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Explore why engaging in difficult conversations is a pivotal element for sustaining successful business partnerships. Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell share valuable insights and personal experiences, highlighting the importance of clear communication, commitment, and dealing with partnership red flags in today's recap episode. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:The importance of scheduling lunch breaks to ensure work-life balanceHow to leverage your strengths to propel your business forward.  Why clear communication is key to a thriving business partnership.Learn how to redefine your brand by presenting your authentic self online. Why it's crucial to check back in with your actual goals regularly.Episode References/Links:OPC Tour Email ListGet on the waitlist for eLevate Round Four  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Join us at our Cambodia Retreat - Oct. 8-13, 2023Get your free Athletic Greens 1 year supply of Vitamin D3+K2 and 5 free travel packsGet your discount for some Toe Sox using the code: LESLEYBe It Till You See It Podcast SurveyBe in the know with all the workshops at OPCBe a part of Lesley's Pilates MentorshipFREE Ditching Busy Webinar ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan [00:00:00]:It's all communication. This is why I keep saying it's a partnership and your business is like a marriage. You have to do the exact same thing before you marry someone. These are the exact same things you have to do. But I think so many people are afraid of looking dumb or like they know what they're doing, or they get caught up in the excitement of what the business could be. And it's like, you got to sit down and just go, okay, down and dirty. Like, how deep am I going to get into this? How deep are we both getting into this before, like, we go, this isn't working.Lesley Logan [00:00:30]:Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast, where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world, and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and be It till you see it. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan [00:01:12]:Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap, where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the captivating convo I had with Kristen Crowley and Jill Bunny in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to go back now and listen, or listen to this one and then listen to that one. You can go in any order you want. (Brad Crowell: You can.) You really can. It is your own adventure and we want to support that, but they're pretty bunch badass bitches, so you should listen to it. Today is October twelveth at the time that you're listening to this. We are in the midst of our retreat this year, so we are in Cambodia. We should be out at the temples today, like, living our best life up, (Brad: Loving it.) which is so exciting.Lesley Logan [00:01:51]:And that also means today is World Arthritis and World Sight Day, both important things you should know about. So, first of all, arthritis is real, so go get yourself checked out and do the things you can do to avoid the heck out of them, like getting stronger. And the World Sight Day, I didn't actually look up what that means, but make sure it's seeing well. Like, do I need to go to the eye doctor today? Is that what it's telling me to do?Brad Crowell [00:02:17]:World Sight Day.Lesley Logan [00:02:18]:You want to know something funny?Brad Crowell [00:02:22]:Observed every year. What's funny?Lesley Logan [00:02:23]:Well, I got lasix when I was 30 and everyone said, that's so dumb because at 40, you're going to need to have reading glasses. And I want to let you know right now, you guys, I'm 40 and I do not need reading glasses. So, go Lasix.Brad Crowell [00:02:37]:That's true. It is a day first initiated by Lions Club International Foundation during their site first campaign in an effort to spread awareness about preventable blindness and help people who are visually impaired.Lesley Logan [00:02:49]:Oh, well, then go to schedule your doctor's appointment to prevent blindness. I think that's genius. I didn't know that. That's great. Wonderful. Gaia, we think is probably blind. She did she did bark at a bolster. It's okay.Brad Crowell [00:03:06]:She just sat up. She can hear just fine.Lesley Logan [00:03:09]:She can hear just fine. It's believing. Here we go. So, yes, we are in Cambodia next year. We will be back here in Cambodia in October. So you'll want to be on the waitlist to make sure you get to sign up and get the Early Bird special. So you'll want to go to Lesleylogan.co/retreat to enjoy what's coming up in January. So in January, we'll open up the doors, but you want to be on the waitlist to hear about those doors.Lesley Logan [00:03:34]:Then I come back. I go to Chicago with Erika Quest to do a weekend of workshops at Club Pilates and St. Charles. St. George. St. Charles Street, I think.Lesley Logan [00:03:47]:Anyways, we're going to be in Chicago at a Club Pilates teaching some workshops. If you want to see if there's any spots left, DM me, because there's not a lot of spots ever. So you'll want to DM me to get that information. In December, Erika Quest and I will be back at a Club Pilates in Frisco, Texas. And then I come back, and then we pack up the van, and Brad takes me on a tour that he keeps threatening is not going to ever end. And I keep threatening to say, but I have a girl's date, so you got to get me back here in time for my New Year's Eve.Brad Crowell [00:04:16]:But we'll be back in Frisco, Texas.Lesley Logan [00:04:18]:We'll be back in Frisco, Texas, right after we've done this before. Frisco. You always bring it. And so (Brad: So fun.) We can't wait to celebrate the end of the year with you, as well as the beginning of the end of the year with you. So if you want to hear about the tour, make sure you get on our email list. Just in generalBrad Crowell [00:04:34]:Go to opc.me/tour.Lesley Logan [00:04:37]:Yeah and you'll hear all about the tour. (Brad: Oh, yeah) because it's epic, and there's, like, really cool things that are happening you wouldn't want to miss out on, because you'll miss out on those epic things. And then in January, I do kick off eLevate round four. And if there's any spots left, you are going to want to apply, because 2025 will be the next time that I run it, and that's a long ways away in my world. So go to lesleylogan.co/elevate. That'll get you on the waitlist. But if you actually want to get in on 2024, DM me and I will chat with you. We'll see if this is the right thing for you.Lesley Logan [00:05:11]:We are so, so excited. Some people, like I said last episode, call it a game changer. And those people would be eLevate members, multiple of them. They told me it's game changing. And I'm like, yeah, eLevate. Game changing. Love the tagline.Brad Crowell [00:05:24]:Love it.Lesley Logan [00:05:25]:Before we talk about Jill Bunny and Kristen Crowley. I just want Jill Bunny's name. I'm just going to be really honest. I want it. (Brad: It's a name.) I want to know. I have so many questions about that.Brad Crowell [00:05:36]:If it was like she nicknamed herself.Lesley Logan [00:05:38]:But I don't think I don't. I don't think so. Especially after my brother sat there and read every baseball player name off to us. And I was like, really? Someone named their kid that oil win something.Brad Crowell [00:05:52]:Anyways, what if she had a brother named Jack?Lesley Logan [00:05:56]:Jack Bunny and Jill bunny.Brad Crowell [00:05:58]:Yeah.Lesley Logan [00:05:59]:Well, like, just Jack and Jill.Brad Crowell [00:06:01]:Well, Jack Rabbit bunny.Lesley Logan [00:06:04]:Oh, I see. I was thinking of Jack and Jill. I wasn't thinking of Jack Rabbit.Brad Crowell [00:06:07]:I like the Jack and Jill, too.Lesley Logan [00:06:08]:Because also it makes me think of those houses where they have a bathroom in between, two bedrooms for siblings to share, but the sink is always too low.Brad Crowell [00:06:17]:I'm sure she's heard that before.Lesley Logan [00:06:19]:I'm sure she heard all of this. I'm sure she's like, can we get to talking about me? Yes, we will, in just a second, Jill Bunny, because you're a badass. But first, we have an audience question.Brad Crowell [00:06:27]:Yeah, we do. The question was, do you actually schedule your lunch break?Lesley Logan [00:06:33]:Fuck yes, we do.Brad Crowell [00:06:34]:Yeah.Lesley Logan [00:06:34]:Did we always?Brad Crowell [00:06:36]:No, we didn't always.Lesley Logan [00:06:37]:Well, I did. When I was teaching, I always had a break in the middle of the day.Brad Crowell [00:06:42]:I did not.Lesley Logan [00:06:43]:You've never ever.Brad Crowell [00:06:44]:I've never been good at this except for, well, the last couple of years.Lesley Logan [00:06:46]:Sometimes at 02:00. Brad's like, I haven't eaten yet today. And I'm like, are you an adult? Are you hungry? We need to have a reminder.Brad Crowell [00:06:57]:I don't usually eat breakfast.Lesley Logan [00:07:00]:I know you really don't. But at any rate, I have always had a lunch. Now I have scheduled lunch because we work at home together, and if it's not scheduled, then one of us will interrupt the other person's work break. So we just take at the same time.Brad Crowell [00:07:13]:Yeah. And that's nice, actually. It's a lot of fun.Lesley Logan [00:07:15]:Yeah. Sometimes you make me lunch.Brad Crowell [00:07:17]:It happens. Definitely. But the reason that we do that is because if I didn't put it in my calendar, it wouldn't happen. I would just never take a lunch.Lesley Logan [00:07:27]:That's everything, you guys. If you don't put it in your calendar, it doesn't get done, period.Brad Crowell [00:07:31]:Yeah. So that's legit. Definitely scheduling your lunch break. It's worth it. You'll enjoy it.Lesley Logan [00:07:37]:And look, even if you don't, you're like, guys, I'm not that hungry. I can eat when I'm on the road. Our doctor, Dr. Bender, shout out to her. She, with both of us, is like, you have to sit down and just eat your lunch. Like not be on your phone, don't listen to a podcast, which we still do, but just not reading something for work, but just sit and eat your lunch and let it digest. And so we have a whole hour blocked off for lunch, every workday, and we can do whatever we want in that hour.Lesley Logan [00:08:10]:We can play around for half an hour and then eat lunch. We can eat lunch and then walk around the block or whatever.Brad Crowell [00:08:16]:Or you can make a really extravagant lunch that takes 45 minutes to make.Lesley Logan [00:08:20]:He does that a lot. He does that a lot. Or you can go and go, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to drive across town to get that coffee that would go great after this lunch right now, even though I can make that latte.Brad Crowell [00:08:33]:She does that a lot.Lesley Logan [00:08:34]:I do. But there's something luxurious about it. And here's the thing. There are times to hustle and to another shout out to Kareen until it comes a hassle. And you have got to take time for yourself and not just in the morning and not just at night, but different parts throughout the day. And lunch is very important. The only day we don't have lunch together is on Tuesdays because I have a fly session after my lunch, technically, so I have lunch after that. But you've made it for me before and we just put in the fridge and I'll eat it later.Lesley Logan [00:09:05]:So, yes, schedule your lunch break. You matter.Brad Crowell [00:09:09]:Okay, now let's talk about our guests,Kristen Crowley and Jill Bunny. As co-entrepreneurs I was just going to say copreneurs. As co-entrepreneurs, Jill and Kristen present a harmonious balance of analytical and creative approaches to business. Both promote building genuine online brands using their backgrounds to help women grow their brands. The name reFRAME became symbolic of their adaptability and resilience in the business landscape and they laughed and said the name just stuck. And that is like officially the name of their business. And what they actually focus on are events and retreats.Lesley Logan [00:09:49]:Yeah, I really loved a lot of what they said, it was actually a really fun conversation. They're really one of the few partnerships and I'm like, okay, they can work together as we've just seen too many partnerships not work out. They really understand each other and their strengths and everything. So I love this. Jill mentioned confidence comes over time and that just because you have a business doesn't actually mean you are a business owner. That kind of also comes with time. And I think that's really interesting because first of all, I think there's a lot of people going, oh my God, I don't want to be a business owner, but like fell into this business and also you don't know what you don't know. So you're kind of flying by the seat of your pant, moment to moment, trying to figure things out.Lesley Logan [00:10:33]:And then over time, you get confidence, like, oh, I've seen this problem before. And it's really like those after that first year or so, you really go, okay, I got this down, okay? It's not going to blow up on me. And I've got some ideas. So I think that that was really cool. So she said what we have to do is put the reps in and the time in and be proud of what you're good at. And I just thought, what a great thing to highlight, just be proud of what you're good at. Too often people are like, oh, I don't want to brag about what I'm good at because some people are going to think I'm overconfident or weird or whatever. And it's like, actually no, you should be really proud of what you're good at because we're not good at everything.Lesley Logan [00:11:10]:And so the things we're good at are like going to propel the business forward and the things we're not good at, we're going to hire out.Brad Crowell [00:11:15]:Yeah, I think that it was interesting just to hear them talk about how they connected with each other and how it became like obviously kindred spirits. And we often tell people not to partner up with people, but I know part of the conversation, you talked about it being like a marriage, which we've talked about here before on this pod, but they totally agreed and they both came from businesses before and partnerships before in different ways and it just seemed to make sense. It seemed to click for them. So I thought that was really interesting.Lesley Logan [00:11:56]:Yeah, well, I mean, just to jump into your side of things, they said you need to make sure that your partner has the same moral compass. And I think that is the same as your partner in life, but really that makes a big difference. And I think a lot of people partner up in business and they both want the thing to grow and they don't want to do all the work alone, which is why they do it, but they don't actually have the same moral compass. In fact, in Agency Mini, this one person was like, hey, should I partner up with this studio owner? And I'm like, you mean the studio owner who's illegally got you classified as not an employee and is, in your words, squandering? No, you should not. You should not because that's not the same role compass.Brad Crowell [00:12:40]:Right. Yeah, totally. I'm glad they talked about partnerships, like how that works because they said that the thing that was really important was sitting down and being crystal clear with each other about things. Like number one thing was money. Are we both putting our personal money into this? Are we raising money from somewhere else? Like, how are we doing this? What are our expectations and how is this going to work? And they both agreed on the way that it would work and effectively being transparent about their personal finances just in case something didn't go the way they expected, could they continue to keep it going? And they effectively made a financial commitment to each other, and then they agreed on they understood, okay, cool. This is where we're at. They said, specifically because at the end of the day, everyone has to be on the same page.Lesley Logan [00:13:34]:Well, here's what I love. It's all communication, and this is the same thing.Brad Crowell [00:13:37]:It really is.Lesley Logan [00:13:38]:This is why I keep saying it's a partnership and your business is like a marriage. You have to do the exact same thing before you marry someone. These are the exact same things you have to do. But I think so many people are afraid of looking dumb or like they know what they're doing, or they get caught up in the excitement of what the business could be. And it's like, you got to sit down and just go, okay, down and dirty. Like, how deep am I going to get into this? How deep are we both getting into this before we go? This isn't working. You have to have the exit strategy as well, because you do have to think, what if this doesn't go well? Who gets what? What happens here? And I learned that from oh, my gosh, a podcast I listened to ten years ago.Lesley Logan [00:14:19]:These two girls became friends on Facebook or whatever. They both did similar things. They partnered up and had an amazing podcast. It was one of the top podcasts at the time for women in business. And they decided to eventually actually make a membership together, which would be the first thing, except for the podcast, where they actually made money together. And they brought on their lawyer, and they said, we sat down with a lawyer and we said, what do we need to talk about before we do this? And she said, we should talk about what happens if one of you doesn't want to do this anymore. We have to talk about how this ends, what are the different ways it could end, and then what happens? And that was such an interesting thing to hear, because no one wants to talk about, like, well, how does it end? But you have to think about it so that if you do need to walk away, how much does each person get? How much do you have to pay to get out of it? Or how much should you get paid to get out of it? So I really enjoyed listening to the fact that they talked about the money. They were very clear on things, and they got very vulnerable about what the states of their personal lives were, because guess what? Your personal life comes into your business all the fucking time.Brad Crowell [00:15:30]:Yeah, totally.Lesley Logan [00:15:31]:All the time.Brad Crowell [00:15:32]:Totally.Lesley Logan [00:15:32]:If anything's going on with one of our family members and they call us the middle of a workday, you better believe it fucks the day up. So I just thought it was really nice, honest conversation.Brad Crowell [00:15:42]:Yeah. And they talked briefly about some red flags, and that was basically hiding things and not being communicative or not being as committed to the vision. And they said, definitely partnerships shouldn't be formed out of desperation. A good partner should push for growth and also keep one on track.Lesley Logan [00:16:08]:Can we just highlight, partnerships should not be put together out of desperation. So if you are having someone partner with you because you're desperate and you need help in your business, that is not the best time to get a partner. You need to take a pause and really understand what you're doing because you'll partner up with someone who you think is a lifeline, and then it just really changes the roles and you don't think through things clearly.Brad Crowell [00:16:34]:Yeah. I do think that if you are going to bring on a team member or a partner, it should be someone with complementary skills, skills that are not your own, so that you're not both trying to do the same things. But yeah, like making a partnership out of desperation is dangerous. (Lesley Logan: Yeah.) All right, so finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Kristen Crowley and Jill Bunny? They said when it came to understanding and presenting your authentic self online rather than imitating others. So this is actually really similar to what we were just talking about with a PR person in the last episode, because what their retreats are all about is rebranding your brand. So if you're stuck, you're not feeling like you know what you're doing with your brand, then they offer these events where you can dig in over a couple of days, or some of them are just day retreats and really analyze your social media presence and the way your brand looks and all these kinds of things. And so when they're talking about presenting yourself authentically we're reiterating this here, people, because they said building a brand is about knowing who you are and who you're serving, and then you're going to structure everything around it, around your story, and then the problems that you're solving for the people that you're serving.Lesley Logan [00:18:08]:I love this is back to back with Whitney Lee.Brad Crowell [00:18:09]:It's kind of crazy.Lesley Logan [00:18:10]:You did a good job there. So I actually really enjoyed the action items that Jill talked about because she's like, I'm Jill 2.0 and she is, like, checking in throughout the day if what she's doing is aligned with her, with the 2.0. So all these things that she wants are the actions that she's taking, align with that, not just writing them down and going off onto the day, but really checking back in. So it's not just about journaling, so you feel good about yourself, but actually going, okay, where am I at in alignment with what this is? Am I actually doing those steps that get through there. And it made me think of Alan Stein Jr. Jeez. His interview from the beginning of this year just keeps on giving, and his whole thing is he ends every single day. Like, am I 1% closer to the man I want to be? And it's like, how can you find time in your day to check back in with your actual goals and just really understand, like, okay, today I did these things, and they had nothing to do with 2.0, in fact, I like, went backwards, and just being honest with that.Brad Crowell [00:19:12]:Episode 167.Lesley Logan [00:19:13]:167. I was not going to get that because I don't remember what the year started. But that's my fault. Maybe I should study.Brad Crowell [00:19:20]:It's all good. You're fine.Lesley Logan [00:19:21]:I know, but I want to be like that guy who's uncrooked, who he can go Oscar winner director, 1973. And he's like, DA DA DA DA. And I'm like, no, maybe I don't have that skill. But be it till we see it. Right. So, anyways, I think it's really important to check back in, whether it's a vision board or a journal or a goal, just making sure each day it's like, look at that and go, yes, I'm still on track. Or go, oh, wow, I got a little derailed today. Little derailed.Lesley Logan [00:19:52]:And what can you do to just get back on that I just thought was a really fun way of reflecting on where we're trying to be so we can be it till we see it.Brad Crowell [00:20:01]:I love it.Lesley Logan [00:20:02]:Me too. I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell [00:20:03]:And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan [00:20:04]:Thank you so much for listening to this amazing podcast. We couldn't do it without you. So what are you going to do with these tips? How are you going to use them? What was your favorite part? We want to know. Tag, jill Bunny and Kristen Crowley and the Be It pod. And let us know and share this with a friend who needs to hear that they can reframe, that they can start over. They can do awesome things. Maybe that friend is you. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell [00:20:25]:Bye for now.Lesley Logan [00:20:26]:That's all I've got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It.Lesley Logan [00:20:50]:Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of the Bloom Podcast Network.Brad Crowell [00:20:57]:It's written, filmed, and recorded by your hosts, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan [00:21:02]:It is produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.Brad Crowell [00:21:04]:Our theme music is by Ali At Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan [00:21:13]:Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating visuals and Ximena Velazquez for our transcriptions.Brad Crowell [00:21:18]:Also to Angelina Hiraco for adding all the content to our website. And finally to Meredith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Ever wondered about the magic behind authentic PR? Dive in with Lesley and Brad as they unravel Lesley's insightful conversation with PR expert, Whitney Lee! Explore the world of genuine connections and discover the charm of organic engagement in this recap episode.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Learn to tailor PR strategies to align with your unique market.Grasp the importance of valuing facts over emotions in PR narratives.Discover PR's crucial role in sustaining brand relevance.Find out how to attract people who resonate with your vibe.Episode References/Links:Cambodia Pilates RetreateLevate Mentorship  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Join us at our Cambodia Retreat - Oct. 8-13, 2023Get your free Athletic Greens 1 year supply of Vitamin D3+K2 and 5 free travel packsGet your discount for some Toe Sox using the code: LESLEYBe It Till You See It Podcast SurveyBe in the know with all the workshops at OPCBe a part of Lesley's Pilates MentorshipFREE Ditching Busy Webinar ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Brad Crowell 0:00  Authenticity, right. And this idea of authentic, you know, I feel like it's overplayed, but but the way that she talks about it, you know, it's important to just be yourself, you have to be you and what it will happen organically is that you will attract people who appreciate your vibe, your personality, your nature, your you know, bubbliness or, you know, and vice versa, you're actually going to be turning away people who just don't vibe with you. Lesley Logan 0:00  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:20  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It Interview Recap where my co-host in life Brad and I are going to dig into the pragmatic convo I have with Whitney Lee in our last episode. If you haven't yet, listened to this episode yet, you should go back and do that. Because Whitney Lee is a badass. She also just won some awards in Florida where she's like, of the women to know and the girl can dress I'm just gonna say it. So we love Whitney. Before we get into the interview, today is October 5, which is two days after Brad and I celebrate our wedding anniversary of eight years.  Brad Crowell 0:50  What? Holy cow.Lesley Logan 0:51  I could be wrong on the (inaudible). I'm pretty sure I'm dead fucking right.Brad Crowell 0:55  Yeah, you're right. Lesley Logan 0:56  Anyways, we used to wonder if it was October 3 or October 5 was our anniversary. We're pretty clear it's on the third. Brad Crowell 1:02  Yeah, it was on the fourth. Yeah. Lesley Logan 1:05  We really hope it was on the third. Brad Crowell 1:06  It was the third it was the third. Lesley Logan 1:08  It's in our calendar guys don't worry (inaudible). And today is the only two days after our eight year wedding anniversary. It is World Teachers' Day and also World Meningitis Day. And because I thought both these are so important for you to know about first of all celebrate the teachers in your life and many of you are listening to this podcast so I celebrate all of you. (Brad: Yeah) And by the way, if your parents did not freak the fuck out of you about kissing someone wrong in college and getting spinal meningitis today's the day someone tells you don't kiss the wrong person. You could die.Brad Crowell 1:45  I've never heard of this. She said it to me, I was like what are you talking about? (Lesley: I was warned) I thought you've got, I thought you got like what was the what was the sickness that you got (Lesley: Mono) I thought you got Mono from kissing people in college.Lesley Logan 1:56  I got Mono before I'd ever kissed someone and you would not believe how much I had to convince my parents. I did not kiss anybody to get mono because all the fucking old wives tales had them convinced I must admit that was someone at any rate, I don't believe in injuries to just come from kissing a frog. I do believe it does come from like college shit dorm room so watch yourself. And if you're not in college, wash your hands. Okay, (Brad: Wash your hands) Everyone should just wash their hands. Brad Crowell 2:21  Yeah, college is a pandemic is what she's basically saying. Lesley Logan 2:23  Well life is I mean it's got a lot of shit going on. But at any rate, washing your hands is never a bad thing. (Brad: It's never a bad thing.) Unless the water is (inaudible). Okay, so we are currently in Cambodia (Brad: Believe it or not.). So this is recorded ahead of time obviously. We are in Cambodia. Our retreat starts in a couple of days we are so excited. (Brad: Oh man.) eality is is that if you're wanting to come to the next retreat, we're only doing one next year (Brad: Only doing one.) So here's the deal we're gonna open up the doors for the early bird special toBrad Crowell 2:54  Open up the doors. I'm just your hyped man today.Lesley Logan 2:56  Okay, only those on the wait list. Oh my god, it's a really bad (inaudible). (Brad: Oh, wow.) Seriously though, if you're on the waitlist, you'll get the early bird special. So you want to be on the waitlist Lesleylogan.co/retreat will get you there. We will be opening the doors in January for you to sign up. The space is limited because the reality is we only have so many rooms in our house and so many rooms in our neighbor's house. (Brad: It's true.) It's not their house. It's like It's like actual bed and breakfast. But at any rate, and there's only so many seats on Brad Crowell 3:30  We call it the guest house there. We don't call it a bed and breakfast. (Lesley: They got a guest house.) Yeah, there's a guest house.Lesley Logan 3:36  So yeah. (Brad: November )Yeah. So then November when I get back when we get back from Cambodia. We have Nashville for our own personal stuff. No, I'm not teaching. I love you Nashville. We'll talk. Then I'm going to head to Chicago to meet up with Erika Quest. The very first weekend of November. We're teaching at the Club Pilates on St. Charles. And if you are wanting tickets to that, as of the recording of this episode, we actually do not have the public link for you yet. So you want to just DM me to see if there's any spots left. And then it's Thanksgiving. So you know, thanks you're giving. And then we're going to be in December on our winter tour. Now the winter tour is super fun. Actually the first weekend of December I'm actually going to Frisco for our annual Frisco workshops with Erika Quest, shout out to my baby again. And then I come back and then we load the van up and then we we actually hit our winter tour up which Texas you'll be back in the limelight on the winter tour. So I expect to see you two times no excuses. And if you want more information on the winter tour, actually, Brad can tell you where to go.Brad Crowell 4:47  Yeah, so you're gonna go to opc.me/tour.Lesley Logan 4:51  And lastly, all of these things are awesome but clearly sound like in person events. It's not always possible. You might live somewhere amazing the world if you are a Pilates teacher, Happy World Teacher Today, and also, I may have spots left in my mentorship program. I only offer it once a year Sue, if you are wanting to basically get some confidence in how you're teaching, make it easier to show up, teach and enjoy that time outside of teaching and really progress your clients and also your amazing practice, then you'll want to go to Lesleylogan.co/elevate to hear more about my mentorship. It's pretty awesome. In fact, some people would call it a game changer, those people would be eLevate people.Brad Crowell 5:31  Yeah. You can also send her a DM. Lesley Logan 5:34  You can. You can send me a DM, it's probably will probably will keep you from ending up on a waitlist and making sure that you actually get the information before it kicks off. Because once it kicks off, that's it, folks. (Brad: That's it, folks.) So, 2025, which is kind of nuts. So probably (Brad: That's weird.) and also, we cannot guarantee what I'm doing in 2025. (Brad: That's true.) I'm an Aquarius, you guys. That's just how it goes. Anyways, before we talk about Whitney Lee, Brad, we have audience questions?Brad Crowell 6:03  We do. Right now, we just are wrapping up Agency Mini from Profitable Pilates and (Lesley: It's very wrapped.) Yeah. Well, yes, at the time of recording, Alexis George asks tips from keeping, what are tips to keep your clients moving and not talking as much?Lesley Logan 6:23  Oh my gosh, raise your hand unless you're driving only raise one hand. If your clients teach you treat you like they're a therapist?Brad Crowell 6:31  Oh, I mean, I think it just comes with the job, right?Lesley Logan 6:35  Well, here is the deal. My loves. And it's not like I didn't have clients who did this. And it's not like I didn't see some of my favorite teachers who I love and respect have clients who do this, clients do this. However, it is out of your scope to actually therapize them. So you can listen to (Brad: Is that a word, therapize?) Yes, dear, look it up. It's a word. If I were playing Scrabble, it's a word. And it's got a Z so I would like all the points. Brad Crowell 6:57  It's totally a word. Subject (Lesley: You heard it here.) to psychological therapy. (Lesley: Yeah.) You don't need to therapize or fix each other.Lesley Logan 7:05  Yeah, you don't, unless you're actually a therapist and actually paying you for that. But what I find is like movement, is where trauma leaves the body. And so there is going to be some discussion of things they are not going to be silent. You know, unless they're a silent person, and there are those people, you're just like, do you like this? Do you like me? Is this working? And the truth is that their workout faces and their workout, like being is not actually a true barometer of how amazing your teaching is. Nor is their talking too much, but what you can do. First of all, I love exercises that make them have to focus. So you can actually go hey, I want to hear the story.Brad Crowell 7:48  So did you say coordination? I'm pretty sure that you said coordination. Lesley Logan 7:50  Yeah. How's that going? For you, Brad? Brad Crowell 7:51  Yeah, it's going. (Lesley: Yeah, you're doing it.) I didn't do it right. I did it wrong. 100%.Lesley Logan 7:57  Okay. Thank God for flashcards anyway, so you pick an exercise that makes them have to think so first of all, I let my client absolutely tell me everything about their day, their neighbors, that, you know, the weekend lives in their building, and all that shit, during footwork. Because guess what, when the 100 comes, they have to shut the fuck up. They have to this is where you all, even if your contemporary teacher, can I just say steal the footwork through the 100, it will help because the footwork, they can talk, talk talk, it's fine. You're just looking at seeing what their body's doing anyways, and then 100 they cannot breathe in for five and out for five and pumped arms at the same time, and tell you about their day, unless they're fucking amazing. And therefore that story must be worth hearing. So I love to make a joke like, oh, wow, you really want to tell me the story while you're counting to 100. I'm impressed. And it kind of gets them to go, Oh, I am so sick in 200. Because I always say and if you've been to any class, on my tours, I say, I have never counted to 100 ever my 15-year career, and today is not the day I'm doing that. So these things are really helpful. Just bring people back to it. But also, again, because they're moving trauma is going to leave the body. It may. They don't know what that trauma is. And so they're often just like talking because they don't know what they're feeling. And so it's a little weird. And some people are verbal processors. Hello, I'm one of them. So I actually talk to Jay, on a zoom class with six other people there. I'm like, it's too quiet. Let me tell you a story. All right. So I hear you. Here's another tip. Don't ask an actual question back. Just say, Oh, wow, that must have been really difficult, period. You know, so if you don't ask a question back, or when you speak, you just bring them back to the exercise. And if they asked you a question, full permission, just go. Well, you know, I haven't thought about that. Let me think about it and get back to you. Like you can actually just go let me think about that and get back to you. (Brad: Shut it down.) You don't have to, and if they ask anything you should go, Look, this is really important that I progress you and you get your goals. Unless you just really love hanging out with me and paying for that. I really want to make sure you get your goals. Yeah. And that really helps because the thing is that they don't reach their goals. If they ever have a bad day and their packages do, and they're having bad money trouble. You're on the chopping block. So it's really important to bring it back to it and it's difficult. You have to train them how to treat you, but it is possible. And again, make them work. They can't speak at the same time. Okay, I love it. If you have questions, send them in.Brad Crowell 10:34  Send in a DM. Lesley Logan 10:35  Yeah.  Brad Crowell 10:39  All right, let's talk about Whitney Lee. Whitney Lee is the founder of True Story. And she's a seasoned PR expert who champions authentic connections. She simplifies complex strategies, empowering business owners to navigate challenges with an effective approach.Lesley Logan 10:55  Okay, well, I'm gonna jump in. (Brad: Do it.) I loved some stuff. First of all, of course, I love this stuff. She said, she was giving advice about understanding your audience. And whether you are listening to this as a business owner, or listen to this as a person who is trying to like, get donation money for your nonprofit, or, I don't know, get your family to understand that you don't want to go to their house for Thanksgiving, just saying. Lesley Logan 11:20  It's extremely important that you understand the audience you're trying to serve, trying to get to understand that you are the right thing for them that your way is better than the highway. Like, it's really, really important to understand them and their goals and their needs. And so she said, be very clear on who you serve. For example, if you're serving moms between 30 and 45, use that information. And especially now moms, moms today at 30 to 45 have often had two young kids. So like, if this was the 80s, my grandmother would be in this age group.Lesley Logan 11:56  But today, they're often like, they worked really hard. They made their money and they have having kids later. So what do these moms need? These are moms who used to have a whole life before they had kids, they actually had time to themselves. They actually, and I just watched a reel where this mom told her kids to like, draw picture of her sleeping, and then she took a nap while they're trying, like these moms have, they know what it's like to have been young and partying. And then also now not to be that so like, get information. And then if you can't find the information you're looking for, you should ask them because customers and consumers don't think the way that business owners think they're not thinking in the marketing and PR terms. So if so you can't you can't think like yourself, you have to think like them. And so sometimes just ask them, Why are you here? How did you find us? Why do you keep coming back? What is this doing for you? Like, I know that sounds weird, but it's really fun. And I often would ask my clients this, especially when they would refer me people that I'm like, How the fuck? Did this person come in my doors? So I'm like, Oh, tell me more about what you told your friend about what we do here. And then I heard like, oh, like calm and it's super relaxing. I love the coffee. And you just like you just like really helped me like think about what's going on my day. And I'm like, none of those things are things I'm proud of, like none of those things so cool. Okay. Noted. Noted. We got to shut you up. But anyways, like, it's so important. I'm joking. And also being truthful. Like.Brad Crowell 13:27  well, you can empower your clients with the thing to say, right you can we talk about this a lot with our with our, you know, the clients that we coach, to just explain, hey, here's what it is that we're doing here.Lesley Logan 13:39  Yes. And that is why you should ask people what it is you're doing there because that will let you know if you're doing a good job of that or not. And also it'll let you know, like, where did they fight? Find out your information? Like, what what was their real reason for coming in. So that's why I understand what their goals are. And even if not everyone has fitness goals, but like, Okay, but what prompted you to like actually spend the time to come here today? Like why now? What is it now? Right? So really kind of get in their head? Because that's the best way for you to meet other people like them.Brad Crowell 14:10  Yeah, yeah. And to get to know, you know who your actual person is. Lesley Logan 14:14  Yeah. And it's not a cartoon character. This is a real person. As we know from Hillary Hartling. It's a real person. So ask real people.Brad Crowell 14:21  Call back, Hillary Hartling. (Lesley: Episode...) No, good luck. I don't know.Lesley Logan 14:28  It was December of when we launched so I'm going to say 47, 49.Brad Crowell 14:37  Close. 57.Lesley Logan 14:38  What. (Brad: Yeah) Look at me. (Brad:) If someone's listening for the first time, was like, I don't understand that's so far off. Let me just tell you I'm pretty darn close within 10 episodes most of the time. Kareen was a fluke.Brad Crowell 14:54  All right. All right. All right. (Lesley: What did you love?) So I really enjoyed what she was talking about operating solely on emotions versus looking at, you know, the numbers, or looking at facts is what she was talking about actually, she said, it's not about how it feels or how you feel about it. Because we often operate in that space where we're operating based off the way we feel. Right? And she said, what ends up happening is that we end up because of the way we feel we end up seeking evidence to support that feeling. Right, which can be a downward spiral, or you can be completely kidding yourself.Lesley Logan 15:33  Oh, yeah. We talked about this with the doctor Philippe. PhilippeBrad Crowell 15:39  Douyon. Yes. Lesley Logan 15:40  I'm not gonna be able to recall the episode we had him on twice. So there's two different numbers in my brain, but he taught there's an actual brain scientific thing for this, like cognitive, something something.Brad Crowell 15:50  But, but so, you know, we ended up trying to prove or disprove things based on how we feel, and not on what's happening around us what's actually happening around us. And I thought that was really interesting. You know, she she actually said something really which I thought was, she said, you have to know, when you're going down that path, and you need something. You need to be able to do something to kind of snap out of it.Lesley Logan 16:17  Cold water. Ice plunge. (Brad: Sure.) Hot, cold shower. (Brad: Cold shower.)Brad Crowell 16:23  Yeah. But I mean, she didn't mention those things. But those are options. She said when she's working with our clients, they definitely do not come up with strategies based off of feelings or hunches. Instead, they're looking at hard truths. And they're trying to find a way forward by looking at that, you know, what's happening around them.Lesley Logan 16:44  I think that's true. I mean, I think it's also important to acknowledge the feelings you're having and share them with people so that you can also beware of a pattern like, what, what sets off the feeling that you're having? That is opposite of what the actual facts are. So that when you are having those feelings, you can go oh, oh, hold on. This is that time, like, you got to? (Brad: Yeah) we do that around the house, when we talked about this with Chris Goodman, like, I'll, you'll just be here with me walking out on my, I'm having a fear of success, right now. I'm gonna go take a shower, like, I'm gonna go like, pause this out. But I wouldn't be able to do that today, where I like to live like go, Oh, these feelings are going to keep me from actually paying attention to what is actually happening. They're going to derail me, they're gonna make me make up products that are not for real things. So so I'm aware of that now, I wasn't aware of that before. And it took me longer to figure it out. So I actually think it's really important to acknowledge them so that you can pay attention to the hard truth, you can go seeking it out when they come up. My opinion. (Brad: Well said.)Brad Crowell 17:53  All right. So finally, let's talk about those be it action items, what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items, can we take away from your convo with Whitney Lee? She said, The most important thing you can do for all of y'all out there because obviously she runs a PR firm, right? So she has a bunch of clients. And the whole one thing I thought was interesting, actually, I'm just gonna throw this in here. Before the bold truth is she talked about the difference. The distinction between PR and sales. She said sales is very obviously, you're trying to generate money coming in. PR, you're trying to stay at the top of the conversation. You're trying to stay relevant. (Lesley: Yes.) And so I suppose the first time I ever heard, like that distinction.Lesley Logan 18:33  Also like you're creating authority, like the perception of authority, yeah. Brad Crowell 18:38  Totally. But part of that staying relevant is using social media. And she said, the most important thing, if you're just getting started, is to reject this idea of what people think you are and that they, that you you try to, like put out content for what you think they need, and instead, do you think they think so. Right? And is that you should be putting out content based on you being you. Right? Authenticity, right? And this idea of authentic, you know, I feel like it's overplayed, but but the way that she talks about it, you know, it's important to just be yourself, you have to be you and what it will happen organically is that you will attract people who appreciate your vibe, your personality, your nature, your you know, bubbliness or, you know, and vice versa, you're actually going to be turning away people who just don't vibe with you in that way. And that's actually okay. Right. So she said, it has to you have to stop being overly manicured with photos and get into stories daily. And actually just be yourself in your stories. And then she said, figure out how you're different and talk about that on social media.Lesley Logan 19:53  Yeah. So many great reminders actually did a story of me I'm in my pajamas right now. You guys we're recording this in my pajamas. I put them on for 30 today. And then I was like, Oh, I haven't done a video in this outfit for Tabby yet. And so I was like, alright, so I did a little story. I'm like, I'm like, so I filmed two workouts, and I didn't need to change the sweaty clothes. So I put on my pajamas for 30, more like 60 to get that for the rest of the day. And I did it and they're like, Oh, we love this. You should be in pajamas all day and they shared it and I'm like, You know what? That is actually so much more fun. It really really is. It's so much easier it's so you know, we get on our heads like oh my god, what is this background look like the house, whatever. But it's like people actually just really like want to see who you really are. And it's way more fun that way. So I really love her advice there. I loved and her Be It action items to continually put yourself out there. She said it is really important to pursue opportunities too often people are waiting for the opportunities to come their way pursue them so not pitches. Gaius is in a pitch right now for earn media coverage, partnerships, speaking engagements, podcast tours, like just wherever you're wanting to be seen based on who you want to serve. So remember podcasts. If you're if your peeps are over a certain age, God bless them. They're still not here yet. We're working on it. Gaia is sending out a pitch, she's,Brad Crowell 21:16  She's at a certain age,Lesley Logan 21:17  She is a lady of a certain age, she'sBrad Crowell 21:19  Now barking at nothing.Lesley Logan 21:21  Yes, she barked at a bolster today you guys should. At any rate, that is the bead accent, which I really, really love. We're just going to talk over Gaia because it's okay. She also said to offer value. And this is really, really important. So when you reach out to a podcast or by the way, if you're if you're listening to this and you're about to pitch to me, please do not tell me how amazing you are, you have to tell me how amazing what you have to share on my podcast is for my listeners. And so whenever I pitch to be on podcasts, and very specifically one like, Hey, I heard your podcast is about this, here's what I could talk about to support your listeners and your mission. So be there make sure you're very clear on like, how you actually benefit the people that you're pitching to. Because they get pitched up all day long. Of course you want them to talk about you, but they've earned that audience. So you have to make sure that you actually are supporting that that connection they have with the audience. And then she saidLesley Logan 22:16  the best angle, focus on giving. Educate and give without asking for anything in return it will come back to you. You know, we had Rory Vaden on last month and he is very big on this. He in fact, like he talked about how he just gave so much advice to Lisa and so many bill you that they don't have him Tom, thank you guys, that they were like we have to pay you like we actually pay you for this. So like, you have to just like focus on the service and it all comes back. That's how the world works. All right. I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 22:48  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 22:48  Thank you so much for listening to me, Brad, Gaia. And of course this podcast we're so grateful for you. Truly, really I can't believe we're about to hit the 300th episode. (Brad: I know it's kind of insane.) It's insane. Clare Solly was like do you realize I just listened to Episode 250 that means you're gonna be at 300 really quickly and I'm like oh shit, yes we are. Do we need, we will figure how to use this soundboard over here before then. Anyways, we are so grateful to you for sharing this podcast to someone you know who needs to hear it. And until next time. Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell 23:18  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 23:18  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 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Dive with Lesley and Brad into the intricate world of cults and their underlying psychology. Gain insights into the red flags and concept of bounded choices that hint at cult-like behaviors.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Key red flags to be aware of when entering a group.Traits of cults and steps to take if you're entangled in one.Strategies to ensure your group or business remains cult-free.Tips on selecting trustworthy people to associate with.The significance of visualizing your desired future and planning in reverse.Episode References/Links:Join Our Coaching Team For Seven Days Of Tackling Your Biz StrugglesCambodia Pilates RetreatJoin our email list!Free WebinarDaniella Mestyanek Young's websiteEp 27: Is Your Hustle Now Just a Hassle? (ft. Kareen Walsh)  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Get your 15% discount for Toe Sox – use coupon code LESLEY15Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyBe in the know with all the workshops at OPCBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship Join us at our Cambodia Retreat - Oct. 8-13, 2023FREE Ditching Busy WebinarAmy Ledin - Episode 5: "How to take fast action against limiting beliefs" ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  One of the things to like be aware of is they do things in a coercive place, and she called it bounded choice. So you think you have fear, you start you think you have freedom, but really, there's this coercive control. There's this like pressure, like you think you could, like, maybe not come on a Thursday, but then everyone's like, "Why aren't you here?"Lesley Logan 0:12  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:19  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It Interview Recap where my co-host and my friend and I are going to talk about the illuminate (Brad: The what?)Lesley Logan 0:20  Leave it in. The illuminative. I saw that and I was like this is not gonna go out (Brad: Illuminative.) Illuminative? (Brad: Yeah.) You're gonna put that before her name? (Brad: Yeah.) Convo I had with Daniella Mestyanek Young. In our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now. Go back and listen now. And like, I know I said this every week, but fucking go listen to that one.Brad Crowell 0:47  Oh, it's a great episode. Lesley Logan 0:48  She is amazing. And since then, she has been quoted in the, it was it was the Washington Post or The Wall Street Journal. Either one is still like, like badass like, not just like one quote, like, they did a whole profile on her because of like, like, because of the expertise she has in this topic. And so anyways, we're gonna get a little culty here. Well, actually, we're gonna get unculty is what we're gonna do in this episode.Brad Crowell 1:16  So congratulations. You're all cult members now? Lesley Logan 1:20  No, no, we are not a cult. We are a group. We are just a group.Brad Crowell 1:25  I know what it's the opposite of everything that she stands for. We are a group. That's what she stands for. We're just a group. Brad Crowell 1:32  We're just a group. It's a good group.Lesley Logan 1:33  You know, I think we talked about this in the podcast, we're going to do a segment she asked like, before we hit record, like, is Pilates like culty? And I said, oh, it can be (Brad: And you laughed.) I laughed. (Brad: Yeah.) I totally laughed. I said, it can be. It's like a scuff. Like a true scuff, right? And recently, I was traveling somewhere and it like, there are some people that might think that they're like part of a group. But like, if you can't go to another person's thing, because of the group you're in, that's a cult. (Brad: That's a cult.) You should be able to go and explore other groups without offending people in your group anyways,Brad Crowell 2:10  No, in no way shape, or form is one person 100% correct. (Lesley: No.) Literally not possible.Brad Crowell 2:18  I am on a fucking mission when it comes to the Pilates industry. And I'm, you know, I'll I'll probably die trying but I just I want people it's supposed to be fun. It's a fucking workout. And like you're never supposed to stop learning. And you can not agree with someone who could not like something that they do or the way that they do it. That doesn't mean you could only like someone else. Anyways, today is September 21, 2023. And it's World Gratitude Day. And this day aims to remind us of the importance of expressing gestures of thanks and appreciation. (Brad: I'm grateful for the 12 apostles of Pilates.)Lesley Logan 2:57  Hear you now. I actually really like this, because ways you can express gratitude, just like just just maybe like, maybe for maybe for the day, like, just set a reminder, like set a note that when you're procrastinating to just text, anybody in your contacts list. Hey, you know what, thanks for saying that one thing a month ago, I just thought of you. And I really remember when you said that, like, just try for one day to sending random acts of gratitude in your text messages. You have no idea whenever I get those from a friend. (Brad: Yeah.) It's like they always come at the time where you're like,Brad Crowell 3:31  You need them the most. Lesley Logan 3:32  When you're like, why the fuck do I even exist?Lesley Logan 3:36  So anyways, not to be dramatic. But seriously, it's really true. And, you know, and something that I did while I was traveling is I was like, waiting for a door to open. So I was scrolling through stories, which is like something I never do. And there was people who are posting things that are friends of mine or tangentially. And like, instead of responding in their DMs I texted them, my response would be in their DMs. Oh, that's fun. Yeah, because it's way more fun to text back and forth you know I did some voice text messages. Anyway, I could have done it. I could have done it, the DMs but it's complicated. And so I just, I also want people to see in there. I don't want people to scare their text messages. Like, you know, anyways, (inaudible) today. Brad Crowell 4:15  Yeah, I mean, even even if you don't have a specific thing that you're grateful for about them, just texting them and say, hey, I was thinking about you. Yeah, is magic. Yes. You know, so and I really encourage you to make a habit of if somebody pops into your head, tell them and you don't have to tell them what you thought about you can but it could just be like, hey, I was thinking about you hope you're loving life. Lesley Logan 4:41  Did we talk about this on the podcast about Tasha? Brad Crowell 4:43  We, actually we have, a couple weeks ago, Lesley Logan 4:47  Okay, yeah, I'm not kidding. Like me just thinking I just we we made a funny little voice note. I'm like, we're in my dreams. And it was like the thing she needed for that. Brad Crowell 4:57  Yeah, that was uplifting. Yeah. anyways, today's World Gratitude Day so you know, (Lesley: Go be grateful.) Do it. Be fucking grateful. Lesley Logan 5:05  This is your cult leader speaking. (Brad: Be grateful.) It felt like you were doing the as you wish.Brad Crowell 5:19  Yeah, right.Lesley Logan 5:21  We also we literally just wrapped up Agency Mini 9. Wow. Wow. Wow. So much fun. And I am going to have to learn how to like voice to text my computer for at least a week to get my finger.Brad Crowell 5:34  Oh, that's my jam. That's what I do now.Lesley Logan 5:36  I know I just don't think that any of the things understand my words at all. At all. Brad Crowell 5:44  Well, you can blame Siri for that.Lesley Logan 5:46  I don't know, maybe I don't speak English well.Brad Crowell 5:49  I think you're just fine. I think you're just fine.Lesley Logan 5:52  Well, Siri doesn't understand my accent. Anyways, we just wrapped it up. It was phenomenal. It was fucking amazing. It's brilliant. If you're like, Oh, my God, I missed it. You did? And the next one isn't until probably in six months. I don't actually have the dates in front of me. I don't think we've set them. And the truth is we do it twice a year. But we've been constantly only doing once a year. And we're where are we got a big team meeting coming up. So get on the waitlist. And we'll let you know when the next one is, it's profitablepilates.com/mini. And I'll put you on the waitlist for that. Anyways, you guys were amazing. You're awesome. And my only ask is that you take some action this week, take messy action. Take that information, because once you start to take action with it becomes less overwhelming.Brad Crowell 6:34  If you're wondering what Mini is it's a seven day brief snippet of our fitness business coaching program.Lesley Logan 6:41  I thought they were all on the cult. Brad Crowell 6:42  Yeah. No, we're not speaking a language that only cult members know. And it will help you lay the foundation of who you are, what it is that you do what you actually offer, who you're trying to connect with. And then how do you communicate that in a way that attracts those clients to you? And that's the key. You know, once you understand those things, what do you do with it? It's how you put that all out there and the way that you're speaking and the things that you're saying are going to attract the clients that you want to work with. So it's like an amazing week. It's absolutely worth you like exploring that. Whether you've been in business for two months or 20 years. You should do agency mini. So get yourself on the waitlist go to profitablepilates.com/mini.Lesley Logan 7:28  Yeah. And then we're a couple weeks away from getting our passes on the plane. Yeah, going to Cambodia, we'll be there for a while. (Brad: I could not wait) and it's actually gonna be really exciting because they've been making some massive changes to the infrastructure there. (Brad: Yeah, crazy changes.) Part of me is like, I really I'm grateful for the sidewalks it does mean I won't get ran over by tuk-tuk. But also, like there was something cool about like, walking (Brad: Field adventures.) while massive, like, huge buses like just like going by. (Brad: It totally do.) So anyways, we are so excited to be going there. We've got an incredible group, our house is full. If you are like someone who's like makesBrad Crowell 8:10  We're taking one of the two rooms that our manager has. (Lesley: Oh, we are?) Yeah. (Lesley: We moved her out? (Brad: Well, not moved her out. But she sent her kids to her dad's their dad's place.) (Lesley: Oh, that's amazing.) Yeah. Because we needed the rooms. Lesley Logan 8:25  Yeah. Well, that's so cool. So anyways, we'll be there for a few weeks. And if you are wanting to go on the next one, because the reality is, is that unless you really love flying (inaudible) and booking a trip across the world in two weeks, or maybe you live in Thailand, you want to come if you visit LesleyLogan.co/retreat.Brad Crowell 8:43  Very easy to come from Singapore, PS.Lesley Logan 8:44  Yeah, and also like (Brad: Singapore, India, you know, it's all very quick.) Yeah, it's all very, very quick. You can also come from any other place in the world. It's just a little longer. And then November, we'll be I'll be in Chicago, with Erika Quest. So we've got some workshops going on over there. Brad Crowell 9:04   And stay tuned on the Instagrams for that. Lesley Logan 9:06  Yeah, or our email list. So you can do that.Brad Crowell 9:11  Go to opc.me/email. Lesley Logan 9:13  Oh, perfect. Do that. And then we'll on December, we'll be back on our winter tour. We're actually in meetings as we, as this episode drops on what that tour is going to look like and cities and all that. So we should have those details out. And they will be of course announced here, but mostly if you are on that, if you're on the email, Brad Crowell 9:32  Yeah, but it's actually opc.me/emails I got that wrong. It's plural,Lesley Logan 9:36  Plural, plural. This team will get it. Okay. We want to get all into Daniella but firstly, the audience question. Brad Crowell 9:44  We do, we have a question. So this week, we had a question from when you were recently in Poland, and you were there teaching a workshop and it was basically was mostly about Controllogy right. I mean, it was a, it was a classical Pilates conference. Yes, it was you and Karen Frischmann. And then also Jay zoomed in, right. Yes. Jay zoomed in. So fun. Yeah, amazing. Lesley Logan 10:10  It was so fun. I thought he was just gonna like do a Q&A. Because Jimmy Buffett died. I wouldn't had margaritas with a couple girls for like, I don't know, Jimmy Buffett is like, Oh, my God, we must have margaritas. And we had a margarita upstairs. We came downstairs, I jumped into the mat class.Brad Crowell 10:25  Oh, like you do?Lesley Logan 10:27  I was so sore the next day, but I think it actually helped me relax.Brad Crowell 10:32  Well, the question that you got there was, how is it possible that you do all the things that you do and still have a life? How do you balance your work and your life?Lesley Logan 10:41  So I love this question. Shout out to Ivana, she asked, actually, she asked Jay, a really awesome question similar to this. She asked him like, what do you do about the clients who just want you to like, work them out? You know? And so he was on us? And then she was just like a question. Like, I think people have these questions, and they don't ask it. So clearly, people think I have work life balance, and I'm gonna tell you right now, balance is a lie. And when I told so here's just, here's the thing, our yoga teacher, Brad, he told us that balance is the art of not falling over, right? Like in a handstand, or a headstand, the ability to hold that is you maneuver in between, like leaning too much one way and then you correct and then you might overcorrect and things like that. And so what what I try to get people to understand is like, stop striving for balance. Also, what balance is to you on a Monday is very different to what balance to use on Friday. Or if you have kids, maybe there's a different version of balance when they're in school versus when they're at home. And so, so I don't search for balance, I search for making sure my schedule fills my cup, every single day. So I can show up for what the task is at hand. And I tried to make sure it's really hard for us, because there's two of us. And so sometimes when you're working it's different than when I'm working. And sometimes you have a question about work. And I'm like, but I'm not working right now. The answer is this is first, we actually do have a free webinar about how I create a schedule, which also talks about my scheduling tool, but you can just you can enjoy that or just watch that. I think it's called I think it's is it ditchingbusy.com?Brad Crowell 12:25  Yeah, I was just looking that up almost positive. That's what it is. Yeah.Lesley Logan 12:28  So did you ditchingbusy.com. It's a free webinar. It's all my business stuff. But like, it explains how I created a schedule, (Brad: It is. ditchingbusy.com) So it's free, go enjoy. It's how I create a schedule. Yeah. It's also something I teach in Agency Mini, but what every morning has in it are the things that helped me fill my cup, so I can show up for the rest of the day. And I also know the signs that I'm out of balance. And I think that's very important. What are the symptoms that you like? Are you cranky? Do you snap at people? Are you exhausted at the end of the day? What are those signs, so that you can actually look at the next day and see if there's anything you can take off your plate. And ladies, I know you don't like to cancel your friends, like you want to be that person. But you can just say, I'm actually really overwhelmed right now. And there's nothing more I want to do is see you but you don't want to see me right now. Because I'm not going to be the best awesome person. That is way better than us showing up. What Why are you laughing?Brad Crowell 13:24  Just remembering that dinner? (Lesley: What dinner?) The one where we had someone tell us that they just weren't ready to be present in this exact moment. So I'm gonna excuse myself.Lesley Logan 13:37  Yeah, she already called an Uber by the way. I you know, it's part of me and like, it's like,Brad Crowell 13:42  I look preempted, don't show up. And then pleaseLesley Logan 13:45  Try to do it before you get there. Anyways, because like also, it just is so weird. But the reality is you have the more you get to know yourself. And the more you acknowledge like that, when you just say like, I am not imbalanced right now I am out of balance that can take a whole load off and then ask yourself, what are the what what happened to get you here? Are you maybe like when we have a launch going on? You think Agency Mini is balance? No, no. Here's what we do, though. So we can show up. We have our morning routines are on point, we have our food delivered. We do not miss our workouts, but we do not go out to dinner with people. We do notBrad Crowell 14:27  We try to we try to remove everything else that from the entire week if we if we possibly can.Lesley Logan 14:32  Yeah, if we possibly can. We're really clear like the beginning of the week, we can probably have a meeting or two but towards the end of the week. It's an absolute zero, no, nothing other than that. But the week before and the week after we are we're giving ourselves we'll also give ourselves an opportunity to get things ready so we can be so we're sleeping where we're making sure we have time to ourselves. In fact, we take days off. So the point of this is to sum it up too long to read watch the webinar and to stop trying to find balance. And just be honest with yourself. Are you in a season where you're building something up? (Brad: Yeah) If so, what are you going to do to rest and repair and refuel. And if you're in a season of like, hey, everything's flowing smooth, then enjoy that, and let your creativity juices fly, but stop going, oh my God, I've gotta like, every days with the perfect day, this is not the 1950s. And by the way, y'all they were not actually that happy. All the movies make it look, they're so happy. They were having Manhattan's every night, and like not telling each other was going on. SoBrad Crowell 15:32  I think I think the the idea of like, balance with work and life, ultimately, it comes down to the decision you make in and what's going to what, what's too much you'll know, because you're very unhappy, your fried or your you know, all those things. And realizing, you know, when you've crossed that threshold of holy cow, because like, you know, I mean, we are business owners, right? We, we work all day, work all day, every day. But we don't think about it that way. I'm not like if something breaks at 10pm. Guess what I have to fix it, have to, you know, so but, you know, I might take two to 3pm and take a walk, you know, so it's your choice of what you're doing and when you're doing it, and what you need to realize is that you're that's what that balance is is like, hey, you know what, I have a light afternoon, I think I'm gonna take advantage of it. Like last Friday, I went out to lunch with our neighbor. And I mean, I haven't seen him in like six months. So it's weird that we will live next to each other and we never get the chance to go out. But I didn't have any meetings booked, which is abnormal. And I was like, let's take advantage of this and actually take the afternoon. And we went and we just hung out. Right and so sometimes that happens and other times I have to work during the afternoon and that's okay. Brad Crowell 15:54  Yeah. And then just like a quick tip if you are someone who's an overscheduler you see an empty space in your calendar, you're like yes, I can fit that in. Then you to block in like actual like schedule actual rest breaks. You also cannotBrad Crowell 17:12  I had to put lunch directly into my schedule. I don't remember to do if I don't have lunch in my schedule. I forget to eat. Lesley Logan 17:18  I think we did that two years ago. And it was like one of the best things that ever happened for either one of us. Yes, No body books calls. Anyways, there's just different hacks you have to do and then also just because the people around you are hustling like crazy, doesn't mean that you're hustling something different. That reminds me what ended on this Kareen, Episode 53? She was at 53.Brad Crowell 17:39  I'm we're gonna find out.Lesley Logan 17:41  She said might have been 23 but I feel like it's 53 I feel like she wasn't as early as everyone else. My friends, but she saidBrad Crowell 17:51  You were definitely off the mark, 27. (Lesley: 27. 20 was my second guess.) She was early. Episode 27 Kareen Walsh.Lesley Logan 18:00  She said, "Don't let your hustle become a hassle." And I think when she said that, that's kind of like a like a thing. Like if I feel really big, I'm working really hard. If it starts to feel like a hassle, like, oh my God, then I go, okay, what's going on here? Yeah. When did I say yes to these things? I think ladies, we tried to do everything like that, that I, somebody just followed, posted something because like, I don't know which magazine but Paris Hilton was on the cover. And they're like, look, she's like, rock and being a mom and a full-time business owner and this she's got all the things figured out. And I was like, What the fuck? When are we going to stop telling ladies that that's possible? No fucking way Paris Hilton has it all figured out? No offense, Paris. You're awesome. But there's, you have nannies. You have housekeepers. You have chefs, you have cooks, you have someone organizing your sets. The way they wrote the title was a Paris Hilton is like doing it all. And she can because she has a team. So if you are solo, you cannot do it all. You can only do what is possible in the amount of time you have. And the more you take care of yourself, the more you can get things done, period. Okay, now.Brad Crowell 19:11  Let's move on.Lesley Logan 19:13  Send your questions into the pod. We love them.Brad Crowell 19:16  Yeah, ask those questions. Lesley Logan 19:17  We love them.Brad Crowell 19:18  Okay, now let's talk about Daniella Mestyanek Young, a former intelligence officer, renowned scholar on cults and the compelling voice behind the memoir, Uncultured. Her life journey from the confines of a religious sect cult to the frontlines of the US Army is a testament to resilience and the power of transformation. (Lesley: She's a badass.) She's badass. (Lesley: She's an intelligence officer in the military)Brad Crowell 19:43  In her like mid to late 20s. Lesley Logan 20:04  Yes, yeah. Yes. And that's, by the way, (Brad: who is in the field) who is in the field. She was one of the first women allowed in field. And also she ran a virtual Boston Marathon and she won for the military. (Brad: Really?) And like, yes, yes. (Brad: How do you do that?) And she met Obama, and she was one of the few officers like invited. Yeah. Oh, no, no way. Yeah, you gotta listen to the book. You got to do it. We like we have like, this is, by the way. This is badass. Like, like, you know, fucking amazing human being. I listened. I found her on a cult show I listened to and I DM-ed her and she was like, Yeah, sounds so fun. And she like, I was just like, oh my god, I'm getting Daniella on the show. So great. Anyways, um, she's just really honest. And also she had all of that without having a formal education guys. She didn't go to school until high school. So, yeah. (Brad: Oh, I didn't know that.) No, the Children of God don't teach them how to read anything. Yeah, anyways. Okay, you gotta read the book. Warning, it is difficult. They're like, if you there's a trigger on like, the sex abuse that is in there. But it's also so important that we actually know what these places are doing. Because you got to know the science guys, you gotta know the science. So go read the book. So okay, I love so many things. But she she gave advice on what a cult disguise could look like. And of course, she said nobody joins a cult. And that's true.Brad Crowell 21:34  Yeah, that I found. I found really interesting. You know that you don't realize that it is what it is.Lesley Logan 21:41  Well, everyone else say I would never join a cult. (Brad: Right.) Like, okay, (Brad: Well, me neither.) Well, me neither. Of course not. But like, in L.A. there's so many cults. Brad Crowell 21:51  There are so many cults.Lesley Logan 21:52  Oh my god. There's so many cults. Brad Crowell 21:54  Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's a Erawan cult.Lesley Logan 21:58  Shut up. I mean, maybe there's a small one that I don't know who's leading it. But I will say like, there were some books there was there. First of all, NXIVM was notorious for doing their workshops in L.A., there was landmark that everyone in their mother was like trying to get you to come to their graduation, which by the way, was a cult. Sorry, there. But don't sue me. But like there's so many in L.A., obviously, Scientology being the biggest one. (Brad: Right.) Every time we drove by that church, I just like oh, my god, can they see us? Do they have our license plate number? Drive fast. But anyway, she said no one joins a cult, they join a group that is doing something that is feeding their soul. And even there was like yoga classes that were so cultish.Brad Crowell 22:45  I just, I gotta hop in here. I just found a Yelp listing for the top 10 Best religious cults near Los Angeles, California.Lesley Logan 22:58  Oh, my God is (inaudible). Brad Crowell 23:00  No, I mean, but it's funny. They're like, it's it's a lot of churches.Lesley Logan 23:04  Yeah. So but the but people join a place that feeds their soul, they join things that are doing like this. They join things that are like making an impact on the world that aligns with your values. And so she actually said that people listening to this podcast are likely to be people who could end up joining a cult because you are seekers, seekers of information, right. So. So they give you these big missions. And of course, you're a part of it. Now, there are just groups. I like to think that we are just a group. But she said like there are some red flags that you should look into, especially in the recruiting thing. So, we'll kind of get into that in a second. But like, one of the things to like be aware of is they do things in a coercive place, and she called it bounded choice. So you think you have fear, you start you think you have freedom, but really, there's this coercive control. There's this like pressure, like you think you could, like, maybe not come on a Thursday, but then everyone's like, why aren't you here? For example, one of my clients went to this weekend event, and she decided she didn't like it on day two. So she decided to come to my class. And in my call during my class, her phone was texted four times, or four times in an hour going, where are you why didn't you come? Why don't you get on a call with us let's see if we can get you back? It's like, if she can't miss the third day, that she paid for. It is her choice to not be there. If you are like, dragging her back. And there's something weird going on.Brad Crowell 24:35  Yeah, I mean, I just wanted to rip rip down the top the 10 things that she does, like how she considers a cult, defines a call. So, number one, there's a charismatic leader. Number two, there's a single sacred assumption that all of the people assume. Number three, there's a transcendent mission. Number four, there's self-sacrifice required. Five limiting access to the outside world six, unique language meaning like, like we were joking about at the beginning of this episode about Agency Mini. And if you don't know what that means, then you're not in the cult, right? Like that's the unique language. Then the next is an us versus them mentality, then exploitation of the members, high exit cost. Maybe you lose your community, your friends, all that you're ostracized. And then lastly, it. It should eventually shifts into an ends justify the means mentality.Lesley Logan 25:33  Oh, yeah. So here's what's interesting. While I was in Poland, one of the people was talking to they had, they had stopped working with one of the groups, I won't name it in the Pilates world, because they had this like summit where they brought in all of their teachers. And they said, Well, these things are the things that you can teach. But if you want to teach these things, you have to be part of the inner circle, because we have to trust (Brad: There's a fucking inner circle?) She said, she's got a fucking said inner circle, and like, oh, do they not know how to build a cult, you're not supposed to actually say that. That's the quiet part. You don't say out loud.Brad Crowell 26:08  By joke, seriously, like,Lesley Logan 26:12  and someone else we coach was like, I want to do this thing. But like, it's not clear if I can do this thing. And there have been people who've done this thing, and they've been kicked out. And there's other people who didn't do this thing. And they didn't get kicked out nice. And the particular thing that she was doing Brad Crowell 26:23  The reality of kicked out, that's the that's one of the problems. I mean, that's a problem. Lesley Logan 26:27  And I said to her, I said, you're in a cult. Now, it might not feel like one but the fact that you can't provide this thing that is in no way a threat to them. And in fact, all it's doing is propelling the mission that should be theirs forward. That scares me for you. (Brad: Yeah.) And the fact that you're worried that you could be ex like excommunicated ex, is that the right word? (Brad: Yeah, basically) that makes me nervous.Lesley Logan 26:27  That's very religious, but yes, excommunicated.Lesley Logan 26:35  So some people say Pilates is a religion. But at any rate, like it shouldn't, if you have those fears, that can be your own family, by the way, like if there are things you can't say or do or be in your own family, because fear of like them, not speaking to you. That's a little bit culty.Brad Crowell 27:15  Yeah, I mean, we were just in England, and we were with one of our members who married someone from India. Oh, and she is from England. And she's not the same religion. (Lesley: Oh, she's Australian) oh sorry, she's Australian living in England, but she's not the same religion. And his family cut them out. (Lesley: Yeah) that's fucking cult. Lesley Logan 27:39  Yeah. So um, so you're probably wondering how can this be it till you see it, because you are a seeker. And I want to make sure you're armed with the right information so that as you're being until you see it, and as you're getting information out there, you don't end up accidentally in a group that is using you, using your amazingness. And we'll talk more about that in the next week's episode. Because that guest on narcissism is amazing. Anyways, I can keep going, but you should tell us what you loved.Brad Crowell 28:05  Yeah. So I thought this was interesting, in that she had a couple of examples of cult leaders that you would know that I don't remember their names. But she said, I know the mom. Yeah, I know, you know them all. If people are self-proclaiming that they're a guru. Be cautious. Be aware of this. Because they, you know, when someone puts themselves up on this high pedestal, and then tells you, you know, I am the authority, or I am the guru of the thing. Lesley Logan 28:42  I have all the answers here. I'm the one who knows, I'm the closest to right, you know, yeah.Brad Crowell 28:48  Yeah. You know, she said, actually, in fact, coaching can become this. Teachers can become this, you know, anybody that you put in a place of authority, it is, you know, it's she was talking about, like, you could be doing everything right. And then like, somehow it shifts and suddenly it like, becomes a cult and not like a group. Right? So the reality is that if they are out there telling you that they're the only authority that they're the only one or that they know what's right. And they can, they can, they're the only one that can help you like all major warning signs. Yeah, right that you've got somebody who, you know, is totally a narcissist, which we are going to talk about on our next episode, and they are effectively trying to manipulate you. Yeah. Whether they realize they're doing it or not, they're doing it. Right. Whether you realize they're doing it or not, hopefully you can identify that they're doing this. Lesley Logan 29:47  I think after we ended the podcast. So I'm gonna help like, you know, you do sales calls with people. And we're very clear with people like, this might not be the right group for you. And it's not because we don't want to help you. But if we're not the right person, like I've joked on the podcast before like, I'm not a taco not everyone's gonna like me. Sure, that's okay. Because like, there is someone out there who can lead you in all the different things that we do. If it's if I'm not the right one, or it's not the right time. And it's important that people know that. And I think like, I just think it's a little. I know that like, when you're lost, you just want answers. (Brad: Yeah.) But you have to also remember, like you have everything you need inside you. And really just surrounding yourself with people who want to support and guide versus be the hero (Brad: That's key. That's exactly right.) Someone who can guide you from this point to that point. And that doesn't mean once you get to that next point, that they're still your guide, you might pick up a different guide along the way.Brad Crowell 30:44  Yeah. And I think that's the that's like, the language that they're using, the way that they portray themselves the way that they perceive themselves, you might not be able to understand all that right away. But you're exactly right, like the person who wants to be there to support you and your growth, and be a guide along a path that they may have already taken. That's a win. But a person who is like, oh, I can show you how I'm the only person that has been where you are, I know how this works. You need to listen to me. That's a problem. You know, so she actually like what are the things I was talking about the 10 things and the 10 definitions, like how she defines a cult. And she said the second one, which I thought was really interesting, is a single sacred assumption. So all the people in the group have this single sacred assumption. And you can't you better not say the other way, because then everyone's gonna be like, What are you saying? Right, the single sacred assumption. So she was talking about NXIVM and Keith Raniere, and he told all of his NXIVM people, I am the smartest man alive. (Lesley: Oh, yeah.) And everyone fucking believed him. They just went along with it. So as a group, everyone was like, oh, yeah, Keith. Yeah, he's the smartest man alive. He's the smartest man alive. And it just was like, inherently, indoctrinating all these people with this weird decision that he's like, I'm the smartest man alive. So guess what, everything he says they're gonna fucking do. Because why would you defy the smartest man alive? (Lesley: He's so smart.) Right? So you know, that's like, you know, yeah, it's kind of crazy. It's just really fascinating to listen to this conversation. And then, you know, she talks about how, why she didn't become like a life coach, and instead decided to get degrees was because of her experience, being in cults, and seeing how it's very easy for, like life coaches, or coaches or teachers in general, to cross that boundary and become like cult leaders. Lesley Logan 32:55  I also think that like, it's, it's probably not intentional in the beginning.Brad Crowell 33:00  I don't think it starts off intentional, no. Lesley Logan 33:02  In the beginning, because like, I think like, first of all, especially if words of affirmation or your love language, like people are telling you, oh, my God, this helped me and we got this help me and you're like, Oh, my God, if you get this out to everybody, and then like, you keep going. And then at some point, you don't have anyone around you telling me telling you like, no, like, I'll have these ideas. And you guys are very quick to go. I love that idea. Not for now, or actually, like, let's we do that we do this. And not to say that I'm gonna become a cult leader, but I, but like, it's important to have people around you who will like challenge you on your ideas. It doesn't mean I won't fight for them. But it also keeps me from like, just continuing to go as if I'm the only person who knows what the fuck does the right thing to do. Yeah, and then bringing people along with me. And so I don't think people are born going to be a cult leader. But if they can't go that way, becauseBrad Crowell 33:56  Unless you watch the Umbrella Academy, but yes, no. (Lesley: Oh, really? I did not watch that.) You didn't. It's okay. The Umbrella Academy is a sci-fi show where this one of the characters inadvertently becomes a cult leader. And he's like, I love that I'm a cult leader. This is the most amazing thing. It's ridiculous. Lesley Logan 34:12  I watched how to become a cult leader. (Brad: Yeah.) Which is like just like a little satirical, because it's like, obviously it's it's really about like how these people became leaders. And I think it's, I really enjoyed it because in case anybody in your family is in one that can be extremely stressful and it can also take you off your path of like what you're doing on this planet. Because you're you can't snap them out of it like it like you telling them they're in a cult is just going to make them stay. So at any rate, like again, I really wanted to haveBrad Crowell 34:44  I think I think like liberating people from cults is a whole another conversation. Lesley Logan 34:50  Oh, that's a whole another (inaudible).Brad Crowell 34:54  If you're wondering if you're starting a cult right now, chances are unlikely that you are since you have that self-inflection.Lesley Logan 35:01  Go. Yeah, it's like the narcissist thing. Go and look at her top 10 things. Read her book which is so so good.Brad Crowell 35:08  Oh, which is called Uuncultured. Lesley Logan 35:09  Uncultured. Read her book because I also (Brad: Or listen to it.) I really loved how she shared she used the things that she saw in the people of her of the Children of God, when mistakes happen. And she saw it in the face of the men in the military when something happened. She's like, something's wrong here. Like she knew. (Brad: Yeah.) So like, I think that's really good information. And I again, I wanted to have this person on because I, as you listen to this, and you get inspired by people we've had on the podcast, or and you're working on taking the next step in your life. It's so easy for you to end up go going off your path of being it till you see it and being on someone else's path of a cult. So anyway.Brad Crowell 35:52  Yeah, well, let'sLesley Logan 35:57  Let's do the Be It Action. Brad Crowell 35:58  Yeah, hang out real quick. We'll be right back. Brad Crowell 35:59  All right. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Daniella Mestyanek Young?Lesley Logan 36:14  What are your favorites? Brad Crowell 36:45  Yeah, so her bold advice was? Imagine yourself like so. Okay, just to clarify she is, I can't remember what she studied, when she went to school. When she went to Harvard. And anyway, I can't remember exactly what the degree she got. But it was something to do with like, sociology and and the study of people. And she said, imagine yourself when you're 80 and ask, how do you start to backwards plan your life so that you can get to that place? And you know, this is like old school advice. I you know, I've heard about this when I was when I was younger, but it's something that you kind of forget about. Yeah. And I like bringing it back and be and like looking at it and saying, well, what does 80 look like for me? Do you want to be surrounded with like, 8000 grandchildren? Do you want to be on a sailboat sailing around the world? Do you want to be retired in Asia? Do you want to, I don't know, whatever. Like my parents' version of this would innocent me guessing. But my dad has always loved the ocean. And my mom loves it, too. And so they've always wanted to be at a house near the water. And they've been planning for it almost their whole life. Like literally, it took them like 20, almost almost 20 years to get a house near the water. They got a house 20 years ago, that was two miles from the water. And 15 years later, or 16 years later, they finally were like, this isn't close enough. And they were the whole time they were there. They are shopping for the right house. Right? So they were thinking about these things decades ago. Right? And so what do they need to do in order to retire near the ocean? They need, clearly a place to live. So they worked backwards from this ultimate dream that they have this vision that they had of themselves when they were retired. And like it continues, right? Like my mom got this. This, she had this idea where they got this house that about three or four years ago now. And it was not in great shape. But my parents love projects like this.  Lesley Logan 38:58  They do. And your sister picked up another project, she got, it's in the blood.Brad Crowell 39:02  Oh, geez. Yeah. Well, my mom's mom is now in her middle 80s. And, you know, there may come a point where she needs like in home care. And so my mom thought, well, what if we took this house that we want to retire in? And we created, like a first floor plan, where we could have like a guest house on the same level as the primary plan before so that, you know, if you're 89, you're not going up and downstairs basically. Right. And so they've been already thinking ahead, planning, maybe we could support you know, grandma, and then someday, that might support them in that same house, right? Yeah. So they're just you know, thinking ahead, working backwards from this ultimate vision that you have for yourself and this takes inflection, time to sit down and actually think through it. Lesley Logan 39:54  Do you want us to go about this also bold advice? (Brad: Tell me.) The way fitness works is like, if you want to be able to pick up your grandkids at 80, you have to be training your body for that now.Brad Crowell 40:07  Yeah. Yeah, like the age of eight. So yeah, you might have already missed the boat. Lesley Logan 40:12  You did. No, I'm kidding. But like, but like, seriously, because Brad Crowell 40:17  I think I started around 32. Lesley Logan 40:18  Yeah. So if you had, like, if you picture yourself in your old age, like, if you do want to go up the stairs, if you want to, like have your beautiful house, like beautiful master bedroom suite with a balcony, whatever, then you have to be able to go up the stairs at 40 without even thinking about it. Yeah, maybe 50 flights of stairs. So that like as we age, like things like decline. But it's really incredible. Because I have seen people in this, you know, age is really just a number because like, I've seen people at 80 who can do things that like, you're like, whoa, that's phenomenal. Like there's a 63 old woman who was like doing this like, crazy deadlift that like Brad Crowell 40:58  200 pounds, 230 pounds? I saw it.Lesley Logan 41:00  There was another woman who was dead lifting as much as you and my dad was, and I was like, okay, I need to step it up if I want to be because I'm 40 she's 23. So like, 23 years older than me. I better get going if I wasn't able to do that at 63. Anyways, I love that advice. Okay, Brad Crowell 41:15  Yeah, well, so if you're stuck and trying to figure out what life could look like for you at 80 Daniella's advice was, go through all your senses. Okay. Focus on your senses. What are you seeing? What are you hearing? What are you smelling? Tasting? Feeling? What is what is that? What is happening around you? And then how can you plan your life backwards from there? She said, that we only have one life to live. We all know this. But she asked, What do you want out of it? And, you know, I don't know. I think it's funny. Like, we have these ambitions and these goals and these things, but like, do we actually sit down and say what do I want out of life? You know, so do that. Do that. Okay. All right. What about you? Lesley Logan 42:08  Well, after that, I don't know. I actually really loved this, she said, in relation to like bold advice or getting advice from others. She said, listen to all of it. And I was like, okay, like when she said that, I'm not gonna lie. Instead, I was like, should you go like, (Brad: Should you what?) listen to all the advice, listen to all the advice, getting advice, like, you know, getting advice from others, she said, listened to all of it. And I was like, Ooh, I disagree on this. But then she said, however, yeah, if it's negative advice, only listen to the people who've done what you're trying to do. Brad Crowell 42:46  Which is like, drop that fucking microphone that is humongous. Like it's such a, that was such a lightbulb moment for me when she said that I was like, Oh, my God. How come? I've never thought about that before?Lesley Logan 42:56  Right? Like, you know, we, we talk like, we have people who want to do on demand memberships. And since we do them, yeah, I say hello. I think it's a great idea. I can absolutely reach those needs. Here are some things you need to keep in mind. And it's not to deter, but it's to actually like, if I could do it all over again, knowing those things, what would I have done differently? And because no one's gonna get it right the first time. You can learn from that. Yeah. And so anyways, I thought that was really, really, really great and Brad Crowell 43:27  Well, I think so. So here's a good example.Lesley Logan 43:30  Well, she had a great example of her own life. (Brad: Oh, go ahead.) Is it okay if I share it? (Brad: Do it.) So she wanted to write a book. And she wanted to write it, like at the book Educated inspired her and she's like, oh, I want to write that. And there's all these naysayers (inaudible)Brad Crowell 43:44  It's an epic book about cults, PS. Educated.Lesley Logan 43:47  It's less about cults and more, it's, it's more about (inaudible)Brad Crowell 43:51  It's the story of a woman's experience where she grew up in what didn't know was a cult. Lesley Logan 43:58  It's a cult of her family. Yeah. Was a family cult. So you know, but, and she is about like, people who are living in rural areas who are not educated. You know? So anyway, she wanted to write that book. And people were like, you can't do that. There's, that's not going to work.Brad Crowell 44:15  Well, no, they said that there's no way you can be Educated, Educated was such a box office hit as far as books go, you know, don't even bother trying.Lesley Logan 44:26  Yeah. And but four years later, she actually did it. And, and it was along the lines of Educated. Yeah, and The Glass Castle. And what's really funny is Roy Vaden, who was on a couple weeks ago, he actually has a really big thing that like you when you're pitching an idea, you actually should pitch it in the vein of comparing to something like say, it's the educated book, but for cults, or like, it's this for about like the American Idol version of this and it's because people can't envision something that's brand new if it's ever happened, they need to hear it how it's like something else. So but If she listened to the people who'd written books, who were like what their advice was so that she could still do what she wanted to do and not like the people around her went, oh my god, you'll never be the number one best selling book on this topic. Right? You know, which was like, Well, how do they know but like, especially when it's your idea and it's baby and this goes back to Nikole Mitchell's episode, like you have to like, be mindful of who you're telling information to, you know? Lesley Logan 45:44  Daniella, you're phenomenal. Congratulations. You are just getting started really on this incredible journey and the impact you're going to make on this planet not as a cult leader, but as a guide on like, how to make sure that we show up as boldly as we can and have the effects we want to have on this planet but without getting involved with a cult. I'm Lesley Logan,Brad Crowell 46:06  I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 46:07  Thank you so much for listening. Make sure you listen to our interview recaps our FYF's and how are you going to use this in your life? Who are you going to send it to? We want to know so tag Daniella, tag the Be It Pod and oh by the way if you don't watch the pod on YouTube, this one is got multiple things going on because shout out to Daniella who can knit without even looking down. (Brad: Oh yeah.) and talk the whole time. Brad Crowell 46:34  Yeah. And look true supporters of the pod watch the YouTube channel. Okay? (Lesley: Just saying.) That is self-sacrifice. (Lesley: Brad!) Just watch the YouTube, though and if you don't watch the YouTube channel then you're out.Lesley Logan 46:45  There's a JK in all of that, you guys. Have a great day and Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell 46:45  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 46:45  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. 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Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:All the details for OPC insider news How to connect workshops and pilates exercises togetherThe first step in discovering your purpose How you create space to be curious and purposeful The value of curiosityEpisode References/Links:Be in the know with all the workshops at OPCBe a part of Lesley's Pilates MentorshipWaitlist for the flashcards deck  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyUse this link to get your Toe Sox!ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInTranscript:Lesley Logan 0:00  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life Brad and I are going to dig into the purposeful convo I had with Adrian Starks in our last episode. If you haven't like yet listened to that interview. Feel free to pause this now. Go back. Listen to that one. I swear you're gonna fucking love his voice. I promise you... (Brad: Yeah) you know what? Actually, I said, narrator I want him to do those nighttime stories. He should do nighttime stories. I would fall asleep to him like reading the phone book. Absolutely wonderful, Adrian, that's a new job for you. So listen to his voice and come back and join us and let me know what else he should narrate. Because I just, I'm just like, you just keep telling your story. It's great. It's a great voice.(brad: I love it) Alright, so before we talk about Adrian, we just had the very first one day workshop situation for people on the on one on one exercise... (Brad: on OPC) on OPC. And it was so fun because we did the workout, which is kind of like what we do on OPC... (Brad: It was roll up on the mat) roll up on the mat. That was the theme. So the workout was dedicated to that exercise.Brad Crowell 2:15  Yeah, the replay just expired last night.Lesley Logan 2:17  Yeah. So when I create OPC classes, well actually when any teacher creates an OPC class actually think about an exercise or a skill set you need in Pilates, and we thread that through the entire workout. And so that's what we're known for. And so the roll up can be a very annoying, frustrating exercise. And what we did was I created a workout that would actually help you understand the roll up better in your body by the end of the workout. Then we did a little digging in deep with our OPC teachers and they share like what they struggle with and the roll up and how they got around it because everyone has a different body. Everyone has different strengths and weaknesses. And then we did the class again. Yeah, because of OPC you actually repeat the same class.Brad Crowell 2:57  I thought it was cool. I thought it was cool that you did it a second time because now you had the first experience then you discuss things and then you got a second shot at that. Lesley Logan 3:06  Yeah, yeah! And so anyways, people had a lot of fun with it. And so we will we were hoping to do another one later this year on a different exercise. You want to go to opc.me/workshops to get on the what is it a waitlistBrad Crowell 3:21  Waitlist for future workshops. Yeah, opc.me/workshopsLesley Logan 3:25  Somebody might be thinking oh, why get on the waitlist, they'll just tell me about it later. No, here's why algorithms you get busy life changes and also anyone on the waitlist always either gets a special gift or a special discount or something fun fucking happens to people on a waitlist just so you know people on the retreat waitlist got a discount low. So you just want to be on waitlist because we like to give gifts.Brad Crowell 3:45  Yeah, so and also, we're changing the way that our companies work. We are no longer going to be shouting from the rooftops on social, buy my stuff, buy my stuff... (Lelsley: Yeah) So what will the people who are on our waitlist will find out about the really cool things that we're offering now. So just be advised. Yeah.Lesley Logan 4:06  And if you're on social you have less of a chance of hearing about it. So that's all... (Brad: Yeah) be be one of the insiders. Okay. And OPC members last week, we told you there's something exciting coming up, and there's still something exciting coming up and we're not telling you yet. (brad: This is the longest tease) I have no idea. I have no idea when Brad's gonna let me tell you but I've been spilling the beans to a few people.Brad Crowell 4:28  Yeah, we were well FYI there's something cool for OPC for the OPC communityLesley Logan 4:36  If you don't know what it is, it means you were not at the live workout for March and it also means you have not watched the end of the live workout for March. So now I know... (Brad: That's true) And finally finally finally, at the time of this recording, we have a few spots left in round three of my mentorship for elevate. I'm not gonna go into too much detail here because you can, you heard about last week. You can also hear about it in other ways by going to Lesleylogan.co/elevate, Lesleylogan.co/elevate, because that's what we're about to do with your practice your teaching and your connection to the method. I call them my elevators... (Brad: I love it) And because Brad's now into fourth bullets... (Brad: It's happening) If you're wanting the chairs deck, and you didn't get it during the presale, now is the time to get it. Because... (Brad: now is the time) otherwise, you're not going to be part of the first rollout. And that means you have to wait. And if we've sold out, you have to wait even longer.Brad Crowell 5:32  Yeah, so I mean, the reality is, we only placed enough of an order for the people who have placed the order with a little bit of a buffer and the and then it might sell out there. So we would love to include your order. When we're printing everything in round one.Lesley Logan 5:50  Yeah, so go to OPC. So that's onlinepilatesclasses.com. If you're like What the hell is an OPC? Hi, welcome to the podcast. I'm Lesley Logan... (Brad: and I'm Brad Crowell) and OPC is... (Brad: thanks a lot for joining us today) Adrian sorry, that's all you get, no, onlinepilatesclasses.com is our baby. So go check it out. Okay, before we get into Adrian Stark's amazing voice and all this amazing content, what do we, do we have an audience question to get to?Brad Crowell 6:15  We do. And so basically, this is from an OPC member, we have a private Facebook group for the OPC community. And she said, I love the way you theme your workouts and connect exercises together. I really want to understand more about how you do that how you conceptualize that.Lesley Logan 6:35  Yeah, so actually, like we kind of just talked about it with the workshop... (Brad: Yeah, yeah) But also like, that doesn't really help you figure out how to do it... (Brad: That's true) So one of the things that I would love to tell you is the way I do that in less than a 15 minute recap, and I cannot. So the truth is, is that well, how I theme workouts together is because of how I was trained to see the method. And I was trained to see this method. Luckily, I had a lot of amazing teachers in my journey to hear where you're listening to me now. But one of those was Jay Grimes, Sani Shimoda, who...Brad Crowell 7:08  We're still talking Pilates, the Pilates method.Lesley Logan 7:11  Still talking about the pilates method. Thank you, Brad, for, you know, bringing in Tracy from Wisconsin. So um, so my teachers Jake Grimes, Sandy Shimoda, Karen Fishman, they really helped me, like take everything I knew and like, and take it from being like pieces of information, like, like think things like a solar system, like nine planets, and actually see how they're all connected by the stars. Right. So, so effectively, I hope that analogy makes sense. So at any rate, they really helped me put that together. And then since that, since I was able to understand that, I put that into my own practice my own teaching. And that's how OPC was created. Because it was like, how do I make first of all, the classical Pilates method unique every single week? It is I do the same that order? Well, the same order, but it's an order on the mat and reformer, we just omit exercises that don't fit the theme or the time. But how do I do that? And so I started really honing that skill set in and really making it fun and, and what you experience as an OPC member, is it really connected so you can take an exercise that you may not be able to do or one that you struggle with or hate, and really understand it. So how do you do that yourself, I have to be completely honest and tell you you need to be my mentorship because it's something that's going to take time. And I need to have, I need to AC where you're at in your understanding of the method, and in your connection to the practice in your body and how you currently teach. And then help you get like, you could be anywhere on the journey and I need to make sure that we're on the same page. And then because you might even be doing half of it already, when that'd be amazing. If I go actually you're halfway there. Here's some things you could do. Or Hi, that was 1000 words. (...) takes one exercise. So let's go over here. So I really love my elevate mentorship for exactly this. It helps you see the method as like one exercise you do hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of different ways. And allows you to teach everybody in front of you based on connecting them together and also your own body. So if you want to know how I do this, basically the TLDR is sign up for elevate.Brad Crowell 9:18  Yeah, join elevate. .. (Lesley: Yeah) okay. Well, thanks for asking that question. Lesley Logan 9:23  Yeah, you can ask any question you want is my Pilates guys, so last couple of Pilates related. It can actually be life business work or like vacation, whatever it is need to send it into us somewhere on the interwebs not LinkedIn. I'm not over there. But you know, someplace that I can actually find it. And I'll put it on here.Brad Crowell 9:39  Stick around. Right to this we're gonna talk about how Adrian Starks shares the Greatest Journey is the journey inwardLesley Logan 9:45  Right after these messages we'll be right back.Brad Crowell 11:21  Okay, now let's talk about Adrienne Starks. Adrian Starks is a man who decided to begin living on this planet for three reasons to learn, to grow, and then to take action. He is fully living his purpose driven life and inspires others to do the same as a speaker, narrator, entrepreneur and writer. Lesley Logan 12:09  Yeah. So I actually want to jump in first, because I really enjoyed his first step in discovering your purpose, because I just, you know, we've always had, we're like, what's my purpose? Why am I here on this planet, like walking around? Like they may not know. And he said that he the history said, I'm gonna quote him, the greatest journey is a journey inward. And he said, you also have to acknowledge you don't know everything, but then start asking why. And we talked about like, the seven why's like why this? Why this? Why this, like, Why do I want to be a writer? Because that's why do I want to do that? Because that's why do i Why, why, why. And like, we talked about...Brad Crowell 12:44  If you're, if you're trying to discover your purpose, right? Like, why are you here doing what is it that you're supposed to be doing? Why are you here on this planet? Right? And when he started asking himself that he realized he could help other people discover their own purpose, right? And so he his pod is called your purpose, your purpose for life. Right? And so anyway, in order for you to feel fulfilled and excited about, you know, showing up for life, it really will change your excitement, enthusiasm about it, if you find purpose in the thing that you're doing, right? So, you know, it's so interesting to me, because when I was younger, I was part of a coaching group. And the one of the guys said to me, I don't care, I don't care what it is, I have to do, if I have to carry shit from one corner of the room to the other corner and put it down, but after doing it for so many times, it's going to allow me to live, you know, take care of my family the way I want to, I'm willing to do that thing. And I really adopted that. And I was like, Oh, it doesn't matter if I fucking hate showing up for my job. I'm doing this because this is going to allow me to do the thing that I really would rather be doing, which is whatever, touring in music and doing all the band thing. And after doing that approach for decades, I decided I don't like that approach anymore. Because...Lesley Logan 14:12  Thank God, I was like where's this going.Brad Crowell 14:14  I really don't like it because because you know what, I ended up working at a shitty job, working with shitty people. And I told myself, I'm just gonna stick it out because by doing this shitty job, I'm gonna be setting myself up to go do something really amazing. And my thought is, listen, there are times in your life when you have to do stuff you don't want to do? sure, I get that, but what if the thing you have to do your job you actually love? What if you find purpose in that thing? How amazing would that be? Can it be possible for them to be overlaying that you're living the life that you like you're doing something that you love, and you're getting paid for it in a way that will empower you to go do the other things that you love to do, then you can have so much more fun in life.Lesley Logan 14:57  Yeah. I'm so glad that that turned around. I was like...Brad Crowell 15:03  You should have seen her face if you're on YouTube. She's looking at me and her heads tilted to the side like the puppy dogs like: what are you doing?Lesley Logan 15:12  Not to say that if you are shoveling shit that your job is without purpose because the person who picks up our dog poop, I am sure feels very purposeful, and what they chose to do for themselves. And I'm very grateful.Brad Crowell 15:23  So that was my point is like every it's it wasn't fulfilling me the things that I was doing. They weren't doing they weren't lighting my fire. They weren't something that I'm excited abou, passionate about, like amazing at... (Lesley: Yeah) those kinds of things. I was just doing them because I had a job opportunity... (Lesley: Yeah) that could get me paid... (Lesley: Yeah) that's not enough.Lesley Logan 15:41  Yeah. So you know, like, I love that. I'm really glad that you didn't adopt that. It's probably when we met. You probably stopped.Brad Crowell 15:50  Yeah, well, it was. It was. I mean, I don't know. I think it was like, it was it was a combination of the of me leaving the music industry. Because I was betting on that to be the thing that got me out of the shit.  Lesley Logan 16:05  Yeah. And then, oh, I remember this, and you left the music thing. And you're like, well, now I'm here... (Brad: Yeah, now I'm just fucking here) not playing music, because like, this isn't (...). So Oh, yeah. No, it was definitely them. Brad Crowell 16:16  Yeah, it was exactly when we met too. So there's that that was 100% a part of it. But, but really, like, I thought, you know, I'm gonna sell a million records, and I'm just gonna go tour the world. And then all of a sudden, when my band stopped, I was like, Oh now what?Lesley Logan 16:30  Yeah. Like, so I worked retail. I really thought I was gonna work in retail forever. Because I really love the company I worked for at the time we had we sold the most amazing stuff. And it's not because I love to sell the vibe purpose on this planet was help people sell. What I loved was helping people find the thing that made them leave the store the smile on their face, or like they had the gift for someone like I loved helping people, like people, you know, people when you're shopping, imagine, think about last minute shopping, oftentimes you're shopping for like, it's like, what do they call it, like retail therapy. And like they come in, and then I help them find this thing that would like light them up, or make them feel like their selves or like jewelry is like an expression of them. And so I found present now I work with a ton of people who are like this is how I pay my bills, and I can tell you right now, it doesn't matter how amazing that salesperson was, they were never the number one salesperson. They're never the number one because they were just piling up the shit from one corner to the other. So clearly, like whatever you're doing, try to figure out how it aligns with the purpose that you have on this life, or let's find a way to help you bridge the gap... (Brad: Yeah) What did you love?Brad Crowell 17:32  I love it. Alright, so one thing he started talking about was how, you know, now that you're asking why, you know, why am I here? What do I love? Why am I why do I like doing this? Why do I like to know, you know, and kind of going towards your purpose. He said, how you create, you need to create space and be purposeful. And the creating of the space allows you to be curious, okay, and that curiosity really opened up the opportunity to make mistakes in, you know, and to grow and learn and be better at what it is that we're doing. And, again, dial in, hone in, you know, being more purposeful in our life. And, and he actually gave a challenge, he said, Be curious enough to make a mistake, because a lot of people are unwilling to take any risk, unwilling to make any mistakes. But he was giving this really great analogy about Babe Ruth, and it wasn't Mickey Mantle, he referenced somebody... (Lesley: no, somebody else) can't remember now, but he said they actually have more strikeouts than they did homeruns even though they were, you know, the number they were top of the top of the homerun stats... (Lesley: yes). But they failed so many times. Right. And, and then I thought you asked a really great question of like, well, how do you, you know, how do you set yourself up to be curious? And he said, Oh, by being alone. And it was like, well, that's interesting, very interesting. So he figured out how to leave his mind the mental space to be curious, by setting aside time for himself... (Lesley: Yeah) You know.Lesley Logan 19:20  This is, this is, that right there is the problem most people have, they do not create space for new stuff. So they could they it doesn't even matter if you know what your purpose is. If you have not created the time. I don't care if it's 15 minutes. I don't care if it's 2% of your day. Brad Crowell 19:38  Yeah. Dai Manuel.Lesley Logan 19:41  If you don't do that, it doesn't mean it doesn't none of the stuff that we're telling you matters. None of it does. And too often I see people go must be nice. I wish I could do this when I have more time. I'm telling you right now, you will never stop being the busyness that you are until you create the time for your purpose. And until you start actually like owning that and protecting that and is going to require being alone and I know my extroverts are like: don't wanna be alone. But you Brad also when you take time to go for a walk by yourself, you come up with so many ideas. But if you're like on phone calls all day, on your socials all the time, hang up people all the time.Brad Crowell 20:20  Listening to podcasts all day long.Lesley Logan 20:23  Let your let your your let things be silent, you know. So anyways, I thought that was one of the most amazing answers loved It's so fucking much.Brad Crowell 20:31  Well, he talks about he's shared a lot of his story about like school, middle school, high school and being alone and working in the library and stuff. And it actually made me think about that time. And also about my time in college, when I was intentionally writing music all the time. And I had in my calendar, don't call Brad. Brad is writing, right? And I have intentional time, to be creative, to be curious, to learn, to try new things, to flop at new songs, all that kind of stuff. And when I was in high school, I remember I always wanted to be part of like the group. But I remember actually, like I would, I would walk I would walk home. And it was like 30 minutes. But I would take different routes and I would explore and try new things and know the curiosity like can I walk through this neighborhood to get to where I'm trying to go. And that that alone time, you know, I didn't have a, I think I might have had a diskman in high school, but not really. So I didn't have something to distract me.Lesley Logan 21:37  You're gonna have to explain it what a diskman was just in case somebody is listening to this. Brad Crowell 21:42  If you were born in the 90s you don't know what a diskman is because you never needed to use one. A diskman is a CD player that is portable. That's all.Lesley Logan 21:51  You know, you just made me think of remember when when I left working for the fitness company. And I no longer had to commute from West Hollywood to the west side, which is by the way... (Brad: right) three miles, y'all Brad Crowell 22:02  But it was like 30 to 45 minutesLesley Logan 22:04  30 45 minutes, and in those 30 to 45 minutes, you could rarely get me on the phone. I literally just enjoyed I had a jeep with the top off. And even in the winter, I just blast the heat. And I drove through the streets of Beverly Hills, like like I mean it was beautiful picture as everything you see from a clueless when she's walking and clueless like literally that. And then I went from just like driving from our house to the studio, which is one mile and I could take the side streets. So I was there in four minutes, unless I hit this one stoplight, and then it was seven, but still, like no time at all. And I remember and I come home and you would have been working from home all day and you're like ready to talk. And I'm like, Ah, I haven't been alone. And like, so I ended up we got rid of the Jeep. So I could walk home. I could walk home. And it was a 15 to 20 minute walk depend on how fast I went. And it was the perfect time for my brain for me to be alone to think about thing. And that's where I actually going back to those seven layers of why the first time I could get all the way to number seven was on a walk. Because I could actually like go and I could get past number seven because I wasn't around. It wasn't in my surroundings of our house or my work. I was like walking with the squirrels and all this stuff. So anyways, highly recommend get some time by yourself.Brad Crowell 23:22  Yeah, I think that's great. And for you especially, it's really a way for you to energize or re energize... (Lesley: Yeah) You know, for me, I think like I have, I actually really struggle with it because I have a hard time. Like, like, it's hard. The story that I've told myself about alone time and not doing anything is that I'm not being efficient, and I'm wasting time. And I think that we need to combat that concept of I'm wasting time because the time your brain needs space and like little distraction, to be creative. And that creativity that sparks curiosity that allows you to come up with different ideas, you know, and, uh, you know, time after time, I've realized I fill every second of my day with, you know, if I'm literally like doing the dishes, I'm also listening to a podcast or maybe I've got a show on or something. Or if I'm going for a walk, I'm often again listening to a book or listening to a pod. And I don't leave myself time just to let my mind percolate. You know... (Lesley: yeah) and it's not wasting time. It's important. Lesley Logan 24:30  No, it's important and 2% of your day is enough time, which is 30 minutes.Brad Crowell 24:36  Yes 2%All right, so finally let's talk about those Be It action items what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Adrian Starks.Lesley Logan 24:58  I'm going first again. It is my show. All right, here we go. Get curious, question people, question yourself and I don't, I think when people think question people, question why someone's, it's not to be antagonistic, it's just like, just because you have a thought doesn't make it a fact. So ask yourself like, oh, like why? Why is that? What? Like question you don't have to like question authority, or you should, but you don't have to, like, be antagonistic. It's just like, if you've always done things in one way, ask yourself, if that's still serving you, ask yourself that you'd be willing to try something different, you know, like, really dive in deep on some of the habits you have, because if they're not serving you, with time they get rid of them. And we got to get curious about that. First to understand you gotta like test things out in the water. I'm, I love testing out my morning routine, I really do. So you know, and the best way to test is like, get out of your comfort zone and do something different.Brad Crowell 25:56  Yeah, I do it respectfully. Part of it is something that I wanted to speak to because I was very antagonistic in my youth, about questioning authority, and not in like, I'm not like, you know, throwing rocks and started fights kind of thing, but I would challenge authority intellectually.Lesley Logan 26:21  You guys he literally did every single assignment in college and never turned it in. Let me just talk about like...Brad Crowell 26:28  I intentionally got the worst GPA you could possibly get. I failed every class... (Lesley: but he went) I went to all the classes. I wouldn't take the tests but I would do all the papers in the homework but I just wouldn't turn them in so I had a really interesting you know, it's part of my ego I think too for sure... (Lesley: Oh, you think) but but you know, the questioning people, questioning myself, you know, questioning authority that all of that really does roll into curiosity.Lesley Logan 27:05  Well, there's yeah, there's there's definitely been like, like curiosity is like being a detective versus like a judge.Brad Crowell 27:11  Yeah, we're being a dick about it. You know?Lesley Logan 27:14  Be a detective not a dick. Thats the new merch. I'm a detective not a dick.Brad Crowell 27:25  I love it man.Lesley Logan 27:28  Well anyways...Brad Crowell 27:29  We'll have to put that on like a like I don't know if that's I don't know what that goes. Lesley Logan 27:33  It's like a sticker. It's sticker related, it's a bumper sticker for someone's car but not mine. Because I don't put them on the car. But we could put it on the Yeti. Um you know how at the gym people write on the walls... (Brad: Oh yeah) Oh my god some of that makes me so "no pain no gain", "sweat is just pain leaving the body" like I'm just gonna put be a detective not a dick, x x LL, Be It Till You See It. Anyways, you guys I think Adrian episode was just full of so many things. And so to sum it all up, get curious, question people, question yourself and let us know how you enjoyed this. Let us know what parts of this were really spoke to you and what you're gonna do about it and... (Brad: Let us know if you loved Adrian's voice) and how it's gonna help you have a purposeful life. And also you can listen to Adrian's voice on, for free, on his podcast, wherever podcasts are at your purposeful life. And so he has amazing guests that he puts up all the time. He's so intentional, and... (Brad: you were on there, right?) I was on there. We had a debate. We had great sweatshirt action. We both showed up in a gray sweatshirt. It was really funny. I'm like I'm going to wear a gray sweatshirt today. And I sit down he's like I had a feeling you would wear a gray sweatshirt... (Brad: you got the memo) Okay, I don't even never wear a gray sweatshirt on it. Like normally I try to like look good. Anyway, go to this podcast you can you can start with my episode and see if you enjoy the theme of his podcast which I think you will if you enjoyed this episode. So until next time, Be It Till You See It. Share it with friends and we'll hopefully see you around soon. Brad Crowell 29:08  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 29:08  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!      Be It Till You See It is a production of Bloom Podcast Network.  Brad Crowell 29:08  It's written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan. And me Brad Crowell. Our associate producer is Amanda Frattarelli.Lesley Logan 29:08  Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing.        Brad Crowell 29:08  Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianranco Cioffi.       Lesley Logan 29:08  Special thanks to our designer Mesh Herico for creating all of our visuals, (which you can't see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all the video each week, so you can.Brad Crowell 29:08  And to Angelina Herico for transcribing each episode, so you can find it on our website. 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Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How you get to Cambodia. Can you do Pilates on the wall? Acknowledge and be very specific.Where the problem lies in change.sustaining change is where the problem usually lies.The importance of celebrating your wins How to set your non-negotiable everyday Episode References/Links:Join us in Cambodia!Pilates Exercises to do on the wallThe Whole Life Fitness Manifesto  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyUse this link to get your Toe Sox!ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Brad Crowell 0:00  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:09  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life Brad and I are going to dig into the enthusiastic combo I had with Dai Manuel. Well, in our last episode, if you haven't yet listened that episode, feel free to go back and listen that interview, and then come back and listen this one or you can just let it play backwards. And you can see if you resonate with it (...) do however you want to do it... (Brad: how everyone do it) You know, it's I'm actually struggling with that kind of like doing it backwards situation. I'll tell you why. So there's a podcast I'm listening to and they actually dropped like two or three episodes in a day. And so which is, because of... Brad Crowell 0:44  Episodes, or they're adding to their, it's a whole new episode?Lesley Logan 0:47  It's a whole new episode... (Brad: Oh that seems like a lot of work) it's like part one, part two, it's like way too much work. And they also have way too many ads. And like not like we have ads look, a lot of ads is how things go. But they had like four minutes with the same ad and I'm gonna say it but I have it memorized at this point. It's just like repeats, but I want to know what's going on. And you cannot go from the back to the front. You have to start with the front and it just too much work. Well. That's feedback for them. They're not listening. It's okay. Anyways... (Brad: Nailed it). Well, I'm so happy you're here listening to this one.Brad Crowell 1:17  Yeah, we won't have four minutes of the same ad. Don't worry.Lesley Logan 1:20  No, no, we have different ends... (Brad: Yes). And, and also, it's so exciting. So we just got been back for a bit from our Mexico vacation... (Brad: Oh yeah!) which was so much fun. But what's (...) what's coming up next was like, we're definitely in March Matness now. Yes, M A T not M A D. The M A D starts later in the month, which always baffles me because it's not really March Madness, because it goes in April, but March Madness is where you do the Pilates classical mat exercises one every day for the whole month of March. And so, in honor of March Madness, we are doing a workshop on the roll up this month... (Brad: Yeah) Yeah, I'm really excited. I got my OPC teachers joining me. And we're gonna do this amazing workshop where we actually really dial in all the different reasons why you might be struggling with this exercise, how to help you do it. If you're like, what's the roll up, it's the one where your legs are together, you try to sit up from off the floor, and usually your legs go flying around.Brad Crowell 2:21  It's so hard.Lesley Logan 2:22  It's so hard. Even if you have like a six pack, it's actually even harder for you most likely. So you'll want to definitely check out our workshop on that if you have been wanting to understand the roll up in a better way. If you've been wanting to dive into your mat, if you just wanted to have like someone, you know, teach you, don't be a teacher to do it, then that's workshops happening this month. You can go to onlinepilatesclasses.com to get on that waitlist. I'll put the link in the show notes. And we are on the countdown. This monthly countdown. We are less than we're like six months, seven months away from literally seven months away from being in Cambodia. That's right. Yeah. But I don't think we told people the story about in Monterrey when we ran into a girl from Cambodia.Brad Crowell 3:06  Oh my gosh. So this was the most fun. We were, so very, whenever we go to these big events, and there's like hundreds of people and stuff, we're always with everybody. Well somehow like very randomly, we found ourselves like ready to go to dinner. And we hadn't made any plans with anyone. And there wasn't like a big party standard. Like we just were like, oh, let's go to dinner, just the two of us. So that was actually nice. And we're like, well, where do we go? So I just Googled gluten free near me and found a burger joint. And it was like, okay, you know, that's fine. Gluten Free burger buns. And so we walked over... (Lesley: It's only a block away). So we're like, that's right there. And they had kombucha on draft.Lesley Logan 3:48  That hard kombucha on draft which I was like done. And then I saw they had sweet potato fries. I was like, Well, this is just the most amazing thing. I was so excited... (Brad: Yeah). And the girl behind the counter was so excited to see how...Brad Crowell 3:57  She was super cute, she was like really enthusiastic... (Lesley: Yes). And behind her on the wall was a whole bunch of money... (Lesley: It was a bunch of foreign money, I should say) Yeah... (Lesley:And so...) I saw Costa Rica, India, England, Canada.Lesley Logan 4:10  Yeah. So I looked at Brad and I said, Do we have any of our Cambodian money in your wallet? And he was like, looking at me like, I don't think we have I don't think I have any from this last trip. And she is like, you have Cambodian money.Yeah, she's like, Why do you have Cambodian money? Yeah, I'm like, Oh, we go there all the time. We lead a retreat. She's like, I am Cambodian. I am Cambodian... (Brad: Yeah). And so we had the most amazing time. We started speaking to her...Brad Crowell 4:33  Not only that, she only moved to The States like a year and a half ago and only been in Monterey for six months or so. And so suddenly, we began to just talk to her and khmer.Lesley Logan 4:42  Yeah, we started talking khmer, and she was so impressed with our khmer. Of course our khmer was actually this from the same area that she's from. So the dialect is very similar, and we could understand, and chat with her.Brad Crowell 4:54  She speaks way faster than us. Way faster... (Lesley: Yeah), it was so much funLesley Logan 5:00  It was so fun. And so a got us like really even more excited to go back to Cambodia because, you know, it's just that's not every day that we run into someone who actually can speak khmer so anyways, we're going to Cambodia we want you to come with us, lesleylogan.co/retreats to get information.Brad Crowell 5:15  Right, yeah, slash retreats, we'll add you to the waitlist so lesleylogan.co/retreats. And then that will trip an email that'll show you what's going on right now... (Lesley: Yeah), we would love to have you come with us if you're like, ah, Cambodia? No. It's not as scary as you think it is. It's actually...Lesley Logan 5:35  It's the most beautiful place.Brad Crowell 5:37  Oh, it's a beautiful place and the trip getting there is actually really easy. I know, it's on the other side of the world for most of us. But, you know, when you fly internationally, they give you free booze and lots of movies, good to go.Lesley Logan 5:48  Yeah, yeah. And then also it's been it's been a week together at my house, at our house. And it's always a small group. So it's just like, it's truly a retreat. It's like (...). It's so much fun. So, join us on this next one, because we're only doing one this year and we want you on it... (Brad: Yeah, bursts). Alright, before we get into Dai's interview amazingness. Do we have an audience question?Brad Crowell 6:10  We sure do. We, somebody very laughingly asked: wait, you could do Pilates at a wall?... (Lesley: Yeah, I've been getting) Wasn't really actually a question. The question would be, can you do pilates at the wall?... (Lesley: Yeah), the answer is yes.Lesley Logan 6:25  Well, because my mom. And I think three other people in our family have sent me an ad of like people doing Pilates at the wall. And you can see it a lot is an air quotes at the wall. And then it just anyways, the ads that I'm seeing replies at the wall are awesome exercises that are not Pilates but they are low impact, they are body weight, and I don't think they're gonna make your butt look like that. I definitely think that that takes some more squats in that. But please, by all means, if you'd like to workout and make you makes you go have fun. But you can do Pilates with the wall, their actual place exercises that you can do at the wall. And I have been doing them at the wall for years, and teaching them and even Joseph Pilates top people pilates at the wall, there were squats at the wall, there was a roll down at the wall. There's like a lot of things you could do that are really amazing. And so when you only are an airport or at a hotel and you're afraid to be on the floor there, there are a significant amount of exercises both Joseph Pilates approved and on ones that I've taken from being on the ground to be at the wall to challenge our balance and our asymmetries. Some of my teacher taught me and so if you go into the show notes, there is a link.Brad Crowell 7:36  Yeah, we have an entire blog post all about Pilates exercises you can do with the wall over at onlinepilatesclasses.comLesley Logan 7:43  (...)And you would do them to really better your posture and help you work. A long lifted tall spine. It might not be as accessible for you on the floor as it is on a wall, there's the sometimes more feedback on how squishy your mat is (Brad: squishy) squishy. So what what's so funny is ever since people been sending me this and asking me like, can it like do I have these exercises in a class? My blog post about this these exercises has been going through the roof it is taken the number one blog post off it's thrown, everyone's doing this. So I love that people are googling it. I love that they're coming across our exercises because they'll keep you strong, safe and they'll actually be super effective for you having an awesome tall spine, better digestion, better posture, better life.Brad Crowell 8:31  100%... (Lesley: Yeah). Okay, now let's talk about Dai Manuel. Dai has your back when it comes to sustaining personal change in your life. As a change advocate and coach, he shares how his personal story led him to change both externally and internally. And to maintain that change. That's the big part. The Sustaining of it. Die has been proudly dating his wife for 23 years. He's the father of two girls and a and he's also a lifestyle mentor. As a digital thought leader, author, lifestyle mentor and Ted Talk host, he engages and challenges people to live healthy lifestyles.Lesley Logan 8:33  Yeah, I really enjoyed our conversation... (Brad: Yeah, his enthusiasm was contagious). Yeah, it was so it was, very bubbly energy and then he was like, I was just going off of your and your energy and I'm being real honest. Like, prior to hitting him, like come into that same class. I was like, Okay, here we go. Got this. So you know, so like, so like, maybe it was mutual, but it was, I think we just like kind of fed off each other. So that was a lot of fun. He said so many things that we could talk about forever, like, just go listen to the podcast. But I love this because this is something that I also saw in BJ Fogg's chapter on, like getting your family to have better habits in your life that you wish that they would do. And so I was I'm out, like how to support other people in their change. So you know, it can be hard to be a bystander when people are trying to make changes, or there's changes you want to make in their life. And we just want to like do it for them and like, tell them but what Dai was saying is like, complement the things that they're doing that you want them to keep doing. So like if they're, you know, if they're doing something that you're like, Oh, yes, they made their bed. It's like, acknowledge that and be very specific. Don't go great job this morning, like, loved how you made your bed this morning. That is amazing. That's so great. Like, it's just Isn't it so nice when your beds made?Brad Crowell 10:49  He was specifically talking about his daughters and how, how they encouraged and applaud the positive aspects of the things that they're doing.Lesley Logan 11:00  Yeah, yep. And, and then try to catch them in the act of doing something right. So you can support them. So try to actually like be around for that. And so yeah, so so there was a whole chapter on this in in BJs book. So I love this part. And it happened to do with like this father, who just would like just butt heads with the son. And he would just go, like, can you just clean out the espresso thing and the coffee when you're done using it? And the kid would like, grunt like of course, and and so one day, he didn't actually, like completely clean it. But he did, like, partially clean it. And he's like, Hey, thanks for doing that thing. And the next week, it got better. And then it's so common to the next step. And and it's like those baby steps. I wish that it worked on August, I wish that when I complimented him on not barking he would stop but it's fine.Brad Crowell 11:46  He's so good at not barking.Lesley Logan 11:47  I saw that. So you just left him alone. And he's like, Oh, I left him alone wof wof. But at any rate, um, I just I think that this is really important, whether it's a child that's in your life or a partner in your life, or a sibling or a parent.Or someone on your team at work.Yeah, well, because people like the way our brain works you guys is that we're going to do everything to lean into what it feels good and get away from what doesn't feel good. So you're getting mad at someone or you like, making conflict around something isn't it going to make them go: You know what I should do right now? like do the thing that like I want my brain wants to vis like run away from so anyway, I just thought it was a really great part of the conversation that we could all use. Because who doesn't want to like be told good things about themselves?Brad Crowell 12:31  Yeah. And and I think I think you mentioned something in the convo. In the when you as the supporter of someone going through change. We often just have this tendency to see only the bad shit. Why didn't you do this? You did this terrible thing again, oh, hey, bla, bla, bla bla, right, and we focus on the negative. And when instead you're focusing on the positive, you're, you're passing that perspective along to the person who's effecting change, because one thing he shared about his personal story was how he felt trapped in his downward spiral, spiral, you know, where he started putting on weight, and he knew he's putting on weight. And then what did he really just want to do? He's gonna play video games, watch movies, and eat junk food. So he binge, he would binge eat, which just makes the problem even worse, and they feel even worse about himself. You know, and then everyone's commenting about him, and he's feel even worse about himself. Right? But when, if you are able to start sharing the positive "hey, nice job". You know, like, that sandwich looks really great, you know, if to the sandwich that would be beneficial for them, you know, kind of a thing, then that lets them go. Oh, there are good things that I can focus on... (Lesley: Yeah. Yeah), I think we're just (...) trapped to you know, we're getting so stuck on the negative. Lesley Logan 14:01  Oh, well, of course, because that's what our brains are conditioned to do. But I just mean, like, when he you know, when he told us that he wanted to bicycle his dad didn't go. Well, you're just gonna play video, you're not going to use it. Seriously video games anyway. Said let's go get a bicycle... (Brad: right). So like, just the people in your life who you can tell are trying to make change. Help them if they're asking for it in that moment, if you can, and if not, like at least like tell them when it's going. Yes, someday or this weekend? Like, how about three o'clock on Friday? Like I you know what I mean? Like, the more we can inspire each other, the more people will do it for us. It just that's the way the world works. What's one thing you love that, that he brought up?Brad Crowell 14:39  Yeah, so we were talking about this during his his bio, but sustaining change is where the problem usually lies. Because, you know, at first you have this enthusiasm and this excitement around it. And so your willpower is stronger. But he said, and I thought this is really interesting. He said that is a depleting resource, right? So imagine a pile of gold. If you keep spending it, the pile goes away. It's a depleting resource where your enthusiasm to embrace the change that you may want to see in your life. Right, he said, so some tricks, some tips that you can use to maintain the change is to decide, he said, it all starts with a decision, but get the hardest thing out of the way first, so he talked about the book Eat The Frog... (Lesley: Yep). And if the hardest thing you have to do that day is eat a frog, then you should do it. Absolutely. The first possible thing you could do is eat the frog. Because in the rest of the day, that the hardest thing already, right? And he said, the initial steps to take the most amount of motivation, and activation, and what are you most likely to have the most motivation and activation? It's probably, you know, in the earlier in the day when your brain is the freshest. So and then he also talks about smart goal setting, which I've heard before I thought this was really cool. In fact, I'm sure we talked about it on the pod because I think another guest talked about it. I can't remember now. But SMART is an acronym. It stands for Specific, Measurable, Actionable, Realistic, time based goal setting, right? So what would be a SMART goal? That someone who wanted to become more physically active? What would be a SMART goal that they could set for themselves? So specific...Lesley Logan 16:32  Something that's specific... (Brad: measurable) I'm gonna go for a run. It's like, actually, I'm willing to run one mile.Brad Crowell 16:38  Okay, then measurable?... (Lesley: Yep), one mile... (Lesley: in the mornings), in the mornings, actionable. So that's something that you can do. It's not necessarily something that you're relying on others to do for you, you can go do it. What's realistic? Is one mile realistic?Lesley Logan 16:53  Well, it depends on the person. But if I add my dog, probably a little bit now I've got the dog exercise in there at the same time.Brad Crowell 16:59  Okay. And for me, I can tell you right now running a mile. Maybe that's not realistic... (Lesley: Well, you know) for me (...)Lesley Logan 17:06  (...) try to run a 5k So I guess I'm gonna figure that out.Brad Crowell 17:10  I can slowly walk, jog, trip, stumble a mile, but running a half a mile? I could certainly do.Lesley Logan 17:16  And then time based for this month.Brad Crowell 17:20  Yeah. When do you want to do... (Lesley:Yeah) said goal.Lesley Logan 17:23  But also like, like, there's got to be a time setting. So like, when is it starting? When is it ending? Or when you're evaluating it, so that you, it's not like I'm doing this for the rest of my life. That's overwhelming.Brad Crowell 17:34  Right? Yeah. So start now stop when you know, or you're going to do it before X date? Yep. Yeah. So anyway, that's, that's great. So these are, these are some pretty straightforward, you know, action items that we could be taking in our own lives... (Lesley: Yeah, with anything we're doing). Yeah. So whether that is, I know one thing that you really started doing with your, you wanted to change your mornings up?... (Lesley: Yeah). And so you made a decision to get your own workout in, you know, so you had to make time to do that. And to do that you've moved your clients so that you actually have the time in the morning, right. So there's, these were small steps. Okay, I gotta move this quiet. Okay, that gives me this time. Okay, now I have to make the decision to actually do my workout. And what's been happening. Now, you, how long have you been doing your morning routine?Lesley Logan 18:28  Forever. And also, I just changed an order of it again, because one of the thing that I was wanting to do, I was like, I could tell I was talking myself out of it. So I lit, I literally was like, Okay, well, we're just gonna move it up in the morning routine, so that we actually can do the other things that we want to do that we're not negotiating beforehand. It was just like, you know, it's the pu... it's the handstand, push ups and things I had these goals on, and they're fucking hard. And I don't I want to I want to be the person who can do them. I don't want to be the person doing them. So it's problem right now. But at the same token, like I just moved them up earlier in the morning routine, so that they get done, so I eat the frog.Brad Crowell 18:29  All right. So finally, let's talk about those Be It action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Dai Manuel? I'm gonna hop in first here. He talks about celebrating your wins... (Lesley: You know, I'm about that). Oh, we know you are all about that. And I know when he was telling his story about the hill and his bicycle when he was in his early to mid teens. You know, one day he finally got to the top and he was like I did it. Just did it. Right. And the just did it thing is so funny. I think it's really clever. And I hope he makes merch out of that checkmark a checkmark instead of a swoosh. And instead of just do it, I just did it.Lesley Logan 19:59  Yeah, Um, if he can do that, though, I want to just be it. I'm just saying, I just I'm fighting with you all, I want to just be it. I just want to just be it. Brad Crowell 20:07  Just be it.Lesley Logan 20:07  Yeah... (Brad: I love that). Okay, anyways, back to the...Brad Crowell 20:10  You know, and the celebration of it. Just like you were just talking about with your morning routine as you are making those adjustments to your morning routine, you feel good about it, right? And if you acknowledge Oh, I felt good about this today, because what you're gonna want to do tomorrow, feel good again, and it helps build momentum.Lesley Logan 20:29  Yeah, you got to, and I know it sounds hilarious to say it out loud by yourself. But you have to, you have to find some way of actually celebrating in that moment. And maybe (...) to check a box off. Or maybe there's an app you use that like cheered Monday does this little like confetti thing for done. You know? So you got to find something like that.Brad Crowell 20:49  I mean, you could do this after you leave a workout. I don't really, I never liked going to the gym, right? And I don't always enjoy the workouts like sometimes I'm angry at the end of the workout because I hate that I just did that to my body. Lesley Logan 21:04  I really hate when I look at the board. And I'm like, No, these aren't moves I want to do today.Brad Crowell 21:07  Right. But at the end of the workout, I literally tell myself, I'm glad that I worked out. You know, and I think when I used to work in the restaurant business, when I was in my early teens, my friend always told me, and I don't know how I remember to do this. But he said when we're in the kitchen, if you're gonna walk out on that floor, he said, when you walk through this doorway, you have a smile on your face.Lesley Logan 21:28  Oh, we had that. Also, like with work. It's like when you walk through the door. It's showtime, like, you know, like, leave your problems at the door. This is the time to like, have fun. And like, even that can help you feel like you're celebrating a little bit.Brad Crowell 21:40  But when I would go out on the floor with a smile on my face, I would have fun on the floor with my guests. Yeah. And then by the end of my shift, I was enjoying my shift... (Lesley: you were being it until you see it). Yeah. And so you know, this momentum this celebrating that win, will will benefit you in all sorts of aspects of your life.Lesley Logan 21:59  All right, um, my biggest takeaway was, this is just like, I love this non negotiable everyday 30 minutes for yourself. So even if you're like, you guys, I cannot at all get up any earlier. I cannot do these things, whatever, blah, blah, 30 minutes for yourself non negotiable everyday 30 minutes by yourself. Brad Crowell 22:16  Okay, so he casually slid in there. The statistic that you know, all sudden turn my head and I was like double checking his math. He said 30 minutes a day. It's only 2% of your day. I was like ball... (Lesley: 2%) But it is it's 2%... (Lesley: 2% of your day). 15,400 minutes in a day. 30 minutes? Is only 2% of 15, 40.Lesley Logan 22:36  Brad, are you gonna start taking 30 minutes every day?... (Brad: I think that I can) I mean, it's like it's 2% of your day... (Brad: It's only 2%) He says move for 15, 5 minutes of meditation and 10 minutes of personal development. Yeah, and so like even that like if you are someone who's like what do I do for 30 minutes or myself? Five minutes of meditation, 15 minutes to move, 10 minutes personal development.Brad Crowell 22:59  Yeah, he said the 15, he said do it in in the order of movement, that meditation and then the personal development because when you doLesley Logan 23:06  This podcast can be a personal development by the way.Brad Crowell 23:09  Yeah, absolutely. He said, you become a sponge. After you've worked out your body. You've given your mind some space and then you learn about you, you work on only you, he said not business development. Personal Development. Yeah. Then you become a sponge.Lesley Logan 23:24  Yeah. And so if you are like absolutely in love with the enthusiasm that Dai had I mean, Brad: It was contagious). Contagious. The good kind, the best kind, the kind you want. And you're like yeah, I need 10 minutes of personal development, guess what? Check out his book, The Whole Life Fitness Manifesto. You could absolutely set a timer for 10 and get a kitchen timer. And check that out. And let me know if you do.Brad Crowell 23:46  I love it. My name is Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 23:59  I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 24:01  I'll see you next time. Thanks for joining us today.Lesley Logan 24:04  Thank you for joining us today, Brad's trying to do my job so I do my own job. We are so grateful that you're here. We really really are. I hope you enjoyed this interview. I hope you enjoyed this recap. Let us know how you can use these tips in your life. Let's know if you get and then Dai's book, and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 24:20  Bye for now.That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!      Lesley Logan 24:20  Be It Till You See It is a production of Bloom Podcast Network. Brad Crowell 24:20   It's written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan. And me Brad Crowell. 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Your health is not a fad. There is no quick fix for a healthy lifestyle but this episode holds some tricks for meal prepping to success and the way you can create lasting change in your wellness. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Making your health and fitness a priority as part of your lifestyle.How to shift out of fad diet cultureThe benefit of sharing your health journey with others Seven easy ways you can meal prep Episode References/Links:Longtime listener first time callerLet's go to Cambodia!Get on the waitlist for flashcards  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyUse this link to get your Toe Sox!ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the feeling convo I had with Sara Frenza in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened that episode, feel free to pause this now and go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us. And by the way, if this is the first episode you've ever listened to. Hi, I's me and Lesley Logan. Hello.Brad Crowell  Oh, hey, my name is Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan  I already introduced you. I know. I know. So but I just thought like maybe every once in a while. I'll just say who I am just in case. There's a first timer. Hello. (Brad: Hey.) Welcome to the Be It pod.Brad Crowell  Yeah, we're so glad you're here.Lesley Logan  This is the recap. It is a Cliff's Notes version. And our opinions of what happened on Monday's pod.Brad Crowell  Yeah, we're summarizing, pulling out a couple talking points, expo... expounding on them, all those things. (Lesley: I like inexpoundsion ...) Inexpoundsion? That's not word, 100% not a word. I wouldn't even know how to spell it, expound s i o n. (Lesley: Yeah.) expound... No, no. (Lesley: Maybe ...) Expoundsion. (Lesley: Maybe it's x i o n, expoundxion) Expansion. (Lesley: Ah, that's such a boring word.) It's a boring word. We're making them up ... Well, before we make up more new words. A couple quick announcements here.Lesley Logan  We just drove back from the POT, Balanced Body's Pilates On Tour at Monterrey. And the flashcards went like hotcakes. (Brad: Oh, yeah.) Oh, yeah. You guys, it's just so fun to see how you guys use these flashcards in your life. I love, I love it. I love showing them to you. I love you getting your hot hands on them.Brad Crowell  We're talking about the Pilates flashcards that Lesley made. Just in case you're the first timer we've ever known ...Lesley Logan  Oh, yeah. Just in case you're Tracy from Michigan. Is that what they say? (Brad: Yeah, Tracy.) This is for Tracy.Brad Crowell  I think we're gonna call it Bob. Because Bob is going to be the husband of someone who does Pilates and he just doesn't have a clue. (Lesley: Okay, we can call him Bob.) Where's Bob from? (Lesley: Well, I'm just gonna, like ...) Do we not like Bob?Lesley Logan  ... Hi, males. If you're listening, there's like, it's like we have a lot of amazing women and a few good men. So, I think it could be like Cheryl from Wisconsin.Brad Crowell  Okay, Cheryl from Wisconsin.Lesley Logan  Yeah, she's pi curious.Brad Crowell  She's pi curious.Lesley Logan  And you need our Mat flashcards. Anyways, we, maybe we'll change her every name every week. But anyways, these are my flashcards the links in the show notes. We are about and this brings us to the next exciting news. (Brad: Yeah.) We are literally days away from announcing deck number four. Now, (Brad: days away) Cheryl's if you're pi curious you don't have a Wunda Chair this might not apply to you but it might apply to your teacher. So we I finished the chairs flashcard and when I say chairs plural is because there were multiple, (Brad: three) yeah I'm also there's pural chairs but ... (Brad: If you're a chair curious.) Yeah. There's there's a High Chair also there's an Electric Chair. There is an Arm Chair also known as a Baby Chair. And there is a Wunda Chair which is always called that. SoBrad Crowell  Unless you get the exo chair ...Lesley Logan  Which they people, well that's still a Wunda Chair, (Brad: I know.) but we've call it, I have an exo chair. (Brad: Yeah.) So you can have that chair. You can have ...Brad Crowell  ... like there's 50 names for them all. But we call them the chairs.Lesley Logan  You can have a homemade chair. You can have whatever chair has springs to it. I've seen them all and I did a very thorough job. I like to pat myself on the back and making sure our how to use this deck card has information on how to apply whatever your chair is to whatever chair I have and if you're like, "But Lesley I don't have a High Chair and a Baby Chair." I don't care. If you might have access to them ...Brad Crowell  Right. You might have access to one, at some point you might want to get one and totally okay. (Lesley: Well) It's just consider an extra information.Lesley Logan  Welcome to be it till you see it. (Brad: That's right.) I'm going to help you be the person who knows how to teach equipment until you see that equipment. So, it is and then just in case you are someone who needs to know how many cards, 72% of this deck is for Wunda Chair so that is more than two thirds. So no excuses, get on the waitlist at opc.me/flashcard waitlistBrad Crowell  opc.me/flashcard waitlistLesley Logan  that is hard slash flash.Brad Crowell  I know the slash discussion really messed up me last time, too.Lesley Logan  That's that that was a voice. I went to a sort of speaking, what do you call it speech therapy? (Brad: Yeah.) That was not in my list of things to work on any ... (Brad: No, slash flash.) Anyways, according to last week's episode, Brad said we're only gonna let the waitlist people know. SoBrad Crowell  Yeah, get on the waitlist because well the waitlist people are gonna get the link.Lesley Logan  Yeah, to the presale. (Brad: That's right.) Yeah, so you're gonna get the best deal. (Brad: Yeah.) And if you're not on the waitlist, you are not going to get that link or the best deal you're gonna you're gonna hear about it when it ships and you'll pay full price. (Brad: Love it.) So and then finally, one last exciting news. The doors have opened for our October retreat. And if you know, you know, (Brad: I ykyk.) I wonder how many times we can just say that?Brad Crowell  What retreat? Send us a DM. It's gonna be amazing.Lesley Logan  What retreat? Keep listening to the episodes, Cheryl. (Brad: Yeah.) We talk about the retreat. (Brad: Yeah, we do.)Brad Crowell  Okay, so what was this week's question? You got a listener asking, Are you ever in the Washington area, teaching Workshops? And they mean, like, Seattle, Washington.Lesley Logan  Yeah. Yeah. So I was like, oh, because it was, you know, we, they've been hearing about our tour. And we've been like, talking about maybe doing another tour.Brad Crowell  Right. So every year we do have tour up to out to Philadelphia from the West Coast (Lesley: It's out and up.) Well, yeah, it's out and back. So we do like, sometimes you go South first. Sometimes you go North first. But. it's like an epic saga of a drive.Lesley Logan  I did like the going South first. I mean, I don't know (Brad: Thank you with that.) that we probably can't do it again. No, because that whole weather system was a disaster.Brad Crowell  I know. It would have definitely served us better if we had been South on the way home.Lesley Logan  Yeah, yeah. So we'll do that.Brad Crowell  We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out.Lesley Logan  We'll flip it and reverse it.Brad Crowell  Yeah. Anyway, the (Lesley: That's a Missy Elliott) Oh, here you go. (Lesley: lyric)But rumor is that we may be doing a West Coast tour. So it could hypothetically start in Vegas, and go south to San Diego, and go all the way up the west coast of Vancouver before coming back down.Lesley Logan  Don't make too many promises.Brad Crowell  I said, hypothetically, potentially, fingers crossed, all the things. If this is something that would be of interest to you, we need to know. (Lesley: So if you either ...) This is not ... planned yet.Lesley Logan  I want to participate in the West Coast tour as a as a client, or you want to host a spot as a as a host to use the same word in the sentence. You have to hit us up because we are (Brad: Yeah, we need to know.) we will actually be planning it like right now. (Brad: Yeah.) And and so you know, get get in on it. Because people always like, "How did you pick that spot? Why are you going to that place?" Because they asked. (Brad: Yeah.) If you want things in this world. Y'all, you have to ask for them. Like I'm like let this be a lesson to you. People like, "How did you get that spot?" I applied. Like I applied, no one is calling me and offered me random things. They're just not. So everything you ever see that I've ever done I've applied for. (Brad: That's true. Very true.) So if you want in on this tour, and you want us to hit up your town, then you know any which way you want to contact us so it's gonna be fine. (Brad: Yeah, so) How about TikTok? I'm be really honest. I have not ...Brad Crowell  No, just chat to us. Go to opc.me/chatLesley Logan  Oh, that's a good spot. (Brad: Yeah.) Yeah. Yeah. Okay, cool.Brad Crowell  Amazing. Great question. Thanks for asking.Lesley Logan  You know, you guys can ask questions. (Brad: Like any question.) Any question. (Brad: All the time opc.me/chat.) It can be life, fitness, business. We don't really care. We just like to answer your questions. (Brad: Yeah.) We have all this information ...Brad Crowell  We'd love knowing that you listen, we love connecting with you. (Lesley: Yeah.) And it's so fun.Lesley Logan  You know what I want? This is what I want from you guys. This is my ask. I want I want questions like a longtime listener, first time caller like I want them. (Brad: Cool. Yeah.) Longtime listener, first time caller. I want to read those.Brad Crowell  Would that be, would you want to actually call, leave a voicemail?Lesley Logan  Yeah, we need a phone number.Brad Crowell  Tell us about that. If you would if that's something of interest to you, let us know (Lesley: Yeah.) on the chat. (Lesley: Yeah.) And then we'll set up a phone call number because I don't want to set it up unless you want it. (Lesley: Yeah. But ...) opc.me/chatLesley Logan  But if you want to be like don't tell remember like longtime listener, first time caller? (Brad: Yeah.) Like I want that. I want that, that's what I want. You gotta tell me if you want it. (Brad: I want it.) I want it and well it's a two way re... I guess it's a three way since we're like listeners. You and me. I don't know. Brad Crowell  Okay, now let's talk about Sara Frenza. A mom, published fitness model, a writer and a life transformation coach. Sara Frenza is on a mission to help women make their health and their fitness a priority. She's passionate about not taking the quick fix, but working for long term solutions and passing along the information to the next generation.Lesley Logan  Yeah, so I actually really, I really love Sara. She's such a sweetheart. And I hope you all heard her journey, because I think it can be really easy to think, "Oh, must be nice for them. Those people who are on these pods that transform their career." But y'all can have it, you all can have that for yourself. One thing I love that she had talked about was like making your health and fitness a priority. So you're like, simplest way to think about this is because like, "Uh huh, Lesley got it. Nice, Sara, thanks for that. Duh." But it's like your health and fitness is not a fad diet. Like, it's just not. So the more you can think about your health and fitness as your priority as part of your lifestyle, as part of the transformation that's always ongoing. We had Keri Ford on here and she talked with this mountain with no peak, like your health and fitness is a mountain without a peak doesn't mean you just like keep going, going, going without like ever celebrating an achievement. But it isn't like, okay, for the next two weeks, I'm gonna go on a sugar detox, and then I'm gonna be great. It's like, well, then you will have had not had sugar for two weeks. But if you go back to the way you lived, then that's not exactly taking your health fitness and making it a priority. So (Brad: That's true.) Yeah. And I'm not advocating that you ditch sugar or you don't. I'm just saying like, how looking at your health and fitness if you look at like, when I was an ambassador for Lululemon, they made us do goals was like personal, health and fitness, professional. (Brad: interesting) And you had three could not have more than three bullet points under each one of those things. And then you had goals for that those bullet points that are one year, five year and 10 year. Of course, I started with a 10 year. But the point is, is that if we have too many goals, you don't get anything done. And also, if you aren't building upon the achievements that you had, it's kind of like, "I'm doing this today. I'm doing this tomorrow. I'm doing this over here." It's like it's all it comes kind of like a one and done thing and so you just kind of build on it. So maybe maybe you want to do a triathlon. I don't but let's just say that's what your goal is. So then you work backwards until you to one year from now. Well, are you running already? Can you bike? Can you swim? Like one of those things probably you're not doing. So make that a goal. And then (Brad: Sure.) sort of add that in. And then over time you get to like the five year goal and maybe you're doing a mini triathlon and then you're working your way up. So just I just really loved that she brought that up because your health and fitness is not a fad diet.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I also what the fad diets. It's it's called that because you you know it's not gonna last.Lesley Logan  It's like a, it's like It's like fast fashion. Do not make your health and fitness the same as fast fashion. Fast fashion.Brad Crowell  Yeah. Oh, I was gonna talk about the cayan and like lemonade fucking iced tea thing, whatever. (Lesley: Oh.) Do you remember that? Like when was suddenly drinking that. (Lesley: What is that called ... Okay.) I can't remember. But like, that's the kind of like that is not real.Lesley Logan  So, I worked in, so I used to work at Fred Segal. And some of the girls were on the diet coke and iceberg lettuce diet. (Brad: Amazing.) These are not proponent things, do not try them. Some, other people ...Brad Crowell  They are not winners. (Lesley: Other people ...) That's why they're fads.Lesley Logan  cigarettes and coffeeBrad Crowell  That was mine through college.Lesley Logan  Yeah. So um, but you know, I mean, look, everyone, my grandmother and in my entire life, I learned about every single diet there was I know all the diet pills and all the things and I can tell you right now, none of them are sustainable. So instead of looking for a fad diet, look for the life transformation that you can sustain and works with you because it has to work with your life.Brad Crowell  Yeah, exactly. And I think that's, it's a mindset shift, right? There's no quick fix here. This is a long term decision that you're making for yourself. It's as simple as that, which is really hard. But I know it's, it's like,Lesley Logan  I know, you're like easier said than done, guys. We know. We also have bodies. We also understand,Brad Crowell  Hi, I'm a floating entity. I'm not a fishball.Lesley Logan  We hit 40. We got it. We know.Brad Crowell  All right. One thing I really loved was about like she started to talk about the support systems that you make and sharing, not only sharing that you're on a path, but also allowing people to support you in that journey. Right. And, you know, specifically she said, You can't do anything alone, you have to share your journey along the way. Because maybe that's with your spouse, your significant other, your kids, your family, parents, whatever, your co workers, your friends, you know, the reality is that if I think I think when we were doing the Full Body in 15 Pilates challenge, last year, we had a lot of success with the participants who went back to their family and said, "Hey, next week on Monday, Wednesday, Friday at, you know, 5pm, for 30 minutes, I'm busy. I'm going to be taking care of me." And the the family was like, "Hey, cool." And so what happened was, the kids knew already the spouse knew already, you know, mom's busy, she's doing this thing. AndLesley Logan  Or dads busy, or somebody is busy.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I mean, in our case, most of our audience was women for that. (Lesley: Yeah.) Maybe I might have been the only guy in there.Lesley Logan  No, we had two husbands. (Brad: Oh, that's right. That when we had ...) That why, that's why where a lot of women, amazing women and a few good men. Thanks, Cheryl.Brad Crowell  Well, the point is, you know, when they were explicit, and sharing what their intentions were, and what they were doing, and why they were doing it, they got the support that they needed from the people around them. And the same thing goes for you, if you are able to voice that to, I don't know, maybe your coworkers go out to dinner every day after work or something or, you know, you are taking a break from drinking and you live with someone, you know, and you can share that with them, they can encourage you and help you in that path, whatever it is, that is that you're trying to achieve for your health. When you share that with the people around you, then now a) you're not hiding it, and b) they can help actually support you.Lesley Logan  And also, they can also help support you like there's accountability there. And and and you can't resent them for, they can't read your mind. So (Brad: Sure.) if you (Brad: Sure.) if you don't tell people, "I'm taking a break from drinking." Then they, if they go, "Hey, can I get you a beer." You're like, "I'm trying to drink." And then you like have this whole internal conversation with yourself. And the truth is that they didn't know. So they have to on your team actually just wrote about this on, the time recording, so I wrote an Instagram post about my birthday. So obviously, this is way after my birthday. But for my birthday week, I actually wanted to take off several days. I just want to take off Wednesday to Saturday. So I normally take Saturday's off. I normally got two calls on Monday and Tuesday but Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, there's like commitments that I usually have. So I wanted to have those off. Now, I couldn't just block them off without telling people. I mean I could but that would have just worked like people would have been like, "Hey, can I do this? Hey, can I do this?" And like, you know, I would be like, "I'm taking the time off? Don't you understand?" It's like so I actually just months ago, I said, hey to my assistant. I said, "Hey, I want to take this time off for my birthday. So I can just really enjoy, like resting, relaxing, do whatever I want, whatever it is I want." And I told that my assistant, which helped me tell the team, which helped me block things out so that everything is gonna get done on time. No one is gonna be like, "Where's Lesley?" And I actually can take time off without anyone bothering me. It's so exciting. (Brad: Yeah.) So but it does require you communicate these things. And I know that can be like, I want to tell people my goals are in case I like screwed up. If the people around you are going to judge you because you said you weren't going to have a drink that week. And then you did. That's probably a sign that they're not on your team.Brad Crowell  Yeah, they're definitely not supporting you. It's true. It's true. All right. So finally, let's talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Sara Frenza.Lesley Logan  She had seven action items for you guys. And I really love these because some people think that meal prepping is like only somebody who has a really organized schedule can do but ...Brad Crowell  Or like people who are like, trying to be in weight training competitions do.Lesley Logan  Yeah. But like you grew up with some meal prepping, your mom did some stuff. And (Brad: I did. Yeah.) Yeah. And I remember there was a time when my parents had like, planned things out. And then there was a day where it was like leftover day, which is obviously the day that I hated. But then there was the then there was ...Brad Crowell  I love leftovers.Oh, my God. (Brad: That's great.) Your parents must have not had you eat lamb and beans. Anyway, (Brad: No, lamb and beans in my house ...) So I'm gonna, I'm gonna read these out, seven meal prep tips. So step one ...Lesley Logan  Plan out your meals.Brad Crowell  Yeah, this is not very complicated. Just you need to know what meals you're cooking for.Lesley Logan  Yeah. Number two, meal prep in batches. So she talked about making two proteins and then two carbs and just kind of mix and matching. Think of this ladies. I put on my college y'all. But like, I'm thinking like all my magazines, capsule wardrobe. Capsule Wardrobe, right? (Brad: Oh, yeah.) You have like, one you have a pair of pants, two different pairs of pants, two different tops, and like a bold statement something and like the magazine (Brad: couple pair of shoes) shows you seven ways to put these two things together. So that's how (Brad: That's right.) it, right. So literally, if you capsule wardrobe, you can meal prep, you've already done it. You've already figured this out.Brad Crowell  Yeah. And she actually talked about making like chicken and I can't remember what the other protein was and then two types of carbs so she made sweet potato fries and rice. And she said she took the chicken and made a buffalo chicken salad. She you could pull the chicken apart and make like a graded chicken thing.Lesley Logan  If you're watching this on YouTube Brad is mimicking (Brad: Yeah, I'm mimicking ...) like these claws that we have. So you can basically like for non cook, (Brad: shred the chicken) you just take a bunch of chicken breasts, you just cook them all on a on a pan at some temperature and then some of those can be chopped up for a chop salad, some of those key pulled apart for a pulled chicken sandwich buffalo sauce like. Right. (Brad: Yeah.) Yeah.Brad Crowell  And it was crazy. She was like yeah, I use the and she cooked them all at the same time. She had an instant pot going you know the oven going up and going and whatever I don't remember and she's like boom cooked all these things and was able to take the proteins on the carbs and then mix max, mix match and creating these different meals. And then step threeLesley Logan  is freeze the extrasBrad Crowell  Yeah, so she specifically talked about stuffed peppers and brown rice and she said yeah, you know I overcook on the brown rice on purpose. And she made and a couple extra stuffed peppers and then she throws them on the freezer.Lesley Logan  Yeah. (Brad: Yeah.) And so if you're like, "Ah my fridge is really small." Yeah, ours too. (Brad: ... Yeah.) It doesn't fit a pizza box and ... (Brad: No, it literally doesn't.) That's a contention in this house. But what if you just tried like yes she said chicken maybe you're a vegan? What if you just gave, what if like you just beat it till you saw it when it came (Brad: beat it?) yeah, beat it. Just to beat it. Anyways, so what if you just tried it like what if it was possible to whatever your dietary restrictions are? What if you actually just try to plan the meals out and then actually grocery shop for those meals and then try to cook all the stuff and one day so that it was ready to go?Brad Crowell  Yeah, my, the store you were talking about ... (Lesley: We haven't finish the seven steps guys.) The last episode was my mom and her friend used to meal prep, because both families had three kids with crazy soccer field baseball field schedules, and, you know, the spouses were working, and then we'd get together on one weekend, a month, and they would literally make every meal for the entire month.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I mean, this is a house that has two fridges. SoBrad Crowell  No, my mom had an extra freezer in the basement that was like one of those like leftover freezers (Lesley: Two fridges and a freezers?) Two fridges and a freezer.Lesley Logan  Okay, so a month is the month, (Brad: And that's very ambitious, that's very ambitious.) I would go, do one week at a time, or maybe just three days. And then like, go from there. So like, you know, baby step this to badassness. But I love that I think that's great, because actually what it made me just realize, and I didn't even know this until now, you guys, if you are running out of time to work on things that are gonna help you be it till you see it. And it's called cooking that is taking up all the time, meal prep. (Brad: meal prep) If you could gain, if you could spend two hours on a Sunday, or Saturday, and you could gain back 30 minutes every night, five minutes a week, like when what like, you don't need two hours at a time to work on your goal because that is overwhelming. Especially there's so much uncertainty, there's a lot of fear in there things take the time to get it. So if you had 30 minutes every day to dedicate to moving yourself forward, and you just spent one afternoon prepping like a badass on the meals. Like imagine what you could get done.Brad Crowell  Yeah, and my you know, today my parents are empty nesters. Right. And but they still meal meal prep. And it's really well the way they do is really impressive. So if my mom (Lesley: ... are doing this.) if my mom ever has to chop up like a pepper, she'll chop the entire pepper, she'll chop the entire onion. And then what she does is she takes them and puts it on a mini cookie sheet and lays them out so they're not touching each other. And then she puts them in the freezer for like 20 or 30 minutes, and then takes it out of the freezer and puts them in a ziplock and then she throws the whole ziplock into now it's condensed, they're touching each other, but they're partly frozen. So they don't freeze into a big block, basically.Lesley Logan  Oh, that'show you do it. (Brad: Yeah.) Well, that's ...Brad Crowell  And then if she ever needs that ingredient, she's already got pre chop to the right size stuff. And then they do the same thing with chicken, they'll go to the store, they'll get a whole bunch of chicken. And what they'll actually do is they'll take like the bigger chicken breasts, and they'll they'll slice them up into smaller pieces. And then at the beginning of the week, they'll pull out like, you know, six chicken, you know, cutlets that they basically have frozen. And so they know three meals that week, they'll be able to have chicken because it's thought out. (Lesley: Yeah. So ...) So super quick and easy.Lesley Logan  For the for the people who are like, "Hey, you stopped at the third step."Brad Crowell  Yeah. Let's go on to step four.Lesley Logan  Yeah, create multiple meals out of the protein and carbs. So this is where you get to go back to the plan that you had and go oh, like I was able to like this doesn't have to be like I have a chicken breast every night. Like you're prepping for some sort of weight training thing. It can be like, as Brad mentioned, pulled chicken chopped chicken. It could be there's a sauce on this one. This one's in a salad. This one's in a burrito. You know, this one's in a sandwich. So then pre chop all fruits and vegetables, prepackaged for easy grabbing and go. I just skipped ahead all thingsBrad Crowell  Well, that was a little different. So she's actually talking about the full meal. (Lesley: Oh, you're right. You're right.) Like breakfast, lunch, dinner. She so just think about how much time we spent prepping food during the day. And I ...Lesley Logan  This is like definitely if you're about to, (Brad: It's a time stuff.) well, this is like packing lunches. This is all (Brad: Sure.) kind of stuff. So you all might need to go to like the container store or the target section with all the lovely containers and then you pull them out and then go okay, there's lunches, okay, this means a nice things. Okay, this thing is this thing, and then you could put them in a frigerator and put a post it note or, you know, some sort of way of identifying the ...Brad Crowell  Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. (Lesley: Yeah.) Yeah, exactly.Lesley Logan  You know how there was like, labeled underwear. Like Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday underwear. Did you not have that? (Brad: No ...) Every girl listener is nodding their head right now and I thought that was so terrible. (Brad: That's hilarious.) Because here's why. I didn't want to wear the Wednesday underwear on Monday just because it's clean. Because if anyone saw my underwear, they'd be like, You're wearing Wednesday's underwear. Ew." You so like, anyways, sides, right? This is a problem I had in my life. But what if you could buy food containers that had like Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. I'm sure they exists. (Brad: Yeah ... 100%) Not sponsor by the show. Okay. Um, lastly ...Brad Crowell  So that's she also mentioned in this step six prepackaged for easy grab and go, pre making lunches for your kids. So you have to do it in the morning.Lesley Logan  Yeah. And then make breakfast for the full week. And this is like especially like Monday through Friday, you guys, I love overnight oats. So (Brad: Yeah.) easy, so easy to make, you can make a whole week's worth of overnight oats in one setting and I challenge you to make it take longer than seven minutes. I challenge you.Brad Crowell  To do the whole week. Yeah ...Lesley Logan  Because because here's the deal. First of all, here's how it goes. Ready? It's one part oats, one part oat, or almond milk or some milk of choice. So if you do one cup, it's one cup, two cups, two cups, so it's really easy. Then you add in any other flavors or things you want. Probably not that nuts. (Brad: blueberry) I keep the fresh fruits out but dried fruits I'd put in just because they soften up and they flavorize. Is that a word? (Brad: Yeah. We'll take it.) We're just adding words here. To the thing and then I like to add some protein powder to it, some fiber, some flax and chia seeds, because that also makes it nice and filling. Then you put it in your container. So if you know you're gonna have half a cup every day or a cup every day, whatever you need to eat, then you'll go okay, Monday through Friday. That's five, right? So it's it's a big bowl, you need at least seven hours of it to be over it for an overnight oats. So it doesn't actually have to even be like, done the weekend before it can be done the night before. Boom, it's ready. And then you can scoop them out into or New York Times does this they also don't sponsor the show, but they sent me an email every week about overnight oats. And they take mason jars. And they literally make individual overnight oats in mason jars.Brad Crowell  So pull it from the fridge with a spoon. Done. (Lesley: Yes.) Ready to go. That's kinda cool. It's clever.Lesley Logan  Yeah. I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan  Thank you so much for joining us today. How are you going to use these tips in your life? We want to know, tag us at the @be_it_pod, tag Sara Frenza. Send your questions, your longtime listener first time caller, request to us on Instagram or on email or whatever the things. Then if you want that phone number as he asked earlier, let us know and until next time, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell  Bye for now.Lesley Logan  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the daring convo I have with Keri Ford in our last episode. If you haven't listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now and go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us. Alright, so while this is coming out, there's a lot going on. We're actually halfway through Agency Mini, and this week is just freaking phenomenal and always fires me up. I really love it.Brad Crowell   It's a crazy week.Lesley Logan  I know. But you know what we get, we get Bronze Cafe delivered every day. We have, we have lot, (Brad: I love that.) we have lots of amazing support for our Mini members with our ambassadors and our coaches. And it's also so fun for like the light bulbs to light to come on for them. (Brad: Yeah) And so I'm just like I'm, while it's a crazy week, we put in more hours and this week than we probably do in most of our months. Supporting people, it is so much fun, because whether or not they join us in Agency, they will never unlearn and forget this information and they can take action. And it's just so fun.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I mean, the being in a container, you know, like in a safe space with people asking questions where we get to sew into them, empower them, put them in a place where they feel confident, and they've gained clarity, and they're ready to go, interact with more people in Pilates, that is what furthers our mission. And it's why we love hosting Agency Mini, because we get to work with more people and a shorter amount of time. And then some of those people will actually continue to work with us on an ongoing basis. And it's just so much fun. (Lesley: Yeah) It is really, really amazing. And we've got we always get great questions. And by the end of the week, what's so neat about it is a bunch of strangers come together, all over the world. And they're really like shy and not sure. And then by the end of the week, they're encouraging each other and supporting each other and like cheering each other on. And if everybody wins, it's so fucking cool.Lesley Logan  It's everything that is industry needs. And like, the more we actually support each other, the more people who do Pilates period. (Brad: Yeah.) And like what is like, they'll be people who, you know, are the same cities in that group. And you can see that people like, "Oh, I'm here." But then all of a sudden, everyone realizes, like, you teach different people like you, like literally don't have crossover, (Brad: Yeah.) you're on opposite sides of the city, or one of you is classes and one of you teaches privates. Like there's not ...Brad Crowell  Or one of the focuses on you know, elderly and the other works with moms.Lesley Logan  Yeah, so it's, um, it's really actually so amazing for people to see, "Wow, these people are my partners in success and not necessarily like my competition." SoBrad Crowell  Yeah, community, not competition. (Lesley: Yeah.) What we say over and over again.Lesley Logan  We do. And we and you know what, when people get into Agency that even develops more and more and more, and (Brad: Yeah.) it's just, it's beautiful. So, anyways, the next Agency Mini the dates probably have been determined at this point, but I don't have them for you. So if you are missing out, feeling the FOMO as you should, because we would love to have worked with you this week, go to profitablepilates.com/mini to get on the waitlist for the next one.Brad Crowell  Yes, yeah, add yourself to the waitlist, we always email the waitlist first and tell them about the (Lesley: early bird) early bird pricing. So it's worth being on the waitlist, even if it's not going to come up for another couple months. So go add yourself there profitablepilates.com/mini. (Lesley: Yeah.) And if you are going to be in California, in Monterey for Balanced Bodies Pilates on tour, we will see you there.Lesley Logan  Yeah, we have a booth. So I won't be teaching but that just means I have more time to actually hang out with you. So I'm actually really excited about there's some amazing people a ton of our elevators, OPC members, Agency members, all going to be there's gonna have a big party. Brad's got the booth as well. And so if you haven't yet signed up, definitely sign up. I'm sure they have like day passes, and also whole week long passes. But Monterey, Monterey is beautiful. And there are some epic people, Erika Quest is going to be there. Our Agency member Christine Waterman is actually presenting there. (Brad: Oh good.) Yeah, yeah, yeah. (Brad: That's great.) So it's a whole lot of fun. And we're going to drive out.Brad Crowell  Yeah, we're driving out because we needed to bring our own Reformer.Lesley Logan  Yeah, yeah, for eLevate weekend because we agreed (Brad: It overlaps.) to do this. It overlaps. So from 12 to 4 I will be in a hotel room with lights, camera, action teaching our eLevators and Brad will be ...Brad Crowell  And will be smuggling in our own Contrology Reformer into the hotel room, so we're gonna get a big one.Lesley Logan  Yeah, we're working on that details right now and awesome hotspot. But these are like the things you have to do to make sure that you can sip or, you know, people (Brad: Yeah.) in all the ways and we're on a mission, 'More bodies doing Pilates' and Balanced Body is an amazing company. We I've been an ADC, which just means that I am the representative of Contrology. So I love it to be wherever they are gonna have it. (Brad: Yeah.) So it'll be it'll be a lot of fun. That's a great weekend.Brad Crowell  If you're looking at that equipment. We have a referral code for you that saves you 5%. (Lesley: Yeah.) Hit us up, just send us a DM. Happy to share. But first, (I steal your line) we have an audience question, Lesley.Lesley Logan  I know, I know. This is this is a okay, this question I got every day three times a day when I was in Dallas with Erika. I get it actually in my DMs all the time. So I thought you know what, we're just going to, let's just call it out. (Brad: Yeah.) When are the Chairs decks happen coming out? When are they shipping? What are they in existence? And the actual truth at the time of this recording is. We don't know. But our goal has always been to be on presale in February.Brad Crowell  Okay, two things. First off, if you don't know what a Chairs deck is, we have flashcards on onlinepilatesclasses.com. And we've already released the Mat, the Reformer and the Cadillac decks. And that's over the past three years. This year, we're releasing the Chairs deck, which is 90 something cards, 99 cards or something like that. (Lesley: I think it's 96 exercises.) Yeah, and it has been we've been working on it since last summer. And we're really, really close. I think we at this point, we definitely got like a sample of the boxes. And we've started like getting samples of the cards themselves. So I think we're like two or three months away. So what we're going to be doing is the best thing you can do if you want more information about this, go to the wait... get yourself on the waitlist, go to opc.me/flashcardwaitlist. Okay, I'm gonna say that again, opc.me/flashcardwaitlist, we'll put that link in the show notes. (Lesley: Yeah.) But we will be announcing a presale sometime, like probably in the next couple of weeks. And then the decks should be shipping roughly two months after the presale happens. SoLesley Logan  Yeah. so and that's why we have said like a couple months away because so this, and this is what I explained people because you may not understand like the the Cadillac deck was over 300 hours when we stopped counting. And (Brad: Yeah.) definitely went over. And I had just still record a few things that we had recordings for. But we didn't have new recordings for those last week. And I was like, "Oh my gosh, five more hours." Anyways, so these decks do take a lot of time because after I write the first draft, which I am so proud of myself how quickly I wrote the first draft. (Brad: Yeah.) My team gets them on the card so I can see them because I'm a visual person, then I edit them again. Then we actually have someone else who's a teacher come through and read them to make sure that they make sense and we usually pick someone who has on different piece of equipment than I am because I tried to make sure that whatever Chair you're on or whatever Reformer you're on, whatever Cadillac you have information to help you use these cards. Then we have someone who doesn't even know Pilates at all read them to make sure that they make sense. And thenBrad Crowell  Yeah, so it's not just all Pilates language and like you know, your mom can pick it up, pick up a deck and be like, "Oh, maybe I want to do this and I get I get what they're saying here."Lesley Logan  Yeah, and then I get to do it again, get to read them again because I just want to make sure that I don't miss anything. And so then what happens is we go on presale, which means you get the best opportunity, the best deal on the deck (Brad: Yeah.) that will have while it when it for a new deck. And then it is an 8 to 10 week ship like print job. (Brad: Yeah.) So so that's why he said a few months. So if we can go on presale in this month of February. We're looking at end of May. (Brad: Yeah.) Yeah. Which is hear before you know it. So you know time is flying by.Brad Crowell  Yeah. So anyway, get yourself on that waitlist.Lesley Logan  And if you don't have a Chair, get the Mat deck, get the Reformer deck, get the Tower deck. (Brad: Yeah.) Like go get those, you can get those at OPC.Brad Crowell  Yeah, and in the future we've got barrels coming and then accessories and then there will be six total. (Lesley: Yeah.) And we will call that a wrap.Lesley Logan  Yeah, we will call that a wrap.Brad Crowell  Yeah, so we still we're still signed up for another year and a half of production and writing and content creation here. SoLesley Logan  More photo shoots and all this stuff. So yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know what, it's okay because (Brad: It's a lot of fun.) what I'm just gonna show this on the Balanced Body in case they're not listening but just in case Kens listening, what what's been so fun is that as I've been producing these cards, he's come out with the Contrology piece. (Brad: Right.) So I've been able to use where there's a Contrology piece use that and I know that they're in production right now and they're they're trying and so I may have to like swap or doing just so that like I can possibly get what I want. Because you know anyways, we'll see this is just me explaining like, this is like behind the curtain. Here you go because I really like you guys. No, these are not like oh, I should do that. You can. I'm just gonna tell you it's hundreds of hours of work.Brad Crowell  All right. Now let's talk about Keri Ford. Ever figuring it out, Keri is a high performance Holistic Life Coach, who uses somatics to bring healing and help individuals change life patterns. She's the CEO and founder of Elevate with Keri, a transformational coaching movement to raise women's emotional intelligence and their whole body performance.Lesley Logan  Yeah, so she is if you listened to the first interview, she was actually one of those girls that I met on that random, like, let's have a girl's weekend with people that we know on the internet. And so she's one of them. And we're actually at the time of this recording. We're like days away from meeting her and her partner at their place that they like home that they have in California. We'll be up in like the boondocks and like just doing lots of stuff to like, body hack and pour into ourselves and nerd out on business before we drive off to Monterey.