue at the moment. So in terms of your own personal resilience, knowing yourself spotting when it's being tested, really listening to your own inner voice of what you need, and taking steps to help yourself so even if I mean Victoria in Australia, and we've been one of the most lockdown parts of the world, and yes, what you can, what you are allowed to do is a lot more legally allowed to do is a lot more restricted. But there's still things that you can do in yourself. So again, it goes back to the knowing yourself being self-aware, and actually making yourself a priority and taking those steps to help yourself so for me, for example, walking is a big one. So, taking time and making sure I allocate time to actually go for a walk, I have bush land near me and spend some time in nature and that sort of stuff. So that's from a personal side and having, this without going too much into rabbit hole system, things that are happening that are really concerning. But there's some things that are majorly concerning for people, in terms of you said of the civil rights, their body sovereignty, their ability to be able to earn a living for some people. I mean, if you were working in the travel industry over the last year, your ability to earn a living would have been seriously affected. knowing yourself and taking steps in yourself to bring yourself back to the status. And I often find it's very easy. And I've seen a lot of it in this environment of wanting to bury your head in the sand and almost hand over your decisions in your thinking process to someone else's sin. A lot of people do that.Jodi Woelkerling31:10I'm sort of trying to work out how to actually put this. It's almost like the most resilient people I see are often the people who've gone through bad stuff, and they see the bad stuff. So, they see some of the very concerning patterns that are going on. And they're trying to operate from a place of keeping themselves okay and descend a little bit. Woohoo, to operate from a place of love and look at people who are who may because there's been one thing that's happened in this environment is a lot of division. And a lot of people talk about cancel culture and that sort of stuff, a lot of tensions with people who they weren't previously tensions with. So, the people from my perspective, who I see handling this with the most kind of logical, go back to the word Zen kind of way they stay. They're aware of in themselves, they see the patterns of what's going on. And they're coming from that place of love. And sometimes from that place of action in terms of dealing with it. So, there's certain legal people in the world, there's this, there's people who are really seriously fighting this. So though, not sure if I'm answering your question.Ari Gronich32:34That's okay. I'll get there. So, we worked around the rabbit hole, we want to dive into the rabbit hole. So stop beating around the bush, just go into the rabbit hole, where you really want to speak. You and I talked about this? I know what you had said to me.Jodi Woelkerling32:58Yeah. Yeah. So which particular rabbit hole you referring to? Ari Gronich33:03Well, we're talking about pressure cooker, we're talking about resilience, right? So, the pressure cooker is that the world is locking us up. And if we don't do something, as a person, as an individual, and as a community together, we're going to explode, right? So, if I'm going to try to avoid the explosion, or at least limit the amount of explosion and steam that can come out, then what am I going to do to be resilient? What am I going to do in order as a community to let off the scene without it becoming a violent expression?Jodi Woelkerling33:41Yep. Again, I'm going to go back to the knowing yourself developing your own self resilience. Ari Gronich33:48So with knowing yourself part. There's a lot of people who have never heard that statement. They've never heard the statement of becoming self-aware. That would be that would be woowoo. Enough for somebody they don't they've never heard I want to, why would they have never seen a mirror and seeing it as something other than a place to take a selfie? Right? So, there's an awareness of self-awareness that doesn't exist. I think for a lot of people, like a majority of people have no idea what self-awareness is. So, I want to take you away from that term. And just like let's define that out so that somebody who's listening who doesn't maybe know what that means can say, Okay, I want to become whatever that is that she just said, what do I do to do that? And why is it that I'm not that.Jodi Woelkerling34:44So often it takes an outside person to help you with this process, not for everybody. But this is where coaches and coaches are different to counselors in that they will do similar to what you're doing is a little bit of challenge and push outside of comfort zones. And notice that you're doing. I can tell I'm often for somebody who is really unaware, having an outside person will help them develop that in themselves. But so being self-aware is things like knowing your triggers, knowing your automatic reactions, realizing that is actually a choice, you actually choose to do that whether you're conscious of it or not. It's having the realization that just because I think it doesn't make it real. Because we always have this constant voice going around in our head, just because we think it doesn't mean it's the reality. So, people can develop in themselves. And there's, there's ways to do that. But for a lot of people, especially somebody who, as you said that the selfie, yeah, if they want to develop that it often would take a coach and an outside person to actually help them develop that in themselves. And why would they do that? It means that they can react at my own question, it means that they can react more from more from what is true to themselves, and what they really want in their soul rather than from automatic response. So, for example, I mentioned before, there's a lot of division happening now. Most people, and probably sounds Woohoo, but my theory is most people want love and connection in their life. And there's things that happen that mean that they push that away, but at our core, most people want love and connection. But if you are reacting with so just say there's somebody who has a different opinion to you or is reacting to what's going on in different ways to you. And your reaction to them, is aggression and disapproval and judgment. You're acting from either triggers a habitual response, a state of fear. There's all sorts of reasons why people are doing that at the moment. I mean, yeah. If they were self-aware, they will be aware that that's what they're doing, that they're maybe not reacting in a way that is true. coherence with who in their core they want to be.Ari Gronich37:42Right? So, I'm gonna, take this to Facebook, right? We're going to Facebook now. And somebody has written another something about something that just, I just am just so triggered by her. How do I do what you just said? I don't cancel culture. And I don't want to be the person who's triggered so I'm going to start attacking that person on their on their own posts, right? What do I do? What do I do? I'm triggered.Jodi Woelkerling38:22It's interesting, because I had this happened to me recently. And my response to it was, there's too much of this. My life's too short, and I stopped using Facebook. I use it for a little bit of this and it wasn't the first time it was just like the final straw. I use it for posting my business stuff. But otherwise, I pretty much don't use it anymore. So yeah, it's about what I did was go okay. There is no point arguing with this person or stating my point. Again. Ari Gronich38:59I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about the person who's triggered by your post, you post something. I'm triggered by your post. Who I do. To not be the person that is trolling to not be the person that is just reacting to every post that I don't agree with that, you know, like, that's actually becoming self-aware and saying, holy crap, I just got triggered by some random person's post. And I'm not going to do what I normally do and, you know, shout my, you know, trigger all over the other person, I'm going to be resilient. I'm going to figure out why this trigger is triggering me and I'm going to figure out what's causing me to have that reaction, right. So, the question that I'm asking you is, how does somebody go about realizing that they're being that they are the troll realizing that like, if everybody's the troll. Everybody, because you're the troll for your opinion, right? So if you're the troll for your opinion, and you're doing something where you want to cancel or you want to cut off, or you want to stop the trigger, right? So, so here's my thing, I don't want to stop the trigger, I want to stop my response to the trigger. That's how I want to be resilient. Cuz there's going to be triggers for my whole life that I'm not going to be able to stop, right? So I want to be resilient. And I want to stop my reaction to the triggers.Jodi Woelkerling0:05So I guess why went to me is because that's exactly what I did. So I was triggered by her response. And I went, Okay, what and try to work from that logical part of the brain? How can I respond to this for one response is his attack back? And obviously, that's you're saying what you don't want to do? And work. Okay, so what's a better solution to this? Is this something that I need to process in some way, by talking to somebody who comes from the same path as me? Do I need to scribble it down in a journal, process it in a way that you're not operating out of that emotional triggered state, because to me, that's the key. If you're acting on almost like survival type of emotions, which I think is what's happening with a lot of these tensions that are going on. People have their map of the world, which may be very, very different to person x, who's responded to the Facebook post. Basically, working in a way that you can process that you're not working from that emotional state. So again, if we're going to talk about the example with me, what I did was back off and not respond. And yes, I was emotionally triggered. But by pretty much went through a process in myself of almost decoding and I didn't journal actually mentally processed it myself and probably talked a little bit out loud to myself and that sort of stuff. So, process in a way that you're not working from that emotionally triggered state. Because that emotionally triggered state, you're not going to work in the most logical way.Ari Gronich1:54Yeah. And I'm just going to add one thing to that is typically taking yourself out of it like a third person, so treating yourself like you're a third person in the situation. Why does Ari feel that way?Jodi Woelkerling2:12But you're seeing yourself from an outside perspective. Yep. It's a good point. And once you're not emotionally emission it, you can then go, logically, what's my next best step? So, for me, I was triggered emotionally processed it and go, well, what's the best way forward? And my conclusion was, well, am I actually achieving anything by continuing using Facebook and I just went up to my logical reaction was, my life's too short, I don't need this rubbish. And I walked away. And I mean, that can apply to so many different things. Oh, my gosh, it's so highlighted, as you said, by what's going on at the moment, there is division and cancelling of, if you have a different opinion to me, you're therefore less of a person or whatever, which is just, I don't know, it just goes so against what people want to do in their souls. And I know I sound probably Woohoo, and idealistic. But really, in the end, we don't want to be treating other people badly. It's an emotive reaction that really it so we wouldn't want to do.Ari Gronich3:24Right. So unfortunately, that seems to be the case. For at least, you know, like, half of the culture this these days is like, as if you don't agree with every single thought that I had, and going back 20 years, 30 years, 40 years, if ever any point in time, you did not agree with the thought that I have now, I must cancel you. Because I can't be around anything that isn't exactly the same as the way that I feel. Now, that to me is the antithesis of resilience, the antithesis of adaptability, right. It's the opposite, saying that the whole culture of canceled culture, If I can't have you exactly the way I want you, then you're going to be gone. Right?Jodi Woelkerling4:24That's you're saying that easily isn't really.Ari Gronich4:27Antithesis. It's the exact opposite of resilience. So, resilience is, it doesn't matter what you believe, I can still be your friend, I can still have a conversation with you. I can still love you no matter what. I don't have to agree with every word you say, but I'm resilient in my open mind and my thinking, I'm resilient in my body. If I get injured, I'm going to bounce back and I'm going to train and I'm going to get better. I'm not going to let that injury takes me out of life, right? So that's resilience to me is the is that core, bouncing back, there is no resilience and cancel culture, there's no resilience. There's no strength, there's no power. There's no nothing in cancel culture, it's the most intense form, in my opinion of weakness, of human nature that human nature could ever produce.Jodi Woelkerling5:27Yep. And as we both said, we're seeing a lot of it at the moment. And I think it's a sign of people, you know, you're talking about it is a sign of people not being resilient, and then being really pressured by what's actually going on externally that's, they feel like it's not in their control, they feel fearful.Ari Gronich5:48Yeah, right. So, then the question becomes, with all of the bombardment of society these days, how does somebody stay in that state of resilience, right? How does somebody stay there, so that they can actually be a contributing factor to the world versus somebody who's sucked up by the world? Jodi Woelkerling6:14So, the first side is if you are feeling so being the self-awareness, as I've said, and if you are feeling triggered, having things to bring yourself back to calm, and I'm quite happy to share those with the audience, too. So, there's certain ways, okay, so different things work for different people, but there are certain they talked to the physiological stress response helped to reset your physiology back to, to a steady calm. So, things like deep belly breathing, where you sit up right, and you're breathing very slowly from the bottom of your lungs, he can tell you during that because your belly goes in and out. And you can do just a couple of minutes of that, and that will reset physiological response. There's a series of other ones. My favorite one is actually I call it giving yourself a hug. So, you do this, it actually physiologically changes you back to a state of calm. I say it feels like a warm hug from grandma. There's all sorts of other ones as well that bring yourself back to calm so you canAri Gronich7:23And the rolling out the ears does that a little bit. So, in brain gym, there's this technique for thinking caps. As your whole body is represented in your ears the same way as in your hands the same way as in your feet. And reflexology. This looks like a baby in the womb. Right? And so, all of these points are points that relate to your body. And so, if you roll out your ears it magically touches a button and helps with that the one that I tell all of my autistic parents, parents of autistic kids is right about here. There's like a notch. If you tap slowly, like a heartbeat 42 times it basically will calm the anxiety response of a child who's going through an autistic, like, anxiety attack.Jodi Woelkerling8:43That's, that's a good one for autistic kids because mom and dad can do it. Yeah. Interest this, there's a whole range of them. Um, my favorite one for people who are in positions where they're surrounded by people. And so, if you do this, or you do this, it's pretty obvious you're doing something. So, the one that I tell people to go to, if they're surrounded by people, and they don't want people around them to realize they're doing something is when you feel stressed, your mouth dries up. And most people can pick realize this. So, things like public speaking, most people, when they're nervous about public speaking, they find that their mouth dry. It's a physiological reaction to as part of the whole stress, fight or flight. If you stop yourself from swallowing your saliva, let it build up and swirl it around in your mouth. That's telling the body that I'm not in this life-or-death situation and bring you back to calm that's my favorite for people who are surrounded by other people. So, like they're in a boardroom meeting or whatever. Yeah, but there's a whole range of them. So that's the first part recognizing bring yourself back to come but there's also a lot of lifestyle things that you can do that means that you are more able to react from this state. And with what's happened over the last 18 months, I wonder how much of this is related. So, the lifestyle things I mean, you mentioned meditation and mindfulness, they're definitely part of it. But your basic, your free health basics of sleep, diet and exercise, have an enormous difference. So, if I do sleep as an example, most people when they're feeling stressed, one of the first thing that gets affected is the quality or quantity of sleep. So, they have the racy mind, or they wake up lots or there are wide awake at four o'clock in the morning, can't get back to sleep. So, if you're stressed, your sleeps affected, the flip is also the case that if you're you haven't had a good night's sleep, you're less able to handle stressors as they come in your life. So, it works both ways. So, there are so many things that help build your ability to deal with other things in in your life. So, as I said, sleep, diet, exercise, connections with other people, ways of processing the things going around in your head. So, one of my favorite for people who are triggered a lot and are feeling a lot of emotional is fears and resentment journaling. So, this is this is a technique that I kind of picked up from a lady who I follow on YouTube. That's basically it's a way of almost like a brain dump and a processing of what am I fearful of? What am I resentful of? And by actually physically recording them in a journal, you're getting yourself out of that emotionally triggered state, putting it onto the paper and it's almost like a relief process. So, things like gratitude journaling, a fantastic but if you're feeling really triggered, you almost need kind of both Yeah,Ari Gronich12:12I find that gratitude journals are great if you're feeling gratitude, if you're not feeling gratitude, they suck. The whole concept of doing gratitude, when you're not feeling gratitude, to me is a misnomer because you have to go through the crap in order to get to the shine. And the gratitude comes only from going through the crap. Right? So if you're not willing to do that step, then you're just faking yourself as far as the gratitude journals go.Jodi Woelkerling12:46You're making a really good point because one thing that I see in people I've got some people who I've come across in my life who love and light people, they're gorgeous people but they love and light and everything's got a positive spin and I don't want to hear about or talk about the negative. Yeah, what that means is often they I find that that that doesn't really in the end fix anything right?Ari Gronich13:16Avoidance is always the greatest of ways to avoid fixing anythingJodi Woelkerling13:21What you'll generally find is it'll show in other ways so it will show so just say they've had a huge trauma in their life and they go I'm on level nine I'm not processing or looking at that it'll generally shun says this is yeah it'll show in other ways so things like illnesses or yes some sort of other dysfunction so in order to actually move beyond something authentically and sustainably and again resiliently is to actually it's almost like look the monster in the face a lot of spiritual people will call it Shadow Work so working through the sides of yourself that you generally don't want to see they're uncomfortable to see and by actually working through those you're actually able to move beyond them so I agree with you in terms of the gratitude journaling if you're in a deep dark place gratitude journaling is not the go to. Ari Gronich14:24You know it's funny at the saying just popped in my head just now, the saying is if the only thing you see is the light then you are the shadow.Jodi Woelkerling14:37Oh, that's interesting, because he said that the coachAri Gronich14:40Yeah, I just made it up. Jodi Woelkerling14:42Oh, there you go. We'll have to write that down and put a put it in in the history books, but you're right. I agree.Ari Gronich14:48My team will take care of that. But the reason why I say that is because every time I've done Shadow Work, I'm delight doing my shadow work, right. So, I'm Shining a light into the shadows right but if all I see is light there's no contrast that makes me the contrast, I'm the shadow. So, it's just kind of interesting that because in that new age world you know so many people want to be enlightened so many people, I want to be enlightened I want to be enlightened I want to be enlightened, I want to raise my vibration I want to go up I want to higher, higher, right? frequency higher this higher that. But we're human and we're like, we're spiritual beings having a human experience, not the other way around. So why do we continually want to die and go back to spirit instead of live in this human body that we're in? And so that's where I go like, okay, so yeah, I don't want to get that enlightened. You know, like, I'll do that when I'm dead. Right now, I want to get really, really, really good at living this life and turning those shadows into light.Jodi Woelkerling16:05It's such a good point. Um, I think a lot of people avoid it, when they're either not aware of it, or they it's, it's scary and confronting to go through Shadow Work. If you look at a lot of people who are spiritual teachers. So, there's a there's a lady called Christina Lopes, who, who I follow fairly closely. She's a spiritual coach and a spiritual teacher. Her and a lot of other spiritual teachers will talk about the stages of spiritual awakening. And a major part of that is they call it dark night of the soul, which is basically you're working through your shadow, you're almost living in your shadow in order to and it's only by working through that, that you actually go to the next stages of spiritual awakening. But it is hard it's uncomfortable, it's hard. For a lot of people, they will choose the old go do something that's,Ari Gronich17:13They choose the easy route of living mundane lives instead of going through the hard You know, route of living in a fantastic life.Jodi Woelkerling17:23Or they'll live painkilling life, right? Ari Gronich17:27It's not the painkiller. See that, to me is the misnomer. I think that the people who are who are not challenging themselves to go through it, are the people who are suffering the most in mediocrity.Jodi Woelkerling17:42Probably. So, for example, um, there are there are things that you can do that in the moment may feel good, but in the end, they're really not good for you. So obvious things are things like alcohol and access, cake, candy, pizza. There's things that that in in small amounts are absolutely, they fine, but to access and for them to be emotional Gosha and painkilling. In the moment, it might be okay, but long term, it's really not the best for you. There's that's where a lot of people go to it takes more of a level of bravery and more of a level of self-empowerment to actually go No, that isn't the reaction that I want and more of a level of looking for what's the if you take the cake and the food stuff as an example, it's your perception of pleasure and pain. So are you focusing on the eating this salad I really hate salad, it's just horrible eating salad. And I don't think that way. But if you're focusing on why this thing that you're doing that's meant to be good for your body, your is painful, you're very unlikely to actually stick to it.Jodi Woelkerling19:09Whereas if you focus on all this, this pizza is making me feel so good. Which I don't think people physically do that. But anyway, if they are focusing on the pleasure is on the eating, then they're, less likely to be able to sustain the change long term. Whereas if they go, Okay, I'm eating this salad what that means as my body is getting the nutrients it needs, it means that I'm dropping these extra extra weight that I want to drop over and they're focusing on the pleasure of the good outcome. It's a Tony Robbins thing that the pleasure and pain concept, but I think it's actually really, really true. It's like, if you look at rich people and you feel resentful towards them. When you try and get rich yourself, you're subconsciously going to go I'm going to be a bad person if I'm rich, and you will subconsciously, you won't even be aware of it most of the time, sabotage yourself, there's so many things like that in life. Ari Gronich20:06Absolutely. So, let's kind of wrap up resilience in this world with like, three tips and tricks you haven't used that you use with your clients. And so, something that people can do today, to start activating their vision for a better world, meaning they want to create a new tomorrow, something in this life is going to trigger them, it's going to stop them, it's going to slow them down, it's going to be a barrier in their way. We want them to have resilience so that they can activate their vision for a better world, give them three things that they can do, immediately.Jodi Woelkerling20:45Yep. So, I would say, to develop your self-awareness. So, you can do that in various ways. I mean, I mentioned it several times through, you can develop in several ways. So, things like mindfulness practices are really good for developing a self-awareness. So, for example, mindfulness meditation means that just say, You're triggered and you're feeling stressed, there are certain physiological reactions that happen in your body, most people aren't aware of them in the body, or mentally, if you develop mindfulness, then you're better able to spot that in yourself. So that would be the first thing is a mindfulness practice. And it can be mindfulness meditation, it can be consciously doing things that you would do on automatic pilot, it could be, as I mentioned, I go for walks in nature, consciously tuning into all of the bird sounds. And so, mindfulness would be the first one. So, with the aim of being aware of what's happening, because I always run with the theory of you can't overturn or stop something unless you're aware of it. So it's always that the starting point. The second thing I would say, is have a look in those things in your life that are that need tweaking that need work on them that are better for your well-being long term. So, as I said, things like sleep, diet, exercise, relationships, work life balance, have almost do like a real thought process of Okay, what do I really need to work on here. And I mentioned sleep kind of repeatedly because it's one of the most common ones, that's a problem for people. And it's not just about quantity, it's also about the quality of the sleep.Ari Gronich22:37There are five cycles that people need to go through every single night. And most people get two of those. Two of those cycles. And those cycles are what puts you into that deep REM sleep where you actually are producing human growth hormone, which means that you're recovering from stress, you're building your muscle tissue, your repairing scar down, you know, scar tissue and damage that you've done to yourself. So, all of those things happen during this one particular cycle of sleep. And you need to have five of those in order to have proper physiological function. And most people are getting approximately two of those a night.Jodi Woelkerling23:23I'm preaching to the converted Ari. And you said 30, I would say to go through and work on those subconscious things. So, we touched on that a bit with the shadow work, but most people to various degrees, have things that have happened, the subconscious things that are automatic reactions in your life, and they're often established around those first seven years of your life. So, what I mean by that is things like, beliefs, values, perceptions, there are automatic things that people have in their life, actually really do that work and uncover them. And if I'm working with people, one on one with coaching, I talk about the three levels and pretty much the three tips I've just gone through level one, level two, level three, the level three is where when I'm coaching with people, I spent the bulk of the time because they're the things that people aren't generally aware of the normally subconscious and the things that have an enormous effect on our life and the way we handle and respond to things so working through those subconscious things are my gosh, it can be absolutely life changing. Yeah, so just say a given example because I'm talking fairly high level. So just say you have a core belief that you're not you're not capable Which a lot of people actually have it's like an inner core belief of they're not they're not good enough that actually uncovering that and working on an overturning and over a period of time can be I'm not exaggerating when I say it can be absolutely life changing.Ari Gronich25:21Awesome. Thank you so much for being here I appreciate you greatly. And where can people get ahold of you if they'd like to learn more?Jodi Woelkerling25:31Yep, so my websites a really good sort of start go to so my I'm sure in the show notes you'll have my full name so it's just jodiwoelkerling.com. So my website if you're on LinkedIn I'm fairly active on LinkedIn so you can look Jodi Woelkerling up on LinkedIn and message me that way. I've for anybody who's in kind of leadership positions I've got a book that's about I'm not sure what your lead time is on shows everywhere. Currently mid-September now so probably in the next week or so that will be released. So, if you're interested in getting a copy of that..Ari Gronich26:16We'll have that link down below. Jodi Woelkerling26:20Beautiful websites definitely the place and if you want to chat to me this this spots in there that you can reach out to have a complimentary starting chat. Ari Gronich26:29Perfect thank you so much for being here. This has been another great episode of create a new tomorrow I'm your host Ari Gronich and I just wish you all activating your vision for a better world creating a new tomorrow for yourself and those around us. Let's get moving on this people. solutions are up it's time for him let's engage contacts me Subscribe, comment, play with me hang out. Let's change the world together.

Here with us today is Jason Szeftel. He is an expert with China politics. Listen how we tackle issues regarding force labor and many more.======================================Ari Gronich0:25Welcome back to another episode of creating a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. And today I have with me Jason Szeftel. Jason is an expert in China politics. He is a writer, a podcaster, and a consultant. He's been in the world of sustainability. And I'm really excited to have a conversation with him about all of that, because, you know, this world we're living in is changing. And we are creating a new tomorrow today and activating our vision for a better world. And Jason might have some good ways for you to do that. And, you know, relationships with the rest of the world. Jason, welcome to the show.Jason Szeftel1:45Thanks, Ari. I'm glad to be here.Ari Gronich1:49Why don't you tell us a little bit about your background, how you got started in, in the relationship with China, and some of your sustainability and those kinds of things. your background?Jason Szeftel2:02Yeah, sure. My China angle for me goes back a long time, probably around 20 years. But I was really, really got interested in China around when 911 and the Iraq war. And all of that really started. That was very curious about not even curious, I was kind of worried and curious and tense and nervous, wondering what was going on in the world, are we going to see with China, the same sort of bizarre miscalculations and hysterical reactions we saw with the US in Iraq and Afghanistan. And then here we are 20 years later, and we've kind of fled with our tail tucked between our legs. And over that time, I just wanted to learn what was really going on in China, what the country was really about what to do with a country that's so large and complex. And we had to understand we have to really understand it, if you want to have any sort of way to get our hands around where it's going and where it comes from. Really. And then yeah, so I started I went, I learned Chinese. In college, I got a scholarship to study in China, in Beijing, at Beijing University. There, I learned about various systems. Actually, that's where a lot of the sustainability stuff came in. I was really interested early on, in how are we developing the world today? How, what systems what electrical types of systems are we building, sustainable water systems, transportation systems, all of this. And when I was actually in China, I was studying their transportation networks, agricultural systems, their demography, all of those inputs that kind of give us the societies that we live in. I was just very curious where that was going. And yeah, at the time, that was the, you know, 2010 to 2015, I was in and out of China, most of the time. And that was where that was kind of the heyday for me of sustainability, and what kind of sustainable future we were going to build. And I actually learned a lot of things that kind of set me against a lot of the mainstream about how would we would get that done? And what would work and what wouldn't work? And yeah, so I've just been kind of putting some pieces together, trying to figure out what could work and what we could do, and then trying to share it with people.Ari Gronich4:00Awesome. So you know, this show is all about going against the mainstream. So let's talk about a little bit of what the mainstream solutions are. And what you've found, are the flaws in those systems, and you know, how they can be improved?Jason Szeftel4:17Sure, well, right now, the two main systems from a sort of renewable energy perspective, it could just take this sort of green energy, which is very important, since the Industrial Revolution, you need energy to run society to run any of these civilizations, any of these industrial systems. And we've typically ran on fossil fuels, coal, oil, natural gas, and everyone, every where's talking about how we're going to get rid of them. And the main two that we've come up with are basically wind turbines, wind energy, and then solar energy with solar panels. And these two things are awesome. I have nothing against them. I think they're very cool. But the issue is that most of the world, the vast majority of the world does not have the solar irradiation you need or the wind speed, height and consistency that you need to have panels, I mean startup panels or turbines running. So if you sort of map it out, and you look at the sort of places where you have the right solar conditions, or at certain conditions that radiation you need, or the right wind conditions, to a very small percentage of the world. And you if you put that next to the places that have the population centers nearby, it's tough otherwise, you have to build very, very large transmission systems. And in the United States, for example, it's very tough to build a single transmission line, it can take decades, it can take 10,15 years. And so, red tape, but a lot of things, it could be environmental things, you could be crossing a lot of preserve, you know, sort of habitats that need to be preserved or endangered species, it can cross through tribal lands, red tape, and then yeah, and then there's increasing backlash from a lot of rural areas. So in California, the two oldest areas for one of the tools areas for wind and solar energy is near Palm Springs. And people in Palm Springs now see a lot of the solar and wind energy production as almost industrializing the landscape. So they don't want to see wind turbines, as far as the eye can see that I want solar panels on all land surrounding them. And it's a real challenge. So that's particularly on the left, where there's so much investment in these two technologies, there's ever more competing interests. And it's interesting that these are both environmental versus environmental, environmental versus humanitarian, environmental versus sometimes racial or other other justice issues.Ari Gronich6:38So when it comes to those two, right, we're not talking about something that I've thought of as a great source of energy for years, which is wave energy, right, the flowing of waves, so they're constantly coming into shore, there is a way to harness that energy, right. But we're not talking about that as far as like a main kind of energy source. The other thing that comes to mind with regards to things like the wind turbines, right, I remember reading, this is maybe 12, 13 years ago, and a Popular Science magazine was a wind turbine that was horizontal. So instead of vertically spinning, it's been horizontal and spun on basically a fulcrum. So there was very little resistance. So it was like a three mile per hour breeze that would cause it to generate energy, which is almost nothing and can be found almost everywhere. Yet, those kinds of newer forms of the old technology still aren't being adopted, right? The solar panels are just starting to undergo transformation in their technology as well. To make you know them less expensive. So here's my question, the point of that rant is, when it comes to these things, how quickly can we move with technology if we got out of our own way, rather than holding technology back due to money concerns and other things like that?Jason Szeftel8:31Yeah, it's an open question. But even you bring up a really good point, that there are different styles of these sorts of technologies, and some of them aren't being considered as much. A big reason why is that? It's a question of scale, and centralization, and a lot of ways. So the large solar and wind companies are just as invested in controlling these resources as a typical fossil fuel company, oil company is. So they want to build giant wind farms. And giant solar farms. Because it gives you scale, it gives you a large size. They're not as interested in doing small micro local sorts of things. There's a big battle going on between should we have giant, giant transmission lines all over the world and all over the country in sort of take advantage of the great wind corridors in the center of the country and sort of shift the energy out, you know, and take advantage of, you know, the Southwest, the United States for solar, or should we try and do this in a more diffuse distributed way, where you have little, little power plants everywhere? I mean that's a big question. Yeah, I mean, that's just one of the things we always got to remember. It's trillions of dollars to replace the grid. And it brings up real questions about reliability, about who runs it, how the systems work, because they're not meant for solar panels on every house. That's not how they're designed. And we'll see where it goes. But you also bring up the question of the tech, the actual, how far can we go? With the technologies we have and so, on solar panels, there's about there's an efficiency threshold, we really not gonna be able to go beyond it. But it's very good, I mean, it's very good. And then with wind turbines, you're sort of what they've decided to do is just go for bigger and bigger turbines, they're not really changing, like, the arrangement of them, they really just want them huge. I mean, I think they're multiple football fields long at this point. And that's also really good for the companies. Companies like vest das in Europe, the manufacturers, these because no one is gonna come at you, if you manage. If you're manufacturing things that big. It's, there's very few companies that can do it. The other question is the industry, where's it located? So and so one of the things with solar panels Is that something like 80% of all solar panels are built in China. And most of the polysilicon one of the key ingredients comes from shinjang. Whereas run it where the entire system runs on forced labor. So there's a big question about, well, should we be getting solar panels from there? You know, if we ramp it up to kind of expand it all over the country and all over the world to run on solar energy? Are we going to do that on the backs of forced labor, in western China, with their people, and basically, in concentration camps, three indoctrination camps and stuff like that? These are real questions. And it's, again, I think there's a strong corporate push at this time behind traditional renewable energy in the form of solar and wind companies. And I find a lot of dishonest at this point, especially because they pretend like there's gonna be a big green revolution in terms of energy and jobs. It's like, No, you guys are just buying panels from China and installing them. The jobs are an installation and construction, it's like, those are temporary jobs, you get the build out, you get the time you get the jobs from the build out, then it's gone.Ari Gronich11:45So, you know, let's say, I mean, we obviously can't change China's stance on how they treat their employees. And at least it up till now our policies are as such that it is tremendously incentivized to work with China, right? versus other places that have maybe better policies towards their people. So how do we bridge that gap between bringing those jobs back to America, bringing those jobs actually to anywhere that they're going to be installed, the manufacturing should be kind of in the areas in which there'll be installed? So that we're always buying local, right? So even big companies can, you know, think a little differently and do that. But how do we bridge those gaps?Jason Szeftel12:43Yeah, that's a great question. And I think you really nailed it, it's going to be more production, where the consumption or the installation happens. That's where things are trending. And the way it works is that China basically flooded the market with solar panels, and did them below cost so no one else can compete to basically cornered the market during the 2010s. That's what happened. They just wiped out the competition. It was not. Again, you don't want to say what's fair, unfair in sort of global economics, it's kind of not how it works. But that's the game they played, and they did very well. So most US solar panel manufacturers are all gone. And what they're relying on now is industrial policy. So they're relying on the Biden administration just like the Trump administration to start, basically, preventing, incentivizing things to make it happen, make them happen in the US subsidizing things, tariffing, different products from abroad, and basically trying to rearrange the global production system we've had since the 1980s. That's kind of what's happening. We see it in semiconductors, we see it in certain solar energy stuff, we see it with certain rare earth minerals. It just goes on and on. It's kind of what we're seeing across the board. COVID really set this, I mean, just set this loose after with the PPE and all of the vaccine problems, mean people in the United States would be freezing out if we didn't have vaccines made in the country. If they were coming from India or China, it would be even worse. So it really gave people a sense of almost like a national security thing for production for the economy. And we're seeing it. I mean, it's almost a bipartisan thing at this point. So we'll see where it goes. But that's where things are happening. We're not really trying to help other countries as much anymore, trying to prevent it from being in China. Number one, trying to build it here. And then we'll figure everything else out later. That's kind of the thought process.Ari Gronich14:26Yeah, well, so my thought process is always How can we plan and work backwards versus, you know, plan from the end result, right. So, in my case, this series I told you about, when in our pre interview, the series of books that I'm writing, tribal living in a modern world is a lot about how do we take technology and marry it with nature, marry it with a natural way of living that does support all the people on the planet and In a way, that's not like the planet isn't killing us because of what we've done to it, right? So how do we marry the modern, the technology, the influx of this revolution that started with the industrial revolution? and bring it back to a sustainable natural flow so that they're kind of together and helping one another versus destroying one another?Jason Szeftel15:30Yeah, that's a big question. I think it's one of the things that really animated the sort of sustainability movement, the more modern one that's more technologically focused since the mid 2000s. It's been a huge question that we need this greater sense with global warming, with climate change, with anything going on in the world. And even with the sort of political conflicts you see everywhere, resource conflicts, water conflicts, that we have to do something. But there is a real question. And a real challenge, just because it's not clear that we can do this for everyone everywhere. what's likely is that the sort of place that could have a sort of marriage of nature and technology is a place like the United States that puts the money into it really invest in it develops a host of new technologies which don't exist, and then is able to sort of transform its society and economy while also keeping it stable, and productive and healthy. Most places on earth cannot do that. And so for China, for example, trying to just transform the Chinese energy system is a massive, massive undertaking. So they use 50% more energy in China than in the United States. And they have all the dirty industries on Earth, right? They do more steel manufacturing, like steel and aluminum preachers like 50% of the entire world, they pull 50% of all the coal in the world out of the ground. Everything. I mean, all these really, really energy intensive, dirty industries, whether it's, you know, minerals processing, or gas, or steel and steel in different smelting procedures. It's just that everything is 30% of world manufacturing. So how do you retool this entire production node in the world to run on new forms of energy? I mean, it's trill again, trillions and trillions of dollars. And it's tough for China to do because they need low costs for everything they have to keep people employed. They can't have dislocated people running out of the factories and started marching through the streets, like you saw on a bit in Hong Kong. I think that it's really tough to see I actually see more countries, not marrying nature and technology in a wholesome way, but sort of heading heading back down in a bad way, not able to get the resources they need, not able to evolve their economy and the way they need not able to sort of bring society forward. At the same time as they're doing all this. It's just extremely difficult. And even in the United States, we don't have the best politically minded, cooperative sort of party system right now. So we'll see how that goes.Ari Gronich17:57I mean, if you were to if you were to like if you were to be doing this, right, but I was Biden, for instance, and you are giving me your, you know, five minutes, so to speak, your your elevator pitch on why I should listen to your consulting, and what I should be doing with the country. As far as this aspect goes, what would you be saying to me?Jason Szeftel18:28I don't want to shirk the question. But I will say that I don't think that the President has nearly as much power as people thinkAri Gronich18:33I understand that. And, and here's how, here's where I feel the power lies. The power lies in somebody like Kennedy saying, we're going to the moon, you have a decade to do it. You know, it's just gonna be done. It's like a mandate, right? They say something, and then the world kind of starts doing the things to make that happen. Right. So Biden has the power of a leadership position where he can create a mandate, he can say, this is what we're doing, you know, like a Kennedy would, I don't think we've had anybody since Kennedy, like that. Jason Szeftel19:17We'll also think our government or federal government's not as competent as it was particularly starting in the 1970s. Its ability to actually execute on programs like that for multi decade or even 5, 6, 10 years. It's just completely almost disappeared. So what we see is some of the biggest revolutions are just privately funded things. So for example, the shale revolution, particularly in Texas, North Dakota, and in Pennsylvania, all these small places, they, it was revolutionary for the US energy system, but it wasn't didn't come through any federal initiatives and actually sort of had to push back against a lot of state initiatives that didn't want fracking and didn't want all this stuff to happen. But it's been probably the biggest energy transformation in 50 years in the United States. So I'm very wary of, I love the idea, I love going to the moon, setting the mission, setting the plan. But even look at NASA since the end of the Cold War, NASA hasn't been able to do anything right now. It's gonna be Elon Musk that goes to the moon with his rockets in Texas.Ari Gronich20:15Now, I understand that. But here's the thing, I guess is the difference. Most people believe that when the government says, Let's do a mandate, that it's the government doing the job, right? You don't realize that it's the private contractors, it's the private citizens, the private companies, the engineers, the geniuses, that are actual human beings, right, that are doing the job that are getting paid. So when they hear something like this will be trillions and trillions of dollars, they don't hear Cha Ching, that means that we're going to be getting paid. That means that our communities are going to have sustainable incomes, and we're going to have a future and we're going to have money to spend and we're going to have things to do all they hear is it's going to cost trillions of dollars. Right? So I guess this is where, yes, I believe that private companies are the answer, private citizens, private people, but I believe that there needs to be some kind of level of incentive that says, You guys got to do this. And you gotta do it now. Because we're not waiting anymore. For your, you know, return on investment, so to speak, we're looking at what's the newest technology? How can we get it out the fastest and most effective, etc.Jason Szeftel21:37Yeah, so I don't want to shirk your question, I'll get back to it and just say, I think that what I would what I would tell them to focus on is, you know, actually try and focus on technology development in certain key areas and stop thinking about technology as just new texting apps, and new video messaging apps and stuff like that. We've really diluted the meaning of the word, technology. And it's really tragic. And some of the consequences. So I'd say, you know, focus on encouraging people to develop new ways to deal with natural disasters. Are there better ways that we can deal with fires? Is there something better than throwing water on it? Right, is there something we could do, you know what I mean, things like that, I think are very important. Ari Gronich22:16You're in LA, right?Jason Szeftel22:17I am in LA? Yeah, I am familiar with it.Ari Gronich22:19I saw 310 cuz my numbers were 310. And so I used to live through those LA fires, right. And I had an idea once and I brought it to the government. I said, Let's plant some ice plants all alongside the mountains, they grow very well there. They don't need a lot of water, but they hold a lot of water. It's like planting cactus, they'll keep a lot of that area from, you know, from burning, because it'll extinguish the fires, but nobody listened. was kind of interesting. It was like a really easy thing I felt like to do. But you're right. We're not telling people to do that.Jason Szeftel23:00Yeah, and it's a lot of the reason is just the government contracting methods. So let's say you and I had an idea for how to better, you know, fight fires in California, well, we'd go and we'd pitch something to, you know, probably this callfire, it would take, you know, three years for them to get back to us. And then you know, we get a decision, then we'd start we get to work on the project for maybe two, three more years. And it's just, it's this massive, extended timeline to try things out. So I believe they should be more encouraging of a lot more experimentation in agriculture and transportation technologies in electrical and energy technologies. I mean, the places bizarre. I mean, even the right to try, that's, I think that's a very good policy, like let's, you know, people are going to die, they have no other options. We should try things if they want, if they want to pay consent, you know, try things. I think that's a good policy. But it's funny, the place where you see the bizarre small innovation and experimentation is often in the military. The military has things like DARPA, that are invested in trying to push things forward with technology. And a lot of impressive technologies have come out of that. So we need a bit more of that focus. It's just very hard to get it together in government, especially the state governments trying to contract with state governments is not fun. So those procedures, I think a lot of things related to it sounds a bit, you know, buzzworthy, but smart government things that can just running the systems for government on more modern systems would be a really good thing. The reason everything's so bad on a government website is because it took the same thing we said, three, you know, six years ago, seven years ago, they had an idea for the website for unemployment benefits in Florida. And then, you know, crisis hits, and it all collapses because it was like, well, this thing was basically 2010 technology, and we don't live in that and it can't be updated. It's not right. It's not right.Ari Gronich24:47Yeah, you know. That's part of like, in general. My issue with business, with government, with what I see in the world, like, I see the technologies as they come out, you know, like the prototypes and the things that people are working on and they're showing done. And then I see what's out and I go, there's such a gap, it's like a 50 year gap between what is here, and what's developed and could be out. And bridging those together is usually a conversation of money, which to me is like the silliest conversation we could have, right? Money is something we made up, the planet, we didn't make up. You know, we didn't make up the need of money to be people who wanted to innovate or grow or things like that, I just find that by using that money as the excuse not to, we have stunted our personal growth, our financial growth, our systemic growth, and, you know, our technological growth.Jason Szeftel26:11Yeah, the places where you see the most technological growth tend to be places with a big consumer market that you can keep coming back to. So if you look at iPhones, or consumer electronics, you get a lot of innovation, just because every year you can put up something new and you can convince them to buy it. And that's huge, big promise for these technologies is if you just have a government buyer, if you just have something like that you can't get rates of innovation and iteration that you need to really continuously advance them. And so in China, for example, there's a new policy, not new five, six years old, called civil military fusion, where basically the Chinese government realized that they can't develop military technology, as it's as good as a lot of consumer stuff. And so what they're doing is trying to actively take consumer technologies, things like electronics, or little drones, that kids use to take videos or whatever to and bring that into the military, because they've realized that the military timelines are now too long and too slow for the same reason. And the United States has actually the same problem. They tried to have a big military cloud product they bought it from there's a whole brouhaha between Microsoft and Amazon. And they basically just said, you know, we're gonna cancel the contract, even though it's four or five years old, because already the technology is already too old. So there's a real challenge of bringing, we actually see. have to find a way to either give something a consumer market, to let it innovate continuously, right? Or you're in trouble. And so it's, that's the place where you can really see a lot of innovation, it's just hard to get. That's why so many technologies just die on the vine, can't pay the people to keep doing it.Ari Gronich27:44So there was something I saw recently, and it was, I think Samsung had their TVs on a subscription, where you're paying just, you know, a monthly amount, and you get the TV and every couple years or whatever, you get the latest one. So you send them back that one, you get the latest one kind of like Apple does with the iPhones these days. And stuff like that. Would it be with you know, if we have to have a money system, I think that would be a good money system is we have a subscription model instead of a buy for model. And that way, we're encouraging innovation versus encouraging people to have to get rid of their inventory before they can sell anything new.Jason Szeftel28:32Yeah, I mean, a lot of things are moving towards the subscription model. It's pretty crazy. Everything feels like it's a subscription. Now, Netflix is a subscription, your entertainment is a subscription. Even writers are doing subscription stuff on substack. There's a subscription ification of everything. It feels like I think there's a good reason why it gives you reliable recurring revenue in a way that one off purchases, that could be one year four, five, six in between really don't do. And often you just don't need as many as much marketing, customer acquisition can be a lot lower, smaller enough to do as best as much. If you have someone in there with you for years, it's reliable revenue, you can loan you could lend off of it, you can do a lot of cool stuff. So I don't think it's going to replace the money system. But it's becoming a bigger and bigger part of the way services are sold in almost every app and every sort of cool app on the internet or on your Mac or on your iPhone. They want you to subscribe because it gives them the certainty that they'll have money and they'll actually continue to invest in improving the technology or at least keeping it up to date for the newest operating system. There's a lot of apps I'll get on my Mac that are free that once you update to a new operating system. They just never updated either because they don't have any incentive to so the subscriptions are definitely here to stay. Although they're kind of getting out of control. They want you to have a subscription for like boxes for your dog. And like everything.Ari Gronich29:56I'm I'm more thinking like if that was the model we went to for technology, like, you know, whether it be our energy system, we're on subscription models, but they don't update the technology with every month, you know, the way that we're paying for subscription, they keep the technology, kind of they maintain it, but they they're not always updating. So that's where I'm thinking, like, Is there a way I just want ways I want things that we can do something that people if they're listening to this in the background, the audience, you know, they're like, what do I do, I'm passionate about something, and I want to be able to, you know, create a sustainable life, I want to create sustainable living with all the subscriptions people are going broke. Because they don't realize that the $9 here and the $10 there and the $9, there's adding up to $3,000. Right, so I you know, it's like, how do we get to where innovation and sustainability technology, and free flowing ideas is like the norm again, kind of like the Roman era or the Greek, you know, era where people were the Renaissance, where it was all about rebirth and growing, I think we've like hit this stage in our evolution, where it's like, we like we got to a place in the 50s, where we liked it, and we just want to stay there forever. And, and so, how do we get back to that rebirth? mentality? I know, you talked a little bit about the psychology of it.Jason Szeftel31:44Yeah, I'm with you on that. I think there's a bit of stasis. And you know, we're all watching Tick tok, and watching videos and all the subscriptions we have are typically little consumer comforts, that let us just keep doing what we're doing, kind of avoid the fact that the rest of the world that we live in, looks exactly like it did in 1970. None of the new physical systems are there, most of LA was built, every home feels like it's a weird, poorly built stucco building from the 70s. They were supposed to go up for like 5, 10 years be replaced and then never get replaced. So yeah, we live, you know, our digital comforts, and digital, little digital consumer electronics really helped us avoid realizing and looking at the fact that the world around us otherwise looks completely old, 50 years old. And you know, in China, it's a bit different, everything is brand new. So there's actually a lot more of a forward looking hungry edge to it, they've seen transformation in their lifetimes in a way that most of us have not. So to get back to it is a real, I mean, it's I think it's like a key key thing we all need to be thinking about. But for stuff, little people, I mean, stuff, little things people can do. That little people, I mean, the challenge with energy is that you often need huge, multi billion dollar investments. So that's not it. But so I mean, if you live in the southwest of the United States, you basically live in one of the best places to have solar energy, you should probably get, I don't want to say should, you can get solar panels on your home, that can be installment payments, and it probably will be a great deal. The panels are really good now. So people who bought solar panels, like 10 years ago, they were paying, they were paying for you to have great solar panels today. You don't I mean, those are outdated, and they're terrible compared to what we have now. And the cost is going down so much. I think you mentioned this earlier, that by 20, 30, solar panels are going to be really, really cheap. And they're going to be at industrial scale at sort of major grid scale stuff, they're gonna be really good. But for consumers, the probably be even better. So that's a great thing to do. I mean, I think Solar City, which is owned by Tesla, Tesla, energy, whatever it's called, now, they integrate batteries and solar panels on your home. And that's a good that's a good combo if you if you want to live in a world where you there's electric cars and solar panels and batteries. And that's I mean, that's a big part of the future. That is advocate the of the most optimistic future advocated by the solar energy cohort of the sort of renewable technology thing. That's something to invest in. I have certain reservations about electric cars, like for example, in China, I don't think China's ever going to be able to run on electric cars, there's, it would need something like four or five times the amount of energy China currently uses, which is more than any country ever, which is 50% more than the United States. And they don't have the energy for that. You would need massive, probably massive, massive amounts of nuclear energy to do that. That's probably the only way. So yeah, I think that's something people should keep in mind running. certain places aren't going to run on electric cars and solar energy. Germany is a great example. They built alot of solar panels in Germany, but they forgot to look up at the sky. And notice that it's overcast all the time. So there's a big installed capacity of solar panels, unfortunately, also old panels, like we said, they said, Germany is subsidized the good panels you can get today. They just, it's just the actual energy generation, the power generation from these panels is very limited. And so Germany actually uses more coal than it did 10 years ago. So those are one of those contradictions that you, you don't get caught in. But again, for people here who live in the southwest, feeling Florida, he lived in the southern part of the United States. So panels ain't a bad idea. And so that's a good one that I would focus on for the energy side of things. Yeah, it's good. The time is there, time is now.Ari Gronich35:42So, you know, you mentioned China could never run unless it was like on nuclear. Unless maybe it was local. You know, local supply, I think, might be a little different. But here's I guess that where I want to go with this question. So we're looking at China, and all of the innovation, all of what they're doing, all the energy, they're consuming the pollution that they're making, the violations that they have on human rights. And we go, all right, we don't really understand their culture much. And so we judge it from our outside perspective and our outside eyes. And so you have a little more of an insider's view on you know what it is to be in China and what it is to be under that culture. So just for the audience who has preconceived notions, which ones are true, which ones not so much. Can you kind of just illuminate on what this thing that we've now known to be? China?Jason Szeftel36:57Yeah, so there's a lot of sort of myths and sort of misconceived notions about China. I'll just try and kind of run through some things that people might find illuminating, to give them a sense of that place. And, yeah, I think one interesting thing people wouldn't realize, and that is so hard for people from the west to understand is that the Chinese Communist Party is not despised as a totalitarian dictatorship. Until the last 10, 15 years, the Chinese Communist Party was actually not in most people's faces. But all that much, it wasn't like authoritarian forcing you to do this or that there was a lot of freedoms on the ground level, because people were, they wanted to encourage private innovation. So back in the 70s, very different story back in the 60s, very different story. 50 very different story. But in the last 50 years, overall, it hasn't been 40 years, it hasn't been up in people's grill all the time, although that's now changing. And so the party is actually thought to be a good force of ease that you can't do polls in China, because that would be dangerous. But in a healthy majority of Chinese people think the Communist Party is overall a good thing. And they support it hard to hard to believe that goes very much against our Western individualist ideas, That's the way it is. So So why, what what MC, isAri Gronich38:18So why? Is it indoctrination? Is it just history and culture? Is it? What is it that that says to them? And are they allowed to be individuals still, even within the system of control that they're in?Jason Szeftel38:32So there's always a propaganda element in every Chinese state, that the Chinese state has to manage its population. So China has on a broad scale has overall bad land relative to the size of the country, and it has limited capital. So it doesn't have a lot of money, it doesn't have the best land. And so there's labor land and capital and technology, but just thinking about labor, land capital, the primary resource in China is labor. It's always been the population. You if you need a great wall built in the desert, you send millions of people to do it. If they end up as mortar for the stones, well, you have millions more. And that's what you see. You need to build things. You get them sent here, you just send people all over to deal with whatever needs to get done. But the people are also a threat. At the same time. You have a large, large, poor population, there's something like the entire population of the United States, there's like a group that large in poverty in China. It's hard to fathom. And yet the Chinese government and Chinese people are more concerned with one thing probably than anything else. And that's political integrity, its political stability and order. And the thing they're contrasting the communist party with isn't some Western democratic liberal ideal of a individualist democracy, blah, blah, blah. It's just chaos. They see the two options as order, often tyrannical authoritarian and terrible versus chaos, which is much worse. And most of China's history is chaotic, it's chaos. It's not in an integrated state ruling over an integrated people integrated territory. It is warring factious clans, and warlords duking it out all across the country. Ari Gronich0:11Wow. So you're talking about the land like, you know, we have a whole song about how majestic our land is. So I want you to, I want you to explain that in a way that people who have never been there could grasp what that means for the people what that land is like and what it means for the people.Jason Szeftel0:30Sure. So China's big. China's about the size of the United States overall, like the physical territory. But China, something like 66-70% of China is mountainous. And a large part of China is just huge deserts, the whole western and northern parts of China are massive deserts. So when you get down to it, the sort of flat, temperate, arable land, you can farm-on, build cities easily, all of that is really small. It's something like maybe 15% of the entire country, and maybe the size of Colombia, like the state of Colombia and South America, that's very different than the United States. The United States probably has 30% of the country, mountainous and hilly, right, sort of like the Rockies. And you know, Denver and Salt Lake are, and then you have massive flat stretches of land, all the way in between the Rockies and the Appalachian is basically the Appalachian Mountains is basically a giant Valley, it's like a million to a million square miles. It's enormous. And there you have the Mississippi River system, really like a bunch of rivers that are all interconnected, you can float things down, that you can send goods, products, troops, messages, everything down and across these rivers. And overlaid on top of these rivers are some of the best access to some of the best agricultural land on Earth. So you really have a Nexus, not trying to sing America, the beautiful here, but just to give the comparison, the United States does have a very, very, very fortunate set of natural features that are a major reason why this country is wealthy and powerful. It's not imperialism, it really isn't. It's not colonialism, the United States was the largest consumer market, the largest agricultural manufacturer, the largest industrial manufacturer, the largest food produced the largest everything by like the 1880s, within about 100 years after it was formed. And it's been all of that since for over 120 years. And that was before it ever invaded Cuba before it ever did any of that it was after the Civil War. So it wasn't built on the back of slavery. So that's something I want people to keep in mind. It's always good to have a good sense of our country, because otherwise we get caught up in very misguided and dangerous forms of American exceptionalism will think, oh, we're so great, because XYZ maybe, but maybe we'd be just as great if we all spoke Spanish, or if we'd all been Catholic or something. And my read on things is, that's probably true. If you happen to be in this part of North America, you've managed to take it all over. And no one had ever been here, in a sort of industrializing and heavily agricultural manner, like the Native Americans weren't quite like the 1000s of years of Chinese agriculture. It's very different. But in China, you don't have something like that. The Eastern lowlands of China that are basically the core regions of China are the yellow and Yangtze river valleys. This is 90% of the Chinese population lives there. And it is not like the United States. It's not like what we were just talking about, like this great large center heartland or whatever you want to call it of the United States. It's much meaner, it's much more overpopulated. It's crowded one way, think about it. Imagine the United States was mostly mountains. And then on the East Coast, you had a big kind of large East Coast was, you know, you could fit more people there, you had 90% of US population there. But instead of, you know, 300, 200, something million people, you had 1.2 billion people all stuffed there. So you have in China, you basically have the American Midwest. And on top of that, you have the equivalent of New York, and Boston, and Washington and all of it, it's all piled all piled on top of each other. There are people fighting for land, space, air, water, everything. And there are factories and mines and schools and in cities on top of farmland. I mean, this is just the way it is, there's not enough land. And that's really, really important to keep in mind.Ari Gronich4:17Right? And so for people who have belief systems, like everybody should go back to their country or something, right. We're talking about a country, where are they planning on going? Right, when the population gets too much for that place? Are they planning on terraforming some of those mountains? Are they I mean, like, what can they do? once that population is too much for the landmass?Jason Szeftel4:52It's a real question. It is certainly straining the ecological carrying capacity of the land. So many people China's built over 600 major cities that has over 100 major cities with over a million people that all built in the last few decades. And that's an enormous amount of people's products of resources that you need. And to sustain that is even harder, you have to keep feeding it, you have to keep pouring down. So you have to keep building buildings, you have to do all of that. It's just maintaining it is very difficult. But one thing people should remember is that waves of Chinese people have been leaving China for over 800 years. Okay, this has nothing to do again with colonialism. China was not never colonized. Or it was beaten up by Japan in the 20th century, but was not colonized by other European powers before that. And the reason you have waves of Chinese people in Southeast Asia, and why you have Chinese people in the United States, originally in California in the 19th century, is because China is chaotic and unstable. And you actually saw basically wars between the northern equivalent of northern and southern China, and the southern Chinese fled to Southeast Asia. And then they fled to California as well. These are typically people from southern China from the Guangdong Hong Kong sort of region. And it's that instability in China that has led to waves of Chinese people elsewhere in the world. So that's a very important thing to keep in mind. Because Yeah, people are you tell them to go back to their country, but they've left because of instability to call it often to call China a country is not correct. Like that's a new modern nationalist thing started in the 20th century, China was more of a culture and a civilization, ethnic heritage, cultural heritage than it was a single unified country. That's, that's important. But you also asked just the question of, well, what do you do with when there's too many people. So China has been in a war between its geography, nature, this terrible land it's been given, and any and all technologies that can use to help it. So China has enormous plans for everything, right? They're trying to move water from southern China, up to northern China, because northern China is sinking, drying out and getting covered in dust storms. And it's prone to drought and floods. And it's a problem in a lot of ways. So they're trying to do that, they're trying to build a green wall, basically, a Great Green Wall, to block out the expanding Gobi desert is trying to eat up a lot of northern China. So they're trying to do all these things. But there are fundamental limits, it costs a lot of money just to remediate all the pollution, all the, you know, the air and the water pollution. And like we mentioned, just paving over important farmland, all this kind of stuff, just to remediate that is trillions of dollars. So in a lot of ways, China is stuck with a kind of bluets load, it stuck with the development, it managed to get in the 80s,90s,2000,2010s. And it's going to have to make choices make tough choices about what to do afterwards. That's really the best way to think about it. But in China, typically, things devolve into pretty brutal scenarios you run out of, you have to choose between water and electricity to choose between getting fertilizer, and, you know, building military weapons or whatever. And that is, those sort of brutal questions might be coming back pretty soon. So that's what to keep in mind. It's very hard, like we said, like I was saying earlier, to, most places don't have the ability to marry nature and technology in the way that perhaps the US can if it can build a sustainable system. But like I mentioned with energy, even Chinese agriculture is its own disaster, Chinese transportation, a lot of it is just being built to keep people employed, right? Do you need autonomous electric cars, and rail systems to go to every single country, every single city? Wouldn't you just need one or the other? Maybe one of these never gonna do you need also planes and airports and every single one, like you a lot of the basic economics of these things aren't rational. This is a political project, all of this stuff in China, like we said, they worry about political integrity, and chaos. And that's what they're trying to prevent. And we'll see how it goes. But it's a tough, tough problem. Ari Gronich9:10Seems like a bit of a pressure cooker. Actually. You know, it seems like something's gonna blow.Jason Szeftel9:15I believe so. I believe so. I think that all you need is one the hammer to fall in one area, and it can start a chain reaction, that's what's always happened in Chinese history. So the people don't remember if China is a massive superpower. And it's always been it's, a once in future superpower. And this is just as rebirth into the modern world, which is kind of some of the narrative we've all heard. Really, if that is the case. Why? Why do all of its states always collapse? Every single one has collapsed. Every single Chinese state has collapsed and ended in a massive kerfuffle and bloody struggle. And we need to look at why that's happened. And see if there's anything different today. It's really the question is, What is different today. They could keep China together not? Well, China will continue forever, without any problem, because that's not what's happened. Ari Gronich10:06So let's take it to a cultural step there in that case. So culturally speaking, what keeps China going? Is the culture that they've developed over the last, however many 1000s of years of doing this behavior of implode, rebuild, implode, rebuild, implode, rebuild, right? So different mentality, different psychology. You know, let's talk about how the psychology of that is manifesting in the scenario versus, say, the psychology of, we're in this together, we can do this. And we just got to figure out and plan the steps and then execute them. Right. So taking it out of that emotional, back and forth, upheaval. Do you think that China's capable at this point of shifting the psychology from ancient to modern?Jason Szeftel11:12No, no, I think that the psychology is the desperate struggle for political integrity and unity. And it's very hard to move away from that. And so the way it works in China, like we were saying earlier, If US has a lot of different pieces, right? There's Texas, there's California, like there's the Northeast, the Northwest, there's Alaska, there's Hawaii, there's many different parts in different cultures all around the country. And that's something we all we always think about Florida is not California, Alabama, is not Minnesota. And this is the same thing in China. So when I'm talking about political integrity, and all of that, what I'm really talking about is northern China, Beijing is in northern China, Beijing actually means northern capital, in Chinese. And northern China is where you have political, military, and political military power. And what has always happened in China is that China is the creation of the Northern warlords, basically, and they conquered the rest of China. And they actually did that. Just as recently as well. That's there's only one time in Chinese history when there hasn't been like a northern power that took over everything else. And that's the culture that matters. That's the culture that is running the show. So southern China, in the southern ports have a very different perspective, Shanghai has a very different perspective, western China, Tibet, shinjang, very different perspective. But the overriding one, the only one that can come to the top, and really set the tone is the one in northern China, because that's the one that can keep things together, or can try to, if you let Hong Kong run China, there's not going to be China very long, there's not going to be any of that. So to have a unified China, you really need this northern power to keep things together and obsessively try and make it work. And usually it fails at some point. But that's the culture that rises to the top. So there's never No, no Chinese leader since Mao has ever been from southern China. They go down on tours to southern China. That's a big moment in Chinese history in the late 70s, early 80s. When and then early 90s, when Deng XIAO PING went to southern China, that was a big moment was it was a symbolic event, because southern and northern China aren't the same even ethnically or visually, a lot of Chinese people know and can tell someone who is from Southern versus northern China, it's, again, these have been not not even just separate countries. I mean, they've been different places that are populated for 1000s of years. Right there. There's a region in China called Sichuan, which has the good food that has its own, you know, old culture that had a culture that went back three over 3000 years, had its own language. And even today, the Sichuanese is like the language they speak there, more people speak that as a first language than German or French. And the, you know, the province of Guangdong in southern China, where Hong Kong is that there's more people there than any country in Europe, except for Russia. So there's just it's a scale question. So this question of like, can you integrate it into a new harmonious sort of cultural and if the Chinese perspective is no, there's way too much diversity, the histories are way too old. And what they did was they they simplified the language they impose written Chinese on everyone, because these languages in China they say they call them dialects. So this is a dialect this a doubt. It's not most languages in China are mutually unintelligible only propaganda calls them a dialect, right? But you have to do that because you want this sense of unity. It is essential. So that's what I would say this up and down this endless up and down, build, collapse, rebuild all that it has a permanent mark. And to move beyond it. That's been the goal since 1949, and Wilson's modern try since 1911, really, and they just have not found a way to do it, and technology and pushing into the future. Pushing as fast as you can. It's kind of like Republicans or Democrats trying to focus on enemies abroad or broader ideals that pushes people forward and can also avoid some of the immediate problems like, well, maybe everyone, the republican party doesn't agree right now on things. Maybe everyone that, you know, the democratic party doesn't quite see eye to eye and in factor, you know, clashing in moments? Well, let's look into the future. Let's just ride this technology wave as far as possible. That's what China's been trying to do.Ari Gronich15:30That sounds like a good thing to do, though. So that's what I like is let's ride technology as far as it can go, until it becomes seamless with the rest of nature and the rest of the world. But, so for Americans who want to do business with China, who are in the business, like, I used to do a lot of manufacturing of gym equipment, we know he had factories in China. So for people who want to do business with China, don't know how safe it is, don't know the processes and all that stuff. Just kind of give a little bit of a what would somebody want to think about? Jason Szeftel16:13Yeah, so the whole relationship with China is changing right now. It's transforming, there's more conflict, more animus than in hostility that we've seen since relations were normalized, in the 1970s. So we are really looking at a major sea change and what's been happening. So you know, how to think about it. Not to plug but I do if people have specific questions, sort of, you know, if you're in the entertainment industry, you want to see if your content can work, if you manufacture things, you want to see if your products will get stolen and copied right away. Those are sort of things I help address sort of directly, because it can be very specific. But in general, you probably, it depends industry by industry. But in general, I think what you said earlier, is the long term, right move. I think, if you can, you want production maybe in North America. I know that it's very difficult that the challenge of moving out of China is extreme. But the costs are also rising. I think that, you know, maybe you're not going to be able to do massive production runs all across the world, right, you don't need the same scale that you had, if you're just really selling in the United States. If the global supply chain system, global production world we live in changes, maybe you don't need that you can get ahead of the curve. But in general, it's very dicey these days, I mean, energy costs are going up across the Chinese coast. So our labor costs, so prices are higher. So a lot of them, they're eating a lot of those costs. So right now they're keeping people employed, their subsidies, etc. But they're rising, and a lot of people are moving to Southeast Asia. Is Vietnam. If you're, you know, textiles, you can move back to the United States, you can move to Southeast Asia, but does depends on each industry. But we're also seeing more and more party infiltration of operations in China. So just to think about it, just to give you a broad context, the Chinese Communist Party is a 95 million person organization that runs the country, right? So you have all these government agencies, and they're staffed by party officials, it's as if there was one, you know, Democratic Party, there's only one party allowed in this country. And they sort of had a shadow organization in everything, right. In the 1970s. Like I was saying earlier, this was everywhere, you used to get your food from the party leader, the party bureaucrat, the press secretary in your town, you get your housing from him, your business would be, you know, secured by him, etc. That changed when you had, you know, the privatization and entrepreneurial sort of time came, but later, now, we're kind of getting back to some of that. So there are party officials, party cells, party councils, and coming back to everything, multi-tenant buildings will have party officials, major corporations, all our party officials. So a lot of people that have joint ventures with companies in China are realizing that the state companies that they're partnered with, have a lot of party activity going on. And so the party is trying to both claim the glory for rejuvenating China and wants to be back in everyone's face and doesn't want to be behind the scenes as much anymore. Once people see the red armbands, you know what I mean? Here we are, you know, we rebuilt China, it's the national rejuvenation of the Chinese nation. But it's also just getting up into everyone's grill again. And so major tech companies are having, you know, there's party control of their data at this point as well. So I'd be very wary, I think, again, it really depends on the industry, if you're just manufacturing small things, probably not a big deal. Keep doing it wherever cost is lowest, right? I mean, you're trying to have a business. So that's a smart thing to do. If you're sending a lot of data back and forth to China, that's probably gonna be dicer and dicer. But, but yeah, it's again, I think there's so much transformation and change right now, that giving the broader sort of general stuff can be tougher, but the general stuff I'd say is that relations are getting worse with China every year and things are probably gonna keep getting worse. Because the humanitarian crisis in western China, the political conflict with Taiwan, the sort of eradication of a lot of the freedoms and everything that's gone on there for decades, centuries, the conflicts with potential conflict with Taiwan, you know, the militarization of the South China Sea, all this isn't going away. In fact, it's all kind of hitting into a massive nexus of problems. That is allowing the US government to target China more than ever before. We are also seeing more cyber attacks and cyber targeting by Chinese companies than we have ever seen. So how do I be wary of all this? Personally, I'm not going back to China. I don't think I'm welcome anymore. I wouldn't want to have an exit ban. So I come in and never allowed back. But people should be wary of this. I mean, this is not. Yeah. Ari Gronich20:44So, what's the devastation potential? As we pull back and start manufacturing in the US again? And in doing those local things? Is there a net devastation or a net benefit to like calming the water, so to speak, by taking back some of those jobs? And some of that? I mean, what the prognosis.Jason Szeftel21:07China? Do? You mean, calming the waters? Are there tensions with them?Ari Gronich21:11No, I mean, calming the waters as far as like, they're busy, right? They're busy, busy, busy, busy, they don't stop, they're busy. They're doing all our stuff, all their stuff, you know, all of the rest of the world stuff, as you said, like 50%, of manufacturing and of energy consumption and all these things. They're busy. If we pull back, and we start manufacturing in the US, as the largest probably user of the Chinese, you know, people. What's the prognosis? What's going to happen?Jason Szeftel21:49Well, it's a, it's a dicey thing, the Chinese system is built for exports, it got all the money, most if not all, got a lot of the money, it needed to develop the country through exports, since the 70s, late 70s, and 80s, it just money came in through the ports, they loaned against it, and they built everything in their country. That's the general super simplified story. So that's also where that's one of their most productive and credible industries. And it brings in hard currency and does a lot of things to stabilize the Chinese financial monetary system. But you know, if that goes away, there are deep deep challenges that the state has to face. And a big one is just that, China needs the enormous volumes of global manufacturing, it needs to build not just for China, widgets, just for China, but widgets for everyone. That's how it gets the volume. That's how it gets the profits. That's how it gets the scale. And that's how it keeps the employment levels up. China needs people employed and needs money coming in. And the US pulling back is a major, major threat, because the US is the largest consumer economy in the world. So you can add up the rest of Europe, and you're not going to get the same sort of effect for China. And they need to read. So this has been the whole thing, the last 10 years, people were like, well, China's gonna have to change catches export forever. Japan doesn't just do that Japan's clue that's just exporting all around the world, like it was in the 70s. Things have changed, but China's going to really struggle, I don't think it's, I don't think it's impossible for it to be a consumer economy. Ideally, China would want to start manufacturing for itself, sort of rejigger the economy, have more internal products and services and be able to sort of self-sustain what it's built. But that's for a lot of reasons. That's probably not possible. So this is this question. I mean, this is what makes the Chinese state governments so tense, so nervous and anxious, and defensive. You see that with every all of their diplomats are, you know, getting, you know, in everyone's face and having all this negative commentary, and they're, they're trying to project the image of power to their own people primarily. And, you know, to try and not be seen as weak to not have any, any event that could suggest that the Communist Party is, you know, weak or incompetent, or out of its depth, or illegitimate because they run on getting things done. Like you said, busy, busy, busy, keep doing things that people agree with it. You don't you can't vote on on their policies, but you can, you can see that they're responsive and making things better. And that's what they run on. It's like performance. It's like

Optimal Health Strategist Gunther Mueller has developed what he calls the 'Magnetic Mind Method." This means he helps people tap into our subconscious to create and manifest the life we've always wanted.=============================================Ari Gronich0:14Welcome back to another episode of creating a new tomorrow. I am your host Ari Gronich today with me is Gunther Mueller. And Gunther is a certified magnetic mind coach now, you know, I'm gonna let him explain that but 30 years of successfully being an entrepreneur, optimal health strategist, you have, you know, you have three kids alongside all the work that you've done, but you've actually taken and builds a business in three years to $20 million in the anti-aging, I believe, field, founded another company, you've bought and sold several companies. So today, we're going to talk a lot about not just the health and wellness, not just the mindset, but also kind of the deep and down and dirty parts of business a little bit. And I'm going to kind of take you on a journey today audience that hopefully will lead you into a place where you could go, Oh, yeah, I got this. And I can move ahead tomorrow, creating my new tomorrow, today. So anyway, Gunther, tell us a little bit about yourself.Gunther Mueller1:24Hey, Ari, thank you so much for having me on, create a new tomorrow. It's amazing to be here because the title of your show is completely in alignment with the information I'm passionate about sharing today. And hopefully the audience gets a lot out of this today. So a little bit about me and I grew up middle class in New York City, bolted out of there in 1984 to go skiing in Colorado and go to school out there because scheme was my thing and need to go ski the bigger mountains but you know, did the thing that you were supposed to do get good grades, go to college, you know, do that whole rigamarole thing. And then I became a professional ski bum for four years after college. So I lived in Vail, lived in a steamboat for a while and commercial fish in Alaska, worked on the Valdez oil spill. If anybody remembers what that was, I was in Prince William Sound for about 60 days, moving people around and equipment and things like that. And then I started my sales career basically in the 90s, selling meat and seafood door to door because I had experience in the seafood industry. You know, I knew what good stuff was. I built about 3000 customers in the Colorado mountainous region. This is the days before Sam's Club and before you know, Costco and all that.Ari Gronich2:41So I just want to say this. So when I was 17 and a half 18. And I'm just finishing up school, high school and rural Oregon. Right? Yeah, I was selling meat and seafood door to door in Oregon on the back of a truck with a freezer on the back of a truck just like a regular big old freezer, laying in the bed of a truck. And so. Gunther Mueller3:14Hey I did it for 10 years. And I loved it because I got to wear shorts and a golf shirt every day. And I had great customers all over the place and loved it. And then I turned it into an online company in 1998 and then sold that company to one of my suppliers. And then I got into the restaurant business for 14 years. I had about four restaurants that I managed and so food was kinda in my blood food distribution. I work for a we'll start up coffee roaster and then I created America's freshest coffee for the Schwann food company for a while. I went to go to the corporate gig as a regional vice president for them managed a million square mile territory did really well. But the corporate world was not of my liking or choosing. So I you know, get this entrepreneurial blood in my in my veins. And I think I got that from my mom, she know how to sell. She's a travel agent for 50 years, and just knew how to get people to go great places, right. And so then after that I've been in the solar industry did really well used to sell $4 million a month worth of solar panels. And then from solar. I got into the medical industry, which I've been in for over 10 years now. And that's where I created that company and about three years doing about 20 million a year and it was really changing the paradigm of medicine with your average ob-gyn and family practice doctor to optimize hormones and optimize nutrition instead of being so pharmaceutically based. I mean it was really a quantum shift in medicine for a lot of people I was really specialized in something called pellet therapy, which was getting hormones actually inserted into the body and it's you know, it's everywhere now, but when I did it 10 years ago, nobody knew what a pellet was. It was, so I was kind of one of the spear hitters of that therapy in the United States.Ari Gronich5:06Very cool. So nowadays, you know, you're not doing that exactly. You're, you're doing this thing called the magnetic mind. Right, coach. Now, I want to get into this a little bit. So how did you get started working with mind? How did mindset play a role in your sales? So I'm kind of doing a multi question here. So how did mindset play a role in your sales? How did you get into mindset? I know for a friend of mine, oh, he was with Xerox for a while, and they had Zig Ziglar, and all these sales training. So just kind of that background. And then what made that turn into what you're doing now? And how do you see this as kind of that next evolution? Gunther Mueller5:54Yeah, great question Ari, I love answering it. So what happened was in those days of selling meat and seafood, like I was always a true seeker, even from being a little kid, you know, I used to go walk by a church and think, oh, God lives there. You know what I mean? And but how does that all work out? What's the reality of the universe? Basically, I want to know how things work, right? And nobody really was able to answer it for me. And so in my days of selling meat and seafood door to door, my vehicle was my university, I listened to not the radio or pop music or anything, I listened to the greats like Zig Ziglar. You know, one of my favorite quotes from Zig Ziglar is you can have anything in life if you help enough other people get what they want. You know, and he was a great guy. And, you know, the Brian Tracy's of the world, the Tony Robbins of the world. Look, I what I'm here to share today, I did not create, right, I stand on the shoulders of giants, okay, who have investigated every aspect of personal development, human consciousness, you know, the whole quantum physical research over the last 40 years, there's so much science behind understanding the power that we have in our mind. But it all started with reading, thinking Grow Rich, it was one of the first books and it's the quintessential text, you know, in, let's call it getting what you want in life, or, you know, creating a new tomorrow, like, how do you do it, you know, you're living your life, and you want something different, you want something better. And we're gonna talk about that a little bit later. But you want something different, you want something better, there's a difference between the two ideas on so I started doing that one book after another one cassette tape after another really dating myself there, right? cassette tapes was the thing. And then the DVDs, and I used to drive 100, 200 miles a day. So all that education, all that content, all of that listening to a different way to think about things. And that kind of got embedded in my cellular structure from all those years of doing that. And today, I think the magnetic mind method is really a revolution in the personal development space. Because I'm at the place today to tell everyone that look, you're not broken. There's nothing for you to fix. And a lot of the history of the personal development movement has always been going back, to fix yourself to do something to get something right, something's broken inside of your personality, or something's broken in your being, and you have to fix it first in order to get what you want. I'm here today to tell everyone that we look we need to back out of the problem-solving reality and move into the creator stance. And the creator stances that power position. It's like, we need to remember who we truly are that we are connected to an infinite field of possibilities. And when we become consciously creative, we can create whatever situation reality manifest anything that we want. And this is backed up by science.Ari Gronich8:54So I'm gonna ask you, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go back a step. I'm gonna ask you a question you may not have heard before. So I started doing asked when I was eight, life spring, landmark forum, I mean, Cyworld, MIT. I've done so many of these self-improvement movement, workshops and programs and weekends and events and things. What I watch, what I observe, is about 90 so odd percent of the people go there are motivated for about two weeks to a month, and then it dies down. 5% start following the practices that they hear and maybe last a year or two or three until some trauma, gets them out of it. And then there's about 4%, right, that really buy in and get the information and then about 1% or so. This is being this is just my statistics and my, my, what I've watched that actually like live, the information that they've been taught. So here's my question to you. You have done all of these things. And you've taken it. And you've actually become I don't know which percentage but one of the 10, let's say, part of that 10% of the people, right? What makes you have that ability versus say, somebody else? What do you think is the difference between what you were able to do with the information and technology and experiences that you received? That you think the 90% of people who don't ever shift haven't gotten? What do you think that break is that delineation?Gunther Mueller10:55The break is truly listening to your own voice inside your head, okay, because especially today in the era of social media, we are so enamored or concerned with what other people think. I mean, it's getting to the point of ridiculousness, where our self-esteem if we don't look out for it is really coming from what other people do, do they like us, do they share us, do they do this kind of thing, right? And so back that when you asked me that question, the first thing that pops up in my mind is, I have had the ability to listen to my own voice. Now, I'm not saying that everything that I've done has been successful. Look, the path to success is laced with failure. And it's in failure, that you learn the most important lessons, if you had nothing but success in life, you would not be very seasoned, you would not be very skilled, you would not be very proficient in anything. It's through failure, it's through challenge. And this is really the human experience. A lot of people will say, look, I'd like to have a life with just no problems. I'm telling you, you'd be bored out of your mind, if you had no problems, okay? If there were no challenges, no problems, nothing to deal with in life, you would be bored out of your skull. That's just not why we're here as human beings, we're going to have this human experience. Now the beautiful place to be is to be consciously creative to kind of be an observer of what's going on, you know, an airplane at 30. 40,000 feet can see the landscape, right. And when you have that observer mentality, but this takes some practice, this takes some training, right? They don't teach it in school, they don't teach it in college, most of your parents don't teach it to their kids. Unless you become a hungry seeker to a degree and find this out for yourself and your percentages, I agree with so many people get information, they get knowledge. But look, the power is in the knowledge applied. You can go course after course, book after book, seminar, after seminar, do all these retreats, do all kinds of thing, like you said, you feel good for about a month. And then you just forget because you have not applied. And so then the second piece, listening to your own inner voice, because look, you know what if your desires are, let's call it God's plan for your life. What if those desires, What if those things that voice that's trying to speak to you is the directional signal in your life, and you keep ignoring it, you don't listen to it, you never take any time, you've got noise blaring at you all the time, and you never listen to the little voice that's inside and then trusted enough to follow it and not worry so much about what others may think of you. Correct? That's one of the key points right there.Ari Gronich13:51I'm pondering that because there's definitely a level of truth to I think that people go home after getting motivated. And then, you know, somebody says, Well, that wasn't probably what you know, like, or that's not going to work or that's not you know, that you get excited about what you're doing. So I can understand that. I think it goes a little deeper into the depths of the psyche, though. So that concept that you've stated of worrying about what other people think of you, right? goes deeper. So let's drop down into a deeper level of that.Gunther Mueller14:33Love it. So to go deeper is that we all have some self-sabotaging identities that we have acquired through this, let's call it the life stream of this life. And it really is impactful from like zero to seven years old, you know, the data and the science tells us that that's when we just really have an open mind. And we are trying to figure out how it is here. We're trying to figure out You know how to get love. We're trying to figure out how to get nourishment. We're trying to figure out how to get a safe place to sleep. We're trying to figure out how to get what we want, when we're in that stage of development. And so we make certain decisions about life about how it is here. That's all it is. It's just we're trying to figure out what's it like here? And how do I survive. And so if you have abuse, or if you have trauma, or you have some episodes in your life that are unpleasing, the human reality is that we avoid pain. And we move to pleasure. But we avoid pain, a hell of a lot more than we move to pleasure. So what the reality is, is mediocrity becomes okay. Because it's not painful, right? It's just tight, I'm not in excruciating pain. I'm not in a, you know, ecstasy or pleasure. So I am okay with mediocrity. And the part of our mind, we have the conscious mind, the subconscious mind, and what I'm going to introduce to you is the superconscious mind, and there's different names for that, but we like to call it the superconscious. In the subconscious programming, we have put things in there to prevent pain or to keep us safe. And the job of the egoic mind that conscious mind is to maintain the status quo. The conscious mind does not like change, because it knows how to navigate what is successfully. Right. And so some of the sabotaging identities that we pick up through a lifetime of experience, is things like I'm not good enough. I'm not worthy. I'm not capable, meaning I don't know enough, I'm not. This is an example of someone that never gets out of school. And they continually go for the next degree and the next degree in the next degree, right? I'm not, I'm just not capable of any one more thing. And then I'll be okay. I'm insignificant, I'm small, I'm not big enough, right, I'm insignificant, I'm not perfect. Many of us have this perfectionist stream in our mind can't do that, till I perfect this, this has to be just absolutely perfect before I get what I want. And then another big one is I don't belong; this is what we just talked about is this belonging. And it's okay to belong, it's okay to have a great tribe and a cool group of people, but you still have to be you. And so in light of the probably the top six self-sabotaging identities, and everybody has one or two of them, or all six of them in different degrees that we've incorporated into our subconscious program. And I want, I want you to be thinking about the subconscious like Windows 10 on your computer, okay, when you turn on your computer, Windows 10, boots up, the thing just runs, you don't know how it's running, you don't know the code, you don't know anything like every once in a while an update gets sent to Windows NT update, and you restart. And now the program is different than it was before. So we have to do the same thing to our subconscious program, because it's running completely unconsciously. And we put things in there to keep us safe. So when we when I say we need to step out of the problem solving reality, and take the creator stance, most of the audience is saying probably what does he mean by that? Right? What do you mean by a creative stance? Let me give you four examples of what I'm going to call true choices. And…Ari Gronich18:16First let's go through what problem solving is. Right? And then we'll go into that because we've gone through an automatic response system, which is your conscience, right.Gunther Mueller18:31So problem solving is what we've always been trained to do. We want what we want. So how do we get what we want? So the problem is to figure out a way to get what we want, and we do it consciously.Ari Gronich18:45So you're saying that the problem is wanting something that we don't have?Gunther Mueller18:51Yeah, but that's not the problem. Your desire, your desire is totally fine. You can desire and want whatever you want. That's not the wrong part. The part is that we've been trained to figure out in our conscious mind, how to solve the problem of not having it. Right. One having it is not the problem. It's the way we go about getting it anything comes the problem. So to think about goal setting, right? We've been taught to set SMART goals, and you got to have a date on it. You got to be clear about what you want. And then there's 5, 6, 10 steps or whatever to get what you want. And those things have to happen by a certain date. So when you do a SMART goal, you have in your own conscious mind figured out how it needs to happen. You have allowed no space for the field of infinite possibilities to provide the solution to you in some let's call it magical way. Okay, so you've spent your conscious energy your mind solving the problem. Let's take the idea of abundance, financial abundance. Right. Let's create a new tomorrow. And my two choices, I want to have the experience of having more than enough. I just want this experience of financial abundance and abundance in all aspects of my life. That's my true choice. I just always want to be in the experience of having more than enough. Well, how do I do that? Being in the entrepreneurial world, I deal with a lot of entrepreneurs that have decided or chosen that they need a big successful business in order to have that. And I always have to put the brakes on a little bit and say, Look, the business may not be the true choice. What your true choice is, is you want to have the experience of abundance. Having a successful business made give you the experience of massive struggle, okay, if you don't start a business, having the end in mind, you will get to a completed business that potentially you might hate it, you might not want, it may dominate your life. I mean, how many business owners are there where the business owns them? They don't own the business. Right? So be careful what you ask for Be careful what you wish for. Because if you do it in that problem-solving thing, you're looking at it from a field of limited possibilities. And when I say step out of the problem-solving thing, it's focusing on what you want, not on how it's going to show up, not on how it's going to manifest not on the how to how truly is up to the infinite field and the superconscious. Because look, abundance could happen by finding $100 million in a suitcase on the street. You could find it floating in the ocean, you want. And when we talk about infinite possibilities, I mean, infinite possibilities, whatever your imagination could imagine, and how abundance could show up for you. It's possible. But our conscious mind rationally goes in and say, Well, if you have these sabotaging identities, they're well, I'm not worthy of that that's never gonna happen to me, or I'm not good enough. That can never happen to me or I don't have enough knowledge. I don't have this. I'm insignificant, too small. I would never find that suitcase. Like, I'm just not lucky. You know what I mean? Like I do, I've walked right by the suitcase, and I'd miss it. And I would never find it right. So the programming and the tape that's running in that subconscious mind really rules the day. And so did I answer your question about what I mean by problem solving?Ari Gronich22:30Yes. And I just want to kind of get into what I heard was Basic Law of Attraction, right? So going to the experience that you want to experience, you know, whether it's visioning and feeling all the feelings of the perfect day or all, you know, those kinds of things. So that's cool. Because obviously, I want to experience the abundance of life fully, never needing or wanting anything, just everything is available at all times. Right. Now, the key thing that I believe was missing from the law of attraction was the step of action. Now, within what you just said, the confines of what you said is, we're not doing the SMART goal where we're creating the necessary actions from a problem solving point of view, we're going into the infinite. How does one get to the action side from that place?Gunther Mueller23:31So that's the fifth step in the five-step magnetic mind method. So it's the last thing we do? And we asked the question, okay, what is the next obvious action? And that you're right, that's where the secret, you know, great shows and opening the mind to a lot of possibilities and the power of the mind. And why I always like to say is the law of attraction, the secret is trying to solve the problem from the conscious mind. So this is where affirmation is. And I'm not saying they're wrong. And I'm not saying they don't work. They just take time. And they take that discipline, as you said in the beginning, right? People feel great for a month and they do it, and then it Peters off. Why is that? Because they don't see instantaneous results. Which is another concept I just want to throw in here as a seasoning real quick is the idea of as soon as possible. You see when you use a SMART goal, and you put a date on it, and the date goes by and it didn't happen. What most people do. Give up, or quit. Oh, well, didn't happen. I guess goal setting must not be for me. Goal setting doesn't work for me. Right? I tried, it doesn't work. So take any of the great personalities that we look to an Elan musk or you know, Prince or Madonna or you know, any of these celebrity type people that we look at. You think they have ever had to pick themselves up and try again, and try again, and keep going. Keep going for what they loved. Kept going like you look at Richard Branson, right? Just the other day he got into space. I mean, how long is that dream been manifesting, for him, of putting together all the engineers and you know, the concept laced with failure. And he's does other things and he's failed just as much as he succeeded in his life, maybe even failed a little bit more than he's succeeded, right. Way more. And he is not a perfect personality, right? If you got to know any of these people, they are not perfect beings in every aspect of their life, there is not, but they went after what they love to do, they went after that desire and focused on nothing else, you know, taken Oprah Winfrey or something like that, you know, built her media empire, she focused on what she loved, and she had perfect human, the perfect individual of No. And that's where this whole idea of perfection and all that comes in these things, we just have to let go. Right. That you have to let these things go. And there's a process to doing that. But when we try to solve the problem from the conscious mind, we're bumping into that subconscious programming. And what I'm going to share with you is how we go from the superconscious side, we just send an update to the subconscious, we do that with something called recode. Where we go in, we send an update, and we don't need to know what the problem was, we don't need to know what created the problem. We don't need to know if it was mommy or daddy or a teacher or some other situation going on. Right?Ari Gronich26:27So this sounds very different than, say, a bug fix for a software update, where when you go through the update, now all of a sudden, all the programs start acting wonky, you know, and then you get the blue screen of death. So we don't want to have the blue screen of death with our with our upgrades, right? We want to have the bugs, you know, eliminated. So how do we do the difference between those two, right? How do we get the upgrade to be smooth?Gunther Mueller26:59We do that because you're super conscious self, this highest version of yourself that is connected to the field, the infinite field and a great book to read on the field as Lynne McTaggart book just called the field. So much research has been done. We as human individuations are all part of this field, whether you're conscious of it or not. Okay, you're connected. And we are all connected. And if you look into the science, you look at all the experiments that have happened, we've proven this the field exists. So we're just going to take that as a given for the moment. If you don't believe me, you don't trust me, do your own research, dig in, right? got the field. And so we're connected into the field. So when you go to the superconscious level superconscious already knows what's happened in the past superconscious already knows all the connections knows all the dynamics. And when we do read code, we're basically asking for what we want. We say superconscious do you see the desire? Do you see the true choice? Do you see these two choices of experiencing infinite abundance? And when you connect into the field superconscious will respond usually in Yes, no answers. That's why you always ask questions in the yes and no type field, right? And, yeah, I see it. And then we go through a process of creating a structural tension, where the tension because the mind likes to resolve tension. And it likes to do it in a way that it's the path of least resistance. And so resistance is really the thing that keeps us from having what we want. And it is the identity structure that is congruent with the current reality. So Principle number one really is we have to take responsibility for the way it is now. And that's probably a big stepping stone that many people may have to get over. And that you I want to say this, you know, I say I'm gonna teach you how to become superconscious The truth is you already are. And you've already created everything that you're experiencing right now. So you are already a superconscious great, and now you just created some stuff that you might not like.Ari Gronich29:06I want to go back a little bit so you had said something regarding I just had it in my head a second ago. It was I love that I can edit these videos. It's so nice. Alright, keep going and I'll get back to it.Gunther Mueller29:32So we were on this track. Now I lost the track while we were talking aboutAri Gronich29:38Superconscious. Talking about superconscious going from above. Oh, I know what it was. So resistance. So I have a little bit different take on the resistance. Sustained resistance is what stops you. spurts of resistance are what drive you forward. And I'll tell you what I mean by that is the resistance in a lobster shell is what makes them want to go get another show. Right? It's that uncomfortable place that launches them into that next place. And so that's where I just want to, I want to delineate, at least for me, if thing is sustained resistance, if you let the resistance go, if you never change the shell, and you just keep building the resistance, yes, that is going to stop change. For me, the resistance is the signal that says change is needed now. And let's do that.Gunther Mueller30:32So I would equate that piece that you're saying that that is the true choice. That is the desire when you get to that place. And you've been, let's say, living this Groundhog Day reality, because there's only three places we can be, we can be stuck. We can be what we call oscillating, oscillating feels like three steps forward, two steps back one step forward, one step back, right, we're oscillating all we can be in a flow state flows, where we turn thoughts into things, and anybody that's done any high level athletics or anything like that are seeing the interviews with top athletes, they get into the zone. And they can make that three-point shot because they've done it a million times before and they're just in that zone, it just Swish, right? That's the zone feeling. And we can do that in our lives where we just turn thoughts desires into things. And I want to touch on this real quick. Well, how does that happen? As manifestation happened? The idea is, is that you're actually collapsing a part of the field into the present moment experience. So of the field of infinite possibilities, we're focusing on one possibility, with consistency. And the field actually collapses into the present moment. This is manifestation, this is how it happens. And it's photons is the smallest particles in the quantum physical reality. And the experiments that have proven This is that the particles don't even exist until the scientist intends to observe them. Meaning that the particle shows up for the experiment, when the observer intends to measure it, accelerate it, do whatever they're going to do with it to test it out. That's when the particle actually shows up. So the same thing happens in our manifestation. And when we have a true choice, we have a true desire. And we're focusing on that not trying to solve the problem, but we're focused on what we want. And we recode the resistance out of the way from the superconscious level, that true choice shows up as soon as possible. I'm not saying it's going to show up tomorrow.Ari Gronich32:40Got it. So that's where the as soon as possible comes in from the SMART goals. So we've kind of wrapped around. So let's get into that that as well. When we say something like, as soon as possible, kind of like one of the things that I say is how can it get any better than this? It's an open-ended question, right? That has no specifics to it, that allows the conscious mind to solve its own problem. Right. So here's the here's the question to you is, isn't that problem solving? Or is that something else? Gunther Mueller33:18Well, I was just going to stop and say it's not the conscious mind doing the problem solving when we're doing what we're doing is we're just asking superconscious to recognize the resistance, it's back to the resistant your piece of resistance, I would equate to being the true choice and the desire, that sustained resistance is the sabotaging identity. Okay, that's what creates the oscillating. And it just feels like you know, many times I've had what I wanted, I've been there. It's like, when I've created companies, I get there to the end, I have it life's good. Got the cash flow, get everything. There's still something missing. I wasn't really clear enough about what I want here. So my self-sabotaging reality was I could create anything I could build stuff. My thing was, I wasn't good enough to keep it. Yeah, I was great. I was creator, I could do this. I could build anything. But then when it was completely built and humming and running, you got taken away from me, or something happened and it cratered. But that's the underlying identity. Because the identity has to be congruent with the reality. If your identity never changes from like, I'm not good enough to I am good enough. I am capable, I am worthy. If that never changes, you can create a bunch of things and they won't sustain this happens in relationships. This happens, you know, in intimate love relationships, like you get there. It's the best thing in the world and the whole thing, just craters and goes away and you got to start over. What is that? Right That's what we're talking about here. So that resistance is in the center. unconscious program, it is a self-sabotaging identity. And so we can create it through affirmation and conscious work and all that. But it takes a long time to do that. And it takes diligent effort on our part to do it consistently. And so why I think the magAri Gronich35:18We're a fast food nation. So you know, that's been, you know, when I look at cognitive behavioral therapy, and the old paradigm of trauma work, I look at this long process, lifelong process of question and discovery, as to why your mind feels a certain way about a certain thing. I mean, I was seven when I was sent to my first psychologist, right. And I look at that as such a primitive way of doing therapy. Whereas, like, back in the, in the day, you know, tribal societies used plant medicines, and used tribal and cultural togetherness, deal with people's stuff. So let's accelerate what you're talking about. So we're going to accelerate from this old paradigm of subconscious moving things. So we're going to go to the superconscious and accelerate things. What does that look like?Gunther Mueller36:25Yeah, so I'm going to share that. But I don't want to say like everything that's been is not bad. Okay. We do the best we know how to do with what we know. And seven-year-old ongoing see the psychotherapist and he says the best that maybe your parents or whoever you had to do at the time, those were the tools, right? So think of everything is huge evolution that's happening. And this is awakening to the place that we're at today. And today, we have something called the magnetic mind method where, you know, what if it could be easy, what if it doesn't take 10 years of psychotherapy to figure out why I am the way that I am, and why I can't have what I want, or I get what I want, and it gets taken away. So when we go to superconscious, superconscious already knows. And we don't need to spend all that time digging in and asking the questions and figuring out where the connections were and where the misalignments were in Well, you know, I thought something but it wasn't really true. And I had, I gotta straighten all this out. superconscious can straighten that out in a blink, just because it already knows and you don't have we don't have to tell it any of the details, all we have to do is focus on what we want. And it's really the experience of what we want. So you mentioned earlier about, you know, getting into the emotions, getting into the emotion of the end result is step three, and the five step method because, you know, Einstein said, Look, there's only two things in the universe, there's information and there's energy, the information is the desire, the what, what do I want, okay. And the energy is the emotion. And it's like a holographic movie that when those two things come together, it's actually how a hologram is created. Okay, the energy and the information come together and shoot the manifests a hologram. So think of your life as like a holographic movie, where you are manifesting, you are, things are showing up in real time. And think of yourself for a second, as you're the director, you're the producer, you're the screenwriter, you've handed everybody their parts, and everything is happening, not to you, but for you to have the experience that's congruent with your identity. So you get treated by the characters, you know, as Shakespeare said, you know, all the world's a stage, and we're just actors on it, right? But you're the main guy, even in a movie, imagine walking into the screen and you becoming the main character. And when you look at some movies or series or something like that, some characters get written out a script. Right, they die off something terrible happens, they no longer exist. And the whole dynamic of the movie changes Think of your life in that way. The people that are there the circumstances, the conditions, the what is now is just what is. And when we focus on something else. And is the key point here also, we can focus on the problem, we can focus on how to fix the problem, and try to create, invent or figure out how to solve the problem. But what we focus on grows. So the more we focus on the actual problem, the bigger the problem sometimes gets. That's where we have to back out of that go into the creator stance and focus on what we would love focus on what we would just purely want. And that's how you know you have a true choice. If I asked you why do you want what you want? And you give me an answer and it sounds like a stepping stone on to something else. As a coach, I'm going to tell you that's not really the true choice because you're choosing something to get something else we have to get to the final end result. So I want to share just four creative stances with you real quick, to give you the perspective, a good creator stance is something like I choose to live my true nature and purpose. I just choose it. I choose to live my true nature and purpose because I'm going to tell you the only power that we really have in life is the power of choice. Think about it from the moment you wake up in the morning, what time do I get up? What are we going to wear, when we're going to go, we're going to drive, I'm going to take a bus, you know, when am I going to take lunch, it's a series of choices. And every choice has a result, or call it a consequence, right? So I choose to live my true nature and purpose. Another one is I choose to be the predominant creative force in my life.Gunther Mueller0:00I choose to live the life that I love. And this comes in alignment with your actions, right? The person that is living a life that they love, or this imaginative person that you see right now living a life that they love and the desire with that emotion of the end result, you're seeing the life that you love. What would you be doing right now, that's in alignment with that true choice. The action has to become an alignment, the identity needs to shift, but the actions have to be in alignment with their true choice. In other words, I choose to be healthy and vital. You know, the health issues we have going on in this country in the world and all that, you know, when your body is not working, and supporting you in the life that you love, it's a problem, you don't get to do the things that you love to do, because your body's not cooperating. So having a true choice, and I choose to be healthy and vital. And so let's just take a serious condition right now, if you're dealing with cancer of some level, the two choice is not to be cancer. The true choice is to be healthy and vital to have the experience. It's not the problem solving of how do I beat cancer? What therapy Do I need to beat cancer and all that the mindset shift needs to be creative and say, I choose infinite health and vitality? And what would it feel like to be infinitely healthy and vital. And you get into that stance? Because I'm going to tell you that everything that's ever been created, has been created twice, once in the mind. And once in a three-dimensional physical experience.Ari Gronich1:31Yeah, you know, it's funny, because I watched a lot of Jim Rohn stuff. And one of the things that Jim Rohn says is, is you wouldn't build a hotel until it was done. Right. You wouldn't build the thing until you had the blueprints until it was done. In your mind. If you just started to build something, you had brick, and you didn't know what you were building, people would ask you, you know, what are you building? I don't know, I'm just putting bricks together and they'd send you away. You know, he's like we are human beings are the one species that can program in and pre plan and choose what they're going to create. And…Gunther Mueller2:19sees are on instinct right. They're instinctual beings. Right? We have this creativeness. And if you ever read scripture in the beginning, I mean, it starts out right in the beginning says we were created in the image of the Creator. And so if we were in the image of the Creator, what are we? We are creative?Ari Gronich2:40I mean, if you're religious and believe that that is the line, absolutely. If you're not religious, and you don't believe that that's the line in a book, that means anything, it's still we create our kids, right? We create our imagination; I tell people on this show a lot. Like, we made this shit up. This is all a figment of our imagination. All of it, every single thing that we see here, taste do, everything is a figment of our imagination.Gunther Mueller3:17And the science backs that up. Our thoughts are perceptions and illusory, they're illusion, our emotions are illusion, they're not real. Okay, we make you sad. It's a simply we make this shit up, we create the reality we experience. And that's why you already are a superconscious creator. And all we have to do is what are you focused on? Are you focused on solving the problem to get what you want? Or do you really take back your power as a creator and choose to be the predominant creative force in my life? Ari Gronich3:56So we're gonna go back to your sales background a little bit, okay? Is what you just said? Ring a picture in my head of a billboard with a sign that says buy something to do something to get somewhere, right? So people are watching social media, advertising, how do they even know what is their true choice? How would they how would you even at this level, in this day and age, right, the bombardment of information and problems and stuff, right? How does somebody get to what that true choice is and while avoiding the noise of the sales of that advertisingGunther Mueller4:52Great question, because that is step one. In the five step magnetic mines. How do you choose a true choice? How do you actually get to it? And a true choice. The simple answer is if I asked you like, give me something you would just love. Give me something you would just really want. What's something?Ari Gronich5:09I'll just go to the, you know, question that life spring always or landmark always asked is chocolate or vanilla? Okay, for ice cream, like, what do you choose, chocolate or vanilla. Gunther Mueller5:21Choice of chocolate or vanilla or the choice of chocolate? Doesn't really doesn't matter. One day, I'll choose chocolate one day, I'll choose vanilla, because I like variety. Right? Okay, so that but that choice doesn't have any consequences. Right? So let's say let's say somebody chooses, let's take it in business, right? Um, you know, be like, Ari if you're coaching them are those on the show today, I got to start this business because I'm sick and tired of my nine to five job and I'm tired of my boss, I want to work for myself, you know, and they've seen the glitz on social media of people who've made it big, and they're driving lambos and stuff like that, you know, and you're just like, I want that, I want that. But the only way I'm going to get that I'm not going to get that at my job doing what I'm doing right now. Because my boss is cheap, and he's never gonna pay me more. I'm not getting paid what I want, what I'm worth, you hear the story that goes on mouth is a story, right? And so they would come to a coach like myself or like you, right? And we'd be like, well, I'm gonna do this, I need help doing this. And I'm gonna ask the question, Well, why do you want that? And if the answer is not just because I want it, it's not a true choice. If the answer becomes I want it, because when I have it, then I can be this or I can get that or it can become something else. Or it gets me to another place, then that thing that you just told me you wanted is not the true choice. It's just a stepping stone on to what you really want. So a true choice gets answered with I want it just because I would love to experience that. I want it just because I want it my being my desire, I just want that. I don't care what anybody else thinks. I don't get anybody else's input, whether it's a good choice, bad doesn't matter. I want it because I want to experience it experience is a very important thing. Because it's maybe not be a thing. It may not be something, it may be just an experience, like infinite abundance, or, you know, optimal vital health. Right?Ari Gronich7:30So true choice. I still, and I just want you to go deeper, I guess into it. I still see. Let's say I want joy, I want infinite joy. I want to experience joy at will. Gunther MuellerWhy do you want that? Why do you want to experience joy? On an infinite level? Ari GronichRight? That's what I'm saying is like, if somebody's saying that there's, at least in my case, it would be cuz I don't, but it would be. I haven't experienced enough joy in my life. So I want to experience at will the experience of joy. I love watching joy when I watch American Idol and I see somebody win. And they're just like, sheer joy. I want that. Right? It never, it never seems like a true choice. Because there's always is an outside perspective or an outside. If it's something I have not experienced, right, then it's outside of me. It's something I've been told would be good, right?Gunther Mueller8:35Your key right there, it's something I've been told would be good. And I should go do that. I should want that. That would be good for me. Someone else said. And then somebody else says that somebody else says somebody else says because all these somebody else's said it, it must be true. And it's not. So that's why coming into two choices and exercise that I do. It's called seven levels deep. And so you say the first thing that you really want, whatever it is, and I'm gonna ask you. So when you get that, what does that give you? Well, what do you get when you get that? What does that do for you? You say? Well, when I get that, I'm going to get this and it goes down to the next level. Okay, so when you get that, what does that do for you? But what do you get when you get that? Well, when I have that, then it's going to give me this. Okay, take that down. You have to third level now, right? You do that for seven levels deep. I want this because it gets me that then well, why do you want this? Well, because when I have this I can have that. And when I have this then I can have that and he push it down about seven levels and when you get down to the very bottom, and a lot of times you need a coach to do this because people will immediately say I don't know. And a coach will be like you do know you are connected to your infinite field that infinite consciousness. You do know, there's an aspect there's a resistance of you that doesn't want to recognize that, you know, because there may be a latent fear there, there may be something there that's blocking that, that real connection. And so it's a great exercise to go seven levels deep and Okay, so I say I want this thing, what do I want that? Okay, when I get that was like, What do I want that and you take it all the way down, that's how you get what I really want, is the experience of freedom. And no one ever getting to tell me what the hell to do. That's what I really want. Freedom, like for me is one of the operative words that have pushed me through life is the word freedom. And I was when I was in Alaska, I was working on a boat called the Born Free. no coincidence. Okay, the Born Free. And that's I identified with that name right away, like I am born free. It's not a I choose to statement like I knew it my consciousness that I am born free, free to choose what I want, when I want, who I want to do it with how much of it I want to do, it's me. And some people will flip that around while you just being selfish. No, it's in that same vein, that I can help whoever I want, I can provide for whoever I want, I can do all things with that type of freedom. And so when you look at the human desires of what it is we truly want, and you do a seven levels, deep exercise like that, I can tell you're going to get to the nitty gritty of what it is you really want. And that leads me to the two most important questions in life, which is Who are you? Who is it that you say you are? How do you operate? you operate with honesty, integrity, you know, things like that, like how do you I want to give you all the words, but how do you describe who is it that you say you are Who are you? And most of us have not spent any time contemplating that question, Who am I really Who am I? And then the second question is, what do I want, based on who I am what do I want. And all the social media, all the noise, all the influence from parent's school programming, peer pressure, whatever you want to call it, all that noise needs to cease for a moment, or lots of moments. So that you can actually get into your own being and understand what it is you truly would choose just because you would love it. See, we've never been given the opportunity in our programming really, to choose from a place of love. We choose from a place of elimination, sometimes, well, I got three crappy choices. Okay, so get rid of that one, get rid of that, I guess I choose that we choose by default, because we don't see any other choices, I don't have any. So I got to do that. And we choose by consensus. Before I make a decision, let me check with everybody and make sure everybody's gonna be on board with my decision. That's not a true choice. Where the fear is, if I choose something, my friends don't agree with me, I'm gonna lose my friends. That's fear. Right? So be conscious, observe how you choose what you choose. And that's a practice also, that's something that we just have to become conscious of? And what is our motivation? What are we really? Why do we want what we want? Is it to impress others? Is it to be liked? is it to have this feeling of belonging? is it to have this feeling of significance or being capable or admired, or to be beautiful or to be whatever, right? Whatever that desire is, it's a process of becoming conscious now, we don't have to go back and unravel everything because we are not broken. What is, is, and this is another key point I want to share the future will not be better. Many of us to say my life will be better when, my life will be better when this happens, or that happens when I get this, then I'll be able to do that. And everything is contingent on the future showing up. That's not how you create because the future is not going to be better because you are still going to be you in the future. Okay, what's it's just going to be different. And if we can just hold that thought for a second, the future is not going to be better. It's just going to be a different experience. And what I'm experiencing right now is just what is it's not bad. It's not horrible, because we just naturally our conscious mind like to throw labels on stuff. This suck. That's bad. That's wrong da da da.., right? And I want this because it's gonna be better. It's not going to be better. It's just going to be different experience than what is now If we can hold that for a second, we can achieve a level of contentment in the present moment, we can just be okay with what is. And we can just observe the current reality. And what is right now as just that is just what is and I choose something different. The feel the feel the difference of that it's not a half two, it's not anything like that it's I want, I just, I'm okay with where I am right now. It's just what it is. I created it all anyway. And I'm just choosing a different experience.Ari Gronich15:37Right. So that kind of ties into the Create a new tomorrow, you know, ideal is, as we started off with at the beginning of this is how to create a new tomorrow today. How do we? How do we get out of our own way? How do we, you know, stop the madness, you and I started before we hit record, we started talking about kind of what's going on in the world. I mean, the president of Haiti was assassinated, we've got the Cuba stuff going on, we got all of this madness around us. And the way that I always see have seen it is when the madness is happening around me, the only way for me to be the eye is for me to go inside. And outwardly focus from within my energy so that I'm pushing at the hurricane, so to speak versus and I'm in the eye instead of being in in the storm. But and obviously that works. Sometimes it doesn't work others, that's just the visual that I have. But we were talking about this, like, how does somebody get out of this place of madness that they're in? Whether it's web site, I don't care if the political or religious or scientific spectrum or cultural spectrum? It's everywhere right now. It's like, it's like a furnace has been lit. And and it's building pressure, right? I think something like we're in a pressure cooker. Yeah, let's talk about how do we let the steam out of the pressure cooker a little bit and then pop the top. So we're not in it? And do that in a safe way. But, you know, like, how do we get to that place from where we're at? Because what you're talking about feels very idealistic. I want to take it out of the idealism and into realism into how can somebody how can we do this? Now? How can we be in this?Gunther Mueller17:45So the idea, let's take the analogy of the pressure cooker. What if you do not have to reduce the pressure? But what if you can exist within the pressure and not be affected by the pressure?Ari Gronich18:04I guess that that's how I feel within like that I have a hurricane. Right?Gunther Mueller18:10It's a great visual, it is a great visual because there is infinite calm in the eye of the hurricane. To the left, there's chaos to the right, there's chaos, stuff blowing up, getting knocked down over here, stuff blowing up and knocked out over there. But in the middle, no wind, no storm in the eye could even be sunny in the middle of the hurricane. You know, it's like this whole Sun comes through and beautiful day. But the Hurricanes moving right. So the idealism, it only seems ideal, because it's a new concept. And just as asked was a new concept, you know, 30 years ago, that kind of thing, right? And rebirthing, we talked about that offline to so many techniques and things like that, to what to help us feel better. That's really what the human experience is, we want to just feel better. We want, we want what we want, which is to sum it up, less pain, more satisfaction, we want less pain and more satisfaction, you can throw the words meaning fulfillment in there. And what we talked about offline briefly was this pressure cooker feeling is like I described as people I think are getting to the point globally. Now. You mentioned all the places where there's unrest and problems going on. They are tired. They've had enough of not having enough. And I've always thought this look when you have nothing to lose. You have nothing to lose. And so you're going for it all because the current situation is not worth maintaining anymore. There's nothing in it anymore. It's painful, is gotten to the point where the pain of that existence. It is time to do something about it. But again, if you look at the world, they're solving it from the problem-solving real reality, we need to overthrow the dictator, we need to get a new government, we need to be left or right, we need to do this we the problem solving is there. So to answer your question that you asked me earlier a little bit, I wanted to inject the idea of we need to be it in order to see it. And the personal development movement have had has had that switched around a little bit, that as we start seeing results, we can be more that of that thing, right? I get when I have a billion dollars, I can be generous, right? So I need to create all this stuff. I gotta be a billionaire. And then I'll be able to, you know, be generous, like, if you're not generous now, in the current situation, you will not be generous. how many billionaires Do you know, I don't know that many of them. But I've heard of, and I read their stories, right? They're in fear of losing what it is they have. They don't have the bliss and the peacefulness and the calm in their life, and the experience that most of us really want or the freedom, okay, and we think that Oh, being that person like, the responsibility that comes with that position, the number of people that are trying to take your stuff, when you're in that position, the attacks that are coming at you, we think, oh, because, you know, we're in our secure Oh, it'd be so much better to be that guy. I'm here to tell you, not really not unless you structure it properly with the end in mind. Now, there are some people that have that, let's say kind of wealth, and I talk about wealth, not because it's the most important thing, because it's on a lot of people's minds. It's easy to measure, right? And when you look at the world, that seems to be what the irritation is, is not having enough. Ari Gronich21:53Let's say, you know, we go to the statistic 1.87, I believe trillion dollars into the like, top 10, 20 people in the world, their wealth over the course of COVID. Right. Whereas we spent, I think it's around 3 trillion. So I'm just going to correlate it right. So I correlate it, like the government spent 3 trillion of taxpayers money, 2 trillion of that approximately went into 20 people's hands. Right. So there's a correlation between wanting, I guess, fairness or equanimity and these kinds of things within the situation that that we aren't seeing, right. So if we're not seeing the fairness and equanimity that pain level goes up, as you were saying, and then the pressure cooker arises. But I don't think that people correlate the two things like they don't say, two, or 3 trillion came out of people's hands and into 20 people's hands, like out of a few 100 million into 20 people's hands. They don't say that they don't, they just say during this period of time, these top 20 people, their wealth skyrocketed, and these people their wealth went, right. So if we don't get the correlation, how do we get to the end, I'm going to use the word solution but as a problem solving, but how do we get to that place where equanimity fairness, those things, where as they're not guaranteed in life, are at least structured more appropriately or so that people can have the sense that when they do something like this magnetic mind, you know, and they're doing these five steps that they actually think that that true choice can happen?Gunther Mueller24:03Yeah, so anything high Einstein said this to write anything that you can imagine, you can create, anything that's ever been created started in the imagination first, but you have to think of your life in little bubbles, you are in this little bubble right here. Okay. And that's just you, your desires, your true choices, the experience that you want in the current reality, and you want this experience just because you'd love it, just because you want it just because that's the experience you want to have. It does not mean that the entire world has to change for you to have this experience in your life. And let's just stick with the wealth or abundance type thing. In order for you to have the experience of abundance. It doesn't mean you have to be one of the 20 people. Ari, I want to use an example of breathing The last time you thought about how much air was available to you today to breathe.Ari Gronich25:06I'm a weird one, I think about it because I think about cleanliness and the air. But you know. Gunther MuellerThat's different from quantity, right? Ari GronichThat is different. quality versus quantity. Yeah, that's different.Gunther Mueller25:17But our experience as human beings is that we've always had pretty much unless you're drowning, or you're locked in a sealed box or something like that we've had an infinite air supply, we can breathe as much as we want as fast as we want. We've never really thought about, you know, is there going to be enough air today for me to survive? Know the so even in the current reality in the current moment, if you focus on just breathing, you can have the experience of abundance. That's what abundance feels like having more than enough. And so let's say in our lives, if we want to create that experience of abundance, if you have $10, left over from your budget, at the end of the month, you have more than you needed, you just have $5 left over at the end of the month. That is an experience of abundance, it may not match your desire. But this is what creates the contentment in the moment just for a time since you can plant your feet. And you can be it now. Okay, you can be it now you can experience abundance of what it feels like to be abundant in your little bubble. All right now around this bubble, is your family, friends and influence your little tribe is around there. And these are the ones that could be speaking, some sort of negativity into your thing, right, but you're in this bubble, you have a true choice, you have a desire, you have the thing that you would just love to experience for no other reason than the fact that you want it, you love it. And this field here is either going to you're going to influence this field or this field is going to influence you. And the more you secure yourself in your own being listening to your own voice, your own desires, and you focusing on that which you want, and not trying to solve for world peace or trying solve all the ills and all the problems in the world. It's the analogy of the airplane, right, you have to put your oxygen mask on first, before you can help anyone else. So getting in to the conscious creator stance, and choosing that which you want, creates this little bubble. And you can experience that which you choose to experience in this little bubble and it does work. Okay, the magnetic mind method has even restored eyesight, we're not promising that but we had a blind person go through a series of recodes and restored the eyesight because the identity shifted from a person that did not see to a person that now sees, we've had people get out of wheelchairs, because the identity has shifted, again, extreme examples of what is not promising that everybody, but when the identity shifts, the current reality changes. And that reality includes the bubble of your family may not like how your family and friends treat you or done it enough. But that can change too. When this changes, then this changes when this bigger bubble then changes, then the outer bubble changes and the more people that are taking this responsibility for themselves and manifesting their own true choice experience. And imagine if more and more and more people did this on a regular basis. And I regular by i mean you know, once or twice a day is getting into that field and being clear about what you want. Because you have to send that vibration into the field superconscious needs to know that you're serious about what you want. It can't just

