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MMALOTN is back to give you breakdowns and predictions for UFC Vegas 94: Lemos vs Jandiroba. THIS PATREON IS FOR THE FIGHT LINK DATABASE, NOT MY PICKS/BETS/WRITE UPS.

[A dip into the archives for a one of our first-ever episodes from 2017 - by request!] Author Matt Algeo (Last Team Standing: How the Steelers and the Eagles – "The Steagles" – Saved Pro Football During World War II) joins Tim Hanlon all the way from Maputo, Mozambique to discuss the marriage of convenience that literally saved the National Football League from collapse in 1943. Algeo describes how a desperate Art Rooney scrambled to save his Pittsburgh Steelers franchise, depleted by wartime military call-ups; how a hastily assembled squad of ragtag draft rejects practiced football at night while maintaining defense jobs by day (including one player who worked on the eventual war-ending Manhattan Project); why the "Phil-Pitt Combine" wore Eagles colors and played more home games in Philadelphia than in Pittsburgh; and, in a PODCAST EXCLUSIVE, why the story of the Steagles just might soon be coming to a theater near you.

MMALOTN is back to give you breakdowns and predictions for UFC Atlantic City: Blanchfield vs Fiorot. THIS PATREON IS FOR THE FIGHT LINK DATABASE, NOT MY PICKS/BETS/WRITE UPS.

Aside from being famous and at the top of their crafts, Harry Truman and Pablo Picasso could hardly have been more different. Matthew Algeo explains how their one-off meeting was used by both men to further their goals in politics and art. In, "When Harry Met Pablo: Truman, Picasso and the Cold War Politics of Modern Art," Algeo explains how modern art became a leverage point in the fight against McCarthyism, and how art became a political battlefield, much as it is today. We also chatted about his life as a globetrotter, an author and his efforts to see the place where the historic - but seldomly reported on - meeting took place.Matthew Algeo's website can be found at https://www.malgeo.net/Information on his book is available at https://www.chicagoreviewpress.com/when-harry-met-pablo-products-9781641607872.php?page_id=30&cid=183995Support our show at https://patreon.com/axelbankhistory**A portion of every contribution is given to a charity for children's literacy** "Axelbank Reports History and Today" can be found on social media at https://twitter.com/axelbankhistory https://instagram.com/axelbankhistoryhttps://facebook.com/axelbankhistory

'Bout Business is the ONLY place you'll find Lou "GambLou" Finocchiaro's official and FREE weekly releases! After a weekend off, Lou climbs back into the cage looking for profit. So far this year, listeners remain +22.58 Units and reaping a 14% ROI. Here's our featured fights with releases ahead of this week's UFC Las Vegas 80 event: (04:33) RD1 Hernandez vs Algeo (06:45) RD2 Cutelaba vs Lins (09:46) RD3 Buckley vs Morono (11:55) RD4 Alhassan vs Pyfer (15:36) RD5 *Parlay feat. Dawson vs Green Follow us on Twitter @GambLou @greenrollmedia @greenrollmma and visit www.greenrollmedia.com   Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLERSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

MMALOTN is back to give you breakdowns and predictions for UFC Vegas 80: Dawson vs Green. THIS PATREON IS FOR THE FIGHT LINK DATABASE, NOT MY PICKS/BETS/WRITE UPS.

'Bout Business is the ONLY place you'll find Lou "GambLou" Finocchiaro's official and FREE weekly releases! After a weekend off, Lou climbs back into the cage looking for profit. So far this year, listeners remain +22.58 Units and reaping a 14% ROI. Here's our featured fights with releases ahead of this week's UFC Las Vegas 80 event: (04:33) RD1 Hernandez vs Algeo (06:45) RD2 Cutelaba vs Lins (09:46) RD3 Buckley vs Morono (11:55) RD4 Alhassan vs Pyfer (15:36) RD5 *Parlay feat. Dawson vs Green Follow us on Twitter @GambLou @greenrollmedia @greenrollmma and visit www.greenrollmedia.com   Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLERSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jeffrey Mosher welcomes Seniors Helping Seniors Owner Sheila Samples, & Director of Business Development and Training Howard Algeo. Seniors Helping Seniors just celebrated the expansion of her senior care business Monday, September 25th? tell us about that? The brand's newest location will now also serve (Where?) Farmington, Farmington Hills, Novi, Walled Lake and Wixom. Tell us about the over two decades of experience of helping people in the health insurance industry? Howard discuss growth opportunities across Michigan? Sheila, along with husband, Joseph, tell us about that inspiration for caregiving? What's that contact information? Open the mic up to both of you about anything else you believe the Michigan business community should know at this time? » Visit MBN website: www.michiganbusinessnetwork.com/ » Subscribe to MBN's YouTube: www.youtube.com/channel/UCqNX… » Like MBN: www.facebook.com/mibiznetwork » Follow MBN: twitter.com/MIBizNetwork/ » MBN Instagram: www.instagram.com/mibiznetwork/

Mattybetss and Austin Swaim are back for another UFC Fight night headlined by Dawson vs Green. They break down each fight and give their leans as well as build a parlay at the end for all of the degens! Intro/Recap: 0:00 - 03:40 De La Rosa vs Aldrich: 03:40 - 07:03 Maness vs Mendonca: 07:03 - 11:14 Demopoulos vs Murata: 11:14 - 13:52 Aoriqileng vs Munoz: 13:52 - 18:00 Gutierrez vs Jackson: 18:00 - 19:02 Kowalkiewicz vs Belbita: 19:02 - 21:50 Hernandez vs Algeo: 21:50 - 27:51 Lins vs Cutelaba: 27:51 - 33:03 Dober vs Glenn: 33:03 - 37:49 Morono vs Buckley: 37:49 - 44:58 Pyfer vs Alhassan: 44:58 - 51:00 Dawson vs Green: 51:00 - 01:05:27 The Parlay: 01:05:27 - 01:10:53 --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/mattybetss/support

