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Here's an album filled with some of the biggest big band jazz orchestra leaders there ever were. And they're the songs that each leader was most identified by. It's also a special promotional copy with a Cleveland area connection, which is probably why it's in my dad's collection. Plus it brought back some memories of TV commercial gold. So get ready to hear tunes that introduced the bands that played them in Volume 198: Big Band Themes. Correction: Lawson's Milk Company was founded in Cuyahoga Falls, not Chagrin Falls, which is what I said in the episode. More information about this album, see the Discogs webpage for it.  Credits and copyrights Various – Dance To The Themes Of The Greatest Bands Label: Columbia Special Products – XTV 68511 Format: Vinyl, LP, Compilation Released: 1963  Genre: Jazz Style: Big Band Les Brown–Leap Frog written by Joe Garland, Leo Corday in 1942 Recorded by Les Brown and his Orchestra in October 1945 Woody Herman and his Thundering Herd - Blue Flame written by Leo Corday, Joe Bishop, James A. Noble First recording on February 13, 1941 by Woody Herman Claude Thornhill - Snowfall written by Claude Thornhill, Ruth Thornhill First recording on May 26, 1941 Kay Kyser - (I've Grown So Lonesome) Thinking Of You written by Bert Kalmar, Harry Ruby recorded New York, NY, January 9, 1939 but not released until 1941. Gene Krupa - Starburst Composed by Eddie Finckel and Gene Krupa Recorded February 8, 1947 Count Basie - One O'Clock Jump written by Count Basie First recording on July 7, 1937 I do not own the rights to this music. ASCAP, BMI licenses provided by third-party platforms for music that is not under Public Domain.

In Episode 42 of DineDrinkCLE: The Podcast, hosts Josh Duke and Alex Darus chat with Paris Wolfe about a themed murder mystery dinner by the Secret Supper Club. They also discuss Lopez in Chagrin Falls' move to a new location, coinciding with Day of the Dead celebrations, and Alex shares what she's learned about microgreens and where to find them in Northeast Ohio.

Chagrin Falls stories. Secret service agent robbed at gun point during Biden's visit / Chick fil A summer camp controversy / Elephant have names for one another – using names to call each other. Pizza Hut abruptly shutters 15 restaurants - with 129 more at risk - after huge bust-up with major franchisee / Several 7-11 robberies / Southwest Close calls. Southwest Dutch Roll / Travel etiquette which state has the worst etiquette / Nationwide stopping pet insurance.

Welcome to summer! The MCPA has a full slate of outdoor events in the coming months, and it won't be long before they will be announcing the next season of top-notch entertainment at the Marathon Center for the Performing Arts (at 13:14) --- What's Happening: Spend some family time in the great outdoors this summer with upcoming programs and activities with the Hancock Park District (at 23:18) --- To Your Health: May is Cystic Fibrosis Awareness Month... and although there's no cure, new treatments are allowing those with the disease to accomplish more than ever before - case in point, the board chair of the CF Foundation, KC White of Chagrin Falls, who is the first person with the disease to hold that title (at 44:48)

In our 20th episode, hosts Josh Duke, Alex Darus, joined by Paris Wolfe, discuss changes coming to the West Side Market thanks to non-profit management, highlighting vendor excitement and what customers should anticipate. Marc Bona joins to share the news about Moxie - Brad Friedlander's restaurant which enjoyed a more-than-two-decades run in Beachwood -replacing Aurelia in Chagrin Falls. Lastly, Darus tells us about the Kyuu-Juu pop-up which features exotic sushi items such as Kurage jellyfish and flash-fried octopus.

Welcome to THE SETH WILLIAMS SHOW, where we dive into today's chaos. Join Seth and Chris as they dissect current events. On this episode, Mario shares his charity efforts. Plus, discussions on Dollar Tree closures and GPS tagging cattle. The world is changing fast—are we headed towards the end? Tune in for insights and updates. Also, catch Tony from Stir in Chagrin Falls unveiling their delectable date night dinner special. #CurrentEvents #ChaosTalk #CharityEfforts #FoodShortages #EndOfWorld #DollarTree #GPS #CattleTagging #Insights #Updates #DateNight #SpecialDinner The Seth Williams Show airs live from 4-6pm Eastern on Mondays and Wednesdays at TheSethWilliamsShow.com, CMStv.net and CMSradio.net. Follow the show at www.thesethwilliamsshow.com. **NOTE: Everything said here, and on every episode of all of our shows are 100% the opinions of the hosts. Nothing is stated as fact. Do your own research to see if their opinions are true or not.** Support THE SETH WILLIAMS SHOW at https://odysee.com/@thesethwilliamsshow:4 --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/cmspn/message

Don't believe the rumors, as Morgan wants to work for the Royal Family anyway. A Divorce Lawyer has shared the 5 professions where cheating is most prevalent. Morgan is thrilled to have a washer and dryer in her new house. What friend of your S.O. can you NOT stand?? Leila from Chagrin Falls had a pretty good reason. Also, we're talking busted brackets and iPhone monopolies. Plus, Battle of the Burbs, quitting social media, and Bill even has a BOOK recommendation for you! 

Bob DiBiasio SVP/Public Affairs Cleveland Guardians Progressive Field spoke to Bill-Mike about 2024 BRACKETS FOR BAAB ANNUAL FUNDRAISER THURSDAY, MARCH 21, 2024 | CHAGRIN FALLS, OH - Doors open at 11:30am with food starting at noon until 6pm. Event concludes after the late afternoon game (around 7pm).

 Russell was lucky to grow up in a musical family in Chagrin Falls, Ohio. His mother played the bassoon, his father played the french horn, and his step-father taught saxophone and played jazz. He began playing the bass in 4'th grade, but his interest in classical music began to spark when he began studying with Tracy Rowell and  joined the Cleveland Orchestra Youth Orchestra (COYO) his sophomore year. It wasn't until attending the inaugural summer of the National Music Festival in Floyd, Virginia that he considered pursuing music as a career.      He earned a bachelors degree in Music Performance from the Cleveland Institute of Music in 2015 before going on to earn a Master's degree at Boston University and a Master of Musical Arts at Yale. He was also a founding member of the disciplinary performance group Artists By Any Other Name based in New York City. During this time, he also found a love of teaching and of encouraging students to reach their fullest potential. Thompson is currently pursuing his doctorate at the University of North Texas with Jeff Bradetich. His previous teachers have included Tracy Rowell, Max Dimoff, Edwin Barker, and Don Palma. He plays on a bass made by Oregon luthier Seth Kimmel and a bow by Louis Morizot. On The Bass Shed Podcast, Russell candidly discusses his work as a freelance bassist as well his position as Principal Bassist of the Arkansas Symphony Orchestra, challenges and perspectives of the occupation and his practice routines. Support the showInstagram / Twitter / Youtube / Website / BSA / View More Episodes

Paul Sidhu is the President and Chief Executive Officer of Sidhu Realty Capital. Paul has over a decade of commercial real estate investment experience having managed and consulted on multi-billion dollar private equity portfolios as a Portfolio Manager for UBS Investment Bank and a Senior Consultant for Deloitte. Paul graduated from Bates College with a Bachelor of Arts degree and also holds a Masters in Real Estate Finance from New York University's Schack Real Estate Institute and an MBA from Duke University's Fuqua School of Business. Paul is also a licensed real estate broker and a member of the International Council of Shopping Centers (ICSC).Paul is excited about taking Dave's Cosmic Subs to the next level. The original Dave's Cosmic Subs started out as a humble sub-shop in Chagrin Falls is now revolutionizing the sub-world. Founded on the principles of quality ingredients, unique “cosmic” flavors, and a Rock'n Roll atmosphere, the original Dave's Cosmic Subs has been serving subs that rock since 1997. These legendary subs are poised for expansion across the nation for continued success. The brand is unveiling a fresh logo, new website, and mobile app, all aimed for growth and welcoming new franchise locations.

On this episode of Club + Resort Talks, Club + Resort Business Senior Editor Phil Keren speaks with Kevin Clarke and Nick Markel from The Country Club of Buffalo about their club hosting its second annual Sporting Clays Invitational on Nov. 3 and 4. Clarke, who chaired the event and served as captain of The Country Club of Buffalo's sporting clays team, talks about the details of the competition, while Markel, the club's General Manager, discusses the work that his staff performed behind the scenes. This year, The Country Club of Buffalo welcomed teams from six other clubs to the shooting tournament: Long Vue Club and Golf Course in Verona, Pa., The Country Club (Pepper Pike, Ohio), Medinah (Ill.) Country Club, The Country Club (Brookline, Mass.), Country Club of Rochester (N.Y.), and Kirtland Country Club in Willoughby, Ohio. The club is planning to welcome an expanded field in 2024. Phil and C+RB Editor Rob Thomas also talk about a man named Paul Mast helping Cedar Crest Country Club in Quincy, Ill. replenish one of its irrigation ponds. They also detail the plans for the construction of a Topgolf venue in Greensboro, N.C., and discuss Tanglewood National Golf Club in Chagrin Falls, Ohio, now operating under new ownership.

 With host retail coach Wendy Batten https://wendybatten.com/podcast-intro/   You are in for a very special holiday treat on this episode of the Creative Shop Talk Podcast, my friends! Joining me on this episode are three of my Level Up Mastermind and Retailer's Inner Circle members: Amy Cseh, Amy Hart, and Jeff Lee, all brilliant and longstanding independent retail shop owners who have been in the trenches and experienced ups and downs just like many. (Links to follow along with all of them are below.)   The interview, which originally aired exclusively in the Retailer's Inner Circle Facebook group, is FULL of holiday sales tips from these three seasoned shop owners.   Here are just a few of the sales tips we dug into: Take advantage of any of the events that are organized by the community or town.  Ensure your staff is well trained and knows exactly what you are trying to accomplish. Set specific numbers goals for your staff so they can be engaged and track progress. Know your customer base and anticipate what they are looking for. Don't “panic buy” merchandise just because you have FOMO or think that's what you should be doing. If you are an Inner Circle member, implement the sales strategies in the Sales Accelerator masterclass. (And if you aren't a member, maybe it's time to join the Retailer's Inner Circle!) Don't miss the after Christmas rush!  Customers want to shop that week between Christmas and New Year's. Have a plan for projected sales/buying plan for Q1. Sales will slow down after the holidays are over and you don't want to be caught off guard. There is a new masterclass that just released into the Inner Circle this week all about Open to Buy Inventory Management that all members have access to. Pay attention to your return rate per square foot. If something isn't selling fast enough, you may need to make a decision to downsize the display or get rid of the line completely. Plan your events & weekly emails ahead of time so you aren't missing personal things during the holiday season. It doesn't feel good to let personal things slide for the “sake of the store.” Do everything you can in advance, including personal things. (By the time this podcast airs, Jeff's house will have been fully decorated for Christmas for 2+ weeks!) Amy C.'s advice: “Bless and release!” You've trained your staff and they are good at their jobs. Schedule your days off and enjoy your time outside of your shop. YOU are the only one who is going to notice what doesn't get done. Know what your “no's” are and stick to them. If something is causing you stress, give it to a team member or simply don't do it.   If you are interested in joining the Level Up Mastermind, we are opening 3 seats and would love to hear from you. Now that you've “met” three of the retailers who are part of the Level Up Mastermind, you may have a better feel for who we are. Here is the link with more information.   About the Panelists: Jeff Lee owns The Vintage Nest Home & Gifts in Mount Holly, NC. Facebook | Instagram   Amy Cseh owns Schoolhouse Salvage in Chagrin Falls, OH. Facebook | Instagram   Amy Hart owns The Hare and the Hart in Thomasville, GA. Facebook | Instagram   Related podcasts we think you'll like:  Holiday Playlist: Favorite Holiday-Themed Creative Shop Talk Podcast Playlist Episode 182: Fresh Ways to Wow & Delight Your Customers This Holiday Season Episode 157: Best of Series: Growth Mindset with Jeff Lee Episode 133: Retailer Success Series: Community, Culture, and CEO Mindset with Amy Cseh Episode 78: Retailer Success Stories: Learning to Level Up with Amy Hart About your host, Wendy Batten In case we haven't met yet, I'm Wendy, a small business coach and founder of the Retailer's Inner Circle, where I help other independent shop owners learn how to gain the right business skillsets to see more profits, paychecks, and joy as they navigate running their retail business.  Through online classes, business coaching programs, speaking, and a top-ranked podcast, I've helped hundreds of retailers around the globe reclaim their dream and see the success they want from their beautiful shops. My signature private coaching community, The Retailer's Inner Circle, has helped retailers around the world build their retail business skill sets and confidence.  I am proud to have been featured in several major publications, including my own business column in What Women Create magazine. I have been privileged to be a guest on top-ranked podcasts and sought-after as a guest speaker and teacher for several brands, associations, and communities that are passionate about the success of independent retailers. When I'm not coaching, you will find me either DIYing and renovating my very imperfect old crooked cottage by the sea in the UNESCO World Heritage town of Lunenburg, NS, or blogging about our travel and RVing adventures and the weird fun things we get up to in our coastal village. I'd love to invite you to check out one of my free resources for real retailers at https://wendybatten.com/free-resources/    For more support from Wendy   Retailer's Inner Circle - Join Wendy inside the best retailer's community   Wendysources for shop owners    Hang out and connect with Wendy on IG    All of Wendy's programs and services for shop owners can be found HERE.  Subscribe & Review in iTunes Are you subscribed to my podcast? If you're not, I'd love you to consider it. Subscribing means you won't miss an episode! Click here to subscribe to iTunes! If you want to be more of a rockstar, I'd love it if you could leave a review over on iTunes as well.  Those reviews help other retailers find my podcast and they're also fun for me to go in and read. Just click here to review, select “Ratings and Reviews” and “Write a Review” and let me know what your favorite part of the podcast is. So grateful for you! Thank you!

