Podcasts about Riesling

In this episode of Five Questions, we're joined by Chasity Cooper, a journalist, storyteller, and passionate voice in the wine industry. Chasity shares how she blends her love of writing with a deep appreciation for wine, bringing underrepresented voices and regions to the forefront of wine conversation.From the Finger Lakes to Traverse City, crisp white blends to dry Riesling, Chasity walks us through what she's drinking, what regions are worth your attention, and why jalapeños in Sauvignon Blanc may be helping new drinkers learn more about wine. She also opens up about travels to Bulgaria and a powerful story she wrote in the wake of the George Floyd tragedy, spotlighting the experiences and contributions of Black wine professionals.Topics covered:– How Chasity found her voice in wine media– What she's drinking this summer (hint: it's bright and zippy)– Two U.S. wine regions she says are flying under the radar– Jalapeño wine trends– Her most powerful wine writing experience—covering race and representation in the industry during the summer of 2020Chapters:00:00 Introduction to the Vent Wine Podcast00:19 Five Questions with Chastity Cooper00:27 Chastity's Relationship with Wine01:12 Current Wine Preferences01:55 Underrated Wine Regions03:07 Wine Trends Chastity Dislikes04:14 Memorable Wine Experiences05:31 Impactful Wine Stories07:20 Conclusion and ThanksThe Vint Wine Podcast is a production of the Vint Marketplace, your source for the highest quality stock of fine wines and rare whiskies. Visit www.vintmarketplace.com. To learn more about Vint and the Vint Marketplace, visit us at Vintmarketplace.com or email Billy Galanko at Billy@vintmarketplace.com. Cheers!

The Master Sommelier is a commitment to hospitality. So it makes you wonder what a young girl, who admittedly called herself lazy, would take on such a commitment. As life would have it, the challenges became clear to Stefanie Hehn, and each ladder rung became the next challenge. And I get it. I love hospitality. Here is her story on getting to the utmost revered  degree in the subject.   Stefanie Hehn—master sommelier extraordinaire from Hamburg's fabulous Fontenay Hotel—brings a whole philosophy to wine service that goes well beyond being just an order-taker. She tells her team their mission is to turn each guest into the superhero of their own wine story. That means memorable moments, not just pouring what's popular. From their conversation, we learn that German wine trends can be as surprising as a plot twist in a telenovela. Riesling's always beloved, but lately German Pinot Noir (Spätburgunder, for the wine geeks) is stealing the spotlight, with guest explorations into lesser-known varietals like Silvaner for adventurous diners. Stefanie is a champion of mixing the classics with hidden gems—she curates the hotel's wine list with both her guests' favorites and her personal discoveries from around the world. And just so you know, being a master sommelier isn't all swirling glasses and elegant pours—it takes a mountain of study, relentless passion, and sometimes the bravery to leave a steady job to pursue that next-level sommelier qualification. On the floor, Stefanie loves when guests give her some direction (“here's my budget, here's what we like!”), but she's also ready to whisk you away with a surprise pairing if you're up for the adventure. Whether people want to talk organic, biodynamic, orange wine, or good old Bordeaux, the most important ingredient is always to create a special, personal moment—that's what makes people come back (and maybe brag to their friends later). So, fancy a glass of Champagne, Pinot Noir, or perhaps a pink Pinot Grigio with a story? Stefanie's here to make sure you leave with a smile—and maybe a new favorite wine you've never heard of before. If you've got more specific questions about Stefanie's approach, the trends she's seeing, or German wine culture, just ask! #winepodcast #sommeliers #WineTalks #StefanieHehn #PaulKalemkiarian #Germanwine, #hospitality #MichelinStar #FontenayHotel #Riesling #PinotNoir #winepairing #winelover #wineeducation #wineindustry #finewine #winelist #organicwine #champagne #wineexperience #mastersommelier    

Bitte erlebt nur einmal Holger Schramm. Und Ihr erlebt einen Dirigenten der feinen Nuancen zwischen Mensch und Raum. Dann könnt ihr greifen, was man meint, wenn man einen Sommelier nicht als Page mit Weinkenntnissen tituliert, sondern als stillen Meister der Atmosphäre, ein Hüter des Weinmoments ansieht. Bei den Besten, wie Holger Schramm, ist sein Wesen unaufdringlich, aber unverkennbar präsent. Er tritt nie in den Vordergrund, doch ohne ihn wirkt der Abend wie ein Werk ohne Rahmen – egal ob im privaten Rahmen oder in einem stilvollen Restaurant. Und ja, Holgers Erscheinung ist makellos – visuell wie, das könnt Ihr beurteilen, akustisch –, nie aufdringlich und dennoch präsent. Holger Schramm ist ein unglaublicher Fachmensch mit einem tiefen Gespür für Timing, Takt und Temperament. Er ist kein Schwätzer, er spricht eher selten, doch wenn er spricht, dann mit Worten, die mehr tragen als Information: Rücksicht, Takt, Respekt – und oft mehr Gefühl als viele große Reden. Was ihn letztlich auszeichnet, ist seine Haltung zum Dienen: nicht unterwürfig, sondern aufrecht. Sein Wirken ist kein Handwerk, sondern ein leises Kunstwerk. Und – er weiß, was gebraucht wird, bevor es ausgesprochen wird. Nicht aus Hellseherei, sondern aus gelebter Empathie. Er liest Räume wie ein Meteorologe das Wetter, spürt Stimmungen, bevor sie kippen, balanciert mit einem Blick die fragile Architektur sozialer Gefüge aus – ob im Gespräch, beim Servieren eines Weins oder beim dezenten Zurücktreten im richtigen Moment. Seine Fachkenntnis ist gewaltig, aber nicht dominant. Er ist Gastgeber ohne Heim, Vertrauter ohne Nähe, Stimme ohne Lautstärke. Er denkt Sommelier in leisen Übergängen: Er merkt, wenn das Licht zu grell ist, der Wein zu warm, der Moment der Ansprache zu lang geworden. Er kennt den Rhythmus eines gelungenen Abends und weiß, wann man ihn beschleunigen oder abbremsen muss. Dabei nutzt er nicht die Mittel der Kontrolle, sondern die Kunst der Lenkung durch Vertrauen – ein Vertrauen, das auch durch Liebe zum Detail, durch gelebte Erfahrung und einen modernen Blick auf Beziehung entsteht. Holger Schramm verlässt den Raum, ohne dass man merkt, dass er gegangen ist – doch sobald er fehlt, spürt man, dass etwas nicht mehr ganz stimmt. Denn was er gibt, ist keine Dienstleistung. Es ist Präsenz, die trägt. Schweigen, das wärmt. Und eine Würde, die sich nicht in Worten erklären lässt, aber in jedem Detail fühlbar bleibt. Er ist, was viele gerne wären: ein perfekter Sommelier – geprägt durch Reisen, geprägt durch die Liebe zum Genuss, zur echten Begegnung, zum aufrichtigen Trinken, zum ehrlichen Essen und zur Tiefe im Miteinander. Eine gute Flasche Wein in seiner Hand wird nie zum bloßen Objekt, sondern zum stillen Symbol für all das, was im Zusammenspiel von Herz, Tradition, Business und Stil möglich ist – wenn man weiß, wie man Menschen berührt. Holger Schramm Restaurant Christophorus Porscheplatz 5 70435 Stuttgart Telefon: 07 11 9112 59 80 E-Mail: restaurant-christophorus@porsche.de Mit herzlichen Grußworten von: Bernhard Diers, Diers Kaffee Sternekoch und Wegbegleiter Renate Mildenberger Stammgäste und Freunde ------------------------------------- Diese Folge von SOMMELIER – Die interessantesten Mundschenke unserer Zeit wird begleitet von durch Silvio Nitzsche ausgewählte Weine aus dem Programm der Schlumberger Gruppe, zu der die Handelshäuser Schlumberger, Segnitz, Consigliovini und das Privatkundenportal Bremer Weinkolleg gehören. ------------------------------------- Sehr gerne empfehle ich die folgenden Weine: 2023 Mandus, Pietra Pura, Apulien, Italien Link für Geschäftskunden: https://is.gd/l1plPU Link für Privatkunden: https://is.gd/cMbIZw _____ It's not a SIN Himbeere & Gartenminze, Valckenberg, Rheinhessen, Deutschland Link für Geschäftskunden: https://is.gd/l1plPU Link für Privatkunden: https://is.gd/JMxD3A _____

This week's show features the Summerland Waterfront Resort and Spa, a family-friendly accommodation in the South Okanagan. Lisa Jaager, General Manager, joined us in inviting everyone to visit the resort and explaining why they see so many return visits yearly. We discuss wine with Christine Coletta, Co-Owner, Haywire Winery and Garnet Valley Ranch, about the positive atmosphere this year in the Okanagan, and she introduces some wines for us to taste, including the Haywire Switchback Pinot Gris 2021 and two stunning 2022 wines from Garnet Valley Ranch. We reconnect with Mason Spink, Winemaker at Dirty Laundry, to talk about his 2024 Riesling made with fruit from Yakima Valley in Washington State. Additionally, Sally Pierce, Executive Director of Destination Summerland, provides numerous reasons to spend more than a day exploring the greater Summerland area.

Die Etiketten auf den Weinflaschen sind klar und modern. Oben sieht man vier Buchstaben in rot: SA oben und direkt drunter RO. Hinter dem Kürzel steckt Sabrina Roth, die zusammen mit ihrem Partner Christian Kircher das Weingut Roth in Happenbach betreibt. Vor einem Abend mit Sabrina Roth ("Wein auf der Hauptstraße" bei Wein&fein) hatten Matthias Gräfe und uvs die Winzerin zum Podcast gebeten. Bei einem Glas Roth-Wein reden wir über Sabrinas Weg zur Winzerin, den behutsamen Ausbau des Familienbetriebs und die Weinphilosophie von Sabrina und Christian. Im Gespräch geht es um sortentypische Weißweine wie Riesling und Burgunder, aber auch um elegante Rotweine wie den Blaufränkisch aus dem Barrique. Das Ziel von Sabrina Roth: Weine mit Trinkfluss und Tiefe, die Spaß machen und Charakter zeigen.Mehr Infos bei den STIPvisiten![01:14] zu Gast: Sabrina Roth – aka SARO aus Württemberg[03:16] Erdkunde! Wo liegt Happenbach?[04:36] Arbeitsbeginn! im Glas: Der Roth[13:36] warum mehr weiß als rot?[23:50] Rotwein klassisch: Trollinger, Blaufränkisch, Spätburgunder[36:11] gibt's ne Aufteilung, wer draußen ist und wer im Keller? Von der Ausbildung ja, von der Praxis nein[49:15] Willkommen zum Wein auf der/in der Hauptstraße

In this episode, Kimberly and Tommaso share their experiences in Treviso, Italy, offering travel tips and historical insights. They explore Treviso's charm, cuisine, and proximity to other Italian destinations. Key Points: Treviso: An Unheralded Italian Gem: Treviso is near Venice, offering similar canals and architecture but with fewer tourists. Despite attracting hundreds of thousands of visitors, it remains less crowded than Venice. Treviso's blend of canals, medieval palaces and colorful facades create a visually appealing experience. Travel Tip: Photograph Everything: Document rental car damage with photos of the car, the other driver's information, and interactions with rental agencies. This precaution can help resolve potential disputes with rental car companies. Historical and Cultural Highlights: Porta San Tommaso: An ornate gate featuring the Venetian lion, showcasing the city's history. Fontana Delle Tette: The Fountain of Breasts, a sculpture that once spouted wine during the election of a new mayor, symbolizing the city's rich past. Cuisine and Wine of Treviso: Prosecco: The popular wine of the Veneto region, with vine-covered hills recognized as UNESCO World Heritage sites. Incrocio Manzoni: A local white wine similar to Riesling, enhancing the region's diverse wine offerings. Tiramisu: Treviso is the birthplace of tiramisu, first introduced on a menu in 1972 at the restaurant Le Becchiere. Episode Highlights: Memorable aperitivo experiences include both elegant settings under arcades and laid-back atmospheres. Treviso is a great base for visiting vineyards, Padova, Vicenza, Trieste, and the Dolomites. Staying in Treviso offers a less crowded and more authentic experience compared to Venice, especially in the off season.

This episode features a conversation with Scott Neal, the winemaker and owner at Coeur de Terre Vineyard in the Willamette Valley of Oregon. Along with his wife Lisa, they crafted a humble 57 cases in their inaugural 2002 vintage but have grown to making over 6000 cases a year of Pinot Noir, Chardonnay, Pinot Gris, Riesling, Syrah, and Sparkling wines from grapes grown on their estate vineyard in the McMinnville AVA. We talk a lot about geology in this episode because his wine style is focused on reflecting the time and place from which the grapes were grown by employing a gentle hand and allowing the grapes to express in their voice. In the vineyard, organic growing practices have been followed from the beginning in 1998 with a concentration on regenerative farming. The fun connection we discovered was that we both have roots in Minnesota - Scott grew up on a southern Minnesota farm from which he learned a strong work ethic as well as gained respect for the land and for the whims of Mother Nature. Scott, Lisa and their daughters, Abigail and Tallulah, live on the estate vineyard along with their dog Cici. You can visit www.cdtvineyard.com to learn about and order their wines, and you can follow @cdtvineyard on Instagram. Thank you to the Willamette Valley Wineries Association for connecting us when Pinot in the City came to Atlanta!Recorded June 9, 2025

In this episode of the Vint Wine Podcast, host Billy Galanko sits down with Cornelius Dönnhoff, one of Germany's most respected winemakers and the current steward of the iconic Weingut Dönnhoff in the Nahe. Known globally for crafting some of the world's most expressive Rieslings, Cornelius shares insight into the estate's 250-year history, its transition into a world-class winery under his father in the 1970s, and his own philosophy rooted in precision, restraint, and deep site expression.The conversation dives into the nuances of Nahe terroir, how it differs from the Mosel and Rheingau, and why the region's diverse soils make it a playground for single-vineyard Riesling. Cornelius also explains how each site finds its identity—whether destined for Kabinett, Grosses Gewächs, or Spätlese—and why minimal intervention in the cellar allows nature to speak through the wine.From the complexities of managing 32 hectares across 10 unique sites to the unpredictability of frost, rot, and climate change, this is an essential episode for lovers of Riesling, German wine, and vineyard-first winemaking.