Our guest in this episode, Rie Algeo Gilsdorf, describes herself as someone who believes in “seeing and integrating the big picture”. She believes in the whole person and integrating us all. She comes by this attitude honestly as you will hear. From attending a number of different schools while still living in the same house to how she learned through the years to live her life, Rie has made it her mission in life to help eliminate inequality in mind, body, and spirit. One of the fascinating things Rie talks about is why she obtained master's degrees in Biology and Dance. As you will hear, it's all about understanding the mind and body as part of the whole person picture. We get to have an interesting discussion about making choices, or not. As Rie discusses she was told often while getting her Dance Master's degree, “You have to make a choice of either being a dancer or a choreographer. Her response from the “big picture standpoint, “Why can't I be both is I choose to?” As we discuss, often people tell us to make choices, but it is because of simply the other person's point of view, not from a more general viewpoint or the point of view of the person who is thinking about what choice to make. I promise that our discussion will intrigue you. One very important concept Rie discusses concerns leaning into what we don't know. That is, when we do not know something or how to accomplish a task stop and look at the problem Learn from all your tools and sources how to deal with the issue. Most important, do not hesitate to ask others and especially don't hesitate to ask those who will be affected by your decisions. Big picture mentality again. My time with Rie is why Unstoppable Mindset is such a great podcast not only due to inclusion and Diversity but because we really do get to encounter the Unexpected in so many ways. As usual with our guests, Rie gives us all life lessons we can value and use. Enjoy, please. About the Guest: Rie Algeo Gilsdorf (She/Her) is passionate about seeing and integrating the big picture. Whether she's connecting people across distance and difference, integrating mind and body, science and art, or healing and change-making, Rie is dedicated to restoring wholeness to our common culture that heals and upholds us all. With Masters' degrees in Biology and Dance, Rie has an appreciation for the perceptions of the mind, heart and body, and the critical thinking and creativity they can provoke. Rie integrates Systems Change and Embodiment with an understanding of the physiology of trauma and the history of dominant and marginalized groups, applying all of this to overcoming systemic racism on a personal, social and global level. She is a national leader in the use of Social Presencing Theater (SPT) in antiracism work. Throughout her career Rie has facilitated adult learning that develops capacity to achieve equity across race, gender, sexuality and ability as well as urban, suburban and rural cultures.Currently, she provides Cultural Ways of Being audits, facilitation, coaching and SPT practice groups to individuals, schools, organizations and faith communities via Embody Equity. Ways to connect with Rie: Links for my website, LinkedIn, Instagram, class registrations and more are all found on LinkTree: https://linktr.ee/embodyequity About the Host: Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog. Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children's Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association's 2012 Hero Dog Awards. https://michaelhingson.com https://www.facebook.com/michael.hingson.author.speaker/ https://twitter.com/mhingson https://www.youtube.com/user/mhingson https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhingson/ accessiBe Links https://accessibe.com/ https://www.youtube.com/c/accessiBe https://www.linkedin.com/company/accessibe/mycompany/ https://www.facebook.com/accessibe/ Thanks for listening! Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it using the social media buttons on this page. Do you have some feedback or questions about this episode? Leave a comment in the section below! Subscribe to the podcast If you would like to get automatic updates of new podcast episodes, you can subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts or Stitcher. You can also subscribe in your favorite podcast app. Leave us an Apple Podcasts review Ratings and reviews from our listeners are extremely valuable to us and greatly appreciated. They help our podcast rank higher on Apple Podcasts, which exposes our show to more awesome listeners like you. If you have a minute, please leave an honest review on Apple Podcasts. Transcription Notes Michael Hingson  00:00 Access Cast and accessiBe Initiative presents Unstoppable Mindset. The podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Hi, I'm Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i  capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us.     Michael Hingson  01:20 Well, hello, once again, it is time for another episode of unstoppable mindset where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Oh, and our guest today is Rei Gilsdorf. And she's going to yell at me because I didn't include equity. I just said inclusion and diversity. But that's okay. We'll get to that. Rie is a big picture person. And she will tell you and she has master's degrees in biology and dance, which is pretty unique, and a lot of other kinds of things to go along with that. So I think we're gonna have a lot of fun today. I am certainly looking forward to it and looking forward to learning a lot and having a wonderful discussion. So Rie welcome to unstoppable mindset.   Rei Gilsdorf  02:05 Well, thank you so much, Michael. It's good to be here.   Michael Hingson  02:09 I'll it's always a pleasure to have somebody who comes on and really does look at the big picture. So we'll get there. But yes, let's let's talk about you growing up a little bit, your childhood and all that sort of how did you get somewhere and moving forward and all that? Yeah.   Rei Gilsdorf  02:27 Well, you know, the interesting thing is, I grew up in California in a small town, and my town at Santa Ynez, California, also also very close to solving that more people have put up right, with the cookies in the ABL fever.   Michael Hingson  02:44 But Zaca Mesa wine comes from Santa   Rei Gilsdorf  02:48 does, yes, it certainly does. And lots of other good ones. So when I was a child, my dad was in agriculture. He was an animal nutritionist, actually. And he worked mainly with large animals, cattle and horses. And so our fortunes were directly tied to those markets, which are very cyclical. And so what would happen for me is I started out my educational life in a private school, and then the bottom fell out of the Cadillac, and then I landed in a public school, and then I would be there for a couple of years until some egregious thing happened. Like, you know, they're going to put 24 Children in one classroom, which, of course, by today's standards, you know, there are teachers that would kill to have only 20. in their room, right. But back in the day, that was just unheard of. And so then,   Michael Hingson  03:40 when was that roughly?   Rei Gilsdorf  03:41 That was that would have been in the late 60s. Okay. So so you know, then I would move to a private school, and we'd be there for a few years, and then the market would fall, and then I'd go back to public school, and then some awful thing would happen, then I go back to private school. So even though I grew up my entire childhood in one house, I went to five different schools. So for me, I didn't have language for it at the time, of course, but there were cultural differences between those programs, right? So I would say things like, as a seven year old, I said to my mom, when I first went to public school, mom, they were in their 20s to school, because at the private school, there was a uniform and you had to have leather shoes, and then you came home and you changed into your play clothes and your tennis shoes. Right. So so like, I didn't understand what that meant. Or, you know, socioeconomically, that you know, not everybody has shoes for every occasion, you know, and that it's funny to wear your tennis shoes to school. It was just different to me. And over the course of all my schooling, I think the message that I got was, there are more than one way to be. There's one more than one way that is considered normal in different places. And so there's a skill of figuring out what is called for, and how I need to be in different places.   Michael Hingson  05:11 When you were when you were growing up, and you made that comment to your mom, I'm curious if you remember, what did she say?   Rei Gilsdorf  05:18 You know, I don't think she just said, Oh, honey, that's just how, you know, that's just a different school, and they just have different ways. And she started just minimize that she didn't really talk about it much.   Michael Hingson  05:30 Anyway, go ahead.   Rei Gilsdorf  05:32 Yeah. So anyway, I think that that like looking back on it, I think that's really, you know, how I first began to understand that there's more than one way to be, right, and that, that things that seem perfectly normal in one environment are like really not normal in another environment. And, and that, you know, like, wow, there's the way that we act in my home is not the way that everyone acts in their home. So then, you know, fast forward is that I go, and I get a degree in biology, and I get a degree, I get a degree in biology, because, you know, my dad, in agriculture thought that that would be great, because I could go to vet school, or I could go to med school, or I could go into research, or I could, you know, so I was, you know, didn't really know what I wanted to do. And I did that. And then actually got a master's in zoology and animal behavior. And, and it's very interesting if you if you want to learn the skills about observing, and describing animal behavior is a great place to start, because you don't know what that Sparrow is thinking. But you know, that he's trying to get to the top of the dominance hierarchy. And he's, he's like, there's a literal pecking order, and he's picking on the next slightly smaller Sparrow. Right. So so there are, there are things I think I learned about describing that, as opposed to interpreting and laying my story on that have been really helpful, because as much as we are all humans, and we all share, you know, one physiology and, you know, there's a lot of really lovely sentiments about, you know, we all smile on one language. And also, people have really different experiences. And it can feel like you're being erased, if somebody who has more power or is little more dominant in that situation just sort of is like, Oh, we're all alike, comma, you're like me? Well, like Michael, you're just like me, except for that. You're blind. And I'm not, but I'm just gonna say we're all alike. You know, so there's something that's just a little it again, it doesn't capture the big picture, we have to go out to the big picture of people's different experiences and needs, and then we can come back in to the immediate picture of okay, what does everybody need right now? And how are we like, and how are we going to be one group here today?   Michael Hingson  08:08 But what really got you to the point where you emotionally and intellectually understood the value or need for the big picture? Oh,   Rei Gilsdorf  08:18 you know, what? That's? That's an excellent question. Part of it is, I think that I have kind of always had a propensity for that when I was about 12, or 13, a pastor, actually, who was a friend of my older sisters said to me, you know, what, you're a middle person, you can see both sides, and people are going to try to make you choose. And really your gift is see both sides. And it was one of those moments where I knew that he had said something profound, even though you don't like it, well, I wasn't quite ready for it to be that profound. But then, you know, then the other piece is, then I go, and I get a degree in dance. And you know, my mother is beside herself, because like, what are you going to do with these two things that are so do science degree and an art degree and how you know, but really, I can see that it's all about the body. And there's, you know, like, cognitively, understanding how the body works, and the systems and all of those kinds of things. And then there's physically understanding what it is to inhabit your body and express something or understand body language or that sort of thing. So I think that I think it was probably in those years when I was, you know, getting my dance masters. So I would have been in my 20s when, you know, I began to really go Okay, wait, there's a bigger picture here. And even in dance, people were saying, you know, you have to choose, you have to either be a teacher or a performer you have to either be a choreographer or a teacher, you know, and realizing like, Well, no, those aren't, you know, what, why couldn't a person do both of those things? Life is long.   Michael Hingson  10:04 Yeah. And everybody always wants you to make a choice according to their definitions. And of course, that's the real issue is it's their view, and they don't look at other views that may cause them to stretch and grow, because they're too comfortable with the one thing that they know.   Rei Gilsdorf  10:25 Yes, very well said, really well said, Yeah. And because, you know, for that person, making some drastic choice early in their life might have been a really smart decision for them, it might be the best choice they ever made. Right? But that doesn't necessarily mean it's the right choice for me.   Michael Hingson  10:43 Yeah, it's, it is an interesting world we live in. And it's all too often that people just don't see the value of a big picture. And I also think that it is important that although you see the big picture, it's important to be able to bring it back down and focus in on whatever it is that you have to deal with the endeavor or whatever at the time.   Rei Gilsdorf  11:06 Absolutely. zooming out and zooming in. View, and then you've got because if you say the whole time with your head in the clouds really, then then you're not practical. And that's, you know, that there are people who use the big picture to kind of bypass that, you know, they get to that we all smile in the same language place, and then they, they don't get to like it. Okay, well, how are we going to make that work? Right?   Michael Hingson  11:34 What Where did you go to college,   Rei Gilsdorf  11:36 I took my first degree at Occidental College in Los Angeles, which is a small liberal arts college, which was a good step for me coming from a very small town going through a smallish college, you know, I think if I had gone to Washington State, which was my next step, which had probably 30,000 students at the time, you know, that would have been a too big of a step for me at the time. But, but yeah, then I went to Washington State for my science degree, and then I was dancing all along. And I had in my head, this, this old trope about how you know, you don't make it and dance by the time you're 30 your career is over, you know, and so I didn't allow myself to realize how much I love to dance and, and you know, how it could be a career path. Until, until I was almost done with my though ology masters. And so then I went to the University of Utah, because they have a great choreography program. And also, by the way, they have what's called the kinesiology program, dance, kinesiology. So that's the study of the body in motion. And so that was really kind of a sweet spot for me, you know, it really allowed me again, to develop both halves of that, although, you know, I was the first graduate student in their history, to write a thesis and produce a concert, you know, like, usually, if you're a choreography major, you're going to produce a concert. And if you're a science major, you know, kinesiology major, you're going to do a thesis. And I was like, No, I don't really do both of these things.   Michael Hingson  13:11 So you had a lot of fun doing it. I should it. What made you pick combination of science and dance, though? They are very different in a lot of ways. Which isn't to say, it's a good idea or not, but what what made you do both of those,   Rei Gilsdorf  13:29 you know, well, like I said, my dad had a science background, he was an animal scientist to be exact. And so really, I got my biology degree just to be compliant, you know, and my, my mom said to me, don't worry, if you don't know what you want to major, and you're like, Go start your biology major, and go, you're going to a liberal arts school and take a lot of classes, and you're going to meet some professor that just excites you and sees your potential, and you're going to just want to hang out with them and learn from them. And then you'll know like, that's where you should go. And I got into my senior year of college, and then I was really disappointed because I thought, oh, my gosh, I never met that professor, like, what's wrong with me? And then I realized that actually, it was my dance teacher. And because dance was an adjunct subject at that school, you know, she she wasn't a professor, right. So. So then what happened was, I went up to Washington State because I'd gotten a teaching assistantship, and by the way, that's where I fell in love with teaching because there were there were graduate students who had research assistantships, and teaching assistantship and the research assistant people were like, the people with the spotless transcript and the, you know, they were like that was that the you know, prize position. And other people like, well, I guess you're gonna have to teach and then even amongst Teaching, I got assigned biology 101 basic basic class. And I loved those beginners, you know, and I realized that I actually had a gift for helping make things clear to beginners. So, so I went up there, and I was part of a dance group, you know, just as an extracurricular thing. And, you know, the, the poor fortune of my professor there was that she was going through a very messy divorce, and she was depressed, and she didn't really have the wherewithal to run the group. So she turned it over to us. So then that was my good fortune, because that's where I found choreography. And I was like, Oh, wow, you could keep choreographing. But you know, like, it wouldn't matter if your viewer aging. So, so that's where I really got turned on by, you know, that bit by the choreography bug. And then, you know, finished out my thesis and went went on down to Utah from there.   Michael Hingson  16:02 Wow. So then what did you do once you have these two degrees, and you had to go out into the workforce and do something with them all?   Rei Gilsdorf  16:13 Exactly. So for a long time, I had a day job.   Michael Hingson  16:18 To have one of those occasionally.   Rei Gilsdorf  16:20 Yeah, yes. Gotta have those. And, and then, interestingly, you know, some years later, well, what   Michael Hingson  16:28 was your day job?   Rei Gilsdorf  16:29 Oh, my gosh, I had a sequence of data ups. But I'll tell you the most astounding one is I, I worked at a medical clinic, because growing up, I had worked in my dad's office, so I knew how to do office things. And and I worked at a medical clinic in the collections department. Like, I'm not exactly who you would think of the collector, just not, you know, firm in that way. Like I am not someone you think is going to break your kneecaps at all, you know. And so, so that was a rough job. And then actually, when I first kind of Mind, Body Jobs was the last year we were living that we were living there, because my husband at the time was getting his degree at Cal Poly University in San Luis Obispo. Yeah. And so I actually got offered a job being the physical therapy assistant at a day program for disabled adult. And they mainly were folks who had mild cognitive impairment and significant mobility issues. So a lot of folks that had had head injuries or, you know, cerebral palsy, or those sorts of things. And I, part of how I got this was that in college, I had done a semester with a professor who was really a pioneer in dance for folks with disabilities. And so I remember calling her because I was so nervous that I'd been offered the job. And I said, and I just feel like, you know, how do I know if what I'm doing is hurting them? Are they? And she said, Oh, well, there's a way to know. And I said, What is it? And she said, Why you ask them? They've been living in their body their whole life? Oh, God,   Michael Hingson  18:24 and how often we don't in all seriousness, and how often we don't we, we, and one end of the scale, we think we're the experts. And so we don't need to ask, and I've seen that so many times. The other end, we just don't think about asking even though it's the logical thing to do, and we don't, we don't work view ourselves as the expert.   Rei Gilsdorf  18:45 Exactly. Or there's the scripts about how it's not polite, you know, like when your mother has taught you that it's not polite to look or point at someone who is different, right, who has a disability, then that gets internalized? Well, I'm certainly not going to talk about it, but you like they've been living in their body their whole life, they would certainly rather, you know, my clients would certainly rather have me ask them, then, like, try some idiotic thing that does hurt, right. Oh, anyway. So that was really one of my first places of combining, you know, because we were doing physical therapy. But it was so you know, such a sort of great outlet and then i i Of course put some dance in there. And, and then from there we we moved to Colorado and then I was able to work in both like a it was probably a for profit colleges called Denver Technical College. So I was able to teach you know, anatomy physiology, those things there and then there must have been a baby boom like three years earlier in Colorado Springs because There were so many preschool programs that wanted to have a creative dance thing. So I was teaching, you know, college kids at night and little four year olds, and three year olds in the daytime. So that was a little schizophrenic, but lots of fun. And and then we ended up moving to Portland, Oregon. And at that point, there was a, an arts high school being built. And I ended up getting hired into that program. And amazingly enough, you had to have an art and an academic to teach full time, because they put the academics in the morning, when people's minds were fresh. And then they put the arts which are all things that you physically do in the afternoon, and which also are things that kids you know, tended to love. So they would like show up and focus and, you know, and all of that sort of thing. And because I had a background in biology and dance, I could teach full time there. And if the time was, when it opened, it was an alternative school. So it didn't matter like that. I didn't have the right licensure, and really, not very many states were licensing dance teachers in those days. And then along comes No Child Left Behind. And they had requirements for being a quote, unquote, highly qualified teacher. And even though by that point, I had been teaching dance and integrating, I mean, part of that program was that we integrated the art and the academics together, because we knew that children learn what we all learned, we don't learn in a box, right? Like, I never really thought a whole lot about math until I had to replace the floor and a bathroom. And I had to figure out the foreign tile, right? There was a lot of math in that. So the learning by doing thing is is very important. So anyway, I, I was very happy, happy as a clam there for 10 years, then No Child Left Behind came along, and they were like, well, you're gonna have to quit, and you're gonna have to go get your teaching degree. And in fact, it means that you're going to have to student teach in someone's classroom, that probably has less experience than you. And I just couldn't do I mean, a lot of my colleagues did it, bless their hearts. But at that point, then I got to principals license, and then shortly after that, I ended up moving to Minnesota, to be the principal of a different arts high school,   Michael Hingson  22:27 you certainly moved around a lot from California to Colorado to Oregon and then in a soda.   Rei Gilsdorf  22:35 Exactly, did a lot of moving.   Michael Hingson  22:40 So was was it all because of you or husband? Or was it job related? Or just you guys decided you wanted to see different kinds of snow?   Rei Gilsdorf  22:54 Well, you know, we did find that both Colorado and Oregon are the Birkenstocks was sock state. So um, so we moved to, we moved to Colorado for his job. And then he was really sort of burning out from that job. And he had gone on a trip to Portland, actually a whole bunch of West Coast cities and fell in love with Portland, he said, You have to come out here and see this. So we up and move to Portland, just because it felt really good. And managed to both get jobs there. And then move to Minnesota for my job. He has been the trailing spouse, as we say. So.   Michael Hingson  23:41 So when did you move to Minnesota? What What year was   Rei Gilsdorf  23:44 moved there? It moved here in 2004.   Michael Hingson  23:48 Okay. And then you put your principals license to work   Rei Gilsdorf  23:52 with the principals license to work. And as I got hired in that job, the superintendent who hired me, said he told me this little story about how the year before the prior principal, had had 11 openings for teachers, which I mean, I think there were only about 25 teachers in the school. So that's, that's a huge number of staff. And despite, you know, some pressure to diversify, the staff had managed to hire 100%, white able bodied folks, and even when those folks were, you know, like met each other for the first time, you know, I get the back to school, you know, welcome new teachers kind of event. They were kind of surprised and disappointed. And so this superintendent said to me, if you can't hire at least 50% diverse staff staff of color in particular, you will lose the trust of your faculty. And so I thought, wow, okay, so he's telling me to This is very important. And Hmm, I'm not sure I know how to do that. So at that point, I leaned into what I didn't know and started, you know, started my educational journey. And, and really, it was probably about 10 years after that, that I ended up kind of really fully going into this work. But I think that's another really important point is, you know, like this, this is the same thing as as asking people what their preferences are, or what what, you know, what they need, or whatever, that, you know, leaning into what we don't know. Like, there is no shame in that none of us knows everything. And if you try to make like, you know, things, then you're not really going to make progress. You've got to say, Well, okay, can I go to this conference? Can I pull together this learning group? Can I, you know, Can I try this? Can I try that? And that's, that's how we progress.   Michael Hingson  26:05 Did you happen to think of asking any of your faculty members for help and ideas about how to hire a more, at least racially diverse population and seizures?   Rei Gilsdorf  26:17 Yes, definitely. Good. Because the, you know, like, often the wisdom, a lot of the wisdom is in the room. Right. And there also are people that have networks of, you know, beyond I mean, certainly, especially as I was a brand new person in Minnesota, it's not like I knew a lot of people here, you know, and other people did. So. Yeah.   Michael Hingson  26:39 Well, and you'd already had lessons in the value of asking, so that's why I asked that question.   Rei Gilsdorf  26:46 Yes, definitely. Well, so   Michael Hingson  26:47 what do you do today? Exactly.   Rei Gilsdorf  26:50 So what I do at this point is, I have a little company, I'm a sole proprietor, it's called embody equity, because, of course, I'm gonna bring the body into thing. And, and I kind of do this on two levels. So there's the personal level, where people need to, myself included, you know, we need to learn how to listen to our bodies, which sometimes means quieting our minds in our mouths. And we need to overcome some of these fears and biases. I love that in one of your taglines, you talk about how, you know, we can't be inclusive until we tackle what's inside of ourselves. And I think that is so true. And very often, people will understand cognitively why it's a good idea to be inclusive, and all those things, but they can't quite, you know, when when a situation happens, things come out of their mouth, or they make decisions that they perhaps aren't real proud of, or wouldn't have if they'd had more time to think or whatever. And, and a lot of that is because a lot of these a lot of these fears and biases are things that we hold in our bodies. And again, if we've been trained that it's like, it's not polite to think about that or talk about that, it's certainly not polite to feel a feeling that doesn't feel good about another person. And so part of that is just like learning to feel into that feeling, allow it to come over, you understand what it's coming from, and then you can get to like, oh, well, that's a silly thing to be afraid of. I guess that's nothing to beat. That's nothing to worry about. Or, oh, wow, I guess, I guess that person might have a different perspective. And maybe I could listen to that. But if you, if you start from the body, then you can understand that, you know, a lot of wisdom and a lot of opening up can come out and a lot of letting go can come out of working with your body. So so really, you know, I also like to say the body's like that person in the meeting that doesn't speak up until the end of the meeting. And then they open their mouth and they just wow you that this amazing thought comes out that sums everything up. And clearly they've been paying attention the whole time. Your body's like that person in the meaning of you, your mind and your body. Your body is the one who's like very quiet they're not going to assert themselves but they know a lot and a lot of it is getting the mind to be a little quiet so we can listen to the body now. So that's one level. And you know, sometimes people even come to me for coaching on you know, gosh, I have a new daughter in law that's a person of color or I have a new co worker or I'm supervising this group of people and I realized that I'm I'm acting nervous around people who are different than me. So those kinds of things you know, I can do coaching on on those kinds of things. And then the other thing is, whole organizations need to embody that, that the statement that they have, right or that that eloquent thing that they came out with, after some hideous situation was in the news. And they wanted to differentiate themselves. And they said, We stand with the cause. And yet, then they don't actually know how to, as an organization, stand with the cause. So So really, what I do is I look for I have gotten in the habit of looking at people's documents, like, personnel, manual job posting those sorts of things, and finding the language in there that is pushing for the status quo. Because it's going to be in there because it's it's been written, like, you know, companies occur out of the status quo, companies, churches, schools. In fact, I thought it was fascinating. You had told a story about being in a church that was considering putting, I think, an elevator in place. And what was fascinating about that, Michael, is the pushback on that sounds exactly like the kind of pushback that I hear about other situations that are about race or gender or other other aspects of diversity. So see, that's where, like, I'm so tempted to then like, oh, let's come out to the big picture, what is this consciousness that people are inhabiting? That I'm only safe if things stay exactly like they are. And there's something vaguely unsafe about us putting an elevator here, because someone different than me is going to come to this church, you know, and how, like, if you if you really just play that tape on out to the end, like the logical end of that statement, that's, that's ridiculous on the face. You know,   Michael Hingson  32:02 so isn't it, and it's, it totally violates the the doctrine and the precepts of the church to not be inclusive, and it happens a whole lot more than we would like to think some people just think they own the church, it's theirs. It's not theirs, the last time I checked, but you know, it is amazing. And there's so many things, it's not ours, we're a part of a community. And the sooner we truly recognize that we're part of a bigger community, the better it will be all the way around. But as much as we hear it takes a village, we, when it comes to us, we don't like to think about that.   Rei Gilsdorf  32:42 Absolutely. You know, when I was at that first art school in Vancouver, Washington, where you know, you had to have an art and an academic to teach full time. That meant that we all shared classrooms, because I might be in a classroom in the morning that was suitable to do science in because it had sinks and counters and that sort of thing. Well, that's also a great kind of room to do visual art in and mix paint is not a great room to dance in. So I was gonna go to a gym, or some other large room to teach dance and an art teacher was going to come in behind me. So we all shared not only the children, but also the rooms and the resources. And as we were planning the school, our principal actually instituted what she called the my jar, which is kind of like the swearing jar and put 25 cents in if you say a bad word. So if anybody said, my kids, my kid my room, we had to put 25 cents into my jar. And let me tell you, that was quite an education about this idea that it's, it's ours, it's not mine. And it was hard was surprisingly hard again, even though on a cognitive level, I was all about this community. It took a couple of years to really learn how to live into that. Yeah.   Michael Hingson  34:00 And it is one of those things that all too often we don't learn very fast, and we should learn it more quickly. It isn't, there's no I in team, that's what it really comes down to. And there's a lot to be said for that. Exactly. So when did you actually give up being a principal?   Rei Gilsdorf  34:20 Um, you know, I did that job. I will tell you that that job. The thing about the State Arts High School is that it is a line item in the governor's budget. It's not a regular school district, and the governor appoints your school board. So I was politically over my head almost immediately. You know, came from out of state didn't really get Minnesota politics to begin with, and then had these board members who may or may not have really been interested in being a board member may have donated to a governor's campaign, you know, and so, so I left there after three years, but I went to another school to be they had a brand new position opening up, that was an arts department chair. So that was lovely, because then I got to really do a lot of coaching of teachers, which is one of my favorite things, you know, watching teachers teach. And coaching them was really a lot of fun. And then though, that was a private school, and I and I missed, oddly enough, the public school environment of like, really, you know, in a public school, you you accept the children that come to your doorstep. And in a private school, you have to go looking for diversity. And so it's, it's just a slightly different mindset there. So I went back to that school. And then that's where I really met the folks from courageous conversation, because that school was what was called an integration district. It's something that there had been a number of I wouldn't want to say in the late 1990s and early 2000s. And so it was a joint powers district of Minneapolis in the 11 surrounding suburbs, because what was found was that, that different suburbs were able to segregate themselves by having their own school district. And so this was a way that all of those districts had to submit an integration plan, you know, it got very wonky, but yeah, what we did, one of the things that we realized was, okay, so, so different kinds of children are going to these different districts and these teachers, it's not like normal, neighborhood change has happened, and you have, you know, a few kids who are different than you when you're in and then a few more, a few more, and you gradually learn your way into it, it's like, suddenly, now they've got a busload of children coming from this other part of town. And then they would do these things that just, you know, like, sometimes just getting out of yourself, and seeing, you know, having a set of outside eyes is really important. So for instance, there was a suburban school district here that was majority white. And they started getting a busload of mostly black children in and those children like that bus was arriving, like at a slightly earlier or later time, there was something weird about like, the timing and what was going on at the front entrance. And so they they just decided that they would have that bus come to the back door, you know, not thinking what does it look like when the black children have to come through the back door? Like what's, what's the inclusion message there? Yeah. Oh, and and given our shared history in this country, what's the message there? You know, so, so? Yeah, so we put together this thing that was called the cultural collaborative, that was a learning exchange for teachers, and, you know, at school administrators, and one year, my boss said to me, because at that point, and I was a, I was like, the curriculum integration specialists. So I was helping people pull the arts into the academics and, and by the way, look at how we can have different kinds of kids work together on arts projects, and learn from each other, and just have the experience of being together. So, so when you're my boss said to me, you know, we have this one company called courageous conversation that's coming in, and they're doing a lot of our classes, and then we have a whole bunch of other people. And I would like you to take as many of these classes as you can report back to me just as a quality control. And so in one year, I think I took 36 different one and two day courses. I mean, I really, I probably should have written up another Master's degree for that, but having to I didn't feel like getting a third. But at that point, you know, I learned a lot more of the technical pieces of it. And then there was a huge budget issue and all the people who were teachers on special assignment, in other words, who didn't have a classroom like B got laid off. And so after that, I ended up going to work for courageous conversation, which was the consultancy that was providing a lot of that. So I worked there for about six years. And then, at the beginning of the pandemic, by that time, I had really I discovered social presencing Theatre, which is the physical discipline that I'm working in now. And, and of course, when you work for someone that has conversation in the name of the business. And you say, Hey, I think we should do some movement seminars that aren't so heavily talk oriented, that you said, you know, our brand is conversation   Michael Hingson  40:15 comes in many forms.   Rei Gilsdorf  40:17 Exactly. So, you know, at the beginning of the pandemic, you know, of course, conversation was not a good idea in person. And so they laid off almost all of us. And at that point, I just knew like, oh, okay, right. So now's the time for me to really pull this together and figure out how this works. How do I work together with people to, to really embody equity. So that's, that's how I got there.   Michael Hingson  40:44 So you, you started your company, then somewhere in the early 2020? Yes, that's about three years old, which is, which is good. But you talk about equity, and you don't talk about or you don't have in your name, inclusion or diversity. Now, why is that?   Rei Gilsdorf  41:07 Yeah, so that's. So here's the thing. I think that diversity and inclusion are weak T compared to equity. And I'll tell you why. Diversity is the easiest thing to measure, because you can measure diversity just by counting and there are many categories that people disclose or, or are just visible. And so that, you know, in a way, that's the easiest your hat, what is what is the C suite look like who's in there who's not in inclusion is, there's a great book called The person you mean to be by Dolly too, and she talks about the metric of inclusion is how did your last meeting go? Like, who was talking, who was not talking? Who was even allowed in the meeting, you know, so so. So that's one way to think of it, I first really heard about inclusion when I was working at a school, and the parent association of the elementary part of the school had decided that if birthday invitations are going to be handed out at school, then you'd have to invite everyone in your class. And so I decided that that's a really fitting metaphor for inclusion, because I'm going to invite everyone to my party. And you know, of course, we're, we're all offered the same cake in the same punch and whatever, but it's still my party. And I might not be playing music that you like, and I might not have a cake that you like, or that you're even allowed to eat. And by the way, you have to bring me a present. So in a corporate sense, or in a school sense. Inclusion means I'm gonna make some overtures to make you minimally comfortable, you know, I'm going to acknowledge that you're here. And that you might have a couple of different needs, I might make a few accommodations, as I'm required to by law. But the program was designed for me, and for people like me. And so equity is about requires you to pull back and look at the big picture and say, Okay, if you have a diversity problem, what's the pipeline? Why aren't people finding their way to your business, or organization or church or whatever it is? What's going on, that is off putting, or that is disqualifying for people. And in the inclusion realm, equity is going to say, Okay, well, what are the cultural things that you are doing that, you know, you're like a fish in the water, you don't see your own culture, but people from outside your culture for sure can see it? And so what are the tools that you know, how can we expand your tool belt for equity, so that you can respond to multiple kinds of people, and so that it doesn't feel like a little weird exception has been made for this one person?   Michael Hingson  44:16 Yeah, it's interesting. I have to think about that. And what you said, my, my general experience is, certainly diversity does not include disabilities. Because as a society, we still believe disability means a lack of ability. And I think that in reality, we can change words. We can change definitions, we don't need to create necessarily new words. So diversity doesn't mean disabilities anymore, because that's what everyone has allowed to happen. So from my perspective, I I won't accept and I encourage people not to accept that inclusion doesn't include disabilities, either you are inclusive or you not it is a quantum, one way or the other, there is no partial inclusion, you either fully include all or you don't include anyone. And that disabilities are not things that mean a lack of ability, but rather, disability is a characteristic. And in some my point of saying that is, you are a person with a disability because you're light dependent. And, and the reality is, if the lights go out, power goes out, you run to find a smartphone, or a flashlight or a candle or something to keep light. Because mostly, the world has invented technologies to continue to allow you to have light all the time. And so for some of us, that's a catching up, and technology is getting better. But still intellectually, society doesn't accept that. So they don't include, for example, my need for a screen reader software package, as opposed to using a computer monitor like you use, although inclusion ought to be part of the cost of doing business, period.   Rei Gilsdorf  46:14 Okay, so the big picture, I'm fascinated, because what what just came to me when you're talking is, one could think of the desk lamp that I have in my office as an assistive device, it allows him to work past 5pm Yep. Whereas you would not need that assistive device. And and the thing is, none of us thinks of my desk lamp as an assistive device, whereas it is pretty early reader, it is an in in, you know, in the in the kind of historical equity work that I do often. There's this, there's a lot of talk about affirmative action, and who does that benefit and so on. But we don't think back to, you know, the 40 acres and a mule thing that actually, after the Civil War, the idea was that, that the enslaved people who had been freed, were going to get this little land grant so they could start their own farm and do their own work. And then that was actually reversed after a while into that administration. But meanwhile, the what would they call the Sooners and the boomers who like went through Oklahoma and everything they were given, like, more acres, a mule and several sacks of grain, right. So that was affirmative action for white people, white and indentured, you could get that. So there are these things where we don't think of it as affirmative action for the dominant group. But that is how the dominant group got dominant. And then I would say, we also don't think of assistive devices for the dominant group. But that's part of what keeps us dominant.   Michael Hingson  47:57 But the reality is that assistive technology was mostly first invented for the dominant people. Yeah, the dominant, the dominant. I won't say race, because it's different races, but the the dominant force. And what happened as a result is that that occurred, and those who were not classified by the dominant people as part of the dominant group, were left behind. And, and it has become worse, which is very unfortunate. But that is the reality of it that in fact, assistive technology was invented for you, long before it really was invented for me. Now, we can take it the other way. So Apple, for example, has put assistive technology in every one of its devices. If you go buy an iPhone, you can take any iPhone and Acrobat, activate a screen reader called VoiceOver. And it will verbalize whatever is coming up on the screen. Except that they haven't mandated that app developers make sure that they accommodate voiceover necessarily as they're creating their apps. So an app can be accessible one day and not the next, but leave that alone for them. But leave that alone for the moment. What I don't see Apple doing still is saying, you know, we've got this great verbal technology, audio technology, and creating new and better ways for you like dependent people to be able to use it. For example, when you're driving a car, you don't turn on VoiceOver so that it will tell you who's calling. And so you have to still look at the phone to see or you have to look at the phone to answer it. And we as much as we talk about safe driving and all that. We encourage people to look elsewhere other than just the road look at Tesla. Tesla uses touchscreens to control most What goes on in his cars? That means, yeah, you do have copilot, and so on, which in theory work to some degree. But why is it that we discourage people from continuing to look at the road, and not use the other technologies that in reality benefit me, but would also benefit you? And would benefit me more if we did it? Right. So the the Tesla, for example, it's all touchscreen. So I can't turn on the radio, I can't change a radio station. I can't do anything with it, because it's all touchscreen. And we don't we don't accommodate that stuff. We don't recognize the value of things like audio output, and, and using even audio input more, because we still have the dominant group that doesn't recognize that in reality, alternatives might improve their lives as well. Oh, wow.   Rei Gilsdorf  50:51 Yeah. Oh, for sure. For sure. And you know, what you're saying about it being because it's visual, it's, it's distracting. You know, my son has an electric car, not a Tesla. But it is like, it's, it's difficult for me, like I have to set things and adjust them before I start moving in the car, because it's too distracting for me, you know, so interesting.   Michael Hingson  51:14 Yeah. And it would be very easy to make the world much more inclusive for all, but it is a mindset change that we have not developed yet. But we need to have that conversation. And really encourage it because it would make life better. In 2010, the National Federation of the Blind were to get a law passed, called the pedestrian enhancement Safety Act, more and more cars were going hybrid or totally silent or becoming very quiet. So we don't hear that when they're coming down the road a lot of times, yeah. And a law was eventually passed, saying that cars needed to make a noise. Now, they're still working on citing white noise to us 12 years later, which is unfortunate. But leave that alone for the moment. The law didn't really get traction at being passed until NITSA, the National Institute for Highway or transportation, safety and so on, until NITSA, discovered that there were 1.5 times as many accidents that would happen to pedestrians, as a result of encountering a quiet car or hybrid vehicle, then would be encountering just a regular internal combustion engine. So when they discovered that other people, then people who happen to be blind, also were affected by my cars, then people's attitude started to change. You know, we're still not dealing with the inclusive mindset. And we need to well, you started your company. And so what exactly do you do today?   Rei Gilsdorf  53:05 Well, I do a couple of things I do, what I call equity audits, I'm beginning to to switch that name around to cultural ways of being audits. Because there are, you know, 18, different things that people do that are called equity audit, like sometimes it has to do with going in, and having focus groups of people of color and seeing what's working, what's not working. And so what that when I hear that I refer to that as a functional audit, like what is going on what's working, what's not working. And what I do is more structural, and it has to do with really looking at those, you know, hiring documents, policy manuals, I and I've done audits for, you know, churches and, like larger Diocese of churches. I did one, I've done a couple that have to do with what's the route to becoming a clergy member? And how is that like? What's the application? What's the selection process? What are the criteria, because if your organization was founded by people in the dominant, the, you know, the words are going to express that and they're going to express it in a way that is, you know, it's it's hidden in plain sight. It's just absolutely hidden in plain sight. So one of the one of the main ones, boy, let me back up and say, What I love about this approach is, you know, where I used to work, they would just come in, and they would do a seminar that was about, you know, Equity and Diversity, right? And it's very easy for people to launch that into the abstract realm and not bring it down to earth, right, like, oh, well, theoretically, that could happen. But surely we don't do that. Like I don't, you know, and so it's really lovely to come back with a report that says, Here are these things things that are in your documents. And can you see why, then when you go to hire someone who is different on any axis, that there's this conversation among the hiring committee afterwards, and they say, you know, what, just don't know if they're a good fit. And they're not a good fit. You know, your your your hiring document hasn't captured. You know, what, what do you hope to gain from this more inclusive atmosphere that's more inclusive, higher? And if all you can say is, well, we want more people who are different than you need to think more about, like, what are the unique perspectives that people could be bringing to you, and you write those into the job description, and then magically guess what more different kinds of people apply? And they answer the questions in such a way that shows what they have to offer. And at the end, the conversation is not about like, Hmm, they don't quite fit. It's like, wow, they've got some perspectives we really need. Right? So. So anyway, one of one of the things that comes up often is this idea of professionalism. Word, you know, I'm not advocating that we go away from being professional. And you know, each profession has some standards, they need to do tap, right. But if you don't define it, then it falls back to what is the dominant group do? Right, and, and all the other things are considered unprofessional. And so one of my favorite things that I love to do is if I'm talking, for instance, to a white group, I say, what was the consequence in your childhood home for showing up to supper late? Or? Another way to think of that is, what was the vibe in your house when you had to get the whole family bundled into the car at the same time to go somewhere to be at a place on time? And, you know, I don't know, Mike, what was what was it? What consequences in your house for showing up late to dinner was that a bad thing   Michael Hingson  57:05 was a bad thing, unless unless you had let mom and or dad know in advance, then there was a reason for it, which is a different animal. But if you just showed up late, or even getting everyone in the car, well, there were only four of us mom, dad, brother in me. So it was pretty easy, because we had afford our cars. Everybody had their own door, but But still, there were expectations that you you abide by rules, and the rules could change. And the rules were created to accommodate everyone. And I think that's part of the issue is that when you're making rules, if you have rules that don't work for some people, then that's a different animal to   Rei Gilsdorf  57:54 write well, and then the other piece is, over time, we attach values. So Punctuality is a good thing. When I go to the doctor, I like that, you know, they haven't slipped me down 18th in line when I had an appointment, right. But I'm sure you have been in a meeting, because I think we all have where somebody said, we're going to respect everyone by starting and ending on time, right. And of course, like today, you and I have an appointment, we're going to try and start it in on time. But if one of us had to leave, because there was a family emergency, you know, if you had to run out of the room right now, I wouldn't feel disrespected. You know, I don't have to feel this perspective. That's just a story, a cultural story that's been told. And another story to just like, tie this one up in a bow is that I recently had a hip surgery. And I was in the hospital. And one of my excellent nurses was this black woman who was an African immigrant. And she, you know, she was very charming and hospitable. And trying to get my mind off of the pain and all that stuff. She would chat me up and everything. She asked me what I did. And so I was telling her about this. And I asked her, like, what's the consequence in your child at home, growing up for not getting to supper on time, and she was like, she couldn't get her head around the idea that there would be a consequence for that. She was like, What are you kidding? It's like where, you know, our value is hospitality. And whenever you show up, we're going to try to show you the most hospitality. We grew up in a different culture. And it's not that they don't have values, it's that they're pulling out a different thing to value more highly than the actual punctuality. Right. So, so, you know, I had to appreciate that. And the other thing that I love about this story is and karma I appreciated that she was punctual in checking in on me to see if my payments had worn off or not right, so that she can help me man Just paying by not letting it get like way too bad and having to take an extra dose and all that sort of thing. So the reason I'm saying that is that often, you know, time is a great example, because we all have some experience with time. But what will happen if people don't want to understand this, and I honestly think it's a willful thing, they'll say, your thing that black people can't tell pride. And I'm not saying that at all, I'm saying that there are different tools to have in our arsenal in our tool belts. And one of them is when to be sticking to the agenda and getting people through, through so that we can leave here on time, and when to like, bend the agenda to attend to somebody's needs, and when to just straight up, be hospitable and say, hey, it's a party show up when you need to, you know, so all of those are possibilities. And it's about becoming aware of what the water that you and your fish are swimming it.   Michael Hingson  1:00:55 And that's exactly the point is that there is something to be said for all of those things. And there is something to be said for if someone is late, before you condemn, understand. And that is just something that we don't see nearly as often as we should, which brings up the point of there are so many people today who are afraid, afraid of saying the wrong thing, you know, and how do you deal with that? Because what really is the wrong thing. And I think that we can define and we do define the wrong thing, if you will, in terms of like how we deal with people who are different than us and so on. But we also don't really know how to deal with that. Yes.   Rei Gilsdorf  1:01:36 So so there's this, there's a there's a whole lot about this. Because there's, you know, am I overhearing someone say the right thing, did somebody say the wrong thing to me, and I say the wrong thing and realize it when it was halfway up my mouth, but I couldn't call it back. Right? So let's start with that one, because that's the easiest one to me is, you know, if you're just genuine and say, oh, that didn't come out at all, like I wanted it to, I'm so sorry. And can we talk about how that landed on you? And just own it, you know, because things come out of our mouth, right. And I think most people understand when you do that. So again, just like at being honest with it. I am a big follower of a woman named Loretta Ross, who is all about what she calls calling in, instead of calling out and her whole thing is, you know, you need to admit that other people's interior lives could be as complicated as yours. Right? So if somebody has said something, you know, who knows what was going on in their mind, we, a lot of times we make an assumption, we jumped to a conclusion about like, oh, my gosh, how mean they're being or how racist or biased or whatever it is. And, you know, her idea is, first of all, if it's happening online, you need to take it offline, you need to have a private conversation, because a conversation about something that has harmed someone or, you know, really touched a nerve that does not benefit from having an audience, you know, that just doesn't. So taking it offline, talking about it, and listening to the other person to see like, what did you mean, when you said this thing? What did you mean? Like, because that is the thing that we don't know, like, we might, you know, we might assume, and sometimes they really did mean to be mean.   Michael Hingson  1:03:40 Always that,   Rei Gilsdorf  1:03:41 there's always that. And if that's the case, you can do what's called calling it off, which means you say, wow, you know, I'm starting to get kind of upset in this conversation. And I feel like I'm not very grounded. And so I'm gonna end this conversation, and then it's up to you whether you want to come back to me like if it's a relative of yours that you care about, maybe you come back when you're both cooler, right? If it's a random person who was trolling you online, that you just just block them, block them and move on.   Michael Hingson  1:04:13 Or if you're somebody who may be a stranger or not a friend, but you decide, well, maybe I handled that wrong, or whatever. And it wasn't intended to be mean, but it's not either, or the first two things you described, then you figure out a way to go back and deal with it.   Rei Gilsdorf  1:04:30 Yes, exactly. And there's even another possibility that there's a woman named Sonya, Renee Taylor that has has suggested is that like, if you're just too exhausted by the situation, and you don't use it, you're gonna call someone in. That's probably even a series of conversations. Just take them some investment of your time and emotional energy. But you could also say, you know, Michael, I have heard many of your podcasts and You are such a compassionate human being. And that just doesn't square with that last thing that you said whatever it was. And I would just like you to think about that.   Michael Hingson  1:05:12 And help me understand it, or help me understand. Right?   Rei Gilsdorf  1:05:15 I would just like, yeah. So so you can put the work on the other person as well. You know, and that's   Michael Hingson  1:05:21 fine. If you do it in a constructive way, that should always be a reasonable thing to do.   Rei Gilsdorf  1:05:30 Yes, yes, absolutely. And then the only other thing is, if you're, for instance, a university presidents, like someone with a significant amount of power, and a group of students is protesting a thing, and they've called you out. One of the things that Loretta Ross says about that is, you have just gotten 1000s of dollars worth of consulting feedback for free. So the thing again, is to Job, listen, ask, engage, understand what they're trying to tell you. Because a, an actual call out from a group of people who really are less powerful like that. That is them saying Ouch, in the only way they can get it to register. And so if you can find another way to listen, that doesn't have to be so dramatic. And if you're actually willing to make some kind of change, then then often that's the way to defuse the situation. But again, it's leaning into it, you know, and it's valuing the other person's experience and what they're telling you.   Michael Hingson  1:06:41 Yes, absolutely. And it gets back to the gift that you just said, but those are very important. If and, yes, we all need to be more open, positive intentions aren't enough. It's the actions that come outside of the positive intentions, you can say, well, I really did want to do that. But what do you really do? And the positive intentions don't mean a thing, unless you add more substance behind them? Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Which is extremely important. And we should do? Well, I have to tell you, this has been fun. And we went over our hour, but I'm not complaining. It was fun to do. But, you know, we've got to let you go get ready for dinner. It's getting closer to five o'clock there. And it'll be five o'clock soon enough. And then you can go off and decide if you're going to drink alone or with someone. Or whatever.   Rei Gilsdorf  1:07:38 Yeah, thank you so much, Michael, this has been great. How do people   Michael Hingson  1:07:42 reach out to you and learn about your

Do you want to empower Native youth through increased representation of Native literature? If so, I have the solution for you. As an expert in Native representation in media and literature, I can share with you the importance of including Native voices and perspectives in educational materials. By doing so, we can provide Native youth with positive role models and a sense of cultural identity, ultimately empowering them to succeed. Let's work together to ensure that Native youth see themselves reflected in the media and literature they consume. Together, we can achieve greater cultural representation and empowerment for Native communities. In this episode, you will be able to: Discover the significance of Native representation in various forms of media and literature. Learn about Alfreda's inspiring journey as an author and illustrator of culturally-rich children's books. Uncover how storytelling can empower Native American youth and foster self-esteem. Explore the reasons behind banning Native American stories and the necessity of teaching darker historical events. Envision building a unique bookshop devoted to showcasing Native American authors and artists. Introducing Alfreda Algeo, an enrolled citizen of the OSTET Sakawin Cool Wicasa Band from Lower Brule, South Dakota. A true artist at heart, Alfreda excels in writing and illustrating children's picture books and teen novels. Her passion lies in using her rich cultural background and oral traditions to inspire and educate young minds. As a staunch advocate for Native representation in media and literature, Alfreda aspires to create a world where Native American youth feel empowered and included in the stories they read and see. The key moments in this episode are: 00:00:00 - Introduction, 00:02:42 - Background and Inspiration, 00:06:42 - The Day the Earth Rose Up, 00:09:33 - Father Eagle and Other Stories, 00:14:10 - Banning of Books, 00:18:58 - Native Representation in Film and Media, 00:22:05 - Childhood Influences, 00:26:22 - Overcoming Challenges as a Native American, 00:28:15 - Inspiring Native Youth, 00:29:37 - Conclusion As always leave a review if you enjoyed these stories and follow us on Instagram or visit the webpage of the Wyoming Humanities! Sign up for the podcast newsletter using the QR code of follow this link: http://eepurl.com/igy4fH

This week Simon gets interviewed by an old friend, Dave Algeo, as they chat about lifestyle choices and getting older. This is a joint podcast. Dave asked Simon to be a guest on his show and as it was such an interesting conversation they agreed to share the chat on Simon's podcast too. David Algeo is a Restless Midlifer, searching for answers and adventure. His mission, should you choose to join him, is to seek out ways to get life back on his terms, heading in a more fulfilling direction and enhancing his health in the process. Simon and Dave talk about:   how to maximise midlife and beyond what is deep recovery? Dave's practice of mental filing building up your physical pension, and paying off your loans how to reframe the “diet” word in order to enjoy your food why having a good meal doesn't have to be time-consuming the pros and cons of wearing a sleep tracker how morning daylight helps with your sleep   To find out more about Dave visit these channels: Email - dave@restlessmidlifer.com Web - https://www.midlifereshape.com/ Podcast - https://www.midlifereshape.com/podcast Linked in - https://uk.linkedin.com/in/davidalgeo   Dave's approach to making changes in life, health and direction are rooted in his sprout sweater philosophy. Check out his Crackerjack video HERE to learn more about the basic metaphor. Check out episodes 30 and 31 to learn more about Dave's approach.   Join our SWAT/High Performance Human tribe using this link, with a happiness guarantee! You can watch a brief video about the group by going to our website here, and join our SWAT High Performance Human tribe here. Purchase a copy of my High Performance Human e-book featuring more than 30 top tips on how to upgrade your life. If you would like to help offset the cost of our podcast production, we would be so grateful. Please click here to support the HPH podcast. Thank you! Visit Simon's website for more information about his coaching programmes.  Links to all of Simon's social media channels can be found here.  For any questions please email Beth@TheTriathlonCoach.com.