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. It's gonna be great.Lesley Logan  Yeah. So one thing that I love that she said was find the mountain with no top that you are willing to climb. I'm going to say that one more time. Find the mountain with no top that you're willing to climb because it's a lifelong journey. And I think it is, I think we're, I think it's really easy to go, "I'm not where I want it to be all right. Like ..." And like we get frustrated, but like, the reality is, is that like, in in bettering yourself, in becoming the person you want to be in change, and like unlearning the habits and, and thoughts that you've had from your childhood, in your life and the partners, you pick it all that stuff, all of that you don't just like, check a box. Okay, won't date the wrong ones again or Okay, won't have like that won't take that job promotion. Again, it's like, it is a lifelong journey. And so she talks about like, being a woman that sees things differently and is willing to go to her edge over and over and over again, because it's in service to herself and the people she serves. So you're on a mountain with no top. And so I hope that that like gives you permission a to like, you know, it's not that you can't like take a pause somewhere. But that where this life is, is, I don't know. I just feel like ...Brad Crowell  Let me give a little bit of clarity to, let me let me quantify this for you because I just realized I should have asked you to go second. Because I she said something that was really revealing. We've heard, I've heard the somatic coaching before. We know somatic relationship coach, coaches, somatic therapy, like all this kind of stuff. And part of your conversation was, what is the difference between somatics and traditional therapy? And she talked about somatics being the mind body connection. Okay. And that is very cliche sounding, mind body connection ... (Lesley: That's what I do.) What does that mean? Okay, awesome, right. But what she's talking about here is well, if you feel like you're you're at war with yourself, right, where you're obviously not connected. Okay. And she said we can use the power of our mind and our nervous system to create a different experience from that, you know, war like state. She said that somatics are they really somatic focuses on it centers around your beliefs. Okay. And the way she was talking about it, it made me realize those beliefs could be conscious, or not just unconscious there, you know, whether you consciously believe something, it doesn't change the fact that you still believing something. (Lesley: Yeah.) Right. And so, for example, how you feel about something is a belief you've adopted, whether you realize it or not. And she said, this is the key here, this is the key to somatics. Belief is the bridge that connects your mind and your body. Okay, so the body will follow what the mind believes. Okay, and so when you're talking, so the question was that I should had you ask at the beginning of the mountain top idea is, tell me about this journey of this bridge of connecting the mind and the body. You know, is that, you know, is that something you do in like, 10 sessions, and you're done? Or, you know, what is that and really, she was talking about that being the mountain that doesn't have a top, you're consis... you're consistently pursuing, analyzing your beliefs and adjusting your beliefs to be reconnecting your mind and your body. So you can optimize, you can optimize your yourself. Right. (Lesley: Yeah.) And the way you approach life, and then your body itself.Lesley Logan  Well, and just to like, reiterate that it's a lifelong journey. And also, you should listen to the interviews too. Because then you'll understand what I'm talking about when I bring out what I love. But I think like, because it's a lifelong journey. The reason I keep saying that is it can feel really overwhelming if you're climbing something that never has an end. But it's not that it is this like frustrating, like exhausting. Like, oh my gosh, like you're being knocked down over and over again, kind of climb. Like when I think of like climbing a mountain, it just sounds like fear and scare. Like, I'm gonna, like lose my grip, and like, it's just a lot, but actually, it's just that you are bettering yourself, you are evaluating, you are looking at how, why you're reacting to things, and you are asking yourself, I mean, we just go back to Alan's like, Am I doing the best that I can with what I have where I am? And if you're, if one day, the answer is no, then that's where you get to do some evaluation. And you're like, keep going up that mountain, you know, so I think it can be really easy for the perfectionist to be like, I like is it happened in seven days. No, you actually, it took you your whole life to get to where you are, it's going to take all those years and more to like, unravel that and change and make those changes.Brad Crowell  I mean, I laugh about this, often, but I was, I remember sitting down for my first voice lesson, and confident that I was very good at singing already. Which I could certainly sing but was I good at singing? No. In fact, I was singing completely wrong. And I was damaging my voice every time I was singing. I didn't know that. But I thought that I was kicking ass. And I said to her like, so like, you know, how long does it take to like, get my voice where I wanted to be like six sessions, you know, like 10 that maybe like 15? And she's like, looks at me like, why don't we just get started? And we can cross that bridge as we go. And it's been 13 years.Lesley Logan  Yeah, well, and like that's the same thing with Pilates. We're like, okay, so like, what are we gonna do like 10 sessions and like, you'll feel better, certainly. But like, if you want to keep feeling better, you have to keep coming. Like Pilates is a practice with no mount... like with no mountain top. (Brad: Yeah. So, mountain with no top.) Yeah, yeah. So like, and if you do Pilates that doesn't overwhelm you. So it shouldn't overwhelm you (Brad: Right) to be someone on a pursuit.Brad Crowell  Well, it's also hilarious, because I didn't realize how much I enjoy my voice lessons. And how good they make me feel. And so I am very happy to continue them. (Lesley: Right, right. And I think ...) Well, Pilates is probably the same way.Lesley Logan  But I also think if you ask that kind of question in a Pilates class or to your voice teacher or to your therapist, or to any of those things like it is certainly human nature to want to know where is the end to this? (Brad: Sure.) Like, I like to know how many times here and make me do a jumping jack. I want to know how long (Brad: Yeah.) is playing ... (Brad: Well, that's for sure.) gonna be like, I do want to know that. Right. So that's totally human nature. What is amazing, though, is that you heard that, that there was no end in sight yet that she was at least going to give you one and you kept going. And I think that that is what puts you on this pursuit of like, okay, I'm willing to trust this person with whatever it is that I'm working on. (Brad: Yeah.) And so I think if you are in pursuit of something, don't get so hung up on the logistics if you don't have all the answers right away. Start going, start moving on.Brad Crowell  One step in front of the other, you know, you're definitely gonna figure that out as as you get along. (Lesley: Yeah.) (Brad claps)All right. So finally, let's talk about those BEI T action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your conversation with Keri Ford? I am going to jump in and say, she said something that made me laugh because we talked about this all the time.Lesley Logan  Yeah. But I loved it because she's a mom.Brad Crowell  Yeah. She said, pour into yourself first. And then you can pour into others later in the day.Lesley Logan  Yeah. And like, and I love that she said that because she is a mom of two kids. And she runs her own business. And she actually shares partnership of parenting those kids. And so that's an added layer of meaning to organize things. And she said that, and I think it's just important women and ladies, listen to this, no matter who you're caring for. Maybe it's an elderly parent, or it's a child, we really do need to pour into ourselves first. So yeah, I love that she said that.Brad Crowell  Yeah. And when should you pour on yourself?Lesley Logan  So that's mine.Brad Crowell  Yes, it is.Lesley Logan  So she said, carve out your morning sandbox, which I think is so fun, because sandbox means play. (Brad: Yeah.) Right. Pick three items that you want to do for 10 mi... 10 minute each or so and carve out about an hour in your morning and do them in any order that you feel inclined to do them. So I love this because it's specific, but also there's some play, okay. So we've had, I mean, every single person has their morning routine, you'll all like literally there are books on this, like the 5am and I'm not saying have to get up at 5am. But like, like that your morning is what sets you up. So she gave this this choice. And so if you didn't like the other people's morning routine suggestions, here's one for you, pick three items that you want to do for 10 minutes each or so and carve out about an hour in your morning to do them in any order that you feel so inclined. And I love that because you can change up the order. So you don't have to like, "Oh crap, I can't do my yoga first. So I can't do any of them." Nope, you can do whatever order you want. And she also gave you an hour to do it so that life can life in between those 10 minutes (Brad: Yeah.) or you can or if you're really loving your meditation, you can stay in it. So I thought that was fun ...Brad Crowell  Or you get distracted by a thought, you can take a minute to write it down.Lesley Logan  Yeah, you're not so pressed for time. And, and I really liked this also, if you have not started a morning routine, but it's been something you want to do if you've like heard how long line is. Look mine got there over time and got there by picking things for 10 minutes or doing 30 minute runs or whatever. So give yourself permission to go, "Okay, what are three things I want to do in the morning that can make me feel good?" And then set a timer. And you know, what if if you had meditation, but you sat there and thought about your like to do list, that's okay, you still sat sat somewhere for 10 minutes. And you you know, chalk it up to a practice like I've I've talked to many of meditation people that like it's really okay if you if your mind wandered. (Brad: Sure.) Yeah, so anyways, I thought she was super fun. I love what she's doing with women out in the world. She's, she's, she's someone who is like, walking her talk and her and I think that that's also inspiring, and we can all you know, it's not easy like you she's on a moun... she's on the path with no top. So like it (Brad: Yeah.) means consistent reevaluation of what she's doing. And I really enjoyed having her on to share that with everybody. (Brad: Yeah.) All right. I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan  Thank you so much for joining us today. We are so grateful you're here. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Let us know by sending us a DM or email, beit@bloompods.net. And also, you can put your questions in there and we'll answer in there and we hope to see you in real life somewhere along our next week's journey, but if not, I'm sure we'll see you in the future.Brad Crowell  Bye for now.Lesley Logan  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. 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Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:40% for Lesley's 40th birthday celebrations!Changing your health path for life-changing resultsHow your genes express and communicate.Three things to keep your genes healthyReverse the environment's impact on your bodyWhy you need to start your morning with salt Make sure your routine is set for you Episode References/Links:Agency MiniSign up for Cambodia Retreat 2023 If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyUse this link to get your Toe Sox!ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the restorative convo I have with Jessica in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that one, feel free to pause this now, go back and come back and join us. Listen to this and listen to that and see what we got, right. Whatever you want to do.Brad Crowell  A little bit of this. A little bit of that.Lesley Logan  Yeah, something like that. Maybe listen to the whole of both, though.Brad Crowell  I listen to this. I listen to that.Lesley Logan  Because otherwise it doesn't make sense. If you listen to like one half of this and then one half of that. I mean, maybe ... (Brad: Maybe you just mash them up.) I guess you could do like the last half of this and the last half of that and the first, no, it'd be boring. You would know anything to just do it, just do it. Listen on both. Anyway, okay, y'all.Brad Crowell  Happy Birthday Lesley! The big 40!Lesley Logan  Yeah. Oh my goodness, I finally get to wear my Bee in the Fox. It took me '40 years to look this good' shirt.Brad Crowell  Yeah, today is the day.Lesley Logan  Today is the day. Yes, I am an Aquarius. And I know that you probably should know that if you didn't know that already. Some people already can tell and some people know because I think I'm pretty good at not sounding like an Aquarius and then I don't know my keys are but I can tell you where I put your keys. Sometimes. Anyways, it is my birthday. Thank you all so very much. It is also what probably started the big controversy my parents marriage of why my name is my name and my my mother sometimes still suggest I can change it if I want to.Brad Crowell  Oh, I like your name. I'm glad your name is your name.Lesley Logan  Thank you. (Brad: You're welcome.) That's a good one. Everyone, you know what I will say about my name is my clients when they wrote checks because that's how long I've been teaching Pilates. But back in the day before I took checks. In my studio, I had these clients like, "I just love writing your name while writing this check." I'm like, "That's great." You ...Brad Crowell  You keep loving doing that.Lesley Logan  You keep loving writing my name on that check. Anyways, um, so yeah, so um, you know, it's my birthday. But more importantly, there's some fun things happening over OPC.Brad Crowell  Yeah, we're celebrating over there. We got a big 40% off a whole bunch of things for the big 40 ...Lesley Logan  That's so cool. That's amazing. (Brad: Yeah.) So go do that.Brad Crowell  Yeah, just go over to onlinepilatesclasses.com. And it'll be right there on the homepage.Lesley Logan  Wonderful. Well, and also listen to some ads, because there was one other thing I was hoping we're also doing for my birthday. But you didn't mention it. So now I don't know. (Brad: Uh-oh.) Okay. Are we doing 40 days for $40?Brad Crowell  Oh, yeah, it's just the whole 40s. (Lesley: Oh, there's a whole ...) ... everything (Lesley: Oh, okay.) 40Lesley Logan  So there's a lot of things happening with your ... (Brad: These things available.) Yeah, most little things available with with 40 somewhere with a percent or $ sign next to it. So go have fun. Over it onlinepilatesclasses.com. Okay, then. This is like actually, there's like, literally three days not even. If you are listening to the day it drops, Hi. I love that you're like you're on top of it. (Brad: Yeah. Pay attention.) But get on over to profitablepilates.com/mini. If you have not done it with us before, and you would like us to coach you on your business because we kick off on Sunday. (Brad: Yep.) The door is closed. We don't let you in. Do not beg me on Monday. It'll be it'll just feel overwhelmed. We don't do it. You gotta sign up.,Brad Crowell  Get in. Don't wait today just go over to profitablepilates.com/mini. If you don't have any idea what we're talking about, Lesley and I run a coaching program. This is a week long experience of our ongoing coaching program. We're going to help you clarify your business offerings and it's going to change the way you look at your business. It is going to make things so much more fun. (Lesley: Yeah) You're gonna have permission to say, "Sorry, I don't ... you know maybe I'm not the right teacher for you. You know, but I can introduce you to someone else who is because you know who you're for, why you're doing what you're doing, what you should be charging, all the things."Lesley Logan  We had one of our pro members, share a win today. It said, I had my boundaries tested three times this week. (Brad: Wow!) Each time got harder and harder to uphold them. But I have held them and I'm so grateful because I cannot teach that late. I cannot teach that early and I cannot teach on my day off. (Brad: Amazing.) And you know like that and she can do that because she knows and trust that she's training her clients how to treat her, (Brad: Yeah.) when to show up, how to treat themselves, how to protect their own schedule.Brad Crowell  She knows her numbers. (Lesley: Yeah.) Or not she actually needs to take those sessions or if it's just like that big question mark of, "Am I making enough money? I don't know." So, yeah. (Lesley: Yeah.) That's amazing.Lesley Logan  Yeah. So and if you're not a fitness instructor, share it with a fitness instructor, you know, because they could use some help.Brad Crowell  Yeah, profitablepilates.com/mini.Lesley Logan  Okay, before we get into Jessica Brothers. What is our audience question?Brad Crowell  I love this question asked this anytime. When is your next retreat?Lesley Logan  Yeah. So I got this question from someone who was visiting our friend Joel, actually. (Brad: Oh cool.) Yeah. And so yeah, our retreat came up. And like, "When is it?" And I said, "It is actually coming up." I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, October 8 through the 13th of 2023. That is this year, October 8 through the 13th. I am so excited. (Brad: Yeah.) It's gonna be a lot of fun. We're only doing one Cambodia retreat this year. We're not doing any other retreats this year. This is the only retreat we're doing.Brad Crowell  We're not doing a business retreat in Vegas. We did a two of those last year. We are usually we do two trips to Cambodia. But this year, we are only doing one. (Lesley: Yeah.) And so you can you're more than welcome to join us. We, there is limited room. So you know, don't wait on this. But the, yeahLesley Logan  The doors are open. You can sign up now.Brad Crowell  Yeah, just go to lesleylogan.co/retreat. (Lesley: Yeah.) lesleylogan.co/retreat. And you can see all about it, you can see that the rates and all this stuff. If you are like, always have always wanted to go, but it's going to take your family vacation time. We are we have had many spouses join who don't do Pilates, they just want to go for the experience, we are offering that as well. So there's like all things you can totally come with your partner and have an amazing time and enjoy the experience. And you can do the workshops and the blogs and the meditation and things like that, where if that's not their jam, that's okay.Lesley Logan  Yeah, we've got we got an option for them, and they can go off and do a cooking class or get a massage or something like that. So (Brad: Yeah) it's a lot of fun. So you'll definitely if you if you're like, "I'm gonna wait for the next one." You're waiting till 2024.Brad Crowell  Right. So don't wait, lesleylogan.co/retreat. Okay, now let's talk about Jessica Brothers. On a mission to heal, help heal the world. Jessica is an epigenetics specialist. And I looked that up because I was like, "What is that word?" She's a best selling author, and a business owner working to reverse chronic diseases. She's passionate advocate that, that through food and fueling your body correctly, you can change your health path. And it will literally create life changing results.Lesley Logan  I love bringing in different health experts. And because the reality is, is that like if your hormones are off, you can't feel awesome. You might not like there are reasons why you could feel depressed or unmotivated or literally not be able to believe in yourself. Like it's not all just like in your mind, it could also be in your blood. So so it's really important to me, that we don't just give you stories of inspiration or strategies for like making more money or achieving your goals. But also like you only have this one body. And for you to do those things, you got to take it with you and has to be optimal. So I'm excited for for the, I'm so glad to get to this interview.Brad Crowell  Yeah, so let's dig into epigenetics. So epigenetics or epi gene etics, genes, it's all about your genes, epigenetics. Specifically, is how your genes express and communicate. And if they are not communicating inside of your body properly, things begin to break down, right. And then we get symptoms, right. So like, think of it that this is a great example, I grew up what my mentor when I was in my teens was a chiropractor. And he specifically focused on the spinal column, and mostly on the neck. And his, what he said over and over again, was, it's very simple, your brain is sending messages to your body. And if the messages are blocked, because your spine is not allowing them to flow, because it's out of whack. You need to get the spine back in in the correct place so that the nerves aren't pinched, the messages are able to send properly, and it'll send these messages to your body where it's supposed to be. And this is also basically in that same vein, you're, you know, when your body is functioning properly, it allows you to stay healthy, stay at peak performance, all of these kinds of things. And she was talking about big and small stuff. I mean, everything from like, why is your hand itching or hurting maybe or your shoulder or whatever, all the way to like Parkinson's disease, you know, and it all comes down to epigenetics and how your genes are communicating and what they're expressing, you know, if your body if your brain is sending signals, but those signals are being blocked, somewhere is supposed to receive a signal. And if that signal isn't being received there, what's that part of your body going to do? Who knows. And that's why we end up with weird things.Lesley Logan  The conditions. I mean, like, that's just what happens, it's like, it's like, a simple thing is like, if you always have it outside of your foot, (Brad: Yeah.) the muscles on the other side are not actually getting worked. And that changes how you walk, which changes how you work with your knees, it changes how you work with your hips, it changes how things feel in your back. And then that (Brad: Yeah.) changes how much you move eventually over time, which that you know, so like, it just that's on a physical level, and she's on a genetic level. So it's the exact same thing that's happening.Brad Crowell  Yeah. She said, also, how we feel stress, how we respond, react to stress also depends on how on how healthy our genes are. And then she said, very three specific things on how can we keep our genes healthy?So there are three main things. Right. There's internal, external and environmental. Internal is like the food, what are you putting in to your body? Right. So obviously, eating healthy. Secondly is the external like the the skincare, creams, sprays, dyes, anything that has to do with what we're putting on our body. And then the third thing is environmental choices. And typically, my understanding from the conversation is your environment creates stress. So, and then she said ...Lesley Logan  Well, aslo like, I mean, there's just if your walls have mold. (Brad: Oh, sure.) You know what I mean? Like there's also those kinds of things. (Brad: Yeah.) And the externals, I think that I want to just like jump in real quick, because I think it can be really easy to go, "Okay, well, I don't actually do a lot of these things." Your shampoo could be fucking you up, like (Brad: Yeah.) your lotions. And that's why like, one, we have like a very vegan. Thank you, Australia for this amazing non chemical deodorant that we actually it's not even a deodorant. It just like keeps us from smelling. But my friends and so I was like I need to and they like we actually went through the whole thing to find one because we need to ... (Brad: It's a deodorant, not an antiperspirant.) Yes, that's right. And then, but when I started going down in my health thing, Chris Talley, who I worked with, he actually worked with whole teams whose like entire performance was, they were still great players, but they were actually not doing what they were expecting them to do. (Brad: Yeah.) And he looked at all their blood and goes, "Yeah, y'all have something going on in that locker room." And so went into the environment for which they work, and found all these shampoos and all these soaps and all these lotions that were literally causing them to have too much estrogen in their body, which was slowing them down and changing their coordination. (Brad: pretty crazy.) Yeah, yeah. So like ...Brad Crowell  So there are a lot of things that you can't control in this. But also, just like we were talking about in our last conversation, you know, space and grace here, you cannot control everything. Okay? So you want to, you know, but just to be conscious and intentional about the things that you're putting into your body, the things you're putting on your body, the environments that you're in.Lesley Logan  Yeah, this is where you if you become too perfectionist about this, you are going to be living in a cave. Like, I know, it's like I, as someone who's been on ...Brad Crowell  A cave that gets lots of sunlight.Lesley Logan  Yeah. Well, I mean like I think you it's easy to go too extreme with this and you end up not being able to eat out with friends (Brad: Yeah, or just enjoy life.) or go to people ... or just enjoy life. So I loved that she pointed out like, I am drinking out of this water bottle, but I don't do these other things. And like that's, that's just like what we have to to give ourselves some space and grace on for sure.Brad Crowell  Yeah. So what was one of the I mean, now that we've kind of covered epigenetics, like what's (Lesley: Yeah.) one of the things that you love about what she said?Lesley Logan  Yeah, I mean, what I'm what I'm really excited about with her and what she does, and like the other people we've had, like Dr. Bender on and things like that is like, there are other ways, like there are ways to help take care of like what, like, you don't have to go, "Oh, I'm unhealthy." So that's my lot in life like we can actually support this and change course, and one of the easiest ways is to use supplements to assist. And she likes to do this because you can make it ea... an easy catalyst for making your body want to make better choices. And like, Chris, had me do this. And so I totally understood what she was talking about, which is like, I'm not on all the supplements that he put me on the first time I had to go work with him. But he said, "Go on these now. So your body can actually start to make these things or you crave these things." And so what's really cool is like, if you work with, with Jessica, or someone similar to her, it's not like you not every single supplement is for life, like, "Oh my God, I'm taking these for life." Ideally, it's to help you experience change quickly. So that you can start to live more optimally, start to have more energy, start to feel good. And then you start to make better changes because of that.Brad Crowell  Well also, it's also can be what like, in your specific case, to effectively restart your body producing those things. (Lesley: Yeah.) Because it it stopped, it forgot how and because, you know, for whatever reason, I know, like 10 years of trial and error of all the things I mean, I think something that everybody's heard about is like, if you stop drinking milk after a while, you're gonna have a hard time processing milk. If you stop eating meat for after a while, you'll have a hard time processing meat. It's the same thing. But like it can be in some pretty vital things like the digestion, right? The amount of stress that was happening in your body was actually blocking your body from producing enzymes that would break down food. (Lesley: Yeah.) So taking supplements helps your body remember, "Oh, yeah, I gotta do this." (Lesley: Yeah.) Right. And so you don't need to remind your body for the rest of your life. You just have to kickstart everything to get it back and going again. And that kickstart took a couple years to be honest.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I mean, and that's to be like, to be expected. It's like any, in any change, you know, even income, like recovering from a relationship, however long you're in that relationship, just so you know, you don't just recover in three days, if it was like a (Brad: Right) 10 year relationship. So like, it's the same thing with your body, they work the same way. And and I think what and the guessing game is what you don't want to do, you definitely want to work with someone like Jessica. And that was her whole thing is like educate yourself. Find someone you trust, find someone who aligns with you who gets results, ask like for testimonials, and then like, and then go down the course and and Amy says this all the time, try not to have seven people that you're getting advice from because you're not going to know what's working and what's not working and like, (Brad: Right.) really, truly do the research and then stay the course and it might and then advocate for yourself. Like we've talked about in other episodes. Like if it's not working or you don't feel like it's working, ask questions, but you all like if you've ever felt sick, do you make the best choices for your day that day? Like not really. You're like, well. Like ...Brad Crowell  Yeah, probably not.Lesley Logan  Like you know, I'll tell you if I was hungover. When I was hungover at 23 I wasn't exactly picking the most healthy salad for that day. I was like, "Let's bring on the Del Taco." Actually Taco Bell, crunchwrap supreme and cinnamon twist. That was like, "But I can't eat gluten and dairy anymore."Brad Crowell  Well, I think you said something that's really important is with Chris, and also with Jessica, the way they approach this is scientific. (Lesley: Yeah.) From a genetic, like, she's specifically talking about genes. I know Chris really focuses on the bloodwork as well. And, you know, she, you know, so Jessica said, your journey to a healthier life begins with a cheek swab. You just swab, drop it into the mail off and then you know, the lab brings back these results. And then she can analyze the results and help you understand what your body needs and how it can you know how to put yourself back onto this path of optimal health. And that really does take away the guesswork. (Lesley: Yeah.) It's not this like, I don't know, maybe I'll do a FODMAP diet now, maybe I'll do the elimination diet now. Maybe I'll I don't know. Like I mean, we were guessing for fucking years. It was it was it was like it made my mind blown.Lesley Logan  Well, the doctors were guessing too. And so it literally we were going crazy. It was a really stressful like it was just anyone asked me what I wanted to eat caused so much stress. (Brad: Yeah.) And that was just making things worse and exacerbating the problem. And so, you know, once we actually use science, thank God for that. It was like, "Oh, I can have all of these things. (Brad: Right.) We can cook with that? Oh, I just have to take these seven pills so that I can break down the food and then it became six and five and four." And so you guys don't have it's not, don't guess with this. (Brad: Yeah.) Yes, it's an investment so maybe have to spend some time like saving up but like your body is not something you want to guess at ... (Brad: Yeah.) to guess that in life.Brad Crowell  I mean, Jessica talks about that too, you know, she said, "Okay, eating healthy is expensive. Try being sick." (Lesley: Yeah.) You know, like, like, seriously, the way that we ...Lesley Logan  Especially if you're in the States, you're paying for that.Brad Crowell  You're paying for out of your own pocket most likely, you know, this, this kind of thing, unless you have like disease. It's probably this is more considered, quote unquote, "preventative," and like something that your insurance company would cover, you know, so, you know, if you get sick. Anyway, this, it is so important to focus on the stuff before you need it. (Lesley: Yeah.) You know, I guess, let me read, let me go back and say that, again. I have no idea whatever the insurance companies will and will cover. We just know that health care is more expensive here in the United States, for sure. But while this may feel expensive, upfront, it is going to save you a lot of time and money down the road. You know, because you're able to get ahead of stuff like this. I mean, some of the stuff is is like we don't even we don't even question the idea of a prostate exam or a mammogram. Like, why would we not like we can do something that is relatively innocuous now, to prevent something happening down the road? Well, this is no different. This is just what you're eating, what you should be consuming. And it may be as simple as, "Hey, let's get you on some of these supplements today. So that your body has the balance that it needs as you go."Lesley Logan  Well and also just like one final thought on this. Y'all, I have made more money in my life. Now that I'm not sick. It was so hard for me to say yes to things, to create programs, to agree to take on projects, I knew I would need energy for that I didn't have. Like, I could not entertain extra stuff on my plate. Because every everything I was like, "How am I going to feel? I don't feel very good. I can't do that." Like my life liter... like if I kept going the way I was going, you would not be listening this podcast, we would not have OPC, Profitable Pilates probably would not be celebrating Agency's fifth birthday, which somehow we definitely missed an episode 168 celebrating. (Brad: Oh right.) So Agency is fucking five and it would not even exist. (Brad: Yeah.) Because five years ago, I definitely wasn't feeling able to to lead others in that capacity. I wanted to, (Brad: I mean ...) that I couldn't leave them in a mass.Brad Crowell  The thing that was jaw dropping to me was when you sat down with, you know, the doc, Chris. He said, "You have no, you have almost no vitamin B, you according to the science, you should be suicidal." And that was like, "I'm sorry, what?"Lesley Logan  Yeah, no vitamin D, and then vitamin B. So I had nothing that would make like, make someone happy or have energy at all. And, and also he said, I he surprised that I was actually like, able to even work out. (Brad: Right) So I was definitely just taxing my body trying to make it do what my job was. Which was to teach people and train people and workout.Brad Crowell  Well also, I think the the forcing yourself to work out was kicking in the endorphins that were keeping you, you know, in a positive place (Lesley: Yeah.) for the most part (Lesley: Yeah) you know, but you know ...Lesley Logan  The other there was damage from that as well because I was just really taxing them. There was stuff wrong with myself.Brad Crowell  But there's also sustainable to have to do (Lesley: No, no.) that. Like, you know, you can only do that for so long until you can't work out that way anymore.Lesley Logan  I forget what one of the things was, but improve the next year, which was like, like, literally my veins were showing signs of like, aging. (Brad: Oh, right.) Yeah, because I like so the guessing game doesn't work. If you whether you reach out to Jessica or you find someone like her, y'all please like advocate for yourself. Give yourself permission to take care of yourself. And this is not, I know that this can sound indulgent or luxurious and like trust me when we paid for my first test that was on a that was a credit card. (Brad: Yeah.) Like that was not money I had in the bank. But I'm telling you and then the supplements also on a credit card. But what ends up happening is I was able to actually take this one massive issue off my plate and have energy where I can go, "Oh, oh, I have actually I can actually take on two more clients." And that is $1,000 extra a month. (Brad: Yep.) So within six months, I paid all of that off and I was making profit and then I was able to think about Agency and OPC (Brad: Yeah.) and all those things. I was like, "I'm unstoppable now." So anyways, (Brad: Yes, you are Babe.) get yourself checked out. Stop asking your friends what they're eating. Just find out what you're supposed to eat.Brad Crowell  Yeah, yeah. Amazing. All right. Well, yeah, I mean that I I just to wrap this up from my perspective. I'm so fucking glad we did that. And it was a lot of money, but it was, it was so worth it in every possible way. And, you know, I, I'm because I know that you are in a way better place physically and mentally because it took away the fear, it took away the guessing game, it took away the, like, just the stigma of the I'm going to be sick and defining your entire life by that and all of that, all that mess. We you know, like, some of that stuff still comes up every once in a while, of course, but, you know, there's no longer living in fear. (Lesley: Yeah.) So wow. All right. So finally, let's talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items, can we take away from your convo with Jessica Brothers? She gave us two. And I'm going to jump into one that is is actually just like something straight up you can be doing right away. She talked about briefly about the importance of sea salt in your diet or actually she said she does it. She didn't actually explain why. But obviously your body needs salt. She said sea salt in the morning in your 20 to 24 ounces of water. Grab one of those like pink Himalayan sea salt little ginder thingies, and she said 20 turns of the Himalayan sea salt or, you know, roughly a teaspoon and a half and then shake the water and the salt together and you know, get your morning going. And that will that's a positive thing that you can be putting into.Lesley Logan  Yeah, if that applies to you. What if that's the cheapest thing you could actually do. Like we drink ag one in the morning, this would be like literally pennies, like a half a penny. (Brad: Yeah.) But um, and here's the thing, cuz I was sort of into the same with my dad was salt when he you know, he's 70. So obviously things apply to different people at different stages in their life. So, but y'all hear how much water you're supposed to drink or you drink you're like, so focused on drinking water, electrolytes is actually salt, and and really, it's really what it is like, it's if you drink too much water without having salt in your diet, you drown your brain called hyponatremia. I wrote a paper on it. So because that was like a whole thing. I'm like, what's too much of a good thing and ...Brad Crowell  Super impressed by you right now.Lesley Logan  I know. And they talked about like cyclists, like if they were just to drink water, when they're out, right, like riding their bike or runners, if you're only just to drink water, you would actually end up getting sick, and possibly drying your brain. And the reason is, is because you're sweating. (Brad: Right.) And so you need to replace, and if you've ever tasted your sweat is salty. So you have to, you have to replace that so that you don't end up with like this saturating yourself without having anything that balances out.Brad Crowell  Well, I always am a fan of the why behind the what. So (Lesley: Yeah) thanks for that. (Lesley: Yeah) What did you love?Lesley Logan  Here for the fun facts. Okay, so my favorite action item is to create a morning routine for you. And she has begun with salt water, but you can have like fill your own cup. Do what you are doing, do what you're doing for you, not anyone else, it must make you happy. These are three points with that. So here, this kind of goes back into like the morning routine from Alan's episode 168. But like, has to like make sure that what's in your morning routine filter ... It's really important that whatever is in your routine, you're not doing to impress anybody else. And I think that especially in the month of January, people have a lot of goals for the new year. And it's like, here's all the things that I'm I'm, you know, wanting to do. And if they're to keep up with your friends or because your friends did it and they look a certain way or they act a certain way or they have some you want to have. (Brad: Right) If it doesn't fit with the science of what you need, and you're not doing it for you. It's not sustainable. That is the that is a big reason why people don't achieve their goals is that often the goals they set are not for themselves. So make sure that part of your morning routine is for you and not for anyone else.Yeah, yeah. Awesome. Well, I think I think you nailed that there. So (Lesley: Thank you.) I got nothing to add.Well, thank you, Jessica, for being here. I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan  How are you going to use these tips in your life? What are they inspiring you to do? Once again, we're so grateful for you. Thank you so much for being here, for being part of this community, for your amazing questions. You can keep sending them into the@be_it_pod on Instagram or you can email us at beitpod. What did they email us? beitpodAt beit@bloompods.netbeit@bloompods.net. Well, this is why have a team. And I hope to hear from you all soon.Brad Crowell  Bye for now.Lesley Logan  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. 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Coming off of a great conversation with Alan Stein Jr., Brad and Lesley, recap the ways that you can become the best on your personal court. Tune in for insights into finally breaking the cycles of shame, guilt, and fear that are holding you back and ways to instead nourish your soul.  If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Excel at teaching Pilates the way only YOU can with Agency Mini 8 Perfect is unattainable The driving force behind the pursuit of perfectionGrace through the mistakes How to break the cycle of guilt, shame, and criticism, that can lead to depressionCreate a clear vision of who you want to be How to set yourself up to become your ideal version of yourself Episode References/Links:Agency Mini 8eLevate Mentorship waitlist  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyUse this link to get your Toe Sox!ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the slam dunk in convo I had with Alan Stein Jr. in our last episode. I cannot believe he made me say that out loud. Someone wrote that clearly has never played basketball. (Brad: Slam dunk in.) Slam dunk in and is also from the East Coast. Anyways, if you haven't yet listen to this interview, feel free to pause us now, go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us. Just so you know, Brad, listen to it. How many times? 2 3 (Brad: 3) 3 times. (Brad: Yeah) So fucking great. Love it. Love it. Love Alan and hope that we can cross paths again. If you're listening to this Alan. Hi. Basically, we're pretty obsessed. Anyways, real quick announcements. We got a lot of them because Happy 2023! Holy moly.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I can't believe it.Lesley Logan  This is a big deal year, y'all. (Brad: It's a big deal year.) First of all, we just got back from our tour 6500 miles, it was a trip. We also are tested out a new way of doing the van. Brad and my dad like built out a bed four feet off the ground. So I feel like I'm 11 with bunk beds. But no one is below to like pushin the mattress up.Brad Crowell  You can see what we're talking about on the OPC blog. So if you go to onlinepilatesclasses.com/blog. We we have pictures up.Lesley Logan  Oh, that's so fun. Thanks for doing that so people can follow along. (Brad: Yeah) We also officially kick off around two of my eLevates which is my mentorship group and for Pilates teachers. And it's so fun. (Brad: It's called eLevate.) eLevate. (Brad: This making sure that was clear.) And it's a capital L not that that matters when you Google. Anyways, I just like it. Like I just like the way it looks. Round one was so much fun. We had so many amazing women from all over the world, literally all over the world join us that we decided to do a round two. It sold out so fast and we had so many amazing applicants that I opened up round three. So hey loves, if you're like, "Wait, you have a mentorship?" Yes, I do. And we kick off this third one in May. (Brad: What is a mentorship?) That's great question. So a mentorship is a little different than a Mastermind, although, you know, I'm big on community. So if you're in my mentorship, you're still going to have community that you get to learn from and work off of. But a mentorship is basically a group of people who pick someone that they want to learn from because that person teaches or understands or does them in a way that they are like, "I want that." And so if you watch my tutorials, and you take my classes and you just really enjoy the way I teach, you will still sound like you because that is priority number one.Brad Crowell  So specifically we're talking about Pilates.Lesley Logan  Well, you can have a mentorship in anything.Brad Crowell  No, but this is a Pilates mentorship. (Lesley: Yes.) Meaning you're gonna learn basically, classical Pilates from Lesley, as taught to her by her teacher, Jay Grimes....Lesley Logan  And other teachers that I studied from yeah.Brad Crowell  Yeah. And Jay was a student of Joseph Pilates.Lesley Logan  Yes. And you have to already have been a teacher (Brad: Yes) to do it.Brad Crowell  So anyway, there's, there may still be a few spots left for round three, which we'll be getting started in May.Lesley Logan  Yeah, the time of recording this. There's three left. So at the time this comes out if there's still three left. I hope it's you.Brad Crowell  Yeah. Go to lesleylogan.co/elevate for more information on that.Lesley Logan  Yeah. And then this is my birthday month.Brad Crowell  Yeah. Happy birthday.Lesley Logan  Start wishing me happy birthday. Just so you know, if you wish me an early you don't have to also wish me on the day. I get like that people don't like the whole birthday month thing. But like it's just so that you don't have to like you go, "Oh, I missed it." You haven't missed it. Because you have a whole month to tell me. And there's gonna be some amazing, yummy stuff that we are cooking up for you. And we'll let you know. So make sure you're listening to the ads on this show or paying attention to what we emailed out because I'm I don't know what that birthday bash is going to be at. (Brad: Yeah. We're still working it out.) Still working it out. And lastly, on the ...Brad Crowell  One thing we're not working out which is totally in stone and happening.Lesley Logan  Oh yeah. And let me just say dialed and this is our eighth round of Agency Mini which is our coaching group, which is different than elevate because this is that everything but the exercise which what is what Profitable Pilates has always been.Brad Crowell  It's all about the business side of (Lesley: Yeah) running a fitness business.Lesley Logan  And if you're listening to this in real time, if you're not already on the waitlist, get on it because we're going to open up the doors probably any day now for people to join in the group early. We started this last summer with Agency Mini seven where we actually let those people who were like early like overachievers and got signed up right away. We let them in the group early so they can actually do some homework to get prepared for the week of a mini. (Brad: Prep work. Yeah, yeah.) Yeah, Agency Mini is all about clarity, y'all. You're going to literally have clarity on your business who you work with, how you help them, how they find you, what you offer all those ... (Brad: What you should charge?) what you should charge, you know, what's your schedule, all those things. And of course, any question in between and beyond is appropriate to ask us. But our workshop is designed and the homework designed to really help you have clarity, because if you don't have clarity, you're just gonna get overwhelmed. And so this is our eighth one. And we say this all the time, if you've been listening for a while, but we don't know exactly the dates of Agency Mini number nine, but I can tell you, it's in the fall, which means almost next year, and if you if you wait nine plus months, for coaching on your business, you're probably keeping yourself from sanity making the money you want to make working with the people, you want to have having boundaries that just make you feel like a rockstar, all those things.Brad Crowell  Yeah. And if, if you're like anybody else, and you've heard that dreaded R word, the recession, you know, we are working with all of our everyone who's in Agency, we're working through all of that stuff together. So if that's something that is causing fear in your life, you're not alone, there's a community of people who are still also worried about clients and retention, and getting new clients and growing and all those same things. And that's definitely a common topic of conversation. SoLesley Logan  And also, y'all because at the time of this, like, it's really unclear if we're having one, if we're in one, (Brad: Yeah) if there's going to be one, it's also going to be very different than the one that was in 2008, which is, I think, what everyone fears, (Brad: Right) because it's a very different reason for being in one. So what I have to say about that just really quickly is your fear is going to make you do some really fucked up shit in your business. And you might end up discounting things before you need to, or saying yes to working on your days off and you're gonna burn out and you're going you might end up making decision ...Brad Crowell  ... resentment and creates more fear.Lesley Logan  Yeah. Or also you could offer services at a price that literally cost you money. And (Brad: Right) so then for it, you actually start to lose your business. So what's really important and what we pride ourselves in an agency is every time something like this comes up in any part of the world, or like when the world went pandemic, we all get to work with each other and you can see a possibility is there are studios in there that are so thriving. It is unbelievable. They're like what our work and there's other studios that are struggling and it's because we have to change their messaging so that they're reaching the right people you can no longer can you just go Pilates six o'clock Tuesday, that doesn't work. People need to know why why you, why are you there to help them and that's going to work on Agency Mini. So definitely join us by the way, the cost of Agency Mini the full price I can't remember it's, it's like $75. Right? (Brad: $62.50) $62.50 holy frickin molly ...Brad Crowell  For one week of coaching and we will effectively answer any question that you have.Lesley Logan  And if we have early bird going on right now, when you click the link in the show notes, then lucky youBrad Crowell  It's only 25 bucks if that's the case. (Lesley: Yeah. So there you go. Okay.) Yeah, so you can find that at profitablepilates.com/mini. (Lesley: Yeah) Profitable. I know I like flub that word profitablepilates.com/mini.Lesley Logan  It's just a really like, I'm gonna be really honest, all of the everything except for my own name. And then people get that wrong. All of our titles. I'm like ... I feel (Brad: Yeah, that's a novels.) like Sally Sally sold sold seashells at the seashore. Like, I feel like I need to do that before I say any of our web addresses. Anyways, profitablepilates.com/mini. Get yourself over there. We cannot wait to work with you. (Brad: Yeah, do it.) Okay. Before we go into Alan, which I can't wait. I think we're gonna probably go long. We had an audience question.Brad Crowell  We did. The question and this is a great question. I'm glad you DMed. And I've been following your posts. And I feel that I'm at a point where I need to do a coaching call with you. My business is really complicated. But I feel like it's not growing the way that I want. How do I book a call and what is the cost?Lesley Logan  I love this question. It came through on my Profitable Pilates, Instagram. And I just want to like couple things. When I read this, I was like, I kind of can feel like I read between the lines. When I hear complicated business. It tells me like you have a lot of great ideas and you're trying to have too, you have too many fires going on. Or maybe you've got like some like membership over here, but packages over here like you've ...Brad Crowell  Right. We like complicated offerings.Lesley Logan  Yeah. And I'm not saying that those were the wrong things to create. But we often do that when we're trying to put an idea together and then we try to mold it to people without having some guidance. (Brad: Sure) And hi, did that. (Brad: Yeah, been there.) been there and and that is why we got coaching and also like some things we had to get rid of and some things we had to tweak. And some things we have changes in streamline things. And so first of all, there isn't a complicated business, we have not been able to uncomplicate if you can take the right actions and second of all, yes, I do do coaching calls, so does Brad and we actually have four amazing other coaches inside of Agency. But that's a specific word. It's all inside of Agency. We don't have any outside coaching calls and here's why. There's so much information that goes into a coaching call because we don't have any like formulas or tools. We're like, "Okay, this is your problem. Here's your solution." Here's like, we don't have an if this then that. (Brad: It's not templates.) Yeah, that's a good word for it. So what we have to actually do is know you, I know your goals, and we want to make sure we have your magic number figured out. We want to look at all these things, we tweak it apart. And then also, you're gonna have questions afterwards. And I know, I know people we're like, "No, no one called me enough." Is not enough, is not enough. And you're gonna go home, I know what you want to why? Because I have a coaching call with my coach. And then a week later, I'm like, "Oh, what did she mean by that? I need to call her up." And guess what? I have to do it within her boundaries, which is in her mastermind that's a year long program. It's the same thing we haven't said of Agency, we need you to be in the group so that we can actually guide you along because you're gonna have questions and we don't want you off on your own. Going, "Okay, this is what they said. And now I don't know what this means. And I'm just gonna have to do it or worse have wasted that money and I just do things the way I been doing it."Brad Crowell  Yeah, so yes, we absolutely offer coaching calls. You can only book them if you're inside of Agency. So the best way to do that is to go to profitablepilates.com/agency or if you want to have a teaser of what Agency is. Join us in Mini like we were just talking about so profitablepilates.com/mini.Lesley Logan  It's a great way to see if you like our vibes. Right. (Brad: Yeah) And like hear how we coach. So cool. Brad Crowell  Okay, now let's talk about Alan Stein, Jr. His first love in life was basketball. And before he became an author and keynote speaker, Alan Stein, Jr. shared his lessons, strategies and mindsets with some of the world's best basketball players as a performance training coach. He even had, like, you know, deals with Nike and you know, Adidas and whatever these massive companies ... (Lesley: His resume is ridiculous.) It's kind of insane. He's worked with like crazy athletes in basketball for 20 years being performance coaches for them. But Alan now leads and he coaches, leaders and organizations on how to use those same tactics that he was helping the the players in the court, he helps leaders and organizations to become the best at what they do, and level up on their personal court, or their business core.Lesley Logan  I love that. That's super cute. It's not he's got basketball to use sports for leadership and I love to use like dating for for businesses. So I feel like, you know, all works together. Anyways, okay, where do I start?Brad Crowell  Okay. I think this is something that you say all the time. And it's basically it's has something to do with boring.Lesley Logan  Oh, yes. Perfect is so boring. (Brad: Yeah) And I loved he talked about, like, the justification for why like he actually justified why perfect is unattainable and boring. So he has a measuring stick, Am I doing the best I can with what I have, wherever I am? What a great question to ask yourself. So we have somebody who are like ...Brad Crowell  Well, before he got to, he forgets that point, though. That's his, that's how he lives his life today. He talked about his fear of unworthiness, driving that pursuit of perfection, so he didn't feel worthy. And so he thought, "Alright, well, if I don't feel worthy. I need to feel worthy. So I'm going to be the absolute best at my thing, at my craft, at my game, at my all of the things." And so it drove him down this path, pursuit of perfection. Right. And it's an unattainable goal.Lesley Logan  Yeah. Thanks for taking us back on the journey. I'll make sure I don't forget what I was ever I was saying. I probably did. But it's okay because I'm not perfect. And thank God for that. So life isn't a perfect game. In that episode, we actually talked about like that there's never been a perfect game ever. (Brad: Right.) There's never been a perfect game ...Brad Crowell  Yeah. So it was like no fouls, no, like, no ...Lesley Logan  No missed baskets. No, no, whatever.Brad Crowell  Those three stats and he said, "Never in the history of basketball has been a perfect game."Lesley Logan  Yeah, I mean, you know before like, at the time of recording this you all the World Cup was going on. There has not been a single game with all those incredible players we can all say are the best of the best where they live and where they're from. That has been perfect. And I know because I my little news app would show like this awful thing of some amazing player making a mistake. Of course that's what they show. And I think that's our fears like everyone is going to see the mistake you made just so you know, very few people are going to know the mistake that you made and you are not that mistake that you made and so life isn't a perfect game. And he his his new measuring stick, which was I talked about earlier is that, "Am I doing the best I can with what I have wherever I am?" And I think this is what's cool because I don't want us to take away is that you don't have to strive to be better or or like you, can you like that at any strive of trying to be a better version of you, is pursuit of pursuit of perfection? That's not it because we all can get stronger or learn more or do better as we know better. But I love this question where it's like, "Am I doing the best I can with what I have wherever I am?" Because if that ever is a no, that's when you know, "Okay, now it's time for me to level up or learn more or do this thing." But if the answer is yes, like it's fucking chill out. Take a beat. So a couple of bullet points, except that I have flaws.Brad Crowell  Yeah, he's talking about his you know, the reality of it.Lesley Logan  Yeah. You're like, he's like, he's fallible. I'm going to make mistakes. I'm going to make boneheaded decisions. We all do. Because also, you know, we're all going back to Chris's podcast, like, we all fear you never, like you're never going to be fear, like, without fear ever, we add a new level, and you just get better at identifying it faster. But you are going to make decisions based off of that and go, "That was dumb." Right? There'll be days where I'm going to, or I'm in a funk or feeling lousy. Give yourself permission to feel and do things to be less than perfect. And that is really hard. So for those who are like, "How do I practice that though?" Like, here's some apical ways. Don't overthink your frickin social media posts. Like just like, right, there is a great, great place to practice being imperfect. Like don't worry if that no one cares with commas, they're they're not reading all the words anyways. If they go, "You to put a period here." And go, "Oh, thanks so much for editing that." Like seriously, like, I it was really hard, like, part of my ditching perfection was like when someone was, was editing my posts for me and the captions. And I was just like, okay, and I went back and edit as like, thanks so much. Another thing you can do is like, if you're practicing Pilates, and I know some of you are teachers, or those of you who have like, started doing Pilates with us, just allowing your practice to be what it is. So it's not that you're like, like just flinging your arms around. But you're noticing, "Oh, wow, that isn't feeling the way it did yesterday." Okay, you know, and not going, "Oh, I didn't get that right. I'm never hitting the mat again." So and then he also said, instead, focus on giving your best effort, and having the best attitude to be kind and of service, do the best you can with what you have, wherever you are. And that just goes back to his measuring stick. Am I doing the best I can with what I have wherever I am? Sometimes, like, oftentimes the answer is yes. You guys. Like oftentimes the answer is yes.Brad Crowell  Yeah, one thing that you were talking about with the World Cup, and you know, these players being on the world stage, and also not being perfect. I'm sure you heard about the, the captain of the US team was put in a very, very difficult position by an antagonistic journalist. And he asked him like, you know, he accused him first of pronouncing Iran incorrectly. And then he asked him, "How could he represent the United States when there's so much racism that happens in the United States?" And it was like this really, like, touchy moment. And the this guy 23 years old. His response was, "I'm terribly sorry, that that I pronounced your country's name incorrectly. And I'm grateful for you for correcting me on how to say it." Right. And secondly, he said, "You know, in the United States we're pursuing, you know, we're in pursuit of being better and in pursuit of being of being less racist. And that's how I can justify representing my country, because we are pursuing something better." And I thought at first, I thought that was an unbelievably like, (Lesley: Oh, my God.) well, like, well ...Lesley Logan  I didn't even breath, was waiting to hear what he said.Brad Crowell  Oh, man, it was like it could have been clearly so bad. But it was an amazing, amazing response. And but one, what I felt was incredible was the first off the humility that he showed by saying, I'm he straight up, apologize. There wasn't even a hesitation you said, "I'm sorry. I, I definitely said it wrong. And thank you for teaching me." (Lesley: Yeah) You know, and and, you know, when you're pursuing perfection, like you actually, this is another point that we that I hadn't even included, including our lineup here. But Alan actually said, you asked him a really great question, "Over your career of training these people. Did you notice any recurring theme among like these epic athletes?" And he said, "Oh, yeah, there are three trends from high performers." One is they respected the foundation, the basics, they keep going back to the basics. Second is that they blend confidence with humility in a masterful way. And the third is he said they were very process focused, right. And so that second point of being him, having humility, being humble, you know, was well, I was put this guy knows he's not perfect. And he was humble about it when, you know, like, put in a really tough position on the world stage. So ...Lesley Logan  Yeah, I mean, and here's like, you know, I think we, I mean, we can't I'm, those questions are just so harsh. A little like, out of to me like very antagonistic is the best word. I think we have to I try to assume that like most people who are making mistakes without being perfect are like there were not intentional mistakes, you know, like, the him saying the country's name incorrectly I have heard in our country that kind of that name said in so many ways. (Brad: Yeah) I you know what I mean? So like, I feel like, I feel like one what we can learn from that is like, an instant apology, and it should be enough. And like, it is, it is okay to be in process. Like we make mistakes all the time. Most are unintentional. And I think if we can all go that was like, let's give that person that grace to correct that. And also, and then those people who have made the mistake giving yourself the grace to go, "Okay, what happened here? Okay, I didn't know that. Now, I do. Now, I won't make that mistake again." And just moving forward, like Jen van Barneveld-Pe said in her episode with us correct and continue, correct and continue. (Brad: Right) Like, you can't go back and like re say how you did that. So you just have to take make that correction and continue. And that's it goes back to that like process of those athletes we're doing?Brad Crowell  Yeah, totally and absolutely. And you also mentioned something that leads right into my point (Lesley: Great) which I loved ...Lesley Logan  ... loved when, I'm a good transition.Brad Crowell  You mentioned grace. You know, you the two of you really got into a couple of different things. Like what do you do when you make a bad decision? Right. And you were just kind of talking about getting back to process? But also how making a bad decision? What's the first thing we do is we beat ourselves up? (Lesley: Yeah) You know, and, you know, so when, when Alan was talking about his own pursuit of perfection, and how is an unattainable goal? And, you know, what did he do? How did he come to the realization that, you know, he's not gonna be perfect is because he was making these mistakes. And he said, ultimately, he realized, I have to give myself grace when I make a mistake like that. I have to give myself space. I have to be kind to myself. And he said, the worst thing we can do is pile on the shame, the guilt, the criticism, in our own self talk. (Lesley: Yeah) Because it keeps us in a loop of fear, of anger, you know, (Lesley: Oh, yeah.) depression and like, leads to depression. You know, so he said, you know, how do you do this? You know, he said, "Well, what if it wasn't you that made the mistake? What if it was someone that you loved?" You know, more likely than not, you're going to say to them, "Hey, you know, you made a mistake, you know, and that's, you know, maybe it's, maybe what you did needs to be corrected, but it was a mistake." And we can move through this, you know, and he said, you know, "Speak to yourself with the same kindness, compassion, empathy, that you would show for a loved one." And then you two had a fascinating conversation about the things that you say to yourself, you probably would never say to someone else.Lesley Logan  Oh, yeah. You know, it's so interesting. I know, everyone's hearing this going, "Yeah, yeah, yeah." And then like, and then it happens, and like, something recently happened was an unintentional mistake that that we made. And I found myself fighting to, like, apply all of this. And like, in real time, like, don't pile on the shame. But I felt shame. Don't pile on the guilt. I felt guilt. (Brad: Sure) I felt guilt in a weird way because I was like ... I didn't intend to make that mistake. But like, because I am a recovering perfectionist, I found myself finding things to feel guilty over. You know, because I was just like, you know, and then the criticism and I found myself fighting back and forth, not to be angry at the mistake itself and not to be angry at the people but like to my attention and not be angry at myself. It is not easy. And so even in your pursuit to be kind and gracious to yourself, you won't be perfect. (Brad: Sure) And I don't necessarily want to go through that again. But I do hope that the next time I make an unintentional mistake, or even just a mistake, that had unintentional consequences that I can shorten up how hard I am, or, and try to get back to the grace because it is it like what it did do was like 1,000% took me out of what was in purpose. It took me into a place where like I really was struggling to even make any decisions. And that actually hurts everybody. (Brad: Yeah) That hurts everybody even more than the the mistake. And and oftentimes the mistake is not even as big as it is. But even if it is, even if it feels like it's on this world stage of sorts, you know, I don't believe that we are, we are the one mistake we've made like we are more than that. And I do love, like, how would you talk to a family member? It's like, okay, if it says this happened to somebody else in my family, I'd probably say these things. And that did help calm me down and at least get me to like finish work for that day.Brad Crowell  Yeah. And I liked what you said about, well, so your thoughts become habits. Right. And I know we talked about this in another episode, that we can choose our thoughts, and we can break that cycle of negative self talk. And each time you do that, you're creating a new path for your brain to go down. And while you are still going to feel the the shame, feel the guilt, feel the frustration. Instead of it being something that can, you know, derail everything, maybe it's a smaller experience that time. And then, okay, let's get on this new brain, you know, this groove that we've carved in our brain of, okay, have the conversation with yourself of, you know, being creating, that grace, that space, that kindness. And, you know, as we go through life, because it's a lifelong pursuit, you know, maybe we can shift more quickly as we grow.Lesley Logan  Yeah. Which I think is great. So I just this conversation was amazing.Brad Crowell  Yeah. I was so impressed by he's, so he's clearly a thinker. And he's like the epitome of of like, the coach that you see in a movie, you know what I mean? And like, like, the things he was saying ...Lesley Logan  You hear that Alan, you need to be in a movie. (Brad: Yeah.) They should make a movie about you. (Brad: Yeah.)Brad Crowell  You know, the things he was saying are, he's put so much thought and so much study into working with performance. And it comes across and he was going through, I mean, everything you two were talking about, could have been the theme of this recap episode. Just so much amazing quality perspectives in there. That's why I listened to it three times.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I don't know. We'll have to find a reason. We'll have to happen back again. Because there's more to talk about. He has two books. (Brad: Love it.) So go listen to him and Agency we actually picked his book for our January book club. (Brad: Oh, fun.) So yeah, I'm very excited for them, too. I know a lot of them listen to an audio. So I'm excited for them to hear his voice.Brad Crowell  Amazing. All right. So finally, let's talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted action items can we take away from your conversation with Alan Stein, Jr.? I'm gonna go first. So I thought this was really profound. I thought this was really slam dunk in.Lesley Logan  It's a slam dunk, it's just a slam dunk.Brad Crowell  He said, have a crystal clear vision of who you want to be 20 years from now. And he rattled off a list of like, three different major bullet points of who he wants to be, how he wants to operate. Like the things he wants to see in his life, the family, the friends he wants to see in his life, the things he's trying to do for others. I thought it was really impressive. He like knows that by heart, it was a crystal clear vision. And he said in as if you know who you want to be 20 years from now. Every single decision you make today should be done should be made through the lens of is this going to help me become closer to that person I want to be 20 years from now? Or is it going to take me further away? And he boiled that down all the way to, what am I watching on Netflix tonight? What food am I eating? What am I going to bed? What is my morning routine like? I mean all these things every single decision that you make, should drive yourself towards being that person and he said you know what the byproduct is? You become that person today.Lesley Logan  Well, you know that's all be it till you see it and I you brought up Netflix and I'm so I'm not ready to give up my habits ... There's some other places I could probably make it happen. I just wanted to middle some series and I just have to get the questions answered.Brad Crowell  Well, aside from that. (Lesley: I know but ...) What about you?Lesley Logan  I actually have I wanted to do this because it's in this month because I'm like, it's so easy to picture 60. (Brad: Sure) Because it's my 40th birthday month. And, and I'm like, "Oh, 60 like Oprah." Like, you know, I'm just, I think she's probably past 60 at this point, but I remember when she turned 60 and like, "Oh, I can picture that." And like, it doesn't have to be scary, doesn't be like, "Oh, I'm going to be 60 in 20 years." Like, what? What, at 60 fucking hope I'm retired, and what am I doing, and I can't wait. So that's the fun, thanks for that BE IT action. And my favorite, of course, has to do with free routines, self audit of you, your morning and evening routines. So this is great. This is for my people who like, like, they're like tell me how to journal, tell me what to do. So you grab a piece of paper, I mean, just remind you what it is, on the left side of the paper, I want you to come up with an exhaustive list of all the things that fill your bucket and nourish your soul. And you guys, it might take you a day, like you might have to like put this list and like set it down and like walk off and then all of a sudden you like, someone opens the door for you at the coffee shop and you're sitting there and friendly slash like, oh, fresh flowers nourish ... like, you know what I mean? Like it might be, if you've not done this and you're not paying attention to it, it might take you a little bit longer than just like a brain dump. Okay. And give yourself permission to have that time. Then on the right side of the page, I want you to write down, oh, he wants you to interrupt me. He wants you to write down how you've been spending the bookends of your day. So your morning, evening routine. Then he wants you to compare the two sets of notes. And ask yourself a very important question. Are you doing things in your morning and evening routine that will fill your bucket and make you feel most alive? So if what is on the left is not hanging out in your morning and evening on the right, you got some things to do.Brad Crowell  So let's say on the left side, if something that fills your cup is spending quality time with your significant other or maybe connecting, reconnecting with your family. And in your morning and evening routines. You're not setting aside the time to do that quality time. Maybe that's an adjustment that you should be making.Lesley Logan  Yeah, yeah. And, and you guys, it's not all or nothing, right? So like, like five minutes at a time is where we can make increments and I know you're like that's nothing but five times seven is 35 quality minutes you didn't have last week with that person. (Brad: Sure) And you may find because of the way the brain works, that you're enjoying it so much you end up finding eight minutes, and then 10 minutes and then 30 minutes. All of a sudden you're like what or something cancelling you're like we can have a whole evening a quality time together like your brain will start be seeking out more of what makes you feel good. Like that's how it works. (Brad: Yeah) But you've got to be spending time in the field good so your brain can start to seek that out. So anyways, Alan, you're fucking amazing. Y'all, I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell  I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan  Thank you so much for joining us today. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Seriously, let us know. Tag @alansteinjr, tag the @be_it_pod. We are so grateful for you. I can't believe we're going into another year with you. (Brad: Yeah) This is like technically year two but like year three, I'm not really sure what the calendar. At any rate, it's been awesome. And we are we are we're so we're so grateful to have you. So we'll catch you on the next episode.Brad Crowell  Bye for now.That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. 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What or who are the villains in your life keeping you from the things that are meant for you? This episode holds everything from overcoming those villains, changing nervousness to confidence, and the best tips for road trips. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How to survive a long road trip Take a bet on yourself How to connect past dots to move forward The ebbs and flows of confidence is normal The ultimate way you achieve confidence How to change nervousness to confidenceThree steps to overcoming you villains Episode References/Links:Join the Pilates popup tour!Come to Cambodia!Find out more about Agency! Educated By Tara WestoverOvercome Your Villains by Heather Monahan  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyUse this link to get your Toe Sox!ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co hosts in life, Brad and I want to dig into the influential convo I had with Heather Monahan in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to the interview, feel free to pause this now, go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us. Honestly, you should listen to her. (Brad: Yeah) She is written two books. She has been talking this talk and walking this walk for a long time. And if anyone's been be it till she sees it, she's one of those examples and if you've been listening to pod for a long time, you will remember many moons ago I said, I want to have Heather Monahan on this show. Boom, I have Heather Monahan on this show. (Brad: Love it.) I'm so proud of that.Brad Crowell  Yeah. I do remember she was on the wish list.Lesley Logan  She was on the wish list.Brad Crowell  Because of a quote that she said.Lesley Logan  Yes. She said, "Don't take a no from anyone who ... isn't able to give you a yes."Brad Crowell  Yeah. And I remember we had a whole conversation about that. You were really excited when you heard that.Lesley Logan  Yeah. So that hey, y'all what that means is, if someone's assistant tells you, no, they're telling you no, because I have an assistant most people know, because the person said, "I don't want to do any of these things." But that doesn't mean they don't want to ever do any of those things. They just want to make sure that like most of them don't get through. But if you find the third door, another person I want to have on the show, someone can put that person down the wish list. There's a third door and that's how you get the yes from an actual person and give you the yes, boom. Anyways, hello from Texas. We are on the road this week, officially. And we are if you're listening this like today, when this drops, we have two classes in Frisco, and we which is like just North of Dallas. It's a really cool area of Dallas at air, actually. And I've been there many times and I love it. In fact, I was just there last week, just so then we're gonna go Houston. (Brad: Tomorrow) Yep. I've actually never been to Houston. So I'm really excited about this.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I've only driven through. I've never been there to be there.Lesley Logan  Do we call them Houstonians? I don't know. Well, tell me.Brad Crowell  I'm gonna, I'm gonna go with the ... I don't know on that one.Lesley Logan  I don't know about that one. But you know, I'm sure that they're Texas. They'll tell us. Then we had to Nashville. And then it's Atlanta, then Greensboro, North Carolina, and then Cleveland and then St. Louis. And then a little hang sesh with food and Denver. (Brad: Yeah.) So Denver peeps, you need to reach out and let us know if you want in on an info. Because there's no way to buy a ticket for that situation.Brad Crowell  Yeah. And we may have some spots left on this tour here. So if you wanted to come, hang and have a class, go to onlinepilatesclasses.com/tour.Lesley Logan  Yeah. And if there are no space, spaces left, definitely let our team know, because you never know what happens with people. (Brad: It's true.) We can like ...Brad Crowell  Yeah, keep us posted. Because also too, there's a chance we may add additional classes if we get enough interest. So make sure you reach out.Lesley Logan  And well, you can also just show up. And buy flashcards if you want to buy that as a gift for yourself. (Brad: Yeah, come meet us. Come say, hi.) You could say hi to the dogs, they will be at these events, probably hanging out in the van. But we'll bring them out for people who are dog lovers. And don't forget, if you are on the waitlist for Cambodia for 2023, you have emails in your inbox. (Brad: Oh yeah.) And I know you're thinking, "Oh, I can wait till ..." Like it's fine. It's like 10 9 11 months away. So here's the deal, we actually go public with this offer. And very soon, and that means we're not holding a spot for you. We're not saving it for you. So right now the perk of being on the waitlist is that you hear about it early, and you get first dibs and it could sell out just by the waitlist. So make sure you snag your spot if that's what you're wanting to do. Especially before the price goes up. And before other people hear about it, you go to lesleylogan.co/retreat. And then one more thing that's very important we want to make sure no one misses out on this. It's like key to me. And it's something I actually preach on when we are coaching people on raising their rates. But we are raising the Agency rate on January 1st. (Brad: That's right. Yeah.) So if you've ever, ever been like, "Oh, someday I'm gonna do that." Now is the time because it will never be the price that it is right now. (Brad: That's true.) And here's the deal. We, when you join Agency, whatever rate you join in it, is the rate you get to keep (Brad: Yeah) for as long as you're an Agency member. So you'd be like think about the people been there for five years. Yeah. So don't wait till next year because think about what you could have done in this last year. If you've wondered like what Agency members have done in the past year. Let me just tell you, we've had members open new studios. We've had several open studios, by the way, actually, (Brad: Yeah) at this point in the year. I think we're at six studios this year that people have opened. (Brad: Yeah) You like, "I don't want to open a studio. I just want it for myself." Yeah, we have hundreds of people doing it, too. One of our members her her social media following has quadrupled in size, she's had like 1000s, like 10s of 1000s in one month, and her online platform has had multiple people buy. So like, whether or not you wanna work for yourself, you want to open a studio, you want to run multiple studios. We got people for you. We got Erika Quests, we got Roxy Menzies, we got Alex Street. Everyone has had a podcast here.Brad Crowell  Yeah. At the end of last year, one of our members hosted an international Pilates festival. (Lesley: Yeah) You know with so many things that have happened inside of Agency and ...Lesley Logan  Two of our, two of our pro members have teamed up to lead our mentorship together. (Brad: Yeah) They would never have met, like and trust each other in that way, if they had not had their Agency experience over these years ...Brad Crowell  People have launched teacher training programs, they've hired teachers, they've, you know, brought in new clients. There's just all the things and we want that for you. Our mission is more bodies doing Pilates. And when we empower you to grow your business, it serves what what we're trying to do as well. And we also have a lot of fun, and it takes away a lot of that anxiety.Lesley Logan  It's so fun. In Fridays, especially because it's back fuck yeah Friday. It's always wins all the time. And even people are begrudgingly doing a win because they needed a moment before. Like it's always a win. So anyways, you if you want to book a exploratory call to see if Agency is right for you, then where do they go, Brad?Brad Crowell  Just go to, DM us either, DM us on the pod or you can reach out through the Profitable Pilates website, just go to the contact page and reach out and we will happily set up a call and you'll probably talk to me.Lesley Logan  Yeah. So but again, that starts January 1st, please don't call me on January 2nd, go, "Oh gosh, can I have the old rate?" You can't actually and here's why I won't let you do that in your business. And so I can't, I have to ... operate in that integrity so that I can help you operate in your integrity. So anyways, we like to give that announcement. And that is happening in January 1st.Brad Crowell  Yeah. Before we move on that we had an audience question. They said that the question was, hey LL, you said last year that you drove 7000 miles on your tour? And obviously we're on a tour right now. How the heck do you pass all that time while you're driving? I just couldn't imagine being in the car that long myself.Lesley Logan  I think people think that like you and I are just like chit chatting like 10 hours a day. You know what I mean? I think people are thinking about like the time you're in a van with other people and like, oh my God, so long on time.Brad Crowell  Yeah. Or they're imagining Chevy Chase is, you know, like family vacations (Lesley: Yes) something like that.Lesley Logan  Yes. So because it is 2022. And it's been, you know, the 20 the 2000s for quite some time. There's lots of ways you can like we are in the van. But we're often listen to different podcasts or different books. (Brad: Yeah) We actually, probably we do the exact same thing that we do now. We have coffee together. We have meals together. But ...Brad Crowell  Yeah. I take long phone calls.Lesley Logan  I hate that so much. But he has to and I won't do them. So it's fine.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I do a lot of like, work with our team. And the phone calls keep me up, like, focused and driving and, you know, helps me stay driving on the road. And like ... (Lesley: It is true, especially at night.) You want my mind to wander.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I love my mind to be able to wander like so when he's driving. He's really on calls. When I'm driving, I am listening often to books that I want to evaluate for being podcast guests, or for being part of the book club for Agency members who want to be in a book club and read business books, or just things that are I'm curious about for my own self development. So I listened to a lot of that, of course, I listened to some my favorite pod. It's also a great time to like reevaluate my pods. So because it's a long drive, what I'll do is I'll like download a bunch of podcasts. I'm thinking of being on the regular, and I'll let them I'll see if I listened to them. Or if I'm like, "No, actually, I'm not into this at all." Because it's like, it can happen in so many consecutive episodes so I can I can get a lot done. So we...Brad Crowell  I mean also too, it's not like we're I mean except for 2020 where we plowed through the drive in ...Lesley Logan  We did it in two and a half days each way.Brad Crowell  Yeah, yeah, it was it was insane. Like two three days to get there but two and a half days to come back. We did the whole drive from Philadelphia till Vegas in 55 hours. (Lesley: Yeah) And so it literally we just did not stop we were driving for like 14 hours a day and then we would sleep and I would drive late and then we would overlap our sleep she would get up at seven and keep driving. I mean, that was that was brutal. Not gonna lie. That one was not my ...Lesley Logan  It wasn't on a fun trip. (Brad: my preference but) We will stop it a lot of like, we'll go oh, "What's that thing?" And what like pullover ...Brad Crowell  Yeah we try to include some spontaneity. We also schedule in like, "Hey dinner with friends we only get to see once a year." Or lunch or stop at a dog park, we try to take the dogs to the dog parks literally every day. (Lesley: Yeah) Just drive around in different dog parks.Lesley Logan  Well, especially because they're like they're literally in the car not doing very much at all. (Brad: Yeah) And so we take and we try to find a dog park and then you'll toss a ball for them and then I'll try to get August to chase me it's not he does not exercise. (Brad: Not so much.) But I'll work out in the dog park so like I'm the one with the kettlebell swings, if you see someone doing a workout in a dog park, Hi, it's me. Somewhere between here and Philly all the way back. But I think like it is correct, I think a lot of people think we're just doing like a natural and put things and we're just like sitting like looking out the window longingly. Like when does Colorado ever end? And is this Kansas? Or is this Colorado? Like, no, we, we there's we're there's still things that we're doing and we're quite creative people. (Brad: Yeah.) So our minds are always producing stuff.Brad Crowell  I love finding like fun little coffee shops and restaurants. So we spend time trying to find new new places to explore.Lesley Logan  So here here's so if you listen to the Rolf Potts episode, you heard how I talked about when we traveled we'll looks like gluten free options. (Brad: Sure.) When we're on the road, searching for oat milk, or gleif gluten free options will absolutely 1,000% help you find a locally owned business. (Brad: Yeah.) Even in these weird places were like, "No way LL did you find that there?" Yeah, I did. We found we found ... (Brad: ... we are in Texas.) No, we found that vegan place in South Carolina. Remember, we were in South Carolina. We were in guests with South Carolina. Remember we're like went to that ... (Brad: Oh yes.) It was, I don't know the name of the town but like I'm not ... I'm not ... and Brad so we're gonna have lunch there. I was like, "No, no way."Brad Crowell  Yeah, it was near outside the ... state park.Lesley Logan  Yeah, we have an incredible and I was like ... (Brad: We found a food truck one time.) A vegan food truck (Brad: Yeah) that was so unbelievable, I was actually sad how far away it was because I would have ordered again. And I was like, "Dude, more food truck somewhere else?" No, they didn't. But so use your like, unique thing you're interested in to find fun things to do a long road trips. We also love to shop at vintage stores.Brad Crowell  Yeah, that's fun, too. (Lesley: And) we try to go like, I think some of the craziest vintage stores we've been at or you know, like thrift shop slash vintage shops where in Texas. (Lesley: Oh yeah.) Like crazy stuff. You know like, "Wow, like how long has it been since anyone has picked this up and dusted it off?" Like ...Lesley Logan  Yeah, there's some funny things there. I also got like, shout out to downtown Tucson. (Brad: Yeah that's fun.) You have some cool ass shit. I've really loved it.Brad Crowell  There's like, there's no... there's like one street of cute funky like local (Lesley: Yeah) and all the things ...Lesley Logan  Yeah, there's (Brad: shops. Yeah.) Anyways, we are not, don't cry for us.Brad Crowell  Oh another thing we love to do is national parks.Lesley Logan  We do love a national park. (Brad: Yeah) We really really do.Brad Crowell  This trip we, well, we've already driven through Saguaro National Park in Arizona.Lesley Logan  We did that. It was beautiful. It was beautiful. We don't know which parks we're doing this trip. But I will say so just to go back to your to your question. Thank you for asking it. Trips don't have to be like about the destination. It is that cliche. It's the journey. It really is a journey. Like (Brad: Yeah, has to be.) I remember ...Brad Crowell  7000 miles is a lot of miles.Lesley Logan  Yeah. I I remember more about like, the things we do along the way, then oftentimes the thing we do when we get there best because we're wherever we're going. It's often like if we do the same thing every year sounds like that. But like I really do find it fun to find random coffee shops. And then sometimes we go the same route. So we're like, (Brad: Yeah, yeah.) "Oh, there's that place we can go." (Brad: Oh there's the shop we run at last time.) Yeah, that was so great and so it's it's so fun to do. But don't be afraid to like branch out, get off the beaten path. And then and then it is then when I do let my mind wander. It's not like I've been looking at this field for seven hours are still here, (Brad: Kansas) like fuck (Brad: Nebraska) But I've listened to some amazing books on tape. I mean, like just some really epic ones. If you're wondering what are some great roadtrip books to listen to Educated if you haven't yet listened to that and by Tara Westover. (Brad: Yeah) Amazing. I started with Brad trying to take a nap. And then I had to rewind so he could take it and then we literally wanted to finish the book. And so we were with your family like, oh, they come in in the car with us. We're taking our own car. We're taking our own car. Turn it on. So that one is so uniquely interesting.Brad Crowell  We also do like introspection, like reflection on the year, every drive, every drive and we we talk about like, what can we you know do to better serve our members that are an OPC and an Agency.Lesley Logan  We talked about a lot of ideas, we get rid a lot of ideas. (Brad: Yeah) We debate about ideas. Like, you'd be surprised how fast the day goes, even though you're just like sitting around like it really does go fast. So anyways, if you need roadtrip books, I'm ha... reached out to the @be_it_pod. We'll put it in another solo episode, but ...Brad Crowell  And go listen to Rolf Potts (Lesley: Yes) episode, which was actually very recently it was (Lesley: very recently at the time ...) episode 151.Lesley Logan  Yeah, yeah. So go listen to that. And then, you know, if you are driving to your destination, try not to like drive. "Uhh i have to drive." What can be fun about the drive? And try to find something like, I remember one of the drives we're gonna do, we're gonna stop at a crystal place, like a ground where you could like dig up your own crystals. (Brad: Oh yeah) You know what I mean? Like, or, like find something fun along the way. I don't care if it's like the biggest haystack or the biggest corn maze I would never do that. But like nothing would give me more anxiety than being in one of those. But um, but try to like find something unique along the way, the internet is amazing y'all you can literally put in like things that no one would think to do in X place and they'll somebody from like eatery or you know, whatever, weird, whatever we are ...(Brad: the greatest) the greatest. I mean, like I Googled today, like, best Thanksgiving dinners in Las Vegas, and like I got 17 restaurants to choose from. So like, believe it or not, someone's probably curated something for you to do just look it up.Brad Crowell  Love it. Okay, now let's talk about Heather Monahan. When her retiring boss's daughter fired her. Heather Monahan began to bet on herself. In the past five years, she has become a best selling author, two times over. The podcast host of Creating Confidence, and was awarded the top 50 keynote speaker of 2022. (Lesley: That's huge.) Yeah, that's pretty crazy. And in 2020, she was top 40 keynote speaker. She does all of this while being an incredible single mom, to her son, and working to empower individuals to use their strengths to achieve success.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I I really, I really enjoy like what she's doing in this world. And I think it's, it's necessary and how cool that she had this career her whole life. And that's one area that she was a top dog in that, like she really was. And then because she was fired, and she couldn't just like, go get the same job somewhere else because of like, whatever those those clauses are, she had to bet on herself. And it allowed her to (Brad: Yeah) like completely switch (Brad: She is a non compete.) Yes, thank you. That's the exact word for it. She was able to like, just try out something completely different and new. And now she's a tough speaker. She's traveling the world. She was on the Dr. Phil show. You know what I mean? Like ... like, come on. So y'all literally like, if you know someone in your life who has been fired, and you probably like, "Oh my God, I can't let that happen that." Like we hear about our parents all the time all the time, like, "Oh, so one so got fired, so and so got laid off." I feel so bad for them. It's the what if it's the best fucking thing that ever happened for their life? (Brad: Yeah) What if it is? It probably is, I mean, we can go back to the last episode, last recap. Your divorce, ... clearly was the best thing that ever happened to you. You wouldn't met me, you would never marry me if you hadn't been through that. So like, I think we all have to, like, take a moment on and when we see someone having a worst experience, like, obviously see them and feel that but then also be there to like, remind them that they're gonna like, they can bet on themselves, just like she did. So one of the things that she I'm going to pre phrase what she said, atually. She said, you don't have to know the entire plan before trying something new. Yeah, that's right. Just keep moving forward with the faith that you'll figure it out because you don't know what you don't know. (Brad: Yeah) And ultimately, you can't connect the dots until you're looking back. So you have to keep moving forward. You know, y'allBrad Crowell  Yeah. So I think I think that the idea of you don't know what you don't know. You know, and then that really the it's the reflection on the past that allows you to decide like, you know, you can start to say, "Oh, I'm glad I did this. I'm glad I did that. I'm glad this." You won't know that until you do it.Lesley Logan  Well and correct. And you try it out and also like you might not realize what'd you do know? Like you don't know what you don't know. It doesn't have to be like it's not a bad thing. Like, you might not realize you have this like skill or talent like the other day when I like pick up the chopsticks my right hand. I was actually really amazing at it. I didn't know that. (Brad: You did?) Yeah, you were there.Brad Crowell  Oh, I didn't realize it was your right hand.Lesley Logan  Yeah. I was like ... look at me pick up this carpaccio with these with my right hand. I'm lucky to y'all. And I actually like treat chopsticks like, like a fork. So anyways, I think that that whole section that was just talking about is like such a key, a key thing to remind yourself and you haven't seen the episode yet, save it, you can go back to that. Because on your worst day can feel like this is the worst that ever happened to me, it truly can't be the best if you just keep taking the next step forward. And, and trusting that it's okay if you don't know the entire plan. Like when we're coaching people in Agency, like I keep feeling like I take two steps forward. And then one step back. And I'm like, yeah, what if it was to review the dots, so you can take the next few steps forward in the right direction?Brad Crowell  Yeah. I think there was another section a part of this year, though, that I thought was interesting was, you know, to move forward with the faith, that you're going to be serving yourself well. Because you will figure it out as you go along. You know, but the idea that you clearly don't know the future, you know, and unless someone has predetermined the path for you, and like shared your career plan, sometimes that might happen, but usually not. You know, what, as you move forward, if you know where you want to get to, along the way, you don't know how will happen to get there. But you know, you kind of have this big future vision down the road. And when you move forward, it's with the intention of getting to that end game, you know, just the bet... in between, you don't really you don't have any idea what's going to happen. SoLesley Logan  Yeah. And that's okay. (Brad: Yeah) It's, it's actually kind of fun, it's going back to our road trip, like, we know, we're gonna get to Philly. We know we have stops along the way. We don't know which stores we might stop at, or what people we might run into or like, what could happen. And that's what makes it the most fun. That's why we keep doing it. (Brad: Yeah) What did you love?Brad Crowell  I really loved when she talked about confidence and that it ebbs and flows. And I thought that was interesting, because, you know, obviously, her podcast is about confidence, her first book is about confidence. And you just associate confidence with certain people. And you never imagined that there, you just think, "Oh, that person is confident." So they're clearly always confident 100% of the time. And she said, "No, that's not that's not how it works." you know. For her specifically, she said she felt super confident in her work in her career, she had spent 20 years climbing, you know, the corporate ladder in the world of radio doing sales. And but she said she didn't feel so confident in her relationships. You know, that afterwards, she could, you know, quit and land on her feet. So there was like, a lot of uncertainty there. And she said, there's not nobody is confident in all situations, there's always self doubt, that self doubt is actually part of the growth process.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I think I think it's just being aware of where you feel less confident in your life is more important than were like going, "I'm not confidnent in that." It's like, just the going like thinking about Lena Franklin. Awareness is actually part of enlightenment. And so if you can understand like, "Oh, I'm super confident at work. I'm not confident at relationships." Okay. So you're less confident in relationships. And that means that there's room for growth. You know, what I mean? I feel I feel like it's really easy for us to put a label on ourselves especially around confidence and then therefore we're just not confident there. So we don't work on that there but it's like if you can have that awareness and be okay with your confidence ebbing and flowing, a) you'll be a real human being, people actually like you just like people like Heather she is like the queen of these things. And she's an all this stuff and like she's a likable person. You know, people want to be friends with her, people want to have her around on the things, because she actually is a real human being who is okay with her confidence ebbing and flowing. And understand that some areas she feels stronger than others. And then you ...Brad Crowell  Lena's episode was 77, by the way.Lesley Logan  77. Oh, what it like that's like a good number for her. Like so anyway, I really enjoyed both of our whole conversation. I thought there's a lot that we can take away from it.Brad Crowell  Yeah, yeah. And I think that, you know, in in my my personal experience, you know, having been on stage. Confidence was something that was built. (Lesley: I think confident) And definitely I wasn't confident the first time I got on stage.Lesley Logan  And so then what you got on stage again? (Brad: Yeah) You got on stage again? (Brad: Yeah) And like we ...Brad Crowell  Because I saw myself being a performer. I was like, "I am that person." And in order for me to get to that place where I am that person, I gotta practice, I gotta do it.Lesley Logan  Right. If you are a person who is onstage performing, then you have to get on stages and perform. (Brad: Yeah) Like, like, we were just listening on the other day. (Brad: I was just thinking about this.) So we're listening to Chelsea Handler, (Brad: Yeah) and she gives advice. We also listen to Iliza Shlesinger and just in case you're listening because I want you on the show. Hi, I love I love I love listening to the questions I get. I love the ... I really resonate with a lot of their answers. But there was a woman, a person who wanted to become a comedian. (Brad: Yes) And in ...Brad Crowell  ... she already was a comedian. (Lesley: She already a comedian.) But she had an upcoming gig and she was worried about she was opening for someone and she was like, "How do I gain confidence in this?"Lesley Logan  Yeah, because where they live, there's like one Comedy Club and like, "I've got two weeks to get my confidence up." (Brad: Right.) And Chelsea was like, okay, well, normally, I'd say like, go get on every stage, you can. But there's one stage to be on, and you're about to be on it. So you need to go to the grocery store and the park and just do your set in front of people. It's like ...Brad Crowell  Yeah. She said, "Do it, do, do your set in front of your parents."Lesley Logan  Do you ... Yeah. Do you set likeBrad Crowell  And she said, "Well, I don't think they'll appreciate my humor." And the response was perfect. All the more reason you should do it in front of your parents.Lesley Logan  Yeah, yeah. Cuz that will create confidence, because you'll have done in front of people who don't appreciate it and like, so the reality is, is that confidence comes from putting yourself in a situation where you feel less confident. And then following through with the thing that you said you were going to do. (Brad: Yeah) End of story if (Brad: Yeah) you don't feel like you're a runner, you have to go, you have to say, "I'm gonna go for a run for one block." And then you run one block. And guess what, you just dropped money in your confidence bucket of running, and I'm a runner. And so yeah, you didn't run your marathon. But we're not working to that confidence, yet. We're just actually trying to show up for the thing we said we're gonna do and do the thing.Brad Crowell  And even even with this ebbing and flowing that she was talking about, nobody's confident in all situations. I had been on stage for 10 years, when I got invited to a birthday party of a dear friend of mine, and I decided to write a song and perform it on stage, but solo. (Lesley: Oh) And my whole career had been with the band. And in the band, I wasn't singing. I mean, I was singing, but it wasn't the lead person. I was like, second, and that was, you know, that was fine. I, but I had been on stage like, put me on stage with a group of people anytime. And I'm like, "I'm in. It's totally okay." But put me on stage alone. And I was like, whoa. And I was like, really feeling that one. I was not confident.Lesley Logan  You know what, that's so funny. Because remember when we were at Momentum Fest, and it was a first year of Momentum Fest, and I had like 80 plus people in this room. And it was pre pandemic. So it was like, had a break from teaching and all. And there's like my peers in the front row. And there's people like who hire me for things in the front row. And then there's all these people who were so excited to be in that room. And you were miking me up and I was like, "Is this thing on?" You're like, "No." And I said, "I'm really, like, I'm really nervous." (Brad: Yeah) And he's like you said, "Why? What is, this is what you do all the time." And it's so funny. I think sometimes we forget that we we put a lot of pressure on ourselves, which then makes us doubt ourselves, even in situations where we would normally be confident. And (Brad: Sure) so I think if you're finding your competence ebbing and flowing in areas where you normally are confident, it's just time to take a look back and it probably means you really care about that particular moment. (Brad: Right) And then look back at the wins you've had in other moments like it and you can draw on that confidence.Brad Crowell  It goes back to your favorite takeaway, where ultimately you can't connect the dots until you're looking back.Lesley Logan  I know I just connected a bunch.Brad Crowell  Yeah. I love it. All right, so finally, let's talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Heather Monahan?Lesley Logan  Well, she had a three step process and it's from her recent book, so you all go get Overcome Your Villains. Especially if you like, feel like you have a villain in your life. You gotta you gotta read this book. And it's called B A K.Brad Crowell  Yeah, she called it BAK.Lesley Logan  Yeah, BAK. So it is. Number one, what is your belief? Oh, did we talk about beliefs last week. We did. Sorry, you don't get to get over this. What is your belief? Number two, immediately take action. So for example, when she was fired, she immediately posted on social media," I've just been fired."Brad Crowell  Yeah. And then let's do all three. So what is your belief, immediately take action and then what is the knowledge you surround yourself with is number three.Lesley Logan  Okay. (Brad: Yeah) So you got all three everyone, what is your belief? Immediately take action. And then what is your knowledge? So belief, action, knowledge. Okay, so she had been fired. And and so going, "Oh I've been fired. Nobody likes me. What am I gonna do?" She actually was like, "Hey, everyone, if I've ever helped you in any way, I need to hear from you now."Brad Crowell  She posted that on social media, "Hi, I've been fired," period. Wow, that takes guts, right. Like that talk about confidence right there. And like just taking action. Because if I've ever helped you in any way, I need to hear from you now, when she when she posted that someone that she had helped, reached out to her and invited her to go on the Elvis Duran show. And that changed her life.Lesley Logan  Change her life. And also like, can we just go back to betting on yourself? So be it till you see it like she bet on herself. She didn't know what's going to happen. But she acted as if like, I'm gonna bet on myself. And if I bet on myself, I'm gonna put this thing out there that I'm only going to get great things. And something good is going to come from this, like, you know what I mean? Like, I love that. So then and then what knowledge can you surround yourself with? So don't just consume information from randos. We've talked about this before y'all on the podcast. Don't ask your your Uncle Joe, information, like advice around something that they're not knowledgeable in. (Brad: Right) And, and I've even mentioned this on one of the podcasts like, make sure you're really clear on whose opinions of you matter. Because in our family, we love them so much. And many of them listening to this, hi guys. But some people like it's not that I don't care about what they have to say about me, but they don't actually understand what we do want on a day to day basis. And so some of the things that they say, come from fear and worry (Brad: Yeah) around us. It's not, it's not that they don't actually want us to succeed. It's not about holding us back, but they're worried for us. So then they share that fear. And then (Brad: Right and that) it's knowledge I didn't need right now. You know.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I mean, I think also it's like, you know, you, you know, why would you ask a golfer about to running on a track? You know, why would you ask someone who's had a, you know, job for their whole career about being an entrepreneur, like, you know, it's, it seems obvious when you say it that way, like you're like, well, duh, wouldn't, they're not a professional swimmer. And I'm trying to be in the Olympics.Lesley Logan  But you do it all the time. (Brad: But we do it all the time.) You have that friend that you've kept too long. You kept them way too long. Ladies, we keep our friends too long. I don't understand that. And then they say something. And then if you really took a step back, you go, "I know they always say mean things to me." Then why are you like actually using their opinion to weigh in on the things that you're doing? I'm asking, it's not a rhetorical question. You need to answer out loud. I can't hear you. But you can hear you. Because it all has an impact on your life.Brad Crowell  Yeah, totally does. So anyway, the three step BAK process, beliefs, action, and knowledge. What is your belief, take immediate action and then three was the knowledge that you surround yourself with. I thought those made a whole lot of sense.Lesley Logan  Oh, easily, easily actionable (Brad: Yeah) actions. You know how I love that. So you guys get her books. (Brad: Yeah, check those out.) And listen to her podcast.Brad Crowell  And thanks for joining us today.Lesley Logan  Yeah, really. We are so happy that you're here. (Brad: Yeah) And thank you all. Y'all know, we have some of the most reviews of any podcasts in our age, (Brad: Yeah) not our age, like personally, but the age of the podcast. Like it's insane. So we couldn't have done that without you ...Brad Crowell  No ... You know, we need each and every one of you. Thank you.Lesley Logan  And thank you for sharing this with your friends. I know sometimes we were like, I actually heard you say, tag a friend. How do I do that? That's a great question. So if you don't know how to tag a friend and you want to know how to tag a friend, will you DM me on the platform you're trying to tag a friend? What does that mean? It means like, letting that person know that this is for them. (Brad: DM means direct message.) And DM means direct message. So if you will find the Be It pod on the platform, you like to use that's Facebook (Brad: Oh, actually we ...) TikTok or Instagram.Brad Crowell  We set up an email, you can email us now (Lesley: Oh) at beit@bloompods.netLesley Logan  Check that out, (Brad: Yeah) beit@bloompods.net. So so tell us which platform you are wanting to share or tag a friend. And also tell us which platform you listen to your podcasts on. Is it YouTube? Is it Spotify? Is it Amazon, but Amazon, yeah you can listen to Amazon. Is it Apple? Is it Google Play? Is it 17 other options out there? There's so many we're on every single thing. But if you do that we have someone who will help you, literally tell you how to do it. 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Who told you couldn't do the thing you want? Who shaped your belief about money, faith, and relationships? This episode is a deep dive into helping you rediscover the why behind what you believe and the encouragement to become the person you want in this life. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How do you plan for the next year?Decide what you don't want in the new year to lead what you do wantStarts acting as if you already are the person you want to beThe impact of the vulnerability in conversations You never have to go through your struggle aloneHow to ask better questions with intention The separation of Depression and AnxietyWhy you need to be clear on why you believe what you believe.New Year, New You is a lie. Episode References/Links:Join us on Tour!Get on the Cambodia Waitlist!Elevate mentorship Program If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyUse this link to get your Toe Sox!ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Brad Crowell   Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan  Welcome back to the interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to talk about the emotionally available convo I had with Jeremy and Zach in the last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that one, pause this now, go back and listen to that one, or listen to this one and then listen to that one. I mean, honestly, I think you could do either order on all of our episodes. I also know from the download that some of you just do the recap. So I feel like everyone's on the got a lot of people who enjoy the short version.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I mean, it's, it was a good recap. Those guys seem pretty cool. I'm a big Star Wars fan myself, so maybe we'll be hanging out and doing Star Wars talking someday.Lesley Logan  I feel like whenever I interview any men, they bring up Star Wars. I think there's very few interviews with men that have not brought up Star Wars. (Brad: Many men) So maybe (Brad: wish death upon me) like, like maybe Michael is the only one. (Brad: Yeah, right.) So anyways, yeah, I thought they were really amazing. And it was a really neat conversation to have and there's some very awesome BE IT action items that we get to talk about. But I just want to say it's so nice to be back from Dallas on this like really short opportunity to be in our house together. That's been a crazy, like we were we were talking about this in Arizona, or maybe it was in Cambodia. But how since end of August, we really haven't been home for a full two weeks ever.Brad Crowell  You have clearly stated find the fact that you can remember where we were when we were talking about this.Lesley Logan  No. And then also when we were home, there are people here at the home. So like, right now we have like, seven, six days together in our home for the first time since (Brad: In a long time.) August. I don't think we've had six days in our home (Brad: Oh really) together without anyone in our home. No. Five is the longest. (Brad: Wow.) Yeah. And that was between photoshoots and we had to go. Anyways, so I just got back from an amazing time in Dallas with Erika Quest. She is just I mean, she's a fucking amazing person, one of my best friends. And we have now made this an annual trip to teach in Dallas and we're actually going right back there, Brad and I exactly to where I just Pilates for our tour.Brad Crowell  I was feeling left out. So (Lesley: Yeah, well you know ...) you know I felt like crash the party and actually just take over and do it on my own.Lesley Logan  Our Pilates lovers there were missing Brad and specifically also a workout. So we are going on tour and our first stop is in Frisco and ... (Brad: Frisco) If there are any spots left in any of our classes that are tour, you can find them at onlinepilatesclasses.com/tourBrad Crowell  Yeah, we'll be doing two in Frisco and then Houston the next day.Lesley Logan  Houston and then we head to Nashville. Hi Lauren Zoeller. And we've got a bunch of fan favorite people in Nashville. And then we are going to Atlanta to Joel studio. Just actually outside of Atlanta, it's called Duluth. Don't complain about the drive. If you live in Atlanta, you can do this. And then we go to Greensboro, which is like (Brad: North Carolina) hey, first time doing that. (Brad: Yeah it was first.) And then we're going to do a little Christmas time. Then in Cleveland, then in St. Louis. And then we are home in time for New Year's for our ...Brad Crowell  But we will be stopping through Denver for lunch. So (Lesley: Yeah, Denver keeps ...) on the way home at post Xmas we'll be fooding in in Denver.Lesley Logan  We'll be fooding in in Denver for lunch. (Brad: Yeah) We're gonna pick a spot where maybe this spot we went to last year where people could just find food anywhere, that (Brad: It was perfect actually.) was pretty great. So (Brad: Yeah) we'll figure out whatever the place that was. But if you are in Denver, and you want to be on that invite list, we'll just watch out for emails and stuff. You want to go on the tour, go to onlinepilatesclasses.com/tour. Also a couple things if you'd like hanging out with us, we have actually announced our presale for the Cambodia retreat next year. Remember, we're only doing one and we let our waitlist there's no first so if you were not on the waitlist and you really want to go, well I hope there's a spot for you. I'm sure there will be and if not just DM me and I will help you get that information. So you do not miss out on the opportunity to go to Cambodia with with us because we're only going one time next year. (Brad: Yeah) So there's that. And then finally, I'm so excited about this. You probably haven't heard me talk about it for a while. And that's because honestly, it keeps selling out. So, I haven't even like brought it up. But if you have been following this path for a while you know that I have a mentorship program for Pilates teachers. It's called eLevate, and we decided to do our first round here in 2022. It sold out with amazing, amazing crew. So we did a second round which are sold out. And then the third round, we're actually going to kick off in May, and that of 2023, which I know you're like, "Lesley, it's only December." Yes. But you know, mentorships are a big commitment. And we like to give people a lot of time to plan for them. And it does start in May. And there's only a couple spots. So if you are a Pilates teacher who's wanted to dive into the classical method, more understand how I was taught, become like a more of a master teacher, third generation instructor, things like that, if you're wanting to, like, teach more, but not be burned out, this is the program for you.Brad Crowell  Yeah or even explore classical, (Lesley: Yeah) you know if you're coming from anonclassical foundational training, you know, this is a great opportunity to get into all that too.Lesley Logan  Yeah, so you don't have to be classical to do this, you don't have to be contemporary to do this, you can be either or you just have to have been a teacher already.Brad Crowell  At the time, we're recording this, there are three spots available. But if they are filled full, by the time you hear this will be will will add you to the waitlist for the next round, (Lesley: Yeah) round four. SoLesley Logan  So you'll go to lesleylogan.co/elevate. And I it's one of my passion. I frickin love this group of people. It's just so fun for us. So anyways,Brad Crowell  And you get the join the RAD alumni group.Lesley Logan  I know once you graduate, there is a alumni group. (Brad: Great group of ladies.) And there's like, you know, we're we're secretly behind the scenes planning, like a retreat just for Elevators. And so, (Brad: Yeah) yeah, anyway. Well, it's not a secret that I told you about. You don't know where it is or what's going to happen. So that's the secret. Anyways, (Brad: anyways) do we have an audience question to respond to before we start talk about Fit Mess.Brad Crowell  We do. So we were asked, with all the things that you have going on in your life, in your business and your friends and family. How do you make decisions about the upcoming year? And how do you plan for the next year?Lesley Logan  Yeah, well, that's like, this is a great question.Brad Crowell  Also a very broad question but ...Lesley Logan  It super broad. Well, well, well, this will gonna narrow it in to the Be It Till You See It podcast as the filter. (Brad: Sure) So first of all, very important that you ask yourself this, because if you don't plan for yourself, you were you will be planned. Don't worry. Like, (Brad: Yeah) it's not like (Brad: It happens whether you plan it or not.) Yeah, it's the same thing like when are, when Hilary says if you don't brand yourself, other people will brand you. Like, if you don't make goals. (Brad: Hilary Hartling) Yeah, someone else is gonna go, make goals for you (Brad: Right) like, so it's important that you take time to set aside like what you want in your next year. And if you're like, "I don't know what that is" because some people like to do that. How do you want to feel then, like, what is that look like? So make sure you're setting aside time. I like to journal, draw, go for a walk, think about things like that percolate on it a lot.Brad Crowell  She was on episode 57.Lesley Logan  Yeah. And so I'll let Brad answer how he likes to plan his upcoming year. But first and foremost, I definitely throughout the current year, do retrospection that Kareen Walsh has taught us. She was episode, Brad will tell you in a second, and she has a free resource that you can learn how to do this retrospection. But I do it throughout the year, because I like to know how as the years going, like what I don't want in next year, so that when the new year comes, I'm not like, "I'm doing the thing. I don't want to do anymore." And often what you when you know what you don't want it to let you know what you do want. And then I well before, we're probably actually probably plan the next year around beginning of Q four. Because we have to, and some things that we do happen the same time ish every year. So those things happen on that, like they're already planned. But then the next thing I like to think about and it's hard, this is the hard part, this is why this podcast exists is who do you have to be to have the thing you want to have next year and how can you start acting like it now so it actually happens, hello, be it till you see it.Brad Crowell  Well, let me jump in (Lesley: Yeah) because that that's a perfect segue. I'm in the middle of a book right now called The As If Principle by a guy named Andrew Wise... So Richard Wiseman.Lesley Logan  If you guys know him, can you help me out? Because y'all I have been trying to find this man's information. (Brad: Information) And I want him on the podcast.Brad Crowell  Yeah, totally. Richard Wiseman, and a general summary of the concept is to make decisions as if you already are where you want to be. Right? So if you want to be here's a here's a great example. Let's say you want to run a studio that has a team of 10 instructors. Today, you don't have that, but you know that that's where you're going. So if you were going to set up a studio, how would you set up the studio? You would set it up as if you already had 10 instructors? (Lesley: Yeah) Right. So like, would you have a lot of space for a lockers? Would you have a, you know, like a spot for shoes? And like, you know, what are the expectations? How are they checking in? How are they clocking in as an employee? All these kinds of things, you make these decisions as if they're already in place.Lesley Logan  Yeah. And that doesn't mean you spend the money on the clocking and machine or the lockers yet that might ... (Brad: Yeah, not necessarily.) you hold that you you make sure that you have, you hold the space, and you consider that as you're looking for spaces.Brad Crowell  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, a lot of entrepreneurs will talk about this act as if you are already the seven figure business you want to be. You know, if you are looking to start a family, act as if you already have kids, how would you make a decision? I think, Lesley, (Lesley: Well ...) talked about this before, in your personal life, when you were looking to meet someone and start a relationship, you were acting as if you already had a relationship happening, which was making coffee for two.Lesley Logan  Making coffee for two people. Also making sure that I had evenings or time blocked off that I could not work in case I would go on a date or spend time with that person. (Brad: Sure) And I literally went to New York, my first Christmas being single, so that so that I wouldn't go to my parents house for Christmas, because I was like, "No, I'm going to meet a man who soundly celebrates Christmas and will celebrate Thanksgiving with my family." (Brad: Right) And so I'm not going to go home for Christmas, which really pissed him off. Sorry, guys. But I went to New York and said, and then guess what? We spend Christmas with your family. (Brad: Yeah) So worked out.Brad Crowell  So you know, this concept of acting as if I think it's really cool. I think it's, it's a, I think the hardest part is remembering to do it, to be honest. Because it makes sense to it's very logical. I like it.Lesley Logan  It's because it's easier to do the thing you already been doing and be the person you already are. And because that's, you know that. So I think like, first of all, if you start acting as if and then you revert back to who you once were, it's like, it's okay, because you don't need to be perfect. But also, if you notice that you did that, then you can make a change. Okay, what would I do next time? How can I like, (Brad: Sure) if you set an appointment based on the person you currently are not the person you want to be? Can you cancel the appointment? Can you reschedule the appointment? Can you block your calendar out so that that appointment doesn't exist anymore? You know, there, it's ...Brad Crowell  It's constantly be it till you see it. I think it's like a perfect parallel here. And I mean, it's obviously why we'd love to get ...Lesley Logan  Yeah, so I want it. (Brad: Richard on pod.) So who knows it. (Brad: But um yeah.) But I love this question. I hope that that helps. I feel like it could be a little esoteric, but it's like, think of it ... Sometimes it is easier to think about, you don't want to have happen in your life next year, to figure out what you want to have happen in your life and sometimes easier to figure out how you want to feel in your life next year at the end of it. And then what would be the things that have to happen to make you feel that way? And then finally, who do you have to be to make those things happen? How do you act like that person today? It is a consummate be it till you see it. It's also like, how would Oprah do this? Like sometimes I have like, that's what I have to think. (Brad: How would, what?) Oprah do this. (Brad: Oh, Oprah, Oprah.) Yeah, like, we have a big goal that we want to hit in our business. And I had to make changes in my life, in my routine and in how it worked to make us get closer to that this year. If I want to do it next year, next year. I like up the goal a little bit because you know you have to and because because you need we will I want more. And so it's like okay, well then who do I have to be to that? And sometimes I think Oprah or I, I picture other female business owners who have done things that I want to do but it's not exactly the same, but like it's the it in the most general term, it's the same thing. And then I'm like, "Okay, well, how would how would they do it?" Because they're already there. And I could probably look back at examples of what they did, and then interpret it for myself. So anyways, I love these questions, y'all can send them in to the @be_it_pod on Instagram or you can send it into my team. You can send it anywhere to say this is for the Be It pod, you can also send in your bold moments. It's where you take a BE IT action item.Brad Crowell  Yeah, tell us your bold moments, yell us what's going on for you. We'd love to shout that out.Lesley Logan  Yeah.Brad Crowell  (Brad claps) All right. Hold on. I'm gonna get the dog bed for the dog so she doesn't keep scratching.Holy Cow Gaia surprise. Look. Yeah, good girl. Okay, okay, that's better. All right, so (Brad claps)Okay, now let's talk about Jeremy and Zach from The Fit Mess introduced by through their wives, because I, they said their wives both had daughters at the same time. So (Lesley: Yeah) I'm guessing they met at like, you know, something to do with the kids.Lesley Logan  I know. It's made me, this totally made me think of like you and Eddie and all these friends because it's basically because of Chanda Ashley, myself and a couple other wives that you all got together and expanded and made your own friends.Brad Crowell  Well, Jeremy and Zach formed a quick friendship because of their love of Star Wars. They began to move to have more intentional conversations about their challenges and their struggles, mental, physical and emotional, which led them to the creation of their podcast, The Fit Mess. Zach and Jeremy are on a mission, to share their stories and struggles to empower men to discuss their feelings and emotions and to motivate them to take small steps each week towards a more fulfilling life. And then they also said that a large part of their audience is actually their girlfriends and wives of the men that they're speaking to. But I thought it was really fun to, to connect with them to listen to them talk about their experience.Lesley Logan  You know, I most like, not my football players, but many of the men that I taught in Pilates, I taught them because of their wives. So like, I would teach their wives and their was like, "Husband should be doing this." And I'm like, "Okay, send them in." And, and they would and so it's what I had for a long time, I had more male clients than female clients. Because when you add like the the football players, and then the husbands, I was like, "Well, that's all the intention that I had." But you know what, there are great people that introduce great people. And I think that's what's really cool. So I really, they were talking about, you don't have to go through your thoughts alone, other people in the same place. And you know, it's so this happened when they realized that they were all like, sort of talking around how they were feeling and not really engaging. But when they finally just did, and were just like honest about it, they're like, "Oh, wow, this person feels the same way too." And, you know, I know that they were to my, how, like a lot of men go through this. But if you listen back to the episode, the recent episode with Jessica Valant, when we brought her back, she's like, women are in the school line and they're not talking about how they're really feeling either. They're not talking about what they're really going through either. And so I love that they have a podcast, that they're basically sharing this idea so that other men know you don't have to go through this alone, that you can share your real feelings. But I think in general, what it sounds like is most people are not sharing their authentic feelings with other people in their lives (Brad: Yeah) until it's like this big thing. And like, what if we actually did it throughout the day, throughout the week with the people that we see often?Brad Crowell  Yeah, I think it's, I think that's a good observation. I think that's funny that I didn't actually I listened to it twice. And I didn't actually think about that. But you're right. If if the conversation is about sharing their feelings, genuinely sharing, you're right. The implication is that people don't do that especially men. So I I also thought they kind of had a laugh about their like, you know, oh, yeah the first time we went out to lunch, it was like, I guess we'll talk about cars and sports and stuff that generally, I'm not into, you know, and I was laughing because I was like, "Oh, yeah, okay." I mean, I'm into motorcycles, but I don't really nerd out that much. I couldn't like tell you about some 1965 motorcycle or something. I don't know. You know, so.Lesley Logan  Yeah. I did think of you on that because it's true. Like, I think people have the assumption that that's what men want to talk about. (Brad: Right) Just like they assume women want to talk about these other things like (Brad: Yeah) kids.Brad Crowell  Family, marriage, wedding, wheeLesley Logan  Like no one would actually wants you to ask her about the next wedding date, or when are they gonna have kids? Or if they're gonna have like, no one, you know, one of my friends recently asked me because we're talking about her kid, and she just said, hey, like, it came up in a way that was not actually like, "When are you gonna have kids?" You know what I mean? It was like, "Have you guys thought about that?" I don't know how we would talked about it. And we had an honest conversation around it. But like, I definitely think that people have these like standard questions that they ask people at events, and none of them go deep at all. And it's so (Brad: Right) and that's why no one wants to go to anything. (Brad: small talk) No one wants to have small talk. So what if like one of my Breathwork coaches, she sends out an email every week and it says, "Hey, so and so how are you, really?" And I fucking love that. Because every time I read it, I'm like, "How am I really?" (Brad: How am I really?) You know what I mean? No one's actually asked me that this week. You know, people ask me, "How are you?" But they're expecting, "I'm good." They're, because they're already on to the next sentence. (Brad: Sure) They're not listening. So like, I love that email so much, because it lets me think like, "How am I really?" So, I don't know, I feel I feel like whether it's men or women or even non binary, I feel like we can all do a better job being it till we see it in the conversations that we want to have, asking better questions that actually allow us to, to learn more about the people that we're having a conversation with. You and I are in a Mastermind and there was a couple girls that I've really never like I've I've talked to, but in this group of four, but then we like actually ask different questions. And I'm like, "Oh, my God, how come we've not talked for the whole year? We do the same thing. (Brad: I know) We're going through the same thing?"Brad Crowell  Well, it's it's definitely funny, you know, it's one of those where, I don't know, we, I guess you find yourself in the same group, or the same clique, or the same, you know, conversation over and over and over again. And this time, it was just the the it was very, it was happen instance. We were supposed to go to dinner with a group. And then plans changed, and we shut up the restaurant and then surprise, a whole another group was already there. (Lesley: Yeah) We bumped into them inadvertently, like, who knew.Lesley Logan  Well, this guy is so crazy. So we made a reservation for five. (Brad: Yeah) And five people at six o'clock. And then, like, 20 minutes before, we're supposed to have dinner, three of the five people. So well, two of them weren't gonna come to that because one of them already been in the restaurant. No big deal. We didn't call the change reservation we just showed up. (Brad: Yeah) We walk in. There are three girls from our Mastermind that we had not planned with. They did not have reservation, I'm like, "Great. You're having dinner with us."Brad Crowell  Yeah. And we and we actually, like, you know, of course we know them. But like, we haven't had a chance to hang with them to have like, one on ones and all the things and that was lovely.Lesley Logan  It was so lovely. And like we'll have to figure out how to have some of them on the pod because ...Brad Crowell  Yeah, we definitely went deeper than that's the thing that gave us an opportunity to actually go deeper than casual like, "Hey, cool. How's it going? What do you been up to?" whee next.Lesley Logan  Yeah, well, we got down to like, we knew each other's food allergy. So we're literally at sushi dinner like, "You can have this. I can't have that. You can have." (Brad and Lesley laughs) You know what I mean? (Brad: Yeah that was fun.) Anyways, I just I love that their podcast and their relationship stemmed from this idea that they both had this problem. And they realized that they weren't going through it alone. So they decided to go through it together and be the example of what they want to see in this world. They fucking love that. So what did you love that they said?Brad Crowell  Yeah. Well, so I thought there was something really interesting about the very, very beginning of the pod. They, I can't remember which one actually mentioned, the separation between or the difference maybe, between depression and anxiety, which I mean, obviously, they're different. But what was what was really like, wow, I never thought about it like that before, for me was depression focuses on the past. Anxiety focuses on the future. (Lesley: Yes) And it was very casual. He just kind of threw it in when they were talking about the two things because one of them suffers from depression, the other suffers from anxiety. And they were like, "Oh, yeah, well, he's always lived in the past. And I'm also in the future." And I was like, "Wow, I never thought about that before." (Lesley: Yeah) That's very interesting.Lesley Logan  That's why we've been given today as a gift. It's a present. Right, to be present. Like it's a gift.Brad Crowell  Yeah, there's that. I mean, I ...Lesley Logan  Good luck with being present. But ...Brad Crowell  I've definitely gone through like moments of depression. But I think, for me, consistently through my life has been more anxiety. (Lesley: Yeah) You know, fear of the unknown, fear of failure, you know, fear of the pressure, the pressures of life that, you know, I have to meet these expectations, or, you know, I don't know, pay the bills, even something as mundane as that, you know, and it creates that anxiety where one of my dear friends has suffered from depression. And I've always, I've actually, I've not been able to connect with that nearly as much because it's not something that I struggle with as much. However, listening to them, just throw that one sentences was very revealing for me, oh, wow. Depression, you're focused on the past, anxiety you're focus more on the future. Very interesting.Lesley Logan  Yeah. I think that's interesting. I think some people know that without knowing that and I think some people need to be reminded of that because it can be, it can be hard if you've if you are more one than the other to relate to someone like you just mentioned. But also, if you are with someone who focuses more on the past, asking them questions that just keep taking in the past is not actually that helpful versus like someone who focuses a lot on the future talking about their future. When is your wedding? Are you gonna have kids? (Brad: Right) Are you gonna ... what are you doing that? Like ... Brad Crowell  Oh, this is, (Lesley: you know) very inte... good good observation. Lesley Logan  So this is really funny, because I have some friends who always want to ask things about the future. And like, I love that because obviously be it till you see it like, of course, I must be thinking about the future a lot. But if I live in the future ....Brad Crowell  No, actually be it till you see it is focusing on the present.Lesley Logan  Well, correct. (Brad: Yeah) No, that's the point. But like, you have to know who you want to be in the future to be present in the thing during the be it. Right. (Brad: Yes, yes.) So which I do, but when people like I have a couple of friends who are always asking about the future, "When is this? When is this?" And I'm like, "Oh my God." I just like, "You have no idea what you just put me into these are the things..." Because I can lean (Brad: Sure) anxious, more easily that I can lean depress. I'm not a depress, I don't really. And that's like, sometimes I wonder I'm like, "Is there so much I think about the past little bit more." But like I don't, I like you know, I've moved on, healed from it, dealt with it, decided how I feel about that. I'm good. And so I tend to shy away from people where the questions are all futuristic. (Brad: Interesting) And how are you to do that? What do you do that? What is this going to be? And I'm like, I actually can hear myself try to make the question shorter, or change the subject, because some of those questions can create anxiety, and I'm at a party and now I'm anxious. (Brad: Right) And I'm a high functioning introvert. So I'm already like, "I want to see all of you. I need to go lay down."Brad Crowell  That's a great observation about the questions, you know, and I wonder, like, I wonder, I wonder about the psychology behind that. If it would make more sense to ask future questions to people who are suffering from depression, as opposed to (Lesley: Maybe we'll bring my ...) past questions vice versa, like asking past questions to people who are more prone to anxiety.Lesley Logan  Yeah, so we should have a little like checklist like or a badge. This is my name. And I prefer questions about this. (Brad and Lesley laughs) Like, you know, you have your pronouns and then you have like I lean ... anxious, I lean depressed. (Brad: Right) Please ask me only questions about ...Brad Crowell  Ask me about my future. Ask me about my past.Lesley Logan  Oh, my God. It's like, I think about my Uber profile that I haven't filled out but I want to go like, "I don't want to talk to you."Brad Crowell  Yeah, yeah. But if you have to ask, asked me about my future.Lesley Logan  Yeah. Oh, not me. But yes. So well, maybe we'll have maybe we'll have one of my therapists on. I don't like what my past therapists on to like answer. See if we're on the right track here before.Brad Crowell  Interesting, interesting stuff Physician.Lesley Logan  This is a hypothesis right now, everyone, please don't go like performing an experiment and blaming us. So.Brad Crowell  Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, that's really funny that you say that, because one of the comments that I want to say was Zach hat was my biggest fear is that I will give advice on our podcast that will actually hurt someone.Lesley Logan  Because he's so like, it's so perfectly aligned with his anxiety.Brad Crowell  So, you know, the disclaimer that you just gave that made me laugh. Yeah.Lesley Logan  Well, I think I resonate with him a lot. But I it's true. I'm like, please don't like, you know, go, don't, don't go jump off a cliff. You know what I mean? (Brad: Yeah) Like, like, let's experiment first in a safe place.Brad Crowell  So funny. All right. Okay, now let's talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items, can we take away from your conversation with Jeremy and Zach from The Fit Mess? So I'm gonna hop in real quick they're, they each had one that worth, that they shared that was really, really great. I thought it was, I thought this one was really reflective of my life, and it was question your own beliefs. And this is a tough one, I think, you know, especially if you were raised religious, or had a very opinionated adult, you know, in your life, parent, or teacher. And I know, for example, that had I met you prior to my first marriage, there's not a chance that we ever would have been together.Lesley Logan  Oh, for sure. Don't worry, same thing.Brad Crowell  Yeah. Because I had a very specific conceptualization of right, wrong, rules, life, this is how it should, should not be, all those things.The only reason that that changed was because I had an incredibly traumatic event happen, my divorce. And it caused a massive introspection, like reflection, internal reflection of like, what I do wrong, what could I have done better? I think I've reviewed every fucking conversation that she and I had ever had ever, you know, ever. And I analyzed it and thought about it and like, looked to see, what did I miss? How did I, how did I get to where it was? All this kind of thing. And there was so many instances of me deciding I wasn't happy with myself in the situations that she and I had gone through that forced me to look at me. And that was like a unique moment in my life. I don't know that I would have changed or reviewed or questioned my own beliefs. Have I not gone through this emotionally devastating event. Otherwise, I probably would have just, you know, kept on, keeping on. And I would have been the same person that I was. And my life wouldn't be anything like it is today.Lesley Logan  That's true. Well, (Brad: That's true.) I actually really loved when they said that. Because I think people say that, like you should question like, you know, because thoughts become facts, and then facts become me think let me know if you believe it. And like, we think we know, on certain levels, we hear that. But like, have you ever actually written down what you believe? And have you ever there's like thought about like, do you know why you believe that? I'm not saying what you believe as you're listening is wrong, or that should be like, like ...Brad Crowell  I think that's key to clarify.Lesley Logan  Yeah, cuz I actually don't, I think a lot of people most of their beliefs have good intentions. But I do think ...Brad Crowell  Well, I mean, I don't even know if they have intentions or not. (Lesley: Yeah, well, that's ...) It just their belief. (Lesley: Yeah.) Why do you believe what you believe?Lesley Logan  And so not to like, look at your beliefs and go all these are wrong? These ... your beliefs are not wrong, inherently. But do you know why you believe them? And is that belief aligned with who you want to be in this world? (Brad: Yeah) And who you who you want people to think you are in this world? And so I know ...Brad Crowell  And past who, you know, it's also about yourself, like, are you comfortable with those? And why why I think that the asking, why do you believe what you believe? And (Lesley: Oh yeah) actually going back and, like, do you believe what you believe? Because that's what you were told, you read in a book because of personal experience. I mean, there's like only a few options of why you believe what you believe.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I mean, like, think about what you about how you feel about money, your beliefs around that. Who told you that? Your beliefs around yourself, who said that? (Brad: Yeah) Um, your beliefs about other people and how, what their intentions are to other people? Who told you that? Because you grow when you are born, you don't have beliefs. (Brad: Right. You don't.) You are, you know, you want to eat, sleep and pee. Like that's what like that's what your whole intentions are. You know, and then they are passed along and like ...Brad Crowell  They are learned from somewhere.Lesley Logan  They're learn... and I have to say, like, I I don't know how some some of the beliefs that my family had. I thought I didn't believe but like my actions were otherwise when, especially when it came around money, but certain beliefs that like I remember certain family members having around types of people and kinds of people and things like that. I really disagreed with, but and I had to like ask myself was what I, why was, why was I in conflict with that? And what is going on there? And like how do I how do I feel about that? And I think as we get as adults, especially as like everyday, it's feels like the world is burning down. It is challenging your beliefs. (Brad: Yeah) Now, if your reaction is instant, like oh, whatever, that's okay. If you have taken the time to ask yourself why you believe that way, and why you're reacting that way in the moment.Brad Crowell  Yeah. And I think right now, what we're what I'm envisioning in my mind is, you know, very foundational beliefs like religion and, you know, society, you know, other rising people and all that. However, it can be, it doesn't have to be quite as foundational as that. Although this is foundational, not the minimalize it. But I again, I think it was Zach's example was he was overweight as a kid. And so he was always told, you know, you're not good enough. You're the fat kid. And now he's 43. And he's not, you know, overweight anymore. But he still sees himself as that. He's still in, like ...Lesley Logan  That's a complicated, that's it ... That's a complicated belief, because it's, his, his, his thoughts, his beliefs are because what people told him ...Brad Crowell  Yeah, yeah. And when he was talking about this, he was saying, you know, why do I believe that? You know, and like, what, like, where did that come from? And is that something that I should still be holding on to?Lesley Logan  And for the record, overweight or not? No one gets to tell you, you're not good enough. You are good enough by being a fucking human being like, (Brad: Yeah) it doesn't actually matter what the scale says, like, you are good enough. (Brad: Yeah) And I think like ...Brad Crowell  So it's interesting, because, you know, I guess what I was saying was the pe... you know, like, the beliefs that I was challenging were beliefs that that I learned, people were sowing into me with the intention of good, whereas the beliefs that he was, has, has (Lesley: Yeah) learned and embrace were sown into him with the intention of hurt and negative and bad. Either situation you're still embracing beliefs, and why are you doing that? And on should you be.Lesley Logan  Yeah. This is, y'all that's a tough, that's a heavy BE IT action item. And and we gotta just stop there. But we have one more. (Brad: We do.) So good luck with that one, I think it's important to do it around the holidays, specifically, before you hang out with your family. (Brad: Yeah) Because you're going to hang out with your family and you need to, you need to be like really apparent, like, you need to do something really quick. You're going to have conflict with them, whether you say it out loud, or in your head, if you are clear on why you believe what you believe, you will have less anxiety, depression, frustration, like inner turmoil, because you will be found, you will be like, this is this is what I believe. And that's, and they believe that but like, I don't have to believe that.Brad Crowell  Right. You'll be secure in your beliefs.Lesley Logan  In the early part of this year, I, there was a situation that happened. And I called my therapist and I was like, "This happened. I can't believe I did this ... I thought I was over this." And she said, "It's actually okay, you got angry about that. What's not okay is that you got mad at yourself for being angry about that. Like, it's not okay that you judged yourself." That's where the work is. And so, if you do this BE IT action item homework, and you have a moment when you want to punch a pillow at your parents house at Christmas time, that is okay. (Brad: Yeah) Don't get mad at yourself. Don't punch them and don't get and also don't judge yourself.Brad Crowell  Don't touch them and don't judge yourself for getting angry. It's okay to get angry. That's normal. That's life as humanity.Lesley Logan  You are, you're supposed to feel your feelings. (Brad: Yeah) And it is part of the process. Just because you have done the work to figure out what your beliefs are. And then you go and put yourself in a situation where you're frustrated by other people's beliefs because you're like how can you believe that. I love this person and they believe that I don't believe. It is okay to be upset at that. It's not okay to get upset at yourself for being upset that because you're a human being who is in process and you will eventually get to a place where like you can let that go because you know that you're doing the work in other places where it makes a difference. (Brad: Yeah) Anyways, my favorite action item after that heavy one which I don't think that was our attention. But I'm just thinking about the person listening to this and I'm and not time of the year that they're listening to they're like, a lot, guys (Brad: Yeah) Good luck, let me know how it goes. One of, they said, Jeremy said, when, when you when you want to see change in your life, it's more than just a desire, it is a decision. And so you have to see and believe that you are the person that can be and want to be that. So his example was he wanted to be a bike guy. So he didn't just think I want to be a bike guy, someday I'll be a bike guy, and like, look at bikers and go, I want to be a bike guy. I think there was like a cycle, actually versus like a motorcycle. But ...Brad Crowell  Yeah, bicycle. Lesley Logan  So instead of just like wanting to be a bike guy, and someday being a bike guy, he like, rode his bike to work. So guess what? He made the decision. I want to see this change. I want to be this person. I'm going to do this thing to do to have that thing in my life. And I ...Brad Crowell  Yeah, he took took action on it. But also, before even he took action on it, he was specifically he was like, "Oh, it'd be cool if I was the bike guy." And then he's like, "No, it needs to be more than that." It was, I am the bike guy. I am, I'm the guy. I'm the guy who gets up at five in the morning, and gets the, you know, bike, you know, uniform on and rides, you know, 10 miles to get to wherever he's (Lesley: Yeah) going, you know, "I am that guy." And he and he, like, he (Lesley: Yeah) made that decision before he even took that action.Lesley Logan  Which goes back to the question we answered today, which is like, if you are that person who has these goals achieved at the next year, then what like what does that person do? That person puts on that? I think it's like a singlet. That person you know buys these things, that person like has the fancy backpack that has all the things in it, like that you make decisions based on that person. And then you do the, then the actions follow and boom, you are that bike guy. (Brad: Yeah) And so I hope that like especially now everything that's going on if there are changes you want to make in your life, make the decision to have the change happen now and then allow yourself to take action based on as if that change has happened before you seen the results of that change happening and that's what makes the result.Brad Crowell  I think we're talking about New Year's resolutions right now. (Lesley: No, we don't do resolutions ...) I'm aware (Lesley: We do ...) but my point is the process of making change.Lesley Logan  Well, because we we are we be it till we see it, we take messy action and we are we are not making resolutions because of who we want to be next year is just like getting like the up, the new update on the iPhone. There's a new update. Okay, you know, download, implement let's go like all of a sudden your phone has new things it can do because it's like oh like like for example what is ours like a 13 plus or whatever. So but it has the operating system of something something point something, my phone isn't go, "I'm a 13 plus." It goes. "No I'm operating with this system." Like it doesn't doesn't go, "Sorry guys can't upgrade to that." Like you know what I mean? Like it just goes, "Now I have these capabilities," boom. So that's to me ...Brad Crowell  You're speaking my tech language here, Babe.Lesley Logan  I, thank goodness because I was really just like riffing that. You know me, I don't know anything about my tech but I have I wrote that blog years ago with Clare Solly, my slingshot friend. And I wrote like you're there's no such thing as like a new year, new you. It's just the upgraded version of yourself based on the experiences that you have, and the decisions that you've made. (Brad: Yeah) The changes that you do, to be the person you want to be. Boom. I think you're awesome. Thank you so much for listening. I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell  And, I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan  How you use these in your life? What are you gonna do? Which one are you going to take action on right now? Which when you take action on the future? We want to know. And so what you need to do is share this with a friend, tag the @be_it_pod and tag The Fit Mess so they can see what actions you're taking and until next time, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell  Bye for now.Lesley Logan  Be It Till You See It is a production of Bloom Podcast Network. Brad Crowell   It's written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan. And me Brad Crowell. Our associate producer is Amanda Frattarelli. Lesley Logan   Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing. Brad Crowell  Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianranco Cioffi. Lesley Logan   Special thanks to our designer Mesh Herico for creating all of our visuals, (which you can't see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all the video each week, so you can.Brad Crowell  And to Angelina Herico for transcribing each episode, so you can find it on our website. 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Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Lesley and Brad are going on tour! Astrology signs don't define your behaviors.The perception of astrology in society.The difference between Feng Shui and astrologyHow the energies and stars can make senseWhat in your life are you becoming desensitized to? Episode References/Links:Join Brad and LL on tourThe Source Book by Dr. Tara SwartKate Wind WebsiteMom & Me Astrology Podcast  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyUse this link to get your Toe Sox!ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the cosmic convo I have with Kate Wind in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now, go back and then listen to that one and then come back and join us. Okay, I really loved this interview. I just have to say this before we get into anything else because I was like, I really want to have her on but I don't want her, I don't want it to be like to woo and people like freak out. But like, I really felt like it. It made a lot of sense. If you haven't listened to it, you should like listen to it. Because it's a it's a precursor. It's definitely like, a pre 101 you know, and (Brad: Yeah) it makes me feel like I understand a few things. I started listening to her podcast with her mom. And yeah, I feel like I actually know some of the words. I'm still learning things. And it's all very interesting. It's all very fun. So anyways, Brad just got back from Philly. And he was visiting his grandfather and family for the holidays. I don't even know the last time I spent Thanksgiving with them, Babe, but you got to spend Thanksgiving with them.Brad Crowell  Yeah, before we go on there, I had a comment about the conversation as well. You know, I'm I've never been a big fan of astronomy. Just kidding. Astronomy is the study of the stars. Astrology has always been weird. I always thought it was like, I don't know, just kind of that thing that you read in the newspaper that tells you that the world's coming to an end every single week. And I didn't know anything about Feng Shui either. And this was a really enlightening conversation for me because I I learned some of the concepts behind what astrology you know is and why there are charts and all this stuff. And I thought it was interesting to hear that the idea that it's like, I mean, she's got a psychology degree. (Lesley: Yeah) Right. It's this isn't like she just like read a couple books and became like a fairy who reads a crystal ball. Because in my head that's what other movies are with this kind of thing. The conversation wasn't like that at all it was it was really grounded. I thought so. I really enjoyed that. (Lesley: Good. Well ...) Anyway, my my my trip back home was really good. My grandfather is getting old and I really wanted to spend some time with him when it was possible to do that. So taking two weeks out of our crazy life was really important to me.Lesley Logan  Yeah, and you know, we don't really do a lot for Thanksgiving around here anyway, so I think it was really good that you got to spend Thanksgiving. I'm not gonna be, I'm be really honest like because Claire came to visit me and that was so exciting. But I like nothing brought me more joy then going, "I don't have to cook any thing."Brad Crowell  Except for bacon.Lesley Logan  I'm not even do it. I didn't even do that. I'm like I ordered in. I got to be by myself until my family like I mean like it was glorious. I love it. Um I am also on my way to Dallas (Brad: Oh yeah.) for it's coming becoming an annual event. (Brad: Yeah) Erika Quest and I are doing a WeLL weekend, well it's our second WeLL weekend. But it's definitely ...Brad Crowell  You've been down there three times but (Lesley: Yeah) this is the second, (Lesley: Yeah, this is ...) December.Lesley Logan  With Erika Quest. (Brad: Yeah) And it's just, it's gonna be a lot of fun. I really enjoyed working with her, we're gonna do things like that, if you don't know who Erika Quest is, you gonna listen to her episode. It's probably in the teens. And, and when we come back, we quickly get ourselves situated, close the house up for the winter and hit the road (Brad: Yeah) where it's our first stop being in Dallas. Well, one of the first class we're gonna do, so I'll be back in Dallas teaching some workouts, and then Houston and then we're going to spend a night in Memphis and then a day in Nashville, sometime in Atlanta with our friend Joel. Well, actually be in Nashville with our friend Lauren Zoeller. You've heard her episode. (Brad: Yes ...) And it's me so much fun ...Brad Crowell  It's gonna be an incredible tour. (Lesley: Yeah. And the Greensboro.) Yeah, we're gonna be doing multiple classes in a few cities. But I think we have. Yeah, Dallas, Houston, Nashville, just outside of Atlanta, Greensboro, North Carolina, (Lesley: Cleveland) Cleveland, Ohio and then St. Louis. (Lesley: Yeah. So so fun.) So seven stops.Lesley Logan  Seven stops. (Brad: Yeah) Yeah. And so anyways, if you are wanting to join any of those cities sound like something fun. You want to work out with me onlinepilates.classes.com/tour is our third official tour.Brad Crowell  Yeah. And if you're in the Philly area and you want to hang we're going to like get together for coffee. You know, in the Philadelphia just north of Philadelphia. SoLesley Logan  Yeah. And that and it's at night time that coffee might be a drink and and then ... (Brad: It might be a hot toddy.) And then Denver, yes loves of course, we're going to hang out and have lunch for you guys.Brad Crowell  Yeah. Denver we're gonna have lunch on our drive thru.Lesley Logan  We have a wedding to be at (Brad: Yeah) on December 31. So this tour is hot like hit it hard before the holiday. (Brad: Yeah) A couple days a family, get our ... back home. Yeah. So super, I'm just so excited that people love this tour so much that we keep doing it because it really is fun. And I just saw the art for the tour. And I can't wait to see what the merch is because we all need a tour shirt. (Brad: Yeah, you do.) We all do. (Brad: Yeah, you do.) Now ...Brad Crowell  Anyway, onlinepilatesclasses.com/tour.Lesley Logan  Yes. Okay. So instead of a question this week, we have a bold moment, right, Brad?Brad Crowell  Yeah, we totally do. It's exciting. We love hearing from y'all. So if you ever have any bold moments, you know, we are very excited to share with your permission, of course. SoLesley Logan  I got permission from Alison. She's an Agency member of ours. And she wrote lots of stuff on my mind this week. But there's a channel we have an Agency by the way, it's called Blow My Mind. "First, LL's podcast episode on fall routines and mindset helped me realize that for as long as I can remember, I have not wanted to do anything from roughly October to December. And yet also for pretty much my whole life, I have resisted that because I believe I should push on no matter what. And this October has been no exception. So as I look ahead to November and my business goals, I'm considering what kind of actions will cultivate a sense of nurturing rather than effort. Also, I started reading The Source recommended in that podcast episode. And the first journal exercise helped me realize how disconnected I feel from pretty much everybody since moving. Even though I'm still in touch with wonderful people from Austin and I love my partner's family. I still feel alone. This is definitely something to journal more about." So I loved this moment because it's all inspired from the pod. (Brad: Yeah) And and that's the whole point of this whole podcast is to help people, help you listening, understand yourself more and (Brad: Yeah) figure out how you can be it till you see it and like you cannot be it till you see it if you're pushing through when your body is saying it slowed the fuck down. So and I have, I have been watching what Alison's been doing. And all of her goals have been things to help set her up for a Q1 where she can go off and hit the ground running so she's not doing nothing, but she's not pushing. She's actually like it's it feels a little bit more like polling like what is what do I need to do over here. So thank you, Alison, for letting us share this and also for sharing it with us because it y'all podcast is so much fun. I love doing it. I love the interviews I get to do. It's like a really fun thing. But hearing how it affects you makes it like is like the why behind doing it. Like it's the fuel for it all. So thank you for sharing this and if you want to share yours, you can DM us at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. You can send it into the team, any place that you want to do that and will help us share it with other people.Brad Crowell  Yeah, we want to celebrate your bold moment. (Lesley: Yes) So awesome. Okay, now let's talk about Kate Wind. As a second generation Astrologer, Tarot reader and Feng Shui consultant. Kate has been raised around the language of the stars. But it wasn't until after she pursued her degree in psychology, that she got fed up with the corporate life and doing a decade in the corporate life, that it started that she started to recognize the cycles of astrology in her own life and circle back around starting her own business. So she got out of the corporate world and started her own astrology business. She now works to bring these tools to people in a digestible manner. Kate works with one-on-one clients with both astrology and Feng Shui and reads Tarot for events and is a co host of the podcast called Mom & Me Astrology.Lesley Logan  Yeah, it's a fun podcast. Can you just say how you read, reader before? Can you just say that again? I just want to hear how you said it.Brad Crowell  I don't have any idea (Lesley: Oh, okay.) what she talking about.Lesley Logan  At the top you said Tarot reader and I just thought that was really special. It's like tarjay, it's just Tarot. (Lesley laughs) (Brad: Oh) Yeah, you say it Tarot. And I was like, (Brad: Tarot reader) that is such a beautiful way of saying it and also a big (Brad: tarjay) a big light. Brad does not do I don't think he's ever had a Tarot reading before.Brad Crowell  I've definitely not had a Tarot reading. (Lesley laughs)Lesley Logan  I would have stopped you if you said (Brad laughs) Tarot. Okay, so this is a really fun conversation. This was really, I really wanted to have her on talking about this because I find what she does really interesting. I also it sounds like I've I've I know other astrologers and I haven't brought them I specifically brought her on because I love the way that she and her mom, look and use astrology as she mentioned, it's like, like can be like a therapy thing. And so I just find that to be really cool. Like, back during the US election, they had a whole episode on astrology and the election. And so they, they use it in an applicable sense as opposed to like a psychic sense. And I think that that's really unique. So one of the (Brad: Yeah) things that I loved, and this is, this is like super key as like your signs don't define your behaviors. So I say this, I'll just keep going with like, one of the things she talked about was like, talking about how your how you shouldn't use your sun sign as an excuse for behaviors. She like she, have you ever had this, like, "Oh, I'm a Virgo. So that's just who I am." Like, anytime you say (Brad: Totally) it's just how I am, and then you refer it to your sign. That's not how astrology was supposed to be used, or is actually used. It just just as much as like, one of my strength is WOO. And I ... I stayed in a relationship too long, because I was trying to win this person over. It doesn't mean like, I constantly put myself as a doormat because I'm trying to win others over. That would be like, I have choice there. I have I know who I know this about myself. (Brad: Yeah) And I know that I can do that. So I put boundaries in place. And so ...Brad Crowell  Well, we I mean, it's the same like we talk about strengths all the time, especially Strengths Finders, you heard us talk about that a lot. Every strength has a flip side, you can be empathetic, and it can be a benefit to you. That same empathy can be an anchor (Lesley: Yeah) for you, you know (Lesley: Yeah) on you. And so I think that in the same way, you know, why what how Astrology can define a possible character trait of yours, that character trait doesn't have to be negative.Lesley Logan  Right. Well, and also, it doesn't just go back to it's not an excuse for poor behavior, (Brad: Right) period. (Brad: Yeah) End of story. You don't get to be like, like a dick about something go that's just my like sun sign. Like, because (Brad: Yeah, or...) I'm a Taurus, I blow up at people. No, you have fire in you. But that doesn't exclude you, excuse you for like, blowing up on people just because you're upset.Brad Crowell  Or you're talking about being a doormat, you know, you don't necessarily like you could be prescribing yourself a negative situation, thinking that this is just the way it is because I'm X Y Z, you know, (Lesley: Yeah) because I'm a Cancer. You knowLesley Logan  Well, I mean, I lose things all the time. And yes, I am an Aquarius. And I put things in different places. That being said, I don't get to every time I lose something of ours and go, "Let's kind of have an Aquarius deal with it." Like no. (Brad: Right) Is he some people like you, I put things away on purpose, so that that are yours anyways. You know, so anyways, just to like sum that up, I really love that she brought this up, because I really do think a lot of times, we can use some qualities about ourselves or characteristics about ourselves that are unbecoming. And go, well, that's just who I am based on this sign ...Brad Crowell  And write it off, and then expect everyone to just be like, okay with it.Lesley Logan  And guess what, you know, you still are responsible for the actions that you take.Brad Crowell  Yeah, totally. Yeah, you know, one thing, actually, I have a couple things. You know, like she said, you ask her how do people take you know perceive, perceive you when you explain to them what you do. And she said, people either have two reactions, they are really excited about it, or they avoid it. Because they don't really understand it, and I don't know what to do. And we went out to dinner with her and her partner. And like, and I think I avoided it. You know, I wasn't like ...Lesley Logan  Oh you did. I was like, "Wait, tell me more."Brad Crowell  Yeah ... It just kind of got like, kind of made me glassy eyed where I was like, I don't know what that means. Okay, moving right along. Right. And it was a you know, you know, that said, with that in mind. I, it was a an awesome dinner. We had an amazing time and the conversation was fantastic. But what I didn't understand at the time until the interview that you just had was that there is a difference ... while they go hand in hand, there's a difference between astrology and Feng Shui. (Lesley: Oh, yeah.) And I didn't know that. I mean, I just heard a Feng Shui too, but like I don't actually know anything about Feng Shui. I just knew that like, it's a thing and people like you know, change ...Lesley Logan  My mom is going to call you up because my mom was so big on Feng Shui. She watches us on YouTube, shout out to mom, and she is going to teach you all the things and you're ended up with a crystal somewhere.Brad Crowell  I mean, I'm not opposed to that. But my point is I didn't know that there was a difference. Just kind of lumped it all into whatever. And I thought, you know, this conversation was still a merge of the two and I was trying to understand like, what's what and what's the other but I was, I was definitely drawn to the actionable steps that are possible with Feng Shui. I still don't really understand all the things with astrology. But I thought, I thought with the idea of like, there's a, you know, there's a clear timestamp in space and time when you were born. Okay, no problem. And when you were born, planets and things were in a specific space, and like they were, they were, where they were when you were born. Okay, totally get that. So I thought that was interesting. But then from there, there wasn't too much like, I didn't really understand action steps that could be taken from that. And then the conversation shifted over to Feng Shui where I did, where there was a lot of actionable steps. And I thought, okay, cool. So I was kind of learning about the practicality of Feng Shui, and how you can be setting yourself up for failure without even realizing it simply based on your environment. (Lesley: Yeah, well, I mean, and I think ...) Or you can be setting yourself up for success in that same environment.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I think like, that's the like, there's, and some people might even be doing some Feng Shui things not even knowing about it, because (Brad: Yeah) it's doesn't, when you actually look at it, it's it kind of as some of it is a little more common sense. Like, I wouldn't have known that the the money like that the girl's picture was in the wrong corner. But the girls had our picture that she talked about the back is turned towards her (Brad: Right) and your your clients are women, and they're not buying for you, like put that picture away. Right. Like ...Brad Crowell  Yeah, the most practical application of Feng Shui, from my experience growing up is you laugh about it, but the lipstick on the mirror in the bathroom in the morning of like, you got this, right, the positive messaging of like, you're a good person. And like the concept of a mantra, you wake up and you have this thing that you repeat to yourself, and you start the day, the day is amazing. And, you know, and I never really thought that there's anything weird about any of that, because I understand the story we tell ourselves is how we're going to experience the day. Right? So if I'm willing to embrace that idea, why would I not be willing to embrace these ideas of like, the way you've positioned the room can actually have an effect on your mindset.Lesley Logan  Well, and so I love that you brought that up. Because when you as you're talking earlier, and you're like, I didn't know about this, the I didn't put it together with the stars. Y'all you're most many people who might be like a little bit like, "I don't know about astrology. I don't know about this Feng Shui stuff. I don't know about this." But then you go to Machu Picchu or you go to the the pyramids, or you go to the temples of Cambodia (Brad: Temples of Angkor with us. Yeah.) How do you think these things got created and exactly where they are? Okay. I think we talked about this in, you know, when we were in Cambodia, some of these temples were built at the exact same time as other things halfway across the world were being built. And like, the only thing I can think of is like, well, what was going on at that time? Because there wasn't cell phones, there wasn't email, there wasn't someone chartering a boat, and like telling people this we're building. It's po... it had to been what was going on in the stars, because they could you know what I mean, like, there's just these energies things. So I, I know, it can sound like triple woo, when you talk about energies and stars and all and the Feng Shui. But some of it just makes a lot of sense.Brad Crowell  Yeah. And I thought that there was, I was, you know, what, also, I thought was really interesting was, she grew up in this environment, or, you know, parents are both astrologers, and her, she was fielding phone calls of like, you know, my triple Moon is jumping backflips over the rainbows of Mars, you know, like, as a 10 year old, and I don't, I don't speak that language. So I didn't really understand. And I was kind of making fun of it right there. And I hope she doesn't give me too much shit for that. But, you know, that's kind of what it sounds like, to me. And I'm like, "Ah, I don't really get it." But I also don't, you know, like, when she started to get nerdy about it, she was like, here's the relationship of the planets and the stars and the things and how they affect each other. And then when the, you know, as the Earth rotates, and we move around the sun, and all this stuff, and the position that we are in that, you know, it affects things and I was like, "Oh, get it, got it. Got that. That's kind of cool." You know, and her psychology degree, when she was looking like at her own life, experiencing her corporate life that she was living, you know, having speaking the language that she grew up with, and then applying the, you know, her knowledge from going to school, you know, allows her a really interesting get a bridge, like she speaks a language that I could connect with, because, you know, I can relate more to psychology that I can't do astrology, and she is connecting the dots there and I thought that was really helpful for me really revealing.Lesley Logan  Yeah, yeah. Well, basically, Kate, we love you and the way that you look at these things because it's approachable (Brad: Yeah) and easily to understand. And that's why I'd have her on. Brad Crowell  All right, so finally, let's talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted items can we take away from your conversation with Kate Wind?Lesley Logan  Yeah, so she had one kind of one BE IT action. I mean, I really love this because it's, you should be doing this annually, if not more often, but she says, take a look at your home. What is your home saying? And if your home is an apartment, or ...Brad Crowell  Yeah. There's a little more on the Feng Shui than the astrology side.Lesley Logan  Yeah, so look at the artwork, look at the pictures, are they current, any dead trees or plants, anything broken, remove the dead energy.Brad Crowell  Clutter. I mean, I'm, I'm such a culprit of this where like, things just build up on my desk behind, you know, my zoom camera. And then all of a sudden, I turn around, and it's been like, a month since I've moved things around on my desk. And it's just a pile of stuff. You know.Lesley Logan  Yeah. And then she and this is like, also, I thought this was a really actionable thing. She says, take note of where you walk around and curse. Where are you spilling your four letter words? Because I think sometimes people go, "Oh, it's fine. No, my plants are fine, or actually I don't have a lot of things. I'm a very clean, like, I have like a clean look." Or whatever you call that minimalist look. And it's like, okay, but then are you constantly like tripping on a table? Or are you like, are you avoiding like, do you even sit in your living room, like, what go in and do an inventory around how you use your house, and if it is actually bringing you any joy? Or like what the energy is (Brad: Yeah) because, you know, we do move things around a lot. Because we that's how we are. And that's kind of how it but it's really easy. Like I'm looking over at this like shelf and over here. And I don't even know why those things are on there. And if we chose for them to be on there, and maybe we should move those things around. Because maybe like, maybe they belong to somewhere else.Brad Crowell  These are my decorating skills, Babe.Lesley Logan  Yeah. I clearly, you know, take over on that. But anyways, I thought this is really cool. And I'm wondering, Brad, if there's if there's anything in your spaces that you're wanting to like, take a look at.Brad Crowell  So I'm not going to answer that question. No, I'm just kidding. Well, I thought I really connected to the idea of dead trees and plants. Because as you all know, I've been really excited about cactuses. And I never gave a shit about that before, for the first time in my life, like I actually walk around and water them and check on them and make sure that they're, you know, doing well. And, and like talk to them, which is weird, but I do. And, you know, so the I certainly wouldn't want a you know, if something has died. You don't leave it there. Seems pretty straightforward to me. But maybe you do because it's not important to you. But what I think the idea is, whether you think it's important to you or not, it is affecting you. Right? Whether you realize it or not, it is affecting you. Right. And you almost become I become desensitized to it. Until there is a boiling point. I remember I was thinking about this when I was listening to the interview. I remember at my old job, I had a desk and the desk was in a room with other people. And you know, unsurprisingly, my desk started to get clutter, right. And I didn't realize it but you know. And then over a period of time, it was clutter and clutter, clutter. And then I had like an epically bad day, like so bad that I wanted to throw my laptop, break things, scream, yell, and all this stuff. And I couldn't do any of that. But I literally, I just took my arms and I just went flew and I switched everything off my desk on the floor. And everyone in the office was like, "What just happened?" Right. And I was because I just needed space, I needed ... you know, all of it was there and ... And I just remember throughout basically throwing stuff against the wall, right? And and I don't know why, but it was very relieving for me. It was really weird for everyone else in the room. I created a lot of tension in that public outburst that I didn't scream and yell. But suddenly my desk was clean and it allowed me to go like ... right, so I didn't even realize all of that clutter was affecting me. But it was.Lesley Logan  Oh, it's like that having the tabs open on your computer. (Brad: Same thing.) It's the same thing. It's got things running in the background. And so I like that I um, I'm actually super excited because we're gonna be back in time for our New Year's day anniversary like (Brad: Yeah) and our thing that we have, we try to do every year at New Year's and what I'm hoping happens is we redo the closets. (Brad: Yeah) It's a little hard to do every single room in the house in one day but I believe in us and the closets and the kitchen drawers I think. So follow up with us y'all on January 2nd and ask us (Brad: How we did?) how we did on removing room like moving some energies and also where all cuz I definitely curse in the closet because I can't find things (Brad: Sure) and they're missing. (Brad: Sure) And I then I buy them again, because I forgot that I already own them or something similar. Like, "Why do I have four hot pink pair of pants?" Oh, because I couldn't find the other three. And I was like, "Oh, look at these. I already have that." So anyways, I thought this was really special. Let us know how this conversation worked for you. What parts of it were intriguing, which parts were like, oh, and it makes you understand, which part you're like, not into that. I'm happy to hear and also what you're going to remove or move around in your place like how are you doing? (Brad: Yeah) Take a picture or show it, like share you got any create a reel, create a reel of you like change the energy in your house. (Brad: Yeah, that's a great idea.) And tag ... (Brad: Tag us. Tag Kate.) And tag the @be_it_pod, tag Kate. She'll love it. (Brad: Yeah) And also take a listen, if this was really interesting to you, because I would love to have her back. But you don't have to wait for that you can actually go to Mom & Me Astrology and listen to their podcast. They have an episode every week, and I find them all very fascinating. So anyways, I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell  And, I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan  Thank you so much for joining us today. We are so so grateful to have you here and so until next time, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell  Bye for now.Lesley Logan  Be It Till You See It is a production of Bloom Podcast Network. Brad Crowell   It's written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan. And me Brad Crowell. Our associate producer is Amanda Frattarelli. Lesley Logan   Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing.  Brad Crowell  Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianranco Cioffi.  Lesley Logan  Special thanks to our designer Mesh Herico for creating all of our visuals, (which you can't see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all the video each week, so you can.Brad Crowell  And to Angelina Herico for transcribing each episode, so you can find it on our website. And finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on timeTranscribed by https://otter.aiSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:The faulty logic in leading by exampleShould you gift your clients at the holidaysImportant to understand how to use your strengths positives and negatives.The heart set has to be right for the mindset to be right The two questions to lead you to a transformed life Find a coach to push you past your limiting beliefs Episode References/Links:Strength Finder 2.0  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyUse this link to get your Toe Sox!ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Brad Crowell  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co hosts in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the leading convo I have with Kevin Kepple in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now and go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us. Because, I mean, like Kevin and I kind of nerded out a little bit. Like I got, I got really excited when I heard. I was like, I was like, "Oh, I love this, let's go."Brad Crowell  It was very reminiscent of a conversation that we had many years ago.Lesley Logan  I know, I know. But we're married, so I couldn't Netflix ... (Brad and Lesley laughs) (Brad: Strengths Finder and chill.) No, we could not. We could not. And ...Brad Crowell  And those of you who don't know what we're referencing, you're gonna have to go back and listen to last episode where Lesley told a very fun story about how Lesley and I initially connected.Lesley Logan  And if Kevin has a partner who's listened to this, I don't mean it like that.Brad Crowell  Well, I'll tell you what I felt right out of the gate. I thought it was so awesome that he pointed out something that I knew innately. But I had never really verbalized. He said leadership is not a position, it's an action. And leadership is different than management. Right? Because, and then he also threw in there like, like, like, in his corporate experience, he was like, he's like, "Yeah, you know, how I became the quote unquote, leader, I became a good salesperson. And I started doing really good." And they were like, "Well, I guess you'll be promoted to the head of your department." And he's like, "That doesn't make me a good leader. That just makes me a good salesperson. What the hell?"Lesley Logan  But every company does ... (Brad: They all fuckin' do this.) They all do this. (Brad: Does make any sense.) It's like, haven't you ever heard if you can't do it, like those who like, what's the cliche, I'm just blanking now, but like (Brad: They do teach. Those who can't do, teach.) Yeah, those who can't do teach. It's like (Brad: Yeah) your best coaches on the football field we're not the quarterbacks. They were the people who maybe we're a quarterback at some point. But like, they weren't the star, my favorite coaches, my favorite coach and running was not a number one runner, he was actually number three runner if you know cross country at all. You have an individual number that you do in some races, but in other races of the team, qualifying the top five runners who come across the finish line, their cumulative scores is what wins. So you could have someone who's a fastest person and wins the race. And then but if the next four people are slower than the average of the other teams, first five, you lose. So all five people matter. Right? (Brad: Right) My best coach was like the number three runner. And when he got promoted to be the vice principal, that's fine for him. He gave us his number one runner who won states and all these things. He was a dick. He was the worst coach in the world. He just goes run faster. And I'm like, (Brad: The worst.) the worst, the worst. I quit running because of him, because he was the worst.Brad Crowell  Well, I that's annoying. And I totally get that. We also had a guy who was like, he had played pro when I was in high school, what pro soccer and and then he became the coach and I quit playing soccer because he sucked at life.Lesley Logan  So for all of you who are promoting leaders in this world? (Brad: Well ... interesting.) It's just because you're the best at what you do does that make you a leader.Brad Crowell  Well, I think I think it's interesting, right? Because the idea is lead by example. That's another phrase we've all heard lead by example, right? And so the assumption is, well, if you're doing it, you must be great it, you must be able to be the leader, because you can lead by example, you can tell them what you do. But that still I don't think that's what qualifies leadership, right? And he said, leadership, leaders inspire, leaders they ask, they don't tell. And then he said, for all you moms out there, you're the best possible leaders that the world has ever offered. I just thought it was really amazing. There were so many little takeaways like management is not is management is simply telling people what to do. Right. I mean, it was like, anyway, we just like completely jump straight in. But we had a couple things we wanted to say before we get started.Lesley Logan  Yeah. Like if you're listening to this on the actual date comes out, Happy Thanksgiving. (Brad: Yeah, for those who here in the States.) ... in the States, and you know what, we actually did this in a newsletter in September, we sent out a gratitude just because because right now everyone's very grateful. But I want to be grateful for people all the time. But just in case you have not heard thank you for being you and thank you for listening to this. We are so grateful for you like we truly are and everything we really created on the guests we have on or because of the questions you give us. (Brad: Yeah) The things that you say that resonate. So thank you. (Brad: Yeah) Thank you so much. (Brad: And thanks for listening.) Yes. And this is the first Thanksgiving, Brad and I are not spending together. I don't think we've ever missed a Thanksgiving together.Brad Crowell  That's true. I don't think I realized that.Lesley Logan  We've missed a many and anniversary and Valentine's Day. (Brad: Every Valentine's Day for like one.) Yeah, because of the pandemic really kept us together. But this Thanksgiving you're in Philly.Brad Crowell  Yeah. So I'm home with my family. My grandpa's getting up there. And I wanted to spend some time with him. And I only get to see him usually, like, once a year. And so I decided to go home for a couple weeks ... Lesley Logan  And because of the pandemic. We even that one time a year we really didn't get to have ... And then 2020 yeah, 21 I got sick. And so we were a lot ...Brad Crowell  Yeah ... and then you drove by. (Lesley: Yeah) And that's it. We saw a moved way fitterLesley Logan  From the front yard as far away as possible. Anyways, yeah, so you're there, and I'm here. My don't don't don't cry for me. My dad and brother are here. And they're, they're gonna make sure that I probably go to the movies with them. And then my bestie Claire, you remember her from several recaps my slingshot friend, she's actually coming out here and I share this with you because on Saturday of this week, in the US it is shop small Saturday. So I have a tradition that I started last year where I go to all the small businesses and I shop small. And even if I don't buy anything from them, I post about them. Because it's really all about what you do in your community and like being there and being supportive of all of them. So that's really fun. And by the way, if you wanted to shop small, hi, that's us. This weekend, we actually have two things going on. So depending on what you need and what you want. We've got on onlinepilatesclasses.com. We do have it's a Black Friday, Cyber Monday sale, it's really a holiday sale, it started started yesterday. It's going to ...Brad Crowell  It could start at the beginning of November. I mean, who knows at this point, right?Lesley Logan  Well, I well, I refuse. Like the fact that I started before Thanksgiving is a little bit against my like values and like I hated seeing people in line on Thanksgiving Day at stores to buy TVs but since I'm online, and you you can do this from like sneaking out to the bathroom. On onlinepilatesclasses.com, we do have 50% off of legacy workouts and workshops from my teachers and myself. And also if you buy the mat flashcards as gifts for yourself or for friends, there's a discount on those.Brad Crowell  Yeah, you can get up to 40% off on the mat flashcards ...Lesley Logan  Yeah, so give the gift of Pilates here to yourself and others. On Profitable Pilates, we have up to 50% off of courses. So if you're buying courses that are have my face or Brad's face on it, 50% off, if you have you buy a course with another person's face on it 30% off and do not worry, your purchase is still going to support the course creators and to the Cupcake Girls Organization. (Brad: Right) We still honor those those charities with your purchase.Brad Crowell  Yeah, that's awesome. So those, those will were those will only be available through the Black Friday, Cyber Monday holiday. So don't sit on this.Lesley Logan  If you're listening to this in December or a random day in the future. Well, you can go and get those things, regular price.Brad Crowell  Get on the newsletter. Get on the newsletter so you can find out about future ...Lesley Logan  Yeah, yeah, yeah, we just you know, so thank you for listening. Still, the gratitude is there.Brad Crowell  All right. Well, we had an audience question this week. And I thought it was really it's actually a question we've gotten multiple times in the past, because inside of our fitness business coaching group, Agency. We have a lot of people who have clients, everyone has clients in there. And we often have this conversation circle. Do you give your clients gifts during the holiday? (Lesley: Yeah) And if so, how, why, what what's the what's your thinking behind that?Lesley Logan  Well, I think like it really just depends on the business and depends like it. Here's the thing. I love that you asked this question, all of you. And I know a lot of people listening have side hustles. And these clients are like, I got these gifts. Really, truly like, people are so grateful that you give them what you give, like you change their life, whatever it is that you are doing, you do change their life, and you add so much value that is already a gift. However, and I know that they often give you gifts, and so that makes you feel this reciprocity to give them something. (Brad: Sure) It depends, it really has to depend on you. If you've got a family to feed, if you are just starting your business out. They do not your clients are not actually expecting a gift from you. And they're not going, "Oh, Brad didn't give me a gift this year." (Brad: It's not my list.) Not buying, not buying that packet ... (Brad: Never buying again.) They don't do that. So in the very beginning,Brad Crowell  It's kind of like the holiday cards.Lesley Logan  We get holiday cards every year and we never send one. (Brad: No) And no one has taken us off the holiday card list. In fact, people still ask me, "What's your address? What's your address?" I'm like, "fucking in it." Like I want to see your house. I can't wait to see your kid and your dog and all those things. It's really beautiful. But the point is made no one is taking us off the list just because we didn't send a card of ourself we just we don't do that. We still have 26 teams Christmas cards signed and sealed without stamps on them in a drawer. (Brad: In a drawer) We tried everyone we've really tried. Maybe it was only 20 I think are 2020 There were like 2020. And that's the irony is that they're like, have a lit have a lit 2020. And we didn't send it. Anyway ...Brad Crowell  We should put those in the mail. (Lesley: Oh my God that would be so mean.)Lesley Logan  So to go back to this question, I'm not... as online business owner, we don't have any gifts that we are doing for anyone, particularly and even for our, our team. And that's because they live all over the world and we try to honor them on their birthday versus the holiday. The other thing is like (Brad: Well for your clients.) for my clients, when I had an in person client business, the first several years, I did do something nice. Like I either got them some Pilates socks, or I made some granola things or whatever, it was something really small, and ideally cost effective. And hopefully something that was like felt personal enough that they wouldn't just regift it.Brad Crowell  I think one year we gave them like we had made a bunch of candles. (Lesley: Yes) So and those candles had like, you know, fun sayings that we wrote up on them or whatever.Lesley Logan  Yeah, yeah, we did some fun stuff and, and they're personalized as best we can. But as my clientele got bigger, that became a cost I just really couldn't (Brad: Yeah) do. And then also one year, we just got really busy and it didn't do it. And no one seemed to notice that I didn't do it. So then what I did was actually just do a handwritten thank you card. (Brad: Yeah) It was very personalized, handwritten thank you card on holiday stationery. And people love that they gave me a card as a gift. And it usually had money in it, which was so nice. And then I gave them a card back. And honestly, they just were so grateful that I wrote something personal to them. So do I give clients get holidays? If you are loved language is gift giving, then by all means, like, (Brad: Yeah, do it up.) do it up. If it's not, if it's like my love language is words of affirmation and touch. So thank you card handwritten was something personally complimenting them, and hugging them at the holidays, really was something that felt special to me, because I didn't hug them every time they came in. I didn't give them cards every time they came in. So is there a special, but maybe, maybe your love language is acts of service. And so you can go do something charitable and their honor, like, so ...Brad Crowell  Here's what I don't recommend, I don't recommend giving them a free session, (Lesley: No) or free class or anything like that. Your clients want to support you. Okay. And if you are giving them back the thing that they're paying for, it's going to devalue it. And they're going to be like, well, I pay you for these, what would make more sense is find a local restaurant with like, small business restaurant that you love, and give them a gift certificate if you really want to, but give them something like that. Or a local coffee shop or something that makes sense to them. If giving gifts is your love language.Lesley Logan  And also like if you collaborate with small businesses and I was just talking to in a coaching call with one of our members and I actually gave her like suggested like, "Sir, I don't know why this is coming up for you. But like, is there like a local, like, farming gardening place that maybe can do seeds? Because your new studio owner for this area?" And she's like, "Oh my God, I can do like things for growing with us and like give everyone a seed packet." Right. Like, so ...Brad Crowell  ... I can give one of the cactuses, you know.Lesley Logan  Yeah, you can. Well, you already are, you're gonna leave a cactus on someone's porch. But like the other thing you can do, y'all is connect with these other small businesses. And maybe you don't pay for the full massage. But you get to pay for the cost of the massage like the like, whatever, it costs a massage place. So then you can get something that's affordable to you. But ...Brad Crowell  Yeah, you're building relationships too. (Lesley: building relationships) You know you're supporting a local businesses.Lesley Logan  And the massage place get potentially gets all these clients. (Brad: Yeah) So you bought them a gift certificate ...Brad Crowell  I love that idea actually especially a massage place. (Lesley: Yeah) Or like a nail's place (Lesley: a nail's place) ... if you know they do the nails or something like that.Lesley Logan  Can be a local maker shop. Like, if you collaborate with them, there may be instead of you paying for the full price of the thing, you can pay for the cost of the thing so that they're not losing any money. It's in your price range and and you're supporting each other's local business, because maybe they do the same thing for you. And they're like, can I buy my all of my people a mat class? Okay, a cost a mat class part for the teacher is this much. I can do this. So the answer is very muddled. I can tell you that right now. And what I would just say is do not ...Brad Crowell  ... give gifts sometimes.Lesley Logan  I don't think you should feel obligated to (Brad: Yeah) give a gift ever. And I think that it should really resonate with what you're doing. And I love that you said don't do this, don't give away your service for free as the gift. (Brad: Right) And, and and it should feel fun and not like an obligation otherwise you're not going to enjoy it. So, (Brad: Yeah) Yeah.Brad Crowell  Well, I think that that wraps up that question, a great question.Lesley Logan  Is that pun intended as a wrapping it up?Brad Crowell  Yeah, we're gonna wrap it up in a bow. We just wrapped it in a bow. All right stick around. We'll be right back. All right. Let's tallk about Kevin Kepple. From experience with various types of leadership, with leaders I mean, Kevin realized that he was most energized by helping leaders maximize their genius through aligning their hearts. He's now a master coach, Gallup certified strengths coach, and a podcast, host of Unlock Your Freedom, where he inspires leaders to become more. Kevin loves helping people figure out whatever it is that slowing them down, stopping them or standing in their way and does this through the mastermind group he leads and of course, his podcast. This was a really I let he's got a dry sense of humor. I enjoyed that. But what I left really a lot about how much I was like, "Oh, I like this guy. I want to I want to hang out with him. And just talking about Strengths Finder."Lesley Logan  He's in Dallas, so you can do that. You can, I think you can probably just do that. I think Kevin will be listening, because he knows we do these recaps. And (Brad: Oh fun) so yeah ...Brad Crowell  He's in Dallas. (Lesley: He is in Dallas. Yep.) We're coming through Kevin. (Lesley: Yeah.) That's a call.Lesley Logan  Coming on strong, Kevin ... I've been talking about I love because, you know, it's my turn. Um, so I he says how he said, how do you stay in your zone? And he actually talked about how strengths have a positive and a negative side, which I think is really important. I think it's, I think everything has that. Right. I think we forget even our yoga teacher was like, you can't have love without hate can't have peace without war. We're like, everything has its equal and opposite. And he use these words, are we in the balcony? Are we in the basement? (Lesley: Yeah) And I ...Brad Crowell  Well before you go like the positive in the negative. I think that there is an assumption that we're making, because it's a StrengthsFinder test. They tell you your strength is x, but just because that's your strength. That strength still has the negative side. (Lesley: Yeah) Yeah, yeah. (Lesley: Well, and I ...) So the balcony in the basement.Lesley Logan  Yeah. So he, he says like, he was talking about, like, there's a place where are you in the balcony? Like, are you like, overseen and like like, there's beautiful views on the balcony. Right? (Brad: Oh yeah) Or are you in the basement, which is like where you're like, kind of leaning into the negative side of it. (Brad: Yeah) So he gave an example, a maximized balcony is faster with mastery wants to be around it, it's healthy to be, to healthy to get to elite levels. And maximize a basement is noodling with a thing just to make it a little bit better, just like a little bit, like just like a little professionisti situation. (Brad: Right) And so ...Brad Crowell  I know there's another like that I've often I've personally experienced with, with someone who was very close to me for a long time, where empathy, empathy can be an incredible strength. And I, I saw empathy used to really relate to people and connect with them and make them feel included and help them you know, come out of their shell and whatever. I also saw that same strength of empathy, bring this person down, where they were experiencing the same sadness, heartbreak, whatever, and it was a crushing, crushing them. Right. So empathy has both the balcony and the basement, right. So same thing with maximizer. Same thing with literally every single strength that they outline is strengths finders. So it's important to understand how it can be used in the positive and also in the negative way. Because you might be, you know, you might be being that perfectionist as a maximizer. I'm a maximizer. Right. So I I definitely don't think I struggle with perfectionism as it were. But I know, (Lesley: No) I find myself actually having these weird, like, like, I feel like I've got a window into OCD ...Lesley Logan  You know what you're noodling as though, like you will try to get the system ready and prepared before the thing is even happening, like, you'll, you'll kind of start to do the thing that someone else could be doing. (Brad: Yeah) And so just, yeah, like, just to get it done. And so I think that that's interesting. And I think it's been really fun, because we could just go up here in the basement right now. You know, I mean, we I've talked about this before, one of my strengths is woo, and the end like, he brought up woo, like, woo, people are like, they gotta meet the next person. I don't really have that problem. Like, let's go because I am an introverted woo person, but I did stay in a relationship because I was trying to win them over like you're the only fucking person in the world that doesn't love me for myself.Brad Crowell  How interesting is that? How interesting.Lesley Logan  Yeah. So I was like, oh, and I, I really tried to like, I don't want to downplay my woo so much that it almost like ended up not in my strengths, because I was so afraid of that happening. And now I'm like, okay, I get the woo. I get. I got the woo, wrangle. So we're good there.Brad Crowell  Yeah, well, I was laughing. We go to the gym, and there's another group of people at the gym. Okay, and they are in a different class and other there's like a there's this weird rivalry now, (Lesley: But there's ...) between the other guy and our teacher and like, you know, and we go in and like the first couple of months, weeks, months, whatever (Lesley: weeks ... like a (Lesley: only been a month) the other people in the class like wouldn't make eye contact with us. But we were like all looking at each other across agenda.Lesley Logan  But our group clearly has several wooers in it because (Brad: Oh clearly) we would like walk past we have to walk through their group because they like take over this one spaces next to all the weight. So we like walk through and all the wooers you can tell who they are because they're like ...Brad Crowell  We're making eye contact with them ... We're smiling at them. Listen, hey. (Lesley: And then we're like, got a smile at them) Yeah ... our group over like she smiled. Yeah, okay, we're winning them over.Lesley Logan  We've got two of the three. And at this point we now have they're all saying have a good night to us, (Brad: Yeah) except for the trainer. (Brad: Except for the trainer. It's really true.) The trainer is that as your peacocking thing? Anyway,Brad Crowell  So anyway, but it's funny, because like, it can become a challenge. But also it can become an obsession. Lesley Logan  Yeah, so again, balcony in the basement. So I could keep going. But that, I would just say like, one if you haven't done your Strength Finders, definitely do it. And then two really reflecting if you are in the balcony in the basement or whatever word you want to use, in your strengths, because it is true, like your best you could be so good at something that it becomes your your defaults, like your default default default. Don't ...Brad Crowell  I think you could say it both ways. But but he you know, actually what his ... (Lesley: Demise) Yeah. Demise. (Lesley: Dramatic) He actually said, when when that's happening, when you're in the basement, chances are high that you're making it about you. (Lesley: Yeah) And you're not making it about somebody else. I need to win them over, I have to win them over. If they hadn't won, if I didn't win them over, then it's my fault, then I did something wrong. Right? Where, you know, like, think about that you stayed in the relationship, because he's the only person that wasn't liking you, for you. (Lesley: I know) The only and so you're like, I have to, I I ...Lesley Logan  Everybody loves me.Brad Crowell  Everybody loves you. 100%. You know, so you know, that's where it becomes that, you know, chances are high that if you're in the basement, it's because you're making it about you instead of about others where (Lesley: Yeah) you're not leading.Lesley Logan  I'm into that. Alright, what do you love? I know, there's a ton of things. But (Brad: Yeah, yeah) anything else?Brad Crowell  Well, so I thought this was I thought this was really fascinating. He talked about the idea of limiting beliefs, okay. And I talked about making it all about me, I, I can tell you that my beliefs were holding me back or holding us back that my beliefs are holding back our company from growing. And, but but he said something that I thought was really interesting. I never thought about it like this before. And I wanted to dig into it a little bit more. He said, innately we're all happy, right? When you're a child, you know, I mean, I guess you're happy and sad as a child, but you're curious, you're happy, you're excited to learn, right? He said, as we grow, we get all that stuff gets covered up with bs, that just doesn't matter. And he said, we've all heard of this idea of limiting beliefs. You know, and but he said, he said, we get stuck where, like, ... we've all heard of mindset, right? And he said, learn to master your mindset. And then he said, but also learn to master your heart set. And I was like, "What the hell's a heart set? I never heard of this." Right? And because mindset, I kind of think makes sense. Like, oh, yeah, you know, how you frame your beliefs, your limiting your beliefs, and all that kind of stuff. But he said, if you are not paying attention to your gut feelings, you're actually giving away half of your power, because you're stuck in the mindset.Lesley Logan  I know he and Paul Epstein we met at an event in Nashville. Paul has a book. I don't remember the name. But it has to do with like head heart hands and like, you need to make sure that before you take action equaling hands that the heart and the head are (Brad: are aligned), are aligned. And yeah, so no one no one made that connection ... But me, because in that interview, because Kevin doesn't know, Paul, but maybe they do, maybe, but at any rate, like I is the first time we've heard anyone talk about the heart set here. And I do think limiting beliefs can feel very mind... But you know, if you aren't clear on what's going on in your heart, you can do all the mind work in the world, and it's not going to get you're not going to be able to overcome those things.Brad Crowell  Well, because he talked a couple times about like the love, choose love over fear. I can't remember exactly what he said, but basically love energy. He talks about energy a lot. And he said he said basically, if you are stuck in logic in process and strategy, right, your only using 50% of your power. Right? That stuff's important. There's no question you need to be your mind the all that logic, you have to get to that point too. But there's a whole nother side of it of like, do I really want to be doing this? Is this the right decision? Is this the right person for me to be working with? Like there's a whole instinct that we have that we often I think it's the classic I think that the easiest way relate to this is with relationships where it's like, you're thinking too much go with your heart. You know, it's like more do you feel it? Or are you thinking it? Right? And, and it's like the people say, "Oh, my heart wants to, but my mind won't let me." Right. (Lesley: Yeah) Like, get into a relationship. I know, this was me. This was totally me. Like when we were dating, my, my heart was in it, but my mind was like, "I'm afraid, I'm afraid, I'm afraid. I had this negative experience that hurt me before, like, danger, danger, danger, and it was all up in my head." But my heart was like, "Kept bringing me back to this place." And there came a point where I had to, like, literally, like, make a mental decision, a logical decision of like, I'm just gonna go with this even though I'm afraid. (Lesley: Yeah) You know. And so anyway, that's like the heart versus that mind. So the mindset is, is only half of your power, that heart set is the other half of the power. I thought it was just really interesting. I'd never heard this idea before.