Margaret River is only one of the nine regions in Western Australia but is the most popular and most famous of the regions. Margaret River is also somewhat unique in that it is a peninsula bordered on three sides by the ocean. The area has a temperate maritime climate because of the ocean's proximity. Western Australia accounts for only 5% of Australia's wine production, but accounts for 30% of its award-winning wine. Western Australia is the second-oldest wine region in Australia. However, most of the wine was coming from Swan Valley which is located just north of Perth, and is one of the warmest wine regions in the world (warmest region in Australia). Swan Valley was responsible for 90% of Western Australia's wine in 1970, 59% by 1980, and 15%. The percentage of wine production from Swan Valley is still declining.Margaret River is known mostly for its Cabernet Sauvignon, Chardonnay, Semillon, Sauvignon Blanc, and Chenin Blanc. Other wines from Western Australia include Shiraz and Riesling from the Great Southern and Frankland River GI's. Tonight, we are enjoying two white wines including:2021 Howard Park Margaret River Miamup Cabernet Sauvignon. This wine was purchased from Wine Styles for $23.75, but I saw it online for upper teens. It received a 92 rating from the Wine Enthusiast. It has aromas of dark cherries, dried mint and tobacco; with textured tannins and nice acidity. At the tasting the flavor got slightly lost in its power but should improve in next couple of years. Decanter gave the wine a 91 and says. Smells of cassis and dried herbs, supple tannins and ripe fruit. Aged 18 months in oak. 100% Cabernet Sauvignon. Drinking window 2023-2026. Fermented in stainless steel tanks then stored in Barriques and Barrels 20% new and 80% used French for 18 months. 5.7 g/L acidity - 3.54 pH - 0.5 g/L RS - 14.5% alcohol. 2019 Joel Gott 815 Cabernet Sauvignon. This wine was purchased from Costco for $12.49, but I saw that it typically sells closer to $16.00. James Suckling gave this wine a 90 rating, and says aromas of blackcurrants, blackberries, dark cherries, olives, licorice and dried thyme. Medium body with fine tannins. Juicy and savory. Wine Folley - Nose of black cherries and blackberries with notes of clove and brown sugar. Tastes of dark fruit, velvety tannins, vanilla on the long finish. The wine was aged in oak for 18 months in 25% new american oak. Fermented and aged by lots. Lots are blended after aging. This drinks through 2025 so should look for newer vintages. 5.8 g/L TA - 3.74 pH - 1.5 g/L RS - 13.9% alcohol.These wines were similar, but with subtle differences that expressed the two regions. The Napa wine being more fruit forward and having a great deal of vanilla from the American Oak. The Margaret River was brighter, a little toward the red fruit, with more earthiness. Denise loved both wines and gave them both a 4. I also liked both wines, but felt the Joel Gott 815 was a little too much fruit and vanilla. I found the Margaret River wine to be a little more balanced. I gave the Napa a 3 and the Margaret River a 4. It really depends on the type of wine you prefer. Enjoy!Next week we will have a hybrid spotlight, and feature the white wine Vignoles.

Unsere Folgen sind nicht selten ungewöhnlich lang. Das hat seinen Grund: Wir möchten den Tiefsinn fließen lassen und Euch unsere Gesprächspartner so präsentieren, wie Ihr sie sonst nie – und vielleicht nie wieder – kennenlernen könnt. Und um Euch die Scheu zu nehmen, die man verspürt, wenn man einen über drei Stunden langen Zeitstempel sieht, aber auch, um Euch so richtig Lust auf den Kandidaten zu machen, präsentieren wir Euch immer einen Tag vor dem Release einen exklusiven Sneak in die neue Folge. Viel Spaß beim Hören, und wir freuen uns auf Euch mit einem herzlichen „Welcome back“ am Freitag. Das Format: SOMMELIER – Die interessantesten Weinkellner unserer Zeit wird produziert und verantwortet von der: Weinklang GmbH Silvio Nitzsche Bergahornweg 10 01328 Dresden silvio@sommelier.website und wird freundlichst unterstützt und begleitet von der Schlumberger-Gruppe mit den Handelshäusern: Schlumberger Segnitz Consigliovini sowie dem Privatkundenportal Bremer Weinkolleg

Riesling is the signature wine of Germany, but many casual wine drinkers have less familiarity with other German styles or with the country's wine regions. For this episode, importer Stephen Bitterolf of vom Boden (Instagram: @vomboden) helps demystify German wines and takes us on a tour of some of the country's producers, including Shelter, Seehof, Moritz Kissinger, Hild, and Vollenweider.    Radio Imbibe is the audio home of Imbibe magazine. In each episode, we dive into liquid culture, exploring the people, places, and flavors of the drinkscape through conversations about cocktails, coffee, beer, spirits, and wine. Keep up with us at imbibemagazine.com, and on Instagram, Threads, and Facebook, and if you're not already a subscriber, we'd love to have you join us—click here to subscribe. 

In this episode of Five Questions from the Vint Wine Podcast, we sit down with Cornelius Dönnhoff, head of the iconic Weingut Dönnhoff in Germany's Nahe region. Cornelius shares insights into his Riesling-focused estate, his minimalist approach to winemaking, and how he strives to capture the essence of each vineyard site. He reflects on memorable vintages like the challenging 2006 and the ideal 2015, discusses the global wines that inspire him (from Georgian traditionals to Australian trailblazers), and shares his thoughts on cork vs. screwcap closures for Riesling. Whether you're a longtime admirer of Dönnhoff wines or just discovering them, this five-question format offers a personal glimpse into one of Germany's top estates.Topics Covered:The philosophy behind Dönnhoff's site-expressive RieslingsWhy 2015 and 2006 were unforgettable vintagesThoughts on screwcap vs. cork for Riesling agingGlobal inspirations from Georgia, New Zealand, and beyondWhat's next for Weingut DönnhoffTime stamps:00:00 Introduction to Vent Wine Podcast00:19 Welcome to Five Questions00:43 Meet Cornelius Donoff00:51 Vineyard Location and Varieties01:28 Philosophy of Donoff Wines02:09 Inspirations and Influences03:22 Perspectives on Wine Closures04:14 Memorable Vintages06:09 Future of Donoff Winery06:39 ConclusionThe Vint Wine Podcast is a production of the Vint Marketplace, your source for the highest quality stock of fine wines and rare whiskies. Visit www.vintmarketplace.com. To learn more about Vint and the Vint Marketplace, visit us at Vintmarketplace.com or email Brady Weller at brady@vint.co, or Billy Galanko at Billy@vintmarketplace.com. Cheers!

When you hear “Riesling,” do you still think syrupy sweet? If so, you're not alone, but you're definitely missing out.  In this episode, Amanda and Wine Access experts Eduardo Dingler and Laura Koffer set the record straight on one of the world's most versatile yet vexing grapes. They unpack Riesling's reputation in the US, share tips on how to decode sweetness levels, and reveal where (outside Germany) you should look for great Riesling. Oh, and for those who love everything from oysters and sushi to spicy noodles and summertime salads, they get into why Riesling might just be the GOAT when it comes to food pairings!