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Today I will be interviewing Dr. Debi Silber, founder of PBT (Post Betrayal Transformation).We will talk about the pain of being betrayed and will help us understand and learn how to come out of it as a better person Creating a New Tomorrow for ourselves.=======================Ari Gronich0:05Welcome back to another episode of creating a new tomorrow. I am your host Ari Gronich. And today I have with me Dr. Debbie Silber. She is the founder of the post betrayal transformation Institute and is holistic psychologist, a health mindset and personal development expert and the author of number one best-selling book, “The unshakable woman four steps to rebuilding your body”. Dr. Debi, let me just ask you to talk to the audience. Tell them a little bit about your background and why post betrayal? That seems to be an odd thing to niche in. So..Debi Silber0:42Yeah, I don't. I don't think anybody says, Oh, I think I want to study betrayal. No, it's actually my 30th year in business. And as life would morph and change, so would so with the business. And I was in health and mindset and personal development, and then trauma. And I had my first betrayal from my family, and I thought I did the work to heal. And a few months when a few months, few years later, actually it was my husband, and anybody who's been through it. You're blindsided. You're shocked. You're devastated. You know, life as you've known it is no longer. So got him out of the house. And I thought about I said, Okay, well what similar to these two experiences. And I realized I never really took my own needs seriously, it was about everybody else, boundaries were getting crossed. I was like, something's got to change. And that's me. So four kids, six dogs, and a thriving business. I was 50. I'm like, that's it. Going back for a PhD. I didn't even know where that idea came from. I didn't know how I was going to pay for it, how I was going to do it. But it was in transpersonal, psychology, the psychology of transformation, human potential. And while I was there, I did a study, I studied betrayal, what holds us back what helps us heal and what happens to us physically, mentally and emotionally. When the people closest to us lie, cheat and deceive. That study led to three groundbreaking discoveries which changed my health, my business, my family, my life.Ari Gronich2:07Very cool. So betrayal. Let me ask you a question. All of what you kind of said was betrayal from others? And then you talk about working on you. Right? So the biggest question is the betrayal that we give to ourselves? So can you talk a little bit about that?Debi Silber2:35Sure. Self-betrayal is huge. And there's such a link between self-betrayal and betrayal. You know, self-betrayal is when you know, something isn't in your best interest and you do it anyway. You know, something doesn't serve and you do it anyway, you know, you shouldn't do something, feel something, keep going back for something and you keep doing it. So we're betraying ourselves, you know, it's not in our best interest yet. We keep doing it. So that's self-betrayal.Ari Gronich3:02Okay, so how does that extend into others betraying us? Because what I've found, at least in my experience is, the harder I treat myself, the harder I get treated by others, right, so it directly correlates to, I'm expecting, at this point people to betray me. And so I'm going to invite that in so to speak, versus No, when I have to have a barrier between myself in that or boundary.Debi Silber3:33Yeah, uh, you know, if we write the script for how people treat us, but there were so many things in what you said, like what one thing is, if you expect it, for sure, that's what you know, that's what you'll have. And that's why we see so like, I can spot an unhealed betrayal from a mile away. And one way is when there's a repeat betrayal, because here's this opportunity for us to learn something really profound, not that we're causing the betrayal, but there's a real opportunity here and until and unless we do we will keep getting opportunities in the form of people to teach us this, you know, maybe the bound you know, the rule is that where the lesson is, I need better boundaries in place. I am lovable, worthy, deserving, whatever it is, and you know, it's time to get that lesson so it doesn't have to keep repeating itself.Ari Gronich4:22Just so in the context of how we create a new tomorrow and activate our vision for a better world. You know, what do you say is like the number one, number two, number three things for people to do, so that they can understand this and begin creating a new tomorrow today for themselves?Debi Silber4:45Yeah, well, I mean, the first thing is, like I live real simply have a very simple rule. If it's going to hurt someone, don't do it. Mostly shocked and amazed that other people just don't follow those same rules. So it's really simple. It's like if you want to make a Better Tomorrow, do right by people, you know, lead with kindness, live and love, like, don't just don't hurt people period. But that's not you know, people are acting from their current level of consciousness from where they are. That's the, that's the choice they think is the best, the best move. So, you know, so what do we do, of course, the first thing is prevent something from happening in, in the first place, that's best-case scenario. the second best is to clean it up, clean it up for the betrayed person, there's tremendous opportunity for growth. But for the betrayer, there are two. That is what could be the biggest wakeup call of their life. You know, with some people, it's just on to the next there's a void, there's a hole, there's a gap, and they just don't want to look, don't want to see. So they just keep looking for something on the outside to fill that inside need. You're really not working with much here. So when that's the case, you know, you heal yourself and, and rebuild like, in my scenario. I learned rebuilding is always a choice, whether you rebuild yourself and move on. And that's what I did with my family. Or if the situation lends itself and you're willing, and you want to, you can rebuild something entirely new with the person who hurt you. And that's what I do with my husband. So not long ago, we married each other again. And there's the opportunity, but I never in a bazillion years would have done anything like that if I wasn't totally different, and for sure if he wasn't either.Ari Gronich6:33Interesting. So here's where I guess I'm struggling with, with some of this is there's a lot of there's a lot of self-accountability, right. But there's also this accountability to and for others. And so when you say something like, just don't hurt people, right? I think to myself, well, I could be just doing me being a good person, the way I'm a good person, and somebody may get hurt somehow seigneur in some way. And so how does not hurt somebody and take care of your business internally and your internal pain so that you're not basically being a pain thrower, throwing your butt off onto people. So I'm trying to, I want to get the balance here for the audience of this.Debi Silber7:38It's a great question. intentionality is really where it is, you know that that's what I'm talking about. When you intentionally are hurting someone, you can of course, listen, if you accidentally bump into someone, you weren't trying to hurt them. It's just it was an accident and things happen. Betrayal, the reason why betrayal is such a unique type of trauma is because of how intentional it is, when someone's breaking the spoken or unspoken rules of that relationship. And every relationship has them. Right? It's a breaking of those rules. One person was abiding by the rules, and the other person without their awareness or consent, broke the rules. That's where it's an issue. If both people in relationship, whether it's friends, family member, partner, whatever. If it's an understood thing, hey, there are no rules here. Okay. And if that's your rule, that's okay. But when there's an understanding, spoken or unspoken, you know, and when one person chooses to break that, and breach that trust, that's what I'm talking about. Ari Gronich8:47Gotcha. Okay. So then let's talk about businesses, betraying, you know, people, right, so let's talk about that a little bit. Because as I sit and look at politics, and look at businesses and look at all the things going on religion, there's been a lot of betrayal of the trust that people have been placing in them. And so that's where my question to you would be. Let's talk about the larger betrayals beyond individual to individual that, you know, community, to individual country to individual religion, authority figure, whatever it is.Debi Silber9:31Yeah, you broke up for a big piece of that. So I'm going to try to imagine what you were saying here. It's so widespread, it really is. I mean, even so, you know, I remember in my research, reading about consumer betrayal. I mean, we can think about it you can, and the study even found there is something called the love versus hate principle, something like that, where we would rather knowingly do something, we know is bad for buy something we know is bad for us, then be duped. For example, you know cigarettes, we know it's bad for us, right? But if someone were to purchase it, or they would rather do that, then buy a product that says, let's say it's good for us and it's not. Right. So it and then because quickly that love for that company turns to hate, we are furious. It's that feeling of being duped and yeah, so much. You know, we're feeling it in so many areas of life right now. Just even in this post COVID world we're living in. And, you know, where some people are just feeling the we could feel betrayed by our own bodies, we could feel betrayed by life by government, by God, I mean, people can universe source, whatever you say. So it's really, you know, even a breaking of those expectations, right. But the way it works with betrayal is the more we trust, and the more we depend on someone that deeper that betrayal. So a child, let's say, who's completely dependent on their parent and parent does something awful, it's gonna have a different impact than your best friend share your secret.Ari Gronich11:03So then, what is the mechanism, right? I talked about this a lot on the show the mechanism that causes people to act against their own self-interest, because I look at what's going on, just in general, the news, for instance, right? I think it's probably a high percentage of the population that feels betrayed by the news that feels like everything is being lied about, like we go down the aisle in the grocery store, we see all natural, healthy, and then you look at the ingredients, and there's almost nothing natural or healthy about it. Right? So how does somebody number one, emotionally deal with the fact that they are constantly being lied to betrayed and treated in a way that's, you know, against their own self-interest? So have the emotional side of that, but then how do we get people to act based on that so that we can stop those trends?Debi Silber12:07Yeah. You know, it's a great question. Because if anything makes you angry, it's that you're being lied to. And, you know, and that's where trust gets shattered. Because then we look at it. Like with the closer the more obvious betrayals, we say, I can't trust my betrayal. I don't even trust myself, how did I not see how did I not know? So how do I then trust this person, that person, so trust is completely and totally shattered. And that's why it's so traumatic. We, you know, we have to be discerning. So what we don't want to do is just be so unwilling to trust because if there's no trust, there's no relationship. There's no, there's no intimacy, there's no closest you're living half a life, right? It's like you're getting burned on the stove. And you're like, that's it. I'm never cooking again. Right? Yeah, it's not fair to you. So we need to have some level of understanding that people are acting from their current level of consciousness, this is the best they can do for right now. Now, how do you change it? yet? Like a role model? You do? You, you do you the best way you can. And if people ask me all the time, you when it comes to, let's say, kids, you know, they're watching everything you do way more than what you say, it's what you do. So just do the right thing as best you can, from where you are right now.Ari Gronich13:32Okay, so that is a partial answer. So that's the emotional side, write active site, to activate yourself to stop that behavior from not just affecting you, but when we see it, I consider that to be the bully, right? So the behavior is, it's the bullying behavior. So I always say silences are bullies' best friends. So if you want to stop the bully, you got to get loud, right? So in this case, how does somebody get loud start being noisy about the fact that hey, this is going on. And yet doing it not in a victim way but doing it in let's empower ourselves and the rest of the community to say, Hey, we should probably not do this.Debi Silber14:20Right. So I mean, I don't think it really you accomplish anything from a victim standpoint, except making yourself sick. And that's really all you do. from a place of strength. It's having boundaries in place, and standing firm with them not being flimsy with your own boundaries. And the easiest way to see this is what would I recommend to someone else? If I'm, if I would say, if someone were to come to me and say, What do I do about this, or should I tolerate this or that or the other thing? You know, what am I doing? If here's the thing when it comes to betrayal to if I would be Completely an unwilling to completely unwilling to accept anything less than what I deserved, let's say from that person who betrayed me, Well, I have to be completely willing to show up in that strong, powerful way myself. So I have to be unwilling to accept anything less of myself. So I can't just, you know, anything goes, No, I'm holding myself to a higher standard. If I'm gonna hold someone else to it, I start first.Ari Gronich15:27Right, I understand that. So I don't want to go bigger with that again, you know, my whole thing I want to go bigger, with bigger and deeper, bigger and deeper. So, again, I go, this is cool. And let's talk cancer is a betrayal, right? It's a betrayal. The betrayer is, let's say, in some case, the cigarette company, right? The cigarette company is lying to you for 50 years telling you that it's good, right? And now. And now it's done right now. Now we know. So now you're you've become the betrayer yourself, because now you have an open relationship with what used to be the betrayer, which is the company. Debi Silber16:15Right? So now my role is to not spend a penny with that company again. Because if I do that, and the next person does that the next person does and the next person does that. We're not supporting something that isn't in our best interest.Ari Gronich16:30Okay, so how do we develop the chain reaction? If we see something that systemically bad not for us, but for everyone, right? How do we stem that chain reaction? So I'm going to go to a deeper thing cigarettes is like, easy, right? We already kind of have that around, let's say pesticides in our food, right? Which cause cancer, which are very toxic to your nervous system, your immune system, all those things, right? So let's talk about that. How do we get in not just you and me who have gone organic or whoever who, you know, says let's all go organic? And let's hug trees, right, which completely divides people? How do we get that train going to the companies that are providing those chemicals to stop the governments that, you know, like, how do we stop people? Yeah, other than just saying, I'm personally not going to do that, because one person's pennies don't mean as much as 100 people's pennies.Debi Silber17:35Absolutely. But you know, it's like, they're the only word that comes to mind is critical mass, if I do it, if you do it, and then if our message gets to the next person, the next person, the next person, you know, that's, that, to me, is more effective. Listen, some people are activists, and they're going to be the ones with the signs and you know, protesting outside the company headquarters, and I get that I'm going to do my part and not supporting something and sharing the message to, let's say, my community, and doing my part. And if everybody does their part, it's we can have that that critical. That critical message, it reminds me of that starfish story, you know, you hear the starfish they're all the starfish on the laying on the beach. And there's the I think it's like a grandchild grandson and a grandfather and or something, no son, whatever. And they're just throwing one starfish in and one starfish in , and they're like, well, what's the difference? There are so many 1000s it's like well, this one made a difference to this one made a difference to this one. So I look at it like we're beautiful. We have a beautiful opportunity to do our part, share with our community, be the role model and let that let that grow. So I don't think the anger is what moves the angle if the anger motivates. That's beautiful. But coming at it from a place of strength not a place of just reaction.Ari Gronich18:59Right. But I guess what I got from you, which I was looking for, was the share.Then get out and you know, not just keep it within for a year yourself. Right? Well, but share it right?Debi Silber19:17Well, of course. I mean, that's why I opened up the PBT Institute. What's the point of me just healing? I mean, I made a vow. I said if I, if I heal, I'm taking Everybody with me. You know, why on earth would I just do this for just myself? It's like, I feel like we owe it to others. If we've been through something, how do you not share that and shorten someone else's learning curve. And if everybody does that with their own experience, someone has a financial crisis. They teach how to avoid it. Someone has a health crisis. They teach how to avoid I had a betrayal crisis. I teach someone how to heal from it. I mean, I think that's, that's how we contribute. Ari Gronich19:53Awesome. So I like the anger. The anger absolutely motivates me. In some ways, and I like action, right? I like the movement of action; which activism is that? And I'm like for my audience you know, I'm calling for activism these days for people to be actively not going against the system but actively looking for ways that they can improve on the system. So Buckminster Fuller, one of my, you know, mentors, I guess. inspirations, I'd say, you know, used to say, you don't build something, or you don't fight the system, you build something better next to it, and people will come. That's a paraphrase. But that's the idea. So what are we building? Right? for people to come to that's better than the system that we've had. And so for you, you've created what you know, you call the PVT right?Debi Silber21:08The post betrayal transformation Institute, there is nothing like it that exists. It's like how people know, a is if you have an alcohol issue, the PBT Institute is if you have a betrayal issue, you're not meant to stay there long. It's the training wheels until you don't need them. But there's a roadmap and a predictable way to heal now. So if we can avoid it, next best is heal from it quickly.Ari Gronich21:30Awesome. So then I'm going to go into something I talked to you a little bit about in our pre interview, which is the body, the cymatics, the trauma that lives inside of your cells. Because at least in my years of experience, I don't really see talk so much, or cognitive behavioral, do very much for a person long term, it usually brings up the stuff more and you know. So I talk a lot about cymatics and bodywork and getting the issues out of the tissues. So we talk a little bit about that, and how that relates to what you're talking about.Debi Silber22:11Oh, yeah, it's a it's a huge component of healing. You know, the talk therapy, it can do one thing, if you're unpacking it so that you do something with it. That's beautiful. But if you're just unpacking it, so you're just looking at it. I just don't see the point of that. I mean, and here's the thing, we found, the wrong type of support does way more harm than good. Because if someone is in highly skilled, you know, we're talking about betrayal here, if they're not highly skilled, and how to move someone through betrayal, it's it can re traumatize and just keep them re traumatized because so many therapists actually blamed the betrayer. Right, you know, let's say I we've seen this so many times, husband and wife goes to she drags him to couples counseling. And if that therapist isn't highly skilled in let's say, narcissism, let's just say right? Narcissus, crocodile tears, very charming. And the therapist can look at the betrayed say, you know, he just learned to communicate better. It's like, Are you joking? You know, so. So it's that has a role. Certainly, if it's a qualified therapist, there's an important role there. But you're right. It's it goes so much deeper. And you know, that was one of the discoveries that there's this collection of symptoms, so common to betrayal, it's known as post betrayal syndrome. We've had about 25,000 people take the post betrayal syndrome quiz, actually pulled some stats, if you want me to show you absolutely, and we have, every age represented just about every country in this is men and women. So this is so you see, how betrayal, shows itself physically, mentally, and emotionally ready. 78% constantly revisit their experience. 81% feel a loss of personal power. 80% are hyper vigilant 94% deal with painful triggers, those triggers can take you right down. These are the most common physical symptoms. 71% have low energy 68% have sleep issues, a 63% extreme fatigue, so you could sleep you wake up, you're exhausted. Those are your adrenals that have just crashed. 47% have weight changes. So in the beginning, maybe they can't hold food down, and then later on, they're using food for comfort. 45% have digestive issues, anything from constipation, diarrhea, IBS, Crohn's, colitis, you name it. The mental symptoms 78% are overwhelmed 70% walking around in a state of disbelief. 68% are unable to focus 64% are in shock. 62% are unable to concentrate. So imagine here you can't concentrate. You have a gut issue. You're exhausted and you're supposed to work and raise your kids or whatever you're doing. That's not even the emotional ones. 88% extremes sadness. 83% are angry, just mix sadness and anger and that's exhausting, right? 82% feel hurt 80% have anxiety 79% are stressed. Here's why I wrote the book trust again 84% have an inability to trust. 67% prevent themselves from forming deep relationships because they're afraid of being hurt again. 82% find it hard to move forward. 90% want to move forward, but they don't know how? Ari Gronich25:32Well, those are some pretty intense statistics, I'm actually very glad that you bring them up. Because, you know, I'm a woowoo scientist, I like science. I like research. I'd like, you know, the double blinds. I like that stuff. And I like the woowoo at the same time. So, you know, so yeah, so let's break some of that down a little bit. If you break down each one, like, what does that story tell you, like, just tell the story of what those numbers are?Debi Silber26:07Yeah, the story is and one thing I can share, too, was one of the other discoveries, the five stages that we go through from betrayal to breakthrough. But what it shows is someone can be fresh out of the shock of their experience, or drowning in it. It can be decades; it could have happened decades ago. And they think just because time has passed, they're better and they're okay. And they're not. And it's interesting, because in the quiz, there's a question that reads, is there anything else you'd like to share, and people write things like my betrayal happened 35 years ago, I'm unwilling to trust again, my betrayal happened 40 years ago, I can still feel the hate my betrayal happened 15 years ago, I feel gutted. So we know, you know, we've all heard Time heals all wounds, and I have the proof when it comes to betrayal. That's simply not true. So this is a representation of people who are stuck and struggling.Ari Gronich27:04So what do you do? what would you consider a percentage of the population that has betrayal? Because I would look at the world right, and birth to death? I don't see anybody getting out of life without several betrayals, let alone You know, major ones, but several major betrayals, so what does that mean, for a country a populous. I mean. Debi Silber27:33You know, it means we have, we have so many things that we do so well, and so many things that we suck at. And where we really, it would really serve us to step up our game, something like betrayal. I mean, you see the havoc that is left in the wake of a betrayal. So you know, when that's what's left, after someone just breaks that unspoken or spoken rule, right? There's so much cleanup, there's so much heartache, there's so much damage, right. So it would really serve to just learn more about like, I wish everybody knew these stats, I wish everybody knew. So this way the betrayal could be like, again, do I really want to cause that, you know, these symptoms? To me, the person I say I love, right? I mean, because it's, it's inevitable. Now, that's not saying you have to stay with these symptoms at all. You can heal from every single one of them. I did. But that's where you land. And that's where you know, you can stay if you choose, you know, staying stuck is a choice. Ari GronichYeah, so what's, you know, talking about those five steps? Debi SilberSure. So, so, you know, even but can I give you a little analogy, I think this would really serve, because I see this all the time with people where they are the ones who do get stuck, you know, I here's the difference between resilience and transformation, resilience is restoring. And you need that fear every day. When it comes to betrayal. It's more like trauma and transformation. So using this analogy of a house, and I talked about this in in my second TEDx, do you have post betrayal syndrome? So imagine the house needs a new paint job and you paint, right, that's resilience, you're bringing it back, you're restoring it, or it needs a roof you give it a new roof, that's restoring resilience. Here's trauma and transformation. A tornado comes by and levels your house, right paint jobs, not gonna fix it, and a new roofs not gonna fix it. Here's the thing, though. You have every right to stand there at the lot where your house once stood and say, Oh my gosh, this is the most awful thing that's ever happened and you'd be right. And you can call over everybody you know, and say, look at this. Isn't this the most terrible thing you've ever seen? And they all agree, and you don't have to do anything. However, if you choose to rebuild your house, you don't have to but If you choose to, why on earth would you build the same one? There's nothing there. Right? Why not make it so much better, so much more beautiful. That's the opportunity. Betrayal is the setup for transformation. And when we look at it like that, we could be like, okay, it's leveled, it's dead and gone. I can at the very least rebuild a strong solid me. But who knows? A strong, solid, new couple, you could do that, too. Anyway, I wanted to share that before I got to the five stages.Ari Gronich30:29 Yeah, no, I appreciate that. Because it brought something up in me, which is that rebuilding stage? And so one of the things that I've said, as somebody who's had a brain tumor all my life, right, is, I don't know who I would be, without this tumor with without the pain without the struggle without the angst. Without the trauma, without the betrayal without any of those things. I don't know who I would be. And then somebody gave me this glass or this coffee mug that said, life is not about discovering yourself, it's about creating yourself or something like that. And so when I look at, or when you're talking about the rebuilding part, decorating your house the way you want it, building the rooms and the space the way you want it, how does one even envision that from the place of betrayal from a place of, of damage?Debi Silber31:36Yeah. And in the very beginning, getting out of bed, maybe all they can do. So I'm just acknowledging that because that's, that's real. And I'll walk you through the stages. In this way, you'll see exactly where someone is, and, and you'll know and I invite everybody to think about, as I'm going through them, picture yourself, if you're if you're there, if you were there, you know, where are you? Because you'll see yourself clearly. The first stage was a setup stage, I saw this with every study participant Me too, if you imagine four legs of a table, the four legs being physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual. What I saw with everybody was this real heavy lien on the physical and the mental, and kind of ignoring the emotional and the spiritual. What does that look like, looks like we're really good at thinking and doing, not really prioritizing the feeling and being, but that's where intuition lies. So often, we turn that down. But if there's a table with only two legs, easy for that table to topple over, and that's us, that's not to say, if you're busy thinking and doing, you're going to be betrayed, it's just that was what I saw. Stage two, this is by far the scariest of all of the stages. And this is shock, trauma, the day, discovery day. And this is the breakdown of the body, the mind and the worldview. You're shocked. So you've just ignited the stress response. Now you're headed for every single stress related symptom, illness condition, disease, your mind is in a complete state of chaos and overwhelm, this makes no sense. You cannot wrap your mind around what you just learned. It's like a weird time warp thing that's happening right now. And your worldview is shut has just been shattered. That's your mental model. These are the rules. This is our life works. Don't trust that person go there, right. And every rule that governed life is no longer it's terrifying. Bottom is bottom down on you. But think about it. If the bottom were to bottom out on you, what would you do you grab hold of anything you could to stay safe and stay alive? That stage three survival instincts emerge. It's the most practical of all of the stages. If you can help me get out of my way, how do I survive this experience? Who can I trust? Where do I go? How do I feed my kids? Like it's that practical? Here's the trap.Debi Silber33:47Once you figured out how to survive, because it feels so much better than the shock and trauma of where you just came from, you're like, Okay, all right, we got this, and you start planting roots here. We have no idea. There's a stage four and stage five waiting transformation doesn't even start till stage four. But because you think this is it, you better figure out a way to make it work, a few things start happening. The first thing is, you start getting those small self-benefits, right? You get to be right, you get your story, you get someone to blame, you get a target for your anger, you get sympathy from everybody you tell your story to you don't have to do the hard work of learning to trust again, should I trust you. So just forget, it's easier not to trust anybody. So you plant deep, deeper roots. Now that you're here longer than you should be? Your mind starts doing things like well, maybe you deserved it. Maybe you're not that great. Maybe this maybe that deeper roots. Now because like energy attracts like energy. You're calling circumstances and people and relationships towards you to confirm this is exactly where you belong. It gets worse but I'll get you out of here because it feels so bad. But you have no idea there's anything better. Right here is where you resign yourself to thinking, this stinks. I'm in so much pain. I don't know how to get out of it, but I better figure out a way to make it work. So right here is where you start using food, drugs, alcohol, work, TV, keeping busy, reckless behavior, to numb avoid, distract yourself from what's so painful to feel our face. So think about it. You do this for a day, a week, a month now, it's a habit a year, 10 years, 20 years. And I can see someone 20 years out and say that emotional eating, you're doing or that numbing in front of the TV, you're doing work that drinking you're doing Do you think that has anything to do with your betrayal? And they would look at me like I'm crazy. They would say that happened 20 years ago, doesn't matter. You see, all they did was put themselves in a perpetual stage three holding pattern. That makes sense. Yeah, absolutely. So anyway, if you're willing to let go of those small self-benefits, you have to do a couple things, grief, you know, mourn the loss, do a bunch of things, you can move to stage four, stage four is finding and adjusting to a new normal. Here's where you acknowledge, I can't undo my betrayal, right, but I control what I do with it. So I always use the example of if you've ever moved to a new house, office, condo, apartment, whatever your stuffs not all there, yes, not quite cozy yet. But it's going to be okay. When you're in that mental state, you start turning down the stress response. You're not healing just yet. But you just stopped the massive damage you were causing and staging in stages two, and three. Also, what I found so interesting to the stages, if you were to move, you don't take everything with you, right, you don't take the stuff that doesn't represent the version of you, you want to be when you're in this new place. And what I found was, if your friends weren't there for you, if you just had those like-minded stuck friends, right here is where you've outgrown them. And if you don't take them with you, I saw that all the time. And when you're in this stage four you making it Okay, you're making this your new mental home, you can move into the fifth most beautiful stage and this is healing rebirth and a new worldview. The body starts to heal, self love, self care, eating well exercise, he didn't have the bandwidth for that earlier. Now you do your mind, you're making new rules, new boundaries, based on what you see. So clearly now. And you have a new worldview. Based on the road you just traveled. And the four legs of the table. In the beginning, it was all about the physical and the mental. By this point, were solidly grounded because we're focused on the emotional and the spiritual to those are the five stages.Ari Gronich37:34Okay, so you have the five leg table, center, one just right, rounded down into the earth. There you go. All right. So let's talk about stage three, a little bit deeper. Mm hmm. Because that's where I think most people are in a chronic automatic patterning, right, that we know about our bodies, traumas that our cells regenerate. Every you know, however, many months to however many years, we are completely cellularly a new person, every seven years, I think, seven years, but like our livers like a few of however many months in our lungs, or however many months. And so, in general, we're in a constant state of completely regenerating who we are as human beings, on a physical cellular level, right. However, what we know is that our genetics continually repattern the same traumas, whether they're physical traumas or emotional traumas that last in the body that are like, you know, in you. So what happens is, when at least when I start doing the somatic body work, is that the body no longer reproduces the scar tissue? You could actually see, like somebody who has a 20-year-old surgical scar, for instance, that disappearing as we end up working on that in those areas. Right. So how do how does? How does that translate to what we're talking about in stage three? Yeah, there are. We're completely rejuvenating and regenerating, but we're creating the same automatic patterns. And then how do we, how do we technically get that to switch into stage four? Mm hmm. Yep. From stage four, the mindset that allows us to go into stage five, because I think that there's something emotional and then mental about going through those two places. So Debi Silber39:49100%. So to answer your first question, I just want to answer before I forget, there was the part two. So the first part of that is, you know, how we're regenerating right new cells and everything. But when we're fueling ourselves with the same thoughts over and over and over again, that's absolutely what's keeping us stuck. Because think about it, it's the same thoughts that drive the same feelings, the same emotion, that drive more thoughts more feeling more emotion. So we're creating these neural networks, this, these well says groove like grooves in your brain that are so we become so hard wired. So it is so easy to keep going down that well-worn path, taking us to nowhere, we've we've done it, you know, so often, and it's there, there is a point, you know, in the beginning, we're ruminating, we're trying to make sense out of it. But then we have to prevent ourselves from marinating where we're just drowning in it, right. And it's when you've gone down that road 100 million times coming out no better than the last bunch of times, then it becomes, and this, this may annoy people, you're indulging, you're indulging in it. And there's that fine line, where you have to say I'm coming out of this no better than the last bunch of times. And now I have to be a little ruthless with myself. And I have to create a new neural network. So what you're at what you actually need to do is break that connection and form a new one. And what happens is, it's not like you forget your experience, it loses its emotional charge. So to your point, yes, your body's changing. But when the mind changes along with it, that's the chick that's, that's what really moves the needle for us. People in stage three, there with that same thought pattern that's keeping them with the same thoughts, habits, behaviors, actions that are keeping them exactly where they are, and really hurting their health in the process. That's your first question, right.Ari Gronich0:00Am just gonna break up the second one. So I know with like, say Tony Robbins, state change, right, a 45 seconds state change. So do you have state changes, for instance, to move through those places?Debi Silber0:25Yeah, you know, one of the things that when we work with people, you know, within the Institute, it's knowing, first of all, they have to know where they are, they just have they ruminate enough, and now it's, it's causing some harm. So when, when they know and it's everybody's, you know, situation is a bit different, bit different, but when they know, then Okay, then it's time to come up with something new. So it can be something as simple as wearing a rubber band on their wrists not and so this way, they would snap the ribbon, not to hurt them to remind them. So when they find themselves going down that that rabbit hole that they've done a million times, what they want to do is kind of snap the band, you know, and then beforehand, they also wanted to maybe envision a really happy, peaceful scene, that feels better, right? And so that would be the time to implement it. So let's say they're triggered, they start going down that path, wait a second stop, and whether you have to scream it out loud screaming in your head, whatever you have to do, because those thoughts are running away with you snap the band is that reminder, implement that peaceful, beautiful scene, generate the feelings that come with it? You know, and you'll physic physically, you'll feel different, you're creating a physiological change. Do that enough? Because you can't think of two things at once. Right? So do that enough. And then the old track kind of loses its charge as the new track just, you know, slowly takes over. That's just one of the thingsAri Gronich1:57You know, it's interesting, when you were talking, I was remembering, being in Israel, and going down a cobblestone street that had groove marks in the stone from the carriages that would go through and how well grooved into history. Those grooves are from so many people. And what I find interesting is like, you know, those tracks are pretty thin, yet? Everybody went in the same tracks. And nobody. Look, it's almost like, nope, nobody went outside of those tracks and said, hey, let's create some new grooves. Right. So let's just kind of go. I know, I often go to nonlinear places. But let's go into why do we continually follow the same group that we know is not working? Debi SilberBecause we don't have to think. Thinking is hard. So we don't have to think that way. We assume everyone knows better than us, we assume it's right and true, not because we're tapping into our own inner guide. We're just assuming everybody knows better than us. So sometimes it's self-esteem issues. Sometimes it's, you know, a worthiness issue right here. But what happens is just because it's easy, just because it's familiar, doesn't mean it's good. The only benefit is that it's familiar, right? Like I use an example of, let's say, it's, there's snow on the ground, right? And someone, you know, paves a path for you very easy, right? You just keep walking on that thing. And maybe it's taking you nowhere, but if you were to then shovel a new path, right, it could be Rocky and unstable and you could slip and you can fall. But if you commit to going on that path, not allowing yourself to go on the other one, eventually that path is going to be as well-worn as the first but it's taking you somewhere so much better. But it's a commitment to stop walking on that first path and venture into the next one knowing that it's not going to be easy. We don't like getting uncomfortable. We don't like that. We will do all we can to avoid discomfort. You know but think of the caterpillar and the butterfly the most classic example of transformation think about that Caterpillar is just done being a caterpillar die think of it the symbolism hangs itself from a branch to die to the life it's known. spends a cocoon around itself is willing to be deconstructed emulsified unrecognizable from anything it once was only because it went through that does it get to be the butterfly, most beautiful creature on our planet, right? Can't do that. If it wasn't going through that process. Ari Gronich4:49And it has to fight to get out of the cocoon. It can't be helped, out of the cocoon, right.Debi Silber4:55Yeah. And I remember someone telling me also if you were to go over, before it's ready, and just get really close to that cocoon, he would like shake a little as if to say Buzz off, I'm busy at you know, and it shows you transformations are very personal process, people won't like it. They like knowing where you stood, they like knowing what they can get away with, they don't like it when all of a sudden you have something else to say. Ari Gronich5:21So part of the grooves teaches me about the difference between leadership and following. And so we tend to follow our own grooves that we've created. I know when I'm driving in the rain, right, and I see the grooves of water that all the cars have gone through. I always go outside of the grooves, it's a smoother ride, right? It actually is smoother than going inside of the grooves of other people because I'm not being controlled, my steering wheel isn't getting locked into the grooves, right? I'm not being controlled by the grooves as much of other people. So let's talk about what comes out on the other side of all that pain that transformation and struggle goes through. And, yeah, let's just let's go to that.Debi Silber6:17Yeah, you know, it's such an amazing process, when you realize just because that's what other people do doesn't mean it's right for me. And it's when you say Okay, you know what that may have worked for them. But this is my own path here. And I'm, you know, when everything crashes, and burns, I can, I can create whatever path I like. And I didn't even realize I needed to until this crash happened. And now I have that opportunity. So it is. it's such a beautiful space, to create something when I say create something entirely new, I mean, I'm talking a new identity, you take everything you like, about you and about whatever and you leave behind everything that doesn't serve. So that transformation piece is the step by step process of facing your fears and slaying your dragons and dealing with these painful, uncomfortable emotions, and deciding who you want to be at the end of it. You know, there's a version of you so healthy, so healed, so whole, so strong. And when we settle for the old, we never birth the new. Ari Gronich7:40Hmm, I like that. So, as I listen to you, right, I think of what the audience is thinking? What is the audience hearing? What are they? What are they needing right now? And because I think, you know, we basically told people, you're gonna be really, really uncomfortable for a little while. Right? And what's gonna come out on the end of that is, who knows, you get to create it. So let's talk about some modeling. Right? Yeah, for creation that doesn't include the comparison models that we're used to have. I'm comparing what I want and what I'm going to build for myself in this new person. And we're not going to compare to Madonna and to Jay Z, and to Elon Musk, and to all those other people we're going to, we're going to build from scratch. So how do we build from scratch? When all we have our comparisons to go by?Debi Silber8:49Yeah. It's a great question. I think when you cut the comparison it is just the death of your creativity. That's the first thing. The second thing I would say is and listen, I gave birth four times it hurt. But look what you get at the end, right? So yes, we try to avoid this discomfort, you're not going through it for no reason. And I tell everybody in the Institute, this is the hardest, but the most rewarding work you'll ever do. You're not doing this for no reason. You're not doing this just because you want to punish yourself further. You've been through the hardest part of it already. This is the part you owe to yourself. But to find out who you are at your physical, mental, emotional best at your personal professional best. It's gonna take some work. And that's why, you know, people who come into our community, they're like, they realize this is not just like a support group. No, no, you're here to get your job done period. And that those are the only people I attract. But to answer your question, you didn't go through this to model anybody. You did this to discover who you are meant to be the highest and best version of Have you? You know, what, if you without your limiting beliefs without your old habits, without your old rules, with all of that out of the way? Who are you? Who are you? Right? That's what that's what's left to discover. That's what's available to you.Ari Gronich10:19And, and to make that into an adventure rather than another chore. So here's, what I hear, you know, like, from, if I'm looking at clients that I've had patients in the past, right is, holy shit, I already have a job. That's a whole other job. And that's going to take that's even more important than the job that is making me money and sustaining me finding time. So Time, time and organization, time for the work time for regular work time for relaxation, recovery, rejuvenation, self-care, all those things. So let's talk about that. Because there's got to be balance here for the audience, right? There's got to be a way to, for them to go. Okay, I was overwhelmed. And now I'm.Debi Silber11:07Alright. And here's the thing, your changes? They're based on you, you know, do you want those changes to be slow and gradual? Do you want them to be drastic? It's completely up to you as anything you do every action has a behavior thought you have takes you in only one of two directions, further or closer to the body health, life, lifestyle relationships you want? Which way are your actions taking you. So if you're the type that needs a slower, more gradual approach, beautiful, then just do that. It's, it's the people who say, Oh, that's just going to be too much work. Forget it. I mean, if the only reason we do something is because it's easy. What do you really expect, you know, think about anybody who's, who's in really great shape, they're working at it, anybody who has a great relationship, they're working at it, anybody who's great at their job, they're working at it, there are plenty of people who are unwilling to put in the effort in that area. Okay. But then be okay with just okay. If you want something good, it's, it's just gonna take the effort. And, and what I find too, is a lot of people stuck in stage three, it's not that life is so bad. They figured it out. It's okay. You know, it's like, they have their partner comes home at the end of the day, their kids aren't failing in school, they can button their pants, you know what I mean? to them? It's like, but it's okay. Okay, but what about all that they could have, if they were just a little more willing to turn up the heat just a bit.Ari Gronich12:44So that willingness that you're talking about me is part of the trauma and the pain, right. So how does one get past and beyond the two parameters, right? Have you? I am traumatized, and I'm willing to be more traumatized on the way out? So that I could get through? Yeah, but that's a personality that says, Bring it on, right? So how do you develop that personality to bring it on? real transformation brings on. Debi Silber13:25You're not feeling that in the very beginning. Like I said, in the very beginning, getting out of bed, maybe all you can do and that's plenty. And then, you know, you get a little bit stronger and a little bit stronger and a little bit stronger. You're not, you're not fresh out of your betrayal saying, okay, you know, let's take on the world. No, you're not there's too much to process. But willingness is, it's just I love that word. Because with willingness, you will at whatever pace you're you can handle continuously move forward. And it's interesting, too, because in the study, like I said, there were three groups who didn't heal. One group that did not heal was completely unwilling to accept their scenario. They just weren't having it. They were like the people, you know, standing at the lot where their house one said, they're like, Nope, I'm just gonna kick and scream and mourn the loss of my house. They have every right to, but they didn't move. It's the ones who say, I don't know what it's gonna look like, but it's got to be better than this. You know, and so often, you need a little extra incentive. And so, you know, if you have kids, it's a beautiful opportunity. They're watching you, if you don't do it for for you, you do it for them. Like, you know, in my own instance, my kids, my kids saw me and I was like, I wasn't gonna burden them but I wasn't gonna hold you know, like, withhold the truth. They knew the truth. So they they saw mom crash, they were gonna see mom rise. And I said, it's, I have no idea what's gonna show up here. I love you. And I'll do the best I can give me a little bit of a pass. And I didn't know what it was gonna look like, but it's a willingness. You don't have to be all ferocious about it, but just just willing to keep going.Ari Gronich15:09Right. But I like what you just said, as well. Give the warning to the people around you too. Right? He said, People around me, I have had this experience. And it may take me a little while. Let me go beyond that. What did you ask them to do for you? If anything?Debi Silber15:28Yeah, you know, I guess maybe it was a unique scenario, because my husband was actually the one who told my kids. So, you know, I think on some level, they were it was like, Teen Mom there for a while. But I just, I really my only intention. During that time, I really went from like, kids, clients, you know, dogs, crash kids, that was it. And, and I just told them, I'm not working with a full deck here, right now, I'll do the best I can. But don't ever think for a second, this has anything to do with you. And I just, I kept talking to all of them. I mean, any, any parent will know your kids are so different. You can like I have four kids, they couldn't be more different than one another. And they each needed me in their own way. And I would try to be there as best I could, in the way that they needed. But I was very honest. You know, letting them know, I'm, I'm not, I'm not good today. I'm doing the best I can. But it has nothing to do with you.Ari Gronich16:34So for people who are going through betrayal as an acute, right, it's acute, it's not chronic, it hasn't been a long time. It's just really this is Give me like, give the audience kind of your I know, you have the steps that what? Step one, I just got into this experience? Do I share it with people? Do I stay and hide in myself, you know, like. Debi Silber17:09These are the questions that come up, it's so common to protect the betrayer at our own expense, you know, because let's say they're well known, they're well liked the whole family, I don't want to shake the you know, shake things up. So we, you know, there's also so much shame, here we are, we've just been put in a club we never wanted to be and we're so embarrassed, we're so ashamed. We didn't even do this, and we're ashamed. Right. So and then there's the immediacy of, of just life, things that are happening. So it really depends on the person, they need a trusted other. And by that I mean, whether that is the right type of support, you know, a trusted friend, trusted family member. And then they, you know, there are certain things that are more immediate than others, if they're in danger, they need to get out of danger. If they're not sure about any of their finances, they need to figure that out. So you know, that's a priority. If it's just emotional support, that's a priority. Everyone is, is fresh out of their experience needing something, you know, one is different than the next. So it's meeting that initial need, but also, what I find is they need to know, you're not crazy, you're not alone, and you can heal from all of it.Ari Gronich18:23Awesome. What is your suggestion for somebody who has gone through the transformation? They're there at the end of stage five. And they're looking off into the distance, so to speak. Yeah. And anything is possible. Right? They can create their new tomorrow today, they can activate their vision for a better world. Let's talk about those steps. Because I think that those are the steps that sometimes get really lost within the heaviness of those first three.Debi Silber19:10Yeah, yeah. That is such a fun stage, we actually have a level of membership just for that type of person who is at that stage. That's where the fun begins. That's where you create that new body, that new business, that's when you're ready for that new relationship. That's when you're ready for that, you know, all of those things when you are carrying around like this 500-pound boulder of pain, and you put it down, look what's available to you. That's when you strategically, you know, move towards what lights you up. And you may have had no clue what it was until you get to that stage five, but that's when we usually see it in the community so often. That's when someone is a coach, a healer or a doctor therapist, they want to become one of our certified Coaches because they're so excited. It's like, they just want to pass it forward. But others, that's when they write the book, that's when they're committed to this new, you know, this new business idea that they thought was crazy. But now they have the confidence for it, that's when they're ready for that new relationship, they're ready to move, whatever it is, we never know what's gonna show up then. But when you're at that place, that's when you start planning for it. That's where it gets really exciting.Ari Gronich20:26Awesome. What, what do you say is like, the biggest impact not just the individual, but like, let's say your community, we take your community, your, your institute, right. And we extrapolate the impact from your institute, how many people you've seen and how many people they know, and how many people they know, and yada, yada, right? Let's extrapolate this into so that people can get a sense of how powerful they are.Debi Silber20:59Yeah. You know, even when you just look at one person, take one mom, right? Here's this mom, she's been blind, like, Look, at my own experience. I have four kids, right. So when you think about it, here's my experience through healing, that impacts four kids who now have amazing coping skills, because they've seen firsthand what healing looks like, right? Now. Think of the people that each of them know their partners, you see. So that's just one, this is me. So imagine how many how many people between the people that you touch just throughout your day? Where we're, you know, they're like, What? You look good? What anything new, you forget just healed from the most traumatic thing ever. Right? Or how it affects the kids how it affects, you know, a new partner or that same new improved? partner, right? It's endless, the new businesses that are started because of it, the new, it's it, I can go on and on?Ari Gronich22:02Yeah, you know, I look at what it is that I really want in this world, right? You know, I talk a lot about creating a new tomorrow, I talk a lot about health, and science and fixing the systems that are kind of broken. And you know, how people can stop doing behaviors that not only harm themselves, but also harm their community and their family and their people around them. Right? And I look at this one statement, you can't love anybody more than you love yourself. And I always have found, like, felt like that is a false statement. I've always been able to love everyone else more than I've loved myself. Right. And I think that's true about most everybody. And I think that that golden rule is a little bit switched as well. Like, we don't want people to treat us the way we treat ourselves. We want just the way others. You know, treat us.So let's talk a little bit about that. And how we get that internal self-talk, how we get those things. Kind of dialed a little bit down so that we can really truly have that freedom.Debi Silber23:21Yeah, I have a bit of a different perspective. And I guess I see so many. So many people come into the Institute, they're chronic people pleasers. And what they're doing is they're giving love, so that they get love in return. And that's not, it's not sustainable. It's not real. All it does is it's exhausting. But I do believe that we have to love ourselves first. Because if you do, you have so much more to give, you're giving without trying it's oozing out of you. It's a different energy. One is I'm going to give so you give me back. It's a lack of scarcity. And the other is its abundance. And, and everything is energy. And we feel that we feel that. So I feel like whatever work needs to be done, so that we're coming from that really full space, the and it happens when you do this kind of work. It just does. Because you'll like, you know, the version of me from years ago, I was so harsh and so critical and so judgmental. You know, now, I'm like, I really like me, we even have a new rule in the house. And I used to be so hard on myself. And then post betrayal. I decided, you know what, when I do, let's say I always get lost wherever I go, you know, and I used to just criticize myself in whatever. Now anything I do like that. I'm just adorable. And everybody has to say this that I am. You know, it's like, that's the thing and what we're doing is we're giving ourselves some grace, giving ourselves the love that we want. How much better is it when you just give it to yourself? It just he can't help but give it to others. When you do that. Ari Gronich25:01Yeah. I always tell people when I get lost I'm not lost. I'm just adventurous. You know, so yeah, so I appreciate you so much for coming on. Is there anything else you'd like to leave the audience with anything? You know deep dark dirty that they could do today tomorrow and start right now themselves to create that new tomorrow today?Debi Silber25:27Yeah, I would say I mean it really finds out that I have shared the stage, see where you are. And at the very least, get the trust again book but at least you know, or take the quiz. Take the quiz to see to what extent you're struggling. They can just find that at the PBT Institute. com forward slash quiz. But don't stay stuck. Don't stay stuck. You owe it to yourself. You owe it to yourself to heal. And I promise you you're going to be blown away by who you meet on the other side.Ari Gronich25:57Awesome. Thank you so much for being here. It's been a great episode. I think we have a lot of good information, a lot of takeaways for the audience. And just want to say thank you again, so much for coming on, and providing so much wisdom for the audience. This is Yeah, this has been another episode of creating a new tomorrow. I'm your host, our Ari Gronich. I love these conversations that get dark and dirty and deep and help you guys with tips and tricks to change your life and your future and the future of our children. So anyway, thank you so much for being here and we are out. I'll see you next time.

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Tracy Lamourie Founder LAMOURIE MEDIA an Award Winning Publicist has been featured in Rolling Stone, NBC, CBC, HuffPost and here with us today to talk about how Self confidence can lead to success. Ari Gronich0:03Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host Ari Gronich. And today I have with me Tracy Lamourie. Tracy is a PR expert who I'm going to not even read her like her normal intro, I'm gonna let her tell you about it. But this woman made her career by taking about 20 years or so of her life, and setting free an innocent man who was on death row. So hey, you know, I'm gonna let her tell you a little bit about that story. And then we'll get into an awesome conversation that hopefully will help you create a new tomorrow for yourself, activate your vision for a better world, do something big in your life, like Tracy has. So Tracy, let's uh, let's get into it. Tell us a little bit about you.TLTracy Lamourie0:47Hi, there. So yeah, I'm based in Canada, I'm Canadian girl working usually internationally around the world, when it's not the middle of COVID. We're on the other side of that level. So our borders are a little slow and opening up. So I've been here, no basement doing my magic. So I'm an international award winning publicist, working across borders and across industries. And for people who don't really know what that is, is basically getting people in the news getting people elevating their profile, whether they're entrepreneurs, executives, musicians, creatives, authors, all that. But this just happened for me because of a natural kind of, I should never say natural. But what I started doing it for 20 years, I ended up here. And so all the VIP parties and all the travel and all the super cool, amazing things that go with being a publicist, were in my original plan, I was originally an activist in my 20s with my husband, Dave, Markinson, married 26 years now we've done all this together, starting with a little radio show in Toronto a long, long time ago to college radio. And then when that was no more was the early days of the internet, we still wanted to have a voice, you know, to change the world, to, you know, make things more equal, like you know, all those things that you're passionate about in your 20s. But I'm still passionate about today. And we found out just in a little curved corner of the early into the early interwebs. About a man named Jimmy Dennis would aid for this little add on line. And he's with being a I'm on death row. I'm not looking for a pen pal, I'm not looking for a girlfriend. Because a lot of those preserving unpolished Western, I'm innocent, and I need help. So my husband and I, we wouldn't be like I want it to be. And if people asked us what made you actually write, we actually wrote a letter we wrote to him and said to tell us more. And I think partly because obviously we were activists, but also we had that radio show not long before, we were still in that information gathering. And so we put pen to paper and we said tell us about it. And we wrote a letter into death row. And he wrote back with a 28 when we were 28 years old, and he was 27. Even back with a 28 page letter on both sides. And all the legal documents that was in the cell breaking down the hope is that there was no brochures or pamphlets or websites or anything. And we got this and what do we do? People said Don't you know, how did you? Why did you do what you did? But again, why don't we write that letter? We wrote the letter. And then once we did, here's a person who wrote back, you know, 28 pages, who's clearly desperate and needs help. So what do you do with that? You just say it was a fun read, you know? So obviously we like, Oh, well, gee, what are we like? We have to do something about it. We had no money we had no, I wasn't a publicist, we certainly weren't lawyers. But we thought, Well, if we're this upset, reading just this much, you know, maybe we can put it on these interwebs and somebody who has the ability, somebody who has money, maybe somebody will buy a lawyer as we originally thought. So we started doing that. And ultimately, we ended up being disturbed by the death penalty in general in America through looking at that case. So there we were 28 years old. This is how I learned to write a press release. I literally went to the AltaVista precursor to Google and learn you know, for immediate release out of right that it was really hard to get attention for a case that was you know, someone was still convicted in America and in those days it was before making a murderer or was before all the wrongful conviction, serial and all those podcasts before all that so we had the internet we had the you know, email and everything but it wasn't easy. So the way that we decided to address that because it's like we were little mini publicist before we even knew PR was well if we talked about the death penalty in general as opposed to just this case and use this case as an example then maybe we'll get a more media. So we did that. We wrote up press releases for immediate release. And literally there were 28, 29 years old on CNN again we have no legal experience no PR experience not very much Media Group. And then we were on CNN on MSNBC on port TV on panel. With lawyers being interviewed by Katherine Grier, by Nancy Grace, by lay Oh my god. So it will took another 11 or 12 years, that was just, you know, not for profit, volunteer. By the way, Jimmy Dennis was freed in 29th 2017, we talk almost every day in these amazing things going on with him. He's an R&B artist now. So that's when your listeners should check that out, because the whole other story, but, you know, in terms of it another 11 years before I thought, Hey, hold on a second, because I was just in telesales, I could probably, you know, not have a life I hate, I could probably not to sit here doing sales reps were like, the skills that I built, dealing with media are actually valuable skills. And then I thought, that's my thought, like the transition and you know, help people who don't understand how to get into media, get into media, and that's when I was 41, 10 years ago, it became a business.AGAri Gronich5:55Nice. So I'm going to unpack this a little bit. Am a unpack for you a little bit. So first of all, you know, I love this story, because it reminds me of one of my favorite stories, which is the story of Hurricane Carter. And I don't know what it is about you Canadians coming down here thinking you're going to save, you know, all the American people, but I do. I mean, I appreciate the thought, you know, it's just, it's funny to me that, exactly, exactly. But here's the question, what is it that Canada breeds into the people that makes them say, Go read it, you know, say a book of Hurricane Carter's or a little post on a little website on a brand-new thing called the inter-webs, with Bolton board services. I mean, what it wasn't like you had google it was bulletin boards and things. I mean, what made what is it that makes you do that? And that's anybody I'm joking about the Canada America?TLTracy Lamourie7:05Well, I think what I always say to that, because I mean, you can't tell the story, I know when other sounding heroic and epic and all that stuff, right. And so I always bring dial that back because I'm not heroic or epic more than anybody else's. And this is where I say that like, even though I did that thing, right? I think that more people would do stuff like that all the time. Canadians, Americans, whoever, everybody would, instead of watching Netflix, whatever, if, if, if they actually believed they could, but people don't think how do you know, maybe I was we were naive. We were a bit when I was that kid. In hurricane you, I was privileged to meet Ruben several times, towards the end of his life, he moved to Canada, right. And so and I didn't even TV, that connection in those days about how the Canadian like, I didn't even see that even though we were watching the movie and stuff. But I think more it's a matter of feeling empowered, you know, whether you're too dumb to know, you can't make a difference or feel that you know, you can, because you've been you've done it before in other rounds. That's what I think it all comes down to self-belief and that, you know, and not like, Hey, I can do this. But to think we'll wait, you know, I can do my little part, I can take a step I can make the difference. If I do this, maybe somebody else to pick it up and do this. I never thought at 28 years old, I was going to be able to free that guy from death row. But I kind of did. I kind of did think so I thought that the world would free and I thought if we if we made it known, if we did our little part, which was words, people would find out and then it didn't go quite that way. Because a lot of opposition, they don't want to be bound up. They don't really want unraveled the truth once you start, you know, but so there's a lot bit it was a bigger beast than we thought. Right? We thought we just have to pointed out and then we were fighting a bigger battle that we even knew we were. So those things intimidate people and you don't feel like you can make a difference, right? But same reason people don't start a business or they dream of going to travel but they never do it. It's because they ultimately thought that they don't see themselves doing it. It's easy, easier to not do it. You know what I mean? Like it's not, it's just because I'm better. I was dumb enough or like hubris enough where to be like, you know what we can do we can do here and then you see that you can make a difference. And as you do those things, you're like, Whoa, look what we just did. And that gives you the confidence and the whatever to keep doing it.AGAri Gronich9:24Yeah, absolutely. Um, I was gonna ask you how being an activism how being an activist is akin to capitalism. Because I think that a lot of people think that they're opposing forces. And I think that they're marriable, right, that they have that the two things go together really well. Doing good, makes a lot of money when done right kind of thing. And so you've been able to in your career pivot from activism into capitalism a bit. And that was, the next thing I wanted to unpack with you is that transition, you started it with belief in self. And I just want to, like, I want to emphasize that for people right, you have to do the work on yourself. So that you have belief in yourself so that you have blind faith, that what you are doing is going to make a difference in the world. And so I just wanted to emphasize that and then have you unpacked in it. TLTracy Lamourie10:37Once you do that, you do it, right, because you're when you're like, Okay, I can do that. Why wouldn't you I really, truly believe that people, you know, people are good, like I am, Frank said, I still believe good in people. And it's true. You know, most people will help you know, if there's someone in front of them that starving, you're gonna give them a sandwich, most people that are you know, they're going to, so it's just that they don't feel like they have the power to make an impact. So we don't even try to make an impact. And that's the same as in our own personal lives and doing these other benefit ourselves as it is, you know, why don't more people be the starving children or help this whatever. So I always say that because like, it's hugely epic, you know what I mean? Like, I know, you can't, like how can you tell that story without and people want to applaud you and be like, awesome. Oh, my God, you thought that I was gonna know. But the point of it, the whole point of it is not the applauded point of it is for you guys to realize this dumb ass girl with no, I'm a brilliant blah, blah, blah, strategic publicist, you can see my list of you know, whatever behind me and my alarm, right. But when I was 20s, you know, there, I'm just basic yo with the red hair. When I said to myself do what can I do? I don't have any money. I don't have any. But doesn't matter. I had the passion. And I had this, you know, an out of that, look, I built this. I never even met you. Now this weird rear is developed, which I you know, wow. You know. But again, it took a long time for me to think of that. Yeah, that was part of the strategic this. It wasn't like I went from that goal of not button this high profile, I'm not going to turn it into money. We were doing that for like, it was like a decade after we did TV that I was still doing all the sales, still doing all that we just really focused on getting a better death row. And then it wasn't until like, a couple years before we got out when we realized, yeah, it's happening. That's like, wait a minute, when they literally booked to make another phone call for my crappy job. And I'm thinking I wish I could remember what I was thinking the minute before that, like, clearly remember that Revelation where I'm like, wait, wait, wait, I think that's the publicist. I'm not doing this anymore. And then from that moment, I literally went and looked into how can I get freelance work as publicist, because I have this history of doing that I get paid. I wish remember what I was gonna, what I was thinking the moment before that. AGAri Gronich12:48You're probably thinking, I've got to make another call. It's the breath at the end. You know, nobody can see the breath on the audio. But if you're watching the YouTube, you can see the breath, right? alright. You know, it's funny, I, you know, the revelation moment. I know, for me, being a healer, being in my industry was I was dead. And then I woke up in a hospital and I sat up and I said, I think I need to be a healer. Right. That was my, it was a pretty freakin' clear revelation moment. But I have no idea what was happening in my head before that.TLTracy Lamourie13:39I really wish because I mean, so clearly, I remember that going. Nowhere. And from that moment where I remember it is I didn't make another call. I might have made one more call, by the way. I remember it is I was like, Oh, yeah, no, no, I started searching. And I found Elance. That's how I first started Upwork. Now, I first started, I used to get flipper lines on that until I just started getting transitioning to your LinkedIn. But yeah, so from what I remember, is that literally with no, I'm not doing that anymore. And then was and then I was like, I think they call that a publicist. Okay. Now I'm a publicist. And then pretty quickly, I got a client and one of them was there, like I think I told you before, Angela Sadler Williamson when Rosa Parks cousin. Who wrote the book, like, oh, sorry, that movie, my life is rosy for adults, which is on amazon prime. And this week, was like nominate was nominee, whatever it is, for me. And that was my first you know, one of my first proceed and that's when I was like, Okay, I guess I'm in the game. You know, me. AGAri Gronich14:43So, here's something. You've been saying. I want to unpack that too, is you thought of it and then you did it. Right. You, you thought of it and then you started doing actions. You thought I can do this. And then you started making actions towards it. A lot of people think I could do something, I have this great idea. I wanted to do this, oh, man, I saw that I created this thing I'm seeing out now I created that 10 years ago. Why didn't I do it? Why didn't I do it? So all of those things, you know, go through my mind when I hear you saying, well, I just did this. And then, and then I started writing. And then I went on to Upwork, or, you know, Elance, and I put my ad out, and then I, these are all action steps that you're doing. Right? So people like, I used to get really upset at the law of attraction, because I felt like they missed this step, the action step. And so people were like, “Well, I made my vision board. And nothing.”TLTracy Lamourie15:47Such way I always say you can do all that then act in a chord.AGAri Gronich15:59Act in accord. Exactly. So this is where, where the thing you want to do becomes live becomes alive right. So let's.TLTracy Lamourie16:09How I know how people say fake it till you make it. I hate that because I'm very genuine. I don't like fake it till you make it as this wrong message. But I get what they're trying to say with that. And so what I would I say with that is from the Rocky Horror Picture Show, which is don't dream it, be it? Have you ever heard anybody talk about Rocky Horror Picture Show in a business? Because you know, I can't afford No, but seriously, it's just a life lesson. But I always love that don't dream it be it. So it's the same as I get you know, it's the saying. If you want to make it you don't fake it till you make it. Be it. Started it, do it. Take a step. Now you're in, you want to write a book, don't just think about write a page. Oh, look at me writing. Now you're ready. You know what I need? Like me? Well, I took that step. I made that freelance or whatever upward page. And then I you know, put myself out there. And then I got a reply. And oh my god, I got that one client, that one like I got and just started Williamson. And actually a Kennedy person, one of the crazy, one of my first client on Upwork. Back then, which is not even touched now was like a member of Academy can remember that story of the Kennedy, brother or cousin or somebody that had murdered the girl in Connecticut in the 70s. As about 10 years ago, there was something going on with the legal situation. And because of my history and the death penalty stuff, right? When I had my contract there, they saw that until we were looking for somebody to write the words for a web page for Michael's Skakel. So I worked and it was Kennedy family member and I've you know, ever the name right now. But it was legit, on Upwork and great. People are on that Upwork by the way. Like, I mean, I've literally got Rosa Parks cousin and the Kennedy hired me on that. And so that was just like a little short project at the time. Like it was like a what? But I mean, you know, so then I'm like, Okay, hold on. You can do it. That was not easy. I was a freelancer. I didn't even have all these accolades. I had, I was good at what I guess I did plan on the history of what I'd done for the, you know, I had been on CNN, media messaging and got us on CNN. It wasn't just like it was pointed successes. But still, that's very quickly on to your point. And I said, I was gonna do it. I went on there and did it. All of a sudden, I worked with Rosa Parks cousin, Emma Kennedy.AGAri Gronich18:24Crazy, isn't it? Yeah, well, just do it. I go back to the risky business, you know, movie, and the line that Tom Cruise is famous for saying, which is every now and then you just gotta say what the fuck. Do it? And you know, it's funny, because here's what here's what the audience is. Forget, you know, not hearing right. Is that the thing that's stopping us from just doing it? There is a thing that is an actual thing stopping us from doing stuff. Right. Now I call it trauma. And then the resulting behaviors and automatic patterns because of the trauma, fear, you know, distrust, not feeling good enough, not feeling worthy, all those kinds of things. Right. Sounds to me, like you act beyond fear, right? In some level, even though you're experiencing it, possibly. So how did you get to a place where you could act despite maybe the fears and the traumas and the things that were possibly coming your way? Because a lot of what people want to do these days is go up against the systems like I do, go up against the systems as they are. This is going to spark a lot of their fear barrier, right from just doing it. So why don't we talk a little bit about that?TLTracy Lamourie20:09Yeah, I don't know if I have a perfect answer for that. That's a really good question. I think I'm, you know, trying to think as you asked, where, when I started being like that, but I think about I mean, I've always been, it's funny, I think back to the conversation I had when I was 15, and my best friend, Jennifer, and we, cuz I was gonna say, I've always been super confident. But at the same time, I've always been like, anybody not confident I was, you know, the fat, fat girl, you know? So with all of that, that's, you know, I always see that now. But I never want to even use those words here a couple years ago, because I was so like, if I don't say anything, maybe nobody will notice. You know, it was, like, if I would come up with a TV show, I leave the room because I didn't even look at it. You know what I mean? It goes, so that shows you I was hugely unconfident about that in my presence in a room and all that. And yet, in spite of that, even at 15, I was like, yeah, whatever, you know. So I remember a conversation, my friend about this kind of thing at 15, which teenagers are more, you know, smarter than you think they are really resonant and smart to me Even now, right? I don't remember when Jennifer or me that said this, but when we were talking about this, you know, in the conversation, and we were talking about how like, we're insecure, she was like, mean that we were insecure, we know, we're secure in our insecurities, like, you know, whatever. Like, I don't care and in some way, you know what I mean? Like, like, Is it because maybe because of that, you know, thinking people are gonna judge me, whatever. And we see time I'm smart, and strategic and whatever. And that the confidence was inquisitive, confidence, or lack of confidence. And let me say, Oh, I don't care anyway. I'm just gonna do it. You know what I'm saying? Was that super confident? Or was it that I wasn't confident? I figured that they, you know, I wouldn't be accepted or wouldn't be like them, I wouldn't be where I couldn't be the pretty blonde girl, like, you know, anyway, so whatever. So this is what you get. And then I became super confident than that. And that's been everything because like, like, people who knew me back then, when I say, I wasn't confident as a teenager, they're like, oh, if I say I was shy as a teenager, like, you were never shy. I'm like really, Oh, that's interesting. So it's like, I think I always just, you know, whether it was natural to me at the time, or whether it became natural, because now it's super natural born and even, whatever, I don't care, you know, and that is a free and you know, it's funny, I read recently, a 50 Click way after this is my personality in Psychology Today, not long ago, or maybe it was the New Yorker, but it was something and it was it was saying that there was a point you know, like, it's almost like you know, that old What are they used to call people? like they would say they're not neurotic. Eccentric. AGAri Gronich22:49Eccentric. Okay. Right. Well, they only said that about the wealthy people.TLTracy Lamourie22:54I was just gonna say that when you add a certain level, whether it was wealth meal days, or even now I would like now it could be in your socials or your that what? social welfare, the credit, whatever, your that all of a sudden, what looks weird. Oh, like when you walk, when I'm 21 walking, run off the crazy red air, how she thinks she's gonna get hired, you know, whenever a little girl go, what looks weird, then, when you got this credibility behind you and you're able to, even if they don't know that, at that certain point, they start to think, Oh, Jesus, that person who carries them stuff like that with that confidence. But that's like, my husband's got crazy, long curly hair, like a rock star, right? And then I got the bright red. Here we go places where people don't even know about, like, they don't know why the publishers they don't know whenever. And they're looking at us. And we walk in the room. And it's funny, because I guess because it But the interesting thing is we carry ourselves now the following combination of the crazy Look, the red hair and the curly hair. But now that we're 50 and have all this stuff behind us, even if you don't know that we carry ourselves with a confidence that you know, you wouldn't maybe expect from the crazy red haired girl or the guy with the curly hair. Right? So that right there has, I think, happens all the time that we're like, that's so weird. Like, they don't know what we do. They don't know about Hollywood, they don't know. We just literally walk somewhere and like some rubbing be like, Oh, you guys, what do you do? We're like, we have that vibe now. Like, I don't understand. But I think that's what it is. Because we look up. We don't look at the average 50 year olds. So clearly, and we're clearly not bums. So then clearly you're somebody because otherwise why would you just have a suit and tie and look like you know what I mean? So it's a weird, like, backslash.AGAri Gronich24:34I think 60 something years old is the age of I don't give a shit. Right. But I mean, in just in general amongst the crowd, like, they'll, you know, I hear them talking, so to speak, and they're whispering Oh, yeah, I could toot in public now. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's like the age where just Ah, Let it all you know.TLTracy Lamourie25:02Maybe just a confidence thing when you realize no you know what all that was just stupid with me sitting there worrying about everybody. Maybe you finally realize what I tell people what just stop being so stressed out when you walk into the room you think that everybody in the room is thinking about a little Oh, you Well, that's a lot of arrogance and clapping. Am not arrogant. Sure you are! People sure you are you just think that everybody's thinking about you, you know, realize that everybody's roosting with their own crap their own worry their own, you know? And if there's some asshole, and they're just thinking about tearing you down, then that's good to know that you don't want to deal with them. Anyway, that's Thanks for letting me know about you what you like.AGAri Gronich25:35Right. So deconstructing the societal norms is one of the things I wanted to talk to you about. So I don't, I didn't tell you any of this stuff on our pre interview because I wanted you to go. Alright. Okay, so deconstructing social norms, because here's the thing. There's this guy is in your industry way, way, way long before you were. He's called the father of spin, Doctor Bernays. He was the cousin to Freud. And he's the guy who created propaganda. Okay. Yeah, he created propaganda. In general, he was the guy that created mindcom after. And like said, his psychology was his cousin was Freud. And he basically said that people are sheep and there's a select few that know what the people need and then the publicity and advertising industry was born, to tell people what it was that they needed to direct them in to a direction like sheep, right. So that was the father of your industry. As publicist. There's a lot of manipulation of people's societal norms. So I want to know how we can manipulate people societal norms, so that they are fearless in the face of fear so that they act beyond their belief maybe in themselves, like you did. So I just wanted to like, surprise you. It's a little.TLTracy Lamourie27:14No, I think that's true. And I'm glad you mention that, because I always think I always love that kind of PR. I do needs PR. Because it's true when you say PR, even me when I say when you say public relations. Like that's my call my when I rebranded incorporated, my company was called the Maury PR and media, which was originally my PR and marketing when it started with Kimbo marketing. And I was like, oh, what if I don't get that PR club, but I never even did any marketing. So when I was incorporated, I change it to Lemori media, because there was like, Well, you know, I never went public relations. And so you know, and also we're media content creation company, and we're gonna be doing more of that, but also public relations, I think it's a bad fit. Because when you think about it, you think about like, the Spin Doctors., the guy that stand up in front of, you know, for politicians, or whenever, or for a company that's done something wrong, or they you know, had a big bad media thing,AGAri Gronich28:16O you know, the president of secretaries or, you know.TLTracy Lamourie28:21With the language or you know, immediate or like, maybe non various example, click on TV, it would be like a public health campaign, you know, where they need to get much information out to where that is the situation where you're talking about, they specifically want people to act in a certain way. So they're putting up a news, ask, you know, like, what you see with COVID is a perfect example.AGAri Gronich28:46I didn't, I didn't say anything about COVID at all. TLTracy Lamourie28:49And I don't like to go into that either. Because I'm not even I don't have a strong opinion about it, because I like to have a need to please what I know a lot.AGAri Gronich28:55Yeah. And I like having my YouTube channel. TLTracy Lamourie28:58You know, so, no, yeah. And I'm not even going either direction on me personally, I have it. Because, again, in general about the world, I like to know a lot of things before I start spouting off, I like to really be confident, and when it comes to all that I have not coffee, I don't know anything on either side. But just strictly as an example of not what would that would be true, not none of that just like, you know, or let's make up let's not call it COVID. Let's say there's a public health be, you know, a public health emergency. See, everybody's gonna This is gonna happen if people do that, you know, so they want to get into massive information or something like that. Yeah. But what are the what I reinvented for the PR school, I didn't even meet a publicist till recently. I never read a book on PR. I started messaging to get the word out about that one. So to me what I have done in my career, what I call PR with, you know, in the services that I provide for my clients, I don't you know, it's funny because LA clients intimidating fire, their Hollywood publicist, for me on whether to work together like this. You do things that no other publicist does. And I'm not saying that you say I'm better because I invented this in my head, you know what I mean? I didn't go to school and learn with the perimeters of what a publicist does for their client is, to me if your public image, it's always what I would do for myself. I want to get you an award shows I want to get you needy, I want to get your message out there, right. So I call it I do elevating and celebrating some PR, good PR spin day. But actually, that literally came out of me in a podcast, we were having a conversation like this. So podcasting was like I'm really wanted you to know, I normally wouldn't have otherwise gone, because my show is all about the jet. But I really liked your vibe, and I listened. He was just he was saying the same thing. And I was like, but really, it's more about elevating everything. I just talked about that. But that's true. That's what I like people already doing amazing things, whether they're creatives, whether they're entrepreneurs, whether they may not even realize how amazing the things they're doing are and I'm like, why aren't you getting quoted about that? Why are you so literally my job is what I do is I find people writers who deserve to be heard and find ways to get them heard people that aren't looking at and I find ways to break that barrier for them so that they can we can get into media. I wasn't surprised I used to be a punk Ari, but you know, Jello Biafra. You know, from Dead Kennedys? No punk days. Oh, my God. Kennedy's came up twice in this conversation. What's?AGAri Gronich31:26In there all the dead Dead Kennedys, the dead and the Dead Kennedys,TLTracy Lamourie31:30Right in. Jello Biafra said if you don't like the mean, don't hate the media become the media in the 80s. They rave for all this? And I was like, yeah, so I am the media. We are all the media. In some ways. That's the problem these days. Because, you know, some people are just starting off and whenever That's it, but but you know, in through the mainstream media, what I find is that, like, I stay away from that stuff, specifically, because I don't like to work. You know, when I used to be a township, Politico, because I was an optimist. I thought, you know, I'm passionate about something that I thought were gonna change things, I would use my skills for politics, in the days before I was getting paid for stuff. Now, I really don't want you and I won't say never, because maybe somebody will follow me, I will. They'll convince me that they're God's greatest gift to you know, activists, and they really do mean, but I like to stay away from politics, not because people are bad, because the system is so corrupt, there's an even though you know, the best person going into that shitstorm, they're not going to be able to do what they want to do, they're not going to be able to so it's very, I don't want to sell my professional reputation. But I'm an activist, and I came from this, you know what I mean, I didn't come from, like, I want to always, I want the activist that I was in my 20s to always be proud of this corporate chick in my 50s. Like he said, at the beginning that different you know, I even recently I came from that mindset, I still have to convince myself sometimes I get Oh, yeah, it's funny our people we have doesn't mean your evil hate. Because it's true. Like the corporate is always like, you know, Mr. Burns on The Simpsons, or whenever in a dark, it's always you know, that. So as an activist, you think anybody in business, clearly, they're just money oriented. They don't care about all this stuff. It's almost been a revelation continues to be revolutionary, as I am, you know, higher and higher in business, and my circles and wider and wider, more people with money, you're in my circle, and more big people with bigger money and all that. And then I tell my story of podcasters are a huge, huge, you know, corporate business guys. And they're like, almost crying during them as well, if you actually do care, but they weren't listening before. How can they listen? So now I'm like, now I'm at a place. So I learned so much doing this, you know, like, what stuff you said, to the perceptions that were wrong about you what they thought was wrong, but actually what I thought was wrong with people. So really, we are all really confused about each other and our motivations, whether it comes to like, the right and the left and you know, people I think are bad because I'm a hardcore anti race, that would not have been my table and all that. Even though I have to remind myself people are people and they're not always working on the same motivation that we think they're working on to them. It's like you said fear, or misunderstanding or whatever. And if you prefer and break those things down, so that since it is important to break things, into the PR, like, truth, it's communication, people management, for sure. It's contacts, communication, and people management, for sure. But I don't look at it as a fairies. We have not tried to find ways to convince people of things that are true. I do try to find ways to convince to use my words that people can hear what I'm saying. different audiences can understand what I'm saying and hear me without their own barriers going up before they can even hear me,AGAri Gronich34:46Right? No, I guess what I was what I was getting at was not selling you or your profession. What I was saying is totally what I was saying is, is how do we get the profession in general, because a lot of people, obviously they don't trust the media these days. And so how do we get the profession in general? To understand that truth messaging is as powerful if not more powerful than fake media and false messaging? And how do we get the people to understand what the differences are, when we clearly have a complete lack of cognitive dissonance right now, or critical thinking and be able to understand that nation? So, you know, how do we bring people back to a place where they can really, truly know what's real, so that they can act on it so that they can feel like they can do something so that they have the faith and the confidence and all those things that we've been talking about beforehand? Right. Yeah, I'm leaving it all together. How do we bridge those gaps? These are the conversations I at least want to have in general, and have you have with all of your media people, right? How do we do that as a community of media people so that we can really change the industry together.TLTracy Lamourie36:19Out of people think I mean, number one, I mean, you know, honestly, it's you that cognitive dissonance is so true. It's hard, maybe hard for people to do, but you have to really understand like, well, no matter when you hear information, who is giving me this, like, where is this information coming from? Who is giving me this information? And why do they want me to believe it must be someone who benefits from me believing this? You know, like, honestly, I asked him stuff, like when I watch everything, like even if, because something might sound good. If it fits your mindset, if it fits your belief system and fits your whatever, then you're going to want to believe it. Whatever you hear whatever information like that's nasty, but that guy's gonna always question question everything I swear button as, as a little punk rocker. That's a question authority. And I still, you know, say that question everything, question all the information, question the information I give you do it because you should be questioning all information. You know, who benefits from this? Well, you know, Tracy's quiet better than me hearing but then that's not nefarious, or whatever, you know, but ask yourself, Is there you know, who benefits from this? And is there another side to it? Always question your own thinking. Edit your own thinking, make sure to read other stuff. That's the number one way I read everything. I read the right way. I wait. I mean, I'm a lefty, obviously, even though I always say a bird Can't I mean, in terms of I, you know, most of the things that you would line them up with agreement, but not always. I mean, like, I'm not a radical on anything. A bird can't fly with only one wing. You ever noticed there was huge bird tried to fly? So like, really? I'm not a lefty or righty. I like I'm an ideas, girl. I'm tired of all this. Like, what side of you? And I've got ideas? I don't know, let's talk about the specific thing we're talking about. It's all here. Both ideas that maybe well..AGAri Gronich38:09This is part of why I like having you on because I so agree. This is what I talk about so often is critically think each individual issue each individual thing in your life, in your business, in your politics in your community. It's like ask good questionsTLTracy Lamourie38:30Of yourself. Hey, why am I Why do I believe that? Why is it because all my friends say that? Oh, well, you know what? Look, honestly, like I literally read every everything that Sports Illustrated, I read them. Like, there was all the mainstream stuff, right? And I watched whatever. And then I read if I can get my hands on some crazy left-wing stuff on Wait, like, I mean, radical, crazy, right wing stuff. I'll read it. And I'm shaking my head at both. You know, and I you know what I'm saying? So like, I understand that I'm reading what people are saying, I'm hearing, not just the argument of people that think my way. But all that I'm like, Yeah, yeah, like, you know, you don't I'm saying so that way. I'm not not because I think I'm gonna even be convinced. But just if you don't understand the way people are thinking, and this isn't just so that I can do the messaging. This is so that I can be discipline activist me, because he are me developed out of activists, me and we would shouting me and my husband, Dave, which I like men, we were in fact, we've begun back in our 20s. You know, we started a campaign because we were basically worked out we wanted to bring in a union. We didn't know any unions. We weren't radicalism that we just didn't meet them. We were being treated at work. One girl said, Hey, I think you can go to any union. We were like, really? Let's look. Let's look that up. And we looked it up. We made a couple of calls. And then all of a sudden, we were in the Globe and Mail Canada's biggest, you know, financial paper at once. Before this, he said to me before, it's definitely I forget this stuff. At 25, 26 years old, me and my husband and one girl. We unionize the first call center in Canada and that what again We were not like big union activists. We were just doing whatever, you know. So with of always a matter of like, you know, oh yeah, why start bringing that up, we were always really good to be we're not mess, you know, like we were publicists, but uh, 25 years old, we, you know, the company was trying to silence and talk about new needs. So they came in bought everybody pizza one day. So we wrote it literally, we weren't a marketing, but I look back on our really good PR piece. It's what the union will give you more than just pizza. And then it had a whole big thing breakdown. We went with a 99%, both the union, which I wasn't even a part of right. Never seen a vote like that week, because we again, we did the work. We called all of our fellow workers, if you have any questions, call us. We put the time in, we care, you know what I mean? But it was really good. When I look back on it. After 20 years of doing this, I couldn't have done a better campaign now than I did as a dumb as 24 year old activist, because we were just, it was the same thing. It was just messaging to see what the situation was really believing in it right? And say, we're going to tell people and we're going to tell people in a way they can hear it within, you know, and that's what it all is. So, buddy with his 90 the only thing I think the guy that you're talking about, the only thing I admire about him is funny. I read about it in the New Yorker, it was hilarious. They said he was in his 90s I believe it's the same guy because they said he was the father of PR. And they mentioned that he worked for like, Come, you know, countries, right? And they said he was in his 90s he still went to work in his office in New York City, like literally every day, you know, and they would tell him, it's like, it was some crazy thing. Right? And I was reading it going. Yeah. He's a publicist. So that was the only thing. I felt like at a residence there. I was like, yeah, I'll be juniors at 108. But we do. But other than that, yeah. So I don't agree. You know, I, I don't think that's like, I don't believe in STEM. I certainly don't, I did not know that things are mine clump. That's really informative and interesting. Because Yeah, there is definitely a dark side, which is called, you know, that was used to be called dark PR. And I'm sure a lot of you actively do that. And that's what they do with politics and everything where all they're trying to do is dig, you know, that hole, dig up the right key and digging all that stuff up. And I don't want to be part of that.AGAri Gronich0:26Right. And that's literally I guess, what is going on right now, at least in the US. I don't know about how the news looks in other countries at this moment. I know how it looked like in 2004. During the elections, when I was in Greece, I could see the news and the differences between what's being aired on us TV versus Greek TV at the time. But I know in the US this massive thing about fake news, and we just don't really know what is true and what's not true anymore. And all the resources to you know, you Google something, and you get a completely different set of answers. And you do if you Yahoo something? Or if you do something, and it's like, okay, who's pushing which agenda? And is there? Is there any kind of, you know, independent search that doesn't the preconceived algorithm to send you to where they want to send you.TLTracy Lamourie1:28That's interesting, too, because even the more when you search, you know, Google knows your search history too, right? like Facebook, they give you which is so we're getting in this weirder weirder, like the circle for who knows? How can you find like it's getting worse and worse. And in five years public is even worse. Because Where are we hearing only are like those echo chambers, echo chambers, right. And then there's those new social media platforms, people who've been kicked it off the Twitter and Facebook and whatever. And they're super echo chambers, where like, it's only so odd. It's like, it's all it's, all of a sudden, everyone around you is talking about whatever, you know, in a certain way, that starts to seem like your reality. It's a cults work. That's how governments work when you're in a government not even meaning do, but you're in a government. And that's what I call everything in cult, because I understand the way your mind works, I call the political parties that I used to be in a cult, you know, the NDP, which is the lefty lefty party, and I left them because I was like, you know, what, even introduce both of you to one of social and I'm not listening to the roll like this, you know, there's supposed to be the one of social justice bla bla bla, in line with all the people that are like me, you care about this, that the other, when it comes down to it, it is an entity in a party, and it's working inside and out. Part of what it does is Jake just itself, we're activists, we're always on those issues, looking for a partner that's going to help locals political parties aren't ever because they can't be there. Once you get in there. There's all these different other things going on. As people whenever around us sounds good. You know, like, you know, you relate to the people around you, you start to like, so then those other people, they go, Oh, those people are crazy. They don't mean Well, you're not realizing you just see in your little part of the elephant, like those activities seem they're part of the elephant, or the finance people sitting there part, thinking everyone else is crazy. But this within all of it, maybe. But in terms of the media, oh god, I don't even know just so much. The fake news thing is, like this expression, fake news is just so annoying, because I mean, like everything, anybody can call anything that now, no, but at the same time, it's true. Like they're there that that did address originally the you know, propaganda side of news. So yeah, you know, it's a shit show now.AGAri Gronich3:34It's really fun, it's really entertaining, but not if you actually want to know something about what's happening in the world. And I think that was the point is when the deregulation happened, and they started making news for profit. It used to have to be the only it was that had to be not for profit division of a corporation to deliver the news, and then they deregulated it. And they allowed for a 24-hour news cycle that had advertising and all of a sudden, and that's the news. At least as far as Walter Cronkite. I think.TLTracy Lamourie4:15That trusted that's true, and there used to be a clear, like a deli-a-nation like 100% between the editorial and advertorial where like an editor would shoot themselves in the head before they let any advertorial content come like 100% but now that's actually changed even like I'm still shocking even in new in newspapers even were like, and to their great regret. Like I've talked to business press, for example, where they're like, Oh, my God traced, but the editors and financial posters that were there like, that's a great story. I myself have 18 spoolie 18 stories. I'm editor to financial 18 business stories, I want to quit. My business press has been you know, cut from like, six pages 10 pages two to three to two and Half ages One, two, only with one and a half of the editorial content going to people who placed ads, and I was like, Oh my god, and that's in a newspaper, oh my God. And he was like, just telling me this truth. Right? And I was like, because you see some of that, like, I guess the reality of the newsroom now, like economic, you know, crazy. But that's the kind of thing that ruins like that, you know, you used to be like, you come to me for like earned media, there is no like, I don't you pay to play. I don't put quite when you pay me, you don't pay it, I don't come to you later and say, pay to get into this, that's advertised. Right? I find opportunities where you are respected source, and you're quoted as an expert source. And that's why it's valuable. Because it's not advertising because you can't buy your way into that it's me presenting, you know, that's why it's valuable. If they keep doing this is gonna be like, as seen on TV is to have cachet to people, you know, when it was like, bought purchased ad until people figured out Oh, wait, that's just an ad, you know. And now we it still has the cache, like, if you're on the news to TV or whatever, because you're not supposed to be able to buy it. But now they're starting to be that like, that style thing at all.AGAri Gronich6:11Yeah, absolutely. So here's, you know, I like to play with you. In some of those mind things. You said, I know the mind. I know the consciousness. So here, where I like to go. Right? I want to create a new tomorrow, I want to activate people's visions for a better world activate is an active thing that you have to actually actively do. And in my opinion, that is activism. Because you're doing the thing that you're passionate about that is going to move people forward. So that's an activism thing. So creating an active movement, creating people who are actively doing and collaborating with others who are like minded. How do you move the mountain? How do you get people to come along with you? How do you get people who want to be the leader, to step up to be that leader so that they can then bring the people in?TLTracy Lamourie7:13I think is really showing people that you can do it. Like, that's what I think people always tell me that I've inspired them and all that. And I think it just they're looking at that like oh, well, even my daughter when we you know, we met her at 15 sweet adopted, and she was already awesome activist minded, all kinds of you know, but like when she came into our family and saw the newspaper articles on the thing, about, you know, us with the death penalty, and you know, you know, all these, it newspapers all over America, from the bottom of cat, you know, from Canada and our basement, you know, there we have a cover of the Houston Chronicle that like, and she said to me years later, not then because she started doing her own activist if not around the duck, obviously, or other stuff, you know, a lot of Aboriginal rights stuff early on, it was animals now it's, you know, First Nations and stuff. And so she, I remember, she literally said, like, you know, I thought I was always coming back to this mind, but I looked at all this literally, I thought, well, you guys can do that. It just made it really well. Well, cuz it's, true, like, you know, like, seriously, we elevator stuff so much, you know, without it wasn't about us whenever it was about getting the message out that somebody had to be speaking the message, and all of a sudden, were there people look, you know, so like, we never should have been able to do that stuff. But we just didn't think we thought we should be able to. So we did, you know. And so she was inspired by that. So I think people see that it's not that hard. It's hard. But it's not. But anything. It's not nothing is hard. Nothing, maybe brain surgery. I've never done that. That's probably hard. But I mean, other than that, like, most things in life are not hard. If a human can do it, you can do it. If a person can do it, if you can conceive of it, if you can, you know. And if you take that first step, again, you're a lot closer, like a lot of these things. When you know when we say that people think oh, yeah, yeah, but then a million times before, but it's so it's true. Just do it. If you take a step. Now, you're not where you were before, you're one step closer. And then you realized you did that. And then maybe you take one more step, you're gonna get an serotonin boost a little bit of goal, you know, whenever, and you're like, Whoa, yeah, Matt, you know, like, so I'm lucky and like, I don't know what it was a push me on path. And like, I just didn't have fear. And so like you said, the fear, and I did stuff. And every time I did stuff, you know, again, back in those days, it wasn't a money reward at all. Like now it's, you know, money back that we weren't thinking about that way. But I mean, the reward and it wasn't even about ego wasn't about getting the article. It was about a client we were like literally in it to accomplish that thing. Oh, my God, we're in that article, not like a great trick is not an article. How many people read that how people can hear that. I'm gonna give a Jimmy Jimmy like, it was really about that. And when you're actually doing that, that's when you get hurt when you're doing something.AGAri Gronich10:00Right, you know, awesome. Thank you so much for all of that. Is there anything else that you feel like you just need to give to the audience that you you're like aching to share with them?TLTracy Lamourie10:15Well, I usually end on this on a positive note for people who aren't feeling so positive. Because I think we always talk about all these accomplishments and blah, blah, blah, you know, like, looking at people on vacations on the internet. And clicking will feel pretty bad about themselves. But I again, want you to real I want to realize, so there's Jimmy who spent 25 years on death row, he's always saying Never Never give up. Which, you know, for real, but how he got through it. And then even now, when he's out, and we you know, when everyone has trauma, whenever he's talking about stuff, and he's having a bad day, I'll be like, yeah, you know, what, we didn't get this far to only get this far. We just found on Facebook. I saw that on Facebook once. And for him, I'm like, you know, Grammys on the way you already did the hard stuff, you've got those doors open, and no one would have thought do we didn't get that far, it's not, you know, get rest of your dream, this is the easy part for you like to get the Grammy compared to what we've done already, is easy. That's possible. That wasn't, we did that, you know, so that. But, but more even more importantly, for people who like maybe don't,for people who are feeling good about themselves, you can get inspired only get inspired, there's more to go. But really, more importantly, the people who don't feel good about themselves, who are like who feel like they're a loser who feel like they're not winning, who feel like, you know, they just don't feel that they want to jump off a bridge, they feel like everybody's doing that to sell this No, Oh, you didn't get this far to only get this far, you're absolutely a winner if you're listening to this, because this is a hard, shitty, we're hope sometimes great world, I love that. It can be shitty, it can be hard for people, especially if you don't know how to get out of that negative feeling. And everybody has people that are treating them badly. you've all had struggles. But literally, if you got here, you got through all those struggles, you beat all those people who wanted to bring you down and you won. So you're still here. And there's only tomorrow, you know, to do more. So you have to literally realize he didn't get through all that he didn't deal with all those idiots he didn't deal with all that should be feeling this way today, you gotta like, applaud yourself for where you got and keep on going. So that's, I think, super important.AGAri Gronich12:18Yeah, that was one of the things that I thought of earlier in the conversation when you're talking about celebration. And I think that people forget to celebrate their wins, they're definitely ready to experience their failures, you know, emotionally, but celebrating their wins is, and being grateful for that win each time it comes even if it's tiny, tiny, tiny steps, is an amazing thing for people to do to keep moving them forward and feeling good about it. Even in those moments of hardship, right and struggle. I mean, you went through a lot of years of hardship and a struggle on that path to get that person. And I'm sure that part of what you were thinking is nothing that I'm experiencing as much as what he's experiencing, being in that space. And so using that as part of like cross motivation. And I tell people, you're not done until you're dead. You know, you can't fall off the wagon, there is no wagon. If you're not dead, you're not done. Like, literally at any moment in time, choose to do something different. So move, to fly away, to go on a vacation to rest and breathe and not pick up your phone to do any of these things you are more than capable of because you're a human being. And so I really appreciate you being on and sharing your story, your wisdom, all of the things that got you to a place. And I hope that this that the audience listening really gets that they can do something to activate their vision for a better world and create a new tomorrow today. And it doesn't take a whole lot. It's just one step at a time. So thank you so much for being here. And this has been another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host Ari Gronich. Thank you so much for listening, and we'll see you next time.  

Adam Strong is an Ultra-High Personal Productivity Authority, Business Strategist, Author, Public Speaker and the Founder of the Game Changers Experience.Adam was a former elite athlete in distance running (current world and Olympic champion Sir Mo Farah was his former training partner) and teaches the same success principals creating high energy and fast growing companies.AAri Gronich0:03Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host, Ari Gonich. And today I have with me Adam strong. Met with him a little bit ago while he was in Cyprus, now he's in Scandinavia, he's been doing amazing things to solve the world's plastic pollution problem, as well as having been a ultra-marathoner, I believe, or an extreme athlete, he's worked with Olympics, and so on. So why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself and what makes you tick, but also, why plastic?ASAdam Strong0:39That's why there's about two or three questions there. So what I'll do is I'll try to break them down into many segments, if that's okay Ari. So first of all, thanks very much for letting me on the show. You know, I'm a big fan of the show. It's a great show. And, and I love it that the fact that you've got, you know, some great guests as well. So thanks very much, really appreciate that. So, my background, as you know, I'm just for the listeners, for the point of the listeners is my background is I actually got into elite athletics at the age of 11. So when I grew up, things were quite tough, right? So I suffered from a condition called alopecia. As you can see, I have no hair and haven't had hair since the age of 10. And so did it bother me back? When it when I was younger, I was I went through a transitional period. Like when I first lost my hair, it really did affect my self-esteem and self-confidence, right as it would do with any kind of young child and whatever it might be. But it really affected me. And so I was so ashamed about the way that I looked. And I was so conscious about what people were thinking about me, obviously, you know, judgments and stuff like that, and so forth. And so I was I when I, when I went through school, like through high school and stuff, I wore a sports cap, because I just felt so kind of ashamed about the way I looked out. Even if you look through my school photos, Ari right. I was the only kid that was allowed to wear a skullcap with my like blazer and stuff like that. Right? It was crazy. So anyway, cut long story short, at the age of 11. I, my father at the time, he said to me, because he knew I was going through some tough times. And he took up some long, long distance running at the time, he was like, hey, Son, why don't you get into long distance running? I'm like, Well, you know, I, it's a bit difficult that because I'm an asthma sufferer, you know? And, you know, and, and he was like, Well, why don't you just try it? And I'm like, Okay, well, I'll go try it. Well, what have I got ahead? What have I got to lose? Right? So I remember going down to the athletics track, I went down there on my own, because my mother and father was separated the time. So I was living with my mother. So I walked out, I goes down to the athletics track, which is at least 30 minutes from my house, and I go there on my own. And the reason I was there on my own is pure, because I didn't have the mentors and sort of the coaches and the support that I had when I was a kid. You know, everything that I did was literally off my own back. So when down to down to the athletics track, and I remember Ari turning off the app on the athletics track, and where the counter was, the counter would just appear to be about 10 foot high. And so I was this kid trying to look up and I was like, hey, Is anybody there? Hello. And so there was this lady that kind of looked over and she's like, Hey, I didn't see you there. And so I'm just like, Hey, can I How can I help? And I'm like, What? I'm interested in joining your running club. And I was like, Okay, cool. So, so what's your experience was like, I don't really have an experience. And she's like, no worries, well, what are you interested in? I was like, I'm interested in distance running. My dad's been doing it for a little while. And he's seems to think that might help with my self-esteem and self-confidence. He says, Okay, cool. So she walks me down to the athletics track. And all I see Ari are all these athletes, right. field athletes, track athletes. And I'm like, Whoa, this is way out of my league. Like, seriously, this is way out of my league, and I'm getting uncomfortable. I'm already thinking, I'm already thinking I'm no good for this, right. I'm not, I'm never gonna be any better than these guys on so I'm already comparing myself to these strangers, right. And I'm on and you know, it's not my fault. And so I'm already thinking I'm going to give up before I've even started anyway, cut a long story short. She says, I'm going to introduce you to one of my coaches. I was like, great, fantastic. And he takes like the long distance to middle distance group. And so and then obviously, I told her about my asthma and she went, Oh, okay, no worries. And so I kind of it really was really tough for me Ari when I first started getting started because as being an asthma sufferer, and I don't know if you're an asthma sufferer yourself, but when you're an asthma sufferer. You know doing long distance running is it. It's a bit different, right. So I first started off, I couldn't even run 100 meters. That's how difficult it was for me. 100 meters was real tough for me. And so over a period of time, I just thought to myself after my first session, right, I was like, Okay, I'm going to go back and see if I can try to improve myself, right. I'm going to see if I can improve myself. And just through persistence, and developing tenacity, I started to get better and better, better. Within six months, my asthma had completely disappeared. You know, six months Ari, that's crazy. And you're probably thinking, Wow, that's amazing.AGAri Gronich5:40It's amazing. You know, because I had what they called exercise induced or allergy induced asthma, either one, so and I was a long distance cycler growing up, so I would do your 250 mile rides, from my town in Santa Clarita Valley, all the way over the mountain to Malibu, or Santa Monica, so we'd go and we'd swim around, and we'd hang out and then we'd come back, but I was always the last guy, I would do it, I would do it. But I was always the last guy, because I couldn't really get the breath to flow within, you know, a good athletes cadence. Right? So..ASAdam Strong6:27100% Yeah, it's tough. I mean, literally, I completely 100% know where you're coming from on that one. And it's interesting. So I got introduced my coach, and when he got to the so you have the winter season in the summer season. So when the winter season kicks in, things get really tough because, you know, you go down to minus temperatures. And this is where I started. This is where I actually met my training partner, who was the current world and Olympic world champion in five and 10,000 meters, we, and we really didn't have That's it, we were quite similar in our own ways. He came from Somalia, originally say was an immigrant originally came to the UK and live with his with his own to get away from the war and famine in Somalia. And so he also was similar to myself, he was bullied, you know, didn't particularly have a lot of friends kind of introverted, very similar. And so what we did is we actually used our, I suppose, not really weaknesses, but I suppose, are our state of mind to really kind of bounce off each other. So as we start a training round the dark field at the back of the running track, because no one else would ever go there without any floodlights. We would kind of like, encourage each other to push harder and go harder and, and try to beat our times. And so we would use that. It's a bit like going to the gym every right. If you go to the gym, you're gonna work harder with a training buddy. Right? It's exactly the same thing. And so we did it. And we made it fun for ourselves. And I think that's probably one of the reasons why I just consistently just kept on going back because I just, I just love that age, I just developed this appetite of competition. And I love that I've, you know, I'd never had that before. But that's how I developed it. I just wanted to, I wanted to win, you know.AGAri Gronich8:19So, here's the thing that you and I talked about, I think a little bit, but you wanted to win. But you weren't really racing against the other people. We talked about this a little bit you were wanting to win against the previous version of yourself. That's something that I always would teach to the athletes that I was training, is you're not in competition with the guy next to you. If you get into competition with the guy next to you, that's when you miss the gun, so to speak, when you know, your false starts and you get nervous and you don't have everything else in alignment when you work on yourself is when you're in competition with yourself is when you're like you're in that ultra-focused state of flowASAdam Strong9:03100% I literally, within sort of a year or so I learned a lot of the skills that are a lot of entrepreneurs and business owners really seek but it takes habit. It takes years of practice and tenacity to really master those skills, you know, that you mentioned focus. So for me, my Yes, I was competing against myself. But my real big thing that I really wanted to do was always try to beat my time. That was my competitor that was my competition to try to beat my previous time all the time. And that motivated me so much that I just wanted to keep going back to try to beat it beat it over and over and over and again, and within a short period of time, literally I was absolutely crushing it. So you know, and I think it was just kind of that development really over a set period of time. AGAri Gronich9:55Awesome. Now back to the plastics because completely separate topics, right? Completely or so you'd think. ASAdam Strong10:06Absolutely. Yes or no? So being in, sort of in the Western world, you know, I mean, you're in the United States, I'm in kind of Europe. So I always grew up, you know, in an environment where, you know, recycling was important, save the planet sustainability, things like that. Right. And so, you know, it was ingrained into our culture to look after the planet, because, hey, you only get one planet, right, you know? Right. So I, as you know, Ari I was living in, I just came back from Cyprus, and I was living there for about seven months. The reason I was there is purely because they wanted to get away from the darkness. And somewhere, go somewhere, which is a little bit more paradise, and warmer. But anyway, cut long story short, as I went, I was as I was there. I don't know if any of you listeners have been to Cyprus, but it's bit like going back in a time warp by about 25 years, I kid you not. And so one of the things which, which I, which was shocking. So one of my regular routines was in the morning was to walk down to the beach. And it's kind of my form of meditation, Ari, right, you know, like the fresh air blue skies, you know, you go for a walk along the beach, and that kind of stuff. And so every time I took a walk, I wouldn't see all this plastic being washed up from the sea. And it wasn't just necessarily washed up by the sea, but it was just like dumped, or there was just this sheer lack of love and appreciation. And so I would take my trash bags down there, and I would bring up back at least two bags of plastic trash, you know, every time I'd walk down there, and I just thought to myself, hey, this is really annoying. Like this is really to the point where it's pissing me off, excuse my French, but it really is annoying me. And, and the thing is, it really developed into this kind of anger, and a sense that I was doing something for the planet, but no one really cared. And to me it really. And so, as I develop this anger, I started to create this visionary. And this vision was is that hang on a second, you know, I'm pretty successful in what I do in what I do as an entrepreneur. But that's what entrepreneurs do is they come up with these new visions. And so I create this new, this new vision just came into my head. And now we're in the process of, you know, creating, we're going to be raising investment soon, we're going to be building up massive brand awareness. And we're going to be fixing some of those challenges, especially. And I mean, that the world is, shall I say, it's 70% ocean anyway. So I've managed to create a piece of technology, what it's not just a piece of technology, it's, gonna be an app, it's gonna be a movement more than anything else. So I'm excited about that more than anything else. Because it's, for me, it's not about this isn't about me, like business is never about me. It's always about what can I do for others? or How can I serve others? Do you not? I mean,AGAri Gronich13:08Yeah, you know, it's interesting, because when you spend time in nature, you end up taking a look at it and becoming aware. And it's really hard to not see the things that you see when you're aware of them. So here's one of my questions to you is you've developed, you are out there on a regular basis and develop that awareness. Others have an awareness that something's going on. Let's just say, we'll put their recycle in the recycle bin, and think that it's being recycled, but they'll never know that 99% of what you put in the recycle bin is not going to be recycled. Right? There's, there's so much that we are told, do this, but it's not being effective. So how do people understand that they've been told for 25, 30, 40 years now, reuse, recycle, right. But the things that they're doing aren't being effective. So how do we get to a place where the people are doing the things that they're told, and it's being effective? Because those systems are in place to make it effective?ASAdam Strong14:28Yeah, it's an interesting question. But I think it's, I think the word that comes to my mind is all about education. You know, it's about education, not just like, and I said to you, I, you know, I came back from Cyprus is like, you know, living in back in sort of the 1990s. And so we live in the 21st century now, right? And so, it's about the challenges is that you've got different cultures. So Western world culture is very different from say Africa. It's very different from Mediterranean life. And, and so it's about educating and going into schools and educating the children. And that's where it's really good to start. From my perspective..AGAri Gronich15:12Okay. So that it to me that feels like that's what's been done. So like, I was in elementary school, and I'm old now. And I was an elementary schooler listening about recycling. And so I guess my point is, I no longer feel like, it is the people like it's like, same thing with food and obesity, right. People are eating nonfat; they're eating sugar free. They're eating. Oh, wait, now I'm now the fat, you know, the results are completely the opposite of what they say we're doing. So the education, yes, is important. But it has to be correct information. Number one, are education. But number two, it's like you're creating a technology, right? There's so many technologies out there to help clean things that are not being used. So I guess the question is, how do we get the public educated enough to where they become activated. To force change to happen? versus just going, Oh, well, you know, I see plastic everywhere, and I'm completely unable to change it.ASAdam Strong16:26You know, that's a million-dollar question. And, and, and that's a very good point. I think, from my perspective, that leadership starts from the top. And so really, what has to happen really, is that you have to start getting in front of governments, world leaders, disruptors, influences, you know, and create documentaries. I mean, one of my role models, Ari, one of my role models is Sir David Attenborough. I don't know if you have known as David Attenborough, but he is, is a British chap, he's in his 90s. And literally, he does documentaries for the BBC, mainly. And so all of these things is all around educating, going to the UN and, and talking to world leaders about the fact that, you know, if you continue to abuse the planet, the way it is, then it's gonna, there's be repercussions off the back of that, right? You know, your children and your children's children, they're not going to enjoy the way that we enjoy his life. So, you know, and then things get extinct and so forth. So, if we're wrong with answers to your question, it really has to start with the top. And, you know, and sure, there's, only the little man, which is kind of me as such, right? But effectively, if you're gonna become, if you really gonna want to create a ripple, if you like, and become like kind of the face of, then the face of a particular movement, or whatever it is, then you've really got to start by getting some big support from some of the influences and thought leaders that are out there.AGAri Gronich18:00Gotcha. So I guess I go back, you know, I asked tougher questions than most, I guess, on this show. And, and I guess what I'm what I'm looking at is see you're doing something actively to solve a problem, to create a different result. And my question, I guess, goes back to what do we need to do not to educate the government, because they're educated, they already have all the scientists telling them all the facts, they haven't done anything about it, right. So if I'm like, I'm a performance therapist, I'm all about results, getting results, if I have an athlete who's injured, and they need to go get a gold medal, and we don't get them the results, then they lose millions of dollars. And, you know, there's all kinds of things that stay with not getting your balls, you had 50 years of not getting results. So my questions become like, activate you're going to be a leader, you're going to be moving, create, you know, creating a movement for plastic, right? How many of the people who are creating the movement for plastic Have you already connected with right and, and said, Okay, I see what you're doing, here's what I'm doing. Can we make this more effective? And then do that with the government as well? I mean, that's just my, my 10 cents on it. But I if I'm looking at, I want results, and I know you're going to be somebody who's going to be producing results, then I want to know, as an audience has as a person, like, how do I connect with you? How do I get results to so that I don't have to live with plastic on my beaches?ASAdam Strong19:43Sure. Well, I think everyone plays it plays an important role in in everything right? But I think what's what the key word that comes to my mind is collaboration. No one man no one woman, no one piece of technology software, whatever it might be. No creative invention is going to fix one huge, massive thing. The end of the day, it starts through collaboration, it starts by working together. That's the big thing. It can't be done otherwise, because there's only so much I can do with the world. And there's only so much you can do in the world. But ultimately, we all have to collaborate, and synergize. I mean, listen, at the end of the day, we've seen, especially over the last 18 months, where there's a big reset of the world. And you're seeing like habitats flourish, evolution new species coming in, because there's no humans about you know what I mean. And so it's kind of interesting, there was this great documentary, again by Sir David Attenborough. And he was just talking about the fact that cities were deserted. And, and now we've got all these new ecosystems and habitats that are being created. But ultimately, it is all around, building working together in unity and synergy. and collaborating working towards one movement. So I have a particular vision. But in order to have that vision, really kind of, I suppose, really take its toll and really kind of get the desired results is for everyone to really jump on board, if you like, and really kind of understand the real purpose and the real, why as to why we're doing it.AGAri Gronich21:26So, what is what is like, the thing that you say to somebody who I don't believe in climate change, or, you know, what I'm doing as part on the planet is not going to affect the planet, it's stronger than I am, you know, like, there's so many arguments that people are making conspiracy theories that people are making. And so I like to, like cut all of that shit out. As if, if there is no conspiracy theory, if, if there is no climate change, the only thing we're doing is looking down the road and seeing a whole bunch of crap on the road that, you know, looks like it should be clean. Isn't that enough? To get somebody to clean up? Well, obviously not. But you know, this is where I where I like to take, take it is What's so difficult about the concept get rid of all the morality theory, you know. ASAdam Strong22:26Because not everyone believes what you believe. And it's all about belief systems, right? So what my opinion and my belief systems about how I see the world and how I see perspective of the environment, and the plastic is very different from the way you see it the way the guy in Manhattan sees it. At the end of the day, it's all very subjective. So the idea really is like for my, and I hope that I'm kind of singing off the same hymn note here is that there's no point in forcing someone to really understand, you know, like, if I if someone kind of questioned me and said, Well, why are you doing that? Why are you doing that? Well, what are you doing type of thing, right? There's no right or wrong. It's very opinionated, and very subjective. At the end of the day, it's about, like, for me, the environment is like the environment and the ocean. The reason why it's so important to me is because number one, I enjoy watersports, scuba diving, snorkeling, all of those things I enjoy doing. So why would I want to, you know, swim with all that plastic rather than swim with the fish? Right? That just, that's just stupid, right? But listen, know what. We're all different. We all have our different opinions, different value, core values, but at the end of the day, you've got to do what you feel was right. You know, that's kind of from my perspective, it answers the questionAGAri Gronich23:55That would be that would be good on a micro level of individual. Right. So then I go to the next level, which is technology. So there are companies that have the technology to clean up stuff that aren't there's systems in place and government in place incentives in place to pollute rather than to not pollute. And so that next question becomes, how do we regulate again, or systemize in the government, good behavior of the corporations and the people who are actually affecting massive audience or macro, you know, environment versus just those micro?ASAdam Strong24:36Yeah, it's, it's a it's another good question. And what I would say is, from my perspective, plastic pollution is it's vast, like, people really don't understand how such big a problem it is. But it is so enormous it's unreal, it's probably unthinkable. Why would I go and tackle something as huge as that right. That's probably what some of your listeners are probably thinking. But the question is, is, why not? And why? Why not me? You know that. And so why should I? At the end of the day? Yes, you're right there is technology out there. But I think if you provide, if you provide the decision makers with the right data, and what I mean by the right data, let me let me give an example. Right. So if I was to collect data using AI, between, say, I was surveying, say, the Mediterranean Sea, right. And I was also surveying, say, I don't know the English Channel, I just use that as an example, right? Through AI, I can then pick up, you know, and monitor to see if there's, you know, a lot of plastic in that particular area, that's then going to be able to help us focus on specific areas of the world where we can say, Okay, well, there are shipping lanes, which go across it. And all of the cargo ships are dumping that shit into the sea. And so what are we going to do about that, right? That means that we're going to then send out our drones, we're going to then provide proof, we can then prosecute, we can do whatever it is, and therefore, we can then do something about it. Because at the end of the day, because plastic pollution is such a big problem. And yes, we all know about, you know, the need to clean up and the benefits and the reasons why. But if you've got hard core facts about where to focus, what to do, and who to go after, then it becomes a different ballgame.AGAri Gronich26:34Gotcha. I like that measure first in functional medicine with no clinical diagnosis. It's always test, test, test, test, measure, get the numbers, right, if you get the numbers, right, you're golden. Here's the crux of it, though, some of those numbers aren't going to matter to people. So when I'm looking at something like this, right, the plastic not, it's not just plastic pollution, harming environment, it's the plastic estrogen as harming our own bodies, that's causing kids to go through puberty at five and six years old, and that of at, you know, normal age, it's all of the illnesses and the diseases, it's all those other things, right. And so I guess, where I want so much, you know, I want so much, I should on people a lot, right? I should on people a lot. And here's my thing about incentives about the world in an environment, there's so many reasons that we haven't even thought of that would be a good idea to take care of certain problems like plastic, like any of the pollution. But I then go back to I remember growing up in my hometown, and you couldn't see the mountain in front of you. It was smoggy there. And when California said, No companies, you have to have regulation that's going to control this smog. All of a sudden, that smog lifted, and you could see blue again. And it was like years since I had seen blue. So, you know, I go Okay, well, even if I have conspiracy theories, even if I think capitalism is awesome, and we should be able to do anything we want. As a human being I sit in the world going, this, I don't like how I feel I don't like what I see. And so I want to make a change. And I know that not everybody does that. But there are ways I think that can make it easier for them. If the systems are designed, like when they go take their there's recycling their cans and bottles out to recycle. And making sure that the companies are recycling that stuff. We have the technology, it's kind of funny, I watched a documentary on this recently, we have the technology to do it. But they haven't implemented or set up the technology at most of the communities, cities states, because of money. And yet, so you're so as the audience member here, you're putting your stuff in the plastic bin. And it's going with everything else. Yep. And that to me is like how do we get that? To shift? How do we get these companies to be good actors instead of bad actors? How do we and then make awareness so that people will hold them accountable since the government's obviously not doing it?ASAdam Strong29:40Absolutely. 100%. And a good example of this is, I remember actually, so here's a really good example of for me, when I was over in Cyprus, and he used to do these, you know, I used to, as I said, as I described to you, I used to do, we me and my family used to do these plastic pickups on a daily basis, right? And so you'd get like these shipping bags. And on the shipping bags, it would even have the address of the person that actually decided to dump their shit in the sea. Right? How stupid is that? Right? It had China shipping and even had the address. And I'm like, Am I missing a trick here or something? So you know what I mean. Anyway, I just wanted to kind of say that, but that, you know, I just found that kind of, in a way. It's hilarious. But in another way, it's sad. You know, how, you know, people treat the world but you know, you're absolutely right. Companies need to be accounted for. And the only way that can be done is by saying, hey, Sonny, Jim, this is what you've done. Here's the proof. Now, you need to cough up.AGAri Gronich30:45Yeah, exactly. So, you know, that's one of the places that I want people as they're listening to this kind of, you know, these shows, I want them to go, that's me. I'm a lawyer, I can do that. You know, that's me. I'm, I'm an environmentalist, I could do that part. This is me, I'm a, I can do this. That's what I want people to get when they listen to the shows. So what are some things that that you would think of are things that the audience members could say, Oh, yeah, I could do that.ASAdam Strong31:22Reframe the question for me again, I just have to think about that.AGAri Gronich31:25Okay, So I want people when they're listening to the show, to have things that they can do that they'll say, Oh, yes, I can do that. And I can get started on that. Now, instead of what most people do, which is I like the idea. I don't know how to get started not going to do anything, not really inspired to do it. So, you know, this shows about activating your vision for a better world. It's about how do we actively do the things that we're talking about instead of just talking about them? So how do we, you know, what are some things that people can do? When they're listening to this? And say, I want I could do that I could get involved in this part. I could get involved in that.ASAdam Strong32:09Why I think it. So there's a number and I'll just tell you from personal experience, Ari, right, because I think that's probably best. Right? So number one is that you and I go back to core foundations, we all have different core values, go back to your core values. First of all, okay, what's important to you? That and if you know what's important to you, then you can then start to create, as you would say, at the beginning, how to then create a purpose and a vision, right? You've got to get, you've got to then be committed to that, right? What is it that you really want to do in life, right, and, and it doesn't have to be so extreme like I am, which is kind of solving the world's plastic pollution problem, it could be something really, really simple. It could be something like, I don't know, save the milkman in Manhattan, for example, I don't know, whatever, right? But you get my point, right? So that the thing is, number one, be committed to your vision, okay, that's the first thing. Secondly, ideas are shit without execution, right. You've got to act on what you do. If you're going to say you're going to do something, then you've got to be accountable for that at the end of the day. So make sure you've got a good, at least a good coach or a mentor to really kind of push you on, and to make you accountable for that that's extremely important. And also, I was gonna say, just, if you believe you've got to believe in it, whether it be a product or service, a moment, whatever it might be, you have to believe in it more than anybody else. Because if you don't believe in it, if you don't believe in yourself, if you don't believe in what you're doing, then guess what, it's not going to work. Because without belief systems, that's basically the core foundation of everything. And that's a knee, if you don't, you need to have those in place. Once you've got those things in place, then you can execute, then you can start to think about how you can build trust, how you can make collaborations and how you can then turn that into where depend on what is it that you want to do? Can it be monetized? Is it for charity, or whatever it is, but everything should be able to should be able to monetize things and whatever it is. So does that help?AGAri Gronich34:25Yeah, absolutely. You know, and one of the things that I like is that you're, you're like me taking the passion and turning it into a career. Because what are you doing on this planet? If you're not enjoying your life, and if you're not doing the work of something that you enjoy, then you know, we're just living a dead life. It's kind of like the there's an old saying about, you know, people in cars on the freeways in LA, you know, driving around in their metal coffins and That's just the truth. And so I'm always about how do we lift people up out of the circumstances that they find themselves in, and reengage them, reintroduce them to their purpose to what it is that they really truly want. ASAdam Strong35:21Was gonna say to you, actually, have you ever seen that film The Matrix? Oh, yeah. I mean, most people have seen the matrix. And it kind of reminds me like, what you're describing is a bit like people who live in the matrix, right? They just, they're just so blinkered, it's a bit like, Bill Murray's Groundhog Day, I'm sure you've seen that movie, where he just kind of the same thing over and over again, right? What does he do? He sleeps, he eats, and he goes to work. And those are the only three things that he does until he kind of creates this perceptional awareness about how to try to break the cycle do you know what I mean. AGAri Gronich35:55Yeah. We're doing that. All right. Now, you know. We're definitely on this pendulum of we did this. Now we're gonna go back here. Oh, wait, we did this already. Now we're gonna go back here. Wait, no.AGAri Gronich36:16You know, it's funny to me. I was I was talking to somebody the other day about the Roman Empire. And just, you know, the, the collapse of the Roman Empire and what were the things that caused that lab, and we in the US, in the Western world, in general, have are, you know, have like, planned, so to speak, by not planning to go down by the way of the dodo, just like the Roman Empire. And I find it fascinating how we're not learning from our mistakes, or taking the opportunity to assess and reassess when we're not getting the results that we want. Right. So what are you doing within your initiative and within your technology to kind of address those things? With regards to, you know, check, looking at the impact the results, the you know, the forethought of what it is you're doing, the planning,ASAdam Strong37:21What am I doing in the planning stages?AGAri Gronich37:23Yeah, what is the planning stages? And then what is that tech, I don't like to do this as a show that promotes, but I want to know what you're doing. So that if somebody wants to say, Oh, yeah, I like that I can get involved with doing that.ASAdam Strong37:39Well, listen, I can, I can describe because for me, I'm, at the end of the day, no one is going to be able to replicate my vision as such, right? We all have our own vision. So for me, I'm, we're actually designing at the moment where our models are, we're designing a unique boats or a new unique ship, which is essentially powered with zero fossil fuels. So it's powered through hydrogen, and solar panels, and also wind energy. So there'll be zero fossil fuels involved as part of that technology as well. So that's one technology as part of that. So energy saving technology. Secondly, what we're going to be doing is we're creating what they call a boom, and a boom will be as the boat is going along the boom will be like a bit like a kind of a half circle. circumference, which is kind of a there's got to be a net. It's kind of a net. And in between that the fish can obviously you know, they don't get trapped within that but it collects all the plastic is it kind of trundles along. On top of that. We also have. It's also powered through AI. AI is really, really up and coming at the moment. But everyone knows about boys, so boys are good for navigation and shipping and stuff like that. So along with that we have boys so if you can imagine, say for example, I'll just use this as an example say I focusing on the Hudson River, right. And so between the Hudson River between New Jersey and New York, right, and the same, just for just for the hell of air between the Hudson and say New York say it was the equivalent of say 12 football fields. Within 12 football fields, we would then mark up at each corner of the football field, we were placed what they call a boy within that boy, we also it will send out signals and pick up AI and by telling the boat to go to certain places so it can pick up the data. It's a bit like an electric lawnmower. Electric lawn mowers, which you know can be quite bulky, they go up to the other than the lawn and then they turn back or they go in a different direction is exactly the same. concept. This is just out in the in the rivers and the seas of the oceans, exactly the same concept. And so what it's doing is it's collecting all the data as it goes along. And it's, and it's trying to figure out what are the most polluted waters in the world? Where is this big focus, and where's the big scope? On top of that, there's also going to be drones. So they're gonna be sending out long distance drones. What are the drones ready to do with drones, what they do is number one, they help monitor the local area. So if there is a, I don't know, say, for example, when a specific area in the Hudson that was heavily polluted, and there was a ship passing by. And if you put two and two together, they found that the ship was dumping shit into the sea or into the Hudson, right, then the drones can then pick up that data. And then they can obviously put two and two together and report it back to the authorities. So you've got aerial views, you've got picking up AI, you've got picking up the plastic itself, but actually on the ship, we're actually going to be recycling the plastic as we go along, turning it into either fuel, or selling it to companies, which can be sold into recyclable products. So there's lots of great things that's going to be part of the part of the project.AGAri Gronich0:03That sounds awesome.How can people get ahold of you? If they're if they're interested in doing some playing with plastics?ASAdam Strong0:09Sure. Absolutely. That you're very welcome to connect with me on LinkedIn. I'm, I'm more active on LinkedIn, of course, Instagram, and you can also connect with me on my podcast, if you want to look at my podcast as well, the game changes experience as well. I'm happy to connect with you guys on there as well.AGAri Gronich0:28One last, you know, deep question is about microplastics. Yes. And I just want you to talk a little bit about that. Because big plastic is very different, easier to collect. Micro plastic, obviously, is nanoparticles. And so what should people do about filtering their water at homes? What should people do to avoid the microplastics? And what is microplus? What is that? That as an issue?ASAdam Strong0:57Yeah, it's a good question. So So microplastics are generally normally fragmented pieces of plastic that's generally come off of a bigger piece of plastic, that's generally what micro plastics are. And they generally wash up our onto our beaches. So you'll see all those little tiny twigs and little microplastics, or whatever it might be. Yes, it, believe it or not, 70% of plastic is actually what they found through research is that 70% of plastic is actually comes from our rivers. So the rivers, when they wash down to the ocean, it gets them washed out into the ocean, that's how it affects marine life. So what was it gonna, what was gonna say? So the microplastic problem is really, really challenging. What we're doing with our ship is we're actually creating what we call a vacuum cleaner. So it's going to be picking up all this microplastic as we come along, and then it's going to bundle it up like a bit like a wet a dung beetle, collects all of its stuff when you're not I mean, so it will collect like a dombey, all type of thing, and four balls of these microplastics, or whatever it might be, but it's a real challenge, really big challenge. What can consumers do? Yes, of course, you mentioned filter water and things like that. 100%. But I think, you know, just do your bit for the planet. Really? That's kind of what I would say, from my perspective, which is probably not the answer that you're probably looking for right now. But it is new technology. And there's new things that we need to work on to make that work.AGAri Gronich2:33Yeah, I just, I guess I tell people to do the water thing. I was selling water filters. When I was 18 years old. And we used to go into restaurants and so on, and we bring with us a portable water filter. Again, this is before Britta is before they were popular, And so we would go into the restaurants with TPM meters and add chlorine testers and stuff. And so we'd, oh, look how many parts per million are in here, you know, and how many? Like how much chlorine is in this, your pool should be here, this is here.AGAri Gronich3:13And we would I was how we got business? Really. I mean, we literally go in there and people would look at us and go, Oh, that's in my water. You know, I can't unless somebody's showing them the proof right in front of them. It's really difficult, you know? There are so many reasons. And plastics are one of the main ones these days because they are estrogen producers. They're what's called xeno estrogens, that, yes, basically cause your body's hormonal system to deregulate and not function properly. And so that's part of why it's so important. So for if anybody is listening to this and go, Ah, that's not really for me. If you're drinking water, and breathing air, it's just for you. I just wanted to kind of, you know, get your take on that as well, because I think people don't realize how much of the world is affecting them. Because they just don't know about what it is that's happening to them.ASAdam Strong4:17Show. Absolutely. Well, some sometimes it can be a lack of awareness and lack of education, but sometimes it can also be ignorance. AGAri Gronich4:30This is true. And that ignorance that lack of that the willful ignorance I understand is kind of what you're saying is willful ignorance but willful ignorance is probably one of the most devastating things to our environment but also to our people will full environment it willful ignorance is what I you know, say is the reason why a bully can be a bully. You know, willful silence and ignorance of everybody else, so anything that you'd like to leave the audience with any gems, anything else? I mean, this has been a great interview so far. And I know I've challenged you a little bit more than most. So..ASAdam Strong5:18Well, listen, I like I first of all, I like the challenges. You know, I'm always fascinated by people ask really good questions. So I just want to say thank you for that. Really appreciate that. My last words of wisdom for your audience? Well, I think it depends on entirely where people are out, you know, so we're all at, we're all on different journeys, okay. And my thing is, is that, you know, don't mold yourself around what other people want you what you think that other people want you to be right? Don't I never give a shit about what other people's opinions and nor should you, at the end of the day, you got to do what you feel is going to be aligned to your core values. Number one, it creates happy it makes you happy and fulfilled. And Number three, like, for me, what makes me happy and fulfilled, like, when I get out of bed, Ari, it's not money that motivates me, okay, it's my higher calling my purpose, my biggest fear is to be is to leave this planet where I feel insignificant. That's my biggest fear. I guess my question to your audience is what is your biggest fear? What do you fear the most? And what is it that you if you were to leave this earth? If you were to leave this world? What is the biggest thing that you fear in your life? Mine is ignorant insignificance, right, whatever that looks like to you. It might be different to you, it might be that you don't feel fulfilled, you might not be happy, or whatever it is. But just focus on something that is true and is aligned to you. That's kind of what I wanted to say. AGAri Gronich6:59Awesome. Thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate it. And I know the audience has gotten a lot out of this. So this has been another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. Thank you so much for being here, where we're every day trying to create a new tomorrow and activate our vision for a better world. Thank you so much.

