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Well folks, the Pope is dead. Anyway now that that's out of the way, we're gettin deep into the HUGE antitrust cases against Google, Meta, and to a lesser extent Amazon and Apple. These cases are massive, and their rulings could change the internet as we know it. It's fascinating stuff! Give this video a thumbs up if you enjoyed it! And please leave us a comment! It helps us! AUSTIN we added a second night! Get tix here: https://www.showclix.com/event/ben-emil-livehxfv1hb DENVER we are coming for you. Get tix here: https://comedyworks.com/comedians/ben-emil-live Talking all about Kanye, those Aussie twins, Simply Thick John, and more. Sign up and support the show at https://benandemilshow.com
Today's show: Tesla FSD drama, Google's massive $32B cybersecurity bet, and XRP's SEC victory. Jason, Lon, and Alex break down the internet firestorm over Mark Rober's viral Tesla test, why Google's Wiz acquisition could spark a new M&A wave, and what the SEC dropping its case against XRP means for crypto's future.Timestamps:(0:00) Episode Teaser(1:27) Show intro(2:01) Jason's skiing trip and Tesla stock banter(3:00) Criticism of Democratic party's approach(5:44) Discussion of Mark Rober's Tesla and lidar video and autopilot vs FSD(8:00) Mark Rober's response and debate over his relationship with lidar CEO(9:56) Gusto - Get three months free when you run your first payroll at http://gusto.com/twist(11:02) Further criticisms and analysis of Rober's video and audience expectations(19:41) Suggestion for Rober to redo the test and video title accuracy(20:07) Northwest Registered Agent. Form your entire business identity in just 10 clicks and 10 minutes. Get more privacy, more options, and more done—visit northwestregisteredagent.com/twist today!(21:38) Accountability and public reaction to Rober's video(25:00) Potential fallout, personal consequences, and stock impact(29:58) AdQuick - For TWiST listeners - AdQuick is waiving their fee on your first campaign. Visit https://www.adquick.com/twist(31:18) Personal investments and conflicts of interest(33:25) Wiz acquisition and implications for M&A market(37:28) Calculation of returns and LP impact(40:38) Benefits of M&A for society and antitrust concerns(43:27) Examples of market cornering, price gouging, and cloud computing(49:29) XRP and SEC lawsuit update and implications(56:29) Proposed regulations for crypto projects and Trump coin(1:00:21) The need for clear crypto regulations and potential for new projectsSubscribe to the TWiST500 newsletter: https://ticker.thisweekinstartups.comCheck out the TWIST500: https://www.twist500.comSubscribe to This Week in Startups on Apple: https://rb.gy/v19fcpLinks from the show:Mark Rober's Philip Defranco interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1htfqXyX6MFollow Alex:X: https://x.com/alexLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexwilhelmFollow Jason:X: https://twitter.com/JasonLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasoncalacanisThank you to our partners:(9:56) Gusto - Get three months free when you run your first payroll at http://gusto.com/twist(20:07) Northwest Registered Agent. Form your entire business identity in just 10 clicks and 10 minutes. Get more privacy, more options, and more done—visit northwestregisteredagent.com/twist today!(29:58) AdQuick - For TWiST listeners - AdQuick is waiving their fee on your first campaign. Visit https://www.adquick.com/twistGreat TWIST interviews: Will Guidara, Eoghan McCabe, Steve Huffman, Brian Chesky, Bob Moesta, Aaron Levie, Sophia Amoruso, Reid Hoffman, Frank Slootman, Billy McFarlandCheck out Jason's suite of newsletters: https://substack.com/@calacanisFollow TWiST:Twitter: https://twitter.com/TWiStartupsYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/thisweekinInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thisweekinstartupsTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thisweekinstartupsSubstack: https://twistartups.substack.comSubscribe to the Founder University Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@founderuniversity1916
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Let's kick things off with the internet's latest bizarre twist: Donald Trump accepting Taylor Swift's non-existent endorsement for his presidential campaign. Yes, you heard that right. In true Trump fashion, he took to Truth Social to “accept” Swift's endorsement, despite the fact that it never happened. The cherry on top? The images he posted are blatantly AI-generated. I mean, come on, Trump, you really think Swifties are jumping on the MAGA train after an ISIS plot was thwarted at one of her concerts? It's the kind of satire that writes itself, and yet, here we are, living it. Now, this isn't just your run-of-the-mill internet trolling. It's a glimpse into how AI can fuel misinformation at breakneck speed. With the release of Elon Musk's unhinged AI model, the internet is now a playground for deepfakes, and Trump just couldn't resist joining in on the fun. But let's be real, Taylor Swift endorsing Trump? That's as likely as me giving up podcasting to go back to trade school (we'll get to that in a bit). Speaking of satire, let's talk about my latest YouTube commenter who goes by the name FBGM Road Runner 456. This guy decided to grace my channel with his wisdom, telling me to “go to trade school” and calling my pop culture takes irrelevant. Two clown emojis and a poorly thought-out argument later, I found myself in a back-and-forth that could only be described as pure comedy gold. You see, this is what I love about the internet—everyone thinks they're an expert. But what FBGM doesn't know is that I already went to trade school. Graduated in 2010, thank you very much! But instead of working with my hands, I'm out here podcasting from my (fake) penthouse, living my best life, and getting my student loans forgiven. And no, I'm not lying about the helicopter rides to NYC. If you've got something to say, say it, but just know I'm zooming past you at 5,000 feet. Now, back to the AI chaos. The fact that anyone can create and share these AI-generated images is both hilarious and terrifying. We've got Trump as Uncle Sam, Swifties in MAGA hats, and even Zaddy Trump wielding an AR-15 on a plane (seriously, what are we doing?). The lack of restrictions on these models is a double-edged sword. On one hand, it's a playground for satire and absurdity. On the other, it's a breeding ground for misinformation that could have real-world consequences. But here's the kicker—Trump genuinely seems to believe in the power of these fake endorsements. It's like we've entered a parallel universe where facts are irrelevant, and the only thing that matters is what you can convince people to believe. And while it's easy to laugh at the absurdity of it all, it also serves as a stark reminder of the power and potential danger of AI in shaping public perception. Shifting gears a bit, let's talk about Philip DeFranco. I've been a fan of Phil for over 15 years, but lately, things have taken a turn. The once-vibrant and dynamic show that I grew up watching has transformed into something...well, a bit sad. Phil's moved from a slick studio to what looks like a spare bedroom, and his latest merch drop? Blank t-shirts, folks. BLANK. And he's asking us to tip him on top of it. Phil, what are we doing? It's a stark contrast from the days of SourceFed and the glory of the early 2010s. Now, it seems like the quality has dipped, and the content feels more like a cash grab than the passionate, informative show it once was. And don't get me started on the tipping culture rant. Phil's been railing against the explosion of tipping for years, and yet here he is, asking for tips on his merch site. It's the kind of hypocrisy that makes you question everything. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/what-are-we-doing-pod/support
All podcast links:https://linktr.ee/aguyinhisroomNew a guy in his room #201!This time I talk about upcoming the IDES of MARCHHHH, and then attempt to explain the drama in 'comicsgate' and toxic purity spirals in online communities!!Topics:The ides of march,St Patrick's day,The dude abides the ides (of march),YouTube comment saying to not be gimmicky,Trolling comments vs real ones,Trolling during early internet,Philip DeFranco,Styles of YouTubers,Kentaji Jackson says first amendment hamstrings the government,What's your gimmick for the podcast???Explaining COMICSGATE drama for 3 hours,Ethan van sciver drama with Eric July and yellow flash,Ethan and Jon malin vs Patrick Thomas Parnell,“Dungeoneer-Gate”,‘Kayfabe' and pretending you're joking but you're not,‘Dungeoneer files' and revealing private CG'ers DMS,Purity spirals and cult-like behavior in CG,Infighting in woke-critical communities,The radical center and leslie elliot,TERFs fighting anti woke people,Online communities encourage tribal toxic mobbing,Teaching critical thinking and how to avoid tribalism,People being loyal no matter what#antioch #leslieelliot #solidground #theradicalcenter #comicsgate #evs #ethanvansciver #dungeoneers #cg #drama #trashcast #ericjuly #rippaverse #purityspiral #tribalism #cancelculture #puritytest #cults #philipdefranco #terf #idesofmarch
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Boosie Vs. His Daughter: Boosie is going to war with his baby mama and his daughter since he considers them ungrateful and his daughter has a response. Friendship: Jeff is drunk and things get introspective. Does Jim hate Jeff? Where Do We Go From Here?: TELL MEEEEE! FUCK YOU WATCH THIS!, THE BEAR!, DRAKE!, 21 SAVAGE!, RICH FLEX!, STRAIGHTEST MEN ALIVE!, AUTISM!, MEMORIES!, ABANDONED HOUSE!, OPPS!, OPPY!, BOOSIE!, BEEF!, DAUGHTER!, ARRESTED!, BABY MAMA!, DISS TRACK!, SHOTS FIRED!, MUSIC!, UNGRATEFUL!, CHILD SUPPORT!, BENZ!, SAD!, PETTY!, MY STRUGGLE!, TORIANA HATCH!, 2 LITTLE KIDS FIGHTING!, SANDWICHES!, BRAZILIAN VIDEO GAMES!, FRANCE ON THE MAP!, ACROSS THE OL POND!, TTS!, BRAZIL!, PROSTITUTE!, SON!, FOOTBALL GAMES!, EMBARRASSING THE FAMILY!, MONSTER TRUCK!, BLACK HER EYE!, TUTTI FRUITTI!, BOOSIE!, OFF THE CLIFF!, LIL RICHARD!, SPERM DONOR!, CASH ME OUTSIDE!, THE FUCK!, HOOD RAT!, MOIST CRITICAL!, YOUTUBE FRONT PAGE!, PHILIP DEFRANCO!, ALL APOLOGIES!, NIRVANA!, COREY FELDMAN!, YES DADDY!, FART!, STOP THE SHOW!, FRUSTRATED!, FRIENDS!, STIMMING!, DRAMATIC!, NEEDLING!, INTERNET JEFF!, PAYING ATTENTION JEFF!, WAR MODE!, KRISTIN!, FEED JEFF TO A GATOR!, CALL IN!, REASSURANCE!, GROUP TEXT!, STEPHEN KING!, STAND BY ME!, THE SHINING!, KUBRICK!, MISERY!, DON'T LOOK NOW!, ENDING!, HANG OUT!, BOTTOMS!, GROW!, COW!, SEEDS!, BEANSTALK!, GIANT! You can find the videos from this episode at our Discord RIGHT HERE!
Interviewed the legendary Zaid Tabani! From working with Philip Defranco to the birth Freestyle The News to making the music for EVO tap in here.
Remember that time Steven threatened a customer? Join us as we shed some light on that incident and many others, as we rummage through our treasure trove of stories and experiences. From our party-packed past to our present search for improved health and performance, we navigate through a range of topics in this episode that will surely give you some food for thought.Ever drawn a parallel between 'Black Panther' and 'Lion King'? We do that and more as we discuss the Marvel franchise and the potential changes Tony Stark's decisions could have brought. We also touch upon the intriguing topic of aliens and ponder over the possibility of octopuses being the sole alien life form on Earth. Additionally, we scrutinize the predatory past of fellow podcaster and YouTuber, Adam 22, and the importance of holding individuals accountable for their actions. Join us as we navigate these waters and delve into some serious discussions.Please Like♥️, Share
Click my CoPilot link https://go.mycopilot.com/Philip-DEFRANCO or scan the QR Code to get a 14-day FREE trial with your own personal trainer! Catch up on Sunday's PDS: https://youtu.be/RSFWeVCW6EQ Check out our daily newsletter! http://dailydip.co/pds Follow me on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/phillydefranco/?hl=en – ✩ TODAY'S STORIES ✩ – 0:00 - Jonah Hill's Texts to Ex Sarah Brady Split the Internet 03:08 - Larry Nassar Attacked in Prison 03:51 - Meta's Threads Hits 100 Million Users 05:19 - Chuck Schumer Calls on FDA to Investigate Logan Paul and KSI's Prime Energy 07:06 - Sponsored by CoPilot 08:08 - GOP Sen. Tommy Tuberville Holding Up Military Promotions Over DoD Policy 10:59 - U.S. Destroys Last of Massive Chemical Weapons Stockpile 13:17 - EU Probes Ozempic and Other Drugs After Reports of Unlisted Side Effect —————————— Produced by: Cory Ray Edited by: James Girardier, Julie Goldberg, Maxx Enright, Christian Meeks Art Department: William Crespo Writing/Research: Philip DeFranco, Brian Espinoza, Lili Stenn, Maddie Crichton, Star Pralle, Chris Tolve ———————————— #DeFranco #JonahHill #LoganPaul ————————————
Click my CoPilot link https://go.mycopilot.com/PHILIP-DeFranco or use the QR code on screen to get a FREE TRIAL with your own expert fitness and health coach Catch up on the latest PDS: https://youtu.be/Sxn9_8NOxDc See our bonus morning video: https://youtu.be/7aArbn0qzRI Check out our daily newsletter! http://dailydip.co/pds – ✩ TODAY'S STORIES ✩ – 0:00 - OceanGate Ignored Employees' Sub Safety Concerns for Years 02:22 - Man Convicted for 20-Year Psychic Scam that Defrauded People out of $175 Million 04:13 - Kick Nabs Major Twitch Streamers 06:59 - Sponsored by CoPilot 08:04 - Utah School District Backpedals on Bible Ban 09:37 - Texas State Law to End Local Labor Ordinances Like Mandatory Water Breaks 11:37 - Drone Hits Palestinian Militants as West Bank Violence Surges —————————— Produced by: Cory Ray Edited by: James Girardier, Julie Goldberg, Maxx Enright, Christian Meeks Art Department: William Crespo Writing/Research: Philip DeFranco, Brian Espinoza, Lili Stenn, Maddie Crichton, Star Pralle, Chris Tolve ———————————— #DeFranco #Pokimane #Titanic ————————————
In this Podcast Episode, Mark Bell, Nsima Inyang, and Andrew Zaragoza talk respond to a video from Philip DeFranco on men struggling with body dysmorphia caused by fitness influencers and the fitness community. Watch Philip's video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzGqsCp_SiE&t=189s Time Stamps 00:00 Preview 00:48 Episode Start 01:55 Philip Defranco begins, it's ok to be skinny 02:28 What age when we started “Building Muscle” 04:06 Eating habits of young men 09:46 Men and focus on appearance 13:58 Most men care more about looks than success 19:49 Putting too much stock into influencers 29:20 Philip on mental effects of focusing on the body 30:58 Try something other than LIFTING 34:30 George Foreman Come back 39:16 Strength Dysmorphia? 40:50 Screen time and Muscle Dysmorphia and celebrities/influencers bodies 42:20 Phil's Transformation 42:38 Mark's wife Loves Henry Cavill 45:16 Media is also causing Muscle Dysmorphia and protein shakes are dangerous? 49:18 We're in the age of comparison 51:31 Should you unfollow people to guard your mind? 54:38 Episode End New Power Project Website: https://powerproject.live Join The Power Project Discord: https://discord.gg/yYzthQX5qN Subscribe to the new Power Project Clips Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UC5Df31rlDXm0EJAcKsq1SUw Special perks for our listeners below! ➢ https://withinyoubrand.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save 15% off supplements! ➢ https://markbellslingshot.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save 15% off all gear and apparel! ➢ https://mindbullet.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save 15% off Mind Bullet! ➢ https://goodlifeproteins.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save up to 25% off your Build a Box ➢ Better Fed Beef: https://betterfedbeef.com/pages/powerproject ➢ https://hostagetape.com/powerproject Free shipping and free bedside tin! ➢ https://thecoldplunge.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save $150!! ➢ Enlarging Pumps (This really works): https://bit.ly/powerproject1 Pumps explained: https://youtu.be/qPG9JXjlhpM ➢ https://www.vivobarefoot.com/us/powerproject to save 15% off Vivo Barefoot shoes! ➢ https://vuoriclothing.com/powerproject to automatically save 20% off your first order at Vuori! ➢ https://www.eightsleep.com/powerproject to automatically save $150 off the Pod Pro at 8 Sleep! ➢ https://marekhealth.com Use code POWERPROJECT10 for 10% off ALL LABS at Marek Health! Also check out the Power Project Panel: https://marekhealth.com/powerproject Use code POWERPROJECT for $101 off! ➢ Piedmontese Beef: https://www.piedmontese.com/ Use Code POWER at checkout for 25% off your order plus FREE 2-Day Shipping on orders of $150 Follow Mark Bell's Power Project Podcast ➢ https://www.PowerProject.live ➢ https://lnk.to/PowerProjectPodcast ➢ Insta: https://www.instagram.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/markbellspowerproject FOLLOW Mark Bell ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell ➢https://www.tiktok.com/@marksmellybell ➢ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarkBellSuperTraining ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/marksmellybell Follow Nsima Inyang ➢ https://www.breakthebar.com/learn-more ➢YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/NsimaInyang ➢Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nsimainyang/?hl=en ➢TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@nsimayinyang?lang=en Follow Andrew Zaragoza on all platforms ➢ https://direct.me/iamandrewz #PowerProject #Podcast #MarkBell #FitnessPodcast #markbellspowerproject
In this Podcast Episode, Mark Bell, Nsima Inyang, and Andrew Zaragoza talk respond to a video from Philip DeFranco on men struggling with body dysmorphia caused by fitness influencers and the fitness community. Watch Philip's video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzGqsCp_SiE&t=189s Time Stamps 00:00 Preview 00:48 Episode Start 01:55 Philip Defranco begins, it's ok to be skinny 02:28 What age when we started “Building Muscle” 04:06 Eating habits of young men 09:46 Men and focus on appearance 13:58 Most men care more about looks than success 19:49 Putting too much stock into influencers 29:20 Philip on mental effects of focusing on the body 30:58 Try something other than LIFTING 34:30 George Foreman Come back 39:16 Strength Dysmorphia? 40:50 Screen time and Muscle Dysmorphia and celebrities/influencers bodies 42:20 Phil's Transformation 42:38 Mark's wife Loves Henry Cavill 45:16 Media is also causing Muscle Dysmorphia and protein shakes are dangerous? 49:18 We're in the age of comparison 51:31 Should you unfollow people to guard your mind? 54:38 Episode End New Power Project Website: https://powerproject.live Join The Power Project Discord: https://discord.gg/yYzthQX5qN Subscribe to the new Power Project Clips Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UC5Df31rlDXm0EJAcKsq1SUw Special perks for our listeners below! ➢ https://withinyoubrand.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save 15% off supplements! ➢ https://mindbullet.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save 15% off Mind Bullet! ➢ https://goodlifeproteins.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save up to 25% off your Build a Box ➢ Better Fed Beef: https://betterfedbeef.com/pages/powerproject ➢ https://hostagetape.com/powerproject Free shipping and free bedside tin! ➢ https://thecoldplunge.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save $150!! ➢ Enlarging Pumps (This really works): https://bit.ly/powerproject1 Pumps explained: https://youtu.be/qPG9JXjlhpM ➢ https://www.vivobarefoot.com/us/powerproject to save 15% off Vivo Barefoot shoes! ➢ https://vuoriclothing.com/powerproject to automatically save 20% off your first order at Vuori! ➢ https://www.eightsleep.com/powerproject to automatically save $150 off the Pod Pro at 8 Sleep! ➢ https://marekhealth.com Use code POWERPROJECT10 for 10% off ALL LABS at Marek Health! Also check out the Power Project Panel: https://marekhealth.com/powerproject Use code POWERPROJECT for $101 off! ➢ Piedmontese Beef: https://www.piedmontese.com/ Use Code POWER at checkout for 25% off your order plus FREE 2-Day Shipping on orders of $150 Follow Mark Bell's Power Project Podcast ➢ https://www.PowerProject.live ➢ https://lnk.to/PowerProjectPodcast ➢ Insta: https://www.instagram.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/markbellspowerproject FOLLOW Mark Bell ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell ➢https://www.tiktok.com/@marksmellybell ➢ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarkBellSuperTraining ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/marksmellybell Follow Nsima Inyang ➢ https://www.breakthebar.com/learn-more ➢YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/NsimaInyang ➢Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nsimainyang/?hl=en ➢TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@nsimayinyang?lang=en Follow Andrew Zaragoza on all platforms ➢ https://direct.me/iamandrewz #PowerProject #Podcast #MarkBell #FitnessPodcast #markbellspowerproject