jD, Dan from London, Pete and Tim are joined by a very special guest on this episode that is dedicated to the new reissue of Phantom Power for its 25th anniversary.And make sure to listen to the VERY END!Transcript:[0:05] On August 31st, 2023, The Tragically Hip dropped the first track from the Phantom.[0:12] Power 25th Anniversary box set, a song called Bumblebee.I will always remember this day because my friends Dan from London, Pete and Tim were in Toronto for our big live finale and the four of us were off to Kingston to visit the Bad Houseand sightsee the tragically hip scenes in Kingston.The first thing we did inside the car was fire up Bumblebee.It was so odd to hear something so familiar but so new to my ears.I hadn't heard this melody or these bending guitar licks before and I wanted more.[0:53] Lucky for us there are several other tracks included on this box set.Songs we either hadn't heard, or maybe we've heard snips and pieces of in live performances, or maybe on a bootleg.And of course there are complete song ideas that wound up on Gord's first solo record, Coke Machine Glow.There is also a fantastic live show from Pittsburgh, demos, and alternate versions of songs that did make the final cut.In essence, this is an exciting time to be a hip fan.Although we are all collectively gutted that we'll never see our boys on stage again, as long as I've been a hip fan, I've clamored for these songs that somehow wound up on the cuttingroom floor.And I'm sure you have too.[1:41] Today we'll get a sense of what Dan, Pete, and Tim think of the Reissue and we'll speak with a very special guest about the making of this spectacular box set and so much more.So sit back, relax, and let's start getting hip to the hip.Track 4:[2:23] Hey, it's Shadeen here and welcome back to Getting Hip to the Hip.This is an out-of-sequence bonus, episode for everyone.We are going to be talking today about the box set of Phantom Power, and I am joined as always by my friends Pete and Tim, and today's special guest again, Dan from London. How's itgoing, everybody?Well, Dan got his ears lowered, looks like Dan got his ears lowered.Yeah, I lost some hair over the course of the last thing, yeah.He was shorn. Maybe it was his younger brother stepping in. Yeah.[3:07] So fellas, when we last left off and we talked about Phantom Power, I recall the conversation really revolving around fireworks.You guys both really loved that song.Something On was a little underwhelming for you.You got into Poets, you thought that was a good kickoff and here we are just like six months after, not even six months, like four months after releasing that episode and The TragicallyHip goes out and releases a 25th anniversary box set of Phantom Power.So we thought it would be cool to get the band back together and talk about that for a little bit.And we'll be joined by a very special guest who we won't reveal quite yet.Is there anything that in particular, Pete or Tim, you remember about your experience with the record, thinking back, and Dan, for you following one of them, what was your experiencewith the record in general?[4:24] Um, it's funny because I went back and I found my notes from the original and it's it's just crazy to look at.It's like it's a it's a time it's a time capsule because, yeah, there were certain songs that was like, this is good.And like and now I look at, like, some of the songs that I was.[4:44] You know, Gugu and Gaga over and I love fireworks, but I mean, by by and far, you know, Bob Cajun is probably one of the most just, I mean, it's on loop in my home.So many, so many days. She also listens to it as well, right?Oh, yeah, she absolutely loves that song. We're listening to the live version today, we went for a hike.[5:07] And Cherrigan Falls. Poets is like, I think didn't, didn't, goodness, 50 Mission, didn't they?They came out with Poets when they played the live event.That song just, I had like one line written for that song. And this is the line, this is how sad it is. Dig it.Verse phrasing is key to the song. Lines go to the next measure.Layers and guitars. Nice. Now I'm just like, I hear that song.And I just fucking stop what I'm doing. And I just like, I fucking love that song.It's crazy how this album grew on me like a fucking virus. It's amazing.Timmy? Great. Yeah. Great, great question, JD, for sure.I mean, there's still a few on it that I'm not a super fan of, just to start off being negative here.Like, the rules to me is still a yawner, you know, but like, I kind of dig Chagrin Falls more than I did last time.I don't think I was anti, but in Emperor Penguin, I've read so many times across platforms that people love Emperor Penguin, and that song's slowly growing on me too. It's one of myfaves.There's still some really good ones in there.[6:31] Thompson Girl I could still live without. That's another one that grew on me, Timmy. I feel you, but I grew on it.With the new songs, and this is a question for a few minutes ahead, but somebody asked with the new songs, are any of those potential replacements for what's on the original?Oof. So yeah, that got me thinking a little bit.Tim, why do you always have to embroil things in controversy?I mean, that just is a controversial question.I mean, probably because of aliens, I guess. Oh, stop it.[7:15] Dan, what did you think of Phantom Power? I mean, Phantom Power is an absolute solid album.It's just a kicker, isn't it? I mean, I always love something on, I think it was the first track I got into off the album and I still absolutely love it. I think that song kicks ass.Something about the bass drum and the bass just driving it and the timing is just fantastic.Obviously, yeah, Bob Cajun.That always used to come on at a certain point on my commute when I was arriving at a certain station and I now still have overwhelming feelings when I pull into that station.[8:02] I can't believe how big a song can be, how overwhelmingly amazing a song can be.But yeah, I mean, the other stuff, I mean, Escape is at hand, I think, is just my favorite track on the album.You know, again, it's a whole other different story and different sentiment that it carries.And I don't know, I think that is a Bob Cajun and Escape is at hand, I think that just works a genius.And I can't say much more than that.Yeah. You know, the loss related with Escape Is At Hand is so relatable for me. And probably everybody.But I tend to live with you, Dan.I think Escape At Hand is... There's something about that song that just hits home, I think, probably for most people.[8:58] Maybe not sociopaths. I don't know. Maybe not.I think, Dan, you hit on the point. It's crazy how songs, even if you listen to them and enjoy them, it's like they get to a point where you've listened to them so many times, and perhaps thesame situation, like you said, pulling into that particular tube station or whatever it is, that maybe you don't hear it for a while, but then you hear it again, And, and just like a flood ofmemories and images come back.Just weird how the human brain works, man. I mean, this summer, we were go, go ahead.I mean, I just, I was just gonna say also in terms of that as well, it's the same station that I come into, I used to come into every time Fiddler's Green came on as well.So there's a time in all the albums where some of this stuff happens.[9:49] That's cool. That's cool. So have any of you guys had a chance to listen to the bonus tracks or the outtakes or the live show or any of it?And if you haven't, that's cool.All of it. All of it? Yeah. Yeah.I'm just happy to have more live music from these guys.For the obvious reason. It's a nice sounding show. So I read some kind of critique, so it's not the best sounding live show they played. I mean, who cares?I'm just happy to have more live music. That's an easy go-to wherever I am, in the car, on a plane, whatever.So as far as the new songs go? Yeah, back to your question.Yeah, I dig most of them. What's the best of the bunch? Eh, I don't know, I'm not there yet, I wouldn't say I'm there yet, I kinda like them all for different reasons.[10:52] Vegas Strip may be the least, but I like all these songs. I haven't gotten to it yet.It's my least favorite, but I still really like it.Yeah, like Songwriters Cabal isn't my favorite, but I love that song.Mystery, just lastly. Mystery is kind of a phenomenal ending to this group of songs.It's just this somber kind of tearjerker.Yeah, that was that was a happy listen. Joy meant either you fellas dabble.[11:31] I dabbled today and a couple of days last week, not yesterday, but I think Thursday and Friday in the fly stuff, which I concur with Timmy, I just love the live shit and I don't give afuck If it was a, you know, if it was a tape recorder jammed behind a, you know, bathroom stall and you got it picked it up in the background.It's just cool to hear this band live, but I loved it. Um, of the new tunes.I agree. I'm not there yet, but I, I got, um, I did hear bumblebee a lot when that came out, cause that dropped first, if I'm not mistaken, right. It dropped the day we went to Kingston.Kingston.So we got to it on the way to Kingston. That was fun. That's right.But I would say of the new tracks, I think the strongest one is Insomniacs. Me too.I just think it's very brawling, fucking harking back, just cool, fucking, just has that cool, easy, fucking hip, early shit to it.Early feels to it. Yeah, you know, has the road apples feel to it or something.Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree with that. I like that too. I could be swayed.[12:50] Okay. Dan? Yeah, and I mean for me, I've listened to the extra tracks.I mean, I still love Bumblebee.[13:04] There's something about that with the guitar bends, that like, I mean, I think we next sort of hear those kind of guitar bends on my music at work.Something very similar happens towards the end of that, doesn't it?But in terms of the live stuff, there's a few little things going on in there.I mean, obviously, when you get down to 100th Meridian, there's a kind of improvised extract of Bumblebee in there, which is fantastic.And also, in the Chagrin Falls live version, he breaks into Born Free, but in the alternate version of Chagrin Falls, he's singing Chagrin Falls with a Born Free kind of lilt to it.So there's these kind of little parallels between some of the stuff that's been chosen, I think.Yeah, so maybe that's the reasons for some of those selections.Yeah. To you for choosing this live this light those like cuts you mean I Think so. Yeah.Yeah. Yeah, there's definitely some some thread woven throughout.Yeah Too bad. We don't have anybody to ask We might get some insight from our special guest Yeah, we should kick to him right now.We'll go to a song and then we'll come in with our special guest Johnny fucking thing.Track 6:[17:35] Hello, hello, hello, hello, I hear you guys now. There we go. Oh good. Am I good?Am I good? Yeah Hello Hi johnny Good doing well Sorry about that Hi, that's my fault. Not yours.I'll take full credit for that We're just waiting for one more to join Okay, he's uh in the waiting room now.Oh, there he is amazing how everything just Clicked and then johnny came on because we were having some severe problems, Dan, can you hear us? Yeah, absolutely. Awesome. Can youhear me? Yeah. Grant.[18:18] How you doing technically there, Danny? Good. Can you hear me?I can hear you. I can see you.Perfect. So then are you done? Are you done taking the McDonald's in London?London? London. Yeah. Yeah. My dad, my dad's hometown. He's from Woolwich.Woolwich, really? Yes. Oh yeah. South of the river. And we got to Canada and some friends would say, are you from London, Ontario or London, England?And my dad would just shoot back, he'd go, there's only one, London.Ooh. Although they have a Thames where the Canadian one. Ooh. Anyway.[18:59] That's beautiful. Isn't there in London, Missouri or something, too? There's a London... Oh, they're all over the place.Yeah. What's the deal with that? What's the deal?I think there's one in India also. You can't throw a shoe without hitting a London, is basically what you're saying. Yeah.All right. Well, let's get things on the road here.Johnny, just a brief introduction. We've ran a podcast from May 2, 4 to Labor Day this summer, where I took my friends that have never heard of the hit before. One is in Spain, Malaga.One is in Portland, Oregon. That's Tim and that's Pete, who is from Spain.And then Dan is from London.And we took them through a record a week, starting with the Baby Blue record and working up to Man-Machine Poem and just.[19:54] Inculcated them into the world of Tragically Hip.We ended up with a big party at the end downtown at the Rec Room.We raised like almost four grand for Donnie Wenjack.Oh that's amazing. Incredible.Yeah, so that's our story. I'm sorry I had to get the The music stuffed down your throat like that.[20:19] Can you imagine doing it, Johnny, like of a band that you've never heard of, right?And I've heard of you guys, but like never heard of you guys. I mean, I never heard it.But it's crazy how we did get it literally shoved down our throats.And now we were going back today talking about Band and Power, about what our first reactions were for it.And even compared to now, how much everything's just grown on us.It's just like, and we're diehard fans now, but go back a year from today, we didn't know. That's incredible.Wow. It's crazy, man. Thanks for sticking with it. It's not always easy.My Spotify algorithm is still totally convoluted, but a lot of a lot of hit playing in there.So Johnny, let's start at the start and get to know a little bit about you as the drummer of The Tragically Hap.And youngest member of The Tragically Hap. That's right, that's right. It's a dig.[21:27] It's Gord Sinclair's birthday today, right? It is indeed.Yes. Yes. I had dinner with him and Paul the other night in Toronto, and we had a nice evening.And, you know, we're 40 years young next year.I was in high school when we started, and I guess here we are.Wow. Wow. Who, before you got into the band and as you guys were forming, um, you know, your sound and your, you know, cadence, who were your big influences?I've, I know Stuart Copeland came up at one point. Oh, without a doubt.Yeah. I've heard a story about an exam or something like that, that you missed.That's correct. Yeah, that's correct. Uh, and we later ended up working with Hugh Padgham, the great British producer. and Synchronously was coming out and it came out on the daybefore my.[22:29] My math exam for Mrs.Griffordy and Lynn got this record and I listened to it.I'd heard Every Breath You Take on the radio, but then when I heard Synchronicity II and just the blistering drumming of Stuart, I just had to drink it all in.I remember making the decision. I was like, I can listen to this record, I can study for the exam.If I don't study for the exam, I'm going to summer school, which I did.And then I took one day off to go see them at the Olympic Stadium in Montreal, but it was worth it because that was, that was really my education was living, eating and breathing.And if you were a drummer in the eighties, who, uh, the guy, he was instantly identifiable by a snare drum.Um, just the hit one snare drum, there was Stuart Copeland.So, And this was an era of drum machines, don't forget, this was Len drums and sequencers, and I loved all that stuff too, absolutely did, but to be on the radio, and Stuart was it, he was,and I'm still finding things out about him, that he held the drumstick between two fingers, he didn't hold it, he held it up here.[23:48] Instead of the two fingers, which is the traditional way to hold the drumsticks.But he invented a way to play and invented a kit, which was a sound, you know.And he really, I can't say enough things about Stuart Copeland.Yeah, he's amazing. But I'll also listen to Alan White of Yes, who was fantastic. and of course, you know, Neil Peart, Bob Rush.That's a pretty good pedigree.Well, you try and take a little bit from each guy, you know, you don't want to be a lab rat. You don't want to copy them.You want to just take all the little things you like the right hand from this guy, this snare drum from that guy, the bass drum.And of course, the great I saw him the other day, the Manu Katché, Peter Gabriel's drummer, who is the Picasso on the drums. He has hands down, Art Picasso on drums.High praise. Dan?Yeah, so yeah, those are your sort of past influences. But who do you enjoy listening to now? Who does it for you now?Well, it's really funny because what's on my turntable right now is Heavy Weather by.[25:12] Weather Report and I'm listening to Jaco Pastorius.I'm trying to get as much of him into me because he was the guy really, you know. You hear Geddy Lee talk about him, you hear.So I'm listening to a lot of bass players these days and loving it.So that's what's going on.[25:36] I gotta I gotta ask you, just because you mentioned synchronicity, this is just a this is just a note.And if you didn't know it, then I think we brought it up with Paul.But do you know that that record had 33 different covers?[25:53] I did, yes I did. I didn't know that I thought it had.I thought it had. Well, I guess it would because each guy was sort of on one of the strips and it changed.But I didn't know there were 33. 32 or 33. But yeah, it was when I found and some some versions are rarer than others. But that record is.And that song Mother is just nuts. And isn't Stewart Copeland singing that song?No, that song is Andy Summers, and I heard a story, they did part of it in the Moran Heights in Montreal and the engineer asked Hugh if he could bump himself off a cassette in the day.In those days there was no internet so it was cool. The engineers usually got to be able to do that.Here's a record I'm working on, just happens to be with the police.And he asked Hugh Padgham if he could leave that song off.A lot of people hated it. It's a hard song to listen to if you're not into the record. You know, what went into the trash bin was I Burned For You, that was slated to go on that record.And think about how that would have, you know, from Sting's soundtrack work, would have changed that record. Totally.[27:22] I'm a little curious of then and now also, when you first started playing drums, I raised a drummer.I have a 21 year old who plays drums.Awesome. Actually, yeah, the past year or so he's been out of the country and he's been more focused on DJing, techno of all things.But he's, you know, can hear kind of a drummer influence. But anyways, you know, we got him on hand drums early and drum lessons early.And I lived through, you know, a drum set in the basement.Just anywhere you went in my house, you had to go outside or take a call.It was just, you know, what was it like for you in your early years playing drums? Like what pushed you over to the drum set or being interested in it? And...Conversely, do you still play now? Do you still have access to a drum set or a drum set at home?[28:13] Great questions. Number one, my brothers had a friend who had a drum set and they said to me, they went and got the snare drum and they said, we'll get you the snare drum.And after a year, if you're still playing, we'll go get the rest of the drum kit.And I'm still playing. And so they Then I had an eye injury, which for three weeks I had both eyes sort of closed off with cotton batting.And it was a really weird, weird accident.I still, when I'm explaining it to people, my dad was on the phone.He was a pediatric cardiologist and he was talking to the hospital and we were at a friend's house.And it had this jar of erasers and pens and pencils and elastics and he was talking and I remember he had his hand on my head like that and I grabbed an elastic band and a pen, and I shotthe pen into my eye and yeah it was very bizarre I thought it was shooting at the other end so it went right in and I remember my dad saying to my mom don't touch it leave it leave it andshe was trying to pull it out and so I went in and my sense of hearing was heightened.[29:33] I could hear my dad walk down the hall after he had his morning rounds.I could hear the cadence of his footstep and so you know for that three weeks where I was unable to see, it just kicked that.At about seven years old into a different gear for me. I started hearing rhythm everywhere.As you do with your indicator of your car, to industrial sounds, trucks backing up. I can put a rhythm into it.Like your son, his, like you're saying about drumming, and now he's DJing, his internal clock is always going as a drummer because that's where it started. Absolutely.Yeah. So it's the same. Drummers are that way. You just pick those things up.And then second question. No, I'm not playing. I'm kind of doing what your son is doing with drum machines.But I have two drummers in the house, two nine-year-old boys.[30:29] And one is a lefty. And I would set a kit up for him and then my other son, Finn, and then I would forget about Willie.And then, so I just said, well, I'm going to set it up on the left for you because he has a great acoustic kit, a set of Gretsch 1960s.And now I play left because I'm not the drummer that I'm not, you know, I'm not that drummer anymore. So now I'm discovering all kinds of new things about playing on the left side, andleft-handed drummers I find are way more creative.It's funny you mentioned that because we often notice when I've gone to shows with my son, we'll just say immediately that guy's left-handed.You just see it like that. That's very cool.Ringo was left-handed, they say, and that's why no one could ever duplicate the way he got around the kit.Yeah. His left hand pushed his right hand, I think.Phil Collins, Ian Pace, they're not good drummers.They're incredible drummers. Those two guys for me, Ian Pace and Phil Collins.Phil Collins, the stuff that I listened to today, and I'm like, how is he doing that?How is he doing that? He was incredible.He really was. He is incredible.[31:48] Johnny, you've been hard at work on the Phantom Power reissue, the box set, the amazing box set.I got it last week, and it was so fun to open and just touch the vinyl, and the book that's inside is really wonderful.I'm just, I'm so curious what a project like that.[32:17] Entails like from a from a time perspective. And I know you guys are hard at work on another one for next year.Like, when does that begin? And what does that process even look like?Like, is it just climbing Everest or what?It's really fun. It's really great therapy for us.You know, we get to talk about the past and if one guy doesn't remember it, someone else will.We have weekly calls and it's fun.We didn't do any therapy after Gord passed away and we really should have.We have just all kind of dealt with things and I think really right now that this is our therapy.I'm in Toronto, so that's where the tapes are. I'm very happy to do it and we're digitizing things and Phantom Power was a different one because it was in different formats.It was on D88, little digital tapes.[33:11] DAT machines were around and kicking at that time.We also had our 2-inch machine and then Pro Tools, the dreaded Pro Tools was coming in.Well, you didn't have to make a decision and you could have a hundred tracks on something and and I was like the you know There was such economy when we were going to tape andAnd I really liked that.So, you know, if you look at the early records, we're still I, Think there's the most that we used was 18 tracks You know Don Smith would consolidate things and that was really a goldenperiod So, it's not as daunting as you think, it's been fun, it's been fun, it's been a discovery.[34:00] You know, to listen to some of those tracks and hear Gord Downie speaking in between takes is really these beautiful moments.So yeah, it's been a lot of fun.Robbie is in charge of the box set, putting it all together.So he's doing all of that stuff.And you know, Gord and Paul are very involved in it. But they have solo careers too.So, um, you know, uh, but we are, we're all together on this.Uh, it's not me, uh, just doing, um, the tape stuff there. They're involved in it too. Very cool.Yeah. I mean, I was going to ask in terms of the project from the offset, uh, you know, when you're going through the tapes and covering all of these tracks and these, these different takesof the tracks that you have, what, what shape, you know, with those tracks in, did they require a lot of work to get them up to spec, or was there anything that was kind of left off that was,you regard as pretty good, but it was still a bit too rough around the edges to include?[35:04] Well, if we did any editing back in the day, if it was tape, we would do chunk editing.We would take the ending of one, with the hip, we would play a tune, it'd be great, be great and we would get close to the end and then we'd anticipate the ending and I'd make the otherguy speed up so we get to it and then our producer would say well the ending of this one's good so let's take the last four bars so there we go there's the track.So they were in pretty good shape you know the tape that we got was really forgiving.The crazy thing is I heard about the Rolling Stones going back and doing stuff that they did in the early 60s.And the early 60s tape actually lasted better than the stuff they made in the 80s.They had to do very little to get them back into shape, which is cool.You got to bake them in what essentially is an easy bake oven for tapes at a low temperature and it just sucks all the humidity out.And so record companies are obviously very well prepared to do all that sort of stuff and then it's just digitizing them.But when you first have a go through the tape after it's been baked and it's coming off the head and going through a board at the studio, it never sounds better.You know and they shoot it over to Pro Tools and they say now we have it We've have it and I always say well it sounded better a few minutes ago when it was going through the machineand so, Yeah Tape is king.We lived in the Golden Age. We really did in the in the 80s and 90s When you when you still were spinning tape.[40:59] So I imagined with coming across tapes, you guys did so much work, you know, in the recording process that I imagined it was just so fun to go through. It has been.It was, you know, but, you know, talk about Bob Cajun being an example.We only really have two versions of that.[41:23] And Gord Sinclair and I had a conference and we were like, well, we can play that again and we can play it better. And we were like, yeah, let's do it.And so the version you hear is the demo version, really.It's just we said we would go back and address it later. I think we went on tour and then it was Steve Berlin listening to it, which was really cool because he he recognized you can't beatyour demo.And that's what bands try and do.And he was so smart with it. And he said, I'll let you play it again.But you're not going to beat this. It's just there's a vibe there.And Gordon and I were like, we're going to beat it. We're going to do it. And we never did.And so I always loved that, that he did that because as a producer, I wouldn't have done that.And I would have screwed it up if I was producing that record.And he had the brainpower and the knowledge and he'd made so many great records before that he just, he let us play it, but we never beat it.It's our biggest song, too. Well, we were talking before, I absolutely love that song.That song is the soundtrack of this past summer for my wife and I.You jammed it down her throat. Oh, yeah. She drank the Kool-Aid, man.Let me tell you. She sure did.I've tried. We're getting there.[42:46] That's the pocket of that song, in my opinion, and this is my opinion, and if Robbie was here, I'd maybe change it just to be sweet to him, but it's you and Gord.It's just that the pocket's so tight with that.But you said something earlier about tape, and I want to just touch on it real quick because you were talking about how they have Pro Tools and this and that, and how you would havemade a different decision with Bob Cajun.But we cut a record in this last March, our band, we did our second record.And the engineer was using Cubase, which is just another version of Pro Tools or whatever.You've got a million, you can do a million tracks. But like he was like, no, you're going to do this many. And I'm like, no, I don't like that.He's like, nope, that's it.Yeah, because you get to a point to where you could just you just go crazy.And you could do 25, 30 tracks, you know, on one take or 25, 30 takes.And it's just it's stupid at that point.You've got to appreciate the moment that it is, you know, whether it's, you know, you're never better than your demo, like you said. You know? Yeah.And and I don't know, I guess.[44:01] There was, and not to get off the topic of, of, of, of Phantom Power, but for me, and I know we all had this, this reaction.We felt like I felt like In Between Evolution was the Johnny Faye record.[44:17] Really? Yeah, and there's... I don't remember that record, really.Well, yeah, there's a specific thing. That's crazy because there there's at the end of certain songs, there's little, you know, hi-hat touch, there's a rimshot, there's just little sprinkles of youthat is the last sound you hear on multiple tracks and or, or the beginning of a track.And I'm like, I wonder if there's something to this, but they must have just been the take that you guys did and it's taking up, maybe so.That was confusing record.Well, it's interesting about the tape to dress the tape thing.Yeah. And you have limitations. You got to make decisions.Uh, and you know, and I didn't say that I read Keith Richard's book and he was like, give me eight tracks and I'll write you a hit.And, you know, when they went to 16, he was like, man, okay, but I can still do it. Nay. And it's true.Um, you know, that, that the a hundred guitar tracks or whatever, the layering and, and, uh, it's just, you know, it goes, just lets up on records, John Bonham.I worked with a guy named Terry Manning and he had, John Bonham got very upset with him because Terry Manning said to me, I was the guy who put the third microphone on thedrums, he didn't like that, he only wanted two.[45:36] Only wanted two. So yeah, Inbetween Evolution was, we worked with Adam Casper, he was fantastic, obviously he's a guy who worked with Pearl Jam and we were very chuffedabout working for him, with him.And we seemed to move around studios a lot.For me that was a little bit confusing, so I never knew what we really had in the can.And it was in Seattle, where I love. I absolutely love Seattle.And so that was cool to be there. But yeah, I don't sort of...It's just a record that's easy to associate with you.And I think at that time too, we were looking at videos. I remember talking about this video I saw of you.You were so in the friggin zone playing live.You broke a cymbal and somebody just came like middle of the song.You just kept going along, replace cymbal.That would be Mike Cormier. He was my drum check and he was amazing.He could tell when they were broken. He sort of mid-song and he'd say, should I wait for the end of the song? I was like, no, just get rid of it.[46:44] Yeah, you know, we're going through something now where we're going back even further and with Up To Here.And a question was asked earlier about is there some songs that were left off?And there was a song that was left off, Up To Here, and it's called Wait So Long. and it was a really, really special song.Our producer and his manager and some people at the record company really thought that that was the lead track.[47:15] It ended up being Blow It High Dough, I believe.Or New Orleans is sinking. But Wait So Long is a great track, and that will come out next year.Oh, that's exciting. We have a mix of it and everything from Don Smith, so that's fully intact.So when we looked through the tapes and thought, oh, what do we need to remix?There was that one, you know, the lettering. It was like, okay, we got that one.So that'll be great to get out.You know, hear what people think about that. So one of our go ahead, Judy.So I have an ammo system set up at home. So I've been listening to the mix and Dolby Atmos.And I'm just curious about how that works when you're when you're doing a mix of that because there are instrumentations and sounds that I've never heard in those songs before.And now all of a sudden, they're they're shooting over my head.And it's, it's really fucking tremendous. It's a great way to experience music.But I just wonder what it's like.Do you have a mixer that just takes care of that?Because I noticed there was there's three writing credits for mixers on the Yeah, on the album.So I'm just curious if one is just for Dolby Atmos, sir.Yeah, well, we had a guy in the first couple, I think he did Road Apples.[48:43] And his name is Rich Chicky, and you might know him because he's done all the Rush stuff.He's like the Rush in-house guy for Atmos.Since then, we've had our key engineer, Mark Braykin, has been doing the Atmos stuff because he built an Atmos room.[49:00] You're right on this one. Phantom Power has a lot of stuff. I was sitting in the back of the room when they were mixing that and it's like there's some backwards guitars and somestuff that just goes out and it makes sense.I'm not gonna lie, I'm not the hugest fan of, I get it, you know, let's send the hi-hat into outer space, changes the groove, changes the groove for a five-piece band, we're not gonna lie.[49:29] On an album like Road Apples, which Rich did, and he did a great job.I just don't get it. On Phantom Power, which would be the closest thing that we would ever have to Dark Side of the Moon, I get it.You sit in the back of the room and hear the backwards guitar or stuff swirling around. It's cool.But I know people want this in their headphones, but I guess I'm a little bit like Monomix guy.I don't mind that either. I love it. I love that. Yeah.Dan? I'm with you, Joni.[50:04] Coming back to the other aspect of the box set, which is the live recordings, I mean, what criteria do you sort of use for selecting the live recording?I mean, out of the three that have been, you know, re-released.[50:18] Obviously one was the Horseshoe, but the other two have been from, like, American venues.Would you perhaps, like, choose the American gigs because they might be lesser known to a predominant Canadian audience?Or, I don't know, how do you choose? We pick a gig that has fewer clams in it and less mistakes.We just kind of really, we really do.We did a live record called Live Between, it was way back in the day, and we argued about this.We had really sort of a good old fashioned fight about it.And Gord Downie wanted one from this place called the 40 Walk Club, which we'd listened to and it was a great, great version.It was a great night.And it's where REM, I think, got their start.And so we were sort of between that and another couple.[51:12] And then we ended up picking Detroit because it sounded good.Um, I think that's kind of what we go on when we're, we're picking these, um, these live, uh, albums and Gord Sinclair's son, um, is the one who really goes through them and says, there'ssomething here.He knows the hip really well. And so he really kind of directs us.So there's so many tapes out there. Um, and so he, he sort of says this one, um, from, uh, Chicago second night, a house of blues.This, this one's got something there. And so Colin Sinclair is really in charge of that.I don't think any other guy in the hip can take credit for it.[51:52] Can I just ask as well then, so what percentage of hip shows do you think were actually recorded, you know, documented?[52:00] It would depend on the period. One tour we went out with D88 machines, other eras we let people tape, like Fish Show or Grapevold Head, we would set up a little area where theycould get stuff off the board.That was cool. And there were some remote stuff, not a ton of 24-track, tape stuff. We would do stuff for Westwood One.Most of this stuff is going to be in-house, or a record company generated through a live truck, Usually in LA or New York, we have one coming up from a show we did in the States forRecord Day next year.Not a ton. There's not a ton. Two scoops in this session. That's great.That are coming out?[53:05] You mentioned Zeppelin too. I was going to ask you about Hedley Grange, but I forgot what I was going to say. You know where Bonham did that thing with the, for, for, um.[53:16] When the levee breaks, you know, yeah, they put the mics up on the stairs. God, that's so cool.But, but no, that was Jimmy. That was Jimmy Page. That was Jimmy Page doing that.He engineered page based on that. That's that's such a it's such a I mean, never in in history. Can anybody recreate that sound? I mean, it's just so cool.No, the sound of like a double bass almost, but people people don't understand that there's the economy of it.If you worked with one of These older guys, I always say that Don Smith was like Rudy Van Gelder, he got it.He knew, he kept on coming into the studio, back in the control room.He would make the live room, the studio sound, the control room sound like the live room. And he was constantly tweaking like that.[54:02] The guitar, if you listen to the Zeppelin, it's all the stuff that's implied in the chords I think.The drums are what everything is hanging off of. The guitars are really quite small, you know, you know, there's these these bands that came out in the 80s that were trying to be likeZeppelin, use 24 microphones on the drums.It sounded horrible, you know, and for John Bonham, it was just the way he played. He was really good.Incredible jazz sensibilities, an incredible groove. And he was able to move, you know, all four of those guys were spectacular.We went on the road with them. We went on the road with them, Paige and Plant, through the States, and it was incredible.[54:49] Yeah. Never a nicer, never a nicer guy than Robert Plant. He was so, so nice.Oh, yeah. That's that's, that's, that's amazing.Yeah, I'm a huge, I'm a huge Zep fan. But I just got to ask you real quick about the song Fireworks.Is there, there's got to be some Rush influence in that. I just hear so much like spirit of the radio in that tune.It's just such a, I think that when that song, when we heard that song on this record, Tim and I both, I was like, that was for our first favorite song on this record. Oh, that's sweet.[55:26] Don Smith's mix on the box set is really interesting.Because for Phantom Power, where we mixed it three different times.Yeah, I mean, Neil, I got to meet him a couple of times.He was obviously a huge influence and I would say, yeah, yeah.I went trick or treating as him one year. I crank called him.[55:50] Oh my gosh, amazing. Love Rush, man, love Rush.J.D. be mindful of the of the clock too on the thing. You're on mute.Yeah, we can't hear you, J.D.Oh, sorry about that, guys. I was just going to say we've got a minute 45 left of this session before it cancels out.So, Tim, if you've got a quick one and then we'll bid adieu.Well, I just had one of our pod listeners asked about Bumblebee and basically was like, why didn't this make the album?You know, this it could fit in there so well. So just a quick comment on that.And yeah, yeah, that was one that was that was on on the list.And I think it just, we just sort of Gord Sinclair was putting the sequences together for that.And it just for us, there was just something maybe missing. It's really great.[56:46] And I love the line when the moon's a water balloon.It just is so great. That's so Gord. You know, yeah.And I look at every time I look up at a supermoon and it looks like a water balloon. I think it's very cool.Well, it made the box set. So that's, yeah, that's important.Yeah. Well, Johnny, we really want to thank you so much for your time.It means a lot. And thank you gents for, for all your promotion to the hip. Our pleasure.Keep ramming, keep ramming it.Hopefully not your family. They love it too. It happens.Track 1:[57:29] Thanks for listening to Getting Hip to the Hip. Please subscribe, share, rate and review the show at gettinghiptothehip.com.Find us on Twitter and Instagram at gettinghippod.And join our Facebook group at facebook.com slash groups slash fully and completely.Questions or concerns? Email us at JD at getting hip to the hip.com.We'd love to hear from you.Track 6:[58:25] I can't wait for the music at work box set as well, just so you know, just so you know, we're dying for that one. Oh yes, please, please.I'll tell you, I'll tell you the one that I was listening to last night and the demos are really great and and I'm really pushing for this one is in violet light.Oh yes. Yeah. In violet light. The demos were just incredible.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/gettinghiptothehip/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Caleb interviews Bob Scott from Lowe's Greenhouse of Chagrin Falls, Ohio, a full-service landscaping and garden center business that has been in business for nearly 100 years in the Cleveland area. Caleb and Bob discuss the history of Lowe's Greenhouse and how they navigated the challenges of the pandemic while continuing to serve their local community. NEW Hardscape Mastery Summit Announced March 1st-2nd, 2024 | Secure Your Spot! Lawn Care Life Conference - Reserve Your Spot! https://www.companycam.com/podcast Auman Landscape on YouTube www.companycam/kcpodcast 14 days FREE and 50% off the first 2 months Linktree/AumanLandscape @aumanlandscapellc www.CycleCPA.com  Use code "Auman" save $200 when signing up. Green Foundry Co. SteinerTurf.com Unilock.com bartellglobal.com LMN Software Code: AUMAN25 latux Diamond Blades: Auman NDS Drainage Certification Lawntrepreneur Academy LIVE Mailing Address: Caleb Auman  PO Box 203 Carroll, OH 43112

Chagrin Falls local Kristen Thalman is in studio this week! We talked a little business, then we hit on a topic that flowed so naturally into an open and honest “mom talk” conversation — intuition. We got philosophical about what it means to be our own highest authorities in our businesses and in our lives. Plus we dove into how we've become so much more aware of the how we do our work and how we use our words as our kids have become our audiences, watching and learning from our every move. Kristen coaches women in real estate using the lessons she's learned from decades of being an agent herself. She recognized how common it was in her industry to feel constantly overwhelmed from trying to do everything and saying yes to as many opportunities as possible. So her approach in her Advanced Agent Academy is simple: let's find your own clear, simple path to earning and maintaining business. Just one! And watch how things grow when you can pour your focus and energy into one thing instead of ALL the things. SHOW NOTES Learn more about Kristen Kristen's Website. Even if you aren't in the real estate biz, give this a peek! We love how she outlined her clients' pain points and their dream outcomes Follow Kristen on IG: @kristen_thalman

In this inspiring episode, I had the privilege of sitting down with Shari Hunter of Two & Company, a family-run, mission-driven company based right here in Chagrin Falls, OH. Let me tell you…. her story is truly inspiring. Shari's journey as a mom and entrepreneur started with a love for her son, Derek, and a mission to make sure his medical diagnosis of Downs Syndrome never defined who he is. In supporting Derek, Shari realized there are so many other amazing men and women in our community who are looking for the same encouragement, support, inclusion and equity that she offered her son. Enter, Two & Company, where Shari and her team (including her 3 kids: Derek, Tiffany and Christian) not only run a cafe and boutique but use those spaces as job training grounds for those they serve. Through job readiness programs, Two & Company helps their graduates learn new skills, uncover their passions and then, through their partnerships with over 80 companies here in Cleveland, finds them a job they'll love- kickstarting their independence journey. During our conversation, we specifically dove into: the power of inclusivity, the significance of hands-on learning and the results they've seen when pairing these together. Shari believes that everyone deserves to be seen for who they truly are, beyond any labels or limitations. Her vision for The Two is all about building a community that embraces diversity and celebrates the unique strengths of each individual. Let's support The Two and help build a community where everyone is valued and empowered. Learn more about Two & Company: Two & Company Website Donate to their Capital Campaign Follow them on IG: @2andcompany SUBSCRIBE + REVIEW SO YOU DON'T MISS A THING Apple Spotify Follow us on Instagram: @mompreneur_co Check out our Podcast Studio for Mompreneurs Book a Studio Tour Learn about our Mom Podcasting Retreats Join the Mompreneur Directory