Health challenges can oftentimes be huge obstacles to our lives, and when conventional methods of healing fail to help us with our health challenges, we might find ourselves in extremely difficult situations. My guest today is someone who survived through this sort of a challenge and ultimately became a healer himself. Ari Gronich, Performance Therapist Educator Consultant, best-selling author, and the host of Create A New Tomorrow Podcast, joins us today to talk about how a crisis may become the catalyst to finding purpose.Surviving Crisis – When Ari was a young adult, he went through several medical complexities and, at some point, was misdiagnosed, causing more trouble. We talk about the long journey it took for Ari to recover and how that influenced him to find new paths of healing.Helping Athletes – One of the things Ari focuses on now is helping athletes achieve their goals. We dive into his approach to working with athletes and how he strategically helps them overcome their weaknesses.Value of Community – Ari shares his perspective on why we need to have a community of trusted people around us, how modern media and other innovations have affected our sense of community, and how we can create better connections with other human beings.Bubbles of Negativity – Another interesting point Ari brings up is that we often find ourselves in bubbles of negativity because negative stories grab more attention from the world. We talk about why we need to spread more stories about all the good things that are happening around us.Addressing Trauma – Ari shares his thoughts on how trauma affects us, how trauma lives in our body, and why we should address where trauma lives in order to reduce the way trauma affects our lives efficiently.Doing Better – Ari points out that the vast majority of the things around us and concepts and philosophies we're used to are man-made and that we can change these things. We dive into how to create a better environment for mankind by changing these man-made things in a way that creates better outcomes. ResourcesConnect with Ari:Website: achievehealthusa.com LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/arigronich/ Facebook: facebook.com/WarriorHealer

Dr. Franchell HamiltonShe recognized that many of her patients needed a more personalized plan to help them maintain their weight loss goals. By addressing the mental, behavioral, medical, and environmental factors that kept them from a meaningful transformation, her patients began to regain control in these areas.Ari Gronich: Hey everyone, welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host or Ari Gronich and today I have with me Dr. Franchell Hamilton. She is a bariatric surgeon with not only several years of medical and surgical training, but chemistry psychology as well, who's now kind of grown a little tired of the system, as it is, and is looking to help support patients in a more holistic way. So I want I wanted to have her on here because she truly is part of who's making medicine, good for tomorrow, helping them activate their vision for a better world through medicine. So wanted to bring her on Dr. Franchell, thank you so much for coming on. Franchell Hamilton: Thank you. Thank you for having me. Ari Gronich: Absolutely. Why don't you tell us a little bit about your background? And what made you go from traditional medicine towards some more holistic approach?Franchell Hamilton: Sure. So I was traditionally trained MD, medicine, went through residency, general surgery, and then I did extra training and bariatric or weight loss surgery, and was in private practice for about 10 years. And it wasn't until I was in private practice, actually, kind of with my own patients doing the things the way I want it. To do that I started realizing the system that I've been trained all this time wasn't really effective. And I have three clinics, right. So we had a pretty large practice. We're in a big Metropolitan Dallas Fort Worth area. And I was probably one of the top geriatric surgeons as far as volume, what I started noticing probably about seven years in actually, that I was doing a lot more revision surgeries, which means they've already had a bariatric surgery, gastric bypass, sleeve, lap band, whatever it is, and they were coming back to get a revision surgery. And I noticed that several years in the practice changed from doing predominantly first time, weight loss, whatever, surgery, medication wellness, I do a lot of things in my clinic that I saw a lot of repeat customers that regained. And I had to ask myself, what am I doing here, like I did all the checkboxes that I was taught to do. All the patients had to go see a nutritionist, they had to go see a psychologist, they had to get their heart checked out. They did all the checkboxes that was required by insurance. And that was required from my training. But patients weren't getting better. They were requiring revisions. And even the ones that were doing just the medical weight loss, they just weren't progressing the way I thought they should be. And I didn't go into medicine just to be busy. Just to be a busy surgeon, I actually wanted to make a difference. I have a heart for people with a lot of medical problems and complicated obesity. And I really wanted them to not just treat their medical problems, but to resolve them. I wanted them to go away. And I felt like in that moment, we I wasn't doing the right thing for them. So I really had to kind of rethink what I was doing revamp and I actually got more education and almost like what we call Eastern medicine or holistic medicine during those years because I was getting burned out with traditional medicine because I felt like I was not helping my patients because they didn't get better. Like I was trained bariatric surgery will not only help them lose weight, but their diabetes and hypertension, cholesterol, all this stuff will resolve. Right. And it did for a brief moment in time. And then the majority of patients were regaining. So that was my turning point for me.Ari Gronich: Awesome. Thank you so much for that and your dedication in general to wanting to find the best results for your patients. Because we all know that that's not happening so much in the industry right now. And one of the questions I wanted to ask you is what's been your, you know, the pushback from the system or from your colleagues, and so forth? Or what's been the adaptation from them where they've said, Oh, yeah, I've seen this too. And I also want to do what's best. So how can I get on board with what you're doing? So how have you seen on both sides of that?Franchell Hamilton: So, believe it or not, I felt like and still feel like I'm almost like a sore thumb in my industry because I will tell you, especially in the surgical industry, a lot of us are them. They're not there yet. Like they just they operate the and to be honest, I don't even know if it's their fault, like we were trained as a surgeon, we see a problem, we fix the problem or take out the problem. And then we move on to the next thing before I started my own private practice, I was with a group that was very much like that I was employed. And I immediately got out of that, because I was like, this is definitely not the way I want to practice medicine. And the only way that I felt like I can even come close was by starting my own practice. So that's kind of how I ended up in my own private practice. But I will tell you, in my own private practice, it was a struggle, like, I felt like I got pushback from all sides, I got pushback from the insurance companies, I got pushback from a lot of my own colleagues, when I surgical colleagues, when I brought up the idea that patients have to do other things to help them with their weight, diabetes, when I talked about positive affirmations, or maybe including meditation or yoga, I got pushed back all the way around to the point where I had said, almost like leave those I'm not a part of a lot of those organizations. And from the insurance standpoint, they did not pay for any of the more holistic things that I wanted to do that I saw worked, I saw this work. And I even wrote a letter saying this is medical necessity, I think they need this, this and this. And it was denied left and right. And I often found patients were almost mad at me or my office because we couldn't get this approved. And I'm like insurance companies will pay for their blood pressure medication. But if I want it to treat their blood pressure in another way that I know would actually benefit them by helping them reduce stress, change their environment, whatever the case, I got pushback, I wasn't paid, the insurance company didn't pay. And a lot of my surgical colleagues thought I was actually kind of crazy. So I literally had to shut everything down and almost start over the way I felt like with my own vision, the way I felt like things that should be it almost gave me an aha moment. On the way healthcare was practice, like everything it was it was almost like a brief down moment for me, because I've been in this system for so long. And I didn't even recognize this was happening until my patients weren't progressing. And then if I was in fight with the insurance to get stuff covered, I felt like my voice really wasn't being heard. On the other side, some of my medical colleagues, medical non-surgical, were very open to that idea. So I had to shift almost to the more holistic or integrative community, where they got it, lifestyle medicine, doctors, integrative medicine, functional medicine, meditation therapist, yoga therapist, so I almost shifted into that community. And that's kind of where I felt more welcomed, because in my traditionally trained community, a lot of us, some of us are jumping over, but a lot of us are still with the typical mindset when it comes to how we should treat health care.Ari Gronich: Right. So, you know, part of this show has always been a lot about the health care industry, because that's where I started. And, you know, I know from my own medical history, having a brain tumor that I was told, I'd be basically gaining weight until I was dead. And I was 342 pounds at one point where I'm just going okay, so I went on to a cleanse, I went on to another cleanse after that I did a 40 day fast, and I did a 10-day water fast. I mean, it was like one after another of just Something's got to give. And but, you know, misdiagnosed and mistreated my entire childhood. It's kind of why I'm in the business to begin with. What I what I saw was that results never seemed to matter. It was procedures and the incentive system is to do more procedures rather than to actually get the good results for the patients. And so, one of this is like the audience here. A lot of them obviously hear me a lot, but to the people that are in what they would say mainstream, I'm considered maybe woo woo because I don't have a doctor degree other than my doctor of metaphysics, right. So, I would be discredited, you know, because of that. So, you're a medical doctor who's in this industry, right? And so how do we get that system to start shifting itself to more of a results-oriented system?Franchell Hamilton: Yeah, and I'm glad you mentioned that because one of the reasons I got into, particularly obesity medicine was because of the labels like I was labeled as a kid, I didn't have the best childhood. And I had all this kind of like negative labels slapped on me. And so, when I got into medicine, I knew I wanted to be in a field, where people felt like either they were defeated, or they're, you know what I'm saying they just have this negative connotation. So that's what drew me to obesity medicine in general, because there's all this negativity around it, that most of it is not true, which a lot of it I also felt growing up. And so I want it to be that kind of voice for my patients and be that advocate truly be that advocate. And that's one of the things when I got into medicine, where over time, I felt like I'm not advocating for them, kind of like what you were saying. It's a procedural driven society. I mean, we can talk about what happened in COVID, when elective surgeries got shut down, like there's so much stuff in the hospitals that got shut down, I think the way to change it is to do stuff like what you're already doing, talking to more people getting the word out what me and you are both doing try to promote, I still have my practice, it's completely changed now. But a lot of my work now is to get the word out on the way this healthcare system is having practiced in it for a decade before my eyes were open. And realizing like this is not the way it needs to be practiced. There are actually several communities of physicians now who also believe this, which is helpful, we are partnering with a lot of people like you like yoga therapists, like other people who years ago, they're just like, oh, they don't know what they're talking about. Yes, they do, because they're also seeing results. So it's a matter of like getting the word out there that these other modalities exist. And I think it has to be a combination of patients, patients now are also getting frustrated with their results, they're getting frustrated, for paying these high insurance premiums, and not having anything covered, and not getting the treatments that they feel like are going to resolve their medical problems. So I think it took everybody being frustrated and wanting to make a change in the system it's starting. And I think it's just the combination of us getting the word out joining together and getting a change in this area.Ari Gronich: Yeah, so one of my questions, then is being that you're in the unique position that you're in, of being in that medical side, and now bridging the gaps. You know, to the western side, my question would be, how do we get some of those organizations that are individual like IFM, FMU, a forum, right? Those are all individual organizations to kind of come together and literally create the next kind of healthcare system. Because, you know, the way I look at it, the battle that we've been having has been about who pays the insurance company bills, right? Whether it's the government paying or whether it's the insurance paying, it's still who's paying, but there's been no talk about how do we make the system more effective so that people are healthier so that it costs us less money in general? And so that's kind of one of the conversations I like to have is, how do we come together in a way that honors and respects all aspects of medicine, minus, of course, the fraud and deceit and all that shit. But that honors the risk and respects all the good that medicine is mixed with all the good that the holistic side has to offer, and come and create a new system that just is outperforming the old system.Franchell Hamilton: I agree. And that's a loaded question. Because as you and I both know, that's going to take a lot. That's going to take a lot of manpower. On all ends, physicians, support staff like you other health care workers like you and patients to kind of come in and say we want this change, I can tell you, I have stayed one of the reasons I've stayed with my foot in medicine, like clinical practice is so I can help dictate and start being the change. There's so many other opportunities, I've had to completely leave medicine and kind of and maybe at some point, I will do that. But right now, I am trying to bridge the gap. There are several people that are trying to bridge the gap with their patients and these organizations. So I sit on a lot of committees on a lot of these organizations that do not see it this way. yet. One of the reasons I started They'll stay on these committees. So I can almost be a voice inside that committee to help create the change that I think is needed. I'm, I still sit on my Council Committee for American College of Surgeons and so I'm over all of North Texas as a bariatric surgeon, I represent that one of the reasons I still stay there is so I can voice some of the changes that need to be made, I think it's going to take people higher up honestly, in these organizations to say something, and then to start kind of weaving, which we already had, we met each other. I've met several people who are on the same playing field, but I would have never met until I kind of started this whole thing. I think there needs to be a movement. That's what I'm talking about on my podcast and shows. That's what you're talking about. There's a lot a lot of us that are talking about it and we need to all come together, believe it or not, we are making some headwing. CMS which is Medicare, Medicaid, they the government insurance is considering at least looking at functional and integrative medicine, as far as coverage, which is huge. I know, it doesn't seem like a lot. But that is a huge thing that in general, we've been trying to push just like coverage for bariatric surgery, right? Like there's a lot of issues with that. There's a lot of these like grass roots going on in these organizations. I'm part of AMA, which is an American Medical Association. We're trying to in these organizations, I know there are several of them. And yes, we need to come together more, but we're trying to get stuff passed. So integrative and functional medicine has gotten a bill to Congress saying this is what needs to happen in order to help treat patients better, they've actually looked at it and are considering approving it. Once Medicare and Medicaid approves the coverage of functional and integrative medicine, which is currently not approved, that will be a ripple effect, and all other insurances will follow. So I think it's steps like that that's like big, it's hard for like the lay person to see it who's not working. And it takes years, it takes years. Like it took about six years for even that to get to Congress, you know what I'm saying? It just takes a long time for this stuff to happen.Ari Gronich: So because it takes a long time, when it's us industry, people that are not lobbyists? What is the thing that we can do with our patients? Like what are what are the things that patients can do to accelerate it within their groups? Because I'll tell you, I look at all of the Facebook groups and you know, people, some complaining and some promoting and some other things, but all of them is like it's disconnected. And it's what I would consider to be frantic, complaining or gathering to complain instead of collaborating to succeed. So, my question is both for the patients and the physicians who are starting to work with their holistic counterparts, right? How can they combine together to create more power in that movement.Franchell Hamilton:  So I think in kind of what we're doing, and this has also already started, where we're forming networks, right, and networks among our area, or region. And I think from a patient standpoint, they need to complain to their insurance company for coverage, which a lot of my patients when I was accepting insurance and alert or accept it, but when I was accepting insurance, I was like, you need to talk to your insurance and ask to get a coverage, believe it or not, when you're an insurance physician or practitioner of any sort, there are several people that's not a physician that takes insurance, there's only so much that we can do, believe it or not, insurance don't want to pay us but as the patient and I'm a patient too, you're paying into the system. So the patient has more power when it comes to their insurance than the physician or the provider does. So those complaints need to be directed towards their insurance companies demanding coverage or demand to leave. There's so many other options out there. If everybody pulled away from the insurance companies and just decided to that that's not that's not working from them, they have to make changes, right. This is what happened and financial infant structures. You almost like wherever the money is going. So in my community, we've formed networks with everybody massage therapist, physical therapist, nutritionist where you can either do like a subscription, which a lot of people are doing now, and you pay into this network, a subscription and it will cover whatever visits almost like an insurance But you're cutting out the insurance, you're cutting out the middleman, this is getting provided directly to whatever group that you're with, or you because a lot of us physicians, we just want to treat the patient, most providers just want to treat the patient. And so we will make something that's reasonable, and that they can afford a lot. And I can speak on physicians, and a lot of these holistic practices are no longer or don't accept insurance, and they're doing their own models, but we have to network and collaborate. Because if I can't offer something, I need to be able to refer that patient to other services that are in our cash pay, holistic integrative network that they can go see. And a lot of patients, believe it or not, are leaving insurance companies and only getting what they need in the event of traumatic or event. Yeah, exactly. And they're paying the doctors and the providers that are providing care for a lot cheaper than paying these high premiums in these high deductibles. So I think that's what needs to be done all over. And that movement has already started.Ari Gronich: That's awesome to hear. I'm so glad to hear that that is going on. And we'll have to make sure that people know how to connect into networks like that, when they listen to the show, so we'll have links and stuff for that as well. So here is a, an off the cuff. Right? So let's say you're not taking insurance, right? I'm taking insurance, you're not taking insurance, you're getting results, I'm not getting results. Alright, so we're just taking a scenario that I think happens quite a lot. So we're going in for weight loss, counseling, weight loss care, right? How much is the difference in cost for say, bariatric surgery compared to a functional medicine approach? And, you know, an average cost, right? So a bariatric surgery costs, how much and then the average approach for functional medicine costs How much?Franchell Hamilton: Well, in the other question, I guess we have to ask is the results, right? So okay. So the first part, so average bariatric surgery probably costs about 20 grand between the hospital and the doctor. And usually the doctor's offices provide all the pre care and a lot of the post care. So about $20,000 functional medicine, typical subscription cost, cost about 100 and 100 to 150 a month. And so let's say 13,000, right? Are there I'm sorry, yeah, sorry, 13 100 a month. So 1300 for the year versus $20,000, for bariatric surgery. So that's a huge cost difference.Ari Gronich: Okay, so now we're going to go to vote who results on both sides. Since you were talking earlier about how many people come back, let's just do that how many people come back after bariatric surgery versus how many people do average, see come back, meeting more care or knowledge or whatever, after going through a functional medicine program.Franchell Hamilton: So with the functional medicine program, it's kind of ongoing, which it's a lot of support. And so people may not come back because they have recurrence of their disease, it's more just maintenance, right? So that's a little so we're not adding money into the system, because we're not treating anything per se anymore. We're just maintenance, right? So that taking into account, my bariatric patient population. For me, I felt like it was at least 50% that needed a revision, which is high considering the cost of a bariatric surgery. So I felt like there was a piece missing there.Ari Gronich: So, is the cost of the revision about the same as the cost of the original?Franchell Hamilton: No, it's significantly higher, significantly higher, because it's more complicated. Anytime you have to go and this is not this is all surgery. Anytime you have to do a revision, your complications increase dramatically. And so the length of stay in the hospital increases dramatically. Like your postdoc, potential complications are higher, like everything is more expensive in a revision surgery.Ari Gronich: Okay. Cost of ongoing care for functional medicine since there really isn't any revisions. But what's the ongoing cost? Oh, it's just the 13. Franchell Hamilton: Yes, your monthly fee. Yeah. Ari Gronich: So on top of the monthly fee, for instance, whatever that is, so they're, you know, they're all programs are different costs, right. So then there's obviously supplement costs, food cost, so people are freaking out. Let's gonna cost me so much money to get healthy. So let's talk about those costs a little bit, how they go high and how they go low, comparatively to what other people are doing. So in bariatric surgery, typically there's medicine medications that they're taking, which have a cost, right? What's the average cost of the medications of maintenance for somebody who's going through the surgical route.Franchell Hamilton: So bariatric surgery, you have to have supplements, they all have to have supplements. And there are specific variadic supplements that most bariatric surgeons or nutritionist, or baria-nutritions provide in the office because that's what the ASMBS, the people kind of write the rules say they need this supplement. And so there's an approval process. And so those supplements are usually about $60 a month for your basic supplements, let alone if you actually have some deficiencies, and then you start adding on and those supplements can range up to 60 to $100 additional a month, not to mention before surgery, there's protein drinks and supplements that you have to do. And after surgery for the first six to eight weeks, there's also protein supplements that people have to stay on to make sure they're getting all the protein that they need. And let me also mention to stay healthy. There are certain foods the bariatric patients have to eat, they eat less, but almost the same healthy foods to stay healthy that people in a maintenance program will need. So that's the bariatric cost, functional medicine cost. They don't have some way, if you don't have bariatric surgery, you don't necessarily have some of the deficiencies that bariatric patients get. So you don't necessarily need all of the supplements. Some people do, right? But very extra patients require us because of the way we rerouted you, you are 100% going to have these deficiencies because of the way the surgery was made. Other functional medicine patients that didn't have the surgery may or may not have those deficiencies, but everybody should be on a basic supplemental regimen that could cost anywhere from 40 to $60 a month. Ari Gronich: So what's the cost of obesity without any intervention at all? Do you know about those what those numbers are the statistics for those numbers.Franchell Hamilton: So because obesity, so let me tell you what obesity cost big picture, because they've looked at different sectors. So obesity caused, apparently 40% of less workdays, obesity in general, because you're obese, you have all of these other chronic problems that come about that people don't even realize that they will get you're sicker. So COVID, for example. I mean, there's so many studies showing obesity alone is reason why there was high death and high hospitalizations with a ventilator. Okay, so outside of that, though, people your immune system is down, you have more missed workdays, or missed work days, which is costing the economy money, you have a higher propensity for diabetes, and all of those medications, hypertension, high cholesterol, depression, anxiety, we don't even care enough to get into the emotional and mental side of what obesity can cause. So overall, they were in this was probably several years ago, when that I saw these numbers, the cost of obesity was taking up about 56% of our total healthcare, that's just for obesity, because of all of the other sub-quella that it has with obesity and this, I use that number because that's the number I used back in the day to try to get bariatric surgery covered because it wasn't covered as readily. It's better, but we still have coverage issues. Ari Gronich: Alright, so, I want to do the numbers because I want people to kind of grasp the gravity, not just of the obesity, just of the cost of bad results, right? You think that it's costing you a lot to go into a physician, a doctor who actually gets the job done? Who is not taking maybe insurance, but is really about caring for you and your patients? Right? And then you go, but I can't afford you. I have to go to where the insurances and then you have to go to 15 people, you have streamlet high expenses. I find it fascinating that somebody can go in for an MRI without insurance and it costs $200 and they go in with insurance and it costs 1600 or 2000, or however much they decide to charge because the whole idea of insurance at the very beginning is we all pay into it. Cool, so that they negotiate better rates for us, right so that they are taking care of those kinds of things. And I think that people are in such a cognitive dissonance about what is really happening in the world around them like, well, they wouldn't, you know, choose money over, over my health, right? They wouldn't allow the system of medicine to be about that. And so there's this disbelief, even though we see after we see after we see the evidence that something is shifty is going on, right.Franchell Hamilton: Yeah, yeah, I agree. And just to kind of piggyback on that, a lot of people think that they're there, it's almost like insurance for them as a security blanket of some sort, when it's actually not doing anything for you. I mean, I get it, I was in that boat too, for a while, like, Oh, we have to have just in case just in case, in, we're pouring 1000s of dollars a month into insurance. And over time, it's changed right now, everybody not only has their high monthly premiums, but they have this huge deductible that they have to pay out. So they're paying high monthly premiums. And then when you come see me or whatever, Doctor, you owe me your deductible, so your insurance is not even covering that they don't kick in until after your deductible is met. Even when I had insurance, I got rid of it myself. You're right, that same scenario happened to me, I needed an MRI, because of my neck. And so I was gonna go and pay insurance. And I had to pay my deductible. They're like, Oh, you need to pay a $2500 deductible. And I was like, pin. And then my therapist, my chiropractor, he ordered it. He was like, you know, I just I know a cash place, go pay cash, and don't tell him you have insurance. And I went there those 350. And I'm like, why when I had insurance, I was gonna have to pay $2500 out of pocket with insurance. I go to another place and say no, I don't have insurance. And I paid 350. Like, what is wrong with this picture, we're actually paying more into the system with insurance than without insurance the same way with physicians, my rate to see me is the same rate that insurance charged for a deductible plan. And so they're not only paying me that, that they're paying, they're also paying their monthly fee, you know, so it's, it's crazy.Ari Gronich: Yeah, it's, it's intriguing to me, but it also intrigues me to the level at which I guess our industry just doesn't even pay attention or explain it or talk about it. Because to me, it's so obvious, right? If the only thing you did, as a scientist, as a medical scientist was look at the numbers of diabetes, of rates of autism, of rates of obesity, of rates of heart disease, right? You would say, Well, shit, we have all this new technology. But the results that we're getting are like 10 times worse than we were getting before we had all this technology. So you'd think that there'd be some cognitive awareness of this? So my question is, how do we bring back the cognitive awareness to people in their own profession? I mean, in their own world, so that it's not incumbent on the patients alone, to have to fight for their right to feel good?Franchell Hamilton: Yeah, yeah, I agree. And that was the problem. And I was a part of this, where I was completely clueless. I was completely clueless, because they didn't teach this to me in school. And I don't know if they taught it at the school you went to but believe it or not, in most healthcare, professional fools, they're not talking about this. And why would they talk about this, because, you know, this could potentially bring down insurance companies or whatever, I was just looking while you were talking, the gross domestic product for our first quarter was $22 trillion. And that's for to 2020. It has gone up, but it's gone up every year. And this was my kind of aha moment. So when I was giving you those numbers, this was probably back in 2018, or 19, when it was a little bit less, but it was still in the trillions. And so if you think 56% of OB takes 56% of that obesity takes up this $18 trillion number, how much we are spending because of obesity, and we're not doing anything. I mean, that was kind of my big thing. Like this person just paid $20,000 for the bariatric surgery, and they're back in here two years later, and now it's going to cost them 35 you know, because they have to have an extra hospital stay because now it's more complicated and the insurance are willing to dish this out. But when I requested that they see counseling or therapy or food addicts? You know, they denied that like, this does not make sense to me why as a country are we willing to spend money on stuff that may only band aid the problem, but we're not willing to spend money on things that will actually resolve the problem? I can't answer that, because I was blind to it also, because I didn't see it. And I don't even know what kind of the only reason why it was brought is because I want it better for my patients. Not everybody is like that some people are just happy going to work collecting, they're checking going home. And if that's the mentality, that they we will always have that system where our head is kind of down. And our blinders are on, because they're going to work the collecting their check, regardless of the healthcare profession. And they're not seeing this bigger picture. I think what helped me is because I was in private practice, I wasn't employed. But a lot of this, if you're in a hospital setting, or an employed setting, honestly, in the defensive providers, it's hard to see, because you have a patient who comes in with diabetes, you have 30 minutes to talk about their nutrition, prescribe some type of medication, and your hospital, or your clinic has already scheduled the next patient for you. So they've got to go. And that's all you see. And so awareness has to come from the people that are doing this, but only if they want to, like me and you talking about it can only help hopefully that helps people kind of think twice, especially providers that have been there in those employees conditions where their employer doesn't see this, they may not see this, you know,Ari Gronich: Right, I just, you know, I look back on this last year, and I go, what an amazing amount of opportunity got lost, because we weren't allowed to talk about building your immune system versus treating a disease, right, we weren't allowed to talk about the ways in which we develop a system that is immune to these kinds of things, because we're so healthy, and our healthy immune system takes care of this stuff like, Good, right. And so I'd like what a missed opportunity we had this last year. The positive, I think is that we've gotten the opportunity a little bit to recognize and to start building the numbers for what you were saying a little earlier, which is look at all the medical intervention that did not happen this year. And the deaths by medicine toll, how much that's dropped. And we'll we might if somebody is actually interested in doing this be able to figure out what really is the cost and the toll death toll wise and cost toll of medical intervention that's unnecessary. what's the overages of what we're doing that we should not be doing? And, and so I'm looking forward to seeing if that gets any play in the community, you know?Franchell Hamilton: Yeah, and I think it will. So I and that's one of the things like in my practice, I never did research. And I'm getting physicians, because I'm like, we need the data, the only way that we're going to be able to beat this thing is the data like in bariatric surgery, which is where I was for so many years, we have data on how bariatric surgery causes a decrease in diabetes, a decrease in hypertension, and how this is saving money, how much obesity is costing America and how we treat this right. So we have those numbers. But then that's it, it drops off, it doesn't talk about or show the aftermath, right? We hadn't even and I think part of it is because people don't want to, we did so much to kind of get it approved. And even my own community is not showing the data afterwards. Because once they get the surgery, that's it. There's no prevention, there's no once their diabetes has resolved. And that's what we're missing the boat. And part of that, believe it or not, is insurance, you're healthy, wanna pay for your one wellness visit a year in your lab work, and that's it. And then patients are left having to what do I do now as they're like medical problems and everything else is slowly increasing. We need data on what prevention does in the big picture. But what we do have data on and this is kind of what I'm trying to educate other physicians about is that every medical disease has increased since the beginning of time since 2000. Diabetes has increased, hypertension and cardiovascular disease has increased obesity has increased, yet, we're supposed to have some of the best health care in America. And we have all these technologies and all these great meds that have come out right these $1,000 meds that are treating epilepsy in cancer and heart disease. But yet the incidence is not going down. The incidence is not going down people because we're not doing prevention, because the focus is not on prevention. This is why the incidence is not going down. And I don't understand why anybody else is not seeing this. They do offer grants, which mean one of the companies that I'm working with digital health company, to increase access to kind of ask these questions, I will tell you what the pandemic I think, like you were alluding to help with open eyes, we had way more deaths than we should have, because of the pandemic because people were not healthy. And if we have the best expensive meds that everybody's paying for in the best health care of all these technologies, why do we have so many deaths, we have more deaths than some other underserved countries. So what, like what's going on there? So we need to start focusing on prevention. And I think, as the whole people are starting to see that now, I've seen more of a shift, kind of towards the end of this pandemic than I've seen before. So I think all of us like you like me, all of us who are like advocates of prevention, now is our time to try to make changes, policy changes come together, educate our other so I'm educating as many physicians as I can I host webinars, you know, conferences, I'm speaking at conferences, in order to cut these to get the word out conferences where it normally wasn't spoken about before. I think at this point, we as a medical society, all providers have to look at this and look at what happened this past year, and start scratching our head like something is not right. It shouldn't make everybody open their eyes this past year. Ari Gronich: Yeah, absolutely, I completely agree. Here's goes to the system, but it goes towards the fear side. So, yes, there are a lot of physicians like you who were blinded for a lot of years. But there's also a lot of physicians who have felt threatened. Right. So I'll give two examples. One is just there's approximately 70 plus holistic health practitioners who have been found, murdered, suicide, whatever, in like a very short period of time, it was like in a three year period of time, there was like 70, some odd, holistic health practitioners, many of them working on vaccine stuff, like the research and in vaccines, kind of interesting, because that ended right before COVID. And I didn't actually put that together until just now, but it's just a thing. So that and then the amount of like, we had a gynecologist in Orlando, who I met at a functional medicine training. And she had gotten, basically, her business completely shut down, she had gotten investigated by the AMA, she had gotten shut down by insurance companies, because what they consider to be the standard of care is if you're going into a gynecologist, you have four sessions that you could go in, where you either have to be prescribed a medicine or a procedure, if one of those two things is not done in four sessions, all of a sudden, you're not practicing in the standard of care. And she did that with a lot of her patients, because she was actually treating them holistically for whatever the ailments were that they were having. And so she had to, I mean, lose her entire practice. And so the fear factor, the only way, in my opinion, to alleviate fear is to become bigger than the bully. And the only way to become bigger than the bully is to get loud. And to bring a crowd. That's kind of where I'm looking at what you're wanting to do what I'm wanting to do a little bit. And so I want to talk to you about that. What do you say to those doctors who are doing frontier medicine, that are on the fringes of, of the new frontier? Really, it's frontier medicine for reason. They're doing the things that are getting the results that are currently not in the standard of care,they're afraid. What do you what do we tell them?Franchell Hamilton: So, you know, it's really unfortunate that this is happening. And that has happened to me, I've been under investigation, because I didn't want to practice the way other people were practicing. So I've been through it. And I think one of the things is you have to, from a physician standpoint, data will help you a provider standpoint. So if you can show data that it's working, that will help you in a courtroom, for example, the other thing is, in every provider knows this a consent and making sure your patients understand. So I've gotten sued, and I've gotten investigated, and I've gotten dissolved, like dismissed because I have consents, and I tell them, this is the way we're practicing. And honestly, at this point, I even tell them, if you don't like this practice, you know, there's other people that are practicing other ways. But this is the way we're going to do it in order to get you to your surgery, or in order to get you to your weight loss goal, because this is what I found has worked. And it's not your typical medicine. And so I make sure they all my patients sign a consent. And I have data. So I didn't put it in a research form. But my EMR tracks, right, you can track the bloodwork, you can track the weight, you can track there's so many different ways to track it without doing an official study. And so I didn't do a study. And that's why I'm encouraging my doctors that I kind of talked to, let's all put data together that shows and then publish it. We need to put data together and we need to publish it. And believe it or not, this is the way medicine used to be practiced. You experimented, you experimented. And that's how breakthroughs came. And now stuff is so regulated in the United States. I go to these international conferences, and some of these European countries are so far ahead of us, because it needs to be regulated. Let me not like take that away. But I mean, come on, you know, how do you think polio was discovered the vaccine for polio? I mean, some of these things were through experiments, and as long as you explain to the patient whoever you're treating, this is the way I'm going to do things, you have data showing their cholesterol numbers are going down. Because this I'm treating with tumeric. And I don't want to treat them with a static drug, you know what I'm saying. But I'm still getting the same results as your stat and drug by doing the things that I've, they do yoga twice a week, meditate every day for 10 minutes, and I'm giving them tumeric. And this is their cholesterol numbers, right? That will hold up in any investigation or suit as long as you can keep that data. So that's what I would tell to the doctors who are going through this, or providers, because I've been through it and I had that I had my data, I had consent. And I'm not giving up. If this is something that you're passionate about, then what you need to do is start bringing people in with you grabbing people that you know, that's also practicing this because as he stated, you stated, I mean, we're bigger in numbers. So now, a lot of my colleagues are no longer unfortunately, my surgical colleagues, but they're my colleagues that are practicing very similar to what I do. So guess what, when one of them gets investigated, they're gonna call me or their lawyer can call me as a witness or one of us, and I will write letters on their behalf, I will witness to them on behalf, we are much stronger, like you said, and numbers. That's the only way. I don't even know if we can do it with money, because I know this is completely off the topic, but that whole COVID vaccine thing. There was definitely money involved. I don't Bill Gates, I mean, all of a sudden, you know that some of that stuff seemed a little questionable, to be honest. Um, I there was money involved. We don't A lot of us don't have Bill Gates money, you know what I'm saying? So the only way we can kind of start defeating This is by speaking up, don't feel like don't let investigators, lawyers states, like, close your voice down. Because if you're doing things the right way, they can't do it. I mean, it's frustrating. And it's depressing during the time because I went through it. But if you're doing things the right way, you're getting your consents, you're slogging your data, they can't shut you down. I mean, they can't.Ari Gronich: Yeah, I've never been investigated. But I'm, I'm not a physician. Franchell Hamilton: It's higher among us because, you know, physicians, everybody's like, oh..Ari Gronich: There's more scrutiny, which is part of why I want to talk to that side of medicine, because, you know, I watch Zeedog MD, for instance. And he talks a lot about the moral dilemma that physicians are having, because they're being told to practice in a way that is not equivalent to the reason why they got into business, right, why they got into the industry. And I don't remember the exact term that he calls it the moral, something moral injury, it's moral injury. And knowing that he feels that way, he and I disagree, obviously, on a lot of the vaccine things and what he considers science and what I consider to be clinical evidence are very different. But I like the fact that he's willing to have the conversations and so like, I would want to have a conversation with him. And you. And then maybe Dave Asprey, you know, who knows, like somebody who's completely on the other side of the pie, and has his own science to back up what he's saying. And I'd love to have these kinds of discussions regularly with it, like within view of the world, right, so that people can see the differences, how much more similar they really are than differences, and then how we get to a kind of a consensus for practicing medicine in a way that actually gets the results that we want. Because really, that's at the end of the day, the only thing that matters, right?Franchell Hamilton: Yeah, I agree. And, and to talk about his moral injury, I mean, everybody talks about a kind of in the medical field, burnout, right? Like burnout is all of a sudden, significantly higher than perhaps 20, 30 years ago, you didn't really hear about it that much. I never heard about burnout in med school, like you know, or other people getting burned out. And that is why burnout is so high, because there's this mismatch on what a lot of providers or healthcare workers want to do. And what's happening even in nurses and you've probably talked to some nurses too, like I have worked with so many nurses who are just burnt out. And the reason they're burned out, most nurses are hospital employed, or for some type of facility employed, and that's not what they want it to do. That's not the way they wanted to practice. They truly want to help people. You know what I'm saying? And then you start to see like, we're not getting the results. We're not doing what I wanted to do, and that's where the burnout come, I got burned out because there was this mismatch in what I want it to do and what was happening. And boy did it hit hard. And so that's the reason so many healthcare workers are getting burned out is because we all live in a system where they're saying healthcare is this, and a lot of us are waking up and realizing, but that's not helping, you know. And so if there needs to be a revolution in healthcare, and I'll be the first to talk to whoever will hear me talk about this revolution, because we're not getting the job done. Our medical problems are increasing,and we're not doing anything about them.Ari Gronich: And so for me, I feel like right now we're on a 19, or like an 1890s 1800, steam train. Right, and we're going Chug, chug, chug. And what I'm wanting to see is Ilan Musk's mag train going through the boring tunnels, right? And so bridging the gaps, I'm going to go really far back to where we were at the beginning of that conversation, bridging the gaps between the speed at which change looks like it wants to happen, because of the powers that be, and the possibility of what can happen if we have the movement with a leader that is like an Elan Musk, that is like, somebody who's there going, Okay, we're about to do this thing. Let's go, there's no option no stop in us, you know, like Kennedy saying, we're going to the moon by the end of the decade. There's no question, like, make that happen. Right. So if we were to do that, what do you see the steps are to making that happen faster? If you could, like, if you could imagine a sped-up version of what you thought was gonna happen? And then we could kind of plan that out? What would that look like?Franchell Hamilton: So kind of, like you said, We need somebody who's already well known, already well recognized, to be an ear. And, and to also identify and be on the same page as what this movement is about. And to be honest, I think I think we have a couple candidates. And Amazon, for example, they announced a couple years ago, they're over the way the healthcare is being practiced, and they want it to do their own health care, you model, you know, and so these big corporations, I just saw thing about JP Morgan, they want to do, you need to find these companies, we all need to find these companies who want these big changes and who get it right. And then we need them to help us because they already have the clout, they already have the ear of America, to kind of say, this is what needs to happen. Oprah would be a great person, I'm still working on that, I'm gonna get up, I'm still working on that. So somebody like that, who's like, this is the way we need to change the way healthcare is done. And then she will have this movement of people who was already on board. So I think that's what we need to kind of bridge the gap, somebody who has the power in that can be a listening ear to all of these, our voices to say, and they don't even have to do it, right. There's enough of us on the ground level that can take it where it needs to go. But we need somebody who's going to listen and help kind of drive this force, because right now, you have the providers and all the providers and we're a big force if we work together, but we need somebody bigger, honestly, to be able to kind of compete, because once we do that, and when we do this, we're competing with the big pharma companies. We're competing with insurance companies, we're competing with a lot of Congress and Senate, people who honestly, they all have nice pockets, and they don't want things to change, to be honest. So you have to have somebody who has as much power with the crowd who can come back that because right now we have work competing with pharma, and insurance come billion and trillion dollar companies who likes everything to stand or wraps. If I publish an article or almost like some of those healthcare workers you were talking about, there's people more powerful than us, that can make things disappear. You know, so we need someone or a group of powerful people who understand the way healthcare is who have nothing to lose, and they can compete with those bigger companies. So that's what we need. I'm actively working on getting bigger companies involved when the digital company that I'm working with is talking to Walmart. I just got an email a couple days ago saying JP Morgan is looking for a change. So when we get This is part of the digital health arena, because this is also how we can reach more people, right? So once we see these us on this level need to jump on that, and how do we get at least in the door with their whoever their health and wellness coordinator is right, every major company has one of those, you have to start with that and then maybe move your way up.Ari Gronich: Unfortunately, not every single major company has one of those. You know, that's kind of my part of my bailiwick, like I was 18, starting three of the first corporate wellness programs in the country, because my school backed up to Intel, Nike and Tektronix, in Beaverton, Oregon, and I was like, Oh, well, we need to bring people to our clinic. So let's just bring our clinic to them. I've done a lot of corporate wellness programs, a lot of consulting with companies. And unfortunately, the majority still do not have a corporate wellness program, what they have what they consider to be that is, they have a health fair twice a year, or they have a few booths with vendors, and then they give flu shots. And maybe they have an on-call psychologist, you know, where you call in to psychology department or something. But yeah, the creating a complete culture of wellness and accompany is definitely one of my bailiwick's that I wish I had more companies that would say, yes, easily to that possibility. But I do agree that the company's you know, here's the thing, following the money are the companies tied to the insurance companies in any way other than that, and typically they are through investment. And because the investment is from the insurance companies, it's really hard for them to do anything that's really going to get their employees well, so they could do a lot of treatment stuff, a lot of educational stuff, not a lot of policies in place to make it happen. And that's definitely an area where I would like to see shifted and changed. You know, we were talking a little bit earlier, you said, you know how burnout is I remember going into good Samaritan Hospital back in the late 90s, and early 2000s. And they still were on 30 something hour shifts. So they, you know, if you got a surgery at the 28th hour, and it was a 15 hour surgery, you were on for 40 something hours, I mean, some of the most unhealthy people I ever met. And it was a shame, because there's some of the kindest, most loving, giving people, get treated really poorly. And so that's part of the thing is, if we made the system a little bit better, and people were less sick, then the health care workers would have less moral injury, because they'd be doing the thing that they signed up for. And people would be treating them? Well, because they're not the what I would call the sounding board for the administration, for the insurance companies, they're, you know, like, the physicians, the providers have been the sounding board for all the complaints of their patients instead of who's really at fault, or who's really, you know, at cause. So let's, let's wrap up with, I want some positives in this as well, as far as like, I want, you know, things that the audience can do immediately if, especially if they're physicians, but if they're not, that they could do immediately to shift the way that they're getting health care. And some of those behaviors and mindset more to prevention versus, you know, reaction.Franchell Hamilton: Yeah. And, you know, I'll piggyback to and I'll make sure I answer that, because we are kind of like this digital health company that I'm working with. And I have a couple of investments in a couple of them. And there have been some leeway on that area, because a lot of them want kind of digital health. And they have the way we're pitching it to them. Kind of like what I started earlier is if your employees are healthier, they can give you more work days, they don't have to have as much time off from work they don't have so it's benefits you to kind of implement these wellness programs. And so like I said, we have entered into Walmart which surprisingly their chief health officer is very open to the idea of integrative changes. We're still Working with we're working with them. And then other companies such as share-care, which are kind of in a lot of there are people in there are people making, we're making some leeway. But you're right about the train, right, it's Chugga chugga. But I will say at least it's not stopped, like, we're, we're moving, we're moving along slowly, I think it needs to get implemented much quicker. But because of a lot of the regulations, and the pocket, the insurance has such deep roots with so many companies like you just did it, like they're investing in other companies. And that kind of keeps everything at bay and kind of this vicious cycle. It's gonna take some time, but I think a lot of people's eyes kind of got opened after this pandemic. One of the things for physicians, I would say, in order to shift this mindset, if you feel like remember the reason why you went into medicine, first of all, and if you feel like when you see your patients on a regular basis, they're not improving, you have to consider why what other factors maybe the reasons for them not improving, and honestly, you'll give my information out. But this is kind of one of the things that I do now I help physicians kind of help figure this out, because they're all getting frustrated. And so it's like, let's take a look at how the way your practice is set up. And your assessment as a physician, we need to ask patients more questions, right? Like we I'm over the, what's your chief complaint, family history, medical history? Do you smoke? Like, that's fine, we'll get all that. But we need to truly ask our patients, how are they doing? Like, how are you doing? Like, we need to get a feel of where they are at emotionally, mentally. And to be honest, that takes up a lot of time. So physicians that are employed may not want to do that, then create an assessment that does it create a questionnaire that acts that you'd be surprised if you're seeing diabetic patients. When I switched up my questions the way I asked the questions instead of just prescribing them a regimen. Let's take diabetes, for example. They come in and I'm like, oh, you're diabetic? Here is a med or insulin. And here is your nutrition or diet that you're supposed to be on? I'll see you in two to three weeks, right? You need to start asking, Can they even afford that? To be honest? What do they normally like to eat, you almost need to cater more to the patient and work with them as a partner, not as like a doctor kind of throwing out orders and then you expect them to do it. One of the reasons why our healthcare is not working is because we're putting demands on patients. And then we expect them to do that. And then when they come back the expectations aren't there. And then we were like, Well, why is your numbers not down? or Why didn't you exercise? or Why? And we didn't even ask them? How are they doing? How do can even do what we're asking them to do? That needs to be your question, if you're going to prescribe them some type of treatment plan, and it doesn't even have to be a medication you need to ask your patient, do you think you can do this? What do you think you can do to help bridge the gap? This is my goal for you. And this is where you are. So here are some options as the physician, what are some things that you think you can do for us to help bridge the gap? That needs to be the question you ask not just medical history, here is what the American Heart Association, American Diabetes Association says. And I'll see you in three weeks. So that is what I want to offer to providers in general, nutritionist, therapists, chiropractors, I mean, there's several people, we're all in this trying to defeat this together, show them help them understand they have to understand so many patients don't even understand go to their doctor, and then they don't even know why they're started on this or what medical problem they have. That was always so frustrating for me. Make sure your patient understands what they have. I mean, come on, you know, that's number one, and then make sure they understand what your goal is for them. Right as the physician or provider, what is your goal, and then you guys have to work together to meet in the middle. That's number one. Number two for the patient. Patients need to demand more, you need to demand better. And I have told my patients to like what do you want x? What do you want patient just like the same way physicians need to provide Why did I Why am I in medicine, if it's to collect a check, you're in the wrong field, go to admin. If you're doing patient care, you need to meet in the middle with your patient and for my patients. They're so quick to just go in, get their meds or get their refills and then leave and I'm like you need to demand more. This is your health. This is your body. This is your mind, body soul. What do you want for your mind, body and soul, I always tell my patients health is not absence of disease, you need to be whole healthy whole socially, mentally and in the body. So when you think of you need to think of health that way. And if you feel like you are not getting what you need, you need to start looking for ways to get what you need. So much stuff is done virtually now. So even if your primary care doctor, they provide her meds or whatever, but they're not, but you feel like you're not getting some of the other things that you need. Go online. There's a whole host of integrative you can use integrative medicine, lifestyle, medicine, functional medicine, you can use those terms and find people that you can treat virtually the pandemic has helped people like me treat people all over. So we're not limited now to just I'm not limited to just Dallas Fort Worth, I can treat people all over, you know what I'm saying. And so for patients, if you feel like when you're leaving your physician office, and you're not getting what you want out of that you need to find another physician, you're not married to that physician, and you need to consider if your insurance won't cover it, paying out of pocket long term to pay for your health, your health is an investment, it is the most important investment you will ever make. It is more important than your house, your car, what other people spend on money, your health is more important. So spending an extra 100 or 200 a month is nothing that's groceries or half of groceries for most people, you know what I'm saying? So you need to take time and invest in your health, that's the most important investment. You cannot have joy, peace, happiness, and all these other things that we strive to have or even help others if your health is compromised. So spend the investment. So those were kind of the closing points that I would tell both those patients and physicians.Ari Gronich: One last closing point is what would you say to the system as it is? As it's going away?Franchell Hamilton: That's a good question. Um, I would say that for sure the current system, we, we need to make changes we need what we're doing is not working. And I would be happy to see a transformation in our healthcare system to something that's going to resolve medical problems. So I am happy to see it go away in order to revolutionize healthcare and heal our patients in America. So that's and I feel like our current medical system is actually preventing us from being able to actually heal, not just treat that heal and resolve medical problems and make people truly healthy the definition of health.Ari Gronich: Awesome. Thank you so much for being here. I am so glad to have you on. And I know that the audience has gotten a lot out of this conversation, hopefully enough that they'll start acting upon it. We can all create a new tomorrow and activate our vision for a better world. Thank you so much for being here. I appreciate you having me. Thank you. Got it. Thank you so much. Audience I appreciate you listening in. This is our garage and it&#

JB Braden, Founder of Beyond the Field CoachingIs a certified coach who specializes in working with Entrepreneurs, Corporate Leadership Teams and Business leaders helping you develop superior presentation skills and exceptional leadership skills! Teaching you how to craft a Signature Talk specifically designed to inspire, engage, educate and convert your prospects to clients.Giving you the tools and techniques to master the art of public speaking!Training you to communicate your message more effectively.Helping You "Speak with a Purpose"Giving leaders the tools necessary to develop strong leadership teams.================================================Ari Gronich (0:14):Welcome back to another episode of Create a New Tomorrow, I amyour host Ari Gronich. And today, I have with me another one of the Achieve alpha leaders.Achieve Systems is an organization that I've been part of about 14 years. And today I havewith me JB Braden, he is an inspirational speaker, trainer and speaker coach, he actually forachieved does the speaker trainings helps people get on stages, get their voices out there inthe world. JB I'm gonna let you talk a little bit about your background. But let's just kind ofgo through a little bit, you're a certified life coach, or certified business coach really is lifebusiness, same thing. You work with entrepreneurs, corporate teams, business leaders, inteaching them how to develop superior presentation skills, teaching them how to craft theirsignature presentation, I'd like to talk a little bit about that specifically. And, you know, yourmission here is to impact empower the lives of millions of people, and inspire them to createextraordinary success, teaching them how to think live and lead and win like a champion. SoJB, welcome to the show, let's, let's tell the audience a little bit about your background,because I know you didn't kind of start out the same place that you've ended up and thenwe'll get into like, why achieve, why you, why achieve and some of that stuff. So, take itaway.JB Braden (1:45):Yeah, sure, man. Thank you for having me on. It's always a pleasure toconnect with you and, and see you. So, thank you for that. But a little bit about me, as yousaid, I'm a certified coach, certified, and I specialize in working with leaders, executivesuccess teams. My goal is to create success in people's lives, create success in my life, andto teach people how to create success in their lives. And to do it in a sustainable way. So, Iwork with leadership teams, I work with entrepreneurs, because I'm also a speaker, coach,as you mentioned. And I've been speaking for well over 20 years. And I've been coachingspeaker's half that time. And so, when I met Robert, a few years, about four years ago, wecreated the speak with a purpose workshop, that I use to help people put together trainingfor a speaking for their marketing tool for their business, as well as a signature presentation.So, I do a lot of that. But yeah, that's a little bit about what I love to do what I'm called to do,and a little bit about me, I was born, I was born and raised in Alabama, but I live in Coloradonow. Now, I was raised by a single mom. And she one of the things that she taught megrowing up was, she taught me a couple of things. One of the things that she taught me Ariwas, you know, treat people the way you want to be treated. And that those words shall helpshape my life. And it helped me find my calling and my gift, and my gift and calling to speakinto other people's lives and empower them. And so that's what I do.Ari Gronich (3:29):Nice. So, I like that. Here's my thing about it, right? We always say thatthis golden rule of treat other people the way you want to be treated. But here's the thing.And as a healer, you notice this as somebody who's in business, you hear all the self-talk asa business coach and life coach. People don't treat themselves very well know that, right?Yeah, I don't want to be treated the way I treat myself, the way the right, you know, I wantto be treated the way I treat others, right. So, I think the golden rule needs a little shifting.But I do like the premise of the golden rule, which is that we want to treat people like our kinlike but then I go okay, but kin, you know, family, we don't treat our families very well.James Braden (4:27):Right, right. Yeah. Well, it's so interesting you say that Ari becauseI've actually, you know, that was the basis for a lot of things that I do. And I actually tookthat, that what people call the golden rule and elevate it, you know, so it's not just treatedpeople the way you want to be treated, but treat people the way they want to be treated.You know, and then and it really comes down to this, you know, my mom's you know, treatpeople with respect, you know, and respect is earned, but she also another thing that shetaught me was people are people you know, doesn't matter what color we are, how tall orshort we are, how much money we have, we don't have, you know, we're all people and weall deserve to be treated with respect. And, you know, that's how I live my life. And, youknow, by doing that, you know, I treat people, I take that, like I say that one step further totreat people the way they want to be treated. And the only way you can treat people theway they want to be treated, is you, you have to do something, you have to spend time toget to know them. Okay? That's what am saying, and that was one of the key things is you,we're all individuals, you know, and so get to know a person for who they are. And Iremember being in high school man, and, you know, people would go around me, they'd saystuff about people and say this and say that, and I was always debunking, I'm like, Look,man, I don't know that person. So, I'm not gonna sit here and, and chat with you anythingabout that person. But I would go out of my way to get to know a person for myself, youknow, and that's the challenge that I have for a lot of people get to know people for whothey are, make your own damn opinion. And then, you know, and then you know, how totreat those people treat them the way they want to be treated?Ari Gornich (6:08):Yeah, you know, it's interesting, we definitely, and this goes back tobusiness as well as life in general, relationships in general, is the assumptions that we makeon how a person is or who a person is based on the stories that we've heard of them. And Idon't know about you, I've met a lot of people in my life, that other people might say, thatperson is this or that person is that or this person has this stereotype or, or because of their,you know, color. I mean, I had roommates that are were Palestinian Muslims. I was like, mysister, you know, like my family. And, and I was all you know, you can't be friends with thosepeople. You know, doesn't matter what people they are. Right? can't be friends with thosepeople. I was the guy when I was growing up, that parents said, you can't be friends withhim. He's a bad influence. So, I never, ever wanted to do that to another human being.Right. So, I agree with you like, getting to know somebody. But you know, it's funny. Mybuddy, AJ Ali is a documentary film producer. And he's actually Robert knows him and hewrote a movie, did a movie called Walking Wall Black, Love is the answer. It's a fantasticdocumentary. He's just been shown it to police and homeland security all over the countryto deal with the lack in police, black and blue issues, you know, really is the black and blue.And love is the answer is an acronym. And the first letter is the L right? And what is that Lstands for is learn about your neighbors. Learn about who it is that is next door to you, learnabout the people that you live near. Go and introduce yourself. There used to be a time inthis country, when you moved into a neighborhood and you had five neighbors bringing youbrownie and things and welcoming you to the neighborhood. We don't do that kind of thinganymore. But God, what a what a benefit. It would be if we kept doing that if we chose tolearn about our neighbors and our people.JB Braden (8:36):Yeah, now I agree with you. I think that's the one key that's missing, youknow. Part of my background and speaking as I spoke, I've spoken a lot of high schools,right. And one of the programs that I spoke for, that I do still do some speaking for, but I dida lot of speaking for in the past as an organization called Rachel's challenge, right. RachelScott was the first person killed on the Columbine tragedy. And after she died, her father,they her family discovered that she had a goal to start a chain reaction of kindness. So, hecreated this program to take into schools to challenge the students has challenged thefaculty to start a chain reaction of kindness. Okay, well, you treat people with kindnesswhere you stopped excluding people. And so, I say the reason I bring that up is because it'skind of stems to what you just said, getting to know people, you know, a lot of times likeright now the day we're in a big world of social media right now. Right? And so, but we're abig social media and so, you know, a lot of people they are, all about how many friends do Ihave on Facebook. But I've always said this, and I used to say this to the students that Iwould speak to, social media is great. But it doesn't replace social interaction. Okay, truesocial interaction. And here's what I believe some people may disagree with this. But willyou remember you and I are about the same age. And so, when we're in school, when we'rein school, when we had a beef with someone, we would go to them and we would talk it out.Okay. And sometimes we will come to blows. But then we would hug and we would make up,right?Ari Gronich (10:26):Yeah. Usually, the people who got in the biggest fights became thebest of friends right afterwards. And that was because not only did they confront the issuedirectly, instead of withholding it and bottling it up and all that. But you know, it was like,when you go toe to toe with somebody, you gain a level of respect, regardless of outcome.JB Braden (10:55):You gain a lot of respect. That's correct. And sometimes it works out.Well, you become closer, sometimes you don't. But the bottom line is you dealt with thatissue, as opposed to, as you said, letting it fester. Okay. And then you had those. So, whathappens now is people hide behind social media, okay. And they think that's theirconnection to people. And what has happened in our society, is there's a loss of how peopleshould, people don't know how to really build true connection, connection that lasts alifetime connection that changes, you know, changes people, changes generation,connection that when you're going through something so hard, and so terrible. Becausewe're disconnected these days, it's easier for somebody to pick up a gun, and go blast abunch of people that they don't know. But when they have, I feel like when you have a trueconnection with people, when you have that connection, it can help eliminate that. Becausenow you got some people that you can rely on, because this world is hard man, which is whyI'm calling to do what I do to be able to help empower people and inspire people and pickpeople up and let people know that you'll have to live by yourself. It's struggling to getpeople around you that can help you.Ari Gronich (12:18):It's funny, they did a documentary, I think it was Michael J. Fox, whodid this documentary called happy. And they, they were studying what made people happythroughout the world. And they found that the happiest place on earth was this town, inTibet, in the Himalayas. And they actually don't measure gross domestic product GDP, theydon't measure that they measure Gross National Happiness GNH, how happy their society isas a whole. And that's a measurement that they actually use in order to determine if theirsociety is being successful or not. And they found that, that these societies, this one,especially the biggest difference, and this happens in all the Blue Zones, as well, thecenturion, places where they're living over 100 years old, is that the biggest similarity is notdiet, it's not anything other than connection with other human beings. They are a family,they are a community to the true sense of the word, they take care of each other. Theydon't let somebody fester in depression. If somebody is depressed, they surround them.They don't try to fix them by the way, that's the other thing that they do not do, they do nottry to fix them. They just surround them and let them know that they are the support at anypoint, right? They are. They are the they're the wall. They're the rock. And that's the biggestthing that I think we're missing in this world because, as you said, everybody's on socialmedia, but there's such an anonymity to saying fuck you to somebody on text versus sayingit to their face. There's such an anonymity to destructive behavior that you would never doin person. You can do because why, there's a text box and a screen between you.JB Braden (14:29): Yeah, I think social media gives people a soft, a false sense ofconfidence. They'll say things. They'll say things on social media they wouldn't dare say andother people in front of people's face. You know, I call the keyboard bully is what I call it.Okay. And because I mean, I can remember being in high school if we had something to sayto somebody would say it to their face, and we wouldn't say it, you know, then we'd hash itout. But people now man they just, we got a bunch of keyboard bullies out They, have afalse sense of security and false sense of confidence that I'll say what I want to say. But theywon't say it in front of your face. If you were sitting face to face to him, they wouldn't daresay it, because they don't have the balls to say it, you know, and so nor because it's justdifferent, when you have a human connection, we have such a disconnect in our world now.And a lot of that is because people think they are friends on social media. And that's not the,we've lost the sight of what a true friend is, without looks like.Ari Gronich (15:35): So, let's kind of take this back to a slightly different, different angle.And that angle is going to be, in all of this noise and all of this social media noise and all ofthe things that we have to experience millions and millions and billions and billions andtrillions of bits of data more than our primal history, even 40 years ago, is able tocomprehend I mean, the amount of technology has increased so drastically that we're inliterally adrenal shock, on 100%, daily basis, just in the amount of things that our body andour senses are taking in. So, in all of this noise, and all of this stuff, right? We're gonna go tothat signature presentation, how does somebody step out of that noise and become heardbecome seen? Because to me, I have this saying, a bully's best friend is silence. Silence is abully's best friend. How does one break out of the noise so that they get heard when theyare talking? Because what you've said is true, that people are holding back and notspeaking, at least not in person. But the other part is that when they are speaking, they'renot being heard. They're not being listened to. They're not being seen. And so, in business,and in life, right, we all need that be seen, and you do this signature presentation, which Ibelieve is one of the ways but why don't you talk about this a little bit? How does somebodystep out of the noise?JB Braden (17:27):That's very good question. And when I when I want to teach and talkabout the signature presentation, there's two key components that we look at. And we willmake sure that no matter which clients, we're working with the two key questions that weasked them Ari, and one of them is who's your target audience? Okay. And so first of all, yougot to be clear on who your target audience is, you find the right target audience, you'regoing to be heard. Okay. So that's the first thing. And then the second question that wealways ask is, what's the problem that you solve for your target audience? Right? That's veryimportant. Because if you don't understand the problem, you solve that you can'tcommunicate that problem to your target audience. But you want to talk about being heard.When you get in front of the right audience with the right message, you know, deliveringand communicating the problem that you can solve their problem, whatever the problem orproblems maybe, then you will be heard. Okay. And so that's, that's how you can find yourvoice. That's how you can be heard by speaking to the right audience, and communicatingto them that you can solve their problem. Does that make sense?Ari Gronich (18:46):Yeah, absolutely. The I guess the question becomes, you know, I feellike, let's say, I've been in this industry, 27 years, right. And there's been times when I'vehad a really fantastic booming career with athletes and actors and A list celebrities andpeople who, you know, that was my target market back then I was living in Los Angeles thatwas those were the people that I was looking for, right? And then and then 911 happens,and all the studios shut down. Right. And so, I didn't really know who my target market wasand so nothing that I was saying was getting out to the world. So, I'm kind of, I'm kind ofplaying this, this scenario, so that the audience maybe can get an idea of how it plays out.Once I figured out Okay, my target audience now is gonna be just the athletes. I'm no longergoing to be doing studio work, because the studios are shut down. So where do I go right?And so back then there wasn't really internet, you know, is web TVs and maybe a little AOLand prodigy with some chat rooms. But I'm taking myself, you know, I remember my 486sXcomputer that was this big. Right? I'm here and I'm going okay, so what do I do to get thesepeople? So, my target audience was high end athletes, Olympic guys, right? So, what did Ido? I was living near Muscle Beach. And so, I go down to Venice to Muscle Beach to theGold's Gym. And I could pick two or three athletes out of that place at will, because I knewmy business, and I was going to where my target was, right? so I got heard. And then I went,you know, there was another crisis, right? And, and so I didn't know who my target audiencewas. And then, and then the 2008. And I had at that point, I had just bought a house is amillion-dollar house in LA, right. I'm like, now my house is worth 600,000. All of my clientswho were high end at the time business profile, people, lost their hedge funds, lost theirhouses lost their shirts and all of a sudden, you got to pick up and who's my target audiencenow. So, this is not, what I guess what I'm getting at is one, the stories that might help theaudience get to a place where they, okay, I can re-assess my audience, but also letting themknow, yes, you can. This is a living thing. Right? This isn't static. And so, people, the biggestI think thing I hear when I hear people talking to you, and you tell them to niche down is, butI serve everybody.JB Branden (23:41):Yeah, and I've heard that before. And if you serve, if you serveeverybody, then you wouldn't be struggling for clients. There's no such thing. You know, oneof the things that T Harv Eker says in his millionaire marketing course is, your ideal clients,are clients who are willing to work with you, okay, your ideal clients are not everyone, andquite frankly , when you think about it Ari, you don't want to work with everyone. Okay. Andthen think about you think about Nike, you think about some of the big companies out there,okay. They don't target everyone. But they know who their target market is. They know whotheir demographics is. And that's what they target. Now that does people outside of theirtarget market, purchase their things? Absolutely. But that's not who they go after. And that'llhappen. And so, the people that say that, you know, I target everybody. That's where you'remissing out. Because you when you target everybody, then you're targeting no one. Okay?Because no, we all don't have the same problems. All right. And so how can you get clear onthe problem you solve, when you assume that everybody in the world has that problem thatyou solve, that's not the case. And so, the two go hand in hand, if you think about it, it's notjust the target audience, but it's also the problem that you solve for that target audience.They both go hand in hand. And when you understand that, and you understand both ofthem together, then you understand. You're target audience is not everyone.Ari Gronich (23:41):Right. So, as you know, I'm a solutions guy. And every time I talk toyou, one of the fun things that that I have is that you're a solutions guy, too. You're not,you're like, I don't want to talk about the problem. Let's get to a solution. Let's get to wherewe can fix this. Let's get to the, you know, the meat. And so, I have this new saying that Icame up with recently and it's “I want to stop gathering to complain and start collaboratingto succeed”. Right, that's what we want to do in life. We want to stop gathering to complainand start collaborating to succeed. And one of the things that Achieve Systems does iscollaboration at a scale hardly ever seen in the industry, right? So, we bring together healthprofessionals, fitness professionals, nutrition, I mean speaking coach, visibility, marketing,all these things, we collaborate, right. So, what is the one thing that you found as a benefitto collaboration versus competition and why Achieved Systems kind of excels in that arena?JB Braden (24:56):Oh, wow. The biggest benefit is perspective and experience fromothers and support. Think about this. Most entrepreneurs, they feel like they're out there bythemselves all alone. Okay. And being an entrepreneur being a business owner, it's like aroller coaster ride when you agree. And so when you have a community where you cancollaborate with people, on those times where you're stuck, where you're dealing with fear,where you're dealing with limiting beliefs, when you have when one of the things that what Icall it the surrounding yourself with ass Kickers, right? Okay. So when you have that, whenyou surround yourself with those ass Kickers, those people that you collaborate with, andyou're going through those tough times, is easier to pull yourself out of it, because you gotyou because you have their strength as well as your strength working together, which is howit's meant to be, you know, so for me, the biggest thing about Achieve is having thatcommunity of people that will not let you let yourself down, does not allow that you letyourself down, you know, if it is that you find yourself going a different direction, because aslong as you're in lockstep with the people that achieve, then you will, you will succeedbecause that's what we, we want you to succeed. And so that collaboration is like is like thatforce of energy moving forward. And that's the that's the most important thing, man.Ari Gronich (26:34):Yeah, I want to add to that it's not just the support, because, youknow, there's a lot of mastermind groups, and there's a lot of, you know, inner circles andsupport groups. Right. And I don't really like to think of achieve as a support group forbusiness owners, right. I think of it as a place where you can get the support, yes, you couldget the actual help, not just the advice, not just the support, not just the advice, not just thehelp, but you can actually find partners and people to collaborate with directly to build otherretreats and build products and build other things with I mean, I've had the honor of writingthe foreword for two people or two books, writing a chapter in another book for achievedmembers, right? That's area where I'm supporting them, but also collaborating andpartnering with them. So where are some of the places I know you have? where some of theplaces that you've collaborated? To make a successful exit, so to speak with an achievemember?JB Braden (27:52):Oh, yeah, no, those are good questions. Um, we have a whether it beworking with a group with a mastermind. That's always good. One of the things that I love is,that's a good collaboration is I'm part of the achieve leads group, okay. And I actually call itachieve mastermind group, but we work together, helping each other, cultivate and findleads. And so, that collaboration, is like you said, it's not just about the support, but it's also,what I've learned from it, is the different approaches, the different perspective that peopletake, you know, but also, you meet people that you would never have never met. And that'swhat I love about it, when you collaborate, you can introduce to let's just say, of you and I,and some of the people that I've collaborated with, in achieve, I've had the opportunity toget to know people on their network, and they've had an opportunity to get to know peopleare in my network. So, collaboration, when you collaborate with other people, then you havethe opportunity to also connect other people to collaborate, that's what I found. So, it's likekind of building on it. And so being a being a part of achieves, leads group, I've been able todo that, and have that collaboration with other people, and then connect them with otherpeople, You know, a lot of times we'll be sitting around, say, hey, do you know, you know,anybody good CPA, or do you know anybody that does this? Or does that, whatever the casemay be? Say? Yeah, now I know a couple of people. Let me introduce you. And there you go.And so that's why that collaboration is so powerful.Ari Gronich (29:31):Awesome. So, I don't want to leave out competition, because I dotend to, you know, put competition on a little bit further down the totem pole forcollaboration. I don't want to completely destroy competition, although I do a little bit. Butwhy don't you tell me what in your mind, healthy competition looks like?JB Braden (30:00):Competition in business. That's an interesting. First of all, when itcomes to competition, I think about this first thing I'll think about is being very good at whatyou do. When you're very good at what you do. You spend time making sure that youcontinue to be good at what you do. And then being afraid of competition isn't a thing forme. Okay. It's more of how can I dominate my sector? Okay, how can I dominate my sector?And what I mean by that is, when people when people think about speaking and speakercoaching, I want them to think about me. Okay. And so that's my goal. So, there's not somuch about having competition. Here's what happened. Competition does, it keeps yousharp, it keeps you honest. It keeps you striving to be better. Because think about is if youdon't have competition, would you when you say that if you don't have a competition, youmay become complacent.Ari Gronich (31:12):So that all depends. I'm going take it a different step with you adifferent way. Because I don't believe in competition with anybody else. I don't believe thatI've ever been in competition with another massage therapist, sports therapist, right. But Iam in competition with yesterday's version of me. That is who I'm in competition with everysingle day. Some days I win that competition, and some days I lose it. I'll be honest, right?I'm not in competition with anybody else. for any other reason, or comparison. And anymore, you know, I used to be like, somebody skinnier than me got bigger muscles than megot, you know, higher IQ than me, you got whatever, you know, whatever it is, right? Got abetter more degrees than me. I don't have any degrees. You know, like, everybody gotdegrees. No, I'm not in competition with anybody else anymore. I'm in competition withyesterday's version of me every single day. And I find that the more I look at perspectivethat way. I could go up to somebody who I might have thought was competition in the pastand say, “Hey, I saw that you guys open a gym right next door to my gym? What do you dodifferently than I do? I could send some people your way.” And we could create collaborationbetween the two gyms between the two personal trainers between the two therapistsbetween the two hypnotherapist all that you know, is like, we could create partnerships andcollaboration with the people who are better than us at certain things, and not be incompetition with them specifically, in competition with the previous version of ourselves.And that's something I think Achieve Systems is really designed to help people with is not bein competition with others in our field, but be in competition with our previous version ofourselves with the person who thought I can't do business, I'm too spiritual, I can't acceptmoney for this, or whatever the block whatever the thing is that stopping somebody frombeing that better part of themselves.JB Braden (33:37):I love that. I love the Ari because when you think about it, I've neverlooked at myself. I've never looked at other speakers and speaker coaches as mycompetition. I never have. And so, I love how you put that that I'm in competition withmyself being a better version of myself. And how do you do that you look at the people inyour field, what they're doing. And my approaches this, what are they doing, that I canincorporate to make me better? Is there anything they're doing that I can make me better?That's how I always look at it. I have a lot of speaker friends around the country. And that'sone of the that's one of the things that we've been able to help each other get betterbecause I can look at something that they may do on stage and say, Oh, I like that. I'm goingto try that. Or I'm going to try this version of that, you know, that sort of thing. That's howyou get better. And so I love that you said that because I've never looked at people in myfield other coaches as my competition. I looked at I look at them as my allies. Okay. How canwe learn from each other, make each other better at what we do? And like you said, that'swhat's great about Achieve, okay, because that's one of the things that we love to helppeople Do it's not about you being competition, but it's how can you take what I'm doingincorporated into your business if we're in the same business and make you better, and viceversa? Love that.Ari Gronich (35:13):Yeah. And that goes to the same thing with life. Right? I'm divorcednow, right. But every minute since the time that I've got separated, beyond the trauma,right of the experience, my thoughts have been How can I be a better man? How can I be inbetter relationship? How can I take ownership of every bit of my responsibility in thisdebacle that has occurred? You know, how can I How can I be a better man in a betterrelationship with people. And I spent, I talked about this a lot, but I spent about 300 plushours inside of a mirror. naked, staring at myself, crying, wailing, screaming, stunned andshocked. I mean, in in any emotional state, you could imagine. Until I worked that out ofmyself until I was a better version of me until I had stripped, I call it stripping the layers ofmasks of trauma. Stripping the layers of masks because we have this inauthenticity fromtrauma that stops us from being the best we can be. I'm going to relate this back to youbecause the biggest fear is not fear of snakes. It's not fear of flying. It's not fear of falling.It's fear of speaking. Public speaking.JB Braden (37:04):Yeah, you've heard it said, and that's a huge fear for a lot of peoplefear of speaking, and it's a real thing. And some of my clients have had it. And, you know,we work through it, and allow them to get to the crux of what that fear really is, you know.And then once they get to the crux of what it really is, they can move past it. And so, do alot of work around that. It is a big fear for a lot of people. A lot of a lot of fear around it isunsubstantiated. And it's just it stemmed from a limiting belief, or, another fear, you know,some of them. Some I've heard people say all the time, well, I'm afraid of messing up. Okay,well, how can you eliminate that fear? And then we work on it?Ari Gronich (37:56):That's up a lot. That's how you eliminate the fear. Okay. I messed up.JB Braden (38:01):And here's the thing, you know, and basically, because that was one ofmy fears, plus 20 plus years ago, and then I was like, Well, how can I eliminate that? Well,prepared to the best of my ability. Okay. And that's all you can do.Ari Gronich (38:18):Right? Just a question. Do you still get the butterflies when you go upon stage?JB Braden (38:25):I do. But it's not from fear. Now. It's excitement. I think people thinkthey feel that and I think, because if you think about it, fear and excitement can feel thesame. It's the same energy. And so people ask that all the time and said, Do you get the youget afraid? I said, No, now I just feel excited. You know, so it's a different feeling than achannel because I've done it so much now. And I know how to prepare. I prepare myself tothe point where that fear that fear of messing up has no power. Okay. Is it still there? Yeah,but it has no power because I've taken the power away from that. Now it's just it's just anexcitement of being able to share my message with a group of people.Ari Gronich (39:15):You know, it's funny, I've been speaking 27 years. My grandmotherwas 40 years, head toastmistress in San Diego, was a speaker. My mom is a teacher. Mybrother is a teacher. My dad was a master debater, you know, in the debate clubs and stuff.So being on stage, and I grew up in Hollywood, so I've been acting and in commercials andstuff like that all my life. And what I find to be fascinating is how much I hate being on videohow much I dislike the look of myself on camera, still, how much I dislike looking at thepictures of me on stage or video of me on stage. And then I look at the pictures of theaudience while I'm on stage, right, afterwards or I look at the response that I get, makes allof that dislike of not wanting to be seen not wanting to be heard, not wanting to beacknowledged, because every time growing up I did, it was some kind of trauma you know,some kind of trauma happened, if I got seen, whether it was, you know, physical abuse,sexual abuse, didn't matter, mental abuse, it was, if I got seen, there was trauma. And so, Ididn't want to be seen. So, you know, what's funny is the only way to cure the somatictrauma of not wanting to be seen, is to be seen a lot, and to be seen in a place that's safe.you know, so part of what I love about achieve, and what I love about what you do withachieve, especially in the speaker sector, is that you provide and we provide a safe place tohave different somatic experiences, so that you can get seen often, and have it be such asafe container that you can become comfortable being seen, you can release those traumasthat are embedded in the soma, in the tissues in the memory, because we create that safeplace. So, talk a little bit about why that safe place is so important, especially for seekers,and especially for people who have that trauma of not being worth and not being seen. Andyou know, not being valuable. Because I know you and I feel pretty much the same thateverybody has some amazing value to offer others. It's just a matter of getting them to bewilling to share, right?JB Braden: Exactly. Yeah, that's a good point. And so, for people who, what you said aboutthe safe place is so important. And how do you create that safe place, you make sure you letpeople know It's okay. It's okay to make a mistake, you're not going to be judged. Thisdoesn't define who you are. And so, creating that gives people permission and a lot of times,that's what we need, we just need permission to try that it's okay, if we don't, if it doesn'tturn out the way we think is going to because most of the time it doesn't. So we spent, Ispent a lot of time helping change people's perspective on fear of failure, so to speak, okay,because it's not about failing is about learning the lesson from what you just done, youknow, learning the lesson that you need to learn and you're supposed to learn. And so,creating that safe place for people to do that, it's kind of goes back to think about this kindof goes back to when we were all toddlers starting to walk. Okay, our parents created a safespace for us to continue to fall as we went through that, right. And so, it's the same thinghere, we create a safe place for people to learn to walk in business, so to speak. Right? Witha permission to It's okay, that you're gonna fail at this or you're gonna fail at that. But thegoal is to continue to get up. Always get up, always keep moving forward. And we have thatsafe space. And that support for people to do that. It's so important.Ari Gronich:Yeah, it's so nice that you can get up with somebody pulling you up, instead ofon your own accord. You know, it's so nice that you could have an Achieve, you know, wehave 20 people to put out their hands. Hey, I'm here. You know. That to me, is incredible.One of the things I tell people I tell therapists a lot is, if you're a healer, if you're a therapist,if you're whoever, right, in the healing arts, that your clients will only heal to the level atwhich you've healed. Meaning the level at which your boundaries and your barriers havebeen washed away, have been cleaned up have been cleared. That's to the level at whichyour patients can heal, that's to the level, which if you're a business owner, your businessescan heal. Right? If you're a business coach, because, it's all you know, it's like, it's justhealing, right? it's like, you know, it's not putting band aids on P&L. It's healing the P&L, it'smaking the P&L better, so it doesn't need band aids anymore. So, you know, we look at life alittle bit differently, I think you and I, then then most we're looking at it from this holisticpoint of view. And for the audience, who is listening. Give us some of your perspective, onresilience, in business, in life in general and I guess, resilience with a map, resilience with aplan, because resilience is awesome to have but if you don't have a plan, you're spinningyour wheels. There's no amount of resilience that adds gonna stop you from, you know, like,getting exhausted and falling on your butt on the hamster wheel. Right? So let's talk aboutresilience, but also making a plan that makes that resilience worthwhile.JB Braden:I love that. And the first thing that you said, that's so important is and that andthat aspect is having a plan. Okay? having a plan and knowing where you want to go, okay,what's your purpose? You got to be able to ask answer that question. What's your purpose?What's your Why? Why are you doing what the hell you that you want to do? Okay, what'syour purpose for doing that? And where do you want to go with it? I see a lot of people inbusiness. They don't have that. They don't have that dialed in. They don't know wherethey're going. Okay. And so, then they get dragged all over the place. And they get draggedinto all these different things. And so first of all, having a plan. Here's what I was telling thatguy, I was talking to a friend of mine yesterday, that's so important about having a plan,your plan is not going to be perfect. How many people have you met Ari say, well, as soonas this plan is perfect that I'm going to watch. That's not what that's not the purpose of aplan. A plan is to get you out of the starting blocks. Okay? Jeff also talks about in this book,The slight edge, a plan is never going to fucking be perfect. Okay, get that out of your head.It's just to get you off the damn starting block. Because 10 yards down the road is gonnachange, something's gonna cause a change. Okay, something in the plan is not gonna work,you're gonna have to course correct. And you're gonna have to pivot. And so, part of thesome of the things that you heard me, we were talking earlier, before we started thepodcast about one of the series that I've been working on that I've been was the, you know,the habits, thoughts and actions that cultivates success. Right, and so a couple of thosethings fit into this resilience that you talked about. Okay? And so, I'll give you a couple ofthem. First of all, one of the ones that we talked about, he's got to have a can-do attitude,right? I can do this, have a can-do attitude that builds that depth of resilience, right?embrace, change, embrace change, and be open to change. Because when you're open tochange, then you it's easier for you to course correct. Okay. And also, when you're open tochange, it leads into the other one of be okay, being uncomfortable. Because when you'reuncomfortable, then you're in growth mode, right?Ari Gronich: I don't remember a day in my life that I've ever actually been comfortable. So,I think I've just been constant. But yeah, I don't get the people who say I want to becomfortable.JB Braden: Yeah, me either. Because I get why they say it. But I don't think theyunderstand what they're saying when they say that. Okay. It's not about being comfortable.It's about being the best you. And that doesn't always feel comfortable.Ari Gornich:Right. think what people are wanting when they say comfortability is they'rewanting peace inside of the uncomfortability. They're there wanting the mental state ofbeing that I have the storm, that wizard, right. So, that's a totally different thing than thecomfortability. So that's what I think people are trying for is peace with it. Like, I love whenchaos is happening around me and I'm still calm. That's like, that's the ultimate for me.Place where I know I've arrived at another level, right? I could calm inside of the storm.JB Braden:Right. Yeah. I love that. And then on the other key that's so important tobuilding that resilience, and having that plan. And I mentioned this earlier is to surroundyourself with ass kickers man. Okay, I can't say that enough. Surround yourself with peoplewho are rowing who are doing who are creating success, because success begets success.Right? And you know that, and I know that. But that's so important when you have thatwhen you when you start to put those things together. That's where you build thatresilience. Because one of the things that you said earlier, that's so important is there's a lotof times that we can get up on our own. But those sometimes we get hit so fucking hard thatwe need help getting up off the damn canvas. And that's why you have those as kickersaround you that that can pull help pull you up off the canvas, because the most importantthing is to always get the fuck back up. Right.Ari Gronich:Yes and I just want to because we kind of mentioned it a little bit ago with theTibetans. The other part of that is not trying to fix the person who's down. Right. But we pullthem up by being okay and being comfortable in their uncomfortability and that's kind of thepoint I was making with the therapist and the level of healing is so many therapists get souncomfortable with their patients' pain. That the patient will never heal because thetherapist is so uncomfortable. Right? And so that's the same thing with, like, let's say you'rea speaker, coach, and you're comfortable with everything right. But let's say you had anexperience of trauma. And then you had a speaker student, who was triggering that trauma,specifically, over and over again, every single time they got up to speak in front of you,right? When you're teaching them. What do you do?JB Braden:You got to work through the trauma first, you have to. In order for you to get toa point where you can be the person you need to be for your clients, you got to workthrough some shit so to speak, okay. Because of what you're talking about, that translatesand people pick up on that and you're doing your clients a disservice. If you're still in it, weall have things, okay. But we have to work through those things, okay, order to be better forourselves, so that we can be better for our clients and the people that we're supposed toserve, and the people that we that we live with, and that we love. Okay. And so, the goal isnot to hang on to the trauma. But to find out, what do I need to do to move forward? Andhow can I use this to propel me forward, so to speak?Ari Gronich:Right? What's the lesson? And this is a good question to ask what it's a goodquestion to ask yourself, like, every day, what? What's the lesson in this? Right? So, youknow, I know we kind of jumped around a little bit on my show, because this is all aboutcreating a new tomorrow today. And, and that's not a linear conversation. But the fact thatyou and I are both solution oriented people I want to kind of give an always do this on theend of every show is three tips, tricks, skills, things that people can take away immediatelyto create their new tomorrow today and activate their vision for a better world. So, this time,I want three from you, as JB, the speaking coach, and then I want three from you as JB theAchieve Systems leader, who has something to say to the people in our industry, you knowabout business, so..JB Braden: Okay, all right. Well, it's very interesting, but they're probably the same. Andhere's what I mean by that. It goes back to exactly a couple of things that I've already said.First of all, you need to know your why and everything that you do in life, why the hell areyou doing it? Okay, so you need to understand that, whether it be business, relationships,finances, it doesn't matter. What is your why. And you need to understand that. And here'swhat I say, Well, here's what I tell people all the time. And I learned this from one of mymentors, your why there needs to be an emotional connection to your why or what you do.Okay, that is so strong, that no matter what happens, it's not going to knock you off-course.That's the first thing. understand and know your why, and be connected to your why. That'sthe first thing. The second thing is understanding the importance of taking steps each day.Understand what success looks like. And then one of my favorite books is the Slight Edge byJeff also he talks about this. People think success is this quantum leap, it's not.JB Braden:Is consistent doing the right actions consistently over time. Okay, that's whatsuccess really is. We just we just we look at somebody and we look at their success, and wethink it happened overnight. We don't see the 10,000 hours of Malcolm Gladwell talks aboutan outliers that they put in. We don't see that. okay. But you truly want to be successful. Dothose right actions consistently over time. And here's the thing that I tell people, allow timethe opportunity to do its work. Because the time is the catalyst, a lot of times we give up,and we say, well, this isn't working. It takes time. And some things take more time thanothers, we need to give it time. If you're doing the consistent actions over time, 12 monthsfrom now, 20 months, 24 months from now, and I related to, let's just take it back to health.All right, think about this. If you have a goal to lose weight to get in shape and you're doingthe exercises and the workouts three months from now, if you continue to do that, you'regoing to see a little change. 13 months from now, 24 months from now, how much of achange, you're going to see if you can consistently do that action.Ari Gronich:You mean, I can't go to the gym for five hours today and then not go back andhave a six pack abs in a month? No, Oh my god. Oh, and in here, I was doing it all wrong.JB Braden:Right. But see, that's what people think. You see people with ABS you say, oh,man, that's awesome. Man put a lot of work into that shit. Right? So, it's consistent actionsover time. What are the consistent actions over time that you need to do to create thesuccess in your business and your relationships and your finances? Okay, and it's not justquantum leap. So those are the key things that I that I tell people and business and speakingknow your why understand the consistent actions that you need to do over time and beconsistent doing those things. Okay. And so those are key things.Ari Gronich:Yeah. You know, from that perspective, I have a quick story of a patient that isin Pennsylvania, that I've been working with, I'm in Florida, how do you work with a strokevictim after you know, from online, right, but I've been training him because the nursinghome he's in, frankly, should be shut down and reconfigured, they have no idea what they'redoing in there. They basically have told him that if he comes in that, he probably will neverleave. And he's 52 years old, had a stroke, not like an invalid, you know, he's not an elderlyperson who's not going to be capable. But he's from the Bronx. And he's a PR guy who'sbasically toured with rock bands his whole life. As you know, the stage crew, basically, heruns the whole production for rock bands. And, and so he got to get the personality of a guyfrom Brooklyn who's kind of like that, right? They don't have a slowdown button. They don'thave a can't do button, they have, I'm going to go until I break myself button. And so, I'vebeen telling him slow and steady wins the race over and over and over again, slow andsteady, slow and steady build the foundation first slow and steady. So, it's almost been ayear at the end, at the end of April, beginning of May will have been a year that he's been inthis nursing home, where they told him they'll be for the rest of his life. And I get messagesevery single day just about nowadays, with I just stood up in the shower and without holdingmyself up for the first time. And I didn't need to sit in my wheelchair anymore. And like, I'mgoing to get out of this place. And I walked up a grassy hill that was uneven. And you know,it's like he's doing all this progress. At first, it was no progress at all, that he could see thatno progress at all. No progress at all. No prior months and months of I don't see anyprogress. And then all of a sudden, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Because once you getthat foundation, which is the hardest thing to build, the kitchens easy, the bathroom is easy,the beautiful fixtures are easy once you have the foundation, but if you don't have thefoundation, you'll never have the beautiful structure above. Right? So, this is what I tell him.It sounds like this is kind of the similar thing to what you're saying is so slow and steady bepatient, take your time build your foundation strong and know your why. So, what's yourwhy?JB Braden:Exactly? You're asking me that question? I love it, I love it. My why is to fulfill mydestiny. Okay, my destiny and my calling I know this I learned it a long time ago when I wasa teenager. My why is to empower and inspire people to be their best. I'm called to speakinto other people's lives to be there for other people. Okay. And you know what, know whatthat does for me Ari, in order for me to be there, for other people, I got to be at my best,which means I got to continue growing. Okay, I got to continue being better. Because I'm nogood to anyone else, If I'm not at my best, okay. And so, my best continues to grow. Thatchanges, right? And so, but my why? My true why is to create success in other people'slives. And I do that by creating success in my life. Because I want people to understand thatit's their obligation, it is their duty to create success, because here's the thing that peoplemiss. Here's the thing that people miss, and I learned a long time ago, there are people thatyou haven't even met yet that you're supposed to serve. There are people that you don'teven know yet that they are supposed to learn from you and your life lessons. Okay. Sothat's my why is to make sure people are tapping into their greatness and to beextraordinary, so that they can make the world an extraordinary place, their world anextraordinary place.Ari Gronich:That's awesome. How can people get ahold of you, JB if they want to get aholdof you? And how can they get ahold of Achieve if they're interested in becoming a part ofour family?JB Braden:Oh, good stuff. Well, you can reach out to me at JB@beyondthefieldcoaching,you can go to my website beyondthefieldcoaching.com, those are places you can reach outto me. As far as reaching out to Achieve and learning more about that you can go to ourachieve website which is achieve.com. I think that's right, in there right to achieve.com,achievesystems.com, I knew it did sound right, achievesystems.com that's how you can findout more about Achieve. But you can also contact me and I can connect you with the rightpeople and Achieve as well.Ari Gronich: Awesome. Thank you so much for being on. This has been another episode ofCreate a New Tomorrow. I've had a great time talking to JB Braden, he is a friend andcolleague and absolutely amazing speaking coach, trainer, business person, but really just afriend, mentor and a good person to know he's got a lot of connections. So, if you areneeding anything, you know, feel free to get ahold of him. And you could connect with me aswell if you'd like to learn a little bit more about Achieve Systems, but here is to Creating aNew Tomorrow today activating our vision for a better world. Let's all go out, stop the bulliesstop the silence speak our truth into people so that they too can get inspired. I know for memy why is I have to do this stuff. I don't have really a choice. It's part of the calling that I'mbuilt for. And you know, I'm called as my Why? Why do I do this to wake people up to therealization that we made all this shit up, and we can do better. Andso, let's do better to livetogether collaborate for success. Thank you so much for being here and we'll talk to younext time.

Hi, I am here with Rober Riopel. He is a world-class trainer, author and founder of AMENTORA INC. Robert's mission is to ASSIST INDIVIDUALS IN INDENTIFYING AND LIVING THEIR PURPOSE WITH PASSION.With his high energy and heartfelt style, Robert Riopel has been blessed to travel around the world helping over 200,000 people find their passions and financial freedom. He has shared the stage with the Dahli Lama & Sir Richard Branson, and trained notables such as David Woods, Doug Nelson, Colin Sprake, Robert Yates and thousands of other trainers.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY ROBERT RIOPEL FOR MORE INFO:https://successleftaclue.com/CHECK THIS AMAZING BOOK BY ROBERT RIOPEL OR MORE INFO:https://slac.rocks/bookJOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMMastermind - Create A New Tomorrow Inner Circlelearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK OUT ARI'S A NEW TOMORROW BOOKhttps://bit.ly/3d7EMg4CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.#Podcast #health #Education #CreateANewTomorrowWith his high energy and heartfelt style, Robert Riopel has been blessed to travel around the world helping over 200,000 people find their passions and financial freedom. He has shared the stage with the Dahli Lama & Sir Richard Branson, and trained notables such as David Woods, Doug Nelson, Colin Sprake, Robert Yates and thousands of other trainers.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:07  Welcome to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host Ari Gronich and today I have with me a good dear friend Robert Riopel, I am not using an intro speech or anything today because I have a very deep personal connection to this man. He was the first trainer at MMI Millionaire Mind Institute, or a million Millionaire Mind intensive through peak potentials that I went to a training that he did, it was his very first time being a solo trainer. And we had 1000s of people in the audience and this man killed it. He went on to train, I think it's over a half a million people in business and life skills. This guy is incredible. And now he's doing this new project that I'm excited to talk to him about, but mostly, he's just a fantastic person for ideas. I mean, he's owned Domino's franchise, he's been you've married his high school sweetheart, I mean, that guy who's just that these days and stays married to them. He might have a secret or two. I don't know. Let's talk to him. Robert. share a little bit. Give me a give me a Give me your intro.Robert Riopel 1:30  Well, you know, I just happy to be here. Because, as you know, I love to have fun. I believe there's way too many serious people on this planet. And life's too short not to have fun. And it's interesting that you brought up my high school sweetheart, because actually yesterday, on the time of recording this, yesterday was our 32nd wedding anniversary. And so yeah, I met when we were 13 started dating when we were 16 got married when we were 19 Oh, I just started getting my age away. So I just, you know, I've been blessed, you know, international bestselling author, App Designer, and entrepreneur, and I'm a trainer that's traveled the world, you'll be for COVID, I was on average, traveling 200,000 miles a year, around the world doing training. And it's my passion is what I absolutely love to do. Because a couple things happen. One, when a student comes up to you and says, Hey, do you remember when you said this? Here's how it changed my life. Yeah, we're not gonna talk about what you were telling me about. That's one of the greatest feelings in the world, is when you see that you're making an impact. Because then you realize that maybe I've taught over half a million people personally. But now how exponentially did that grow by the people that they went back into their lives and impacted, and they then impacted and they impacted? That's what gets me really jazzed and excited. So, you know, for me, I'm a guy who does what I love, and enjoys life, and you help so many people again?Ari Gronich 3:03  Absolutely. I remember my dad sitting in a room was standing in a telephone booth with a bag full of quarters, and a telephone book, telemarketing in the middle of orange groves in California, like in the middle of nowhere, orange groves. And I remember this I you know, for him, it was one of his worst moments. For me, it was one of my best, because I saw the links to which my father loved.Robert Riopel 3:37  Hmm, yeah,Ari Gronich 3:38  that's how I took it was he didn't show you know, he was very busy. He always trying to survive. So while he showed love, he was very busy. He was an absent and yet he, that act of doing that made me know that what he was doing was worth it. Like he was doing it for us. And even though I felt that abandonment as a kid, I also saw why. And it was that was really powerful. So I liked that. You got that from your dad.Robert Riopel 4:20  Yeah. And that's the thing is it's, you know, my parents went through health issues. And the other one would always step up when the other one was in the hospital, and, you know, work the two jobs and take care of the kids or what have you. And so I learned a lot of amazing things from my family. And it just, it's so it's made me who I am today, and I will always look at that and go, I'm grateful that you know, talk about the gratitude. I'm grateful.Ari Gronich 4:45  You know, it's weird because I was talking to my son recently. He's seven. And I was telling teaching him a little bit about focus and how important being able to focus is And it's interesting because what you said about being present is what I said to him about focus. So he was at dinner, and he was jumping up every bite, he had to go somewhere, do something and get distracted by some somewhere in something. Right? And what I told him is, have you ever tried to be really present with your food? really present with the flavors and the experience of it on your tongue? The smell as it's going down, you know, the feeling in the back of your throat as you swallow the chewing? Like, have you ever been really present with that? And it was interesting, because that's a very similar thing to what you're saying. But being present with people being present with anything is so difficult and requires a lot of focus. So do you have any like, trips or tics? Like, how does somebody be present with somebody else without the background noise in their head? That's a good concept to say to somebody. But like practicality, let's get down to the practically How do they do that?Robert Riopel 6:12  Yeah, well, you know, first of all, it takes practice. Don't think that Oh, I know. Arn Roberts has told me that this is a great thing to do. So I just learned it. I should be good at I should be a probiotic. Because that's how we sabotage ourselves. Right? One of my favorite quotes, probably the hardest book. My favorite quote of all, every master was once a disaster, which means you're going to be a disaster. You're going to go through a disaster stage, you got to practice. And that's what most people see. Forget or choose not to do. I wasAri Gronich 6:45  I was doing a hypnosis course. And it was a past life regression. Course. And the instructor was channeling a being or an entity named I think, Miss Dr. Peabody or something like that. I was some weird name, that I was like, Oh, God, it wasn't Cleopatra. But it always is, you know, I'm Cleopatra in the formula. How many cleopatras have you met? anyway? So Mr. Peabody said, if you want to be enlightened, yeah, gotta lighten up. I went, Oh, my God. Do I have a lot of practicing to do? Because I'm, you know, I grew up, I'm a pretty serious person most of the time. And, and I got serious work to do to create a new tomorrow. And, you know, it's like, and now I read dude, three. So yeah, I mean, yeah, you know, people have forgotten that living is about living. And that living, breathing and reading in life, you know. So, stopping that joy of life,Robert Riopel 8:04  they said about your son. What you said about your son is where he's, he's modeling you. So when you talk to him about your being present, use that as a reminder for yourself to be present in that moment. Because every moment you're impacting people around you, whether you know it or not. And most people you're impacting them with not with what you're saying, but how you're acting, what you're doing, your way of being. And so if someone said, Well, how do I create a better tomorrow? A new tomorrow? Well just start with you. And then allow that example. Is it going to impact a ton of people? Maybe not? Is it going to help even one person? Maybe not, but it will help you?Ari Gronich 8:47  I've been I've been trying to rewrite the golden rule, because I disagree completely with it. Because we don't want people to treat us the way we treat ourselves. Now, we want we want us to we want people to treat us the way we treat other people. The Golden Rule is has gotten a little shifty for me. But yeah, I mean, you know, we definitely the self talk, that is, in most people's heads is so toxic. And and I like that you're you're saying that because one of the things that I do with with trauma work a lot is mirrors. You know, it's, it's not about affirmations. affirmations to me are like akin to motivation, which is almost nothing, right doesn't doesn't provide what it's supposed to do for very long. But staring in the mirror for 300 hours, crying, screaming, wailing until you find the pieces of you that you love until you strip the masks of inauthenticity from yourself the masks of trauma. I tell people, everything that you think about yourself is literally just a mask of trauma and you put on Other people have put on you. And our goal is to strip those masks off of trauma so that we can be authentic.Robert Riopel 10:08  Yep. Absolutely. And look, you know, that's, that's what I would do the mirror work. I started off with hair. By time I removed everything my hair was gone. good reason that I had to go there, if someone just listening to this, because, you know, there may be people just doing the audio. They had to know I'm aerodynamic. And ladies and gentlemen, I'm I'm not short. I've been told I'm just more grounded. So I like that as well. It's closer to the earth.Ari Gronich 10:37  Yes. Yes. Just close to the earth. Mr. Where's the earring, Mr. plane? That's all I want.Robert Riopel 10:48  Yeah, well, it could be this year, but that's in my ear. It just flipped up and goes it is multipurpose today, because Mr. Clean in the airing is. So yesterday, you're talking about age. Come on. Now. Now it has to have multi purpose.Ari Gronich 11:02  I believe the law of action traction. You know, we you we've had discussions, but the law of attraction to me is the movie, The Secret all that stuff. It's a great beginning, it didn't finish. And it's it left people wanting, which is where, you know, I take offense to it. But I do like is the science of getting rich, the book The Science of Getting Rich, which is where all that lol a comes from? Originally back in 1908 or something like that. And I like that little more Matter of fact, but it's all the same. You're right. The actions missing.Robert Riopel 11:42  That's what people they think all just think, no, they got to take action, which is absolutely true. I'm going to suggest you check out the movie, beyond the secret is a follow up that just came out about a year and a half ago. And it brings back a lot of the secret guests where they were able to go in deeper and like yeah, the secret and covered it. But let's go beyond the secret. And you know, dive in deeper. So you might want to check that out. But what he noticed is he said, if you realize it, this social dilemma, actually just unveiled the truth of the greatest law of attraction working in our favor. Because people look at any social media you're doing for attacking everything you do. And you're looking at your feed go, why am I getting all this? Because that's what you've been focusing on. So if you don't like what's popping up, then change your focus.Ari Gronich 12:32  I always do tips and tricks. We've done a lot of them. But give me three based on what we've talked about so far. Just three really crystal clear that somebody can do tomorrow action steps that they can do tomorrow today to change their lives to create a new tomorrow and activate their vision for a better world.Robert Riopel 12:49  Yeah, number one, become more present. Remember to take that deep breath, check in with yourself. How am I doing now? on that? Number two, take one more step in the direction you want to go. And three, bu awesome.Ari Gronich 13:08  We're gonna do this again. Hopefully, Canada will be open. And we'll do this live somewhere where we could actually like, get in it, you know, but it'd be awesome. That would be awesome. But thank you so much. Where can people get ahold of you if they'd like to connect with you and learn more about how they can work?Robert Riopel 13:29  Yeah, my Facebook fan pages the easiest way. And so on Facebook, just put my name in Robert Riopel, you'll see my fanpage I can't take any more. Friends. Unfortunately, they got me back. So a lot on my fan page. If you follow it, you'll get tapped into a lot of my work. I am on LinkedIn and Instagram. I'm told now. So yeah, we're my VA for getting that up. But also as a gift, I would love for your listeners to get a copy of my book success love to clue as the ebook version as my gift to them for having me on your show.Ari Gronich 14:02  That would be awesome. And we will make sure to get all your links and stuff like that so that it's going to be on the bottom of every every posting for this and and we'll get you all that. So thank you so much. I'm sure that the audience will love that because anything that we could do to make a new, create a new tomorrow today and activate our vision for a better world is what this shows about. So really appreciate you being here. Thank you so much. This has been another episode, crazy episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your hostAri Gronich. Thank you so much for being here and have a amazing weekend.