Click my CoPilot link https://go.mycopilot.com/PHILIP-DEFRANCO to get a FREE TRIAL with your own expert fitness and health coach GO SUBSCRIBE @ https://www.youtube.com/@ZaidTabani?sub_confirmation=1and watch his latest Freestyle the News: https://youtu.be/Fwpt5luG-_s Watch This Morning's Bonus Video: https://youtu.be/RzGqsCp_SiE Catch Up on Monday's Show Here: https://youtu.be/cZvf4lszfR4 – 00:00 - Woman Who Wrote Book About Grief Charged Over Husband's Death 01:48 - Tucker Carlson Announces New Show on Twitter 04:47 - Taylor Swift Not Author of Memoir Her Fans Sent to Best Seller Lists 06:29 - Sponsored by CoPilot 07:20 - George Santos Federally Indicted on 13 Counts 09:45 - Chaos at Border Amid Title 42's Expiration 10:54 - DGA Begins Negotiations Amid Heated Writer's Strike – ✩ TODAY'S STORIES ✩ Woman Who Wrote Book About Grief Charged Over Husband's Death: https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1656370257882148894?s=20 Tucker Carlson Announces New Show on Twitter: https://roguerocket.com/2023/05/10/tucker-carlson-announces-twitter-show/ Taylor Swift Not Author of Memoir Her Fans Sent to Best Seller Lists: https://variety.com/2023/music/news/taylor-swift-book-memoir-rumor-july-false-1235607566/ George Santos Federally Indicted on 13 Counts: https://roguerocket.com/2023/05/10/gop-congressman-george-santos-arrested-for-lies-theft-fraud/ Chaos at Border Amid Title 42's Expiration: https://www.axios.com/2023/05/10/scenes-from-border-chaos-desperation?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top DGA Begins Negotiations Amid Heated Writer's Strike: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/directors-guild-studios-priorities-1235483711/ —————————— Produced by: Cory Ray Edited by: James Girardier, Julie Goldberg, Maxx Enright, Christian Meeks Art Department: William Crespo Writing/Research: Philip DeFranco, Brian Espinoza, Lili Stenn, Maddie Crichton, Star Pralle, Chris Tolve ———————————— #DeFranco #TaylorSwift #GeorgeSantos ————————————
Click my CoPilot link https://go.mycopilot.com/Philip-DeFranco to get a FREE TRIAL with your own expert fitness and health coach https://BeautifulBastard.com BB ‘GOOD VIBES' 50% OFF SALE Catch Up on Monday's Show Here: https://youtu.be/hCzvEB1ijyI Check Out Sunday's Show: https://youtu.be/yjNoGee1igQ – 00:00 - BBC Ends Suspension of Top Sports Host After Staff Mutiny 02:56 - Andrew Tate Denied Bail for Romanian House Arrest 04:00 - Student's Family Sues After Principal Strip Searched Her on Suspicion of Having a Vape 05:14 - SVB and Other Banks Bounce Back 07:03 - Rite Aid Targeted by Justice Department for Filling Unlawful Prescriptions 08:19 - Business News Round-Up 10:00 - Sponsored by CoPilot 11:05 - Biden Approves Controversial Oil Project in Alaska 13:22 - South Carolina Republicans Propose Bill to Punish Abortion With Death Penalty 14:28 - Trump Says Jan. 6 Was Pence's Fault Because He Refused to Overturn Election 17:10 - US Is #1 in the Global Weapons Trade 17:59 - Iran Pardons Over 22,000 Protesters – ✩ TODAY'S STORIES ✩ BBC Ends Suspension of Top Sports Host After Staff Mutiny: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/13/world/europe/gary-lineker-bbc-return-motd.html Andrew Tate Denied Bail for Romanian House Arrest: https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/romanian-court-rejects-bail-request-divisive-andrew-tate-97851297 Student's Family Sues After Principal Strip Searched Her on Suspicion of Having a Vape: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/pocharaponneammanee/middle-school-student-sues-school-illegal-strip-search SVB and Other Banks Bounce Back: https://snacks.robinhood.com/newsletters/5AtBujCpd8XgLHLBe7atvu/ Rite Aid Targeted by Justice Department for Filling Unlawful Prescriptions: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rite-aid-justice-department-allegations-opioid-fentanyl-oxycodone-complaint/ Business News Round-Up: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/13/business/prop-22-upheld-california.html https://www.wsj.com/articles/chick-fil-a-wants-to-serve-its-chicken-sandwiches-in-asia-and-europe-2af2eec4 https://apnews.com/article/pfizer-seagen-acquisition-cancer-05b11f085125df5941f64a2ecbb5abba https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/13/mortgage-rates-tumble-in-wake-of-bank-failures.html Biden Approves Controversial Oil Project in Alaska: https://time.com/6262272/biden-willow-alaska-oil-project/ South Carolina Republicans Propose Bill to Punish Abortion With Death Penalty: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/south-carolina-death-penalty-abortion-1234695566/ Trump Says Jan. 6 Was Pence's Fault Because He Refused to Overturn Election: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/13/trump-pence-iowa/ US Is #1 in the Global Weapons Trade: https://www.axios.com/2023/03/14/global-arms-sales-us-dominates-russia Iran Pardons Over 22,000 Protesters: https://apnews.com/article/iran-protests-arrested-pardons-mahsa-amini-ae3c45c6bcc883900ff1b1e83f85df95 —————————— Produced by: Cory Ray Edited by: James Girardier, Julie Goldberg, Maxwell Enright, Christian Meeks Art Department: William Crespo Writing/Research: Philip DeFranco, Brian Espinoza, Lili Stenn, Maddie Crichton, Star Pralle, Chris Tolve ———————————— #DeFranco #AndrewTate #Banks ————————————
Today we process the wild NXIVM interview from Monday and ensuing fallout. Ethan also responds to Philip DeFranco's callout, we dig into some cringey Brent Rivera drama, an interview with Shirtless Eddie, a deep dive into the Nikocado vs Candace Owens beef, and much more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Show Notes: 2022 is done, and it's time to lay everything out on the table. (Yes, even 30th Anniversary Edition!) It's been a year of new hosts, new events, new controversies, but most of all, lots and lots and LOTS of products. It might be fair to say that 2022 has had more Magic: the Gathering than any year in the history of the game. This episode, we join together to go over the highs and lows of the year, giving our opinions on how things have gone and our hopes for what the future may bring. There's a lot to cover so let's jump into the 2022 year in review! (Note: The number we stated for “new commanders printed this year” was incorrect. We said there were 383. The actual number is 362. We inadvertently included "acorn symbol" non-legal legends in our original count.) -------- Support the show and become a Patron! Be a part of our community, receive awesome rewards, and more! https://www.patreon.com/commandzone -------- BETTERHELP: This podcast is sponsored by BetterHelp! Join over 1 million people who have taken charge of their mental health. Get 10% off your first month by visiting: https://www.BetterHelp.com/CommandZone FACTOR: Eat clean 24/7 with fresh prepared meals from Factor! Head to https://go.factor75.com/command60 and use code command60 to get 60% off your first box. -------- CARD KINGDOM: The Command Zone is sponsored by Card Kingdom! If you want to receive your cards the fastest and experience the best customer service, make sure to order your Magic cards, accessories and more at Card Kingdom: http://www.cardkingdom.com/command -------- Relevant Links: Gavin Verhey Twitter:@GavinVerhey Instagram: @gavinverhey Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@GoodMorningMagic Mark Rosewater Twitter:@Maro254 Instagram: @mtgmaro The Best of the Year - How did Magic Do in 2019? | The Command Zone #302 https://youtu.be/RctPsvWPEpE Everything Everywhere All at Once: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6710474/ The Best (and Worst) of 2021 | The Command Zone #438 https://youtu.be/l92Wd4Qb8m0 Game Knights Playlist (EP. 34, EP. 44, EP. 50) https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyLzs6vB3Xk75kjIm45DQLrR8oT63_OvD Saffron Olive Twitter: @SaffronOlive Instagram: @saffronolivemtg Website: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/ New RC Members Announcement: https://mtgcommander.net/index.php/2022/09/12/announcing-new-rc-members-olivia-gobert-hicks-and-jim-lapage/ Olivia Gobert-Hicks Twitter: @goberthicks Instagram: @goberthicks Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/affinityartifacts Jim Lapage Twitter: @JimTSF @thespikefeeders Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheSpikeFeeders Extra Turns #24 Ft. Olivia Gobert-Hicks & Jim Lapage: https://youtu.be/P7oDhVWKwOQ Wizards 30th Anniversary Edition announcement: https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/celebrate-30-years-magic-gathering-30th-anniversary-edition-2022-10-04 Philip DeFranco talks about Magic 30th Anniversary Edition, the Hasbro Stock drop, and the BofA assessment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvKF58FH2Zw Post Malone Twitter: @PostMalone Instagram: @postmalone TCGPlayer acquires CFB before being acquired by Ebay: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/tcgplayer-to-acquire-channelfireball-and-binderpos-301583431.html MTG Universes Beyond LOTR and Dr. Who: https://articles.starcitygames.com/magic-the-gathering/universes-beyond-brings-lord-of-the-rings-warhammer-and-doctor-who-to-mtg/ Magic 30 Cosplay Contest Prize: https://articles.starcitygames.com/magic-the-gathering/wotc-revamps-prizes-for-magic-30-cosplay-contest-after-community-outrage/ Magic 30 Cosplay Contest Winner: Twitter: @DarkPactCosplay Instagram: @darkpactcosplay -------- Follow us on Instagram: @CommandCast Follow us on Twitter: @CommandCast @JoshLeeKwai @jfwong @wachelreeks Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/commandcast/ Email us: commandzonecast@gmail.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Kanye West is facing action from Meta and Twitter after sharing what some have deemed as anti-Semitic posts. Instagram restricted the Grammy Award winner's account and deleted content from his page after he violated the social media platform's rules and guidelines, according to NBC News and CNN, although a Meta spokesperson did not confirm to either outlet what content violated their rules. In a now-deleted post from Friday, West shared a screenshot of a text exchange between himself and Diddy, in which allegedly appeared to show West claiming that Combs was controlled by Jewish people. "Jesus is Jew," he wrote in the caption, reported NBC News. The Golden State Warriors are taking "every legal course of action" to discover how video of Draymond Green punching Jordan Poole during a scuffle at practice Wednesday was made public, sources told ESPN. Green apologized to the team and to Poole on Thursday, before Warriors coach Steve Kerr, general manager Bob Myers and teammate Stephen Curry addressed the media regarding the incident. During a recent appearance on Philip DeFranco's YouTube show, Logan Paul accused Bad Bunny of evading taking advantage of Puerto Rican tax laws. Paul, who also owns property in Puerto Rico, referenced the documentary Bunny released alongside his “El Apagón” music video, which features journalist Bianca Graulau covering the gentrification of Puerto Rico. “Bad Bunny is a Puerto Rican living in Puerto Rico who is privately taking advantage of the same tax program that he is publicly condemning,” Paul said. “I know this and I see things like this and it hurts. There are local Puerto Ricans who know about this. I see this music video that has stuck me in the middle of it surround by context that makes me look like a vulture in Puerto Rico. While I love Bad Bunny, I cannot personally support the hypocritical nature of his exploitation.” That's NOT Christian is a podcast by four urban believers who discuss current events and push the envelope on traditional religious subjects with a touch of humor. Prime Exclusive: Get 1 Year of GrubHub+ For Free (Regularly $120) https://amzn.to/3yKsCow Join this channel to get access to perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK28... ►Merch Store: https://thatsnotchristian.com ►Donate: https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/thats... ►Listen to That's NOT Christian Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3tGrB3G... Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... ► Telegram: https://t.me/thatsnotchristian ► Music by Ryan Little SPOTIFY: https://spoti.fi/2MmjRru ►Follow the Squad ANT: https://www.instagram.com/aptop25/ JAY: https://www.instagram.com/jayacosta/ JIMMY: https://www.instagram.com/jaeisla/ SWITCH: https://www.instagram.com/switch_in_h... ►Podcast Equipment Canon M50: https://amzn.to/2NP7s3G Logitech C920: https://amzn.to/36odZJ9 Samson Q2U: https://amzn.to/3tcv2aW Ring Light: https://amzn.to/3tbxApJ Light Stand: https://amzn.to/2NKbg69 Smart Lights: https://amzn.to/3aeU5kW Gaming Chair: https://amzn.to/36nnFn0 DISCLAIMER: This video and description may contain affiliate links which allow us to receive a small commission when you click on a product links. This helps support the podcast and allows us to continue to make videos like this. Thank you for the support! #thatsnotchristian #kanye #draymondgreen --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thatsnotchristian/message
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Hey Identifier, #coryxkenshin #youtube #racist https://kotaku.com/black-youtuber-coryxkenshin-horror-game-markiplier-1849463114 YouTube's Trending page is typically full of easy-going content like music videos, comedy sketches, and game trailers, along with popular creators like Mr. Beast and SSSniperWolf. However, on August 24, the number-one trending video was a callout against the platform itself, with accusations of racism or favoritism levied at Google's video-sharing service. The commotion was all over the platform's treatment of a gameplay video. The explosive claims have led other top creators, from moistcr1tikal to Philip DeFranco, to debate just how unevenly YouTube's content moderation team enforces its policies. Cory “CoryxKenshin” Williams is a Black YouTuber and internet personality with over 14 million subscribers, best known for his humorous content. He got his start in 2009 uploading comedy skits before transitioning into making videos on horror games, playing celebrated titles such as Bloodborne and Five Nights at Freddy's. While he takes regular hiatuses from the platform, almost every time he returns to posting content on YouTube, he trends for multiple days in a row because of his infectious personality. I mean, just within the last 30 days, he's accrued some 100 million views. That's pretty dang impressive. Leave us a Voice Mail or Support https://anchor.fm/the-identity-booth/message https://anchor.fm/the-identity-booth/support Sub to the channel here https://www.twitch.tv/theidentitybooth Donate https://streamlabs.com/projecteto/tip The Goal: Try to Identify with you as you try to identify with me. Find Heero here: https://linktr.ee/the_identity_Booth outro Hey Baby (Produced By Melv) Take Care --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/the-identity-booth/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/the-identity-booth/support
Get Virtual Shield: https://virtualshield.com/justice In this video I discuss the misinformation spread by Philip DeFranco recently in the story related to celebrity carbon emissions. I explain where this claim comes from. Why it's being pushed by the left, & how the statistic cited actually shows the exact opposite message DeFranco is trying to spread https://linktr.ee/ActualJustice Instagram NEW: https://www.instagram.com/actualjustice/ Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/actualjusticewarrior Utreon: https://utreon.com/c/ActualJusticeWarrior 2nd Channel: https://www.youtube.com/ajw2dreamscometrue TeeSpring Store: https://teespring.com/stores/actualjusticewarrior Gettr: https://gettr.com/user/iamsean90 Parler: https://parler.com/profile/Actualjusticewarrior/posts https://www.minds.com/actualjusticewarrior Support me on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/SeanFitzgerald Paypal: https://www.paypal.me/Iamsean90 Venmo: https://venmo.com/iamsean90 Support me on Subscribe Star: https://www.subscribestar.com/seanfitzgerald Gab: https://gab.com/Iamsean90 Twitter https://twitter.com/iamsean90 Backup Twitter https://twitter.com/AJWSean Bitchute: https://www.bitchute.com/actualjusticewarrior/ Discord: https://discord.gg/c7PGFFp 3rd: https://www.youtube.com/user/DudeMonkeyHQ Get Storable Food: https://www.preparewithajw.com Get Pocketnet: https://pocketnet.app/actualjusticewarrior?report=following&ref=PST4P2KEweDQJ2RAtG3scUmXAgPJJ5JJRL Podcast Links: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1o0q86AVIzH1ZhCl8pe3du?si=e260b6ab98d64e74 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/actual-justice-warrior/id1637748971 Lauren Chen Video Referenced: https://youtu.be/lUA2HCMOI7Q Sources: Original DeFranco Video: https://youtu.be/9v655F-89g4 100 Companies 71% Debunked: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/jul/22/instagram-posts/no-100-corporations-do-not-produce-70-total-greenh/ France vs Germany: https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2018/09/frances-nuclear-clean-energy-is-over-three-times-faster-and-cheaper-than-germanys-solar-and-wind.html Germany No Emission Reductions: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2017/10/10/why-arent-renewables-decreasing-germanys-carbon-emissions/?sh=24e08f1268e1 Biden Approval vs Gas Prices: https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2021/11/17/do-voters-disapprove-of-biden-or-rising-gas-prices #PhilipDeFranco #DeFrancoLies #Iamsean90 FAIR USE NOTICE This video may contain copyrighted material; the use of which has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available for the purposes of criticism, comment, review and news reporting which constitute the 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. Not withstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work for purposes such as criticism, comment, review and news reporting is not an infringement of copyright.