In this episode of Real Talk, KJK Student Defense Attorneys Susan Stone and Kristina Supler are joined by Mark Coffin, the owner and President of Academy Custom Test Prep.  In this episode, they talk about the sweep changes coming to the SAT.  Topics include what big changes are coming to the SAT, how colleges are responding to those changes, and what strategies students should consider when preparing for either the SAT or ACT. Links: Academy Custom Test Prep:  https://academycustomtestprep.com/ Show Notes: (01:45)  What are the Big Changes to SAT in 2024 (04:49)  How will the SAT be different? (06:58)  Some Key Differences Between the SAT and ACT (07:34)  What the new SAT Focuses on with Reading and Grammar (09:52)  The Mysterious Logic Behind Taking the SAT Online (12:08)  The Biggest Change to Taking the SAT (12:54)  Cheating: Varsity Blues Scandal Explained (14:10)  All Scores are Not Created Equal (14:33)  Adaptive Tests:  Are They Equal? (17:08)  Will Colleges Know if You Got a Hard or Easy Test? (18:15)  Will the new SAT be of Any Value? (18:39)  The Response from ACT (19:55)  Do Colleges Prefer SAT over the ACT? (21:37)  Should Students Go with the ACT? (22:43)  A Simple Strategy Students Can Use to Prepare for the SAT (24:40)  How Colleges Are Responding to the SAT Changes (26:33)  Tutoring versus Self-Prep:  What works better? Susan Stone: Kristina, is this the first time we're recording a podcast and we're not together?  Kristina Supler: It is and it feels weird. I feel so alone.  Susan Stone: I was gonna say, I feel so disconnected from you. This is so weird everyone. You know that we're always attached at the hip, but I'm in New York and I.  Kristina Supler: I'm in our studio in Cleveland, Ohio, and, we're gonna do this with technology today, and I think we're gonna be talking about technology a lot today. Susan, what are we talking about today?  Susan Stone: Oh my gosh. We're gonna talk about the changes to the SAT because there's a lot happening and I'm gonna also wanna delve into, is the ACT gonna do the same thing, it's. The time of year where everybody's trying to get their last scores in before college applications go out. So good time for this talk. And, with that, why don't you introduce our guest?  Kristina Supler: Sure. We are joined today by Mark Coffin. Mark's the proud owner of Academy Custom Test Prep. ACT P helps students with the ACT , SAT, P-SAT and GRE tests, as well as common app essays and other college admissions essays. So Mark, thanks for joining us today.  Susan Stone: Happy to be here.  So Mark, big changes are coming to the SAT in 2024. Yeah. Complete. Describe the dun da. So can you describe the changes?  Mark Coffin: Sure. It's a complete revamp. The, college board who, runs both the P-SAT and SAT testing, they make up the tests and score 'em and all that. They made major changes to the SAT in 2016. So this isn't a long time for them to have had this new test. They made it then much closer to the ACT. Now effective with the P-SAT. This fall they're given traditionally in the high schools to juniors, sophomores, and juniors in October of each year. So this fall, both sophomores and juniors will take the new version of the P-SAT, which will be very much like the new version of the SAT. The first new SAT will be in March of 24. So current juniors who pretty much have already taken some of these tests, have taken the old s a, the current SAT. The new one will be for current sophomores and younger kids starting next March. Now a current sophomore could in fact take SAT tests this fall. There are, four testing dates. And take the current version on paper. But starting with March, it's going to be a very different format, for a number of reasons. Number one, the test is gonna be completely online. So there'll be no printed tests. Students will take it at testing centers, not at home, designated as they do now, but they can use their own computers or they, a computer will be provided when they go in and get ready for the test and start, their computer will basically be frozen. So they can't use it for research or texting or anything else they might want. And they download through a link, the new SAT test. And so they will have their own test on their machine or on a provided machine that's online and everything must be done online. The test will be shorter. It's currently a little over three hours. It's gonna be two hours. They're shortening it by combining some of the sections and reduce, just simply reducing the number of questions. The current SAT has a reading section. And a writing or grammar section. And those will now be, those are now separate sections. You finish one and then go on when the time's up to the next one. And then it current one has two math sections. One without a calculator. You can't use a calculator. And then one with a calculator. And again, you do the non calculator. You finish when the time's up. You go on to the next one.  Susan Stone: Mark. I just wanna interrupt, how did they know whether you have a calculator or a non calculator? Do the proctors manage that? Yeah, the proctors.  Mark Coffin: The proctors are walking around and they see you with a calculator. you're kicked out. so  Kristina Supler: it sounds like it's almost, it's a really different test.  Mark Coffin: It's different in a lot of other ways too. One hugely important way, which I'll get to after I've covered the more, the simpler questions. So the current two sections that are reading and grammar, they call it writing and language, are gonna be combined into one section so you don't finish big. That's a big, that's a big change. That's a big change. In the, reading part, in the current test, you generally have around 11 paragraphs to read, eight to 11, and then you answer 10 or 11 questions about each paragraph. So you have to be not only a perceptive reader, but a pretty quick reader because I'll give you a lot of time. The current, the new test will reduce this, I think, to four passages for the reading with one question and just be a paragraph with only one question per paragraph. The, reasoning is that students will have more time to absorb the material and answer one sort of more broader question about the point of the paragraph so they have more time to ponder it in effect.  Susan Stone: Mark,  Kristina Supler: is that easier?  Yeah, it sounds like they're in some ways watering the test down. Am I wrong?  Mark Coffin: The questions are not easy. I don't think it's easier. It's easier in the time sense. You're not hurried to read a paragraph and answer 10 or 11 questions. Because you have to have pretty good recall to read a paragraph and then immediately go to the questions and remember 11 different answers. Now it'll be one answer. And I've taken a practice test. Khan Academy, which many people are familiar with, is Sure. An online practicing entity for basically the SAT. They now have a couple of these, new format practice tests. And I've taken one, the question's not, I'm not a junior in high school, so I may be somewhat better at taking these tests than some kids, but,it's a fairly difficult question, I thought for a junior. Susan Stone: Okay. So sorry to, they're taking  Kristina Supler: the time management pressure out of it, but the substance of the questions is still weighty.  Mark Coffin: Yes, I think so. The. Yeah, they're trying to give kids more time. The SAT compared to the ACT has never been a time crunch. The way the ACT is. The ACT is much more direct, and so there are many more questions in the same three hour period. For example, the math section in the ACT is 60 questions in 60 minutes. you gotta move. SAT was never that time crunch. But they're dropping it from three hours to two dramatically reducing the number of questions. The whole idea is to make it, an easier test, frankly.  Susan Stone: So let's go back. What are the other changes, cuz I wanna make sure we cover 'em all.  Mark Coffin: I told you they combined the two reading and grammar. Grammar will have much more emphasis on vocabulary. The SAT before they changed it in 2016, was much more of a vocabulary test than the then new SAT. They reduced the, you really had to study vocabulary if you took an SAT in 2005. Kristina Supler: so are we back to that? Are we back to studying vocabulary?  Mark Coffin: I think so, somewhat. The but they'll, there'll be more emphasis on vocabulary, not so much, you don't have to define words, but they will have a blank in a sentence and ask you which word best fills in that blank. So you don't have to know the definition, but you have to know pretty much the context of words, how they're used. And in some words will be absurd. You just wouldn't use 'em. It might be farmer, where the right word is horse. I'm using simplistic examples, but you would never put farmer in the, in that blank. So some of them will be obvious, but some won't be. It'll be difficult. So anyway, those are two of the changes. The, making the math all, maybe I didn't get to that. The math is now gonna be all with a calculator, fewer questions than the two previous sections. But you can use a calculator anywhere. And you don't bring a calculator. The calculator is on the screen. One of the big changes with this test going online is that you have to be adept at taking the test online. With a paper test going forwards and back, skipping a problem, but coming back to it later because you circled it on your paper. Those things are second nature to kids now. I'm much older than a junior in high school. I think many of these kids are much more adept at online testing than I am.  Kristina Supler: There's all sorts of online testing now, for sure. Yeah, I Susan Stone: know, but I would struggle because I remember that taking the SAT and seeing something that was challenging, saying, okay, I'm gonna come back, and I would just jot where to go back. But now you've got a manage and negotiate everything on the screen.  Mark Coffin: Well, you can have to help with that. You can have scratch paper, obviously you can't bring anything other than blank paper. They'll provide scratch paper. So you can write down section one. I wanna come back to number 11 or something. But you still gotta be able to do it on the screen. Now there are arrows. Kids know how to do that. But it's another step I think thatIt just makes it, for me, it makes it much more challenging to take this test online. So essentially those are the format is largely the same. The material tested largely the same. Just many fewer questions. Their thinking is that by making it shorter and online, I don't know how they come up with this logic, but that it will appeal to many more kids. That it'll be fairer. I don't know what makes this fairer. That's what they put in their press releases, that they think more kids will take it. I think that may be true, but not because they've improved the test. I think kids will be, a p will be attracted by the two hours instead of three. These tests are no fault.  Susan Stone: for sure.  Kristina Supler: So were these, what motivated, or caused SAT to make these sweeping changes?  Mark Coffin: There's no question that these tests, ACT or SAT are culturally biased. If you come from a good school system, a nuclear family, maybe get prep work, tutoring, you have a huge advantage over a student that doesn't have those things. So that makes the score. The score is it's almost a. It's hard for an inner city kid, for example, to score, and many do nonetheless, but they have a bigger hurdle to get the kind of scores that a kid's kid from a top flight, public or private school can get.  Kristina Supler: So in other words, if you have resources, you can game the test. Mark Coffin: I tell people only partly inject ingest that academy's job is to be a legal cheater. Our job is to train these kids interesting, to improve the on the test. And think of this as a move on an athletic field. Think of prepping as a move on an athletic field or learning in an instrument or lines in a play. If you do the test over and over in practice, you're just simply gonna get better.  Susan Stone: Yeah, but Mark, my understanding of the TE biggest test change is that students will get different tests cuz the computer will spit out different questions based on how you do.  Kristina Supler: Is that true? I'm gonna track you, Susan? Is that what you're getting at?  Mark Coffin: There's two parts to that answer, and it's the biggest change. The first part is everyone in the room will have a different test. Forget the adaptive nature I'll get to next. Every, the person sitting next to you will have a different test than yours. I believe. That's simply a plain attempt to stop cheating. You can't look at the person next to you and see what they're answering. Not only is it online, but they have a different test. They're gonna have, 17 is gonna be a different question for John than Mary.  Susan Stone: so you can't use AI to help you with the test. Kristina Supler: No. This was one thing I was wondering as well, aside from ai, is this some sort of response to the varsity blues, matter and all the cheating that happened just a couple years ago?  Mark Coffin: That was pretty genius, frankly, what that guy did it, it hinged on you moving your test center to one of his. And to do that was very simple. He said, I've got a wedding that day in Texas and can I take the test there? Yeah, sure. And you take the test to his test center and he either, gave you the answers or he had someone else take the test.  Susan Stone: Just sit there. Yeah. That wouldn't have prevented varsity blue because he actually I agree had someone take the test for you. But you won't be able to really move test centers, correct?  Mark Coffin: No. I don't know that. You go, you still go to a test center, so I guess that same argument still applies. But obviously they're paying much more attention. That was a, he called it a side door. And of course the bad part of that was that he had athletic coaches, letting a guy who lives in a desert get in on the crew team kind of thing. Susan Stone: But the question is, now that everybody has a different test, how do you compare? How can a school say, look at Johnny Smith versus Johnny Jones. And if they both have a 1300, how do you compare? Cuz they're two different tests,  Kristina Supler: right? Not all 13 hundreds are created equal with an adaptive test, right? Mark Coffin: Yeah, that's correct. And of course some kids are better at certain phraseology, better re even though you end up with the same score, you might do well on certain questions that the other guy didn't do well on. But it comes out to the same score because vice versa. And other questions. The yeah, there is no comparative value that I can see. and I haven't even gotten to the big change. Susan Stone: Okay. give us the big change. Yeah. wait,  Mark Coffin: take us there. I'll one more comment though, on the sitting next to people with different tests. The college board maintains that the test, no matter being different, they're equivalent. Well, that's a value judgment. And I don't know how you That's a great comment. How you can really ascertain that or say it with a straight face. If it's a different test, by definition, it's not compar comparable. So you're right. So that's a fairly big change right there. But here's the killer. The tests are now gonna be adaptive, meaning I, I mentioned, I think I mentioned before, that when you do the verbal part, the reading and the grammar. They're gonna be two modules. And the same thing with math. Two modules. So when you finish the first one, say the, reading in, in grammar, the program is gonna analyze how you did and either give you harder questions for the second module or easier ones. So if you screw up early on, even if you're brilliant, and then just half asleep and start off slowly, you're gonna get easier questions. Same thing in the math. After the first module, they're gonna adjust the following questions. That also will adjust the score you can get the maximum score is gonna stay still. 1600, 800, 800 on the two sections. Which is pretty hard to get by the way. But the maximum score now will be essentially 1200. So if you get in both sections, the easier Second module, your score will be capped in each section at 600, so two would be 1200. Even if you answer the second module, both the verbal and the math perfectly, your score can't go over 1200, or maybe it's 1225. It's not specific, but it's low 12 hundreds. And it's nowhere near 1600. Now if you, obviously, if you do well in the sections, you get the harder questions and your maximum score could be the 1600. But this means, again, Everyone is taking a different test that when you start changing the second module from the first module. And by the way, the first module is already different, and now you're gonna change the second one. What possible value do two scores have when be like a batter's batting average when they're in a different ballpark against a different pitch. It's not the same ballgame.  Susan Stone: Mark, will colleges have any way of knowing that? Let's say Kristina and I both took it. I got an easy version. She got a hard,  Mark Coffin: I. Not in anything I've read. I don't believe so. It's a very good question. But I don't think colleges will know. college board has been quiet on that and colleges have been crickets on this. They haven't said anything basically about this new test. Part of that is because it's not in their ball ballpark yet. The kids that are gonna be taking this test, are gonna be next year's juniors. They don't apply until the fall of senior year. So we're two years away from colleges even having to think about these scores. D do they matter or not?  Kristina Supler: Well, it's interesting to think about the change, really significant changes in the SAT coupled with the affirmative action ruling from the Supreme Court. You know how that the trickle down effect of both those changes on the college admissions landscape. It's it's gonna be really significant.  Mark Coffin: Well, certainly certain minorities are gonna have a harder time. They're not getting favoritism theoretically on paper. And is that good or bad? We could argue the point. But, and they're, both sides have plenty of value in the argument. But yeah, it. In my mind, this new SAT will be of no value whatsoever to colleges. Because its only value is comparative. And that's a limited value. But if you take the comparison value away, what, what's left? They took, they got a score.  Susan Stone: So what is ACT gonna do? Are they gonna sit back and hold the course? And what that test is?  Mark Coffin: So far, the ACT has said they are not doing anything except they're investigating, going online with their test. And they, the SAT is has already been online abroad. If you took it, if you're a student taking it abroad and want to apply to a US college, which many do, that is currently the new version of the SAT and it's online. The ACT, all they've said is they're looking into going online, away from paper tests.  Now, here's problem for a company like mine. There are no paper tests anymore. The college board currently puts out a big blue book, has eight practice tests. And kids that's how we give kids homework and that's how they improve. They do the tests,  Kristina Supler: ah, materials for practicing, and yeah, so on and so forth.  Mark Coffin: There are no materials now. I don't have any way of having a tutor sit with a student and go over the questions and answers. It's just, it's not on paper. It's not there. You can't do women computers.  Kristina Supler: Mark, I'm wondering, irrespective of the changes to SAT, let's set that aside for a moment. As things currently stand, in your opinion, do colleges and universities prefer the SAT over the ACT or vice versa?  Mark Coffin: No, they did 20 years ago, 15 years ago. They clearly did. The East Coast was an SAT area. Largely they preferred the SAT. So if you were uva, Harvard, any, any East Coast team you wanted an SAT. Same thing with the West Coast. They wanted SAT. Basically the Midwest has always been the ACT home. But that all changed, I don't know, 2 20 12 kind of thing. All colleges then and now say that they don't have a preference. And of course, as many colleges have gone test, some are test blind. If you turn in a test, they won't even consider it. But many are test optional. So many kids have opted out, would've opted out of even taken the test. Cuz it's no fun. If you really want to do well, you pretty much have to prep. And that's expensive and time consuming. And these kids are busy. Junior year is a really busy year for a high school kid. So many of them have opted to go test fun. And of course any student who forget, just not wanting to bother. any student who knows they're a weak test taker or maybe takes the test one time and is very disappointed, of course they're not turning that score in and they're not gonna take it again. So test optional is still, it helps if a school's test optional, you can turn in a good score. It helps in two ways. It's a tie breaker for a student that looks like you on paper without a score. And it's also a help for marade. Almost all colleges consider if they get a score, it's a factor in. And colleges, as are really expensive. So getting merit aid is a big plus. But, you're only turning in a good score. So you can see what that does to the average scores that colleges now.  Susan Stone: The average score is now higher. I'm gonna have two follow up questions based on what Kristina said. One is, now with the change of the SAT, would you recommend students just stick with the ACT? Because it'll give Yeah. Pardon?  Mark Coffin: Completely. Partly because I can't, and I'm on it. I've already started talking to parents whose kids are, rising juniors. We're not tutoring the SAT I can't do it. And I also don't think you should take it. If you're going to take the test, a test, take one that matters. Why take a test that's meaningless?  Susan Stone: And then my follow up is something that you said if it's gonna be online and it's difficult for you to get practice materials, are you just gonna tutor with like, general testing strategy. Mark Coffin: Well, we're doing that with some kids. We have our, or we're set up to do that with some rising juniors who know they are not taking a paper test in the fall. They're taking the first in March, the first,new format. And the mom said to me, since the material's largely the same, I understand the timing and all those things are different. But can you just tutor her for the current SAT using paper tests? She'll be better, won't she? At the real, the new SAT the answer. That's a great question. Of course she will be. And we are doing that with some kids. And I've suggested that to some moms. But,But it's not, it's still not prepping him for the exact same test. So that as a businessman, that makes me a little uncomfortable taking your money, but I'm preparing you for something you're not gonna do.  Susan Stone: So what are you going do? How are you going?  Mark Coffin: Just ACT. And so unless something changes now, we're still a ways away from next March. If there are sufficient numbers of online practice tests and they become accessible somehow. I'm not a computer geek, so I don't know what that means, but if there's some way we can use them sitting down one-on-one with a kid, yeah, of course we'll do that. Except again, I think it's hard for me to justify to a mother. Why do, why are you gonna take the SAT? Why's your student taking the SAT? It's a pointless test now. And I think colleges will come to that conclusion. Now, if you get a 1500. Whether it's a different test or not, of course that's an indicator. You're a pretty, pretty good student, at least at this type of work. Does it compare to another 1500 or, I don't think so. But a but a strong score is a strong score. I think they're dumbing down the test, and I think it'll be easier to get a pretty good score if you take it. but  Kristina Supler: Mark, how would you respond to someone who, a listener out there who might just say,geez, this guy's in the test prep business. And, it's sour grapes for the SAT because now you've in, you've said you can't tutor on the SAT. it's just your business interests are driving your opinion of the test changes. How would you respond to that?  Mark Coffin: I think the colleges are gonna have the same business interest. And they're gonna be making the same evaluation I am. How valuable is this number now? As I said before, they haven't gotten there yet. They don't have to. It's not even on their radar. Another interesting wrinkle in this is, the state of Ohio currently requires as a diploma requirement, graduation requirement that all public and parochial, not private schools, but public and parochial, give their junior class either an SAT or an ACT For free. For free. For free. Yes. Yes. And the school picks the date. And they pick which test. And some schools pick ACT, like Solen, west Joa, but many schools pick SAT like Orange and Kenston and Chagrin Falls. The SAT, they're gonna be able to give, and they typically do this in the spring. So the SAT they're gonna have available to them is gonna be the new format. Are they gonna give that SAT as a graduation requirement or are they gonna go to ACT? I would think they'd go ACT. But I don't know. I've asked a couple of college guidance people and they say it's not on our radar yet. That's so far ahead. So yeah.  Susan Stone: That's really interesting. I would say that, Look, you can't deny, especially with the test, optional, that there's a positive inference by submitting a score. Correct. And I don't know that's gonna change. So it is still important and studying practice makes perfect with this test. And there are some good free resources available. We can't deny that. But it Mark, after having three kids go through it, No matter what the free resource is, it helps to have a human being sit with you and explain things, doesn't it? Kristina Supler: Not quite the same as working with the tutor.  Mark Coffin: Yeah, the one-on-one is very different than doing it yourself. Partly cuz when you miss a question, it might be cuz you don't understand how to do it. Not just a casual error. Like I forgot to bring a minus sign down. The other thing is motivation. None of humans are very good at doing things we don't particularly enjoy and prepping on your own. Very true is difficult, to sit there. And plus, when you prep, you're not taking a three hour test, eight o'clock on a Saturday morning. You take a, you do a math test for practice and you get up in the middle of it and go get a soda or something. And it's just very different on your own even if you do it. And one of the reasons that my business is attractive to parents is it's a way of, in effect, forcing their kids to do it. It's like a doctor's appointment. You gotta get, go meet with this person, do the homework, and just take this seriously. It's costing me a lot of money. Yep. And doing it on your own just isn't the same motivation. Very few kids are successful at doing it on their own. Some are, they're some kids that are driven for this kind of thing. But I think the answer to your earlier question is this self-serving course. It is. it's my business, and I want it to work as well as possible. The good news is tutoring works. And it's very rewarding, especially for my tutors. When you raise a kid's score, 250 points on the SAT. You take 'em from 1150 to a 1500 or something. it's, it, that's very big job. Big job. Yeah. and it happens. it sounds incredible. But it's a function of the kids putting in the effort. And again, they're the same tests every time, different material, but they get used to the material. It brings back stuff like the math they may have had two years earlier and have basically largely forgotten since ninth grade. Kristina Supler: There's so much to consider now for families, planning for the future with the college process. But this has really been a wonderful discussion that's full of chock full of good information for parents to be aware of as they, plan for the future and the college process with their children. Susan Stone: And again, another difficult decision, SAT V versus ACT or whether you should take it at all. Lots to think about. You gotta know your kid. Absolutely.  Mark Coffin: Another point, the test may become more available to companies like mine because there are huge national tutoring companies like Princeton Review, Kaplan. They don't wanna stop tutoring the the SAT. Some of them are making their own tests trying to divine how are we, how's this test gonna look? That's, that doesn't work very well. but they, they've got a lot of incentive to get something out there that little companies like me can use and students can use. Kristina Supler: What's the saying? Necessity is the mother of invention. So there you go.  Susan Stone: That's a good one. Supler. That's a good one. Mark, it's been such a pleasure.  Kristina Supler: Feel free to reach out to Mark Coffin at Academy Custom Test Prep. Thanks for joining us, Mark. Thanks.  Mark Coffin: My pleasure. Thanks. Have a good day. Bye-Bye. 