Can hybrid grapes revolutionize the wine world? Adam Huss — Host of the Beyond Organic podcast and Co-owner of Centralas Cellars breaks down what a hybrid truly is, explaining how traditional breeding — and nature itself — has long crossed grape species. With over 70 grape species worldwide, today's modern hybrids are the result of generations of crossing, backcrossing, and innovation. We explore the impact of WWII on agriculture, France's ban on hybrids in appellation wines, and why developing new hybrids is critical for disease resistance, flavor discovery, and more sustainable farming. Plus, Adam shares insights into trialing the “married vine” system — a potential game-changer for soil health, pest management, and flavor expression. Resources:         135: Cold Hardiness of Grapevines 217: Combating Climate Chaos with Adaptive Winegrape Varieties 227: Andy Walkers' Pierces Disease-Resistant Grapes are a Success at Ojai Vineyard Adam Huss – LinkedIn Centralas Organic Wine Podcast South Central Los Angeles Couple Opens New Winery Dedicated to Organic Values, Transparency, Inclusion Wine's F- Word Vineyard Team Programs: Juan Nevarez Memorial Scholarship - Donate SIP Certified – Show your care for the people and planet   Sustainable Ag Expo – The premiere winegrowing event of the year Vineyard Team – Become a Member Get More Subscribe wherever you listen so you never miss an episode on the latest science and research with the Sustainable Winegrowing Podcast. Since 1994, Vineyard Team has been your resource for workshops and field demonstrations, research, and events dedicated to the stewardship of our natural resources. Learn more at www.vineyardteam.org.   Transcript [00:00:03] Beth Vukmanic: Welcome to Sustainable Wine Growing with Vineyard Team, where we bring you the latest in science and research for the wine industry. I'm Beth Vukmanic, Executive Director [00:00:13] In today's podcast, Craig Macmillan, critical resource manager at Niner Wine Estates with longtime SIP Certified Vineyard in the first ever. SIP Certified Winery speaks with Adam Huss, host of the Beyond Organic Podcast and co-owner of Centralis Cellars. [00:00:32] Adam breaks down what a hybrid truly is, explaining how traditional breeding and nature itself has long crossed grape species with over 70 grape species worldwide. Today's modern hybrids are the result of generations of crossing, backcrossing, and innovation. [00:00:50] We explore the impact of World War II on agriculture, France's ban on hybrids and Appalachian wines, and why developing new hybrids is critical for disease resistance, flavor discovery, and more sustainable farming. [00:01:03] Plus, Adam shares insights into trialing the married vine system, a potential game changer for soil health, pest management, and flavor expression. [00:01:12] When Lizbeth didn't get into nursing school on her first try, she could have given up. Instead, she partnered with her mentor Alex, to make a new plan, attend classes part-time, build up her resume and get hands-on hospital work experience. Now Lizbeth has been accepted into Cuesta College's nursing program and her dream of becoming a nurse is back on track. [00:01:36] Lizbeth is a Vineyard Team, Juan Nevarez Memorial Scholar. You can help more students like her who are the children of Vineyard and winery workers reach their dreams of earning a degree by donating to the Juan Nevarez Memorial Scholarship. Just go to vineyardteam.org/donate. [00:01:53] Now let's listen in. [00:01:58] Craig Macmillan: Our guest today is Adam Huss. He is the host of the Beyond Organic Podcast and also co-owner of Centralis Winery in Los Angeles, California. And today we're gonna talk about hybrid grape varieties. Welcome to the podcast, Adam. [00:02:11] Adam Huss: Thanks, Craig. I really appreciate it. Thanks for having me. [00:02:17] Craig Macmillan: So let's just start with the basics. What are hybrid grape varieties? [00:02:22] Adam Huss: I should also say I'm a fan of your podcast as well, so it's really fun to be here. [00:02:26] Craig Macmillan: Thank you. Thank you. [00:02:28] Adam Huss: Been listening for a while. So hybrids, I mean, it's really simple. It's funny, I see stuff on Instagram sometimes where people just are so misinformed and they think that, you know, hybrid means like GMO or something like that. [00:02:41] A hybrid simply is just, you take pollen from grape X, you put it on flowers from grape y, and if those two grapes are from different species, you have a hybrid. If they're from the same species, you just have a cross, and this is something that has been part of traditional breeding since forever. It's also what happens naturally in the wild. [00:03:00] Or I hate, I actually just use two words I try not to use at all, which is like natural and wild, but in forests and streams forests and backyards without human intervention, these pollen get exchanged by wind and everything else and have led to, you know, some of the more. Old popular varieties of grapes that are, considered hybrids that we know of now, like Norton and Isabella and Kaaba. [00:03:23] Nobody actually crossed them. They just happened. So yeah, that's, that's a hybrid. It's very simple. [00:03:29] Craig Macmillan: That's what they are, what aren't they and what are some of the myths surrounding them? [00:03:33] Adam Huss: yeah, great question. You can't generalize about hybrids. Generally speaking. So that's really important thing for people to wrap their heads around, which is because. You know, we'll get into this, but so much, so many hybrids are, and just hybrids in general, are wrapped up in prejudice because we live in this sort of viniferous centric wine world. [00:03:56] You know, , those of us who are in wine, but there, you just can't generalize. The qualities of hybrids are just like humans. Like it depends on what your parents are. You know, you, you get different things every time you mix 'em up and you're not like your brother or sister. If you have a sibling, you know you're gonna be different from them even though you have the same parents. [00:04:13] So that's the same thing happens with grapes. There's genetic diversity and mutation happens and. For hybrids, , the possibilities, the potentials are literally infinite. It's pretty incredible to know that possibility exists. There are over 70 species of grapes on earth besides vitus vara, and if you cross any of those two varieties, yeah, you'll get a genetic cross that's 50 50 of, of two different species. [00:04:40] But that. Within that you could do that cross again and get a different variety of grape, even with the same cross. So it's just amazing. [00:04:51] The modern hybrids that are now out there are. Often multi-species crosses and have been crossed. Generationally again and again and back crossed and recrossed. And so, you know, I was just looking at a hybrid grape that had five species of grapes in its family tree. I mean, there are family trees that would make the royals blush, honestly, in some of these hybrids. [00:05:11] So it's not, it's not something that is just, can be just said. You can say one thing about it or that. And, and the idea of hybridizing doesn't imply anything at all, really, like it is just this process that happens that we've been doing for a long time. This might be a good thing to dispel some of the prejudices. [00:05:34] You know, something like the word foxy often gets thrown around when we start talking about hybrids. I did a whole podcast about this what's really interesting, I just brought this word up to a, a young couple here in LA who are growing grapes and they, they had no idea what I was talking about. [00:05:49] So that's kind of encouraging. Like in, in the younger generations, these prejudices and some of these words that we inherited from the last century , are dying out truly. Which is great, but it still persists and you still hear it a lot and. If anybody goes online and researches some of these grapes, so much of the information available online is actually still misinformation and prejudiced because it comes from this vinifirous centric culture. [00:06:15] And so it's really important for people to understand that like foxy is not what it sounds like. It sounds like it would be this animalistic, musky, maybe scent gland tinged aroma, flavor thing, but. If you taste the grapes that are known as foxy and you go, you know, start researching this by tasting, you'll find that it's actually kind of delicious. [00:06:37] It's usually fruity and you know, candy like strawberry raspberry flavors. And for those of us in the US. It's often something we associate with Grapiness because of Welchs. And the flavors of Welchs, which come from the Concord grape, which is a Foxy grape, are these grapey flavors that we grew up with. [00:06:57] This sense of like grape candy and stuff like that. And that's a lot of times what you find in these, but again, it depends a lot on. The level of the compounds that are in that specific hybrid. Again, you can't, you can't generalize. And just like with anything, if you mix different compounds together, you'll get these nuances and you might have some of that flavor or aroma, but it'll be blended with other things. [00:07:17] And so it takes on new characteristics. So it's way more complex than just thinking like a. All grapes that are hybridized are foxy. That's absolutely not true. Or that foxy is this monolithic thing or that foxy is bad. None of those are true. And then really the other thing to realize is in. Grapes in the native North American varieties of species of grapes. [00:07:41] There's really only one that has been used traditionally in grape breeding and hybridization that has these flavors. And that's Vitus labrusca. It just happened to be used quite a bit because it's endemic to the East coast where a lot of the Europeans who started all this breeding were living and, and it was, you know, very readily apparent in the forest of the East coast. [00:07:59] So that. Got used a lot and it's also got a lot of great qualities of fungal resistance and stuff like that. Muscadine is the other grape that has it, but it's got a different genetic structure so it doesn't get crossed a lot or hybridized a lot. [00:08:11] Craig Macmillan: So like, what are the advantages of hybrids where you take vinifira and you cross it with a Native American indigenous grape? What are the benefits? [00:08:21] Adam Huss: Yeah. Another great question. Just , the historical perspective on this is really important. I think. So, you know, Europeans came here a couple hundred years ago, and eventually they brought some of their favorite plants over, one of which were their grapes. And what they noticed right away is that their grapes, I. [00:08:38] Suffered and died without exception, just across the board. Anything they brought over grape wise just kept dying, kept dying. You know, many people tried for a century at least, you know, including people like Thomas Jefferson, people with enormous amounts of resources, and they just failed. They failed to grow these grapes. [00:08:56] Meanwhile, you know, these things like. Norton, this, these hybridized grapes started developing and people noticed like, oh, this grape, it's crossing with some of , the local varieties and it's doing really well. So they began to realize, like they didn't know then that part of, one of the benefits that you get is phylloxera resistance, for example. [00:09:16] But that was a big one and came to save, you know, Europe's wine industry at the end of the 19th century. But also you have these grapes that . Evolved with the fungal pathogens of this, of these climates of North America and other places around the planet. So they've developed resistance and tolerance for all these things. [00:09:38] And so when you cross them with vinifira, you get some of the desirable characteristics that you might like from Vera, and hopefully you'll get some of that, you know, hardiness and fungal resistance and some of the other, just. General benefits of having hybridized interesting new flavors and characteristics [00:09:56] Craig Macmillan: have you seen some examples of this in your, in your travels? [00:10:01] Adam Huss: the fungal resistance and things like [00:10:03] Craig Macmillan: resistance or Pierces disease resistance or anything like that. [00:10:07] Adam Huss: Oh yeah. I mean, I. Whew, so many. I mean, the fact that people can grow grapes organically in Vermont for example, relies almost entirely on hybrids. You know, first of all, they have extremely cold winters there. They have extremely wet, hot, humid summers there. And if you try to grow vinifera there the only way to do it is with chemicals and, and a lot of heartache and, and high risk agriculture. [00:10:35] But here we have somebody like Matt Niess, who's working entirely with hybrids, with his winery, north American Press, and basically he's not using any sprays in any of his vineyards in here in California because these. These grapes have genetics that developed for resistance to the fungal pathogens of the East Coast. [00:10:55] And so you bring them to this nice dry, you know, Mediterranean climate, they're just like, they're crazy. They're like you know, they're, you can basically spray free now. I mean, some people have a problem with zero sprays because they don't want things to develop, but he has a 70-year-old baco noir vineyard, for example, that's in like a wet region in Sonoma that. [00:11:18] He has never sprayed and it's pumping out grapes and looking beautiful every year. And the really interesting thing about it's, there are some inter plantations of vinfiera in that like somebody. Planted something. Maybe it was Pinot Noir in with the Baco. It's like one every, you know, like there's only a few, a handful of these scattered throughout the acre of the Baco noir, and you can tell which ones those are every year because they're just decimated by mildew by the end of the year, whereas the Baco is just spotless and beautiful. [00:11:46] So that's a really like obvious, [00:11:49] Craig Macmillan: What are the wines like? The bako noir? I've never had a bako noir. [00:11:53] Adam Huss: Oh, his wines. Well, so Baco is nice. It's, I mean, it's higher acid. It's almost like a high acid. Gosh, I don't know what, it's hard. I, I, I hate to go down the rabbit hole of like trying to compare it to a vinifira, but it is unique. But it's a deep red almost interior, like with deep purple, higher acid flavors, but pretty balanced, really luscious. Dark fruited flavors maybe a little. Like Syrah, like meatiness, there may be a touch. You might find that it depends on the year. He's had a couple different vintages, so it's been really interesting to see. I'm, I'm kinda like loving following that year by year, seeing the vintage variation and what. [00:12:35] Different things come out because nobody's really doing this. Nobody's, nobody's experimenting with these. So we don't really know how they'll do in, in California other than what he's doing. And just a couple other growers. But he also this year introduced awba for the first time back into California. [00:12:50] The last catawba Vines were ripped out of California in like the sixties, and he, planted some and finally was able to harvest a crop this year and released what was once. California, I mean, the America's most popular wine from the Ohio River Valley is sparkling catawba, and it's like pink and just delicious, beautiful, beautiful stuff. [00:13:10] If I can step back, I think a lot of the discussion of hybrids, again, comes from this perspective of vinifira culture and how do we. Help vinifera become better. How do we use these hybrids as a tool to help, you know, this sort of vinifira centric culture? But I, I would, I'd like to reframe it. [00:13:31] I think a better way to look at this is hybridization is kind of just what we always do with agriculture. It's how you evolve and adapt your agriculture. Ecologically in the absence of modern chemistry that we have. So like before World War ii, and part of, and this is part of the history, France's history too, is like, you know, we had RA decimating their, their vineyards as well as. , we didn't just bring phylloxera back from North America, we brought BlackRock, Downey mildew, powdery mildew. So , their vines were just like dying. Like they were just dying. And so there was this urgent need and a lot of the hybridization, a lot of, some of our, you know, hybrids like Save El Blanc and things like that. [00:14:15] Came from French breeders who were just trying to save the French wine industry. Like they just wanted to have wine, let alone vinifira. You know, it was that. It was pretty bad at the end of that set, you know? And so they developed these new things and then we, you know, things like Isabella and catawba and things like that were coming over from North America, some of our hybrids that came from here, and pretty soon they had these really productive, really hardy vines with new, interesting flavors that. [00:14:41] People kinda liked 'cause they are like fruity and delicious and interesting and new and, and if you're a farmer and you have less inputs and you get a more productive, like higher yields on your vine, like, it's just kind of a no-brainer. And so people were just planting these things. They really were taking off. [00:14:59] And in 1934, the French were like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Like our, our, first of all, our. Ancient vinifera cultures are going to be completely diluted, but second of all, we're gonna devalue the market 'cause we're gonna have all this like, it's too abundant, you know? So they made, in 1934, they made hybrids illegal in the French Appalachians. [00:15:17] And so that legacy is something that still sticks with us. Of course then World War II happened and we. Didn't really pay much attention to wine at all 'cause we were just trying to survive. But once World War II was over and the the war machine transferred into the pesticide and industrial agricultural machine, the French realized they could keep Vera alive on root stocks of American hybrids or American native varieties by spraying them with these new novel chemistry chemicals. [00:15:49] And so then they started enforcing the ban on hybrids because they could, and they knew they could have the, this alternative. And so that's when you saw like they had their own sort of version of reefer madness where you, you saw a lot of misinformation and hyperbole and outright propaganda and lies about these, these grapes because they were trying to get them out of French vineyards. [00:16:10] It's important to realize that Ban the EU just lifted the ban on hybrids in Appalachian wine in 2021. So it's kind of not surprising that some of these prejudices and misinformation still persist today. We're not too far away from that. I. [00:16:26] Craig Macmillan: And, and why was the band lifted? Do you know? [00:16:30] Adam Huss: That's a great question. It's, it was lifted for ecological reasons because they're realizing these are really important to dealing with climate change. This is like, if you want a sustainable industry, you need to be able to adapt. When you're inside this, this world of vinifira, what I call the vinifira culture, which is, you know, very centered on Vera. [00:16:50] You don't realize how strange it is. You know, it's kind of like growing up with a, a weird family, you know? It's all you know, so you don't know how strange they are until you start seeing the rest of the world. But to think that, you know, 50 years ago we just decided that maybe like. 10 grapes were the pinnacle of viticultural achievement for all time, and we've basically invested all of our energies into, you know, propagating those around the planet and preserving them at all costs is kind of strange when you think about the whole history of agriculture. [00:17:20] And it's really only possible because of cheep fossil fuels and the novel chemistry that we. Have put into our systems. And so if you take those out, if you start thinking ecologically about how do you develop a wine system, I mean the question is like, does it make sense when farming in a world where the only constant is change and we just live in a dynamic world, does it make sense to try to do everything you can to prevent change? [00:17:45] Like is prevention of change like a good strategy? And so I think, you know, diversity and adaptation are. What have always worked, you know, historically through agriculture, and that's kind of the future. I mean, in a real sense, vinifera culture is the past and hybrids are the future. If we want to have a future, there's my enthusiastic, [00:18:09] Craig Macmillan: Well, I'd like you to expand a little bit more on that. 'cause we we have a group of hybrids that are well known or are commonly used. I've, I've been hearing about Marquette a lot more, um, As having a lot of potential WW. What does that future potentially look like and what are some things that would have to happen for that potential to be realized? [00:18:31] Adam Huss: So we have invested, you know, millions of dollars in time and energy and even policy into developing, , the chemicals that we now use to support our, viticulture. And to make it possible in places like Virginia, where, you know, they're developing a whole wine industry there around vinifira in a climate that is, you know, like I said, that was the climate that like Thomas Jefferson failed for and everyone else for hundreds of years failed to grow it there. [00:18:59] If we invested that same amount of time and energy and money into breeding programs and into. Research for the kinds of things that we're now discovering, like DNA markers so that we can have DNA marker assisted breeding. So you're, you're speeding up the breeding process by sometimes two, three years. [00:19:19] Which is, which is significant in a process that can take, you know, 10 to 20 years that any, any little bit helps. So that kinda stuff and just more of it, more private breeders, making it more valuable for private breeders. I always think it's really interesting that like billionaires would rather just do another sort of like cult. [00:19:39] Ego, Napa cab investment, you know, rather than like breed their own personal variety of grape that nobody else could have. I mean, I'm not recommending that, but like, to me that seems really interesting as an idea. You could just have your own proprietary grape variety if you wanted to, you know, but nobody's thinking that way. [00:19:58] But I would say breeding, putting our, our time and energy into breeding not new varieties is, . Really important and, and working with the ones that are already there, I mean. The only reason California's so such strangers to them is because it's so easy to grow here. You know, we're relatively speaking and I get that. [00:20:15] I mean, you know, people like what they like and, and change is hard and market conditions are what they are. But I think we're at a point where. Marking conditions are changed. Like I said, you know, this young couple I was just talking to don't, don't have never even heard the word foxy. And so I think there's a lot more openness to just what's in the glass. Now. [00:20:35] Craig Macmillan: So some. Of it's messaging. If we can have wines that people can taste and do it in a context that's new to them. So there may be an opportunity here with newer wine drinkers or younger wine drinkers potentially, is what it sounds like to me. [00:20:48] Adam Huss: Yeah, and I. I mean, some of this is also realizing all the different ways that hybrids are already being used and could be used. Like, you know, we know you mentioned Pierce's disease. Pierce's disease is this disease that's endemic to California and is heading north. I mean, it's really on the threshold of all of the major wine regions of, of California. [00:21:11] And the only ways . To stop it without hybrids, without resistant hybrids are, are pretty intense. You know, it's like eliminating habitat through, , basically creating a sterile medium of your vineyard and then spraying with insecticides, you know some, sometimes pretty intense insecticides. [00:21:29] The alternative though is there are now multiple varieties of grapes that are. Resistant to them that are tolerant to it so they, they can carry the bacteria, but it won't affect the health of the vine. Those were bred, some of them here, right here in California at uc Davis. And yet if you go to the University of California Agricultural Network Resources page that, you know, kind of handles all the IPM for California, sort of like the resource. [00:21:56] And if you read about Pierce's disease, it makes zero mention of using tolerant. Varieties as a management strategy. And it makes no mention that there are even are tolerant varieties to Pierce's disease as a management strategy. So just that kind of stuff is the shift that has to happen. 'cause it just shows how vinifera centric our entire industry is, like from the top down, even when there are these great strategies that you can use and start implementing to combat these things, ecologically versus chemically. [00:22:25] They're not there, you know, they're not being mentioned. So just little things like that would go a long way. Also, you know, I mean, one of my fun little facts is like. There are already hybrids being used significantly, like probably everybody on who's listening to this has, if you've bought a bottle of wine at a grocery store that was under 20 bucks, you've probably drunk hybrids because 10,000 acres of ruby red is grown in California to make mega purple and mega purples. Pretty much in every, like, you know, mass produced under $20 bottle of wine and it's got esra, Vitus, esra in it. So you've probably been drinking hybrids and not even known about it. [00:23:04] In terms of these Andy Walker hybrids, I do have a little that which were bred for Pierce's disease resistance. I also have kind of a fun story in that I, as you know, like we've, we've both talked to Adam Tolmach, who replanted a whole block that he lost to Pierce's disease with these hybrid varieties, and these are designed specifically to retain a lot of vinifira characteristics. They're like 97% back crossed to be. vinifira and 3% with Vitus, Arizona to have that Pierce's disease resistant specifically. So they don't have a lot of the other benefits that like a higher percentage of North American native varieties would have. Like they, they're still susceptible to powdery mildew and other mildew pretty, pretty intensely, [00:23:44] but just in terms of flavor for anybody who's out there. So I've, I've barrel tasted with Adam. Tasted each of those varieties individually out a barrel. And then we went to his tasting room and tried all of his wines and, and got to, and then he, instead of keeping, he has two red hybrid varieties, two white hybrid varieties, and he blends them and makes a, you know, a, a red blend and a white blend that he calls a state red and state white. [00:24:09] And we went to his tasting room and he makes beautiful wine. All of his wines are great, but no joke. Everybody in my party. Preferred the hybrids to like all of his pinots or raw chardonnay, I mean, I have no idea why. I mean, but, and that's just anecdotal, obviously nothing scientific, but the very least I can say the, the flavors are exciting and delicious. [00:24:29] Right. [00:24:30] Craig Macmillan: If you can get them in front of the consumer, [00:24:33] Adam Huss: Yeah. [00:24:33] Craig Macmillan: the key. That's really the key. [00:24:35] Adam Huss: Right, right, [00:24:36] Craig Macmillan: And for, your own wine making. Are you making wine from hybrids for yourself? [00:24:40] Adam Huss: Not yet just 'cause there are, there just aren't any in California very much, you know, I mean, it's like little patches here and little patches there. And the people that have them are using them for themself, you know, for their own growing. They've grown them specifically you know, Camus has planted some of these Andy Walker hybrids along their riparian corridors to prevent Pierce's disease. [00:24:58] Those varieties specifically are being used. I don't know if they're blending those in. With like their cab or whatever. I honestly think they could, but I don't know if they are. They're probably, I dunno what they're doing with them, but I do grow them here in Los Angeles and I'm, but they're, you know, it's like I'm trying out a bunch of different things, partly just to see how they do, because, you know, they haven't been grown here. [00:25:21] They were developed for colder, wetter climates and so, you know what, how will they grow here in Los Angeles? There's a lot of unanswered questions for some of these. [00:25:30] Craig Macmillan: You and I were chatting before the interview and you have a, a new project that you're very. Excited about tell us a little bit about that, because I thought that was pretty cool. [00:25:39] Adam Huss: Yeah. Thanks. So this past summer, my wife and I finalized the acquisition of this farm in upstate New York that I'm going to develop into a. Married Vine Vida Forestry Demonstration and Research Project. And, and married vines, essentially vines growing with living trees. [00:26:02] But the best way to think about it is if you know the three Sisters of Agriculture, the corn, beans and squash idea, where you plant these. This guild of, of a Polyculture guild, and they have these symbiotic stacking benefits and productivity. This is what a married vine polyculture is for perennial agriculture. And so I don't just see it as vine and tree, but also vine and tree, and then a ground cover and or small shrubs or things like that that are also perennials planted in a guild together to create these stacking benefits and productivity. [00:26:35] Multiple productivity layers as well as making it a grable system because the vines will be up in trees and and we're gonna call it the Beyond Organic Wine Forest Farm. [00:26:47] Craig Macmillan: So gimme some more detail on this. So like, what are the other plants that are in the forest and how are the vines, what's the spacing like? How, how many trees per vine or vine per tree? [00:27:01] How is the vine trellis? Um, I just, I'm really curious about this idea because this goes back to very, very ancient times. [00:27:09] Adam Huss: Yes. Yeah, yeah, [00:27:09] Craig Macmillan: Uh, that I've read about. I've never seen evidence of it, but I have been told that going back to like Roman times, they would plant grapevines, interplant with things like olives, [00:27:18] Adam Huss: yeah, yeah. Yeah. And [00:27:20] Craig Macmillan: use the olive as a trails. [00:27:22] I mean, is this the, is this the same kind of concept? [00:27:24] Adam Huss: You can see some of this still in Italy. So even pre roam the Etruscan times is what the oldest versions of this that are still visible in Campania, just north of Napoli, I think is the largest married vine system that is still in production. And I think it's about, it might be about 34 hectares of this variety where they have elm trees. That are really tall, full sized elm trees. [00:27:51] And then between them they sort of have wires or ropes between the trees and the vines grow up like up 15 meters. Like it's crazy. Like the guys that harvest this, they have like specially designed ladders that are built for their stance so that they can like lock into these 18 meter ladders and be up there like with a little pulley and a bucket, and they're lowering grapes down from way up in the end. [00:28:14] And you get. So many cool things about that, you know, the, the ripeness and the PHS of the grapes change, the higher you go up in that system. , the thinking is they might have even been used to like. Just inhibit invading armies because , it's like a wall of vines and trees that create like almost a perimeter thing. [00:28:33] That that's also how they're being used in Portugal, they are sort of like if you have a little parcel of land, you use trees and vines to create like a living fence keep your domestic animals inside. And animals that might eat them outside and protect, you know, from theft and things like that. [00:28:51] Keep all your crops in a little clo, like a little controlled area. There are old systems where. They're more like feto systems where they were using maple trees and just pollarding them at, at about head height. And every year, every year or two, they would come in and clip off all the new growth and feed it to the livestock. [00:29:10] And meanwhile, the vines were festooned between the, the maple trees is like, you know, just like a garland of, of grapevine. So there's a lot of different things. And what I wanna do is trial several of them. One of the most. Interesting ones that I just saw in whales uses living willows, where you literally just stick a willow slip in the ground, bend it over to the next one that's about a meter and a half away and attach it. [00:29:35] And so you have these arched willow branches that grow once you stick 'em in the ground. They start growing roots and they create like a head high trellis, like a elevated trellis system, and you plant vines in them. And, and it literally looks just like. Like a row of grapevines that you would find here, except the, the trellis is alive and there's no wires and, and you prune the tree when you prune the vine in the winter, you know? [00:29:58] And Willow, I, I don't know if you know, but the, the other interesting thing about that is like willow has been used historically that the salicylic acid is known. Obviously that's aspirin and stuff like that. That's where we get, you know, one of our oldest like pain relievers and things like that. [00:30:12] But. It's used in biodynamic preps as well as an antifungal. And so there's some thought that like this system could be really beneficial to the vines growing with those. Specifically for that, like for antifungal properties or just creating a, you know, showering the vines with this, this salicylic acid thing that will help them grow and have health throughout the season without, with, again, reduced need for sprays of anything. [00:30:37] Craig Macmillan: Yeah, and that was why I brought it up is because there's the idea of working with the natural ecology of what's in the germ plasm of native plants. I. Mixing with an import plant. [00:30:51] And then there's the other way of looking at it and saying, well, what, what about recreating the conditions under which this plant that has evolved in the first place? And I, I just think that there's really fascinating concept. It's really intriguing to me. [00:31:05] yeah. And there's so many different ways you could do it, and that's why it's interested in what you're planning on doing, because there's obviously a lot of ways you could do it. [00:31:11] Adam Huss: Yeah, I wanna experiment with several. Like you said, the, the soil benefits are incredible potentials. And then when you're also thinking about what do I do besides just vines and trees, and I mean, the other thing is like. How does it make the wine taste? Like if you plant a vine with an apple tree or a, a black locust tree, or a honey locust tree, or a, or a mulberry tree, like, does, is the vine happier with one of those trees? [00:31:35] You know what I mean? Does it, does it, you know, and if it is, does that make the wine taste better at the end of the day? All these are really fun questions for me. That's why I'm really excited to do it. But also like what are the benefits in terms of, you know, the health of the vine, the health of the tree? [00:31:50] Do they are, is there symbiotic elements? It seems like they would, I, I think a lot about what kind of mycorrhizal connections and associations the trees have, because we vines have our Arbuscular connections. And so if you plant them with a tree that has similar connections, they might actually have a symbiotic benefit. [00:32:07] They might increase that soil network even further. And then if you're planting shrubs like blueberries or flowers, you know, perennial flowers or Forbes and things like that, that could either be grazed or could be gathered or could be another crop even for you, or it could be a protective thing. [00:32:22] There are things like indigo that you might plant because. Deer don't like it. So you might want that growing around the base of your vine tree thing while it's young, because it will prevent the deer from grazing down your baby vines and trees, you know? And so there's just a, a myriad ways of thinking about these guilds that you can do. [00:32:39] Obviously these are, I. Yeah, they're, they're different. If I was doing it in California, if I was in California, I would be thinking more about olives and pomegranates and figs and things like that, you know, like there's a lot less water for growing trees here, so depending on where you are, unless you're on the coast. [00:32:55] Craig Macmillan: Are you planning on using hybrids in your project? [00:32:59] Adam Huss: Yeah. I don't know how I would do it any other way. Yeah, it's, definitely a climate that. If you try to grow ra, like you're just asking for trouble. And, and just, you know, because of my approach is so ecological, like I will attempt to be as minimal inputs as possible is the other way I look at it. [00:33:20] You know, try to just imitate what's happening around to, to see what that landscape wants to do and then how it. Maintains its health and resilience and maybe, and, and I mean, my, my ideal is to spray not at all. But you know, with not a dogma about that. If I see an issue or if I think like I'm building up these pathogen loads in the vineyard, maybe I'll spray once a year, even if they seem like they're doing okay. [00:33:47] You know, I'm not like dogmatic about nose spray, but I, it's a, it's a fun ideal to reach for. And I, you know, I think potentially with. Some of the symbiotic benefits of these systems that could be achievable with with the right hybrids. You know, I mean, again, I don't wanna generalize about hybrids because you have the Andy Walker hybrids on the one end, which you have to treat just like vinifira in terms of the spray program. [00:34:10] And then on the other hand, you have something like Petite Pearl or Norton, which is like in many cases is almost like a bulletproof. Grape, you know, and in California specifically, it would be like insanely. And then you have things right down the middle. Things like tranet that you know, is basically like, I could blind taste you on Tranet and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between it and gewurztraminer . [00:34:31] But it's more cold, hearty, it has a little more disease resistance. Gives you a just a little bit, a little bit more of a benefit while still getting flavors that are familiar to you. If you like those flavors. [00:34:43] Craig Macmillan: Is there one thing that you would tell growers on this topic? One takeaway. [00:34:48] Adam Huss: Great question. I think give hybrids the same allowance that you give Vinifera. I. We all know there's a huge diversity of Vin Nira from Petite Ough to Riesling. And not everyone is right for every wine drinker and not all of them per perform the same in the vineyard. And, and you know, and we tolerate a lot of. [00:35:12] Frailty and a lot of feebleness in our veneer vines. We, we do a lot of care. We do a lot of like, you know, handholding for our veneer vines when necessary. If we extended the same courtesy to hybrids in terms of understanding and willingness to work with them. I think like that would just go a really long way too. [00:35:33] And I think we'd be surprised to find , they're a lot less handholding than, than Venire generally speaking. I. But also just try some. I think a lot of the prejudice comes from just not being exposed to them right now. You know, if you, if you think, if you're thinking negative thoughts about hybrids, get out there and drink some, you probably just haven't had enough yet. [00:35:51] And if you don't like the first one, you know, how many bad Cabernets have you had? I mean, if, if I had stopped drinking vinifira, I [00:35:59] Craig Macmillan: Yeah, that's, that's a really good point. If I judged every wine by the first wine that I tasted, that's probably not a very, [00:36:06] Adam Huss: right. [00:36:07] Craig Macmillan: good education there, [00:36:08] Adam Huss: Prevented me from exploring further, I would've missed out on some of the more profound taste experiences of my life if I'd let that, you know, guide my, you know, my thinking about it. So yeah, I think it's like anything with prejudice, once you get beyond it, it kind of, you see how silly it is, man. [00:36:25] It's, it's like so freeing and, and there's a whole world to explore out there. And like I said, I really think they're the future. Like if we wanna have a future, . We can only cling to the past for so long until it just becomes untenable. [00:36:38] Craig Macmillan: Right. Where can people find out more about you? [00:36:42] Adam Huss: So beyondorganicwine.com is the, the website for me. The email associate with that is connect@organicwinepodcast.com. [00:36:53] Craig Macmillan: Our guest today has been Adam Huss. He is the host of the Beyond Organic Podcast and is the co-owner of Centralas Wines in Los Angeles. [00:37:01] Thank you so much. This has been a really fascinating conversation and I'd love to connect with you at some point, talk more about. Out this, thanks for being on the podcast [00:37:08] Adam Huss: Thank you so much, Craig. Appreciate it. [00:37:13] Beth Vukmanic: Thank you for listening. Today's podcast was brought to you by VineQuest. A Viticultural consulting firm based in Paso Robles, California, offering expert services in sustainable farming, vineyard development, and pest management. With over 30 years of experience, they provide tailored solutions to enhance vineyard productivity and sustainability for wineries and agribusinesses across California. [00:37:38] Make sure you check out the show notes for links to Adam. His wine, brand, Centralis plus sustainable wine growing podcast episodes on this topic, 135 Cold hardiness of grapes 217. Combating climate chaos with adaptive wine, grape varieties, and 227. Andy Walker's Pierce's Disease resistant grapes are a success at Ojai Vineyard. [00:38:04] If you liked the show, do us a big favor by sharing it with a friend, subscribing and leaving us a review. You can find all of the podcasts at vineyardteam.org/podcast and you can reach us at podcast@vineyardteam.org. [00:38:19] Until next time, this is Sustainable Wine Growing with Vineyard Team.   Nearly perfect transcription by Descript

