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Dr. Jessi Gold, author of "How Do You Feel? One Doctor's Search for Humanity in Medicine"
Lead the way in depression management! We're joined by Dr. Jessi Gold, a psychiatrist and mental health advocate, who provides essential pearls on ways to recognize the multifaceted nature of depression and similarly presenting medical conditions. We also discuss the complexities of treatment options including various medication options and therapies, and how to choose between these treatments. Claim CME for this episode at curbsiders.vcuhealth.org! Patreon | Episodes | Subscribe | Spotify | YouTube | Newsletter | Contact | Swag! | CME Show Segments Intro Case 1 from Kashlak Medical conditions that can mimic depression Diagnosis of depression How to explain depression to family Initial treatment options for depression Case 2 from Kashlak Suicide risk assessment Trialing, augmenting, and tapering of medications Pharmacogenetic testing Alternate treatment options: TMS, ECT, ketamine, psilocybin, cannabis Outro Credits Written and Produced by: Zoya Surani Show Notes, Infographic, and Cover Art: Zoya Surani Hosts: Matthew Watto MD, FACP; Paul Williams MD, FACP Reviewer: Sai Achi MD,MBA,FACP Showrunners: Matthew Watto MD, FACP; Paul Williams MD, FACP Technical Production: PodPaste Guest: Jessi Gold, MD Disclosures Dr. Gold reports no relevant financial disclosures. The Curbsiders report no relevant financial disclosures. Sponsor: Panacea Financial Visit PanaceaFinancial.com to explore financial solutions designed to make your life better. Sponsor: FIGS Go to WearFIGS.com and use the code FIGS-R-X to get 15% off your first order. Sponsor: Ezresus Listeners of the Cribsiders get access to a 2-month free trial, letting them use 100% of the features of the app. For more information visit www.ezresus.com/curbsiders Sponsor: Freed Visit Freed.ai and use code CURB50 to get $50 off your first month when you subscribe!
Feeling down from time to time is normal, but how can you tell when sadness is something more – like major depressive disorder? We spoke with Jessi Gold, MD, MS, the first chief wellness officer of the University of Tennessee system and bestselling author of How Do You Feel?, to unpack the complexities of depression. She breaks down the differences between temporary low mood and clinical depression, the role of genetics and medical conditions, and how daily stressors can contribute. We also dive into treatment options -- from therapy to medication -- and the importance of recognizing when it's time to seek help.
Dr. Jessi Gold, psychiatrist and chief wellness officer for the University of Tennessee
In this episode, Michelle Glogovac speaks with Dr. Jessi Gold about the importance of mental health conversations, the stigma surrounding them, and the role of empathy in understanding emotional struggles. They discuss the challenges of burnout in healthcare, the significance of self-disclosure in therapy, and the impact of societal issues on mental well-being. Dr. Gold shares insights from her memoir, How Do You Feel?, emphasizing the need for open dialogue and sustainability in mental health services. What We're Talking About We need to have more conversations about mental health. Empathy plays a crucial role in understanding others' struggles. Burnout is a significant issue in the healthcare profession. Self-disclosure can enhance the therapeutic relationship. Stigma around mental health still exists in society. Coping with overwhelming emotions is essential for well-being. External events can greatly impact mental health. Finding connection through shared experiences is vital. Sustainability in mental health services is necessary for effective care. Open conversations about mental health can help reduce stigma. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Jessi Gold 04:17 The Impact of COVID on Healthcare Professionals 09:13 The Importance of Mental Health in Medicine 13:59 Navigating Personal and Professional Boundaries 19:43 The Role of Vulnerability in Therapy 27:14 Breaking the Stigma Around Mental Health 31:49 The Need for Sustainability in Healthcare 35:36 Conclusion and Resources 39:36 Breaking the Stigma of Mental Health Conversations Links Mentioned Dr. Jessi Gold's Website How Do You Feel? by Dr. Jessi Gold Dr. Jessi Gold's Instagram
Burnout in health care settings is an all-too-common struggle for healthcare professionals. This month Dr. Jessi Gold explores the toll of the pandemic on health care workers and how these workers can overcome the emotional and psychological exhaustion that accompanies such a demanding field. The dangers of allowing burnout to fester can be catastrophic, not just for the individual, but for health systems as a whole, as the silent suffering of their workers can lead to inefficiencies in care and loss of public trust. She discusses her framework for confronting burnout and shares her approach of being vulnerable as a therapist with these patients to help encourage them to open up since they are so used to hiding their suffering. Dr. Jessi Gold, M.D., serves as the inaugural Chief Wellness Officer for the University of Tennessee System and as an associate professor of psychiatry at the University of Tennessee Health Science Center. Dr. Gold graduated from the Yale School of Medicine and has received numerous awards and accolades for her contributions in mental health and psychiatry, especially during the COVID-19 pandemic. Her first book, “HOW DO YOU FEEL?: One Doctor's Search for Humanity in Medicine,” is available now and explores the personal tolls of a career spent healing others. “We've long believed that somehow if we just tried harder, this really hard thing that we do, where we listen to people's traumas and problems, that if we just became numb to it, that it won't affect us,” notes Dr. Gold. “Thinking like that never made sense to me. Of course, it affects us and, while it's not a weakness, it is something that we have to prepare for and factor into our approach.” Follow The Menninger Clinic on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and LinkedIn to stay up to date on new Mind Dive episodes. To submit a topic for discussion, email podcast@menninger.edu. If you are a new or regular listener, please leave us a review on your favorite listening platform! Visit The Menninger Clinic website to learn more about The Menninger Clinic's research and leadership role in mental health.
In today's episode of Psych Talk I chat with Dr. Brittany Chidley, PsyD about the power of feelings. She describes what feelings are and why she is so passionate about discussing feelings and their importance. We discussed how feelings can impact us beyond simply how we experiences the, as well as why it is easier to talk about pleasant feelings compared to unpleasant feelings. Dr. Chidley discussed why it is common for us to suppress difficult feelings and how we can cope with our feelings in a healthy manner. Further, Dr. Chidley discusses her platform And We Feel, a platform dedicated to empowering everyone to understand and feel. Connect with Dr. Chidley: IG: @andwefeel Website: www.andwefeel.com Resources mentioned in this episode: How Do You Feel by Jessi Gold, MD Permission to Feel by Marc Brackett PhD How Emotions are Made by Lisa Feldman Barrett Connect with Me: Follow me on IG @jessicaleighphd Follow the podcast on IG @psych.talk.podcast Follow me on TikTok @jessicaleighphd Follow me on Youtube Follow me on Threads @jessicaleighphd Welcome to Group Therapy Podcast Join my Facebook community: Grow Through What You Go Through Ways to Work With Me: Mind Over Matter LGBTQ+ Affirming Masterclass Be a guest on my podcast Resources: Anti-Racism Resources LGBTQ+ Affirming Resources The Helping Professional's Guide to Boundary Setting Intro/Outro Music Life of Riley by Kevin MacLeod Music License
how do you prevent your life from falling apart when you don't feel like doing anything? Can we even afford a mental health day? we hear from individuals who have juggled their mental health challenges with professional life, learning about their coping mechanisms and the support systems that have helped them persevere. we discuss practical self-help strategies that go beyond traditional therapy, such as engaging in hobbies, utilizing third spaces for relaxation, and the benefits of peer-to-peer support networks. we also talk to Dr. Jessi Gold about how not to let life unravel when facing mental health issues. SOCIAL LINKS: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/grownk1d/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@grownkid Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/3C6oJYFLbesR2ELhXIk7dz?si=6acdcba455dc4323 Website: grownkid.com JOIN OUR SOCIAL CLUB IN LOS ANGELES: https://form.typeform.com/to/eBSho4lE About Our Partners: GrownKid is made possible by the Schultz Family Foundation, dedicated to helping young people unlock their full potential and successfully navigate to fulfilling careers. GrownKid is made in partnership with Joy Coalition where purpose driven content meets powerful storytelling. From 13 reasons Why to unprisoned, Joy Coalition projects are made to bridge generations and drive groundbreaking conversations. Interested in a career in mental health? Check out the Youth Mental Health Corps – a new program created by the Schultz Family Foundation, Pinterest and AmeriCorps - where anyone with a high school degree can gain experience, skills, and a credential during a year of paid service in the mental health field. Learn more at youthmentalhealthcorps.org Featured Guests: Dr. Jessi Gold: @jessigoldmd, Chief Wellness Officer for the University of Tennessee System. Order ‘How Do You Feel?' out on 10/8! https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/How-Do-You-Feel/Jessi-Gold/9781982199777 Elio Kennedy-Yoon: Viral internet personality, Harvard Student, Singer Reid Hensen: @reidhensen, Writer, Producer, Director @ Joy Coalition Resources: Active Minds - Encourages students to talk about mental health and seek help. Provides peer support, education, advocacy training, and resources for awareness campaigns. The Jed Foundation (JED) - Works to protect emotional health and prevent suicide among teens and young adults. Offers program assessments, educational resources, peer support training, and suicide prevention efforts for schools and communities. Born This Way Foundation - Focuses on youth mental health and promotes kindness. Provides mental health resources, anti-bullying campaigns, and youth-led community programs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Dr. Wilner would love your feedback! Click here to send a text! Thanks!Many thanks to Jessi Gold, MD, MS, an Associate Professor of Psychiatry at the University of Tennessee Health Science Center, Chief Wellness Officer of the University of Tennessee, and author of the new book, “How Do You Feel?” Dr. Gold is the Wellness Officer for the 5 campuses of the University of Tennessee and its more than 60,000 students and almost 20,000 faculty and staff. During our 45-minute discussion, she related the history behind the adoption of “wellness” as a responsibility of institutions like universities and hospitals. She also explored how the relatively new concept of “work/life balance” can create tension in the workplace and paradoxically hinder students, residents, and faculty from achieving “wellness.” During COVID, Dr. Gold practiced psychiatry and saw first-hand how the pandemic brought her seriously ill mental health patients and affected her personally. One result of this experience was her new book, “How Do You Feel?” Part memoir and part COVID-health-care-worker-mental-health-chronicle, Dr. Gold shares the stories of four of her patients as well as her own. You can find her book here:https://amzn.to/4fSSPn7 To learn more or contact Dr. Gold, check out her website: www.drjessigold.comPlease click "Fanmail" and share your feedback!If you enjoy an episode, please share with friends and colleagues. "The Art of Medicine with Dr. Andrew Wilner" is now available on Alexa! Just say, "Play podcast The Art of Medicine with Dr. Andrew Wilner!" To never miss a program, subscribe at www.andrewwilner.com. You'll learn about new episodes and other interesting programs I host on Medscape.com, ReachMD.com, and RadioMD.com. Please rate and review each episode. To contact Dr. Wilner or to join the mailing list: www.andrewwilner.com To support this program: https://www.patreon.com/andrewwilner Finally, this production has been made possible in part by support from “The Art of Medicine's” wonderful sponsor, Locumstory.com, a resource where providers can get real, unbiased answers about locum tenens. If you are interested in locum tenens, or considering a new full-time position, please go to Locumstory.com. Or paste this link into your browser: ...
"For some reason we were taught that if we were good at our jobs we could do it and never be affected by it. I don't know who told us that but that was stupid."This episode is with Dr. Jessi Gold, who is a psychiatrist at the University of Tennessee Health Science Center and the Chief Wellness Office for the University of Tennesse System. In this episode we talk about:- Her memoir "How Do You Feel"- The decision to share her story- Changing the culture in medicine to allow us to be humans who have emotions, and how we will all be better for it- How to make it through your day and also make time to feel your feelings- Her thoughts on wellness culture and "hacks" and her personal experience trying some of these- And so much more! Connect with Moms of Medicine:- Instagram @moms_of_medicine- Momsofmedicine@gmail.comConnect with Dr. Jessi Gold:- https://www.drjessigold.com/- Buy her book! You can find it on Amazon, BAM! books a million, Book Shop, Barnes & Noble- Instagram @drjessigold
Physican coach Michelle Chestovich MD had a conversation with psyschiatrist, wellness officer and author Jessi Gold MD. Her book is part memoir and part patient stories about how we deal with burnout and the stressors of our job. Incredible book and I highly suggest for you and everyone you love! I'll be hosting a virtual bookclub on this book in 2025, sign up here if you'd like an invitation:https://mamadoclifecoaching.myflodesk.com/bookclub
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Dr. Jessi Gold (@DrJessiGold) is the Chief Wellness Officer for the University of Tennessee as well as an Associate Professor of Psychiatry. Her main advocacy focus has been burnout in the healthcare industry, which includes issues like doctors being trained to stuff emotions, increased suicide rates for healthcare workers, and general issues with the overall healthcare system. Look for her book How Do You Feel: One Doctor's Search For Humanity in MedicineFor more about Jessi: https://www.drjessigold.com/ and her book How Do You Feel https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/How-Do-You-Feel/Jessi-Gold/9781982199777.This episode is sponsored by Vimergy. Go to www.Vimergy.com and use offer code MENTAL for free shipping. Save up to 12% with their mix and save program. If you're interested in seeing or buying the furniture that Paul designs and makes follow his IG for his woodworking which is transitioning from @MIHHfurniture to its new handle @ShapedFurniture WAYS TO HELP THE MIHH PODCASTSubscribe via iTunes. It costs nothing. It's extremely helpful to have your subscription set to download all episodes automatically. https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/mental-illness-happy-hour/id427377900?mt=2Spread the word via social media. It costs nothing.Our website is www.mentalpod.com our FB is www.Facebook.com/mentalpod and our Twitter and Instagram are both @Mentalpod Become a much-needed Patreon monthly-donor (with occasional rewards) for as little as $1/month at www.Patreon.com/mentalpod Become a one-time or monthly donor via PayPal at https://mentalpod.com/donateYou can also donate via Zelle (make payment to mentalpod@gmail.com) To donate via Venmo make payment to @Mentalpod See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Feeling overwhelmed and emotionally drained? You're not alone. In this episode, we chat with Dr. Jessi Gold, a leading psychiatrist and Chief Wellness Officer, about the challenges of burnout, especially for those in high-pressure professions. Dr. Gold dives into the emotional toll on healthcare workers and students, offering practical solutions for navigating stress and prioritizing mental well-being. We also discuss her insightful new book, "How Do You Feel? One Doctor's Search for Humanity in Medicine" - a must-read for anyone seeking to reclaim their emotional health. Tune in for a conversation that will leave you feeling empowered and equipped to tackle stress head-on.
As an assistant professor, practicing psychiatrist, university wellness leader, and regular media expert, Jessi Gold was used to constant busyness. But when mental exhaustion led her to commit an unthinkable error during a patient session, she was forced to reevaluate everything that the medical system taught her.
In this episode, we explore the emotional toll of burnout on healthcare professionals with Dr. Jessi Gold, a psychiatrist and Chief Wellness Officer at the University of Tennessee System. Burnout often manifests as depersonalization—a form of emotional detachment that shields clinicians from the relentless trauma they witness. Dr. Gold delves into how this protective mechanism can lead to emotional numbness, distancing healthcare workers from their patients and even themselves. We discuss the concept of alexithymia, where prolonged detachment causes clinicians to lose touch with their own emotions, making it challenging to process trauma or empathize with patients. Dr. Gold offers practical strategies for overcoming burnout, such as early intervention, therapy, setting emotional boundaries, and advocating for systemic change within healthcare institutions. Tune in to learn how reconnecting with the meaning behind their work can help clinicians rediscover a sense of purpose and resilience in their careers.
In this eye-opening episode, Dr. Jessie Gold takes us on a journey into the heart of mental health care—where the personal meets the professional. As the first Chief Wellness Officer for the University of Tennessee System, overseeing five campuses and over 62,000 students, Dr. Gold is no stranger to the pressures faced by healthcare professionals. She's also an acclaimed psychiatrist, professor, speaker, and author of "How Do You Feel," a book that unpacks the emotional reality and humanity behind healthcare. Key Highlights: Self-Disclosure in Therapy: Dr. Gold opens up about how sharing her own experiences enhances therapeutic relationships. Burnout & Compassion Fatigue: Discover the signs and effects of burnout, plus the emotional cost that mental health professionals often pay. Big Feelings Matter: Why suppressing emotions can be detrimental and how validating feelings is essential for everyone, therapists included. Therapists Need Therapy Too: Dr. Gold emphasizes the importance of mental health support for those in caregiving roles. Writing from the Heart: Her book "How Do You Feel" highlights the often-overlooked emotional needs of healthcare workers and the importance of self-care in the profession. Whether you're a healthcare worker, mental health advocate, or someone passionate about authenticity and self-care, this episode will leave you with valuable insights and a fresh perspective on mental health. Dr. Gold's words remind us that everyone, even the caretakers, deserves care and compassion. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thedudetherapist/support
In this episode of 'Your Doctor Friends,' we discuss Dr. Jessi Gold's impactful memoir, "How Do You Feel? One Doctor's Search for Humanity in Medicine." Dr. Gold shares stories from her experiences as a psychiatrist, focusing on the mental health struggles of healthcare providers during the COVID-19 pandemic. We delve into the book's emotional depth, exploring themes of vulnerability, guilt, and the difficulty healthcare providers face in acknowledging their own need for help. Dr. Gold's insights stress the importance of external support and the need to change the culture within the healthcare system to prioritize mental health and well-being. Please sign up for our SUBSTACK For more episodes, limited edition merch, to send us direct messages, and more, follow this link! Connect with us: Website: https://yourdoctorfriendspodcast.com/ Email us at yourdoctorfriendspodcast@gmail.com @your_doctor_friends on Instagram - Send/DM us a voice memo or question and we might play it/answer it on the show or on socials! @yourdoctorfriendspodcast1013 on YouTube 00:00 Introduction: Who Helps the Helpers? 00:10 Reviewing Dr. Jessi Gold's Book 00:20 The Emotional Impact of the Book 00:50 Meet Dr. Jessi Gold 01:03 Patient Stories and Personal Insights 01:49 Discussing Mental Health in Healthcare 02:47 Challenges Faced by Healthcare Providers 04:01 Highlighting Megan's Story 05:06 The Struggles of Healthcare Providers 07:41 The Burden of Asking for Help 09:23 Personal Reflections and Therapy 17:18 The Importance of Support Systems 25:48 Changing the Culture in Medicine 29:33 Final Thoughts and Conclusion
Mental health professionals often provide support, but what happens when they need help themselves? In this episode, Dr. Jessi Gold and Gabe Howard explore burnout, emotional exhaustion, and the unique challenges doctors and therapists face. Using humor and honesty, they discuss the stigmas around mental health care providers seeking treatment themselves and the importance of "practicing what you preach." Dr. Gold reveals how burnout can manifest emotionally and physically, from depersonalization to feeling disconnected from personal accomplishments. She explains why mental health workers, who deal in emotions daily, often avoid addressing their own emotional struggles. The episode explores the delicate balance between maintaining empathy and protecting oneself from burnout, and Dr. Gold shares practical strategies for self-care – for professionals and patients. Whether you're a healthcare worker, a patient, or someone curious about the inner lives of mental health professionals, this episode offers a candid look into the emotional toll of caregiving. Listen Now! “And it did not help my burnout. I think that I do what a lot of people do, which is actually a symptom of burnout, which is depersonalization, which is disconnecting as much as humanly possible. And I think we learn that in training as a way to protect ourselves. But what happens with burnout or what happens when story after story after story is resonating too much is we kind of disconnect completely. And so we're no longer like that person is a person. We're sort of like, that's just another, like it's an object.” ~Jessi Gold, MD, MS This episode is sponsored, in part, by Cornbread Hemp. They produced the first-ever USDA-certified organic CBD and THC gummies in America. Save 30% on your first order using code "Inside30." To learn more -- or read the transcript -- please visit the official episode page. Our guest, Jessi Gold, MD, MS, is the Chief Wellness Officer of the University of Tennessee System and an associate professor in the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Tennessee Health Science Center. This inaugural leadership position encompasses all five University of Tennessee campuses, UT Knoxville, UT Chattanooga, UT Southern, UT Martin, and UT Health Science Center, and includes up about 59,000 students and 19,0000 faculty and staff. In her clinical practice, she sees healthcare workers, trainees, and young adults in college. Dr. Gold is also a fierce mental health advocate and highly sought-after expert in the media on everything from burnout to celebrity self-disclosure. She has written widely for the popular press, including for The New York Times, The Atlantic, InStyle, Slate, and Self. Her first book, “HOW DO YOU FEEL? One Doctor's Search for Humanity in Medicine” is out available now from Simon Element. A graduate of the University of Pennsylvania with a degree in anthropology), the Yale School of Medicine, and the Stanford University Department of Psychiatry, she spends her free time traveling with her friends, watching live music (especially Taylor Swift) or mindless television, and on walks with her dog, Winnie. Find her on X, Instagram, TikTok, or Threads @DrJessiGold. Our host, Gabe Howard, is an award-winning writer and speaker who lives with bipolar disorder. He is the author of the popular book, "Mental Illness is an Asshole and other Observations," available from Amazon; signed copies are also available directly from the author. Gabe makes his home in the suburbs of Columbus, Ohio. He lives with his supportive wife, Kendall, and a Miniature Schnauzer dog that he never wanted, but now can't imagine life without. To book Gabe for your next event or learn more about him, please visit gabehoward.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Doctors are not okay. Nearly half of physicians in the United States experienced burnout in 2023, leading to absenteeism, reduced productivity, turnover, and many leaving the profession altogether. In this episode, we discuss the clinician burnout and mental health crises with two expert guests: Dr. Jessie Gold, the first chief wellness officer for the University of Tennessee System and author of "How Do You Feel? One Doctor's Search for Humanity in Medicine," and Dr. Aparna Atluru, co-founder and chief medical officer of Marvin, a company that provides specialized mental health care for healthcare workers.We cover:
Join Dr. Jennifer Reid as she interviews psychiatrist and writer, Jessi Gold, MD, MS, author of the recently released HOW DO YOU FEEL: One Doctor's Search for Humanity in Medicine.Together, they reflect on the weight of early decisions and the value of stepping back to question assumptions about what a medical career "should" look like. With gentle wisdom drawn from their own experiences, they explore practical ways to maintain perspective during the demanding years of training, as well as how to cope with burnout and the stress of a life in health care.This essential conversation challenges the stigma around provider mental health and offers hope through vulnerability. Whether you're a medical professional, trainee, or someone interested in the human side of healthcare, this episode provides a rare glimpse into the minds of those we trust with our mental wellbeing.Dr. Reid on Instagram: @jenreidmd and LinkedInDr. Jessi Gold, MD, MS on IG: @drjessigold, also at drjessigold.comDr. Jessi Gold, MD, MS is the Chief Wellness Officer of the University of Tennessee System and an Associate Professor in the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Tennessee Health Science Center. She works clinically as an outpatient Psychiatrist at University Health Services, and writes and is a regular expert in the media on mental health. Dr. Gold has been featured in, among others, The New York Times, The Atlantic, NPR, PBS NewsHour, The Washington Post, and SELF. Her first book, HOW DO YOU FEEL? One Doctor's Search for Humanity in Medicine, was just released in October 2024 from Simon Element. Dr. Gold is a graduate of the University of Pennsylvania with a B.A. and M.S in Anthropology, the Yale School of Medicine, and Stanford University Department of Psychiatry, where she served as Chief Resident.Also check out Dr. Reid's regular contributions to Psychology Today: Think Like a ShrinkSeeking a mental health provider? Try Psychology TodayNational Suicide Prevention Lifeline: 1-800-273-8255Dial 988 for mental health crisis supportSAMHSA's National Helpline - 1-800-662-HELP (4357)-a free, confidential, 24/7, 365-day-a-year treatment referral and information service (in English and Spanish) for individuals and families facing mental and/or substance use disorders.Disclaimer:The views expressed on this podcast reflect those of the host and guests, and are not associated with any organization or academic site. The information and other content provided on this podcast or in any linked materials, are not intended and should not be construed as medical advice, nor is the information a substitute for professional medical expertise or treatment. All content, including text, graphics, images and information, contained on or available through this website is for general information purposes only.If you or any other person has a medical concern, you should consult with your health care provider or seek other professional medical treatment. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something that have read on this website, blog or in any linked materials. If you think you may have a medical emergency, call your doctor or emergency services (911) immediately. You can also access the National Suicide Help Line at 1-800-273-8255 or call 988 for mental health emergencies.Thanks for checking out A Mind of Her Own! This post and all of the podcast episodes are public so feel free to share them! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit amindofherown.substack.com
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The perfect recipe for burnout is to work in a caring profession, be a slave to perfectionism, and neglect your needs. As clinicians, we realize that we work in a flawed healthcare system in the US, but how do we exist in this environment to do good work and sustain ourselves from a holistic perspective that goes way beyond basic self-care? We are diving into this topic with today's guest. Join us!Our Featured GuestDr. Jessi GoldDr. Jessi Gold is the first Chief Wellness Officer for the University of Tennessee System, which comprises five campuses and more than 60,000 students. Also serving as an associate professor of psychiatry, Dr. Gold is a speaker, media advocate, author, and mental health consultant. She recently wrote How Do You Feel? One Doctor's Search for the Humanity in Medicine. In today's session, Jessi shares her experience in teetering on the edge of burnout and what she learned about herself. Dr. Jessi GoldYou'll Learn:The basics of Dr. Jessi's role with the University of Tennessee and what it means to be a Chief Wellness OfficerThe differences and barriers from campus to campus in a university system“Silo-breaking” as it relates to mental healthThe difficulty in caring for ourselves while caring for othersPerfectionism, burnout, and why “it's OK not to be OK”The pandemic's part in training us to wear a “badge of honor” for not caring for ourselves and our mental healthWe are human—and we forget that very often.The event that was the impetus for Dr. Jessi's book—and why it left her feeling horribleSigns of early burnout that Dr. Jessi only noticed in hindsightMaking the shift to navigate perfectionist tendencies to prevent burnoutThe importance of having self-compassion and reframing the mean things we say to ourselvesThe value of timeout for MEResources:Interested in becoming part of our affiliate program? Learn more!Want to launch your online course?Please check out our free 7-Day Course Creator Starter Kit for Therapists at https://sellingthecouch.com/coursekit.If you are a seasoned therapist who wants to move from clinical to online course income, we have a specific mastermind for you. We meet together to build, grow, and scale our online courses. You can learn more at https://sellingthecouch.com/mastermind.Mentioned in this episode:Need Community Support? Join the MastermindIf you are a seasoned therapist, and you are wanting to move from clinical to online course income, we actually have a specific mastermind for therapists who are doing this. We meet together to build and grow and scale our online courses. You can learn more about that mastermind over at https://sellingthecouch.com/mastermind.Try Alma!Building and managing the practice you want can be challenging. That's why Alma offers tools and resources to help you build not just any practice, but your private practice. They'll help you navigate insurance, access referrals that are the right fit for you, and efficiently manage administrative tasks — so you can spend less time on the details, and more time delivering great care. You support your...