Hi, I am here with Rober Riopel. He is a world-class trainer, author and founder of AMENTORA INC. Robert's mission is to ASSIST INDIVIDUALS IN INDENTIFYING AND LIVING THEIR PURPOSE WITH PASSION.With his high energy and heartfelt style, Robert Riopel has been blessed to travel around the world helping over 200,000 people find their passions and financial freedom. He has shared the stage with the Dahli Lama & Sir Richard Branson, and trained notables such as David Woods, Doug Nelson, Colin Sprake, Robert Yates and thousands of other trainers.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY ROBERT RIOPEL FOR MORE INFO:https://successleftaclue.com/CHECK THIS AMAZING BOOK BY ROBERT RIOPEL OR MORE INFO:https://slac.rocks/bookJOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMMastermind - Create A New Tomorrow Inner Circlelearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK OUT ARI'S A NEW TOMORROW BOOKhttps://bit.ly/3d7EMg4CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.#Podcast #health #Education #CreateANewTomorrow+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:00  I'm Ari Gronich, and this is create a new tomorrow podcast.Welcome to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host Ari Gronich and today I have with me a good dear friend Robert Riopel, I am not using an intro speech or anything today because I have a very deep personal connection to this man. He was the first trainer at MMI Millionaire Mind Institute, or a million millionaire, mind intensive, through peak potentials that I went to a training that he did, it was his very first time being a solo trainer. And we had 1000s of people in the audience and this man killed it. He went on to train, I think it's over a half a million people in business and life skills. This guy is incredible. And now he's doing this new project that I'm excited to talk to him about, but mostly, he's just a fantastic person. For ideas. I mean, he's owned Domino's franchise, he's been married his high school sweetheart, I mean, that guy that whose does that these days and stays married to them? He might have a secret or chill. I don't know. Let's talk to him. Robert. share a little bit, give me a give me a Give me your intro.Robert Riopel 1:39  Well, you know, I just have to be here. Because, as you know, I love to have fun. I believe there's way too many serious people on this planet. And life's too short not to have fun. And it's interesting that you brought up my high school sweetheart, because actually yesterday, on the time of recording this, yesterday was our 32nd wedding anniversary. And so yeah, I met when we're 13 started dating when we're 16 got married when we're 19 Oh, I just started giving my age away. So I just, you know, I've been blessed, you know, international best selling author, App Designer, and entrepreneur, and I'm a trainer that's traveled the world, you'll be for COVID, I was on average traveling 200,000 miles a year around the world during training. And it's my passion is what I absolutely love to do. Because a couple things happen. One, when a student comes up to me and says, Hey, do you remember when you said this? Here's how it changed my life. Yeah, we're not gonna talk about what you were telling me about. That's one of the greatest feelings in the world, is when you see that you're making an impact. Because then you realize that maybe I've taught over half a million people personally. But now how exponentially did that grow by the people that they went back into their lives and impacted, and they then impact it, and they impact it? That's what gets me really jazzed and excited. So, you know, for me, I'm a guy who does what I love, and enjoys life and you know, helps as many people as I can.Ari Gronich 3:12  Absolutely. So I'm going to tell it tell a story that you don't remember. And it's an impactful story for my life. So I just want to I want to I want to share it with the audience because I think it goes along with the idea of creating a new tomorrow. A lot of people know my background and know my history that listen to the show, really briefly from rape and molestation growing up bullying being told I was sick and would never get better having to be injected into puberty. I mean, I grew up in a way that was pretty Rocky, let's just easily put it that way. I've had 20 friends who have committed suicide. And, and the first attempt I had at suicide was at nine years old. And when I was at the MMI, your very first one, you pulled me up on stage to speak to the audience. And I had been speaking with EMI and Mark Victor Hansen, Robert Allen with the enlightened millionaire millionaire Institute. I had been doing money in you and I had been doing all kinds of things. I've been in the industry a while. And I had recently worked on somebody. This was over 20 years ago, I think or not 20 but it was close. It was what was the first one for 2004. So close. Yeah, it's close to two. So I had just gotten back from the Paralympics. Working on some of the most amazing athletes gold medals under my hands left and right. World's records broken not just Paralympic records, but world records. And I was I was feeling really blessed. At this moment, I get up on stage. And you asked me, I think it was what my best memory of my business was or something like that. And I spoke about the Olympics. And then I spoke about this guy that I worked on, who was paralyzed for 30 years. And I was called in to basically help him being more comfortable. He his body, you know, is the movement of his body. But he had been quadriplegic for the first 10 years, and paraplegic for the last 20, he took a hit of LSD in the 60s thought he could fly, jumped off a balcony and crushed his spine. So he had been very wealthy family had been to like the best of the best in the world. And when I started touching him, and I was thinking about it in my head, like, how, how can I help him the best, I was thinking if he went from quadriplegic, paraplegic, after 10 years, he could go from paraplegic to walking. I just was something I was young, and dumb. And I knew this. And this is actually a story that I tell a little bit on my trailer actually for the show. So I get up on stage, and I'm telling the story of how, in three months of working with this man, I had him walking. Wow. I said he could feel my fingers on his toes. He could move his hips forward on his own mental accord. He had arm crutches, but he could move. I mean, he had been crawling for 20 years. And I said something along the lines of even though I've had all of these amazing accomplishments, because of my past, I still feel like I'm worthless. And 2500 people, I think at that event, something around there 1500 to 2500, don't remember, it was big. And it was vulnerable. And you pulled me aside after the event was over. And you told me how valuable I was to you and to the event at large. And how much of worth, I had delivered in that five minutes of talking. And the fact that you were able to come and show me in a physical way how much I met you and how much that I was valuable, was a big turning point. In the way that I started to see myself it was still a journey. And obviously with life directions, we did a lot of things together. Butit was the beginning of a journey that was really powerful. And I've never told you that I wanted to take this opportunity to share it with you so that the audience gets how much of an impact you've had. And that's me, you've done this with half a million almost people were you've literally taken the time to go individually to some of them, and tell them how much they meant to you. And so that's how I want to start because this is all about creating a new tomorrow, activating our vision for a better world. you embody the authenticity, and the drive of that. And so I wanted to tell you that and then get your feedback, too. Because it meant so much and I've never told you that.Robert Riopel 8:53  Wow, dude, I'm also gonna face right now, if I had hair on the top of my head to be standing up for every other hair on my body is I'm lit. And I appreciate you sharing that with me. Because if and this is what people don't understand, is when they live their authentic life, and they follow their passion. They have the courage. You know, it's something in the new kind of trains I've been doing. I've talked about instead of having the courage to live life, it's authentically having the courage to allow life to live you. And that's a whole different paradigm shift. And so when I hear things like that, I don't have expectations. I don't have, am I going to help people? How will I help people? You know, I hope they get this out of this. I just I got to be me. Because if I try to implement what I think should happen, I take away half the magic or more. And so to hear that absolute magic what you just share with me thank you that wow, I don't even mean I don't even know where to go from here. Now.Ari Gronich 10:02  Well, you know that the idea is that we're creating this world, we're living in a place that feels to many people. So disconnected. So like, everything, you know that George Carlin said, we make things like computers to connect the world, and then it divides us so much. And so, as we're creating an tomorrow as we're living that authentic life, as we're activating those visions for a better world, you're one of the people who has actively done that, your entire life. And so, how that's how where we go with it is what caused you to be that kind of a man? Right? What was the thing that triggers? And then, you know, obviously, through this show, we're gonna talk a lot about tips and tricks and things that people can do. But really, I want that I want to have a deeper conversation with you today.Robert Riopel 11:03  And look, let's, let's go there. Because that's where I think a lot of value, cuz I look at, say, what's going on in the world today. And one of the worst things I think they could have done was call it social distancing. Physical distancing, yes, stay safe. But now more than ever, people need to be social. And so a couple things I've implemented over this past year, is something as simple as when I do my gratitude journal in the morning. I don't, you know, it started off as a success journal. I write down five successes for the day. And then it started to morph into what, what successes I had, but what am i grateful for? What And who am I grateful for. And then when I write down names, cuz obviously a name would pop my head just because of, there's something I remembered about them. And in that moment, I was like, I'm grateful for this person in my life. And over this past year, it's morphed into, instead of just writing their name, what about sending them a message? And if I can send them a voice message, but the key is being with I do it with no expectation? No. Hey, arias is Robert here. I just won't let you know. I'm grateful for you in my life. Can I get back to me? No, if you're loving, because you know how that feels, if it was like that. So I sent it with no expectation of whether ever they hear it, get it, send something back or not. And I do it because it'll say something like, you know, I just want to let you know, in my gratitude journal, I thought of you today because of bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, thank you for being in my life, I hope you're doing amazing. And you and your family are safe. And I ended up that now some people get back and, and we've had some great connections and others don't and, and it's just an or some people just give me a heart or, and everything's perfect. So things like that. Cuz you're right with technology. How easy today is to stay more connected. But why don't we? Why is it that people sit around a table and everybody is in eating but they're all disconnected? Because yes, exactly. their fingers in their thumbs are going on their phone. And it's like, or, and some of them will text across the table to each other. That's how they communicate. It's like, Really? IAri Gronich 13:12  find it hilarious in my house, where somebody will text the person upstairs. Hey, it's dinnertime, instead of just calling Hey, it'sRobert Riopel 13:23  right. Because that ding on the phone will get their attention, but a hauler won't, right. And so kind of the answer the question, why am I the way I am? Look, I'm the youngest of four children. And to get my share of attention, I became that people pleaser. And I was like, I gotta, I gotta get people like me. I'm very shy. And a lot of people have a hard time believing that. But I am, I'm traditionally shy, but I hide my shyness by being outgoing. And so I've done some crazy stuff in my life. And, but my direction was always look, we were born on the wrong side of the tracks. We're, we're the wrong real pals. And I don't know if I ever shared that with you, but even the spelling of my name, something I didn't really realize until a few years ago and probably thank goodness. But when we started researching my last name, real pal, which was a French name, it can be spelled ri o p e L, which is how minus or ri o p e l l, e, m, which is another version, those are the two most common and if your name was spelt with the l l e, that meant you were born into the upper crust of the Riopel, the right side of the tracks, the fluent but if your name was spelt just ri o p L, that meant you were the trash. You couldn't afford the extra LAri Gronich 14:45  and the extra E.Robert Riopel 14:47  Right? Because you know letters are expensive. They are letters, and it has something to do with the masculine and feminine over whatever but you know, and so I look back at my family history, and no wonder my grandparents came west, you know, no wonder they were pioneering and, and, you know, trying to change life. And so thank goodness, I didn't know that because as a child, what would I have done? Oh, I would have ingrained that so deep of why I can't be successful. And I was taught though, because my parents, everyone in my family, my dad's second oldest of 10 kids, and the only non entrepreneur in the family. All right. And so it was you, you do whatever you need to do to take care of your family. I've actually talked to my dad about this yesterday, and that we were nomads, when we're young. I never spent more than six months, maybe a year in a school, because they were always having to move to get work to feed the family, because that was number one. Whether you liked the job or not, you did what you needed to do to take care of your family. And so I learned my work ethic from them. But thank goodness, I had people into my life that said, No, there's something more. And we spoke about earlier, which is my wife, you know, one of the greatest gifts she gives me is she's not willing to let me play smaller than I am. And in fact, if it was left up to me, I have no problem admitting it. I would be comfortably miserable in a job right now. miserable, but I'd be going but this is what I'm supposed to do. So I'll all suck it up. I will do my job. I will. Because if it's stable, and it's paying me that I don't complain, no, I just do what I need to do. But she won't let me play in that state.Ari Gronich 16:34  Nice. Good for her.Robert Riopel 16:37  Yeah. Yeah. I'll give her as well, because it's got to go two ways, right.Ari Gronich 16:44  I remember my dad sitting in a was standing in a telephone booth, with a bag full of quarters, and a telephone book, telemarketing. In the middle of orange groves in California, like in the middle of nowhere, orange groves. And I remember this I you know, for him, it was one of his worst moments. For me, it was one of my best, because I saw the links to which my father loved. Hmm, yeah, that's how I took it was he didn't show, you know, he was very busy, he always trying to survive. So while he showed love, he was very busy. He was an absent. And yet he, that act of doing that made me know that what he was doing was worth it. Like he was doing it for us. And even though I felt that abandonment as a kid, I also saw why. And it was that was really powerful. So I liked that. You got that from your dad.Robert Riopel 17:59  Yeah, and that's the thing is, is, you know, my parents went through health issues. And the other one would always step up when the other one was in the hospital. And, you know, work the two jobs and take care of the kids or what have you. And so I learned a lot of amazing things from my family. And it just, it's, so it's made me who I am today. And I will always look at that and go, I'm grateful that you know, talk about the gratitude, I'm grateful. And when you talk about creating a new tomorrow, probably one of the biggest things I feel people can do is really focus more on what they are grateful for, don't focus on the lack or what's pissing them off, or why they don't have this or why they don't have that. Just focus even a little bit, just a little bit on something you're grateful for. Even taking a deep breath and going. Yep, I was able to do that. I was able to do that. I'm grateful for the fact that you and I are doing this interview. And I'm not at home because I'm able to be here supporting family that are going through some pretty major stuff right now. And because we have the freedom financially to be wherever we need to be. I'm grateful for that. You know, those those are the things I focus on and, and especially during this time with isolation. Do you reach out to people and something like instill upon my students? Three people a day, just reach out and ask simple three words? How are you? And then open your ears and Listen, don't go go. Hey, Ari, how are you? Oh, great. I'm glad you're okay. And I'm doing good. Which is what a lot of people do but actually be present in the moment. And and just be interested in how they are. And watch what that can do for people just by authentically showing some interest in them.Ari Gronich 19:52  You know, it's weird because I was talking to my son recently. He's seven and I was telling teaching him a little bit About focus, and how important being able to focus is. And it's interesting, because what you said about being present is what I said to him about focus. So he was at dinner, and he was jumping up every bite, he had to go somewhere, do something and get distracted by some somewhere in something. Right? And what I told him is, have you ever tried to be really present with your food? really present with the flavors and the experience of it on your tongue? The smell as it's going down, you know, the feeling in the back of your throat as you swallow the chewing? Like, have you ever been really present with that? And it was interesting, because that's a very similar thing to what you're saying. But being present with people being present with anything is so difficult and requires a lot of focus. So do you have any like, tips or tricks? Like, how does somebody be present with somebody else without the background noise in their head? It's a good concept to say to somebody, but like practicality, let's get down to the practically How do they do that?Robert Riopel 21:19  Yeah, well, you know, first of all, it takes practice. Don't think that Oh, I know. Aryan Roberts has told me that this is a great thing to do. So I just learned it. I should be good at I should be a probiotic. Because that's how we sabotage ourselves. Right? One of my favorite quotes, probably hardest book. My favorite quote of all, every master was once a disaster, which means you're going to be a disaster, you're going to go through a disaster stage, you've got to practice. And that's what most people they forget or choose not to do. They choose not to practice. So when it comes to that, I'm going to go back to something I learned back in 2002, that has served me all my life. I actually and because you know me, you know how tough this was, for me. I did a four day Zen retreat with a Zen master where I could not speak for four days, Roxanne was in bliss. I think there are those from Earth Day. But I couldn't speak and it was all about that what you were talking about you want to food. While you're just saying with your son. That's what made me think about is, we couldn't when we sat down for a meal, we're all facing the same direction looking at beautiful scenery. And you take your fork or knife or spoon, put a mouthful in, put it down and then intend to notice everything about that flavor, the texture, the smell, and just chewing it natural experience yourself, taking it in. And then you take a deep breath before he takes another spoonful. And I don't need that flow normally. Oh my goodness. And in the beginning, it felt like it in the beginning felt like. But by time I did it for 40 straight, it became natural. So one one tip, practice. But what really brought me to this was something that really impacted me that my teacher had said, Every night we were able to break our silence to ask questions and earn a better question. I was going around in my head going around in my head. But I was too afraid to ask it and another woman voice and she said Sherry, she goes, You know what? We're here. And we're meditating. In this space. It's easy. We know it's uncomfortable, not but it's easy. Because we're in the space. How do I do this? When I go home? Or I'm a mom, I'm busy. I got kids screaming, I don't have time to sit down for 20 minutes and go, okay. What do I do? And Sherry's answer to me was so profound, she said, she goes, look, meditating means being present. So the fact is, anything that you're doing, where you're actually present in that moment, you're meditating. And awesome. I went, Wow. So when I'm on the stage, if I'm present with my audience, I'm meditating. When I'm talking to an audience member, one on one if they're sharing, people go to me all the time, Robert, how's it you draw out of people and can see what's going on in their life? It's because I'm not a pure in my head. I am just connected with them. I'm present. So I'm actually meditating. So they think that I'm helping them which I am. But it's also helping me right now. You and I are having this conversation. I'm aware of everything that's going on around me. But I'm here in this moment with you right now. So I'm practicing my meditation. And so if you want to know how a practical skill to create it, Start, take 10 seconds. And truly taking that deep breath and be present in the moment of what you're doing. And then cried again a little bit later, and then do it again. And then every time you go home present practice, okay? Okay? Start with taking a deep breath because you can only breathe no present. And just bring yourself to where you are, and then notice where you are. Are you in your head? Or are you actually truly here? I justAri Gronich 25:30  I just tried to breathe in the future and it didn't work.Robert Riopel 25:33  I know, right? It's easy. Now try not try doing it in the past. You and I are gonna have so much fun as we keep talking. Because that's the thing is it? You know, and another tip is don't take things so seriously. Even when might seem serious. Yeah, the humor. I wasAri Gronich 25:55  I was doing a hypnosis course. And it was a past life regression. Course. And the instructor was channeling a being or an entity named I think Miss Dr. Peabody or something like that. I was some weird name. That I was like, Oh, God, it wasn't Cleopatra. But it always is, you know, I'm Cleopatra in Formula. How many Cleopatra's Have you met? anyway? So Mr. Peabody? Dad, if you want to be enlightened, yeah, gotta lighten up. Yeah, I went, Oh, my God. Do I have a lot of practicing to do? Because I'm, you know, I grew up, I'm a pretty serious person most of the time. And, and I got serious work to do to create a new tomorrow. And, you know, I was like, and now I read dude, three. So yeah, I mean, yeah, you know, people have forgotten that living is about living. And that living, breathing, really reading in life. You know, it's about stopping that joy of life,Robert Riopel 27:14  it's about your son. What you said about your son is where he's, he's modeling you. So when you talk to him about your being present, use that as a reminder for yourself to be present in that moment. Because every moment, you're impacting people around you, whether you know it or not. And most people you're impacting them with not with what you're saying, but it's how you're acting, what you're doing, your way of being. And so if someone said, Well, how do I create a better tomorrow? A new tomorrow? Well just start with you. And then allow that example? Because is it going to impact a ton of people? Maybe not? Is it going to help even one person? Maybe not, but it will help you?Ari Gronich 27:58  Yeah, the whole idea of competition, right, to me is, is been inverted. Because the only competition that I think anybody should ever be in competitive competition with is yesterday's version of myself, or yesterday's version, right? So let's talk a little bit about how you can be in competition with yourself. So that you're consistently in that growth mode without overwhelm.Robert Riopel 28:35  I'm glad you put that last part in there. Because as soon as you put it in, phrase it in competition with yourself probably like, oh, my goodness, I gotta go and get better cuz I'm not getting better, I suck. And then that gets becomes a reason to beat themselves up. And oh, my God, if I sucked, and why am I even trying to give off? Now it luggages without getting that overwhelm. And that's where the practice of being present really comes in. And ask yourself, did I take one more step? And then celebrate it? You know, in my first book success, let the clue. Step number four is celebrate your successes. You know, if I had to count on my fingers, thank goodness, there's not like 25 steps, or I'd never get through because I only have 10 fingers 10 toes, right? So I tell people celebrate your successes, because then that what you're focusing on puts you more towards that. So reason I determine and notice most people get overwhelmed. is they set a goal, okay? Are you just told me to only compete with myself. So that means I'm going to do this and this and this and this and this, and I got to get better at it. I got to be really good. And they're now 1000 steps ahead of themselves, trying to figure it out, trying to figure out how they're going to do it. But is it good enough? What if I misinterpreted it? Do Am I doing it the right way? is all what he really meant. Any of this sounding familiar? And so you definitely take a deep breath and you say, Okay, how am I doing right now? I'm doing good. Excellent. Okay, let's take one more step. And then check in with yourself. How am I doing? And in the, in the beginning, it'll probably drive you frickin insane. Because it'll feel like you're not moving anywhere. But if you stay consistent, persistent and consistent, how do you develop any habits? You have to do it over and over? what I used to do my podcast, one of the things, one of my episodes I was talking about was how, how does the singer a singer, get their song to become number one? on the radio or on your media? Do you think they sing it once? And then never sing it again?Ari Gronich 30:52  Only if they recorded it on YouTube, right? viral? Yeah, let's That's true. That's very true. I actually. Here's the thing. I'm just I'm just using the fact that you're old. And we're talking about records instead of instead of digital downloads.Robert Riopel 31:16  My sister in law did yesterday, when she keeps saying, I, you know, I watch my favorite show on tape. And I'm like, really? Yep. I'm old. Hey, my birthday was only two weeks ago. So come on now.Ari Gronich 31:42  I know. Yours was two weeks ago. Mine was last week. I think that that that this was a perfect timing for a show to highlight our elderly capabilities. Because you know, kids these days think that they are much smarter than us old fogies. So,Robert Riopel 31:59  yeah, yeah, that's right. Well, to finish my story, then Gemini is in other than the viral pneus of it. When a singer sings or song, to get it to number one, they have to sing it again. And again, hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds and hundreds of times. And the ones that don't make it are the ones that start getting bored easily, and trying to change your song. making little adjustments. little tweaks, right? Have you ever been at a concert, and you love a song? And often the singer sings it in a different way at the concert. You're like, I can't.Ari Gronich 32:38  I can't sing to that.Robert Riopel 32:40  Yeah, it's crazy. So it's the same thing with any habit you want to create. If someone wants to become a trainer, they go, Robert, how do I become a trainer? Practice, tenacious practice. You've got to do it over and over and over again. And so creating a new tomorrow is about saying, I choose to be what's one step I can take? See, celebrate it, and then go Okay, what's my next step now? And just be gentle with yourself? Because if you I know will be? Well, no, you This has never happened to for you. So for that I'm referring to you on this. How many of us, if we had a best friend that treated us the way we treat ourselves? They wouldn't be our friend for very long. But yet we take it from ourselves, right? Oh, yeah.Ari Gronich 33:32  I've been I've been trying to rewrite the golden rule because I disagree completely with it. Because we don't want people to treat us the way we treat ourselves. Now, we want we want us to we want people to treat us the way we treat other people. The Golden Rule is has gotten a little shifty for me. But yeah, I mean, you know, we definitely the self talk. That is, in most people's heads is so toxic. And and I like that you're you're saying that because one of the things that I do with with trauma work a lot is mirrors. You know, it's, it's not about affirmations. affirmations to me are like akin to motivation, which is almost nothing, right doesn't doesn't provide what it's supposed to do for very long. But staring in the mirror for 300 hours, crying, screaming, wailing until you find the pieces of you that you love until you strip the masks of inauthenticity from yourself the masks of trauma. And I tell people, everything that you think about yourself is literally just a mask of trauma that you put on or other people have put on you. And our goal is to strip those masks off of trauma so that we can be authentic.Robert Riopel 34:53  Yep. Absolutely. And look, you know, that's, that's when I would do the mirror work. I started off Prepare. By time I removed everything my hair was gone. I couldn't reason that I had to go there. If someone's just listening to this, because, you know, there may be people just doing the audio. They had to know I'm aerodynamic. And ladies and gentlemen, I'm I'm not short. I've been told I'm just more grounded. So I like that as well.Ari Gronich 35:21  It's closer to the earth. Yes. Yes. Just close to the earth. Mister where's the earring? Mr. plane? That's all I want.Robert Riopel 35:33  Yeah, well, it could be this year. But that's in my ear. It just flipped up and goes in is multi purpose today. Because Mr. Clean in the airing of so yesterday. You're talking about age? Come on now. Now it has to have multi purpose. Yes.Ari Gronich 35:51  So we're cleaning ourselves up? Where we're getting, we're getting to be present. Now. What? Right now what? So somebody is looking at their life going? Now what? And by the way, I liked the fact that you brought up some questions and what kinds of questions are not necessarily the best questions like why me? As you were, you're stating a little bit Why me? Why does this happen to me? Why, you know? What are some better questions that people could ask? And you know, and I say that because one of the ones that I ask is what's next? A lot? What's the best next thing for me? What's the next thing I should be doing? What should I do now? Right? Those are the kinds of questions that I asked myself. So what are questions that you have people asking themselves so that they get to that place? So once they're present? Now what?Robert Riopel 36:50  Yeah, you know, you want to hit on one of my favorites, too powerful word. What's next? Your March Pym 2020. I land in back in Canada, from doing a powerful three day training in India. March 11, I get locked out. All my live events around the world are getting trans, canceled. And I'm not gonna say I'm perfect. I'm all that. I went through victim role in the first few days. Like what's up? And I was pissed. And then my I took a deep breath, and I went, what's next? And often the answer started coming. While Robert for years, you've been saying you want to go digital, you and I talked to myself a lot. I do already. I'm gonna admit it. And talking to yourself is never a problem. If maybe when you start arguing with yourself, you know, maybe you've maybe looked at it before GeminiAri Gronich 37:41  is where Gemini is we are a I'm a Gemini and a Jew. And if you know anything about Jewish people, you get 10 Jews in a room, you've got 100 opinions. Now, apply that by Gemini.Robert Riopel 37:56  Right? You know, some people don't know how to take it when I walk into a store that says, because of COVID sign on the door, maximum eight people in the store at a time and I say, Oh, I can't come in because all my personalities aren't allowed to come with me. Some people laugh at that they get it. And other people are just too serious. They're like, What do you mean? I'm like, if I have to explain it, nevermind. And you'll, before I answer the question, I'm going to go back to something else you said about not taking yourself so seriously. Because I like to have so much fun. And I've chosen that to be my way. I remember a person asked me one time they want Robert, I can never follow you or listen to you. Because you don't take anything seriously. And I said not a problem. I said but I will tell you, I take fun seriously. And ultimately looked at me like, Oh, I guess that makes sense. And I didn't know if it would or not. But it so what's next is one of the biggest questions, those two powerful words. But it's also another one. The other phrase is something he did say. But I'm gonna do it in in different way. Instead of going worimi? If Why me? And now turn it into a curiosity of what was the lesson in what just happened? Or what was the lesson and what you went through? Or what was the lesson? Because I am a huge firm believer and I'll tell you in the beginning I was so in the box thinker because the way I was raised anything outside of the box that was airy fairy woowoo Forget about it. Forget about it. Like even my dad today. He's 83 years old. He's about to turn 84 in a couple days, another Gemini. And you you'll sit there and you'll say Dad, what about doing this? No. Well, why not? And as soon as he says no, you're never gonna change his mind because he doesn't open his mind to anything. Right? If this is the way it is. Okay, and I've learned you don't try and change his mind it because the harder you try, the more he'll just dig in deep, right? It's just it is what it is. So, I'm a big believer that everything happens for a reason, which a lot of people have heard that statement. But a lot of people haven't heard the whole statement. They've only ever heard this. Everything happens for a reason. But the whole statement is actually everything happens for a reason. And that reason is there to serve me. And now, if you look at it from that perspective, and I'll use kind of what got me back out of retirement, I don't know if you remember. But in 2008, I was so burnt out from traveling and training so much, I had to take a hiatus, I was burnt out. And because I wasn't taking care of my body, I was giving so much I forgot to take care of me. I herniated my back. And I decided to take one year off. But that one year turned into three and a half years. And I went through two back surgeries during that time. And I had to like I say I was burnt out for about three months. My wife goes, No, you can look at a suitcase or anything for nine months. You just you know it would put you back into that phase. And so when I was in my retirement, I went from over living my passion to not living it at all. And I realized both were bad. Over living it. I wasn't taking care of myself. I was getting burnt out my body was paying the price. Not living in it all the old negative non supportive habits started coming back in because people think and this is a misconception already. They think, well, I've learned this, and it should be permanent now. And I'm going to use Oh, oh, I'm gonna explain it like this because it's Yeah, we're squirreling here. But I'll get back to your questions.Ari Gronich 41:47  I don't I don't mind nonlinear conversation.Robert Riopel 41:50  Oh, perfect. Well, you've you've seen the documentary or have you? Social dilemma. Yes. And it's really a lot of people are going oh, my God, what are they doing? They're tracking everything. They see how long they pause on a video. And now they're sending me all those up? How dare they? And they've all a lot of people what's given attraction, a lot of people have seen it in a negative way. Well, a friend of mine, who's someone you know, as well, and he took a deep dive into it. He said, let's take a look at it this in a different way. Because everything happens for a reason, that reason is there to serve me. And often, he came up with what he calls an algorithm talk. Because what he puts a twist on it, which is brilliant. He said, Well, let me ask like this, are you Do you believe in the law of attraction?Ari Gronich 42:40  I believe the law of action traction. You know, we you we've had discussions, but the law of attraction to me is the movie, The Secret all that stuff. It's a great beginning, it didn't finish. And it's it left people wanting, which is where, you know, I I take offense to it. But I do like is the science of getting rich, the book, The Science of Getting Rich, which is where all that la comes from, originally back in 1908, or something like that. And I like that it's a little more Matter of fact,Robert Riopel 43:16  but it's all the same. You're right. The actions missing, that's what people they think all just thinking, no, they've got to take action, which is absolutely true. I'm going to suggest you check out the movie, beyond the secret is a follow up. It just came out about a year and a half ago. And it brings back a lot of the secret guests where they were able to go deeper and like yeah, the secret and collaborative. But let's go beyond the secret. And you know, dive in deeper. So you might want to check that out. But what he noticed is he said, if you realize it, this social dilemma, actually just unveiled the truth of the greatest law of attraction working in our favor. Because people look at any social media you're doing. So attacking everything you do. And you're looking at your feed go, why am I getting all this? Because that's what you've been focusing on. So if you don't like what's popping up, then change your focus. If you notice that something instead of slowing down and reading it and think of how bipolar people become over COVID, right, so someone sees an article that someone has a different point of view, and they get on there and they give their point of view and this you're wrong because of this. And also now they're getting flooded with all these contradictory to their beliefs, and they're getting more upset. Well, what about just going scrolling by that you want and when you see something you like, flow, your scroll, that's my new hashtag, flow your scroll. And actually, because if they're tracking how long they're tracking how long you're looking at something, then flow your scroll to something you like, and give it a heart instead of just like and watch out instantly. Because this is a powerful thing. And I've done it, he's done it. We've done it with 1000s of students. Now you can instantly change your seen on social media by really consciously choosing what you want to look at. And people go, that's awesome. But here's what they don't realize. That's the easy part. The hard part is the maintenance of it. Right? And that's where I've now started to really change my focus on things is because yeah, when I do breakthroughs with people, they get that instant change. That's that motivation you were talking about. But then ultimately going into back into their environment. And they wonder why they slide back. And that's where having mentors and being part of mastermind groups, having coaches, it's the maintenance that makes the difference. And so, when I was in my hiatus, I had said, I'm taking one year off. That's the message I put out to the universe. And then also one year turned into a year and a half. And the universe started sending me universe, God, whatever you want go by 13 messages. Robert, you said you're only taking a year off. You're not training yet. And you know, what happens if you don't listen to a message that comes your way from the universe? smack? Yeah, it sends it to you again, within a harder way. And if you don't listen, get well here. It is August 10 2010. I'm now two years into my hiatus of the one year I said it's gonna take off. And I my in laws happen at the time where I lived, they lived across the street and seven doors up. And my mother in law's phone and said, Look, we're having problems with the TV. Would you mind coming up and help me out? I'm like, absolutely not a problem. I walk out is a gorgeous, one of the few gorgeous sunny days we get an Alberta across from our house with a big playground boat. 30 kids in it. I go up, I help her. Get the TV going. I'm walking back down the sidewalk. I'm about to cross the street to my driveway. When a couple comes walking with a big bowl massive dog from the pathway beside her house. And I love animals. So they said in front of my driveway, I'm on the sidewalk and I said down issue friendly. And they said No, she's not. We just rescued her. We're rehabilitating rehabilitating her right now. That's okay, not a problem. So they stayed there. I stayed where I was. We talked for a while. And then eventually I knelt down, and they fully brought her to me and let her smell my hand, petted her head, petted her neck, there was no issue. Until the moment I went to stand up. And the moment I went to stand up, she wanted it my throat. Now, thank goodness, in the standing motion, my chin naturally dropped. From standing in my throat. She got my chin, and she latched on so hard, she started trying to pull me to the ground. I'm instantly in shock. And the only thought in my head isif she gets me to the ground, I'm dead. So I stood up in this dog now hanging off my chin, 150 pounds, trying to pull me to the ground, the guy physically had to grab her Jaws, pry them open. And now there's blood all over the place. And it's taken both him and his wife to hold her back with the leash. Because she's trying to get back at me. Now, the only part that entered my mind is there's 30 Kids behind me in that playground. And I'm holding my chin and a blood and I'm like, Look, I live right there. Just get her out of here. Get her away from these kids. They start dragging her up the street, and I start walking on my driveway, blood all over the place. I'm getting up to my front door, and I'm about to open the door. Now the only problem I had already. If I get out of the house is gonna kill me. Insane what goes through your head when you're ready. And I open the door. And I think I did. You'll call me I'm like Roxanne Well, obviously, it wasn't gone. Because she comes running, she sees a blood you'd like what happened. I'm like a dog attack me. And so she gets a towel gets it up to my gym to stop the bleeding. And now I'm safe. So my fight or flight, I'm now I'm safe. I'm okay. And I started to get lightheaded. I'm about to pass out. And my wife knows if I draw, there's no way she's getting me to that vehicle, get me to the hospital. So she looked at me and she goes into and you'll you understand this because we've done the course. She goes into warrior mode. And she looked at me She goes, don't you think just to that car. She drives me to the hospital, five hours in emergency to get seen. And the guy comes in and he's cleaning up. And they don't like to close up dog bites, because they want any bacteria to be able to flush out. So under my gold tea. There are three puncture wounds from the dog, but right here on my chin it and rip through. And so he had to actually clean it up, cut some of the skin and took nine stitches to close that up. Now look, I went into victim mode and I'm like, why did this happen to me? And when I calm down, I switched the question to Why did this happen to me and I'll finish it Curiosity was activated from that space of, you know, okay, it happened for a reason that really served me for why. And all sudden, what came to my mind is some, you know, product life directions, that universal principle, that which is not utilized is eliminated, my gift had one inch further, the dog would have got my jugular. And me and my gift would have been gone just like that. And I realized, wow, I'm not living my gift. And it could be taken that quickly. And in that moment, I made the decision, I had to train again. I didn't have to train because financially, I hadn't had to do anything for years. But I had to train because it was my gift to the world, if that makes sense. And I'm looking at the universe going, I don't need any more lessons. I got it. I got it. And within two weeks of me making that decision, me owning it. Within two weeks, I got a call asking if I'd come out of retirement. And it was an easy, yes.Ari Gronich 51:00  Yes, I will give me six weeks got agenda got to clear up.Robert Riopel 51:05  And actually, it took a year and a half, because of I was going through the rehabilitation of two back surgeries. And because one of the decisions was if I'm going to do this again, I will not put my body through that again. Right, I will take care of my body. And so and that's what I decided that instead of doing 4050, full on training here, I would do maximum 20. So that even with traveling all over the world, I get six months a year to be at home. Because I like my time off. Yeah, software, I learned more about balance.Ari Gronich 51:33  So I'm going to interrupt you a second. So what I'm hearing is the difference between a goal and an agreement, or a commitment. Right? So a lot of people put I'm going to speak in a year as a goal, right. But then there's, it's like, what happens on the in between? Yeah, versus an agreement, whereas I'm going to be ready to speak in a year by doing these things up till then. So that by that year, I'm on stage having spoken. That's exactly it. So it sounds like you made an agreement with yourself. You didn't keep it. So the universe said. And you said Oh shit, I got it now. I'm gonna keep greementRobert Riopel 52:29  Yep. And that's it. Because we're, it's so easy to give up on our agreements, we'll we'll stay true to an agreement with another person a lot longer than we will to ourselves. And so it's a matter of saying, My commitment to me is important. My commitment to my belief, and my goals and my dreams. You know, one of the things I teach people is what I call the authority master key. And I love acronyms. So I use the acronym vital. And the the L in vital stands for loyalty. And I talked about and I'll tie it into whatever group I'm talking about why to be loyal to this, this myth. But then I stop. And I say and the most important thing to be loyal to is your own dreams. Plain and simple. And I dropped the mic at that point. I do the dramatic effect every once in a while you know that? Oh,Ari Gronich 53:23  you've got to? I mean, I remember the tea drinking. Yep. It wasn't drinking tea. It was. I'm drinking tea. Now. Do you see me drinking tea? This is what you should be doing on your stage.Robert Riopel 53:38  Drinking. Yeah, and watching people be bewildered like, What is he doing? What does that all mean? Until then, when you explain it open up the light bulb and go get it right. Exactly.Ari Gronich 53:53  Yeah. Wow. So we've gone through questioning and questions that that matter. And one of the things I want to just clarify within your questioning, you're asking questions out of curiosity, versus asking questions out of, and I'm going to just fill in my blank, which is out of judgment out of already thinking you know the answer. So when you ask a question like Why me? You already think you know the answer. I'm bad this way. I haven't done this right. I am I you know, when I was two, I you know, my parents had to spank my butt because I wasn't listening. And when I was 10, it was this. And so I'm just and it validates an already preconceived question, right, or answer that we have. It's kind of like a police officer interrogating somebody in a in an interrogation thinking that they already know that you're guilty. So all they're trying to lead you is to the answer that they want, right? Yep. Versus Yes. And asking questions that will need to open ended solutions or answers? Right? Like what's andRobert Riopel 55:05  that's the that's the part I said about courageously allowing life to live, you versus you living life, right? And that's what gets you out of victim role. Because if you're asking the question from the victim space, you're going to validate that you're a victim, you're going to validate that everything bad happens to you, and that you're the one on the receiving end and isn't bullshit. And no wonder I don't do as good as I could. And no wonder my life is crap. Or you can sit there and say, okay, I've let that go. Now, what's the lesson that I can use to empower myself?Ari Gronich 55:37  Yeah, and and for me, like, just, for example, I'm doing a lot of trauma work right now, you would have ever gotten as empathetic and as able to handle the depths of other people's pain? Had I not experienced those depths of pain myself, and come out of them? and learned those things? So I absolutely I used to have that. Why me? Why me? victim victim victim? And I still, you know, it's we all do? A little bit, right? It's Yeah, who's across that way? The differences is that I own the victim, like, Yeah, I was a victim of that guy who did that thing. And it's not a bad thing to be the victim of something like somebody gets raped, you're the victim of rape. And it's okay to say that, and what are you going to do now? So for me, it's what's next? It's what what did I do with that I took that nobody should ever have to live in that kind of emotional turmoil in their bodies, like I did, for my entire, you know, childhood growing up. So I'm going to help people clear that up, I'm going to help, right, because the minute that, that blocked that stopping them from living, soRobert Riopel 57:03  and that's what allows you to connect with people I can never connect with. Because if I tried to say, Oh, I understand, and I'm coming from a place of Unknowing. And you know, I'm gonna reconnect you with Aaron, because I think he would be a phenomenal guest for your podcasts, to go down a deep rabbit hole on this, because he talks about let your pain be your path. Let your wounds be your way, let your you know what you've gone through be the resume of why you can actually help other people. And and when you understand that, okay, I went through this. Now, who can I help, maybe not have the pain I did, maybe get through it a little quicker, maybe decide not to try that suicide, maybe decide that they are important enough to be on this planet that this planet needs them. And I'm going to say like that this planet needs them. So to have that understanding, if we didn't have those experiences, you would not be connected with the people so deeply in the way you do. And that's one of the things I so appreciate about the fact that you do own, that this has been my journey. Now what and the people that and it comes back to something you and I are talking to me, they've even been off the recording. But you may even you probably don't even have any idea of the people you've actually impacted because of the people you've worked with, who have gone back into their life in a different way. And also the people in their life are going, Wow, something's different about them. So often it changes their perspective of life, which there may be changes someone else's perspective life. And so you could have four or five, six degrees of separation of people that you impacted, because of helping one person see that you know what, I create a new tomorrow, the way I want to, and if I live my life in a different light. And we don't have to know who we're helping, right. That's what makes it even better.Ari Gronich 59:02  Just like my story today of you that you didn't know about, right? That impacted me. I had a similar occurrence. I gave somebody a hug at a party once I was 24. It was a guy. He was a psychologist from New York. So very, not in their emotions, right, very mental kind of person. And about eight years later, he I was at a Tantra party with him and hadn't seen him in many years. And he said he pulled me aside he said I just want to tell you how you impacted me. He said you gave me a hug once at a party. And you held on like you meant it was like and that's just me. I was That was my personality. I'm a cobbler. And he said my family are are not huggers. In fact, before you did that it had been over 10 years since I had even had a hug from my brother. Wow. And when I went back to New York, after that I was I was talking to him while we were on the street. And I just felt compelled to hug him. And I hugged him and I held on. And it was the first time that we had a hug, probably ever in our lives, like fully hugged. And I'm going, Okay, he said, My entire family has now become a hugging family. Love each other, and we treat each other. Like we mean, it came from you. And I'm like, I mean, how could you have any idea of that?Robert Riopel 1:00:53  And how could you plan for it? How can you plan that this is the impact you're gonna have today? That partUnknown Speaker 1:01:00  is just I mean,Ari Gronich 1:01:04  we never know what the impact is. And especially my favorite thing, the butterfly effect, you know, what are the ripples ripple effect, the butterfly effect of any action that we do, whether it's a good consequence or a bad consequence, there's a ripple effect to every action. And every actor typically has polarity in the consequences in the things that happen, right? So if you if you get off off coal, for instance, right, you have a net effects of positivity for the environment, for instance, however, there's going to be an effective all these people who have their livelihoods for the last couple 100 years that they won't have. So if you know that there's a ripple effect, you can plan for it. And then you could say, Okay, so what are those ripple effects? 1020 years down the line, 100 years down the line, and all of a sudden, the plan becomes so detailed in the minutiae that you can really actually create the change, knowing that you're going to have an effect here and we're going to compensate there. We're going to have effect here. We're going to come You know, it's,Robert Riopel 1:02:14  it's beautiful. You have you affect change. Right infecting change.Ari Gronich 1:02:22  You know, you and the Coronavirus and your infections. Well, you know, I did have a good Corona last night and around the fire. So I like my Corona. Brown, right. It's the crown. jewel. Well, that's what Corona is correct. Corona is, right. So they made it the king, they put all these spike proteins to give it a crown. And then they named it after that. And they said, hey, you're the king of all pandemics? I mean, pandemics? Yeah, without my Okay, boy. Yeah. That was a slip of the tongue. A Freudian slip. But anyway. So I think people are getting that, that there's so many ways to be when you're creating a new tomorrow, but the actions of questioning with curiosity, the need to balance for overwhelm, right? There's all these different places that people go, what I find is like, most people, they walk around the house all day or the office all day, not knowing what to do next. Right? Yep. You see people in like, I just don't know what to do. And so I'm not doing anything because I don't know what to do. It's like they're paralyzed in this confusion, space. So go, but I'm so busy. I don't have time for anything. Right. But the busy is usually up here, not the external busy. It's that, like, I know this for me. I get so stuck in the head. And I get so busy in my thoughts, planning new things, thinking of new things, flushing out my ideas that I go, I am so busy. And I haven't done anything the old day. Right? ButRobert Riopel 1:04:15  yet you're drained. Mental drain just really? And then you're like, how am I going to keep this up? Is it worth it? Because, look, I haven't even really accomplished anything and yet I'm so tired. That becomes that catch 22Ari Gronich 1:04:30  right. So what is, you know, the business tricks? You've been a business trainer, we're not talking a whole lot about business. What's the business trick for life? For when somebody gets to a place where the mental overwhelm the language in the head, the words the voices, the stories, the wants, the needs that I don't have all that stuff? gets crashed in somebody's mind. How How would you quiet The quiet this morning, you know, we did this thing called wizard once. And so I'm kind of bringing you into a wizardly way of of being here so that the audience can get more into that position. Well, I'm not going to tell it what, what, what the position is that you want to be in, because that would be wrong.Robert Riopel 1:05:22  Here's the thing for me, because everybody's so different. Everybody's unique, everybody's themselves. So it's understanding yourself, first of all, to me is the number one understanding. I know I am a world class procrastinator. And I have no problem admitting that because if I tried to deny it, it just can keep creeping up and sabotaging is gonna keep and everything will become the 11th hour. And I got I gotta get it done. I gotta get, right. And so I I'm, I'll acknowledge and I'll say, yeah, that's who I am. I No, I am. And I'm okay with that. So one of the tricks I use, is knowing I'm a world class class procrastinator, I came up with a quote that I use as a mantra. I designed my day, in such a way that procrastination cannot play. And so that means is I purposely will book a lot of my calls and meetings for first thing in the morning. Why? Because as soon as I commit to someone else, then I'm gonna get my ass out of bed and get it done. But if I don't have a call till then 1130, then it's easy to go home. There's a few folks, I did so much yesterday. I'm tired. I'm just gonna. And I'm going to reset my alarm. Now, on the other side of that, because then while Robert doesn't that just make you busier and busier, busier, because you're always up early. And, and I'm a late night person anyway, do right. So I don't get a lot of sleep. But then one of the adjustments I've recently made. Okay, when Corona happened, I got busy. But I got so busy. I can with time zones around the world for students, I've talked to all over the world. It can be 6am to 1am. I was going, going, going going getting burnt out. Because when I put my mom's home, I just I don't take care of myself. Yeah, anybody? Do you know anybody like that aren't just curious,Ari Gronich 1:07:14  watching a few trillion people like that?Robert Riopel 1:07:17  Yep. And so my wife instituted one thing. She said, here's what we're gonna do. At noon, we sit down, we have lunch, we put our phones down. And we play cards and connect. At dinner, we put our phones down, we have dinner, we watch TV, and we just relax. instituting those two simple little things often changed my whole day, where I wasn't feeling overwhelmed, wasn't feeling burnt out. Because now on my calendar, because I'm not used to living by a calendar per se. But everything gets scheduled now. So that I know if there's a meeting and by going back to something we taught in one of the programs you learn is we use a big rock system. The first thing we put on our calendars are those balance pieces. family's important. So I'm here with family right now. Now, can I still do work in that? Yes, because with technology, I can do it. So but the family is scheduled in first. And then when I now look at my schedule, I plan other things in so I can do interviews, I can do things guilt free, without beating myself up, thinking I'm taking my time away. Because I know the moment I'm done this call, I've got time back with family, I'm gonna actually drive back to my home about an hour and a half, take care of our animals, and drive back up here. And tonight, we'll be sitting around a fire talking about you know, how important our family is to us. Think of the memories and just reliving stories. And I don't cuz I don't have anything else booked for the rest of the day. That's it. And then take one more step further. As is even it was so easy to go. Come to me, I haven't had weekends in years. Becau

Hi, I am here with Joshua Spodek, He is a three-time TEDx speaker, #1 bestselling author of Initiative and Leadership Step by Step, host of the award-winning This Sustainable Life podcast, and professor at NYU. He holds a PhD in astrophysics and an MBA from Columbia, where he studied under a Nobel Laureate and helped launch a satellite (having emerged from some of Philadelphia's most dangerous neighborhoods). He left academia to found a venture to market an invention that showed animated images to subway riders between stations.Ari Gronich 0:07  Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host Ari Gronich and I have with me Josh spodek. Now, this is a guy I thought I had a pre interview with him, I was really excited to talk to him. He's a three time TEDx speaker, this guy has, he's a best selling author of this book initiative and leadership, step by step, the sustainable life podcast is award winning with that. Professor at NYU, you've even you know, taught leadership at West Point with the director of US Secretary of Defense, right?Joshua Spodek 0:47  Yes, he's since become the secretary defense. Is that because of working with me, I can't say for sure. Well,Ari Gronich 0:52  well, we'll get into that, we'll get into that. So tell us a little bit about your background and why leadership was such an important role. And the reason I want to preface this for the audience, the reason I'm so excited is because I am really looking at the deep dive into leadership and what makes people leaders, what makes people followers, and so on. So I'm really excited to have Josh here.Joshua Spodek 1:16  Well, glad to be here. And I'll start with a very brief part about beforehand. If you want to know more, let me know. Because growing up, I was pretty nerdy, pretty geeky, I got a PhD in physics, I helped build a satellite that's orbiting the Earth right now. And for a while I really thought physics, I want to be a physicist. And then I ended up leaving, after got my PhD to start my first company, and was very successful that was successful, then can the recession and it's difficult times, I got squeezed out by the investors, very painful experience. Could not by that point, I severed my ties with academia. So I couldn't really go back. I ended up going to business school. And that's where I found classes and leadership. Awesome. So weAri Gronich 2:01  talked about this a little bit. And in my, in my witnessing of the world, right, I feel like Kennedy was probably, at least as a president, the last great leader of our country. And the thing that I think made him a leader is not only did he bring people along with his vision, but he gave mandates he gave direction to those visions, he said, we're going to go to the moon by the end of the decade, go do that. And then all of a sudden, people started flocking to create what he kind of mandated, we should do. So where do you think that that's lacking in the leadership? And how does your you know your vision of leadership, address those kinds of things, so that we can move forward faster versus wait for another great leader to show up?Joshua Spodek 2:54  Okay, so I'm gonna take the last that you said there, what can we what can we do ourselves instead of just waiting for the next great leaders show up? Is it learning social and emotional skills, performance skills, is different than learning things about factual recall things that you can take verbal tests for write papers about, you can write papers about leadership, but the actual practice of it, you have to face you have to understand yourself, you have to learn empathy, compassion, listening, as well as confidence. And these are not things you can read your way into, or write your way into. SoAri Gronich 3:33  just to go on in my background, right? Every time I've ever had a position of leadership, it was in a style of master apprentice, right. So I had somebody who was teaching me how to be a leader. And then as a leader, I would be teaching somebody how to be what I'm doing, right. So I always had a master apprentice kind of relationship in that way. And it was very experiential. And I just want to kind of come back to what you just said, about doing the practice of, and knowing your traumas, or knowing your history, because I've always told people that what I'm doing trauma, work with them if you want to get on a camera, but you're afraid of what people will think of you. The only way to do that is to get on that camera with people who are safe. And so if you keep rebuilding the same, or if you rebuild the somatic trauma with new somatic experiences, you'll be able to then reprogram that neuro pathway. And as you do that, you get more and more comfortable being on stage, for instance, that kind of what you're saying with regards to leadership.Joshua Spodek 4:50  Yeah, I mean, you said building neural pathways. It's the I would just simply say learning. It's to learn to do things. It is effective. Forming neural pathways you're learning. And you have to, you have to practice these things. I mean, if you simply read about leadership, you will learn how to read about leadership. That's different than it's like learning, reading about playing piano. It teaches you how to read how to play piano, but only fingers on the keyboard to it, that's the same thing that's going to certain neural pathways.Ari Gronich 5:24  Right. So tell me about about that westpoint gig. You know, you're you're working with professors who are also Captain through colonels, you know, typically, you're working with the student population who's looking to become the next leader, and officer. And I'll tell you the truth, when I when I spent four years of my life and Air Force Junior ROTC, which, you know, doesn't sound like a lot, but it was, it was an interesting experience, because my experience of the leadership was really all about ego. If somebody had joined two weeks before me and didn't know half of what I knew their word still got accepted as fact, versus what is the truth or optimization. And so, within military, I always find that there's so much what's the word overage of, of duties, like, somebody who's knows his business is being told to do his business and then has to do it twice or three times? Right. And so that leadership doesn't really translate to, to trust in the person that you have hired. Whereas in business, we're starting to learn that you've got to like, not micromanage. And so within regards to West Point, and what you're doing with the military there, how does that micromanage versus leadership, and, and breaking the ego of leadership so that it's really more of a service position versus a I am a leader? position?Joshua Spodek 7:07  Well, just a lot there. I don't know if I can cover all of that. And you distinguish between micromanagement and leadership, that what I heard, I would make the distinction between authority and leadership. And, and so your experience in the military is much greater than mine. And by the way, I appreciate your service. And it was, it was just Memorial Day. And it's, I have a deep appreciation for the and a greater appreciation for the freedom that I have as a result of having spent time with the military, very limited time. But my understanding is that there's a chain of command. And if you're given a direct order, you gotta follow a lawful direct order. But that's the last thing you want to rely on. You can rely on authority if you have to, and what is authority, if not, the ability to hurt someone, if they don't do what you tell them to do? Well, that's almost an invitation for them to undermine that authority if they can, because I don't want you to hurt me, if I don't do what you tell me to do. But if you can find out why I, if you can find something, a motivation inside me that you can connect with the task, then I'll want to do it for my intrinsic motivation. That's what I really work on. That's not very well taught in school. And, and yet, it's not that hard to teach.Ari Gronich 8:24  watching out for the manipulation. Right. So I want to just kind of break that part of, you know, we're talking about motivation can be used for good or bad, right? So once you get a hold of their motivation, right, so how does somebody tell if somebody who's leading them is gathering their motivations for the benefit or the not benefit? So motivations that could be like, well, I want you to take this poison, because it'll be good for the country, right? Or I want you to, you know, it's like, so how do I get Okay, so I know that you're really, really patriotic, right? And so you will take that poison, because you believe fully that it's good for the country. So that would be to me like a, what could possibly be an abuse of leadership versus something that would be more positive? So how do we how do we, as a listener, as an audience member who's maybe being led or wanting to lead, how do they make sure that they do it with pure motivation? Or that they're being led from somebody who has pure motivation, versus being led through fraud or, you know, that's the word. withholding of information not being completely authentic?Joshua Spodek 9:54  Well, this so this is pretty powerful stuff and you're working with people's deep emotions and you could easily hurt someone this way. You definitely when you do this, and it takes months to develop it, or years, some people stumble on it maybe founded as a child just to happen to get a technique like it. And Eisenhower said, you know, leadership, paraphrase here is getting him to do your thing for his reason. And so if the very similar to what I'm talking about, and you will, when someone opens up with you and shares these things, you will feel a Machiavellian feeling of like, Oh, now I can get them to do things. You will also, even from a purely Machiavellian standpoint, you will recognize, if you use that once that way, that's it, you've lost that you've made an enemy of that person, they're gonna hate you. And so even if you were purely psychopathic, you would recognize I can't speak to what it's like for somebody psychopathic, but if you're, you're gonna realize you, you got one shot at ruining the relationship, this person forever, and you're not gonna want to do it. But they're also going toAri Gronich 11:07  have that set up. That's on a one to one. Let me I'm just gonna interject. So you you consult with politicians. So politicians are famous for making promises and leading people into places where they are literally where the people are literally voting against their own self interests. Right? So yes, on a one on one basis, the person may know, okay, my motivation is a little Machiavellian, I might want to turn that down so that I don't isolate this one person who I'm in relationship with. But when you're a politician, and you're ruling over 100,000 1,000,002 million, or however many, and you don't have those personal relationships, you tend to get led down a wrong line. And so as a as an audience, let's say a voter, right, who's voting for for policy, who wants to know that they're being led by somebody who is being authentic? and non Machiavellian, right? How do they recognize that?Joshua Spodek 12:10  Well, I want to recognize that we've completely switched domains. Learning to play piano is one thing, learning how to command an audience at Rock, not rocking at Lincoln Center say, it's a very different thing. showmanship on stage is very different. There's a lot of stage music, session musicians, who are technically proficient and you play music better than anyone, but they can't, you know, work a crowd, right? Likewise, is playing musicians who can they know to chords, but they can work crowd. And so it's very different sets of skills to lead one person one on one was what we were talking about, and leading a large group of people.Ari Gronich 12:46  Absolutely, thank you so much for, for coming on. You know, I am a I'm a believer that in order to create a new tomorrow, we have to challenge ourselves like a lobster in its shell, you know, got to break free from one shell before we could get to your next show. It's not comfortable, it's not easy. But if we have more conversations that explore these kinds of, you know, topics, then we'll get to a deeper truth. And that deeper truth, my hope is, will help to activate people's vision for a better world so that they can truly lead themselves and lead others. And, and we can change the world together. So I really appreciate you being on here. So thank you very much for coming.Joshua Spodek 13:35  Thank you for having me. I hope that I think I said things that I think me in the past would have benefited from different people may resonate or not, but I hope I hope for some people at least, that we things that we shared, help them further their path.Ari Gronich 13:50  Absolutely. Well, thank you so much. And this has been another episode of create a new tomorrow. I've been your host, Ari Gronich with Josh spodek. Thank you so much for coming on. And remember, we're activating your vision for a better world. 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Now, this is a guy I taught, I had a pre interview with him, I was really excited to talk to him. He's a three time TEDx speaker, this guy has, he's a best selling author of this book initiative and leadership, step by step, the sustainable life podcast is award winning with that. Professor at NYU, you've even you know, taught leadership at West Point with the director of US Secretary of Defense, right?Joshua Spodek 0:56  Yes, he's since become the Secretary of Defense. Is that because of working with me? I can't say for sure. Well,Ari Gronich 1:01  well, we'll get into that, we'll get into that. So tell us a little bit about your background and why leadership was such an important role. And the reason I'm going to preface this for the audience, the reason I'm so excited is because I am really looking at the deep dive into leadership and what makes people leaders, what makes people followers, and so on. So I'm really excited to have Josh here.Joshua Spodek 1:25  Well, glad to be here. And I'll start with a very brief part about beforehand. If you want to know more, let me know. Because growing up, I was pretty nerdy, pretty geeky. I got a PhD in physics, I helped build a satellite that's orbiting the Earth right now. And for a while I really thought physics, I want to be a physicist. And then I ended up leaving, after got my PhD to start my first company, and was very successful. That was successful. Then came the recession. And it was difficult times, I got squeezed out by the investors, very painful experience. Could not by that point, I severed my ties with academia. So I couldn't really go back. I ended up going to business school. And that's where I found classes in leadership that I did not know existed. I thought, Martin Luther King was born that way. Mandela was born that way. Eisenhower was born that way, I couldn't really change who I was. And I learned that On the contrary, you can change, you can develop social emotional skills. Although I'll clarify that in school, I learned that you could. And there we had. The classes were case study, reading and writing papers, not actually doing the things after Business School. Yeah, I go into meeting thinking I've gotten great grades and leadership classes physical, I'm a leader, I will run this meeting. And it didn't do very well. Because I later learned how to learn through and how I teach is experientially if you want to. And so I look at what I learned in school was like, you can learn music appreciation. And that's, you know, you'll learn about the lives of Bach and Beethoven. But you'll learn how to play you got to play scales. Same with leadership, I learned leadership appreciation in school. What I teach now is and what it coaches how to lead. And it's a deep, deep passion of mine. Awesome. SoAri Gronich 3:18  we talked about this a little bit. And in my, in my witnessing of of the world, right, I feel like Kennedy was probably, at least as a president, the last great leader of our country. And the thing that I think made him a leader is not only did he bring people along with his vision, but he gave mandates he gave direction to those visions, he said, we're going to go to the moon by the end of the decade, go do that. And then all of a sudden, people started flocking to create what he kind of mandated we should do. So where do you think that that's lacking in the leadership and how does your you know your vision of leadership address those kinds of things so that we can move forward faster versus wait for another great leader to show up?Joshua Spodek 4:12  Okay, so I'm gonna take the last thing you said there, what can we what can we do ourselves instead of just waiting for the next great leaders show up? Is it learning social and emotional skills, performance skills, is different than learning things about factual recall things that you can take bubble test for write papers about? You can write papers about leadership, but the actual practice of it, you have to face you have to understand yourself, you have to learn empathy, compassion, listening, as well as confidence. And these are not things you can read your way into, or write your way into and learning them requires there are there gonna be times I guarantee everyone who tries at some point they will think this. I've been at the six months I'm worse off than I was when I started. I'm not going to get anywhere others can do this, I just can't do it, everyone will think that at some point, that's part of the process and table get through that. It's a, it's something different than what our schools have come to teach these days. Our schools, there are, there are exceptions. But generally, it's factual recall, it's abstract analysis, which is valuable. I don't want to take away from that. But it doesn't help you face fears of going in front of an audience and allow yourself to be vulnerable and sometimes failing, not just failing. But like being being ridiculed, being disrespected, and bouncing back. You can get it in other areas, and just practicing leadership, there's sports, give it to performance arts, I think leadership is a performance art.Unknown Speaker 5:54  SoAri Gronich 5:56  just to go in, in my background, right. Every time I've ever had a position of leadership, it was in a style of master apprentice, right. So I had somebody who was teaching me how to be a leader. And then as a leader, I would be teaching somebody how to be what I'm doing, right. So I always had a master apprentice kind of relationship in that way. And it was very experiential. And I just want to kind of come back to what you just said, about doing the practice of, and knowing your traumas, or knowing your history, because I've always told people that when I'm doing trauma, work with them, if you want to get on a camera, but you're afraid of what people will think of you, the only way to do that is to get on that camera with people who are safe. And so if you keep rebuilding the same, or if you rebuild the somatic trauma with new somatic experiences, you'll be able to then reprogram that neuro pathway. And as you do that, you get more and more comfortable being on stage, for instance, that kind of what you're saying, with regards to leadership.Joshua Spodek 7:14  Yeah, I mean, you say building neural pathways, it's the I would just simply say, learning, it's to learn to do things, it is effect, forming neural pathways you're learning. And you have to, you have to practice these things. I mean, if you simply read about leadership, you will learn how to read about leadership. That's different than it's like learning, reading about playing piano. It teaches you how to read how to play piano, but only fingers on the keyboard to it, that's the same thing that's going to certain neural pathways. At the beginning, when you play piano, I learned to play piano, but I think that, you know, you play some scale, the thumb is gonna hit harder than the pinky generally. So you have to learn how to modulate the, you know, hit with the same, if you want the same volume, you have to hit with the same force, which means you have to push harder with your pinky. Likewise, if you're going to lead people, and you want to make people feel comfortable sharing what motivates them, so that you motivate them intrinsically, not telling them what to do, that managers can do that. And that's effective at times. But sometimes, intrinsic motivation is going to get you much farther. And if you presume to know what the person what motivates them, you're almost certainly gonna be wrong. So how do you but for them to share that is generally makes them feel vulnerable. So they're going to protect that. So if I'm going to communicate, and behave in ways to make them feel comfortable sharing that, that takes that kind of nuance, that kind of subtlety, that kind of being able to pick up facial expression, I movement, tone of voice, both seeing there's as well asAri Gronich 8:58  doing your own got modulating your own. So how do you do that? Do you use mirror work to modulate your own or do you like, what what is your process for creating that level of leadership in yourself and awareness?Joshua Spodek 9:14  I'll give a very low level and not a somewhat low level incident and give a high level answer. When I okay, after school, I picked up there was this difference between learning about something learning something. And at this at the time I was watching inside the actress to do a bunch I don't know if people have seen it, but I love it. It's now it's no longer James Lipton. He's is some other hosts now. But he'd bring on all the best guests. Pacino De Niro, Streep, you know people like that. And I kept noticing that they had the skills that I was supposed to have learned in Business School. Over and over again. They kept saying they dropped out of school, they got kicked out of school, they never went to school in the first place. Like that's weird because I went to an Ivy League business school and my professors weren't Nowhere near able to practice the emotional and social skills that these people could and yet they didn't go to school at all. And then the more I studied or learn about them, because my curiosity is now like, what's going on? How's it? How's this possible, it shouldn't be this way. It's not that they they stopped going, that what they're talking about was like mainstream course course in high school, they would still get education. And so then I learned about like, the group theater and Stanislavski and this whole history of theater. And there's a style of learning there. I ended up taking Meisner technique classes. So Meisner was one of the big teachers of the of the movement. And the technique was, it starts off these very simple exercises, that when you do them, they're so simple. It's almost like, what's the point. But then the next exercise is a little bit more than that. And the next section has a little bit more than that. And before you know it, you're doing these amazing, I was doing these amazing things, I was crying on stage, on purpose to using the technique, which I never would have expected I could do. And so if you look at the way I teach, now, it's Meisner technique. But instead of By the way, they're doing construction next door, I hope that it's not too loud,Ari Gronich 11:13  I can hear it a little bit, but we could try to get in and post.Joshua Spodek 11:18  So the hopefully not too distracting, I feel like now we're all used to like, we used to be in Sound Studios, and now it's just our living rooms,Unknown Speaker 11:26  I know. And,Joshua Spodek 11:28  alright, so I take out the stuff that's specific to acting, and I bring in stuff that's specific to most of my clients or business leadership. But some politicians, people like that, too. There's lots of areas that you can do leadership and sports and education, so forth. So I put in exercises that are relevant to that style of leadership. So it begins with very simple basics. And then you move up. So now I'm going to go from management technique. But this is how you learn sports. To play musical instrument to perform dance singing, the military, you begin with very simple basics. And when you get a certain level of proficiency with the basics, you move up to intermediate. And when you move up from there, you get to mastery, and there's no limit to how well you can act or how well you can play tennis. So there's no place to stop, you can always get better. And as you gain fluency in it, you you communicate more you learn more about yourself. It's a wonderful experience. And it's just as far as I can tell people didn't do it with leadership. I did. And then you know, that's why I end up at West Point in places like that.Ari Gronich 12:41  Right. So tell me about about that westpoint gig. You know, you're you're working with professors who are also Captain through colonels, you know, typically, you're working with the student population who's looking to become the next leader and officer. And I'll tell you the truth when I when I spent four years of my life and Air Force Junior ROTC, which, you know, doesn't sound like a lot. But it was it was an interesting experience, because my experience of the leadership was really all about ego. If somebody had joined two weeks before me and didn't know half of what I knew their words still got accepted as fact, versus what's the truth or optimization. And so, within military, I always find that there's so much what's the word overage of, of duties, like, somebody who's knows his business is being told to do his business and then has to do it twice or three times? Right? And so that leadership doesn't really translate to, to trust in the person that you have hired. Whereas in business, we're starting to learn that you've got to like not micromanage. And so within regards to West Point, and what you're doing with the military there, how does that micromanage versus leadership, and, and breaking the ego of leadership so that it's really more of a service position versus I am a leader? position?Joshua Spodek 14:23  Well, just a lot there. I don't know if I can cover all of that. And you distinguish between micromanagement and leadership that what I heard, I would make the distinction between authority and leadership. And, and so your experience in the military is much greater than mine. And by the way, I appreciate your service. And it was it was just Memorial Day, and it's, I have a deep appreciation for the and a greater appreciation for the freedom that I have as a result of having spent time with the military. Very limited time. But my understanding is that there's a chain of command If you're given a directory, you got to follow a lawful direct order. But that's the last thing you want to rely on. You can rely on authority, if you have to what is authority, if not, the ability to hurt someone, if they don't do what you tell them to do? Well, that's almost an invitation for them to undermine that authority that can because I don't want you to hurt me, if I don't do what you tell me to do. But if you can find out why I, if you can find something, a motivation inside me that you can connect with a task, then I'll want to do it for my intrinsic motivation. That's what I really work on. That's not very well taught in school. And, and yet, it's not that hard to teach.Ari Gronich 15:41  Okay, so I want you to give me an example, I'm going to use me as an example, because you know, it's my show, I get to do that. But I have a seven year old, I'm a dad. And there are times in which I want to be an authority, or authoritarian with him. And I was like, you need to do this, you need to do this. That's it. No, no questions. And then there's this other side of me that's going what I'm doing sometimes isn't working as well as I'd like it to. And I'd much rather have a pleasant peaceful life with my son, and then one that's adversarial. So I'm trying to learn how to be a leader as a father, and do what you say is motivate his intrinsic motivation. So give me a kind of like, how would How would you go about doing that? Like, what what's the the pieces? What are the questions I would ask myself? Well,Joshua Spodek 16:32  I'm going to translate this to piano. You asked, like, how do I play this piece. And I'm really taught how to play this, you have to practice the basics. And if you're starting from you're not sewing for, I don't know where it's coming from. But if you start from never having played piano before, you got to start with the scales. I can tell you play when when when it says this note, hit that key when it says that note hit that key. But that's not really that's not musical expression. That's just mechanical doing things. So if someone wants to learn how to improve their relationships with others, you got to practice the basics in what you're talking about there. If I want to motivate someone through their intrinsic motivations, I have to find out what those motivations are. Which means I have to listen to them, I have to observe what motivates them. And generally, what I'm going to do is, I'll ask them, What motivates you. Not quite like that? asked what some?Ari Gronich 17:28  What are the things you like?Joshua Spodek 17:29  Yeah, what are some things that you like? And they're generally going to protect themselves? They're like, I presume your son? How old? Is he? Seven, seven. So he's not at the stage where he's just gonna say the opposite, just because, you know, but he might not be aware of it himself. He might not really know like, maybe he likes to play video games. But is it because it's fun, because it's distracting or whatever? So after asking, I'm going to presume that the answer that people give at different ages for different reasons is not the full answer. It's but in general, it's going to be a mix of the answer plus a few layers on top of protecting themselves of what they think you want. They think you want to hear what they think is the right answer. So then want to ask a series of confirming, clarifying questions, not not putting myself so if I say, you know, I'm gonna ask you what, what's, what's your passion behind leadership? What is leadership matters so much to you? You'll probably give me an answer. Whatever your answer, whatever your answer is, if I repeat it back to you, even if I get a word for word, exactly what you said, Your words can't match what's in your heart and in your mind, so I'm not going to get it quite right. Even if I say exactly what you said. So you're probably gonna say no, that's not quite right. If I asked you, what, can you correct me, and then I keep confirming, clarifying until you go. Yes, that's it. That's exactly it. Now I know what motivates you. Now I have something now I have the intrinsic thing inside you, one of many of you know, an infinite number of things that motivate you. It could be experiences, it could be hopes, dreams, but it's gonna be something that I identify as. If it's, if it's something very particular to you, it's probably not, it's probably something more deep down, that I can empathize with, when I get something like that, then I can if I can connect that to the task, then I will inspire the person. But how to do all that. I mean, I just jumped like, this week's worth of of the course, into one quick thing, because it takes a while to learn how to ask the question effectively, how to listen how to confirm and clarify.Ari Gronich 19:42  Yeah, but you have you have that outline that you've been able to very clearly Express so I'm answering as a as a as an educator, ya know, it's ask questions. Learn about the person that that you're trying to motivate. So, know and then assess and reassess. clarify, those are all great tips for for the audience. So no,Joshua Spodek 20:06  I appreciate, I would say not so much. Sorry to interrupt but not so much tips as signposts to go along the way the tips would be like practice the basics. I would tips would be like what to do specifically to develop the skills. Right. SoAri Gronich 20:20  okay, so questioning skills. So let's, let's go to that one first, what what are some tips on how to develop questioning skills? In in this area of finding out what exactly it's so I'll just give you so there's a difference between asking questions to gather a solution or just solve a problem. And there's ways to ask questions to interrogate and basically get somebody to admit what you already think that they want to know what you, you know, think that they want to tell you. So there's two different ways to ask questions in my world. In your world, how do you ask questions that lead to the results that you want to get?Joshua Spodek 20:59  Well, in this area, I would say start with the expect expectation that they have a passion is different than what you expect, when I say passion, I mean, strong motivation, not necessarily related to like physical passions, just a strong motivation, take for granted that they do. And it's probably not what you expect, it will be a mix of what you expect plus other things. So when you get an answer, so you're going to get something about them that you couldn't possibly know except that they will tell you. And when they tell you, it's gonna be a mix of what is in there, plus some protection plus these other things. So but they want, it's one of the great feelings in life, is to share what you care about most, to someone who supports you for it. So your questions when you confirm and clarify. Here's a way to get them to shut up or to clam up is to judge them. And even positive judgment, people like Oh, if I said it was good, well, I know when someone judges me one way, if I let them do that, all they want that at some point is going to go the other way. So I generally don't say, Oh, I try to avoid good, bad, right and wrong, better, worse, improve words that have been judged to have judgment built in. And then, so if someone says, you know, if I say, Why do you seem to really like doing x? what's the what's the motivation behind it? And this is something I don't say, Oh, that's a good reason. And I definitely don't say that's a bad reason. I say, I might comment on how I feel that like, Oh, that's interesting, but not in a judgmental way. Not in a good, bad, right, wrong way. Um, and I try not to, I try to avoid injecting myself like, if they say I do it, because of this, I say, Oh, really, I do it because of that. Then they kind of pick up Oh, he wasn't, he doesn't care about me. He just he was looking for an excuse to talk about himself. Which I'm I, which I often do. And that doesn't, that that's more for me, not for them, and therefore it's not conducive for leading for leadership. That's more entertainment for myself.Ari Gronich 23:08  Okay, so again, I you know, I think I want to just clarify, the questioning is meant to lead to a motivation, not an interrogation of judgment, like you're not putting a judgment on the person of whether their answers right or wrong, good or bad, up or down and indifferent. It's just trying to gather information, very flat.Joshua Spodek 23:33  Yeah. Build information and develop a relationship of rapport with a person of support, supportive, non judgmental, curiosity. So that they, they, when I repeat back to them, and when I really get it, a motivation, they say, Yeah, that's it. That feeling is a very, the feeling of feeling understood. For something important. is a it's a, how to describe it's a it's a feeling that's as powerful as love, I would say, to feel understood by someone euphoric. Yeah. And it makes me it makes me want to open up more with person when someone does that with me. I mean, the fact that you just clarified with me, this just are talking about I don't know if listeners could pick up on this, but I was like, Oh, yeah, I do want to clarify, like, I want to make sure he gets this and when you get it, I feel like oh man, now that I've told you that. And if I get support on that, I feel motivated to tell you more things about myself. From a leadership perspective, if you have people telling you more and more things about themselves that they care about. That's more and more things that you can leave them with. And this is not leading them like telling them what to do. It's helping them act on what they really care about. SoAri Gronich 24:53  watching out for the manipulation, right, so I want to just kind of break Part of you know, we're talking about motivation can be used for good or bad, right? So once you get a hold of their motivation, right, so how does somebody tell if somebody who's leading them is gathering their motivations for the benefit or the not benefit? So, motivations that could be like, well, I want you to take this poison, because it'll be good for the country, right? Or I want you to, you know, it's like, so how do I get Okay, so I know that you're really, really patriotic, right? And so you will take that poison, because you believe fully that it's good for the country. So that would be to me like a, what could possibly be an abuse of leadership versus something that would be more positive? So how do we how do we, as a listener, as an audience member who's maybe being led or wanting to lead? How do they make sure that they do it with pure motivation, or that they're being led from somebody who has pure motivation, versus being led through fraud or, you know, that's the word withholding of information not being completely authentic?Joshua Spodek 26:22  Well, this, so this is pretty powerful stuff, and you're working with people's deep emotions, and you could easily hurt someone this way. You definitely when you do this, and it takes months to develop it. or years, some people stumble on it, maybe founded as a child just to happen to get a technique like it. And Eisenhower said, you know, leadership, paraphrase here, is getting him to do your thing for his reason. And so if the very similar to what I'm talking about, and you will, when someone opens up with you, and shares these things, you will feel a Machiavellian feeling of like, Oh, now I can get them to do things. You will also, even from a purely Machiavellian standpoint, you will recognize, if you use that once that way, that's it, you've lost that you've made an enemy of that person, they're gonna hate you. And so even if you were purely psychopathic, you'd recognize I can't speak to what it's like for somebody who's psychopathic. But if you're, you're gonna realize you, you got one shot at ruining the relationship, this person forever, and you're not gonna want to do it. But they're also going toAri Gronich 27:35  have that set up. That's on a one to one. Let me I'm just gonna interject. So you you consult with politicians. So politicians are famous for making promises and leading people into places where they are literally where the people are literally voting against their own self interests. Right? So yes, on a one on one basis, the person may know, okay, my motivation is a little Machiavellian, I might want to turn that down so that I don't isolate this one person who I'm in relationship with. But when you're a politician, and you're ruling over 100,000 1,000,002 million, or however many, and you don't have those personal relationships, you tend to get led down a wrong line. And so as a as an audience, let's say a voter, right, who's voting for policy, who wants to know that they're being led by somebody who is being authentic and non Machiavellian, right? How do they recognize that?Joshua Spodek 28:39  Well, I want to recognize that we've completely switched domains. Learning to play piano is one thing, learning how to command an audience at Rock, not rocking at Lincoln Center say, it's a very different thing. showmanship on stage is very different. There's a lot of stage music, session musicians, who are technically proficient and you play music better than anyone, but they can't, you know, work a crowd, right? Likewise, is playing musicians who can they know to chords, but they can work crowd. And so it's very different sets of skills to lead one person one on one, which is what we were talking about, and leading a large group of people. So leaving that large group of people. That's a whole other story. I mean,Ari Gronich 29:21  as you know, leadership is like you are on stage at a TEDx. You're leading an audience of people, it's not a one on one conversation, right? So a lot of what we do in life these days, is designed to not be one on one to lead groups and, you know, we're looking at this new society, so to speak, and going okay, how do I how do I find my place of leadership here? And so I think we are starting to need to focus on those large groups as well. And yeah, I get your point that one, you got to learn one before you learn three before Learn 20.Joshua Spodek 30:02  Yeah, there was a lot of questions there, how do we protect ourselves against somebody manipulating us through getting the whole crowd to do something, and then you're getting swept up with the crowd. And then realizing later why I didn't mean to do that at all. I mean, there's a lot of personal leadership, to protect yourself against these things to know what your values are to know, to identify these techniques ahead of time, to leadership, IAri Gronich 30:27  just want to purse that's what I was hoping you would go to as the personal leadership.Joshua Spodek 30:32  Yeah. And also, what is your circle of friends who hiring is a major piece of leadership. If you hire people who are misaligned with the mission of your company, or your team or your friendship, it's not gonna work out, even if they're, they're great at what they do, but they don't really value what your mission is. So whom you hang out with, how you reflect and other times and being aware of what your values are, and acting on those things. Everybody has. Everybody values, family, everybody values, health, everybody values. civic duty, in some sense. The question is not do you value these things? The question is, when one is pitted against the other, which do you choose? That's much more challenging. If you value your fitness, but you also value saving money. Someone sometimes they're at odds. So which one do you pick, if you don't face these challenges yourself, these these choices, you don't really know your values. You can read about Plato's values, and Aristotle's and compare and contrast with Maya Angelou all you want. But you don't know your values until you face these things. So as you said earlier, on a small scale, you got to do these things when the when it's not like life or death. Then when you're in situations where it's like a major thing, what do I do? I mean, an example I use a lot is Muhammad Ali, when he won the Olympic gold medal, he became heavyweight champion of the world. He opposed the Vietnam War. And they drafted him. And he, they said, Are you gonna cross this line and he refused to cross the line, he said, I'm a conscientious objector lots of lots more depth than this. He didn't make that choice at that line. He reflected on that a lot before. And before now, we look back at Vietnam as a controversial affair. At that time, even Jackie Robinson said, Ali go, you know, they're not going to make him fight. He's not going to put his health at risk. And this was the army that had, you know, beaten Hitler. It didn't have a Vietnam in his background. So he had faced these things on his own before on a world stage to ask them. Another story I talked about a lot on Dave Chappelle. I don't know if you know this. A lot of people know that he was on offered $50 million contracts when Dave Chappelle when the Chappelle show is doing really well. And he walked away. So actually, on inside the Actor's Studio, he was being interviewed by James Lipton. And he tells a story about when he was graduating high school. His father says, so what are you gonna do? And he went to a performance arts high school. And his answer was like this really cocky, I want to be a great comedian. And comedy is not like an easy path to success. So his father says, Well, if you're, if you feel that way about if you're so confident, I think you should do it. But things can get crazy in Hollywood, you don't know. Name, your price now, figure out what's beyond what you're willing to do now when you're calm. And then, okay, so now he's talking to James Lipton, he turns to the audience who all know about his later history, he goes, hence,Unknown Speaker 33:55  Africa.Joshua Spodek 33:56  Meaning after his father gave him that advice, he reflected and thought, and spent his time and faces, you know, what's what's right for me? What's wrong for me? And when it got to create who knows what they weren't, like, Here's $50 million, have a great time. They're saying, Who knows what was attached to that? Who knows what kind of craziness goes on in Hollywood, right? And his name is price. And at both cases, Ali and Chappelle disappeared for a while Ali almost went bankrupt at the prime of his career, came back and became heavyweight champion the world again. And I think that's what helped him become not just the greatest boxer. I think many call them the greatest of all time of like everything, but certainly a major figure of the 20th century, Chappelle. I mean, his specials now are bigger than the Chappelle show was I think, well, it's special. It's something special. But you know, you got named the the Mark Twain award from the Kennedy Center he gotAri Gronich 34:54  as a beautiful ceremony. Yeah.Joshua Spodek 34:56  And again, he was talking about I will fight for your freedom to speak Your mind because I believe in this art. So these are examples of preparation that most of us will not face on the scale that they did with the world looking on with 10s of millions of dollars at stake. But it's the same technique that gets us that reflection, and what what is your price at a time preparation?Ari Gronich 35:20  asking those questions is,Unknown Speaker 35:22  to me,Ari Gronich 35:23  you know, like one of the best things you could do before you do anything. And I find that it's, it's a very difficult thing to get others to ask their own questions. It's like they can reflect if I'm asking them the question. It's hard to get people to come up with and then reflect on their own questions. Do you have any specific questions that you suggest people ask themselves?Joshua Spodek 35:53  More than the questions is really, you have to face the challenge yourself? You have to? It's not just which like, which do I value more between saving money or fitness? make that choice, you know, do go for the, I'm trying to think of like a situation where money and fitness go against each other?Ari Gronich 36:13  Or do you and afford what Tim can't afford? The equipment can't afford the proper food? You know, I mean, there's the crazy thing is that all the reasons why people do that. And,Joshua Spodek 36:24  you know, I'm smiling, because all the things you're talking about of like going, I don't like paying for gyms. And so I have my kettlebells over there, and all those bodyweight exercises. And you can just see the tip of my rowing machine over there. And so I have all this, I figured out how to exercise at like, a fraction of the cost of what other people what people pay, I paid 10 years of people pay per month that catwalks and can you tell how proud I am of that. Actually, that's and then with the food, I find out how to get I build relationships with the farmers at the farmers market. So I get vegetables much cheaper than everyone else does. Because they liked me because I talked to them. And, and I buy in season, so it's all and so I spend less money than most do, even though I get the highest quality. You know, right farm fresh vegetables. So that's why I had trouble picking that example. Because I found out how to be fit and save money, and how to eat healthy and save money. and delicious.Ari Gronich 37:21  A lot of people a lot of people don't really know that that's a, you know, possible, but I, you know, obviously 27 years I've been doing this and most of the ways that a person can get healthy costs a lot less than being sick. It's just a fact. And, you know, but as a leaders like questions, so like I'm writing a course right now on questioning, it's just all kinds of questions and ways to ask yourself things that will lead you towards wherever you want to go. So you personally lead yourself, I'm kind of like guiding the leading of themselves in that stuff. But the questioning the kinds of questions like, you could ask a question like, Why me? Or you can ask a question like, how much better could it get, you know, like, very different kinds of questions and how they lead your brain to an answer. So,Joshua Spodek 38:16  when you when you say questions like that, then my, my advices there is, is make those a dialogue with multiple people. I meditate regularly. And that's very useful. And there's something that happens when you talk to someone else. So to supportive, non judgmental, but still challenging. That definitely a think of those questions solo, meditate on them. Think about them, when you're lying in bed at night, or waking up in the morning and you have you know, nothing's getting in your way. Also, talk to your best friends about it, talk to your boss about it, talk to co workers, talk to your mom and dad, talk to your kids talk to me,Ari Gronich 38:55  what are they talking to them about? Because I'll tell you the truth, what it what it feels like, in my head, as you're saying that is find out your your life on by committee, you know, what your, your what's important to you by committee? What's uh, you know, it's like, I'm asking myself about, what is it as important to me as a leader? Or how do i do you know, so it's like, I wouldn't want to do that by committee, so to speak, I might want to ask them afterwards. What's your opinion on this as well, but after I'd already gotten to my real truth, my personal truth?Joshua Spodek 39:33  Well, I don't think you're going to get two final answers on these things. I mean, you'll get an answer that's right for you at that time. And I think that'll change as you age as things change. Of course, when you sit by committee that imply that feels to me, like you're trying to find a consensus or, but what I'm saying I'm suggesting is have people challenge you. So if I say, you know, I forget the questions you just asked, but like, what, like, what do I want out of a career That's an interesting question to ponder. And if I talk to some people about it and say, you know, push me on this challenge me, it's not to not for them to annoy me not for that, but for them to think of like, what might? What? from their experience that I have not had, but they had? Will they see that? I haven't. Um, you know, john Stuart Mill talked about if your idea hasn't been challenged, you don't really know you may be right, but you don't know it. You may you may be, there may be something more, something better for you that you haven't hit on yet. That when challenged to support why you'll hit on? That's what I'm going for is it's not a committee so much as a devil's advocates, or people to provoke greater reflection.Ari Gronich 40:50  Okay, I can see that. I just think that that should be done after the personal authentic reflection, and then, and then somebody can like, okay, now, what do you think of this? And maybe you have growth for me from where I'm at? But I would do the personal question first, personally, but, but I do understand how getting input from multiple places is going to increase your awareness of yourself.Joshua Spodek 41:21  I certainly didn't mean it as a solo as the only thing to do, as augment.Ari Gronich 41:27  Yeah, no, absolutely. Like said, I'm just reflecting, I'm trying to make sure that I'm clear, the audience is clear that, you know, that the information is, is disseminate in a way that everybody kind of is on the same level of what they hear. So when I, when I heard you, I heard, get people to challenge you, in what you're wanting to do. And I hate first thing is first, I just want to, you know, for me, at least, like I asked myself questions, and then I go, Okay, so this is what I want to do. Do you think that this is a good, you know, road, bad road? What are your experiences on this road, and getting other people's input? of that? So I'm, I'm wanting like, to be very specific, so the audience can be clear on what you're saying. I hope that makes it more helpful for them. If that makes sense, what I just said, yeah. Yeah. I mean, as you were saying it for me, I think I think of I do reflect personally, and come to some results. And then but I, I personally don't think what more is there after this? What have I not thought of? And so I don't think of it as that my solo answers. I don't think it was like the right ones are the best ones. They're not final. It's a step on the way. Nothing is final death. Yes. IJoshua Spodek 42:58  was just gonna say it's just a min until death. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. SoAri Gronich 43:04  yeah. so fascinating things about you. I just want to break up the tension a little bit. You spent time in Manhattan off the grid.Joshua Spodek 43:17  So I'm not quite off the grid. I intend to get off the grid. I'm working very hard at it. And so I have over there my battery, but I haven't even gotten the solar panels to attach to it that I think I can I think I can pull it up the next 12Ari Gronich 43:29  to 24 months. Yeah, I am. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So that plan is in is in motion. It's in motion. So where are you now with it? And why did you decide to do it? I mean, I remember talking to you about the minimalist in this simple life, right, and how happy you are. And people are really looking to get happy these days. So, you know, tell me why you chose this as a way to simplify your your happiness.Joshua Spodek 43:56  It's been a long process, when I was a kid, I would never have thought of like, less, you know, I definitely thought you know, whoever dies with the most toys wins. And I had a friend whose parents were richer, and I was always trying to catch up with all the stuff he was always getting computers and cameras and stuff and and then, you know, one of the early stages is wall behind me that has a blackboard used to be all books. And getting rid of the books was really hard. It took several iterations and probably a year of first getting rid of the really books I knew I'd never read again, and then getting rid of ones that are a little more interesting, but not really that interesting. And then eventually getting rid of like the big books that I really cared about, but knowing I, I didn't eat them. And that's a whole process that people can go through on their own then. And there are various different things that I do over time that I've come to associate getting rid of unnecessary things as bring as creating freedom. Yeah, getting rid of like my marathon medals. I got rid of those. I was like, oh, as soon as I got rid of I was like that was a mistake. Like that was they're irreplaceable. But then later, after a couple years of regretting it now You know what? I'm glad that I get rid of them because I ran. I mean, I came in like 10,000 plates. It's like, no one knows who came in second Timothy two. What's his name? The guy one knows it comes in second for if it came behind Michael Phelps, right, right. I came in 10,000 place second. Like it's pretty far from second. So what's so big about these things. And then after that I ran a couple more marathons. And so I had these other these other medals I was like, now I know not to get them in the first place. It's hard to get rid of something once you've acquired it and start getting those connections to it or attachments to it. But I put on Craigslist, free put up on free for on Craigslist. And some guy can't pick them up. He wanted some other stuff that I was offering free at the same time. I said, Oh, I'd love to metal. I was like, what do you what the metals for anyway. And it's like, oh, his girlfriend was training for her first half marathon. And he wanted to give it to her as like a show of appreciation for that and motivation to go for the full marathon. So I'm so happy that this is getting used for something more. So cool. That's cool. ThenAri Gronich 46:08  I just released like, I think 1500 conference IDs. You know, the little things you have and your IDs with your name on them for constant conference you've ever been to? Yeah, I think I just cost about 1500. How did it feel? felt great. Yeah. Before you did it were like all what if I regret it? Oh, no, I saved them. For years, I was planning on putting them in a in a like, Curio thing I wanted to display like, look at all this stuff that I did, right to grow and learn and like, proud of them. And I spoke here and I spoke there. And then I just was like, now it's time. Just gotta go. And it feltJoshua Spodek 46:54  so good. So these experiences, I mean, there's all sorts of experiences like that. And the more I've done it, the more or there's definitely things I reflect on, I'm like, No, keep this one. And recently that happened, I was like I there's something I was going through. I was like, I gotta go through this once for the last time and get rid of it. I'm going through I was like, oh, at least one more time after this. And okay, so about a year and a half ago, I was reading an article about how other cultures, they refrigerate less than they, Vietnam in particular, they ferment a lot. And they don't refrigerate so much. And you know, I'm sustainability is a very important thing for me. And you know, there's a big challenge with wind and solar are intermittent. So sometimes they can't provide power. So one way to address that is to become more resilient. So I was curious, as individuals as a society, we don't really value resilience so much we talk about it, but we don't value it too much. So I wondered if I could, what if I had to go without power? What if I, so I unplugged my fridge for a while. And I ended up making three months that time. And I had no idea. I could do it. And but then from meditation I was it stopped being about what I was giving up. And it became what I was adopting. And that was last winter. This winter, I went did it. And actually now I think today, tomorrow marks six and a half months that my fridge has been unplugged. And I would have thought was crazy. But I keep learning more about how people used to mean refrigerators been around what 100 years, humans have been around for what 300,000. And I'm eating better. It's really, I'm very surprised at this. And when I realized that when I got an electric bill $1.70 I got to $4.70 the last one's $1.40 I'll see what the next one is. I was like I want if I can go off grid, it was really just stumbling into following my nose to in the direction of acting on my values of stewardship to see where it would lead. I didn't I didn't think like let's go off grid. But now that it not I'm within striking distance of it. I'm like, let's see if I can do it.Ari Gronich 49:14  I like how you said acting on my values. How often do you see people who do not act on their values? And the question that I would have for you is what are the tricks or the things that have made you strong enough to act on your values? While most people would talk about sustainability? I'll give you al gore as an example. He's flying around on private jets, his house takes up more electricity than like seven other residential properties, right? Not that now at least that was like 20 years ago, but that you get the idea right? Some people act on their value. Some people just talk about them. So how do you get to a place where acting on them is your default.Joshua Spodek 50:02  Well, this is the eternal challenge of life. I mean, acting on your values, values, what's evaluate good, bad, what? To actually evaluate means to do what you think is good. And maybe different than other people's values, but your values, but and that's in conflict with with what's easier often, or what everyone else is doing. So the more that you act by your values, the more than let me speak personally, theAri Gronich 50:24  more that I act on my values, the more that I improve my life, improve, make more good. And one of the things that you told me you did is you stopped flying.Joshua Spodek 50:34  Yeah, although that came after. Right morning packaged food. Right.Ari Gronich 50:38  And you said that that helped your life, which most people will find interesting, because your travel for a living? SoJoshua Spodek 50:48  yeah, that Well, I didn't originally choose to stop flying totally. I originally chose to go without flying for a year. expecting it to be a horrible year. I at that time, I felt like I'm taking one for the team. But I gotta find out. This doesn't sound sustainable. All this flying? Could I get by without it? I was surprised after two, three months of it. That, again, it wasn't what I was getting rid of it what I replaced it with, which is much more community connection, spending more time with family having more control over my career, I would have thought it'd be the opposite. I think I'd spend less time and family have less control of my career. And when I didn't have the option of flying, I was able to create more of those things, not less. Sort of construction. I was not too loud. It's all right. This should be the unidirectional. So it's all right.Ari Gronich 51:45  No problem. So what are,Unknown Speaker 51:50  you know?Joshua Spodek 51:52  Oh, I'm sorry. And again, it's practicing the basics. It's really starting with the simpler things. If I had not challenged myself to go without packaged food for a week, there's no way I would have gone for not flying. And the packaged food I also thought was gonna be you know, I live in Manhattan. It's like great food everywhere. And am I going to say no to the best chefs in the world, or you know, some of them. And again, that that pattern that I described with the flat with the not flying happened with the food too. It's not that I I don't feel like I'm missing out on restaurants now. Because when I go to the farmers market, it's just this cornucopia of like right now over here I got the strawberries are the season in New York, I haven't had strawberries in 10 months because they weren't in season. But my joy of strawberries is greater now than it was before. Now that experience with the strawberries with farmers markets instead of restaurants. That experience on a small scale, gave me the gumption to try it on a bigger scale with the flying. But even the avoiding packaged food on that scale that came from other things before that. So I didn't practice in the basics, play my scales. Got it. SoAri Gronich 53:10  deprivation leads to happiness.Joshua Spodek 53:17  I wouldn't say that it's a if I had to pick anything, it would be more like Jocko willing, he said some discipline equals freedom. So it looked like deprivation. But it was living, my value was stewardship. My value was leaving the earth better than I found that my value was not polluting other people's air that they breathed. That was the value. From that value flying doesn't fit. It doesn't work. Now that benefits the flying benefited me. So now I would say it felt in retrospect, it felt it looks selfish to me what I was doing, but I want to see the Eiffel Tower, I want to say Machu Picchu. Okay, some people. Now I would say people have been displaced from their homes to drill for the oil. 9 million people died in 2019 from breathing air from breathing that air didn't know that came out the back of you know vehicles. And I'm grossly simplifying here. Right. So the question was, could I live by value of stewardship to other service to others, even when I felt like but I'm gonna miss out on the Eiffel Tower. And this is the answer to your question you asked before is how do you do what you think is right, even when it's easier not to is you practice new practice in practice? That's what I've done. And it's worked out for me so far. I believe that I'm happier now than I've ever been. I believe that I'm more effective than I've ever been. And I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything.Ari Gronich 54:51  That's awesome. I i've been simplifying my brain a little bit with having a son and As I, as I'm listening to you again, you know, so glad to talk to you because I definitely create a structure. And I've told my son, you know, like, the more structure you have, the more freedom you have. And the more discipline the more you're able to, you know, discipline yourself and focus, the more time you'll have. So I try to give him the consequence, good or bad to the action, you know, as my way of being in leadership to him. But it does sound like like, the idea is to really challenge yourself to live the value that you speak. And this human condition is full of contradiction. And what do we do with the contradiction other than play with it and practice, like you say, you know, you got to practice focusing, if you want to be able to focus, it's not something that you're born with, you got to practice it. You got to practice learning to play piano, right? Got to practice leadership skills. So where are ways that people can can? Like, I know you have a training program that you use for leadership. So tell us a little bit about that. I don't normally do promotion, but I just felt called to ask you.Joshua Spodek 56:29  Okay, well, I also want to comment that there are plenty of things I've tried, that didn't work out. Yoga comes to mind, I did it for a couple years, I really loved working with my instructor. But ultimately, it's just, that was not it didn't hit for me. And there are plenty of other things that I try. I was like, you know, that's not right. So it's not like this is like a non stop path is lots of wrong term, not wrong terms, but you know, explore explorations that don't pan out. So and there's also a video that comes to mind, I call this the most boring video online, if you if you search for it's like LeBron James practicing for an hour as him with the trainer. And he is just practicing, like, he dribbles a bit. He does, like a whole bunch of free throws a whole bunch of whatever different stretches and things. There's, I don't think they even I don't think they even talk. So it's really boring. But you've seen him play. I mean, he does spin moves and crazy stuff on the court that like you can't imagine he doesn't actually practice those. He practices the basics. And that's how you get those things. It's an you know, when I dance, I took dance lessons for a while. I like it, I'm glad it did. I'm not gonna become a dancer. But I remember Oh, salsa, and I kept asking, like, what about the spin moves all these spin boots, I wanted to spin moves, and the instructor kept saying it's the feet, you got to get the feet, right. It's the rhythm. So my rhythm was terrible. And, and eventually, I was like, Oh, it's in the feet. And it's really, the more you do these things, the more you get back to these very basic things. And a lot of what I do is really giving people very basic skills. And the more you practice them, the more that the the what the shine is the thrills that not the thrills the fancy stuff comes if you practice the basics, if you don't practice the basics. It's pretty tough. And some of the basics are a lot of like, my book has four units, understand yourself, lead yourself, understand others, lead others. And it's a progression. And each set of exercises is different. Like understand yourself is more reflective, introspective, lead yourself is more getting advice from people, disciplining, applying discipline so that you can put these things into practice. lead others is much more about what we're talking about earlier, is making them feel comfortable sharing what motivates them so that you can connect that to the tasks so that they act on intrinsic motivation. And, you know, for the different types of each skill has different types of exercises to help build those things. And if that's too glib of an answer, or too high level,Ari Gronich 59:17  yeah, no, not at all. No, it's, it's a perfect answer. So how can people get ahold of you if they'd like to? chat with you?Joshua Spodek 59:25  So JoshuaSpodek.com everything's there. In the upper right corner is the links to the books and the TEDx talks and to contact me. I mean, I'm on I'm on social media, but it's, it's much more of the blog and the podcast is where I put most of my stuff out. Absolutely.Ari Gronich 59:41  Thank you so much for for coming on. You know, I am a I'm a believer that in order to create a new tomorrow, we have to challenge ourselves like a lobster in its shell. You know, you got to break free from one shell before you can get to your next shell. It's not comfortable, it's not easy. But if we have more conversations that explore these kinds of, you know, topics, then we'll get to a deeper truth. And that deeper truth, my hope is, will help to activate people's vision for a better world so that they can truly lead themselves and lead others. And, and we can change the world together. So I really appreciate you being on here. So thank you very much for coming.Joshua Spodek 1:00:29  Thank you for having me. I hope that I think I said things that I think me in the past would have benefited from different people may resonate or not, but I hope I hope for some people at least, that we things that we shared, help them further their path.Ari Gronich 1:00:44  Absolutely. Thank you so much. And this has been another episode of create a new tomorrow, I've been your host Ari Gronich with Josh spodek. Thank you so much for coming on. And remember, we're activating your vision for a better world. So what are you going to do today, tomorrow and next week, to really live your perfect life. Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. If you'd like to take this information further and are interested in joining a community of like minded people who are all passionate about activating their vision for a better world. Go to the website, create a new tomorrow.com and find out how you can be part of making a bigger difference. I have a gift for you just for checking it out and look forward to seeing you take the leap and joining our private paid mastermind community. Until then, see you on the next episode.

Hi, I am here with Chase russell, As Founder and CEO of Russell Aviation. he have made his mission to build a company around service and excellence. Providing affordable private flights, on an unscheduled basis from their home base in Punta Gorda, Florida to Anywhere in the Southeastern, U.S and the Caribbean. Their pricing structure is what sets them apart from the countless other private air charter companies available. He aim to change the private charter experience by offering cost-friendly flights while staying true to the luxury of flying private!CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY CHASE RUSSELL FOR MORE INFO:https://russellaircharter.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.#Podcast #health #Education #CreateANewTomorrow++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:07  Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow, I'm your host Ari Gronich with me today I have Chase Russell, I am not going to do my normal, spectacular introduction of Chase, because he's just, you just can't do it with this guy. I mean, from wars, and combat to owning his own plane company at 25. I mean, you can't explain the path that this young man is on to shift and change the world. So Chase, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself. And kind of one of the the main things that makes you who you are and what and do what you are doing and why.Chase Russell 0:58  So I'm chase Russell and I, I'm an Air Force veteran, I did two tours in Afghanistan, and I did one in another in the Middle East for a year long stint. And I decided to get out of the military and said, Hey, you know, I always wanted to be an entrepreneur, I wanted to go into business. I loved aviation. So let's let's start a private airline. And at the time, I was unaware that you could start a private airline. And most people say that to me, they're like you. I didn't even know you could just do that. Apparently, you can. And that's, that's good news for me. Man, I was like, what's going to be our niche. So our niche is making private charters affordable. So everybody wants to fly privately. But it's extremely expensive. And I was like, it shouldn't be that way. And so we started building the premise of Russell aviation, and we built it on the premise of an affordable private charter. And it's really taken off, since I've got out in 2019. And I'm excited for the future of it.Ari Gronich 1:55  So let's get into it. Us policies and politics, the foreign policies, especially, you've been a contractor, you've had to go to war you've been overseas, you've had a lot of time to spend studying this particular topic, right? Absolutely. So So tell us is what we're doing very efficient.Unknown Speaker 2:25  I don't think the way I see it, okay, I've spent a spent the majority of my adult life in the Middle East. I like you said, I worked as a contractor. I worked in the military over there. So I've seen both sides of the fence on this. In the short answer, no. It's not effective in any way possible. You can't fight though the way I say it is you can't fight ideology with with bombs, you know, that you're not going to change someone's mind by by blowing up their town or by, you know, assisted suicide, whatever you want to call it. It's just not how it works. I mean, anybody can agree with that. I think the way I look at it, it's just not it's not effective. The way we went into it's not effective. I'm sure there's a there's a much deeper cause behind the reason we're in Afghanistan. But as far as I don't, I don't negate the fact that there's a lot of people there that they're, they're there because they were told to be there and they have a job to do. Okay, I was in the military. I understand how that goes. And I appreciate that. And I'm not gonna sit here and say that the the war in Afghanistan is a shamble. But it's been going on now for for decades. I mean, I know, people that their dad fought, and now they're fighting it, you know, and that's, that's not how it should be. It should be operated. Whether you pull out completely of Afghanistan or anywhere in the Middle East, I don't know. But I mean, the general rule of thumb is they don't, they don't really want you there. The Middle Easterners don't want you there. We wouldn't want Russians on our soil. So why would Why would they want us there?Ari Gronich 4:07  You know that it's a funny thing. The whole concept to me, of borders, and territories and things are it's kind of a distasteful thing to my humanity. And I'll just share with you why and then I'll let you kind of go but I'm Jewish, right. So there's right now a lot of Israeli Palestinian fighting.Unknown Speaker 4:37  AndAri Gronich 4:39  the media is sharing what the media shares which is not the truth in any way, shape, or form. And so I take it from from a perspective of what's in a border and in a border in the nature of a border is division between two sides between two kinds of cultures between two kinds of people. To me, what we've done in the US should be the prototype for the world. However, as far as integration of culture, however, the way that we do it is such a bully ish way, it's going to be our culture, or nobody's right? It'll be the culture we create, or nobody else's. And that's what division and borders do to me, in my head. So, you know, like, if I look on a satellite image of the world, there are no lines separating states, right? There are no lines separating countries, there is no, no natural reason for creating territory's borders other than we're not comfortable being around people who are not exactly like us. So I wanted you to talk a little bit about that.Unknown Speaker 6:10  I think if you if you look at the history, I mean, let's let's talk on the borders for a minute, you know, let's look at the history of it. prior to World War One, you had the Ottoman Empire, the Persians, you know, after World War One, they decided, hey, let's just draw a bunch of borders, if we're talking about the Middle East and Europe, and that's where you see a lot of this division. That's where you see a lot of this. And then of course, with Israel 1948 when when Israel became a state, but you're you're right, and you're accurate in the sense that there's no you can look at a satellite image, and there's no borders, you know, but it's, it's an it's an understood goes to an understanding of cultural norms.Ari Gronich 6:48  Right? I think that, for me, the issue becomes this concept of, they're coming over and taking from me, right. So when I was in Greece, during the Paralympics, for instance, all I heard from the Greek people was about the Albanians coming over and stealing the jobs reminded me a little bit about the US concept of the Mexican people coming over and stealing the jobs. And then I was in another country, and they were talking about a different country that was coming over and stealing the jobs, right? Like, every country has people who want to be there. And some who could be not there. Right. And I guess we're where, where that division comes from, is that we are a global planet, most humans tend to roam, we are roaming people we like to explore, we like to adventure, we like to see new things. And I think that part of the division in our policies are the division that we've placed with borders and stopping people, in some ways and respects from being able to freely travel the world. And when they don't really travel the world, you don't get to experience other people's cultures in a way that's like, that's the predominant culture that you're experiencing different from your own. Right, and therefore we don't understand each other's cultures, we don't know the same language of each other's cultures. And so we don't tend to want to be friendly with other people. And I think that that's part of our specific foreign policy. And I'm not sure whyUnknown Speaker 8:40  people are afraid of the unknown. That's I think that's a lot of the issue that you're hitting on is people are afraid of the unknown. All right, everybody's terrified of something they don't understand or don't know. And then it's one thing that I, I'm very fortunate that I've been able to get out of the United States, I've been able to go experience other cultures and I'm the type of person that when I get to another culture, I immerse myself in it and I become, I become whatever you know, form you need to become because that's one respectful and to you're going to get a much better view of the culture. For instance, I, I was in Haiti, after the earthquake, I did a mission down to Haiti. And I speak I was learning French in high school, and I was very, I was really in love with learning French. So when I went down there, I didn't speak in English. I spoke nothing but French the entire time. And I was I think I was 17 at the time. And that's been just an amazing cultural change and shift in my life, just from that one trip that I did down there and got to you know, you'd learn so much more about the people when you can connect with them and I, I had never, I had never been to Haiti. I knew nothing about Haiti when I got there other than they spoke French and I easily became a Haitian. I'm not saying I am but I'm just saying like It was it was amazing. And it was fun. And they really accepted that and they were really respectful. Same, that's kind of all the sound.Ari Gronich 10:07  Yeah, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna add one to the determination. So we've got plan, action steps, we've got determination, I'm going to add one to it for you. And that's resilience. and resilience is probably one of the most important pieces to being an entrepreneur, and to making a difference in the world in general, because you're going to get kicked, you're gonna make have missteps, you're gonna have things that get in the way. And your ability to be resilient. And bounce back is always the most important thing. One of my sayings is, if you're not dead, it ain't over. So you're not done. I tell people, you can't fall off the wagon, you're not on a wagon, you're in life, you're in a body or you're in until you're dead, you're still on. And so at any moment, at any second, at any millisecond, you can make a decision and a choice to change the course of your life forever. And that is really awesome. ThatUnknown Speaker 11:17  No, I agree with that. 100% the resilience side of things. In that kind of goes back to my there's positive motivation, negative motivation, you know, something bad happens to you just look at it like, okay, cool, something bad happened to me, that's gonna motivate me to do better take a different route or take a different path, you know, whatever it is. And if something positive happens to you celebrate it for a minute, move on to the next thing, you know, and the more you start to celebrate the negatives, the more you're going to start to realize that they're not really negative. That's what's crazy about it is the more you stop looking at things negatively, and the more you start building a positive mindset and manifesting what you want in your life. And you start saying, you know what, that didn't go the way I wanted, but I learned something, you know, there's a mill, for instance, my company, we did a sales strategy, my first, you know, draft of my sales strategy. It was terrible, absolutely terrible. And I spent so much time on it. And I worked and I stressed and I, and at the end of it, I was like, This isn't gonna work. I went to my mentor, he's like, this is terrible, and good for him. You know, that I'm very fortunate to have people that do that for me. But it was it was terrible. And I was so upset. I was like, I can't believe I spent so much time on this, but and it's terrible. But it led me to an even better strategy. And it led me to rethink and relook at things and hypothesize and question and have a general gray area. And I wasn't so certain on one thing, that I was blinded by by everything else. And that's, you know, you got to look at it as a positive. And even if it's a negative, it's still positive as you learn something.Ari Gronich 12:56  Yeah. So here's where I, I'm going to just kind of add a guess, again, is, with the gray area, we've been talking a lot about gray area, and there being no black and white. And here would be my caveat for for people in general, the audience to think about is nuance lies in the gray area. But your decision lies in black or white, the gray areas, the fence that you gather your information on, but it's not the fence that you want to hang your hat on. You you get the information, and then you make a decision one way or another. And then you just go Okay, did that work? Did it not work? Why? Why did it work? Why did it not work? So you can you can have the Meyer decision,Unknown Speaker 13:46  your decision should be fluid, I think to to add to that, I think your decision should be fluid, you know, it's like writing a paper, a research paper, you know, you've read out this rough draft, and you just throw all your all your ideas on a piece of paper, right. And then once you read the final report, you know, a year from now, that final report might need to be revised, which is why in most news articles, there's amendments, there's all kinds of things, you know, it's the same thing you've written all your ideas down, that's your gray area, take that information, make a decision. And then you know, you need to be subject to altering that decision to Don't be so dead set.Ari Gronich 14:20  Always reassess you know, and as a as an A person who trains Olympic athletes, right? When I come up with a plan, we've got six months for you to get to where you need to be in competition. how we're going to do that we're going to create the plan. It's going to be a six month plan. But every marker, we retest, we reassess are we meeting? Are we meeting our goal? Are we meeting our goal? are we are we not? Oh, what are we what do we need to do to get back to where we are meeting our goal because the competition is there. You don't have a choice on the time, right? You just got to do what you got to do to get there. And that's the same thing with business. So if anybody in the audience here wants to go take a private flight with you, how can they get ahold of you?Unknown Speaker 15:08  So yeah, on the business side of things, you can go over to Russell Russell air charter.com, you can find us on Facebook at Russell aviation and on Instagram at Russell aviation as well. And then I'm on LinkedIn, Chase Russell, feel free to connect with me, I love chatting with people and getting to know other people and their stories. Awesome. IsAri Gronich 15:27  there anything else that you'd like to leave the audience with?Unknown Speaker 15:32  Um, you know, just, if you're looking to start something, and you think, wow, that's way too big, or that's way too big of a goal, or you're looking at somebody else, your neighbor, your friend, your buddy, your wife, ex wife, whatever it is, and they're doing better than you in life. Don't think like that. Your life is your life, and you get to live it the way you live it, nobody's on the same time table. Okay, just because I'm 26. And I'm starting this or someone's 46. And they're starting something else that doesn't make anybody any different. It's just a matter of taking the time, the mindset and growing yourself. And I think people that take the time to grow themselves and grow and foster a mindset of self motivation. Those are normally the people that that have the positive things come at them when they're not even doing anything. That's one thing I've learned since starting this business is, you know, if you put out a positive energy, you're going to get a lot more positive energy tenfold back.Ari Gronich 16:35  Absolutely. Well, thank you so much for being here. It was, it was a pleasure to have you on. I know that the conversation does not always take the prescribed route. But But as long as as long as the audience gets, you know, tips and tricks and ways to move forward, I'm a happy camper. So I really appreciate the deep conversations versus surface one. So thank you so much for helping me to create a new tomorrow and activate people's visions for a better world so that we can all live the life of our dreams. Thank you so much for being here. I appreciate it. Thanks so much for having me.