Thomas H. Heinicke ist schlichtweg ein absolut perfekter Gastgeber. Er ist kein Entertainer, kein Oberkellner, kein Organisator – er ist ein stiller Architekt von Atmosphäre. Nicht nur mit Worten, sondern mit Gesten und mit dem Quäntchen Herzlichkeit mehr, das man nicht beschreiben kann, sondern einfach erleben muss. Er weiß, dass die wahre Kunst des Empfangens nicht im Glanz des Arrangements liegt, sondern in der Fähigkeit, anderen ein Gefühl zu geben – ein Gefühl von Ankommen, von Wärme, von Verbindung. Es geht ihm nicht um Inszenierung, sondern um Beziehung, nicht um Business, sondern um Begegnung. Thomas H. Heinicke braucht keine Bühne, keinen Applaus, keine Eitelkeit. Alles, was er tut, geschieht mit einer Selbstverständlichkeit, die nicht auffällt, aber bleibt – wie ein exzellent geführtes Restaurant, in dem Wein, Essen und Trinken zu einem einzigen Moment des Genusses verschmelzen. Er erkennt Bedürfnisse, bevor sie ausgesprochen werden, aber er zwängt das Wissen darum nicht auf. Seine Präsenz ist leise, fast unmerklich – und gerade deshalb spürbar. Er stellt keine Weine vor – er lässt sie sprechen. Thomas lebt seine Weine, rezitiert keine Etiketten, sondern inszeniert mit Herz und Haltung Weingeschichten, in denen jede Flasche ein Kapitel ist. Ob traditionell vinifiziert oder modern interpretiert – was zählt, ist der Ausdruck, nicht der Stil. Er hört zu, wenn man schweigt, und erzählt, wenn man fragt – mal über einen Winzer, mal über eine Reise, mal über eine Begegnung. Er schafft Raum, ohne sich aufzudrängen, und lässt Nähe zu, ohne Intimität zu erzwingen. Seine Weinbar ist kein Ort, der beeindrucken will, sondern einer, der berührt. Ein Raum, der von Liebe zum Detail und einem tiefen Verständnis für Gastlichkeit lebt. Egal ob Weinfreak, Wanderer, Gourmet oder neugieriger Flaneur – hier entsteht eine Atmosphäre, in der Genuss nicht nur erlaubt, sondern erwünscht ist. Und in der das Trinken einer guten Flasche Wein mehr ist als ein Akt – es ist ein Statement für Haltung, für Gastfreundschaft, für ein Lebensgefühl. Wer Thomas H. Heinicke erlebt hat, spürt: Gastgeben ist keine Leistung, die sich in Geld bemessen lässt. Es ist eine Gabe, mit der er Lifestyle, Emotion und Identität miteinander verwebt – modern im Anspruch, traditionell im Wesen. Das ist keine Dienstleistung. Das ist eine Kunstform. Thomas H. Heinicke to:mas Die Weinbar Rossmarkt 4 55232 Alzey Telefon : 067 31 – 947 94 10 E-mail : info @ to-mas.de Mit herzlichen Grußworten von: Jens Bäder, Weingut Bäder Winzer, Freund Daniel Wagner, Weingut Wagner-Stempel Winzer, Freund ------------------------------------- Diese Folge von SOMMELIER – Die interessantesten Mundschenke unserer Zeit wird begleitet von durch Silvio Nitzsche ausgewählte Weine aus dem Programm der Schlumberger Gruppe, zu der die Handelshäuser Schlumberger, Segnitz, Consigliovini und das Privatkundenportal Bremer Weinkolleg gehören. ------------------------------------- Sehr gerne empfehle ich die folgenden Weine: 2023 Barbera d'Asti Lavignone Pico Maccario Piemont Italien Link für Geschäftskunden: https://is.gd/H8uDGE Link für Privatkunden: https://is.gd/ur5VIY _____ 2018 Blanc de Noirs Gusbourne Estate Kent Großbritannien Link für Geschäftskunden: https://is.gd/H8uDGE Link für Privatkunden: https://is.gd/ypGy0X _____ 2024 Reflets Secrets Rosé Pays d'Oc IGP Les Jamelles Languedoc Roussillon Frankreich Link für Geschäftskunden: https://is.gd/H8uDGE Link für Privatkunden: https://is.gd/GzE18y ------------------------------------- Bitte folgen Sie uns auf Webpage: sommelier.website Instagram: sommelier.der.podcast Facebook: sommelier.der.podcast Wir freuen uns über jede Bewertung, Anregung und Empfehlung. Das Format: SOMMELIER – Die interessantesten Mundschenke unserer Zeit. wird produziert und verantwortet von der: Weinklang GmbH, Silvio Nitzsche, Bergahornweg 10, 01328 Dresden, silvio@sommelier.website

Torrontes is an aromatic dry white wine that originated in Argentina. It pairs well with spicy foods due to its acidity and sweet floral aromas. It has aromas of honeysuckle, orange blossom, lavender, geranium, and rose petals. Torrontes from the Salta wine region of Argentina is often considered the best because of the high elevations of the vineyards. Many are over 3,000 meters (9,840 feet). The wine is said to be similar to Muscat Blanc or Riesling.Torrontes is known as the white wine of ArgentinaTonight, we are tasting: 2022 Bodegas Bianchi Torrontes Elsa. This wine was purchased for around $12.99. The wine comes from Mendoza, Argentina. The wine is light yellow in color. It has aromas of grapefruit, orange blossom, and apple. Other's say honeysuckle, orange blossoms, lavender, geranium, and rose petals. This wine is very floral. It is not what Denise or I typically drink and is not the wine that we seek out. However, I loved the aroma but found the flavor a little weak. Denise gave the wine a 2 and I rated it a 3. I am actually interested in tasting a Torrontes from the Salta region of Argentina.Next week we will taste two Cabernet Sauvignons, one being from Western Australia. We will learn about Western Australia and compare a wine from the region with another Cabernet Sauvignon.