For Dr. Jessi Gold, everything was absolutely fine—until it suddenly wasn't. As practicing psychiatrist and assistant professor, Dr. Gold was used to being constantly busy. Dr. Gold's always-on, never say no approach to caregiving led to extreme burnout and led her to seek treatment for her own mental health. Now, Dr. Gold is out with a brand new book, “How Do You Feel?” that is part memoir, part mental health manual, designed to stave off burnout, overwhelm and guide people in caregiving roles to protect their mental health. We explore burnout versus full-blown depression, the signs of impending burnout, when DIY self-care at home is the right move, and when it's time to seek professional treatment. Plus, we uncover the high costs of perfectionism and the pursuit of gold stars, and get into strategies for caring for yourself while caregiving for others. SHOW NOTES + TRANSCRIPT acertainagepod.com FOLLOW A CERTAIN AGE: Instagram Facebook LinkedIn GET INBOX INSPO: Sign up for our newsletter AGE BOLDLY We share new episodes, giveaways, links we love, and midlife resources Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Evidence of a mental health crisis is everywhere — from the recent surgeon general advisory about social media's effects on our youth to the pandemic's documented impact on medical professionals. To whom does a college student turn for help so far from home? And who cares for the mental health of those caring for us? Enter Dr. Jessi Gold, a psychiatrist and the University of Tennessee's first chief wellness officer, who aims to change the way student mental health is addressed on campus. She favors an open, flexible approach to helping students find the kind of help that's right for them. Off campus, Dr. Gold has been conducting research into the overlooked mental health needs of our medical professionals. On this episode of The Dose podcast, host Joel Bervell talks with Dr. Gold about the systemic changes needed to support mental wellness across our college campuses and the entire ecosystem of medical professionals.
In this episode of the Girl Doc Survival Guide podcast, Dr. Jessi Gold, a board-certified psychiatrist and Chief Wellness Officer at the University of Tennessee, discusses the critical issue of mental health among healthcare professionals. Dr. Gold delves into the stigmas that prevent doctors from seeking help for burnout, depression, and anxiety. She shares her personal journey with mental health, including overcoming internalized stigma around psychiatric medication. Dr. Gold offers practical advice on setting boundaries, recognizing early signs of burnout, and finding support systems. She also talks about her new role at the University of Tennessee, aiming to improve wellness through both systemic and preventive approaches. The conversation emphasizes the need for cultural change in medicine to support the mental health of doctors.00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome00:46 Understanding Physician Mental Health01:11 The Stigma Around Doctors Seeking Help03:11 Personal Experiences with Mental Health04:24 Overcoming Internalized Stigma07:37 Self-Care Practices and Burnout Prevention11:16 Setting Boundaries and Emotional Capacity14:46 Advocating for Systemic Change17:08 Role of Medical Education in Mental Health20:38 New Role and Future Plans25:27 Final Thoughts and Book Promotionhttps://www.drjessigold.com/ Dr. Jessi Gold is a board-certified psychiatrist and Associate Professor and Chief Wellness Officer in the Department of The University of Tennessee. She specializes in the mental health of healthcare professionals, focusing on the high rates of burnout, depression, and anxiety they face. Dr. Jessi Gold is dedicated to destigmatizing mental health issues in the medical community, with a focus on promoting open conversations about burnout, depression, and anxiety among healthcare professionals. She's passionate about creating systemic change within hospitals and healthcare organizations to make mental health resources more accessible. Dr. Gold frequently advocates for early intervention, self-care strategies, and peer support systems, aiming to shift the culture of medicine to one that prioritizes physician well-being as a critical component of quality patient care.
“I really want to change the culture and the way we treat and value ourselves in the equation. I truly believe our stories have the power to change culture,” says Dr. Jessi Gold, reflecting on her book, “How Do You Feel? One Doctor's Search for Humanity in Medicine.” In this episode, she joins Dr. Z to talk about the mental health struggles facing healthcare professionals, especially the high rates of burnout and the stigma attached to seeking help. Dr. Gold sheds light on how medicine's culture often equates overwork with competence, which is a mindset that has only worsened during the COVID-19 pandemic. What will happen when we start recognizing burnout for what it truly is? Dr. Gold stresses the importance of open conversations about mental health and the need to break the silence that keeps so many healthcare providers from getting the support they deserve. Dr. Gold shares practical tips for managing mental health, like building strong support systems and practicing self-compassion. But more than that, Dr. Gold also stresses the need for a cultural shift—one where the well-being of healthcare providers is just as valued as the care they offer patients. What would medicine look like if we made that shift? Dr. Gold and Dr. Z's hope is that by confronting these systemic challenges, real, lasting change will take root within the medical community. Quotes “This is such a needed book, and it applies to everyone, not just people in the medical field. I think people assume that if you're in medicine, you don't experience anxiety, depression, or other struggles. But what I always tell people is that just because you're an oncologist doesn't mean you can't get cancer, and just because you're a dentist doesn't mean you can't get cavities.” (02:40 | Dr. Z) “I really want to change the culture and the way we treat and value ourselves in the equation. I truly believe our stories have the power to change culture... Stories can start conversations, and conversations can change systems. They just can. And there are a lot of systems at play here that do need changing.” (03:58 | Dr. Jessi Gold) “You want the people treating you to be healthy. You want them to not have foggy brains… And it's not just about physicians, nurses, or mental health providers. It's also about us as patients. We need people who are on the ball, right? So, it's such a systemic issue; it's not just the providers.” (08:17 | Dr. Z) “Burnout is an independent risk factor for suicidal thoughts. It's not just part of a constellation of symptoms, but rather a stepping stone—a stepping stone to depression, a stepping stone to suicidal thoughts, a stepping stone to substance use, and even things like car accidents. We tend to manage burnout like it's just, ‘Oh, the workplace did that to you, and work was hard,' but it's so much more than that. It's pervasive, and it really affects people's lives.” (17:52 | Dr. Jessi Gold) “Meaning and purpose are protective against burnout. It sounds super woo-woo and strange, like, ‘Yeah, what's meaning and what's purpose?' But really, it just means you chose to do this for a reason. It's easy to lose that in the context of systems and things that are interfering with what you're doing. How do you ground yourself in that? Sometimes, it's just about reminding yourself in some way.” (23:13 | Dr. Jessi Gold) Links Connect with Dr. Jessi Gold: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/How-Do-You-Feel/Jessi-Gold/9781982199777 Website: https://www.drjessigold.com/ https://www.instagram.com/drjessigold/ https://www.tiktok.com/@drjessigold?lang=en https://www.drjaimezuckerman.com/ https://www.zgrouptherapy.com/ https://www.instagram.com/dr.z_psychologist/ https://www.tiktok.com/@dr.z_psychologist Get my FREE breathing exercise here: http://www.drjaimezuckerman.com/newsletter Register for my virtual workshops here: http://www.drjaimezuckerman.com/workshops Order my workbooks! http://www.drjaimezuckerman.com/books Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm
How Do You Feel? is the title of Dr. Jessi Gold's new memoir about her life as a psychiatrist dealing with her own mental health and the health of other medical providers during the first wave of the covid pandemic. The answer to the question the title poses would be, “Not very good at all.” Dr. Gold profiles composites of several patients in the medical profession who felt the need to be perfect, to be superhuman, to not let anything get to them, only to find that everyone has limits and vulnerabilities, including Jessi herself. Thank you to all our listeners who support the show as monthly members of Maximum Fun.Check out our I'm Glad You're Here and Depresh Mode merchandise at the brand new merch website MaxFunStore.com!Hey, remember, you're part of Depresh Mode and we want to hear what you want to hear about. What guests and issues would you like to have covered in a future episode? Write us at depreshmode@maximumfun.org.Help is available right away.The National Suicide Prevention Lifeline: 988 or 1-800-273-8255, 1-800-273-TALKCrisis Text Line: Text HOME to 741741.International suicide hotline numbers available here: https://www.opencounseling.com/suicide-hotlines
Dr. Jessi Gold, a psychiatrist and Chief Wellness Officer, discusses the importance of addressing mental health in healthcare professionals and the pre-med culture. She shares her personal journey of experiencing burnout and the need for self-care. Jessi emphasizes the need for healthcare workers to acknowledge and express their emotions, as well as the importance of creating space for self-reflection and setting boundaries. Jessi also shares her journey of writing a book, which aims to provide relatable stories and information about mental health. The conversation concludes with a discussion about Taylor Swift and the impact of her music (because OBVIOUSLY we had to!)BUY HER BOOK: https://www.drjessigold.com/how-do-you-feel-book-by-jessi-gold-md/Connect with Jessi:https://www.instagram.com/drjessigold/https://www.tiktok.com/@drjessigoldConnect with me on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joanchanmd
This week, the Curious Clinicians meet Dr. Jessi Gold to talk about an important, and often undiscussed question in medicine: "How Do You Feel?" Dr. Gold's new book, out 10/8, covers the mental and physical costs of caring for others as a medical professional. More information about her book can be found here. Regular episodes will return with our final pre-100th episode reboot on 10/16 and a special live episode on 10/30! Thank you for listening.
I first met Dr. Jessi Gold at Selena Gomez's Rare Beauty Mental Health Summit on World Mental Health Day May 2024 in NYC. At this event, the US surgeon general, Dr. Vivek Murthy, Selena Gomez and Dr. Jessi Gold talked about the importance of the mind-body connection in mental health and the role that community plays in mental wellness. Dr. Jessi Gold, MD, is a medical doctor and psychiatrist who holds the esteemed position of the first Chief Wellness Officer for the University of Tennessee System, a role encompassing 59,000 students. Dr. Gold spoke about the challenges that college students and graduate students face. On this episode of “The Vault”, we discussed how students are at risk for high functioning depression and ways to cope. Her new book is geared towards decreasing mental health stigma and encouraging open dialogue about emotional and psychological well-being. College Mental Health High Functioning Depression in Students High Functioning Depression in Healthcare Workers. Medical Student Mental Health. The importance of validating emotions in mental health. How to cope with depression and anxiety. Humanity in Medicine.Follow Dr. Jessi Gold Dr. Jessi Gold https://www.instagram.com/drjessigold/ Dr. Jessi Gold Website https://www.drjessigold.com/ How Do You Feel Book https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/How-Do-You-Feel/Jessi-Gold/9781982199777Follow Dr. Judith:Instagram: https://instagram.com/drjudithjoseph TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@drjudithjoseph Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/drjudithjoseph Website: https://www.drjudithjoseph.com/Sign up for my newsletter here: https://www.drjudithjoseph.com/newsletter-sign-upDisclaimer: You may want to consider your individual mental health needs with a licensed medical professional. This page is not medical advice.
We sit down with Dr. Jessi Gold, a psychiatrist and Chief Wellness Officer for the University of Tennessee system. We dive into the challenges of managing wellness for over 80,000 students and faculty across five campuses, the complexities of test anxiety in medical education, and the evolving definition of burnout in healthcare. Dr. Gold also shares insights on the impact of perfectionism and competition in pre-med culture, and how these pressures contribute to long-term stress and burnout. Tune in for an in-depth conversation on mental health, wellness, and the steps healthcare systems can take to support students and professionals. Takeaways: Test anxiety is a major issue for medical students, often leading to physical symptoms such as nausea and sleeplessness, and it persists throughout their training. Burnout is a widespread problem in healthcare and higher education, but it's often misunderstood and used as a catch-all term for workplace stress. The role of a Chief Wellness Officer involves addressing both mental health and overall well-being across multiple domains, such as emotional, physical, and financial health. Perfectionism and competition begin early in pre-med culture and are significant contributors to stress, leading to burnout later in medical training and practice. Removing high-stakes test scores, like with the shift to pass/fail systems, can create new forms of competition, such as requiring more research or extracurricular achievements to stand out. — Want to Learn About Dr. Jessi Gold: X / Instagram / TikTok / Threads: @drjessigold — To Get Tickets to Wife & Death: You can visit Glaucomflecken.com/live We want to hear YOUR stories (and medical puns)! Shoot us an email and say hi! knockknockhi@human-content.com Can't get enough of us? Shucks. You can support the show on Patreon for early episode access, exclusive bonus shows, livestream hangouts, and much more! – http://www.patreon.com/glaucomflecken Also, be sure to check out the newsletter: https://glaucomflecken.com/glauc-to-me/ If you are interested in buying a book from one of our guests, check them all out here: https://www.amazon.com/shop/dr.glaucomflecken If you like the scrubs I'm wearing, here's a link and discount code to get some Jaanuu Scrubs link: https://bit.ly/4cAvXbs code: DRG20 for 20% off first-time purchases* *This code works on full-price items only excluding embroidery! If you want more information on models I use: Anatomy Warehouse provides for the best, crafting custom anatomical products, medical simulation kits and presentation models that create a lasting educational impact. For more information go to Anatomy Warehouse DOT com. Link: Anatomy Warehouse Plus for 15% off use code: Glaucomflecken15 -- A friendly reminder from the G's and Tarsus: If you want to learn more about Demodex Blepharitis, making an appointment with your eye doctor for an eyelid exam can help you know for sure. Visit http://www.EyelidCheck.com for more information. Today's episode is brought to you by the Nuance Dragon Ambient Experience (DAX). It's like having a virtual Jonathan in your pocket. If you would like to learn more about DAX Copilot check out http://nuance.com/discoverDAX and ask your provider for the DAX Copilot experience. Produced by Human Content Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Do you struggle with burnout, waver in self-acceptance? Would you like to get into the head of a mental health clinician? And for professionals, how much of yourself do you bring into session? Dr Jessi Gold is a psychiatrist and author who is here to share her story in treating healthcare professionals, and her journey through addressing her own mental health needs. Her book "How Do You Feel: One Doctor's Search for Humanity in Medicine," is a look into the trends of modern medicine, Personalism vs Professionalism, and how being yourself can moderate burnout and help others. You can order a signed copy of her book at: https://www.novelmemphis.com/pre-order-signed-copy-how-do-you-feel-jessi-gold Our Charity of focus this month is Mentla Health Awareness Creative Arts Gallery, in Hudson NY, where they provide free Art Education and those with Psychological Illness to showcase their healing through Art. Follow their work at www.stigmafree.art. If you join the Patreon this month and half your donation will go to them each month.
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Send us a textHALF of all healthcare workers are Burned Out. But most of us typically power through without recognizing the classic signs. How can you tell when you're going through burnout? And more importantly, what is it about the culture of medicine and healthcare that increases our risk of experiencing burnout? To help us sort through these issues and RECOGNIZE signs of burnout, we talk with Dr. Jessi Gold, Psychiatrist and Chief Wellness Officer of the University of Tennessee Health System. She is the author of a memoir called How Do You Feel? One Doctor's Search for Humanity in Medicine. This book highlights her experience taking care of healthcare workers during the pandemic, and emphasizes the *emotional toll that it is involved when we're taking care of others*. ** What are the signs of burnout?** Why is it so hard to recognize burnout?** How can we start to notice when we are going down the path of burnout?Dr. Jessi Gold is an Associate Professor of Psychiatry at UT Health Science Center. Dr. Gold is not only a psychiatrist, but she is a mental health advocate and fantastic writer whose work has appeared in the New York Times, The Atlantic, InStyle, Slate, and Self. https://www.drjessigold.com/Her new memoir is called How Do You Feel? One Doctor's Search for Humanity in Medicine available on Amazon athttps://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1982199776?tag=simonsayscomCheck out our website PsychEd4Peds.com for more resources.Follow us on Instagram @psyched4peds
For most of her life, therapist and mental health expert Dr Jessi Gold loved to be around people. Her social calendar was always full. She says she always needed to do something, with someone. But a funny thing happened in the years since enforced social isolation during the pandemic. Dr Gold says she's now content being home and alone. She says she's gone from being an extrovert to an introvert and she's seeing the same trend among friends, patients and talking to other mental health experts. Dr Jessi Gold shares insights as a reformed social butterfly learning to find balance.
If you're enjoying this interview click this link to join Dr. Ramsey's weekly newsletter and to download free resources: https://drewramseymd.com/free-resources/ In the mental health epidemic we face as humans, we all need to find ways to prioritize self care and mental fitness. This week we sit down with psychiatrist Dr. Jessi Gold for a conversation covering the intricacies of mental health and how you can take small steps to optimizing your own. She shares her story of getting into the field of psychiatry: struggling in college and getting inspired to make an impact on the world. She discusses the importance of being there for our loved ones, that oftentimes there's pain hiding behind the "I'm Fine's" and we have a responsibility as friends to go deeper. She speaks openly about SSRIs, taking the pressure off of self care, and how we can create a mental fitness revolution from the inside out. ==== 0:00 Intro 3:30 Getting Interested in College Mental Health 6:28 Going Deeper than “I'm Fine” 8:48 Asking the Right Questions 15:23 Writing “How Do You Feel” & Facing the Mental Health Epidemic 22:27 Self Care & Choosing Yourself 29:37 Disclosing SSRI Usage 35:25 The Mental Fitness Revolution 42:14 Mental Health Role Models 46:40 Being the Daughter of Mark Gold, MD 53:13 Conclusion ==== Dr. Jessi Gold is the inaugural Chief Wellness Officer for the University of Tennessee (UT) System and an associate professor of psychiatry at the University of Tennessee Health Science Center (UTHSC). Dr. Gold works clinically as an outpatient psychiatrist and focuses her work on students, faculty, and healthcare workers. She has spoken at major national and international meetings across diverse settings, from academic institutions to hospital systems to the entertainment industry. She has written research and academic publications in JAMA, the American Journal of Psychiatry, and elsewhere and has been identified by Becker's Hospital Review as one of the ‘Top 14 Chief Wellness Officers to Get to Know | 2024′. She may be best known, however, for her general audience original publications that teach about mental health topics and decrease stigma that can be found in, among others, the Washington Post, New York Times, Forbes, SELF, and InStyle, as well as her expert media appearances in print, television, radio, and podcasts, and her large social media presence. She is also working on a book. HOW DO YOU FEEL?: One Doctor's Search for Humanity in Medicine, with Simon Element due in October 2024. Dr. Gold is a graduate of the University of Pennsylvania, where she earned a B.A. and M.S. in Anthropology, in addition to being a Benjamin Franklin Scholar and Phi Beta Kappa. She also completed her medical degree at the Yale School of Medicine and her residency training in Adult Psychiatry at Stanford University, where she served as chief resident from 2017-2018. She has received numerous awards and accolades for her contributions in mental health and psychiatry, including the Dean's Impact Award for her work during the COVID-19 pandemic in her previous hospital system, Washington University in St Louis School of Medicine. Website: https://www.drjessigold.com/ Book: https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1982199776?tag=simonsayscom ==== Connect with Dr. Drew Ramsey: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drewramseymd/ Website: https://drewramseymd.com
Interviewer: Lisa Meeks Interviewees John Ruddell Jennifer Ruddell Roja (friend of Jack Ruddell) Dr. Stuart Slavin Dr. Christine Moutier Dr. Srijan Sen Dr. David Muller Dr. Justin Bullock Dr. Jessi Gold Narrator Dr. Joseph Murray Transcript Keywords: Mental health, Medical training, Stress, Well-being, Jack Ruddell, Depression, Suicidality, Financial counseling, Career counseling, Transferable skills, Medical errors, Medical culture, Opt-Out, Trust, Vulnerability, Open Discussions, Sharing Stories Description In this episode, we address the urgent issue of suicidality in medical training, reflecting on the personal and systemic challenges that contribute to this crisis. Building on episodes 102, 103, and 104, we continue to explore the deep impact of these challenges. We begin by examining the need to address both individual and systemic factors, emphasizing the importance of cultural shifts within medical environments and advocating for meaningful systems change. As the episode concludes, our experts highlight actionable steps medical schools can take to better support mental health, including fostering open dialogue, ensuring accessible resources, and creating a culture of vulnerability. In memory of Dr. Jack Rudell, we close with a piece of his music—a poignant reminder of the personal nature of this issue and the critical need to keep every trainee's light shining. Description of Series DWDI Special Series: Suicidality in Medical Training dives into the critical conversations around mental health, well-being, support systems, and the intense pressures faced during medical training. Through the power of storytelling, the series intertwines these broader themes with the deeply personal story of Dr. Jack Ruddell, a promising medical student who tragically died by suicide. Jack's journey—his strengths, struggles, and the complexities leading to his untimely death—forms the emotional core of this five-part series, giving voice to the loved ones often excluded from these conversations. Alongside Jack's story, the series incorporates expert insights and data from the literature, offering a human perspective on burnout, depression, and suicide among medical trainees. With a commitment to improving mental health awareness and reducing the stigma around seeking help, the series presents a novel approach by centering personal narratives alongside expert analysis. It also explores actionable strategies for improving medical training environments and highlights the importance of institutional responses after a loss by suicide. Our mission is to reduce shame, encourage help-seeking among medical students struggling with depression, and ensure that every medical school is aware of the postvention resources offered by the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention (AFSP). Experts for the Series Christine Moutier, MD – Chief Medical Officer, American Foundation for Suicide Prevention Jessi Gold, MD – Chief Wellness Officer, University of Tennessee System; Author of How Do You Feel? David Muller, MD – Director, Institute for Equity and Justice in Health Sciences Education; Dean Emeritus, Icahn School of Medicine at Mt. Sinai; Author of the NEJM essay, Kathryn Srijan Sen, MD, PhD – Director, Eisenberg Family Depression Center; PI of the Intern Health Study Justin Bullock, MD, MPH – Fellow, University of Washington; Author of the NEJM article, Suicide, Rewriting My Story Stuart Slavin, MD, MEd – Vice President for Well-Being, ACGME Episode Release Schedule: September 17: Episode 102 – Honoring Dr. Jack Ruddell: A Story of Joy, Compassion, and Mental Health in Medical Training. September 17: Episode 103 – Suicide and Suicidality in Medical Training: Understanding the Crisis and its Causes. September 24: Episode 104 – Silent Struggles: Mental Health and Medical Education. September 26: Episode 105 – Repairing the System: How Do We Create Safe Environments? September 30: Episode 106 – Responding to Loss: Postvention and Support After a Suicide. Executive Producers: Lisa Meeks Rylee Betchkal John Ruddell Jennifer Ruddell Sound production: Jacob Feeman Mark Koha Next Day Podcast Consult Psychiatrist Joseph Murray, MD Resources: 24/7 Suicide & Crisis Hotline Call or text 988 or chat 988lifeline.org. The American Foundation for Suicide Prevention https://afsp.org Intern Health Study https://www.internhealthstudy.org https://www.srijan-sen-lab.com/intern-health-study How are you? By Jessi Gold https://www.drjessigold.com/how-do-you-feel-book-by-jessi-gold-md/ Make the Difference: Preventing Medical Trainee Suicide https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=I9GRxF9qEBA&feature=youtu.be Time to Talk About It: Physician Depression and Suicide” Video/Discussion Session for Interns, Residents, and Fellows https://www.mededportal.org/doi/10.15766/mep_2374-8265.10508 Action Collaborative on Clinician Well-Being and Resilience National Academy of Medicine https://nam.edu/action-collaborative-on-clinician-well-being-and-resilience-network-organizations/ References: Hogan, W. B., Del Re, A. M., & Daniels, A. H. (2021). A Voice, Singing: Reflections on Losing a Colleague to Suicide. Rhode Island Medical Journal, 104(6), 68-69. Knaak, S., Mantler, E., & Szeto, A. (2017, March). Mental illness-related stigma in healthcare: Barriers to access and care and evidence-based solutions. In Healthcare management forum (Vol. 30, No. 2, pp. 111-116). Sage CA: Los Angeles, CA: SAGE Publications. Malone, T. L., Zhao, Z., Liu, T. Y., Song, P. X., Sen, S., & Scott, L. J. (2021). Prediction of suicidal ideation risk in a prospective cohort study of medical interns. PLoS One, 16(12), e0260620. Meeks, L. M., Cleary, J., Horwitz, A., Pereira-Lima, K., Zhao, Z., Fang, Y., & Sen, S. (2022). Analysis of depressive symptoms and perceived impairment among physicians across intern year. JAMA Network Open, 5(1), e2144919-e2144919. Slavin, S. J., & Chibnall, J. T. (2016). Finding the why, changing the how: improving the mental health of medical students, residents, and physicians. Academic Medicine, 91(9), 1194-1196. Tandon MD, H. K., Kratochvil, M. D., Taylor, J., Keiser, M. S., LIMHP, K. L., Kent BS, N. J., ... & Gold, J. P. (2024). UNMC Quick Checks: An “Opt-Out” Model for Health Profession Student Appointments with Mental Health Counseling Services. Innovations in Health Sciences Education Journal, 2(1), 2.