0:00 - I am getting over baby Yoda. 1:16 - Watching stuff at faster speed. 1:51 - Making content for non-english speakers. 2:32 - My thoughts on cricket. 2:50 - My only interaction with Smallant. 3:49 - Do I get overwhelmed by the fame? 5:38 - How futuristic vehicles effect GTA Online. 6:17 - How the GTA 5 speedrun discord came to be. 7:46 - Music suggestion streams. 8:23 - Being overworked and low energy. 11:48 - Who is DarkViperAU? 14:03 - All speedrunners share an audience. 15:28 - Being impacted by laws in other countries. 21:12 - Is talking about politics harmful to my channel? 23:08 - Discussing cheating in GTA 5? 24:25 - Worst job i have ever had? 25:37 - Do i like Philip Defranco? ✔YouTube Channel - https://www.YouTube.com/DarkViperAU ✔Twitch Channel ~ https://www.twitch.tv/DarkViperAU ✔Merch ~ https://merch.streamelements.com/darkviperau ✔Clips Channel ~ https://www.youtube.com/DarkViperAuClips ✔Twitter ~ https://www.twitter.com/DarkViperAU ✔Patreon ~ https://www.patreon.com/DarkViperAU ✔TikTok ~ https://www.tiktok.com/@darkviperau ✔Instagram ~ https://www.instagram.com/DarkViperAU/ ✔DarkviperAU Subreddit ~ https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkViperAU/ ✔Business Email ~ darkviperau@mgmtexe.com ✔My Discord ~ https://discord.com/invite/DarkViperAU ✔GTA 5 Speedrun Discord ~ https://discord.com/invite/zQt8wZg
Email Us Here: Disturbinglypragmatic@gmail.comWhere To Find Us!: Disturbingly Pragmatic Link Tree!Visit Our Brand New Patreon!This Episode has EVERYTHING!It's got:The Greatest American Hero!Welcome, New Jersey Friends!!Nude Richard Hatch!Trixie Mattel's Assistant, Brandon!Gorgeous Hair!Leonard! It's His Birthday! He's 9!Leonard Puke!Paul Nearly Puked!Cats Like to Puke on Things!Sports Shirt from Philip DeFranco!Paul Knows A Homosexual Amount About Sports!Paul's GAY?!?!Multilingual Cocksucking!Sambuca Throw Up!Amber Heard Shit in the Bed!Burger King Doesn't Know the Mechanics of Gay Sex!Double Ended Dildos!Snakes!Poop Friendly Postmates Menu!"I Invented Post-Its"!Best Foods to Prevent Pooping on His Crotch!Manuela The Tortoise, Now Known as Manuel!Paul, The Science Guy!The January 6th Hearings Begin!Sorry, Dick!Dave's DOJ Prediction!No Changing the Trump Cultists! Get Off Your Asses, Moderates!Thoughts and Prayers, Folks!Jesus, Guns, Babies Candidate Not Giving Up!No 'Ironic Voting' in Georgia!Trump's Mushroom!Childhood Gay Sticker Fetish!Smelly Markers!Repeated Questions!Childhood Masturbation!Trigger Warning Dick Cheese Question!Chonky Hands!Dave Doesn't Know What a Snowball Is!Siri to the Rescue!Beating Blindfolded People!Communal Toilets!Our Patreon! IN CANADIAN FUNDS!Episode Links (In Order):"The Greatest American Hero" Theme!Trixie Mattel's Assistant, Brandon, Does Her Makeup!"Sports!" Shirt from Philip DeFranco!Burger King's Tops and Bottoms Burgers!Postmates 'Bottom-Friendly' Menu!"I Invented Post-Its"!Dr. Evan Goldstein!PNW Haunts & Homicides!Tortoise Lost for 30 Years Makes Surprising Comeback!Difference Between Turtles and Tortoises!Kandiss Taylor Not Giving Up Hope!"Kentucky Fried Movie" Theatre Scene!"Polyester" Odorama!Lisa Frank Stickers!Ronnie Vino - It's Friday Night!MUSIC CREDIT!Opening Music Graciously Supplied By: https://audionautix.com/
Today we take a look at the newly filed defamation lawsuit against Keemstar by friend of the show Def Noodles. We also discuss the latest allegations made against Elon Musk as reported by Insider, we have a call-in with the creator of Dogecoin, Ethan discusses his brewing boxing feud with Philip DeFranco, & more!
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This interview features Sarah Penna, Senior Manager of Creator Launch at Patreon. We discuss how a trip to India inspired her media career, being one of the youngest YouTube MCN founders, her $15 million exit to DreamWorks Animation, how she picks co-founders, marrying a YouTuber-turned Hollywood filmmaker, founding a female-forward entertainment brand, and what's up next for Patreon. Subscribe to our newsletter. We explore the intersection of media, technology, and commerce: sign-up linkLearn more about our market research and executive advisory: RockWater websiteFollow The Come Up on Twitter: @TCUpodEmail us: tcupod@wearerockwater.com---EPISODE TRANSCRIPT: Chris Erwin:Hi, I'm Chris Erwin. Welcome to The Come Up, a podcast that interviews entrepreneurs and leaders. Sarah Penna:We had outgrown the office. We were in the National Lampoon office. It was so janky and eventually we moved the talent team to my dining room table. I would cook dinner for the talent team. We would take talent meetings in my living room, which was just so bizarre and unprofessional but worked. My house was kind of a YouTuber hotel. It was very wholesome and very duct tape and bubble gum feeling. We were just kind of figuring it out. Chris Erwin:This week's episode features Sarah Penna, senior manager of Creator Launch at Patreon. So, Sarah was born in Salt Lake City, Utah. Her father was a serial entrepreneur and her mother ran the family construction business. Sarah's first foray into media began while studying abroad in India, when she became the translator for a documentary film crew. So after college, she moved to California and immersed herself in LA's up-and-coming digital media scene, which included working with OG YouTuber Phil DeFranco. Sarah rapidly became a digital expert and started her own digital talent management company in 2010, which eventually became Big Frame and was sold to AwesomenessTV and its parent, DreamWorks Animation. Chris Erwin:Today, Sarah runs a team that helps Patreon develop and launch premium talent partnerships, and also advises Frolic Media, a female-forward entertainment brand she co-founded in 2018. Some highlights of our chat include how we first met during an awkward interview moment with a guitar, when having 10,000 subs made you a Top 100 YouTuber, how she picks co-founders, what it's like to marry a YouTuber turned Hollywood filmmaker, and what's up next for Patreon. Now, I've known Sarah for nearly 10 years. She was actually my gateway drug into all things digital entertainment and where it not for her founding Big Frame, I would not be where I am today, and I am forever grateful to her, which makes me super pumped to share her story. All right, let's get to it. Sarah, thank you for being on The Come Up podcast. Sarah Penna:Thanks for having me. Chris Erwin:We got a little bit of history here. So, we'll see how much of that we can get through in 90 minutes before your next thing. Sarah Penna:Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot to pack in. Chris Erwin:As always, let's rewind a bit and let's talk about where you grew up. So, my understanding is that you grew up in Salt Lake City, Utah. Your family had some land in Wyoming. I think your dad was a bit of an entrepreneur, but tell us about your upbringing. Sarah Penna:Yeah. I had a pretty cool childhood. I grew up in Utah. My parents were total hippies, just big personalities, did not grow up in the predominant faith of Utah. So, it was a little bit of an outlier, and my parents own a construction company together. So, a little bit of foreshadowing into how I worked with my husband at one point, but I grew up with an older sister and a younger brother. We had a menagerie of animals all the time, like goats, and my dad kept bees at one point. We always had two or three dogs and a bunch of cats and an iguana and chinchillas. We just had this kind of crazy Bohemian, bizarre, Jewish, hippie not Mormon family. Sarah Penna:So, my parents owned this construction company and became relatively successful with that but my dad has curse, as I do, which is, always coming up with new ideas and deciding to act upon them. He had a Japanese restaurant and he had a furniture company and he had an emergency preparedness kit company, and I- Chris Erwin:Would he do all of these at the same time as the construction business or would it be like stops and starts and all of that? Sarah Penna:No. My mom held it down. She really was the mastermind behind the construction company. She did all of the office work and made sure ... she really ran the company and then my dad was kind of the face of it. He was out at the job sites and in the early days, was actually doing the building. So, I got to see my mom be in this, talk about a male-dominated industry. She would come home so mad because she would get a piece of mail that ... her name's Paula and they would always address Paul, because they couldn't believe that a woman was running a construction company. So, I got to see this powerful woman running this super successful business in basically a hundred percent male-dominated industry. Chris Erwin:Sarah, I've known you for over 10 years and we worked together intimately for at least three or four of them. I had no idea about your background. I just learned more about you in two minutes. It took a podcast and a 10-year relationship to get here. Sarah Penna:That's totally my bad. Chris Erwin:All good. So, okay. As a kid, when your father dabbled in all these new business adventures, was that really exciting for you guys? Maybe frustrating for your mother, but as kids you're like, "Oh, dad's up to some cool stuff again." Sarah Penna:Yeah, it was fun. I was 15 when he did the Japanese restaurant and I got to work in the restaurant and just, it was cool, and I didn't realize the stress and the financial burden that it was putting on my mom and kind of how frustrating it was for her but I see that now, looking back, and she handled it amazingly. She's an incredible woman. But I'm a very early riser, and as a kid, I would ... my dad is, too. He would get up at four or five in the morning and I would, too. He would just load me up in his construction truck and we'd go get pancakes and go milk the goats and go check on his construction sites. So, I got to see the inner workings of that. Then, I love going to the office and rifling through my mom's office supplies. Chris Erwin:Well, I got some important Post-it notes here, got a yellow legal pad, all the things. Sarah Penna:It was so fun as a kid. You're like, pens and Post-it notes, and the office supply closet was just like this heaven. Chris Erwin:My dad, he ran a psychology business and still does for 40 years and had his own office, and then every year he hosted a conference. One of my favorite things is that he would hire his children, me and my twin brother, and we'd have to lick 500 envelopes and put stamps on them. But we got to use all of these office gear, we thought it was the coolest thing ever. Then, after a few years, we're like, "I think we're getting sick from all of this stamp-licking." Sarah Penna:Yeah, probably. Chris Erwin:But separate story. Sarah Penna:That's really funny. Chris Erwin:So, a question, watching your father's entrepreneurial endeavors and also your mother, too, running the business, did you feel like, "Hey, when I grew up, I'm going to have my own business too." Sarah Penna:Honestly, no. So, I was an incredibly shy child. I was very quiet. My family likes to joke that they thought I was just going to buy a cabin in the woods and just frolic in daisy fields and that would basically be all I could handle. So, to the shock of everybody, of what I wound up doing with my career, so no, I was very directionless. I went to a very intense high school that was a college prep school. There was a lot of pressure to kind of figure out what you wanted to do. Frankly, I just didn't have any passions. I wasn't thinking, "Oh, I want to take over the family business or I want to be an entrepreneur." I didn't even have that language. Sarah Penna:So, in a way, that was great because what I wound up doing didn't exist when I was little. If I had said, "Oh, I want to be a lawyer or an actress or what ... " something that did exist, I don't know that I would've found the path that I did find. My parents never called themselves entrepreneurs. They were just, this is what we do and this is how we do it. Chris Erwin:Very interesting, Sarah. So, I'm going to put the puzzle pieces together here. Let's talk about another formative event growing up. You had also mentioned that you studied abroad in India, where you actually learned to speak fluent Nepalese. So, tell us about this transformative moment for you. Sarah Penna:Like I said, I was a very shy child. In college, I kind of blossomed, but maybe in the wrong ways. I partied a lot and just, again, was quite directionless. I was a literature major, which is just like the lazy ... No, I love being a literature major, but it is a non-major. It doesn't really set you up for business success. Originally, actually, I was going to travel. I was going to study abroad in Italy and I had this moment where I just looked at myself and said, "You need to push yourself right now. This is a moment." My college had an incredible study abroad program in Nepal. Sarah Penna:Long story short, they couldn't do it in Nepal. There were some civil unrest, so they moved it to India. I went to India and I lived in a place that didn't have running water, and I did my laundry for six months in a river. I got perspective that I never would've had. During that time I met up with a documentary film, I will say, crew in quotes, because it was just two white dudes traveling around not knowing what they were doing. They were in this tiny little village that I was staying. I was living in a monastery and because I spoke the language I could just hang out with the locals. It was very funny to them that this tiny, little white girl spoke fluent Nepalese. Chris Erwin:Did you take Nepalese in advance of going to India at all? Sarah Penna:No. Chris Erwin:So, you just picked it up in country. Sarah Penna:Yeah. Chris Erwin:Wow. Sarah Penna:Writing is very hard, but the language itself is very intuitive once you fit the pieces together. So, I would help them. Tourists would come. I lived in this monastery for a couple of weeks. Tourists would come and I would help them translate and negotiate and all this stuff. So, these guys came, they were filming. I was like, "I'll join up with you guys and translate for you and help you get interviews and that kind of stuff." Because if you speak the language, it just opens more doors. So, I wound up traveling with them, and one of them I wound up dating, but that's for another story. He was going to UCLA. I was graduating. He was going to UCLA grad school. Sarah Penna:I was graduating college and I wound up learning about documentary film and originally thought I wanted to go into documentary filmmaking. So, 2006 is when I was in India. Chris Erwin:Got it. Did you have an interest in media and the arts before you met this documentary film crew/attractive young man that you wanted to date? Sarah Penna:No, and I didn't have any connections and I didn't have any ... but, again, I was kind of, not in a disparaging way, but I was kind of an empty vessel, right? I had no idea what I was going to do and this thing really sparked me. I loved holding the camera. I loved seeing the story come together. I moved to Venice with him, and this is way too long of a story, so I'll just make it really short through a series of very wonderful coincidences, which involved me randomly picking a documentary film at the LA Film Festival and contacting the filmmaker. I got an internship at World of Wonder and that kind of started my trajectory in media. Chris Erwin:This was the first time you dated a documentary filmmaker. I look at this as a warm up for Joe. We'll get into that later. Sarah Penna:I only dated creative people, [inaudible 00:11:39]. Chris Erwin:Another podcast for your wild party days at Pitzer College. All right, so that led to your first work experience at World of Wonder. So, tell us about what that company was doing and what your role was there. Sarah Penna:World of Wonder in 2008 was probably the most amazing place to work, I have to say. It was constantly drag queens coming in the office, and parties. It was just a wild time. They were filming the first season of Million Dollar Listing, which I was an intern on. They were filming the first season of Tori and Dean: Inn Love, the Tori Spelling Show, which I was an assistant on. They were filming Porno Valley. They were filming ... I mean, it was just like a wild, wild time, incredible company. I loved it. I also recognized that reality TV wasn't really for me. While I was working there, I also was making short films and uploading them to these two new websites. One of them was called YouTube and one of them was called Current TV. Sarah Penna:Current TV was Al Gore's network based in San Francisco, where you would upload short documentaries and then the ones that got the most votes, they would ultimately put them onto their TV network. So, I had a couple documentaries get bought and put onto the TV network and ... Chris Erwin:Were you doing this independently or as part of World of Wonder? Sarah Penna:No, no, totally separately. Chris Erwin:Got it. Again, I had no idea that you did this. Sarah Penna:Yeah. Now, we're in 2007, the first documentary that got picked up was about me getting my medical marijuana license. Chris Erwin:Okay. Sarah Penna:It was a very new thing at that time, and so I documented the whole journey of what it was like to get a medical marijuana license and I smoked a joint on-screen. When I got hired there, it would play in the rotation, and one time Al Gore came to visit the office and they had the TVs up in the office playing Current, and my documentary came on with me smoking a joint and meeting Al Gore at the same time. It was very embarrassing. Chris Erwin:I'm famous/I'm super embarrassed. What a mix of emotions. Sarah Penna:Yes. Chris Erwin:So, Sarah, I have to ask, you're working at World of Wonder, you're working on these incredible programs that are probably being sold to network TV, right? Not digital outlets and streamers. What was the catalyst that you're like, "I want to put my content on YouTube and Current TV." How'd that come to be? Sarah Penna:I just felt something more compelling about it. It felt more free. It felt like, somebody like me coming from Utah with literally zero connections could make something and have it be put on TV within a couple of weeks. Then, on YouTube, you couldn't monetize at the time. It was very rudimentary. I don't know, I just fell in love with it. Chris Erwin:YouTube was founded in 2004 and then, was it bought by Google in 2006, if I remember correctly? Sarah Penna:I think that's right. Then, 2007 Time magazine made you, the cover and the Person of the Year was you, and it was a mirror. I was like, that to me was a moment where I said, "Okay, this is really a thing and I want to be involved in it." Chris Erwin:I think you start meeting some pretty important early personalities and movers and shakers within digital video. I think you met one of the founders of what eventually became Maker Studios, I think. Was it Danny Diamond or Danny Zappin? Is that the same person? Sarah Penna:That's the same person. His