Unsere Folgen sind nicht selten ungewöhnlich lang. Das hat seinen Grund: Wir möchten den Tiefsinn fließen lassen und Euch unsere Gesprächspartner so präsentieren, wie Ihr sie sonst nie – und vielleicht nie wieder – kennenlernen könnt. Und um Euch die Scheu zu nehmen, die man verspürt, wenn man einen über drei Stunden langen Zeitstempel sieht, aber auch, um Euch so richtig Lust auf den Kandidaten zu machen, präsentieren wir Euch immer einen Tag vor dem Release einen exklusiven Sneak in die neue Folge. Viel Spaß beim Hören, und wir freuen uns auf Euch mit einem herzlichen „Welcome back“ am Freitag. Das Format: SOMMELIER – Die interessantesten Weinkellner unserer Zeit wird produziert und verantwortet von der: Weinklang GmbH Silvio Nitzsche Bergahornweg 10 01328 Dresden silvio@sommelier.website und wird freundlichst unterstützt und begleitet von der Schlumberger-Gruppe mit den Handelshäusern: Schlumberger Segnitz Consigliovini sowie dem Privatkundenportal Bremer Weinkolleg

It's Monday, Let's raise a glass to the beginning of another week. It's time to unscrew, uncork or saber a bottle and let's begin Exploring the Wine Glass!  Today, we're heading to one of the most fascinating and picturesque corners of the wine world: Alto Adige. Nestled in the northernmost province of Italy and flanked by the dramatic Dolomites, this region is a true meeting place of contrasts—Italian charm with Austrian roots, loamy soils supporting both classic and lesser-known varieties, and a DOC that's currently 65% white wine, despite a much different past. I recently had the pleasure of attending a webinar with Susannah Gold and Mathias Messner of Cantina Bolzen, and let me tell you, Alto Adige is more than just breathtaking views. We'll explore what makes this region so unique, from its multi-lingual culture to its high-altitude vineyards, and of course, we'll chat about some standout wines—think Kerner, Riesling, Sauvignon Blanc, and a beautifully crisp Pinot Blanc. So pour yourself a glass, and let's head to the crossroads of cultures, climates, and some seriously impressive winemaking.  Slainte!    Find out more about Cantina Bolzen  here Music: WINE by Kēvens Official Video Follow me on Instagram!   Follow me on Twitter! Subscribe to my YouTube channel SIGN UP FOR EXPLORING THE WINE GLASS NEWSLETTER SUBSCRIBE ON iTUNES STITCHER | iTUNES | YOUTUBE | SPOTIFY | PODBEAN | AUDIBLE | BOOMPLAY Even ask your smart speaker to play Exploring the Wine Glass GIVE US A RATING AND REVIEW Thoughts or comments? Contact Lori at exploringthewineglass@gmail.com. Please support our sponsors Dracaena Wines - Our Wines + Your Moments + Great Memories Use code 'Explore' at checkout to receive 10% off your first order GET SPECIAL OFFERS FOR DRACAENA WINES

In deze aflevering van Duitsland Vakantieland trekt Ben Roelants samen met wijnkenner Jens De Maere naar het zonnige zuiden van Duitsland: Baden-Württemberg. Ze verkennen zowel de regio Baden, bekend om zijn Spätburgunder en Riesling, als Württemberg, waar lokale druiven zoals Trollinger volop geproefd worden in gezellige wijnstubes. Onderweg ontmoeten ze gepassioneerde wijnboeren, zoals de charmante Klauwer met zijn wijngaarden aan de rand van Heidelberg, en ontdekken ze hoe het microklimaat aan de Bodensee zorgt voor verrassend frisse én volle wijnen.Ben en Jens duiken ook in de unieke wijncultuur van de regio: van coöperaties en wijnkastelen tot de traditie van de Duitse wijnkoninginnen – inclusief spontane handkussen en sprookjesachtige kostuums. Zelfs een woeste boottocht op een eeuwenoud schip in een onweer boven de Bodensee houdt hen niet tegen.Een tocht vol smaak, verhalen en verborgen parels. Santé!Meer weten over Baden-Württemberg?https://www.germany.travel/en/inspiring-germany/baden-wuerttemberg.html https://www.germany.travel/en/campaign/cultureland-germany/wine.htmlhttps://www.germany.travel/en/experience-enjoy/baden.htmlhttps://www.germany.travel/en/nature-outdoor-activities/lake-constance-cycle-path.html----------------------------------------------Duitsland Vakantieland is een podcast van Germany Tourism | Host: Ben Roelants | Productie: De Praeters

Die Pfalz kennt man vor allem für hervorragenden Riesling. Allerdings keltert man auch andere weisse Traubensorten, etwa den Grauburgunder. Wir haben uns ein Exemplar gesichert von zwei Brüdern, die für Gesprächsstoff sorgen.

This week's show is on location at Phantom Creek Estates on the Black Sage Bench. Join us as we broadcast from their state-of-the-art winery, featuring the team responsible for the vines and wines. Our guests included Mark Beringer, General Manager, Jean-Marc Enixon, Director of Winemaking, and Mike Anderson, Director of Farming, updated us on the bounce back of the vines at Phantom Creek and led us through several wines from their extensive reserves in the cellar. Plus, we were delighted to reconnect with Alsace legend, MW, Phantom Creek Consulting Winemaker, responsible for the white wines, Olivier Humbrecht, who speaks to his passion project of small lot white wines from the Similkameen Valley, including walking us through the Small Lot 2022 Riesling and 2022 Pinot Gris.

With Memorial Day behind us, we are looking forward to summer. What is the best summer wine? You are not wrong if you said Pinot Gris, Riesling, Sauvignon Blanc, or any other wine. But you might want to try a Rose' and I think if you are a red wine drinker, Rose may be the answer.Denise and I have really grown to love Rose' over the past few years. It gives you freshness and crispness, but still has some tannins and complexity that white summer sippers don't have.We found a website that described different styles of Rose'. https://www.virginwines.co.uk/Provence rose'. Pale pink color. Flavors of minerality, floral, and summer berries and citrus. Pairs with white meats, seafood, and salads. White Zinfandel. These wines range from off-dry to sweet. Flavors of red berries, melon, and baking spice. Pairs with heavy cheeses and fish, as well as BBQ.Garnacha Rosado. Deep fruit flavor because of the warm Spanish climate. Tastes of strawberries, raspberries, apple, and grapefruit. Sometimes get a hint of licorice. Pairs with tapas and paella.Cinsault Rose'. Strawberries, raspberry, pomegranate, and cherry. Violet and spice. Pairs with fish and sushi. Pinot Noir Rose'. Delicate wines with flavors of strawberry and rose petals. Pairs with salads, chicken, and salmon. Mourvedre Rose'. Pairs with grilled fish, steak, grilled vegetables.Rosato. Italian Rose'. Some can be dark in color. Often have juicy fruit flavors and pair well with foods normally associated with red wines such as steaks.Tonight, we are enjoying two Rose' wines including:Stone Hill Winery Dry Rose. A blend of Chambourcin, Chardonel, and Traminette. Notes of raspberry, watermelon, and orange blossom. Fresh acidity and a medium body, this fruit forward rose' is perfect for chilling and enjoying on its own. Pair with grilled chicken, spicy Mediterranean dishes or just a summer afternoon on the deck. 13% alcohol and 0.4% residual sugar. Purchased at the winery for $13.00. You can order from the winery at https://stonehillwinery.com/2024 Cote de Roses. This is a blend of Cinsault, Grenache, and Syrah. The wine comes from southern France from the Languedoc AOC. Aromas of red fruits, blackcurrant, and redcurrant. Tastes of rose, citrus, and grapefruit. Normally a fuller-bodied wine. Flavors of citrus, peach, and herbs, as well as strawberry and raspberry. Purchased at Costco for $12.99.Next week we will taste two white wines. We have a Rhone Valley white blend and a Torrontes.

Unsere Folgen sind nicht selten ungewöhnlich lang. Das hat seinen Grund: Wir möchten den Tiefsinn fließen lassen und Euch unsere Gesprächspartner so präsentieren, wie Ihr sie sonst nie – und vielleicht nie wieder – kennenlernen könnt. Und um Euch die Scheu zu nehmen, die man verspürt, wenn man einen über drei Stunden langen Zeitstempel sieht, aber auch, um Euch so richtig Lust auf den Kandidaten zu machen, präsentieren wir Euch immer einen Tag vor dem Release einen exklusiven Sneak in die neue Folge. Viel Spaß beim Hören, und wir freuen uns auf Euch mit einem herzlichen „Welcome back“ am Freitag. Das Format: SOMMELIER – Die interessantesten Weinkellner unserer Zeit wird produziert und verantwortet von der: Weinklang GmbH Silvio Nitzsche Bergahornweg 10 01328 Dresden silvio@sommelier.website und wird freundlichst unterstützt und begleitet von der Schlumberger-Gruppe mit den Handelshäusern: Schlumberger Segnitz Consigliovini sowie dem Privatkundenportal Bremer Weinkolleg

„Wir haben den Anspruch perfekt zu sein“ und „Wenn es um das Produkt geht: keine Kompromisse“: Jochen Dreissigacker weiß, wie alles sein soll. Das galt auch für den Neubau des Weingutes Dreissigacker, das er selbst plante. Die Grundsätze des Unternehmens sollten sich dort widerspiegeln: dauerhaft, zeitlos, nachhaltig. Für einen perfekten Wein. ‚Einmal planen ohne Rücksicht auf Verluste‘ war das Motto von Jochen. Dazu gehörte eine komplette Neu-Planung. Jetzt steht in Bechtheim eine Immobilie, die über zehn Millionen Euro kostete – mit einem freitragenden Voll-Holz-Dach mit einer Spannbreite von 37 Metern, begrüntem Dach, Photovoltaik. Wir sprechen über die Relevanz von stützenfreien Räumen, die Nutzung der Isolationskraft des Bodens zehn Meter in der Tiefe, über das Heizen mit Trester und warum das bisher noch nicht funktionierte und darüber, wie der Kreislaufgedanke in einem solchen Unternehmen mitgedacht wurde. Jochen Dreissigacker erobert mit seinen Produkten gerade die Welt, exportiert in über 40 Länder. Mit 20 baute er seinen ersten Wein aus, wenige Jahre später erfolgte dann die Übergabe des Familien-Weingutes an die Söhne, worauf 70 Prozent der Kunden verloren gingen. Weil der Wein der jungen Brüder eben ganz anders war. Jochen bot als erstes Weingut in Europa NFT für Weine an, sein Team, von dem er sich unternehmerisches Denken wünscht, kreiiert seine eigene Kollektion. Mit einem Winzer muss es auch um die Seele der Weine gehen, um den Riesling und dessen eher schlechtes Image in Deutschland. Wein, Neubau, Team – ein perfektes Triangle für diesen Podcast, den man auch mit einem guten Wein vor sich hören kann.

Erica, Judy & Doug. Doug Mryglod, Judy Phillips and Erica Stancliff from Deodora Wine are our guests with Steve Jaxon and Dan Berger on California Wine Country. Daedalus Howell is also in the studio today. This is the first time that Doug and Judy have been on the show for Deodora Estate Vineyards. Erica Stancliff has been on CWC before on this episode of June 24, 2020. Dan Berger introduces Deodora for winning a gold medal for a dry Riesling at the latest wine competition. The 2019 that won was up against some very stiff competition. The 2024 is maybe better, says Dan. Judy says they bottled it back in February and this is the first bottle they are opening. The grapes come from “an amazing site in the Petaluma Gap.” This is precisely what the American consumer wants, and doesn't know it. It is dry but not too much, with just enough personality in the aftertaste to suggest what kind of food it would go with. It should be served chilled but not ice cold. Dan describes plumeria, wild tropical fruit, and citrus flavors. The lime flavors will come out in about two years. Judy says Dan's commentary makes the perfect tasting notes for this wine. It is not gripping and so lemony. California Wine Country is brought to you by Rodney Strong Vineyards and Davis Bynum Wines. Daedalus Howell is also here today. He notices the minerality in this wine, “a quiet little whisper” of slate, underneath the fruit flavors. It was barreled in concrete, there was no malolactic fermentation, and there was one neutral French oak barrel, and stainless steel. Doug tells the Deodora story that starts with Judy. In 2012 they got a property that was an old goat farm. It took them months to clean it up and decide what to plant. There is a story behind the Riesling. He worked with Ford family in the Finger Lakes region, Heron Hill wine. Doug fell in love with Riesling after tasting theirs. Doug's Riesling made for himself Doug didn't want his Riesling to be too dry or too sweet, just in the middle, and for himself only. Dan says, “I did the same thing… just for me.” Dan says that Riesling makes itself if you have the right grapes. Judy says it was hard for them to believe they won that award for the Riesling. Erica Stancliff tells how she was born and raised in Forestville with parents who were home winemakers. They started Trombetta Winery where Erica is the winemaker. Her mentor was Paul Hobbs and she is now a winemaker for various local labels. She loves Petaluma Gap for the wind, climate, Sonoma coast influence and the fog. That makes it perfect, absolutely perfect for Pinot Noir, Chardonnay and also Riesling. Daedalus asks Erica if their friend Chris Sawyer, the “sommelier to the stars” is really the originator of the term Petaluma Gap. He claimed it, says Daedalus. Erica has a precise technical description of the climate that makes for slow development of brix levels. In Petaluma Gap you only get a few hours of the peak heat, before the wind comes in every day. The name Deodora comes from an old tree that is on a property he owns on a golf course. The tree is beautiful and comes from the Himalayas.

Hello wine friends, and welcome back! This week we dive into Part Two of my conversation with Ernst Loosen of Dr.Loosen. If Part One was all about Riesling royalty, this one is for the Pinot aficionados. While Ernie is globally known for his Riesling, he's also been quietly and passionately cultivating a deep connection with Pinot Noir from Germany's rolling hills of the Pfalz with Villa Wolf, to the expressive soils of Oregon's Willamette Valley at Appassionata Estate, and now into the sacred vineyards of Burgundy itself with Perron de Mypont. In this episode, Ernie shares why Pinot Noir captured his heart, the styles he's chasing, and what makes Pinot from the Pfalz, Oregon, and Burgundy so distinct.  Stick around until the end, Ernie doesn't hold back when it comes to sharing his truth.   If you want to skip ahead: 02.24: Origins of Villa Wolf – Established in 1996 to focus on Pinot varieties in Pfalz  03.30: Pinot varieties have centuries of tradition in the Rhine and Pfalz regions   04.30: Aged Pinot Noir and Riesling share similar aromas – “sous bois” character   05.00: Use of “Pinot Noir” vs. “Spätburgunder” depending on export market   07.00: Tasting and discussing the Villa Wolf Pinot Noir 2022 £12.95 Cheers Wine Merchants 11.30: Comparing German clones with French 14.00: Comparing the terroir Pfalz vs. Mosel   17.00: Why Pfalz is nicknamed “Tuscany of Germany”  20.00: Introducing Loosen's Oregon project: Appassionata Estate   22.00: Appassionata named after Beethoven's passionate composition   22.30: Wines aged longer before release, unlike typical U.S. practice   24.00: Volcanic soils require longer aging before release   26.30: Longest-aged wines come from basalt-rich plots   28.00: Ernst acquisition of the Vieux Château de Puligny-Montrachet in 2019 and it's history in Burgundy 30.32: The style of Pinot Noir that Ernst is crafting 32.30: Whole bunch fermentation vs destemming 34.43: Stem use in winemaking: positives and negatives  36.30: Ernst's oak philosophy with Pinot Noir 39.30: Ernst favors 2019 Burgundy vintage and 2014 in Oregon   41.30: Winemaking focus to avoid high alcohol styles   42.30: Ernst speaks his truth: Low yields in this current climate does not just mean a better wine 46.24: Where is the world Ernst would want to plant next 47.45: Most memorable Pinot: Domaine Armand Rousseau 1969 Chambertin 49.00: Ernst's advice for the next generation of winemakers     Any thoughts or questions, do email me: janina@eatsleepwinerepeat.co.uk Or contact me on Instagram @eatsleep_winerepeat If you fancy watching some videos on my youtube channel: Eat Sleep Wine Repeat Or come say hi at www.eatsleepwinerepeat.co.uk Until next time, Cheers to you!   ---------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------- THE EAT SLEEP WINE REPEAT PODCAST HAS BEEN FEATURED IN DECANTER MAGAZINE, RADIO TIMES AND FEED SPOT AS THE 6TH BEST UK WINE MAKING PODCAST.