Hi, I am here with Chase russell, As Founder and CEO of Russell Aviation. he have made his mission to build a company around service and excellence. Providing affordable private flights, on an unscheduled basis from their home base in Punta Gorda, Florida to Anywhere in the Southeastern, U.S and the Caribbean. Their pricing structure is what sets them apart from the countless other private air charter companies available. He aim to change the private charter experience by offering cost-friendly flights while staying true to the luxury of flying private!CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY CHASE RUSSELL FOR MORE INFO:https://russellaircharter.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.#Podcast #health #Education #CreateANewTomorrow++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:00  I'm Ari Gronich, and this is create a new tomorrow podcast.Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host Ari Gronich with me today I have Chase Russell, I am not going to do my normal, spectacular introduction of Chase, because he's just, he just can't do it with this guy. I mean, from wars, and combat to owning his own plane company at 25. I mean, you can't explain the the path that this young man is on to shift and change the world. So Chase, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself? And kind of one of the main things that makes you who you are and what in do what you are doing and why.Chase Russell 1:06  So I'm chase Russell and I, I'm an Air Force veteran, I did two tours in Afghanistan, and I did one in another in the Middle East for a year long stint. And I decided to get out of the military and said, Hey, you know, I always wanted to be an entrepreneur, I wanted to go into business. I loved aviation. So let's let's start a private airline. And at the time, I was unaware that you could start a private airline. And most people say that to me, they're like you. I didn't even know you could just do that. Apparently, you can. And that's, that's good news for me. So yeah, I got out I started putting the business plan together, I started, you know, really getting in, dive in and intricacies of how to operate an airline how to get a part 135 charter and all of that. Man, I was like, what's going to be our niche. So our niche is making private charters affordable. So everybody wants to fly privately. But it's extremely expensive. And I was like, it shouldn't be that way. And so we started building the premise of Russell aviation, and we built it on the premise of an affordable private charter. And it's really taken off, since I've got out in 2019. And I'm excited for the future of it.Ari Gronich 2:15  Nice. So you're what 27 now,Chase Russell 2:19  I turned 27 on Monday, Memorial Day, soAri Gronich 2:22  really, your your day happens to be the day after mine. Really good for you. Yeah, I'm 30th your 31st I think that's pretty cool. So what are you going to do today? Yeah, what are you going to do for your birthday?Chase Russell 2:41  Um, I have family coming into town. So when we hang out with them, I've got a few I've got I've still gotta keep working. So I've got a few meetings to get to. But you know, I'm gonna hang out by the pool. I'm down here in South Florida. So I beach day, maybe? I don't have anything planned. I kinda, my birthday to me is kind of just, it is it's a day, but you know, I gotta keep working. So,Ari Gronich 3:04  absolutely. So let's get into it. Us policies and politics, the foreign policies especially, you've been a contractor you've had to go to war you've been overseas you've had a lot of time to spend studying this particular topic, right? Absolutely. So So tell us is what we're doing very efficient.Chase Russell 3:35  I don't think the way I see it Okay, I've spent a spent the majority of my adult life in the Middle East. I like you said I worked as a contractor. I worked in the military over there. So I've seen both sides of the fence on this in the short answer No, it's not effective in any way possible. You can't fight though the way I see it is you can't fight ideology with with bombs, you know, that you're not going to change someone's mind by by blowing up their town or by you know, assisted suicide, whatever you want to call it. It's just not how it works. I mean, anybody can agree with that. I think the way I look at it it's just not it's not effective the way we went into it's not effective I'm sure there's a there's a much deeper cause behind the reason we're in Afghanistan, but as far as i don't i don't negate the fact that there's a lot of people there that they're they're there because they were told to be there and they have a job to do okay, I was in the military. I understand how that goes. And I appreciate that and I'm not gonna sit here and say that the the war in Afghanistan is a shamble. But it's been going on now for for decades. I mean, I know people that their dad fought, and now they're fighting it, you know, and that's, that's not how it should be. It should be operated. Whether you pull out completely of Afghanistan or anywhere in the Middle East, I don't know. But I mean, the general rule of thumb is they don't, they don't really want you there. The Middle Easterners don't want you there. We wouldn't want Russians on our soil. So why would Why would they want us there?Ari Gronich 5:17  Yeah, you know that it's a funny thing. The whole concept to me, of borders, and territories, and things are, it's kind of a distasteful thing to my humanity. And I'll just share with you why, and then I'll let you kind of go, but I'm Jewish, right. So there's right now a lot of Israeli Palestinian fighting. And the media is sharing what the media shares, which is not the truth in any way, shape, or form. And so I take it from from a perspective of what's in a border. And in a border, in the nature of a border is division, between two sides between two kinds of cultures between two kinds of people. To me, what we've done in the US, should be the prototype for the world. However, as far as integration of culture, however, the way that we do it is such a bully ish way, it's going to be our culture, or nobody's right? It's going to be the culture we create, or nobody else's. And that's what division and borders do to me, in my head. So, you know, like, if I look on a satellite image of the world, there are no lines separating states, right? There are no lines separating countries, there is no natural reason for creating territory's borders other than we're not comfortable being around people who are not exactly like us. So I wanted you to talk a little bit about that.Chase Russell 7:19  I think if you if you look at the history of I mean, let's let's talk on the borders for a minute, you know, let's look at the history of it. prior to World War One, you had the Ottoman Empire, the Persians, you know, after World War One, they decided, hey, let's just draw a bunch of borders, if we're talking about the Middle East and Europe, and that's where you see a lot of this division, that's where you see a lot of this and then of course with Israel 1948 when when Israel became a state, but you're you're right, and you're accurate in the sense that there's no you can look at a satellite image and there's no borders, you know, but it's, it's an it's an understood goes to an understanding of cultural norms. You know, if you look at the Curtis, the the Kurds, now there's, they're an entire ethnic group, and they have no place to be very, you know, they have really no land. They're their borders, and Mexico and Iraq, Syria, and a few other, you know, a few other places. But that's an entire ethnic group. And then let's do it on like a microculture aspect of Florida. For instance, people in northern Florida, people in southern Florida. That's it, we joke around in the military. That's two different states. It is two different states. It's northern Cuba, and it's southern Alabama, one of the two. You know, it, we've gotten so accustomed to the idea of solid, hard drawn borders. And it just expands into a global scale when when we are talking about it like this. So I don't I don't think that we should be looking at it like that. And what you're saying is almost in a sense of, and I hate to say the word, but like systematic racism type thing. It's almost like, you know, where we're drawing the borders is what's beneficial for this cultural group or this ethnicity or this person. And I, I'm not going to say I'm open border at all. I mean, I think there should be checks and balances, there should be a security, I don't leave my front door unlocked. However, I think it needs to be reformed, if we're if we're talking about people coming in and out of certain borders.Ari Gronich 9:26  Right. I think that for me, the issue becomes this concept of they're coming over and taking from me, right. So when I was in Greece during the Paralympics, for instance, all I heard from the Greek people was about the Albanians coming over and stealing the jobs. reminded me a little bit about the US concept of the Mexican people coming over and stealing the jobs and then I was in another country. And they were talking about a different country that was coming over and stealing the jobs, right? Like every country has people who want to be there. And some who could be not there. Right. And I guess we're where, where that division comes from is that we are a global planet, most humans tend to roam, we are roaming people we like to explore, we like to adventure, we like to see new things. And I think that part of the division in our policies are the division that we've placed with borders and stopping people, in some ways and respects from being able to freely travel the world. And when they don't really travel the world, you don't get to experience other people's cultures in a way that's like, that's the predominant culture that you're experiencing different from your own. Right, and therefore we don't understand each other's cultures, we don't know the same language of each other's cultures. And so we don't tend to want to be friendly with other people. And I think that that's part of our specific foreign policy. And I'm not sure whyChase Russell 11:19  people are afraid of the unknown. That's I think that's a lot of the issue that you're hitting on is people are afraid of the unknown. All right, everybody's terrified of something they don't understand or don't know. And then it's one thing that I, I'm very fortunate that I've been able to get out of the United States, I've been able to go experience other cultures, and I'm the type of person that when I get to another culture, I immerse myself in it and I become, I become whatever, you know, form you need to become because that's one respectful and to you're going to get a much better view of the culture. For instance, I, I was in Haiti, after the earthquake, I did a mission down to Haiti. And I speak I was learning French in high school, and I was very, I was really in love with learning French. So when I went down there, I didn't speak in English, I spoke nothing but French the entire time. And I was I think I was 17 at the time. And that's been just an amazing cultural change and shift in my life, just from that one trip that I did down there and got to, you know, you'd learn so much more about the people when you can connect with them. And I, I had never, I had never been to Haiti, I knew nothing about Haiti when I got there, other than they spoke French, and I easily became a Haitian. I'm not saying I am, but I'm just saying like, it was it was amazing. And it was fun. And they really accepted that. And they were really respectful. When I was in the Middle East. I was in Kuwait. And we went to the camel races. And the one thing I always want to talk to the kids, whenever I go to another place, I want to talk with the kids because kids get the most real perspective on everything. And you might not speak their language, but you know, even American kids, I can't understand half the things they're saying anyway, so it's just talking to kids, you know, and I've got two kids, I know how that goes down. But the point being is when you are accepting and respectful that that's what I think is lacking, it's just a matter of respect. It's a matter of just You're different from me you agree you don't agree with the things I agree with, or you might have grown up in a different culture but at least we have basic human things that make us the way we are. I mean, I have tons of friends that are different different ethnicities and me that grew up completely different from from me in the military. And a saying that we have in the military is there's there's no race in a foxhole, you know when it when push comes to shove, you're a man I'm a man, I don't care if you're gay, black, white, it doesn't matter. You got my door and all this together. And I was hoping and not to not to hit on the Coronavirus that much but I was I was thinking when Coronavirus hit. I was like maybe this is that one trigger that was going to be Hey, we're humanity. We're not Mexican, we're not European, we're not African. We're not African American. We're just human. I was hoping that it seems to me it seemed to go the opposite direction. But you know, sometimes, you know, faith goes that way.Ari Gronich 14:22  Well, you know, I think I think it is going the direction that you're saying I think it had to come to a certain head. You know, it's like it's like popping the pimple. You got to squeeze that sucker out of all its shit in order to get it clean. Right. And we can't do this race relation. We can't do this just hate policy in general, without pop in a few pimples without getting the shit out of the people who have it in them. And so I happen to have A hopeful point of view when it comes to what's gone on. Because I think that you have to destroy what is a little bit in order to make something new, just kind of a natural thing, you have a forest fire that burns down all the raw, you know, brush cleans, kind of for new growth, and allows for something new to pop up. And same way we needed the fires. I wish we didn't, you know, I wish the fire could be less physically painful. And emotionally. You know, I wish people would learn about other people. Right? So my background was, I'm Jewish, and Catholic, Peruvian Catholic. So very odd, right? Just a combination, you kind of got that? Well, it's two sides of guilt. Either way, you look at it. And then my parents lost their business when I was young. And they started practicing Buddhism to try to learn about this meditation thing, and mindfulness and stuff. And so they would take me, I'm nine years old, I'm going to practice Buddhism, I'm going to Hebrew school, I have the Catholic Church that I hear all over the place. And I meet this girl, and she lives on a reservation. And, you know, so I'm going to go hang out on the reservation, I'm going to study Indian and Native culture. And I get set. For me, it's such an odd thing, to not be curious about other people and how they feel and how they believe in what they believe in. Because when I put together all the pieces that I gather, it's like one jigsaw puzzle coming together versus when you just have that piece of your culture, you have an incomplete puzzle, that doesn't give you the right picture of what the world is. Right?Chase Russell 17:05  Yeah, no, I agree with that. I agree with that in the in the sense that, you know, I think if people were just more understanding, or you know, I think I think education really is the is a is a key to unlocking all of that kind of stuff is what you're saying right now is that, you know, you've had that you've had the fortunate, the fortunate, fortunate reality that you've been fortunate enough to really grasp a lot of cultures at a younger age and get that wisdom or that knowledge right off the bat. And I think what is lacking for Americans, for many people around the world, but I would target Americans the most is they don't understand that other people do it other ways. And they think that the way they do it is the only way to do it. And in you know, I'm not sitting here, bad mouthing Americans either. There are a lot of amazing Americans. But you know, if you really research into it, I use this example all the time, too. I talked to a lot of a lot of Christians, I talked to a lot of a lot of, you know, quote unquote, Christians that they just like Muslims, and having spent so much time in the Middle East, some of the best people I've ever met are Muslim. And there's a lot of people they've probably met veteran, amazing people that are probably Muslim, and they didn't even know it. conversations I've had at least 100 times I was like, have you ever read the Quran? No. You ever read the Bible? Well, pieces of it, but I've never read the Bible through and through I was like, so you're dead fast that you're correct on this, but you've never read the book that is written all about this. And you're telling me that you can't connect multiple different monotheistic religions. So the same thing, you know, people if they just under if they read the Quran, the crowds, an entire book of poems. It's an entire book of poems, and not to mention Muhammad was blind, deaf and mute. You know, he didn't even write the he didn't even write the Quran. But the point I'm getting at is it Muslims believe Jesus was real. You know, Christians believe Abraham was real. It's all in a timeline. It's all in the same thing. So it's, it's, it's amazing to me that we can as a Christian, or as a, you know, a Jew, you can just dislike an entire other religion when you don't even understand it.Ari Gronich 19:22  Yeah, it doesn't make any sense to me. And in fact, I think what you're kind of pulling on is that when we believe in something like if I'm a Christian, the predominant belief is that of love. And my question is, how can you love your neighbor as if he's your brother, if you also hate him? And then the other question is, can you hate and you turn that hate, which just is in my opinion, again, love Hate the same coin, different sides, but on it is awareness and the other is ignorance. Right? You love what you're aware of you fear what you're ignorant of. And so let me go to this. How do the policies that we've put into place further the agenda of divisiveness versus bringing people together in love versus the hate?Unknown Speaker 20:29  I don't think that policy's ever been about bringing people together. I mean, you can twist it, you know, the United States can twist it. However, they want to make it seem like it's humanitarian issue or this or that. If the US was really concerned about a humanitarian issue, they would be in Haiti right now, if there have been there, if they were really concerned about a humanitarian issue, they would be all over different places. But they're not they don't care. Not that they don't care. I'm not going to say that because I don't know. I'm not in their heads. But everything boils down to money, everything boils down to money, it boils down to and as a contractor, I realized that real quick, it boils down to who's going to get this contract who's going to make this money? How do we keep feeding this money? You know, and it's a military industrial complex, the policies are made to fund the military industrial complex. And if you don't, if you don't even have to look at the Department of Defense Department of State, you don't have to look at all of those things. It's all about power. You know, it's all about how do I control these resources? How do I control this region? Because I need something from it or anything like that. And I mean, it. Let's think about it this way. Again, look at the weekers in China. It goes back to that if we genuinely cared about people on a humanitarian issue Uighur Muslims are being slaughtered and sent to cotton. They're being sent to concentration camps. And it's public knowledge, like, but it's not getting any news. Well, it's not getting any news. The question is,Ari Gronich 21:59  is it public knowledge? And then the other question is, because it's not getting a news is, what does it take for the media? Do you think, for the media to begin telling the truth again, and I and I bring this to a to a specific reason, because I remember Walter Matthau. And I remember him saying, and that's the way it was. It wasn't math out wrong name. Walter Cronkite Walker. Yeah, Walter Cronkite, other guy. Anyway, Walter Cronkite. And that's the way it was, he would read the news, the policy of the government was that the news was not allowed to be for profit, it had to be a nonprofit division of that network. Because the policy was, if you are doing this as a for profit, you're going to only say the news that the for profit tells you to. So I look at the policies and I go, Okay, well, what are the policies? And I know you've done a lot of studying of of this specifically. So what are the policies that keep us divided? You don't have to go through all of them. But like, what are the systems? Let me go? What are the systems that are in place that keep us divided? And what do you think would be a mindset that would switch the people who are in leadership to a mindset of results versus the reaction to what is?Chase Russell 23:54  To answer your question, I mean, I'm not going to go into the exact specific bills that would probably be divisive, because that would take a very long time. However, one one thing that I've actually researched quite a bit and I'm a firm believer in is term limits. If you can take the incentive of career politicians away, and you don't have the lobbying Look, if you look at how much money is spent on just lobbying, lobbying the government if you had every two years you had to spend even more money to lobby a different candidate or a different you know, person. We would probably be in a lot better place it's it's effectively making your politicians work for you again, because politicians don't work for you. Okay, they don't work. It's for the people by the people as representative of the people. It's not real anymore. That's not a thing. Okay. It probably was never real to begin with. And 100% honest with you, it was probably never real to begin with. It was all about again, it goes back to the money aspect of it. money is spent on lobbying. There's a reason that people, there's a senator and I can't remember the exact name, but I wrote a report on them a long time ago. There's a senator that has been in the Senate for 46 years has never had a bill passed, explained to me how somebody can be in the Senate for 40 something years and never get a bill passed. He's never fostered a bill authored a bill. He's never done, it never gotten one passed. Okay, if you're an if that's not a waste of taxpayer funded money, I don't know what is okay. That's what the issue is, is we're just blowing money on things just because we can and if we don't, for instance, Okay, here we go. In the military. In the military, the way the budget works out, is if you don't use it, every Squadron or unit or Command gets a certain set amount of money, let's just for simplistic purposes, let's say a million dollars, if you don't use that entire million dollars, the next year, your budget gets cut. So what do you do on September 1, when the fiscal year ends, you blow your budget, is that I own a company, okay, I'm pretty good at finance, too. That's not good business. And then, you know, the further dividing, dividing thing is, it's incompetent, it's in direct competition on the private side of things. It's in direct competition with the private sector. If a government agency comes in, let's say, campsite, government agency comes in, they set up a campsite, and they're charging $2, because they're good, it's going to be subsidized by the government anyway, the private campsite down the road, can't match that they're going to lose money. So then the private campsite goes out, and all the taxpayer money is going into the private camps or the public campsite. It's just it's, it's it's a repetitive cycle of just nonsensical spending. Government that's wasteful. And then these politicians, they don't work for you, they don't care, they're going to get paid, or every single one of those politicians have been paid every senator, everyone's been paid this entire Coronavirus, your family and everybody might have been starving when they're getting paid. They didn't care they worked 86 days last year, you can look it up on, you can look it up on.gov on congress.gov, you can look at exactly how many days they were in session.Ari Gronich 27:12  Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm going to have a little disagreement about term limits. And with a caveat. Roosevelt is my caveat. The fact of the matter is, is that after four terms, he would have been elected again, because he was so good at what he was doing policy or no policy, whether you believe in it or not, like, you know, the New Deal, what whatever, he was so good at what he did, and so light that he was reelected again, and again. I think that people who are really good at their job, should not have to leave that job just because of an arbitrary term limit. However, if you're not doing your fucking job, you should not be doing your job. And here's the caveat to that is the people are too freaking busy, or lazy, or uninterested or an educated or whatever the case is, I don't know what the school system has done to civics to civil, you know, to a class about your civil and civic responsibilities. We used to have that in school when I was a kid. I don't see it regularly on a schedule nowadays, but we had this call of duty to our country because we were taught it. And so I don't think somebody should get the job just because they're the ones who keep going. And nobody else is really running after them of quality, because nobody's learned how to be a politician. But at the same time, you know, got to do your job people and us as the people have to be willing to hold them accountable. And that's the thing I don't think has happened in the last at least 40 years, is the people holding the politicians accountable. Because I think a lot of things are being done in secret. And so it's hard, hard to hold people accountable. When the policies that are being made like I'll give you an example here in Florida, there's a bill that was passed years ago. At the end of that beer bill, there's a paragraph about this big, so long bill, and at the end of that there's a little section that says it's now illegal, it's a felony to be a naturopathic doctor in Florida had nothing to do with anything else that was in That bill. And the only reason for it was because there's a lobby of a school that wanted to be the only school that gets to teach that particular profession here. So I guess what I'm saying is, there is people, and then there's government, right? Government is made up of people. And I hate it when people say the government, this the government that the government's doing out of control spending, the government's doing this, because it's not the government. It's the people who are running the government. And I think that that dichotomy that that separation of the cognitive dissonance of the government is this evil, big thing that's doing evil, big stuff. And the people are good, so the people should get the power back. Right? I think that that's a false comparison. Because we are the government, the government does not run without people. It would be a non thing.Chase Russell 31:18  So I agree with I agree with you in the sense that, you know, we we should be the government. But you know, let's go back to your your point about people are either too busy, or they're on educated or whatever it is, you know, there's multiple factors that go into this your school system, the education system in the United States, it's not meant to make you smart. It's not meant to make you That's why every you know, Ilan musk doesn't graduate high. That's why these people that think differently, they don't graduate college, they don't go to college, they don't, you know, they're under stimulated. You know, there's, there's hundreds of millions of kids that are on medications that they're meth, it's meth, I mean, let's be real about it. It's meth, it's an amphetamine. Okay? And they're, they're taking these and they're just getting drawn down and fogging into this, you know, system of be a good worker. And that's an old European system. Our education system is very old European system that's been used to train soldiers. Actually, if you look at the history of the education system, grades one through 12, the way we do it here in the United States, it's not meant to teach people I think there needs to be, I'm going down a rabbit hole on this one. Because there's so many points to hit on. But oh, no, no, that's fine. I do too. But I I've got going back to the education thing, though. People aren't taught to critically think people are not taught to solve problems. They're taught to follow instructions. I mean, think about everything you did in class, it was never, it was never, in this goes back to the 80s to the 90s. We're not you know, when I started school, the early 2000s. You were never given a problem and said, You know what, I'm not going to give you the directions to figure it out. You just got to figure it out. And that's what's wrong is most kids nowadays, and even when we were kids, I wasn't stimulated in school. I was good at school because I had to be because I, I enjoyed being good at things. And I could I, I'm not the person that can just fail at things. But I would go to school and I wasn't stimulated, my daughter's my daughter's the same way. She's eight, she goes to school and she can't just focus but you ask I she can literally recite exactly how GPS works. She literally knows what GPS stands for how it works and how it triangulates the whole night. She's extremely intelligent. But you know, you give her some basic math problem. And she's like, this is dumb, she doesn't find the purpose in it. And that's what's wrong is that you're not being taught to find your purpose. You're not being taught to find something that actually intrigues you. Whereas in history, it used to be like that we had great philosophers and stuff like that, that were taught to think critically. But that that hits on the education people are people are bombarded with with false information from the media, you don't know what to believe you have to dig and dig and dig and dig to find some relevant answer to your question, or find some policy and that is all by design. It's all by design. If you think for a second that all of these media outlets are not just trying to confuse you. And the education system is not just trying to make people dumb. They don't want smart people. Why would the education system want smart people they want a few smart people, but they don't want they don't want an entire population of smart people because the in this is a tobacco industry. RJ Reynolds This is exactly in their documents, the best consumers a dumb consumer. That's straight from their CEO. They want people to just follow instructions. That's why the education system was originally designed for the military. It was designed for the euro for a European country is a military tactic to train them to follow instructions. But I digress.You know, people are too busy. They're not they're not looking at this and then the right mindset of, I need to know who I'm voting for what I'm voting for. I know, hundreds of people and I'm not against Biden, I'm not against you know, any type of political figure I'm, I'm for who's what's best for America. What I am for is people being educated on their vote. I know tons of people that say, I'm pro this pro this pro this and then they vote for somebody that is not what they're what they're saying they're pro for. And I and I just asked him, I was like, you know, why did you vote for them one for this one issue. And if that's the way you want to vote, that's okay. But don't be upset when the rest of the issues are not being met to your standard. And then, you know, you're not happy about it. I think go into the term limits thing, though. I agree with you that term limits are not an answer at all. It's, it's by far the answer to all it's a mixture. It's a combination of multiple things at once. My my number one point with the term limits is ending lobbying. How do you end lobbying, and the only logical response to that would be term limits. Now, we look at term limits in the sense that you've got two terms and it's done. What if you can, you know, alter that in a sense that you've got two terms, you have a set standard at any other job? Imagine if you were an intern at the end of your internship, they're going to do a review board with you or at a job the first six months or 90 days or where they're going to do a review board with you. How did you do? Okay, you did pretty well, you passed XYZ bill. You know, okay, now you can run for another term, or no, you're you didn't meet your and that's gonna incentivize those senators to be like, Hey, you know, let's get this going. Let's work together. Let's, you know, because you want to get reelected. I want to get reelected. Let's work for our constituents. And I think it's forcing them to spend more time with their constituents. I mean, look at the Nancy Pelosi situation, for instance, during Coronavirus, everything's closed down, she's getting her hair done. It's rules for the and not for me. And that's what and that's why and let's hit on your government point for a second when people say I agree with you on that, that. People look at the government as an entity, and they don't look at the government as individuals that work for them, the government works for you. Not the other way around, the government doesn't get to tell you what to do, when to do it, how to do it. So the government works for you. And as an entity, if you look at them as an entity, it looks like a huge organization. But it's just a bunch of people that you fund that you pay their salaries, and they should be working for you. But with that being said, also, you know, you've got to really get a connection with your government that we need a we need a foster an environment that should be connected to their politicians that should be trusting their politicians, and not just trying to get a vote. We need to hold politicians accountable for things they say during campaigns that they don't follow through with I mean, how many times on the campaign trail, did Biden say he's going to give out free health care? Or he's going to give out a nice way to relieve college debt? And then he does it. And then he got your vote, though. That's fraud. Is that not fraud? That's the definition of fraud.Ari Gronich 38:27  Technically, truth in advertising does not relate to politicians. The truth and advertising Act does not relate to politician advertisements, which is really weird. But I don't know if the truth and advertising act is actually in effect, if there's anybody actually looking at that. And regulating it because we have a law that says truth in advertising. So you must tell absolutely the truth in all of the advertising that happens. AndChase Russell 39:05  yeah, but telling the truth, telling the truth and telling the truth and leaving out the truth. There are two different things. That's that's I mean, if you look at advertising itself, from a corporate standpoint, you can omit the truth. You just can't say actively against the truth. And there's so many ways you can word that to the legalities to get around that type of thing. And it's the same thing with with politicians. What I'm saying is is not necessarily making an illegal battle with politicians. I'm saying it's fraud, because it is the definition of fraud. However, whether it's going to be prosecuted as fraud, that's a completely separate story. What I'm saying is, is that people need to be more cognitive and not accept that what it is, is people are just accepting because that's just the way it's been. It's just a constant barrage, but it goes back to the education system. That's what they're taught to do. Right. That's what they're taught. Do just follow the directions, okay? If I'm my politician just completely lied to me and he got my vote. It's fine. That's what I'm told to do. You know, that's the let's look at I'm not anti mask, let's not play this, I, you know, I'm not gonna go down that route. But you know, the masks situation, I believe in personal freedoms, if you don't want to wear a mask, you know, okay, that's fine. If you do want to wear a mask, that's fine. If you do, I am a person that believes in personal decisions with people. Now, once they affect other people, then that's a different story. But you need to be held accountable for the thing that's America's gotten away from it's just being held accountable. And it starts with the politicians. They're not held accountable for anything.Ari Gronich 40:43  Yeah, but it doesn't start with the politicians, I think, because I'll give you an example. My brother's a school teacher. And his biggest issue is not with the kids, it's with the parents, because the parents don't hold their kids accountable. So if the kids aren't held accountable from that early age, they don't learn it to hold anybody else accountable. Right. So when the standards have become so low, like this country used to have the highest of standards, we wanted to be the best at everything. And then we got there. And we said, okay, we're done. Yeah, let's, let's do something different and redo all of our, you know, the things that got us there.Chase Russell 41:35  So here's the question, What changed? I mean, let's let's hit on the school topic for many years, or let's hit on the the children topic, because I'm obviously you know, I'm a father so that that's a route that I go down.Ari Gronich 41:47  Yeah. So in, I think it was the early 80s. The school, the standardized testing, became a little bit more important for the schools funding. So the school the money, yeah, so the schools decided that they needed to teach you enough to get you to answer a test, but not enough to retain the information. Right, the system itself, as a whole, began to regulate themselves towards a standardized test of information that 100% affected the funding of that school. And so you weren't taught critical thinking or how to think for yourself, because they needed to drill information into you enough that when they gave you the test, at the end of that week, you still remembered it, even though by the next Monday, I think it's somewhere around 80% loss of comprehension and retention of that information. And so my brother's his old teacher, as I said, and he's been rewriting the system to kind of make it more results oriented. But when we do that, we stopped critical thinking we stopped common sense, we stopped solution oriented conversations. And so now it's not, how do you find that answer out? It's, here's the problem. What's the answer? And that's it. Right? We used to have toChase Russell 43:30  think, do you think that that has had an effect on the way we communicate as as Americans? Do you think that the fact that you can't critically think okay, if I come to you for for instance, you just said a minute ago, hey, I disagree with you on this, I sat back, I said, Okay, let's listen to your point of view, I critically thought about it, I can retain that information. I can pick and choose what I need from that information, and then make a decision on my own. So the fact that the schools are teaching you to this is a get to be take test. Do you think that in the same sense, that that is affected the where we are now in America today, where you can't you can agree to disagree. That's, that's one of my main things is like you can't agree to disagree. That's an issue. You should be I should be able to sit right across the table from somebody that is completely opposite of me. And I value that conversation more than somebody that agrees with me. However, in today's society, and especially with the generations coming up is they've been just so fostered. And and you say in the 80s, so let's say you know, parents that went to school in the 80s and started that system, now have kids, and those kids are now going to the system. So those kids are getting it at school, and now they're getting at home. It's the first generation after this shift that you're talking about. And that's why in America we have such a political divide and there's no gray area for discussion. Everything is black or white, and I don't think anything is black and white. I think there's a gray area for everything. But that's my point on what you're saying. I didn't mean to cut you off, by the way.Ari Gronich 45:10  Oh, no, no, this is this is all about your show. No, I'm asking you questions. I value your opinion, I want I want that I want the conversation, the conversation to me is the most valuable part of, of any exploration, right? So my mom's a teacher. My dad's not a teacher, my brother's a teacher. But I was always taught in life. Question everything. Not in a disrespectful way. Like, why am I doing that? Mom? You know, like, I'm not quite, it's not that it's what is the cause? What is the purpose? What is the intention? what's, what is the root of this issue? And because I was taught that kind of thinking from an early age, everything that has come after goes through the lens. So, you know, I'll never say that I'm not racist. Right? Why? Because I know that if I critically look at my brain, right, I have innate reactions to things that are different, that are not conscious, their subconscious there in the background. And until I reveal that one thought, or that set of thoughts, I'm not in full knowing of who I am. So I can't rule any part of me out. Or say I am this, and that's what I am. Right? I can only say I am a work in progress. I am me, I'm a person. And so I can't understand that whole thing about hate,Chase Russell 46:59  and race. And my question with that, though, would be is is, you know, you say, I've never gonna say I'm not a racist. But if you have one of those thoughts or something like that, does that inherently make you racist? Or do that just give you a racial bias? I think that's a question. I think racism is I think we're mis mis judging the word racism for just a racial bias.Ari Gronich 47:25  I don't think it's a racial either. Neither is positive, right, by any means. And I don't think it's necessarily that but I was having a conversation a little bit ago with with somebody who used to be the president of her Black Lives Matters area where she lives. And I asked her a question, I was sitting in the shower One morning, meditating, as the water was pouring over me and I had this thought, and the thought was, people are scared of the dark. Is that why people are scared of black people? That was just the thought that popped in my head. It was questioning, people are scared of the dark at night is when people think all bad things happen. noises anything that's that's gonna getcha happens. Right? in the dark. in ignorance. In you know, we say ignorance is being in the dark. In the light is illumination is information as knowledge is some you know, so my inherent bias thought was, are we primal, the primal nature of the reptilian part of our brain? Are we designed to be afraid of dark? And is that a Bible thing is that a good bad thing is that everything that's good is white, everything bad is black. I mean, we've been trained with that our whole lives. If you look at cartoons from when we were kids, you know, the bad guy was always in black. The good guy was always white, right? So I was curious as to inherent bias, genetically training bias, like how our parents taught, taught us and it in general. But I notice that as much as I like to think of myself as an evolved human being who I've dated, outside my culture, my roommate for a while, was a Palestinian woman, who was like a sister to me, you know, and she and I would have amazing conversations. And so I also know that when I look at like Israeli Palestinian conflict, as much as I can be objective about what's going on, I still I still have a little bias, it's still and we don't know enough information to not have those in inherent biases act out. Like people know that Israel's been bombing, you know, Palestine, right. Yeah. lately. People know that Palestine kind of started it. But the result inequity is so great. Right. But they don't know what's going on in the background. They don't know about the water shortage in Palestine. And and, you know, they don't know about maybe some of the issues they don't know about some of the issues in Israel. They don't know, for instance, that there's 1.9 million Palestinians and Muslims living in Israel pretty peacefully and happily alongside each other. Yeah. And so they don't see that. So there's a inherent bias. And I hear it a lot with this conversation of either that the Israelis are this evil force that needs to be eradicated. Or they're this good, right. But those kind of black and white conversations is exactly against what you just talked about the shades of grey, the nuance. So how do we get the nuance out there so that people can get a sense of what reality is, versus those inherent biases?Chase Russell 51:22  Yeah, I mean, there's a, like I said, there's a gray area and everything, everything, there's a theory of gravity, I tell you, right now, if I dropped this water, right, now, it's going to hit the ground. But it's still a theory you don't know. Okay, you don't know every nobody will never know every aspect of the Palestinian Israeli conflict, they're not going to, they're not going to be able to see it. Plus, it doesn't sell, it doesn't sell. So even if you tried to research it as much as you possibly could, unless you have first hand knowledge of it, you're not going to understand it, you're not going to get the whole picture of it. The point being, and you just set it yourself is you got to change your own mindset about it, you got to change, you got to think about things in a different mindset. You cannot think about things black and white. And that's the number one factor is what's wrong is we've gotten to a point it goes back to the education system, it goes back to the way we are, we're raising up and training our children. To not objectively think about things you you detailed the scientific theory a minute ago, you detailed it, the who, what, when, why where How is this happening in? You're not questioning it? But you're theorizing you're building a hypothesis on whatever it is? That's not a question. It is a question, but it's not like it's not a smart aleck question. It's a question on I want to understand this. And I'm going to build a scientific theory. And that's the way you got to start looking at things when you're when you're dealing with this. And you have to object in it. It's there's so much information being slammed at people these days that you could spend every waking second running hypothesis on different things between the stock market or why the government is this or why this is happening. You could do it all day. You really could. And that's what the you know, since the 80s. Now to is it's just been a barrage of information that's been thrown at us. But to answer your question directly, you have to look at things as if there was a gray area, because there is a gray area. There's there's nobody the Israelis are not right, there's really choosing they're not right, the Israeli Palestinians are not right. Or the Israeli Muslims are not right there. The Palestinians are not ready, you know, Iran funding the Palestinians is not right, the US funding, Israel is not right. Okay, there's no right or wrong, there is just facts, and you get to make the determination on that. And once you start thinking about everything in your life, objectively, it stopped being so factual and so dead set on one answer to a question then you're never going to grow. That's what's wrong is we're not growing as people we're not becoming more intelligent as a people because we weren't taught to critically think first off. And it takes it took me I'm not gonna lie to you. I didn't think critically for a very long time. And the older I've gotten now, the more I The more I look at things very critically as if there's a gray area, but there are still a very large multitude of people who have never left it goes back to that you've never left the United States, you've never seen anything different. So you just think the way you do it as the way it is.Unknown Speaker 54:32  And thenChase Russell 54:35  you got to start thinking about things critically. That's that's the key to it, is just think about it like a scientific theory. Yeah.Ari Gronich 54:42  I love when people say this is the most beautiful country in the world who have never been outside of the country.Chase Russell 54:48  Because there's a lot of amazing things about the United States. I've been to some very bad places have been some very good places. There's good and bad about every place. Oh yeah.Ari Gronich 54:57  I mean, I'm just saying like, we have these beautiful majestic mountains. But have you ever seen the rainbow mountains in Peru? Or Yeah, equias Falls, you know, like, everywhere This planet is such a beautiful place. And I just like there's a part of me that just wants to say, feel free to roam around the planet, like when you're on a plane, feel free to roam around the plane, you know, take off your seat belts roam around, feel free to roam around this planet and learn about people learn about yourself, learn about cultures, because that's the juice of life. That's the color that life brings. And, you know, we're talking about critical thinking, and common sense. But the other part I want to bring up with that is the butterfly effect. And how do people begin to kind of play chess with their life and look at if I do this move? What's gonna happen, the 20 moves down the line, you know, if I poison the water, for instance, like today with one bottle, and then 20 more people come tomorrow? And then 100 more people like, what's the butterfly effect? What's the ripple effects of our actions? And how does that affect long term. And that's another part that with philosophy and philosophers that has kind of left the building, in a way everything is what's the immediate effect, the fast food effect, is what I call it.Chase Russell 56:33  We as a society, especially in America, we become so used to instant gratification, you can post a picture up, you get 1000 likes you get there is a lot of psychology, and I'm not a psychology major by but I've studied it quite a bit. There's a lot of psychology on the social medias impact on on young children, and it's positive and negative. Everybody knows there's positive and negative motivation. And if you look at suicide rates, for young girls, they're through the roof. Why? Because they're posting pictures, and they're not getting likes. And it's, it's it's deteriorating them from the inside out. There's so much instant gratification that just happens in the United States. And once you start getting that instant gratification, it's very hard to slow things down. Imagine if we all had to go back to dial up. Imagine if imagine that, imagine if we all had to go back to dial up.Ari Gronich 57:30  Yeah, it would ruinChase Russell 57:32  it would ruin us. But you know, 2030 years ago or whatever, none of us had anything but dial up. And then before that we didn't even have the internet. So it's hard to it's hard to reverse. It's hard to reverse change. It's hard to reverse innovation. Sometimes though, you need to reverse it, you need to reverse the instant gratification, it might seem good at the time, but it's not, it's not going to end very well. And it starts with that long term thinking and it it needs to be fostered by a form of wisdom. In a sense, it needs to be somebody or a group of people or it overall as a society, we need to foster a culture of wisdom, it's we need to foster that it's cool, or that it's popular or that there's a social norm, or perception to be intelligent is a good thing. What we've done as a society along with the social media is foster the Kim Kardashian ins and foster a society that favors the catch me outside girl, I don't know her name. But you know, that type of that's what that's what people are aspiring to be. And that's not that's not good. And it doesn't create a very forward thinking position for our culture in our society. And as far as that goes, I mean, look at look at debt. This is another this is gonna go down another avenue of how bad we've become as a culture for instant gratification. The credit card comes out the debt, the United States personal debt increases by like, I think it's 72% more every year, year over year 72% more And granted, take into account, you know, population increases, but it doesn't account for it would still be a 50 to 51% increase even with population, but people want everything now. They want it now. And that's good. I mean, it's good for a company because you know, you capitalize on the consumer, but it's not good for your mindset. It's not good for your mentality.Ari Gronich 59:51  The Wisdom is the key to that because you know, as you're saying, like Tick tock, for instance, you could be a tick tock millionaire like that. Right, but whether you know what to do with that money that you just made off the minute video of you flashing your your moves to, you know, a song that is popular at the time, and you get a million views and made money, oh my goodness, what?Chase Russell 1:00:18  Now what people don't people don't a lot of I'm not gonna say all people because that's a generalizing term, but there's a vast majority and a very overwhelming push in the United States and all over the world for that matter. That doesn't think long term, they don't they see money, you know, that's why most NFL players are most people that win the lottery, they go broke instantly why, you know, you can give a lot of people money, I can, you know, if I had a million dollars sitting in the bank that I just gave to somebody, that doesn't make them easily gonna go and be successful, because they're gonna blow it, if they don't have the right mindset, if they haven't educated themselves and the wisdom to what to do with it. And they're certain people, if I gave a million dollars to he would come back in or she would come back in a year, and I would have $10 million, you know, we need to create a society that values education, and that starts back again, with the education system, it it all boils back down to you need to you want to educate people, but we don't want to educate people, right, we want people to be done. And that keeps an elite power. And you know, that keeps a very select few that are educated and that do understand this and power.Ari Gronich 1:01:31  And this goes that goes back to the church, not wanting people to read because you know, you could only go through go to God through the the priest. That was back in the dark ages. But that was what that was what it was, is keep keep people ignorant, so that they don't know how to read thatChase Russell 1:01:49  even even even during Martin Luther, what you know, when the Protestant movement happened, that they didn't want people to read, they wrote the Bible, they wouldn't translate the Bible from Hebrew because they didn't want them to read it in English.Ari Gronich 1:02:00  Exactly. And then going out going coming back to, you know, us, right, the beginning, women couldn't learn, they weren't allowed to go to college, they weren't allowed to, you know, go to schools and things like that, obviously, you know, any race other than the white people, the British people now had had that. But we're going to finish this up with the end of this conversation. And that is the business side of life. Because you're 27, almost year old, who owns an airline company that now has, I believe, 12 in its fleet, you're driven your goals. I mean, you know, running for Florida, to be your Florida representative. I mean, you have these massive goals. And so what I was hoping that you'd be able to break down a little bit into small bite sized chunks, is the mindset that you use to come out of a war and go into a business and become an entrepreneur. And then the little mindset steps that you think people could use if they're looking and wanting to create a new tomorrow for themselves and activate their vision for a better world.Chase Russell 1:03:28  Yes, so I mean, coming out of the I wasn't always the person, I was in normal. I was a normal person, like I was a normal kid straight at high school. join the military, the military was an amazing thing. For me, it taught me It got me to see a lot of places, I got to see a lot of very bad places. A lot of places I don't really want to go back to. But I what really was a changing factor for me was being able to say there's negative motivation and positive motivation, but they're both moving forward. So taking anything that could happen to you negatively, and just using it as a positive, anything that could happen you positive taking it also as a positive. And using that so you know, when I was getting out of the military, I just took its little steps, you said it yourself. It's just the little steps, get a plan and take one step at a time. And before you know it you're you're going and going and going and going and going and it just doesn't stop and then while you're on that journey, you're simultaneously fixing yourself or you're simultaneously working on yourself. You might be in an amazing spot you might be in the best mindset of your life. But you can always get better and always having the humility and always having the just the the drive and desire to want to be better. And realizing Hey, I'm messing up here. I need to fix this. I need to fix that to having a mentor having some type of person To check you is always an amazing thing to have. And just really being able to look in the mirror and say, You know what, that's not what I want my life to be, I can't tell you how many times I sat and I was stuck in Kuwait. And I was like, I don't, this isn't what I want my life to be, you know, you got to picture yourself being better than you are every single day. And then you've got to outwork yourself. So when I, when I sat there and looked at myself, that's not where I want to be I it just started fostering this, every day I woke up, that's not where I want to be. Let's get to the next spot. Let's get to the next spot is far as starting the airline,Ari Gronich 1:05:42  I'm going to I'm going to stop you for a second. So there's two points that I want to make. Number one, he said, Make a plan. That was the first thing he said. So for the audience, making a plan is the one thing that most do not do. They set a goal, but not a plan to go with the goal. Right? He said a new year's resolution, but not an action step to go with it. So what chase just said is, number one, make a plan. The other thing that he said was, once you make that plan, start acting on it. And your goal is to challenge yourself to be better than you were yesterday, not to be better than anybody else. This is my caveat not to be better than anybody else not to you have no competition, other than yourself. And with your previous version of you that day. So I just wanted to kind of illustrate your two points back to the business yet,Chase Russell 1:06:45  no good thing you did, because I can ramble. But, you know, starting the business. And by the way, we have we're licensing to jazz we're doing a capital raise right now for the the rest of the jets that we're going to be adding to our fleet. But I just wanted to clarify that. Okay, um, so,Unknown Speaker 1:07:08  you know,Chase Russell 1:07:09  I thought starting airlines a huge that's a huge goal. And you're in your what you were just saying a minute ago is you gotta have a plan and have that goal. And you got to start building a plan that starts with the one step at a time, just build the plan, build a plan, even if you don't know the plan, there was a lot of things I didn't know, there's a lot of things right now, I don't know. But that goes back to the building yourself and building a an environment around you building an environment within you, that says, hey, I don't know this, but I have I have the confidence in myself, I have the discipline, I have the drive, I have the determination to just really teach myself as much a

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Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:07  Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host Ari Gronich. And today I have with me Claudia garbutt, all the way from Germany. She is a molecular biologist turned mindset coach for ambitious mission driven entrepreneurs who want to shatter invisible ceilings and create more inner peace, income and impact without sacrificing their health relationships or happiness. Welcome, Claudia, why don't you tell us a little bit more about you? And how, how you became a molecular biologist turn mindset coach. I mean, you know, this is this takes some explanation.Claudia Garbutt 0:53  says, Well, hello, and thank you so much for having me. And yeah, so this, this story is a little bit like, like a criss cross. So I never thought I would be an entrepreneur, I was no one of those people who knew exactly that they wanted to become an entrepreneur. So I really surprised myself here. also kind of ironic, because the thing that I hated most growing up was public speaking, especially in English. And here we are. So how do we get there? Well, after I finished university, all I wanted to do was this half as nice, comfortable job that was fulfilling, but paid well. And that left me enough time to enjoy my life. But guess what, as it turns out, it wasn't that easy to find a job like that. And I studied biology because I was driven by my curiosity, I wanted to understand how life works on every level. And this is still one of my major driving forces for my curiosity, I guess.But I've shifted my focus slightly. So I've had a couple of key experiences that's slowly but steadily shifted my direction and my focus. So the first one was definitely when I got diagnosed with leukemia at the age of 28. And this pretty much turned my life upside down from one day to the next. And I still very clearly remember my first reaction to that diagnosis, which strange as it may sound, was a sense of relief. And that was weird, right? Because at that point, I mean, who gets the diagnosis of a potentially deadly illness and things, huh. At that point in my life, I was just suffering from a major burnout. And being sick finally gave me the break that I was looking for. And to understand that, you have to know that I grew up in a family where everyone was always busy and working very, very hard. And you didn't just take a break, you know, breaks were for the lazy for the elderly, or well for the sick. And so I finally had the right excuse. If you want to take a break without feeling guilty about it, at least if you want to call going through chemotherapy a break. And it sounds so weird when I say that out. But that's often the case, when you talk about the things that hold us back from doing the sensible things, right. They make perfect sense in our heads. But when we actually talk about them, they sound ridiculous.Ari Gronich 3:37  You know, it's funny, because I would have from like age seven to 24, I would have died for a proper diagnosis, I would have, I would have been so happy that I got a proper diagnosis instead of you know, the years of not knowing what the symptoms were not knowing why they were not knowing how to fix them. So I totally understand, you know, the sigh of relief, when you actually know something is actually wrong with me. I'm not just making it up in my head. It's an actual thing. And now I can do something about that actual thing versus just, you know, throwing darts on a dartboard trying to figure it out. So I totally get that. But yeah, the most probably not a lot of fun.Claudia Garbutt 4:32  No, it wasn't. It wasn't fun at all. But it made me aware of the pattern that I was stuck in. And I think probably for the first time in my entire life. I just really had the time to think about things and I started to really question those beliefs that I grew up with. Like was it really necessary to work 24 seven, or is struggled noble or do I really have to fulfill everything anyone else's expectations. And it's just when you have something like a near death experience, this changes a lot, right? Suddenly you start quest, start asking the right questions, the ones that are really important, like, do I like my life right now? Or do I like the direction in which I'm going? Or what would I actually what would I regret regret not having done if I died right now?Ari Gronich 5:27  Yeah, I think the audience can, could relate to that. I think that, that probably 99.99999% of all human beings have things that they absolutely know they should be doing, and yet can't get themselves to do any of them.Claudia Garbutt 5:47  Yeah, it's, it's so easy to fall back into old habits, especially when you're stressed and you don't pay close attention. So I knew that at that point in my life, I needed to leave a toxic work environment, I needed to leave a toxic relationship. And I wanted to do, I wanted to find something that fulfills me. So I just for myself, I knew that in order to beat the cancer, I had to define those goals, and I had to take action. And that's what I did. So as soon as I got out of the hospital, I started to slowly but surely break up that toxic relationship. So I left the toxic work environment. And then I applied for a scholarship at the end of the world, in New Zealand. So I went to the other side of the world, I left everything behind, and I basically started a new chapter in my life, but then it was still You can't leave yourself behind. And then when you get to that place, and you think you have done so much, you get stressed again, and you fall back into old habits,Ari Gronich 6:57  it's really hard to to distinguish who we are from what we do. You know, like, I noticed that when when anybody really introduces themselves when you say Who are you? I am a chiropractor, I am a you know, therapist, I am a construction worker, it's never I am this, I am me, who does this thing, right? It's always I am that. So, you know, maybe that's part of what makes it so difficult to shift is the identity that that you place within that, you know,Claudia Garbutt 7:34  absolutely, like shedding your old skin or like, something like that, it's and you don't know, you're vulnerable, you don't know what's coming next. It was it was really, it was quite terrifying, to be honest. And the conclusion I finally reached was that the best option for me would be to build my own online business, because it allowed me to work flexible hours, and I would be location independent. And because my husband is from New Zealand, and we still he still has all his family on that side of the planet. And we moved back to Germany, so we were never quite sure where we would end up. Just having this flexibility is huge.Ari Gronich 8:19  That's, that's awesome. So let me ask you a few questions. I'm gonna I'm going to take this in weird directions probably so and just just letting you know, that that we might go off on some interesting tangents, but biology of, say a virus, right? We've kind of gotten to the place where we we've accepted in science that viruses are not alive. They're not living things. So how does a virus attack an immune system? If it's not living? Because most things that attack us are the things that are living? And have you heard the theory that viruses are all exosomes that are just part of our body anyway. And so I'm just kind of, I just wanted to, like said it's off on a little bit of a tangent, but I just wanted to check to see what what your thought is on that.Claudia Garbutt 9:32  I never heard of that. And I've also never really thought about it. So good question. I think the way it works is because we all have like DNA is sort of so the genetic code works universally. So if they if the virus attacks itself, it inserts its its genetic material, and if it's active inside yourself Well, then it's translated into proteins. And that starts a whole cascade. So it doesn't really have to be a living organism. But if you think about your genetic code as aAri Gronich 10:10  book, it basically inserts a chapter into this book, in such a mode of fear these days, because they don't understand because nobody is actually telling them the truth of what these things are. And so like, like, mindset, becomes this mindset of fear, this mindset of lack this mindset of isolation, rather than a mindset of I know what's happening, and I know the kind of the timeline that it's going to take for this to go. And, you know, there's not a lot of logic going on with, with people's experience of what's happening now, including, especially the news and media and all that stuff. And so I'm just kind of, like, how do we match because one to match the fear with reality, right? and lack of fear with reality. So this is just a way to, to bring that mindset into the molecular biology a little bit and what's going on right now. Because you've had to pivot quite a bit, I think, since this whole pandemic, right?Claudia Garbutt 11:17  Yeah, I've never worked with viruses. I've worked with bacteria, a lot of work with human cell lines and animal cell lines and that kind of stuff. I've worked on projects that were so it was basic research, or the last project I worked on was basic reach research into neurodegenerative diseases and figuring out what's going on in diseases like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's and that kind of stuff. So that was my area of research, or medical interactions between medic different medicines. So if you have an adverse drug reaction between different drugs, that kind of thing. So it was quite a shift.Ari Gronich 12:07  Absolutely. So you've moved into this world of, as we talked about earlier, homeschooling your kids, and doing this online thing. So give us kind of like, what's been your year like, in a nutshell, like, what's, what's this transition look like? And then what is the mindset that you had to have in order to do this whole mess without, like, pulling your hair out? Because you already had the chemo? So you know, you didn't want the hair out? So I just had it, how did you get through all of this with a mindset that, that you have, which is so positive, and I mean, you know, anybody who's talking to you or watching this right now can see in your eyes, the amount of joy that you exude in what you're doing? So,Claudia Garbutt 13:02  questions, I think when it all started last year, I was exactly at the point where I had just figured out exactly what I wanted to do and an offer, like, I had finally found what I wanted to do, and then the pandemic hit. Okay, is it wise to start all this right now at this point in time? And then I thought, Why? What do I have to lose? There's nothing I have to lose. So why don't go one go for it. And the last year has been really, really crazy, because we also started a huge side project. So a friend of ours, and so my husband and a friend of us. Together, we bought this huge three story house. It's an old house, and we've been remodeling to turn it into three flats. Well, anyway, it's a huge project, a huge renovation project. And it all happened at the same time. So we started homeschooling, we started this building project on the side, I started building my business. And then I also started building my podcast. So it was all happening in the same time. And had you asked me before, if it was possible, to do all that, while at the same time, still go for a run every day have some time to like alone time for my sanity, I would have said No way.Ari Gronich 14:27  Anything else that you'd like to share? We were going to wrap this up because I know you've got to go. But anything else that you'd like to quickly share anything that you're doing in the world that you'd like to share with people?Claudia Garbutt 14:43  Well, maybe the last thing I like to share today as if it scares you. It might be a good thing to try. I can't remember if who said that, but I've found that to be very, very true. If it scares you, it might be a good thing too. Try because it gets you outside of your current comfort zone. And when you get outside of your current comfort zone, great things happen. Because if you keep, keep being stuck and inside this stone and you keep doing what you've been doing all the time, you've, you will keep getting what you've always gotten. And that might not be what you want to get. So if you want to change that, try the things that scare you.Ari Gronich 15:27  Awesome, awesome. How can people get ahold of you? If they'd like to learn more?Claudia Garbutt 15:33  And they can find me all they can find my website, which is www.wiredforsuccess.solutions, or they can find me on Facebook, Instagram or LinkedIn.Ari Gronich 15:45  Awesome wired for success solutions.solutions. Yeah, not solutions. Okay, wired for success dot solutions. If anybody would like to learn more about Claudia, I highly suggest that you connect with her molecular biologist turn mindset coach. I mean, how can it get any better than that? Thank you so much for coming on. I really appreciate all the value you've given to the audience today. So thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me. My pleasure. This has been another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host Ari Gronich and I look forward to seeing all of you create a new tomorrow today and activate your vision for a better world. Peace and love.

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She is a molecular biologist turned mindset coach for ambitious mission driven entrepreneurs who want to shatter invisible ceilings and create more inner peace, income and impact without sacrificing their health relationships or happiness. Welcome, Claudia, why don't you tell us a little bit more about you? And how, how you became a molecular biologist turned mindset coach, I mean, you know, this is this, this takes some explanation.1:02  says, Well, hello, and thank you so much for having me. And yeah, so this, this story is a little bit like like a criss cross. So I never thought I would be an entrepreneur, I was no one of those people who knew exactly that they wanted to become an entrepreneur. So I really surprised myself here. also kind of ironic, because the thing that I hated most growing up was public speaking, especially in English. And here we are. So how do we get there? Well, after I finished university, all I wanted to do was this happens nice, comfortable job that was fulfilling, but paid well. And that left me enough time to enjoy my life. But guess what, as it turns out, it wasn't that easy to find a job like that. And I studied biology because I was driven by my curiosity, I wanted to understand how life works on every level. And this is still one of my major driving forces for my curiosity, I guess. But I've shifted my focus slightly. So I've had a couple of key experiences that slowly but steadily shifted my direction and my focus. So the first one was definitely when I got diagnosed with leukemia at the age of 28. And this pretty much turned my whole life upside down from one day to the next. And I still very clearly remember my first reaction to that diagnosis, which is strange, as it may sound was a sense of relief. And that was weird, right? Because at that point, I mean, who gets the diagnosis of a potentially deadly illness and things, huh. So, at that point in my life, I was just suffering from a major burnout. And being sick finally gave me the break that I was looking for. And to understand that, you have to know that I grew up in a family where everyone was always busy and working very, very hard. And you didn't just take a break, you know, breaks were for the lazy for the elderly, or for the sick. And so I finally had the right excuse. If you want to take a break without feeling guilty about it, at least if you want to call it going through chemotherapy a break. And it sounds so weird when I say it out loud. But that's often the case when you talk about the things that hold us back from doing the sensible things, right. They make perfect sense in our heads. But when we actually talk about them, they sound ridiculous.3:45  You know, it's funny, because I would have from like age seven to 24, I would have died for a proper diagnosis, I would have, I would have been so happy that I got a proper diagnosis instead of you know, the years of not knowing what the symptoms were not knowing why they were not knowing how to fix them. So I totally understand, you know, the sigh of relief, when you actually know something is actually wrong with me. I'm not just making it up in my head. It's an actual thing. And now I can do something about that actual thing versus just, you know, throwing darts on a dartboard trying to figure it out. So I totally get that. But yeah, most probably not a lot of fun.4:40  No, it wasn't it wasn't fun at all. But it made me aware of the pattern and I was stuck in. And I think probably for the first time in my entire life. I just really had the time to think about things and I started to really question those beliefs that I grew up with. Like, was it really necessary to work? 24? Seven, or is struggled noble? Or do I really have to fulfill everyone else's expectations? And it's just when you have something like a near death experience, this changes a lot, right? Suddenly you start quest, stop asking the right questions, the ones that are really important, like, do I like my life right now? Or do I like the direction in which I'm going? Or what would I actually what would I regret regret not having done if I died right now. And then I realized that at that point in my life, my entire life was dominated by fear. And I was only making fear based decisions. I was trying to avoid everything. I chose to stay in the familiar suffering, I feel like because I was just too afraid to face any new uncertainty, I felt like I couldn't take anymore. And so I stayed stuck, right where it was, even though I wasn't happy with that. And that's when I decided that things really needed to change. And I was too young to die. And there were things in my life that I wanted to experience. And I, I wanted so many things. And today, I am proud to say that I've accomplished most of these things that I wanted to do. So I wanted to live abroad, I wanted to find a loving relationship, I wanted to have a job that fulfills me these kinds of things. But it's has been a real roller coaster getting there. Because realizing something and then actually changing. Those are two totally different things.6:38  Yeah, I think the audience can could relate to that. I think that that probably 99.99999% of all human beings have things that they absolutely know they should be doing. And yet can't get themselves to do any of them.6:59  Yeah, it's it's so easy to fall back into old habits, especially when you're stressed and you don't pay close attention. So I knew that at that point in my life, I needed to leave a toxic work environment, I needed to leave a toxic relationship. And I wanted to do, I wanted to find something that fulfills me. So I just for myself, I knew that in order to beat the cancer, I had to define those goals, and I had to take action. And that's what I did. So as soon as I got out of the hospital, I started to slowly but surely break up that toxic relationship. So I left the toxic work environment. And then I applied for a scholarship at the end of the world, in New Zealand. So I went to the other side of the world, I left everything behind, and I basically started a new chapter in my life, but then it was still You can't leave yourself behind. And then when you get to that place, and you think you have done so much, you get stressed again, and you fall back into old habits. And that's what that's basically what's happened. And I think the next really defining moment for me came when I became a mom and I had my own kids. Because up to that point, I was basically okay with working 24 seven in the lab, because I love biology. I'm very curious, I want to figure things down. That's, that's something that gives me joy. But I didn't want to have that kind of lifestyle for my family. I didn't want to be away all the time for my kids. And so I kind of needed to figure out what I could do instead. And I had no idea whatsoever what that could be because i the only thing I knew was being a biologist, and it was a huge part of my identity. I didn't know what else I could do. And I didn't even know what else I wanted to do. Because this was this was who I am or who I was, or you know what I mean?9:07  Yeah,9:08  it's really hard to to distinguish who we are from what we do. You know, like, I noticed that when when anybody really introduces themselves when you say Who are you? I am a chiropractor, I am a you know, therapist, I am a construction worker. It's never I am this, I am me, who does this thing, right? It's always I am that. So, you know, maybe that's part of what makes it so difficult to shift is the identity that that you place within that, you know,9:45  absolutely. I'd like shedding your old skin or like, something like that. It's and you don't know you're vulnerable. You don't know what's coming next. It was it was really it was quite terrifying to be Honest. And the conclusion I finally reached was that the best option for me would be to build my own online business, because it allowed me to work flexible hours, and I would be location independent. And because my husband is from New Zealand, and we still, he still has own family on that side of the planet, and we moved back to Germany, so we were never quite sure where we would end up. Just having this flexibility is huge. And then I've tried a couple of different things online. And to be honest, I didn't know what I was doing. And I was probably experiencing every single mindset blog that you can encounter. So from feeling like an imposter, to the fear of failure, the fear of success, the fear of judgment, perfectionism, and everything in between. But since I don't give up easily, I worked through all of them just one by one or as they came up. And I also saw that so many other entrepreneurs, they were struggling with the exact same issues that were coming up for me. And so I became a certified life coach. And I like different modalities to help others work through these mindset blocks, too. And finally, it all fell into place when I found a way to incorporate my biology background into the mix, and specialize in helping people or entrepreneurs, in particular, rewire their brain for more success in their life and business. That's when I felt that I had really found my true calling, because now I can help people work through these issues on the physiology level, as well as on a psychology level, leveraging the body mind connection. So essentially, I can now combine my background in science, with the psychology and self development to help my clients overcome the fear and the worry and the self doubt and the overwhelm, so that they can become those confident CEOs and conscious creators have their dream lives that they want to be.12:10  That's, that's awesome. So let me ask you a few questions. I'm gonna I'm gonna take this in weird directions probably so and just just letting you know, that that we might go off on some interesting tangents, but biology of, say a virus, right? We've kind of gotten to the place where we we've accepted in science that viruses are not alive. They're not living things. So how does a virus attack an immune system? If it's not living? Because most things that attack us are the things that are living? And have you heard the theory that viruses are all exosomes that are just part of our body anyway. And so I'm just kind of, I just wanted to, like said, it's off on a little bit of a tangent, but I just wanted to check to see what what your thought is on that.13:23  I've never heard of that. And I've also never really thought about it. So good question. I think the way it works is because we all have, like DNA, so so the genetic code works universally. So if they if the virus attacks the cell, it inserts its its genetic material. And if it's active inside yourself, well, then it's translated into proteins. And that starts a whole cascade. So it doesn't really have to be a living organism. But if you think about your genetic code as a book, it basically inserts a chapter into this book. And this is, this is what's happening. So I don't know if that answers your question.14:11  No, yeah, it's it's just interesting, because I think that people are in such a mode of fear these days, because they don't understand because nobody is actually telling them the truth of what these things are. And so like, like mindset becomes this mindset of fear this mindset of lack this mindset of isolation, rather than a mindset of I know what's happening and I know the kind of the timeline that it's going to take for this to go and you know, there's not a lot of logic going on with with people's experience of what's happening now. Including especially the news and media and all that stuff. And so, I'm just gonna, like how do we match because one a match the fear with reality, right? and lack of fear with reality. So this is just a way to, to bring that mindset into the molecular biology a little bit and what's going on right now. Because you've had to pivot quite a bit, I think, since this whole pandemic, right?15:18  Yeah, I've, I've never worked with viruses. I've worked with bacteria, a lot of work with human cell lines and animal cell lines and that kind of stuff. I've worked on projects that were so it was basic research. And the last project I worked on was basic reach research into neurodegenerative diseases, and figuring out what's going on in diseases like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's and that kind of stuff. So that was my area of research, or medical interactions between medic different medicines. So if you have an adverse drug reaction between different drugs, that kind of thing, so it was quite a shift. Mm hmm.16:08  Absolutely. So you've moved into this world of, as we talked about earlier, homeschooling your kids, and doing this online thing. So give us kind of like, what's been your year like, in a nutshell, like, what's, what's this transition look like? And then what is the mindset that you had to have in order to do this whole mess without, like, pulling your hair out? Because you already had the chemo? So you know, you didn't want the hair out? So I just had it? How did you get through all of this with a mindset that, that you have, which is so positive, and I mean, you know, anybody who's talking to you or watching this right now can see in your eyes, the amount of joy that you exude in what you're doing? So17:02  good questions, I think when it's, oh, started last year, I was exactly at the point where I had just figured out exactly what I wanted to do and an offer, like, I had finally found what I wanted to do, and then the pandemic hit. I was like, Okay, this isn't wise to start all this right now at this point in time. And then I thought, Why? What do I have to lose? There's nothing I have to lose. So why don't go one go for it. And the last year has been really, really crazy, because we also started a huge side project. So a friend of ours. And so my husband and a friend of us, together, we bought this huge three story house, it's an old house, and we've been remodeling to turn it into three flats. Well, anyway, it's a huge project, a huge renovation project. And it all happened at the same time. So we started homeschooling, we started this building project on the side, I started building my business. And then I also started building my podcast. So it was all happening in the same time. And had you asked me before, if it was possible, to do all that, while at the same time, still go for a run every day have some time to like alone time for my sanity, I would have said No way. But then I found a way to just incorporate all those things and set the boundaries. And it worked quite beautifully. So unlike in previous times, where I worked so hard that I finally reached that rock bottom burnout. This time it felt aligned, and it felt I felt full of joy. And I was it was an It was nice. I don't know how to say it other than that, but it was really a nice journey. I still had some days where I felt overwhelmed, of course. And then I had just had to take a few days off. But in general, I didn't feel overwhelmed anymore, I was able to make a plan to stick to that plan to work through the action steps and to just roll with the punches.19:14  So so what you said here is something that that I think people tend to miss, which is I made a plan first. And then I did not get overwhelmed because I had a plan and I was doing the plan. Right? How many people do you know that make up that don't make the plan. They just are doing their random things and are getting so overwhelmed because they have no plan. Yeah, a lot of people, but a lot of your clients, right?19:54  Yeah. A lot of people do it like that. But then that said even if you have a plan Often you only have like the first steps of your plan figured out because then it can just take in direction because it doesn't always go according to plan, right? So I think I wouldn't. So the big message I want to share here is, don't be discouraged, if you don't have it all figured out. And you don't have a plan that takes you from A to Zed in, you know, all the little action steps. Sometimes you just have to know the direction and get started and know the first steps and then you, you will figure it out along the way.20:36  Yeah, that's true. I, I tend to, I tend to like to do planning, from the end to the beginning. Yeah, you know, that that's kind of my, my style for it. And I, my clients, I tell all the time, you know, where do you want to be in 10 years? What's the life that you want to lead? what's the what's the day to day experience that you want to have? And then you just reverse engineer that, and create the business that wraps itself around the life you want, versus trying to wrap your life around the business that you have? Or the work or job that you have? Right? So what are some tips and tricks that you have for for getting into a pivot mindset where, you know, the next time let's say something happens that completely screws the entire universe up? You know, the people listening to this will be able will be like so far beyond? Because they've created a new tomorrow? And, and so what what suggestions would you have for them? And how to change their mindset to be ready for pivot for change for uncomfortability?22:00  I guess one of the most important questions you can ask yourself is just where's the opportunity in this? So what app whatever happens to you just keep asking yourself, where is the opportunity? Or what can I learn from this. And when you approach any kind of situations, from that kind of mindset, you will find the opportunities, and you will find a way to deal with the situation from a place of calm and relaxation, instead of getting completely overwhelmed and spinning into the worst case scenarios that just keep you like. Send your straight into survival mode. So it's, this is what I've found to be really helpful.22:45  That's awesome. So tell us a little bit more about what you're doing these days in order to to help the world and benefit your clients. I mean, you know, obviously, this show is all about creating a new tomorrow. So tips, tricks and specialties is kind of what we do at the end. But what is it that you're doing to create a new tomorrow for not just you but your family and and your community? I know that you said Germany is still pretty locked down, which is kind of odd in my head, because I've always known Germany to be so far advanced in the medical world innovation and discovery and research and so on. So what is what's going on with that?23:34  What's going on with Germany? Well, I think the people are getting tired of the lockdown. I think that's something that that increases the problem or makes it bigger at the moment because we've been in the lockdown for I think last three months, and four months last year. So people are starting really starting to feel the effect of the lockdown, especially all the small businesses that have to stay closed all the time. And for those sometimes they feel like they don't have an alternative they need to open the businesses or else their business dies. So I think at the moment, this, this probably prevents a lot of people to do the sensible thing and stay at home and follow the directions. And maybe that's why we still have all those high numbers at the moment. And then we also have two mutations. I mean, the mutations are more contagious than the original strain. So this is also assess abating the problem at the moment. But your your first question was what I do to help everyone Right,24:46  yeah. So24:49  what I'm trying to do is just to spread a message of hope and to tell people to just just Seek the control that they can find right now. Does that make sense. So to really feel into where in their lives right now they can feel in control. Because if you can feel control feel in control in one area of your life, it's easier to accept the uncertainty in other areas. Because if you feel uncertain and out of control in all the areas of your life, this is very hard, will be pretty miserable.25:33  So it could be a miserable existence, and overwhelming as well.25:39  Yeah, and you feel powerless and you feel powerless, you give up hope. And then you don't do the things that you know you should be doing. And this all leads into this downward spiral. So that's what we want to avoid.25:54  Okay, so you have goals, you want to help people with live happier, healthier and more fulfilling lives, right? So what is if you could sum up in a sentence or two? What you have found to be the answer for living a healthy, happy, healthy fulfilling life? What would be the answer? If you could sum it up in just one answer? Sure, why not? I figure we make it easy for you today,26:31  a question to the answer of the universe. And just one sentence, you know, what I think is really important. And what most people are most people I've talked to, don't really understand is how the body and the mind are connected. And that your thoughts influence your body, on a deep physiological level, all your experiences influence your body and also the other way around. So this is a two way street, the communication between the mind and the body is a two way street. Whatever you do to your body you do to your mind, and what you do to your mind, you do to your body. And this is something that you can harness to get into a positive upward spiral, where you live happy and healthy, and in alignment, or it can also trip you up, and you go down this downward spiral where you, you live in despair, and you you don't look after your body, and then it just goes into this downward spiral and you end up miserable. So this is something very important to understand.27:35  So understanding that is one thing, and doing something about it is completely different. Right? That's right. So so we kind of know that human beings get stuck in their comfort zone, even if their comfort zone is really uncomfortable. Meaning if you get stuck in a habit like smoking, and you get end up getting cancer, right, you don't quit smoking, because the habit the comfort, of having that drag is too much. Compared to the not having of it, right, the comfort that you know, the pain of what comfort, you know, versus the joy of what comfort you don't know. Is, is greater. I know what you mean? Yeah, greater than the value of, of a person's mind, right. So they'd rather eat the fast food, knowing that it's not going to be healthy for him knowing that it's not going to make them feel better, right. But it's fast. So it's comfortable. So they know that it's available immediately whenever they want it. So that's a comfort, right? But you may not know how to cook. But you may know that cooking your food from scratch is the best way to get healthy, right. So learning to cook would be outside of the comfort zone too far, for some people to shift their behavior. And that's just an interesting thing to me. Because I have a TED talk that I've been writing called the psychology of submission, why we act against our own self interest. And, and it's why we let the bullies win. And so you know, as a mindset, person, and so forth, combined with the biology because I happen to know about chemistry and my brain and how hormones and biology affects my mood, my actions, my decision making all that stuff. So how can we get people's mindset in alignment with their eating and behavior and lifestyle versus getting the mindset into Two quick fast food, you know, easy, whatever mode that we're in right now. How do we change that back?30:10  Good question. Again, one that can cure the world, right. So I think it comes back to something we talked earlier about to make a plan, and to follow that plan. And so we often, this is just a common human bias where we, where we, we focus on the short term benefit versus the long term consequences. And to shift that, we have to make a plan based on those long term consequences that we either want to achieve or to avoid. So when we start with that in mind, again, we can go back and define the steps that we should take. And then to start that you have a, we have to make really have to create really, really small steps, initial steps that get the habit going, we want to make those first initial steps as easy and as enjoyable as possible. So if you decide you want to do more exercise, and you start by running a marathon, you're not going to stick with that. But if you decide you need more exercise, and the first thing or the tiny initial step that you do, is you go for a 15 minute walk, then it's something that's easy to do, you might enjoy it, you can listen to the birds, you can enjoy the sunshine, you make it easy, you make it enjoyable, and you in you give it a time in the space. So you define it as for example, the first thing you do in the morning, so you create a routine around them. And that's how you can shift and you can build on those tiny action steps and build a habit around it.31:54  Right? So how do you create a routine, if you're if your current routine, like around morning, for instance, if your current routine is the alarm goes off, and the snooze button gets, gets hit,32:08  you put, you put it that way, take it out of the room, you have to engineer around the behavior that you know, you default to have, you know, you hit the snooze button, then put the alarm clock away where you can't reach it immediately where you have to get out of bed to region, or even into the next room if that's not enough, because then you force yourself to get up and turn it off. And once you got up, you don't go back to bed you stay up.32:44  Yeah, you know, for a long time I was I had this this routine where I would wake up and it didn't matter if I was ready to get up or not. If I woke up and opened my eyes, and I cheated a little bit, waking up and not opening my eyes. But I had I had this thing. So I if I was if I opened my eyes, then I would walk upstairs and I would get in my infrared sauna. And I would fall back asleep for another hour while I was in the sauna heating up, right. And then I'd wake up and go take a shower and then I'd be awake. So it was my way of being able to start that morning routine right and in a positive way. And when I was sleeping in the sauna I would have on the by neural beats and isochronic tones and solfeggio frequencies and you know, motivation and programming and Jim Rohn and stuff like that. So it would program my brain in my sleep, but in my half sleep. But you know anybody can create a routine that they actually like, right? So one of the things that I think people get turned off by is that all of the people who are telling them to make routines, especially morning routines, tell them how they do it. And you know, the person says, Well, I can't do it like you do it. Like if you were Mark Wahlberg with your morning routine waking up at three o'clock in the morning to exercise for two plus hours and you know, pump iron, that would that would hit like maybe 10% of the population. Right? The other 20% would go? No, oh, that's that's sleeping time. Right? So doing routines that are designed individually for you and your personality and your way of being is kind of the way that that I've always suggested I like don't do my routine. Right. Don't do anybody else's routine. Just do you. But make it make it the best version of you. Right? Absolutely.34:55  I completely agree. I think everyone is unique. We all have unique experiences we have our needs, we know we have our likes our dislikes. So if someone tells me they don't like to go running, I wouldn't suggest they integrated running into their daily routine, I would tell them to find something that brings them joy, and replaces running. So it doesn't have to be my way.35:22  Cool. So what kinds of things like, I know that that we had a limited conversation today, I can probably talk to you for another few hours. And I think we're gonna be doing a summit together. So you know, at some point, the audience, you know, just tune in, we're gonna do some cool stuff. So tips, tricks, and things, and then any last things that you really, really, really want the audience to get so that they can start creating their new tomorrow today. Something that35:58  I've personally found to be very, very helpful, and that I've resisted for years before I finally tried it was doing breathing techniques, I hated it. In the beginning, I had such a huge resistance around it. But when I finally started doing it, I had, it was a major breakthrough, because it finally allowed me to go deeper into my own physiology and fight all that overwhelm. So you go into the parasympathetic nervous nervous system, you can activate it, you can get out of that constant fight or flight. So if for anyone who's listening, and who hasn't tried it yet, give it a go, even though you don't feel like it, and give it a fair shot, which means don't do it just once or twice, and then decide it's not for you. Try it for a couple of weeks, at least, and see how you feel after them. Because for me, it really changed a lot. So that would definitely be my recommendation.37:05  Very nice. Very nice. Yeah, I am about to record I had a power breathing 15 minute exercise routine. And you're you're the only thing you're exercising is your breath. But I wrote it after finding out that 80% of all fat loss happens in your breath and your expiration, not in your pee, not your poop not in your sweat. 80% of all fat loss comes from breathing out fat. Kind of weird, huh? It's a long chain thing that turns into breath that when you breathe deep and heavy and hard, it's a better fat loss workout than building muscle that way. And lifting weights, it's kind of chronic crazy. So I've been writing this, I have this written, I'm going to video and create a video training with this 15 minute power breathing workout. Because breathing is so so important. And you know, for anybody who's listening on YouTube on pretty much anywhere, you could go and look up dragon breath or Kundalini breath or, you know, breathing techniques breathing for exercise. I remember even when I was a kid, there came out an infomercial when I was a kid, that was a breathing weight loss, you know, program. I find it fascinating. So awesome breath techniques, anything else?38:39  Ah, Shadow Work. If you don't know what it is Google ads. It's going to be your friend.38:47  Shadow Work. Yes. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I like to do mirror work. I think you and I talked about that before. But mirror work is, is basically bringing light to a shadow, you know, to your darkness to the person that you thought you were, but not the person that's in those eyeballs. So when you stare in the mirror at those eyeballs of yours, it's really difficult. I've had so many people they can't do it. Absolutely cannot look at themselves in the mirror in any kind of meaningful way. Meaning they can go walk in front of the mirror look at their makeup or hair or whatever. But looking in their eyeballs is been I found one of the most frightening things for people to do. To deeply look into yourself. And and so that to me is is one form of Shadow Work, right that you're describing is just looking in your own eyeballs and trying to find we're not even trying finding all of the places that you Love about yourself, however long it takes, and however many things and masks you have to get out of the way while you're doing it. Right. Sounds great. Yeah, I40:12  found that analyzing what triggers you sort of more like the dark side of the shadow what triggers you and others, that is something that I've found to be really interesting and really helpful, because those other things than are resonating with us on a deep emotional level. And that means we have some sort of attachment to them. And exploring that has been really interesting, also exploring what inspires me in other people to see it as the potential that's also hidden inside myself, for example. And that's maybe why I started a podcast, despite hating public speaking. But it's always been this kind of self discovery journey.41:01  Yeah, you know, one of the things that that I've always told people is, how many questions you have? How many? How many times do you question the things that are happening in the world? How many times do you question the things that are happening? up in here in your brain? You know, if you're passing a threat, a thought through your head, do you analyze it? Do you question it, you ask if that's true, you know, if somebody is having this negative self talk, which we all know happens quite a lot. Have you asked yourself if that's true? Have you just asked the question is this true about me, and really got real with yourself about it. Because that to me, is, is so so important with Shadow Work, and with the things that you're talking about. Anything else that you'd like to share, we're going to wrap this up, because I know you've got to go. But anything else that you'd like to quickly share anything that you're doing in the world that you'd like to share with people?42:09  Well, maybe the last thing I like to share today is, if it scares you, it might be a good thing to try. I can't remember who said that. But I've found that to be very, very true. If it scares you, it might be a good thing to try because it gets you outside of your current comfort zone. And when you get outside of your current comfort zone, great things happen. Because if you keeps keep being stuck, and inside, it's sown, and you keep doing what you've been doing all the time you you will keep getting what you've always gotten, and that might not be what you want to get. So if you want to change that, try the things that scare you.42:53  Awesome, awesome. How can people get ahold of you? If they'd like to learn more? And they can43:00  find me all or they can find my website, which is www.wiredforsuccess.solutions Or they can find me on Facebook, Instagram or LinkedIn.43:11  Awesome wired for success solutions.solutions. Yeah, that's solutions. Okay, wired for success.solutions. If anybody would like to learn more about Claudia, I highly suggest that you connect with her molecular biologist turn mindset coach. I mean, how can it get any better than that? Thank you so much for coming on. I really appreciate all the value you've given to the audience today. So thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me. My pleasure. This has been another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host Ari Gronich, and I look forward to seeing all of you create a new tomorrow today and activate your vision for a better world. peace, and love. Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. 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Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:07  Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I'm your host Ari Gronich and today with me is Esther blum. She is an integrative dietitian and a high performance coach and her her goal and she what she's done is helped 1000s of women permanently lose weight and eliminate the need for medication Lose Stubborn Belly Fat and reverse chronic illness. She teaches her clients to cultivate a warrior mindset when it comes to healing their relationship with food and unconditionally loving their bodies. Esther is the best selling author of cave women don't get fat. I like that title. Eat, drink and be gorgeous secrets of gorgeous and the eat, drink and be gorgeous project. She currently maintains a busy virtual practice where she provides 360 degrees of healing with physical, psychological, emotional and spiritual support. Esther has appeared on Dr. Oz the today show and Fox News Live. Welcome to the show. Esther, I really appreciate you coming on and taking out time. I know you have a very busy schedule. So thank you so much for being here. Thanks sorry for having me. So tell us a little bit about what got you started in the world of dietitian and then what kind of transitioned you from dietitian to integrative dietitian.Esther Blum 1:34  Um well I grew up in a medical family. My grandfather and father were both physicians. My grandfather was actually in ears, nose and throat doctor and an incredible surgeon. He was the tonsil, King of Brooklyn. And he trained my grandmother to be the anesthesiologist and the two of them took my tonsils out in their house in Brooklyn. My grandfather had an operating room, a treatment room, a consultation room and a 12 bed pediatric recovery room on the first floor of their house next to their kitchen and dining room. So you know, I grew up just thinking it was very normal for my grandfather to operate on me in his own home and my grandmother to put the ether mask over my face. So I was never even in the hospital really until childbirth. Um, so my father also was a gifted dermatologist who was a wonderful healer and I saw the two of them making house calls. You know, we would go up to my grandfather's farmhouse in Ridgefield, Connecticut on the weekends and the phone would ring and you know, they answering service with sad, like, speak to Dr. Blum. And we were like, Well, which one you know and so and they were just kind, compassionate people who did house calls and real country doctors. Even though my grandfather was in Brooklyn, and then my mother was a nurse. And we had lots of pharmacists in our families. So I grew up around medicine, it was comfortable around it was discussed at our dinner table for better or for worse. And I knew that I was interested in it. I always did well in school, but I didn't want to go to medical school. And my my grandfather said, What are you what are you thinking? I said, I think I want to be a dietitian, because it's all the pre med requirements. Basically, it's a little less physics, but it's all pre med. But none of the you know, residency. I mean, I had an internship, but it wasn't like this intense residency. And my grandfather said, What are you doing? That's like the biggest mistake, you're never going to be a success or make any money. And I was like, Oh, it's on it is so on right now. So I obviously have made money and been a success and said, proved him wrong. And he became my greatest champion. So why do you think what's what's what's your reasoning? Having been on both sides of, of the industry?Ari Gronich 4:05  Why do you think the language is so completely different between the two, and the studies, the research, the science, that everything that we look at? You know, I've I've been trained in functional medicine and have an immense amount of pain when it comes to seeing how much is missed in translation. And I'll give you a quick example. I had a family member who sent me all his labs, and his doctor was a traditional doctor basically said nothing was wrong with them. And I started going through on a functional lab level, and I kept looking at all these different numbers that were in the normal for the pathological numbers. But completely outside of functional. And as I looked through this, I was going, I basically figured out that this person was in liver failure. Like, with through the combination of things that were off, it was pretty clear picture. But the doctor said, Oh, you're perfectly fine. And so that's kind of the thing that bog bugs the crap out of me. So why do you think that it's so lost in translation between functional medicine and Western medicine?Esther Blum 5:36  Yeah, I don't have all the answers on where the gap lies. But I will say money is a big piece of it. You know, there's big Ag and Big Pharma. And, you know, for dieticians, the food guide pyramid is sponsored heavily by, you know, the dairy board, the grain board, not so much the meat board, right me gets all this horrible press, even though pastured meat is the most sustainable practice that we have in supporting agriculture and regenerative farming. So, yeah, I think there's a lot more money behind that, or there's money behind drug companies saying, you know, oh, you're not you're your mortality rate is much less when you take Lipitor every day or you take a stat and every day and your cholesterol needs to be lower and lower and lower and lower when cholesterol used to be 200 plus your age, we need cholesterol to support libido to make testosterone, estrogen, progesterone. Be fertile. You know, feel good brainAri Gronich 6:44  function,Esther Blum 6:46  function, healthy hair, skin, nails, fight depression, ADHD, gut health, all those things. So yeah, I think it's money, even though it's silly, because there's play money to be made and supplements too. If people are smart, they jump on that bandwagon. But yeah, it's a it's a lot harder to say, you know, eat a serving of blueberries every day for brain health, right? versus like, well, you can just take this drug or you know, so it's, I think you're constantly battling many This is this country puts the health of the pocketbook or the wallet way ahead of the health of the people, profits over people's I'm trying to say,Ari Gronich 7:25  right, so I heard a saying recently, and it went something along the lines of you eat vegetables to detoxify, and then you eat to heal. Oh, I love that. Oh, that is brilliant. Yeah. What do you think of that?Esther Blum 7:41  I mean, that's brilliant. Yes, I mean, but me helps detoxify, too, if you don't have enough protein, it's really hard to get your liver to conjugate, you know, essential amino acids and heal and detox your body. So, but you know, it is interesting. I do have there is a caveat to this. And I do have some clients that when I increase their meat, they gain weight, and they're, they can't process all the fat. So some people I actually have to go on the plant based route for about four to six months sometimes to really clean up their liver and do a good detox that's more plant based and then go back to the Paleo it depends on someone's starting point, someone is super, super obese. And their cortisol is off the charts. You know, it's we we tried different approaches there at the high meat doesn't always work. It depends.Ari Gronich 8:43  Right?Esther Blum 8:44  Yes, for a healthy normal, you know, reasonable weight, someone's within their target range, then yeah, I believe that I think you do need a balance of meat and poultry and fish and vegetables to really see tax buy in and organ meats, and build muscle support bone density,Ari Gronich 9:05  right? You know, when I look at human beings and how we used to eat, then I look at animals and, you know, they talk about vegetables and how you can build muscle with with just eating vegetables and being a vegetarian, but I look at at animals that are on a plant based diet. And they're typically very large. And then I look at animals that are predator animals, and they're typically very small but muscular, and powerful. And, you know, so you have slow and large on a plant based diet. But yet, we get told all the time lately, especially about these plant based diets being the healthiest thing we could do and then now they're coming out with all these plant based meats that are I don't know what you think of them.Esther Blum 10:06  I'm like a chemical shitstorm I mean, I was talking about this with my son. You know, he's he's almost 14, I'm like, stay the hell away from that crap. He's like, Mom, I would never be vegan, I just wouldn't do it. You know, again, it goes back to money. Like it's um, you know, Bill Gates is taking over a lot of our farmland that is producing GMO based crops. That the beyond burgers and the pea proteins any time there is, you know, that type of plant based versus actual clinical research. It's, there's money behind it, people have money to gain from it.Ari Gronich 10:47  Gotcha. So, I had a dietician Tell me one time, as she was drinking a diet soda in my presence. He said, something along the lines of I like to eat my calories, not drink them. Uh huh. What do you think of that statement? And people who think that diet sodas are so much better, or diet foods in general are so much better than natural foods?Esther Blum 11:15  Yeah, well, that's I mean, your body your choice. So you want to put crap that, you know, interferes with proper neurotransmitter function in your brain, knock yourself out. But you know, and yes, you you don't want to get your calories from orange juice or, you know, necessarily sodas or anything like that. But sometimes drinking calories can actually be nutritious. If I can get someone to get a protein shake, where they're getting 50 grams of protein. Instead of eating to eggs where they're getting 14 grams of protein, I am going to say drink your drink your calories and put some fiber in there, put some tea and flaxseed and put a low glycemic fruit and some veggies if you want and drink it all at once. Don't like sip it over hours of the day where you're messing with your blood sugar, so much. So it's really time in place, I mean, hypocrisy of bounds and dive in dietetics professions.Ari Gronich 12:15  So let's talk a little bit about lentils and lectins and night shades and inflammatory foods. Yeah, and, you know, even like tomatoes, I had a, I had a client one time, paid me for a six month package. And after going through everything at the very beginning and doing all the testing and all that stuff. We were putting her on an elimination plan. And she was Italian. And she said, keep your money. I can't not eat tomatoes. And I said it's only three weeks, and she wouldn't she couldn't not eat the tomato. But, you know, let's talk a little bit about that kind of unpack this because everybody's getting their information from Dr. Google right now. And and I'm not sure Dr. Google has all of the correct information, you know, readily available in a way that search.Esther Blum 13:19  Yeah, well, when it comes to elimination diets, you know, it's it's tricky, right? Because if somebody has a lot of people who I cheat, for example, have h pylori, or like real active H. pylori, or with having symptoms, or they have parasites, or they have leaky gut or cebo. So under those circumstances, right, you're you with an inflamed gut wall, and you're adding gasoline to the fire when you put those inflammatory foods into your system, right? That foods that you're sensitive to. And often the foods that you're the most sensitive to are the ones that you're eating every day, already anyway. So you can do food allergy testing during those times, but it's going to show up, you know, you're going to show up with 2030, even 40 allergies. That's how you really know you have a leaky gut. By the way, the more allergies you have tells us a lot about your gut.Ari Gronich 14:15  Yeah, just unpacking I think, for people what, you know, they hear all these fad diets and fad things and not know how to navigate. Yeah, yes. And so they end up you know, you'll end up Okay, we're on the keto this week and intermittent fasting that week and paleo the other week, and we just keep switching because we're not getting the answer we want. And, and, you know, with with my patients, I always said well, in functional medicine, we test Yeah, so that we're not, you know, throwing darts at a dartboard. But, but people don't really understand what all of these things are. They just look I mean, I still don't know if anybody knows if milk is good for you or bad for you, you know what I mean? Like, you have both sides of the equation. So I wanted a little bit.Esther Blum 15:12  Yeah, well and so much of your your food can be it, there's so many factors, right? Okay, fine, you can find out where your genetics are, you know, you see people in certain Nordic cultures eating attended dairy and are very lean and healthy. But where the cows given hormones were the cows fed GMO grains. Are they exposed to a lot less pesticides and GMOs in our food that are creating the leaky gut? You know, I think if we had if we all had better gut integrity, we tolerate a lot more foods. To your point like is milk good or bad for you? To me, it's, it's what you're eating. It's what you're absorbing that is far more important to me than worrying about the semantics rain. In theory, you know, dairies got, it's got sugar, but it also has a lot of protein. I mean, cottage cheese, to me is a is a power food for a lot of people. So if my people tolerate it and say, Yeah, I tell her dairy fine, and they're not having gut issues and like, go for it. You know, it's it's a lot more fun and easier to work with someone who has that much flexibility in their diets for sure.Ari Gronich 16:20  Yeah, that's one of the interesting things, I find that when you eliminate something like I don't eat sugar things, and I don't drink juices and stuff like that. And every now and then, if I even go for a sip of orange juice, or apple juice or something like that, I need to dilute it by like, 10 to one. Oh, yeah, with water, I mean, like, literally this much juice to the rest of the glasses, water, because otherwise, it's just too sweet. And it's ridiculously too sweet. And so, you know, here's a figure, and I don't remember the exact figure, but I think it was somewhere around one gram of sugar, or one and a half grams of sugar in your bloodstream naturally is about the 90, you know, that the 75 to 95, or whatever blood sugar ratio. And so the amount of sugar that we're eating in our diet, I mean, if you could imagine a gram and a half is what your blood sugar should be? How many grams? Do you put into one cup of coffee? And then how many cups of coffee? And then how many, right? things that you're eating, that you wouldn't necessarily think have sugar in them have sugar added into them. And that that goes along with the genetically modified foods, because as you probably are aware, an apple 50 years ago, had about a 10th of the amount of sugar that an Apple has now. And you have to have about 10 apples to get the equivalent nutritive value as an apple 50, you know, in the 50s. So how does somebody, you know, navigate this entire world of what we've done, to our health into our environment and to the way in which we consume.Esther Blum 18:30  And now ignorance really was bliss in this in this a couple ways. Okay. One is try and look at the big picture, because at the end of the day, you know, um, there was a great study mercola published years ago about how like, even if you're eating non organic veggies, you're still getting benefits, okay, and the nutrient content is far less than what our grandparents had, our parents had even we had growing up. But if it runs, flies, swims or grows from the ground, it's still real food. And I see people healing their bodies eating in perfectly, not everything's organic. But if they're eating a lot of fruits and veggies and real food, compared to their starting point, they're going to heal much better.Ari Gronich 19:19  Thank you so much for being here. You know, every episode I like to to leave the audience with doable things so that they can create a new tomorrow today and activate their vision for a better world. So thank you so much for activating your vision. And not just that, but coming out into the public. You know, I like to say, silence is a bully's best friend. So let's get loud. And I appreciate everybody who comes on to the show getting loud and going up against the bullies like big agriculture, big pharmaceutical, big medicine and general And, and saying, Hey, here's here's the truth. We don't know about this science because it's been paid for and bought. But we do know that based on these 1000s of years, and what we can say is if you eat this amount of food, you're going to be healthier and if you get about this amount of walking in and this amount of movement, so I appreciate all of your wisdom. Thank you so much for coming on. I know you're busy. So thank you. And this has been another episode. So thank you so much for listening. And hopefully you have gotten an amazing amount of things that you can do right now, to create your new tomorrow today. We'll see you next time.

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Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:00  I'm Ari Gronich and this is create a new tomorrow podcast.Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I'm your host Ari Gronich and today with me is Esther blum. She is an integrative dietitian and a high performance coach and her goal and she what she's done is helped 1000s of women permanently lose weight and eliminate the need for medication Lose Stubborn Belly Fat and reverse chronic illness. She teaches her clients to cultivate a warrior mindset when it comes to healing their relationship with food and unconditionally loving their bodies. Esther is the best selling author of cave women don't get fat. I like that title. Eat, drink and be gorgeous secrets of gorgeous and the eat, drink and be gorgeous project. She currently maintains a busy virtual practice where she provides 360 degrees of healing with physical, psychological, emotional and spiritual support. Esther has appeared on Dr. Oz the today show and Fox News Live. Welcome to the show. Esther I really appreciate you coming on and taking out time. I know you have a very busy schedule. So thank you so much for being here.Esther Blum 1:25  Thanks sorry for having me.Ari Gronich 1:28  So tell us a little bit about what got you started in the world of dietitian and then what kind of transitioned you from dietitian to integrative dietitian.Esther Blum 1:42  Um well I grew up in a medical family. My grandfather and father were both physicians. My grandfather was actually an ears nose and throat doctor and an incredible surgeon. He was the tonsil, King of Brooklyn, and that he trained my grandmother to be the anesthesiologist and the two of them took my tonsils out in their house in Brooklyn. My grandfather had an operating room, a treatment room, a consultation room and 12 bed pediatric recovery room on the first floor of their house next to their kitchen and dining room. So you know, I grew up just thinking it was very normal for my grandfather to operate on me in his own home and my grandmother to put the ether mask over my face. Um, so I was never even in the hospital really until childbirth.So my father also was a gifted dermatologist who was a wonderful healer and I saw the two of them making house calls. You know, we would go up to my grandfather's farm house in Ridgefield, Connecticut on the weekends and the phone would ring and you know, they answering service would said like, speak to Dr. Blum. And we were like, Well, which one you know and so and they were just kind, compassionate people who did house calls and real country doctors. Even though my grandfather was in Brooklyn, and then my mother was a nurse. And we had lots of pharmacists in our families. So I grew up around medicine, it was comfortable around it was discussed at our dinner table for better or for worse. And I knew that I was interested in it. I always did well in school, but I didn't want to go to medical school and my my grandfather said what are you what are you thinking? I said, I think I want to be a dietitian, because it's all the pre med requirements. Basically, it's a little less physics, but it's all pre med. But none of the, you know, residency. I mean, I had an internship but it wasn't like this intense residency. And my grandfather said, What are you doing? That's like the biggest mistake, you're never going to be a success or make any money. And I was like, Oh, it's on it is so on right now. So I obviously have made money and been a success and said, proved him wrong. And he became my greatest champion, you know, so it was all it was really great. So then I worked in hospitals for the first five years of my career and loved it loved clinical dietetics but there's only so much impact you're going to make on an 85 year old after they've had a heart attack and you have five to 10 minutes to give them diet instruction and absolutely no follow up or continuity or accountability for them at all. So um, I began to you know, I was building a private practice even while I was working at the hospital and I went to a cocktail party at my parents house and one of that one of her friends said what are your nutritionist like? What do you know about vitamins and minerals and I said truthfully, I'm embarrassed to say if two degrees of Clinical Nutrition and I know nothing about vitamins and minerals the the class we took in college or a grad school called vitamins and minerals, the professor basically said, Well, everything you need, you know, you can get from food, like, why am I here? What What is happening? So I said, I'd really love to learn more about supplements, I don't know about them. And she said, Oh, well, my, my strength coach is taking a functional medicine course you should talk to her. So I did. And my grandfather at the time had wanted to give me $2,000 to pay off some of my grad school loans. And the course, of course, was exactly $2,000. Because that's what the universe does, laughs and plays tricks on us. So I said, You know what, I'd really love to parlay this money into more education, he was like, go for it. So took that functional medicine course. And I've never looked back, I left the hospital within the year, and worked for a functional medicine doctor for a couple of years, and then was out of my own full time. So and it's a much better way to serve people. I mean, clinical dietetics is an amazing education. And it's an important one, but it's an incomplete one, and it doesn't address, you know, you learn and look at very specific research studies. But you're only seeing about half the picture, you don't look at supplements, and there are emerging programs on new functional nutrition. I don't want to disparage those at all. But a clinical dietetics track doesn't look at all the research studies on vitamins and minerals and nutrients and how you know, supplements can be an adjunct, it doesn't take into account like a keto diet or hardcore, autoimmune AIP diet or gluten free, you know, and I to this day, I get two different nutrition journals, right, I get journals from Clinical Nutrition side and journals from the functional nutrition side. And it is like, two completely different worlds. It's two completely different parties. And it's it's fascinating to me, what is not addressed, especially when, like, on my bookshelf behind me, I mean, one of my books, nutrition and integrative medicine, you know, it's an 800 page textbook, I read and studied and took an exam on this year, all on functional medicine. Like, how is that not made it into the dietetics curriculum yet? So it's, so what?Ari Gronich 7:15  So why do you think what's what's, what's your reasoning? Having been on both sides of the industry? Why do you think the language is so completely different between the two, and the studies, the research, the science, the everything that we look at, you know, I've, I've been trained in functional medicine and have an immense amount of pain when it comes to seeing how much is missed in translation. And I'll give you a quick example, I had a family member who sent me all his labs. And his doctor was a traditional doctor basically said nothing was wrong with him. And I started going through on a functional lab level. And I kept looking at all these different numbers that were in the normal for the pathological numbers, but completely outside of functional. And as I looked through this, I was going, I basically figured out that this person was in liver failure. Like, with, through the combination of things that were off, it was pretty clear picture. But the doctor said, Oh, you're perfectly fine. And so that's kind of the thing that bog bugs the crap out of me. So why do you think that it's so lost in translation between functional medicine and Western medicine?Esther Blum 8:55  Yeah, I don't have all the answers on where the gap lies. But I will say money is a big piece of it. You know, there's big Ag and Big Pharma. And, you know, for dieticians, the food guide pyramid is sponsored heavily by you know, at the dairy board, the grain board, not so much the meat board, right me gets all this horrible press, even though pastured meat is the most sustainable practice that we have in supporting agriculture and regenerative farming.Unknown Speaker 9:31  So,Esther Blum 9:32  yeah, I think there's a lot more money behind that or there's money behind drug companies saying, you know, oh, you're not you're your mortality rate is much less when you take Lipitor every day or you take a stat and every day and your cholesterol needs to be lower and lower and lower and lower when cholesterol used to be 200 plus your age. We need cholesterol to support libido to make testosterone, estrogen progesterone. be fertile. You know, feel goodAri Gronich 10:03  brain function,Esther Blum 10:05  function healthy hair, skin, nails fight depression, ADHD, gut health, all those things. So, yeah, I think it's money, even though it's silly because there's play money to be made and supplements too. If people are smart, they jump on that bandwagon. But yeah, it's a lot harder to say, you know, eat a serving of blueberries every day for brain health, right? versus like, well, you can just take this drug or you know, so it's, I think you're constantly battling many This is this country puts the health of the pocketbook or the wallet way ahead of the health of the people, profits over people's what I'm trying to say.Ari Gronich 10:44  Right. So I heard a saying recently, and it went something along the lines of you eat vegetables to detoxify, and then you need to heal.Unknown Speaker 10:56  Oh, I love that. Oh, that is brilliant.Ari Gronich 10:59  Yeah, what do you think of that?Unknown Speaker 11:00  I mean, that's brilliant.Esther Blum 11:04  Yes, I mean, but me helps detoxify, too, if you don't have enough protein, it's really hard to get your liver to conjugate, you know, essential amino acids and heal and detox your body. So, but you know, it is interesting, um, I do have, there is a caveat to this. And I do have some clients that when I increase their meat, they gain weight, and they can't process all the fat. So some people actually have to go on the plant based route for about four to six months sometimes to really clean up their liver and do a good detox that's more plant based, and then go back to the Paleo it depends on someone's starting point, if someone is super, super obese, and their cortisol is off the charts, you know, it's we we tried different approaches there at the high meet doesn't always work. It depends. Right? Yes, for a healthy normal, you know, reasonable weight, someone's within their target range, then yeah, I believe that I think you do need a balance of meat and poultry, and fish and vegetables to really detox the body and, and organ meats, and build muscle support bone density,Ari Gronich 12:24  right? You know, when I look at human beings and how we used to eat, then I look at animals and, you know, they talk about vegetables and how you can build muscle with with just eating vegetables and being a vegetarian, but I look at at animals that are on a plant based diet. And they're typically very large. And then I look at animals that are predator animals, and they're typically very small but muscular, and powerful. Yeah, and, you know, so you have slow and large on a plant based diet. But yet, we get told all the time lately, especially about these plant based diets being the healthiest thing we could do, and then now they're coming out with all these plant based meats that are I don't know what you think of them. I'm like aEsther Blum 13:28  chemical shitstorm I mean, I was talking about this with my son, you know, he's he's almost 14, I'm like, stay the hell away from that crap. He's like, Mom, I would never be vegan, I just wouldn't do it. You know, again, it goes back to money. Like it's, um, you know, Bill Gates is taking over a lot of our farmland that is producing GMO based crops that the beyond burgers and the pea proteins, any time there is, you know, that type of plant based versus actual clinical research. It's, there's money behind it, people have money to gain from it. And there's a tremendous amount of clinical research on the importance of protein for longevity for bone density, you know, muscle, Dr. Gabrielle Lyon, she's my doctor and my, my sister, my friend, but she always talks about how, you know, muscle is the organ of longevity and, and there's so much clinical research on, you know, how we actually need to increase the guidelines for the RDI for protein that it's under what it should be and Case in point, you know, if if I do the math and give a healthy individual point, what is it I think it's like, point 6.8 grams per kilogram of protein. They're getting what my renal failure patients used to get in the hospital for the amount of protein They're recommended, what you really should do for those of you who are new to all this is a gram per pound of body weight, or your ideal body weight, if you're overweight, then you would use your ideal or adjusted body way, if you're 250 pounds and you want to weigh 150, you know, you start at your protein, at least 150. And go up 170, there was a great study recently done on navy seals, who were given very low calorie diets under harsh conditions of high physical demand. And 100 grams of protein a day. And that was the baseline minimum that they could get away with eating and still maintain their muscle mass. So you know, I have a lot of clients who actually really struggle to get their protein intake up. And I'm like, just make your baseline threshold 100 grams per day, if you can get to, they usually can't get up to like 150. But I'm like, if you can get to 120. You know, it's still can change your body composition, but I don't want just adequate and that's what the RDI is, it is like, adequate to not waste away. I really want people to have optimal.Ari Gronich 16:11  Gotcha. So I had a dietician Tell me one time as she was drinking a diet soda in my presence. He said something along the lines of I like to eat my calories, not drink them.Unknown Speaker 16:26  Uh huh.Ari Gronich 16:28  What do you think of that statement? And people who think that diet sodas are so much better, or diet foods in general are so much better than natural foods?Esther Blum 16:39  Yeah, well, that's I mean, your body your choice. So you want to put crap that, you know, interferes with proper neurotransmitter function in your brain, knock yourself out. But you know, and yes, you you don't want to get your calories from orange juice or, you know, necessarily sodas or anything like that. But sometimes drinking calories can actually be nutritious. If I can get someone to get a protein shake, where they're getting 50 grams of protein. Instead of eating two eggs where they're getting 14 grams of protein, I am going to say drink your drink your calories and put some fiber in there, put some flaxseed and put a low glycemic fruit and some veggies if you want and drink it all at once. Don't like sip it over hours of the day where you're messing with your blood sugar so much. So it's really time in place. I mean, hypocrisy abounds, and diet and Dietetics professions. I remember going to so many nutrition conferences, and there were so many obese dietitians. And then I would go to the functional medicine conferences and where you know, the wacky, wacky people and like everyone was pretty fit. Tell me, I don't know. And you go to the strength coach conferences when Charles poliquin was alive. I've did many of his conferences and talking guys, six to 12% body fat so and they were eating By the way, one to 1.5 to two grams of protein per pound of body weight. So and they were like the leanest humans on the planet.Ari Gronich 18:22  So let's talk a little bit about lentils and lectins and night shades and inflammatory foods. Yeah, and, you know, even like tomatoes, I had a, I had a client one time, paid me for a six month package. And after going through everything at the very beginning and doing all the testing and all that stuff. We were putting her on an elimination plan. And she was Italian. And she said, keep your money. I can't not eat tomatoes. And I said it's only three weeks, and she wouldn't she couldn't not eat the tomato. But, you know, let's talk a little bit about that kind of unpack this because everybody's getting their information from Dr. Google right now. And and I'm not sure Dr. Google has all of the correct information, you know, readily available in a way that search.Esther Blum 19:25  Yeah, well, when it comes to elimination diets, you know, it's it's tricky, right? Because if somebody has a lot of people who cheat for example, have h pylori or like real active h pylori, or were they having symptoms, or they have parasites or they have leaky gut or cebo. So under those circumstances, right, you're you with an inflamed gut wall and you're adding gasoline to the fire when you put those inflammatory foods into your system. Right. Foods that you're sensitive to. And often the foods that you're the most sensitive to are the ones that you're eating every day already anyway. So you can do food allergy testing during those times, but it's going to show up, you know, you're going to show up with 2030, even 40 allergies, that's how you really know you have a leaky gut. By the way, the more allergies you have tells us a lot about your gut. But that being said, um, you know, some people, so I like to do elimination diets by trial, you know, there's no one set thing and yes, if someone's more autoimmune, and I have an autoimmune protocol, then yeah, I take them off nightshades and lectins. But at the same time, I have plenty of people I treat, who have absolutely no problem eating those foods at all. And so I really only try and take away what has to be taken away and what people can stick to because, you know, I just don't find people are going to adhere to things long term. They really if they're too, too, too restrictive. The people who do I, the ones who get really sick from eating those foods and have immediate reactions, like severe, I have a client sasmar and she's like, been eating my inflammatory foods. I couldn't even get out my minivan. Like, I couldn't put weight on my right foot. I was like, well, then don't eat that stuff. But other people, you know, can eat it and or they take the lectins way and don't really notice much difference. So I kind of it's a combination of testing, right? I certainly do gi gotten stool testing, but I will also just say How are you feeling as your energy, your craving, your bloating, your stool habits? You know, how's your thyroid function? What are your blood works looking like? So? I don't know if that's the exact answer you're looking for it. The food allergy piece is really tricky.Ari Gronich 21:50  Yeah, just unpacking I think, for people. What, you know, they hear all these fad diets and fad things and not know how to navigate. Yeah, yes. And so they end up you know, you'll end up Okay, we're on the keto this week and intermittent fasting that week and paleo the other week, and we just keep switching because we're not getting the answer we want. And, and, you know, with with my patients always said, well, in functional medicine, we test Yeah, so that we're not, you know, throwing darts at a dartboard. But, but people don't really understand what all of these things are. They just look I mean, I still don't know if anybody knows if milk is good for you or bad for you. You know what I mean? Like, you have both sides of the equation. So I wanted toEsther Blum 22:47  Yeah, well, and so much of your your food can be it. There's so many factors, right? Okay, fine, you can find out what your genetics are, you know, you see people in certain Nordic cultures eating attended dairy and are very lean and healthy. But were the cows given hormones were the cows fed GMO grains? Are they exposed to a lot less pesticides and GMOs in our food that are creating the leaky gut? You know, I think if we had if we all have better gut integrity, we tolerate a lot more foods to your point, like is milk good or bad for you? To me? It's it's what you're eating. It's what you're absorbing. That is far more important to me than worrying about the semantics, right? In theory, you know, dairies got it's got sugar, but it also has a lot of protein. I mean, cottage cheese, to me is a is a power food for a lot of people. So if my people tolerate it and say, Yeah, I tell her dairy fine, and they're not having gut issues and like, go for it. You know, it's it's a lot more fun and easier to work with someone who has that much flexibility in their diets for sure. But yeah, once you start introducing external toxins, or parasites or stress or trauma, and that changes the integrity of the gut wall, and the microbiome, then yeah, then all of a sudden, you've got to start saying, Alright, let me just pull some things out my diet, let me simplify it. Let me stick to real food, we manage my stress, let me pull up gut healing nutrients in there and see if I can kind of return to you know, I can tell you personally for me, I mean, you know, my 20s up through my 20s I ate like gluten and dairy. And, you know, once I cut it out, I was like, it's really hard for me to go back. My gut doesn't want it at all, at all.Ari Gronich 24:38  Yeah, that's one of the interesting things. I find that when you eliminate something like I don't eat sugar things and I don't drink juices and stuff like that. And every now and then if I even go for a sip of orange juice or apple juice or something like that, I need to dilute it by like 10 to one. Oh, yeah, with water, I mean, like literally this much juice to the rest of the glasses, water, because otherwise, it's just too sweet. And it's ridiculously too sweet. And so, you know, here's a figure, and I don't remember the exact figure, but I think it was somewhere around one gram of sugar, or one and a half grams of sugar in your bloodstream naturally is about the 90, you know, that the 75 to 95, or whatever blood sugar ratio. And so the amount of sugar that we're eating in our diet, I mean, if you could imagine, a gram and a half is what your blood sugar should be, how many grams? Do you put into one cup of coffee? And then how many cups of coffee? And then how many, right? things that you're eating, that you wouldn't necessarily think have sugar in them have sugar added into them. And that that goes along with the genetically modified foods, because as you probably are aware, an apple 50 years ago, had about a 10th of the amount of sugar that an Apple has now. And you have to have about 10 apples to get the equivalent nutritive value as an apple, you know, in the 50s. So how does somebody, you know, navigate this entire world of what we've done, to our health into our environment and to the way in which we consume?Esther Blum 26:48  I know ignorance really was bliss in this in this a couple ways. Okay. One is try and look at the big picture, because at the end of the day, you know, there was a great study mercola published years ago about how like, even if you're eating non organic veggies, you're still getting benefits, okay, and the nutrient content is far less than what our grandparents had, our parents had even we had growing up, but if it runs, flies, swims or grows from the ground, it's still real food, and I see people healing their bodies eating in perfectly, not everything's organic, but if they're eating a lot of fruits and veggies and real food, compared to their starting point, they're gonna heal much better. Okay, that's number one. Number two, a really cool thing to do to see how food affects you is to wear a continuous glucose monitor for two weeks. That is a great way to really understand, right? How is that juice affecting me, um, I did it recently, a month or two ago, I wore one just because I was you know, my clients wear them. I'm like, go get one look like, especially for my diabet clients, but my non diabetic clients, like, you really want to figure this out and you're and you're trying to lean out and what you're doing isn't working. Let's throw in a glucose monitor. And my postprandial range was like 110. I started out in like the low 90s and got to like 110. And that's like me eating protein, some carbs, veggies, right. But I had an afternoon and I was like, Alright, well, that's so unexciting. If anything, my sugar was too low at night. So I started one afternoon I had to clementines on an empty stomach, my sugar shot up to 150. And I was like, I'm metabolically healthy. My BMI is good. So what hope is there for people eating like donuts? It's so does and all those things. But people can't argue with the numbers, right? Like your Italian clients that I can't give up tomatoes, like people rationalize and bargain and play games, right? Like, well, I just want my daughter chocolate every day. And I believe me, I do that too. I still want a little chocolate every day or the option to have it right. Because it's such a tiny amount, right? So that's how I justify it and that really didn't affect my blood sugar but the two oranges on an empty stomach sure as hell did. So you really have to you can argue with the numbers right? And now I'm like, Well, if I have fruit I always have it with I mean, I did this before to typically have it with a protein and or a fat app. It was some nuts have some turkey or you know peanut butter, whatever. So I think those two things I was focusing on the big picture because you can get really afraid of food and and paralyzed like well, doesn't matter. Anyway, I'm going to hell for eating, you know, not non organic strawberries. So I may as well have the bag of Lay's potato chips, sour cream, and you still say I'm still doing good, I'm still gonna get results. Great. That's a B if you want to tighten things up, like slap on a glucose monitor for two weeks and see see what your numbers are, then you'll kind of know, Oh, dang, I have to really tighten things up.Ari Gronich 30:12  So I'm gonna go a little bit different location with the rest of the conversation. Because there are people like Gaya like me who have underlying conditions. So in my case, brain tumor that is a pituitary tumor, it's hormone secreting, and it messes every working functioning hormone in my body. So, so with food, I have to be so extremely careful to not have estrogen making foods and things that will cause my body to swell and bloat and go into hormone, you know, hormonal conditions more. So, eating for hormonal health is something that I know you teach. And I wanted to get into that a little bit because there are so many people right now suffering from hormonal and autoimmune disorders because of what they're eating, and they don't even and nobody, you know, nobody's telling them what it is that's going on. all they're doing is giving them pills. So,Esther Blum 31:24  right. And are you aromatizing your testosterone to estrogen?Ari Gronich 31:29  Yep. My estrogen. So when I when I was a kid, I had I started getting hot flashes and migraines when I was seven. I had had to be injected into puberty when I was 12. And I had breast reduction surgery when I was 14. Because I was my estrogen was I think it was triple at the time a man a man's, you know, numbers and so yeah, so the the testosterone was like, even with injections and, and bio identical it's never gone above like 300 or 350 which is way too low. But I also produce no human growth hormone and my cortisol levels and C reactive proteins are out of whack.Unknown Speaker 32:17  SoAri Gronich 32:18  But again, it's not about me I'm just using as an example Yeah, sure. Sure. No hormonal health is is very important in my world And so yeah,Unknown Speaker 32:29  yeah.Esther Blum 32:31  So so is your question how to how to balance or if your man how to clear out excessAri Gronich 32:36  estrogens or man or woman how to clear out excess estrogens because women are suffering from the same kind of things. I mean, puberty at I think I heard the earliest one now is four years old for a girl was going through that physical and five. It's not that it is because they're being estrogen ated with all of all of the plastics and sois and stuff.Unknown Speaker 33:03  Yeah. Okay,Ari Gronich 33:04  so people are suffering from these hormonal options.Esther Blum 33:08  Well on fertility issues too, for sure. Okay, so let's talk about lifestyle management first, right, which is your home cleaning up your home because like you mentioned it like a lot of chemicals are mimicking the effect of estrogen and really disrupting our own biochemistry so simple things okay, like having a metal reusable water balls just better for the earth or drinking out of glass glasses not not plastic. Um, years ago I went to like homegoods and Walmart and you know, Amazon and I cleaned out all my plastic Tupperware 's and switch them out with glass top wires and glass top wires are great because they go from the freezer to the refrigerator to the oven to the dishwasher. Assuming you have a dishwasher, so those are great because plastics can leach into the food. So it's better to put things in glass which are inner chemically or metal containers as well. Um, and you know, like kids have like plastic lunchboxes, but you can get metal containers or like metal bento boxes style for kids. Okay, and then like your shampoos, your lotions, your makeup, shaving cream, you know, you deodorants you can get natural forms of those and they can be a little more expensive but it's to me it's so worth it. It's a cheap hospital bill. So do what you can afford and you know, I buy my husband and send their skincare products and stuff. You know Whole Foods has a really good line. or excuse me really good amounts. Now in terms of diet. You want to make sure that you are eating a lot of fiber flax seeds in particular are grab flax seeds are great for men and binding estrogen and pulling them out. pooping is a form of estrogen detox. So you want to make sure that you're pooping everyday if you're constipated. Yeah, eat, eat a lot of veggies, but also drink a lot of water. And you can take some magnesium, that will, you know, as a simple over the counter product called natural calm can give it to kids, it's powder, stir it and water, drink it down. So pooping every day is really important. flax seeds, broccoli, and cruciferous vegetables are also really important for helping support detox pathways in the liver, for getting the estrogen out. Now, in terms of whether or not like, I use a lot of supplements, also in creams, topical creams to help bind estrogen. But in order to do this, I test people with the Dutch test. This is a dried urine test for comprehensive hormones, because one person might need to get dim, which is standard methane, it's not support to estrogen detox, and another person might need, you know, topical test annex or calcium D glue. Great. So I really have to understand how much estrogen you're making, how it detoxifies, and moves through your body and if it's going down the right pathway. And if it's not, then you know, we have to it's complicated, right? You have to support your methylation patterns and all that but certainly, you know, again, getting a diet if you want to simplify this and say, oh, that already feels overwhelming, scary and weird. And you're not sure about testing a you would work with a good practitioner if you think you're estrogen dominant, but be you know, packaging your food in glass. Or if you get meats that are wrapped in plastic, when you come home, wash them, rinse them and dry them with paper towels before you start immediately cooking with them. Get plenty of green vegetables, do not do soy, soy suppresses thyroid function and can suppress testosterone production, even though it's temporary. Once you stop eating, it goes to normal. But those effects can be cumulative and can make girls developed breasts and pubic hair even at a very young age. So you want to be super careful with soy and the volume and amounts of soy milk or you know soy cheese or any of that. But other than that real foods, sweet potatoes you can do lots and lots of veggies, protein, chicken, poultry, fish, none of those are estrogenic and all this can help you support good liver function.Ari Gronich 37:59  So the only question I have is that non estrogenic for the meats, is that true if they are pastured you know, grain fed hormone and antibiotic given meats because or, you know, even farmed salmons, and things like that, that I mean, all of those from all the research I've looked at, tend to cause hormone disruption and neurological disruption. So,Esther Blum 38:32  you know, it's so crazy to me, I have seen studies that say there's really no difference between pastured and conventionally raised meats on that. So I'm, there's a good book called sacred cow. It's written by Rob Wolf and Diana Rodgers. And even they say like, nutritionally, there's not necessarily a difference, it's just better for the planet. So I can't make a claim one way or the other I simple sides of the research, I don't know, okay,Ari Gronich 39:03  because all the research that I do, the fat is completely different omega is, you know, so one is a very inflammatory, creating fat, and the other is not so though, if a cow say is raised and is grass fed, and free range, kind of fat is very much more omega three versus omega six. And, therefore, that inflammatory response causes of hormonal response. That's at least the studies that I've that I've seen, so I just kind of want I want to get people yes, it's better to have something than nothing at all. Yeah, but at the same time, it's better to spend a little bit more, eat a little bit less like you didn't eat massive amounts of meat, three meals a day, growing up, you know, in the case Right, it was as it was, once in a while when we got, you know, the when we hunted, that we got him. So I would just say, eat less, but eat better quality of it, and you'll find that you're actually more satisfied anyway. And so, cracked,Unknown Speaker 40:20  cracked.Ari Gronich 40:21  If you're scared about money, you find that if you're not eating in the middle of the store, like all the processed foods, food goes a lot further a lot, you know, more economical, even when you're eating healthier organic foods.Esther Blum 40:40  Yes, correct. Correct. And you know, when you find foods in season two, they're a lot less expensive, too. So the price does go down. But to your point, yes. I mean, I wrote a Paleo Diet book for women called cave, women don't getUnknown Speaker 40:53  fat. AndEsther Blum 40:56  I have all those studies in there published and I write all about the grass fed meat. So I was surprised when more recent research came out and said, it's actually not that different. So I was like, What? How is this possible? Okay, it blew my mind.Ari Gronich 41:09  Yeah, I wonder. Yeah, I wonder how much of thisUnknown Speaker 41:13  is cooking it?Esther Blum 41:14  I mean, grass fed me is much more difficult for me to cook because it is it's so lean, and it's tougher. And, you know, it's hard to find the same cuts of meat that I get from a conventional butcher. So it is a little trickier. But yeah, we kind of do a hybrid, we do both, depending on where because the grass fed butcher is nowhere near us to hike to get to. So we can do a mix of both. I'll be perfectly transparent. Say I'm not perfect with my eating either. But I look at the big picture. I'm like, Okay,Unknown Speaker 41:48  yeah, you know, me the enemy of done.Ari Gronich 41:52  None of us are perfect with our eating. You know, sourdough bread is still one of my, my, my curses along with with sushi, is it's one of the things that I love, and I don't care about the mercury, because I'll eat it once. And I'll, you know, enjoy every little bit of it. And then I just won't eat it for a while.Unknown Speaker 42:15  Yeah. Yeah.Esther Blum 42:19  balance, you have to live, you know, and I cringe at that word, because to me, it's like on par with moderation, which every dietitian is like, taught moderation till the cows come home. But, but there is balance and you know, pleasure is a nutrient to, and,Unknown Speaker 42:36  you know, I stillEsther Blum 42:37  have a cocktail every now and then I still have, you know, things I enjoy. And don't don't stress about too much, because I'll raise your cortisol more than anything else.Ari Gronich 42:48  And it's true. Yet the stress that we put on ourselves with eating disorders, and trying to fit into an image that we think somebody should, you know, has of what we think they should have of us. You know, it's like, most of the time, people aren't noticing anywhere near the same things that you think that they're noticing about you.Esther Blum 43:16  I always say, you know, nobody's noticing the size of your thighs, they're too busy worrying about the size of their own thighs. SoAri Gronich 43:24  absolutely. So tell us just, you know, to kind of close up what are a few of the things that people can do immediately to shift and change their own health in a way that that's powerful, but simple and easy.Esther Blum 43:43  Yeah, so I'm picking up investing in a couple of sets of dumbbells is really important right now.Unknown Speaker 43:50  Um,Esther Blum 43:52  you think I would say food would be the first thing out of my mouth. But you know, this pandemic has taken its toll obesity is a whole nother level of a pandemic right now and people may not be going to gyms for a while longer origins may not be open I God willing they are but you know, don't sit and wait for the perfect conditions to arise to invest in a little bit of home workout equipment. So you have you could start with your own bodyweight, a furniture sliders, that is a couple bucks and can make lunges and squats really dynamic and challenging.Unknown Speaker 44:32  But youEsther Blum 44:33  want to make sure that you are doing some kind of strength training because you don't want to lose, you know, be so sedentary this year that everything's going to pot you want to make sure you're maintaining you know, so a kettlebell set of weights, trs, make sure that you're investing in some kind of strength equipment and you can get free videos on YouTube for strength workouts, even using your own bodyweight to start Okay, so Don't build excuses for why you're not going to the gym right now find ways to make it work for you at home. And you don't need a lot of space. You don't need a lot of equipment, but you need some you need some resistance training, it's really important. So number two is sleep. Sleep reigns Queen when it comes to being your metabolic mistress or metabolic master. So sleep is really, really important. If you're not sleeping, it's really hard to heal your body and fix your adrenals and fix your cortisol and stay insulin sensitive. So make sure that your sleep hygiene is good. It's one of the hardest things I think sleep habits are harder for my clients to change than giving up booze or coffee. And my clients who are going to bed past 1231 132 are struggling with their weight loss, they're struggling to see results far more than people who front load their sleep and get to bed closer to 10. That's when you're producing the most those are the golden hours tend to when you're producing the most growth hormone, repairing your blood glucose mechanisms in your receptors. So make sure you're getting sleep. And three, of course, I'm going to say protein ra because we need more protein as we age, not less. So make sure you're getting you know 3040 grams a meal, this will sustain your blood sugar for up to six hours, it will promote mental cognitive health, it will boost neurotransmitter function, it will prevent the 3pm crash, it will prevent cravings and make you a nicer person. And if you are listening to this and you're a menstruating female, the second half of your cycle, you're even more insulin resistant and less insulin sensitive. So make sure you double up your protein that second half and it will offset your cravings, your bloat your weight gain all those things.Ari Gronich 47:02  And I'll just add to add iron iron to that mix cuz you don't want to ever get to a place of anemia.Unknown Speaker 47:10  That's correct. That's correct.Ari Gronich 47:14  So awesome. So how can people get ahold of you?Esther Blum 47:17  So you can go to my website, Esther blum.com and for the first seven callers, I or people who respond to this by me going old school here, you can get a free 30 minute consultation with me. This is a laser focused coaching call for people who are serious about moving the needle with their health. So you go to Esther blum.com forward slash call that cll. And you can get in my appointment book and you and I will talk and you will leave with three strategic customized tools to help you move the needle, whether it's you want weight loss, you want to sleep better, you want to balance your hormones,Unknown Speaker 48:01  we willEsther Blum 48:02  have you leave with a written instruction list ofUnknown Speaker 48:05  what you need.Ari Gronich 48:07  Nice. Thank you so much for being here. You know, every episode I like to to leave the audience with doable things so that they can create a new tomorrow today and activate their vision for a better world. So thank you so much for activating your vision. And not just that, but coming out into the public. You know, I like to say silence is a bully's best friend. So let's get loud. And I appreciate everybody who comes onto the show getting loud. And going up against the bullies like big agriculture, big pharmaceutical, big medicine, and general and, and saying, Hey, here's, here's the truth. We don't know about this science, because it's been paid for and bought. But we do know that based on these 1000s of years, and what we can say is if you eat this amount of food, you're going to be healthier, and if you get about this amount of walking in and this amount of movement, so I appreciate all of your wisdom. Thank you so much for coming on. I know you're busy. So thank you. And this has been another episode. So thank you so much for listening. And hopefully you have gotten an amazing amount of things that you can do right now to create your new tomorrow today. We'll see you next time. Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. If you'd like to take this information further and are interested in joining a community of like minded people who are all passionate about activating their vision for a better world. Go to the website, create a new tomorrow.com and find out how you can be part of making a bigger difference. I have a gift for you just for checking it out and look forward to seeing you take the leap And joining our private paid mastermind community. Until then, see you on the next episode.