Ever find yourself reminiscing about the good old days when tunes from The Tragically Hip filled the airwaves? My pals, Tim and Pete, and I sure did, as we took a deep dive into their 6th studio album, Phantom Power. We discovered that our own past experiences and relationships managed to shape our views on this collection of radio hits, which seemed like a pivotal moment for the band. We weren't just content with superficially jamming out to the music. We dissected the unique sound and lyrical themes, compared them to previous Hip releases, and found ourselves swapping stories from past concerts. One standout memory was Tim being recognized by lead vocalist Gord Downie backstage. We also discussed the historical context of the album, like how its recording coincided with a major ice storm and a surprise tour that benefited a children's cancer camp. Stick around as we analyze some standout tunes like 'Poets' and its references to Gwen Jacobs' fight for women's equality. We also shared our thoughts on 'Fireworks' and how it reminded us of Canada's victory in the hockey series against Russia in 1972. So, whether you're a die-hard Hip fan or just love a good music chat, this episode is for you!TranscriptSpeaker 1 It's June of 1998 and I'm done with York University. To celebrate, my friends and I embarked on a camping trip to the Pinary Provincial Park just down the road from Grand Bend. It was just outside the liquor store in town that I heard a finished version of Pullets for the first time. Gord had long been one of my favorite Pullets, so to me this song resonated in a way that I can't quite describe. It was a feeling of euphoria and relief. This new record was going to be just fine, i thought to myself. Little did I know that several tracks on this record would stand the test of time and join the pantheon of great hip songs I still enjoy to this day, from the meandering escape is at hand to the traveling man, to the exquisite Bob Cajun and the downright delicious Emperor Penguin. Phantom power was right in the pocket, coming off of the exceptional trouble at the henhouse. As I got inside the truck to head back to the campsite I turned the volume up and just let Pullets sink into my brain. This was living. Today. We're going to hear from our friends Pete and Tim to check out what they think of Phantom power. Will it stack up? Find out today. On Getting Hip to the Hip. 0:01:41 - Speaker 2 Long sliced brewery presents Getting Hip to the Hip Hey it's JD here. 0:01:58 - Speaker 1 Welcome back to Getting Hip to the Hip. This week we are talking about Phantom Power, the sixth studio record by Seminole Canadian rock band, the Tragically Hip. I'm joined this week, as always, by my pals Tim and Pete Fellas. how are you doing? 0:02:19 - Speaker 3 Hey guys, hey guys, hey guys, glad to be here. Good to see you, i'm ecstatic to be here. 0:02:26 - Speaker 4 I'm ecstatic to be here right now. 0:02:27 - Speaker 1 Oh, I love it. 0:02:28 - Speaker 4 I love the energy This is happier than a pig and shit. 0:02:31 - Speaker 1 Oh boy, oh boy, that's pretty happy. I've seen some, some porcine creatures rolling in fecal matter and they sure love it. Okay, so if you are wanting to experience The Tragically Hip's music for the first time, tim and Pete are your avatars this week because they got to experience the record Phantom Power, which again is the sixth record produced by Steve Berlin, first record on Universal. But I guess I should tell you guys both. I guess I should say this to you both as honorary Canadians. Now, happy Canada Day. It's almost the 4th of July. It's July 3rd today, but it's July 4th tomorrow for you, but July 1st for us is Canada Day. So happy Canada Day, folks. 0:03:20 - Speaker 4 Wow, Yeah, Very close to the other 4th of July, which is America's Independence Day. In the UK they call that Thanksgiving. No, No, I had a. I took a flight one time on some shitty airline and the pilot was British and it was on the 4th of July and he was like so I just want to say you know, that's my shitty British accent Happy 4th of July was we call it. We're on from Thanksgiving. Enjoy Whatever. 0:03:57 - Speaker 1 That's great. Oh, anytime you can burn an American a little bit, it's. you know there's some fun. There's some fun there because you guys are so goddamn good at this shit, you know Anyway let's get into the record as a whole. Before we go into the song by song segment, let's just talk about this record, produced, like I said, by Steve Berlin. Five singles come from this record. All music rates at a three out of five Three. So there's that. What did you guys think? I want to know where you listen to it, how you listen to it and what your initial thoughts were, and you know, maybe, what they percolated up to. What do you say there, tim? 0:04:45 - Speaker 3 Well, there's a pause. I thought it was a three star album, kind of like all music I felt wasn't really sure. it felt a little bit deluded in a way. to me It felt a little bit, a little bit more generic from what I've heard in the past. But it also felt kind of expected for the whole catalog of albums this band has produced and the timeline going into the late 90s. You know this album felt like full of radio hits but at the same time I was missing a little bit of that raw kind of hip feeling. You know, i was wondering like, should I be okay with this album just being kind of fine? This was the turning point for me. I was really not sure. When I read kind of some reviews about it, i think there was some sentiment, some shared sentiment, and also some people were like it's my favorite album and some hip fans said it's their least favorite album. So this one's kind of a gray area for me. 0:06:00 - Speaker 1 It's funny. Well, I'll get into my, you know, sort of backgrounder on this for you guys after we hear from Pete. Pete, what did you think? 0:06:09 - Speaker 4 I hear you on the gray area, because I could totally see that. I could totally see how some hip fans are like this is the best album they did. Or this is not my favorite album. For me I listen to it everywhere. I listen to it in my office, so for my computer, with some some decent cans, i took it out running a lot. Probably. I think maybe the first time I listened to it was that took it in the car. It sounded great. The thing I found like I would say 3.5 for me, tim, instead of a 3. But you know I feel you on that My initial thoughts were that a lot of rawness of the hip was gone from this. In the first couple of listens it sounded very watered down. It was like somebody pulled Gord Downey aside and said Hey man, can we just like, kind of like the dude, can you, can, you fucking can you take it easy, man, you know, just like. Told him to just like chill out a little bit, and I don't know. The more I listen to it though, the more I dug into it and see how much work maybe not production, but just from the band themselves went into this record maybe changed my tune a lot Like I dig it. And Phantom Power, that was the coolest thing in the 90s, man Like because sometimes you didn't know what it was. If you never heard of Phantom Power before, it has a fucking cool name. If you had a guy that had like a condenser mic or something with Phantom Power, you're like dude, yeah, he's got a mic, that's got a Phantom Power. It was just like fucking. You were 17 and you heard that it was fucking cool. 0:08:00 - Speaker 3 Yeah, you know, i went and looked at a number of albums sold by a bunch of different bands, including the hip, and I was trying to kind of have this try to find this correlation of how many albums sold from the band start to like 10 years later, or 10 albums later, something like that. And I compared the hip with a bunch of bands And it's, it's. It's really all apples, oranges, of course, but when you look at how many albums they've sold and how they, you know, started off selling a ton and then just kind of went down to this million album mark. And then when I heard this album and I like UP, i listened to it all over the place. I listened to it on the plane I traveled, listened to it in the car, listened to it at home with the cans on. I mean I listened to it in more places than past listens because I was really trying to give it a go. I mean, it was the first time, upon first listened, that there were a couple songs where I was like okay, get it, i'm going to go to the next one, like I had not fast forwarded songs, you had her skipped ahead. So this, yeah, but but one of those songs that I skipped ahead on, sorry hip fans. You know I came back to and it's might be one of my most favorite on the album, so this this one like yeah, this one, this one to me like didn't grab me right away. Maybe it will more over time, maybe it's one of those types of albums, but well, i'll tell you what this record has. 0:09:36 - Speaker 1 An interesting, an interesting story, i think, and it it's my own headcanon This is. This is not like actual fact by any stretch, but in my opinion, trouble at the Henhouse, which is one of my absolute favorite records by the Tragically Hip or or or any other band, is, was maligned Like it, it, it, it, it both it and day for night didn't perform as well as fully, completely, and fully completely was very, if you recall, it was very polished, it was very produced. You know they went to London to record it. It was like a big deal. And then, following that, the next two records, they were sort of self-produced, with Mark Vreakin and Mark Howard on day for night and just Vreakin on fully, on Trouble at the Henhouse, and those records are sparse and they are. The core energy is, is there, it's, it's. It's like boiling hot magma, you know, and they're and they're forming these songs that are just age old now and and just wonderful, and then phantom power comes out and phantom power goes back to the like. To me it's sort of back to the back, to the basics. It's like back to really structured songs, really produced, and, like I always said, that this record was the baby of day for night and fully and completely, fully, completely, rather not fully and completely fully. It's sort of the baby of those two records. It's got the, it's got the production values, but it's still got songs. So I'll challenge you guys on that, because I think this record has songs and I think it has songs for days. You know what? 0:11:40 - Speaker 4 you are JD, let me tell you who you are. So when I was like 19 or 18, working with the movie theater, i dated this girl that that worked at the calendar place across the way And I just kind of went out with her because I was like really stoked. She gave me your number But I really wasn't that into her and all my friends were like, dude, she's really hot man, she's really amazing, and I just didn't see it. And so then like I stopped going out with her. We only went out a couple of times and that was that. And then I saw her again. I was like, damn, i really screwed that one up And that's kind of felt with this record, but I didn't want to like make that same mistake again. So like I, i'm sticking with it. I'm sticking with this being a solid album. Yeah, you know, yeah Masked it for, you know, a third and fourth date. 0:12:26 - Speaker 1 Yeah, i think, and I think three out of five stars is fair Like it's not it's not one of my. it's not my favorite record, but it's a lot of hit pants favorite record It's a lot Yeah, yeah. 0:12:39 - Speaker 3 That's that's what I found in my research. The covers are awesome. The covers are great. 0:12:43 - Speaker 1 They have that They actually have that panel in in their studio and bath, which is really cool. Yeah, so that's, you know this is. I want to say this is the second record they recorded at their studio. So they didn't go anywhere, you know, adventurous or anything like that, but they were at home. And what happened in 1998, i don't know if it made news anywhere else but Quebec and Ontario there was a major ice storm, yeah, major ice storm, and in Ontario it, like it absolutely shut down the city of Toronto. It shut down, you know, major thoroughfares. It was like devastating this ice storm. And we'll get into that a little bit more as we talk about the songs. But you know, they bring Berlin in and they're sort of trapped in the studio. You know like during during this, so really fascinating I think. 0:13:43 - Speaker 3 But yeah, it's a go ahead. Did you see this tour? Did you see them play on this tour? You want to hear a story Now? 0:13:52 - Speaker 1 people who listen to the movie and completely heard this. But the hip announced five secret shows that they were going to do, and all proceeds from these shows were going to go to a charity I forget which charity now at the oh, it was Camp Trillium. Camp Trillium, which is a camp for children with cancer, children that have cancer, and there's a location of that is near where I grew up And I'll show you when we, when you're in town for the finale. My friend's parents were on the committee for the cancer camp in our community, and so my friend Heather had intel and she she knew that they were going to go on sale at this time in this place in Hamilton, which is about an hour outside of Toronto, when traffic's good, and so we ended up getting third row center seats Wow, in this small theater in Hamilton, like 2000 people, and they blew the roof off the place. And a band called oh my goodness. They sang, come for a ride. Open for them, and they were tremendous as well. I forget the bands right now who open for them, but if you know it, send me an email. Jd at getting hip to the hipcom. So we're third row center. We watched the show, But the kicker here is is that Heather has got gifts to give the band And it's been arranged with the stage manager that we're going to go backstage afterwards to give. She's going to go backstage afterwards to give these gifts And she ended up inviting me along And so we got to go backstage and I introduced her to the tragic lab. So this was like this was like full circle for the two of us And it was just a wonderful experience. We went backstage after the show and they were all there and Gord had a. Gord Downey had a soccer ball And he was doing that thing where you flip it out, catch it and roll it back in your arms. Flip it out, catch it, roll it back in your arms And he just kept doing that And I remember at one point I must have looked silly or something, because somebody said and maybe it was Gord Downey said is everything all right? And I said, oh, everything is fucking perfect. I could go outside and get hit by a bus right now And it just wouldn't matter. And Gord Downey looked at me and he goes Oh, don't do that, jane. He called me Jane, only my mom calls me Jane. Like it was so cool It was cool. 0:16:37 - Speaker 4 How did I not know the story? How did I not know that you had interactions with Jesus? 0:16:44 - Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, how was this? 0:16:45 - Speaker 4 coming up in episode. What fucking episode are we on. 0:16:48 - Speaker 1 Well, it was Tim asked me the question, yeah. 0:16:50 - Speaker 3 I don't know. We're like 15 minutes in. I think we could just call it. That was good enough. 0:16:55 - Speaker 1 Well, here's the kicker. Here's the kicker. I don't think I told this part on fully and completely, but the kicker is I had been dating a girl all through university and I broke up with her the summer of 98 and sewed my wild oats And this was all toward the end of the summer of 98. And she was in Hamilton to meet me after the show. So I'm backstage with the hip and they go Okay, well, we're going to go to the after party now in the next room over, because this was in the green room or whatever And we're going to go in the after party room and drink some beers. Do you guys want to join us? And I had to say no. I had to say no because my girlfriend was waiting outside for me. Now, in hindsight, what a boner move I made, because I wanted to get back together with her. Totally. It only lasted another two years after that, like I then absolutely blew up, but it was those. Those final two years were awful anyway, like they just weren't, you know, like both of us would agree to that now I'm sure the university years were wonderful, they were, they were great, but those those two years after our break up we're not so good And I blew a chance to go party with the hip. 0:18:15 - Speaker 3 You had a Davis Manning moment. 0:18:18 - Speaker 1 Yes, Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 0:18:22 - Speaker 3 He chose the girl over your fandom. 0:18:25 - Speaker 1 The hip lived between us. 0:18:27 - Speaker 3 They totally lived between you. They might still sorry, sorry, jess. 0:18:38 - Speaker 1 Well, folks, should we go song by song? 0:18:41 - Speaker 3 Yeah, let's do it, let's do it. 0:18:44 - Speaker 4 So I really liked this song. I really liked poets. This is probably the song I would say I have the least to say about. I really like the verse phrasing. I think it's probably the best part of this song, the way he phrases the verses. There's a part where the lines of a verse he kind of like carries into the next measure. It's really weird, like, like, like the mind, you think, okay, you sing the verse, then it's the next measure, but like he sings that verse over there Because it's when you look at it it's a complete line. I can't remember the line specifically, but it was. It was cool man. It's a hard thing to pull off man, but like that guy just does. It was so much, so much finesse. I liked the layered guitars in it, yeah. But I think, going back to what we're saying sort of at the beginning of the top of the show, it was, this song didn't punch me in the face Like right when I, right when I started listening, i dug it. I it was a soft open, it was a soft open. 0:19:59 - Speaker 1 All right, how'd you feel, tim? 0:20:01 - Speaker 3 I felt it was a harder open. I thought it was it. You know this. Like we've talked about before the cadence of songs and track orders. You know the first one I expect to really get me, bring me in, and this one did it. I thought it was pretty good. There's a fun kind of change over into the chorus It again I spoke about this a little bit before, but the kind of remind me of REM in REM's, like first half of the 90's albums, like they come on with like a punch of a song and then, like the cadence of the album kind of goes soft and then gets whoa, got a little dirty there, gets a little bit harder as time evolves. But yeah, this I thought this was a good start off. The themes you know I looked into a little bit of the song's meaning regarding lyrics and you know just talk about agriculture and super farms and like I don't know, ultimately fresh vegetables versus buying frozen and what that means. And this, this is the song that references Gwen Jacobs. Right, you know the story about her JD, and she was this woman who walked into town I think in Ontario topless and it created this whole. I don't have to look into this more, but I'm pretty sure this was the song about the Gwen Jacobs case. So Gwen was a woman who walked through town topless and was arrested and started this whole kind of woman's lib. You know movement with. You know making it okay to cut your lawn without a shirt on, just like the men do. That's kind of where the line in here from Gord comes from. It's a let's see. 0:22:02 - Speaker 1 Oh, that's great Lawn caught by breasted women. 0:22:04 - Speaker 3 Yeah, it's kind of this comment on pushing for women's equality and gender rights. So I thought that was fucking cool And that, to me also, is like really appropriate for the 90s or late 90s, you know it was. we were kind of circling back to, of course, some things we've had in North America before and prior decades. So I thought this song was cool. Again, it really reminded me of REM. I kind of went back and started looking at some of REM's albums and I wish, again, i wish I could know what the band listened to when they were traveling Me too. You know what they were sharing, what albums they were digging. you know if any of them were like Oh my God, did you hear REM's new one? We're going to put it in the the the buses stereo or whatever. Like I wish I could know what was influencing them, because I'm hearing, i'm hearing some some themes for sure. 0:22:57 - Speaker 1 Okay, earlier I was telling you about the ice storm. The next track, something on, was recorded and they literally were trapped in the studio. They were, you know, they couldn't leave the bath house, they couldn't leave the studio in bath. So they did what they do best They wrote a song and there's some lyrical content in there about the ice storm even And I think it's really wonderful lyricism. What did you guys think of something on? 0:23:33 - Speaker 3 I felt like, okay, i read about it, i read about this and I read about the ice storm and you know sounded awful. And for I hate to say this, but to go get stuck in a studio, for me that'd be like the time to really fuck things up, like really experiment. You know, you know, just hopefully somebody shows up with a huge bag of weed and somebody shows up with a bunch of acid and somebody shows up with a shit ton of beer and like this is when you like really go to town to experiment and what do we got out of it? We got like kind of a radio hit. So it was a little surprise to kind of hear the whole story and it just made me realize that maybe for this era, the guys were really I mean, they were at a point to where they could bust out a really good album, you know, and what, for me, that really good album is? like you go to a restaurant and it's like yo, that was a good meal. You know, everything was like satisfactory. 0:24:37 - Speaker 1 Well, yeah, it's a blooming onion man. 0:24:38 - Speaker 3 It's a blooming onion, Yeah, but to get stuck in a studio and ice storm, it's like I personally would want to just start going places. I haven't been before with my band, but you know this one's interesting take. Yeah, this one felt. This one felt a little radio felt a little you too, dave Matthews like splash of John Cougar melon camp or something like I don't know. Man, it felt, i know. I know, i know, i know. 0:25:10 - Speaker 1 And I was a big melon camp guy at one point. 0:25:13 - Speaker 4 But Dave, Matthews are regular. 0:25:16 - Speaker 1 Cougar and regular. 0:25:18 - Speaker 3 Yeah, like I couldn't get overly excited about this one. Well, again. 0:25:26 - Speaker 1 I think you were waiting for the follow up from the follow up to trouble at the house, and this isn't the follow up that you're expecting on a trajectory perspective. You know no no, i agree. 0:25:44 - Speaker 4 It's funny. You talk about getting trapped in the studio, like I mean, i don't know if I'd go like full steely Dan when they recorded the Albuquerque show, where, like you know, there maybe was not that much cocaine around, but I still agree with him, i would. I'd get really spacey, and I think they do it on a couple songs that we'll get into, but first time I heard this song got some heavy Jim Blossom's feels. Yeah yeah, Yes that's the first thing that hit me and I couldn't think of any of the band that it was like a buddy of mine used to play the band that they open for them a ton, and I was like the first band that came to mind like this Oh, and it was really poppy. And okay, my notes. Once you get past the repeated cheesiness of the chord progression and the vocal melody, it's not a bad song. 0:26:40 - Speaker 1 Oh dammit, with faint praise here. No, no, no, it's not a bad song. 0:26:44 - Speaker 4 I think it's a good song, but you know it's a good song. If, like you, take this song and go, is this a good song? Anybody will say it's a good song, but like you, said to me compared to the follow up of what you really wanted after trouble. Then else, and this was a song where I feel like Gord sounded a bit like he was put in the cage Like whoever was a universal when this record was getting recorded, put baby in the corner. And this is a song where really I feel like you know he's, he wants to be himself, but somebody's like, hey, man, just could you like you don't have to do it all the songs, but like at least on this one could you just, fucking, you know, tone it down a little bit. And I was just like, ah, where's my fucking, where's my lead singer. 0:27:33 - Speaker 3 Yeah, I totally agree, Because you know it's still a good song, because it's still all the guys and it still has themes, because it's Gord, you know you're still going to get one liners that are amazing. I feel like probably no matter what in any hip song there's going to be some standout lyric to me, some standout part like to the core fan. That's. That's really what I'm imagining. The line that stood out in this one for me was your imaginations having puppies, I mean yeah, yeah. I've had so many letters of puppies, you guys. It's like I'm just, i've got puppies all over the place. It's like. 0:28:11 - Speaker 4 I was a cool. I really like that one. Yeah, like that, like that video for new recruits or something. 0:28:17 - Speaker 3 Yeah, so I like identified in it. You know, at that personal level, which I think they're able to do just about on any song which is fucking amazing for a band to do, because I could probably name 10 bands right now. What that does not happen to me, yeah, so you know. So, in that regard, like hip fans, you know I'm, i'm I'm not really trying not to be the bad guy here, but we this, this, this just made this song, just made me keep going So into save the planet. I mean, i got to this one, arrived at this one, and I was like, is this the band's fucking Earth Day song? or stretch their reach to get on the farm aid bill, like what is going on here? I felt like I don't know, there's a flute in there. Who's playing the flute? 0:29:09 - Speaker 1 Who plays the flute? You know, i don't. I don't have the liner notes handy And on the wiki page it is remarkably barren in terms of additional players. Yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't have them, so I need people to write in. 0:29:25 - Speaker 3 If people know, let us know, because there's some flute in there And it made me wonder like what else? 0:29:31 - Speaker 1 there's keys all over this record. 0:29:33 - Speaker 3 Yeah, what else have I been missing in the background that maybe other people are participating in? But I felt, like you know this song, in the placement we were, we were filling, we were filling in the gaps on the menu And you're like, no, I had a burger yesterday. No, I'm not in the mood for that. Oh, I could really use some lasagna. Here we go. That's that's how Save the Planet felt, felt very time appropriate. This is, like you know, the millennial song. 0:30:02 - Speaker 1 Okay. 0:30:03 - Speaker 4 All right. So if anybody's got a line on the flute player, email Tim getting hip to the hip, talk there you go. Right, i copy Pete at getting hip Yeah. Save the Planet. I thought it was a banger. I really dug it. I at first I saw that too, but then I kind of look past the name of it And just look at the song itself. There's a. There's two references in this album to Crossing the Street, to pedestrian crossings. Yes, i'll point out the other one. This is the first one Fucking solo bangs in this. I thought the flute at the end was cool because it was so random. 0:30:47 - Speaker 3 I was like well, what the fuck is that? Yeah? 0:30:50 - Speaker 4 Same. 0:30:52 - Speaker 1 There's. You just can't imagine listening to road apples and having a flute right Like. It's just not part of this band. You know like and and and it works It works well, no, right? 0:31:05 - Speaker 4 Yeah, you know, if they went into that I'd be like, well, what the fuck's going on? 0:31:10 - Speaker 3 But I'll just quickly, quickly add that I'm okay with the flute. Like sometimes, the flute really is awesome. Oh, i think it's great. So you know, like some people like hear the flute and they're like oh why You know, but it works. 0:31:24 - Speaker 4 No, i dug it And this is again. This is not the first song, or not the only song in this record where I got some heavy Alanis vibes. The phrasing on if the bathwater is clear and my ears underwater, it's a tolerant hum from the core. Carry the water Like that the way he phrases that shit, it's just. I don't know if I see because it's a Canadian band, if I see everything through the lens of like Canadian pop artists. But like it's just the vibe I got from this and it's a great tune to get out and move your feet to get running. It's a fucking cool song to run. 0:32:09 - Speaker 3 All right, i'll put it on my point first I hear your Alanis vibes marry and up with my Michael Stipe vibes. I think those are in sync for sure, for sure. 0:32:20 - Speaker 1 I think there's a nice correlation between the hip and REM, like I think you're right, like they both have that enigmatic front man, you know, who is really literate and really interesting in the way they sort of phrase things and put things together. 0:32:39 - Speaker 4 They both went bold too, halfway through the careers, that's right, that's a fair point. 0:32:45 - Speaker 1 Fair point, fair point, all right, we're getting in the car right now and we are cruising northeast of here and we're going to Bob Cajun. I left your house this morning. 0:33:40 - Speaker 7 It was quarter after nine. I left your house this morning. I left your house this morning. I drove back to town this morning This morning with working on my mind, i thought I'd maybe try to leave an ear behind. I went back to bed this morning and it's time pulling down the blind. Yeah, the sky was dull, it was high but never come. And morning went down at a time that night in Toronto And I was jacking boardboards, riding on horseback and keeping order restored. Tell the men they couldn't hide. Step to the mic and sign and their voices rang with the area of time. To your house this morning. It was quarter after nine. In the middle of that riot I couldn't get you off of my mind. To your house this morning. It was just a little hour tonight Cause it was in my page on the rossard and constellation, but they themselves won't starve at time. To your house this morning It's a little after nine Cause it was in my page on the rossard and constellation, but they themselves won't starve at time. 0:37:32 - Speaker 5 Tell the men they couldn't hide, they didn't choose your bones and bones. They're all south of the wind and down the lawn to the lake For as long as it takes. 0:38:05 - Speaker 7 I don't want to be a hill of the birds last hour. I don't want the last words out of my mouth to be stained Out of my way. 0:38:16 - Speaker 4 Okay, I fucking love this tune. I got some heavy and Tim, yes or yes. If I hear no, I'm just I'm off this podcast Got some really strong G love special sauce vibes from this. Yes, Just the way they owe up. Am I my GD? 0:38:42 - Speaker 1 I don't know, i think I think I'm very familiar. 0:38:46 - Speaker 3 I did not go there, but I will Okay. 0:38:51 - Speaker 4 Right, i mean the. there's a oh dude that it could have been Willie, could have been the wine. I heard that song. The first time I heard that song I was. I took it out for a run and I came home and I like I listened to it again because I just thought it was such a good fucking song, because it's a weed. reference to may not necessarily be about them listening to Willie Nelson. It's like they were smoking weed or they were drinking wine, absolutely Yeah. The opening, like spacey guitar licks The dobro which I think he's playing. there's a dobro in there that he's playing which kind of gets sort of like a banjo slash guitar vibe. Oh God, just. 0:39:40 - Speaker 1 I feel like that lyric that you just quoted, though, could have been the Willie Nelson, could have been the wine. That's like one, like when he wrote that he should have just put the book down, put on a fedora, long overcoat, grabbed his briefcase, just went home for the day, that's. That's the days. That's the day at the office, that's a fucking. Exactly. 0:40:00 - Speaker 4 That's just a great lyric Exactly dude, no, 100%, it's so good. I was like you know. You know, a line is a good line when you hear it and it's so good you think you've heard it before. Meaning like I'm like right, i mean because it just sounds like it belongs on this in the history of life, Like like someone has, like if someone hadn't said it, they sure as shit should have said it. Does that make sense? Yeah, you know, it sounds like it's just. It's a great fucking line. I thought I maybe quit that line. It's just. It's really the part of this song where Gord starts coming out of the cage. On this record, i feel like that was the moment Somebody gave, somebody unlocked the door of the cage and he's starting to come out, and then the song ends on a random minor chord, which is so weird, it's such a happy, spacey song that ends on this minor chord. 0:41:09 - Speaker 3 I loved that. I loved that about it. So for me this one it felt a little Out of the gates. I need to listen to the beginning of it to see your G-Love reference. But out of the gates. It felt to me a little bit country and a little bit like are we reaching again for some crossover fans Along? the southern belt of the US. Like where are we? What's happening here? You know there's some slide guitar, but is it a song about lost love? You know looking up at the stars waiting for a reveal. You know there's synth work in here again, so there's some sort of keyboard happening, which is fucking cool. And to me, the first lesson I had all those kind of questions going through my head And then I thought at one moment like this is actually a fucking beautiful song. Like it's a little bit of an odd man out on the album, but it's actually a beautiful song. There's this long ending with no singing. It's just mysterious. Like you said, pete, the last five seconds or so, or this just bizarre tune out. It's like I found one quote when Gord was asked about this song. He said this was an interview in 2004,. He said this one asks the question evil in the open or evil just below the surface? That was his comment about this song. So it's like this song to me was super mysterious Yeah, super mysterious song which I fucking love, like I don't need literal storytelling every single song you know. Social themes, i don't know all these different things, i don't need that. Every single song I love you know kind of the knuckleball that comes in. You're like whoa okay, this is reeling me back in to the album in a good way, a way that I'm looking for, you know, i'm hoping for, but still, again, this one felt a little bit odd, man, just the way it fits into the album. They've done this before. They've gotten. 0:43:15 - Speaker 4 They lose green man. 0:43:16 - Speaker 3 Yeah, they've gone on this path of like okay, this one, now we're going to turn off the highway and head down this two-lane road and we're going to stop at this farm and we're going to have an afternoon barbecue with this family, and you know, i don't know, like it's just this one's off the highway. 0:43:35 - Speaker 1 Cool. What do you guys think of the bridge? It makes my arm hair stand up That night in Toronto with the checkerboard floors. There's a bar in Toronto that's famous legendary in fact called the Horseshoe and that references the Horseshoe, the checkerboard floors. Oh shit, that's one of the first big gigs they played in Toronto. 0:43:55 - Speaker 4 Can I get taken to that bar when I come visit Toronto? 0:43:57 - Speaker 1 Absolutely. Let's do it. Sure shit hopes so man. 0:44:00 - Speaker 4 That would be cool. This song is actually the most listened to hip song on Spotify. 0:44:07 - Speaker 1 Oh, wow Yeah. 0:44:09 - Speaker 3 Surpasses. I read something about that as well. 0:44:13 - Speaker 4 What was the one that it surpassed? 0:44:16 - Speaker 1 I can't remember Anyway yeah Well, so it's a hit all around Pop Cage. 0:44:21 - Speaker 3 Yeah, it was a fucking interesting song, right? This is. 0:44:25 - Speaker 1 So we shift gears now in a well, not in a huge way, because this is sort of low tempo or slower tempo. We go to Thompson Girl and you're both hesitating to start Thompson Girl. 0:44:41 - Speaker 4 Go ahead Tim. 0:44:42 - Speaker 3 Yeah, well, you know what's the story about here. I don't know. It's the story potentially about where is it here, This town in Manitoba, thompson, yeah, or it's. You know it's potentially about a nickel mining company up there. You know it's got this kind of sweet, forlorn grunt work somewhere between dream and duty, poking through with all them shoots of beauty. I mean, what is that about? You know, this is kind of a cute, in a way stripped down acoustic song. There's some banjo in there. You know, i've kind of been waiting for, I had been waiting for this type of stripped down, simpler song that you know it's kind of this forlorn, sad song to me at the same time. 0:45:42 - Speaker 1 Probably Pete. 0:45:44 - Speaker 4 I loved it. I thought it was cool. I think I don't know if it's consistent with you and I, tim, but like I really try not to look too deep into the lyrics because oftentimes I'm disappointed, that's why I don't do it. I know you do it a lot more than I do I totally do. 0:46:03 - Speaker 3 I mean it's because of Gord, like Gord Gord. for me, gord merits it. 0:46:09 - Speaker 4 I get intrigued though, but like dude so does. I mentioned Celie Daner earlier. Like Donald Fagan's lyrics are notoriously cool as fuck. But have you ever asked that guy like what he you know what's, what's the meaning of? you know Dr Woo or whatever, like he'll be, like I don't know man, we're on so much cocaine. Back in the day I was just getting shipped to prime or whatever you know like, and I know that's not really the case here. But that line, the way he goes up so high with grunt work, i can't. I'm not even gonna fucking try lest I fucking destroy your listener base JD by singing that line. But when he goes grunt work time between dream and duty the melody is so fucking good It's then there's a part. Um, i don't know if it's like, i don't know, i wouldn't call it the bridge, but it is a bit of a some sort of key change to the regular chord progression. When he goes really high and then the mandolin starts to come in fucking dug that. And then the piano kind of comes in at the end as well, it's fucking cool. I really dig it. Yeah, i liked it First. I didn't like it. I didn't like the chord progression. It just seemed to like, like you said, tim, acoustic. It's sending, like it was like this should be an acoustic song. 0:47:30 - Speaker 3 Keep it that way. Yeah, yeah. But then it grew on me real quick, which is maybe something I would potentially envision. From a stuck in the studio couple days, you know, you'd get to a point to where everybody's kind of burned out and you pick up the acoustic and somebody says to the piano and you talk about is it INCO, inco and the fucking nickel mining, and I, you know, i looked at it a little bit into that in Manitoba and was like, oh geez, here's, here's a historical. You know, just rabbit hole that I can't go down right now. But it just this, to me, is just one of those, one of those songs that fits in well with this whole album And it's something we haven't really had in the past. So it's kind of happy to hear it. Next one membership Who's who's singing backups Somebody found, is it Gord Is? 0:48:28 - Speaker 1 it Gord over. Usually it's Paul Angla, usually Well. 0:48:32 - Speaker 3 I don't think it's Paul. It might be doubled. If you, if you go in and listen again, check out membership and listen to the backups, because it sounds like a woman to me and it sounds really familiar, like I've heard this voice before And I've looked and looked and looked but I can't find anything. It might be one of the guys, just you know, editing it in post or something, i don't know. But there's, there's some beautiful backup happening. This one, though you know it's wasn't my favorite on the album, i'm not going to put it on the playlist There's kind of a big change after the three minute mark with, like this new chorus. Of course it has my fade out at the end. You know there's there's kind of this bigger start to the song, but it's kind of slow in a way. I don't know. It's maybe about addiction, it's kind of a ballad. you know this, this one, it just felt like it didn't really fit in, didn't really wasn't really sure how it was working and it it made me consider you know I've done this a few times that it made me consider the band and what they were feeling you know they're coming in on 2000 here What they were feeling after 10 years, which is long for any band to retain some amount of success 10 years of playing and predominantly being popular in their home country and not even gaining a huge you know the level they deserved in the neighboring USA. So this this kind of made me think about all those things. I just didn't know if it was like about power abuse of power addiction or longing loss, i don't know. This song was kind of all over the map for me, but ultimately the chorus bugged me and it stuck in my head for a little while. I was like, oh, i need, i need some other, i need some other hip song stuck in my head and that's kind of where, honestly, that's where, like blow a high dough, just comes and takes over my brain. So that's what happened. 0:50:50 - Speaker 4 on membership, I you know I have a ton to say about this song. It's kind of like I put in the same categories Poets. It wasn't my favorite song in the record. I liked it, felt it like it was a very drone rock with a chord progression. It's the way it sounded. I love the harmonies. Tim mentioned the harmonies being drawn along by it. Like that line with the harmonies come in The middle, guitar solo where they kind of tease you with the guitar solo helps build the song kind of cool. But then, yeah, the fade out at the end is just like to me. It felt like they maybe didn't have, they didn't nail everything down with this one. That's all I'll say, you know, but yeah we can move on if you want, let's slide over to fireworks. 0:51:46 - Speaker 7 You like fireworks? Yeah, me neither. The frustrating part Never back in old 72 Without school, just a gun, without a gun or trigger. I don't remember a reason. Set me sight of you. You said I couldn't get a fuck about the party. Never heard something true back before You held my hand. We were on the long way Loosing in my grip on Bobby Moore. Never heard anything wrong before I blushed. When these ever sensations get in your way, no doubt this shit me spurred right now By your shoulder, and that an amazing what you can't accomplish now I'm not together every single moment. That's what we thought. We'd be married. We both do deep with the grip of art, of fish chaos, believing in the country, me and you. Christ has a faith in Christ, the sinner cramming Yeah, we've heard all this before It's winter time. The house is solid to the bones, loosing in our grip on this fake cold war. Is it an amazing and a better accomplish When we don't let no nation get in our way? No doubt this shit me spurred right now By your shoulder, and that an amazing what you can't accomplish now, next to your comrades in the nation of fitness, the program regarding some eternal past time, clopping to the mind in a fit of laughter, showing no patience, no tolerance, no respect By your words, next to the distance, contemplating towering, towering star By your words. And in late, never, till there are no stars anymore By your words. And in, straight in heaven, contemplating towering, towering star, till there are no stars shining up in heaven, till there are no stars anymore. Isn't it an amazing and a better accomplish When we don't let no nation get in our way? No doubt this shit me spurred right now By your brand of error, shining up in heaven, contemplating towering, towering star. I think this one thing never goes away And this ones thing's always supposed to stop. Oh, this funny thing doesn't have to go away, and I'm gonna lie. 0:55:41 - Speaker 4 Oh fuck, How much time you got, then Fucking song, this song, i just have the word. It's this fucking rush, rush, rush, rush, rush. Just so much rush in this song. Really, there's a couple of rush references on this record and this is number one. I would say that is it. Gord Sinclair, yeah, so like and I think he would agree with me, because I don't know that I don't know any bass player in Canada, let alone the entire world, would put them up against Geddy Lee. So I can't like, true, Like. I don't think the bass in this song was supremely rushed, but the chord progression, the structure of the song, the lyrics, isn't it amazing? anything's accomplished Is fucking. It's so fucking dude, it's fucking rush, completely Fucking. It's like they should have just made a record with one song on it and sent it to Rush and been like this is for you guys, we love you guys. And dude, i'm not saying anything remotely like they jocked anything. It's an homage in the sweetest sense. It's fucking beautiful. I fucking listened to the song so many times. There's I don't know if he's playing a Les Paul or a Hamer Rob Baker, but it's got some hollow tone electric guitar. There's a line in there Christ in the Kremlin. I'm fucking. The words in this song are fucking spectacular. I bet it just destroyed. Destroyed. The crowd live Like. I mean if they played this fucking live you'd have to close with this or I don't know what you'd play with this. I mean it's just fuck. What's the other line Next year? comrades in the National Fitness Program caught in some external flex arm hang dropping the mat. Dude the lot. This that the way he speeds up that verse and fits all those fucking words into that, and then he goes back to the normal cadence, like when I say cadence I mean like the tempo, not a modal cadence, but like tempo. He goes back to that. I just bet when they, when they all listened to this track after it was mixed, or they all recorded everything, they all just fucking high-fived and hugged each other and had a big old fucking circle 100% Yeah. Dude, it's a fucking. It's one of my favorite fucking hip songs period. 0:58:23 - Speaker 3 Oh, you know what they. You know what they said after they recorded this. They were like this is going to be an every jukebox across Canada. I mean, it's a jukebox song. I mean, really, this is like play something by the tragically hip. Okay, i'm at the jukebox. Stick in a quarter. Oh, here's fireworks. Everybody loves this song. You know, that's that's. I couldn't agree more, pete. I just felt like this could be put on a seven inch only and out in the world. You know it was one of the first songs in a while where, like, i immediately just started snapping my fingers. It was like, okay, this, this song's, this song's moving. I completely agree with the rush references I love. I so identified with this girl. There was actually a girl who said she didn't give a fuck about hockey. I never heard a girl swear and I've never heard someone say that before. It was like there was some whole other world out there which is hard to fathom at times. I don't follow hockey. I totally identify with this. When I go on Facebook and it's like near the weekend it's mostly fucking NFL comments from people I know in Southern California. It's like, god damn, i wish I had a sports filter on my life because I don't really follow any sports. So the hockey the hockey comment, i was like yes, i, i want to hang out with you, let's go drink beers. You know, i probably follow that. It's whatever I just I just identify with that part, it's. You know this, though, you're right, pete, isn't it amazing you could do anything when the notion isn't in your way, believing in the country of me, and you, ah, you know, it's just, it's, it's, this is, it's more. It's more than an anthem. 1:00:17 - Speaker 4 You know, the crazy is so it's so, Getty Lee, though man. 1:00:21 - Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. What's? 1:00:24 - Speaker 4 this, it's, it's spirit of the radio. Okay. That's the song thing you have in so many ways. Yeah, i mean, and I don't think any musician in the band would say like they can you know drum? like Neil Pert? I think the guitar is pretty. It's got some solid Alex life and vibes. like you could fucking compare that guitar wise. but like bass and drums, you can't fucking come close to those, like it's just. but sorry, tim, i didn't mean to interrupt you, but it's just a fucking. 1:00:55 - Speaker 3 That's good. Good, it's such a JD. What JD, what? what were your thoughts on the song? Do you have, do you have memories of hearing the song, or anything, or like? 1:01:03 - Speaker 1 I think it's, I think it's a romantic song, Like. I think it's like the firework of like meeting somebody that is just, you know, absolutely the sparkle of your eye, you know, sort of thing. The context, to give you some context, the goal that he's talking about, the goal that everyone remembers, is when Canada beat the Soviets in 1972. And that was, that was during the Cold War. So it was a big deal, that series, Canada playing hockey against Russia. you know a few games here in Canada and a few games in Moscow. It was a big deal, Like for these Canadian hockey players to go to Russia. Like at that time Russia was so mysterious And there was a very famous goal that won the series by Paul Henderson that everyone remembers. It's one of those moments in Canada, the, if you're of the right age or generation I'm not, I'm born in 74. So it's over my head, But if you were there then it's one of those like you know where you were moments. you know what I mean. 1:02:10 - Speaker 3 It's huge huge moment in sports history. 1:02:13 - Speaker 1 So for him to be just blown away. Like you know, loosening my grip on Bobby Orr, like I just picture, the 16 year old who's in love with Bobby Orr has the hockey cards on the wall, you know, he's just tremendous and all of a sudden he just oh, there's girls out there. Oh, and there's this particular girl who doesn't give a fuck about what, like whoa fireworks, you know. 1:02:40 - Speaker 3 Yeah, great song, Great song. This. yeah, I could have had this song, you know, and had a satisfied meal and went to bed. 1:02:49 - Speaker 1 You and your food All right. Go next to vapor trails. 1:02:58 - Speaker 3 So vapor trails, like I started this one and paused and had to come back to it, i didn't keep going like this, this, this, this was one of the breaks. And now for me, where I was like, okay, i'm not, either not in it enough or not focused enough, let's come back to it and didn't hold your attention. He would not not at the get go, but eventually it did. Oh, eventually it did bring me in. It totally was one of those songs that I wasn't so sure about, but over time was like humming it while walking around the house. You know, there's just to me it has some mysticism to it. There's this mysterious not to say it again but backup singer, whoever is in there. I mean there's some really good backup singing happening, but I just love some of the lyrics. There's nothing uglier than a man hitting a stride. 1:04:00 - Speaker 1 What a great lyric, right Dude And just the way he says it as well. There's nothing uglier than a man hitting a stride, yeah. 1:04:09 - Speaker 3 I can't wait to use that some point in life. You know, watching something happen, yeah, chords, use that line, throw away the rudder, float away, like they portrayals. You know, i get this. It's like, it's this feeling of like giving up. You know, at some point we all, everyone, i think everyone has contemplated, you know, life being different or serious change, or giving up, or you know, we've all had these heavy times in our lives and maybe the song kind of hits on that. There's amazing guitar riffing just towards four minute mark. It felt, you know, just to kind of wrap it up. For me it felt like a produced ending. You know, the fade out was like it wasn't just let's wrap the song up, let's just fade it out, it was like let's produce the fade out. So it was a little, i don't know a little more, a little more orchestrated. But yeah, it's, this song is. This song was a banger. I think it was really good for the spot in the album. I think it was like really fitting. 1:05:27 - Speaker 1 Yeah, because we're well into the second side now. Yeah yeah. Second track, second side, if you're playing by those roles, It has a good place, good place in the album. What do you think of APR Trail's Pete? 1:05:39 - Speaker 4 Well, this is the other thing that I thought was it's not. It's not a Rush reference, but I actually think there's a possibility that Rush's 2001 record Vapor 12, vapor Trails was perhaps, maybe, an homage to Tragically Hip. Wow, i don't know, that's my, that's my in my dream world. I don't know if that's really true, but and I saw them on that tour and they were fucking just amazing. Saw them at the Irvine Meadows man. 1:06:18 - Speaker 1 Such a great show. 1:06:19 - Speaker 4 Never saw. 1:06:20 - Speaker 1 Rush. I was supposed to see Rush on a tour in 93 and guess who was opening for them? Who, tragically Hip Jesus Christ. Wow, on Road Apples. Yeah, dude. 1:06:30 - Speaker 4 I don't know what's a bigger fail That or not partying with them. 1:06:34 - Speaker 1 Oh God, it's the, that's the, that's the fail. 1:06:36 - Speaker 3 They're close. Not partying, I think. 1:06:39 - Speaker 4 Well, we, let's put it this way, we, we, we showed to that concert, i think, and they were they, we were at that time. It's strange, real quick, because I know. but during that time, because 2001 was coming out of the Napster years and years, right And into, like I think it was right where the iPods came out, um, so people started buying music online again, sort of. So bands didn't have money to pay for opening bands during that time, so a lot of bands would tour and be like who's opening? And like there's nobody opening. So we assumed that somebody was opening, for Rush happened to me with pavement one time, but that's another story Um, and we walked, we're, we're racing through the parking lot Because we hear a spirit of the radio, but right into Red Bar Chat after that and just fucking made my, made my life. But to the song. Paper Trails. Um, the fucking vocal melody in the opening verse same. I got the same cadence, Tim. I don't know if you mentioned this as Thompson girl. Um, but the song I loved it. I imagine when they sung this song live, that when Gord sings the line you can throw away the rudder. He probably blows out either part of the low end or part of the mid end frequencies in the fucking speakers at this this, this house, his voice is just at that frequency where, if he really punches it like he could, he could break. He could break some fucking windows, because it's, it's just fucking just the way he delivers that shit. Throw away the rudder, um, uh, what else? Yeah, just that line to me was worth buying the fucking record. Pulled the car over. There's nothing uglier. Yeah. Then a man hitting his stride. Yeah, there's a transition from the bridge back to the chord progression. That's super abrupt And it's so cool because there's no transition. It's just like boom, boom, they go right back into the chord progression and it's fucking cool. I'm not, can't think of any band that I've heard do that. And then the last thing is the line, and it's it's. It's maybe Rob Baker, i don't know who's singing the backup, but Mexicans dressed in beige shirts Crazy line, yeah. 1:09:16 - Speaker 1 Yeah, I've never heard that Mexicans dressed in beige shirts. 1:09:19 - Speaker 4 It's. It's like almost whispered. 1:09:25 - Speaker 3 Wow references you know references, folks who spend their life picking the strawberries and raspberries. 1:09:31 - Speaker 1 We, i believe, Yeah, I would guess so. 1:09:37 - Speaker 3 I believe it does So yeah. 1:09:39 - Speaker 4 Are we going to? 1:09:40 - Speaker 1 rules. You got it, dude. 1:09:48 - Speaker 4 I love the song. It was so fucking cool and so chill. This starts out with those huge cymbal crashes in the beginning. This is the second song in the record that references a pedestrian crossing, talks about a crossing guard not doing their job. 1:10:04 - Speaker 1 So yeah, it's really reference of and the second reference of super farmer. Uh-huh Right. 1:10:11 - Speaker 3 In that same in that same Stan's line. Got some agricultural themes happening. Probably the third agricultural theme. 1:10:21 - Speaker 4 Yeah, I don't know I just the phrasing was beautiful. I'm wondering what a bard is. B-a-r-d. 1:10:28 - Speaker 3 There's a couple of references with that. One is it has to do with a Shakespeare reference. 1:10:35 - Speaker 1 That's what I thought, yeah. 1:10:36 - Speaker 3 Yeah, and then the other one is I'm not going to butcher it, the other one has to do with fighting. I have to look it up. 1:10:46 - Speaker 1 Let's just go with Shakespeare. 1:10:48 - Speaker 3 Yeah, it's some Shakespeare reference. 1:10:52 - Speaker 4 And then to the line about the vacuum's got a guarantee. I just that line hooked me in so much because it was so random that I was like really in just pay super close attention to what he said. And the next line that he delivers, which is it could suck a virus, an ancient virus from the sea, is like what the like again put on the hat, put on your jacket, close the briefcase. Fucking. Done your job today. 1:11:23 - Speaker 1 Leave the office, gordon, that's right Punch out or whatever. 1:11:27 - Speaker 4 The whole, that whole stand is fucking amazing. There's a table slide And then oh, by the way, this song, and fuck, there was one other song. God damn this song. and one other song at the record. on the record It's earlier. I want to say it may be something on or say the planet. at the very end of it You hear the word somebody in the studio is cool. Yeah, so it doesn't feel so and there was one other two, one other song on the record that they did, so I was like they did that twice. 1:12:05 - Speaker 1 That's cool. I'm going to need access to your premium sound system. 1:12:10 - Speaker 4 Well, I mean GD, that's. We know this is not stuff we just hand on. It's kind of like you know top secret Clarence, There's a lot involved, A lot of screaming All right, all right, all right. 1:12:22 - Speaker 3 He passed. He's done it. Yes, true, yes, we're adjourning my current, for he's had it. Yeah, i heard the song and I thought Pete loves this song so much And when we come talk about it on the pod it's going to be all Pete. 1:12:43 - Speaker 1 You know how much to say. 1:12:44 - Speaker 3 I thought it was kind of a yonder. I got you know some, some from it, But you know I was like this. The song isn't for me. I thought it was kind of a yonder. I was going to leave it to Pete. 1:12:58 - Speaker 1 We're going to come back in a year because it's going to be a grower for you. I guarantee this song will be a grower for you. 1:13:04 - Speaker 3 If it's not, you guys both have to buy me beers. I can live with that, Yeah, yeah. 1:13:11 - Speaker 1 Okay. Well then let's slide into Sugar and Falls Ohio. 1:13:15 - Speaker 4 Take it Timbo. 1:13:17 - Speaker 3 Yeah, so Sugar and Falls. So this song I thought was basically a huge fuck off to corporate man, to the man. I thought this is like. This song is driving some culture into the fan base. It's probably, you know, was played a lot on the radio. I thought this one you know I could be wrong, but this song to me felt like on the verge of angry a little bit more than usual. I'd maybe really wonder about it live, if this got more raucous, if it got a little bit more I don't know violent feeling. And I think it's because it thematically, which is where I'm going to go, not so much with music on this one, but thematically it Sugar and Falls, in my research. That's the headquarters of Clear Channel, which at the time Clear Channel Corporation was slowly taking over media, especially North America. Yeah, so that's a lot of the references to Grand Falls. You know where the unknown won't even go. Because at this point I mean that line to me says if you're an artist and you're trying to make it like, avoid your Grand Falls, avoid Clear Channel, you know, be careful with what radio you're sending your tapes to your CDs to like this. This is that song that is kind of the band's shout to the world of, you know, corporate media is taking over the airwaves, you know, be aware So that that to me the song has like a mission. It felt like the first time I listened to it. When I got to you know, three quarters, two thirds of the way through, i thought is this song like over five minutes? you know it felt long, but it didn't feel long in a bad way, like it felt like a good, just a really well written song. Like I was kind of digging through Grand Falls, it felt like a five minute song, but it's not a five minute song. I didn't look up live versions of it but I definitely want to find something. 1:15:47 - Speaker 1 Yeah, get the answers to your questions. I can't, unfortunately, answer because I saw them on that tour and I don't remember if they played it, but I can't. 1:15:57 - Speaker 3 It was somewhat rare. I feel like it was probably going to be a rare rarely. 1:16:01 - Speaker 1 Yeah, it would be one that would be, you know, gosh. Well, let me just quickly look up how many times they played it. 1:16:09 - Speaker 3 I mean for people that don't know, Clear Channel took over corporate. I mean took over FM radio. Over time, like so many stations became Clear Channel stations and became programmed. And I remember hearing the transition because, as a big radio listener, being bored in 71, you know, i listened to radio for like 20 years, 15 at least, 20 years and they just completely took over And I remember hearing DJs demeanor changing from independent radio station to now being put into this box And I feel like that's what the band is trying to talk about in this song And I think it's their fuck you to this corporate system of being in a band and trying to make it and just to inspire people to be independently minded. 1:17:08 - Speaker 4 Yeah, it's funny you mentioned Clear Channel only because I want to talk about the song, because I feel a little bit different about the song in some ways than you do, tim, and it's funny, like Tim, i didn't do fucking a pubic here. The research you did for this fucking song. I had to look up where Chagrin Falls was but, and I dug it. But yeah, that's when there used to be a great station in classic rock station in LA called Arrow 93. And they went over to that Jack. You know that Jack format Jack FM, which is just, it's just a guy who like record something and it's like a cheesy line and he