Nearly half of healthcare workers are at a breaking point, describing that they often or very often feel burnt out on the job. Most of us have heard the phrase “Put on your oxygen mask before helping others,” but rarely does that happen especially for those who work as caregivers. Psychiatrist Dr. Jessi Gold knows this firsthand when her mental overload caused her to make an unthinkable mistake with a patient. This error forced her to step back and reassess her relationship with the healthcare industry as a whole. On this week's episode of Well, Now Maya and Kavita speak with Dr. Gold about her latest book How Do You Feel?, and how by looking at the healthcare system through the eyes of her caregiver patients, she began to see the shared struggle many healthcare workers have to find the humanity in their work again. If you liked this episode, check out: How Nick Cannon Got Celebrities to Open Up About Their Mental Health Well, Now is hosted by registered dietitian nutritionist Maya Feller and Dr. Kavita Patel. Podcast production by Vic Whitley-Berry with editorial oversight by Alicia Montgomery. Send your comments and recommendations on what to cover to wellnow@slate.com Want to listen to Well, Now uninterrupted? Subscribe to Slate Plus to immediately unlock ad-free listening to Well, Now and all your other favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe now on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Or, visit slate.com/wellplus to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Content Warning: This content addresses mental health issues, including research and narratives on suicide. Please take care while engaging with it and only proceed if you feel safe doing so. If you, or someone you love, is having thoughts of suicide, please contact 988. Help is available. Episode 104: Silent Struggles – Mental Health and Medical Education Interviewer Lisa Meeks Interviewees John Ruddell Jennifer Ruddell Roja (friend of Jack Ruddell) Dr. David Muller Dr. Justin Bullock Dr. Jessi Gold Narrator Dr. Joseph Murray Transcript Keywords: Mental health, Medical training, Stress, Well-being, Competitive environments, Performance, Self-care, High-stakes exams, Residency match, Learners with disabilities, Jack Ruddell, Depression, Suicidality, Dr. Jessi Gold, Dr. Justin Bullock, Dr. David Muller, Imposter syndrome, Research, Publications, Fitness for duty, COVID pandemic, Identity, Physician identity, Self-harm, Vulnerability, Stigma, USMLE Step 1, Dr. Catherine Lapidus, Docs with Disabilities Description In this deeply impactful third episode of our series on mental health and suicide in medical training, we delve into the unique pressures and challenges that medical students face including high stakes exams, aggressions in training, lack of safety, and fear of help seeking. This episode is a continuation of our exploration into how the demanding environment of medical education can contribute to mental health struggles, including depression and suicidality. Description of Series DWDI Special Series: Suicidality in Medical Training dives into the critical conversations around mental health, well-being, support systems, and the intense pressures faced during medical training. Through the power of storytelling, the series intertwines these broader themes with the deeply personal story of Dr. Jack Ruddell, a promising medical student who tragically died by suicide. Jack's journey—his strengths, struggles, and the complexities leading to his untimely death—forms the emotional core of this five-part series, giving voice to the loved ones often excluded from these conversations. Alongside Jack's story, the series incorporates expert insights and data from the literature, offering a human perspective on burnout, depression, and suicide among medical trainees. With a commitment to improving mental health awareness and reducing the stigma around seeking help, the series presents a novel approach by centering personal narratives alongside expert analysis. It also explores actionable strategies for improving medical training environments and highlights the importance of institutional responses after a loss by suicide. Our mission is to reduce shame, encourage help-seeking among medical students struggling with depression, and ensure that every medical school is aware of the postvention resources offered by the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention (AFSP). Experts for the Series Christine Moutier, MD – Chief Medical Officer, American Foundation for Suicide Prevention Jessi Gold, MD – Chief Wellness Officer, University of Tennessee System; Author of How Do You Feel? David Muller, MD – Director, Institute for Equity and Justice in Health Sciences Education; Dean Emeritus, Icahn School of Medicine at Mt. Sinai; Author of the NEJM essay, Kathryn Srijan Sen, MD, PhD – Director, Eisenberg Family Depression Center; PI of the Intern Health Study Justin Bullock, MD, MPH – Fellow, University of Washington; Author of the NEJM article, Suicide, Rewriting My Story Stuart Slavin, MD, MEd – Vice President for Well-Being, ACGME Episode Release Schedule: September 17: Episode 102 – Honoring Dr. Jack Ruddell: A Story of Joy, Compassion, and Mental Health in Medical Training. September 17: Episode 103 – Suicide and Suicidality in Medical Training: Understanding the Crisis and its Causes. September 24: Episode 104 – Silent Struggles: Mental Health and Medical Education. September 26: Episode 105 – Repairing the System: How Do We Create Safe Environments? September 30: Episode 106 – Responding to Loss: Postvention and Support After a Suicide. Executive Producers: Lisa Meeks Rylee Betchkal John Ruddell Jennifer Ruddell Sound production: Jacob Feeman Next Day Podcast Consult Psychiatrist Joseph Murray, MD Resources: 24/7 Suicide & Crisis Hotline Call or text 988 or chat 988lifeline.org. The American Foundation for Suicide Prevention https://afsp.org Intern Health Study https://www.internhealthstudy.org https://www.srijan-sen-lab.com/intern-health-study How are you? 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Depression and anxiety among medical students: a brief overview. Advances in Medical Education and Practice, 393-398. Rotenstein, L. S., Ramos, M. A., Torre, M., Segal, J. B., Peluso, M. J., Guille, C., ... & Mata, D. A. (2016). Prevalence of depression, depressive symptoms, and suicidal ideation among medical students: a systematic review and meta-analysis. Jama, 316(21), 2214-2236.
Nearly half of healthcare workers are at a breaking point, describing that they often or very often feel burnt out on the job. Most of us have heard the phrase “Put on your oxygen mask before helping others,” but rarely does that happen especially for those who work as caregivers. Psychiatrist Dr. Jessi Gold knows this firsthand when her mental overload caused her to make an unthinkable mistake with a patient. This error forced her to step back and reassess her relationship with the healthcare industry as a whole. On this week's episode of Well, Now Maya and Kavita speak with Dr. Gold about her latest book How Do You Feel?, and how by looking at the healthcare system through the eyes of her caregiver patients, she began to see the shared struggle many healthcare workers have to find the humanity in their work again. If you liked this episode, check out: How Nick Cannon Got Celebrities to Open Up About Their Mental Health Well, Now is hosted by registered dietitian nutritionist Maya Feller and Dr. Kavita Patel. Podcast production by Vic Whitley-Berry with editorial oversight by Alicia Montgomery. Send your comments and recommendations on what to cover to wellnow@slate.com Want to listen to Well, Now uninterrupted? Subscribe to Slate Plus to immediately unlock ad-free listening to Well, Now and all your other favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe now on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Or, visit slate.com/wellplus to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Nearly half of healthcare workers are at a breaking point, describing that they often or very often feel burnt out on the job. Most of us have heard the phrase “Put on your oxygen mask before helping others,” but rarely does that happen especially for those who work as caregivers. Psychiatrist Dr. Jessi Gold knows this firsthand when her mental overload caused her to make an unthinkable mistake with a patient. This error forced her to step back and reassess her relationship with the healthcare industry as a whole. On this week's episode of Well, Now Maya and Kavita speak with Dr. Gold about her latest book How Do You Feel?, and how by looking at the healthcare system through the eyes of her caregiver patients, she began to see the shared struggle many healthcare workers have to find the humanity in their work again. If you liked this episode, check out: How Nick Cannon Got Celebrities to Open Up About Their Mental Health Well, Now is hosted by registered dietitian nutritionist Maya Feller and Dr. Kavita Patel. Podcast production by Vic Whitley-Berry with editorial oversight by Alicia Montgomery. Send your comments and recommendations on what to cover to wellnow@slate.com Want to listen to Well, Now uninterrupted? Subscribe to Slate Plus to immediately unlock ad-free listening to Well, Now and all your other favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe now on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Or, visit slate.com/wellplus to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Nearly half of healthcare workers are at a breaking point, describing that they often or very often feel burnt out on the job. Most of us have heard the phrase “Put on your oxygen mask before helping others,” but rarely does that happen especially for those who work as caregivers. Psychiatrist Dr. Jessi Gold knows this firsthand when her mental overload caused her to make an unthinkable mistake with a patient. This error forced her to step back and reassess her relationship with the healthcare industry as a whole. On this week's episode of Well, Now Maya and Kavita speak with Dr. Gold about her latest book How Do You Feel?, and how by looking at the healthcare system through the eyes of her caregiver patients, she began to see the shared struggle many healthcare workers have to find the humanity in their work again. If you liked this episode, check out: How Nick Cannon Got Celebrities to Open Up About Their Mental Health Well, Now is hosted by registered dietitian nutritionist Maya Feller and Dr. Kavita Patel. Podcast production by Vic Whitley-Berry with editorial oversight by Alicia Montgomery. Send your comments and recommendations on what to cover to wellnow@slate.com Want to listen to Well, Now uninterrupted? Subscribe to Slate Plus to immediately unlock ad-free listening to Well, Now and all your other favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe now on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Or, visit slate.com/wellplus to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Nearly half of healthcare workers are at a breaking point, describing that they often or very often feel burnt out on the job. Most of us have heard the phrase “Put on your oxygen mask before helping others,” but rarely does that happen especially for those who work as caregivers. Psychiatrist Dr. Jessi Gold knows this firsthand when her mental overload caused her to make an unthinkable mistake with a patient. This error forced her to step back and reassess her relationship with the healthcare industry as a whole. On this week's episode of Well, Now Maya and Kavita speak with Dr. Gold about her latest book How Do You Feel?, and how by looking at the healthcare system through the eyes of her caregiver patients, she began to see the shared struggle many healthcare workers have to find the humanity in their work again. If you liked this episode, check out: How Nick Cannon Got Celebrities to Open Up About Their Mental Health Well, Now is hosted by registered dietitian nutritionist Maya Feller and Dr. Kavita Patel. Podcast production by Vic Whitley-Berry with editorial oversight by Alicia Montgomery. Send your comments and recommendations on what to cover to wellnow@slate.com Want to listen to Well, Now uninterrupted? Subscribe to Slate Plus to immediately unlock ad-free listening to Well, Now and all your other favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe now on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Or, visit slate.com/wellplus to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Nearly half of healthcare workers are at a breaking point, describing that they often or very often feel burnt out on the job. Most of us have heard the phrase “Put on your oxygen mask before helping others,” but rarely does that happen especially for those who work as caregivers. Psychiatrist Dr. Jessi Gold knows this firsthand when her mental overload caused her to make an unthinkable mistake with a patient. This error forced her to step back and reassess her relationship with the healthcare industry as a whole. On this week's episode of Well, Now Maya and Kavita speak with Dr. Gold about her latest book How Do You Feel?, and how by looking at the healthcare system through the eyes of her caregiver patients, she began to see the shared struggle many healthcare workers have to find the humanity in their work again. If you liked this episode, check out: How Nick Cannon Got Celebrities to Open Up About Their Mental Health Well, Now is hosted by registered dietitian nutritionist Maya Feller and Dr. Kavita Patel. Podcast production by Vic Whitley-Berry with editorial oversight by Alicia Montgomery. Send your comments and recommendations on what to cover to wellnow@slate.com Want to listen to Well, Now uninterrupted? Subscribe to Slate Plus to immediately unlock ad-free listening to Well, Now and all your other favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe now on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Or, visit slate.com/wellplus to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Nearly half of healthcare workers are at a breaking point, describing that they often or very often feel burnt out on the job. Most of us have heard the phrase “Put on your oxygen mask before helping others,” but rarely does that happen especially for those who work as caregivers. Psychiatrist Dr. Jessi Gold knows this firsthand when her mental overload caused her to make an unthinkable mistake with a patient. This error forced her to step back and reassess her relationship with the healthcare industry as a whole. On this week's episode of Well, Now Maya and Kavita speak with Dr. Gold about her latest book How Do You Feel?, and how by looking at the healthcare system through the eyes of her caregiver patients, she began to see the shared struggle many healthcare workers have to find the humanity in their work again. If you liked this episode, check out: How Nick Cannon Got Celebrities to Open Up About Their Mental Health Well, Now is hosted by registered dietitian nutritionist Maya Feller and Dr. Kavita Patel. Podcast production by Vic Whitley-Berry with editorial oversight by Alicia Montgomery. Send your comments and recommendations on what to cover to wellnow@slate.com Want to listen to Well, Now uninterrupted? Subscribe to Slate Plus to immediately unlock ad-free listening to Well, Now and all your other favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe now on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Or, visit slate.com/wellplus to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
In this week's episode of Promising Young Surgeon, we delve into one of the most critical and sensitive topics in the medical field: physician suicide. Despite the prestige and rewards of a medical career, the pressures and challenges can lead to devastating outcomes. To help us understand this issue and explore ways to best support our colleagues, Dr. Jessi Gold joins us. Jessi is the Chief Wellness Officer of the University of Tennessee System and an associate professor in the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Tennessee Health Science Center. Jessi shares her insights on the alarming statistics surrounding physician suicide, the contributing factors, and the importance of addressing both system-level and cultural issues in healthcare. She also discusses her personal journey and the significance of mental health advocacy, highlighting the need for open conversations and supportive environments within the medical community. 00:00 – Cold Open05:34 – Introduction to Dr. Jessi Gold08:50 – Key Factors to Suicide Rates29:50 – How Can We Fight Increasing Suicide Rates?41:15 – Warning Signs in Colleagues48:28 – “How Do You Feel” Book01:09:02 – Where to Find Dr. Jessi GoldResources:How Do You Feelhttps://www.simonandschuster.com/books/How-Do-You-Feel/Jessi-Gold/9781982199777 Literature:https://afsp.org/suicide-prevention-for-healthcare-professionals/#facts-about-mental-health-and-suicidehttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165178122000555https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/386/bmj-2023-078964.full.pdfhttps://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/suicide-surgeons-heavy-toll-high-stakes-career-2024a10009qn?form=fpf Interact with the podcast! Email me at pys@heyinfluent.com to ask questions. We would love to hear from the Promising Young Surgeon audience.Promising Young Surgeon is sponsored by Pattern. Discover why more than 20,000 doctors trust Pattern to shop for disability insurance. Request free quotes in 5 minutes. Compare policies with an expert. Buy with confidence. LINK: https://www.patternlife.com/promising-young-surgeon?campid=349433Subscribe, tune in, and join the conversation as Dr. Hardin and her guests tackle the pressing issues facing today's medical professionals and ponder how to nurture a more compassionate and sustainable healthcare environment. Connect with Frances Mei:https://linktr.ee/francesmei.md https://rethinkingresidency.com/about/Find More info on this series and other podcasts on the Influent Network at HeyInfluent.comFollow the Influent Network on Social Media:LinkedIn | Twitter (X) | YouTube | TikTok | Instagram | Facebook The Influent Network is where emerging healthcare professionals and esteemed medical experts converge. Our platform is a straightforward resource for career development, financial planning, practice management, and investment insights, designed to foster strong professional connections. Powered by Hurrdat MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
In today's episode of Psych Talk I chat with Dr. Jessi Gold, MD, psychiatrist, writer, and mental health advocate. Dr. Jessi specializes in burnout, as well as working with college students and healthcare workers. In this episode, we discuss what burnout is, Dr. Jessi's personal experiences with burnout, as well as signs and symptoms of burnout. Dr. Jessi shares why healthcare workers are at increased risk of burnout and common consequences of burnout in healthcare workers. We discuss the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on burnout, as well as Dr. Jessi's upcoming book How Do You Feel? Connect with Dr. Jessi: Website: www.drjessigold.com Instagram: @drjessigold X: @drjessigold Threads: @drjessigold TikTok: @drjessigold Book: How Do You Feel? Connect with Me: Follow me on IG @jessicaleighphd Follow the podcast on IG @psych.talk.podcast Follow me on TikTok @jessicaleighphd Follow me on Youtube Follow me on Threads @jessicaleighphd Welcome to Group Therapy Podcast Join my Facebook community: Grow Through What You Go Through Ways to Work With Me: Mind Over Matter LGBTQ+ Affirming Masterclass Be a guest on my podcast Resources: Anti-Racism Resources LGBTQ+ Affirming Resources The Helping Professional's Guide to Boundary Setting Intro/Outro Music Life of Riley by Kevin MacLeod Music License
Elevate your primary care management of anxiety. Become confident in counseling patients about a new anxiety diagnosis, 2nd and 3rd line medications, augmentation for anxiety treatment, and options for non-pharmacological anxiety treatment. We are joined by psychiatrist and mental health expert Dr. Jessi Gold, @drjessigold (University of Tennessee Health and Science Center; drjessigold.com). Claim CME for this episode at curbsiders.vcuhealth.org! Patreon | Episodes | Subscribe | Spotify | YouTube | Newsletter | Contact | Swag! | CME Show Segments Intro Case from Kashlak Diagnosing anxiety Explaining anxiety to patients Non-pharmacological management of anxiety Pharmacological management of anxiety 2nd and 3rd line treatments Cannabis and anxiety Outro Credits Writer, Producer, Show Notes, Infographic, Cover Art: Edison Jyang Hosts: Matthew Watto MD, FACP; Paul Williams MD, FACP Reviewer: Sai Achi MD, MBA Showrunners: Matthew Watto MD, FACP; Paul Williams MD, FACP Technical Production: PodPaste Guest: Jessi Gold MD Sponsor: Locumstory Tune in to The Locumstory Podcast on Spotify, Apple, or Google podcasts. Sponsor: Freed You can try Freed for free right now by going to freed.ai. And listeners of Curbsiders can use code CURB50 for $50 off their first month. Sponsor: Allbirds Visit Allbirds.com and use code CURB for a free pair of socks with a purchase of $48 or more.
The numbers are daunting. 60% of college students meet the criteria for a mental health disorder. 44% report depression symptoms, 37% for anxiety, and 15% in a recent survey were considering suicide. Dr. Jessi Gold, Chief Wellness Officer for the University of Tennessee System, says these bleak figures come at a time when there is more awareness and openness about mental health than ever before, especially among young people. So is this particular mental health crisis getting worse or is it getting better? Or are we just now becoming aware of how bad it's been all along? And what can be done?Thank you to all our listeners who support the show as monthly members of Maximum Fun.Check out our I'm Glad You're Here and Depresh Mode merchandise at the brand new merch website MaxFunStore.com!Hey, remember, you're part of Depresh Mode and we want to hear what you want to hear about. What guests and issues would you like to have covered in a future episode? Write us at depreshmode@maximumfun.org.Help is available right away.The National Suicide Prevention Lifeline: 988 or 1-800-273-8255, 1-800-273-TALKCrisis Text Line: Text HOME to 741741.International suicide hotline numbers available here: https://www.opencounseling.com/suicide-hotlinesThe Depresh Mode newsletter is available twice a week. Subscribe for free and stay up to date on the show and mental health issues. https://johnmoe.substack.com/John's acclaimed memoir, The Hilarious World of Depression, is now available in paperback. https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250209566/thehilariousworldofdepressionFind the show on X @depreshpod and Instagram @depreshpod.John is on X @johnmoe.
In crowds, at meetings, get-togethers with friends, everyday interactions: social anxiety can show up as an unwelcome guest at any time. But why? Psychologist Fallon Goodman digs into the source of social anxiety, setting the record straight about this common condition with practical solutions to help you feel the most authentically "you" while out and about. After we revisit this talk, mental health specialist Dr. Jessi Gold joins Shoshana in a sweeping conversation on social media's impact on social anxiety and how we can best support ourselves and others.
Originally Aired Dec 22, 2020Bill Barr says there will be no special counsel for the 2020 election and he will not order voting machines seized; details of the new COVID relief package; a lawyer from Trump's Justice Department speaks out, Congress restores Medicaid benefits for Pacific Islanders; Trump is weighing immunity for Mohammed bin Salman in the assassination of a dissident and the death of Jamal Khashoggi; Biden gets the COVID vaccine; the oversight committee wants to re-issue its investigation and subpoena for Mazars in the 117th Congress; plus AG and Dana deliver your Good News.Follow our guests on Twitter:Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) Former Federal Prosecutor https://www.youtube.com/@Its.Complicated/Jessi Gold MD MS (@drjessigold) Psychiatrist, Director of Wellness, Engagement, and Outreach Washington University How We Win The House 2024!https://swingleft.org/fundraise/howwewin2024Want some sweet Daily Beans Merchhttps://shop.dailybeanspod.com/products/fani-t-willis-teeSubscribe to Lawyers, Guns, And MoneyAd-free premium feed: https://lawyersgunsandmoney.supercast.comSubscribe for free everywhere else:https://lawyersgunsandmoney.simplecast.com/episodes/1-miami-1985Check out other MSW Media podcastshttps://mswmedia.com/shows/Follow AG and Dana on Social MediaDr. Allison Gill Follow Mueller, She Wrote on Posthttps://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrotehttps://twitter.com/dailybeanspodhttps://www.tiktok.com/@muellershewrotehttps://instagram.com/muellershewroteDana Goldberghttps://twitter.com/DGComedyhttps://www.instagram.com/dgcomedyhttps://www.facebook.com/dgcomedyhttps://danagoldberg.comHave some good news; a confession; or a correction?Good News & Confessions - The Daily Beans Listener Survey:http://survey.podtrac.com/start-survey.aspx?pubid=BffJOlI7qQcF&ver=shortFollow the Podcast on Apple:The Daily Beans on Apple PodcastsWant to support the show and get it ad-free and early?Supercast https://dailybeans.supercast.com/OrPatreon https://patreon.com/thedailybeansOr subscribe on Apple Podcasts The Daily Beans on Apple Podcasts
Dr. Jessi Gold, Assistant Professor and the Director of Wellness, Engagement, and Outreach in the Department of Psychiatry at Washington University in St. Louis School of Medicine, joins the Quadcast to discuss campus-wide mental wellbeing. As a clinician who sees students, faculty and administrators, she has a unique perspective into the mental wellbeing of all campus stakeholders and how those populations interact with one another.