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I think what's cool about that is like, a lot of it, like follow your heart, not everybody what it's like or get your mindset, right. It's like you have to do both. (Brad: Yeah) So sorry. You're not gonna get out of this life just mastering one or the other. You gotta gotta have both.Brad Crowell  Yeah, yeah, totally. So anyway, that was that was really, that was really interesting to explore. So I hope that that is revealing for you too, because maybe you are you consider yourself like me very logical. And very, you know, I don't know. I want to see it on paper to spell it out. Right. Where, I know you often will go with your gut. (Lesley: Oh, yeah.) You know, more often (Lesley: Yeah) so fascinating, fascinating. (Lesley: Yeah.) All right. So finally, let's talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Kevin Kepple? Why don't you go first?Lesley Logan  Okay, this, I mean, like, I, it's a great takeaway, and it's super quick. And I want you to write them down. Ask yourself, somebody said, ask yourself, what do I want? Why do I want it? And then he actually did only another why. And he also said, don't ask yourself, How do I get it? And I think, first of all, many people talked about this, the how is going to fuck you up so many times over, because you're getting so stuck on the how it is possible, that you don't even have to figure the how out. Like it is possible that the how is already set up, and it exists. And if you are just really clear on what you want, and why you want it, you'll tell someone because we're so excited about what you want, and why you want it and your passions and be there and they're gonna go, oh, have you talked to so and so. It's like Brad wanted to work anywhere in the world, he wanted to travel for work, you'd always ... and he was trying to figure out the how on his own. And some guy goes, you know, your wife's doing that already. And needs someone to work with her. And like he gave you the how (Brad: Yeah) you had not seen.Brad Crowell  Even it was literally in front of me. (Lesley: Clearly) Yeah.Lesley Logan  Right there with hot pink hat on right there. Um, so anyways, I just really love this because ...Brad Crowell  So what do you want? (Lesley: Yeah) Why do you want it? Think on those things like, well, that's what you need to determine. You do not need to figure out the how.Lesley Logan  In fact, don't figure out the how, like (Brad: Yeah) don't even don't do that just get really clear on that thing. And, and you may have to ask yourself, why a few times to get to the true, like the true why they get you up and going even when you don't know the how.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I thought you also kind of comment that he said, how can we mix a little generosity into the why? Because he said sometimes passion is a little bit selfish. When you're like, all passion, right? You're you're not necessarily considering others. (Lesley: Yeah) So I thought that was interesting.Lesley Logan  But that's but that's why you have to go to several why's. Because if you do like Dean Graziosi is like seven layers of why (Brad: Oh seven layers), seven layers of why. It's, you'll get stuck around five or six, and you just got a hold on and you'll come back to it. But that whole your why should make you cry. Like when you get that seventh one, he figured out why did he want to do all these things because he wanted to pay for his mother's home. He didn't want her to worry anymore. He wanted to make sure he did these. It wasn't about him. The first several whys were about him. He got further down. So that's like getting a why a few times. So you get to this bigger thing. And you're the thing that set with one usually has very little do about you and most have to do about the world and it has a generosity.Brad Crowell  Well, my biggest takeaway was that he said, find a coach and pay Lesley for coaching. (Brad and Lesley laughs)Lesley Logan  I did not pay him to say that.Brad Crowell  No, we did not. But I thought that was hilarious. I think I think that the underlying concept though, is something that I've lived my whole life by. And the darker parts of my life were when I didn't have a mentor, or I didn't have a coach and I've talked about this plenty of times before, but I absolutely believe that you will go further faster when you have somebody that you're willing to submit your plans, ideas, concepts, you know, like energy, love all those things when you're willing to put yourself in a position where someone can sow into your life and weigh in in a way that you respect what they have to say, it is going to benefit you in an incredible way. And so Lesley and I are constantly finding coaches for ourselves to this is not something that we did once and we're done. No, we will have coaches or mentors for the rest of our lives. So we encourage you to do exactly the same thing. (Lesley: Yeah) Yeah.Lesley Logan  I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan  Thank you so much for joining us today. Again, we are super grateful for you. How are you going to use these tips in your life?Brad Crowell  Oh, I am jumping in here. I know how I'm going to use these tips in my life. And Kevin, this is because of this guy. I went back and I listen to your convo two times. I am looking into becoming a certified Gallup Strengths Finders coach.Lesley Logan  Oh, yes. You totally do that. (Brad: Yeah) I love that.Brad Crowell  Yeah. I'm very excited. I already already sent off an email to Gallup to see what's involved in the whole program I already read about about the whole thing this morning.Lesley Logan  That's so fucking cool. (Brad: I'm excited.) I'm excited. I'm slightly jealous, but I'm gonna not do that certification because I already have seven. This is so cool. Okay, well, Brad already told me but you have to tell me. So DM us at the @be_it_pod. Tell us your takeaway. Tell us what you're working on. Tell us what your strengths are. And make sure you tag Kevin Kepple because he'll want to hear about them too. (Brad: Absolutely.) And please share this podcast with several friends if not all your friends and until next time, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell  Bye for now.Lesley Logan  Be It Till You See It is a production of Bloom Podcast Network. Brad Crowell  It's written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan. And me Brad Crowell. Our associate producer is Amanda Frattarelli.  Lesley Logan  Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing.  Brad Crowell  Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianranco Cioffi.  Lesley Logan  Special thanks to our designer Mesh Herico for creating all of our visuals, (which you can't see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all the video each week, so you can.Brad Crowell   And to Angelina Herico for transcribing each episode, so you can find it on our website. 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What you'll learn in this episode: Why advertising for professional services is unique compared to other industries How to make the subjective creative process more objective The process behind some of Brad and Larry's most well-known campaigns Why law firms need to be responsive to the changes in the marketplace, and why advertising is no longer optional Why a good website is a nonnegotiable, especially when it comes to hiring and retention About Larry Cohen: Larry Cohen is the president and co-founder of advertising agency Glyphix. His vision of a small agency of talented, skilled professionals doing great work for great clients is what drives the group. He's a writer. Copy. Scripts. Children's books. In addition to his work with clients, he understands the financial side of their investment in Glyphix…and keeps Glyphix financially strong and stable. About Brad Wilder: Brad Wilder is creative director and co-founder of Glyphix. Art direction and design are his thing. The national and international awards he's won prove the point. Awards for almost everything… corporate identity, advertising, packaging, in-store merchandising, display and trade show booth design, interfaces, for clients like Nestlé, Mercedes-Benz, Baskin-Robbins, Xircom and Disney. He's also a tech geek. Transcript: In the legal industry, advertising has done a 180. What was once considered tacky is now a requirement. And according to Larry Cohen and Brad Wilder, co-founders of advertising agency Glyphix, if you're going to advertise, you better make it count. They joined the Law Firm Marketing Catalyst Podcast to talk about how to make the creative process run smoothly; why a strong website is a critical part of attracting top talent; and why even the best brands need a refresh from time to time. Read the episode transcript here.  Sharon: Welcome to the Law Firm Marketing Catalyst Podcast. Today, my guests are Larry Cohen and Brad Wilder, who are some of the professional forces behind Glyphix. Glyphix is an advertising agency which works across all genres but has particular expertise in the professional services space. They're specialists in all kinds of advertising, websites, print, etc. I say specialists because they're specialists in having their work stand out from the crowd. We will learn more about Glyphix today. Larry and Brad, welcome to the program. Larry: Thank you very much for having us   Brad: We're glad to be here.   Sharon: We're so glad to have you. Each of you, give us your career paths just briefly.   Larry: Interesting question, because our career paths are almost exactly the same in the sense that—   Sharon: Larry, that's you speaking?   Larry: Yeah, this is Larry. Brad and I met in high school at Hamilton High School in Los Angeles. I was a writer for the school paper. Brad was the photographer and designer, and that's where we met. After college, we got together and began working for an advertising agency called Mendelson Design. Back in 1986, when the Mac came out and gave us the tools to do a lot of great creative work for a very affordable price, we decided, “Hey, let's start our own new agency.” We've been together since 1986. So, it's been a very similar career path.   Sharon: So, you've known each other a long time.   Brad: Longer than we've known our wives, yeah.   Sharon: Can you tell us what Glyphix does in general?   Larry: In general, we do professional services-focused, full-service advertising, some marketing, no PR. We try and delineate those two things, but it's soup-to-nuts advertising from brand building to SEO and social.   Brad: The bottom line for us is really helping our clients position themselves in the marketplace against the competition and keeping them ever-present in the minds of their potential customers and clients. That can start with the strategy, and then from there move right through to naming their websites, logos, branding, TV advertising, print. All those are different tools we have at our disposal to keep our clients front and center in front of their clients.   Sharon: How do you describe each of your roles at Glyphix? Are they the same?   Larry: No, our roles are very, very different. I came out of university with a business degree. So, for me, it's the business, dealing with clients, doing some copywriting. Brad is our creative director, so he runs the creative. Whether we're designing websites, shooting TV commercials, doing print ads, Brad's the guy that runs the creative here. I think it's one of the reasons we've survived together, as we have a good delineation between who does what with respect to each other's talents.    Sharon: That is a good delineation. You're not crossing over on each other. Brad, the first time I ever saw the agency was when you did something—I can't remember which company it was for—it was advertising an x-ray. It was for a healthcare law firm.   Brad: It was for Fenton Nelson which is now Nelson Hardiman, health-care attorneys. What was the question? That was a great piece. It was so radically different at the time. No one had ever done it before.   Sharon: It was radically different. It was for healthcare marketing attorneys, as you say, and it really stood out.   Brad: To give some background on that, Fenton Nelson is a healthcare law firm specializing in all things healthcare. They wanted direct mail, not digital, but they wanted it to completely stand out. We actually shot x-ray film with a design that became a direct mail line. It was a full x-ray in an x-ray envelope. It was sent to all the healthcare agencies on their call list. It was 10, 15 years ago, and people are still talking about it.    Sharon: So, it was a real x-ray?   Brad: Yes.   Larry: We actually had to source x-ray film.    Sharon: How did you come up with that?   Larry: That's a great question. We came up with it because Brad and I always try to look for what makes a client unique, what makes them special. In this case, we interviewed Harry Nelson and his staff and they said, “We could go to any healthcare facility. We can walk through the facility and see what their issues are and where they're going to get in trouble. We see things that other people don't.” That gave us the idea that an x-ray allows you to see things other people don't. That gave us a positioning line for the firm, and it was, “We see things other firms don't.” It was a positioning that said, “We're unique because our experience and expertise allow us to help our clients.” In that case, it was to help healthcare clients, hospitals, and facilities stay out of trouble.    It really came out of the client organically, and that's what Brad and I tried to do. I think we're good at helping clients find a position for themselves, find the thing that makes them unique. Are you the most expensive? Are you the most experienced? What is it that you're the best at, and how do we translate that into a creative message? Then, how do we get that in front of our potential clients?   Sharon: Do you tell the client that even if they don't ask for it? Do you tell them what you're working from?   Larry: Yes, absolutely, because we want to educate the client. I think clients find it exciting. People love hearing stories, and every firm, every client has a story to tell. The trick is to find that story. I have to uncover that and deliver that story. It's compelling. You think about great brands. Most of them have a story behind it: why the company was started, what problem you are solving for your customers. That's what customers and clients care about. Nobody cares about what you do. They care about what you can do for them, how you make them successful. Our job is to translate what you do into why somebody should care.    Sharon: Is that how you got the name Glyphix? Is there something with Glyphix that tells clients that?   Larry: It was painful naming. We're a creative firm, so we have to have a creative name; we have to do things differently. We went through hundreds of names. We kept focusing on the name “glyph” as in a hieroglyph. It's using a picture or several pictures in a row to tell a story. At the time, everything that ended in X was much cooler, and we just stuck with Glyphix. Even our logo is a little “GX” man—it's on Glyphix.com; check it out—that tells a story through pictures and simple storytelling.   Sharon: I was thinking this while I was looking at the website. You have these very simple line drawings that tell what you do. Was it you who came up with that, Brad?   Larry: Are you talking about the video?   Sharon: Yeah, the video.   Larry: We typically come up with work as a team. At Glyphix, we have a great bunch of people who work together as a team. At the time, we had a gentleman, David Allman, working with us. I think David and Brad came up with that idea. Then we had it animated, and we had a wonderful gentleman who did the voiceover. We wanted a very simple way to explain what we do to people.   Sharon: As I was looking at it, I thought it was great, but it's like, “How do they come up with it?” I don't know if I could have.   Larry: We're very glad that other people can't do it; otherwise, we'd be out of work.    Sharon: If somebody says to you, “What does the firm specialize in?” do you have an area you specialize in?   Larry: I'm not sure about the word specialize. We do a lot of work with professional services firms. We understand how they function and how they work. We work with dozens and dozens of law firms and accounting firms, helping them craft their position, understand the brand and keep it in front of clients.    Ballard Rosenberg is a firm out here in the Valley. We keep them in front of their clients by keeping them in the business journals every month. For other firms, we'll get them on television. For others, we'll put them on KCRW radio. For us, it's helping our clients manage their brand. For others, it's evolved into websites and doing some social media for them. I think nowadays people are so busy, it's difficult to keep up with everybody. The key is keeping our clients front and center in the minds of their clients so when a need comes up, they remember them.   Brad: And I should say we don't do only professional services. We just happen to be very good at it. Professional services, especially with law firms, they bring their own special challenges, and we've learned to work around those things. You often hear that working with law firms is like herding cats. We've gotten pretty good at herding cats, but we handle many other firms. Our newest onboard is an AI and machine learning company. It couldn't be any more different than law firms, and the approach is very different from law firms, but again, we're looking for that story, that one thing they do best.   Sharon: How would you say that working with professional services firms is different than working with a products firm, let's say?   Brad: It's super different, because with professional services firms—I don't mean this in a negative way, but there's a lot of ego involved because it's personal. You're talking about selling the people. With a product, you can get some distance in between them. I can go to a CEO or marketing group in a firm and say, “Hey, your product is this and that. Here's the audience. Here's how they're going to respond.” There's some objectivity you can bring to that.    With professional services firms, it's very, very personal, especially when you get in a room with three, four, five partners of a law firm. They all have opinions. They're all valid, but they're all personal. Imagine taking five lawyers at a law firm out to purchase one car. You'd come back with a motorcycle. They have very strong opinions. They're always very articulate. They're very bright folks, so they all have valid opinions. Trying to get to a consensus is oftentimes difficult, as opposed to a product that stands on its own. Instead of telling a story about the product, you're telling a story about the people at the firm, and you have to get them over that hurdle. The firm itself has a brand and that brand stands for something. If you can get to that point, they can put their own personal biases aside and do what's best for the firm, but that's a challenge sometimes.    Sharon: I'm sure that's a challenge if you're dealing with ego. How do you overcome that? If you have a managing partner who feels one way and a senior associate feels differently, or if you're talking to an equity firm and the driver feels they're going one way and the other people are going another, how do you overcome that?   Larry: It's a great question. It's challenging. You can start by listening. Hopefully, we can spend the first meeting or two really listening and coming back to them with a creative brief that says, “Based on all the input we've received, this is what we're hearing. This is the direction to go in. Do we all agree on this?” We'll never start a design, whether it's a logo or a website or an ad campaign, until we understand who we're talking to, what we're trying to say, what our goals are. We try to get them all on the same page. That's the first hurdle.   The second hurdle is when you show creative. Creative is subjective in nature. People like blue, but they hate green, and they like flowers, but they don't like butterflies. Who knows? With that subjectivity, we try to bring objectivity to this process by saying, “Based on what we heard, this works well for you. Here's why these colors work well. Here's why these graphics work well. Here's why this typestyle works well.” We bring objectivity and some rationale behind the design, but again, you can look at a painting and you can love it or hate it. It may be a Rembrandt, but you may still hate it. It's hard, and you just take time. Sometimes these projects will go on for months and months because they're debating in-house or they're busy. We do our best to keep moving things along and trying to get to a final answer.   Brad: In addition to that, I think it's partly common ground. If you have a lot of partners and they all have strong opinions, it's sitting down long before any creative and discussing likes and dislikes, because personal likes and dislikes are every bit as valid as any other design criteria. In talking with you as long as possible, we try and pick out the common ground they all agree on to start with and then build outward from there. We build on the common ground and the trust that's been created in the initial discussions. Then that's where, as Larry was saying, we try and make it as objective as possible in a very subjective industry. That's one of the biggest challenges about being in advertising.    Sharon: I bet it's a challenge with a lot of professional service industries. Are you ever the order takers, as we sometimes get accused of being? Do people call you and say, “We need a new website,” and you go in thinking, “O.K., let's look at the website. We may not need everything new.”   Larry: I would say definitely not. In fact, we've lost business in the past by saying, “This is not what you need.” I feel like our responsibility is to talk to the client and say, “Based on your goals, here's what we suggest.” Now, if you want to ignore that, O.K., we can do what you're asking us to do. But I'll always give a client our best advice right up front, because otherwise I don't think we'll be successful in the long term, and they won't be successful. That doesn't work for us.    Most of our clients we've had now for, some of them, five, 10, 15 years. I think they know we will make the hard call and give them good advice. We may not be so popular, but I think in the long run, it serves them well. We try very hard to avoid being order takers. We always say, “If you ask for this, we'll give you that, but here's what we think you should do as well. Here are both options for you.” I always want to feel good that we gave the client the best thinking we could, even if they want to make a bad decision. That's up to them, but I want to give them an option and say, “Here's another way of going. What do you think?   Brad: We will never do only what the client asks for. I don't want that to be taken wrong, but if they ask for something very specific, if they've got something in their mind they want to get out and see how it looks, we're happy to help them with that process. But we're always going to give another opinion or two about a possible better way to get them thinking in larger spheres or in different directions.   Sharon: Do you think it's possible to rebrand? If everybody has a brand in their mind, is it possible to change that?   Brad: Oh, absolutely. Brands evolve constantly. If you look at the big brands, the Apples and Cokes of the world, they're constantly evolving and changing and staying current. We do that very often. We just finished a project for Enenstein Pham & Glass, a great law firm over the hill in Century City. They wanted to tighten the name up to EPG. We had a great project we did with them. We redid the logo and updated collateral materials.    I think firms constantly need to be responsive to the changes in the marketplace. They need to stay fresh. Law firms oftentimes say to us, “We don't need a website because nobody checks our website.” Well, the truth is when you're hiring, that's the first place they go. We've been working with a lot of our law firm clients and accounting clients so their site is designed in part to attract young talent, to bring people on board. Your website is your calling card. It's your office. Everybody goes there and checks it out just to validate who you are. Oftentimes, you have to understand who is going there. If you are looking to hire, which every accounting firm we know of right now is looking desperately to hire talent, that's where talent goes. They check out your site and get a sense of who you are.    Larry: And to see if it's some place they want to join. The better the candidate, the better the website should be to impress in both directions. Most people think of a website as outbound. I don't get new business from my website, especially in professional services. It's usually word of mouth. But they're always going to validate, and that validation has to be up to date. It has to be modern. It has to be credible for every law firm, and everybody knows this.    For 20 years, the professional services industry has been going through upheaval after upheaval because it came from a time when law firms, if they advertised, they were shysters. Now more than ever for law firms, you have to think about marketing and social and putting your best face forward. That's a huge turn of events, and I think some law firms are still having trouble getting used to that idea.   Sharon: Do you think that in any professional service there's room for traditional advertising, for print, for newspaper ads or magazine ads? Is there room for that?   Larry: Oh, sure. I think they all complement each other. As I said, for Ballard Rosenberg, we keep them current. They represent companies in employment law cases. So, for that firm, we keep them in front of the L.A. Business Journal, the San Fernando Valley Business Journal and some other publications where businesses are looking, where CEOs are reading those publications. I think there's definitely room for that.    For other clients—I'll give you an example. With direct mail, people think, “Why would you use direct mail for a law firm?” Well, we've got a number of law firms who don't want to do traditional advertising, which I completely respect. They have a list of 5,000 clients they've worked with over the past 10 years who they don't normally talk to. We put together a concept called an annual review. It's an annual report that goes out, basically. It's not the financials, but it's a yearend review on what happened at the firm this past year. It talks about cases they've won and publicity and pro bono work and new hires. It's a lovely booklet, and it goes out at the end of the year to 5,000 clients. Suddenly, it's a non-advertising way to get in front of all those clients you've had in the past, remind them of who you are, remind them of the exciting things going on at your firm and why they should do business with you.    We've done this for a number of firms and they've gotten tremendous response. People say, “I love this. I get an update on what's happening at the firm.” It's a very non-solicitous advertising piece, but it still an advertising piece because it communicates what's going on. It's a communication tool. I think it's traditional because it's direct mail, but it's been tweaked a little bit to be more contemporary. All these things combine to deliver an impression to your clients.    Sharon: That's interesting. Given the amount of direct mail I receive, my first reaction to what you're saying is, “Who would do direct mail today for any kind of marketing?” But I guess a lot of people do.   Larry: I think the key is to do it well. I agree with you. You get a lot of crap in the mail. 90% of it is garbage. Our job is to make sure that whatever we do, like that x-ray we did for Harry Nelson years ago, it's got to stand out. We've done those campaigns for law firms. We have a lot of nonprofits we work with. Whenever Brad and I do a direct mail campaign, we always push the pedal to the metal on creative. How out there can we be to get some attention, whether that's headlines, colors, different sizes, different materials? Brad and I have sent things out in tubes before.    Brad: Even bubble wrap.   Larry: The direct mail piece was sent out in bubble wrap because they were an insurance company. It was about protecting yourself, so it went out in bubble wrap. People went nuts. They were like, “This is so creative. I had to open it. I got a piece of bubble wrap in the mail. I had to open it up and see what was inside. You got me. I gave you the 10 seconds to read it.” So, I think the trick is to get creative.   Sharon: That makes a lot of sense. Brad, when it comes to picking the right photo, you did a little booklet on your website. What do you think about when it comes to picking the right photo? What do you both think about?   Brad: Actually, that one was very specific. That wasn't actually about photo composition choice. We tried to educate our clients about aspects that are really different with digital advertising. The biggest problem we've had over the last five, six years is responsive web design. Every screen has a different ratio, a different dimension, a different pixel count, and website elements move depending on how big the screen is. Most people think of websites as the old desktop publishing page layout, where you put everything in. Then, if you want to move it around, it's going to stay exactly the same, like a print piece. The web is not that way at all anymore. It is completely data-driven and responsive to the screen size. It's a phone up to a 32-inch monitor. It still has to lay out properly, but it's not the same.    So, we had this issue with photos. People would pick the exact cropping of a photo they liked, and it would have things on the edges and the corners of the photo that were very important to the composition. When we put it in the website, when the website responsive design would change for different screen sizes, the photos would crop differently and something that was important on the edges would get cut off. It's a very difficult concept to understand, that even a webpage looks different on every screen. It's a difficult concept for everyone to deal with. I know people in the industry who still have trouble with it. So, that booklet was to try and help clients understand that digital technology is not the way it used to be and there are adjustments that need to be made in that area.    In terms of regular composition of photos, we generally do it for the client. We alter it. We choose stock photos, and we work with them to find the photo they like. We are always keeping an eye on the images we give them to make sure they are proper for the branding with their approval. I totally forgot about that being on the website.   Sharon: How do you keep current? As you said, it changes so quickly.   Brad: Neither of us wants to answer that. It is insanely difficult. I personally spend probably eight hours a day in addition to work trying to keep up. I'm not the spring chicken I used to be, and it's getting harder and harder, but I love the industry. In fact, I love the web far more. I grew up on traditional advertising. I've done print. My first job was for a print company, actually, on the presses. I know traditional, but I prefer digital. It's more free flow. It's more creative. Sometimes, when things have a lot of hard parameters, you have to get super creative, and the web has a lot more parameters than print. I love it.    I love being in it, but it's starting to vulcanize a little bit where you need specialists. There are specific SEO specialists now in different areas. Social has become an industry in itself. We used to do it all in-house, and it's starting to get too complicated to do that. So, we find the best we can. We don't do PR, but I love the industry. If I didn't love design and trying to make companies look better, I wouldn't have been doing this for the last 30 years. It's barely better than ditch digging, but I really love it, as an old partner of ours said.   Sharon: You have to love it. You have to bite the bullet, I suppose, to keep abreast of everything.   Brad: Absolutely. Larry, on the other hand, he wants nothing to do with technology. So, we keep him doing what he does best, and we try and educate him as best we can on the fly. But we have developers in-house, we have designers in-house, and all of them have to be more up to date on the nuts and bolts of digital marketing than you did before. It used to be that a designer had to know how to create something that will print correctly, but he didn't have to know how to do the printing. Now, you have to learn a little about coding and what coding platforms there are for web and for social and APIs and all of that stuff. It's getting into the weeds, but once you grasp it, it's actually fascinating. It really is.    Larry: You're talking about technology. Once we thought we had it all figured out and websites were a piece of cake, then the ADA comes along. Now you have ADA compliance issues. You have to really understand what ADA limitations are in terms of fonts and colors and be responsive to that. Technology is always going to be encroaching on the creative aspect. You have to learn how to balance the two of them.   Sharon: I agree with a lot of what you're saying. You do have to balance, and it seems as soon you've learned it all, it changes. Let me ask you before we end, because you did write something about this. How do you know if your logo sucks and what do you do about it?    Larry: That's a tough one. It's hard to go up to someone and tell them their logo sucks. It's like telling them their baby is ugly. They may love the logo or hate it, but if you say something about that, they're going to take it personally. They should take it personally. Your logo represents you and your company, especially in professional services, and very few friends are going to tell you your logo sucks. That's just the way it is. When someone's building a company and building a brand, you don't want to tear them down if you're a friend.    So, the best thing to do is get a third opinion. Get an objective view. Every design firm, every ad agency will be more than happy to do a quick review of your identity. Every marketing design firm is going to have a different opinion about it, but they will be as objective as possible within their preferences. There are design rules that can't be broken. So, if it breaks design rules, the logo needs work.   Brad: Things also just get dated. I'll go back to the Cokes and the Disneys and the Apples of the world. These are companies that don't need to change their logo, yet they do because society evolves. Things change, and you want to look progressive and contemporary. I think even just a logo refresh is a great idea. You don't have to change the whole thing, but maybe bring it up, make it current. Fonts change. Colors change. There are lots of ways to refresh a brand. Plus, it gives you a wonderful opportunity to go back to your clients and say, “Hey, check out our new logo. Same great commitment to service, but a new logo reflecting whatever it is.” It's a nice way to take a new look. It's like painting your house. It gives it a new, fresh look.    Sharon: Larry and Brad, thank you so much for being with us today. You've answered a lot of questions and given us a lot to think about.   Brad: It's a pleasure. It was great.   Larry: Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

Would you dance alone? Would you take a step forward just through instinct? This conversation has everything from creating a sleep routine and sunset alarms, to allowing the universe into your decisions. After this convo, maybe you will dance alone.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How to build a better sleep routineHow to become an invitation for others Can you make a wrong decision? How to include the universe into the choice  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyUse this link to get your Toe Sox!ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the questioning convo I have with Joanna Vargas in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to the interview, feel free to pause this now. Go back and listen to this one that one, then listen to this one. And the ...Brad Crowell  And then join. I'm Brad.Lesley Logan  I'm Lesley Logan. (Brad: Whoa. Just sneak it in.) We're working on this new idea of introducing ourselves at the beginning instead of the end. You know, it didn't occur to me that like it was weird to have the names of the end until I was listening to podcasts where they like, like they say their names of beginning I was like (Brad: Right) "Oh, we don't do that." (Brad: Yeah, maybe we should.) But I mean, it says Be It Till You See It with Lesley Logan. You should know who I am.Brad Crowell  ... you did sort of just introduce me when you mentioned your co host in life, Brad. (Lesley: ... you're introduced. I'm introduced. So I'm covered.Lesley Logan  So I'm the only one who is never introduced because I don't introduce myself on an interview and I don't ... If you're new, let me know if it's confusing as to who I am in any episode. That's what I like to know. Because if it's not then this is not an issue. We can keep moving on. Anyways, we are still in Cambodia. (Brad: Yes.) Which means we are recording this as if it's happening when you're listening to it. But really we're recording it before, we going on a flight. And so I'm I'm I'm manifesting how fucking awesome Cambodia.Brad Crowell  Yeah, right now I am, I am, I'm half, I'm up to my knees in the Cambodian River. No ...Lesley Logan  No, he's not. We don't get in the water.Brad Crowell  ...river. It's gross. (Lesley: We don't get in the water.) But we are probably hiking through a jungle.Lesley Logan  Oh, well, we're supposed to be in a waterfall.Brad Crowell  Well, it's a Thursday ... (Lesley: So we have already ...) But it's Wednesday here. Thursdays? Yeah, yeah, we will be out of what, we might actually literally be at a waterfall while this is happening.Lesley Logan  Yeah, there's a waterfall in Cambodia. And if you are on our retreat, you already know that we're doing this for you. But it's a surprise. (Brad: Surprise) Because we don't usually do the waterfall. If we're a big group, we just can't (Brad: Yeah) there's just not enough time. But with a small group we can. So it's so friggin exciting. And then we come back and Brad goes to Philly. No, we don't, we come back together. (Brad: And we will go to Arizona.) And we go to Arizona. Yeah, then I might to TBD on the actual scene of the Grand Canyon since I have only seen it from a plane. And if you don't know the story in 2018, when I was like, I'm not going to East Coast unless we drive. And so we were in a really tiny SUV and drove cross country. And we were driving through the south and I were going the Grand Canyon. And I said, Brad, I just heard in the bathroom that we're driving in a blizzard that unbeknownst to me, so a little crazy weather but I was just like, I guess this is winter. I'm not from, I'm not from any place, but California. It's the Grand Canyon. You can't miss it.Brad Crowell  It's like you can see it from space. It's the Grand Canyon.Lesley Logan  Let me just tell you, y'all. It was a whiteout. You could not, you could, I don't know how to show you this because this is a podcast and I also don't have to show it to you on YouTube because we're not putting it here. But maybe Amanda can post on the @be_it_pod Instagram, the pictures of me seeing the Grand Canyon in real life for the first time with my feet on the ground. You can't fucking see the Grand Canyon. (Brad: Yeah) Not even on the near side. Even we like tilted it like look, here's the Grand Canyon 10 feet from us. You can't see it. So it's like run because I'm not getting snowed in this place.Brad Crowell  I know it was coming down so hard. It was literally like if we don't move right now we might not be able to leave.Lesley Logan  Yeah, yeah. So at any rate, um, the hope is that I get to camp one night at the Grand Canyon. And then we come back (Brad: Yeah.) And Brad leaves me to go to the Thanksgiving at his parents place and see his grandfather and (Brad: Yeah) his family. And then he comes back and I leave for Dallas, Texas with Erika Quest.Brad Crowell  Yeah ...Lesley Logan   And then we come back, I come back, and then we drive to Texas.Brad Crowell  Yeah then we ... (Lesley and Brad laughs) Yeah, you come back out. You're we're here for less than a week. And then we hit the road.Lesley Logan  If I did want to see New Mexico and I and I had a way to like have my own place in Dallas for 10 days. I probably just stay there but that's not really I really want to see New Mexico. So anyway, I'm coming back. So it's a very busy winter for us. And it's because we're going on tour. But just to go back if you are like, "Wait, you're gonna be in Dallas with Erika Quests?" Yes, we are. And to be honest, how can you get on that? (Brad: You're gonna have to DM us.) You gotta DM me because the reality is is well ...Brad Crowell  Well you there for some workshops.Lesley Logan  I'm there for some workshops. It's only workshop. We are teaching classes on the tour. We'll be back in Dallas at each class on the tour. But the space is very limited. And so you got to hit me up to get this special link.Brad Crowell  I think Dallas will be teaching class on like 13th, 14th or 15th of December, I can't ever exactly ...Lesley Logan  One of those is Dallas and one of those is Houston. (Brad: Right.) Yeah.Brad Crowell  Yeah. So anyway, stay tuned.Lesley Logan  But the workshops, let me just like be like really quick like, toot my own horn. It's my fucking podcast, its what we do. But Erika Quest and I, are teaching how classical and where classical and contemporary collide, which is not where we compare classical and contemporary exercises, we actually are colliding them together. It's a really fun, empowering workshop. We are, we did it in Chicago, we're making it a four hour workshop this time. So we're super excited. And then the next day, she's got a really fun workshop going on. And then I go solo on like building your tower up, because so many people are like, how do I make a tower class? So I'm super excited the first time I'm gonna teach this workshop. (Brad: Cool) I love building tower classes up. This is where I get created. (Brad: Yeah) So we're doing that. There's anything that interests you and you are in the Dallas area, you can hit me up. And if you are wanting to work out with me in Dallas or Houston, then you should hit me up anyways, because I'm the only one who has these links. (Brad: There you go.) Do we have a question?Brad Crowell  Yes ... So we got, we've love this question kind of was a spinoff from the question from the last recap. So ... (Lesley: Oh, way to go team.) And the reason is because I actually had a whole conversation with one of our retreaters about the ... of the idea, the process of falling asleep. And she said, I have trouble sleeping, I can climb into bed, and I leave myself enough time. But then I find that I'm I just can't sleep, I can't sleep. And so I asked her like, "Okay, why? Are you, are you thinking?" And she's like, "Yes, I'm totally thinking the whole time. And I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I'm thinking and I'm not sleeping, sleeping, sleeping instead. And ...Lesley Logan  And by the way, thinking when I'm not sleeping, and looking at your clock makes it worse, don't look at the clock, don't count down.Brad Crowell  So I have spent a lot of time studying sleep, which is ironic because I don't sleep very much. And it's ...Lesley Logan  I am making him sleep more because (Brad: It's a constant battle.) I need him to live as long as me or longer. I don't wanna be the first to go.Brad Crowell  And one of what I figured out, I'm just gonna let you keep saying those things. That's great. I love you and I'm not dying. But the point is, the point is for me, for me, and probably for most, sleep is actually a decision. Okay, so the problem with the thinking is that you have not decided to sleep.Lesley Logan  Oh, that's interesting. I think that's true. Because how many times are you talking to me and I in the middle of a sentence, I just, I'm asleep. (Brad and Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell  Hey love that so great that we're gonna .... you're asleep. So so like, you get in bed, because you have to get in bed. It's an obligation, Okay, I better go to sleep now. Instead, it's like, I got to do it, because I have to do it right now. And, you know, instead of the idea that I am going to sleep. When you can hear that in the background. Our dog is literally digging up the new carpet that's she uses for workout. (Lesley: The new, new carpet.) The new carpet (Lesley: And so...) that she's deciced it's not comfortable enough. And she's pulling it off the floor.Lesley Logan  It's not comfortable. I don't care. It's a beautiful rug. Brad Crowell  Yeah. Anyway, the point is, you know, there are a handful of tips that I can absolutely recommend. That will allow you to go to sleep the and there's a bunch of stats, the average person takes seven minutes to fall asleep. The tips that I can give you are this, if you find yourself thinking, thinking, thinking, remember you are not only are you going to make a decision of when you fall asleep, but you're going to make a decision of when you're going to wake up. Okay? Because this is going to help you not sleep through your alarm, which I'm so good at doing. But when I make the actual decision, I literally say to myself, tomorrow I'm gonna get up at 8:30 or 7:15 or 6:53, it doesn't matter. But if I specifically say I'm going to get up at x time, then when that clock rolls around, I actually do it. I actually get out of bed. If I don't literally say I'm gonna get up at x time. When that alarm goes off. I'm like, "Oh, I'm probably okay to sleep for another 10 minutes." Right. And then I sleep 20 minutes. So there's decisions that are being made here. So but there are some suggestions that I can make for you about actually stopping your mind from spinning. Get a pen and paper put it next to your bed every time you have a thought. What we talked about in the last episode is that you're probably worried you're going to forget something you have to do. So write that thing down. Now you can give yourself permission not to try to remember that you don't need to remember it is written down, you can now relax. Because you're not stressed that you have to remember this, that stress is going to keep your mind going. So that you remember to do the thing tomorrow, don't forget, right? So that's a huge thing. If you are an ideator, like me, when I go to sleep, I've what I used to find myself, like, that's when I was writing a new song. I don't know why, why is that the time I don't know. But that's when my brain is like, "Wow, I got this really cool idea." I would then record a voice memo on my phone. So then again, I don't have to try to remember it, because I won't remember it. And that stresses me out. And then I would stay away, try to remember it. Right. Another thing you can do is focus on your breathing. Okay, and the breathing in through the nose. And it could be out of the nose or mouth.Lesley Logan  It should be in and out through the nose for sleep. It's grounding.Brad Crowell  Yeah. But the what when you create an even breath, in and out through your nose, I find it allows my mind to wander and the wandering, not the thinking. The wandering is actually my secret sauce for how I go to sleep. I literally put myself in my own movie in my head. Okay.Lesley Logan  I can't wait to tell you about how I fall asleep because we have a different way to fall asleep.Brad Crowell  I put myself in my own movie in my head, where I'm the, I'm either like the lead character or I'm falling along as like, third party, but I'm envisioning the scenery. I'm feeling it, smelling it, seeing it, like I'm actually in an environment that I'm creating. And I let my mind continue to create that, that environment and that scene and that thing that's happening. And literally, I find myself dreaming about that.Lesley Logan  I love these things. (Brad: Yeah) They're all really helpful. A couple things. There are tons of studies about sleep you like if you ever hear me talk about ideal schedule. The first thing I'm going to tell you that goes in your schedule is when you go to bed when you wake up, when you go to bed, and when you wake up. You, I don't care what else you think is the most precious thing. I don't care if it's your amazing children, I don't care if it's brilliant job, I don't care, I don't care. I don't care how much it pays you. When do you go to sleep and when you wake up is the first thing goes in your calendar. And it's very important. Because there's so much that sleep is in charge that you cannot be it till you see it if you aren't sleeping. And I promise you this because if you're not sleeping, you're not going to prepare your body for digestive cycle. If you don't go through digestive cycle, you don't absorb nutrition, if you don't absorb nutrition, it doesn't matter how (Brad: Stress) positive you are, you have high stress, you'll stop producing stomach acid, your B12, your vitamin D, your absorption rates are gonna go down. You can be the most positive person in the room and you'll become the most depressed person in the room ... (Brad: How do you know this?) Because it was me. (Brad laughs)Brad Crowell  Actually ... it became a vicious cycle (Lesley: Yeah) because she ...Lesley Logan  I had stomach issues which causes sleep issues. Which cause stomach ...Brad Crowell  And sleep issues cause stomach issues. Right. So it was now the chicken or the egg.Lesley Logan  Yeah, and it was, it was, it was insane. So Arianna Huffington has a book called Sleep. Cuz home girl probably should read this book. Home girl also was like, "I'll sleep when I'm dead." (Brad: Yeah, that's literally I used to say. I'll sleep when I'm dead.) She broke her jaw of her nose. She broke her face because she ... she had her head like her face on her hand. And she was reading and she literally slipped and her whole face hit the desk. (Brad: Yeah.) And she broke her body. (Brad: Yeah.) So she ended up studying sleep. And there's a lot of things you can do. First of all, a sleep routine. And this is really important, just like a morning routines important, a sleep routine is actually really important. You could, you you should sleep in the same clothes or as close to the same clothes as possible every night. This is going to help you so like literally it's just sleeping. So unless you're sweating, like you probably wear your sleep clothes a couple of times a row or by by five of them and like habit there and so you have the sleeper ... do your brushing teeth, face washi whatever your stuff is in the same order at night, it will literally prepare your brain for sleep because it no... "Oh, when I do this, I go to sleep." So it's it's the same as like training an animal. Like there's these things that happen and then your brain goes okay, like's routines. Second, you should not be looking at your screens, ideally two hours before sleep but like please, please, please at minimum one hour. One hour before bed, my dog and my dog is a little loud. (Brad: He's growled up.) I know. Because I'm waking up his sleep. (Brad: Yeah.) So one hour before bed, no screens. It's like, I cannot tell you how many studies are out there. Like literally ladies who are in love with Huberman. He even says it. Okay, so if you're not going to take my word for it, if you're looking for a handsome doctor, he says it. So it's really really important. That is why if you missed the last recap episode, you heard me say my phone doesn't come with my dog walk. Because that actually gives me at least 90 minutes before bed sometimes two hours before I go to bed to go, one of my sleep routines is actually fall asleep to the same music every night. How do I do this? My phone's not with me. Guess what? Google Voice, Google Play, whatever, Siri, all these things are amazing. You all technology to do this. I literally just press play on it. If we want to walk, it's playing in the room. So when I walk into the room, the room is already set up for sleep. And it goes off at a certain time. If I said that, that's a new thing I have to have have happened. But ...Brad Crowell  But also you can talk to Google Home. (Lesley: Yeah, I just thought ...) And you can say hey, (Lesley: turn the music off) yeah, turn off the music in 25 minutes ... I also have a sunrise alarm clock. And just so that you understand she actually keeps her phone in the living room. And then it's Bluetooth through the wall, to our Google Home speaker in the bedroom. And then so she sets it playing the mute her sleep music before we go into dogwalk. Then we walk for I don't know, an hour, and then we come home. And then she has her sleep routine. And once she's climbed into bed, the music's still been playing this whole time. Then she tells Google, turn it off and you know, 25 minutes (Lesley: Yeah) or 15 minutes or whatever. And ...Lesley Logan  Yeah, I like to give myself a little, I like to give myself more time than I know that I need because there's nothing more stressful than the music going off because I fall asleep and you're like ...Brad Crowell  But how do you wake up with your alarm (Lesley: Okay) on your phone and it's in the other room? How does that work?Lesley Logan  So I have a sunrise alarm clock that by the way also has a sunset thing. This is also a proven thing and I am not a napper, I hate fucking napping. But I've had a nap occasionally. And I use my sleep routine to help me nap. So I have on the music that I play. And then by the way, I hate to go on a plane I have the same music as downloaded to the phone so that if I'm on a plane, I can play it, so I can get some amount of sleep on a plane because I freakin hate sleeping sitting up. But I have this sun set alarm at sunsets on me even for a nap. And then a sunrise I set the sunrise to go and the room just gets brighter in my face. And I wake up and I don't wake up groggy, I wake up like it's time to get I can't even hit snooze. Even when I want to, I sometimes like I don't really need to get up on the via rebel like Brad I'mma snooze this. I can't, every time I try, I'm like, fuck I sneak it up.Brad Crowell  We will put a link to this sunset or the sunrise sunset alarm (Lesley: This people should ...) in the show notes because it's it's a really cool device. And when Lesley goes out of town, I will literally sleep on her side of the bed and use this to wake up. It's pretty cool.Lesley Logan  It's so cool. I'm obsessed with it. And we stay at the Vidar Hotel. And by the way they had and I was like, (Brad: Yeah) "Oh my God, the hotel has my alarm, my alarm lamp. And that's amazing." So asleep routine is going to help you go to sleep as why I don't even take seven minutes. I take 13 seconds. (Brad: Yeah) I'm like out. (Brad: She's like, out.) And by the way, I'm out he can pull the air pods out of my ear for the podcast. (Brad: Exactly.) And I don't even move. I don't even know what happened. I like don't I didn't even know that I fell asleep when we're talking. So and this comes from someone who slept three hours a night for many, many years. So I I'm not saying this from someone who's always had a good time sleeping. That's not who I am. I never napped as a child. My parents hated it because they are nappers and they're like just sit in your room. So so please please please if you need scientific evidence, check out Huberman podcast on sleep. Check out Arianna Huffington spoke on Sleep.Brad Crowell  We'll also link to both of those things in the show notes.Lesley Logan  Yeah. Have a sleep routine. And if anything happens have a sleep routine, it's going to be great. You'll love it, your brain will love you for it and yes to everything Brad said about writing it down and the decisions all that is true. But get away from your screens. But I don't care if your blue light blue blockers on you know I love those. You have to get off screens and out before bed if you want your brain to stop thinking. Brad Crowell  Okay, now let's talk about Joanna Vargas. (Lesley: She's back.) Serial entrepreneur Joanna Vargas has built two brick and mortar Dance and Fitness businesses and multiple event businesses covering dance, running and more. She brings together over 10,000 people every single year at these events that she hosts. Her podcast teaches women how to live fully by asking questions and being curious so they can live longer and make more money. And she is like a Spitfire lover.Lesley Logan  She Spitfire. We love her. She's got a great course on Profitable Pilates about filling your classes for life. She's just a rock star like she really, really really is. And also I just had to say, I think this is coming out on her birthday, Happy Birthday, Joanna. We couldn't be at your surprise party because we're in Cambodia. (Brad and Lesley laugsh) So anyways, that just came to me. One thing that I love that came up in a story she shared about dancing should be an invitation for others who was dancing alone, inspiring others. So this has led this event with all these women. (Brad: Yeah) And she was out there ...Brad Crowell  ... 200 women, (Lesley: and no one was dancing) And there was a DJ kicking ass, and no one was dancing.Lesley Logan  And we were descending Chicago, and there was a dance floor with an incredible DJ. By the way, I don't even know why I interview him except for just to like, just because I wanted to be his friends. (Brad: He is fancy. He is good.) We have the same shoe. We love sparkles. (Brad: Oh yeah) But he was amazing DJ. (Brad: It was great.) And, of course, no one was dancing by themselves. And no one's danced by themselves. So everyone's like waiting for the crowd to start. And it starts with someone and but Joanna had no other crowd, she just danced by herself. It turned out because she did that she was having a conversation and then getting a gig out of it. And it's by being herself. So she was an invitation for others to do something that was scary. And then it (Brad: Yeah) ended up becoming an invitation for herself.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I mean, I think I think the the, have you ever been in a classroom? And someone else asked the question that you have. And you're like, "Oh, I'm so happy that they asked a question. That was my question." But you didn't want to to ask the question. Well, the person who asked the question was giving, they were being the invitation for you to ask that question. And to be honest, ask other questions too, right. And when you be the invitation for other people, you're you're actually showing that you're a leader, you're you're an authority, you are confident there's all these kinds of things that are that people then look at you they also and and what I thought was interesting about this, Joanna talked about the conversation she had with herself. She's like, these people probably think I'm drunk. I'm dancing alone. Right? How am I am I being the awkward girl right now? And she had to have that mental conversation with herself. Like, you know what? It doesn't matter what they think. I'm, I'm here enjoying this music having a good time.Lesley Logan  Well, and I think that goes to like, it's a be it till you see it kind of thing. Because she was like, "Okay, I'm going to be out there. I feel like doing this, I'm going to do it. I'm gonna just get an answer here until I feel comfortable to dance out here by myself." And, you know, sometimes ...Brad Crowell  That's a character building right there.Lesley Logan  Oh, my God and insane, but like, I, we were at a comedy show. And you could tell that, like, someone had to laugh so other people could feel like, as a ... Am I allowed to laugh at that, like, I gonna laugh . And so I think like, being limitation for others is not only character building, but it's also sometimes the thing that so many people just need to see, they need to see that it's okay to do that. (Brad: Yeah) You know, when we were in Chicago, at Pilates on tour, I was teaching this workshop. And at the end, Erika was like, any last words, I'm like, "Yeah, just like, it's okay to do the best you can." You know, like, it's okay to not be perfect at this. It's okay to, to take a guess sometimes and see where it leads you. If the clients gonna come back the next week. And you could just see everyone go. (Brad: Yeah.) Right. Their shoulders dropped. They exhaled. And, and what happened afterwards with the table. Some goes, "That was the best workshop I ever attended. Is the best workout I've ever attended." And it was a great fuck yeah, it was amazing. I'm great. But I also know because I invited people. (Brad: Yes, you are Babe.) Thank you. (Brad: Yes you are.) Thank you. Toot my own horn. But I also know is because in an everything I do, I really tried to like create an invitation for other people to not be perfect and do the best they can. (Brad: Yeah) It's good enough. It's good enough for today. (Brad: I love that.) What do you love?Brad Crowell  Great. So she had a whole nother conversation about choices that I wanted to weigh in on because she basically said, you can't make a wrong choice. And she said, making a choice creates awareness. Which I thought was very interesting, because conversely, we think we are typically taught awareness creates the quote unquote, "right choice." Okay, so she's saying, make a choice. And then you're gonna have more options. You'll see the options in front of you, as opposed to where like, weigh all the options and then make a choice. (Lesley: Yeah.) Okay. So so,Lesley Logan  I mean, I really do think it comes back to action creates clarity.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I mean, I think the the idea of the weighing all the options first creates analysis paralysis, can create analysis paralysis, right? If you are, if you have, I mean, think about this, this is like classic sales. Three is enough choices. If you have 10 choices in front of you, it's more likely, statistically more likely you will not make any decision, you will make no choice, then if there are three or less choices, two is even better. One is like, okay, then you either take it or leave it, right. But three, you can like mess around with pricing. And like, there's some psychology there. But but you start to get more than that. And it becomes like, I don't actually know what decision to make, because I can't I'm having a hard time comparing them all to each other. So I don't know, what is the quote unquote, "right choice." And anyway, I thought that was really amazing. Because she her argument is, you cannot make a wrong choice.Lesley Logan  Yeah. Well, I completely agree with that. I think so many people are like what if I make the wrong decision. It's like, everything is happening for you. You have to believe that. And I know you're like what, Lesley there's so much shit happening. It's like, it is happening for you. I was homeless. I totaled my car, the studio that I rented from closed, my job transferred me. And it's the best thing that ever happened. (Brad: Yeah) Best way... And then I'm not I'm not saying that I'm happy that the pandemic happened. I am not saying that at all, because so many people lost their lives. But it was so scary flying back from Cambodia, and knowing that my entire year's income was completely shut down. (Brad: Yeah, it was scary.) Like the old because because even teaching in person was there's so much uncertainty who is going to want to do virtual? And if they don't do virtual, then what do we do? And that was the best thing ever happened to us. So having to, to do that. So I just want to tell you like you can't make a wrong choice. She can't be she's so right about that. Because the choice you make is oftentimes like, it's like this gut instinct of like, you want to do like a little nudge, little nudge, do that thing. And then even if it doesn't get you the results you wanted. It's never the worst case of the best case scenario. We've all we've already talked about that it's usually somewhere in the middle. And it brings clarity around what you need to do next, and it takes away a lot of fear.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I think and I was thinking about this a lot, because I was I was trying to, like, come up with some kind of an analogy or comparison. And it made me think all the way back to the the I think episode two with Rob Lowe. No, Rob ...Lesley Logan  Rob Lowe, we've never interviewed him. But Rob Mack is really amazing. (Brad and Lesley laughs) Rob Lowe if you're listening. (Brad: Yeah. Rob Lowe we have to have you on the pod.) Tell me your be it till you see it story. (Brad: Yeah) Well, he has to apply. (Lesley laughs) (Brad: Yeah, we'll consider you.)Brad Crowell  Rob Mack was talking about the staircase. And he said, you pretty much put one step one foot in front of the other here. You know, you might actually see all this staircase, but you still can't get to step 25 until you've gone through step 2 3 4 5. What if you cannot see step 25? What if this is like a video game and you're holding a lantern, and you can't see more than two steps in front of you. You literally don't know what else is happening. And right. So so Joanna's argument here is you still have to take a step, make a decision. When you get one step further, you're going to see oh, what's up there? Maybe there's a fork in the road. Now you have a choice to make left or right. Okay, let's go left. Okay, after you've got left now you have another decision to make.Lesley Logan  Is a choose your own adventure, which you know, I love. You know, I love it a chooser adventure.Brad Crowell  I love it. And honestly, like when you are putting one foot in front of the other that that stops this analysis paralysis, it allows you to continue to move forward, even if you aren't 100% sure. Here's the other thing. Chances are, you can actually turn back and take the right fork if you need to. (Lesley: Well. And can I just say ...) Not always the case, but more often than not.Lesley Logan  Yes. And because we had a couple of Agency members say like, I'm gonna two steps forward one step back, and I hate it. And I'm like, you know, It's not that bad you think who's it for? And then you take a step back and you can look back at like, how did it go? And you can actually decide if you want to take that step forward again, or if you want to go somewhere else.Brad Crowell  Well, it creates more awareness, (Lesley: Yeah) which is exactly Joanna's point. (Lesley: Brilliant.) Yeah. All right. So finally, let's talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Joanna Vargas? Well, she she said to make the demand of you and then ask the universe. Okay. This is a bit woo for me to be quite frank. But, but I think that, well, the way I'm going to interpret this is to make the demand of you, okay? And it's actually kind of very similar to what we were just talking about. When you make a choice, right, then you can evaluate, okay, so make the demand of you. And then and there's belief here in this like, asking the universe, you know, asking God, asking, you know, (Lesley: source) higher power, (Lesley: Yeah) however it is that you see it. The you have to know that you're moving forward with purpose, okay? And that's where it's like, make make a decision, make a choice, and you're applying that to you.Lesley Logan  Well, actually, it's very Pam Grout ish, which is also very law of attraction, which is very Abraham Hicks, which we are very into right now. Morning rampages are the new morning routine. (Brad: Yeah. Awesome.) But um, in Pam Grout's book, she literally says, you have to actually ask for something, you're very specific, which is like making a demand of you. It means it requires you to go, what am I going to ask the universe to show me? And then you have to tell show me, show me it. And then you have to be willing to look for evidence for the universe answering that question. And ... something Scoble Shah, we talked about her a couple episodes ago, but she has that same thing in her book. And on my phone, so I can't tell what it is. But anyways, she's got a great book, go back to a couple episodes, you can tell what is in the comments below. So sorry, I can't remember off the top my head. But anyway, I do. I do think that this is a bit woo, it's also it's also allowing you to go okay, this is the choice I'm going to make. And then I'm going to have the universe participate in this choice, boom. But my biggest takeaway is learning to choose as you go. If you are, if you ever study Talk Less Teach More with me. There's a workshop I did on Level Up MVMT, which is Erika Quests website or if you take eLevate, then you will hear me talk about this. You cannot teach, you cannot talk Pilates into a body, you actually cannot, you actually have to choose exercises that will teach the body what it is that you wanted to do. And how you do that. Sometimes you have to trust your gut. And so that is how I'm interpreting this because it's the that is the actual only place that I feel super comfortable in and actually just going I don't want to be told what exercise to put this from, I can actually listen to my gut and my gut will tell me. And here's what is so cool about that. You don't do how you do one thing that you everything. So if I can actually just lean into that. (Brad: Say that one more time.) How you do one thing is how you do everything. How you want your Pilates mat is how you are like, if you judge yourself in a Pilates mat that you're judging yourself all over the place. So what I get to know to be true is when I am teaching Pilates, I do trust my gut. I really do. When I get in the moment, when I get out of my head and I get into the session when I'm teaching someone. I literally am like listening to like what I'm being like these little thoughts in my head, call me to do right. So I know that I can do this in other things I really do. And when I'm in a when I'm in a not a perfectionist state is actually really easy to do that. (Brad: Sure) I do love this question, will it create more or less in my life because I asked myself something similar when I was in Brazil. I wanted to I was told I should go hang gliding (Brad: hang gliding) hang gliding over the to hook a forest, to hook a forest. I think it's what it's called. It's beautiful forest.Brad Crowell  Near the statue. Near the very famous statue ... Lesley Logan  Yeah and you go over the river. And by the way, (Brad: Rio), it's a Rio, Rio de Janeiro. And you they don't teach you how to hang glide, just so you know, my guy did. Because I saw he said you see all these people? They're jumping, don't jump that will bring the paraglide down, just run off, run off the end. Like might keep running when those he's like yes, I do. And we land. You're going to keep running and I'm like, Oh my God." But before I did it, I was kind of out of money. And my trip I didn't actually I didn't really have anything on the trip at the first place. But as a flight that I was gonna lose, I had to go. So I was like, will I regret not like when I go home and people ask me how was Rio? What did you do? Will, I regret not hang gliding? Or will I will say no big deal. And I was like I'm gonna I don't have a good enough excuse for not hang gliding. I'm gonna regret this.Brad Crowell  I'm not gonna lie. I would love to do that. (Lesley: Oh, we should do that.) Yeah, but my point is, every time you tell the story, I can see the hang gliding And the adventure and excitement and I think that is brilliant that you did that.Lesley Logan  It's so fun. Y'all we surfed our way in, like, we like literally rode a wave, but above the air of the inertia of the weight onto the ground. And I had a green smoothie, it was so freakin great. And also, my pilot is the pilot with the number one on his name. And he was hired by the today show to do this. So I like really, I mean, like I had the best experience. But it goes back to this question, will it create more or less in my life? So if you are unsure how to trust your gut right now, just ask yourself that question. And that is like, I don't know what that means. Will I regret it like, well, I look back when I'm 100 years old. Will I be like, "I should have have fuckin' done that."Brad Crowell  Yeah.Lesley Logan  And you know let us know. I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell  And, I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan  Thank you so much for being here today. I am so happy to have you as part of our community. This is incredible. (Brad: Yeah) Happy 150th episode. (Brad: woohooo) Happy birthday Jonna Vargas. And to our retreaters. We're having the best fuckin' time with you. (Brad: Yes) We really are. I want to know how you use these. I want you to tag Joanna, tag the @be_it_pod. Send us a DM with your questions, your comments, your concerns. We actually have a survey on the newsletter we send out every week if you're not getting that newsletter. Well, get the newsletter.Brad Crowell  Yeah, go to go to lesleylogan.co. You can join the newsletter there.Lesley Logan  Yeah. And we'll catch on the next episode, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell  Bye for now.Lesley Logan  'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.Brad Crowell  It's written produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli.Lesley Logan  Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing. Brad Crowell  Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. 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Working for yourself is difficult. Working from home is difficult. Finally starting that big idea is difficult. Brad and LL discuss creating workday boundaries, giving yourself permission to be off, and using the Pomodoro Method for increased productivity.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How to switch off from "business thinking" after hoursSetting boundaries in your work day Give yourself permission to be offThe importance of bridging to create changeThe steps of the Pomodoro MethodEpisode References/Links:Learn about the Pomodoro Method!Get on the waitlist for retreats  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyUse this link to get your Toe Sox!ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the evolving convo I have with Lindy Nowak in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to interview, feel free to pause this now, go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us. And by the way, last time Brad and I did a recap. We realized that we actually kind of like introduce ourselves, or at least I'm only introduced at the very end. (Brad: Oh, yeah.) So hello, I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan  And I don't really know how we changed that intro, but um, we'll think about it. (Brad: We will.) We'll consider it.Brad Crowell  It'll be and welcome back to the episode. And I'm Brad and I'm sitting across my lovely, Lesley Logan. (Lesley: That's right ...) It maybe will be like that. (Lesley: I don't know.) Y'all can vote. You just tell ... tell us if I should introduce us or if she should introduce ...Lesley Logan  Hey, it's my kind, it's kind of like ... We'll think about it. Well, it's it's the thought that counts. (Lesley laughs) Alright. (Brad: Thanks, babe.) So as you are listening to this, we are in Cambodia. We are at our house in Siem Reap Cambodia and hopefully on a water village tour. So we are totally recording this early but we're going to act like as we're happening now.Brad Crowell  Happening right now, this second. Lesley Logan  So we're just really super excited for to be in Cambodia, to be honest, like I'm jonesing for this and I have not had to actually make sure that my clothes fit in a check on on like on our carry on only bag in two and a half years. So, it's so also gonna be interesting (Brad: It's been since March 2020) Yeah. I've been ... (Brad: for you) because we'd been road tripping. So I'm like, load up the van. (Brad: Yeah.) But ...Brad Crowell  She's like, "I'll just put all my shoes in this other bag." (Lesley: I'm gonna take ...) That's a massive bag.Lesley Logan  Yeah, but I need all the tennis shoes because I can have them. It's gonna be fine. It's like an old hat. I'll figure it out. It'll feel really good. But if you are like, "I missed this one." You did. You totally missed this retreat. And so you should sign up for the waitlist because we will come one time next year on a retreat. And Brad is looking at that link.Brad Crowell  It's actually lesleylogan.co/retreats.Lesley Logan  Perfect. So I'm really, really excited about that. And I actually am still kind of coming off of the excitement of our in person business retreat. I just wanted to say a big shout out to some people. Thank you Mai for being an amazing speaker. Thank you Girl Squad for being an amazing photographer. Thank you to the Intelligent Change people who did this five minute journal, because you gave all of our retreaters, a five minute journal. Yeah, they did ... (Brad: Big shout out) big shout out. Also to Bronze Cafe for keeping us full with your amazing, amazing, amazing food, to Main Street Provision. I feel like I'm accepting an award but really I'm keeping (Brad laughs) that one. Saying all these thank yous and I just wanted to say that because we didn't have a chance before the retreat to actually do that, since we didn't have all of the goodness in our hands to shout out to those people. So big, big, big thank you. You did miss out on all the Profitable Pilates retreats if you were not at the two that we had this year. And (Brad: Ang guess what?) we're not having one in 2023 (Brad: True.) We're like making that a firm decision, even though I frickin love it so much. (Brad: And it's so good.) And I may do a 2.0 situation with the people who already came, but it might still have to be in early 2024. And we're ...Brad Crowell  And that was probably going to be invite only. (Lesley: It's going to be invite only. Yeah.) So you know, there's a there's an opportunity here to get on the waitlist. Here's the deal. Tell if you are interested in coming to Vegas to do a business retreat. You can tell us by getting on the waitlist for that profitablepilates.com/retreats. Plural. Okay, retreats, plural. That's how we'll know if you're interested in joining retreat with us here in Vegas. And right now we're looking at 2024. (Lesley: Yeah) So you know, it's gonna be a while but that's okay.Lesley Logan  Yeah, it's I mean okay. And you know what, you can still coach with us? (Brad: Yeah. Totally.) A lot of it's happening live just not in our house over at Agency, which is profitablepilates.com/agency. (Brad: That's right.) Anyways, (Brad: I love it.) we had an audience question to respond to.Brad Crowell  We totally did. It was a really great question. And I'm super glad we got this because this is actually something that Lesley and I struggled with, to be honest. (Lesley: Yeah.) How do you switch off from quote, unquote, "business thinking" is the main question and here's a little bit of background. I love being entrepreneurial and my approach to my business. I have my studio and office at home. And at times, I feel like I'm always working. I'm just always working. I'm juggling life at home, with my head occupied in my business most of the time. Does anybody else struggle with this? How do you shut off from your business in the evenings or during family time, or just on a lazy Sunday when your mind won't let you rest?Lesley Logan  I mean, this is amazing. It's one of our listeners of one of our agents members, he asked us and so when I gave her tips, I think I list out eight different ideas. (Brad: Wow) And I wrote, yeah, I did. I'll share them with you after you go first. But I will ... I was like, I was like, thinking things. I was like, sometimes I have to literally leave the house like, go shopping. Like I have to get out. I have to get away from everything. And that is when I've had the most laziest Saturdays. It's been when we're not here. And we're just like, doing things that people do in normal life like ... So I'm like, (Brad: Yeah.) "Wow, look how lazy I'm been." (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell  Well, you've nailed it. Like, there's a couple, like the thing that I noticed, because I've been working from home. Since 2010, and on and off, but like it, that was the first time I ever did it. And the biggest struggle that I had was my, my apartment was small. So I only had one space, and that space was either, I'm working in there, but I'm also hanging out in there. I'm also eating in there. I'm also like, it was where I lived. So you know what ended up happening over time was, I was if I was in that space, my mind was in work mode. And so at night, I couldn't, I was always thinking about work. And when we moved years later, we moved to Vegas, the biggest thing for me was priority having an office, like have to have an office because it allowed me to dedicate a an environment like you were just talking about to when I'm in this room, I'm working, I'm intentionally working, this is not what I'm relaxing. I'm not watching TV in here, I'm not reading a book in here. This is me working. If I'm not in this room, meaning I go into the kitchen, maybe even for lunch, okay, I'm now at the kitchen table, I'm actually enjoying life, I'm watching a thing, or I'm listening to a pod, or I'm eating my lunch or whatever, and I'm not working. And so when you when you associate your work with a space, it will allow you to more easily quote unquote, "change hats." Right? No, you still have to be giving yourself permission. Okay, because ultimately, it's not like, you can't beat yourself up over this, like, "Oh, I'm thinking about work again." But really what it is, is giving yourself permission to, to not work. Okay. And that's the that's the thing, like as an entrepreneur, that's a really hard part.Lesley Logan  That's really great permission to not work.Brad Crowell  Yeah. (Lesley: Boom, right there.) Yeah. And I struggle with that, you know, like, we have a team, I feel obligated to make sure that the business is moving forward, we're always bringing in money, we can meet payroll, all those kinds of things. And when when I'm stressed, if I'm highly stressed, I, I really have a hard time not working. And my, my, my environment, it's even more important for me because, you know, I, it's unhealthy to just work, work, work, work work. And so it's really important to dedicate, focus and stress in one space. And then when I'm out of that, I have to like, actually go, "I'm just going to eat dinner now."Lesley Logan  Yeah, so agreed. And it's, you know, it also is hard if you both of you are entrepreneur, so it ... (Brad: Yeah, that's were we struggle.) If you are the only one who's entrepreneurial in your household, that's like actually kind of nice, because you just need to have to sit down with your family and like have a code word like banana. So when you start to work, and it's not a quick note to yourself, because you had an idea, because you will have ideas like that's the hard part, you will have ideas around. Like you'll see a billboard and you'll be off this thing, you'll go to a farmers market, like, "Oh, I love this logo. Oh, I could do this and have an idea." So you can quickly voice memo yourself or send yourself an email or something like that. But then if you kept going, if you start to write a whole blog post around what your idea was, then they show to go whatever the code word has just like snap you back out of it. And that's okay. Like you have to also give yourself it's going to be okay, like you said, not get mad at yourself, if you do start to think about work. The other thing is, is that there are so many apps today, so many apps today that will actually turn things off that you can't have access to. So I would the book is Indistractable by Nir Eyal. And he had a ton a ton of like different services that are out there that can like lock up certain apps on your phone, on your computer. So at certain times, you can't use them. Something that we had my assistant do is come over and get on my phone and literally set up different types of DNDs. So there is an apple it's like the focus mode. Right. So I have the hard Do Not Disturb which somehow Brad still can get through which sometimes you hear on the podcasts. Sorry lovesBrad Crowell  I'm waking it ... if you're watching on YouTube.Lesley Logan  He needs to go on a phone call, my tax ... it, I don't hear that. But I'm the, then we have I have a work one, which allows people on my team who have my phone number to get through to me, but no one else. And then there's like other ones you can have, right? So and those can actually be set to automations. So that you can actually, you don't think about it, the work one will come on at a certain time every day and at a certain time, to sleep on will come on a certain time and in a certain time. So like, you can actually have those in place. A couple other ideas, I actually have this few work apps on my phone as possible, I have to do social media for work. But those all those accounts are in one folder. And I don't have any red dots on any of them. So I'm not tempted to go check Facebook, on a non workday, I only check it when I'm working. (Brad: Yeah) So these are some other things you can do. And then and then I love that we can close the door to our office. I also love like closing my computer, there's certain things you can do this, if I'm no longer working, like maybe you need a sign like one of the girls on Agency that we coz she lived and worked in her same space is that she actually had an open and closed sign. So she flipped the sign open when she walked in because she's open for business. And then she would close it as like a physical thing. So it really is ...Brad Crowell  I know you also have like on your actual calendar, end of workday. (Lesley: You did say that.) You literally input in the your workday around 4:30 or 5 o'clock, whatever. Yeah.Lesley Logan  Yeah. I have that. I also have no like an app thing that comes up, no appointments. I have, all these things are in place to protect myself from myself.Brad Crowell  Right. Totally. And also, like when we take our evening walks. We used to like chit chat about business, the whole walk. And what we realized is we never actually leave time for ourselves to just be together and walk and listen to a pod or just talk or whatever. But as soon as it starts to be a brainstorming session, we try to put a pin in it and be like, "Hey, let's talk about that tomorrow." Because otherwise, you know, we could talk about business until you know next day ...Lesley Logan  Well also because not only do we have three businesses but also you coach 145 businesses. So it's like kind of easy to talk about business for anybody anytime but it's true I also bound leave my unless I'm walking the dogs alone. I leave my phone at the house. (Brad: Yeah.) And and that allows only your phone is with us and it's usually paying a podcast that we've decided we both want to listen to and we chitchat about the podcast. (Brad: Yeah.) That's it. So you know it takes practice. We're, it's not a perfect. I'm be real honest. We're not even close. But I do really think the some of it is like giving yourself permission to be off and also being kind to yourself when you're not. And then at whatever you can do to like almost create babysitting things or childproof locks for yourself until it becomes natural for you to just be off on your day off. Yeah, great question. You can send your questions into the @be_it_pod on Instagram. (Brad: Yes.) We love answering them, they can be about anything, they can be about business, they can be about life, dating, dogs. One of ours is snoring in the background. It's cool. Brad Crowell  Okay, now let's talk about Lindy Nowak. Lindy is an entrepreneur that left the New York City career path to begin her own website agency. She knows that each small business deserves a great website that properly meets client's needs, needs and as the founder and leader of upinaday.co. Lindy works to encompass patience and confidence in her business and team. Lesley Logan  I think she's so cool. I really, I really love her drive. I also loved she was so fucking vulnerable and authentic. (Brad: She was.) She was an open book about her struggles, her trials and everything and I love that because that's how we are and I it you cannot be it till you see it if you think that at all anyone is like slaying it overnight. No one is an overnight success. I promise you, I promise you. I dare you to show me someone who literally is an overnight success. What you're showing me is someone who finally got noticed after years of preparation, that meets opportunity period, (Brad: Yeah.) and so I just thought it was really cool.Brad Crowell  Years. (Lesley: Yeah.) Years. (Lesley: Year.) And I think that was great because she she had an expectation of you know, putting her services out there and then just like clients are coming woohoo, and you know now she said it's been two and a half years. And now it feels like they're busy and they have consistency and things are, are beginning to go down that path. But, you know, at first it was like, you know, she's got to fight and, you know, scratch and claw for every single client, like, it's because there's a lot of competition and stuff. And ...Lesley Logan  And I mean, also like, even the companies, even the coaches, even the businesses that you see out there that are like selling programs out there, not just turning on like, okay, everyone can sign up and it sells out. (Brad: Right) Like even us, we have to all year long be building relationships, be building that pipeline, be (Brad: Yeah) building that thing, so that when we do those things, it mostly fills up. And then we work really hard to get the rest. And so I just I just really love that she was so gonna vul... and share all of that, because so many of you have shared with me where you're at in your journey. (Brad: Sure) And it's important that you hear that even the people that you hear on this podcast, even the people that you see out there putting this beautiful social media together, they're working really hard. (Brad: Yeah.) ... they're working really hard. So anyway, one of the things I love that she said is the concept of bridging to create change in your life. You know, I love a good bridge. (Brad: Oh, yeah.) I love a good bridge, I am a great bridge. As at least what people say in the Pilates communities, like, "You're a great bridge." I am. So she talked to a couple of bullet points are creating a bridge between one project and the next, or one business in the next or between your full time job and the business you want to start. And she was talking about running her marketing thing, and then going into Up in a Day. I have bridged many, many times in (Brad: Yeah.) my life, and even including adding this podcast in, and there had to be a bridge to that. So (Brad: Sure), anytime and you're wanting to put something new into your life, there is going to have to be a bridge of time because you're going to have this ideal dream schedule where that thing exists in it. And then you have your current one. And then it's like what negotiations of your time and money to make room for the thing that I want to be the thing that I'm doing.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I mean, I think the idea of just simply, you know, quitting one thing and starting the next thing, the next day is not realistic. You know, it just never seems to happen that way. Typically, you have one foot in and one foot out. And then something happens. Usually you have to make the leap, take the leap, right. And you actually have to completely remove yourself from the first situation, usually, because you're stuck on getting a paycheck from somewhere and you fear that you're not going to be able to replace that income when you're starting the new thing, whatever the (Lesley: Yeah) new thing might be. And I mean, I I can attest to that. That was like, literally the reason why I stayed in the shittiest situation where it was so stressful all the time. And it was because I was getting paid well enough that it made me go, I don't know how I'm going to replace this income. So maybe I should stick around. And ultimately, you know, it was very stressful to do that.Lesley Logan  Well, we actually just talked about this one of our retreat girls, she has a job that pays her bills. (Brad: Yes.) And she doesn't want to do it. She wants to this other thing. But you know, one of the things that holding her back was health insurance. And I was like, "Can you just research how much health insurance costs? Like have you sat down?" And what if I think one of the suggestion was like, just get like a show up and like a show up job, like you show up, do the job and you fuck off, but you leave.Brad Crowell  Well, so so what the suggestion was, and this was brilliant. And I will happily share. This is Melissa Capitano's (Lesley: Amazing idea.) ... recommendation. And she said, she said, Okay, how much do you making it each month? Can you live on less than that? If you can live on less than that for multiple months? Put the rest of that money aside? So like, let's just say you're making 5000 a month. Can you live on three? If you can live on three stash that 2000, right. And she said, give yourself a number of months, until you've been able to put aside six months worth of $3,000. So in that scenario, if you're making five, and you're you're working, you're living on only three, you're saving $2,000 a month. So you would need if you have six months $18,000 set aside so we're actually looking at nine months of a bridge of like of a preparation. Right.Lesley Logan  But in the grand scheme of your life, nine months is nothing.Brad Crowell  Well, that would give you your six month runway, then hypothetically, you could quit cold your your full time job and start your new thing. (Lesley: Yeah) But you've been planning it for nine months. (Lesley: Yeah) Alternatively, the second suggestion that Melissa had was, what if you did that for only a couple months, put a little bit of money aside and then you left the full time job that's actually ca... capturing all of your brain. Because really, that's what it is. It's like you come home and you're fried because you've been working so hard mentally. You know that by the end of the night you just don't even want to think anymore so you don't have time, you don't have the mental energy to work on your thing. What if you could get a throw away job? Actually, I think this became like part of the conversation at that one.Yeah, ... Emily for the throw, she called them throw away job, or the, just show up job or the shut it down (Brad: Yeah) job.And typically, that would be in the service industry where you know, you're not necessarily making the decisions, you're just filling in, you know, so and you're probably not making what you need to make. But it's a, it's a short term income stream that you can keep for three and six months. It's the bridge, right. And that allows you maybe you have that couple $1,000 stashed, so for emergency stuff, but you have some of your income coming in. But really, what's happening is now, instead of working 40 to 60 hours a week, you're only working 40 hours a week at the most, and you're not mentally taxed at the end of the day. When you get out of your job, guess what, you're probably on fire to work on your side project, because you certainly don't want to work in this throwaway job forever, (Lesley: Yeah.) you know, whether whatever it might be. And like I said, typically in service industry, it might not be your your end doll, you know, goal. And every time you go in and work on that, it's going to be very real for you. Like, I don't want to be here forever. I better get my stuff together on my on my project, right. (Lesley: Yeah) So I thought that was a really helpful suggestion.Lesley Logan  And I love that she shared it because I because like, her thing is so cool. And they're so cool. And it can be as she tells her story. And this is not a site to her, we do this, everyone does this, you don't want to tell the whole journey and your story. Your story is like, I love this thing and I created this thing. And it's because the the bridge is actually like the middle. I know I'm really fucking loves the middle, like the middle is the middle. And so but I had to ask him like, "Well, did you just turn that off?" And the only thing I was trying to think of like, is there ever a scenario where somebody gets turned off and they only go on to the turn on and that is you get fired and you have a severance package to pay your fucking runway. That is the only time because all my friends who've been fired, didn't actually have the money to go right into their side hustle, they had to get a job (Brad: Yeah) to cover their bills. (Brad: Typically) So so yeah, sounds great. Anyways, what did you love?Brad Crowell  Well, what I loved was this idea of the Pomodoro method.Lesley Logan  I'm excited to see if you do this actually ... (Brad: So I've never ...) of your alley.Brad Crowell  It is not my alley. I've never heard of it before. And it's a productivity method. So what is it? It's a productivity method? What does that actually mean? It's Italian for tomato, I think that's funny. Pomodoro is tomato in Italian. Why would you do the Pomodoro method, it promotes sustained concentration. And it staves off mental fatigue. Okay, so if you are like me, you have far too much to do in one day, and you get burned out, and then you just stop. Right? So this method will help you sustain your concentration level and stave off mental fatigue. Who is it for? And I did a whole bunch of reading on this. (Lesley: And I'm seeing that.) I created a whole list on this. So who is it for? It's for people who find that small things derail your entire workday. Here's a great example of a small thing that derails your workday. You are working, working, working and notification comes along, it's a text message, bam, you're now no longer working. You're now on this text message. It is also for, like, email coming in or anything. If you're in a work environment, and people can interrupt you, that is the most incredibly distracting thing. Okay, second, if you feel like you're slogging through a project way past, when your brain is firing, well, then this Pomodoro method could be for you. Meaning if you're like, "Oh, my God, I have to write a 50 page paper so that I can get my master's degree. And I've been staring at a blank screen. And I just can't think." Right. Maybe you could use the Pomodoro method.Lesley Logan  Amy Ledin's kids use it there, they're homeschool. And she taught them the Pomodoro method. They all, she also taught them how to read like Jim Kwik does. And so (Brad: Crazy. I love that.) oh, it's so cool. But they get all their homework done. And they're not taxing them. They they're not cranky, and they love it. They're like they set a little timer up that it's so fun. It's really it's really easy to do once you know all the ways to do it.Brad Crowell  So that rolls right into the next, "Who is this for?" If you if you have lots of open ended work that could take an unlimited amount of time. For example, studying for an exam, making social media posts, writing blog posts, for me, it's checking my damn email, it just seems like it never ends. You know, like, if you have lots of open ended work that could take an unlimited amount of time. This could be for you, right? It's not like, okay, I have to load the laundry, there's a start and a stop. Now, there's like those ongoing projects, you could use this method. If you're like me, and I already said this and you have 50 things to do and you're pretty sure you're gonna get them all done in a day. But in reality, you never actually get any of that done. You get like three things done ... I always think I can get done more than I actually get done. Maybe this method will work for you. Lastly, notice I'm not saying that this method worked for me, maybe (Lesley: we are ...) I'm not avoiding this ...Lesley Logan  Here's what I, here's what I want to know this is, I'll hold you to this. Amanda helped me out here. I want Brad to try this out before his next solo episode (Brad laughs) so he can report back if he actually gets his ish done ... Because ...Brad Crowell  The gauntlet has been thrown. All right. The other thing is, if you love a good challenge or a game, you can gamify your work by using the Pomodoro method. I thought that was pretty cool. Okay, so the question is, how do you do it? Okay, so there's, there are a series of steps. I wrote down seven of them, you most people write down five, but I thought I'll break it out in a couple more easy steps. Step number one is to turn off all distractions and notifications off. No, nothing can distract you to be 100% (Lesley: hard DND) you have to be 100% able to focus. So nothing flashing on your screen. No phone, no flashing lights. People are not allowed to come into your office. If they do you punch him in the face. I told yeah, it's like hard punch in the face. No, don't do that. Okay ...Lesley Logan  My face for the listeners is like, like, this is the least violent person in the world. And he's like, punch them in the face.Brad Crowell  Step two, pick one task, okay, now, this is not a project. This is a task. This is a task that you can complete. Okay. And if it's not, if it's that ongoing thing, take a bite sized piece of the ongoing thing. Okay, I'm going to answer 15 emails. Okay. Next is, set a 25 minute timer. 25 minutes, okay. Then start that timer. Step four, focus on that task until your timer is up. Step five, take a five minute break. Step six, start another 25 minute timer. Right. Then a five minute break, then another 25 minute timer, then a five minute break. Okay, so you see the idea here. But (Lesley: That seven. every ... Yeah, the last step is you, you figure out three or four hours of these 30 minute blocks 25 working five minutes off, 25 working five minutes off, three or four hours at the max, then you get up, take a walk 15 minutes or 30 minutes, you actually take a legit break, that could be eating lunch that could be walking on the block that could be making the phone call to your folks that because it's somebody's birthday, whatever those things that like, get your mind back into a different mode where you're not concentrating on work. And then you could do a whole another round two of this, another three or four hour session. And then bam, you've now literally worked an eight hour workday. So that's the Pomodoro method.Lesley Logan  I'm so excited to see you do this. I love it.Brad Crowell  Yeah. I mean, you know, it's for me, I set aside time, I have a lot of meetings. So like, I will like when I have to actually get work done. Like, it will have to rearrange my schedule to be like, here's my three hour Pomodoro time of actual work. Don't bother me, no meetings or phone calls.Lesley Logan  But also, what if you just like sometimes you just have 25 minutes. So what if you just did the Pomodoro for 25 minutes? (Brad: Totally.) I mean, we use the timer ... the time cubes, we talked about before, but like, you know, I think that I think you should try it. (Brad: Yeah. I ...) That is me kindly asking you.Brad Crowell  This is me deciding myself being making the decision (Lesley: Y'all, I'm upholder ...) if I am going to do the Pomodoro method.Lesley Logan  If you all know Gretchen Rubin. I'm upholder, he's a rebel. I'm trying really hard not to make him do it because he fucking won't do it. But I'm really hoping that because he loves me so much. He'll try something (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell  Yes. All of the things ... I'm not very easily guilted. SoLesley Logan  He's not. I still get my way. (Brad: I love it.) You're listening to a podcast that was definitely me getting my way.Brad Crowell  So that's the Pomodoro method everyone. All right. So finally, let's talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Lindy Nowak? I'm gonna jump in. So she said right away, or she said actually last, she gave us three things. But one of them was the Pomodoro method. But she had already talked about that. She said, hey, write lists, get it out of your head, start your morning, or at the end of your day, with writing everything out that you need to do for that day or for the next day. So essentially, it needs to be on paper. If you're trying to juggle it in your brain, the list of things you have to do, you will not be able to focus. And I know this because I was like this. I could not focus because I was trying to remember all the stuff. Second I started writing things down and I could see it in front of me. Then I could not I could have I allowed myself not to worry that I was going to miss something because I could see it in front of me. Very, very straightforward. This is not like rocket science. But it's so funny how many of us try to remember our mental checklist in our head, get it out of your head onto paper.Lesley Logan  I can't even remember what I did this morning. So I gave up on remembering my task like, but I do love this. I write things out in the morning on my walk. And I rarely check it. But I like to get it out of my head.Brad Crowell  Well it's good. Like I said, the bigger picture there is not whether you check it, the bigger picture is there that you are you are setting yourself up to release it. (Lesley: Yeah) You don't have to worry about forgetting it because you wrote it down. (Lesley: Yeah) And that is that that worry. Like it's subconscious. You might not even realize you're worrying about your list. But you are genuinely mentally taxing, it is draining.Lesley Logan  Do you know what I think is? It's when you get mad at me for how many tabs, I have open on my phone, like I have all my apps open on my phone. And like, all these apps run in the background, so my phone is always dying, like the battery is always dying. And to the point that my husband doesn't really let me leave the house without actually taking the battery with me or he just I find my phone on a charger. And I didn't put it there. So but when you try to keep your list in your brain, you are literally draining your battery. So ...Brad Crowell  That's a great comparison.Lesley Logan  I thought so. I think I'm pretty good at this. (Brad: Sounds good. Sounds good.) Thank you. I think I'll keep this job. (Brad: What about you? What about you?) My biggest takeaway is be kind of yourself. Place yellow sticky notes with affirmations right your house. I love this. I love this. I mean, I tell myself amazing things all day long. As we all know, but but if you are not so good at that, which I didn't used to be one of the things I had done was actually set reminders on my phone to go off at random times of the day. And so sometimes things happen daily, sometimes things happened, like randomly on the week. And it was like we like 3:33 or whatever it's like a random time. And it would be say things that were a positive affirmation. So take a moment to do that. And then also get sticky notes. Brad and I used to leave ourselves, like leave ourselves, leave each other little sticky notes. And there's something really fun about that. We should bring that back.Brad Crowell  But I think so too. I forgot about that.Lesley Logan  Oh, we usually leave each notes every day, like on each other's coffee. I think right now I'm a little concerned about the white countertop. So leave me a note somewhere else. But, um, but I would, but literally look up positive affirmations like she said, like, just Google them. And then the ones that resonate with you, write them down. And if you don't like your handwriting, print them out and tape them around your house and random spots. They will surprise you. I know you think, "Oh, I'll see them." No, it'll surprise you all the time. Sometimes I look over my, "Oh I put it right there. It's so fun." So I really love this because y'all our life is already hard enough. You do not have to be harder on yourself (Brad: Yeah) than life already is. So please be kind to yourself. And, I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell  And, I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan  Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for listening to the Be It podcast. We are so obsessed with you. I can't believe that this is episode 148. (Brad: It's crazy.) That means next episode we talk together 150. We didn't even celebrate that. You can watch this on YouTube, on the YouTube. (Brad: YouTubes) Yeah, you can.Brad Crowell  They should. Actually it's all fun.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I got great earrings on today. (Brad: Yeah) So I hope you do. And you can follow us on Instagram at the @be_it_pod. We're also on TikTok and slaying over there, (Brad: Yeah) by the way. (Brad: I love that.) So if you are a TikToker, you can follow us there. Leave your comments, leave your questions. That's how we answer them on the Be It, on the @be_it_pod and until next time, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell  Bye for now. Lesley Logan  'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'. Brad Crowell  It's written produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli. Lesley Logan  Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing.Brad Crowell  Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. 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Is there a secret to being confident? Is there a way to speak up without being a natural extrovert? Elle Russ argues yes! Listen in for Brad and Lesley's recap on building and protecting your confidence with a few tips and tricks weaved throughout.  If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Retreat updatesWhat is confidence? Why you have to take action Why direct communication and boundaries are a package deal How to protect and build your confidenceStart small to Identify and change the pattern What is the stumbling block to confidence? Episode References/Links:Retreat Info If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyUse this link to get your Toe Sox!ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the confident convo I had with Elle Ross in our last episode. (Brad: It was that.) It was so confident. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now, go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us. You have to listen to that one. I don't care what order you do your shit in but like ...Brad Crowell  That's a great, amazing, like hard to break down into one thing to talk about episode because there was so much good stuff.Lesley Logan  So much good stuff. I mean, like I sometimes I was just like, I'm just gonna let her go. Because like, I'm just like, I'm getting confident, just listening to her. (Brad: Yeah.) So I'm just ... (Brad: It was, it was exciting.) I'm just gonna, like live off that those words. So anyways, I'm really excited about this interview. I've been wanting to have her on since before we started the pod. I heard her somewhere else. And like I was like, "This girl has to be on." And I actually heard her talking about something else that she does with paleo stuff and, and we ended up just chatting back and forth. I was like, "Okay, you're talking about confidence. Like, you're just going to do that." So anyway, I'm so glad we waited and we got her on and this time and Brad, we're in this interesting, like not a lull. But it's like a, it's like a, well, it's an in between what do you call that? (Brad: The middle.) The middle. (Brad: The messy middle.) We are in the middle. We've literally just sent everyone out of our house. (Brad: Oh, yeah.) After like being we were in Chicago. It was a freaking blast if we told you. And then we came in, cleaned everything up again. And then like people came in. And then it was a whirlwind of people, people getting photos ...Brad Crowell  Because we had the Pilates retreat, or sorry, we had a business retreat at our house in Vegas. (Lesley: Yeah.) So we're in Chicago for POT. And then we hosted an event here. And now we are prepping to leave for Cambodia.Lesley Logan  Yeah, so and while we're prepping, we've got so many people coming to town for another Pilates situation with PMA. And it's like, I think we're gonna have more coffee dates than we've ever had in our entire lives. I'm (Brad: Yeah) but we're prepping for Cambodia and I'm really excited. And if you are like, "I missed the business retreat." You frickin did. You just did. No, I mean, we missed you too. But when is the next one and there is not one on the books for 2023. Because actually, a really a lot of amazing other stuff going on. And there's only so many weeks in the year and one of those should be a vacation for me and Brad. So (Brad: It's true.) so you can get on the waitlist for Profitable Pilates business retreats we'll probably bring them back in 2024. And if you're like, "That's too far away, guys." Well, that's what Agency is for.Brad Crowell  Right. So if you want to get on the waitlist to join us in person in Vegas, go to profitablepilates.com/retreats plural, retreats. And if you are interested in more about Agency and working with us before then just go to profitablepilates.com/agencyLesley Logan  Yeah. You don't have to wait till 2024 to get the hands in on your business. (Brad: That's true.) Even if you're like, "I love in person." That's fine. (Brad: We love in person too.) We do too, but I don't want you to wait two years to get you know, you're like we can totally make magic happen online before you get in person and we can do twice as much when you're here. (Brad: Yes.) All right. Well, now we had an audience re... an audience question to respond to, I think.Brad Crowell  Yeah, well, this one was a collection of questions when we were in Chicagoland with Pilates on tour. (Lesley: Why is it called Chicagoland?) Because it's not Chicago proper, (Lesley: Yeah) outside of Chicago. We, it was so exciting, because I thought everybody knew that we go to Cambodia. (Lesley: No) You know, like, we talked about it so much, so, so often. And people were like, so fired up to hear about it. And they were really excited about the idea of going there and they were getting themselves on the waitlist. And they were asking because obviously we're leaving in less than a month now to go to Cambodia with our first group post COVID. And we're really excited about that. But if you wanted to join us oh sorry, the question is, how often do we go?Lesley Logan  Yeah, So the reality is we've always wanted to go twice a year for retreats. (Brad: Yeah.) But given that people are still getting into the swing of traveling in this new normal that we're in, we only have one this year. And we're only planning one next year.Brad Crowell  That's right. (Lesley: Yeah.) By the way, if you have noticed where we're trying to reduce things.Lesley Logan  Yeah. Do you see how we're doing that? We're being it till we see it on this reduction policy over here. And it's not because we don't love it. Well, Brad, and I will probably know ... (Brad: It's my favorite thing.) Yeah, it's our will, we're definitely gonna go because we got a couple trips to Korea. That's happening and definitely ...Brad Crowell  ... we're gonna go down. Yes.Lesley Logan  Yeah. I feel like but Lesley, that made us could do another retreat. Yes, we could pack that in. (Brad: We could.) But that's, that's not we're doing anymore. And so if we're doing one next year, so I highly recommend that you get on the waitlist for that, well announced the dates probably, probably towards the end of this year, we'll have it solidify. We're just waiting on a few dates from some other events that we've got to make sure that we're at and ...Brad Crowell  Yeah, but it's gonna be in the fall, like September, October, somewhere in there and 2023. (Lesley: Yeah.) You know, (Lesley: Yeah.) by the way, if you're like, "What the hell I want to go right now?" (Lesley: You can.) You can join us. We still have room on the one that's happening in starting on October 30, 2022. But if you know that's not going to work for you, and you want to join us next year. Get yourself on the waitlist, go to lesleylogan.co/retreats. And that's plural. (Lesley: Yes. It's plural.) It's lesleylogan.co/retreats. (Lesley: We like the s s around here.) Yeah. (Lesley: And so ...) Singular takes you to the landing page for this year's retreat.Lesley Logan  Plural takes you to a waitlist. So you can get ... yeah. And so I just hope you come. I know that it's, here's the thing, but I know. I know that it's a big deal for you to plan a trip that crosses the ocean. And I know how easy it is say, I'll do next time because you think that next time will be easier than this time, or the next next time will be easier than this time. You are never going to feel ready. (Brad: No.) Ready is a lie.Brad Crowell  It's like having kids.Lesley Logan  Well, and we don't know that. But every person we know who has a kid, they're like ... (Brad: They're like buying a house.) You're never ready. Yeah. So I, so what I would just say is like, make make the plans, put it in there, put it in your calendar, or put like put it on your list of things you want to do in 2023. And like, look for ways to make that happen. (Brad: Yeah.) Because you will never ever regret going we did a retreat in March of 2020. And every person who came with all the uncertainty that there was, there was like, couldn't be more uncertainty then because we're like, "What's going on? I don't know." And we all went none of them regretted it. (Brad: No.) They all still talk to each other since then. (Brad: Yeah.) They still talk to each other. We've had ones that had babies since then. All of us have has happened and they're so glad they went when they did. (Brad: Yeah.) And so I'm just saying you should be there. Instead of ...Brad Crowell  You should be there. Yes. Well anyway, that is exciting. We love talking about Cambodia and I know that you know that diehard listeners if you're a first timer. Welcome to our world. (Lesley: Hello. I'm Lesley Logan.) And I'm Brad.Lesley Logan  You know, we don't do on this recaps. We don't even introduce ourselves.Brad Crowell  Oh yeah, I thought about that the other day. (Lesley: We do at the very end.) Yeah. Yeah.Lesley Logan  And like one of, one, like our our our our coach Jill and Danny on every one of their episodes, they go they still cool man. Like they all, like this make sure that you know the voice is and we're like, we're gonna make all the assumptions you know, why you're here and sink or swim. Here we go. (Brad: Yeah.) Maybe we'll stick to the script.Brad Crowell  Okay, now let's talk about Elle Russ. Okay. A firm believer that confidence is the key to success in almost every area of your life. Elle Russ is the author of Confident As Fu*k. She's a speaker and a podcaster. She helps clients materialize dreams and goals, create better business and personal relationships and become the best at whatever it is that they're doing. She's also a world renowned thyroid expert that has overcome her own health struggles to find full confidence. So the thyroid portion of this you guys didn't even get into it. (Lesley: No.) During the episode, (Lesley: No.) I was actually very interested in that but looks like we're gonna have to have Elle back ...Lesley Logan  We'll have to have her back because the thyroid thing is like this crazy thing that's going on in this world that we're like people need to know more about so and that could be affecting you being it till you see it if your thyroids off. Guess what? Y'all you're not functioning to your best. So (Brad: Yeah.) another episode. So what I loved in this episode is, what is confidence? Yeah. And she said confidence is some of the thoughts you think and then the actions you take and like, yeah.Brad Crowell  Confidence is the sum of the thoughts that you think and the actions that you take.Lesley Logan  Yeah, because you can, you can, you can think about something all the time, but if you don't take any action than actually, you, you have you actually going to create lack of confidence because you've got all these ideas and you don't do anything. And so now you don't have any, like, you don't have this like, data showing like I do the things that I'm thinking about. And so I really loved how she said that because people are always like, what is confident? How we more confident? Well take this some of your thoughts. And then take the action.Brad Crowell  The action to take. I mean, I know on this pod, you've heard Lesley say, you know, 100 times if you've heard she say at once, action creates clarity and clarity ...Lesley Logan  And actions, action is the antidote to fear.Sorry, yeah. No. I say, (Brad laughs) It says, action brings clarity and action is the antidote to fear. When you have a fear, if you take action, it's the antidote. And then boom, clarity arises. So I guess you could say clarity is the antidote to fear. Maybe, maybe, not all the time, but I think some of the time can be that way. So you didn't jack it up. I think ...Brad Crowell  Yeah. I've never understood it that way before. But (Lesley: Yeah.) action brings clarity and clarity is the antidote to fear. (Lesley: Yeah.) So you know ... yeah. So but basically, that's what she's talking about here too. Confidence is the sum of your thoughts and then the actions that you take.Lesley Logan  Yeah, when you take action, you get clarity, so that you take more action to get more clarity. And it just kind of, it kind of snowball is in there. And I I think it's really easy for us to think some thoughts about something that's amazing. And then we think about all the things that are reasons why we shouldn't, do it. And then of course, you feel like shit afterwards, like you don't, no one walks away from self talk of like, all the reasons why they shouldn't do something, feeling good about themselves. But if you take some action, and it doesn't have to be big action, it can just be like Googling the thing that you're thinking about doing. Right? Like, listen to Laurie Harder. She wants to have her like she's gonna have a beverage company, she didn't know how to like, make a beverage. So she could have just thought about how she doesn't have to do that. And then she's like, "Okay, I'm just gonna take this one action like Google, how do I do that?" And then she found some words she didn't know. And then she Googled those. And like, those, even just Googling is an action you can take to get the clarity that you want to have. And so really, and then that brings confidence, like, okay, I can do this because I have information around the thing that I want to do. And now I have the step, the next step to take. (Brad: Yeah.) So I'm in. I thought, I was like, oh, mic drop, and we can just put that on a frame and remind ourselves, that's what it comes from, you can't just think things and you can't you can't just do things, you got to kind of do them together. What did you love?Brad Crowell  So this is a little bit of a collection of things that you two, we're going back and forth. But as I was listening through the episode, you were talking about the necessity of speaking up for yourself. Okay, and particularly, people who are like people pleaser mentality, and the idea of speaking up for yourself. So I'm gonna read a whole bunch of things. And then we can kind of talk about, but you were talking about boundaries and direct communication. And basically, the, the idea here is if you don't speak up for yourself, you end up being a victim. And you want your and you're allowing yourself to be the victim, for allowing whatever it is to happen to you. Right. If you don't speak up for yourself. And her example was her friend was getting her hair cut, and she wanted it to be flat across the banks, but her barber or hairstylist was doing like choppy. Right. And then she came back the next time and like, still did it choppy. And so you know, she's allowing herself to be the victim of this. And it's building resentment. It's all these things. And what you two were discussing, which I thought was really amazing, was you can be declarative, and not confrontational. Okay. Declarative, and not confrontational. So you can say, "Hey, I would love for my bangs to be flat this time." That's not confrontational, not like, "Hey, asshole last time I told you to cut to be flat and you made him choppy." Right. That's confrontational. So you can be declarative. It doesn't have to be confrontational. We can say what is on our mind. And it doesn't have to be a huge sit down. It doesn't have to be like, "Okay, can I have five minutes of your time? Just the two of us. I just need to talk to you about something right now." Like that's so dramatic. It's so like, you're building this whole massive thing up and it doesn't again, that's like leading to awkwardness which could bring confrontation. Right. And another thing you said is, you can actually make people feel good while you're doing it. And so what that is, I'm sure you've heard this, if you've ever been a coach of any team, and you have to critique a student or a child or anything like that, or you know, the coach, usually they say, compliment, critique compliment, right? You sandwich it. Okay, so compliment, critique compliment. So, you know, "I'm so happy to be here today to get my hair cut. Hey, do you mind cutting it this time flat instead of it? You know, because I know you're so good at that." Compliment, critique compliment, right? And so it also allows you to make them feel good while you're basically correcting a behavior. You know, or standing up for yourself speaking up for yourself. Right. It can be done in tones. If I said, you know, "Cut my hair flat." (Lesley: And I think he's like) Whoa, whoa, (Lesley: whoa, oh, my God, get out of my chair.) You know, cut my hair flat. You know what I mean? Like, so funny, right? But tones can really, really change that. And yeah, I think that's enough. I had a couple of other points. But this is like, you know ...Lesley Logan  That was such a great part of the of the episode. And I really hope you all listen to it. Because she, I had not, I have always been proponent of like, just just tell people, it doesn't be a big deal. I'll just be like, you know, can we do it like this this time? But what I, what I loved how she said it was like, you know, you can say, "This time, I'd like to do my bangs and oh, by the way, I love that shampoo you gave me last time. I'm loving it." (Brad: Right. Yeah.) It just and it's kind of like what you said it's on a sandwich. But it's like, you know, it's it's got the thing, and it's just ...Brad Crowell  She call it like a throwaway (Lesley: Yeah) talking point, (Lesley: a throwaway) you know, where it's like a nice compliment. And it's like, actually, it softens the blow as it were of the critique or the heart and the harshness or the correction that you are, you know, standing up for yourself.Lesley Logan  Yeah, and I think, I think also just to go, if you've never done this before, it's okay. If the first couple of times just feel really awkward, you kind of have to prep yourself, again, for a little rehearsal, (Brad: Yeah, yeah) that's fine. But what I hope you do is celebrate when you do it inside your head, like, "Oh, I just did that. Oh, I did that." (Brad: Yeah.) Because you're going to find that becomes easier and easier to do that. And then people just are like, "Oh, that person just knows what they want." No one's gonna go, "Oh, that's a bitch." They're gonna be like, "Oh gosh she always knows she wants, she gets what she like, it's so amazing." They're just like, "He did it so well." And all of a sudden, you're like the person that everyone's looking to, to, like, get the things you want. So I that, that segment needs to be saved and re listened to.Brad Crowell  Yeah, 100%. It was really, really revealing for me, you know, I think that I used to work in a job where I had to be the quote unquote, "bad guy" with things like if if something was wrong, I was the one who has to fix it. And so I had to go constantly have, you know, very challenging conversations all the time. And I remember at the beginning of that, like, I was stressing, I was sweating having this conversation with what, and we're talking like a vendor, that, like, made a mistake. And you know, it was like, expensive and time and we didn't have the time or the money. And I was like, I had to basically go yell at them and not yell at them, (Lesley: Yeah) you know, and get them to do the thing, fix the thing without pissing them off yet still, make sure it was corrected, and make sure it didn't happen again. And I just remember, like, I sat down, I wrote, I like literally wrote down on my, everything I needed to absolutely communicate. And then it was like, alright, cool. And then I took a nice one walk around the block, cooled my head. And then I got on a call. And, and I was like, okay, this wasn't as bad as I thought it was gonna be. And, and then over time, over the years, and having conversations similar to that as things, you know, as life happens in operations, there's always something that goes wrong. The, you know, you kind of get good at it, you start to figure it out. And, and also you don't, it doesn't have to be this big, massive build up, unless you want it to be, you know what I mean? And that can be part of it too, down the road, when you know what you're doing with this, these kinds of conversations.Lesley Logan  And that's something to notice, like, if you keep making things a big deal, that could be kind of a pattern that you are feeding off of a little bit, there's something there there. But I want to go back to like, I know a lot of people listening to this can be our teachers and have these clients who like ask certain things or demand certain things, and you're like, "Oh, my God, I felt like, I don't do that. Then I'm gonna loose this client." First of all, it's okay to lose a client then, like, if you're so afraid of anything that you do as the version of yourself, that is the best version of yourself pissing off someone off for them to leave, then they need to go. So that's first and foremost. And so the thought some of your thoughts and the actions you take are going to be the confidence you need to go for someone to go. I had this one client she every third session, she would say that we have to do things differently because it was hurting her back. And the third time she said that to me over I was like, I recall the session we had and the reason we went to a pre Pilates session for that day because she had told me I spent the last eight hours moving art in my garage, she has a art person. And I said, when she said that, I said, look, I gave you a pre Pilates session, it couldn't have been more protective of your back than I like it couldn't have been. What you have to recognize is all the things you do on the many hours, you're not here with me, make a difference in how your back feels. (Brad: Sure.) This is not the only thing that works your back. And so I really love working with you. But if that's going to be a problem, then this isn't gonna work out. And she like snap to it and like, gosh, like, okay, and like was fine. So it wasn't fun. I did not play that through in my head beforehand, because it happened in the session. (Brad: Yeah.) And I but I will say that, having those thoughts about how do I stand up for myself with clients that are truly not respecting me as their teacher and wanting to be the teacher of their own session, which is not, that's not what you pay me for. You pay me to teach you. So having that and then taking that action. I got so much frickin confidence from that as like. So I just say, you know, it's okay, did not I did not say it in like a mean way. I like literally, I was like really honest with her. And I and I said it with a smile on my face. And I just said, I hate to lose you. But you know, I want you to feel safe. And if you don't, (Brad: Yeah) that's okay. And you do that one time and oh you'll have their pick kicking your step ladies, you will and (Brad: Yeah) find gentlemen listening. Brad Crowell  All right. So finally, let's talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Elle Russ? So this is a two parter. Where she didn't actually explicitly say the second part, but I inferred it. So I wanted to break it down a little bit more. She said, identify the pattern. Okay. But then the two of you also had a conversation about changing the pattern, which we just briefly discussed a little bit ago. But effectively, what is the pattern that happens to me, but not other people? What are those patterns that keep happening? You know, like, for example, I think we've talked about this before, but you're going to keep dating the same people until you change. Okay. And that's funny to say, it's it's like, (Lesley: Oh) the until you change part is not obvious, actually.Lesley Logan  I know, you keep thinking you change the partner, but it's actually you. (Brad: Yeah, it's actually you.) That's what Lauren Zoeller would say.Brad Crowell  Right, so what are the patterns that keep happening to me? But none of the people and why are those things happening to me? And she talked about writing them down. What are, write down those patterns, right? And, and then she said, patterns will continue to happen until you stop them. And then how do you change those patterns? Right? So, right, she said, she start small, okay, small changes of some of these patterns, and write down the changes that you're going to make. So, you know, for example, let's say you keep getting clients that late cancel on you, okay, and I'm just going to compare this to teachers, again. If you continue to get clients that late cancel you, and you're annoyed by that it's, you know, what's happening over time builds resentment, frustration, you know, anger, all the things, eventually you explode, you know, one time and you just, like, throw things at the wall, because they, you know, they like to canceled on you again, you know, and so you can, you know, start small, by making a change in you, in making a change in your policies, and making the change in how you address these situations. There's a lot of little micro changes that you can make, but pick one and then do it.Lesley Logan  Well, you can go back to dating relationships, because because everyone listens has done that. If the partner you're with, never picks up around the, like picks up their dirty laundry, and you never say to pick up your dirty laundry. And then the one day, we've all done it, where you just fucking lose it. (Brad: Yeah. You freak out.) Like something happens, has nothing to do laundry, but you trip on the laundry and you're like, "You never pick this up." And they're like, "You never told me. Like, do you never say that bothered you?" (Brad: Right.) Do you see the common denominators? You, you didn't, you tripped on it. You never said anything. You kept it to yourself, and you thought, "Oh, this will just be fine." It's not fine. If it bothers you say something.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I mean, definitely, you know, that's annoying. (Lesley: That's changer.) I completely understand. It's annoying that they don't pick up their stuff, but like, have you expressed it? You know, and if you have and has it been in a angry way, like we talked about the beginning or a kind way, you know, so, you know, I think start small write down the changes that you're making. Right? And then something else was that she said, which kind of goes in parallel to that is to detach yourself from people who are toxic. She was talking about confidence and dreams and but, you know, basically change could be, you know, isolation, or actually. But I just realized I'm spilling into your takeaway. So, what about you? Lesley Logan  I was just like, I was just like, "Oh were you just gonna tell you all the takeaways." And you just gonna say ... because I'm gonna just pipe in and just say, "Excuse me, it's my takeaway." Thank you.Brad Crowell  Yeah, hey, don't take my takeaway. (Lesley: Don't take my takeaway.) Don't take my takeaway. (Lesley laughs) Did you like you know, not take my takeaway, please.Lesley Logan  Hey, I loved your takeaway. But can I have my takeaway back? (Brad laughs) Thank you. So keep your dreams close to the vest. You know, here's we, first of all, we had a whole conversation and she was quite blunt about you hanging around people who are not super awesome for you. (Brad: Yeah.) And that bluntness might be hard to take, but like, I love honesty, it's the best policy and just so like, keep dreams close the best, here's the deal. It's important to have people in your life that you can share things with. But if you don't have those people in your life, you gotta you gotta keep those things close to your vest, so that you, especially if you are not yet feeling confident around things, you gotta build that confidence up before you share things. Because when you share something, and you are vulnerable around it, you are not yet confident in it. And someone says, the thing that you're probably worried about, because they will, you know, that's going to shatter that dream, and you might not make it happen. And so you be mindful of that.Brad Crowell  Yeah, can be a big stumbling block with your confidence. (Lesley: Oh, yeah.) So, you know, keeping them clo... keeping your dreams close to your vest, you know, basically, she kept referring to Mary, I don't know, apparently, Mary's angry. So Mary doesn't believe in you. Mary doesn't believe in herself. Mary, actually, you know, shit talks, the goals that you have, and the dreams that you have. And so, really, but Mary has been your best friend for 30 years? Well, you know, Mary's not helping you, she's actually not being your friend. She's actually what she's doing is projecting her fears onto you. (Lesley: Yeah) Those fears could simply be her own, you know, like, like, lack of dreams. But those fears could also be fear of loss. If you are successful with the thing, maybe that thing takes you away from her. She doesn't want that. Right. She doesn't really understand even though she's sabotaging you, (Lesley: Yeah.) but she is.Lesley Logan  Yeah. No, and so you may have to stop, stop telling Mary some things and you might have to find. Like I have some friends that I really told my business stuff to. And I have some friends I just talk about life with. And it's (Brad: Sure.) not because I don't actually, the friends I got my life with probably would totally support those business ideas and dreams. But they're not yet solidified yet, all the way. And those friends that are like my life friend might not really understand it. And if I get a question that at all, is like where I'm a little worried and something it could totally derail it. And it's not because they're bad. Like they're doing it intentionally. It's just like, I'm not confident on that thing yet. So make sure you know who you want to tell things to and who you don't. And so take practice. And if you're a 30 year old friend of Mary, that you've had forever and your life is being like that. It's okay to just start like, maybe don't talk to Mary every day. Maybe Mary gets a weekly call, and then maybe Mary gets 10 day call and then they call. And if, and if Mary asks you what's going on, because Mary built up the gumption you can go, "Wow, that's amazing. Thank you for asking. I'm just really working on some things right now. (Brad: Yeah.) I love you. Working on some things right now." It is okay. I don't know why a lot of people like to keep friends around. But don't make them feel happy. They're so afraid to like, let go of these people. It's not that it's you can pick them back up when you are strong enough to handle those things. (Brad: Yeah.) Until you have the confidence around the things you want to do and the life you want to have. You need to be super protective of it. You need to, you need to make sure you have all the protection up before you take it on to the world. You know, so I hope this helps you with your confidence, guys. I really, I might put this on repeat. I really loved it. It's so good.Brad Crowell  Yeah, yeah. And I can't wait to have Elle Russ back to talk about her, her, you know, experience with the thyroid stuff too. So ...Lesley Logan  I know. Elle, that's your your invitation. (Brad: Yeah.) Call us back. Well, I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell  And, I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan  Thank you so much for joining us today. We are so grateful to have you here. How are you going to use these tips in your life to build your confidence? Let us know. Tag @_elleruss, tag the @be_it_pod. Share it with your girlfriend, share with this with Mary. You know the one, (Lesley laughs) the one with your life. (Brad: ... we send it to Mary.) Hey, Mary (Lesley and Brad laughs) I've really ... Do whatever you want with it. But whatever you do make sure that you are taking messy action because perfect is boring and until next time, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell  Bye for now.Lesley Logan  'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.Brad Crowell   It's written produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli.Lesley Logan   Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing. Brad Crowell  Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianranco Cioffi. Lesley Logan  Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can't see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all videos each week so you can.Brad Crowell  And to Angelina Herico for transcribing each of our episodes so you can find them on our website. 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the growth oriented convo I had with Chris Goodman in our last episode. I mean, like it could have been the fear fear, like a fear freeing convo, like a ... free of fear convo. It was such a fucking great conversation. (Brad: It was amazing.) And one of the first times ever I was with you not listening to the episode but listening to you listen to the episode. And I just smiled because I was like, "Yes, so fucking good." It was fucking good episode. So if you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now, go back and listen that one and then come back and join us. Okay, so today, if you're listening this in real time, thank you so much for being on top of it. (Brad: Oh yeah.) We are, we are welcoming our new batch of Agency members, which is so fun. They're actually in what we call like Slack Mini. (Brad: Yeah.) And they are like in a little training playground with each other, like learning how to use the, use of the tools, how to figure out where to find all the things and then they graduate. And so hopefully by tomorrow, most of them are meeting all of our Agency members who are so excited to see them because we we just love when the community grows. It's so fun.Brad Crowell  Yeah, so seriously, a big thank you for trusting us and also a big congratulations for believing in yourself and your businesses. And welcome to Mini. Welcome to Agency, I mean.Lesley Logan  Yeah, welcome to Agency. And then and now, not then, but now. Technically now. We're literally in the middle of our our retreat here at our house but for Profitable Pilates, this is our business retreat for fitness instructors. And we have the coolest group like it is just a really intimate, awesome group. They're sharing house together like it's so freakin fun. Monica is going to be here in a couple of days to take their pictures. Monica from Girl Squad, you'll know her I think she's from episode I want to say 13. But I could be if I pulled that number out correctly, I'd be so proud of myself (Brad: I'm not to look.) (Lesley and Brad laughs) Yeah, so anyways, she's a badass, and we love her. And so she's our photographer for the retreat, and she's taken all their headshots. And then while he's looking that up, we're like, we're like, two weeks away from getting on a plane. (Brad: Close.) What was, what was it?Brad Crowell  Episode 9Lesley Logan  Oh, oh, it's so close. It was so weird. As soon as I said 13 that word nine hemline number and as it wasn't 19 I think that was Clare. Oh, well, I was so close. Well, 13 was great too, whoever that was. It's amazing. But we're about to leave for Cambodia for our retreat there and somebody who people have been asking like when it is going to be in 2023. And the truth is, is that I haven't planned that yet. Because I actually we're gonna plan a 40th birthday party for myself. And we have a trip to Cabo, which may or may not become the birthday. I'm not I'm not entirely sure in this exact moment. And so we got to plan some vacations before we plan our next retreat, because those are not our vacations. Those are your vacations. And so you want to get on the waitlist for the Cambodia retreat. If you want to know when the 2023 one is.Brad Crowell  Right, you have to get on the waitlist. So if that's something you're interested in, just go to lesleylogan.co/retreatLesley Logan  I know I saw you look at me like, "What waitlist for ..."Brad Crowell  They are, no, you said those are your vacations and it took me a minute to put together that you've not, we're working when we go on retreat. (Lesley: Yeah.) Yeah. (Lesley: We are.) It's like (Lesley: You, you...) because you were just talking about our vacations to Cabo, and then I got very confused. (Lesley: Yeah.) But it's okay. We're good.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I mean, it's fun. It's like the funnest work we could do. But we are...Brad Crowell  Oh, it might be one of my favorite things to do. But it is full, a very very full week for us ...Lesley Logan  You aren't running up in downstairs making sure breakfast is ready. Making sure tables are where they need to be like your your cons... you're like talking to all of our vendors all the time. Like it is beautiful. And I, and when we get to the temples, I am on vacation. And I'm also counting heads. I'm like, "How many heads do we have? Is everyone here? Anyone wander off in the temple? Okay." (Lesley and Brad laughs) It's so fun. So anyways, get on that waitlist, so you can be the first to know because our space our house only holds so many people. So we want it to be you. Okay.Brad Crowell  Yeah, but first, we had an audience question today. And the question was actually about being business owners, you've heard us talk about the fact that we constantly have coaches in our corner, constantly reaching out to us or, you know, working with us and we're, you know, reaching out to them asking questions, all the things and but we've been doing that now for many years. And the question was, "Why, why do you keep doing it? And like, if you got coaching, do you need to keep getting coaching?"Lesley Logan  Well, I love this question. And in fact, I'm gonna use one of our coaches, comments, which is be a product of your product. So if you aren't what that means is if you're a coach, you have a coach, if you're a Pilates teacher, you have Pilates teacher.Brad Crowell  That was Chris.Lesley Logan  No, Jill said it to us.Brad Crowell  Oh, good. Well, (Lesley: Yeah.) Chris, also said it in the interview.Lesley Logan  Yeah, no, like I (Brad: Yeah.) it's, and it's and they keep saying it because it's true. And it's, and here's the reason like, you will, you will encounter, we've talked about video games before with like you like, learn some of the little devil guys and then you beat them. And then you learn the next level and you beat them and you see all of them in the castle with the princess and fragment Mario and Luigi, and then you see all the ones you've already dominated. And then you have a bigger one that you have the confidence to take on and I got the new level, you have this new level, and there's like new things, don't you want a guide to be like, "Hey, use this thing over here instead of this or would you prefer to wander around in circles, trying to figure it out on your own." So hiring a coach, and you keep hiring them because at some point, unless they're continuing to grow, you get to a level where they are at, and then they go, "Get out of my nest and go into someone else's." And it's, and it doesn't happen for everybody because sometimes like we are with one coaching group where like, they continue to uplevel their offerings and services so that as we grow, there's another level for us, similar for us in Agency, I think we do a really good job bringing in coaches to help our members who've been with us for many years to take on their next level in a very cost effective way compared to like with hiring those people could be outside. But I think you if you are a teacher, you have a teacher, right? Like you look at lawyers, they take continuing education, doctors take continue education, why do they keep taking continuing education, because there's more things to learn.Brad Crowell  Or also even CC's if you're, you know, fitness person, continuing education credits.Lesley Logan  Yeah, lawyers have to take things, ... my mom goes to some sort of educational thing all the time. So the truth is ...Brad Crowell  Yeah, she's a first grade teacher. Yeah. (Lesley: Most ...) Oh, even my, my dad, he's, he's an accountant. And he would go to the ... (Lesley: Yeah sometimes ...) some big accounting work conference every year. Yeah.Lesley Logan  Yeah. So the truth is, is that we, the more we get to help people, and the more we get to see where they're growing, the more we can see where we're growing. And hiring coaches to help us get there. Not even necessarily faster, but it is but also with like, less pain and angst of growing like, because they're like, "Hey, why don't you try it like this? Instead of but." I love that idea. It's a little bit too many things. Like why don't just get rid of that, go to that you're like, "Oh, well, thanks for saving me 17 hours building up those things I didn't need."Brad Crowell  I was gonna say, when I was starting my Amazon business, my partner told me, he's like, "Dude, I know myself. I am the person who is the perfectionist who needs to make sure that I'm not doing it wrong." Notice, we didn't say we're doing it right in there. But there's that fear, so of not doing it wrong. And he said, "I will be the one who spends 500 hours watching YouTube videos. I would much rather just talked to this guy, who already built a full course, to take a step by step through the process than to spend 500 hours watching videos." So we spent 1000s of dollars to access this course and then have access to this person who had been where we were, so that he didn't have to spend, you know, I mean, and I think that's an incredibly, you know, realistic argument, because he's not alone in that. And also, he knew himself really well. (Lesley: Yeah.) Yeah.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I think I think the more you know yourself, the easier it is to hire a coach too, because then you know, the right coach they get for yourself, and it's, and please, please, please, if you're looking into getting a coach, make sure you're really clear on what you're looking for, and ask people around you who are doing the things that you want to be doing, if they work with a coach and who it was. So like, you can just shorten the research process, but you should only get on a phone call with them, or you should be able to read some testimonials by them. And, you know, you you there is a level of trust that you have to have right off the bat with this coach, that is a little bit like scary, because it's a big investment. You don't know if this investments gonna be like have the ROI. But if you if you are really if you go all in and you believe you'd be surprised, like how much you can get even from coach or like, I'm not really ...Brad Crowell  I mean, yes 100%. But I don't even think that that's, you know, the I have definitely got into skepticism before. No question. But I have certainly believed that that coach has served others very well. (Lesley: Yeah.) Right. They have a track record. Right. And so I think that the most of the question is like, "Is it gonna work for me?" Even when you pull the trigger already and you hire a said coach, the question really comes down, "Is it gonna work for me?" And you know, I can't speak for everybody else's program, but I can, I can say that instead of Agency, we are very intentional about accountability. And, you know, some people get frustrated at us, which is I find plenty. I mean, it's telling, you know, because I'm that person too. I'm like, damn, you know, and ...Lesley Logan  You procrastinate so long, you missed out on the accountability boundary, and then you're they're frustrated and frustrated with yourself but you're frustrated at the process that was holding you accountable in the first place. (Brad: Yeah.) I get that.Brad Crowell  Yeah. And then anyway, you know, so so most of the coaches that you would be investigating, have a track record, and you can, you know, see testimonials and you could ask them about their experiences. So do that before you sign up if you have any skepticism.Lesley Logan  Yeah. And you know, and, and you don't, I'm not saying if you go and hire a coach today, or you have to hire a business coach even. But it's always nice to have we've talked about this and I forget which episode and it was James out to share it but Brad never found the episode, but it was definitely him. I'm not going to take it from him. It was plus, equals minus, we all have to people that are above us, we have the people that are level, and we have people below us. Brad and I were just in Nashville we had we were with our coaches who are above us. We, they were taught, they're guiding the conversation, we were networking with people who are equals, and all of us there have some process program that coaches people who are not where we are yet. (Brad: Right) And so what's really cool when you're when you hire someone who is your plus, you take the guessing game out, and maybe it's in life, and maybe it's in business, or maybe it's something else, you know, maybe it's a meditation could be having someone who is further ahead in something that you're interested in, really does help you feel secure, even when you feel insecure.Brad Crowell  Yeah, and it doesn't just have to be in business. Growing up, I was always a firm believer of a mentor. Right. As opposed to today, I hire a business coach, they're the same thing. But with a mentor, I was willing to share my life, intimate details of my life with people in authority. When I was really young, it was a pastor, or even a youth pastor. And then, as I got into college, it was my professors, some of them, you know, and then after college is when really, it became more mostly focus about business and less about my personal life, until I hired an executive coach. And he was like, you know, "Hey, look, all that stuff you're gonna be able to figured out, we need to talk about you." And I was like, "What?" (Brad and Lesley laughs)Lesley Logan  But that's also why you have someone to kind of remind you, "Hey, that's actually let's go talk about you." (Brad: Yeah.) So speaking of coaching, if you don't work with us, or you hire someone else, maybe you end up falling for Chris's guidance, and he's got some coaches on the team. So let's talk about Chris Goodman.Brad Crowell  Yeah. When Chris isn't kayaking, or watching the six, his six month old daughter, Chris Goodman can be found coaching entrepreneurs and CEOs, or recording a new episode for his podcast, Relentless Growth, which we'll throw into the show notes. He is on a mission to help clients find their own personal vision of freedom, fulfillment and impact on a global scale. He brings 15,000 plus hours of coaching and training to every conversation that he has, and has a reputation for asking tough, transformative questions in an approachable way.Lesley Logan  Agreed. Agreed on that bio. (Brad: Yeah.) Like I cosign. (Lesley and Brad laughs) Well, one thing I loved was a decision rooted in fear will create results rooted in fear and like, don't we know this, like, it's the same thing if you plant, if you plant a seed in soil that is like has no nutrients, it's not growing, you can water it all you want. It's not gonna grow. So it's like ...Brad Crowell  That's an interesting analogy. I like that. (Lesley: Yeah. So um, so I, I think ...) We, you know what, let's, let's make that a little bit even more real. We moved into our house a couple years back, and the backyard was completely empty. And it was really, like, actually, annoyingly empty, and I and it was like, we need to plant some stuff here. (Lesley: Looks really weird.) It just a big box. It was so strange. And, and so we started getting palm trees. And my, I asked around, and we found a landscaping guy and I said, "Hey, man, I don't actually know what I'm doing here. I need help. You know, and would you be willing to come work with us." And he told me, "Oh, man, palm trees like, you know, they're, they're impossible to kill. These things are amazing trees. You can plant them anywhere and they're gonna survive." And I was like, "Amazing." So we ended up getting, I don't know, a half dozen or a dozen off of Craigslist and Facebook marketplace and like just through word of mouth have like people like, "I don't want these anymore. Get them out of my yard." And I was like, "Great." So we would go and get these trees and plant them. And we put one in the corner in the back of the yard area, and it died. And I was like, "How come all these other trees are blossoming, they're going just fine. But this, this one just you know didn't make it." And because when I planted it, it was like medium height compared to the other ones. It should have been just fine. And I, I was talking to a neighbor one day. And I said, "I don't get it. This is so weird." And she said, "I think I know." She said years ago, there was a pool in this backyard. And that is where all the pool equipment was stored at right next to that. So I wonder if there was chlorine that leaked into the soil.Lesley Logan  Oh, that's so fascinating. That is (Brad: So) so fascinating. So yeah, so just to tie that back, you know, when you are making decisions and about anything, if you have fear around them, before you officially make that decision. Can you have a little rubber band around your wrist? Snap it and then like, take a moment because ...Brad Crowell  You need to do something to clear the chlorine.Lesley Logan  You need to clear the chlorine. (Brad: Yeah.) You need, you do and and you need to get rid of that fear. And maybe it's meditation, maybe it's going to take time, maybe it's gonna go take who knows, but you have you, you can have the best, you can make the best decision. But if you are in fear, when you're making it, the actions you're going to take are not going to be the actions that get you the result you want. So I just love that. What did you love that he said?Brad Crowell  Well, it's funny, I guess we rolled right into it. He also said, is it possible, he asked is it possible to outlearn fear. And then later on in the conversation, he he said maybe we should say outgrow fear instead of outlearn fear. And he talks about his own experience with his coaches because he's still, you know, again, he's a product of his product. And he, he said, you know, when he gets to a new place with his company, where now he's like hiring coaches and stuff, and he never had that before. So now he's, you know, encountering new obstacles. It's, it's still, you know, he goes through this process of fear. And he said, that's when he goes back to his coaches, and they sit down and talk. But this idea of outgrowing fear, he said, he's beginning to recognize it in his own thinking a little bit more today and help him you know, snap that rubber band as it were, to kind of reset, where before he might actually this wasn't this was really interesting. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna kind of roll this in. I really loved what he said, So should I just not have fear? Should I not feel the fear?" And he said, "No, no, we don't want to nullify your humanity." He said, "You should experience you know, all the feels." Right. Like Lesley says, feel all the fields. You should be happy, sad, angry, afraid, joyful, exuberant, every, you should still feel all the feels. He said, but where we have a choice is how long do you feel the feels? (Lesley: Yeah.) Right. And so if you are, when you encounter fear, how long do you want to stay in that moment of fear? Because it could be I mean, holy hell, I remember with my old job. I, I was effectively in a perpetual state of stress, which is like equivalent to fear. Right. Like perpetual for months.Lesley Logan  Yeah, (Brad: years) I think a lot of people are, I think a lot of people are for years, they're constantly afraid the next year is going to drop. And so it's like, what I love that we talked about in that whole segment was like, sort of notice when you're feeling that, and then you can speed up the process of getting out of it faster. (Brad: Yeah.) And I and I, I do think that like, you can get to a point where you almost can laugh and that fear comes from like, "Oh my God." Okay, (Brad: Yeah) maybe and if you have any here, right, here's what we're gonna do. And it will be for different fears you may be for some things, I can catch them really quickly when it comes to our business. Oh that's my fear right there. With other things that might be with like family or health or like that you might still be learning what those signs are. So just give yourself permission to to be aware. So and I think that we'll go into our BE IT items. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna let us roll into that. Brad Crowell  Okay, all right. Finally, let's talk about those BE IT action items. What both, executable, intrinsic and targeted action items can we take away from your conversation with Chris Goodman? I think that we, we covered some of this already, but find a coach and commit to it. Right. Be a product of your product. And we especially at the beginning, when we were asked answering the question, "Why do you still have a coach?" I think we cover that pretty intentionally. But, you know, this is, this is something you have to seek out, you have to go actually, you know, look for a coach. And like I said, at the beginning, it doesn't have to be business coaching, it could be ...Lesley Logan  It could be any mentor, it could be a life coaching.Brad Crowell  Life coaching. I mean, and the idea of life coaching is always weird, because it's a very amorphous thing. But if you do have a pastor, who you know, is, you know, relatable, that could be a life coach for you, or that could be a coach for you.Lesley Logan  Yeah, there's, there's so many different kinds out there. And you may have need a coach for different parts of your life. So that's, I think, I agree with that BE IT item. I loved it.Brad Crowell  What about you?Lesley Logan  Learn to witness your own thoughts, which just goes back into what you were talking about, be aware of what is happening inside, you don't have to live in a state of misery. So, so not... like, notice, sometimes you might not notice the thoughts before you notice the feelings like I, if I start to live in a stressed out state, my body starts to tell me sometimes before my mind does, and so you ...Brad Crowell  Actually breath. (Lesley: Oh) Right. Chris was talking about breath (Lesley: Yeah) and the shortness of breath, and the shortness of your words, the explosiveness of the words.Lesley Logan  Yeah, if you if you if you are like doing just fine, and then you read something, and then you snap at the next person you talk to, that's your sign, something that's going on ...Brad Crowell  If you're if you suddenly yell at the dogs. (Lesley: Yeah, yeah.) And you were chill a minute before, whatever it is, you know, you're taking it out on your dogs. Right? Like, yeah.Lesley Logan  100% 100%. So I think, like, start to just witness if you haven't, if you're unsure of what what state is what in your body, just start to, just take a week where like, this is what I'm gonna focus on. I'm just gonna focus on how I'm reacting to things. And you're not going to fix it overnight. But you get to and as we already talked about, you're not going to outlearn it, but you are going to be able to speed up the process to which you get out of the state of the misery that you're in. (Brad: Yeah.) So I'm, I'm obsessed. I really, I'm so glad we got to finally have him on. (Brad: And it was great great great episode.) It was so fun. Chris, thank you so freakin much. Okay, everyone, how are you going to use these tips in your life? What did you use? What were your takeaways, what our takeaways, your takeaways? We want to know tag to @be_it_pod. And, I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell  I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan  Thank you so much for joining us. We are so grateful. 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We have all heard it, “sending positive vibes”. But how do “vibes” really play into our day-to-day life? Brad and Lesley recap Dr. Vic's interview and dive into the impact and signs of high vs low vibrations, the importance of finding your anchor, and letting the right energy direct your path. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Winter road trips and upcoming events What a high vibration state means The signs of high or low vibrationsThe benefits of operating in a high vibration How to use a pause as a resetWhy you need to be enlightened and aware to use it as a compass for directing energyCreating your vision so you have a compassUse your vibrations to find what is for youEpisode References/Links:Agency Mini profitablepilates.com/mini  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co hosts in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the abundant Convo I had with Dr. Vic in our last episode. If you haven't yet listen to that interview with feel back, feel free. Feel free to pause this now and go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us. It was there's so much information, there's so much positivity. (Brad: Yeah.) He was like, he was like taking like a dose like a like a, do you know what I mean? Like a zap off ... like of zap off of positivity and ability. And I just really enjoyed that.Brad Crowell  Think he was giving it. (Lesley: Yeah.) Yeah.Lesley Logan  So anyways, if you're listening to this in real time, we're in Nashville. (BradL In Nashville.) Yeah, we're hanging out with episode, I can't think of the number but I think it was in the 40s, Lauren Zoeller. Lauren Zoeller. (Brad: Zoeller) Yeah. Lauren Zoeller. We're hanging out her house. And we're hanging out a bunch of, actually, I think are gonna I think we're in meetings with a bunch of people who've been on the pod.Brad Crowell  Yeah. Also Amber Shaw.Lesley Logan  I know. I know. I hope she's there.Brad Crowell  Maybe Tori. (Lesley: I think so.) We're going to a coaching weekend. (Lesley: Yeah.) We're actually going to bump into a bunch of people ...Lesley Logan  Bunch of are friends. (Brad: Yeah.) That's how we hang out. We're like, (Brad: We're friends.) we're like ...Brad Crowell  slash let's all learn together.Lesley Logan  Let's all learn together. It's a write off, we get to hang out and write it off. (Lesley laughs) Oh my gosh, it's so fun. So anyways, we come home. And we literally kick off our seventh Agency Mini, which is our seven day coaching program, which you've been listening to this show. You've heard us talk about it. And you have the final moments if we have spots left to sign up right now. And if there are no spots left to get on the waitlist for the next one. If you're like, I'll just wait for the next one, then you shouldn't you shouldn't try to get into this one because ...Brad Crowell  You should totally try to get into this one. This one's going to be amazing. We are going to have a couple of guest coach appearances.Lesley Logan  Yeah, we are we are.Brad Crowell  ... You'll have to be there.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I know some of them are going to be total surprises for even our Agency members. (Brad: Yeah.) Which is really exciting who we have some of our Agency members on Profitable, hanging out instead of Mini to support everybody. But we only offer this twice a year. So if you wait to the next time, you're literally holding your business back for months of generating income and getting support and maybe not wasting time on things that won't work and actually like dial in things that well. So that's happening. And then we go to Chicago (Brad: Yeah.) for Pilates on tour. (Brad: That's gonna be fun.) And Erika Quest and I are teaching a workshop together. And then you have a table with our flashcards and our book.Brad Crowell  Yeah, come hang with Brad at the table.Lesley Logan  And then we come home on our seventh year wedding anniversary on the day. And then we have 48 hours to get ready for a bunch of people to be at our house (Brad: Yeah.) for our business retreat. (Brad: Yeah.) So woah! I'm so excited for water, sleep, my higher dose mad, my red light therapy and our incredible team who helps us get all of this done so that we can support all these people because we frickin love doing it.Brad Crowell  Absolutely, I can't I really can't wait to see everyone not only hanging out in Nashville, but actually getting to meet a bunch of people in the Pilates world in Chicago. And then of course, diving diving deep into your businesses for those of you who are joining us here in Las Vegas for the business retreat. (Lesley: Yeah.) So I can't wait.Lesley Logan  I was like dipping. What are we dipping?Brad Crowell  Yeah. We are dipping. If you want ... more information about Agency Mini, just go to profitablepilates.com/miniLesley Logan  Yeah, and Pilates on tour is on the Balanced Body site. And you you can't miss it. Like it's gonna be amazing. It's the first in person event they've had since the last time I was with them, which was in October 2018. So wow! (Brad: Yeah.) Holy frickin moly. (Brad: in a minute) Here we go in a minute. I'm gonna need a question from the audience, Brad.Brad Crowell  Yeah. So we got a question from someone asking, "Are you planning to drive around the country again this winter?" And the answer is, yes.Lesley Logan  Yes. We're still, at this moment of recording, we are still working on it. But we did see it, we did get to talk to Joel.Brad Crowell  We did. I think that this kind of goes hand in glove with our tours that we have been doing the last handful of years. You know, skipping COVID year of course, but I think this this year, we have a different timeline. We have to be back in Vegas for January one for a wedding.Lesley Logan  For actually December 31. (Brad: Oh, December 31 for a wedding.) Yeah, I know. So we are working on planning out the route. And we're kind of thinking we'll leave a little earlier and do the tour before the holiday.Brad Crowell  Yeah. It'll probably all happen first. And then we'll hang (Lesley: We haven't ...) with family before turning around and come to Vegas.Lesley Logan  We have not ... Yeah. We have not picked all the cities yet. We're still working that out. And so you can throw your city in. (Brad: Yeah.) You absolutely can throw your city and I will say ...Brad Crowell  It's gonna be a different route this year than normal because we don't have the luxury. I was really hoping to get up into the Northeast. Get up into Canada even but I'm not sure we're gonna pull it off this year.Lesley Logan  He always has hopes it will dry and (Brad: ... really we're going Canada.) no winter time. I know. But I don't want to go, why would we drive into Toronto in the winter? (Brad: Because we're going to be on that side of the world.) To my Torontonians I fucking love you. I just don't like, tell Brad if like summer driving into Toronto is a better idea. (Brad: I know it is. I've been there.) Yeah. (Brad: Yes.) I have not. But anyways, so we you can throw your city out there. Typically, we have host studios. They're usually affiliates of OPC. And they basically help us promote it in the area. We pop in, we do a workout, we have a little hang. And then Brad and I give the dogs walk and get back on the road. But we're super excited to get that planned. And so yeah, we the answer is yes. I know the answer before is like I don't know. But the answer is now, yes. And I'm excited to, I'm excited to do like just it's like a one legged tour. It's like a tour on one end. (Brad: We're gonna hop.) Yeah, we're gonna hop hop hop. But yeah, it's, but we're very excited to be able to attend a wedding. So we're trying to make that work, which just means traveling back from Philly to Las Vegas in literally four days.Brad Crowell  We've done it and we've done it faster.Lesley Logan  We've done it faster. So I think it's possible. (Brad: It's possible.) Yeah, it's possible. Okay. So yeah, you can just hit up opc.me/chat if you want to throw your city and there and then our team will figure out like if whether if you're on a route that allows us to get from, I wouldn't say a to b but it's literally LV to PA and, and back. So and you would be surprised what's on the route because Atlanta is on that route. We are working out (Brad: Oh, yeah.) Atlanta. We talked to Joel as I mentioned from Vitality Method. So we'll see you there.Brad Crowell  Looking forward to that. Okay, now let's talk about Dr. Victor Manzo, transitioning from a practicing Pediatric Chiropractor meaning kids. Right? I didn't know. (Lesley and Brad laughs)Lesley Logan  The way you said that was like as if the word Pediatric is is new.Brad Crowell  It is like I didn't know Chiropractors worked on kids.Lesley Logan  Brian, our Chiropractor (Brad: I know Brian does) works on kids. He has pictures of kids.Brad Crowell  Before I met Brian, I didn't know that was a thing. So yes, I didn't realize that Chiropractors could do that. Anyway, moving right along. A practicing Pediatric Chiropractor too, a spiritual business mindset coach. Dr. Vic is on a mission to influence and help people become aware of their limiting beliefs, their habits, standards, and the stories they tell themselves. Then he shares his insights to help them reframe and change their beliefs to support life they love. Dr. Vic is also the creator and owner of The Mindful Experiment Podcast and the author of three books that are seeking to assist people in their everyday spiritual lives.Lesley Logan  And also, just so you know, Manzo is like the American way and Manzo is the Italian way. So if you if you can say either, apparently, but if you wanted a little education in languages. (Brad: Good to know.) Yeah. (Brad: Dr. Victor Manzo.) Yeah.Brad Crowell  But you have to say it with a British accent.Lesley Logan  I know. I'm saying, I don't think that's how it sounds either. But we're just gonna keep going. I'm just gonna let that roll. Okay, one thing I love that he said was our job is to stay at a high vibration. And I think we can all agree that that is a very positive and helpful thing. And I think the next question is like, "Okay, but how do we do this?" Because you can no longer go, "Yes, I need to stay in high vibration" and then boom, you're in a low vibration state and it's like, "Oh, I'm trying to stay in a high vibration."Brad Crowell  I don't even know what a high vibration state means.Lesley Logan  Okay. Well, that's, that's an even better question. So I would say you are in a high vibration. There's a flow state, you know, when like, things come easy to you when you're at work, and you just like, just get a ton of stuff done. You said this before, like, "I got a ton of stuff done."Brad Crowell  Oh, yeah. (Lesley: Yeah.) I always looked forward to that. Like I really, and it was like, for me, it was like, "Don't ever talk to me, don't bother me. I mean, I'm in the zone."Lesley Logan  Yeah. But it's, you often don't know that you don't want anyone talk to you because you're until you're in the zone, you (Brad: Yeah.) don't go, "Don't talk to me, I'm in the zone." (Brad laughs) That would not be a high vibration. You are, you like start to get in this flow state and you start to and everything comes a little easier for you. And so when you're in that, that's like you're trying to tap into that. And that state and that's not easy. And you cannot be there if you're like, "Oh, fuck this, this thing is not working." Ah that you like, though, when you get when you're really snappy at little things, you are in a low vibration. So just just a quick thing if you are like if somebody bumps into on the street, or someone cuts you off while you're driving, there's your sign. You're not a high vibration. But if you are like driving, and someone ...Brad Crowell  Well, it depends on how you react to them cutting you off. You don't have any control over them cutting him off, but how you react to them. (Lesley: Correct.) Yeah.Lesley Logan  Yeah. So anyways, you don't have a buffer on your cars like this a high vibration car, park up. (Lesley laughs) Anyways, so the idea is like, we have to our job is to try to stay at the high vibration. Now that requires work. But that's what job is, that's what a job is. It's also an exercise. And you're going to have times where it's easier to stay the high vibration and times when it's harder. And you you maybe can't stay in there as long because you tap out sooner. But you know what it's up, the more you can, he said anchoring will help you find a high vibration moment in your life. So anchoring is he's, a lot of times people use this, like anchor into something. So you can think back to a time this what do you exit, think back to a time when you it was easy for you to do that. Like we just was like, oh, you know, when you say you're at work, and you do it like this. So you you think about what that is? And then you can also think about what happened before that, that allowed that flow state to happen or how did you set that up, so becomes really easy for you. So if there was a time when you like, were really confident or really positive in your life, it was a really happy moment, you can go and go into meditation, you can think about that moment. And then you can go, you can actually feel it in your body. Like if I asked you to feel about a time right now, everybody think back to the time when you were like, feeling the most positive, like, on top of the world. Like you just felt like, "Oh my God, this is the most amazing, I never want to stop." Sometimes for me, it's on the top of a hike in Hawaii, like when you're there and like you're like, "Wow, I just feel so like, literally in inside myself in the most positive and like, I never want this to end. What did that feel like? What does it sound like? Like, what does it taste like?"Brad Crowell  Yeah, a lot of times it's an achievement or a win that you've, you know, just add in your life and whether that was a something that you've been, you know, chasing for a very long time or something that just happened, you know, for you remember how you felt in that moment. You know, there's a he describes it later on in the pod as like the moment of bliss or joy, you know exuberance, happiness. And you know, that I think that he, he kept saying something throughout it that was a little bit woo for me, he's like, you gotta like, you know, be in the vibe. And it's funny because I use the word vibe, but like I am, what was really surprising to me is that he's a doctor who went into being a spiritual guide, which is kind of the opposite of what I expect most people to do, because they're trying to prove something right and so they go and they really get into like science and medicine and like proof, and tangible, and logic and like he is all the foundation of that doctoral, you know, logic and then he's actually applying it into the spiritual, the the attaining a spiritual life (Lesley: Yeah.) and, and when he's talking about this vibe, he said he said that the he said basically when you're operating when you are attaining achieving in a higher vibe, you are going to have a better life. (Lesley: Yeah.) And you're going to achieve more things. Life is going to work for you more often, (Lesley: People want to be around you.) people want to be around you. Yeah, he talks about that, like being in a room around someone who is operating at a higher vibe, you want to just be in their presence. And you know, and then, and then when you two were talking about like, well, how do you, how do you identify the higher vibe? That's what he's talking about anchoring. Remembering a moment where you've had a crazy celebration in your life or something really amazing. And he talks about his daughter, or if it is not his his child just being born six weeks ago or whatever. And in that moment of joy that he felt, then is something that that's an anchor, that's something he can be like, "Okay, cool."Lesley Logan  Yeah. Yeah, I think like, so find your anchor. And then, and then if you are ever out, if you're ever feeling like, "Wow, I'm just like losing it every few minutes, right now, today is not a great day." Take five seconds to like, go back to that moment, like maybe have to write on a post it notes. So you just it's easily I know, I can't think of good things when it's a bad thing. So I like have it somewhere where you can easily access it. (Brad: Yeah.) And and then go try to anchor into that and see if you can tap into that high vibration. I know for me, I'll turn on my red light therapy, and I'll sit and play this one little mantra meditation takes like five minutes. And it's like, all these positive mantras. And I'm like, "I feel so good when it's over." So you know (Brad: Well ...) your thoughts, the tools out there.Brad Crowell  I liked that you said that, because he was talking about forcing it, you know, and taking a pause, and allowing that to be effectively like a reset button, you know, and he was, there was actually a lot of conversation about forcing it. And I know, I know that I do that. Or I'm like, "I have to get this done. I only have another hour to get this done." And I'm like ehhh. Right. And and like to be honest, it's generally not my best work.Lesley Logan  Or it takes longer if you just take in 15 minutes to like, go rest, go reset, you (Brad: Yeah.) might come back and get it done faster. And you won't, it'll be better work.Brad Crowell  Yeah. (Lesley: Yeah.) And that, you know, it can be as simple meditation as it were, where you are effectively stepping back from something that might be frustrating you and and reflecting back to what your your anchor is, where you can, "Okay, how do I reframe where I'm at right now? How do I get back into joy?" Right. Before I then go get back into this project that I have to get done. (Lesley: Yeah.) So yeah, that's really interesting. And what I really loved about that is a) I felt there was a very practical approach, but also to, he said, "Hey, look, you know, give yourself a break here." This is something that's a habit you have to create, you know, you can conceptualize it right now. But in the moment, you may forget. And so you know, it's okay. This something you need to practice.Lesley Logan  Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you can't get in like, I think it's so weird that we want to get everything right the first time. I say this with Agency members, like we teach them something, and then they get frustrated, like, "I can't do it." It's like, "We'll you just learned it, like five seconds ago." Once you don't, like you don't like you can get it conceptually, but then you got to do it. And you're like, "Ah, it's a great." Because you just learned it. You just learned you have to do it again. And then you have to learn it from a different angle. And then you have to like put into your own words. So you can't you have to just be, you have to just be kind to yourself. And (Brad: Yeah.) like when you are being hard on yourself about how you're not good enough. The first time you do something you are that's just here's your sign. Not a high vibration. I feel like Jeff Foxworthy, "Here's your sign, you are in low vibration."Brad Crowell  All right, so finally, let's talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Dr. Vic, Victor Manzo? (Lesley: Yeah.) He had, he kind of he repeated himself a handful of times throughout the thing, the whole interview so I thought that was great because it made it he's got like a very clear path on how to stay in that high vibration. And so right out of the gate, he said, "You need to have or create your vision." Okay, and that vision for, the vision is for your life. You know, do you see yourself staying where you are doing the thing you're doing? Is that something you love and you're already doing that thing? Or are you not where you want to be? Where do you want to be? And he suggested to make that like an anchor or sorry to play that like a movie in your head and associate it with those vibes from the anchor that we already talked about earlier. Right? So you know, if you are like, I'm going to get that promotion at work, you know, and so "see" yourself getting the promotion at work. I mean, you hear this actually, from football players all the time, like, see yourself scoring the goal, see yourself catching the ball, see yourself getting past the opponent, whatever, you know. And then he talked about relating that vision that you're creating with the emotions, the joy from that moment that you're anchored.Lesley Logan  You know, they've actually done studies where they had people think about working out like literally put their mindset into like, actually, like lifting weights in their mind. And then they had people workout, but not think about it. And then they had people do both. And the people who worked out and people thought about working out had the same strength scores.Brad Crowell  I did not know that.Lesley Logan  Yeah, like, yeah, it's because our mind is so powerful. (Brad: Amazing.) And like when I was talking with Jay, Jay Grimes, he's my Pilates mentor. He, I told him this, and he's like, "Oh, yeah." He's like, "I used to get so tired after teaching two hours, because my body was like, doing the workout with them." Like, the muscle, like, he's like, "I wasn't rounding forward, I was just standing there. But like, my muscles, were doing the things." And I because you're like, (Brad: So, I mean ...) feeling it, you know. And so even ...Brad Crowell  No wonder teaching can be very draining.Lesley Logan  It can be and then people bring their own weird emotions too. And then client's bring theirs.Brad Crowell  They are bringing those low vibrations.Lesley Logan  Yeah. (Brad: Yeah.) But he, but he talks about, like, you know, even he says, now he's like, "Mate, I want to, I want to, like, I want to feel, I want to feel your mood while exercising. Like, I, he can't do it now. So I want to feel for you, you know, so you gotta do that way." (Brad: Sure.) So I think you have it, I love what his point was. And I think like, it's not, I don't think we give ourselves enough time to sit still. And like picture the thing that we want. And like, create that, like, see the vision. (Brad: Yeah.) And even if you're not a visual person, then write it frickin down.Brad Crowell  Yeah, he did talk about that. He said, a lot of people, maybe they can't, like, create, like a movie in their head, but they can write it down and then and they create the story that way. (Lesley: Yeah.) Yeah, totally.Lesley Logan  So, I really loved um, become aware and use it for that as a compass for the work that you want to achieve. So like he was talking about vibe and paid attention and the excitement gave a whole demonstration about like, rub your hands. Do you ever remember? I remember being a kid in a school bus and like, we would like put our hands like, do you ever do this? Where you like put your hand like close to their hands? You could do with me. Do with me. Give me your hand. (Brad: Okay.) And like you would you would like get close with your hand and (Brad: Oh, yeah.) they got further away. (Brad: I feel the heat.) And you can, yeah, you feel that, you can feel energy. (Brad: Yeah.) Yeah. So we've ...Brad Crowell  He actually talked about taking your hands and rubbing them together. (Lesley: Yeah.) And then holding them slightly apart and you can feel you know that energy between them.Lesley Logan  I'm vibing so high. I didn't even need to do that. You felt it anyway. (Brad and Lesley laugh) But anyways, like he gave like a very kinesthetic exercise you could do to feel that vibe. And you can also just the I think it's really interesting like awareness is so key. And we even talked with like Lena Franklin, she's like, once you're aware you're enlightened. But when you can actually have that feeling of like when you become aware what you're wanting and the vibe you want to have. It is so much easier to use that as a compass and know how far off you are. I'm turning because I'm like, and then like how, like a compass. Right. You can come back to it.Brad Crowell  Yeah, yeah. Sorry, I think I feel like we're missing a step to connect those dots here. So the first what he's talking about is we operate better when we are in a high vibration. Right. But we're not always in a high vibration. (Lesley: No.) Right. And so ...Lesley Logan  You can change, you can be in high vibration in the morning and low by an hour later. Like you can it's like you're a human.Brad Crowell  So the, so we operate better at a high vibration, and we're not always operating in a high vibration. Right. So then we have, how do you know what a high vibration is? That's where the anchoring is. Right? And then we have going out and doing life. And in you then once you understand, once you begin to associate high vibration, and identity be able to identify that internally throughout your day, which is where the practice part comes in. Then when you're trying something new. You can start to feel, "Am I in the right place? You know for this"? And you can start to identify like, "this thing might not be for me." You know and this other thing, "Oh yeah, this is totally for me." Because you're starting to to associate like you start to identify, "Oh, yeah, this, this makes me feel good."That's why I feel like it's a compass. Right? Because when you identify, "This is my this is my anchor. This is my high vibration." Right. And you're doing something that is like 100% not making you connect with that vibration, you can start to say, "Well, maybe maybe I don't want to go be, this isn't my thing."Lesley Logan  I also just want to like, counterpoint, which I know I talked about, we love what you said. But I think with that description, it's very easy for someone to try something new feel like their compass is off. And it's actually the people that they did the new thing with, and it's not the new thing. For example, I really loved that lyric class that I did. I thought the teacher was great. I had the best time, it was amazing. I went back, and my compass was like, "This is off. This is not fun." I left feeling worse than when I came. And then I didn't go back. And actually, the reality was, is just the people that I was with for that moment, made the compass off (Brad: Interesting.) not the thing. So I really think that people there's like ...Brad Crowell  So it's almost like something that we can bring. It's something we bring to a situation. And it's also something that we can be paying attention to.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I mean, let's just think about like, you and I used to go on hikes. We love hikes. (Brad: Yeah.) And there's a few hikes in there that I remember going, "Fuck this shit. When was this fucking hike over?" Because the people brought it the low vibration. The people took the compass the wrong way. And so I think it's like, we have to be really mindful of like, is it the activity or is or the location or is it the person? Because there are some things I frickin love doing that I would never do it some people. And so I think we can be a little quick to go, "My compass is off. This isn't for me," when actually, it that's the thing. It's just the wrong. Like, can you imagine if your first date experience blew up and was the worst thing ever? Like, I'm never dating again? No, it was the wrong date. Right? Like, or your first job was like, the most awful experience? Like I'm never working again.Brad Crowell  Yeah but I think that's exactly right. When you know that something is your high vibration. Right? For like, for example, that moment of joy, whatever that is. And then you go on a date, and you're like, "This did not bring me joy. This is nowhere where the close to where I want to feel (Lesley: Right.) to be." Then you know, then you can say, "All right, cool." You know?Lesley Logan  Yeah, but that's my point. You know, it's that person, not the dating, not the activity. You went on another date with somebody else. (Brad: Yeah.) Yeah. I think we're saying the same thing. I'm just making sure people ... (Brad: It's not always about people tho.) No, it can also be the nice amazing people on the worst activity. I think that's, I think we need to compasses. (Brad: Yeah.) Are there like compasses with like a node? A weather pattern. I don't know. Like, I feel like there's like a dewpoint that goes along. I don't know, there's just has to be another layer. Because I really, I'm a little wor... I'm a little concerned that some people will go, "Oh, my compass is off. I didn't like this thing," when maybe it's not the thing. It's like, the place where the thing was. The person where the thing was. I'm not trying to tell people to convince themselves to do something different. But I'm just a little worried that people might give up on the first try of some things based on this one particular example.Brad Crowell  Here's what I think we're gonna do. I think this is a really interesting conversation. I, we're gonna send this to Dr. Victor Manzo. And we're gonna get his input. (Lesley laughs) But in the meantime, (Lesley: Because I really love it.) in the meantime, we want your input. (Lesley: Yeah.) Where do you stand here? Is this something that you're applying or something that you're putting yourself in a situation and then feeling? Right? Or are you applying it to a situation because you're reframing your mind?Lesley Logan  Yeah, I just, I just want to I just want to make sure that we're not giving pe... like giving people, I totally agree with what he said, when I was on the podcast. What I'm a little concerned with, with just the way we're talking about it, is that we're making it so that it's, it might be too easy to write off something that just might there might be the wrong ingredient. It's like a food. It's like, if you like I like there's Latkes right, and there's all these different types of flavors. And there's a couple that I would never ever eat and there was a few that you put some apple sauce on it and fuck yeah, I want that. So I'm just I'm just trying to say like, I'm a little concerned that people might write something off that's right for them, but it was in the wrong place, people or thing.Brad Crowell  Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna talk to doc. (Lesley laughs) And we're gonna leave us a voicemail. (Lesley: Yeah.) And put it into one of the recaps coming up.Lesley Logan  Yes. Okay, (Brad: Yeah.) sounds good. (Brad: I love it.) Okay, I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan  Thank you so much for joining us today. We're so grateful you're here. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Let us know by sending us a DM to the pod. And or you can you can put a comment on the YouTube. (Brad: Yeah.) Um, we don't have a phone number for you to call in and leave a voicemail but you can leave a voice message on on the Instagram. So, I sound like an eighty year old, you can do on the Facebook. (Brad: You can do on the w w's) (Lesley laughs) You can do on the emails. (Brad laughs) Anyways, thank you so much and until next time, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell  Bye for now.Lesley Logan  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. 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But you cannot have both.How to use your past experiences as a jumping-off point to take you where you want to goEpisode References/Links:Retreat InfoAgency MiniFuck being Humble  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the compounding convo I have with Stef Caldwell in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause us now. Go back and listen to that one. And then come back and join us.Brad Crowell  Yeah, (Lesley: So) it was a great convo.Lesley Logan  It's so fun. I really, I have I've really, I'm so glad we got her on the pod. I heard her on another pod. And I was like, "I had to get her on." And you know, it's so fun is like I literally like DM her while I was listening. And I was like, "Do you want to be on my pod?" And she said, "Yes." So...yea.Brad Crowell  Yeah. I listened to the, to that episode two times to prep for this one, because there was just a lot there. And I feel like there was a lot of overlap with my experience in and like, what, like how she got to where she was, she had a very distinct break from me and that she felt like she had hit a gender glass ceiling. But the startup aspect, doing all the different roles, you know, living in that life that made me think of me but (Lesley: Yeah) my background.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I think there's a lot of similarities but what I love about what she did, and we'll talk more about it, I'm sure in a second but like, she saw a problem. And that's what she used to solve to like take her down a journey. And I think a lot of times we see problems and we see them as holding us back. (Brad: Yeah.) As opposed to like the obstacles the way as Ryan Holiday would say, and I don't even know how I rhymed three words in a row but I'm so proud of myself. Okay, before we get into Stef Caldwell, couple things from if you're listening this in real time. Hey, how are ya? (Brad: Hello.) It is 10 days until 7th Agency Mini start. (Brad: Yeah.) You have seven day coaching program. And, Brad and I have already like meal prep, dog prep. (Brad: I know.) We are ready because we are going to have more people in this one than we've ever had. (Brad: Yeah.) And we can do that because we have more coaches but ...Brad Crowell  And we actually have help this time. It's not just the two of us.Lesley Logan  Yeah, which is actually benefits all of them in different ways because each person has an arsenal that is like what they are so good at and that's the thing about Agency is that it's not about like there's just one way and this is the pamphlet and you fill out this questionnaire and all the fill in the blanks and boom you have ad copy, sales copy, (Brad: Yeah, yeah.) but no we don't do any of that, (Brad: We doesn't do that.) we doesn't do that. So each person brings a different skill sets. I'm so excited. If you have not yet signed up for that and you are in the fitness business world trainers, yoga teachers, Pilates instructors, any, massage therapists, doulas, profitablepilates.com/mini will take you to the page to sign up and get into the group.Brad Crowell  Yeah, profitablepilates.com/mini. And if you are listening to this after we've already gotten started, just go there and get yourself on the waitlist for next round.Lesley Logan  And then which will not be this year, but it'll be sometime next year. (Brad: Yeah.) And then like, like not even ... (Brad: Yeah, just under a month.) Just under a month. I'm like, "Where is the calendar?" We are going to have people in our house for our biz retreat, which is (Brad: Yeah.) so exciting. So if you are ...Brad Crowell  Our actual house in Vegas. (Lesley: Yeah.) It's a party.Lesley Logan  Yeah. And it is a party. It's going to be a lot of fun. It's a very small group and you get a ton of hands on support in your business. So if you're someone who's like, "Online doesn't work for me. I need to be there in the room." Well, this is the room and we're inviting you in and if you're like, "I'll do the next one." There isn't one. (Brad: Yeah. There literally is not one.) Not on the schedule and unfortunately just because there are only 365 days in a year and I do like to take off some of them. We just don't have enough time.Brad Crowell  Slash I'd rather be in Cambodia.Lesley Logan  I know. We're so excited. I mean we love our house but we're, speaking of Cambodia.Brad Crowell  Oh yeah, well, if you if you want to join us there's still room on this year's business retreat starts October five, just go to profitablepilates.com/retreat. And you can get all the deets there.Lesley Logan  If your local drive on in and (Brad: Yeah.) if you're not local, we have a discount link for an incredible hotel that is a mile from our house so you can just ride a bike.Brad Crowell  Yeah. (Lesley: Yeah.) But yeah, speaking of Cambodia, we'll be going there.Lesley Logan  We have a few spots left and I know you're like, "It's six six weeks away. That's international trip." Hello, you only need a few weeks to get ... (Brad: I think seven. Seven weeks away.) Seven weeks. Well, first of all that's fine, buy a plane ... they're the same and buy a plane ticket now and then they visa is actually not complicated to get because you can't even apply till you're 30 days out of your trip anyways. So there you go.Brad Crowell  Yeah, you know, yeah, exactly your your visa. Usually, you don't want to apply for the visa until you know about a month out. I think it's available valid for 90 days, but anyway, it's easy to do, they turn it around pretty quickly, literally three days is the typical return time (Lesley: Yeah.) on the visas. So (Lesley: Yeah.) no big deal.Lesley Logan  Go to lesleylogan.co/retreatsBrad Crowell  Retreat.Lesley Logan  Retreat. Just one, one word.Brad Crowell  Yeah, singular. (Lesley: Just singular.) lesleylogan.co/retreatLesley Logan  Just retreat. Cool. Okay, so before we go back to Stef Caldwell and all for awesomeness. Do we have an audience question to respond to?Brad Crowell  Yeah, we totally do. And I laughed when I when we got this question, because ...Lesley Logan  We've been getting this question from a lot of people. So ...Brad Crowell  Yeah. It was more like, "Hello. Are you alive? Is everything okay?" You may have heard that there's been rain in Las Vegas ...Lesley Logan  By the way, it does rain in Las Vegas.Brad Crowell  Yeah. Pretty intense. Oh, it's weird when it snows because it has snowed. But that's what it's like, "What?" But every year there's a monsoon season here, which I didn't know existed until we moved here. And, and then I was like, "Why is there, why is it so darn windy? Why is there 45 50 mile an hour winds right now?" And then ... (Lesley: Oh, it's rainy. It's five days.) And then kablooey. The skies opened up and the rain was literally going sideways. That was the first summer we're here. We're like, "Where did we just move to?" This past monsoon season, I think we might still be at the tail end of it at this point but I'm not sure. Anyway, it was it's been intense. It's been like really ...Lesley Logan  Well, it's been the rain that we've needed. But we haven't had a monsoon season like this for a couple of years. So I think a) people forgot and (Brad: Yeah.) b) I think that, that the media has want something new to talk about. So ...Brad Crowell  Well, it's also setting records. I mean, in August, we had a typical August we get like point three inches of rain for the whole month. And in you know, in the middle of August, there was one night that rain point six inches in three hours. So literally double in three hours. What we normally we get for the entire month.Lesley Logan  Yeah. And so ... so to answer your question first, we are fine ...Brad Crowell  Yeah, we're totally okay. We sit up a little bit, we're just slightly elevated by, I don't know, 100 feet, or 200 feet from the strip. So all those videos that you saw online of like rain coming out of the TVs inside of the casinos and like cars floating away and stuff. I mean, it was it's been bananas. We're a little bit elevated from that. So the water runs downhill. It definitely, you know, still pounds on the house. But fortunately, (Lesley: Yeah.) it's been okay.Lesley Logan  And so I definitely think that whoever built those casinos, maybe you need to take a look at how things were built in the mid 50s. But the other thing is, is like it is it is natural for a monsoon to happen. And the storms do carry a lot of rain. (Brad: Yeah.) And the city actually has been built for this, there's actually 600 miles of sewage systems going on ...Brad Crowell  Runoff just like runoff piping under 600 miles of pipes underneath the city. It doesn't necessarily all flow back to Lake Mead, although we wish that it did. But it does at least try to run off the water.Lesley Logan  And it's kind of interesting when I first moved here, someone said, if it rains and you're driving, pull over, just pull over and just wait a few minutes because the city, the streets are actually built so that the water goes into the sewage systems and gets out of the way. And so you don't want to just be like getting ready to like flood (Brad: Yeah.) and float off with ... But at any rate, like it isn't something that's like shocking for the area. It just seems shocking, because it's a little dramatic that people were playing slot machines while rain was pouring down on them.Brad Crowell  I saw dude with an inner tube going down the strip. I was like, "Okay."Lesley Logan  Yeah, yeah. So and then, Lake Mead did rise to feet and the fuselage that was half showing that was very exciting, because they knew it was down there some World War II thing. They knew it was down there, but they couldn't get to it. Well, it was halfway showing and it's now not showing as much. And (Brad: Yeah.) so and they did find five bodies so far. So only one do they think was a murderer. I know what the mafia here we did... I think those bodies are in the desert. But that's fine. That's my own, that's my own thing from the Uber drivers who I've had, who missed the mafia running the place because they're like, there was no crime, people would just get taken out to the desert and shot, I was like, oh, so they're not in like me. So anyways, thank you for the worries. And to my mother in law who sent me, stay safe, hugs. (Brad: Yeah.) Thank you.Brad Crowell  We're kind of out of the mess a little bit. So, (Lesley: Yeah, yeah, we do ...) didn't hit us quite as severely as what she saw.Lesley Logan  And we also do know how to count the thunder and the lightning away from each other so we could go take the dogs for a walk if it wasn't totally a storm. (Brad: Yeah, yeah.) Okay, finally.Brad Crowell  Yeah, let's talk about Stef Caldwell. (Lesley: Yeah, yeah.) So Stef is a Personal Development Author, Angel Investor and Vice President of Sales for Silicon Valley FinTech company. Okay. If you're not familiar with FinTech, it means financial tech. Right. So she is the VP of Sales for a Finance Tech company. Passionate about closing the gender gap in half the time, and will briefly talk about what half the time means. She is an advocate for women's financial literacy and their participation in emerging industries. So women can realize gender equality, and and she's really focused on leading more inclusion and profitability for all people over time.Lesley Logan  Yeah. And I think that's like, you know, what's really interesting is when she did talk about the financial gap and how many years it would take, like ...Brad Crowell  208 years. (Lesley: Yeah. And like just ...) Well, what is that, what does that specifically mean? If if the increase in wages and increase in wealth proceeds at the current rate than it is today, it will not be equal, between men and women for 208 more years.Lesley Logan  Yeah. And then also, just so we all are clear, like, whatever you picture, when we say, women, when you think of people of color, it just get like, the gap gets bigger. So what, what is really great is if we can take all of women, and we can actually help bridge that gap, it will actually have a wonderful effect on people of all colors, and all backgrounds. And I think that's really important because what we do know about women and spending money is when women make money, they give it back to the community. And no offense to the men listening to this podcast, thank you so much. But typically, they keep it for themselves. Or they like put in stocks and things like that. But like giving back to the community actually makes the community better. It makes people in the community have more success. And it's this really incredible thing. And so I'm really I just that's one of the reasons I had her on because I, I I know that like engineer, I was taught how to balance a checkbook. And like that was the extent of my investment, financial literacy. I've learned everything from podcasts and books.Brad Crowell  Yeah, yeah. She, she definitely like had a whole lot of things to say. What was one thing that... What are two things actually, because there's so much I put a couple of things for each of us today.Lesley Logan  Well, you know, of course, I loved were 'Fuck Being Humble' that book that she talked about, I was like, "What, how do we talk about this? How did I miss this? How do I not know this?" So like, I, I think that a lot, including myself, we won't do things, women especially won't do things because like, "Oh, well that could take away from this person." Like I will and yes, there are reasons to do that. But like, I remember, you proposed to me, and I was like, "Oh my gosh, wait, what about the other girl who has proposed to yesterday on this trip? Maybe we shouldn't do this right now." Like, I, like, you know what I mean? And like, so I just really, I really loved her bringing up this book. And she says, imagine you're the bossest version of yourself. And then remember that when you're going going to be the most humble. And I think that there is definitely some ways of being in between that and writing that line. But like, if you don't know what that boss is version of yourself is it's really hard to like ...Brad Crowell  It's a weird word (Lesley: Yeah.) boss is bossest. (Lesley: The most boss.) You're the most boss. Like, how could you be boss? Right. And so basically, the idea was, she said, listen, you know, by nature, or by nurture, actually, we have been told, "Be humble. Be humble. Be humble." You know, yada, yada, yada. And she said, what if we said, what if we were not humble just for a moment? What if we were like, what if what if it only the world only revolved around us? What if we only had our things going, you know, and everything was all about me? Which seems so weird and awkward and like a little, you know, like, like, whoa, that's ... Right, deep breath. What if just what if, because she said," That person is in there. It's just that we smother that with this, this teaching that we should be humble." And I think that there's for sure there's a balance of what would be good, but what you know, between the two, but I think most often we end up putting ourselves last, or we don't fight for ourselves because, oh, well, we're supposed to be humble and we're not supposed to, you know, like, like, if you feel arrogant or you feel like you're doing something wrong if you are advocating for yourself or fighting for yourself, and she said, "Don't do that when you're when you're talking about finances." I think a great example of this would be negotiating a salary.Lesley Logan  Well, and I think first like this to go back. If you're listening to this podcast, there's a big chance that you are not a narcissist egotistical maniac, and there's a huge chance that you are an awesome human being who cares about others and the reason you're listening to this is because you have some sort of idea of who you should be in this world. And you want to do that because it's going to help others. So I'm just going to say that so even the most boss version of yourself the bossest version of yourself. In this world were, it's all about you in no way. Are you like frickin like, "fu everyone, it's all about me." For sure you're like, "How can I like bring these people together? And how can I bring (Brad: Yeah.) these people together?" So just like put that in there and then yes, when it comes to like a negotiate of salary. So many people are like, first of all, they like play small, they're like, "Do you think I could have? Like, is there a time that I could have like a raise?" Like, there's no confidence in there. You're, you're actually the wrong set of humble. You know, so it's like, actually, what like, think about it? Why do you deserve that raise? What have you done? How do you do that? And then you state your case for like, this is what I've done for the company. Here's what I want to do, I'm going to need more for to these things. What are your thoughts on this, and they could still say no, and that doesn't mean that you're not worth it, it could just be like what's going on with them, but at least they know, "Oh, this is what she's bringing to the table, or they're bringing to the table." And wow, they know this, there's something really like attractive about someone who's like, "This is how much I'm worth." I want to go (Brad: Yes.) to something really quick, she talked about this goes along with it, like we are able to receive, what we're able to receive is based on what we're available for it's a mindset, if you if your mindset is, in this humble state, I'm not going to ask for more, just a little bit, I don't want to ask for even more than what I need, because I won't take from anybody else, you're not going to be available. Like you're not even gonna see opportunities, networking opportunities, some of you want to teach workshops, or like, go out and have this opportunity this happened to you. But if you are playing so small with your financial literacy and those words around you, the universe is literally there to go, here's what you want. And you're like, I'm actually I need it to be this big. If you're on YouTube, I'm making it this big. Um, and then it's like, okay, well, that's all you're going to see and be available for. So many of you are actually keeping, and I can put myself in this keeping ourselves from having the opportunity to have more, just some based on what we're able to see. And then ...Brad Crowell  Well, I think I think, you know, she stuck this in here. So I love that we're digging it out. You know, if you, you know, she's talking about the way we value ourselves and how we think about, you know, like, the amount of money we want to make. She was talking about incomes, you know, am I you know, am I, you know, am I a $10,000 earner, $100,000 earner, $10 million earner, like, how does that work? And she was talking about how that changes how you show up, you know, to what it is that you're doing, when you have that those perspectives. But she said, you know, how much of how much you make, and how much you're able to receive is based on what you're available for, if you are saying, "I'm only, you know, I only think I'm worth $50,000," and someone offers you a $100,000 job. You might be afraid of that. (Lesley: Oh, yeah.) And you probably go, "Oh, wow." You know, instead of like, "That's damn right. I'm worth $100,000." Right? So it's a mindset thing, the way we see ourselves, you know, and, and so the other side of it is this, if you see yourself as someone who's worth making $100,000, but you're only making $50,000 then there's a there's a gap there that you will figure out a way to fill.Lesley Logan  Yeah, (Brad: You know) and also you'll be open to it. You know, like if you I remember, like think believing that money is all around me and money is find me. Like remember having as a mantra, money just finds me. And sure enough, one day I was walking up the stairs at that Equinox was Hollywood. And it's these like tight stairs, these like, I don't even know how they I say this all the time. I don't know how to pass. (Brad: Narrow, narrow stairs.) They're very narrow, especially because people have gym bags, there was $100 in cash on the steps. I picked it up. I put it in my office desk in case anyone like because my my studio is right at the top of the stairs. So I thought well, for sure someone will just like probably come and look for an employee. And, and I waited and I, no one came up to me. And then I asked the front desk security thing. I said, "Hey, is anyone mentioned they're missing any money?" And they said, "No." And I said, "Okay." Two weeks later, no one has like this is for me, this was meant for me to have. So guess what? No one ever asked for it. It was put there because money is always flowing to me. And I ... (Brad: Yeah.) Do you know what? I needed that $100 that week because it was perfect. So I think like we have two homework assignment for you all. So like, really think about how much you are as an earner. Like what does that look like? If it's $50,000 there's no, I'm not discounting that. For some people that is all they want. And that is there's nothing wrong with that. But if you do want $100,000 there's also nothing wrong with money in that. (Brad: That's true.) It's also not, there's nothing wrong with wanting eight figures. It is all about going back to your why you want it and then believing that you're worth it and then putting the energy out there because you will see, you'll be available for the opportunities that come with that that people are trying to put in front of you. (Brad: Yeah.) ... just well.Brad Crowell  Yeah. I love that. There was one of the things that she mentioned. She said, "Where you put your effort, it does expand."Lesley Logan  Well, that's the freakin truth.Brad Crowell  Yeah. So I wanted you, I wanted you to talk about that.Lesley Logan  Okay. So this, this is something I see a lot with whether people are doing Pilates with us, or they're in business with us, they want more of those things. But their effort, if I ask them, where they're spending their time is on something else entirely. And then they're kind of resenting both, because they're not getting the expansion of the area they want ... (Brad: Give us an example.) For example, I'll just take for my families, you want to have more time doing Pilates, or more time to work on your business, either of those is fine. But your family is also a priority to you, and you're spending more time with them. The problem is, while you're spending time with them, you're resentful of all the time you're with them, because you want to be working on this other thing or doing this other thing. Well, because you're spending more time with them, your time with them, and their relations with them. It expands, it grows. There's nothing wrong with that.Brad Crowell  So where are you put your effort, your time, it expands.Lesley Logan  Yeah, and so if you're wanting your Pilates practice or your business to expand, you do have to put effort there. Effort doesn't have to be 40 hours a week.Brad Crowell  It doesn't have to be insane amounts of time.Lesley Logan  No, it just has to be you have to prioritize that effort. It can't be a like, what is like, you know, how you can like vacuum a room and put nice lines in it. And like it's beautiful. Or you could just like quickly, like, take that little one of those handheld things. And like, just get the couch, like. So I feel like ... (Brad: I'm very excited to see where we are going here.) I feel like effort is just intentional around the the job that you're wanting done. Being intentional. If you want to have a very clean room, you're intentional about cleaning the room.Brad Crowell  So you're saying there's two ways to clean a room?Lesley Logan  I think there's probably more but in this scenario, there are two you can be intentional put line ...Brad Crowell  But at the end, you still have a clean room.Lesley Logan  Yeah. (Brad: Okay.) Yeah. It's just that like, well, you don't. If you just vacuum the couch, you don't have a clean room. You should've a clean couch. But the effort I'm just saying ...Brad Crowell  I think that the... Finish your thought.Lesley Logan  Well, if you're not putting effort into something, you cannot be upset. It didn't go where you wanted it to go. (Brad: Yeah.) However, you should not be resentful of the things you put effort into instead. You should be asking yourself, where like, "Where am I think I'm efforting? But I'm not really." And like, "Where can I take some energy from something else? And put it into this for a while to see it expand?"Brad Crowell  Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say where you put your effort, it does expand is like, if you spend 10 hours a week working on a project, for years, you know, you are going to move that project forward. So it seems very logical to me, where you put your effort and it expands. Right. But I think that your what you're talking about is, is exactly right. We think we're putting an effort on the thing, you know, maybe it's your business. You know, you're teaching clients and whatnot, you think you're putting effort into growing the business, but you're actually putting effort into running the business and they're different things, right? So that can be confusing. I'm working and I'm working and I'm working and working. Well, you're maintaining it, right? There's a difference between working the business and, and maintenance versus growth, right. So and that can build that resentment, where you feel like, "Well, shit, I'm just spinning my wheels." Well, maybe you're not actually spending, putting the effort into growing the business. And another thing that I know, a lot of moms out there are spending, like you said, they're busting their butt all day. And, and you know, at a job and they come home, and they work with their their family. And they're not spending the time doing the thing that they want to be doing, whether that's your Pilates practice, or building your side hustle or whatever. And I know it's hard to juggle those things. But this is just the nature of life where you put your effort that thing expands. So it's something to be aware of.Lesley Logan  And then just because you made me think of this, and we talked about this the compounding conversation like if you actually like put in serious effort towards something you want to grow, it does at some point and up in the ball in a different court, or things just kind of happen. Like if you actually put effort. Let's say you are wanting a ton of people to buy something of yours, then you're going to have to spend some effort finding a ton of people to know like and trust you just going to have to but here's the cool thing. At some point, that effort is compounding and it's the interest is working without you actually doing it. For example, (Brad: Right.) you might have to if we're talking about social media might have to pass post every single day, for a while to get followers and to get people to listen to you and to trust what you have to say. But then eventually, your posts can have longevity. Like my friend Danielle Pascente, when we talked about her, she was on the podcast, when I met her she was posting every single day. But then just two years later, she's posting three times a week. Why? Because there was compounding interest to her posts. And so she had got to do fewer posts that had the same impact (Brad: Right) as multiple posts. So not only does it expand, there is a compoundingness to it. And if you're wanting something to grow, and you're not spending time growing it, please don't get mad at yourself or resent the pe... people place or thing that is keeping you from doing it. Just take a stock of like, how much can I... how much time can I spend effort in on this thing? And then really be intentional. If it's only 10 minutes, then do you know what you can do in 10 minutes if you're uninterrupted and your just focused on a thing. A lot more than you think. So anyways, I love that too. Okay. (Brad: Yeah.) We talked about a lot about what I love. But why don't we go into what you love?Brad Crowell  Alright. I'm gonna, I'm gonna keep it brief because we're, we need to move on here. But basically, she said a couple of things that I really resonated with. One thing that I I've never heard anybody else say this. And again, this is another thing that I thought, wow, we have a lot of similarities. She said, "Air is a resource, just like money is a resource." My whole life I have said I want I want money to be like air, meaning there's air so much air, I don't have to think about the air. It's just there. That's how I want money in my life. I want ...Lesley Logan  We're good on the rhyming in this episode.Brad Crowell  I want so much of it that I don't have to think about it. Right. So air is a resource just like money. And I thought that's, that's interesting. Because let's break that what do you what do you mean by a resource? Right? Like, it's not something that you hoard, you want to, you need to use it. Right? So that's there's, there's that conversation that could be had. Sorry, I meant money is a resource. (Lesley: Yeah.) You don't want to hoard it, you want to use it. You know, and the well, actually, I'm just gonna move right on. I'm gonna leave you with those thoughts ...Lesley Logan  No. I just want to say like, just so we all know what resources are. That's like food, water, place to live. Money is like those things, and they're in existence, and you are allowed to have them and you don't have to even ask for, like, you don't go around asking people for fucking air. You don't actually like you don't go, "Gosh, I'm so greedy. I ate today." No, you have to eat, you have to sleep, you have to breathe. And money is equal to all of those things. And you don't have to apologize for how much of it you want. And you're also like you said you're not suppose to hoard it, you're supposed to use it, (Brad: Yeah.) utilize it because it's a resource. If I breathe the air, I'm alive. And then I can go off and do things to impact others.Brad Crowell  Yeah. Same with money. She also said, and this is for business owners out there when when you were mentioning earlier resentment. What is hell yeah, money revenue in your business? And she was arguing about like, raising your rates, and you know, bringing in income so that you're not, a) so that you're profitable, but b) so that you're not building that resentment. What is the hell yeah revenue in your business? How can you do more of that? Right. Like, how can you do more of that? Is it an option for you to do more of that? Because you know what, when you're making hell yeah money, guess what, you're excited to work with your clients, you're excited to run your business, you are making the money that you believe you should be making. Right. What so you need to identify what is that hell yeah revenue in your business?Lesley Logan  And just because some people might be like, "I don't have any hell yeah revenue in their business." Then I want you to actually think about what would be hell yeah, money.Brad Crowell  I mean, we're not necessarily talking about ...Lesley Logan  I'm not talking about number of dollars ... You're decided to work. You're excited to make that money.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I was actually going to say we built a tool, called the Magic Number Calculator to help you figure out where the money is like that you if you want to be making X amount of dollars, and then you need to know how much to be charging your people, your clients and that will change your perspective, because every session could be hell yeah money for you.Lesley Logan  Well, and also if you and just to your point, like if you're not if you don't feel like you have hell yeah money, there's a good sign you're not charging enough for the efforts you're doing or that you are keeping around a service product thing that actually (Brad: It sounds like I'm sure.) you don't want to do anymore (Brad: Right.) and you are in fear of moving forward. But trust me, you're not going to expand anywhere else because you're spending all this time efforting in the 'hell yeah money'. I don't know the opposite of not like 'fuck no money'. So, so I think like, if you have hell yeah money, I want you to go and look and see how you can have more of that in your business and less the fuck no. And if you're like, "Everything's a fuck no guys." Then I want you to dream up what hell yeah would look like (Brad: Sure.) or would make you want to go hell yeah, I'm showing up for that. And then I want you to take the first next step to creating that. And that could be asking people, if I created this thing, would you do it? You know, it doesn't have to actually be like creating the thing. Please make sure you survey people before you do it. But your hell yeah money is out there. And if you're not making it currently, then it's time to dream up with that would be.Brad Crowell  Yeah. All right. Finally, let's talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your combo with Stef Caldwell? I am going to jump in and she gave us four. And they were all things that she lives her life by their quotes from other people. And we're just going to go through all four of those really quickly right now. There is power in no. So that is, I can't remember she she she gave us all the names of who's she got these quotes from but I didn't write them down. So there's but but there's power in in the word no. And I think that that kind of relates back to the hell yeah, money. You know, it's, it's okay for you to say no. When you say no, it gives you space in your life, in your schedule in your thoughts, in your day to focus on the things that do make that money that are yeses, or hell yeses. So there's power in the word no. And then another thing that she mentioned is our, ask yourself this every single day, "Are you willing? Are you willing? Are you willing to be that person that takes action, the person that that has is able to have those hard conversations, both with yourself and with others? Are you willing to be the person that can step into the life that you most desire? Are you willing?"Lesley Logan  That's a great question. You can journal on that. And there might be days where you're not willing so just honor that. Just like, give yourself permission, you know and not everyday has to be like a day that you go, go hard to go home. And you know, first of all, no, is also a complete sentence. Just so you know, that was a k n o w. But no, you know, is a complete sentence for your information. My biggest takeaway is put a statute of limitations on all childhood traumas. And look, I just wanna make sure we all understand I am not discounting that there are childhood traumas. And some people's traumas are like unfathomable. That being said, a lot I've seen in my own family. Sometimes we keep those childhood traumas around as an excuse for keeping ourselves small, and where we are and not moving forward. And so ...Brad Crowell  Yeah, this ties directly into her fourth thing, which is you can have excuses, you can have success. But you cannot have both. Right. And I think that it's a hard, it's a hard, it's very difficult to be introspective, meaning to analyze yourself and to say, this trauma that I experienced, while still real, is it, is it continuing to negatively affect me today? Right, and that, how do you see that? You know, how do you identify that? But, and I don't necessarily know the answer, I think journaling can really help, seeing therapists can help with that having a partner who is you are willing to let challenge you, can help with that. Or a sibling or a parent or friend, even who you are, you let them challenge you without blowing up the relationship. You know, writing music, writing poems, all that stuff can be really a release and help you take a second look at yourself. I know ...Lesley Logan  Well, I think I'd just say, this is like for my own, just to say I grew up without money. Right. We've all, if you listen to podcasts long enough, you know that this has happened, you know, that I grew up with like, I answering the phone because we had bill collectors calling, like, didn't know where money is coming from often. I could keep that around as my reason for not being good with money. And not being able to make money because no one ever makes money in my family and, and people and my handlers but I could just make a bunch of excuses (Brad: Sure.) based on the trauma of that kind of the childhood that I had around money, or I can go those things happened in my life. But they don't mean that I can't figure out how money works and then I I can't have a different life than the people before me and that I can't have all the money in the world that I want to have. So I can either let it hold me back and help me to stay, just stay it like, and this is my box and I this is what I do. And I only do this because that's all I'm that's all I was taught. That's all I know, that's experience I had, or I can use that as a framework of understanding learning, and then a jumping off point to take me to where I want to go. And and I think that that's like, actually is like the best thing that anybody can do. Like what if you actually looked at it? Look at Michael Unbroken, you know, like, he looked at him and like we can all say that he had some childhood trauma. (Brad: Yeah.) Like a lot, like more than I think any of us can picture. And where is he at today? Changing the world like ending childhood trauma in his lifetime. So I just think that like, yes, many of you, many of us have had these things. And you get to choose how you want them to affect your life.Brad Crowell  Yeah. Yeah. I love it.Lesley Logan  Just really quick reminder that Stef Caldwell has a new podcast out about Web3. And we put that in our show notes on her episode. And I hope you hope you all listen to it because ladies, if we do want to end this gap, we got to be on this next horizon of the interwebs. And, and I will be binging out on every episode so that I can educate myself. I hope you will too because we can, we have the opportunity to be there as it's being created. So let's do it.Brad Crowell  Love it. Amazing.Lesley Logan  I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell  And, I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan  How are you going to use these tools in your life? What was the best things that worked for you? What were your takeaways? We want to know. Tag the @be_it_pod and us and Stef and anybody else that you're listening to a different episode whoever that was. So we know your takeaways, how are you going to use them. And then remember, you can always DM us your questions, your bold moments at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. Until next time, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell  Bye for now.Lesley Logan  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day! 'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'. Brad Crowell  It's written produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. 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How can you finally stop repairing the same negative relationships? Brad and Lesley recap somatic dating coach, Lauren Zoeller, discussing past relationships, red flags, and how to transform your dating life or current relationships. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Upcoming things to note: AGENCY MINI, Cambodia retreat, Las Vegas RetreatThe best Book recommendations for personal growth and bizHow do you give and receive love? And is it keeping you in unhealthy relationship patterns?Boredom as a driving factor and running from relationship to relationship to chase the high.The difference between a life coach and a therapist Exploring your past red flag relationships for growthWhy has every relationship ended? Episode References/Links:Follow Lauren on IGLauren's WebsiteProfitable Pilates RetreatAGENCY MINIBooks: We Should All Be Millionaires, Rachel RogersChatter. Ethan KrossRejection Proof. Jia JiangE-Squared Pam GroutGetting the Love You Want, Harville HendricksBrad Crowell PP Course How to be rejected to success with 200 noesTELL US YOUR THOUGHTS  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the aligning convo I have with Lauren Zoeller in our last episode. If you haven't yet listen to interview, feel free to pause this now. Go back and listen to that one, and then come back and join us. If you don't know about somatic coaching. You should listen to the interview.Brad Crowell  Yeah, if you don't know the definition of somatic, she explained it. (Lesley: Yeah.) Lauren because it was actually great as your very first question. Like, "Hey, cool. I'm all about life coaching. What's the somatic part mean? Can you explain that?" And they dug in pretty deep. So yeah.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I know. Well, it's because I have a somatic therapist, and I didn't really understand what that title was. And she would do her therapy. And it had somatic stuff, but like, I didn't really I just was like, "Oh, we're in the woowoo world. We're just doing this." But it's actually not. It's not woowoo would all it's like totally legit science. You should totally... So go listen to it. But I love Lauren, and ...Brad Crowell  She, she's powerful.Lesley Logan  She's powerful. (Brad: Yeah.) She's super cool. And at the time that we're recording this, I'm on the eve of hanging out with her for the weekend here in Vegas. (Brad: Yeah.) So talk about, do you mind, I just say I want to say this, because it's nothing to do with anything. But if you're trying to make friends, like, do the things that just that people do want to like, share and experience together. She is coming here with a couple other women. Because I was like, "We should all hang out. I live in Las Vegas. It's a great place to come visit."Brad Crowell  Wait, really? (Lesley: Yeah. That was I said.) They came because you, you just invited them to come. (Lesley: Yeah.) That's so cool.Lesley Logan  I know. I said we should, well, I will, I won't take all the credit. They know a mutual friend, they know Tori Gordon, who is a coach because who was a coach, and she was on our podcast earlier. (Brad: Yeah.) And they're like, "Oh, yeah, Tori was talking about how we should all come to Vegas." I said, "Well, now you've two reasons to come because Tori and I live in the same neighborhood. (Brad: Great.) And you should come." And boom, set some dates. And now they're coming.Brad Crowell  That's really cool. I didn't know that. That's fun.Lesley Logan  Take action ... I'm so excited. By the time you've heard this, I've already hang out. We've already had our women's weekend and it's going to be amazing. I'll be talking about it on another episode. Anyways. We are also one month away from the time that you're listening to this. From the PP retreat. The Profitablie Pilates business retreat here in Las Vegas. (Brad: Yeah.) So if you are wanting to hang out in a very intimate, not in like a sexual way, but just like small, that's what I mean it by a small group, private event.Brad Crowell  I don't think anybody took it as sexual but but that's fair to clarify.Yeah, it's it's a, it's an intimate setting, that's a fair way to describe it. It's, it's actually a lot of fun and very transformative when it comes to digging into the customer journey that you may or may not be presenting to your customers. If you run a fitness business, or any kind of service based business, really, the principles do apply, and that we'll be recovering that weekend. And our first one that we ran earlier this year was amazing. It was so amazing. So we're really excited to be hosting a second one this year. (Lesley: It will be amazing.) It's going to be amazing. (Lesley: I'm just gonna put amazing in there one more time.) Also, amazingly, I'm not sure that we haven't set a date yet for next year. So it's not 100% that we're going to do it for next year. So if you're thinking I'll just do the next one. Just talk to us now because (Lesley: Yeah.) because it may not actually be one we want you know like we've got a lot going on next year like a lot.Lesley Logan  A lot. And I'll say I just want to say like putting off the growth of your business for next time. Can we just like talk about like ...Brad Crowell  Why wait nine more months to get started?Lesley Logan  The people who are at our first retreat, several of them made their retreat investment back within a couple of months. Of just using our project management training, of using our launch training of all this stuff. (Brad: Yeah.) They are now working on things this right now, as second rounds of things that will have (Brad: Yeah.) even better outcomes. If they had not come if they waited till next time they would not they would literally be where they were way before March making what they, making what they made before March in a time when you make more money. So I'm just saying don't wait till next time and Brad is right. We have not set dates and it's pretty unclear whether or not we will have another one in the 2023 dates we ...Brad Crowell  Look, we're hoping that we can do but (Lesley: We love it.) but but actually I also love going to Cambodia. So, yeah.Lesley Logan  We love going to Cambodia but we also love vacation.Brad Crowell  Yeah, there's that. I would like to take ... (Lesley: Yeah, so anyway ...) and idea. (Lesley: That's one month away. So ...) That's happening. Yeah, in the month. And then but what's happening is before then.Lesley Logan  Oh, Agency Mini. (Brad: Yeah.) Two, so it's like about two ish weeks away. It starts on the 18th. And ... (Brad: How it was a different than the retreat?) Okay, so Agency Mini, first of all, fold is very different. The retreat is at our house in person curated, very small group, very small group. (Brad: Yeah.) Agency Mini is not to say that it's a big group, but it is a bigger group. And ... (Brad: Yeah, it's a couple hundred people.) It's also online. We do one workshop, and we do one Q&A session, and then we answer your questions throughout the week. Whereas at the retreat, when you're on our house, we have several workshops, several times where you guys are in coaching settings. It's a very curated experience around what you're gonna be learning. Whereas inside of Agency Mini, we have a very curated webinar and homework for you. But then the rest of the week, you can really ask us anything, we'll be really honest with you.Brad Crowell  But bigger, bigger picture, though. The retreat, we're going to dig into, like I said, your customers journey (Lesley: Yeah.) and what you're putting in front of them, when to graduate them from your first product, your second product, your third product, whether that's digitally on your website, you know, or whether that is, you know, in your brick and mortar store. (Lesley:Yeah.) Where Agency Mini is a, it's a seven day taster of our ongoing coaching services, where you can we are going to dig into, we're going to help you clarify, you know exactly what it is that you offer your clients, how to connect to those clients, who those clients actually are. Right. And and then we're going to open it up for questions about anything throughout the week. So you know, and that's going to be virtual.Lesley Logan  Yeah. So profitabliepilates.com/retreat is retreat and profitable, profitablepilates.com/mini is for Agency Mini. (Brad: Yeah.) So you should sign up for that. (Brad: Yeah. Join us.) Also, by the way, if you join Agency for Mini, you get a lots of goodies. So just saying (Brad: True.) you've been thinking, "Oh, I want to coach with them," and you sign up for that. This is the time. So anyways, I'm so excited. September is, September, October are like going to be so ... (Brad: They're very so fun.) We're going to be like we're going to be in several states ... (Brad: It's gonna be a whirlwind.) It's a whirlwind.Brad Crowell  Yeah, it's gonna be crazy.Lesley Logan  Gotta get my sleep on. Anyways, we have an audience question.Brad Crowell  We do. You've answered this before, but it's been a long time. I just inserted that. What are some books that you recommend? Do you have any new ones?Lesley Logan  Yeah, so I don't recall which recap we answered this question. But I would say it's probably 100 episodes ago.Brad Crowell  I was gonna say, I think it's been like a long time.Lesley Logan  Yeah. So of course, I have been reading a lot. And by reading I mean listening. But I actually am reading a couple books like physical books. Currently, as we're doing this. So here's my new top books that I've been talking about a lot. And I've read it. There's they're not in, like, inclusive of all the books that I've read, but like what I think listeners of this show would really love. We Should All Be Millionaires, Rachel Rogers. Rachel Rogers, if you're listening this episode. Hi. Big fan over here. Want to be on the show? If you know Rachel, please do the intro. I'm just putting out there. I'm asking for it. I want I want Rachel Rogers on the show. That book is amazing. It's so good. I and Brad, love reading it.Brad Crowell  Yeah, we're I'm like, I don't know, third of the way through it right now. Halfway, I'm not sure.Lesley Logan  Yeah, it's so good. Chatter. I believe it is by Ethan Kross. I think that's who it's by. Yes. And I have DMed him, he has not responded to me. So I am not, (Brad: Ethan Kross.) I'm not rejected yet. And I will not take no for an answer from that man because he is amazing. That book is so it's so awesome at identifying why you're talking to yourself and the thoughts you say. And then also how to like snap yourself out of it, which I just frickin love. You know, I love action. So, Action Steps so that's a great book and then Rejection Proof. Oh my gosh, he did reject me for right now. Not permanently, he said to come back to him later. He's just not doing podcasts right now. That's okay. Jia Jiang, I got you. My peeps are gonna find you. We're gonna get you on the show. Anyways, Rejection Proof is so good. If you're afraid of being rejected. Brad has a course about being rejected (Brad: I do.) on our Profitable Pilates website.Brad Crowell  Yeah. We'll put the link to that in the show notes. (Lesley: Yeah.) It's called How to be rejected to success with 200 noes.Lesley Logan  Yeah, so and then this book was just like so so good. I'm really into it and then I've talked about it before actually talked about it with Coach Lee a couple weeks ago on that episode, but I started doing E-Squared again, and it's Pam Grout. Hi, Pam. Hi, hey girl hey. (Brad: Hey girl hey.) I tagg you on a post or three. Not a stalker, but just same (Brad: Big fan.) big fan, big fan over here. Anyways, um, I had I read Pam Grout's book, eight years ago, seven years ago, and I actually did one of the experience I put Brad's name now. And then he called me. (Brad: I did.) And then the other woman's name down, I just put the two together. She's the woman from the other company that's been hitting us up. (Brad: Oh, that's crazy.) How crazy is that? But she did also call me while we ran into each other. Anyways, you'll hear that on on Coach Lee's episode. But the point is, I've been doing all the experiments and I did the experiment one. I started on a specific date at 11am. And then I decided to meditate on like receiving abundance. And at 11:03 during the middle of my meditation, the experiment came through. Oh! So you all have to do E-Squared. Okay, those are the books. Do you have anything add to that?Brad Crowell  Those are, those are great. No, I've been reading political books, and also some novels. (Lesley: Yeah.) So yeah, less if you if you if you are looking to find a new world to experience that has nothing to do with reality. There's a lovely, incredible, 20 something books here series (Lesley: Oh, are you doing YA?) No.Lesley Logan  No, young adult, you're listening to a young adult?Brad Crowell  I don't know what that is. (Lesley: Oh.) So no, it's his name is Michael J. Sullivan. And he is a he's like a, he created his own fantasy world where he's got different, different times of the timeline. So like, you know, he started off, (Lesley: Oh) he started off with a thief and a soldier and the two of them get paired together and have to go to that. And he wrote, like, I don't know, 12 books around this. They're still out ...Lesley Logan  So not necessarily like a book for 20 somethings. It's just a 20 year long.Brad Crowell  No, no. He's written 20 novels. (Lesley: Yeah. Okay.) No, (Lesley: Sorry.) 20 books.Lesley Logan  20 books. So not YA at all?Brad Crowell  I don't know what YA is? So, no.Lesley Logan  YA is a ti... is like a section of books. It's called Young Adult. It's like your twilight ...Brad Crowell  Oh, yeah. I never I never got out of that. Yeah. (Lesley: Yeah.) No, it's a ...Lesley Logan  Like not goosebumps. But you know, something like that. Like ...Brad Crowell  I mean, sure, these are these are applicable for all ages, actually. The but but then, in that, in that timeline, he was referencing, you know, the history 3000 years ago. And then the next set of six books he wrote was from 3000 years ago. (Lesley: Oh, my God.) And then now the new books he's writing are in the middle, between these two timelines on a ... (Lesley: I can't handle it.) It's amazing, actually. And you fall in love with the characters and yeah, I mean, he is, he's mind blowingly good at what he does. It is incredible. The books are just fantastic. So (Lesley: Okay.) yeah.Lesley Logan  Let's talk about Lauren. (Brad and Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell  We don't go to the same movies, y'all. Just saying.Lesley Logan  We don't. We also don't go to bed the same time or wake up at the same time. We are an anomaly. If you are like, "I want to be married like Brad and Lesley." I'm just gonna go out right now you have to be very secured ...Brad Crowell  We have so much in common when it comes to being entrepreneurs.Lesley Logan  Yeah. And we ... like, like the things that we love to do for fun. Our so opposite. (Brad: Yeah) We just do them on our own.Brad Crowell  So, Lesley's got a green thumb. No, she doesn't.Lesley Logan  No, no. She doesn't. (Brad: I'm teasing.) But my Mammillaria by not touching it whatsoever is doing great. (Brad: Yeah, yeah.) My plant in the window. It's not doing so good. I don't know what to do about it. Anyway. Hi, let's talk about Lauren.Brad Crowell  Let's talk about Lauren Zoeller.Lesley Logan  All I can say is Lauren ... as like our guests listening to these recaps ...Brad Crowell  I know. They're probably, "What the hell?" (Lesley: When did they talk about me though?) Okay, cool. So, Lauren, helping women and men find conscious partnerships. Lauren Zoeller is a Somatic Relationship Expert, aka Dating Coach who overcame her own patterns of shame to now lead women into aligned lives. Lauren is more than a matchmaker. She's here to guide individuals to keep the relationships they find, and in the process, discover a deeper love for themselves.Lesley Logan  So aka better than a dating coach. (Brad: Yeah. Better than a dating coach.) Just to like, help my new friend out. She's more than a dating coach.Brad Crowell  Well, yeah, well, I think I think that, again, if you go back and listen to her definition of somatic, it will help you understand how different she is from you know, just, you know, she's not Hitch you know, I think you you probably had the best example, I'm just going to pull it back up. You said, people who date the quote on quote, "date the same person over and over and over again, until they learn their lesson." Right? She helps you, like understand why you might be repeating things, but just in a different time and a different with the different people. (Lesley: Yeah.) But you're still repeating the same thing.Lesley Logan  If you're watching us on the YouTube channel, you got the air quotes. If you didn't, Brad, his inflection should hopefully help you understand the air quotes are in there.Brad Crowell  Yeah, Brad is very good.Lesley Logan  It's better than Joey from Friends that air quote. I'm sorry. (Lesley and Brad laughs)Brad Crowell  What was one thing that you love that Lauren said?Lesley Logan  Thank you for asking. One thing I love that she said was "how you receive love as a child shapes how you expect to be loved today. Often those who had a frenetic childhood are chasing the high of chaos". And she went on a little bit like how do you give and receive love? And is it keeping you in unhealthy patterns is a question she's having (Brad: Yeah.) she's haveing you ask yourself. So take a moment. How do you give and receive love? And is it keeping you in an unhealthy patterns? So, you know, we all know The Five Love Languages and things like that. But like actually think about it like the way you're giving and receiving love. Is it actually helping you? Have loving relationships? Or is it in this chaotic, unhealthy pattern? Like these are important things. And then she also had some other examples like boredom as a driving factor and running from relationship to relationship to chase the high.Brad Crowell  Well, that's good. So so what she was talking about, which I thought was really amazing because I, I don't I never I never thought this way. But she said if you had chaos in your childhood, and actually she specifically was talking about helicopter parents. And she said, if your you know, parents were in, and then out and then in and then out and there was this chaos happening. You often expect that later on in life. So if you end up in a stable, you know, relationship, it doesn't mean stable is good or bad. It just means it's the opposite of what you expected. So more often than not, you're inclined to feel like, this is boring, or this is safe. Or this is kind of ... you know, and ...Lesley Logan  It's like when Carrie broke up with Aidan, everyone. She broke with Aidan because they didn't fight. And ...Brad Crowell  I don't actually know any idea ...Lesley Logan  Sex in the City. Everyone who's listening is knodding their head, we all know, because that was a big deal. There was a whole thing.Brad Crowell  So glad I wasn't there for that one. Okay. Yeah, it's like, guys, it's like, Oh, my God. It's like when Carrie broke up (Lesley: Stop.) with Aidan (Lesley: Okay.) because they didn't fight all the time.Lesley Logan  No, but it's I think people need examples sometimes ...Brad Crowell  I think it's a perfect example. I just was not there with you on that one.Lesley Logan  It's fine. Everyone who's listening is with me. (Brad: Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.) They're all with me ...Brad Crowell  No, it's a perfect example because, you know, and then conversely, if you had a relatively stable, you know, or quote unquote, "boring", you know, like, like childhood love from your parents, and you find yourself in a chaotic relationship. You may be like, "I can't do this," you know. And anyway, I thought that was really interesting. I never thought about that before ...Lesley Logan  Yeah, yeah. And also, so first of all, Lauren has an incredible course. And she has a bunch of services. There was also the book, Getting the Love You Want, which is a very interesting book about explaining the old brain, the new brain, and like, how, when you first get a relationship, you fill all of your own holes. So ... (Brad: Harville Hendricks) Yeah. So you fill all your own holes to so people like look, "I'm this like, perfect, amazing being and there's nothing crazy wrong with me here. Don't like I'm so good. And your partner, by the way, is doing the exact same thing." And then after a few months, it's so exhausting trying to fill those holes. But you don't even realize that you're doing it on a subconscious level. So (Brad: Right.) you think that that person, the person you're with is filled the holes like they've solved the problem. So and then when both of you start filling your own holes, you're like, "You change. They change, blah, blah, blah." Actually no, you both just started to be your fucking selves. (Brad: Interesting) Yeah, and so a lot ...Brad Crowell  Well she does, Lauren talks about that, at the very beginning. She talked about like, you know, being lonely and filling that loneliness with someone who you know, you shouldn't be with.Lesley Logan  Yeah. Oh, totally. Who hasn't done that, (Brad: Yeah) like 17 times not personal. Just, I just know, I'm still I'm watched. But I think it's like, it's ... (Brad: Calling you in behalf of a friend.) Yeah, calling for a friend, actually. Anyways, it's a great book, if you're like, "I don't know, if I'm gonna read the book." He was on Oprah. And you can like get the Cliff's Notes version, or you can just work with Lauren. But the reality is, is like, we have to stop pretending that how we were raised is um not affecting the lives and the choices we have now. And then also we have to understand that like we are making choices. You may think things are happening to you. And this is just the people that are around you. And these are the only options but we all actually have choices and when you start to recognize that like how you are choosing to give and receive love is a choice. (Brad: Sure.) Even if you feel it's subconscious, it can actually be a conscious decision. When you make those changes, you can actually start to change the patterns of the day you have and find the person you want to have and look at Lauren, look where she's at right now.Brad Crowell  Yeah. Interesting. Wow. Yeah. And what she's referencing is having moved through a very tumultuous time in her life to finding a place where she can be herself. (Lesley: Yeah.) With someone that she loves in a business that's functioning and all good things. (Lesley: Yeah.) So again, worth listening to. One thing I loved that she said, was she helped define the difference between a therapist and a life coach. (Lesley: Which I knew you would love.) Yeah, well, she is a life coach, therapist, generally speaking, has degrees in therapy, and they, you know, like help you dig into the past. Right. And so you're really breaking things down and trying to uncover, you know, where you came from. Whereas a life coach is helping you plan and look at your future. And I thought that was such a clear distinction, such an easy way to understand the difference between the two ...Lesley Logan  I knew you love it. (Brad: Yeah, that was great.) I was like, "Oh my gosh, Brad's and I fucking love this definition." And also, by the way, you could have a somatic therapist, (Brad: You can.) life coach, (Brad: Yeah.) and so you, like somatics is really amazing. Again, if you like, "What's somatic?" Listen to the other episode, just gonna make you do it. But you can have both and like, you can also have a therapist and a life coach, because one could be dealing with one thing and one you could be doing. (Brad: 100%) So you know, just that there are different things. But I loved how she explained it. I agree with you on that love.Brad Crowell  Yeah. All right. So finally, let's talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your conversation with Lauren Zoeller? She summed it all up with one, one solid action BE IT action item. She said, look at the patterns that have shown up in your relationships, and write them down. Why has every relationship ended? And is there a common thread?Lesley Logan  Yeah, and I think you can look at friendships, as well as in family relationships, as well as love relationships. Like I think like, you know, we're not, we are different, with different people ish. But we all kind of wrote this thing. So like, if you look at how you how maybe a family member and you had a falling out, or a friend you had falling out, I bet you there's some common threads. And I think that can be worth journaling about. I'm not saying shame and judge all yourself, please. That's not what I'm saying ...Brad Crowell  But it's still a hard thing to dig into and look and review. And, you know, I mean, I think that it's easy to avoid. Let's just say it can be easy to avoid thinking about this stuff. (Lesley: Oh yeah) So when you start to uncover it, it may be a little bit uncomfortable. You know, because if you're honest with yourself, you know, how much a part of the ending of those relationships where you? Obviously, it takes two people to be in a relationship. So you were clearly a part of it. How?Lesley Logan  Yeah, and I think like, it's not like we're saying you should take all the blame, because that's not it at all. (Brad: No) But you should just actually look at like, what was your role in it? And like, if you're like, "Well, listen Brad, my person cheated on me." Okay, that's fine. I do not blame anybody who was cheated on, like as the reason for that, because that's a whole other ball of wax. But you can look at the red flags, that you ignored at the begining of the relationship that (Brad: Yeah) got you in relationship with someone who cheated on you. (Brad: Sure.) And there, and so you looking at those red flags that you ignored, those are choices. And you made those for specific reasons. (Brad: Yeah.) And there's nothing wrong with the choice you made. But then you can actually have this like, red flag marker. So when you're on a date, and you see that red flag and you go, "Oh, here I am with the same pattern of dating this person who is doing this out of spite..." (Brad: Exactly. Yeah.) And one thing, put a stop sign up. But you get to say, "Hey, you know, you said something. I just would like to go back to that. And just kind of explore that a little bit. (Brad: Yeah) Could you mind like, like, just give me a little bit more from that." And if they like dig a hole that's just like, wow, that's red flag just became a frickin fire, run. (Lesley laughs) (Brad: Yeah) Run away.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I mean and it may be, I mean, there's, you know, in a yet last steps, so we were talking about or so in our last recap, we're talking about clients and firing a client. Same thing, I mean does, we're not necessarily talking about love relationships here. We're talking about relationships, right? So it could be you keep taking on clients that you, you know, I don't know, maybe, you know, we teachers, as a teacher, we all feel like we can help someone, but maybe we think we can help them emotionally in addition to physically and maybe that is like consistent issue. Because after a while you're fried, you're ready to move on to the next person, but now they're your client, you know, and it's possible that you've been doing this over and over again. You know, who knows? There's just a It's interesting to go back and take a look. And like what what Lauren said, look at the patterns that have shown up in your relationships and write them down. Why has every relationship ended? And what is that common thread?Lesley Logan  Well, I'll be really honest. Like we would not have dated had I not like looked at the red flags and like been playing that game. And like looking at how all of the people I dated before you ended, I was like, "Oh, wow, there's a common interesting theme." And so when you came on, like, I challenge you a couple of times, like, ... you relate to something I said, "That doesn't, I don't like that doesn't work for me." You know, and like, we had to talk about it. So like, it's not like, if you see it, you're like, "I have to run away right now." No, you can actually have a conversation around it, (Brad: Sure.) and then like, say things and it really does allow you to have an adult relationship where yes, there's vulnerability. But what ...Brad Crowell  I don't even think I asked you like things, you know, in that sense, I, I actually, I don't, I didn't have a plan when I was going through my divorce. But I did write things down. Because I couldn't keep it in my head anymore. I just couldn't juggle it all. Because it's so much as thinking about, you know, it's like replaying every conversation I ever had, ever. And, you know, you know how it is, it is right, and but what it allowed me to clarify, were the things that were important to me. And so when I went when we began to date, I literally had a list. I actually ...Lesley Logan  I had a list. I had a list. I deleted my list after you dumped me because I was so mad at you. Because okay, so he came over with beer, and I'm fucking gluten free.Brad Crowell  Oh, I did that.Lesley Logan  And he came over with beer. This is not the first time I told him I was gluten free. This is the third time I had to tell him I'm just gluten free. And he brings us beer like, "Hey, I brought this beer." I'm like, "I'm gluten free. I can't drink it." And he's like, "Oh, yeah, that's right." And then he proceeded to take two hours of telling me everything he liked about me, and then why we couldn't go on a date. And I had this list and you checked off everything on the list, but I literally had written out remembers I'm gluten and dairy free. And I was like, "Fuck this list. It's not fucking working. I he meant everything and he fucked this up and he fucked that up." And I deleted the list. And then 10 days later, you're like, "Hey, I'm at Trader Joe's. I know you're gluten and dairy free. So I got you some veggies and hummus." I'm like, "Are you fucking kidding me right now?"Brad Crowell  You know what? You know what I did. I actually went home and looked up. What is gluten free? Because I didn't know. You were like, "Yeah, I can't eat bread." I was like, "Oh. Well, okay, I guess she can't eat bread." So I didn't bring bread. But I actually looked it up. I was a dairy was pretty straightforward.Lesley Logan  Yeah. (Brad: But gluten that I didn't know.) and Yeah. But that's if I didn't know you had a list. I have, I have a list anyways, obviously it worked out for us. But it's because you both ... reflected on past relationships and how they ended. (Brad: That's pretty funny.) And hey, I'm so happy we're together. We're celebrating seven years this fall. (Brad: What? That's crazy.) Yeah. Anyways, I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell  I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan  Thank you so much for joining us today. First, I'm grateful you're here. I hope you enjoy these. You can always give us feedback on our podcast at beitpod.com/tellme and we want to know how you're going to use these tips in your life. Give us a tag, tag @laurenzoeller. Let us know and please share this with a friend who is having needs in their relationships that need to be met. (Brad: Yeah.) So we can help them out with Lauren's amazing tips and we'll catch you in the next episode.Brad Crowell  Bye for now.Lesley Logan  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. 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Setting boundaries in your biz can be hard. Learning to say no to a client is difficult but it all ties into today's episode as Brad and Lesley talk through when it's time to let a client go, how to say ‘no' in life, and the value in your free time! If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Agency Mini last releases, last one of the year!! When it's time to let a client go The importance for establishing the professional boundaries Why free time is not availability Saying no allows you to be more intentional with your yesThe people in your life should respect your “no's”Trying one new thing a month  Episode References/Links:AGENCY MINI  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the unfiltered convo I have with Kate Hutson in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to the interview, feel free to pause this now. Go back and listen to that one. And then come back and join us or listen to this one, and then listen to that one and see if you like the takeaways we had.Brad Crowell  Yeah, (Lesley: Yeah) you can pick. You choose.Lesley Logan  You have a choice. Um, so we are super like ... the freaking calendar is going way too fast for me personally. But we are like, just a couple weeks away from our seventh Agency Mini, which is our seven day coaching program.Brad Crowell  Pretty amazing.Lesley Logan  I know. And like, I miss it. It's been a long, it's been a long time.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I mean, you know, we only do it twice a year. So it's, we try to make it roughly six months apart. Sometimes it's, you know, a little off ...Lesley Logan  It's like a four month and then a nine month.Brad Crowell  Yeah, this one this one was a longer time than usual. So, yeah.Lesley Logan  Yeah, well, because we, you know, we used to do it in the summer time. And the reality is, it's like, it's not the best time for most people. SoBrad Crowell  Yeah, everybody's traveling and on vacation.Lesley Logan  We have a ... ( Brad: hanging at the beach) we do an early year and then a fall. And that's (Lesley: Yeah) how it goes. And this is a se... our seven day coaching program, which if you've never coached with us, or you've been thinking about coaching with us that this is the way to get specifically clarity on not just how to coach with us, but also on your business.Brad Crowell  Yeah, (Lesley: Yeah) we're very well, we love helping people build a foundation that they might have skipped, you know, most people will start using social media without realizing what they're using social media for, or, you know, they just, they're getting out there. And they're taking messy action, which we love, messy action.Lesley Logan  Sometimes they're not even taking messy action, they're like, "I'm gonna get a logo, and I'm gonna get my colors, and I'm gonna get my font and my branding done." (Brad: Sure.) And the reality is, is if you don't know who you who you're actually for on this planet, and you haven't spent the time and you're just trying to shout to the rooftops to everybody, "Come do my class. Come take my class. My class is amazing." You're talking to no one. (Brad: Yeah.) And so really getting clarity on that and building that foundation. And ...Brad Crowell  How do you connect with people? Who are you for? What problem do you solve? All these kinds of things, this kind of clarity. That's everything we're gonna go through. How do you share your story?Lesley Logan  Yeah. And also, by the way, we'll answer every single question you have about business that we (Brad: Yeah) can. I mean, we really do try to answer them all even if it's like, hey, this is literally requires at least a two hour coaching call. But I love you. But we really try to be honest with you, because we've done it all. So even if you think you have clarity, I still suggest joining the program because a) it never hurts to go back and look and make sure you didn't miss a step. And b) there's tons of time to get questions and answers on everything else. Also, this time, we are doing something new. We've been letting people jump into the group early.Brad Crowell  Yeah. So this is unusual ahead of time, you can jump into our private Facebook group and start getting acquainted and getting yourself prepared.Lesley Logan  Yeah, we're giving like little weekly homework assignments to y'all. And so you can actually sign up now at profitablepilates.com/mini. And then you can get invited into the private group early to start working on some homework so that when we kick off, you're really your foundations are really in the ground. And then we will have that seven days together. We ... it's it's amazing. It's so much fun. It really has helped so many people with their business, whether or not you coach with us afterwards, I have had incredible testimonials (Brad: Yeah) and feedback of things people have done just by being in that seven day group. (Brad: Yeah) And then of course, we hope that you join us inside of Agency where we just love on you all the time. All the time. All the time.Brad Crowell  All the time. Well, next it's time for some drama. (Lesley: What is the drama?) Well, we have this epic audience question that can be dramatic. So ... (Lesley: I know.) All right, so we're just gonna jump right into it. Have you Lesley ever had to fire a client?Lesley Logan  Yes, I got this. I got this question from somebody and, and without naming names, because I don't want to out her on this. She gave me a ton of like, things that went on with the person and I'm gonna tell you right. If you have the urge, if you have this, like, gut feeling, you've got a fire client, you don't actually need to justify it. I'm just a, I'm really really honest. Like, I think and this kind of goes into what we're talking about Kate Hutson, I think especially as women were like, "Oh, I have to have a reason." They have to have been the most off, like there has to be a ...Brad Crowell  I didn't write them up three times. (Lesley: Yeah) I'm not following core pretty ...Lesley Logan  Well actually, they're going to this thing and like, (Brad: Sure.) I you know ... We make all these excuses for them. No, that that stops now. (Brad: Yeah.) For whatever reason, you have this feeling that this client is not right for you whether or not they're being an asshole. Or they are just like saying things that are inappropriate. If you are having this feeling, you must fire this client. No ...Brad Crowell  I mean it could, it could even be like an energy exchange, you know. (Lesley: Yeah. I mean ...) If you're, if your client is always coming in, you know frenetic or hysterical or like, super, super high strung and that is messing with you, you know, then it might be, time to help her find somebody else to work with.Lesley Logan  So as instructors, whatever your modality is, there's a scope of practice. Now, if you are an actual therapist, then your scope of practice is to do therapy. But if, if you're not one of those in your scope, therapy is not a thing. And someone actually is requiring therapy, it is important for you to say, "Hey, hi. Here's what I can help you with. (Brad: Yeah) But what you need right now is this. (Brad: Yeah) And so here are a list of people that I trust who can help you or they will help give you referrals of someone else. (Brad: Yeah) But I actually can only do this for you. And this is what I'm saying you need." And if the person is not willing to stay within your scope, and they're like getting frustrated it, you can refund them on the rest of their package guessing oh, that's money, but give it back. Here you go. I have had to fire a client, and it cost me $1,400. And two very difficult conversations. And to be honest, I knew I was gonna have to fire her the moment she bought a package. It was a bad day, and I needed some money. And I was like, I took it, I knew and I was like, "This is not the right client for me." I knew it in the moment. But I had an assistant we had like, I've hired another person. And I was like, well, "I should just say yes to this." And she, every single day of her standing appointment would text me that day to to move herself, to move herself on that day, every single time. She'd had these standing appointments, and I had to take her aside after session seven, and say "look, here's the deal". You don't get to standing appointments, if you're gonna move them around. (Brad: Right) So if you would like to schedule them randomly, you can but you have to use my booking system, and it only shows you within what's happening within 24 hours, you cannot do same day. So you need to know that. Oh no no, I'm gonna keep my times, my times were really good for me, I'm gonna keep my times. Okay, now our two-three packages later, she's still practicing this whole little shindig, I am ignoring her text messages. And every I just ignored them. I did not even engage whether she showed up or not. I charged her. That's how the tools work. You should use our scheduling tool if you don't have one. And (Brad: Yes) then she started to be abusive to the client that came after her (Brad: Right) because she was being a little snarky. And like, oh, must be nice. And I was like, okay, that now you're crossing a line because now not only are you abusing me, now you're abusing someone else. That's not okay. So she sent me this nasty email about something oh, and she came in, I taught her session at the end. I said, "Here's the deal, you have this many sessions left, here's a check for um. I am not the right teacher for you. And I know that's hard to hear. I know you really like coming here. I know that you've made leaps and bounds. But the reality is you need someone who has a more flexible schedule than I. And you need someone who specializes in the situations that you're going through. (Brad: Yeah) And so when you're ready, I'm happy to refer you to some people. In the meantime, here's your money back." She was horrifying. It was an awful conversation I'd have with her. She couldn't have been more mean. (Brad: Yeah.) And then she sent me another really mean email. And I ignored, I didn't respond. There's nothing to respond to in those situations. By the way, if you feel free to defend yourself, then you feel like just defend yourself. But I stood on like my foundation, "This person was violating my rules. And I'm not going to defend myself. I don't need to." So then a couple months later, she reaches out she wants to come back to Pilates. She's been working on her schedule. (Brad: As if nothing happened.) As if nothing like literally she acted like nothing happened. I was like, "I am ... No."Brad Crowell  Like, "Am I taking crazy pills or ..."Lesley Logan  What is going on? So I refer her to someone else. I said, "Here are some referrals." And then I talked to my referrals. And I said, "Just want you to know, she can be a really good person when she wants to. Here are the things that she does that you need to be aware of." (Brad: Yeah) And let me just tell you, she and her new teacher were two peas in a fucking pod. They had the best time. They did a great job. And last I heard that she never missed a session. So just so you know, if you have a client that's like driving you frickin bananas. They could make someone else a nice coffee cake. And so I would just would say like, don't put up with things if you have put boundaries in place and you've enforced them... what you don't like my analogy?Brad Crowell  When was the last time you had a coffee cake?Lesley Logan  Okay ... (Brad laughs) I miss it. Is it edelmans, endimans? (Brad: Entenmanns) Entenmanns? You know, the coffee cake they make at the store ...Brad Crowell  Yeah. (Lesley: Oh) That's pretty darn good.Lesley Logan  That's so good.Brad Crowell  Entenmanns? Enten...Lesley Logan  I think, it's entenmanns. Endilman is our friend ... (Lesley and Brad laughs) But ... I can see the light, the writing and all that coffee cake. But anyways, going back to this, you don't actually have to justify firing a client. And yes, you probably made mistakes along the way in upholding your boundaries. It's okay. After this podcast, you will not do that anymore. And if you join Agency Mini or Agency you will not do that anymore.Brad Crowell  Yeah, boundaries, you know.Lesley Logan  We train people how to treat us, we really do. (Brad: Yeah.) So here's what you do. Take a deep breath. They are not my sessions, they have left. And then say, "Thank you so much for letting me teach you this entire time. I am no longer available to teach you. And I know that's hard and I know change is hard. So I don't want to assume that you want to find a new teacher right away. But when you do, please reach out. And I will I will happily introduce you to someone or here on this post it note that I've got right here is all the information so you can take it up on your own when you're ready. (Brad: Yeah.) I thank you so much." And then whatever it is ...Brad Crowell  Notice that she didn't even tell her why. I'm not the right teacher for you. Here's your money back.Lesley Logan  There, they are not going to convince crazy. That ...Brad Crowell  There's no chance that like, if you know, you, you, you can say you keep you signed my client agreement, and you keep breaking my client agreement.Lesley Logan  You can't say it ... (Brad: That is super sad.) It's actually what is going on, you could totally do that. And, and that's also really nice. The thing is, it's like firing someone in a job. They're not listening, (Brad: No) and they're never had. Just think back to the last time you were dumped. Did you agree with the person dumping you like, let's just be real? Did you actually agree with like any of the things they said? No. So there's your client who's crazy is never gonna go, "You know what, you're right. I've been lying about all my illnesses." They're never gonna say that.Brad Crowell  You know what I did? I got I got completely blackout drunk last night. And I just skipped my class with you this morning and totally blew you off and then asked you, you know not to charge me for it. Yeah.Lesley Logan  So besides not charging you for I have had clients just text me I got completely blackout drunk last night. And please charge me for that. And they are still my clients because (Brad: Yeah but that's true.) they follow the boundaries. (Brad: They did.) They follow the rules. But I'm just saying like, when you have someone that you're like, "This person is actually like, just really affecting my ability to run, teach my other clients and run my business." You must let them go. You don't have to make excuses for it. You don't even have to tell them why. And if they ask, you can say, "We've discussed this in prior conversations. I'm happy to send you screenshots of those of the boundaries I've had and how you violated them." You can say that, but ...Brad Crowell  They will not take you up on that. (Lesley: They're not ...) They will be like, "Yeah, you text me, you send me every single tag."Lesley Logan  I'm going to tell you right now, no one's gonna say thanks for firing. I promise you. So there's no reason to do that. Just ...Brad Crowell  You don't even need to, you just keep it simple. Hey, you know (Lesley: Keep it simple ...) I'm not the right teacher for you. (Lesley: Here's the money.) Here's the refund.Lesley Logan  And like for if you're worried like the retaliation, well, that's what cops are for. So first of all, if they retaliate you via email, or text, message, screenshot all of it, save it, do not respond, send it to the police. (Brad: Yeah) If they are going to write a bad review, let me just tell you right now.Brad Crowell  You also have the opportunity to reply to said bad review. And that's like that can be just as powerful any other way where you get to, now you get to justify, (Lesley: Yeah) once you get to do it publicly in front of everyone, and you get to say, "You signed my client agreement, and yet you are consistently late over a six month period, and you never did this thing and you never did that thing and you rip my stuff, whatever."Lesley Logan  And you know what? That will make you feel really fucking good. You'll feel really good about that. And that's what I'll say about that. But I know it's scary. This is why a client agreements are a real thing. If you don't have one, use our scheduling tool. We give you one. These are contracts that you actually wear. This is how you allow ...Brad Crowell  Client waiver and the studio agreement. (Lesley: Yeah) Studio agreement is like this what you're agreed ...Lesley Logan  You agree to reschedule in this appropriate time. You agreed to pay on this time, all these very important things. My loves, you are the only person who can do what you do the way that you do it. (Brad: Yeah) I cannot have you burn out because someone did not follow your boundaries. You didn't enforce them and you're like, "Well, they could say something bad about me out there. So, I guess I'll just keep putting up with it." If your friend was telling you about a boyfriend, just treating them like crap, would you go, "Oh, well, you know what they could say things to other guys that can make you not dateable so you should just stay with him." Never, you would never do that. You would never do that. But you do that in your business all the time. Okay, I'm off myself.Brad Crowell  All right. All right. All right. Now let's talk ... I mean, that was that was pretty dramatic. I mean, (Lesley: You you labeled it.) I did. I did. I totally did.Lesley Logan  I didn't think it was gonna be dramatic, but then we went there.Brad Crowell  Okay, now let's talk about Kate Hudson, Hutson Hutson. Everyone has to have their eat, pray, love moment. And for an Executive Life Coach and Owner of Shattered Glass Coaching. Kate Hutson's moment came on the beach in a jungle, sitting in the sand, she decided it was time, it was time for a woman to learn how to show up with confidence. It was time for women to learn how to show up with confidence and embody the mindset needed to lead in their professions. And Kate has now made it her life's mission to help her clients overcome fear and create the life that they really wanted. In fact, I think she also was talking about sitting on a surfboard. (Lesley: I'm pretty sure, sitting on a surfboard.) Yeah. But she she was a workin in a job, not excited about it and was did a retreat. And in the retreat, she was having a conversation with one of the other retreaters and the other retreater was like, "You should be coaching people."Lesley Logan  Yeah. You know what I think? I think anytime you're super bored at your job. And you're like, "Why me?" I think you should go, "Oh, my God, I'm about to have my moment." (Brad: I'm about to have my moment.) I'm about to have ... If I'm bored in a job. That means I've been set up for something amazing. It's time to go to the beach. Just saying. I'm just saying like, I really think that like people like, "Woah is me." And it's like, actually, this is going to be the rock bottom you need to do your movie, your whole thing.Brad Crowell  Yeah. (Lesley: So...) And if you need a forum, in order for you to have that discovery, join us in Cambodia.Lesley Logan  Yeah, that's a jungle.Brad Crowell  It is a jungle. There's there's not a beach in that one. But there's a lake.Lesley Logan  There's a lake, it's beautiful. (Brad: Yes) Anyways, okay, I really love that she said, "Don't confuse free time with availability." Boom. Like, just take a moment right there. Free time and being available. There is times during the day that I am available that I definitely don't want to be called, chat with anyone, do anything, it is not in my free time. I'm like, "Oh what do I want to do?" Not be available for you. That's what it is. And so I really love that she actually verbalize that because I wonder listeners, hi. How often have you confused your free time with being available? (Brad: Sure.) Like people who are like, "I want to read a book." But they're always going out with friends. Well, you probably had time to read that book. You could like, I'm not saying like ditch your friends, but I'm just asking, I'm just saying like, look at how much time you're giving away as free time. That doesn't need to be available time.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I think I think it's, um, we're talking about boundaries already. And this is one of those things, you know, there is whether your free time is in the morning and you're meditating or taking a walk, and it's just you being you know, with you, or it's in the evening. And you know, you specifically don't have plans that night. It doesn't you know, you have free time is valuable. It's a it's an opportunity for your mind to recharge your body, to recharge for you to maybe get into something something fun, a new hobby like she's talking about, or even just reading a book like she's like Lesley was talking about, sorry, but it doesn't, you know, there that time has value. And if you lump it in with this is, I you know, someone calls and says, "Hey, did you want to go out?" You know, it's going to change that time dramatically. Sure, you're going to get a chance to hang with friends or do or any of that kind of thing, but you're not getting that recharge time.Lesley Logan  Yeah. Well, I mean, like, I remember back in LA when people are like, "Okay, when you guys are available for dinner?" And we would see that Friday night is available. But that would saying yes to that would mean that we were having dinner on Friday night, Saturday night and Sunday night. (Brad: Sure.) So yes, it's available but it's not free. (Brad: Yeah.) And and you have to just be really clear on like, if you were if you are an extrovert who's like fuck yeah, booked me all the time with people. That's fine, like know yourself, right? But just also make sure that when you say yes to things, that you are actually being conscious that it is going to take you away from other things which I think I'm leaving it to you.Brad Crowell  Yeah, yeah. Because I really loved she said saying no, actually means you're saying yes to something else, or vice versa. And this and it's funny because it took me a second to realize what she did there, I'm just gonna say it again, saying no means you're saying yes to something else. Okay. So you're not necessarily like, yes, you're telling your friend, "No, I'm not coming out." Okay. And you can you can dwell on that. You can be upset at yourself or, or whatever. But there's a, you can also reframe that decision. And you can say, "Hey, I would love to go out with you. But I have already said yes to something else." And that's something else is going to bed on time, or having a quiet night or reading the book, like we were just talking about. Right. So you know, and it's the same ...Lesley Logan  And just to put in there, you don't have to ever justify a 'no' or a 'yes', just like, going back to our little question. (Brad: Yeah) You don't ever have to justify anything you say.Brad Crowell  Right. You don't have to explain to them. You just made the decision. And that is the decision, that's what you're doing. Right. So if you if you are on a roll, and you know that you feel good when you get eight hours asleep, and you're like, consistently going to bed at nine o'clock. And someone says, "Hey, do you want to go see a comedy show at eight?" You can say, "I'm sorry. I've already said yes to something at nine." (Lesley: Yeah.) And they'll be like, "You did?" And you're like, "Yeah. My fucking pillow." You know, like, you don't have to explain that.Lesley Logan  Oh, you know what? Let's just go back to before we're dating. You called me one night. (Brad: Yes, I did.) And you called me and you wanted to hang out. And I was like, "No. Call me earlier. (Brad: Yeah) I'm sleep already."Brad Crowell  I did... I used to stay super late at the office. Like I would leave at 7 or 8pm. Yeah, you know and she was like, "Don't come by." I was like, "What the ... Okay, I won't."Lesley Logan  Yeah, you can call me earlier. (Brad: Yeah.) And he never called me that late ever again. He called earlier (Brad: That's true.) after that.Brad Crowell  That was boundaries.Lesley Logan  Yeah. So but I just anyways, I think it's really important. Sometimes we think if we say no to something, that we're gonna disappoint people. Here's the deal, you probably will. But if they hold that against you, here's your sign. That's not the right person to be around. (Brad: Right.) You're, all of my most amazing relationships are not offended when I go off the face of the earth to them. They know it's not personal. (Brad: Yeah.) If you are a person in my life, and you take it personally that I took a week and I didn't text or call you, we are not friends. Because I don't have people who need me to coddle them in my life. I don't do that. That's not how it works with me. (Brad: Yeah.) And it might sound really cold. But I promise you, when I had those people in my life, I was an asshole. I was stressed out, (Brad: Yeah.) crying, frustrated, lost. I am so more I'm able to be present with people. I'm able to love and be generous with my time and my love for them because they don't expect me to say yes to everything. So I ...Brad Crowell  Yeah, I mean, like, you know, I just had my 40th birthday party (Lesley: Yes, you did.) and one of my closest friends ...Lesley Logan  Looking good at 40, 40's never looked this good. Brad Crowell  One of my closest friends wasn't able to be there for the for the actual hang. You know, and another one of my closest friends wasn't able to be at our wedding. You know, and it doesn't change the fact that they're still some of my closest friends. You know, so ...Lesley Logan  You know, I just want to say this because I listened to Iliza Shlesinger - Ask Iliza Anything. Everyone is fucking amazing. And Iliza will be a guest in this show. I'm putting that out there. Guys, don't ever have a problem with this. This is only this is sorry, ladies. Like most guys do not take offense. Like it's a bummer. (Brad: Yeah, I was bumed. But it's okay.) But it wasn't you were like, "Oh my God, I can't believe. He wasn't at my wedding." But women, ladies, we need to get it together. It is not personal if someone can't make your thing. (Brad: Right.) And if it is person who is doing that to be personal, have the but like the galls have some balls to actually say, "I'm not coming to your wedding because I don't like the person you're married period." Like and like whatever it is to say the thing. I just think that like, we're like walking around like, "Oh my God, I don't want to offend anyone. I'm gonna do this. One of the things. I'm tired of it." And you are people in your life should understand that no means no. And it's not personal and that you are when you say no to something going back to Kate, because she's amazing. You are allowing yourself to say yes to something else. (Brad: Yeah.) And you may not know what that something else is, or you may be very frickin clear. But I get offered to do things all the time. And it's like, I could say yes to those things. But it will mean saying no to something else that could come up. And so I'm really like I have a little like roadmap. I have some things I think about. I give myself some time on my... "Hey, can I get back to you on that? When do you need to know by so that I can actually weigh it all out and make sure ..." One, I'm not saying yes because (Brad: Yeah, think about it. Sure.) Yeah. Because I don't want to say yes. Because words of affirmation love language, hello. Like, it's really flattering to be invited to things. And I also want to make sure that when I say yes, I'm not going to be able, it's, I'm not I'm not going to bail, because I don't do that. Like if I say yes to something. I'm there. (Brad: Yeah.) So I really try to make sure that I don't say yes to things and then go, "Hey, you know what, I know I said it at dinner at your house tonight. And it's five o'clock, and you've been making dinner all day, I'm sure. And I'm not coming." Like I don't do that. So I'm, so if you're struggling to say no to things, find out when you people need to know things by that should just be a go to when do you know my answer by so that you can then start to practice saying yes or no.Brad Crowell  Right. Yeah. And it's a great way that's actually really solid advice because ... (Lesley: Thank you.) And ... You're so welcome. In the moment, you're going to feel that pressure, right? But if you are giving yourself a buffer, "Hey, thanks so much for the invitation. Like when do you need to know by. I want to check my calendar and just make sure everything makes sense." Now now you have a time to like process that. Lesley Logan  Okay, let's talk about some BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action can we take away from your convoBrad Crowell  From your convo (Brad: From my convo.) with Kate Hutson?Lesley Logan  I know. I was I stole Brad line.Brad Crowell  She did. But it's okay.Lesley Logan  It's fine. I love Kate Hutson. If I haven't said already. She is really fun, concise, like she is was really good at like bringing she had so many great little gems in there. And ...Brad Crowell  Yeah. And it was very unfiltered.Lesley Logan  Yeah. Going back to our thing. I hope you all know we changed the word every week. Anyways, she had one.Brad Crowell  Yes, she gave us one solid action item.Lesley Logan  So she said for the rest of the year, try something new each month that you've never tried before. Holding ... what are you doing this month that you've never done before?Brad Crowell  That is a great question.Lesley Logan  I am going to look up this class that our friend Victoria.Brad Crowell  Can I, what do you need to know that by I'm going to check my calendar and get back to you?Lesley Logan  Well, we're recording this early. So you know, that's a great ...Brad Crowell  I was just joking about answering your question.Lesley Logan  Great. So, you know, we actually already did something this month we've never done before. So we're good there. (Brad: We did.) Yeah, we went to Chippendales. (Brad: Oh, yeah, we did that.) That was so fun. (Brad: It was pretty insane.) Shoutout to LA, what a great job. (Brad: Yeah.) So, but why we, why both Brad and I love this. And now the thing that I'm going to do for this month, I've never tried before, I'm gonna put in September, gonna buy myself sometime. Because our friend Victoria is like, there's a class at Millennium where you just lay on your back and do like leg stuff. And I was like, "She's so amazing."Brad Crowell  It's a dance class (Lesley: It's a dance class.) where you laying your back.Lesley Logan  Yes. But I've never I never did, I don't like to take dance classes because I can't dance. But I was like, "Oh, I can do that. That I could do." I'd be amazing. I might have a new like talent. I might be on a show with this talent. We don't even know yet. I have to go take the class first. But I'll do that first September. But why we love this is because you and I did The Artist's Way. (Brad: Yeah.) And you have to do something different every week. You take yourself on an artist's date every week. (Brad: Yeah, every week.) And it was annoying, and also extremely exciting.Brad Crowell  It was fun. Actually, it took it took a couple of weeks to get in the groove.Lesley Logan  Yeah. The first weeks, is it just felt like pressure.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I was like, "I gotta make time for this in my schedule." But then it became it became something to look forward to.Lesley Logan  Like a game. (Brad: Yeah) And it's kind of like, "Oh, what am I going to do for this that I've never done before?" And so why I love this is I think it is I know for me, I love routine. I love routine so much. I'm like, I'm doing this thing currently, I'm supposed to look for green cars, and I haven't even left the house. So I just keep looking at the only green car across the street like, "Oh, look green car. Look green car." Because like I suppose it's it's a thing from a book I'm doing. (Brad: That's really funny.) Anyway. (Brad: I think ...) I love my routine so much. I won't leave the house. Like I'll just stay here. I could just stay here for days. I could just stay at the house for days and only leave to walk the dogs and (Brad: It's true.) I'd be like, yes. So I love this because it's like, "Oh, if I'd have to do something new each month I'm gonna have to leave the house."Brad Crowell  Well, I think I think I decided what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna go fishing. (Lesley: Oh, okay.) I think I did that once before when I was like 12.Lesley Logan  Are you gonna go with my dad? (Brad: Yeah) Great. You know what I want to do? I want to take our paddle board out maybe I'll do that on Sunday by myself. Um, you'll have the van. (Brad: I will.) Okay, well, I will do that when you get back but I, I just ...Paddle boarding is fun.We have a paddle board and it's fun. And also we ...Brad Crowell  Make sure you paddle board at Lake Mead and well ...Lesley Logan  I'm gonna find a body. Yes. Oh my gosh. Have y'all heard how many bodies their finding out for now? (Brad: I think it's four. Yeah.) Yeah. By the way, there's a lot of people who are pouring water into that on that lake. I swear, like come on the mafia has to be like, "Get the water in the lake. Get the water in the lake." Anyways, I just think can you all please do me a humungous favor? Tag this episode. (Brad: Yeah.) And tell us what you're gonna do this month you've never tried before? (Brad: Yeah.) And if you remember next month, do it again. (Brad: Do it again.) Because this is a great way if you're like hobby hunting, or you're unsure what your next step is, I promise you when you do something different you've never done before. First of all, it's really weird. It's really like scary nervous, like anxious and build this stuff up. And then you do it. And then you have like this data going back to John Mollura's episode, this data that you can do new things, and it breeds confidence.Brad Crowell  Yeah, that's ...Lesley Logan  All right. I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell  And, I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan  Thank you so much for joining us today. We are so freaking grateful for you. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Let us know by send us a DM to the pod, on Instagram and we'll catch you on the next episode.Brad Crowell  Bye for now.Lesley Logan  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day! 'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.Brad Crowell   It's written produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli. Lesley Logan  Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing. Brad Crowell  Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. 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How do you downsize and what part does community play in your aspirations? Brad and LL recap Tiny House expert, Ethan Waldman, and give their thoughts on the importance of community, how sharing your story leads to success, and what decluttering today may look like for you. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How you train people to treat youHow sharing your vision allows other people to be a part of it Taking what you know to “retool” it laterPracticing seeing yourself in others' stories leads to evidence you can do what you wantThe value of decluttering and leaving a smaller footprint Episode References/Links:AGENCY MINICADILLAC PILATES FLASHCARDSTINY HOUSE BLOG  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the building convo I had with Ethan Waldman in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now and go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us. You know what's really exciting, is we're getting surveys in. Thank you everyone beitpod.com/tellme is where you're gonna give me your opinion, if you haven't done that already. And what we're finding out is some of you love the recaps. Some of you love the interviews and some of you will love it both. And it's really exciting to find out why you liked that. So, you listen to both and tell us which ones you like and if you've listened to all of them like a few of you I know that's amazing. (Brad: Yeah) Thank you for staying up on top of every single episode.Brad Crowell  We love having you.Lesley Logan  I love having you. Okay, so today is the day.Brad Crowell  Okay, Cardi.Lesley Logan  The Cadillac decks are shipping. (Brad and Lesley laughs) Holy moly, I, you know I feel like I birthed an elephant, baby. Like this is how long, this has been in the womb. And (Brad: Yeah) we have had supply chain issues and other things that have just made this take a lot longer ...Brad Crowell  Design stuff, puzzle. I mean (Lesley: Yeah) the ... the puzzle of content itself.Lesley Logan  How do you get 110 cards in a box is like (Brad: Yeah) really a thing. So if you bought the Cadillac deck on presale, it shipping now. Thank you so much.Brad Crowell  Yeah. It will be shipping. And if it's not the exact day, it'll be like in the next day.Lesley Logan  Yeah, don't scare them. It's happening right now. We're putting into the universe. It's happening right now. The other thing is, if you haven't bought the Cadillac deck, and for like I have the tower Lesley, that's fine, most almost all the cards, except for teeny tiny handful can be on a tower. And we have, we have descriptions how to do that, and how to set yours up as well. You can buy the cards now. And (Brad: Yeah) for a very, very brief moment if you're listening to this not in real time, if just listening to the future, it's not happening now. But if you're listening to this in real time, go to onlinepilatesclasses.com because we will have special situation going on this week. Or if you buy a Cadillac deck, you get a deal on a Mat deck. (Brad: Yeah) That's just for you, very special, so ...Brad Crowell  You'll find that on the home page or maybe on a pop up. But you can also go to onlinepilatesclasses.com/flashcards.Lesley Logan  Oh, you could do that. That's where you can go. Okay, and we are exactly, today's a special date. (Brad: It is.) We are one month from the start of Agency Mini number seven. What does that mean? It's our seven day coaching program. It's the seventh time we've run it. So I can't think of another lucky number to get in on but Agency Mini number seven.Brad Crowell  Yeah. So this is obviously Profitable Pilates, and it's a week long snapshot of our ongoing coaching program. What's in it for you, you are going to walk away knowing exactly how much you should be charging your your clients. So figuring out your pricing, schedule, your product offerings, you are also going to understand, you know how your story can help you share. And we're going to, we're going to talk a little bit more about this today. But passionately sharing your story is going to help you connect with your future clients.Lesley Logan  Yeah, yeah. And we go for so much. And so we have a special webinar that we, that Brad has mentioned, we also have a Q&A call, where you can ask us anything. And then during the week, you're in a private group, where you can ask us anything. Brad and I turned into like total gamers, everything is delivered. Everyone takes care of us that we can take care of you and answer your questions about your business because I do believe that you are the only person who can do what you do the way that you do it. (Brad: Yeah) And you have to be reminded of that regularly. And I also know that coaching can seem like it's out of your league. It's for somebody else and not you yet your business isn't big enough. Who are you? But every single one of us needs someone we can ask advice from who's been there. And Brad and I have been there we've coached over 1200 businesses (Brad: Yeah) at this point, just in our minis alone.Brad Crowell  I mean, that's kind of insane. (Lesley: It's insane.) 1200 businesses. (Lesley: Yeah) That's that's actually that's pretty amazing. (Lesley: Yeah) I'm patting myself on the back. I'm actually more just shocked that that's that's the actual number. We went back and looked at it and I was like, "Oh (Lesley: Yeah) damn." (Lesley: Yeah) Anyway, we we would love to connect with you. The reality is, we can help you answer the questions that you have worked through the concerns, the fears, the anxiety. You know, we have built an amazing community of incredibly supportive teachers and studio owners around the world who are in the same exact boat as you are in the fitness business. Right. And when you have a chance to connect with other people who actually get it, you know, they actually know what you're going through. It is such it's such a relief. It's an incredible support system. And that's all part of Agency the ongoing thing we're going to have, like I said one week of that with Agency Mini. So come join us. Just go to profitablepilates.com/mini, profitablepilates.com/mini.Lesley Logan  Yep. Okay, we have an audience question to respond to.Brad Crowell  Yeah, we totally do. The, I know you got this in a DM. And this was a little bit more on the business side of things. But, is there a gray area for when you should you would not charge a late cancellation fee? Because as I'm sure you've all heard, Lesley talks about cancellation fees all the time.Lesley Logan  I do. And actually this came from because I've been talking about why you need a scheduling tool. And if you want to know more about why use a scheduling tool and how to find one for you make sure that you go to profitablepilates.com because we have a free webinar on that topic specifically. But first of all, here's what I say, I know that there are emergencies like legit emergencies, I've had a client get in a car accident on their way to a session. (Brad: Right) Obviously, I'm not an asshole. Like they were on their way to the session. Had someone not t boned their car, they would have been at the session, right? So and I have had a client who on her way into a session got a call that she lost her brother, like, those are some legit things, and I am I human being. So I get that. And here's the thing I charge every other late cancel, so that I can not charge those. (Brad: Right) So for me the gray area is that I am extremely firm on my cancellation policy, I make people sign off that they understand the cancellation policy. And I am very clear from the first time that they late cancel that, that I charge it. So you (Brad: Yeah) train people how to treat you. (Brad: Yeah) And then if they give me pushback, I say, "Look, you know the fact that you forgot you had a meeting today is not my emergency. That's your emergency. That's not a health thing. That's like that's a lack of planning. And it sucks. And (Brad: Yeah) I feel for you, I wish you could be here right now." But if I don't teach them to make sure they protect their time, that's for them to become the person that they want to be, then they will always like cancel on me because they will know that I'm the one that will bend over backwards over those two scenarios. (Brad: Yeah) Right. Guess what that person is able to do? Call that meeting and say, "Can we meet in 30 minutes? Or can we meet on the phone?" (Brad: Sure.) Yes, they could. Right. So I am helping people make time for themselves. So the gray area is simply like, like death ...Brad Crowell  Yeah, I mean, it's not even, it's not even that it's extenuating circumstances that are out of the control of the person that you're teaching that they didn't plan for it. It's an actual emergency kind of thing. Where like, I mean ...Lesley Logan  I mean people make up the flu, and I still charge them.Brad Crowell  Okay, so but but I think that I don't I don't hate that. (Lesley: Yeah) Okay. But my point is that, you know, it's about boundaries. (Lesley: Yeah) And it's about you understanding, when is a reasonable time for you to be gracious, you can't be gracious every time. You're not you, you're doing yourself a disservice if you're always excusing them, because you're teaching them that they can treat you that way.Lesley Logan  And also, like just so you know, I had a client who never ever, ever, ever, ever got sick, and one time she got the flu, and I was kind of at it, because they never done it before. And I met someone else who like every other session, they had some sort of like allergy season happening. (Brad Right) So like, I think you really do have to like, figure that out. But you have to first I would rather you err on the side of charging every late cancel than charging zero because it is so much easier to be the kind angel who doesn't charge when you've always charged (Brad: Yeah) versus retraining people that you always charge, you're going to have to have way more tough conversations. And the other thing is, when I am sick and I had to cancel, I owed them a session. That was the agreement. So I late canceled on them versus early canceled on them. I owed them a session.Brad Crowell  Which was like incredibly rare.Lesley Logan  Yeah, so we're incredibly rare and then also, what you can do is I put in my contracts that if I got them a sub, they didn't have to take the sub. But then I owe them a session. So then if I can (Brad: Right) get another teacher to cover me if I was sick, then if they didn't want to take the session, I didn't owe them one. So there's ways of working around this. But ...Brad Crowell  And the easiest way to handle late sessions and actually can't billing them for them is to use our scheduling tool. (Lesley: Yeah, because they ...) You can set it up automatically, where it's they sign the contract when they join, and in the contract that talks about your late cancellation policy. And you can make it 24 hours, 48 hours, whatever makes sense for you. And then in the app, you can literally set it up where like if they have a package, or if they booked a session at all, and they cancel during your you know, inside of your cancellation window. So if you've got 24 hour cancellation window and they cancel 23 hours in, automatically they're getting docked from, like a session dock from their package, or the session that they paid for is you know, they they're they've already paid for it.Lesley Logan  Yeah, and this came up because I want you to do the math for a second. If you only charge $75 for a session which I know some people charge 120, some people charge less than like, let's just say 75 and you let someone like cancel without paying one time a week. Out of 48 weeks a year. That's not like that's not even an unreasonable number it's going to happen. That's $3,600 that you have left on the table. For some of you, that's almost a month's worth of income if (Brad: Right) you're teaching about 15 hours a week. (Brad: Yeah) Right. Like, let's it's almost your entire month's income, the amount of money you, imagine things you could use that money for, to either propel your life forward or make the lives around you better, like you could literally I don't care if you're donating all the money away. It's still money that you're you're taking away from somebody, whether it's you, whether it's a charity, whether it's people you could hire to help with your business, like that is real, legit money. And it's important to me that you are making real legit money so you can do more of what you love. And you can take care of the people that you care about the most. (Brad: Yeah) And if this kind of question is something you are really like, "Oh, I wish I had more answers like this." That's how I do my coaching. This is what Brad and I do all day long every day in our coaching business. So join Agency Mini.Brad Crowell  All right, let's talk about Ethan Waldman. Let's jump straight in here. Tiny House author, speaker and teacher. Ethan Wallman has a built a business around educating people on how to plan and build tiny homes from testing and turning a dream idea into his business. He is an inspiration for what can happen when you finally put the foundation down and begin progressing towards your next big thing. Yeah.Lesley Logan  I actually really loved that we talked about sharing the vision, the importance of like, of like telling people around you of like what you're doing and sharing this vision that you have. It allows people to be part of the journey, but it allows people to also help you. And again, (Brad: Yeah) it gets you excited about it. Because every time you ...Brad Crowell  Yeah. You're selling yourself every time you're sharing your vision, you're reselling yourself. Totally.Lesley Logan  Yeah. So I was really into that. I mean, I think ...Brad Crowell  He talked about how people would like offer to help. He's like, "Yeah, I'm building this tiny home. It's so cool. Oh, this weekend, I'm going to tackle this thing." And he's like, "Yeah, when I was telling people about it." They were like, "I'm not doing anything on Saturday. I can help." And he's like, "What? Okay."Lesley Logan  Yeah. And you know what, here's the thing like a being it till you see it, everyone, when you share your aspirations, whether you saw yourself in building a tiny home, or just like building anything else, and people want to help you say, 'yes'. That's what they they that is them sharing their love with you. That is an act of service, love gesture, and like they want to help you. And it's so important that we say 'yes', unless it's a stalker, then maybe say 'no', but like, if it's a legit person that you actually enjoy spending time with, I'm just saying, because someone's ... listening by my stalker want to help me. I don't need your DM, I hear you. But my point is like to be it till you see it, you should take help from others. (Brad: Yeah) That's how we get anywhere.Brad Crowell  Yeah, totally. Each time that you share the vision, you get better at sharing the vision. Right. And even though you might not be selling someone on the idea, it you know, the more you, you will figure out what people connect with, right? This is actually, when I used to work in food, it my, I had a goal, my goal was to learn the menu upside down and backwards to learn everything about how it was prepared. I wanted a story behind each dish. Oh, yeah, this specific type of fish comes from blah, blah, blah, blah. And the way that chef prepares it is X Y Z and something really, and then we do this thing. And it's amazing. And it tastes so good and smells all the things. Right. And my whole goal was to have a story behind every single dish on the menu. And it allowed me to know how to sell it. So that just takes practice, it takes time, you know, the more that you are, the more that you're thinking about that and re re saying it a different way. Basically, just like I literally just did right there, because I couldn't come up with a word. (Brad and Lesley laughs) You are gonna get better at selling, at sharing that story. And your vision is something that you ultimately we always talking about elevator pitches and all the things you know, whether that's like just you talking about who you are, and what you do in life, or you actually going out and selling a product, the more often you share your vision, the better at it, you get.Lesley Logan  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what's one thing you loved?Brad Crowell  Awesome. Well, okay, so I was really excited about his idea of taking something that he had figured out, and then effectively retooling it, and doing using that later. And he so it's ironic, because it's kind of what I just talked about with sharing your vision over and over again, I didn't actually realize that I was connecting these dots here. But basically, he had started a coaching business. And he said, the people that he really wanted to serve. Ultimately, he realized they can't pay me. And while I love doing what I'm doing, I can't pay the bills by bartering for, you know, for services. And what he so he decided to pause his coaching services and while he was still building and ultimately moved into his tiny home, and so it was at that time that he was like, "Wait a minute duh, I obviously can share my experience about the, you know, the tiny home process with other people." And that's when he really started to write a book. That was like 2013 2014, he released the book. And ... (Lesley: It's a good year to release books.) It was a good year ... (Lesley laughs) But it's also like 200 pages, it's not just like a (Lesley: Yeah) five page PDF. This is like a legit book, whole process. And he's he was excited to share about how it helps you ...Mostly, I was just talking about my book, because I release at the same time. That's why. (Brad: Oh, yes you did. Yeah.) But I, but here's the thing. (Brad: that's funny) I think that a lot of people listen to this episode and they be like, "Lesley brought on someone about tiny homes. Why did you do that?" Because it was a story, an example of someone who's doing something else who decided to do something he's never done before. (Brad: Yeah) Did the thing and then made a career out of the thing that he just did. (Brad: Yeah.) And I think we often think who am I to do something, and I needed you to hear a story of like, here's someone who probably could have had that same exact question. And instead, still did it and hit obstacles along the way, and then took what they were able to do and took it as a skill set of theirs and like, break it down and put it into a 200 page book. I know, it's coaching and create communities around that.Yeah. And that's exactly what he said, he said, you know, in 2014, his business was able to grow, survive based on selling the book. And he said, today, people really want more like courses, tutorial videos, training sessions, or whatever plus community. And so he's built a community around tiny homes. And he said, he has people in there from all stages, whether they're planning it, or they're building it, or they live in it, and they want to make changes or whatever. And it's very inspiring, because he was able to take it from his corporate job to his coaching business, which didn't go the way you want it, apply more of those things to, now business coaching people through tiny homes. (Lesley: Yeah) So I thought that was great.Lesley Logan  I think it's just like, the more we can practice seeing ourselves in someone else's story, the more we can start to see that there's evidence around you that you can do whatever the hell you want.Brad Crowell  I think it's amazing. I do think it's amazing that there's like an infinite number of ways to make money.Lesley Logan  There is an infinite number. Okay, BE IT action items.Brad Crowell  Yeah, let's talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your conversation with Ethan? So he had only one super clear and concise BE IT action item. And his assumption with that was that you're interested in tiny homes. So do you want to share?Lesley Logan  Yeah, it's so basically, if you're interested in tiny homes, like the and like, the one thing you could be doing is like start decluttering and downsizing in the current place that you're living. So like, how can you actually take up less of a footprint in your current space, so that you are ready to live in this tiny home. And I'll say this when I moved into my first tiny home, which was my apartment that Brad moved in a year later, I had nothing. I actually have a picture I showed, I showed Amanda, our producer, a picture of my apartment when I moved and it was just like 13 lego boxes, and a bowl, a bunch of those colorful balls, and a peace sign lamp. It's all I own. Right. And then I we like slowly built our way into it. But the point is, is like like, I don't care if you want to build a tiny home or not. If you are wanting to have more clarity, if you're wanting to feel less overwhelmed, declutter. Like Rachel Rogers says, "Millionaires don't have piles around." And I just every time I see a pile, I'm like, "Oh, is that's keeping me from being a millionaire." So like, it doesn't matter if you want to live in a tiny home or not. If you just want to, like have more abundance around you get rid of your piles.Brad Crowell  So, I while I was listening to you. He, I just decided what if I pulled up his site? I bet you he has information on how do you downsize? Right. And in fact, he does. If you search the tinyhouse.net and you search downsize, or how do you downsize to live in a tiny house, he has a post on this. And you know, he said the reason that he recommends that for you is because that's something you can do before you spend any money before you start pla... like laying out plans, any of these like big decision stuff. This is something you can begin to do now. Something you can take action on today and it will help you get into that mode of living in a decluttered downsized, you know space. And also it's very freeing. I know Lesley and I, like Lesley was just saying it was it was actually like really rejuvenating for me to get rid of almost all of my stuff. It was pretty much.Lesley Logan  Yeah. I think again, just like try it on. Just try it out to see what it's like to like, let go of some excess and see what it allows you to do in your life. I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell  And, I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan  Thank you so much for joining us today. We are so grateful for you to be here. Thank you. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Let us know by sending us a DM and tag at the pod and we'll catch you on the next episode.Brad Crowell  Bye for now.Lesley Logan  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. 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Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:The value in a scheduling tool How do you get to Cambodia and tips for international travel How to allow rejection to grow youHow hiding your truth is keeping you stagnant and from genuine relationshipsTo be yourself, you have to learn about yourselfEpisode References/Links:Replay of Profitable Pilates Free WebinarBe It Pod Survey!Cambodia Retreat  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan  And I'm having headphone problems. That's fine. We're good now. How are they twisted? How does that happen? How does that happen? They literally just set them down and then they tangle that. It's like, it's like a like it's like the same thing with your like headphones with Apple. It's like you just put them down and then they're like a ball of yarn. Anyways my virtual problems over here.Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap for my co host in life, Brad Crowell and I are going to have a meet where we're going, we're gonna dig in. we're gonna dig into the meaningful convo I had with Coach Lee Hopkins in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened that interview, go back, listen to it. There's full surprises, full of like, just some really amazing vulnerable moments, I think we all can relate to, no matter who you are, or (Brad: Yeah) what you do in this world. And I've been we traveled a course of their life. And I am just, I could have kept going. It was a little hard. Like, I think we had to stop now. It ... (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell  It was it was a really well, meaningful convo. But I loved the all the different, actual, like, specifics of action items that Coach Lee had to share. I really enjoyed the conversation. (Lesley: Yeah) It was it was amazing.Lesley Logan  So yesterday, we had this amazing free webinar over at Profitable Pilates. I get a lot of questions. I have, first of all, a lot of people either overpaying for scheduling tools, so yeah, at least you have something. But there is too much. It's not working for them. And so you know, and most of them don't even know how to get their clients to use it. And they're afraid of losing their clients or making them use it. And then a ton of people don't think they're tech savvy enough, or don't think their business is in air quotes "big enough" to have a scheduling tool. (Brad: Sure) And so I just had a really fun time, like, explaining to people all the reasons why you need to have a scheduling tool, what you need to do to search for one, to make sure you pick one that works for you. And then also why mine is amazing. (Lesley laughs) So you can get all of that for free. If you go to profitablepilates.com/answer. And whether or not use my scheduling tool is fine. Like, look, we can't be all things to all people. Mine is friggin awesome. It has contracts, by the way to save you time and money. But I really am, I'm on a mission to help more bodies doing Pilates. And if you don't have all the clients that you want to teach on this planet, you're you're not helping me with my mission. So I got to help you teach other people you want to teach. And it's not enough for your scheduling to be full. I also want you to have a frickin life. I want you to have balance. I want you to time away from your business. And I want you to have clients that respect you. So you need to school, you need a tool. So go to profitablepilates.com/answer because that's what I did yesterday and you can watch the replay.Brad Crowell  Yeah, yeah, definitely. I love digging into this topic because I think the the we've been coaching people for years. And we've coached literally more than 1000 business owners now. And two things come up consistently. One is people are afraid to pay for tools ...Lesley Logan  Of any kind, just any kind.Brad Crowell  I mean, literally fucking credit card transactions, that one blows my mind. It is normal cost of doing business period, there's no question you will pay a credit card transaction fee somewhere.Lesley Logan  And also, that's not new. This is decades old. (Brad: Yeah) It's a write off, pay the transaction fee, build it into your cost.Brad Crowell  It's literally as you can give. So if you charge $1, but you only get 97 cents, which is the way it works. That 3% that three cents, you actually still charged. So on your your taxes, that is considered a banking fee that you had to pay. And it's a write off. (Lesley: Yeah) So don't be afraid of credit card transactions. Okay ... I didn't even take the time to go on a rant. The second thing is people don't look at themselves as if they are quote enough, a big enough business or a legitimate business enough to warrant a tool like this and these two myths, one that you aren't big enough to pay for a tool and two, that you're not big enough to even use a tool. They're myths, they're myths, because you can make your life easier and have a more a smoother functioning business experience when you have tools that will support you doing those things. Imagine being a graphic designer who never bought Photoshop. That's the dumbest thing, right? Of course, you have Photoshop, if you're a graphic designer, it is a given. Imagine being a musician, but you didn't buy a keyboard. How are you going to do that? You have to buy the tools, you have to have the tools to be able to function in the art that you're doing. Right? In the same way you are running a business as a fitness business owner. And so you there's no reason you shouldn't also have the tools.Lesley Logan  And by the way, you can have the tools and people can pay cash, and it's the same price, you can charge them the same price. And so they go, "What if I pay cash?" Yeah, that's the price, I still have to run it through the government, the government still has to know how many dollars I took in. (Brad: Yeah) So you need a scheduling tool. (Brad: Yeah) You need one. I don't care if you teach five hours a week, you deserve to teach five hours week, but not spend five hours additional a week to do the thinking and the scheduling and the rescheduling and the (Brad: the rescheduling) admin and the ...Brad Crowell  and the texting of your clients. And then oh, but one client likes to email you instead. You know, I mean ... (Lesley laughs) Right. It's so there's, there's all of that admin time, it actually, it's not even that it takes a lot of time, because that's the that's another story we tell ourselves. It's like, "Oh, it's not that big a deal. I can deal with it." Right. But it's not even about the fact that you sit down and have to text them back or the fact that you have to email them back. It's about that mental checklist that you are building in your head that I have to do these things, and that actually wears on you, it creates stress over time that you don't even realize it's happening. Imagine if all that stuff was consolidated into one spot, and you didn't have to, in your mind, remember, "Oh, I got a text sounds over here. I got an email. So it's over there. I gotta call this person." Like ...Lesley Logan  And they're like ... (Brad: You don't have to do that.) And also like, "Oh, a time opened up. I had to tell this person that time opened up." No, (Brad: Right) they can put themselves on a waitlist (Brad: Yeah) for the time that they want if you have a scheduling tool (Brad: Yeah) like ours that lets you do it. I'm just saying. I almost went down to like, I was about to give an example. I'm gonna give it to you anyways, we use a project management tool. And they're expensive when you find when to use like, you can use them for free when you're a loner. But when you start to add people to your team, they always charge you. (Brad: Yeah) So and it's like, you can justify like, "Oh, I don't want to spend this X amount of dollars, because I could just tell my assistant to do the thing." Yeah, but if every single week you do something, and then your assistant does something. The amount of time you spent, times that by 52 weeks. (Brad: Yeah) You know, you're talking hours and then ...And what if you have more than one person on your team? (Lesley: Yeah) Right. Like, you know, it becomes this compounding effect and it's the same thing ...And also you're gonna forget because you're not perfect. And that's okay because perfect is fucking boring. (Brad: Yeah) Anyways, we'll talk about scheduling tools in another day.Brad Crowell  Okay. Where did they find that webinar?Oh, you go to profitablepilates.com, profitablepilates.com/answerprofitablepilates.com/answer. And you can watch that replay. It was a great time. One other super quick announcement, and we'll get going here is we really need your input for this podcast. So we really value you sharing with us how your experience, if you've loved the episodes, you know, and if you think that there's other things we can be doing that make it even more valuable for us. We're really interested in your feedback. So go to beitpod.com/tellme, beitpod.com/tellme and share with us your feedback about this podcast so far. This is episode 126. And we, you know, we can make we can make completely sweeping changes. But before we do anything like that, we would love to have you share your thoughts.Lesley Logan  Yeah. So, I can't wait to hear what you're saying. Okay, our audience question this week is ... It's like a little Cardi B version.Brad Crowell  I never traveled internationally. How hard is it to get to Cambodia?Lesley Logan  So this is really fun because this is the response I got to us going to Cambodia and I first of all, I'm so loving that someone is like, "I've never traveled internationally like how do I get there?" I love that for you because everyone should do this. Everyone should travel internationally and ladies, every single one of you need to do a trip alone. And that trip alone could be with me. Because at least you're doing the like like you're traveling you're not like relying on waiting for a partner to go with you or something like that. Like you're like, take your signing yourself up for an adventure. You learn so much about yourself when you do that. (Brad: Yeah) So how hard is it to get there? Well, first of all, I don't know where you live. So that's a little tricky, but it's not that hard.Brad Crowell  Yeah, it's not even I think that the thing that's daunting about it is the idea that you'll be on a plane for, you know, 11 hours or something. And I think that in, I remember, I'm thinking back to the very first time we drove, we drove, we drove across the Pacific, (Lesley laughs) we flew to Asia from Los Angeles, and I remember thinking like, "Holy cow, I don't know what it's gonna be like. I'm not sure that I'm, I'm like, ready to be on a plane for you know, 12 hours at a shot." And what, what, in my head I was telling myself, I'm in the backseat of my parent's mini van, you know, and I'm 13 years old and my sister and my brother are there and we have nowhere to go there's one bucket seat and like we're banging elbows with each other for the entire ride. That's like the that's like what was going through my mind, right? But in reality if you've never flown internationally before the planes are bigger than domestic planes.Lesley Logan  Oh, my God. It's so amazing. I hate flying domestic like I hate it. I, even in Europe when you go from one country to another country that sorta, technically international when you're in the EU, those flights suck too. International flight (Brad: Yeah. They are small.) are better. Anytime the flight has to cross the ocean. It is the best, you will love it and also they get movies that are in the theater. They like like they get movies that are still in the theater, they get the best movies and they serve you too much food. So how difficult is it to get you in Cambodia? Look you will need a visa that is one of the hardest things if you've never done something like that you'll need a visa and a passport. So if you need a passport. But the ...Brad Crowell  Visa, I don't know, if the visa is the hardest part, then traveling to Asia is so easy. (Lesley: It's so easy because ...) Because it was just an application form, it was like 36 bucks, they get back to you in three days. You could even get a visa when you land in Cambodia.Lesley Logan  It's also like, you just go here's a picture of me for my passport and here's the dates I'm coming in. And here's the address, which is my house that you're staying at. Like, you know, the reason why we do the retreat the way we do it is because I want you leave, like take a flight after work on Friday. You'll get there with the time difference on Sunday. And then when you leave our house on Friday, if you decide to go other places I hope you do. We had this one mom who like never traveled internationally before by herself and she did and she like extended her trip with like four other places. But you can leave there on a Friday and be home on a Saturday see the whole day to get back and get used to like your current, your timezone at home. (Brad: Yeah) The the flights are ...Brad Crowell  We try to be conscious of that so that you can like take one week off of work (Lesley: Yeah) if that's what you need to do. But if you want to stay, you're already over in Asia, you can.Lesley Logan  And then hit real quick on this. My trick for traveling internationally is a suit whatever we get on the plane, I assume the timezone of where I'm going so that I don't actually have jetlag. And so like, if where are we, when we get on the plane, it's 11pm at night, our time and but it is like eight in the morning. Y'all if you hear dog stuff going on, these are not our dogs. And so just we're gonna leave it in because I gotta keep going. But the the I assume the timezone of where we're going so it's 8am there, I literally won't go to bed, Brad does. I like I stay up on like, it's the breakfast time I'm gonna have, I'll have coffee right now.Brad Crowell  No. What I do is I sleep on the plane. Like if it's I'll try to assume the timezone on the plane still. So that way I can sleep for six hours before we get off the plane to 8am. (Lesley: Yeah.) And then I'm not like dead tired.Lesley Logan  But my point is on that first leg, I assume it from that point on and so yes, that might mean that I'm like a little like bleary eyed and like watching a lot of movies. But then when it's like nighttime there I sleep on the plane on that time so that when we wait, we land, it's like, "Hey, I've been in this time for this whole time." And so I think you're, I think the, I think we put too much pressure like be build up the international travel be more than it is. It is like dealing. It's mostly like sitting on a long bus with great movies, and then standing in line ...Brad Crowell  Yeah, great movies and they serve you food and their are drinks, come on. Lesley Logan  And then you stand in a weird line and people stamp a couple things and then you're there and then you're there. So come it's not that hard to get to Cambodia. It's not that hard to do international travel. It just feels weird the first time and then you get really used to it and then any flight under 12 hours feels like a breeze.Brad Crowell  Yeah, if you actually want to join us, you can just go to lesleylogan.co/retreat.Lesley Logan  Okay, let's talk about Coach Lee.Brad Crowell  Okay, now let's talk about Coach Lee Hopkins. As a man who spent his entire life seeking connection and friendships Coach Lee has made, has made it his life's mission, to help people feel more in tune with themselves so that they can connect easier with others. He leans in his experience as a trans man to help people change past patterns to live their truth and form meaningful relationships.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I really, I really had a lot of fun as we said earlier in this episode. I had so much fun. I, Coach Lee, I hope that like we get to meet in real life. I hope we get to be friends. (Brad: Yeah) I hope that's not our last time having a conversation. It was just so fun to hear their journey. So one thing I love that they said was, how you allow rejection to grow you. So basically like, there was a lot of rejection in Coach Lee's life like, (Brad: Yeah) abundance amount of rejection. But instead of letting that like just live a lonely life of rejection, they actually figured out, he figured out like, what is this saying, and where am I going and what am I learning from this and it actually helped him grow and now he's doing this whole thing as a coach where he's really using that rejection to to change the trajectory of their path, and it's really, really cool. And it was a ... if you didn't listen to that part, you must listen to that part because it's so good. It's like it's just the best. So we've talked about the book before about rejection read ... I've talked about, we've talked about this before. So we've talked about Rejection Proof the book before, whose, by the way, the update on that author being on the pod, I got rejected. But it's not, it's not, it's not it never. It's just not right now. Anyways, I really, if you have a fear of rejection, I want you to do a rejection challenge. Brad actually has a course on 200 Noes if you need help with that. But it is, the more we can, you're going to be rejected more than you're not period. (Brad: Yeah) So the more you can actually excuse rejection to help you grow towards who you want to become in this world, the better. And I think Coach Lee is an example of that. So, I love that part.Brad Crowell  Yeah, really. It's very much a part of life. Right. Rejection, we all know this. And his story was not just that he was being rejected. But he figured out why he was being rejected, which leads to... What I really liked to what he said, is that hiding your truth will keep you stagnant. And he was very much being rejected, because he was hiding his identity, hiding who he was, and, you know, as a trans man. And I think that was, I really connected with that, because I remember when I was going through my divorce, for the better part of a year, I didn't tell anyone, I didn't tell anybody. Like, it took me a long time to even tell my closest friends who knew something was clearly wrong. They're like, "What the hell man? Like, you're not you right now what's going on?" You know, and I was I was unwilling to share. I was hiding this and after I shared with them, they were very supportive and encouraging. But I still hid it from anyone else. I didn't tell my colleagues, I didn't, you know, I certainly wouldn't talk about it to, you know, random people, when I was walking around doing whatever, I would just avoid that. And the reality is, it was helping, sorry, it was exacerbating this guilt that I had, hiding. When I was hiding this, you know, what was happening to me? I was actually, like, in my mind, that was making it more of a monster than actually even was. And I think that we, we do that to ourselves without realizing it, (Lesley: Yeah) you know, as you begin to embrace the, the reality of these, you know, of who you are and what's happening in your life. Whether that is, you know, you actually being becoming yourself, your true self. Like, like Coach Lee has, or, in my case, hiding, you know hiding something that was so profound in my life, like getting a divorce from, from someone who was part of everything that I was doing in life, it will affect you, when you hide that stuff. By then you when you start to embrace it, and work through that in your own head, it changes the story that you're telling yourself, it changes the story that you're telling others, it changes the way others perceive you. Instead of going, something's wrong with Brad, they, they can instead go like because even if they don't know me, and they don't know that they're gonna pick up on something, (Lesley: Yeah) something's weird.Lesley Logan  People are gonna, people people and also they people want to help you. Coach Lee ...Brad Crowell  I'm not being genuine either.Lesley Logan  No. But ... (Brad: You know when I'm hiding ...) Exactly. And that's and gonna people go, what's going on there. But also Coach Lee's friend is like, trying to give actual advice to make them feel better about their situation, but because they don't know the full story, the advice for that like, he probably was fucking great advice. But because Coach Lee is like you don't actually know the whole story. Coach Lee isn't even accepting the advice. So even if people (Brad: Right) are trying to be there for you, you're like, you don't know everything. So like it's it actually is keeping you from having real genuine relationships and also being exactly who you are. Like you're, it's affecting too many more compartments in your life rather than like, just you think it's all about you hiding something from other people, but protecting yourself but really, it's it's causing you to be protected from any experience of genuine around you.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I mean, specifically, building relationships, which is what he focuses on. You know, when when it became clear that by being honest and open about who he is, then he had a much different experience, building relationships with people. And I think the same thing was like that for me too, with with when I started to openly, when I stopped hiding the fact that I was getting a divorce, I felt immeasurably better as a person because it didn't have this, you know, dark thing in the closet, that was like eating me from the inside. You know, instead, I didn't need to talk about it. I wasn't trying to air my dirty laundry that's not what I mean. But the fact that I was always hiding and strategically maneuvering a conversation to avoid that specific topic, you know, like, I didn't have to do that anymore. (Lesley: Yeah) And that was like, such a relief. And I think that it came across so much in my personality, and my, you know, again, being genuine and, and it allowed things to be easier. And, you know, (Lesley: Yeah, I hear you.) Yeah, she's better.Lesley Logan  And, by the way, that's your, your version of hiding truth that's keeping you stagnant. If we're not relating, you're hiding your truth to anything that Coach Lee's hiding was. So just in case anyone's like, divorce is not the same as coming out as trans. We understand. (Brad: Yeah, yeah.) But I really think it's important that we share ...Brad Crowell  I don't even think. Yeah, I'm not trying to compare apples to apples there. My point is, if you're hiding something, you know, and that, and that, I think is you... it could be anything. And you know, it could could be anything. So ...Lesley Logan  Yeah. I agree. I concur.Brad Crowell  I concur. All right. Finally, let's talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items, can we take away from your convo with Coach Lee Hopkins?Lesley Logan  You want to jump in?Brad Crowell  I would love to jump in. How do you know I was gonna jump in? (Lesley: I know.) All right, so I kind of was just talking about not not hiding things. But I also think that on the flip side of that is, be you. Be yourself. Right. But in order for you to be yourself, which I think is like a nice thing to say. I always, I never asked that before in this pod. How the hell do you do that? What does that even mean? (Lesley: I know.) Like, you know, so somebody who actually (Lesley: ... yourself and it's like, okay.) Be yourself, whoo, go you, you know, and it's like, okay, I don't know how to do that. I don't even I don't even know who I am. And (Lesley: Yeah) that I think is the root of it. And so in order for you to be yourself, you have to learn about you.Lesley Logan  And that goes into my like, what I freaking loved. Because like some, I've we've had the beginning of the pod people go, learn by yourself, get to know yourself. It's like, "How the fuck do you do that?" Like, "What do you do?" And I couldn't believe how Coach Lee put this this together with a nice little bow. It is called history, hobbies and habits. So you've got to know your history, you got to know your history, you have to understand what your hobbies are, and what your habits are, because then you know who you are. And then when you can, when you go out to meet other people, you can recognize similar history, similar hobbies, similar habits, or you can go, "Ooh, actually, that habit and my habit, they don't go together. They're like oil and water." So it's like you can actually connect with people on a much better level. When you know your history, your hobbies, your habits, and that might take some time of you actually going, "What do I do all day? What do I like to do?" And you know, if you've listened this podcast, I'm on a hobby hunt. I'm still on it. I'm still still on this hobby hunt.Brad Crowell  Well, one of the things that I wanted to, just take it back to learning about yourself, and the history, hobbies and habits is a great thing to just write all that stuff out, but so that you can see it and it will allow you. Obviously, Lesley and I talked about our dating story where we, we took a test called Strengths Finders. And that was incredibly revealing, as I've previously shared, but it actually helped me define me. And that was like, that was the first time I really ever done that other than me saying, "I'm a musician," because that was how I personally defined myself. But I didn't know, I didn't know me very well. And what Strengths Finders did was it gave me the tools. It gave me the language to describe myself in a way that I connected with finally and went, "Oh, yeah, I'm really good at these things." You know, and then another thing that I've been thinking about a lot and I was talking about this the other day is, we live in the attention economy. (Lesley: Yeah) Okay. You know, we think that dollars is where the that's the economy. Well, online, it's all about attention, eyeballs, ear balls, you know, like listening, watching, typing, participating is all about attention. And what I've noticed about myself is that I've been so infatuated with the idea of consuming information and learning. And you know, like, whether it's a podcast or an audio book or watching TV or you know, missing another Netflix show of which there's eight gazillion, how are you ever going to watch them all? What I'm, what I realized is that I actually, I never leave time for me to be alone with me. And I've been thinking about this, because I remember back in, maybe not in middle school, in middle school I was like a dark brooding teenager, and, you know, the world hates me. But in high school, I actually used to revel in being peculiar, it was very much part of my, the way I saw myself, but part of what I would do is I would disappear. I would just like, I would be unavailable to anyone for like an hour, and what I would do is I would go on a walk, and I would just sit down, like under a tree somewhere, and I would just be under the tree. And I, I remember that I used to do this all the time. You know, and I used to write in a journal, and I used to think, and reflect, sometimes I'd pull out my homework or read a book, but I would, I would set aside time for me. And I don't do that anymore. You know, and because I'm always listening to a podcast, or, you know, the news, or, or whatever. So, when you're looking back at yourself, and you're learning about yourself, you actually have to dedicate time to get to know you and to identify who you are.Lesley Logan  And it might take more than an afternoon of writing down your history, hobbies and habits. And it might take a couple of weeks reflecting on the history you wrote down, and why you wrote those parts down and the hobbies and like, why do you like these hobbies? Like, do you still do these hobbies and the habits and like, which of those habits do you love? And which of those habits do you want to change? Which habits do you aspire to have? And so, you know, it's like, you get to, it's gonna take, (Brad: It's a journey.) it's gonna take you longer than after this episode, like, you're just just and it's ... (Brad: Which is okay.) And that's okay and in fact, like being it till you see it isn't like, you turn a light switch on and like, boom, you're it, you did it. It's like, it's like, you just, you just keep going. You just keep going. So how are you going to use these tips in your life? Tag the be_it_pod, tag Coach Lee, let us know. I know it'll make his day to see what your takeaways were from his podcast. Actually, Michael Unbroken sent me a DM that one of you listeners sent to him, because you listened to this podcast and how this podcast affected somebody in your life. And so yeah, share it with someone, it could change their life. And it's important that we do that for people because maybe they don't come across these things and they need them in their life to go over how to get to know themselves. So tag us at the @be_it_pod and Coach Lee and let us know. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell  Bye for now.Lesley Logan  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. 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The road isn't straight and we know it. But how often do we allow the bends to become a barrier to reaching the destination? Recapping Maggie Daniels interview, listen in to Brad and Lesley's take on taking ownership, overcoming obstacles, and how we all get to be creative in this world.  If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Is a Mat Certification worth it? Keep going to reach the destination Don't let the treacherous drive take you away from the destinationthe footsteps add up to the journey We are here to be creativeThe various easy to be creative Taking ownership and overcoming obstacles Episode References/Links:Lesley's eBook Everything But The ExercisesCheck out eLevate mentorship program  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world. And the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity. And it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and be it till you see it. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the intriguing convo I have with Maggie Daniels in our last episode. If you haven't yet, listen to that interview. Feel free to pause this now. Go back and listen to that one. And then come back and join us on this one. And I promise I'll stop hitting the table and my microphone and I'm just going to professional as 121 episodes I will...Brad Crowell  Sorry for anyone watching on YouTube.Lesley Logan  Oh my God. You guys, just so you know. 121 episodes in and I'm still hitting this damn table. (Brad laughs) I think it's a table. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell   Yeah. Definitely the table's fault. Yeah, yeah. You know. (Lesley: Well, here ...) If the table was chiseled. Maybe it wouldn't be.Lesley Logan  That's a different kind of chisel. That's what an s and not a z. Learn something new every day. Anyways, y'all it is the end of July. If you're listening to this in real time. (Brad: Yeah.) And my goodness, this summer is flying by but ...Brad Crowell  How crazy? I don't even understand. It is ...Lesley Logan  But June was the longest and the shortest month of my life. I feel like, it was we went to five different states in that 30 days. We were home ... (Brad: five holy cow) Yeah, count them. And then we and then we went to you know, and then we're home for only like 13 days, we had family in town for my Dad's 70th birthday. We had friends in town to go see Sting, then we had a film, it was chaos. And I'll get to a little bit of this trip down when I talk about my talking points. But now that we're in the end of July, you're like, "Lesley, it's July." I know where the end of July but June was that big. I think a whole month to recover. But we are going to accept applications in just a few days for my mentorship.Brad Crowell  I know.Lesley Logan  I can't believe we're doing it again. (Brad: I also...) I'm so excited.Brad Crowell  I love that there's an application processes this time through the ... (Lesley: Brad like the processes system.) Well, there's a there's a lot of interest and it's hard to choose.Lesley Logan  That's true. I think at this point, there's almost 200 people on the waiting list. So don't let that stop you, if you have not put yourself on the waitlist and you're like, (Brad: Do not let that stop you.) "Oh my goodness, she'll, I'll never get picked." Well you won't get picked if you don't apply.Brad Crowell  That's very true.Lesley Logan  That's literally how it goes.Brad Crowell  Yeah.Lesley Logan  So put your put your hat in the ring. So first like to get on the waitlist at lesleylogan.coBrad Crowell  Do they even know what this is, (Lesley: Oh) what it's for? (Lesley: What if you tell them?) Yeah, Let's (Lesley: That's great.) probably tell them.Lesley Logan  Well, just in case you aren't following my every step and move. (Lesley laughs) So my mentorship program I started it, I guess it kicked off in 2021. (Brad: Mentorship in what?) Pilates. (Brad: Yes) So this is a Pilates exercise mentorship. This is not our business mentorship. (Brad: Correct) Brad is actually not involved in eLevate at all. (Brad: No. Nope.) He couldn't teach you anything. He couldn't stand in for me. This is you get me for nine months. (Brad: Yes.) And um, so anyway, so many teachers have been asking me to teach them, the way that I teach. And, you know, we do little workshops here and there. And then I was traveling. And now I'm not doing the traveling thing that much to teach people how to teach Pilates. So I thought it's a much better and more fun to do a little mentorship. Because then I get to have you for nine months. And I get to take you from the mat to the accessories, all the equipment in between. And you get to be part of a family like truly they call themselves a family - The Elevators. They are not ...Brad Crowell  Is that what they call themselves?Lesley Logan  They call themselves - Elevators.Brad Crowell  That's pretty adorable.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I know. So eLevate, it, I chose that because I truly at the end of the nine months want you to feel elevated in your practice, in your teaching and your connection to the method. Doesn't matter who trained you before. And also doesn't matter if you own any equipment, you just have to have access to a Mat, a Reformer, a Wunda Chair and a Cadillac. And the other stuff we will go over if you don't have access to it, that's a bummer. But some people will rent from other people. Some people will rent space in the studio. (Brad: Sure) Some people have gone to other elevators homes, because they live close enough to make it (Brad: That's true.) worth it. So so I really wanted to make it as accessible as possible.Brad Crowell  Who is it for?Lesley Logan  If you are a teacher already, and you've gone through a comprehensive training program. (Brad: Okay.) So that doesn't mean ...Brad Crowell  That's the only requirement?Lesley Logan  Yeah. Well, I mean, you have to apply.Brad Crowell  Well, yeah, you have to apply. The idea here is is this is for those who have begun teaching.Lesley Logan  Yeah. If you've already been teaching, I don't have any rules on how many years you've been teaching. I know a lot of mentorship programs have that I don't have that a lot of mentorship programs have rules on how many times you've taken from me. I don't have that. You, if, as long as you like this voice, (Brad laughs) this space and my opinions, you are welcome to apply. But I do ...Brad Crowell  I think we can validate you a little bit more. (Lesley laughs) For those of you who do not know, Lesley was, she studied with a guy who actually studied with with Joseph Pilates, right. So she's like, quote, unquote, "second generation teacher," meaning she studied with Joseph Pilates direct student. And she's been studying with him for a very long time. And, you know, the things that he passes on, are what he remembers from working with Joe. (Lesley: Yeah) And so Lesley has a unique perspective. And I think also one of the major things that having written all the marketing copy for such a program, you know that I can't teach to the program, the biggest thing, the biggest takeaway from my side of things is, you will learn how to connect all of the pieces of equipment.Lesley Logan  Yeah, and that's something so I was a teacher trainer for six years for another company. And and I have also been teaching teachers from all over the world from tons of training brack... backgrounds. And the consistent thing I see, no matter which camp you are trained by, is that people see each piece of equipment as a separate thing. (Brad: Right) They see each exercise as a separate thing. And what I learned with Jay and all the people who worked with Jay, Sandy, and Karen and Ken, and Deena, all of them is there's one exercise. So my goal is to help you see how you can weave this in. And it's never like, "Oh, my client can't do this, this or this," or "I can't do this, this or this." It's like what is possible and actually being able to be free of programming, you will have to while you're going through the program, learn but you'll also learn how to ditch that and just let your eyes and your teaching gut tell you what this person needs next. And so it really does give you freedom and permission (Brad: Yeah) to be curious, and to have a collaboration in your teaching. And it's, it's it's so much fun.Brad Crowell  It's, I mean, I again, as an outsider, I get to hop on these calls briefly poke my head and and wave and it is just enthusiasm and excitement, (Lesley: Yeah) every call. And you know, we've got people from all over the world. And they you know, I mean, I was on a call with one of them. And she said, I found my best friend that I didn't know, I didn't have, (Lesley: Yeah, yeah.) you know, inside of of eLevate. (Lesley: Yeah) So cool.Lesley Logan  It's so cool. So anyways, lesleylogan.co, so c o /elevate is where you go to put yourself on the waitlist, and then you'll be offered the opportunity to apply. (Brad: Yes) We're taking applications for 10 days. So even if you hear this on August 3, you can still do it. Alright. It's not a long ...Brad Crowell  Or if you're listening to this afterwards. And this sounds like something that will be up your alley, we are going to run it again. So you know, just get yourself on the waitlist, (Lesley: Yeah) and you'll be the first to know, we aren't really pushing this publicly. It's really going to be going out only to those on the waitlist.Lesley Logan  Yeah, cuz we're only going to take 12 people (Brad: Yeah) this round. And what is the next round? People gonna ask. I don't know. Probably probably, what is next year 2023? (Brad: Yeah) I don't know. It could be 2024. So like, (Brad: Right) don't wait, and (Brad: Don't wait. Yeah.) until next time. And you know, like put your application in. The worst case is I say, "Hey, you're on the waitlist for the next round." Like, I might just do that. I may just put people on the. "Okay. You're on the next round." (Brad: Sure.) I don't know. (Brad: Yeah) We'll find out. But anyways, I'm really excited about it. It's one of the my favorite things that I get to do in this business is spend time with these people. And really watch their confidence grow. (Brad: Yeah) And their and I, they don't know, but I'm like watching their bodies change each and every assessment from the person teaching them and I'm like, "Woah, they couldn't do that last time!" It's so fun. So anyways, that's, that's what I'm excited about. That's what's happening. What is our question this week?Brad Crowell  Yeah, actually, it's the exact opposite. (Lesley laughs) So we had a question from from someone through Instagram on the @be_it_pod, asking, "Is it a waste of time to get only a Mat certification?"Lesley Logan  I love this question. So first of all, to the person who asked it, thank you so much for asking me. Because you're gonna get the most honest answer, I think. I don't know, I'm really biased. But here's the deal. This is, here's the deal ...Brad Crowell  You will definitely get an honest answer, that's for sure.Lesley Logan  I'm gonna be honest. And it's gonna and I'm really proud of it. So here's the deal, if you actually get my book Profitable Pilates: Everything But The Exercises, the e-books on our site. I don't know, they may even let you buy a signed copy on the site, but you can get on Amazon. If you buy that I go through like how to pick a program. And I actually don't mind people only getting a Mat certified in the beginning. Here's what I'm going to tell you because it happened to me. You're gonna want the full training. So ...Brad Crowell  Well, let's just start off briefly with why like, okay...Lesley Logan  Why wouldn't you?Brad Crowell  No, the so okay, the book is really, really, really helpful for people who are trying to choose a program. In the book, she covers this whole conversation of getting the Mat, getting these other things, how to choose a program, because there there are many different programs out there and some of them may be perfect for you and others maybe not. (Lesley: Yeah) And the questions that Lesley goes through in the book will help you discern which program you may want to go (Lesley: Yeah) get a certification from. So (Lesley: And also ...) you can find that a profitable pilates.com/ebook. (Lesley: Yeah) Okay. But ...Lesley Logan  You can also, you can also get a beautiful paperback copy.Brad Crowell  Yeah, just to yes, you can. And I'm not even worried about that. Because the question actually is, is it a waste of time to get only a Mat certification? (Lesley: So it's not.) It's not always the time.Lesley Logan  No, but here's what I'm going to tell you. You're gonna want, you're gonna eventually want to get a full training. And so what I would recommend, you'll see this in the book in more detail is that you want to find a training program that that offers a Mat only. And then a comprehensive, because what I don't want is you to get Mat trained by someone and then you're like, "Gosh, I want to get comprehensive." And they're like, "Too bad. I don't offer that here. Or we only offer then... like the reformer only."Brad Crowell  Or the comprehensive that you do want to go take won't take you because you didn't do Mat with them. (Lesley: Yeah. So ...) There's like so many possibilities. So there's a lot of, there's a lot of thinking to do before you make that decision.Lesley Logan  Yeah. So please make sure if you're going to just start off with a Mat only that you go through a program that does have a comprehensive later. (Brad: Yeah) So that you are setting yourself up for the next step, whenever that is for you.Brad Crowell  And also too, if you're like not sure if teaching is your jam, getting Mat certified is a great way to figure that out. Because it's less of a commitment, you're not doing a 600 hour comprehensive thing that is going to take you you know, a year, you can probably get certified in a matter of months. (Lesley: Yup) And then you can actually take some clients and then decide like ... (Lesley: Yeah) because if you don't, maybe you don't need all the rest of that stuff.Lesley Logan  Yeah. And then well, I would I will tell you also, just because I think it's, again, honesty is my policy. When it becomes when you're only Mat trained, then obviously all you can do is teach on the Mat, and very few studios will hire you (Brad: Right) except for for group fitness. And then you are going to be looking at a Swiss cheese schedule, (Brad: Yes) meaning there's, there's not a gym out there that's putting like three back to back Mat classes, they're gonna put one and that's going to be in between some sort of hitt and some sort of spin class. And so as long as that works for you, like you only actually want to teach one hour a day on the weekend, great, that's amazing. Maybe you want your YMCA membership for free, that's going to be up your alley, it's gonna be perfect for you. But if you are really wanting to make this another income stream, eventually I'm gonna say you're going to need to get comprehensively certified so that you can actually teach on the other side of that class. So yeah, it's not a waste of time.Brad Crowell  Not a waste of time.Lesley Logan  I love that question. Thank you for asking.Brad Crowell  Okay, now let's talk about Maggie Daniels. (Lesley: Maggie Daniels) Maggie is a poet, a writer and a director. And she uses poetry for micro moments of emotion, to process what she's feeling. Her screenplays are a deep dive into her psyche as she tells the story of raw human emotion. She battles dyslexia. She learned the power of the word 'no', and has written a book that is now available through Barnes and Noble. (Lesley: I know how freaking cool.) Pretty darn cool. And she also shares a little bit of her story about what she writes about and why she writes and growing up. So it was a really interesting conversation. And also, what I loved about it was her frankness, like, you know, and like she just has no fucks to give. (Lesley: No) I loved it. I thought (Lesley: Yeah) it was really great.Lesley Logan  She was she was so awesome. I don't I was like a sweet can sound condescending, but like she's sweet. She was just, like, even in her ...Brad Crowell  Yes ... for real like (Lesley: real) you know.Lesley Logan  She's real sweet.Brad Crowell  She's real sweet. (Brad and Lesley laughs)Lesley Logan  Anyways, well, I I loved that she said, keep going and you'll get to your destination and I I love this with a love hate relationship because it is so freakin true. And so so for example, we went camping at the beginning of this month, and it's a thre... when we looked it up five months before and we're like, "Yeah, we'll go camping with with our friends." We're like, "Yes," three hours away. Done deal. Like ... (Brad: Yeah. No problem.) After after driving 15 hours to Colorado. (Brad: Yeah.) Three hours ... (Brad: It was three hours.) It's a breeze. Anyways, for us, it took us four and a half hours to get there. We (Brad: Yeah) hit this traffic jam. It went down to one lane. And it was four and a half hours. And we were, we were fresh. We almost pulled off. And ...Brad Crowell  Yeah. I was like, (Lesley: find a gas stattion) Yeah, no, I mean, I was gonna just sleep on the side of the freeway like people were going five miles an hour for an hour and a half. (Lesley: Yeah, it was exhausting.) I was like, yeah, I was ... Suddenly I was tired and I was like, how ... I shouldn't be tired right now, but I'm just like, mind numbing, you know?Lesley Logan  Yeah. So he, like you pulled off to get some gas and you're like, "I think we're just gonna sleep here." And I was like, "That's fine." And then you got a second wind and we left and we got there. And (Brad: Yeah) we got there in four and a half hours. Our friends left at 2pm, it took them eight hours to get there. And but here's the deal, it took them 8, it takes took us four and a half, it didn't take anyone three. But once we were there, we were at we like we didn't let that exhausting, treacherous drive. Take us away from being at the destination. (Brad: Yeah) We fully like we slept in, we like, pulled out early drinks and like had a good time at Panguitch like and it was amazing. And ...Brad Crowell  We were in Utah and Panguitch Lake.Lesley Logan  And it would have been so easy to turn around for them. They had babies in the back for us, (Brad: Yeah) it had been so easy to, even let that just ruin the trip. Just like let that be the thing that the first whole day is about. (Brad: Yeah) And whatever it is that you're wanting to do, maybe you want to go like our question asker wants to go through a training, maybe you're finishing a training, maybe you are thinking about going to school, or maybe you're wanting to write a book, whatever. Just you have to keep putting one foot in front of the other, because they all add up. And they all get you there if you just keep going. But if you turn around, if you if you go, "You know what? Like, this is I'm quitting." Like, you're just not, you're not gonna get there. Like you're not going to be like rock in to the place.Brad Crowell  Well, we talked about at the beginning. Like, if you don't apply, you definitely won't be involved in Lesley's program.Lesley Logan  Right. Same, same. Well, and not exactly. And also, like, there's a difference, I just also want to say it's okay to do a pause or a detour. Those are different than quitting (Brad: Sure) or not even starting. Okay. So like Clare, you know, our slingshot friend has done some recaps with us. She's put some books down, and then pick them back up. Kellee Forkenbrock, who was also on the pod, she put a book down for three years, and she's picking it back up. Those things are very different than like, "I'm done. This isn't working. I'm quitting." If you really do believe in the thing, keep going, even if it's just like one mile an hour.Brad Crowell  Yeah. Well, we're going to talk a little bit about more about that later. (Lesley: Okay ...) But ...Lesley Logan  We'll get there. (Lesley laughs) What did you love?Brad Crowell  We're gonna put, we're gonna put one mile in front of the other here. I loved, she said something very early on in the interview that really struck me. She said, I think you asked her, like, "Why do you write or how did how did you get started writing?" And she said, "I feel like we are here (meaning on this earth) to be creative, not to work and pay bills and die." And I was like, "Oh, that's a perspective right there." I love that, you know, because if, you know, like, I think it's funny, we can get lost in that, we just get lost in the routine and the monotony. And we spice it up by like, choosing a different TV show. You know, and like, that's it. And like, you know, we just like bang out a shitty day and then come home and drink a beer and enjoy a show. And that's like, nice, but if that's like, is that it, is that the extent of life. And I love this perspective of like, I feel like we are here to be creative, not to just work, pay bills and die.Lesley Logan  Well, I also like, I just think back to some of the family members that I had in my life. And like my grandfather, for example, when you met him, he's like, "I'm just waiting to die." Like, (Brad: Yes) that's what are you doing, just waiting to die. And what frustrates me so much about that is he was a super talented, like, an architect's the wrong word, because he didn't go to school for that. But whatever you call, drafting. Right.Brad Crowell  Mechanical drawing. (Lesley: Yeah) And yeah.Lesley Logan  He was brilliant, and so smart, and so untapped. And it's not because he like was just like I'm just gonna... He didn't, he wasn't given the opportunity or encouraged to my knowledge, nor did he give himself that permission to be creative. No, my grandmother was very creative in that household. So creativity was around, but he didn't give himself that permission as an adult. And I think that's what why wouldn't you want to die, I don't know, but like, there's nothing exciting to live for. And I don't know, this is very dark, but I just ...Brad Crowell  Well, I was actually not taking it quite that, that down that road. For me, we've I was thinking more about The Artist's Way. (Lesley: Oh, yeah.) And Lesley and I just finished a course it was a three month course, led by a incredible woman here in Las Vegas named Sharon Gainsbourg. She's a sculptor and she works with stone. And she's 80, 79, 80? (Lesley: No, she's in her 80s.) She's in her 80s. She's she's seen a lot of life, and she she has no fucks to give either. (Lesley: She's also, still making art.) Still. Oh yeah. She owns a studio and she teaches classes and she teaches this book The Artist's Way and It's she's willing to challenge, you know, people. And I know, I noticed you're wearing a great shirt that says women against bullshit. (Lesley: Yes) And she's willing to challenge your bullshit. (Lesley: Yes) Because when you, you know, when you go through this course, it's a 12 week course, about jump starting your creativity of which all of us have (Lesley: Yeah) creativity in us, it's just that we've probably, like suppressed it somehow, whether that's from, you know, childhood, or maybe we had a tragic, you know, like letdown after some, you know, event in our life, and we just kind of stopped whatever it might be. That was our creative outlet. And this book is a process of working through your self, through your mind, through those mental blocks to allow that creativity to flow. And when, when Maggie said, "I feel like we're all here to be creative, not to just work, pay bills and die." I thought, how how, like, that's so connected to this book that we just did. (Lesley: Yeah) And it but I think it's such a unique perspective.Lesley Logan  Well, and also like, give yourself permission to be creative. (Brad: Yeah) Like, like, I really hope that that's what if what she said does for you, because otherwise, it's just such a boring life the other way around? I don't know. Anyways, I've loved it. I love her. I love that whole thing. And I hope we're all, I hope we're all more creative.Brad Crowell  Yeah. I thought you keep going. Oh, we're all more creative. Me too. (Lesley laughs) Well, well, I think but you know, what is creativity? Right. And I think, having come from music, and the, the story that I was telling myself is that I'm an artist, I'm creative. So I have to do it with music. Right? The the idea that the only way to be creative is with, you know, writing a book or writing a song or painting or painting, whatever. That's not, that's not it either. Like, like, you could be creative with spreadsheets. (Lesley: Yeah) You know, that's like, it sounds counterintuitive. But you can, you can be creative with cooking. You could be creative with decorating, you could be creative with ... (Lesley: in landscaping) Yeah, landscaping, you could be creative with dog training. I mean, there's so many different ways that you can be creative. And so ...Lesley Logan  You can be creative with how you clean your house. You could be (Brad: Yeah) you could like turn on the music, and maybe you dance while you're cleaning it up. Like I think we limit ourselves to it must have, creativity must be sold at the blink art store, or whatever art store.Brad Crowell  Right. Yeah, or it's Michaels. Right.Lesley Logan  Michael. Whatever Joann's Fabrics near you, whatever. And the truth is, first of all, I went into those stores and they are not built the way they used to be. And it's not fun. It's very commercialized, and I'm really sad about it. So but you can be creative in what you're creative about. (Brad: Yeah, yeah.) Is that too meta? Is that weird? (Brad: I think, I think.) (Lesley laughs) Did I use the word and then just ...Brad Crowell  You did it fine creativity (Lesley: with creativity) with the word. Yeah, that's okay. We still love you.Lesley Logan  That's true. Everyone still does. Well, anyways, I want to know how you're gonna be creative with anything that you have to do, because I think it I actually think we need those juices flowing. They're kind of hard to stop.Brad Crowell  Yeah, yeah. And it feels good too. All right. So let's finally talk about those BE IT action items that you went through with Maggie Daniels. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items, can we take away from your conversation? I'm gonna jump at first. And I loved that. She said at the end microdose your tasks. Again, we kind of covered this at the beginning about like, continuing to move forward. But she looked at it and said, when something seems very intimidating to you, or overwhelming or you're tired, or any of those things, especially when, for her, she was talking about writing. And obviously, at the time writing wasn't her gig. It wasn't what she was doing all the time. She was focused on these other things. So how did she actually write a book? How does she write a screenplay, which took her 10 years to write the screenplay? Right? She said she microdoses her tasks, right? And she encouraged all of us to do the same. So it's, it's effectively working backwards from seeing that bigger picture, and then breaking it down into tangible action items that you can actually accomplish on a day to day basis. And even if it's only getting one or two things down towards the thing, you know, towards the goal. It's, I just love those she said microdosing because it made me think of like, psilocybin mushrooms and all the, I was like, "What a way to use that word? I I've never heard anybody talk about micro dosing your tasks."Lesley Logan  Yeah, but it made me think of like Jillian Flodstrom said about, like everything should break down every single thing to at last like it gets you can get it done in two minutes. So every anything that's on your to-do list if it if it's gonna take more than two minutes you need to break it down smaller because we all have two minutes. (Brad: Yeah) And so then when like someone's late to a Zoom call you have like something you can do in two minutes (Brad: Sure) while you're waiting. (Brad: Yeah) And so it allows you to actually move the needle forward, and keep going. You'll get to the destination, right, if it's more of a smaller dose to task. (Brad: Yeah) Anyways, I'm going to just start using that word. I'm micro dosing today. (Brad: I love it.) People are gonna go, "What is she doing?" (Brad laughs)Brad Crowell  Well, what about you?Lesley Logan  Well, I she also she talked about find your people for the day, she need a little extra push. And you and I love this so much. We have those people, I have them. First of all on if you are using an iPhone, sorry Android users, I have no idea how you do this. But on an iPhone, you can put like your top is like six people like you can have like a (Brad: I think you put 9.) 9, yeah on your ... (Brad: on a text.) you have been texting. So over on your, I should tell you where this is like all going. (Brad: Yeah) On your text, you can like have these little like favorites, but you are always texting. And so I don't actually text those people every day or even every week. But the people that are my top six, I don't know, I can have nine, I'm gonna add a couple more. (Brad: Sure) They are the people that I want to be able to go to when I need an extra push. (Brad: Yeah) I hope I'm on their top nine, or six or whatever it is. But I feel like it's my space.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I was just thinking and this is like top 5.Lesley Logan  And it's not like that they're like, it's just that I know, if I text them, "Oh my gosh, today, I've got this going on." I know, I don't have to explain myself, if I don't have time for it. I know that I'm not going to get a phone call. They're just going to send me, "Hey thinking of you. You got this," whatever. And they do and (Brad: Yeah) they do even when I'm not even asking for it. And so what I would just say is like, if you don't have these people yet, first of all, just see if anyone in your contact is someone you'd want one of those people to be because some of those people that are my top now, they were people that I would be like, "Oh, can I can I text them? I don't know if I can text them?" You know what I did? I just texted them. And then they text back. And it's like dating, and then you make them a thing. So if you don't have them, go through your contacts and just see like, who have these people what I want. And if you don't have that, then ask yourself like a... Like where were you when you met someone who just like hit it off? You kicked it off, like, kick off a conversation, invite them to coffee. Yes, it's gonna be awkward. It's gonna be weird. It's hard to make friends when they're not in school anymore. But when you have those people and you tell them who they are, (dog noise) (Brad: Yeah) you have to tell them who they are. Then you you have them and you can just text them and then it can be a two way street. And I just really really love it. I think it's Jim Rohn, who's like really big on like the average of people you're around. And you you really are those people. So find people for the looks to push but find those people that you just want to surround yourself with. So you can continue aspire and grow yourself. Because writing a screenplay for 10 years doesn't happen in a silo, you have to, she had people to encourage her and push her down onto the destination.Brad Crowell  Well, I love it.Lesley Logan  You do? You have anything else?Brad Crowell  No, I was just looking up the Jim Rohn quote.Lesley Logan  Oh, yeah. I always would attribute it to Tim Ferriss. Sorry, Jim, if you're listening to this, but I just heard it on another podcast. And actually, it's Jim Rohn who started it.Brad Crowell  Yeah, R o h n. (Lesley: Yeah ,yeah.) I was just looking it up, because I didn't recognize it as him either.Lesley Logan  Yep. Apparently, he's a really big deal.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I don't know. He's for sure it.Lesley Logan  He's, he's really huge. Someday, we'll have him on here and be like, "Hey, Jim ..." (Brad: Sorry.) Sorry. (Brad laughs) Sorry. But I'm so glad I know you now. Anyways, everyone. I just, I really hope that what Maggie said really helps you find your creativity. Be like own that part. And (Brad: Yeah) and we didn't even talk about it. But like, don't ... she was she's dyslexic y'all. (Brad: Yeah) And she's writing. So whatever yours ...Brad Crowell  How crazy is that? (Lesley: Yeah) Like imagine that being like a major roadblock when in your youth. And then, you know, she figured out how to work your way through it by micro dosing those tasks.Lesley Logan  Yeah. Okay. One more thing before we let you go. So I'm listening to this book again - We Should All Be Millionaires and yes, it will have her on the pod. She is on the wish list. I'm going to have to just like DM her every day until she's like, "Please stop. I'm coming on." But she talks about removing 'but' from our vocabulary so like, like for example. (Brad: But I really like it.) With the double T? (Brad: Just kidding.) You can use គូទ which is Cambodian for butt no one will know. But here's what (but shit.) All right. And here's what it is. When you instead of saying 'but' replace it with 'and'. So in her example, in her book, it is like, I want to buy a house, 'and' I have credit card debt. Instead of 'but' I have credit card debt. (Brad: Sure) So owning the thing. So the reason this came up for me is like Maggie is a writer, and she has dyslexia. (Brad: Right) Not 'but I'm dyslexic.' Do you see the difference? Like, do you hear it like, and it makes a massive difference when ...Brad Crowell  Or you can swap it out to 'despite'.Lesley Logan  Yeah, but I think it's, I think it's about ownership. (Brad: Okay.) I think that it's more it's more about ownership and not letting that thing be an obstacle at all. So 'despite' means, like you still overcame the obstacle, and 'and' it's the same, you know, like, (Brad: It's also there.) It's also there. And I, what I like about it is we it's helping us ditch perfection, everyone. (Brad: Right) And it is allowing us to not be a victim or hold ourselves back from whatever that thing is that you would put 'but' in front of. So you put 'and', you own it, and you're not letting it be the thing that keeps you from doing what you're here on this planet to do.Brad Crowell  Well, I think that is a wrap.Lesley Logan  Yeah. I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan  Thank you so much for joining us today. We are so grateful for you. How are you going to use these tips in your life? We want to know. Tag the @be_it_pod, tag Maggie Daniels. Let us know which ones worked for you, let us know what you're inspired by and send it to a friend. Here's the deal. (Brad: Yeah) By now, because I'd have I can't see into the future but we should be about 50,000 downloads. We didn't get there because of like just me and Brad talking into a microphone. We got there because of you. So every time you share of this pod with a friend, you text a friend, you tag them in our Instagram accounts, you post it to your stories, you are influencing people to change the lives and be it till they see it and we could not be more grateful. So keep doing it. (Brad: Yeah) Because it couldn't get there without you. And we'll catch you in the next episode.Brad Crowell  Bye for now.That's all I got for this episode of the beat until you see a podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the beat pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others be until you see it. 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A big happy birthday to our 40-year old, dad joking co-host, Brad! Join in today's convo to hear Brad and LL's perspective of bringing each of your experiences with you to the next, discovering your strengths and then translating them into other positions in life.  If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Finding your strengths with StrengthFinder 2.0 Surrounding yourself with people who help create and support opportunities for your dreamIgnore the oddsTherapy, it's like laundry. Do it often.Someone is going to do it. Make it be you. Episode References/Links:StrengthsFinder 2.0 If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:25  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the candid convo I had with John Mollura in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened that interview, feel free to pause this now. Go back and listen to that one. And then come back and join us. You know what I saw something? Today, I was trying to listen to a podcast and it had a part two. And I was like, "Ah, I don't want to listen to part two I want to listen to part one." (Brad: Okay) So here's what you do, everyone this is for obviously, just for the one, the one way to listen to podcasts. But on the Apple, you can actually hit the little three dots, the little ellipses on the episode in your listen now. And then you can actually it'll have a bunch of options that go to podcast. And it will take you to all the episodes of that pod. And then you can drop down one below in case your podcast load up like mine, which is the newest one first, which might be the recap and not the original. Just so you know and just a little instruction, the ...Brad Crowell 1:19  I love where you're going with this.Lesley Logan 1:20  Yeah. Anyways, happy birthday, Brad.Brad Crowell 1:23  Hey, thank you. Thank you so much.Lesley Logan 1:26  It took you 40 years to lift this guy. (Brad laughs) Spoiler alert, I tried to order you that shirt and they're sold out.Brad Crowell 1:34  I'm so happy that they're sold out.Lesley Logan 1:37  I think he looks so cute in it.Brad Crowell 1:39  Oh, thanks. (Lesley: Anyways) I do not need that shirt.Lesley Logan 1:41  Brad is 40. (Brad: 40) And all week long, my father has been letting him know.Brad Crowell 1:48  Oh, it mercilessly. (Lesley: Since ...) Every time I go, he goes, "Looks like you're getting close to 40. What's the name of almost 40?" (Lesley and Brad laughs) Lesley Logan 2:00  Yeah, so this year, my mom turned 60, my dad turned 70. Brad turned 40. And the rest of us are going backwards in time. So sucks to be you. No kidding. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 2:09  No. We're going we're also going to jump off a building.Lesley Logan 2:13  Yeah, you keep saying that. So y'all in Vegas, there is this situation on top of the stratosphere. And you pay a lot of money.Brad Crowell 2:25  The Strat is like the second tallest building in town. Maybe the tallest building in town, not even sure.Lesley Logan 2:29  I mean, it was from the 80s. So is it any of those things anymore? Who knows? But the reality is, is you can see it from space. And you can see it from our living room. And you can see people on the little rides. But ... (Brad: No, you could see it from space.) Yeah, that's what my Uber driver said and that you know, they're always correct.Brad Crowell 2:45  It's like the internet. It must be true.Lesley Logan 2:47  Where you should get your information. It's also the same Uber driver who knew what the inside of our house look like before it was remodeled. That was weird. (Brad: Yeah, that was weird.) That was weird. Anyways. Okay. So you're on the stratosphere, and you can pay a lot of money for them. It's not a bungee jump. It's more of like, you're connected to a cable that's ... (Brad: It's like a freefall.) Yeah, it's a freefall, which sounds so scary. And so a person I had dinner with, I was at dinner with Strong Fitness Magazine and somebody there with just did it and he showed me his the video because they put a GoPro on you. And so he was, he fainted at the top. So in the video he is out, he is falling, his out and then when he comes to, he just screams F U to the friend that signed him up, that 's the video. (Brad and Lesley laughs) Anyways, so that's a Brad, my Dad and possibly some other people are gonna do. I want to say I'll do it, but I'm gonna sit and tell you right now I just nothing's gears. I don't want to wet my pants. That is my biggest fear. Like I pee because I'm so scared. (Brad and Lesley laughs) Just coming all the way down. Anyways, happy birthday, Brad. (Brad: Thank you so much.) I love you so much and I'm so happy you're just a tad bit older than me.Brad Crowell 3:58  Somehow, I think I'll be able to maintain that.Lesley Logan 4:01  I love it. I love it so much. Okay, we do have an audience question.Brad Crowell 4:06  We do, which is so fun. And you can wish me a happy birthday or ask an audience question at the @be_it_pod on IG. (Lesley: Yeah, on the gram.) Just shoot us a DM. The question that we had this week was, "What is the quiz you took that told the two of you your strengths?" (Lesley: Yeah. So we ...) We probably alluded to about 4000 times.Lesley Logan 4:29  4000 times (Brad: Yeah) and just enough for people to go, I need to do that and then not know we talked about. So, this is great question. I love this getting this question because I, Brad and I are like obsessed with with the Strength Finders 2.0. So that is the qu... Is that a quiz?It's not really a quiz. It's a test. (Lesley: It's a long time ...) No, it's like 25 minutes, 30 minutes.What is the difference between a quiz and a test, length of time? The score ...Brad Crowell 4:55  That is a great question. (Lesley: The scores and tasks on your brain.) I think that it's a quest. (Lesley laughs)Lesley Logan 5:02  You're such a dad joke hit 40. (Brad laughs) And now, you're a dad joker.Brad Crowell 5:09  That's amazing. I'm proud of my dad joke skills even though I'm, no, I'm not really a dad.Lesley Logan 5:14  Quizzes are shorter than tests, whereas the test may have 50 questions or more, a quiz ... 