YouTube name was Danny Diamond. Chris Erwin:Got it. So, how'd you meet Danny? Sarah Penna:So, I was working at this very small web series production company which, yes, that was a thing in 2008. So, I got laid off right from Current because the financial crisis hit. They laid everyone off. They sold the network to Al Jazeera. I moved back to LA. I had been up in San Francisco, moved back to LA, started working at this web series production company, got introduced to Danny through some mutual friends. He said, "Look, I just got some money from YouTube and I'm filming this thing for this new channel that we're starting called The Station. Why don't you just come up and see what it's like?" So, I go up there and unbeknownst to me, it was every big YouTuber at the time. It was ShayCarl, and KassemG, and Shane Dawson, and Danny, and Lisa Nova, and everybody- Chris Erwin:OG names. Sarah Penna:Funnily enough, my future husband was supposed to be there, but I don't remember exactly what happened, but he wasn't there. Chris Erwin:Okay. So, you're doing this. Are you thinking to yourself, "Oh my God, I'm having so much fun. This is a crazy world." You're embarking on a very exciting career adventure. You're seeing this change in the media industry. Did you feel that at the time or was it more of, "This is fun. I'm meeting some cool people. Let's see where it goes." Sarah Penna:It was more the former. I really thought to myself, I want to be involved in this in some way, shape or form. I really don't know what this is. Chris Erwin:Yeah. Sarah Penna:Not to say that I'm a genius, but I just had something in my gut that said, you've got to be involved in this somehow. You have to make this happen. Chris Erwin:That instinct proved to be pretty powerful for you in starting Big Frame, which we'll get to in a little bit. So, you meet Phil DeFranco, a prominent OG YouTuber, and I think you become a producer for him and his team, right? Sarah Penna:Yeah. So, he hires me in November of 2009 and I worked for him. We launched a new channel, which was like a gaming channel for him. I did PR for him. I handled brand deals for him. I edited because I still knew how to edit at the time. A skill I'm very sad that I lost. That was just an amazing experience. He had split from Maker TV at that time and so, we were kind of running our own thing. I think Phil, to this day, is one of the most brilliant, genius content creators that's come out of the YouTube space. He's just continually reinvented himself and not, just kept doing what he did and stayed successful. So, that was a masterclass in how to run a successful YouTube channel. Chris Erwin:Got it. Also, through Phil DeFranco, you actually end up meeting your future husband, Joe. So, he actually showed up on time for production or maybe a first day that you guys had. How'd you first connect with him? Sarah Penna:Before Phil hired me, I got invited to a Halloween party at his house and Joe was there, and I had actually very embarrassingly seen Joe's videos before meeting him. I was producing a short film with a prominent YouTuber at that time named Olga Kay and we were just doing some fun. We actually crowdfunded it. We raised a couple thousand dollars and made this thing called Olga Kay's Circus. We wanted Joe in it because he had a lot of subscribers at the time. He had 10,000 subscribers, so he was in the Top 100 YouTubers. Chris Erwin:Oh, my God. Sarah Penna:Can you believe that 10,000 subscribers would get you there at that time? So, we wanted Joe in it and we wound up meeting at this Halloween party and then Phil connected us and match made us a little bit, and we went on our first date in January of 2010. Chris Erwin:Then, how soon were you married or engaged after that? Sarah Penna:So, we went on our first date in January 2010 and then we got engaged in September of the same year, and then we were married the next year. Chris Erwin:First date with Joe, January 2010. Engaged, September 2010. Married, 2011. Interesting timing because you launched your first company, Cloud Media, I think in 2010, and you're sharing production space with Joe. So, you're tripling down on the digital media space. You're literally married to a creator. You're sharing space together and you're founding your own media company. But tell us about what was the origins of Cloud Media. Sarah Penna:Yeah, so I basically, again, I didn't say, "Oh, I'm going to be an entrepreneur. I'm going to raise money." I didn't have a blueprint for that. I didn't know what I was doing, which I think you'll hear a lot of entrepreneurs say, that's kind of a blessing in a lot of ways. So, I did a very big brand deal for Joe. I was able to negotiate a high six-figure deal for him, and using the percentage that I took as his manager from that, I started what I called the Cloud Media. I bootstrapped that company for a year and a half and just operated it based off of the percentages that I was taking from brand deals that I was doing for influencers and YouTubers, whatever we called them at the time. Sarah Penna:My difference was I would start out by not doing contracts with them. We would just have a understanding, which is very common with management companies. Most managers don't have contracts, right? That's more for agents and Maker and Fullscreen at the time were insisting on contract, and Machinima. I was like, "Hey, you don't have to sign a contract with me. Let me just show you what I can do. This is my fee, and if you like it, then you can officially sign onboard and we can go from there." So, that worked really well for me. So, I started signing. I think by the time that we re-founded the company as Big Frame, I had about 30 clients. Chris Erwin:I remember, that was one of the things that attracted me to Big Frame. This is definitely the reputation in the space, is that you had built, Sarah, one of the most premium networks of YouTube creators that existed. Really high quality YouTubers that worked together, that worked with you, and there was really good camaraderie and trust and rapport amongst everybody, and it felt very special and different. So, it's clear that was based on these initial values of, I'm going to do good work and prove myself to you, and that's how we're going to develop a business relationship. Until I came in and then I was like, "Sarah, we need contracts." Sarah Penna:A big influence on those ... those are, me as a person, my core values. But DeStorm, who was my second client outside of Joe, who I just cold called and was living in New York, he really sort of guided me in how he wanted to be treated, how he felt business should be done. He really helped collaborate with me on some of those foundational core values that we carried throughout the duration of Big Frame really. Chris Erwin:So, speaking of that, you're literally learning from one of your clients. Were there any other mentors in the space as you're figuring ... this is the early days. We still say we're in the Wild West of the creator economy, that was the real Wild West of YouTube. So, probably, very few people to learn from. Did you have anyone that you would call on a regular basis and say, "Hey, let's just share notes." Sarah Penna:No, I didn't. Unfortunately, I think the space became quickly competitive. I would say at the beginning there was a little more collaboration between, let's say, like Danny and George Strompolos and myself. We would go up to YouTube and talk to them together as a group and what our needs were and share creator feedback. I think once money started pouring into the space we got a little more siloed, which is understandable, but no, I didn't. I was really out there in the woods like, "Okay, this is what we're doing now." Not really knowing what that was. Just saying, "Okay, this is how we're doing it. This is how our contracts are going to look." Chris Erwin:How old were you at this point? Sarah Penna:I was 26. Chris Erwin:So young. So, then, I think, well, as part of that dynamic, as the space got more competitive, George is launching Fullscreen, Danny is launching Maker, more venture capitals moving to the space. The Google Original Channels program launches, $200 million dedicated fund to help creators produce higher quality content for YouTube, which will then attract more advertisers and more revenue. So, I think at this point is when you eventually connect with Steve Raymond, the co-founder of Big Frame, which got its origins from Cloud Media, right? Sarah Penna:Exactly, through a mutual friend. I was on the hunt for a CEO. I recognized my limitations. I did want to raise money. I didn't know what that entailed. Frankly, I needed more of a grownup. I think my skillsets were really great on the creator side and the brand deal side but as the industry started growing up, I very quickly recognized I need someone who has a skillset that I just don't have. So, I met Steve and we hit it off, and we had a couple meetings, and he just jumped right on in. We decided to re-found the company. None of us liked the name because people thought it was like cloud computing and, which is fair, and it just made sense to start fresh. It also gave us an opportunity to have contracts with people and just structure it in a way that would allow us to raise money. So, yeah. Chris Erwin:Hey, listeners, this is Chris Erwin, your host of The Come Up. I have a quick ask for you. If you dig what we're putting down, if you like the show, if you like our guests, it would really mean a lot if you can give us a rating wherever you listen to our show. It helps other people discover our work and it also really supports what we do here. All right, that's it, everybody. Let's get back to the interview. I have to ask, I started the advisory firm five years ago that I have now. I started that with a co-founder and then quickly realized, "Hey, I have a certain vision and I'm going to build this in my unique way." So, restarted the advisory firm with me as the solo owner. Chris Erwin:I've realized bringing someone else into the mix that really gets the vision that I feel comfortable sharing this with is difficult for me. I just know my personality, and founder issues are always like the hardest things in any startup. How did you feel in terms of bringing Steve on? Did you feel comfortable? When you met him, you're like, "Hey, this guy gets it. We have shared values and sensibility." Were you able to develop a sense of trust with him pretty quickly or did that take a decent amount of time? Sarah Penna:I trusted him very quickly. Although, I sometimes felt like that scene in The Little Mermaid where she's like, closes her eyes and signs her voice away, I was like, "Am I doing that?" I definitely had that moment where I was like, "Am I letting somebody in I don't ... ?" We had three meetings before. I was like, "Here's a third of my company." We had another co-founder, that's it. We don't need to [inaudible 00:25:56] but basically, here's half of my company. I definitely had people who were like, "Don't think you should have done that." But to me, the value of Steve and the ability ... I did trust him. The main thing for him was, he was very clear that he didn't want to disrupt what I was doing. He was very impressed with the business that I had built on my own and he didn't want me to feel like he was coming in to change that. Sarah Penna:He invested some of his own money and valued the contracts that ... I was like, I don't have that money to invest, but he was like, we should value the money that's in the bank for Cloud Media and the value of the contracts or the agreements that you have with the talent. So, I was like, "Okay, that's really fair." He made it easy. That, for me, was important. I don't like complicated things. I don't like long dragged out negotiations, and I was ready to just get to work. So, he was someone who was like, "I know how to do this. I have the connections. I don't want to disrupt your work." He's a good guy, I could just tell, and we made it work. Chris Erwin:I love that. I know Steve very well. He was my boss for three or four years and learned an incredible amount from him. But I think you're right, Sarah, the thing that stands out about Steve was just a good guy, good moral compass, and he doesn't let great get in the way of good enough. He'll just say, "This is good. This is thoughtful. We've talked this through. Let's move forward." But like you said, he's very fair in how he wanted to value the company. I didn't know that, but it's totally on brand for him. So, curious, I joined in the summer of 2012, I was ... Sarah Penna:Oh, boy, what a summer that was. Chris Erwin:So, I went to business school after being a Wall Street banker for a few years. Then, I was in school in Chicago and I worked while I was there for Pritzker Capital, which was an early investor in the YouTube MCN ecosystem. They had invested in Big Frame. They invested in Awesomeness. We eventually joined forces, and that is how I met Steve first. I was talking to Rishi, Rishi or Matt McCall and they're like, "Yeah, when you fly out to LA for these meetings, we invested in this company called Big Frame. You should check them out." I was like, "I don't even understand this company's business model, but digital video that feels like the future. I'll take a meeting." Chris Erwin:I remember meeting Steve and we had lunch on the Promenade, and then I came in for my first interview. I walked into the office, this is on Sunset Boulevard in the old National Lampoon building. I walked in and I walked into a ... it feels like we were just working out of someone's semi-living/work space. I was like, is this a company? Is this like what West Coast work is like? Because I had grown up working on the East Coast. I walked into the back room and in the back room there's this little circular table. Steve's there. Grant Gibson's there. Jason [Szymanski 00:28:39] is there. Then, you're at your back desk. Chris Erwin:So, you're supposed to be part of this interview, your head's down on your computer. They're like, "Oh, that's Sarah over there." I looked over and I'm like, "Oh, I guess this is what founders do in digital media. They're just heads down in their computers. Maybe I'll eventually talk to her over time." That was my first introduction to Big Frame. So, I just say all of this as I was like, this is like a precursor to just wildness that ensued thereafter. We had just gotten the Google Original Channels funding, raised some venture funding on top of that, and then it was like, build these five different content verticals. I'm curious to hear from you, there are so many memories from back in the day, but as you think about some of the war stories from the trenches, what are some things that stand out? Sarah Penna:Oh, my God. Well, your interview definitely. Also, you failed to mention that we had two absolutely crazy wiener dogs running around the office as well. Yeah. I think we had outgrown the office. We were in the National Lampoon office. It was so janky and we ... eventually, we're on three different floors. We moved sales to an office down Sunset. We were sandwiched between a strip club and a Trader Joe's. Then, Joe and I were renting a house off of Sunset, like walking distance, and eventually, we moved the talent team to my dining room table. Joe at that time was putting two YouTube videos a week out on his MysteryGuitarMan channel, and he would stay up all night and then he would sleep until 2:00 PM and he'd come downstairs. Sarah Penna:It was like, Lisa, Byron, Megan, Rachel were at our dining room table, and Joe was rolling out of bed as one of our talent but also my husband. I would cook dinner for the talent team at my house. We would take talent meetings in my living room, which was just so bizarre and unprofessional, but worked. We would also throw these wild game nights, board game nights, so Settlers of Catan was very popular at that time. We would have 40 YouTubers in our house playing Settlers of Catan with multiple games going on. My house was like a YouTuber hotel. We had a guest bedroom. Jenna Marbles came and stayed. Lena came and stayed with us. DeStorm. It was very wholesome and very duct tape and bubble gum feeling. We were just kind of figuring it out. Chris Erwin:I remember that. I remember Steve explaining, "Oh, we're having a reorg." The reorg was like, "Okay, we're moving the talent team to Sarah's house across the street." Then, production goes upstairs into a semi-new office that we got. For us, at that size, that was like a big deal. Sarah Penna:It was. Yeah. Oh, man, when we moved to our Lindblade offices, was that like heaven on earth to have an actual office, but that was later. Another funny memory I had was when Max first started. He had come from a place where he was doing really, really big deals. I handed him off a brand deal opportunity for $1,500 and he went in the bathroom, which by the way was right next to everybody's desk and splashed cold water on his face. We had moved him from New York to LA and he was just like, "What am I doing?" Ultimately, Max, obviously, was an absolute rockstar and built out that sales team to just be very profitable and doing really well. Sarah Penna:But that first deal was $1,500, and that was just par for the course at that time. It was shocking to people coming from the outside and then once it clicked, it really clicked and you're like, "Okay, I get what we're doing here." But there was just a lot of duct tape and bubble gum. Chris Erwin:I think Max is going to be an interview on this podcast coming up. I have interviewed Dan Levitt. When I think of Dan, we talk about when I first interviewed him and I think he showed up in some shiny suit and Jason Szymanski in the back office is pointing. He's like, "Chris, we're launching a music vertical and we have a new interview candidate coming in." I would just look out the window and I would be like, "These characters." I was like, "I've never worked with any characters like this before." I come from Wall Street, so it's was like everyone's in a suit and tie. I see people coming in shiny suits and I'm just like, "I think this is the new world I'm in. I'm just going to roll with it." Chris Erwin:So, it was such a rollercoaster of fun. So, then exciting things are happening and eventually, we move into this big new office, I think on Lindblade in Culver City. We're closer to Maker. We're closer to Fullscreen. Then, we run a process to sell the company. I'm just curious to hear from you, Sarah. Bringing Steve on was probably like, that was a big decision for you, but then hiring an investment bank that's going to run a sales process, we're going to have new ownership and potential leadership. What was it like for you to make that decision? Sarah Penna:That was really hard. I just wanted to keep the party going. Like many young entrepreneurs, I think I tied my identity completely to this company. And my husband was in the next office, he was a client. We went home, we would talk about brand deals over dinner. My entire identity was Big Frame. All of my friends