Ever find yourself reminiscing about the good old days when tunes from The Tragically Hip filled the airwaves? My pals, Tim and Pete, and I sure did, as we took a deep dive into their 6th studio album, Phantom Power. We discovered that our own past experiences and relationships managed to shape our views on this collection of radio hits, which seemed like a pivotal moment for the band. We weren't just content with superficially jamming out to the music. We dissected the unique sound and lyrical themes, compared them to previous Hip releases, and found ourselves swapping stories from past concerts. One standout memory was Tim being recognized by lead vocalist Gord Downie backstage. We also discussed the historical context of the album, like how its recording coincided with a major ice storm and a surprise tour that benefited a children's cancer camp. Stick around as we analyze some standout tunes like 'Poets' and its references to Gwen Jacobs' fight for women's equality. We also shared our thoughts on 'Fireworks' and how it reminded us of Canada's victory in the hockey series against Russia in 1972. So, whether you're a die-hard Hip fan or just love a good music chat, this episode is for you!TranscriptSpeaker 1 It's June of 1998 and I'm done with York University. To celebrate, my friends and I embarked on a camping trip to the Pinary Provincial Park just down the road from Grand Bend. It was just outside the liquor store in town that I heard a finished version of Pullets for the first time. Gord had long been one of my favorite Pullets, so to me this song resonated in a way that I can't quite describe. It was a feeling of euphoria and relief. This new record was going to be just fine, i thought to myself. Little did I know that several tracks on this record would stand the test of time and join the pantheon of great hip songs I still enjoy to this day, from the meandering escape is at hand to the traveling man, to the exquisite Bob Cajun and the downright delicious Emperor Penguin. Phantom power was right in the pocket, coming off of the exceptional trouble at the henhouse. As I got inside the truck to head back to the campsite I turned the volume up and just let Pullets sink into my brain. This was living. Today. We're going to hear from our friends Pete and Tim to check out what they think of Phantom power. Will it stack up? Find out today. On Getting Hip to the Hip. 0:01:41 - Speaker 2 Long sliced brewery presents Getting Hip to the Hip Hey it's JD here. 0:01:58 - Speaker 1 Welcome back to Getting Hip to the Hip. This week we are talking about Phantom Power, the sixth studio record by Seminole Canadian rock band, the Tragically Hip. I'm joined this week, as always, by my pals Tim and Pete Fellas. how are you doing? 0:02:19 - Speaker 3 Hey guys, hey guys, hey guys, glad to be here. Good to see you, i'm ecstatic to be here. 0:02:26 - Speaker 4 I'm ecstatic to be here right now. 0:02:27 - Speaker 1 Oh, I love it. 0:02:28 - Speaker 4 I love the energy This is happier than a pig and shit. 0:02:31 - Speaker 1 Oh boy, oh boy, that's pretty happy. I've seen some, some porcine creatures rolling in fecal matter and they sure love it. Okay, so if you are wanting to experience The Tragically Hip's music for the first time, tim and Pete are your avatars this week because they got to experience the record Phantom Power, which again is the sixth record produced by Steve Berlin, first record on Universal. But I guess I should tell you guys both. I guess I should say this to you both as honorary Canadians. Now, happy Canada Day. It's almost the 4th of July. It's July 3rd today, but it's July 4th tomorrow for you, but July 1st for us is Canada Day. So happy Canada Day, folks. 0:03:20 - Speaker 4 Wow, Yeah, Very close to the other 4th of July, which is America's Independence Day. In the UK they call that Thanksgiving. No, No, I had a. I took a flight one time on some shitty airline and the pilot was British and it was on the 4th of July and he was like so I just want to say you know, that's my shitty British accent Happy 4th of July was we call it. We're on from Thanksgiving. Enjoy Whatever. 0:03:57 - Speaker 1 That's great. Oh, anytime you can burn an American a little bit, it's. you know there's some fun. There's some fun there because you guys are so goddamn good at this shit, you know Anyway let's get into the record as a whole. Before we go into the song by song segment, let's just talk about this record, produced, like I said, by Steve Berlin. Five singles come from this record. All music rates at a three out of five Three. So there's that. What did you guys think? I want to know where you listen to it, how you listen to it and what your initial thoughts were, and you know, maybe, what they percolated up to. What do you say there, tim? 0:04:45 - Speaker 3 Well, there's a pause. I thought it was a three star album, kind of like all music I felt wasn't really sure. it felt a little bit deluded in a way. to me It felt a little bit, a little bit more generic from what I've heard in the past. But it also felt kind of expected for the whole catalog of albums this band has produced and the timeline going into the late 90s. You know this album felt like full of radio hits but at the same time I was missing a little bit of that raw kind of hip feeling. You know, i was wondering like, should I be okay with this album just being kind of fine? This was the turning point for me. I was really not sure. When I read kind of some reviews about it, i think there was some sentiment, some shared sentiment, and also some people were like it's my favorite album and some hip fans said it's their least favorite album. So this one's kind of a gray area for me. 0:06:00 - Speaker 1 It's funny. Well, I'll get into my, you know, sort of backgrounder on this for you guys after we hear from Pete. Pete, what did you think? 0:06:09 - Speaker 4 I hear you on the gray area, because I could totally see that. I could totally see how some hip fans are like this is the best album they did. Or this is not my favorite album. For me I listen to it everywhere. I listen to it in my office, so for my computer, with some some decent cans, i took it out running a lot. Probably. I think maybe the first time I listened to it was that took it in the car. It sounded great. The thing I found like I would say 3.5 for me, tim, instead of a 3. But you know I feel you on that My initial thoughts were that a lot of rawness of the hip was gone from this. In the first couple of listens it sounded very watered down. It was like somebody pulled Gord Downey aside and said Hey man, can we just like, kind of like the dude, can you, can, you fucking can you take it easy, man, you know, just like. Told him to just like chill out a little bit, and I don't know. The more I listen to it though, the more I dug into it and see how much work maybe not production, but just from the band themselves went into this record maybe changed my tune a lot Like I dig it. And Phantom Power, that was the coolest thing in the 90s, man Like because sometimes you didn't know what it was. If you never heard of Phantom Power before, it has a fucking cool name. If you had a guy that had like a condenser mic or something with Phantom Power, you're like dude, yeah, he's got a mic, that's got a Phantom Power. It was just like fucking. You were 17 and you heard that it was fucking cool. 0:08:00 - Speaker 3 Yeah, you know, i went and looked at a number of albums sold by a bunch of different bands, including the hip, and I was trying to kind of have this try to find this correlation of how many albums sold from the band start to like 10 years later, or 10 albums later, something like that. And I compared the hip with a bunch of bands And it's, it's. It's really all apples, oranges, of course, but when you look at how many albums they've sold and how they, you know, started off selling a ton and then just kind of went down to this million album mark. And then when I heard this album and I like UP, i listened to it all over the place. I listened to it on the plane I traveled, listened to it in the car, listened to it at home with the cans on. I mean I listened to it in more places than past listens because I was really trying to give it a go. I mean, it was the first time, upon first listened, that there were a couple songs where I was like okay, get it, i'm going to go to the next one, like I had not fast forwarded songs, you had her skipped ahead. So this, yeah, but but one of those songs that I skipped ahead on, sorry hip fans. You know I came back to and it's might be one of my most favorite on the album, so this this one like yeah, this one, this one to me like didn't grab me right away. Maybe it will more over time, maybe it's one of those types of albums, but well, i'll tell you what this record has. 0:09:36 - Speaker 1 An interesting, an interesting story, i think, and it it's my own headcanon This is. This is not like actual fact by any stretch, but in my opinion, trouble at the Henhouse, which is one of my absolute favorite records by the Tragically Hip or or or any other band, is, was maligned Like it, it, it, it, it both it and day for night didn't perform as well as fully, completely, and fully completely was very, if you recall, it was very polished, it was very produced. You know they went to London to record it. It was like a big deal. And then, following that, the next two records, they were sort of self-produced, with Mark Vreakin and Mark Howard on day for night and just Vreakin on fully, on Trouble at the Henhouse, and those records are sparse and they are. The core energy is, is there, it's, it's. It's like boiling hot magma, you know, and they're and they're forming these songs that are just age old now and and just wonderful, and then phantom power comes out and phantom power goes back to the like. To me it's sort of back to the back, to the basics. It's like back to really structured songs, really produced, and, like I always said, that this record was the baby of day for night and fully and completely, fully, completely, rather not fully and completely fully. It's sort of the baby of those two records. It's got the, it's got the production values, but it's still got songs. So I'll challenge you guys on that, because I think this record has songs and I think it has songs for days. You know what? 0:11:40 - Speaker 4 you are JD, let me tell you who you are. So when I was like 19 or 18, working with the movie theater, i dated this girl that that worked at the calendar place across the way And I just kind of went out with her because I was like really stoked. She gave me your number But I really wasn't that into her and all my friends were like, dude, she's really hot man, she's really amazing, and I just didn't see it. And so then like I stopped going out with her. We only went out a couple of times and that was that. And then I saw her again. I was like, damn, i really screwed that one up And that's kind of felt with this record, but I didn't want to like make that same mistake again. So like I, i'm sticking with it. I'm sticking with this being a solid album. Yeah, you know, yeah Masked it for, you know, a third and fourth date. 0:12:26 - Speaker 1 Yeah, i think, and I think three out of five stars is fair Like it's not it's not one of my. it's not my favorite record, but it's a lot of hit pants favorite record It's a lot Yeah, yeah. 0:12:39 - Speaker 3 That's that's what I found in my research. The covers are awesome. The covers are great. 0:12:43 - Speaker 1 They have that They actually have that panel in in their studio and bath, which is really cool. Yeah, so that's, you know this is. I want to say this is the second record they recorded at their studio. So they didn't go anywhere, you know, adventurous or anything like that, but they were at home. And what happened in 1998, i don't know if it made news anywhere else but Quebec and Ontario there was a major ice storm, yeah, major ice storm, and in Ontario it, like it absolutely shut down the city of Toronto. It shut down, you know, major thoroughfares. It was like devastating this ice storm. And we'll get into that a little bit more as we talk about the songs. But you know, they bring Berlin in and they're sort of trapped in the studio. You know like during during this, so really fascinating I think. 0:13:43 - Speaker 3 But yeah, it's a go ahead. Did you see this tour? Did you see them play on this tour? You want to hear a story Now? 0:13:52 - Speaker 1 people who listen to the movie and completely heard this. But the hip announced five secret shows that they were going to do, and all proceeds from these shows were going to go to a charity I forget which charity now at the oh, it was Camp Trillium. Camp Trillium, which is a camp for children with cancer, children that have cancer, and there's a location of that is near where I grew up And I'll show you when we, when you're in town for the finale. My friend's parents were on the committee for the cancer camp in our community, and so my friend Heather had intel and she she knew that they were going to go on sale at this time in this place in Hamilton, which is about an hour outside of Toronto, when traffic's good, and so we ended up getting third row center seats Wow, in this small theater in Hamilton, like 2000 people, and they blew the roof off the place. And a band called oh my goodness. They sang, come for a ride. Open for them, and they were tremendous as well. I forget the bands right now who open for them, but if you know it, send me an email. Jd at getting hip to the hipcom. So we're third row center. We watched the show, But the kicker here is is that Heather has got gifts to give the band And it's been arranged with the stage manager that we're going to go backstage afterwards to give. She's going to go backstage afterwards to give these gifts And she ended up inviting me along And so we got to go backstage and I introduced her to the tragic lab. So this was like this was like full circle for the two of us And it was just a wonderful experience. We went backstage after the show and they were all there and Gord had a. Gord Downey had a soccer ball And he was doing that thing where you flip it out, catch it and roll it back in your arms. Flip it out, catch it, roll it back in your arms And he just kept doing that And I remember at one point I must have looked silly or something, because somebody said and maybe it was Gord Downey said is everything all right? And I said, oh, everything is fucking perfect. I could go outside and get hit by a bus right now And it just wouldn't matter. And Gord Downey looked at me and he goes Oh, don't do that, jane. He called me Jane, only my mom calls me Jane. Like it was so cool It was cool. 0:16:37 - Speaker 4 How did I not know the story? How did I not know that you had interactions with Jesus? 0:16:44 - Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, how was this? 0:16:45 - Speaker 4 coming up in episode. What fucking episode are we on. 0:16:48 - Speaker 1 Well, it was Tim asked me the question, yeah. 0:16:50 - Speaker 3 I don't know. We're like 15 minutes in. I think we could just call it. That was good enough. 0:16:55 - Speaker 1 Well, here's the kicker. Here's the kicker. I don't think I told this part on fully and completely, but the kicker is I had been dating a girl all through university and I broke up with her the summer of 98 and sewed my wild oats And this was all toward the end of the summer of 98. And she was in Hamilton to meet me after the show. So I'm backstage with the hip and they go Okay, well, we're going to go to the after party now in the next room over, because this was in the green room or whatever And we're going to go in the after party room and drink some beers. Do you guys want to join us? And I had to say no. I had to say no because my girlfriend was waiting outside for me. Now, in hindsight, what a boner move I made, because I wanted to get back together with her. Totally. It only lasted another two years after that, like I then absolutely blew up, but it was those. Those final two years were awful anyway, like they just weren't, you know, like both of us would agree to that now I'm sure the university years were wonderful, they were, they were great, but those those two years after our break up we're not so good And I blew a chance to go party with the hip. 0:18:15 - Speaker 3 You had a Davis Manning moment. 0:18:18 - Speaker 1 Yes, Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 0:18:22 - Speaker 3 He chose the girl over your fandom. 0:18:25 - Speaker 1 The hip lived between us. 0:18:27 - Speaker 3 They totally lived between you. They might still sorry, sorry, jess. 0:18:38 - Speaker 1 Well, folks, should we go song by song? 0:18:41 - Speaker 3 Yeah, let's do it, let's do it. 0:18:44 - Speaker 4 So I really liked this song. I really liked poets. This is probably the song I would say I have the least to say about. I really like the verse phrasing. I think it's probably the best part of this song, the way he phrases the verses. There's a part where the lines of a verse he kind of like carries into the next measure. It's really weird, like, like, like the mind, you think, okay, you sing the verse, then it's the next measure, but like he sings that verse over there Because it's when you look at it it's a complete line. I can't remember the line specifically, but it was. It was cool man. It's a hard thing to pull off man, but like that guy just does. It was so much, so much finesse. I liked the layered guitars in it, yeah. But I think, going back to what we're saying sort of at the beginning of the top of the show, it was, this song didn't punch me in the face Like right when I, right when I started listening, i dug it. I it was a soft open, it was a soft open. 0:19:59 - Speaker 1 All right, how'd you feel, tim? 0:20:01 - Speaker 3 I felt it was a harder open. I thought it was it. You know this. Like we've talked about before the cadence of songs and track orders. You know the first one I expect to really get me, bring me in, and this one did it. I thought it was pretty good. There's a fun kind of change over into the chorus It again I spoke about this a little bit before, but the kind of remind me of REM in REM's, like first half of the 90's albums, like they come on with like a punch of a song and then, like the cadence of the album kind of goes soft and then gets whoa, got a little dirty there, gets a little bit harder as time evolves. But yeah, this I thought this was a good start off. The themes you know I looked into a little bit of the song's meaning regarding lyrics and you know just talk about agriculture and super farms and like I don't know, ultimately fresh vegetables versus buying frozen and what that means. And this, this is the song that references Gwen Jacobs. Right, you know the story about her JD, and she was this woman who walked into town I think in Ontario topless and it created this whole. I don't have to look into this more, but I'm pretty sure this was the song about the Gwen Jacobs case. So Gwen was a woman who walked through town topless and was arrested and started this whole kind of woman's lib. You know movement with. You know making it okay to cut your lawn without a shirt on, just like the men do. That's kind of where the line in here from Gord comes from. It's a let's see. 0:22:02 - Speaker 1 Oh, that's great Lawn caught by breasted women. 0:22:04 - Speaker 3 Yeah, it's kind of this comment on pushing for women's equality and gender rights. So I thought that was fucking cool And that, to me also, is like really appropriate for the 90s or late 90s, you know it was. we were kind of circling back to, of course, some things we've had in North America before and prior decades. So I thought this song was cool. Again, it really reminded me of REM. I kind of went back and started looking at some of REM's albums and I wish, again, i wish I could know what the band listened to when they were traveling Me too. You know what they were sharing, what albums they were digging. you know if any of them were like Oh my God, did you hear REM's new one? We're going to put it in the the the buses stereo or whatever. Like I wish I could know what was influencing them, because I'm hearing, i'm hearing some some themes for sure. 0:22:57 - Speaker 1 Okay, earlier I was telling you about the ice storm. The next track, something on, was recorded and they literally were trapped in the studio. They were, you know, they couldn't leave the bath house, they couldn't leave the studio in bath. So they did what they do best They wrote a song and there's some lyrical content in there about the ice storm even And I think it's really wonderful lyricism. What did you guys think of something on? 0:23:33 - Speaker 3 I felt like, okay, i read about it, i read about this and I read about the ice storm and you know sounded awful. And for I hate to say this, but to go get stuck in a studio, for me that'd be like the time to really fuck things up, like really experiment. You know, you know, just hopefully somebody shows up with a huge bag of weed and somebody shows up with a bunch of acid and somebody shows up with a shit ton of beer and like this is when you like really go to town to experiment and what do we got out of it? We got like kind of a radio hit. So it was a little surprise to kind of hear the whole story and it just made me realize that maybe for this era, the guys were really I mean, they were at a point to where they could bust out a really good album, you know, and what, for me, that really good album is? like you go to a restaurant and it's like yo, that was a good meal. You know, everything was like satisfactory. 0:24:37 - Speaker 1 Well, yeah, it's a blooming onion man. 0:24:38 - Speaker 3 It's a blooming onion, Yeah, but to get stuck in a studio and ice storm, it's like I personally would want to just start going places. I haven't been before with my band, but you know this one's interesting take. Yeah, this one felt. This one felt a little radio felt a little you too, dave Matthews like splash of John Cougar melon camp or something like I don't know. Man, it felt, i know. I know, i know, i know. 0:25:10 - Speaker 1 And I was a big melon camp guy at one point. 0:25:13 - Speaker 4 But Dave, Matthews are regular. 0:25:16 - Speaker 1 Cougar and regular. 0:25:18 - Speaker 3 Yeah, like I couldn't get overly excited about this one. Well, again. 0:25:26 - Speaker 1 I think you were waiting for the follow up from the follow up to trouble at the house, and this isn't the follow up that you're expecting on a trajectory perspective. You know no no, i agree. 0:25:44 - Speaker 4 It's funny. You talk about getting trapped in the studio, like I mean, i don't know if I'd go like full steely Dan when they recorded the Albuquerque show, where, like you know, there maybe was not that much cocaine around, but I still agree with him, i would. I'd get really spacey, and I think they do it on a couple songs that we'll get into, but first time I heard this song got some heavy Jim Blossom's feels. Yeah yeah, Yes that's the first thing that hit me and I couldn't think of any of the band that it was like a buddy of mine used to play the band that they open for them a ton, and I was like the first band that came to mind like this Oh, and it was really poppy. And okay, my notes. Once you get past the repeated cheesiness of the chord progression and the vocal melody, it's not a bad song. 0:26:40 - Speaker 1 Oh dammit, with faint praise here. No, no, no, it's not a bad song. 0:26:44 - Speaker 4 I think it's a good song, but you know it's a good song. If, like you, take this song and go, is this a good song? Anybody will say it's a good song, but like you, said to me compared to the follow up of what you really wanted after trouble. Then else, and this was a song where I feel like Gord sounded a bit like he was put in the cage Like whoever was a universal when this record was getting recorded, put baby in the corner. And this is a song where really I feel like you know he's, he wants to be himself, but somebody's like, hey, man, just could you like you don't have to do it all the songs, but like at least on this one could you just, fucking, you know, tone it down a little bit. And I was just like, ah, where's my fucking, where's my lead singer. 0:27:33 - Speaker 3 Yeah, I totally agree, Because you know it's still a good song, because it's still all the guys and it still has themes, because it's Gord, you know you're still going to get one liners that are amazing. I feel like probably no matter what in any hip song there's going to be some standout lyric to me, some standout part like to the core fan. That's. That's really what I'm imagining. The line that stood out in this one for me was your imaginations having puppies, I mean yeah, yeah. I've had so many letters of puppies, you guys. It's like I'm just, i've got puppies all over the place. It's like. 0:28:11 - Speaker 4 I was a cool. I really like that one. Yeah, like that, like that video for new recruits or something. 0:28:17 - Speaker 3 Yeah, so I like identified in it. You know, at that personal level, which I think they're able to do just about on any song which is fucking amazing for a band to do, because I could probably name 10 bands right now. What that does not happen to me, yeah, so you know. So, in that regard, like hip fans, you know I'm, i'm I'm not really trying not to be the bad guy here, but we this, this, this just made this song, just made me keep going So into save the planet. I mean, i got to this one, arrived at this one, and I was like, is this the band's fucking Earth Day song? or stretch their reach to get on the farm aid bill, like what is going on here? I felt like I don't know, there's a flute in there. Who's playing the flute? 0:29:09 - Speaker 1 Who plays the flute? You know, i don't. I don't have the liner notes handy And on the wiki page it is remarkably barren in terms of additional players. Yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't have them, so I need people to write in. 0:29:25 - Speaker 3 If people know, let us know, because there's some flute in there And it made me wonder like what else? 0:29:31 - Speaker 1 there's keys all over this record. 0:29:33 - Speaker 3 Yeah, what else have I been missing in the background that maybe other people are participating in? But I felt, like you know this song, in the placement we were, we were filling, we were filling in the gaps on the menu And you're like, no, I had a burger yesterday. No, I'm not in the mood for that. Oh, I could really use some lasagna. Here we go. That's that's how Save the Planet felt, felt very time appropriate. This is, like you know, the millennial song. 0:30:02 - Speaker 1 Okay. 0:30:03 - Speaker 4 All right. So if anybody's got a line on the flute player, email Tim getting hip to the hip, talk there you go. Right, i copy Pete at getting hip Yeah. Save the Planet. I thought it was a banger. I really dug it. I at first I saw that too, but then I kind of look past the name of it And just look at the song itself. There's a. There's two references in this album to Crossing the Street, to pedestrian crossings. Yes, i'll point out the other one. This is the first one Fucking solo bangs in this. I thought the flute at the end was cool because it was so random. 0:30:47 - Speaker 3 I was like well, what the fuck is that? Yeah? 0:30:50 - Speaker 4 Same. 0:30:52 - Speaker 1 There's. You just can't imagine listening to road apples and having a flute right Like. It's just not part of this band. You know like and and and it works It works well, no, right? 0:31:05 - Speaker 4 Yeah, you know, if they went into that I'd be like, well, what the fuck's going on? 0:31:10 - Speaker 3 But I'll just quickly, quickly add that I'm okay with the flute. Like sometimes, the flute really is awesome. Oh, i think it's great. So you know, like some people like hear the flute and they're like oh why You know, but it works. 0:31:24 - Speaker 4 No, i dug it And this is again. This is not the first song, or not the only song in this record where I got some heavy Alanis vibes. The phrasing on if the bathwater is clear and my ears underwater, it's a tolerant hum from the core. Carry the water Like that the way he phrases that shit, it's just. I don't know if I see because it's a Canadian band, if I see everything through the lens of like Canadian pop artists. But like it's just the vibe I got from this and it's a great tune to get out and move your feet to get running. It's a fucking cool song to run. 0:32:09 - Speaker 3 All right, i'll put it on my point first I hear your Alanis vibes marry and up with my Michael Stipe vibes. I think those are in sync for sure, for sure. 0:32:20 - Speaker 1 I think there's a nice correlation between the hip and REM, like I think you're right, like they both have that enigmatic front man, you know, who is really literate and really interesting in the way they sort of phrase things and put things together. 0:32:39 - Speaker 4 They both went bold too, halfway through the careers, that's right, that's a fair point. 0:32:45 - Speaker 1 Fair point, fair point, all right, we're getting in the car right now and we are cruising northeast of here and we're going to Bob Cajun. I left your house this morning. 0:33:40 - Speaker 7 It was quarter after nine. I left your house this morning. I left your house this morning. I drove back to town this morning This morning with working on my mind, i thought I'd maybe try to leave an ear behind. I went back to bed this morning and it's time pulling down the blind. Yeah, the sky was dull, it was high but never come. And morning went down at a time that night in Toronto And I was jacking boardboards, riding on horseback and keeping order restored. Tell the men they couldn't hide. Step to the mic and sign and their voices rang with the area of time. To your house this morning. It was quarter after nine. In the middle of that riot I couldn't get you off of my mind. To your house this morning. It was just a little hour tonight Cause it was in my page on the rossard and constellation, but they themselves won't starve at time. To your house this morning It's a little after nine Cause it was in my page on the rossard and constellation, but they themselves won't starve at time. 0:37:32 - Speaker 5 Tell the men they couldn't hide, they didn't choose your bones and bones. They're all south of the wind and down the lawn to the lake For as long as it takes. 0:38:05 - Speaker 7 I don't want to be a hill of the birds last hour. I don't want the last words out of my mouth to be stained Out of my way. 0:38:16 - Speaker 4 Okay, I fucking love this tune. I got some heavy and Tim, yes or yes. If I hear no, I'm just I'm off this podcast Got some really strong G love special sauce vibes from this. Yes, Just the way they owe up. Am I my GD? 0:38:42 - Speaker 1 I don't know, i think I think I'm very familiar. 0:38:46 - Speaker 3 I did not go there, but I will Okay. 0:38:51 - Speaker 4 Right, i mean the. there's a oh dude that it could have been Willie, could have been the wine. I heard that song. The first time I heard that song I was. I took it out for a run and I came home and I like I listened to it again because I just thought it was such a good fucking song, because it's a weed. reference to may not necessarily be about them listening to Willie Nelson. It's like they were smoking weed or they were drinking wine, absolutely Yeah. The opening, like spacey guitar licks The dobro which I think he's playing. there's a dobro in there that he's playing which kind of gets sort of like a banjo slash guitar vibe. Oh God, just. 0:39:40 - Speaker 1 I feel like that lyric that you just quoted, though, could have been the Willie Nelson, could have been the wine. That's like one, like when he wrote that he should have just put the book down, put on a fedora, long overcoat, grabbed his briefcase, just went home for the day, that's. That's the days. That's the day at the office, that's a fucking. Exactly. 0:40:00 - Speaker 4 That's just a great lyric Exactly dude, no, 100%, it's so good. I was like you know. You know, a line is a good line when you hear it and it's so good you think you've heard it before. Meaning like I'm like right, i mean because it just sounds like it belongs on this in the history of life, Like like someone has, like if someone hadn't said it, they sure as shit should have said it. Does that make sense? Yeah, you know, it sounds like it's just. It's a great fucking line. I thought I maybe quit that line. It's just. It's really the part of this song where Gord starts coming out of the cage. On this record, i feel like that was the moment Somebody gave, somebody unlocked the door of the cage and he's starting to come out, and then the song ends on a random minor chord, which is so weird, it's such a happy, spacey song that ends on this minor chord. 0:41:09 - Speaker 3 I loved that. I loved that about it. So for me this one it felt a little Out of the gates. I need to listen to the beginning of it to see your G-Love reference. But out of the gates. It felt to me a little bit country and a little bit like are we reaching again for some crossover fans Along? the southern belt of the US. Like where are we? What's happening here? You know there's some slide guitar, but is it a song about lost love? You know looking up at the stars waiting for a reveal. You know there's synth work in here again, so there's some sort of keyboard happening, which is fucking cool. And to me, the first lesson I had all those kind of questions going through my head And then I thought at one moment like this is actually a fucking beautiful song. Like it's a little bit of an odd man out on the album, but it's actually a beautiful song. There's this long ending with no singing. It's just mysterious. Like you said, pete, the last five seconds or so, or this just bizarre tune out. It's like I found one quote when Gord was asked about this song. He said this was an interview in 2004,. He said this one asks the question evil in the open or evil just below the surface? That was his comment about this song. So it's like this song to me was super mysterious Yeah, super mysterious song which I fucking love, like I don't need literal storytelling every single song you know. Social themes, i don't know all these different things, i don't need that. Every single song I love you know kind of the knuckleball that comes in. You're like whoa okay, this is reeling me back in to the album in a good way, a way that I'm looking for, you know, i'm hoping for, but still, again, this one felt a little bit odd, man, just the way it fits into the album. They've done this before. They've gotten. 0:43:15 - Speaker 4 They lose green man. 0:43:16 - Speaker 3 Yeah, they've gone on this path of like okay, this one, now we're going to turn off the highway and head down this two-lane road and we're going to stop at this farm and we're going to have an afternoon barbecue with this family, and you know, i don't know, like it's just this one's off the highway. 0:43:35 - Speaker 1 Cool. What do you guys think of the bridge? It makes my arm hair stand up That night in Toronto with the checkerboard floors. There's a bar in Toronto that's famous legendary in fact called the Horseshoe and that references the Horseshoe, the checkerboard floors. Oh shit, that's one of the first big gigs they played in Toronto. 0:43:55 - Speaker 4 Can I get taken to that bar when I come visit Toronto? 0:43:57 - Speaker 1 Absolutely. Let's do it. Sure shit hopes so man. 0:44:00 - Speaker 4 That would be cool. This song is actually the most listened to hip song on Spotify. 0:44:07 - Speaker 1 Oh, wow Yeah. 0:44:09 - Speaker 3 Surpasses. I read something about that as well. 0:44:13 - Speaker 4 What was the one that it surpassed? 0:44:16 - Speaker 1 I can't remember Anyway yeah Well, so it's a hit all around Pop Cage. 0:44:21 - Speaker 3 Yeah, it was a fucking interesting song, right? This is. 0:44:25 - Speaker 1 So we shift gears now in a well, not in a huge way, because this is sort of low tempo or slower tempo. We go to Thompson Girl and you're both hesitating to start Thompson Girl. 0:44:41 - Speaker 4 Go ahead Tim. 0:44:42 - Speaker 3 Yeah, well, you know what's the story about here. I don't know. It's the story potentially about where is it here, This town in Manitoba, thompson, yeah, or it's. You know it's potentially about a nickel mining company up there. You know it's got this kind of sweet, forlorn grunt work somewhere between dream and duty, poking through with all them shoots of beauty. I mean, what is that about? You know, this is kind of a cute, in a way stripped down acoustic song. There's some banjo in there. You know, i've kind of been waiting for, I had been waiting for this type of stripped down, simpler song that you know it's kind of this forlorn, sad song to me at the same time. 0:45:42 - Speaker 1 Probably Pete. 0:45:44 - Speaker 4 I loved it. I thought it was cool. I think I don't know if it's consistent with you and I, tim, but like I really try not to look too deep into the lyrics because oftentimes I'm disappointed, that's why I don't do it. I know you do it a lot more than I do I totally do. 0:46:03 - Speaker 3 I mean it's because of Gord, like Gord Gord. for me, gord merits it. 0:46:09 - Speaker 4 I get intrigued though, but like dude so does. I mentioned Celie Daner earlier. Like Donald Fagan's lyrics are notoriously cool as fuck. But have you ever asked that guy like what he you know what's, what's the meaning of? you know Dr Woo or whatever, like he'll be, like I don't know man, we're on so much cocaine. Back in the day I was just getting shipped to prime or whatever you know like, and I know that's not really the case here. But that line, the way he goes up so high with grunt work, i can't. I'm not even gonna fucking try lest I fucking destroy your listener base JD by singing that line. But when he goes grunt work time between dream and duty the melody is so fucking good It's then there's a part. Um, i don't know if it's like, i don't know, i wouldn't call it the bridge, but it is a bit of a some sort of key change to the regular chord progression. When he goes really high and then the mandolin starts to come in fucking dug that. And then the piano kind of comes in at the end as well, it's fucking cool. I really dig it. Yeah, i liked it First. I didn't like it. I didn't like the chord progression. It just seemed to like, like you said, tim, acoustic. It's sending, like it was like this should be an acoustic song. 0:47:30 - Speaker 3 Keep it that way. Yeah, yeah. But then it grew on me real quick, which is maybe something I would potentially envision. From a stuck in the studio couple days, you know, you'd get to a point to where everybody's kind of burned out and you pick up the acoustic and somebody says to the piano and you talk about is it INCO, inco and the fucking nickel mining, and I, you know, i looked at it a little bit into that in Manitoba and was like, oh geez, here's, here's a historical. You know, just rabbit hole that I can't go down right now. But it just this, to me, is just one of those, one of those songs that fits in well with this whole album And it's something we haven't really had in the past. So it's kind of happy to hear it. Next one membership Who's who's singing backups Somebody found, is it Gord Is? 0:48:28 - Speaker 1 it Gord over. Usually it's Paul Angla, usually Well. 0:48:32 - Speaker 3 I don't think it's Paul. It might be doubled. If you, if you go in and listen again, check out membership and listen to the backups, because it sounds like a woman to me and it sounds really familiar, like I've heard this voice before And I've looked and looked and looked but I can't find anything. It might be one of the guys, just you know, editing it in post or something, i don't know. But there's, there's some beautiful backup happening. This one, though you know it's wasn't my favorite on the album, i'm not going to put it on the playlist There's kind of a big change after the three minute mark with, like this new chorus. Of course it has my fade out at the end. You know there's there's kind of this bigger start to the song, but it's kind of slow in a way. I don't know. It's maybe about addiction, it's kind of a ballad. you know this, this one, it just felt like it didn't really fit in, didn't really wasn't really sure how it was working and it it made me consider you know I've done this a few times that it made me consider the band and what they were feeling you know they're coming in on 2000 here What they were feeling after 10 years, which is long for any band to retain some amount of success 10 years of playing and predominantly being popular in their home country and not even gaining a huge you know the level they deserved in the neighboring USA. So this this kind of made me think about all those things. I just didn't know if it was like about power abuse of power addiction or longing loss, i don't know. This song was kind of all over the map for me, but ultimately the chorus bugged me and it stuck in my head for a little while. I was like, oh, i need, i need some other, i need some other hip song stuck in my head and that's kind of where, honestly, that's where, like blow a high dough, just comes and takes over my brain. So that's what happened. 0:50:50 - Speaker 4 on membership, I you know I have a ton to say about this song. It's kind of like I put in the same categories Poets. It wasn't my favorite song in the record. I liked it, felt it like it was a very drone rock with a chord progression. It's the way it sounded. I love the harmonies. Tim mentioned the harmonies being drawn along by it. Like that line with the harmonies come in The middle, guitar solo where they kind of tease you with the guitar solo helps build the song kind of cool. But then, yeah, the fade out at the end is just like to me. It felt like they maybe didn't have, they didn't nail everything down with this one. That's all I'll say, you know, but yeah we can move on if you want, let's slide over to fireworks. 0:51:46 - Speaker 7 You like fireworks? Yeah, me neither. The frustrating part Never back in old 72 Without school, just a gun, without a gun or trigger. I don't remember a reason. Set me sight of you. You said I couldn't get a fuck about the party. Never heard something true back before You held my hand. We were on the long way Loosing in my grip on Bobby Moore. Never heard anything wrong before I blushed. When these ever sensations get in your way, no doubt this shit me spurred right now By your shoulder, and that an amazing what you can't accomplish now I'm not together every single moment. That's what we thought. We'd be married. We both do deep with the grip of art, of fish chaos, believing in the country, me and you. Christ has a faith in Christ, the sinner cramming Yeah, we've heard all this before It's winter time. The house is solid to the bones, loosing in our grip on this fake cold war. Is it an amazing and a better accomplish When we don't let no nation get in our way? No doubt this shit me spurred right now By your shoulder, and that an amazing what you can't accomplish now, next to your comrades in the nation of fitness, the program regarding some eternal past time, clopping to the mind in a fit of laughter, showing no patience, no tolerance, no respect By your words, next to the distance, contemplating towering, towering star By your words. And in late, never, till there are no stars anymore By your words. And in, straight in heaven, contemplating towering, towering star, till there are no stars shining up in heaven, till there are no stars anymore. Isn't it an amazing and a better accomplish When we don't let no nation get in our way? No doubt this shit me spurred right now By your brand of error, shining up in heaven, contemplating towering, towering star. I think this one thing never goes away And this ones thing's always supposed to stop. Oh, this funny thing doesn't have to go away, and I'm gonna lie. 0:55:41 - Speaker 4 Oh fuck, How much time you got, then Fucking song, this song, i just have the word. It's this fucking rush, rush, rush, rush, rush. Just so much rush in this song. Really, there's a couple of rush references on this record and this is number one. I would say that is it. Gord Sinclair, yeah, so like and I think he would agree with me, because I don't know that I don't know any bass player in Canada, let alone the entire world, would put them up against Geddy Lee. So I can't like, true, Like. I don't think the bass in this song was supremely rushed, but the chord progression, the structure of the song, the lyrics, isn't it amazing? anything's accomplished Is fucking. It's so fucking dude, it's fucking rush, completely Fucking. It's like they should have just made a record with one song on it and sent it to Rush and been like this is for you guys, we love you guys. And dude, i'm not saying anything remotely like they jocked anything. It's an homage in the sweetest sense. It's fucking beautiful. I fucking listened to the song so many times. There's I don't know if he's playing a Les Paul or a Hamer Rob Baker, but it's got some hollow tone electric guitar. There's a line in there Christ in the Kremlin. I'm fucking. The words in this song are fucking spectacular. I bet it just destroyed. Destroyed. The crowd live Like. I mean if they played this fucking live you'd have to close with this or I don't know what you'd play with this. I mean it's just fuck. What's the other line Next year? comrades in the National Fitness Program caught in some external flex arm hang dropping the mat. Dude the lot. This that the way he speeds up that verse and fits all those fucking words into that, and then he goes back to the normal cadence, like when I say cadence I mean like the tempo, not a modal cadence, but like tempo. He goes back to that. I just bet when they, when they all listened to this track after it was mixed, or they all recorded everything, they all just fucking high-fived and hugged each other and had a big old fucking circle 100% Yeah. Dude, it's a fucking. It's one of my favorite fucking hip songs period. 0:58:23 - Speaker 3 Oh, you know what they. You know what they said after they recorded this. They were like this is going to be an every jukebox across Canada. I mean, it's a jukebox song. I mean, really, this is like play something by the tragically hip. Okay, i'm at the jukebox. Stick in a quarter. Oh, here's fireworks. Everybody loves this song. You know, that's that's. I couldn't agree more, pete. I just felt like this could be put on a seven inch only and out in the world. You know it was one of the first songs in a while where, like, i immediately just started snapping my fingers. It was like, okay, this, this song's, this song's moving. I completely agree with the rush references I love. I so identified with this girl. There was actually a girl who said she didn't give a fuck about hockey. I never heard a girl swear and I've never heard someone say that before. It was like there was some whole other world out there which is hard to fathom at times. I don't follow hockey. I totally identify with this. When I go on Facebook and it's like near the weekend it's mostly fucking NFL comments from people I know in Southern California. It's like, god damn, i wish I had a sports filter on my life because I don't really follow any sports. So the hockey the hockey comment, i was like yes, i, i want to hang out with you, let's go drink beers. You know, i probably follow that. It's whatever I just I just identify with that part, it's. You know this, though, you're right, pete, isn't it amazing you could do anything when the notion isn't in your way, believing in the country of me, and you, ah, you know, it's just, it's, it's, this is, it's more. It's more than an anthem. 1:00:17 - Speaker 4 You know, the crazy is so it's so, Getty Lee, though man. 1:00:21 - Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. What's? 1:00:24 - Speaker 4 this, it's, it's spirit of the radio. Okay. That's the song thing you have in so many ways. Yeah, i mean, and I don't think any musician in the band would say like they can you know drum? like Neil Pert? I think the guitar is pretty. It's got some solid Alex life and vibes. like you could fucking compare that guitar wise. but like bass and drums, you can't fucking come close to those, like it's just. but sorry, tim, i didn't mean to interrupt you, but it's just a fucking. 1:00:55 - Speaker 3 That's good. Good, it's such a JD. What JD, what? what were your thoughts on the song? Do you have, do you have memories of hearing the song, or anything, or like? 1:01:03 - Speaker 1 I think it's, I think it's a romantic song, Like. I think it's like the firework of like meeting somebody that is just, you know, absolutely the sparkle of your eye, you know, sort of thing. The context, to give you some context, the goal that he's talking about, the goal that everyone remembers, is when Canada beat the Soviets in 1972. And that was, that was during the Cold War. So it was a big deal, that series, Canada playing hockey against Russia. you know a few games here in Canada and a few games in Moscow. It was a big deal, Like for these Canadian hockey players to go to Russia. Like at that time Russia was so mysterious And there was a very famous goal that won the series by Paul Henderson that everyone remembers. It's one of those moments in Canada, the, if you're of the right age or generation I'm not, I'm born in 74. So it's over my head, But if you were there then it's one of those like you know where you were moments. you know what I mean. 1:02:10 - Speaker 3 It's huge huge moment in sports history. 1:02:13 - Speaker 1 So for him to be just blown away. Like you know, loosening my grip on Bobby Orr, like I just picture, the 16 year old who's in love with Bobby Orr has the hockey cards on the wall, you know, he's just tremendous and all of a sudden he just oh, there's girls out there. Oh, and there's this particular girl who doesn't give a fuck about what, like whoa fireworks, you know. 1:02:40 - Speaker 3 Yeah, great song, Great song. This. yeah, I could have had this song, you know, and had a satisfied meal and went to bed. 1:02:49 - Speaker 1 You and your food All right. Go next to vapor trails. 1:02:58 - Speaker 3 So vapor trails, like I started this one and paused and had to come back to it, i didn't keep going like this, this, this, this was one of the breaks. And now for me, where I was like, okay, i'm not, either not in it enough or not focused enough, let's come back to it and didn't hold your attention. He would not not at the get go, but eventually it did. Oh, eventually it did bring me in. It totally was one of those songs that I wasn't so sure about, but over time was like humming it while walking around the house. You know, there's just to me it has some mysticism to it. There's this mysterious not to say it again but backup singer, whoever is in there. I mean there's some really good backup singing happening, but I just love some of the lyrics. There's nothing uglier than a man hitting a stride. 1:04:00 - Speaker 1 What a great lyric, right Dude And just the way he says it as well. There's nothing uglier than a man hitting a stride, yeah. 1:04:09 - Speaker 3 I can't wait to use that some point in life. You know, watching something happen, yeah, chords, use that line, throw away the rudder, float away, like they portrayals. You know, i get this. It's like, it's this feeling of like giving up. You know, at some point we all, everyone, i think everyone has contemplated, you know, life being different or serious change, or giving up, or you know, we've all had these heavy times in our lives and maybe the song kind of hits on that. There's amazing guitar riffing just towards four minute mark. It felt, you know, just to kind of wrap it up. For me it felt like a produced ending. You know, the fade out was like it wasn't just let's wrap the song up, let's just fade it out, it was like let's produce the fade out. So it was a little, i don't know a little more, a little more orchestrated. But yeah, it's, this song is. This song was a banger. I think it was really good for the spot in the album. I think it was like really fitting. 1:05:27 - Speaker 1 Yeah, because we're well into the second side now. Yeah yeah. Second track, second side, if you're playing by those roles, It has a good place, good place in the album. What do you think of APR Trail's Pete? 1:05:39 - Speaker 4 Well, this is the other thing that I thought was it's not. It's not a Rush reference, but I actually think there's a possibility that Rush's 2001 record Vapor 12, vapor Trails was perhaps, maybe, an homage to Tragically Hip. Wow, i don't know, that's my, that's my in my dream world. I don't know if that's really true, but and I saw them on that tour and they were fucking just amazing. Saw them at the Irvine Meadows man. 1:06:18 - Speaker 1 Such a great show. 1:06:19 - Speaker 4 Never saw. 1:06:20 - Speaker 1 Rush. I was supposed to see Rush on a tour in 93 and guess who was opening for them? Who, tragically Hip Jesus Christ. Wow, on Road Apples. Yeah, dude. 1:06:30 - Speaker 4 I don't know what's a bigger fail That or not partying with them. 1:06:34 - Speaker 1 Oh God, it's the, that's the, that's the fail. 1:06:36 - Speaker 3 They're close. Not partying, I think. 1:06:39 - Speaker 4 Well, we, let's put it this way, we, we, we showed to that concert, i think, and they were they, we were at that time. It's strange, real quick, because I know. but during that time, because 2001 was coming out of the Napster years and years, right And into, like I think it was right where the iPods came out, um, so people started buying music online again, sort of. So bands didn't have money to pay for opening bands during that time, so a lot of bands would tour and be like who's opening? And like there's nobody opening. So we assumed that somebody was opening, for Rush happened to me with pavement one time, but that's another story Um, and we walked, we're, we're racing through the parking lot Because we hear a spirit of the radio, but right into Red Bar Chat after that and just fucking made my, made my life. But to the song. Paper Trails. Um, the fucking vocal melody in the opening verse same. I got the same cadence, Tim. I don't know if you mentioned this as Thompson girl. Um, but the song I loved it. I imagine when they sung this song live, that when Gord sings the line you can throw away the rudder. He probably blows out either part of the low end or part of the mid end frequencies in the fucking speakers at this this, this house, his voice is just at that frequency where, if he really punches it like he could, he could break. He could break some fucking windows, because it's, it's just fucking just the way he delivers that shit. Throw away the rudder, um, uh, what else? Yeah, just that line to me was worth buying the fucking record. Pulled the car over. There's nothing uglier. Yeah. Then a man hitting his stride. Yeah, there's a transition from the bridge back to the chord progression. That's super abrupt And it's so cool because there's no transition. It's just like boom, boom, they go right back into the chord progression and it's fucking cool. I'm not, can't think of any band that I've heard do that. And then the last thing is the line, and it's it's. It's maybe Rob Baker, i don't know who's singing the backup, but Mexicans dressed in beige shirts Crazy line, yeah. 1:09:16 - Speaker 1 Yeah, I've never heard that Mexicans dressed in beige shirts. 1:09:19 - Speaker 4 It's. It's like almost whispered. 1:09:25 - Speaker 3 Wow references you know references, folks who spend their life picking the strawberries and raspberries. 1:09:31 - Speaker 1 We, i believe, Yeah, I would guess so. 1:09:37 - Speaker 3 I believe it does So yeah. 1:09:39 - Speaker 4 Are we going to? 1:09:40 - Speaker 1 rules. You got it, dude. 1:09:48 - Speaker 4 I love the song. It was so fucking cool and so chill. This starts out with those huge cymbal crashes in the beginning. This is the second song in the record that references a pedestrian crossing, talks about a crossing guard not doing their job. 1:10:04 - Speaker 1 So yeah, it's really reference of and the second reference of super farmer. Uh-huh Right. 1:10:11 - Speaker 3 In that same in that same Stan's line. Got some agricultural themes happening. Probably the third agricultural theme. 1:10:21 - Speaker 4 Yeah, I don't know I just the phrasing was beautiful. I'm wondering what a bard is. B-a-r-d. 1:10:28 - Speaker 3 There's a couple of references with that. One is it has to do with a Shakespeare reference. 1:10:35 - Speaker 1 That's what I thought, yeah. 1:10:36 - Speaker 3 Yeah, and then the other one is I'm not going to butcher it, the other one has to do with fighting. I have to look it up. 1:10:46 - Speaker 1 Let's just go with Shakespeare. 1:10:48 - Speaker 3 Yeah, it's some Shakespeare reference. 1:10:52 - Speaker 4 And then to the line about the vacuum's got a guarantee. I just that line hooked me in so much because it was so random that I was like really in just pay super close attention to what he said. And the next line that he delivers, which is it could suck a virus, an ancient virus from the sea, is like what the like again put on the hat, put on your jacket, close the briefcase. Fucking. Done your job today. 1:11:23 - Speaker 1 Leave the office, gordon, that's right Punch out or whatever. 1:11:27 - Speaker 4 The whole, that whole stand is fucking amazing. There's a table slide And then oh, by the way, this song, and fuck, there was one other song. God damn this song. and one other song at the record. on the record It's earlier. I want to say it may be something on or say the planet. at the very end of it You hear the word somebody in the studio is cool. Yeah, so it doesn't feel so and there was one other two, one other song on the record that they did, so I was like they did that twice. 1:12:05 - Speaker 1 That's cool. I'm going to need access to your premium sound system. 1:12:10 - Speaker 4 Well, I mean GD, that's. We know this is not stuff we just hand on. It's kind of like you know top secret Clarence, There's a lot involved, A lot of screaming All right, all right, all right. 1:12:22 - Speaker 3 He passed. He's done it. Yes, true, yes, we're adjourning my current, for he's had it. Yeah, i heard the song and I thought Pete loves this song so much And when we come talk about it on the pod it's going to be all Pete. 1:12:43 - Speaker 1 You know how much to say. 1:12:44 - Speaker 3 I thought it was kind of a yonder. I got you know some, some from it, But you know I was like this. The song isn't for me. I thought it was kind of a yonder. I was going to leave it to Pete. 1:12:58 - Speaker 1 We're going to come back in a year because it's going to be a grower for you. I guarantee this song will be a grower for you. 1:13:04 - Speaker 3 If it's not, you guys both have to buy me beers. I can live with that, Yeah, yeah. 1:13:11 - Speaker 1 Okay. Well then let's slide into Sugar and Falls Ohio. 1:13:15 - Speaker 4 Take it Timbo. 1:13:17 - Speaker 3 Yeah, so Sugar and Falls. So this song I thought was basically a huge fuck off to corporate man, to the man. I thought this is like. This song is driving some culture into the fan base. It's probably, you know, was played a lot on the radio. I thought this one you know I could be wrong, but this song to me felt like on the verge of angry a little bit more than usual. I'd maybe really wonder about it live, if this got more raucous, if it got a little bit more I don't know violent feeling. And I think it's because it thematically, which is where I'm going to go, not so much with music on this one, but thematically it Sugar and Falls, in my research. That's the headquarters of Clear Channel, which at the time Clear Channel Corporation was slowly taking over media, especially North America. Yeah, so that's a lot of the references to Grand Falls. You know where the unknown won't even go. Because at this point I mean that line to me says if you're an artist and you're trying to make it like, avoid your Grand Falls, avoid Clear Channel, you know, be careful with what radio you're sending your tapes to your CDs to like this. This is that song that is kind of the band's shout to the world of, you know, corporate media is taking over the airwaves, you know, be aware So that that to me the song has like a mission. It felt like the first time I listened to it. When I got to you know, three quarters, two thirds of the way through, i thought is this song like over five minutes? you know it felt long, but it didn't feel long in a bad way, like it felt like a good, just a really well written song. Like I was kind of digging through Grand Falls, it felt like a five minute song, but it's not a five minute song. I didn't look up live versions of it but I definitely want to find something. 1:15:47 - Speaker 1 Yeah, get the answers to your questions. I can't, unfortunately, answer because I saw them on that tour and I don't remember if they played it, but I can't. 1:15:57 - Speaker 3 It was somewhat rare. I feel like it was probably going to be a rare rarely. 1:16:01 - Speaker 1 Yeah, it would be one that would be, you know, gosh. Well, let me just quickly look up how many times they played it. 1:16:09 - Speaker 3 I mean for people that don't know, Clear Channel took over corporate. I mean took over FM radio. Over time, like so many stations became Clear Channel stations and became programmed. And I remember hearing the transition because, as a big radio listener, being bored in 71, you know, i listened to radio for like 20 years, 15 at least, 20 years and they just completely took over And I remember hearing DJs demeanor changing from independent radio station to now being put into this box And I feel like that's what the band is trying to talk about in this song And I think it's their fuck you to this corporate system of being in a band and trying to make it and just to inspire people to be independently minded. 1:17:08 - Speaker 4 Yeah, it's funny you mentioned Clear Channel only because I want to talk about the song, because I feel a little bit different about the song in some ways than you do, tim, and it's funny, like Tim, i didn't do fucking a pubic here. The research you did for this fucking song. I had to look up where Chagrin Falls was but, and I dug it. But yeah, that's when there used to be a great station in classic rock station in LA called Arrow 93. And they went over to that Jack. You know that Jack format Jack FM, which is just, it's just a guy who like record something and it's like a cheesy line and he