Hi, I am here with Daniel bruce Levin. He ​walked away from a huge opportunity (to work his way up from pushing a broom to running a billion dollar business), to hitchhike around the world to find happiness and inner peace. His life has been dedicated to finding the peace and contentment that comes from truly knowing yourself. His mission has become holding the space for others to find that peace too.Ari Gronich 0:07  Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am Ari Gronich your host and I have with me, Daniel Bruce Levin, this is a man I'm gonna let him tell you about himself. But he basically turned away walked away from a billion running a billion dollar company. And in exchange for that, decided to hitchhike around the world, find inner peace and happiness. Live is a monk in a monastery, I mean, this guy or being a rabbi, you know, he's got the beard. So, you know, he's got that that Rabbi ask, you know, frame around him, if you if I was able to show you on my wall here I've got I've got a great Rabbi got the same beard, you know? So anyway, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself and how, how you became this sought after person who could choose to walk away from running a billion dollar opportunity.Daniel Bruce Levin 1:16  I've lived a really interesting life. I think a little different than most people, although everybody's life is different. So I don't mean to make mine better or worse. It isn't a compare. It isn't a comparison. It's just I've lived a different life. And I think the most compelling thing that brought me my why was losing my parents two years apart on the same day. My dad died when I was 13. And he was my hero. I looked up to him, and I couldn't understand why my hero would be taken from me for no apparent reason. My mum died two years later on exactly the same day at exactly the same time. And so I was a naive little kid very protected in a very protected neighborhood in Philadelphia. I remember when john F. Kennedy was running for president, he came down one of the side streets that we did by the house where we lived in a parade, you know, sort of just she's just getting votes, I guess. And the big talk was that he was the first Catholic ever running for president. And I remember walking back to my mom and saying, Mom, I can't believe it. So all the presidents have been Jewish there. Since they've Adam. That's how sheltered and protected I was. And she said, No, Danny, that's not there hasn't ever been a Jewish president. But I was a naive kid in a sheltered environment. And my parents just loved and adored me in a way that I've never, I always wanted to be loved and adored. And when they were gone, I wondered, why would that taken? Not only why, where did they go? But why was that taken from me? Where was I ever going to find that love again. And it was only in writing the book that's over my left shoulder. For anybody who's watching this one video that I realized what happened is, when my parents passed away, I asked the adults who were the wisest people that I knew where my parents go. And they told me, they went to a place called heaven. So as a kid, I set out on a search for heaven.Ari Gronich 3:23  We talked about this in our pre interview. And, you know, my first response is, I wish that could have happened to me, right?Unknown Speaker 3:32  Yes,Ari Gronich 3:33  I wish that somebody back then at that level, would have said to me, I see something in you. And I want to take you under my wing, and I want to mentor you into becoming the best and the greatest that you can be. Yeah, however, you had a different outcome. So we'll just get into that. But I just wanted to interject my my own thought of No, but, you know, that was like, Holy moly. What, what? What would have stopped me from doing that?Daniel Bruce Levin 4:13  Yes. And you are like, probably 99.9% of the people in the world, which my uncle pointed out to me when I said to him, I would like you watch me for a month and a half. And you're, you're brilliant man. Look what you've created. You've created this international conglomerate of business that in your household name. I'm just a kid. I can't make a decision like that. Right now. I would like to watch you for one year to see if what you're offering me is what I want. Of course, it sounds beautiful. From a financial point of view, who doesn't want to be a bit or doesn't want to run a billion dollar corporation and have more money then God. But I want to see if if what it brings with it is something that I can live with.Ari Gronich 5:08  Right, but and so, so So before you go on. So how did you get to that place? At? How old were you at the time? 17 1515 Okay, so you're a 15 year old kid that's been sheltered. just lost his mom and dad. And yet you're telling your uncle who's a billionaire. You know, I want to watch you and see if who you are is who I want to be. Yeah, I mean, that takes some Kahunas as well as, amid some stupidity. A level will stupid. Yeah, but a level of maturity. Yes. Same time. That is crazy. So how did you, you know, like backstep? yourself? Yep. Analyze who you are before this. Right. Yeah. How did you become a person? What was the what were the things that made that be something that you would say?Daniel Bruce Levin 6:15  Yeah, beautiful question. Remember, what I discovered through the Mosaic, and what I discovered, after only five or six years ago, five years ago, writing the Mosaic, I didn't know the answers to that question then. But in looking back, in retrospect, I realized that I was looking for that place called heaven. And for a lot of people that have been would have been having a billion dollar company here, because having money is what people think will buy them happiness. But what I ended up seeing was the happiness that I was looking for wasn't a result of that money. There were people that had that money that were happy, there were people that had that money that were miserable. And one of the things that kept me from doing it, because I said, I'd like a year to see how who you are. A year to the day, he took me out to lunch again. And in the end, he said, I'd like an answer to my question. And I said, you have to be in the permanent, you know, punk that I was. I said, you got to ask a question before I can give you an answer. He said, Oh, so you forgot what you promised me a year ago? I said, No, I didn't forget. I just forgot that today was one year. And I'll never forget that again. I see how exactly you'reAri Gronich 7:33  What year is this?Daniel Bruce Levin 7:34  This was I was born in 55. So it was 1971. Okay, so you're 1970? Actually,Ari Gronich 7:43  you're 16. This is the beginning of the 70s. We've got the hippie movement. Right. And crossing over to the disco world, right. This is what's happening in the world. We've got gas shortages, we've got Nixon we've got right, this is what's happening in the world. And you're telling your billionaire Uncle, I am looking to be happy within myself. Yeah, again, I'm just I'm repeating this because I think it's important that people realize the mindset that comes along with whatever success you're you're partaking in, and how important it is to feel honoring within yourself. And, you know, I like you watch a lot of the people who appear to be in power. And because I've had the opportunity to be hands on, so to speak with them. I know whether they're happy or not I know whether they're fulfilled or not. And I know, kind of the the pieces of where they're fulfilled and where they're not. But I'm also an adult, at this point who's had a lot of years of experience, right? So you're 16 you're in the 70s. It's the beginning of this movement of turning over for the Age of Aquarius, right? So everybody's preparing. And you're telling your uncle that you'd rather be happy than be a billionaire?Daniel Bruce Levin 9:27  Yeah. Well, it wasn't that I'd rather be happy than be a billionaire. But I wanted the ability to be myself. And I honestly when I look at the world around me today, one of the things that I see is that there are a lot of people that have a lot of money. But there are not a lot of people that know themselves very well. It doesn't mean that people that have money don't know themselves or people that are poor don't know themselves. I don't find anybody. I don't find many people in any of Those stratas fears that actually know who they are and feel comfortable in their own self. And when you find somebody like that, that person can be Richard before, can be ugly, can be fat can be can be old can be young. But when that person walks into a room with a with the presence of knowing themselves, and feeling that presence, people are drawn to it like bees to honey. And, and that was what I was looking for I was looking for that unconditional love that my parents gave me, I wanted to be that I wanted to feel that and as, as much as that business would have given me so much joy, so much ability to have to have things that nobody in this world could have. I didn't see the possibility for me at that point for it to give me the ability to have what I wanted.Ari Gronich 10:54  So I just I keep going back to that you're 18 years old, your age at the time and the level of maturity. But also, where did you learn the value of questions? Because obviously, obviously, you had them at an earlier age, and I would imagine that you had them before your parents passed. But where did you learn that value of curiosity, the value of of questioning and being curious?Daniel Bruce Levin 11:35  Well, I mean, even when john kennedy went down the street, outside our, by the border, our neighborhood, I said, Does that mean all the other presidents were Jewish? You know, I mean, a questions like I was always I tested it in, in preschool in preschool and elementary school, with an IQ of a genius. And I never really said much about it or cared much about it. But I think the genius mind is a mind that's inquisitive. I think, you know, part of the curse of having a genius mind, is it's so easy to think that I know something that I don't know. And, and somewhere along the line, I realize the curse of the genius mind is the arrogance that comes with it, of knowing things that other people don't know. And I realized that I can ask questions to find out what people do know, rather than assume that I know what they they know. Oftentimes, what they told me was exactly what I thought. But sometimes it wasn't. And I I always, even to this day, about 1015 years ago, a company by the name of Vistage, they train CEOs, they hire people to train CEOs, how to better their business. And they recruited me at one point in time to see if I could be one of their people. And I ended up not going with them. But they have a slogan and a saying that goes along with their company that I wish to God I had come up with, but I didn't. So I give credit to them for it because it's exactly what I do. They said when people come to us, they think that we're going to answer their questions. But in truth, what we do is we question their answers. I thought that was brilliant. And it's really the practice that I do. I question. All through my life, I've been a disrupter. Even as a kid, I questioned the answers that people gave me because I didn't see the same way they saw. I always saw things differently. And in seeing things differently, what they thought was just cut and dry, easy answer. When I questioned them, I realized they didn't really know the answers to the questions of their answers. They just said their answers because they were the answers.Ari Gronich 13:55  Yeah, you know, it's funny. On that note, I'm gonna you know, and the call but my men's weekend with Justin Sterling. He used to say, it's not what we're saying. That means anything during this weekend, this was at the beginning his opening monologue. It's how we are when we're together. Yeah, that makes all the difference in the world. And I've always remembered that as a good place to start. Yeah, you know, it's not so much the words. It's not so much the ideas, the concepts, the thoughts. Those are all subjective. It's how we are when we're together and how we make each other feel. And so you have an livened. I've enjoyed your presence here. accompany your words of wisdom, and all the ticks, you know, tips, tricks, techniques and things that will help my audience, create a new tomorrow today and activate their vision for a better world. So, thank you so much, Danny. I really appreciate you. And we're going to end this call. But remember to like, subscribe, comment, review, do all those things that allow us to communicate with you so that we can have conversations that matter. And I look forward to engaging in in conversations about this conversation. So thank you so much, and we'll see you next time.Unknown Speaker 15:48  Thanks for having me.

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Hi, I am here with Daniel bruce Levin. He ​walked away from a huge opportunity (to work his way up from pushing a broom to running a billion dollar business), to hitchhike around the world to find happiness and inner peace. His life has been dedicated to finding the peace and contentment that comes from truly knowing yourself. His mission has become holding the space for others to find that peace too.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY DANIEL FOR MORE INFO.http://danielbrucelevin.com/JOIN NOW!! 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And this is create a new tomorrow podcast.Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am Ari Gronich your host, and I have with me Daniel Bruce Levin, this is a man I'm gonna let him tell you about himself. But he basically turned away walked away from a billion running a billion dollar company. And in exchange for that, decided to hitchhike around the world, find inner peace and happiness. Live is a monk in a monastery, I mean, this guy or being a rabbi, you know, he's got the beard. So, you know, he's got that that Rabbi ask, you know, frame around him, if you if I was able to show you on my wall here I've got I've got a great Rabbi got the same beard, you know? So anyway, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself and how, how you became this sought after person who could choose to walk away from running a billion dollar opportunity.Daniel Bruce Levin 1:26  I've lived a really interesting life. I think a little different than most people, although everybody's life is different. So I don't mean to make mine better or worse. It isn't a compare. It isn't a comparison. It's just I've lived a different life. And I think the most compelling thing that brought me my why was losing my parents two years apart on the same day. My dad died when I was 13. And he was my hero. I looked up to him, and I couldn't understand why my hero would be taken from me for no apparent reason. My mom died two years later on exactly the same day at exactly the same time. And so I was a naive little kid very protected in a very protected neighborhood in Philadelphia. I remember when john F. Kennedy was running for president, he came down one of the side streets that we did by the house where we lived in a parade, you know, sort of just she's just getting votes, I guess. And the big talk was that he was the first Catholic ever running for president. And I remember walking back to my mom and saying, Mom, I can't believe it. So all the presidents have been Jewish there, since they've had them. That's how sheltered and protected I was. And she said, No, Danny, that's not there hasn't ever been a Jewish president. But I was a naive kid in a sheltered environment. And my parents just loved and adored me in a way that I've never, I always wanted to be loved and adored. And when they were going to wondered, why was that taken? Not only why, where did they go, but why was that taken from me? Where was I ever going to find that love again. And it was only in writing the book that's over my left shoulder. For anybody who's watching this one video that I realized what happened is, when my parents passed away, I asked the adults who were the wisest people that I knew Where'd my parents go.And they told me, they went to a place called heaven. So as a kid, I set out on a search for heaven.I didn't know where it was, I didn't know if it was if it was a story that I could go to on the main square in the main square. You know, I didn't know what it was. So I just set out in search of that place. And I was given all these opportunities when my parents passed away. My uncle was a household name around the world. And in those days, this was 50 some years ago. In those days, men didn't give their businesses to their daughters, even though their daughters were smarter, and probably way more capable than AI. They just didn't give them to them to them. And when he saw me come into the family, he didn't have any sons. He said to me, I'm going to watch you for a little while. And if I see something in you that I think I'm going to see, I'm going to change your life with an offer I'm going to make to you. And about a month and a half later, he said to me, he took me out to lunch. And he said, Danny, today's a day your life is going to change. And I said really what's going to happen? He said, I've been watching you and you have a peculiar trait about you that will either make you incredibly successful or make you a complete failure. I hope that I can mentor you towards success. What I'd like to do is start you tomorrow, pushing a broom in my office. And I want you to rise to the level that you can naturally rise to and I will be mentoring you in the hallway along the way so you will not fall And when you get to the place where you no longer have the skill and ability to get farther, I will mentor you pass that fifth place, because I believe I see in you somebody that can in 15 years time take over my business. That was a multi billion dollar businessAri Gronich 5:15  yet, you know, we talked about this in our pre interview. And, you know, my first response is, I wish that could have happened to me, right?Unknown Speaker 5:26  Yes,Ari Gronich 5:27  I wish that somebody back then at that level, would have said to me, I see something in you. And I want to take you under my wing, and I want to mentor you into becoming the best and the greatest that you can be. Yeah, however, you had a different outcome. So we'll just get into that. But I just wanted to interject my, my own thought of No, but, you know, that was like, Holy moly. What, what? What would have stopped me from doing that?Daniel Bruce Levin 6:06  Yes. I, you are, like probably 99.9% of the people in the world, which my uncle pointed out to me when I said to him, I would like you watch me for a month and a half. And you're, you're brilliant, man. Look what you've created, you've created this international conglomerate of business that in your household name. I'm just a kid. I can't make a decision like that. Right now. I would like to watch you for one year to see if what you're offering me is what I want. Of course, it sounds beautiful. From a financial point of view, who doesn't want to be a bit or doesn't want to run a billion dollar corporation and have more money than God? But I want to see if if what it brings with it is something that I can live with.Ari Gronich 7:02  Right. But and so Okay, so So before you go on. So how did you get to that place? At? How old were you at the time? 17, 15 ,15. Okay, so you're a 15 year old kid that's been sheltered, just lost his mom and dad. And yet, you're telling your uncle who's a billionaire. You know, I want to watch you and see if who you are is who I want to be. Yeah, I mean, that takes some Kahunas as well as, amid some stupidity. A level will stupid. Yeah, but a level of maturity. Yes. Same time. That is crazy. So how did you, you know, like backstep yourself? Yep. Analyze who you are before this? Right. Yeah. How did you become a person? What was the what were the things that made that be something that you would say?Daniel Bruce Levin 8:09  Yeah, beautiful question. Remember, what I discovered through the Mosaic, and what I discovered, after only five or six years ago, five years ago, writing the Mosaic, I didn't know the answers to that question then. But in looking back, in retrospect, I realized that I was looking for that place called heaven. And for a lot of people that have been would have been having a billion dollar company here, because having money is what people think will buy them happiness. But what I ended up seeing was the happiness that I was looking for wasn't a result of that money. There were people that had that money that were happy. There were people that had that money that were miserable. And one of the things that kept me from doing it, because I said, I'd like a year to see how who you are. A year to the day, he took me out to lunch again. And in and he said, I'd like an answer to my question. And I said, you have to be in the permanent, you know, punk that I was. I said, you got to ask a question before I can give you an answer. He said, Oh, so you forgot what you promised me a year ago? I said, No, I didn't forget. I just forgot that today was one year. And I'll never forget that again. I see how exactly you're. So I he said, Do you have an answer? I said, Yes. It's going to come in the form of three questions. And he said, okay, that doesn't sound good. You know that 99.9% of the people would have said, would have said when I first asked them, where's the broom? Let me start today. Not not wait till tomorrow. And now it's a year later and you have three questions for me. This doesn't bode well. Tell me what your three questions are. And remember, I said you you can either this quality that you have can either make you a huge success or a huge failure. And I have to say I'm in intrigued by the fact that you just don't run like everybody else would to that answer, because there's something in you that intrigues me. I don't know, I've never met somebody like you that's not influenced by the, by the power of what that money can give you. So I said, Okay, I have three questions for you. And when I asked him the three questions, it was clear to everybody,both of us for sure. that that wasn't meant for me to do. And he said, You know, I'm going to have to excommunicate you as a result of that.And I said, I said, I didn't realize you were going to have to, but I assumed you could. Because that's what people do, when like, you've given me your heart and soul, you've poured out on the table, everything that is important to you, you've offered to me, and you feel like I'm walking away from it. With with, with no respect. But that isn't what's happening. Like, it's in respect of, it's, it's an out of respect for you that I can't do that. Because that can never be the another version of you. And there's no room for me to be me in the company that you created. And so, I would rather be an unhappy version of myself than an unattainable unhappy version of you. Because I think I'll find happiness and being made whether I have money or not, that will make me happy. But I want to, I need to find myself, I need to find that Evan that I'm looking for, which is that place of unconditional love. And it starts with me, honoring and respecting and unconditionally loving myself. Alright, to the point that I know what's right, again, please 16Ari Gronich 11:47  What year is this?Daniel Bruce Levin 11:49  This was I was born in 55. So it was 1971.Unknown Speaker 11:53  Okay,Ari Gronich 11:54  so you're citing 70?Unknown Speaker 11:56  Actually, you're 16.Ari Gronich 12:00  This is the beginning of the 70s. We've got the hippie movement, right was in and crossing over to the disco world, right? This is what's happening in the world. We've got gas shortages, we've got Nixon we've got right, this is what's happening in the world. And you're telling your billionaire Uncle, I am looking to be happy within myself. Yeah, again, I'm just I'm repeating this because I think it's important that people realize the mindset that comes along with whatever success you're you're partaking in, and how important it is to feel honoring within yourself. And, you know, I like you watch a lot of the people who appear to be in power. And because I've had the opportunity to be hands on, so to speak with them. I know whether they're happy or not, I know whether they're fulfilled or not. And I know, kind of the the pieces of where they're fulfilled and where they're not. But I'm also an adult, at this point who's had a lot of years of experience, right? So you're 16 you're in the 70s it's the beginning of this movement of turning over for the Age of Aquarius, right? So everybody's preparing. And you're telling your uncle that you'd rather be happy than be a billionaire?Daniel Bruce Levin 13:42  Yeah, well, it wasn't that I'd rather be happy than be a billionaire. But I wanted the ability to be myself. And I honestly when I look at the world around me today, one of the things that I see is that there are a lot of people that have a lot of money. But there are not a lot of people that know themselves very well. It doesn't mean that people that have money don't know themselves or people that are poor don't know themselves. I don't find anybody I don't find many people in any of those stratosphere is that actually know who they are and feel comfortable in their own self. And when you find somebody like that, that person can be Richard before can be ugly, can be sad, can be can be old can be young. But when that person walks into a room with a prayer with the presence of knowing themselves, and feeling that presence, people are drawn to it like bees to honey. And, and that was what I was looking for. I was looking for that unconditional love that my parents gave me. I wanted to be that I wanted to feel that and as as much as that business would have given me so much joy, so much ability to have to have things that nobody in this world could haveI didn't see the possibility for me at that point for it to give me the ability to have what I wanted.In retrospect, now, what I've learned about the heaven that I was looking for, is that heaven is a change of perspective, that heaviness, the ability to sweat to look at what we've always seen one way, and see it entirely different to be curious about how other people see it. And now in looking back, what I realized, I could have easily gone into my own boss company. I could have easily changed my perspective, and been and found my happiness, right, in that I could, I could have found that in, in starting organizational psychology when my hair was down to my waist. And I said to my professor, what in the world do you see in me that looks like an organizational guy? What are you crazy, but I was so arrogant and so sure of myself, that now when I look back, some 40 years later, I'm working with organizations and i'm doing i'm doing organizational psychology with them now. And in the work that I do, sometimes, I could have been that in the rabbinical school. What we do doesn't determine our happiness, who we are determines our happiness. But I didn't see that then. I was just a kid and I didn't.Ari Gronich 16:25  Is it who we are? How we are?Daniel Bruce Levin 16:29  Yes, it's, it's, it's, it's probably all of that. But when I say who we are. There, we I did some work, I branded a coaching company is one of the things that I did. And they had a beautiful assessment that they did with people. And they look at the seven different ways that people show up in the world. And who a person is really determines how they show up in the world. And they can either show up as a victim, as a confrontational person, as someone who rationalizes everything, as someone who wants to please other people and will do everything they can for other people, they can show up in a win win situation where everybody wins, they can show up in a place where there is nobody to win with, there's only one, we're all together, we're all united. Or they can show up in the place where none of this is real at all it all just as an illusion. And depending on where you where we show up, where I show up in any situation, determines the outcome of how that situation looks to me. And it was really beautiful.Ari Gronich 17:46  So So then I go back to the previous part of your story. What are the three questions that you asked your uncle?Daniel Bruce Levin 17:54  I thought I could slip by that. But I see your sharp you won't let me go on. So I remembered who he was he had a they had a beautiful big house and in the Midwest. And for his birthday, one year while I was there that about 400 people showed up for his birthday party.Unknown Speaker 18:14  And I went upDaniel Bruce Levin 18:15  to him and I said at one point in the midst of the party, I said, Boy, you must feel so happy. You must feel so proud of who you are as a human being that you would have 400 people come here and celebrate your birthday with you. I mean, how does it feel to be that loved and admired? And he said, Danny, let me let me tell you something. You have you have rose colored glasses. And that's the way you look at the world. These people aren't here because they love and admire me. These people are here because I have a lot of money.And they want something from me. So I said Do you remember when you said that to me?And he said, Yes, I do. I said why would you want to give me that gift? Why would you want to give me that the lack of faith in myself. I wasn't a lovable I wasn't I wasn't the friends that I had didn't want to be friends with me. They only wanted what I had. And maybe I and then he said, Okay, I see. I see where you're going. This isn't looking so well. What's your second question?Unknown Speaker 19:27  And I said,Daniel Bruce Levin 19:28  I said, Let's imagine for a minute that I could get past that hurdle. But I doubt I could I mean you're brilliant. You're, you're you're wise intuitive men. So if you can't get by it What chance do I have getting by but let's imagine for the moment that I could. I remember sitting around the dining room table with the family one one night having dinner. And the girls were just starting to get boys at boys were just starting to get interested in them and they were talking about The boys that they liked and the boys liked them. I said, Do you remember your response? Do you remember what you said? He said, Yes, I do. But what do you think I said them. I said, here's my recollection, tell me if I'm right or not. You said to them girls, as attractive as you are as smart as you are as as, as kind and funny as you are. These guys don't give a damn about who you are, they give a damn about what your last name is. And just be careful that the only reason they love you is because of your last night name. Because you single handedly can change the projection, the trajectory of their life just in a relationship. So just be careful that they're not using you for your for your last name.As it's to say, I could get past the first hurdle. Why would you want to give that gift to my children?And he said, Okay, this doesn't look so great. What's your third question? I said, I love that you want to start me at the bottom pushing a broom. And I love that you don't want to just hand me over something that I'm not that I haven't I haven't earned. But as I come up from pushing a broom and talking and being involved with every level of every person in the construction company, I imagine I'm going to see certain things that you don't see anymore, because you're not that you don't have that involvement with them. If I see things or hear things from those people that I think could really change the company and help the company to have a culture that's even better than the culture that's there now. Would you allow me the space to make those changes? I said, Do you remember what you said to me? He said, like it was yesterday, tell me what you think I said to you. I said, I think you said to me, if it ain't broken, we fix it, Danny. And he said, That's spot on, I would say the same thing to you again.So I said, if I could get over the first hurdle, if I could get over the second hurdle. I still have a third hurdle, and that there's no place for me really in your company.Because I wouldn't be permitted to make the things that were when MIT would put my earmark on it. And he said, What do you really think?I mean, have you started any billion dollar companies? I said, Of course not. So I said, I think we have our decision, don't you?And he said, unfortunately, so remember I said to you, your intelligence would either make you successful? Or would or would make your proper I think it's going to make you a pauper right now, this is a stupid decision. I said I understand. And you're probably right. But I would rather make a stupid decision on the chance of being happy being made, then make a wise decision with with the possibility of ever being new, and being unhappy the rest of my life doing that.Ari Gronich 23:10  All right.Unknown Speaker 23:12  Wow.Ari Gronich 23:13  So I just I keep going back to your 18 years old, your age at the time and the level of maturity. But also, where did you learn the value of questions? Because obviously, obviously, you had them at an earlier age. And I would imagine that you had them before your parents passed. But where did you learn that value of curiosity, the value of of questioning and being curious? Well,Daniel Bruce Levin 23:55  I mean, even when john kennedy went down the street, outside our, by the border, our neighborhood, I said, Does that mean all the other presidents were Jewish? You know, I mean, a questions like I was always I tested it in, in preschool in preschool and elementary school, with an IQ of a genius. And I never really said much about it or cared much about it. But I think the genius mind is a mind that's inquisitive. I think, you know, part of the curse of having a genius mind, is it's so easy to think that I know something that I don't know. And, and somewhere along the line, I realize the curse of the genius mind is the arrogance that comes with it, of knowing things that other people don't know. And I realized that I can ask questions to find out what people do know, rather than assume that I know what they did. They know oftentimes what they told me was exactly what I thought, but sometimes it wasn't. And I always, even to this day, have About 10 or 15 years ago, a company by the name of Vistage. They train CEOs. They hire people to train CEOs, how to better their business. And they recruited me at one point in time to see if I could be one of their people. And I ended up not going with them. But they have Cogan and the saying that goes along with their company that I wish to God I had come up with, but I didn't. So I give credit to them for it because it's exactly what I do. They said, when people come to us, they think that we're going to answer their questions. But in truth, what we do is we question their answers. I thought that was brilliant. And it's really the practice that I do. I question. All through my life, I've been a disrupter. Even as a kid, I questioned the answers that people gave me because I didn't see the same way they saw. I always saw things differently. And in seeing things differently, what they thought was just cut and dry, easy answer. When I questioned them, I realized they didn't really know the answers to the questions of their answers. They just said their answers because they were the answers.Ari Gronich 26:15  So how often do you say the phrase? Yeah, I know.Daniel Bruce Levin 26:22  Rarely,Ari Gronich 26:24  I asked that because I remember being a kid. And you know, I was unlike most I was five years old, when I first started having conversations about philosophy and religion and politics. And I never understood kids my age, necessarily. I was definitely an introvert who likes to read and like to study and research and I read non fiction biographies of people in history. That was like my thing. I loved learning about people, and why they made the decisions that they made. And I was curious, but I also had that I know that because I would study so much that I felt like I knew. And then about 2000, the year 2000. I did the sterling men's weekend. So I was 24 years old and and doing this thing called the sterling men's weekend, which came out of asked and is a powerful experience. And one of my buddies that I met through that organization, his name is Bill Chapelle. And Bill Chapelle was one of Werner Earhart's coaches back before asked. Yeah, he also was one of the first five rebirth authors with Leonard or on the planet. I mean, this is a guy whose ability at psychology and knowing the brain and knowing motivation and all that is unparalleled. And he became a very good friend of mine. But he used to say to me, for me, to think that I know anything about anything, including what I'm saying right now, is the height of arrogance. Yeah. Because for all I know, I could be the ball in somebody's pinball game, being flipped around all over the place and have no control because 99.999% of what reality is, is unperceivable to the human condition. Yeah.Daniel Bruce Levin 28:55  When I say very rarely, I say, I mean, I meant that now. But growing up as an African kid, I've probably said it a lot.Ari Gronich 29:03  Oh, good. I just wanted to make sure that, yeah,Daniel Bruce Levin 29:06  I would I because what my gift was so to speak, was I was great at breaking down walls and starting things up. And I also had the gift and still do, of knowing how things and so when I knew how things were going to end, and when I started things up, and I knew how things were going to end. I had very little patience for the time in the middle. Because I wondered, well, it's obvious This is what's going to happen. Why do we have to waste all this time getting there? What I realized in my older age, is that tendency has made me miss out on most of the beautiful things and most of the pains and most of the things that give life all of its texture and all of its color. Because I didn't take time to sit there and smell the roses so to speak. I didn't take time to experience some of the experiences because I was as hell bent on getting to the end and starting up something new. And I didn't even feel like that was something that I was missing out on. Until I realized there's some things in my life now that I want to look back on. I haven't dealt with I haven't resolved, I haven't given the time sales. And all those things are important for us to determine who we are and what we feel, not to just glaze over them and run past them. But just I'm not, I'm not suggesting that we build houses in them, and stay stuck in them. But I am suggesting that we take a walk through them and walk into them and walk out of them. And when we can do that we we leave them in because they've even been our best, rather than in a room that we've locked them in with padlocks and scared to death that they'll come out one day at a second.Ari Gronich 30:54  So I'm going to ask you a, I think it's probably a tough question that you'll find easily. But it's a tough question for many people, logic and emotion. And the question becomes, I can so I'll just take me for an example. I can experience an experience, logically know that that was an experience that had all kinds of intricacies and nuance to it. But the emotional triggers may still create reaction in the future versus response, right. So I'm reacting to what was when, even though I logically have I have this logical mind that says, Okay, this is just silly. So how do we how do you get? How do people is there any tools or techniques that get people from the logic where you can understand something to the emotion where you actually will do the thing that may emotionally be outside of your history and pattern?Daniel Bruce Levin 32:16  Yeah, when I find out, I'll let you know. But, you know, they, there's that common saying that the hardest, longest hardest journey we ever take is about an 18 inch journey from our head to our heart. That when you speak of what you speak of I can I, you are a mirror of me saying the same thing to myself. I know, I know things. And I feel things. And for me, the greatest moments of conflict are when core values of what I know and what I feel, are in different places and are in opposition to each other. Those are the places where I have the most difficulty getting through. Because either way I lose and I win. And it's hard to lose, it's hard to give up something that you that you really want. Because there's something else that you really want. It's not that. And so in both cases, you've come out scarred, I came out scarred. But that doesn't like the only thing that I can tell you now that I'm experiencing in this moment, is what I know means nothing. Unless it's unless it's in alignment with what I feel. And what I feel when when head and heart Come in alignment. Then I operate in a flow, I don't operate in an opposition. Part of the reason the the mosaic is so valuable to me. It's the book that I wrote that that speaks to a different story. It says it's a simple, beautiful story in the words that it tells. But the story is told also in the spaces between the words. And in the spaces between the words, the story is that everything is connected, nothing is as it seems. And so if nothing is as it seems, it doesn't matter what I think it is. It doesn't matter. All the stories that I've told myself over hundreds and hundreds of times that I now believe are facts, when they're just simple stories. They're not facts, they're stories. But I've told him to myself so many times that I believe they're real, but they're just stories. And it's in the dismantling of those stories. That worlds crumble from I mean, for me, at least I'm talking about my world. Because on those stories on those facts, stories that I believe were facts, I built houses and communities and villages and towns and cities and states and countries. And when I unraveled those big I realize any truth. And it's just a story that I've told myself over and over and over again. Everything crumbled, the village, just towns, the cities, this countries. And it's a scary place to be. But it's also an incredibly exciting place to be, because all of a sudden, everything is seen differently.Ari Gronich 35:23  So I'm going to,I'm going to use a saying that I use a lot on here. It's one of my favorite quotes that I created. Because it's so simple, but the quote is, we made this shit up, we can do better. So here's an, you know, then the tagline for that is, so let's create a new tomorrow today and activate our vision for a better world. Right? So because we want to walk,Unknown Speaker 35:57  I couldn't have led you in that path any better. But, exactly.Ari Gronich 36:01  So here's the question. We made this shit up, we can do better. However, people become married to their construct, so much so that the even concept or idea that it's a construct that we made up, falls short on the perception of the person who constructed it. And so we're married to this thing that we've created that we can all see is, at best sub optimal, not performance based. But the attachment to that construct is so great. That having people realize that, like, you can create a totally different form of government and not have it be socialist democratic, or Republican, Republican communists or it could be like, the the, the the leaven society, you know, like, I mean, it could be any possibility of thing that we can create next, right? Yeah. But people are so married to the, to the idea that this label means this because we created it that way. Yeah. And so it can't ever mean anything else. False fall short. So anyway, that's, that's, that's my, my question to you is, how do we get the construct to have less value than the end result? And the journey be such a great experience in the journey of creating new constructs, that people won't be so uncomfortable with the d raveling? of the old one?Daniel Bruce Levin 37:53  It's a great question. And it really is your it's, it's at a further question on logic and emotion, right? Because we understand something in one way we feel something another way. What we feel prevents us from seeing what we're able to see, when when one of the underlying currents of the mosaic is that nothing is it seems. A very, very simple concept, but a scary as hell concept. When you sit with the idea, or the possibility, let's give it a possibility, let's not make it a fact. Sit with the possibility of nothingness as it seems. The way it happened for me in the book, and this is through the words of the story is that mo is a is a young boy who loses his parents two years apart on the same day. It's a fable is version of my life. And when he asked the adults where his parents are, they tell him they're in a place called heaven. So he sets out that day on search in a place called heaven. But the people he meets along the way are not the rabbis and the priests and the Swamis and the gurus. And the shamans and the aborigines elders and the medicine women. They're common ordinary people. They're the trash man and the road worker, the homeless guy in the blind woman, this juice man in the street artist, the gardener and the waitress. And he wonders why in the hell am I meeting these people? They don't seem like the people that would be able to show me. But he hears a voice inside of himself that says you're here with them, have the decency to just sit with them and let them tell you their story? And are you in 100% of the cases, when he takes the time to just sit with them and listen to their story? When he realizes that the person that he had originally saw isn't at all the person that they are now. There's so much deeper, so much more, so much for so much greater than then who he thought they were and Even the things that they do are examples of if we would use what the just use the things that they do as as parables to help us live a better life. For instance, can I tell you one story that's in there?Ari Gronich 40:14  Absolutely. Yeah, please do.Daniel Bruce Levin 40:18  So along his journey, he's walking down a city street. And the street is absolutely pristine clean. He has nothing in his pockets, no backpack on his back. He's just walking empty with nothing, nothing to encumber him. And to his amazement, a truck pulls up beside and stops. It's a trash truck. And the trash man looks and says, Don't you have any garbage that you want me to take from you? And Moe looks down around them. He looks on the streets, he looks on himself. And he says, he's about to say to the man, what are you crazy? I mean, the street is clean. I have nothing on me. Like, why would you be first of all? When did the trash structure stop and ask a person if they have any trash that they want someone to take? And don't you see there's nothing here? And he's just about the land of the guy and say, What are you crazy when he catches the glimmer in the trash man's eyes. And he realizes the trash man isn't asking them about physical trash. He's asking him if he has anything emotional, or spiritual, or mental or thought processes that are keeping him from having what he needs. And he starts to break down and cry. And he said, Oh my god, I was about to yell at you and tell you, you're crazy. But I have so much trash. I don't think I can get it out on my own. And the trash man looks at him and says, that's why I stopped the truck. I'll help you. Let me come down and bring my cat. And he brings his trash can down. And he puts it by the side of the road. And he says mo but everything that her pains you everything that ails you everything that's keeping you isolated, everything that's keeping you from having what you want, just put it into this trashcan. And the more that you put in, what I want you to just realize is I want you to be free of it for just one minute. I'm not going to put it in the truck and take it away until you tell me to. And if you don't want me to take it away, we can keep it in the can. But I want to, I want you to experience One moment, what it feels like to be rid of all that stuff. To just not have that blocking you anymore. You can put it just all of it right here in the trash can is when you think you're done. Go back in and get find more. I have tons of trash cans that we can fill up. You won't he won't overfill my cans, don't worry. But everything there and I'll help you with anything that you don't need help with. I'll help you to get it out. Because I want you to know that one moment where you see yourself the unlimited power of yourself when you actually see who you're all my life. I wanted to be a trash man, I would sit out when I was four years old and watch the trash man come and collect the garbage. And one day after about watching them for six months, the trash man looked at me and said you want to come for a ride with us around the block. And I was like ecstatic. It was like I you know, a God himself had come to me. And I started to get on the truck and my mom was watching through the kitchen window. She said, Daddy, where you're going? What are you doing? Where are you taking my son? And they said, Ma'am, I'm sorry, we're not going to do anything to him. We've just watched him. He's been here every Friday, for the last six months. We just asked him if we just want to take them around the block and let him have the thrill of pushing the button that grinds the trash up. Because kids like to do that. And she said if he's not back in 10 minutes, I'm going to call the police. They said met them Don't worry, we have we mean no harm. We want to give him a present. And I came back and I said Mom, I want to be a trash man. I love that. And she said to me, Danny, you have a genius IQ. You can't be a trash man. 60 years later, my mom's probably turning over in her grave. Because what I realized is I'm a trash man. That's what I do for people. And if my son wanted to become a trash man, and wanted to become that trash man, I would spend every dollar I had helping them to do that. Because that's what this world needs. It needs people that will help us to see ourselves as we really are. Now that's a trash man. Most people walk by the trash man and don't think he has any value at all. That those aren't even the stories that he tells that's just in the work that he does. But when we're able to see the beauty of everybody's station in this world, not as a below or above, not as higher or less, not by them The money they make or the or the house that they live in, or the religion they practice. But when we see them for who they actually are and what they actually do.We have there, the world is showing us so much. And we have so much opportunity to learn from them, and be with them and understand them and practice the practices. They practice. And they weren't great religious leaders, they're not spiritual giants. They're common ordinary people. Nothing is as it seems.Ari Gronich 45:36  It's a It's a beautiful story. Yeah, it's a beautiful story. I'm gonna ask you in a little bit more of what mosaic means and, and what the book really details. But before then I want to get to some of your personal Mosaic, which is your life. So you went to seminary for five years. You left one day before becoming a rabbi. So you didn't actually complete this five year process. And then you went and lived as a monk for 10 years. somewhere else? So tell me the transition that happened that like, what, what were the mechanisms of thinking that that occurred? You know, and and I'm gonna say this, it's about pivot. Because any business has to pivot, we've had this whole Corona thing we've had to pivot we had, you know, pivoting is in transitioning from one thing to another. It's kind of a theme I think, I've gotten started with you today is this whole idea of transitioning and transmutation? But, you know, tell me, how did you go from Rabbi to monk?Unknown Speaker 46:58  So,Daniel Bruce Levin 47:00  again, the the moment that changed my life was the death of my mom and my dad, my dad and my mom. I was so close to my dad. He was my hero. My mom, I love my mom was like an Ozzie and Harriet mom. Most people won't know what that is. But she was the wolf. She was the mom that came home and had milk and cookies on the table for us when we came home from school, and sat and made sure we did our homework and where we grew up in a lower middle class family, what we lacked in money we wish we had abundantly in love for each other. And so that was the environment that I grew up in. I lost your question. Tell me what your question is again.Ari Gronich 47:43  transmutation. transmutation. Okay. SoDaniel Bruce Levin 47:45  pivots. So again, what what I was looking for in every situation was that having that place where I could feel that unconditional love again. And so I went, I went in search for that it wasn't in my uncle's business. It wasn't in school selling, learning psychology. It wasn't hitchhiking around the world. It wasn't in the seminary, when I realized that I would, if I were to go through the process of being ordained, I would never represent the rebby in the way that he wanted to be represented, because I came there and route to India. And what he said to me was, Why were you born Jewish? Were you born Jewish to become a Hindu? And I said, I can't answer that question. He said, so then sit with me and have the courage to be here with me until you come up with an answer to that question. I said, I think that's a beautiful challenge. I would love to do that. And what he said was really a beautiful thing, because I was having all sorts of problems with Judaism. This was Orthodox Judaism. Right? Right ultra Orthodox Judaism. And, and I said, I just can't relate to a lot of these things. And he said, Danny, problems exist on the same level. They're always at the same level. What happens is we we grow and shrink in our own life. When we shrink, the problems look insurmountable. When we're not strong in ourselves, when we can see where we are, when we don't know what's going on. The problems seem like they're, they're mountains that we can never get over. But when we grow in ourselves, those same things that appeared like mountains moments ago now it seemed like molehills, and we walk over them with one simple step. Just put things on the shelf, Danny, anything you're having problems with. Now, it's because you're weak in what we're doing. You don't understand it. As you stay here and understand it more. Just keep looking at your shelf. Because you right now you're looking up at this mountain. Soon you'll be looking at it as a as a molehill. The day before I was to be ordained how Went to the rugby and I said rugby, my shelf just gave them everything that was on it is all over the floor, it's a mess in that in my room. I can't do this anymore. And I can't in good faith, be ordained in your name and not follow the integrity of the teaching that you've given me. Because I wouldn't do I wouldn't use it the way you would use it, I would use it as a title to get me further along in my way. But I would use it to embrace all religions, not just Judaism, and out of honor and dignity to you and love for you. I can't do that in your name. So I think the only place for me to go is to walk away.Ari Gronich 50:40  So okay, so so I'm just going to repeat 16 year old billionaire asks you to run a billion dollar company? No. Because I would be going against me.Daniel Bruce Levin 50:55  I be out of integrity with myselfAri Gronich 50:57  right out of integrity with myself. Next rabbi. I mean, out ofDaniel Bruce Levin 51:02  the box. Next was my psychology professor in school. Right? Okay. He wanted me to be his mentor in organizational psychology. And he, he wanted me to be his mentee, I'm sorry, not as mentor. He wanted to mentor me. And he wanted to be able to, for us to develop organizational psychology together. And I looked at him and I said, What are you crazy, that is huge. That just isn't me. Third step was Rabbi saying, I want you I want you to create schools that I've created and change the way people think about Judaism. But it wasn't me. Okay, and so, so many people,Ari Gronich 51:42  I just want to get get to this, you're a very contrary person. So what where I, where I'm going with this is people are so afraid to let somebody else down, that they will absolutely 100% let their entire life down. Personally, in order to please, other people.Daniel Bruce Levin 52:14  Yeah. And I was, I was scared to let people down to though, I just didn't want to let my uncle down by not being able to do what he wanted me to do. I was scared to let my professor down by not being able to do what he wanted me to do. I was scared to let the rabbi down by not letting him do what, but without letting me do what he wanted me to do. So I had the same neuroses of everybody else. I just had the integrity of my own belief system to say that, who being true to myself was as important as being true to somebody else. Because I realized somewhere early on,that life was short, because my parents were taken from me. And if I didn't have the guts to practice and try and learnwho I was, and what I was doing here on this planet, that I would never live a life of fulfillment. I might be rich, but I wouldn't be fulfilled. I might be, I might have fame, but I wouldn't be fulfilled. I wanted fulfillment. Because right now, I can honestly say to you, I could live under a bridge or I can live in imagine it wouldn't matter to me, because I know who I am. And I feel content to be who I am in the space that I'm at. Because my teacher was an Indian was an Indian girl by the name of paramahansa Yogananda and Parma Honza Yogananda used to say, people think that hell in heaven are these places above and below us. The truth of the matter is portable paradise with Wherever we go, or our portable hell with us wherever we goAri Gronich 53:50  there within us, not without us.Daniel Bruce Levin 53:52  Yeah. And so what I somehow had the had the blessing to to feel without even knowing that I was feeling it was there was a portable paradise in me that couldn't be couldn't be altered by how much money I had or what religion I practice or who was proud of me for doing what they wanted me to do. That it was more important for me to stay true to that portable paradise. And even if I made mistakes, which I've made tons of that I was trying to stay true to the integrity of valve holding that portable paradise as mine and sharing that paradise with as many people as I could.Ari Gronich 54:29  Alright, so I'm going to go to the side that looks at it from a little bit of a different angle.Sothe world is a little crazy,Daniel Bruce Levin 54:43  right? Yep. And maybe a whole lot crazy, by the way,Ari Gronich 54:50  just a little. You know, the thing is, I was watching an interview with Jordan Peterson and, and he's an interesting you know, Canadian cat. very controversial in many ways, but he was talking about this a little bit as well. And the he's a psychologist, right. He's a clinical psychologist, not organizational, but clinical. And he's talking about motivations. And he's talking about about all these things. But now I've lost my thought a little bit. Where was I?Daniel Bruce Levin 55:30  You were saying he was controversial? And he was.Ari Gronich 55:35  Okay, so so the construct, I go back to the construct, and the idea that, that we are designed. So what he was saying is that human beings that it's, he says, it's a bloody miracle, that we're all in this room together. And nobody is killing anybody. And we're peaceful, and we're able to be human and peaceful. At the same time. He said, that's a bloody miracle. That that is not how we're designed, right? We're designed as humans to be controversial and self serving and so on, in many ways. And, you know, some of that I agree with some of it, I don't. But the point is, is that within the constructs, right, we have people who work for companies, for instance, for 40 years, and are miserable, the entirety of the time that they're doing it make their families miserable, make their lives and their kids miserable. But they do it because they have a sense of responsibility. So that the question becomes the pivot, versus the responsibility. My parents used to say, I want you to be a happy, healthy, productive member of society. And if you can't be happy, and you can't be healthy, at least be productive. Right? So I was raised to always be doing less being, even though I would study ways of being. So it's kind of interesting. That's kind of how I got my I'm a Gemini too. So I have multiple personality disorder. And I'm a Jewish Gemini, which means that if you have, you know, 10 Jews in a room, you have 100 opinions. So yeah, that to a Gemini, you got 1000 opinions in one head, and a committee for the committee for the committee. So I am noUnknown Speaker 57:33  joke, because you feel one of the things or the other. Right,Ari Gronich 57:35  exactly. And it goes both ways. It's like, okay, but I want this, but I want this, but I want this, but I want this, I want, I want the world a better place. And I want it to be a certain way that I want it to be right. So you are here. And you're you're going through all of these experiences monk training for 10 years living as a monk, five years for rabbi, organizational psychology, that's another at least six years in school, right? You're going through all these trainings, and you're going and you're going in them long enough to have invested a massive amount of life in them. Yeah. And then saying, yeah, that didn't work for me. I, you know, I could see, I don'tDaniel Bruce Levin 58:20  think I ever said it didn't work for me. Well, IAri Gronich 58:22  mean, it doesn't leave. It worked for me, as a lifelong profession.Unknown Speaker 58:27  Yeah, but I neverDaniel Bruce Levin 58:28  I don't think I ever looked at things as a lifelong profession. Because, again, the beauty of losing my mom and dad if there was a beauty to it, because I didn't have anyone that I had to please. I didn't have my parents saying, Our getting this, you know, that I could, I was free. My aunt and uncle tried to be my parent parents, but I would I was arrogant kid. And I said, You're not my parents. I don't have to do what you say. You know, because I just thought I knew better. And, and that that was my shortcoming. But I didn't have to live up to anybody else's standard of who I had to be. I will end and I was forced to be independent. I wasn't my choice. But in my independence, I realized hold it. There's freedom here. Like I don't have to decide at 15 what my life's occupation is going to be I just have to decide what makes me feel good and happy and fulfilled right in this moment. And so when I went to school and studied psychology, I, I was in college and 16 years old, when I went to college at 16 years old, and I took two years to study psychology, and I sat with my my professor, I loved the the practice of that. But when he said organizational psychology, I looked at him and I said, What are you crazy and and what I realized is psychology didn't answer my questions of why my parents were taken from. And so I left my uncles and aunts. To the questions of why my parents were taken from me put it put a whole nother world over that. But I could have lived in that other world without answering the primary question that I had to ask myself, of Why does a kid 15 years old lose the people love sincerely, and that love him dearly? And why does he lose unconditional love in a moment not know why. And so, when I, when I went into The Revenant, I had the same quote, I had the same thing that happened. You know, what? At a certain point, it didn't, it wasn't the life that wasn't going to answer my questions. When I went into the monastery, it didn't change. It didn't answer my questions, and everything, put a nice new facade over the life that I was going to live. That would have made me very, very happy. Because there were beautiful facades, but they didn't answer the question. It wasn't until five years ago, when I finished writing the mosaic. Or I started writing Mosaic, that what I realized was that might happen was that perceptual shift. And had I been able to see what I was looking at differently. You know, there's that picture of the old hag and the young socialite, you know what I'm talking about that, that black and white. And when you look at it, you see one or the other, you can't see both of them at the same time. And I remember seeing the old hag when someone showed it to me first. And my friend said to me, what do you see the beautiful young socialite I said, Come on. I don't I don't mean to be politically. But this is an old woman here. She is not a beautiful socialite. And they said, No, you're not seeing it. Clearly. If you see it differently, you'll see it. I said, You're crazy. There's, this picture is an old tag. And they said, just look at it and look at it. And what I realized is, suddenly, I saw the young socialite, a beautiful young socialite. And as soon as I saw the socialite, I could no longer see the old tag. So what I realized is what we see in the world that we live in, literally blocks us from seeing everything else that's in that same frame. We can't see what's there. And so we have to slide ourselves out of the way to see what's there, when we're not when, when when we are not there. The world that I see is not the world that is it's the world that I see. And so in all these places, these are, the reason why people think I'm crazy, is because every one of those situations for them would have been their Heaven, who would want to walk away from a billion dollar business, that's Heaven, for a kid 15 years old, to be handed the opportunity to have a billion dollar company, and the run that we have the lifestyle that goes with it. That's what most people dream of, and feel like, they'll be happy in that life. It wasn't my heaven. And so what I grew through learning in that, is that what seems like heaven to one person is not having to another, and to really be able to listen to other people and hear what is your having? What is that place that makes everything in you completely aligned?Unknown Speaker 1:03:12  Where you feel youUnknown Speaker 1:03:14  where you are youDaniel Bruce Levin 1:03:15  where you're not somebody else's dream of what you should be your your own dream of what you think you could have been, if someone else would have done something for you.Unknown Speaker 1:03:24  Who are you?Daniel Bruce Levin 1:03:27  And what I found, can I tell you another little story, I'm a storyteller, but I don't want to talk my way through it.Ari Gronich 1:03:33  Absolutely. The only The only caveat to to this particular story is we're going next to a Hay House. And and so I just wanted to give you that heads up that we were going to the next transition or one of the next transitions thereafter. SoUnknown Speaker 1:03:49  okay, letDaniel Bruce Levin 1:03:51  me just tell you a short story. Because when I left my aunt and uncle's place, the two years that I was there with them, I became really close, my best friend was, was the son of another billionaire. And we had talked about what we would be able to do together in the world together through our friendship, and through the way we saw the world because we thought we saw the world in similar eyes. And when I left, he got so upset with me. And he said, You are just in absolute idiot. How can you do this to me? We had this we had planned out what we were going to do with our life with you being you being where you were and me being where I was and coming together to do these things together. And now all of that is from is gone. said none of it's gone. We can still do all of it. I just won't be in that same position. He said not you're making a stupid decision. I don't want anything to do with you. And he just defended me at this at that same moment.Ari Gronich 1:04:48  Did he hit a button?Unknown Speaker 1:04:50  Even while most almost it's like, you know, canceled culture, right? It's like It's like if it was Facebook, it would have been a lot easierDaniel Bruce Levin 1:04:59  and it hurt me You've heard me to know and but I said, you have to do what you have to do. About 30 years later, I was staying in New York at the Mandarin Oriental, and I was friends with the people that that are in charge of the Mandarin Oriental around the spa. And they would give me a friends and family rate there. And the friends and family rate was cheaper than some of the dive hotels in New York. And so I was I had the I had the opportunity every time I was in New York to stay at this beautiful luxury hotel, at a frat, you know, a fraction of a fraction of its costs. And the Mandarin Oriental is unique in that the lobby is on the 34th floor. And the lobby overlooks Central Park. So you have to take an elevator up from the ground level to the 34th floor, to then get on another elevator to go to your room. Well, one night, I was coming home at about 1030 at night. I took the elevator from the lobby from the ground floor to the lobby. And as I was coming out of the elevator, I saw my best friend from from, from when I was 15. walking in with three girls around him into the elevator. And I looked at him I said, Neil, and he turned in so fuku said my name. I said I did. He said How the hell do you know my name? And I said, Really? You don't even remember me? He said, I have no idea who you are. Who are you? I said I'm Danny, I was your best friend when you were 15 years old. He said, Oh my god, Danny, I didn't even recognize you. I said obviously. He said come to the club with us. Where are you going to come we're going out to the club, we're going to have a great time we're going to drink and we're going to smoke dope, and we're going to dance and we're going to do stuff and I have these three girls with me. You know, and we'll get more and we'll just have fun together. I said, Not me, but it's okay. How about if we have breakfast together tomorrow? He said, No, no, I'm not going to pass up on this opportunity. So gross. If you want to go to the club, go to the club, you have my card, you can you can use all my you can use my money to buy yourself whatever you need. I'm going to spend time with I'm going to spend time with my friend here. He said, Do you drink scotch and smoke cigars? I said I normally don't. But I will with you tonight. He said I've got a great bottle of scotch up in my room, I'm going to bring it down. I've got two great cigars that sit in the lobby and just spent time together, catching up on 30 years. We sat from 1030 at night to 430 in the morning. And as we were getting ready to go call the night, so to speak. He looked at me and he said you know I hated you. I've been so mad at you for all these years. I didn't understand why you would do something so stupid as to go find yourself like what the hell is go finding yourself. We had a chance to change the world together. And when you didn't take that with me, I lost all my hope and being able to do it because I needed you to do it with me. But I look at you now. And as stupid as you were. I see you have the one thing that I want that I can't have. I have more money than God. I have. But my I have no I've been divorced three times. I'm cheating on my wife now with the three girls you saw me in the elevator with. And that's only in New York, I have three more and every other city like my kids, don't talk to me. I'm an alcoholic. I'm addicted to drugs. And I look at you and I see you have this peace and this contentment that I would give anything for this moment in my life. And I said Neil, that's easy. Like, let's just say you're my Premier, my friend, no matter what you did to me, you still I remember you as my best friend when I was 15 years old. It's not gonna cost you anything we'll just as friends are, let's just hang out together and do stuff together. And, and I'll help you to find that because it's not so hard to find. It's much harder to do what you've done and to find Europeans and to find yourself yourself. You are yourself. You can't not you can't not know yourself.He said as soon as I get home, I'm going to call you. That was 15 years ago, I never heard from him or heard from him since he IAri Gronich 1:09:25  knew that was coming.Daniel Bruce Levin 1:09:28  Yeah. And so I believe that people inside themselves really want to know themselves. But I believe they're scared to death to leave all the things that they think they have, because they don't think they can have. But knowing yourself doesn't mean you have to lose anything. Now what I say is it's just a change of perspective. You know,Ari Gronich 1:09:52  I'm a I'm a big fan of mirror work. I talk about it a lot on on the show. I'm just in, in my life in general, you know, I tell people I wouldn't recommend or wish my life on anyone, not that my life was so bad for for others, because I believe that we all are given what we can handle, and we're not given what other people can handle. So I may not have been able to handle having a silver spoon in my, you know, hand as much as I would have loved in theory to be born with that silver spoon. So, or, you know, in Trump's case, a gold, you know, gold plated spoon. But the thing is that, for me, mirror work is all about unraveling the mask. unraveling the things that we put on top of ourselves, I get to look in the mirror and uncover that. Right. So I find myself not by creating some new version of me or, or, or shifting or changing or, you know those things, and this is my philosophy. But by uncovering the real me and taking away the mask of trauma, the mask of experience the masks that I put on, right.Daniel Bruce Levin 1:11:36  So your man or the first person? Go ahead, I'm sorry,Ari Gronich 1:11:39  I'll let you complete I was just gonna ask you what masks Have you taken off and put on. I have masks allUnknown Speaker 1:11:51  male.Daniel Bruce Levin 1:11:56  It's almost easier to ask what masks have remained. And what masks have I take don

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And the whole premise behind the book was, if you if you had looked at the the failures of others, the hurdles that others had gone through in their businesses, or their ventures, then if you don't repeat them, then you should be you should be able to succeed. And so what I, when I wrote the book and started going on stages, one of the questions I used to get was, well, what's the one thing that entrepreneurs can do that can make them successful? So it's like this magic pill. And at that time, you know, when I used to get asked, I used to roll my eyes saying, well, there's a whole reason why I interviewed 300 people with 75 stories in the book. And so at that point, it was just like, the entrepreneurship is complicated it is. But the one thing that came down to being common, when I went back to listen to some of the video, the the taped interviews I had, was that 80 to 90% of them use some form of I ignored my intuition. I didn't trust my gut, I knew I shouldn't have this was the language around this thing called intuition. And it really got me to understand, Wow, that's really interesting that people are ignoring their intuition, and it's now leading them to failures. Why do they do and why did I ignore my intuition?Ari Gronich 2:27  What the difference between intuition and reading your environment is,Sunil Godse 2:32  so it's all part of the same thing. So let's and now you're touching upon the four types of intuition. So let's, let's dive into that. So the first, first of the four, and this is not in by no means in any particular order, because they all work the same time, the biggest one that people don't think about is that intuition does rely on your past learning experience. So when you're born, all these, this learning and experience gets put into the subconscious area of your brain that's relevant to you. And so if you look at the brain, like a sub like an iceberg, the 10% above water is your conscious, the 90% is below water, which is just subconscious. So that's the first thing. You're talking about the situation that you're in. So that's the second part. It's called situational intuition. It looks at the environment you're in and says, is everything safe? Is everything where it needs to be? There's something wrong, and if there's something wrong, you'll focus on it, right? And you'll focus on what's wrong. It's something out of place. Are you getting this feeling that there's danger coming?Ari Gronich 3:31  Yeah, it seems like, it's kind of like learning your lesson, right? So the harder it takes the louder you have to have somebody scream at you in order to learn your lesson. You know, the harder that, that intuition, or that lesson will knock on your door, so to speak. So absolutely. No, like, I'll give you an example. Just from my childhood. I was seven years old, my parents got into business with somebody and my brother and I both said, No, I was I was seven. You know, I'm not old enough to have a thought at this point. You know, because kids are meant to be seen and not heard. At least back in probably our day. Yeah, a little bit more. But so my brother and I actually said this person, you know, something is off. We didn't know what obviously we didn't even know how to explain it. But something was off. And two years later, the guy ended up literally shutting the doors to the building that my parents had their offices in stealing, I think a quarter million dollars worth of stuff. We had to sell the house. My dad builds I mean, we basically were left with nothing. Yeah. And so two years later, when we're left with nothing and I'm I started studying Buddhism I was nine I'm started studying Buddhism, Eastern shown in Buddhism that The nominal hoarding a kill style. And and I start learning about karma. And I start learning about intuition and things like that. And I go, Hey, my intuition has been shut down. You know, how do we, and I'm gonna just segue a little bit, but how do we stop ourselves, parents, etc, from shutting down the intuition of kids so that they don't turn that into a habit of shutting down their intuition as adults.Sunil Godse 5:39  So everything starts with you. And so you have to be the one to first of all, be in touch with your intuition and recognize that these these intuitive signals, recognize that some of us have gone down societal norms, and it didn't turn out, recognize that the people around us may not be the best that that are there. And so when there's a seven step process that I go through, that takes you from basically taking a problem and solving it using your intuition. And two of them are really kind of cleaning up the people around you, and cleaning up the environment you're in, I mean, those are two of the things. So you really have to take a hard look at who are those that around you that are, you know, giving you feedback, and it doesn't mean you have to take a hard, hard lesson and cut everybody out, there's gonna be levels of people that you want in the inner circle and the outer circle, just to keep it very simple.Ari Gronich 6:28  What's the difference? If hindsight is 2020? What is foresight?Sunil Godse 6:34  So you have to be careful with foresight. So people kind of get into manifestation and things like that. So that is something that can happen it now It all depends on how, how open you are to intuition and the power of it. And like some people want to really hang on the research. And the research is simply not there yet, if you're open to saying the intuition, and your brain is a lot more powerful than we think that we can measure. So there's been a lot of instances in the people I've interviewed where they've manifested something or they, they believe that something can happen. And they and that happens. And the process to do this is is like this, from my from my perspective, you can have a goal that you want, make sure that's good, that goal is realistic. And so like, you know, you don't want to hang your hat on it, I'm going to make a million dollars, because that's an extrinsic goal, what's the intrinsic goal, what what is really your purpose. And when you have your purpose, and you want to affect people at a certain level, the laggard indicator, so to speak, could be the million dollars. So that's okay. But it's really driven by purpose, which is a future goal. What intuition helps you do is it helps you take the steps in the present moment, based on your signals that are going to help you connect with the right people, open the right doors of opportunity, take the right decisions, or whatever situation that you're in, so that you meet your your purpose, which is really driven by a passion, it has to be your passion, it has to be internal. And when the purpose is to affect is, in my case, it's affect as many people as I want. In a nice case, it's it's help as many people with disabilities and illnesses as they can, in my other daughters case, Divya, it's, you know, simply having a happy life. Right. So there's different purposes that we all have. And so that passion has to match with purpose. And when you trust your intuition in the moment and take those steps, in the moment guided by your intuitive signals, you start reaching those goals.Ari Gronich 8:33  Let's take, let's say where we're we're working on people's, you know, level of intuition when it comes to things like politics, when it comes to things like what it is in the world that should be being done, and what's not being done. So like we have politicians that probably have a lot of intuition that they ignore, because of whatever interests, we have a lot of people who would be activists, this show is a lot about how to activate that vision for a better world. And a lot of people who are passionate about something, don't necessarily have the action that goes along with it, they might have the intuition to do that action, but the fear stops them. So let's just kind of get into that a little bit. I want to get really dirty with it. You know, like, let's get into the weeds a little bit more.Sunil Godse 9:42  Yep. So there's four intuitive hurdles that really squash your ability to listen to the to your intuitive signals, and they scramble it and you talked about one which is fear, and there's actually three branches of fear. There's the fear of failure. There's the fear of the unknown, and there's the fear of change. So what happens is you have this intuitive signal. And it's different from the fear of, you know, being eaten by a saber toothed tiger. Right. So if you got that, that's coming, that's one fear. But these are where the signals are very important in coming up. So if you fear taking that first step, if you already know what your basket of positive and negative signals are, by looking at the past, and you look at the good decisions you made, and you looked at the bad decisions you've made, and you've really broken them down, you've now got a really nice inventory of signals. And so if you fear taking that step, you sit in the moment you think about what is my intuition telling me, and, you know, obviously, you know, I mean, you can talk about it, or you can just sit and think about it, right? If that signal is positive, then you take that step, right, because and then the next step and the next step, and pretty soon you start breaking that that fear down, because you get that confidence. And if it's not the right one, and you go down the wrong path, then you haven't done a very good job of checking in your negative signals, because maybe there's a signal that you haven't brought up as a negative signal, or you're not paying too much attention to the negative signal, because it's really subtle. And it would, because it was subtle, you ignored it the first time. So this is where you really need to take the time to figure out what your signals are. So fear is one of them. The second intuitive hurdle is it's called ego. And there's two types of ego, the one egos narcissism where you're talking without any experience, and of course, your intuition saying your blessing. The other side of ego is following the herd. So societal norms is when we follow the mantra follow the herd, even though it goes against your values, even though that's not what you didn't want to do. Me going into engineering is not what I wanted to do, I want to be an entrepreneur. And so I followed the herd and I wasted three years of my life in engineering, and it could have been three years I could have spent chasing an entrepreneurial dream.Unknown Speaker 11:51  Awesome,Ari Gronich 11:52  thank you so much for for being here for, you know, exploring all of this madness, and an intuition. I mean, you know, I know that I tend to take people on, on awkward journeys through information nonlinearly and, and ask questions that I think most interviewers, you know, don't really ask as often. But I like to get down deep and dirty, you know, I really want what I want for this show for, for people in general is for them to be able to take these, these episodes, and act upon the things that are in them so that they can change the world. That's my purpose. And, and I'm, I'm blessed, you know, to be able to interview people like you that have unusual, you know, jobs, unusual ways of going about what you're doing, and have so much success that you can easily explain and, and entertain at the same time. And so, I think that people are really getting a lot out of this. My last question to you is really about the nature of people, and how the nature of people changes the ability to use their intuition. And what I mean by that is, people tend human beings tend to have faith based on fear. So if you ever listen to anybody who's who asks, If you believe it's, are you fearful of God, if you want to be successful, you have to be, you know, fearful of God, not in love with God, not, you know, like, enamored by the information in the word, right, but fearful of the consequences versus, you know, looking towards the benefits. So we have this, this dichotomy as people. And so the question becomes faith versus intuition, right. And the nature of people, how do we develop? And this is it's a, it's a hard question you may not have, but how do we develop the intuition that goes along with the compassion that goes along with the wish to do no harm, to have peace, to create a world for everybody that is successful and happy, you know, I get that we need the contrast right? But we've contrasted so far over to one side, that, you know, I want to I want to do everything I can to bring it back to that side of love and peace. You know, even if it's a pipe dream, soSunil Godse 15:15  how do you Yeah, and the way I can answer this is just sort of, through my lens, so to speak. And so the way I because I get bombarded with a lot of these messages, and we can, we can just really extrapolate that to a lot of the messages that get that, but ultimately, what it what are you affected by, right. And so when I get these messages of fear, or fear based things, or people giving advice or circumstances that are happening, I'm in the driver's seat. So I control the ability to react to that in whatever way I want. And so it's like a shield like a, you know, I've got one of these shields, and you come in, and it just bounces off interesting, you've got my attention, or you might not have, but ultimately, the things that drive me are the ones that are going to really, again, it just I get that pull that I know this is the right thing. And I'll give you a very, very good example. Because it just happened a couple of weeks ago, I was watching this really great video from Prince EA. And really, it was really inspirational. And the messaging was really good. And I just happen to go through and it gets tons of comments. But what I noticed that that comments was, there was some of them saying, I need to talk to someone. And so my intuition drew me to say, Listen, you need to reach out to this guy. It was just one of, I don't know, 3000 comments that were there. But somehow I focused on that one. And I reached out and I said, Hey, listen, DM me, and here's my number, give me a call. Now, it could be a salesperson, or you know, you don't know. But there was a guy that was four months behind in his payments, child support payments, he tried every single job he can. And he was at wit's end. And he was about to really he led his life got he really was at that stage. And he was it was just the depths of despair. And so within half an hour, we had this talk about Okay, what are you passionate about? This is a 20 year 20 year veteran of welding, working gas stations, retail outlets. And it turns out very quickly, he has a passion for fishing. He somehow wants to dabble in digital marketing, and he wants to be something for his daughter. And he's got a phone and like, oh, bingo, well, there are some dots that connect. Okay, so he and he himself says, Now there's a lot of people doing fishing wrong. And I mean, the story is just right there. I mean, just connect the dots, you got digital media, you got fishing videos, you can do what people are doing wrong, you can make money by using affiliate on selling lures, or fishing tackle, and I'm not in the fishing space. So I'm just riffing based on what I think is there. And so you need to create content, that people are not only going to be interested in saying, you know, you can catch a bigger fish in this area. But you can catch a bigger fish in this area. And I tested these two lures, you need the orange one, and by the way, it's 1999. And then you become an affiliate member, right? Or you do a membership on you know, if you have that confidence, but it has to be believable. And I told him intuition is a two way street. If your blessing, you know, people may see it's, it's really good, or you're not giving enough information where you're actually selling something genuinely, and because you believe it, then you're gonna get people saying, Yeah, that's great tip. See you later, right. So within 30 minutes, we had mapped out a plan. And the excitement in this guy's voice was amazing. And I told him, I'm going to be checking up on you in about a month or two to make sure that you actually follow through on what we just discussed. Right? So here was something the story doesn't necessarily have to be that cathartic. The issue is something pulled me there. something out of that that moment of time that I gave gave gave me the focus there. I'm there's other videos that say, Yeah, well, that's a great message, I don't believe you, I'm gone. And it's it's that ability to really be in the moment, allow things through this filter into the filter, so to speak, that's actually going to help you move your life forward, that's actually going to take those steps that you know, need to be taken forward. And believing that the information you get the people you trust, the situations you put yourself in, move you that that way forward. And it happens in a split second. So that's why it's so important to know what those intuitive signals are that move you that way. Remember that for me it was that pulling whatever happened after that pulling was meant to happen, because I trust my intuition to do that. And thankfully, this affected this, this this man, but these are laggard indicators that we look at the money, the happiness, the changing of people, in your case, athletes, affecting people. Those are laggard indicators that happen when we use leading indicators, like actually just taking action and taking the steps. So we should never focus on the lagging indicators. We focus on taking the steps and every single step you take. Remember that guy who has cerebral palsy, you just don't know realize how far you've come until you look back later. But look back later. Right.Ari Gronich 19:55  Well, thank you so much. How can people get ahold of you?Sunil Godse 20:00  Intuition knowledge.com is there my email address is Sunil at sunil godse com. I'm an all the socials LinkedIn, Twitter Facebook Instagram I'm making a move on tik tok so trying that instance I'm not doing any crazy dances but I will be well I did with my daughters because they wanted me to do one but I gotta be careful but not gonnaAri Gronich 20:18  weapon and naini No, ISunil Godse 20:22  think that would be where my shake that's where people go my followers will go down for sure.Ari Gronich 20:29  Oh come on. You can harlem shake it? Wait, I must be old that was that was many years ago the Harlem Shake. What's the newest one? flash mob No, we're not doing flash.Sunil Godse 20:41  I did try my my thing I breakdancing way back when so you know I had the cardboard and a helmet and I had a buddy of mine andAri Gronich 20:48  you have the cardboard and helmet Did you have the parachute pants? I had the parachute pantsSunil Godse 20:52  you know I couldn't at that time couldn't afford it. But you know as much as you know I think we just want to in the basement first if we if we could do the worm we did and luckily I had my helmet because that worm got me into a wall and this mermaid turning into a butterfly soon that's for sure.Ari Gronich 21:18  Stop hammertimeSunil Godse 21:22  But yeah, so any of the socials email me DM me I'm happy to answer any questions and yeah, take the seven day challenge I mean it's free and and find out how intuition is solve your problem and now you've got a template for life so you have a go at her.Ari Gronich 21:34  Absolutely. Well thank you so much for for being here Sunil remember you can always find us at create a new tomorrow.com or achieve health usa.com remember to check out the book a new tomorrow.com. It's on Amazon as well as on the website. So you can take a look at that and like subscribe rate review, comment below. Let's have a discussion. Let's talk about this. Let's figure out stuff that will help us all move forward together. Thank you so much to Sunil. This has been another great episode with our Ari Gronich and Sunil godse. Let's experience creating a new tomorrow today and activating our vision for a better world. Have a great great rest of your day.

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And I am not going to tell you exactly what that is, I'm going to let him do it. But let's just say that by using his intuition, he has had the success of making over $20 million, taking companies from 500,000 to three and a half million, doing all kinds of things on establishing relationships. And he's helped over 50,000 people change the way that they make decisions by helping them sharpen their intuition. Now I have my own motivations for wanting to talk to Neil but I'm gonna let him tell you a little bit about intuition ology.Sunil Godse 1:09  Fantastic, well, thanks for having me on, I'm really excited to, to educate your listeners a bit on on how to sharpen their intuition. And to give you a bit of a background as to kind of highlight I started, you know, down the road of figuring out, you know, why intuition was so important was I wrote a book called fail fast, succeed faster. And the whole premise behind the book was, if you if you had looked at the the failures of others, the hurdles that others had gone through in their businesses, or their ventures, then if you don't repeat them, that you should be, you should be able to succeed. And so what I, when I wrote the book and started going on stages, one of the questions I used to get was, well, what's the one thing that entrepreneurs can do that can make them successful? So it's like this magic pill. And at that time, you know, when I used to get asked, I used to roll my eyes saying, well, there's a whole reason why I interviewed 300 people was 75 stories in the book. And so at that point, it was just like, the entrepreneurship is complicated it is. But the one thing that came down to being common, when I went back to listen to some of the video, the the taped interviews I had, was that 80 to 90% of them use some form of I ignored my intuition. I didn't trust my gut, I knew I shouldn't have this was the language around this thing called intuition. And it really got me to understand, Wow, that's really interesting, that people are ignoring their intuition, and is now leading them to failures. Why do they do and why did I ignore my intuition? And so when I immediately thought about when I ignored my intuition, there were three things that came up right away. The first was a career that I got into I got into engineering being South Asian, it's it's either doctor, lawyer, engineer, or door number four is failure for anybody South Asian, especially, you know, firstborn son or a son. So I ended up going to door number three, and became the engineer and just absolutely hated it. And I spent three years there. And to, to in the second year of that three year stint, I ended up becoming an investor with a Mexican restaurant, a Mexican Mexican restaurant was a senior fries brought the chain up to Canada with the first time ever, and we bought the rights to the name and I became an investor and I was making five times more in dividends. And I was full time as a, as a civil engineer. And so in the third year, I just said, I'm leaving right now. Entrepreneurship is really, really speaking to me, from an intuitive perspective, I lost my relationship with my dad. But that was a sacrifice I needed. That's why I kind of fell into these societal norms, so to speak. And then that's that went into wholesale clothing, retail clothing, pop up events, entertainment company. And that's where the $20 million in ventures or as investor came in, before I started consulting other people. The second time was I remember, there was a management consulting contract, a big one in Silicon Valley. And it was a big, it was a big it name. And I'm thinking, wow, this is what an opportunity. But the contract terms kept changing. And my intuition at that time was saying, you better back off, like Something's fishy here. But the money was so good. And I was so emotionally invested in going that I spent every single penny going down there. And the company didn't pay me. And I came back with 25 cents in my bank account back to Canada. And and at that time, I was there was two years. I was about to be married. I'd met my wife three years earlier, and the money is just gone. And I have nothing. So perhaps the most devastating one was I had a friend of mine who was being stalked, and she needed some advice, and I was doing some coaching at the time. And so she said, Sunil Can we meet right away too. I need I need you to give me some advice on what's going on. And so I had nothing that afternoon. Yet my and my intuition saying like meet whether this is urgent, yet something like I just I just ignored that. That's something and I said, Well, let's meet a couple of days later. And the very next day, that same stalker walked up to her at a bus shelter. shot and killed her. And she ended up dying the very next day. So when I looked at those times when I ignored this something, I kept thinking like, why, like, why did they do that? And then I started thinking, you know what I mean, intuitions spoken to me, before I had this voice had this feeling I got all these different things happening. Why do we ignore intuition? And that got me really taking a deep dive into understanding what intuition is? Is there science behind it? And sure enough, there were MRIs. When I looked at the academic literature and showing what we're born with intuition. There was studies saying that infants, as young as two months old had intuitive capabilities. You had experiences, there were four types of intuition and that we have these things called into signals. And these signals are very unique to you and I. So we have four types of intuition. And we can dive into that if you want a little bit later. And they come in two splits.Ari Gronich 5:52  Yeah, I want to I want to interrupt you for a second, I want to know whether what the difference between intuition and reading your environment is.Sunil Godse 6:04  So it's all part of the same thing. So let's and now you're touching upon the four types of intuition. So let's, let's dive into that. So the first, first of the four, and this is not in by no means in any particular order, because they all work the same time, the biggest one that people don't think about is that intuition does rely on your past learning experience. So when you're born, all these, this learning and experience gets put into the subconscious area of your brain that's relevant to you. And so if you look at the brain, like a sub like an iceberg, the 10% above water is your conscious, the 90% is below water, which is your subconscious. So that's the first thing. You're talking about the situation that you're in. So that's the second part, it's called situational intuition. It looks at the environment you're in and says, is everything safe is everything where it needs to be, there's something wrong, and if there's something wrong, you're you'll focus on it, right? And you'll focus on what's wrong, it's something out of place, are you getting this feeling that there's danger coming? So people I've even had, you know, people who are, you know, blind, and they've got their service dog, and they're walking down this alley, they've gone and all of a sudden the service dog stops, there's something wrong that's going down that alley. And and so about other people just gone down this alley, and then again, it nighttime and they just sense there's something in their environment that's off. And they walk the other way. And sure enough, later on, they see a couple of individuals that come around the side that are a little bit suspicious, start following her. So that's that situational intuition. The third of the form is called relational intuition. And so this is where you're looking at the person or persons in that environment, can they be trusted? What's their body language looking like? Are they actions matching the word so what's the facial twitches is deceptive. You know, so and it's consistently watching. So that you're continually analyzing forever, like somebody can can rope you in and and you know, two days later or a week later, start doing things that are deceptive, right. So your intuition is always watching when it comes to relational intuition. And then the fourth one is creative intuition. That's the ultimate decision that you make. So all these four come together in a split second to tell you whether you're making the right decision or making the wrong decision. And this is where the intuitive signals are very, very important. Because when you make the right decision, you get an inventory of positive signals. And typically, for people that's like the doctor connecting, it feels right, there's a pull, these are common after interviewing over 1000 people, these are sort of three of the common ones that people think about. The common ones, the negative ones is sort of that gut feeling. In some cases, it's a voice where and voice could be positive or negative, depending on the tone of the voice or what you feel that voice is saying. And then there's a couple of really odd ones. Like there's one which is an orb, somebody sees an orb an omen. And in one case, we had there was an entrepreneur that you when I was interviewing him, he was just saying, Yeah, you know, I don't know about these signals, you know, but every time he talked about his failures, the ventures that he went into for the wrong reasons, he kept touching his left ear lobe. And pretty soon it clicked, like, Oh, my God, like there's a signal. And now he remembers every time he got into that venture, thinking about it, he be grabbing his left ear lobe. And that was his intuitive signal to say you're making the wrong decision. So when you have sort of, he understands, and this is how complex intuition is, which had to find out is because we don't understand what these four are, we ignore a number of signals. And even if we get that gut feeling, or we get that voice, how do you know that's the first signal? If that's signal number three, that just means that you made two bad decisions, so that those two bad decisions could be a stubbed toe, or those two bad decisions could lead you to bankruptcy.Ari Gronich 9:50  Yeah, it seems like it's kind of like learning your lesson, right? So the harder it takes, the louder you have to have somebody scream at you in order to learn Your lesson? You know, the harder that that intuition, or that lesson will knock on your door so to speak. So, absolutely no, like, I'll give you an example, just from my childhood. I was seven years old, my parents got into business with somebody and my brother and I both said, No, I was I was seven, you know, I'm not old enough to have a thought at this point, you know, because kids are meant to be seen and not heard. At least back in probably our day. Yeah, a little bit more. But so my brother and I actually said, this person, you know, something is off. We didn't know what obviously, we didn't even know how to explain it. But something was off. And two years later, the guy ended up literally shutting the doors to the building that my parents had their offices in stealing, I think, a quarter million dollars worth of stuff, we had to sell the house, my dad builds, I mean, we basically were left with nothing. Yeah. And so two years later, when we're left with nothing, and I'm I started studying Buddhism, I was nine, I'm started studying Buddhism, nature and shown in Buddhism, that's the nominal ordering a kill. style. And, and I start learning about karma. And I start learning about intuition and things like that. And I go, Hey, my intuition has been shut down. You know, how do we, and I'm gonna just segue a little bit, but how do we stop ourselves, parents, etc, from shutting down the intuition of kids so that they don't turn that into a habit of shutting down their intuition as adults.Sunil Godse 11:58  So everything starts with you. And so you have to be the one to first of all, be in touch with your intuition and recognize that these, these intuitive signals, recognize that some of us have gone down societal norms, and it didn't turn out, recognize that the people around us may not be the best, that that are there. And so when there's a seven step process that I go through, that takes you from basically taking a problem and solving it using your intuition. And two of them are really kind of cleaning up the people around you, and cleaning up the environment you're in, I mean, those are two of the things. So you really have to take a hard look at who are those that are around you that are, you know, giving you feedback, and it doesn't mean you have to take a hard, hard lesson and cut everybody out, there's gonna be levels of people that you want into inner circle and the outer circle, just to keep it very simple. The inner circle ones are the ones that are really going to be there for you through thick and thin through the ups and downs. And they're, they're genuinely there to move your life forward. They're not Yes, people, there are people that you know, you'll get an honest opinion from. So when you surround yourself with with those type of people and learn about these things about signals and create your environment that's positive, then you can do the same for everyone else. Because it doesn't make sense. And you're giving, you know, advice to someone, when you yourself are following societal norms. I mean, I have a friend like that, right? They know exactly about me and intuition, and how I have that with my two kids. And I talk about it all the time at home, and they roll their eyes. But you know, these other people recognize it. And they're really good friends of ours, and we talk about it how important it is, yet, they're advising their kids of a societal norm, you have to go into medicine, you have to do this. Right. And so that's the economy, right? So on the one hand, they're talking about it from a conceptual perspective. On the other hand, from a practical perspective, they're doing something completely different now, enter their kids who are in the environment, because we're talking about this. And yes, you know, some of the kids that come over, we talk about intuition or something like that, or decisions you have to make, and they get my aspect of you know, that it feels right chasing your dreams, what's your passion, that kind of language, then they go home, and they hear something totally, no, no, you're, I mean, what is that nonsense? You know, yet, we're talking about it. And so now you've left that that child confused. So you really have to really understand it for yourself. And it's tough. It's really tough, you're gonna get a lot of backlash. Right? And, and, you know, I entered discussions with some people. And yeah, I mean, I get backlash because of my opinions, but I really don't care. Right? Because my intuition my intuitive path is for me, and if you look at my two kids, and the impact that they've had, and you know, my wife kind of is sort of a traditionalist and all that stuff. And so we kind of go back and forth as well. But I'm pretty staunch like you know, you don't have to do things because other people expect you to do it. You don't have to follow societal norms. And if you really want to go into say medicine, or if you really want to go into to, you know, become an artist, if you really want to do dentistry, whatever it is, you make sure you want to do it because you love it. Your Passion about it. And I want to hear the language that is telling me that not just because you're saying it because x y Zed or somebody driving a new car, you know, and you're, you know, Justin recolor was talking about, I was just listening As for his podcast episode he was talking about, and this, this was the one you just released the full interview I was listening to, and he was talking about, we're so hung up on money and house cars, and extremities, external motivations, that we should be looking inside. And one of the things that I tell people is that the cost to you in making the wrong decision is actually double the cost. And here's why. The cost is if you make a bad decision, it's not only the time, effort, and in some cases, money lost on making that bad decision. But in that same instance, you can actually gain time gain money, gain effort by making the right decision. So it's actually two times the cost in terms of making a bad decision. So when it comes to kids, with my two girls, so my eight year old, in both cases, they've been able to move away from bullying incidents that they've seen the behavior they don't like. And I was actually really surprised that my oldest one was pretty like her line was drawn in the sand is she was saying, I don't like that behavior whatsoever. And I was telling her, Well, you should give that friend a second chance. You know, just because she was pretty hard. And that shocked me. Like, wow, and she's like this, I think she was eight at the time. And so you should, you know, just see, give her a second chance, because they were friends for a long time. And then sure enough, she's she's an acid, the choice is up to you. And she agreed at one point. And her friend ended up coming over and giving lollipops and a big poster of when they spent time together. And I said, Well, you know, I mean, she took the time to do that. So she clearly cares. And sure enough, that behavior came back. And so she said, I'm done. And I said, excellent. You got your you got your answer. So I should have had her trust her intuition. But my now she's 14, she's now running actually a nonprofit business by herself, where she, she actually paints and you can see her paintings behind. Those are her art. And so she sells those to raise money for distributes and illnesses. She's raised over 20 grand in about a year and a half. She has her own podcast series. She does all the backend stuff, she doesn't want my team to work on it. She wants to put the podcast together, she's getting the guests, she's sending the emails. And it's all intuitively based, like easy to see the passion in it. Right? You see the purpose, you see the engagement. And you can tell that this is really like she's loving that process. That's what we have to teach our kids. That's what we have to teach ourselves. And that's where that consistency comes. And when you're acting like that. And when your kids act like that, you attract people like that, because you naturally repel others or you keep them at a distance. Because you make that decision. They don't.Ari Gronich 17:47  So just because you mentioned Justin, Justin's daughter, Niva Lee recolor has the podcast superpower kids. Wow. And she teaches she she's a an author, best selling author, she's been on stage in for ink magazine, she's been rated as one of the most influential kids in America on entrepreneurship. You might want to have your daughter, check her show out and, and even possibly be on it. And I know that they enjoy that. And neiva and my seven year old are like brother and sister. I mean, they just they've known each other pretty much since he was a few months old. And when they met, they were like, just they couldn't stop having each other having enough of each other. So it was it was a beautiful thing. But yeah, naevus Niva is amazing. And yeah, and we sat down your daughter's doing that, that would be awesome. And yeah, I highly recommend that. That being said, What's the difference? If hindsight is 2020? What is foresight?Sunil Godse 19:02  So you have to be careful with foresight. So people kind of get into manifestation and things like that. So that is something that can happen it now It all depends on how, how open you are to intuition, and the power of it. And so like some people want to really hang on to research. And the research is simply not there yet, if you're open to saying the intuition, and your brain is a lot more powerful than we think that we can measure. So there's been a lot of instances in the people I've interviewed where they've manifested something or they, they believe that something can happen. And they and that happens. And the process to do this is is like this, from my from my perspective, you can have a goal that you want, make sure that's good, that goal is realistic. And so like you know, you don't want to hang your hat on it, I'm gonna make a million dollars, because that's an extrinsic goal. What's the intrinsic goal what what is really your purpose and when you have your purpose Number one effect people at a certain level, the laggard indicator, so to speak, could be the million dollars. So that's okay. But it's really driven by purpose, which is a future goal. What intuition helps you do is it helps you take the steps in the present moment, based on your signals that are going to help you connect with the right people, open the right doors of opportunity, take the right decisions in whatever situation that you're in. So that you meet your your purpose, which is really driven by a passion, it has to be your passion, it has to be internal. And when the purpose is to affect is, in my case, it's affect as many people as I want. In a nice case, it's it's help as many people with disabilities and illnesses as they can, in my other daughter's case, Divya, it's, you know, simply having a happy life. Right. So there's different purposes that we all have. And so that passion has to match with purpose. And when you trust your intuition in the moment and take those steps, in the moment guided by your intuitive signals, you start reaching those goals. And the best example I can give with this is, at least the one that I what I had was there was a there's a fellow that has cerebral palsy, and I went down to Toronto to invite him to interview him on leadership, because he's pretty high up in one of the banks. And what he was saying is he got a chance to go on the beach, of course, you know, he's always been in a wheelchair. And you know, he got down to the beach. And people lifted him up, because he wanted to put his feet in the water for this for the first time. And he got up and he fell flat on his face in the water. And he was embarrassed, he looked back. And he said, but like there's that intuitive moment that says I'm done. Versus No, I'm going to take the next steps. Because just because I make mistakes, I'm gonna learn from those mistakes. But it's the actions that matter. And they took one more step, one more step, and he kept going forward. And when he looked back, he couldn't believe how far he had come with this dream of just actually being in the water. And he was pointing his water was up to his chin. So he didn't look back. And so that's where the foresight came in. Right? Because he actually took that step. And he took the next step, and he took the next step. And he reached where he would need to reach. And that's we look back, people sit there dreaming of things like that, and actually making, you know, taking the time, they don't take the action, they don't take the steps, they don't trust their intuition to do that. And there's some statistics actually gathered from Gallup and Harvard, and you look at people actually raising their hand, saying, I want to make a change. There's a roomful of 25,000 people that are actually saying, Yes, I'm going to join that course, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that, I'm going to take this I'm gonna, I'm gonna change my life. In that room for the 25,000, the actual number of people that do it, statistically, is one. So that means 24,400 999. People say they're gonna do it, but they don't. So the question is, why aren't you that one?Ari Gronich 22:57  Right? So let me kind of take this in a interesting angle. But let's take let's say we're, we're, we're working on people's, you know, level of intuition when it comes to things like politics, when it comes to things like, what it is in the world, that should be being done, and what's not being done. So like, we have politicians that probably have a lot of intuition that they ignore, because of whatever interests, we have a lot of people who would be activists, this show is a lot about how to activate that vision for a better world. And a lot of people who are passionate about something, don't necessarily have the action that goes along with it, they might have the intuition to do that action, but the fear stops them. So let's just kind of get into that a little bit. I want to get really dirty with it. You know, like, let's get into the weeds a little bit more.Sunil Godse 24:20  Yep. So there's four intuitive hurdles, that really squash your ability to listen to the, to your intuitive signals, and they scramble it. And you talked about one which is fear. And there's actually three branches of fear. There's the fear of failure, there's the fear of the unknown, and there's the fear of change. And so what happens is, you have this intuitive signal, and it's different from the fear of, you know, being eaten by a saber toothed tiger. Right. So if you got that, that's coming, that's one fear. But these are where the signals are very important in coming up. So if you fear taking that first step, if you already know what your basket of positive and negative signals are by looking at the past, and you look at the good decisions you made, and you Look at the bad decisions you've made, and you've really broken them down, you've now got a really nice inventory of signals. And so if you fear taking that step you sit in the moment you think about what is my intuition telling me, and, you know, obviously, you know, I mean, you can talk about it, or you can just sit and think about it, right? If that signal is positive, then you take that step right before the end, and the next step and the next step. And pretty soon you start breaking that that fear down, because you get that confidence. And if it's not the right one, and you go down the wrong path, then you haven't done a very good job of checking in your negative signals, because maybe there's a signal that you haven't brought up as a negative signal, or you're not paying too much attention to the negative signal, because it's really subtle. And it would, because it was subtle. You ignored it the first time. So this is where you really need to take the time to figure out what your signals are. So fear is one of them. The second intuitive hurdle is it's called ego. And there's two types of ego, the one egos narcissism where you're talking without any experience, and of course, your intuition saying your blessing. The other side of ego is following the herd. So societal norms is when we follow the mantra follow the herd, even though it goes against your values, even though that's not what you didn't want to do. Me going into engineering is not what I wanted to do, I want to be an entrepreneur. And so I followed the herd and I wasted three years of my life in engineering, and it could have been three years I could have spent chasing an entrepreneurial dream. And so that's the second one. The third one which comes up a lot in relationships is being way too emotional. And when you're way too emotional, you upset the balance between rat being emotional and logic. And then you start talking yourself out of you know, leaving a relationship or getting away from this person, or, or things like that. And the fourth one is called being too rational, rational. And so this is where your logic dictates, you know, somebody is being logical to you. Yeah, that kind of makes sense, even though it's, it's pulling you away from what you're really meant to do. And so those are the four hurdles that come up. And what those hurdles do is they take, again, they take that positive, intuitive signal, and they squashes it, if you don't recognize when those hurdles are coming up. And so this is where you start getting to fear and you start getting into or we talked about extrinsic motivation, you know, are politicians wanting to, to be in the limelight or have a party or maybe they're doing it for the money, I really don't know what some of their motivations may be. But then they start being deceptive, right, they're still there. You know, we're want to be with corporations. These are just things I've seen in the media that come out, these aren't necessarily my beliefs, but but this is what happens when you get get into sort of these these practices where you're looking at extrinsic motivators is you're just wasting your time. Because you're, you're moving in a direction that's not really meant for you. And you don't have to be rich, you have it monetarily, you need to be rich inside, you know, I had Steve Sims was on my, my podcast interview. And we talked about extrinsic motivation. And, you know, this is a guy that was surrounded by Robert Redford and elton john, and all these people at this huge thing. And he got the watch and the suit and he, you know, got a Ferrari and all that stuff. And he was just saying, I just wasn't me. Right, who is this? This flake that took me over? And yes, he you know, he he's having you know, a hat. He's got his arms around all these actors are there they intuition is a two way street. So as much as his intuition saying something, the intuition of others is also looking to him. And they're probably saying this guy's a flake. So we're not going to do business with them. And they're not going to tell him that. And he started telling me when we talk about extrinsic motivation, he started telling me about a client of his, that was so rich, he had three jets, and he wanted to get the fourth jet, but he couldn't afford it. So he killed himself.So now, that's an extreme example, of extrinsic motivation. But we can all take these mini extreme examples of things that we hang our hat on square footage house, how is going to look? What brand should I buy? You know, we do it for the wrong motivations. If there's a brand you liked, because it fits nice, it's an you just, you know, that, you know, internally, whether you're doing it for the right reasons, or for the wrong reasons, you know, right. And so a lot of people will default sometimes to looking good. Or, you know, and unfortunately, that's a dopamine hit. Right? It's the wrong one.Ari Gronich 29:29  So we have we have this, this whole society, I've been watching the social dilemma and Silicon Valley and some of these shows, and we've created an entire society that's based on external motivation and external reward versus internal motivation, internal reward. You see, you know, the, the proliferation of the selfie. Yeah, is a perfect example of of this. It's awesome. About how am I looking and filters? I mean, gosh, the filters, it's all about how am I looking to the outside world, even though inside, I'm getting ready to go kill myself or I'm depressed, or I'm whatever, but I'm going to put out this look to the world that says that I'm something I'm not. And, you know, you know, it's funny because my intuition, you know, tells me a lot, I tend to to pay attention more than I don't. Yeah, although, you know, there's definitely that that level of intuition that I could use a deeper recognition of. But, you know, I'll give you an example of, of intuition. I was in the hospital dead for 26 minutes before they brought me back, I'm 18 years old. And three days later, I wake up in the hospital bed, I sit up, and I turned and I looked at, I don't remember who it was, but either my brother, my mom or something. And I said, I think I need to be a healer. Wow. Now, if I had stopped there, my entire life would have completely shifted. And I probably like my family would have gone to a university would have, you know, my brother's a triple major, double minor in four years Master's in one. I mean, you know, my mom's a teacher, education was was important. Instead of going to a college, I went to a massage school, like, but I had to go from the idea in the hospital of, I think I need to be a healer, to I'm sending out letters, I'm doing an action based on my intuition. And then from there, the intuition led me to the next place, the end, you know, the intuition is like, you get into that flow state versus getting, like most people, which is pounding through walls, right, we're obstacle driven versus flow driven. And every time I've done anything against my own intuition, which is often I become, you know, this obstacle Buster versus somebody who's like laying down in the flow. So just kind of talk about that a little bit. Because, you know, I would not have been who I am, I probably would not have been able to work with the kind of athletes and professionals and, you know, people in my world that I've, I've been blessed to have an opportunity to have an effect on. Yeah. But that was all because of that intuition. And then that action that went next to it.Sunil Godse 33:11  Absolutely. And so even as you're describing it, like, I can even just imagine you sitting up and it's actually playing in my head, you turn in your head, and to me, it's turning to the right, so I'm seeing you do this. And I can just imagine the look on the faces of people who just like, what you want to be a healer. And that's when you start to coming to people that don't really understand why or don't want to take the time to figure out why or to support you in that way moving forward. So that's where people normally could get stuck in that scene, or in that situation. When you start trusting intuition being in that flow state. Now you're seeing doors of opportunity open up, and so they're small, but there's these three or four doors that come in, and you open them up. So for you going into massage, I can see a whole bunch of people looking at that story going, What is he doing? Right? And so so many people get succumb to these external pressures, and you know, the voices, where they don't really understand the context around who you are, because every story comes with some kind of a context. Right? You know, and so this is where you just have to, again, that state of flow, you know, where it's going and going at, it feels easy, right? And you just set it so you've There's your positive signal, that state of flow, what happens is if you meet a door, that's not the one that you want to get into, there's an uneasiness to it and your language is already tells me you're pounding through. So just by the nature of your language, you're telling me the nature of that signal already. Right? And so you can feel that signal, right? I can feel it, you can give me whatever words, but in me, I'm feeling that flow. In me I'm feeling that that nx or there's a pushing against me, and and that that's that initial thing that you have to look at and you don't worry about But everybody else, and don't recognize that things are gonna change, right? I mean, you've gone from, you know, almost dying to being a massage therapist, and now, you know, athletes and all these really wonderful people trusting you for advice for their performance. And now you're looking at some high, high level elite people coming to you. Right? Right. So look at the value of that based on the journey you took. So when we talk about looking back, and looking forward, as we talked about earlier, all you did was look forward and you kept going down the path. Now, when you look back, of course, these people are going to trust you, because you followed your intuition to do the right thing. And, you know, nobody, everybody makes mistakes. I still I you know, as much as I talk about intuition, yeah, you know, I get emotional with my family, I get emotional with friends. You know, I'll make some decisions, I'll test something out at even though I knew that I shouldn't have and I did that with a venture that I said, this is not going to work. But let's test it, because I heard some things from some friends that it's a great venture, it ended up being the wrong partner. And it just wasn't but and I sunk a tiny bit of money in to test by intuition. And sure enough, you know, I just my intuition, so, you know, even me talking about it, is are going to go through ups and downs, but there's a lot more ups and the downs, and I don't have to be popular, I'm not looking to change the world. You know, as a whole, I'm just looking to change one person at a time. And that's it. And to me, that's how I'm gonna live my life. Right? I'm not looking to get make it in Forbes, or, you know, men's journal, or whatever it is, if those opportunities come because people are interested to hear my story. That's the intuitive path. But I'm not looking there for egotistical reasons to say, look at who I am, right. And if you get back to social media, right, with these people that, you know, somebody posted this two days ago, where they spent money on an influencer that had 8 million followers, 8 million followers, the number of sales that this person had after spending, I don't know, $50,000 was something like 26. Right. And I've heard that consistent. Somebody had, you know, 10 million followers, they wants to sell shirts, six sales. And it's because when you have that social media, when you're looking at eye candy, yeah, okay, maybe some of us are gonna stop at that eye candy, go, Wow, that's great. But you don't have a deepening deep enough a relationship with someone that are going, that's deep enough to say, you're consistent in your messaging. Like, even if you stop one on something, you see the charlatans on social media, I'm gonna make a million dollar, you can make million dollars or $1,000, or whatever it get 20,000, or whatever it is, you get this messaging, it may pause you saying, Yeah, I want that. And then when you dig a bit deeper, you find that there's some inconsistency is in either what they're saying, or who their clients are, or the testimonials because I do this research. Or, you know, maybe something's not right, something's not lining up. And if you, if there's something that's inconsistent, now you've lost that deepening relationship, like you really have to be consistent in that relationship, to deepen to a two way trusted, intuitive relationship, that my intuition saying you can be trusted your intuition saying, I can be trusted, when that's two way, now I'm ready to spend my money on you, or spend my time with you, or spend my effort with you. Because I trust you, and that trust has to be consistent. If your values change over time, my intuition is going to pick up on that. So you can be in the perfect relationships to start business or personal. But don't forget, we're two different people. I may be more in tune with your intuition you may not be and if you start screwing up somewhere down the road, don't forget my intuition, my relational intuition and situational intuition is constantly watching, right. And so when there's a dichotomy, my negative signals are going to send warning sign science to say, listen, maybe we should back off. Yeah, soAri Gronich 38:51  so the song as you're talking comes to my head. Yeah, I'm gonna sing it even though I can't do it. Justice. You're too jaded. Yes, Aerosmith. jaded. Yep. Right. So okay, we have intuition we get jaded we get once intuition still jaded. Twice. Yep. intuition. Still jaded. Three, two, all of a sudden, how do you trust your intuition anymore if you're constantly becoming jaded. So I'll give you an example. I think that I am jaded when it comes to pretty much any digital marketer at this point in time. I think that the digital marketing world for the most part has become this fraudulent thing that you know purports on. Basically procedures versus results, just like the medical system. You know, the incentive is, if I post three times a day, then you pay me this amount, but if I post five, which doesn't take me any more time to do then it's a totally different amount and I don't care what your results are because I can't guarantee him, because you know, so I'm fully jaded when it comes to that world at this point.Sunil Godse 40:07  Yep. So I'll give you this is right up my alley, because this is something I've been looking at, you know, because that's part of the business model that I have, you know, there's a digital marketing element to it. So when I, and this has taken a number of years, because of the jadedness and the number of charlatans that are out there, and people that I trusted, that some of them have, you know, taken my money, because they were trusting at some point, but then you find out later that, you know, this is not so, so, so valuable, because I can get that free information anywhere else. Right. Some of the things that I've looked at is, uh, when they come up this I can do you know, Facebook, I'm a digital marketing expert. Okay, so what's their digital marketing footprint? So they're good in Facebook? What's your Instagram, say? What's their YouTube say? And I'll take a look at the numbers and some of the clients numbers, who they say and some cases when they have testimonials, I've actually looked at the people where the testing was coming from if I can, and some of them like, just Yeah, I don't see that success. I don't see this. And in one case, there was I had a podcast guest where he had some really excellent numbers on YouTube. And when the when the cameras are off, I asked him about his like, was she really someone who and why, right? If you spent money on someone for YouTube advice, why did you do that? And I'm looking and listening to what what he was saying, as his marketing speak, or does he really is really telling me the truth, because in the end, it's my money and my time. Another one I've seen again, what's what's up, I just had a really good example. Shoot, I wish I had anyways, it may come to me. But it's, again, it's the inconsistency in what they're saying versus what they're doing. Or it's one niche that they've really, really been been good at. It's not my niche, or they've been good in one area, they've had one hit with it, what's one homerun doesn't make them a great baseball player. And so I'm looking for those kind of consistencies, and in consistencies, because ultimately, you know, I want to put my my money where I want, where I'm going to get the best best bang for my buck. But thatAri Gronich 42:14  sounds a lot like assessing a situation and environment instead of assessing the into assessing the environment versus utilizing intuition. Right. So intuition, to me, is that inner voice, while what you're talking about is looking at the external evidence. And so that's where I'm where i i'd like to, so that what what I'm hearing you say is, you take the intuition, you match it with evidence before you make that decision, right? So so not sure if that's what you're saying, that's just what I'm hearing?Sunil Godse 42:51  Yeah, so so I'll always get the first instance of whether I trust this person or not. So the very, very first time I see an ad, or the very first time I see someone doing well, or I hear podcasts, interview somebody doing something, I'll try and get a sense of whether I believe that person or not, if I don't believe that person, right up start, then that person's lost me, I'm not even gonna dive in any more deeper. But for me to I need to believe that person. Remember, those are the four types of intuition. And so, so the first one is relational intuition, is going to be me trusting that person right away. And the second is situational is, if I find there, and I like a fancy beach and a car. Those kinds of things that are tried and true, are they using mantras that everybody said you should do that, like some people waving high to get your attention, and, you know, there's some real stupid things that are out there that are just that they're not deepening my relationship. So if they've got me enough that I see this person is genuine, and I'm gonna get a deep enough relationship with and I trust them? I'll take that. take the next step and say, Okay, let's see what experiential intuition has to do with this. Before I move on, and it that it takes it's very quick. it for me, it's, it's really, you know, if somebody comes up, I hear someone on the podcast, I will note their name down, I will quickly stop the podcast and I'll take a look. within one minute, I'll know whether I want to dive deeper into what this person is saying or not. Right? So 60 seconds, is what I give myself. And the research actually shows it takes seven seconds to trust someone. Seven seconds and other research was showing this is all the research that your intuition acts actually, at that time, seven to 10 seconds before you actually make a decision or take an action. neurology research that's coming up neuroscience research is coming up hasn't been published yet. That's as up to 23 seconds before you actually make a decision. So for me, I'm giving myself a bit of time to really confirm my intuitive, should I dive deeper or not? And it for me it's 60 seconds versus I think, rather than you know, A couple of days or four days, and if I if I don't get that within that 60 is gone. I don't care what that person is selling me later or if they get recommended by someone else, because that intuitive hit in my mind is really deep. And so that's why I really don't listen to a lot of them. I mean, there's so many pitches up there. Hmm.Ari Gronich 45:20  So I'm going to go into the animal kingdom for a second, because you mentioned the neurology. Yep. You know, we all know that a dog can kind of predict an earthquake a couple days in advance. Yeah. And we all know that we're animals, even though we try to pretend that we're not. Right. Yep. So is that a function of intuition? Or is that a function of sensory? If it's a function of sensory? How does somebody increase their sensory perception in order to increase their intuition? And if that is possible at all, and then I want to talk a little bit, I know that you and I talked in our pre interview about the the Native Americans. So I want to talk about the neurology and I want to I want to I want to get into the fMRI is what parts of the brain kind of light up when you're being intuitive? Is that a different part of the brain when the intuition is positive or negative? So let's get into kind of the weeds of that a little bit.Sunil Godse 46:24  Yeah, absolutely. So, so the when you're thinking about it, and I think that's a great example, with, with the dogs and all that, because animals are naturally a little bit more intuitive, they're a lot more, there's a heightened sensitivity to their environment. And so I think physiologically, they're much better than we are, or neurologically, they're much better than we are, they are better adept at sensing and triggering on that sensing, then we are, we seem to be more consumed with everything else around us, we've got a lot more things bombarding us that we seem to numb that initial sensing that the real intuitive signal saying something's wrong, and we have a tendency to keep moving, maybe it's curiosity, maybe we're just numb to the initial signals, whatever it is, we have this this innate ability to just keep moving on until we keep making bad decisions. And we seem to want to learn from failure a lot more. Whereas animals have that heightened sense, neurologically. And so they're able to be much more in tune with, with their intuition. And so we were talking on the pre interview as well, when I had this indigenous person join me on intuition, he was saying that what they used to do is look to the animals because the animals sense danger a couple of days before, they did, and at that time, you know, they didn't have cars and things like that they just had a couple of days warning that they had to pick up, you know, pack everything and move, because there was some kind of danger that was there. And they're not going to sit around saying what that sum is. They're just kind of move. And so it's very, very important for them to do that.Ari Gronich 48:02  Right. So we were talking on the pre interview about the Native Americans. Yeah. And how in Vietnam, during the war, may have even been Korea, I don't remember if if it was both, but they would have the Native Americans who joined the military, and were known for their tracking skills. But because it's the military, they would shave off their hair. Yeah. And when they would go into the jungle, they wouldn't be able to do the tracking, like they had been before. So as we're tracking the enemy, and we're trying to be the scouts, so to speak, not to put a defamatory, you know, title on anything, but Indian scouts would go out for the military and try to find the enemy and and so on. And they couldn't do it. But what they found when they studied that is that the only difference between them being able to track well and not track well was the length of their hair. And if they allowed them to grow back their hair, all of a sudden, they were able to track again. So the hair follicles attached to the nervous system we have these muscles called the erector pili which otherwise are known as goosebumps. And we have the sayings like the hair on the back of my head is standing up so we know that hair has a sensory perception on the environment. And what do we say if somebody is nervous? If somebody's nervous like my hair standing up, get the aren't your you know those goosebumps on your arm you get the chills right these are signals to into Are they not?Sunil Godse 50:01  Yes they are. And so when we got off the phone, I immediately went to my wife and I told her about that story because and my daughter's I just absolutely fascinating. But here's where where people may want to try and understand what intuition is like from a scientific perspective. We all know that everything is consists of energy. Yeah, right. And so we've got, you know, atoms and protons, neurons moving around. And they, they develop some kind of energy and Kerwin Ray explained intuition in back in 2007, using sort of energetic type of things. And we all know that even any material, there's, there's its mass and energy. And so when you have here that's a little longer, you've got a lot more energy around you, that affects you, that's able to pick up on things that are able to sense things. And so there's also another famous experiment that one of the neurologists did I forget his name now, but he had people who had their limbs cut off and use things of mirror neurons, the front to see them in a mirror, where they can actually now see the other limb, although it's not there, and feel, okay. So these things called mirror neurons are sending some kind of energy so that it's just giving, it's settling their systems down. And so another question I used to ask myself to some of my podcast guests, is, were you ever connected to someone where you knew something had gone wrong? And so when Nick Bradley was on saying, Yeah, he knew his dog got shot, and he was nowhere close, someone had his newest father had cancer, someone knew that they, you know, somebody fell in a pool, and they're halfway around the world. So if you look at equating this to some kind of an emotional connection, energetically between now the mirror neurons, that other person that's carried in some kind of memory in your brain, so that you're not physically there. But you're energetically connected at a very fast pace, irrespective of the distance. And so if you're, if you allow yourself to open your mind to that, then a lot of these things can be explained.Ari Gronich 52:03  So how can we energetically then connect to the collective unconscious and the collective consciousness? And I know, this is a thing like with twins, they always know what's going on with their other half. You know, those kinds of things. But we also know that some kid woke up one day and remembered that he was, you know, in the 1940s War, and he knew exactly who he fought in the war with. Yep. And they were still alive. And then he met them like this. I remember reading this story is Wow, really fascinating. This kid, you know, has basically past life is like many lives, many masters great book, by the way. You know, you have these this past life, he's actually telling the soldiers who are now in their 80s, and he's a young kid, about their experiences that he had with them during the war. Wow. And so that energetic connection we call it that this is their old life that they're energetically connected to one of my favorite movies is a movie called dead again, it's got Robin Williams Kenneth Branagh, and it's about people who die in in a previous life and find each other in the next in their next life, but they meet somebody else who was alive in their in both lives. So it's a theme, I guess, that I'm always interested in intrigued by. But that collective conscious collective unconscious, that energetic pull that we have. The question is, why can't we seem to get that intuition more developed? I guess, after these many 1000s of years, being that we're so connected by wires this these days, right, and wireless, and then where is it that in the neurons where's it in the brain in those connections that we light up? You know, with intuition, I mean, yeah,Sunil Godse 54:25  absolutely. So from a neurological perspective, the big thing is the amygdala, and and just above the amygdala on the on both sides of the brain. And I can always share with you a, an MRI that I have, if you want to use it for your purses, but where they mapped intuition, but the big one comes up into Mickey less when they neurons come up the amygdala is the first thing that's where you kind of feel it's the first fight or flight. Everything happens from there, and then it branches off from there. So that's one of the main new areas where intuition really lights up and a couple of things in thatAri Gronich 54:56  frontal that's really the reptilian side.Sunil Godse 54:58  Exactly, exactly. The reptilian That's, that's the first sort of point of contact, if you will. And you write with the, you know, with this where things are passed down. I actually did interview a Buddhist monk, and Bunty Serna. Bala had had believed that intuition gets passed down from generation to generation. Because it's energy. And I think the reason why we don't is you've kind of set it, we're in this wireless wired world, we've got societal norms, we're always trying to keep up with the Joneses. And we just haven't spent that time with ourselves. And a lot of intuitive moments have come from those just, you know, going to India, or being with themselves. And going to India is more symbolic of just really getting in touch with themselves. I mean, Steve Jobs did it. I interviewed this Johannes Linstead, he was a major jazz players won tons of awards, intuition just drives his music. And he's got millions of downloads, and you know, everything changed after he went to India, right. And this is Beatles to the Beatles, or Beatles. Absolutely. And, and so that India's is symbolic of you just spending that time with yourself. And if you look at even the research in epigenetics, where you're looking at things that are passed down from one generation to another, there's a very famous study where they took mice, and what it is when this, this mice came to this, this type of flower, at cherry blossom flower that has some kind of almond smell, it was very, very particular, they would shock the feet of these mice to the point where they didn't need to shock the feet anymore, that they just came up to that flower, and they just jolted. And it turns out, that the next generation, they didn't have to do anything every time that their the the the babies went to this same flower, they jolted right. So there's that line of epigenetic, same, okay, we have some things in our genes that we've been conditioned to, in this lifetime, that we're going to pass on to the next generation. We just don't know what that is, or what that map is. I'm sure everybody would love to do that. Because then we kind of act like robots say that I'm doing this for my son or daughter. But there's some evidence there that that you can correlate to say that yes, you know, intuition does get passed down. And but it, it all depends on how you're going to be affected. Like I can pass down my intuitive abilities to my kids. But it depends on what their influences are. They're in school eight hours a while now they're at home. They've got other friends, they've got other influences. How do they as an individual react to all those other influences, even though I've given them this gift of intuition, however minor or major, they've taken it. And it's really up to them as an individual as to how they manage that, how much they fail and figure out they got to come back to intuition. I mean, I'm lucky that I'm able to talk to this talk about this to my two daughters. But, I mean, how rare is that, right? I mean, nobody talked to me about intuition. And I had an intuitive hit at five years old. When I was five, my dad had video games that were too expensive. And this voice told me, that's not what you want to go up here. And you need to go door to door to raise money. And that's what I did. I took my little brother until I went door to door I raised 200 bucks. $100 went to my dad $100 went to charity, I couldn't sat down a sit down for about probably about 15 or 20 minutes after that, because my dad didn't believe in, in, you know, bothering people. But I so distinctly remember that voice, loud and clear. I remember what I'm looking at where I was, where my house was, it is so vivid, and five years old. Right? You had seven, right?Ari Gronich 58:34  Yeah, I look at that and I go What is the cost and this is directed towards the audience. And by the way, you know, all of these shows that we do are for you listening, so that you really can get these techniques and tips and tricks so that you can spend your life living the passionate life that you want activating your vision. So I just wanted to repeat that you know, for anybody to like subscribe rate review, but mostly to comment on on the shows so that we can actually have a dialogue and conversation about what we're talking about. So back to that so what it sounds like to me when you're saying that is that intuition beyond just the the training beyond the genetics, can be learned. What can be taught can be you know, focused on but what it is that I'm hearing is I'm hearing in my head, but I have to look at all my emails but I have to you know, check my social media and my Instagram but I have to watch the latest show of this but I have to have in mind you I don't have a TV so this is not in my right you know, realm but this is the The argument that I'm hearing from the masses, right? Yep, yep. And that's why I bring it up to the audience. But the argument I hear from the masses are but but but but I have to do doo doo doo, doo. Now I, I've been a sweat lodge goer and vision Questor and things like that. And so I've spent a lot of time with myself. I've been divorced. And I spent a lot of time with myself and Amir wailing and crying for hours and hours and hours, right, I've spent a lot of time on myself. And I still don't know who I am, you know, and who I want to be when I grow up, I know I want to have a cool impact on the world, I don't really care if I have the credit for it, I just want to see it done. Right. My goal is we need to get some shit done. And it's time for us to really move on that and create it today, you know, create our new tomorrow today, and activate our vision now for a better world. And so I've got that this passion about doing more, I don't care about the credit. I know, I remember, you know, earlier in the conversation, you were talking about that. But for the audience, you know, like spending time alone. So one of the things that my my shaman told me, during a sweat lodge one time is his, he said 18 seconds of pure meditation is equivalent to an entire week of work. Wow. And this was from a Zen monk that used to go to the sweat lodge. And he would say that he would get into a deeper state of meditation in the sweat lodge than he would just by trying to meditate, according to Hoyle, so to speak, just be you know, you're in a dark room, and you really don't have anything you can look at or see or focus on other than the those hot stones in the steam and the heat. But I'm 18 seconds of pure thought, equivalent to one full week of work. And I think that if people understood how important that hour of meditation and planning before and at the end of your day, you know, half hour before half hour at the end, whatever, whatever it is time wise, that little bit of time to meditate on what your day is going to be to ask the question my friend, Keith, he's a journalist, book, author, publisher. I mean, he's awesome. His latest book is about the angels and walking, it's called walking with angels. And one of the things that he's done, and this has been probably 1520 years that I've known him, he's done this all the time is