Higher education is facing a mental health crisis. Yale settled a lawsuit following the death of a student by suicide in 2021 and will allow students flexibility to take lighter course loads and keep their healthcare while on medical leave. Geoff Bennett discussed more with Dr. Jessi Gold for our reporting on Early Warnings: America's Youth Mental Health Crisis and our series, Rethinking College. PBS NewsHour is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders
Welcome back to Analyze Scripts, where a psychiatrist and a therapist analyze what Hollywood gets right and wrong about mental health. Today, we are joined by Dr. Jessi Gold to analyze season two of "Yellowjackets." In this episode we discuss cults, schizophrenia, catatonia and the ghastly depiction of ECT. We see many different depictions of trauma responses in this season, some from psychological stressors and others from their worsening physical state. Were you as shocked as we were to learn the mouse is actually dead? Was that a hallucination due to starvation or psychological trauma, the answer is probably both. "Yellowjackets" keeps us guessing and cringing through all nine episodes this season, but we are ready for a break and hope the actors are practicing some self care! We hope you enjoy! Instagram Tik Tok Website [00:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: Hi, I'm Dr. Katrina Fury, a psychiatrist. [00:12] Portia Pendleton: And I'm Portia Pendleton, a licensed clinical social worker. [00:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: And this is Analyze Scripts, a podcast where two shrinks analyze the depiction of mental health in movies and TV shows. [00:23] Portia Pendleton: Our hope is that you learn some legit info about mental health while feeling like you're chatting with your girlfriends. [00:28] Dr. Katrina Furey: There is so much misinformation out there, and it drives us nuts. [00:31] Portia Pendleton: And if someday we pay off our student loans or land a sponsorship, like. [00:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: With a lay flat airline or a major beauty brand, even better. [00:39] Portia Pendleton: So sit back, relax, grab some popcorn. [00:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: And your DSM Five and enjoy. Back to another episode of Analyze scripts. We are so excited to once again be joined by Dr. Jesse Gold today to talk about the second season of Showtime's hit show Yellow Jackets. Thanks so much for coming back, Jesse. [01:12] Dr. Jessi Gold: Thanks for having me. [01:13] Dr. Katrina Furey: I do have to say, this show is really messed up. I feel like season one was a lot, and then we sort of watched it really quick to record our first episode and then watch season two really quick. And I was like, I had to take some breaks, I'll be honest, along the way, because it got really intense really fast. [01:34] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. [01:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: Maybe like a two out of ten on a scale of one to ten. So not like fully this season. [01:43] Dr. Jessi Gold: I think it was like last season, they were like, this is a show about cannibals, but you never saw it. [01:50] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? [01:50] Dr. Jessi Gold: This season was like, remember when you're walking? [01:54] Dr. Katrina Furey: Here it is. Yeah, here it is. [01:58] Dr. Jessi Gold: They danced around it in a way that was like, fine last season. And this season they were like, all. [02:04] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right, here you go. [02:06] Dr. Jessi Gold: And there are definitely parts where you're like, yeah, I can't watch it. [02:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes, I know. I told Portia when we were watching it, I stopped right around when Shauna was about to deliver the baby because I was so scared they were going to eat the baby. I was like, I can't watch that. And I think you actually had to tell me. They don't I looked up the spoiler. [02:28] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, they post on their TikTok, right? Like, the cast being like, we do not eat the baby. You can watch it, I guess, trigger non warning. And I was like, we do a. [02:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: Lot of things, but that's where we draw the line. Gosh. So, I mean, I think we have to get started since this was really early in the first episode, ECT and the depiction of ECT. Right. Like, you probably felt as good about that as I did, which is not very good. [02:57] Dr. Jessi Gold: It is the first time I was disappointed. [03:00] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, right. [03:02] Dr. Jessi Gold: Last season, I was really excited about all of their mental health portrayals, and I thought they were really thoughtful, and their trauma portrayals were really thoughtful. So I was super excited for this season, despite yes, I'm not, like, a creepy show person, so it's not like surprising that that wouldn't be my genre of choice, but I really liked it for a lot of the reasons I was talking about health wise. And so watching that and seeing that so early on, I was like, oh no, taking such a wrong, unnecessary turn. And yeah, I think inherently if you came back from something catatonic possible, you got ECT, right? [03:43] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [03:44] Dr. Jessi Gold: The actual treatment of choice for being like catatonic, I think who has schizophrenia or some version of a psychotic right, comes back catatonic. It seems we have like a tiny, tiny, tiny glimpse in that. [03:57] Dr. Katrina Furey: I was going to ask you. I thought it was catatonia as well. Porsche, are you familiar with catatonia as much? How would you describe catatonia, Jesse, to someone who doesn't know what that word means, they're different forms. [04:09] Dr. Jessi Gold: Some people have hyperactive, completely not moving. [04:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: Speaking kind of like Lottie, like Lottie. [04:17] Dr. Jessi Gold: Looks like she had it can be a reaction to a lot of things, like medication, like psychosis, like some medical issues inside, internally, like a medical issue. I haven't seen it a ton of times, but I have seen it sometimes it amazingly responds to just like an act. [04:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: Have you ever seen that? Because that is amazing. So portia. Sometimes when you're catatonic, these people are usually brought to the Er and people are either like they're not moving or eating or they're going to the bathroom on themselves. They literally can't move from here to five inches away, or they're like they're being really bizarre and bouncing off the walls and making weird noises and just such a drastic change in behavior really acutely quickly, like for an unknown reason. And then eventually catatonia gets on the differential and you think, let's give them a little Addivan. And so you'll give them like a push of ivy. Addivan, wait a couple only like 2 hours and a lot of times they start to wake up. Then you give them another one if it's working. And that's one of the coolest things in psychiatry is you can see it work so fast. I feel like in mental health that's so rare. Maybe like Add and Stimulants, you see work really quick. But this is so drastic. Like, I remember one woman in the ICU, wasn't eating for days, couldn't move, had something called waxy flexibility where if you put their arm up, it stays. They never bring it down. Or you can position them in an odd position, they stay there. That's part of catatonia. That's one of the telltale diagnostic signs. We give her the Adavan, a couple of hours later she's eating. It's wild. Anyway, so I do think lottie was catatonic. I think that's what they were going for. And even if they weren't, they did. [06:02] Dr. Jessi Gold: A good job in an offshoot. But I do think that as far as things you see in psychiatry, it's interesting, but I have heard from the perspective of a patient who was catatonic, that they understood everything that was going on but couldn't speak or function. And wow, sometimes when people were learning from them because they had certain symptoms, like there's this thing called echolalia where they eat everything that you're saying that they knew. They saw that and didn't like that but couldn't say anything. So after that, I've been hesitant sometimes to actually teach some of it, even though it's rare and interesting. And again, one of the few things you see really get better, which is really nice. But I would assume, who knows how long she wasn't speaking and functioning in the wilderness. [06:56] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know now she's trapped like that. Can you imagine? [06:59] Dr. Jessi Gold: And I would assume her parents were already thought she was dead, but on top of it, we're like, oh, gosh, she's been off meds for like two years. No, I think ECP is a treatment of choice for catatonia. ECT is a very successful medication or. [07:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: Like, treatment super successful, which is unfortunate. [07:21] Dr. Jessi Gold: Psychiatry because everyone flew over the cuz nest, really. And I think that book and that movie and that portrayal have really continued so much that even, like, generationally people who have absolutely never read the book. [07:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: Or true know about it. [07:41] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. [07:41] Dr. Jessi Gold: In that movie, I don't know if parents told them or what, because, you know, they didn't see some old school Jack Nickson movie. [07:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [07:49] Dr. Jessi Gold: There's something where you mentioned ECT to people and their faces so concerned and they think it's the worst thing you can possibly tell them, but it's by far one of our most successful treatments, especially in situations like this. But in acute suspitality in pregnancy. [08:06] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [08:06] Dr. Jessi Gold: Postpartum psychosis wouldn't imagine it's as good as it is. And that stigma that exists for a very long time, very much created by the media, to be honest, really has made it hard for us to sell it as a treatment, despite how successful it is. And so for this show, which is new, to bring it back into the fold. And bring it back into the fold. So almost like quickly flashes, but the flashes you get look really and it's not the ECP. Even in the what would that have been like the 90s, right? [08:43] Dr. Katrina Furey: Exactly. It wouldn't have been like that. [08:47] Dr. Jessi Gold: Some of the things from what blew over the cuckoo sense is like, the technology was older, anesthesia wasn't as good. There's things where you can tell that things have evolved for sure since then. But even in the 90s, it didn't look like what they're showing. What they're showing looks like probably the equivalent of the fact that they still go clear with paddles in medical shows. Like these little pads that are stick. [09:12] Dr. Katrina Furey: On and so dramatic and heavy going to hurt you. [09:17] Dr. Jessi Gold: I know that Er doctors think that's ridiculous because they have most of them never even saw it ever done like that. I feel like what they show for ECT is like that version the OG when ECT was discovered version. [09:34] Dr. Katrina Furey: Also when they say seize, that's not what actually happens. [09:40] Dr. Jessi Gold: The purpose is to induce a seizure in your brain. But it's like so minor and the only way you really even know there's. [09:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: A seizure is like your toe brain. [09:50] Dr. Jessi Gold: Activity or your tone. You would never see someone actually seize. If you did. [09:56] Dr. Katrina Furey: We probably messed up, right. [09:59] Dr. Jessi Gold: Only they test where to go based on just if your finger moves when they get there, they know where different parts of your brain are and they're. [10:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: Targeting a specific part. Right. You're never like lashing or thrashing around, rolling over like Lottie did. And it's also very rare these days to do bilateral ECT on both sides of the head. Usually you start with unilateral and it's been so long since I did or saw ECT, I can't even remember which side you usually start with. But that's also not super common to do bilateral. Sometimes you have to right. [10:34] Dr. Jessi Gold: Then when one's not working as well, you add the other or you try the other and then you do bilateral. [10:39] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Oh, really? Like Barbaric bike guard, right? [10:43] Dr. Jessi Gold: Like a bike guard. She has an aggressive actual seizure. As a viewer, you actually don't know what is going on because they don't say the name. They don't going on anyway. So all you see is like this barbaric looking psychiatric treatment. And don't get me wrong, we have screwed up over and over. We were doing treatment wise. But again, so did a lot of medicine that felt like bloodletting was a way to free spirits of stuff. Right. So we're not the only specialty who tried very dangerous things on people. [11:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [11:15] Dr. Jessi Gold: We have a reputation for that and I think that has continued. NPT has basically been this, I don't know, representation of that in modern psychiatry. [11:26] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [11:26] Dr. Jessi Gold: Though it is so effective and I don't know, I wish there was more context to that. Even though I know it was sort of like intentionally vague. But I wish there was more context to it. I wish it was more thoughtful. [11:39] Dr. Katrina Furey: I wish it was more updated and more accurate. [11:42] Dr. Jessi Gold: It was more accurate. And with Lottie they have a lot of potential to talk about humane treatment. [11:50] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know. And we see such bad mental health treatment with Lottie this whole season and that's like the only mental health treatment we see. [12:00] Dr. Jessi Gold: Yeah, I mean, I think I worry not to get too far ahead that next season too, that she's going to. [12:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: Be inpatient, it's going to be awful. Let's show some good treatment that's struggling. [12:12] Dr. Jessi Gold: Like this, you can go back to. [12:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: Functioning and doing your work and your. [12:16] Dr. Jessi Gold: Life, but this is maybe what you need. Sometimes this is impatient can look like and they have the opportunity to demystify destigmatize. [12:26] Dr. Katrina Furey: It's just so far from what I saw in my training in what actual ECT is, which can be so quite literally life saving for so many patients. And it's just such a shame to have such yet another negative depiction of such a life saving treatment and of schizophrenia. [12:47] Portia Pendleton: I mean, she's going to go inpatient one of the most interesting things in my graduate program was we had this I don't know, because you guys both interfaced with Yale. She was a lawyer, like down in New Haven, and she's an author and she has schizophrenia. [13:02] Dr. Jessi Gold: It's called the center cannot hold with Elon Sack. [13:05] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes. [13:05] Portia Pendleton: So she does a lot of talks about her experience with hallucinating, being on medication, not being on medication, how powerful medication is, and how you can really lead a wildly productive I mean, she went to law school. She's a very well known fighter and person lawyer. And that was just, I think, really helping too. I mean, the whole point is to destigmatize schizophrenia. So then we see Lottie here not doing a good job of that. And then we were just talking about future season predictions with maybe her being on inpatient unit and probably not looking so good. [13:43] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. I do think as much as I was disappointed with the depiction of ECT, I do think this season had some good moments that I thought very, I guess, helpfully displayed the difference between hallucinations dissociation and like a dissociative fugue state. Right. I feel like those things are challenging to wrap your head around, challenging to educate people about, and then I would imagine even more challenging depicting in an accurate way. So when we say hallucination, what we mean by that is when someone is seeing, hearing, feeling, tasting, or smelling something that isn't actually there in reality, so what other people around them aren't experiencing. The most common hallucinations are auditory and visual. So things that you see or hear, although other senses can be affected too. When we say dissociation, what we mean by that is it's psychologically when there's a separation of some aspects of cognitive mental functioning from your conscious awareness. So it's often a response to trauma. And it's like your mind's way of trying to protect yourself and disconnect from an extreme psychological distress. And then kind of even further than that is what we call a dissociative fugue state, which is another rare occurrence. I did see a couple of these in the Er in my training, and that's a temporary state where a person has amnesia for their personal autobiographical information and then travels to an unexpected place, kind of out of nowhere. So these people kind of show up in your Er, don't know who they are, don't know where they are, don't know why they're there. And it takes a while to figure out what exactly is going on. And you don't often jump to like, oh, it's a fugue state. You might think like, oh my God, is there something medical going on? And things like that. But sometimes these patients do end up creating a whole new identity so I thought this show did demonstrate these different aspects of psychological functioning in response to trauma in a really amazing way. I was thinking of Shauna and Jackie, like those hallucinations early on, lottie and her psychiatrist, which we'll get into, I'm sure, in a minute. With the Dissociating, we see that a lot. With Ty, we see that with Shauna kind of forgetting or dissociating about her baby being stillborn. And then the fugue we see with Ty sleepwalking all the way to Ohio and hitchhiking to see Van. So I don't know, what did you guys think about those different depictions? [16:20] Portia Pendleton: I mean, the Dissociation one where Shauna is seeing Jackie, I feel like feels really to me like the most common potentially experience someone might have with, like, a loss, even. [16:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: You mean dissociating or hallucinating? [16:34] Portia Pendleton: Dissociating. [16:34] Dr. Katrina Furey: So this is a great example of how confusing these different conditions can be. Right. Because so Jackie was dead by that point, but she's talking to her. She's seeing her Jackie's moving around. So I would call that, I guess, maybe a little both. [16:48] Portia Pendleton: Okay. [16:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: But definitely visual auditory hallucinations that aren't actually happening. [16:53] Portia Pendleton: I mean, I'm just thinking of like I guess no one's really typical, but like a typical trauma patient who has dissociative features, usually I think, then just seeing them. Right. Like, you say you're like, outside your body or maybe you're in another place, but you're not seeing another person who then you would say isn't there. [17:12] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. So I think of dissociation as like, having gaps in your memory for the traumatic event, forgetting certain things about it. Sometimes they do describe sort of like hovering above and sort of witnessing it rather than experiencing it. I think what you might be describing is, like, maybe someone who's even something not as severe as trauma, like grief, and you're walking around and you think you see the person, and then you realize, oh, no, that's not really them. [17:39] Dr. Jessi Gold: These are so specific and very hard to know the difference. And they're all sort of in this spectrum of psychological responses that can feel like psychosis, but also are trauma. [17:51] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, exactly. There's a big overlap. [17:53] Dr. Jessi Gold: All of them were interestingly done. I think it's different people's responses to extreme stress, if you want to call it that, on sort of like the Wispy scale. Just a ton of trauma. I don't know how most people would react. And on top of it, also, they're starving. [18:11] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes. [18:12] Portia Pendleton: Right. I was interested in the medical. [18:14] Dr. Jessi Gold: That part is also complicated. If they're, like, are they hallucinating? Are they struggling because they act Harding. [18:21] Dr. Katrina Furey: And their brain is not functioning well? [18:23] Portia Pendleton: Yes. The mouse, it's like you can convince. [18:26] Dr. Jessi Gold: Yourself that that's real because you can't tell the difference. Or the coach very actively hallucinating, but they're sort of like vivid dreams that happen to be while he's awake because he's not really fully functioning, because he's not eating right. I think there's a lot of blurring. And I also think that they use that to the advantage of the show writing, to put in the mysticism. They don't know. They're all sort of broken from reality in some capacity, some more than others for other reasons. But what is real and what is not is confusing. And I think that's also confusing for viewers and purpose. [19:05] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, right. And I wonder, like you're saying, if that how much of that was purposeful. Because as we're seeing them all cope with and respond to trauma and try to survive, they're also telling the story through a lot of flashbacks and flash forwards. And so you kind of are also off kilter, which might just kind of be like in parallel to what you could imagine the characters are experiencing. [19:27] Portia Pendleton: I was thinking about just like I work with a lot of eating disorder patients, right? How important eating and nourishment is glucose, obviously, this is a pretty extreme example, but our brains need nutrition so badly. [19:44] Dr. Katrina Furey: To perform well, to function. [19:46] Portia Pendleton: And even, you know, if you're not starving in the wilderness with no food for weeks, living on soup made with mushrooms, I mean, you can tell. And that's where body disturbance comes in. People have a really hard time judging their body and comparing it and really do believe that they're in a larger body or a smaller body, et cetera. But I just thought what? Just like a little fun fact of how much we need food and how it can really change our experience with reality. [20:12] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, 100%. And also how some of the dissociation can be protective. Right. When you're trying to survive in the winter in the woods with no idea if anyone's going to find you, it's probably protective to survival, to be disconnected to some degree. Right. Otherwise, like, God, what do you do? [20:33] Portia Pendleton: Right? The mouse seemed really important to her and just like a little creature. Who she's talking to? I mean, I was really shocked when it was dead. [20:41] Dr. Katrina Furey: Me too. [20:42] Dr. Jessi Gold: I'm not going to lie. [20:43] Portia Pendleton: Of course it's alive. [20:45] Dr. Katrina Furey: But then creature, did you wonder if she's going to eat it? [20:48] Portia Pendleton: I think she did. [20:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: Did she eat it? [20:50] Dr. Jessi Gold: Maybe I'm thinking about the ear and was like, no. [20:56] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, I'm thinking of the ear. [20:58] Dr. Jessi Gold: I think it was hard enough to even see the mouse situation change, but I think it's I don't know. It's a cool storytelling technique to use to be like, what's real, what's not? How do you know? And I think they use the same technique. I mean, with the baby situation, guys and the fans all were worried they ate the baby. Yeah, they have her basically hallucinate that people eat the baby and you believe it for a while, thought it could be a possible outcome. The writers knew it could be what people think is a possible outcome. And so they sort of play on that. I don't know, break from every like no one knows what's real and what's not. And I think as a viewer, it allows you to sort of maybe get more in the headspace of what it would be like to be doing that. And then I also think it makes things hard to follow. And you don't always trust the narrator. So interesting from a storytelling perspective. And I also think the food thing, it's like dissociation, if you want to use that term, being connected to your body that is not functioning and hungry and not eating. I understand all of that's. Protective, consciously dissociate. I mean, people who have had trauma sometimes can consciously dissociate as they get older because they learned it as a big skill, but they might not even realize they're doing it conscious, but they still don't even realize they're doing it. And so it's like an evolved coping skill to basically say, my body is not safe where my body is. Let's take a vacation from that, right? It's hard to picture, but it's a logical and important way. [22:49] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. [22:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I think, too, this show is doing a nice job demonstrating how like you were saying, Jesse, a lot of times when you're faced with trauma, let alone a chronic trauma, that's not letting up, especially in your early years. Like when you're a teenager or even younger, you develop these coping strategies like dissociation. Not consciously or intentionally, but then how that can persist into adulthood. And we see that with Ty, I think especially how when she's under the stress in season one of Running for Office, she's unconsciously reverting back to some of these coping strategies, like eating the dirt or setting up the altar and things like that. And how we see in season two as the stress keeps escalating, now she's maybe losing her family hallucinated. Sammy, it seems like before she got into that awful car accident where Simone got hurt. Then we see the dissociative few coming. And I think, again, that's a pretty intense depiction, but also really accurate. Like, I treat a lot of patients in adulthood who have a trauma history who find themselves dissociating or and that can be as simple as when faced with some reminder of what you went through, you all kind of feel like you're losing touch with your body. Sometimes I have patients describe it as like a zoom out or something. It can be as, quote unquote mild as something like that all the way to something as severe as, like, a fuke state. And you're right, I think, with the way they're telling the story and how smart is this? You do start to doubt. Like, I found myself wondering, was Misty's friend Crystal real until she died? And so thinking about lottie in the woods, but then also as an adult with her psychiatrist, I'm curious, Jesse, what your thoughts are about that whole depiction. [24:42] Dr. Jessi Gold: Isn'T real. Yeah, again, that sort of was like, whoa. It was interesting to me because I was like, why don't you keep saying her psychiatrist is on vacation? I thought that was the weirdest addition to the conversation because it was irrelevant. I don't know. It's interesting because in a way, it's like she thinks she's asking for help and she wants to ask for help, but she's asking for help in her world, not real world, but then her help asking in the real world is like this very dangerous mysticism. [25:15] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I thought it was so, like, before I realized the psychiatrist wasn't real at first, was like, I like the psychiatrist's office. Overall, I liked it. But then the psychiatrist said something like, when Lottie is coming and basically asking for medication or to go up on her medications because the hallucinations are coming back. And again, patients with that awareness of their psychotic disorder or their bipolar disorder with psychotic features or what have you can realize that and will come and seek help. And I think that's amazing when that happens. I was so disappointed when the fake psychiatrist said something to her, like, well, maybe you should listen to your hallucinations. I was like, no. And then when we realized she wasn't real, I was like, oh, Portia, I don't know. When did you catch on? [26:00] Portia Pendleton: I didn't until now. And not that she wasn't real. The last time we see the psychiatrist, she like, disappears, right, from Lottie's home, our office, whatever it was. And so I was like, oh, that was a hallucination. But I thought that that was the. [26:17] Dr. Katrina Furey: Only time she hallucinated her. But like, the other time she went, she actually went? Yes. [26:21] Portia Pendleton: And she was just getting, like, unhelpful, unhelpful help. [26:25] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, maybe. You know, oftentimes with psychosis, at least I learned in my training. And I think this tracks if I sort of, like, reflect back, it's the auditory hallucinations that are the most common. And then I remember, like, visual hallucinations are more common with, like you said, like a medical issue or like alcohol withdrawal, UTI, stuff like that. And it is more often like whispers or hearing a voice, but it might not even be that the voice is saying something that's really clear to understand, but it sounds threatening or scary or could be a command hallucination telling them to harm themselves in some way. But, yeah, the idea of a friend or this whole external person, I haven't seen as much in real life. [27:15] Portia Pendleton: Well, I wanted to bring up just your article for the Slate. So just thinking about trauma, and we mentioned this like a couple of minutes ago. I think it's so important for people to know that if you're doing something like an EMDR or an art trauma treatment, you are opening the bag up, you are recalling really specific memories. And I like how you said you have to be prepared for that. And sometimes things get worse before they get better. And thinking about the characters on the show, it's like their trauma was so chronic and pervasive. And then continues at Post Wilderness that for treatment for them even thinking of Lottie, they need to be in really. [28:00] Dr. Katrina Furey: Safe, really good care, really safe. [28:02] Portia Pendleton: And environment providers really know what they're doing, who can hold them. And just thinking of all their dissociations as really, really coping, I mean, I don't know if it's safe for them to open the trauma jar altogether. [28:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: Especially, I think we see what happens, right, how the hunt happens again near the end of the season. [28:24] Portia Pendleton: And you can see Shauna and Misty being so shocked that Ty and Van did not end up or they called off lottie getting taken at that point. And they really started in the fear that Wright comes up for Shauna and Misty again with, like, Van and Ty allowing the hunt to happen. I don't know. I mean, I think just trauma, oh, there's great trauma treatments now and everyone should work on their trauma. [28:47] Dr. Katrina Furey: Sure. [28:47] Portia Pendleton: But you have to be safe to do it. [28:50] Dr. Katrina Furey: And you do need to be with a very skilled provider who knows what they're doing and knows how to handle when dissociative features might come up or when a panic attack might come up, and help you sort of stay present and feel safe is like the most important thing. [29:05] Dr. Jessi Gold: I think it's important for people to know that if you seek out trauma therapy, you're not going to dive immediately into it too, and you don't like this fear that you're going to say, Hi, nice to meet you. Tell me about that time in the wilderness when you're like, we don't do that. [29:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? [29:20] Dr. Jessi Gold: Like, if you're trained in it, if you see the right kind of people, you get used into it. You will have those conversations. That's why you chose to have that therapy. But the purpose is not just to expose you and make you feel miserable. And so knowing that, I think, is important. [29:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: Some forms of trauma therapy now, like CPT, cognitive processing therapy without the trauma narrative, where you don't have to recall and detail the whole trauma narrative to do the therapy, how that's also been shown to be equally as effective as the version with the narrative. And I think that's really helpful for patients to hear because I think that is a big barrier to seeking it out is this fear that you're going to have to retell it and relive it over and over and over and over and that isn't always the case. [30:05] Dr. Jessi Gold: Yeah, there's a lot of fear in them telling their story, which you can tell even probably one of the better scenes is all of them as adults, kind of like talking about how messed up their lives actually are, listening to music and dancing and drinking yeah. Around the fire and it's kind of fun, but you're also like they're just like, telling each other how bad their lives are, but they don't tell anybody. Else. They don't trust anybody else. It's like a weird, sort of, like, peer support system that protected them for a long time. It has made them all really safe. [30:39] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. And the only time they could connect in that way again is when they're, like, out in the wilderness around a fire, which is so similar to the time they were stuck. [30:50] Portia Pendleton: It just feels re traumatizing. [30:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. [30:55] Portia Pendleton: And I didn't like watching it the whole last episode. I felt nervous when they started doing. [31:03] Dr. Katrina Furey: The stuff with the cards and then lottie's like, the Russian roulette with the poison, and I was just like, oh, no. But I did think it was amazing storytelling to have that going on in parallel to when they started doing that in the wilderness and how you could see again. You think of the coping skills you develop to survive in such a traumatic situation like that, and how they're sort of bubbling up again now in adulthood. [31:27] Portia Pendleton: And Natalie, is substance use certainly a coping skill? A way for her to kind of detach and then just her arc? I was sad to see spoiler alert. I had to see her go. [31:40] Dr. Jessi Gold: I'm really excited about hoping that they tell the future, too. Is this, like, sort of passing on of trauma to the next generation? [31:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes, with Callie, because there's, like, something. [31:52] Dr. Jessi Gold: Where she's known her mom is not okay for a very long time, but her mom won't talk to her about it. And you see in her mom's interview with the cops and stuff that she didn't really think she should be a mom. Not really worthy of it, not really able to do it correctly. You grow up and you know there's something there when you get older and you're able to have more of a sense of things. And they don't talk about it. The parents aren't talking about it. They disagree a lot, or they're not getting along. Well, you see that, too. And then she just wanted to be let in. She's been waiting to be let into the story her whole life. And I feel like she's been defensive and protective of her mom in ways that she wouldn't have been otherwise. But she's clearly been traumatized from the whole thing, too. I know. Even the stuff she thinks of doing for the cop and all that stuff, manipulative and whatever, but it's like, I. [32:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: Guess this is what we do, right? Yeah. Gosh. And I think a lot of people can probably relate to that, hopefully in a different way. But when you yourself have grown up with some sort of trauma or something, how and when do you share that with your kids in a way that keeps them feeling safe, but also promotes connection rather than this vibe that we don't talk about hard things? I have no idea. But this show, I think, depicts that like you're saying in a really intense way. Jesse, again, getting back to your article. What did you think about the depiction of Lottie's, what seems like a cult, and yet it didn't seem like Lottie had, like, a nefarious intent. Right. That I feel like a lot of cult leaders, there's usually a nefarious, selfish intent there. [33:36] Dr. Jessi Gold: I mean, it's a cold article for Slate on that, and part of it was because I was very curious about what the draw for people with mental illness and trauma is of colts. Yes, there's a lot of draw. The support and the understanding and that somebody listening to you. The acceptance attempt at finding a solution, which I think happens for a lot of our patients. And they turn to supplements and they turn to things that maybe feel quicker because somebody maybe gave them an answer, CBD something. And there's not a lot of great treatment