In this episode of Money Tales, our guest is Robert Marks. Robert always wanted to build his own house. He even remembers being in middle school and doodling houses while his teachers droned on and on. About ten years ago, Robert and his wife found a beautiful piece of land that would be perfect for their dream home. They spent two years planning the construction, working closely with an architect, and then another couple of years building it. When the house was finished, it was incredible. Everyone loved it. His wife, their family, their friends, and even their dog. Robert liked to tell people that he built the greatest house in the history of Cleveland, Ohio. There was only one problem. Within a week of moving in, Robert realized he didn't like living there. Eventually, his wife missed their old neighborhood and they decided to move back. In reflection, Robert realizes, building the home was his dream, not necessarily living there and changing their lifestyle. Robert founded Fidelity Voice and Data in 1999 and soon grew the start-up into one of the largest telecommunication and cloud services competitors throughout the Midwest. Starting the company with a $600 investment, Robert grew the company into a $30,000,000 business. The business was launched to solve the problem of High-Speed Internet access to businesses, government agencies, non-profits, education and healthcare facilities. In 2004 the company launched a groundbreaking VoIP venture and built data centers in Cleveland, Columbus, and Chicago. Following this success, he sold the company in 2015 and decided to focus his attention on continuing to give back to his local community through multiple philanthropic initiatives. Along with Layne Swenson, Robert launched the startup Projector, LLC in 2020. Robert currently lives in Chagrin Falls, Ohio with his wife and four children. Robert holds a B.A. in Economics from the University of South Florida.