10 or fewer questions. And by the way, when I was typing, what is the difference between a queue? It was quiz and a test or a quiche and a frittata ... (Brad and Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 5:30  Thank you Google. (Lesley: Thank you Google.) What's the difference between a quiche and a test?Lesley Logan 5:35  Okay, so um, so anyways, it's Strength Finders 2.0. (Brad: Yes) It's a gallup thing.Brad Crowell 5:40  Yeah, gallup, g a l l u p, gallup.Lesley Logan 5:43  You don't have to read the book. Although there is a book that kind of explains why these different strengths matter and how different CEOs have put their strengths together. And we were just out having dinner with Michael Unbroken who was episode 100, something. And he was like, "You guys like Strength Finders 2.0?" We actually talked about why we liked it. So basically, for us, knowing our top strengths kind of allows you to realize like, you are a little bit more able to apply your strengths to different things like you might be thinking, you're really strong in this one job, and you're not sure you can switch over, but when you know your strengths, you know how you can switch it, you can apply those strengths in different roles. So Brad was a musician, but he realized that his strengths, were actually things that a CEO or CEO could use.Brad Crowell 6:29  Yes, Michael was 105.Lesley Logan 6:31  Thank you, 105. Thanks, Google. (Lesley laughs) This episode brought to you by not them. So anyways, um, so that's to me why it's really important for you to know also for us, since we do have people on our team, we, we knowing our strengths allows us to hire people that are not a duplicate of us, because that would be that would be a nightmare for the team if there was too many. Brad Crowell 6:54  Well, I think I think I can honestly say that taking this test, this quest 'changed my life.' Because when I was first took it in 2010. I'd been in Los Angeles for only two and a half years. And I was worried. My concern was, what if I don't become rich and famous from playing music? What am I gonna go do with my life? What do I just like move home? And like, I don't know, work at a bank or something? I don't know where. Because I was like, that's supposed to be where the money is at the bank? (Lesley: If you're gonna say. Oh my God. I don't think so.) I think I would be the best bank teller ever. I would be having a party and everyone would be like, "Dude, just do your job."Lesley Logan 7:37  Yeah, you, therefore the worse. But everyone would love you.Brad Crowell 7:39  Probably, the worst at my job. So anyway, I didn't know I that's the only thing I could imagine for myself. And I was like, I don't know, I don't know what to do if like, I don't sell a million albums. And this quest really helped me ...Lesley Logan 7:54  Just in case you didn't follow the quiz and a test is a quest.Brad Crowell 7:57  quantify, what I was doing in life into a, a skill that I could actually verbalize. For example, I was the guy behind the band, doing all the business stuff, booking the gigs, getting, you know, getting the marketing material together, actually promoting it, going out convincing people to show up, when we get to the venue, we'd be there early, I'd be hauling all the gear inside, it'd be connecting all the microphone cables and all the stuff and then at the end of the show, we would go to the venue and then we'd get paid, right? And it was like a whole, there's all these other things that happen around the band, that don't actually have anything to do with playing. Right. And I was doing ...Lesley Logan 8:43  He did play too, by the way. He said he's the man behind the band, but he's also the man in the band.Brad Crowell 8:47  Yeah, it was in the band, too. But basically, I had to do all these other things. And I didn't really, I never really understood that what I was doing was operations. And so when I took the Strengths Finders quest, what made me realize is that ... (Lesley: I just, can you imagine ...) For those of you who can't see, she's shaking her head.Lesley Logan 9:08  Yeah. Now, look, here's this, they're not like we're not affiliated with them ... (Brad laughs) This is not ... the promo. (Brad: When ...) Though it's not the copy. It's not the copy.Brad Crowell 9:18  It allowed me to tangibly identify what I was doing in a way that I could explain it to someone who isn't doing music, because that anybody else who's doing music, like, of course, you're going to haul the gear from the place to the other thing, of course, you have to rehearse, of course to do all these things. You know, it's just part of the game. But if you're not in a band, you might not really understand that and I certainly was not able to properly connect the dots for what I was doing, potentially being a viable hire at a company somewhere. (Lesley: That was not music like just that you could ...) Right. (Lesley: Yeah) And in fact, I didn't end up like the company that I ended up working for was a startup company and I ended up being the liaison between the CEO, the design team and the dev team because of my communication skills, and one of my top five strengths is communication. (Lesley: Yeah) And so, you know, I never would have understood, "Am I qualified to do this?" Well, maybe I've never done it before. But I can tell you that I'm really good at communicating and listening and understanding what they need. And I can go and I can communicate that to the rest of the team. And so, you know, it was just one of those really revealing moments.Lesley Logan 10:27  I think you all should do it. I think it's so important to know. I mean, there's so many tests out there, they all tell you different things about yourself. But like, even for me, I was I always struggled to understand like, why couldn't just do like, I'm like, "Oh, yeah, that's not I could do that." And I wouldn't like doing it. And so it's one of my strengths is significance. I like have to be do some, that means something, like everything I do, has to be bigger than the task. And it drives me crazy. But I also now understand like, well, that's a strength that I naturally have. (Brad: Yeah) And so no wonder I'm frustrated when the task is just like, kind of not impacting the world. I'm like, this isn't this isn't my strengths wise. So it just helps you make more sense of yourself. So take it and then let us know tag us and your top five. We want to know.Brad Crowell 11:10  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. If you go take this test, this quest because of speaking with us, the you know what, we're gonna put a link in the show notes. If you want to go take this quest, I recommend it. And basically, we want to know what your top five strengths are. So you can you can just ig them to us, ig is IG. (Lesley: Oh my gosh.) So, now really going down. (Lesley: No, no we are not making that a word.) That was a bad one, that was a bad one. (Lesley: No, not and that ... winner.) I can see. That was that was pretty weak. You can just DM, you can DM them to us on the ig. (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 11:43  No! No, no, you got to make one word up. You don't get to make three words up. It's like it's like multiplicity.Brad Crowell 11:51  Hey, it's my birthday. I can make up words.Lesley Logan 11:53  Happy birthday. I think no, I think in the fine print on birthdays, you could make it one word. Anyway ...Brad Crowell 11:59  Anyway, check the show notes. Really, I couldn't recommend it enough, 'Changed my life.' Okay. So ... (Lesley: Okay, let's talk about John.) Now then, let's talk about John Mollura, a travel enthusiast, ex NASA engineer and a lover of photography. John Mollura left the safety net of his government job become a multi award winning luxury portrait photographer, and he now works to empower individuals through portraits. And as a huge proponent of overcoming impostor syndrome to live out your dreams.Lesley Logan 12:30  I have to just share this I won't say who but one person on our team actually messaged us before you listen to this podcast and tell me all the things that she thought about it. And so way to go, John, the team was listening and talking about the pod before the pod was even released. (Brad: Yeah, our team.) Yeah, our team. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, it was a great, he's a great person, and we're gonna all all go to Delaware and get our photos taken. (Brad: Oh) But I wonder if he'll drive out here to hang it because that ...Brad Crowell 13:00  Right, right, right. That'll be impressive, John.Lesley Logan 13:02  Yeah, cuz I would like to see how long it's gonna take ...Brad Crowell 13:04  Yeah and he also have helps out with wardrobe selection. So (Lesley: Yeah) you know, you're welcome to come to Vegas and do those things. That'd be so fucking ... (Lesley: I think you can do that on Zoom.)Lesley Logan 13:13  Anyways, okay. So something I love that he said is surrounding yourself with people who have been where you are. So he was talking about specifically investing in people who have gone through where you are, and listen to their advice and past. (Brad: Yeah) And, of course, I love this because obviously, we are coaches and we coach people, on past we've gone down, and But truly, I think so many people are like, "I gotta pull myself up by my bootstraps. I got to forge my own path. I gotta do it like this." Let me just tell you, it's so much easier if you get someone that you trust to be someone who invest your time and money in because you'll show up as a different person. And you'll actually take the advice. Like, for example, we go around and I have tons of people, friends who like have asked us questions, and we'd like given them a little bit of business advice or two, not a single one of them has applied any of it. And when we see them a year later, they're literally asking, they're be like, "I know, you told me to do blah, blah, blah." And I'm like, "Yeah, a year ago, I charge a lot of money for that advice and you ..." But because they didn't invest in it, they didn't put value on it. (Brad: Sure) And so I just, you don't have to do this these things alone and in almost any industry, except for maybe I don't know something in NASA. Someone has gone on the journey, even if it's not identical, even if it's like yes, I'm I'm a Pilates teacher who does business coaching but ...Brad Crowell 14:31  Even the guy, even even in NASA, (Lesley: Yeah) because he basically got brought under the wing of a guy who was like, "I like this kid. You know, he's somebody I could hang with." And then that became John's mentor.Lesley Logan 14:47  Yeah. So I just, I, I swear to you, every person that I see doing something I want to be doing, they all have a coach, they've all invested, they put themselves (Brad: Yeah) around and also put themselves in groups. So it wasn't just a one on one coach, but into a mastermind with other people (Brad: Sure) support them, hold them accountable, show them that there are opportunities out there that you may not even have dreamed of. And so if you are stuck, if you are not where you want to be, then I say surround yourself with people. Well, he said it and I agree. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 15:19  Yeah, I mean, when you when you are around other people, you're constantly ideating, you're constantly growing, you're learning, you're referring things to each other, because you're all doing 'it', whatever 'it' might be. And, and then when you have a mentor, who's been where you are, that's the, that's like really a part of it is they know how much effort it takes, they know, you know, they, they're not going to sugarcoat it, they are going to be real with you, because they believe in you. And they know that this is something that can be done, probably because they did it already. And you know, there they are, where they were, or they are where you want to be. And so you know, obviously you're going to learn a lot from somebody in that position.Lesley Logan 16:07  Yeah. What did you like?Brad Crowell 16:08  So, clearly, I loved the Star Wars connection. And in fact, there's a whole lot more of a connection. By the way, side, total total side note, I laughed out loud when his wife said, your, your your skin looks the color of a, what did he say, wet ashtray right now? Because he hated his job. And he was just like, down the he was miserable. Right. And she said, she said, I laughed so hard, you know.Lesley Logan 16:38  I heard I heard you laugh out loud. Also, speaking of Star Wars, did I tell you that Jason went to the star... Jason Frazell from another podcast? He went to the Star Wars thing.Brad Crowell 16:49  No, down in Florida. Oh, yeah. (Lesley: Without you.) Everybody do that, without me. (Lesley laughs) Damn it J.Ah, that's okay. You can go with John. I'm sure he will go. I can go with John ... (Lesley: Anyways) So, so he started to talk about the story about the Nat Geo. And how he, when he was younger was like, "Wow, how amazing would it be? If I were to be able to be a National Geographic." And the odds are like, you know, like, microscopic, right? You basically, it's like trying to become a basketball player. Right. There's like one in one of their, like, 400 basketball players in the world or something, or in the US, anyway, and professional, I mean. And that, that's like, basically the odds of getting your, your photo published by Nat Geo. And he said, his hero, one of his heroes was (Lesley: 3% chance of becoming a basketball player.) 3% chance. Okay, (Lesley: Yeah) this seems even smaller.Lesley Logan 17:44  And less than less than 2% for women. SoBrad Crowell 17:46  Han Solo has a famous line in the movie where he says, "Never tell me the odds." And And so John had pinned that above on his board, were like, above the Nat Geo thing, "Never tell me the odds." And he didn't say how many years later. But that was always there in the back of his mind that he's working on it. And he's submitting things and he's doing all the things. And sure enough, they eventually published or included one of his photos and something, which is amazing. It is so incredible, is like the biggest bragging rights of a photographer to have. But, you know, since then, he's really taking that model to heart. You know, don't tell me the odds.Lesley Logan 18:29  I want that a poster on our wall. I can go above our new couch goal that we got.Brad Crowell 18:33  I'm in it. (Lesley: Yeah, I'm in. I'm in.) I'm in on it.Lesley Logan 18:36  I'm in. He's in it.Brad Crowell 18:37  I'm in it people. (Lesley: He's in it.) I'm in the downtown if you ask. (Brad and Lesley laughs)Lesley Logan 18:43  I'm sure there's a couple letters that make Brad in there. (Brad: Oh man.) Anyways ...Brad Crowell 18:48  I love it. So that was a that was I I don't think (Lesley: Well, you know ...) I've never really talked about this, but I almost went to college for photography. (Lesley: Did you really?) Yeah, yeah. (Lesley: I didn't know that about you.) Yeah, it was music or photography, and I ended up doing music.Lesley Logan 19:03  And now you do photography.Brad Crowell 19:05  And now I do ... Well that's because I was I've always been passionate about it. And and Star Wars and but yeah anyway,Lesley Logan 19:13  Well, John (Brad: good times) you know, made me think because my brain just went, "I'm gonna take you on the journey out." He said he's go... he wanted to go to photography in college if it wasn't music and my brain went to on Cambodia. He takes all of our pictures. And then it made me think that like John needs to come to Cambodia to take pictures because Peach could teach him a ...Brad Crowell 19:31  Oh, she could. Oh, yeah, our tour guide is a wizard.Lesley Logan 19:35  A wizard. Home girl knows how to use the iPhone in ways that Apple hasn't even taught us. I'm just gonna call it they've never said this. It's it's amazing.Brad Crowell 19:45  And we're not revealing her secrets. You're gonna have to come with us. (Lesley: You have to come.) Yeah. (Lesley: You have to come.)Lesley Logan 19:50  I do love that quote. I'm gonna keep it and remember it and even though it wasn't a BE IT action item. I think we should all like BE IT action item number one, never go look at the odds because ...Brad Crowell 20:00  Never tell me the odds.Lesley Logan 20:01  Well, because like, I think if every single person listening to this is like thought back about some of their accomplishments. I bet you all have beat me odds in some way or another. Right. (Brad: Sure) ... just so you know, the fact that you exist on this planet is a beat of the odds, because it's like one and 72 million sperm or something like that, that has to hit a particular one of them. Like, it's you beat the odds just by being born. (Brad: That's true.) Yeah. (Brad: This is true.) Anyways, um, but I'm down with it. And we should just like put on a shirt.Brad Crowell 20:33  All right. All right. All right. Finally, let's talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with John Mollura? (Lesley: It's your birthday.) It is my birthday. So I'm take.. I'm jumping in. So he talks about overcoming the negative voices in your head. And I don't think that it was easy for him. And I don't think that it's something that's like 100% of the way either, because he talked a lot about it during the webinar that he did for our Agency members. But he mentioned therapy. And he said, it's one of the it was a really challenging thing for him to embrace. And the reason is, because he's very self sufficient. Right? So and he made this again, hilarious joke of like, "John, you need some help out there." And he's like, "No, no, it's cool. I got I got it's just a little awkward." You know, and, and that's his mentality for approaching everything, "Do it myself. I got this. I don't need any help." And I think that, what he transitioned that into, to therapy and why he went or how hard it was to go get therapy. But when he finally did, how powerful it was for for, you know, his own self talk, and how that began to make changes in the way that he thinks about himself talks, you know, to himself, and then how that's impacted him today.Lesley Logan 22:03  Yeah, I mean, again, therapy, it's like laundry. Do it often.Brad Crowell 22:09  Everybody needs to do it.Lesley Logan 22:10   Everyone needs to do it. Everyone needs to do it. Okay,Brad Crowell 22:14  What about you?Lesley Logan 22:14  I loved this. He said, like, somebody told them, like, "Somebody's going to do it. Why not you?" And I know you could say like, you can say that in many different ways. But the truth is, is like, let's just because the podcast with positivity, "Somebody's gonna do it. Why not you?" Why not you? Because I say this all the time to our and on Profitable Pilates for our business coaching, you are the only person who can do what you do the way that you do it. (Brad: Yeah) You're it because every single one of us has a life experience that is not duplicatable. (Brad: No) Even if you have a twin who did the entire life with you. You still have different personalities, you still have, like you, there's still different things you resonate with. And so I just, I know so many of you are thinking of all these different excuses of why you can't do what you want to do, or why you're not taking the next steps. But or why even you like who are you to do these things. But you're it,you're the only person who can do it. So why not you? And I just I think whenever your negative self talk is saying like, "Oh, no, you can't do it." And go, "Why can't I do it?"Brad Crowell 23:22  Well, I think that also like reading it again, someone's got it. Someone is going to do it. (Lesley: Yeah) You know, so someone's got to do it. But someone is going to do it. So why not you? Right. So and what I think he was talking about was quitting his job and making six figures as a photographer.Lesley Logan 23:22  Yeah, cuz someone's gonna make six figures.Brad Crowell 23:41  Someone's gonna do it. (Lesley: Yeah.) So why not you.Lesley Logan 23:44  Well, there's photographers making seven figures. (Brad: I'm sure, 100%) Yeah. (Brad: Yeah) So why not you? So whatever is keeping you back like, why can't why is it, why is it that you can't be the person?Brad Crowell 23:54  Yeah. You know, and that, and that's like, what he said was that, that stuck with him. It was a offhand comment from somebody that, you know, he knew and, and he said, over the years, he's brought that back (Lesley: Yeah) many times as, as kind of like a, it's almost like a mic drop. You know, like, when, when, when you're in self doubt, like, "Oh, you know, I am not qualified on that, that thing or whatever." And it's like, well, someone's going to do it. Why not you? (Lesley: Yeah.) Yeah.Lesley Logan 24:24  Yeah. Well, with that, mic is dropped. (Brad: Boom) I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 24:29  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 24:30  Thank you so much for joining us today. How are you going to use these tips in your life?Brad Crowell 24:34  These 40 year old tips in your life?Lesley Logan 24:35  Yes, because it took him 40 years to get to quest (Brad: to boom) By the way, we are so freaking grateful for you. (Brad: Yes) We really are. I love, I love that we did make this podcast for you. And I love your DMs. I love the way you share these BE IT action items. I love the screenshots you send me. So keep them coming, keep your questions coming and send us a DM to the @be_it_pod on Instagram and let John and us know what you're going to do with these tips. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell 25:02  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 25:02  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it help us and others BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day! 'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'. Brad Crowell 25:02  It's written produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli. Lesley Logan 25:02  Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing. Brad Crowell 25:02  Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. 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What's your percentage possibility for a positive mindset? Why does it feel so difficult to continually overcome the negativity? LL and Brad break down the conversation with Dr. Philippe Douyon about the power your mind has in overcoming negative thought cycles.  If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:The ideal coffee order The science behind the power of our minds Don't allow the negative thoughts to keep you in a negative cycle The mindset checks and balances are built as safety nets A malleable subconscious Choosing to change your perspective Episode References/Links:Dr. Philippe Douyon podcastsFull body in 15 Challenge  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:01  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast, where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the brainy convo I had with Dr. Philippe Douyon in our ...Brad Crowell 0:53  What convo is that? What kind of convo is that? (Lesley: It's a brainy.) It's a brainy convo.Lesley Logan 0:57  It's a brainy convo. I had a fight for that word, everyone. Brad wanted to call it a neurological convo. So you can tell us your vote in on Instagram. I want, we're gonna poll the audience. I want to know. I want to know.Brad Crowell 1:10  Yeah. Is this a scientific convo or a brainy convo?Lesley Logan 1:14  Brainy convo, I have with Dr. Philippe Douyon in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that episode, go listen to it. Like just go, go listen to it. He's so freakin smart. (Brad: It was great conversation.) He's so smart. And also, like, very freeing. I like, I and I can't wait for us to talk about it later on. But like, one of the things he says is gonna make you realize like, "Oh, that's why it's so frickin difficult." So I just ...Brad Crowell 1:40  Very relatable, too. Like his personal story was very shocking. And also, I felt das for him, you know, like, like, he's got some crazy things that he's personally dealing with. That makes him even more relatable.Lesley Logan 1:56  Yeah, but he (Brad: Yeah) also isn't letting it stop him. Like, dude has a podcast. (Brad: Not letting him ...) He like ... (Brad: Not letting stop. He travels.) He has a course. (Brad: He teaches.) Like, (Brad: Yeah) I mean, just like, I don't, I don't (Brad: fascinating) I didn't know that you could be a doctor and do all of those things at the same time. SoBrad Crowell 2:11  Well, we just decided to bring that part of the convo right up to the top. (Lesley: Yeah. Well, anyways ...) But before we get started. (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 2:19  I had to say, I am so excited in just a couple of days. If you're listening to this live, in just a couple of days, the Full Body in 15 program kicks off again. This is our our program where literally we take anybody who's been Pi curious (it's Pilates curious) to have been doing it for a long time, but needs help getting more consistent. And also understanding Pilates in your body. A lot of people are like, "Is it for me? How do I know if I'm doing it right?" (Brad: Right.) And so in this program, not only do I teach you how to do a full body workout in 15 minutes. I also teach you how to do the exercises correctly. So that you can you can you can do class with me online and know you're doing it correctly. Or (Brad: Yeah) you can do classes, you could just do your own workout just out at the park, you don't you know, like, of course, I secretly want you, not even secretly, I really do want you to be on OPC. But I also more importantly, want more bodies doing Pilates. And so in this workout, you're (Brad: Yeah) going to learn how to do it.Brad Crowell 3:10  Yeah, so it's great. The Full Body in 15 is great for any of your friends or family who can't touch their toes. Right. So if (Lesley: Yeah) they, like if they what I mean by that I'm thinking particularly of two of my friends, one of them is a boxer and the other does CrossFit. (Lesley: Yeah) And neither of them can touch their toes. And they always say, "I'm so strong, but I can't. I'm not flexible." Right. And they know that, they're you know, so like this is perfect for people in that place because Lesley's philosophy, our philosophy is, it's Pilates, and (Lesley: Yeah) your other thing, right? So they can still do what they're doing, whether it whatever that may be, and incorporate a 15 minute Pilates workout into their day. And it will actually help them with that flexibility.Lesley Logan 4:01  Yeah, and so it's super fun. Hello, my CrossFitters I want you in. I also just know that when you do Pilates consistently, it makes everything you do better. So join us, it's going to be a lot of fun. And I promise you the workout is only 15 minutes.Brad Crowell 4:15  Yeah. So check out the link below in the show notes and join us for free for the Full Body in 15. It is starting in three days.Lesley Logan 4:24  Yeah. All right. So we have an audience question. I love these questions, you all. So you can send your questions in either via email, I'm sure. But also you can send them to the @be_it_pod on Instagram and we will answer them here.Brad Crowell 4:37  Yeah. I particularly love this question because you know, you can't you can't stop me from talking about coffee and my love of coffee. We did have a question way back in the beginning on like, how do you make your coffee or what your morning routine is or whatever. And we talked a lot about the French press or what whatnot. Anyway, this one is, "What is your favorite coffee?"Lesley Logan 5:00  So this is where it gets a little tricky, because it kind of depends on where we are.Brad Crowell 5:04  Ah yeah, it does depend where we are. (Lesley: Yeah) We have, so this is really funny. As you know, we drive around the country. And what I've been doing is I've been favoriting coffee shops all around the country (Lesley: Yeah) as we drive and we're like, "Oh, we're coming back to this one."Lesley Logan 5:18  Yeah. So we know, I mean today, I was talking to somebody about a coffee shop we went to in Birmingham that we loved. Do you remember that coffee shop in Birmingham? It was like we drove this (Brad: Oh, yeah,) little really road. The houses were like ...Brad Crowell 5:29  It was between six churches, I think. (Lesley: Yes,) Yeah. (Lesley: six churches)Lesley Logan 5:33  And there was this coffee shop and it totally stood out like a sore thumb because I was like, "Ah, I don't think this is where the church people are coming to get coffee." Had all these like interesting books and stuff. It was great. (Brad: It was really cute.) Anyways, Brad favored it. No, I don't know the name. I just know that it's in Birmingham between six churches. I'm sure that doesn't narrow it down very much. So okay, if we're in Las Vegas, and we are brewing our coffee at home, it is between a Joshua Tree or Vesta's Goddess Blend.Brad Crowell 5:59  Yeah. So Joshua Tree Coffee Company, which is down on, well, just north of Joshua Tree National Park in Joshua Tree. (Lesley: Yeah, it sounds like the main highway.) Yeah. Which I can't remember now. (Lesley: 111, 1 something) 29? No, no, (Lesley: No, that's ... No ...) It's next to Yucca Valley. It's next to ...Lesley Logan 6:18  You literally can't miss it. (Brad: Yeah) The main road (Brad: Yeah) to Joshua Tree like the you'd make a right and you get into Joshua Tree and it's on the left hand side. (Brad: Yeah) So that's where it is. So that's Joshua Tree. You can actually order it online and no, they don't sponsor (Brad: Yeah) us. Vesta ... (Brad: They should though because we we drink a lot of their coffee.) We get the, whenever I go, we get the biggest bag and I'm like, "I'll take ... Brad Crowell 6:37  It's five pounds or you get a five pound bag of beans. (Lesley: ... I'll take two of those.)Lesley Logan 6:41  So then Vesta has got us one I really do love and I ...Brad Crowell 6:44  So what's that one? (Lesley: The Goddess Blend?) No, no, the company. (Lesley: Vesta) Vesta. They are local here in Vegas.Lesley Logan 6:51  And they're our neighbors, too. (Brad: Yes) Yeah. And actually, it's their coffee shop that made us want to move here. (Brad: Yes.) And so ...Brad Crowell 6:59  When we first drove through Vegas, we stopped at their coffee shop and I was like, "I can work out of this coffee shop. (Lesley: Yeah) That's cool."Lesley Logan 7:06  And and then the COVID happened and no one's working at any coffee shop. But we moved here anyways. But ... (Brad: The COVID.) Okay, now we're going to start some drama in town because on like, okay, on Saturday mornings, we always go to Vesta. And then during the week if I'm like, "I really want a latte." I'll order Vesta on Postmates. But if we want to go work at a coffee shop, we go to Bungalow, (Brad: We do.) and so okay, if you are in Vegas, this would love you to do. I want you ...Brad Crowell 7:29  Bungalow is a is a it's a bigger space. It's got these super tall ceilings, it's a (Lesley: Yeah) it's a pretty chill vibe. You can post up there and work. They got lots of sunlight.Lesley Logan 7:38  They have this like neon sinuses, big sip energy, and I just, I just fuckin' love that. So they have so here's what you have to do, you need to go to Vesta and get the cardamom latte. Then you have to go to Bungalow and get the rosemary latte. And then you have to say, "Which one do you like more?" And I'm gonna be honest ...There is a third. There's like 10 little coffee shops right here, too. (Lesley: Right. So then ...) There's Makers & Finders.Makers & Finders, which also was a place that we fell in love with when we moved here. And I during the pandemic would get, I would order (Brad: the lavender) but I would order like you know, those jugs of coffee that they get for office meetings. (Brad: Yeah) I would order a gallon of cold brew (Brad: Right) for lavender, they would send us a cup of lavender syrup, an entire thing of oat milk, and they would all get delivered and we would drink it all week long. (Brad: Yes) So lavender latte at Makers & Finders, they're all within three blocks. Have fun. So that's what we like to drink here in Las Vegas.Brad Crowell 8:30  For sure you can order Vesta online as well if you're interested in giving them a try.Lesley Logan 8:35  Yeah. And then as far as like what kind of coffee do I like? So typically, we do French press and I do a steamed oat milk like it froths, thanks to Kareen's husband for giving me his frother, his extra one and then I put chocolate collagen in it. Brad has since switched to some vanilla collagen in it and you got all the protein you want like, my loves. You got to get in as much as you can. And then, but lately I've been wanting, I've been wanting to get a ... What do you call it?Brad Crowell 9:02  I have no idea what that means.Lesley Logan 9:04  I want to get an espresso machine (Brad: Oh) and then make a latte (Brad: That's what ... mean.) Yeah. Well, I used to work at a coffee shop, that my first job and (Brad: I didn't know that.) Yeah. (Brad: Really?) Oh, yeah. (Brad: What?) Oh, yeah. I for... or like oh, two years, I worked at a coffee shop. (Brad: What? How did I not know this?) Oh, yeah. No, I worked there. I worked ... (Brad: You're like 15?) Yeah, I started as soon as you can get a work permit.Brad Crowell 9:25  Yeah, I think my first job was 15.Lesley Logan 9:27  You put the thing in, tap, tap, tap ... and then it pours and the frothing and then you have to clean the frother ... Anyways, (Brad: double spout?) Yeah. (Brad: Yeah) Yeah, of course. Otherwise you just lose a shot. You can't just pick one. So anyways, I I think I want one of those machines. Let me know what your favorite one is. Okay, what's your favorite coffee, babe? Anything? Did I missed one?Brad Crowell 9:27  No. I usually if I'm out and about I usually just get a an Americano with soy. Which is funny because (Lesley: And last time ordering for him then I get ...) So it's not really even something I drink ever. But in a coffee I like the taste of it. I don't really like it with the almond milk as much but I will do almond milk. I do. I have started to embrace the oat milk a little more. It is a little creamier and I do enjoy that. So ...Lesley Logan 10:14  It really froths more than almond milk does.Brad Crowell 10:14  Oh well, the frothing machine you have is dope. So that thing whips it up really nice and almond milk and coconut milk. And the other milks (Lesley: No.) don't don't froth nearly as well as oat milk.Lesley Logan 10:27  And ever since I been on an oat milk kick, whenever like, like literally we stopped at our favorite coffee shop on the way home from Joshua Tree, or Palm Springs or something like that. And he's like, "You want get some Joshua Tree?" And I was like, "Okay." So I go up there and I'm like, "Do you have oat milk?" And they said, "No." And I was like, "Thanks," and I left because it's not good with almond. (Brad laughs) And I'm not going to give $5 away and hate the coffee. I'm not going to put myself in position to not be happy. So I just was like, "Thanks so much." And we found a different coffee shop that had oat milk. And I was happy.Brad Crowell 10:56  Funny. All right, let's talk about Dr. Philippe Douyon. As a man who knew there was more than a failed kidneys in his life. Dr. Felipe Douyon chased his dreams to get through medical school and his own patient journey in a different way. He is a testament to the power, "We give our minds" and he has the science to back it up. As a Neurologist and certified epilepsy specialist, Dr. Felipe founded the Inle BrainFit Institute where he helps people transform their health.Lesley Logan 11:31  Okay, so he does, he is just like kicking ass in life and "What did you do today? Nothing." (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 11:37  Yeah. Well, it's, I mean, like we said, at the very beginning, right out of the gate, he's being challenged as a teen with kidney disease. And he talked about his Dad generously giving him his kidney. (Lesley: Yeah) But then, now he's in his 40s. He's a dad. He's like, you know, a doctor, all the things. He still is dealing with things like ... what's the, what's the trance... dialysis? So he just went, he's been going through dialysis and it's been crazy to listen like to listen to him talk about his experience is pretty pretty, it sounds not that fun. I'm not gonna lie.Lesley Logan 12:24  But also like, I feel like you know, our friend Amy Ledin, she is going ... and is dealing battling cancer again. And she is finding people who have had cancer longer than what her diagnosis is, and and asking them, "How long did they say you had?" What is (Brad: Yeah) she looking for evidence of, of people who are out living what their diagnosis is? And that leads me into my favorite point, which is like, you are not you're more than your diagnosis. So like, you know, you you, I think I say this, because I really liked it, because a lot of people like I have migraines. And and that stops them from signing up for things because what if they have a migraine, and he was talking about his client, who was patient (excuse me) who he was able to get from having any seizures for a long time. It's like, "Okay, well, what have you been doing?"Epilepsy patient. (Lesley: Yeah) Yeah.And he's like, "Nothing. I'm just making sure ... I don't want to have a seizure." And so I really liked this, because ...Brad Crowell 13:24  His question to his patient was what, so, "You haven't been working? You haven't been doing life? Like you haven't been doing anything?" And the patient said, "No, I don't want to have another seizure." And he's like, "So so you're waiting until the next one?" Like, what do you you know, why ... (Lesley: Yeah) Any basically, his point about it was, what he finds is that most people embrace this idea of their diagnosis. Right? So like, "Oh, I'm a cancer patient," or "I'm a survivor, I'm a cancer survivor," or "I have epilepsy" or I, whatever I you know, and today can even be I have long COVID because that's becoming more prevalent, you know, so and I think his point is that you have a choice.Lesley Logan 13:26  Yeah. You do and I, so just be mindful of the words that you're using. And also, if something that you have going on your health or your life is keeping you from trying new things, I really want you to go into this next part that I love that he talked about the science behind visualization, the entire occipital lobe, the whole the whole lobe in your brain dedicated to your vision. And ...Brad Crowell 14:15  Yeah, that's amazing. I never knew that.Lesley Logan 14:19  And he also said, or maybe I heard this right after this, and I was like, completely doing, you know, confirmation bias. He said, the eyes and ears see and hear. Did he say this, or did someone else say this? I'm gonna say, anyways, I inferred it from him, your eyes and your ears, see and hear what your brain is looking for. So if you're, you know, like,Brad Crowell 14:57  Oh, no, yeah, you guys talked about the (Lesley: Yeah, okay) recip... drawn a blank on the exact term. (Lesley: reticulating activatiion.) Yes, reticulating ... That's right. (Lesley: blah, blah, blah) I'm impressed. (Lesley: Yeah, wow look what just came out.) Pulling it out of the brain.Lesley Logan 15:11  My brain is really because I had this coffee. Okay. So the point is like, if you are wanting to see evidence that your life is going to be better look for that, like, start telling yourself what good things are happening, what good things could happen.Brad Crowell 15:28  The reticular activating system. (Lesley: Yeah.) And he, what he was specifically talking about was getting a red, Volkswagen Golf. And he said, when he bought that car, he'd never heard of it before, whatever, it's just a car. But as soon as he got in the car and start driving around, he started seeing that same car everywhere else. And he was like, "I'm sure these cars were here before. But how come I never really saw them before?" (Lesley: Yeah) Right. And that is actually the reticular activating system. Now your brain is suddenly saying, "This thing is more important than I used to consider it." So therefore, when we see it, we're going to acknowledge it. (Lesley: Yeah. So you can ...) You probably have done the same with your cars, too. Sure.Lesley Logan 16:09  Oh, I did have one I had a Jeep. And I also lo... I own a Mini Cooper. And I don't even have a G Wagon. And I see all the G Wagons because I want one. And I right now I'm visualizing one in our driveway, like where am I going to park it and like, I know, my Dad's gonna be so mad because he's not gonna be able to pull all the way through. (Brad laughs) Anyway, but the point is my loves, he, there's a whole science behind your visualization. And I really want you to listen to that part again. And again, because you can teach your brain to look for the things that you want in your life that are more positive. (Brad: Yeah) And we should all be doing that.Brad Crowell 16:41  Yeah, this, his interview is definitely one worth saving. So in your podcast app, save that one, go back and listen to it. Because what I really loved about what he was talking about was, first off, acknowledging that the main purpose of the brain, first he said, the brain is the most complex, (I don't know) organism is the wrong word. But it's the most complex (Lesley: Is it organ, right?) Yeah, but but in the entire solar system. And he said, I don't know how you measure that, because I haven't visited the solar system. But you know, your brain is more complicated than any computer, any anything. It's the most complex thing. And, you know, the main job of the brain is to keep you alive. (Lesley: Yeah.) Right. So that includes inhibitors. Right? That includes pain, fear, you know, all these things. It's actually built in on purpose to protect you, to keep you alive. Right. Like, what is that sixth sense? We like the spidey sense, you feel when like, oh, there's something like you know. And suddenly you're aware. Like, it's amazing what our brain does and how it works within our body. Right. And, but the problem, the pro... there can be a problem is that we embrace those things.Lesley Logan 18:00  Well, I mean, also, it's like, is to hold you say, he said, to hold you back. Like, it's, it's literally set up to be in fear, (Brad: Yeah) to keep you alive.Brad Crowell 18:10  Well, I mean, think about the fear of heights. (Lesley: Right) Perfect example, right. Like, I think it's very healthy to look over the edge and go, "whoa!"Lesley Logan 18:21  I agree on that. But you know, why does our brain then have a fear of public speaking? (Brad: That's, that's right.) No one died in public speaking. (Brad: That's ...) Like, like, just naturally.Brad Crowell 18:32  Right. So I mean, yeah, but basically, you know, your, your brain has these checks and balances built in, on purpose to protect you, right? And the problem is that we also have a choice of what we get to focus on. And so if we focus on the fear, then what happens? It's like, it's like a, it's a cycle, (Lesley: Oh well...) we focus on the fear, we focus on the fear (Lesley: reticulating activating system) we focus on the fear. That's right. It's the reticular activating system. You're exactly right. If you are embracing that fear, then you will see fear everywhere. Right? Like this is crazy to think to break it down. So I'm really excited about this. Okay. So what blew my mind is and again, he also laughed and said, I don't know how they measured this, but the studies are, that the average brain has 12,000 to 60,000 thoughts in a day. Right. And that is like, I mean, that's a crazy amount of thoughts. But he also said most of those thoughts are the same thoughts that you had the day before. (Lesley: Yeah. And the day before that.) And the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that. But he also said and this is what was mind blowing to me 60 to 70% of those thoughts are negative.Lesley Logan 19:49  Right. So this is what is so important for you to hear 60 or 70% of your repeated thoughts are negative. So you are literally set up like if you're tired of having negative mindset or having negative thoughts. And you're getting mad at yourself, just so you know, like, like, you're already started in a deficit. So don't instead of getting upset at yourself, you get to go, "Oh, there's my brain. Doing that thing it does." Like, it's, it's not, it's not a, what's the word I'm looking for? It's not a reflection on you. Your brain is set up that way. And so it takes, it takes us to be super conscious and super aware and super on top of the thoughts that we're thinking and can go, "Oh, you know what, we're actually not having that thought anymore. Thank you so much for that. Thank you." And like, move on. But don't be so hard on yourself because that's a negative thought, too.Brad Crowell 20:41  Yeah, I think I think the the idea that. Okay, more than 50% means on average, your thoughts are negative. (Lesley: Yeah) That's kind of a, that's kind of a sad statistic to be quite honest. But it's also a reveal, a revealing statistic. And also, (Lesley: It's like permission. It's that ...) I was just gonna say, I think that it also allows you permission. That like, I'm not, we're not what I'm not saying is embrace those negative thoughts. But what I am saying is, understand that it is normal for negative thoughts to go through your brain. (Lesley: Yeah) Okay, it is normal. So if that is normal, then don't, don't let those negative thoughts cause the guilt cycle of like, "Oh, my God, I just ..." And you just kind of spiral down, (Lesley: Yeah) spiral down, right? Knowing that 60 to 70% of your thoughts are negative, suddenly, that should actually just be freeing. It should be permission to go, "Hey, there's another negative thought." Okay, that negative thought happened. But like we were talking about before, when ...(Lesley: ... you thought) you're more than your diagnosis. (Lesley: Yeah) So what you choose to focus on, you know, like, "Okay, that's a negative thought. Got it. I'm gonna, I'm gonna set that negative thought aside, and I'm gonna focus on something else." That's a decision.Lesley Logan 22:11  You can also like, change the thought. You can go, like, if you're like, "Oh, I'm so bad at this." You can go, you know what I actually am choosing to tell myself that I'm working on this. Like you can, you can actually just change the thought and it's gonna take more than one time changing it. But over time, you know, your subconscious is very malleable. You can tell it what to think.Brad Crowell 22:31  Yeah, yeah. I mean, this was like, when he was talking about this. I literally, I think I started talking out loud going, "What? What really? Are you kidding?" Like ...Lesley Logan 22:40  You are speaking out loud?Brad Crowell 22:41  Yeah. I had my headphones on. Lesley was like, "Are you on a phone call?" I was like, "No, I'm listening to this interview." (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 22:46  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we I am, we have to just, well, he has a whole brain podcast, everyone, so we can just go listen to him. Or we'll just have him back. And I just have way too many more ...Brad Crowell 22:55  We'll put his podcast link in the show notes. (Lesley: Okay.) Yeah. So, all right, finally, let's talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executabl,e intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your conversation with Dr. Philippe Douyon?Lesley Logan 23:10  Do you want to jump on in?Brad Crowell 23:13  I do. I want to jump on in. (Brad and Lesley laughs) (Lesley: Oh, my God. The way you that...) You're more than willing, (Lesley: Yeah. No.) to jump on in.Lesley Logan 23:21  The more, the way the way (Brad: That two inside jobs.) he did ... No, we're gonna have another one. The way you did that. It's your whole body and your tone was like a Fortune Feimster? You know like ...Brad Crowell 23:32  Yes, (Lesley: Yes.) I love that. All right ...Lesley Logan 23:34  ... have Fortune on.Brad Crowell 23:36  I would love to have her on. That'd be incredible. (Lesley: Yeah. Okay.) Get ready for some laughs, everyone. All right. So finally, so my BE IT items. So here's the deal. We basically couldn't pick any one thing that that Philippe was talking about. So we just kind of rolled them all in. So here's the deal. This sum... in summary of those negative 60 to 70% of thoughts that we were talking about, and you are not the the you're not your diagnosis. You can choose what thoughts to focus on, right, that reciprocal activating, whatever, (Lesley: I think it's reticular.) reticular, sorry, activating. ... me like these guys are just botching this whole thing up ...Lesley Logan 24:21  Because I kept kind of reticulating activating (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 24:24  The point is, you can change the way you think about things. (Lesley: Yeah) Okay. You actually have control over that. And that is a that is hard to, that's hard, right? Because if we're caught in that negative cycle, that negative self talk that fear based, you know, where we're focusing on the negative, we're focusing on the fear, understanding and acknowledging that the fear thoughts are going to happen whether we want them to or not, right, but you can change the way you think about things by reading different material, having different experiences, surrounding yourself with different people. Okay, that is going to give you another perspective, it's going to change your perspective. Right? (Lesley: Yeah) Think about that. Let's, let's talk about that again. One of the one of the things that I've always talked about is that everybody should be traveling internationally, everyone, everyone, everyone, everyone should be traveling internationally. (Lesley: Yeah) Because when you go see a different culture, you're experiencing a different way that people think differently. It's just different.Lesley Logan 25:22  Well, and you also, by the way, you end up with way less judgment around people, because (Brad: Yeah) you understand why they make decisions when they make them. And so you're a little bit more like, "Oh, there must be a reason for that." You might not like the reason but like, you just, it just makes you a more open minded person. (Brad: Yeah) But also, like, just he said, surround yourself with different people. You all might have put a frickin pin. (Brad: Yep.) Some of the negative people in your life. And it's frustrating, and it's hard, but like, this is your one life. (Brad: Yeah, is it.) Do you want to keep spending it with people who are super frickin negative. No, I don't.Brad Crowell 25:54  It's actually really hard to remove negative people. But it's something that really will benefit you in the long run.Lesley Logan 26:02  Yeah, yeah. Well, and then there's more, you have more.Brad Crowell 26:05  Yeah. So anyway, read different material, have different experiences, surround yourself with different people. Because when you have those different perspectives, you can then make a decision on what you want to focus on.Lesley Logan 26:20  Yeah, and that's the coolest thing, you get to also just, you get to choose what to focus on. (Brad: Yep.) I mean, this one between this interview and Kasey Jo Orvidas? Like y'all have all the tips and tools to like positive mindset your way through things and not in a 'woo woo' way ...Brad Crowell 26:37  And going all the way back to Amy Ledin. (Lesley: Oh, yeah.) You know, like, Amy's not a doctor, but she's a survivor. Lesley Logan 26:43  Yeah, yeah. No, I'm, I would love to know what you're making a decision to focus on. That'd be really fun. Okay. (Brad: Yeah.) So this is so fun for me, because I know that I asked a neur... neurological doctor about Sudoku, Sudoku, (Brad: Sudoku) Sudoku. But I ... (Brad: He did have a laugh.) I needed to know curious minds, right here. Okay.Brad Crowell 27:06  I think he told him, you said, "I keep getting ads for a quiz or a brain, a thing that's going to tell me how old my brain is." (Lesley: Yes.) And he had a laugh.Lesley Logan 27:14  And he said, "No, you don't need to do that." And I'm like, "Okay, good." Because I hate a bunch of apps on my phone. Anyways. So how do you keep the brain healthy? Is it these brain games? Well, he has something for you. But he's an actual brain doctor. So I say yes to that. (Brad: He does have a quiz. I think he said.) It's a course or something. Yeah. Anyways, it is not Sudoku, it is not any of those games that are being launched at you because you won't pay for extra people on best games like I do. It is simply he says, "No, it's exercise every single day. Get your body moving." You guys ...Brad Crowell 27:45  Did you hear that? Say that, again.Lesley Logan 27:47  Keep... you keep your brain healthy through movement, through exercise. You have to move your body intentionally every day. Holy moly, this is amazing. So all of you should be running to sign up for Full Body in 15. And if you're listening to this after Full Body in 15, then just join us over OPC because we literally help you move every single day. And you don't have to have access to equipment, you can just have room on the floor. And you actually what I know, I know about the movement is that we tell you positive things for your brain to hear during your workout so that we can help you change what you're focusing on. So we could be the people that you surround yourself with. OPC can be those people. Anyways, (Brad: That'ss so true.) it's a complete shameless plug. But I did not pay him to say this. And it's so true.Brad Crowell 28:34  Yeah, I know. Oh well, I was laughing because you were talking about the reticular activating system. And this actually kind of came out of the blue like it wasn't like you're driving down the street looking for a confirmation of movement. You know, this is like a confirmation bias. But it's also like, it was unsolicited, (Lesley: I had no idea.) unsolicited, completely ...Lesley Logan 28:55  I had no idea. (Brad: Yeah) He could have told me we eat celery and I would have had a major problem with that. (Brad laughs) I can't even do juice.Brad Crowell 29:03  Could you imagine, how do you make your brain, how do you keep your brain healthy? Eat celery ...Lesley Logan 29:09  I already have cried. I would have been like, "Nope. Next. Thank you, next. (Brad: Yeah, that's amazing.) Thank you, next." (Brad: movement) Movement, movement for the win. So intentional movement every day, my loves and so if you struggle with that, if you need it, you need support with that. Hi, I'm your gal. Accountability queen over here. And we are completely happy with you just do what is possible and not (Brad: Yep) like the whole freaking class if you can't do it. So, (Brad: Yep) How are you going to use these tips in your life? I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 29:37  I'll tell you how. I'm going to use it. I'm going to be doing the Full Body in 15. Next, this week, (Lesley: Yeah) this weekend.Lesley Logan 29:44  He's also going to start doing it tomorrow. Even though that's in the past, it's now for me. (Brad: Yeah) (Lesley laughs) All right. Thank you so much for joining us today. We are so grateful for you for you and for listen... being a listener. Tell us how you'd use these tips. What was your favorite part of this interview. Tag the @be_it_pod, tag Dr. Philippe Douyon. And let us know, like, let us know what you're focusing on. We want to know. (Brad: Yeah) Anyways, we'll catch you on the next episode.Bye for now.That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day!'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.Brad Crowell 30:47  It's written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli.Lesley Logan 30:58  Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing.Brad Crowell 31:02  Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. 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How much of your day is spent scheduling and just trying to fit everything into the day? LL and Brad share how they are managing their time as business owners and how to infuse gratitude into your journey. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How to schedule your day as a business ownerWhen it's time for an assistant The journey is not a wasteNaming each voice in your head to addressSay thank you for each experience Episode References/Links:Ethan Kross: Chatter The Voice in Our Head, Why It Matters, and How to Harness ItFull Body in 15 registration  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:01  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast, where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Brad Crowell 0:46  All right, all right, all right. Welcome back!Lesley Logan 0:49  To the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into this gracious conversation with Kellee Forkenbrock. U'm, sorry everyone Brad has has given me a lot of hand signals. It's like a fucking facement coach.Brad Crowell 1:03  ... a second ago you weren't sitting off to the left of the mic. You were actually on the mic. So now ....Lesley Logan 1:08  We're gonna keep all this in. (Brad: Yeah, we're keeping it. We're keeping it.) Not like literally he looks like either like an airplane person like trying to lead the plane in or ...Brad Crowell 1:16  If you're watching on YouTube, I'm really good at hiding. So my arm goes off to the side of the camera. And then I'm like, I'm signaling from the side.Lesley Logan 1:24  By the way it means my eyes go all the way over to the third baseman (Brad: It's true.) to the right and then I have to assume (Brad: It's true.) "What is he pointing at?" (Brad: Yeah, it's usually ...) Is there something in my hair? (Brad: No.) Is there something on my teeth? (Brad: No.) Anyways, that's ... (Brad: You're beautiful.) Thank you. Thank, you know what? (Brad: Winning, right here.) Well, actually, I'm already using Kellee's BE IT action item. (Brad: I love it.) So, Kellee Forkenbrock in our last episode, if you haven't yet listened to her interview, what are you doing? Go listen.Brad Crowell 1:51  What are you doing?Lesley Logan 1:52  Seriously? I can't wait to drive through Iowa because Kellee, Rachel, Sandy BrownBrad Crowell 1:57  It's gonna be a good hang. I'm looking forward to it.Lesley Logan 1:59  Actually, Jenn Voss was there now. Frickin, we're gonna have the best hangout session. (Brad: Yeah, it's gonna be good.) And I've always wanted to know a librarian and I know your cousin is one but (Brad: Yeah) she's sorry to your cousin. I think she's my favorite. So, (Brad and Lesley laughs) if you haven't ...Brad Crowell 2:15  Sorry, you also don't know my cousin very well, so fair enough.Lesley Logan 2:18  I know. Not yet. Not yet. We're gonna we... it's only Christmas time when I see her. So, um, if you haven't yet listen to that ... what are you doing? Go back. Listen to that one. You can listen after this one. You can hit pause on this one. Whatever you want to do. But anyways, you gotta listen to Kellee because she is amazing.Brad Crowell 2:33  She's pretty much fire.Lesley Logan 2:35  She's fire. (Brad: That's true.) Also, she has two names.Brad Crowell 2:39  She does have two names, and you're gonna have to figure out why she has two names (Lesley: Y'all listen to the episode.) when you listen to the episode. (Lesley: Yeah) (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 2:45  Okay. So, at the time you're listening this Brad and I are in Colorado. (Brad: Oh, yeah.) Kicking it in Denver. (Brad: Yeah) We're hanging out with some of our podcast guests like Michael (Brad: Yeah, where we at.) Unbroken and we are at Momentum Fest which is (Brad: We are at Momentum Fest.) Jessica Valant, who was one of our podcast guests. She is the founder of Momentum Fest and we're so so friggin excited to be there. (Brad: Yeah.) So it's ...Brad Crowell 3:09  By the way, it's super fun and it's not Pila... not necessarily only Pilates. (Lesley: It is movements.) It's movement. (Lesley: Yeah) So it's a ton of fun, yoga, barre, dance, Pilates, all the things (Lesley: There's meditation and everything.) Yeah, (Lesley: Yeah) it is, it's an absolute blast. (Lesley: and us. and we're there.) Yeah. And then and then I hang out at the merch booth the whole time. (Lesley: Yeah.) Lesley teaches and she ... (Lesley: I hang out with like John Steele.) She corrals John Steele. (Lesley: We gonna talked to John Steele one day.) Oh, we should have him on the pod.Lesley Logan 3:38  I mean, we've already had him on our (Brad: We had.) if you're an OPC member you actually can see the coolest freakin interview. (Brad: It's an incredible.) Not even what's on my notes to talk about but (Brad: No, not at all.) OPC members have access to this incredible interview we did with John Steele. And we surprise John Steele with Jay Grimes which if you're not a Pilates teacher, you're like, oh ... (Brad: Who are these people? Yeah, doesn't mean anything.) words they don't know. But Joseph Pilates is a man and John Steele, (Brad: It's a good place to start.) it's like pseudo adopted son and he wrote a book and Brad's parents also picked up the book because I left it downstairs one year and I promptly decided to hide it when I got to the part where it just says Pilates teaches people have better sex. And I was like, "Let's just not let your parents get to that page." Anyways, Jay Grimes also does a Pilates and Jay always admired John. And so I had to surprise John ...Brad Crowell 4:27  It was an incredible opportunity (Lesley: Yeah) because we know Jay really well. Jay is Lesley's teacher. So having John Steele on, we already knew, because we had a, we had a dinner with Jay, he told us all about this book. We have to read it and he told us all about how much he admired John. And then when we were at Momentum Fest a year ago, we had a booth across from John (Lesley: Yeah) and I got a chance to hang with him all weekend. (Lesley: John has ...) Lesley, hung with him all weekend.Lesley Logan 4:54  John has a pod hat. John is one of the first people to own (Brad: Yes, he has a Be It pod hat.) the Perfect is Boring trucker hat. (Brad: Yeah) Because an 80 something year old man with a wiry curly hair, (Brad: Yeah) wearing the trucker hat and fuckin' kelly green.Brad Crowell 5:09  Pretty cool. Pretty cool. (Lesley: Pretty cool.) Pretty cool. (Lesley: Anyways ...) Anyway, so we surprise John with Jay and it was lovely. So if you're an OPC member, you get to see that (Lesley: Yeah) is part of the Facebook group. So anyway, moving right along ...Lesley Logan 5:21  Really quickly, just so you all know, speaking of Pilates, if the idea of better sex, or just the fact that Joseph Pilates as a real human being and other people followed him it has you intrigued or you are just a mat lover in general, the Full Body in 15 doors are open. (Brad: Yes) The link is in the show notes. I'll tell you it's onlinepilates.classes.com/, no, maybe it's not that, it's probably fullbodyin15.com. Brad, what is it? We're gonna edit this out? If we don't know... (Brad: It's fullbodyin15.com) Great. Go there fullbodyin15.com (Brad: Yeah) and the doors are open.Brad Crowell 5:55  Yeah. So base... basically, just for those of you who might not know Full Body in 15 is for newbies, beginners, people who are not like, you know that anyone who anyone is welcome to join us. If you've been doing Pilates forever. You're (Lesley: Yeah) welcome to join us for it. (Lesley: Yeah) But this is a beginner's program for people who maybe they're runners or weightlifters or you know, whatever yogiLesley Logan 6:19  If you've heard that you should try out Pilates but you've not (Brad: Right.) it's for dancers, right? It's not. I'm not one. It is the best thing to add to anything you already love. (Brad: Yes) And it is going to, we're teaching you how to do a full body workout in 15 minutes. (Brad: Yep) We actually teach you how to be the teacher of your own body. It's super great. If you are ...Brad Crowell 6:39  It's actually really great because (Lesley: Brad did it.) I'm such a nerd about like, technique, and, you know, like structure and all that kind of stuff. And in this in this week long program, there's three workshops there, you know, roughly 90 minutes and Lesley goes through the 'why' of the exercise is. (Lesley: Yeah) And also the 'how', the why and the how. (Lesley: The what, the why.) Right. Yeah and who, I mean ...Lesley Logan 7:06  You know, the 'who is you' and the 'win' is when we're doing it. (Brad laughs) So here's the deal. It's the it's a free program. So let's just get to, it's a free program. (Brad: free program) And if you are a Pilates professional, and you're like, "Wait, I still kind of want to go." You can come. (Brad: Yeah, join us. No biggie.) you absolutely can come. We had a ton of teachers join us last time. But this is if you are a mat, if you like literally all you have is room, all you own is like space on the floor to lay down. This is for you. (Brad: Yeah) Go to fullbodyin15.com to sign up. Brad Crowell 7:31  And if you are a Pilates person and your significant other, you've been trying to convince them to do Pilates forever, and they don't listen to you. And you think that they might listen to somebody else. You can have them join us.Lesley Logan 7:44  I... Last time we had an osteo path.Brad Crowell 7:47  We had the husband (Lesley: of a Pilates teacher) who never does Pilates (Lesley: who is an osteopath) and he watched it and he's like, (Lesley: He did it.) oh, she understands the body. (Lesley: Yeah) This is really cool. (Lesley: Yeah) And that so that there's that.Lesley Logan 7:59  Yeah, I mean, I hope he recognizes that his wife also applies.. of Pilates instructor ...Brad Crowell 8:02  I'm sure she, I'm sure, I'm sure he was like, "Oh, okay." (Lesley laughs) Yeah.Lesley Logan 8:06  It's okay girl. (Brad: I hope so.) My husband also only does it when we have a reteat or so. (Brad: Busted) ... thrown under Brad. Okay. Do we have an audience questions this week?Brad Crowell 8:15  We do, we do. We totally do. If the audience question is, what is that sound in the background? (Lesley: That's Bayon.) That's our Bayon.Lesley Logan 8:23  He's looking at me. (Brad: Yes) It's too early.Brad Crowell 8:25  Yeah, (Lesley: it's too ...) it's way too early buddy. (Lesley: too early for our walk) Like hours hours too early.Lesley Logan 8:29  No, the winter really screws (Brad: Yeah) up because I think he gets his clock wrong. (Brad: Yeah) Anyway,Brad Crowell 8:33  All right, so the question we got from an audience member, and that was submitted through Instagram, on our Instagram channel was, "How is it possible that you get all the things done that you do? I feel so overwhelmed, and it's, it's like, I need more than one of me. Do you have an assistant? When do you know if you need an assistant?"Lesley Logan 8:56  Yeah. So okay, first of all, thank you.Brad Crowell 9:00  There's a lot of questions all in one, I think it was great. (Lesley: Yeah) Thanks for that.Lesley Logan 9:03  So I you know what? I literally get how do you get everything done in my DMs on a regular basis. And if you were like, "I (Brad: Yeah) wanted to ask you that too." You're gonna keep asking, I'm gonna send you this episode. So here's, here's the deal. In the past when it was just myself and myself, and I paid Brad's company to help. I feel you, like I frickin fill you and I was so scared. I was so scared to hire. I didn't think I could afford it. I didn't think my business was big enough. I don't know who I thought assistants were for. But a lot of the stuff we actually, like a scheduling tool was like hugely essential to getting things done because you'd be surprised what technology can do if they can work like a human.Brad Crowell 9:51  Let me just start, let me just start over (Lesley: Okay) because when we met, you were texting all of your clients, (Lesley: I was.) every time, every weekLesley Logan 9:58  So you are doing that, you're not alone, I too texted. I had over six figure teaching business 20 hours a week. (Brad: And she was texting all of her clients.) Texting clients, (Brad: and ...) confiming them through text. I never had a day off because they were texting me on my day off to reschedule.Brad Crowell 10:12  On Sunday, Saturday, it didn't matter. It was like she was always texting people to book them. And then she had this hilarious like frenzy. She was like, "Hey, Thursday at three just opened up who wants it?" And then like, ...Lesley Logan 10:25  Yeah, and that was the whole (Brad: you know) thing (Brad: but) and that was annoying. And then I had a client, who was a 6am client, and he would text me at 5:45 in the morning, going, "I'm hungover. I'm not coming in." I'm like, fuckin' jerk." Because like, so I had to have a talk with him. I was like, "You, if you are drinking the night before, and you do not cancel me at the bar. I'm charging you double. (Brad: Yeah) Do not text me 15 mins before because I'm already up. I'm already on my run." (Brad: I'm already there.) I could have slept in. (Brad: Right) So anyways, (Brad: totally) soBrad Crowell 10:54  Anyway, so the point ...Lesley Logan 10:56  The irony is, he's the guy, we got the scheduling tool from. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 10:59  Yeah, that's true. So he had a scheduling tool business. And when we were talking about it, it was like, "What if all of this stuff was not something you're texting them. Instead, it was in a scheduling tool." And we worked with them for like two or three years to try to build a scheduling tool that was specifically for fitness people. And that was obviously a competitor to Mind Body. And because we were we were annoyed at it. And it was also really costly.Lesley Logan 11:30  That was too expensive. It wasn't like, I would rather have a real like human being assistant, if I was going to spend 200 bucks, I'd like you knowBrad Crowell 11:36  Yeah, I mean, you're you're managing 20 or 30 clients. Right? (Lesley: Yeah) And spent $200 a month to do that didn't seem to make sense. So anyway, we, we started working with this company to build an app that we could then turn around and offer to other Pilates instructors. And unfortunately, that didn't last the way that we had hoped. And after some time, the company actually decided not to build the fitness app. And so we're like, alright, and you know, it's fine. Our business changed, our business had changed a bit at that point. So we were (Lesley: Oh yeah ...) doing things a little differently, but (Lesley: and then the pandemic) and then the pandemic, and that obviously jacked it all up. But during the pandemic, the craziest thing happened, we were approached by another software company, and they said, "Hey, we love what you're doing with Profitable Pilates, you should check out what we're doing. We would love to customize our app to do what you want." (Lesley: Yeah) And I was like, "I'm sorry, say that last part again?" So we get a chance to sit down with them and to review what it is that they're doing. And then we got to add in fitness business coaching (Lesley: Yeah) to their (Lesley: Yeah) amazing scheduling tool. (Lesley: Yeah) And that was like I wish that had been there when we were looking for a (Lesley: Oh my God) scheduling tool years before. (Lesley: Yeah) and now this is the only scheduling tool out there that has a fitness business coaching built into the app, (Lesley: Yeah) you know, and it's all directed by you know Lesley, so the the anyway you you need this app because it's going to save you all of that time texting, all that time scheduling, you're going to automatically be charging people for late cancels, all this stuff (Lesley: Yeah) and what what circling back around (Lesley: to this question) to the question all of this stuff takes so much time.Lesley Logan 13:27  People don't realize like actually how much time it takes until they have to do it anymore. The the the the idea that when you go to check your text messages, your business is blended with your personal life is overwhelming, (Brad: That's actually stressful.) it's very stressful (Brad: Yeah) Brad is very big on this, we don't like he and I try really really hard not to even text each other about business. (Brad: Yeah) Like we it is like a last record like, "911. Holy get on here." (Brad: Yeah, texts each other. Right.) But um so I, if you are a fitness business instructor and you are overwhelmed, you need my scheduling tool, get in the show notes to get the 30 day free trial, (Brad: Yup) it will act as an assistant for you and it's like the fee once you start is 50 bucks a month. I promise you you cannot find an assistant for 50 bucks a month and so it's going to take over a lot of the busy work that you have to do especially the bookkeeping, the payroll, the the package can't count...Brad Crowell 14:18  Yeah, if you have a team there's a there's another level that does teams you can pay them all the things. Anyway (Lesley: anyway) but the the I think that the biggest thing is the mental space that you're going to get back (Lesley: Yeah) that you don't have to think about, "Oh, I have to remember to text this person because they canceled or no ..." Lesley Logan 14:34  And that's overwhelming like keeping all that in your head. (Brad: Rght) And you're gonna miss it and then you're gonna and then if you are overwhelmed right now, I know you, if you're listening to this podcast, you are a recovering or like still a perfectionist overachiever person. Hi, I see you. And you are going to get mad at yourself when you forgot to text someone in time to get them scheduled for something and you're like, "I lost that money." You need a scheduling tool. I promise (Brad: Yeah) you. I don't care how little you think your business It's going to allow you to feel legitimate, it's going to take your business away from your personal life and allow you to have space and grace. (Brad: Yeah) The other thing ... (Brad: ... oh, God.) Oh, I was just gonna go to the next question ...Brad Crowell 15:10  Oh, so if you if you have any interest in how Lesley schedules her actual calendar, we've got a free webinar on that that also will lead you to this our scheduling tool, the webinars called Ditching Busy and ditchingbusy.com. (Lesley: Yeah) If you want to go directly and skip the webinar and go directly to download the app, we will put that link in the show notes.Lesley Logan 15:33  Yeah. So the second question is, or the second two questions, "Do have an assistant when you need to know you need an assistant? (Brad: Yeah) So in full transparency, we all have assistants in our company, because while I have, like the tools for people to schedule with me, I actually need someone to help me schedule me for other things. (Brad: Sure) So um, so that could not be automated by a bot. Anyway. And so and Brad, same thing like he, he has, we have a scheduling tool for him. But we need someone to monitor that and also help him get things on the book.And protect my calendar, and all, you know, I double book myself sometimes all the things, you know.Yeah, so so in fact, we do have assistants, even our operations person has an assistant now, how do you know you need assistant? When like you have made sure you've automated everything you frickin can (Brad: Yeah) and you still can't get it all done. (Brad: Yeah) You need and you also need ...Brad Crowell 16:33  And when you when you feel like you're barely keeping your head above water, (Lesley: Yeah) and you've already put automations in place, because that's like, like, for example, we we had the first assistant that we ever hired. You know, she was with us for four years. (Lesley: Shout out to Lindsay.) Yeah, Lindsay, she's the most organized person we've ever met. She's amazing.Lesley Logan 16:34  Seriously, I know. And she's ... (Brad: but after ...) all of these things. And I'm like, "That girl's kid is going to be the most organized child."Brad Crowell 16:51  But after two years, she was like, "Hey," and she raised her hand, she's like, "By the way, I'm so maxed on my hours, I can't do anything else." And we went back and we looked at all the things we had asked her to do two years ago, and we're like, "Oh, you're still doing that." PS, we can automate that now. And so we took like, almost a third, maybe even half of what we had originally asked her to do. And we turned it into some kind of an automation, which freed up a bunch of time for her to be able to do the things that were actually benefiting us, (Lesley: Yeah) you know, so (Lesley: and so I know ...) automation is first and then you know, you need to then when you still like, "Wow, I just can't manage it all." That's when you would consider bringing on an assistant.Lesley Logan 17:37  And you would bring on an assistant and you didn't ask this but I'm gonna tell you whose strengths are your weaknesses. So you're not hiring another you. You're hiring someone who is like, I am so not detail oriented, literally came in with an idea to the team and I'm like, "Great, can you tell my assistant that idea and tell her to help me schedule it." And that's just (Brad: Right) because my strengths are not details, that is not and when I have to get in the details, it immediately pulls me into this like I get frickin negative to be honest I like get pissy, I like don't have an abundance mindset. So I have learned to delegate that off into people whose strengths are the details. So I love this question. Thank you (Brad: Great question.) for asking. (Brad: Yeah) Really amazing. If you have a question for us that you would like our opinion on, just DMs at the @be_it_pod. (Brad: And it can be anything.) Yeah, you can ask Brad about his cactuses. He loves it.Brad Crowell 18:27  I mean, we were just listening to Iliza (Lesley: Schlesinger) Schlesinger. And her the questions she gets are, (Lesley: Yeah) they make no sense to me why, anyway, ask them because how could she possibly ...Lesley Logan 18:40  You want to ask me about our wedding? You can ask us about our wedding.Brad Crowell 18:42  ... Be an expert on some of this stuff. But I love it. I think it's amazing. So you can ask us anything.Lesley Logan 18:47  You can ask us anything. It does not have to be business. It does not have any Pilates. (Brad: Nope) It can literally be like, like, you know, what's your favorite water bottle? Which I will tell you once they freakin pay me because I'm obsessed with this bottle everyone.Brad Crowell 18:58  Yeah, yeah, we've got a new company.Lesley Logan 18:59  I'm obsessed (Brad: They are pretty cool.) And the moment you hear me talking about it. Yes, I'm getting paid. And yes, you're gonna buy it. (Brad laughs) Anyways, I think we should talk about Kellee.Brad Crowell 19:08  Yeah, let's talk about Kellee. All right. Eliza David, (Lesley: whoa) when a pen is in hand, and Kellee Forkenbrock on the day to day, when she's working in the library. She's hanging with her kids or attending grad school. Kellee is an author, student, librarian and Mama whose life began at 40. Or so she says when she decided to get sober and started following her passions. (Lesley: Okay ...) So I'm just gonna say that again. She's got two names because one is her pen name. And the other is her real name. (Lesley: Yes. Okay.) Yeah. (Lesley: So) I know we just gave it away even though we told you at the beginning that you need to do listen the other episode but ...Lesley Logan 19:49  You know if they made it this far. Now they're in. You're in. (Brad: It's true. Now you're in.) First of all, also, I think if you buy her books on Amazon and like 99 cents and there's some free ones.Brad Crowell 19:56  Yeah. They're 99 cents, she's got one free and the others at 99 cents. (Lesley: Yeah and ...) So go support Eliza David. That's what with the z - e l i z aLesley Logan 20:04  And if you're not if you're like, "I don't do steamy romance." Let me just tell you after Dr. Celeste, and the, you know, the Fifty Shades of Grey, I think we all could use, like a little reprieve of like learning things and you know all this stuff like go let your mind wander. So, go go read her books. I think that'd be great. She's amazing. I'm gonna jump in with one thing I love that she said, which is the journey is not a waste and this one. (Brad: Yeah) I gotta be honest, I I'm a recovering perfectionist and overachiever. Notice it is inactive recovering. Because I freaking hate when things don't go the way I plan. And I want 100% start off with like, what a waste of time. That was such a waste of time or like we make a wrong turn like, "Oh my God, that was like 20 minutes." That is ...Brad Crowell 20:51  I know. I get frustrated too. When I when I mess up the directions.Lesley Logan 20:54  It just happened the other day. (Brad: Yeah) We were getting tile, you had to go to another appointment. (Brad: Yeah) And you missed the exit. And you're like, you're like so mad at yourself. And you made it to your appointment on time anyway.Brad Crowell 20:54  I did. I made it.Lesley Logan 20:54  Because Vegas has no traffic. Anyway, the point is, I'm still I believe this, I 100% like cosign subscribe, like the journey is not a waste, I will tattoo it somewhere on my body. And yet, I catch myself thinking it's a waste. And so I really love that she mentioned this because I needed the reminder, that means you all need the reminder. And ...Brad Crowell 21:27  Well, so okay, so she's sober. (Lesley: Yeah) And she didn't get sober until I believe her early like end of her late 30s, late 30s, early 40s. I'm not sure exactly. But it I would imagine, it would be very easy to go. Wow 20 years of hard drinking, I feel like was a waste.Lesley Logan 21:46  Well, we'll just say drinking. I don't want to put a thing attached though I don't know ...Brad Crowell 21:50  Oh, she very clearly said hard drinking (Lesley: Okay) in the interview. (Lesley: If she said, okay, that's fine. And ...) Straight up. She transitioned from binge drinking in college to (Lesley: Well, she didn't have like a bubble.) she said she had three phases. (Lesley: Yeah. Okay.) She said binge drinking in college to to the New York West Side martinis to the wine Mama. (Lesley: Oh, and she ...) And she said when, when she said the reason that the big, the big awareness was when her daughter was like, "Mom, you're having a bad day? Do you want mommy juice?" And (Lesley: yeah) she was like, "Oh, my God."Lesley Logan 22:25  Well, we we we have a member whose kids also pour... poured mommy juice for her. And she's like, "Is this a bad thing?" (Lesley laughs) (Brad: Right. So ... ) It was a pandemic. We'll give her a break.Brad Crowell 22:36  ... anyway, definitely, she definitely put that out there. But anyway, I think that it would be easy to look back on that and say, "What a waste?"Lesley Logan 22:46  Yeah. And you know, here's the deal. If you took it, (Brad: That I would disagree.) Yeah. And she would too. (Brad: Yes) So, whether you like if you think you took the wrong job, or you did the wrong person or you chuck the wrong route to work one day or, you know, you did something you're like, "That was so stupid." None of that is a waste. All of it, is a lessons and learning experiences. And I you know, I I think we need to be kinder to ourselves, and we need to almost be more of a observer in those times where things don't go the way we planned (Brad: Yeah) or we made a decision. We look back on and go, "Woah, that was dumb." You know, I mean, I was just had a ...Brad Crowell 23:25  It's really hard. It's really hard to be kind to yourself.Lesley Logan 23:28  Well, I was just on a lunch date with someone. And we were talking about exes. And like, I didn't say this because I have, I am so grateful. I but like she had mentioned like, "You know, I wasted all this time with these people." And I and I said, "You know, my husband and I probably would not have married each other if we had not had the relationship before." Because I wasn't (Brad: I think that's very ...) like a musican. Are you kidding? (Brad: Yeah) Because I dated all these perfect on paper people I was like, well guess what? Let's try something new. So I like the journey is not a waste, everything is setting you up for the next step. And I was just, (Brad: Yeah) "Who was I talking to about ...?"Brad Crowell 23:29  ... the successes and the failuresLesley Logan 23:36  Yeah, but I was talking to somebody about video games maybe the podcast, anyways. Basically like Mario Brothers, Donkey Kong that's a video games I played. So so sorry go back to your elder millennial days (Brad: and duck hunter.) Yeah, I did not get Duck Hunter, (Brad: Oh) because you needed it like an extra thing. (Brad: Yeah) I was poor. So um, the fact that we had Donkey Kong and Mario Brothers when my grandfather got tired of it. Anyways, so you like you do a level and you learn a bad guy and you beat that bad guy and then the next level you have that bad guy but you know but then there's a new bad guy and then you learn that and then the (Brad: Sure) next level and then you get to the palace to save the fucking princess. And I frickin hate it with no save a fucking princess. Like it could be a frickin prince by the way. Anyways, we're saving someone and all the bad guys you've ever had to be are all there, right?Brad Crowell 25:00  Also her name was Princess Toadstool. (Brad laughs) That's such a weird name.Lesley Logan 25:05  Somebody didn't like women. Anyways, the truth is, is that you could not be at that level if you hadn't done the other levels. (Brad: Yeah) So whatever you're about to go up to whatever obstacles in your way, the only reason you actually have any attempt at achieving, getting past it going through it being on the other side of it is because of the journey you had before it. All the things you had before, all the lessons you learned, whether you choose to learn from those lessons that's on you. But but they're all happening for you.Brad Crowell 25:37  Well, I think it's funny. Funny is the wrong word. I think that it's when it becomes circuitous. If you don't learn from it.Lesley Logan 25:45  Can you say that word again?Brad Crowell 25:46  Circuitous. (Lesley: I don't think I know it.) ... meaning it's a circuit. (Lesley: Oh) (Lesley laughs) It's a circle as a better way to say. So you won't, you know, if you don't learn from the experience you had, you somehow, in some form, you end up repeating that experience. (Lesley: Oh) So I think a great example is people who end up dating the quote, unquote, "same person over and over" or they quote, unquote, "make the same mistakes over and over and over". It's because, you know, you haven't learned from it the first time (Lesley: Yeah) or the second time or third time. (Lesley: Yeah.) And so becomes a pattern.Lesley Logan 26:21  Yeah. Well, anyways, I guess we could talk about that for an hour. (Brad: It's a whole another thing.) Thank you, Kellee, for that. What did you love what she said?Brad Crowell 26:32  So she said, she actually had this whole conversation about discern... discerning, the voice of fear, versus the voice of reason. (Lesley: Yeah) And I thought that was, (Lesley: She's brilliant.) that was really poignant. Yeah. I mean, like ...Lesley Logan 26:49  We're gonna get Brad word of the day toilet paper for the pod, like you can poignant, circuitous.Brad Crowell 26:54  That was a really gracious. No, so so ...Lesley Logan 26:59  Poignant is great. It fits perfectly. Keep it in.Brad Crowell 27:01  Yeah, she, she. I thought this was really cool because everybody second guesses themselves, you know. And ... it like for her, she was talking about going to get a master's degree. You know, she's in her, I think mid 30s at that point. And she's like, "Really now? Why, you know, is this the right thing to do?" Her husband was excited about it. She already had kids at this point. But, you know, and then she started to second guess herself. And she's like, "Wow. Really, do I need this? Why do I," you know, and started this, like, you know, rabbit trail of why. And, ultimately, that allowed her to come through the fear and decide this is the voice of reason, not the voice of, you know, (Lesley: fear) fear. Because, like, is she afraid that no one's going to take her seriously unless she has the degree. Right? (Lesley: Yeah) Or is she going to further her career and life by having this degree?Lesley Logan 28:07  Yeah, I think that I think this is like y'all. I don't know, somehow this is becoming a shirt. Like, people like, "Oh, my gut says this." Is it your gut, though? Is it like is it your gut? Or are you, is it a fear voice in there? And I think, I think a lot of times obstacles, fear voices, they're going to come up on purpose, how bad are you going to fight for them? Are you going to reason with yourself? Are going to take time to get to know that, that the difference of it and and so I, I would love to hear if you have and I, if you have a clear understanding of the voice of fear versus voice of reason. And also, by the way, I'm reading this book Chatter, but you should name them you should have a name for the voice of reason. (Brad: Oh, yeah.) And you should have a name for the voice of fear and you should have a name for that bitch in your head who's like telling you to, "You're not good enough." They should all like, they should all be named. And and you can go you know what, "Tina, (Sorry for the Tina's listening. I love you. This is I'm just picking out Tina, it came to my head.) I hear you and I'm not afraid of that." (Brad: Yeah) But thank you for that. You can take that and also ...Brad Crowell 29:13  We're gonna get there, we're gonna get there. (Lesley: Okay ..) But I think that, you know, the, the way that she decided this was a voice of reason not fear was to dig into her, 'why'. Why am I doing this? What you know, like, why go after a master's degree? Why at this point in my life, you know, why do I want to do this? And when she began to analyze that, when she began to look at her 'why', then it allowed her to confidently say, I I should do, I should I should do this. Sorry. Our dog is digging at the carpet because the carpet is clearly not soft enough.Lesley Logan 29:58  Well, but also she has with the current state of our house is because she dug it two carpets. (Brad: It's true.) And she won. (Brad: Yeah) So I just sent her a very soft hair tie.Brad Crowell 30:10  So but but she so Kellee was talking about her why, and her why allowed her to confidently make the decision. And that is something that each and every one of us can take away and really start to shake that like imposter syndrome. (Lesley: Yeah) You know that that fear based decision making. Why are you doing what you're doing, will help you confidently make the decision.Lesley Logan 30:39  I Kellee, I'm obsessed with you and Rachel Piper, our OPC teacher, girl. Thank you. Thank you for introduction. (Brad: Good choice. Good referral.) Okay, so let's talk about the BE IT action item that she had, because I have referenced it a couple of times (Brad: You have) I'm so excited about it.Brad Crowell 30:56  Yeah. All right. All right. So what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Kellee Forkenbrock?Lesley Logan 31:04  Learn to say thank you. Learn to say thank you. Thank you, Tina. Thank you, I don't know the voice of reason. It just ...Brad Crowell 31:15  The voice of fear, the voice of reason, the ...Lesley Logan 31:18  Yeah. Name them all for yourself. Name yourself, thank yourself. Then she said thank you for the for for releasing from me from that ex. Thank you for this argument I get to have with another.Brad Crowell 31:28  Well, everything about this goes back to the the the first action item that you pulled out, which is the journey is not a waste.Lesley Logan 31:35  Thank you for that opportunity to learn about myself.Brad Crowell 31:39  Right. Thank you for you know, bringing me to a place where I realized that this is no longer serving me whatever this might be. Kellee's case, she was talking about alcohol, you know, and this is not serving me anymore. And I've become aware of it. Thank you for that experience. I mean you move on. (Lesley: Yeah) Could be changing a job. It could be firing a client. It could be, I don't know (Lesley: Yeah, I think ...) whatever, opening a new bank account.Lesley Logan 32:05  I mean, like, and also when she said learn to say thank you. She didn't say and then qualify it. So my ladies listening when someone says you look amazing. Don't say this old thing from Ross. I don't care if it's this old thing from Ross, say thank you. (Brad: Right, this old thing from Ross, awww) Or it was on sale. Like ...Brad Crowell 32:26  No, you don't have to, that's just deflection that's not actually receiving.Lesley Logan 32:29  You're literally not receiving it. So thank thank thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. First of all, thank you for listening.Brad Crowell 32:38  Yeah, thank you for listening.Lesley Logan 32:40  Thank you, Kellee, for becoming like part of our world. I or letting us into your world or I don't know, I'm just freaking excited to know you. I'm gonna go get a library card. By the time, (Brad: Yeah) you listen to this, I have a library card because I actually have 17 books. I want to listen to 17 like exact, because I just listened to an interview with a woman. She said 'yes' to the podcast, by the way. (Brad: Oh yeah) So I'm super excited about it. And it's three books about venture capitalism. And you're like, "What Lesley, I don't want to know anything about that." Let me just tell you, my ladies listening because I know what our listeners are hello to the men, but 98% of you are girls. Women identify as women. Here's a deal. We need to know how to create wealth. (Brad: Yeah) Because I'm sorry, I'm not waiting 202 years to achieve the same wealth as men. You shouldn't be excited about that. So I'm getting a library card because. Brad Crowell 33:28  They don't know what you're referring to. But yes.Lesley Logan 33:30  She's coming on, you'll know when (Brad: Yeah) you'll know. You'll know when it comes on. (Brad: Yeah) Thank you for listening. Thank you. (Brad: Thank you.) I'm getting a library card because this woman rapid, like rattled off like three books that I have to listen to. And then I met with this coffee girl, and she ran off three new books I need to read. And so I just need a library card because I refused to buy extra credits on Audible. So I'm just gonna (Brad: Yeah, I know.) go with that. And you too. (Brad: I went too.) You too, should get a library card. (Brad: You too.) Let's all support our local librarians. Okay, Kellee, thank you. (Brad: Thank you.) Brad, thanks for being here.Brad Crowell 34:01  Oh, thanks, Lesley. Same to you.Lesley Logan 34:04  Thank you for saying my name correctly. I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 34:07  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 34:09  Thank you for joining us today. It's just because people always say it wrong. (Brad: I know.) And they and you know what if you've done that it's okay.Brad Crowell 34:16  We still love you.Lesley Logan 34:17  I'll still say thank you.Brad Crowell 34:18  Thank you for saying her name wrong. (Lesley: Yeah.)Lesley Logan 34:22  Thank you for being here. How are you going to use these BE IT actions action items in your life? I want to know, tag the @be_it_pod. Brad wants to know, he's @cactus_daddie by the way. There's a i e at the end. So, I spell it right. And Kellee. By the way, Kellee is with two e's. SoBrad Crowell 34:38  K e l l e e (Lesley: Yeah. But she is ...) Forkenbrock. You can't mess that out.Lesley Logan 34:42  Yeah. Her instagram handle if I work, recall is @writegirlproblems. Right? As in ...Brad Crowell 34:48  It'll be in the show notes because I don't actually remember.Lesley Logan 34:51  It'll be in the show notes. Don't worry about it. I remember because I really like it. So tag us both. And if you're feeling fancy tag @cactus_daddie. So we ...Brad Crowell 35:00  And 99 cents, go find some of her books.Lesley Logan 35:02  I know. (Brad: Yeah) Oh my gosh. Go get some steamy romance in your life. (Brad: Eliza David) Eliza David. (Brad: Oh yeah.) Anyways, freaking obsessed. Kellee, thank you so much. How are you going use these BE IT action items in your life? We want to know. Tag us and until next time, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell 35:19  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 35:22  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. 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Embracing tension to create lasting, sometimes drastic changes for a life you are proud to live. What are you willing to do to have the life you want? If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How LL and Brad disconnectPutting a timeline on your goalsThe weight of boundaries You can't compromise yourself to connect with othersIntentionally make decisions that alignComplaints are flashlights into areas that need changeWhat are you willing to do for the things you want? Episode References/Links:Control Your Balance Challenge  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:01  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the passionate convo I had with Michael Unbroken in our last episode. If you haven't yet listen to that interview, feel free to pause this now, go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us. Can I just say, "Go freakin listen to that episode." I'm gonna just use his words, "Go fucking listen to that episode." And by the way, when you listen to episode, maybe if you have children in the room, you don't want them to hear the F word more than I say it or Brad says it ...Brad Crowell 1:11  There's a lot of F words.Lesley Logan 1:12  I know. But he uses them so strategically.Brad Crowell 1:15  Oh, I mean, it didn't bother me at all. I just I just had to read the transcript (Lesley laughs) while listening to it. I was like, "1, 2, 7, 10.5." And I was like, "Okay. Alright, I'm in." I mean, he speaks like I speak, he thinks like, he definitely is challenging, more challenging in that way than I than I think. I think he's he's embraced this willingness to to create tension (Lesley: Yeah) and confrontation in a in a matter of fact way like he's not antagonizing you confrontation. But (Lesley: Right, right.) you know like, like, "Hey, this is the black and the white of it." The you know the truth of things.Lesley Logan 1:56  ... the truth of things. And I think you'd like to tell us to people when we are in like coaching calls, you're like pressure builds diamonds like stress is like there's there is a good stress and so that tension that he creates, it's it is forcing you to work with like even like, like take your mind on a workout to really get honest with yourself because I think ...Brad Crowell 2:18  It's gonna make you, make you be uncomfortable, which he talked a lot about.Lesley Logan 2:21  Yeah, yeah. Anyways, we could have called it 'the uncomfortable conversation', but we like the (Brad: yeah) positive words around here. (Brad: Yeah) Before we get into Michael Unbroken's recap, I wanted to say we are days away from the Control Your Balance Challenge. (Brad: Yeah) And so those of you who have access to a reformer, we are kicking off a week long journey, the OPC teachers are joining me, we are facing some fears.Brad Crowell 2:45  Sure are. Lots of balance. And you know, like challenging exercises that are easy to avoid.Lesley Logan 2:52  Yeah, and also here's the deal if you're like, "Oh my God, I can't do that exercise." That's why you should join us. (Brad: That's a whole point.) The whole point is not that you're going to roll off the reformer and roll back on and like you know, carry strug... this shit, you're gonna actually ...Brad Crowell 3:07  I don't even know that reference, but we'll go with it. We'll go with it.Lesley Logan 3:11  Oh, that 9... the 96 Olympic team Babe, the women's gold medal Atlanta, she landed, she the pommel hor... like, you know the, (Brad: Ah) what do you call it? Where they run, they jump, spring, land, she landed on one leg, on one leg she stuck it. (Brad: I vaguely remember this.) And she had that little tiny hop. Anyways, the Control Your Balance... off reformer is you land on one leg. Hello, so thank you for going in my journey, all the girls listening knew what I was talking about. (Brad laughs) So at any rate, the goal is that you are actually going to learn how to build yourself up to this exercise. And then if you are able to go on and off, great icing on your cake, that's fine. But everyone needs to put icing on their cake if you're going to leave the week with a tool, strategies, tips and confidence that you can apply not just to this exercise, but any other advanced or super advanced exercise. So you can go to onlinepilatesclasses.com/control to snag your spot. And did I mention it's free? So (Brad: It's free!) Yeah. (Brad: So you should join us.) Join me for a week. Okay, audience question, Babe. What do we got?Brad Crowell 4:13  All right. So I decided to ask a question this week of us. (Lesley: Yeah, he gonna inspired by Clare.) I did. I got inspired by Clare. And I was like, "Well, I want to ask a question." So basically, I want to ask this question to you, the audience members and then I'm going to ask this to Lesley as well and we ... (Lesley: Well, I'm gonna ask it to you.) and then she can ask it to me and then we can all ask it to each other, kumbaya. A question is, "What do you do to disconnect?"Lesley Logan 4:48  So that's your question audience. So I hope you're like you know, taking them I think you should answer it out loud wherever you are.Brad Crowell 4:54  Yeah and disconnect. What I mean by disconnect is not necessarily from like devices or electronics, but that could be how you take it. But what I mean is like, we have our busy, crazy life our dreams, goals, like what we're chasing. Right? And, but there always needs to be some kind of a reprieve from that. And so and that ... (Lesley: Like a recharge.) it can't be forever. Yeah, recharged.Lesley Logan 5:22  You put your phone on charger at night, you got to put yourself on a charger at some point.Brad Crowell 5:25  Yeah. So what do you do to disconnect or recharge? I like that.Lesley Logan 5:29  Yeah, well, I'll say, I think it has changed. Like, I think it will probably always change because like, what you need changes because we change. But um, for me, I remember using flights as a way to disconnect that was, oh my gosh. (Brad: Yeah) Oh my gosh, especially the flights to Asia where there was no internet. I'm like, "17 hours, no one can talk to me." (Lesley laughs) (Brad: Yeah) And then I was so excited when I got off the plane. I'm like, "Whoa, let me see all the people." It's probably why people, I told someone this yesterday, at an event we were at, they didn't believe when I said, "I was an introvert." So I'm actually just really tired there's a lot of people and they're like, "You're an introvert?" I'm like, "High functioning." Like, I am going to like lay down after this and be really chill. So depending on how much recharging I need to be or where I'm at, I can go for, I like to go for a walk. I like to get ... I like to workout those kinds of like movement meditations with myself are really recharging. I actually like to just sit in journal in the mornings, that's I disconnect every morning that way, I mean, connecting to myself, and I love my new red light therapy. But I try to find disconnection time every single day. And I have to say shout out to Sam, who changed all of my 'Do Not Disturbs'. All of them are on these amazing timers. And then like I don't have to do them. So like I am disconnected from certain things at certain times of the day that don't apply to like my day. And so you can't like there's like endless amounts of ways to disconnect, even when you have to stay connected. So what do you do?Brad Crowell 6:58  I think that's amazing. And I don't disconnect. I guess I guess I guess there's that's true. There's like a sense of distraction. So like, I'll, like pull up a video game. And I'll play a video game for a few minutes. (Lesley: ... that's a distraction. You're right, that's a better word for that. That's not disconnect.) Yeah. Well, it's, especially I got I noticed now, if I have a session, a hard session of thinking and concentration and focus, I feel taxed. Like I actually feel like, okay, you know, I need to, like not be in front of my computer right now. And that is maybe when I'll go for a walk or listen to a pod. Maybe that's what I'm making lunch. And I'm like, that's kind of almost a sense of disconnecting, because I know I'm going to sit down for another session. But what I like in my mind, what I meant was kind of bigger picture. Every year being an extrovert, I I really gain energy from being around people. And I love to be around my favorite peoples. So my closest friends and we go once a year to Joshua Tree. And when this episode is coming out, we will have just returned from four days in the desert. (Lesley: I'm coming with this year.) And yeah, I'm very excited that you're coming.Lesley Logan 8:12  I took a break last year. I took a pause. (Brad: Yeah) And I'm so grateful because of that pause I booked a trip to Hawaii. (Lesley and Brad laughs)Brad Crowell 8:19  You did. I got a text message when I came out of the desert. And it was like, "Hey, we're going to Hawaii." I was like "What? Okay, great, amazing." But there's something... So first off, I'm truly disconnected. There's not even cell phone reception where we go, it's just in the Joshua Tree National Park and they don't cover most of the park. So you know, when you're when you're deep in the park, there's just no bars of reception. (Lesley: Yeah) So you're completely disconnected from that. You know, and you're disconnected from email and you are, you know, your your, your, there's no one able to get a hold of you. (Lesley: Yeah) And you're not able to get hold of anyone. So, you know, you're with you'd be prepared, you show up with everything that you need to survive because it is a survival. But also it's amazing because it, I always find I get there and I'm stressed. Like when I get there, I'm like, "Oh my God, I'm gonna I got all these things that I didn't finish or I got to do and all this stuff," and then it takes about a day. And on day two, I get to wake up and I go, "Ah, right, I'm here on purpose, even though I know I have this mountain of stuff I got to do. I actually need this time to like be in nature and you know, put my feet on the ground and you know, drink a beer and hang out and you know, enjoy like walk among the cactuses" because there's a million of them there. The Joshua Trees are unbelievably epic, and be with some incredibly supportive and encouraging and amazing people in my life and that is been something that I've done every year. We've only missed one year because COVID (Lesley: Yeah ...) 2020 shut down the park. (Lesley: That's because they cancelled us.) They cancelled us. But otherwise (Lesley: We'll still go) it's been something that we've been doing since like 2009, 8 9 10. No. So I met him and ... so 2011 I think. So, (Lesley: Yeah) more than 10 years now. Yeah.Lesley Logan 10:16  Yeah. Yeah, we I was like, "Oh, you and I were still gonna go because ..." I mean, we're going to be outside by ourselves the same, like by ourselves inside. But at any rate, that is a fun disconnection. And I think, you know, whether or not you can do full on camping trips, you have to find little pockets of time. And then ideally, a big pocket of time. I mean, all the people that I admire, when I hear they say that once a year, they take a week off, and no one can get a hold of them. (Brad: Yeah) A week off. And it's like, "Oh, that would be amazing."Brad Crowell 10:49  Someday, we're doing it.Lesley Logan 10:51  Maybe this year, maybe this year. We're gonna plan a a one week. You can't get a hold of me. (Brad laughs)Brad Crowell 10:57  I love it. Okay, well, I hope to hear from you, (Lesley: Yeah) how you disconnect and what it is that really recharges you and lights your fire. You can tell us in on Instagram, just send us a DM to @be_it_pod. And you know, if it's something that you are okay with us sharing, we'll repost or put it in our stories and all the things we would love hearing from you. It truly is why we do this. We love connecting with you. So make sure you reach out. And if nothing else, just say 'hi'.Lesley Logan 11:29  I love it. We really love to connect with you even though we want to know how you disconnect with us. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 11:34  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Connects with us to tells us how you disconnect ...Lesley Logan 11:37  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. (Brad laughs) Okay. Here we go.Brad Crowell 11:40  All right. Now let's talk about Michael Unbroken. As an overcomer of trauma and abuse, Michael Unbroken is an author, speaker, coach, podcast host and he finally decided to accept, who finally decided to accept only the things that aligned with his ideal life. Michael is on a mission to end generational trauma, through education and information in his lifetime. (Lesley: Yeah) Now, I, I've read his statement multiple times. And I listened to him on his show multiple times. And I just want to say I love that he has put a timeline on his goals for everyone to hear, "In my lifetime, I want to end generational trauma. In my lifetime." Right? He didn't just say, "I want to end generational trauma." No, he's got a definitive date on it. (Lesley: Yeah) And that is, it lights a fire under him. Like, "I only have my lifetime to make this happen. So I better get moving."Lesley Logan 12:39  Yeah, I actually like that you bring that up. I I think that's really extremely important. Because I think some of us are like, "By the time I'm 40. And by the time I'm this, I'm gonna do these things."Brad Crowell 12:50  Oh, that's a timeline. But I mean (Lesley: That's a timeline.) people, no, no I think people say like, "I always wanted to open my own studio." (Lesley: Yeah) But then it's like, okay, that's amazing. But when?Lesley Logan 13:01  When, when, when when? (Brad: Yeah) Yeah, somebody tried to tell me like, "Oh, I listened, this person and they like are anti goals." And they actually to say, "You should have like just objectives." And I was like, okay, so an objective is a goal. And you still have an any company who has objectives, you still have to put timelines on them. Because that is how the entire team knows what to work on. I think like people are just getting caught in the semantics. The point is, putting a deadline on something makes you take action towards it. If you don't take action towards it, it's not about excusing it away. And you'll if you are someone who does you gotta listen to Michael Unbroken, because he is going to put some call you out on that in a good way.Brad Crowell 13:42  Powerful and passionately.Lesley Logan 13:43  Yeah, but also like, there is nothing wrong with you missing a goal. It's only if you don't sit down, reflect and understand what corrections you didn't make so you continue on that goal. (Brad: Yeah) Or you are working on a goal that you actually didn't want, and just sounded really good then I'm glad you didn't work on it. And now you know, you've reflected, you can correct and continue. And I think like, I think it's okay, in fact, I think it's important that you put frickin timelines on things.Brad Crowell 14:08  Well, what you just said, is hinting directly at with the the talking point I wanted to talk about today. (Lesley: Okay. So so you want to go in first in. It's that your saying?) Yeah, let me jump in. (Lesley: Okay, go.) You said, "It's okay if you if you didn't do it, and you realize you didn't want to do it. That's okay." So he specifically talked about well, he kind of said, "I wouldn't be on this podcast if I didn't check you out and find out that we aligned."Lesley Logan 14:38  Did you, do ... I know when you listen to that you like, "Oh, Lesley love that." (Brad: Oh, yeah, yeah.) Words of affirmation. I felt so loved, felt so safe. (Brad laughs)Brad Crowell 14:45  Well, you know, I just I thought it was very strong. I thought it was clear that he knows himself, and that he knows what his goals are. And if there isn't alignment, you know, then he's not going to go. Now he used an example about going to a see a show a country singer show whatever. But the you know, the point is, and I think that the hard the hard part of this is, you are exercising that muscle that says no. Right? And you're also learning, which kind of does hint at what you are going to talk about. But also he said I thought this was amazing. His summary of that entire section was, "If at any point, I feel like I have to bend or placate myself and chameleon, myself, who, who I am. And the only reason why is so that I feel connected to you. I refuse to do it." And then he said, "But I still gotta do the damn dishes."Lesley Logan 15:52  Yeah. But I I really appreciated him actually talking about that. And that's I had asked him like, "But what about bills? What about the dishes?" Because I think people use that excuse, well I still to do those things. So I'm gonna go to the country show, so I feel connected to you. It's like, that's actually not, that's not the same thing. You do the dishes, because you don't want to have frickin bugs. And you don't have stinky house and you need to have clean dishes. You don't need to go the country show to connect to that person. You can find other ways to connect that person if you want to be connected to them.Brad Crowell 16:22  Yeah, I think there's a fine line here that I want to kind of dig into because I value relationships. (Lesley: Yeah) And I also am open for compromise. Right. But and so I don't think that ...Lesley Logan 16:35  You mean, when we went to the Crowes concert, and we went to the wrong, it was not what we thought we gonna be.Brad Crowell 16:40  Yeah, we went to the Black Crowes. (Lesley laughs) Yeah, we ... (Lesley: Not the Counting Crowes.) Yeah, well, you know, and that was an amazing concert. I'm glad we went. But we went there in order to connect with our friends, who we are, you know, we were are still, you know, making here in Vegas. And so that was the intention, the intention, for from my perspective, it didn't matter what the music was. The point was to hang out with them so we can get to know them better, eat dinner with them, and then go enjoy some music. Right. And so, you know, I don't know if it had been ...Lesley Logan 17:14  You would not have gone if it had been a country music concert. (Brad: I guess that's ...) Because they have been like, "Hey, it's like Garth Brooks. Do you want to come with us?"Brad Crowell 17:23  No, probably would have just said, "I'll go to dinner." (Lesley: Yeah) I guess that's true.Lesley Logan 17:26  So but there you go. So you can actually still also, there's just, there are other ways to connect. If you want to connect with someone, you can also just say, "Hey, do you ever do these things? Or are you guys gonna go to dinner beforehand, because I'll meet you for that." Like, if you are, you don't have to compromise yourself to connect with people. And I know from like, past relationships, I was in I they had to do all these networking events. And we'd go to these places, I don't have to dress a certain way. And it's like, "I don't wanna dress like this. I don't want to dress like this to connect with these people. I will, can we just go to a different dinner where I can dress look like I want to dress and if not let go without me. I don't want to I don't want to do that." And you end up not being the person you want to be when you show up. (Brad: Yeah) And so then you're not even connecting with them anyways, because you're not you. You're a persona and so ...Brad Crowell 18:09  Yeah. You're not your authentic self.Lesley Logan 18:11  Yeah, no, I frickin, I'm obsessed with like, agree and only the things and so that might make you have to stop and say, "Hey, let me get back to you." Or like, read the text and don't respond and then make a note to think about it and ask yourself if it aligns, you might it might take you a year or so to figure out what actually aligns. If you've been saying yes to a lot of things that don't, you might not know what you want to say 'yes' to right now.Brad Crowell 18:34  Yeah, take a pause, you know, definitely, that I think also, there's a second part of this, which, you know, that I've talked about this before, there's the whirlwind. And then there's the steps that actually move your business forward or move your project forward. And, you know, I think that's kind of what he was alluding to with the dishes, the dishes of the whirlwind, the dishes have to get fucking done. Someone has to do the dishes, right? And he even talked about his mentor who's a billionaire. He's like, "Even my mentor, someone who sometimes has to do the dishes." Right? And he's like, "So I got to do the damn dishes." But when it comes to the other things around the whirlwind, outside of that stuff that like that stuff just has to get done. He really does intentionally make decisions based on alignment. And, and that's something that, you know, I we would encourage you, I would encourage you. You know, I think the hard part is, maybe it's a friend that you're going to end up, maybe changing your plans with, but it could also be your spouse, right, and you've been I'm not I'm not opposed to compromise. "Hey, last night, we watched this movie. This night I want to watch this movie." But also you know what? Maybe that compromise is like, "Hey, what if you just watched the movie on your on and I'll watch my movie on my own." And you actually also have alone time. You don't need to be connected at the hip. You know?Lesley Logan 20:06  Oh my gosh, you don't?Brad Crowell 20:07  I know. So weird. (Lesley: So weird. Okay, my turn.) Yes, your turn because like I've now hinted at yours like twice and I ...Lesley Logan 20:15  Okay. Well good you just basically hinted it again. So he talks about regarding boundaries, complaining isn't changing anything. The greatest form of challenging the understanding of who you are, is by learning to say yes and no, based on your wants, needs, interests, values, moral character and boundaries. Ooh.Brad Crowell 20:31  I mean, this is like, this is like the underlying foundation of how he carries himself. So why don't you read that one more time?Lesley Logan 20:38  The greatest form of challenging the understanding of who you are, is by learning to say yes and no, based on your wants, needs, interests, values, moral character and boundaries.Brad Crowell 20:46  I think you should emphasize the word 'your' (Lesley: your) wants, needs, interests, values, moral character and boundaries.Lesley Logan 20:54  Yeah. And also, so last week's episode, one of the BE IT action items was get to know yourself. And if you were like, "Yeah, yeah, I'm in." And then you're like, "Wait, how the fuck do I do it?" Here you go. Take a piece of paper put wants on it. Next piece paper. Next piece paper you're gonna need it. Needs. Next piece of paper, interests. Next one, values. Next one, moral character and next one, actually, the boundaries are going to fill in, after you fill out all those other things. Because guess what the boundaries are? The things that have to say yes or no to to make sure that those things happen. So if you want something that's different than you have today, you're gonna have to do something different than you're already doing. Which means you're going to have to say no to something so that you can do that, you're going to have to say no to things you're currently doing. We had to say, for me to do, all that we're doing in our business, we've had to say no to a lot of people wanting me to do workshops. (Brad: Yeah) It's not that I don't want to do them. I've really like doing them.Brad Crowell 21:22  I mean, it was also like, how the entire business worked before (Lesley: Yeah) we were intentionally telling people, "Lesley is available for workshops." And then at one point, we were like, "Lesley's not not available anymore." And people kept asking, and I was like, "Ah that's a really great opportunity. (Lesley: I know.) Can't."Lesley Logan 22:06  I know I told a girlfriend yesterday. And she's like, "Yeah. I'm get, I'm booked up for the year and they still have more calls." I'm like, "Put a $10,000 price tag on it and girl." Make it or make it 20. Make it a number that you can't say no to. So that if you have to leave your house on a busy week, you can do that. But the point is, is like, really, you're gonna have to like, let something go, you're (Brad: Yeah) going to have to do that. And so that those boundaries are going to be created after you fill out all those other things. And it's going to be a muscle. (Brad: Yeah) It is not going to feel easy to say no to someone that you usually say yes to or you like and so you want to say yes to like Brad says he's like, "Yeah, I'm pretty good at compromising. I might just go." It's like, yeah, but what is that 'yes' taking you away from? Because (Brad: Sure) if you're saying yes, that is taking you away from any of your wants, needs, interest, values, moral character, then your boundaries are not in alignment (Brad: hmm) period. And so I feel like that is an ongoing thing, you will do some boundaries. I'm super super, like so clear on it's like, not even a problem. And then some, it just depends on the day, depends on who asks. You know, so you start to like, but you'd be really careful with that. Because if you are going to have a VIP list of people who get to break a boundary, you need to have that list. Otherwise, anyone can get on that list, because it just you know ... (Brad: Yeah) boundaries. I also just want to talk about complaining isn't changing anything. I, it's okay to complain but if you have the same complaint more than one time, in a short period of time, you my friend have a very good magnifying glass, a flashlight on area of your life, you need to make changes. You cannot negotiate with that on me. I'm sorry. The reason Brad and I are even together is because a girlfriend of mine kept freaking complain about his stupid scarf she lost. And I had that scarf. And I had very few things in life at the time I just moved. I just went from being homeless for three months to actually having an apartment and I had that scarf. And I had that scarf and 18 legal boxes of clothes. And that was fucking it. And I was like, "I'll give you his scarf. If you shut up about it but you have to get me a date with Brad." So this is how much I don't like complaints. I don't mind hearing them. And I find myself complaining too. I'm not like, you know, so like, I don't have a complaint. But Brad knows if I complain about something more than once I'm like, now I'm pissed at myself because (Brad: Sure) I hate it. And I'm pissed that we still are in this situation. (Brad: Yeah) And I'm like we have to delegate, delete, delineate or postpone this thing because it's not working in the current thing and I am pissed about it ... (Brad: delegate, delete or defer) Defer. I knew there was another D word. Anyways, my point is complaining isn't changing anything. So it's okay if you complain, but write them down and then notice if you've had the same complaint, go back to your wants, needs, interest, values and moral character, create a boundary around it.Brad Crowell 24:59  Yeah. And I'm going to bring up a fourth point, because I just can't help myself. There was so much in this episode. So seriously, go back and listen to it again(Lesley: Oh My god. The fucking best.). And then listen to it again. (Lesley: And again, you're gonna pick out different things.) Yeah. So he said, when you were talking about change, he said, the, he was talking about a fixed mindset. And he said, "The worst possible thing that you could ever say, is, well, that's just how I am, period." Because that's the ultimate fixed mindset, there is nothing that could happen, that will allow you to change that perspective on yourself. And he said, he literally said, "You've lost at life. If that's what you're saying, that's just how I am, then it's over for you. You're not you will not change, there is no change that is gonna happen." And obviously, if you're listening to this podcasts, you want change. So take a quick look, if there's anything, it doesn't matter about, like, whatever it is, it could be relatively innocuous, it could be, you know, you're you're digging in on something that, you know, is is a 10 year argument between you and your spouse that where it's like a big confrontation point. If you're saying that's just how I am, you know, you are unwilling to change. (Lesley: Yeah) And that is that is not going to help you move forward to get to the things that you want to be doing with this life.Lesley Logan 26:27  Yeah. That's, that's really powerful one. I yeah, I couldn't agree more, you have to listen to this several times and he has his own podcast. So if you need a kick in the pants every fucking day, (Brad: Yeah) you can go get it from him there.Brad Crowell 26:43  All right. So finally, let's talk about those BE IT action items. What both, executable, intrinsic, or targeted action items, can we take away from your conversation with Michael Unbroken? And I thought it was so cool. You you said, Lesley, you said listen this with so many takeaways already in this episode. But if you just had to tie it all up with a bow, what would you say? And I was like, "Oh, that's clever. It's a clever way to to summarize that."Lesley Logan 27:11  Well some ... will give me all the action items in the conversation and like, "um." SoBrad Crowell 27:15  Well, he said, "Ask yourself, 'What am I willing to do to have the life I want to have?'" (Lesley: Yeah) And that was his one BE IT action item. What am I ask yourself the question, "What am I willing to do to have the life that I want to have?"Lesley Logan 27:34  I would love to, you know, audience we are asking you a lot of questions. I would love to know what you are willing to do. I just, I really, I sat with that question. Because he was like, the last thing of my day that day. And so I just like, (Brad: powerful) was powerful. I think you were gone. (Brad: It was passionate.) Yeah, I think you were in Cambodia. And I was just like, "I just had time to think about it." And I remember thinking, "Oh, there are some things that I still could get rid of." It's kind of like you clean out your closet. (Brad: Sure) And yeah, it's cleaned out. And then you're like, "There's still not enough space." Because there's like more to clean out because you kept some things because of sentimental value, (Brad: Sure) you know? And the reality is, is that like, you might have to like, "Are you willing to, like throw everything away and start over? Just like start over?" (Brad: Yeah) Like, "What are you willing to do?" And so maybe it's not drastic, but like, "Are you willing to wake up an hour earlier to work on the thing you want to work on?" (Brad: Yeah) Because you that is the only time you have peace and quiet? Like, "What what are you willing to do?" And so he also brought up a couple of bullet points that are just there just to like, reiterate this just to like, nail it in, no one is going to hand it to you.Brad Crowell 28:51  No one is going to hand you what you want.Lesley Logan 28:54  No, not even Oprah. Even if you wanted a car, I think you'd pay the taxes on that. (Brad and Lesley laughs) So no one gonna handed to you.Brad Crowell 29:01  He also said there are no excuses. He said, "When you're asking yourself this question, 'what am I willing to do to have the life that I want to have?'" There are no excuses, just results.Lesley Logan 29:10  I think that's actually really freeing, because you can just excuse things away and like, you could just be in that world, or that spiral or that thing forever.Brad Crowell 29:18  Well, think about this. There are no excuses, just results. Everything is a result, whether it's a good result, or a bad result. (Lesley: Yeah) It's the result of action or inaction. Is the result of your decision on that action or inaction.Lesley Logan 29:37  Well also like, sometimes you'll take the action and you're not gonna get the result you wanted. But does that mean you don't have to have an excuse for why it didn't work? You can just go, "Okay, what happened? Next step, get results. Next step get results." Like you don't actually have to sit and excuse away the thing, it didn't work because I had this, I had, like, I got sick in the middle of it, blah, blah, blah. It's like nope. (Brad: I didn't do it.) It didn't, you didn't do it, (Brad: Whatever it is.) and, okay, you're not an asshole because you were sick. But you got to guess what you had to do? You get to do it again.Brad Crowell 30:09  Yeah. And with what are you willing to do to have the life that you want to have? You know, before this, he had said, "Show me your calendar. And I'll tell you, if you're willing to do it."Lesley Logan 30:22  You'll see a little gemstones in there.Brad Crowell 30:24  Oh, yeah, there was so much. There's, like a usually I, I can listen through and I, I understand it. And I, I actually slowed this one down. And I took my own notes on this, you know, even though Amanda produced this I, I was reading what she was writing, I was reading what he was saying. I was like, wow, and I kind of rewrote it in a language that I would use so that I could remake, make sure I remembered these points (Lesley: I think it ...) because it was amazing.Lesley Logan 30:51  I think it also depends on where you are in your life, too. Right? Like, you are a almost like my ... likes to say, "Almost 40." (Brad laughs) (Brad: Almost) And Amanda is just getting out of grad school in her early 20s. And then there's (Brad: Sure) like ... (Brad: perspective) So, I think, no matter who you are, there are a fuck ton of gems in this. (Brad: Yeah) And when Brad said relis... or re listen, save this episode, it's really easy to do. You can do it on any place that you listen to podcasts, and then set, put, set a timer in your calendar for a month from now, two months from now, just a random day and time to re listen to this episode. (Brad: Yeah) You can put the link in there. So it's really easy to click on it. And that way it comes up and you listen to it again. My bet you will he'll he'll hear different things from the episode just on the changes you've made to get the wants, needs, moral values that you want to have in your life. So y'all, Michael wants to know, we want to know what are you willing to do to have the life you want to have? I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 31:47  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 31:48  Thank you so much for listening to us today. We are so grateful you are here. So really, no truly what are you going to do? Let us know by send us a DM at the @be_it_pod on Instagram and we'll catch you on the next episode.Brad Crowell 31:59  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 32:02  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. 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How you treat yourself matters and your actions teach others. Dig into this cheerful convo with Brad and LL today as they jump from kindness to the Time Cube, to goal setting.  If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:OPC's new team members!The difference of Occupational Therapy Determining realistic goals based on your situation Working your way back up Celebrating the things you have already done The importance of a time cube Actions are caught not taughtEpisode References/Links:Time CubeOPC Flashcards:OPC Flashcards are on AmazonOPC Flashcards are on our site  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.  ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable Pilates Social MediaInstagramFacebookTik TokLinkedIn Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:01  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to talk, we're gonna dig into the cheerful conversation I had with Natasha Caleel in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now, go back and get cheered up over on the other episode. And then come back and listen to how we decide this episode. Super cheerful. (Brad: Yeah) Yeah. (Brad: Awesome) Okay, so it's been a couple weeks, but we are excited to announce that we actually hired a few people for our team.Brad Crowell 1:14  Yeah, we did. (Lesley: So ...) And which is like, amazing, terrifying, exciting, all the things all rolled into one.Lesley Logan 1:21  Yeah, it's all those things rolled into one. And I think that's like, everything, like, everything is exciting. And then there's also like, the other side of it. So um, we, Lindsay, my Executive Assistant of four years, she's having a baby or had a baby at this point. (Brad: Yup) And she and her husband decided that she was going to be able to stay at home. Just be a mom, (Brad: Yeah) indefinitely. And so that was so exciting for her.Brad Crowell 1:47  Yeah. (Lesley: I'm so excited for her.) And super sad for us.Lesley Logan 1:49  I was like, "I'm so excited for you" with tears going down my face. And she had tears going down her face, which just means, you know, anyways, that's how life goes. So we're so happy for her. And it allowed us to put out a job posting. And honestly, I feel like this is the first time we've ever like, done anything like this. (Brad: Yeah) And we, one of the girls, I ended up talking to for a different reason, for OPC membership, and I was like, "This girl be a great assistant for Brad." And he wa... and he was like, "What am I gonna have an assistant do?" And my assistant was like, "Read your email. That's a year and a half to start with." Anyways, because of this big change in our business. It actually made us interview several people. And we're like, "We love all these people for different reasons." (Brad: Yup) So, Sam Hall is our is my new Executive Assistant. And I really love her and she's local. I've never had an assistant on the same timezone as me.Brad Crowell 2:44  Yeah, or the same anything (Lesley: I know) like she's in the same city.Lesley Logan 2:47  She's in the same city. Should we go to the same people? (Brad: Yeah) And all the same things. So that's fun. And Brad has an assistant.Brad Crowell 2:55  Yeah, Tika joined the team. And she doesn't live in Las Vegas but that's okay. We are the same timezone at least. She's in Southern California. And that it's it's actually, it's exciting. It's exciting to have someone that I can kind of pow-wow priorities with and just talk through different situations, and then also ask her to handle some of the things that you know, normally I've tried to get to, but I might not actually get to. So that's been really, it's, it's new, it's new, so it's good.Lesley Logan 3:32  I'm excited for you. And then we brought on this amazing woman named Kamilah, and she's in Texas, and she has actually been following our videos for a really long time. And she is super awesome. And loves Pilates and loves what we do. And she is helping us with our flashcard sales, which is really exciting because those cards need to be in every shelf. (Brad: Every... they need to be in everywhere) I want to go to every shelf, I want to see them in every bookstore, I want to see them in every shop because especially those mat ones, everybody needs these cards ... If you, if you're listeners and you're heard on my cards, you need my cards.Brad Crowell 4:04  But yeah, so basically this this rolls right into the qu... the listener question and that's kind of why we started talking about the new team. Someone asked, "I heard that those cards are available for wholesale, how does that work?" And ... (Lesley: How does that work?) How does that work? So actually, we we brought on Kamilah to focus on exactly that. And if if you are interested, if it's interesting to you to have these cards in your whether you have a studio or like a shop (Lesley: a shop) or any of that kind of stuff.Lesley Logan 4:40  So your friend has a shop, (dog noise) (and thank you Gaia) and also like hello UK, Europe. I have so many clients (Brad: Right) for you. (Brad: Yeah) So basically when you're a wholesaler you get to buy them at a different price than we sell them retail. Then you sell them retail and you make the profit which is really fun for you. And the truth is because these cards can be shipped all over the world. The shipping isn't is sometimes more than the cards, but if somebody buys them wholesale, the shipping is actually much cheaper when you buy in bulk, and then you get to resell them to your people or we'll send your people because I send our Australian, Canadian dealers, clients all the time.Brad Crowell 5:17  Yep, in New Zealand, same same story. (Lesley: Yeah, yeah) So, you know, anyway, we there will be a link in the show notes if you are interested in connecting with Kamilah and you can actually just fill out your information and then the two of you can hop on a call and figure out how does all this work? You know, to actually wholesale the flashcards and when this, well, we will have while the Mat and the Reformer flashcards are out and then we are very close for the Cadillac ...Lesley Logan 5:46  Yeah, you can preorder the Cadillac if (Brad: Yeah) you were wholesaling. We have, we yeah, so those are, those are all happening and they should be in a store that you have or near you. So if you know someone also send them to Kamilah. (Brad: Yes) Anyways (Brad: I love it) Yeah, it's (Brad: Cool) a great question. Thanks for asking that. And welcome to the team, y'all. I, it is like so crazy. It is so crazy. (Brad laughs) Like, I was going through, Brad's going, I was training Sam. And I was like, "Here, let's go to the people on the team. So you know, like, who does what?" And then I was going through and there's like five names like, I actually don't know who these people are. (Brad laughs) That's a little embarrassing on your first call with your new boss. I'm gonna assume we just, they must do our taxes, all the taxes, taxes, taxes. (Lesley laughs) I just gave everyone the tax job. I mean ...Brad Crowell 6:33  We have 35 accountants. What? (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 6:35  Yeah, yeah. But at any rate, like we have some incredible people that have joined this family. And people stay a really long time. And I'm really proud of us for that. I'm proud of the family that we build, (Brad: Yeah) the team we build and like the mission we're all working towards. And it is really cool to have people want to be part and support that mission. And (Brad: Yeah) I'm ex... excited for you. You might be in inbox only 3000 instead of 37,000. Giving me a heart attack.Brad Crowell 7:01  Yeah. Good things, it's already begun to change. So that's, that's kind of actually amazing as well. Okay, let's talk about Natasha Caleel. (Lesley: Yeah) A mother, Occupational Therapist and self starter who combined her expertise to specialize in prenatal and postpartum health. Natasha is now the owner of Fit Mama Santa Barbara, helping women embrace their strength and feel strong, confident, feel confident in their own skin.Lesley Logan 7:31  You know what? I just realized we're gonna have two Santa Barbara ladies on around the same time. So (Brad: Oh) yeah, we have (Brad: so cool) another Santa Barbara lady coming up. It was amazing. So ...Brad Crowell 7:40  I love that. (Lesley: Yeah) Well, one thing right out of the gate that I thought was really cool was her brief, I'm just inserting my own talking point here. I'm off (Lesley: That's fine) script, everybody. (Brad laughs) (Lesley: We rarely stick to the script.) Yeah, I know, it's a, it's just a guideline, you know, life, life lifes. (Lesley: We're having a good time.) You know we are having a good time. (Brad and Lesley laughs) (Lesley: Get out of my brain.) So she said, "An occupational therapist, as opposed to a physical therapist." And I thought, I thought, wow, I didn't even know. (Lesley: There's a difference.) I heard of them. I heard of them. But I don't think I ever really thought like, "Oh, what, what is the difference until it was pointed out?"Lesley Logan 8:14  I really thought it was like a therapist who went to your work like ... (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 8:18  Yeah. And I think I, so the way she described it was that an Occupational Therapist considers your environment that you're in. (Lesley: Yeah) Right. So it's not just like, what's wrong with the muscle that's in your shoulder or whatever. But, you know, do you have to, you know, lift your plates down from the top shelf and use that shoulder? Like, they help you in a, in reshape the environment that you're in, in addition to or focusing on your body.Lesley Logan 8:44  Yeah. And so like, you know, you you could maybe, maybe there's your lower back hurts because you keep reaching up on this one shelf. And so, you know, they you would be if you were just going to a ther... like a Physical Therapist, they would just work on your back. (Brad: Right) They would keep reaching up that top shelf, and then the Occupational Therapy like, "Oh, why are your plates there? Maybe we should put your plates over here." (Brad: Yeah) You know, or, "Let's get you a stepladder or let's strengthen this connection so that you can reach those plates (Brad: Yeah) because maybe you ..."Brad Crowell 9:11  Or call your, your your growing 14 year old and be like, "Get the plates instead of me." (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 9:16  Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I think it's, I think it's so cool. We keep learning about different people. Like there's so many jobs out there. So many things you can be in this planet. But um, I think it's really cool. I think there should be more people thinking holistically about everything that you're doing, because it's (Brad: Yeah) really difficult. And I mean, like, just that leads into what I love, which is like determining realistic goals based on your situation. You know, I just did a talk, the time we recording this, where about habits and I was in Boulder City, I was about habits and I was like, "Who here has like a like a thing that they're wanting to do?" And everyone raise their hand and I'm like, "Okay, so on a scale of one to 10 raise your hand if your ability to do that is above a seven." Ba ba ba ba ba down.Brad Crowell 9:59  No one raise their hand?Lesley Logan 10:00  No, because I said, "Yeah, because everybody wants to do something that's bigger than they can do. But your goal actually has to be something that you actually have a chance of doing. It should be a little bit of a stretch." And so this one girl, she said, "I want to be a morning person." And I said, "Wow, that's amazing. What does a morning person do in your opinion?" And she said, "Oh, okay, I'm going to get up, and I'm going to go for a walk. And I'm going to sit and meditate. And I'm going to read a book, and I'm going to, like, taken like, the morning, I was gonna, like, ease into it." And I'm like, "Wow, how much time do you think that is?" She just like, "I think two to three hours." I said, "Okay. (Brad: Wow) So co.. if I, if I said, set your alarm three hours early tomorrow, could you do it?" And she was like, "Oh, no." And I'm like, "That can't so the goal of being a morning person is not realistic. But the goal of maybe getting up and going for a walk. (Brad: Right) It how much time do you want to go for a walk?" She's like, "20 minutes." I said, "Okay, so if I ask you to get a ..." (Brad: So it was 20 minutes realistic.) 20 minutes. Yeah. So like, really, it's really important. I think a lot of us set ourselves up for failure from the get go with our goals, and then we are, and then we are, then we, because we do that, then it's like one more thing we didn't do. But it's like, if we actually set a realistic goal, we can achieve that. Oh, that means you'll get excited. You'll celebrate I've sensing a theme here this month. And then you can set the next goal. And you'll be you'll feel stronger and more confident going into it.Brad Crowell 11:22  Right. Wow. That's yeah, I think that the the, the three hour thing could still be a goal, but a long term goal, right? (Lesley: Mm-hmm) That's like something you can do in six months to a year. But what smaller, you know, bites, can you take out of that goal to get there. (Lesley: Yeah) Right? So the 20 minutes now that that seems achievable and actually it's it's it is achievable, and you can then celebrate that, and that can be a win, and then you maintain that win for a while. And then maybe you get up 40 minutes earlier, you know, instead of only 20 minutes earlier. Right. So that you can add the meditation in as well.Lesley Logan 12:01  Yeah, so and also you just get a, you get used to it. You're there's less like grogginess, you get mentally... it's just easier to set more realistic goals based on the situation you're in right now. (Brad: Hmm) You know, when I had a broken leg, I couldn't go, okay, when my leg is like, I can't go, "Okay, I'm going to start running." That's not realistic goal I could want to run, I could, you know, but I have to understand that like, my leg was a lot of weight on it. (Brad: Sure) What were some fitness goals I could do at that time. So just being honest with yourself. And so you're, you're not resentful of the situation you're in instead, you're actually seeing what is possible.Brad Crowell 12:35  Well, you definitely have just strayed into my territory of (Lesley: Okay) what I really loved.Lesley Logan 12:41  I like to dabble. (Brad: Yeah) (Brad laughs)Brad Crowell 12:43  She, Natasha said that there was major changes that she didn't expect when after she had her baby. I mean, she knew obviously, there will be changes, right? But she said, menta... mentally and physically, she had made the assumption that she would just like, "Get back on the horse afterwards, and like be good to go." And then realize that's not feasible to just like jump back to 100%. She had to work her way back up now is pretty funny, because we just had a really great conversation about running in ... (Lesley: two episode to go) Yeah, couple pods back and the idea of changes and postpartum I'm going to make the parallel to starting a new or having an injury just like you were talking about with your knee. And you know, when you she actually mentioned an injury as well. So like, if you were playing football all the time, and then, you know, you hurt your back really bad. You know, you're not going to be able to get back out there and just go full steam again, just like you used to, you got to work your way back up to it. And when you were talking about running you you mentioned that every because it's Vegas, and it gets like insanely hot here. You've actually stopped running for months (Lesley: Yeah) every year. (Lesley: Yeah) Right. And then when you start again, you can't just like run for miles, it doesn't happen. Right? (Lesley: No) So you got to actually, you said you are picking an incremental point, just like we were just talking about realistic goals. Okay, so that incremental point is, is like, only maybe six blocks, maybe that's like a half a mile or something, you know, so "Okay, so I'm going to run half mile, and then I'm gonna walk the remaining path," (Lesley: Yeah) you know, and then maybe a month later, you can add another half mile to it. (Lesley: Yeah) And now you're running a mile and then you're walking, you know, two or three miles after that, and then slowly, you're increasing your amount so that you can get back to (Lesley: Yeah) full steam.Lesley Logan 14:37  And then just you know, the increase is compounding because typically, you would only should increase your distance in your cardio about 10% a week. So 10% does not go on a lot that first week if you're only doing six bucks. (Brad: Right) But then the second week now that 10% is compounded, right? So and by the way, we're not saying (Brad: Mat) that if you're (Brad: Yeah) postpartum that that is like the same as an injury it's not but like it is a transition in your life and in your body. And I do like that she brought up mentally and physically because I think whether or not you will ever be postpartum that's not you know, in my cards, but I would, I think we assume that when something happens that either happens physically to us or mentally to us, but the two are very interconnected.Brad Crowell 15:23  Yeah, yeah. Yeah. All right.Lesley Logan 15:26  So cool. We love you Natasha. Okay, BE IT action item.Brad Crowell 15:31  Finally. You just steal my ... yeah (Lesley: I, you don't have script ...) Finally, let's talk about the BE IT action items that you have... Alright. Alright. So finally, let's talk about those BE IT action items that you have wiht Natasha Caleel. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with her?Lesley Logan 15:47  Are you going to jump in or you want me to jump in?Brad Crowell 15:51  I'm gonna jump in. (Lesley: Okay) So I'm gonna I'm jumping in because I picked two. (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 15:56  I see that. I can see, I was like, "Um, what?" You started off script today. You just were like, "I'm just like ... (Brad: I'm taking over.) If anyone knows the four tendencies, such a rebel here, such a rebel.Brad Crowell 16:07  Brad's cactus show. (Lesley: Mm-hmm) Oh, we're not talking about that. I know. (Lesley: No, no.) Okay, okay. So first off, I thought this was hilarious because apparently, this is something you do too. Natasha said, you know, when she sits down to do her to do list, she actually writes down all the things she already did, that were like floating around in her head. And then she writes them down and immediately checks them all off. And she's (Lesley: Yeah) like, "Look at all these wins, I just have."Lesley Logan 16:31  ... I mean, oh, my God, hello, I'm recovering overachiever over here. So like, I do it, especially on the days where like, (Brad laughs) I didn't check off. And I'm like, "You know what I also did, though, I did all of these. I drank my green juice. I made the coffee. I I fed the dogs." I like things that like I just put them on there. They're not on a to do list because I just do them. But if I if I'm needing a little extra, and my celebration ...Brad Crowell 16:53  A liitle boost. (Lesley: Yeah) Yeah. So I thought that was really funny. And I mean, why not? You know, because it allows you to kind of evaluate what you did this morning or that day or that week or whatever. And, and again, celebration is key. Right? So checking those things off is like a micro dose of I don't know what is happening in your brain exactly. But you're micro dosing. (Lesley: Yeah) So, (Lesley: micro dosing dopamine, that's what you're doing) Yeah, all those things. And and it's, it's a, it's very valuable. So the the actual thing I picked was setting a timer. (Lesley: Yeah) And, you know, you definitely mentioned, "Oh, Brad's gonna love this one." Because you're right, I actually love the idea of, I'm like, semi competitive, competitive when I when when it counts, but my, my ...Lesley Logan 17:43  He is not competitive at the gym.Brad Crowell 17:45  I've given, I've given that up like a long, long time ago, because I was so competitive, that it would shut me down and I would literally burst into tears as like a 10 year old, 15 year old, I would, I would like if we lost it was like, crushing for me. And then I it was really hard to get back on the horse. So took me a long time to let go of that intensity of competition. However, what I've, what I've found with this timer, is that it becomes a little mini race for me, you know, of like, "Okay, I've got 30 minutes and I got 75 emails. How many can I get through in 30 minutes? Go." Right And it keeps me focused because I have ADD of ADD, ADHD, I have all the Ds, all of them. And the... if I know I have a timer, I got all the Ds. If I know I have a timer, I actually unconscious of that. It keeps me coming back to my emails because what would normally happen... Yeah, is I go down this like crazy rabbit trail, you know, where I'm like a startup like, "Oh, an email comes in. Alright, makes me think of this thing. I got to do the thing." And then I'll just like, "Hoop. I'm no longer my email." I am like, down the path. Right? And having that timer in front of me, counting down is like, how quickly can I get like maybe I, maybe that's the thing I need to put on my list to do tomorrow. And I'm just gonna stay in my email and stay focused.Lesley Logan 19:04  Yeah, I you can set a timer for everything. I remember being a kid and my mom was like, "Okay, five minute pick up" and she'd set a timer and we would all be in the living room. And in five minutes, we'd see how much we could clean. And all if you have five people cleaning the living room in five minutes. It's clean. (Brad: Yeah) It's over. It's done and everyone's racing. And then it's like, "Okay, let's go into the kitchen five minutes." And it's such a like, it is a little mini. I mean, my whole family is competitive. So there's that but I and also this should be a timer, you can see. (Brad: Yeah) Because it does keep your focus if it is on your phone, it is likely that you will see another notification while (Brad: Right) you set your timer. So but ...Brad Crowell 19:41  Yeah, we are proponents of the time cube and we'll (Lesley: time cube) put a link in the show notes for the time cube and we we just love like, I love it because it's it's like it's substantial. It's actually like a cube that sits on my desk and it you know, like boop and blinks and beeps at me. (Lesley: And the beep is like ...) Wait, how's it like? (Lesley: ...) Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 20:05  It's really loud. (Brad: It sounded like a dog.) You know what it sounds like? I know. I ca... Well, I'm not like a, I'm not that guy from like cop show. What was that cop show from the 80s? (Brad: I don't know) Police Academy. (Brad: Oh.) There's this guy who could like make sound with his voice and it can make it sound a police siren. Anyways, it sounds like the chirping that your fire alarm, your smoke detector does at three in the morning when you're ...Brad Crowell 20:27  You're making it sound so appealing. Yeah, yeah. (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 20:30  Right. It makes you move. (Brad: It makes you move.) You're like, you like go click and you move on to the next thing. It's like it's like pulls you out of the flow. It's great. It's like a pop out. Okay, my biggest takeaway is "be a little kinder to yourself." Y'all, (Brad: Love that) you have to be kind yourself. If you're not kind yourself, especially my mom and pops out there. I promise you your kids ... (Brad: mamas and the papas) Yeah, I promise you, your kids are noticing that you're not. (Brad: Hmm) I know this, because ...Brad Crowell 20:58  They might not even realize that they're noticing it, but they are.Lesley Logan 21:01  So um, so I mentioned in another episode that I spoke at, in Boulder City about habits. And so there's like all these small business owners there. It was a very, it was really cool. It was a really cool thing. And way to go the studio BC because you guys rocked that it was you know, events like that are hard. But anyways, one of the moms there came up to me afterwards. And she's like, "Thank you for your talk. My daughter was like, Are you taking notes, you should be taking notes, or you listen to what she's saying, you should be doing this. You need to be taking care of yourself ... (Brad: Wow) things." And she said, I said, "Yeah, your daughter needs to see you do that because she needs to know that she should do it too when she's older. When she's a mom, or she's taking care of people." (Brad: Yeah) So if you are not kind to yourself, I promise you actions are caught not taught, you're literally talk... you're literally showing people how they should treat you, and how they should treat themselves. And so, you know, if I just if everybody was like a little kinder themselves, you would act like you, you might even think you're a very kind person. But if I actually printed out like your transcript of your brain, I bet you is not so nice. But if you're kinder to you, it's so much easier to be kinder to other people, because you're not resenting how much kindness you're spreading. (Brad: Yeah) Because you gave some to you first. So ...Brad Crowell 22:16  Yeah, I think also goes back to the changes from postpartum mentally and physically, like, as you're getting back on the horse, be kind to yourself.Lesley Logan 22:23  Yeah, especial... Oh, my goodness, I, you know, I hope that all the women having babies right now are living in a different time where like, we have demystified that like you have a baby. And then a week later, you have your pre baby body back. I hope that we live in that time ... (Brad: That's not how it works.) No. But I think you know, whether you're like whether it's during your pregnancy or after, like, goes back to have realistic goals, be kind to yourself, set goals that are realistic, that doesn't mean like it's not a goal, just because you can actually achieve it is like that's a good thing. Go work on that. And be kind to yourself and just with your expectations on on your body and what you can do, like, don't put 50 things in a day, if you know, you can only do 25.Brad Crowell 23:14  So guilty of that.Lesley Logan 23:15  You really are. So Brad, be a little kinder to yourself. (Brad: Okay) Okay. I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 23:22  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 23:23  Thank you so much for joining us today. And I'm just so grateful for Natasha and women like her and what they're doing in this world. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Let us know by screenshotting this, putting the takeaway on that and tagging Natasha, and the @be_it_pod so that we can also celebrate you and cheer you on.We actually will celebrate (Lesley: Oh) with you by the way. (Lesley: I love celebrating with people.) Like PS. (Lesley: I frickin love celebrate with people.) Like you can tag us and we are humans. We are here.All of our retreaters are tagging me and like they're like wins, like they're doing, "I'm like doing a rock right now. I'm doing my gemstones. I like did this. I got seven new clients." And I'm like, like, "This is so amazing." So I promise you, whether you're a stranger or someone I know, if you tag this podcast with your takeaways. I will encourage you, I will celebrate with you because I know how, I know that an extra step. (Brad: Yeah) I know that is putting out into the ethers like this is what I'm going to do, which makes you be a little bit more accountable to it. But also I want to, I want to help you, I want to celebrate you being kind yourself. So let us know. Tag the pod and we'll catch you on the next episode. Until next time, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell 24:27  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 24:30  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.Brad Crowell 25:03  It's written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli.Lesley Logan 25:14  Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing.Brad Crowell 25:18  Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. 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Brad is officially in Cambodia and Lesley is working to find her new hobby! This recap episode is all about making time for yourself and how to actually go about that in this crazy busy world. It's hard! Tune in for some tips to make time. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.coAnd as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:LL & Brad story of finding Lin The vulnerability of trying things you aren't the best at yetSticking to the plans that you make How are you investing in yourself? Letting someone you know you are thinking of them Episode References/Links:InstagramRetreatSend this to a friend: “Hey, I was just thinking about you. I hope everything's amazing." If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:01  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the sweet and delightful convo I had with Wild Honey Band in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now, go back and listen to that one and join us back here. Listen to this one, then listen to that one. You're gonna want to listen to all of them. Amanda and Brad listen to them three times. I mean, you know, it's go... I really loved them.Brad Crowell 1:12  They were fun. It was, I mean, they're there... I love their story of why they started a band.Lesley Logan 1:19  Oh my God, (Brad: And) also like, so I I just love that one girl didn't even have an instrument she played. (Brad: Yeah, yeah) She's like, "I'm gonna play the violin."Brad Crowell 1:29  Yeah. Actually, her story was also hilarious because she's like, "I guess I'm gonna not be the mom who sits in the back, and I'm gonna join all the 10 year olds to play violin." (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 1:41  I know. She did that. She did do that.Brad Crowell 1:44  I think that's funny.Lesley Logan 1:44  I think it's great. I think more, you know, there's that whole like, thing about like Dance Moms. But this is like, she's not being a dance mom. She's like, "No, I'm just actually going to be in the class." Like, "I'm just (Brad: Yeah) gonna do this. So ...Brad Crowell 1:54  She's not living vicariously anymore. She's just doing it. (Lesley: She's just doing it.) Well, good for her, I think that's amazing.Lesley Logan 1:59  Yeah, they all were really amazing and I'm so grateful. And I also, I'm so excited that we had three people on. (Brad: Yeah, that was fun.) And you know, it was it was, I mean, they were gonna be in person together so that they could play a song for us live. But at any rate, we still got to do the song on the show, which is also super fun. So anyways, um, technically one this episode is out. It's gonna sound like it's happening now. But we're recording it before Brad goes to Cambodia. (Brad: Oh, yeah.) And so as of right now, he'll be in Cambodia.Brad Crowell 2:30  I'm in Cambodia.Lesley Logan 2:33  At least a few days by now. (Brad laughs)Brad Crowell 2:35  I will be in Cambodia. (Lesley: Mm-hmm) So yes.Lesley Logan 2:38  So Clare Solly, who was on episode 19 17 15. (Brad: I'm have to look.) She was in the teens. She is going to do some recaps with me, which is really going to be a lot of fun. You'll have to let us know.Brad Crowell 2:52  Yeah, 19 good memory.Lesley Logan 2:53  Dude, I'm like ... (Brad: I'm impressed.) Anyways, thank you. So so you're gonna hear another voice on the show for some of the recaps coming up because the show must go on whether Brad's in Cambodia or not. And it's 14 hours difference. And I'm not about to do a recording when we have the very rare overlap of daylight hours.Brad Crowell 3:15  Yeah, the well, I'll be gone for almost three weeks (Lesley: Yeah) with travel time. And so during those days, during those weeks, you know, you'll probably do a few episodes with Clare.Lesley Logan 3:29  Maybe a few episodes with Clare, that's gonna be a lot of fun. (Brad: Yeah) I'm probably not recording videos. I've been trying to figure out how I'm going to record classes while you're gone. And I'm pretty sure the camera will always be crooked. (Brad laughs) Because if you look at my rails, everyone, I am aware that it's crooked. It looks straight when I set it up, and then you look back and it's crooked. And I'm like, "You know what, we're just gonna wait till he gets back. It's just not gonna happen." So, you know, you don't have to be perfect. But anyways, I'm very excited that you're in Cambodia and you're fixing of our house with my dad.Brad Crowell 3:58  Yeah, your dad's gonna come with and we're gonna get to go see our, you know, the people there that we call family. Our tour guide, Trey Peach and her husband Rotta and, and then Rotta's parents. And and then also we are excited if you haven't heard us talk about this already. We have actually now begun sending our pseudo adopted girl (Lesley: Yeah) not adopted in any way. But (Lesley: Yeah) but in our minds, she's adopted girl, her name is Lin. And she's 13 and she's wicked smart.Lesley Logan 4:39  She's wicked, smart. (Brad: And ...) I can't say ... for Boston. She's so smart, y'all. And (Brad: Yeah and we decided to send her to school.) We met her real briefly, we met her in 2018. She had no idea that she like had us these two people going on a hunt to find her. (Brad: Yeah) (Brad laughs) We had to find her again because she knew five languages and she was nine years old and she could flip through them so quickly and I can't even flip through, I can't even talk to the housekeeper that quickly. I have to like, think about it. And she flipped through five languages and the average, the average Cambodian child only goes to school until sixth grade. (Brad: Yeah) And, and that's, you know, where stray Lin lives, she actually lives in a in a village, very close to the temples. And so those kids actually they can, they do go to school, but they often also work and they have to sell, because it's the only way their family can make money as if everyone's working.Brad Crowell 5:29  Yeah, even if they go to school. Maybe they go to school like Monday, Wednesday, Friday, or they go like Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday kind of thing. And they're really only there for like, a couple of hours, like two, three hours max, you know, and, and so they are getting some education, but it's not like going to school, the way that I grew up going to school five days a week, and I like, whatever, 9 10 months of the year and 9 10 months of the year. You know, that's definitely not how it happens over there. And we were able to enroll her in a school that is five days a week.Lesley Logan 6:02  Anyways, back to stray Lin (Brad laughs) our amazing adopted daughter, who's not really at all adopted, but actually so we actually found her in 2020, outside of of ...Brad Crowell 6:14  First time we met her was 2018. (Lesley: Yeah) Then we were on a hunt to try to reconnect with her.Lesley Logan 6:18  We couldn't find her. We ... (Brad: to two years) two years, two other retreat groups, we still didn't find her. The third retreat group that we had after we met her was the March of 2020. And we were using a rest stop a little bathroom stop that we never used before. I've read of all the tours we've done. And Brad saw her.Brad Crowell 6:34  Yeah, we got the bus and I and there was like, there was all these people like, "Hey, come by my shirts, (Lesley: Cuz we are also ...) I got all this stuff. " And there's like a dozen, a dozen vendors yelling at us. And we got everyone coming off our tour bus to use the bathroom. And ...Lesley Logan 6:48  We were the only retreaters, (Brad: Yeah) only tourists in the country. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 6:52  Yeah, there was like nobody else but us to talk to. So everyone was like jumping on us, like, "Buy my stuff." Right? And I got off the bus and the group went ahead of me and I turned and I saw her and I was like, "Lin?" And I pointed at her and all of the vendors were like, "What the eerr?" Right. (Lesley: Yeah) They like, like, it was like everybody stopped yelling, and they like looked at me like, "How, how do you know? What?" And Lin looked at me like, "Who the hell are you? Why do you know my name?" Right? And I was like, "Is your name Lin?". And she she came up to me and we started to talk, I said "We met you two years ago." But at the temple, which is like a quarter mile up the road. So she wasn't far from where she apparently normally works and hangs out her stuff. And then Lesley was coming back from the bathroom. And I said, "I have someone to, to introduce to you." And and so Lin got a look like a little bit like, I ... (Lesley: She's like ...) only vaguely remember these people if there's anyting.Lesley Logan 7:52  ... no way she remembers us. (Brad: Yeah) And it's fine, because she sees thousands of tourists a year or even a month. And ...Brad Crowell 7:58  Yeah, I mean, there's four (Lesley: But we ...) and a half million people that go through Cambodian temples every year. (Lesley: Yeah) Now granted, it was March 2021 we ... No actually, so it had been full tourism (Lesley: Yeah) for the two years, like almost two years since we had met her for the first time. So there's a there's a very real chance that like 8 million people had gone through the temples since (Lesley: Yeah) we saw her last.Lesley Logan 8:21  And so we're like (Brad laughs) and so and we are like coming on hot. Like we're like, "We've been looking for you." (Brad: Right) Just poor girl like, "Oh my God, what are these Americans (Brad: Yeah, yeah) gonna do to me?" And ...Brad Crowell 8:31  But we connected her to our tour guide who like I said, we call her family Trey Peach. And we said, "Peach, can you please, you know, find out where she lives, like connect with her family, connect with her parents. We want to send her to school." And so you know, she they start speaking Khmer and all the things and Peach is like, "Okay, I know where she lives and I will go and introduce myself to the family. And we can figure it out." And we got all excited and then COVID (Lesley: The road is shut down.) Yeah, COVID shut all the schools down.Lesley Logan 9:00  So all the schools down, shut everything down. And so we basically have just been waiting for the schools to open up. But in the meantime, Trey Peach was talking with her, talk with her family, we found out she actually doesn't have parents.Brad Crowell 9:13  Yeah, we don't actually know the story behind that yet.Lesley Logan 9:15  No, but Brad gets to meet her (Brad: Yeah) and with my dad. And there's ... a new year while they're there. So I think you guys are gonna have so much fun. And I'm ...Brad Crowell 9:24  I'm a little worried, I need to brush up on my Khmer ... (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 9:27  Well, you know what, maybe we can get stray Lin on the phone. And actually, we could teach her English, she can teach us Khmer. (Brad: Yeah, yeah) (Lesley laughs) Because also, I think for them as well not having tourists for two years, all of their language skills, everyone's language skills dropped. (Brad: I know.) So (Brad: crazy) including here, people are just only able to text, they cannot look people in the eye. (Brad laughs) So at any rate, I'm excited you're there. I am very sad that I don't get to hang out with her. But they'll be more time for that.Brad Crowell 9:52  Well, we'll be going back later this year, (Lesley: Yeah) you know, to actually go on it on a retreat. (Lesley: Yes) And y'all are welcome to come with us. It ...Lesley Logan 9:59  You better come with us. It's not a retreat if we go by ourselves. (Lesley laughs) Brad Crowell 10:01  Yeah, obviously, but it'll probab... the dates, the exact dates have not been chosen yet. But we're looking at like November. (Lesley: Yeah) And we would love to have you join us. If you want to get on the waitlist for that. You can do that at onlinepilatesclasses.com/retreats. (Lesley: Yeah, so do that. All right ...) I think it's singular, retreat. Anyway,Lesley Logan 10:22  Yeah, go to the show notes and just click it.Brad Crowell 10:24  Yeah. Do that. (Lesley: It will be credit down there.) It will be in the show notes.Lesley Logan 10:26  That's what Amanda does ...Brad Crowell 10:28  Yes. Amanda is our epic producer. (Lesley: Mm-hmm)Lesley Logan 10:32  Okay, so do we have a question?Brad Crowell 10:35  Yeah. So this week, we have a question that is re... very relevant to (Lesley: my stories) your your Instagram stories. So this morning, you posted some green popcorn.Lesley Logan 10:47  I did. Okay. So first of all, I think I need to buy gloves and now that, now that like about me ...Brad Crowell 10:55  The challenge is out. (Lesley: Yeah) Chopsticks. (Lesley: Chopsticks.)Lesley Logan 10:58  Okay. That's what he said, chopsticks. Okay. And also, that's less trash. You know what I just gave my, the link and I'm gonna see if she can do a chopsticks that she can do a chopsticks and I know it's possible ...Brad Crowell 11:09  ... this is like a thing. People eat chips with chopsticks out of the bag, so they reach into the bag with chopsticks. Oh, this is a whole thing.Lesley Logan 11:16  Okay, okay, well, anyways. (Brad: Don't you worry.) So here's the deal, one of our friends, she loves to create a menu whenever we go and so we were there at her house for New Year's eve. We're at Sue and Stevens ... house hunt for New Year's eve, and she created spirulina popcorn. And she just started this fun like appetizer and I freakin shutdown. (Brad: Hmm) And I was like, "I know you've got muscles. I know you have like, some incredible like seven courses. And I like ..."Brad Crowell 11:43  A muscles like from the ocean muscles. (Lesley: Yeah, yeah) Not like Brad's got muscles.Lesley Logan 11:47  Right. But I ate the popcorn. Like I ate it all. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 11:51  Yeah, it was it was it was fantastic.Lesley Logan 11:53  My fingers were so green. But I ate it all. And I was like, "I need the recipe." And so we got the recipe and then we had people over in January ...Brad Crowell 12:00  Y'all, it's like it's a combination. So if you've never heard of spirulina, it is algae. Right? And it actually is healthy for your gut. And it has ... (Lesley: ... protein in it.) This spirulina has protein. Yeah. And then it has some type of yeast, which I'm drawing a blank on (Lesley: nutritional yeast) nutritional yeast. There's a (Lesley: garlic sauce) garlic powder. (Lesley: Oh, garlic powder.) There's onion powder. There's (Lesley: salt) salt and then and then a little bit of oil in there and you kind of mix it all up. And then it coats the popcorn. (Lesley: Yeah ...) And I realized, when I was making it last night, I was like it because of the oil and the yeast, it kind of like becomes like a big clump. And you have to like, really mix it in. So I was like, (Lesley: Oh, little cayenne) I felt like I was (Lesley: a little cayenne) Oh, lol that's right. There's a little bit of cayenne in there. So I was really, really like mixing this popcorn through the, the, the, the, the coating of the spirulina mixture that I made. And I realized that like I was treating the popcorn all delicate and then by the end of it, I was just like beating the popcorn to try to get it into the spirulina mix. (Brad laughs) And yeah, (Lesley: Anyways) it's it's got life.Lesley Logan 13:09  It's go... it's so good. (Brad: It's amazing.) And like if you have a really good containers, you can make, you can make a big batch and then like ...Brad Crowell 13:16  Yeah put them in like an airtight container. (Lesley: Mm-hmm) And it actually stores (Lesley: Oh my God) well for like days.Lesley Logan 13:22  I ate a whole bowl today. I took a picture and put it on Instagram. And now everybody wants that. So that's the recipe. Do it up. And you know what? It's like healthy popcorn. Like (Brad: Yeah, yeah) I remember putting those like shaker things on your like those little (Brad: Yeah, the fake cheese.) the fake cheese or the kettle corn or whatever ... (Brad: or a ranch, whatever) This is like your, it's so healthy. (Brad: Yes, way better than that.) It's so healthy. So anyways, (Brad: Yeah) okay. Thanks for that question. I'm glad you liked my stories. Keep, please send your questions in because we love answering them. They're so fun for us. Oh ... and also,Brad Crowell 13:56  This is my shout out to Emily's Garden Show.Lesley Logan 13:59  For those of you on the YouTube. You'll see Brad like not even quietly trying (Brad laughs) to get you to ask him to ask questions about his cactus.Brad Crowell 14:08  Yeah, yeah, yeah.Lesley Logan 14:09  Okay. All right. Let's talk about, let's talk about our guests. Huh?Brad Crowell 14:12  Yeah, let's talk about the Wild Honey Band. Three amazing women, Laura, Jessica and Shelby, who gave a purpose to their gatherings and in the process created an amazing band called Wild Honey. They're moms, musicians and professionals who have stopped apologizing for taking time for themselves and encouraging other women to do the same. And we met them in real life when we were in Calgary for Pilates Fest North. And at the end of the weekend, the band was there to perform for us. And one of them actually, I think she's a Pilates instructor. And so that's how the connection all came together. And it was a, it was so much fun to listen to them. They have been a band now for 10 years. And it was ... (Lesley: I know that was shocking to me.) It really, really impressive.Lesley Logan 15:01  I guess I didn't realize that what I asked them to be on. I think I don't know what I was thinking. So, but I, we heard them in Calgary when we were there. And (Brad: Yeah) I was like, "Listen, like all these women sounds so sweet, like, they make me think of like, the bands I listened to when I was a child in the 90s." And, you know, like, The Chicks, you know, and, and then they sto... their story, and I was like, "Their frickin be it till you see it, like, all the way like, all the way." So anyways, I am so glad that they took the time how we got three three moms of many children, if you heard like all daughters ...Brad Crowell 15:36  They have eight daughters between the three of them. (Lesley: Yeah and ...) No sons apparently.Lesley Logan 15:41  I know but syskey has all the fathers, like all the husbands were like all boys. So I think that was just the universe, you know, keeping things in check. Here's the deal, our script didn't update on my end. So I'm just going to go off with my memory. I ...Brad Crowell 15:54  Oh, you're taking time for yourself? (Lesley: Thank you. Find hobbies) Yeah and ... (Lesley: ... purposeful) Hobbies? (Lesley: wonderful) Yeah, nailed it. (Lesley: nailed it) Nailed it.Lesley Logan 16:02  So okay, when they talked about, you have to take time for yourself as a mom. Obviously, I'm not a mom and I'm so sorry, whether your mom or not every lady listening, we have to take time for ourselves and not feel guilty about it. And so, you know, they brought up how like, men have all these hobbies and like they watch football together. And like, I have girlfriends who are like when it's football season. They're like, yeah, my... you know, he's watching the game. So we're watching the game. And I'm like, "What, why why are you watching? Like, why aren't we doing whatever we want to do?" And so anyways, they they created their own hobbies be unapologetic about it, but I have been trying to find hobbies. I think I had them before the pandemic, or at least some things I like to do. But then, with the pandemic, with our move with the change of our companies. I have been struggling to figure out like, "What do I like to do for me?"Brad Crowell 16:53  Yeah. (Lesley: And ...) Well, what did you do for you before?Lesley Logan 16:57  So I really liked going to, I mean, I had girlfriends that I would hang out with we workout together, which is not a hobby, but we would work out together at that one gym, and then we would go and have backyard bowls and sit and they walk. We walk the bluffs, you know, things like that. I did a I used to, I used to read a lot. I used to have go to dinners. I know none of those things are hobbies. But like I did things with people on a consistent basis that made me feel like my cup was full. Here's a hobby, not a hobby. But this is what I did. I went to the Korean spa every month when I was home. (Brad: That's true. You did.) And I spent too much time there. I hiked, we used to hike all the time but I ...Brad Crowell 17:40  We used to hike, we used to do full moon hikes. That was actually tons of fun.Lesley Logan 17:43  Those were tons of fun. (Brad: Yeah) And so I just had all these little things, though. None of them were like necessarily weekly, but they were consistent. And they were like when I need it was time to fill my cup. That's what was happening. And so I'm currently unapologetically taking a lot of time for myself to figure out things I like to do. (Brad: Yeah) And we're, the jury's still out but we're working on it. We're working on it. I did a layer class. I'm apparently a natural. Of course. (Brad: Yeah) And I'm going to take a pole fitness class, like pole dancing but for fitness. (Brad: Put that out there.) I'm putting out... It's not you don't wear shoes. So I feel good about that.Brad Crowell 18:18  The ... so we're taking a course right now called The Artist's Way. Well, the book is The Artist's Way, the course is about the book. (Lesley: Mm-hmm) And one of the things that you are supposed to do is do an artist date. And it's a solo thing. You do it by all by yourself. And I think that it's so funny, because I don't remember the last time. I mean, we've been married now for six, seven, almost ... ( Lesley: I know) six and a half years.Lesley Logan 18:51  I know someone else asked how long we were married, and we were like, "ah." He was like, "Really?" And I was like, "I know." (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 18:55  Yeah, six and a half years. And you know, the truth is, you get to get into this habit of doing things together, which isn't a bad thing. But you very infrequently, like I used to just do stuff by myself before when I was trying to go meet people or try to go do something or my friend's band would play and I would just go. Right? And I don't know, you just kind of stopped doing that stuff when when you're with someone.Lesley Logan 19:19  No, I think honestly ... Brad, I think it's that with the pandemic. We didn't leave the house. (Brad: Well ...) And so (Brad: you know) you just got used to do and we also moved. And so then we were like our only friends in our city. (Brad: That's true. We did move.) And we are afraid of getting the COVID.Brad Crowell 19:34  Yeah, I mean, you you you right when we were in LA we were intentional about getting together with our friends. You had your girlfriends you would get together literally once a week. (Lesley: Yeah and ...) And you know, and I would I, when you did that I would go to the Thai place and get dinner by myself... (Brad laughs) (Lesely: Yeah, yeah) So there was still some of that (Lesley: I think ...) but you know, (Lesley: I think it's just out of the habit of it) Yeah, but also to it wasn't like, new stuff. It wasn't like, "Oh, I think I'll go to the Getty Museum." No it was like, it's like we were in a routine, it was the same routine was always the same stuff. And it was awesome and fun and it did fill our cup. But this course that we're taking has been very encouraging (Lesley: Yeah) with with trying, like intentionally getting out there and doing stuff that you, you maybe would have done once and you've just haven't done in a long time. Like ...Lesley Logan 20:18  I'm going, I'm going to a craft store, tonight. (Brad: Yeah. Cool. Love it.) Yeah. But you know what, also we don't I don't know where that anything is. So I have to like, look it up. And then I'm like, "Well, is this the best one?" So then, (Lesley laughs) anyways, so I just really love that they talked about that. I think more women need to talk about that. And the more of us that are doing that, the more of our friends who you might feel like you're letting down by saying, "I'm working on this hobby, the more." They'll be like, "Oh, I should go do that, too." So at any rate, let's set the domino effect of more women having purposeful time and hobbies that they're unapologetic about. Great. (Brad: I love that.) What are you loved?Brad Crowell 20:52  Okay, so the girls said, well, Laura was talking about letting yourself be vulnerable, when trying to do things you might not be good at yet. Right. And specifically with her, she was telling that really funny story about how she decided to start playing the violin, and how she had never played the violin before. And then almost immediately thereafter, the band started and she was like, "I'm gonna play the violin in the band in the band." Right. And, and she was like, that was there's a, there was a she had, I think, her first moment of ego that she had to get over was being in class with her daughter, and not being with the rest of the moms setting along the back wall and being like, "No, I'm pulling my chair forward and I'm going to take take lessons too." And, and she talked about, like, "I was a little uncomfortable there," you know, now she's like, in class with 10 year olds, and also the other moms are looking at her like, "What are you doing?" Right? And, you know, I said ego because, you know, we think of ego as like egotistical, and like arrogance, but that fear is also ego, "What are they gonna think of me?" That's also ego. And I was listening to a podcast series recently, that is, is performed by professional actors. It's a scripted podcast series by Marvel, and they have ...Lesley Logan 22:20  ... I'm like, "What podcast series? We listen to all the same ones?" Nope, no.Brad Crowell 22:24  No, no, (Lesley: not this one) I have a whole dozen that you don't even know. (Lesley: whooho) It's called Marvel's Wastelanders. And they did a whole thing on Black Widow. And it's, uh, I'm not going to get into all the specifics. But at the end, they had a couple of interviews with the team who was doing it. Right. And the one guy said as an actor, as a stage actor, or a film actor, you know, they have all these tools that they can use to convey the experience to the audience. And that's almost always visual. Of course, there's sound and talking and audio and all the things but like, if someone's going to, like, punch you in the gut, you can go, "oh," but you're also like, you're visually like, your face is getting and you're, you're tensing up all this stuff. And they said, you know, they're like, "We're just doing audio only. So we had to really make it ridiculous." And he's like, "That was like, that was hard. That was really embarrassing." And he said, "What the..." (Lesley: That's ego.) That's ego, totally. Is like that was that, you know, but there needed to be a sense of vulnerability that they were getting to, you know, through. And he said, what they did was they went and they pulled up, Hugh Jackman playing Wolverine, because there's a video on YouTube apparently, of Hugh Jackman playing Wolverine. And when he was doing, I don't know if it was an animated series or whatever he was doing. And Hugh Jackman is apparently doing all the the punches and the grunts and groans and the ah and like Hugh Jackman looks like an idiot. Right? Like, but that's what the job called for. And he does he does it anyway, because it's about the audio. So they were like, "Wow, like, okay, if he can be vulnerable and he's super famous, then I can be vulnerable. And I can do this podcast series." And ...Lesley Logan 24:13  And I would love to know what Hugh Jackman thought because he probably thought like, "Oh my God, I have to be so ridiculously over the top to make this done. This is like not as easy. I can just make the movie and be easier." Like, I'm sure like, it's kind of we never know what the other person is thinking. But like, you know, Amy Ledin and I think we even both talked about this on one of our episodes. Like, I had this ego of like, "Oh my God, does she want to work with me? Like, what you want to do this?" And like, and she had the same feeling, "I don't know if this girl's gonna work with me." Like, just so you know, whatever you're like little like sirens in your head or like, "I don't know if I should do this and so embarrassing." Everyone else (Brad: Right) is thinking the exact opposite in the same way. (Brad: Yeah) You're like, "Oh, I wish I could ..." I bet you those moms were like, "Oh, I wish my daughter would let me take class with her." You know, so anways. Brad Crowell 24:56  Yeah. Yeah, I always take solace in being the person who asks the questions for the group because I know I'm not alone. And so I'm willing to that that's what allows me in my head. That's the story, I tell myself to be raising my hand in a group setting and ask the question, because I know that there are other people thinking the same thing. You know?Yeah, that's great. I love, I love the word solace. (Brad: Yes) Let's take solace in that. (Brad laughs) Okay. (Brad: All right) BE IT action items.Okay. Finally...Lesley Logan 25:22  They have so many good stuff, though.Brad Crowell 25:24  Let's talk about the BE IT action items. What both, executable, intrinsic or targeted actions, can we take away from your convo with the Wild Honey Honey Band. So they said something, which I thought was really, it connected with me a lot. They said, "Show up to the plans you have made and believe in them." (Lesley: I love this.) And I think what they were specifically talking about was, you you had asked, "How does how does your family and friends, how do your family and friends respect your rehearsal time?" Because did it seem ridiculous where you were like, "Sorry, Mom's got a band practice now," you know, and like, the kids or whatever, the husbands or whatever, like work life, all the things. How did band practice become a serious thing? Right. And they they said, they said basically, they had to make the decision that this was serious. This was a real thing. And they were going to take it seriously, they were going to treat it as a real thing. And that posture, that belief in what they were doing, would then ...Lesley Logan 26:40  ... 100% being it till they see it, by the way.Brad Crowell 26:43  Oh, yeah. Being it till they see it. And that would permeate into other people's understanding that this is not a joke, you know, and, and so, you know, but the the second thing is, they said, "You got to show up to the plans that you made." So they pick Thursday nights, and Thursdays were rehearsal night at whatever time and, and they made a decision that they were gonna be there for each other. (Lesley: Yeah) You know, they still said they have fun, they drink a glass of wine, this, but that there's very much a decision to be there. And that they were going to take this seriously and go, you know, be in a band.Lesley Logan 27:21  Yeah, I so this is the same thing of like, if you put that you want to go to the gym in your schedule a certain time. I don't care how busy your day was, if the gym isn't on fire, and you can still drive to the gym, like every the freeway is open, everything is allowing you to go there except for your mind. You need to stick to the plans that you made and believe in it because you have that's how our confidence comes from. Confidence comes from showing up to the things you committed to. And those little things, those little things that you said you were gonna do, every time you flake on yourself for those little plans. So it's like seemingly little plans. You are actually under... under... (Brad: undermining) undermining, eroding ... (Brad: Yeah, eroding) (Lesley laughs) (Brad: under routing) under route, you're under routing. Your confidence in yourself to show up for yourself. And so ...Brad Crowell 28:11  You're undermining your belief.Lesley Logan 28:12  Yes. I cannot love this BE IT action enough. It is one of the best ones I think we've ever had. You know, and I it's not like, it's easy for us to like, Brad, sign us up for this Artist's Way thing. And I swear I thought he was gonna flake out on it. And then I could just like out too, because I'm like, "Oh, I I am a recovering overachiever and perfectionist. And so I have to show up for the things I signed up for." But I was like, "Oh, he's a rebel. If he doesn't do it, then like full permission." You know? And then like, I, but it's working. And we're showing up for it. And we're believing it. But like another thing, I sometimes you have to put your money there like, (Brad: Yeah) like the investment of it. You know, one of our retreaters said to me on the phone the other day, she's like, "Lesley, if your retreat hadn't been as expensive as it was, I wouldn't have shown up. I would have just let it go." (Brad: Yeah) So you may if you're someone who like consistently, like flakes out on things, and you want to change that, put some money that you like, don't want to throw away or behind it, and you'll show up for it.Brad Crowell 29:07  Oh, you you know you will because that was like painful to make that decision. And that will change your reaction to. I mean, that's exactly why when we are getting coaching for our businesses. Man, it's sometimes it's really hard to make that decision because you're looking at like, a couple 10s of 1000s of dollars for coaching. And you bet your ass that we're gonna show up for it. Right? So because that does not like that that's a scary number. Right? And that's but that's also on purpose, right? Of course the person that we've hired to be our coach, you know, we're paying them and they're, you know, but they're bringing value to the table that and we know that they're bringing value to table but it's more than that. It's also what is it going to take to get my ass into gear and go show up for it and really take it seriously. A lot of times it comes down to a price tag.Well and some and also like, there are some things that like we may be like, "Ah, we're this is really busy, let's just push this one to the next month." But it's like, "No, we actually paid for this advice. We have to ..." Like, it kind of forces us to do things that scare the living daylights out of us. (Brad: Yeah, a little bit.) So my big BE IT item that I love is text someone you love to let them know you're thinking about them. You know what, text, someone that you're thinking about that you're thinking about them. You have to love them yet, but (Brad: Right) like for those of you who are like feel like you don't have enough, like maybe you're lighting new friends. Well, text the person you're thinking you might want to be your friend, "Hey, did you see the moon tonight? It looks so amazing." (Brad: Yeah) Like, it doesn't have to be a question. You don't have to ask them how they are?No, I actually do this all the time is something I've been doing ...Lesley Logan 30:45  Tell us how you do it, because I do this really well with the people that I do it with all the time. But ...Brad Crowell 30:49  Oh, no, I do this with everybody ... Anybody that I think have ever. If I'm thinking of somebody, I reach out to them. And I literally just say, "Hey, I was just thinking about you. I hope everything's amazing." Sent. (Lesley: Yeah) That's it. Like it's not ...Lesley Logan 31:06  You can even, you can even copy that you'll from the show notes and put it in your notes and just copy and paste that anytime (Lesley laughs) you think of someone.Brad Crowell 31:12  Yeah. But I do it all the time. And I and often I don't hear back from people and that's okay. But like, I it's something that I started doing when I was in college. And I started doing it with my high school friends. We all had gotten cell phones at the time. And then we all went off to college. Right. And the whole point was basically that the the we're now no longer together, we've been together our whole lives, and then suddenly, we're gone. You know, I like grew up with these kids. And then you know, and then and then what we're supposed to forget about all that. So I started texting everyone like, "Hey, hope you're doing well. Hey, I hope college is awesome. I hope all this stuff." And it became something that I've maintained over the years.And you know what? Also send those to the people you think are the strongest. (Brad: Yeah) If you with some... if you think that somebody is like, "Oh my gosh, like, they're so strong." I will say like, during the pandemic, a lot of friends reached out to a lot of people and then like I reached out, and they're like, you know, they said, "Oh Lesley I'm so sorry, I haven't reached out to you. I just know that you're so resilient." And I'm like, "Yep, I'm over here resilient, all alone." (Brad: Yeah, yeah) I would be really nice ... (Lesley laughs) being resilient. So I just say like ...And if you don't have their phone number, you know, you can ... (Lesley: DM on Instagram) Yeah, send them a DM on Instagram or (Lesley: email them) or, or message them on Facebook or something you know and and and the same thing goes with family. You know, we got cousins, aunts and uncles that we only talk to occasionally but it there's something really incredible about opening up your text and getting a text with someone that's just like, "Hey, I hope your day is amazing."Lesley Logan 32:44  Well, what also people just want to feel seen. So maybe you (Brad: Yeah) hear a song and you just send them a song. Like yesterday, I sent you and your sister (Brad: Yeah) a song. And I totally I mean, obviously I talk to them all the time. But we talked about work. We don't actually just like send something funny or whatever. And and so I sent them a (Lesley laughs) terrible song.No, it's a great song. Are you kidding? It's an inside joke song. (Lesley: It's an inside joke song.) It's incredible.I just texted the two of them. No, no explanations. And then and then they listened to it and it made them laugh (Brad: Oh yeah) and it brigthen their day. So like, so anyways, that is my BE IT action item for you from these amazing women. (Brad: Yeah) Thank you to the Wild Honey Band. (Brad: Yes) Ladies, you are just an inspiration. And you you know, not just in the music that you do, but in the way you built your lives and the way you do it. And I I, their daughters are the luckiest daughters ever.Brad Crowell 33:31  Pretty cool. What an awesome example.Lesley Logan 33:32  Yeah. I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 33:34  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 33:35  Thank you so much for joining us today. We are so grateful you're here. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Let us know by sending a DM, tag the @be_it_pod with a takeaway with the BE IT action item that you're implementing this week. And also tag the tag the Wild Honey Band or whoever if maybe you're listening to a different episode. And you remember this, that's fine. But please let us know because it let's, it let's people know like what helped, what helped you in their life and it gives them a little like, making making them feel like you are thought of them.Brad Crowell 34:02  Yeah, why don't you go ... Why don't you go DM the Wild Honey Band and say, "Hey, I just heard you, you know on the BE IT pod. Thanks for sharing your story."Lesley Logan 34:11  Yeah, that's it. Just text that, that's DM that. That's all you have to do. (Brad: Yep.) So anyways,Brad Crowell 34:15  They're out of Canada, out of Calgary. (Lesley: Yeah) So there are a few Wild Honey Bands, I want to say it's, well we'll put the link to their IG. (Lesley: They're Wild Honey Band Three) Three. Yeah, we'll put the their Instagram link in the show notes. (Lesley: Yeah. So do that) So give them some love. Tell them "thanks."Lesley Logan 34:30  And until next time, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell 34:31  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 34:34  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.Brad Crowell 35:07  It's written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli.Lesley Logan 35:18  Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing.Brad Crowell 35:22  Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. 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In today's episode LL and Brad talk about the awareness and hardships of foster youth, where fear leads, and following your gut.  If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Lesleys experience with foster youth The path is not always linear to where you are headed Fosterpreneur Showing up for yourself and following your gut The intersection of opportunity and preparation Fear as a flashlight Episode References/Links:Profitable Pilates retreatsThe Gift of Fear  OPC Flashcards:OPC Flashcards are on AmazonOPC Flashcards are on our site  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.  ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable Pilates Social MediaInstagramFacebookTik TokLinkedIn Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:01  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the eye opening convo, I had with Kelly Slattery and Marisa Polvino in our last episode about foster youth. If you haven't listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now. Go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us or you can listen to Brad sing again, (Brad: Oh, yeah) cuz I definitely did not leave enough time for them to edit that out and that's fine. (Brad laughs) Okay, well, so as we speak, today is Mama Lisa's Birthday. (Brad: Whaaat) Happy birthday Mama Lisa.Brad Crowell 1:20  Happy birthday Mama Lisa. If you're wondering who that is.Lesley Logan 1:24  That's my mom. (Brad: Oh, here we go.) And she goes by Mama Lisa to everybody. (Brad laughs) (Brad: Yeah) And it's her, I mean shout it out because whatever. It's her 60th (Brad: Whaaat?) birthday.Brad Crowell 1:34  That's a big deal.Lesley Logan 1:35  I know. This year, we got her 60th, your 40th, my dad's 70th. I'm the freaking youngest one here. (Brad: Yeah) Thank the Lord.Brad Crowell 1:42  Yeah. (Lesley: Anyways) Those six months, whoo! (Brad and Lesley laughs)Lesley Logan 1:48  Oh get planning on your birthday because I'm already planning mine. But um, anyways, Happy birthday Mama Lisa, we love you.Brad Crowell 1:54  Happy birthday.Lesley Logan 1:55  You too can wish her happy birthday. I actually don't know her Instagram handle as we're speaking but I don't even know that she just does it. But she's (Brad: I was gonna say, I don't think...) on Instagram. She's Lisa Friesen. And she will love it. She'll love the shoutouts. If you want to just actually ... to do this. If you want to just screenshot this podcast and put "Happy Birthday Mama Lisa" and tag me the @be_it_pod. I will send them to her. So let's just do that. Let's just do that. (Brad: That sounds fun.) Yeah. So we'll just shower her on her birthday.Brad Crowell 2:27  And now I'm on a mission. I'm gonna find it.Lesley Logan 2:28  I know. I think it has numbers in it. It's, you know. Okay, the other thing that's happening right now is that we're in the middle of the Profitable Pilates in real life, (Brad: Oh, yes) retreat.Brad Crowell 2:41  It's happening all around us (Lesley: Oh, my God.) this moment.Lesley Logan 2:44  Bassness. It's so freakin' awesome. (Brad: I think, it's technically badassery.) It is badassery. (Brad laughs) I love it. I love it. I'm into it. So everyone arrived yesterday and we are in deep and workshops today. (Brad: Oh yeah) And, you also you too, can actually snag one of the last few spots left because we opened up the doors for the next in real life business retreat.Brad Crowell 3:08  That's right. If you are feeling all the FOMO right now A. (Lesley: of course you are) should be, (Lesley and Brad laughs) B. get yourself to the next retreat that we are going to host here in Vegas, in the fall.Lesley Logan 3:24  Yeah. We're in the fall, oh my gosh, the weather and the fall. It's like the best days of summer wherever you are minus humidity if you're from the south and so y'all are welcome we actually rent out Airbnb's for y'all. We take care all of it. You just have to get yourself on a plane, get your booty here and we have self care and all and that is involved with all community. And all the tactics that actually are what you need to grow your business. (Brad: Oh yeah) And and I actually love that we're talking about this on this episode because it goes with some of my talking points you know when we get to them you'll hear why. But the reality is is like you cannot, like you can absorb all you want on a podcast (thank you so much) on on social media. You can take all the courses but there is something very special unique about getting in person down and dirty into your business with other people doing the exact same thing. Brad and I have made sure we've done in person business stuff. Gosh, since 2018 and (Brad: Yeah) it's changed our world. So anyways, profitablepilates.com/retreats.Brad Crowell 4:29  Yeah, (Lesley: So all details are there) just just make the deposit and lock in your spot. (Lesley: Yeah) Don't wait because the last one filled up in literally a week.Lesley Logan 4:37  It sold out in a week. Mm-hmm. Yeah, did. Oh, my God, I'm frickin' I'm in love with my week right now. Okay, so babe (Brad laughs) you have a question?Brad Crowell 4:46  Yeah. Okay. So, I decided that thank you for submitting your questions. But I decided to push everybody else off a week, because I have a question for Lesley. (Lesley: Okay) And, I kind of this question comes from the convo that we had in the last episode, where we were speaking with Kelly and Marisa. And something I didn't know about you was that you have a big heart for foster youth. And, you know, the foster care program. You have some experience with that. And when we were first talking with the ladies, a couple months back, that was news to me. (Lesley: Oh, I know, you had no idea.) Yeah. (Lesley: Okay) So I wanted to ask you to share your story and your experience.Lesley Logan 5:41  So y'all we were, we were just having a call with Kelly. I didn't actually know we were gonna have this call. We're on the road and Brad's like, "We have a meeting with, you know, this company." And I was like, "Okay," I was actually not feeling super hot. And I was, we're even driving for a week at that point. And I hadn't showered for quite a few days. So anyways, we get on the call. And I'm really excited because once Kelly started talking, I frickin' obviously, as you heard, fell in love with her and Marisa and their mission. And anyways, as you heard on the podcast, we were looking for particularly a retreat or a treat. Clearly, I got retreats in my mind, were looking for a charity that had to do with, you know, climate change and things like that for OPC. And I...Brad Crowell 6:22  I'm like, super passionate about plastic waste. (Lesley: Yeah) I can't deal with it. (Lesley: He can't deal.) It makes me like, it frustrates me beyond, I can't understand how much plastic waste we create as a so... a so... (Lesley: society) society. (Lesley: Yeah, that's a lot of whistling there.) It frustrates me. Yeah. shh shh shh. I know.Lesley Logan 6:40  I hijacked the charitable organization at that moment because to be honest, I as we're talking with Kelly and Marisa and their mission on this planet, and what they're doing with Barely Canadian. I said, "Oh, I'm obsessed with foster care." I'm I like, I'm really truly like, obsessed with it. And so, so what I did was, I just said, "We're gonna donate this year's OPC donations to one of your organizations." And Brad was like, "What?" And I was like, "Well, I grew up with the fos... with foster care in my life. Well, here's what happened. So growing up as a kid, I, my parents, my dad worked for the post office, everyone. So the the funny joke growing up was, I was, my father was the mailman because I guess like back in the 80s. The joke was like, "if the baby didn't look like the dad, then it must have been the mailman." I don't know, weird jokes, anyways. But my dad was mailman. And one of his co workers from, you know, like, mail times was this guy and his wife who had three girls and they're really young. And they had this huge property, huge massive property. And they had this big house, all these spaces, and their daughters were getting older, and they like missed having young kids. And so they became foster parents. (Brad: Hmm) So we would go to their house because either their daughters would babysit us or we would go to their house. And they had all these kids all the time, all the time. And like there was cribs with babies, and there was kids of all ages. And I just grew up knowing about foster care and foster youth and like that these kids were there because either their parents were going through some hard times, or like they really were careful to make sure that I treated these kids as like, they are just part of the family. (Brad: Yeah) And my parents tried to be foster parents, but we didn't have an extra room for fos... the foster kids. So we couldn't be foster parents. (Brad: Gotcha) So my parents actually took in teenagers who were kicked out of their parents house, because... (Brad: Oh, my parents did the same.) Were they pregnant because my mom... (Brad: No, no) (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 7:59  They were, they were usually guys.Lesley Logan 8:56  Oh, yeah, no, ours were pregnant. And I think each time when they got taken back home because their parents finally let them in. My mom was sad because she loved the babies. But (Lesley laughs) anyways, anyways, that's another story. So I, but what's funny is I grew up lining my dolls up and adopting them I was never the mom, I would just adopt like I just thought that's what you did like it's just normal thing everyone does babies. And um, so anyways, I just have this passion for people who work with the foster care system because it is, look it is, it's like, it's like, it fostering dogs has more like win (Brad: support), more support (Brad: Yeah) and also like just more, there's just more out of it like when you foster kids and youth, it's it's actually like really freakin' hard because there's so much trauma that comes from it. Kids are getting pe... they get bounced around. (Brad: Yeah) And it's just really ...Brad Crowell 10:03  Like establishing trust is not even impossible, I mean.Lesley Logan 10:06  And the people who are foster care parents? Foster, (Brad: Yeah) whatever, (Brad: foster parents) yeah, they, they themselves are a special unique person, because they're less likely to be business owners or people who are working 40 hours a week and more like people who have the ability and have the time. But maybe it's just, it's just hard. So anyways, here's the deal, what I saw was, babies get adopted all the time. And when the kids are over five years old, they're not getting adopted. (Brad: Right) And I saw this with as a child, because, you know, I would go over there and like the babies would disappear but the older children didn't. And my parents' friends would actually ended up adopting several of these adult children, and that that they were allowed to adopt. And that's beautiful and that's amazing. But they couldn't adopt every one of them. And also, like, I never was the person who is like, I'm going to like, go and have kids in my life. But what I do see is, are at least in this particular country that we currently live in. The as we talked about in the episode last week, the majority of the homeless population is because of foster care systems. So these 18 year olds, they they age out whether or not they're still in school or not. Can you just imagine, like, imagine how you were at 18?Brad Crowell 11:30  I just want to clarify, I don't, don't, I don't know if majority is the right... Lesley Logan 11:34  Yeah, they said (Brad: were) over 50%. (Brad: They said over 50%?) Yeah. Marisa is very in on this. (Brad: Oh) Yeah. (Brad: Well, the that's...) (Dog bark) 30% of the homeless is, is from the foster care system.Brad Crowell 11:45  We actually met a whole bunch of kids who lived in the park near where we lived in LA, (Lesley: Yeah) who, now that I'm aware of this statistic (Dog bark) makes me wonder if they were also part of the foster system.Lesley Logan 12:00  Yeah, it's like, it's a really sad thing because like, I don't even know how you fix the problem. So what all these different charities that are working with, you know, foster care and foster youth and helping out with adoptions. They're really trying to do the best they can to, to work within what the system is. And I I. So I am passionate about it, because yes, we lived in LA with lots of homeless people. And they're homeless for a variety of reasons. And then I grew up with this. And so I, I just see, like, how, how can we help the future adults in this world have love, support and possibility. And if you grow up, you know, Tiffany Haddish, she also was in the foster care system. And she has a charity where you actually give your used suitcases to (Brad: Yeah) to foster kids because they move around so much. And they most of their clothes get put in trash bags. And her whole idea is like, if your clo... if you are moving with a trash bag, then what else are you supposed to think about yourself? And like having a suitcase (Brad: totally) makes you like, like, that is (Brad: a human) a human being. (Brad: Yeah) And so anyways, like, (Brad: totally) y'all, I teach Pilates, I teach business. If I didn't do any of this, I clearly I have a thing for the kids in Cambodia and for the and the youth here that don't have that, that may not see the light at the end of the tunnel. They may not see possibility that I was given. I was told if I work really hard, I can have whatever I wanted. (Brad: Sure) But that's also because like, even when I was homeless, I wasn't homeless, you know. And these kids, if they're homeless, we're talking, they're homeless. And so I just this is why I'm very passionate about it. I'm freaking obsessed with Barely Canadian, I'm obsessed with Echoes of Hope and, and Kidsave and what they're doing. And if, if, if ... watch out (Lesley laughs) if I end up getting involved too much, I may just be like, "Oh, who else is teaching?" (Lesley and Brad laughs) But anyways, this is my thing. And while we currently are not fostering or adopting, I don't think it's outside of the realm of possibility for us, but for right now. We'll take our our extra income and give it to those who can use it to help these kids.Brad Crowell 14:28  Yeah. Well, thanks for sharing that. Definitely ...Lesley Logan 14:32  It's a long story. Sorry, everyone, but that's the question. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 14:35  No apology needed. Not at all. Yeah. Okay. Now let's talk about Kelly Slattery and Marisa Polvino. (Lesley: Aren't they the coolest duo?) Yeah, they're really, they're really ...Lesley Logan 14:48  I can't wait. Also, Marisa posted some tennis shoes. And she's like, "Yeah, these are up my alley." (Brad laughs) And I was like, "Oh, well, me too." So we are, so amazing how like attracts like.Brad Crowell 14:59  So, a connector, a Canadian and a creator. Kelly Slattery is a former film producer, actor, singer, singer songwriter, oh sorry songwriter and singer, a foster care advocate with a heart for foster youth who are aging out of the system. Kelly founded Barely Canadian with her two foster kids. Barely Canadian is a social enterprise that donates 20% of proceeds to nonprofits that support foster youth. (Lesley: Yeah) And Marisa Polvino is a passionate film producer and founder of Straight Up Impact. A content agency that creates thought provoking work, works, including feature length films, to drive positive social change. Partnering with Barely Canadian, Marisa is also dedicated to showcasing the systemic issues in the foster care system. And I think she even referenced it on the episode. She's working on a documentary about it right now.Lesley Logan 15:55  Yeah. So I mean, I mean, obviously, these two women knew each other. And ...Brad Crowell 16:00  Yeah, they've known each other for a long time. (Lesley: And it's ...) And Kelly said that she started it. And Marisa was like, "Why am I not involved?"Lesley Logan 16:07  Yeah, I love it so much. And I hope that like you're inspired by that in your own way. But um, I think it's so interesting, because if you look at their bios, you might not even expect them to be doing this, because like, they're singer songwriters in the industry. (Brad: Sure) And so I challenge you listening to this, like you... you don't have to, like have gone a certain linear path that leads you down this road. Like a road to doing something that you are passionate about, like, you didn't even know, I was like (Lesley laughs) that I wanted to support this. And we found a way to, to weave it into the thing that we already are an existing and doing and so I just love what they're doing. I love how they're using their connections, their their skill sets, and, and the power of the community that they've already cultivated. And then they're learning along the way like this inspiring AF. Brad Crowell 17:01  So it's, it's really cool. I mean, I if you go back and you look at Barely Canadian, I thought it was really neat to see her kids like so they started it because they wanted to create an example for their two foster kids. And she and her husband were talking about and they're like, "What if we started a business that they could participate in, to show them that we don't necessarily have it all together, either. We're still learning we're growing, we're figuring it out." And what a better way, then to create something that they can get excited about and start to see actual impact through the way that the company is growing, and then working and donating and supporting these other organizations. So I thought that was brilliant.Lesley Logan 17:52  Yeah, I really do love it. And I love their mission behind it because obviously, she is working, she's adopted one and they're working on adopting the other. (Brad: Yeah, exactly.) Yeah. So that's really cool. (Brad: They both in their teens.) What we didn't get to talk to about which we'll bring them back for another episode is their fosterpreneur thing. And I share this with you because you all if you're listening to this, and you want to make an impact. Like, if you can help teach people. It's that whole cliche, is it a cliche? Is it a meme? It's like, if you if you teach a person a fish then they can eat forever, like the thing? (Brad: Oh ...) What's the thing like the it's ...Brad Crowell 18:31  Hold on. Give a fish versus teach them to fish.Lesley Logan 18:34  Yeah to give them the fish they eat for an evening, if you teach them fish they eat forever. So it... they all can look it up. Anyways, um, they know what I'm talking about. To be honest. It's been around.Brad Crowell 18:43  If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. (Lesley: Yeah) If you teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime. (Lelsey: Yeah, so...) I guess we'll call that a parable. (Lesley: A parable) I don't actually know what it is.Lesley Logan 18:53  Yeah, it's like ASAP stables. So um, so what I loved about the fosterpreneur thing, and oh my gosh, if, like when we're involved, watch out. Like, (Lesley laughs) I feel like I'm so excited about this because (Brad laughs) what I do love about it is like, I can only imagine if I knew how to run a business 15 years ago, where I would be (Brad: Right) today ...Brad Crowell 19:16   At 15 or whatever. (Lesley: Yeah ...) I don't know how old their kids are but yes.Lesley Logan 19:20  Yeah. But if I, but when I was a teenager, I didn't even know you could work for yourself. I lived in a town where you worked for other people. (Brad: Sure) And you had to ask for a raise that was 25 cents an hour. And so I didn't know that you could actually work for yourself. And I love about this fosterpreneur thing is like let's just say these, these kids don't end up with parents. Right? This program really does teach them how they can create their own business and what what Kelly is doing with her with her kids is showing them this because you know what the other the other side of the coin is like where the world is going is the more, you, they is that people who have ideas that are going to leave this world. If you have ideas, and so I just love it so much. I'm so into it. So anyways, one of the other things that they said, obviously I'm in love with them, they're my new best friends. Is Kelly mentioned, like learning as you go and learning with others. And I love this because perfect is boring. You don't have to have all of the I's dotted the T's crossed before you hit go. Like you. Sometimes just like starting the engine, you're gonna get some ideas, and you're gonna learn from your mistakes. And like, it's better to do that than like, wait, wait until you know everything because you're not going to know everything. There's all the way technology changes on a daily basis, the way that social media (Brad: Yeah) changes every frickin' week. You know, it's like get started and then the learning with others. It's like being in community like, she has Marisa and then they're and they're working, we're collaborating together.Well, I mean, it goes right back to the kids. Learning as you go and learning (Lesley: Yeah) with others. Right? So she's learning and with her kids and setting an example for them.Well, it's an example that like, you don't have to have all the answers to get started. (Brad: Right) And I, gosh, can you imagine? Like, what if that was what you were told when you're a kid? If that was ... (Lesley laughs) (Brad: It's pretty powerful.) I love it so much. What did you love that she said or they said? (Brad: So ...) This our first duet.Brad Crowell 21:24  Yeah. (Lesley: It's a they) Is it? Yeah, I think it is.Lesley Logan 21:27  Mm-hmm. We (Brad: Alright) we have a threesome coming on. But ... (Lesley laughs) (Brad: Trouble, trouble.)Brad Crowell 21:31  I really loved when Marisa was talking about showing up for yourself and following your gut. And I thought, I thought that this fit in totally with, you know, be it till you see it. (Lesley: Mm-hmm) Because I actually, you know, it made me what it made me think about was my coach who told me, "Brad, you are using language that is non committal. And you're not even committing to yourself."Lesley Logan 22:09  Oh, who said that?Brad Crowell 22:11  Adrian said that. (Lesley: Oh) My coach.Lesley Logan 22:14  When is Adrian coming on the pod?Brad Crowell 22:16  Yeah, great question. Yeah. We're gonna have to, we'll have to get him in. But he, you know, show up for yourself and follow your gut. And the show up for yourself part really, like struck a chord with me, because, you know, what is showing up for yourself mean? It sounds good. (Lesley: Mm-hmm) But like, what does it mean? Right? And, and that's, I think that we, we make a commitment to our jobs, we'll make a commitment to our kids, our families our whatever, that kind of stuff. But then like, when it comes to making the commitment to, to Brad, to me, I've just kind of like, "Well, that's all good, whatever, like, I don't really need to get up and do my workout." I don't really need to, you know, whatever. Like I said, I'd eat healthy, but I'm only letting down myself. So it's all good. You know, and, and Adrian really challenged me on that because my, my, the the lack of boundaries that I was setting for myself was actually spilling over into the rest of my life without me even realizing it.Lesley Logan 23:25  Oh, yeah because you (Brad: Yeah) can't you can, we all can feel like we can compartmentalize, but you actually can't. (Brad: you know ... well, yeah) You're the same person, everybody the same.Brad Crowell 23:34  So so for me, it was deadlines, right. I was like, not really committing to a deadline. And then that meant when with the team, I was not holding the team to deadlines, either. And I didn't actually realize that, that that was happening. So anyway, showupping, show up for yourself and follow your gut. So the second half of that, following your gut, that's interesting, you know, there's a lot of intuition there. And there's a lot of like, you know, being in tune with your, yourself, your body. But there is, we have these notions that just happen to us, like, "Do I trust this person? Or do I not trust this person?" And even though you know, like, we have the mental capacity to override our gut, because of the way we think.Lesley Logan 24:25  Well, logical. (Brad: Right. Yeah) That's not what you're supposed to do, though. (Brad: No) It's intuition.Brad Crowell 24:29  Yeah. And following your gut, you know, it's, it's ...Lesley Logan 24:34  We quoted this book already, "The Gift of Fear." We quoted it like two episodes ago, y'all frickin' read the book ...Brad Crowell 24:39  I was, I was gonna talk about, I was gonna talk about our dogs.Lesley Logan 24:42  Oh, tell me about the dogs. How amazing they are at not being great. (Brad and Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 24:47  Yeah, about how many times they've already barked in this episode a lot. (Lesley: This episode, specifically.) No, like I think that it's a common you know, preconception that well, dogs know, when a person's trustworthy or not (Lesley: Mm-hmm) No, they that's like the I would say that that's what most people would, would say. Right? (Lesley: Yeah) And I think that we also know when a person is trustworthy or not.Lesley Logan 24:48  We do. This, so in the in, so the guy who wrote the book - The Gift of Fear, he literally did an interview saying, "Your dog barks that person because you don't trust that person."Brad Crowell 25:25  Right? So it's actually the dog reflecting you. (Lesley: Yeah) You're just aren't in tune with you.Lesley Logan 25:30  No, cuz you're (Brad: Yeah) using logic to go, "Oh, if I don't get an elevator with this person, they're gonna think that I'm being judgmental." No, you didn't like that person. There's something in you that was like, "Hmm, this is not a good person." And now you're trying to like justify, like, "I don't want to be mean. And I want to be a bevers..." Get in a different elevator. Your dog doesn't like that you don't like that person. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 25:51  Right. Yeah. Yeah, totally. (Lesley: Yeah) Anyway, I thought these two things were incredibly profound. And she had just said them in one sentence, "Show up for yourself and follow your gut." And I was like, "Let's dig in."Lesley Logan 26:06  Let's dig in. And also like, I would love to know what that means for you. If you're listening to this. I mean, I love these I think just that can be, you can make your own personal definition of that. And I hope that you all do. Okay, (Brad: Yeah) BE IT action items.Brad Crowell 26:18  Alright, so finally, let's talk about the BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from our convo (Lesley: I know cuz you were on the episode.) with Kelly and Marisa? Yeah, by the way, if you didn't see me on the episode, don't worry. I was still there.Lesley Logan 26:34  But if you're listening to the episode, you did hear him. So (Brad: Yes) there you go. And if you're watching, you still heard him you just watch someone else's face. (Brad: Yeah) (Lesley laughs) Okay, what did you like? (Brad: Yeah) What did you get?Brad Crowell 26:45  So you know, Kelly had a quote at the end that she attributed, attributes to her dad and I thought it was amazing. And he said the harder you work, the luckier you get. (Lesley: Yeah) And I love this for I think that there's like this... First off, I don't want to promote working like 80 hours a week kind of thing. That's not what I, that's not what this is but... (Lesley: No, quality over quantity. But...) Yeah, I think there's an intention about moving forward and you know, it allows you to be prepared for when the iron is hot. Right? And and when you are on your game and focused and really moving the ball forward and an opportunity comes across your plate... (Lesley: Well, isn't that what luck is...) Right? You're you're prepared (Lesley: opportunity meets preparation) you're you're ready for taking advantage of that. (Lesley: Yeah) You know and then yeah becomes you know, that's the luck (Lesley: Yeah) kind of thing.Lesley Logan 27:47  Opportunity meets preparation equals luck. (Brad: Yeah) And I love this quote by her dad. I don't know why I'm seeing like the scenes of like, you know, the babe... and like league of their own but I am. (Lesley laughs) No and I think it's like, I think a lot of people are waiting for the right opportunity to put in the work and the reality is is that like showing (Brad: Yes) up (Brad: that's exactly) and doing the best you can.Brad Crowell 28:18  I will, I will work hard when the right thing comes around.Lesley Logan 28:21  When the right thing comes around. "Well when this happens then I'll actually put the work in. Well when this happens then I'll do this. Well when this "(Brad: Right) Wow, you're gonna wait for a frickin' long time (Brad: Yeah) and what I can tell you is like, we are very intentional, we have goals, we have a calendar, we have a launch calendar we have all these things and yes, dates get moved, things get shifted, new surprises come in, Brad didn't even know that I was interested in foster care. There's divine opportunities that happen. But if you're just waiting until hmm someone's gonna call you, someone's gonna suggest something, you're like, you all be waiting for a long time.Brad Crowell 28:56  Or or it's like we end up waiting for like the "right time" to do the thing whatever the thing is, right? So start a business, start a family, quit your job. (Lesley: You know what?) It could change, move, like all these things there's never the right time.Lesley Logan 29:13  You know there is not and I tell you as every one of my friends who had a baby never got pregnant when they are expecting to (Brad: Sure) and then somehow figured it out. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 29:21  Right. So yeah, yeah.Lesley Logan 29:24  So anyways, I think I just really love that quote from her dad. (Brad: Yeah) Kelly's Dad, thanks so much. (Brad: Yeah) And again, I do agree that it's not that you're working 80 hours a week or 100 hours a week. It's just that you, you put in legitimate effort towards what you want and and and it will, it will absolutely like luck will happen because opportunity meets preparation and boom, you're in the intersection. (Brad: Yeah) You don't want to be one block behind when that happens. You're gonna be pissed. Maybe honking my horn for yourself. (Brad laughs)Brad Crowell 30:00  At yourself. (Lesley: Yeah. Okay ...) All right, what about you?Lesley Logan 30:03  Don't let fear guide you. So I think fear is like a flashlight. It is showing you actually like, oh, this scares you. And on the other side of the sphere is like what you really want. And it's a place, it's like an opportunity to do some healing, some explorations, some curiosity around you. But it's not the guide, because if it guides you, you're just gonna stay in your comfort zone. But guess what, we've talked about this before your comfort zone gets smaller, actually gets smaller, like you become, like you become less okay with things. You know, because the that you were okay with before because like, the, the earth, momentum doesn't stop, the earth inertia doesn't stop. So everything is expanding, expanding, expanding. And so what happens is because you're in this comfort zone, the world is expanding, and you, yours is getting smaller, because it's been big ...Brad Crowell 31:02  Or even if yours is staying the same, it's actually getting smaller, (Lesley: Yeah) because the world is expanding.Lesley Logan 31:07  Thank you, thank you for making that shorter, and more concise. (Lesley laughs) So anyways, I just, you know, there's five fears that Brad and I learned about from a life coach we loved, which is there's a fear of success, fear of responsibility, fear of loss, fear of rejection, fear of failure. And pretty much every fear you have falls into one of those five. And if you can actually identify the fear, like literally go, "I'm having a fear of success right now". Then A, it actually like takes like literally goes like it just the power is taken away from the fear, it can't guide you. And therefore you can get curious, you can explore, it can be the flashlight of where you need to work on things, and also what you actually care about, like what you care about, right? And then you can go on the other side of this wall of fear is everything I've wanted. So don't want to guide you because it's taking you away from what you want.Brad Crowell 32:02  Well, I was just looking that up. Can you go down those five again?Lesley Logan 32:08  Yeah, I think it's from Mike Goodman. I want to say it's Mike Goodman. Chris Goodman? We have notes on this is from 2019. (Lesley laughs) Okay, here they are. The five fears are...Brad Crowell 32:22  Five primal fears.Lesley Logan 32:23  The five fears are - the fear of success, the fear of failure, the fear of, of responsibility. Fear of success, fear of failure, fear or responsibility, fear of rejection, (Brad: rejection) fear of lossBrad Crowell 32:40  and fear of loss. Yep.Lesley Logan 32:42  I really do think his name was Chris Goodman, or Mike Goodman. And sorry, Mr. Goodman for confusing your name. (Lesley laughs) But we're so grateful for you.Brad Crowell 32:52  Maybe Ken Goodman?Lesley Logan 32:53  No, no, no, (Brad: no), no, no, no.Brad Crowell 32:57  Anyway, the ... I feel like, what this made me think of ... Lesley Logan 33:02  His name is Chris Goodman. (Brad: Chris Goodman) Chris Goodman, hello. It's not my fear. It's not my mind. It's the fear and the mind from Chris Goodman. "Everyone is processing the thought and fear according to their framework" as another quote from him. We need to have him on, let's call him up. (Brad: We're gonna do it.) But you should ask yourself, "Do I have a fear of failure? Do I have a fear of success? Do I have a fear of responsibility? Do I have a fear of rejection? Do I have a fear of loss? If I do this next step? Am I going to blank insert the fear. (Brad: Hmm) So if I do this, am I going to be afraid of what?" And so that was like such an eye opening thing because I had no idea and a fear of success. Like who does that? Who has a fear of success? Who has a fear? Me this one, right here. And so, so but some people have a fear responsibility. So figure out what your fears are. We'll get Chris on to explain this all to you because clearly, it's not our information. (Lesley laughs) Well, there's being it till we see on the spirit coaching thing, but, I'm really, I just love it. So.Brad Crowell 34:07  Awesome.Lesley Logan 34:08  I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 34:09  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 34:10  Thank you so much for joining us today. We are so grateful that you're here. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Which fear do you have? How are Kelly and Marisa story inspiring you to do something that you have no idea how it's going to work out? (Brad: Yeah) Let us know by sending a DM to the pod on Instagram, and we'll catch you on the next episode.Brad Crowell 34:28  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 34:31  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day!'Be It Till You See It' is a production up 'As The Crows Fly Media'.Brad Crowell 35:04  It's written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli.Lesley Logan 35:15  Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing.Brad Crowell 35:19  Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 35:28  Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can't see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all video each week so you can.Brad Crowell 35:40  And to Angelina Herico for transcribing each of our episodes so you can find them on our website. 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Connect with Brad Miles: https://www.facebook.com/milesphotoAbout American Sign Language:https://www.nidcd.nih.gov/health/american-sign-language Show information:How to contact and connect with JP Emersonwww.jpemerson.comTwitter: @The_jpemersonemail: jp@jpemerson.com For more podcasts on cars check out Ford Mustang The Early Years Podcast at www.TheMustangPodcast.com or at Apple Podcasts or anywhere you get your podcastsFor more information about sponsorship or advertising on The JP Emerson Show or podcast launch services contact Doug Sandler at doug@turnkeypodcast.com or visit www.turnkeypodcast.com Episode Transcription:JP: Welcome back to the JP. Emerson show. There are many ways to enjoy the automotive community whether it's cruising in your pride and joy or simply enjoying others. Our Guest today has not only become a staple of the hobby but his unique talents lend himself to capture special moments like few others.It is my pleasure to welcome Mr. Brad miles and his American Sign Language interpreter Mr. Mark Bayarsky. Welcome guys  Brad:Thank you, thanks for having us.JP:It's a pleasure to have you. First Brad, I got to start with you obviously. Tell me a bit about yourself where you grew up and really how you got in the cars in the first place.Brad: Yeah definitely, so I live in Southern California, born in SoCal. I've just loved cars since I was four. Hot Wheels of course started that process so you know ditech cars etc.  I had friends when I was in the sandbox growing up in Orange County, Riverside Southern California. I ended up just loving cars, model cars, building them, going to the car shows all my life pretty much etc. It's kind of like gas in a car I guess, it's just in my blood. I love the smell; it just gets my heart pumping. I guess I just love cars!  JP:Was your family what we would consider a car type family or was it, you know like myself, your everyday type family where you know, you got what was affordable… a sensible family car or was it a little more fun back then? Brad: Well, my family I guess you could say, they really weren't car people you know? I think it's really thanks to neighbors who had a lot of cool cars, muscle cars of that era you know I grew up in that time frame and I got to see a lot of people working on them. My family was willing to take me to drag races, car shows, VW shows etc.  My dad was the one who actually took me and he was really into the Volkswagen 63 bugs and my mom had a white with red interior.  I just remember my mom buying a Vega, I think was just a ‘71 Vega they stuck with me and eventually as I got older, I just got more and more into it and the details related to them. I think it just became a Fascination and it was great that me and my dad could share that. We would learn different codes related to building cars and models and colors and just really something I was into.  JP:You know it's cool that you mentioned the smaller cars, those everyday cars, the Hot Wheels, the building the model car kits. I myself did the same thing I learned the basic principles of where parts went simply by building those model kits when I was a kid as well. You know we had the Snap Tight kits because we couldn't play with the glue and then of course as we got a little older, we did get the glue which probably wasn't a good idea! Now when you were really young, not Hot Wheels age but let's say you got to driving age, was there a particular car or model that just really grabbed your attention?  Brad:Yeah, for sure! Fortunately, I had some deaf friends who were into cars and we kind of talked it up. At the time super cars were popular and I really got into those. The super cars of that era.  I built model cars since the age of 6 so the old stores back then there are a lot of kids and I was constantly telling my mom I want this, I want that. It was kind of overload! I was building those model cars and I probably started with the glue about seven or eight. I could figure it out and read the instructions & I learned pretty much on my own so I just built my skills in that sense. Now the die cut Customs is pretty much what I'm involved in now. Graphic designs with Adobe Photoshop etc., and you know I'm doing things like that so it's just become something I've done in my whole life but a specific car when I was young was the ‘Cuda! I like the look of the ‘Cuda, the Shark look so I think the ‘Cuda has always been an interest of mine. JP:Brad, you said back when you were building the model kits there was a lot that went into that. The decals, images, the glue, the paint etc. Those of us who were doing and building them back then, we weren't just happy with the way the manufacturer was producing them. We painted them and customize them and such. Is that something you got into as well and how did that affect what you're doing today?  Brad:Yes, far as custom building I would buy an airbrush and I just really got into that process which ultimately won me a lot of awards relating to the best paint job and design.  I guess I'm pretty OCD regarding details and just kind of always wanting to make it right and perfect! I am detail-oriented so that was definitely something I did because my models had to be perfect!  I wouldn't let there be any flaws in my models. If something happened, I'd start all over again! It's a lot of time but I just feel the end result is the most important thing.     JP:I was going to get to this in a few minutes but I want to bring this question up. Help me understand… you are creating custom diecast cars now for individuals, is that right? Tell me a bit about that and help me understand. Brad:Sure. So, what I do is I design a template and I have a vinyl machine that I cut out the billboards, the top, carburetor linkage etc. All the details that you'd see on the actual car I can recreate the scale that makes everything look great! You know, the decals, the stickers, the stripes.  I work with a team of people that do certain things and we put things together.  For instance, if you see my Facebook page if you look at the pictures, they look like actual cars real engine compartments Interiors Etc!  JP:And that's something that we could see on your Facebook page, correct?Brad:Yes, that's correct you can see most of those on there. I just want people to see the detail that goes into making these one-of-a-kinds.  JP:I know I've seen these myself and I was intrigued. Is this something you do for fun or is this something that somebody can have done by you because I know people are going to look at your page and take a look and see what you're doing. Is that something you can do for them well? I do have a full-time job at the California School for the Deaf but I am available during the summer for side work so it's kind of a hobby that way. There's no deadline attached to it and for me it's kind of therapy. I grab my coffee and I do my thing. I also like doing photography of the Muscle car and Corvette Nationals.  I also shoot at Carlisle Pennsylvania and other events. Strictly muscle cars so you can see much of that on our page as well.  There's just a lot of things connected to that but I guess it really is a hobby but there's always possibilities and opportunities. JP:I think that people would love to have a car made that looks very similar to theirs and custom-built could be something that you could consider for car folks! How many times have you been to a hobby shop or toy store or an event and you see the generic car that looks close to yours? How cool would it be to have one that is exactly like yours? I mean what an opportunity to have someone like you make it exact. Those things are priceless to people!  Brad:yes, I agree! For me I like to order cars from YCID which is “your car in diecast” where I can get different styles and customize them to be yours. They're not cheap but it will look like yours! For example, someone sent me a diecast of their car asking me to add a vinyl top, some stripes and other details. They wanted me to match the colors in the engine accurately so it would be a 1 of 1! JP: Brad, I know our buddy Bob Ashton will here this and I know you love Mopar's but you're a muscle car guy through and through. You like the cars, you like the trucks, which I think is great. I love them all myself but if you had to pick one, and I know you're a ‘Cuda guy, but let's say one that's not a ‘Cuda… what would you pick?  Brad:It would have to be a ‘69 Copo Camaro like a ZL1 or an L72. The iron 427, those are pretty much favorites of mine.  I prefer the 4 speeds, just the faster top dog as I'm always into the top dog muscle cars!  I host my own page called “Rare muscle cars” on Facebook which I talked about that being my favorite. JP: I know also one of the favorites of the year for you is MCACN, which is Muscle Car and Corvette Nationals, also known as the Super Bowl of car shows. Tell me why that show is so special to you. I think it's because there's so many rare and desirable muscle cars there every year! Brad:It's a trip worthwhile. I'm just really impressed with the show, it's very well planned out, it's not something I expected. The first time I got involved, which was 2014, it was something that I thought was worth me paying for and experiencing in person.  I was fortunate to get the VIP experience so that I can take great pictures and see what it was all about and I have to thank Bob and Scott from Rev muscle cars who are well-known and the industry. Fortunately, my photos and work got noticed by some of these people who invited me back and made me part of the family. It's just a worthy and fantastic event!  JP: Bob and the MCACN crew do a great job. Everything they do is first class and I can't say enough about that event. If you are a car person, you have to experience the muscle car and Corvette Nationals at least once. Put it on your bucket list you'll be glad you did!  Brad:That's for sure! I'm always trying to get my friends and people they know to attend because there's nothing like it.  I'm always trying to get that great group of people together for a group photo with that event! JP:let me ask you this, they're people that take photos and people that take pictures. Brad is a photographer as his pictures are outstanding! It's so difficult to take pictures at events and there's so many people walking around it's just a difficult environment to do this.  Brad what is it that captures your attention at an event? Is it a color, is it a make or the model? Is it a personal taste? What is it that makes you say “I'm going to capture this one”?  Brad:You know my rule is I would rather have cars with their hoods down not up. A lot of them are convertibles so they have to be closed and the reason I like a convertible closed is judges' points. That's what they're looking at all so I like the tops closed on vehicles and the hoods closed so I wait until after hours when people are leaving. I like to have a say in the room.I think a quiet environment is key but also learn how to use a tripod, shoot at a slow speed and it focuses more on the car color.Yes, definitely the rarity also gets my attention as well. You can almost tell which are the rare cars just reading some of the information about the cars.The more pictures the better and then selecting the best ones. JP:As a photographer, if someone came up as an amateur and they asked you what's the most important tip that would help me improve what would you share with them?Brad: I think it would be to learn how to use the manual setting that's the best speed. F-stop, the aperture and the white balance is also a must because shooting in doors is very challenging. With cars, you have to have the right color & right balance! I would say that would be my top tip and you have to use your eye and your brain because sometimes you don't want the camera to control you want to control the camera to meet your expectations! JP:  I know for a fact that shooting indoors is difficult I myself am not good at it. Outdoor at events, motion are good for me but take me indoors and I may as well just give you a night shot!  Brad:Yes, a low-light lens would help!  Shooting indoors and no flash! You know it's funny because indoor makes a car look like vitamin C orange then HDI orange so the white balance is definitely key you have to practice! JP: You know Brad, what's funny to me is you have so many talents between the die-cast and the customizing and photography but you're also into the codes on the cars knowing how to decipher them, what it means, the year, the color etc.  You're starting to become like my friend Mark Worman of Graveyard Carz where you can just rattle information off! Have you ever thought about putting that information together and compiling that information?  I know there's people that would love to have that information at their fingertips!  Brad:Yeah, I enjoy doing that part it's like crossword puzzle and to me it works your mind and keeps you sharp so when it comes to codes yeah there's so many! JP:Brad, would you prefer an original example of a car or let's call it a day 2 car?Brad:I kind of like both! I like Yenko, the Baldwin motion cars, the Mr. Norms. I do really like the real day two type cars, the old school paint jobs that just really catches my eye. It just inspires me and takes me back to the 70s. I guess I like the 70 styles if I could pinpoint it. All that customizing is a little overkill today but I would say yeah maybe the day 2 examples. JP: I think when you look at the muscle cars from that era a lot of day two changes were made and that was the norm. You look at today's examples of the muscle car and of course they're completely different. They are electronic, they have fuel injection, for the most part the blow the doors off the originals. What do you think of today's examples and if we dropped a bunch of money down in front of you, which one would you go out and buy today? Brad:I'd buy a Challenger red eye or a 2018 Demon!  I like the new Challenger myself with a supercharger and I like the Hellcat right now too. I'm currently working on a drag pack diecast because I do like them so much, I think to answer your question, every day driving… yes for sure I definitely would want to drive one of those cars! Fortunately, I'm only 2 miles away from where I work at the California School for the Deaf so the commute would be pretty fast.  JP:Brad let me hit you with a couple of Rapid questions whatever comes to mind so we can learn a bit more about you  JP:Who would you like to meet?Brad: I did want to meet David from Graveyard Carz and I did get a chance to meet him. Of course, Bob Ashton well-known in the muscle car community who of course I do know now and is a good friend. I think that's a good question I pretty much have been able to meet a lot of people I wanted to meet already so I am fortunate.  JP:If somebody narrated at your life who would that person be? Brad:My wife Tamara! She knows me very well so I would have to say my wife! She's a very humble person, witty, sarcastic and she knows everything about me so I think that would be a perfect fit!  JP:If you were superhero what would your superhero name be?Brad:Wow, I don't know! I kind of like my name last name, Miles so I guess I don't know maybe just Miles would be a cool superhero name because it kind of sounds or has something to do with cars so yeah let's go with Miles! JP:What was the last thing that you Googled? Brad:I'm sure it had something to do with photography or cameras or something like that. JP: If I were to ask your family to tell me new story about you, what story are they likely to share with me?Brad:Well yes, my family knows me pretty well. When I was younger, I was pretty mischievous when I was in elementary school I got in trouble at school and I was grounded for the day and had to stay with the assistant principal. Back then, you know I had issues just being a kid. One day my old teacher happened to be visiting my current school and happened to walk into the office and see that I was in trouble again at my new school!  JP:Are you a planner or a go-with-the-flow type person?Brad: I think I might go with the flow for the most part. I mean I do plan certain things because you have to when it comes to detail, remember I'm detail-oriented!  I think you have to plan some time but I think by and large I'm a go-with-the-flow type person. JP:I asked this question quite often on the show it's always interesting to hear people's answers.  Brad if they were to make a movie of your life who would play you and what would the title of the movie be?Brad:WOW! that's a hard one! I don't know “life of Brad” would be pretty simple and I course I would pick a deaf person to play me because I'm a deaf. Maybe someone with my similar characteristics so Ryan Lane, who's a friend of mine and was on the show Switched at Birth. Yeah, I would go with Ryan. JP: I know also that you like to cook. What food that you haven't had before would you like to try? Brad:I guess I would say duck with orange sauce. I'm kind of curious to try something different but I like the staples like lasagna and spaghetti. I can usually do that without messing it up and I enjoy it. JP:If you can go back in time and take a road trip. who would go with and what car would you drive?Brad:WOW! Another tough one! My friend Jake has a ‘71 Cuda so I would take a road trip with Jake in his cool ‘Cuda! JP:You heard him Jake, hook the man up take him on a road trip in that ‘Cuda! A note from the host, JP Emerson:As you are listening to this, we're doing the show utilizing ASL which is American Sign Language. A fantastic tool to communicate.Our community not just muscle cars, collector cars, auto sports and more but we have the love for the automobile. We're all a part of an inclusive community and I can't emphasize enough, we need ASL American Sign Language so that we can communicate openly and honestly with everyone. It's the people that makes this community so great.  I want to certainly thank Brad and is interpreter for the opportunity to both meet and speak with him.  Brad can be reached on socials & the web and I encourage others to get to know Brad, his amazing work and all the great things he does to contribute to our community.Brad:Thank you, J P! You can find me, on the page I created which is Rare muscle cars on Facebook or if you type Brad Miles, you'll see me and my cap and glasses that's usually the easiest way. I really appreciate you allowing me to tell my story and your time. It really touched me that you were interested in doing so. JP:Brad it's certainly my pleasure! Again, I want to thank you Mark, with assisting me interpreting on this show so that we can have this conversation.We can learn so much from so many people and it's been a pleasure having both of you gentlemen taking your time to allow me to bring others your story. We look forward to seeing you at the Muscle Car and Corvette Nationals and I thank you both very much for joining us.  Brad:Thank you, J P, the pleasure was mine. 

Is your ego holding you back? Is the illusion of safety keeping you in burnout? In today's episode LL and Brad discuss how acknowledging, accepting, and creating an alternative action can transform your life in more ways than one. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe. In this episode you will learn about:- How to overcome burnout - Pain, suffering, and ego - The BEING method - The three A's: Acknowledge, Accept, Alternative Action Episode References/Links:Profitable Pilates retreats: https://retreats.profitablepilates.com/lp-irl-retreat-waitlistLL FREE WEBINAR: https://resources.profitablepilates.com/lp-ditching-busy  OPC Flashcards:OPC Flashcards are on AmazonOPC Flashcards are on our site  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.  ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable Pilates Social MediaInstagramFacebookTik TokLinkedIn Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:01  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the captivating convo I have with Lena Franklin in our last episode. If you haven't listened to that episode, that interview, feel free to pause this now and then travel back in time to listen to that one. Or listen (Brad: back in time) to this one first... Yeah, well, you know, it's it is sort of. It happened already. Or listen to this one and then go listen to that one. I think you have to listen that one anyways. But you know, you're already on this one. So do it backwards. It's all good. I, we are, y'all we're in the middle of the Full Body in 15. And it is so, so fun. It's it's just amazing to help people feel Pilates in their body in a really unique way. I think a lot of people just assume that Pilates is an ab exercise only or just for women or just for dancers or just for flexible people. And what's been really fun is watching super strong people, super athletic people, like actually realize that they're missing strength in awesome places and also people who are just trusting themselves to work out for the first time. So I'm having a good time.Brad Crowell 1:52  We're having a good time.Lesley Logan 1:53  We're having a good time. And that's an inside joke for Brad and I, if you didn't get that. Don't worry about it. (Brad laughs) Speaking of inside, we're literally days away from our business retreaters showing up at our house. Brad Crowell 2:09  Yeah, Profitable Pilates. Our first retreat for Profitable Pilates. (Lesley: Yeah) And it happens to be here with us in Vegas.Lesley Logan 2:17  Yeah, yep, yep. So anyways, it sold out so fast. If you had never heard about it. (Lesley laughs) Well, you're not alone. It just happened really quickly. And we are so excited because we have people from all over the world showing up. And we have like four and a half days of workshops and self care, and photo shoots. And I'm just, I'm excited because also our teammates, our team members are coming in, two of them. So we actually get to work with our peeps.Brad Crowell 2:44  Yeah. (Lesley: in person) It's really exciting. It, it definitely was like hardly, I feel like we hardly announced it and it filled up so fast. And I'm going to tell you a secret.Lesley Logan 3:00  Oh. Do I know the secret?Brad Crowell 3:02  Yeah, you might. (Lesley: Okay) Well, here's the deal. We would love for you to come and dig into your business for five days and four nights... Four days and three nights? (Lesley: Yeah) Four days. (Lesley: If they arrive on a Wednesday.) They leave on Sunday. (Lesley: They leave on a Sunday.) Yeah. (Lesley: Yeah) Anyway, we would love for you to come join us and dig into your business. We are going to be running another one, later this year. (Lesley: Oh I did. We already talked about this.) Yeah. (Lesley: Yeah, I'm so excited.) And you can get on the waitlist by going to profitablepilates.com/retreats. But keep in mind, I think that we're going to open the doors, like the first week of March to get your deposits in for the next retreat. (Lesley: Well....) So mark your calendar now. That was the secret. The secret is that nobody knows this. But we're opening the doors.Lesley Logan 3:53  I didn't know that either. (Brad laughs) So, oh my goodness. All right, well get on the waitlist because the waitlist people will have first access to to sign up. So anyways. Alright, before we get into our recap with Lena, what is our audience question?Brad Crowell 4:08  Okay, this was a really, this was a really heartfelt question from someone who joined us in Agency Mini recently. And then also from some of our Agency members, where we coach people on their fitness businesses. And the question was, "How do you avoid burnout? Or what do you do, if you already are in burnout?"Lesley Logan 4:35  Yeah, so this is, I think this is a really important question. And I also do think that you may need to change this as you go through life because your needs are going to change. So what worked for you before might not work for you now? And it's just really important to ask yourself like, "How do I want to feel right now?" And then it's a little easier to work backwards and the other thing I would say is, if you're in burnout currently, I need you to actually, like you actually, they actually have to stop like, "Stop." You cannot even scale back, you have to do a hard stop, which is going to be scary and hard. But you're going to have to like, just call up all your peeps for the next 48 hours and say, "I'm so sorry, I'll be back on this date." Don't even like reschedule, nothing, it'd be really awesome if you could do this on a mass email, if you had a newsletter. But anyway, what I want you to do is find a way to quickly put the pause on everything. I need you to do things that actually make you feel good. Take a nap, right? Take a long bath, go to a spa. Like really, you need to just pour into yourself, eat all of your favorite foods, like take some time. And I need you then to look back and think about when was the last time you didn't feel like you were in burnout? Go all the way back. And then you actually have to figure out like, what were the red flags that you ignored? That is advice I got for my therapist regarding dating, and it helps with burnout as well. (Brad: Hmm) And then, and then you'll actually have those signs and you tell the people who are around you, the people who are near and dear to you. These are the red flags that I'm in burnout. (Brad: Hmm) And that way, you can start to spot them as they come up. Now you have to choose to ignore them or see them as a sign. But that you know, that's a different question that might require some actual therapy on that to figure out like, why you keep ignoring the red flags, when you see them. But that's what I would say to avoid to when you're in burnout, you do a hard stop, which is very scary and might even sound really privileged. You might be like, "Lesley, I need the money." And I'm going to tell you, you need to be alive. (Brad: Yeah) And burnout is like, I'm not being dramatic here. Burnout is real, it's stress and 99% of all illnesses, cancers or diseases are all from stress. So we need to put the pot. As far as ...Brad Crowell 6:54  Yeah, also, I mean, burnout, burnout is like a, you know, it's a precursor to a panic attack that can land you in the hospital. (Lesley: Right) You know, like, it's, this isn't just like, "Oh, I'm mentally drained." You know, so if, you know, you're, like, completely fried. Like, I think we were talking about this in our, in our last recap, (Lesley: Mm-hmm) you know, effectively, we're talking about overwhelm. (Lesley: Yeah) And with overwhelm, we were talking about how it's a, it's kind of a, it's a learned behavior, and we assume that like, we should be, we assume that we should be maintaining the consistency of like, you know, our current, like, effective. Like, I'm going to, I'm going to start, I'm going to start the whole thought back over, because I'm going down this weird road, when we kick it into fifth gear to get through the shit. You can't stay in fifth gear forever. (Lesley: Mm-hmm) Okay, that's like, it's that starts the burnout process, but the overwhelm processes when you're in fifth gear, and you're like, "I'm losing it, I'm not going to be able to manage all the things I just feel like, aahhh. And I've never had the chance to, like, sit down with myself and I barely get the breakfast." And you know, and, you know, the reality is we, it's a learned behavior, (Lesley: Yeah) we put ourselves back into this situa... situation, because the other side of overwhelm is busyness and busyness feels productive. Busyness feels like we're making progress and moving it forward, and we're doing the thing, whatever the thing is... (Lesley: Might not be able moving anything forward.) Right. And and, and, you know, we talk about this all the time with our coaching clients, it might be that you know, you're working in your business instead of working on your business. And what I mean by that is working in your business could be scheduling your clients and, you know, reorganizing your desk and like getting through your emails and all the things that you have to do anyway. (Lesley: Right) You're not necessarily moving your business (Lesley: Well...) forward, you know, working on it.Lesley Logan 8:54  All those things first, feel safe. (Brad: Yeah ...) And safety doesn't actually mean you won't burnout. In fact, they have done studies that your comfort zone actually gets smaller over time. So what what actually was in your comfort zone a year ago, because technology, things advance, your comfort zone actually gets smaller. So as far as how do you avoid the burnout? You have to have to be filling your cup first. (Brad: Yeah) If you're filling your cup first, you are not going to, to actually get to a place of bur... of a burnout where you have to do... a whole stop. You can do some little pauses or slow downs. You can reevaluate, reassess, correct and continue. But like avoiding, like the best way to avoid burnout is just make sure that like your priorities, your values, you (Brad: Yeah) are in your schedule first. So, I I feel for anyone who's in it, I've been there. Well it will happen because again, what leads you to bur... like, how you recover from burnout and stuff, that that can change over time is what your needs are. But if you are filling your cup first and you're constantly asking yourself, like, "How can I like make sure that like, my cup is full?" You'll, you'll do some a lot of adjusting along the way and you don't, burnout doesn't have to be part of your life. Like, just because other people are in burnout doesn't mean like you have to get there to be part of society. In fact, I think society better if we all could avoid it in the first place.Brad Crowell 10:14  I was just talking to someone who moved to Paris, and she said, "The French have a completely different perspective than Americans (Lesley: Yeah) about work." And she's like, "Nobody works on the weekends here." People people like ...Lesley Logan 10:28  You know it's actually, like, if you're like, emailing outside of work hours, it's a little weird.Brad Crowell 10:33  Right. Like, people clock out, and they're done for the day. And you know, you know, especially with COVID, and working from home and all the things like, I mean, I feel like I work 24/7 now, you know, and that's... (Lesley: It's so easy we can do it.) Yeah. And also, there's no break between, I was just listening to another pod talk about this, where, you know, before we at least had our commute, where we used to bitch and moan about our commute, but it was a breather between, you know, get up and flurry around in the morning. And then you have like 30 minutes, or whatever your (Lesley: Yeah) commute is to get to the office and you can think and you're generally alone, or whatever, and then you then you hit the office and then on the way home, you have this another pause. And we don't have that anymore, because our commute is, (Brad laughs) I got up, I went to the kitchen and then I went to my (Lesley: We do...) my desk.Lesley Logan 11:18  have a very long hallway. (Brad: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah) We have a long hallway. (Brad: It's like 15 steps.) Yeah. But what I would say is, (Brad laughs) if you are like, "Lesley, I hear you. I hear you, Brad. Like, okay, but like, I don't like my schedule doesn't allow me to be in it." Okay, profitablepilates.com/gemstones, watch it, (Brad: Yes) free webinar on how to have an ideal schedule.Brad Crowell 11:34  I was going exactly there. (Lesley: Yeah) If you want to know how, you know, like, because maybe you can't just like, I was thinking maybe you can replace yourself at some of the things that you're doing. You know, and you can... (Lesley: That's more advance ...) you can outsource, you can whatever. But if you don't have that luxury, then the best thing to do is go watch Lesley's free webinar on how do you prioritize yourself first in your own schedule, so that you can still get all the things done, and go to profitablepilates.com/gemstones. (Lesley: Yeah) So.Lesley Logan 12:07  Alright, I love the questions. You all can send your questions into the @be_it_pod on Instagram. We love them or your bold moments. We also love sharing those as well. So keep them coming. If you're like, "What the heck is Instagram?" You know, I'm sure somewhere in the shownotes (Brad laughs) as a contact thing, and you can just hit that or you can just put in your reviews (Brad: Yeah) on Apple and iTunes. Not only does it help me, but then I look at read your bold moment and I'll share with everybody.Brad Crowell 12:30  Yeah. All right. Now let's talk about Lena Franklin's (Lesley: She's amazing.) Lena... It was a great, great interview. (Lesley: Thank you) Lena Franklin is a Modern Medicine Woman. She's a Transpersonal Psychotherapist and a Transformational Speaker. She has a Bachelors in Psychology and a Masters in Social Work. Her passion for bringing ancient eastern practices and healing approaches to our clients led her to create the East Institute with her husband, guiding individuals to optimize their best human embodiment. Through meditation, Lena now teaches others how to optimize and transform their pain and suffering into their greatest strength.Lesley Logan 13:11  Yeah, she's just really cool and I love how life just like, set like, I mean, it's one thing she also said like everything has happening like in a divine timing for you. And her like just like who her parents were and how she was even raised. So she could be this person. Like, it's just really beautiful. So one thing I liked that she said was resistance points are really access points into transformation. (Brad: Hmm) The reason I like this is there's like cliche saying, like, "What you resist, persists." But actually we who do hear this say, "What you resist is an assistance for where you need to go." And in Pilates when I'm teaching people (Brad: Oh) the exercises you don't like are the ones you need.Brad Crowell 13:54  It was, it was Sharon won't the sculptor. Sharon... (Lesley: Oh, from The Artist's Way.) Yeah. And she she's doing The Artist's Way program...Lesley Logan 14:04  Yeah. We're studying with her. (Brad: Yeah. Gainsbourg.) So now... (Brad: Sharon Gainsbourg) Yeah. If you ever listened to an episode, I said, "I didn't actually read the book." We're reading the book now. So we just do things backwards. We started the art and started the pages and now we're in the book. Anyways, yeah, so what so she, so Lena said like resistant points are really access points into transformation. So think of them as a flashlight. What you're resisting is the assistance for what you need to be doing. In Pilates what you don't like your body needs. So what what Lena is saying is like, think of whatever your resistance like a little flashlight on, "Oop, this is where I'm supposed to go for to be transformed." So I just really enjoyed that because I do think we avoid the things we need. And it's so funny because as soon as you do them and you have that transformation, like why I was like... I ... I made fun of Pilates, and then I went I was like, "This is the best thing that ever happened to me." (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 14:59  Well, this kind of goes hand in hand with another thing she said, where basically, pain is inevitable. (Lesley: Mm-hmm) But suffering is optional. (Lesley: Yeah) And I thought (Lesley: It's a choice) I thought, "wow, that's interesting." She said, "Everything is working in support of our evolution. It's not happening to you. It's happening for you." That's like a whole lot of heady stuff right there. But pain is a teaching tool. Pain is inevitable. But suffering is optional. And I thought that we were just talking about dwelling in the, in dwelling in the moment. I want to say again, last episode. (Lesley: great episode) Yeah. (Lesley and Brad laughs) And actually, but or it would have been the last recap episode, but you know, it, then if pain is inevitable and suffering is optional. Okay. So suffering is dwelling on the pain, but pain becomes the, it's the access point to transformation, like you're just talking about.Lesley Logan 15:58  Yeah. Um, so I just, I think, what I love is that she said that, and she is a woman who lost her mom at a very young age. (Brad: Yeah) Like an early adult. (Brad: Yeah, very unexpected.) Very unexpected. And I and I, the reason I bring that up is I think a lot of people, including myself, will say, "Everything's happening for you." And on the outside, (Brad: Sure) you'd be like, "Okay, Les easy for you to say." Well, yeah, cuz you don't might not know all the things I've been through. But specifically in this interview, you heard her say she lost her mom, very unexpectedly. And that loss is exactly what put her on the track that she's doing right now. (Brad: Yeah) And so if sure, if her mom had not passed, then the world might not have Lena, and what she's doing to help people. So anyways, whatever, you're resisting little flashlight, little flashlight. What did you love?Brad Crowell 16:47  Yeah, so I, I really loved she kind of, well, she talked to... for a little bit, but she said, "Our ego is actually the illusion of safety." Okay (Lesley: Hmm. I believe that. I get it. I get it) So, yeah. So you know, when we think we're in control, or we think we've got, you know, we've got a handle on things or whatever, you know, or maybe our ego is causing us to, you know, act irrationally or whatever. But so our ego is the illusion of safety. And I thought, first off, I thought, you know, it made me think about the book - Ego is the Enemy.Lesley Logan 17:26  Oh, I know, I need to reread that. It's been too long.Brad Crowell 17:28  And it made me remember the definition of ego is not the one that I like... when he defined ego as the enemy in the book. Or when he defined ego in the book, (sorry, Ego is the Enemy.) He basically said, "We think of ego as like, like bravado and arrogance," and like rrrrr, bang your chest kind of like, you know, like, kind of a thing. And he said, but the that is one extreme. The other extreme is being like completely diminutive and being like, like, "I'm not worthy," or looking down. (Lesley: Yes, yes) Like feeling like you're not valuable enough, or whatever. He said, "That is just as much ego. (Lesley: Mm-hmm) It's just the other extreme of what we imagine ego is. It's all ego." (Lesley: Yeah) And...Lesley Logan 18:17  ...I mean, we'll also to... want to talk about like, this is the my my brain went here. People pleasing is a form of control.Brad Crowell 18:24  Yeah. And that is, that's also (Lesley: ego) ego. (Lesley: It's crazy.) Yeah.Lesley Logan 18:28  It's crazy. We think ego is egotistical, but really, it's just like, it's all the things that are actually keeping you from, like, being here on this planet. And then the real thing, it's, it's... everybody needs to read that book. Anyways...Brad Crowell 18:42  Yeah. And, and what I thought was really neat about what Lena said is, she said that we don't want to demonize the ego. We just want to soften it enough so that our true authentic self can shine through.Lesley Logan 18:54  I love that she said that because and a lot of the studies that I'm doing and in a lot of the groups that I'm in, I can hear people demonizing the ego and like, almost aspiring to be like in some, like, alien parallel universe. And I'm like, "No, I don't think that that's a light enlightenment either." (Lesley laughs) But I think it is it's, you know, because also, part of the ego does keep you safe in some ways. Like, (Brad: Yeah) you know, it's just that when we lean too much into it, and we are like riding on the control of it and using it, that's when it gets to the thing. So I do love it (Brad: Yeah) she soften it enough.Brad Crowell 19:28  Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's talk about the BE IT action items. (Lesley: Yes) So, (Lesley: You go first) what bold, executable intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your combo with Lena Franklin? Well, right off the gate, she said she had like a systematic approach, which I think that the conversation kind of took you away from concluding because she covered "BEING," B E I N G. (Lesley: Yeah) Right? (Lesley: Yeah) And we got through B E I and N, but we never actually heard about G. So...Lesley Logan 19:58  Oh (Brad laughs) ... I knew what the G was for growth.Brad Crowell 20:03  Maybe it was growth. Yeah. (Lesley: Yeah) Actually, you know what... it's what's naturally happening. And we're gonna we're gonna call it growth. I love that. (Lesley: I'm almost positive. Lena if I'm wrong, just hit us up.) Alright. Well, so B is being aware of your thoughts. E is understanding that enlightenment comes through awareness of your thoughts. And then we have I is igniting your intention, now that you're aware of your thoughts. And then finally they ... then they have N is what is naturally going to happen now that you've ignited that attention. And then lastly, yeah, growth. (Lesley: Yeah) So BEING. And I thought that was interesting, just to think through that path.Lesley Logan 20:42  Well, I mean, just even being aware of your thoughts, like if you just (Brad: Yeah) all start there, like because I understand, like, "Oh, my God, that's so many letters." If you just start with awareness of your thoughts, then you've already done E, by the way, cuz awareness is the thing. It's a domino effect because the more even like, when I started The Artist's Way, I just did the pages, just doing the pages, I became aware of like, "Wow, I keep having the same fear." (Brad: Hmm) And then you're like, "What's the natural thing? Why do I have this fear? What is this fear? (Brad: Right) Is this fear real?" Like you just... like it is a domino effect. So if you can just actually start with being aware of your thoughts, you are going to like, literally see growth 10 times over so fast.Brad Crowell 21:24  Yeah. And we were just talking about that last episode, too. We're talking about anger. People just like, feel angry, but they don't think, "Why am I angry?" (Lesley: Yeah) And this, I think, is like, you know, goes hand in hand.Lesley Logan 21:37  Maybe that's why we have so many different versions of being curious as BE IT action items from all of our guests. (Brad: Hmm) Like, the curiosity like, and I think like, even Joanna Vargas is one who really taught us as like, questions, questions, questions, question marks are the best thing ever. Like she's all the asking questions. (Brad: Right) And, you know, put a question mark on as many things as you can tomorrow, because you'll become aware of your thoughts.Brad Crowell 21:58  Yeah, well BEING, I thought that was really, (Lesley: Yeah) you know, clever. And it's a great, it's a great way to think about that. What was your biggest takeaway?Lesley Logan 22:06  Okay, come on. Three A's. (Brad: Yeah) Acknowledge, Accept, Alternative action. Boom! I mean, you know how much I am about taking action, messy action, everyone, because that's where clarity comes from. So acknowledge what is happening, like acknowledge that like, like, it's not like, where it's not like when you have when you soften the ego, you don't blow up at something. You know, you blow up with the dog. You're like, "Oh, my God," and then it's just like, "Okay. Oh, I did not actually like how I handled that." (Brad: Yeah) And I accept myself for handling because I'm a human being. Brad Crowell 22:37  Yeah. She said, "Acknowledge the thoughts you don't want to feel. Acknowledge to the judgment. (Lesley: Yeah) Acknowledged the negative, negativity."Lesley Logan 22:44  Yeah. And then take an alternative action. And ...Brad Crowell 22:47  With well, then you have to accept. Right? So (Lesley: Oh so sorry) acknowledge ...Lesley Logan 22:51  ... I thought I said that already. I accept ...Brad Crowell 22:53  You're accepting it with compassion. (Lesley: Yes) Yeah.Lesley Logan 22:56  Yeah. With compassion, space and grace, space and grace. You're going to be imperfect because remember, perfect is boring. Nobody wants to friends with perfect. I was on something last night, and we were talking about how like, "What am I doing yesterday? Was on someone else's podcast. I don't remember the day." Anyways. Oh, it's on my own podcast. I was interviewing people on my own podcast. (Brad laughs) Anyways, those episodes will come out soon. Whoo. And I was like, somebody brought up like, think about those perfect people. Like, do you want to be friends with them? And it's, we really, like accept that you're not perfect, because it's you, it's impossibly perfect. (Brad: Yeah) And like you could not and perfect is like in context. So like, accept that you're not perfect. That wasn't how you wanted to handle it. You're a human being space and grace. And then, and then we come up with an alternative action. So (Brad: Yeah) yelled at the dog didn't like that. So okay. (Brad: Yeah) Space and grace, she was barking nonstop. And she didn't stop. And then what do I want to do instead? And it's like, okay, kinder, softer voice, "Get the F over here, please." (Brad and Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 23:57  Please. (Lesley: Please) Comma please. (Lesley: Comma please.)Lesley Logan 24:00  So anyways, I hope that I feel like that is like...It's simple.Brad Crowell 24:04  Acknowledge, accept and alternative action.Lesley Logan 24:06  It's simple. It's not easy. But it's it is a simple thing. And even if you start with acknowledge just like becoming aware, (Brad: Right) feeling good. All (Brad: Yeah) right. I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 24:15  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 24:16  This is so fun. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for listening to Lena Franklin's interview. Please tell us your takeaways. Post a screenshot, text it to a friend, you don't even know how to post a screenshot, just text it to a friend. You are how this podcast gets out there and we want what, we all want to hear what your takeaways are. We want to hear what your BE IT moments where, your bold moments and so we can catch you on the next episode.Brad Crowell 24:37  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 24:39  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day!'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.Brad Crowell 25:12  It's written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. 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A conversation that is zippy, energetic, and fancy… Or maybe it was exuberant, productive, and joyful? Listen to LL and Brad to find out how you shift your paradigm to design positive experiences for yourself and have some fun choosing your daily adjectives. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Future pilates tours/retreat plans Giving yourself permission to design the experience you enjoyIntentionally sculpting your routinesShifting your paradigmChoosing your three adjectives for your day Episode References/Links:The G+A CourseFree WebinarOnline Pilates Classes Retreats OPC FlashcardsOPC Flashcards are on AmazonOPC Flashcards are on our site  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.  ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable Pilates Social MediaInstagramFacebookTik TokLinkedIn Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:01  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the transformative convo I have with Mallory Gott in our last episode. (Brad: Yeah, we are.) If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now. Go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us. I mean, you know after you, if you ... if you did listen to Mallory, you get to do things based on how you feel. So, whatever you're feeling say, you get to create that, that journey. So ... (Brad: That's true.) I freakin' love her. I'm so, so glad that we get to know her and have mutual friends and we even get to spend the holidays with her briefly. I got to see a clip of Die Hard which made me go, "Maybe I should watch Die Hard." (Brad laughs) So anyways, um, uh, y'all, I had a birthday.Brad Crowell 1:28  Yeah, happy birthday!Lesley Logan 1:30  Mm-hmm. And usually I do a big, choose your own adventure birthday party, but since the pandemic, I pretty much stopped doing that. In fact, this year, I told Brad, he "I want to have a birthday. I want to get overdressed. You have to plan it." So (Brad laughs) anyways, he did and since we record this early, I did have a birthday. I have not experienced it yet. So full disclosure, I don't what we did.Brad Crowell 1:51  And "Brad planned it" in the future past tense that (Lesley: Yeah) (Lesley laughs) this has been recorded. (Lesley: But ...) Brad's swears, Brad planned it.Lesley Logan 1:58  Yeah ... I this is like like, just subliminal, like just "Brad's planning it. Brad, Brad's planning. Brad's planned it." (Brad and Lesley laughs) (Brad: We're almost done) Talk about Be It Till You See It, I'm just making birthday happen without me planning it. And also super fun. The scheduling tool that we partnered with Pocket Suite is officially out. So the Profitable Pilates edition is out.Brad Crowell 2:19  So fired up. Yes, (Lesley: Oh my God) this is amazing. (Lesley: this is amazing) If you are a business owner of any kind that has to deal with clients, and you have to send invoices or schedule, you know, dog walks, it doesn't matter, you can use this tool to do it. Obviously, we've geared it towards Pilates people because that's who we that's, that's mostly our (Lesley: ... Yeah) history here. But it's it's really a flexible tool and is ... it is amazing.Lesley Logan 2:48  All of my coaching advice on there can be, can be geared towards any service based business. So enjoy, super fun. And we we I my favorite webinar to teach is on scheduling, like, how to schedule your life and have ... it's not air quotes, balanced, hard word for me because, you know, there are different seasons to your business, if it for honest, but a lot of people like to know how I get things done. So, I scheduled or schedule, I created a workshop free webinar on how to schedule your life with all your priorities in it. And it also talks about this amazing scheduling tool, and that webinar is free. And you can watch the replay.Brad Crowell 3:25  Yeah, the replay will be available for you. You can just go to profitablepilates.com/... Let's make one up here, profitablepilates.com/ (Lesley: gemstones) Yeah, gemstones it is. (Lesley: Yeah) So that's weird. If you don't know what that's referring to, you're gonna have to watch the replay.Lesley Logan 3:50  Clearly haven't watched the webinar. (Brad laughs) So, I'm all about, I'm all about gemstones.Brad Crowell 3:54  That link will be in the show notes. (Lesley: Yeah) And the ...Lesley Logan 3:59  But it is a free, it's a free webinar that I, I will teach you these things and people love that. It's like a dream schedule webinar. And then at the end, we go over the free tool, so you can get both.Brad Crowell 4:10  Yeah, so if you've ever heard me jokingly refer to a Swiss cheese schedule. That that this webinar will help you resolve clients that are booking at nine in the morning or nine at night. Or you know, "Oh the only time I could take them is 6pm on a Sunday when it's my day off," you know, so you'll you this is a ...Lesley Logan 4:34  For my vegans listening a Swiss cheese schedule is a block with holes in it. (Brad laughs) So block of time and there is a hole in it.Brad Crowell 4:41  Imagine your calendar is the (Lesley: Yeah) Swiss, the Swiss cheese ...Lesley Logan 4:44  Yeah, yeah. And that's that's really annoying because like I had a Swiss cheese kind of morning this morning and I was like not enough time to start anything. (Brad: Right) It wasn't enough time to do anything and I wasn't hungry yet. So like this ... "What am I doing?" (Brad laughs) I'm gonna go look at the cactus. (Brad: why is there cheese?) Anyways, so profitablepilates/gemstones. You heard that here. Okay, so last friggin' thing I'm excited about, (Brad: Coming up) you're hearing about a lot because I'm I'm gonna shout from the rooftops until this happens and here's why. Too many people either are afraid to start Pilates because it's weird and they think it's weird and they're new. They don't want to do it wrong, or you've been doing Pilates but you just don't get it. And I'm on a mission "More bodies doing Pilates." So the full body in 15 is a week long program, where I'm going to teach you how to do a full body Pilates workout in 15 minutes. You can pair it with any of your other workouts you already do and enjoy or go to onlinepilatesclasses.com/fullbodyin15.Brad Crowell 4:44  Yeah, and that is kicking off on the 20th of Feb. (Lesley: Yes. Oh my gosh) So, join us. There's gonna be some live, some replays all the things but yeah (Lesley: Yeah) coming up.Lesley Logan 5:47  Okay, what is the audience question love?Brad Crowell 5:49  Okay, great question. Obviously, something that we love, and we're very passionate about. Question was when are we going back on tour? (Lesley: I know. Um ...) That is a good question. (Lesley: Great question. So that's ...) To which we we know we have at least one answer, (Lesley: Do you remember ...) which would be ...Lesley Logan 6:07  on sitcoms when they put the TO BE CONTINUED at the bottom. ( Lesley and Brad: da da da da) Here's what I do know. We are ... (Brad: To be continued) we are going to be heading out on an awesome little adventure in the summertime to go when I'm teaching at Momentum Fest. (Brad: Yeah, yeah) So we will be heading up at least Colorado. And we have not decided if we're adding on to that because June is actually a very busy month. (Brad: Yeah. It's kind of, we got a bunch of things going on.) It's like three trips in four, I don't even understand. So, I don't know if we'll be able to add anything to that. So just definitely come to Momentum Fest. We will for sure do one in the winter, as far as the cities that we're going to do. You know, shoot your city out. I know for sure we're gonna go to Rhode Island because we promised them that last year, so we ...Brad Crowell 6:51  I'm I'm trying to get us back to Fort Wayne, Indiana during the summer. (Lesley: What? Oh. Oh, yeah, yeah) So that we, we can do a sweet water appearance as (Lesley: He's trying really hard) that would put us, that would put us coincidentally near Chicago, potentially. So ...Lesley Logan 7:10  Well, I rather do Chicago in the summer than in the winter. Um, so no offense my Chicagoans. If that's the word. It's so freakin' cold. (Brad: I think it's a word) It's just too many cold cities on the winter tour. I really like the Southern part of our tour because it's hot, hot, hot. So (Lesley laughs) But anyways, for sure winter, we do want here's in the dream world, we would do a West Coast tour, and then some sort of Summer Tour somewhere. And to get the Upper Midwest, we've been promising them (Brad: Maybe even up into Canada.) Yeah and to Canada, and then the the winter tour. However, I'm really holding out for retreat. And so I ... (Brad: Oh we are), I have a hard time planning a tour until I can get my retreats back up. So just stay tuned. And you know, we can make the winter tour as long as we need. So just throw us your city out there.Brad Crowell 7:59  In fact, fingers crossed that I can get back to Cambodia here in March into April to prep the retreat space (Lesley: Mm-hmm) because if all does go well, we hope to have a retreat in the fall (Lesley: the fall) into potentially into the winner of this year. (Lesley: Yeah. So ...) So if you have if you've ever thought about Cambodia, you can go to onlinepilatesclasses.com/retreats. Almost positive that's the link ...(Lesley: You just go to onlinepilatesclasses.com) We'll put the link to get on the waitlist (Lesley: and you can see ...) or retreats in the show notes.Lesley Logan 8:34  All the things that are Pilates. You can't see anything that's business you got to go to profitablepilates.com for that. But anyways, I love this question. Thank you for asking it. You know, there's only so many days in the year and I'm we are really trying to make sure that we hold space for a potential retreat before we put anything on the books because I really am after two years of all this. I don't want to cancel anything anymore. So (Brad: Yeah, I'm over ...) I'm over the emails for that and so far 2022 has been canceled free. I'm trying to keep it that way. (Lesley laughs) (Brad: Yeah) Okay. Let's talk about Mal.Brad Crowell 9:06  Yeah. Okay, so exciting. Let's talk about Mallory Gott. Mallory Gott or Mal is the founder and creator, creative director of G+A, guiding clients through experimental design. She helps give people the opportunity to change the experiences they're having by redesigning based on feeling (Lesley: feeling) which I find really interesting. She is against cutting veggies. She's a lover of Mad Libs and is a fellow Vesta coffee roaster, lover because she's here in Vegas.Lesley Logan 9:47  Yeah, I know. We got to talk about that. If you didn't listen to the last episode. The end is really fun. (Brad: She gave Jared a shout out.) I know, Jared our neighbor. (Brad: Yeah) Yeah. We're actually drinking your coffee right now. (Brad: It's true.) (Brad laughs) Okay. So, in fact I ordered, posted mates yesterday, just so I could have the coffee beans delivered and it was glorious. And I was like, "Gosh, this is the life." Okay, so one of the things I love that she talked about was giving yourself permission to design an experience you enjoy. And I, I think, first of all, she literally embodies Being It Till You See It. This is how she trains every one of her clients like everything they do, they're being the thing that they want to see at the end of whatever the project is. And so that's actually what caught my eye towards her and in her be on this podcast. But we always talk about like, other people have said, "Give yourself permission. Give yourself permission." Thor talked about gotta give yourself permission slip, but this (Brad: Right) is like, I think we get caught up on like some... if something is hard work that it's going to be hard to do. And we like can put, we can put feelings toward something and then the experience and what you think about it, it changes you and how you want to show up there. So she's like, give yourself an experience to design a community you enjoy. So what would make the thing you're doing more enjoyable? And how can you do that for me in the morning, like, I like to put all of our what do you call them. Brad Crowell 11:11  You're really good at this by the way. Like I know that you you like intentionally sculpt your morning in a way that allows you to be set up for the day. (Lesley: Mm-hmm)Lesley Logan 11:23  (Brad: And I am ... ) Tell me more about myself. (Brad: Yeah) (Lesley laughs, no). Brad Crowell 11:27  I admire that because that's the opposite of how I do my day.Lesley Logan 11:31  I know, I walked in the house and I was like, "Oh, he hasn't event poured coffee yet. Oh, the dog hasn't had breakfast. But did he just get up? What's going on here?"Brad Crowell 11:37  No I'd been up for awhile (Lesley: Yeah) just my morning changed completely.Lesley Logan 11:41  So I do, I do wake up early in the morning because I want I'm very intentional about the how that and that is a permission that I gave myself. I gave myself more permission of space and have a morning that doesn't have stress, or I don't like to be rushed in the morning. It really makes me anxious. That feels like the day is going to be anxious. So I give myself permission to have lots of space, which does require some planning. But one of the other things I really have been doing is like getting the was like some sort of like luxury or I don't know what I was thinking. But I actually stayed at Allison's house. And she would like do her little oil infuser. Right? And every like it would turn off and she put oil on because I'm like, "Oh, this smells so good." And so I literally gave myself permission to every morning put all the oil infusers on the house and now we've got three that are just going and then I have another one on the other... And I love it because the whole house smells fresh. And it smells like the way I like it. Brad doesn't always like it but I like it.Brad Crowell 12:38  It's actually really pleasant for me and it's definitely it's a positive experience. I also am amazed that you find the time to set those up everyday. (Lesley: Okay, so here so ...) Like we make the time to make the coffee because we go, "I need the coffee."Lesley Logan 12:56  You all. You want (Brad: What?) to hear how this is working out for me. Okay, this is all uh, this is all routines and habits you have to get really good at but obviously celebrate you can take my habits webinar on that however, here's the deal. I have a routine we come in from the dog walk, run, whatever it is. And while the hot water is heating for the coffee, (Brad: hmm) I feed the boys some... sometimes there's one or the other ones bowl just sits there. Then after I do that they're not staring at me anymore. Then I have the water pitcher that I take to the three diffusers with the oils are already next, they are already set up, they're already there. Okay, and then the hot water is done and I make the coffee and then I do my next thing which is usually either Pilates or my peloton or something else that is like breath work. For me still because that coffee takes 10 to 15 minutes do its thing. So it's not ready yet so I just do something else for myself and then that's that's how I find the time, you can't watch water boil. They literally say that. Anyway. Brad Crowell 13:57  It's like paint drying. (Lesley: Yeah. So ...) Or it's like cactus is growing.Lesley Logan 14:02  But I also just like once I saw someone do it and sometimes it takes you seeing other people do it so do search for evidence for the permission you wish to give yourself but once I saw someone doing it looked like it didn't, it took her 13 seconds and I was like, "Oh I really want to have an enjoyable morning." Like the morning to me sets up the whole workday and well that way when I walk out the office and into the kitchen the house smells like it's been lived and cared for and I want the house to smell like that because I want the experience I have each day to be like I'm not doing this just to like slave at my desk all day. I'm doing this because I want to I get to live in this enjoyable place. So anyways permission granted ...Brad Crowell 14:38  Well this this rolls right into the thing that I really loved which was shifting your paradigm. Like how you see the things that you have to do. And because giv... so giving yourself permission first off, what you did was almost the BE IT action item. What (Lesley: Yeah) you're talking about here with the with the changing your environment, you're literally putting on a thing that is, it's like, it's like putting the the crystal with $100 bill in your drawer, (Lesley: Yeah) where where you open it and you go, "Oh, yeah, right, I'm going to focus on that today." Changing the, this the the olfactory, you know, scent of our kitchen, when I walk in in the morning, I'm like, "Oh, I like being in here." Right? And that is a very simple action item thing to do. But the permission part of it is, I think it's funny, because we get so sucked into the hard thing that we forget to be objective about it and go, "Hey, I know this is hard but does it have to feel hard?" (Lesley: Right) You know, maybe it doesn't have to feel this hard. And, and so that's the per... you have the you can give yourself the permission to look at it in a different way. But that's tied into the shifting of the paradigm, right? (Lesley: Mm-hmm) My mom used to say, "Have to do before want to do. Have to do before want to do." Right? I mean, it was like, I don't know, she must have said it to me a hundred ... a hundred times, a thousand times growing up, I think, I mean, I heard that for... forever for my entire elementary school, middle school, probably even in the high school. In high school, she kind of shifted to "You're putting too much in one day. You're putting too much in one day." (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 14:58  Brad put too much in one day? (Brad: No) Never (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 16:27  But you know that, you know, then then it was like, "Oh, I gotta do my chores around the house before I can go out to play" (Cries) and I would be angry about it. Right? And I think that there's this shifting of the paradigm and what Mallory was talking about, which I thought was really cool is, what if instead of it being like, "Damn it, I have to vacuum the stairs before I can go run around," got shifted to "I get to go run around after I vacuum the stairs." (Lesley: Right) And that I think is really shifting the paradigm. It's just again, like looking at it from the other side of the coin, as it were, you know, where you get to, to you still have to do thing. (Lesley: Yeah) But now instead of it being this really frustrating, angry experience. It's, you know, you're you're dwelling on the the thing that you actually want to be doing anyway. And this you just got to do this so that you can go do that. (Dog barks)Lesley Logan 17:29  Yeah, I um. I think, you know, I love that, that you grew up with that. I think there's also like, it's if you only hear people in your life complaining, it becomes a it does feel a little hard to be the positive polly around. (Brad: positive polly) (Brad laughs) One of our guests, he's coming up next week, he said, "You two must annoy the hell out of people. You're like so positive." (Brad laughs) And I was like, "Do you think we do?" And I do, I think people get because like we when bad things happen. People want to like roll on the ground with us. And we're like, "It's fine" cause what are we to do. Everything happens for us. It's fine." Also, because suddenly we didn't like feel the crap. We just felt it and we moved on. We're like, "How do we do this?" And so I do think it's that the if you can make your shift in the paradigm your superpower. You can change your course quickly. And like the life you want to have is going to happen so much faster. SoBrad Crowell 18:21  Yeah, well, it sounds like Mallory is the queen of shifting your paradigm. (Lesley: She's so good) So, super cool.Lesley Logan 18:27  Yeah, she's so chill. Okay, BE IT action items, (Brad: Yeah) break it down because she had these like three that work together.Brad Crowell 18:33  Yeah. So what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items that can you do, can we take away. Sorry, from your convo with Mallory Gott? Well, right out of the gate, she said, "Decide how you want to feel." (Lesley: Yeah) Right? And that I think is not the way that most people focus on the thing they have to (Lesley: no) do. Right? She says, "Choose how you want to feel around the thing that you want to do." Maybe you have to do but you can still you still control how you feel. And she said to pick three adjectives about your day like that you want to experience and then how can you apply those adjectives to the things that you have to do?Lesley Logan 19:23  Yeah, I think that is really, really fun. I'm just googling adjectives right now because (Brad laughs) if you're like me, and you're good memorizer to take the test and then you're like, (Brad: You have the descriptor.) ... Yes. So a word or phrase naming an attribute, added to or added to or grammatically related to a noun to modify or describe it. So you're the noun and and whatever you want to attribute to how you are in the moment of the thing. So that makes that makes me excited. You can actually Google like adjectives and like, there's like a bunch of sites that like 150 adjectives, you know, like you can pick them. So if you are like ...Brad Crowell 20:01  I also think that it doesn't necessarily need to be like, like exclusively an adjective you could pick joy. I don't think joy's an adjective. (Lesley: I know you but you could also though I want ...) I guess joyful would be an adjective.Lesley Logan 20:13  Yeah, yeah. So there's, there's I found a site that 150 of the most common. I'm going to be honest, this has a lot of like, depressing ones like mhmm, so I'll go through and highlight all the most positive or like look up positive adjectives. I should have done that. And then pick three and then do the thing that she just said, which is, it makes it makes me think of like Hilary Hartling, like ta-da list... (Brad: I was just thinking about that. Yeah) So like your take Mallory Gott's little situation here, little system, three adjectives. Take it to your to-do list, mad... inverted the Mad Libs rock on. Then you can get to go, "Tadaa." (Leslye laughs) So, I like this. I'm gonna, I'm gonna have a zippy afternoon with my meeting.Brad Crowell 20:55  A zippy? (Lesley: Mm-hmm) Okay. All right. Yeah, I'm gonna have a (Lesley: I'm gonna proudly do my calls.) Yeah, what are the three, what are your three adjectives for today?Lesley Logan 21:05  Mine? (Brad: Yeah) Oh, okay. So well, I thought I think proud is awesome. And that feels like, tall, energetic and fancy.Brad Crowell 21:15  Oh, fancy. (Lesley: Yeah) I love that. Okay, so (Lesley: Yeah. What are yours?) what are you, what do you have to do later today that you're going to make fancy?Lesley Logan 21:22  I have worked on those kind of like flashcards. (Brad laughs) So I'm going to proudly with, "What was my other one, proudly ..." (Brad: Ah um ...) Oh, my God, short term memory just blanked on me. Fancy and what? Here's what I'm just gonna new make one (Brad: Pick another one) Okay, when I do the fla... I'm going to do the flashcards ...Brad Crowell 21:44  You guys can hit rewind, and then tell (Lesley laughs) us what she said.Lesley Logan 21:47  What I say? I'm going to zealously.Brad Crowell 21:50  Zealously, you definitely didn't pick that one. But ...Lesley Logan 21:53  No, nope. Um, I am going to, I'm going to say, I'm proudly work on those cards, because I am so fucking proud of them. And I really do. Can't wait for you to have them. So I'm going to proudly work on those cards in and when I and then I'm going to sit there in a fancy outfit while I'm doing it.Brad Crowell 22:07  Yeah. And I think for me, I'm going to um... Let's see, exuberantlyLesley Logan 22:17  Oh, well, now you're just, now it's a spelling test. (Brad laughs)Brad Crowell 22:22  I'm going to exuberantly host a webinar, although there's nothing negative about hosting the webinar, because it's going to be with our friend Alex Street. It's gonna be so cool. (Lesley: I know) ... you gonna love it.Lesley Logan 22:35   He's a past guest, you can listen to him. He's just so cool.Brad Crowell 22:38  And then productively get done a bunch of boring contract work (Lesley: I think ...) that I have to do that I'm not excited about. So, (Lesley: I think you have to remove those those adjectives) Yeah, exactly. We're gonna swap that out to that's the productive and exuberant and the last one is going to be ... I do like joyful and that ...Lesley Logan 23:05  You could joyfully work on these contracts. You can whistle while you work.Brad Crowell 23:08  With exuberance. Yes and (Lesley: Yeah, yeah) productiveness. Lesley Logan 23:11  And then you're going to the gym with ... you're going to gleamly go to the gym (Brad: gleamly) I don't know. I'm just looking at another. (Brad and Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 23:20  Alright. Somebody take away the synonyms or (Lesley: Okay) adjectives.Lesley Logan 23:23  Yeah. So fun. Okay, well, anyways, if you do this system, please let us know. Screenshot this episode, tag Mallory Gott, tag Be It Till You See It pod.Brad Crowell 23:32  Oh wait, sorry. She has a course. (Lesley: Oh, gosh. Okay) Yeah. So well, you know, what's your big takeaway, Lesley? (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 23:41  I got really distracted with the adjectives and clearly we should be teaching you what she teaches. So because we're still working out the adjectives (Brad: Yeah) in our own lives. So take her course. She's got four parts to her course. We cover two in the interview. SoBrad Crowell 23:55  Yeah, the first pillar was, if you're designing an event or an experience for people, you will want to consider how you want them to feel. Right? During the experience, which is something that you and I do all the time with the retreats. (Lesley: Yeah) You know, like, we've got people coming here in March to Las (Lesley: Yeah) Vegas for a fitness business retreat, we're (Lesley: Yeah) really focused on like, "What are they going to experience? What are they going to feel?" Loved that.Lesley Logan 24:18  We filter everything through how we want them to feel.Brad Crowell 24:19  That's the first part of it. The second part of it is going to be and this is something that I don't think about this, I never think about this. (Lesley: clearly we need to take this part) Yeah. How do I want to feel while designing their retreat experience? (Lesley: Yeah, yeah, we're gonna take this course.) And that was like, "Hmm. I didn't I never considered me I was just making it work, making it happen." Right? (Lesley: Yeah) So that's, that's pretty amazing. And then during the interview, I don't actually recall the third and fourth part of her program, so I would absolutely (Lesley: also) recommend checking out her course.Lesley Logan 24:28  Two more reasons why you should check out her course. So we'll have that linked below (Brad: Yeah, in the show notes.) She's amazing. We have to have her back. I don't know. I gotta have her do a presentation. This is so freakin' great. I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 25:03  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 25:04  Thank you for joining us today. We're so grateful for you. Seriously so grateful. Otherwise we just be doing this for the ethers. And so thank you for listening. Thank you for downloading. Thank you for sharing. Screenshot this, tag Mallory, tag @be_it_pod with how you're using her BE IT action items and send us that we get a DM and we can like shout you out, we can celebrate you. It's super, super fun, and we'll catch you on the next episode.Brad Crowell 25:25  Until next time.Lesley Logan 25:26  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it, help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day!'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.Brad Crowell 26:01  It's written produced, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. 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What does the crow symbolize for LL and Brad? Listen to today's episode as they talk about not giving a fuck, dealing with overwhelm, and how to find your spirit animal. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Dealing with overwhelm Focusing on one thing at a timeGetting a spirit animalBeing authentically you, knowing not everyone will like youThe reverse chess game Episode References/Links:Scheduling tool  OPC Flashcards:OPC Flashcards are on AmazonOPC Flashcards are on our site  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.  ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable Pilates Social MediaInstagramFacebookTik TokLinkedIn Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:01  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the energizing convo I have with Jeanieva Faith in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that one, feel free to pause this now go back and listen to that one thing, then come back and join us or do this and then go back. You know, just let it play while you're cleaning your house. You do you. (Brad: do this, do that). Do that. Let us know how you like to do it. Do like a little recap first or the interview first? I'm intrigued. So y'all as you are listening to this, if you're listening to it on the day it comes out or the days it comes out. We are actually finally launching our scheduling tool. It is. (Brad: It's happening) Holy frickin moly. (Brad: Yep) So we actually were hoping to do this in October and then (Brad: November) November and (Brad: then December) December. And it's now happened on January 30th. Holy, I'm so excited. We've been really working so hard. Our partners in crime with this tool are freakin phenomenal. They have thought of everything like.Brad Crowell 1:46  This. The software itself, the app itself is like it's incredible. It's really impressive.Lesley Logan 1:52  It is amazing. (Brad: Yeah) It is amazing. And I wish I had known about it when I was looking for a scheduling tool. So (Lesley laughs) So anyways, they uhm, they have partnered with us to make it so perfect for the Pilates businesses out there that we know so well. And I'm putting little coaching videos for you in there. So (Bread: Yeah), you get little doses of like advice on what you should be doing when it comes to memberships or not memberships orBrad Crowell 2:18  Invoices (Lesley: Invoices) or chat tool, or online,Lesley Logan 2:22  I got some upsell coaching tips in there, (Brad: Yeah) which I've always really wanted people to pay attention to. So anyways, if you go to profitablepilates.com/schedulingBrad Crowell 2:31  profitablepilates.com/scheduling Lesley Logan 2:35  True. Sign up for I'm doing a free webinar, because in honor of launching this app, I'm wanting to teach you all how to actually schedule your life. So that what you want to have in it is in it and how you can work on your business. And I'm just so freakin stoked. So it's a free workshop. It's one of my favorite ones to do. And then we're going to show you how this tool is going to help you make what I just taught you happen. So anyways, whether or not you're interested in the tool, you should just come to that because I'm literally going to teach you (Brad: Yep) how to time but also you should come because the tool is pretty freakin cool.Brad Crowell 3:09  I meant I think it's great. (Lesley: Yeah)Lesley Logan 3:11  Okay, well, now, what is our audience question?Brad Crowell 3:16  Okay, this week, we had a fun one, which is uhm ...(Brad laughs) people always ask us, How do we do all the things? And in this week, they were specifically referring to how do you work on two projects or businesses? Without getting overwhelmed?Lesley Logan 3:32  You're gonna get overwhelmed ...(Lesley laughs) (Brad: Yeah)Brad Crowell 3:36  I think that overwhelm is nothing to do with the project at hand. I think it's actually the way that we approach life.Lesley Logan 3:44  I feel like we just told people Santa doesn't exist. "And I'm so sorry, if your kids are in the car. I hope you're wearing headphones", anyways, (Brad: what?) though. Well, because it's like, I think people think that like people are doing it all, magically or without overwhelm. And the pull back the curtain thing is, is that you get overwhelmed. (Brad: Yeah) And then you make changes. And then you're on this new level, which means new devil, and eventually you hit overwhelm again. And so first of allBrad Crowell 4:11  I also think that it's, that's where that's why I think that, you know, if you keep bumping up against overwhelm, is if you take take the equation, there the the two things that are the recurring theme in that is you and overwhelm, right? So it actually has nothing to do with the thing that you're working on. This is actually a mental exercise that we end up building up to this like, explosion point, and then we go back and it's a cyclical thing, and it can be applied to anything that you happen to be working on.Lesley Logan 4:45  Okay, two things has made me think of. One, you get to choose how you see the situation you're in. So you can continue to see it as I'm overwhelmed. Or you can see it as a teaching tool for how you got there so that you can make changes. And so it's a choice. So you can do that. Second, be mindful of when you're saying you're overwhelmed. Is this another version of procrastination, aka perfectionism. So those are a couple things. The other thing I will say is, you know, Brad, and I have one of our podcast, guests, Kareen Walsh, treated us to the Human Design test. And we (Brad: Yeah) are both generators. So if you're wondering how we do it all, like, inherently, we're born to do that. We also have a team of 20. And we have this many people, because every time we hit overwhelm, we figured out how can we at this now that we're at this point, what needs to be outsourced? So really, when I'm at overwhelmed right now, and I'm at it, because a lot of things are happening all at once, and I have a vacation coming up. So I'm very excited about that. However, another thing that we will say from experience is be really mindful if you're trying to grow two things at once, from start, because it's just you cannot do it.Brad Crowell 5:59  I think that if we were to go back and do it all over again, we would have picked one. (Lesley: Yeah) of the three companies that we run, (Lesley: yeah.) And it would have been, it would have made everything a lot easier. Because think about it, if you let's just say that you have like, let's say you're an idea machine, like Lesley is an ideas machine. And if you decide to, you know, act on all those ideas at the same time, you're going to have a lot of slow progress. And that is basically what we've been doing for years, now. If we had been able to take one thing, really focus on that and catapult it forward. Get market share lots of users make a bunch of money, etc, etc, etc. Once we have would have had a team infrastructure, all of this thing in place for that one amazing thing. Imagine then, adding a second thing to that one thing, where you already have a huge client base, a huge thing, whatever. Like, it's just a better way to do it. (Lesley: yes) And And here, I know, like, you know, there's a fear of what if somebody has my idea? Well pick the better of the two ideas of focus on that one.Lesley Logan 7:13  And also read the book, Big Magic, like ideas want to be born, and it's okay, if someone has no idea, even if you act on your idea, you know, it's still gonna be different. So don't worry about that too much. Please don't ever ask me like, which one will we've chosen? Don't make me choose my babies. But but it is true. Like we we definitely have a lot going on, we've had to hire for that. And when we hit overwhelm, we figure out what is the root cause? How can we change that? And then we start thinking like, well, when can we change that. So that also helps because it's like a light at the end of the tunnel, like a light at the end of the tunnel. It's like, "oh, okay, if I just get to that point, then we can bring on." So we're at the point where we're bringing on someone else to help me because I've hit the I've hit the ceiling again.Brad Crowell 7:37  We can get specific. So Lesley, if you don't know, has for, I don't know, almost 10 years, basically been writing everything. (Lelsey: I write everything.) So emails, like newsletter, emails, blog posts, descriptions for everything, all all of the social media.Lesley Logan 8:21  Every class description, every YouTube tutorial, every flashcard, every newsletter for all three companies, uhm ...(Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 8:28  And what I'm not kidding (Lesley: all social media for three Instagrams), Yeah, ...(Lesley laughs) like years ago, when we were trying to figure out, you know, like, how do we figure, you know, how do we describe ourselves? I literally used to introduce her as an author and a writer. Yeah, that's funny, right? Because we all think of her as Pilates. But the amount of writing that she was doing was as much, if not more than teaching, you know, and that was kind of that was kind of amazing. And what we've effectively identified is that right now, today, a lot of her time is still going towards writing. And that's where she needs to be uninterrupted. Don't bother me, I gotta focus, I need an hour, any two hours, any three hours to get this stuff done.Lesley Logan 8:35  We literally have a light that I turn on that says, "sssssh" ...(Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 9:12  So what we've identified now is, wouldn't it be really cool if we had someone help? You know, with this kind of stuff, you know, someone that could, you know, help with maybe writing a newsletter on her behalf or something to that extent?Lesley Logan 9:26  So Brad's been writing the newsletter. (Brad: So, yeah) ...(Brad laughs)Brad Crowell 9:29  So the temporary solution is that I'm writing the newsletter.Lesley Logan 9:33  You know what, I love the people, okay, here, I'm just gonna side note. Every person I've talked to like on the phone, or in person, they're like, Oh, my God, I'm getting newsletters from Brad. I love it. And I'm like, I've been writing to you for years, (Brad laughs) You haven't said anything you've ever said. I love it. No... (Brad: Smallest violin.) But anyways, yes, Brad is correct. So we're at the point where I need someone to do some transcribing of some lives that I do. (Brad: Yeah)Just to help out and effectively, you know, she was talking about outsourcing. But we now it's insourcing because we're bringing them on the team, and they'll be actually part of the team.So if you are, if you're a copywriter. (Brad: Yeah) And you you like to say the F word a lot, but not on paper ...(Brad laughs) I'm really interested in talking to you. But anyways, that's a great question. And I, I, I am so sorry that we couldn't just say just get over, you can do it. I would love to it'd be so much easier. But the reality is, is overwhelm is such a great, it's almost like a flashlight of "Do you really want to be doing this?" If yes, then what do you have to do to like make room from the ceiling and the crown of your head so you're not so overwhelmed? (Brad: And if no?), stop. ...(Lesley laughs) Stop full permission to quit. Oh my god, we can quit things people we can. Okay, so this is so fun. Thanks for that question.Brad Crowell 10:56  Yeah that's a good question.Lesley Logan 10:57  You can send your questions into the Be It pod on Instagram, or send us your bold moments. We really, really really love hearing how you use our guests, be it action items or just like anything, just tell us what your boldness is. We, I want to be inspired.Brad Crowell 11:14  Okay, now let's talk about Jeanieva Faith. As the ultimate creator of safe spaces, Jeanieva Faith is a Reiki Master Teacher, founder of Tales from the Stripped and is a heartbreak/ breakup coach. That was kind of cool. (Lesley: I think that was everyone needs one of those). Yeah, from dancing your way to confidence to working with your energy. Jeanieva helps individuals get bold and honor every piece of their story.Lesley Logan 11:43  Ah, well, I really enjoyed her. I said this on the pod. I met her through a random panel that I was on for Jonah Vargas. And I was like, "Oh my God, a Reiki person in real life" ...(Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 11:57  IRL Reiki? ...(Brad laughs) (Lesley: Oh my God...)Lesley Logan 12:00  Like, what do you what it's like a unicorn, and she had pink hair. So it's like a unicorn. Um, but I really, I have to be honest, I really loved when she talked about meeting your spirit and all because you also know this, but okay, I'm gonna take you back in time. It's 2008 and I'm becoming a pilates instructor and I am driving across town from Venice to Beverly Hills. For those you know, LA no one really does that, but yes, I used to cross the 405 I was not AWOL. And I would go to Beverly Hills, and I was driving. And it was early in the morning. And these, this murder of crows (Brad: murder) flew in front of my car, as I'm driving. And I was like, "Oh my God!", and I like didn't hit any of them. But I was like, "that was so close". And then one boomerang back. And I swear I had to look back at my rearview mirror, make sure they're flying away. And it really like, it's so weird, like pigeons flying for your car, all the things, squirrels and you don't go "oh my god". I mean, it's like you don't want to hit them. But like this one, I got to the studio. And the client that I was teaching that day, it was the first time I was meeting her. And something came up about weird things in the morning. I said the weirdest thing just happened to me and I told her the story and she is a medium. And she said oh, I think you just met your spirit animal. And I was like "a crow? aren't like those like for like witches" like I don't understand. Anyways, I look up crows. They are frickin the best spirit animal like really, really awesome. They're so freakin smart. And so I got really excited. So every time I saw crows, I was like, Good luck. Good luck. Good luck. Okay, fast forward years later, a lot of years later, what is this? 2008 So now in 2013. I meet Brad. We don't get to dating until 2014. So it's like November of 2014. We're going to Raine's wedding. Do you remember this, Brad? (Brad: Yeah), those are my dog's ears. (Brad: Santa Barbara) So we're in Santa Barbara, going this wedding. And we're walking down State Street and there is a black raven painted on a doorway. And Brad says to me, I always thought I'd have like a company called like the white Raven. And I was like, oh, yeah, (Brad: I do remember that) You remember that? Yeah, that's so cool. And so anyways like ravens look like crows. Okay, anyways, if you haven't looked at how Brad spells his last name, it's crow. E L L? Okay, now, here we go. That night after the wedding. We're in this hotel in Santa Barbara. It's freaking awesome. I have a dream of a crow flying through the air with the ribbon LL out of its mouth. And Brad and I had agreed that I would never bring up marriage however we were at a wedding. I didn't bring it up. He got invited by my friend. Okay, but I had to tell him this dream because I was like that's so weird. So then I told him about this dream with the CROW and the ribbon at... do you remember this? I told about this like the ribbon is spelling LL, if you look at his last name, CROW e LL So he looks like an en passant LL, my initials. Alright, you're still with me? You're still with me. So then when he finally proposed to me because he got his shit together and he figured out that like I'm the best. Brad Crowell 14:53  Oh, yes. Oh, yeah, I remember that. Right, right. (Lesley: Yeah, I'm the best) ...(Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 14:59  We, we were getting my plan for our wedding. And for whatever reason we decided to get tattoos because we thought that would be a genius. It is genius. Anyways, we got a CROW with the LL spelled out well.Brad Crowell 15:12  I can jump in on that because my so my cousin is an artist, she's a painter. And so I reached out to her and explained to her, Hey, would you be able to do like a watercolor of a crow holding a ribbon blowing out with an LL in the back? And so she, you know, sent over a draft I was like, "Yeah, that's really cool." And she and she painted it. Yeah. And then that actually is what turned into the tattoo.Lesley Logan 15:40  And then it also became a tattoo at our wedding because everyone got to have their own fake tattoo version. (Brad: yeah temporary tattoos) That's a different story. Later anyways. Now, Brad has a company called As The Crows Fly. It's not white Raven, but it's pretty freakin close. So y'all, this story all the say is, you may have met your spirit animal. And if you have, I highly suggest you go through the research of it. And if you haven't, pay attention, it's probably like pick pick, pick, pick, pick or flying in front of your car, or I don't know. But they're these. These are little they're signs everywhere. And I know this can get really woowoo. This is a one whoo show and I frickin love it. So get your spirit animal. Okay, what did you love it? She said ...(Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 16:27  I forgot we're doing a podcast right, okay. All right.Lesley Logan 16:32  But don't you think it's crazy? You wanted to have a business about a Raven. And now you have a whole company called As The Crows Fly (Brad: It's true) We have retreat space. We named a road in Cambodia. Like you couldn't have crow any you like, where else do you want it? ...(Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 16:48  Okay, I really loved when she very in an offhand way. Said you know, Reiki is not religion. Reiki has no deity. (Lesley: I think it's cool. I didn't know that.) I didn't know that. I it's it's a Japanese art form. Right? And basically, it's an energy exchange. Right. And, and I, I don't know, I just, she said, I grew up in a very Christian world, you know, and then, you know, but this effectively put me in touch with my emotional side, you know, my energy side in a way that, you know, there is no conflict between the religion that she has, and the practice of Reiki that she has. And, and she didn't really go too in depth into this, but that I heard that whole thing. And I walked away with that, because I always thought it was kind of weird. And I didn't really know anything about it. And I just was like, Well, you know, I don't whatever that is, I don't know if I'm down with all that.Lesley Logan 17:53  Well, cuz, it's, I mean, like, I don't know, you saw the craft as our first date, everyone. (Brad: Oh, yeah. Okay.) It's like, you know, "why's a feather stiff as a board"? And it's like hands over a body. And so people can think of Reiki as like some sort of like, weird craft, but like, it has no deity so it isn't it like and I do think for those people who are Christian, we have lots of Christian listeners, Brad and I went to Christian colleges, by the way, you wouldn't know by my foul mouth, but I did And i ...(Lesley laughs), and I you know, I struggle a bit because I like to, I like to tell my parents like you can be Christian and Buddhists and they get stuck on the on the idol. They get stuck on the god, they get stuck on that and like, and Reiki doesn't have that. So like, I think dive all in go find a Reiki instructor or call Jeanieva. I think she has it virtually too. So I don't know. Yeah, I don't wanna put words in her mouth. Brad Crowell 18:41  Well, anyway, I thought that was actually really surprising. I didn't, I didn't know that. So I'm very excited to have listened to her talk about her experience, and how, you know, Reiki has helped her really stay more in touch with her emotional side.Lesley Logan 19:01  Well, and in all this, it's so funny, because it's, I don't know, it's like what you pay attention to, but I'm doing this training on breathwork. And it's trauma informed. And we spend a lot of frickin time with our emotions, like a lot. It's not something I love to do. And and then, you know, I of course, I found her before I even started this program. And I actually think that the, like, the keys to like, peace and love are just a lot of people getting in touch with their emotions. And so if you are struggling with that, and you don't like therapy doesn't sound like you know, as fun as doing laundry. Like we like to say then I highly recommend checking in with a Reiki instructor because you've got to get in touch with those emotions, y'all. SoBrad Crowell 19:46  Yeah. All right. So finally, let's talk about the big action items. What bold, executable intrinsic or targeted action items, can we take away from your conversation with Jeanieva Faith? I'm gonna jump in here and say, have an "I don't give a fuck attitude." I kind of thought this was cool her ... (Lesley: I don't give a fuck, I don't give a fuck, I'm gonna give a fuck) ...(Lesley laughs)But the you know, she said this is something her teacher said because it would bring her the people, friends clients, you know things into her life that she wants around her. And, well, I think that,Lesley Logan 20:31  Well, it just helps you show up more authentically yourself. And that's the hardest part because people say, like, people say all the time, just be your authentic self. Just be your authentic self. (Brad: I mean, in fact, I think that like) Good luck without giving a fuck.Brad Crowell 20:43  A couple of, yeah, right. A couple of episodes ago, I think I said, How do you even do that? Because you have to know yourself, if you're going to show up authentic, you know, as yourself authentically. And that's hard to you know, admit who you are to yourself. (Lesley: Well you might like parts of you. And that's actually okay.) Right. Yeah, sure. And I guess that some people who don't give a fuck still don't like parts of themselves. But I think that if you I don't, I don't say this in a way. That's like, you know, don't have, you know, a moral compass or don't have any of that kind of thing. But I do. Like, it's not like you're, you know, out to hurt other people and you (Lesley: Right) and you're not caring for other people. But having an "I don't give a fuck" about the way you're perceived in the actions that you're doing, is a very freeing thing. Because when you are, if you're constantly worried about how people are thinking about you, you're going to do you know, you're going to act according to how you think they're thinking about you, which is like a reverse chess game ...(Lesley laughs) It's so it's so funny. People are like, I don't play chess, like you fucking do every day with the way you you carry yourself around people. You're acting in a way that you're imagining they're thinking about you. (Lesley: Stop right now. That's so freakin brilliant). It's like, you know, so anyway, if you what if you didn't care about the way that they think about you, then you could just be. Lesley Logan 20:50  Well, okay. Oh my god, my mind is blown right now.(Brad laughs) my like, you know, and all the ideas hit like I have a crash course on ideas in my brain right now. But here's what I think is thank you for prefacing, like this is not a "I'm going to hurt people because I don't give an F." This is not like, you know, throw two sheets to the wind and just do whatever you want to do. It is though, recognizing that you are not a taco and not everyone's going to like you ...(Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 22:40  I love that you keep coming back to this.Lesley Logan 22:41  This is well you know what my friend Kara Lamb I don't know if she listens to this, but I'll have to let her know. She wrote I just don't trust people who don't like tacos. Just don't trust people don't like tacos. And I was like people don't like tacos? You can have a taco made of Hickok like there's not like there's so many flavors of tacos out there. But I say this because I wish I had been told not everyone will like you when I was growing up. I would have not become a perfectionist. I would have not tried to go okay, how do I make sure I don't step on anyone's eggshells. Like how do I like make things like so precious? Like so? We're trying to find different ways of making you understand like not giving a fuck is not hurting people but most importantly is especially not hurting yourself because you playing chess like Brad was saying, like it's like reverse Yoda. What does that whole thing? It's like reverse reverse. Reverse psychology and reverse. So ...(Lesley laugsh) but I just I you are right. It was a couple weeks ago where like how do you know how to be authentically you? And I really do think it's like just being okay, that not everyone's gonna like you. But most importantly try to really like yourself and show up as that person. (Brad: Yeah) Like at the end of the day. Did you like how you are today? That is like the simplest way of not giving an F. Brad Crowell 23:54  That's pretty powerful.Lesley Logan 24:00  Thanks. Anyways, I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 24:03  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 24:04  Thank you so much for joining us today. How are you going to use these Be It action items in your in your life, I for sure want to know Brad wants to know (Brad: I want to know) we're gonna you're gonna do is you're gonna screenshot this, you're gonna tag us to be at pod and you're going to tell us your bold moment where you didn't give an F and you are authentically yourself or what you learned about yourself. If you have questions send to the Be It pod, and until next time, we'll catch on the next episode. (Brad: Bye for now.)That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. 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How was the female body discussed growing up? What is seed cycling? Can you utilize hormones to your benefit? Brad and Lesley break apart these questions and unpack how through listening to your body - you can make your period a superpower. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How to deal with the end of year overwhelmThe stigma of talking about periods in the home The importance of tracking and utilizing the phases of your cycleSeed cyclingThe stigma of the female body and cycles with men Using your cycle as a superpowerListening to your body, the patterns are dataGetting good at asking for helpEpisode References/Links:LESLEY'S HOLIDAY PILATES POP UP TOURGuest Bio:Jenn Pike is a functional diagnostic nutritionist and medical exercise specialist with over 20 years of experience. She helps females recognize the impact that hormones have on every aspect of their body and then helps empower them to become educated in how to utilize their hormones to their benefit. Founder of The Hormone Project, Synched, and The Simplicity Project, Jenn helps females decode what their body is telling them. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookTik TokLinkedIn Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:01  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.(Brad laughs) Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the enlightening convo I had with Jenn Pike in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now, go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us or figure out the... well as you go. Maybe you want to do both. Maybe you want to do this first. I don't know.Pick and choose (Lesley: Pick and choose) you know. (Lesley: Maybe one week you do ...) We have more than 50 episodes to listen to now.I know. It's so many. It's so fun. And people have relistened to certain ones and I frickin' love it. (Brad: Yeah) All right. So we are literally as you're listening to this, hopefully if it's before the 12th we are packing up the ... (Brad: Yeah. We're preppin.) RBG the Rosebud Globetrotter, (Brad: Oh yeah) which Brad has committed to blogging about (Brad: I have) over on onlinepilatesclasses.com We are packing it up because we are hitting the road for the fourth year in a row, (Brad: fourth year) yeah, to go to Philly. And then we added in Florida this time.Brad Crowell 1:42  We gonna all the way down to Miami (Lesley: because we're crazy) (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 1:45  But we love our friends. And (Brad: It will be great) I know so um ...Brad Crowell 1:49  I think that we may be closer to 6000 miles on this trip than any of the others.Lesley Logan 1:54  Yeah, cuz I don't think the others we hit 6000 ...Brad Crowell 1:57  And we're... it's like 55 and then 58 (Lesley: Yeah) you know, and this (Lesley: Well ...) one I think the last year is one was the shortest because we just powered through.Lesley Logan 2:03  We powered through and we moved to Vegas. We started four ... (Brad: Oh, that is true) four hours early. (Brad: We definitely ...) We cut off eight hours, (Brad: Yeah, that's true) at least. I think what I don't know. I don't know. I think the first year (Brad: Yeah) it was like a lot. Anyway, their traffic sucks. Anyways, so because of creative spaces and creative thinking and possibility, we (Brad: Yeah) are bringing back the winter tour. So we are doing a happy hour for peeps who love us and listen to this and our members in Denver, (Brad: Yep) quickie little hot toddy. And somewhere in Denver. I think in the Low Highland area. If you don't know that, then you're probably not from Denver. So no worries. Then we're gonna head over to Pennsylvania to do, I think we're in Lehigh Valley for this class. But we say Philly area. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 2:51  Yeah, so just the... we're gonna be in Denver on the 13th of December. (Lesley: Okay) Right.Lesley Logan 2:56  Oh, yes. Say the dates, then the 19th of December, we have a mat class, inside of a FastPitch, practice thing that I really ... (Brad: It's gonna be a massive venue) is a (Brad: huge) massive venue. And the reason for that is we're still in this weird world so we can spread the heck out (Brad: Oh, yeah) and enjoy an amazing space. I'm so grateful to the FastPitch place for and Alex and his team for giving us this opportunity to use a space like that in the winter time of Philly so we can be together and spread out. Then we're going to head on the 28th to Atlanta area. (Brad: Yes) It's actually Duluth where our friend Joel Crosby of Vitality Method Pilates is hosting us to do semi privates, my fast workshop. (Brad: It's basically all day we're gonna be ...) We're at a studio all frickin' day. (Brad: Yeah) I'm teaching two semi privates. I know one and a half are sold out but rock on, go to the go to the link in the show notes to see what's left. The fast workshop, we have some spots in person and we have a few spots online because (Brad: Virtual) cuz Joel is insane. He's got this humongous screen. So it feels like you're there. I haven't taught this workshop in person since I don't know. I don't even know.Brad Crowell 4:07  Maui? (Lesley: Yeah) Yeah. (Lesley: I think so) 2019 I think 20...Lesley Logan 4:11  Then... Yeah, then we're hitting a rooftop in Miami on December 30th.Yeah, that's gonna be fun. (Lesley: I know) It's me a party, actually.I taught on that spot before it is beautiful. It's going to be at sunset and so again, we could be outdoors. It's lovely. It's Miami, so it's not freezing cold. Don't worry about it. And a great way to end the year and then we're gonna end in Dallas.Yeah, on January 4.Thank you Alicia.Brad Crowell 4:34  We are gonna be in Frisco.Lesley Logan 4:35  Yeah. Which is like near this like, practice field for the Dallas cowboys. If you love them, you know it if you don't, so sorry. It's really cool. Anyways, we're going to be in Frisco, and we have an equipment class there. So super, super fun. If you want to tour with us.Brad Crowell 4:51  Yeah, just go to onlinepilatesclasses.com/tour.Lesley Logan 4:55  Oh, that's a great link. Wonderful. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 4:57  Yeah, come join us, hang out.Lesley Logan 4:59  I'm so excited to hit the road, I really really am. Even though I do realize that I'm gonna be driving all the way across the country to Florida and then back, but it's going to be an adventure. Alright. Babe, do we have an audience question?Brad Crowell 5:11  We definitely did. And this one is very poignant, because it's the end of the year. And the question was, "How do you deal with end of the year overwhelm?"Lesley Logan 5:24  Well, how do you deal with it?Brad Crowell 5:25  I like to bury my head in the sand, pretend that nothing's (Lesley laughs) happening and ignore everything. Nobody can call me. No, I'm lying. You know, it's it's definitely I feel like there's a double obligation. It's not just work stuff, but it's also social. The overwhelm happens with like, all the holiday dinners, and the friends need to see each other and things and, and I love every second of that, but suddenly, it's like, a lot. It's just a lot of stuff, right. And so I think we are intentional about when we're willing to, you know, leave the house and go out. Also, what projects we are expecting to finish. And I think that we have to give ourselves the space and grace to understand that the holidays are going to take at very least one week is of your month is officially gone, right? (Lesley: Yeah) But it could even be longer than that for you know, depends on where you're traveling from or to and all the things. So you know, the end of the year, work really hard until you know, the week before Christmas, and then and then take time off. So,Lesley Logan 6:36  Well, I am I actually think that this particular episode we're recapping is really helpful because it talks about she... Jenn Pike talks about paying attention to patterns in your body and in your life. And something that I think we've gotten really good at at this point is that we know how much stuff we have to wrap up so that we can enjoy the end of the year. We don't always get that done. I do recall last year having to cram a few things in during the vacation time. But we have gotten better. In fact, this year, (Brad: Yeah) I will be filmed through February, we will have this podcast, y'all. Next week, we will be recording or actually while you are listening to this will be recording many of the recaps. So that that's done. So what I would say, (Brad: Definitely trying to plan ahead) whatever is overwhelming you now I would actually make time for yourself this at the end of this year to plan in advance throughout next year. So if you don't want to be cramming things in December, then how can you take what you're having to cram in and spread it out over the other 11 months? Because that's the thing, if you actually spread it out over 11 months, it's like "this much." It's you can't see me on the podcast, but I'm holding up my two fingers like "this much." (Brad: Yeah) And, and so what what I last year, I was actually a little bit more overwhelmed, because I didn't want to be overwhelmed anymore. So, I actually had a film extra and a time of overwhelm so that I can get to a point where I will be filmed ahead and everything that we do. And so I definitely am actually excited about this trip more so because I'm pretty much ready. But I wasn't always that way. And so if you are in overwhelm right now, I've been there and it freakin' sucks. And I would ask yourself, "Does it actually have to be done by the 31st?"Brad Crowell 8:21  Yeah, I think for people who are experiencing overwhelm right now, whether it's because of your family obligations, or it's because of your work obligations? I think if you're not the boss that makes things complicated, of course, if you are the boss, are these deadlines, arbitrary? Did you make them? Do they really have to be done by whatever date? You know, what can you prioritize instead, to make sure that does have to be done on time, something maybe could be bumped to the next year? When it comes to the family. You know, maybe limit your time with your family on purpose, right? I know that one thing that contributes to overwhelm, especially for people who are introverts is not having time alone. Right? So plan ahead, make sure you have time to recharge. (Lesley: Yeah) That's a super important one.Lesley Logan 9:09  Well, I mean, like when we go to your family, we are in their house. And we it's the our bedroom is next to their bedroom. And there's a lot of family gatherings and we want to make sure you see your family because we're only there for a week. And that's it for the whole year. And something I do is I go to bed early. (Brad: Right) I ... I'm like, "Okay, good night everyone." I leave you up with your family and then I wake up early and I walk the dogs by myself. (Brad: Right) I don't want people to walk with me that is my private time. And I really am intentional about that. So I would just take note of the overwhelm you're having right now and really ask like you have to be really honest like 30,000 foot view it's not your personal life. What of this actually has to be done right now? And do you actually throw that party? I know you think, "Oh my God if I know it was party people are gonna knows." People don't notice as much as you think unless the parties in your honor and then yeah, probaly show up. But maybe ... (Brad: Happy birthday) Yeah. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 10:03  Wait, where's the birthday girl? (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 10:06  Wouldn't that be so fun to throw the most amazing party and not be at it? (Brad laughs) I wonder if it's possible? Anyways, I feel you. And what I would say is make an intention this year to set yourself up so you're not in overwhelm next year. (Brad: Yeah) That is not exactly the the answer you're looking for. But I promise you, I'm sitting here for the first time. I think Brad since he's know me. And I'm not like, freaking out about how much I have to get done, because I already put it into schedule. And I'm like, "Oh, it's all doable. (Brad: Yeah) I can do this." (Brad: Yeah.) So anyways, great question, send them into the @be_it_pod on Instagram.Brad Crowell 10:46  Okay, now let's talk about Jenn Pike. Jenn Pike is a functional diagnostic nutritionist, and medical exercise specialist with over 20 years of experience. She helps females recognize the impact that hormones have on every aspect of their body, and then helps empower them to become educated, and how to use their hormones to their benefit. That's an interesting thought there. (Lesley: No, I love it) She is the founder of The Hormone Project, Synched, and The Simplicity Project, and Jen helps females decode what their body is telling them. So that this pretty fascinating. I'm not gonna lie, I ... the first time we heard Jenn talking about this. She did a webinar for Agency for our coaching (Lesley: Yeah) group. And I, I felt like I was out in left field because I really had no idea what she was talking about and it made me curious. So, I went and started reading about different cycles, I didn't even know they're sorry, it's different phases of the cycle, I didn't even know that was a thing. And, and then how that makes, you know, a woman feel or, you know, not feel or frustrated, or, you know, whatever. There's just so many different things that are involved with it, that it's like, far above and beyond anything, I actually really understood about it.Lesley Logan 12:08  I know. And that's crazy, because you have a sister and a mother. And ...Brad Crowell 12:11  And when I say it, I mean, you know, hormone, hormonal cycles. (Lesley: Yeah. But I mean, like ...) We're talking about periods here, people.Lesley Logan 12:17  We are. (Lesley and Brad laughs) So something that I find fascinating is how much we don't talk about periods in households and how it is. And we talked about this before, but it's like soon as it's like, "Oh, I got my period today." Like if it's a bad thing, and it's like actually a superpower that women have, it's like really freaking cool. And you had a mom and a sister. Like, this should be things that like we're very much talked about your household, not ... (Brad: 100% not talked about in my household) And something that I love that is changing is that like, there are women out there who like Jenn who are changing this, like one of our members, Yuki Claire, she has only sons. And all of her sons are fully aware of pelvic floor health, pregnancy, periods, the humans that hormones, because she's like, whether or not they marry a woman doesn't matter. They're going to be around women in their life. (Brad: Right) And it's important that we all know this, because I think it has a negative connotation, when actually it really is as positive, amazing, credible thing. And I have really tried to change my mindset around "Oh my God, my periods here." It's like, "Oh, okay. Look at... this is where I am today, like, (Brad: Yeah) this is really cool." And something I liked that we brought up, or she brought up with seed cycling. And, you know, I ...Brad Crowell 13:30  Before you jump into seed cycling, which I know ... has was so impactful for you, I just wanted to say, your perspective on your own cycle has changed the way that you live in the past six months or so since whatever eight months, whatever it was that she was on our webinar, because I noticed that you don't get frustrated with yourself (Lesley: Yeah) the way that you did before. (Lesley: I know) And also to ... this is a bit strange, because when I met you, you didn't actually ever have a period. (Lesley: That's true.) You never actually had the cycle and that was because of health reasons. (Lesley: Yeah) And that obviously wasn't a good thing. But you never had to deal with it, because it never happened. So for the... I don't know, five years of us being together, it wasn't something you had to deal with. And then like, "Surprise, you were getting healthy." And suddenly (Lesley: Yeah) that came back and you were like, "What the hell?"Lesley Logan 14:27  Yeah, my got my hormones under control. And it came back and I remember being so upset about it. (Brad: Yeah) Even though, it's a positive thing. It's a positive thing ...Brad Crowell 14:35  But that's what I'm saying. You were, you know, like, suddenly your body was operating the way that it should. And then, you know, you were having to deal with this every month again. And that was actually a perspective, "Oh, man. I have to deal with this." (Lesley: Yeah) Right? And it was frustrating you and you know, it would actually really, it was, it was impactful to me. I just want to say that as well because when you were frustrated about it, it wasn't like you were frustrated for like the afternoon. It was like you're frustrated for like five days, (Lesley: Yeah) you know. And so now ever since you, you've been, you know, learning about this too with Jenn stuff, I've noticed that you're different (Lesley: Yeah) about it.Lesley Logan 15:13  I am. And I also will say (Lesley laughs) I've definitely had the team on a bit of an edge, right? Like, "Everyone, I'm going to be changing when everything of mine is due based on my cycle." So, I'm only me filming on one part of my cycle, and I'm not gonna be filming up on my cycle. And I'm only to do these things. And I remember, even your sister was like, "So you're, the dates of things are gonna change every few months?" And I was like, "Yes." (Brad laughs) And feel free to watch this. And if you need to change your due dates, let's talk about that because all these ladies should be on the team, all these ladies on the team should be really like working along with their cycle. And I have to say in the few months that we've been doing my filming on the actual correct time of my cycle, (Brad: Yeah) it's been easy. (Brad: Yeah) And unfortunately, due to I need to film before we go on this road trip, I have to film (Brad: through) film through this time. And I am resentful ... (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 16:11  You can ... you can tell the difference. (Lesley: Yeah) ... because I mean, I noticed you've been jumping on filming. And with... with a way more positive attitude, (Lesley laughs) you know.Lesley Logan 16:19  Well, I always loved I love what we create. But for whatever reason, the week that we arbitrarily chose for me to film was literally the week of the cycle that I should be by myself. (Brad: Right) And like, ruminating, and journaling and all these things. And I know that sounds so "whoo." And it also might even sound privileged because I get to like, decide when I do things. But Jenn does talk about, at least in our webinar, she talked about how, you know, life happens, but she only has so many set work hours of her day. So no matter what part of her cycle is, if she has to show up. (Brad: Right) She can ... (Brad: if not for the whole day.) It's not an eight hour day (Brad: Yeah) of teaching classes, I mean, in them. So anyways, y'all, if you haven't listened this, frickin' just go back and listen to this. Um, she is amazing. She has some great resources, but ...Brad Crowell 17:09  She's also incredibly knowledgeable. (Lesley: So knowledgeable.) Yeah.Lesley Logan 17:13  So um, we're actually having her inside of OPC. So if you're like, (Brad: Oh) in love with her, you should be an OPC member if you're not one already, because she's gonna come in January.Brad Crowell 17:21  And do a webinar for OPC members. (Lesley: Yeah. Yeah, yeah) So cool.Lesley Logan 17:25  I know. I know. And I'm like, I was like, "I love you. I want you. I want to sprinkle your ish everywhere." (Brad laughs)Brad Crowell 17:31  Okay, well, what was one thing that you loved, I cut you off you were talking about?Lesley Logan 17:35  I know. So seed cycling everyone. So it was a little tricky for me when I seed cycling and traveling because bringing seeds ...Brad Crowell 17:40  Okay, (Lesley: from different countries) first off, just like, "What the hell is seed cycling?"Lesley Logan 17:44  Okay, so seed cycling, for my ladies who actually have a menstrual cycle, you will eat two types of seeds during one part of your cycle and two types of seeds, your other part of your cycles, so day one of your period. And through day 14, you do pumpkin seed and flax seed. And I highly recommend this on top of a smoothie. But you just mix it into something you have or just have a handful of pumpkin seeds as a snack and then toss some flax seeds on a salad or something like that. Then the other part of your cycle is sesame seeds and sunflower seeds. Also fun on a salad. You can also have those like sunflower butters and there's like you know sesame oil and things like that. But if you're consistent with that, you will notice that your hormones are actually more balanced out throughout the whole part of your cycle because it's just these foods are actually telling your body like, "Hey, remember, remember to like create this hormone right now." And it's ac... it's all healthy. It's all organic. It's really easy to ...Brad Crowell 18:40   It's literally seeds. We got bags of seeds.Lesley Logan 18:43  We have bags of seed. So I did this for a really long time. And I'm not even kidding you like, ladies, this is like, okay, this might be tmi, boobs get sore during parts of your cycling. And I'm like, "Please don't frickin' hug me" and I'm sure during COVID it's like, "Oh, thank God no one's touching me now." But let me just (Brad laughs) tell you when I did seed cycling, I never had that problem ever again. I still don't and ... I don't even seed cycling anymore but I just got my body on a regimen that's actually part of how we got my period back was seed cycling. So because I can't be on hormones. Um, so anyways, I highly recommend it. It was tricky for me and traveling because I would go, "Oh my God, I'm going through customs with all these loose seeds." (Brad and Lesley laughs) In zip-lock baggies but um ...Brad Crowell 19:19  Yeah, it did... that did look funny.Lesley Logan 19:21  We did not take him through New Zealand and Australia. I just bought seeds when I got there. But at any rate, if you are someone who's trying to be a little bit more organic, a little bit healthy, unsure of how to track your cycle, you can do seed cycling. Also my ladies who've gone through menopause, you can seed cycle with the moon. And I would just Google that because I actually don't remember how it works with the moon but you can do that and also your husband's ... (Brad: I was just gonna say this. Yeah) So husbands, men or just men in a household of women. You can seed cycle the reverse of the moon cycle, because men who live with women for a long time their testosterone levels go down (Brad: Yeah) because estrogen is like powerful and real, I have we haven't gotten that already from this episode. And so you can do that to keep your testosterone levels a little bit more regulated.Brad Crowell 20:08  Yeah. So and that's, that's pretty fascinating. In fact, that was ...Lesley Logan 20:13  It's that so cool the earth can do? Like, I think it's so we look for all these like things that people have created but like the friggin' earth has already been like, "Here you go, (Brad: here's your seeds) here's your here's your hormones, cycled for you."Brad Crowell 20:25  Well, I was gonna say that the thing that I loved about it, what this was a good lead up to it, is the stigma of the female body and cycles involving men. (Lesley: Yeah) Right? And you kind of already hinted at this with, you know, one of our, one of our coaching clients ... she has a house full of boys and obviously husband, and she ... So basically, she's like, the female in the household, (Lesley: Yeah) right? And I didn't grow up that way, I do have a sister, I do have a mom, and my- I have a brother and a dad. But we never talked about this, the only thing I ever learned about this was in school. And of course, that's funny and awkward and weird and silly and like, you know, like, (Lesley: Yeah) you know, immature? (Lesley: Yeah) And so, there was never any point where I actually understood, the only thing that I ever understood was that, you know, that it was... the process of going through the period is the woman's body, flushing out the unused, you know, parts for potentially having a baby, right? That's the only thing I ever really knew. And I knew I have it once a month. And that was the only thing I really ever knew. But I never understood how it affected a woman's mood, like, feeling, sensitivity, like, like, you know, skin, like I ... (Lesley: Yeah) like, you know, how it completely changes the way you approach things, your enthusiasm for, you know, anything, you know, I never actually understood this other than, like, the common, you know, stereotype of like, "Oh, it must be that time a month," because, you know, they're upset all the time, or whatever. And I don't think that's fair (Lesley: Right) because that's not actually ... you know, like, of course, there's some, a little bit of that there. But that's not like, it's not necessarily a given. Right? And it also, you know, it could be depression, (Lesley: Yeah) maybe it's not anger, maybe it's depression, or, you know, or, like stepping away and feeling like you want time alone, like it could change all these things. And I just never, I never was never aware of any of this.Lesley Logan 22:43  It's also like, I this is gonna, this is really interesting, but I am in a breathwork certification. And there's some interesting things that that people are doing with, with this cycle and like studying it all and everything and and the truth is, it's the only bloodshed that actually grosses people out. Which makes no sense to me. (Brad: Oh, that is ...) Because it's a natural thing that happens. It's ... (Brad: That's an interesting point) It naturally happens, women do not have control over when it happens. I mean, unless you do birth control, and then you can mix it around. But I highly recommend you try not to do that because it's not ideal. But it also like it grosses people out when like girls have to grab a tampon, and for whatever reason, they put in the most noise making frickin' plastic. (Brad laughs) So embarrassing. And then like, but then people make fun of them or whatever. If they see period blood on pants like, "Ew, gross," it's like, but that's the only one that's natural. But we have no problem seeing blood in movies where people are shot or horror films, things like that. Like that doesn't gross people out but it horrifies people to see period blood on a girl. And that is weird to me. And so anyways ... (Brad: I think that's just simply immature) Well, 100% but that's what's trained in people. So ... (Brad: Yeah, it is, it's a stigma.) One of the reasons I brought her on, I think I talked about this podcast is that like, most of you are women who listen to this and if you are a male, then you have women in your lives. And I want you to know about this. But one of the things that holds women back from being it till they see it is not understanding how their body works. (Brad: Right) And not using the superpowers that we have. And Dr. Bender actually was one of our OPC speakers. And she actually talked about how olympic, olympic athlete females are channeling how they train based on their cycle. And it's actually showing really crazy amazing improvements in their time and their races that men can't tap into because men have a 24 hour cycle, not a 28 day cycle or 27 to 29 day cycle. So anyways, this is in.. .incredible information to my female listeners that can literally help you be it till you see it, way faster than anything else. So anyways, um, should we talk about the BE IT action items?Brad Crowell 24:54  No. I wanted to talk a little more about the specifics (Lesley: Oh) of that because when you said superpowers, that's a weird way to say it. Okay. So like, how is it possible that like, you're going through cycle as a superpower. And it made me just pull up the transcript that we have of last episode because one, I just there's one example here, but Jenn talks about going through. So first off the your, your hormonal cycle has phases, right? And she specifically refers to the follicular phase. And she... she describes it by saying, this is where your body, your hormones, and estrogen and testosterone are starting to climb, your uterine lining is starting to thicken again, and typically where we actually feel more connected to our body. So during the follicular phase, we do well with the estrogen surge, we feel more clear, more focus, more energized, we feel happier, we are gung-ho, we want to create new projects, you know, and, you know, so there's this window, when suddenly you're like, really fired up to go be creative and have the energy and the excitement to go do this. So that's when you, Lesley are filming classes now. Right? (Lesley: Yeah) So that's how this can be a superpower because when you're ramping up before the the peak, and then you know, when things shift, and you come back down again, you know, that's when you're taking advantage of your natural rhythm, you know, of your body to do the more exertion of filming four classes in a day, which is like kind of hardcore. So yeah, so anyway, I that's I just wanted to explain how can it be a superpower? It can be a superpower in that way.Lesley Logan 25:05  Yeah. 100... Thank you.Brad Crowell 26:37  Yeah, you're welcome.Lesley Logan 26:39  Yeah. Okay.Brad Crowell 26:41  Awesome. Yeah. So let's talk about the BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Jenn Pike? So for me, I think she kind of threw this in at the very end, basically saying, you know, your body, listen to your body, your body knows, you know, it tells you things. And I thought this was so funny, because I think it was the BE IT action item but last week, or the last episode, your body actually signals to you, we're talking about my runny nose, right? (Lesley laughs)Lesley Logan 27:13  I've been watching for your nose throughout ...Brad Crowell 27:16  No, no. It only happens at like three in the morning when I'm like staring at a computer and I should totally not be awake anymore at that point. So,Lesley Logan 27:22  I'm not awake for that. I can't help you there.Brad Crowell 27:24  Yeah, yeah but you know, she's talking about listening to your body. And, and I, I think that the reason I'm bringing it up again, even though it was already a point from last week is looking at it through this lens of your cycle. Right? There is a, there are, you know, your body and you know, when you're feeling good, and when you're not feeling good. Now there's 1000 variables, how much sleep? How much stress? How much work? How much food? What are you eating? All, you know, are you drinking alcohol? There's like so many different things that can change the way that you feel, of course, but you know, are you able to be sensitive to how your body is feeling during these different phases of your cycle? And, you know, I think that take a look at, evaluate yourself, think about this over the next couple of months and understand like, "Hmm, wow, you know, I really do feel like I'm on fire, you know, you know, this time of the month, and I really feel like I should just be curling up and reading a book with a (Lesley: Yeah) cup of tea on this time of the month."Lesley Logan 28:27  Yeah, I mean, even if you just take out your notes on your phone and just wake like you just write down, I woke up feeling like this. And I went to bed feeling like this. And like, just track that and then go, "Oh, wow, look what it is?" But I mean, I use apps ...Brad Crowell 28:39  I was gonna say, why don't you tell them about that?Lesley Logan 28:40  So Jenn Pike actually told ... told us about the wild AI app, which she is not an affiliate for. And I'm not an affiliate for it, but I frickin' love it. I, it's actually for people who work out and want to track their cycle. And that's why I chose it over other ones. I'm not, I'm not, it's not like a tracker ... I mean, most of the apps tell you when you're like about to have like, it's like good time to have a baby. And I'm like, "I really just wanna know when it's like a good time to not have a baby." (Lesley laughs) So, but I like this one because it actually says like, on these days, train harder. On these days, don't train as hard. And what I noticed is that the moment I started paying attention to that, I was able to give myself a lot of permission of like, it literally says not to train so hard. So it's okay if you just feel like going for a walk because I'm like, "I just feel like going for a walk. I don't want to go for a run." It's like yeah, because your body just freakin' wants to go for a walk and the and your cycle says I just want to go for a walk right now. And so what's really cool is that if you don't have, if you don't have a doctor that you can call all the time, which I don't. There are some amazing apps and this one is built by females which is im-freakin' important and, and doctors in women's health and so that's the app I use and since I've been using it, my shit shows up on exact day, all the friggin' time. And I'm not surprised. And I have an app that says, "This is what you should be eating right now." Like, "This is a protein you should be eating right now. This is the carbs should be eating right now." And it's when you pay attention to that stuff, even if you especially if you want to have babies someday, this information is important. And if you're beyond having babies, it's still important because it is really part of what makes us feel like ourselves and have that and you not guess so anyways, I love your, I love your BE IT action ... you chose ...Brad Crowell 30:30  Yeah, I just realized that I stole yours. Actually, I read them backwards. So that one's yours and ... (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 30:35  Okay, but it's okay, cuz I'm gonna say, "Listen to your body, the patterns are data." (Brad: Right) So, use an app. If you're ... (Brad: Yeah) I hate math, I really, I literally changed my major. So I didn't have to do statistics. So clearly, I'm not exactly interested in data. (Brad and Lesley laughs) But um,Brad Crowell 30:51  No, you are though that's what you were just talking about what the apps like it tells you, (Lesley: Yeah) when you should eat and what you should eat and when and why?Lesley Logan 30:57  Yeah. But I don't have to analyze it. (Brad: Yeah, yeah) It just tells me. (Brad: Yeah) So ... Brad Crowell 31:00  It really they help you compile the information.Lesley Logan 31:02  I also think ... whether you're male or female, like your body really is telling you something. My mom just Marco Polo me. She's having TMJ. Right? She's got this thing. And and she's like, "Maybe it says, maybe it says, maybe it says." It's like, but there are patterns, (Brad: Yeah) if you write it down, like when I was having digestive health issues. That was the interesting thing about it, it was like, the pattern was a little odd. And we actually thought it was a parasite for a little bit. But when I actually like looked at, when I actually wrote it down and got really, really like into the data of listening to my body, we were able to figure out, "Oh, this is why you're not sleeping. This why I have the period. This is why you are too skinny." (Brad: Yeah) And, and so and all of that was just really affecting my life and probably shortening the years that I have on this planet which I am getting back because I have a mission to complete. So anyways, please don't bury or explain away or shove what your body is telling you into a corner until later. It is ... unless you are a brain surgeon. Like literally, your most stuff can wait til tomorrow, get some sleep, write things down, have (Brad: Yeah) a little journal, have a note on your phone, maybe you dictate it. But take some time to get either support with an app or a person to help you figure out the patterns that you're seeing.Brad Crowell 32:20  And also to the the other action item we were pulling out the BE IT action item was to ask for help when your body seems out of whack. (Lesley: Yeah) And, you know, I know that that's can be a challenge for many people is asking for help. But I think this makes me recall the conversation with Jennifer, Jennifer van Barneveld-Pe.Lesley Logan 32:46  Oh, another Torontoronian...Brad Crowell 32:49  Which is where (Lesley: and they are friends, actually.) I think you heard Jenn Pike on her pod. (Lesley: Yeah, yeah) And basically, Jennifer, we... the question was, "How do you run a company now when you have kids?" And she said, "Oh, I got really good at asking for help." (Lesley: Yeah) And, you know, Jenn Pike said the same thing, "Hey, when I'm, you know, I already know ahead of time when I'm not going to be feeling great," because she's very, you know, she tracks everything very intentionally. So she's like, "Look, during this time, you know, is when I know, I need to be asking for more help." And, and, and I think that, it, I think that having this conversation with a partner is going to demystify it, it's going to change it. And it's going to allow for, you know, your partner to understand like, "Okay, cool, yeah, I can step it up, you know, during this time, and that's actually gonna benefit me, too." (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 33:40  Yeah. And I think that, you know, since we've had her on, because, I mean, we recorded this podcast a while back, we had her on in, I think it was like June or July and set the Agency webinar. And I literally was like, "Okay, I'm, this is the app I'm using, I'm changing this now." And I I know everyone on the team was a little nervous when I was like, "I'm gonna change all of my due dates and everything based on my cycle." But everyone's getting their stuff (Brad: Oh, yeah) on time, (Brad: And we're ahead of time.) with enthusiasm. (Brad: Yeah, yeah) (Lesley laughs) And they and I have also been really honest with them. I said, "I'm really nervous about getting these things done by this date," because of when I'm going to how I'm going to feel and everyone has been able to go, "Okay, what has to get done? (Brad: Yeah.) How do we make this happen? How can we support?" And I'm like, "I don't even feel guilty about that." And I and I think in the past before actually appreciating all of this, I think I might have but y'all asking for help is also actually really freaking cool. It is not a sign of weakness is a sign of strength and power and you cannot be it till you see it, on your own. (Brad: That's true) It makes me think of um, you know, My Cousin Vinnie ... (Brad gasps) the movie. (Brad: Yes) At the very end when he gets really mad at Marisa Tomei, whatever her character's name is, because she helped him with a case she like did something to help with the case. And he's like, "I want to do this first case on my own." She goes, "Oh my God, imagine winning all of your cases." And at the end, you have to say, "Thank you." (Brad and Lesley laughs) Oh my God, what a fucking problem. What a nightmare? And I just think I wish I understood that when I was a child, because that's when my mom loved that movie. But I wish I'd understood that because I think I would have been like, it's actually not a nightmare to ask people for help ... and say thank you. It's usually really freaking cool to not do this alone. And you don't have to do your cycle alone. And you don't have to be it till you see it alone. So, (Brad: That's true) All right. I'm Lesley Logan.And I'm Brad Crowell.Thank you so much for joining... joining us today. We're so grateful you're here. (Brad: Yes) How are you going to use these tips in your life? Let us know by sending a DM to the pod on Instagram. Make sure you tag Jenn Pike. She's got two Ns and myself and let us know and we'll catch you on the next episode.Brad Crowell 35:50  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 35:54  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others BE IT TILL YOUS SEE IT. Have an awesome day!'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.Brad Crowell 36:27  It's written produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli.Lesley Logan 36:38  Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing.Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. 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If you hear conflicting advice do you end up getting stuck? Do you beat yourself up about it? Today LL and Brad talk more about that, how we often hold ourselves accountable to things that aren't even of our own design, and why we should definitely, absolutely, 100% bet on ourselves first.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:OPC flashcards are now on AmazonBold moment from Amanda: implemented changes to my class scheduleWe think Launa Jae McClung should be a comedian :-)The mental cycle of how we judge ourselvesSometimes we make it our fault instead of recognizing the system is flawedGet really good at deciding where you get your information fromYou have a 100% survival rate of every situationEpisode References/Links:OPC Flashcards are on AmazonOPC Flashcards are on our site  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookTik TokLinkedIn Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:01  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the candid convo I had with Launa McClung in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now. Go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us. Seriously, you cannot skip that one.Brad Crowell 1:03  It's a great, hilarious, (Lesley: It's so ...) candid interview. (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 1:06  Yeah ... Her her words are amazing. She is, she is worth the follow my friends. I promise. (Lesley laughs) So anyways, we had something exciting happen, y'all. We've been working on this behind the scenes for so freakin' long (I actually forgot we're working on it.) (Brad: Yeah) Brad, what's happening?Brad Crowell 1:27  We finally opened up an Amazon account for onlinepilatesclasses.com.For the flashcards. (Brad laughs)Yeah, there's an account right now currently, we have two products up. We got the flashcards for the mat and reformer on there. And we'll have some others up there eventually. But it... I'm not kidding. It took four months to get this stupid account open. It was quite a process, fighting with Amazon to get everything exactly the way we needed it to be with the name of it because they don't like having ".com" in the name (Lesley: No) of the brand.Lesley Logan 2:01  And we couldn't just be OPC or Online Pilates Classes because ... (Brad: It's a little too vague. So ...) And so it's also our name. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 2:09  Right. So anyway, that was a fight. But we got it, we got what we needed. It's finally up. It's live. And that's very exciting. So if you prefer to that we ... Look, shop from our site, or shop from Amazon.Lesley Logan 2:27  Yeah, we're not sending you away from our site, please come to our site. But we also know that maybe you trust us and know us, you're like, "No problem!" (Brad: Right) But maybe your friends and family like, "I don't know, I prefer to trust the man." So ... (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 2:41  Yeah and (Lesley: That's fine) I mean, you know, Amazon obviously takes care of their customers, all the things. Does ship Prime so they can get it like in two days, (Lesley: Yeah) which is great. I mean, ours, I think ours gets there in three days. So it's not too bad. But anyway, you know, you're protected with Amazon and all those things. So ...Lesley Logan 2:57  You're also parti... you're very much protected with us. But look, (Brad: Yeah) we just know (Brad: That's true) that some people don't carry their credit card around. (Brad: Right) And so you have it already stored there. And you want to just like click and ship, you know, like add to cart, and then like, you know, skip it all the way like you can even swipe now. You're like, just send it and it's like, you know, so I get it and we wanted to basically our mission is "More bodies doing Pilates," and getting these ... (Brad: More bodies doing Pilates.) Getting our cards on Amazon is part of that mission because (Brad: Yeah) not everyone knows me. I know. You can't believe it. (Brad laughs) You can't believe it because you're like everybody knows LL, but not everyone does. And so this, this is our opportunity to help spread the word. So you can buy it from us or you can buy it from Amazon. Both links will be below in the show notes.Brad Crowell 3:42  Okay, I think we've exhausted that.Lesley Logan 3:43  ... I think so. Here we go. Oh, but first. (Brad and Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 3:50  Wow, that was a very natural transition right there.Lesley Logan 3:53  You know, just call me "grace" over here. (Brad and Lesley laughs) So normally we have a question, but this week, we have a bold moment. Yeah. (Brad: Yeah) Okay. What's a bold moment? Tell everyone we started last week.Brad Crowell 4:06  Yeah. So I think this bold moment number two. (Lesley: Yeah) We have had some very exciting feedback from those who are following the pod. And they submitted a bold moment that they did in their life, and they were celebrating the win and they shared it with us. And we thought it was so cool. We thought we would share it with you.Lesley Logan 4:28  Yeah, so this is from Mandy and so if you want to send me a bold moment, you just have to say bold moment. Mandy didn't say that but I'm sharing it because it's fucking bold. Here we go. "Hope you get this message because I want to say a huge thank you. As a result of taking your workshop on multi level classes and your podcast focus on taking messy action, I began implementing changes and how I run semiprivate trio and quad sessions at her at my studio." (Brad: Amazing.) I know. "In the past, I would have waited until everything was perfect before getting started but as you say 'perfect is boring' and without action, nothing changes. So I jumped in outside of my comfort zone and my clients have expressed appreciation for the change notice in the value, while graciously understand that beginnings can be a bit chaotic. I'm encouraged, energized and grateful for what I get to do every day. Thank you very, very much."Brad Crowell 5:16  Oh, that's amazing.Lesley Logan 5:17  Is that's so cool.Brad Crowell 5:18  That's exactly why we do this pod. (Lesley: I know) To encourage you, to get out there, get it started. Don't let it you know, don't don't let it linger. Because that's what it's very easy to do to think like, you know, what I'm bringing mi... you know, the people won't see the value in it until it's perfect, all that kind of stuff. But the truth is, you just got to start you got to start sometime. So (Lesley: Yeah) we're here to encourage you to keep doing that. We... so Mandy, thank you for sharing that that was really lovely. And ...Lesley Logan 5:49  I'm also glad I got that message that wasn't one of those like random Facebook requests, but like the hidden ones like you (Brad: Oh, cool. Yeah) you know, like pass. It's like three different steps ... (Brad: Hits us up on IG.) Yeah. (Brad: It's a little more direct) You can also hit me up on Facebook, but it's it's quite possible you end up in the purgatory, because it's not really where I hang out. But anyways, Mandy got through and you know what good things will, they get through. So, congratulations. (Brad laughs) All right. Thank you for that bold moment. I want to read more keep them coming.Brad Crowell 6:15  Amazing. All right. Now let's talk about Launa McClung. Launa Jae McClung is a nutritionist, a Crossfit coach and a giver who gets energy from pouring into other people. She helps her clients dial in fat loss through counting macros, and then learning how to sustainably build a plate to keep the fat at bay long after they are finished working with her. And she's hilarious.Lesley Logan 6:41  Oh, she's so funny. (Brad laughs) Also, did you know that we like we were already connected to Launa before I met Launa? (Brad: No!) One of our other members Holly is also like really close friends with her.Brad Crowell 6:52  Get out of here. (Lesley: I know) I know, Holly.Lesley Logan 6:54  I know you know Holly. (Brad: Yeah) And I was ... (Lesley laughs) And I, I think Holly posted a picture of me when I was in Dallas, and Launa was like, "You know my girl, Holly?"Brad Crowell 7:03  What? That's so funny. I did not know that. Well, amazing.Lesley Logan 7:07  Yeah. Anyways, I love how small the world is.Brad Crowell 7:09  Yeah, so Launa Jae.Lesley Logan 7:10  Yeah. We had to ... was a fun conversation. She is hilarious. I ...Brad Crowell 7:15  Oh, yeah. She just off the cuff is, is like a comedian.Lesley Logan 7:19  Yeah. (Brad: She's great.) I know in your next life, Launa maybe, maybe you're a comedian, but if you're like me, and you don't like to stay up late. It's probably not in your future either. But something I loved. She said a lot of funny things that I really did enjoy. But ... Brad Crowell 7:32  Oh, come on. There's, I mean, meeting your maker .... There was so many one liners ...Lesley Logan 7:37  ... Like, well, I don't even know how we led to being like crawling back into our mother's womb. But like that happened, that came out of the podcast, I never thought that'd be a sentence on the BE IT pod. It is. Now it's there.Brad Crowell 7:48  I mean, I think her description of Crossfit also might be one of my favorite ... Lesley Logan 7:52  You know, we have to share this with Cindy, our trainer. (Brad: Yeah. Yeah, we have to.) We have to send this podcast to her. Anyway, so ... when you listen to this, let us know if the description is accurate. (Lesley and Brad laughs) Well, you know, it must be because Cindy is trying to get us to do the Valentine's Day Massacre...Brad Crowell 8:08  I know. That does does that sound fun!Lesley Logan 8:11  It doesn't sound like I'm gonna want to be with my valentine later that day. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 8:15  Sign me up for the massacre...Lesley Logan 8:17  Sounds like we're gonna be in an ice bath later. But anyways, we'll do we'll do whatever keeps us strong and young. Okay. Anyways, back to Launa and (Brad: Yeah) what she said. So, I actually wanted to bring this up again, because I think this cycle that she talks about can be, you can insert any word here. So she said the binge guilt shame self-worth cycle based on the confusion of conflicting diet advice is like we talked about, like all that comes from it because you start one diet, but then you have this other diet that didn't work. So you feel like it's you ...Brad Crowell 8:47  Coffee's good. Coffee is bad. Wine is good. Wine is bad. (Lesley: Yeah) Eggs are good. Eggs are bad.Lesley Logan 8:53  But you ... but when no one ever judge is like the source of the information. They're like, "Oh, I must not be drinking the coffee correctly. I must not be there's something wrong with me." (Brad: Like they make it their fault, right? Right. Yeah) Yes. Yes. Yes. And that is an interesting cycle confusion that can happen with anything. Maybe you're reading three different business coaches, one person saying, "Instagram is dead." The other person saying, "Instagram is amazing, screw email," and like or maybe you're trying to like find a date. (Lesley laughs) And like you've got one person saying, "It's all about Hinge." The other person saying, "Get outside and just walk up to people." Like, that's all confusing. You got to really, first of all, you have to understand that most often. It is rarely you and is often the design that is flawed ...Brad Crowell 9:39  Well, I would ... I would I would advise you not to just walk up to people. If you're looking for a date, like, "Hey, are you single?"Lesley Logan 9:46  Well, they're making a movie about someone just pulling someone out of the audience. So JLo is about to ruin your recommendation right there. (Brad: Yeah. I guess that is true.) But if you listen to Brad's advice, don't listen to JLo's advice and you won't be confused. (Lesley laughs) Anyways, um yeah, I just think that it's really important that you get really close with ... get, get really good at understanding where you are taking information and be cognizant of whose information you allow in. And then if things don't work out, I mean, I don't want to create a bunch of egotistical people who blame. But also, if you're listening to this more than likely than not, you're not a blamer, you're shamer. And so you're gonna take on the responsibility of the flaw of the design as opposed to a character flaw. So just, you know, stick with a stick, get someone's advice, do your ...Brad Crowell 10:33  Well, let's also talk about the, you know, she was talking about eating, right? Binge (Lesley: Yeah) then the guilt then the shame than the self worth conversation, the cycle, (Lesley: Yeah) right? So whatever it is, if it's whether it's food, or whether it's something else, you know, when you you know, feel then like you do an action, then you feel guilty, then you feel shame over it. And then you you like, measure yourself against this feeling that you've had of like, you know, for me, when I was younger, it was like, my friends were drinking when I was a teenager, right? And I wanted to drink but then I felt guilty about wanting to drink because I knew I knew drinking was bad.Lesley Logan 11:13  You just felt guilty (Brad: You know ...) about wanting to do it.Brad Crowell 11:15  Oh, yeah. I never actually did. Yeah, I didn't drink until (Lesley: Wow) I was ... No, I think I had my first drink when I was 19, which is still was illegal. But I was adult enough to like, make a decision at that point. But my friends started drinking younger than that. And I was like, "No, I can't. I just can't do it." You know, because like, you know, I was like, my parents were like, "You can't drink." So I said "no."Lesley Logan 11:32  So then you're shaming yourself. (Brad: Yeah. Then I would ...) And thinking about wanting to do it.Brad Crowell 11:35  Then I felt guilty for wanting to drink even because my friends were drinking. And I didn't see they weren't being ridiculous. They were just drinking, right? It wasn't like they were getting plastered and driving cars into trees. They were just drinking and having a party, you know? And I thought, well, they don't like they don't look like anything is crazy. So maybe drinking isn't bad. But then I felt guilty for wanting to drink. And then I felt shame around the whole thing. So I totally understand the cycle. (Brad laughs) (Lesley: Oh my gosh, poor young Brad) I'm gonna make myself also sound like a total nerd. This sounds like Hermione, talking to Ron about girls' feelings. That's what this sounds like. Yeah. Anyway, ... all of those things can be felt by one person. Yes ... (Brad and Lesley laughs)Lesley Logan 11:36  Oh, my gosh, I love you so much. (Brad: Yeah) I mean, but what you're, what you're saying is you've accurately described how people feel when it comes to dieting, or how people feel about changes they want to make in their lives. And (Brad: Sure) I just think it's so important that you just honor, you honor what your goals were originally and you love yourself, and then try not to take in too many different people's advice at the same time on the same topic, because that's gonna make you confused and also in shame. And that's like, that sounds like a really sad place to be.Brad Crowell 12:44  Yeah, it's not a fun cycle.Lesley Logan 12:46  Okay, what did you love?Brad Crowell 12:47  Alright, so, you know, this is not something that I'm particularly good at doing, which is why I loved her saying it. She said, "Listen to what your body wants." And I, this, for me, always comes back to sleep. For the first 35 years of my life, I decided I'll sleep when I'm dead. You know, and I literally said that to everyone. I said that to myself. I said it out loud. It was just my mantra. And, you know, I ended up I shared this before on the pod, but I ended up in the hospital, when I was in college, because I didn't sleep. I have, you know, like, like, fallen asleep at the wheel because I didn't sleep. Only momentarily, but it has happened. You know, that's terrifying. You know, so the reality is listening to what your body wants. You know, we, you might not understand it right away. But you will start to pick up the signs of, you know, for me what what's like the most blatant sign that my body needs sleep is my nose will start to run. (Lesley: Really?) Yeah, my nose starts running (Lesley: Oh my gosh) for no reason. (Lesley: Next time.) I'm like, "Oh, I have to go to sleep" because I'm clearly past the point. My body's like, "You're done, dude." You know, but they're ...Lesley Logan 14:05  Wow! That is an incredible insight.Brad Crowell 14:07  Yeah. I mean, I said again, I like was doing sleep deprivation for 35 years. So I know how it works, right? But you know, whatever it might be what maybe it's hunger. Maybe it's food, maybe it's coffee. Maybe it's bleary eyed. Maybe it's your hearing, there are things that your body will tell you about how you're treating it. And we often, it's easy to ignore because we have the will power to march on or do whatever it might be. And what I started doing in the last like two years was when I and I'm like tired. In the middle of the afternoon, I will go take a nap. And then ...Lesley Logan 14:46  You've been doing really good with taking naps. When your body says to nap.Brad Crowell 14:50  I don't do that all the time. You know, but what I've what I've started to allow myself is downtime where I'm tired. For example last night I was tired. And it was literally 7:30. And I was like, "It's time (Lesley: I know) to go to bed."Lesley Logan 15:06  Isn't that so fun to go to bed? When you're like, "Oh, it's time to go to bed."Brad Crowell 15:10  I mean, maybe I don't know, I think that that's the weirdest thing because I probably could have watched. I mean, I can watch two hours, two movies in the time, I normally would have gone to bed, which is like a little after midnight, you know, but ... (Lesley: Oh my God. But ...) That's the argument that goes through my head where I'm like, "This time, I'm wasting this time by sleeping." Right? It's like ... and I understand, (Lesley: Okay) that's clearly not the conversations you have.Lesley Logan 15:32  ... This is why he has an Oura ring. Because I need to get him and my dad understanding how important their sleep is. And now they're like, "Oh, I got a 79. Oh, I got a 90." And then they're like, "How did I get a 90?" And now they're actually trying to get more sleep in and they're being conscious of it. (Brad: Yeah.) But yeah, I think, listen to what your body wants. That is also something that takes time y'all and like, but the more you do, the more you explore. And then you also it doesn't have to be right, like if you maybe your nose doesn't run when you're sleeping, maybe it doesn't maybe gets dried up, but like, just what is it like experiment is what I would say and so have fun with that experimenting and go, "Oh, I think I'm tired right now. Okay, we'll go take a nap." If you didn't fall asleep, then maybe you were actually just needing some water, maybe need some vitamin D, try the different things until you figure out. (Brad: Yeah, that's ...) ... another sign.Brad Crowell 16:20  I think food is another one that we easily ignore. I know most of my colleagues and friends would just skip lunch when we were in the office. (Lesley: Yeah) Because you don't have time and you're running around ...Lesley Logan 16:30  All the stories we're telling ourselves. (Brad: Yeah) And also, um, what was I going to say? Well, it ran out the window, but ...Brad Crowell 16:38  You talking about drinking water.Lesley Logan 16:39  Oh, yeah. (Brad: You know) So thank you. Sometimes you think you're hungry when you're thirsty. That's what the studies ... say. (Brad: Oh, interesting) Yeah, that's the study say. Okay, Amanda (Brad: Well ...) goodluck with that one. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 16:52  Yeah. So anyway,Lesley Logan 16:53  She sells sheasells down by the seashore (Brad and Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 16:57  Oh, geez. (Lesley: All right. Here we go.) All right. So finally, let's talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Launa McClung? Ah, right. That's why I go to bed. So ... (Lesley laughs)Lesley Logan 17:14  I love you so much. I hope this is not anyone's first time listening, because (Brad: Yeah) all this makes sense if you listen to us all the time...Brad Crowell 17:21  Okay, so she, she did something that another thing that I was really bad at for a very long time, was setting boundaries. She said, you know, "When I started working for myself, I began to just tell my clients, I'm available nine to five, Monday to Friday." And for her, she's got a different setup than we do. She allows people to vox her (v o x which is a voxer, v o x e r is an app, whatever.) And it just is effectively like a direct message straight to her. And she said, she turns it off after 5pm, it's off. And her clients because she's repeated this consistently, know, if they hit her up on Saturday, she will not get back to them until Monday. And for her that has allowed her to step away from, you know, a being an entrepreneur working from home doing all the things that you know, especially in the last year, many of us have begun to do. But I don't know about you, but I've noticed that I just work all the time now... like forever. I never seem to stop, you know ...Lesley Logan 18:26  Well, cuz you've always you've we've actually been you've been working from home since 2016 ... (Brad: Yeah, yeah.) It wasn't like you were like, had boundaries and didn't have boundaries. And you're like, "Oh, I need to go back to that." It's like, "Nope." (Lesley laughs) It's like you go work whenever you can sit at your desk.Brad Crowell 18:41  Yeah, and she also did something that I I don't know that I can do. (Brad laughs) She said she hides her phone. (Lesley: No, not impossi.... it's not possible thing) And she said she actually like will be out with friends and the friends will know that she doesn't have any idea or her phone is so she can't be responsible for calling the Uber or even like telling you what time it is because she doesn't have her phone. And that is I would say that's a hurdle for me that's a challenge ... Lesley Logan 19:06  ... sounds like like free falling. It's like, "What time is it? ... What day is it?" Like (Brad: Yeah, yeah) "Where am I?" (Brad laughs) I feel like that when we are in Cambodia and I don't have Wi-Fi and I'm like ...Brad Crowell 19:18  Right. You're just out and about in the temples and it just happens to be the afternoon. (Lesley: Yeah) What time doesn't matter. So I haven't gotten that far yet. But I thought that was really impressive. And I I think it's also a great tool if that is a vise for you to maybe try what Launa's doing there.Lesley Logan 19:37  Yeah, Okay my turn. I love this quote that she was, like she was we pulled for it. Like, "You have 100% survival rate of every situation, everything scary, everything big that you've ever been in." Right? Can you like just picture that? Everything is scary, (Brad: 100% survival rate) everything, every situation that didn't go the way you expected, all of them. If you're listening to this, it means you're alive and you survived all the bad days. So if you can count on one person, the entire world to be to put your best interest in, out front and foremost, it's you. So if you've survived everything you've been through, you'll survive this too. And if it's up to you, you got really good odds. I freaking love it. Brad Crowell 20:19  Yeah. So this ... (Lesley: I love it so much.) this is the putting yourself first. (Lesley: Yes.) Yeah.Lesley Logan 20:25  I know ... Of course.Brad Crowell 20:27  It's brilliant. It's also a great twist on the idea of it.Lesley Logan 20:30  I think so because we've heard like, you've survived 100% of all bad days.Brad Crowell 20:36  No, I was gonna say, you know, we think that putting ourselves first is selfish. (Lesley: Oh) Right? And so this is, this is effectively while the argument there is our argument against that is it's not selfish. You have to sew into yourself in order to serve others better. (Lesley: Yeah) Launa's argument to that is, if there's a horse to bet on in the race, it's you because you're still here and you've survived, you know, through (Lesley: Yeah) all the things, whatever the things are, you have made it through. So who would you rather bet on somebody else or yourself?Lesley Logan 21:08  Right? Like, how would you rather put all your stuff into somebody else? When things go wrong, you can bet on you. Yeah, (Brad: Yeah) Yeah. I anyways, all of it. I'm into. And I just think it's such a great reminder when we're going through stuff or we have to choose, sometimes you have to choose between putting yourself first and doing something for someone else. And this might be the reminder that you need to put yourself first a little bit more than you think. (Brad: Yeah) Probably more than you think.Brad Crowell 21:34  Yeah. 100%Lesley Logan 21:36  All right. I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 21:37  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 21:38  Thank you so much for joining us today. We are freaking grateful that you're here. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Let us know by sending us a DM on the @be_it_pod on Instagram. And we'll catch you on the next episode.Brad Crowell 21:51  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 21:55  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It TilI You See It. Have an awesome day!'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.Brad Crowell 22:27  It's written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 22:34  Kevin and Bel at Disenyo handle all of our audio editing and some social media content.Brad Crowell 22:40  Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. 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Bradly J. Franc (“Brad”), is the creator and author of the Amazon best-selling book entitled The Succession Solution (https://thesuccessionsolution.com/): The Strategic Guide to Business Transition. His firm The Succession Coach LLC, works with business owners to create as well as execute on their succession plans. Brad is an attorney, entrepreneur, and business strategist who specializes in the transfer of family and closely-held businesses. He is also a former board member of Catalyst Connection. Brad began his professional career by becoming a CPA and working for the international accounting firm now known as EY. From there, Brad became an entrepreneurial strategic business adviser and a business lawyer representing every aspect of the closely-held business. Standout Quotes: * "Writing is the highest form of thinking" - [Brad] * "It's not that there's a particular process but you pick a process" - [Brad] * "The longer you wait, the fewer the options you have, with respect to succession planning" - [Brad] * "You can't do strategic planning unless you understand the company's culture" - [Brad] * "It is incredible how many times people think they know what they have, and they don't" - [Brad] * "Conflict is good, it gets things out" - [Brad] * "All progress begins with honesty" - [Brad] * "Most people overestimate what they can do in a year, they underestimate what they can do in ten" - [Brad] * "If you want to improve something, measure it, if you want to improve something exponentially, measure it and have a report on it" - [Brad] * "Succession planning is a form of strategic planning" - [Brad] * "For things to stay the same, things must change" - [Brad] * "I try to tell that next gen, 'your job is to increase the value and to maintain the values' " - [Brad] Key Takeaways: * Bradley is the author of the Amazon bestseller "The Succession Solution" and his firm, 'The Succession Coach' works with business owners to create and execute their succession plans. Brad is now an entrepreneurial strategic business adviser and a business lawyer representing closely-held businesses. * Brad had started as a CPA with the goal to reduce taxes, and later he went on to go to law school. He realized he was helping but not solving the problem so he merged strategic planning with Estate and Succession planning which formed the Succession Solution. * Initially, his goal was to simply put down the strategy so he could convince himself that it was feasible, however, he realized someone else could also benefit from reading it. This was how he went ahead to write his book, The Succession Solution. * After starting a business that had made losses for two years, Brad employed strategic planning and the difference was clear; the business bounced back. * There are 3 types of succession; Succession of Knowledge, Management, and Ownership. It is unlikely to be able to ensure the succession of management and ownership without the transfer of knowledge. However, more often than not. Succession involves the transfer of ownership with closely held business owners. * The Succession Solution: Brad usually starts by discussing with the significant stakeholders to understand what is on the ground before getting fully involved. He also ensures the family is willing to cooperate and gets commitment upfront. * The 6 stages of the succession plan: The first stage is the Purpose stage; identifying the basic values, the vision, and the "Why?". Next is the Discovery stage; understanding where they are before starting. The third step is the Challenge; to identify their strengths, opportunities, and most importantly, the obstacles. Most of the time what people want to get from the 6 steps is certainty because uncertainty creates anxiety. * Brad emphasizes that conflict is good however, how that conflict is managed is critical. Communication and trust are the reason most companies fail. * The fourth stage of the succession plan is the Mission stage. This is where the group sets milestones and creates strategies to overcome the obstacles previously identified. The Annual stage is next, and here the group decides steps that need to be taken within the next 12 months, to get closer to the milestones already set. The last stage is the Quarterly Review stage where the question is "what do we do in the next 90 days to get closer to the objective for the Annual stage?" * The conversation of succession planning is a function of the board, hence, while members of the younger generation can have a personal conversation with their parents as the business leaders, it is fundamentally expected that the board is well suited to answer these questions. It is also helpful to talk to the professionals. * Giving purpose to the outgoing generation of leaders in the family business is highly essential as it is a part of their transition. A good step is to create a family council for them to transition into, allowing them to offer more insight particularly on the culture and values of the business. The family office and council would also need succession planning. * Succession planning is a form of strategic planning, as such, families should consider commencing strategic planning right after planning for succession. * "The job of the incoming generation is to increase the value and to maintain the values" it is the job of the senior leadership to educate the upcoming leaders on the values of the business. * Lack of planning for succession can ultimately lead to a closure of the business or loss of key employees due to uncertainty. * Listeners who want to know how to get started with succession planning are encouraged to educate themselves first; Brad's book, "The Succession Solution" is a good resource. With adequate knowledge, they can also discuss with professionals. * Brad's letter to his children: Never stop reading; if you want to improve yourself, read books. Episode Timeline: * [00:49] Introducing today's guest, Bradley J Franc. * [01:53] Brad shares his backstory. * [04:25] What inspired you to write your book, "The Succession Story"? * [05:52] Discussing the importance and role of Strategic Planning. * [09:10] At what point do you typically get involved in the business? * [10:50] The Succession Solution (6 stages of the succession plan) * [26:10] How can the upcoming generation approach the conversation of succession planning with the leader in the business? * [32:13] Do you also create succession plans for the family council? * [36:04] Consequences of poor succession planning. * [40:21] What do you suggest as a first step in succession planning? * [42:00] Brad's letter to his children. For more episodes go to BusinessOfFamily.net (https://www.businessoffamily.net/) Sign up for The Business of Family Newsletter (https://www.businessoffamily.net/newsletter) Follow Mike on Twitter @MikeBoyd (https://twitter.com/MikeBoyd) If you feel it's appropriate, I'd so appreciate you taking 30 seconds to Leave a Review on iTunes (http://getpodcast.reviews/id/1525326745), I receive a notification of each review. Thank you! Special Guest: Bradley J Franc .