or fast treatment for some of this. And it's nice to think there could be. I think there's some version of Lottie who is like her purpose in her mind is to help the wounded souls of the world without realizing that there's negative to what she's doing. And that's a lack of insight. Some of I don't know how much is purposefully hurtful as much as it is what she believes is right, but what she believes is right is unfortunately not really right. So you kind of have to say maybe her insight into right and wrong is not 100% there. [34:58] Dr. Katrina Furey: And again, why would it be, given what she went through? Right. [35:00] Dr. Jessi Gold: Yeah. I mean, given, like, that she wants to kill someone for the wilderness or give it blood. [35:07] Portia Pendleton: Right. And if she were to die, who then takes care of her? Right. Who then leads her people followers? [35:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: If she drinks the cyanide, what happens? Maybe it's Lisa. That girl. I don't know. [35:22] Portia Pendleton: I think it's definitely the lack of insight and just not I think she's ultimately that demonstrates to me selfishness because you're not thinking about all these people who you have living in this commune, taught to be here, where they're kind of surrounding you and your ideas. It's like, well, if I'm gone, you're not thinking about them. [35:41] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. No, that's a good point. I think I was comparing her this time to Keith Ranieri of the nexium cult. I don't know if you watch The Vow, but how they're again, clearly it's a cult. Right. They're not communicating with the outside world, even though they could. They all just choose not to. Right. They're all wearing purple. They're all doing sort of these woo woo things she holds onto the files. Yeah. And, like, the info. Right. So maybe there was more to it than we saw about what's she getting. [36:12] Dr. Jessi Gold: Out of it, being each other's family. [36:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: This is what works, and maybe that's enough for her. Maybe that's what she gets out of it, that community and belonging and sense of importance. [36:22] Portia Pendleton: And then it's for her, right? [36:24] Dr. Katrina Furey: For her rather than for everyone else. I did think it was interesting as we start wrapping up the way that the show and it seems like the characters maybe led by Lottie, but then they all kind of accept it to some degree, keep talking about the darkness within each of them and then the role of the wilderness or that mysticism role. And it made me think of is this how they're trying to externalize in some way these dark parts of themselves that they ended up using or relying on to survive? And I think we just sort of see that unfold as they grow into adulthood and as they all get back together and kind of redo another hunt at Lottie's psychotic urging. Quite frankly, at that point, I think she's like, fully psychotic. [37:21] Portia Pendleton: And I think it's just interesting. They all name it, though, right? [37:25] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, they all have the same name. [37:27] Portia Pendleton: Misty and Shauna all decide prehunt that they are going to go along with Lottie and her really psychotic ideas about. [37:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: One very dangerous yeah, very dangerous. [37:38] Portia Pendleton: And then I think it's so, like, why Ty and Van? [37:43] Dr. Katrina Furey: I was shocked. [37:44] Portia Pendleton: Van seems terminal. [37:46] Dr. Katrina Furey: She's a terminal illness. [37:48] Portia Pendleton: So is that her way you said before, of trying to be saved by Lottie? [37:52] Dr. Katrina Furey: Because it seems like Lottie has, like, quote unquote, saved Van in the past, or the wilderness has saved Van from all the time she should have died in the woods but didn't. And so I was stumped as to why they would call off the emergency medical personnel to take Lottie into treatment or traditional psychiatric treatment. And that was the only thing I could really come up with, was like, did Van think in some way Lottie could once again save her? I don't know. What do you think, Jesse, about all that? [38:22] Dr. Jessi Gold: I don't know. Or I feel like Van thought she would be chosen to sacrifice herself for people. I don't know. It's too obvious, too just like she would be the one to go and. [38:34] Dr. Katrina Furey: She was like, okay with it because she had a terminal illness or something. [38:38] Dr. Jessi Gold: It felt like a chicken thing that they all failed at stopping. Okay, someone's going to stop this, right? And maybe they thought Lottie would, because it's hard to see, like, in what we know about the past, we don't know how much Lottie is involved in the like, they start that game, like that game. I know people with card game. It's hard to know how much of that takes a life of its own, and it's not actually Lottie's life. And so maybe they were like, this isn't really what Lottie like, Lottie is going to be like, this is a bad idea. I don't know. And so it felt like to me, either Van was ready to self sacrifice or that they were all playing a game of chicken, that they were hoping someone would stop, and nobody did. And it felt like that as kids, a little bit too right. Someone's not going to kill Natalie. Right? And then they were like, oh, he fell in. [39:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, my God. Right. [39:43] Dr. Jessi Gold: Super traumatic and very parallel to that. [39:46] Dr. Katrina Furey: Moose, the white moose. [39:49] Portia Pendleton: Yes. [39:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: I also wondered if that was real, that white moose or hallucination. [39:54] Dr. Jessi Gold: It's hard to know that if they thought it would actually go through. It's pretty clear. Shauna didn't. [40:00] Dr. Katrina Furey: She's like, oh. [40:01] Dr. Jessi Gold: She was like, what the serious? [40:03] Dr. Katrina Furey: Are you really seriously, guys? [40:05] Dr. Jessi Gold: Yeah, this is what's going on. And turn around and I don't know. [40:12] Portia Pendleton: And Ben's refusal. We talked about him really briefly before with his hallucinations. [40:19] Dr. Katrina Furey: At first I thought that was a. [40:20] Portia Pendleton: Flash forward and he made it home. [40:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: And he was with his boyfriend and it was all beautiful. And then I was like, oh, no. The season ends with Natalie's death at Misty's hand. We didn't get into Misty and Elijah Wood, but I just loved that pairing and their little caligula dance when she was in the sensory deprivation tank. So just shout out to that. But then we also see Ben burn down the house and it's still winter. Right? Aren't you terrified for like, oh, no, what are they going to do now? You know? It's got to be worse than what we've already seen because they survive. So, yeah. I'm just very nervous about this show. [41:01] Portia Pendleton: And time wise, I feel like someone has definitely figured it out on TikTok. I want to know when season two ends. How far are they into the 19 months? [41:12] Dr. Katrina Furey: Are we only like a third of the way in? [41:14] Portia Pendleton: Is this soon? [41:15] Dr. Jessi Gold: There are things that in this very meta, writers shout out to writers on. [41:21] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [41:21] Dr. Jessi Gold: But in this very meta, very awesome way of writing, the reason we don't know what's real or not is because they don't want us to, because the people don't. And the reason they have not given us any time clues except for seasons changing, is that's all they know, too? [41:38] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, that's a great point, and I. [41:41] Dr. Katrina Furey: Appreciate that about this show. The way they're telling the story and how the way they tell the story is so mirroring, I think their own traumatic experiences, like we're talking about with the hallucinations, the dissociating, the difficulty figuring out what's reality, what's not, I think that is exactly where they all are. But I'm, like, so scared of how are they going to survive without shelter now? [42:05] Portia Pendleton: And the season we had mentioned even last time is going to be delayed. [42:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [42:11] Portia Pendleton: Season three, because of the writer strike. And I think prior we said that last time. I don't know how we knew that if the writer strike was happening, but it's going to be a while, I think, until I feel like I need. [42:23] Dr. Katrina Furey: A pause because it's so intense. [42:26] Dr. Jessi Gold: Bonus episode again, I stay off the fan theories, but the showrunner confirmed it, so they have some bonus episode for the season that like Jason Ritterson that they will give release at some point, given that their showrunners very into the strike. I think she rightfully so. [42:45] Dr. Katrina Furey: Rightfully so. [42:49] Dr. Jessi Gold: Out of respect. I also think they only got, like, one writer's room for season three or something before this strike. So, yeah, I will get a break. [42:57] Dr. Katrina Furey: But yeah, these shows and the writing is just so astounding the way that they get it, right. [43:01] Portia Pendleton: Like, so much content to talk about. I mean, we feel what they feel, right? We feel anxious, we feel joy. And I think that's just like that's because there's these amazing, talented people working on all these shows, and that's why we're talking about them. [43:13] Dr. Jessi Gold: Right. I really hope that young Shauna gets some awards. Yeah, that's one thing I've been thinking about. Another thing I've been thinking about is how hard it must be to do that role. [43:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: We talk a lot about how I hope there's a therapist on set for the actors, for everyone who is part of this. Because even acting or pretending or assuming the role has got to be traumatic in its own way, right. [43:44] Dr. Jessi Gold: I mean, it has, right? To be basically like you're living wherever he gets filmed in Canada. I think you're taking the content in and embodying it. And some of that content is like I mean, all of that content is horrible. Right. They're all disturbing traumatized and starving or whatever. But, like, the people who have these really horrific storylines and need, like, extreme emotions, like, Shauna goes through, like, she beats the **** out of audience. Her emotions are very regulated in a way that somebody's actively experiencing trauma and years later experiencing trauma, we experience and embodying that in such a visceral way as, like, I don't know, she's in her 20s. Right, right. [44:34] Dr. Katrina Furey: Where can they pull that from? [44:35] Dr. Jessi Gold: Sitting apart, because you have your own story, your family has their own story. Whatever. You could have never gotten help for it before, and you're just doing the role and you need help later, but you just see that stuff and you're like, this is hard enough to watch. [44:51] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, definitely. [44:53] Dr. Jessi Gold: How many takes do they have to do? I don't know. I think that's just really hard. I do hope that they realize that that's okay. Right. [45:04] Dr. Katrina Furey: Well, Jesse, thank you so much for joining us once again as our Yellow Jackets correspondent in the field. We really appreciate it. Can you tell everyone where they can find you? [45:16] Dr. Jessi Gold: Sure. At Dr. Jessebold on TikTok, Twitter, Instagram, or Dr. Jessebold.com works too. [45:24] Dr. Katrina Furey: Awesome. And you can find us at Analyze Scripts on Instagram and Analyze Scripts podcasts on TikTok. And we will see you next Monday. Yeah, thank you. Bye. [45:39] Dr. Katrina Furey: This podcast and its contents are a copyright of Analyzed Scripts, all rights reserved. Any redistribution or reproduction of part or all of the contents in any form is prohibited. Unless you want to share it with. [45:52] Dr. Katrina Furey: Your friends and rate review and subscribe, that's fine. [45:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: All stories and characters discussed are fictional in nature. 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Welcome back to Analyze Scripts, where a psychiatrist and a therapist analyze what Hollywood gets right and wrong about mental health. Today, we are joined by Dr. Jessi Gold (@drjessigold) to discuss the first season of "Yellowjackets" on Showtime. We break down the show's depiction of various forms of posttraumatic stress disorder and how the characters' pre-trauma backgrounds contribute to the different symptoms they experience in adulthood. We also explore the show's depiction of adolescent, teenage girl group dynamics, and the blurriness between psychosis and mysticism. We hope you enjoy! Analyze Scripts Instagram Analyze Scripts TikTok Analyze Scripts Website Dr. Jessi Gold's Instagram Dr. Katrina Furey: Hi. Welcome back to another episode of Analyze Scripts. My name is Dr. Katrina Fury and I'm A psychiatrist. And I'm joined by my friend and co host Portia Pendleton, a licensed clinical social worker. And today we are super excited because we also have Dr. Jesse Gold joining us to discuss season one of Yellow Jackets, the hit show on Showtime. A couple of episodes of season two have already started rolling out, but we're going to focus on season one today because there's a lot to talk about before we welcome our guests. I just wanted to give a little bio. I feel very strongly about reading people's full biographies, especially women, so I'm going to read the whole thing and I love it. Jesse Gold is an assistant professor and the Director of Wellness, Engagement and Outreach in the Department of Psychiatry at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis. She's a nationally recognized expert on healthcare worker mental health and burnout, particularly during the Pandemic college mental health using social media and media for mental health advocacy and the overlap between pop culture and mental health, including celebrity self disclosure. She works clinically as an outpatient psychiatrist and sees faculty, staff, hospital employees and their dependents, particularly their college age kids. Dr. Gold also writes for the popular press and has been featured in, among others, the New York Times, the Atlantic, InStyle, the Washington Post, Time and Self. So, like, no big deal. She is on the Rare Beauty Mental Health Council and the Mental Health Storytelling Initiative and a co author of The Mental Health Media Guide, which can be found@mentalhealthmediaguide.com. Dr. Gold is a graduate of the University of Pennsylvania with a BA. And a master's in anthropology, the Yale School of Medicine, and completed her residency training in adult psychiatry at Stanford University, where she served as chief resident. Again, no big deal. Her website is Dr. Jessegold.com, and she can be found at Dr. Jessegold Drjessigold on Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. Cool. Well, thank you so much for joining us, Jesse. This is so super cool. Dr. Jessi Gold: Thanks for reading that thing. I was really hoping everybody would get to hear that also. Dr. Katrina Furey: I know, I know. If you want to tell us your favorite color or your deepest, darkest fears, we got all the time in the world. Dr. Jessi Gold: Can't wait. Dr. Katrina Furey: So speaking of deepest, darkest fears, this is probably one of mine. Plane crash in the middle of the mountains of Canada. In adolescence, I cannot imagine a more frightening, terrifying experience. And Portia here, we're learning that she likes more of, like, the light hearted things. And I really like the dark and twisty nasty things. Dr. Jessi Gold: So I was like, really worried for you. Dr. Katrina Furey: I know. Portia Pendleton: You gave me some. You were like, episode six, trigger warning this. And I was like, okay. I watched some things on. I skipped over a couple of scenes. Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. I was like, you got to watch it in the day with the lights on, hold all your pets. It's a lot, right? Portia Pendleton: It didn't help my plane anxiety, but. Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, yeah, I forgot you have plane anxiety, too. You got to take a beta blocker before you watch these. Dr. Jessi Gold: Who. Portia Pendleton: You're just fine. Dr. Jessi Gold: Oh, gee, sorry about that. It's a really interesting show in that when you try to tell people about it, one minor is just horrible. You're like, hey, it's a really great show. I swear. It's about teenagers who crashed in an airplane and may or may not become cannibals. And also they see them as adults, too. And people are like, what? And I don't like horror and really dark stuff. I like psychological thrillers. That bother me. I thought you guys said you kind of have boundaries on what it's going to show, and you can choose not to watch some of the stuff. Dr. Katrina Furey: And I think it's just such a fascinating portrayal of how one trauma affects so many people in a different way and then how you sort of simultaneously see the depiction of their back stories and their future stories and how they all weave in. And it's like at the beginning, the things you think are going to happen don't happen. Dr. Jessi Gold: Yeah. Portia Pendleton: I think Vanessa the goalie. I liked that we saw a little bit of her backstory with, like it seems like mom is an alcoholic. She was kind of like a caregiver. And then the trauma of the plane crash, and then she was left in the plane almost like, died via fire. And then comes out and is really mad at Jackie and Shauna for kind of like leaving her there. So I think even that initial, it's like she had a double trauma right at the crash scene, like the crash, and then had her friends leave her for dead. And then she survives. And then I think that she does not like Jackie. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? Yeah. So Vanessa, again, to remind everyone, because there are a lot of characters, is the redhead on the goalie team, and she's ties love interest van oh, yeah. Dr. Jessi Gold: People knowing kids. Dr. Katrina Furey: And even like you're saying there we see those traumas right back to back, but also we see her backstory of her mom and how she's kind of been left by her mom in that way. And now here she is strapped in a plane that's exploding or catching fire, and now she's kind of left again but somehow gets out. So I think maybe we'll start with a rundown of the main characters. Dr. Jessi Gold: Sure. Dr. Katrina Furey: Probably just to orient ourselves a bit. So Jackie is on the team. She's kind of like the it girl, right? Like, she's the pretty one. She's the popular one. She has the boyfriend. And I thought she was the one we saw running naked through the woods originally. Who they sacrifice or something. Something. Now I don't know. I don't know who anyone is anymore. And then Shauna, played by Melanie Linsky, is her best friendfriend. Of me, maybe unclear. She's the one who ended up having sex with her boyfriend, with Jackie's boyfriend and getting pregnant. Oh, my God. Portia Pendleton: Ends off right. She is still pregnant. Dr. Katrina Furey: She's still pregnant, yeah. At some point. The trigger warning I gave you, Portia, was she tried to have an abortion in the woods. I thought that was really heart wrenching. I can't even find a word strong enough. What do you think? What did you think about all that part? Yeah, that part. That little part. Dr. Jessi Gold: I think I get it in a lot of ways. If you don't have food and you are a kid anyway, like, what would have your choice been? A choice in the normal kind of setting, let alone setting where you're starving, everyone else is starving. You know nothing about babies or how to have a baby, and you are a baby. And I mean, I get and it's almost like you saw something on TV and that's what you do and so that's what you try to do. That's what it felt like. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Dr. Jessi Gold: This is what I thought be a thing. And it's almost like just sort of the influence of restrictions and what people learn from that. But it's heart wrenching and it also just shows how scary it must be to be in that position as a kid anyway, let alone after a flame crash in the wilderness. Dr. Katrina Furey: I know. Dr. Jessi Gold: I think it's a lot of trauma and a lot of vulnerability and it comes to ahead of it there. But I think it shows also how they support each other. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Dr. Jessi Gold: Introduce Taisa, but she's there. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right, exactly. And that dynamic between Taisa and Shauna, I feel like again, in their adolescence and now in adulthood, as they're coming back together, just thinking that they were there together through these awful, horrible things. And when Ty, like, really is showing up for her in that way, I just thought was really intense and just really interesting way to see how the characters relationships develop over time. And with Ty, like, keeping that secret for as long as she could about the pregnancy and things like that, tyisse is another main character. Yeah. Portia Pendleton: I was kind of shocked, I guess, at the end, which I don't want to just skip all over her other. Dr. Katrina Furey: Scenes, but how it really did in. Portia Pendleton: Fact impact her, like eating the dirt, her sleepwalking, her family situation, kind of like after the crash, her son, so we think is like the problem. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Portia Pendleton: Or having some reaction to his mom, clearly. And then her political run, and then all of a sudden trying to jump back into the media. And it seems like all the other characters are like, we planned and we promised that we wouldn't do this, we were going to stay kind of under the radar. And here you are doing like a Senate run. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Portia Pendleton: But I feel like I like her character a lot as a teen, I feel like she's really strong. I just saw a lot of resilience with her through everything, like trying to go out and lead them to find help, knowing that it was probably like a death sentence, but she was going to risk it before the animal attack. And then her relationship with Van is really sweet. I feel like there's some sweet moments that come out with her and her family and then with Van kind of back and forth, which is nice in kind of the whole conflict within the trauma, and it being really terrifying. Dr. Katrina Furey: I don't feel like we got a lot of her backstory. Pre crash? Portia Pendleton: I don't think so. Dr. Katrina Furey: Did we hear a lot of I don't think we really got a lot. Dr. Jessi Gold: Remember correctly, her parents were kind of supportive. They were there, they said, Bye. There wasn't anything that we saw that was particularly traumatic in a Natalie kind of way. I think some of the backstories are there to show that sometimes the resilience comes from previous history, previous trauma, or you never know what people are coming in with that's important. We can have the same trauma affect everybody, but whatever your history is, it. Dr. Katrina Furey: Might affect you differently 100%. And we see a lot of her family in the present day, like with her wife and their son. And I think touching on her sexuality with Van being a teen in the an all girls soccer team, how she was very reluctant to be open at first and then got more comfortable. I thought that was a really interesting storyline, too, and how she, again really showed up for Shauna when she really, really needed her. And, yeah, I think with her character in particular, all the snippets along the way of, like, she's running for politics, for Senate, I think state senate. And then the stuff with her son, at first I thought, like, oh, something's up with her son. And then as things unfolded, it was like, oh, she's the lady in the tree. He's not seeing. I thought, does he have some sort of early onset psychosis or is he stressed or what's? Like his full story? And then I thought the show's depiction of his evaluation with the two way mirror, that was him. Right. Was really good. I think overall, I think the two way mirrors and stuff, I don't know about. At Wash, you like, at Yale, we didn't have that, but I know at Duke, when I interviewed, they did stuff like that for family therapy, so I know they do that, and I think it was actually a pretty good depiction of that. And I always love when I see accurate and well rounded and positive depictions of therapy in the media, because so many times they are terrible. Dr. Jessi Gold: Yeah, I mean, it's sort of like you're concerned about your kid, you come together to figure it out. It's important enough to you. You can see that there's some tension about who it's more important to, which I'm sure comes out. At Stanford, when we learned outpatient, we even did it behind, and the patients knew we'd, like, come out and talk to people and go back in. It's interesting from the family side to also have the family behind and giving feedback. We're allowed because I think people tell their own stories and kids tell their own stories, and it helps to have context or see even family reactions to things when people are talking. But I think in a lot of ways, too, it wouldn't be surprising if their kid had issues and the mom was like, there's all this data even, like, let's say extreme example comes to my head. Like, Holocaust parents, like parents who survive the Holocaust. There's a lot of restriction and limits and trauma exposed to the next generation 100%. That doesn't surprise me. If you had something like that, that a kid could struggle 100%, it makes a lot of sense. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Dr. Jessi Gold: So you're kind of like, okay, I get where that's it wasn't, like, surprising that the kid could be dark and struggled 100%. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? Portia Pendleton: Yeah. Dr. Jessi Gold: Look what happened to the mom. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Dr. Jessi Gold: Of course there's something there, and, like. Dr. Katrina Furey: Actually, it still is the mom. Yeah. We had a fellow Yale psych grad, Christine Aradondo, on a couple of episodes back to talk about Encounter and, like, the very different movie from this show. Dr. Jessi Gold: But. Dr. Katrina Furey: Totally different vibe, but talking about that intergenerational trauma, like how the first trauma kind of trickles down in Generations. At first, as we were watching Taisa and her family in present day, I was thinking, is that just like, you're saying, jesse, of course he might have some stuff going on, and she's, like, running for Senate, and he comes from a home with two moms. It sounds like maybe he had switched schools. Now he's in public school. There's a lot going on. I didn't see coming that it was going to be like, Taisa doing all these things sleepwalking. But then as they connected that to what happened to her in the woods sleepwalking, and when Van and her would tie themselves together and she would bite her and all these things, I was like, oh, okay, now I see it. But it's really sad to see that kind of unraveling of her family. The moment where she asked Simone to go stay with her mom, and she was really pleading with her, like, you don't understand. I could really hurt you. That really broke my heart, but I thought was really genuine and authentic. And I don't even think she's aware of everything she's capable of. I don't think she remembers that place in the basement with the dog head and all this stuff. Right. I would say I don't often see things like that with PTSD. I feel like that's a very severe depiction of it. I guess it could happen. Right. Portia Pendleton: Or almost just like how much it impacted their brain. Their trauma is just so severe, and it seems like they have not really talked about it with people because everyone wants something from them. Dr. Katrina Furey: They just want to know, did you eat each other? Dr. Jessi Gold: Right. Portia Pendleton: And it seems when we meet them as adults, they're not really close. I think some of them talk or I know that Tyesa had paid for Natalie's rehabs, but it sounds like they're not like, friends and they so desperately need to I mean, Shauna finally tells her husband some of the details, and it's just like he has no idea. So, I mean, I think gosh, it's not even like they processed at all. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? Dr. Jessi Gold: Yeah. I think it's like an extreme dissociation. I suppose sleep does all sorts of weird things with trauma and safety and not wanting to be asleep because they're not safe and all of that. So I guess some of that is possible. There's, like, a mystical aspect of the show too, but I think inherently the not processing is going to be a reason for the dissociation. The portrayal is, like, super extreme, which it is. Like, I've never had a patient, like, killer dog. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. And create, like, a shrine. Dr. Jessi Gold: Also never had a patient who was surviving in the wilderness and eating people. So I don't know what that really does to someone from a patient, from having heard a story that was similar. So I guess it's definitely extreme, but there's some elements of possibility in there. I'm hoping at some point they show us that they forced them into therapy at least a little, and that they all just didn't say anything because they didn't want to get in trouble. Probably what they thought was like, a crime. At some point, they actually hunt people, and so at some point, they kill people. That's a crime. I sort of wonder if you find them, you're going to probably get them into you would hope, right? I don't know. Maybe that wasn't a thing, and you wouldn't have forced them, but it seems weird you wouldn't have had them go to, like, one session or even in the hospital. Portia Pendleton: I'm assuming that when they were they were all evaluated, all taken to a thing, all given IV fluids and kind of checked out. And also I would hope that there was a psychiatrist coming in and being like, hey. Dr. Jessi Gold: You'Ve had a lot going on. Dr. Katrina Furey: Tell me. Great. But I would think, how do they trust anyone? I don't even know. I think it'd be really hard for any of them to do therapy. I feel like the one who I would think would maybe jump on is Misty, who I find I don't know. Well, I think she'd do it for attention. Okay. I think she would, like, feeling connected to someone who wants to listen to her and cares about her. Portia Pendleton: It's so funny. Dr. Katrina Furey: She's one of my favorite characters. Portia Pendleton: Both absolutely. Oh, she terrifies me. Dr. Katrina Furey: I love Christina Ricci. Like hello, Casper. Hello. Now and then. I love anything. I want to watch her all the time. But she destroyed that box thing, the signal thing. Portia Pendleton: She watches the rat in the pool or the mouse struggling. Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. Portia Pendleton: That's pre crash. Dr. Katrina Furey: I know. Portia what do you think, Jesse? Are you terrified? Dr. Jessi Gold: I mean, I wonder if anyone ever figures out she destroys a boxing. Never. Because they talked to her. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Dr. Jessi Gold: Again, people died because of her, so there's no way right. Portia Pendleton: They can't have and I was confused about that folder thing that she has all the information in in the woods. She keeps it in the trunk. Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. She, like, doesn't want them to be discovered. Portia Pendleton: And why do you have that? Dr. Katrina Furey: I don't know. Dr. Jessi Gold: It's because she's, like, popular there. Dr. Katrina Furey: Exactly. That's what I mean. Dr. Jessi Gold: She has skills that people want there. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Dr. Jessi Gold: On the team. She's like the water girl manager, water girl person who's there. Whereas in the wilderness, she can help. And I think feeling needed and wanted is something important to her. Whether there's some kind of actual severe pathology there that's dangerous is one thing, but I also think it's just like a desire to be liked and making rash decisions as a result, including destroying the box, because maybe she thought people would find them eventually and it would just give them a couple more days together or something. Like, I doubt she was like, I bet we're screwed forever now. But I think in the moment, she was like, I like this, and I like being needed, and I'd like to keep being needed, so let's just totally have that. Stay. Dr. Katrina Furey: But then she tries to poison the guy who loses his leg. I just think she might be a sociopath. Portia Pendleton: She definitely is demonstrating some traits. Dr. Katrina Furey: At least two traits, and then she kidnaps the reporter lady and ties her up. Right? Yeah. Dr. Jessi Gold: She's also really defending her own. Right. So it's again, she's protective of her people and their story and what she reporters kidnapped to help them. In her mind. I'm not saying it's, like, healthy, but the decision to do that was to protect her friends. She wants to protect Natalie, and I think that she sees where she's stronger in some aspects than they have been, and I think their story she tries really hard to protect. So I don't know. I think that there's definitely some problems going on up there and that she definitely kills kind of easily or chops legs easily and things like that. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Dr. Jessi Gold: But in the same respect, she has a defense of people she cares about. That's nice. In that setting, I want someone to kill for me. But it's nice to know if you. Dr. Katrina Furey: Needed it, you could call her. Dr. Jessi Gold: I guess she means that she'd be there, right? I don't know. Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, she's there through Thick anthony yeah. Portia Pendleton: And the setting is so unusual. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Portia Pendleton: It's so not a societal norm that it's like, it's interesting, like, who does well in that setting, right? Dr. Katrina Furey: Exactly. Portia Pendleton: Jackie feels very normal teen and she has like a really hard time. She's popular in like a traditional high school setting, falls apart in the woods. And Misty is not popular in high school setting. And then kind of like really need really helpful and shows up for people in the woods. It obviously still does some questionable things, but I think that's just interesting because in our society, some of these people don't fit in and have these antisocial. Dr. Katrina Furey: Traits, but then it turns out really useful when you're starving in the woods. Dr. Jessi Gold: I do agree, though, that the social hierarchy of ending is interesting. Right. And I think it's one of the things that makes it kind of cool that it's that population of like, roles, because you're like, teen girls are mean girls and there's bullying and there's reasons people are cool. Like they're dating the popular guy and they're pretty and they put out I don't know. Right. It's like things that are admired as characteristics in a person who's popular, but then when they go to the wilderness, that person has zero skill set and actually annoys them. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Dr. Jessi Gold: Because they can't do anything. Right. They're like, you're obviously useless here. We don't need a cheerleader. And at times that helps them right. To have the support and care. But a team captain for a soccer team is not the same as a team captain for a soccer team that needs to survive. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Dr. Jessi Gold: That upending, I think is really cool. Portia Pendleton: I think it's just like, of course that she goes for Ben and then he turns out he's gay and he. Dr. Katrina Furey: Kind of is so afraid of her. Portia Pendleton: It seems like that he's willing to. Dr. Katrina Furey: Go to the prom. Yeah. Portia Pendleton: That they're in this secret relationship or that he plays into this vanity. Dr. Katrina Furey: Well, yes, he did chop off, kill him, poison him. Again and again. It's the think about again, both we see Ty and Ben with their sexuality and struggling, like how open to be. And again, maybe the wilderness when you're starving isn't the time to come out. For Ben it's hard, but I feel. Dr. Jessi Gold: Like for Ty it's like safe and protective altogether. And she wants to be loved by someone and loving someone is protective against all of the bad stuff. I don't know, I think that that story, like the Van and Ty thing is sort of like really bad things happen, but you can together dance with somebody. Emotions are weird and mixed and don't all have to be bad at once. And sometimes you need those little moments of wind keep going. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Dr. Jessi Gold: I don't know. I think that for them it was like, whatever and we love each other, might as well. This is the last time we see each other, we might as well. And I think it was safe, right? That stuff ends up being kind of like a safe place for them. Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. And again, it's interesting how they depict that being a safe place and, like, a really sweet storyline and theme to carry through when there's so little sweet storylines. Right. But then for Ben, the coach, how it didn't feel safe for a really long time until it kind of felt like he had no other choice. Portia Pendleton: He discloses to Natalie, which I think. Dr. Katrina Furey: They have a nice bond, I thought. Dr. Jessi Gold: I wonder if it's just like, in a way, he's an assistant coach, too, right? Dr. Katrina Furey: I think so. Dr. Jessi Gold: I think it's like he was left to take care of all of them. And he's not that old. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. He's probably, like, 19 or something. Dr. Jessi Gold: Just graduated college, are still in college kind of age. He's not supposed to be the one helping people survive while he's barely surviving himself. I can't imagine how pain that would be. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Yeah. Portia Pendleton: I think we want to talk about Natalie and her character. Dr. Katrina Furey: There's a lot to talk about with her. First, how did her hair stay blonde in the wilderness for 19 months? Portia Pendleton: It starts to grow out, I think, towards the end, it's like, this much. Dr. Katrina Furey: I thought about that, too. There were some things like that. I don't think Van would have survived that wolf attack. Like, she totally, unfortunately, would have gotten septic, I think. Right. There are just some plot holes, we'll call them, but we can have some. Dr. Jessi Gold: Creative life fantasy in it. Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, I would like that fantasy. Right. Dr. Jessi Gold: I don't think they were, like, thinking so much about the hair or I don't know. I mean, lottie's off medicine. Dr. Katrina Furey: I know the location decision about what. Dr. Jessi Gold: That is something I haven't talked about Lottie, but yeah, I think Nat's backstory is the most interesting. I think Natalie probably coaxed in the way most people don't think they will, but will. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. I totally agree. Dr. Jessi Gold: Using alcohol, being aggressive, like, using drugs, like, not really wanting connection because they go away. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Dr. Jessi Gold: It's a really common reaction, though. Like, most people, I think, would be like, well, of course they won't turn to that. That's not me. But it is if it makes the feelings go away. Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. I mean, look at COVID and how high the alcohol rates went up. This totally happens. Dr. Jessi Gold: Yeah. Dr. Katrina Furey: Natalie was a really fascinating character, I think, all around, and she just got more and more complex, I think, like, as the yeah. As the season went on, almost, to. Portia Pendleton: Me, the most, like, typical reaction. Like, not I feel like I wasn't surprised about how she was handling things. Dr. Katrina Furey: At all after yeah. Portia Pendleton: Her teen prior crash traumas, and then obviously the crash. But I was kind of interested to see where she learned how to shoot the gun. Dr. Jessi Gold: Right. Portia Pendleton: So then it kind of flashes forward to her and her dad, who seems abusive, and then she is pointing the gun at him and clicks the trigger. He must be very abusive. That's a pretty far place to go, and then it doesn't go. And I'm like, now he knows that you are going to shoot him, and. Dr. Katrina Furey: Then we see how abusive he is, that he's so insulting, and then he. Portia Pendleton: Falls and shoots his head. And I was like, wow, that is traumatic to see, like, gory and wow. Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. Trauma. Dr. Jessi Gold: And I also think it's like the things she doesn't I'm sure none of them know that. It would be shocking to me. They probably know her dad's dead. Right. And that's it. I doubt any of them know that. They just were like, oh, she knows how to shoot a gun because they went hunting or something. I don't know. I mean, I think maybe that guy who's, like, he's a cop now. Maybe he was there and kind of had more of a relationship with her. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Dr. Jessi Gold: I don't know that she would have told that. He has the people in the wilderness. Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, no, I don't think so. Dr. Jessi Gold: Like, hey, soccer team talk is not like that. Probably. I don't know. Dr. Katrina Furey: I was surprised she was on the soccer team, I have to say. Dr. Jessi Gold: Yeah, she's edgy for it, which is actually good. Right. I think that could be part of it. She actually was decent at the game, and so for her about the stuff that comes with it, as much as she actually liked the sport, and it's. Dr. Katrina Furey: Probably a great way to get out some aggression as a teenage girl going through that and probably so much more at home. And then when she was at the soccer game with that guy from high school and his kid, and she was, like, telling him, you do this move and you do that move, and then he won. I thought that was really sweet, but I wasn't surprised that she didn't sort of continue with that connection. I think, like you said, Jesse, connections and closeness feel really scary to her. So I think she's someone who, I think, craves it but avoids it, given everything she's gone through. And I really am interested to continue seeing and learning more about her relationship with Travis when they're in the woods, and then what happens, like, when they all get back. Yeah. Portia Pendleton: Because that was just also, like, another person leaving, right. When he's, like, we think killed the police. Don't think so, but we think so. Dr. Katrina Furey: That he was murdered. Portia Pendleton: That's another huge loss for her. Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, 100%. And she has this feeling like that he wouldn't commit suicide. And then we get into that symbol, and I think that kind of brings us also into talking about Lottie, who was, like, a surprise. Big deal at the end. I was really fascinated at the beginning when they showed that she was on a typical antipsychotic, and I was like, oh, no. What is going to happen to her in the wilderness without this? This is not good. And then when she started having these visions. And stuff. It was really interesting to me. How do you frame it? Is it more mystical or is it psychosis? And it's interesting to see how the whole team reacts to it while they're all under duress and desperate for some sort of leader and some help and. Portia Pendleton: On mushrooms, that's when she kind of becomes this leader in this attempt to. Dr. Katrina Furey: Sacrifice kill the Travis. Yeah. Dr. Jessi Gold: I think it's like when people ask us if cult leaders have mental illness. Right. And I think probably there are some people that do and some people that don't. And people who follow cults are not necessarily psychotic either. But I think that there's this gray line that very blurry with that stuff, where diagnostically, they don't necessarily have that, or they have more insight than we would consider someone with psychosis having or something. But it kind of shows that blurred lines and cult leaders and psychosis that I think is super interesting, this desire for something bigger than them, almost like religion, is also where cult comes in, which is, like, I need to believe in something to keep going. And the thing that they're starting to believe in is, like, the power of nature and the relationship with nature and nature saving them. And what Lottie can do is because she could talk to animals, whatever it is. And it's just sort of like, I need to have a higher power. The higher power just happens to be based in this world of someone who might not be in touch with reality. But I also don't think that they know that. They're like, I bet Lottie's off her med, right? Dr. Katrina Furey: 100%. Dr. Jessi Gold: No, that's a secret. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? Dr. Jessi Gold: Because she just, like, ran out. Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. NBD. Dr. Jessi Gold: Doesn'T she take medication? Maybe we should listen to her. Which I think would happen in the real like, as bad as that is. Right. Like, in sort of stigmatizing, to sort of assume that that person is having some sort of mental illness related thing. I think that in the world, if someone knew you were on antipsychotics and then we're in the wilderness and not on antipsychotics, they'd say, Where's that coming from? Her head should be you scared and worried about her as opposed to following her. And that saying is true. But they just wanted something to believe in. Dr. Katrina Furey: I know. And so I think it just totally speaks to how desperate they are, just like you're saying. Portia Pendleton: And Cam is one of the first ones I'm sorry, not Cam. Van is one of the first ones to really take an interest in it and kind of also want the seance, and then when they're back, she just kind of wants to pray over their meal. And I think it's interesting that Tyisa. Dr. Katrina Furey: Is really opposed to it. Portia Pendleton: Does it then, kind of for Van, but even with just their backgrounds and this is really, like, making big assumptions here, but based on Van's backstory, I feel like it's less surprising that she really needs something to kind of anchor her and ground her. And TYSA is more able to, at this point, kind of have an inner self. Yeah, but then she does it for Van, which is sweet, but I think. Dr. Katrina Furey: That'S a nice thing. Dr. Jessi Gold: Van also survives in multiple times. She shouldn't. When that happens, people get weird. Dr. Katrina Furey: They do. Dr. Jessi Gold: I don't know, people turn to weird mystical stuff or there must be some reason I'm alive, right? Dr. Katrina Furey: Like, the laws of probability become magical and mystical. I see this even with people with, I want to say, run of the mill PTSD, like, not related to something super severe, like the Holocaust or a plane crash like this, but someone who's maybe had, like, complex childhood dynamics, maybe a parent with an addiction. They're in an abusive relationship and they got a car accident or something, like just sort of like a series of things, and they keep surviving or they don't. And it does start to feel like it has this, like, you're saying mystical or religious meaning to it. And I think that's part of the way humans try to process trauma and things that are hard to make sense of, especially when so many of them happen to you. You start to think like, well, I must be cursed, or, there must be someone looking out, or something like that does make a lot of sense. Dr. Jessi Gold: Look for a meeting. You were saying at the beginning, too. She almost was in the plane when the plane was on fire. Too right. So in a lot of ways, there are a lot of things with fire for her, a lot of things with animals. And I think that also goes with the symbolism. What Lottie 100% very much prey on the things that she survived to do that she would be probably the most vulnerable to it. Portia Pendleton: The other. Dr. Jessi Gold: Lee. And so the religious person also wants to believe in stuff. It might be different stuff, but she doesn't say anything weird about the experience of what Lottie is talking about because she believes in religion pretty strongly herself. So I don't know. To me, it's like a logical person to be most convinced from crazy stuff multiple times. And, like, someone stitching her face in your house. I know. Dr. Katrina Furey: She's got, like, barely a scar. Dr. Jessi Gold: Am I here? Also? I am. And we know from season two spoilers that someone was cast as older Van. So we know Van makes it. So I think that's also important. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. There were a couple of people near the end who we found out made it that I didn't think would have the whole season. I thought it was like, this core group of, like, four or five girls, and then we learn, like, oh, no, more of them. Portia Pendleton: Last scene, I see them calling a couple more survivors. Dr. Katrina Furey: Wow. Portia Pendleton: Okay, here we go. Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. Dr. Jessi Gold: Also, you guys are mentioning they separate. Something happens where they don't want to be around each other anymore. And, like, Tyson band clearly break up. Right. I think that it's not surprising we don't see them all in the same stuff. And that core group was kind of a core group during anyway. They're kind of clicky a little. They were like friends before. They supported each other through it. They pull in some others, but some of the other ones, they're there and they get in the wilderness and maybe just not otherwise. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? Yeah. And I wonder in season two if we'll see more and more of those other girls. I know we see more of Lottie, who's given me, like, Teal Swan vibes. We'll talk about it more next time. Have you watched that yet, Portia? Dr. Jessi Gold: Yeah. Portia Pendleton: Okay. Dr. Katrina Furey: Have you seen that, Jesse? Dr. Jessi Gold: Oh, yeah. Dr. Katrina Furey: Or the Teal Swan documentary? Dr. Jessi Gold: Oh, no, I don't think so. Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, you got to watch it. You'll love it. Dr. Jessi Gold: What cult is that? Dr. Katrina Furey: It's hers. She's called Teal Swan. It's on, hulu. I had a patient way back in the day come to a session in distress because they had a sibling who was, like, getting all involved in it. And I was like, I don't know who that is. And then fast forward, like last year, there was this documentary out, and I was like, but it's very similar to this dynamic. And you can see how not to spoil the documentary for you, but I will. Basically, Teal Swan hires this private investigator who is a very nice elderly woman. Interesting choice for a private investigator to follow them around and investigate and prove they're not a cult. And it turns out her findings are that they are indeed a cult. And then you see all of Til Swan's rage and all these reactions and just so many interesting dynamics. It just reminds me a lot of what we might see in season two. Portia Pendleton: It reminds me of the show also on Hulu with Nicole Kidman based on. Dr. Katrina Furey: That big little nine perfect stranger. Portia Pendleton: It's very similar to that. Like a cult leader. Dr. Jessi Gold: They're all on Shrooms, too, which is also relevant to this. Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes. Dr. Jessi Gold: Which is like the weird mystical aspect. Shrooms mixed with psychosis, mixed with not sleeping and not eating and not having normal body temperature regulation. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. All of it. Dr. Jessi Gold: It's like a permanent state of mania. Right? Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. And again, I think in the Teal Swan documentary, which is reminding me of this show, you do see certain types of people are more vulnerable to these types of people like Lottie or that influence like we're talking about. And I feel like in the show, showing that it was Van and Laura Lee really tracks, I think, in the real world. And it's interesting to me how Natalie is so against it. And again right. Like, AA. And a lot of the treatment we sort of recommend for addiction also has this reliance on a higher power. And I wonder how Natalie feels about that probably not great, is my assumption. Dr. Jessi Gold: You kind of see that right at the beginning. It's almost like she's going through the motions to get out of there. Dr. Katrina Furey: Exactly. Dr. Jessi Gold: She wasn't using or whatever, but she kind of feels like, to me, the kind of patient that would go once and be like, this stuff's ridiculous. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? Dr. Jessi Gold: Also figure out a way to quit themselves that has enough internal whatever where you're like, you did what? And they're like, completely cold turkey. Did I see that? But I also could see that probably AA and even group therapy in general might feel like that to her, right? Dr. Katrina Furey: Especially after this whole experience. Dr. Jessi Gold: And because the biggest complaint people have with AA is like, the higher power part 100%, people are always like, it doesn't have to be a spiritual thing. Like, it can be whatever a higher power is for you to try to not scare people away. And there's so much evidence that it works. And it's I also think, like here's, supporting group support is not going to work in a group that had to survive that and doesn't trust anybody. Ultimately, the normalization of experience, et cetera, would be helpful, but unless the group is them, I can't right imagine that you go to a group like that and you're like, Well, I survived the plane crash. Everyone stares at you. Then you're like, I lived there for however many months. Dr. Katrina Furey: 19 months. Dr. Jessi Gold: Yeah, I lived there for 19 months. They're like, well, what did you do? Well, we had to curiosity, like voyeurism support. It's like this voyeuristic interest in what happened and why. And that's why journalists are interested, too, but it's not in healing them. And I think sometimes people think therapists do that too, right? Where your story is so unique and original that when you're telling your therapist, people watch the reaction, and the reaction or the questions feel like you're like, wait, what? Tell me more about that in a way that feels incredulous or feels like you're asking for education on it. People don't want to go back to therapy either, right? Because they feel like they're telling their story in the way that you said, maybe Misty would like it for the attention, for the interest, not for support. And I think it will be hard to find somebody I mean, there are therapists who specialize in quotes and things like that, but who knows what they did back then? But I do think that it would be hard to find somebody in a support group with people who are there doing other stuff in that sense, because it also ends up like grief Olympic thing. And you're not going to beat the person for 19 months. You're just not, right? So it makes it a weird dynamic for a group where the group's then like, can I talk about how I'm fighting with my husband? And of course you can, because your trauma is your trauma, and is valid and your feelings are valid. Right. But if you're that person who turned to substances to hide how ashamed they were to begin with, and then the person next to you is like, I survived 19 months in the wilderness. You'd be like, I don't think I would be able to be like, school is hard. I don't like med school. I don't like this, and things that have really stressed me out in my life next to someone, it's just really impossible. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Dr. Jessi Gold: It's human nature to sort of compare in that sense. And it would make for a weird. Dr. Katrina Furey: Group that it would. Right. Like you said, I feel like the group would have to be them. And like an expert therapist, I said skilled. Portia Pendleton: If they're going to see someone, I feel like skilled is not even the right word. Used to be someone who's not reactive. Okay, so what emotion was that? Not like, oh, and then what happened? Dr. Jessi Gold: I think anything you could say could be very easy, even if you're just trying to support them. And I'm more animated as a human. I didn't go to psychoanalytic school of thinking and I self disclosed and stuff like that. So for me, I wouldn't necessarily be doing that because I wanted more interestingly, but I think it could come off like that, or I would do the opposite, which is try really hard not to come off like I was like, flat or something, not interested or what they were saying wasn't important or something. I don't know that I could handle the middle ground as well. I think people probably don't realize that we can say that about why we don't see certain reasons and why we like certain things, because I can see what it would be like to tell someone from the other side that stuff. And if I don't feel like I can handle that appropriately, you shouldn't waste your story on me 100%. Dr. Katrina Furey: It's really important. Dr. Jessi Gold: It would scare them away from therapy, right? I don't know. I can't imagine that there's a safe place to land for most people in those circumstances. And probably a lot of them, the place that they land if they do get care is not the right one. And then what? I know they don't want to get help again. And then it's all weirdly repressed and coming out and killing rabbits and stuff. Right. I think it's a mental health. We're not perfect at what we do, but I think when you come in with stigma and beliefs about what it's going to be like and then we eat into it because that's not great in your head or whatever, I think it just makes it worse. So I'm hoping they show a lot of that stuff. Dr. Katrina Furey: I am too. Dr. Jessi Gold: I don't know that they will, but that stuff, at least for me, is like, super fascinating, which is like, how the heck do you get back to life at all? When that happened. And what does that look like for someone? I really hope they get into that because it's a weird time frame. Like, it's not the time frames they're showing right in between, but I hope they do, because at least from a psych perspective, that's super interesting to me. I don't even know what I would do as a psychiatrist in that situation. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. I totally agree. I really hope we do see some of that, because they are at least like, Ty, Shauna, Misty, Lottie. I feel like I'm forgetting one. Natalie. They're all functioning in different ways. And it's like how like how how. Portia Pendleton: Shauna seems like and I wrote this as a question mark. I don't know if it was true. Was she at the first episode in her daughter's bedroom masturbating to her daughter's boyfriend's picture? Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, it blocked. Portia Pendleton: I think that she feels very stuck in her teen. Right. She came back and married her best friend's boyfriend, who she had been hooking up with. She is attracted to this young boy. Dr. Katrina Furey: Survive. I don't think that baby is her daughter because the ages don't match up. But what happened? Dr. Jessi Gold: She marries the guy no matter what that trauma was. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Dr. Jessi Gold: You said we talked about the beginning, like her wanting to get rid of it, but on top of it, maybe it doesn't survive, maybe it does. Who knows? But what happens with that conversation that leads you to stay with the person too? Interesting. Your babies as a person too. And then the whole she feels like we always say people are stuck when their trauma happens. She feels like that definitely evolved beyond that, even beyond the weird daughter's boyfriend thing. When she's dating Adam, the things that she's doing are, like, rebellious, jumping off, like having a beer at a party. Dr. Katrina Furey: In the parking lot of a gas station. Dr. Jessi Gold: She's really excited about it, and it feels so exciting and new and whatever. Dr. Katrina Furey: Because she never got to do it. Dr. Jessi Gold: Normal childhood in teenage years. So she does feel to me very stuck in that. But at the same time, my role is to be mom and housewife, and so I shall make dinner and kind of go through the motions, but then. Dr. Katrina Furey: I'm going to feed you. All rabbits do at the same time. Dr. Jessi Gold: I'm very much the same age as my daughter, which is why my daughter doesn't buy my stuff. My daughter doesn't think that I should be able to mother her because I can't. Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. I will say it was touching when Shaun is talking to Jeff and they're all coming clean to each other and she realizes that he knew this stuff all along and he stayed. I just thought that was really touching and really spoke to however dysfunctional their relationship is, I think anyone who goes through a trauma, huge, small, medium, whatever size, however you want to quantify it, just wants to feel held and accepted and not shunned. I think you were sort of touching on that, Jesse, about how would they ever function in group therapy with this being their trauma. I don't know. I thought that was a really sweet moment that she felt like he knew all this about her and yet he didn't run away. Dr. Jessi Gold: It's very different than Taisa's relationship. He's somebody different that she met later in life. We don't know a lot about that part, but my guess is she doesn't know as much as she should, because when stuff starts to come up, it's really scary to her, as opposed to being like, remember when you used to do that? You're doing that would feel like she told her any of that. So I feel like their relationship was built on like, that didn't happen, where there's some component of the Shauna jeff thing that was like, we were bonded long before. We are bonded by this stuff. We're bonded by jack. Dr. Katrina Furey: I know. The whole birthday lunch thing with her parents. Dr. Jessi Gold: We're bonded by Jackie. I don't know. And so I think maybe she thought he knew some stuff, but not as much. But they didn't really talk about it, but the unspoken stuff was, like, enough to help that relationship sort of survive, where tyes is just never discussed or something very different. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. And as we're talking, I'm just thinking, like, jeff was probably traumatized, too. He was still in school, but he probably has his own stuff that we haven't even seen. Maybe we will someday, but be curious to hear. Dr. Jessi Gold: No way. He doesn't have some. They have to, at some point, basically throw them funerals. 19 months, you say, we lost the plant. They're not coming home. Don't you think that at some point somebody calls it and they have some kind of ritual for them? Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Dr. Jessi Gold: I can't imagine that they don't even. Dr. Katrina Furey: Like, at a school wide memorial or something. Dr. Jessi Gold: They have to have something. And I'm sure the school is not a good situation to be in, let alone when you date two of the people that are there. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Dr. Jessi Gold: He was such a kid. Right? Yeah. There's no way that was fine for the people at home. And it makes you wonder if he's supporting jackie's parents while also in love with shauna and then not able to say that because it's were they even. Dr. Katrina Furey: In love, or did they just bone him and shauna? Right. They were like teenagers. Stay tuned. Yeah. It is complicated, jesse. Dr. Jessi Gold: Right? Dr. Katrina Furey: No, not at all. All of them. Oh, my gosh. And then the whole twist the show takes with, like, is adam somehow involved and manipulating shauna? I was like, yep. Yes, he is. I knew it. And I was like, oh, turns out he is not. Turns out that was a red herring. And now when natalie gets kidnapped at the end, I was like, what is going on? Where did this show go? It just really took a turn. Dr. Jessi Gold: Yeah. Portia Pendleton: I need to watch season one or season two, episode one after this really kind of dark. Dr. Jessi Gold: Some of that is like, this impermanence of safety or something, where no matter who's in their life, even if they're happy, it's hard to be happy. So technically, Shannon was happy with Adam, but the second she thought there was something bad about what he was doing or he was hurting her, it was like completely 180 being bad and dangerous and no, I have to protect myself. And I think that, again, was very much a trauma reaction, as is the rest of dealing with Adam afterwards. Dr. Katrina Furey: Call your girl. Portia Pendleton: I just think so much is so interesting and how she seems to be taking medications regularly from where she works. It seems like it's her specific tracks. Dr. Katrina Furey: Though, that she would be a PCA but not rise to a higher level. I think just with her personality type, without the crash, I think that tracks and then add in the crash. Right. Don't you think? Dr. Jessi Gold: Yeah, I mean, I think she's just doing a job to do a job, and she likes that people are dependent. Portia Pendleton: On, and she's, like, powerful there for. Dr. Jessi Gold: Men, and they need her, and she can make them in pain and not in pain and also lackness those situations. Older people sometimes don't have support. And so you're in this situation where you kind of have more power than you should because there's not enough accountability in those places. And so, yeah, it doesn't surprise me she found her way to a place like that at all. Portia Pendleton: And is this, like, expert online of. Dr. Katrina Furey: Detectives, like the detective and her bird yeah, I forget the bird's name, but it was great. Dr. Jessi Gold: Yeah. Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, gosh. Portia Pendleton: So you have started season two. Not really, I guess, talking about what you've seen. But what do you want from season two? Like, where do you want to see it go? What are you interested to see happen? What do you want more of? Dr. Jessi Gold: I don't know. So you're watching a show about cannibals. So at some point, you wonder where that comes from and what happens to change that and how they get there. You wonder who the person they're chasing is. Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes. Dr. Jessi Gold: At the end of their first season, we also know somebody prominent dies. So you're also curious how they all react around that. And so I think you want to know that. I think you want to know. I don't know that I want to watch. It's so weird because it's like you're watching a show where you know that's the premise, but it's like, do you really want to watch that? And it's, like, not really. It's super uncomfortable to think about. But you do want to know how they get there and what happens. I think that is something I'm interested in psychologically. I think that how they get home and stuff like that. I hope we see eventually, but I would assume it's not this season because they already renewed for three. So at some point, they're not going to do that. Right. Rescuing seems very end of show to me. Or close to end of show, how that happens. Dr. Katrina Furey: We could have a whole season with them trying to do group therapy. Portia Pendleton: I think it could take forever. Dr. Katrina Furey: It could, yeah. I think it's going to take, like, a darker, mystical turn in, like, Travis's Murder. But I would like to see season three just devoted to therapy. Dr. Jessi Gold: From a mental health perspective. There's a lot they could do if they wanted. Right? You hope that some of it's there, because for me, watching, I'm, like, I think it's really helpful for people to feel seen by these different characters and there's different reactions to the same thing, because we all have that. No matter what, the same thing is, like, families reacting to family trauma, all of us reacting to COVID, whatever it is, we all react differently. And I think it helps that the portrayals of PTSD are not just like the same sexual assault and military and flashbacks and hyper vigilance, and there's more to it, and that helps people go like, oh, maybe that's what I'm dealing with. But at the same time, from our side of things, it'd be really nice if someone actually got treatment. Very dysfunctional, and that's part of it. But maybe one of the people on the team isn't maybe Van. We don't know what Van is doing. We don't know if there's anybody else. Right. Where's the coach? There's these people that you wonder people are, and you're like, did somebody get help? And can they model? That would have been a way to come back from this, right? Dr. Katrina Furey: A healthy way right away. Dr. Jessi Gold: Because I think people get super scared about trauma therapy. Like, I can't relive that whole thing. I just got out of there. You absolutely can't make me keep saying that over and over. Like, they don't want to go to trauma therapy for that reason. And I think that's also important as like a resistance thing to talk about. But you'd hope that from our side things somewhere they at least discuss why they didn't or right. What was going on with people from resistance side and why that's valid, that sort of thing. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. I would love to see that when. Dr. Jessi Gold: You watch TV as a psychic. I know. Dr. Katrina Furey: It's so true. It's so true. Yeah. And I also think it's important to put out there that there are forms of trauma therapy where you don't have to rehash the event over and over and over and over. I think you're spot on. A lot of people are really scared to come to therapy because they think that's what they're going to be expected to do. And a lot of times, as people are kind of getting more comfortable in therapy, I try to gently talk about how they are reliving it over and over and over just when they're not wanting to, and somehow that's how the therapy can help. But just to put it out there, you don't always have to go through your trauma narrative every time. Dr. Jessi Gold: Wow. Dr. Katrina Furey: Jesse, I don't know if I should thank you for having us watch this show. I mean, it's very dark, but really enjoyable. Dr. Jessi Gold: What do you want to talk about? I was like, this is the most mental health, interesting show I've watched in a while. And for better or worse, right? There's always good and bad things, and there's always things that could be better. And I'd love people to consult people. Dr. Katrina Furey: More so that they were I know. Dr. Jessi Gold: And we are a lot of things and lived experience, and I get it. And we have that same conflict all the time on social media. I get it. But I do think that when you're like, what do you want to talk about? For me, has been the most interesting show in a long time to think about from our perspective, the person that we are mutually friends with. And I talk about the show a lot, and so I think that was, like, an obvious suggestion from. Dr. Katrina Furey: I have to say I was surprised. I was like, oh, Dr. Wilkins. Dr. Jessi Gold: Yeah. I mean, don't be confused by the. Dr. Katrina Furey: Exterior. Dr. Jessi Gold: Bubbliness and the heels and the necklaces. She watches some good stuff. Dr. Katrina Furey: We all do. We all do. Well, again, we are so grateful that you spent your time with us today talking about the show. I agree. It was really a good watch. I inhaled it. Portia Pendleton: Excellent acting, excellent cast. Dr. Jessi Gold: Yeah. There really isn't a better cast, which is also true. They did this thing where they're like, pulling on your own nostalgia. Yes. Christina region. Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes. Dr. Jessi Gold: We're just amazing. And then on top of it, they look exactly I know the casting was sick. There's not a lot of sometimes you're like, I mean, I see it from but you're like, oh. And they practice mimicking each other's perfect. And think about what would be different in the future versus now. And they do. That part is, like, phenomenal. Dr. Katrina Furey: Wouldn't you love? Yeah, I know. I was just thinking, like, I want to be involved in that. Like, if anyone wants to consult us for season two or three, give us a call or I guess DM or whatever the kids do these days. Portia Pendleton: Phenomenal. Dr. Katrina Furey: Just do reach. Send me a carrier pigeon or a smoke signal. Like, here you go. Well, thank you so much, Jesse. Again, we so appreciate your time. Is there anything else you want to add before we wrap up? Dr. Jessi Gold: I don't think so. I look forward to coming back to talk. Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. Oh, my God. Portia Pendleton: Please. Dr. Katrina Furey: We would love that. Dr. Jessi Gold: Season two, steady, quick on the intensity. If anyone who's listening is already started. Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, I know. Seriously, we would love to have you back. We would love to have you be like our yellow jackets field. Correspondent. It's cool to know that there's other psychiatrists and mental health professionals out there who share our love of the media and wanting to just put out factual info based on these depictions, good and bad. Portia Pendleton: Yeah, well, thanks again and make sure that you also follow Jesse on Instagram and TikTok at Dr. Jesse. Dr. Jesse. Dr. Katrina Furey: And then follow us at Analyze scripts. I think we have a TikTok now. Portia Pendleton: Yeah, we did yesterday. All right, well, thank you and thanks for tuning in and we'll see you next Sunday. Dr. Katrina Furey: Bye bye. This podcast and its contents are a copyright of Analyzed Scripts. All rights reserved. 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In crowds, at meetings, get-togethers with friends, everyday interactions: social anxiety can show up as an unwelcome guest at any time. But why? Psychologist Fallon Goodman digs into the source of social anxiety, setting the record straight about this common condition with practical solutions to help you feel the most authentically "you" while out and about. After the talk, mental health specialist Dr. Jessi Gold joins Shoshana in a sweeping conversation on social media's impact on social anxiety and how we can best support ourselves and others.