Our conversation this week is with Lindsay Watson, CEO & Founder of Augment Therapy.Augment Therapy was founded in 2017 when Lindsay — who is a pediatric physical therapist from Chagrin Falls, Ohio — was searching for a way to solve the problems she was experiencing in her own physical therapy practice. Lindsay had spent years working with children and was frustrated with the inefficiency of treating kids once a week, with no way to help them exercise on a daily basis for faster progress. And with that, Lindsay set out to find a way to encourage and motivate them to exercise and Augment Therapy was born.Augment Therapy is an interactive software that uses the medium of augmented reality to engage kids to exercise. Using depth-sensing camera technology, Augment Therapy functions as a motivational tool, exercise prompt, and progress tracker for children needing therapeutic exercise – with no headsets or other wearables required. It can be used in the hospital and clinical setting or in the home environment – any place where added motivation is needed.Augment Therapy looks like a game to the child, but solves real problems of exercise adherence – its portability and anywhere/anytime access make the completion of daily therapeutic exercise simple, convenient, and fun!Originally published as episode 30 back in July of 2021, this conversation with Lindsay Watson was one of my favorite conversations to date! Lindsay's passion for her work is infectious and I learned a lot from her story — when I re-listened to it in advance of republishing it today, I was struck by how inspiring and forward-thinking Lindsay's work through Augment Therapy was, and still is today as she's continued to grow the business and raised an additional million dollars of funding — all with the goal of improving the therapy experience for children and bringing increased innovation to the pediatric market at large. Please enjoy!-----This episode is brought to you by Impact Architects and Ninety. As we share the stories of entrepreneurs building incredible organizations throughout NEO, Impact Architects helps those leaders — many of whom we've heard from as guests on Lay of The Land — realize their visions and build great organizations. I believe in Impact Architects and the people behind it so much, that I have actually joined them personally in their mission to help leaders gain focus, align together, and thrive by doing what they love! As a listener, you can sit down for a free consultation with Impact Architects or leverage a free trial through Ninety, the software platform that helps teams build great companies, by visiting ia.layoftheland.fm!-----Learn more about Augment Therapy — https://augmenttherapy.com/Follow Augment Therapy on Twitter — https://twitter.com/augment_therapyConnect with Lindsay Watson on LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/lindsay-watson-pt-mpt-68103a134/ Follow Lindsay Watson on Twitter —  https://www.twitter.com/@lindsaywatson26-----For more episodes of Lay of The Land, visit https://www.layoftheland.fm/Past guests include Cleveland Mayor Justin Bibb, Steve Potash (OverDrive), Ed Largest (Westfield), Ray Leach (JumpStart), Lila Mills (Signal Cleveland), Pat Conway (Great Lakes Brewing), and many more.Stay up to date on all our podcasts by signing up for Lay of The Land's weekly newsletter — sign up here.Connect with Jeffrey Stern on LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffreypstern/Follow Jeffrey Stern on Twitter @sternJefe — https://twitter.com/sternjefeFollow Lay of The Land on Twitter @podlayofthelandhttps://www.jeffreys.page/

Fighting with your spouse, and belt bags start off our podcast. It may be worth a youtube view to see that Kristin forgot she has been wearing her favorite belt bag from @remnants in Chagrin Falls.  Danna saves the day with what her sister in law thought was a distressed chicken. In all Danna's poultry experience, she tells us what the chicken was really doing.  Kristin has been spending a lot of time digging in the dirt preparing for Sam's graduation party and 18th Birthday.  Get Social with Danna and Kristin  @localfarmmom | @dannageraci183 | @themismatchedpodcast | Instagram https://youtube.com/@themismatchedpodcast4078 (https://youtube.com/@themismatchedpodcast4078)

Dr. Stephen Grcevich (MD, Northeast Ohio Medical University) serves as the founder and President of Key Ministry. He is a child and adolescent psychiatrist who combines over 25 years of knowledge gained through clinical practice and teaching with extensive research experience evaluating medications prescribed to children and teens for ADHD, anxiety, and depression. Dr. Grcevich has been a presenter at over 35 national and international medical conferences and is a past recipient of the Exemplary Psychiatrist Award from the National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI).  In his role as President of Key Ministry, Steve serves the primary vision caster and spokesperson for Key and plays an important role in Key's efforts to develop collaborations with church leaders, professionals and organizations both within and outside the disability ministry movement. He is responsible for strategy and oversees the implementation of Key's ministry plan. He blogs at Church4EveryChild.org, is a regular contributor for Moody Radio Cleveland and frequently speaks at national and international ministry conferences on mental health and spiritual development. His first book, Mental Health and the Church, was published by Zondervan in February 2018.  Steve and his wife Denise live in Chagrin Falls, Ohio. They have two daughters - Leah and her husband (Max) are students at the Alabama College of Osteopathic Medicine, and Mira is attending Belmont University and is majoring in psychology. Steve's work serves as a distraction from the abysmal performance of Cleveland's professional sports teams.

Dr. Stephen Grcevich (MD, Northeast Ohio Medical University) serves as the founder and President of Key Ministry. He is a child and adolescent psychiatrist who combines over 25 years of knowledge gained through clinical practice and teaching with extensive research experience evaluating medications prescribed to children and teens for ADHD, anxiety, and depression. Dr. Grcevich has been a presenter at over 35 national and international medical conferences and is a past recipient of the Exemplary Psychiatrist Award from the National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI).  In his role as President of Key Ministry, Steve serves the primary vision caster and spokesperson for Key and plays an important role in Key's efforts to develop collaborations with church leaders, professionals and organizations both within and outside the disability ministry movement. He is responsible for strategy and oversees the implementation of Key's ministry plan. He blogs at Church4EveryChild.org, is a regular contributor for Moody Radio Cleveland and frequently speaks at national and international ministry conferences on mental health and spiritual development. His first book, Mental Health and the Church, was published by Zondervan in February 2018.  Steve and his wife Denise live in Chagrin Falls, Ohio. They have two daughters - Leah and her husband (Max) are students at the Alabama College of Osteopathic Medicine, and Mira is attending Belmont University and is majoring in psychology. Steve's work serves as a distraction from the abysmal performance of Cleveland's professional sports teams.

I scheduled this episode to follow the Honey Badger episode because I liked the alignment of their names, but I could just as easily have linked it to the Wine Funding episode, because we're once again turning engaged fans into even more engaged financiers! Only this time, we're taking all comers.So when George says Honeycomb is "helping business owners really activate this community of customers and fans and neighbours that they already have, and to level up those customers and turn them into evangelists for their business by getting them on board and then literally invested in the long term success of those businesses" we hear echoes of Maxime, who described his lenders as "the most sincere and genuine ambassadors you can dream of as a wine estate, because they're part of the adventure, and they share that with their friends." You can find Honeycomb Credit and all their projects over at https://www.honeycombcredit.com/ Twisted's artisanal egg roll project is already funded in Chicago, but maybe check out InBox Beverage in Chestertown (MD) with their turnkey micro-brewing system; or Bless Thy Skin in Riverview (FL), a black-owned, woman-owned, family-owned business that specializes in skincare products and treatments; or even the Rockfish Oyster Bar, a new seafood restaurant coming to Cleveland's Chagrin Falls neighborhood... there really are so many great options.They're on LinkedIn, too, where they publish wonderful little glimpses into those projects and the impact that capitalised small businesses are making to their communities.You can learn more about me on my LinkedIn page, my action-adventure novels are on Amazon, some versions even for free, and my work with ConfirmU and our gamified psychometric scores is at https://confirmu.com/ and on episode 24 of this very show https://www.howtolendmoneytostrangers.show/episodes/episode-24Oh, and I'll announce it properly, but I'll be recording an episode of this show at Money2020 Europe in June so if you're going to be there, too, let's meet up. And if you're not, but you would still like to participate in the show, reach out to me at https://www.howtolendmoneytostrangers.show/contact-usRegards, Brendan Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week we are joined by Jack Schron, President of Jergens, Inc., a global manufacturing leader in workholding, lifting and specialty fasteners products.  In this episode Jack tells us about his extensive career with Jergens, what it's like to work for a family-owned business and how his military experience influenced his leadership style. He also tells us the story of his innovative ideas around the inception of Tooling U-SME.  Jack and Paul discuss trends in the manufacturing industry, Jack's role as a Councilman for Cuyahoga County and how county government lends a hand in creating a successful workforce ecosystem. As a Chagrin Falls native, Jack's top culinary picks are Batuqui, 17 River Grille, M Italian, and JoJo's Bar. Connect with Jack Schron on LinkedIn.

Fr. Damian and Mike are joined by Millie Prebel, Pastoral Minister at St. Joan of Arc Parish in Chagrin Falls, OH.(1:00): Should I go vegan for Lent?  How about for another reason?(2:40)  When did you stop eating meat?(3:40)  How do we get protein and nutrients from whole foods without meat?(4:15):   What's the difference between Vegan and Vegetarians? (4:35)  Check out Millie on You Tube. (5:50)  What did Millie's husband do when she became a vegan?(7:00) Was Jesus a compassionate eater?(8:20) Is there a different between bigger and smaller farms?(9:20)  How's Millie's heath?(10:30) It's a good reset for your body.(11:35):  Many die pre-maturely because of their diet.(11:50)Many who died in the pandemic had pre-existing conditions. (12:30)  Millie's Mindful Kitchen on IG. (12:45):  The workers in the Vineyard homily from FD.(13:20):   But isn't this only for the rich?  Could people do this in a food desert area?(16:05)   The Prayer for Compassion movie.(17:05)   JPII, Benedict and Francis on the Environment.(18:00)  Small changes are better than nothing?(18:30)   Can you eat meatless burgers on Friday?(19:00)   They are processed!  So whole foods are better.(19:20)   Lots of cultures have great whole food recipes.(20:00)  Isn't that Traif?(20:15)   Meat was often used just to season.(21:35)  Church search goes to St Joan of Arc in Chagrin Falls.(22:50)   The disturbing history of St Joan of Arc.(23:45)    The Gospel for this week:  Love your enemies.  Read all the readings here.(24:20)   FD ate way too much chicken dip.(25:15)   The book Thrive.(26:00)   Millie brought us lunch!    

WWAR FebruaryShow NotesPart 1In honor of Black History Month, we are featuring four books by Black authors.Tracey reported on Blacktop Wasteland by SA Crosby (Flatiron Books) A husband, a father, ason, a business owner...And the best getaway driver east of the Mississippi.Beauregard “Bug” Montage is an honest mechanic, a loving husband, and a hard-working dad.Bug knows there's no future in the man he used to be: known from the hills of North Carolina tothe beaches of Florida as the best wheelman on the East Coast.He thought he'd left all that behind him, but as his carefully built new life begins to crumble, hefinds himself drawn inexorably back into a world of blood and bullets. When a smooth-talkingformer associate comes calling with a can't-miss jewelry store heist, Bug feels he has no choicebut to get back in the driver's seat. And Bug is at his best where the scent of gasoline mixes withthe smell of fear.Haunted by the ghost of who he used to be and the father who disappeared when he neededhim most, Bug must find a way to navigate this blacktop wasteland...or die trying.S. A. Cosby (Shawn Cosby) is a "Southern noir" crime fiction writer. He resides in Gloucester,Virginia, on the Chesapeake Bay. Cosby has published three crime novels: A fourth novel, Allthe Sinners Bleed, is expected to release in June 2023, in hardback form, and published, like itstwo successors, by Flatiron Books, an imprint of MacmillanHe is on Twitter as @blacklionking73Kathy reported on A Killer Sundae by Abby Collette (Berkeley Books 1/22) This is #3 in the IceCream Parlor Mysteries. Ice cream shop owner Bronwyn Crewse is in for two scoops of murderin this charming mystery from Abby Collette.Chagrin Falls, Ohio, is gorgeous in the fall, and Bronwyn Crewse, owner of Crewse Creamery,knows just how to welcome the new season. At the annual Harvest Time Festival, residents willget a chance to enjoy hot-air balloons and hayrides, crown a new Harvest Time Festival Queen,and eat delicious frozen treats sold at Win's freshly purchased ice cream truck. But she gets intoa sprinkle of trouble when a festivalgoer is poisoned and Win is implicated.Although the victim was a former Harvest Time Festival Queen, her once-sunny disposition haddimmed into bitterness, leaving no shortage of suspects at the festival. To clear her name beforethe chill of winter sets in, Win will have to investigate and hope that her detective skills won't“dessert” her.bestselling author Abby Collette loves a good mystery. She was born and raised in Cleveland,and it's a mystery even to her why she hasn't yet moved to a warmer place. As Abby Collette,she is the author of the Ice Cream Parlor mystery series, about a millennial MBA-holdinggranddaughter running a family-owned ice cream shop in Chagrin Falls, Ohio, and theupcoming Books & Biscuits mystery series, starring a set of fraternal twins who reunite andopen a bookstore and soul food café. Writing as Abby L. Vandiver, she is the author of theLogan Dickerson Mysteries, featuring a second-generation archaeologist and a nonagenarian,as well as the Romaine Wilder Mysteries, pairing an East Texas medical examiner and herfeisty, funeral-home-owning auntie as sleuths. Abby spends her time writing, facilitating writingworkshops at local libraries and hanging out with her grandchildren, each of whom are herfavorite. Her website is https://abbycollette.comTune in tomorrow for part 2 where we discuss “One Part Sugar, One Part Mueder” by ValerieBurns and “A Killing Rain” by Faye Snowden.Part 2Misty reported on Two Parts Sugar, One Part Murder by Valerie Burns (Kensington 6/22) In abrand-new culinary cozy series with a fresh edge and a delightful small-town setting, theacclaimed author introduces Maddy Montgomery, a social media expert who's #StartingOver insmall town Michigan after inheriting her great-aunt's bakery...and a 200-pound English Mastiffnamed Baby.When Maddy Montgomery's groom is a no-show to their livestream wedding, it's a disaster thatno amount of filtering can fix. But a surprise inheritance offers a chance to regroup and rebrand—as long as Maddy is willing to live in her late, great-aunt Octavia's house in New Bison,Michigan, for a year, running her bakery and caring for a 250-pound English mastiff namedBaby.Maddy doesn't bake, and her Louboutins aren't made for walking giant dogs around LakeMichigan, but the locals are friendly and the scenery is beautiful. With help from her aunt's loyalfriends, aka the Baker Street Irregulars, Maddy feels ready to tackle any challenge, includingOctavia's award-winning cake recipes. That is, until New Bison's mayor is fatally stabbed, andMaddy's fingerprints are found on the knife . . .Something strange is going on in New Bison. It seems Aunt Octavia had her suspicions, too.But Maddy's going to need a whole lot more than a trending hashtag to save her reputation—and her life.Valerie (V. M.) Burns was born and raised in the Midwestern United States. She currentlyresides in the warmer region of the country with her two poodles, Kenzie and Chloe. Valerie is amember of Mystery Writers of America, Dog Writers of America, Crime Writers of Color,International Thriller Writers, and Sisters in Crime. Valerie is also a mentor in the WritingPopular Fiction MFA program at Seton Hill University. As V.M. Burns, she writes the NextGeneration Indie Finalist, RJ Franklin Mysteries, Dog Club Mysteries, and Agatha award-nominated, Mystery Bookshop Mysteries. She is also an Edgar award-nominated short storyauthor.Finally, Ann reported on A Killing Rain by Faye Snowdon (Flame Tree Press 2/22) Dark,Southern gothic tale of homicide detective Raven Burns, with a complicated past and adesperate case to solve. Black Girls Lit recommends the first book, A Killing Fire "to crime fictionand mystery lovers and fans of Ruth Ware and Gillian Flynn.”After former homicide Raven Burns returns to Byrd's Landing, Louisiana to begin a new life, shesoon finds herself trapped by the old one when her nephew is kidnapped by a ruthless serialkiller, and her foster brother becomes the main suspect. To make matters worse, she is beingpursued by two men— one who wants to redeem her soul for the murder Raven felt she had nochoice but to commit, and another who wants to lock her away forever.Faye Snowden is the author of three published mysteries with Kensington— Spiral of Guilt(1999), The Savior (2003, 2004) and Fatal Justice (2005, 2006). She has published short storiesand poems in various literary journals and small presses including The African AmericanReview, Calliope, Red Ochre Lit, Bay Area Poets Coalition and Occam's Razor.Although born in San Fernando, California, she was uprooted while young to a place wheresupposedly people had swamps in their backyards and alligators for pets. She didn't have anypet alligators in Shreveport, Louisiana, but an amazing, resourceful single mother raised thefamily of six in a shotgun house. And she had a cat named Blue.