Kyle and Kevin talk about Jalen Hurts' new deal and the cap wizardry Howie Roseman is performing on the rest of the NFL. We get into the Sixers going up 2-0 on the Nets, Doc Rivers' legendary speech, and how Joel Embiid is handling double teams better than ever. UFC fighter and new Mayor of Kansas City, Bill Algeo, comes on to talk about his awesome heel turn after UFC Kansas City, the Philly MMA scene, if he has to register his hands as weapons, and what's next with one fight left on his contract. Please subscribe to the show ([Apple Podcasts] [Spotify] [Amazon Music] [Google Play] [Stitcher] [iHeartRadio] [RSS]), leave a 5 star review, and follow us on Facebook and Twitter: @CrossingBcast Check out the other shows on the Crossing Broad Podcast Network including: Crossed Up: A Phillies Podcast, Snow the Goalie: A Flyers Podcast, and It's Always Soccer in Philadelphia. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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In this interview with bestselling author of Trust Your Truth Shannon Algeo, we talk about ways of healing self doubt and amplifying our self esteem through the inner work. With the chakra system as a framework, Shannon shares ways of doing the inner work and following your spiritual journey in a way that helps you step more into your authentic self and live an aligned life. https://georgelizos.comNamed one of the "35 Under 35 in Wellness to Watch" by Wanderlust, Shannon Algeo is a celebrated speaker, writer, life coach, Yoga Nidra and meditation teacher. His popular podcast SoulFeed features interviews with iconic cultural and spiritual leaders like Deepak Chopra, Caroline Myss, Marianne Williamson, Danielle LaPorte, and many more. In his coaching practice, Algeo works with clients to heal old patterns of trauma so they can show up in the world with power, presence, and purpose.Shannon is known around the world for his gift of processing his own life experience into words that can be heard or read in service of greater learning, deeper resonance, and profound healing.RESOURCES MENTIONED:Shannon's Website: https://www.shannonalgeo.com/Shannon's Instagram Handle: http://instagram.com/shannon.algeoShannon's Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/shannon.m.algeoFREE GUIDES TO GET YOU STARTED: Energy Protection Guide: https://georgelizos.com/negativeenergyLife Purpose Workbook: https://georgelizos.com/lifepurpose The Ultimate Intuitive Development Starter Kit: https://georgelizos.com/intuitionstarterkitIntuition Mastery Accelerator Guide: https://georgelizos.com/intuitionmasteryScanning For Psychic Attack Guide: https://georgelizos.com/psychicattackCrystals to Manifest Your Best Life: https://georgelizos.com/crystals CONNECT WITH GEORGE:Instagram: www.instagram.com/georgelizosTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@iamgeorgelizosFacebook Group: www.yourspiritualtoolkit.comWebsite: www.georgelizos.comYouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMLcoCVRHZU407OXj24HH8g?sub_confirmation=1 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Meet Jim Ohner, he's a gym owner owned by J'mmzzoner, a sweat demon who wants your sweat! With special guest Robert James Algeo! Check out ghostpartyparty.com! Have a look at all of our movie posters for all of our episodes! Song Credit: DON'T MAKE TERRY WAIT by Dr Sparkles licensed under CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 Artwork by Kelsey Henry and Andrew Santoro Edited, Produced, and Recorded by Andrew Santoro and Kelsey Henry

The gang are on location at the Local Tap in Lansdale as they talk about the Phillies NLCS run, are joined by Bridget Alego, author of "Football Family" and sister, Ronni, as they go into the Philly sports scene. 

EPISODE 194 - Friday Edition 17-year-old Raul Rosas becomes youngest UFC competitor - 2:31 https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2022/9/21/23363942/dwcs-2022-week-9-results-17-year-old-raul-rosas-jr-wins-fight-scores-ufc-contract-mma-news UFC still hasn't sent new offer to Ngannou - 14:49 https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2022/9/20/23362513/ngannou-says-ufc-contract-situation-still-in-limbo-but-is-not-in-a-rush-to-re-sign-mma-news Sonnen thinks Chimaev will leapfrog Usman for title shot - 19:42 https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2022/9/20/23363275/ufc-mma-news-interview-media-youtube-chael-sonnen-leon-edwards-khamzat-chimaev-kamaru-usman-fight Mayweather says he's fighting McGregor in early 2023 - 27:45 https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2022/9/21/23364777/ufc-mma-boxing-news-interview-media-floyd-mayweather-jr-conor-mcgregor-fight-rematch WEEKLY PICKS RECAP - 37:10 Vic: Barriault, Boser, Pyfer, Algeo, Njokuani, Sandhagen, GGG (2-5) Stephie: Hernandez, Boser, Pyfer, Algeo, Njokuani, Song, Canelo (3-4) Mookie: Hernandez, Boser, Pyfer, Algeo, Njokuani, Sandhagen, Canelo (4-3) STANDINGS - 38:45 Mookie: 104-64-3 Stephie: 101-67-3 Victor: 93-75-3 BELLATOR 285 Burnell/Carvalho - 39:15 McCourt/Silva - 41:21 Romero/Manhoef - 43:22 Henderson/Queally - 45:58 Follow Stephie on Twitter @CrooklynMMA, Victor @VicMRodriguez, the Show @levelchangepod, & visit us both @BloodyElbow. 'The Level Change Podcast', is our combat sports themed variety show hosted by Stephie Haynes and Victor Rodriguez. Featuring the news of the week, fight card breakdowns and analysis, a roundup of regional promotions' cards and fights; and whatever else we decide is important enough or entertaining enough to bring to your ears. Here is a summary of the topics discussed, complete with the time stamps for when each interview or special segment begins. As always, we hope you enjoy listening to the show as much as we enjoyed recording it. If you enjoy our variety of shows, please “heart" us here on SC, or "like" & share over or on your BE Presents Podcast platform of choice: * YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/BloodyElbowPresents * Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bloody-elbow-presents/id984162015 * iHeartRadio: www.iheart.com/podcast/269-Blood…Presents-30639274 * Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/55S2dpKYVqndaPTUojkELm?si=oGGPZ4kESkWZigLNnEg1ug * Stitcher: www.stitcher.com/podcast/bloody-e…esents?refid=stp * TuneIn: https://tunein.com/podcasts/Sports--Recreation-Podcasts/Bloody-Elbow-Presents-p1190843/ * OverCast: overcast.fm/itunes984162015/bloody-elbow-presents * Player FM: player.fm/series/bloody-elbow-presents * & Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/b53e5086-2334-497c-82c0-24ddb5e0cfbb/Bloody-Elbow-Presents For previous episodes, check out our playlists on any of our BE Presents channels.

EPISODE 194 - Friday Edition17-year-old Raul Rosas becomes youngest UFC competitor - 2:31https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2022/9/21/23363942/dwcs-2022-week-9-results-17-year-old-raul-rosas-jr-wins-fight-scores-ufc-contract-mma-newsUFC still hasn't sent new offer to Ngannou - 14:49https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2022/9/20/23362513/ngannou-says-ufc-contract-situation-still-in-limbo-but-is-not-in-a-rush-to-re-sign-mma-newsSonnen thinks Chimaev will leapfrog Usman for title shot - 19:42https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2022/9/20/23363275/ufc-mma-news-interview-media-youtube-chael-sonnen-leon-edwards-khamzat-chimaev-kamaru-usman-fightMayweather says he's fighting McGregor in early 2023 - 27:45https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2022/9/21/23364777/ufc-mma-boxing-news-interview-media-floyd-mayweather-jr-conor-mcgregor-fight-rematchWEEKLY PICKS RECAP - 37:10Vic: Barriault, Boser, Pyfer, Algeo, Njokuani, Sandhagen, GGG (2-5)Stephie: Hernandez, Boser, Pyfer, Algeo, Njokuani, Song, Canelo (3-4)Mookie: Hernandez, Boser, Pyfer, Algeo, Njokuani, Sandhagen, Canelo (4-3)STANDINGS - 38:45Mookie: 104-64-3Stephie: 101-67-3Victor: 93-75-3BELLATOR 285Burnell/Carvalho - 39:15McCourt/Silva - 41:21Romero/Manhoef - 43:22Henderson/Queally - 45:58Follow Stephie on Twitter @CrooklynMMA, Victor @VicMRodriguez, the Show @levelchangepod, & visit us both @BloodyElbow.'The Level Change Podcast', is our combat sports themed variety show hosted by Stephie Haynes and Victor Rodriguez. Featuring the news of the week, fight card breakdowns and analysis, a roundup of regional promotions' cards and fights; and whatever else we decide is important enough or entertaining enough to bring to your ears. Here is a summary of the topics discussed, complete with the time stamps for when each interview or special segment begins. As always, we hope you enjoy listening to the show as much as we enjoyed recording it. If you enjoy our variety of shows, please “heart" us here on SC, or "like" & share over or on your BE Presents Podcast platform of choice:* YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/BloodyElbowPresents* Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bloody-elbow-presents/id984162015* iHeartRadio: www.iheart.com/podcast/269-Blood…Presents-30639274* Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/55S2dpKYVqndaPTUojkELm?si=oGGPZ4kESkWZigLNnEg1ug* Stitcher: www.stitcher.com/podcast/bloody-e…esents?refid=stp* TuneIn: https://tunein.com/podcasts/Sports--Recreation-Podcasts/Bloody-Elbow-Presents-p1190843/* OverCast: overcast.fm/itunes984162015/bloody-elbow-presents* Player FM: player.fm/series/bloody-elbow-presents* & Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/b53e5086-2334-497c-82c0-24ddb5e0cfbb/Bloody-Elbow-PresentsFor previous episodes, check out our playlists on any of our BE Presents channels. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit bloodyelbowpodcast.substack.com/subscribe This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit bloodyelbowpodcast.substack.com/subscribe

If we remember UFC Fight Night 210 at all, it'll likely be as a damn bloodbath. Cory Sandhagen got a much-needed win in a men's bantamweight contender bout against Song Yadong, after springing open an early cut that had multiple ringside officials nearly peering into Yadong's brain. There was also a grusome cut in Gregory Rodrigues' comeback win over Chidi Njokuani in the co-main and in his win over Bill Algeo, Andre Fili said his ear so filled up with Algeo's blood that it "felt like I jumped into a swimming pool." So, uh, yeah, nasty. In addition, we reflect on the UFC/WEC career of Jose Aldo and look ahead to Friday night's Bellator event in Dublin. This episode is brought to you in part by NordVPN. Grab your EXCLUSIVE NordVPN Deal by going to nordvpn.com/comain or use the code comain to get one free bonus moth and their exclusive 30-day money back guarantee. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

⬇️⬇️TIME STAMPS BELOW⬇️⬇️⬇️ MMALOTN is back to give you Predictions, Picks, and Bettings Tips on UFC Vegas 60: Sandhagen vs Song. Check out my Patreon where I have plenty of perks such as: Early access to each breakdown Best Bets/Props article Hail Mary Patreon Parlay Discord Channel All Official bets (even when charging the public) PPV Parlay for the Patrons (winnings from this parlay given to a random Patron) $5/month on Patreon @ https://www.patreon.com/mmalotn Dead Lock Podcast YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3AhObCDMITGjPxhx3R6Oow Twitter: https://twitter.com/DeadLockPodcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/deadlockpodcast/ My bets can also be found @ https://www.mmalotn.ca/picks My 3rd party tracked record can be found at: https://betmma.tips/lockofthenight Never take someone's word for how often they hit their bets unless they are 3rd party tracked. It's easy to fool people by just claiming all you do is win. Transparency is key! For those unfamiliar with my Paid picks vs. Free Picks policy, after winning 3 straight events, I switch to paid picks until I hit my next losing event. When they are free picks, I post them on my Patreon as soon as I make the bet. Then I release it to the public the day before the fight on my Twitter account. If you research fights on your own, the Tape Index is a MUST! We take the time out of browsing for fights so you have more time to study. Everything you need to prep for an upcoming card (and every matchup currently announced) is on one page and just a click away. Check it out! Tape Index: https://www.mmaplay365.com/product/tape-index Twitter: https://twitter.com/mmalotn Instagram: https://instagram.com/mmalotn *****PICKS NOT BETS*****DISCLAIMER: though I'm picking these fighters to win each matchup, I may have a bet against them due to value and fights being closer than odds may suggest. Listen to each matchup breakdown to get how I truly feel about it. TIME STAMPS (0:00) Intro (2:40) Weekly betting recap (9:40) Motta vs VanCamp (13:33) Gravely vs Basharat (17:50) Robertson vs Agapova (20:44) Zellhuber vs Ogden (23:51) Lookboonmee vs Gomes (29:46) Ladd vs McMann (34:42) Giles vs Cosce (39:33) Jackson vs Sabatini (48:48) Hernandez vs Barriault (54:38) Boser vs Nascimento (1:02:20) Pyfer vs Amedovski (1:07:57) Fili vs Algeo (1:12:52) Njokuani vs Rodrigues (1:17:32) Sandhagen vs Song (1:25:11) Outro 2022 Prediction Record: 232-143 (62%) 2021 Prediction Record: 305-190 (62%)

00:00- Intro2:00- Ducote v Penne21:45- Grant v Stoltzfus35:00- Jacoby v Jung47:05- Algeo v Burns57:30- Simon v Shore1:06:15- Soriano v Lungiambula

When you say "Go get 'em!" you think that's short for "Go get them," but you're wrong! We look at the fascinating history of some English pronouns. Plus, we look at how Neil Gaiman uses the subjunctive mood in "American Gods" to underscore moments of uncertainty.WHY "'EM" ISN'T SHORT FOR "THEM"Written by Valerie Fridland, a professor of linguistics at the University of Nevada in Reno and the author of a forthcoming book on all the speech habits we love to hate. She is also a language expert for "Psychology Today" where she writes a monthly blog, Language in the Wild. You can find her at valeriefridland.com or on Twitter at @FridlandValerie.ReferencesLópez, Ignacio. 2007. The social status of /h/ in English. "Revista Alicantina de Estudios Ingleses." 157-166. "em, pron." OED Online, Oxford University Press, March 2022, www.oed.com/view/Entry/85779. Accessed 11 April 2022.Algeo, J., Butcher, C. A., & Pyles, T. 2014. "The origins and development of the English language." Boston, Mass.: Wadsworth Cengage Learning.THE SUBJUNCTIVE IN FICTIONWritten by Edwin Battistella, a professor of linguistics and writing at Southern Oregon University in Ashland, where he has served as a dean and as interim provost. He is the author of "Dangerous Crooked Scoundrels: Insulting the President, from Washington to Trump" (OUP, 2020), "Do You Make These Mistakes in English?" (OUP, 2009), "Bad Language" (OUP, 2005), and "The Logic of Markedness" (OUP, 1996).| Subscribe to the newsletter for regular updates.| Watch my LinkedIn Learning writing course.| Peeve Wars card game. | Grammar Girl books. | HOST: Mignon Fogarty| VOICEMAIL: 833-214-GIRL (833-214-4475)| Grammar Girl is part of the Quick and Dirty Tips podcast network.| Theme music by Catherine Rannus at beautifulmusic.co.uk.| Links:https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/podcastshttps://www.quickanddirtytips.com/subscribehttps://www.tiktok.com/@therealgrammargirlhttp://twitter.com/grammargirlhttp://facebook.com/grammargirlhttp://facebook.com/grammargirlhttp://instagram.com/thegrammargirlhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/grammar-girl

If you are a man, father, husband, and business owner you are in the right place.In this podcast, we share Apex tactics on how to build a business built to last. Build the Legacy without sacrificing your health or your family. These lessons are the chess moves. If you want the strategy on how to win the entire game as a KING, not a pawn go to www.manspathtoprosperity.com

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 18.4 million children (1 in 4) live without a biological, step, or adoptive Father in the home. When you zoom out to a global perspective, that number, unfortunately only gets bigger. Researching the statistics and facts about what happens to children that grow up with no father is truly heartbreaking. That's just one of the reasons why today's story is so empowering. Whether you grew up in an unstable home or just had bad cards handed to you early, this conversation will prove that anyone can take their past pains and turn them into a catalyst for success. Welcome back for episode 69 of Warriors Unmasked! Today we are joined by former police officer turned coach and speaker, Dave Algeo! He is on a mission to help others reclaim their spirit of adventure and live big by identifying the small but significant changes anyone can make to transform their lives from the inside out. Listen in as Dave shares how he recognized the “default mode” he was operating from and how growing up with no father made him feel like he was never good enough. In this episode, Dave shares how he identified this limiting belief and the practical steps he took to change the negative narrative in his head that began when he was just a boy. Hit play to hear why we think these practical tips and tricks should be in everyone's mental health toolbox! Dave also shares how his time as a Police officer and being a first responder taught him how to manage stress and anxiety to a high level. These high-pressure days are what made Dave appreciate the importance of self-compassion and why he is passionate about sharing these positive coping tools. You'll also hear how Dave found it in himself to forgive people who hurt him in the past, how he unlocked his passion to serve and protect others, how to rewrite your negative thoughts, and so much more! We hope this episode inspires you as much as it did us. To connect with us or Dave, scroll down to see the links! Always in your corner,  Chuck and Clint More Of What's Inside: How to know if a problem is worth your time Identifying your negative thought patterns How your body remembers the trauma Your parents are just people  Encouragement everyone needs in 2022 The murder case that changed Dave  Life in ​​”The Great Down Under” Finding the bravery to ask for help Re-shape, Re-group, Re-design! And much more! GUEST LINKS: www.restlessmidlifer.com dave@restlessmidlifer.com LINKS: malarchuk.com/book  malarchuk.com  www.thecompassionateconnection.com www.warriorsunmasked.com  Follow us on Instagram Like us on Facebook Subscribe To Our YouTube My Community Contact   Episode Minute By Minute: 0:02 What's Inside's Today's episode 1:29 Thank you to our sponsors 2:22 Get to know Dave: A look into his journey 2:19 What life was like growing up without a Dad 9:45 Learning how to give grace to parents 12:30 Changing your default modes   20:20 The case that changed Dave's life 25:56 When your body remembers the trauma 28:00 When Dave left the police force 36:56 Small but sustainable habit changes 42:10 How to follow Dave's journey 45:36 Tips to overcome the feeling of overwhelm

Hard-working, Introspective, Curious, Algeo Rosario was born and raised in Honolulu, HI to two Ilokano parents. Growing up in Salt Lake, he went to school with a lot of military kids, but was also surrounded with many Filipinos as well. He went to the University of Hawaii at Manoa to study Communications and minored in Ilokano.He currently works as a Digital Content Specialist. Prior to that I was at Ka Leo O Hawaii for 4 years, working as a student journalist for UH Manoa and had a short gig at the Department of Land and Natural Resources working in communications. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/kasamahancollective/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/kasamahancollective/support

⬇️⬇️TIME STAMPS BELOW⬇️⬇️⬇️ MMALOTN is back to give you Predictions, Picks, and Bettings Tips on UFC Vegas 46: Kattar vs Chikadze. Check out my Patreon where I have plenty of perks such as: Early access to each breakdown Best Bets/Props article Hail Mary Patreon Parlay Discord Channel All Official bets (even when charging the public) PPV Parlay for the Patrons (winnings from this parlay given to a random Patron) $5/month on Patreon @ https://www.patreon.com/mmalotn Dead Lock Podcast YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3AhObCDMITGjPxhx3R6Oow Twitter: https://twitter.com/DeadLockPodcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/deadlockpodcast/ My bets can also be found @ https://www.mmalotn.ca/picks My 3rd party tracked record can be found at: https://betmma.tips/lockofthenight Never take someone's word for how often they hit their bets unless they are 3rd party tracked. It's easy to fool people by just claiming all you do is win. Transparency is key! I've secured a deal with Coolbet. They are a Toronto-based bookie that has won a ton of awards due to their sleek/stylish layout and great odds that they offer. Use my promo code "MMALOTN2" under their Bonuses section and get your initial deposit 100% matched up to $200 free roll (6x rollover). For those unfamiliar with my Paid picks vs. Free Picks policy, after winning 3 straight events, I switch to paid picks until I hit my next losing event. When they are free picks, I post them on my Patreon as soon as I make the bet. Then I release it to the public the day before the fight on my Twitter account. If you research fights on your own, the Tape Index is a MUST! We take the time out of browsing for fights so you have more time to study. Everything you need to prep for an upcoming card (and every matchup currently announced) is on one page and just a click away. Check it out! Tape Index: https://www.mmaplay365.com/product/tape-index Twitter: https://twitter.com/mmalotn *****PICKS NOT BETS*****DISCLAIMER: though I'm picking these fighters to win each matchup, I may have a bet against them due to value and fights being closer than odds may suggest. Listen to each matchup breakdown to get how I truly feel about it. (0:00) Intro (2:38) UFC Vegas 45 Betting Recap (6:13) Plugs (7:30) Demopoulos vs Juarez {Juarez} (12:53) Kelleher vs Kakhramonov {Kelleher} (18:05) Bush vs Borshchev {Borshchev} (22:32) Benitez vs Brown {Benitez} (25:49) McGee vs Brahimaj {McGee} (29:29) Pickett vs Holmes {Holmes} (33:23) Algeo vs Brito {Brito} (38:45) Sherman vs Collier {Collier} (42:29) Royval vs Bontorin {Royval} (47:56) Chookagian vs Maia {Chookagian} (51:36) Kattar vs Chikadze {Chikadze} (58:11) Outro 2022 Prediction Record: N/A 2021 Prediction Record: 305-190 (62%)

Tyler Algeo is a Canadian who moved to Africa and started a climbing gym, with the goal of creating a socio-economically inclusive climbing community in Malawi. We talked about learning to climb in Ireland, living in Africa, founding Climb Malawi, adopting and raising his two black sons, Tyler's work with The Climbing Initiative, and creating a better world through climbing.Donate To:safeclimbing.orgclimbmalawi.comclimbinginitiative.orgSupport the Podcast:thenuggetclimbing.com/supportWe are supported by these amazing BIG GIVERS:Bryan Fast, Leo FranchiBecome a Patron:patreon.com/thenuggetclimbingShow Notes:  thenuggetclimbing.com/episodes/tyler-algeoNuggets:5:05 – Living in Cincinnati and growing up in Calgary6:14 – Learning to climb in Ireland9:50 – Working in Ireland10:13 – How Tyler and his wife ended up in Malawi14:24 – Having to return to the States due to Covid, and salary differences between foreign workers and locals in Malawi17:25 – Description of Malawi, the topography, and rock climbing 21:39 – The population of Malawi, and why so many people move there from neighboring African countries24:23 – Day-to-day life in Malawi 27:05 – Having a housekeeper, and the risks of creating an upside-down economy 30:05 – Good intentions gone awry32:58 – Tyler's climbing leading up to Malawi, and building a wall in his backyard 37:21 – The socioeconomic divide in Malawi, and how Climb Malawi was born42:26 – Other artificial climbing in Malawi44:50 – Outgrowing the backyard climbing wall45:35 – Local climbing in Malawi47:24 – The Climb Malawi climbing wall and location description52:44 – Ernest54:29 – Outdoor trips and introducing Malawians to rock climbing55:31 – Memphis Rox as an inspiration, and the Climb Malawi business model1:00:03 – The impact of covid on Climb Malawi, and Malawi itself1:03:17 – Tyler's continued involvement with Climb Malawi1:05:38 – How living in Malawi has shaped Tyler's perspective of what the global climbing community looks like1:09:05 – Ugly entitlement, the game of climbing, and introducing people to climbing with humility1:14:11 – The Chichewa language, and some route names and phrases1:18:47 – Bodie and Moses (Tyler's adopted boys)1:22:42 – Tyler's thoughts on moving to Denver with two black sons, and how to provide them with mentorship1:31:33 – “Try to use your privilege with honor.”1:33:16 – The Climbing Initiative1:49:48 – How listeners can support Climb Malawi and TCI 1:51:45 – Tyler's current climbing, and working on his mental performance and making sport climbing more life-giving1:58:43 – Who's doing the more impressive thing, climbing at your emotional limit, grades, and having a relationship with each route2:03:01 – A better world through climbing2:07:35 – Gratitude for family and his wife

Happy Halloween! What's hotter than the hottest pepper? The hauntest pepper. With special guest Robert Algeo! Check out ghostpartyparty.com! Have a look at all of our movie posters for all of our episodes! Song Credit: DON'T MAKE TERRY WAIT by Dr Sparkles licensed under CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 Artwork by Kelsey Henry and Andrew Santoro Edited, Produced, and Recorded by Andrew Santoro and Kelsey Henry

Named one of the “35 Under 35 in Wellness to Watch” by Wanderlust, Shannon Algeo is a celebrated speaker, writer, life coach, Yoga Nidra and meditation teacher. His popular podcast SoulFeed features interviews with iconic cultural and spiritual leaders like Deepak Chopra, Caroline Myss, Marianne Williamson, Danielle LaPorte, and many more. In his coaching practice, Algeo works with clients to heal old patterns of trauma so they can show up in the world with power, presence, and purpose.Shannon is known around the world for his gift of processing his own life experience into words that can be heard or read in service of greater learning, deeper resonance, and profound healing. In this interview we discuss:Trusting One's IntuitionBlocks to Listening to One's IntuitionThermodynamicsEnergy TransferWhat we are Willing to Let GoAllowing for the Unkown to UnfoldDeath as a DoorwayThe Chakra SystemThe Preciousness of LifeWorking with White-Bodied Individuals EmbodimentTrue NorthSelf-Care/Collective Care You can purchase Shannon's book, Trust Your Truth, and connect with him on his website or on Instagram @shannon.algeoPodcast music by Charles Kurtz+ Read transcript

Naomi Algeo an Occupational Therapist by background, and Irish Research Council Scholar (2018-21) currently completing my doctoral studies in cancer and employment in Ireland, under the School of Medicine at Trinity College Dublin

SERIES: Role of Agriculture   “You do have to bring in some science and some education. But there is something that people who have this generational knowledge can teach.” -Algeo Che Casul    Episode Description:  The majority of wildlands are privately owned. This fact can help us understand the extent of our impact as landowners and as neighbors. In order to see changes, we need to support each other and promote responsible land management practices. This week, we are going back to the past to discover how our ancestors protected their lands from fire.  As a 7th generation landowner in Sonoma, Algeo Che Casul shares practical wisdom on land stewardship passed on to him by his great grandfathers. Jennifer and Che, his middle name but also his moniker, talk about fire mitigation practices such as keeping the land healthy, employing natural grazers, and using prescribed fires to prevent bigger, more destructive fires in the future. Che also shares how he became a resiliency hub for himself, his family, and his neighbors. The greatest inheritance we can give our children is a safer, more sustainable future. Don't miss today's episode! Connect with After The Fire:  Website Facebook Twitter Instagram LinkedIn YouTube Highlights: 03:28 Prescribed Fires 11:48 Education for Land Treatment 16:47 The Grazers Controversy 21:43 Responsible Land Stewardship 25:44 Resiliency Practices 30:37 Priority Checklist 37:18 Fire Forward 42:30 Energy and Equity 45:22 Generational Sustainability

Alex Mitchell chats with Bob Algeo, Assistant Professor at the Minneapolis College and Art and Design, to discuss how COVID-19 has changed comics education in the short term and to share their thoughts on how our recent adventures into remote learning will continue to effect student cartoonists in the future, even when they eventually return to the classroom.