Psychiatrist, writer and professor Dr. Jessi Gold joins Zerlina on the show as part of our ongoing Mental Health Week!Jessica (“Jessi”) Gold, MD, MS, is an Assistant Professor and the Director of Wellness, Engagement, and Outreach in the Department of Psychiatry at Washington University in Saint Louis School of Medicine. She is a widely read and referenced expert on mental health among physicians and other health care workers, especially during the pandemic, as well as college students. She may be best known for her general audience original publications, in the Washington Post, New York Times, Forbes, SELF, and InStyle, and her research and academic publications in JAMA, the American Journal of Psychiatry, and elsewhere. She is also working on a book about healthcare worker mental health with Simon Element. She works clinically as an outpatient psychiatrist and primarily sees faculty, college and graduate students, as well as staff, and hospital employees. She has spoken at major national and international meetings and at grand rounds around the United States. She teaches and mentors faculty, both in and outside of psychiatry, students, and trainees. Dr. Gold is a graduate of the University of Pennsylvania, where she earned a B.A. and M.S. in Anthropology, in addition to being a Benjamin Franklin Scholar and Phi Beta Kappa. She also completed her medical degree at the Yale School of Medicine and her residency training in Adult Psychiatry at Stanford University, where she served as chief resident from 2017-2018. She has received numerous awards and accolades for her contributions in the areas of mental health and psychiatry.
Dr. Shikha Jain, Founder and Chair of the Women in Medicine Summit invited previous Summit attendees to share observations and takeaways to educate and empower individuals to make a real difference in the healthcare environment and achieve career goals. Speakers are Dr. Arghvan Salles, Dr. Angela Weyand, Dr. Asha Padmanabhan, Dr. Inna Husain, Dr. Jesse Allen, Dr. Jessi Gold, Dr. Mark Shapiro, current medical student Ms. Olivia Negris, and Ms. Michelle Fernando, medical school applicant. To view presentations and access more exclusive Women in Medicine Summit content, download the ConveyMED Podcast app for free: Apple Store click here Google Play click here Coming Soon - Earn CME credits from Woman UP! The Women in Medicine Podcast exclusively in the ConveyMED Podcast app.
Whether you have one follower or a million, we've all witnessed nastiness and hate speech on social media. YouTube content creator and mental well-being motivator Peachy Liv advocates for a kinder, more respectful digital world -- and urges us all to reflect before we share our thoughts online. Hear her tips for dealing with cyberbullying and personal insights on how we can all make the internet a safer place. After the talk, hear our host Shoshana speak with college mental health psychiatrist Jessi Gold on the importance of protecting mental health in the age of social media.
We're back with an incredibly important episode and a truly fascinating guest. Dr. Jessi Gold joins us this week to discuss the brilliant portrayal of trauma in Yellowjackets - not something we often see handled so well in other TV shows. You may have already seen Dr. Gold's InStyle article on this very subject. If not, it is a MUST READ. You can find it here: https://www.instyle.com/lifestyle/yellowjackets-trauma-portrayal Jessica (“Jessi”) Gold, MD, MS, is an Assistant Professor in the Department of Psychiatry at Washington University in St Louis School of Medicine, specializing in college mental health, medical education, and physician wellness. She writes regularly for the popular press about mental health, stigma, and medical training. Please be sure to check out her website, as you'll find a treasure trove of insightful articles. You can also connect with her on the following social media platforms: https://www.drjessigold.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessica-gold-14844bb/ https://twitter.com/drjessigold https://www.instagram.com/drjessigold/?hl=en More articles here: https://www.drjessigold.com/dr-jessica-jessi-gold-md-published-articles/ As always, thanks to our viewers, listeners, and patrons, and a special thanks to our Honorary Antler Queen, Phoenix! You can support our show by subscribing to our YouTube channel, following us on social media, and joining our Patreon! The Antler Queens on Patreon
We're back with an incredibly important episode and a truly fascinating guest. Dr. Jessi Gold joins us this week to discuss the brilliant portrayal of trauma in Yellowjackets - not something we often see handled so well in other TV shows. You may have already seen Dr. Gold's InStyle article on this very subject. If not, it is a MUST READ. You can find it here: https://www.instyle.com/lifestyle/yellowjackets-trauma-portrayal Jessica (“Jessi”) Gold, MD, MS, is an Assistant Professor in the Department of Psychiatry at Washington University in St Louis School of Medicine, specializing in college mental health, medical education, and physician wellness. She writes regularly for the popular press about mental health, stigma, and medical training. Please be sure to check out her website, as you'll find a treasure trove of insightful articles. You can also connect with her on the following social media platforms: https://www.drjessigold.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessica-gold-14844bb/ https://twitter.com/drjessigold https://www.instagram.com/drjessigold/?hl=en More articles here: https://www.drjessigold.com/dr-jessica-jessi-gold-md-published-articles/ As always, thanks to our viewers, listeners, and patrons, and a special thanks to our Honorary Antler Queen, Phoenix! You can support our show by subscribing to our YouTube channel, following us on social media, and joining our Patreon! The Antler Queens on Patreon
In our 8th episode, Kerry interviews Dr. Jessi Gold MD, MS who is a nationally recognized expert on healthcare worker mental health and burnout (particularly during the pandemic). She is an Assistant Professor and the Director of Wellness, Engagement, and Outreach in the Department of Psychiatry at Washington University School of Medicine in Saint Louis. Dr. Gold also writes for the popular press and has been featured in, among others, The New York Times, The Atlantic, The Washington Post, TIME, Self, and InStyle. In this episode we discuss:What is burnout? How to prevent itHow to seek helpDepression vs burnout Programming Your Day Base On What You NeedShow NotesTwitterInstagramTikTokWebsiteFree ResourcesArticle: I'm a Psychiatrist and Even I Kept My Mental Health Meds a SecretHow Can I Tell if I'm Depressed or Burned Out?Support the show
Today we are joined by Dr. Jessi Gold, MD MS. Jessie is an Assistant Professor and the Director of Wellness, Engagement, and Outreach in the Department of Psychiatry at Washington University School of Medicine in Saint Louis. She is a nationally recognized expert on healthcare worker mental health and burnout (particularly during the pandemic), college mental health, using social media and media for mental health advocacy, and the overlap between pop culture and mental health, including celebrity self-disclosure. Dr. Gold is a graduate of the University of Pennsylvania with a B.A. and M.S in Anthropology, the Yale School of Medicine, and completed her residency training in Adult Psychiatry at Stanford University where she served as chief resident. Dr. Gold also writes for the popular press and has been featured in, among others, The New York Times, The Atlantic, The Washington Post, TIME, Forbes, In Style, and Self. Dr. Gold is actively working on a book about healthcare worker mental health and burnout during the pandemic for Simon Element and is a member of the Expert Advisory Council for the ViacomCBS Mental Health Storytelling Initiative and Co-author of the Mental Health Media Guide. You can find more about Jessi's work and other media appearances at her website drjessigold.com as well as on social media @drjessigold on Twitter, Instagram and TikTok.Show Notes:Dr. Jessi Gold | Official WebsiteDr. Jessi Gold | TwitterDr. Jessi Gold | InstagramDr. Jessi Gold | TiktokYour Body Knows You're Burned Out | The New York TimesThe Effect of Coronavirus Pandemic on Mental Health: Interview with Dr. Jessi Gold | MSNBCMister Rodgers Goes to Washington | PBSNaomi Osaka Quits the French Open After News Conference Dispute | The New York Times
Jessi Gold, MD, MS, is an Assistant Professor and the Director of Wellness, Engagement, and Outreach in the Department of Psychiatry at Washington University School of Medicine in Saint Louis. She is a nationally recognized expert on healthcare worker mental health and burnout (particularly during the pandemic), college mental health, using social media and media for mental health advocacy, and the overlap between pop culture and mental health, including celebrity self-disclosure. Dr. Gold is a graduate of the University of Pennsylvania with a B.A. and M.S in Anthropology, the Yale School of Medicine, and completed her residency training in Adult Psychiatry at Stanford University where she served as chief resident. Dr. Gold also writes for the popular press and has been featured in, among others, The New York Times, The Atlantic, The Washington Post, TIME, Forbes, In Style, and Self. Dr. Gold is actively working on a book about healthcare worker mental health and burnout during the pandemic for Simon Element and is a member of the Expert Advisory Council for the ViacomCBS Mental Health Storytelling Initiative and Co-author of the Mental Health Media Guide. https://www.drjessigold.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Psychologists Off The Clock: A Psychology Podcast About The Science And Practice Of Living Well
Asking for help can put us in a vulnerable space. For some, asking for help feels like an admission of failure or weakness. However, many (including the POTC crew) would argue that asking for help demonstrates incredible strength, intelligence, and bravery. On this episode of POTC, our co-hosts, Jill, Yael, and Debbie, gather to discuss the importance of asking for help. They provide clinician-approved methods for identifying appropriate help, asking for help, and overcoming common barriers to asking for help. Listen in to this help-filled episode, today! Listen and Learn: Why our co-hosts are drawn to the topic of asking for help Barriers to asking for help when you need it most Practical strategies to reframe shame and guilt related to asking for help Specific challenges related to seeking out professional help through therapy or coaching When to seek professional help vs. emotional support from your loved ones Important differences between therapy and friendship Clinician-approved methods for finding a therapist who's a good fit for you and your needs Cultural challenges to finding a therapist and starting treatment Expert-approved ways to build out a reciprocal “helping network” with people you feel comfortable with Resources: Read Yael and Brad Stulberg's Washington Post piece, Therapist or coach: Understanding the difference and how to pick one Read Debbie's Psyche article, How to ask for help Check out Flynn and Lake's research on asking for help Read Zoe Chance's Influence Is Your Superpower: The Science of Winning Hearts, Sparking Change, and Making Good Things Happen Check out Dr. Jessi Gold's article, Your Therapist Is Not Your Friend, Take It from a Psychiatrist Check out Debbie, Yael, and Jill's websites to access their offerings, sign up for their newsletters, buy their books, and more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
We know that healthcare workers are burned out and exhausted. Provider mental health is a huge issue… but are the institutions listening? This week, burnout expert Dr. Jessi Gold talks to us about (obviously) burnout, but also ways HCW* can start to change the workplace culture into one that actually values their human workforce. Sound unlikely? Listen in to find out. *We talk a bunch about HCW in this episode, but the topics involved are relevant to everyone who feels even a little bit exhausted by the pressures of the world! Want your questions answered on the show? To submit your questions by voicemail, call us at (323) 643-3768 or visit megandevine.co In this episode we cover: Can you be emotionless and still practice good medicine? How medical training seeks out perfectionists, and then uses that perfectionism as a way to wring out even more work Why you can't self-care your way out of burnout, but you can support yourself inside the catastrophe Ways to get the administration to start valuing their workforce (spoiler: it involves speaking the language of capitalism!) Notable quotes: “The mental health system is broken. You can't fix it by breaking yourself.” - Dr. Jessi Gold. “Let's borrow from the c-suite, let's borrow tactics from the upper levels of the industry - they do have a balance sheet at the end of the day. They need to know there's economic benefit to valuing peoples' humanity and their limits. Denying people their humanity costs us.” - Megan Devine Guest Bio: Dr. Jessi Gold is an Assistant Professor in the Department of Psychiatry at Washington University School of Medicine in St Louis. She's a nationally recognized expert on healthcare worker mental health and burnout (particularly during the pandemic). Her work can be found in major publications like The New York Times, The Atlantic, The Washington Post, and TIME. Find the “burned out burnout expert” at www.Dr.JessiGold.com and on TW @drjessigold Questions to Carry with you: Tell yourself the truth about one thing. Why is that important? Listen to the episode to find out. Resources: For resources related to healthcare worker mental health, check out: physician's support line on social @shrinkrapping American Foundation for Suicide Prevention on social @afspnational provider resource hub developed by @theNAMedicine) Emotional PPE Looking for more training as you navigate grief on the job and in your life? Check out megandevine.co for consulting, resources, and upcoming trainings Get in touch: Thanks for listening to this week's episode of Here After with Megan Devine. Tune in, subscribe, leave a review, send in your questions, and share the show with everyone you know. Together, we can make things better, even when they can't be made right. To submit your questions by voicemail, call us at (323) 643-3768 or visit megandevine.co For more information, including clinical training and consulting, visit us at www.Megandevine.co For grief support & education, follow us at @refugeingrief on IG, FB, & TW Check out Megan's best-selling books - It's Okay That You're Not Okay and How to Carry What Can't Be Fixed Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
Today, I welcome Jessi Gold, Director of the Wellness Engagement and Outreach Department and the Department of Psychiatry at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis. Jessi Gold, MD, MS, is an Assistant Professor and the Director of Wellness, Engagement, and Outreach in the Department of Psychiatry at Washington University School of Medicine in Saint Louis. She is a nationally recognized expert on healthcare worker mental health and burnout (particularly during the pandemic), college mental health, using social media and media for mental health advocacy, and the overlap between pop culture and mental health, including celebrity self-disclosure. Dr. Gold is a graduate of the University of Pennsylvania with a B.A. and M.S in Anthropology, the Yale School of Medicine, and completed her residency training in Adult Psychiatry at Stanford University where she served as chief resident. Dr. Gold also writes for the popular press and has been featured in, among others, The New York Times, The Atlantic, The Washington Post, TIME, InStyle, and Self. She is a member of the Expert Advisory Council for the ViacomCBS Mental Health Storytelling Initiative and Co-author of the Mental Health Media Guide, as well as the Rare Beauty Mental Health Council. Her website is https://www.drjessigold.com/ and she can be found on twitter and instagram under @drjessigold
Today we make VISIBLE the mental health of health care workers. I'm SO stoked Dr. Jessie Gold, psychiatrist from Washington University School of Medicine in Saint Louis, joins us today, to talk to me about this incredibly important issue. You might know her from her strong advocacy and public platforms (@DrJessiGold) for both her patients and her fellow physicians. In this episode, Dr. Gold and I talk about: What are the signs of burnout in mental health clinicians? Why should we be concerned about the mental health of healthcare workers? What is moral injury and how can other workplaces (like teachers and first responders) also heal from this? How can we speak up about our mental health to our boss at work? Jessi Gold, MD, MS, is an Assistant Professor and the Director of Wellness, Engagement, and Outreach in the Department of Psychiatry at Washington University School of Medicine in Saint Louis. She is a nationally recognized expert on healthcare worker mental health and burnout (particularly during the pandemic), college mental health, using social media and media for mental health advocacy, and the overlap between pop culture and mental health, including celebrity self-disclosure. Find Dr. Gold: Instagram | Twitter | Full Bio | Articles | Academic Publications Resources mentioned in this episode: Our resource list for mental health supports around pandemic issues. CAMH: Mental health and COVID-19 resources for health care workers Use coupon CCPODCAST to get 15% off DIY*ADHD Find Christina (CRPO #003908): Website | Meet the Team | DIY*ADHD course | Instagram | Facebook | TikTok A gentle reminder that this is not therapy, and Christina is not your therapist. If you need more one on one support or treatment, please check out the links posted in the Show info and episode notes on the main podcast webpage. LISTEN OR SUBSCRIBE for free in your favourite podcast app: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Google Podcasts | Overcast | Stitcher | RSS --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/christinacrowe/message
Burnout has been an issue for healthcare workers far before the COVID-19 pandemic. So, how are our frontline healthcare workers, who often didn't have good mental health to begin with, coping amidst all of this trauma? Joining us today is psychiatrist Dr. Jessica ("Jessi") Gold, MD, MS. Dr. Gold is an Assistant Professor in the Department of Psychiatry at Washington University in St Louis School of Medicine, specializing in physician wellness, medical education, and college mental health. In this episode, she talks about healthcare workers' mental health and steps health systems and mental health professionals can take to support them better. RESOURCES Free and low-cost therapy for frontline workers: https://therapyaid.org/ and https://emotionalppe.org/ Physician support hotline staffed by psychiatrists: https://www.physiciansupportline.com/ Suicide prevention for healthcare professionals The Center for Workplace Mental Health MORE FROM DR. GOLD Dr. Jessi Gold writes about being burned out herself: https://www.wbur.org/cognoscenti/2021/03/04/physician-burnout-covid-19-pandemic-jessi-gold Instagram: @drjessigold Twitter: @drjessigold
In this episode, psychiatrist Dr. Jessi Gold talks about discovering her own burnout in the midst of helping other clinicians and how her personal experience influences her professional choices. Donna and Dr. Gold also explore the educational journey of medical students and residents and discuss how the culture of medical training needs to shift to support their well-being. During this episode, you will learn about: Dr. Gold's ironic discovery of her own burnout in the midst of helping others through theirsThe unique challenges of medical students and the “hidden curriculum” Environmental factors that often prevent medical residents from managing their own well-beingThe power of encouraging vulnerability in medical trainingMed-IQ is a leading provider of clinical and risk management education, consulting services, and quality improvement solutions, empowering individuals at every level of the healthcare delivery system with the knowledge they need to continuously improve provider performance and patient outcomes.This information is intended to provide general information (or education). It is not intended and should not be construed as legal or medical advice.Music and lyrics: Nancy Burger and Scott Weber.
Washington University's Dr. Jessi Gold says the COVID-19 crisis has been particularly hard on college students, and yet they are often not part of the conversation about pandemic impacts. Gold joins us for a look at what is happening on campus — and what can be done.
In this episode, Dr. Jessi Gold, an Assistant Professor and the Director of Wellness, Engagement, and Outreach in the Department of Psychiatry at Washington University School of Medicine in Saint Louis and I have a conversation about stress and burnout. She is a nationally recognized expert on healthcare worker mental health and burnout (particularly during the pandemic), college mental health, using social media and media for mental health advocacy, and the overlap between pop culture and mental health, including celebrity mental health and self-disclosure. Thank you for listening to the Millennial Health Podcast. Please subscribe to the podcast, share with your friends and leave a review on Apple Podcasts. If you have questions or comments feel free to reach out on Instagram and Twitter @DrJaySheree
"We're cheering that we are trying, and we are trying to help each other " "MedLasso" is back in the wake of an amazing 5th episode of Ted Lasso season 2. I'm joined by Dr. Sayed Tabatabai and our special guest Dr. Jessi Gold. We go deep on why Ted Lasso's resonance with health care professionals continues to grow, the importance of community and finding joy, and then we go "In The Locker Room" to answer some big questions about the show! Please join in the conversation on Twitter, and tag your tweets with #MedLasso Check out the archive of "MedLasso" here and get caught up! Please subscribe to and rate Explore The Space on Apple Podcasts or wherever you download podcasts. Email feedback or ideas to mark@explorethespaceshow.com Check out the archive of Explore The Space Podcast as well as our Position Papers and much more! Follow on Twitter @ETSshow, Instagram @explorethespaceshow Watch Explore The Space Podcast host Mark Shapiro deliver a TEDx address at TEDx SUNY Upstate. The topic is "Compliments As A Performance Lever During Covid-19" Sponsor: Elevate your expertise with Creighton University's Healthcare Executive Educational programming. Learn more about Creighton's Executive MBA and Executive Fellowship programs at www.creighton.edu/CHEE. Sponsor: Have you been looking for a better way to manage your tasks and collaborate with colleagues? Check out CareAlign - a HIPAA Compliant, digital workspace built to make the EHR work better for clinicians. Manage your tasks, build dynamic care plans, view vitals and labs and generate your progress note in less than 3 clicks. CareAlign has everything you need for patient care, at your fingertips. Visit www.carealign.ai/explore to learn more. Sponsor: The Clinician Experience Project by Practicing Excellence uses coaching and development to help clinicians become their best and improve patient and organizational outcomes, while amplifying purpose and contentment. Learn more at https://practicingexcellence.com/. #MedLasso, #TedLasso, #kindness, #health, #leadership, #mentorship, #lockerroom #coaching, #FOAmed, #doctor, #nurse, #meded, #education, #hospital, #hospitalist, #innovation, #innovate, #medicalstudent, #medical, #student, #resident, #fellowship
Kaveh and guest co-host Chase Anderson MD chat with psychiatrist Jessi Gold and nurse Ashley Bartholomew about the challenge of maintaining empathy in trying times and being able to voice frustration about the unvaccinated as a health care provider. Send your questions and comments to hopquestions@gmail.com.