 In this episode of the Vint Wine Podcast, hosts Billy Galanko and Brady Weller sit down with Nancy Irelan, the powerhouse behind Red Tail Ridge Winery in New York's Finger Lakes. From her early days as a PhD student at UC Davis to leading R&D at E. & J. Gallo, Nancy brings unmatched technical depth to her boutique, cool-climate winery.She shares:

Hello wine friends, and welcome back! Today's guest is none other than Ernst Loosen - widely regarded as Riesling royalty and the visionary behind Germany's legendary Dr. Loosen estate in the Mosel Valley. In this episode, we dive into Ernst's bold reimagining of Mosel Riesling, including an extraordinary 27-year lees-aged wine experiment that continues to evolve and amaze. We explore what makes Riesling so uniquely expressive in the Mosel's slate soils, cool climate, and dramatic river bends, and how Ernst has helped shift global perceptions of the grape - from sweet to serious. From reviving his grandfather's dry wine traditions to employing lees aging, oak fermentation, and extended maturation, Ernst shares how he crafts age-worthy, structured wines. With a global perspective shaped by work in Washington State (Chateau Ste. Michelle), Australia's Clare Valley (Jim Barry), and beyond, he compares Riesling styles across continents and spotlights an unexpected collaboration with Spain's Telmo Rodríguez, a skin-fermented dry Riesling you won't see coming. This is a rare, in-depth conversation with one of Riesling's greatest modern champions. A journey through time, terroir, tradition, and transformation.   If you want to skip ahead:   03.00: Ernie's accolades and biography 04.00: Taking over the family wine business in 1987 06.00: Vision for business: improve wine quality with indigenous yeast, better selection. 08.00: Tough decisions managing old estates, including employee retention in 1987 harvest. 09.30: Focus on leftover grapes during the harvest as an innovative solution. 10.00: 1987 vintage turned out well despite early challenges. 16.00: Discussing the 1981 Wehlener Sonnenuhr ‘Indutiomarus' Riesling left on lees for 27 years. 18.00: History influences winemaking practices, referencing Mosel's 1800s Rieslings. (some of the most expensive wines of the world a that time) 20.00: Historical winemaking methods, like barrel aging and long ageing and this influence on wine style now. 23.00: Discussing and tasting the 2021 Wehlener Sonnenuhr Grosses Gewächs Riesling made from 100+ years old vines. £33 Lay & Wheeler 30.00: Wine label confusion is a global issue, not just German or French labels. 33.00: “Dry” label helps consumers unfamiliar with terms like GG: Grosses Gewächs. 34.00: Dr. L label's success lies in simplifying for consumers, especially the UK market. 38.00: Riesling excels in single vineyards, highlighting terroir differences. 41.00: Mosel's unique terroir, steep slopes, and river create ideal Riesling conditions. 45.30: Slate warms the soil, conserving heat during cool nights. 49.00: Dr Loosen GG Reserve style: at least two years in barrel for broader mouthfeel and riper fruit. 49.30: Rieslings from different regions maintain unique characteristics. Meet EROICA from Washington and LOOSENBARRY from Claire Valley. 52.30: Washington Riesling maintains moderate alcohol despite high sugar ripeness. 54.30: Pushing boundaries with Telmo Rodríguez, producing an Orange skin contact Riesling in Rioja barrels: Ernst Loosen & Telmo Rodriguez Graacher Himmelreich Riesling 56.00: Riesling's global future holds potential with numerous ongoing projects. Any thoughts or questions, do email me: janina@eatsleepwinerepeat.co.uk Or contact me on Instagram @eatsleep_winerepeat If you fancy watching some videos on my youtube channel: Eat Sleep Wine Repeat Or come say hi at www.eatsleepwinerepeat.co.uk Until next time, Cheers to you!   ---------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------- THE EAT SLEEP WINE REPEAT PODCAST HAS BEEN FEATURED IN DECANTER MAGAZINE, RADIO TIMES AND FEED SPOT AS THE 6TH BEST UK WINE MAKING PODCAST.  

In this episode of Five Questions with a Winemaker, hosts Billy Galanko and Brady Weller sit down with Nancy Irelan, Winemaker and Owner of Red Tail Ridge Winery in New York's Finger Lakes. Renowned for her cool-climate varietals and sparkling wines, Nancy has made Red Tail Ridge a Finger Lakes standout.Nancy shares:

Bettina from Laurel Glen Vineyard is our guest on California Wine Country with Steve Jaxon and Dan Berger. Bettina's father Peter M. F. Sichel recently passed away at 102. He was an old friend of Dan Berger who credits him with great contributions to winemaking, in Germany and in the US. Dan wrote a review of Peter's book called “The Secrets of My Life: Vintner, Soldier, Prisoner, Spy.” He was instrumental in making Blue Nun wine popular, a dry white wine from Germany. Dan describes the story of Blue Nun as a story of the Atomic Age. There is a bottle of it on the cover of the Fleetwood Mac album Rumors and there is a Beastie Boys song called Blue Nun. Blue Nun was very popular in the 1970s. The brand ran radio advertisements nationally that were written and recorded by Stiller & Meara. Here is one of them: https://calwinecountry.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/BLUE-NUN-1970-Stiller-Meara.mp3 Laurel Glen is on top of Sonoma Mountain. It is a remarkable property. The fact that people would plant Cabernet up there is “outrageous” says Dan. It makes a special kind of wine. Bettina says it's a great site for Cabernet. In the 1990s, Cabernet was a much more restrained, a low-alcohol wine with high acidity. That is still the Lauren Glen style. Sonoma Mountain AVA The vineyard was first planted to Cabernet in the 1960s. They are located on a plateau. The Sonoma Mountain AVA is on the east side of the mountain. The west side of the mountain is now the Petaluma Gap AVA. The mountain blocks the wind and fog. They don't achieve the degree of ripeness that Napa Cabernets do, which produces what Dan calls a richer, oaky, more concentrated and higher in alcohol. California Wine Country is brought to you by Rodney Strong Vineyards and Davis Bynum Wines. Next for tasting is a Riesling that comes from a vineyard on the central coast near Monterrey. They are the last grapes that come into the winery, after all the other grapes. That shows what a long maturation process these grapes require. Dan can think of only about 5 vineyards in California that produce high quality dry Riesling and this is one of them. They make three Cabernets, a Rosé and some Gruner Veltliner.

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Join The Wake Up Call crew—Scotch, Tank, and Mandy—for a fun and informative Wine Wednesday on Froggy 99.9! This week, Haily Sundet, Froggy Wine Specialist from Republic National Distributing, introduces us to the refreshing Dr. Loosen "Dr. L" Riesling. Discover tasting notes, food pairings, and insider tips from the pros. Whether you're a seasoned wine lover or just getting started, this episode uncorks the best of Riesling and wine culture. Sponsored by Bottle Barn Liquors, with three Fargo-Moorhead locations. Tune in for laughs, insights, and your next favorite bottle! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode of the No Sediment Wine Podcast, I sat down with Sybille Kuntz, head winemaker and owner of Sybille Kuntz winery in Mosel, Germany. Among many exciting topics, we explore the challenges of working steep Mosel vineyards, the demands and rewards of biodynamic farming and the evolving reputation of Riesling. We also dive into the unique style of Sybille's wines and her take on the confusing German wine laws.You can also listen to the No Sediment Wine Podcast episodes on Spotify, Apple Podcast, Amazon Music, Google Podcasts and Castbox.Some of the WINE ACCESSORIES I use regularly:

I just read an article in Wine Enthusiast that Riesling is one of the fastest-growing wine varieties on the market. According to the article, people are looking for crisp-bright wines; of course, Riesling fits that bill. Our first wine says it pairs well with chicken, fish, and spicy cuisines. Nero D'Avola is known for its dark fruit-driven flavors, full-bodied, and medium to medium-high tannins. In addition to the dark fruit, may get flavors of licorice, tobacco, and pepper.Meritage is a wine blended with the Bordeaux grape varieties, typically from outside of Bordeaux. The five Bordeaux grapes are Cabernet Sauvignon, Merlot, Cabernet Franc, Malbec, and Petite Verdot. Pronounced like “heritage”. Tonight, we try these three wines from Trader Joe's.2023 Emma Reichart Dry Riesling, purchased for $5.99. Aromas of apricot, honeysuckle, citrus, minerality, and green apple. This wine comes from Germany with 11.5% alcohol.2022 Epicuro Nero D'Avola is from Sicilia DOP. Trader Joe's had this wine for $5.99. Fermented and aged in stainless steel. It has 13.7 g/L of residual sugar making this an off-dry wine. Reverse Wine Snob says aromas of red berry and cherry cough drop fruit, with touches of licorice and spice. Less complex but still a very affordable example of Nero d'Avola. It has 12.5% alcohol.2022 Roustabout Meritage from Paso Robles, California. Purchased for $7.99. Aromas of dark fruit with cola, tobacco, and pepper. Many reviews mention a jammy or over ripe fruit taste. 13.6% alcohol. This wine has 44% Merlot, 39% Cabernet Sauvignon, 15% Malbec and 2% Cabernet Franc. Next week we are learning more about blind tasting. We are also going to reminisce about the 70's.

Jill Upton and Simon Nash chat with Bec Duffy about the vineyard and winery she runs with partner Tim.Vines have been planted in 1983 to replace some of the Holm Oaks planted to make tennis requets. The site is a perfect place to grow Cabernet along with Chard and Pinot Noir and a Riesling.When you visit book for the Sensory Tour, it sound great.@thewineshowaustralia @holmoak

In this episode of The Vint Podcast, host Billy Galanko sits down with Stephen and Prue Henschke of Henschke Wines—one of the most iconic family-run wineries in the world.This in-depth conversation covers the legacy of the Hill of Grace vineyard, the role of old vines in shaping wine texture and complexity, and the unique terroir of Eden Valley. Prue shares her insights as viticulturist, including the nuances of managing vines over 150 years old, the effects of soil and canopy management, and the importance of preserving vine genetics. Stephen discusses their restrained and precise winemaking approach, including the use of submerged cap fermentation and minimal oak influence to highlight site expression.Topics explored include:The history of Henschke and the sixth-generation legacyThe significance of old vines and the Barossa Old Vine CharterHow Eden Valley's altitude and soils shape their Riesling and ShirazA technical breakdown of Mount Edelstone, Hill of Grace, and Wheelwright vineyardsReflections on sustainability, native cover crops, and dry farmingThe story behind experimental bottlings like Hill of Roses, Nebbiolo, and TempranilloPerspectives on global brand prestige and Australian wine's evolving reputationWhether you're a collector, sommelier, or student of wine, this episode offers a rare window into one of Australia's most revered producers and their uncompromising commitment to place, tradition, and innovation.

AT OUR AGE AN ADVENTURE IN TANZANIA AT 70   A good friend in Gulfport, Florida recently took an adventurous trip to Tanzania in celebration of her soon to be 70th birthday. Christine shares that they experienced the flora, cuisine  and the  beasts UP CLOSE.   They also volunteered at a preschool kindergarten to teach the kids as part of their cultural experience.  At PPSARE, their mission is to share Tanzania's national parks with visitors and tourists and  to give the clients a taste of Tanzanian culture and lifestyle.  PPSAE Wildlife Safaris | a | P.O,Box 476 Usarver,Arusha https://www.ppsarewildlife.com/Tanzania is home to 120 different tribes who live together peacefully. Christine enjoyed an authentic safari adventure, developed a better understanding of Tanzania's rich, multi-cultural society. According to Christine, all the tour guides share a passion for the environment. They invite every adventurer to plant a fruit tree or watershed tree at the conclusion of each tour. Giving back to Tanzania's community and country is one of their greatest joys. One of the ways they do this is by being a mentor to others in their country who would like to create a micro-enterprise in Safari/Cultural tourism.  They also give back through my direct association with an NGO (NPO) called The Small Things.  Yoga, Meditations to Balance Yourself Here is the BEST link for JSJ: (JIN SHIN JYUTSU) HealthKeepersUnited.com/Self-help-JSJ *** Patti Wohlin is another woman of a certain age teaching us Jin Shin JYUTSU WINE and Food NEW MEXICO HAS IT ALL and I'll be sharing more with you all as I just relocated my business here!  La Chiripada Winery & Vineyard is tucked away in the lovely Embudo Valley of northern New Mexico. Owned and operated by the Johnson family, La Chiripada has been creating award-WINNING. 135* per 6 bottle shipment. Shipping and tax varies per state. Save 20% off retail price. If you enjoy a good white wine, you'll love our white wine club, which offers a quarterly sampling of dry and off-dry wines such as Chardonnay, Winemakers Select White, Viognier, Riesling, Primavera and Embudo Blanco. Wines are shipped the first or second week of March, June, September and December. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/article/new-mexico-unexpected-wine-country Contact VALERIE producer creator INTERESTED IN HAVING YOUR BUSINESS FEATURED? CONTACT ME FOR A FREE STRATEGY SESSION: https://calendly.com/vahail1956/30min  valerie@allinourminds.com www.allinourminds.com

In this episode of Five Questions with a Winemaker, presented by the Vint Marketplace, we sit down with Stephen and Prue Henschke, sixth-generation vintners of Henschke Wines—one of Australia's most revered estates. From Eden Valley Riesling to the legendary Hill of Grace Shiraz, the Henschkes have helped define fine wine in Australia.Stephen and Prue share:

Season 8 Premiere: Haunted Hills, Bold Hearts & Unforgettable WinesWelcome to Season 8 of Wine Crush Podcast! We're uncorking the new season with a double feature that's packed with legacy, resilience, creativity—and even a few ghosts.In this episode, we sit down with Cam of Ghost Hill Cellars, whose family has farmed the same land in Oregon's Willamette Valley since 1906. Cam shares how their family pivoted from cattle to Pinot Noir, built a new tasting room on a haunted hill, and embraced both history and innovation in every bottle. Yes, there's a ghost (actually, four)—and yes, there's a medium who confirmed it.We're also joined by Cassandra of Corcilla Cellars, whose journey is equally compelling. From her nursing career and military life to launching her winery in Oregon City, Cassandra shares how a broken arm changed her path forever. With wines inspired by science, art, and the badass women who lead with heart, her brand is a tribute to strength, beauty, and intention. From pet-nat Riesling to bold Viognier, every bottle has a story—and a mission.Whether you're here for the wine, the ghost stories, or the inspiration, this episode sets the tone for an unforgettable season ahead.Tune in, sip along, and get ready to fall in love with wine all over again.