were in some way, shape or form involved in this company. My family would tease me when I'd go home for Christmas. They're like, "Are all of your friends under contract?" I was like, "Yeah, kind of." Chris Erwin:Maybe a nice way to go through life. Sarah Penna:Yeah. I mean, we know where we stand with each other. No, but I just, I was so immersed that the idea of losing control was hard. I think I also felt my limitations as a founder and that's hard to come up against when you're kind of, I don't want to say that I was arrogant, but I was really confident and I felt really good about how I was running things and running the company. Then, we got to a point where my limitations and our limitations became evident and that's hard. It was hard and it was also exciting because it is, under most circumstances, it's a great thing. I also just had never been through anything like that, so I let a lot of anxiety get to me. Sarah Penna:I let it completely consume me. I'll be totally transparent. I would cry on the bathroom floor, like, what am I doing? There was a lot of doubt. I think that was probably the biggest strain on Steve and I's relationship, is how to go about this and how to present in the room. That was a big source of stress for us. Who's going to present? Is it me? I've been out there kind of the face of the company. I've been doing all the panels, and the VidCons, and the press, and the creator. Or is it Steve, who is the CEO who, frankly, should be doing it? Chris Erwin:That was unclear. We brought in an executive coach to help us figure that out. Sarah Penna:We did. Ultimately, like many of these things, it just came about through relationships and less about going and pitching, and the relationship that I had kind of built and cultivated, and changing landscape. There were a lot of factors, but that was very stressful. Then, in New Year's Eve of 2013, while we were in the middle of this process, I found out I was pregnant. Chris Erwin:Just to pile it on. Sarah Penna:Just for fun. Thought that would be a great thing to add on to the plate at the time. It's so funny because I think back a lot to the moment where I told Steve that I was pregnant, I was hysterical. I couldn't even tell him. I was crying so hard. He was like, in a very nice way, "I don't understand why you're so upset. This is a good thing." I was like, "What?" I thought he was going to be so mad and that this was going to ruin everything. I tell that story only to say, I think that our culture makes young women feel like ... and I had a lot of people tell me, then opened up to me over the years, that they felt like they can't have kids because of ... that moment of, "Oh, my gosh, I have to now disclose this thing." Sarah Penna:Even if it's illegal to not move forward with something because someone's pregnant, you can still find other ways. So, I thought I had completely ruined everything and that was ... I'm very sad about that looking back, but Steve really was like, "This is awesome. I'm so happy for you. Don't even think about it. Nobody's going to bat an eye." That was true. I wound up giving a keynote at VidCon eight months pregnant and we sold the company, but that was very stressful. Also, I couldn't drink. It was a lot. We were celebrating and I was like, "You know what? I'm having a glass of champagne because I'm ... You all have been drinking through this very stressful process and I haven't." Chris Erwin:More like being pregnant was also a launching pad for you to launch the mom's vertical at Awesomeness- Sarah Penna:Yes. Chris Erwin:... which came thereafter but, yeah, just to add some context on some of the notes here. I remember in the MCN days, there was the early Awesomeness launch in 2011 and then it was sold to DreamWorks, I think, in 2012, and everyone got really excited. But then, the YouTube MCN winter hit and there was a lack of capital flowing into the space. People were saying like, "Are these businesses real? Are they viable? Are they just going to get consolidated into traditional media?" It was harder to raise capital, and there was a lot of doubt in the ecosystem. Then, in 2013, I think in the second half of the year, Disney bought Maker for $500 million. Then, we made a decision, we're like, "There's a moment in time here, let's hire an investment banker." Shout out to Brian Stengel. Sarah Penna:Yay, Brian. Chris Erwin:We kicked off a process in the second half of 2013 and sold in April of 2014 to AwesomenessTV. Look, I was very intimately involved in that process with you and Steve. I saw how hard it was on you guys. You guys were just carrying an incredible burden. I think something, too, like a theme of your career, Sarah, where you have this passion for overlooked communities. I think you getting into the digital fears, there's a way to service these new creator voices in an exciting way with new business models and new distribution models. I bet there was some fear of ... A lot of this business was your friends and your friends actually had equity in the company. Chris Erwin:You had given equity out to a lot of creators when you launched Cloud Media and Big Frame. What if all that was going to change with this new ownership? I think that was probably a moment that you were concerned about. I don't know if we'll ever make all these details public, but the sales process, I just remember like one week it would be super exciting. We're flying to New York for this big meeting with a traditional publisher. Conversations are going really well and then they completely flat lined and go nowhere. Then, the next week, it's like really exciting, but eventually got to a great result. Sarah Penna:At three in the morning, while we were all still at the Big Frame offices collapsed on the floor. Yes. Chris Erwin:We end up selling to AwesomenessTV. I think that was a very exciting experience for all of us. I think Awesomeness was, in a way, they were the Goldman Sachs of the YouTuber economy back then. They built an incredible team and network, and I think we all really learned a lot from Brian Robbins and Joe Davola. Just amazing creative visionaries. You also launched a mom's vertical while you're there with Snooki and JWoww, you do the corporate thing for, I think, two to three years then it's okay, what are you going to do next? I think that you start seeing another underserved community, which is the romance community, and you think about launching a company there. So, what's that quick story? Sarah Penna:While I was running the mom's vertical, which as you said, I think my big passion in life is finding underserved communities and overlooked communities and creating content around them. I felt at that time that the content that was out there for moms was just not great and it was a huge market. So, Brian had brought on a woman named Lisa Berger who comes from E! and has had a very long traditional media career. He brought her on to do the Go90 programming and the YouTube programming for the Awestruck, which is the mom's vertical. We hit it off and we have a great time together running this crazy thing, and we wind up optioning a romance novel and turning it into a series for Go90. Sarah Penna:Very, very, very long story short, we crashed Go90 because of how popular it was, despite everyone telling us it wasn't going to work. I'm a huge reader and I love romance. I was looking out at the landscape and saying, "You know what? I think romance is going to have a moment, like what Marvel did for geek culture, where now it's cool to be a geek." I think we're at this point, this is 2017. Trump is in office. Women are pissed off. We're sick of all of the stuff that we're like being disparaged. We're sick of all of the female characters in popular shows being killed off or assaulted or whatever. We just want happily ever afters. Everyone's disparaging this romance community as just sad cat ladies, single cat ladies eating bonbons. Sarah Penna:I was like, "We're going to go prove them wrong. Fuck this." Similar to the early days of YouTube, where I saw these influencers have a chip on their shoulder where, "Oh, you just think I am a single dude making videos in my mom's basement." There was a similar misconception about the romance novel fandom. The romance novel fandom is actually incredibly educated, diverse, not just in who they are, but where they live and their socioeconomic status. They're incredibly feminist and they know that it's fun and cheesy. They know that there's a wink and a nod. We set out to create a space to celebrate that, not make fun of it, not disparage it. Sarah Penna:It's a fascinating culture, a fascinating community. I was not part of it in the sense of participating in the fandom, but I've been a long time romance novel reader and I was in the closet about it because I was embarrassed. So, we banished the term guilty pleasure because we don't want anyone to feel guilty about reading romance. So, we set out and we created a digital platform and a newsletter, and then started optioning novels to turn into movies and TV shows. We got a first look deal with CBS. We have a deal with Audible and we have a deal with iHeartRadio. Our daily podcast is going to launch in February. So, really set out to just create a space where people who actually know and love romance are creating the content. Chris Erwin:I love that, Sarah. It's also very interesting, when you came to me and I was like, "Sarah, what are you thinking about? What's up next?" You told me about the romance community. I did a double take and I paused because I'm like, "Wait, this is such a huge community." I think in traditional media, think of all the rom-com movies, but nothing in digital. I'm like, "Yeah, this is totally overlooked. Why is no one else talking about this? This is huge." I think it's very interesting how you characterize it as ... yeah, often when I say, even to this day, "I'm going to watch a rom-com." I'm embarrassed as just an older male saying that, but why? Why do we say it's a guilty pleasure? Chris Erwin:Why is there any guilt about a really fun love story? When love is one of the number one drivers of happiness and a common theme that all of us talk about around the dinner table and with our friends. Sarah Penna:Why is being a horror fan, seeing people get murdered, why is that not looked down upon, but seeing people be happy is? Very interesting. Chris Erwin:Very interesting points about the romance community. So, you are at Patreon now. Are you still co-running Frolic? What is happening with Frolic Media? Sarah Penna:Yeah. So, Lisa has taken over and is helming Frolic. I continue to be a strategic advisor and obviously, care very deeply about the future of where that company goes, and cheerleading and championing them from the position that I am in now. Chris Erwin:I think it's a very exciting space. We interviewed Naomi Shah, the founder of Meet Cute on this podcast as well, which does these, call it like rom-com microcast. I started listening to those over the past six months and I absolutely love them. Bite-sized nuggets of just rom-com joy in audio form. So, I believe in it. Pay attention to RockWater's 2021 predictions about underserved communities because I think this could be ... potentially, we will publish this likely in the end of January. It could be a good cover note that you're sending to any potential investors or partners for you. Sarah Penna:Absolutely. Thank you. Chris Erwin:Believe in the thesis. Okay. So, before talking about Patreon, I just want to talk about another concurrent journey within your family in the media space, which is your husband, Joe. He's been a creator for over a decade. I think in the past few years, he was digital native on YouTube doing incredible stop motion biography, but always wanted to cross over. I think he's realized some incredible success recently. Why don't you tell us about that? Sarah Penna:Joe is just, I obviously am biased, but he has an incredible creative mind. He's good at everything he does, which is so annoying, but I love him for it. He is good at languages, and art, and music, and math, and all of that really combined and you can see that reflected in the fun, playful nature of MysteryGuitarMan. But like you said, ultimately, he really wanted to direct movies. When he first started down the journey, there was a trend of these influencer-helmed, one to two million dollar movies that would be VOD and make back their money. You'd put the how many subscribers that YouTuber had and how much we were going to sell it for, and set download on iTunes, and that was where his agency and his management team was kind of pushing him to. Sarah Penna:He said, "You know what? That's not really the path that I'm going to take," and wrote a movie called Arctic, which is a mostly silent movie helmed by a 50-something-year old Danish actor named Mads Mikkelsen. So, quite the opposite of an influencer-helmed comedy. Joe willed that movie into existence. There was every hurdle against him. He had to start from the bottom. His YouTube channel didn't help him because he wasn't doing an extension of MysteryGuitarMan. He didn't want to be in front of the camera and he did it, and that movie got into Cannes. We went to Cannes, and it premiered and got a 10-minute standing ovation. Chris Erwin:Whoa, I did not know that. A 10-minute standing ovation at Cannes? Sarah Penna:Yeah. Chris Erwin:Good for you guys. Sarah Penna:So, that was just ... walking that famous red carpet, and for me, it was wonderful because I ... He had finally gotten traditional management. I was no longer managing him. So, I actually got to go to Cannes just as his wife, as his plus one. I was not worrying about logistics and getting him to his interviews on time. I still was but I wasn't [crosstalk 00:47:45]. Chris Erwin:It takes a village to get Joe to an interview on time. Sarah Penna:Truly, especially in a foreign country. That's a whole other story. So, that was just a really incredible moment to see and he, off the heels of that, they announced at Cannes his next movie, which was called Stowaway, which had Anna Kendrick and Toni Collette, and Daniel Dae Kim, and Shamier Anderson in it. It premiered on Netflix last year. Now, he is working on so many new projects and so, hopefully we'll be shooting another one this year. He's loving it. He's very good at it. He has the personality to be a director. Very in control of his set, he's very calm, creative, collaborative and it's just very, very cool to see. You know what? He went through the grieving process of letting go of that YouTube channel and he's out on the other side and making things happen. Chris Erwin:That's awesome. I remember when we heard that news, there was a lot of text threads amongst the Big Frame community. I remember texting with Byron and with Max, and with Steve about, "Look, how awesome is this about Joe? Have you heard?" We know that he'd been working so hard and he was just such an incredible creator from day one. So, we're pumped for him and it feels like this is just the beginning for what he's going to do. Right? Sarah Penna:It really feels like he's on the trajectory, for sure. Chris Erwin:Yeah. So, look, you and Joe, as this media power couple continue to evolve. Speaking of the most recent step in your evolution, as we work to the final segment of this interview, Sarah, you guys moved to Santa Barbara, I think during the COVID pandemic. Then, you recently, someone that we've known mutually for a while, Avi Gandhi, you started talking to him at Patreon and saw an opportunity to join the creator team over there, which is your latest creator adventure. So, tell us about what excited you about moving to Santa Barbara and your new role at Patreon, and what you're doing over there. Sarah Penna:Yeah. So, I wanted to move to Santa Barbara for 10 years and it never was feasible or realistic, and I, like many people during the pandemic, had a very hard year. Living in LA just became very challenging. Jonah, my son, our son is, when the pandemic started was five, and now he's seven. We just felt if we were going to do it, it was now or never because he started having his best friends and it just becomes harder as they get older. So, we just pulled the ripcord and we did it with no plan, no idea if it was going to work out and it has been just an absolute dream come true. We love it up here and was fortunate enough to be able to join this incredible company, Patreon. Sarah Penna:I joined in November and like many things in my career, it just felt so right that I couldn't pass it up. A big driving factor was, obviously, it's very hard to leave my start-up and to leave Frolic. I did it in the best way I could, but for me, going to a place that really shares my values in that creator space, I started seeing the creator economy and the interest in it heating up in a way that I haven't seen in a long time. Similar to when I met Danny all those years ago, and I was like, "I need to be a part of this." I felt that the train was leaving the station without me and I wanted to get back into the creator space. Sarah Penna:I took a lot of time looking at what is the right company for me, for my values, and for what I want to do. Patreon is kind of a unicorn, a unicorn in the sense that it's valued at a unicorn status, but also a unicorn, for me, because it hit this very narrow target of what I was looking for. Chris Erwin:Just remind me, how long has Patreon been around for? Because I remember Patreon, early days of when I started Big Frame in 2012. Is that right? Sarah Penna:Yeah, eight years. Chris Erwin:So, now at Patreon, what team are you running there and what are you focused on for 2022? Sarah Penna:I live on the creator partnerships team and I run a team called Launch. We are responsible for giving creators white glove experience for launching their Patreon pages. We have teams that are going out and sourcing those creators. Once they come to us, they are pretty excited about the platform and we help them figure out what tiers are best for them, what banner image is going to look good, and really help them drive towards their launch date. These are creators that range in all kinds of sizes and all kinds of ... I'm talking to someone who makes leather, like leather wallets and leather goods, and we're talking to big YouTube creators and celebrities, and we're talking to everybody in between. Sarah Penna:It's just a really exciting time to be at a company like Patreon that's been in the creator space for so long, is helmed by a creator, and is going to continue to be a real player in the creator economy as it goes forward. Chris Erwin:It seems that there's incredible traction for your business where I think there was a recent announcement. The team is currently 400, but you're doubling the company to 800 people this year. Is that right? Sarah Penna:Yes, that's what they say. Chris Erwin:Well, look, I think the market tailwinds are definitely behind them. I think, yeah, it's a really exciting evolution. We've written about this extensively at RockWater. YouTube