Paul Shaughnessy and Fight Network‘s Cody Saftic make their UFC Vegas 27 Picks. The card goes down Saturday, May 22nd at the UFC Apex in Las Vegas, Nevada. The guys make their UFC picks, give their favorite bets and props for each fight. #UFC #MMAPicks #UFCVegas27 Play in FREE Monkey Knife Fight UFC Contest: https://bit.ly/UFC257MKFFree. Pick both correct and win $12.50. $0 to enter. Go to MKF (https://bit.ly/UFC257MKFFree) using code “DOP” and get matched up to $50 on your first deposit. Join Mayo Media Newsletter: https://mayomedia.substack.com/people/32468255-mayo-media Sub to the Mayo Media Network for Video: https://bit.ly/YTMMN Subscribe to the Dog Or Pass Podcast Feeds Apple: https://apple.co/2EO5trZ Spotify: https://spoti.fi/34EZVLk Stitcher: https://bit.ly/DOPStitcher Google: https://bit.ly/DOPGoogle Pocket Casts: https://pca.st/hkktfrex RSS: https://anchor.fm/s/3352942c/podcast/rss For More UFC Sub To Daily Fantasy Sports Picks & Bets: The Mix Apple: http://bit.ly/DFSMixApple Stitcher: http://bit.ly/DFSStitcher Spotify: http://bit.ly/DFSSpotify Google: http://bit.ly/DFSGoogle SHOW INDEX 00:00 Intro 1:26 Font vs Garbrandt 9:59 Yan vs Esparza 15:33 Tafa vs Vanderaa 25:26 Spencer vs Dumont 33:19 Dvorak vs Paiva 38:07 Hermansson vs Shahbazyan 44:35 Algeo vs Ramos 50:29 Rothwell vs Barnett 1:00:29 McGee vs Silva 1:05:23 Silva vs Rodriguez 1:13:07 Culibao vs Yilan 1:18:32 Hadzovic vs Medeiros 1:23:19 Ismagulov vs Alves 1:33:11 PRP Paul Shaughnessy Twitter: https://twitter.com/PaulShag Cody Saftic Twitter: https://twitter.com/CjSaftic

Connor and Phil ask whether a renewed focus on wrestling is really the thing to beat Bobby Knuckles. That, and... Kevin Holland isn't stylistically vulnerable to wrestlers--he literally doesn't know how to wrestle. We wonder why Drakkar Klose has been a very solid lightweight, but does he have the power and grit to bang it out with Jeremy Stephens? And more!  

Paul Shaughnessy and Fight Network‘s Cody Saftic make their UFC Vegas 24 Picks. The card goes down Saturday, April 17th at the UFC Apex in Las Vegas, Nevada. The guys make their UFC picks, give their favorite bets and props for each fight Movie Club Owning Mahowney: https://twitter.com/ThePME/status/1382138735828082691 Sub to the Mayo Media Network for Video: https://bit.ly/YTMMN Subscribe to Fantasy Baseball Picks and Bets Apple: http://bit.ly/AppleMLB Stitcher: http://bit.ly/MMNMLBStit Spotify: http://bit.ly/MMNMLBSpot Google: http://bit.ly/MMNMLBGoog Subscribe to the NEW Dog Or Pass Podcast Feeds Apple: https://apple.co/2EO5trZ Spotify: https://spoti.fi/34EZVLk Stitcher: https://bit.ly/DOPStitcher Google: https://bit.ly/DOPGoogle Pocket Casts: https://pca.st/hkktfrex RSS: https://anchor.fm/s/3352942c/podcast/rss #UFC #MMAPicks #UFCVegas24 Sub To Daily Fantasy Sports Picks & Bets: The Mix Apple: http://bit.ly/DFSMixApple Stitcher: http://bit.ly/DFSStitcher Spotify: http://bit.ly/DFSSpotify Google: http://bit.ly/DFSGoogle SHOW INDEX 00:00 Intro 03:20 Whittaker vs Gastelum 11:31 Stephens vs Klose 16:30 Pena vs Munoz 23:30 Algeo vs Ramos (Cancelled) 28:44 Alhassan vs Malkoun 35:32 Arlovski vs Sherman 41:20 Fabinski vs Meerschaert 51:00 Cortez vs Kish 56:36 Romanov vs Espino 1:07:29 Gravely vs Birchak 1:14:30 Nunes vs Fairn 1:22:00 Godinez vs Penne 1:30:00 Hubbard vs Bush 1:37:30 PRP Paul Shaughnessy Twitter: https://twitter.com/PaulShag Cody Saftic Twitter: https://twitter.com/CjSaftic

Today is lit y'all. Named one of the “35 Under 35 in Wellness to Watch” by Wanderlust, Shannon Algeo is a celebrated speaker, writer, life coach, Yoga Nidra and meditation teacher. His popular podcast SoulFeed features interviews with iconic cultural and spiritual leaders like Deepak Chopra, Caroline Myss, Marianne Williamson, Danielle LaPorte, and many more. In his coaching practice, Algeo works with clients to heal old patterns of trauma so they can show up in the world with power, presence, and purpose.Shannon is known around the world for his gift of processing his own life experience into words that can be heard or read in service of greater learning, deeper resonance, and profound healing. Shannon was rated as one of the “nicest instructors in New York City” by RateYourBurn for his work as a yoga and meditation teacher, and he leads meditation programs for companies like the global non-profit (RED) founded by Bono and The Museum of Contemporary Art. In addition to giving presentations for Lululemon and the Wanderlust Festival, Algeo was a featured guest speaker at the United Nations “Yoga and the UN Culture of Peace” event. He is now pursuing an M.A. in Counseling Psychology from Pacifica Graduate Institute.www.trustyourtruthbook.com We talk about:How did you learn to listen to, and trust, your gut intuition?Why do we have to sometimes betray ourselves in order to find our truth?What happens when we are triggered and how do we come back to our center?What is sacred rage and what have you learned from your rage?How do we find our truth... What People are Saying: “Shannon Algeo inquires deeply into the questions that confront all of us now. Like a guide through a very dense forest, he paves a path and sheds light on where we need to walk. His hand is steady, his words encouraging, and the path he creates always moving in the direction of our spiritual truth.”—Marianne Williamson, author of A Return to Love and A Politics of Love“Honest, earnest, brave, and liberating, Shannon’s practices and illuminating narratives in Trust Your Truth will guide you home to yourself.”—Elena Brower, best-selling author of Practice You“Shannon is a gifted and authentic teacher. He bravely shares the truth of his life lessons and the practices that helped him find clarity, build resilience, and thrive. I highly recommend this book to anyone who seeks to live a fulfilling and abundant life that is aligned with purpose.”—Tracee Stanley, yoga teacher, and author of Radiant Rest and The Empowered Life Self- Inquiry Oracle Deck“Trust Your Truth is an intimate, well-organized, and thought-provoking spiritual road map that provides embodied tools for healing past trauma, and soulful insights that lead to greater self-confidence. Shannon Algeo’s relatable and honest storytelling sets the tone for personal inquiry, and his explanation of the body’s energy system (chakras)—and the questions and practices he offers for self-exploration—are intriguing and accessible. Trust Your Truth is a meaningful companion for anyone on the path toward healing, awakening, and purpose.”—Seane Corn, yoga teacher; cofounder of Off the Mat, Into the World; and author of Revolution of the Soul See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

When you trust your truth, your whole life awakens. Today's episode is a powerful conversation with Shannon Algeo about trust, truth, and our inner knowing. Shannon has been named one of the “35 Under 35 in Wellness to Watch” by Wanderlust, and is a celebrated speaker, writer, life coach, Yoga Nidra and meditation teacher. His popular podcast SoulFeed features interviews with iconic cultural and spiritual leaders like Deepak Chopra, Caroline Myss, Marianne Williamson, Danielle LaPorte, and many more. In his coaching practice, Algeo works with clients to heal old patterns of trauma so they can show up in the world with power, presence, and purpose. Shannon is known around the world for his gift of processing his own life experience into words that can be heard or read in service of greater learning, deeper resonance, and profound healing. Shannon was rated as one of the “nicest instructors in New York City” by RateYourBurn for his work as a yoga and meditation teacher, and he leads meditation programs for companies like the global non-profit (RED) founded by Bono and The Museum of Contemporary Art. In addition to giving presentations for Lululemon and the Wanderlust Festival, Algeo was a featured guest speaker at the United Nations “Yoga and the UN Culture of Peace” event. He is now pursuing an M.A. in Counseling Psychology from Pacifica Graduate Institute. Connect with Shannon: www.trustyourtruthbook.com www.shannonalgeo.com www.soulumination.com Instagram: @shannon.algeo Inside the episode: The power of trusting your inner knowing & intuition. The journey of learning to hear and trust in ourselves while reclaiming our power. How stepping into your truth realigns your whole life. The healing experience of embodiment, which gets us to embodied truth. And, so much more! Mentioned in this episode: We're giving away copies of Shannon's new book, Trust Your Truth. To enter to win, take a screenshot of you listening to this episode and tag us on Instagram (@shannon.algeo, @emilyperry.co, @rockyourpurpose). Entries close on March 1, 2021. Magnetic, my soul business accelerator for heart-centered entrepreneurs is now enrolling. If you're ready to magnetize you and your heart-led business.... this is for you. Learn more at emilyperry.com/magnetic (doors close soon). Thank you for listening! xo

Shannon Algeo is a celebrated speaker, writer and life coach.  In this episode he speaks openly and truthfully about his journey to spiritual growth and his first book Trust your truth.  You can also  hear him on his popular Podcast SoulFeed There is so much to learn and to takeaway from this episode, it's full of good feelings and hope. More about Shannon here: https://www.shannonalgeo.com Buy Shannon's Book "Trust Your Truth" here on Amazon: https://tinyurl.com/2w03o64p Find out more about Zen Me Coaching here: https://www.zenme.tv/ Follow me on Instagram here: @camilladallerup   About Shannon: Named one of the “35 Under 35 in Wellness to Watch” by Wanderlust, Shannon Algeo is a celebrated speaker, writer, life coach, Yoga Nidra and meditation teacher. His popular podcast SoulFeed features interviews with iconic cultural and spiritual leaders like Deepak Chopra, Caroline Myss, Marianne Williamson, Danielle LaPorte, and many more. In his coaching practice, Algeo works with clients to heal old patterns of trauma so they can show up in the world with power, presence, and purpose.  Shannon is known around the world for his gift of processing his own life experience into words that can be heard or read in service of greater learning, deeper resonance, and profound healing.    

Today I was joined by my friend, Pat who shared her experience with Breast Cancer and stresses the importance of mammograms for early detection!!

We talk with noted author Matthew Algeo about his book, "The President is a Sick Man: Wherein the Supposedly Virtuous Grover Cleveland Survives A Secret Surgery At Sea and Villifies The Courageous Newspaperman Who Dared Expose the Truth." In what has to be considered one of the biggest scandals in presidential history, Grover Cleveland and a batch of physicians stole away from the White House and boarded a yacht, where the president then endured a surgery to remove cancer from the roof of his mouth. The cigar-chomping, former Buffalo pub-hound then ordered the surgery hidden from the public to protect his political standing. His aides then blackballed a reporter who broke the story, only to admit he was right years later. Algeo explains why it's always important for the public to be kept abreast of the president's health, and why aggressive journalism has never been more important.Algeo's website can be found at malgeo.netHe is available on twitter at twitter.com/malgeoWe do want to invite listeners to our Patreon page, to ask for your support in keeping the show going, which is www.patreon.com/axelbankhistoryAxelbank Reports History and Today can be found on social media at www.twitter.com/axelbankhistorywww.instagram.com/axelbankhistorywww.facebook.com/axelbankhistory

Dave Algeo is a trainer, speaker and online coach. He supports organisations in achieving ‘success with wellbeing’. In other words, developing resilience, engaged and high performing people, leader and teams. In this episode we talk about what the 4 engines are that drive, recharged you and increased your resilience and how to keep them running. To discover more go to https://www.stressedguru.com/

On this episode I interview Dave Algeo who talks amongst other things about being stressed out and the damage of the 'shut the f*ck up type of attitude' when it comes to mental health. On work-life balance Dave says; "I like the perfect imbalance idea. I remember when work-life balance became a thing. I get it but the world of life is far more complex." Dave spent a number of years working in the police force before setting up his own business in 2006 in the world of learning and development. His focus tends to be in the space of resilience and mental health and helping those feeling stressed out. Host of Man Sprouts the podcast, Dave can often be seen and heard talking about vegetables! For those that remember Crackerjack, the losing contestants would often be saddled with cabbages! Having gone through his own stress and fallen into arrears with his mortgage at Northern Rock; he's some how been able to use his own experience to positive effect. He loves to learn and loves to turn this into learning and teaching for others; making a difference in the long term not just in the moment. If you enjoyed the interview with Dave then please do start a conversation with him on; Twitter Instagram LinkedIn Facebook YouTube You can also find more details on their website If you liked this episode then please do leave the show a rating and review on iTunes or the platform that you use to listen to podcasts. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/perfectimbalance4/message

What made Dave decide to teach, train and coach people to deal with stress better (5:20) Is there a healthy level of stress? (7.48) Cabbages and the impact they have on our stress (9.50) What is the key to dealing with emotional strain? (14.27) After discovering you are nor coping with stress well, what can you do to fix this?(17.55) Resources https://successunlocked.com/resources (Success Unlocked Resources) https://www.stressedguru.com/ (Dave Algeo's Website)

It’s time for another of our infamous and patented Care/Don’t Care Podcasts, with your talent: Eugene S. Robinson, John S. Nash & Stephie Haynes. Sign up for ESPN+ and watch UFC VEGAS 9: ‘OVEREEM VS. SAKAI’ - #UFCAPEX — SEPT. 5th., 2020 at: http://go.web.plus.espn.com/c/482924/566982/9070?sharedid=BloodyElbow UFC VEGAS 8 REVIEW - AT: 1:06 At 5:08 - Rakić (13-2) DEF. Smith (33-16) - DEC, Unanimous At 13:00 - Magny (24-7) DEF. Lawler (28-15) - DEC, Unanimous At 18:41 - Grasso (12-3) DEF. Kim (9-3) - DEC, Unanimous At 27:22 - Lamas (20-8) DEF. Algeo (13-5) - DEC, Unanimous At 2:02 - Ankalaev (13-1) vs. Cutelaba (15-5) Bout Cancelled (Cutelaba tested postitive for COVID-19 again) FOTN: ($50K ea.) Ricardo Lamas vs. Bill Algeo POTN ($50K ea.) 1. Mallory Martin 2. Sean Brady PRELIMS At 22:27 - Kasanganay (8-0) DEF. Pitolo (13-7) - DEC, Unanimous At 24:06 - Cummings MMA (24-7) DEF. Di Chirico (12-5) - DEC, Unanimous At 24:33 - Caceres (17-12) DEF. Springer (12-4) - SUB, Rear Naked Choke at 3:38 of Rd 1 At 26:22 - Brady (13-0) DEF. Aguilera (14-7) - SUB, Guillotine Choke at 1:47 of Rd 2, Total 6:47 At 25:18 - Viana (11-4) DEF. Whitmire (4-4) - SUB, Armbar at 1:53 of Rd 1 At 25:32 - Martin (7-3) DEF. Cifers (10-7) - SUB, Rear Naked Choke at 1:33 of Rd 2, Total 6:33 Caceres (9-1) vs. Kevin Croom (7-2) Bout ‘Fizzled’ (due to Croom being cut from the UFC 24hrs after signing fight contract) _____________________________________ UFC VEGAS 9 PREVIEW - AT 27:35 At this point in the show we offer you our ‘disclaimer’ and then our duo will go about predicting the UFC VEGAS 9 bout sheet, leading their way up to our Co-Main Event, and wrapping up the C/DC quick-picks portion of the show with the Main Event. This UFC on ESPN PPV event will take place from the UFC APEX Fight Center in Las Vegas, Nevada, on this Saturday night. Here’s a look at the upcoming fight card & records, bout order subject to change... UFC VEGAS 9: ‘OVEREEM VS. SAKAI & OSP VS. MENIFIELD’ MAIN CARD | SAT. SEP 5 - 8PM/5PM ETPT 265lbs - AlistairOvereem (46-18) vs. Augusto Sakai (15-1) - At 45:45 205lbs - Ovince St Preux (24-14) vs. Alonzo Menifield MMA (9-1) - At 41:36 135 lbs - Sijara SarJ Eubanks (5-4) vs. Karol Rosa (13-3) - At 29:34 (Bout order moved after the show) 170lbs - Michel ''Demolidor'' Pereira (23-11) vs. #ZelimImadaevMMA (8-2) - At 40:10 155lbs - Thiago Moisés (13-4) vs. Jalin Turner (9-5) - At 38:44 (Bout order moved after the show) PRELIMS | 3PM/12PM ETPT 185lbs - Bartosz "The Butcher" Fabiński (15-3) vs. ANDRÉ MUNIZ (19-4) - At 39:27 (Bout order moved after the show) 125lbs - Montana De La Rosa (11-5) vs. Viviane Araújo (8-2) - At 32:56 (Bout order moved after the show) 265lbs - Marcos Rogério de Lima (17-6) vs. #AlexanderRomanovMMA (11-0) - At 31:32 (Bout order moved after the show) 135lbs - #ColeSmithMMA (7-1) vs. #HunterAzureMMA (8-1) - At 34:00 (Bout order moved after the show) 145lbs - Brian "Boom" Kelleher (21-11) vs. Kevin "Quicksand" Natividad (9-1) - Bout added after the show wrapped, but not finalized yet Be sure to follow Eugene on twitter @EugeneSRobinson, catch John on twitter @Heynottheface and on The Show Money Podcast, and of course you can catch Stephie @CrooklynMMA, and twice a week she’s on @MookieNCrookie AND @LevelChangePod. If you enjoyed our show, give us a "heart" here on SC, or give us a “like”, share & subscribe over on one of our other BE Presents Channels: YouTube, iTunes & Apple TV, iHeartRadio, Stitcher, Spotify, Google Play, TuneIn, OverCast, or Player FM– whichever one happens to be your listening platform of choice. While you’re there, don’t forget to subscribe to Bloody Elbow Presents; that way you’ll always be the first to get all of BE’s daily MMA offerings. For previous episodes of the show, check out our playlists on all of our BE Presents channels.

Molly (Shannon’s sister!) is an event photographer, child whisperer, dog lover, and soul seeker currently living in Brooklyn, New York. Molly's mental health has been a priority for her over the last several years as she has navigated grief from loss, anxiety, and stress. The personal strides she has made in practicing self-validation, boundaries, and communication are an inspiration to everyone who knows her.   In this episode: Molly’s mental health journey What Molly learned from one of the lowest points in her life The lessons she learned from losing her best friend Mike in college How our family has processed internal dynamics of trauma Show notes: https://www.shannonalgeo.com/podcast/molly-algeo   This new season is a space for you to receive mental health nourishment and tools during this time. Join SoulFeed LIVE’s next recording: Wednesday @ 5pm Pacific / 8pm Eastern via Zoom: www.soulumination.com/live

Stress and wellbeing expert Dave Algeo discusses the ROI of a wellbeing strategy, a manager's role in employee wellbeing and data and statistics for a establishing wellbeing as part of an employee engagement strategy.

Healthy habits and discipline get you results, but at a cost! PWR athlete, Rob Algeo, joins me to discuss his preparation for his FIRST physique competition and much more! Diet is the MOST important factor when obtaining your fitness goal - not the training part. 1:05 - Becoming a sponsored athlete 2:45 - Why do YOU workout? ***4:36 - DIET IS KEY 6:00 – Competition? 6:55 - Specific diet + Meal preparation 8:25 - Why put yourself through this? (to win , duh) 9:52 - Practicing great habits 12:30 - Hardest part of it all…

In this episode we talk with Matthew Algeo - a journalist based in Sarajevo - about his book "All This Marvelous Potential: Robert Kennedy’s 1968 Tour of Appalachia" which was published in March 2020. Algeo talks about why he wanted to tell this story, what he learned about Appalachia as a researcher from Philadelphia, and he talks about some of the folks in eastern Kentucky he got to interview about their memories of RFK’s visit in 1968.