Brad & Lesley pull out some of Damari's golden nuggets from our last episode's interview with her, digging into how finances should serve as an affirmation, not a trigger - especially when we allow debt to define us. Debt can be debilitating, managing our credit score is so complicated, we don't walk around with little debt chat bubbles, and more.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:• Lesley's love language• Black Friday Cyber Monday deals... links below• When you focus on something, things happen• Why Lesley picked an S Corp for her business• Damari's last name is a Be It moment• How do we choose our titles as entrepreneurs?• We allow debt to define us• Your credit score is based on how you manage debt• We don't have debt chat bubbles...• Finances should serve as an affirmation, not a triggerBlack Friday/Cyber Monday Deals:• Be It Pod Merch https://lesleylogan.co/boutique• Online Pilates Classes https://onlinepilatesclasses.com• Fitness Business Courses https://profitablepilates.comEpisode References/Links• Damari's website https://www.damarigold.com/• The Messy Middle: Finding Your Way Through the Hardest and Most Crucial Part of Any Bold Venture by Scott Belsky https://amzn.to/3DR8ql7If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookTik TokLinkedIn Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:01  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:45  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the rich convo I had with Damari Gold in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now, go back, listen to that one and then come back and join us. You know ... I don't even know how people are listening to these in which order but I am seeing all the different loves you have episode 34, made someone laugh out loud many times that makes me happy. (Lesley laughs) So you know, whichever order ...Brad Crowell 1:18  34 with Jessica Burgio that's a recap.Lesley Logan 1:20  ... I know, I know the evens are recaps, so here we are. So y'all, Happy Thanksgiving for those ... (Brad: Happy Thanksgiving.) If you're listening to this, then right now whether it's Thanksgiving for you or not, I'm just so grateful for you. I know I said it last week in Episode 50. (Brad: What?) But I really am and it was really fun to celebrate the 50th episode because I got to see a lot more love for the pod and I'm just words of affirmation is my love language. So thank you so much, but because it is Thanksgiving. (Brrr brrr brrrrr)Brad Crowell 1:57  What is that mean?Lesley Logan 1:58  Oh, it's like a little like, drumroll. (Lesley table drumming)Brad Crowell 2:00  Oh, I thought you're trying to be Cardi B for a second. (Brad and Lesley laughs)Lesley Logan 2:05  That's Cardi B. (Brad: Yeah) Cardi B is a little one. A drumroll is longer. (Brrrrrrrr)Lesley Logan 2:09  Gotcha. Yeah. (Lesley: I have no idea. That's why I ...) Exciting news. And if you're on our email list, you already are aware (Lesley: Things are on sale.) Starting on Friday the 29th, so the day after Thanksgiving. (Lesley: Yeah, we ...) For only four days we're just gonna do Friday, Saturday Sunday, Monday closes Monday night.Lesley Logan 2:26  We are doing, if you're watching it on YouTube and you just saw everything shake, Gaia is really weird today. Ah ...Brad Crowell 2:35  She threw herself into the table. (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 2:37  I know she also, y'all she loves plastic bottles and today she decided that a can in the trashcan was a plastic bottle. So I do think her eyesight is going ... (Brad: Oh geez.) But anyways, let's go back to these deals. (Brad: Yes.) Um, so on our sites, check out the notes below. We have different amazing deals for different things. So (Brad: Yes) for our Pilates teacher ...Brad Crowell 2:55  We're bringing Las Vegas possible.Lesley Logan 2:57  Yeah. Well, here we go. Well specifics, if you're a teacher hit a Profitable Pilates because good shit is happening with the courses, (Brad: Yeah) you're welcome. (Brad: Yeah) You are welcome. This is the best sale I've ever done on those courses. I don't want to hear it. Just go by them, have fun. I want you to change your business. (Brad: Yeah.) If you are Pilates levah, there's some workshops and some legacy stuff. So get your ass over there and ...Brad Crowell 3:24  At onlinepilatesclasses.com ... YesLesley Logan 3:25  And then over at lesleylogan.coLesley Logan 3:29  Yeah. We got BE IT pod merch.Lesley Logan 3:31  Cuz you know what? You should dress up like me. (Lesley laughs) Also ...Brad Crowell 3:35  And it's on sale right now, (Lesley: It's on sale.) for tomorrow til 29th.Lesley Logan 3:39  It's on sale. And here's the thing. We are old school, elder millennials. I'm so sorry. I do not like that the sales are starting earlier and earlier every year. No ...Brad Crowell 3:48  Yeah, I'm with you (Lesley: I'm in protest ...) in being against to that.Lesley Logan 3:51  I'm in protest. And so this is how I'm showing my protest.Lesley Logan 3:54  It's not Black Friday, Cyber Monday month. (Lesley: No) It's Blackfri-day, Cybermon-day. (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 4:00  Yeah. And just and then what the days in between where, you know, those are your ... (Brad: We are giving you the weekend.) Those are your bonuses. Now, I don't want to hear it when I start celebrating my birthday month. That is true. (Brad laughs) That is real. But it doesn't mean tons of sales in your inbox every frickin' day. So go, go ... go stock up and all the things that make your life better because I'm really excited about it and ... (Brad: Heck yea) Happy Thanksgiving. Okay.Brad Crowell 4:28  All right.Lesley Logan 4:29  So, we, instead of an audience question this week, I actually wanted to share a couple things. I was just doing a coaching call with one of our agency members and she had listened to the episode with Dr. Bender. And when Dr. Bender shared that she umm she has like physical things around for like, just by bringing in the things she wanted. So for example, she wanted money to be around her always ...Lesley Logan 5:02  This is episode 41 with (Lesley: Yeah) Dr. Kelly Bender.Lesley Logan 5:05  So, listen to this. So this is episode 52? (Brad: Yeah.) Okay. So 11 episodes ago, my client listened to the BE IT item from Dr. Bender. And she all... she did what Dr. Bender did. So Dr. Bender had put two $100 bills on a table in her house with a crystal and amethyst crystal on it. And like, you know, she's like, "... Money is around me, flows to me easily." And this client was like, "Okay, I'm going to do it." So she's like, "How much money should I put there?" So she is like, "I'm gonna put the same amount of money as a new client package." So she put three $100 bills in her desk drawer. And she's like, "I don't have any crystals but I had this rock, and I have a bracelet of other crystals. And my mom would collect these like half dollars. And so I put that on there." And she's like, "I've had four new clients for in 11 episodes." That's like three weeks. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 6:02  Like six weeks. Yeah. (Lesley: Oh) Five and a half weeks.Lesley Logan 6:05  Five ... whatever. That's still a new client a week, basically.Brad Crowell 6:08  Oh, it's amazing.Lesley Logan 6:09  It's amazing.Brad Crowell 6:09  I'm not taking away from her (Lesely: So ...) for her achievement at all. I think it's really amazing.Lesley Logan 6:13  So y'all, um, I'm not answering questions, because I'm just sell... to I just want to share with you if you do these BE IT action items. Life is like happening for you.Lesley Logan 6:24  Yeah, I just, I just kind of need to comment because I'm not like, like the overly "woowoo." But I would guess that your client opened the drawer and saw that in there. And it was a consistent reminder. And that kept bringing the idea of getting new clients to the top of her mind. And that's why because she's focused on it brings it you know, you're doing it, (Lesley: Yeah) you're, you're you're going after your you know, you're actually focusing on it. (Lesley: Right) So, (Lesley: Yeah) I absolutely believe that. You know what, when we focus on something things happen. And that's just a real easy physical reminder that you can't miss.Lesley Logan 7:02  Yeah, so anyways, next week, maybe we'll answer a question, or maybe we'll share another win... You know, we're gonna call them bold moments. And maybe so either (Brad: It's a bold moment) we're gonna answer question, or we're gonna ans... we're gonna share a bold moment from our BE IT listeners. And that could be you. So share that with me.Brad Crowell 7:17  Love that.Lesley Logan 7:18  Okay.Brad Crowell 7:20  I'm gonna write that down, "Our first bold moment." (Lesley: Okay.) Oh, yeah. (Lesley: Woo)Lesley Logan 7:27  I had another one, but it's on I screenshot it and I don't I don't know where it is. But someone DM me a bold moment and I need to find it. And I'll maybe I'll share it next week.Brad Crowell 7:37  We'll bring it back.Lesley Logan 7:38  ... It'll be a segue. You know what, we have a new producer, and that's going to be her job. (Lesley laughs)Lesley Logan 7:42  That's true. We have a producer. We hired a producer. (Lesley: I know.) It was really amazing and exciting. I just spent a bunch of time on zoom with her this morning.Lesley Logan 7:51  I like her glasses.Lesley Logan 7:54  Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, she she's she's rad. Her name is Amanda. She does, she has no idea that we're talking about her on the pod.Lesley Logan 8:01  We have to change our outro.Brad Crowell 8:03  Oh, yeah, we got to do all the things. (Lesley: Oh, shoot.) Yeah, no, it's official. (Lesley: Well, she can task us with that) By the time you listen to this, we'll have a new ... (Lesley laughs) maybe we'll have another outro. Well, very soon. (Lesley: Very soon.) Things are gonna change. It's exciting. (Lesley: It's exciting) We're very happy about it. (Lesley: Yeah.) Anyway. (Lesley: Okay.) Okay, now let's talk about the Damari Gold.Lesley Logan 8:22  I love it.Brad Crowell 8:23  Damari Gold is a tax accountant who left the corporate world to open her beach side firm. Her business and her clients are her life. She hates the way we collectively define success and allow debt to stop us in our tracks. And she works with her clients to battle that mentality, creating space for messy beginnings. I really enjoyed your conversation with her. It's actually a lot of fun. (Lesley: Yeah) She, you know, she's gone to school, started working, got her Masters, was working again, decided she actually didn't like working for people. And that's when she wanted to go start her own thing. And then she said she struggled with starting on a thing because she just didn't pull the trigger. And then like couple years in, she finally did. And now she's out on her own. You know, (Sorry, I almost pulled my headphones off.) (Brad and Lesley laughs) Now she's on her own. And and, you know, doing accounting, and what I what I loved about this conversation was that she's anything but a typical accountant, at least from this conversation that ... (Lesley: Oh my God, she isn't) and it was a lot of fun.Lesley Logan 9:37  Or maybe she is and they're all lying to us. (Brad laughs) But like I just loved how honest she was about even her own financial status and life and things like that. (Brad: Sure) Because I think we think of accountants. I mean, your parents are accountants, if I'm not ... (Brad: My dad is) your dad is. (Brad: Yeah) He's like really good with money. (Brad: Yeah. Yes) And so I just think accountants are just like really good with money and like our CPA in California, oh my God, like he scared me. I was like, I, I don't even know, like, he didn't scare me. He's actually so lovely. And he took such good care of us. But like, I'm not even kidding. Like, I ...Lesley Logan 10:11  No. His higher level thinking about money. It was like so different than the way that we conceptualize and it was, it was intimidating. I'm not gonna lie. Lesley Logan 10:11  No, no, he called me into his office. And I was like, "I have to go to my CPA's office."Brad Crowell 10:22  It's like being sent to the principal.Lesley Logan 10:23  I know, he like email me. He's like, "Lesley, we need to have a meeting." I was like, "Oh my God." And he like, sat me down for an hour and explained to me how I couldn't keep doing business the way I was doing business as a sole proprietor. And I needed to choose to be ... he like he's like, "You have to choose. Are you going to be LLC or you're going to be an S Corp?" And it was really funny, because it was like, right before you proposed to me, and he's like, "Well, when your LLC you need to have like these two people. But if your S Corp, you could be you or these other things." And I said, "Well, I think I'm, think I'm going to be an S Corp thing, because it's just me and I'm just dating someone right now. So like, who's gonna be my partner in this?" Ahh! And then you ...Brad Crowell 11:00  That's why you pick the S Corp? (Lesley: I know) (Lesley laughs) That's unbelievable.Lesley Logan 11:05  He also said that S Corps (Brad laughs) have ahh, gonna have more write offs, because corporations just have more bills. So I was like, "Great."Brad Crowell 11:13  I love the logic behind that, that is ... (Lesley laughs) amazing.Lesley Logan 11:17  But he said S Corps have, you know, they have more bills. So people like that the auditing is different. And I was like, "Okay, that also sounds less scary. So let's go that way." (Brad and Lesley laughs) Anyways, but I really loved Damari back to the who we are recapping because she, it's like, it's all I felt like if I became an accountant. Right? Like, not that I would, but like, I feel like we have similar personalities and (Brad: Yeah) similar outlooks on life. And so anyways, it's all about me. Right? And she was just fabulous. So anyways,Lesley Logan 11:50  That's awesome. Yeah. So so well, actually, so so she had a whole bunch of things that she went through, actually, the conversation flowed pretty well. (Lesley: Thank you) (Lesley laughs) Yeah, I mean, from one story to the next. It just kept rolling. But you had you had one specific thing you're (Lesley: Oh, like ...) very excited about.Lesley Logan 12:12  ... hands down. Can we just talk about how Be It Till You See It is this? Her name, I thought, gosh, so cool. Her name is Damari Gold. (Dog barks) And she's the Gold Standard Accounting or whatever. And like, you know, I just thought like, "That's amazing." Like, she's so lucky to be named Damari Gold, because then she kept the Gold Standard Accounting or whatever. And so when I asked her, she's like, "Oh, no, I, that's my stage name." (Lesley laughs) I was like, "That is so Be It Till You See It." Like that, y'all like, sometimes you have to name yourself or name your thing, like what you want it to be. And so she did that. And now it's, you know, it's, it's her name, and I freaking love it. So anyways.Lesley Logan 12:25  Yeah. That is ... she definitely has a full story about how she came up with it. And it's her favorite color and all these other things. And at the end, she was like, "Well, Gold Standard Accounting. I think I'm just gonna call myself, Damari Gold." (Lesley: Yeah.) And that's what she's doing. (Lesley: Yeah.) So and it flows and it sounds baller.Lesley Logan 13:15  It sounds so... it sounds so baller. (Brad: Yeah) I mean, you know ...Lesley Logan 13:18  But I think that, you know, let's look at it from the BE IT perspective. We talked about this, I can't remember exactly one. But it was like, way back in the beginning. We talked about right, creating your own title. (Lesley: Oh, yeah.) You know, and how maybe you have been defining yourself as, quote/unquote, "Just a Pilates teacher," you know, (Lesley: Yeah) which I think is a terrible way to define ourselves, because we're not "just" anything. (Lesley: We're not just anything). But let's just say you're a Pilates teacher, what if instead, you were a movement liberator. (Lesley: Ooh) Ooh, you know or ...Lesley Logan 13:54  Look at the person pulling out the thesaurus. (Brad and Lesley laughs)Lesley Logan 13:57  You know, or, you know, I think that there is so much creativity that can be had in how we define ourselves. And, you know, before we were obviously talking about, like, the title that we have adopted, but I think it's amazing that she changed her name to fit with the you know, who she is, when she's, you know, working her business. (Lesley: Yeah) I thought that was great.Lesley Logan 14:22  100%. Well, speaking of things you love, what did you ... what what is, what did you love?Lesley Logan 14:28  Yeah, okay, so this was profound. And (Lesley: Ooh) I knew this was rich. Hmm. (Lesley: Rich) So she, she basically said debt ... We allow debt to define us. We allow debt to stop us. We allow debt to be this big, massive, scary mountain that we can't function when there's debt and we are also sold with this, you know, just the way that our our society works and capitalism and all the things. We're sold this idea that, you know, "Being debt free is the only way to be." (Lesley: Oh my God) You know, and ... (Lesley: Y'all, it's like ...) Here's, here's my, here's my thing. Clearly, being debt free is a positive thing. I'm not saying that it's not. I'm not saying that you should just incurred that you know, like create debt for that sake. No, that's stupid. But what I am saying is that the difference of you being in debt and you being out of debt, actually, it's, it's this weird definition that we have for ourselves. Why would being out, out of debt.... does that make you, like... (Lesley: Doesn't make you a better person)... a freer person? A better person? (Lesley: No.) A better person and better business owner. A better whatever? No, it's just actually it's an accomplishment for sure. I'm not saying that it's not. But I, I don't think that, like, we're gonna have this, this like life changing experience, the day that we finished paying off our debt. It's gonna be a celebration in a moment, (Lesley: Oh, my God) but life is still gonna continue the way that life was.Lesley Logan 16:05  Do you remember when I paid off my student loans?Brad Crowell 16:07  Yeah, I remember you going, "Oh, shit. (Lesley: I paid them off.) I paid them off."Lesley Logan 16:11  There was no freaking glitter, confetti, balloons. Lesley Logan 16:15  Yeah, it was like seven o'clock, I was making dinner.Lesley Logan 16:17  I know, I got this email that says, "You pay, you made your last payment." And I was like, "That's it. That's what it feels like." (Brad: That's what it feels like) I was the same person. (Brad: Congratulations, Babe!) Congratulate... but the point is, is like, I literally did not change from before that email to after that email. And ...Lesley Logan 16:35  Yeah. The difference was, you had a couple hundred dollars more in your bank account each month (Lesley: Yeah) which, "Hey, that's a win."Lesley Logan 16:40  That's a win, but it doesn't... (Brad: It's huge win for sure.) It doesn't define you as a per... human being. And I also just want to say, I don't know how it works in different countries, but here in the States, your credit score is based on how you manage debt. (Brad: Yeah) And so being debt free doesn't actually make you a better person to give a house loan to. (Brad: Right) And so it's a stupid game, and we're all taught like, "Oh, my God, if you have debt, it's not great." And I grew up that way. I grew up in a household where there's a lot of debt, a lot of bill collectors calling, it's a really sucky situation to be in. (Brad: Sure.) And I saw what it did with my parents and what they how they felt about themselves, and how they showed up and how they, they how they felt in their marriage and how they felt as parents. And the reality is, is that like, I don't think I would have had different childhood. Like, the amount of money that was my childhood was not what made my childhood good or bad. The stress of, of how they may debt define them, that ... (Brad: That affect each other) affected me, that affected me, but (Brad: Yeah) like, you know, I didn't, who knows what you have versus what someone else has have. I don't know as a kid. So I'm just saying, I really ...Lesley Logan 17:48  It's not until you're in middle school in high school, that you're like, "Oh, they bought the bling jeans and I didn't get to buy the bling jeans." (Lesley: Yeah) But like growing up, I'm the same way my parents were incredibly frugal. And, you know, I mean, my mom would rather take me to the consignment shop and buy, you know, 10 pair of $8 jeans than one pair of $80 jeans. Like that's just the way that I grew up. So totally, I totally understand that. And I think that we allow this, this, like, I think that it becomes like a skeleton in our closet. And it becomes this, like, this, this, like this, this fear that like sits in our gut that like, "Oh, I have debt like if I if I try anything right now I could really like screw us all over because I still have debt" in addition to whatever it is that you want to go do. And I I don't want that for you. That's not reality. (Lesley: No) You know, we do obviously we have bills to pay, we got to, we got to make sure we can meet those, those requirements. But you know, I and I do think that it's important to be paying more than your debt balance. Like if you don't want to pay the minimums (Lesley: Yeah) it's just like a never ending cycle. But if we let no but I think what you said on the last episode, which I loved was it's not like we walk around with a chat bubble hovering over us that says, "Haha. Brad still has school debt because guess what? (Lesley: Right) Brad still does have school debt." You know, and "Brad's gonna have school debt for another 10 years."Lesley Logan 19:25  Well, yeah, or I'm just gonna keep praying that they go federal loans go away. But anyway. (Lesley laughs)Lesley Logan 20:14  Right. But but it's but but because ... it sound like I advertise that right. So nobody needs to know that.Lesley Logan 19:37  And no one needs to know that but also like, it's a little freeing when you share it because it's like that skeletons out of the closet. But at this, it doesn't change who you are, and unless you let it. So (Brad: Right) if you I see this all the time in the people that I coach in the industry, I see people go, "I don't have enough money. I can't do that. I can't do it." And so then they're like sit in the back of the room or they feel like they can't be part of this group or the join this thing. And it's (Brad: Yeah) like, actually, like, you are an amazing human being already. And yeah, there's and then underneath that you have like, "Amazingness, amazingness, amazingness. Oh, also another thing is that debt." But that doesn't actually define you. It's just another piece of inventory. You also have a couch, you also have a car, you also have a Cadillac like you don't have. It's not like personality trait debt that (Brad: Yeah) doesn't... If you look at pe... personality traits or what makes a good human being, you don't see debt free on that list.Lesley Logan 20:32  Yeah. And I do think that, you know, the, you obviously want to be responsible with the debt that you have and the money that you have. But if you go look at businesses, (Lesley: Oh, my God) who are growing and value that millions and billions of dollars, they also carry debt, there is actually part of the game is that, you know, now I'm not saying credit card debt is to your benefit all the time. But you know, there, it's just a different perspective, we've been sold this story that, "You have to be debt free," and that's not necessarily the truth.Lesley Logan 21:05  Yeah, I mean, it'd be nice, but it's not going to again, I promise you, when you are debt free, no one is going to show up with confetti and glitter and balloons. There's not gonna be a frickin' party for you. It's gonna feel the exact same. You'll just have more money in your bank account. (Brad laughs) So be the person you want to be, (Brad: Yeah) Till you see the debt, be free. Boom! (Brad: We'll take that.) (Lesley laughs) Okay, well, look, no one's offering (Brad: Yeah) a marketing job over here. It's fine. All right.Lesley Logan 21:34  All right, (Lesley: Here we go.) All right. All right. So finally, let's talk about the BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Damari Gold?Lesley Logan 21:47  Oh, well, here it is. WaitLesley Logan 21:49  Yeah. I'm gonna jump ... (Lesley: You're go in first) I'm gonna jump in. (Lesley laughs) I think we swapped ours out here. Um ...Lesley Logan 21:55  No, I think we're good. I still, I got mine.Lesley Logan 21:57  Okay. So basically, (Lesley laugsh) basically, one thing she said at the very end of the interview was, "To put your vision out there." You know, I think for her, she was speaking from this very personally, because she was talking about how she wanted to do this, start her own business, she wanted to what she didn't, she wanted to want she didn't, it took a couple years. And, and she started to tell her clients or her friends, she started like, kind of on the side, "This is what's gonna happen, this is where it's gonna be, this is how it's gonna be," you know and then again, it's kind of like the money. You know, the crystals in your top drawer, where when you pull open your door to pull out your socks, you see that and you go, "Right? New clients, new clients, new clients." In this case, she's putting the vision out there, because you're (A) creating vulnerability. Right? You're you're making yourself vulnerable to other people, (B) you're consistently reminding yourself and those people are going to be looking at you like, "Is she going to do what she says?" you know, and (Lesley: Yeah) so it helps you stay focused, stay on track to get to where you want to be.Lesley Logan 23:04  Well, before we started this podcast, I was telling people, "I'm started a podcast." (Brad: Yeah, for like a year.) Yeah. "I'm started a podcast. I'm started a podcast." And then we recorded for four months before the pod came out. (Brad: Yup) But I started a podcast, but like, (Brad: Oh yeah) put it out there. But um, you know that even our even this house, this house, we knew this was our house, because we put the vision out there. No, maybe we didn't blast it on Instagram. Ve... most people were surprised we moved but like, our coach knew, the people in our group knew, (Brad: Yeah) they we had told them very specifically, we are looking for a house with this many rooms, with this much space, with this much this, it's gonna cost us this much. Put it out there. And then it was like when I when it came across my emails like, "Oh, this is this is a vision." (Brad: That's the one. Yeah) So yeah, I'm big on that, y'all, put it out there. Okay, my biggest takeaway is "Become more aware of how you're being supported with your goal." And I'm going to add a little bit to this, I think because I'm long winded. So first of all, awareness is the first step in everything, okay? And if you are like most human beings, you are very aware of how you're not being supported or how you're not working towards your goal or what you didn't get done. But very, very few, very, very rarely do we acknowledge, like what we did do, what is going well, who is supporting us, what is supporting us? And so I think it's really important that maybe at the end of each day, you just take a moment to think about like, the goal you're working towards and what did happen. So like maybe ...Lesley Logan 24:50  Maybe wins, micro wins.Lesley Logan 24:40  Micro wins (micro wins are so important.) Micro wins are gonna like really propel you. Oh my God, I'm reading the book, "Messy Middle." (Brad: Yeah. The Messy Middle) And like most of you need to make sure that your wins carry through because there's like highs and lows, highs and lows, (Brad: Yeah) highs and lows. FIrSo the other thing is is like in that awareness, get as much clarity as possible around the things that are in your goals. So like what we talked about with Brad's takeaway with put your vision out there. We literally wrote down, like, "How many rooms?" Okay. (Brad: Yeah) And when I hear people say things like, since we're going to talk about Damari Gold and we're talking about money, I hear people say that "Money is an obstacle." And I say, "How much money do you need?" I don't know. Awareness is so key. If you're not aware of how much money you need for your goal to happen. (Brad: Yeah) You're always gonna say that money is the obstacle. But what if you just need $500? You know, like, maybe you need $5,000, maybe $500,000. But have that awareness because it is actually going to help you achieve the things you're working towards. You have to really get clarity around that.Brad Crowell 25:49  You know, I'm going to add on to this (Lesley: Oh keep adding, were just gonna keep layering) ... another talking point that she said that we didn't bring up (Lesley: Seven layer cake.) (Lesley laughs) Yeah. She said that finances should serve as an affirmation, not as a trigger. (Lesley: Oh, I forgot about.) Yeah, that was like, that was that was a golden nugget right there that that was a Damari Gold nugget right there. (Lesley: Ooh) Ah. (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 26:12  And because we live in Vegas near the Golden Nugget.Lesley Logan 26:14  Golden Nugget. (Lesley laughs) All the things so so you know, you just said that ... What you just said made me think of that because I do think that we, you know, I for years, I was afraid to look at my bank account. It was just weird denial like thing where I was like, "Okay, if I only spent $6, I hope I'm sure there's going to be enough money in there. You know, and I would buy lunch or whatever." And and like, but I would just never actually log in and look at the actual total. And it like, I don't know, like, somehow I thought I was gonna be okay, if I ignored it. I don't know. Weird thing, right? Because ... (Lesley laughs)Lesley Logan 26:53  I'm sure a lot of people listening to this are like, "Oh, that's me, too."Lesley Logan 26:56  Oh, yeah. No, I don't think that I was alone in that. And that's like, people avoid, I avoided and I thought that by avoiding it would make things okay ... wrong. I would then only deal with it when I bounced a check or my credit card, or my debit card would get declined. And then the now I'm in the hole because they charge you 35 bucks. Right? So, you know, this was this was after college and and when I was like hustling, trying to get any kind of work. And but but but money became this fearful thing. And the only way to to get like dig into that and change it is to actually embrace it head on. Right? And that's kind of what Damari was talking about finances should serve as an affirmation, not as a trigger. The affirmation, being, "I haven't ... I have $6 to buy my lunch. You know, I know because it looked at my damn bank account. And I can see that I have $1,000 in there. Yes, I can buy lunch for $6." As opposed to "I only have $1,000 in there. (Aaaahhh freakout session.) I (Lesley: Yeah) can't buy lunch for $6." (Lesley: Yeah) Right? So it says definite, you know, you're it's not something that you just easily do. But, but it's something to work on.Lesley Logan 28:08  We should call this a gold conversation. This conversation is gold our Aussies, they would have fuckin' loved it. They would loved it. (Brad laughs)Brad Crowell 28:15  Yeah, it's a gold convo.Lesley Logan 28:16  I got to add legend into a conversation, (Brad: Yeah right) then they'll be like, "What?" Well, um, gosh. I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 28:26  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 28:27  Thank you so much for joining us today. (Brad: Yeah) We are so freaking grateful you're here. How are you to use these tips in your life? Let us know by sending us a DM to the pod on Instagram and we'll catch you in the next episode. Until then, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell 28:41  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 28:44  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. 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Episode 50?? Wow! Thanks for joining us on this journey so far! Today Brad and Lesley recap her freeing interview with Emily Coffman, covering everything from the "domino approach" to how to start without the commitment. Sprinkled in is some Thanksgiving traditions and why to say "thank you" to yourself.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Thanksgiving traditionsdrinking cavitiesSaying thank you to yourselfTransitioning your competitive nature into something else after sports"It" might look a little different than you thought (and that's OK!)The domino approach to your dayWhatever you've been putting off... start it today!Start WITHOUT the commitmentEpisode References/Links:Home For The Holidays (movie)Emily Coffman's podcast, Live Your Personal BestElite to Everyday Athlete: 9 Steps to Getting Off the SIDELINES of Life, by Emily CoffmanMichael Phelps' Documentary, The Weight of GoldIf you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookTik TokLinkedIn Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:01  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring Bold, Executable Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:46  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co hosts in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the freeing convo I had with Emily Coffman in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now, go back and listen to that one. And then come back and join us here. Because this is episode 50.Brad Crowell 1:04  50! (Lesley: What?) (Brad laughs) That's kind of insane.Lesley Logan 1:08  I ... nuts. (Brad: Yeah) Insane.Brad Crowell 1:11  Yeah. We're at like five months, I guess.Lesley Logan 1:14  Yeah, I think so.Brad Crowell 1:15  June, July, August, September ... Six months.Lesley Logan 1:19  What? Oh, my gosh. Well, (Brad: How ... is that?) there it is. So, um, y'all, we turned 50 because of you. I mean ...Brad Crowell 1:25  We at least 25 weeks if we did two per week. So yeah.Lesley Logan 1:28  Yeah. Good job, good using your math. So ...Brad Crowell 1:30  That's how I do. (Lesley: That's great) Six, six months and change.Lesley Logan 1:33  So it's episode 50. And unlike other podcasts, where they are perfectly aligned with knowing what number they're at, and they have edited all the best of their first 50 episodes, we've done none of that for you. In fact, we're just gonna do enough more episode. But we ...Brad Crowell 1:50  Oh like like recapping greatest hits (Lesley: Yeah, we do) from our episodes.Lesley Logan 1:53  So let us know if you want that for episode 100 or 75. Or just if that matters to you, like we want to know. I mean, we might probably do that because it is kind of fun. But that requires a producer which we are in the process of onboarding. So we will see what she has the ...Brad Crowell 2:09  It also requires a dog not whimpering in the background because he wants to go for a walk.Lesley Logan 2:14  Oh my God, he's an hour or oh, we fell back.Brad Crowell 2:17  Oh (Lesley: So he's ...) they're on time.Lesley Logan 2:20  He's on time. (Brad laughs) Oh ... what's wrong with these dogs. Y'all, these dogs are like, trying to get our attention. They're like army crawling across the floor. But they clearly don't know it's episode 50. (Brad: Oh, yeah) 50, 50, 50. So anyways, just can I just say big thanks to each one of you who listens to this podcast, because otherwise we be talk... talking in a dark void to the ethers. But I know you listen to this. And your share ...Brad Crowell 2:46  We know that you know, because you chat to us on the Gram. (Lesley: The @be_it_pod and at ...) So thanks for that.Lesley Logan 2:52  And at my personal Instagram and just all that. So thank you so much. Thank you for sharing this podcast with your friends. Thank you for your written reviews. Keep them coming if you haven't written one, and, you know, keep Being It Till You See It. Happy 50th episode. (Brad: Whoa!) Okay, what's our audience question this week, Babe?Brad Crowell 3:07  All right, I think that it's time appropriate here. What are your Thanksgiving traditions? (Lesley: I know) For those of you who live in the United States, we obviously celebrate Thanksgiving in November ... Lesley Logan 3:17  Yeah. Canada already had their Thanksgiving. (Brad: Yeah) And I don't know if anyone else has something similar. So if you do (Brad: Couldn't tell you) let us know what the name of that is. We'll forget but it's nice to know what's going on up there. And we'd love to know your tradition. So, um, you know, I grew up going to my dad's family's house for Thanksgiving, sometimes. And sometimes I went to my mom's Thanksgiving house. And let me just tell you a little difference, just so you could understand the life I grew up in. So my dad's family has like traditions with Thanksgiving like the same person made the stuffing and the same person made the turkey and like everyone had the dish was like, couldn't have been more perfect with the football games in the background. And like don't interrupt the games and we ate at a specific time because it was like with whatever the I don't even understand it all. But then there was that, right. And then my mom's family, whatever they want for Thanksgiving. I'm not really sure how they won but somehow ended up at their house. This was a Raley's dinner. So they would go to the grocery store. And they would get the dinner and they would make it and I will never ... do all you know what do you call it Martinelli's. What's that sparkling? (Brad: Yeah, yeah. The apple ...) This sparkling an apple. It's like so much sugar. It's like ... (Brad: It's just like drinking syrup.) It's like drinking cavity. It's like putting cavities in your mouth as you drink it. (Brad laughs) Anyways, so my grandparents like had the plastic, you know, fancy shampoo ... (Brad: Oh) you know when the ones you put the top to the bottom, the top to the bottom on ...Brad Crowell 4:40  Yeah. And when they fall apart while they have liquid in them, it doesn't go well.Lesley Logan 4:44  Well, how did you know because they did it throughout all the Thanksgiving plate. So the turkey ended up floating in Martinelli's. And anyway, so do I have Thanksgiving traditions as an adult? No, no, I do not.Brad Crowell 4:58  I have a story to share ... Well, Thanksgiving traditions is definitely how I got in with your family.Lesley Logan 5:07  Oh, yes because there was this one favorite dish ...Brad Crowell 5:10  Because there was this one recipe. It was grandma's recipe. It was an artichoke recipe. (Lesley: Like a torta. An artichoke torte) It was an artichoke torte. And, and no one in the family had the recipe (Lesley: I have it) except for Lesley had it.Lesley Logan 5:22  I also have the chocolate cake recipe.Brad Crowell 5:24  And she never talked about it. She never told anybody. (Lesley: No) And then the first year that I went to the family dinner that I didn't know anybody. I made grandma's artichoke torte recipe and everyone freaked out. They are all like, "Where did you got ..."Lesley Logan 5:39  Tears everywhere ... tears.Brad Crowell 5:40  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So I made it for a number of years in a row. And that became my dish that I had to make. (Lesley: Yeah) Until we stopped going to Northern California for Thanksgiving altogether ...Lesley Logan 5:50  Because we stopped. Because traditions are also made to be broken. Y'all, like, let me just tell you the pressure of making this artichoke thing and also the nine hour drive that should only be five hours. (Brad: Yeah) it just became a lot. So our Thanksgiving tradition has been the last several years. We sit at home. (Brad: Yeah) And we make our list of things we've been wanting to buy. And we enjoy every single sale online. We are big on it. And then we make up the list of things that we need to buy for the holidays. And we watch Home For The Holidays. Which you're freakin' welcome. Best holiday movie ever made. I promise you it's 90s glorious in it's and it's prime.Brad Crowell 6:30  But we might we might start some new things here because we now have had some family move to town. Ah, so we shall see ...Lesley Logan 6:36  Well, my brother already was here. So in full, like, we have to give him props. He brought us here. (Brad: That's true.) Then my dad came. (Brad: Yeah.) And so I think this will be the first Thanksgiving in a long time we will listen to football games on an iPad cuz we don't own a TV. (Brad: Yeah.) And we (Brad: That's true) my dad suggested Chinese food. So (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 6:56  Love it. I'm so in on that. That's amazing. (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 7:00  So, we're maybe this year is the start of new traditions. At any rate, whatever you do for Thanksgiving, please remember to be grateful for what you've done for yourself. (Brad: Yeah) And you can also be grateful for what others have done. But I think often we do not say thank you to ourselves. So please give yourself some gratitude because you are amazing and you're here because of you. And then also to take care of those in your life and give them big hugs this Thanksgiving. Okay, or if it's Thursday, where you are and not a holiday at all. Be grateful for what you've done for you. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 7:31  Okay, now let's talk about Emily Coffman.Lesley Logan 7:34  I know, she's so cool ...Brad Crowell 7:36  Emily Coffman is the fastest growing advocate for athlete wellness in life after sports. She's a former NCAA division one athlete, creator of the top one 1% health and fitness podcast, Live Your Personal Best. And she's the author of Elite to Everyday Athlete. She educates and encourages others on how to live their best and healthiest lives.Lesley Logan 7:58  Yeah, I, I find I I met her randomly, like on a zoom call. So weird. And then she reached out to me in a random email from a different site. And we ended up on a podcast for her podcast, I'm looking at her face and like, "I've seen this girl before." And then when we were done recording, I'm like, "Were you on this such and such zoom call?" And she's like, "Yeah," and I was like, "That's hilarious." And so you know, the world is small. But I think that's really cool. Her book is really great and I really do... There's a lot of conversation about elite athletes becoming you know, everyday people. And there's a lot of pressure and a lot of ...Brad Crowell 8:36  Especially after the Olympics, this past (Lesley: Oh my Gosh) you know, this past Olympics.Lesley Logan 8:40  Y'all, if you haven't watched Michael Phelps' documentary, it's going to depress you. But it's also like so, so important, because if you are ... (Brad: It's called "The Weight of Gold") Yeah, if you are raising children, or if you have an elite athlete in your life, there is this like expectation hangover that happens. And I think it's just really important. So I'm really grateful that she wrote this book, because I think it really does help people who maybe didn't make it all the way to the pros, or maybe they didn't make it there, have some sort of structure and ideas of how they can funnel that energy and that commitment.Brad Crowell 9:10  Whether or not you made it all the way to the pros is irrelevant. If you've dedicated your life to becoming an athlete and did that from you know, like t-shirt league through college and then maybe even beyond, (Lesley: t-shirt league?) yeah, you know, when you're like six, right? (Lesley: Oh ... t-shirt on a Jersey got it ...) Yeah. So, you know, the point is, if you've lived your entire life that way, that transition for like, suddenly it's over and you're like, "Um, I guess I'm not going to play competitively anymore because of..." whatever the thing might be. And so but how do you how do you like take that, that intensity that you had brought to your sport, and transition that into another activity in your life and find fulfillment in it? So, you know, that's, I think that's exciting. That's kind of what her book is about. And, and anyway, we're excited (Lesley: Yeah) the book is out. It is now out as of the last episode, I think at the beginning of last episode, we didn't know if it was out yet, but towards the end we realized yeah, by the time the episode was airing, it was gonna be out (Lesley: Yeah) so you can find it. The link is in the show notes.Lesley Logan 10:18  Yeah, it's out now. Sorry, y'all, we interview some of these people way back in the day, and now they're coming out. It's just how it goes. Welcome to the podcast world, I'm always shocked. Lesley Logan 10:29  Anyways, I think that brings me to something I like that she said it might look a little different than you thought and that's okay. And for my recovering perfectionist and overachievers. And those of you who haven't yet put recovered in, in front of those two words. This is so important. This is something that's so it's still so hard for me. It's still something I'm still practicing. Because I also have a team who does things for me. So I'll tell them something, and then it comes out. And sometimes it looks different in the best way and sometimes looks different in the "Oh my God, I'm gonna cry way," and, and it's okay! It's okay, because it's really, really important that we get, we do things so we can get to the next step. And not try to like, just continue to mold it till it looks exactly the way you thought because you know what I didn't, I had no clue that I would live in Vegas. Be married to a musician and have three dogs, two of which are like really trying to go for a walk right now. (Brad: Yeah) So ...Brad Crowell 11:27  I have a head on my leg. (Lesley: Yeah, yeah) He's staring at me forlornly. (Lesley: I know.) Yeah. But you know, it's funny. I think that I one of my recent rel... relation connections to, to what you're saying is when we hired the artists to paint our mural in the back. (Lesley: I know) And you know, it was lovely ...Lesley Logan 11:49  I really, we wanted her to do what she already did.Brad Crowell 11:54  Well, so we hired her to paint this mural that we designed with her and she started off she said, "I think it's going to take me about a week." We're like, "Okay," and because it's hot here she decided she wanted to start at like 9pm. And she would work until two in the morning. And so, I mean, I my guess would be four five nights, she spent five plus hours on it. So 25 hours or so. And, you know, I mean, it's a it's beautiful, it's lovely. But the last night, I was watching her nitpick. Right? Noodle the ... (Brad laughs) Sorry ...Lesley Logan 12:29  Sorry. August is losing his mind. He wants the blue cheese bottle ...Brad Crowell 12:34  I was watching, I was watching her nitpick the colors on the wall. And she, you know, she would go in. She would "pssht" and then she would back up and then she would go in and "pssht" write and we started we started a conversation "pssht" (Lesley: Spray paint) Yeah, that's a spray paint "pssht" That's what that means. And the we we started a conversation about that. And she said, "You know, I really could, I really could stay here and keep tweaking this forever because I'm never satisfied. I can always see, I can always spot something else that could be better, could be, you know, adjusted, or, or whatever." You know, and she and I started to talk about music being similar to that where you can always noodle with a song a little more or make the lyrics a little better, adjust the production, whatever. And but there comes a point where you have to go, "Okay, I'm putting it out into the world now." It is, it is as good as it should be. It is as good as it needs to be. You know, and provided that something catastrophic isn't tied to your work, like, you know, then then you can you can feel satisfied.Lesley Logan 13:42  If you are a surgeon listening to this, please do the best you freakin' can always but if you are not ... (Brad: Right) You know, I just think, "Done is better than perfect" and ... (Brad: Right) Also, you will always be able to see those things. I can't see the things that that she could "pssht" more on...Brad Crowell 13:42  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I look at it on websites, too. Like there comes a point where I'm like, "Oh my God, like we need to stop because I'll just nitpick this to death."Lesley Logan 14:09  Yeah. So, you know, I think that for those of you who practice Pilates, the beautiful thing is quality over quantity. And yes, you could always do an exercise better, but that's what the next rep is for. And if you hit three reps and you still haven't gotten there, move on, because that's what the next time is for. So anyways, I hope that ... helps you get your shit done.Brad Crowell 14:30  So, I really loved what she was talking about when she said the domino approach. I thought this was really clever. And I almost named the entire podcast after this, this conversation, or the episode I mean, because she was talking about how you you pick one thing in your day, and that's the top domino the first domino and she said it's better ... She she prefers to start with the first domino, then try to make you know, starting with like, all the dominoes at the same time where she's like, "I have to do these 75 things tomorrow," you know, and instead she said, "I start with one and that one domino for me is my workout." And she said, "When I work out, then all the things topple after it in a positive way," after she works out, she gets a shower, then she can feel refreshed. And then she goes and gets her coffee. And then she does this and then she whatever. You know, and it becomes this marker that you can use if you know what your first domino is, and what you were talking about last episode was your workout when we travel. So you know, she starts, you start you were talking about you're waking up with the sun when we travel. And basically, you know how that can how you get your workout in. And that will allow you to still have a solid day even though you don't have the rest of your normal morning routine. (Lesley: Yeah) And I just thought that was clever to think about it that way. Like the domino approach, because I don't actually, I don't really have a marker in my mor... in my day, in my morning. That's like, "Okay, cool. Now I can, you know, now the rest of my day is going to follow."Lesley Logan 16:14  I mean, your coffee. I think I mean ...Brad Crowell 16:16  Yeah. Okay, I coffee. That's true.Lesley Logan 16:18  Well, I will you know, there's very interesting actually, because Amy Ledin who is one of our original, like, first guests, who is a dear friend of ours. She recently put a post on her podcast when for like five minute downloads, which is like, "Don't hit snooze in the morning." And so for those of you who wake up to an alarm clock, if you refuse to hit snooze, by, like, by committing to waking up when you said you're gonna wake up, it is a domino effect of competence in your day that you keep commitments to yourself. And so I think that just goes along with this. Like, it doesn't have to be a workout. It can just be something small that you do every every morning that you're like, "Okay, this, this sets the domino, have an amazing day." You know, BJ Fogg has his Maui habit where he puts his feet on the ground and goes, "Today's gonna be an amazing day." And then he celebrates that right? So it could be your workout like, it's for me and Emily, I, I definitely beat the sun this past week with the fallback, I'm gonna be honest. I was ... an hour before the sun. So there's that and that was amazing. But find something to be your domino, give it the name of the domino and let us know how that goes ... (Brad: Love that.) Okay.Brad Crowell 17:31  So let's talk about the BE IT action items that you discussed with Emily Coffman. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items, can we take away from your convo with her?Lesley Logan 17:40  I'm going first. (Brad: Do it.) My biggest takeaway is whatever that one thing is you've been wanting to do. Maybe you've been putting it off or you don't feel ready for it yet. She says, "Just go for it now." And y'all, I mean, could we not pick a better BE IT action item for Be It Till You See It podcast. (Brad: I know) I was like, "Ah, yeah. Hired you want to host with me? Okay." (Brad laughs) Because y'all, I swear to you, life is really really really is like trying on a pair of new jeans and you're wondering if they're in style or not. I was just opening up one of my emails and there's this like high waisted baggy jeans. (Hello, 90s.) It made me think of Sister Act 2, you know, Lauryn Hill, and those baggy jeans. And I was like, "Look at those jeans, maybe I need those jeans." Here's the deal, because I'm not going to do put those jeans on my vision board and hope that those jeans someday they are on my body, I'm going to go try the jeans on and see if they look good or not before I find after them. Too often, we're like, "Someday, one day. I will, when I have this. I'm gonna do. Blah, blah, blah." Do the thing and see what happens. Just see what happens. You may go, "Oh my God, I hate that." And I don't know maybe these jeans I'm gonna hate but we're gonna find out because I'm going to order them and try them on. (Brad laughs) Alright, what's your BE IT items? (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 18:54  That is amazing. All right, so just kind of actually hand in hand with that. You can just start now, start basically she was talking about how you don't have to make it this massive mountain of a thing. You can start now start without the pressure, start without the commitment and just start just because you're interested in it. (Lesley: Yeah) And I thought wow, that is a that's really interesting. I remember I mean think back to when we were teenagers or in middle school or whatever. And you know, we we liked music or we liked art or we like sports or whatever and we're like reading or like video games whatever it is you you ended up dedicating more time to because you enjoyed it not for any other reason becau... just because you dug it. And so when it comes to this bigger stuff, I know that we have finite amount of time, but maybe you know it's maybe you wanted to learn sign language. Start! You know, maybe you wanted to learn another like spoken language, maybe you whatever maybe you wanted to, you know, start building a studio in your house, maybe you know, whatever it is, you know, (Lesley: Yeah) you can start it without the pressure and what she was talking about, (Sorry to cut you off.) She said she started her podcast this way. And, you know, half dozen episodes in she was like, "Actually, I love it. I'm gonna keep doing it."Lesley Logan 20:16  Yeah, well, and I think like also without the pressure, it's like, you don't have to go, "Okay, I'm going to like learn sign language and I'm going to teach it in front of like, the entire city" and go, "I'm just gonna like, put go on YouTube and like start it and see if I like it and see if it's good." And just keep the pressure off of it because it's way more fun. Like, especially what you brought when you were kids. We, we didn't go, "Oh my God, when I am the star pitcher of a team," we like went out and pitch with our friends. Like ...(Brad: Right) and maybe you thought someday, "I'm gonna be the star pitcher." But you didn't go, "Oh my God, I can't throw this pitch until I'm the star pitcher." (Brad: Right) That doesn't happen when you're like take ... be a child when it comes to things people because (Brad: Also to you know ...) the way more fun.Brad Crowell 20:58  Think about especially the athletes in the room. I would bet any amount of money that you didn't just pick one you were like and baseball and then next to soccer and then next is you know, track and then next is volleyball and then next is and then it was cycle back and forth and back and forth. And there came a point where you were like, "I'm just not into you know, baseball, I would rather focus on..." whatever.Lesley Logan 21:20  Yeah, my Dad put me in every sport hoping that I would get a scholarship. I did not, (Brad laughs) I'm not that athletic, but there was not a lot of pressure on any of it and that's what made it really fun. (Brad: That's good) So anyways, I just really enjoyed her, her outlook on all this and I really excited about her book that it's out there and I hope y'all enjoyed this. (Brad: Awesome.) Okay, well, I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 21:43  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 21:44  Thank you so much for joining us today. We are so grateful, like so grateful for you. So keep us posted on how you're using these tips in your life by screenshotting of this episode. Tag us and the @be_it_pod and our guest and let us know how you are using these takeaways in your life. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell 22:02  Cheers.Lesley Logan 22:04  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!Lesley Logan 22:33  'Be It Til You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.Brad Crowell 22:37  It's written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 22:44  Kevin and Bel at Disenyo handle all of our audio editing and some social media content.Brad Crowell 22:50  Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 22:59  Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can't see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all the video each week so you can.Brad Crowell 23:10  And the Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

On the November 16, 2021 episode of /Film Daily, /Film senior writer Ben Pearson is joined by senior writer Brad Oman to talk about the movies we're most looking forward to over the holidays.  [embed=​​] Opening Banter: In The News: What movies are we most looking forward to seeing over the holidays?Brad: It was going to be Ghostbusters: Afterlife, but… Licorice Pizza, The Matrix: Resurrections, Spider-Man: No Way Home, Don't Look Up, Tick Tick Boom (Honorable mentions: Being the Ricardos, The King's Man) Ben: The Power of the Dog, Nightmare Alley, West Side Story, Swan Song, Spider-Man: No Way Home (Honorable mentions: Spencer, Last Night in Soho, The French Dispatch)    Options:   The Power of the Dog Tick Tick Boom Ghostbusters: Afterlife King Richard C'mon C'mon Belfast The Lost Daughter Encanto House of Gucci Licorice Pizza West Side Story Don't Look Up Being the Ricardos Red Rocket Swan Song Nightmare Alley The Tender Bar The Matrix: Resurrections The Tragedy of Macbeth The King's Man A Journal For Jordan Spider-Man: No Way Home   Also mentioned:  Ghostbusters: Afterlife Review: The Spirit Of A Wonderful Amblin Movie Gets Trapped Under Clumsy Nostalgia Licorice Pizza Review: Alana Haim Is A Revelation In Paul Thomas Anderson's Wonderful Trip Back To The 1970s   All the other stuff you need to know: You can find more about all the stories we mentioned on today's show at slashfilm.com, and linked inside the show notes. /Film Daily is published every weekday, bringing you the most exciting news from the world of movies and television as well as deeper dives into the great features from slashfilm.com.  You can subscribe to /Film Daily on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify and all the popular podcast apps (RSS).  Send your feedback, questions, comments and concerns to us at peter@slashfilm.com. Please leave your name and general geographic location in case we mention the e-mail on the air. Please rate and review the podcast on Apple Podcasts, tell your friends and spread the word!  Thanks to Sam Hume for our logo.

How do you know when you're overcommitted? What should therapy be like? Are you outsourcing your worth? Lesley and Brad cover all of this in today's recap of Amber Shaw's episode.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How do you know when you're overcommitted?Xuxa (she's Brazilian, not Australian like LL mentioned in the show)Therapy is like laundry...Food is more than just caloriesStop outsourcing your worth and value to a scale...Episode References/Links:Pop Up Pilates Tour, join our email listXuxaThe Four Tendencies by Gretchen RubinAmber's websiteIf you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookTik TokLinkedIn Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  Hey, Be It pod listener, I just want to say thank you. Thank you for being you. Thanks for watching our podcast here on our YouTube channel. I'm just so grateful for you. I have a big favor, and I'm, I mean like, let me just say, "It's not easy for me to ask for help," but I need your help. I'm on a mission, I really want to change as many lives and help people be it till they see it all over the world, and I need your help. We have been so grateful. The amount of downloads our podcast has had in just a short period of time is, it's amazing. That's insane. However, we also need more written reviews. So, and specifically on Apple. So even if you are watching here on YouTube, or you listen on Spotify, or you listen on Google Play, Apple podcast is where everyone looks to see which podcasts they should send people on for interviews. And, so we need lots of reviews to be there like a hundred written reviews. So, big huge favor if you could give us the link below, go write a review, rate us, give us all the stars you love and let me know. Screenshot it, send it to me on a @be_it_pod. I just want to thank you for the bottom of my heart. We are truly, truly can't do this podcast without you. And, I'm just so grateful that these words hit your ears. And if you wouldn't mind writing us that review that would be amazing. And, I will be so forever grateful. Thank you and now here's the podcast you wanted to listen to.Lesley Logan 1:19  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 2:04  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co hosts in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the infectious convo I have an Amber Shaw (Brad: Oh yeah) (The good kind of infectious by the way.) (Brad laughs) in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now and go figure out how to listen to that one on whatever podcast platform you listen to, and then come back and join us. Or, I think sometimes if you listen to this one, and you just keep listening, it will just go through the list. It depends. I actually don't know how to work my own podcast app. So you know, let us know.Brad Crowell 2:38  If you're looking at all episodes of a podcast, they will just go to the next one. (Lesley: That's true.) Yeah. But if wha... if you're looking at your (Lesley: Leave it in) what's going to be played next, then it's gonna ... jump from pod to pod.Lesley Logan 2:48  This is why we have Brad everyone. That's why we have him.Brad Crowell 2:51  It is a party.Lesley Logan 2:52  Okay, so y'all, we're actually gearing up to plan our road trip. This is our fourth year road tripping our fifth year road tripping? (Brad: Four) Four, this is the only the fourth time (Brad: Yeah) that we've done this nonsense. (Brad: Yeah) Okay, so y'all back in 2018, I was in protest about flying to the East Coast. It's a long story, but you cannot get a flight to Philly from LAX under $1,000, nonstop. So $1,000 with a stop, usually in a state that has snow storms, and always ...Brad Crowell 3:23  Like Detroit or something like that. Chicago...Lesley Logan 3:25  Chicago, Denver and always a red eye. We never got one during the day. (Brad: Yeah) And twice, the only times I've ever fallen asleep on a plane. There was an emergency, and all the lights turn on. (Brad laughs) And even Brad was like, "Are you kidding me?" So in 2018, I said, "I would not go back unless we drove." And Brad said, "Okay." So we rented too small of a vehicle and drove across the country with two dogs. We didn't have three yet and it was so fun. It was so fun. And the whole time we went I was being DM on Instagram, "Are you teaching classes?" And I thought, "Oh, people people are home during the holiday." So then the following year, we did a pop-up. And we did eight city tour and it was so fun. And then obviously year number three. Well, we all know what 2020 was. So we're back, we are road tripping again. We road trip last time but this time we're going to take more than two and a half days to get across country. (Brad: Yes) And we're gonna make some stops.Brad Crowell 4:26  We are, we're gonna make some stops and they're they're not, they're not locked in just yet. But we've got ...Lesley Logan 4:31   No, so there's still time to get your city on the list.Brad Crowell 4:34  And we've got quite, we've got an exciting schedule. (Lesley: Yeah) That's gonna take us from (Lesley: Here) Vegas up to New York City (Lesley: Yeah) to down to Miami. (Lesley: Yeah) And then (Lesley: Through Texas) coming back across across the country there. So ...Lesley Logan 4:52  What is set in stone is Atlanta on the 28th? (Brad: Right) And somewhere outside of Philly on the 19th and a Miami hot spot. It's hot on the 30th. But other than that's all I can say. So if you are excited about that, then you're gonna want to get on the list. You know, just below there's a show note, get on the list on our email, we will let our email peeps know exactly when is, when, what is happening and how to snag your spot.Brad Crowell 5:22  Yeah, yeah, just make sure you're on our email list. And you'll find out about it for sure.Lesley Logan 5:26  I'm so excited you can get on the list. You can get that free class and then you'll just be automatically on a list and you do the workout, (Brad: It's work too. Yeah) Yeah that's that. So um, anyways, okay, so what question do we have this week?Brad Crowell 5:39  Alright, so this week, the first question we had was, "Wha... How do you know if you are over committed?"Lesley Logan 5:48  Yeah. So I, I got this question, actually, from our panel we had at the house. We had a pop-up at the house, our first one. (Brad: Oh) And this question was asked to me and the other amazing women on the panel, one who's been on the podcast, and one who's gonna be on the podcast. So shout out to Erica and Megan. And they had great answers, but I thought it'd be fun for us to share the answers with all of you. So, how do you know if you're over committed? This is like a really interesting question. I think sometimes, you know, after you've over committed. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 6:24  Usually, that's how it happens when things start falling out of the sky, figuratively, you know, meaning plates start dropping, then you start to realize, "Oh, I'm not being effective. I'm actually not serving anyone." Definitely know how that goes, having had three business partners and a spouse with three different companies and a spouse who had a company too. And I really was kind of spinning, spinning my wheels. I was still making everything.. Like, I was meeting deadlines, generally speaking, but nothing was growing. It wasn't actually, you know, it was a crazy couple of years of, you know, non-stop all day long, kind of a non-sustainable effort. And by by pulling back and shifting, focusing, suddenly, one thing started to grow. And that was very exciting to see. It also made me kick myself because I didn't need to wait two years to figure that out.Lesley Logan 7:28  He means (Brad: Three?) working with me. And (Brad: I do) you know, it made me think of okay, so very few people will remember this. But if you are listening to this, and you remember this show, let me know. So when I was a little girl, there was a show called Xuxa. And it was like a talk show like, I don't know what you call those shows, variety shows. And she was Australian host and her name was like Xuxu. And somehow that was Xuxa. I don't know. It's an Aussie thing maybe I'm wrong. Australian listeners, Jojo I hear I know you're listening when your dog walk, let me know. If you remember this, it would be 30 years ago. Anyways, she had these tall boots and she had this guest on and he had all these plates on a stick. And he was like, run around the stage. And he would like spin a plate and he'd run around and the whole thing was like, "How long can he keep all the plates spinning before they fell?" And it was thrilling and stressful for nine year old all at the same time. And that's what came to my mind while you were telling your story... (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 8:28  Wow. Okay, I'm not I'm not gonna look that up. But I'm gonna take your word for for that.Lesley Logan 8:33  Anyways, I want to know, who knows who Xuxa is. And if you watch the show, and you remember that person. Okay, um, 100% I think what one of the guests at our, at our panel Megan said was like, when you get resentful, like when you're like when you when you go to do the thing. And you're resentful that you said "yes" to the thing – that is a sign you over committed. I think crying is a sign you're over committed.Brad Crowell 8:58  Right. Overwhelmed that like incredible overwhelm. (Lesley: That overwhelm) Debilitating.Lesley Logan 9:02  Yeah. Because you know, like, this is exciting and also, you're so tired. And so for me, I've gotten a lot better when I shared with the group who was here at the house. As I said, "I'm so grateful for my husband" because he's just like, "You could just cancel." And like he's a rebel, if you know "The Four Tendencies" someday Gretchen Rubin will come, or will respond to an email (if I send one to her.) And so don't, don't shout her out. Like I haven't actually emailed to ask her - but, she wrote the book, "The Four Tendencies" and Brad's a rebel and I'm an upholder, which means if I say, "I'm gonna do something. I'm gonna do it whether I told you or not." And it's very hard for me to let go of something I said "yes" to and Brad has taught me that it's okay to cancel something and what I said to the group was like, "We're not brain surgeons. It's okay." If we say, "I'm so sorry. I know I said yes to this but can we do it a different time because it's it's not life or death." So anyways, I loved that question that we got the panel and I wanted to share it with you. So I hope you enjoy I'd love to know your responses.Brad Crowell 10:01  Yeah. Okay, now let's talk about Amber Shaw. Amber Shaw who we both know (Lesley: We love Amber) IRL, is on a mission to help women find food freedom by skipping the dieting vortex. She is a mom of two, divorcee and ex corporate saleswoman turn entrepreneur and podcast host. She is a force, her energy is infectious, and you will fall in love with her very straightforward personality and her advice. It was a very fun episode. (Lesley: Did you like it?) I did. I mean, I also know her personality from hanging out with her. And so it was I could I could actually see her, you know, in my mind, like being herself (Lesley: Yeah) together with you. I thought it was great. Or you can watch it on YouTube. (Lesley: Yeah, yeah) I was not producing it from the video, I was producing it from the audio. (Lesley: Yeah) But ... (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 10:53  As we do. But it is, she is amazing. And I actually, we met her together in person in real life in Austin, Texas earlier this year, and the two of you are like karaoke lovers. So I was so grateful for her because it's like, "Bye." (Lesley and Brad laughs) Anyways, one of the things I love that she talked about was therapy and the importance of it, and I, I think I will, every time someone brings up therapy make this a point that I love, because (Brad: Sure) as I tell my therapist, therapy needs to rebrand for whatever reason, we think you go to therapy when you're broken, but like, therapy is like, laundry, you just, you should just keep doing it. So you, you know, cuz then when you're in need ...Brad Crowell 11:33  Because then you run out of socks.Lesley Logan 11:35  Yeah, you otherwise like, maybe some people do therapy. Like they do their laundry like they wait till they're out of socks, out of underwear, all the things. But if you keep up with the therapy and your laundry at the same time, then it's kind of nice maintenance. And so I just think that no matter what month it is, I don't care. It's Mental Health Awareness Month or regular month. Therapy is something I will always love when when people bring it up. And you too should find a therapist.Brad Crowell 12:03  That's a great rebrand.Lesley Logan 12:05  Yeah, on laundry. (Brad laughs) Therapy is like a laundry. Keep doing it regularly. (Brad: I love that) (Lesley laughs) Do it so you don't run out of underwear. (Brad and Lesley laughs) What's another tagline we could go? Therapy, it's it's like you're I don't know. I'm not good at this. I'm not a marketing person (Brad: Yeah) anyways, it comes out or it doesn't. Okay, that's I love. What did you love?Brad Crowell 12:25  That was really funny. Okay, I I was I was laughing really hard. Well, I was laughing really hard... Well, I was laughing really hard about you about that. But she said something that I really connected with, and I have shared on the pod before. So I'm not going to tell my whole story on that here. But she said it was obvious that she wasn't eating enough calories. And you know, that's a it's, it's funny, I wonder if that goes hand in hand with, you know, for actually, you know what, for me that happened after I while while I was going through a divor... a divorce for her, that was just the way she grew up. You know, she was basically completely connected with magazines and diets and working out and all the things to the point of obsession where it was detrimental to her and she wasn't eating enough. But what I wanted to talk about instead was stop looking at food as calories in and calories out, which also something that she she shared. And I think that the that's not something I ever had to personally tackle. I actually had to do the reverse where I had to start counting calories because I wasn't eating enough calories. When I got to the point where I felt like I was eating enough calories, then I just kind of stopped doing that. But I I think that the she talks about freedom with food. And she talks about building up your your food experience, your relationship with food to the point where you can splurge on a Thursday night and not freak out about it, you know, not freak out about the calories that you may have consumed because you're on a regimen for the rest of the week, you know, or whatever, you're, you're being consistent about it. And I just wanted to encourage you know, others who are really dealing with that kind of a association with food to connect with Amber. (Lesley: Yeah) Because she, you know, I'm clearly not the spokesperson for that but she is and she has come through quite a journey, a relationship with food to where she can enjoy eating, (Lesley: Yeah) and it became very obvious from listening to her story.Brad Crowell 12:26  Well, I have brought on a couple we've had Giselle before with Amber (Brad: Giselle as well, sure.) We got someone coming up, because ladies, (excuse me, ladies) ladies, we keep outsourcing our worth and value to a scale and we have to stop, like the size your jeans doesn't determine the amazingness that you are. And being it till you see it, you cannot do that if you're like, allowing a number on a scale or what's on your plate to determine if you did a good job today or not. And so I will continue to bring these amazing women on until we have overcome this thing. And it might take us years because I was definitely raised with the magazines and with the with the women and I told Jen Jennifer van Barneveld-Pe, I said, "I grew up with these magazines and I'd rip out the articles and I was trying to be these girls" and and you know what, I actually can't blame the magazines because I'll be really honest, I was listening to her and another woman talk on Jenny's podcast this week, that we actually are sometimes we're inferring a different thing. Like I was listening, I was looking at fitness magazines and I was inferring a different size on these women than was actually there and so I think we have to take ownership of that and have some more fun in our lives. And and not judge like every meal based on like, whether that was enough because we have bigger things to do than worry about that. So I'm glad that that was your takeaway and yes, reach out to Amber, she's freaking awesome. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 16:24  ... freaking awesome.Lesley Logan 16:26  Amber's freakin' awesome. Amber's freakin' awesome. We will not make fun that right one. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 16:31  ... that just happen. Okay. All right. So finally, let's talk about the BE IT action items you discussed with Amber Shaw. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items, can we take away from your convo with her? (Lesley: She had so many.) She she did. She actually had quite a list and she and she said, "Consistency is the name of the game with moderation and satisfaction." And I thought that was awesome. You know, because it's like a step by step approach. But that's not what I wanted to talk about. I wanted to talk about, you know, something that I personally have experienced, which was the divorce scen... scenario. And she said, it's so hard, especially when you're in it, you know, in life is a mess. And, you know, she said to grow, ask yourself, "Why am I going through this? What lesson can I learn here? What is the purpose of this?" And first off, I just want to say if you can ask yourself that, you know, right away, you are more objective than I.Lesley Logan 17:40  You're being it till you see it. You don't even need this podcast. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 17:43  Yeah, yeah, because I certainly couldn't look at it from the a third party perspective. Until I had had actually started to just kind of my life was wearing, my life was beginning to fall apart and my my relationships, my work, my friends, everyone started to see, like me getting frayed. And it wasn't until that point, which was, you know, six, eight months in that I really started to realize I can't do this forever, I can't maintain this lie, that everything's fine. And nobody needs to know. You know, the, the, my, you know, the, what I was going through with my divorce. And it was only at that time that I began to say, "Alright, what's, you know, what's the other side is look like," you know, "Okay, I am going to get a divorce. There's no way around that. What does that mean for me? How ..."Lesley Logan 18:37  It means you get to marry me. (Lesleyt laughs) (Brad: Yeah) He didn't know me yet. Don't worry, don't freak out. It wasn't that ...Brad Crowell 18:42  I did not. But you know, and that was kind of the beginning of the change in in me. And so anyway, I would encourage you if you're going through something really dark and it's you know, haunting you, if you can write down, "Why am I going through this?" and then write it down. Because it's hard to just think about it because I know the thoughts just go in circles and you know, you review every conversation, everything that ever happened around it. But what lesson can I learn here and what is the purpose of this?Lesley Logan 19:12  I love that you said write it down because it's true. You're going to replay everything in your head and that's actually the worst place to replay it. (Brad: Oh, yeah) Get it. Your pe... cuz your skull is only so big. Get it out and put on paper. You have more paper than you have space.Brad Crowell 19:23  Yeah. And if you have trouble sleeping, you know, put on some music. And instead of letting your mind wander, focus on the music. Because that was something that my mind. I mean, I could I could lay awake in bed for hours and hours just like thinking. And if you are instead focusing on something else, intentionally focusing on the music, let's say then you're not letting your mind dwell on you know, the pain. SoLesley Logan 19:50  Yeah. I love that takeaway. My biggest takeaway was I love the way she says it too, because she's got that accent from she's got that accent. It's so good. She's like, take some damn time for yourself. (Brad: Yeah) Did I do it well? ... Amber let me know if that was good enough. (Brad laughs) Um, y'all, seriously, of course I would love this as a takeaway. It is so important, especially right now, especially right now, if you're listening to this in timestamp order. It's almost Thanksgiving in the States, which means it's almost Christmas no matter where you live in this planet. And this is when people be crazy. There's a lot of demands, you feel like there's all these things you have to do. There's some traditions, there's probably some recipes you're supposed to be making from scratch because who knows what. No. Before you ...Brad Crowell 20:35  Your in-law's famous apple pie that you somehow got saddled with making and bringing to dinner...Lesley Logan 20:40  You know what my parents did that I like, have always thought was genius as a kid. They just always signed up to bring bread. So look, listen to me, look ... and I'm like look if you're on the YouTube. Listen, if you're on the podcast, you must this is the, if you don't do it any other part of the year, this is a part of the year to take some damn time for yourself! Seriously, you will lose your mind, you do not want to be the person who like lose their mind. If you have seen home for the holidays, I'm telling you it's a thing I watch every Thanksgiving. If you do not (Brad: She does) take some damn time for yourself. You're going to be that mean sister who ends up with like Turkey, just, juice all over her pretty dress, crying, we'll everyone's laughing. But not but like also they are because it's just like, no one's taking time for themselves. And everyone's like get that's how I feel on the inside. So that's my Be It action item. Take some damn time for yourself.Brad Crowell 21:32  Skip the turkey dressing ... (Lesley: Please) Yeah.Lesley Logan 21:34  Yeah. Just bring some bread. I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 21:38  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 21:39  Thank you so much for joining us today. We are so freaking grateful for you and it's a month of gratitude. But we are grateful to you all the time. How can you use these tips in your life? What are your favorite takeaways? Screenshot this tag us, tag Amber Shaw. Let us know because it really does mean the world to us. And it's the best way you could thank us. And we will see you on the next episode.Brad Crowell 21:57  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 22:00  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!Lesley Logan 22:28  'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.Brad Crowell 22:32  It's written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 22:39  Kevin and Bel at Disenyo handle all of our audio editing and some social media content.Brad Crowell 22:45  Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 22:54  Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can't see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all the videos each week so you can.Brad Crowell 23:05  And the Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Do it anyway... in the face of imposter syndrome. That's tough! Today Brad and Lesley recap last episode's interview with fitness expert Jennifer van Barneveld-Pe and really dig into how to get through that imposter syndrome, asking for help when you need it and the power of DMs.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:OnlinePilatesClasses.com is having a sale... (for a limited time!)Don't let access to a studio/gym stop you from doing PilatesThe power of DMsAsking for help when you need itCorrect and continueAccept that you're going to have imposter syndrome and do it anywayEpisode References/Links:Leave us a review on iTunesJenny's The Find Your STRONG podcastJenny's IGIf you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookTik TokLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan  Hey, Be It pod listener, I just want to say thank you. Thank you for being you. Thanks for watching our podcast here on our YouTube channel. I'm just so grateful for you. I have a big favor, and I'm, I mean, like, let me just say, "It's not easy for me to ask for help," but I need your help. I'm on a mission, I really want to change as many lives and help people be it till they see it all over the world, and I need your help. We have been so grateful. The amount of downloads our podcast has had in just a short period of time is, it's amazing. That's insane. However, we also need more written reviews. So, and specifically on Apple. So even if you are watching here on YouTube, or you listen on Spotify, or you listen on Google Play, Apple podcast is where everyone looks to see which podcasts they should send people on for interviews. And, so we need lots of reviews to be there like a hundred written reviews. So, big huge favor if you could use the link below, go write a review, rate us, give us all the stars you love and let me know. Screenshot it, send it to me on a @be_it_pod. I just want to thank you for the bottom of my heart. We are truly, truly can't do this podcast without you. And, I'm just so grateful that these words hit your ears. And if you wouldn't mind writing us that review that would be amazing. And, I will be so forever grateful. Thank you and now here's the podcast you wanted to listen to.Lesley Logan  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the impressive conversation we had with, well, I had with Jennifer van Barneveld-Pe in our last episode. So you can go back and listen to that one. And then listen to this one. Or you can listen to this one and then that one or maybe you already listened to that one, (Brad: Maybe) cuz some of you are like on it like I am... Monday, we listen! So, you can feel free to pause this, listen to it or be awesome and keep going. (Brad laughs) Here's the deal, y'all, first time in a long time, we are having a sale at OnlinePilatesClasses.com/sale. This is you know, we've never do this. Usually, it's only for the challengers, but you can get in on one of our amazing annual memberships. It's based on the equipment that you've access to. And it's for like a few days only. So, if you are behind on your podcast, it's over. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell  Yeah, normally, we don't offer this outside of the people who are doing the challenge, which we've you've heard us talk about. So this is the first time that we've opened it up to the public, in addition to the challengers, so to find more information, you can go to OnlinePilatesClasses.com/sale.Lesley Logan  Yeah. Join OPC. Yeah, you know me. (Brad: Woah) Alright. Well, do we have a question from the listeners, my love?Brad Crowell  We do this is great. I love it when when you know, we love connecting with you through Instagram. So, thanks for sending this in. "I've never done Pilates, can I get started on my own? Or do I need to go to a studio?" Well, let me tell you, no, just kidding. You can field this one, love. (Lesley: Okay) (Brad and Lesley laughs)Lesley Logan  Honestly, like, you know, sure, I think a studio is great if you have access to one. I mean, there's there's awesome opportunities to be had when you're in person, but you can totally get started on your own like that is even what Joseph Pilates wanted, he put his exercises in a book and hoped people would do them. And little plug here, at OPC we actually have an intro series that (Brad: Yeah) I created specifically so that people could get started on their own. And so many people have their 10 minute to 15 minute classes and they're designed to prepare you to join all-levels class, whether that is an OPC class, or class at your gym or, or a studio. So the the reality is, is that not every exercise is for every body. Sometimes now, sometimes later or sometimes ever. And so the beautiful thing about Pilates is that every exercise is very compounding on to the next one. So when you learn the foundational exercises, you can pretty much just put them together and it becomes a more intermediate or advanced exercise. So yes, you can absolutely get started on your own. And, I hope you do with us because that'd be a lot of fun. But if not and you have a studio close by, go do it up. You know like that's also nice. We have a lot of people who do both, they do OPC and they do a studio. So ...Brad Crowell  If you, if you don't have access to a studio, and you're still interested, we have been filming exercise tutorials for years, years on the website. (Lesley: Brad made me do it) (Lesley laughs) So, we have hundreds of them. Gaia agrees... we have hundreds of them. And you can go on... they're free. So just go to OnlinePilatesClasses.com up in the menu, you'll see free tutorials. And you know, you can (Lesley: Choose the mat.) Yeah. Also, if you do that intro to Pilates series that Lesley was talking about, there's a quick guide on the left side that has a link to the free tutorial to explain each of the exercises that she's taking you through during the three videos that you'd get with the intro series. So anyway, feel free to check that out. If you have any questions. Just just you know, chat to us.Lesley Logan  Yeah. And I love that you asked this question. It's, you know, it might seem like something that people should just know on their own, but I didn't know this until I started doing Pilates and, and you know, Pilates is the best thing you can add to anything you're already doing. And so, I hope that you get started with us or we get started on your own and don't let having, not having access to equipment get to stop you from getting Pilates in your body.Brad Crowell  Okay, now let's talk about Jennifer van Barneveld-Pe. I ... that's a that's a name right there. I'm just sayin'. She because of that, she goes by JVB. She also goes by Jenny. (Lesley: Yeah) So, Jennifer van Barneveld-Pe is an inspiring body transformation specialist entrepreneur, fitness cover model, wife and mom of two after starting her fitness journey as a trainer at the age of 18. And eventually fainting on the gym floor from unhealthy eating and unhealthy exercising, she went back to school to study holistic nutrition. She is now the founder of an incredible community of strong women. Is also the President of Strong Fit Magazine. I think that's a recent thing for her within the past year or something. And, she's doing everything she can to support women live their best, helping them to live their best lives.Lesley Logan  So cool. She's so, she's so freakin' kind. And, I just ...Brad Crowell  It was pretty awesome that she was willing to be a guest. (Lesley: Oh, I mean ...) Especially because I don't know that we'd launched the pod yet, (Lesley: No.) when that (Lesley: No.) interview happened?Lesley Logan  We ha... this interview y'all happened so long ago, the podcast wasn't launched. And, here I am and me the President of Strong Fitness Magazine to interview with me. I'm like, I don't know when this is actually going to go up because Apple hasn't approved my podcast yet but ...Brad Crowell  Oh, that's right. (Lesley: Yeah) We were supposed to be live. (Lesley: Yeah) But then Apple held us up for ... (Lesley: Over a month.) Yeah, (Lesley: Yeah) like six weeks, I think.Lesley Logan  It was insane. And she was still like, "Of course, no problem." And she's like, "You should be on my podcast." And I was like, "Okay, great." (Brad laughs) And now y'all like she consider her absolute friend. And (Brad: Yeah) she wants to come visit us in Vegas. And you know, (Brad: Really fun) it's really cool. (Brad: Yeah) Never underestimate the power of like reaching out. You know what I tell y'all to screenshot our podcast and put a takeaway. So that's actually how Jenny and I started talking. I screenshotted, screenshot, (Brad: Took a screenshot) I took a screenshot of a (Lesley laughs) that also sounds redundant. Anyways, at some point, I did a screenshot on my phone. And I tagged her and Amy Ledin, who was one of our guests because she was on Amy's podcast. This girl is awesome. And in that podcast, she's like, "Yeah, I'm launching a podcast." And I was like, "That's amazing." So, I promoted Amy's pod with her. And then I said, "I can't wait to hear about your podcast. I know how tough it is to launch, we're in the middle of launching our own. So, you know, just let me know when you launch. I'm happy to promote it." And she's like, "That's amazing." We saw this whole conversation back and forth. Then when her podcast launched, I promoted it. She was so grateful. And then she's like, "I need to have you on my podcast." And I was like, (Brad: Cool.) "I want to have you on mine." So, (Brad: Cool.) let me just say the power of DMs, it happens when you tag someone you are literally have access to them. And most people do not give up the power of their DMs to an assistant or to anybody else. So you could be you could literally be talking to the person who you are inspired by or have taken advice from and then you can talk to them and who knows they become a friend.Brad Crowell  Yeah. That's amazing. (Lesley: Yeah) Well, so she was telling us her, I mean actually, it was a really great convo, you you covered a lot of ground. (Lesley: I know) Everything from her story of how she got into starting her community to then accepting the role as the President of Strong Fit and why she did that. And yeah, anyway, it was just a lot.Lesley Logan  Yeah, well, I really loved when she talked about asking for help when you need it because this has been this is something that's really hard for me to do. And, it's always a good reminder. I've gotten so much better because as our companies grow, and as our dogs grow like this, you just need more help than you can't, you can't, you can't get away from asking for it. And when it's so amazing when you ask for help, the people that stepped forward to do it, it just real... makes you realize, like, look at all the work that I've put out there that people want to be supportive and held back. So, I just think that's a great reminder for us all. It's like, "If you need help ask for it."Brad Crowell  Yeah, she was talking about, specifically with her family. You asked her, "How, how can you possibly run a company, be the President of a magazine and have two kids?" (Lesley: Yeah) You know, and she said, "Well, I have help." I, she said it was really, she felt very guilty at first for hiring a nanny. And she said, but it took a little bit of time. But she's shifted her view to be grateful for the influence that this nanny is able to have in her kids lives, that it's a second influence in her kids lives. So helping them become more than just, you know, what she and her husband are sowing into them. But also now there's, there's another perspective. And, I thought that was really an amazing way to look at it. Also, the the she said that the mom guilt never goes away. But because the you know, they're able to be close to the grandparents, and you know, have a team around them asking for help has been easier to do. (Lesley: I love that.) Yeah.Lesley Logan  I think it's great. I think you know, also some of those people that you ask for help, because you're hiring them, you are changing their lives and the people around them, because this nanny is (Brad: Yeah) doing something that she really wants to do. She's able to pass along great and like advice and support these two kids. And then she goes home to her family. (Brad: Sure) And to people that are in her life. And, so I think we, I think we forget that when you hire people to help you with something you're passionate about, that it allows them to do something that they love and get paid for it, and then spread that to the people around them. So you know, (Brad: Yeah) ask for help when you need it. That's what I loved. What did you love?Brad Crowell  Well, she said, she, she said, "Being a mom is, it forces you to be more organized," and she was missing her workouts. And she said as her kids are getting older they are sleeping till seven. And so she decided to set aside time for herself in the mornings and get her workout in early. And it made me realize that we're we're on the right path, right? If she can be running a team, running a company, being a mom, you know, and still making time for herself. You know, she did talk about self care. She did talk about, you know how amazing she feels to tackle the rest of the day after she's gotten her workout in. And I love that, that we've been focused on that with the challenge. (Lesley: Yeah) The "Me, Myself and I" theme for this recent challenge. You know, because it's it's a, it's it's a great indicator, you know ...Lesley Logan  Yeah. I always love when I hear people promoting the same things that we are talking about, because it's a little confirmation that I'm not just making up something that (Brad: Yeah) I think it's important. And also like, I think it's really easy for people to hear me say that and go, "Yeah, Lesley must be easy for you. You don't have kids." But when you hear another mom say it (Brad: Yeah) a woman who is running a company say it. It's like, "Yeah, and she does it too." And it's because it's that important. It's so important to have that precious time and, and you know, maybe you don't even work out, maybe to sit in the sunshine, or sit in the darkness. I don't know what time you're getting up. And like, be still and just have quiet time. Like whatever time aside looks like for you is you get to decide that but it is so important that we do that. And, I'm glad she brought that up too.Brad Crowell  Yeah, and for some, you know, honestly, it might simply be clocking out because working from home, it's so easy to work late. (Lesley: Yeah. Keep working) You know, and and maybe maybe it's you know, "Okay, it's dinner time, I'm finished now. I'm done working." And that could be the first place to start. But all right, finally, let's talk about those BE IT action items that you covered with Coach JVB, with Jenny. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items, can we take away from your convo with her? The thing that I really that was like, "Okay, cool that that makes a lot of sense." Was the very end she said, "Correct and continue," I'm pretty sure it was like (Lesley: Yeah) the very last thing she was (Lesley: Yeah) talking about. Correct and continue. And, I thought that was so great because you know, we talked about before taking baby steps, small steps, stepping stones, whatever, that whole idea, you know of moving the needle forward. And, it's also the the idea of very back in the very beginning when we were talking about the staircase, (Lesley: Yeah) you know, you don't, you know, like the direction with ro... Yeah, Rob Mack, you know the that there's the staircase there, you know the way you're going, but you might not know exactly every single step. And I love this addition to it, correct to continue, take a step forward, if that's still the right step, great. If not correct, then take another step forward, if not correct, then take another step forward. So that that I thought was awesome. It's really amazing to conceptualize that.Lesley Logan  Well, it takes the perfectionist out of it, and like, just to bring it back to Pilates, because that's what I love. When you're doing Pilates exercise, if it's, you know, like, I was just teaching Brad this morning, (Brad: Woah) actually. And, I gave him a correction, and he continues to move. And so it's not like we stop, we gotta have a moment about it, we got to do a lecture about it. We got to like, beat ourselves up about it. It's like no ... (Brad: It's a family meeting) just needs to press into his feet more and keep going. Right? So, I think it's one of the things that I truly love about how our Pilates practice can really help us train us for life is that as you're doing the movement, if you're like, "Oh, I'm not feeling this in the right spot," you just go ask yourself, "Okay, oh, that I need to pull my ribs a little bit more, or I need to pull my shoulder and my back" and you just keep continuing on. Cause the body will teach itself. And as you are doing things in your life, and you make these corrections, you continue. What's cool is your body and your brain remember that and they go, "Oh, the last time we went through that (Brad: Right) this happened." (Brad: Yeah) And so you, you aren't having to revisit that lesson all unless you want to, over and over again. So yeah, (Brad: Dating the same person. What?) Yeah (Lesley laughs) We stopped doing that ...Brad Crowell  Correct and continue. (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan  Yeah, okay. Well, my biggest takeaway is, accept that you're going to have imposter syndrome and still do it anyway. And I this is, this is actually something really, I think is important because I'm hearing a lot of people call it an imposter syndrome is the reason why they're not doing something. And  Brené Brown even had a talk about it on one of her podcasts recently. I'm not actually sure if it was she was on someone else's, or it was hers. But there's so much blaming the imposter syndrome. And that's like the excuse to not do something and I'm not saying the imposter syndrome doesn't exist, it 100% does. But using it as a reason to not do something is actually a problem. That's, that's actually not cool. Imposter syndrome is going to be there because in theory, if you're trying something new, you are in fact, an imposter, period. So you have to just go "Okay, I feel like an imposter because I'm new at this and I'm gonna do it anyway." So that's really what courage is. And so, you know, I just I love that she brought that up as a as a BE IT action item. (Brad: Yeah.) So, because it's like ...Brad Crowell  She was talking about her podcast and starting the pod. (Lesley: Yeah.) And (Lesley: Oh, my God,) and she's like, "Well, it's something I was wanting to do." But she thought, you know, "Who am I to be" You know, (Lesley: Same) (Lesley laughs) on a pod. You know, like hosting it and so, yeah, I you know, but the key was still doing it anyway.Lesley Logan  Yeah, because same I even told her how hard it is when I was on her podcast, I said, I'm just like, "What am I doing? Like, why would anyone listen? What if I waste people's time?" (Brad: Sure.) But we did it anyways. And the reality is, as soon as it went up, that imposter syndrome goes like went away because now I am Podcaster. We're on episode 42, episode 43, 44 actually, I'm looking at the notes. I can count. So anyways, um, yeah, when you're feeling imposter sydrome, so just feel and go, "Oh. That's imposter syndrome right now." And then go anyways, "I'm going to do it anyways." (Brad: Yeah) Because you I promise you, you want to do it when like, you are new at something and don't have a ton. You'd like it's not like you want to be like, "Okay, I want to wait to have a million followers. And then I'm gonna be good enough to do X, Y, and Z." Yeah. Now you're gonna launch for the first time for a million people. I'd rather do five, I'd rather do it in front of five people. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell  Yeah. (Lesley: So) That's true. (Lesley: Anyways) Amazing!Lesley Logan  Well, this is awesome. I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell  And, I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan  Thank you so much for joining us today. We're so grateful you're here. I hope you enjoyed listening to Jenny's interview. And we'd love to know how you use her tips, these tips and your life. So, take a screenshot, tag Jenny, tag she's @coach_jvb, tag @be_it_pod and let us know your your takeaways. And that way we can see them and be inspired. I know it'll be a gift to her. And then if you have questions you can DM to @be_it_pod, we'll answer them on the next episode. Until then, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell  Bye for now.Lesley Logan  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. 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Brad & Lesley recall the last episode's interview with coaching savant Kareen Walsh. They cover tons of book and podcast recommendations (see below!), evaluate the roles they each play in their business, and taking a moment to look back at how everything is going.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Brad's book recommendationLesley's many, many book and podcast recommendationsKareen Walsh is a Jedi KnightWhat role do you want to play in your business?You don't have to be the CEOTake a moment to look back and evaluate your businessTaking a pauseEpisode References/Links:FREE Habits Webinar with Lesley (Sep 7, 2021)The Replaceable Founder by Ari MeiselBreath: The New Science of a Lost Art by James NestorThe Art of Gathering: How We Meet and Why It Matters by Bernadette Dunne, Priya ParkerUnlocking Us podcast with Brené BrownKareen's podcast, Your Badass JourneyKareen's Reflections JourneyHappiness from the Inside Out: The Art and Science of Fulfillment by Robert MackIf you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co hosts in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the entrepreneurial conversation I had with Kareen Walsh in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, well, you can pause this, you can find it, listen to it, and just put this up in the queue next, there's like a way to go play next. Or you can listen to this. Go listen to that one. Or you can start any order you want. This is your life and we are just here to help you Be It Till You See It. SoBrad Crowell  That's true.Lesley Logan  Is literally what we're here to do. Okay, hun, guess what's happening?Brad Crowell  Tell me!Lesley Logan  Oh, you know.Brad Crowell  I know (Lesley: Okay) it's coming up in five days.Lesley Logan  Five days. Alright, y'all, I am on a mission. I'm on a mission because I want to help you Be It Till You See It. And I know that is so easy to be inspired to hear all these takeaways and then go to put things in action and then somedays you don't feel motivated to do what you want to do. And other days you just feel like the world against you. And also there's a whole situation on how long does it take to like make this become something that's routine, sort of think about it - because decision fatigue. And anyways, I'm about to blow your mind for free on September 7, in our Myth Busting Habits webinar. Again, it's free, it is on September 7, there is a three day replay. And you all can join me on this hopefully live, I really hope so we try to pick a time that most parts of Australia are awake. Sorry, Perth, I just don't even know what timezone you're on. I love you and I really am trying but if I go too much later, then we lose all of Europe, all of it. (Brad: It's true) And so this is the best we can do. It's a one hour webinar, you go to OnlinePilatesClasses.com/habits, that's OnlinePilatesClasses.com/habits to sign up for this free webinar and... (Brad: Plural) Yeah, it's plural. (Brad: Yeah) Yeah, it's also in the show notes, just click the link in the show notes. You just do the little swipey-up thing and like hit it and you can sign in. It's because it's free. You don't even have to have your credit card handy. You can do this on your phone. And then set a time to watch it if you're not gonna watch it live with us because there's a three day replay "only." (Brad: Yes) But it's gonna be a lot of fun. And I I want you to join live as you can, because I would like you to, to say, "This what I've been trying to make happen and I can't make it happen. Let's break it down!" We're gonna have time to do that with everyone's desire. So anyways, I'm ready. Ready!Brad Crowell  I'm excited. I mean, I think it's gonna be great to to dig into how we actually make habits.Lesley Logan  I think that you are actually gonna really love it. I haven't... To be honest, y'all, while we live together, work together, and we are married. I haven't really been sharing a lot of this with him. (Brad: No) He just hears me chat about it with the team. I'm like, "We got to do it like this. We got to do it like this, because it's gonna help people make it easier, make it a habit." And they're just looking at like, I'm crazy. And so everyone's gonna get their mind blown on September 7.Brad Crowell  Mind blown.Lesley Logan  Mind blown. In the best way kind of mind blowing up version. So anywaysBrad Crowell  I love it.Lesley Logan  What was our question this week?Brad Crowell  Yeah, we actually had a great audience question this week from Helen Lamphere. She DM us on the IG. (Lesley: Yeah) And the grammage...Lesley Logan  @be_it_pod is our handle for the podcast on IG.Brad Crowell  And you can ask any question that you want from us about anything and we will, you know, happily work it into episodes that are coming upLesley Logan  Life, business, romance, Pilates. (Brad: Hmm. Spicy) Spicy. (Brad: Ah) Love, I love dating advices. It's really fun for me.Brad Crowell  Today's question from Helen Lamphere is, "What are your favorite books that you would recommend?"Lesley Logan  Yeah, okay, well, you go first.Brad Crowell  Okay, cool. So as you know, I'm a process guy that's like my jam. I definitely like the the idea of getting out of the way and letting automation take over. So we use a tool for our project management that allows us the the, the option of replacing ourselves, and that's a weird idea. And that idea is explained in detail in a book by Ari Meisel called The Replaceable Founder. That was very inspirational to me. It's only a it's a quick read. It's a short book. It's an easy audio listen. And the general idea is create a systematic approach to the things that you're doing so that you can think through how to do it well, right, easy, whatever. And then how can you replace yourself in that. Now, whether you're replacing yourself with full blown automation, or you're replacing yourself with another person on your team who's joining your team, the idea is as the founder of a business, you can't do it all and you basically need to swap yourself out in a way that is manageable by somebody else. So that is an amazing book for all you entrepreneurs out there that I would recommend.Lesley Logan  Cool. And you know what, even if you're not an entrepreneur, and you are someone who has a lot of things to do, and you are wishing that people would help you around the house, around your life, around things, I still think it's worth watching, reading. (Brad: Yeah) Watch it, you read it, or you can listen to it on audible. Because you can think about "Gosh, I can never have someone who cleans my house the way I cleaned my house." Well, you can (Brad: You totally can) if you do this approach from that book. So just for the non entrepreneurs out there, that's still a good read. Okay, well, I'm gonna I have a few books because (Brad: Oh) I love to read...Brad Crowell  She does. She reads all the time.Lesley Logan  I'm usually reading between two and three books at one time. So first up, Breathe, James Nestor, you're welcome. Changing your life, you're frickin' welcome. I am actually taking a breathwork certification because I'm obsessed with this book. So I don't care if you're into Pilates movement or not. It is awesome. Next book that I recommend to everybody, (Brad: everybody) everybody that's how many people, The Big Leap by Gay Hendricks. Ah, if you do listen to that one on audible, I highly recommend at least 1.4 maybe 1.5. He is like a grandpa reading you a story. And I the reason I say listen to it is if you are someone who is a perfectionist, overachiever, who's super hard on yourself, you're going to read that book with this tone of voice. That's a little bit like judgy. And why I like his voice is he's "grandpa" and he's like giving you stuff, but it does needed to be sped up a little bit. And it's all about how we get in our own way when we get outside of our comfort zone. So we all are told, "Life happens on the other side of the comfort zone," but then it's scary. And so some of us like self-deprecate when that happens to bring ourselves down, we worry, (Brad: Sure) I'm a worrier. As soon as something goes good, I start worried about something else. It's gonna go bad. And I've been, I don't know, I'm pat myself on the back, I'd say "I've been doing pretty good" since acknowledging that. But there's a bunch of other things maybe you pick fights with people when life is going really good and you get a fight with someone - that's called upper limiting yourself. So highly recommend that for anyone who is wanting to be recovered perfectionist and overachiever. I'm gonna keep going because this is my show. (Brad laughs) I also really am super super into as far as business books go, I've just started The Messy Middle and obsessed. Obsessed everyone. (Brad: Yeah) It is...Brad Crowell  I just downloaded that. I haven't started it yet but... (Lesley: I know) she told me yesterday, "You got to read this book..."Lesley Logan  Gotta read this book. (Brad: Okay) I'm like nine pages in and it's like making my whole world, makes sense because we're in the middle right now. And sometimes I just feel like, it's like a frickin' bipolar of emotions. It's like up, it's down. It's up. It's down. And then you just go "Oh, that's that's actually how business is." So for those of you who are trying to make something in your life or business and you're like, "Somedays are good, Somedays are hell." Yep, you're in it. Welcome to the middle. (Brad laughs) So I just wanted something that would like make me feel good about myself. And then lastly, as this is coming out, you know, towards the end of like, it's like, what is it almost the fourth quarter? It's called The Art of Gathering and it is by Priya something. Her name is not coming to me, but she's amazing. I heard her on Brené Brown's podcast and to be honest... (Brad: Priya Parker) Thank you! Priya Parker.Brad Crowell  The Art of Gathering: How We Meet and Why It MattersLesley Logan  Yeah. So it literally goes into details about having like if you're going to have a small dinner party, what are the size and this is not like Suzy homemaker, what are the sizes... (Brad: What are the size?) the size of the party, like if you're... (Brad: It's what is the size of the party?) what is the size, like if you're gonna have people over for a home dinner party, the size does matter, too small and it's like a double date, too big and now it's a party and then there's different things and it goes over like how to be a good host because if you're not a host, someone will become a host because it's just how human beings are and that can upset the applecart and just she shares all these different things. She also has a... I'm just gonna put this out there. Priya, if you're listening, or if anyone knows Priya Parker (don't tell her I didn't know her last name...) And I I want her on the show because I I really, she has this incredible life y'all. She was raised by two, like her parents got married but they like on religious reasons, get along on no levels. Like one of them was raised, like from India, so like, doesn't eat meat, her dad's from the Midwest and he's like super Christian. And like, somehow they got married. And then she became this like, negotiator for the government because obviously, like she grew up in like a household, that'd be negotiated all the time. And so she wrote this book, and she shares her personal stories, and I don't care if you're in business, or just someone who wants to have people over your house. Great book!Brad Crowell  CoolLesley Logan  OkayBrad Crowell  RightLesley Logan  That's my list.Brad Crowell  Amazing!Lesley Logan  Thanks for that question.Brad Crowell  Yeah, that's a great list, I am in. (Lesley: Yeah) We'll make sure to put all the links to those in the show notes. So you don't have to worry about writing them down or kicking the table. I mean, or anything else like that. (Lesley laughs) (Lesley: Sorry, I kicked the table) (Brad laughs) All right. Let's talk about Kareen Walsh here. If Jedi Knights were real, Kareen Walsh would be one of them. She has this uncanny ability to envision the possibilities around any venture that you map out with her. She uses that foresight with her clients, whether coaching one on one or working with a trillion dollar company. Yes, I said trillion with a T she works with more than one, to make your life easier and more fulfilling, while staying efficient and productive. Her coaching has changed our lives. And we are so, like lucky to have been able to coach one on one with her because she works with C level execs from these massive, massive companies that have you know, like 10,000 employees and stuff like that. So having her take a look at what we are doing was mind blowing.Lesley Logan  So, clearly Brad writes the Bios (Brad laughs) on this, (Brad: Yeah) because I have no idea what a Jedi is (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell  I definitely referenced Star Wars in there. (Lesley: I can't wait for you to hear this.) Lesley Logan  Um yeah, no, Kareen definitely changed our lives. And this is like the power of just being connected to people and also believing that everything happens for you like what we got to do with her in 2020, I mean, I can't even imagine how it would have happened, the other way that was planned - it like was it was totally different. So anyways, that has nothing to this podcast, but just a side note of like she she did change our lives and and, you know, you just got to trust how all the dominoes fall. So here's something I want to talk about that I loved. What role do you want to play in your business? You talked about this a bit. And, and she would do like details on on like, you know, evaluating it and all this stuff. And, and when we say she changed our lives, y'all I used to be the CEO of our company and I, I had crazy imposter syndrome around it. It was really like, causing me stress and anxiety. I everything I would read about CEOs. In fact, I was actually listening to Brad's current CEO coach, like I had downloaded all of his freebies, I listen to every podcast he was on, and I was like, "Okay, I'm learning how to hug a cactus and be a CEO," and I just hated it. And we met with Kareen. She had this this simple thing and when we did it, he's... Brad is the CEO. I was like...Brad Crowell  She's like, "By the way, have you thought about switching roles?" (Lesley: Yeah, yeah) And we're like, "Can we do that?"Lesley Logan  Can we do that? Can I not be the CEO of my own company? And it's and it's so funny, because I've now met so many female founders who aren't, they are the visionaries. And (Brad: Yeah) and so I left that meeting being the CPO and that felt really good.Brad Crowell  CPO stands for Chief Product Officer.Lesley Logan  Or we call the Chief Pilates Officer because it just sounds like more applicable, applicable. And anyways, I changed my role this year.Brad Crowell  When did you do that?Lesley Logan  Just a couple weeks ago, actually, (Brad: Yeah) like maybe a month ago, I was just like, evaluating how things felt to my body and how the business felt. And I and then I heard that Simon Sinek said, "There should be a CVO," and I was like, "Tell me more. I'm already interested." Chief Visionary Officer, I'm like, that's exactly what I do. And I am stoked about it. So it's so no matter how big or small your businesses, pick the title that makes you feel like you can show up and shine. No, don't pick the one you think you deserve. Pick the one that makes you feel you can show up and shine. And that's what I'm so glad she brought that up. What did you love that she said?Brad Crowell  Yeah, well, I just wanted to comment on that a little more. I definitely you know, if you are a small team, or a one person team, this, the I.. the idea here is you don't need to wear all the hats. Again, going back to my book reference, you know, you don't have to be the website builder and the video editor and the you know, instructor and the, you know, finance person, all that kind of stuff. You can definitely switch roles and, you know, become something that actually lights your fire inside of your business. And so it was a weird permission structure, I mean, it sounds so obvious when you're talking about like this, but we were stuck in this preconception that, you know, well, Lesley started a company, so therefore, she's clearly the CEO. And then my history, my background is operations, so I must be the COO, you know. And, and what we, what we identified was it that wasn't serving the business. And it was easy, it would make way more sense to literally change hats and and then that allowed us to immediately begin restructuring workload and changing things out. So it was a major change for us, it actually made life easier for both of us. (Lesley: Oh, 100%) And move the business forward. So yeahLesley Logan  It leaps and bounds.Brad Crowell  Yeah, cool. I really loved actually, you just literally hinted at it. Kareen said, an annual evaluation. And I thought, this is interesting, to, you know, how, how often do we, you know, just keep living and doing and whatever. And we don't actually take a moment to, to look back at our last year, and evaluate right. And what she was specifically referencing was her. She had a very explosive, corporate career prior to becoming an entrepreneur and doing all these amazing things she's doing now, she at a very young age and early 20s was like, like jumping the corporate ladder with leaps and bounds. And she said how she did that was she was, was definitely not. She never felt stuck in a position, right? She was like, "Is the position I'm in? Is the role I'm playing? Is it serving me? Have I learned what I need to learn from it? Have I outgrown it? If I mastered these things? What would I like to be learning next? And what is the opportunity that would provide the learning that I want?" Right? And so it wasn't this, like, hope that they give me a raise, and maybe I'll get more responsibility. And like, you know, I'm on this career path of 10, 20, 30 years. No, she was extremely aggressive. And in that, and when she felt that she had gotten everything that she needed out of the role, she started figuring out how to move on and move up. And so she changed companies, she moved around the country, she moved from San Francisco to New York, like did all these kinds of things. And I think they moved to Colorado in there somewhere. Anyway, they were not feeling they weren't, they weren't stuck. And I thought that was really incredible, to... I think that it's worth putting this on your calendar as an annual event. Now, whether that's over the New Years, or whatever, but like, there needs to be a moment of reflection, looking back on what it is you're doing. Why are you doing it? Are you still doing it for you know, the reasons that you, you know, we're doing it the first time because we change, life changes, situations change, that affects everything. And, you know, looking at, "Is this still serving me? What would I rather be doing?"Lesley Logan  Yeah, it's just such a good thing. And I and I, when I've heard her story a few times now between her podcast, our podcast and just knowing her. She had this like, natural drive to go, "Okay, well, I've, I've gone as far as I can hear, I gotta, I gotta go on." And I think a lot of times, we tend to wait, like, we're like, (Brad: Yeah) "Oh what's gonna happen? Maybe I should wait." Or I see a lot of people waiting to be kind of almost like, recognized or promoted as something that like, doesn't, it's not there. And there's, there's reasons to continue waiting, like maybe the reflection you're like," I'm not ready to move on. I'm not ready to move." I'm not you know, and that's also fine, too, but so important that it's an annual evaluation, because otherwise...Brad Crowell  I don't think if I don't think that I would have stayed in my old job as long as I have had stayed were I evaluating every year. Because I probably would have gone, "Who am I anymore? I don't even know myself. I can't believe what you know where what path I'm on right now. This doesn't fit me, doesn't serve me." But the only thing I could see was I got I get a paycheck here and I need to pay my bills and I have debt. So I've got I've got to stick around because this is a secure income.Lesley Logan  Oh my God, can you imagine that people do this in like relationships and stuff? Because I think (Brad: Right) my previous relationship, how I'd done an annual evaluation I probably wouldn't like "Woo." (Brad: Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's...) Maybe don't sign that lease together. (Brad and Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell  Yeah. Well, and I think if you're a fitness instructor, which I know a lot of you are listening to this, you know, maybe it's a, maybe it's like group classes, and you're like, "I don't really enjoy these," you know, so you can stop. Maybe it's teaching out of your home, maybe it's teaching, maybe you're driving to somebody else's house to teach them, maybe it's one specific client is no longer serving you because they're insane. And they cause you a ton of stress. Like, I don't know what it is. But when you when you take a closer look at what you're doing, why you're doing it, you know, is it still serving you? (Lesley: Yeah) SoLesley Logan  I'm into it. I'm into it.Brad Crowell  I thought it was powerful.Lesley Logan  I really I hope if you if you listen to this, you decided to annual value evaluation for your life. I definitely want to know, and I want you to set the date, screenshot it, make sure it says repeat and it has it on there. It's yeah, I mean, there's another girl that I've been wanting to have on the podcast who has an evaluation that she does monthly. And it really because it's you know, and I won't give it away, but there's just different ways to do it. So pick one, whether it's Kareen's, or someone else who you love and, and do it so that you're not just like waking up one day going "Woo, it's been four years of this job and now I have no idea where I want to go."Brad Crowell  All right, well, finally, let's talk about the Be It action items that you discussed with Kareen. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from that convo?Lesley Logan  I'm going first.Brad Crowell  Do it. (Brad and Lesley laughs)Lesley Logan  Um, my biggest takeaway was, I mean, we just kind of talked about a little bit, but it's taking a pause. She talked about taking a pause. (Brad: Yeah) And using her retrospective exercise, which by the way, is in the show notes. So click on it because she has some great freebies y'all, just like dive in. I don't care entrepreneur or not go through it, because her retrospective exercise is something that I use.Brad Crowell  It's a great toolLesley Logan  I must use it weekly sometimes because it involves celebration and I'm really big on that right now. And also like just being aware, so I kind of do it as a weekly thing. And also, like on a monthly thing that goes for the year. It's a whole thing that I do but anyways, have fun...Brad Crowell  She's got she's got a free PDF, you can download. It's in the show notes. And it allows you to, it's kind of a guided process of reflecting, like we were just talking about.Lesley Logan  Yeah. So anyways, and also just taking a pause, we just came back from a Maui trip. And it's, it's so good to just get, just get out of your routine, get out of your regular four walls, get out and just, it just take a moment to see what you miss, to see what you really like. And I just there's a lot that happens in pauses, like I get the best ideas, not like head down in my computer (Brad: Yeah) you now kind of thing. What did you like most your Be It action item you wanna talk about?Brad Crowell  Yeah, so she said at the very end, "Be it, being it is truly showing up in your truest version of yourself." And the way she said it, I was like, "Yeah, yeah, that." And then I was thinking I was like, "What the hell does that mean?" Right? Like, like, "What does it mean to show up in the truest version of yourself?" Um, and it...Lesley Logan  Yeah, I just want to say, I think like, a lot of people listening probably heard that. And, and I agree, it's like, "Yes, absolutely be the truest version of yourself." But I think some times we nod our head then we absolutely have to be myself....Brad Crowell  To be the truest version of myself. But then it's like, well, what, what is the truest version of myself and, and for me, personally, I find it a little harder to identify, like, "This is who I am, concrete in the sand." But I, I found it a lot easier to reflect back on situations where I clearly knew I was not being the truest version of myself. For example, my old job, you know, we did a lot of things with my old job that I wasn't comfortable with, when it came to morality, and like contracts and partnerships and all this stuff. You know, and, and I'm not going to get into the specifics of digging up, you know, all this old stuff. But the the truth is, when I was doing my job, I consistently disagreed with my boss, consistently, for years. And I was like, "That's not how I would do it. That's not how I would do it. That's not how I would do it." Right? But again, I felt like I need to get paid, and I'm here to do a job and I told him, I would do it, so I'm gonna do it. But then the way that we went around doing it, I was not excited about, you know. And it it caused me stress and it caused me anxiety sometimes, you know, and, and, and sometimes it wasn't like, like, we weren't, we weren't out there intentionally, you know, messing people over, but it also like, sometimes it was like, if I'm going to hire a team, and I'm going to let the team do, you know, work together, I'm gonna let the person who's running that team, hire the team, instead of me hiring him and going, you work for her now. Right? And because then now you're saddling two people together, they might not actually work well together, you know... stuff like that. There was so many situations where I was like, "That's not how I would do it." Anyway, when I, when I finally left that job, it took a solid six months for me to decompress and decide what was a normal amount of stress again, and then move forward with, you know, running my own businesses, and then eventually joining Lesley. And now, today, it has, it's a night and day difference between who I was even four years ago, and who I am today, even though I'm doing actually quite similar things, and in the process of how I'm doing, it's just now the way I'm doing it is it fits with who I am. (Lesley: Yeah) So that's a long winded response to how do you identify the truest version of yourself, but I think that you can look at what made you uncomfortable in the past, and you can at least start there.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I think that's actually for a lot of people, it is harder to identify what is and versus what's not. And so, you know, focus on what you're not. And then you know, you'll start to see the truest version of yourself. And also, I think, focus on your values like that, if you can get really clear on what your values are and (Brad: Yeah) what they're not, that really can help you show up as your truest self because you won't, you won't change who you won't change your you won't, you won't show up as having values that you don't, or like normally resonate with. So anyways, that's another tip on on that, but I hear you, it's really, it's really hard. When you feel like, "I've got to do this on social media, or I've got to do this to get people in my classes or I got to do this." And one of the things I tell people all the time is like, "Do not wear a cropped-top on social media if you don't wanna wear a cropped-top." Like...Brad Crowell  Oh, I was just thinking about Erika Quest and her her comment about wearing skimpy clothes (Lesley: Yeah) and like, you know, is that ... is that her MO like, clearly it's not her vibe, and that doesn't make her feel comfortable. So she doesn't do that.Lesley Logan  Yeah. So like, honestly, if it, if it is easier to figure out, like what doesn't vibe with you? And then you can start to like look at things and get really clear and maybe it's it maybe that's your own journey that you've got to go on the next few months is like, "When do I feel like I'm actually my the most truest version of myself?" Yeah, Rob Mack's happiness, health and values, it's the same thing with what you can do the same thing with like, your when do you feel like your truest version of yourself. So think about people in your life, that when you show up, do you feel like you'd put on a show or you feel like you'd be somebody else, and then people places in your life where you feel like you are the most version of yourself and then just start to identify what those are so that you can go on this exploration of feeling what that is, because I agree with Kareen, being it is truly showing up.Brad Crowell  Yeah, you know what, I didn't even think of the family context. But I have I bet that is way more relatable to most people than a work context, you know, and in... (Lesley: Thank you) Yeah, and in most in most situations, you know, there is like an ob... obligation to, to be there and put on a smiley face and whatever, but, but um, you know, it doesn't have to, you know, you can limit the amount of time you're talking, spending with family, if it really is a lot of butting heads. And if you're working in a job that you are consistently feeling like, "This is against my morality, the way we're doing things here." You have, you can leave, (Lesley: Yeah) you can leave and I know that it's a scary thing. But there are other options out there and whether that is getting another job or working for yourself or whatever. You know, the only way you're gonna get out is if you start planning an exit strategy now. (Lesley: Yeah) So...Lesley Logan  Well, this is so fun. I thoroughly love talking to Kareen. I was honored that she would say yes, and y'all there are so many (Brad: Yeah, she's awesome) ways you can connect with her. Whether you're an entrepreneur or not, like you got gotta go and binge out on her Badass Journey podcast. She's got a new situation coming out, but there's some great, great episodes in there. So please check her out. And you know, let us know what your what you're doing here. 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Brad and Lesley reflect on the last interview with Katie Miller-Kerner and how she helps people change their neural pathways using hypnosis, how transitions make you who you are today, and a step by step approach to invalidating negative beliefs.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:• Why do Brad & Lesley have three dogs?• Changing your neural pathways• Can you teach an old dog new tricks?• Transitions make you who you are today• How to invalidate negative beliefsEpisode References/Links:• Follow Katie Miller-Kerner on IGIf you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcription:Lesley Logan  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Brad Crowell  Welcome back.Lesley Logan  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the delightful convo I had with Katie Miller-Kerner in our last episode. If you haven't listened to that episode yet, then you know that I actually - you don't know that I screwed her name up, so that's really fun... Surprise! I said it wrong in the first one. But, if you want to go back and listen to that one hear how I say her name incorrectly, here she says it correctly and then come back to this one where we're gonna say it correctly. Katie Miller-Kerner is here. We're doing the recap with her... with her episode today. Do the listening in whichever order you find freeing. That's what we're here about. So here's what I'm excited about right now, babe... (Brad: Tell me!) This week. Y'all it is like, you know, it's the end of summer vibes we are going into that, like, you know, back to school. I don't even know kids go back to school at the oddest times, I went back to school in July, so welcome to year round. But I just love this season of change. And if you're my Aussies, I hear you. I know, it's springtime na na, whatever. Anyways, I just... wherever you live, there's a transition that's about to happen. We're about to go into that last third of the year and it is really, really fun. We are getting ready for our 100WITHME challenge. And...Brad Crowell  Yeah, we got that coming up.Lesley Logan  It's coming up. It's coming up really quick. And so what this challenge is all about, why I love it so much is, if you are struggling to make consistency a thing with anything, then I want you to join me because we actually focus on being consistent around our Pilates practice and if you're like, "Girl, I don't do Pilates." Whatever, come do it anyways, and use it as a way to learn how to be consistent. So that's how I'm excited about because end of summer means it's almost fall, which means it's almost time to hang out with a bunch of you for a month and work on consistency. I don't know, what are you excited about right now, babe?Lesley Logan  Well, I was gonna say if you're interested in more about that, we got a waitlist going on, just go to 100withme.comLesley Logan  Oh, check us out. (Brad: Ooooh!) 100withme.com, it's called that because I believe you must give a 100% to yourself first so you can do more for others. And so we're gonna do a 100 with me, right? Like we're doing it together, or just give a 100% to ourselves together. (Brad laughs) Anyways, it's also why this podcast exists. It's like literally like, "How many different ways can I get you to fill your cup first?"Brad Crowell  Yeah, I'm in, I love it. (Lesley: All right, so...) Speaking of filling our cup first, (Lesley: Right? ...) The question this week was, "Why do we have three dogs? And did we think that was a good idea?" Which has nothing to do with filling our cup first, but... Lesley Logan  We fill our cups in other ways. This is, okay. So I take full responsibility for us overwhelming ourselves with three dogs. I do think I championed that cause of getting a third dog. Um....Brad Crowell  That's interesting. I think you also championed the cause of the second dog.Lesley Logan  I totally championed the cause of the second dog. And I think that was a great idea, actually...Brad Crowell  And here's what's insane. We currently have four.Lesley Logan  I know! Y'all, there's four dogs in this house. (Brad laughs) And, and the fourth dog is twice the size of any one of our dogs. So (Brad: Yes), it's like having five. Um, but....Brad Crowell  He's a he's a temporary guest. It's their brother's dog and he's moving. So we've got him to make life easier for him for a little bit, but maybe only for another week, I think. But it's...Lesley Logan  Oh Babe! Babe, you're in denial. I think he's forgotten... My brother works graveyard. And (Brad: Ah) so he will be doing four 10's which means that we will have his dog four 10's of every week. But our dogs it's like...Brad Crowell  I mean they're besties there there couldn't be. It's such an awesome...Lesley Logan  I mean, they are in love with each (Brad: ...pack) other. They are a little pack. They're so fun. But so let's go back to the three dogs because we definitely would, would, here the, here's a side note four is easier. So...Brad Crowell  Four is actually easier. It's weird.Lesley Logan  There is either when you hear people have like multiple kids like how do they do that because at some point, they just start taking care of themselves. So, I totally understand that now...Brad Crowell  They entertain themselves.Lesley Logan  They really do so (Brad: Yeah) the reason, so I champion the second dog because I actually thought - which is Bayon - because Gaia was like, just such a sad face every time I walked in the house and she would not move from the bed, she would... I would come... I came, I came and went into our apartment all the time and she would just be in the same spot the bed for 10 hours. And I'm like, that is not healthy. She needs a buddy. (Brad laughs) She needs a buddy! (Brad: Yeah) So I made us get a dog. And she didn't care about it. And (Brad: Yeah) in fact, it didn't change her M.O. but...Brad Crowell  I mean we did get a puppy and she was six, so she was like, "Oh, my God, this little dog. Errr..."Lesley Logan  Yeah. So and then, when we moved to Vegas, I forgot that she was only a few years older than Bayon, because we decided that she was 12 and dying. And we're like, well, Bayon he need a buddy. So (Brad and Lesley laughs) so I was like, "Oh my god, it's gonna be so depressing when she dies, you should get a third dog." So that Bayon isn't lonely. And um...Brad Crowell  And then I looked up her birthday...Lesley Logan  After we adopted the third dog. And...Brad Crowell  And she's only 10 (Lesley: She's only 10.) So (Lesley: and then) she's gonna be here for a long time.Lesley Logan  And then, the vet said the other day, she's got a lot of life in her and I was like, "How much?" (Brad and Lesley laughs) She said, "A lot!" So in all with, like, look, we love them all. They're amazing. (Brad: Yeah.) And they're challenging in their own ways. But um, do I did I think it was a good idea in in like, my mind of what it is? And now that it's actually been a year since we've had August, August is our third. He's our baby and he knows it. You know that they have their own rhythm and they make me laugh. And they also make me frustrated. And so...Brad Crowell  It's a good learning experience.Lesley Logan  We, we don't need kids, we have them. They have four legs, and (Brad: we got 12 legs to deal with.) Yeah, so anyways, um, if you're thinking about getting a third dog, you know what? I am not here to tell you otherwise, like, you'd have to make the decision for yourself. We happen to live and work from home so it actually works really well for us.Brad Crowell  YeahLesley Logan  Yeah!Brad Crowell  Amazing!Lesley Logan  Okay.Lesley Logan  WellBrad Crowell  OkayLesley Logan  What's next?Brad Crowell  Okay. Now let's talk about Katie Miller-Kerner.Lesley Logan  Wohoo! Katie Miller-Kerner.Brad Crowell  All right. Katie Miller-Kerner is a former competitive bodybuilder and bikini model turned self-love life coach and clinical hypnotist. (Lesley: I mean...) That's no joke like so she went back and like, got... did a whole bunch of certifications to like, literally, you know, change her career path. She works with people to level up their self talk, their vision for themselves, and she digs into the energy behind their entrepreneurial drive. She is an intentional manifester, and is a bubble of positive energy.Lesley Logan  You know, I love that we got two manifesters on a row. I feel like that is super awesome for those of you who are like, all in on the manifestation you're like, "Yeah, yeah". And then those are like, "What's this?" (Brad: Yeah) You know like, "I don't know". And then you got hit again. And you're like, "Okay, maybe a little bit". (Brad and Lesley laughs)Lesley Logan  Okay, so here's...Brad Crowell  I think that definitely was me.Lesley Logan  Yeah, Brad... So yeah, well, especially because so many of these interviews, we, I was Being It Till We See it in a big way. Like, I was like, I was interviewing like crazy before this podcast was ever even made. And then Brad put the interview episodes in an order and gave people a date. So that was him. Totally him (Brad: It's true) um....Brad Crowell  Did it to myself.Lesley Logan  Yeah. Okay, so here's what I loved about our interview. There's a lot, she's such a lovely human being. I'm so, it's one of those random, I would never have met her had I not been in this room that I was in. So going back to last week it's like, go be in the rooms, like go to the thing and things will come to you because I really was looking for more friendships and more people who understood what I was doing in my life. And I went to the room and I got those friends. And she's one of them. And she talked about changing your neural pathways. And that can sound really scientific and like really like, "Whoo, what does that mean?" Like, "How do I do that?" You don't need surgery for it. This is actually so at least you can do.Brad Crowell  I think this is probably the most logical thing that she said. (Lesley: Well...) To be quite honestLesley Logan  Yeah, but like, you know, well...Brad Crowell  This is like science based. (Lesley: Yeah) I mean, I guess I don't know if manifestation is science based. I'm sure there's theory behind it. But this is like how your brain works.Lesley Logan  If there's science behind manifestation, manifestation, send it to us. We'd love to read it. But this is science based, and it is something you can do and it and it's, you know, so simple like the way she does it. So I really enjoyed it, because I feel like any one of us could do it or at least hire her to help us do it. So...Brad Crowell  Well, she talks about how, so this, this is where she was talking about hypnosis.Lesley Logan  Yeah. (Brad: Right) I have not... you, you have, we have a friend who is also hypnotist. (Brad: Yeah, and...) And I've never done it.Brad Crowell  I've also never done it. But what she was describing is basically that it is not this, like, you know, TV, you know, like, you know, magic based, like, make someone do weird things kind of a thing. That's not what, that's not what is happening with what she's doing. The, she's essentially putting you in a s... in a mental state through hypnosis, where it is easier for you to change neural pathways, which we all know about habits and, you know, just repetition and life... "Can't teach an old dog new tricks," all that kind of an idea, that mentality, it becomes a groove in your brain literal groove in your brain. This is my response, this is how I respond, this is what I do. When this happens, bam, this is what I do. Right? And that is a neural pathway. And so she talks about how, by using hypnosis, she can help adjust or change or derail those neural pathways to help you make positive changes in your life.Lesley Logan  Yeah, well, and we, you know, and we've had guest speakers on our, in our other programs before, and it is, your brain is like, it just likes to do things the easiest way. And so if you... every time someone says something to you about something you've like, created that groove, you get there faster and faster every time. It's why, (Brad: sure) when like, I can totally tell that I'm in some grooves... Like, when something doesn't go the way I want, like the groove of being upset and frustrated and feel like why is this happening to me can be really fast. (Brad: Yeah) It's like a speed, I'm like a speed train. And a stop that speed train and have a different pathway is like trying to create... we talked about this a couple weeks ago, like trying to walk and create a new path. And so she actually just helps you do it. And it sounds like it's faster with her route than like trying to manually groove your own path.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I mean, I've never done hypnosis. I don't know. But, but, that was, I thought that was really curious. So...Lesley Logan  Maybe we'll do it, maybe we'll have to just do it on a pod.Brad Crowell  I mean, that would be interesting.Lesley Logan  I don't even know how we... Okay, don't hold us to it, but I'll look into it. (Brad: Okay) All right. What did you like?Brad Crowell  Alright, so she was talking about kind of making that change that transition in her career from being on this trajectory that was, you know, easy for her in the sense of it was innate, right. She, she had natural abilities, when it came to bodybuilding and being consistent and doing the modeling thing, like she's, you know, like she said, sports always came easy to her, all that kind of stuff. And then she decided, I need to move on, I need a change from this. And she talks about that transition. And, and, and what she said was learning, learning from the journey was, was part of who she is today. Right? And I know, you two are going back and forth. And you tell the story about the kid who pulled the string and moved ahead, you know, in life, whatever. But he, she was talking about, you know, she kind of had to take a step out, so that she could start a... start again, and that momentum that you have when you're like, you know, heavy competitor. And then you're like putting the brakes on, starting over. Like you miss that you miss that endorphins, you miss that, that competition, that spirit, that drive. Right? And so I feel like that was probably challenging for her. And then, but, she said that the life transition itself, it was so key in developing who she is today, so to embrace that change to learn from the journey. Right? Enjoy the journey. So yeah, anyway, I thought that was a... I liked, I liked what she was talking about there, because I think that it's applicable to so many of us, especially with COVID happening, recently hijacking, derailing, you know, in some cases threatening the life that you know.Lesley Logan  Well, and, you know, there's, there is a study that talks about, like 70% of Americans so I don't know, for the country you're living in, like, you might, hopefully someone's done a study. But, 70% of Americans are going to change their career, like literally change it - not switch jobs - change their career, within two years, and that was from four months ago. So we're like, almost a year and a half and like, that means all these (Brad: everything's shifting) everything. And we shifted like, we did have a lot... And I think, (Brad: we totally did) you know, I think it's, um, I think it's really hard to do that. And I why the reason I wanted to have her as a guest house as well was like, she went from a bodybuilding competition person and coach of that to being a hypnotist of like, how do I help these people make their life's work happen? And I wanted to have her on because like, I know that you might be sitting there going, how do I go from being an accountant, to be like a retreat host, or how do (Brad: right) I go from being a stay at home mom to like running my own business? Like, I wanted you to see someone who like literally did something... like, that's not, that those two... you don't go "Okay first I do competitions, then I help you with competition, then I hypnotize people and then... ... that they can do things." Like, you don't....Brad Crowell  That's the next natural step! Not so much....Lesley Logan  It's not so much. And I think it's just really important that we know that life is not linear. (Brad: Yeah.) And like, I don't know, who told us all that. But like, we really have to like, we have to get off that gravy train. That's what I'm saying. I'm gluten free. So I'm already off of it. And...Brad Crowell  Oh that's a bummer. I love gravy.Brad Crowell  All right. So finally, let's talk about the Be It action items. (Lesley: Yeah) What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Katie Miller-Kerner? And we're gonna do a little different today. Because I think this is more one kind of big conversation instead of a bunch of little takeaways. So I'm gonna let you jump in.Lesley Logan  Okay, so first, we're going to write down a short term and long term goal that you have. So (Brad: yeah), something you want now and something you want later.Brad Crowell  And then what she said, which I thought was was interesting, because this comes back to like, manifestation. And also, hypnosis is asking, like looking at the two things that you just wrote down. One short term, one long term goal, asking yourself, "Do I believe that I can have these things? Do I believe that I can have these things?" You know, and...Lesley Logan  We did this recently.Brad Crowell  Yeah, we did this recently. And we talked about how it's a little scary. To dream really big.Lesley Logan  We dreamed really big. And I was like, "Yes!" And my body like lit up everywhere. And like, I was like, "Alright, that's happening." And you know, let's go. And he were like, "Oh, that's actually really scary."Brad Crowell  Yeah, for me, there was fear associated with that. Which is crazy!Lesley Logan  So, do it... you... do I believe I can have this, and then does your body tense up anywhere?Brad Crowell  Right. So the next question she asked was looking at those two goals? Does your body tense up anywhere? And then she asked, she said, to write down the thoughts or beliefs that come up, surrounding that tension? (Lesley: Yeah.) And then presumably, that it's, presumably it's a negative association. And she said, "You need to invalidate that belief."Lesley Logan  That's so powerful, like because I'm, I think so often we're looking for other people to invalidate beliefs, like we're like, you know, seeking out, you know, compliments or like affirmations. Or, like, you know, oh, this happened and you you're like, almost sometimes like, one, maybe this is just me, maybe I'm just like, talking about myself. But like, you know, you're kind of worried about something and you're kind of seeking for someone to invalidate what you're worried about for you. But oftentimes, they just validate it, which is like never good thing. And I love this because she's asking you to invalidate the negative belief that you have around the thing that you want.Brad Crowell  Yeah. And I let's, let's actually get an example in here. So so you were talking about, you know, someone who's an accountant who wants to, you know, whatever, what do you say become a Pilates instructor?Lesley Logan  No, I said, you want to lead a retreat?Brad Crowell  Lead a retreat. Right. So...Lesley Logan  No, I know not everyone listen to this does want to help Pilates instructor. (Brad: Okay) Not trying to convert them.Brad Crowell  It just was pulling the example from before. So, lead a retreat, love it. So, you know, do I believe I can have this? I know, years back when we were, you know, brainstorming, the idea of leading retreat seemed like, ridiculously far fetched and to, like, have somebody you know, to ask someone to pay us thousands of dollars to join us on a trip somewhere, was like, it just felt outrageous, right? And when when I thought about it, then I remember thinking like, we're not famous, how are we ever going to ask people for that kind of a thing? You know? And does my body tense up anywhere? Yeah, kind of tensed up in my, in, like, my gut and my heart a little bit, right. You know, and like, my, I like, kind of around my eyes, like, where my where my, my mind is. And, and what are those thoughts or beliefs that just came up? I just said them, we're not famous, you know, and so they're like, how are we going to be able to ask people to pay us? You know, and, and... write those down. Right? And then, invalidate those beliefs. Do you actually have to be famous to lead people on a retreat? (Lesley: No) No, who told me that where did that story come from? I don't know. That's such a weird thing to say. It's just this weird, like, preconception that I pulled out of nowhere, you know. And then, asking people to pay us, you know, has been, it started off being this weird thing where it was like, you know, like, "Okay, you got to pay us like, like $1500 dollars." Right? And, and the reality is like, we were barely making the retreat happen by asking for only $1500 dollars, let alone turning it into something that was paying us as well. Right? And, and I think that, that, that one took a little longer for me. Because, what I realized was that people weren't there counting the $1500 dollars... pennies of it. And being like, you only gave me 1497 worth of value. No, the value for them was exponentially more than $1500. They were like, "This was a life altering, mind blowing experience. I can't wait to go home and tell all my friends and family!" You know... and then, all of the sudden, I was like, "Wow! I am I'm going about this all the wrong way." I'm like, stuck on this money situation, right? So again, invalidating that, that... people aren't in it for the $1500 dollars. They're in it to experience this retreat, this life changing experience, this event. (Lesley: Yeah) And so...Lesley Logan  So if you're an accountant wanting to lead a retreat, it's, you know, it's you got to just think about, like, you got to picture yourself on the retreat with the people. And you're, it's the last day, and you're hugging them, and you're doing these things and, and you just have to like, I bet only good stuff is going to come up. And then if anything negative comes up, that's if you want to invalidate because that (Brad: yeah, write it down) story that's like playing out in your head. (Brad: Yeah) You know, and just so you know, people came on our retreat, they are no longer $1500 dollars, we can't wait to start them back up again. (Brad: It's true.) They are going to be "Be It retreats" for sure. And they are going to have so much epic stuff. But I really love this. I think this is something people can do like daily, like if you like come up with it, (Brad: Yeah) like, "Oh, I want to do this." Okay, do you believe you can have this? (Brad: Yeah.) Where's your body tensing up? Write down the thoughts and beliefs that came up and then invalidate the negative ones. Boom! (Brad: Yeah) Like, that's so... what a great little skill set to have in your back pocket.Brad Crowell  I mean, that that is like very tangible. Like you can do that action item. So I thought that was amazing. And I'm really happy that she shared that, those tips with us.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I am. I really love this. I loved her interview. Thanks for doing this with me, babe. Alright everyone, I'm Lesley Logan. (Brad: And I'm Brad Crowell.) Thank you so much for joining us today. We are so grateful to have you here. How you're going to use these tips in your life? Are you going to do these questions? (Brad: You should) If you do, well, you're going to, just, I'm just... the... I'm already putting that out there for you. (Brad laughs) So you're gonna screenshot this episode, you're going to write down what your takeaways or are you gonna tag @be_it_pod, tag @KTMillerKerner, and make sure your friends hear about it because that is how we help more people, Be It Till You See It. And so until next time, you need to Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell  Bye.Lesley Logan  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. 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Brad and Lesley break down the interview with Sandra Chuma, reflecting on her willingness to share her story, how vulnerable she was about her mental crash, the realizations it caused, and the project it started.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:• Positivity, negativity - it's a habit. It's a decision.• Feeling stuck• Rising tide lifts all boats• The meaning of success Episode References/Links:• Tiny Habits by BJ Fogg• The Big Leap by Gay Hendricks• Sandra's IG - @sandra.chuma  • Sandra's website• Worthy's IG - @iamworthy.co• Worthy's website - iamworthy.co If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.  ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable Pilates Social MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the inspirational combo I had with Sandra Chuma in our last episode. If you haven't listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now, go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us, or you do you. We have already discussed this. I love, I just today I listened to a recap episode before I listened to the episode. It's like Blinkist but for podcast, we'll give it a name. Alright, okay, so y'all.Brad Crowell  I love it.Lesley Logan  I'm so glad you're here. I can't wait for us to talk about Sandra Chuma. But before that, I have to say we are two days away from kicking off Agency MINI number five. And Brad, how excited are you for this?Brad Crowell  Oh, it's gonna be amazing. We have had a bunch of people already sign up. And it is it's really exciting to see people getting enthusiastic about moving their businesses forward. And the program that we have in store for them they don't even know they know it's coming. It is it's gonna be a whirlwind. It's been amazing. If you are wondering what the heck we're even talking about, you can go to ProfitablePilates.com/mini. And if we still have room at this point, by the time you hear this, you can you can sign up if you if there's no room, you will find the waitlist there. And you can find out for the next time. But basically, it's a seven day mini program of our open enrollment, ongoing coaching, business coaching for fitness business instructors. And it's a ton of fun.Lesley Logan  It's so much fun. So here's the thing, Brad and I are not big fans of Facebook, but we do use it for this program. And it is a frickin' party. Every time we do this have over 100 people in there. And it's just people sharing their goals and getting strategy, actual strategies and taking super messy action. There's always wins to be had. Like, I love letting people in. It's so much fun to let them in the group. It's so much fun to see why they're there. My notifications blow up like crazy. Brad and I don't even like, we don't even take calls or friends. We like anyone isn't asking us hang out. We're like...Brad Crowell  We order dinner all week. Like, there's no time.Lesley Logan  After August 7... We get the dog sitter like, I mean, I work out, but that's about the only thing I do outside of a Facebook group. So anyways, you have two days to sign up at ProfitablePilates.com/mini and again, if it's sold out, which it always does. If it is you'll get the waitlist and just put yourself on there. And don't worry, we'll check it on you. We love to help people with their fitness businesses. Okay, so, babe, do we have a question from the audience?Brad Crowell  We totally have a question.Lesley Logan  I'm super excited about this.Brad Crowell  Yeah. Well...Lesley Logan  Oh, let me read it.Brad Crowell  I would love for you to read it. Yes!Lesley Logan  I'm gonna read it. Okay, here we go. Okay, this is from someone who DM'd me at the @be_it_pod. That's where you can actually, if you have questions for us, you just DM us there. And the question is, here it goes: I have a question for you regarding how to handle and help negative friends. I have a friend who's a gorgeous person, great spirit awesome pizzazz. Currently, though, she's on a really negative spiral. Because she's so funny, they are really entertaining stories, but I feel like she's living in "rant city" and can't get out. Like you gals said in the pod, she's looking for ways to be right. I want to help her see that she can attract positive, not just negative, but then don't want to come across lecturing. Do you have a way you share this type of message with these people? I don't want to remove her from my life and I also work with her so the contact is frequent. I was thinking maybe a book, but also have no idea. I know she's open to change, also as it's stuff we've talked about. So that's, you know, that's tough. Negative people are hard.Brad Crowell  Yeah, you know, I, I absolutely believe that it is a decision to be positive or negative. But it's, it's a... it's also a habit, right? And that's the hard part, is that we, you know, just in the same way that we, you know, habitually walk with our shoulders down or whatever, turn our feet out from a physical perspective. There is a mental habit that we build for ourselves as well in how we think and it's just so easy to go right back to that mindset of, you know, the world's out to get me or everything is against me or it's really it's a combination. It's actually this question couldn't be more poignant because if you went back and listen to Sandra's episode, she actually talks about the, you know, the "world being against you" mentality and the stories that we tell ourselves. But it's also the story that the world tells ourselves. So, you know, this is a cycle. This is a habit, and it is a really hard thing to break. However, if you are going to be recommending a book to someone, I have a feeling I know which one Lesley is gonna say... And it's Tiny Habits.Lesley Logan  Oh, which is also at Sandra does. That's actually funny. Yes, totally Tiny Habits. I was also thinking The Big Leap, but um, you know, I love what you said, there, it is a habit for her. And it's a choice. Um, I'm also gonna say, you know, you wrote that she's funny, and the stories are really entertaining. So she's getting attention from people laughing at these stories. And she might have a story that she's telling herself that if I rant until a funny story, that's why people pay attention to me. (Brad: Sure.) So there, there actually might be that she thinks this is actually how she gets people to pay attention to her, or that this is like who she is, and this persona that she's wearing, and who would she be if she stops being like this. So I definitely love the Tiny Habits book. And, and you'll hear a lot about that with Sandra, too. I in The Big Leap is a great one, you know, it is hard. I'm going to talk a little bit about boundaries. It is hard if you work with someone, it's kind of difficult to put those boundaries up. But what I would suggest if you cannot cut the person out of your life, who's being negative, be the person you wish that they were to them. So, (Brad: Yeah) just literally like, Oh, you don't rant you don't say negative things like be really conscious of like, giving them what you wish they were giving you. And reciprocity is real. And it's also subconscious. So it's super cool. The other thing I would say is like books are really awesome. They also take time, and if someone is not like if someone doesn't read it going, "Yes, this is what I've been looking for!" They won't... there's a stack of books on the table that I've been wanting my dad to read. I don't think that they've moved in order at all. So what I would say is send her podcasts like these. Actually...Brad Crowell  Yeah, actually, this is a lot more digestible than a book. Lesley Logan  Yeah!Brad Crowell  You know.Lesley Logan  And so that's what I would do is like send, send them the inspiration that you wish that they were listening to. And then also just remember that it is their choice and not your responsibility. (Brad: Yeah) So that is hard because you work with them. But if you really feel that they're taking you down, you are just going to have to come up with some really great things. Something that I suggested to someone in my coaching group actually was like, pull a book out of what I learned about celebrities. When I worked at Fred Segal, I would meet tons of celebrities and they would walk around with the phone. You can't see me on a podcast, but the YouTubers you can see me, they'd walk around with their cell phone up to their ear. I swear they're listening to the time. I swear it was. "And the time is now 4:01 PST beeeeeep!" But like, I don't know, because they would do that. Why? If you have a phone to your ear, people don't talk to you. (Brad: Right) So you might need to put a phone to your ear and act like, "Oh, I got a call." And your phone can be on "Do not disturb" people are used to phones ringing not hearing it. Give yourself some outs. Then distance yourself and build up your resistance to negative energy. I hope that helps.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I think I like what you said. I appreciate what you said. (Lesley: Oh thanks!) Yeah.Lesley Logan  I appreciate what you say.Brad Crowell  Oh so cute. All right. Now let's talk about Sandra Chuma. (Lesley: Yes) All right, everyone. If you didn't listen to the last episode, Sandra Chuma is a shining beacon of hope. (Lesley: Literally) Being around her just makes you want to smile.Lesley Logan  We haven't even been around her yet.Brad Crowell  I guess even on zoom calls. First of all, she she's got an incredible story about growing up in a hut with a mud floor. Then going off to college, and eventually building an eight figure company with her husband. But secondly, her goal, her focus to empower others is simply inspirational. Like, what-have-you-done-with-your-life-recently, inspirational. (Lesley: Yeah) Her experiences, her life experiences, her internal struggles, which she was so open and sharing. I have shaped the way she thinks and has changed what she does for the betterment of the entire world. (Lesley: Yeah, I know.) So, she's awesome.Lesley Logan  She's amazing. And if you don't if you ever have a chance to watch this podcast, hers is definitely one worth watching. Just the way she speaks and the grace she has and, like, when he says a shining beacon of hope, you can see her shine. (Brad: Yeah), beacon of hopeness. Okay, well, here's what I love that she said. Giving! Her father said you're success will mean, will never mean anything unless you use it to help others, unless you use it to reach back and bring others with you. What is the meaning of success if you're only doing it for you? So I love this so much. Because I think we, I think it's really easy to put "just" next to whatever it is that we're doing. And we go, I'm just this, I'm just this. And when you put that word in front of you, you also just become really obsessed with what you're doing. And something that I started years ago, and I'm so grateful for you, Brad, because you've been able to help me do this is everything we do. OPC it's all about bringing that entire community with us Profitable Pilates and Agency. It's like we had success. Now, let me show you how we did it so we can bring other people with us. I want to rise all the tides like oh, there's only the one tide... but there's many oceans...Brad Crowell  We'll go with it. (Lesley: I'm just rising the tides) All 55 tides.Lesley Logan  But at any rate, like and it's also why we started this podcast. Like, I... it feels like a hamster wheel if you're just doing things for yourself. Or it can feel a little stucky, stucky's not a word. But you get stuck.Brad Crowell  We're just making it all up today.Lesley Logan  Just making all words today. (Brad: Well, I think) The point is that I want people to come with me on this journey. Because what's the point if they're not?Brad Crowell  Yeah, I agree. 100%. And, but in context with what she was specifically saying, she was saying how she definitely had a crash, you know, where she built this epic company, which, you know, she she really struggled with feeling guilty about not being happy, because she literally grew up in a village in a hut and now she has an eight figure company, and she wasn't happy. And she's like, my, I'm living a life that my grandparents would never have dreamed of. And my cousins would give their right arm for and but I'm not happy about it. And I don't understand. And and I think that that was the beginning of her revelation. Really, listening to her her father, about you know, what is the meaning of success, if it's not, you know, if it's only for you, or your success will never mean anything unless you use it to help others unless you use it to reach back and bring others with you. And that I mean, that's like, you know, it sounds like this nice thing you want to hear. But she lived it. she she she literally experienced it where suddenly, at the top, she's like that... Nothing's different for me now. But I'm apparently "here," whatever that means...Lesley Logan  Well, I think it's because we all just are going, like, we're all going for what we think the world thinks success is, and then we expect that that to make us happy. That's why we're the Be It Till You See It podcast exists, be the thing you want to be before you have it. (Brad: Yeah.) You know, be the happy person you want to be when you have the thing, and you'll be happier all the way there.Brad Crowell  Yeah. And the journey. I mean, it's she talked about that to where it's about the journey and enjoying where you're at today, right now, you know, instead of this, you know, angst that we, we like, put on ourselves for you know, I'm gonna when when this happens, then I'll be you know, happy. Yeah, it's...Lesley Logan  I mean, her rock bottom definitely helped her Be It Till She Sees It, for sure. But, you know, the other thing I think is really important is that this is not something she said, but something I'm thinking of is like, we can't ever, we don't want to ever take away anyone's rock bottoms like that, that place is literally where the seeds of so many things come from. And so if you are, (Brad: It's where all those tides come from), yes! That is where the tides come from! But the point is, is that if you feel like someone you know is not acting as if it's not Being It Till They See It, or you feel like you know, you're not there yet. If you're you feel like you're at a rock bottom right now you're listening to this, that is like where you're supposed to be and you can't take that from yourself. And I have been at rock bottoms. Brad has been at rock bottoms and like, those were pivotal moments in our lives that actually changed us for the best, the best versions of ourselves. And so, anyway...Brad Crowell  I do I do think that there's room for those rock bottoms to change you for the worse, you know... But fortunately, by, you know, surrounding, you know, yourself with people who are looking out for you and, you know, like, like making sure you go through it, you know, you can learn from it. And I know for me when, you know, when I was getting a divorce in the past, it was it was a, it literally changed who I am today - bar none. Like, nothing else was more impactful on who I am today than that experience. And it was a terrible experience. I hated every moment. It was so painful. But it was it was such a transformative place to be. And I noticed, you know, Sandra talked a little bit about that with her bathroom floor. So you have to go back and listen. (Lesley: Yes.) But... yeah.Lesley Logan  But also I think you made a really good point and then we'll talk about he liked is that it's the people around you. And thank goodness for people like her father who could... who could say something to her that would make her think and change what she was doing. And, and y'all have to check out what she's up to because it is... she is bringing you with her. She really is. What did you love?Brad Crowell  Okay, so she said this other thing that I thought was really vulnerable. She, she said, you know, life was hard, but it was fine. And she had this incredible community, we're just talking about community. She had this incredible community where she grew up in Zimbabwe. And then she went off to college. And she was out of her community. She was away from her people her support, you know, her her loving, you know, family, friends and neighbors. And she said, that was actually the beginning of when she began, she she actually said this amazing word, "not-enoughness." That's what she began experiencing this not-enoughness, you know, and she said, she went to school in England. And they talked about Zimbabwe, you know, if Zimbabwe is in the news, it's talked about as a third world country, you know, and so she became very small in her her thinking, and she never shared. She said, It took years for her to start to tell people where she came from. And she said she was lucky enough to get away with, you know, her accent was British English. That's how they speak in Zimbabwe, so nobody could ever question where she was from. But she never told anyone that she was from Zimbabwe. And I thought you actually, you actually hinted at it earlier. This the, when we put the word "just" in front of ourselves, you know, we're doing exactly that, "Oh, I'm just a, I'm just a teacher," or, "I'm just a fitness teacher. I'm just," you know, "a Pilates teacher," those... that kind of story. You know, "I'm just from a village." You know, "I'm just from a third world country," whatever. It's consistently reinforcing this negative view, there's not-enoughness that Sandra was talking about. Where today, she said she's so proud to be from Zimbabwe, from a village of people who loved her and cared for her, you know, and how much that's completely changed, you know, her life, that, that support that she had in that space. So, anyway, I was thinking about how we are applying that to ourselves in the different scenarios that we're going through.Lesley Logan  Oh, yeah. I mean, I think, whether or not you're from a small town, or a small country, or, you know, it's so easy for us to play small and not feel like we're enough. And I think it's so important that you just, you're enough, just because you are who you are, like, and that's so it sounds so cliche. And so like, whoo, whoo. It's a one-woo room in here. Like, there's only room for one woo, and the truth is.Brad Crowell  It so woo!Lesley Logan  It's a woo! Well, I'm making "one woo" a thing. But the reality is, is that, yeah, it's interesting how this theme of this episode is about the stories we tell ourselves. It's a story you're telling yourself, and you can tell yourself a different story. And I know it's really hard, but the subconscious mind is actually really malleable. And so the more you remove just from any way you introduce yourself, or any way you talk about yourself, that will go the more you actually talk yourself up. I tell people all the time, you don't like saying that you're a Pilates teacher, you feel like people don't take you seriously for that when you have this kind of advice or this advice, then call yourself something else. You're a wellness expert, whatever, you get to change.Brad Crowell  You can say I change people's lives. (Lesley: Yeah), they're gonna be like, What?Lesley Logan  I know. I know. When one day Brad introduced us as something else. And I was like, whoo, okay, I'm standing taller, you know, so I mean, I just changed my job title. And I feel so much prouder because of my new title. I'm the new I am the Chief Vision Officer. What? CVO, that is so much better than I was calling myself before. So if you are feeling small or not enough, start with how you introduce yourself and just start changing it there. That's a great takeaway. (Brad: Love it) All right.Brad Crowell  All right. So finally, let's talk about the Be It action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Sandra.Lesley Logan  We decided to team up on this one.Brad Crowell  This is really hilarious because she said, "Well, I don't have just one I'm gonna cheat. It's also more than three." I was like, "What?" And she's like, "It's six." I was like, "What?" (Lesley: Yeah) Okay!Lesley Logan  She definitely is the first to do six andBrad Crowell  She's the firstLesley Logan  And you know, they're so freakin good.Brad Crowell  Well, this is genius. Because Okay, she obviously started a company called WORTHY, okay, and, and again, stories, we tell ourselves worthy, you know, her, she took worthy and made it an acronym. So the W stands for why. So reconnecting with your why. The O stands for owning the day. The R is resting, reflecting and rewarding yourself celebrating yourself and...Lesley Logan  Yeah! And the T is all about tracking. Because how do you know where you're going? Like, so many people don't track, you've got to track whatever it is. And I promise you, it's moving the needle forward. H is habit because you are ever like you're everything you have in the habits. Those are things you do all the time. And we're big on habits and Sandra and me. Why is all about you, (Brad: You) you understand and believe in yourself and having the tools to help you understand why it's been challenging for you to achieve your goals in the past and how you must move beyond that. So y'all...Brad Crowell  I think it's so crazy. That the way that this this episode is kind of all circled around this, this idea of worthiness. And that actually, I produce the episode, but that wasn't on purpose. And now I'm reading all the action items thinking Oh, it's it all. It's all one story. And so amazing. Because Sandra is a storyteller, that is literally what she does. So Wow, she's so good at thatLesley Logan  She's so good. We'll have to have her back because I'm not done talking to her. And I really, I instantly light up thinking about her.Brad Crowell  Well, let's just quickly run through I think reconnect, you know, keep these short here. But the W reconnecting with your why, helps you build that foundation for you to O, go out and own your day. (Lesley: 100%) Right? And then when you go out and you own your day, you got the R which is the resting, reflecting and rewarding yourself celebrating yourself. So when you've reconnected with your why you can go out and own your day, then you can celebrate what you have gone and done. And it's so important. We are huge fans of celebrating you know (Lesley: I am) mini wins here. It's a big dealLesley Logan  Wins are so important. It's so important that you, I talk... talk about this in everything we do. But in OPC I'm literally, every single class, talking about celebrate what you did do, do not focus on what you didn't do, right? Like the more you celebrate you did do the easier it is to show up to hit your mat and do your Pilates practice again, right. And in Agency we have people like if they ever complain, we have a channel that lets them vent. And if they do use it, they have to immediately - not tomorrow, not later in the week when they have one, no - immediately go to the wins. Because here's the deal, you really do see what you believe to be true. And when you're in a negative mindset, you just keep seeing bad things happening. So as soon as you look for a WIN, you see other good things happening, and when you celebrate YOU, it really does help you own a day and remind you of your WHY and so those three, super key. Tracking just really quick, anything that you want to do, you should be tracking like where you started and where you're at and, and, you know, Sandra even said - she's a Tiny Habits coach, I've been studying tiny habits as well because I'm obsessed with how we get things done. And, and the truth is, is that like you have to whatever it is maybe you track it in your calendar, maybe you hand write in a journal, that's what gratitude journals are for so you can track your gratitude. (Brad: Yeah) Beauty of gratitude, y'all is judgment cannot live in the same space as gratitude. So if you're feeling super judgy and yourself to start saying things you're grateful for and it like changes, but anyways, tracking any, anything you track, you will actually expand.Brad Crowell  It's one of the things that we bring into our OPC challenges - is tracking. You know, it's also the reason why we have one class available for seven days because you're going to be able to measure your progress based on the previous day's taking class, because it's the same class that's literally on purpose. It's a way to easily mentally track how far you're winning, how you're succeeding, again, celebrating. But H, the tracking. It's funny because when you actually like write it down and you start tracking it and see it in front of you, it does shape your actions and habits because you don't want to have an empty box on your sheet for Thursday, whatever if you didn't track what it was you're doing. So you do it. Right? And that helps you with H your habits. And then lastly, like we kind of were already talking about what with why it's about you understanding yourself, believing in yourself, knowing that you are enoughness, (Lesley: Yes, you are enoughness!) and you have the tools you know, and having the tools to help you understand why it's been challenging to achieve your goals. And now move beyond that. So anyway WORTHY, she actually has a full company iamworthy.co so that's absolutely worth checking out. She's just awesome. I was it was a really lovely interview to listen to and I'm gonna go back and listen to it again.Lesley Logan  Yeah, while I listen to him whenever they come out again, I just, I just love it. I learned so much the second, third, fourth time around. So anyways, everyone, I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan  Thank you so much for joining us today. We are so grateful you're here. How are you going to use these tips in your life I want to know are using the WOR or use the whole WORTHY, tell us, share it and you just screenshot this, tag us on Instagram with, tag Sandra Chuma, her handle is below, and also the be it pod so @be_it_pod with your takeaways and send us a DM if you have questions or anything like that we'd love to hear from you. And also please share this with your friends. That is how this podcast gets out to other people.Brad Crowell  Bye!Lesley Logan  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. 