Hi, I am here with Richard Flint. He is the author of 19 books and speaker, trainer and coach to over 10,000 individuals, he have dedicated his life to helping others break free and create the life of their dreams, Specializing in the training and development of individuals, companies and associations.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY RICHARD FLINT FOR MORE INFOhttps://www.richardflint.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:07  Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host Ari Gronich. Remember to Like, Subscribe rate review, comment below so that we can start conversations that matter and help you create a new tomorrow today. I've got with me today, Richard Flint. He is a 30 plus year veteran of the lecturing circuits. He is the author of over 19 books, and has great ability to adapt, adjust, align, and these changing times he just opened up a learning center this last week. So Richard, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself how you got to be who you are? And why, why are these people listening to you?Richard Flint 0:56  All right. We live in we live in interesting times right now, where people are being challenged at a level that they've never been challenged to before. And if you had asked me 30 plus years ago, what I would be doing with my life today, I probably have told you that I would be teaching at some University. And with my education, I did my undergraduate work in English and speech, I have a master's in ethics. And then I have PhDs in philosophy and psychology. When I finished graduate school, I went and taught at Ohio University for a couple of years and then moved to Wayne State University in Detroit, and left there and went to the stamper First Baptist Church in West Palm Beach, Florida, very large church, where I ran the counseling division for them. Church had some internal struggles, I left there and ran a private Counseling Center in the palm beaches for several years. And already while I was doing that, I wrote some magazine articles, I got some international attention. And I started getting groups of women that would ask me, would you come share your philosophies with this because I'm known for my philosophies. And I did that on a limited basis for a year and a half. And then I woke up one morning and realized this was a once in a lifetime opportunity. And that was 32 years ago. And for the past 32 years, I have traveled this globe. sharing my philosophies, my thoughts, my ideas, my processes, with people, if I've been given one gift in life, is the ability to take what looks confusing to you, and show you the simple process to get to the other side of it.Ari Gronich 2:45  Yeah, you know, I have these conversations a lot with my with my seven year old, it's kind of interesting about choices and about what we choose to do, and the results that come from it. You know, you mentioned we're in changing and interesting times, I think that pretty much every time period is interesting times to the people who live in them. I've always said that Mad Men are, you know, your geniuses are mad men to the societies they live in. It takes generations before they get recognized as the geniuses that they are. And, and so it's interesting, I don't feel like we live in, in changing an interesting times. I feel like it's an extension of what we've already created. And, and, you know, my philosophy, as you say is that we made this shit up and we can do better. Everything we see is a figment of our imagination, we created it in our mind. And what I'm hearing you say is that we can easily readily use that imagination and use our mind to shift our perspectives and adapt and change and adjust to the world that we see in front of us.Richard Flint 4:11  Well, you and I every day the choices that we make, are based on which which direction we choose to live, we the live from our emotions up our mind down. And if I live from my emotions up, then I I sort of limit my ability to think because from my emotions up, I'm going to react because from my emotions up, the foundation of my life is is about me doubting, worrying and feeling uncertain. And when I have those three as the foundation of my living process, then I'm going to react to everything that happens.Ari Gronich 4:51  So let's let's like unpack this a little bit because I think a lot of people would say that Living in your mind is basically living in a figment of your imagination of what's not reality. And your emotions are what tell you, you know what the truth is. So whether you're passionate about something or whether you're angry about something, it tells you kind of the path of your resistance versus your mind, which may logically have all the numbers in place. But there's something not right. And if you don't listen to that, other than you can get lost. So let's unpack this so that people know what we're kind of talking about what you're talking about, so that there's more clarity to that and how to implement that into somebody's life.Richard Flint 5:53  My mind is a sketchpad. And my mind, everything that I am created with my life began as a thought that I began to process and I have sketched it out. I'm a collector of hand carved wooden ducks. And several years ago, I was in Big Bear California doing a program. And the lady who had brought me in to speak to her company says, I'm going to take you over and show you something. So she took me over to a carving studio of a gentleman that that's what he did, he carved hand carved wooden ducks. So we were talking, he said, I want to show you something. So he took me into his studio, and on the table was a block of wood. He said, What are you looking at, and I said, I'm looking at a block of wood. He says, I'm looking at a duck. I said, I'll buy it. Because if we lose our imagination, then we lose our ability to see forward. But if I'm strong mentally, I can work through the emotions.Ari Gronich 7:00  That's interesting. And I like what you're saying, because obviously, this show is called create a new tomorrow. And in order to do that, you have to leave yesterday behind, I do have a firm belief that you have to learn from yesterday in order to properly leave it behind. However, you know, that's kind of the idea. So let's, let's break apart. Today is not yesterday, this sentence that that you placed in here, today is not yesterday, and we must be willing to do what needs to be done to prepare. So let's break apart that sentence into actionable things that somebody can actually do rather than just the concept. Okay?Richard Flint 7:47  First thing is my definition of yesterday, yesterday is a reference library, not a room to live. Can you and I airy, we've both known people who have chosen to live in yesterday, because of their their fear and the from, from the day I was born to the day I die, I'm going to battle six fears. And one of these six is going to be my number one fear. And if I don't control my fear, then I become a hostage to yesterday, there is no fear in today until I bring it out of yesterday. You know, you've got the fear of the unknown, which is rampid. Today. I mean, the people I'm talking to, they just they're they're challenged because they're used to having this routine of their life. And they're used to being able to control their life, but all of a sudden, that's sort of been removed from them. So if I take that away, then they're looking at an unknown. And there's fear in that. There's the fear of abandonment, that I'll be left. There's the fear of rejection, that people aren't gonna like me, the fear of failure, which is huge. The fear of loss, which is all about price tag you're willing to pay. And then there's the fear of success, which to me is the number one fear with young people today,Ari Gronich 9:08  when you're talking about leaving yesterday behind, but using it as a reference library. How many people you know, and I know that we'll get an emotional trigger from a story, right? So they'll read a book fiction, we'll call it a fictional book. They'll read a fictional book. It'll evoke their emotions, they'll feel angry, they'll feel sad, they'll feel loved, they'll feel feel all kinds of feelings, right, from listening to that story. So the question becomes how do you turn a reference library into something other than a place to go have a pity party?Richard Flint 9:51  Well, it a lot of that depends on what I'm looking for. You know, I, I read a book The other day, and it was it was an emotional book. And I found myself on emotion with emotions. And when I finished the book, The question I asked myself is, what triggered these emotions? And what triggered the emotions and there was the story that reminded me of my childhood, which opened up a world of feelings. And the way that I was handled that is I've already worked through those emotions. Most people, except yesterday, they don't challenge yesterday. And if you never challenge yesterday, then it's difficult to learn from yesterday.Ari Gronich 10:44  That was really fascinating. And and I appreciate that. We're talking about working from mental down mind down, that doesn't necessarily, you know, mean, that you're not utilizing your emotions. Correct. Right. And so if you're not necessarily utilizing them as a hindrance, you're using them as a tool, how do you begin using the emotions that typically would be to tear down to build up? So things like anger and frustration and rage and all those things? How do you use those to your benefit versus your destruction?Richard Flint 11:38  Oh, you got to know where those emotions are coming from. Most of the emotions that the emotions that you were experienced in the day are coming from some experience from your yesterday that you've never dealt with. I believe that anything you don't complete in life has continuation. And when I was in the world of doing counseling, you know, people would come to me and they would be, they would be angry. And but they didn't understand where their anger was coming from. So what we did, we would have to find the beginning point of that anger, they never dealt with it. And if you don't deal with negative emotions, all you do is increase their power in your life. And once we can find and locate where that anger is coming from, then we can work thereAri Gronich 12:32  is are your programs going to be evergreen? Are you turning them into evergreen programs? And the reason I asked that is, I don't know exactly when your episode is going to air. And so I just want to make sure that the information is either going to be retroactively you know, available for them if if it's evergreen or not. I just want to make sure that they have the option of finding that so are you going to turn that into an available recording?Richard Flint 13:04  Yes, we record everything we do will be there. Okay. Awesome.Ari Gronich 13:10  That way in case you know, this is after January. We we don't losing anybody, you know. We don't want to lose anybody in translation. SoRichard Flint 13:24  if they've got a Richard Flint, calm, everything they need to know about me is right there.Ari Gronich 13:29  Awesome. Very nice. Thank you so much for being here. Richard. This has been another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host, Ari Gronich, and we will create a new tomorrow today every day and activate our vision for a better world. Please do remember to LIKE subscribe, rate, review comment so that we can start conversations that matter and help you to create your new tomorrow today.

Hi, I am here with Richard Flint. He is the author of 19 books and speaker, trainer and coach to over 10,000 individuals, he have dedicated his life to helping others break free and create the life of their dreams, Specializing in the training and development of individuals, companies and associations.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY RICHARD FLINT FOR MORE INFOhttps://www.richardflint.com/JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:00  I'm Ari, Gronich, and this is create a new tomorrow podcast.Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host Ari Gronich. Remember to like subscribe rate review, comment below so that we can start conversations that matter and help you create a new tomorrow today. I've got with me today, Richard Flint. He is a 30 plus year veteran of the lecturing circuits. He is the author of over 19 books, and has great ability to adapt, adjust, align, and these changing times he just opened up a learning center this last week. So Richard, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself how you got to be who you are? And why. Why are these people listening to you?Richard Flint 1:04  Alright, we live in we live in interesting times right now, where people are being challenged at a level that they've never been challenged before. And if you had asked me 30 plus years ago, what I would be doing with my life today, I'd probably have told you that I would be teaching at some University. And with my education, I did my undergraduate work in English and speech, I have a master's in ethics. And then I have PhDs in philosophy and psychology. When I finished graduate school, I went and taught at Ohio University for a couple of years and then moved to Wayne State University in Detroit, and left there and went to the staffer First Baptist Church in West Palm Beach, Florida, very large church, where I ran the counseling division for them. Church had some internal struggles, I left there and ran a private Counseling Center in the palm beaches for several years. And I read while I was doing that, I wrote some magazine articles, I got some international attention. And I started getting groups of women that would ask me, would you come share your philosophies with this, because I'm known for my philosophies. And I did that on a limited basis for a year and a half. And then I woke up one morning and realized this was a once in a lifetime opportunity. And that was 32 years ago. And for the past 32 years, I have traveled this globe. sharing my philosophies, my thoughts, my ideas, my processes, with people, if I've been given one gift in life, is the ability to take what looks confusing to you, and show you the simple process to get to the other side of it. People do not have to struggle, they struggle by choice. And if you live a life of struggle, then that's all you think your life's going to be. But if you want to move beyond that and get out of the circle of sameness, you can also do that. You know, life is all about choices. It's about the choices we make, because every choice creates a direction.Ari Gronich 3:18  Yeah, you know, I have these conversations a lot with my with my seven year old, it's kind of interesting about choices and about what we choose to do, and the results that come from it. You know, you mentioned we're in changing and interesting times, I think that pretty much every time period is interesting times to the people who live in them. I've always said that Mad Men are, you know, your geniuses are mad men to the societies they live in. It takes generations before they get recognized as the geniuses that they are. And, and so it's interesting. I don't feel like we live in in changing an interesting times. I feel like it's an extension of what we've already created. And, and, you know, my philosophy, as you say is that we made this shit up and we can do better. Everything we see is a figment of our imagination, we created it in our mind. And what I'm hearing you say is that we can easily readily use that imagination and use our mind to shift our perspectives and adapt and change and adjust to the world that we see in front of us.Richard Flint 4:43  Well, you and I every day the choices that we make, are based on which which direction we choose to live. We the live from our emotions up, our mind down and if I live from my emotions up then I I sort of limit my ability to think. Because if my emotions up, I'm going to react. Because from my emotions up, the foundation of my life is, is about me doubting, worrying and feeling uncertain. And when I have those three, as the foundation of my living process, then I'm going to react to everything that happens. If I'm living from my mind down, then what do I do, I have a foundation of belief in myself, trust in myself, and the competence, the faith, that I can continue to move my life forward. throughout life, many people move in between those two foundations. And this is why some days, their life is great. And other days, their life is just a mess.Ari Gronich 5:51  So let's let's like unpack this a little bit. Because I think a lot of people would say that living in your mind is basically living in a figment of your imagination of what's not reality. And your emotions are what tell you, you know, what the truth is. So whether you're passionate about something, or whether you're angry about something, it tells you kind of the path of your resistance versus your mind, which may logically have all the numbers in place, but there's something not right. And if you don't listen to that other, then you can get lost. So let's unpack this so that people know what we're kind of talking about what you're talking about, so that there's more clarity to that and how to implement that into somebody's life.Richard Flint 6:53  My mind is a sketchpad. And my mind, everything that I am created with my life, began as a thought that I began to process and I have sketched it out. I'm a collector of hand carved wooden ducks. And several years ago, I was in Big Bear California doing a program. And the lady who had brought me in to speak to her company says, I'm going to take you over and show you something. So she took me over to a carving studio of a gentleman that that's what he did, he carved hand carved wooden ducks. So we were talking, he said, I want to show you something. So he took me into his studio, and on the table was a block of wood. He said, What are you looking at, I said, I'm looking at a block of wood. He says, I'm looking at a duck. I said, I'll buy it. Because if we lose our imagination, then we lose our ability to see forward. Now, granted, every day of our life is going to involve emotions. But if my mind is strong, in my belief, my trust and my faith in myself, then I can see beyond the fog that I'm living in. So then what happens with my mind strong, it then allows me to have the emotions that will support what it is I'm working on. But if I'm living from my emotions up, then my mind will give me an idea. But if my emotions are the strongest, then what I'm going to do, I'm going to become negative, and what's negative, I doubt what's negative, I spent too much time worrying about I live in a world where everything is uncertain. So I can't see beyond the fog that I'm living in. And, you know, I've worked with hundreds of people and have worked with them, and as a mentor in their life. And the thing that I find in people is that because of something that happens in their life, they lose that belief, that trust and that faith in their self. And when they do that, then they slip into a world of being afraid to let go if yesterday to step out of yesterday. But with my my belief, my trust and my faith in myself, I can step forward, because I know that I can because I'm committed to getting something done. And that's where my creativity comes from. It's my mind as a sketchpad, believing in myself and my emotions, giving me those positive emotions, that that strengthened me now, sure, I'm going to go through negative times. But if I'm strong mentally, I can work through the emotions.Ari Gronich 9:49  That's interesting. And I like what you're saying because obviously the show is called create a new tomorrow. And in order to do that, you have to leave Yesterday behind, I do have a firm belief that you have to learn from yesterday in order to properly leave it behind. However, you know, that's kind of the idea. So let's, let's break apart. Today is not yesterday, this sentence that that you placed in here, today is not yesterday, and we must be willing to do what needs to be done to prepare. So let's break apart that sentence into actionable things that somebody can actually do rather than just the concept.Richard Flint 10:35  Okay? First thing is my definition of yesterday, yesterday is a reference library, not a room to live. And you and I, airy, we've both known people who have chosen to live in yesterday, because of their their fear and the from, from the day I was born to the day I die, I'm going to battle six fears. And one of these six is going to be my number one fear. And if I don't control my fear, then I become a hostage to yesterday, there is no fear in today until I bring it out of yesterday. You know, you've got the fear of the unknown, which is rampid. Today. I mean, the people I'm talking to, they just they're they're challenged, because they're used to having this routine of their life. And they're used to being able to control their life, but all of a sudden, that's sort of been removed from them. So if I take that away, then they're looking at an unknown. And there's fear in that. There's the fear of abandonment, that I'll be left, there's the fear of rejection, that people aren't gonna like me, the fear of failure, which is huge. The fear of loss, which is all about price tag you're willing to pay. And then there's the fear of success, which to me is the number one fear with young people today. And the only thing I have is today. And my definition of today is dependent on what I've taken from yesterday, if I see it as that reference library, and I can open those file cabinets of yesterday, and I can find the lessons that I believe in and bring them forward, then I'm laying the foundation for a today where I can succeed. And if I succeed today, and I have that process, then I'm actually preparing for tomorrow. But if I'm living in yesterday, all I have is where I've been. And without that, I don't have a real definition of where I can go except backwards. Stand still.Unknown Speaker 12:45  SoAri Gronich 12:47  when you're talking about leaving yesterday behind, but using it as a reference library, how many people you know, and I know that we'll get an emotional trigger from a story, right? And so they'll read a book fiction, call it a fictional book, they'll read a fictional book, it'll evoke their emotions, they'll feel angry, they'll feel sad, they'll feel loved, they'll feel feel all kinds of feelings, right, from listening to that story. So the question becomes how do you turn a reference library into something other than a place to go have a pity party?Richard Flint 13:30  Well, it a lot of that depends on what I'm looking for. You know, I, I read a book The other day, and it was it was an emotional book. And I found myself on emotion with emotions. And when I finished the book, The question I asked myself is, what triggered these emotions? And what triggered the emotions and there was the story that reminded me of my childhood, which opened up a world of feelings. And the way that I was handled that is I've already worked through those emotions. Most people except yesterday, they don't challenge yesterday. And if you never challenge yesterday, then it's difficult to learn from yesterday. me when I was when I was 16 years old, my parents gave me a suitcase. adoptive parents gave me a suitcase and Tommy have been nice. No and me. And I have physically been on my own since I was 16. Only thing I ever know about my natural mother is that she was a prostitute in New Orleans. And she didn't want me so I was given away the home that I was adopted into. I never heard my dad talk. My dad and my mother ruled our house. And from the age of six to the age of 16. My mother used to make one of three states Listen to me consistently, you're stupid. You'll never amount to anything. And I'm sorry we ever adopted you. And, you know, children, the what they learned in life is what they get from their parents. And I spent years trying to prove to my mother, she was wrong. And when I was a sophomore in college, I went home to confront my mom and dad, when my mom saw me, she walked out the back door of the house, got in her car and drove off. never said a word to me. But that was one of the greatest freedom points I've ever had in my life, because it showed me nothing I could ever do, would earn her love. So right there, and then I stopped trying to prove to her and so much, so much of the downfall with people is that they spend too much time trying to prove their self to other people. And most of what we're trying to prove comes from our yesterday. That's why yesterday is important, as a reference library, to learn to understand the experience, to extract the lesson to bring the lesson in to today. And I tell people every day, I want three things for you, I want you to be better than what you are, I want you to be smarter than you think you are. And I want you to be strong enough to handle what life throws at you. And if you have got at your foundation, life will come at you. But then we put the word in place that is the control word of life pace. When I am living from my emotions up, my pace is out of control. When I'm living from my mind down, I'm in control of the pace of my life, which means I'm in control of my life.Unknown Speaker 16:51  Huh?Unknown Speaker 16:54  Well,Unknown Speaker 16:57  that was aAri Gronich 17:00  really fascinating, and and I appreciate that. We're talking about working from mental down mind down, that doesn't necessarily, you know, mean, that you're not utilizing your emotions? Correct. Right. And so if you're not necessarily utilizing them as a hindrance, you're using them as a tool, how do you begin using the emotions that typically would be to tear down to build up? So things like anger and frustration and rage and all those things? How do you use those to your benefit versus your destruction?Richard Flint 17:51  Oh, you got to know where those emotions are coming from. Most of the emotions that the emotions that you were experienced in a day are coming from some experience from your yesterday that you've never dealt with. I believe that anything you don't complete in life has continuation. And when I was in the world of doing counseling, you know, people would come to me and they would be they would be angry. And but they didn't understand where their anger was coming from. So what we did, we would have to find the beginning point of that anger, they never dealt with it. And if you don't deal with negative emotions, all you do is increase their power in your life. And once we can find and locate where that anger is coming from, then we can work there. I've had couples in my office where one would be angry at the other. But Eric, it had nothing to do with their partner. It was the behavior or the actions of their partner reminded them of someone else. And they just brought that forward. And is is long is that there and not addressed. You have no way to get beyond the anger that you're feeling. That makes sense to you.Ari Gronich 19:18  Yeah, absolutely. So I come from the world of emotional release work. You know, I've done a lot of work with vets and PTSD with abuse victims, especially women who have suffered sexual abuse, mostly because of my experience with with that as well. And I've I've always found that I can talk somebody to death, about their stuff and and it doesn't necessarily help sometimes actually causes it to get worse and in some cases, just re escalate. The acuteness of the old trauma, versus doing somatic body work and breath work while doing the, the talk therapy and so on 10s, at least in my experience, to get the issues out of the tissues, because we have muscle cell memory, and every time we have an emotional trauma, it lands somewhere in our body and has a memory there. So the question that I have is, is, and I asked these in specific ways, because I want I want to get really clear, because we're not talking about reliving the experience or the story in order to get pity or sympathy, right? We're not looking for it in ourselves, or in anybody that we might be telling the story to. We're looking for empathy, and forgiveness and those kinds of things. Is that correct? At least in your in your perspective, because if we don't do those kinds of things, then we have that possibility of turning on the acuteness of an old trauma?Richard Flint 21:18  Well, one of the things that I know is that there are people out there who are looking for pity. And they keep retelling their story, because that's how they get pity from other people. And the challenge is, sometimes we feel sorry for these people. So what we do is we support that behavior. If there's one philosophy that I've written, that I'm known worldwide for, is just the rewards, behavior never lies, that the essence of truth is not what you say is what you do. I also believe that all behavior has an agenda. And that, you know, someone says, I didn't mean to do that, that's a lie. If you didn't mean to do it, you wouldn't have done it. But there's a purpose that goes with behavior. And you know, you're right. There are some people that they're not looking for.They're not looking for pity. What they're looking for is just a set of ears. You ever gone looking for a set of ears? Not easy to find was a mouth?Ari Gronich 22:39  Yeah, it's, it's unfortunate when you look for a sounding board. And all you get is a speaker?Richard Flint 22:47  Yeah. People tell me all the time that I am a master at asking questions. And when I work with people, you know, people asked me, you know, what, what would you do? And I'll tell him, I'm not you. But let's talk about it to this question. And as long as I can depend on you, then I'm a hostage. But if you can help me, to making me Focus on me, and do with the truth of my own life, then you can turn me into a pioneer who has an unlimited future. My challenge with a lot of people who do, quote, counseling, is that they work to tie people to them, not free people from them. And I don't want anybody to be dependent on me. That's not my that's not my role. That's not my life. My life is to help you free yourself. So that you can discover the more there is for your life.Ari Gronich 23:55  You know, that's that's a interesting because one of my my current raves or rants, rants and raves, is, is in the system of medicine. And the incentives which is basically the incentive is to keep treating versus curing, and, and more procedures gets you more money versus better results. So that's kind of the way that I've seen medicine. That's the way I've seen marketing. That's the way I've seen companies in general going in, in many ways is it's no longer about quality, it's about quantity. It's no longer about what you're providing your customer and the benefit that they're getting. It's just a matter of giving them enough to get them to come back again and again and again. And, and as a functional medicine guy and doing sports therapy, we our entire goal is results that get them to a place where either They don't need us, or they're ready to go to that next level, and they need us for the next level. So, but it's no nowhere near keeping them static in their life. But it definitely seems like that tends to be a pattern in the counseling industry.Richard Flint 25:20  Well, and it goes much deeper than that it is, it's really our country today to me is driven by power and control. Okay, I have the power. So I'm going to control your life, I look at a lot of these decisions that are being made because of the virus. And it's not about the virus, it's about somebody wanting to play God. And somebody wanting to take control of your life and tell you how you can live. And, you know, personal with me, and your audience may not agree with this, but that's okay. I think the intent of a lot of people in power today is to break the human spirit. And I'm watching I'm Eric, I'm watching people that have been strong suffering with depression today. I'm watching people who have been really driven, but because of the unknown because of the uncontrollable, I'm watching their their spirit be drained out of them. And I personally believe that there's two types of depression, there's clinical depression, which medications is needed, we need to get the body back in sync. But I think the biggest form of depression is personal depression, is personal depression is when you take away my ability to be me to be in control of my life, and to make decisions. And it seems like today that there is an agenda behind the agenda, work, it's about, we're going to break the spirit of people. And if you break the spirit of people, what do you have? You have a herd of sheep?Ari Gronich 27:16  Yeah, so you know, we can go through through this kind of a conversation, because I love these conversations. Butmymy thing is, I don't like the conspiracy side of the conspiracy stories and theories. And and the part of that that is hard for me is is assigning an intention from a group or several groups or whatever, right. And so I don't tend to cite an agenda or an intention of people more like, here's the facts. And so yeah, we can talk about the facts. The facts are that, you know, we know, numbers aren't being told in a truthful way, we don't know whether they're high or low. We know that the media is propagating a level of fear in order to create consensus, which is to create people who are agreeing to the restrictions that that they're given. We don't know the intention. We can assume an intention, we don't know an intention, right? We don't know if this was designed. Or if this is a natural occurrence, right? If this is a designed occurrence, or a natural occurrence. That being said, in general, you can look at a fact like, in the 1940s, we started putting fluoride in the water. Prior to us putting fluoride in the water fluoride was being tested by, you know, the Nazi Germany, on their soldiers in order to create soldiers that are less likely to or more likely to obey orders and less likely to revolt against orders that they would deem inappropriate. So since the 1940s, we've been putting it in our water. And we know it's a neurotoxin that helps to control people's minds. So we can't put an intention on that string of facts. We can only say here's a string of facts, and you can figure it out for yourself what an intention might be. But so let's talk about this. You brought it up. So what do you think that people need to do in order to stop being sheep as you call them?Richard Flint 29:58  Well, first of all, let me ask you Do you believe? Do you believe that all behavior has an agenda?Ari Gronich 30:06  I believe that all behavior has an agenda. And I do not believe that, that anybody really knows the agenda that their behavior is providing. In most cases, they're probably recognizing or conscious of about 5%Richard Flint 30:25  or less. So I do something I know is wrong. Am I conscious that I'm doing it?Ari Gronich 30:35  Sometimes, who knows? There's a lot of people like kleptomaniacs that don't know that they're doing it when they're doing it. They only know afterwards. It's kind of like a blank slate. So.Richard Flint 30:49  But let's, let's take the let's take the average person who lives every day making choices. And I know this choice is wrong for me. And this is what I need to do. But I choose this, I choose the behavior. Because in some way, it's more satisfying to me than doing the right thing. But I know I know what my agenda is. I'm just a very firm believer that on the broader scope, you are exactly in your life where you want to be. And I watched every I've watched that, and people. And people tell me, I don't want to be here. Well, let's look at some of the choices you've made. Because every choice creates a path. That path is guided by behaviors. And that takes me in a direction. And what I find is that most people don't really understand the power of the choices that they make. And the connection to the behaviors that they live.Ari Gronich 32:10  I agree that that most people don't have any kind of associative value with what it is that they did, and the consequences that it brought, and the consequence to the consequences, the consequences to the consequence, I talk about butterfly effect a lot in my book. So I agree that people do not realize the things that they that they're doing. So my my I guess what I what I said to you was I don't believe that all behavior is conscious behavior, an automatic behavior, while it may have an agenda may not be known to the person what the agenda is. The other thing I'm going to say to that is that you're saying everybody knows what to do. But we have been systematically given this menu of choices, all of which happened to be 100%. Correct. And you can just ask Dr. Google about it. And you'll find that there are 50 ways to skin a cat, right. And all of them are 100% the only way. And so what people are experiencing, and in my opinion, is a lot of misinformation, that then they have no idea what's true, and what to choose and why to choose it.Richard Flint 33:46  up, and I agree that, you know, with any with any Crossroads that you and I stand that no matter what it's about their choices. Now, one of the things that, again, I've seen in working with people is that this sounds strange. Most people don't think they think they think but most people don't think and the reason they don't is they approach the decision with their emotions running, not slowing down and saying, Okay, I've got six options here. Which option best fits what I want to achieve. And the people who slow down are the people who take that deep breath in life. They look at the options. They know what they want, because they understand their purpose in life, which is a very, very few people.Ari Gronich 34:50  Yeah, that That to me is is probably more the issue I think that I've seen because people live their life. And they don't plan their life to live, they live their life on a plan, right? So you go to work, you go home, you go to work, you go home, you go to work, you go home, you do that five days a week, the next day you're doing errands. And the next day, maybe you go to church and restaurant a little better, you know, temple or whatever. And, and, and do something to relax. And then the next day, you're added again, and we believe somehow, in our minds, that this is the only thing that creates a person of value. And so when we have issues like this whole thing going on, we start getting depression, because people don't feel like they're providing value, because they're not doing this rat race. And on your point, I used to run a workshop is a three day workshop called Living big on purpose. And it was how to live a big life. Now I was at the time, 340 pounds. So there was a lot of double entendres and double meanings, their big life and doing it on purpose and all those things. But the point is, is that people don't know their purpose, because they've never been encouraged, or taught in any of our education, or, you know, general public way of teaching. We don't teach how to dream, we teach how to listen, and how to obey. We don't teach how to dream, and how to imagine and how to create the life that I want, versus a life that I'm being pre prescribed is the life I should have. Right? And so we never plan. And if you don't plan, you know, it's the same thing as setting a destination course without a rudder. You know, you're gonna arrive somewhere. But would you rather arrive at a well planned destination or an unplanned destination? And that's a good question. And that's something that we can talk about is how does how do people start creating that plan so that they know where they're going. So they have a trajectory so that their behavior matches the end goal? Because they actually have an end goal? And that was a lot of rant? So I'll let you I'll let you take it from here.Richard Flint 37:21  No, but what you're talking about is is absolutely correct. And I think in order to find that purpose, because you and I know purpose changes throughout our life. I mean, you haven't always sat there in that chair, talking into a microphone, correct? No. And before you got here, there was another purpose to your life. But as as purpose develops, opportunities appear. Now, sometimes that opportunity is a curse is a possibility, not an opportunity. But you know, I never thought I never thought that I would ever teach, I was going to be a lawyer, and decided, that's not what I want to be. I never thought that I would spend my life 30 years of my life, traveling the world speaking, not was not on my agenda. But as I strengthened my belief, my trust my faith in myself, and I opened myself to looking to the horizon. Rather than standing in where I am, then all of a sudden, I began to see other places that I could go with my talents and with my abilities. And so, you know, here I am. But let me let me share this with you, because you asked. I think in order to find the purpose in your life, there are four questions that you have to ask. And words to me are critically important. Question number one, what do I really want for my life? Not What do I want? It's the word really, that makes it an in depth question. What do I really want from my life? And if you can't answer that, you can't go to the next one. And question number two is, why do I really want this for my life? Question number three, what price Am I willing to pay to achieve this? And that's where a lot of people break down. Because for everything you and I want to do, there's a price tag in life. And then Question number four, what behaviors will I have to improve to allow me to get there? And I use those four questions every year in my life, to define my purpose. Like for 2021 what do I really want to achieve in 2021? Why am I willing to pay the price? Because I think the more you want to do with your life, the more confusion you have to work through Because confusion can be a real positive. If you've looked at it for what it is, it's a test of commitment. And then I have to be honest with myself, What is it about me that I'm going? Where am I going to have to improve? Not change? I never asked anybody to change? Where do I need to improve in my behavior? To remove the restrictions and limitations, that behavior can place on me? You're muted.Ari Gronich 40:39  Sorry, there was background noise. I had I have kids moving around in my background, so I have to mute every now and then. So we were talking about purpose, I was basically saying, those are great questions that you ask, I would, I would ask some more questions. Because I don't believe that it's necessarily all about just me. And that's my own personal beliefs. So I asked questions like, what is the legacy that you want to leave? What is the world that you want to see? Or, you know, your kids and grandkids and so on? Have I get into I guess, a little bit more in depth so that it becomes alive and real for for people? So I just suggest, yes, ask yourself those questions, but have it become really alive for you, and utilize your imagination in a way that's, you know, imagery sounds, even if you're watching videos, you know, things like that. I mean, this is a great thing at the beginning of a new year to do, it's not about resolutions, because I've never seen a resolution have somebody resolved to do the resolution ever in my life. I only see the beginnings. But when you have a well designed plan, you could actually create, you know, a roadmap to get to where you're going versus resolving to, I'm going to go to the gym this year, right? So anyway, that's a really good way of starting out your new year is find find that purpose. And you might want to ask yourself 100 years, what do you want to see the world like 50 years? What do you want to see the world? Like?Richard Flint 42:39  Can I take this a little deeper? Oh, yeah, please do. Okay. And you said something that is just, it's gospel. And that is, you and I, anything that we do with our life is going to affect the people around us. And so I can't, I can't just look at life just to me, you know, what do I really want? Okay, how's that going to affect? I believe that you and I live in a four room house, we have a business room, a family room, a social room and a Personal Room. And what I find with people is their life gets messed up because their lives are out of sync. I think there has to be an order to your life in order for you to have growth, to have clarity, and to have simplicity of living. And the order is this, the most important room in my life is my personal room. That's where I go to be by myself. And that alone with me is where my dreams are born. Because if I put too many people in that room, I'm overwhelmed with opinions. So what do I really want. And then the second most important room in your life is your family room. Because if you don't have the support of family, dreams will be destroyed. And so if I know what I really want, then I need to sit down with Karen and I need to talk to her about you know, this is the this is the ministry This is the crusade that I want to have in 2021. Because if she's not with me, she's against me. And you know this, you have kids, family can be very emotional. And if there's not, if there's not that common connection, it makes it real challenge. And then your third room is your business room, which is your number one room of mental stress.Unknown Speaker 44:39  And thenRichard Flint 44:40  your social room is your play room. And that's another thing area that we're seeing today people aren't playing as playing the you know, this social distancing. This disconnect is really dangerous for everybody, young people, for children for adults. We are so creatures, we need that interaction. And this is good through the internet, but it doesn't give you the energy of standing in the presence of somebody.Ari Gronich 45:11  Yeah, you know, for sure I'm definitely missing my, my, you know, events, the people I had, I think for international speaking offers two weeks before COVID. And before the lockdown, and they all went away, right? immediately. And so yeah, I miss, I miss a little bit being on the road, I miss getting getting to look in the eyeballs of the people I'm talking to instead of, like, right now I'm looking my own eyeballs, it's very strange, I want to look down at your eyeballs. And you know, we, you know, we're, we have this very intimate connection with our lens. But it's not the right lens, it's the camera lens, it's not the lens behind our eyes, it's the camera lens, and we're having this very intimate relationship with this thing that I'm looking at right now may look like I'm looking at you. But I'm not looking at a camera, and lens. And because this interesting dynamic. You know, we have a lot of people flossing, that's, that's the new term for it. It's flossing. And they're flossing because they are in pain. And they don't want to show the pain. So they are flossing the selfies with lots of filters.Unknown Speaker 46:50  ThinkingAri Gronich 46:51  anyway, so I just wanted to say that this way of being I feel like this about that's how I feel about this way of being that that we're currently doingRichard Flint 47:07  it see if you agree with this, because you've been on platform, you've had that live audience out there in front of you. And that live audience gives you energy, and you can feed off of that energy, and it just makes you want to give energy back to them. I'm doing a tremendous amount of virtual seminars right now, conventions. And the interesting thing is, I can sit here with you. But there's not that in, you know, in reality, there's not that energy coming back. So I got to create the energy for both me and for you. Without that my body is given it back. And I tell you what, it's a whole different world of presentation.Ari Gronich 47:49  Yeah, you know, it's, it's really hard, especially for those of us who are trained to, to train and we, you know, get people in groups and doing active things out of their chairs with each other, it's hard when you know, the with each other is not in a place where you could actually touch or look in their eyes, hold their hands, especially if you're doing an emotional release kind of a thing. You know, it's like, you need that touch in order for the real release from the body to happen. Otherwise, it's kind of like, yeah, you can get to the emotion of it a little bit, but you won't get to the release of it.Richard Flint 48:40  And I agree with you. And this is one of the things that this lack of socialization is doing today. And probably the group This is hurting the most are the kids. Because at a young age, you need that socialization, you need to be in there, among them. And, you know, when they don't have that I've talked to several parents like me, whose kids are very social animals. And, you know, they're social butterflies, but it's the social butterfly that keeps them active and keeps them busy and keeps driving them. And now that they're the virtual school, they don't have that, that desire is diminishing.Ari Gronich 49:29  Yeah, you know, it's funny because we had to, we pulled our son out of school completely and are homeschooling him. And he's a very social person. He's actually learning a lot more right now and he likes not being in a classroom. Because I think, you know, otherwise he's the class clown. He's gonna be looking for the attention now mind you, he's in first grade. So but you know, he's he Somebody who is very social, and he's not getting to be as social as I'd like him to be, but I find that we can, you know, take over other ways, like putting in martial arts or different sports, when we're allowed to do that people. You know, those are ways that we can socialize him more, and actually think that they might be better, but I, I never had a good experience. And in public school, I mean, I was way too smart for the teachers, and he's 10 times smarter than than I am. And so, you know, I think, the last straw for us, he was doing that virtual school. And, and he, you know, the teacher asked how the kids were doing? And he said, Well, I'm frustrated. And the teacher said, What, why are you? Why are you frustrated? What's going on? He said, I have five businesses, and you're not teaching me how to work with any of them.Unknown Speaker 51:03  SoAri Gronich 51:05  at that point, you know, it was it was that we give them a different experience for a little while. But yeah, I mean, you know, depression is up, suicide is up, abuse of all kinds, domestic abuse is up. So then, what what's the solution? You know, because, obviously, this system is saying that we need to socially distance so we need to cover our faces. And we need to do these things in order to protect our community and have civic responsibility and civic duty. And anybody, you know, who disagrees with any of that decree, is a eugenics, you know, lover who's trying to kill off the world? So these are the polarities of our experience right now. So how do we, how do we solve this disparity?Richard Flint 52:10  I'm going to answer your question, because I'm going to give you what I think we have to do. But I want to preface it by saying this, I wish that they would be honest with us about the numbers. I don't trust the numbers are given us. I have several doctor friends. And they will, they will tell you, anyone who comes into the hospital who has a fever is classified this coping, because the hospitals get paid money for that. And that goes back to the point you made earlier in the show. And that I think so much of what's being done today is the ultimate agenda is greed, the mechanism to use this fear. So, what I tell people today, that there are basically six things you need to do. And again, these are these are mind. And a lot of people would not agree with it. And I tell them, it's okay, you can be wrong. But these are what these are what I I work with people on, first of all, stay spiritually strong. That and I wish someone area I wish someone would explain to me why faith is not an essential part of life. We're closing the churches down we're opening up the Walmart's the targets. Walmart's what profits up 549% Why isn't been an essential part of life. But you got to stay spiritually strong, your your belief, your trust in your faith, that we will get through this. And that I can I can get through this has got to be strong. Second thing is you got to pace yourself. One of the hardest things I do with the students that I have my my mentoring students, is it basis basically takes me two or three months to get them to understand the power of pace. That the faster you move to bigger mesh you got to make. And you either manage your life or your life manages you. So let's let's slow down so that we can and you said it in another way a while ago. And I thought that's exactly right. You need to slow down where you can listen to life. Because life talks to us. And I need to be at a pace where I'm listening to the life around me. And right now what I need to listen for is I need to listen for how to be smart in the midst of what we're going through. The third thing that I said I suggest to people, you need to invest in yourself. You need to take that time right now to really get to know yourself.Unknown Speaker 54:59  Who are youRichard Flint 55:01  What do you learn about yourself? And I've had this conversation with couples, who are you as a couple, you're spending more time around each other, you deal with more things you've ever dealt with?Unknown Speaker 55:11  What do you learn me.Richard Flint 55:14  Because what I find breaks couples apart, married or unmarried couples, is that when two people come together, what brings them together is a special something that they see in each other, and they connect it that special something. And what tears them apart is they lose that special something. So we need to invest in ourselves and getting to know us more, and get back to who we are not the person that we've been told to be resilient. The next one is resilience is a must. resilience to me, is the second most beautiful word in language next to love. But you've got to be more resilient than anything you've ever been. And to me, resilience is you can not be down, but I'm going to get up stronger, I'm going to be better.And then the last to the next one is involve the right people in your life.Stop listening to the negative people, my gosh, every I don't know about you. But I listened to the news for about 30 minutes in the morning. And then I don't listen to any more news. The news today has become very negative, it's become very controlling, it's become manipulative. And the agenda of the news, it I think, is to keep people in fear. And to keep them from really thinking and asking the right questions. And then the last thing I suggest that people get involved in training, find some way to put yourself in a learning experience. And that's why I opened my learning center. So that I could I can invite people to come into this learning center, we have classes at three different levels. And we got depending on where you are in your life, which level you go into. But challenge yourself, you need to challenge yourself today. And to challenge too, because I really do, I want people to be better, I want them to be smarter, I want it to be stronger in life. Because when you have those three, those three, then feed your desire, your determination and your discipline to achieve. Nice,Unknown Speaker 57:34  I likeAri Gronich 57:35  that very succinct. I want to I want to, you know, like, take another hour and break each one of those things apart into little itty bitty pieces. But we don't have another hour. So I guess I can't do that. But I really, really want to I want to break them all into little itty bitty, bite sized chunky pieces that people can consume easily and readily. But I think that this is a great place to to end the call for now. I mean, obviously I could spend another five hours having a conversation with you about all of these wonderful things. And here's what I want to just end with because you asked a question about how to not have faith and be alive, so to speak. I don't think that people don't have faith. And I don't think that faith is as direly wanting as some people think, I believe that faith has moved from the faith in a religion, to faith and other things. So faith is less than less, in my opinion, based on religious teachings and more based on inner knowings. And so I don't think that it's, it's absent, I think that it's transformed a little bit from what people know of. And so why would Why would a church be closed? And a Walmart not? Why would you know, and I'm going to leave you guys with these thoughts. I'm not going to answer any of them for you. But if you like you can always comment on the this conversation and we can start that conversation deeper. So why is it that people do an ask this question, do and make choices that go in exact opposite of their own self interest? That's the question I'm going to leave you with. Because I think that that goes to the heart of all the things, Richard, that you've been saying is that people make choices that go against the goals, versus towards the goals, they go against what it is that you want, versus going towards what you want. So why is it that we as a society, have decided to let the bullies rule? And we've decided to lay down for the bullies? And how does that help you create a new tomorrow today?So that's what I'm going to leave you with? Because normally, I leave you with all these great tips and tricks. I think that Richard really provided that for for you with with his six. And, and so Richard, why don't you let people know how they can get ahold of you if they'd like to book you for a speaking engagement or, or any other form of, of work that you do if somebody wants to get ahold of you and learn more?Richard Flint 1:01:19  How do they do that? Well, my website is real simple with Richard Flint.com. My staff did that. So I would never forget it. But Richard Clint calm. And my email is also very simple. Richard at Richard Flint.com. And Eric, we have two things coming up in January, that I'm really excited about. I'm doing two virtual seminars in January, to help people with mindset for 2021. On the 16th of January, we're going to do a virtual 70 minutes virtual seminar on turning your gold into gold. I think one of the most frustrating thing that happens out there is we teach a very negative process to goal setting. And I think it creates most people's frustrations. So I'm going to take 70 minutes, and I'm going to show you a process that allows your goals not to be words on a paper, but the reality that your mind can construct and build off of. And then on the 30th of January, we're doing another virtual seminar and titled, how to have the greatest year of your life, and how to strengthen yourself internally. So the external can't control you. And if people would like to have information on this, if they'll go to Richard flint.com, backslash live, all of the information is there. Richard flint.com, backslash live. It's there. I think you and I think you and I share a common a common purpose. And that purpose is to help people find the fulfillment of life. That's what I get from you. And I really, I really liked that. And I respect you for that.Ari Gronich 1:03:07  I appreciate that. Is are your programs going to be evergreen? Are you turning them into evergreen programs? And the reason I asked that is, I don't know exactly when your episode is going to air. And so I just want to make sure that the information is either going to be retroactively, you know, available for them if if it's evergreen or not. I just want to make sure that they have the option of finding that so are you going to turn that into an available recording?Richard Flint 1:03:41  Yes, we record everything we do will be there. Okay. Awesome.Ari Gronich 1:03:47  That way, in case you know, this is after January. We we don't want losing anybody, you know. We don't want to lose anybody in translation. SoRichard Flint 1:04:02  if they'll go to Richard Flint, calm everything they need to know about me is right there. Awesome. Very nice.Ari Gronich 1:04:08  Thank you so much for being here. Richard. This has been another episode of create a new tomorrow. I am your host, Ari Gronich, and we will create a new tomorrow today every day and activate our vision for a better world. Please do remember to LIKE subscribe, rate review comment so that we can start conversations that matter and help you to create your new tomorrow today. Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. 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Hi, I am here with Eric Dagati. HE is the Founder and Director of ONE Human Performance. Eric has spent the past 20 years in the fitness industry as a coach, trainer and instructor, pioneering his unique approach to client assessment, performance enhancement and injury prevention. Eric studied Exercise Physiology at William Paterson University and, in addition, has had the good fortune over the years of learning directly from some of the greatest minds in the industry, including Gray Cook, Charles Poliquin, Mike Clark and Paul Chek.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE OF ERIC DAGATI FOR MORE INFOhttps://www.functionalmovement.com/JOIN NOW!! 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Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:07  Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host, Ari Gronich. And I have with me Eric Dagati. And Eric is a performance trainer. He's physical athletic performance, injury prevention, management and rehab, systematic approach to health and wellness. He's spent the last 20 years in the industry training and pioneering his unique approach to assessment, performance enhancement, injury prevention, etc. Each year, he travels the world teaching and speaking trainers, coaches, therapists, as well as training clients that include Olympic gold medalists, Gatorade, and energy players of the year all Americans, national champions, World Series champions and Pro Bowl athletes. It's quite a resume you have very, very astute kind of resume, why don't you tell the audience a little bit about yourself how you got to this place where you are the man behind the men and womenEric Dagati 1:17  got it? Oh, thank you for having me here. So, like you said a little over 20 years ago got involved in in helping people get better on the initially just on the physical side. And then I realized that there was a lot more to it than that. And that's kind of what started my journey of kind of finding a system that works to getting people to be their best. And along that way, I've gotten to do some pretty cool things, like you mentioned. And, and with that, to this day, still accumulating more and more information that can kind of make that system work a little bit better. And, and having this growth mindset of saying okay, well, if there's something that can allow one of my clients, one of my teams to be able to be better tomorrow from this, or even if it's a better way of delivering that information. That's kind of what I've been gaining over the over the last 20 plus years of doing that. And that's kind of what gets me to where I am now.Ari Gronich 2:17  Awesome. So what do you think, is the biggest deficiencies that you've seen in, you know, the training, the teaching the educational side? That that's kind of given you an opportunity to have a career because you're filling a gap. Right? So what's that gap that you're filling? And why do you think that the industry hasn't kind of, let's say, made it with the times, come up with, you know, the present moment? Why do you think it's taken them so long?Eric Dagati 2:54  I think a lot of the dogmatic way in which we're taught on whether it's on the, the clinical side of rehab, or whether it's on the training side of performance is it's a lot of this for that mentality, right? So if it's someone on the rehab side that okay, well, if, if they can't perform this movement, this is tight, and this is weak. On the performance side, well, if they can't do this, well, then you got to do these exercises. And I wish it was that simple. And early on, it was a lot of that it was it was fine, a problem prescribed, you know, something specific for it. And that works to a certain extent, but unless you really get a full grasp on the whole picture, you end up missing out on a lot of things.Ari Gronich 3:40  Again, I get that, you know, here's a question that I have. And it's something that I see in the industry quite a bit. And that is a failure to diagnose meaning the assessment system that were trained in, originally and what is used mostly, are things like visual assessments, very brief, conversational moments, especially if you're a trainer, you're literally you know, do a 1015 minute conversation and then try to sell a package right, instead of doing a deep diagnostic and so, the question becomes, as you just started, you know, saying you had to explore things further. So, what are the assessments that you have chosen to do the way that you choose to do diagnostics so that you can get a better starting place?Eric Dagati 4:46  Okay, so the, the, the initial starting place is that is just that conversation and the art of that conversation and you can and how do you do that right and and if your motive is selling a training package then you're already off base. But but the asking some Kiko, I've asked like the same six key questions for 20 years, but where it's taken the journey for each individual that's come in the door has been completely unique. And the first question is something as simple as like, why are you here? What is your primary goal? Instead of me trying to sell you on what I do? Why are you even here? And and figure out, Okay, and then keep asking why, like a two year old is okay, well, I'm here because I want to I want to be faster, faster for what? Who's chasing you? Right? And so okay, well, faster, because I'm a football player. Okay, well, what position do you play in? Okay, well, what do you think's holding you back from that speeding, keep asking those questions? And then And then from there, we can start to open up some doors of conversation to say, Okay, well, now I got to look at to see, are those really the reasons?Ari Gronich 5:51  Awesome, you know, I have things like client contracts and obligations that they have to meet when I'm working with them. So sounds to me, like, you're definitely doing the things to get people on board with their own healing. I guess my my questions are a little more systematic versus, you know, your particular system, like the systems that we experience on a day to day basis. Now, why? Why do you have a job as a specialist training, the people who are really the day to day people that are working with these elite athletes? And I asked this actually have a couple of my Olympic clients, when I interviewed them as well on on the podcast, like, why did you need me? Why was why was I, somebody you couldn't get in all of the, with all the people that are there specifically for you?Eric Dagati 7:02  I think a lot of that comes back to it. First, it was about them. Right? I had two pro baseball players in this morning. And they said they went to another facility last year for training. And they, they were told that this was going to be a completely individualized program. And it was all based exactly on what they needed. And then they realized about a week or two, when that they were doing the same program as every other high school kid in the place. And that every time that we're doing something, they can make a connection to something that they've that either we discovered in the assessment or that they've even told me, and that it's making that connection. So there's that realization that this is not training to get good at training, this is training to get good. And this is good specifically for what you need.Ari Gronich 7:49  That's awesome. You know, I believe that program design and development is probably the number one biggest thing that helps a trainer and athlete a patient anatomy of any kind, and that it is probably the least done in the industry, the least thing done, it will help it would help the most. And it's the least thing done. Like I can remember, just in my own personal experiences going after car accidents, or after injuries to therapists, chiropractors, pts, etc. And no one spoke to each other. No one had conversations about care, nobody actually created a plan of care. It was it's always just been Oh, come in, we'll see what we can do today. And then come in tomorrow, we'll Oh, well, you know, we'll we'll just do what we can. And it's never been a here's where we're going. This is the plan. This is why and now we're off on this adventure together of fulfilling the plan, right?Eric Dagati 9:11  Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I used to have a criteria when I, I own my own multi disciplinary facility for 12 years. And then I got kind of too busy with consulting and doing that kind of stuff. So I moved on, but when I did, I had a staff of eight trainers. And so to make sure that we kept the brand true and that the level of care up. You know, one of the things that we say is that you are not here to show exercises, I said you can get that for free at YouTube. No one needs to pay for that.Ari Gronich 9:42  Yeah, you know, not only to them, but to yourself. You're you're doing an injustice to yourself, because if you're settling for less than what you're capable of, then you're basically allowing yourself to have stunted growth?Eric Dagati 10:01  Yeah, well, and then not only that, you're not really distinguishing yourself. And like, like you said about, you know, why does that certain client look me and seek me out, they drive past a lot of gyms and trainers to get to me that are a lot easier, you know, made cheaper and more, you know, more local to where they are, but they're not going to get that. And so unless you're willing to distinguish yourself, and that also means you're putting yourself out there a little bit. And that's the same thing goes with the assessment is to say, if I'm going to tell you, we're doing this to improve this, and it doesn't, well, that's me putting it out there. That's where I want to have the confidence that I can get you there. And if I also don't have the ego to say, well, we tried this and it didn't work. That's not the path. Let's quickly scrap that. And let's go to something else. And that's okay.Ari Gronich 10:48  So we've kind of gone through some of how an audience member might choose differently when they're choosing their therapists or trainers or people. What's the number one thing that you might say to a trainer, therapist person, if they're operating under the standards of care. And they are afraid of moving away from that in order to actually get results because of being investigated or having licenses looked at? I know a lot of chiropractors have moved under that functional medicine by taking away their DC and and joining organizations like the pastoral Medical Association, for instance, in order to basically shift their liabilities. But what would you say to somebody who is looking at the system and going, this is not working. And I really like to see it change, because I do like activists.Eric Dagati 12:03  So I think the more you can prove that you can get to the same point faster, it's going to leave you time to do those types of things that you want. And not so much to your point in the scope of practice. But But let's say if you get really good at at at your assessment piece, and the ability to kind of ascertain what someone needs, you can sharpshooter much more what it is that you want to do in terms of treatment. So, you know, it goes back to you know, Abraham Lincoln said, if he gave me, you know, five hours to cut down the tree, I'm going to spend the first four and a half sharpening the blade. And so if you can really dial in your assessment, while the the therapist of the table next to me or the trainer on the floor next to me is spending three weeks trying to figure out how to address this issue, I get it done in three days. Because I took more time off, I invested the time up front, and I was able to shark shoot as opposed to taking the shotgun approach to everything. Now what that does is the other 27 days are that I have that you don't have that you were kind of fumbling in doing trial and error. It gives me the freedom to do a lot more things.Ari Gronich 13:16  Anyway, I really appreciate you coming on helping helping to expose some of this stuff. You know, why don't you tell us a little bit about how people could get ahold of you if they'd like to. And any tips or tricks I know you've started you know, stated a number of them but any tips or tricks for helping create a new tomorrow today?Eric Dagati 13:37  Yeah. Well, in terms of finding, finding me can just the easiest place to just go to my website, which is Eric Dagati.com And then you have all my social media and so forth that you can find on there. And feel free to reach out with any questions directly through that. And then in terms of any tips is I go back to those what I call the three big things of move, fuel and reset, and don't lose sight of those. And if you if you're not where you want to be there's there's something missing in one of those three buckets, if not all of them. And we can get away with having something missing in some of those buckets if we're strong enough in the other two to make up for. But you can't drain all three of those. And so looking at making sure do I move well, and if I do move well, do I move enough? If or do I not move well, but I move too much. Right? Any one of those combat combinations is not good. And then the second is is fuel What am I putting into my body whether it's a whether it's what I eat, what I drink or what i what i think and listen to an experience and expose myself to because that all leaves an imprint just like every cell in your body is made out of amino acids from the proteins and and glycogen from from these sugars and fatty acids and cholesterol from your fats, all your cells are a byproduct of what's your fuel is. And the same thing goes for what's going on, on a larger scale with your spirit, and that's fuel that you put in into your head. And then the last piece is you're giving yourself a chance to reset. And then with that reset, that reset doesn't always have to be an external thing. It's meaning that a reset doesn't mean that I go to a cryo tank every day or I got a couple $100 massage gun or both things not that that's necessarily a bad thing. But if you're constantly relying on those, you're probably you know, off somewhere else. That Am I sleeping, right? And am I getting the right reset? Am I breathing right? Even those those simple things, if you can check those boxes, then a lot of the other stuff falls into place. So establishing the right habits and those three categories i think is the biggest thing to get started and then you want to get down into the weeds, we can certainly do that, but not until you've checked those three boxes first. Awesome.Ari Gronich 16:05  Thank you so much, Eric, for coming on for providing the audience with your education, your wisdom and and I look forward to seeing what you create in in our industry and the movement that develops because you're teaching this kind of system and this kind of care to our industry. So thank you very much for that.Unknown Speaker 16:31  I appreciate the opportunity.Ari Gronich 16:33  Absolutely. Remember to like subscribe, rate review, comment below so we can create conversations that matter and create a new tomorrow today activate our vision for a better world. I am your host are Ari Gronich and this has been another episode. Thank you so much for being here.

Hi, I am here with Eric Dagati. HE is the Founder and Director of ONE Human Performance. Eric has spent the past 20 years in the fitness industry as a coach, trainer and instructor, pioneering his unique approach to client assessment, performance enhancement and injury prevention. Eric studied Exercise Physiology at William Paterson University and, in addition, has had the good fortune over the years of learning directly from some of the greatest minds in the industry, including Gray Cook, Charles Poliquin, Mike Clark and Paul Chek.CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE OF ERIC DAGATI FOR MORE INFOhttps://www.functionalmovement.com/JOIN NOW!! 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Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:00  I'm Ari Gronich, and this is create a new tomorrow podcast.Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host, Ari Gronich. And I have with me Eric Dagati. And Eric is a performance trainer. He's physical athletic performance, injury prevention, management and rehab, systematic approach to health and wellness. He's spent the last 20 years in the industry training, and pioneering his unique approach to assessment, performance enhancement, injury prevention, etc. Each year, he travels the world teaching and speaking trainers, coaches, therapists, as well as training clients that include Olympic gold medalists, Gatorade, and energy players of the year all Americans, national champions, World Series champions and Pro Bowl athletes. It's quite a resume you have very, very astute kind of resume, why don't you tell the audience a little bit about yourself how you got to this place where you are the man behind the men and womenEric Dagati 1:25  got it? Oh, thank you for having me here. So like you said a little over 20 years ago got involved in in helping people get better on the initially just on the physical side, and then realizing there's a lot more to it than that. And that's kind of what started my journey of kind of finding a system that works to getting people to be their best. And along that way, I've gotten to do some pretty cool things like you mentioned. And, and with that, to this day, still accumulating more and more information that can kind of make that system work a little bit better. And, and having this growth mindset of saying okay, well, if there's something that can allow one of my clients, one of my teams to be able to be better tomorrow from this, or even if it's a better way of delivering that information. That's kind of what I've been gaining over the over the last 20 plus years of doing that. And that's kind of what gets me to where I am now.Ari Gronich 2:26  Awesome. So what do you think, is the biggest deficiencies that you've seen in, you know, the training, the teaching the educational side? That that's kind of given you an opportunity to have a career because you're filling a gap. Right? So what's that gap that you're filling? And why do you think that the industry hasn't kind of, let's say, made it with the times, come up with, you know, the present moment? Why do you think it's taken them so long?Eric Dagati 3:03  I think a lot of the dogmatic way in which we're taught on whether it's on the, the clinical side of rehab, or whether it's on the training side of performance is it's a lot of this for that mentality, right? So if it's someone on the rehab side that okay, well, if, if they can't perform this movement, this is tight, and this is weak. On the performance side, well, if they can't do this, well, then you got to do these exercises. And I wish it was that simple. And early on, it was a lot of that it was it was fine, a problem prescribe, you know, something specific for it. And that works to a certain extent. But unless you really get a full grasp on the whole picture, you end up missing out on a lot of things. And so you can get down into some deep rabbit holes, whether it's, I'm getting wrapped up in, you know, when I initially started, I had these hour and a half evaluations, and I chase everything that I found that was off. And if you didn't have exactly how many degrees of external rotation in your shoulder, I was going to fix that. And then I realized that you know what, that didn't matter if this person couldn't even touch your toes, right? If there was bigger things that I needed to do in terms of a checklist in terms of checking boxes to make sure, where do I even start and I was missing, I was missing big stuff to chase after little stuff. And we can get down that road. Because Listen, I you know, I've gotten to work with some of the best in the world. And none of them are perfect. But we sometimes let perfect get in the way of good. And so being able to know how to have that checklist and have that systematic way to look at say, Okay, I got to start here first before I worry about that. And then I may never need to worry about that. And so I think getting away from that disk for that and having looking at the individual in front of you, and going through a checklist of some big things first, and say Can they do these things and then I'll worry about if those little things That I that are deep in the textbooks have to even be worried about right now.Ari Gronich 5:06  Again, I get that, you know, here's a question that I have. And it's something that I see in the industry quite a bit. And that is a failure to diagnose meaning the assessment system that were trained in, originally, and what is used mostly, are things like visual assessments, very brief, conversational moments, especially if you're a trainer, you're literally, you know, do a 1015 minute conversation and then try to sell a package, right? Instead of doing a deep diagnostic. And so, the question becomes, as you just started, you know, saying, you had to explore things further. So what are the assessments that you have chosen to do the way that you choose to do diagnostics so that you can get a better starting place?Eric Dagati 6:12  Okay, so the, the initial starting place is that is just that conversation and the art of that conversation. And you can and how do you do that? Right? And, and if your motive is selling a training package, then you're already off base. But but the asking some Kiko, I've asked like the same six key questions for 20 years, but where it's taken, the journey for each individual that's come in the door has been completely unique. And the first question is something as simple as like, why are you here? What is your primary goal? Instead of me trying to sell you on what I do? Why are you even here? and figure out okay, and then keep asking why, like a three year old is okay, well, I'm here because I want to I want to be faster, faster for what? Who's chasing you? Right? And so okay, well, faster, because I'm a football player. Okay, well, what position do you play in? Okay, well, what do you think's holding you back from that speed? And keep asking those questions? And then And then from there, we can start to open up some doors or conversation to say, Okay, well, now I got to look at to see are those really the reasons? Meaning that first I'm going to look at is how do you move on a fundamental level with something as basic as a functional movement screen to say, Do you at least cover your basis as a human being as a, as someone that needs to be able to do some basic things in terms of move from your hips move from your upper body, to be able to step to be able to lunge to be able to squat? And and if you can cover those fundamentals? Okay, well, that box is checked, I don't need to get your perfect, but that's probably not your issue. And do you have at least you know, movement competency? And then from there, then we can start looking at some, some other factors, whether it's performance factors, and looking at your your power and your motor control and your ability to have lasticity and impact control and work capacity, or is it a body composition issue, right. And if you want to get faster, well, that doesn't move all that fast up. If we can get you leaner, you might get faster, and you never end up doing a single speed drill. And then we like to look at and open up the doors at a conversation to the the next question that I asked to say, Okay, well, we train do we build up or break down and I literally had a high school quarterback. And last night, for the first time asked this question nine times out of 10, they say, Well, I build up and I said, try again, the whole reason this works is you challenge yourself, your body goes, Oh my gosh, I don't know what I just did. But you're going to have to get better for it. Now, it's my job to figure out what those things are and how much of that we give to you. But that's the magic is not happening here. We're just kind of planting seeds. It's the other 23 hours a day that that magic happens. And that comes down to recovery. And so I could give you the greatest program in the world. But if you're up all night playing fortnight or eating Twizzlers, and drinking Red Bull, we pretty much wasted our time. So we have to make sure that we support that with the right recovery. And then getting them to understand that this is this is on them. And the analogy that I use, okay, we're going to, I'm going to show you, I'm going to give you the right seats and tell you where to plant them. But you're the farmer from here on it, it's on you to plant those to harvest those seeds. I can't go home and do your exercises for you. I can't tell you when to go to bed or I'm not going to, you know be in your kitchen serving your meals and getting the onus on the individual. And making them part of that journey, I think is an empowering thing I want to do early on. And so when they can see that and then having the assessment to tie into it is to say okay, well, you couldn't touch your toes when you came in. We just did these three drills with you and now you can, okay, so we know these work. So if you do those every day, imagine how much better you're going to move. Alright, so you're going to do those every day till the next time I see you and then when you come in as long as you touch your toes. Now we've checked that box and now we're gonna move on to the next thing. So that'd be assessment. Men, as well as the conversation all lead to this empowerment of getting them to take personal responsibility for their own performance and well being.Ari Gronich 10:11  Awesome, you know, I have things like client contracts and obligations that they have to meet when I'm working with them. So sounds to me like, you're definitely doing things to get people on board with their own healing. I guess my my questions are a little more systematic versus, you know, your particular system, like the systems that we experience on a day to day basis. Now, why? Why do you have a job as a specialist training, the people who are really the day to day people that are working with these elite athletes? And I asked this actually have a couple of my Olympic clients, when I interviewed them as well on on the podcast, like, why did you need me? Why was why was I, somebody you couldn't get in all of the, with all the people that are there specifically for you.Eric Dagati 11:23  I think a lot of that comes back to a first it was about them. Right? I had two pro baseball players in this morning. And they said they went to another facility last year for training. And they say they were told that this was going to be a completely individualized program. And it was all based exactly on what they needed. And then they realized about a week or two, when that they were doing the same program as every other high school kid in the place. And that every time that we're doing something, they can make a connection to something that they've that either we discovered in the assessment or that they've even told me, and that it's making that connection. So there's that realization that this is not training to get good at training, this is training to get good. And this is good specifically for what you need. And that's really where they're getting that that attention that some people may not have, if you don't have that skill set, then they're just going to go in and get another, you know, rote training program. And that I have, I've kind of challenged myself to say, I want to, I want to make sure that there's never going to be an individual that I ever see that I can't make better in some way, shape, or form. And so because of that, I always want to be able to give you something that you didn't have yesterday. And so when athletes see that they can say okay, I can see where this is going, I can see that this is a journey, this isn't a workout, this is a journey. And they can see that this leads to this leads to this. And it's based on this, and this is going to be our checks and balances. And that's where they're they're, they're getting something that they're not getting elsewhere, because it's not about a workout.Ari Gronich 13:00  That's awesome. You know, I believe that program design and development is probably the number one biggest thing that helps a trainer and athlete, a patient and any of any kind, and that it is probably the least done in the industry, the least thing done, it will help it would help the most. And it's the least thing done. Like I can remember, just in my own personal experiences going after car accidents, or after injuries to therapists, chiropractors, pts, etc. And no one spoke to each other. No one had conversations about care, nobody actually created a plan of care. It was it's always just been a come in, we'll see what we can do today. And then come in tomorrow we'll Oh, well, you know, we'll we'll just do what we can. And it's never been a here's where we're going. This is the plan. This is why and now we're off on this adventure together of fulfilling the plan, right?Eric Dagati 14:22  Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I used to have a criteria when I, I own my own multi disciplinary facility for 12 years. And then I got kind of too busy with consulting and doing that kind of stuff. So I moved on, but when I did, I had a staff of eight trainers. And so to make sure that we kept the brand true and that the level of care up. You know, one of the things I always say is that you are not here to show exercises. I said you can get that for free at YouTube. No one needs to pay for that. And that if at any point, your client should ask you why are we doing this and you can't give them a Clear, cogent solid reason that ties specifically do their goal, then they should be able to walk out the door and get their money back. And so you have to really know in your heart that everything you're doing has purpose. And you can stand on the table and defend that purpose. Now, what I did five years ago, this goes probably for all of us. And this is what I did five years ago, certainly not what I would do today, what I did probably five months ago, wouldn't be what I would do today. But what I'm going to give you today is the best of my, of my knowledge for where you're at, and where you want to get to. And I can stand behind that wholeheartedly. And so if you don't have that, and you're just showing exercises, and you're kind of throwing that this for that against the wall, it's really doing an injustice to your clients and patients.Ari Gronich 15:44  Yeah, you know, not only to them, but to yourself, you're you're doing an injustice to yourself, because if you're settling for less than what you're capable of, then you're basically allowing yourself to have stunted growth.Eric Dagati 16:04  Yeah, well, and then not only that, you're not really distinguishing yourself. And like, like you said about, you know, why does that certain client look, you know, seek me out, they drive past a lot of gyms and trainers to get to me that are a lot easier, you know, made cheaper and more, you know, more local to where they are, but they're not going to get that. And so unless you're willing to distinguish yourself. And that also means you're putting yourself out there a little bit. And that's the same thing goes with the assessment is to say, if I'm going to tell you, we're doing this to improve this, and it doesn't, well, that's me putting it out there, that's where I want to have the confidence that I can get you there. And if I also don't have the ego to say, well, we tried this and it didn't work. That's not the path, let's quickly scrap that and let's go to something else. And that's okay. Right. And sometimes in our industry, we have too much of an ego to say that I did something that didn't work, I'm I'm okay with that. And that we learn from making mistakes, and we just have to make sure we don't stay on that mistake for too long.Ari Gronich 17:06  Yeah, you know, the way that we distinguish ourselves from being a commodity that is traded based on, you know, the cheapest cost, we want to be known as the results, the people who get those results, the people in the community who actually care about the people that are paying us and coming to see us. And in our industry, we've gotten to this place, it seems where it's kind of like an assembly line, you know, you have a time limit on the amount of time that you get to train with somebody, and even if you're not done, being fixed or bettered or whatever, it's okay, we're time's up, we're done for now. And so you have to come back and have to come back more, you know, it's like this assembly line has really affected our bottom line as far as results. So what do you think the future entails for, you know, for our industry, having, you know, in one that created such abysmal results, you know, in the in the recent past?Eric Dagati 18:29  So, I think, I think the more that you can show the art of what you do, as opposed to just the assembly line, as you said, is that, you know, I have a personal speaking with yesterday, he was interested in training, and they said, Well, you know, how many months and how many sessions I said, Well, here's how it works, is that I don't know what I'm gonna do with you, I have no idea. You can tell me what your goal is, but I don't know what it is that you need. And then the only way to figure that out is through the assessment. So the only thing you're committed to is the assessment. And then I'm going to teach you your program. And then from there, it's up to you how much you need me to execute that program. I know that program will get you to where you need to go. But how much you need me that's that's really up to you. I don't know that. So some people see me five days a week, some people see me once a month. I'm not here to do it, where you're here, I'm here for only what you need before. And in the end. Now I use tons of analogies. And I say if your goal would be like of what you want to accomplish would be like building a dream house, you're coming to me as the architect to say this is all the things I want in that dream house. I'm gonna put together the plan. But I don't have to hang every I don't have to I don't have the ego that I have to hang every wall up or run every wire or every pipe that if you have someone that can do that, or you can do it on your own even better. But I'm going to be here and if you need me to teach you the first time around, I can do that. And then from there, eventually I want to build that independence to where I'm here. Just here. For that, I'm telling you where to plant the seeds in which sees us, you have to learn to be that farmer and you have to learn to kind of grow with that. And so that that right there is a is a thing that that a lot of trainers and therapists are afraid of, because they said, Well, how do you get repeat business? Because you're good, and people talk about it and they come back, if you're locked into the only way I'll get them to come back is I kind of block them in for 1030 sessions, then that's, that's a very short sighted way of looking at things.Ari Gronich 20:30  Yeah. I'll just tell a quick little story, I had a client who had come to me after three years of going to a local chiropractor, who was, you know, in the area considered to be the the top notch chiropractor. And after three years of going to him, getting no benefit for massive sciatica pain. And in three sessions, I had him back to no pain. So we took three years, condensed it into three sessions. And then I started asking him questions, because as you said, questions are King. And the question was, okay, now that you're not in pain anymore, what would you like to accomplish? And this question that I asked kinda in my world has always taking care of the fear that you just stated, which is the fear of Where are you going to get new clients from or how they're going to come back to you? Well, I basically asked him the question, what what do you want to accomplish next? What's your what's the thing that if you could do this would make your life amazing, and he had been an extreme athlete when he was younger. And so, you know, he didn't want to do you know, jumps off a second storey balconies and things like that on his rollerblades, but he wanted to train for American Ninja Warrior. So okay, great. We created the plan, we started, the program dropped 50 pounds off his body in like no time. And all of a sudden, everybody was saying to him, Wow, you look different. Where did what happened with you? And then he would say, well, I've been working with this guy. Right? So that's how you get new business is being good at what you do, not just bringing in new leads. So one of the things I've actually said to marketing companies that that are promoting, we get you leads we get you leads is that do? Do the people you're getting leads? Do they deserve them? Are they going to give the people that are coming to them the benefit and the results that they want? Because otherwise, you should probably have me work with them first, so I can make sure they get top notch results. Now we can have add you to that list as well. Right.Eric Dagati 23:14  So they I think part of the problem is that the expectations of the person that walks in a PT clinic or walks into a gym are so low, that that I think a lot of the industry is has dropped down to that level as opposed to risen above it. And so when people walk into a gym, and I'll say, you know, one of the questions, I'll ask you those questions up front, and I'll say, How do you know you get a good workout? And the two answers I'll get 99% of the time is I sweat a lot, it was really hard. And so if that's your only criteria, anybody could do that, you know, can I tell you what come to my house this afternoon, you can shovel my driveway, you'll sweat a lot, it'll be really hard. So that's where the criteria is. And then the same price on the flip side on the on the clinical side, is that people, you know, go in and when they don't feel better. It's like, Oh, it's probably something I did. Or it's probably, you know, I have, you know, one of these labels that was slapped on him, I have a herniated disc, or I have whatever. And then you do a little education saying, Well, you know, like, 95% of the people have a disc herniation why is it that you her? And then why is that other people are getting better? And you're not? And they don't think to ask that question. The bar has been set so low and, you know, always, you know, set it say to my clients, when they're like, wow, that feels a lot better. I was like, well, that's what it's supposed to do. You know, and I joke I said, don't get don't get surprised when it works. I said be upset when it doesn't. I said we need to set the bar a little bit higher as far as what your expectation is, you came in to me to get better. And we need to agree on what that means. And then every time you walk in, you should get better. And so if we're not doing that, then we need to change The plan, but the the bar has been set so low and a lot of the industry sees that and they say, Well, I can crank out more sessions or more more patient visits or, or more classes because they don't expect much I can bring them in, put a whitener your workout up on the whiteboard, beat the crap out of them, send them on their way and let the next group come in. And, you know, and that's going to end up leading to a lot of volume initially, but there's nothing really special that you're not that you're giving that anybody else isn't giving. But you've you've raised your quality level down to what the expectations are, as opposed the other way around.Ari Gronich 25:34  Yeah, you know, I could go on about our educational system in general that has done that with our kids. And, you know, like, just industry after industry after industry that I see, that seems to have lowered the bar and the expectations and then lower the bar, and then expectations and then lower the bar and then expectations to the point where we really don't care so much about the results. Because I think that there's a sense that of hopelessness, that it's never going to get better and that this is just the way it is. And that goes along with people experiencing cancer, heart disease, diabetes, obesity, etc. And just assuming that this is the way it's always got to be. And we do nothing about fixing the systems that get us there.Eric Dagati 26:39  And that's really your that's the paradigm in which in which you see if there is a professional and you know, there's an old fable two salesmen that go out and they go out in the middle of a tribal area, and they, they're selling shoes, and they call back to the office. And the first guy says, This is terrible. These tribes, they don't wear any shoes, we're not gonna make any money here. And the second salesman calls back says, this is a goldmine, no one has shoes, we're gonna make a killing here, right? So if you can be that, that that trainer, that therapist, that coach that can distinguish yourself, there is so much out there, alright to be had. Because what you have is you have a, you have this perfect storm of people who are more and more sedentary however more and more lifestyle diseases they have, but they have more and more disposable income. And there are more discerning client than the guys I was walking into a gym with the first time I walked into a gym, you know, 3540 years ago, is that you have clients who are who are sharp enough that are business people that are that are savvy people and experienced people that know the difference that if you can show them that difference, that they will be loyal to you forever. And if you can be the person that can have the gym where people doesn't, people don't get hurt, right? Where you can be that, that that clinician that, hey, not only did they get me out of pain, but he actually got me back on my skis, he actually got me back to, to where I can play with my grandkids again, and actually made it about me and got me to another place beyond just the lowest common denominator, there is so much out there for you that you should never have to even worry about a lead generation.Ari Gronich 28:31  That that is that is true. I agree. There's plenty to be had. If, if you know how to get the job done and get that word out about it. I believe that the industry needs a little bit of a revolution. And one of my feelings is that there's a set of of modalities in the industry that need to combine. And if I'm going to be honest about it, I think that chiropractors physical therapists, massage therapists, deos and athletic trainers and personal trainers need to actually be taught all the same stuff and combined into one cohesive industry or modality or profession. Because the body is not separated into joints, muscles, nerves, bones, it's all one unit and we treat the body currently with the separation. So you have a chiropractor who will adjust you and then you know you go and you sit in your car and you twist and 10 minutes later you're out of place. So you go to the massage therapist who starts working on the muscles right By then your bones are already back out of place, then you got to go to the PT to do the joint work. And then you got to find the personal trainer. So you could actually train to get stronger. And I just it's, it seems to me kind of asinine that you'd have to do all of this separate work, go to four or five different offices, fill out four or five different kinds of forms, take four or five different tests with doctors and practitioners who are not talking to each other, right? And then assume that you're going to get the results that you want to get, and that we're going to give the results that they that people deserve. So what do you think of that theory of mine?Eric Dagati 30:45  So 18 years ago, is when I opened up my facility, and my vision was that under the same roof, we would have chiropractors, physical therapists, nutrition, yoga. And we did we had, as well as personal trainers, strength and conditioning coaches. And that was my vision. And when I started it, it was, you know, unheard of like, nobody was really thinking of that in the early 2000s. And then what's happened is, you've seen now where you have these multidisciplinary centers, but like you said, it is more of a farmers market of Okay, there's the butcher there, there's the fish market here, there's the vegetables here, but nobody is telling me, Hey, here's how you make the meal. Here's what you need from this, here's we need from that and not not having that communication. That was something I was very big on. And that's why I think there definitely needs to be a lot more cross communication, a lot more cross cross breeding of the education between there. And the the, the fear that that I think a lot of people have initially is to say, Oh, well, that's going to, that's going to infringe on my turf, or it's going to think it's going to make trainers think and this happened when I was taking all PT when I was taking PT courses, and I'm learning surely Sargon and Vladimir yonder, and I'm learning this stuff. And people are saying, well, you're a trainer while you're doing that, and you want to be a physical therapist, I said, No, I want to know what I need. Or I don't want to know when it when it gets to the edge of my, my scope? And then what then what do i do and who do I call. And so that's why I want to know enough to know when I need someone for this and that it's out of my scope. So if anything, it keeps me inside my guard rails more than anything else. So having that mutual respect to say, Look, I've gotten to the point where I have a stuck SI joint, I can't move that thing. That's not for me to do. So if you could do that, I can do some stuff. Once it's moving, that that'll kind of keep it from going back there. And we can meet back in the middle and talk shop on that. So I am I am of wholehearted belief that we definitely need to drop down those those boundaries a whole lot more. And we can get a lot more done. And if the initial fear again is, Hey, I'm going to lose business from this. But yeah, I've never worked with a another referral source if I'm referring to a PT Cairo, whoever it may be, that when we've had conversations, and we've done this type of no look pass through each other. That wasn't I didn't get more referrals from that then then the other way around.Ari Gronich 33:25  Yeah, you know, I was known as, I guess the chiropractor's chiropractor in LA, I had, I think somewhere close to 5060 chiropractors, that all would come to me. And I'm not a chiropractor. And that was really fascinating. And then the next part that was fascinating is maybe two or three of them ever sent me clientele. They all wanted me to work on them, but send me clientele, ah, because of this fear. And I just I think frankly, the fear is silly because you can have 10 chiropractors on the same street in LA and you're still not going to even come close to matching, you know, population density here, or you know what you need to I there's just I don't have any clients available. There's none available. Now. There's plenty of them available, whether it's the main streets of LA or the main streets of you know, Salem, Oregon, doesn't really matter, middle of nowhere, everywhere. There's plenty of clients for people you know, to get. But do you deserve them? Are you going to be good enough? And I guess the place where integrated clinics to me are necessary, but have fallen short is in their communication. Because you could go to an interdisciplinary clinic that nobody talks to each other. So the chiropractor says, Go see my massage therapist. Okay? But what is that massage therapist going to do to specifically help the chiropractor with what he needs to do or she needs to do in order to affect the results of that patient and the injury that they may have? That's the question. And so, but nobody's talking to each other. And so you go into these places, and you go to the the therapist, the chiropractor, the PT, but nobody's having, there's no cohesive plan of action that they're doing. And I think that that is because people don't speak the same language. One speaks the nerve language, one speaks the muscle language, one speaks to joint language. And if we were to bring our professions together more, then we might get better outcomes from them. And that doesn't mean like you said, that you have to be the jack of all trades, it means you need to know enough about the body that you're affecting, to know if what you're affecting, is going to negatively affect something else.Unknown Speaker 36:25  Right.Eric Dagati 36:26  So to steal from Kelly Starrett, he calls, he calls it being a savage generalist of what he sees really being the, the the leader of the future in our field and being able to, to not just be a mile deep, but also be a mile wide. And you know, David Epstein's book range, he talks about this and you can have, you know, if you have that multidisciplinary center where nobody's communicating, it's like, five, six people digging these parallel tunnels, but they never poke their head up to see where the the person next so they can, if they just were to join forces, they wouldn't have to, they can get a lot more done in less time. So having that ability to, to know a little bit outside of where you're at. And not this is where I was talking about where we can get so deep down a rabbit hole of talking about and I deal a lot with, with baseball athletes, and we get into the, into the minutiae, sometimes about pitchers exact degrees of hip rotation, when they when we're missing a bigger picture that this Okay, this person is, this guy's, you know, 25% body fat and, and has breathing issues and doesn't sleep and has other issues that are much bigger problems. That's not to say that, that hip rotation is not important. It's just not our primary thing right now. And so if I can get a more global approach first, sometimes a lot of those local things clean up. And that's what we kind of started as people when we do like some movement, work with them. And and we'll say, Okay, I could find 20 things wrong with you on an evaluation. But we can maybe do one toe touch drill, one breathing drill, and five of those things clear up without even directly working on that any of those things. And that's what kind of gets people to see if there's a global system that kind of overrides all of this. And like you said, it, we're not just a bunch of wires and parts, it would make our lives a lot easier, quite frankly, if you could. But this is a human dynamic that we're dealing with. It's that there's a that there's a, you know, there's a structural side, too, but there's also a physiological chemical side to and there's a mental spiritual side to that. And all those things interact. And you can't necessarily undo some of those things with structural approaches. So we have to kind of appreciate that. There's the big picture, the holistic view of it.Ari Gronich 38:57  Yeah, absolutely. I appreciate that. And so here's my, my question. This is, this is a game we're gonna play for the next few minutes. Okay. It's the game of solving the world problem. Amen. So, we have this problem where obesity, disease, inflammation, health has gone out of control. This is, this is a scenario that I'm going to call a false scenario, even though it's true. Okay, so we have this scenario. And all of the people have been brainwashed to think that the thing that's going to solve their issue is the thing that is going to hurt them and the thing that's going to hurt them is the thing that's going to solve their issue. For example, sugar versus fat, right? That bad sugar good. This is what people have been told for, you know, lots of years. So we're gonna just kind of name that. So somebody comes into you into see you that has this array of issues. Okay? In five minutes, let's solve their this person's issue. So I'm going to pretend like I'm him, and I want you to pretend like you're you. And you're gonna start as IUnknown Speaker 40:37  do every day,Ari Gronich 40:39  right? You're gonna start this process because I want I want people to kind of get an idea of what they're missing when they go to people who aren't qualified.Unknown Speaker 40:50  Okay, let's have some fun. Right?Unknown Speaker 40:53  SoAri Gronich 41:01  I just knocked. Okay, I came, I came in your office. So you're starting with me?Eric Dagati 41:10  Okay, so the first question I asked every single time is what brings you here? Why are you here?Ari Gronich 41:17  Yeah, you know, I just, I've got so many things happening. I'm so stressed. And I just want to function at my peak so I can feel good.Eric Dagati 41:30  Okay, so explain what your peak is. Because a lot of people, you're going to come in today, tomorrow and yesterday with different ideas what that peak is, what does that look like for you?Ari Gronich 41:41  Yeah, you know, I don't know, I've never really been at a peak. So I'm looking forward to experiencing what a peak might look like.Eric Dagati 41:49  Okay. So So that being said, So why aren't you there now? Like, what what's the biggest thing hold you back?Ari Gronich 41:56  Well, you know, I've got this massive inflammation. I've been told I'm insulin resistance. I eat what I feel is pretty, pretty healthy and pretty good. But, you know, I don't know cuz I'm just eating what I get. But um, you know, I'm just feeling kind of foggy. Mostly.Eric Dagati 42:20  Okay. Tell me tell me Have you? You haven't really felt that peak? Have you? Have you felt anywhere closer? Anything that you felt like you're on the on the right path at any point? Like, have you done anything? That's work?Ari Gronich 42:33  No, I just always kind of have felt this low level of energy.Eric Dagati 42:37  Okay, and then have you have you done a bunch of things that haven't worked? Meaning like, if you're burying the person kind of bounces diet to diet or workout to work out? Like, tell me a little bit about the history with that?Ari Gronich 42:48  Oh, yeah. So you know, weightwatchers when I was 14, you know, I, let's see, I did the subway diet for a little bit. Tried to Atkins. I did the Paleo for a little bit. I did some intermittent fasting. I know this is not in the right order. But you know, it's just things that I tried. Definitely, definitely. I tried to be a vegan for a little while vegetarian for a while. Didn't didn't really help.Eric Dagati 43:20  Okay. Any reason why you think any of those failed, was it you think it was like a time thing? Was it discipline? Was it? What was about those things that you think didn't work?Ari Gronich 43:30  I really don't know. Okay, that's why I tried them. And when they didn't work, I stopped trying them.Eric Dagati 43:38  Got it. Alright, so and then tell me about your your history with exercise. What have you done? Anything that's worked and work things you like things you didn't like?Ari Gronich 43:46  Yeah. So I've been an athlete my whole life, but I can't really do much anymore because the injuries what kind of injuries? Yeah, shoulder injuries, back injuries, neck injuries, knee injuries, ankle injury?Eric Dagati 43:58  Do I still bother you now? Oh, yeah. And what kind of stuff makes what would make that worse?Ari Gronich 44:07  It really just depends on the minute and the motion in that minute. Or the second, you know, really, it's like the second so I could walk and be walking and be perfectly fine. And then all of a sudden I'm step and my back goes out or you know, I could be playing tennis and be perfectly fine. And then all of a sudden, I can't move.Eric Dagati 44:32  Got it. So it's it's kind of life with the fingers crossed. Sounds like pretty much Yeah, kinda want to go out and do you want to go out and exercise and do the stuff but not sure if today is going to be the day that your body will allow you to do it. Yeah, right.Ari Gronich 44:45  Exactly.Unknown Speaker 44:46  Okay, so that being said, as the first thing I want to be able to figure out is is not to tell you what to do. I want to be able to tell you what not to do. All right. And and the the first words you've ever heard of the Hippocratic Oath are do no harm. All right, and So, unfortunately, where we got into the place with with exercise is that we're getting people hurt in the gym, right? And so I want to make sure the first thing I'm able to do is get you to move without hurting, and how am I going to know how to do that, I got to figure out which movements work and which ones don't, everything you do in the life comes down to a subset of about six to eight basic movements, I want to be able to look at those movements objectively. So we put you through a quick movement screen. And then from there, I can tell which movements Do we need to either do one of three things do we need to avoid them altogether, and maybe even get them checked out, maybe this is something I can't handle, maybe it's something that we need a chiropractor or physical therapist for, or to maybe there's something that's not optimal, but I think we can make them better in terms of doing some exercises that might clean up some of those movement flaws that you may have. But at the same time, I want to see which ones are most importantly, which ones you don't have an issue with, because those are the ones we're going to train. Alright, and those are the ones we're going to actually exercise so you can come back more resilient and stronger the next time, so but I need to know what not to do in the first place. Because if you get the you know, we could have a great workout today. But if you're hurting tomorrow, you're not coming back. So that's the first thing we're gonna do. And then the second thing is we're going to look at your nutrition, the same way we look at that your movement is to say, I don't know which ones are good or bad from you, I want to look at what is what I want to look at your habits of how you're reading now. So what I'm going to do is write down everything he drank for the next three days. And then you're going to give that to me, and we'll just kind of sit down. And we're not going to fix everything and it doesn't mean you're going to eat, you know, steamed broccoli for the rest of your life, it means we're going to look at this and say, Okay, well, where's your weakest link, it may be when you eat, it may be what you eat, it may be how you combine the foods that you eat. But most of it, what we found is about habits. And so the last piece of this is that we were not going to look at this in terms of workouts, we're not going to look at this in terms of diets, right? We didn't have a lot of these things that you're talking about 1000 years ago, right, we didn't have a lot of the low back pain, we didn't have a lot of the the weight issues that we have now. But we also didn't have workouts either, right. And so we just had good habits, and whether it was movement habits, or whether it was or feeding habits, or whether it was what I call reset habits, right because there's kind of three buckets that we have to look at here. We need you to move and move well. Alright, and then once you can move well, then you can move off and which means you can go play tennis, you can go play golf everywhere, then we need to look at your fuel, right, and that's fuel that you're going to talk about that you know obviously what you're putting in your body, what you drink, what you eat the fuel, which put in your head, you know if and that's that's kind of the the mental side of things. And we're gonna affect that by the books, you read the TV, we watch the people we hang around with the things you tell yourself, you know, those are the things that are going to talk about the fuel that's going in. So we're going to look at that. And then the last piece is the reset, is that I can only push you as far as you can recover, because we already discussed before that that building doesn't happen here. The we challenge you here, you the building happens the other 23 hours I set you out on the day. So we need to make sure you get the right reset in there. And whether that's breathing, whether that's sleeping correctly, all those things are things we need to consider as well. But we're to look at, that's gonna sound overwhelming. Initially, I need to kind of get a picture of where you're at from a movement standpoint, where you're at from a fuel standpoint, and you know, the questionnaire or what have you fill out, it's gonna tell me a little about your reset standpoint. And then we're gonna see where the biggest issue is, and the big issue, then we start from there. And then we're gonna say, here's your habit for this week that you got to work on. From a movement standpoint, here's your habit, from a fuel standpoint, here's your habit from a reset standpoint. And then once you can check that box and you've you've kind of passed that lesson, then I'm going to give you another one, and I got plenty of you're never gonna run out of lessons. So we're gonna take this as far as you're willing to go. But you can't get to lesson two and two, you've passed lesson one, and that's going to be our process.Ari Gronich 49:07  Awesome. So the only thing I think that I would like to add to that, and I you know, I did this so that the audience can hear what they're missing from the people that they're going to because this is the way to do a proper assessment is take the the time and this is obviously condensed greatly, but take the time to ask these questions to provide this kind of a proper plan and explanation of the plan. But the one thing that I would add is, I always ask the questions about the person's family and the person's history emotionally with food mentally, and with with, you know, what is stopping them. I'll ask them about their family if and their friends are Their family and friends, like into barbecues every week. Are they you know, going out and drinking all the time? are they telling you? And are they, you know, basically pushing you to do and participate with them in behaviors that may not be good for you specifically. So I'll get into all of that as well. But But yeah, this is this is very good. Thank you for, for doing that and playing that game with me.Eric Dagati 50:31  Absolutely. And then and then letting them know, along that so if we look at that triad of health of chemical, mental, structural, there's things we can control. And there's things we can't structurally I'd love to be taller, it's not happening, right? But there's things we can control. And what we want to look at is what are the factors you can control? And then from there, how willing are you to establish what I call non negotiable habits to say, okay, you he that part of what my days that you're going to do this breathing exercise for 10 minutes every single day, and no, no matter it's snow, hail, sleet, rain, sun, whatever, you're going to get that 10 minutes, and then that just becomes part of what you do. And that's so different than, you know, nobody goes around complaining all day saying, brushing my teeth is killing me morning night, brushing my teeth, it just became part of an accepted non negotiable habit that you don't think of not brushing your teeth, it's just part of what you do. And then we're gonna establish habits like that for you, I don't know what the non negotiables are going to be for you. But you're going to have to decide on those and you can't let outside influences steer you off that course.Ari Gronich 51:35  Right? Well, for me non negotiable. You know, I only brush my teeth once every two months.Eric Dagati 51:45  And if that works, it's hard for me to argue with you. Yeah.Ari Gronich 51:51  So we've kind of gone through some of how an audience member might choose differently when they're choosing their therapists or trainers or people. What's the number one thing that you might say to a trainer, therapist person, if they're operating under the standards of care. And they are afraid of moving away from that in order to actually get results because of being investigated or having licenses looked at? I know a lot of chiropractors have moved under that functional medicine by taking away their DC and and joining organizations like the pastoral Medical Association, for instance, in order to basically shift their liabilities. But what would you say to somebody who is looking at the system and going, this is not working. And I'd really like to see it change, because I do like activists.Unknown Speaker 53:06  SoEric Dagati 53:07  I think the more you can prove that you can get to this same point faster, it's going to leave you time to do those types of things that you want. And not so much to your point in the scope of practice. But But let's say if you get really good at at your assessment piece, and the ability to kind of ascertain what someone needs, you can sharp shoot much more what it is that you want to do in terms of treatment. So, you know, it goes back to you know, Abraham Lincoln said, if he gave me, you know, five hours to cut down the tree, I'm gonna spend the first four and a half sharpening the blade. And so if you can really dial in your assessment, while the the therapist at the table next to me or the trainer on the floor next to me is spending three weeks trying to figure out how to address this issue, I get it done in in three days. Because I took more time off, I invested the time up front, and I was able to sharp shoot as opposed to taking the shotgun approach to everything. Now what that does is the other 27 days or that I have that you don't have that you were kind of fumbling in doing trial and error. It gives me the freedom to do a lot more things. Okay, and it gives me a freedom to do a lot more things in that. Were the biggest constraint for a lot of people is especially therapists is time will say, Well, now Yeah, I just opened up some more time for you here. Just you got to make the deal to you know, if it's the head of the clinic to say I tell you what if I can get this done and get them to where I need to, in less time, just don't shove more clients in I make more patients in my schedule more clients on my schedule. Let me use that time to do more things with them. And that's going to allow me to get them back on the skis. Get them to be able to do the things that they ultimately came here for not just to be void of their their knee pain. And the same thing goes on on the training side to say, I want to be able to say I can do a whole lot more for you than you even expected. But to do that, I have to make sure I'm really dialed in and efficient with my time. And that's meaning, I need to know how to sharp shoot this thing, and not just take the shotgun approach of this for that, and I'm gonna try out 90 different exercises today, where if I can really dial it down to the one or two that you need, that gives me the rest of the time to really to, to grow and do more different things.Ari Gronich 55:32  Yeah, test test, test, test, test, test, test, test. And then fire.Unknown Speaker 55:41  Yes. So yeah, measure toAri Gronich 55:43  measure twice, cut once, right? In our profession, it can be really devastating, to not measure first, and just fire. Right? I mean, we can cause a lot of damage. And that's, that's kind of the the last thing like, we tend to cause a lot of damage these days where, you know, you you mentioned this a little bit earlier, but we tend to cause injuries quite a bit because of our lack of ability to individualize treatments. And you know, that that's a big problem in that we're having, I mean, I know, CrossFit is getting a lot of slack for being the number one most sued system in history for injuries, but that's just one of them. I mean, we do it a lot. So how do we how do you think that we can, as an industry avoid, causing more damage than then we're solvingEric Dagati 56:50  the challenges, the damage that we're causing isn't always immediate, right? If every time you did an exercise that was inappropriate for you, you immediately need to go to the hospital, there'd be a running ambulance in front of every gym in America. But it's, it's it's not that it's, it's what happens is, is you do it, and it leaves a little bit of, you know, Chip, and then the next time it's a little bit of a chip, it's kind of like, you know, the Andy defraying, breaking out of the prison and Shawshank Redemption, it just puts a little bit takes a little bit away. And then what happens, that person goes to shovel snow, and they hurt their back and they say, Oh, I hurt my back shoveling snow, no, you hurt your back the last 20 years with your bad posture, bad habits and whatever it was. And that was the proverbial straw that broke it. And so there isn't this one to one aspect of always immediately seeing the result of our poor choices professionally, on our clients and patients. And so because of that, we assume sometimes we're doing better than we really are. And on the end user, they don't automatically make the assumption and our connection, that this is because I'm doing the wrong things in the gym, or I'm getting the wrong type of treatment. And so that's what's that's what makes it challenging is that it's not an absolute one to one immediacy of what you're seeing the results of what we're doing. And so that's where you may not even see the result of you know, it taking it to a philosophical level, that patient that you failed. Now, that is that case scenario we said before, that wants to play tennis that wants to be active. And now all of a sudden, because they failed, they take that burden on themselves, and now they become more sedentary. And that just compiles more and more different risk factors on top of that, and that, you know, I talked about that what we call a fork in the road where we get to see a lot of people. And if you can get someone like yourself from steers them on the right path, how life changing that can be. But if they go and I felt a little better, but it's not good. I just have this pinched nerve. And this is just me, this is my label, this is what I got. And then I'm just gonna let that happen to me. And then I'm going to gain 10 pounds, and that turns into 15. And then I have blood pressure medication and cholesterol medication. Allison, I'm this huge health risk. That's a hugely different different pathway that they went on. And all it needed was the right steering to get on that right road. And so that's what we're not seeing. We're not seeing that once one immediate. So you want to be able to see the client that you failed 10 years down the road, what effect of that halfAri Gronich 59:32  that's a that's profound. So I hope that for those trainers and people that are out there listening that are in the profession, I think, I hope that what he just said what Eric just said, really went through to your soul because you don't know what you can't see. And so I mean, I've gotten a lot of clients Coming in, who've been injured by trainers and therapists and people like that, and they'll never tell, they'll never tell the therapist or the trainer that they got hurt on their watch, they just won't show up again. And so all the trainer therapist knows as well, that person didn't show up, I need more leads, right. But they didn't show up because you hurt them. You know. And so sometimes it's like you said, over a long haul, 20 years of creating imbalanced movement and compensation patterns and things like that, and it could be an immediate, you know, I picked up that weight wrong, and, and twisted my back, you know, I mean, I've seen people herniated discs from sneezing and twisting at the same time. So, you know, I just, I want the profession I want the people in the profession, as is, obviously my desire, my selfishness, to really get an idea of the fact that they can either be a purveyor of hope, or they could be a purveyor of hopelessness and fear, you can either create a result that creates a, you know, optimism and high performance, or you can create a result that leads people to sedentary movement, and afraid to go work out. And that's a choice that we all have to make. Eric, you've been a tremendous guest. And I really appreciate you know, this information, I know, it's, I take things into places that are sometimes a little darker than then, you know, we would like because I'm definitely all about, let's expose, to the dark, you know, expose the darkness to the light, so to speak, let's let's take these hidden things that are in our professions and expose them for the world to see. So maybe we get some change in some difference. But anyway, I really appreciate you coming on helping helping to expose some of this stuff. You know, why don't you tell us a little bit about how people could get ahold of you if they'd like to. And any tips or tricks I know you've started, you know, stated a number of them, but any tips or tricks for helping create a new tomorrow today?Eric Dagati 1:02:33  Yeah. Well, in terms of finding, finding me could just the easiest place to just go to my website, which is Eric dagati.com. And then you have all my social media and so forth that you can find on there. And feel free to reach out with any questions directly through that. And then in terms of any tips is I go back to those, what I call the three big things of a move, fuel and reset, and don't lose sight of those. And if you're not where you want to be, there's there's something missing in one of those three buckets, if not all of them. And we can get away with having something missing in some of those buckets, if we're strong enough, and the other two to make up for. But you can't drain all three of those. And so looking at making sure do I move well, and if I do move, well, do I move enough? If or do I not move well, but I move too much, right? Any one of those combat combinations is not good. And then the second is fuel, what am I putting into my body, whether it's a, whether it's what I eat, what I drink, or what i what i think and listen to and experience and expose myself to because that all leaves an imprint, just like every cell in your body is made out of, of amino acids from the proteins and, and, and glycogen from from those sugars and fatty acids, a cholesterol from your fats, all your cells are a byproduct of what's your fuel is And the same thing goes for what's going on. On a larger scale. It's your spirit and that's fuel that you put in into your head. And then the last piece is you're giving yourself a chance to reset. And then with that reset that reset doesn't always have to be an external thing. It's meaning that reset doesn't mean that I go to a cryo tank every day or I got a couple $100 massage gun or both things not that that's necessarily a bad thing. But if you're constantly relying on those, you're probably you know, off somewhere else. That Am I sleeping right? And am I getting the right reset? Am I breathing right even those those simple things, if you can check those boxes, then a lot of the other stuff falls into place. So establishing the right habits and those three categories i think is the biggest thing to get started and then you want to get down into the weeds. We can certainly do that but not until you've checked those three boxes.Unknown Speaker 1:05:01  Awesome, thankAri Gronich 1:05:01  you so much, Eric for coming on for providing the audience with your education, your wisdom, and, and I look forward to seeing what you create in in our industry and the movement that develops because you're teaching this kind of system and this kind of care to our industry. So thank you very much for that.Unknown Speaker 1:05:27  I appreciate the opportunity.Ari Gronich 1:05:28  Absolutely. 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Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:07  Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host, Ari Gronich and today with me is Merrick Rosenberg. And Merrick is the co founder of team builders plus, which was in 1991. And take flight learning in 2012. He's the author of three books, personality wins the chameleon and taking flight. These are all books about tapping into the power of your personality. So this is where it becomes interesting, because we're going to talk to mark today about personalities, and the ways in which these personalities define the reality that we live in. So he doesn't know that yet. But he does now. So Merrick, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself how you got to forming this system regarding personalities, and how it may differ from some of the other well known personality discovery tools out there. So you'reMerrick Roseberg 1:14  by back in 91, as you mentioned, I started one of the first team building companies in the country. And it didn't take long to realize that, wow, people just don't get along. And teams are dysfunctional, because of personality, that people just don't understand each other, they don't understand themselves. And, you know, the reality is the most self aware people are the happiest, and they tend to achieve their goals in life, they tend to have happy relationships. And that led me to this exploration of understanding personality styles, and there just are so many tools out there.Ari Gronich 1:48  There's all of these different kinds of Tell me how you came out, came about finding this style. OrMerrick Roseberg 1:57  if you go back to the early 1900s, and even 1000s of years ago, in the early 1900s, William Marston had put together what he called the disc model, which was di sc. Now, it was fascinating. It was just rang true. But what's what's really cool about that is is it paralleled what had been around for 1000s of years to Greek culture, the ancient Chinese civilization all over the world, people had four style systems, they call them different things. in corporate America, people tend to know them as the disc model di sc. But I just wanted to make it easier. And I was teaching the letters and I found that people weren't remembering them and, and I wanted to write a book about it. I've kept feeling like, I'm going to constantly have to say, the take charge D, and the energetic, enthusiastic I and like, no one's gonna remember that. And then like I said, I wish it was visual and symbolic. And like in a flash of insight in a moment, like this download the idea of linking it to four birds came to me and then I built a whole business around it, because it's just a matter of teaching people about themselves and the birds made it easy.Ari Gronich 3:04  Alright, so we're gonna play, we're gonna play a little game. You ready? I'm ready. All right. So I haven't I haven't done this before. I do have a little bit of noise.So we're gonna play with some of my toys I haven't played with before. And I'm going to name somebody and you're going to name a personality to go with that.Merrick Roseberg 3:32  Hopefully, I ready?Ari Gronich 3:34  You're reading okay. So we've got Albert Einstein.Merrick Roseberg 3:38  So Einstein much more of an owl very logical, very analytical. He's interesting because he had a little bit of a parasite. He was actually kind of a funny funny guy. But But owl primary style for sure. And everybody's not just one you could be a combination of multiple styles.Ari Gronich 3:52  Absolutely. Elan musk.Merrick Roseberg 3:55  Elon Musk is interesting. He certainly has a lot of Eagle take charge. I want to go where no one has gone before that like James T. Kirk, but he's got a lot of parrot to the I'm gonna send my my car to Mars. I mean, who does that that's a parrot thing to do.Ari Gronich 4:14  All right, Bill Gates,Merrick Roseberg 4:16  Bill Gates, very much of that owl style, very logical, analytical. I mean, if you think Microsoft is the name micro soft of its detail, when he first started the company, he was creating little mini programs. I mean, so well.Ari Gronich 4:32  All right. Gandhi,Merrick Roseberg 4:34  Gandhi very much the dove, that caring soft spoken, compassionate style, but he also had some Eagle which is interesting, because he he was very much the that what I call that activist style that picture the dove, we care about people and that Eagle, I'm going to fight for people's rights but not with aggression, but more with that dove patients but we will win which is the eagle so it's kind of a debate. Eagle combination style, very interesting pattern.Ari Gronich 5:02  Okay. Martin Luther King,Merrick Roseberg 5:06  actually very similar to Gandhi has that Dove Style and the eagle they're very eloquent style because they speak both with compassion and conviction. And so Gandhi, Martin Luther King Obama all shared that style.Ari Gronich 5:22  Okay, Muhammad Ali,Merrick Roseberg 5:24  Muhammad Ali, you know, you think Muhammad Ali a boxer you think Eagle comes up? But no, he actually had a lot of parrot. He was fun. He was funny, but very compassionate. He had a parrot and a dub style, which is very atypical for what we would stereo stereo typically think of a fighter, people. Everybody has stories of just what a nice caring, compassionate guy he was.Ari Gronich 5:46  Interesting. All right. Let's go with Trump. TrumpMerrick Roseberg 5:51  dove right now definitely not a dove. He is he is the eagle. Kind of all Eagle all the time. Direct, assertive bottom line, take charge confident that is the picture of an eagle it would be Donald Trump.Ari Gronich 6:07  Alright, BidenMerrick Roseberg 6:09  are getting heightened by politics. Yeah, much more of a parrot and a dove. He always has that big smile, very empathetic and caring. And look, he's made a lot of gaffes throughout his career. He's always done it, that's a parent thing to do. There's a thin filter between thinking and speaking. And parents sometimes say things out loud, and they're like, Oh, no, did I say that out loud. And then he has to walk it back at the parrot thing to do with ease. But he has a lot of depth to very caring, very compassionate.Unknown Speaker 6:36  Alright, Bernie, Bernie,Merrick Roseberg 6:39  Bernie's got a lot of Eagle. Very just, um, take charge, I'm doing my own thing, I'm gonna be the one independent guy in the whole Senate. I don't even care if you don't agree with me, I'm doing what I want. But he also has a little bit of dove in there. Sometimes he has those moments where he'll you'll see tears forming in his eyes. He's just so passionate about what he cares about.Ari Gronich 7:01  Alright, so now that now that we went through this little exercise, right? personality types for that are that are good for people who are leaders. So let's say you want to be a leader, you want to be a follower, you want to be the guy who gets on board. So let's, let's kind of map the personality types that somebody would need if they're starting a movement?Merrick Roseberg 7:31  Sure, well, here's, here's the first thing to recognize that there is no, this is the style of a leader, if you want to what I was thinking is you're just activating that potential in you, you're getting yourself to that place where you're the highest version of yourself, accomplishing the absolute most you can accomplish in this life. It doesn't matter what your style is, your style does not determine how successful you will be. But your style absolutely determines how you go about being successful.Ari Gronich 8:02  Gotcha. So let's go back to politics a little bit. And it's not going to necessarily apply the way I would think it would apply. But if I was to say, read, write, what personality types might pop up or blue, what personality types might pop up. I believe that it's probably going to be pretty diverse, based on what you just said. So I'm going to ask you that in a little bit different way. What personality types are playing an effect in the noise that's being made currently, because we all hear about the silent majority and the loud minority? So where does that silent majority play in their personality types versus the loud minority? Well,Merrick Roseberg 8:58  look, when you there's no doubt that when you have eagles and parrots, they're much more outgoing and boisterous that they don't tend to be in any kind of silent majority. That's true in a staff meeting. You don't if Eagles if you have someone who's an eagle parrot, and they have a concern, do you think they just sit there quietly and don't say anything? No way. But what happens is I think we're seeing the doves and and owls are much more introverted. They're much more reserved. And they're being more energized now to speak. And then just a word, I think we're starting to hear a larger percentage of the population than we usually have heard before, which is often that kind of parrot Eagle, loud boisterous style. We're hearing more from the owls and the dubs than we've ever heard before.Ari Gronich 9:48  Yeah, I think I think that's a good note, to leave the audience on. And, as always, I asked, you know, for two to three, maybe four tips, tricks, things that somebody can act upon immediately. I think you just gave one I'm gonna have you repeat it. But yeah, just what are some things that people can do to create their new tomorrow today? Well,Merrick Roseberg 10:15  the first piece is going into you got, as I said earlier got to have that level of self awareness recognize your bird style, so you're aren't imposing it on others. I would take a variety of things like amount of information, how much information do you provide the people around you, you provide an owl very different than the amount of information you provide an eagle or a parrot. So start tuning into how much information you're communicating, start tuning into how you're communicating to the people around you. Is it very directly and bluntly like an eagle? Is it softer? Like a dub is more logical? like an owl? Is it energetic, like a parrot? How are you coming across to the people around you? And are you imposing your style on them? So start taking a look at just communication is a great place? How much information you share? How do you share it? And are you treating them how you want to be treated? Or are you treating them how they want to be treated. And if we honor people who are who they are, you create strong relationships, if you honor yourself, and put yourself in a role were in a place where your style strengths can shine, man, you're just going to be able to accomplish anything. But if you are in a in a role, or in a job that you have to constantly do things that are outside of your personality, it's going to be exhausting, you can never be the highest version of yourself when your job exhausts you, every day, find ways to do what is meaningful to you.Ari Gronich 11:42  Awesome. And that's a really good reminder for any HR rep CEO, CFO, who's thinking of treating their employees, like their deficit on the balance sheet instead of an asset is you know, if you want them to be an asset for you, treat them the way they need to be treated for their personality. And you'll get more out of them. And so that is, that's awesome. And I really appreciate you being here and all of this information that you've laid down on, on the crowd. So how can somebody get ahold of you, if they want to get ahold of you,Merrick Roseberg 12:20  you can go to take flight learning.com. And you can discover just the range of training programs that we have there and you can reach out and on Twitter, it's at merrick. and also on LinkedIn, connect with me and I always try to put a little daily dose of bird wisdom so people can keep learning about the styles.Ari Gronich 12:42  Awesome. Awesome. And so I'm imagining that this book take flight is not about being a pilot.Merrick Roseberg 12:51  It is not it both taking flight and the chameleon are taking flight is one long fable that allows you to see the birds in action and then the second half of the book is okay. Now how do you apply it in your life? It's kind of like writing a movie. The next book the chameleon was like writing a series in a season of a sitcom has 22 fables like each one's a different episode? Sometimes eagles and parrots sometimes doves analysis, sometimes all four with the all knowing chameleon that teaches you about yourself. And each each one of those fables has a different lesson of how to apply the styles in your life. And so they're fun. You'll see yourself in the stories are these good? Yeah, they're really for adults. But I've had many people say to me that they've sat and they read them with their children. I've had many people say they get the audio book and they just they drive and listen to a fable and then turn it off and then have a whole conversation with the family about how that is playing out within that that family itself so kids will getAri Gronich 13:51  it. Yeah, awesome. So we'll we'll see about being able to get a link or something for an ebook or audio book or whatever we can do for the audience so that they can check you out, check out your book, and, and hopefully, learn a little bit about personalities, help themselves move into a new tomorrow and activate their vision for a better world. I am your host, Ari Gronich. This has been a fantastic episode, talking to Merrick about personalities and birds and you know, the birds and the bees with regards to personalities, having this amazing amount of information for both corporations as well as relationships is great. So, thank you so much.Unknown Speaker 14:48  We would love it ifAri Gronich 14:48  you would like review Rate, Comment, Subscribe. Participate in a conversation about this information will will look forward to hearing from you and talking to you. So thank you so much. We'll be with you again next time.