WWAR FebruaryShow NotesPart 1In honor of Black History Month, we are featuring four books by Black authors.Tracey reported on Blacktop Wasteland by SA Crosby (Flatiron Books) A husband, a father, ason, a business owner...And the best getaway driver east of the Mississippi.Beauregard “Bug” Montage is an honest mechanic, a loving husband, and a hard-working dad.Bug knows there's no future in the man he used to be: known from the hills of North Carolina tothe beaches of Florida as the best wheelman on the East Coast.He thought he'd left all that behind him, but as his carefully built new life begins to crumble, hefinds himself drawn inexorably back into a world of blood and bullets. When a smooth-talkingformer associate comes calling with a can't-miss jewelry store heist, Bug feels he has no choicebut to get back in the driver's seat. And Bug is at his best where the scent of gasoline mixes withthe smell of fear.Haunted by the ghost of who he used to be and the father who disappeared when he neededhim most, Bug must find a way to navigate this blacktop wasteland...or die trying.S. A. Cosby (Shawn Cosby) is a "Southern noir" crime fiction writer. He resides in Gloucester,Virginia, on the Chesapeake Bay. Cosby has published three crime novels: A fourth novel, Allthe Sinners Bleed, is expected to release in June 2023, in hardback form, and published, like itstwo successors, by Flatiron Books, an imprint of MacmillanHe is on Twitter as @blacklionking73Kathy reported on A Killer Sundae by Abby Collette (Berkeley Books 1/22) This is #3 in the IceCream Parlor Mysteries. Ice cream shop owner Bronwyn Crewse is in for two scoops of murderin this charming mystery from Abby Collette.Chagrin Falls, Ohio, is gorgeous in the fall, and Bronwyn Crewse, owner of Crewse Creamery,knows just how to welcome the new season. At the annual Harvest Time Festival, residents willget a chance to enjoy hot-air balloons and hayrides, crown a new Harvest Time Festival Queen,and eat delicious frozen treats sold at Win's freshly purchased ice cream truck. But she gets intoa sprinkle of trouble when a festivalgoer is poisoned and Win is implicated.Although the victim was a former Harvest Time Festival Queen, her once-sunny disposition haddimmed into bitterness, leaving no shortage of suspects at the festival. To clear her name beforethe chill of winter sets in, Win will have to investigate and hope that her detective skills won't“dessert” her.bestselling author Abby Collette loves a good mystery. She was born and raised in Cleveland,and it's a mystery even to her why she hasn't yet moved to a warmer place. As Abby Collette,she is the author of the Ice Cream Parlor mystery series, about a millennial MBA-holdinggranddaughter running a family-owned ice cream shop in Chagrin Falls, Ohio, and theupcoming Books & Biscuits mystery series, starring a set of fraternal twins who reunite andopen a bookstore and soul food café. Writing as Abby L. Vandiver, she is the author of theLogan Dickerson Mysteries, featuring a second-generation archaeologist and a nonagenarian,as well as the Romaine Wilder Mysteries, pairing an East Texas medical examiner and herfeisty, funeral-home-owning auntie as sleuths. Abby spends her time writing, facilitating writingworkshops at local libraries and hanging out with her grandchildren, each of whom are herfavorite. Her website is https://abbycollette.comTune in tomorrow for part 2 where we discuss “One Part Sugar, One Part Mueder” by ValerieBurns and “A Killing Rain” by Faye Snowden.Part 2Misty reported on Two Parts Sugar, One Part Murder by Valerie Burns (Kensington 6/22) In abrand-new culinary cozy series with a fresh edge and a delightful small-town setting, theacclaimed author introduces Maddy Montgomery, a social media expert who's #StartingOver insmall town Michigan after inheriting her great-aunt's bakery...and a 200-pound English Mastiffnamed Baby.When Maddy Montgomery's groom is a no-show to their livestream wedding, it's a disaster thatno amount of filtering can fix. But a surprise inheritance offers a chance to regroup and rebrand—as long as Maddy is willing to live in her late, great-aunt Octavia's house in New Bison,Michigan, for a year, running her bakery and caring for a 250-pound English mastiff namedBaby.Maddy doesn't bake, and her Louboutins aren't made for walking giant dogs around LakeMichigan, but the locals are friendly and the scenery is beautiful. With help from her aunt's loyalfriends, aka the Baker Street Irregulars, Maddy feels ready to tackle any challenge, includingOctavia's award-winning cake recipes. That is, until New Bison's mayor is fatally stabbed, andMaddy's fingerprints are found on the knife . . .Something strange is going on in New Bison. It seems Aunt Octavia had her suspicions, too.But Maddy's going to need a whole lot more than a trending hashtag to save her reputation—and her life.Valerie (V. M.) Burns was born and raised in the Midwestern United States. She currentlyresides in the warmer region of the country with her two poodles, Kenzie and Chloe. Valerie is amember of Mystery Writers of America, Dog Writers of America, Crime Writers of Color,International Thriller Writers, and Sisters in Crime. Valerie is also a mentor in the WritingPopular Fiction MFA program at Seton Hill University. As V.M. Burns, she writes the NextGeneration Indie Finalist, RJ Franklin Mysteries, Dog Club Mysteries, and Agatha award-nominated, Mystery Bookshop Mysteries. She is also an Edgar award-nominated short storyauthor.Finally, Ann reported on A Killing Rain by Faye Snowdon (Flame Tree Press 2/22) Dark,Southern gothic tale of homicide detective Raven Burns, with a complicated past and adesperate case to solve. Black Girls Lit recommends the first book, A Killing Fire "to crime fictionand mystery lovers and fans of Ruth Ware and Gillian Flynn.”After former homicide Raven Burns returns to Byrd's Landing, Louisiana to begin a new life, shesoon finds herself trapped by the old one when her nephew is kidnapped by a ruthless serialkiller, and her foster brother becomes the main suspect. To make matters worse, she is beingpursued by two men— one who wants to redeem her soul for the murder Raven felt she had nochoice but to commit, and another who wants to lock her away forever.Faye Snowden is the author of three published mysteries with Kensington— Spiral of Guilt(1999), The Savior (2003, 2004) and Fatal Justice (2005, 2006). She has published short storiesand poems in various literary journals and small presses including The African AmericanReview, Calliope, Red Ochre Lit, Bay Area Poets Coalition and Occam's Razor.Although born in San Fernando, California, she was uprooted while young to a place wheresupposedly people had swamps in their backyards and alligators for pets. She didn't have anypet alligators in Shreveport, Louisiana, but an amazing, resourceful single mother raised thefamily of six in a shotgun house. And she had a cat named Blue. Her website ishttps://fayesnowden.com

Columbiana County native, Kathy Schulz, join us to discuss her recently published book, The Underground Railroad in Ohio.Kathy tells us what the Underground Railroad was (and what it wasn't!!). We learn why Ohio was truly at the heart of the Underground Railroad and the important role that Columbiana County had in the Underground Railroad.We are also introduced to a number of very interesting characters whom exemplify the people of the Underground Railroad.Click here for a link to the book's website.If you enjoy this podcast, you can catch one of Kathy's presentations as part of her book tour:Ohio Book Tour Mad River Theater Works, Yellow Springs, Friday Jan 13, 7pm  (panel discussion and play)Clark County Public Library, Springfield, Saturday Jan 14, 2pmUnion Township Public Library, Ripley, Sunday Jan 15, 2pm Mechanicsburg Public Library, Saturday Jan 21, 1 pmDelaware County Historical Association, Sunday Jan 22, 2 pm Dresden Branch, Muskingum County Library/Prospect Place Historic Home, Thursday Jan 26, 5pmMindfair Books, Oberlin, Saturday Jan 28, 2pmLoganberry Books, Cleveland, Sunday Jan 29, 1pmCrestview High School, Tuesday January 31, 9amUnderground Railroad Museum, Flushing, Sunday Feb 5, 2pmMassillon Public Library/Spring Hill Historic Home UGRR Site, Monday Feb 6, 6pmHaines House UGRR Museum & Rodman Public Library, Alliance, Tuesday Feb 7, 6:30pmColumbiana Public Library, Wednesday Feb 8, 2pmCozad-Bates House, Cleveland, Saturday Feb 11, noon (docent talks)Fireside Books, Chagrin Falls, Sunday Feb 12, 1pm (signing only)Public Library of Youngstown and Mahoning County, Monday Feb 13, 2pmSalem Historical Society, Tuesday Feb 14, 7pmMulberry Street Books, Lebanon, Thursday Feb 16, 2pm (signing only)Joseph-Beth Booksellers, Cincinnati, Thursday Feb 16, 7pm

This week Johnboy takes on the endlessly partying National Lampoon's Doug Kenney in his childhood through his college years and time at Harvard, but before that a mini-profile of the bizarre life of his friend Peter Ivers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lay of The Land's conversation today is with Steve Santamaria, CEO of Folio Photonics, where he is focused on innovating storage media with the first-ever enterprise-scale, immutable active archive solution that delivers breakthrough cost, security, and sustainability!Steve — who resides here in Chagrin Falls — is a seasoned technology executive, entrepreneur, and student of disruptive technologies. Steve spent 14 years at Intel where he led an array of strategic projects including: Intel's Microsoft partnership, colloquially referred to as Wintel, investment in China Software Park Program (with launches in Hangzhou, Nanjing, Shenzhen and Chengdu), global expansion of the Intel Developer Program, formation of the Visual Computing Group to move Intel into more graphics-oriented businesses such as VR and 3D animation and the launching of various Intel Service businesses including Intel Online Services, AppUp and Tizen.Prior to Intel, Steve had a successful sales and business development career with companies including: Control Data, Ceridian, Parametric Technology and Giga Information Group. Most recently, Steve started two companies: WebTuner Corp., an OTT video streaming company, and Envelop VR, which created the first Windows desktop environment for virtual reality.Really enjoyed getting Steve's perspective on the history and future of storage, the prospects for Folio Photonics's opportunity looking forward, Cleveland's whole ecosystem, and his reflections on leadership! Hope you enjoy my conversation with Steve Santamaria--Learn more about Folio PhotonicsConnect with Steve Santamaria on LinkedInFollow Steve Santamaria on Twitter @SSantamaria7 --Connect with Jeffrey Stern on LinkedInFollow Jeffrey Stern on Twitter @sternJefeFollow Lay of The Land on Twitter @podlayofthelandhttps://www.jeffreys.page/

Scott J. Allen, Ph.D., is the Robert M. Ginn Institute Professor for Leadership & Social Responsibility at John Carroll University. Allen is an associate professor and teaches courses in leadership, the future of work, and executive communication. He's an award-winning professor passionate about working with people of all ages. Scott has published more than 50 book chapters and peer-reviewed journal articles. He is the co-author of The Little Book of Leadership Development: 50 Ways to Bring Out the Leader in Every Employee, Emotionally Intelligent Leadership: A Guide for College Students, and the textbook Discovering Leadership: Designing Your Success (2019). Scott's most recent publication is Captovation: Online Presentations by Design. In addition to writing and teaching, Scott consults, facilitates workshops, and leads retreats across industries. Recent engagements include Key Bank, EY, Siegfried Group, Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland, Sherwin Williams, Progressive, NASA-Glenn, FedEx Custom Critical, Toyota, Crestron, Endeavor Energy Resources, Thompson Hine LLP, Southern Methodist University, Cleveland Clinic, and Leadership Cleveland. Scott co-founded Captovation, a services firm dedicated to “Presentation Coaching for the Digital Age.” He is also the co-founder and Board Chair of the Collegiate Leadership Competition. He has served on the board of the International Leadership Association, Association of Leadership Educators, and Management and Organizational Behavior Teaching Society. Allen was named an ILA Fellow by the International Leadership Association in 2021.He resides in Chagrin Falls, Ohio, with his wife, Jessica, and three children - Will, Kate & Emily.Articles Google Scholar About The International Leadership Association (ILA)The ILA was created in 1999 to bring together professionals interested in the study, practice, and teaching of leadership. My Approach to HostingThe views of my guests do not constitute "truth." Nor do they reflect my personal views in some instances. However, they are important views to be aware of. Nothing can replace your own research and exploration.About Dr. Tony Middlebrooks (Guest Host)LinkedIn

Established in 1997, Cosmic Dave's has become a legend here in Northeast Ohio. A legend that is spreading at “Cosmic” speed across the state and beyond. What started out as a humble sub shop in Chagrin Falls is now revolutionizing the sub world.  Cosmic Dave's is not your typical “Establishment” sub shop. In this episode we recap the incredible life story of "Cosmic" Dave Lombardy, the merger of Rock N Roll with the sub-sandwich is ethereal and brilliant.  Thanks for listening to this episode of the podcast! You can now support the “Blood Time” and “Undeniable” podcasts directly! shorturl.at/dghoK Podcast Feedback? Business Inquiry? Contact Peter “Coach” Cimoroni at (216)-287-1522! Thanks to this episode's sponsors! Bornstein Law: https://bornstein.law Edwins: https://edwinsrestaurant.org Infinite Search Solutions: www.in-finite.com Next Level Continuing Education: shorturl.at/BDLPW Next Level Infinite Banking: (614)-648-2440 The Plug: www.theplugt-shirtstore.com Thinking about starting your own podcast? www.maverickpodcasting.com

This week I travel to Chagrin Falls, Ohio and visit with my old friends at Crooked Pecker Brewing Company. I sat down with Erik and Bobby from Crooked Pecker, and it was tons of fun. We discussed their beer, and how they survived through the Pandemic. We learned about Erik's love of water parks and how that could play into a Crooked Pecker expansion. Basically, this episode was all over the place, but it was a load of fun and I highly suggest you listen. Support the show by doing your Amazon shopping through our affiliate link. Just click the link here or on my website and do your shopping as you would normally. With every purchase you make using the link the podcast gets a little commission kick back. https://www.amazon.com?&linkCode=ll2&tag=thebrewerof0f-20&linkId=508b80c5f61935cee690c0e883386653&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl Please consider becoming a member of the Pint Club by visiting my Patreon page at https://www.patreon.com/PintTalkingPintClub There are four tier levels and when you join the Pint Club you will get an opportunity to win a six pack of Ohio beer that is shipped by Rivalry Brews https://rivalrybrews.com/. You will also get a few coupon codes, and you'll get early access to the show. Don't forget to visit my website at https://www.thebrewerofseville.com/ to catch up on old episodes and visit the newly renovated BOS swag store. I have added several new colors and styles of Tees and Hoodies. Make sure to follow Crooked Pecker Brewing on FB and IG @crookedpecker. You can also head over to their website at https://www.crookedpeckerbrewing.com/ and see what's going on. Make sure you check out our friends at  Wrecking Crew Brew Works on the web at https://www.wreckingcrewbrewworks.com/ and follow them on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/Wreckingcrewbrewworks and Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/wreckingcrewbrewworks Check out our other sponsors: Join the American Homebrewers Association and get access to hundreds of award-winning recipes as well as countless informative articles. Follow this link and use the code PintTalking for $5 off your membership. https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/support-the-aha/?promo=the-Brewer-of-Seville. Blue Cooler - Shop for a high quality cooler at half the price. Go to: https://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&merchant_id=fdaa7e76-35bf-4f93-a2f2-0ba0fd3f2dcd&website_id=1b4fdbbe-e41e-40ba-a3b4-8cd9bcb808a9&url=https%3A%2F%2Fbluecoolers.com%2F Shirts on Tap at https://shirtsontap.com/ and use the code rq7szr  For $10 off your first order.

Join us as Molly B., from Chagrin Falls, OH, shares her experience, strength, and hope around today's Daily Reflection, By Faith and By Works."BY FAITH AND BY WORKS"On anvils of experience, the structure of our Society was hammered out. . . . Thus has it been with A.A. By faith and by works we have been able to build upon the lessons of an incredible experience. They live today in the Twelve Traditions of Alcoholics Anonymous, which — God willing — shall sustain us in unity for so long as He may need us.— TWELVE STEPS AND TWELVE TRADITIONS, p. 131God has allowed me the right to be wrong in order for our Fellowship to exist as it does today. If I place God's will first in my life, it is very likely that A.A. as I know it today will remain as it is.From the book Daily ReflectionsCopyright © 1990 by Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc.Support the showNeed the Daily Reflection Book? Visit our web site Read about Recovery on our Blog Visit our Facebook Group Follow us on Twitter Support the Podcast...

Show notes:A fantastic 1976 article about Jack Hanrahan : the Laugh-In writer who started the "Cleveland being a joke" phenomenon!Jimmy Kimmel and Tom Holland clip on Cleveland, The Browns and the Russo Brothers. McHale's Navy: Tim Conway was from Chagrin Falls, OhioFollow Heart of it All on Twitter: @heartofitallpodThis episode was edited and engineered by Adam Rich, Audio Supervisor at WOUB Public Media Support provided by WOUB Public Media.

Chagrin Falls company awarded phase two of 4th Street storm sewer project in Mansfield: https://www.richlandsource.com/business/community_development/chagrin-falls-company-awarded-phase-two-of-4th-street-storm-sewer-project-in-mansfield/article_197081a8-3f69-11ed-b1f9-f37c837bcccb.html Chaser: Locally filmed TV series premieres Nov. 5 at Mansfield Playhouse: https://www.richlandsource.com/life_and_culture/chaser-locally-filmed-tv-series-premieres-nov-5-at-mansfield-playhouse/article_718771e4-3faf-11ed-a1e0-b7c80c22b8c1.html?block_id=1098581 Today - A Chagrin Falls company will handle the second phase of a storm sewer project that began more than a year ago with the collapse and ultimate emergency bypass of a forgotten 19th-century system near Bowman and Third streets.Support the show: https://www.sourcemembers.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Running the Bases today with Molly Gebler, Managing Partner of The Inn of Chagrin. The Inn of Chagrin is a 15-room historic inn located in downtown Chagrin Falls.  Recently, the Inn celebrated the renovated rooms designed by ‘Project Runway' star Chrisitan Siriano.Molly is a LOVER of all things LOCAL - if there was a NATIONAL SMALL BUSINESS Award for promoting one's LOCAL COMMUNITY - our guest would be at the top of the Podium. As the - former Executive Director for the Chagrin Valley Chamber of Commerce - our guest promoted, celebrated, marketed, and worked 80 hours a week championing over 600 local businesses.In addition to her day job she is an entrepreneur herself, co-owner of a cooking school business offering cooking classes for children,  She is an  Author of 5 Children's Books celebrating local traditions. She is also An Award Winning Local Documentary Film Maker.  For 5 Years, She co-hosted a local Pod-Cast, She is known for her fun take on almost everything with her youtube channel videos she makes with friends and family.  She is currently a Managing Partner for the Inn of Chagrin and when she isn't giving 80 hours a week to the community she is doing her most FAVORITE JOB  hanging with her 2 adorable Grandkids - Twins Mary and John.To learn more about Molly and the Inn of Chagrin visit: https://www.innofchagrin.com/Grove Hill: A True Story (Molly's Documentary Film)Get Molly's Children's Books - HereGet Local SEO and Digital Marketing information from 38 Digital MarketListen and subscribe to our show on iTunes, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google Podcast, iHeart Radio, Pandora or TuneIn.Follow 38 Digital Market on our Social Accounts:FacebookLinkedInTwitterYoutubeInstagramFollow our guest today at:FacebookTwitterYoutubeInstagram

Today's speaker is Alistair Begg, Senior Pastor at Parkside Church in Chagrin Falls, OH. Pastor Begg concludes his 2-day series from Judges 6 & 7, reminding us of our inadequacy, and our reliance upon God.

Today's speaker is Alistair Begg, Senior Pastor at Parkside Church in Chagrin Falls, OH. Pastor Begg begins a 2-day series from Judges 6 & 7, in which Israel recognizes their desperate need for deliverance, and God provides Gideon to lead them.

As Frank Marzullo celebrates his 15th year as a meteorologist at Fox 19 this month, he shared with The Enquirer where he found his love of weather reporting, how weather technology has changed the profession and just how accurate he thinks the Farmer's Almanac prediction of a cold and snowy winter for Cincinnati this year will be. Marzullo, who grew up in Chagrin Falls, Ohio, said his interest in weather was sparked by a childhood trip to the grocery store with his grandparents. The sky was dark, but there was a rainbow, a funnel cloud and hail. He was curious and then made predicting what would happen his career.

It happened to Morgan in the Starbucks line!  How did she deal with it?!?  Morgan and Bill also discuss the weird dreams they've been having lately, and Morgan's Dad ended up having some trouble while fishing on the lake yesterday.  We also had a "Confront Your Crush"!  Lani from University Heights has a crush on a guy at her gym, and got his number from their mutual trainer!  Did it turn out well?!?  Plus, Battle of the Burbs and a C-Town Hustler from Chagrin Falls!

In this episode, we wrap up our Plastic-Free July series by speaking with local entrepreneur, Rachel Regula, the founder and CEO of Little Spark Refill Shop. Little Spark is Cleveland's first retail store devoted to sustainable living and zero waste. Her stores in Rocky River and Chagrin Falls offer customers a convenient way to refill household essentials, and personal care products, and purchase products that are safe for people and the planet. Hear Rachel share all the ways we can go plastic free and describe how her own health journey led her to open her shop and help others ignite their passion for sustainability. Guest: Rachel Regula - Founder and CEO of Little Spark Refill ShopResources:About RachelSome Rachel Picks:  Marley's Monsters, Detergent Sheets, Dryer BallsRecycling at Little Spark Refill ShopPlastic Film Recycling  

Do you have a passion for education and for farming? Can you live your dream and combine the two? Today we're joined by Kelly Clark, Founder of Kelly's Working Well Farm, located in Chagrin Falls, Ohio. Kelly's Working Well Farm is an educational permaculture farm dedicated to the community. Take one piece of abandoned property at the edge of town, add a handful of sheep and goats, plus chickens and a couple of dogs, invite the community, and you have the long and short of the farm's origin story!  As a teacher, Kelly spent her career seeking ways to cultivate authentic and lasting learning in her students, focusing not on external validation or evaluation, but rather on meaningful engagement with the material at hand.  Kelly's Working Well Farm was created to provide an environment in which individuals could learn, grow, and explore through freely chosen, authentic, and meaningful activities. In such an environment, the boundary between work and play dissolves, and community bonds are formed via mutual interest and endeavors.  Join us to hear all about Kelly's unique thriving farmer journey!   You'll hear: What brought Kelly over from the teaching world to the farming world 1:27 The process of bringing the educational programs into the farm 6:31 How Kelly educates the children when they come to her farm 12:29 What different enterprises Kelly's Working Well Farm is involved in 14:23 What kind of dehydrator they use 17:00  How Kelly uses sheep on the farm 21:51 Some of the struggles Kelly faced with the farm 26:32 People involved in Kelly's legal case with the local township 30:52 What the future holds for Kelly's Working Well Farm 33:49 What the marketing looks like for Kelly's farm 41:02 Kelly's favorite farming tool 46:03   About the Guest:  Kelly was inspired to start Kelly's Working Well Farm in order to create a place for members of the community to learn about permaculture and how to grow food and practice ways of living that benefit the Earth, each other, and the other beings with which we share this planet, our home. She grew up in northeast Ohio and has returned to stay there. Kelly is grateful to have the opportunity to nurture this land and observe as it becomes more productive with each passing year and also how it in turn nurtures the spirits of those who spend time there. Resources: Website: https://morethanafarm.org/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KellysWorkingWellFarm  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/morethanafarm.kwwf/?hl=en#    The Thriving Farmer Podcast Team would like to thank our amazing sponsor! At AgriGro®, we know that in today's modern agriculture, our efforts can deplete life or add life. When you look for ways to add life, it's sustainable and makes everything work better. The result is enhanced plant and soil health for crops, gardens, and turf, as well as improved animal health and environment for livestock and wildlife. Our products are all-natural, easy to use, and friendly to the soil, the plant, as well as the grower. AgriGro's® formulations deliver essential plant nutrition along with an advanced prebiotic concentrate, which significantly increases the multitude of beneficial native microbial species already residing in the production environment. Through these environmentally sound technologies, we're adding life to crop production, livestock, home, turf, and wildlife markets. You don't have to be dependent on crop production efforts that deplete life…Just Add Life with AgriGro®.

We got into a discussion about the best beach in NE Ohio, and Bill made some WAVES with his take!  Today, we talked about great locations for a honeymoon, unusual baby names, and Billy from Tremont needed some relationship advice. He wants to break up with his girlfriend, but his parents just invited her on their family vacation!  What does he do now?!? Also, Battle of the Burbs, Austin Love from WKYC Channel 3 previewed Cleveland Burger Week, and we continue to get you ready for Wonderstruck this weekend at Lakeland Community College!  

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This week Bob and I celebrate the 50th episode. Actually, we just mention it and then we drink a really huge barrel aged Imperial Stout in commemoration. Bob and I talk about the beer fest that took place in Medina this past weekend, and in the news and views segment we tackle the topic of satellite tap rooms versus distribution expansion as a means of growing a brewery. Remember, you can email the show at feedback@thebrewerofseville.com and submit questions for our upcoming interviews, and now we have a new after-hours drunk hotline for the podcast. The number is 330-271-0874. Give us a call and leave your drunk messages and if they are good enough, we just might play them on air. In the second half of the show, I travel up to 8th Day Brewing in Auburn, Ohio, and talk with one of the owners/brewer Matt Boddy. We discussed how he went from working a full-time construction job to becoming a full-time brewery owner and brewer. During the interview we sampled some amazing beers from Matt including a killer Kolsch, a fantastic Irish Ale, a solid West Coast IPA, and an amazing NEIPA. Stop in to see Matt at 8th Day Brewing Thursday thru Sunday. They are located at 11782 Washington St, Chagrin Falls, OH. Don't forget to join the Pint Club by visiting my Patreon page at https://www.patreon.com/PintTalkingPintClub There are three tier levels and when you join the Pint Club you will get an opportunity to win a six pack of Ohio beer that is shipped by Rivalry Brews https://rivalrybrews.com/. You will also get a few coupon codes, and once every month you will be invited to a one-hour Q&A session on Facebook in which you can ask them anything you want about craft beer and the industry. Make sure you visit Eighth Day Brewing on the web at https://www.8thdaybrewing.com/ to see what they are brewing up. You can also follow them on Facebook at  https://www.facebook.com/8thDayBrewing/ and on Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/8thdaybrewingco/ Don't forget to visit my website at https://www.thebrewerofseville.com/ to catch up on old episodes and visit the BOS swag store. Make sure you check out our friends at  Wrecking Crew Brew Works on the web at https://www.wreckingcrewbrewworks.com/ and follow them on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/Wreckingcrewbrewworks and Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/wreckingcrewbrewworks You can also check out the Medina Brewery Passport on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/MedinaCountyBreweryPassport/ Make sure you check out this week's sponsors Blue Cooler  - Shop for a high quality cooler at half the price. Go to: https://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&merchant_id=fdaa7e76-35bf-4f93-a2f2-0ba0fd3f2dcd&website_id=1b4fdbbe-e41e-40ba-a3b4-8cd9bcb808a9&url=https%3A%2F%2Fbluecoolers.com%2F Enter the code BLUE10 at checkout to save 10% your entire order. Also don't forget to visit Shirts on Tap at https://shirtsontap.com/ and use the code rq7szr  For $10 off your first order.    

Today, we're talking about all things housing policy. What makes a neighborhood a good place to raise a family? How can we say “Yes In My Back Yard” instead of “Not In My Back Yard”? But first, hosts Amanda Weinstein, Jasmine Clark and Rachel Vindman talk about the news. Jasmine just got out of session in the Georgia Legislature and her Republican colleagues passed some really bad bills. And new abortion bills and “Don't Say Gay” bills are sweeping the nation. But in some much-needed good news, Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson was confirmed to the Supreme Court! Erinn Grube, the Village Council President in Chagrin Falls, Ohio, joins the pod to talk about how they were able to put up some new housing developments while still keeping the cute and historical character of their town. Erinn discusses the importance of walkability and what her kids have learned about local government by watching her work.After that, Amanda gets to chat with economist and housing expert Dr. Jenny Schuetz about her new book, Fixer Upper: How to Repair America's Broken Housing System. They discuss what suburban women should know about housing policy, how it affects our daily lives, how a history of racism has affected housing in America, and how affordable housing is good for everyone.Finally, Rachel, Amanda and Jasmine raise a glass to big milestones for their kids, to a little alone time for themselves, and to people who say “Yes In My Back Yard!” in this week's “Toast to Joy.”If you want to check out Red Wine and Blue's “Parent Playbook,” you can find it here. It's a fun guide full of helpful advice for moms who want to organize in their communities.For a transcript of this episode, please email theswppod@redwine.blue.

Running the Bases today with Yolanda Albergottie the Corporate Gift Basket Consultant and Wine Education Coordinator for Chuck's Fine Wines, Chagrin Falls, Ohio.  In addition, she is also the Market Development Manager for BNI® (Business Network International) NE Ohio, and Director of Marketing and Downtown Expansion for WIN (Women In Networking) Cleveland.Yolanda's passions are good friends, good food, good drink, cooking, reading, and making connections for people. An information junkie, when she is not curating content for her various businesses' social media accounts she can be found listening to podcasts and recording her own, “Five Easy Things the Podcast” The mom of four beautiful, talented adult children, she resides in Aurora, Ohio with her soul mate Kurt.We touch base on topics like homeschooling, wine and beer tasting, and the art of networking!To learn more about Yolanda and Chuck's Fine Wines visit: https://chucksfinewines.com/Things we touched on during the show:Northeast Ohio BNIFive Easy Things the PodcastSomm - The DocumentaryGet Local SEO and Digital Marketing information from 38 Digital MarketListen and subscribe to our show on iTunes, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google Podcast, iHeart Radio, Pandora or TuneIn.Follow 38 Digital Market on our Social Accounts:FacebookLinkedInTwitterYoutubeInstagramFollow our guest today at:FacebookTwitterInstagramLinkedIn