created these new business models for creators, where they can publish content online and then participate in ad revenue through YouTube's AdSense program. Then, the chance to distribute content to other social platforms and participate in ad revenue there and then doing talent deals, brand integrations, and getting paid off platform. Then now, I think there's this incredible movement with all these creators, the audiences that they bring, the fandoms that they generate, the engagement that they generate on these platforms, they're the real moneymakers. Chris Erwin:So, how do you give them more tools though, to also not only build these platform businesses, but their own businesses? So, Patreon doing that, allowing them to have direct relationships with their fans, get access to contact information, monetize in different ways behind a paywall, different types of subscription content, whether it's video or audio, whatever else. I think what you guys are doing is a beautiful thing. We need more companies thinking like you. So, I think that you guys are really well set up for success, and I'm excited, Sarah, for the different communities of creators that you guys can represent, that have a need, that don't have the tools from other platforms that are overlooked right now yet, again, going back to what you do best. Sarah Penna:Thank you. I absolutely agree with all of that. I have said for years, as some people, not many, but a lot of people in the creator space, you need to own your audience. Renting your audience is not sustainable. You need to build community. You need to not just be on a conveyor belt of content, You really need, as a creator in this space, the tools are there for you to build a sustainable business and to not be tied to the whims of platforms and algorithms. There's a big conversation about creator burnout. Patreon is positioned to help creators solve some of these big issues, big and, by the way, nuanced issues. It's not just, oh, these platforms are bad and we are good at all. Sarah Penna:These platforms are great and you need to build up audiences on your podcast and on your social. If you are able to have ... I'm a really big a fan of Seth Godin's 1,000 true fans idea. If you can build out 1,000 true fans who are on your Patreon, you might be covering your rent. You might be covering your rent plus plus, and you might be making a really good living. That's what we want. We want to empower creators and we're really set up to do that. It's just an exciting time to join the company. Chris Erwin:Before we wrap this up with the closing rapid fire round, Sarah, I just got to give you some big kudos here. You legitimately changed my life. I'm trying not to become emotional here. I look back on my past career over the past 10 years and everything that I've done, being able to found RockWater is a function of you, starting Cloud Media and Big Frame, and then taking a chance on me. I had a very different background than someone that you had ever typically hired before. I'm sure that you needed some convincing from the rest of your leadership team. Chris Erwin:But what I have learned with you, the pedigree that I've gained and the experience has not only been so personally transformational, all these new relationships that I've built, women that I've dated and just incredible friendships and all of the above, it's really set up an exciting career for me. Something that I wake up to, excited to do every day. I see a lot of incredible potential going forward. It's a function of you taking a chance on me and getting early into the digital video MCN days. So, I am very, very thankful. I think there's many people that have very similar sentiments to what I just shared. Chris Erwin:So, I'm probably speaking on behalf of many. So, big kudos to you, and particularly to call out, I don't come from a creative background. When I came in and was very systematic and operational, I wanted to scale the business, it took me a while. But seeing how you ran the creative team, how you nurtured the culture, when you brought in Rachel and Megan Corbett, and Lisa Filipelli, and Byron, and people that I spent a lot of time with and really learned an incredible amount from, it really all stems from you. So, Sarah, you have been an incredible person in my life. You did incredible things for all the talent at Big Frame. Chris Erwin:You are now doing the game again, with Frolic and with Patreon, and I wish you the best. As you know, anytime that you need anything, sometimes we don't talk for six months or a year, but when we do, we pick up very, very quickly. I am a massive supporter of everything that you do. So, call me whenever you have a need. Sarah Penna:Thank you. Now I'm crying. Thank you so much, Chris. That means a lot to me. Chris Erwin:Very well-deserved. Okay. So, now, let's move into closing rapid fire. Six questions. The rules are, you can answer in one sentence or in one to two words. Do you understand the rules? Sarah Penna:Yes. Chris Erwin:Okay. Here we go. Proudest life moment? Sarah Penna:Having my son Jonah. Chris Erwin:What do you want to do less of in 2022? Sarah Penna:Less complicated. Chris Erwin:What do you want to do more of? Sarah Penna:More space in my schedule. Chris Erwin:I like that. Advice for media execs going into 2022? Sarah Penna:Don't believe all of the hype and just keep your eye on the ball. Chris Erwin:Any future start-up ambitions, Miss Entrepreneur? Sarah Penna:God, I hope not. No, not as of right now. I am very happy not running a company right now. Chris Erwin:Not necessarily off the table. That's basically what you're saying. Sarah Penna:It's never off the table with me. Chris Erwin:Last one. This is an easy one. How can people get in contact with you? Sarah Penna:Sarah@patreon.com. Chris Erwin:Very easy. All right, Sarah, this was a true delight. Thanks for being on the podcast. Sarah Penna:Thank you so much, Chris. This was so much fun for me, too. Chris Erwin:Wow. That interview with Sarah just flew by. I felt like there were so many more things that we could have discussed. We'll have to do another podcast together. Yeah, I admit I got a little teary-eyed at the end there just going down memory lane with her. She was really formative in my career and, yeah, that really hit me at the end. I was not expecting that. All right. So, a few quick things. Our Livestream Commerce executive dinner is coming up. The date is now March 10th. We are 98% close to confirming that with our sponsor. But if you're interested in attending, shoot us a note. You can reach us at hello@wearerockwater.com. Chris Erwin:Also, we are hiring. We're looking for interns, undergrad and MBA level, and also a full-time analyst. We are growing all things creator economy and we need help. If you're interested, you can apply at jobs@wearerockwater.com. 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Hollywood is out of touch, THIS is why Creators will be SUCCESSFUL l The H+A Podcast 082 Kotaku wrote a petty, angry article about Far Cry 6 because they weren't invited to an insider media event. The actress of Cowboy Bebop insults fans and the remake doesn't look like it's going well. Philip Defranco goes on a twitter tirade. Why is the mainstream media and Hollywood throwing a temper tantrum? Better question, why aren't people falling for the rage bait anymore and what are people interested in? I believe people are tired of the rage and just want some sort of escapism and optimism. And if people were able to grift off the rage bait, imagine how successful you can be when you can now speak to a new desire people want. Weekly Recommendation: DIY Wife https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCADFp3hnB4p1u78_yhqC9nw/featured BUY OUR MERCH! https://www.honeyandabsinthe.com/ 8 Steps To Launch Your Online Store - Free Guide! https://mailchi.mp/72759dbda25f/8-steps-to-launch-your-online-store NEW MASTERS ACADEMY ONLINE ART COURSE FREE 7 DAY TRIAL https://www.nma.art/?ref=63 Get Tubebuddy! https://www.tubebuddy.com/honeyandabsinthe Camera Equipment I Use! https://kit.co/honeyandabsinthe/honey-absinthe-camera-kit FREE AUDIOBOOKS! It helps us out at no cost to you! http://www.audibletrial.com/thehoneyandabsinthepodcast FOLLOW US ON: Instagram https://www.instagram.com/honeyandabsinthe #howtobecomesuccessful #contentcreator #independentartist #honeyandabsinthe --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/janet1805/support
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“I value the community that I have online...so very much that if I go more than a few days without streaming, like I miss them. I miss my friends! It really is a wonderful way to connect. And especially right now, in a time when so many of us feel isolated and not connected, it's been a brilliant and incredibly therapeutic thing for me, and I hope for people who are able to watch that type of content as well.” — Trisha Hershberger Trisha Hershberger is a creator, host, and producer, known for her content in entertainment, gaming, and technology. She rose to prominence on the internet as one of the hosts of SourceFed, a platform founded by Philip DeFranco in 2012 as part of YouTube's $100 million dollar original channel initiative. While at SourceFed, she was also a host for SourceFedNerd and earned two Streamy awards before leaving the channel in 2015. In this episode of The Videocraft Show Presented by Video Husky, Trisha talks with host Jon Santiago about her early days as a creator plus: How her background in theater translates into her work as a live-streamer. What she learned from the years she spent working with Philip DeFranco. Advice she'd give to any creator who wants to work with brands. Developing her skills as an entrepreneur. Her insights on why she prefers live-streaming on Twitch moreso than YouTube. Her perspective on finding work/life balance as a creator. And much more... If you're a content creator, we know how time-consuming and tedious it is to edit your own videos. That's why Video Husky provides unlimited editing at a flat monthly rate. Just send us your footage plus instructions of what you want and you'll get the first draft of your video in 1-2 business days. Guaranteed. Intrigued? Visit https://www.videohusky.com/pricing/. Relevant Links Trisha's Twitch Channel Trisha's YouTube Channel Trisha's Website Trisha's Instagram The Naked Truth Podcast (Apple Podcasts Link) SourceFed SourceFedNERD Philip DeFranco Chapters (00:00) Intro (02:35) How Trisha started acting (07:47) Her first roles as an actor (12:42) Love for gaming and tech (18:03) Streaming and the gaming industry (19:48) Livestreaming vs. pre-recorded content (22:08) Twitch as a happy place (24:49) Twitch vs. YouTube (30:43) Auditioning for SourceFed (37:28) SourceFed as a launchpad for her career (38:51) Working with Philip DeFranco (41:37) Working with production companies (48:59) Being a parent (54:37) Where to follow Trisha Having trouble organizing ideas for your videos? Download a copy of our free script template by joining our email list: http://bit.ly/vc-script-template Production Credits Producer: Nikki Vicente Editors: Rex Estanislao, Shara Tecson Project Manager: Choco Arucan Graphics: Paolo Lopez
Hola, maricoper. Dame más dosis, Joe.Bienvenido al nuevo maricóctel, un repaso a seis titulares de la semana (con podcast narrado), un vídeo para olvidarse del mundo y tres lecturas recomendadas.Test de actualidad. Esta semana, nadie logró la puntuación perfecta. Echadle la culpa a Anita porque es ella la que puso la pregunta que habéis fallado TODOS: “¿Cuáles son las dos visiones contrapuestas sobre Internet que tienen Mark Zuckerberg (Facebook) y Tim Cook (Apple)?”. Era un poco jodida, ngl.¡VENTE A DISCORD! Puedes sumarte al Discord de La Wikly a través de este enlace. Rellena el formulario y uno de nuestros moderadores se pondrá en contacto contigo para ponerte al día.El que inventó el reloj de 12 horas claramente era galaxy brain. Bienvenido a La Wikly.
PFT Commenter Joins The Show, Kourtney Kardashian & Travis Barker break the internet, The CDC says masks can come off outside if you are vaccinated, Tucker Carlson & Joe Rogan make controversial vaccine claims, A race dog is discovered to have been on meth, Grenade buttplug is found in a German forest, A CEO is fired for dropping LSD at work, New spider species discovered in Miami & #fatboysummer with Philip DeFranco 00:08:20 Daily Buzz including Kardashian butts, New CDC mask guidelines, UEFA League news, Tucker Carlson & Joe Rogan controversy, & Philip DeFranco & Hard Factor #FatBoySummer collaboration 00:28:00 Mark tells us about a race dog that is crushing the competition because its handlers are feeding it methamphetamine 00:34:40 Pat tells us about a man who discovered a grenade in a German forest that turned out to be anything butt a World War II relic 00:41:20 Pat tells us about startup CEO Justin Zuh, who was fired when it was discovered he was dropping acid at work and was high during board meetings at Iterable 00:47:40 Wes tells us about a new spider species in Florida and plays a little joke on Mark while doing it. Check out the YouTube video for a good laugh. 00:50:40 PFT runs us through an NFL Draft Preview - BUCKLE UP These stories and more, brought to you by our fantastic sponsors. FastGrowingTrees.com is the world’s largest online nursery. Now through June 30th go to FastGrowingTrees.com/FACTOR for 15% off your order Helix was awarded the #1 best overall mattress pick of 2020 and by GQ and Wired Magazine. Helix is offering up to 200 dollars off all mattress orders AND two free pillows for our listeners at HelixSleep.com/HardFactor Listen/Subscribe to Hard Factor: Apple Podcasts Spotify Google Podcasts Follow Hard Factor: Twitter - @HardFactorNews Instagram - @HardFactorNews Youtube - HardFactorNews Voice Mail - 512-270-1480 Hard Factor Mark: Twitter - @HardFactorMark IG - @HardFactorMark Hard Factor Pat: Twitter - @HardFactorPat IG - @Pclassidy Hard Factor Wes: Twitter - @HardFactorWes IG - @HardFactorWes Hard Factor Will: Twitter - @HardFactorWill IG - @HardFactorWill
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We’re taking a page from Philip Defranco’s A Conversation With podcast today and playing the most personal card game we’ve ever found. Pulling from 4 decks for deep questions on friendship, working together, and relationships. See our Show Notes and Things of the Week below!
This documentary came out a while ago now. My wife and I were looking for a movie to watch for the evening when this one came up on recommended. Now I remember when this story broke and I was listening to Philip Defranco cover this on his YouTube channel. At the time my feelings were very much the same as they were when watching this documentary. I was disgusted with the way these kids were treated, angered with the people who were in charge and just as furious as the parents. At the time of this happening my wife and I had not yet had our daughter but watching this documentary as a father of a little girl made it a little more infuriating. As parents my wife and I strive to provide a safe environment for our little ones to grow up in. However there are predators everywhere. In an environment where something like this happens, and the parents of these athletes do the right thing like file a complaint. Some people are more concerned with how this will affect them vs. doing the right thing. The parents and kids voices should have been heard. Hundreds of young girls who would be added to the list of victims over decades could have been saved form this had the people in charge of the USA Gymnastics organization done the right thing.
Before he won Wired magazine’s Sexiest Geek of 2008 competition.SxePhil birth name, Philip Franchini grew up in a tough living situation with divorced parents and moving around from home to home. Diagnosed early on with a genetic kidney disease Phillip faced problems that matured him faster than others his age. When pursuing post-secondary studies he left his native New York to go to the South, where his last name was such a problem for the locals to pronounce it that he actually changed it. A string of poor financial decisions left him living in a car before finally moving back home, and even though his channel was getting a bunch of views on a newly-emerging platform known as YouTube he had run out of money and was forced to sell everything including the computer he used to edit his videos.
This Episode lists 10 incidents YouTubers have taken things too far. Some are scandals, others are scams, some have been shot, others r*ped. There's a lot of different stories told here. Stories include the likes of ReSet, Logan Paul, David Dobrik, Philip DeFranco, Trisha Paytas, Bobby Burns, I am Jaystation, Daddyofive, Curtis Lepore, Austin Jones, Cameron Dallas, James Potok, MonaLisa Perez, and more. This True Crime Podcast is hosted by Laura Jean. This includes graphic depictions of sensitive materials. Viewer discretion is advised. Trigger Warning is in effect. New Podcast videos out every Wednesday at 3PM EST. Come back for all your favorite stories while leave a suggestion down below, and who knows maybe your favorite story could be featured in a future episode! Follow Behind the Yellow Lines on Socials: @BTYLTrue Crime on Twitter @BTYLTrueCrime on Instagram I'm your host: LJ! Where to find me: http://www.youtube.com/c/laurajeanonline http://www.facebook.com/laurajeanonline Twitter: @laurajeanonline Instagram: @laurajeanonline Snapchat: @laurajeanonline Tiktok: @laurajeanonline --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/behindtheyellowline/support
This week we've got the best, worst and weirdest apology videos on the whole of YouTube. We gotabout Space X. We got GMod ridiculousness with DNSL and an actual REAL, fact based news YouTuber Philip DeFranco. Also, Side note, David wanted to apologise and say yes Poppy did sing a cover rather than a lip sync. --LINK DUMP-- Poppy: All the things she said - https://youtu.be/YTvIG6gHMh0 English with Lucy: Apology - https://youtu.be/au_0R4bYe1w Space X buying a town - https://youtu.be/K4ZNgremZ4U A GOOD apology video: https://youtu.be/4ehDRCE1Z38 SpaceX: https://youtu.be/wSge0I7pwFI Dunkey - Avengers End Game: https://youtu.be/XhVUuqQ8PaA DNSL - Second Life: https://youtu.be/vHIVZPYAQt0 Jameskii - Banned in GMod: https://youtu.be/HphcsQVGUhs PewDiePie - Workout Routine: https://youtu.be/2m89AUgTxFk Binging with babish - Buttered Noodles: https://youtu.be/xGHTj4y_bd8 Outro Music: "Calm the F**K Down" by Broke for Free (https://tinyurl.com/qjwymm4) From the Free Music Archive CC BY 3.0 (https://tinyurl.com/7wylpew)
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MAY THE 4TH BE WITH YOU!!! On this episode, we discuss Philip DeFranco's most recent dealing with depression, and Shawn Vander gives his 2 cents on the matter. We also discuss the scuffle going on between Uiniversal Pictures and AMC and Regal Theaters. Finally, due to the recent situation we're in, EVO 2020 is canceled, and EVO may hold an on-line tournament.