SUMMARY Award- winning journalist and six-time author Matthew Algeo brings us Harry Truman's Excellent Adventure: The True Story of a Great American Road Trip. By retracing the Trumans’ 2500-mile journey from Independence, Missouri to the East Coast and back again, Algeo captures the ordinariness of an extraordinary former U.S. President and his wife Bess. Although the Trumans could not reasonably travel incognito, as they had planned, they travel on a tight budget, staying in simple hotels and eating at everyday diners along the way. Truman, our last citizen-president, uses his road trip to visit old friends as well as to capitalize on the chance to secure a retirement pension for himself and future ex-presidents. He also becomes “the first ex-president to engage in partisan politics in the age of modern mass media.” Harry Truman's Excellent Adventure is a great read-aloud for families who want to understand 1950s American history and all its tangents and contradictions. LITTLE-KNOWN FACTS With only a high-school diploma, he’s the last American president to not attend college. When Truman leaves the White House in 1953, he has no plan for the rest of his life and his only income is a small army pension of $111.96/month. Truman, a “road scholar,” campaigns vigorously to improve the U.S. transportation system. Truman loves driving (fast), but he gets rusty in while in the White House. In spite of getting many lucrative offers, Truman refuses to “commercialize” the presidency or “exploit or trivialize the office in any way.” The Trumans travel without Secret Service protection. In the early 1950s, no two hotels and motels are alike, and even finding one could be difficult when road-tripping. Cold-War fear and carefree optimism co-exist in the 1950s. Truman, in all practical terms, invents the modern press conference. QUOTES FROM ALGEO “Harry Truman was the last president to leave the White House and return to something resembling a normal life.” “Harry and Bess Truman’s road trip…marked the end of an era: never again would a former president and the first lady mingle so casually with their fellow citizens.” “The [road] trip was…part of his effort to make the transition…from Mr. President to Mr. Citizen.” “[In Truman’s day,] you worked until you couldn’t work anymore, in which case your family, probably large, provided for you. Or you worked until you died. No gold watches, no pensions, no Social Security.” BUY Harry Truman's Excellent Adventure: The True Story of a Great American Road Trip RECOMMENDATIONS BUY "Truman" by David McCullough (Hardcover, 1992 Edition) BUY All This Marvelous Potential: Robert Kennedy's 1968 Tour of Appalachia by Matthew Algeo  Connect with us! Facebook Instagram Twitter YouTube Website Special thanks… Music Credit Sound Editing Credit  

Healthy habits and discipline get you results, but at a cost! PWR athlete, Rob Algeo, joins me to discuss his preparation for his FIRST physique competition and much more! ⁣ Diet is the MOST important factor when obtaining your fitness goal - not the training part.⁣ ⁣ 1:05 - Becoming a sponsored athlete

Shannon Algeo is a yoga and meditation teacher, as well as life coach and motivational speaker. He's been named one of the top '35 Under 35 in Wellness to Watch' by Wanderlust, and hosts the incredible Soulfeed Podcast.  You know how the term "motivational speaker" gets thrown around these days, without any real meaning? When I met Shannon and attended his yoga nidra workshop at IGNTD Glow last October, I knew that he was the REAL DEAL.  I am so excited to be able to share Shannon's wisdom with you- I had an absolute blast recording this episode. Originally, we were going to be speaking about manifestation, and we did that, but we had this amazing wide-reaching conversation.  We talked about Shannon's own journey, and how he has been working through the feelings of self doubt. Another important topic was about what is happening in the world at the moment, and how we need to come together as a community for the greater good of the world - and our future. Also,  listen up for one of the best analogies I've ever heard for what the experience of going deep into our soul, and learning more about ourselves, feels like.     Honorable Mentions (if you can't access these links, try using the Apple Podcasts or Overcast apps) Shannon Algeo's website Shannon on Instagram: @shannon.algeo Soulfeed on Facebook The Soulfeed podcast Shannon's beautiful interview with Rha Goddess (including how we come to a place of feeling comfortable with earning money through service to others) Soulumination Meditation Membership Soulumination Career Manifestation Course Eckhart Tolle's book: 'A New Earth: Awakening to Your Life's Purpose'     WAW Workbook on Self-Talk- FREE!   WAW Workbook on Building Rituals - FREE! Instagram: @wildeaboutwellbeing Pinterest: @wildeaboutwellbeing Wilde About Wellbeing website

Penny & Sparrow is a folk music duo from Austin, TX. On their tour through Louisville, Andy Baxter and Kyle Jahnke, the talented guys behind the band, stopped by for a few bourbon pours. We talk about life on the road, their musical creation process, and how their fans give them bourbon at shows. You can catch their latest album, Finch, wherever you stream your music. Show Partners: * Barrell Craft Spirits is always trying to push the envelope of blending whiskey in America. Learn more at BarrellBourbon.com. * Receive $25 off your first order at RackHouse Whiskey Club with code "Pursuit". Visit RackhouseWhiskeyClub.com. * Distillery 291 is an award winning, small batch whiskey distillery located in Colorado Springs, Colorado. Learn more at Distillery291.com. Show Notes: * Pappy Map retires: http://bourbonr.com/blog/pappy-van-winkle-release-map-retires/ * This week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about the holidays. * How did you all get into music and start the band? * Where does your inspiration come from? * What is your craziest moment with a fan? * How did you get into bourbon hunting? * What bourbon got you hooked? * How does the band work when you live in different states? * Who is the messy one? * What's it like on the road? * What do you listen to on the road? * Have you been on the Bourbon Trail? * Where do you go when bourbon hunting? * Do you ever get free bourbon? * How did fans discover your were into bourbon? * What does it mean to you when someone says your music has changed their life? * Where did the name Penny & Sparrow come from? * Was there a moment where you felt like you made it? * Tell us about your latest album, Finch. 0:00 We like to call ourselves rose a rock occasionally was a rock yeah sleep folk sleep. Good music to procreate to Yeah. Yeah, these are the things that we call Yeah, we discover music as like nobody's working out to Penny and Sparrow like, at least to the best of our knowledge nobody's getting a good pump while they listen to your workout as a stroll. 0:32 Welcome back, everybody. It is Episode 228 of bourbon pursuit. I'm Kenny. And here's the news. The dates for the Kentucky bourbon festival 2020 have been announced. It will take place on September 16 through September 20 of 2020. The festival which draws novice and experienced bourbon lovers to Bardstown, Kentucky every year will celebrate the storied history of distilling America's native spirit during National bourbon Heritage Month. Tickets for the Kentucky bourbon 1:00 festival will be made available for purchase during the summer so make sure you continue to visit Kentucky bourbon festival at KY bourbon festival.com. To stay up to date on all the latest festival happenings and developments. Now for some pursuit series news Episode 15 is now hitting retail shelves across the state of Kentucky. If you're interested in getting a bottle, pay attention because here's the small list of stores that our distributor gave us so you can go out and find your own. Westport whiskey and wine, the party source go big blue liquors depths, fine wine, Ernie spirits bind pig bourbon market, the brown hotel and the brown barrel. We appreciate all the support for going out there and buying a bottle and we hope to bring more here in the future as well. Now it's a sad day in the bourbon world is Blake from bourbon or calm is announced that he's retiring his Pappy release map. It's something that many people around the country including myself used over the years to kind of know when Pappy was gonna be hitting in my state. And Blake he puts it all out there. 2:00 His latest article, that it's time to stop because there's a rare chance that you will ever get it. And if you do, the odds are you are not going to be paying MSRP. He also kind of throws a quick jab in there saying that Sazerac rock really isn't doing anything to prevent counterfeits, nor are they doing anything to stop stores or distributors from playing this game. And you can read more about this in this article within our show notes. Now for today's podcast, I met Andy and Kyle the guys that are behind the band, Penny and Sparrow for the first time back at the 2019 for castle Music Festival in Louisville, Kentucky. I won't ruin the beginning of the podcast for you. But besides being great musicians, and also being incredibly funny, these guys are also really into bourbon. And I'm going to anticipate that after you listen to the stories that these two have to tell about their life on the road, their creation process, and of course, their love for bourbon. You're gonna become a fan as well. Now, it's time for Joe to tell us a little bit about barrel 3:00 spirits. And then you've got Fred Minnick with above the char. 3:05 Hi, this is Joe from barrell craft spirits. We're always trying to push the envelope of blending whiskey in America. Find out more at barrel bourbon.com. 3:15 I'm Fred Minnick, and this is above the char. We're coming up on the holidays. What a wonderful time of year you have your family and your friends together. And you crack open the cork. You pour a little bourbon in your glass, you sip by the fire. It's so magical. It's so wonderful. I absolutely love the holidays. But here's the here's the kicker of it all, is that it is not easy to buy bourbon for people anymore. For God's sakes, I'm trying to figure out what to get some of my friends who I always get bourbon and they get everything already. So here's my recommendations for 4:00 Want to buy your friends who are bourbon fans? Come down to Kentucky or find someone who's in Kentucky and buy private barrel selections. I mean truly, and honestly, those are the best possible gifts that you can get because they are unique. They are unique to that particular store. And if you don't know what a private barrel selection is, it's when a liquor store or a club goes to the distillery and they actually select a barrel of bourbon that is bottled specifically for them. You'll see their sticker on it and then when you give that as a gift to somebody, you can tell them you know, that's one of only 75 or 200 bottles of that bourbon it when that bottles gone, you'll never have any of it again. And in fact, you don't have to go to Kentucky you'll find that whether it's a total wine or a local liquor store in your market or a big chain like Kroger, you'll find that there are excellent private barrel selections there. Just walk up to the cash register and say hey, you have any private 5:00 barrel pics. And if they look at you like you're crazy, you know you're in the wrong store. So hopefully by now if you're listening to this podcast, you've already found your bourbon store. And if you don't have your bourbon store, just ask us in the comments where you should be shopping. And that's this week's above the char. Hey, if you have an idea for above the char hit me up on Twitter or Instagram, hey, even my YouTube, just search my name Fred Minnick. Until next week. Cheers. 5:32 Welcome back to that episode of bourbon pursuit the official podcast of bourbon. Kenny here today just in the basement recording studio, but this is going to be an opportunity that we rarely get. I mean, it's an opportunity where we are trying to find new guests that are able to bring a new dynamic to the podcast. You know, we've had WWE superstars on before and today we're going to have a music artist on that. me you've maybe heard of and if not, you're going to learn more about them too. 6:00 Day. But I want to tell a quick story of how we all kind of got connected here. So, you know, we're starting to get involved with a lot of more music festivals, and, you know, for castle, bourbon and beyond, and so on and so forth. And when you do that, you get put on a media list. And with the media list, you kind of get spammed with a lot of band managers and PR people. And it's usually pretty generic. Sometimes it'll say like, hey, and then they'll be like a variable that says, like dollar sign, insert name here. And it says, like, you got to meet these people. They're great. You can see you can see him on stage at this time. And let me know if you want a chance to have them on your podcast or have them on, you know, maybe in your newspaper article because they don't really tailor it. It's just, you know, just something generic that goes out. But you know, shout out to Joe, Joe's, the PR manager for Penny and Sparrow. And he sent me a very personalized email and it kind of started off and saying like, Oh, hey, like, Listen, these guys are actually like really into bourbon. And that's kind of what kind of kick this off because usually people's 7:00 You know, you gotta have mon like, okay, sure what are we going to talk about? music that is because if we don't have any shared interest in bourbon, this is going to be a pretty, pretty lame for a bourbon podcast. And so we took an opportunity I said, Yeah, that's that's awesome. Let's go meet these guys so we had an opportunity to sync up at four castle after their set. And we talked and I mean, we talked for probably a solid 30 minutes there and I think we just we there's there's magic I mean, there's there's something was happening right all the all the stars were aligning, and, and we really kicked it off. And these guys are huge bourbon nerds. They're really into it. Plus, they make great music. And so I'm happy to be able to introduce these two guys to the show. So today, we've got Eddie Baxter, and Kyle Yankee. They are the duo behind Penny and Sparrow which has been featured in Rolling Stone and they're also came out with the latest album Finch. So fellas, welcome to the show. Hello. Thank you for having us. Greetings to you constant listener. 7:58 So, you know, I couldn't be 8:00 Usually like talk about bourbon like as we usually go into this like it's because we usually have a master distiller somebody get coming on but you know you guys bring a different dynamic to this so we'll talk about bourbon here in a little bit. I kind of want to learn more about you all like talk about the origins of the band. Maybe talk a little bit more about the type of music y'all do as well because I know it's kind of it's like folk music maybe like iron and wine mixed into it kind of talk about like, where you all get your you know, your vibe and everything. folk music iron line is very, very good. A good comparison. We like to call ourselves rose a rock occasionally was a rock Yeah, sleep folk sleep. That's good music to procreate too. Yeah. Yeah, these are the things that we call Yeah, we describe our music as like nobody's working out to Penny and Sparrow leads to the best of our knowledge. nobody's getting a good pump while they listen unless you enjoy your workout as a stroll. Yeah, cuz that is what we can provide a good stroll soundtrack can do that. We started doing music and 9:00 College because I needed a place to stay. My wife knew this guy and 11 other guys that lived in this huge house. That was basically a shithole frat house. 9:10 By the way, not at all. I'm just letting you know this was that many people in a small space with very little air conditioning is filthy is filthy. So I moved in and Kyle and I pretty quickly found out that we both liked music and both sounded pretty okay when we sang together. And man, the rest as they say sort of history. We just kept plugging along and on a small home rig that his mom and dad got him for Christmas, we recorded our first song with the sheer expressed intent of having music that our kids could someday listen to. And here we are eight years later with no kids. 9:46 That's pretty cool for one day they'll listen to it. Yeah, if we procreate Yeah, they'll be able to hear it. They'll be able to they'll be able to get down on it. But I mean that your all's vibe like what you all do. You know I think I read that you make serious songs, but you're not very serious people. 10:00 All right. And that's kind of like the kind of vibe y'all put. I mean, we were down here talking before we started recording here. And we were just cracking jokes left and right. So kind of talk about the music, like where the inspiration comes from the lyrics, everything like that. Yeah, we that's I mean, what we mainly try to do is write basically autobiographical songs, things that we're working through things that would be cathartic to us. 10:26 But that's usually the more internal stuff, which is great. I mean, we talked about it all the time. It's the the deeper conversations Andy and I have. 10:35 But yeah, I mean, I don't we don't live in that part of our we have, I feel like the majority of what we do is, as humans is just light hearted. Yeah. And I remember years ago, when we started doing this, we started taking ourselves really seriously on the front end, right? Like we were we featured ourselves being serious guys writing heartfelt music with good lyrics and the least on stage. Yeah. 11:00 So we'd show up to these shows, and then we would, you know, barely move an inch and not talk and not laugh in between songs just to try and, you know, sing our ass off. And then I remember my dad talking to us after a show one time and more or less said, Jesus Christ, let him come up for air. I think the point he was getting at was like, Look, this isn't who you are, when you're not onstage like, this is sort of more of a character, you're creating this overly serious, you know, facade. So just do you see like that I didn't raise an overly sensitive son that would happen to all that he definitely raised an overly sensitive side is true, he did do that. But he also raised a sort of a goofball as the his old man. And so for what it's worth, it felt so much more free just to be the same person on stage and off. So the same dumb shit jokes that we make in the van is what you get here on a podcast is what you get on stage and we do a show and that feels really nice. Yeah, I mean, I had the opportunity last night to go and check you guys out on the show because you guys are doing your your nationwide tour right? 12:00 Now and I know it's going to be finished by the time this this wraps up. But it's funny because you all you mean exactly exactly what you just said, right? It's it's serious songs, and then you all bring this different vibe to it where you like you try to bring it up lifting. I mean, at one point, Andy, you're doing this thing of like, All right, let's get the clap. Let's get the beat going. And then you would raise your hands slowly, slowly need said as I raise my hands. I want to see your hands in the air. And then when I make like this musical cue of like, stop, everybody stop. No, I don't want to see repeat. And it'd be great job too. Yeah, really impressive. Yeah. And I think I even told him when I do that, I want you to shut the hell up. Yeah. Which is aggressive to say to a crowd of paying customers who came to see you do a thing, but really, that just point needs to be gotten across. And they do they went into it. It's awesome when people are I mean, maybe it's because it's bourbon country. Everybody was slightly hammered, but they really they bought in which is nice. Yeah. I was about to say how many venues do you go to and there's like four roses posters just blasted everywhere over like Morgan headliners last night. Oh, dude. It's this is a different 13:00 chunk of the country okay like people here get the brown water and they're down with it as are we but I feel like we had three gifted bottles to us last night and they were all good Oh really? Yeah they were all nice we had an eagle rare we had a Woodford double oak forgetting one from a another distillery but we got gifted these bottles and I was like, man, it pays to play in Louisville. Yeah, so good. That's awesome. And yeah, free bourbon is always the best bourbon. It's a great bourbon. Yeah, it tastes better. Yeah, that's what we're down here to we were sitting there sampling from my bar before we started here. We had started with some dusty and I think we got we got Booker's right here is what we're sampling on right now. So that's a fact and constant listener. You should know that. We are in a layer. It's not just a studio, we are in a bourbon layer. There is lighting fixtures made out of barrel hoops. There are thousands of bottles surrounding it thousands. Like if it's a powder keg in here, one errant match and the whole blocks going up in flames. Yeah, we're gonna make sure we don't have a gas leak little bit later. He just 14:00 Right, yeah, positive of that. 14:02 And so, you know, the music is fun and it's interesting and you all are been going and I kind of want to talk a little bit more about, you know, the road and the tour because I'm sure you've got fans. I remember there was one fan last night and I think she tried standing up or waving she was she was on the right side about five rows back and every song she was just going crazy. What's your craziest like fan moment that you've had? That's a good question. I'm really good one you know, Skid Row comes to mind. Yeah, Skid Row probably comes to my most likely that mean Andy with a fan 14:36 who loved our stuff. The the man had a few too many drinks and was kind of shifting between being extremely excited and happy to see us like tears of joy seeing us and telling us how much he loved us to literally almost throwing punches at us. And he had some just Jacqueline 15:00 Hi, I'm going on while we were there, oh, he was a psychopath. And he shall remain nameless. But he went by will actually this is not on his birth certificate. So I think it's safe to say this. He introduced himself as joke. That was his name. Yeah. So rule number one. Yeah. Don't be friends with anybody named john. Sure. Yeah. But junk like Kyle said and met us with tears in his eyes saying I'm so glad we got you here. I'm so glad we got your you're going to show them you're going to show them and saying a lot of nonsensical like the hell does this guy mean? So Kyle, and I basically consoling him. Yeah. While he was meeting us, which was really sweet. Like I took it. We're here. We're here. Thank you. So we're also glad you're here. Thank you for this is a gig, right? Yeah, we can still play. And he then proceeds to, you know, basically ask us a really basic question. Like, you know, how far was a draft day? And he's slurring over himself. And as Kyle goes to answer the question, it was just act it out. Yeah. Let's just do a little role play. Yeah. Okay. We're used to this. Yeah. Okay. You I'll be 16:00 junk UBU Okay, and how how long was draft today? Oh the drive Shut up. fuck up, dude. 16:10 So the important parts of that interaction dude, buddy, buddy that's it. Yeah, I took away that took away that's the most important thing that you could Garner from that story is that he said shut the fuck up dude, buddy. And we have ever since us dude buddy as the perfect you know, hey, screw off they want to call somebody and that was with a fan so I don't really know what to do with that other than Hey, thanks, john I'm glad to exist in this weird world of ours. But no no crying outrage like on stage when you're up there and he was just cool calm and collected in a seat. Oh, no, there's no Well, there were some crying outrages he kept screaming out the phrase make them wonder over and over, which we still to this day are not sure what he meant by that. But we're doing our best still junk. If you're listening to this. We are trying to make them wonder every night every night. I think that's 17:00 That's the new lyric to our new new title though new song is what it's got to be. Yeah, it's totally true meta man named junk in Skid Row. We're going to make them 100 mega one day we are eight years later still making them. 17:13 Oh man, that's fantastic. So I guess we'll we'll kind of shift a little bit and we'll kind of talk about bourbon. So kind of talking about your all story with bourbon like, Where are you introduced to it? How did you kind of get into it? Because you know, Kyle, I know last time we talked it you know, you're part of like the r&d next and we talked you're part of like the the hunting party now like you're searching for bottle bottles and stuff. So I think we both got started, I guess similar in time, our our manager Paul's a big collector of bourbon. And he's got this thing called the steel speakeasy, which is really rad. And he was the one who showed us for the first time like, Hey, here's the really nice stuff. You've had a lot of the shitty stuff. Let's try some really good things. And I'm going to talk you through some of the taste notes, some of the flavor profiles just 18:00 Some of them get you get your feet wet a little bit. And I took to it really fast really enjoy it as this Kyle and for me one of the things that keeps me sane on the road is hunting for two things, where books and bourbon so I'll go to liquor stores just along the highway as I'm driving in the van or used bookstores and it's just really neat once you've been introduced to how big this world is. how big the world of dusty hunting is how big the world of rare bottle hunting is, and raffles are like the secondary market when you get invited into that and you see how crazy it is but also, you know, the community family aspect of people tagging you in a thing because they know you like Booker's 20th anniversary or they know you've always wanted to find the Booker's right bottle and so they tagged you in when they thinks a decent price in the secondary market. This world's huge man. And so once we got our feet wet into it, it was sort of snowballed from there and now, and now I'm a moderate alcoholic, and I really like bourbon a whole lot. That's where it's thermometer. It's good. 18:59 Good lottery 19:00 Good don't go over that that edge right? Yeah, that's all I need to worry about. Do you think like how early on when we were down in the speakeasy were you overwhelmed a bit when we were like down there with 1000 and a half bottles known because you and Paul are my Sherpas? 19:14 You guys tell me everything I need to know about. 19:18 I love that answer. Yeah, thank you. I felt comfortable. calm. You made me wonder down there. That's that's how I wanted your first experience. Be. I was it was I tender and affectionate Ender? Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. Laughing that's how that's Yes. No, that's how your first time should be tender. Whisper the notes. Yeah, it was a bourbon into my hand and give me a soft, gentle kiss on the cheek. Got It's hot. And I'm glad that I didn't know 24 proof 19:50 tenants. 19:55 Man, we just fell in love with it pretty early on and now it's on the writer every night. 20:01 It feels neat to be able to try local stuff and and go by I love baby distilleries. I've got like this massive affection for seeing someone knowing that the craft took so many years to make, like there are these people who gather buddies together started a small distillery, and all of a sudden, they're like putting juice and barrels, and they have to wait. It's a waiting game, and they hope and their fingers are crossed. And so when good stuff comes out of that, I know that for me, it's inspiring because I know what it's like to crockpot a creative idea and wait for it. And that hoping is part of the thing that you're doing, whether it be making music or making booze like you just have a hope you really desire to make a good thing. You put everything into that you can knowledge know how expertise, advice from other people, and then you sit and you wait and hope. And I have a lot of value for that. Which is one of the things I think I'm drawn to bourbon about and baby distilleries, because I think that that's hard to do. And it's risky as shit, man. Oh, yeah. And that's good. That's cool to me. I love that. Well, Andy, I mean, what 21:00 can talk about more about what was there like one bourbon or anything like that that got you kicked or hooked on it or anything like that. Like there's Oh yeah. So kind of talk about what that what that was. It was Booker's for sure it's my favorite to this day. I mean, the way that I always when people ask us our answers the same we both love Booker's and my usual response depending on who I'm talking to with why I love it so much is a the nostalgic pull of it being the first fancy bottle that someone bought me like the first fancy ish bottle and being blown away by how spicy it was. And I tell them the reason why it's my favorite is it it's a it's a bourbon you can have three ways. It's three Bourbons in one bottle. You that is a totally different flavor profile, if you haven't need versus how you have that with a drop of water swill let it open for a minute versus having a couple cubes in there. I mean, you are literally changing the flavor complexion three totally different ways. And as the ice melts, you're going to get a fourth and fifth and six depending on how long you sip on it. 22:00 So any chameleon bottle like that, that exists I'm fond of, which is normally Why go for the hazmat shit. I'm just a huge fan of high proof stuff like that a chameleon. I like that I don't think I've ever heard that one I'm Can I steal that you can share science yours now I'm gonna go ahead and pour in the ship for me and it's all yours will keep going. 22:19 So, Carl, what about you? I mean, I know he said, You know, he said he'd like Booker's as well. But I mean, was that your first introduction was somebody that said, like here drink this hundred 25 proof stuff. You're gonna love it. So I remember Andy and 2011 when he was like, man, I think I like bourbon. That's, that's great. That's really cool. And at the time, I didn't know too much about it. I just started doing a text message. Really? sweet man. Yeah, thanks, man. Cool personal epiphany. Yeah, enjoy a good Tuesday. And I remember you would you drink. 22:51 Just like all of the standards, just like a makers are bulletin, any of those and you are just learning about them. And I do remember when you got your 23:00 First, your first bottle of the good stuff daddy's first book. Yeah, it was very sweet. isn't good time. But then that was it. I feel like it just came over. And I mean, we at the time, were already spending so much time together that I was part of the whole process. And that's just not like yours like guiding Angel, like the whole thing. I'll continue on Go on. How would you say that I'm your enabler and that I to have made you a moderate alcoholic through this process? Because I'd like for you to not say that. I can't not say that. It's definitely true. Yeah, it's very true. Cool. Yeah, we're in the same spot. Yeah, I feel great about that. Our liver is fine. It's fine. We're young. It's length. And if anything, if anything is Old Ironsides Yeah, there that thing can take. And it's fine. I'm say take a look. And I don't know if I like that. But it's okay. Because you really can you have to look at the end. I'm working on that. But yeah, that's how I just and you is for sure my enabler. Through through all of it. My dad is more of a scotch guy. And so I knew about scotches and then I think Andy's 24:00 My whole family in fact about the bourbon world because my dad now will go and buy anytime he knows we're going to travel through hope by the biggest bottle of bourbon that is possible to buy and will be so excited about it. It looks like a super super soaker tank 24:16 it's literally like I didn't know they made them that big It looks like a novelty inflatable but it's real and it's full of Woodford any acid every fucking time. Yeah, I'm so grateful. 24:26 And it's almost cash by the time you leave. Well, I wouldn't gonna say it but yeah, but yeah, if I had a nickel for every like ambling midnight to 2am walking down the stairs at the young house. I've had that huge daddy bottle I'd have loads of nickels. 