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Brad & LL take a closer look at Susanne Puerschel's wisdom that she so eloquently provided in the last episode, discussing the value of prioritizing yourself, why you must take a moment before jumping into the next thing and asking questions when facing hard problems. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:When to put yourself firstChoosing your own beliefsJumping from one thing to the nextAsking the question "Is there another way?"References/Links:Pointe to Rise PodcastFollow Susanne on IG Follow the Pointe to Rise Podcast on IGPointe to Rise websiteIf you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebook LinkedInFull Episode Transcription:Lesley Logan Welcome to the 'Be It Till You See It' podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained 1000s of people around the world. And the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity. And it's the antidote to fear. Each week my guests will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice not a perfect, let's get started. Lesley Logan Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the incredibly thoughtful conversation I had with Susanne Puerschel in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now, go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us, or do whatever you want to do. You want to listen to this one first and then go back? Brad Crowell You do you! Brad Crowell You do you! And then let me know which order you listen to these episodes in. Do you go recap and then the interview, or interview then recap? Inquiring minds want to know. (Brad: Inquiring minds.) I always wanted to say that. Anyways, here's the deal, y'all. Okay, I'm super freaking stoked. As of right now, as of, as of this moment, the reformer flashcard deck is out. And... (Brad: Yeah, it is.) Babe. If you don't... okay, if you're like what is a reformer deck of flashcards... First of all, if you don't know what a reformer is, it's totally fine. But this is our second deck in a series of decks of flashcards and the mat deck was the first one we released. (Brad: Yes.) It took us, y'all It took us a year to get that one into people - like more than a year - to get that into people's hands. And there was a lot of reasons for that. And then the reformer deck, we had a turnaround time of like three weeks, I couldn't believe we did it. (Brad: It was pretty bananas.) And we did - it was bananas. But I'm really... Brad Crowell Also too, what was quite lovely, is this time we actually had a team. On the mat deck it was just Lesley and me, and this time it was... we were able to distribute the workload so we were finally able to make it - that's why we'll make go really fast. Lesley Logan I do want to give credit to the person who made sure the Oxford commas made it into the mat deck. Thank you, girl. We hope you're listening. But we have - so now we have the reformer deck of flashcards... Brad Crowell That will be Pilates bound. (Lesley: Yes.) PilatesBound and her Oxford commas. Lesley Logan Yes, she made us do that. So anyways, we've had the mat deck out it is awesome. And you can get that but the reformer deck for those of you who love the reformer, want to know more about the reformer. It is now available so get yours by going to OnlinePilatesClasses.com - you will see it... don't worry, you can't miss these flashcards. We are very much making sure you can find them. Brad Crowell Yeah, they're on the, they're on the site, the website for sure. But if they don't know what these even are, what are they? Lesley Logan Well, I'm gonna, I'm gonna... I just happen to have a deck of them at once. And if you're watching this on YouTube, I just showed them if you're listening, I just showed them the people on the YouTube Brad Crowell On the You... the Tube of Yous? So, so what this actually looks like is, you have a deck of a deck of cards here... Lesley Logan Kind of think of like, for my, for my girls out there who know Tarot, this is like a box... (Brad: right.) It's a fancy box like an apple, but... Brad Crowell Nothing in any way shape or form to do with Tarot, except for there are cards. And that's the only similarity. So the flashcards you get to actually look at the front of them, guess what the exercise is on the back. And as a whole description and all the things, there's a really fancy QR code on the front, like, you know, all these restaurants, we get to go to now and pull up those digital menus. Same exact thing. And and then the point of it was, is to be able to a) learn how to do Pilates from these cards, b) take it with you and be able to actually do you know, pull five cards and do five exercises, if you're somewhere, whatever it is. And so the mat deck has been really excited or exciting. We've had a lot of people taking these amazing book photos or videos and posting them to Instagram. And now the reformer deck is out. Lesley Logan Yeah, I actually just got pictures from someone who went on a vacation and she said I was tech free. But I took my Mat deck of cards. (Brad: So cool.) And she did them on her trip. And so anyways, you can get the mat deck and the reformer deck now on OnlinePilatesClasses.com where we do life better. Okay, that was I'm just so excited about that. Brad Crowell Yeah, but first, before we jump into this interview, Lesley, we had an audience question to respond to, yeah? Lesley Logan We did. And I don't know who wanted to know this... because I think the answer is probably obvious... Who does the cooking? Brad Crowell Who does the cooking? Well, on rare occasions when the workload is maxed to the absolute, I will ask Lesley to do the cooking. Lesley Logan Yes. And when he says when he says... when he says, when he says the workload is to a max, it also means that Postmates is also out of the question. We've, we've, know we've we've missed the window to get a Postmates to deliver to us. And so, I am very good at cooking in one pan. I have a I have a couple of good dishes, I will say. And he's always really impressed. Brad Crowell I'm always super shocked when she's like, "And I did all this in one pan," because I used to work in food. So I, for 13 years I worked in restaurants. I was always front-of-house. But I was always around the cooks and the chefs and all the other people that were like doing the prep, meal prep and plannings and all this stuff, right? When you cook for 200 people, you prepare everything hours before the dinner shift starts. You have your pile of peppers you already cut, you got your onions already cut, you got this, this, this, everything is ready. They're in their beautiful, nice little fancy little dishes and boxes and like you're ready to go right. And then when the rush comes, you can just grab your ingredients because you got them all available, right? So when I cook, I literally do that I literally cut everything, prep everything. I've got all these nice little bowls. And then when I go to throw it in the pan, I can grab the bowl. Toss my ingredients in, it looks like I'm doing a cooking show, because I like it. Lesley Logan Okay, and you know what? Here's, I'm sure there's people nodding their heads going, "Yeah, LL, of course that's how you do it." Let me just explain something... there are two of us. Prior to moving to Las Vegas, we did not have a dish washer. And... Brad Crowell That's true. Lesley Logan We had a sink that was barely big enough for the dishes from the day to go into. And, you know, whoever does the cooking doesn't do the cleaning. I don't know whose household me that rule up. But it felt like it became the rule in our house. And it was just like, like, there's two of us. And there's 17 bowls, and I don't know what to do with all these bowls. So anyways, I would I would have to cook our old apartment, I would, I knew how he made the vegetables and I would just chop them all up. And I would do... this as I did. So brussel sprouts take a little longer than carrots and broccoli then mushrooms, right. So I would chop the brussel sprouts up first toss them into the pan then I would chop the carrots, toss them into the pan and the pans cooking. And so I'm just tossing everything in and by the time that mushrooms got in everything's pretty much ready. Brad Crowell It's a good strategy. Lesley Logan It's a great strategy and guess what one pan no bowls and I got really resentful to be honest because his dishes workload was third what mine was. Anyways, now that we're in Vegas, I will be honest, we have actually gotten off the bandwagon of the cooking. Brad Crowell Yeah, I cook I cook relatively infrequently now just things have have definitely been busier. Which I which I do find ironic. You know, since we work like 10 feet from where we sleep like 10 feet from where we cook. So... Lesley Logan Instead of one foot so y'all that's bigger. Brad Crowell Yes, but anyway, the yes now it's been we're only cooking a few nights a week at best. Just because life is busy and crazy. Lesley Logan But he makes a mean carrot soup y'all so good. Brad Crowell Yeah! Takes couple hours to do. Lesley Logan Yeah, that's a bit much... his air fried wings... Oh, so good. And then we always have sweet potato fries, because they're my favorite. Anyways, thank you for that question. Brad Crowell Great question. Lesley Logan And I hope we basically it's mostly Brad, but sometimes it's me and most of the time it is the sushi guy down the street. So if you would like to know more about us, just DM me a question you'd like us to answer you can DM me @Be_It_Pod on Instagram. Brad Crowell I think there are underscores in there somewhere Lesley Logan there are but if you just type in Be it pod Brad Crowell what we do come up Lesley Logan Don't worry. Don't worry. It's not complicated. Okay, so here's the deal. You I am so into you making yourself a priority. It's really important to me that you know that when you do Pilates like it applies every day. It is the way that you can make yourself a priority. I know it sounds crazy. It's like how does that possible? That seems like it's my workout it is but it is also a mind body connection and so to convince you a little bit that Pilates can be the way that you prioritize yourself. The way I prioritize myself I want you to go get a free class for me at online plus classes comm slash be it. That's online Pilates classes.com slash b e i t Brad Crowell Okay, now let's talk about Susanne Puerschel. Lesley Logan I mean, I just feel like we should just replay the whole interview. Brad Crowell I mean, it was it was an incredibly powerful interview. She is a force to be reckoned with. And so soft spoken, but like really profound. Really, if you have not listened to that episode, you have to go do that. A little bit about Suzanne, she grew up in the ballet in Germany in a really young age, I think she was like living with our coaches and stuff. And, and by the time she was 18, she was a professional ballet dancer, which is, you know, I mean, obviously, she is incredible. She moved the states after that. She started her own dance company, after working at another company in - I'm sure it was in New York. And then she started a family, she then got out, she, they stopped their dance company, and she started working in corporate, she climbed the corporate ladder. And together, she and her husband started a seven figure business. And then they shut down that seven figure business. And that was obviously really challenging. And then along the way, she has continuously been rediscovering herself and figuring out more about her to the point where she is now, today, doing what she was meant to be doing the whole time. So interesting to know that she did all those amazing things. And now today, she's really doing what she wanted, which is she's building, she's building a program that inspires young ballet dancers, who have her experience. And she's coaching them. And it's really great. It's so needed in the industry, so needed in the space. And I have no doubt that what she's doing is going to change that entire industry. Lesley Logan I follow her Instagram, her Pointe To Rise, Instagram and Brad Crowell Say it again? Lesley Logan Pointe To Rise, it's point with an E... Pointe To Rise. It's, every time I see a post, first of all, every one of her posts somehow exudes the same space and grace and like, I feel like a bull in a china shop, to her like, ease. But her her posts are very thought provoking. But also, she's taking a look at her industry, like you said, and really changing it because there's no reason why these dancers have to punish their bodies the way that they had in the past, to have the success they want to have. And I feel... Brad Crowell Not just their bodies, but they're also their minds. Like they beat themselves up. Lesley Logan 100% and I think and to all my dancers listening, I know you're out there. I love you. I want you to check her out. But I think even if you're not a dancer, that would be me. We, it's depending on how you were raised and where you grew up some of those things, even if you weren't in the dancing world, you were told to and it's your so your everyone will benefit from checking that out. But you're right. I honestly when we did this recap. I'm like, should we just like replay because there's so many good things to say! Brad Crowell Like I listened back to it. And I had I literally pulled out like ten like 30 to 40 second... Like, one-liners. That was like, wow, this is worth talking about. Wow, that's worth talking about me. It was just really awesome. So did you have to go back and listen, Lesley Logan I feel like I should just do the process. I interview everyone. And then Brad listens to everything. And he like takes a note and da-da-da and it should be like, you know, the length of the interview plus or minus a few more minutes, right? Because it's like, whatever. It's a recap and he's like taking notes. He, two hours later he comes out and I was like, "Oh, how are they? How are the recaps going? Like are you ready to do a couple?" and he's like, "I'm still on Susanne's. Everything. It's all so good." So I have, I like Brad I agree it's all so good. And I had a really hard time picking out one thing but I feel like I had to pick out this one which is: I love that she said you have to make yourself a priority. And I also I... the reason is is because I think a lot of people feel guilty when they make themselves a priority. Especially people with children. I feel like they all of my friends with kids like they're their priority is their children and I'm not saying that that's a bad thing but i do i do think that like there is it's I can't imagine that you you don't get a little resentful of how much you pour into someone else. Because when they're not going to reciprocate that when they're young, maybe when you're older and you like need them to reciprocate they take care of you so I just really I really loved how much she talked about making yourself a priority. That I mean she she couldn't have like made the Be It Till You See It podcast more explanatory like this. When she's talking about like, "You have to be what you want to be," and I'm like, "Yes, you do!" And I'm like, "You should just come on every week." Brad Crowell Yeah, she talked a lot about the beauty, you know, that that that we individually have. Yeah. And just the way that she said it was like, like, wow, you know, really revelatory, and I really appreciated how she sees other people, because I thought, you know, here's someone who is an incredible, incredibly observant person, obviously, and, you know, the fact that she, it took her that long to observe herself. Yeah. is, you know, I feel like it's normal. I feel like, unfortunately, it's just the way that we are as people. We have hearts of servitude. And so we end up putting ourselves last. And, and I'm not saying that you shouldn't be serving people. That's not my point. My point is, we never make time for ourselves. And so when we never make time for ourselves, at the end of the day, it you know, we're just exhausted or builds resentment, or, you know, you feel like people don't appreciate you or whatever. And, and I think that the way that Suzanne was talking about it, finally, now, she said, I'm in my 40s, it took me to be in my 40s to go do the thing that I really wanted to go do. Lesley Logan And I. So I say this a lot. When I coach people in their business, I say you're the only person who can do what you do that you do it. You're it right. And even if you're not a business person and business owner, you don't have to be, you are the only you. And the reality is is like what you're here on this planet to do who you are as a person. It's so freakin awesome. And she said that she says, when you realize how much of a beautiful and worthy soul you are, you will put out what is important to you before pleasing someone else. And that's the thing, right? If you don't realize that if you don't show up as your, yourself 100% then the people that you're here... the people around you in your life, they're not, they're, they're not going to get all of you. And then it's a trickle down effect, right? Everyone's getting half the energy of something they're getting, and, and so it's just that if you make yourself a priority, you have more energy, you have more time the people around you are transformed and affected the people that you, you that you're raising, or the people that you're partners with - all of that - it affects everyone. And so I just wish we all would just go on below selfish. And be first and then. So anyways, couldn't love that more. I do you love that? She said, Brad Crowell Yeah, I think so. You know, I was thinking about this a lot. Because like I said, there were so many things, I actually think that what blew my mind was how vulnerable she was across the board. So you know, I'm not kidding, I almost cried listening to her interview, because she is just so like, what's the right way to describe it? She's very soft, right? But when she speaks, you listen to what she has to say. Like she's, she's clearly not the person who has to raise her voice to get across her what she needs to say. But through the interview, you know, she shared some incredibly dark moments that she has experienced. And I just I hurt for her thinking like, wow, you know, because she's obviously a sensitive being. And, you know, the, she said that she had to hit rock bottom three times before finally being willing to put herself first and go do the thing that she wanted to do. Lesley Logan So, if you're not watching this, Brad is getting a little teary eyed on that. I have the i i think what I love that she said about that is many people wouldn't share that they hit rock bottom three times. Sure. Brad Crowell No, I mean, who wants to look bad? Lesley Logan Like, oh my god, she like, you had to do it again? Like, you know what I mean? And like, I think there's a lot of people who are like, why can't I learn this lesson? Why does this keep happening? Brad Crowell Look, one of those things was losing a seven figure business. Yeah, that is that is devastating. Lesley Logan Yeah. And I think like, the question isn't, why is this happening to me? It's like, what is this teaching me and she discovered that on her journey, and, and you're right, when she, when she, she makes me think - I had this yoga teacher in LA that... he would start the classes by sitting there and not talking. And then everyone would get quiet. Yeah. And then he would start talking. And I remember going, "Gosh, what what an epic presence, that is because I would go into my class, I'm like, "Let's go. Let's go." Yeah. And like you're like yelling, like, "Why isn't anyone listening to me?" Brad Crowell Waving your hands, throwing things... Lesley Logan And like, the, the peace and confidence. And (Brad: Yeah,) I don't know this confidence, but just the like, this is this is she is where she's at, like she's so present. And I think that that it is powerful. So yeah, her vulnerability was awe inspiring. Brad Crowell All right, well, why don't we talk about some of the Be It action items that that were in there? I mean, like, like I said, there were so many. But what bold, executable intrinsic, or targeted action items, can we take away from the conversation that you had with her? I'm gonna jump in first here, mine was taking a moment. So she talked about in the flow in her life, in her journey of life, right, she, she went into being a ballet dancer, and in a really young age, and was following, following, what people told her to do for her whole, you know, like, early years, and then she got out of it and didn't know what to do. And so she was really frustrated, but she knew she wanted to leave Germany and come to the United States. And she made this big leap, and she moves to United States. And then she gets right back into another troop in the United States. And so she's again, following, following, following, right? And then she's, and then she, she leaves that and she starts her own. And then she leaves that, and she joins this corporate ladder situation. She does that for 10, solid years, you know, and then finally, she starts to start asking the question, you know, are looking at it and going, like, "Am I just repeating everything that I've already been doing over and over again?" You know, like, like, all the same mistakes, all the same successes, like is this the same story? It's just four different ways that it's the same story. And I really feel like it was after leaving the corporate world, that she and her husband, when they started their entrepreneurial venture, that's, that's like the beginning of when you go, like, "What am I doing? What am I doing here?" Like actually taking a moment and be like, "Is there a better way?" Like, "How do I do this?" Like, you know, like, asking questions. Lesley Logan Yeah, I agree. I'm glad you pointed that out as a great action step, because I think a lot of people wouldn't see a pause as an action step. They will, (BRAD: Yeah.) Right? And it really is. And I know myself, like I went from my retail job, right into managing studios, I didn't even take the beat. And so I didn't, even... if I'd taken the beat, I might have discovered that I don't like managing people... Brad Crowell Right. Lesley Logan I mean, then we wouldn't be here. So obviously, everything happens the way it's supposed to. But since that lesson, when, when different things have happened, I have really tried to do a lot of reflection, like, what did I like about that? What didn't I like about that before I start something new. And you and I do this a lot. And so I really, I think if you're going through anything, when you transition, take a pause. Just a moment. (BRAD: Yeah.) and reflect on that. Brad Crowell I think the most obvious one is, like, dating. (LESLEY: Oh, yeah.) You know, where you, you have a relationship and the, it doesn't work - go the way you hope. And then you know what, what happens generally? You jump into another relationship, and it doesn't go the way you hope. And then you jump into another relationship, right. So it's consistent. If you took a step back, if you took a moment, took a step back and you look at those relationships, you know, aside from the fact that you're the common denominator - sorry, hard truth... The other thing is, I bet you there are similarities in a) the type of person you're dating, b) the fights that you had, c) the reasons that it ended, I would imagine that there are consistencies there. And if you actually take a step back, and you look at that, maybe you'll see "Oh, what if we did things differently?" Lesley Logan We're not speaking from experience or anything... Brad Crowell No, no, no, of course not. Lesley Logan I just want to say side note, if you want to know about the conversation, Brad and I had when we decided when he broke up with me the first time before we dated? Brad Crowell Somebody better ask the question. Yeah, just to ask us in a DM. Lesley Logan Just ask you to DM if you want to know how, what, what I said to Brad after he dumped me the first time, before we started dating. (BRAD: Ok, ok, yeah.) All right. Sorry. Brad Crowell What about you? Lesley Logan Well, okay, of course, I can't have one. I have to have to. I mean, I think we've discovered that these recaps are another interview. So I loved... my biggest takeaway from her actions is ask yourself if there's another way and choosing your own beliefs. And here's why I love this. So, um, there's a lot of things that people say, "This is how it has to be." And just by asking yourself as there's another way, when we, when I wanted to move to Vegas, everyone's like, oh, it takes 30 days, at least it does this, it does this. I was like, I'm moving on June 1, we're moving June 1, what are the other ways Brad Crowell She literally announced June 1. And I was like, that's in nine days. Lesley Logan And I said, we're doing it. And it was a little tricky, because we had not actually found the house yet. But I was like, "No, we're moving June 1, there has to be another way." And so contrary to everyone telling me, it's you probably looked at in July, I was like, let's just see if there's another possibility and dreamhouse, everything landed on us because I was open to another way, another possibility of doing things the way people expected. So of course, I love that. And so whatever you're doing in your life, if you're coming up against roadblocks, just like ask yourself, if there's like a left turn you can make to get to the same place, right? Brad Crowell Yeah, I think also too, in her in her context, what she was talking about really was, really was about the the way that you were raised. (LESLEY: Yeah.) And the belief system that was instilled in you by your community, your family, your parents, your, you know, whatever, you know, and, and I think that we, we, we approach situations with assumptions. And, you know, that's normal. You know, there's nothing wrong with that. But by being completely locked in to those, that set of beliefs, it can really change the way you experience life. And I think that really was a, what she what she said was, when, when she realized that she was stuck on, in her own mind, that was when... And then she decided to shed that, those beliefs, that was when things really started to change in her own life. Lesley Logan Yeah, I mean, cuz I, you're right, I think, when people like, we feel that, "I'm just so busy," or, "I can't do that, because I have this," or, "I can't do this, I have this," or... I was raised with a different kind of money mindset than Brad. And so we all came into different things. And when she talked about how she could choose who she wants to be, and she can choose that she can choose all the things... in that... freedom is like, I also think ease, and it's a little uncertain, because now that's not the loop you know. Like, that's not the story you know, because you've just told yourself a new one. Brad Crowell Sure. Lesley Logan But if you can actually go, "Is there another way to this thing?" And then believing that that is possible, without the evidence or without going to the people around you who are going to repeat the old story are going to repeat the way that you should be doing it... Oh, you're gonna find so much possibility in that! And, and it does, it means boundaries. Probably a lot of people have a hard time with that. Or maybe not sharing some things with some family members who want you to do things the way that it's always been done. (BRAD: Sure.) But that doesn't mean it's forever, just so you know. Like, so I think it's really... I hope that, if you're listening to this and that takeaway really spoke to you, give it a try and let us know how it goes. Let Susanne know how it went because what I have seen her do and choosing another way and choosing her a new belief system for herself? I mean, it's, it's... (BRAD: It's really exciting.) It's awe inspiring. (BRAD: Yeah.) Awe, inspiring. Brad Crowell So well, before we, we're gonna wrap this up here, but before we go, I just wanted to give you a little bit more on what Susanne is doing right now. Her podcast and her company are Point To Rise, that's P.O.I.N.T.E. You can find her on Instagram at that handle. They're specifically dedicated to other dancers whose entire identity is wrapped up in ballet. She coaches these dancers through the extreme anxiety, health, health, sorry, healthy competition, body imagery, identity crises, all of that stuff that happens when you are, like, as a child ballet dancer, and, like, your childhood gets taken away from you, and you're, you're thrust on the stage in front of tons of people. She's literally been through it and she is so passionate helping others skip the the rock bottoms that she experienced after the fact. So to find out more you can go to PointeToRise.com P.O.I.N.T.E. To Rise R.I.S.E.com. And... Lesley Logan Also for you athletes out there I think it's very similar. I think it's.. Brad Crowell Yeah, it's not just ballet. Lesley Logan I mean, I guess she's going to like she's going to use words about dancers but like if you've dedicated your life to learning something... Brad Crowell Gymnastics, I'm sure is the same story. Lesley Logan You know, at some point you age out of that, or you injure out of that. All the stuff that she talks about as so many so many helpful tips for you. So please check it out. (BRAD: Yeah.) Lesley Logan All right. I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan Thank you so much for joining us today. We are so grateful you're here. How are you going to use these tips in your life? We're very curious and I'm just actually quite quite nosy... So here's what I want you to do. You're going to screenshot your favorite episode tips you're going to post it on your Instagram you can post it in stories on your feed. Tag us @Be_It_Pod (of course there are some underscores in there) Instagram will tell you... and tag Susanne Purschel @PointToRise and let us know what your favorite takeaways were, which ones you're going to use. We love it. We'll share it on ours. And until then, we'll catch you on the next episode and Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell Bye. Lesley Logan That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be_It_Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 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Reminiscing about Cambodia? Yep! That's what LL and Brad do right off the bat in this episode... just waiting for the world to open back up and then the retreats can start again. After that, they answer why they do a recap episode after each interview and review all of the amazing concepts that Amy Ledin shared in the last episode. From "finding one good thing in the middle of the mud," to "getting rid of the clothes that no longer fit you," you'll have plenty of take-aways. Enjoy!If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:LL missed CambodiaWhy do a "recap episode" after each interview?It's so important to find "one good thing in the middle of the mud"Inner Bitch vs Inner BossMental "software updates"The value of boundaries and intentionalityGetting rid of the "clothes" that no longer fitWhy "go all in" with your side hustleIf you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser and Castbox.Lesley Logan ResourcesLesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesFollow Lesley on Social MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInTranscription:Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to out yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.—-Lesley Logan 01:02Hey you, welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap, where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the profound conversation I have with Amy Ledin in our last episode. I love…we're just gonna leave profound in, because it's not a word I use, but I love it. I think of my husband every time because it's something he used all the time. If you haven't listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now, go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us, or be like me – listen to this one and then, now that you know all the good stuff, go back and listen to the other gold that we could not bring into this shorter version. So, we have some quick announcements. I've been thinking a little bit about Cambodia lately, because, and in a way that I'm just reminiscing but also sad. It's been over a year since we've been there. If you don't know us very well, we used to go two, three times a year. Brad Crowell 02:01It has been over a year. Lesley Logan 02:02It's been over a year. Brad Crowell 02:03Last time we were there was March last year. Lesley Logan 02:05Yeah, we were flying in, on March 14 as like the world was shutting down. (Brad: We were flying home) We're flying home, excuse me. (Brad: On March 14) Lesley Logan 02:14Yeah, flying home. And it was so sad because I was like, how long are we saying goodbye to this place? And I did not think it would be a year. I just thought like, it'll be… Brad Crowell 02:26No. I thought it would be a couple months. (Lesley: Yeah) And then like, I figured that our trip that we had planned for later that year was gonna be fine and we were gonna be able to, you know, sell retreats and go and hang and (Lesley: Yeah) see our friends and family there. Lesley Logan 02:39Yeah, and I just, so anyways, the announcement here is we really miss Cambodia. I've been looking at pictures of the last five years of us going there and looking at all the different retreaters and just thinking about each person we met because that shared experience is something that you, like, you cannot repeat. Even though we keep going back to Cambodia, we've had several retreaters come back with us multiple times and it's always a unique experience. And so, just so you know, we are going back someday. We are constantly refreshing the website to see if they're letting us back in yet, (Brad: Yeah) and you will be the first to know when we can go back. (Brad: Yeah) So, Babe, (Brad: Tell me) we have an audience question to respond to. (Brad: Do we?) Do we? Brad Crowell 03:23We do. Lesley Logan 03:24Okay. So I'm gonna be honest, I made this question up because you may be wondering…I thought you might be wondering why we're doing these debriefs. And this is our first week of the podcast and so you haven't been able to ask us anything yet. And so, this is our little shameless plug to ask us anything you want! Big AMA, as Brad likes to say it (Brad: AMA), ask me anything, we can go AUA. Brad Crowell 03:51Ask us anything Lesley Logan 03:52Ask us anything. Brad Crowell 03:56Yeah, you could just DM us at the pod and ask (Lesley: Yeah, be_it_pod) you know, whether that's a question about us, or whether it's a question about, you know, I don't know, business, Pilates, work life, you know, love, friends, dogs. Lesley Logan 04:11Why we got three dogs and how we feel about that. (Brad: cactuses) Brad knows a lot about cactuses at this point. Okay, so I thought you might want to know why we're doing these debriefs and so I thought I would let Brad talk about it because we are big podcast listeners, and we love pods that have these. Brad Crowell 04:26Yeah, I mean, we both… it's definitely a borderline obsession, the amount of podcasts that I listen to at least. Lesley Logan 04:37Oh yeah, well once you taught me about…once I got okay with listening on 1.5, and you don't have to listen to us on 1.5. I'm a fast talker, so… Brad Crowell 04:47Yeah, I listen to things on 2.0 and I blast through these different pods and I feel like I'm going back to college, half the time and then I'm actually able to get through the news that I want to get through every day, (Lesley: Yeah) which, you know, before I never had…who has time to sit down, plop themselves in front of a TV for an hour, and listen to one person? Come on. I can get through that hour program, I can get through two of those one hour programs while I'm walking the dogs. I mean.. Lesley Logan 05:14Yeah, and also the ones we listened to were on TV, and then they took the commercials out so it's even shorter. (Brad: Yeah) Yeah, no, when I'm on my run and I'm listening to my news podcast I'm like, I just have to remember that when they say tonight it was last night, you know, I got to keep my dates in line, but anyways… Brad Crowell 05:30Yeah I think the bigger point is that we, because when we walk, we get the chance to chat each other up on the things that we are learning about and discovering and whatever. And we thought that it would, there's always a commentary to the pod or commentary to the news or commentary to the book that we're listening to and I was excited about the interviews that you've been doing, and I started talking to you about them and you were excited. And you were telling me about them and I was like, we should just have another episode that's where we're kind of talking about what you discovered or what you covered with your guests. Lesley Logan 06:15Basically, you are in on the dog walk without the dogwalk. And it's so fine because I love hearing what Brad's takeaway of something that I also experienced because he sees the world in a much different light than I do. And so, if you are a “I'm a big ideas, big vision person,” he definitely likes to go, Okay, but how do we do that? He gets really into the nitty gritty. When he said you can ask about cactuses, you can ask him about cactuses. You can ask me and I'll be like, well I like the ones that look like this, I like the one that's like a cigar. You know I don't even know what they're called. So, that's why he's here. (Brad: It's a Saguaro) Thank you, you can say that one more time, it sounds so pretty. So he's here because A) I love spending time with him and B) I thought it'd be so fun for you to hear us talk about these interviews and what our takeaways are and get to different perspectives. And so with that. (Brad: Awesome) Let's get into this interview, but before we do, here's a deal. You may not know what it is that you want to be right now or we want to do right now or any of the things that, like, make you excited about life, but I promise you that when you prioritize your time for yourself, that things will show up for you that there's a practice to prioritizing yourself and I fully believe that my Pilates practice is me showing the universe that I prioritize me and how I feel and connecting my mind and body and so with that, I want to give you a free class at OnlinePilatesClasses.com/beit. So that's OnlinePilatesClasses.com/b e i t. Okay. Lesley Logan 08:03And now Brad Crowell 08:05Let's talk about Amy Leadin. Oh, sorry. Let's talk about Amy Ledin. Lesley Logan 08:10I know, we did this, I did this to her Brad Crowell 08:12On the pod? Lesley Logan 08:12Yeah. Brad Crowell 08:13I heard that and now  Lesley Logan 08:13I know. Brad Crowell 08:14And then I literally did it. Lesley LOgan 08:15You just did, and here's why. This is the thing, y'all, I said it one way, and you're like no I think it's another way. This is like two years ago. And better yet, and I'm like no, no, it's this way. And we had this discussion back and forth. And then I heard her on another podcast and that host must have said it the other way, and then we've convinced ourselves that was one way, and even when I hear her on her podcast I don't hear her say it the right way and then I freaking did it to her and I was like, oh my god I'm so embarrassed. And we just did it again. So, you know what? You're never gonna forget how to spell it. Brad Crowell 08:49Well, Amy is, I mean, she's awesome. She is unbelievably inspirational as a human being, as a mom, as a cancer survivor, as I mean, what an incredible outlook on life. When, when, you know, slogging through some really emotionally devastating situations. And she bears her soul on her own podcast, she is the host of F* it, and she's an online wellness trainer. She has been an online wellness trainer for more than a decade. She has the most amazing mindset hacks. She loves to share those hacks and the tips and tricks that she has used over the past seven years as she fought cancer, and won! (Lesley: Yeah) She just recently got news that she's cancer free. (Lesley: Yeah.) And, man, it's just jaw dropping to listen to her. Lesley Logan 09:51She's something. She's so special to both of us as a friend. And I remember last Fall when she told me she had cancer again, it was so hard not to just cry, because on the call with her…because she's just a dear person in my life and I have calls with her every other week. (Brad: Yeah) But I couldn't do that because I know that she is a mindset queen and she can't have anyone to think anything negative, rather it's like a negativity free zone around ‘oh my god is she gonna die' like none of those. You can't. So I just had to like… And I think that was really helpful for me. It was like okay, I got to be strong right now, and we're going to think positively right now. And it was a good, good lesson for me even though I wasn't one actually going through it. And now she is cancer free and we talk about that in the podcast. So let's talk about something that I loved in the interview. She said that it is so important to find one good thing in the middle of the mud and I freakin' love this, y'all. In my coaching group for fitness business instructors, we have a rule. You can have a moment – it's called ‘I Need A Moment' in the channel – you can have a moment, but I literally will go back, even the person I can tell cried when writing the post, and go…after all the love and I see you and this is awful..I will go, “Don't forget to post your win.” You've got to find something good in the middle of the mud. You've got to find a win in your day. Because our brain, it really does search out for things we believe to be true and that's why because (this is where we have to be very careful) because thoughts become facts really quick. The more you think something, the more you believe it to be true, and then you just by sheer nature, we want to confirm how true we are, so we seek out the information to prove ourselves correct and we actually don't see any of the other stuff. And so, in the middle of the mud, what is one good thing that's happening? Like, when I was homeless and without a car I was like, what's one good thing right now? Well, I don't have to clean the kitchen. Brad Crowell 12:02Yeah. I love this. I want to call it an analogy, but now it could, it's an analogy, I love this analogy because, I think we can kind of take it one step further, in the middle of the mud. That your mind will create a stepping stone that you will use while you're going through or going across the mud, right, and that stepping stone is your choice. What kind of stone it's going to be. And it will be negative or positive. It depends on what you dwell on. So, even though there's the mud and all the crazy that's happening with life and things are difficult and tragic, that stepping stone you create will be the thing you're dwelling on. So if you're focused only on the negative, that stepping stone, your mind is going to look back and remember, oh this stepping stone that's what got me through it. (Lesley: Yeah) Right? And if your focus is on how bad and how life is happening, everything sucks and it's the worst. Or, you can look at this and it's your choice to look at it and go, there was still a silver lining, I know that's another one, but there was a good thing that happened here, and your mind will dwell on that instead and instead looking back on the path, you can go wow look at how crazy that mud was, but that one lifeline got me through. Lesley Logan 13:31Yeah, I agree and I think I hear a lot of parents who do two roses one thorn or whatever…that kind of thing and I think, I hope they go the reverse though I hope they do a thorn and then two roses because that's really good. Here I am telling parents this is how you got to do it but the truth is our subconscious is really malleable and it needs double the positivity to outweigh the negativity, and I sometimes, I have friends who will remind me. They're like, Lesley, you were homeless two other times before that. And I was like, I was because I wasn't focused on what was happening to me. That was negative. I was focused on what was happening for me that was positive, and those things and how they're helping me get closer to where I'm going. And so sometimes I have to have friends remind me of the crap that I've survived. I'm like, oh wow I'm even more awesome…but anyways, the point is, find one good thing in the middle of the mud, that was my favorite. Brad Crowell 14:23Yeah, I think it's great. Lesley Logan 14:25What did you love that she said? Brad Crowell 14:28Well, I found. She said something at the very end, which she just kind of threw in there, and she was like, “Well, you know, my inner bitch versus my inner boss.” and I was like, huh? I thought that was hilarious, first off. And then I thought, man, that's the, like we all have the angels on your shoulder kind of a thing where in our minds we have that mental conversation with ourselves. I know you mentioned before talking about negotiating with yourself. Your inner bitch versus your inner boss. It's like negative self talk versus being it. Right? Be it. Right? And in her example she was talking about how she uses her…her inner bitch is definitely noticing things that she's frustrated with, right? (Lesley: Yeah) And then she again chooses how she's going to view that with this ‘finding that one good thing in the mud'. But her inner boss goes, alright well, if my inner bitch is so frustrated with this, then tomorrow, I'm going to make this change so that…because it's clearly…this is bothering me. What am I going to do about it? I'm going to do this about it. And she's very intentional about it. And then she has a lot of different tips and tools that she talked about with writing things down and she has her cards and she has all these other things that she does and she focuses on it, she identifies it with their inner bitch, she focuses on it with her inner boss and then decides what she's going to do about it and I thought that was pretty awesome. Lesley Logan 16:17Yeah, I agree. I, first of all, that already to me is an action step – and we haven't even gotten to the action steps – (Brad: Yeah, yeah) but we have that self talk, all of us do. You can call it your inner bitch, you can call it, you know, the devil on your shoulder, you can call it your negative self-talk. But whatever you're saying to yourself, is something that is bothering you, about you, and the best way to like squash that isn't to just listen to it until it's done. No, it's just gonna keep getting louder. It's like okay, well, what action steps can I take to quell that because it's obviously something that's bothering me. That's what she said. It's her boss moment. So freakin' love that. I love that it made you go, hmm? You can't see my head but he tilted his. Yeah. Alright, so now I want to talk a little bit about the action items that Amy Ledin said she recommends to ‘being it'. So Brad, what is your favorite action item? Brad Crowell 17:13Yeah, I mean, remember the B.E.I.T, you know, what bold executable intrinsic and targeted action items can we take away from that convo that you have with her. There was something that I thought was really interesting. She talked about software updates. And (Lesley: Of course you love this) Yeah, I mean, clearly that's what I gravitate to anything tech, right, but I thought that was fascinating. What she described she said, when she has a win, she goes back and takes notes on her win. She writes down what the problem was and then she writes down what the solution was, and not just the solution but how her life benefited from the solution. Like how, what changes did she see in her own life, when that happened, and it's, and then she puts it on a card and she puts that card in a drawer. And this must be her win drawer or her whatever, you know, her software updates drawer because when she is really having a hard day, she goes back to that drawer, pulls out that card, and then reads it. And it's this incredible way to reset, you know. She called it a software update but basically, it really reminds herself of something that was tangible, that was so positive in her life, so she can again dwell on the positive instead of wallow in the negative. And I thought, man, that is just a really incredible life hack. (Lesley: Yeah) A mental life hack. Lesley Logan 18:59Yeah. She, I mean, every time I get to do a call with her I get these little tidbits cuz she just talks about how she does it. She literally does these things and she lives them so much, she just talks about them like everyone does it. (Brad: Yeah, yeah) And she's like, yeah you know when you do your software…I'm like yeah when I do those, note to self. Like, if she can…y'all, if you're like, I don't know she does it all. She is, she just has a lot of boundaries and she's very intentional and that's how she can do it all. That's how she can do this with five kids. I don't have five kids so I could probably find the time to write my software updates down. And I highly, if you do that please tag us on the pod on Instagram @be_it_pod and let us know. So maybe my biggest takeaway was, she was like go all in on ‘being it'. Which this, I forgot about this… So her whole thing was like if you lose the weight, get rid of the clothes because otherwise you're subconsciously hanging onto that old stuff. She's an online fitness trainer and she's lost over 100 pounds and kept it off. And she's shared how like one of the times she lost weight she didn't get rid of the clothes and of course and then she ended up…that's telling her brain this isn't real yet, this isn't staying, this isn't going to last. I remember when I left my job in retail, I went to the Lululemon store with money I didn't have, to get at least two weeks worth of leggings and tank tops and everything so that I was like, you're a teacher now. And so you have all these, like, this is your work wardrobe now. Because before, my workout wardrobe was dresses and jeans and shoes and like all these things and jewelry like I had, I have so much jewelry, I still have it. But that was my work wardrobe so I had to…I had to go all in and make sure that…like this is that you have enough clothes to do this job, and so I love that I think that whatever it is that you're wanting to do, if you're like I want to go all in on my health and wellness, then go through your cupboards, go through your schedule, like, make sure that your wellness is scheduled in, go all in on being it, I love it. Brad Crowell 21:02I think that's really interesting, I think there's a couple…that makes me think of…I kind of never went all in on working in startup companies. I always kept one foot in the restaurant world still. Like, I kept a restaurant job, even though I had a full time job during the week, I still would work Friday or Saturday night at a restaurant. I did it for years. I worked in restaurants for 13 years and probably for six of those years I also had a full time job, because I never truly believed that my full time job was actually going to stick around and pay the bills. I mean, I was working in a volatile environment, but I, I never truly committed. In fact, I still have my name tag from working in a restaurant. Lesley Logan 21:56And how…so let's just talk about how that didn't help you. Like, you obviously were probably working a lot, and then, (Brad: Oh yeah), so you were not sleeping that much, and… Brad Crowell 22:08You know how good I am at sleeping. (Lesley: Yeah) But no, certainly not. Lesley Logan 22:11Yeah, so I mean like can you, can you tell everyone like why, why that probably…like if you look back and you can see, is there anything you go, gosh I, maybe I probably…maybe these things would have gone a different way or maybe my life would have gone a different way if I had just gone all in? Brad Crowell 22:26Yeah, I think it, you know, it comes down to the subconscious decision making factor. Right? Like I could always just say, whatever I just can go back and work in food. Right? Or, you know, when you're pushing really hard to make the business work. Maybe instead of going that extra mile, you just think like, alright, well if this doesn't work out, it's okay. (Lesley: Right) And that's not good for you. Lesley Logan 22:59That doesn't make you go like that doesn't make you take the big risk or do the thing or really go big on it because you're… Brad Crowell 23:07I certainly wasn't being bold, that's for sure. I think that's another thing. Another thing…I was thinking about this…before. So basically, I think, how's this applicable to people in the fitness world? You know, there's always a moment in our career, our service industry career, where we begin to resent our customer, our client. Probably because they're assholes and they demand so much and they don't appreciate us and it builds this amazing resentment. (Lesley: Tell me how you really feel), I mean I didn't work, I didn't work as a teacher but I worked as a, I had a web development company, and sometimes I was like my stupid clients need to just like…they need to learn how to make a post all by themselves or they're not appreciating me or whatever it might be. And I decided, like, I heard this guy, make this…he was speaking to a crowd and I happened to be there at the event. And he said, you know, when I left this incredibly stressful job that literally landed me in the hospital with an anxiety attack, and I wasn't even 40 years old. He said when I got out of that, he said the first thing I did was I sold my company, and then I made this amazing decision that I was no longer going to work with assholes. Those assholes whether they were my friends, my business partner, my family, my clients, I wasn't going to take them on. I wasn't going to partner with them, work with them, nothing. He said, I want an asshole free life, because I don't need that shit in myself, in me. Lesley Logan 24:49To me that is so bold and so intrinsic and like that's ‘being it' because when you draw a line in the sand, and you burn the boats like Tony Robinson (Brad: Burning the boats, yeah) you like, you'd make different decisions in your business. Brad Crowell 25:02Well, it was scary for me because the first thing like I was sitting there, as I had this web dev company thinking, Man, I want to fire five clients, literally right now. And I was like, but I can't. I need the money. Right? And so like it was this fascinating, okay cool, I gotta start to shift here. But while I didn't just go like scuttle my entire income. What I did do was I decided at the moment – Okay, any future client that comes on, I'm going to love them. I don't need a shouting match with the client, I don't need someone who's gonna threaten that they're gonna sue me. Like, I had some crazy things happening because I needed the money. And I, and I made the decision at the time, that that's not gonna happen anymore at this point. I'm going to only work with people who are awesome, and then slowly get rid of those clients as I replace them with new ones. Lesley Logan 25:52I love that you share this because I think that is really a great example of what will happen to you if you don't go all in on ‘being it' because had, like, not to judge, like how you ran your website business but had you been really bold from the outside, even though you needed the money and said, these are the only clients I will work with this is how you work with me if you want to work with me, this is how you treat me and how I will treat you. These are the expectations we can have. If you went into it like that with that bold, this is who I'm going to be in my web development business, you probably wouldn't have had those crazy clients, but when we are half in or we're a little worried, or we're like, not trusting of the outcome, we tend to make excuses for things. We bend our own rules, we say yes to things we probably wouldn't have said yes to. Brad Crowell 26:40Well look, I also, you know, I don't think I knew any better. (Lesley: Oh, that's also true) You know, like the one when we first started out, I think there's a sense of confidence, like the mindset side, like there's two, there's only two parts to the businesses: what how you think and what you do, right? So I thought, if I could just get a client I can slowly leave my job. Right? So that's how I thought. So then when I went out to go get a client, I was like, You're gonna pay me? Yes, I'll take the gig. Right? Whatever I was like. Then I was like, there's someone else who's gonna pay me, then there's someone else who's gonna pay me. Okay, this is great! I mean, I was working way too much for hardly enough money with clients who sucked. And then slowly over time I began to realize these people actually need me, they can't do this without me. I'm working two times as much for the pay that I'm getting. And these people suck, so I mean that took, unfortunately for me that took years. Lesley Logan 27:45Yeah, I think the best thing though is that like anyone listening to this who's like, ugh, do I have to go through that? You don't. You actually just heard (Brad: You do not) how shitty it got and went for him, so you can actually learn that. And, you know something that someone told me, they didn't tell me, this is how much I listened to my podcasts, they were like in my ear and I'm like, thank you…like we were having a conversation…and they said, this host said on their podcast. you can't use the excuse ‘you don't know how to do the thing' anymore. Like, if this is what you want to do, enter whatever it is you're trying to work on right now, then you need to act as if you are the person (basically be it), and then being that person, what would they do if they do if someone asked them this question? So if you are going all in on being X, and you're like, I don't even know what X, X does it, then you use Google and you find podcasts with people who've done the thing that you want to do, you find interviews with people who've done the thing you want to do, and you actually do the research because guess what, when you are the boss, when you are truly being it, there are a lot of things I don't know how to do. And I don't go, I can't do it, I don't know how, or I don't go, let me… Brad Crowell 28:58We would never move our company forward if we didn't just make things up. Lesley Logan 29:03Yeah. Or like let me just swim over here in a bunch of mistakes for a while. No, I go all in and I go super bold and then I ask the internet questions to get the answers that I need to do the executable things to figure out the targeted next steps, and then I filter it through the intrinsic value of why I'm here to do what I do, so that is my tips, our tips on going all in on being it because it can be really nice to hear “Go in, be on being it. You do you. You do you, boo.” But like, the truth is that I hope what you heard and Brad's example in my example is like actual examples of how to go all in on being it and I'm just so grateful that you're here. Thank you for listening to us. Thank you for letting us be part of your life. You could be doing a lot of things right now and we're so grateful to spend part of your time with you. So, we are so grateful. Keep coming back, keep sharing this podcast, tag us on Instagram @be_it_pod with your takeaways. We will reshare those and we just want to get to know who you are more, and, and how you're using these tips and then you know, catch us on the next episode. Thank you so much. Brad Crowell 30:12All right. Cheers. — Lesley LoganThat's all I've got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast!One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate this show and leave a review.And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to podcasts.Also, make sure to introduce yourself over on IG at be_it_pod on Instagram! I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with who ever you think needs to hear it.Help us help others to BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day! —Lesley Logan ‘Be It Till You See It' is a production of ‘As The Crows Fly Media'.Brad CrowellIt's written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley LoganKevin and Bel at Disenyo handle all of our audio editing and some social media content.Brad CrowellOur theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley LoganSpecial thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can't see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all the video each week so you can.Brad CrowellAnd to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Today's pod introduces you to Lesley's husband, Brad Crowell, the CEO of their company. You'll meet him every other episode when they dig into the interview that Lesley hosted in the previous episode. In this episode you'll learn where the name of the podcast came from, what "Be It" actually stands for (it's an acronym) and then some great convo about the interview that LL had with Joanna Vargas from Episode 1.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Where the name of the podcast comes fromWhat the Be It acronym stands for (B.E.I.T.)How "Be It Till You See It" is totally different from "Fake It Till You Make It"How to play the "remember when" gameWhat is a "Loop" or "Open Loop"?Why procrastination is not badThe power of speaking someone's first name to themIf you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser and Castbox.Lesley Logan ResourcesLesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesFollow Lesley on Social MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInTranscription:Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to out yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 00:32Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap, actually. Welcome to the interview recap to the BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT Pod. This is our first one! So this is where my co-host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into an amazing conversation I had with Joanna Vargas in our last episode, if you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now. Feel free to pause this now and go back and listen to that one, and then you come back and join us. Or, if you're like me, and you'd like to know how things end, then you can listen to this one, and then go back to that one. There are no rules here. This is your life and you get to Be It Till You See It the way you want. Okay.Brad Crowell 01:11She's not live. That's literally how she is.Lesly Logan 01:13It's how I watch everything.Brad Crowell 01:15YeahLesley Logan 01:16If you watch the Crown, and Google it on Wikipedia while you're watching it let me know in the DMs on Instagram. Okay, so, anyways. Um, but first, Brad, is there any. Okay, hold on. So, this is where y'all, this is where we have an audience question but I'm gonna be really honest this is the first episode so there's no way that you could have sent us anything to ask us. Cuz you didn't hear the interview yet. And this podcast just launched, so we thought we would do something different today.Brad Crowell 01:47Yeah, we thought basically instead of an audience question. That instead we share just a little bit about what Be It Till You See It actually means, how we came up with the name of the pod. And what we focus on with our takeaways, with each interview.Lesley Logan 02:09Yeah.Brad Crowell 02:09So tell me, first off, tell me how we came up with the name.Lesly Logan 02:12Okay, so let me be really honest. We have been trying to figure out a name for a podcast for about three years.Brad Crowell 02:20YeahLesley Logan 02:20So, we have, we have come up with many, we have many URLs to many podcasts that will never be, and that's okay. But the way this interview came, this way this podcast name came about is, so I have been listening to an interview with Amy Cuddy on, it's an interview is a "TED talk with Amy Cuddy" that one of my OPC members had sent to me and she said, this interview makes me think of you and how you teach. And I was like, who has 15 minutes just to watch a random interview, random TED Talks of which, I don't know anything about right like I'm not, I have to be honest, y'all I'm not a TED talk watcher when I watch a TED talk, it's because someone sent it to me. So I listen to this TED talk, and she shares how, she shares the study that they did about how if you stand in the Superwoman stance, that means, hands on hips if you're on YouTube, then you can see this if you're listening to a pod, then I need you to stand with your hands on your hips. Put your feet parallel and a little bit wider than your hips, lift your chest and be the super woman that you are. And if you hold that for five minutes. What it tells your brain is that you're a fucking badass. She didn't say that those are my words but basically they did a study where they had people stand in that posture for five minutes, and then they had people go into an interview and they had these interview - ERS, forgot the end of that - interviewer clearly haven't had to go on an interview in a while. They had these interviewers have no expression whatsoever, completely interview them and the people that did the power stance left the interviewing nailed it. When the interviewer literally gave no expression whatsoever. They had people sit in a slump position so go ahead and slouch it out, sit in the sun positionBrad Crowell 04:17Slouch it out.Lesley Logan 04:18And then go in for the interview and all those people thought they failed the interview. Same interviewers, same questions, same non expressions. How crazy is that? So then she tells a story about how her life when, when she, I forget what Ivy League school she was at, but basically she had this brain injury, she was super super smart, has a brain injury is barely making it through college somehow lands in Ivy League school, thinks she is like failing she's with her Dean or whoever you talk to at college. I don't know, no one at my college asked me to come in for an interview of any kind. And she said, I am in the wrong place, I don't belong here. And he said, Why do you think that? And she had some response and he gave her a challenge to ask a question, every class and like actually be the girl who belongs at that school. And she then went on to be a professor at another school, an Ivy League school. And this girl comes into her office like I don't belong here. I'm not good enough to be here. I'm going to cry, not going to be here. And in that moment she gave the girl the same advice and she realized she was being the person who belonged at the place until she saw that she was the girl that belonged.Brad Crowell 05:40Yeah.Lesley Logan 05:41And that stuck with me in such a way because I grew up in the fake it till you make it world, which is like, smile if you don't feel happy put a smile on your face because you will feel happy and...Brad Crowell 05:52Well, I think there's a negative connotation to that where it's like you're worried more about the way others are perceiving your tragic experience (Lesley Logan: Yeah) or your discomfort or your unhappiness, instead of you focusing on yourself.Lesley Logan 06:08YeahBrad Crowell 06:08Right? So like it's: fake it till you make it is like you know like the, the perception of others looking at you. Be It Till You See It is, is your perception of you until you get there.Lesley Logan 06:20And I love that so much because we should really care so much about what we think and not what others think (Brad: Yeah) because others are not thinking about you as much as you want, we can get that another day you could ask me what I think about that, but anyways, so that still doesn't answer your question of how it got his name.Brad Crowell 06:33Yeah, I was actually thinking about that class.Lesley Logan 06:36I know, I know. Okay, so, so, I don't remember why this class.Brad Crowell 06:41I know you told that story, I think it must have been shortly after you watch the TED talk.Lesley Logan 06:45It wasn't probably it was you know what it was. We did this whole thing. We taught a live Pilates class, virtually, because that's how we do things, And you took the workout with me, and it was a smaller class than normal, and I finished the class with us standing, and I had us stand in our power stance. And then I told you the mini version of what I just told you, because it can get shorter, y'all, I can do it shorter. And I said, and now I want you to go and be it till you see it, and you said, that's the name of the bad guy. (Brad: Yeah), and I was like, What?Brad Crowell 07:22On the spot like immediately right there I was like, That's it, that's the one! (Lesley: That's the one!) like everyone's watching like, What is he talking about?Lesley Logan 07:29Oh yeah, The poor girls on the other end of the computer who we couldn't see because of the way the camera was, I'm sure we're like, what are these people? Anyways, they're still members of ours so it's all good. So, anyway, in my creation of this podcast, and really making sure it is worth every minute of your time because you all, y'all you, I gotta be honest with you, your time is the only resource that is non renewable you cannot recreate your time. Right? (Brad: yeah), you can create money, you can create, what are the other resources in life? I don't know.Brad Crowell 08:02foodLesley Logan 08:02foodsBrad Crowell 08:03friendsLesley Logan 08:03friends. All these thingsBrad Crowell 08:04All these sounds very family butLesley Logan 08:05No, but you can make familyBrad Crowell 08:08But you don't get more timeLesley Logan 08:09you don't get more timeBrad Crowell 08:10to get more of other things,Lesley Logan 08:11Other things. Yes, so, um, so I just feel like if I'm going to be in your ears each and every week which thank you so much. I want you to get what you to I want you to get something out of it and so when I was working on this podcast, I came up with an acronym for BE IT. And that is, B is for bold, you have, you have to be bold, this, this world is not. Everyone's going to ask you to play small. And if you play small. Guess what you're going to get - small things and it's really frustrating and unsatisfying and, you know what people don't do on their deathbed go, you know, what I regretted being bold when I was 29 years old. No one does that! They're like, I regret not doing the thing. (Brad: Yeah), that was bold. (Brad: Yeah), and I so B is for bold and it is the most important thing, and it is the scariest thing is the hardest thing it's so freakin scary for me to be here right now and talking to this microphone with you but I'm being bold too. E is executable, y'all, action steps, the things this is it's executable is hard because like I'm like people, and also do things that you could actually execute but that's the other thing you could also find people to execute the task for you so that's also really awesome. I is intrinsic, he...Brad Crowell 09:29I am not opposed to having strategic boldness. Okay. I mean, those two are definitely (Lesley: That's gonna be...) there they're not mutually exclusive, they can go together.Lesley Logan 09:41Yeah.Brad Crowell 09:42You knowLesley Logan 09:43This is why Brad is here, because I have bold ideas, and Brad's like, and here's how we do that. (Brad: Yeah) So sorry, that's our dog Gaia, she's gonna do that every episode. So, I like, I'm a bold ideas person, and he's like, as soon as I start to get a little scared like, oh my god, like I don't have the skills for this, he's like, Oh, look, I've mapped out all the strategies to make this happen. So, thank you Brad for that. We'll make a shirt out of it.Brad Crowell 10:09What's I?Lesley Logan 10:10I is intrinsic and here's the thing that I, I can't tell you how to figure out what makes you intrinsically motivated but here's what I will tell you about extrinsic. Extrinsic motivation is like money, things, right? EX it's like things outside of you, and those will get you so far, you'll take promotions and other things based on extrinsic you might say yes to something, but it quickly goes away. What is the word?..Brad Crowell 10:36Intrinsic is like internally natural (Lesley: Yes) it's a, it's essential. It's basically like part of you. It's so part of you.Lesley Logan 10:46YeahBrad Crowell 10:47That's intrinsicLesley Logan 10:48And that is something that I hope as you listen to guests and Brad and I, each week that you get closer and closer to. Why the heck do you want to do what it is that you want to do, always. Like, what is it about you? Right?Brad Crowell 11:00I think intrinsic is another way to talk about. Intrinsic is strengths. (Lesley: Yes) Right? Like, What are your strengths?Lesley Logan 11:08Well, you know what? People should ask us that question. We don't have time for that today, but hint, hint. You should ask that question because there's a good story around that. Okay, (Brad: T). T is targeted. So, targeted is just like, I believe you have to hit deadlines on things there needs to be a target to it, there has to be something that makes you take the action so you can be, you could have a bold idea, you can write out all the strategy, you could be intrinsically motivated. And if you don't put a target on that thing. You will put it off till tomorrow. (Brad: Yeah), and another day, and it will just be this thing that you've always thought you would do one day but you never do. And here's the thing about targets. You make them. And therefore if you don't meet them, it's not like, oh my gosh, I suck at this. No. You actually just go, Okay, why didn't I hit the target when of what I set? What got in the way of that? And I, and you ask yourself some questions, and then you go, okay, how can I fix this for the future? And then you've set a new target. Trust me. This podcast was supposed to start three years ago.Brad Crowell 12:24Well, also the thought process hadn't been put in to actually make it what it is so like we had this intention. Right, but we didn't take bold, executable, intrinsic, targeted action until, what, a couple months ago.Lesley Logan 12:41Yeah, I think, well I think sometimes, you know, ideas have to percolate and we did not put a target date on it, because we, well we can get into another day but like 2019 was going to be a podcast we decided that was the year that we like. Was that no new things? Was 2020...Brad Crowell 12:58I think 2020 I can't remember, but it isLesley Logan 13:00I don't remember why 2020 didn't happen, but...Brad Crowell 13:02It's fine. (Lesley: Yeah), the fact is that now that it's, it's coming together and I'm really excited about the planning and the strategy and the BE IT, and the acronym, I think it's awesome.Lesley Logan 13:13Thank you.Brad Crowell 13:14So, so, soLesley Logan 13:16Wouldn't be here without youBrad Crowell - 13:17Yeah, what an audience question. That wasn't. So fun, it's so great that it was...Lesley Logan 13:22And so you can ask your questions for us to answer on Instagram, @be_it_pod so if you just type in BE IT POD as three separate words and we'll pull it up or if you're like really someone who likes detail, it's really boring it's @be_it_pod. But anyways, (Brad: You'll find us) I read all the way and you will find it. I want you to tell, ask us any questions you want, there's not a question we probably can't answer. And we're really honest for like, No.Brad Crowell 13:56Yeah and so anyway, (Lesley Logan: Okay) I love it. (Lesley: I love you and I love it) So, thank you. Thanks for that.Lesley Logan 14:01Thanks for calling it out babe, I would have just let that moment pass us by and you're like this is it. So this is also, like, why you're here, and you keep your highlight the good stuff (Brad: End scene). Thank you. So, before we get into our whole shebang with talking about Joanna, I just want to say I have a quick little freebie for you so here it is: You may not know what it is you want to be right now, but prioritizing your time for yourself is of the utmost importance - that is totally a Brad sentence - here's the deal. If you don't prioritize yourself, no one's gonna prioritize you, and I believe in practicing prioritization. And one way that you can do that is with a Pilates class with me. Why? Because every time you show up for yourself on your mat you are telling the universe, you're telling yourself, I'm probably, prioritizing me right now. And so in order to do that because you might be like, “Girl, I don't even know what Pilates is”, I want to offer you a free class at OnlinePilatesClasses.com/beit. So that's OnlinePilatesClasses.com slash b e i t. All right, Brad, who are we talking about today?Brad Crowell 15:12Okay. Amazing. I really can't wait to talk about Joanna Vargas. She is an absolute rocket like rock star rocket like craziness she she's like a. She's like a bottle rocket, I mean every rocket you can imagine, she's that.Lesley Logan 15:27She's fire. She's fireworks, she's glitter that just enters the room.Brad Crowell 15:34Yeah, (Lesley: She's so awesome), she's like that, the glitter all over the place. We met Joanna at a conference two years ago now or something like that, and we had a chance to, to really get to know her over six months. And what a great interview. I'm sure you kind of picked up on that if you had a chance to listen to the interview with her already, I'm sure you picked up on that. Anyway, I just wanted to do a brief intro. Joanna Vargas has been an entrepreneur since she was a little girl, like really little, I think she said at six or seven years old, she started her first entrepreneurial thing. She creates her own life and questions everything. She is a total powerhouse, and she's the host of two podcasts The Get Up Girl and Dance Your Life, and aside from that she is just a really really strong businesswoman and, you know, loves life, so it was a really great pod.Lesley Logan 16:29I mean, there's there, you're gonna want to listen to that interview several times and it's fine to save it and listen to it when you need it again, how she like she sold, she bought avocados from her neighbors, and then sold them back to the people she bought them from which is just like a hustler! And she called herself a hustler. So, okay, here's what I'm talking about. In the interview, you'll hear us talk about this game she used to play with her girlfriend which is called "Remember When" and they would just lay around, and they would talk about remember when... And they would just pick something out that happened in the future, but they're remembering it and then they would just layer on it and it makes me think of those like childhood games where you would say a line and someone else's a line. (Brad:... whisper down the lane) Is that what it's called?Brad Crowel 17:15No, no, no. It's no, I think it's almost like you're telling a story but you can change the, you get to change the story. You have like five words to change. (Lesley: Yes) I can't remember what that...Lesley Logan 17:27Someone will tell us on Instagram. Anyways, um, I love this and so on the spot in the interview, she and I played Remember When. (Brad: Yeah) Let me just tell you (Brad: It was pretty fun), Joanna and I have only hung out two times around 50 other people. And we had another moment where we were doing photo shoots, but she was in her picture taken and I was getting my picture was taken. And so, you can play Remember When with a complete stranger or someone you barely know or somebody you kind of know or your best friend, and I really want to make this like a date thing, babe, I want to put this in our calendar.Brad Crowell 17:58OkayLesley Logan 17:58OkayBrad Crowell 17:59Remember WhenLesley Logan 18:00Remember WhenBrad Crowell 18:00Put in the calendar?Lesley Logan 18:00Put it in the calendar. I want us to play Remember When, because in the interview Joanna and I did this and we listened to it, because we bring up Oprah calling, and then, I think it was me, but maybe it wasn't but I thought I said, and then we told her we can't do that day can you do this day instead? And then, Oprah changed her schedule. And let me just tell you.. when I came out of the interview, I was like, Oprah's gonna change her schedule for me! I was on fire from playing Remember When. In that moment, it just made me feel so much extra and I think it's really easy to get exhausted from the day today. And when you need to feel a little bit extra, I want you to call someone and play Remember When so that's my favorite talking point.Brad Crowell 18:49Yeah that was pretty cool.Lesley Logan 18:49It's really hard to pick a favorite, but that's the one.Brad Crowell 18:52I had a question for you (Lesley: Okay) about something that you both referenced. You referenced this thing called open loops, but I didn't really know what it was. And I thought it might make sense to just kind of explain that a little bit.Lesley Logan 19:06So that's a great question, and partly because Joanna and I are both huge believers of openness, we're like, everyone must know what an open loop is. So, thank you for asking about open loop. As human beings we like certainty. Okay, we don't let.. We need change because that is like the only thing that is certain in life is that everything will change. But we like to pretend like we know what's going to happen next, which is why the pandemic was such a like thing, because all of a sudden, there was nothing certain, but nothing's ever been certain, but our brain likes certainty. (Brad: Okay) So, when you ask your brain a question. We've talked about this with our AGENCY group, babe. When you ask a person like, “Do you know anyone who could take Pilates with me?” That is a question that actually is a closed loop because they go yes or no. Right? But when you ask them, “Who do you know who would take Pilates with me?” (Brad: Love this) It is an open loop. (Brad: Okay), so, in that same way of changing the question that opens a loop. (Brad: Yeah) Open loops are putting a question mark on something that can't be a yes or no answer, it has to you, you're, you actually are asking your brain a question and not purposely not letting your brain answer it right away.Brad Crowell 20:29So that's interesting because I think that I heard this growing up and that your brain will subconsciously work on an answer, even when you're sleeping, even when you're awake, like you can, start the brain processing something and then like, days later you'll be like. Aha! It happened, it's there. And I've done that, strategically over the years. Like, okay, I'm going to start dwelling on this props of this issue, this problem, this this puzzle, this thing, or conceptualizing it or I'll like start thinking about it, and then, but I know I don't have the answer, but I want to consume the information and let my brain just start working on it.Lesley Logan 21:09Oh yeah, it's why procrastination is not bad if you do it strategically, (Brad: Interesting) And if you like. If you know you need to work on something you ask yourself, an open loop question on the thing. (Brad: Yeah), and then you procrastinate in air quotes (if you can't you can't see if you're listening but the youtubers can). And you procrastinate on it. Your brain is working on it so then when you actually go to sit down and do it before it's due. You have it all that, it's all...Brad Crowell 21:34Yeah. So this is actually, that's really interesting. It's just how I work. (Lesley: I know) Just literally how I work.Lesley Logan 21:39I know you're an open looper.Brad Crowell 21:40So because what I'll do is I'll say alright if it's still on Friday. Today I'm gonna think about it. Tomorrow I'm gonna visualize it in my head, I'm gonna actually like, I pull the pieces together. I like, I need it. I'm also the person that like really needs to see all the parts of a puzzle, like I need to lay them all out in front of me and go what order they go and, you know, and then (Lesley: It's different processes) And, and then, but then I can build it almost in my head, and then I sit down and I actually build it.Lesley Logan 22:09YeahBrad Crowell 22:09And this is how I build websites, this is how I problem solve. This is, yeah, all the things - that's fastinating.Lesley Logan 22:15You also do this just in life you're like, “Hey, you want to know something?” And then he doesn't say anything! And you know what, this is proof that brains don't like open loops and it wants to figure out the thing, because I'm sitting there going, and then getting agitated. What do I want to know? So anyways, (Brad: I actually do that) we talked about what open loops are and and her famous open loop is: How does it get better than this? How does it get better than this? And she challenged my question of, I'm always asking people if you can't do a Pilates exercise, what can you do, what else can you do? And it is very easy for you to go, well what can I do, and like to change the connotation. So we talked about, probably not on this podcast but in another inner other talk because Joanna and I just can't stop talking to each other. What else is possible, right now?Brad Crowell 23:11YeahLesley Logan 23:11What else is possible right now? And it is awesome and I love that. And so if you cannot say whatBrad Crowell 23:18Same thing with the curious, like being curious.Lesley Logan 23:22Being curious? (Brad: Yeah) Oh yeah, she talked about curiosity and so good. But anyway okay, basically we are just talking about how awesome the interview is so go back and listen, (Brad: Yeah) save it, share it with a friend who needs it because it is fire, she is you. You can't not. Brad's gonna hate I just said that you can't not feel like empowered after listening to that you have so many options that go off. Okay.Brad Crowell 23:43Yeah, also stated as ‘you will feel empowered.'Lesley Logan 23:47Well that's what you're here for, babe, for the people who don't like double negatives, you can, you can translate it to a positive for them.Brad Crowell 23:55Alright, so finally let's talk about the BE IT actions from this interview. What bold, executable intrinsic or targeted action items? Can we take away from your convo with her, and I thought I'd jump in first and just say one thing that I noticed wasn't anything you talked about. There wasn't like an actual talking point you had. If you go back and you listen to this interview, I am pretty sure she used your name, Lesley 50 times. (Lesley: I know) She says it in almost every sentence (Lesley: She does) Lesley, you know what Lesley, you know, this Lesley. Lesley right and I, and I picked up on it, like maybe halfway through two thirds of the way through and I was just like, Now I was listening for it and then I heard it the rest of the way through. And I thought wow, she is just so amazing at connecting to people in how she engages with them, she focuses on them. She speaks their name she knows them, (Lesley: Oh yeah) it is, this is obviously a sales tactic for those of you who have everLesley Logan 24:54She wasn't selling. Only her thoughts to me like she wasn't selling anything.Brad Crowell 24:58Right, well I think for her it's habit now (Lesley: Yeah) it's just simply habit right so it doesn't matter if she's in a sales call or not, but I, I really, I noticed that, and I thought, “Man, that is amazing, that is definitely something that you can straight up take away.” So if you're trying to ever go and connect with other people, using their name is so important.Lesley Logan 25:22So, I will just like total plug, not sponsored by this podcast, but ProfitablePilates.com has a course with her on how to create clients for life. (Brad: Yeah) And she talked about saying, saying people's name. And she talked about how to. And she also talked about how to remember people's names. So if you're like, I don't remember anyone's name, hold on, that is a closed loop, and she'll teach you how to do that. But what that made me feel in my own interview with her was that she saw me, (Brad: Yeah, sure) And she was totally like that was like a conversation she and I was, she and I were having. And I was on her Get Up Girl podcast recently. She said my name so much, I started saying her name, I was like, you know what, Joanna? And I was like, I feel like I gotta say it every sentence because, but it was like, why not, why not say people's names. So anyway, I love that, of course, you saw that.Brad Crowell 26:14Well, same thing. What about you?Lesley Logan 26:17Oh, okay, this is really big to me because, um, I think we hold ourselves back by telling ourselves a story and in her action items of be it till you see it, she says, Everything is a choice. (Brad: Yeah), everything is a choice and this is really hard when like, ish is hitting your fucking fan. I don't know why. (Brad: You believe the first one) I believe the first one. But the second one is important. So, look. We will have different guests on this podcast that are gonna have different things, and, and maybe you're like, “My, my shit isn't as big as theirs.” Whatever. What are you going through right now? It can suck, even if it's not traumatic or cancer or any of these things. I have definitely been there. People are just now hearing that I've been homeless three times and they're like, “Whoa, I didn't know that but you.” Well, right. You didn't know me when I was homeless, that's okay and. And also, it wasn't. I told myself I wasn't homeless enough because I didn't live on the streets. But what I didn't do was go, oh, wow is me, I have no place to live. I told myself on my especially my last one I was like, you are choosing to go for a bigger life than what you have, you are making this big, brave choice and I may, I made it a choice that I was living that way, and it made it made it so much more fun is the wrong word but powerful and and purposeful and and when other issues happen because...Brad Crowell 27:48It makes it more doable. (Lesley Logan: Made it more doable) You can embrace it. (Lesley: Yeah) and if it sucksLesley Logan 27:52And I could own it like I don't have a place to live because I did this and I don't have a car because I made a left turn in a different spot.Brad Crowell 27:59Yeah, so I mean, you know, I think it's a profound idea that you have a choice. (Lesley: Yeah), that life is not happening to you, (Lesley: It's not happening for you) it's not happening for you and you can choose how to take it (Lesley: Yeah) and that's a hard, that you're essentially flipping the perspective on his head, right? It's a hard thing to do. But I mean, imagine if you can find the good in a situation.Lesley Logan 28:25Well and also like, What possibility that creates? Right? Like, (Brad: Sure) you can actually ask yourself, “Okay, (Brad: Go back to the open loop.) I wonder why this is happening for me.” (Brad: Yeah), I wonder why this is happening for me, I wonder who I get to be because of this. (Brad: Yeah), and I certainly would not be the person that I am. And I definitely wouldn't be married to you. If I hadn't made the choices that put me through a trial that I probably wouldn't pray on anyone. But it made me who I am and so that's why I really loved that.Brad Crowell 28:56I think that's amazing.Lesley Logan 28:59Yeah, well, everyone. Thank you. I am so excited you joined us today. We really, I need you to know I'm so grateful that you're here. Otherwise, I would just be talking in a microphone in one of our rooms in our house for no reason whatsoever but it's true. I truly believe that we all have different people in our lives who say things that make us think of things, that make us make choices, that make us do things, that make us become the people we want to be. And so if you have any questions or you need if you're going to use any of these tips, please let us know, send us a DM on the @be_it_pod on Instagram, share this podcast, screenshot it, take, put your takeaway tag us, let us know, we really want to see you, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell 29:44We'll catch you on the next episode.---Lesley LoganThat's all I've got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast!One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate this show and leave a review.And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to podcasts.Also, make sure to introduce yourself over on IG at be_it_pod! 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In today's episode, co-host Brad Crowell joins Lesley Logan to talk about our last episode interview with happiness coach, Robert Mack. Rob's wisdom and life-perspective are contagious, encouraging, supportive, and tangible. Join us as we deconstruct the action items that Rob recommended in the last episode, and find out a little bit more about Brad & LL...If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How "being in the now" can change your happiness completelyWhen did LL and Brad start working together?Brad had a website building businessLesley already knew she was going to marry BradWe project managed our weddingWe forgot ONE THING at our wedding....SuicidePreventionLifeline.orgYou don't need to know the whole staircase to take the first stepHow you define yourself, giving yourself a titleThe power of journalingReferences/Links:Suicide Prevention Lifeline Rob Mack's websiteRob Mack's book, Happiness From the Inside Out: The Art and Science of Fulfillment The Artist's Way Morning Pages Journal: A Companion Volume to the Artist's Way If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser and Castbox.Lesley Logan ResourcesLesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesFollow Lesley on Social MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInTranscription:Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and business fitness coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to out yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.—Lesley Logan 02:10Okay, here we go. Brad Crowell 02:12Are you excited? Lesley Logan 02:15I am! I am so excited. Okay, this is all part of it. Brad Crowell 02:18Hi Lesley Logan 02:19Leave it in. Brad Crowell 02:19We're leaving it in. Lesley Logan 02:21We're leaving it in. Hello, listeners. Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the profound conversation I have with Robb Mack in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now and go back to listen to that one and then come back and join us. But what you can't see, everyone, is Brad telling me to slow down. Brad Crowell 02:43I'm actually, we are currently already at double time. You don't need to speed this up. Lesley Logan 02:49Well, you actually. So yeah, that's true. This is a podcast you can bring down to one-point-o. Anyways, thank you, Brad. I'm a fast talker, everyone. And that is one thing you'll learn about me. So first, Brad, we had an audience question to respond to, didn't we? Brad Crowell 03:07More space. More space. Yes. Yes. Yes. Lesley, we did have an audience question.  Lesley Logan 03:19Okay, well, what's the question? Oh, me. Brad Crowell 03:23Oh, me. Lesley Logan 03:24All right, everyone, this is real. Just so you know, we leave it all and welcome to working with us, actually, which leads me into this question, which is, right, when did we start working together? We got this question and a DM on the be_it_pod Instagram. And people wanted to know if (the person writing wanted to know) if it was before or after dating. Brad Crowell 03:45Before or after what? Lesley Logan 03:47Did we start working together before or after we started dating? Brad Crowell 03:51Did we start working together before or after we started dating… Lesley Logan 03:57Such a complicated question only because the window of us actually dating and not dating was quite long and maybe not a clear line. Then I broke my leg. And then that was after we were officially together. We still weren't working together though. Brad Crowell 04:14Yeah, but I built a website for you right out of the gate. Lesley Logan 04:17Right, but right out of the gate we got together because I broke my leg and then you made the website, so we were dating. We were officially dating. You did not build a website for me before you committed. Brad Crowell 04:27I'm pretty sure that wouldn't have happened. Lesley Logan 04:30Would never have happened. So even then you go to, so you build a website for me but that was not working with me. That was like showing off. Brad Crowell 04:39Um, it was kind of. It was kind of a little bit showing off. I think that's fair to say. Also, (Lesley: Thank you for watching) also, too, I knew it was something that I could do to win you over even more. So yeah, showing off. But it was something that I was already doing. I was building websites. (Lesley: Yeah) So it was a very, like normal thing for me to build another website. Lesley Logan 05:17Yeah. We have dogs, you all may hear a bark in the background, there's three of them. If you've got a dog, we'd love to know what your dog is like. I agree. I think you know, you already had a business in building websites because you were building websites for your band. So it wasn't like you learned how to build a website. It was something you already did. (Brad: Yeah) And I already knew I was going to marry you. So you building me a website was just a perk. You didn't know that. But I did. I think it was pretty organic you doing other websites stuff for me, building many websites before we got married, I think. But you and I didn't actually officially work together.. I think maybe the retreats were when we finally were doing more projects together. It's really hard. It was everything. This is the cool thing, y'all, we'll get into it as we talk about Rob's points, but like everything kind of led after the website then that led to something that led to my try at a membership. Brad Crowell 06:21I think the first time we worked together was our wedding. Lesley Logan 06:24Oh, you're right, we project managed the heck out of that wedding. Well Brad did, I just checked things off. Brad Crowell 06:33But that was the first time that we, we like, you know, tried to tackle a project as a team. Hey, yeah, buddy. August. That's definitely not gonna work. So, but I think we had a goal. And we essentially broke down the tasks. And we use the project management tool. And we, we fucking nailed it. (Lesley Logan: Oh yeah) It was such a cool wedding. Lesley Logan 07:06Y'all, we planned a wedding in four months in LA. And six weeks before the wedding, we even lost the venue. And we still like slayed. There's only one thing that we messed up at our own wedding. And that was because it was not in the project management tool, which was who was going to bring the wedding license to the wedding. But yeah, I think that was the first actual thing we worked on together. Brad Crowell 07:31I think and the thing was, it was actually really easy (Lesley: Yeah), to do that as a team. And so it was very organic when we finally or like tackling work projects as a team, even though, you know, I was kind of treating the stuff, except for the retreats or when you were traveling, like the any of the work stuff until I formally came on full-time, I was treating it like a client, (Lesley: Yeah) We only had a little bit of time, you know? And then eventually I got rid of all those clients. And that was just about when we started working together as a team. Lesley Logan 08:07Yeah, no, you're right. The wedding was definitely where we worked together as a team. And that was the first real step. It also made us realize how good we could do that. So to answer this amazing question of when did we start working together. Was it before or after dating? Was it after dating? It was when we were engaged. I think we got married in 2015. Brad Crowell 08:29Yes, we got married in 2015. Lesley Logan 08:33That's fascinating. Anyways, we never kind of remember when we got married, so we'll get there. Alright, so thank you for that question. You can send in your questions to the be_it_pod on Instagram. So alright, before we get into our next part, we just want to say… you may or you may not know, like maybe you're sitting there going LL like thank you for the podcast, but I don't even know how to make time for myself to be it and how to prioritize that. And I really feel like for me, there are times in my life I actually don't know the answer. Like, I don't know what I want to do. And the practice of showing up for myself is actually the most helpful way to do that because when you connect more to yourself then you can connect more to your goals to others to anything, right? So I want to offer you all a free class at OnlinePilatesClasses.com slash b e i t so OnlinePilatesClasses.com/beit. Get a free class from me. Take it as many times as you want. Notice how showing up for yourself for 30 minutes, I would love you to multiple times a week, but even once a week allows you to practice prioritizing yourself and your time in your life. All right! Brad Crowell 09:39Yeah. Awesome. Why don't we jump into kind of talking about the last pod's conversation with Rob Mack that you had. I really enjoyed the interview. If you haven't had a chance to hear it yet, feel free to pause this now jump back one episode take a listen to the great convo that Rob and Lesley had together. They talked about a whole host of things. But first Rob is an Ivy League educated positive psychology expert. He's a celebrated happiness coach. He's also an executive coach and an author. And I found the conversation really, actually, kind of shocking, because he came right out of the gate, talking about suicide. So we're going to talk just a little bit about suicide here. And we want to also tell you that if you are, have ever considered anything, when it comes to taking your own life, there is help available to you in the United States, and I want to say abroad because they have a 1-800 number, you can call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline. And they are saying that we can all help prevent suicide. The Lifeline provides 24/7, free and confidential support for people in distress, prevention and crisis resources for you and for your loved ones. and best practices for professionals. They have a 1-800 number that you can call 1-800-273-8255, 1-800-273-8255. They also have chat support right on the site. And you can find that at suicidepreventionlifeline.org. So that said, when Rob was talking about his experience with considering suicide and it was right out of the gate. I was, I didn't really expect that I had no idea that, you know, as a happiness coach, that, that was something he was, that's where he was coming from. And well, I mean, you talked to him so… Lesley Logan 11:57Yeah, I totally agree with Brad. I mean, it is part of his story. And it is really what made him who he is today. So, I actually appreciate that he so willingly shares that story, because I think it's a topic that is often, people don't talk about, you know, and or they avoid talking about or they're ashamed of it, and he shares it in a way that really makes you realize that it can, it can be anybody and so please use that information should you need it or if a friend does. So our first my I want to go into a takeaway that I had because it's something that's really personal to me. In the interview, Rob talks about being okay with just seeing the first step of a staircase and not seeing the whole staircase. So he talks about moving to Miami and only just knowing that, like he's going to move to Miami and not really what's gonna happen next. And I love this because it's such a simple idea. It's like, Oh, yeah, let's just be okay with that first step. Just see the first step in a staircase. Take messy action. Y'all, I'm a ‘take messy action' kind of person. I have been practicing this. Like your mess is your message, everyone. I've been practicing messy action and just being okay with the first step. You should know something about me. When we watch The Crown, I will literally Google what happened in real life, just so I can watch the whole Crown, knowing what is going to happen. So for the record, this is not the easiest thing for me that I practice. But I couldn't agree more with him. I think it's so important that we don't get hung up on having to have every step of a staircase planned out to what we're going to be before we go, like, before we practice being it. And so, I don't know, I wanted to, I really wanted to bring that home because it is so simple and yet so hard. And people rarely do it. They're like, Okay, I have to have it all mapped out. And I don't know if this comes from like an American, like, pretty good High School, did you go to college, then you get this degree, then you did this thing. And like, I did all that stuff. And I never even got a job with the degree that I have. So knowing all the steps of the staircase has yet to help me. And I will say like this podcast, you know, we really had very few of the steps even thought through before we started it. My business, you know, I was blown away, like, okay, we're gonna do this right now and see what happens. Brad Crowell 14:14No, I think also there's a sense that, you know, you can't just wing it, right? You're not, you're not just like, (Lesley: No) trying to hope it into fruition, you know. There are steps, there are actions, there are, but there is this bigger picture that we are working from. We know where we want to go. Right? We know where the staircase goes to, (Lesley: But we don't know all the stairs) but we don't know all the stairs in the staircase, right? (Lesley: Yeah) So I think that as long as you have this bigger picture your vision for what you want for your life, then maybe you can only see two or three stairs ahead at a time and that's like with goal planning and methodically thinking ahead three, six months, whatever, you know, but you're still not seeing the grandiose. You're not seeing the entire staircase and all of the steps. Lesley Logan 15:11100%. Thank you. Brad's always here to summarize my long winded answers. And here's, I'm working on a course for y'all. I'm really excited about it. This part will be a free course where it's like, knowing the vision, knowing where the staircase ends up, where the top of the stairs is, and then actually like taking the action of the first step, because that's where clarity comes through. You got to take the action. So that really resonated with me. And if you find that very difficult, because you really want to know every step in your staircase, I promise you, it's so freeing to just know the first two, I know where the staircase ends and have fun taking a step and see what happens. Brad Crowell 15:46Yeah, I also think that there are very few, even in science, right? There's very few times in life where you know exactly every step before you're going to take them. (Lesley: Yeah) Right? You know, you're exploring, you're experimenting, you're trial and error, maybe you take a step up and realize that's the wrong step. And you take a step back. (Lesley: Yeah.) So you know, I think, I think for the Type A personalities out there, who know that they need to have everything in front of them before they even get started, you're actually doing yourself a disservice. Because you don't necessarily know you might get into something and then realize, I hate this. Lesley Logan 16:38Oh, yeah. And that's so cool. Because guess what, like, you can, you can go back down the steps and stuff. Or you can, you can find a new staircase like, or you can, or there's like, you can wind the staircase to the left, you know, which Rob talks about left turns. And that was really a fun part of the conversation. But anyways, we can talk about staircases for the rest of this episode. But Brad, I really, I really liked your takeaway. So I want to dive into it. Brad Crowell 17:01So after listening to the interview, the thing I took away was, I found really interesting is the idea of defining yourself. Right? And giving, you two were talking about giving yourself your own title. At first I was like, Man, that's kind of silly, you know. Cuz I come from the startup world, right? So when we're like a startup company of four, and it's like, well, I'm the CEO, and I'm the CEO, and the CFO, the CTO, and it's like, we were all four of us are doing all the work. Like, it seems ridiculous to be defining ourselves in that manner. Or, like, I'm sure you've gotten a business card from someone and you're like, right. There, the president of a company of one, like whatever. Right? Lesley Logan 17:48I definitely felt that way when I was the CEO of my own company, I was like, this is so lame. I'm the only person in it. Brad Crowell 17:56That's where my head went to immediately. But as you two were talking about it, I thought, you know, maybe defining yourself isn't necessarily like a job title defining yourself. Instead, it's a way… it is you. It's part of your elevator pitch to people, it's part of how you describe yourself in who you are, and what you are. And I thought, well, this is actually completely tantamount to like success. If you don't have a definition of yourself, you know, because you are your very first client. Okay, you're selling yourself first. And, you know, so for example, if you say, Well, I'm just a Pilates teacher. (Lesley: Yeah.) Right? Like, that's a tragic definition of yourself. “I'm just a Pilates teacher.” Right? Because like you just said, so small, but also you're setting yourself up – you've ceiling-ed yourself. Lesley Logan 19:03Yeah. Where on the staircase you can't climb anywhere. I really love that, Brad. You know, even you know, going back to the CEO, all that stuff. Recently, we changed the titles of ourselves, because we do have a team. That's more. It's not just me. (Brad: It's finally growing.) Yeah. (Brad: Yes) And when we changed it from me being the CEO to you being the CEO, even that definition switch changed how you show up in the business and how I show up in the business. (Brad: Oh, yeah.) And so, but he defined himself as a happiness coach, like, so. I mean, like, just right there, A – I want to know more. And then also, it really does help him filter like what he does, and what he, what he says yes to based on that. And so the definition of yourself is so powerful because it can literally uplift you and expand you or you could box yourself in and make yourself small. So I think I would, I would challenge people. I love the stigma. I would challenge you to tell someone who you are. Tell us, what's your definition? (Brad: Yeah) I'll listen. Brad Crowell 20:08Yeah. Tell us how you define yourself. And you can just DM the pod on Instagram. But, I found it really fun to think about your new definition of yourself, your new title as it were, which is CPO. Lesley Logan 20:31Oh, I know I was like…ooh. Brad Crowell 20:33What's a CPO? Lesley Logan 20:34Well, and that's something I didn't even know was an existence, y'all there. This is the thing. If you, first of all, if you don't define yourself, other people are gonna define you. So you may as well come up with your own, just side note. And then, but we were doing this whole thing with our coach one time, and she's like, “Yeah, Lesley, you are in charge of all the ideas and art. And so you're the CPO.” I was like, tell me more (Brad: product) I'm the product officer. I'm the Chief Product Officer. So Brad Crowell 21:03But that's, that's funny, but that's (Lesley; Oh she's a Pilates Officer) Yeah, how you define yourself is the Chief Pilates Officer of the company. And that's funny and fun. And you know, exciting. (Lesley: Yeah), you know, and yes, it still comes with responsibilities. But, you know, it's obviously our play on words – her CPO, she's the Chief Pilates officer. Lesley Logan 21:27Chief Pilates Officer, Chief Positivity Officer. I mean, it's a Chief Pod Officer right now. But, but I think, I really think the power of the words you say about yourself matter, because here's the thing, your brain and your body are listening all the time. So if you go around telling people like Rob is, “I'm a happiness coach” Boom. But you start seeing all the different ways you can coach people on happiness, you can be happy, like you can search for happiness. But if you come lower on talking about yourself, it's like, oh, I'm, I'm just a trainer, or I'm just, I'm just an assistant or I'm just, you know, working on this. I have a side hustle while I go to school. I'm just a student that word ‘just' is terrible. And also, you are limiting yourself. And so have I think have fun coming up with your title. (Brad: Yeah.) Isn't it Tom's the company where people can make their own job title up? Brad Crowell 22:27I want to say it can be tough. Lesley Logan 22:31It could be tough. Also, I do know that there are people who at Google, somebody made themself the chief, like the (Brad: Chief Happiness) Chief Happiness. Yeah. Happiness. Brad Crowell 22:40He was appointed. (Lesley: Yeah) Yes. Lesley Logan 22:43Yeah, Anyways, that's your homework. Okay. So now in every podcast, I like to ask our guests tips on how you can be it because, y'all, it's not just about inspiration, like you can get that anywhere, I want you to have transformation, I want you to really, truly like sort of see yourself in the thing that you are wanting to do you want this planet. And so, Rob actually, like went to town, he gave us so many. So you got to listen to all of them. But my favorite was journaling. And here's why. And we talked about this, I believe in his podcast, which is like, my therapist told me I needed a journal. And just so you know, Brad knows this. I have like 17 beautiful journals. And I don't write any of them. I buy them. Who, if you're listening, raise your hand right now but if you're driving, keep hands on the wheel. Who buys journals, because like their higher self is going to journal someday? That's me. And I keep them and I don't write anything in them. And so she's like, I want you to journal. A week later, when I came back for therapy. She's like, how's the journaling going on? I'm like, so I want to actually know what you mean by journaling. Is there a prompt I should be answering? Like, Hello. Recovering overachiever and perfectionist over on this end of the mic. So I do journal every single day. I do what's called morning pages. And there I'll talk about it a lot on this podcast because it's really, truly, it changed my world. You do it first thing in the morning. So I've had people tell me Okay, I do it in the afternoon but that's not morning pages, like, it specifically says morning. And the idea is that you brain dump for three pages on a legal pad and you never read them again. So if you are someone who wants to read your thoughts later on, this is not for you. But if you are someone who is like I hear you to journal, I don't know how to do it. You can take the LL route which is morning pages all the way. It's from the book the Artist Way so if you really need to know how it comes down, but I promise you having like getting your thoughts out of your head onto paper really does help clear the mind. Anyways Brad, what was your favorite takeaway? Brad Crowell 24:39I? So I love how tangible and physical the idea of journaling is. Mine was a little more esoteric. Lesley Logan 24:52That's good. Everyone's got a different kind of thing. So for the esoteric here you go, Brad's got one for you. Brad Crowell 24:58Rob said something that I thought was really ridiculous. And the more I thought about it, the more I thought, the more I like it. He said be the happiness that you're chasing. And I was like, come on, like, How does it even work? Right? Like you can't just be the happiness that you're chasing. And then I thought, well, that's really funny because it's perfectly applicable to our podcast of being it. Lesley Logan 25:33I love it. He just missed that. And it was like, basically what I'm doing. Brad Crowell 25:35Right? But I thought, how ridiculous to just do it, just be it, whatever. Right? (Lesley: Just be it) But then he took a second and he quantified it. And he said, he said, You can, you know, the happiest that you're chasing is obviously that quote unquote, happiness is in front of you. Right? Like, obviously, that's where you quote unquote, want to be someday, right. And he said, however, if you can be in the now, if you can focus on the present moment. And you can dwell on happiness in the present moment, then you can be the happiness that you are chasing. Right now. Lesley Logan 26:25So you have it. That made me think of two things. First, it makes me think of the quote, Be the change you want to see. Second, it makes me think of all that talk about being in the present. And a lot of people are always chasing the dream, chasing the thing. Like, Oh, well, when I lose weight, then I'll be happy. When I have this job, I'll be happy. When I have this significant other then I'll be happy. When I get that new lipstick, it's gonna change my life. Like, there's always these, like, there's always a next thing. And I agree, like, if you can actually be the happiest you wish to be in the future in your present moment. Then you're not actually chasing anything and instead – not only are you being it until you see it (what, what, thanks, Rob for that) – but I think you're just gonna end like you're gonna see all the things around you that are already there supporting you on that journey that you're gonna go on. Brad Crowell 27:27Yeah, I mean, I think that it's a fascinating idea. And I think that it's worth exploring in your own life. Lesley Logan 27:40I think I'm going to try and do that tomorrow. Brad Crowell 27:42Yeah. If you can, like, for example, just sitting here in our new podcast space. Lesley Logan 27:51I know, it's so pretty Brad Crowell 27:52Enjoying the vibe that we created in here. And this moment, you know, this this time. Imagine if this was our life moving forward, I would love it. (Lesley: Yeah) It would be amazing. It is amazing, Lesley Logan 28:11Right? Instead of us like going, Okay, how long is this gonna take? We gotta order that sushi before they close. Like we're actually being the happiness, being the thing in the moment. It really does make, I think it also helps you expand time, to be honest. Brad Crowell 28:26Yeah, we're getting metaphysical here. Lesley Logan 28:29Well. You know, Brad, I think that's a great takeaway. And I you know, what I love about you. There's many things, everyone, and you'll get to know them. But he is the most curious person. He asked. Like, if something is said in a podcast that he hears not just mine, but like others. And he is like, Huh, I don't agree with that, or that's interesting, or how does it even work? He goes down the rabbit hole of researching it and I learn so many things, whereas I may go, No, that's geez. Like, he puts a question mark on it. And like really goes through it. So it's really fun to, for that to, for you to be here. Because otherwise we'll only do the things that are tangible strategic, like, let's get into it. Brad Crowell 29:14I might say that I find that ironic, because usually our roles are very reversed in that sense. (Lesley: Yeah, but) I that I'm the action taker. Lesley Logan 29:23Y'all, welcome to being in the Chief Pilates pod officer room. The roles are reversed. Brad Crowell 29:28I love it. Lesley Logan 29:31Well, anyway, everyone, and anyone listening to this, just favor and let us know what your favorite takeaways of Rob's podcast interview were. You can screenshot this and post it in your stories and tag us. Also, if you have questions that you want to.. (Brad: Tag Rob, too) Tag Rob Mack, too. And if you have questions that you want us to answer, you can DM the be_it_pod, all that stuff, all the information is in the show notes below. I just want to say thank you so much, and I can't wait to hear how you use Rob's tips to change your life and Be It Till You See It and I will see you next time. Thank you. Brad Crowell 30:06Cheers.—Lesley LoganThat's all I've got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast!One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate this show and leave a review.And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to podcasts.Also, make sure to introduce yourself over on IG at be_it_pod on Instagram! I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with who ever you think needs to hear it.Help us help others to BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. 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My conversation with Brad R Lambert was a complete joy. To see someone so successful living in a town where egos can definitely get in the way of being human, Brad is a shining star. We had a real life conversation involving real life circumstances and in the end, empathy, love, comparison and the want to help others, trumps all. Success has not ruined this young man and he is an example of what is very right with the world and how he plans to love his life and leave his legacy. 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This will encourage other people to listen and allow us to grow as a community. The bigger we get as a community, the bigger the impact we can have on the world. Sign up for Joe's email newsletter at: https://joecostelloglobal.com/#signup For transcripts of episodes, go to: https://joecostelloglobal.lybsyn.com Follow Joe: https://linktr.ee/joecostello Transcript Joe: Brad, thanks so much for joining me on the show. I really appreciate it. I'm so looking forward to this conversation with you, Matt. Brad: It's great to be here, thanks for having. Joe: So I want to start I always like to get the back story, because I really think it helps people know the person and become more familiar with where you came from and where you are today. And so if you don't mind doing that, that would be awesome. Brad: Oh, of course, I am from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, so I'm actually from the East Coast, was born and raised in the Steel City, spent some time in North Carolina as well in Charlotte. I went to college at NC State, but I started really working, working when I was like 16, 17, 18 years old. You know, I had the traditional jobs of, you know, working at a sandwich shop or a movie theater. Like I worked at a movie theater all through high school and college for side income. And that's why I really fell in love with movies. So we'll get to that. But working working wise, I really found my entrepreneurial self at that age. I was very passionate about sports, so I wanted to be a part of the sports industry in any way, shape or form. Specifically, I wanted to work directly with my athletes, the guys that I cheered on Sundays and Mondays, now Thursdays, you know. So I wanted to provide whatever value I could for those guys. So I was able to get connected to a few of the Pittsburgh Steelers. And at that age, I was, like I said, still in high school so that the age gap between me and a lot of these athletes was pretty significant. So the disconnect was there, but I had to prove myself and build that trust and credibility through my actions. So I learned very quickly how to connect with high level people at a young age, and that was by building genuine relationships and adding whatever value I could to benefit them both personally and professionally. So, you know, simple things like, you know, later on down the road, it would be like, hey, man, I'm in Arizona training. Can you swing by my house and move my car for me? Yeah, dude, I'm around whatever Joe: Right. Brad: You need, you know, or, hey, help me with this massive campaign endorsement deal, whatever. So I had a range of things that I did for these guys. But at the start of it, it was at the the initial beginnings of Facebook and social media. So these guys didn't understand how to utilize social media to benefit themselves. And I had been playing around with it for a while. So I saw the opportunity. So I was able to then bring that knowledge and expertise to the table to help establish these guys on social media, help with content creation strategy, etc.. So through high school, I worked with these athletes and some agencies just do my own thing. Then all through college, I actually worked with a marketing agency while I was at NC State. So I was basically full time with the agency and doing school at the same time. So it was such a great experience because I had, you know, got in at the right time with this agency, proved myself and that I was going to New York City almost twice a month, sitting down with Fortune 500 brands in these, you know, Penthouse suites in New York City. And it was my job to sit there and be quiet, that that's what I was told. And that at the time made a lot of sense. So I would just sit there and soak up the room, all the knowledge, all the exchanges, everything. And a funny nickname I had was these guys were just so used to me sitting there very stoically and just listening. Now they're like, who's this silent assassin? Like, who is this? You know? But I was just following directions, you know. But now, obviously. Joe: And what what year was this? Sorry to interrupt, I just want Brad: No, Joe: To get the timeline. Brad: Not a problem, I mean, freshman sophomore year of college, I was working with this agency, maybe even through junior year, I'm not sure, Joe: Like Brad: But I was young. Joe: What year, what year, like. Brad: Oh, I. She's 20, 21. Joe: That's how old you are. Brad: Yeah, so I was 2009, 2010, maybe, so I was I was young and it was started college for me, so I was, you know, doing school work and then doing work, work and then traveling and doing both. And it was just such a great experience for me because it got me ahead. It put my feet to the fire and challenged me at early age, which I love. Like I'm fearless in that regard. I'll try anything. I'm not afraid to fail. At worst case, I learn one. I'm not good at it, or I learned how to do it a different way. So, you know, I'm not really caught up in those elements of what if I fail or, you know, I'm like, screw it. I'm just going to try. And if I fail, so be it. I'll learn and move on, you know, and be better because of it. So, you know, with that experience, man, like, fast forward to, you know, after school and I moved back to Pittsburgh to work with a sports agency. And then eight months later, I was out in L.A. working with Robert Downey Jr. and his team. So those elements of that experience from high school to college, where I was working with high level celebrities and professionals and entrepreneurs and things like that, it didn't bother me. Brad: So, you know, being in the same room with professional athletes or celebrities or talent like Robert Downey Junior, it doesn't bother me like they're just like us. They're just normal people. They just have high profile jobs and lives in general. So I'm able to build that trust and that credibility because, one, I'm not a fan girling, you know, in front of these guys and to it's it's all business. I want to have a genuine relationship with these people. So it's not about, you know, hey, what can you do for me? It's about what I can do for you. And my scale of giving and receiving is so far skewed and giving. And I'm not complaining. I'm just stating a fact. That's how I live my life. And I'm so happy because of it. The relationships I have are just mind blowing. I mean, just from status and success and, you know, credible people as well, as well as just good people. At the end of the day, that's all that really matters to me, is like you could be the most famous successful person in the world. But if you're not nice or kind to other people, I don't really care to associate with you. And I've had to cut off some big fish, but I don't care. Brad: Like, I really don't want to surround myself with that negativity, that ego or that hate. So my circle is very specific about who I associate with and who I call a friend and family and so on and so forth. So. You know, I moved out to L.A. and got my feet wet in the entertainment industry and going back to what I said earlier about working on a movie theater, I was the guy rep and tickets and cleaning up popcorn and stuff in high school. And I fell in love with that, just going to the movies. And, boy, I can't wait to go back when it's safe to do so. But, you know, that's where I fell in love with all the different genre of film, because before I worked at the movies, I was like, oh, just action, you know? But then that opened up my palate, rom coms and dramas and the horrors and literally everything, thrillers like thrillers. So now I have an appreciation for all different genres of film and that whole process. So coming out to Los Angeles, I wanted to pursue film, TV and entertainment as a whole. I never wanted to be the the actor, you know, BSR. That was not my my goal. I always wanted to be involved at whatever capacity. Brad: So I brought my marketing, my business background out here and that's what got my start. And I really started to find myself out here. After working with Downey, I went to Warner Brothers and I was managing the marketing campaigns for TV, film and catalog titles. So that experience really helped me find the producer in me because I was given task with large budgets. I had to collaborate with different agencies and teams and then flex my creative and business muscles to get stuff done. And that was me managing those very high level campaigns for Warner Brothers. So for me, that was like as a producer, you have to have a good balance of business and creative. And that that was me and I really was like, wow, I can do this. So I actually went on to executive produce my first film, which was a horror film I helped raise. I think it was between three to five million dollars, which I'd never done before. So that was just I was grateful to be a part of that project. And just once again, someone threw me an opportunity instead of being afraid of failing or oh, I don't know how to do this. I was like, give me a few days and let me see what I can muster up. Like, I don't know what I'm doing. Brad: I'll figure it out. And I ended up making a bunch of calls and connecting dots, and we were filming a few months later. So it was just to be a small part of that project and kind of have that experience now moving forward with the other stuff that I'm doing from music videos to commercials to I have a full slate of films right now that I'm working on getting funding for because they're all independent. I'm taking calls with voices and, you know, investors and things of that nature. So once again, that early experience. Pays dividends, you know, so waiting for the perfect time to to try things is not always the best route to take. You know, if you can start early while your competition is not, I think you'll really get an edge for yourself. And I am by no means you know, where I want to be yet. But the progress I've been able to make, and I'm only thirty two. So I'm I'm I feel the momentum. I feel myself coming together and who I am and what I'm about and the people I surround myself with and I'm just grateful for. And they inspire me and they need to be better each and every day. And I couldn't ask for anything more. Joe: That's incredible. So you're going to have to forgive me, because I know the part about this that means a lot to me is helping to educate the audience on how you become the type of person that you are that a lot of people want to be where they have to put one foot in front of the other and actually go through the stuff and not overthink it, not over planet. So I'm going to pull you all the way back to high school because I know what I was like in high school and I just I played soccer. I was interested in girls. I, you know, whatever. I never had the focus that it sounded like you had. So my first question is, did this come from your parents? Was there something that they instilled in you to say, hey, Brad, you can go out and do anything you want, just go and you just going to ask, how Brad: Yeah, Joe: Did that happen for you? Brad: Well, it's funny to ask that is so spot on, you'll laugh, but my mom always said if you don't ask, you don't get. And that has stuck with me from day one. She she's always been my biggest supporter. I love her to death. Obviously, you were a part of the Growth Now summit, but she was there. So Joe: Yeah, that's right, it's. Brad: In one of my she's my biggest supporter and I love her to death. So she's inspired me in so many ways. And, you know, so, yeah, she definitely pushed me. But I would say, you know, I was wired differently, you know, just in a sense of I was a dreamer man. Like, I, I always swung for the fence, whether it was asking out the the hottest girl or, you know, trying to get the biggest opportunity or whatever, you know, I didn't care. I was like, you know, my standards for what I wanted. You know, I didn't want to talk down to myself or limit myself of, oh, I could never accomplish that. Like, what kind of mindset is that? You know, I would say if you're not challenging yourself, you're never going to know what you're truly capable of. And each and every day I'm constantly stepping into something that I never thought was possible. Like I just got approached with an opportunity that wasn't even on my radar, not even remotely maybe down the line, but it was thrown in my face three weeks ago. And I've had to be scrappy and jump on the opportunity. But I wasn't planning on it. But I also was not going to be like, I'm not ready for this or now talk to somebody else. I'm like, I'm going to give it my all and it's either going to happen or it's not, you know, and that's how I look at things. So, you know, I'm fairly confident in that. And that project I was just mentioning, it's come along nicely. But what's cool about that project? I'm not going to dive into details, but I was approached for me. Brad: Get this done, but instead of looking at it like me, me, me, lalala, I was like, you know what, I'm going to bring in some heavy hitters and we are going to win together because including then we'll take away some stuff for me, but everyone will benefit and the project will be that much better because of it. And I want I want that to be very clear, I could have done this by myself as I. I could have done a good job, but it wouldn't be what it is right now if I didn't include these other heavy hitters, so it's having that selflessness to step aside, right. And say, you know what, this is what it is, I'm going to I'm going to bring in people I care about, people who I have a lot of respect for, who are so talented in their own right that are going to really complement what we're doing or what we're trying to do. And man, the the the masterpiece that we've kind of put together for this project, I'm so excited about it. But once again, I could have taken the ego approach to made it all about me. And I was like, no, I'm going to bring in the squad and we're all going to benefit and when because of it. So it's just that kind of approach where it's like, you know. Am I trying to just get it done or am I trying to go overboard and do the best job possible? And a lot of people want one hundred percent of the credit, whereas not many people are OK with 12 percent. Joe: Something great, as opposed to one hundred percent or something semi, you Brad: That's Joe: Know, Brad: Nothing Joe: I mean, right, Brad: Once one hundred percent of nothing. Joe: Right. Brad: I mean, that's that's the reality of it. So a lot of people only want to think of themselves or they want all the limelight and they want all the shine and credit. And it's like, look, at the end of the day, nobody gets anywhere by themselves. And people who say otherwise are either insane or they're egomaniacs to the point where it's like there's no talking to them. They just they are who they are. So for me, it's like I never want to be put in that category. I think ego is one of the biggest turnoffs up in general and to it's one of the biggest inhibitors to success, growth, relationships, period. And being in Hollywood, I'm sure you can imagine the egos that exist here. And it's funny from people who have no right to have egos here have egos. So it is it's fascinating to me where, you know, I'm from Pittsburgh. It's a blue collar town. It's a hardworking town. It's a good town. The people are kind. They're giving, they're generous. And, you know, so coming out here, I was very much an alien in a way because I didn't subscribe to the norms of L.A. and the behavior and the competition and the wild, wild West nonsense. And, you know, I didn't get along with people who who played that game because I'm not going to play that game. I'm not going to cut somebody's legs off to to win. That's just not who I am. So that's what allowed me to kind of separate myself and find myself and find my lane. Brad: And, you know, there are consequences to your actions and how you treat people. And in this business, they always come back around the person you screw over. Now, I guarantee you you'll see them in five years. That's just how the business is. Unless you leave the business because it's not for you and you fail, you're going to see him again. So you need to treat everyone with respect and kindness. You may not like them, but that's not a requirement, right? Like there are a lot of people I don't like in this business, but I still will treat them with respect and kindness. I don't have to like them. You know, I wouldn't have to be friends. We can be acquaintances, professional. Relationship, but aside from that, like we're not going to be grabbing a beer, watching football, like that's just, you know, that's not. But everybody, once again, they're still like this with so many aspects of their life, just like this, where you need to widen. That view and why, in your mind and your horizon to the possibilities of not just what you're capable of, but looking at situations differently, like I try to plan five to 10 moves ahead if I do or say this, this, this and this is going to happen, you know? So it's it's it's mental chess in a way of understanding how, you know, things move, how things operate, how people move and how people operate and everybody's different. Brad: But if you can understand, you know, interpersonal communication and kind of get a good read on somebody, you can understand the ebb and flow of conversation and their actions. People are very stuck to patterns. They behave a certain way and they rarely change. So if you can identify that pattern and how they move and how they speak and things like that, you're able to kind of ride the wave in a way of like, this is how this person is. I got to kind of change chameleon wise to to be able to deal with it and make it successful because we can't just stay the same core values. Yes, stay the same. But in regards to, like, how you communicate with certain people, some people, you got to have the most amount of patience in the history of time. Other people, it's like it's so chill, like it's a chill work environment. Whatever other people you have to really kind of be on them to to make sure they're getting whatever tasks done. And so everybody's different. But you have to you can't just stay the same person with everybody. You have to understand that each each everybody's different and you have to kind of change to best suit that like a puzzle piece, because if you don't. That's where the issues happen. You know, you're not the way I want you to be, Joe. So we're going to have problems Joe: Ok. Brad: Like that. That's not how it works. But put a lot of leaders are like that where it's like you don't fit what I want. You're out of here. You're not a brainwashed zombie. You're out of here. And trust me, I've had so many experiences like that where it's like if you have an opinion, if you're your own person and it's the way the business is, it's the wild, wild West. And I will say this, those people make it far very quickly, but long term, you know, fall on their face. Joe: So and that's what attracted me to you in that that Growth Now summit. I heard you talk and then I started looking at all that you've accomplished at the ripe old age of 30 to Brad: Thank Joe: Like Brad: You. Joe: I was like this. He is the most humble person that I've seen with the accolades that you have. And I just was like, got to have to talk to this guy because I just turned fifty nine. And there's many things I want to do with my life. I didn't do all of the things the way. I mean, I don't like I don't want to say regret, but I definitely feel like I have some regret because I just didn't if I don't know, I've always had really high goals. Did I work as hard as I should have on all those things? Probably not. So I take all of the blame. But I just think that I want to surround myself with people that even now, like, I could just say, well, you know, it didn't work out. I'm just going to just going to do it constantly. I think a big motivator for me with this podcast when I started it almost a year ago was I want to be around people that are successful, people that through me and these conversations can spread the word of what they did to make things like this happen. And so, yeah, you you definitely had to be wired different. The fact that a in high school, you were doing all that you were doing and then again in college, college is like, wow, I'm finally out of the house and I'm just going to I'm going to do as little work as I can and I'm going to have a great time. Brad: Look, Joe: It's just Brad: I Joe: It's. Brad: Don't think I went to one party in college, I'm Joe: I Brad: Not Joe: Know Brad: Getting. Joe: It doesn't surprise me. It sounds Brad: I Joe: Like. Brad: Just I had no interest like the the one to one exchanges and the nonsense now I had fun in my own way, but like I just that college, like it just didn't it didn't appeal to me. But I was also so busy on the other things that I was trying to do. And I saw the potential and the benefits of the things that I was doing. I actually stepped away from school for a year because that marketing agency opportunity was thriving so much. Where I'm in these boardrooms at Fortune 500 companies, I'm like, why am I still in school? You know, like and so I took a year off and I went all in on this marketing agency and the experience I got out was crazy. And I ended up finishing school online. But it was like that's the kind of real world experience that, you know, I had a conversation with the young lady the other day in Canada. And she's like, how do I how do I get to where you are? And I was like, what are you doing right now? You took the time and the effort to to follow up with me on LinkedIn. And we finally found a time to talk. And I'm giving you 15, 20 minutes to talk. And however I can help you, I'm going to do it. And she was just very laser focused, right, on what she wanted to get out of this conversation. And I was like, your hustle, your focus. Like, that's going to get you really far. Brad: And now you just have to act on it. You can't worry like it's like sales. You're going to knock on two hundred doors and you might get one or two answers. But the second you're about to quit that next door might be the one that changes your whole life. So that's why it's like you just got to keep going. You've got to ignore like there are things where I have an opportunity, biggest opportunity ever and I'll just like I'll do what I need to do. But then I move on. Like, I'm not waiting or dwelling, I'm just like next, you know, that's not something that I, you know, I don't want to waste time because it's out of my hands. Once I do what I need to do, I hand it off and then what will be will be right. So I'm not going to sit here and and be kind of bent out of shape of, oh, my gosh, I haven't got one. Yes. Like I've got so knows I've lost count. But that is what we need to do. Like we have to persist, we have to keep going. And that's something that a lot of people aren't like. Some people can't handle failure and I get it. But at the same time, like you're capable of more than you think, you just have to rewire how you look at things. Once again, it's not you're a loser, Joe. You failed. It's that opportunity wasn't meant for you. And what did you learn out of it? Well, that changes the whole game like that, I don't feel like a loser, right, because I did it when, you know, when I win, I learn. Brad: When I lose, I learn. But I don't look at it is like, wow, I failed, you know, just like look. And if anything, it's another chip on my shoulder, right. Somebody passed on me. The opportunity didn't work out, whatever. But like a great example is what's right behind me right here. This this poster of Avenger's, a game that's signed by the entire cast. OK, I'm a huge nerd. I love pop culture. I love film. I love TV. I love comics. I grew up with these characters. So to be able to work with a guy like Downey, you can imagine how awesome that was. So I wanted to work for Marvel after Downey. I went to Warner Brothers and at Warner Brothers, I was working on all these IPS and campaigns and titles that I loved. And I was like, this is so much fun. I would die to, like, go to Disney and do this for Marvel. I have to do this for Marvel. So I tried. I tried it, tried even it down. I tried to get a job at Marvel and I came second place. And then when I was a WB, I had, I think, two tries where I came second place. And I was just like, oh, it's not it's not working, you know? And a lot of people would have just given up on that dream. It's never going to happen. Brad: I'm never going to work for Marvel, never going to work for Disney. It's just not meant to be. All right, fine. So I'm going to create my own path. That's why I did I was doing my own thing. I was producing, managing, consulting, and I brought value. To Marvel and Disney put this collaboration together with one of the biggest artists on social media, and he designed this incredible artist, so freakin talented, but the goal of working with Marvel and Disney right there. So I went from failing multiple times, not giving up and then working on the biggest movie of all time, being a very small piece to that campaign. And that's something like like I said, it's signed by the entire cast. And that's a living reminder every single day where it's like. You know, I got this tattooed on my arm, if you say a tattoo right here says whatever it takes and that's a line from Avengers and game, whatever it takes to get it done, whatever it takes, make it happen. And that's that's right there, Sam, with this one, like it's like I, I don't set limitations for myself and I will fail constantly, but it's, you know, getting hit, getting back up and keep going and trying again. And what's the definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Right. So when something's not working, you got to create a new path or try something else. And that's what they did. So to fail as much as I did trying to get that job with Marvel and Disney, those opportunities didn't work out. Brad: I went out, did my own thing, created my own path and ended up working on Avengers and being part of that marketing campaign. And then I followed that up with working on Spider-Man Far From Home with Sony Pictures. And I grew up with Spider-Man. So that was an unbelievable experience for me. So once again, like chasing your passions, adding whatever value you can around those passions and staying consistent and persistent with that approach. And that was my goal, like Disney, Sony, Universal. What value can I bring to your campaign to make it the best campaign ever? Like and that's how I looked at things. I look at things from a broad standpoint of, OK, there's an opportunity here. I'm going to try to fill that hole with Zouliou. You know, but a lot of people are like, I need you to tell me. What you need to do, as I know you've got to be scrappy and self starting in that regard where it's like. I followed this artist for so long, I know I knew what he was capable of, I knew he had a huge following. So working with WB, I knew I paid creative agencies a lot of money to create assets for campaigns and then they would deliver the assets and that would be it. So I was like, why not pay an artist who has almost a million followers? To do art with a demographic that's your target market, right, so the value there was way more than what it would be with a creative agency. Brad: The value was the creative agency doesn't have a million followers that they'll post and push it out. So not that Disney needs the extra million followers, but if you're going to pay for it either way, why not be smart about it and get the most bang for your buck? And that was the approach I brought creatives influencers talent to the table who could add a unique twist to these campaigns where, you know, working on them as much as I did for two years would be a lot of the content looks the same, the same countdown images, Meems, quote, images, static images, trailers, same thing. So what can we do to make it different? That's how you make it different. So it's finding those opportunities and trying to be self starting in a way of I recognize talent. I'm going to go out and get that talent and do whatever I can to help that person. So win win. Right. And that's, you know, I'm going to bring value, you're going to bring your talents and we're going to win together, that's it. You know, and that. It's that simple, but a lot of people once again, they want all the light, they want all the credit, and those are people that are really shooting themselves in the foot because at the end of the day, that's where ego comes in. And once you get sucked into that big fat ego, you're done. Joe: Yeah, again, on that that call that we did or that video that you were on, I was like, how is this guy so humble and down to earth? And it was a total attraction to me because I mean it from my heart. I grew up just a couple hours north of New York City, and I spent a good 12 years there as a musician. And I've been to L.A. doing auditions where I was the guy from out of town. And I've seen the egos on both sides of the coast and I get it. And for you to to be the way you are and be in this business for as long as you have been and still you are who you are, that's that's a you know, you should pat yourself on the back for that because that's a big thing. So. Brad: Well, I a big thing is, you know, your reputation is everything. So when you let ego come into play. You're really once again shooting yourself in the foot and your reputation will take a massive hit because of it, because at the end of the day, man like especially in a business like this, like nobody cares, like they want whatever it is done, they don't care how it gets done, just get it done. You're not as important as you think you are. That's just the way it is. So, like, why have an ego? And plus, I'm not where I want to be. You know, there's a million people better than me. Like, that's just around. I'm 32 years old. You know, how can I possibly have an ego when there's a guy like Elon Musk walking around? Right now, I'm serious, Joe: I know. Brad: I'm serious. It's like, you know, how can I have an ego when you know a guy like Gary Vaynerchuk taken over the world? You know, like but Gary is a friend, you know, so like, where's the ego come into play? To me, it's like I have so much more room for growth and learning and just continuing to grow in that regard where it's like, how could I possibly have an ego? But I also don't want the people who I'm friends with in sixth grade to be like, wow, you really turned into a jackass. I don't want that, you know? But, you know, the guy who is on the growth now said the call was my best friend in elementary school and middle school. He was in that room. And I hit him up afterwards and thanked him for I didn't know he's going to be there, but he was there and he he thanked me profusely for acknowledging his existence in the room. And he was like, you're a good dude. My best friend from elementary school and middle school Joe: It's crazy. Brad: Just said I was a good dude after all the time had passed all the experiences I've had, but I'm not perfect. You know, I make mistakes, but it's never done in a I'm better than you, you know, way. I just I don't believe in that. We may have a bad exchange. You may catch me on a rough day. We're human, but there's a difference between. A mistake and an exchange and just being a pompous ass, right? Huge difference. And there's if you look hard enough, you'll see the difference. But I try so hard to make sure every interaction that I have is a good one. And it's not just about. I got to make myself look so cool in this chat. It's like I want Joe to really enjoy this conversation and have good things to say about me, hopefully on the end. That's my goal. But if I'm here like Joe, you are a worthless dude. Like, I mean, come on. Like, it's just like Joe, you wouldn't understand. I'm in the big leagues, Joe: Right, Brad: Bro. Joe: You're right. Brad: It's just I don't it drives me crazy because I've experienced it so much with with egos on the people that I've interacted with. And it's such a turnoff where you're just like you won't even look at me in the face or you won't talk to me enough to talk to me through somebody else. I just like I don't care. I don't care who you are. I don't want to deal with that. I'm a human just like you. You're in a high profile position. That's the only difference. That's it. So, yeah, I mean, there's nothing to have an ego about. Like I'm nowhere where I want to be. Yet I've done a lot of great things I'm grateful for and and I'm continuing to build in that regard. But yeah, there's there's absolutely if you're making others feel little. Unless then you're a pretty shitty person and I don't ever want to be a person that makes somebody else feel less than ever. Joe: Well, like I said, I could tell it's just so natural for you and I'm thrilled to be here with you. So I again, I'm going to drag you back to my school. So forgive me, but I want to understand what the pivot was from you starting out with sports, which seemed like a natural thing for you to do because it's such a heavy sports town. But you so you did this, but you also mentioned that you've worked in a movie theater. So was your first love, the whole movie thing. But sports, how did you transition and are you still involved in sports? Brad: Yes, I'm so very involved with with my guys specifically on the Steelers and the Penguins, I want to I want to be a person of value to those guys, whether it's personally, professionally, whatever they need. Like I said, hey, move my car. Hey, you know, how do I get this done? Help with an endorsement deal, whatever it is. So I I'm very much still involved with sports. I love sports, but I'm a two sided coin, right. When one side sports, you have those entertainment. So I dabbled in sports initially. That was my my first thing. And I got to the point where I was like, man, I'm like 24, 25 if I don't pursue this other thing. I might miss my window, and that's when I. Had the opportunity to move out here and work with Downey and his team, and that's where I went heavy into entertainment. So but what's great about entertainment is like you could very well pull sports into it, like sports is under the entertainment umbrella. So I don't really look at them separate. Obviously, I started in sports initially, but, you know, once you're in entertainment, fashion, gaming, TV, film, music, sports, I mean, my goodness, you could everything falls under that. Brad: So it's that's what's exciting to me is when I was, you know, in a smaller town like Charlotte, I knew a lot of people. And then when I went to Pittsburgh, I really. Built a lot of crazy relationships, and once again, this is not networking, I want to be very clear, it's actually building genuine relationships with people, whether they're not famous or famous, like it's it's the same. It's consistent, but it was more of like, how can I build how quickly can I build in a bigger city like Pittsburgh? Right. And eight months I i from the top of the Steelers organization to the to heavy hitters and the Penguins organization to, you know, Lynn Swann like huge, huge names. And we're talking like personal relationships with these people. And that showed me, like, if I ever go to a big city and live in New York or L.A., I could really get stuff done. So when I came out to L.A., that was that was my goal. What can I accomplish in L.A.? Who can I get connected to and build relationships with and what could we accomplish together? Right. And I moved out to L.A. and started with Robert Downey Jr. and Joe: So, Brad: Then from there. Joe: Yeah, so before we go there, because I want to ask how that happened, and I think it's it's driving my mind crazy because I want to know how someone gets their first gig out there in a sense. And I'm not sure if that's true, but if that is true, then I really that's incredible. But with the sports figures in Pittsburgh, when somebody hears you tell this story, it's like, well, what does that mean? Ditcher, did someone in your family know somebody and allowed you to stand on the sideline what they were like? How do you get in front of these people? What's what's the connection that you used to kind of stack on all these people Brad: Yeah, Joe: That you would meet? I mean. Brad: Well, stacking on is a good way to put it, because at the end of the day, we are our own brand right now from me, starting at 16, 17, 18 years old and working with professional athletes and the Steelers. I've been around that organization since like 2005, 2006. Consistently, it's twenty twenty one, so that's a long time being around the team, the players, the ownership, the coach like. Joe: But how how did you do that, like what Brad: Well, it Joe: Does that mean, because I am Brad: Once Joe: In Brad: Yeah, Joe: Love, I have never seen it. So I go to the Cardinals games, Brad: Once Joe: But. Brad: You get once you get connected to one and back when I got connected, it was I literally was able to connect through the phone book like it was that kind of scrappy thinking that I was able to at the time. Phone books were still a thing and one thing led to another, got connected to somebody else and that was it. But, you know, now it's Deanne's or introductions through contacts, but you have to be able to introduce yourself and a wow manner. Right. So I've been building my brand since 16, 17, 18 years old. So when I run into someone or I'm at an event or I'm at training camp and I have the opportunity to say hello, I'm not saying, hey, can I have your autograph Joe: Right. Brad: Or hey, can I have a picture I can't write? Brad Lambert, you know, I've been around the team since 2005. I would love to connect any way I can help. Let me know. I mean, what more could you ask for that? That's an elevator pitch. Home, right? Right. So that was how I handled it, and it was like, yeah, I'm friends with Willie Parker, I know Hines and all the guys, you know, and, oh, OK. You know, once you have that credibility where you can attach your name to somebody else in a way that I'm friends with so-and-so, that wall of defense goes down. Goes away. Immediate because a lot of people are like, who are you and why are you talking to me when you say something like that? That wall comes down now like, oh, what's up? You're just a normal person. You're not a crazy fan. Right. And that is how you separate yourself by not acting like crazy fan. And the best example I could give is I went to training camp a lot back in the day and I used to bring a bunch of my friends. We would go and we would be on the field because of my relationships, be on the field during practice, which is amazing. And then after practice, everyone would scatter and get as many photos and as many autographs and we'd all come back like half hour later when everybody left. And would you get what you get? How'd you get that? And everyone would be like, Oh, I got so-and-so this, not this and that. And then Bobby Brown, would you get I was like at zero. No, like you had 30 to 40 minutes to get as many photos and autographs as possible on the field with all these guys. And you got zero. I was like, yeah, but I got seven phone numbers. And they're like, oh, Joe: Yeah. Brad: That's how different we were wired, right priorities, man, like I'll get autographs and photos later when I'm hanging out with them at their house. I don't care about that. Like, I want to build a genuine relationship. And you're not going to do that when you start by asking for photos or autographs. It's just not going to happen. So like Downey, for instance, I've known him for six years. But I didn't get my first picture with Downey until like 20, 19 Christmas right before the pandemic, I was at his Christmas party and it was like a five year. Window was like, it's been five years, like, can I get a photo? I would love to just close that Joe: Right. Brad: That loop. And and he was like, get over here, man. Of course, like that. Don't be ridiculous, you know? But once again, if I the first time I saw him, I ran up and was like, can we get a selfie like that? That's so annoying. The first time I saw him, I walked up to him and I introduced myself and I said, thank you for the opportunity. I look forward to working with you. You know, but Joe: Yeah, Brad: That's Joe: Yea. Brad: That's the difference. Joe: And you're very wise for your years of being, because I I was that person because I was so starstruck as like I wanted to be this touring drummer, that was my goal. I went to music school, which that's another question I'd have to ask, but I can't forget that. I have to make sure we talk about that quickly. But so anytime I went to see someone, I don't think I was obnoxious, but I was definitely starstruck. And it was it wasn't I never was thinking of, hey, I know you're in town. If there's anything I can do for you while here, let me know. Like, if I just said that whatever and walked away, that would have been. But instead, I know that I gushed and Brad: It's Joe: So Brad: Normal. Joe: And so I wasn't wired like you. But my it's changed for me a lot. So even where I am now, now it's just like, listen, I'm just trying to do good in the world and the people that can see that through me. Great. And so things have really changed in the last, I would say, a couple of months for me just because I changed my mindset. And it's a shame it took me this long to figure it out, but at least I figured it out before it's too late. So. Brad: Everybody has their own their Joe: Yeah, Brad: Own time and Joe: Yeah. Brad: Their own their own path, their own way of living. I mean, it's not a competition. I mean, I you know, my way of thinking wasn't always right, you know? I mean, it's just the reality of it. I missed out on a lot because of the way I was. I've been wired and I wouldn't change it. But it's not all rainbows and unicorns, you know what I mean? It's it's just it's tough, you know? So it's I don't want you to or anybody, for that matter to think, oh, I don't think like Brad, I failed, you know, or I waited till I was fifty nine years old to get this. It's like it's not a competition like, you know, so I don't I don't subscribe to that kind of stuff. But yeah, I mean it was the relationships are what matter. And when you deal with high level people, they don't really have genuine relationships. Because they're high level people, a lot of people want stuff, so when you come at it almost obnoxiously like, what can I do for you? How can I help? They're like, wow, this is refreshing. You know, how are you? Like, how are you? Like, who's asking then that, you know? But that's the difference, you know? And that's at the end of the day, these are normal people and they just want to feel normal sometimes. Brad: And that's what I try to give. You know, it's like let's go back to the house and play that. And till our eyes bleed, like, that's that's the kind of like normalcy I want. These guys, most of them are young man, like twenty, twenty one years old. I'm the old man now at thirty two when I was 17, 18 when I first met these guys. Now I'm the old guy so like you know, but that, that trust that I have and you know, just try to help and give them opportunities and keep them away from certain things early in their career. You know, some of them don't want to hear it. And I've lost relationships because I've been brutally honest from a professional standpoint of like, yo, this is not this is not a good move for your brand and your business moving forward. And some of them like see you later. OK, but at the end of the day, it was all love. You know, I didn't get anything out of it. So it's it's been honest and transparent and truly having their best interests in mind. And just anybody I work with, I try to have really, you know, care and show that I care. Brad: But the one thing, too is, is empathy is so important. A lot of people aren't empathetic enough. They don't look at people and read that they're sad or they're stressed or they're anxious or whatever and then react accordingly. They only care about themselves and what they want out of a situation, and that's it. But you have to acknowledge these things and you have to care about how other people are feeling, because if you can identify. Oh, wow, look at look at, you know, Joe, he looks like a little down today. I'm going to hit him up, you know, makes a difference. I've had people on Twitter just. Oh, my life sucks, I'm having a horrible day, getting out of bed is hard. I call him. How are you? Talk to me. I'm here. I send my message, hey, sound good vibes. I'm here if you need to talk. You're not alone, your loved. Whatever everybody's going through, man. But if you just say about yourself, you know, and one person that I did do that to recently hit me up like that meant a lot to me. Because I was struggling. And that little text that you sent me a text, Joe, you know how long it took me? Joe: Right, right. I Brad: But Joe: Think Brad: Once Joe: You Brad: Again. Joe: Brought that up on the call on Brad: Yeah, Joe: The summit. Yeah. Brad: But that's that's a difference, it's like a lot of people think they're too important or too busy, too arrogant, too ignorant to do these little simple things, or in reality, if everyone did a little extra, the simple things that we overlook or don't want to take the time to do the world would be a much kinder, happier place. But that's the issue. And that's like, you know, naive of me to think. But I'm trying to make that the norm. I'm trying to show people that those little things that you do mean something and and it matters, especially when everyone's dealing with a global pandemic. So, you know, I think hearing that someone appreciates you or like you reaching out to me after the event like that was awesome. That made my day. Like anybody who wants to hear me speak, I'm like, wow, OK, cool, thanks. You know, so it's but that's it's the little things, you know. And a lot of people don't care to acknowledge those things or give those little things that you do. And I think that's where the problem lies. Joe: Yeah, I agree with you so much. OK, so you get on with college, you what is the catalyst in the plan like what groundwork was laid so that you literally could move to L.A. and hit the ground running? And not only that, but work with somebody like Robert. Brad: From a very young age, I was trying to surround myself with people who I admire and who inspire me. That's like just not because I wanted anything other just to be a part of their lives, like and that's what I constantly did since I was young. And I build genuine relationships because of that. Like, I it's not I need something better. And when I don't get what I need, I'm now like, that's not what we're talking about. People like we're talking like. And her relationship, genuinely, you're not expecting anything if you get something great, hallelujah, good for you. But if you don't get something that doesn't mean you're bailing and you're out of there and you never talk to that person again, that that's not a genuine relationship, that that's what you're doing. Period. So I've constantly tried to surround myself with people who I admire, they could be massive celebrities, they could be professional athletes, it could be someone who works at the grocery store down the street. They're a good person. Or they could be an artist who's just so ridiculously talented. It blows my mind like I don't have ulterior motives. I just want to surround myself with amazing good people, period. So with that mindset, my network is pretty robust and I have some pretty incredible people in my life. And I got connected to someone and he opened the door for me and that that was it. That's how I got to Downey at. Joe: When did you move? What year was that? Brad: A 15, I think, yeah, because I've been in L.A. six years, so it was February Joe: So Brad: 2015. Joe: And when you moved out there, you literally had this gig ready, you hit, you just landed, got an apartment or whatever, and you started working with Robert. Brad: Right away, hyp. Joe: That's incredible. Brad: But that's but that's that's an example of some of the amazing things that can happen when you lead with kindness, you add value, you build genuine relationships, and when all those things add up and it gets to a point where people are like, all right, you've done so much for me, what can I do for you? You know, like it. Unless they're the worst type of person, they're probably going to say that to some extent. Like I said it last night to somebody, somebody has helped me out with a project like what can I do for you? How can I help you? Any phone calls, emails, whatever. I'll do what I can. No promises, but I'll try to help you. It's just human nature, like we all have the ability to help someone, but if you don't ask, right, going Joe: And. Brad: Back to the start of this conversation, you don't ask, you don't get. So that's that's the whole thing where it's like, you know, some people are too afraid to ask. Some people are too in their head about asking. But it's like if you ask them, then they feel more comfortable to be like, you know what, they're really struggling with X, Y, Z. Like that young lady who reached out to me on LinkedIn. Can I talk to you for 15 minutes, please? Who the hell am I? Yeah, of course we did it, you know, and she emailed me in the next morning. It was like I'm so driven and motivated from our conversation of email. Two hundred people today. The good. You've get it. You know, but that's the. I want to have an impact. I want to be a source of positivity and kindness and, you know, people are going to talk crap about you one way or another, but make them look really stupid to talk crap about someone who's doing that kind of stuff. Right. Like, are you seriously having this conversation about that person right now? All the all that they're doing? Really. OK. Good for you, but that's that's the thing, it's everybody's going to have their opinions, they're going to hate, you know, the peanut gallery is very large, but that's the thing. It's like those people are unhappy with themselves, their lives, and they feel better about themselves by talking crap about other people. That's not my thing. I don't do that. I don't care to do that. But those people are broken and hurting in their own rights and they'll do what they do. But you can't let it get to you. You got to keep just doing your thing. But once again, if you're meeting with kindness and value and you're trying to make the world a better place and make somebody's life better, you know, I've got messages like you saved my life. Joe: You just need one of those and then you go. All right. I know what I'm doing. Brad: But that's Joe: I'm doing. Brad: That's my that's like some bigger people would look at this podcast, be like, this isn't Joe Rogan, why am I going to waste my time? It's like if I impact one person, even if it's you, Joe, with this conversation, it was worth my time. Joe: Well, it's so funny because you're probably going to be the only guest in this whole year that I've done this, that I was going to ask, what made you say? Brad: That's it, like I look at this, I try to do as many of these as I can and yeah, I'm busy, whatever, but like once again, what's 15, 30 an hour to to do a podcast that will live forever on the Internet. So I could impact someone ten years from now or I can impact someone today like, like that. That's the once again broader. Mindset, looking at the big picture, because I have people from different continents, like places I've never even heard of who found me on social media, who follow me, and then literally what one guy in particular is his name's Yassir and he listens and watches all my stuff. And then he sends me these beautifully written messages of his thoughts and all of these, like what he got out of it. And I'm just I just sit back every time, like, wow. Like this guy who I've never met before and I'm in a place I've never been to like. We're not connected other than social media. He found me and he's a he appreciates my stuff so much that he takes the time every single time to listen and watch my stuff when it comes out. So he watches and he'll he'll hear me talking about him and stuff. But Joe: It's Brad: That's Joe: Called. Brad: But that's like that's why I do this man. It's just like he's so impacted by what I have to say. And that's a mind blowing thing to say. Like for me, like I'm just trying to be honest and tell my story and hopefully it helps impact somebody else in a positive way. But but when you really get in that group of hearing from people and and you motivated them or you inspired them, like I spoke at Columbia College, Hollywood about a month ago and some of the responses afterwards from the students were like, you gave me the confidence to pursue my dreams. Joe: That's powerful, Brad: Are you kidding Joe: Yeah. Brad: Me? Like like how selfish would I have to be as a human being to not do what I do? If that's the response I'm getting, even if it's one person. Joe: Yeah, it's Brad: How Joe: Incredible. Brad: Idiotically selfish is that, but once again, I'm not here saying, Joe, if you do, you'll be a billionaire. Like I'm not that person and I'm not trying to hawk a class at you or get you to pay like I'm trying to. I'm trying to teach foundational skills that have been completely lost in this generation, completely lost and GenZE. They're even worse, like they have it off worse. So I'm trying to fix this and also instill this into the up and coming generation. I'm even writing a children's book right now to instill these core values at a very young age. So it's I'm trying to trying to get this back into where the world was. You know, it's not such a hateful and nasty place. Like I had someone said to my dad the other day and just say the nastiest shit to me. And I was just like I was like, how am I going to respond to this? And I responded with thank you so much. I appreciate the love and with like a flex emoji. Right. And that person laughed with a bunch of emojis and I haven't heard from them again. So I gave them the attention they were looking for. And I also probably shook them to their core because they wanted a shouting match. And instead I like self-destruct in their brain because I hit them with that. OK, you know, I've had people do that where I hit him with kindness, kill with kindness, kindness to do that, and you do that and they're like, oh my gosh, I love your content. I'm like, well, what happened to Joe: Yeah, Brad: The Joe: Right, Brad: You know, or they follow me right after. Joe: Right. Brad: They follow me right after, like, oh, my gosh, you know, but that's that's like once again, these people are just broken, you know, and they they're hurting. And I feel for them and I hope they can find their happiness in their path. And but it's not by being hateful and nasty to other people. If if you're actively going out of your way to sabotage and bring other people down or make other people feel less than you are broken. And you need to do a lot of soul searching because whatever you're doing is not working, and I promise you, you're not going to get to where you want to go by going down this path, you may feel really powerful and cool about yourself, but at the end of the day, nobody else thinks you're cool and nobody else likes you. That's the reality of Joe: Yeah, Brad: It. Joe: It's just so I want to respect your time, because we're getting close and I literally could go on and I have so much that we never got to, but I want to thank God so much. We didn't get to I want to talk about your book because you mentioned it on the summit. And so is that something different than the children's book or. That is the book. Brad: Now, that's that's the book I'm starting with a children's series partnered with a phenomenal artist in Sweden that I found years ago on social media. Once again, I try to surround myself with people who I admire and who inspire me. I found her work two years ago, and I knew from the onset of finding her, I was like, there's there's something there and I'm going to figure it out. She's just phenomenal. And here we are right now, and she's doing all the illustrations for the book. So it's just one of those things where it's, you know, she'll love, support other people and good things happen. And if they if something doesn't happen, you're still OK because you're connected with that person and you have those conversations and the happiness exchanges, that that's what makes life worth living, you know, and that's a lot of people want the transactional stuff. And yeah, it's great. But at the same time, it's not everything. You know, so many people have the transactions, but they have no soul. So what's what's the point of that? Joe: How much can you share about the book, like whatever Brad: Yeah, Joe: You want? Brad: It's pretty straightforward, I mean, it's a picture book for kids, so it's a very entry level in that regard. I want to kind of put it in the same category as like, you know, a Dr. Seuss reading level. Like, it's very basic. It's not a crime book, but it is very basic in that sense. You know, I'm not a professional writer or anything. So for me to put my words on paper and do this is once again, I'm stepping out of my comfort zone to do this because I feel like I could hopefully potentially impact someone in a positive way. So I've created this little universe with, you know, my my dog is the main character champ, and he's a boxer and he's my my child. I love him to death. So he's he and his friends are going to be teaching is valuable lessons to whoever reads the book and the first books about kindness. So it's going to be champ giving examples of how to be kind. And we're talking basic stuff like helping someone in need, you know, complimenting someone, defending someone in front of a bully. Very basic stuff. No one's asking you to move mountains. Basic stuff. Give someone a gift. Like it's just basic stuff. And that's, I think from that digestible level of those basic tasks at a young age, people will get that compliment. Someone I like your shirt. Oh, thanks. I appreciate that. You know, or. Oh, my my kite is stuck in a tree. I wish someone would help me. Oh, got you on there. You know, but that's the thing man. A lot of people look the other way and that's that's the problem. So if I can you know, the artwork she's doing is so incredible. It's like I compare it to like the likes of Pixar and Disney. Like, she's just so amazing. So the illustrations are going to be out of this world. So as long as I don't screw up the basic story, I think we'll be OK. Joe: And when's it due out? Brad: Man, I'm juggling so many different projects. I'm trying to get it done as soon as possible. You know, she has a lot going on, so we're all kind of just doing the best we can with the time. I'd love to get it out in the next three to six months, but once again, I'm hoping for a series where you'll see all these different characters and multiple books. And it's been cool because I've incorporated my previous pets into dogs that are no longer with us. For me, I have pets of dear friends of mine that are basically family that passed away, that I put in the book out of love and respect for them so they can live forever. So it's just really cool to to have that control, to tell my own story. And everybody plays a role. There's a significance to every character in the book. And I think it'll be fun for people to to enjoy these unique characters and illustrations and really bring them to life. And that's I can't credit her enough for names in the arts on Instagram. She's phenomenal. Brad: Her real name is Hedvig and she's in Sweden and she's amazing. So any updates I get from her always puts a smile on my face because she's just talented. And that that's one thing. As a manager, as a producer, I'd like to think I have a good eye for talent, whether it be for sports or music or anything. I just have a good grasp on that because I look at the big picture, whether it's from your brand or your talent in general or in a potential, you're being underutilized or whatever. And she's definitely one that is just so gifted and talented in any way. I can help her grow and win like we're winning together on this book. So it's it's a cool project. I'm excited. And like I said, if one kid reads it. And get something out of it, I've done my job, but it's also cool to to do it for my dog champ and to see him as a cartoon character is is pretty cool. So I'll send you some images offline and you can get a first look. Joe: I would love it. I would love it. All right, cool. So, again, we're right Brad: You Joe: At Brad: Had Joe: The. Brad: You had one question, you said, I can't forget. Joe: I know, but I don't want to keep you because Brad: I'm Joe: It's Brad: Good at Joe: Ok, Brad: It. Joe: So OK, you promise? Brad: Yeah, yeah, I'm good till one Joe: Ok, Brad: One 30. So. Joe: Ok, so I wanted to get to the school thing about you went to college and took the year off, you finish on line. I love Gary Vaynerchuk. I spoke to him once on the phone for like maybe two minutes tops. It was it's a story I'll tell you at another time. But he talks about you have to make that decision. And and if people are listening to this that are younger in high school or college right now, what is your opinion, if you don't mind, on doing what you love and just getting out there and doing it as opposed to going to college? And I know it varies on the circumstance, right. You can't you can't go out and walk into a surgery room and say, OK, I'm here to learn. And certain things have to happen that way. But certain things which I'd like to know what you think about that. Brad: For the parents out there, I would always say, you know, academics are important, I would I would go to college if you can. But I would also say on the flip side, if you're in a situation where you're getting good experience. In the streets and on the ground and real world experience, in my opinion, that's something that is far beyond anything you'll ever learn in school. And I can say that wholeheartedly. My on the ground in the street work that I've done since 16, 17, 18 years old, that's what made me who I am. School had a part of that, obviously. But it's you know, you can't adapt to to situations in a classroom, whereas in the real world, like, things come at you quick and you've got to be able to adapt and react accordingly. And that experience that you challenge yourself at an early age, I mean, there are high school kids where I'm like, get out there. Like, what are you waiting for? Start like now has never been a better time to do your own thing because you have Google, we have YouTube, we have all of social media, you have master class, you have all these tools that you can leverage to do your own thing, whether you're consulting, whether you want to be a music artist. Like there are so many tools that like with our iPhones now shooting for K, you don't even need a crew anymore like it. It literally is so easy to do your own thing. Brad: So now I would say if it makes sense for you and you have support around you financially and good people who are going to help you when you fall, give it a shot. But if you don't. Go to college, do what you need to do, get your degree and move forward, but like some people truly are wired for entrepreneurship. And I was that person and when I put myself in nine to five,