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I'm excited to release this interview with Jason Calacanis during the launch of his new book, Angel: How to Invest in Technology Startups-Timeless Advice from an Angel Investor Who Turned $100,000 into $100,000,000. I've been a super fan of Jason since coming across his show This week in Startups when he produced it on set with black curtain backdrops and large wooden dining room tables. A lot of people give GaryVee credit for the foresight of thinking like a media company — but Jason got to it first. Behind the bravado is a kid from Brooklyn that worked his tail off to get to where he's at, challenged with lessons of success & failure weaved into the fabric of his story. Today, Jason leads Inside.com with the same burning passion to take on the big platforms as he did with his first startup, Silicon Alley Reporter. Sit back and enjoy this episode with Jason, as he walks us through the mind of an angel investor and how to start thinking scale in your small software business. Listen the episode Matt Report - A WordPress podcast for digital business owners How to find an angel investor for small startups w/ Jason Calacanis Play Episode Pause Episode Mute/Unmute Episode Rewind 10 Seconds 1x Fast Forward 30 seconds 00:00 / 00:44:23 Subscribe Share RSS Feed Share Link Embed Download file | Play in new window | Duration: 00:44:23 Interview transcript Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the Matt Report season five. We're winding down season five. In fact, folks who were listening, now you should have heard the last episode of season five. But I get a bonus episode with one of my favorite people on the internet, Jason Calacanis. Jason, welcome to the program. Jason C.: Hey, thanks for having me. Matt: Creator of Weblogs, Inc sold to AOL. Early investors in Uber, Thumbtack, created a company called Mahalo and fought Google at every turn and corner. Created another company that I originally found you through is This Week In, the sort of all the YouTube stuff and live video stuff you were doing. Now you're running Inside.com, news and entertainment delivered via email. I am a huge fan of that as well. You run LAUNCH Incubator and events, and now you've written the book, the book of angels as it were. It's angels- Jason C.: Yes, of angels. I like that. Matt: Angel: How to Invest in Technology Startups—Timeless Advice from an Angel Investor Who Turned 100 grand into 100 million buckaroos. Jason, welcome to the program again. Did I miss anything? Jason C.: It's- Matt: I probably did. Jason C.: Probably. Well yeah, it's one of the great things about history is like people only remember the victories if you have them. Then they forget all the losses. But you brought up Mahalo, so that was great, my PTSD started triggering. Mahalo, we basically pivoted into Inside.com, so the story ended up well. But we're working like dogs, get a return for those Mahalo investors. I never give up. It's one of my either charming or stupid qualities depending on the situation that I never give up. Matt: Obviously, want to talk about the book. For me, I'm not a super heavy book reader. I got it, I got an early copy. I did a little Jason Calacanis of my own, I just contacted your publishers. I sort of worked my way in through the backdoor and I said, “Hey, I'd love to talk to this guy.” Jason C.: Hustle. Matt: I definitely want to talk about the book, but real quick. This Week In network, I mean god, you had This Week In Web Design, of course This Week In Startups. You had I think This Week In Movies as well. Do you think that you were just so early, like the technology wasn't there? Jason C.: Yeah, for sure. What we did was we tried to do a network of shows seven years ago. It was a little experiment. Me and a couple of my friends put 100k in each. We got to the point where it was making some money and there were two breakout shows, Kevin Pollak's Chat Show and This Week In Startups. All the other shows, we were trying to groom talent. We had people like Mark Suster doing This Week In Venture Capital. Then we had other people doing This Week In Movies. We did a Mad Men recap show long before things like Talking Dead. We kinda pioneered that space of doing a show right after. We had a lot of, I would say, early signs of success. Maybe we should've stuck with it. But I came to this great realization, which was the more important, the more powerful, the more networks, the more credible the hosts, like Kevin Pollak, Mark Suster, myself, the greater the chance of success. If it was an emerging host, it probably had very little chance of success. We were able to get an unlimited supply of emerging talent to host a podcast. But none of them were breaking out. It probably would've taken us three or four years of trying to get them to break out. We had somebody named Dave Pensado doing Pensado's Place and he was awesome too. But all those people had in common that they didn't really need us because it's so easy to create a podcast that if you're a rich powerful person, or not even rich. If you just have 500 to let's say $2,000 to produce an episode, you can just do it yourself and not have a boss, not be part of a network. We kept having people who would just call in rich, like Mark Suster's like, “Yeah, I can't do it for the next year. I gotta raise a fund. I got things to do.” I just had this realization that all the great podcasters would be independent and I was right. If you look, Leo Laporte stayed independent, Joe Rogan, Sam Harris, Adam Carolla. All these people have become independent, let's call it $1 million to $10 million enterprises. I think probably Leo and Joe Rogan are above 5 million. They have this like, call it $2 to $5 million space like This Week In Startups, and maybe Sam Harris, and maybe Adam Carolla. In other words, it's enough money for those people to love doing it and not to need to have anybody as their boss. So all those people who are trying to making podcasting networks have had a hard go of it. Even Leo, who's got a lot of great shows, but he's had a hard time keeping talent on the network because they go have a life event. They get married. They go have kids and want to do something else. It's just hard to be a manager of talent like that. I mean Sirius XM is doing a good job of it, but they have this like huge bankroll. So I think podcasting is this very unique space because you don't need somebody. If you go down that list, all these like podcasting companies, they don't really … Malcolm Gladwell doesn't need the podcasting company in other words. He can just do it himself. If he does it with a podcasting company, it's probably because they're overpaying him. Matt: These shows, these either networks or these individual shows that somebody's running, they become massive platforms and catalysts to sell all their either goods and services or maybe even in your world, you get the advertising, you do a million bucks a year. You pay your staff, whatever. But it's also it connects you with so many people at the same time. It makes you become the [crosstalk 00:05:39]- Jason C.: My view on podcasting when I heard about it from Dave Winer and the pod father, Adam Curry when they were teaching me about it. I was like okay, I'm just gonna record two conversations from lunches I had in a week, and then all of a sudden it turned into we're about to hit 800 episodes for This Week in Startups. It just turned out to be a networking thing for me. Then all of a sudden, it started making money and getting 150,000 downloads in episodes. So it's a pretty big audience now and it's a great way for me to find founders to invest in. Matt: If people are listening to that and they're like, “All right, that's it. I'm gonna go start my podcast.” Folks, it's still a slog. It's still some hard work. It doesn't come that easy. I know. I'm only at maybe 300 episodes and man, some days it can be super draining to keep this stuff going. Let's just talk about the book. The structure of this book, for a dullard like myself who doesn't like to read, it is … I mean you say in sort of the winding chapters that this is the playbook. This is your decade plus of experiences sort of all put into this one book. I love the framework was I mean was that your idea? Or when you get to a publisher, they say, “Look, that's a complicated topic. We need to sort of piecemeal this for people reading it.” It's not all this hoopla and sort of Zen like stuff. This is the real deal. Jason C.: Yeah. The pitch was interesting. I've had a very famous book agent for a decade. His name is John Brockman. He does something called Edge.org and he's got Daniel Dennett, Jared Diamond, Sam Harris, had Marvin Minsky, just all the greatest authors that are out there, and Brian Greene, and then me. I would always get these like Blogging for Dummies, Podcasting for Dummies. Search engines, SEO for Dummies. They just wanted me to be the dummy author and it was always like chintzy. It was a couple of stories about my angel investing. People started to realize, “Oh, he's hit a unicorn. Oh, he hit a second unicorn. Oh, he hit three unicorns.” When that started to get released, the value of the portfolio started to get released and Wall Street Journal did a story on it, people were pinging my agent saying, “Hey, is he gonna write a book?” I just thought to myself everybody I meet, like the stupider or more inexperienced they are, the greater the chance they've written a book. So like people who have no life experience and nothing to share, they write books in order to become subject matter efforts. I just thought isn't that backwards? Like, shouldn't the books go to the subject matter experts? I just thought what am I a subject matter expert on? Like, I was a good entrepreneur. I'm not like an elite great entrepreneur, like folks I've invested in who have done much better than me. I was a good entrepreneur. But angel investing is something I have a lot of credibility on since I've done 150 investments now and now six of them have become unicorns. Another company today announced that they raised over a billion dollars making medal 3D printers called Desktop Metal, which I was an investor on the first round to fund it. Matt: Nice. Jason C.: I was like this is something I could do. Then I looked at it and I said how do you frame that? I could make something for angels, but really the book is about how wealth is created in the 21st century as opposed to how wealth was created in the 20th century. That's really what I'm going for and if you read the book, you realize it's not just for angel investors. It's for anybody who wants to know how many is gonna be made in the next century. Money and wealth is not created by real estate and being rich dad, poor dad, secret millionaire on the block, art of the deal. You're not gonna become rich through some deal making or real estate in all likelihood. That dream is over. That was a really good model when the white collar boom was happening. You could get a white collar job, marry somebody with a white collar job, bring peanut butter and jelly to lunch, and then just don't go out to dinner, take staycations. Matt: Right. Save, save, save. Jason C.: Save, save, save. Pay down your house. But at that time, when our parents bought their houses, my parents bought their brownstone in Brooklyn for I think $45,000. My mom was making as a nurse 40,000 and my dad was probably making 30,000 as a bartender. Their house was one less than one times their yearly income. Now if you live in New York, a brownstone's a million dollars, and most people are making, let's say they were, forget about blue collar, just white collar people. They're probably making 100 to 150k each, so let's just call it best case scenario, 300,000 a year. A brownstone in Brooklyn's a million dollars or $2 million depending on where in Brooklyn, so it's five times, seven times the household income. Forget about Manhattan or other places. In San Francisco, it's an even further joke. So the idea that you would have these two white collar people suffer and then hit this amazing real estate thing, then buy a second home, or leverage it into a second home, is kinda laughable. Also, people are graduating with what? At the same time, people's debt is growing, so there's educational debt. People coming out of school with 50, 150k each, so they have household debt of 150,000. Then what happens? Boom, you had the $150,000 in debt, you're not paying for your mortgage until you're 35. In this book, I explain hey, if you can get on cap tables of high growth companies, specifically in Silicon Valley, because the hit rate there is so much better and the numbers are just, add a zero or two from any other market in terms of the scale of those companies, you could really hit a home run and move from poor to rich, from middle class to rich, from rich to ultra rich. That's really what I was trying to do there. My hope is that if 100,000 people buy the book, and 5 or 10% of them start angel investing, maybe 1,000 of them have this incredible, or 100 of them have this incredible result. If the other ones just are plus or minus 50% of their money, that's a fine outcome too. Angel investing is something that's becoming something that a lot more people can do. Matt: Yeah and I want to talk about that, but I also looked at this book of course for the folks who are listening, the WordPress product companies, hosting companies, people who are doing upwards of maybe a million bucks a year selling WordPress plugins. This is a great book to reverse engineer these frameworks, right? Jason C.: Of course. Matt: How does Jason go to look for founders? Now these founders out there I mean pick up the book just because now you can reverse engineer that and it structures so damn well that you just zero in right on the part where Jason's negotiating or setting up the interviews. I mean it's an amazing tool. Jason C.: Exactly correct. That is a very astute point. There's actually a cheaper in there for founders where I just say like, “If you're a founder and you bought this book to game the system, congratulations. You're smart. You smart mother effers, like I salute you. Then here's what you need to know about what angels are going through and how they make their decisions because they are human beings too who are trying to figure this out.” You're not trying to game them. What you want is to really be in sync. For the people making a million dollars a year, like basically either become angel investors or they could actually read the book and understand hey, this is what venture capitalists and angel investors are looking to do. How do you accelerate a million dollar, that wedge strategy of doing templates, and being a single person who makes a million dollars a year, and one person with a couple freelances makes a million? How do you add a zero to that revenue or two zeros? I think if you read the book, you'll have an idea of how things like that can scale. Matt: A little bit on that point, so a lot of folks who do do this, who are doing the WordPress thing, and they're selling some digital products, a lot of them are developers. They started coding in the basement. They upgraded to coding in the garage. Now they're in a coworking space, coding at the coworking space. They're not sort of the marketing type or the entrepreneurial type in the sense of I want to scale this thing. But what can be said about at least talking to maybe an angel investor? I mean are there some benefits to taking … a lot of these folks are just sort of gun-shy for taking money. Are there some benefits to it that you could sort of peg off for people who might be afraid? Jason C.: Yeah. If you have a cash producing business, let's say it's profitable in throwing off a $250,000 a year salary for you. That's pretty amazing. Consider yourself lucky. You can work from home. You control your schedule. You start bringing investors in, they are gonna be looking, an angel investor is gonna be looking typically for a 5 to 10x return. Not this angel investor. I'm looking for people who can do a 100 for 500. But really, 50 to 100 is probably what professional angels are hoping that some of their companies do. A regular angel might be looking for 5 or 10 times their money in seven years. Venture capitalists are trying to invest millions of dollars and maybe do 10x as well with an outside chance of 100 or 200x. So you know that about them and you are kinda lighting a fuse or hitting a starter pistol when you do take that money. So it's a very astute observation. Your life is gonna change. You're gonna have to send updates to them. They're gonna have questions. They're gonna give you money, but they're also, hopefully if they're connected, gonna give you credibility, and resources, and help you strategize about how to add that zero to your revenue. So that everybody involved, all stakeholders, your customers, your partners, your employees, yourself as the founder and the investors, win. That's what the cap table is all about, the capitalization table. So you have to create a cap table, sell them some shares, give your employees some shares and say, “Hey, we're all gonna go on this journey. The company has a million in revenue. We value out of 5 million. There's 5 million shares in the company. They're all worth a dollar. The investor just put in a half million dollars. They bought 10% of the company. They gave us 500,000. Let's deploy that $500,000 intelligently. We'll hire five sales people and give them $50,000 plus commission and hire two more developers. Now we got seven people cranking.” What the people who are your grinders and your audience, the people who know how to grind out and make a real business that people find value from, they typically have the great product sense and the great customer sense. But they don't have the scale sense, right? Or they don't have it yet. Matt: Right. Jason C.: What they have to do is study what they've learned, study their customers and say, “Hey, maybe the top 5% of our customers or top 10% have a need that we've learned about, that we can double or triple down.” If they looked at it and said, “You know what? We have these three customers out of 1,000 who are financial companies, and they keep asking for this set of features. Let's tell them that we're building that product and let's get them to pay $25,000 a month for that product.” That's what kinda pulling the string as an entrepreneur and learning about a market, that's what I respect about those grinders, the people who get to a million dollars in revenue. I just did my first cannabis investment. I wasn't expecting to do one until maybe California was legal and maybe two years from now when things were a little more sorted. But I found a company that's making a million dollars from advertising, and doing cannabis tourism, and doing cannabis magazines, and cannabis festivals. I was like okay, that's a good starting point. If they know how to make a million dollars from just traditional advertising, and events, and stuff like that, maybe they'll figure out some bigger business, and they have a bigger business in mind. So I love those scrappy entrepreneurs. Matt: Yeah. I see that come up a lot. Like, I see a lot of people who are scrappy, doing a million bucks a year, but then they see these ideas get funded for multi millions of dollars and they haven't made a nickel yet. Meanwhile, these people are making hand over fist, hundreds of thousand dollars in cash every single month. I mean is that attractive when a company's making money or does that signal like this is only as big as you're gonna get? Jason C.: Yeah. Matt: Like, we should maybe not invest in that. Jason C.: An amazing question. For some people, it is a signal, a negative signal. Like, these people think small. But for people who are in the know, like savvy people, they're gonna look at it and go, “That person built what we call a dude business, or a dudette business, which is dude makes a million dollars a year. Dude makes half a million dollars a year.” Those people are so smart. I have a friend, Phil Kaplan, who created a company called DistroKid, and previous he did Effed Company and a couple of other startups. He's really brilliant and he makes these companies like just himself and a bunch of freelancers, and they get to millions of dollars in revenue. If you can be lean like that, you're gonna learn stuff, and then there's a time to figure out, “Okay, I built MailChimp, or SurveyMonkey, or examples of companies built off revenue that all of a sudden started to scale.” In SurveyMonkey's case, they took investment and then I believe in MailChimp's case, they had 400 million in revenue, and they had never taken anybody's money. So both things can work. If you want to work with a group of elite investors, when you come with that million dollars, and explain your vision, and say, “Listen, we made a million dollars. It was quite nice. We can grow this business 20% a year for the next 10 years and we'll make $10 million.” That's awesome. “We want to build a billion dollar company. Here's the billion dollar opportunity and here's why we need $1.5 million for 15% of the company. We're gonna build it from here to hit these goals.” That seems pretty credible to me. If it hasn't grown for five years and it's just slowly growing, and you say, “We're gonna make this accelerate,” you have to have a good story. So is it, “Why hasn't it grown faster?” It might be that you just never had outbound sales. You add an outbound sales team and everything changes. So they would want you to test that theory and probably give you 500k to test it. Matt: Got it. Jason C.: But most people don't take enough risks. Out of that group of people who are making that million dollars a year, half million dollars a year, what they don't realize is they're so concerned to protect the nest egg, and their upper middle class lifestyle, or let's say affluent life style. Maybe not rich, they could stop working, but they kinda have a nice place in life. They don't want to risk it, which I understand. But what you have to realize is if you don't risk it now, there's no chance of outside success. If you go for an outside success and it fails, and you've built a million dollar business before, you're gonna be able to build another million dollar one. It's kinda like there's this kid who climbs Yosemite and other mountains without a rope, Alex Honnold, or whatever his name is. It's just like you watch these videos and you're like, “My god, please don't do that.” I don't recommend people climb mountains without ropes, but if you're climbing the startup mountain and you fall, it gives you more credibility, and you just get to start over at the bottom of the mountain again. You don't die. People have this idea that's if you fail in your startup, you're dead. No, you're more credible, you've learned something, and you get to play. You put another quarter in the machine, you get to play the video game again. Matt: Yeah, absolutely. I mean that's obviously well said. I want to circle- Jason C.: Take more risk is my advice. Matt: Yeah and on that note, you mentioned something earlier about sort of they understand the scrappiness of creating the product, understanding the customer, and the love of building a business, right? That's why they did it. But they don't understand the scale factor. Is that what you would argue a good angel would come in and say, no pun intended I guess, but come in and say, “Hey look, we're gonna bless you with a … maybe point you in the right direction for an advisor, or building an advisory council,” or something like that? Does a good angel do that for their entrepreneurs or do you try to stay hands off and not really push them in a particular direction? Jason C.: It depends on what the founder wants. If the founder wants me involved, I get involved. If the founder doesn't need my help, I get less involved. I like to get a monthly update from the founder because it creates discipline with them to write the update. It takes them an hour to write the update, share the key metrics of the business, talk about the challenges, talk about the wins, talk about the losses, and how we might be able to help. If you have that discipline where you have your metrics dialed in and you write that update, and you send it to 10 investors, and say your management