24:43 So kind of talk about more your your all's camaraderie because you know you grew up together went to school together in Austin. But you don't live in Austin together anymore? Correct. You guys are separated by a state now. So like that. Yeah, that's my talk. So kind of talk about like how that all works out. 25:00 You know the band The friendship, everything. Yeah. Will you talk about the band? I'll talk about the friendship. Yeah. So as a should we should we start with that? Let's go friendship then you do? Yeah. Okay. So I don't think that friends. In fact, I know this. Friends don't spend as much time around each other. Normally as Kyle and I do. I've lived with Kyle in three different homes, both as a married individual, me, my wifey, his wife and another buddy and his wife all lived in this house in Austin in this communal type setup, where we would be going on the road, and our wives and friends all get to always share meals together. And so we lived in married housing together, we lived on the road in various hotels, we lived in San Antonio and a house together. We have lived together in college so much time has been spent with this human. And over that time, you learn a few things not only about each other, but you learn about how to have interpersonal relationships, but 26:00 Right, like you learn like if I again, the amount of mercy extended and mercy received and hard conversations had and celebrations and things to be more and and births and funerals and everything that we've had as a friend group is so much higher than most people have just out of sheer proximity. We live together we work together, we have slept in the same lucky into bed more times than any friends have ever done before, at least to the best of my knowledge. And when we were recording back in the day, we would sleep on couches, just head to toe unlike one individual couch that that was a fact. Yeah, and we didn't enjoy that. One is not 26:42 to say somebody enjoys 26:44 that somebody is a me. 26:48 Yeah, we just with the sheer amount of time that we spend together I feel like not only is this my best friend, but there's there's something deeper than that. It's something that's close enough to begin and it comes 27:00 Out of hard fought years and time spent, there's no substitute for time spent ever. There's no sub for it. I've spent thousands of hours with this person talking about the scary shit in life, the beautiful things in life. And everything in between. And the end result of that has been something that, like I said, is closer to kin than most things that people will ever have. And closer than brothers, that I know like most people that I know don't even have this relationship with their kin. And that has definitely fed into how we do music. And this is a little bit weird for us to live in a different place. Now. It's the first time in our lives that we live in a different city different state. And granted, we still see each other hundreds of days a year as we toured together, but it's definitely affected the music in a good way but surprising. Which brings me to the next phase, the music kind of what would you say our friendship is when it comes to music and its creation. Well, me and Andy we hate each other. So we have to be separated by at least by at least a two to 300 28:00 jerril Simon and Garfunkel thing, right? Yeah. 28:03 And well So Andy we both moved to Alabama for a season. And Andy fell in love with it. I also loved it but wanted to come home to family were to be back in Texas. So I moved back. And so to record we wanted to stay home just because it's a lot of travel if if we don't. 28:21 And so we've just learned learned how we each have our own little individual studios that we go to we record with our buddy Chris Jacoby in San Antonio. And he goes and records with Chris buffet. We each have our own individual Chris's that we record in their studios. CRISPR get on the phone, right Mike Chris over here, his Chris over there is perfect. And we just do the method. I do a lot of the melody and he does a lot of the lyrics. And 28:48 when it comes time to record, we just do our own individual thing and kind of just mash it all together and see what works and technology allows it. Pretty crazy thing now. Sweet. Not so hard. Yeah. Sweet, sweet. 29:00 Internet. We couldn't stream it. Who knows where to be here, man? What was it I think, who was at the open for you all last night. Caroline Spence, Caroline Spence she had a she had a really funny kind of like opening to one of her songs and saying like, oh, I've got like a couple million downloads on Spotify with this one song. It's amazing that my parents have figured out how to use Spotify 29:21 solid Carolina. 29:24 So who's the messy one between you to me? No, I were both pretty messy. I would say I you're very sweet to say so. I think we can both be tidy when necessary. But I think I would probably get because he's more form and function like he would never asked me to pack up the van. What I do, and I've learned it now I've learned this about myself and it's fine. I am not efficient in a lot of movements. And so I look at Kyle and I'm like, Kyle, if you will please do this for you. Or will you do it and then teach me so that I can now know how to do it your way spatial reasoning I did not score very high. 30:00 On I knew lots of synonyms but I did not know how to put the blocks in the right order so that they would fit neatly into a van he does so I think that would mean that he's cleaner well that's that's like a dad move right you know to pack up a pack up the truck to go down to Myrtle Beach or to Florida or desk whatever it is and you're sitting there playing a game of Jenga with all your luggage I've got that I've got that gene whatever it is in my tool I it's so hot The other day I literally it did happen where you start waving fan and yourself like Oh, it's so nice to have a man around. 30:34 And I would honestly say something like that every time I see impacting man like I'm so proud of you. Amy peg the van the other day and the doors wouldn't shut up. He was like trying feebly trying to shut both of the doors to say Cleveland was not nice, but it was just calling it what it is and painting a picture. Yeah, typecast. Listen, it's here. It's banned. I think I literally pushed you out of the way was like I got this. Just 31:00 I'm out, and then I put it together. Oh my insolence my silliness that I would even tried to back the van but did but in terms of who's cleaner, both of our suitcases explode. That's why I'm entering every single hotel room we enter. That's true. They do so to answer your question, maybe it's a push, but the more organized of the two of us would be Kyle. Yeah, I don't be somebody I'll take her. Yeah, you'll have to look at its object. I'll take it. So when you're on the road, are you are you all constantly talking to each other is like one person napping while somebody else is driving? Or is it you know, you said like, you've talked about everything deep and everything here. So is that is that what does that what driving on the road is like for you also, we, the last four days. Before we got to local, we had four days of six hour drive days each. So within that six hours, there can still be two hours of talking, and a good two hour nap and then two hours of just 32:00 Looking at your phone or whatever else you want to do, or just staring off into the distance Yeah. And that's about what happens each time is just a mix of all of those and whoever is in the driver's seat gets the ox cord and gets to choose what we listening to. 32:15 So you got into on the road got a good system. Well, I mean, it's almost guaranteed. You're going to look at see a few things with Ryan, our tour manager, you're going to get a steady diet of pop divas, you're going to hear lover by Taylor Swift over and over again. Then you're going to hear him switch over to never getting to know Anderson's lover, that whole album on repeat that some Shania Twain and I will never weasel in when Kyle's in the seat recently. It's been a lot of RMB RMB Yeah, yeah, I don't I can't listen to anything but right now, which is just fine some slow moving kind of get you in low juniors. Yeah, that's what I'm looking in this home a little bit as I will always Yeah. Manny, what are you alluding to? I didn't 32:58 just like thank you. 33:00 Yeah, you mean you can make it look at Andy as much as you can, but it's like yeah, after a while you're just like, all right. I miss home a little bit. Yeah. Listen the RMB stuff. I get it, man. It's nice. It does. That's been that's been on the docket for him for a while now. So it'll probably bleed into the next record somehow. Yeah, for me, it's guaranteed I will sit in the front seat. Probably be quiet for like 20 minutes and then put on my Stephen King audiobook more Stephen King podcast. And they will both look at me smirk a little bit and put their headphones 33:32 such as life man such as life. So So I mean, so you're a podcast listener right. So the Stephen King stuff, so you don't you're not a fan of just like listening to whatever's happening. Going around as you're driving then. No, not so much for me. Yeah, I think we're gonna let him have a Stephen King. No, I'm sure he's a beautiful human, Stephen King, and I hope to meet him one day, but please, I I just haven't read his books yet. Now, I'm not a book reader either, but I can listen to a book 34:00 Totally that's like why they invented movies. Like why would you? Why would you read a book? Yeah, we made it past them. Yeah. It's like when you sit down with a book for a month when I can get finished in an hour and a half, and see the problems, my shit on y'all and I don't want a problem here in the zoo, Andy's a fast reader. And so he doesn't get that he can finish a book in a few hours. And that's where he finds enjoyment. And it still I've been reading the same book this whole tour and I think it's like 150 pages. Oh, God, and like it's half and more pictures. Right? Yeah, it's actually it's actually shell Silverstein it's a really good novel. He's gonna love it when he finished it. I could barely finish it goose goose bumps novel anymore, right. So man, choose your own adventure. Yeah, sweet RL Stine. 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But I got to see a lot of the stuff behind the scenes in terms of like I didn't know about the ALGEO and orphan barrel stuff and how I was involved with bullet and all that stuff is my first time ever being behind the door. That was my first experience was the bullet one and then I went to Buffalo Trace which sort of like the Cadillac for me. It was lovely. Never seen a brick house never been inside one before. I was the the perfect target for the guy that sits down and watches the video in Buffalo Trace and was just like 37:47 just just full, full geek Boehner and loved it so much and I'm sitting like asking questions of the tour guide I'm that guy. I was. I was really loving it. And like man, I again, if 38:00 I lived nearer to here I do it so much more often because it's such a cool thing man. I know that there are other worlds as big as this in the booze world like I know the the world of smelly A's and wine is huge and if you want to go to you've got favorite vintners and favorite years and all that famous and maybe sometime that'll be a thing that I get into but right now this is like the second most passionate affinity that I have is bourbon and I love that and Stephen King's a good number one to have it is pretty good 38:31 again selfish plug listener out there if you know Stephen please connect him with my people. 38:38 Hey, will you tell me Can you show your Somali a skills with this bourbon with what we're having? Oh, yeah, yeah, I mean, let's put you to the top I 38:48 want the listener to hear what I basically what I go through, but I get to go through Oh, and welcome to Andy's bourbon tasting. This is imagine you're my ear. Yeah. If you switched by normal 39:00 Take the left earphone out, put it back in, but the right one and I'm all around you. What I'm drinking today friend is Booker's right. This is the first fancy bottle I ever bought for myself. My wife was furious. I found it in Texas, or outside of lower Greenville. And here it comes to me via the bourbon pursuit podcast and his willingness to share his nice booze on the nose, a stringent rye smoky, very sour ish In my opinion, which I love very much very much right? But this drinks more like a bourbon very spicy, stays in the back of your throat right above the tongue just lingers there for much longer than it would the burning taste that you'll get with anything high proof and Booker's is always there and always present. But this even though it's Ryan astringent, in my mind still has a sweetness that is not normally present and rye whiskeys for me that I love, which is why I would compare it to a bourbon and that is my tasting note for today. On Booker's right, thank you don't fantastic, slow clap for that. Thank you so much. Thank you. That was nice. 40:00 Right yeah sure head guys into it. I mean, because Booker's ride this was this was one of the most, you know, highly anticipated and allocated releases that came out a few years ago. It's long gone from the market who knows if we're ever going to see something like this again, because this was a batch of ride that actually Booker know put down, right? I mean, this was this was something that happened a long time ago. But what was it that kind of got you into the kind of the hunting scene Andy like what got you into trying to find where bottles or anything like that? I think it was the first time that Paul described to me how few of these get made and the stories behind him like you just alluded to the fact that if I remember right, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but Booker Booker know when he was there, and like his latter years, this was the only project that outlasted in terms of his actual life. This is post mortem released. Absolutely. But he had his actual hands on the mash bill on the creation process on the front end. And the story of that to me, I knew this was a bottle that I had to hunt down and find which is why I have it in the bunker because 41:00 Booker's get that in style jackpot For me it was the first thing that made me fall in love with bourbon I collect as many of their offerings as I possibly can the best use of ever had my life is Booker's 25th anniversary and so for me hunting began with this bottle which is pretty cool that we're you know, having it in this podcast but the first time I ever remember bouncing over to multiple different liquor stores when I news release week for this, and I was just hoping, you know, and I was I was so green, like, didn't have a fucking clue. I'm literally walking to places like, do you have it? Yeah. And they're like, like, I would get laughed at so hard. But this one, like, younger clerk at this liquor store was like, I think I can probably get one. I mean, I think that the dude that we had promised to bailed, and it was just too high of a price point for him at the time, and I was like, I'll do it. And again, wife was none too pleased until I explained like, I'm not gonna do this all the time. We don't have the cash for it. But I saved up my money from the road. We're good. And it feels really cool to say that it began a love for 42:00 Hunting dusty is later on when I learned what they were finding out old distilleries that I occasionally can find on the secondary market that people sell. And where do you go for this? Like, how do you hunt? Yeah, that's good question. I mean, like, I would say that you're you're in a decent position. I wish I should I say you probably wish maybe when you started doing this, like six years ago, you were on the road. Yeah. When you're on the road. That was prime opportunity way back then. Right. Because even back in 2013 2012 timeframe, the stores were still littered back then they couldn't sell the stuff sure until 2014 hit 2015 then everything just was scarce. It was just a ghost town and some of these liquor stores to find allocated bourbon. So yeah, to talk about your story there. Well, the hunt for me like it begins not on the secondary market. For the most part, I love going to hole in the wall along the road hole in the wall, seemingly dilapidated liquor stores and checking behind the front rack and what I mean by that 43:00 I've had incredible luck in in and around smaller towns and Alabama checking package stores and looking at old like literally they'll put the new version of wild turkey one on one of the front. And then if you look behind you might be lucky enough to see like you can tell cork difference you can tell label difference that I've found at least six bottles of us Austin Nichols wild turkey that way just from looking in the back and that just means that nobody goes into that package store and buys wild turkey. They had to buy it to get the new label to keep their rep happy or whatever. I found age state at old charter and found some old log cabin some really great best old saying yeah some some really cool dusty finds just from people who've like only these package stores for years. And you know, don't know what they have and I'm not out there trying to scam them because I don't do any I don't resell anything. My my meager bourbon collection in my little closet of my house is all for drinking. I wanted to have specific bottles set aside for specific purposes in my life. 44:00 When a buddy has a kid, we're going to open up birthday bourbon. When there's a death in the family and I want to celebrate the life that has been extinguished, I want to open up the Booker's offering. I want to open up the dusty of the bottle and bomb bomb beam that I have from the 60s. That was there. I mean, he was in the barrel when Kennedy was alive, like, Are you kidding me? Like there's so much of this stuff that I see a bottle that there's limited number of and I immediately see a story. And I see who was alive when it was first in the cask and I see all of those things that matter to me as a storyteller and my other job. And so I admittedly I wax nostalgic and poetic on everything in my life. And I've done that Full Frontal with bourbon and I'm very pleased with it. It just makes the hunt so much easier because it makes it something fun to do. And so the secondary markets like the last stop the last stop I'm like, I really want to thing but I know that there's no chance I'm gonna be able to find it in the wild. But for a person who hasn't done that, what does that even look like the secondary market secondary markets tough man sometimes you can invite 45:00 The private Facebook's and lots of stuff, but you've got people online that'll buy a bottle for X number of dollars. And then they will take that MSRP and they will multiply it by 1000 million dollars. And then say yes, you can have this MSRP bottle of $170 for the meager pricing of 1200. Gotta and it's brutal but to be honest with you, and this is just being really blunt and whether this gets me castrated by bourbon fans or not, there are times where the story the juice is worth the squeeze the story of the bottle and me never being able to get access to that bottle outside of this really jacked up price on the secondary market is worth it. Like I'm saving up for the sheer fact that someday I'll be able to get a bottle of Booker's 25 be for probably 850. Now I think 600 was a couple years ago, but that about right azz pretty much on point or out there. So looking at that I'm like, okay, I want that and and is the story and the amount of time 46:00 And dinners that I'll be able to have that with and back porch conversations. 46:06 Is it worth it? And the answer is, of course, of course it is. To me and that's not for everybody but if you spread out that price point over the amount of time and stories that I'll be able to have it on it then yeah towards it. So there you go. So if your listener out there, you're a fan of these guys. You got a book or 2015 around. There's there might be a private private concert you could have in your backyard for a bottle who knows I'll rub your back. Lots of stuff. There's a lot of ways 46:33 so I mean, are you so Kyle I'll ask you so when when when you're on the road and Andy's driving or you're driving or whatever? Does a DC like a rundown liquor stores like pull the pull pulled over pulled over? We gotta go, Sam. Yeah, we both do, because I know that's what he did. So I'll see what it'll be like, is this a good looking one, we need to stop here. And most times, ZS there's really not a there's very rarely I know, to go into a liquor store. So we'll go pretty often and I know what to look for. 47:00 Now, which is really fun, I know how to say the things to the guys behind the counter to see if there's anything back there. Yeah to play that game game, and I'm in it now, which is nice, but I know that uh, whatever whatever we find whatever the bounty is. We'll go to Sir Baxter, which is great. And then I'll get a couple polls off at every once in a while. Pro tip for you hunters out there, just one. I won't spoil all the tricks. But one, a really great way to get in good with a local liquor store that sells fancy bottles is before you let them answer upon asking if they have that midwinter nights DRAM or whatever really cool bottle you're looking for you immediately say before you ask before you let them talk after you've said do you have this is Do you have anything in the back? You say also if you do have it will open it right here right now and will each have a poor and that is a great way to immediately be like I've seen people turn on a dime when they were going I gotta tell me No. And then I'm like, Is it worth 48:00 it for me to like have a poor of this stuff right now with the the owner then buy the bottle from him. Yeah, because it does two things in one thing you get to try the juice, you get to try the juice with a friend who also probably loves bourbon because he's selling the stuff he pedals it and then you're probably going to get future offers or future looks because that guy knows that you give a shit because then you're not going to resell an open bottle. Like for him I find it for most people I find that disarming because they know that I'm not in this to make cash. I'm in this because I love the juice. I love the story and I really want that bottle to open up and drink in my house and it'll get open eventually might as well now yeah, exactly as will make it happen. So take that and run with it listener So even with the with the fandom that you have anything like that nothing's like nothing's free coming your way. I mean, I talked about bourbon all the time and yeah, all I get samples sent to me But yeah, for the most part, nobody sitting here sending me allocated bourbon, but even in the music world. Nobody's like, Hey, I got all this Booker's in the back waiting for you guys, right. We got occasional offers 49:00 The occasional offers of people that are kind enough that want to bring us bottles and we get gifted because they know that we dig it we can give to a fair amount of booze on the road which we love the idol amazing. Please continue doing really great, really love that's a good trend. Let's keep that rolling at the end of every tour we do a bourbon lottery because we'll have 49:18 a decent amount that we've both accrued by ourselves and that we've accrued from GIFs from people and so we'll get to the end of a tour a leg of tour and we just go one for one we like rock paper scissor who goes first then we go one for one and first Captain second cap Yeah, and usually those bottles that we still share but we just keep in our house and get to slowly sip on but we're both at each other's houses enough that like we basically choosing which ones we want to have a little bit more of a drink anything at my house and whenever I'm over at his house like he's got bourbon, I'm drinking that too. And so it's literally like it's a first Captain second captain and the only way that he's not going to get it as if he doesn't show up in time for me to finish that bottle. 49:59 get hurt. Yeah. 50:00 So I guess the way to get in good graces, you gotta feed these guys bourbon. Yeah, you guys are bourbon bourbon geeks at the end of the day, which is awesome. And I think that's one of the main reasons why we love to have you on here is because I don't think there's a whole lot of people, we could go and talk to better musicians out there that could have this level of conversation with us as well. Because, you know, like you all are, you're in the trenches, too, right? You're, you're out there, you're hunting, you're driving, you're looking for stuff, and you know what to look for. Right? I think so. I mean, and again, this world's huge still learning what this is like, I've only known about dusty for like, three years. And so like the amount of knowledge that you can amass in this world is massive dude, so crazy to learn about who used to own Old Crow, what years were good. When did it stop being great? When is it is it making a resurgence? Like all these nuance things that you can figure out about this world is huge. And to me, that's just fun. It's just a fun thing to start studying. And so it's changing really quickly. Yeah. Like, especially some of the smaller distilleries around the nation that are happening. feel like there's no 51:00 More to know than ever. It seems like Yeah. It's just an exciting time to be somebody who loves this stuff. Yeah. So if I remember correctly last night, Andy, when you were on stage, you were drinking bourbon. That's fact. Yes. I mean, you were you're drinking bourbon between the songs like you had I think he had a poor with some some rocks in it or something like did you know I was getting we were both gifted that we were gifted 51:23 some old forester on stage. And before that, I was I was Yeah, and we had Eagle rare. In the cup Eagle rare walking onto stage. We had a good amount of bourbon last night just from people bringing us random poor, which is great. How did how did fans get to know that you all were into bourbon? I don't know if there's a time on stage that Andy or I are not drinking bourbon. And I think it think it became apparent after a few years of us just just constantly in between songs, having people. Yeah, okay. And so I think and then eventually people would buy us Bourbons, and send them 52:00 onstage and we started, we just would say how appreciative we were, and we would drink them, which is also great. And that on top of just talking about it, 52:11 whether it's social media or random interview questions like print interviews when they ask, I mean, again, like I said, it's like, second most touted affinity in myself. And so when it comes to both of us being asked on interviews, what do you into? What are you on the road to stay sane? Aside from drinking, we don't drink this thing saying, Yeah, but it complicated, complicated answer. 52:35 But But in all seriousness, when people ask us what we're into, like, it's one of the earliest things we can talk about, like we like drinking bourbon, we like collecting it. We like trying new stuff, local distilleries, like all that. It's a natural overflow of something that's already cool, that we have loved for years. And so when people caught on to that we are very grateful that they have decided to say like how cool this is a way that I can say, Hey, I like your music. It's given me a lot of solace. Have a pretty 53:00 It all the moments that have like music, your music has been a part of our life for a few years now and we'd like to give back. And a lot of times they choose to give back with sweet hundred proof goodness, we are pleased with that choice I was about to say and kind of tail off on that last one is like when somebody does come and says that, you know, your music has inspired their life, like kind of talk about that, right? Because I mean, this is we're getting a little deep with this, but kind of talk about like, what that means to you all as artists. To be honest with you, man, anytime we get to be a part of a thing that's been healing for somebody. Anytime somebody comes up and says as it happens fairly regularly, now, we've toured enough and we've seen enough cities and met enough people that people get to come up and tell us a story of of a moment in their life that they got through with the helping hand of catharsis and music, and we've gotten to be a part of that. And so anytime someone steps up and says that a good thing resulted in emotionally beneficial thing healing. catharsis happened because of our tunes, and 54:01 I don't know that there's a better compliment you could give our music we a lot of why we write our music is is for that it's our own healing. A lot of the times it's it's pretty often autobiographical. And I know that's not the only way to write music. I mean, in the pop world, you're not looking to write something that's heavy or something that's that's going to be specifically cathartic. Yeah, I think carry on a grand day said, you know, leave your boyfriend for me or something. Yeah, yeah. So, a little is emotionally deep. Yeah. Like, there's a lot of shift, it really can be. 54:32 But the fact that someone else would also feel what we're going through kind of it just as pretty binding for us. It's a really cool thing. 54:39 To although our intention wasn't to be like, we want to write something specifically for other people, because we write it for ourselves to know that other people are also connecting with it is just really, it's a cool bond to have with somebody to be like, yeah, we're, we're in the same thing together a lot of the time. So it's really cool. It's really cool for us when anybody tells us right on absolutely 55:00 And so I guess another thing to kind of tail off on from the last question before then is you know you all are not also discriminated in the whiskey world as well because I think it was a city or two ago you did a shout on Instagram saying somebody sent you some of your favorite cinnamon flavored whiskey. Oh yeah, well let's Let the record reflect a few things one will drink it if it's wet and it tastes decent. We will 55:24 we will say the the honey whiskies we just have had we had too many bad experiences in college can't do it so much honey and few can't do it. Yeah, do not good. It's bad to like I just barely heard before. Okay, good I it's it's very triggering. I get I get like American honey shell shock and it's no good. But for the most part, if it's wet and curiously tasty enough to try we'll we'll do it and somebody said for whatever reason we didn't talk about it. They didn't talk about I think we I think we just 56:00 just mentioned it on a whim, did you? I don't remember. I don't remember doing that sometimes you just they're talking on stage you know and that's fair. We could have rambled and said something about fireball but like four shots of fireball appeared. Oh gosh, and well and four shots later like we were like crossing arms on stage and like newlywed couple shooting fireball and then they flirting with us on the line. Yeah, it was great. It was such a such a 56:26 fireball reached out to us is really great. We never responded to him. We need to offload it back. Don't get there sending us a care package. 56:34 No idea What's in the bag. I hope it's just a huge fucking beach ball with fireball on the side. So take it Yeah. Cool. Sounds great. I think because last night you were talking about like, you know, trying to figure out how do you get sponsorships and you're like, you're like what do these guys actually stand for? Now? I think you figured out what you all stand for total fireball. Yeah. Honestly, it's like bring us your strange it like if you could say like, what's your thesis statement for how you want to 57:00 Like roping your sponsors like who's strange out there who wants to do something really weird? Because we're into that that's great for us. We're we gave a random shout out to white claw and great hopes that they'd flirt back with us. We don't even know to what end we don't we're not asking for anything. It's just like what will they say if we start and I also just want to pit white clog against fireball second half storm of the century baby we say go for the highest bidder go for our affections. You don't care Be it cinnamon popery whiskey or if it be this sweet, sweet blackberry White Glove go Yes, sir. Vodka. There you go. You'll start wearing like fireball jerseys on stage now like when you're going out there. That's okay. We didn't sell out 10 out of 10 would do it but I would only do it if they didn't pay us money. I'm like I'm not getting paid for this. Just want the leather jacket. I just want this jacket because I think it's dope. 57:52 I guess one more thing about the band that I want to ask you because I don't think we ever talked about it back in forecast when we first met is the name 58:00 Penny Sparrow like, Where did the name originate from? And how did y'all come up with it? So when we were roommates, we had one other roommate in our room, and it was way too crowded for all three of us. It was basically bed dresser bed dresser bed dressing. And he was an author or a writer. 58:19 And he wrote under the pen name of Penny and Sparrow, and we were getting started. We used to just go by sports teams, because we Why not? It was nothing was really official for us. So anytime we would play a show, it would be like, Hey, we're the Utah Jazz happy to be here. I read the Dallas Cowboys. And by show he means like when somebody in the community was like, hey, we've got a fundraiser and there's gonna be like 13 needy people. We need we just need somebody to play matchbox. 20 covers and 58:48 we're like, oh, we know Rob Thomas. And so we did that a lot of media by sports. So you go by sports teams, and eventually we did one that was paid out, be it not very much money. 59:00 And so they came up to us and basically we're like, Hey, you can't be a sports team anymore. This is making me look bad. Please don't make me look bad we just pick we please just pick anything that's not Utah Jazz. Yeah. And so our roommate who went by opinion Sparrow, we basically just asked them were like, Hey, can we just use your name and then anything we do in this room will do under the guise of finance barrel? And that's where it just kind of stuck and we just kept it and here we are. We years later doing we picked that name when we saddled ourselves with that we didn't think that this was going to be where we would be no seven years later. Yeah, if we did w