After a year of so much hardship and isolation, how do we readjust to a “new normal”? Join Dr. Jessi Gold and Dr. Lucy Kalanithi, host of the new podcast "Gravity," for a deep dive into the varied emotions many of us are currently feeling as the country reopens post-pandemic. From Zoom fatigue to unprocessed mental health challenges—including grief and trauma—there are countless underlying effects of COVID-19 still left unspoken. This program will be an open and safe space to bring those conversations, questions, and fears to the surface. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
After a year of so much hardship and isolation, how do we readjust to a “new normal”? Join Dr. Jessi Gold and Dr. Lucy Kalanithi, host of the new podcast "Gravity," for a deep dive into the varied emotions many of us are currently feeling as the country reopens post-pandemic. From Zoom fatigue to unprocessed mental health challenges—including grief and trauma—there are countless underlying effects of COVID-19 still left unspoken. This program will be an open and safe space to bring those conversations, questions, and fears to the surface. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
You hate your emails, Don't want to look at your computer. You get more frustrated seeing your schedule each day or week. You're exhausted and maybe angry at the day's end. Are you depressed? Or burned out? This 20-minute episode explores the differences between the two. Our guest is psychiatrist Dr. Jessi Gold. Links to articles referenced in episode: https://www.wbur.org/cognoscenti/2021/03/04/physician-burnout-covid-19-pandemic-jessi-gold and https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/19/well/mind/covid-mental-health-languishing.html
You hate my emails, Don't want to look at my computer. You start to get more frustrated about seeing my schedule each day or week. Your exhausted and maybe angry at the day's end. Are you depressed? Or burned out? This 20-minute episode explores the differences between the two. Our guest is psychiatrist Dr. Jessi Gold. Links to articles referenced in episode: https://www.wbur.org/cognoscenti/2021/03/04/physician-burnout-covid-19-pandemic-jessi-gold and https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/19/well/mind/covid-mental-health-languishing.html
*TRIGGER WARNING: mental health month will include sensitive conversations each episode not limited to su*cide, anxiety, depression, ED, OCD and ADHD conversations.* okay listen, I know how most of us think of Psychiatrists (the ones that can prescribe meds!): An old white dude sitting across from you with a clipboard while you lie down revealing your deepest traumas and then you pay $250 for 30 mins of his time and you're out the door with some pills...right?? Well Dr. Kali & Dr. Jessi are *BREAKING THAT STEREOTYPE WAY THE FUCK UP OUT OF THE WATER.* A new wave of psychiatry is busting through the old, broken system: they're queer, their young, their WOMEN, they're people of color..THEY ARE JUST LIKE US!! So..how? why? and WHAT are they DOING to change the mental health system?! *FOLLOW DR. KALI & DR. JESSI* Twitter: @kdc_md Insta: @kalicyrusmd Facebook: kalicyrusMD insta: @drjessigold Twitter: @drjessigold Website: www.drjessigold.com ( http://www.drjessigold.com ) *RESOURCES:* *https://www.mhanational.org/mental-health-month* ( https://www.mhanational.org/mental-health-month ) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *https://www.nami.org/Get-Involved/Awareness-Events/Mental-Health-Awareness-Month* ( https://www.nami.org/Get-Involved/Awareness-Events/Mental-Health-Awareness-Month ) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *https://socialworklicensemap.com/social-work-resources/mental-health-resources-list/* ( https://socialworklicensemap.com/social-work-resources/mental-health-resources-list/ ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *BUY KELSEY'S BOOK! AND SENSITIVE MERCH! OUT NOW!* -------------------------------------------------- BOOK: https://shopc.at/dfp MERCH: https://shopcatalog.com/shop/tag/kelsey-darragh-collection/ Follow Kelsey & Keep Up with her life! https://linktr.ee/kelseydarragh Sign up for Kelsey’s new company at swapskis.co ( http://www.swapskis.co ) Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/confidently-insecure/donations Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
The decision to explore antidepressants can be a daunting one. Is taking meds an admission that something is really wrong with you? Will drugs change your personality? What are the common side effects? If people know I'm taking them, will they see me differently? What should I expect if I make an appointment with a psychiatrist? These are some of the questions we explore this episode, with psychiatrist Dr. Jessi Gold.
The decision to explore antidepressants can be a daunting one. Is taking meds an admission that something is really wrong with you? Will drugs change your personality? What are the common side effects? If people know I'm taking them, will they see me differently? What should I expect if I make an appointment with a psychiatrist? These are some of the questions we explore this episode, with psychiatrist Dr. Jessi Gold.
Dr. Jessi Gold is a psychiatrist and an Assistant Professor at Washington University in Saint Louis, Missouri. She's the Director of Wellness, Engagement, and Outreach for the Department of Psychiatry in the university's School of Medicine. She writes frequently about mental health and stigma for publications including Forbes, Time, Newsweek, The Atlantic, and The New York Times.
Psychiatrist Dr. Jessica Gold joins me to discuss mental health advocacy in the popular press and social media, how she navigates this responsibility and amplifies the voices of frontline workers and therapists particularly during COVID 19. We also talk about therapists in therapy and how Jessi how she supports frontline workers in her work. Jessica (“Jessi”) Gold, MD, MS, is an Assistant Professor and the Director of Wellness, Engagement, and Outreach in the Department of Psychiatry at Washington University in Saint Louis. She works clinically as an outpatient psychiatrist and primarily sees college and graduate students, as well as faculty, staff, and hospital employees. In her administrative role, Dr. Gold is helping her university and hospital's overall mental health response to covid for faculty and staff and finding acute and sustainable ways to take care of our own. Dr. Gold is particularly interested in college mental health, women's mental health and gender equity, physician wellness, and the overlap between popular media, stigma, and psychiatry. While she has published frequently in the more "traditional" methods of research papers and academic publications, she has also enjoyed teaching about mental health topics and decreasing stigma through writing for popular press outlets and she been featured in, among others, The New York Times, The Atlantic, The Washington Post, TIME, Vox, Newsweek, Self, InStyle, Glamour, and Forbes, where she is a contributorHighlightsTherapists' responsibility in the mediaUsing popular press to advocate for mental healthNavigating social mediaCovid toll on therapist's mental healthAnswering the “how are you?” question as a therapist in COVID Therapists in therapy Helping COVID frontline care workers in therapyWorking with College kids during COVIDIncluding therapists in COVID policyConnect with UsDr. Jessica Gold@drjessigold on twitter and instagramwww.drjessigold.com TamaraIG @drtamarasolesTwitter @drtamarasolesFacebook Dr Tamara Solesemail tamara@thesecurechild.comdrtamarasoles.comResourceshttps://www.nami.org/Homehttps://www.nami.org/Blogs/NAMI-Blog/June-2018/Why-Suicide-Reporting-Guidelines-Matter https://www.newsweek.com/my-coping-skills-therapist-2020-fail-fail-again-1547686 https://cmha.ca/https://www.crisisservicescanada.ca/en/https://afsp.org/Support the ShowIf you're enjoying the show, help us spread the word so others can enjoy it as well1. Leave a review on itunes/apple podcast 2. Share an episode on Social media. Be sure to tag me on it so I can see @drtamarasoles on facebook, twitter and instagram
What is a good life in the time of COVID-19? With no definitive return to “normal” in sight, where do we find hope? What do we do with our fear, and how do we handle extended isolation? Greg M. Epstein, the Humanist Chaplain at Harvard and MIT, a New York Times bestselling author and award-winning convener of ethical communities, embarks on a journey of reckoning with these questions and more, in an attempt to reclaim and reinforce what the pandemic has stolen from so many of us this year: our humanity. Supported by a Grant from MIT's MindHandHeart, this hour-long special starts at the heart of this crisis, as Greg talks with Helen Ouyang, a New York City E.R. doctor whose April New York Times Magazine cover story documented her struggle to maintain her own humanity while healing others. Jessi Gold, a leading campus psychiatrist, helps us manage the anxiety and depression levels we're all neck deep in right now. And Lama Rod Owens, an inspiring Black, Queer Tantric Buddhist Lama, helps us manage our lingering, heartbroken rage (about ... *gestures broadly at everything*), even as he tends his own.
Join Change Catalyst Founder & CEO Melinda Briana Epler in Episode 2 of a new series: Leading with Empathy & Allyship. In this episode we discuss Mental Health During COVID-19 with Dr. Jessi Gold and Dr. Ayana Jordan.⭑⭑If this is helpful, don't forget to subscribe to our channel and like this podcast!⭑⭑If you need help please reach out: ➡ Disaster Distress Helpline: 1-800-985-5990 ➡ National Suicide Prevention Lifeline: 1-800-273-8255➡ Crisis Textline: Text TALK to 741741 ➡ Physician Support Line: physiciansupportline.com➡ Project Parachute - pro-bono therapy for COVID-19 Frontliners: eleos.health/parachuteAdditional resources for allies:➡ Learn more about the work of Dr. Jessica "Jessi" Gold, MD, MS: https://www.drjessigold.com and follow her on Twitter twitter.com/drjessigold➡ Follow Dr. Ayana Jordan on Twitter twitter.com/DrAyanaJordan➡ "Mental Health and COVID-19" by American Foundation for Suicide Prevention: afsp.org/mental-health-and-covid-19For more about Change Catalyst, and to join us for a live recording, visit changecatalyst.co/allyshipseriesSupport this series: patreon.com/changecatalystsYoutube: youtube.com/c/changecatalystTwitter: twitter.com/changecatalystsFacebook: facebook.com/changecatalystsLinkedIn: linkedin.com/company/changecatalystsSupport the show (http://patreon.com/changecatalysts)
As COVID19 heats up, more doctors are on the front line of a global pandemic. They are now facing fears, uncertainties and ethical dilemmas that they are just weren't trained to cope with. While we talk about protective equipment no one is talking about protecting health professional's mental health. Dr. Jessi Gold, Assistant Professor of Psychiatry at Washington University, was in The Exam Room to help us understand the impact of this new psychological trauma. She breaks down what health professionals are facing and some prescriptive solutions on the individual and institutional level. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
In this episode, Neal Christopher and Badr Raknakaran give an overview of other podcasts that may be of interest to psychiatrists. Links to some resources below: (Not all are discussed in the episode) Psychopharmacology Updates Practical psychopharmacology updates for mental health clinicians. Useful for psychiatry / mental health professionals. Expert interviews and soundbites from CME presentations. Practical and free of commercial bias. Not sponsored by any pharmaceutical company. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/psychopharmacology-and-psychiatry-updates/id1425185370 MDedge https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mdedge-psychcast/id1382898254?mt=2 MDedge Psychcast is a weekly podcast from MDedge Psychiatry, online home of Clinical Psychiatry News and Current Psychiatry. Hosted by Editor in Chief Lorenzo Norris, MD, Psychcast features psychiatric clinicians discussing the issues and concerns that most affect their specialty. The information in this podcast is provided for informational and educational purposes only. The Medical Mind Podcast A podcast about innovation in mental health care from the APA Division of Education. APA Administration host Ann Thomas interviews APA members and other healthcare professionals about new initiatives in psychiatry. https://www.psychiatry.org/psychiatrists/education/podcasts/the-medical-mind-podcast Psychiatric Services From Pages to Practice Psychiatric Services Editor Lisa Dixon, M.D., M.P.H., and Podcast Editor and co-host Josh Berezin, M.D., M.S., discuss key aspects of research recently published by Psychiatric Services. Tune in to Psychiatric Services From Pages to Practice to learn about the latest mental health services research and why it is relevant. Topics include community-based treatment programs, collaborative care, evidence-based treatment and service delivery, criminal and social justice, policy analysis, and more. https://ps.psychiatryonline.org/podcast Psychiatry Unbound APA Publishing's Books podcast, hosted by APA Books Editor-in-Chief, Laura Roberts, M.D. Psychiatry Unbound offers the opportunity to hear the voices behind the most prominent psychiatric scholarship in the field today. Subscribe now to learn about important topics in the field of psychiatry and see how our authors are making an impact in clinical settings throughout the world. http://psychiatryunbound.apapublishing.libsynpro.com/ AJP Audio brings you highlights from each issue of The American Journal of Psychiatry. https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/audio The Journal of Clinical Psychiatry Publisher's Podcast includes monthly audio updates of the features in each issue of JCP, plus special features added from time to time. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-journal-of-clinical-psychiatry-publishers-podcast/id386299220 Concepts in Psychiatry The premiere podcast for psychiatrists, psychiatry residents, and other mental health professionals interested in strengthening their knowledge of the fundamental concepts of psychiatry and learning the latest news in the treatment of mental health disorders. Hosted by Sarah DeLeon, MD, a third year psychiatry resident. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/concepts-in-psychiatry/id1257416543 PsychEd: educational psychiatry podcast This podcast is written and produced by psychiatry residents at the University of Toronto and is aimed at medical students and residents. Listeners will learn about fundamental and more advanced topics in psychiatry as our resident team explore these topics with world-class psychiatrists at U of T and abroad. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/psyched-educational-psychiatry-podcast/id1215646896 Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry Each month JAACAP highlights a selected article found within the pages of the Journal by providing a podcast interview with the author. Tune in regularly to this feature of JAACAP, where we strive for a relaxed 'fireside chat' atmosphere in which authors can share aspects of their science that we are less often privy to. Podcasts are typically 15 to 20 minutes in length. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/journal-american-academy-child-adolescent-psychiatry/id660778429 Focus on Neurology and Psychiatry by ReachMD New research and clinical trials yield frequent developments in neuroscience and mental health. ReachMD welcomes an array of leading thinkers who lend their focused expertise to these principles, central to human function and ability. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/focus-on-neurology-and-psychiatry/id913720346 Mad in America podcast Welcome to the Mad in America podcast, a new weekly discussion that searches for the truth about psychiatric prescription drugs and mental health care worldwide. This podcast is part of Mad in America's mission to serve as a catalyst for rethinking psychiatric care. We believe that the current drug-based paradigm of care has failed our society and that scientific research, as well as the lived experience of those who have been diagnosed with a psychiatric disorder, calls for profound change. On the podcast we have interviews with experts and those with lived experience of the psychiatric system. Thank you for joining us as we discuss the many issues around rethinking psychiatric care around the world. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/focus-on-neurology-and-psychiatry/id913720346 SAGE Psychology & Psychiatry Welcome to the official free Podcast site from SAGE for Psychology & Psychiatry. SAGE is a leading international publisher of journals, books, and electronic media for academic, educational, and professional markets with principal offices in Los Angeles, London, New Delhi, and Singapore. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sage-psychology-psychiatry/id871125966 Mental Health and Psychiatry (Video & Audio) Guest speakers, researchers and University of California faculty explore mental illness and mental health. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mental-health-and-psychiatry-video/id522813934 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mental-health-and-psychiatry-audio/id522813323 PeerView Neuroscience & Psychiatry CME/CNE/CPE Audio Podcast PeerView is an independent, professional medical publishing company focused on gathering and reporting information pertaining to clinically relevant advances and developments in the science and practice of medicine. As publishers of PeerView Publications, PeerView is solely responsible for the selection of publication topics, the preparation of editorial content and the distribution of all materials it publishes. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/peerview-neuroscience-psychiatry-cme-cne-cpe-audio/id179489480 Mental Health Book Club Podcast Sydney Timmins - a writer and Becky Lawrence - a secondary school teacher discuss books that contain mental health issues. Sydney and Becky will combine their love of reading and talking, working their way through anything from self-help, fiction and memoirs tackling a range of mental health issues. Trigger warning: this podcast discusses mental health topics that may cause distress to some listeners, we will give a full list of topics in each episodes show notes. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mental-health-book-club-podcast/id1279210164 Mental - The Podcast to Destigmatise Mental Health Mental is the brain-child of Bobby Temps, who lives and thrives while managing his own mental health. Each week joined by a special guest Mental is intended to be a safe space to hear honest and open discussion about mental health in the hope listeners will feel more empowered to continue the conversation with others. This podcast is a chance for Bobby to give back for the support he has received and share what he continues to learn in the ongoing journey for optimum mental wellbeing. Covering many, many topics that influence mental health, we focus on identity and the sheer weight of being a human in our modern, technology-filled world. Learn about different conditions from first-hand experience, with statistics you can trust and inspiring guests. Mental health is something to be mindful of just as much as physical health, and Mental strives to let listeners know that they don't have to do so alone. Oh, and remember… you are enough! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mental-the-podcast-to-destigmatise-mental-health/id1358920477 MQ Open Mind MQ: Transforming Mental Health https://www.mqmentalhealth.org/ MQ Open Mind looks at the science behind mental health and its potential to transform lives. The show digs deep into the cutting-edge research taking on mental illness and speaks to the people it could help. Hear conversations on a range of different conditions, from depression and anxiety to schizophrenia and bipolar. Brought to you by MQ: Transforming Mental Health, the new major mental health research charity https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mq-open-mind/id1271690765 Piece of Mind: Mental Health & Psychiatry We bring you the latest on mental health research at Cardiff University's MRC Centre and the National Centre for Mental Health (NCMH), plus real-life experiences of people affected by mental health problems. We would love to hear your feedback or ideas for future episodes, either comment on our latest episode, message us at info@ncmh.info or Tweet/Insta with #POMpod. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/piece-of-mind-mental-health-psychiatry/id1326789920 Mental Health Foundation podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mental-health-foundation-podcast/id665005881 JAMA Psychiatry Author Interviews Interviews with authors of articles from JAMA Psychiatry. JAMA Psychiatry is an international peer-reviewed journal for clinicians, scholars, and research scientists in psychiatry, mental health, behavioral science, and allied fields. JAMA Psychiatry strives to publish original, state-of-the-art studies and commentaries of general interest to clinicians, scholars, and research scientists in the field. The journal seeks to inform and to educate its readers as well as to stimulate debate and further exploration into the nature, causes, treatment, and public health importance of mental illness. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/jama-psychiatry-author-interviews/id1227007379 ADD Lancet NEI Podcast Neuroscience Education Institute The Neuroscience Education Institute (NEI) is committed to help raise the standard of mental health by providing imaginative medical education that focuses on the highest level of learning. Each episode offers an opportunity to learn about current issues in psychiatry from key opinion leaders in the medical field. NEI's Podcast would be of value to anyone with an interest in neuropsychiatric diseases and psychopharmacology. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/nei-podcast/id288425495 Therapy We All Wear It Differently A podcast for early career psychologists. If you're looking for inspiration and advice for your psychology career, you're in the right place. Amy Felman interviews working psychologists from diverse fields with all levels of experience as they share their journeys, challenges and career breakthroughs that have lead them to where they are today. Tune in and discover how we all wear it differently. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/we-all-wear-it-differently-podcast-for-early-career/id992827102 Psychologists Off The Clock: A Psychology Podcast About The Science And Practice Of Living Well Ever wonder what therapists talk about over coffee? We are three clinical psychologists who love to chat about the best ideas from psychology. In this podcast, we explore the psychological principles we use in our clinical work, and bring you ideas from psychology that can help you flourish in your work, parenting, relationships, and health. Thank you for listening to Psychologists Off The Clock! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/psychologists-off-clock-psychology-podcast-about-science/id1176171178 Shrink Rap Radio David Van Nuys, Ph.D. All the psychology you need to know and just enough to make you dangerous... This podcast features renowned psychologist,Dr. David Van Nuys , brining you in-depth interviews on a broad array of psychological topics including: psychotherapy, dreams, consciousness, depth psychology, business psychology, developmental psychology, mind/body psychology, personal growth, psychology and art, research psychology, social issues, and spirituality. The roster of world-class guests includes: Philip Zimbardo, Charles Tart, Irvin Yalom, Jonathan Haidt, Sara Lazar, Robert Altemeyer, Stanley Krippner, Arnold Mindell, Dacher Keltner, Michael Meade, and David Barlow among others. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/shrink-rap-radio/id79491957 Speaking of Psychology American Psychological Association "Speaking of Psychology" is an audio podcast series highlighting some of the latest, most important and relevant psychological research being conducted today. Produced by the American Psychological Association, these podcasts will help listeners apply the science of psychology to their everyday lives. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/speaking-of-psychology/id705934263 Counselor Toolbox Podcast Dr. Dawn-Elise Snipes Counselors, coaches and sober companions help hundreds of thousands of people affected by Addictions and Mental Health issues each year. Learn about the current research and practical counseling tools to improve your skills and provide the best possible services. Counselor Toolbox targets counselors, coaches and companions, but can also provide useful counseling self-help tools for persons struggling with these issues and their loved ones. AllCEUs is an approved counseling continuing education provider for addiction and mental health counselors in most states. Counseling CEUs are available for each episode. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/counselor-toolbox-podcast/id1120947649 The Trauma Therapist Guy Macpherson, PhD This is a podcast about people helping people. Bruce Perry, Gabor Mate, Janina Fisher and many other of the world's leading master therapists, thought leaders and game-changers who specialize in PTSD, post-traumatic stress disorder, trauma, complex trauma and related fields join Guy Macpherson, PhD at thetraumatherapistpodcast.com for inspiring interviews about what it takes and what it means to sit with those who've been impacted by trauma. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-trauma-therapist/id899009517 The Thoughtful Counselor The Thoughful Counselor Team The Thoughtful Counselor is a podcast that is dedicated to producing great conversations around current topics in counseling and psychotherapy. We view counseling and psychotherapy as a deeply beautiful and complex process, and strive to incorporate both the art and science of the field in each episode. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-thoughtful-counselor/id1152853871 Between Us: A Psychotherapy Podcast Psychotherapists John Totten and Mason Neely bring you this psychotherapy podcast that explores what is happening between therapists and patients, from both sides of the relationship. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/between-us-a-psychotherapy-podcast/id1152775317 The Modern Therapist's Survival Guide with Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT The Modern Therapist's Survival Guide: Where Therapists Live, Breathe, and Practice as Human Beings It's time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when clinicians must develop a personal brand to market their private practices, and are connecting over social media, engaging in social activism, pushing back against mental health stigma, and facing a whole new style of entrepreneurship. To support you as a whole person, a business owner, and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/modern-therapists-survival-guide-curt-widhalm-katie/id1310770477 ACT in Context Association for Contextual Behavioral Science ACT in Context is freely available to anyone, and its episodes will take listeners on a journey from the history and development of ACT through its clinical application and the future of the work. This podcast will primarily focus on ACT, but it will often touch upon several related issues such as behavioral principles, the underlying theory of language (Relational Frame Theory) and philosophy of science. We hope that informal learners, potential consumers, researchers and clinicians alike find it useful. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/act-in-context/id748513885 The Learn Psych Podcast is a monthly educational podcast on topics in psychiatry. It is targeted towards students and trainees, though it is often relevant to a wide variety of healthcare providers. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/learn-psych-podcast/id1118809594 Psychiatry Today Join Dr. Scot Bay every Wednesday night at 7PM while he discusses Psychiatry and mental health with guests. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/psychiatry-today/id279601313 Psychiatric videos for teaching Psychiatric interviews created for teaching purposes. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/psychiatric-videos-for-teaching/id670271700 Psyched??! We answer your call for psychiatry and mental health topics with our new upcoming podcast. We are two psychiatrists, David Carreon, 100%-nerd with a side of philosophy, and Jessi Gold, down-to-earth, empathic and, at times, sarcastic. We're starting a podcast called "Psyched!" aimed to communicate stories in neuroscience and psychiatry to a wider audience. We're targeting psychiatrists as our primary listeners, but hope to have a program that's accessible, entertaining and informative for a broader audience. Basically, we want to be the Economist for psychiatry. We'll cover everything from the foundational to the cutting-edge, from the popular to the weird. We hope to capture and communicate the excitement of psychiatry, and have fun while doing it. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/psyched-a-psychiatry-blog-episodes/id1299266826 Let's Talk about Borderline Personality Disorder A podcast about Borderline Personality Disorder by the National Education Alliance for Borderline Personality Disorder (NEABPD) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/lets-talk-about-borderline-personality-disorder/id1310234795 Psychiatry from University of Oxford Psychiatry is a medical discipline seeking to understand and treat mental illness. These podcasts provide an introduction to core topics in psychiatry, and to research undertaken in the Oxford University Department of Psychiatry. This series is relevant to health-care professionals and members of the public. The topic podcasts are particularly relevant to medical students studying psychiatry. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/psychiatry/id796432735 MGH Psychiatry Academy Podcasts https://player.fm/series/mgh-psychiatry-academy-podcasts
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