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Hi, I am here with Merrick Rosenberg. He is is a keynote speaker and thought leader on personality styles and team development. He co-founded Team Builders Plus in 1991 and Take Flight Learning in 2012. He is the author of The Chameleon and co-author of Taking Flight!CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY MERRICK FOR MORE INFOhttps://www.takeflightlearning.com/me...JOIN NOW!! AND BE PART OF MASTERMIND PROGRAMlearn how to activate yourself for a better future!https://createanewtomorrow.com/master...CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/giftDO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?Book an appointment now and let's create a new world together!https://booking.builderall.com/calend...CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.comhttps://www.Achievehealthusa.comCreate a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ari Gronich 0:00  I'm Ari Gronich. And this is create a new tomorrow podcast.Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host, Ari Gronich and today with me is Marrick Rosenberg. And Merrick is the co founder of team builders plus, which was in 1991. And take flight learning in 2012. He's the author of three books, personality wins the chameleon and taking flight. These are all books about tapping into the power of your personality. So this is where it becomes interesting, because we're going to talk to tumeric today about personalities, and the ways in which these personalities define the reality that we live in. So he doesn't know that yet. But he does now. So Merrick, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself how you got to forming this system regarding personalities, and how it may differ from some of the other well known personality discovery tools out there. SoMerrick Roseberg 1:22  by back in 91, as you mentioned, I started one of the first team building companies in the country. And it didn't take long to realize that, wow, people just don't get along. And teams are dysfunctional, because of personality, that people just don't understand each other, they don't understand themselves. And, you know, the reality is the most self aware people are the happiest, and they tend to achieve their goals in life, they tend to have happy relationships. And that led me to this exploration of understanding personality styles, and they're just for so many tools out there that were using letters and colors was like an alphabet soup. And it was confusing. People just didn't remember it, you'd go back six months later, and they're like, wait, I'm the red, which one's red again, or I'm the this letter that letter, it's like, okay, it's got to be easier. And I taught it like that for a long time. That's how I was taught to teach the styles I worked with, with over 100,000 people teaching personalities, styles, too. And, you know, I go back, and people just weren't remembering it. And that's when the birds flew into my world and just came up with an easier, more visual, tangible way to teach people about themselves. And of course, everybody else in their life, too.Ari Gronich 2:33  That's awesome. So, you know, tell me a little bit about the birds and how, how you came about them? Because, you know, again, you like you said, most people I'm a green, I'm a red, I'm a green, red, I'm a yellow blue. Or I'm an inf G or a j FY. And there's all of these different kinds. So tell me how you came out came about finding this style. OrMerrick Roseberg 3:05  if you go back to the early 1900s. And even 1000s of years ago, in the early 1900s, William Marston had put together what he called the disc model, which was di sc. Now, it was fascinating. It was just rang true. But what's what's really cool about that is, is it paralleled what had been around for 1000s of years to Greek culture, the ancient Chinese civilization all over the world, people had four style systems, they called them different things. in corporate America, people tend to know them as the disk model di sc. But I just wanted to make it easier. And I was teaching the letters and I found that people weren't remembering them and, and I wanted to write a book about it. And I've kept feeling like, I'm gonna constantly have to say, the take charge D, and the energetic, enthusiastic eye and like, no one's gonna remember that. And then like I said, I wish it was visual and symbolic and like in a flash of insight in a moment, like this download the idea of, of linking it to four birds came to me and then I built a whole business around it, because it's just a matter of teaching people about themselves and the birds made it easy.Ari Gronich 4:12  So which bird is which personality? real quick? Yep.Merrick Roseberg 4:16  So speed version. I think of an eagle. That's what's called the dominant D style. Eagles are take charge assertive, they are bottom line, results oriented, that power pose you could see almost like that, that superhero. I'm in charge, power pose. Let's make things happen. The eye is what's often referred to as that interactive or influencing style. Parents are social, they're talkative, they're outgoing, everything's all good. Always works out. They're the eternal optimist. They just bring energy and fun. The dove is the supportive, very sensitive s style. dubs are caring and compassionate. symbols of hope and peace and love all throughout the world. They just want everyone to be happy and get along. And owls are that conscientious, but it's the sea style. owls are logical and analytical and thoughtful. We always think of them as wise. But of course, any style can be intelligent. But we attribute that to them because they're so thoughtful and there, they look like they're processing and taking in information. And if they're going to do something, they do it right. So that gives you the four birds that assertive D fun parrot. Caring dove, logical owl.Ari Gronich 5:35  Alright, so we're gonna play we're gonna play a little game. You ready?Merrick Roseberg 5:39  I'm ready. All right.Ari Gronich 5:40  So I haven't I haven't done this before. I do haveUnknown Speaker 5:46  a little bit of noise.Ari Gronich 5:53  So we're gonna play with some of my toys I haven't played with before. And I'm going to name somebody and you're going to name a personality to go with that.Unknown Speaker 6:03  Hopefully,Ari Gronich 6:04  I'm ready. You're ready. Okay. So we've got Albert Einstein.Merrick Roseberg 6:09  So Einstein much more of an owl very logical, very analytical. He's interesting because he had a little bit of a parasite. It was actually kind of a funny, funny guy. But But our primary style for sure. And everybody's not just one you could be a combination of multiple styles.Ari Gronich 6:23  Absolutely. Elan musk.Merrick Roseberg 6:26  Elon Musk is interesting. He certainly has a lot of Eagle take charge I want to go where no one has gone before that like James T. Kirk, but he's got a lot of parrot to the I'm gonna send my my car to Mars. I mean, who does that that's a parrot thing to do.Ari Gronich 6:45  All right, Bill Gates,Merrick Roseberg 6:47  Bill Gates, very much of that owl style, very logical, analytical. I mean, if you think Microsoft is the name micro soft of its detail, when you first started the company was creating little mini programs. I mean, so well.Ari Gronich 7:03  Alright,Merrick Roseberg 7:04  Gandhi, Gandhi very much the dove, that caring soft spoken, compassionate style, but he also had some Eagle which is interesting, because he, he was very much the that what I call that activist style, that picture that dove, we care about people and that Eagle, I'm going to fight for people's rights, but not with aggression, but more with that dove patients but we will win which is the eagle so it's kind of a double Eagle combination style. Very interesting pattern.Ari Gronich 7:33  Okay. Martin Luther King,Merrick Roseberg 7:37  actually very similar to Gandhi has that Dove Style and the eagle they're very eloquent style because they speak both with compassion and conviction. And so Gandhi, Martin Luther King Obama all shared that style.Ari Gronich 7:52  Okay, Muhammad Ali.Merrick Roseberg 7:54  Muhammad Ali. You know, you think Muhammad Ali a boxer you think Eagle comes up? But no, he actually had a lot of parrot. He was fun. He was funny, but very compassionate. He had a parrot and a Dove Style, which is very atypical for what we would stereo stereotypically think of a fighter. People. Everybody has stories of just what a nice caring, compassionate guy he was.Ari Gronich 8:17  Interesting. AllMerrick Roseberg 8:18  right. Let's go with Trump. Trump that dove right now definitely not enough. He is. He is the eagle. Kind of all. Eagle all the time. Direct, assertive bottom line, take charge confident that is the picture of an eagle. It would be Donald Trump.Ari Gronich 8:38  All right, Biden are getting eaten by politics.Merrick Roseberg 8:42  Yeah, much more of a parrot and a dove. He always has that big smile. very empathetic and caring. And look, he's made a lot of gaffes throughout his career. He's always done it. That's a parrot thing to do. There's a thin filter between thinking and speaking. And parents sometimes say things out loud. They're like, Oh, no, can I say that out loud. And then he has to walk it back at the parent thing to do with ease, but he has a lot of love to very caring, very compassionate.Unknown Speaker 9:07  Alright, Bernie,Merrick Roseberg 9:09  Bernie. Bernie's got a lot of Eagle. Very just, um, take charge. I'm doing my own thing. I'm gonna be the one independent guy in the whole Senate. I don't even care if you don't agree with me. I'm doing what I want. But he also has a little bit of dove in there. Sometimes he has those moments where he'll you'll see tears forming in his eyes. He's just so passionate about what he cares about.Ari Gronich 9:28  Yeah, he does have a bit of a, you know, posture of an eagle at this point.Merrick Roseberg 9:34  Yeah, he is Eagle but I think he's got a little DuffAri Gronich 9:38  All right, let's see. Buckminster Fuller.Merrick Roseberg 9:43  I think a lot of owl kind of very thoughtful, logical, more detailed. Okay.Ari Gronich 9:52  Last but not least, let's see here. MadonnaMerrick Roseberg 10:04  is a great one. You know, I think she she kind of beats to her own drum, which is very much an eagle thing. But I but I think she also has a lot of parrot in there too, that just flamboyant, I'm just gonna put myself out there. I don't care what anybody else thinks. I think it's a combination of eagle and parrot. All right, so do you think what were you think those are accurate as Yes.Ari Gronich 10:28  I'm giving you my.Alright, so now that now that we went through this little exercise, right? personality types, four that are that are good for people who are leaders. So let's say you want to be a leader, you want to be a follower, you want to be the guy who gets on board. So let's, let's kind of map the personality types that somebody would need if they're starting a movement?Merrick Roseberg 11:05  Sure, well, here's, here's the first thing to recognize that there is no, this is the style of a leader. If you want to win, I always think of you're just activating that potential in you, you're getting yourself to that place where you're the highest version of yourself, accomplishing the absolute most you can accomplish in this life. It doesn't matter what your style is, your style does not determine how successful you will be. But your style absolutely determines how you go about being successful. So so I'll give you some examples that just kind of staying along this line of what we just did. Richard Branson parrot self made billionaire, Bill Gates out, self made billionaire, Howard Schultz from Starbucks, he is the dove I once heard him say, I want to create a company that my father never got to work at. I mean, it's just that caring, compassionate, dove, self made billionaire Steve Jobs, Eagle, another self made billionaire. Look, this is what you get when you are someone who taps into the power of your personality, and just takes your personality and creates something amazing. And that's what all of them did. So your personality isn't gonna determine how successful you are going to be. But you can bet it determines how you go about itAri Gronich 12:22  is a determine the position that you might take in the company like Bill Gates might take a position based on his personality he made the success may not depend on the personality type, but does the role that you playMerrick Roseberg 12:41  for sure. Look, when I meet somebody like Bill Gates, that owl style is overwhelmingly I see them in engineering and finance it. And and that's, that's his world, where somebody like a parrot, like I'll use Richard Branson, he's the marketing guy, his genius is in his marketing. And that's when you go into a marketing department, you go into social media, you go into a PR firm, you find tons of parents. So that's how he drove his success. parrot. sensationalism. It's dramatic, it's big, but it's over the top. And that's how he he put himself out there. So exactly, exactly, you will find certain people will be drawn to certain jobs, because that's what feeds them.Ari Gronich 13:25  So if you're hiring, though, if you're if you're looking for looking for team, right? How do you use those roles as your marker for what you're doing? Because I know a lot of people will just hire based on gut versus information. And soMerrick Roseberg 13:49  that's right. And the big thing to recognize is that you have to be careful that you just don't hire in your own image. managers do this all the time. You've got an eagle manager there, take charge and assertive. And they think, Hey, I was once in this role that I'm trying to fill. And I know what it takes to be successful. You've got to be assertive and dominant, and you got to stand in your power. And so what do they look for somebody just like that. But maybe there's a dove, who would handle the job very differently, but be equally successful. But you've screened them out because you feel like oh, no, no, I don't want that I know what I need in this job. So the first thing is you have to be careful not to impose your personality on this role, because someone else may do it very well. And we've seen this you could have a salesperson who's a parrot salesperson who's an owl, they're both fantastic, amazing sales, but you can bet they sell differently. And that's okay. And so the other thing that we sometimes need to think about in hiring is, am I filling in a gap in the team? Maybe I don't have any owls on our team, and we make quick decision and quick decisions. No But he says, you know, maybe we should think this through first, maybe we should consider the following have we thought about this, if you had an owl on your team, they would do that. So sometimes you could use hiring as an opportunity to fill in for one of these gaps that they're missing one of the styles, because when you miss one, it's a potential blind spot in your team. So it could be a part of the hiring decision, everything else that you're looking at background experience, all that's important. But I do think style that personality should be a piece of the puzzle. It's one part of it that if you leave it out, sometimes you're missing something significant.Ari Gronich 15:37  Gotcha. So let's go back to politics a little bit. And it's not going to necessarily apply the way I would think it would apply. But if I was to say, read, write, what personality types might pop up, or blue, what personality types might pop up, I believe that it's probably going to be pretty diverse, based on what you just said. So I'm going to ask you that in a little bit different way. What personality types are playing an effect in the noise that's being made currently, because we all hear about the silent majority, and the loud minority? So where does that silent majority play in their personality types versus the loud minority? Well,Merrick Roseberg 16:33  look, when you there's no doubt that when you have eagles and parrots, they're much more outgoing and boisterous that they don't tend to be in any kind of silent majority. That's true in a staff meeting. If you don't, if Eagles if you have someone who's an eagle parrot, and they have a concern, do you think they just sit there quietly? And don't say anything? No way. But what happens is I think we're seeing the doves and and owls are much more introverted, they're much more reserved. And they're being more energized now to speak, and then just say, we're, I think we're starting to hear a larger percentage of the population than we usually have heard before, which is often that kind of parrot, Eagle, loud, boisterous style. We're hearing more from the owls and the dubs than we've ever heard before.Unknown Speaker 17:24  Okay.Ari Gronich 17:27  So if we're hearing from the owls, I would assume, right, that the things that we'd be hearing would include with logic and wisdom, and, you know, and thought and foresight, and all those kinds of things. That's what I would think of, if I'm, you know, looking at what, what aMerrick Roseberg 17:52  right, but yeah, for sure.Ari Gronich 17:56  And yet, I don't really see that kind of introspection and foresight, and so forth, and the things that are being said right now. And not only that, but the doves seem to be getting a little bit of a of an attitude themselves, the people I would normally have thought of, as the compassionate, you know, empathetic kind of, you know, people so they seem seem to be, you know, getting their beaks nice and sharpened for for the pecking soMerrick Roseberg 18:26  well, it's because if you think first of all, you think about, think about dubs, I, I've always described them from like a, how they get upset perspective. It's like, they don't say anything, that they don't say anything, then they don't say anything. And then one day, it's just like, boom, and it explodes. And so I think we're seeing a level of frustration, that that we've never seen before just coming out. And, and I think, to your point, I think that what we're seeing what we're also seeing is, there's a lot of Eagle energy out there in that, which doesn't have a lot of detail behind it. But says, you know, this, there's a this is a bad situation and follow me, I will fix it. You know, I alone will fix what's going on. And then I think there's just a lot of faith from the owls that there's, there's, yeah, you know, we're not hearing a lot of detail, but it's there. It's behind the scenes, you know, there is information out there, I don't really need it, which is kind of interesting, because owls usually do need it. They usually want all the details. But I do think you're right. I think that a lot of the owls are just kind of saying I don't need all the detail. But I believe that if things are being said, I'm just going to trust it.Ari Gronich 19:40  Yeah, it just seems so unlike the personality type of, of, of an owl. And so I'm wondering if the owl has, has mutated, I'm using a gentle word, instead of procreated has mutated into a different personality type at this at this moment, or if, if we're just seeing the alternative or the, you know, the mirror image side of, of these all of these personalities.Merrick Roseberg 20:13  Yeah, I think, you know, I think what's happened is that when when you overuse your strengths, they become your weakness. And so when you dial up the owl too much, they actually don't become so detail oriented. They, they get to a place of frustration, and they say, you know what, I don't even need the detail anymore. I've just had it. And so when you dial it up that far, I think it's a problem. Also, there's been, you know, there's a, it become a fundamental mistrust in the data that's out there, that that idea that you can't trust the news, you can't trust the data. So you know what I'm not even going to trust, I'm going to forget about having to need the detail, I'm just going to trust the person who shares that there's a problem. And they've kind of let go of the need for the data because I can't trust the source of where it's coming from.Ari Gronich 21:02  Now we go on to that familiar territory of if we can't trust the media, and the things that are being told to us, where do we go for information? If we rely on information to be our deciding factor in what we actually do?Merrick Roseberg 21:23  I think we have to get back to a space where, where the data and the information that's being shared is truly accurate. And this is true from across the board on polit. from politicians, you know, the problem is that we don't really care as a nation if politicians aren't truthful. And that may sound like a very bold statement. But the reality is, look, we elected a president whose name was tricky dick. We connect elected another one whose name was slick, Willie, we didn't even care. And, you know, in our personal relationships, if, if I said to you, okay, here's this person, they're, they're dating somebody, and I measured it, I've been tracking everything that person says, 80% of the time, they are completely truthful, but 20% of the time, they don't tell the truth at all. You would say, I'm not gonna marry someone who lies 20% of the time. But if that were a politician, we'd go. That's pretty good. 80% of the time, they're honest.Unknown Speaker 22:22  All right,Merrick Roseberg 22:23  I'll take that I could live with 80%. And so I think in our personal relationships, we've we've come not to trust that we would say it this way, integrity, reliability, honesty is really important. But in our politicians, we we may not, we just come, we've come not to trust them. And we're like, yeah, they're honest, sometimes they're not honest other time, so just not even going to worry about it. And so, so that's the challenge is that we've gotten to a space where we don't necessarily trust them. And yet we're like, wow, I'll still vote for them.Ari Gronich 22:56  Yeah, it's really fascinating to me, because, to me, they're, they're, you know, there's always going to be the people who are spoofing the leaders, the people who are in charge, but now it's the leader spoofing themselves. And and so it seems like the world has kind of turned backwards on itself. And we're in what's that world called in Superman where everything is the oppositeUnknown Speaker 23:28  of Bizarro worldAri Gronich 23:30  or something? Seems like we've just entered into this Bizarro world and, and I'm curious is whether any of the personalities even make sense anymore? Or if you know, they've all ruffled their feathers? Yeah, youMerrick Roseberg 23:48  know, what happens is when we overuse our strengths, it really becomes an issue. It's there's, there's an expression expression, which I love, which is any virtue carried to an extreme can become a crime, you take something positive, and you dial up the energy, you put it in the red zone, and it's a problem. And and, you know, this is, this is what we've seen with a lot of politicians, you take Eagle, and you dial it up too far, and assertiveness becomes aggressive. Confidence becomes arrogance, or even narcissism. And you take the parrot and dial it up too much, and it's just big energy, but there's nothing behind it. There's no plans or strategies and so we we have an issue where a lot of politicians are dialing up their personalities so much, that they're now turning off a lot of people. And and, you know, it's a it's a problem when we can't believe the people that are leading our nation and we just don't believe in them. And we need to just get back to that space. And we get back to that space when they are no longer overusing their personalities. They're using them at a healthy level. And you can look at that person and say, You know what, I don't agree with them. But they're trying their best. You're not going to agree with everything. You know, maybe my party didn't Take the White House. But, you know, I don't trust distrust their integrity. I philosophically disagree. But that's okay, I'm not going to always have a person that I completely aligned with. But I believe they're going to keep us safe and do their best to, you know, to hold America's greatest interests at heart. And we just got to get back to that space.Ari Gronich 25:21  Right. So the question becomes, how do we, you know, how do we alter our personality as a nation to be less polarizing, and be more inclusive of other mindsets, meaning, you know, where we began as a melting pot, and it now seems as though you can't have any sort of nuanced thinking without being labeled on one side or another side. And for anybody who's in the middle, who, you know, I believe in these conservative principles, and I believe in these liberal principles, and I have this nuanced sense of reasoning. And nuance has left the building along with critical thinking and common sense. That's no longer common anymore.Merrick Roseberg 26:14  Yeah, I think that what we have to get back to, and this is true in our personal relationships, and it's true in politics, and it's true at work, that we have to replace judgment with acceptance, that what we're doing is we're judging people, there's a, you know, this concept that if you can let go of judgment, then it gets replaced with acceptance and valuing. And we do this to ourselves, we judge ourselves, and then we can't step into our own power, we judge other people, and then they can't be, you know, we see them in a light that they can't, we don't even think they're honest with us, because, well, they're not like me, they disagree with me, we have to get back to a space where we accept people for who they are. And and, and not question their intentions and their motives all the time.Ari Gronich 26:58  Awesome. Now, it's just a matter of how do we do that? what's the what's what's the tip, or the trick to to doing that?Merrick Roseberg 27:06  You know, I always talk about using the birds and using the styles is that when you have an eagle, and they're very direct, except that's them for who they are. That's who they're that's who they are. That's it's not, they're not doing something against you. And that's the big key here is recognizing that, that if an eagle is being abrasive, it's not really about you. You know, if a dove can be smothering that, yes, it's love, but it's like here food, take it, bring it home with you here. I'll put more on your plate. No, no, no, no, you take it. It's like oh, my gosh, drives me crazy, actually has nothing to do with you. It's that it's really all about them. It's love, but it's dialed up too much. If you have an owl, and they're just providing you with too much details, too much information, don't take it as Don't you trust me, don't you believe in we've been able to do that think for myself has nothing to do with you. And this is true for all four sauce is that that don't take things personally understand that the way they're talking actually has nothing to do with you. It's just them being who they are. And letting go of that judgment and recognize that it's really not about you, it's really about them.Ari Gronich 28:15  Nice. So you've done this kind of work with top, you know, fortune 100 companies. So give me kind of the inside wrap? Well, let's say you're in this meeting, you know, you and I are 10 people because I'm a Gemini, so I can be that. And so, you know, you have a meeting that you're directing, so to speak. So give me kind of the inside scoop, what would you say to the corporation, the heads of the corporation?Merrick Roseberg 28:54  So for me, when I talk with especially senior managers, it's an or any manager could be a supervisor, it's are you creating an environment in which you would thrive? Or are you creating an environment in which your people will thrive? In other words, imagine you have you're an you're an owl leader, and as an owl, is it likely that you create a very structured process driven standard operating procedures, a lot of tracking and documentation and, and measuring data? What do you think if you're an owl?Ari Gronich 29:26  Yeah, probably sure.Merrick Roseberg 29:27  But now you're managing an entire team of parrots. How do you how do the parents feel? If you're one of those parents? How does that feel?Ari Gronich 29:35  You're ruffling my feathers?Merrick Roseberg 29:38  Yeah, don't you trust me? Don't you believe in me? So what it's all about is are you creating an environment for your people? Are you really just creating an environment for you? And if I flip that around, to be fair to the owls, I'm a parent manager. And I create a very free flowing, here's your goals. Here's your here's what I'm looking for. Here's what I need it, go for it. I believe in you and a motivating and empowering. How does an owl feel in that culture?Ari Gronich 30:07  Not enough ruffled feathers?Merrick Roseberg 30:09  Yeah. In fact, like, what are you looking for? What What do you want me to do? How do you want me to do it? What do you how do you want me to hand this in? Can you give me a sense of your process in the details, I'm not even sure what I'm doing? Well, why is the parent doing that the intention is to motivate and empower, just like the our managers intention is to set you up for success. But leaders have to realize that if you want your people to be the highest versions of themselves, and to succeed in a way that they are engaged, and they love what they do, but they also produce a lot, you have to treat them the way they want to be treated. You can't impose yourself on them, you can't create culture for you, you have to create culture for them. And so becoming that highest version of ourselves is, is very powerful as a leader, because then it ripples out into impacting a lot of people so that each of my people can become the highest version of themselves. And let's face it, everybody, if I create an environment in which my people will thrive, there's a lot less drama that I have to deal with on a daily basis, because they feel comfortable. And so, you know, it's creating culture, but creating culture for them, not you.Ari Gronich 31:24  Interesting. So as the leader, who's like, let's say, I'm a, I'm an owl, and I need to have those metrics met. My team is a bunch of parrots and doves, not very organized, right? But I still obviously need that stuff in order for me to do my job. So how does the to match? How do you get somebody who's a parent to do our work? And if not, then how does that work? get done. So it's not you just being the one doing all the work all the time? Well,Merrick Roseberg 32:04  the first thing I would say is, you always want to match people up to the role. If you want people to feel comfortable, when you're working in your style, it feeds you, when you're working out of your style. It's exhausting. So first thing is I would say, can you create and structure these roles so that each person gets to display the behaviors they enjoy, and they feel most comfortable. And once you've done that, everybody's going to be a lot happier. Now, look, obviously, there's going to be aspects of everybody's job, which you go, Oh, I just hate doing that. The parrot who has to track and record everything they do for sales, you know, they're reporting their sales data and documenting and submitting it is the part they hate the most. And that's why they often have an account manager, who's an owl who does all of that for them. So they can get on the phone and go out at meetings and go to networking events. But I would often ask our managers, when they say me, I need all this information. I always look at them. I go, do you? Did? Do you need all information? Like, let's take a look at what you really use out of everything you're asking for? What data do you actually use that has meaning and value that value for you that you can act on? And a lot of times, they've just been tracking data, because that's just what they've always done. So I would say to that, how can you maybe meet halfway so that you're the parent doesn't have to do so much tracking so much documentation and find a middle ground? I had this with my my CFO in my own organization. as a as a CEO, I should know what's happening in the company, I need to understand my numbers, I need to understand the data. But I'm a parent, Eagle Eye, just too much of that. It's just exhausting for me. And when we started, we created these these monthly financial meetings to tap in and check in. Okay, what happened that month? She brought like two hours worth of data. And I'm like, okay, like, we need to pare this down. Because Yeah, I don't have two hours worth of attention span. So and now we literally got down to about a half hour's worth of data that is the most important critical fundamental data I need to know. And she feels that I need to know. Now, there's definitely data there where I go, do I need that? Yeah, not sure. But she thinks I need to have it. Okay, we'll keep it we met somewhere in the middle. And you might think, wait, you went from two hours to a half hour? Didn't that swing a lot? Yeah. But there was a tremendous amount of data like client by client data, which I didn't need, right. And so so that's what I'm talking about is you find a way to meet in the middle, that you can be yourself but you also do what needs to get done.Ari Gronich 34:35  How does that work with in the family dynamic?Merrick Roseberg 34:41  So same thing, right? I mean, you have you've got a lot of times parents who impose their personality on their, on their children. As an example. Remember watching this father, these kids, the kids where I live, my house is like in a court so there's like some put up a basketball net, so the kids can play basketball without really being the path of traffic. And, and I remember one day one of the kids, he's such a strong dove. I mean, he plays the flute, he's just he's like, I just want to just play my flute, I just I don't I love that I don't, I don't really like getting out there playing basketball, everybody, you know, I'd rather sit on the side and just talk to one other person, or get on a bike with one person, we ride around the neighborhood and just talk. And as fathers, the strong Eagle, and his father's, like, get in there fight for the ball. And you know, the problem with that is, the message that the Father is saying is you need to be more like an eagle if you want to be successful in this world. In other words, you need to be more like me. But the underlying message is who you are. It's not okay. And so parents are often set send bad messages to their children, because they impose their personality on their kids. spouses do the same thing. We husbands and wives and partners do the exact same thing. They're, they're talking to each other. And your owl spouse is saying, this is how you put dishes in the dishwasher, it could be something so small, but it becomes a source of frustration, because the parents just sticking stuff in there. And I was like, stop doing that it's wrong. And the parents like, it's a dishwasher, I put the dishes in the I was like, No, there's a way you put the dishes and you are you are violating the system. And so they oftentimes just like they're butting heads, because they're each imposing their personality on each other. And whether it's as a spouse, or as our children, we have to recognize you have to honor the people's personalities around you. Or else you're sending a bad message that you know who they are isn't okay. And that's, that's not really good for somebody's self esteem, whether that's a spouse or whether it's a child.Ari Gronich 36:52  This is true. So let's, let's put the personalities withUnknown Speaker 37:02  withAri Gronich 37:04  sorry, I'd lost my train of thought here for a second. We're going to put the response, okay, so the, the personalities are going to put them and attribute them to a set of conditions, right. So you need to clean the dishes, like you said, we're going to have the personality of each and how they do the dishes, right so that somebody can get an idea a dove is going to do the dishes this way a parrot is going to do the dishes that way. I just want to like I want to bring out I want to make this alive for the audience. I want them. Let'sMerrick Roseberg 37:52  take something like cooking something very simple, like cooking dinner, you have an owl who has a has a menu, they have a recipe, they follow the recipe, exactly how it's taught to me, they're literally taking out their quarter teaspoon measuring spoon and their half teaspoon measurements, and they're flattening it off. And when they make something to make the exact same thing the exact same way. It is perfect dubs, they tend to rotate because they're very stable, and they don't like change. They tend to rotate around a few standard dishes. They make them all the time. It's Tuesday. It's pasta night. It's Thursday, it's you know, this is what we're eating. And, and they probably aren't trying a lot of new foods. It's just look, I know the family likes this. And so I make it for them. Parents can never make the same recipe the same way twice. Because, hey, I threw a little of this and I buy by the way I had some of this in my house. I threw that in I didn't really measure it. I'm not sure I do like it awesome. You should make this again. Wish I could I only remember what I put in there were the quantities I'd have to figure it out. They're they're daring. They like to try new foods like what's the worst thing that could happen? eagles are like eating their dinner out of the microwave over the over the sink because plates while I'm not burning another plate, it's fast. It's quick, whatever, just make it for me, let's go. You know, it's like, they want it fast. They want it quick. So each style is just a very different way of of take any topic and we give handling themselves and how they react and how they they model behaviors during that particular activity. Whether it's driving or whether it's cooking. It's all personality plays out in everything. You know, it'sAri Gronich 39:42  it's interesting to me because as I listened to you, I would have thought maybe I'm more of an owl because I'm fairly analytical. I like research. I like to hear the numbers right. And then when you mentioned how an Now I would cook, I will never, you probably never will see me caught with a recipe book in my hands ever, let alone measuring specific things more like that, you know, parrot for the cooking and Eagle for the for the eating?Merrick Roseberg 40:21  Well, we all have a little of everything in us. But there's probably one or two, which are like home base for you that nobody's just one that most people have at least two that are really strong.Ari Gronich 40:32  I feel like I am a fairly balanced of all four. Just based on on the conversation that we've that we've had, right, I have that analytical side, but then, you know, I have this little bit of I'm a results oriented, let's get stuff done kind of personality. But I'm not organized enough to actually do that. So I got the parent side and the creative energy. And then you know, of course, I love people and I'm empathetic. So.Merrick Roseberg 41:03  So that's the key Look, my last book was called the chameleon for that reason. That's what it's all about. It's about being the chameleon. It's about being the person who could be flexible and adaptable, no matter what is happening. I mean, take somebody like Oprah, and other self made billionaire, her Eagle, running her Empire and the amount of company she owns. I mean, you know, you don't generate billions of dollars in revenue from being a talk show host. There's something about what she does, but how she manages them is very out. I've met two people who worked with her, they said the exact same thing. There's no detail too small for Oprah, that she has to know everything about everything. So well. You can see her charisma on stage that you get a car you get a car, just so much energy, big smile, and her empathy. She cries with her guests, she hurt, donate so much money and time to different charitable causes. And, and philanthropy. It's it's Eagle parrot dove out. That's what I refer to as the chameleon. Somebody can do all for and adapt anyoneAri Gronich 42:06  nice, well, then I'm going to need to become a billionaire really quickly. So we'll have to work on that next. So let me let me go to this, you know, compassionate communication is all about the needs of the individual people finding their needs. So what personalities go with what needsMerrick Roseberg 42:26  so so when I think of compassionate communication, what I think is, I'm going to communicate to you in a way that you want to be communicated to so we might think it's just lives in the world of the dove, because doves need you to soften their language, they want you to be very sensitive and, and not abrasive or abrupt in any way. Even just the tone of voice, they just want to know that you're here and you're there for them. Whereas What do Eagles need, I always say, Be brief, be brilliant, be gone. For an eagle doesn't need a long preamble doesn't need a lot of emotional and energetic communication. Just tell them what they need to know. And they're happy. For the owl. They feel comfortable when they have the data, they have an inner need to understand why and to get the information. And if you look, for example, impose change on an hour without giving them information, time to acclimate to it, the logic behind what you're doing. They're going to feel uncomfortable. parrots, they need energy, they need positivity. The more positive you are, the more excited they get, the more energized you are, the more enthusiastic they are. They need to feel your energy. So you can see how different they are, from details to energy to sincerity to bottom line. We can't just treat everybody the same. We have to think about who we're talking to.Unknown Speaker 43:53  Cool.Ari Gronich 43:55  So then what is the biggest challenge that you've seen with people and their personalities these days?Merrick Roseberg 44:06  I think it's that we impose our personality on others that we think we think if I need something, they need it. If something's important to me, it's important to them. You have an eagle and a dove couple. And the eagle is very direct and straightforward. You know, I had this moment I was sitting in an airport A while back and I was watching this couple and and he turned to this was the moment I tuned into their interaction because they were getting louder. And he turns around, he says, I don't understand how effect is an effect. And she looked at him and she's like, Well, it's because of the way you said the fact that matters. He's like, it doesn't matter how you say effect. It's still a fact. And she was like Oh, yes, it does. And you can see this didn't make sense to him that he was expecting just to be factual and data driven, probably Owl and Eagle. She's a more sensitive dove. And he's now offended. Her. And now what's happening is they're now arguing about how they're arguing, instead of arguing about what they're arguing about, and I think this is the great problem is that we communicate in our own style. we impose it on people. We think people need what we need want, what we want, like what we like. And we don't realize that, look, if you want to be a compassionate communicator, and we want to treat people well, we have to think about their needs, not our own. And I think that's the fundamental issue is not imposing our style on others.Unknown Speaker 45:33  Hmm.Ari Gronich 45:35  If only that were possible,Merrick Roseberg 45:38  it is possible, but it takes it takes focus and intention. Only.Ari Gronich 45:45  We could see some way of that happening more often than not, Hmm, what might be some techniques that people can play with in order to create an environment that allows that to happen more often.Merrick Roseberg 46:04  The first step is self awareness, you have to understand your own style. And I said this earlier, the most self aware people tend to be the happiest people, they tend to have the healthiest relationships, because they understand themselves, and they understand how they're treating other people. And so the first step is, you have to understand your own style, or else you're just destined to impose it on the people around you. So you've got to understand, am I an eagle, parrot dove, or an L? And am I using my style? Well, or am I overusing it. And now, it's the weakness or the shadow side of my personality. So first is understand yourself. The next step, now I have to understand who am I talking to? Am I talking to an eagle, a parent or a dove or an owl? And if I understand their style, can I be flexible and adaptable, and, and not impose my style on them, but rather, treat them the way they need to be treated? And so it's if I were just gonna give you a couple steps, it's, you got to know yourself, you've got to be able to read people quickly. And you have to be able to flex. I mean, imagine the world we live in if we did that. I could read your style fast, and I treat you how you want to be treated. How would relationships be that right?Ari Gronich 47:16  Yeah, you know, it goes against the golden rule, treat people the way you want to be treated? No, no, treat them the way that they would want to be treated.Merrick Roseberg 47:24  it you know, it's funny, I talk about that a lot. And I always say like, I'm not invalidating the golden rule. The Golden Rule holds true for virtues. In other words, I should treat you how you want to be treated in terms of kindness, fairness, respect, compassion, integrity, honesty, reliability, all of these great virtues. Yes, I should treat you how I want to be treated. But in terms of style, how I do that, how I communicate to you, that's when I need to treat you how you want to be treated, not how I want to be treated. So they're both true. I mean, underlying both of those is, in fact, respect.Ari Gronich 47:59  Yeah, I just want to invalidate the golden rule a little bit more. By saying that we do not want people to treat us the way we treat ourselves, being we treat ourselves more rapidly than anybody could possibly ever treat us, in my opinion, the self talk that we have. So we do not want to be treated the way that we treat ourselves, let alone the way we want to be treated. Because we don't treat ourselves very nicely.Merrick Roseberg 48:30  Yeah, I agree. We have a very loud internal critic. In fact, some styles have a louder internal critic, dubs and owls tend to have a louder internal critic than parrots and Eagles do. Yeah, I love this quote. It was when I when I was 20 years old, I really cared about what people thought about me. Then I was 40 years old. And I no longer cared about what people thought about me. But when I was 60 years old, I realized nobody was thinking about me at all. It's like, yeah, worried all that time for nothing. No one cares. We have a very loud internal critic. I think that is very true.Ari Gronich 49:10  Yes, we've got to do something about about that guy. You know, and it's funny because I would assume that most parents are you know, most comedians are parents. Right? I would assumeMerrick Roseberg 49:25  not not necessarily we think that hey, now you can name a lot of parrot comedians but take like a Jerry Seinfeld he was an owl or he's an owl he's very logical and meticulous he dissects the world George Carlin was an owl actually, a lot of comedians are surprisingly owls, because they take things apart, they notice things and then they expand on him. So it is interesting. We we think their parents, but a lot are actually I was it's definitely true. I mean, Robin Williams say, you know,Ari Gronich 49:51  right. And they and they don't have very much of that inner criticMerrick Roseberg 49:56  right. They they have a a More outward critic. In other words, the eagles and parrots when things go wrong, they don't necessarily equate what happened to them as a person. In other words, when something goes wrong for an owl or a dove, they say, well, it's like, I should have thought of this. I can't believe I didn't plan this, I can't believe I didn't think this through and they blame themselves. When a parent or an eagle, something goes wrong for them, they go, things happen. We had learning, what are you gonna do, I'll fix it next time. So they don't beat themselves up as much as the owls. And the dogs tend to do.Ari Gronich 50:42  Okay, so then I want to know this right now. Right now, right now, I want to know how to take the best parts of each personality, embed them in my spirit and soul, and personality, and dismiss all of those other behaviors from the other personalities. So how does one, start learning how to accentuate the positive, while the sensual hittingMerrick Roseberg 51:12  the negative? Well, remember, the negative isn't, so there's no inherently negative style, the negative is in the overuse, it's in the eagle becomes aggressive parrot becomes so optimistic, it's unrealistic, dove becomes passive and gets stepped on our will become so self critical, and of themselves and others that it's not a matter of, of taking on or getting rid of one of the styles, it's a matter of making sure you're using your style, at a healthy level. So if you're using so if there's two things that go on one, you use your style at a healthy level, that's powerful, because you're going to be the highest version of yourself. But you also be need to be able to tap into the other three. So you need to, because there will be moments, you need to be able to stand in your power and be assertive as an eagle when you need to be, you need to dial up energy and enthusiasm as a parent, when you need it. You need to dial up compassion and sincerity of the dub, you need to be able to focus on the details and make detailed data driven decisions when you need to. And And so, if you can't do one of those four, it's a blind spot, it's going to get you in trouble. But what I would say is, you don't have to make them a part of your personality, let's say I'm a strong dove, I don't need to become an eagle, I just need to make sure that when there's times I need to stand in my power and speak my voice and say my truth that I can do it, it's probably going to be uncomfortable, it's probably gonna take energy, because anytime you work out of your natural mode, it takes energy. But the key is to be able to be able to tap into all four of them, not to change yourself into all four of them.Ari Gronich 52:57  And I was hoping I could just stick a you know, thing on the back of my skull and matrix that matrix it all in my head.Merrick Roseberg 53:05  Just download it in. Exactly,Ari Gronich 53:08  you know, disappointed me Merrick here. I mean, I'm trying to trying to get this stuff inside my soul. Really, what I want for the audience is for them to get it into their soul. And so, you know, let's talk about how we use these personality types for the most optimal, you know, level. I mean, obviously, I'm known as the performance therapist, and I'm all about Performance and Results. Don't know what personality type that particular thing makes me but I'd say that's probably a combination, because I like to have fun while I'm, you know, producing results, and I'm compassionate about it. But you know, I'm a results guy. So let's talk about results. How do we optimize ourselves within these personality types? What techniques what ways would you like? Are there books to read and study? Are there things to do? What What would you suggest? Well,Merrick Roseberg 54:19  the first thing is, are you in a role in which you can be the highest version of yourself? In other words, have you ever seen a parent who's been in a job where they have to attract data and they if they are sitting at a desk for eight hours a day with very little human interaction? By the time they go home, they are absolutely exhausted. Or an owl who has to be out networking and schmoozing and having these you know, getting up on stage, I mean, they can they do it short, anybody can display any behavior, but it's exhausting. The first thing I would say is, are you in a role that allows you to be you? Because if you're not You're going to go home every single day exhausted. And I think that's, you know how many times that's the key how many people have had a job, where they were in a job, and they felt like they were just drowning. And then they move to a new job. And they were like, ah, I can breathe again, because they're being themself. So the first thing is, if you are in a role where you get to be you, you're not going to have to try to flex so much, you're not going to have to take on other behaviors, because you just get to be you, as a parrot. I get to go on stage, I get to talk to people at conferences, when we have conferences, you know, I get to be out there, I get to be in front of people, and I get to network and talk to people. I'm like living my highest version of myself. Now. When I first started doing this, I was booking flights and hotels and coordinating logistics, and oh, my god, there's so much detail that you don't see, it's like a concert, you don't realize everything that had to happen to make that two hour show take place. But what do I do? It was exhausting. So I hire somebody who's going to be the hour, who's going to allow me to do what I like. And they get to do what they like. Like, I'm not dumping all this logistical stuff on the on this person that I don't like I'm giving them the bad stuff. They like doing it. And so the first thing you have to do is, is make sure you're in a role that feeds you. As opposed to depletes you. I mean, have you ever had that in your career where you were like, you had a job, and you just went home every day and you're like, exhausted, and then you finally get to do what you love? And you feel like you can breathe now?Ari Gronich 56:38  Yeah, so I've been lucky enough that I've pretty much been my own boss since I was 18. However, I've been unlucky in the fact that I've been my own boss, since I was 18. And therefore, the things that I have no interest in doing, I've done. And yeah, I'll tell you, the things that that make me the most depleted are doing the things that I am absolutely not good at. Not in my brain, not in my focus, not in my, my wheelhouse. You know, I tell people, like you put a body in front of me, I could pretty much turn it into anything that it wants to be whether it's compassion, you know, competition, whatever I could, I could make the body heal and perform at peak levels that the body never thought it could do. But put me onto digital marketing, and I can't make anything perform for any reason whatsoever.Merrick Roseberg 57:49  And so what that means is you shouldn't be doing, right. Oh, right, find someone who's passionate about it, and is going to do it at a higher level. And I often ask my staff this question, in fact, we're coming up on the end of the year, I always do this with my staff, the at the end of every year, I meet with my team, and I say to each one of them. If there's one thing that I could take off your plate, that would make you happier, what is it Now keep in mind, it could be something they've been doing for 10 years, and they're very good at it. But they're just done. It's just not them anymore. It's not where they want to be putting their energy. And over the years, I've shuffled lots of roles and responsibilities, we've hired new people to create new roles. Because I want people to be fed by what they do. I mean, imagine the productivity. Imagine the joy you get from work, when you get to do what you like, and don't have to do the things you don't like, well, as a leader, I want to get those things off their plate. It's not serving them. It's not serving me and the company either. And so it's it's understanding what feeds you and what deeply to and then you start being the highest version of yourself, get all the rest of that stuff off your plate. Because when you get all that little stuff that drives you crazy off your plate, you have now way more time and energy to do more of what you do like and then work feels like pleasure. It doesn't feel like work at all.Ari Gronich 59:12  Yeah, absolutely. You know, I love getting on stage. I love speaking. I like seeing the looks on the faces of the audience when they get a haws and lightbulbs pop over their heads. I love that. And then I want to run into my hotel room and I want to relax for a little while. I don't want to take a break. And I want to rejuvenate and then I want to go back out. Right? It's that introverted extrovert side of me. I think that being a Gemini I'm just screwy with all personalities all at once jumbled inside my my head What do you think?Merrick Roseberg 59:55  We all have them all. You know my parrot and my Eagle are pretty strong, but there are Absolutely moments where I'm in alamode. And there are moments where I'm in dove mode, you know, we all have them. The key is to tap into the right one at the right time. Using the right style at the right moment, and knowing how to use the four styles. Well, and when the buttons Yeah, when that be great.Ari Gronich 1:00:18  Push the button owl button. I need Eagle right now Eagle Eagle has landed. Yep, push the book.Merrick Roseberg 1:00:26  You know, I we have people walk into my office. And we have we have these little guys here we have these desktop birds right where you walk in. And if I'm, if there are times where like, I, I just got back, I was on the road for four days. And I'm going to be on the road for the next three. And I've got eight hours to get a lot done. And I put the eagle out and I'm like, Alright, I'm in Eagle mode, meaning come into my office. I am not in parrot dove mode, come in schmooze talk, see what's happening. You've got to come in, tell me what you need to tell me. And and head on out because I've got a lot to do in a short window. And so we use the birds as kind of a communication tool to say, hey, I want to talk to you. I want to answer your questions. But be direct, be succinct, because I got a lot to do right now. And so they become a to a tool that people can use picture in relationships, where I'm a parrot, my wife is an owl. And she asked me a question and I say, oh, all you do is this. And she looks at me and she goes, owl. And I'm like, okay, so let me walk you through it. First, you need to do this, this and this. Now as you go through it a few things you want to think about? It becomes a communication tool to be able to use the birds in a way that gives you a language that is non judgmental. There's that was that interaction wasn't You're such a parrot. And how would you Why would you talk to me like that? It's like, and then I'll remember my needs. Here's what I need. I need you to be more of an owl right now. I'm sure anybody can display that any behavior. So it becomes a language that we have to use?Ari Gronich 1:02:01  Should there be practice groups for this?Merrick Roseberg 1:02:04  I you know, I think we have practice groups. They're all around us. I think we we have co workers where they're all different styles, our family members are all different styles. There, we are experiencing it every single day. Every person you interact with is a person to practice it with.Ari Gronich 1:02:21  So we should call this season, the holiday practice group season. Because we got Thanksgiving, and Halloween and Christmas and Hanukkah and all these different holidays right now that people are getting an opportunity to practice their personalities with their family, the biggest triggers to those personalities. So any suggestions during this time of year for families? What you know, what are some things that they can actually do to shift their family dynamics maybe and have a, you know, more peaceful holiday season with each other?Merrick Roseberg 1:03:05  Yeah, I think one is thought process. One is behavior. You know, from a thought process perspective, it's recognizing that they are just being who they are, that remove the judgment. So on a thanks, Thanksgiving, when my wife is, is coordinating things, and I want to be helpful. And she says to me, I just need you to set the table. And then I go and I set the dining room table. And then I walk by the dining room table a little while later. And I realize I have a magic dining room table. That resets itself, because clearly, I did not set it properly. Now, I could get very offended by that. But actually I say she's an owl. She has a specific way. It's fine. Yeah, I bought over the years, I have learned by the way. Now I say, why don't you set one of the place settings, and I'll replicate it. See, I've had learning. But But early on, I would have got I was getting frustrated like well, why are you asking me if you're just going to redo it anyway. And it became conflict. Now it's just tease the owl, she has a specific way. I'm not offended by that. So so if you understand who someone is, the judgment goes away the conflict and drama goes away. The second is let people do what they're good at. You know, here, why don't you organize where everybody is going to sit? This is your the dove, you really care about making sure

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Remember to like subscribe rate review, comment below anything that you have to say good, bad, indifferent, we want to have the conversations. That's the whole important point. Let's have these conversations that create a new tomorrow today and move our country forward so we can activate our vision for a better world. Today I have with me Steve Prentice. Steve is, you know, he works in the space where people and technology collide. He's got degrees in organizational psychology and journalism. And he focuses on the way humans work with our in spite of technological advances to help companies become more pragmatic in their usage. Steve, why don't you tell us a little bit about your your history and what got you and interested in what you're doing and, and how you became you.Steve Prentice 1:13  I just love technology. And I love what it can do. My father was an engineer. And even though I'm not, I still have that desire to see how things work, take them apart and bring them back together again. So when I was trying to find work as a student in university, I got a temp job. And this was in the days when dos space computers were the thing before windows before the internet. And what I noticed was that people were having trouble with things such as the F keys on the keyboard, it sounds very arbitrary right now. But what those F keys mean. And if you go back, if you're as old as I am, you can remember when dealing with things like WordPerfect, these these programs before Microsoft became the ruler of everything. So I've created kind of a style and an ability to speak, to write, to teach and also to consult organizations, including for some very large, you know, huge, well known high tech firms on how to explain their technologies know how to take concepts like artificial intelligence or facial recognition away from being simply a technological cool thing. A factoring in the fear people may have about these technologies, identity privacy, or even just job loss and saying, How can we make these things mixed together? And that's, that's really what I've been doing now for almost 30 years. And it just keeps on happening. And I just love it. Well,Ari Gronich 2:34  yeah, I happen to be old enough to remember WordPerfect wordstar. You know, writing code in basic, and then Doss and Harvard graphics? What was thatSteve Prentice 2:50  Harvard graphics? That PowerPoint?Ari Gronich 2:53  Yes, you know, trying to create a game like Pong right? Back in, in the days of the old green and orange monitors, things. That's actually while I was going to school, one of the things that I did is I used to repair old 286 sX computers, the ones that are massively huge and heavy. And for some reason, I had a ability to figure out having not known much at the time, which jumper was out of place, and which one needed to be put back into place. But these days, I'll tell you the truth, my my technological prowess has been depleted into almost nothingness. And technology is moving at such a an exponential rate, that it makes it difficult from my old foggy brain to to learn a new trick. So, you know, why don't you kind of give us a little bit about this current side of technology, and maybe some ways either that people can understand it, and actually do it. Because for me, like I understand the concepts of what they say to do. But the technology and the integrations and the minutiae are so unique, that I find that I think that a lot of people are having trouble reaching their goals simply because of the technology that they don't know how to use rather than not having products or services that are valuable and worthy of people finding out about them.Steve Prentice 4:41  Absolutely. I mean, here's here's number one. We've we've been going through extremely tough year. We're not out of the woods yet with regards to everything going on. And one of the major offshoots aside from the tragedy of this year is job losses and just just people who have had real trouble just keeping afloat because of the changes in commerce. Now One thing that I do say, and I was saying this even before the COVID thing happened was, there's never been a better time to be at work right now. But there's also never been a better time to be out of work. And that sounds like a cynical statement, but it's not intended to be. What I'm saying here is that there's never been a better time to find new work. And the mindset, you were talking about the old foggy brain a moment ago, and the mindset from, let's say, a couple of decades ago, with regards to what a job was, and what a career was, was largely focused on maybe staying with the same job for your entire career, staying employable within a company. But we're now moving into an era where people of all ages are much more aware of their career mobility, we have the technologies, you know, the job sites, the websites, and the simple networking capacity for people to do so much more with themselves in terms of what they would like to do rather than what they think they should do. And so what I'm saying is, when you could tie in a tech technology and people and old mindsets and new mindsets together, what you're seeing is, there's a remarkably great opportunity to take just a little bit, a little slice of what LinkedIn can offer and turn that into a key that opens the door for your future that you're much more in control of. And I think that's a very satisfying place to be. So that's one example. I'll pause for a second, but I have a second one coming up to.Ari Gronich 6:20  Oh, I appreciate that. That's, it's good advice for for people to remember that these platforms are really about relationship building versus, you know, cold selling.Steve Prentice 6:33  Absolutely. cold call selling was was a thing. Of course, we know that and some people still do it. I used to teach courses in sales to a big bank. And I was shocked. This is only about 20 years ago. And I was shocked that they were still using 1950s concepts called smile and dial you know, you perform and you just have a list of numbers you call them. And you expect a 98% rejection rate you doing? Well, if you get two calls out of 100 that don't hang up on you. Now, is that really a way to do business? Wouldn't you rather have someone who says, Hey, I'm looking for a good accountant? Can you recommend one? And when a trusted friend of mine says yes, I know this person. Now I've got the word of mouth and the trust factor are at a much higher level. And there are technologies that allow retailers to do that, for example, if you are a small business owner, a store owner, or if you own a larger store with lots of sales associates, what can you do to pull in the data that your customers may have entered into their profile on your website, talking about the things that they like what they love, so that when you do speak to them,Ari Gronich 7:37  that's cool. And we've got this situation going on right now in the world where the technology that we've been trusting to use and connect and network is beginning a systematic process of censorship and echo chamber algorithmic, you know, delivery systems that basically keep us inside of a bubble that is based on our preconceived notions. And, you know, we've we're basically in this very odd, strange place where most people don't even know where they've been taken to in the last 510 years. And on the level of both technology and organizational psychology, that psychology part of how does one, you know, kind of step out of the matrix, so to speak, and yet still utilize the matrix for the benefit that it's that is there without falling into the traps of it?Steve Prentice 8:47  A two word answer critical thinking, people need to regain their capacity to think critically and think for themselves. What has happened over the last couple of decades is we have moved from a thinking society to exactly as you said, which is an echo chamber in which people seek out the news and the truth that matches their current biases. That could be a freedom of expression type concept, really, I want to seek out the news source that matches my political ideology. Okay, that's fair enough. But as a sort of a side story to illustrate this point. I come from England originally, and a lot of people who visit England are surprised, or at least they were in again in previous years. How well educated the taxi drivers seem to be, you know, you could have a conversation with a cab driver in London, and that person will tell you anything and everything about whatever you want to know. In fact, comedian George Burns once said, you know, it's amazing that taxi drivers and barbers aren't running the world because they seem to know so much about everything. But what it came down to was an education system not just only in the UK, but just just in the times where it was okay to learn stuff more than just simply what was there for your job. You know, you might say Why does a taxi driver need to know about the The Civil War, you know, the US revolution, anything like that Revolutionary War, knowledge is a powerful thing. The enjoyment of knowledge, the learning, the capacity to think and see both sides is the kind of stuff that has been lost as we have channeled our way into exactly that individual channels of enjoyment.Ari Gronich 10:19  Yeah. So in my book, a new tomorrow, I talk a lot about critical thinking common sense and recognizing the butterfly effector cause and effect in general, and how the consequences to our actions don't just stop with the direct consequences, but there's a consequence to the consequences to the consequence to the consequences, etc. and, in some ways, we need to get back to a place where common sense critical thinking is common again, because right now, it's, it's not common. But at the same time, I also talk about the things like the poisons that are in our air and our water, and the neurotoxic abilities of those that chemistry to affect whether we can cognitively think and critically think, as well as we used to be or if that's being suppressed via some of those chemicals. And, like one of those chemicals is fluoride in our water does absolutely zero, good. But it was originally used by the war machine in in Germany, to control the minds of the soldiers so that they were easily programmable. And all of a sudden, like mid 1940s, all of a sudden, we're putting it now in our water here in the United States, and claiming that it's going to help with our teeth, when we know that scientifically speaking, you have to have a different form of fluoride, and it has to be a direct application of this different form in order for to do any benefit for our teeth. But that's not the only thing that's a neurotoxin, that's kind of causing this situation of lack of critical thinking, lack of common sense. What have you found is a psychologist, you know, basically, difference between 20 years ago, and today, in the ability to have common sense and critical thinking in in the population? Have you have you found that it's had a significant drop, or a minor drop? Or, you know, what have you found,Steve Prentice 12:44  I don't see that it's had a drop, or an increase, I think we have just simply expanded logarithmically the volume of everything, if you go back 20 3040 100 years, you're still gonna have organizations that have a vested interest in suppressing the truth. You know, they're Photoshop, you know, is a new technology, but faking photographs has been around since photographs existed, the concepts like fluoride, or sodium in the water, suppressing the inflammation for situations like Love Canal, and other places where, you know, lots of industrial dumping went on. Organizations have always continued to suppress the capacity to find the truth and not saying suppress the truth, but suppress people's capacity to find the truth. You know, in the era, where we had three or four major television channels, we had trusted news readers like Walter Cronkite, it was, that was the target was was how to manage that particular narrow flow of information. But now in this age, of course, you know, as we've seen, with the rise of some large social media platforms, anybody can post anything and and basically generate a circle of followers very, very easily. So the the problem has magnified exponentially, as you know, and in league with the opportunities for us to use the technologies for our own devices. So yeah, it really hasn't changed, you know, in terms of additional subtraction, just simply expansion. But I always say that the everybody's got the the, the knowledge of the world at their fingertips, literally, I mean, your phone can find you anything you want to find. just choosing one source of knowledge is going to once again keyhole you into one particular line of thinking. So we have that opportunity to think critically using our devices to say okay, if someone tells me about a particular city or town or a situation going on how many areas how many different directions Can I actually find that information from and and, you know, come to my own educated conclusion. So no, I haven't seen it change. I just seen it. Expand in scope if you learn me and same level just louder, and but we now have much more opportunity to fix that problem as individuals. And it's quite a pleasurable experience just going online and seeing what I can learn from different sources before coming to a conclusion.Ari Gronich 15:00  How can people get a hold of you, Steve if they're interested in their company or them as individuals, bridging those gaps between technology and, and the people?Steve Prentice 15:13  Well, I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to say that you can reach me at Steve prentice.com. And it's just it's Steve Prentice.com. And that's explains everything. In fact, you know, what, just as a tail end to what you're seeing there, I don't even give my business card now, when I give out business cards, is that that's all that's on there. And no phone number, no fax number, no address. Nothing just simply just says Steve prentice.com. And people look at me kind of strangely and say Is this it? This is your business card? I said, Yeah. Everything you need to know about me is there. That's all you need. Awesome.Ari Gronich 15:49  Thank you so much, Steve. And you know, this has been an interesting and eye opening conversation, I hope that you guys got a lot out of it. Because you know, these are the these are the tough conversations that go along with morality and technology and systems and how we work with them. So that we can create a better world not just more of the world that we have right now. So we want to create a new tomorrow today, we want to activate your vision for a better world. 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Anything that you have to say good, bad, indifferent, we want to have the conversations. That's the whole important point. Let's have these conversations that created a new tomorrow today and move our country forward so we can activate our vision for a better world. Today, I have with me, Steve Prentice. Steve is, you know, he works in the space where people and technology collide. He's got degrees in organizational psychology and journalism. And he focuses on the way humans work with our in spite of technological advances to help companies become more pragmatic in their usage. Steve, why don't you tell us a little bit about your your history and what got you and interested in what you're doing and, and how you became you.Steve Prentice 1:22  I just love technology. And I love what it can do. My father was an engineer. And even though I'm not, I still have that desire to see how things work, take them apart and bring them back together again. So when I was trying to find work as a student in university, I got a temp job. And this was in the days when dos based computers with a thing before windows before the internet. And what I noticed was that people were having trouble with things such as the F keys on the keyboard, it sounds very arbitrary right now. But what those F keys mean. And if you go back, if you're as old as I am, you can remember when dealing with things like WordPerfect, these these programs, before Microsoft became the ruler of everything. In order to print a document, you have to memorize this combination of things, it's actually Shift F seven and one in case anybody's checking. But the fact is, this is totally not a human thing. This is an engineering thing. And people got stuck on this, and people had to get training courses on how to use technology. And I thought, well, you know, this is not really what it should be about, there should be some sort of intuitive way that we can get together with our technology. And to this day, that hasn't fully happened. And it's not blaming engineers at all, but there's just always a disconnect between those who create the technologies and those who have to use them. So I've created kind of a style and an ability to speak, to write, to teach and also to consult organizations, including for some very large, you know, huge, well known high tech firms on how to explain their technologies, you know, how to take concepts like artificial intelligence or facial recognition away from being simply a technological cool thing. A factoring in the fear people may have about these technologies, identity, privacy, or even job loss, and saying, How can we make these things mixed together? And that's, that's really what I've been doing now for almost 30 years. And it just keeps on happening. And I just love it.Ari Gronich 3:17  Well, yeah, I happen to be old enough to remember WordPerfect wordstar. You know, writing code in basic, and then DOS and Harvard graphics. What was thatSteve Prentice 3:33  Harvard graphics? That PowerPoint?Ari Gronich 3:36  Yes. You know, trying to create a game like Pong right? Back in, in the days of, of the old green and orange monitors, things. That's actually while I was going to school, one of the things that I did is I used to repair old 286 sX computers, the ones that are massively huge and heavy. And for some reason, I had a ability to figure out having not known much at the time, which jumper was out of place and which one needed to be put back into place. But these days, I'll tell you the truth, my my technological prowess has been depleted into almost nothingness. And technology is moving at such a an exponential rate, that it makes it difficult for my old foggy brain to to learn a new trick. So, you know, why don't you kind of give us a little bit about this current side of technology, and maybe some ways either that people can understand it, and actually do it. Because for me, like I understand the concepts of what they say too. Do but the technology and the integrations and the minutiae are so unique, that I find that I think that a lot of people are having trouble reaching their goals simply because of the technology that they don't know how to use rather than not having products or services that are valuable and worthy of people finding out about them.Steve Prentice 5:23  Absolutely. I mean, here's, here's number one, we've we've been going through extremely tough year, we're not out of the woods yet with regards to everything going on. And one of the major offshoots, aside from the tragedy of this year is job losses, and just people who have had real trouble just keeping afloat because of the changes in commerce. Now, one thing that I do say, and I was saying this, even before the COVID thing happened, was, there's never been a better time to be at work right now. But there's also never been a better time to be out of work. And that sounds like a cynical statement, but it's not intended to be. What I'm saying here is that there's never been a better time to find new work. And the mindset, you were talking about the old foggy brain a moment ago, and the mindset from, let's say, a couple of decades ago, with regards to what a job was, and what a career was, was largely focused on maybe staying with the same job for your entire career, staying employable within a company, we're now moving into an era where people of all ages are much more aware of their career mobility, we have the technologies, you know, the job sites, the websites, and the simple networking capacity for people to do so much more with themselves in terms of what they would like to do rather than what they think they should do. So it doesn't mean that it's easy, as you know, just a simple little thing. But it does mean that it's eminently possible for people to maintain their careers, move on to other jobs, take the non transferable skills that they have learned, and market themselves. We've seen job sites getting more intelligent over the years, matching people up with jobs and recruiters and so forth. But we've also got things like LinkedIn, which are largely underused, because people don't quite understand how to use LinkedIn. Everyone's sort of opened up a profile, they're stuck their resume there, and nothing really happened. But this is an example of a tool that can be used extremely proactively in the the art and science and magic of career self fulfillment. What I mean, for example, is you could go on and what I recommend to people to do always two key rules about LinkedIn. And there's no other platform that is similar to them to this for this opportunity for us. Number one is to make sure you have a great profile that describes you, what you do, what you can do what you have done, perhaps with a couple of endorsements from past managers, employers or customers, and to have a picture of yourself, I mean, I recommend some people may not want to do that for personal security reasons. But aside from that, you know, if you can put your picture up, you're immediately now connecting with people on the emotional and instinctive level, which is what my you know, my sort of primary focus of work is, I doesn't matter what you look like, it's just that I want to have a face that I can relate to. And this is where trust starts, when I can, I can see who I'm dealing with. So we're having a, a place on LinkedIn, that is you that is step number one. And step number two, is as you build your group of people, your contacts, and they're not accepting just anybody who asks to join, but the pedigree of your contacts based on people that you would recommend and trust, and you know them and respect them professionally. Once a day, once a day, you go on to LinkedIn, and you just see what LinkedIn tells you about your contacts who's celebrating a work anniversary today, who has just got a new job who has posted an Instagram in an article and just say, hey, congratulations, well done. Thumbs up. Because what you're doing when you do that, is you are warming your the memory of you in their minds and hearts and you are building what is the most significant and important asset to your career, which is your network, it doesn't mean that individual is going to hire you, per se, or you don't sort of say, hey, happy birthday, oh, by the way, please hire me or please buy my product, you just build a network. And this network is responsible for finding new opportunities for giving you references or leads. And also you can do the same for them. So all I'm saying is that back in the day before the LinkedIn existed, I would have been talking about this with regards to business card Rolodex is a collection of business cards that just having 10,000 business cards does not make you well connected, you're much better connected with a little black book of 100 names than a box of 1000 business cards. So in this era, the active and the proactive dynamic and artificially intelligent Lee enhanced concepts behind LinkedIn and I don't work for them by the way, I just simply saying this is what they can do for you is to further your connections in the world and open up those opportunities. So it doesn't matter how old you are. There's never been a better time to be looking for work. And I described this about myself. All the time, for 30 years I have been looking for work. problem is I keep finding it. And I find it because I just always keep in touch with the people who can refer me other business I have never advertised in my life, it can be done. And so what I'm saying is when you tie in to tech technology and people and old mindsets and new mindsets together, what you're seeing is, there's a remarkably great opportunity to take just a little bit, a little slice of what LinkedIn can offer and turn that into a key that opens the door for your future that you're much more in control of. And I think that's a very satisfying place to be. So that's one example. I'll pause for a second, but I have a second one coming up too. Well,Ari Gronich 10:41  I appreciate that. That's, it's good advice for people to remember that these platforms are really about relationship building versus, you know, cold selling.Steve Prentice 10:54  Absolutely. cold call selling was was a thing. Of course, we know that and some people still do it. I used to teach courses in sales to a big bank. And I was shocked. This is only about 20 years ago. And I was shocked that they were still using 1950s concepts called smile and dial you know you're performing, you just have a list of numbers you call them. And you expect a 98% rejection rate You're doing well, if you get two calls out of 100 that don't hang up on you. Now, is that really a way to do business? Wouldn't you rather have someone who says, Hey, I'm looking for a good accountant? Can you recommend one? And when a trusted friend of mine says yes, I know this person. Now I've got the word of mouth and the trust factor at a much higher level. And there are technologies that allow retailers to do that, for example, if you are a small business owner, a store owner, or if you own a larger store with lots of sales associates, what can you do to pull in the data that your customers may have entered into their profile on your website, talking about the things that they like what they love, so that when you do speak to them, you're speaking to them on a much higher level saying, Oh, yes, last time you were in the shop, you bought this, you know, these are examples. There's there's so many examples we could use that show this kind of connection between people. And it's been a difficult year for people who are now learning to work from home. And that's that's a big challenge not only for adults, but for school aged children as well. And one of the biggest problems that we see from a technological standpoint with people is security in terms of we hear all the stories all the time about companies getting breached, and data being leaked, and malware and ransomware. And hospitals being held hostage by this is terrible stuff. And so much of this comes from us humble humans, you know that most of the the bad stuff it gets into an organization isn't done through a sophisticated drilling technique. It's done by fooling us humans to let them in at the vampires in. So this means that we have to learn how to use passwords and passwords have been for the last 20 years. For a lot of people, it's going to be the names of their kids, the dogs their first school, the most common password to this day is something like password 123 or 123456. And even administrators who look after the computers for us, will so often use admin or admin 123 is their password to save time. It's a hassle trying to think about passwords. So my point is, well, why should it be? You know, first of all, it shouldn't really be up to us to have to do this. But unfortunately we do because we are the weak link in the chain, whether we're working from home or getting that email in the you know, in your inbox at work that says hey, click on this, it's a job application or it's a it's a COVID hygiene update, something like that, then we get fooled into clicking on the bad stuff. Now when it comes to managing passwords, we should never have to write another password. Again, there are password management software programs out there, which will generate passwords for you that are amazingly complicated. They're strings of letters and numbers and punctuation that you could never possibly memorize. Now, reason I'm saying this is because they do work, of course. But for the end user, there's a trust factor that says How can I let go of this thing. I'm comfortable maintaining passwords that I can remember, now you're asking me to give this over to a piece of software to use. And I'm letting go of the control of using these passwords. So this is the Rubicon, if you'd like the river that I have to get people over to say, to understand how password management software works, that you don't have to memorize them any longer. It will take care of this for you. Every time you log on to your favorite web page, it will log you in but nobody else can get in because these are too difficult to figure out. And they say oh, I couldn't possibly let go of this. I need to I need to have control over my passwords. So I say okay, quick little test here. Think about the third person on your contact list in your phone and tell me what their phone number is. And they'll say, I don't know. I just pull it up and it dials for me. And it's an aha so you're not worried about forgetting there. numbers because your phone will take care of it. And it's like, it's a bit like a gotcha moment to show that we have emerged into some areas where we have let go of the control and given it over to our machines, not in any way to lose control, but to share the control. And those are the kinds of fear concepts that I work with. So I'm not plugging in the individual password management brand, other than saying, everybody should use one, you know, choose the one that your trusted colleagues recommends. But you should not be using passwords. And you certainly should not be using, for example, honest answers to challenge questions like What was the name of your first high school, or what was the name of your first pet, because anybody who's a good troller, and cybercriminal, can find those things out from your Facebook profile or any other social thing. So we got to move away from an old school mindset that was good 2030 years ago. But now it's a matter of sharing the technology, sharing the intelligence and letting go a bit of the grunt work if you'd like, but feeling trust that you're still in control. So that's what I try to help people do is to recognize that these technologies do indeed work extremely well for us, they can make your career, your life, your finances are so much more satisfying and successful. But it does require a little bit of, you know, putting a toe in the water and trying these things out and seeing just what they can do for you.Ari Gronich 16:23  Got it. So that's cool. And we've got this situation going on right now in the world where the technology that we've been trusting to use and connect and network is beginning a systematic process of censorship and echo chamber algorithmic, you know, delivery systems that basically keep us inside of a bubble that is based on our preconceived notions. And, you know, we've we're basically in this very odd, strange place where most people don't even know where they've been taken to in the last 510 years. And on the level of both technology and organizational psychology, that psychology part of how does one, you know, kind of step out of the matrix, so to speak, and yet still utilize the matrix for the benefit that it's that is there without falling into the traps of it?Steve Prentice 17:36  A two word answer critical thinking, people need to regain their capacity to think critically and think for themselves. What has happened over the last couple of decades is we have moved from a thinking society to exactly as you said, which is an echo chamber in which people seek out the news and the truth that matches their current biases. That could be a freedom of expression type concept, really, I want to seek out the news source that matches my political ideology. Okay, that's fair enough. But as a sort of a side story to illustrate this point. I come from England originally, and a lot of people who visit England are surprised, or at least they were in again in previous years, how well educated the taxi drivers seem to be, you know, you can have a conversation with a cab driver in London, and that person will tell you anything and everything about whatever you want to know. In fact, comedian George Burns once said, you know, it's amazing that taxi drivers and barbers aren't running the world because they seem to know so much about everything. But what it came down to was an education system not just only in the UK, but just just in the times where it was okay to learn stuff more than just simply what was there for your job. You know, you might say, Why does a taxi driver need to know about the the civil war you know, the US revolution, anything like that Revolutionary War, knowledge is a powerful thing, the enjoyment of knowledge, the learning, the capacity to think and see both sides is the kind of stuff that has been lost as we have channeled our way into exactly that individual channels of enjoyment. You know, every member of your family may be watching different TV shows on different TVs are on their devices, so there's no opportunity for collective discussion, it's a matter of just simply slurping in the stuff that you want to see. So honestly, if you want to break free of the echo chamber without endangering, but instead of actually perhaps strengthening your political beliefs or ideologies, whatever they happen to be, we have to have a critical thinking the capacity to think and question things, see both sides and then come to a conclusion. This by the way, our is something that the future of work specialists are speaking about all the time, you know, no matter what line of business you want to be in, whether it's in mechanical trade or in in high tech or in US professional service of some sort. The future of work is going to be based around a human skills such as critical thinking, and empathy and it can capacity to listen actively to others, because certain of our skills will be swallowed up by AI technologies. And they're getting better at certain jobs like travel agents, and so forth. Now, you can do it all online, as you know. But what's going to make us as individuals still valuable, is as we surf the career waves looking for what we want to do, the ability to do those very human and subtle concepts, such as once again, thinking critically. This means going back to our previous concept that when you get an email coming into your inbox that might be from me from Steve says, Hey, you know, click on this thing, it's a really great piece of instruction on how to do better COVID hygiene in your office, you pause and say, wait a second, is that really from Steve, should I really click on this? It's stopping and thinking rather than just rushing headlong into everything on a reactionary level. And I want to add one more thing to that, if I may. We are working with technologies that are primary light source based technologies, you know, we're looking at screens and the computers in our phones. And this is not tinfoil hat thinking here, it's quite straightforward is that your optical system, your brain and your eyes are designed to process information that is pretty analog and are based on reflected light, you know, pen and paper, just stuff that you can see. So when you start getting into stuff that it's coming at you from a light source, it is actually routed through the brain differently. And that's one of the reasons why it's so hard to resist wanting to respond to an email message or a text message. It's not the nature of the message, it is actually how it impacts your nervous system to say this is urgent, you must deal with it right now. And so we combine therefore, again, a micro channeling of information, you know, by choosing the the channels that match your current mindset, with the fact that we are still slaves to biological reflexes that haven't caught up with the technologies that we have at our disposal. And so we respond to them in disproportionately urgent ways. And together, these things have created a kind of a perfect storm, stopping people from really being able to think clearly as individuals. And so that would be my long winded answer. For us. That's the approach we need to take, once again, the solution is within us. It's easy, and it's free. But it does require that we focus back again on the capacity to think critically, from one or two or 10 sides of an argument and pull in as much information as possible before moving forwards. And those who seek to do this, again, it becomes one of those intangible but highly valuable skills that can be applied to all kinds of businesses and jobs moving forward.Ari Gronich 22:37  Yeah, so in my book, a new tomorrow, I talk a lot about critical thinking common sense and recognizing the butterfly effector cause and effect in general, and how the consequences to our actions don't just stop with the direct consequences, but there's a consequence to the consequences to the consequence to the consequences and etc. And in some ways, we need to get back to a place where common sense critical thinking is common again, because right now, it's it's not common. But at the same time, I also talk about the things like the poisons that are in our air and our water, and the neurotoxic abilities of those that chemistry to affect whether we can cognitively thinking critically think as well as we used to be or if that's being suppressed via some of those chemicals. And like one of those chemicals is fluoride in our water does absolutely zero good. But it was originally used by the war machine in in Germany, to control the minds of the soldiers so that they were easily programmable. And all of a sudden, like mid 1940s, all of a sudden, we're putting it now in our water here in the United States and claiming that it's going to help with our teeth when we know that scientifically speaking, you have to have a different form of fluoride, and it has to be a direct application of this different form in order for to do any benefit for our teeth. But that's not the only thing that's a neurotoxin, that's kind of causing this situation of lack of critical thinking, lack of common sense. What have you found as a psychologist, you know, basically, difference between 20 years ago and today in the ability to have common sense and critical thinking in the population. Have you have you found that it's had a significant drop or a minor drop Are you know, What have you found,Steve Prentice 25:01  I don't see that it's had a drop or an increase, I think we have just simply expanded logarithmically the volume of everything. If you go back 20 3040 100 years, you're still gonna have organizations that have a vested interest in suppressing the truth. You know, they're Photoshop, you know, is a new technology, but faking photographs has been around since photographs existed, the concepts like fluoride, or sodium in the water, suppressing the information for situations like Love Canal, and other places where, you know, lots of industrial dumping went on. Organizations have always continued to suppress the capacity to find the truth and not saying suppress the truth, but suppress people's capacity to find the truth. You know, in the era where we had three or four major television channels, and we had trusted news readers like Walter Cronkite, it was, that was the target was was how to manage that particular narrow flow of information. But now, in this age, of course, you know, as we've seen, with the rise of some large social media platforms, anybody can post anything and and basically generate a circle of followers very, very easily. So the the problem has magnified exponentially, as you know, and in league with the opportunities for us to use the technologies for our own devices. So yeah, it really hasn't changed, you know, in terms of additional subtraction, just simply expansion. But I always say that the everybody's got the the the knowledge of the world at their fingertips, literally, I mean, your phone can find you anything you want to find. just choosing one source of knowledge is going to, once again, keyhole you into one particular line of thinking. So we have that opportunity to think critically using our devices to say, Okay, if someone tells me about a particular city or town or situation going on how many areas how many different directions Can I actually find that information from and you know, come to my own educated conclusion. So no, I haven't seen it change, I just seen it, expand in scope, if you learn to me and same level, just louder, and but we now have much more opportunity to fix that problem as individuals. And it's quite a pleasurable experience just going online and seeing what I can learn from different sources before coming to a conclusion.Ari Gronich 27:17  Yeah, I just want to add that those different sources probably should be different than, you know, starting differently than just the search engine of Google or just Yahoo, or just being or just any specific search engine, because I know, my my stepdaughter is, is in college. And she does a lot of research and show look something up on Google and get completely different responses than if she looks it up on DuckDuckGo. Or being or one of the other search engines. And so, you know, let's talk a little bit about why it might be, you know, people have prescribed an agenda to Google, and an agenda to certain search engines and certain algorithms that they think is a cute, you know, conspiracy from some, you know, outside source that controlling the inside, right. But can it is it? Is it just that or is it what what makes that algorithm for Google completely different than the search results that you might get on a being or Yahoo or DuckDuckGo? And why is it important to to look on all of those versus just one?Steve Prentice 28:45  Well, the the algorithm of Google when it first when Larry Page and Sergey Brin were at the at the helm of it completely was remarkably different from those that hadn't before, which were largely keyword based. Their algorithm was based on all kinds of the number of connections and and sort of back back connections between, you know, links between websites, it was incredibly brilliant at the time. And I can't confess to knowing what they're doing with it right now. I mean, things like Google and Amazon have grown into enormous, enormous world changing beasts and the number of things they have going. It just boggles the mind literally. But But again, I always want to stop and say, Well, you know, who's a who's on the board of directors of any of these organizations. And I'm not pointing to anyone in particular, but who is now guiding the overall philosophy of this group. Because that's obviously with any organization or company how you're going to sway the the slant is is, who your directors are and who the shareholders are responding to. So something like Google Of course, it has become the industry leader of searching something it has the honor of becoming a verb, which is the the big definition here is go and Google something now, however, are there other resources and I tell people once again, I mean, when you look at these sort of the big, big top five social things, I always talk about Twitter. And I get some eye rolling because people think all they've ever seen about Twitter is certain, you know, high profile individuals abusing it for their own purposes. And yes, there's a lot of junk and a lot of offensive material on Twitter. But there's also a lot of really good people that I thought leaders intelligent people in your industry you know, even if you are working in something that you don't think is high tech, let's say you're a carpenter, you build you do floors, hardwood flooring, okay? What can I possibly learn from Twitter about hardwood flooring? Well, there are people out there who are talking about trends and design new techniques and procedures for treating woods and so forth. These are thought leaders, and they're not necessarily going to be putting up a big website, or even their own podcast, they're going to be just simply posting a thought here or there. So one of the best ways of micro learning because lifelong learning is one of these key future steps to think about as well. Lifelong Learning doesn't mean taking courses all the time, it's also about taking five minutes to read the tweets of these thought leaders who have chosen to follow. So ignore the 10 billion other people who are saying stupid stuff and just focus on 10 or 20. People who are thought leaders, researchers, people, you'd want to meet at a at a conference, let's say, and just see what they're saying about your industry or about something peripheral to that industry. That is where knowledge can come from as an ultimate source to running through the Google matrix or any other search engine metrics, find those leaders who don't have a vested interest in being found on Google, they just simply exploring the world their own way. One of my favorites is the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute. I mean, I'm not a marine biologist, I just happen to love nature in the water, I just love oceans and ocean life as as just from a lay person's perspective. So I love reading some of the scientists who go down in the diving submarines and just look around and so forth. It's very, very enlightening, but also enjoyable, even though I have no desire to become a marine biologist. So those are people on my special list, and I enjoy learning, just learning peripherally peripherally, from what they have to share. So micro learning opportunities in places that aren't, let's say structured and guided, the way that perhaps the major search engines might be is one opportunity. Once again, just looking for a doing searching by keywords across not only the standard search engines, but there are sort of micro search engines within universities or looking deeper, it'd be on page one, into what else is out there. It's obvious that the internet is the easiest way to do this. It's at your table, it's right there physically at your fingertips, rather than going to a library or taking the course somewhere. But once again, just a matter of spreading out the searching not only a sort of outbound searching by typing in keywords, but more importantly, inbound searching by reading articles.I like for example, Google news alerts. And even though that's going back to Google, I can set up some news alerts with keywords. And it will bring in stories from the the news wires that are of importance to me, but there because I've that I've set up those search terms rather than going through their actual algorithms. So I guess bottom line is to cast your net wide, but don't simply rely on search engines and their collected wisdom that way, but search out those people, if I read an essay that has been posted by somebody who I'm following on Twitter, now I'm reading their white paper, their documents, and that's moving me into another world of knowledge that Google may not have caught up with yet. So that's what I would say is just just diversify your intellectual portfolio by just looking for people thought leaders, once again, it's the human connection that I think is going to drive people further and give you whether it's just directly applicable knowledge or peripherally peripherally applicable knowledge, or just simply connections to other people. That's that's the true dividend of being connected online, I think.Ari Gronich 33:57  Cool. So I'm gonna ask you to contradict yourself a little bit, but not really, which is why Does somebody want magazines and newspapers and the printed word to stay printed versus just be online or audioSteve Prentice 34:19  printed word has a far greater impact on your brain than does do the same words on screen much further. The reason I said before, the pace by which your eyes and brain process information is far more in line with analog than with digital. So you can read the same essay or the same article on screen as you could with a paper version as well and you will retain more from that paper version. This is just a nature of how your our brains are constructed. So I would very much be in favor of of sitting down and reading something on paper. As much as I am a technical enthusiast. I just think that's a great way of really pulling information in at the pace that you want. Obviously, there's a sidebar to that. In fact, the most things that are published are published by once again, multinational media companies who have a vested interest in you buying stuff, I mean, when only had to look has to look at all the magazines you could possibly buy in a, you know, brick and mortar bookstore, there's just so many special interest magazines. But there is an actual haptic tangible pleasure for many people in thumbing through a magazine is a different interaction completely from being on screen. And even younger people who have grown up completely surrounded by the information online, can recognize that there's a tangible difference when actually sitting down and reading a magazine or a book. So it's always going to be people's personal choice. It's obviously much more expensive to create and manufacture, hardcopy, and it's also less ecologically sound to do so. But from an information processing perspective, it is it is a few marks above, in terms of its efficacy as a deliverer of information.Ari Gronich 36:04  Yeah, so you know, I look at things like what you're saying, economical, you know, benefits to not printing, because of that extra resource. But then I saw a statistic about how much electricity it takes for you to do one single Google search. And the amount of energy it takes for a single Google search was exponential, comparatively to the call of nature of paper, especially if you went back to some of the sustainable sources of paper, like hemp paper, and things like that. So it's an interesting conundrum, I believe that we are trying to do things that are good for nature, we're trying to create more sustainability and sustainable practices. But we end up creating situations where we literally are doing the exact opposite of the intention. And this is a place for critical thinking and common sense to start playing in. And I'll give a really quick example of that, and that is the original Prius, and I'm not sure if they changed this or not, but they were, you know, digging the nickel mines in Canada. And then they would ship those raw nickel, you know, material to China, on oil driven, you know, ship barges, and then they would have to go and do all of the taking of that material and turning it into and processing it into the battery, and then it would ship somewhere else for them to actually start to assemble. And that was another layer of waste and lack of sustainability. And so, by the time a Prius got back to the States, it had gone back and forth, I think a few times or parts of it had and you had already consumed. I think it was four or five times more. And I don't remember the numbers Exactly. But the the amount of lifetime value of the savings of the electric benefit, right. And it's also given rise to this massive industry of electric vehicles, which could one day be more sustainable than they are expendable or more than were expending. So is the benefit and does they outweigh the benefit outweigh the loss is the the consequence to the action? Right? And the consequences to those actions? Are they relative and sustainable? And when it comes to profit, does the profit really matter? If we're talking about human lives and the ability to live on a planet that we've been kind of raping?Steve Prentice 39:35  Well, there's there's two big questions there, he said is that one is actually sustainable. And the other one is, does the profit concept really matter? With regards to sustainability, it's a horse race, obviously, I mean, ultimately, if you could sort of say that the all those electric cars will eventually get manufactured more locally, or if they do need to be shipped across the world. They'll be shipped on on boats that are maybe wind powered. There are New, you know, sales like sale based freighters out already. You could you could see that the leveling of that particular curve over time as all the technologies that support the manufacturer, that electric car, and all of the the grid supports the electrical charging, including your own capacity to recharge from your home using the solar powers and solar panels rather.If we can win that horrible horse race, then yes, I think you can move ahead and generations to come would look back on the 19th and 20th centuries as a dark ages unto itself. But when you look back on the Dark Ages prior to this, or even in the 17 1800s, during the Industrial Revolution, where there were smokestacks belching out coal and wood effluent everywhere, we've come a long way from burning anything in sight to make heat and make power and horses dropping their stuff all over the all over the place. And the diseases that came from that sewage systems, you know, just the infrastructure that we have, has brought us a long way from the dirt. We were scrabbling around with just a mere 300 years ago. So can we do it? Can we get to that utopia where these things are actually making a net gain in terms of ecological sustainability? Yes, but are we going to do it in time? Or? That's the big question because people may scoff at the concept of when when the scientists once again say the average temperature is going up by two degrees Celsius. And everyone says, what, two degrees Celsius big deal, that means nothing. And the scientists themselves have admitted perhaps they were wrong in the way they marketed that because when they say two degrees, they're talking about an average global average. So countries like Australia or, or places like California may be burning themselves to the ground. And that's raising temperatures on one extreme there. And there are extremes of cold happening elsewhere. And so they average it out. That's again, the problem with scientists and technologists as they are way too literal, and they expect the rest of the world to follow that. So that's an average guys, which means that there's a lot of up and down happening. So is it sustainable, maybe if we can beat the the kind of landslide we have created in in in warming the earth jus to not only carbon effluence of our own, but you know, as the as the ice is retreating, of course it's releasing methane in the ground. It is cutting back on the Earth's capacity to reflect light so there's all these ancillary ways in which we're heating the earth is not all industry. But to your second point, you know, is this profitable to do this? I'm always kind of amazed when I watch the the it's not only in the states of course but around the world the the the big oil and the big industry bigwigs who fight tooth and nail against progress because they have too much money to be made still in oil and coal. And I wonder if they were to turn their their manufacturing processes into creating solar and tidal power, they could still make money there there's a profit margin there too, if that was it, and that is the thing that motivates most people, sadly, is that we are a we are a predatory species we are there to to beat our way to the top of the human pile as well as you know, just just to survive that there's no question that we are a predatory species so the profit motive will never die away. I'm not saying I agree with it, but I'm saying that will never die away because it is just fundamental to human instinct to survive and thrive and if I have a billion dollars and you have zero Well too bad for you, I've got my world community and I'm safe and that is again I'm not in not condoning that or agreeing with it. But it is a fundamental principle of survival. So the profit margin will not go away but it's very easy to turn around and say well you can make as much money building wind farms as you can drilling into the ground and fracking all the all the limestone you there's ways you can generate renewable energies, why not simply transfer that and that's that's what I have a hard time grasping. I mean, I know when I'm on level why they do it, but it's it's not like everyone says, Okay, let's stop drilling oil. And you guys just just twiddle your thumbs for 100 years? No, there's there's a lot of things they could do to replace that. And these technologies are emerging. Wind turbines Do not kill bald eagles by the millions. But even with new technologies and turbines do not have to spin around like big blades that are wavy ones that look like the ripple fins of a jellyfish or a cuttlefish that wiggle around the oscillates rather than rotate. So can we do this? Boy, that's not what I want to put any money on because we are in a horse race against the the ecology and the the the climate change that is inevitably happening here is undoubtedly happening. But if we can turn it around to speak the language of profits, because hand in hand with profit motive, of course, his political motive people want their voters to continue to vote for them. This is again, every country in the world that has vote Democrat democracy or a parent democracy, so they're not going to want to lay off 100,000 oil wells. occurs, because that gets remembered during an election. So the politicians themselves must also come on board with this, I'm seeing a slow shift towards this. But the matter is, is that shift that is slow, sufficiently fast to get us out of this this pincer movement that's happening between us and the ecology. So it's, it's a big long way of saying, I'm not quite sure.Ari Gronich 45:24  I appreciate that. And, and I'm going to ask you another one you might not be so sure about, but is there something other than money, that, psychologically would be more important for a profit because you can profit with money, or you can profit with, you know, a purpose? Meaning that you have a purpose and the purpose reaches its its goal? And so where is the money on the scale of motivation? You know, if you're looking at motivating factors, profit might be here, is there something above financial profit or not, because we already know that people are below financial profit in most people's value books, so or at least in in the way that we've arranged our society.Steve Prentice 46:26  To my understanding, the only thing higher than profit as a goal is power. And when you look at people who have more money than they could possibly spend, you know, their grandchildren or possibly spend, the next thing they seek is power, political power. And that is inevitable. I mean, I like reading books on history from the last few centuries, because none of what's happening right now is new. It's happened over and over again. You know, we had a pandemic in 1918, almost 100 years ago. Some of the extreme right wing movements that are happening, happened 100 years ago, they happen 300 years ago, the madness of crowds, which is an actual title of a book, popular delusions and the madness of crowds, is all about how crowds do sort of come together around a concept. And then they whip that up into a frenzy that becomes a movement. And this again, has happened over the centuries over tulip bulbs and over all kinds of either profit making ventures in the New World, or the fear of witchcraft, or the fear of communism, or now the fear of cryptocurrency and blockchain, it's, it's all the same, the same kind of thing, that there's a collective fear that comes from the contagion of emotion that people share. So I don't think the profit is ever going to go away as the as the primary motivator for all of human undertakings. Many who disagree with that point, there's a lot of selfless people out there, there's a lot of those who are working, almost, you know, working themselves to death to save lives right now. Yes, on an individual level, but when you look collectively at any country that has millions of people, and it has a leader, the leaders tend to evolve, or ones that are focused primarily on profits, and on the power that comes from that. And when you look at countries that had had a strong socialist base, some of the Scandinavian countries, for example, and Canada, there's, there's a social safety net, and so on. It's a wonderful thing to have. But it's still not looked upon with great trust by the majority of the world, it just seems to wrong. So I would love to be wrong. On this point, I would love for humanity as a whole to come back to I think what a lot more of our ancestors are First Nations people in all countries that had that symbiosis with nature, and recognized how we all can exist together, I'd love for us to go back to some sort of mindset from that. But this particular Millennium has been focused right from, you know, at 1000, right through to now has been focused just on pure, just just getting as fast and as far as you can, and reaping the profits along the way. So I don't see that ending anytime soon. So any solutions have to be built into that language? And there's little bits of cracks of light here and there that we're seeing, but it is quite the struggle.Ari Gronich 49:19  Yeah, you know, it's interesting to me, because I look at I look at the world and and I'm kind of disappointed that people haven't quite figured out that we made this stuff up that this is all a figment of our collective imagination. And they can choose to have the outcomes that we currently have, or we can choose to create different outcomes if we get brave enough to change the constructs of how we've constructed the society. And so just on that psychological level, I you know, I'm I'm curious about that power versus profit or profit, leading to power being the ultimate motivation, because I'm not sure that I've met too many people that truly want power over another person. And so I feel like like there might be a conversation about how somebody can get power over themselves, without having to have power over somebody else. So that they can become that fulfill, you know, have that fulfillment of having that power. And I think that most attempts at power over other people are because they feel like they have no power over themselves.Steve Prentice 50:55  It's very possible. Indeed, I think when you look at any cross section of political leaders in any country, you're seeing exactly that people who perhaps weren't able to have power over themselves. And so they do pursue that that other path to have power over others. There's there's a, it's a mindset, they're about justifying your existence by having power over others. And you don't need to have a country of 300 million people, we're all 300,000,001 of the presidents and they want to have that power, you only need a few to climb that particular ladder. But I think going back to one of our earlier points, if you want to have power over yourself, you want to have a sense of self fulfillment and destiny, and just being able to drive your life the way you'd like it. Yes, I think that is eminently in anybody's hands. And once again, the the capacity we have for career management's and for just being aware of what's available out there in the world, that allows you to step out from under a shadow of fear that you may have whoever's holding power over you. Now the question becomes, why are they holding power over you now? And what can you do about it? So what number one is going to be your employer because you fear losing your job? Okay, well, remember that fear, there are two sides to the human existence, which is central to this, this statement here, we have an emotional side and a rational side. And the emotion side always wins. And the most powerful emotion of all, is fear. So fear is going to guide people and drive people to do things. When you look at the the masking controversy, you know, people who want to wear masks or don't want to wear masks in this particular situation. Those who do wear masks have recognized the logic of the the the transmission barrier that a mask provides. Those who do not largely are either fearing an invasion of their privacy or doubting it's the masks capacity, or fearing the reality that the mask symbolizes of the current pandemic that we're in is a big, big thing. We go down in that particular rabbit hole, but it's all about fear. So we have the fear of all kinds of things in the world. And so my question becomes, how can we now step out from under our own shadow of fear? And use logic to say, what can I fix about this? If I'm afraid of my boss, and I'm afraid of getting fired. So I work 18 hours a day, I do everything that is asked of me, because I fear getting fired. I'm going to say, Okay, let's change that fear. I wrote a I'm not plugging my book. But I just wanted to share the title that I wrote a book called work like a wolf. And the reason I wrote the book called work like a wolf is because when you compare wolves to dogs, wolves know how to find the next meal, they know how to go out there and hunt down their next meal. Dogs, my love, I have to have my own. But dogs have been domesticated, they traded their, their freedom for a regular meal and a warm place to sleep. So they wait to get fed. But a wolf has always got to keep his or her hunting instincts sharp to find out where their next opportunity is going to come from. When people can turn that on with themselves. So rather than being afraid of being fired, I want to say, I'm not afraid of being fired. I want to I want to build in myself my capacity of knowing what my skills are, where I can sell them and what I can do to always feel that I am in control, I have the power of myself career wise, by not being afraid of being fired. So that would be one of my answers to you there is power of oneself comes from learning what is causing you fear, and learning, recognizing how that fear dominates us purely physiologically and psychologically. And then saying, Okay, how can I eliminate that fear through facts? How can I find the facts to neutralize the fear? If I fear getting fired? Okay, what can I do to avoid getting fired? Well, I can learn more skills, I can learn more relationship management with the people around me, but I can also ensure my future by knowing what else is out there and how I can find it. And I really strongly believe everyone deserves to do that even if you're in a highly specific line of work that requires a factory if it let's say you're an aircraft engine mechanic. Great, you know, you can't open up your own competitor to Boeing. But you can find out what else is out there for aircraft manufacturers to, to, to sell their skills on. And similar to that, look at personal financial management, how to eliminate debt, how to pay down or eliminate credit card debts and all the things that at least in my generation, we were never taught in school never taught financial literacy. So learn how to take control of your own money. So you're no longer afraid of debt collectors, or banks and credit ratings and stuff like that. There's a lot of stuff much like the whole fluoride thing you were saying before that has been kind of implanted in US culturally, I was never taught about mortgages or credit cards, and I went to school.In fact, I remember that you had to be 21. And you had to qualify to get your first credit card. This is not so long ago, it was maybe 25 years ago. But now of course, you can get them they sent to you all the time. So the point is, learn about career management, learn about financial management, by taking control of those two things alone, you now step out from under the shadow of fear, and you start that particular an individual path of self power, power over self power over your own life. Nobody can fire you if you are able to sell your job or sell your skills somewhere else. And I'm saying that somewhere else exists, it exists. And then once again, it's at your fingertips to find it. Cool. SoAri Gronich 56:27  on that psychological level of fear, versus the psychological level of hope. I find that in my experience with people fear typically beats out hope. So what are some techniques that somebody can who's listening, can actualize can do when the fear of something has outweighed the hope. And they see and it stops them in their tracks.Steve Prentice 57:13  Once again, a short answer, write it down. I know that sounds weird to say it. But when you get the things that are circling in your head that are causing you fear, so long as they stay in your head, you will not be able to to slay those dragons, you have to get them physically out so you can see them. And here's what we have different kinds of memory in the body and the mind, we have short term memory long term memory and physical muscle memory, the thing that reminds you, you know, which which drawer which which which cupboard your coffee cup is, and you just simply open it by by default, you drive by physical by muscle memory, largely long term memory is where most of our memories are stored for most of our lives. The short term memory, however, is very limited. The two most people will say about eight items at one time. So if I was to dictate a 10 item list for you to go out and buy some stuff for me, without writing it down somewhere, you'd be lucky. If you remember eight, then if you get a phone call along on the way you'll be lucky if you remember to or even which store you're going to because your short term memory has been used up, it's been flushed, it's like the ram of a computer. So when you're wrestling with fear with problems with worry, the the more they circle around in that short term memory, there is no space for anything else to come in. So I always tell people, this is therapy, right? Whether it's self therapy, where you use a surface like paper, or a dry erase board or a smartboard on a conference call video conference. Or you use the vessel that is a counselor or a psychologist or therapist, someone who takes those thoughts and holds them for you. No matter what vessel or surface you use, you get these things out. Because when you get them out, number one, you can see them, you can see them again, you vet them from the outside and you reprocess them, which allows you to think them through even further. But secondly, you give your short term memory permission to let go of them. It actually won't forget them The moment you stop trying to remember them. That's ironically weird. But that's the one forget it as soon as you stop trying to remember. But it allows you now to work on the next level of solving your own problems. So when you go to a counselor or a psychologist, that person should not tell you what to do. I mean a physician, a doctor might prescribe something for you, a psychiatrist might prescribe a medicine or a technique for you. But psychologists and therapists are supposed to ask you how did this make you feel? You know, what do you think about this and pull out the the answers from you so you can solve your own problems with their guiding hands to help you along the way. So my answer once again is for people who are stuck in this this storm of worry and fear. The best way to get out of that is to write these things physically down somewhere. The act of writing especially handwriting as opposed to typing will give your brain the chance, as I said to look at it vetted, question it again. And create the space for the next thoughts and ideas to come in. And on a larger scale, if you're dealing with a problem that you wish to share with others, or if it's a work related problem, a crisis or an opportunity to innovate on a new product, same thing, get it out on a surface where everyone can see it, because then you're also going to benefit from the collective wisdom and experience of others in the room, the sum becomes greater than the parts when they can all see things. But the longer you keep things bottled up inside your head, the longer the problem will live with you. So that's my short answer is just write it down.Ari Gronich 1:00:33  Awesome, thank you. So what other kinds of things do you like to chat about when it comes to the collision of technology and people? What you know, what do you think of the idea that we soon are going to be part human part technology?Steve Prentice 1:00:56  Oh, we already are, I think I mean, we are. So imagine leaving your house and forgetting your phone. Oh, my goodness, I gotta go back. Gotta go get it. So we are part human part technology, you can't live without your phone. I remember one, sort of public speaker, psychologist type person doing this, it's something I would never do for a live audience. But he actually went and collected people's phones from the audience and watching the fear in their eyes when they lost this cherished device. So I think that ship has already sailed, we have, we have the greatest advice ever known to humankind. Isaac Asimov once said, The perfect machine is something with no moving parts. And that's what we have here is that a phone, you know, which is only one small part of your smartphone has no moving parts, per se, it could be anything you want it to be in terms of the apps that are available. So we have learned to create great tools, you know, hugely powerful thing much on on line with invention of steam power, and or even just meat, being able to make fire, you know, this, these are really great advances. So I want to see how we can make those, again, serve humanity in better ways. And one of the best ways I have found is in education. There's a concept that I love following called flipped schooling. And looking at all the young people out there, and especially when you keep track of the innovations that are happening with people who are 13 years old, or 19 years old, just just young people who've just come up with these amazing ideas, because they're there, they're not yet under the yoke of their employer and other particular restraints. They have brilliance that the traditional schooling system in most countries has, has always credit keep channeled into like a sausage factory, just move people through and push them out the other end, the flipped schooling, if you haven't heard of that before, have you heard of that before? You know, No, I haven't. Okay, so So what it is essentially is, you know, you and I went to school, you're the teacher would tell you a bunch of stuff boring in the way that the teachers taught back then, and send you home with a big bunch of homework, and you got to work this stuff through by yourself on the kitchen table, trying to figure out what the heck you just learned, flipped schooling, says, Okay, let's take those two things and turn them around. So we send students home with, let's say, videos, videos that are not not just your average YouTube video, but carefully created videos on a topic, let's say maybe it is a math topic that's visual and a bit more better explaining how a math topic works. So you learn that stuff on your own time at home, then you go back to class. And that's when you can capitalize on the teacher's knowledge to work through what you're trying to understand. Because learning is not about just hearing words, it's about massaging them into your brain and your soul in a way that will will stay and become something useful. So if I learn about, let's say, a component of algebra, or trigonometry, or geometry, or whatever, then I can go back to class during the day and ask the teacher What do you mean by this? Or how would it apply to that, I can now leverage the teacher's knowledge and skills to add to this sort of static knowledge I learned in the evening. So flipped schooling, paired with the fact that we are living in the era of the audience of one now that your educational requirements, your attention span, your personality type are going to be different from mine. If you're a Type A and I'm a Type B, we're going to learn differently. If you're a morning person, and I'm a night owl, we're going to learn differently. If I've got to look afte

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