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It’s a dawn of a new day. The secondary market is scrambling to find a new home and we look at the impact this has on bourbon growth. MGP stock prices took a major hit after reports came out that aged stock hasn’t been selling and we look at new competitors in the bulk contract game. Missouri is putting itself on the map having a legally designated bourbon, but are there ulterior motives? With Knob Creek re-instating the 9 year age statement, does it make it one of the best values in bourbon? With all of these coming together, how are brands being perceived? All this on Bourbon Community Roundtable #35 Show Partners: The University of Louisville now has an online Distilled Spirits Business Certificate that focuses on the business side of the spirits industry. Learn more at business.louisville.edu/onlinespirits. Barrell Craft Spirits enjoys finding and identifying barrels that contain distinctive traits and characteristics. They then bottle at cask strength to retain their authentic qualities. Learn more at BarrellBourbon.com. Check out Bourbon on the Banks in Frankfort, KY on August 24th. Visit BourbonontheBanks.org. Receive $25 off your first order at RackHouse Whiskey Club with code "Pursuit". Visit RackhouseWhiskeyClub.com. Show Notes: Reddit AMA with the Russell’s https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/cme0nf/hey_reddit_im_wild_turkey_master_distiller_eddie/ This week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about drinking bourbon how you want. Let's discuss the fallout of the secondary market on Facebook. How do you think the secondary groups will shift? What do you think of the MGP stock plummeting? https://www.barrons.com/articles/mgp-ingredients-stock-aged-whiskey-sales-earnings-51564610232 Is MPG now competing with new distillate like Willet? Do they still have higher age bourbon stock? Let's talk about the new Missouri rules for bourbon. http://whiskyadvocate.com/missouri-bourbon-whiskey-style/ Do you think this will happen in other states? What do you think of Knob Creek restoring their 9-Year Age Statement? http://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com/2019/06/knob-creek-to-restore-9-year-age.html Are Knob Creek picks the best value in bourbon? Is the market oversaturated with Knob Creek picks? Have you seen variances in Knob Creek single barrel picks? How do you perceive brands when they raise prices? Thanks to Blake from bourbonr.com, Jordan from breakingbourbon.com, and Sara from barbelleblog.com for joining. 0:00 Have you held a bottle of bourbon in your hand and wondered how that was made? Sure there is the grains and the barrels and all the science that goes into it. But what about the packages on glass manufacturing, shipping logistics, or purchase orders for thousands of cork stoppers. These are only a handful of things you need to know. But with the University of Global's new online distilled spirits business certificate, you're only a few clicks away learning from industry experts. all that's required is a bachelor's degree. Go to business.louisville.edu slash online spirits. We got the four of us tonight so we're going to like I said a little bit of a skeleton crew but that's okay. Also, just the four of us know Ryan either know Ryan either he's, he's not feeling too We. 0:45 We had it we had a pretty good week. Hey, everyone, 1:00 it's Episode 213 1:01 of bourbon pursuit. And this is a Community Roundtable recording. So we've only got just a little bit of news that we didn't talk about in the podcast. And the first one is there was a Reddit AMA or an asking anything with Bruce and Eddie Russell. There was a lot of talk about the cornerstone rye, which is part of their newest release. But there was one question that came up on the subject of dusty that I found pretty interesting. And talked about if there's any plans to release some older age dated bottles that have a similar makeup or construct a some of the dust sees that they've had before. Obviously, some of the thrill them is that they're no longer produced. And, you know, we've all had a taste of probably try some mid 80s, Wild Turkey, cheesy gold foil and the likes of that. And of course, many of us would like to think that hell that it's never going to happen. No one can replicate dusty, but here's what Eddie said in response to that. He said that there is some stuff development that's as close to cheesy gold foil. As we've gotten since that release. The taste is very similar. Well, that's quite the cliffhanger and that's about the juiciest detail I could find. If you want to read the entire Reddit AMA. You can get the link in our show notes. Today's episode was recorded back on Monday, August 5, which would have been Elmer T. Lee's 100th birthday. We talked a little bit on the show because Jordan gave us a reminder, but what we didn't expect was to see Buffalo Trace distillery, releasing a commemorative bottle in honor of his hundredth birthday. Here's a little information on Elmer that you may have never heard before. On August 5 1919 Elmer t Lee was born on a tobacco farm near peaks mill in Franklin County, Kentucky. Elmer served as a radar Bombardier on the 29 flights with the US Army Air Force in World War Two. After flying Michigan's Japan through 1945 Elmer was honorably discharged in 1940 six. He then earned an engineering degree from the University of Kentucky and graduated with honors in 1949. Upon graduation, he started work at the distillery which back then was known as the George t stag distillery, where he eventually was named General Manager. He worked at the distillery and kind of marking a milestone in his career, he created the first ever single barrel bourbon that was called Blanton's in 1984. He then retired in 1985. Elmer continued to serve as an ambassador for Buffalo Trace distillery, and the whiskey world up until his death in 2013. In honor what would have been almost 100 birthday Buffalo Trace distillery has announced they are releasing a 100 proof commemorative bottling of Elmer t leap, this 100 year tribute single barrel bourbon proceeds from the bottle of this sales will go towards the Frankfurt VFW post 4075 where else 4:00 was a former member. This is once again as you'd think a limited edition one time only release with the same age and Nashville as a standard routinely. But this whiskey is bottled at 100 proof and the suggested retail prices $100. Now, this Roundtable, it goes through a lot of topics where we start from the secondary market Fallout to deciding if bourbon brands care about their market perception. It's it really goes in a lot of different directions and I really hope you enjoy it. But for now, you're done listening to me. So let's go hear from my friend Joe over a barrell bourbon, and then you've got Fred Minnick with above the char. I'm Joe Beatrice, founder of barrell craft spirits, we enjoy finding and identifying barrels that contain distinctive traits and characteristics. We then bottle them a cast rank to retain their authentic qualities for the whiskey enthusiast. Find out more at barrell bourbon.com. 4:54 I'm Fred Minnick, and this is above the char. This morning I made myself a big ol plate spaghetti for breakfast. That's right. I love eating weird things for breakfast sandwiches, steaks, spaghetti, random hot dogs, and so forth. I'm not a guy who typically follows the breakfast train of thought he have to have eggs and sausage. Although if I biscuits and gravy on the menu, it's over. I'm definitely ordering that. And I do like omelets. And you know, I like to play around. But I'm not someone who kind of follows the traditions of various meals. Sometimes I'll want eggs at dinner for example. And the only reason why I tell you this is because I feel like people in bourbon often want permission to drink bourbon a certain way or drink bourbon in the morning, you know before you go out fishing or at lunch when you're out with your colleagues. Bottom line is you drink bourbon how you want to and there are some rules that you should follow like I wouldn't if you spent 1500 dollars on a bottle of bourbon. I wouldn't mix it with coke if you paid $9 for one I would suggest like seeing if you really like it neat in you know, maybe use that as your cocktail mixing bourbon. But there really are no rules you drink bourbon how you want to. I will say that I've also stepped out of my comfort zone with bourbon in the last few years by making bourbon slushies. I think bourbon slushies are so wonderful and they tend to be the kind of wonderful introduction. It's a great way to introduce bourbon to someone who does not necessarily like bourbon or want to drink it neat. So if you have a little bit of time, go check out my bourbon slushy recipe, you'll be able to find it on bourbon plus.com here pretty soon. The irony of course is of just a few years ago, I was making fun of bourbon slushies. So let that be a warning to all of you. Be careful who you make fun of with what they drink is one day, you might find yourself pouring a little bit bourbon with a bunch of ice and lemon juice and sugar and making a slushy yourself. Also try spaghetti in the morning. It's pretty good. And that's this week's above the char. Hey, if you have an idea for above the char hit me up on Twitter or Instagram. That's at Fred Minnick again at Fred Minnick. Cheers. 7:22 Welcome back to another episode of bourbon pursuit, the official podcast of bourbon. This is the 35th recording of the bourbon Community Roundtable. This is something where we get some of the best bloggers and best writers on the scene to come and just talk about what's happening in bourbon culture. And we are chock full with all kinds of things that have been happening in the past three weeks. This is something that we do every three weeks to kind of get caught up on really what's happening with bourbon news. And, you know, we're not going to talk too much about kind of what's on the horizon. Everybody knows that. It's fall season, Fall season means release season. So we might say that one for the next round table after this. But there's a new face of the Round Table tonight. So I want you to Sarah to everybody. So Sarah, welcome to the show. 8:09 Thank you. Thanks. I've been writing a little evil spirits for about, I guess, 20 years now. So I wrote for 15 years at Leo is the barbell and then now I'm over at a inserted level until Wednesday as the culture editor, and that's actually shutting down Wednesday. So if there's anybody in town or outside of town that needs bourbon content, let me know. 8:36 Yeah, she's she's being very, very modest about it. So Sarah havens was like, she was like the bourbon beat writer for Louisville. Like anytime there was a new release a distillery opening or anything like that it by far had the biggest traction that you saw of any sort of local publication. So she did a fantastic job and all her write ups and being able to come with a very journalistic perspective as well. So thank you. Yeah, you're giving yourself not a lot of credit, Terry, you need a little bit more. And so with that, let's go ahead and there's two more familiar faces in here. So you know, Blake, we're going to have you go last because you're you're always 9:18 Jordan, you're up, buddy. 9:19 Sure. This is Jordan, one of the three guys from breaking bourbon. You can find us at breaking bourbon and all the socials. Check out the website breaking bourbon, calm for your latest release calendar and reviews and articles. 9:33 Cheers. Awesome. Fall release seasons coming up. He's going to be a busy man. Very much so but not as busy as this man with his Microsoft paint job. 9:43 Hey, we upgraded they now make a WordPress app for filling in states on a map. So 9:51 they really they do. They've been alive. It's like 9:54 they made it just for you. I know in like a few years ago, I was trying to pay somebody a couple hundred bucks to do. Lo and behold, I found it for free. Even better, because you're in paint on me. So it really, really hurts the release maps. Am I up? Oh, you're up. Okay. I am Blake from bourbon or you can find me usually here every three to four weeks. I'm also bourbon or calm. BOURBO or burbonr.com. All the social medias as well as seal box calm. And we did get cool new seal box hats in. So yeah, I kind of testing out the new logo. And yeah, so maybe I'll give one away by the end or something. Since we're not allowed to do alcohol giveaways on or just we're not on Facebook or Instagram. So 10:47 what? So again right now. 10:50 So check it out. Thanks. 10:52 And I guess that kind of leads us into the first topic tonight is kind of that was the big news. You know, it was actually it was too too roundtables. Beta been three roundtables ago, when we had Craig, one of the admins from the bourbon secondary market, which was the largest Facebook group that was out there had around 50,000 people in it, and they got really kind of the first notice that, hey, things are going to start changing. They tried to change it, they tried to say, okay, we're not going to make this a selling form and try to change the rules. That lasted like three days. And then, about a week and a half ago, there was the the kind of basically the CNN article that went out, broke the news and said, Hey, everything that deals with cigarettes with guns with liquor, everything's gone. And I don't know about you all, but at least in the span of like, 72 hours, like half the groups I belong to, or just disappeared, 11:51 for sure. 11:52 Yeah. And so I guess I kind of work let's talk about the Fallout and kind of what we're seeing in regards of where everybody's going moving to in sort of where everything is, gravitating towards. And since Blake, you have by far probably now one of the largest Facebook groups out there that for bourbon. Is anybody come knock on your door yet? Or is it still kind of like a? I'm still in the clear? 12:17 Yeah, no, we've we've always tried to keep away from that from bourbon or, or with the bourbon or group just because I felt like there were other groups doing it and doing it well. And I there was always that thought in the back of Hey, what if Facebook did decide to care about this stuff. And that's what I think we're seeing now. So we haven't had any issues. But pretty much everyone knows, you know, it's not for buying, selling and trading will still get the occasional post of somebody, you know, they're doing a little fishing. But overall, we keep all that off. So I haven't seen any issues from it. I think it's interesting that, you know, Facebook's deciding to crack down. Buffalo Trace seems to be pretty, pretty outspoken about it as well. You know, but it's just whether you love it or hate it, that's a big part of kind of the enthusiast culture is, you know, even if you weren't buying, selling, or trading, you were still probably in those groups, just watching prices watching what goes on. So that's a big part of the group. And I think we'll get into that a little bit later on some of the MGP stuff. But 13:25 I know that's, that's actual stock markets. 13:29 Sorry, I read that wrong. But no, it is kind of a part of the culture. So it'll be interesting to see where that goes. For me. It's disappointing because you know, whether you had the money or not to buy, it's still cool to see all these old rare bottles in your newsfeed. So 13:48 yeah, I think you're right about that. I think the culture there in just the way that the secondary market have been built around, it is going to take a little bit of a hit. I mean, this is where even people that weren't really into bourbon, they got into it and they see stuff and they become wild and actually kind of almost accelerated the bourbon culture a little bit. 14:05 It's crazy for me why Buffalo Trace hate hates it so much. Because I mean, let's be honest with Pappy Van Winkle really be Pappy Van Winkle if there wasn't a lot of these guys. I mean, it's still be very popular. But how many guys got into it? Because it's like, oh, man, now I could turn around and sell this for profit. And then it just hyped it up even more. And now every article is like, oh, here's the bottle that sells for 20 $300. Well, it wasn't stores, increasing those prices, it was these Facebook groups that were increasing the market perception of it. So 14:41 I think that's going to be interesting too, is even if people didn't trade and they were in those groups, I think they used it to justify buying a lot more bourbon and in their entry into the hobby, quote, unquote, if you want to call it that, I mean, I know a ton of people who have massive collections, they would never sell it. But they always like saying, Oh, my collections worth 20, grand, 30 grand, right? And I'm like, Well, if you're never going to sell it, it's really not worth anything. Right. But I think they were able to justify that because they kept seeing all the all the bottles move on Facebook. So be interesting to see if those folks, you know, go to another platform, find different sites, or if they kind of shrug their shoulders now they go out all right on to the next thing. And I think that's, you know, that's going to be something that's going to take an unexpected, but a bigger see the overall picture of what's going on. 15:30 Sarah, where do you see kind of like how things have shifted, you know, I've seen groups completely changed, like, there's no more buying, selling, there's new, basically, they try to change the name of all the group names. Like that's gonna do it. Like Facebook algorithms are so smart, you know, like, like Blake folded with one or 15:50 Yeah. 15:52 totally missed it, Adam. 15:55 Like, like, Where have you seen people start gravitating towards? 15:58 Oh, I mean, I've been on a lot of those groups, just because I love it reminds me of like collecting and trading baseball cards back in the day. And sometimes you can't always get that bottle that he wants, but you have like, four other bottles that people want. So, you know, I would just kind of use it to trade and stuff. But so I mean, I've seen people flocking to the movie platform. But I do notice that like, it's like probably cut in half. I mean that people might put something up there and there's no comments whatsoever. Whereas on Facebook, you would get instant comments immediately. And it would probably be only up there if it was a good bottle for like five or 10 minutes. 16:37 Even 10 minutes is probably a stretch. I get him a bottle. Yeah, I mean, I'm on the me, we thing now too. And I had to it was just like everything else. I literally had to turn off notifications after like, an hour because like every single new post and I was like, Well, I'm never going to check this now because I go I go to Facebook for my newsfeed, right, I'll go to the Facebook group, I'll go whatever, I'll kind of see what's knew. And that was always one thing that Okay, cool. I'll just see what kind of bottles for sale, but now I gotta go to a whole different thing to do it. So it's, it's going to be tough. You know, I think the I think Sarah kind of you're right there that trying to bring a new crowd over to another platform is, it's always gonna be an uphill battle. And so it's gonna be interesting to kind of see what's going to happen. And at this point, I think people started renaming the groups of things that don't have the word 17:28 bourbon, or liquid or trading or group. 17:34 I think it's, it's interesting to see people's creativity and how to try and get around it. definitely been a week or two. So we'll see if that keeps up. But I do give folks credit, you know, a few different groups that really focus on you know, posting different items. First bourbon, I won't mention what ones, I give them credit for their, for their creativity, that's for sure. 17:55 I think I saw one earlier that said, like, I've got to brown bears for saying that. 18:02 1212 cousins name Weller, 18:06 60 fishes, it'll be go to any of us. It's just like, at some point, you're like, Okay, let's give up on this a little bit. But I mean, there's, I mean, the other thing is, there's there's other platforms, there's me, we, if you really want to do it, there's bottle spot. There's, there's other places that that, you know, you can find stuff, even bottle blue book, you know, we know that people behind their like, nobody will buy your bottles from you. So there's, there's always going to be a market, it's just not going to be as centralized as it once was. Oh, 18:38 yeah. And that's what I was talking to somebody about it, and just, you know, I put this in the chat too, but just the accountability you had, because it was connected to people's Facebook. You know, there weren't a lot of fake accounts. So if something went wrong, you could probably track the guy down and you know, kind of the bourbon mob would be able to take care of a lot of issues that popped up. And you don't have that on the site. Like me, we are bottle spot, which are a little more anonymous. And, you know, you lose a little bit of the trust factor when it goes off of Facebook, which is the disappointing part. Because I mean, you think of how many times how many bottles you see that went or were sold or traded on a daily basis. And how many actual horror stories you heard from people who got scammed or something. It was very small, small percentage. And that's what I think it just opens it up for more of that when you don't have the Facebook accountability. 19:35 Yep. And there was, there was one comment in here. I believe, I can't scroll up and find it now. But there was somebody that said that they didn't really know too much about bourbon until they were introduced into the secondary groups. And that kind of what introduces you to all these other bottles that are out there in the market. That was kind of my first introduction to a lot of this too, is I remember the first time that I was joining this group that I'm not gonna say any names, but when I was into it, I remember seeing like the first bottle of like, will it family state? And I'm like, Oh my god, what is this? Like? How can I get my hands on it? I mean, I went around forever going to try to find it. And I didn't even know the entire time I just had to drive 45 minutes down the road to Barcelona go pick it up. Like it was there was always in the gift shop. So you know, there's there's definitely like there was an educational factor of what this brought to a bourbon consumer. But I think On the flip side, there's also this kind of piece where it says people become a little bit immune to other everyday bottles, because all these see are unicorns and that's all I think are really good. So there is there is a there is a downside to that as well. So, as we kind of like shift focus here, you know, one of the big things that also happened last week was in GPI anybody that is following bourbon is probably listening. This podcast is knowing that it is a huge contract distiller that's out there, and their stock just plummet. This past week, it went from a pretty, pretty good sizable investment, if you're into it about five or six years ago to something where you're like, Okay, probably should think about selling at some point. But whatever it goes, I mean, we're also kind of like in a downturn right now. It maybe if anything, now's a good time to buy. But what happened was is Baron Baron calm, wrote an article and talked about the sales of age whiskey actually fell in the past quarter, at in GPI. And it actually sent the stock down about 26%. Back on Wednesday, July 31. And historically, in GPI has been a big game spirits outfit, like the ALGEO and they decided a long time ago to bet their popularity on building up some aged inventory. In MTP at some points, they were actually getting the the price that they wanted for it nearly three times of their actual cost. But the volumes just weren't there as I'd hoped. And the way this article kind of summed it up was that some customers were having trouble raising the funds to make these large purchases, while others were waiting to see NGP would drop its price. Now, Blake, I'm going to hand this over to you because I know me and you we've seen the MGB priceless before. Do you think this as this is kind of valid, that they really were kind of trying to make it really out of out of the world here that nobody's gonna buy it, if you have the, if you if you don't have the wherewithal to spend that kind of cash? Well, I mean, 22:29 I have no doubt that it's slowed down based on the price list. I mean, looking back, so we bought, it was it was 12 barrels of just under 10 years. So it's nine years. And it was I want to say it was around $3,000 a barrel. Right now the priceless I'm seeing $3,000 a barrel probably gets you like a two year old product. From MVP, maybe, maybe four year old five year old if, if you find the right broker, that kind of stuff. So I have no doubt that people were slowing down on on their buying. And, you know, because you look at the amount of cash that it would take to do because you know, MTP only sells in really big lots, you know, you can't buy five or 10 barrels from MVP, it's got to be, you know, probably a half million dollar buy to buy from them. And so, you know, I just think the appetite for MVP selling probably got a little bit ahead of them and with what people were willing to spend, because then people are doing the math, it's like, all right, how many hundred dollar bottles Can we put on the shelf, because, you know, if we're having to buy at this price, that means our cost is x and we got a retail at at YN. So I imagine there was a slow down. And, you know, who knows? Maybe it is people trying to negotiate or? Yeah, I mean, it is interesting to see that play out on unlike a big scale of a publicly traded company, and, you know, their stock market taking that big of a hit, and one day just from that, but I'm not too shocked at all that there was a little bit of a slow down in there. But overall, I don't think that'll slow down the market, you know, all they have to do is reduce their costs or reduce their price, probably 10 to 15%. And it'll probably pick right back up. And there will still make way more money than they were 510 years ago. So I don't think it's anything but a small bump in the road at this point. 24:36 It Sarah, I'll ask you a question real quick. Because David Jennings of a rare bird one on one just said that in GPS now competing with some good new distillate like will it new riff? Like you kind of agree with that, that the days of you know, thinking that you can just get seven year MVP at a lower price point is is kind of done? 24:56 Yeah, I mean, I mean, we've got like Bardstown bourbon company coming on, I mean, I don't know, that's more for one level up from a consumer or you know, just one dude trying to start a business. But I think more and more competition is coming on the scene. Now, obviously, they're not they're distillate and it isn't as old as MGPS. But if people are willing to wait for the price to come down a little bit, I think I think they should think about that. And like it said, the article said, I think maybe it's talking about it, you know, it's kind of driven people away. So maybe we should just, you know, I thought that was funny. 25:38 shouldn't put all of our secrets out there. 25:41 Thinks what's what's interesting is, if you look at right MGPI stock price, I mean, this really resets, it basically resets all the gains that they made to us. 19, right, because there was a huge, they were building up pretty good in 2018. And then there's a big dip towards the second half of 2018 going into 19, that there's a huge run, and just looks like the markets running figure out what to do with them. Right. I think that a pretty consistent gain up through mid 18. But from here on out, I'm just like in the stock chart, it's it's kind of all over the place, up and down, up and down. Um, so I think the markets trying to figure out what to do with them. I think Sarah's right, there's a lot of new players coming online, right? I don't think they're going to be going anywhere, I think the markets probably trying to see what happens with overseas markets, because that really is the next big area to really put a lot of the source bourbon into. So it's just, it's just buying time and filling it out. But I don't think there's any crisis for them to really worry about per se, if anything, it's probably a good time to buy. 26:36 Thank you. I remember looking at the price list and stuff like that maybe Blake just he's got bigger pockets. And they gave him a better list or something like that. But I remember when I was looking at it, even the stuff that you could get your hands on, like their high right Nashville and stuff like that. It was they only had like, two to three year old age stock like that was really it. Nobody, there was nothing that said, Hey, here's our seven to 10 years stuff like I never saw it. Now, when you want to get into higher ages, they definitely had like corn whiskey, and they had some other stuff, but not just some other regular bourbon mash bill. Blake, did you ever see some of those things of higher ages of just the bourbon stock that they had? That not within the last three years? I haven't. 27:22 And that's what I don't know where it all went? Because obviously they had some 27:29 somebody had some of it. 27:31 But yeah, I haven't seen anything over probably five years. in quite some time. And yeah, so I don't know if they just sold out of it. Or maybe it's the same thing. They're just holding out for that higher price. And you know, I'm it's getting cut a couple times before, you know makes us priceless down to me. So I'm not seeing those prices. But no, it seemed like that all evaporated about two to three years ago and most of the aged in MTP bourbon was gone. So yeah, it is interesting to to kind of see how that plays out. And somebody made another good point in the chat is, you know who they're the distilleries and brands that are buying this. A lot of them were doing it while their own distillery gets ready. You know, somebody like a Traverse City. Let's say new riff there. You know, there's countless others their stuffs ready now? Yes. Smooth Ambler like, so they're no longer relying on it. Now. That's not to say that there's 10 more in line right behind those guys. But you know, eventually you would think it and then you get like a Bardstown bourbon company that's coming on. And they're pumping out a ton of barrels right now castle and keys doing a lot of contract distilling. So so there's a lot of other players in the game. But ultimately, just, you know, how strong is the demand side to pull all that through. 29:06 So but even with all those new players, it's still going to take time for it to come to, you know, to come of age. So it'll be interesting if MGPI actually has more reserved that they're just not showing their hand on and I mean, right now everyone's going right, if you want high age 14, you're going after decal, right? You're going after Tennessee whiskey. And again, there's there's not an unlimited supply of that either. there's a there's a finite amount that everyone can go after so and that dries up either, you know, MGPI has stocks to go for. Or at that point, you're looking at trying to get Kentucky Kentucky distillery to give you some niche stock, but if not, the markets going to be if you have any barrels sitting around, it's gonna be right for the picking. Yeah, 29:44 sir. I'll make you kind of looking at the magic eight ball here because I start thinking about this and I see I see kind of what everything that goes around comes around sort of thing. And so when you look at what happened to the market, where mean if it just not even like go three four years ago, like nobody gave a crap about MZPI everybody used to look at it go in GPI I don't want it and then whatever happened in the past year, six months, whatever it is, like complete one at every single bash it over it. And and now since we have all these new players coming on, yeah, you're going to have this kind of like bulk source market that is Kentucky. It's got that Kentucky name to it. So where do you kind of see like, if anybody's laying down today, and we fast forward five years from now six years from now is MTP is really gonna be able to compete with all these brands are laying down stuff that now says Kentucky on it. 30:40 Right I mean, that's a good question because it's all about marketing. If you think about it, I mean, sure, MTP had knows how to do it makes good juice. But if you want to market your you know, bourbon a Kentucky made product Kentucky bourbon, there's a lot behind that, you know, that MVP can't give you so I think I know it's gonna be interesting necessarily to watch. I think 31:07 that's one thing to think about, you know, think about all the controversy some brands have had because they mislabeled their product because it didn't still didn't Indiana, you know, like the Templeton's and others were kinda adds a little more ambiguity to some source products because of it just says distilled in Kentucky. Who knows where I came from. 31:31 That's interesting. 31:32 Absolutely. And Jordan, we gotta give you a shout out real quick if you just like we come into like a huge batch of Elmer TV because 31:39 it would have been Helmers 100th birthday today. 31:41 Oh, is that what it is? 31:42 Okay, what a turn 100 say so little tribute little shares to Elmer 31:47 Yeah, there we go. Shout out to that. I, I saw him I saw him drinking it. He's got like a case in his background. I was just kind of curious. What was 31:53 this Hello. 31:56 At that if I could get the phone phone call from your local and your 32:00 this is the round tables turning into the secondary market. This is now where it's no 32:06 natural auction. 32:09 Just Just hold up a sign in front of your camera like right now. 32:14 There's a trained auctioneer she's going to tell you 32:20 so so as we kind of like tail off on that last comment talking about like, Where could end up being a few years versus where can talk to me for years, all this other kind of stuff that's coming on the market. You know, there was also something that came out in whiskey advocate this past week that talks about Missouri, is now joining the ranks of Kentucky and Tennessee and actually putting in new legal rules, I guess you could say, to actually have its own silo whiskey, and in this case, bourbon. So according to House Bill 266, that was signed back on Thursday, July 11. Any whiskey labeled as Missouri bourbon must not only meet the federal standards for bourbon, but also must be mashed, fermented, distilled aged and by and the state agent oak barrels manufactured in the state. And beginning in January 1 of 2020. Made with corn exclusively grown in the state. So this law goes into effect on August 28. Now, Sarah, I'll kind of point this one over to you a little bit. Do you see this like as a foreshadowing the effect of we could see other states coming online? I know, we kind of saw this with the Empire right thing before and stuff like that, too. 33:29 I think I mean, right now, every state actually does make a bourbon. Now, Missouri is doing their stricter laws, like kind of like we do, and Tennessee does. I think it's only a good thing to be transparent. And especially they're trying to keep everything within the state. And that on that note helps the agriculture part it helps the they said in the article there was they grow a lot of oak trees so that, you know, their barrels are the best they say, we can decide, agree with that. But they want to make it anything more transparent. I think it's a good thing. 34:07 What about you, Jordan? Kind of get your thoughts on 34:09 this. Oh, this is interesting, right? I think that's a bold move for them to do, mainly because I'm sure I'm sure you can even play. She asked the same question. Countless times a week. Well, if people reach out and say I thought bourbon can only be from Kentucky, right? So I appreciate them trying to trying to, you know, move things forward a little bit. But at the same time, I can't imagine that's going to help anyone by labeling up Missouri, bourbon, because people are just gonna say, Wait a second. No, no, it's not bourbon lessons from Kentucky. Right. So it's great. They want to be state centric. Cool. You know, but no offense, I don't really think that's going to really help anyone. I mean, the good. You know, the good news is local distilleries don't need to choose to label it. Missouri bourbon. But on the flip side, I'm sure eventually there'll be a lot of state grants tied to making Missouri bourbon just making whiskey in the state. 35:00 I mean, you could you could also see this as a as a push for tourism, right? A Missouri trail or whatever it is, like they want to do something that gives a little bit of state pride into into whatever they're doing to 35:14 I think I mean, I think Yeah, exactly. So and I don't think that's a bad thing. Right. Pennsylvania, they recently just launched the the rye rebellion trail, right, the Whiskey Rebellion trail. I mean, so and that's great for Pennsylvania and Scripps in Baltimore a little bit too, but that has a lot of history behind it, like legit history of the whole Whiskey Rebellion, everything else. So it's a little it's a little hard to fathom what type of history they might attach that That being said, if a distillery can come up with some crazy story about the grandfather's recipe, and everything else, I'm sure a steak can come off the story about Wine Trail. 35:49 Yeah, so there was there was a pretty good quote here in the chat. So it came from Blake, first thing he said soon as he started talking about, he said, Oh, I Missouri resident here, I got some thoughts on this. I said, Okay, let's hear it. He goes, the rules do nothing to actually improve the product and the barrel. So I know maybe this is this is this is also just going back to the craft versus everybody else argument. Whereas everything that is coming from the big boys like they've have, they've had time, and they've had stock. And not only that is you've got economies of scale that make it super cheap. So this could be like I said, it might have to be a long play for Missouri to get there. But you know, this is funny when when I talked to Ryan all the time, and somebody says, Oh, you gotta go check out this distillery. It's so awesome. Like, they do this and this, and we're like, yeah, sure, I bet you they ferment some grain of wheat, some corn, and then they probably throw it in a mash tun. And they probably just still throw in a barrel yet, like the process hasn't changed in 20 years. Like we quit giving a shit A long time ago. And so it's it's kind of like, there's there, there's got to be something somewhere where a lot of these states can find that new. I just find find that that angle that is starting to make them. 37:08 Gotta differentiate yourself somehow 37:10 get on the map, somehow just get on the map. I don't know what it is. But maybe this is part of it. I don't know. I mean, Blake, you introduced me to Empire. I like you kind of see this as a move forward for a lot of people in different states. 37:23 Yeah, I mean, but you think how quickly can we burn out on it? You know, we got 50 states that we can everyone can have their own their own bourbon. 37:35 I'm waiting for the Hawaii one to come around. Because I'm going to the barrel pick. Okay. 37:39 I'm heading for that press trip if it comes up? 37:44 Yeah, I mean, it is interesting to see I think it is cool. The Missouri one, I think they've got a little bit with, you know, Cooper edge and everything like that the Empire I, they've done a really great job and making a product. There is some historical aspects best, especially with like, you know, Maryland style rise, Pennsylvania style rise. So it's cool that they designated it brings some more attention to it, and in a little more information, because while we do get a whole lot less of the question, it's still I mean, it popped up for me, like two weeks ago in a comment section of this post I had on seal box. And I was like, Well, you know, bourbon could only may be made in Bourbon County, Kentucky. Like, that's just not right. Like 38:34 that. We're past that. But a lot of 38:35 I mean, the average consumer, a lot of people still think that. Yeah, I go so far as the majority still think about it. I hope 38:43 not the majority, but you're probably right. 38:46 You know, so it is cool. It does kind of give a little more credibility to some of these distilleries. Like Jordan said, I wish there was something that improved the product or 38:57 Yeah, thanks, Jordan. Who said that or no, Clint and Blake, there's another there's another Blake in there. 39:04 Likes always have the most insightful comments. 39:08 But no, I mean, I wish there was something like like a straight days designation estate would do something like that, that says, okay, it's or bottled in bond, you know, something that that has a year state your age statement on it. That really does improve the product where it's cool to say, Yeah, all the the grains, the oak, and everything's from this state, but you know, could still be pretty bad, bad bourbon in those bottles. But it all in all, it's all about marketing. So it gets the name out there more gets more people drinking bourbon. I'm for it. 39:47 I mean, I just think they they took it almost a little few steps too far. I mean, it was literally mash fermented, distilled aged bottled right, Asian oak barrels that were manufactured the state greens grown there. 40:00 Are they gonna do you know, to make it Missouri? You know, I mean, 40:06 well, like I said, I think the part that we're probably ticket, it took it over the edge was like, had to be aged and oak barrels that were manufactured in Missouri, right. Like, there's, we all know that like, 40:16 straight bourbon doesn't Aqua sponsoring that bill? 40:20 Don't talk to trees. OC that Jordan might have something that might be independent state that could have been behind that, right? Because they've got a huge Missouri 40:27 presence. I mean, who really benefits from that, right? So it's going to be it's going to be the barrel manufacturers in Missouri, the people selling trees, Missouri, it's going to be the people growing the grains. It's really meant to benefit the local economy. 40:39 And this is where we get into our hypothesis of things. 40:44 What moves the political? 40:46 Yeah, absolutely. I mean, but like I said, I think, you know, Jordan, you made a really good point there that, you know, it really could be ISC behind that, that really says, like, Oh, this should be a part of it. Because, you know, until I really see getting into this, I didn't really know how many Cooper's we even had really here in Kentucky. And so perhaps there are a few more Missouri that we are kind of not shining the light on. But it's definitely a very valid point that you raise. Yeah, when it comes to it. So as we start moving on here, you know, Blake said something in the last segment really talking about well, if they're going to do something like bring it make it be bottle and bond, but sort of age statement, you got to do something that really kind of Willie wants to make the consumer started gravitating towards it. And this is one thing that is sort of relatively recent that was just announced that it's something that we've been all accustomed to, in the past two years now of basically every label out there losing its age statement. And this is because of the popularity of bourbon and just not being able to keep up with stocks. Nobody could forecast this to ever be where it was, however, beam Suntory came out with a press release saying that knob Creek is going UB restoring its nine year age statement on its on its bourbon. So I'll kind of Jordan like, do you really think that all of a sudden they're like hey, we got stocks. Do you love bourbon? How about festivals? course you do. So join bourbon pursuit in Frankfort, Kentucky on August 24. For bourbon on the banks. It's the Commonwealth premier bourbon tasting and awards festival. You will get to taste from over 60 different bourbon spirits, wine and beer vendors plus 20 food vendors all happening with live music. 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So I think the knob Creek might be a little rare in the fact that it may actually return and may kind of stay the same price for the most part. But what you're seeing as we're noticing is age statements coming back with the price increase or age statements coming back on a limited basis. I'll use limited loose quotes right. So the thing about a heaven Hill took off the six year right it's coming back as a seven year as a higher price point. Right Bazell Hayden last very standard A while back all of a sudden is coming out as a 10 year limited release will see more often. right we're seeing this 1780 more and more. And we're seeing those age statements come back and I'm still waiting for the big one. I know this is just speculation on my part. But I'm still waiting to see Elijah Craig just the standard version come back in more premium looking Bothwell bottles in place that are more premium price point, right, because I can't imagine that heaven hills not thinking about that. Right. But I think we're seeing that it's not the fact that age sucks, you know, appeared out of nowhere. It's a business right and I'm the majority of the bourbon distilleries calculated and play this out really well. Because now people do associate age statements and bottles as being higher, higher quality, more premium, and customers are willing to pay for it. So when those demons do come back, they're excited for right and love it or hate it. It's the reality at least people who are bemoaning the loss of age statements have that option, but it's going to cost a little bit more. I mean, they could have just as easily said hey, we're going to come out with a second 45:47 product line that is nine years at an extra like $15 a bottle and just kept doing there. You know NAS seven right here whatever stuff and just kind of had two variations of knob Creek there. So I guess go ahead Jordan. 46:03 I was gonna say you kind of saw that with a heaven hill with the white label bottled in bond right? I mean, you you had my guess it wasn't bottle and bond the one other one but you had the white label and then you had the aged white label and whatever on talk about a lot. So it's kind of like Well, what's the point of doing the non aged you know, the non HD version? So I think people just if there's two options, people are always going to go for the HTML right? It's it's just economics on that one. 46:26 Yes, sir. I kinda want to get your your kind of take on this. I mean, because we look at the market look at what it is I mean, we had Bernie lovers on the show when right 12 lost it and you know, everybody went ape shit and then you kind of talks about like, you know, this is you know, the bourbon is a bird business not bourbon charity business. And you talked about like, well, would you rather just take it off the shelf completely? Or, you know, just bring it back to whatever it is however there you know, I don't know what beam did to try to sit there and try to find these stocks that did this. But they did it without a price increase. So So kind of talk about your you know, kind of your feelings on this one. 47:08 You know, I think people are tiptoeing around idea of the bourbon bubble and if it's gonna burst or what's going to happen so i think i mean it it's probably a way for them to be you know, more transparent it seemed it seems to be my theme but I mean, it's a it's kind of like a an outreach to their fans to saying hey, you know, maybe we were short on this year but now we were back you know, or it could just be like don't leave us you know, there's so much more on the market we you know, we value you here's your age statement back and I don't know that might be kind of naive thinking but I'm glad they didn't raise the price because I like that 47:53 Yeah, well that's what I mean I think one of the things in the press release was talking about how Fred know said when some he wants to order you know, you're at a bar you want to order a knob Creek you expect it to be nine years now I don't know if that's really what is me it's just that it could just be a blanket statement that was given in sent out of course but that was one part of it. Now one thing that was kind of coming up in the chat was people were saying that knob Creek packs knob Creek pics are the best value in bourbon. Blake I kind of want to get your your ID on that because you know most of them are 10 to 15 years old like is is it really the best value in bourbon you're seeing right now. 48:34 Um, so knob Creek pics for me are a little hit and miss at times I've had some that man I'd almost put them up there with like the Booker's 25th release or something like that and then I've had others it's like wow, this is just like knob Creek off the shelf. So as far as price improve go, I can't think of anyone else that would be better. You're talking about essentially barrel proof 14 years old and 45 $50 a bottle whatever they are, I can't think of one that would be better in my mind. But yeah, I mean all in all, I think the more aged options we have out there the better so that's it's nice to see they brought the the age statement back. I'm actually not going to talk about bakers because I just don't want anyone messing with bakers we're just going to stop dabbling with the design and making payroll and leave it I want the nice Devon Black Wax top sitting on the shelf every time I go in so but no I mean to the original question aside from four roses three to four years ago not Craig's probably barrel pics that is not Greeks probably the best value there is right now. Four barrel pics that 50:02 you know it's funny we look at we look at barrel pics we always talk about barrel pics as being one of the things that you know you don't want to go chase after everything barrel pics is where you want to be. However it seems like this is always one of the ones that are so over saturated in the market and Jordan Did you kind of see that as one of those things that were like there's just so many of them out there like it's hard to just barrel fix knob Creek fix you know it's not one of those things that people go crazy for it's not a seven I say 50:32 that Yeah, I agree and I say that with us having a knob Creek barrel pick out there right now for folks for single girl club right 34 through a partner and it's true people I think people have a lot more readily available knob Creek pics at their fingertips than they then they realized in them they want because most stores will have a knob Creek single barrel out there, but they're pretty easy to get. They may not always be like a 1415 year old but they're pretty they're pretty well established is an easy pick for stores to do. Right and for the most part, it's one of the ones that you just get used to knowing that Yeah, for the most part a few times here I'll be able to go to knob Creek where I'll pick right so the excitement factor I think isn't there as it might be for some of the other barrel pics that people do. I'm sure you guys have seen the same thing with your barrel club pics to that you've done them and Blake the same thing Sarah I'm sure if you have a favorite liquor store that you go into often a little knob Creek barrel pics, they're just one of those things that's not sure if it's oversaturation or so much they're just readily available. Even if it's just one or two, you know, a year or two or three year it's more available than you might see some of the other brands out there that stores are doing similar things for 51:45 it, I'll kind of toss it out to the group too. Because 51:50 I don't think I've ever had a knob Creek single barrel pic that is like blown me away. But I've also like when we've done that I pre barrel pics like you go there or you get the sample shipped to you and your tastes of them. There's not a huge very difference between them like they just seem like they seem very they're all the same as me. I mean, I haven't really found like some that are just like crazy off profile like you have some that are like with Buffalo Trace that are just like you never would expect to this be Buffalo Trace versus some that are very sweet. And you can say that about a lot of different brands out there even new riff being one where you get a bunch of different flavors out of these barrels and stuff like that. I'll kind of toss it out to you all like have you seen like a lot of variants in your in your knob Creek single barrel pics. 52:37 So to me, the beam, kind of that funky beam, pod wet cardboard note always shines through. 52:48 Nothing that's a cell point like that, that Yeah, 52:50 no. Bad. That's why I lead with peanuts. 52:57 But I have had a few that I'm like, wow, this is really good. So you know, I wouldn't say they're all the same. 53:07 But you know you think about other Well, I guess pretty much everyone is using the same Nashville same everything. So beam definitely has a lot more to choose from. So if they're going for a profile, they've got plenty of barrels to pick from to find to put into the single barrel program that are all pretty similar. So but you know, I'll defend them a little bit there and say I've had some that are definitely better than others and some I thought were standouts, but I think if you put really anything beam in a lineup and you knows down the line, you're going to pick that pick that out immediately. So I think that plays a role as well. 53:49 Does anybody else get a little like turned off? Sometimes when they only roll out three barrels for you to 53:55 try travesty? It's a 53:57 Yeah. You're like, come on, I'm better at this like that. That's where you bring your own drill and just start walking. 54:06 Because they love that. Yeah, you if you want to get arrested and never invited back again, that's that's the recipe. 54:16 Alright, so let's go ahead, we'll kind of shift it to maybe one of the last topics for tonight as we start winding this down. But it's, it really plays into really well of that last topic, because, you know, Jim Beam is has done a very, very good job at looking at the market looking at its consumers, and saying, like, hey, let's restore this age statement, we're not gonna raise the price, we're not gonna do anything like that. You know, and there's other brands out there that are handling this in the same exact way. So let's talk about the impact of what brand perception really is. So you've got Buffalo Trace, you know, they stated that they will never raise their prices. You've got heaven Hill who did the exact opposite and raise their prices? I'm kind of curious on on. In Sir, I'll kind of let you kind of go first here like, what do you think is the the brand perception people will have when you have, like, that was an example like that, where somebody is raising prices? somebody saying I'm going to keep them steady? I feel like we're running get into like political debates, like, yeah, like, I'm gonna raise taxes like no, you know, it's, it's kind of like that. So kind of kind of talk about, like, how do you see brands in a certain light when they when they do this sort of thing? 55:35 I'm, I think, at the end of the day, people like what they like, and they're loyal. 55:41 I think I mean, the heaven Hill thing, you know, taking it off the market, and then raising it a year. And putting, you know, raising the price on it. That was a little like, you know, like, come on, you know, I'm brand loyal to you. But at the end of the day, like you guys were saying it's a it's a business. And if people are willing to pay it, then then why not? But I think I still think at the end of day you have your favorite and that's what you're going to go to, if you can find it. 56:11 And I have to kind of correct myself a little bit because makki sick in the chat said, well, BT just raised the prices on OWA. And I was like, Okay, okay, they did do that. Some other kind of lower end brands. Yes. They're I shouldn't say lower end but they're some are more everyday consumer brands. Yes. However, sir, more their premium items. Pretty much thing level field, there there be tax in the package in the world, they're really kind of stay in there for at least as least as far as we know. We'll see when the press release comes out in this fall. 56:40 Yeah, I'd be shocked if they raise those prices more than it'll be up. $10 it'll be what are we at now? They're like, 56:46 9999 Yeah, 56:48 yeah, it'll be up. $10. And, you know, I, it is a It's funny how short our memory is on all this stuff. Because, you know, I feel like we pick on heaven Hill a little bit because they've seemed to have done the most with, you know, Elijah Craig 18. Going away, coming back at $110. More, you know, no, we're not dropping the age statement of Elijah Craig. Oh, there goes the age statement. So we're going to pick on somebody else. So like, Buffalo Trace, they raise OWA prices, higher than well, or 12. There's all this you know, if you look at what the what's going on behind the scenes with a lot of the what these stores have to do to get, you know, Sazerac and Buffalo Trace products in that's to me is almost even worse than some of the other people but everyone has a short memory. Am I going to not buy a bottle of George t stag tomorrow? Because my retailer went in debt buying, you know, weekly vodka so he could get that one bottle? No, I'm gonna buy that bottle. So, you know, it's the whole consumer. Not to say that a lot of these distillers are bulletproof. But there's so many new people coming in, who just don't care or will never know, like, the details of stuff that goes on. I think, you know, the brands and distillers feel that a little bit and they just keep moving forward, they increase profits, they increase expansion, whatever it is. I just want to drink good bourbon. And you know, I can't think of one distillery that's done anything that's like a you know, I will never drink them again because of it. I mean, shoot, I tried Templeton a few months back after swore them off because of all their flavoring and no, we don't flavor and all this stuff. And I was like, as not as bad as I, you know, I was thinking it was terrible, but it's not that bad. So um, yeah, I mean, I think there's just a lot of room for for distilleries to move right now, especially with so many new people coming in. 58:57 I think it's a it's on the flip side, it's a fine line, right. So I appreciate what Buffalo Trace is doing by artificially keeping prices low on some of their products, because you have to remember the world we plan, right? We drink a lot of their spirits. But we'll go back to bourbon most often. But the average consumer you're competing not just for for what they buy in the shelves in the bourbon section. But if you piss them off enough, and they start going to discover other spirits, right? Take a bourbon iOS, and he's really into rum. Or he's really into Armagnac, or he's really into mezcal or anything else. Right? They may not return to the bourbon section anymore. And yeah, you may have actually pissed off that person enough that once they found another spirit at a valuable price, they might just be done with bourbon. So it's that fine line that you have to play of capturing the consumers are entering into the to the bourbon world and are willing to spend money, but also those longtime drinkers who are willing and able to switch spirit categories and don't have the discretionary income to just buy everything everywhere. 1:00:01 I'll buy everything everywhere. 1:00:02 Wow. I mean, we might buy everything everywhere. But you know what I mean? 1:00:06 Is if travel takes the right place, you see the right bottle? Yeah, well, of course. Oh, for sure. 1:00:12 Yeah, go ahead, like whole new market. Because there there was the guys who were just completely rien loyal, where they needed bourbon, they walked in and grabbed a bottle of Maker's Mark, and there was nothing else. And now I think it's a little more people are exploring. So I think brand loyalty that's being built and, you know, kind of the goodwill will mean a lot in the coming years. 1:00:37 I think everybody brings a very valid point to this, because when you look at how brands are handling this, they're all doing it different ways. And I think the one thing that people are the brands have to understand is that this is a long game. If you're if you're trying to go out for the short game, you're only going to succeed in the short game. And if you are trying to make a lasting impression that's going to last for decades, you know, making sure that you know, trying to raise prices trying to do this. Who knows it could backfire. You know, we've talked about on the roundtable before, and I think Blake brought it up that we could just be now experiencing the very beginning of what could be a super super super premium market where there will be a need to have $1,000 bottles of bourbon, like regularly on the shelves. As as we try to compete with scotch and stuff like that. So seeing is how it I don't know. And I look at it from two different angles now that I'm kind of saying and I'm kind of flip flopping on myself. It's kind of like yeah, maybe they should be raising prices. And then the other side of me saying like those bastards, why they're raising prices. But I mean, that's that's that's sort of like the, you know, we're in a very transformative time, I think for bourbon, where we see this massive growth, this massive opportunity. And it's either like, what kind of game you're going to play and in where can you either increase profits a little bit that makes makes you have a little more longevity? versus Where are you just basically taking advantage of the market and saying, I've got a 12 year old NGP bottle, and I'm selling it for $250 a bottle. Yeah. Right. Like that's, that's short term thinking. And so we'll kind of see exactly what how that sort of plays out in the the upcoming upcoming pieces here. But, you know, I think that's going to kind of round out a lot of the questions that we had for the night really looking at exactly the market where it is. I mean, we covered we covered a lot tonight. 1:02:36 knockout topics from there's only four people here. 1:02:41 Say I was like we were bam, bam, bam, bam 1:02:45 GP stock prices, Missouri bourbon knob Creek. I mean, 1:02:51 so it was it was awesome to have everybody on here and even huge thanks to everybody that joined in the chat. I know some people were sitting there saying that, you know, you know, Blake it talks about like, yeah, buy a bunch of boxes, so I can buy that and everybody's like, Hey, 1:03:06 I love I love Wheatley vodka. Like anybody's like this is a safe space. Fred's not here. We could talk about vodka. 1:03:15 We can mention it now that 1:03:17 don't save just remember that. 1:03:21 Absolutely. So as we sort of start closing this out, want to give everybody a chance to say, you know, kind of where they're where they're from, where they blog, everything like that. So Jordan, I'll let you go first. 1:03:31 Yeah, this