team, you can have like a really open dialogue. The companies that do that go a lot further because they maybe create a plan. If you have a plan to be successful and you execute the plan, you will be more successful. You might not succeed, but you will definitely be more successful. People who decide, “I'm gonna create a two year plan to grow my business from 1 million in year one to 3 million. In a year or two, I'm gonna go from 3 million to 9.” If they don't succeed at the plan and they hit 2 in 6, they will probably be further along than people without a plan. I'm a big fan of planning, and having people involved, and talking about the strategy, and paying attention to the data and the metrics. The great companies do that. Matt: I think you mentioned on a recent episode of your show that the folks who are shy or shy-ish of saying, “No, I'm gonna not give you that weekly or monthly update,” as sort of an indication to you that they're not taking their job seriously, or they might not be taking your relationship with handing them some cash seriously in that regard. Jason C.: Yeah, for sure. We definitely like to find people who are just serious about the business and want to do the business right. I think if you're gonna take angels, you need to look at, especially if you're in that zone of 500,000 to a million, a simple email to 10 different angels saying, “I have a business called blank. We make money by doing blank for blank. Here's a revenue chart, quarterly, monthly, week, whatever, and here's a link to our product demo.” Like, literally that's what? Less than five sentences. You all of a sudden get this massive … we click on the links, and we go check it out, and then we're gonna take the meeting. Most people write their life story and what they plan on doing, the talkers, the tourists. What I love about your audience is they're not talkers and tourists. They're people who have actually built real businesses and they just maybe haven't built the business that is designed to be a billion dollar business. But if you can build a million dollar business, truth be told, you can build a $10 million business. Now, if you have built the million dollar business, I don't know that means you can build a $100 million one. But if you build a million, you can definitely get to 10. If you can get to 10, you've got a business that's gonna be worth 5 to 20 times that number and you can build a team around you of investors who can tell you what people you need on your team to hit that next milestone. That's the trick. You're bringing these people in, they're invested, and now you have five people working toward your success who have skills that you don't have. Again, why fear the downside risk when there is none? It's not life or death and people have a life or death approach where they just don't take enough risk. I believe, in my heart, people don't take enough risk. Matt: It's funny you say that because I'm a mentor in an accelerator program out here on the East Coast. A lot of these folks coming in, and it's sort of like a sustainable accelerator, so businesses that are gonna help the local community, drive jobs, that kind of thing. Nothing like in the tech sector, although some come through with the tech sector. So many people starting companies now, they feel like it's life or death, right? Some of them are trying to do it because they're jaded from the Shark Tank shows that are out there. They think like, “All I have to do is get to this, and I'm gonna win a million bucks,” right? They think of it like a game show I guess and it's sort of not the case. But also, look, you can get up the next day. You can start another business, get another job, or something like that, and take another swing at it I guess. Jason C.: It's correct. Shark Tank's an amazing show for inspiring people to get involved. It has put in people's mind that that money in some cases is like the reward, that's the prize, when in fact that's the starter pistol as we talked about earlier. That just means okay, now you've deployed it, and those people want you to return. It's an investment, which means they want a return on capital. So yeah, I think it's been great that so many people are inspired to start companies, but finishing is important. Matt: As an investor, this is the inside baseball question for the direct folks in the audience, we're all using WordPress. It's all opensource. Does that scare you as an investor? Do you not touch opensource? Do you know investors that do and don't that might be some guidance for folks listening? Jason C.: It is amazing. Everybody wants to do opensource based startups. They [inaudible 00:25:55] WordPress.org and I've got the name of the other CMS, but the Boston company that now- Matt: Oh, Acquia, Drupal. Jason C.: Yeah, Drupal. Yeah, so these companies are real and they make a ton of money. I think Android has put to bed anybody's fear that like you can't do an open source thing and also control it, right? Google's done a pretty good job of having their cake and eating it too, haven't they? They have like Android, and they figured out, and there's a- Matt: Tesla's doing opensource I think even with their chargers coming up, right? They want to opensource their charging station so other manufacturers can- Jason C.: Build them. Matt: Build them. Jason C.: Yeah, I think they … What everybody realizes is at a certain point, you pick where you want to make your money and make your company defensible. So for Google, everything is opensource, except for their algorithm and their search engine. You can't figure out, that's a black box, right? But they'll opensource everything else to kill their competitors. Then Facebook is like, “We'll make our hardware platform opensource and we'll have everybody working on grinding the hardware quest down. But we're sure we're not gonna make our ad network, or a social graph, that's not gonna be available. It would be lightly available in the API. If you get any kind of traction on the API that gets people to leave Facebook, we're gonna turn you off.” The API for Facebook says, “The API is not designed to make people leave Facebook.” So if you use the API thinking you're gonna bring people to your platform, the second you get traction, they just say, “You're breaking the terms of service.” Matt: Yep. So let's pivot and talk about your current business, Inside.com. Is playing in somebody else's sandbox, I mean as you learned with Mahalo, as sort of some of us listening now. We've learned that from WordPress.com versus WordPress.org, two different businesses, two different entities. Is your play in email sort of saying, “You know what? To heck with these platforms. I'm just gonna go direct.” Jason C.: It's exactly … you couldn't be more right. After years of being frustrated by … Google was a big partner of ours. I was in their first quarterly report for Weblogs, Inc was the partner that they shared that was making money off of advertising. We were making over $2,000 a day. We were like the first million dollar independent company partner. So they used us as a case study, Weblogs, Inc and Gadget, and they used New York Times. I had this great 10 year relationship. I knew the founders of the company. I knew everybody there. Then they just decided to like go ham on us, and all the other content sites, and destroy us. Then when I called them, like I couldn't get my phone calls returned. I was like, “We're partners.” Then Matt Cutts is like, “We don't have partners and you don't have a penalty against you.” I'm like, “90% of our traffic's gone and here's 1,000 emails with your team talking about how great our partnership is.” They basically lied and you can see them getting dinged. They just got a $2.7 billion fine just on comparison shopping, so they're gonna get dinged for local. They get dinged for all these other things as well. They really use their monopolistic position to hurt the companies in their ecosystem, which I understand. I wouldn't have done it that way. They were loved originally by partners. What they should've done is just given us a licensing fee for our content and said, “Hey, if we put your content on the one box or whatever, we're just gonna give you 10 cents a CPM.” All of a sudden Yelp would've been getting a million dollar a month check and everybody would've been happy. Google would've been making 100 million off of that. There was a way for them to do it, and I think they probably regret it now, and they're probably trying to fix it. Or they're laughing all the way to the bank, it doesn't matter. Matt: I feel like they're doing it again with YouTube content and sort of just- Jason C.: Changing the rules. Matt: Yeah, sucking the life out of ad revenue. Jason C.: Yeah. No, all of a sudden they said, “If you have under 10,000 views, no ads.” If CNN talks about a terrorist attack, they can have advertising. If an independent person who helped build YouTube into what it is, like Philip DeFranco, mentions a terrorist attack, they won't put ads on it. So Philip went crazy on them. He said, “Wait a second. I helped build this platform and now you're changing it?” So Philip's leaving the platform. I saw that coming. I left the platform. Wmail is one of these great things. You can go direct and you can make money directly from consumers, so not even having to rely on advertising. Now we're going and saying to our customers, “Hey, pay for the content. We'll give you some extra content if you pay. If you want free, you get whatever it's gonna be, 20% or 60% of the content for free. Some percentage, 50/50, we're not sure yet, 60/40, will be for the paid people and for people who contributed.” We did it with LAUNCH Ticker, our first email newsletter. Of the 27,000 people, we have over 1,000 paying, so about 4%. If I can replicate that with the 200,000 subscribers on Inside.com's 26 newsletters, we'll have a great business. We'll have 8,000 paid subscribers. We'll be making a million dollars a year. That pays for a lot of journalists and you have 20 journalists working from home for that. I'm really interested in owning a deep direct relationship. Now, if you think about it, Gmail is even trying to- Matt: Oh yeah, that was gonna be my next question. Jason C.: For that, with their tabs and putting you in their thing. But it's so hard for them to do. We are even going to be going … We started experimenting with SMS and owning people's relationship there. I think use any of these other platforms if it gets you customers, but own a direct deep relationship. I can't tell you how many people I know who have apps and have no emails. It's like get the email address of these people and email is the big growth hack for Twitter and for a lot of other sites where they email you, “Here's what you missed.” That was the big hack for a lot of these companies. So if you're not collecting emails everywhere, and providing massive value to those email subscribers, you're doing it wrong. Matt: Yeah and I mean as again folks who are listening now, WordPress itself, being an opensource platform, you can do whatever you want. I mean we have tons of folks in the audience who are building membership sites. People are coming to the site. They're paying either $9 bucks a month, $200 bucks a year, transaction happens right on a WordPress site. They can control the content, put up a paywall, all that fun stuff. What's the product evolution of Inside.com? Do you then spin back to where you were five, six years ago and start creating video content along with this stuff, audio content, along- Jason C.: Yeah, anything's possible. I think the goal is once you have 10,000, 20,000 emails, you start to have this virtuous cycle where the news is coming to you. You can bolt anything onto something with 20,000, 30,000 emails, and that's gonna have some amount of success, so it's a very astute observation. It's very possible Inside AI could have a weekly podcast, and the email would drive the podcast. The email content would drive the topics of the podcast, so it's possible we can layer on podcasting onto email. What I found was every business I looked at kept saying if email's the growth thing, why don't we make email look [inaudible 00:32:41], right? Matt: Right. Jason C.: If everybody's looking and saying, “Hey, email is the thing to get growth,” what if the entire product is centered around email, and engagement, and opening it? So that's really what I'm focused on. I set a goal in the beginning like, “Let's get a certain number of opens.” We hit that. Then I said, “Let's get to 50 newsletters. We're halfway there.” Now I'm saying, “Let's get to 1 or 2% of the people who are free, paying. That just started three or four weeks ago, but it's promised thousands of dollars in monthly reoccurring revenue.” It's a very lightweight business, like many people who are part of your audience, I'm like literally aspiring to hitting that million dollars in revenue and having 20 full time 50k a year journalists working from home. A 50k salary for a journalist working from home, or 40k plus benefits, or something in that range, I mean you can get people with three, four or five years experience. We have this thing in New York and San Francisco where they think journalists need to make 70, 80, 90, $100,000. It turns out if you're living in New Hampshire, or Arizona, or other places, to get a work from home job with benefits for 40 or 50k is a tremendous tremendous opportunity. Matt: Yeah, absolutely. Jason C.: Because you can't get that salary. If you do get that salary, you probably have to drag your ass into an office. Matt: Right, right. I do miss your Inside Drones YouTube series that you were doing at one point. I do miss that. That was good. Jason C.: We'll get back to it. What we found was we weren't getting … it was cart before horse. When we started doing some of those tests, we weren't getting the engagement that we wanted, and then they were trying to figure out how to regrow it. So it's like oh, let's work backwards, you know? Matt: As we sort of wrap up here because I know you're a little crunched on time. How do you live in that happy chaos? Let me just stage that. I was talking to a founder today and in my mentor session, it was like okay, you're selling your product. You're out there, you're pushing it. But then there's like this little cloud above you. That little 20% of ideas, and testings, and little things you want to try sort of just floats up there. You sort of pull things out every now and again, like your Inside Drones, maybe cart before horse. How do you manage that? Because I feel like you do a lot of that. You're always testing things. You're always trying new ideas. You don't shy away from it. Jason C.: No. Matt: Is there a way for you to manage that? Jason C.: Yeah, for sure. Here's how I look at it. I look at startups themselves when I angel invest and I look at my own little tests as satellites, little missions. If you wanted to find life in the universe, I think the way to do it is to send out 100 probes to 100 different planets that could have life on them, and just see if you get a return signal, right? Matt: Right. Jason C.: That's the way to look at these experiments. If you get to a planet that you think is in the Goldilocks zone and shouldn't be inhabitable, and you get there and there's nobody there, great. You can cross that one off the list. As you start crossing them off the list, you're gonna start getting data. So oh, doing the podcast about drones didn't work, but doing a newsletter did. Okay, what's making the newsletter grow? Oh, doing interviews with people who are CEOs of drone companies means they retweet it, and people get value from it, and blah blah blah blah. You start figuring out what works, which experiments are getting you closer to finding life and which ones are not. Sometimes you gotta cross things off the list to know they don't work. That's really what's entrepreneurship is about, is you're just trying to triangulate around a signal. Sometimes it's a weak signal, but the signal starts getting stronger and stronger, and revenue and engagement are the signals. So open rates are the signal. When we started Inside, we have a newsletter called Daily Brief, which is just about the news of the day. We realized hey 40, 50% of people were opening it in the mornings. Then people were telling us the next day that a lot of the news was stale. So I said okay, let's run a test. Take the thousand people on the list and send like 1,000 of the 10,000 people or 20,000 people, whatever it is, a second edition at 3 o'clock in the afternoon with whatever else has happened, like an update. Just tell them it's an update on what was happening in the morning news. Like, four people were like, “I didn't ask for this.” We're like, “We'll unsubscribe you.” Three of them were like, “Don't unsubscribe, I love it.” But they were kind of upset that they were … I just told the whole list, “Listen, we're moving to twice a day. If you don't like it, unsubscribe.” Someone's like, “I only want once a day.” I was like, “We don't provide that.” They're like, “Okay.” They're like, “You can't do that.” There's always like a couple of people in every crowd where the people at a restaurant who are like, “You can't charge for bread,” and the restaurant's like, “We charge for bread.” “Okay, fine.” Or, “A hamburger should come with french fries. How do you charge for french fries?” Then you would say, “Well, not everybody wants french fries, so we charge an extra dollar for french fries. That's just the way we choose to do it. If you don't like it, go somewhere else.” Sometimes people listen too much to their costumers, so you gotta understand the overall impact of the metrics. That just requires having not a discussion about emotions, or feelings, or predictions, or who's in charge, but data and the crafting of experiments. The Lean Startup's a great book by my friend Erick Ries that talks about this lean startup methodology, which everybody listening to this should be familiar with. Matt: Yeah, definitely. Jason C.: But what's the least costly and quickest way to get the signal to understand if this is gonna work or not? That's your goal. How can you cheaply figure it out? The way I cheaply figure it out was let's just put a newsletter out there. Inside had a news app, hundreds of thousands of people downloaded the app. Less than 1% used it a day. When we send emails, 30, 40, 50% of people open each one and we send two a day. So you put that together, we went 50x using an old technology, and now we don't have seven developers working on an app, eight developers working on an app. The whole app team was maybe eight people, very highly paid people. We can redeploy those eight people's salaries, and hire a dozen journalists, and get further. That's no dig to the … It just turned out that news apps didn't work. I mean I was an investor in Circa and a bunch of other news apps I loved, and used, and nobody made a news app that's worked. It just doesn't work. People forget they have it. Matt: Yeah, I remember when you launched that, and I was like oh man, I don't know if I'm gonna be using this app all the time and I installed it. But then when you pivoted to the straight up email, I was like yes, this is … Because this is all I, I swear to god, this is not just because you're on my show and because I'm a super fan. But it's like the only place I read news now. I don't go into Facebook and even dare click on an article. One, because I don't want to get retargeted. Two, I don't want to see all the bullshit comments that people have to say about stuff. I just want to see the news headlines, get the synopsis, and then click on it if I so desire. I think Inside really hits the mark on that. Jason C.: Thank you. Matt: Oh man. One last followup on that. Ad free and just go membership monetization model moving forward or make sure- Jason C.: Probably a combination. In the free ones, we'll have free ones, and you can rock out with a free one, and there's a little bit of advertising in it, and then we'll have the space of users who pays. One of the things we're experimenting with is just letting people turn off the ad. In Launch Ticker, we let the thousand people turn off the ads, and I think 10 of them or 20 of them took the time to do it. So you can turn the ads off technically by just clicking a button in your profile settings, and it turns out nobody does. People like to see the ads if they're targeted, so I think you can have your cake and eat it too. I think you can have a paid Vanity Fair, though with ads. So it's- Matt: That's a pretty cool idea because I guess if somebody clicked on that, you could. The paid for newsletter just simply doesn't come with ads. If you don't want to see ads in your email, just scrolling the headlines, just pay for it. I mean it's super easy, makes sense. Jason C.: I think like there's this group of people, like when Hulu came out with … I had a Hulu subscription for $10 bucks. It had ads. It was making me crazy because Netflix doesn't have ads and I'm paying $10 bucks for that. Then they made a $13 version that had no ads. I upgraded to that. I think there's probably like 20% of people are sensitive enough that they would pay the extra $3, an extra $36 a year. Then most people would not. In this day and age, I don't know you have to choose. I think it would be brilliant for Netflix to have a version where today, this Saturday, Mercedes is making Netflix free, and you can watch Orange is the New Black and all the original shows are free this Saturday, brought to you by Mercedes. You have to watch a Mercedes ad at the beginning and take a survey at the end. Mercedes could just make a Saturday Mercedes day on Netflix. Netflix gets all the people to download and sample the shows. They give them $10 million or $5 million for doing it. Like, just do one day a month where Netflix is free. It'd be great onboarding. Matt: Yeah, no absolutely. Jason, I can't thank you enough for taking the time to do this. Look, I am finally- Jason C.: Thanks for reading the book. Matt: Yeah, no problem. Jason C.: I appreciate it. I was like oh, you send a book to a lot of people, and they're like, “Yeah,” you know. I'm like, “What did you like about the book?” You actually have like specific moments in the book. You actually read it, so I really appreciate that. Matt: I actually thought you were gonna say, “How did this schmuck get the book?” Jason C.: No, it's- Matt: Listen, I am only a 10 minute flight away from Nantucket, so whenever you want to have a beer the next time you're in town, you let me know. Jason C.: Oh my gosh, so you're on the Cape somewhere or where? Matt: Yeah, I'm at Dartmouth, Mass. So it's just I hop anywhere to New Bedford, hop on the airline, it's about 10, 15 minutes in air. It's beautiful. Jason C.: I love that place. I love that place, yeah. No, no. Be careful. Matt: Where can folks find you on the web to say thanks? Jason C.: Oh, well Twitter. My Twitter handle is Jason, J-A-S-O-N, same with my Instagram. If you went to check out Inside.com, take a look. Angel, the book, is in stores now. If you tweet me your receipt, I will give you a unicorn number and a name. Matt: That is hilarious by the way. Jason C.: It's pretty hilarious. Yeah, like 300 people have done it, so we give them a unicorn name and a unicorn number, so you count up. We're gonna do 1,000 unicorn names for the first thousand people who tweet their receipts. We're 300 in, so that's good. Matt: Go grab the book, folks. Even if you're not considering angel investment, it's an amazing book to reverse engineer, to find those angel investors out there and get that money into your business. Try to scale. Stop being the development in the basement. Or be the developer in the basement if you want, but- Jason C.: Yeah, just add a zero. Matt: Just add a zero. Just add a zero. Jason C.: That's what I always tell my founders, like just add a zero. Then they add the zero, so I said, “Okay, let's add one more and we're done.” Matt: Oh, that's awesome stuff. It's MattReport.com, MattReport.com/subscribe to join the mailing list. Thanks everybody. 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Philip DeFranco is a popular YouTube and internet personality. He hosts "The Philip DeFranco Show" where news stories are discussed every Monday-Thursday.
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