Join for this very special episode honoring my Dad — and all of the amazing fathers in our world.   In this episode, you’ll learn:   What it means to be a father Michael’s lessons from the Vietnam war What matters most in life Shannon’s story of coming out to his dad How music has the power to heal and bring us together   Learn more about this episode and Shannon’s Dad at http://www.shannonalgeo.com/podcast/dad-judge-michael-algeo

Paul Algeo PharmD, PA-C discusses how his spirituality and sexuality have lead him to his dream job of providing primary care to the LGBTQ+ community.

It's Halloween! Listen to the first chapter in a chilling saga chronicling the life and times of history's greatest monster, Carson Daly. Check out ghostpartyparty.com! This week's poster is a GIF and was made by the infinitely talented Robert James Algeo. Check out inabsentiapress.com  for more of his work. Song Credit: DON'T MAKE TERRY WAIT by Dr Sparkles licensed under CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 Artwork by Kelsey Henry and Andrew Santoro Edited, Produced, and Recorded by Andrew Santoro and Kelsey Henry

A good climbing partner can be your greatest asset. If you dispute this, it's because you've never had a great partner, and you're just going to have to trust me.  This episode could easily have been categorized as a Not So Average Joe episode, or it could have damn near been one of our upcoming Power Couple episodes. This is because both of these guys still don't quite understand what their capable of, and it's unlikely they would have yet reached their current level without the other on the belay.  I've worked with both Scott and Tyler for quite some time, and I'm damned proud of the work we've done. We all sat down together in Cincinnati to discuss the ins and outs and ups and downs of being climbing partners. What it means, how to recognize it, and how to cultivate it. We walk through a season that for both of them has been paradigm shifting.  They are two opposites who have built something that both can stand on to reach further, and are eager to continue learning and improving. While Tyler is the more analytical of the two, both analyze every detail of their climbing days and talk it over. For the comparison videos mentioned in the episode, go HERE.  To hear the rest of our conversation, and to support the podcast, become a Patron at www.patreon.com/powercompanypodcast  You can find us online at www.powercompanyclimbing.com  We don't tweet. We scream like eagles.   

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Author Matthew Algeo (Last Team Standing: How the Steelers and the Eagles – "The Steagles" – Saved Pro Football During World War II) joins Tim Hanlon all the way from Maputo, Mozambique to discuss the marriage of convenience that literally saved the National Football League from collapse in 1943.  Algeo describes how a desperate Art Rooney scrambled to save his Pittsburgh Steelers franchise, depleted by wartime military call-ups; how a hastily assembled squad of ragtag draft rejects practiced football at night while maintaining defense jobs by day (including one player who worked on the eventual war-ending Manhattan Project); why the “Phil-Pitt Combine” wore Eagles colors and played more home games in Philadelphia than in Pittsburgh; and, in a PODCAST EXCLUSIVE, why the story of the Steagles just might soon be coming to a theatre near you.

Dave Algeo, self-styled Stressed Guru works with teams, leaders and individuals to develop resilience and wellbeing.  He speaks and trains hundreds of people each year and is renowned for providing culture and mindset shifting results in public and private sector organisations.  Dave has written a number of books including  Mastering Negative Stress The Book of Calm From Alan to Helen - A journey through time and gender and has a guided relaxation audio entitled "The Time-Out Toolkit" Dave is offering listeners an exclusive time-limited chance to receive both his "Emergency Stress CPR" e-book giving his six steps to less stress and his book "Book of Calm" ebook worth $9.99 free, by clicking her www.timeouttoolkit.com (http://www.timeouttoolkit.com) Favourite Book: www.geoffnicholson.co.uk (https://www.noodlesoft.com/)  or on the following social media links YouTube (http://www.twitter.com/gncoach)

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Welcome back to another episode of Cage Side Submissions,Brought to you by Future Legend Apperal We plan to  provide you with unique and fun-filled SHOWS. News, highlights, and interviews Please feel free to call in with your questions and comments at anytime. 657-383-0267 For our Host Steve Rychel (@CSSRadio) And Host Rachael Blaze (@RachaelBlaze) Tonight We Will Feature Fighters from March 19th CFFC 57 Event  Our First guest is Woman's Featherweight Andria Wawro 3-3 (@AndriaWawro) Andria is Slated to return to the CFFC Cage after a three years absance Against Bobbi Jo Dalziel Our Secind Guest is Undefeated CFFC Flyweight Champion Katlyn Chookagian 6-0 (@Blondfighter)Katlyn is slated to defend her title against Stephanie Bragayrac Our Third Guest is Featherweight Title challenger Bill "Honey Badger" Algeo 7-2 (@DntMesswithBill) Bill will be taking on current CFFC Featherweight Champion Jeff Lentz  Our Fourth Guest is CFFC Middelweight Tim "the South Jersey Strangler" Williams 11-3 (@TimWilliams185) tim will  be headding back to the CFFC Cage against Jorge Luis Bezerra And Our Final guest is the Voice of CFFC Brian Palakow (@2_Palakow)

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When he's not writing his own biography in the third person, Matthew Algeo writes about unusual and interesting events in American history. His latest book is The President Is a Sick Man (Chicago Review Press, 2011). His previous book, Harry Truman's Excellent Adventure, was named one of the best books of 2009 by the Washington Post. Algeo is also a journalist. He has reported from three continents, and his stories have appeared on some of the most popular public radio programs in the United States. In addition to reporting and writing, Algeo has held jobs as a convenience store clerk, a gas station attendant, a Halloween costume salesman, and a proofreader. He also worked in a traveling circus (as a hot dog vendor; no acrobatics involved). His website Click HERE In the 2-3rd went over Mount Tambora news along with the Last Pope. Last half hour, Pastor Jacque McDaniel of Worship International Church will be with us to give his testimony in regards to his illness he suffered back in the 1990's. Pastor McDaniel was a successful business man until a sudden change happened. He was struck with a severe illness and mysterious illness that left him helpless. The Doctors were unsure if he suffered from M.S, stroke, or a virus. This illness impaired his vision and mobility. As of a result, he could not put on a pair of pants, shave, and he wore a patch over his right eye. His website Click HERE His new BTR Show Click HERE To Donate Click HERE  

The Boustrophedon-Plummerfeld Hypothesis and Futurological Linguistics; by Jay Trones; From Volume CXLVII, Number 2 of Speculative Grammarian, February 1993. — Recently I found myself "fortunate enough to find such occasion" (Pyles & Algeo, P.46) as to weasel the word 'boustrophedon' into a conversation. After having expounded on the many joyous properties of this word, I entreated my fellow conversational participant to remember the word, and attempt to become one of those few and proud who have used it casually in non-academia. In a subsequent discourse with my native English speaking informant, I asked her to recall the illustrious word. Her response was 'plummerfeld'. (Read by Josephine Whitford.)