In this episode of the Vint Wine Podcast, we sit down with Jean-Frédéric Hugel, 13th-generation vintner at Famille Hugel in Alsace, to explore one of France's most historic wine families and regions. Founded in 1639, Famille Hugel is a benchmark producer known for its Rieslings, Gewürztraminer, and age-worthy late-harvest wines.Jean-Frédéric discusses his family's centuries-long legacy in Alsace, the evolution of Hugel's winemaking, and the unique terroir and culture that define the region. He also shares what it means to represent Alsace in the Primum Familiae Vini (PFV), a group of 12 leading family-owned wine estates from across Europe.Key topics include:The distinct profile of Alsace Riesling compared to German or Austrian stylesThe role of Gewürztraminer, Pinot Gris, and Muscat in Hugel's aromatic dry whitesHow Hugel produces some of the world's longest-lived Vendange Tardive and Sélection de Grains Nobles(botrytized sweet wines)The philosophy behind Hugel's Classic, Estate, and Grossi Laüe tiersHugel's new project: their first-ever Crémant d'Alsace sparkling wineWhy Hugel doesn't use oak and how their neutral winemaking showcases terroir

What do you get when you freeze grapes on the vine and squeeze out just a few precious drops? One of the wildest wines we've ever tasted.In this episode, we explore a 2022 Wagner Vineyards Ice Wine from New York's Finger Lakes. It's syrupy, it's complex, and it's way more than just “sweet.” We break down what makes ice wine so expensive, why its acidity blew us away, and how this dessert wine flipped our expectations.Whether you're a Riesling fan, a wine nerd, or just curious about ice wine, this is the episode for you.Connect with the show. We would love to hear from you!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠stopwastingyourwine.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Chapters00:00 – Intro + What's in Our Glass03:20 – Why Ice Wine?05:30 – Wine Specs: 2022 Wagner Riesling Ice Wine08:30 – What Is Ice Wine, Really?10:10 – First Impressions: The Nose12:30 – Tasting Notes + Reactions15:30 – That Acidity Tho18:00 –Learning Segment: How Ice Wine Is Made21:30 – Why It's So Expensive27:10 – Final Thoughts Before the Review29:20 – The Review33:40 – Playing “Where's the Lie?” (Wagner Vineyards Edition)42:23 -- Outro

Send us a textIs wine really as picky as people make it out to be? In this episode of Bottles & Bites Without Borders, we throw out the old rulebook and dive into the delicious, wide-open world of unexpected wine pairings. From spicy street tacos to sushi rolls, fried chicken to donuts, we explore how wine doesn't just go with everything—it elevates it.Join us as we sip, snack, and challenge the traditional wisdom of wine snobbery. Whether you're a casual drinker or a seasoned sommelier, you'll come away with fresh ideas, fun pairings, and maybe even a new favorite combo (spoiler: Riesling and hot wings might change your life).Grab a glass and let's break some boundaries—because wine deserves a seat at every table.Contact or Follow Rob: www.bottlesandbiteswb.com rob@bottlesandbiteswb.com @foodwhiskey on X @bottles_bites_wb on IG Join the Bottles & Bites FB Grouphttps://www.facebook.com/groups/533352930766813 #food #whiskey #bourbon #wine #homecook #cook #BBQ #foodie #Italy #barolo #cabernet Sauvignon #france #italy #spain #napa #scotch #pizza #coffee Support the show

In this episode of Five Questions with a Winemaker, we sit down with Jean Frédéric Hugel, the 13th generation of the legendary Famille Hugel in Alsace, France. Jean shares the story behind one of the region's most historic producers, known for its benchmark dry Rieslings and long-lived sweet wines.We cover:

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Managing pests like powdery mildew, downy mildew, botrytis, and sour rot can be a complex challenge. Andy Fles, Vineyard Manager at Shady Lane Cellars in Michigan, shares insights from his USDA Sustainable Ag Research Education producer grant project. The project compares two pest management approaches: a ‘soft' pesticide program and a conventional one. Andy conducted the experiment using his on farm sprayer, providing real-world results. Despite climate variability and fluctuating pest pressures, the soft pesticide program proved effective. The project underscores the potential of using softer chemistries to manage disease while maintaining fruit quality. Resources:         REGISTER: April 25, 2025 | Fungicide Spraying: Evolving Strategies & Grower Insights 80: (Rebroadcast) The Goldilocks Principle & Powdery Mildew Management 117: Grapevine Mildew Control with UV Light 197: Managing the Sour Rot Disease Complex in Grapes 219: Intelligent Sprayers to Improve Fungicide Applications and Save Money 235: Battling Fungicide Resistance with Glove Sampling Rufus Issacson, Michigan State University Shady Lane Cellars Secures $11K National Farming Grant Timothy Miles, Michigan State University Vineyard Team Programs: Juan Nevarez Memorial Scholarship - Donate SIP Certified – Show your care for the people and planet   Sustainable Ag Expo – The premiere winegrowing event of the year Vineyard Team – Become a Member Get More Subscribe wherever you listen so you never miss an episode on the latest science and research with the Sustainable Winegrowing Podcast. Since 1994, Vineyard Team has been your resource for workshops and field demonstrations, research, and events dedicated to the stewardship of our natural resources. Learn more at www.vineyardteam.org.   Transcript [00:00:00] Beth Vukmanic: Managing pests like powdery mildew, downy mildew, botrytis and sour rot can be a complex challenge. [00:00:10] Welcome to sustainable Wine Growing with Vineyard Team, where we bring you the latest in science and research for the wine industry. I'm Beth Vukmanic executive director. [00:00:21] In today's podcast, Craig McMillan, critical resource Manager at Niner Wine Estates. With Longtime SIP Certified Vineyard and the first ever SIP certified winery speaks with Andy Fles, vineyard Manager at Shady Lane Cellars in Michigan. Andy shares insights from his USDA Sstainable Ag Research Education Producer grant project. The project compares to pest management approaches, a soft pesticide program and a conventional one. [00:00:50] Andy conducted the experiment using his on farms sprayer, providing real world results. Despite climate variability and fluctuating pest pressures, the soft pesticide program proved effective. The project underscores the potential of using softer chemistries to manage disease while maintaining fruit quality. [00:01:10] If you'd like to learn more about this topic, then we hope you can join us on April 25th, 2025 for the fungicide spraying evolving strategies in Grower Insights tailgate taking place in San Luis Obispo, California. Dr. Shunping Ding of Cal Poly will share updated results from a study on the efficacy of different fungicide programs containing bio fungicides. [00:01:34] Then we will head out into the vineyard to learn about new technologies for integrated pest management and talk with farmers from different growing regions about their program. Now let's listen in.  [00:01:49] Craig Macmillan: Our guest today is Andy Fles. He is the vineyard manager at Shady Lane Cellars in Michigan. And today we're going to talk about a pretty cool little project. He's got going looking into two different pesticide programs. Thanks for being on the podcast, Andy. [00:02:03] Andrew Fles: Yeah, my pleasure, Craig. [00:02:05] Craig Macmillan: So you have a grant from the USDA sustainable agriculture research and education program. To look at what you call a soft pesticide program for your vineyard in Michigan and comparing it to what we would call a sustainable or sustainable conventional program. What do you define as a soft pesticide program? [00:02:25] Andrew Fles: Well, that's kinda just a, a term that we applied to identify it. I didn't want to use organic because I thought that there would be a good chance we would utilize things that are considered by the industry to be very soft in terms of you know, they're not a harsh chemical or a carcinogenic, a known carcinogenic compound. [00:02:49] But something, for example, like. Like horticultural grade peroxide, which goes by several different trade names. So that's just, it's hydrogen peroxide and it is a disinfectant that turns into water and oxygen. So it's pretty Soft in terms of what it does to beneficials and, and plants and, and such. [00:03:11] We utilize some of those products already in our spray program. But combined also with, we're probably 50 percent organic in terms of what we spray out. for fungicides, pesticides, insecticides. And so we're still altering in some synthetic compounds. [00:03:28] And we wanted to compare that, what we currently do, to something that was much softer, like only soft compounds. Something that could be considered a OMRI certified organic program, or, or almost, right? Like maybe there's just one or two things that are very soft, but not technically OMRI certified. [00:03:49] Craig Macmillan: Right, and I do want to , get into the weeds on that a little bit later. Cause it's a, it's an interesting, Set a program that you've got going and I have lots of questions about them. What inspired this project? [00:04:01] Andrew Fles: I think just that continued movement towards investigating what works here in the east. You know, we, of course, get more wetting events and, and wetting periods that cause more fungal issues here compared to the west coast. And so we really, you know, we have to have an eye on sustainability. Certainly at Shady Lane, we really push for that. [00:04:25] But we also need to make sure that we have a marketable crop. We need to make sure the wine quality is, is high and acceptable for our standards. And so you know, if we're talking about, you know, every year is quite different here. We can get a, like, for example, in 2024, very wet in the first half of the year, very, very dry in the second half. [00:04:51] And, and then, which was quite different from 23 and quite different from 22 and so on and so forth. so, so some years we need to kind of step in and use a synthetic product here at this key time or, you know we need to protect our, our, our wine grape quality. [00:05:07] Craig Macmillan: What are the primary pests and diseases in your area? [00:05:11] Andrew Fles: So we have issues with the usual suspects that powdery mildew, of course. That's, that's fairly, I think if you're on top of your game, that's, it's pretty controllable. Even with soft products here it's just a spray frequency and coverage issue. [00:05:27] Downy mildew is something that can be quite challenging in certain years. [00:05:31] And there's, and there's less tools in the toolbox to use for that as well. And so you gotta, you gotta be on top of that with scouting preventative, like canopy, you know, canopy management practices that deter too dense of a canopy or, or clusters that are. hidden behind several layers of leaf. [00:05:53] Those are going to cause problems for you no matter what you're spraying, synthetic or organic, right? So, so we try and utilize all those things and and then we, we can also have issues in some years with botrytis and even sour rot and tight clustered varieties. So, so we were looking at sour rot and botrytis in the, in the cluster analysis of this portion of the , project. [00:06:18] Yeah, we have some locations can struggle with grape erinium mite. That's becoming more and more prevalent here. Wasn't an issue four years ago. Not, not really up in, up in northern Michigan anyway. So that's becoming more and more of an issue. And then we always struggle with rose chafers. It's a, it's a grub that, you know, comes out for six weeks and really terrorizes the vines. [00:06:49] And for that, for that pest, we really walk the line of the economic damage threshold, right? So, so a little, you know, we're going to see rose chafers every year. Some years are better than others. And what is our acceptable damage, you know? And so, once we see the rose chafers really getting dense in number, and also, you know, munching on a few leaves is one thing, munching on the clusters and the shoot tips is another thing. [00:07:21] Craig Macmillan: That's what I was going to ask. Yeah, I'm unfamiliar with this this pest. It, skeletonizes leaves, but it also will attack flower clusters and, and grape clusters in the early stages of development. Is that right? [00:07:34] Andrew Fles: Pretty much all green tissue. Yeah, a bunch of shoot, shoot tips leaves are probably, you know, their preferred source, I think, but anything tender. And so if, if the timing is just right where the, the inflorescences are, are you know, just coming out when the, when the beetles hatch, then they can really go for those cluster tips and, and shoot tips. [00:07:59] While we're scouting for this pest, we not only do the, you know, the density numbers and annotate that, but we look at, you know, how many are actually eating leaves versus shoot tips and clusters. [00:08:13] Craig Macmillan: Interesting, interesting. What is the design of your project and what varieties are we talking about? And what kind of variables are you measuring and how are you measuring them? [00:08:25] Andrew Fles: this is a farmer grant as opposed to a research grant. , it's tailored to folks that want to do on, on farm trials. And we want to do. Something in a significant enough volume, you know, that, that some that it would apply, it would be more applicable in the real world. [00:08:45] So for example you know, at a university they might do this randomized plots, you know, and they're using a backpack sprayer because they're, they're applying you know, three vines here, three vines there, scattered all throughout the block. And we wanted to use the sprayer that we actually use. [00:09:04] Um, and we wanted to do a bigger sections. And so what we did was we broke it up into two acre sections and we did two acres of both the traditional, the conventional program that we normally would do here and the soft treatment. So we did two acres of each in pinot noir, two acres of each in a, in a French American hybrid called ol, and then two acres of Riesling. [00:09:33] And we wanted to look at powdery, downy, botrytis, and sour rot. [00:09:38] In certain years, we can have quite a lot of botrytis and sour rot pressure in those three varieties. Because Pinot Noir of course is tight clustered. Vignole is even tighter clustered despite having that French American disease resistance package. It, it doesn't possess that for Botrytis or Sour Rot. [00:09:58] and then of course Riesling is a, is a very, it's probably the number one variety in Michigan. And as we all know, it's susceptible to Botrytis. [00:10:08] Craig Macmillan: Yeah. Big time. [00:10:10] Nice design. Great varieties to choose. I think that was really, really smart. How are you going to quantify these different variables? How are you going to measure the damage? [00:10:18] Andrew Fles: So for Powdery and Downey we just kind of did a scouting assessment. You know, how, prevalent is the infection based on how many leaves per, per per scouting event? I think off the top of my head, it was like 25 leaves. Per block that's more, I guess, anecdotal which we, and we did see that in the Pinot Noir, it was pretty clear cut that we struggled to control Downy in the soft treatment more so than in the conventional treatment. [00:10:50] It was, it was pretty clear there. And then as far as the Botrytis and Sour Rot, so that's really where the MSU team came in with the, the Rufus Isaacs lab and Dr. Rufus Isaacs and his master's PhD candidate. They did a lot of work there and, and then also the Tim Miles lab , so basically what they did is they took 25 clusters of each treatment and they did an assessment , for of course, how many berries were infected by, by botrytis and sour rot. [00:11:25] And then they also took those clusters and they hatched them out to see how many Drosophila species were there. [00:11:33] Craig Macmillan: Oh, okay. Yeah, good. That's interesting. [00:11:36] Andrew Fles: Wing drosophila here in Michigan and so really it was just the two species of traditional vinegar fly, drosophila, and then spotted wing. They did, you know, the, the statistics on that. [00:11:50] Craig Macmillan: interesting. And this is, this is a multi year project, right? [00:11:54] Andrew Fles: This was just one year. [00:11:56] Craig Macmillan: Just one year, okay. [00:11:58] And when will you have final results? [00:12:01] Andrew Fles: I have some of those already. We're going to do like a more formal presentation at a spring meeting here, a grower meeting, that's kind of co sponsored between MSU Extension and a local non profit that promotes grape and wine production in the area. So yeah, we're going to make a presentation in April on on the results and, and kind of, we're just continuing to, coalesce and, you know, tie my spray program with wedding events and then the results that they got as well. [00:12:37] Craig Macmillan: What other kinds of outreach are you doing? You're doing the meeting and you're doing other things? [00:12:41] Andrew Fles: I haven't discussed this with with Rika Bhandari as the PhD student. I suspect that she would use this in some of her publishing, you know, whether it gets published, I don't know, it's part of her Her main focus is sour rot, so this will be included in some of her presentations. [00:13:03] But I don't know that for a fact. [00:13:06] Craig Macmillan: That's exciting to get some information that's local. It's locally based and get it out to the local community as well as the broader community. I think that's really important if you don't mind I would like to get into some of the nuts and bolts of these two programs because I found that to be very interesting And then as we go talk about How that panned out for the different pests and diseases that you saw in these trials Let's talk about the soft program first You've got a dormant oil app in May and I assume you mean that there would be like JMS stylet oil or something like that [00:13:41] Andrew Fles: I think it was called bio cover. [00:13:43] Craig Macmillan: Bio cover and that's a pretty standard practice in your area I would guess [00:13:48] Andrew Fles: It is, yeah. [00:13:49] Craig Macmillan: and then the following month in June You, uh, have copper in the mix. In both the traditional and in the soft chemistry. I'm guessing that's also a common practice in your area. Probably for downy and for powdery. [00:14:06] Andrew Fles: Yeah, the copper is is something that we've been leaning towards and getting away from some of the synthetics. Which stick better to plant surfaces, we've been migrating that way anyway, these last numerous years now and so, yeah, , there are some similarities between the two programs at times it's really those key times of pre bloom and post bloom and variation that that we've traditionally. [00:14:34] Really locked in on some of the synthetic chemistries here [00:14:37] Craig Macmillan: And then also in June you have a Serenade Opti, which would be a Subtilis based material. And I believe that's also in your conventional in July. That's pretty standard practice, and that's an OMRI certified product, I believe. [00:14:52] Andrew Fles: Yes, yeah. [00:14:53] Craig Macmillan: There's some overlap there. It looks like the Rose Chaffer comes out around this time. [00:14:59] Andrew Fles: Yeah, probably it's not in front of me, but probably mid june [00:15:04] Craig Macmillan: Yeah, that's what you have here. In the traditional you've got a, a neonic, a sale. And then in the program, there's kind of a question mark here. What did you end up using in the, in the soft program for a roast chaffer? [00:15:19] Andrew Fles: Let me find it here [00:15:21] So we used neemix 4. 5 [00:15:26] Craig Macmillan: Nemix. I'm not familiar with that. Is that a Nemo based product? [00:15:28] Andrew Fles: Yeah, it's a neem oil [00:15:30] Craig Macmillan: And then in the traditional you have a neonic, a sail. Did you see a difference in Rose Chapter damage between the two? Because this is a pretty big difference here. [00:15:39] Andrew Fles: a pretty big difference in terms of [00:15:42] Craig Macmillan: Well, the modes of action obviously are very different. [00:15:45] Andrew Fles: Oh, sure, sure. Yeah, we had a little higher a little higher prevalence of rose chafers in mostly in the Pinot Noir treatments. Not so much in the Riesling, and I think that's largely because of black location. Traditionally the Pinot Noir block is our worst, one of our worst blocks in terms of rose chaffer rose chaffers are these beetles. [00:16:09] Of course, they're very similar to Japanese beetles for those listeners that, that may know that, but they really thrive in sandy soil, which is what we specialize here in northern Michigan, sandy based soil, right? [00:16:22] , and especially in un mowed fields. Right? We've really been trying to manage , our headland spaces like a prairie even more so upon joining SIP and, and learning more about making a comprehensive farm plan of, Of all of the land, right? And so we've really managed our, headlands and open fields like prairies which means minimal mowing, [00:16:47] like once a year is what we, we just mow to keep the autumn olive out. And and so we're trying to promote, you know, bird life and, and. All forms of life in these fields, which includes and sometimes an increase in rose chafers. [00:17:03] However, this 2024 was, was a. Fairly low pressure year. [00:17:09] And so I was very comfortable with, with sticking with this the soft insecticide. And we didn't feel like, you know, even though we saw this, this increase in pressure in the soft treatment, it wasn't surpassing the economic damage threshold that we are really keen. [00:17:27] And right. IPM [00:17:29] Craig Macmillan: So, true IPM. [00:17:31] Andrew Fles: IPM is very important, here, you know, where we have all these insects and it rains a lot and, you know, you got to really. Be ready to to, to scout and then react. [00:17:41] Craig Macmillan: Exactly. Yeah. And knowing what your economic injury limit is, I think it's huge. And your action threshold based on that. Tell me a little bit about the Spinosad based products. You have a couple in the soft that I assume are meant to be insecticides. [00:17:55] Andrew Fles: Yeah. The delegate. Yup. [00:17:56] Craig Macmillan: Yeah, Delegator and Trust. [00:17:59] Andrew Fles: I'll talk a little bit about intrepid as well. That's probably a foreign thing for any, any West coast listener, but that's intrepid is a it's a molting regulator and it's essentially for, in this case, for grapes, it's for grape berry moth. And this is an insect that is very difficult to do IPM on because there's a, there's kind of a morph that lives in northern Michigan that doesn't Go for the traps and so you can put traps out and it you just have no idea what's going on Because they just don't really care for the pheromones so they're really almost impossible to trap and I've talked numerous time with dr Rufus Isaacs about this and how do we you know get a handle on populations and you know They just can't get their traps to work up here. [00:18:50] We target with the intrepid, it's a, again, it's a molting regulator, so it just prevents them from developing, and it's very specific it's not a broad spectrum, so that goes on as a preventative where we have blocks near the woods, [00:19:05] because we see great berry moth coming in from wild, wild vines [00:19:10] that may or may not be in the woods, but we Where we see larva hatching is, is just kind of a perimeter. [00:19:16] So what we'll actually do is a perimeter spray. We don't even spray the whole block. We'll spray the outside row or two or three of each end. And then we just kind of blast it in. Along the, the other, you know, along the posts, the end posts. And that seems to work fairly well. [00:19:34] Craig Macmillan: Huh. [00:19:35] Andrew Fles: And then, as far as Delegate goes and Entrust those are Spinoza based products like you mentioned. [00:19:42] Those are primarily, you'll see that we put them on, well, I don't know if you can see timing, but we put them on. in September. Yeah, at the end of the season. September. [00:19:53] Yeah. Yeah. So, so those go on right around or right before even version and that is for drosophila [00:20:01] I think there's been some research recently from Cornell and then also Brock University in Canada. And I know also that Tim and Rufus have been doing trials here in Michigan as well. between the three of us out here in the, in the Northeast we're very focused on sour rot. [00:20:19] And so Michigan State along with these other folks have done these trials where they found that including an insecticide at veraison or, and then also at about 15 bricks significantly reduces sour rot infections. And that's because you're going after one of the vectors. [00:20:39] Craig Macmillan: Interesting. There's another material that I wasn't familiar with. I did a little bit of research on it. That's a product called Jet Ag, which is a hydrogen peroxide, a peracetic acid material. You have that in both the soft chemistry and your quote unquote conventional section. Is that a material you've used for a long time? [00:20:57] Andrew Fles: Yeah, we, I forget when exactly it started coming around I think probably 2015, 16 is when it was maybe released or made its way to northern Michigan and kind of coincided with with some sour rot. Issues that we have had off and on over the years with Pinot Noir or Vignole. And it's a, you know, it's a strong hydrogen peroxide. [00:21:23] It's a heavy oxidizer. It goes in and it, it, it cleans everything up. You know, it disinfects. And there's, there's some thinking as well that it, it'll kill the yeast. And some of those yeasts, the aroma is very attractive to spotted wing drosophila and regular drosophila. And so if you're, if you're kind of this is probably something that, that people, you know, that rely on native ferments might not want to hear, but you know, it really, it really disinfects the fruit which, which is key for You know, controlling sour rot. [00:21:59] And so we've used that over the years as both a preventative and a curative treatment. [00:22:05] Craig Macmillan: Right. [00:22:06] Andrew Fles: I didn't actually end up using it this year because It essentially stopped raining it was almost west coast ian here in the fall. It stopped raining in August and it didn't rain again. [00:22:19] You know, I mean, aside from like just a, you know, very, very light mist that wouldn't even penetrate the soil deeper than a centimeter. You know, so we didn't get any appreciable rain. From, I think it was maybe August 5 or 10, all the way till November 31st, or sorry, October 31st. [00:22:39] Craig Macmillan: Actually, that raises a good question. So, what is the summer precipitation like, quote unquote, in a normal year or an average year? [00:22:48] Andrew Fles: Yeah, we've been having, [00:22:49] Craig Macmillan: is it? [00:22:52] Andrew Fles: it's so variable is the, you know, we keep coming back to that. Every season is different here and it's so true even in Northern Michigan we have seen climate change affecting our summer rainfalls. So, whereas, you know, traditionally, and I say traditionally as maybe like the 80s and 90s maybe even early 2000s, you would expect to see, you know, a good four to eight inches a month. [00:23:20] you know, less, less so in, you know, in July and August is walking that more like four inch. Four inches of precipitation and you can get that sometimes in two different days [00:23:33] Craig Macmillan: Wow. [00:23:34] Andrew Fles: And that could be all or it could be spread out, you know over over several 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 different events. we had a dry June a couple years ago, I think we, I think it rained two days and amount to much. [00:23:50] And 2023, all of May we had, it rained one day. It was very dry. And so it's really been a roller coaster here in terms of what to expect as far as precipitation comes, I mean during the growing season anyway. [00:24:08] Craig Macmillan: Mm hmm. [00:24:09] Andrew Fles: It's been a challenge to know, you kind of have to have all these tools ready, right? [00:24:13] You have to have your jet ag ready. [00:24:15] If you get a bunch of infections going you got to have some of these other products ready and just , be ready for anything essentially. [00:24:24] Craig Macmillan: That, I'm just kind of reeling, I'm from California, and so like four to eight inches of rain during the growing season, it sounds like a fungal disease disaster to me. I'm impressed that you can get a crop, a vinifera crop to, to harvest with those kind of conditions. [00:24:39] Let's talk about the sustainable conventional program a little bit. Again copper appears early which would make sense. Then the insecticide portion would be a sale. It's a neonicotinoid, and then you've got a couple of fungicides in here. [00:24:55] You've got sulfur, and you've got a boscalid. Then in July again you've got a subtilis, that's serenadopty, and the, the intrepid, the IGR. August, you've got another neonic rally, and then you've got a product called ranman, or ranman. Which is a Sazofenamide, again, traditional fungicide. And then Inspire Supert, verasion, very common. And then you've got the the JetAg and Delegate, which is an antispinosid based product. When I look at this, I see a lot of very safe, very smart, very rotated fungicide chemistries here. Was this the kind of program you were using previously? [00:25:34] Andrew Fles: Yeah. And you know, it always can change a little bit. Sometimes you can't get a certain product or you can't get it in time. [00:25:42] Uh, whereas, you know, you, you're planning to use X product for your, for your kind of like You know, your, your pea sized berry spray, let's say but you, all of a sudden you have a bunch of rainfall, you know, and, and so if I was planning to use Quintech, which only covers powdery all of a sudden I have this big wedding event that was just perfect for growing downy mildew I I might switch from Quintech to and vice versa, you know, if we're, if we're into some weather, that's really favorable, it's time to push more of those serenades and you know, we've used some of the other biologicals over the years as well and, and just trying, trying to go that way as much as possible, but, you know, sometimes the weather forces your hand, like, like it did this year, you'll see in my, In my program we went into some Randman and some [00:26:35] Zampro, and those are those are very specific to to downy mildew. [00:26:41] You know, but we're still, with those products, you know, they're more expensive than something like Kaptan, you know. We Can't spray that with sip and we didn't spray it before because we don't want it on our fingers [00:26:56] The vineyard you and I don't want it in our lives So so we're always trying to go the ran man route, even though it's a little pricier, but it's very Target specific for Downey and so, you know with all the rains that we had in June and July and early July we felt like the smart play and we did start seeing some downy mildew cropping up much earlier than normal. [00:27:21] If, if we see it at all, that is. in that, at that point you want to make the call, you know, Hey, I want to get out in front of this thing. I don't want downy on my fruit. You know, if you start seeing it on growing tips, I think it was the 4th of July or the 2nd of July or something we were scouting and we were getting a lot of rain at that point and it was very humid and it was just like rain every other day for about a week there and it's like you gotta pivot and, and make the move to something that's really going to provide. control there. [00:27:52] For the soft program at that point, we were trying to use, I believe we use serenade, you know, which is more broad spectrum as far as biologicals go. We knew we wanted to keep it going after the, , the Downey with the soft chemistry. And that's why we got into the orange oil as well. [00:28:10] Craig Macmillan: Oh, interesting. [00:28:11] Andrew Fles: to, Yeah, that's, that wasn't in the proposal that I sent you, but we did pivot. I couldn't get. The cinerate it was, I was told it was on the West coast, growers were hoarding it and none of it, none of it made it over this way. I was really hoping to get my hands on some of it. [00:28:28] I've already pre ordered my 2025 cinerate. [00:28:32] Craig Macmillan: And Cinerate is a cinnamon oil based product, right? [00:28:36] Andrew Fles: Correct. Yeah. Cinnamon oil. oil. Yeah, it's another oil. [00:28:39] Yeah. Yeah. It's another one of those kind of antimicrobial oils, if you will. Um, So we pivoted to, to orange oil and thyme oil. TimeGuard has been, is a product that's been out for a number of years now. We've used it before, , we haven't really relied on it as much in the past. As, as we did with this soft treatment. [00:28:59] Craig Macmillan: Tell me a little bit more about what the outcomes have been at this point. We talked about the the pinot noir a little bit. We talked about the Rose Shafter showing up there a little bit more. At, at the end of the day, the end of the season. How did you feel about it? How did you feel about comparing the two [00:29:15] Andrew Fles: you know, it felt, it felt really good. It seemed like the soft program kept pace with the conventional for the most part. In the Pinot Noir, we had we had some more rose chaffer damage, of course, but without doing a, a full on research trial, it's hard to say that it was the treatment alone because of, as I mentioned, the location was a big factor. [00:29:38] With the downy mildew, it seemed to be a little more prevalent, certainly in the Pinot Noir on the, on the soft program that is but it never got to the point and I was, I was always ready to go in with whatever I needed to, because we don't want to have a defoliation and not being able to ripen fruit, you know, the fruit and, and especially in such a great growing year. [00:30:01] we never really resorted to. You know, breaking the glass and, and grabbing the ax and running out there and like, and it was emergency, you know, we never, we never had to do that. There was a moment there in July where, you know, where would the downy pressure we thought maybe. [00:30:19] Maybe we would have to abandon it, but then things dried up and we kept after things with with some of these, these things like thyme oil and orange oil. Getting good coverage with them is so important. But getting those on at the right time really seemed to provide enough control. [00:30:37] Craig Macmillan: Actually that's a, that's an excellent point. Let's talk about the phenology a little bit. How, for the varieties that you're growing, how big are these canopies getting? What's the spacing that they're planted on? How many gallons per acre are you using in your spray applications to get good coverage? [00:30:54] Andrew Fles: Yeah, so for the purpose of the project I stuck with 50 gallons an acre throughout the season. Which even, even for the conventional portion, traditionally I'll, I'll start with 30 gallons an acre aside from the dormant spray, of course, but like, you know, early season sprays until the canopy becomes a little denser, , I'll be at 30 gallons an acre and then probably mid July post bloom, right around bloom, perhaps , we'll ramp up the conventional to 50 gallons as well. [00:31:26] For the purposes of this, we just did 50 gallons across the board, both treatments. a lot of the canopy is well, it's really all VSP except for the vignole. Vignole is high wire cordone. And then we're talking nine by five spacing. The vinifera as well, which is pretty common around here. Double geo some spur pruning. We've really developed a kind of a hybrid system where we do a little bit of, we kind of mix cane and spur , , and alternate those in, in some of our venefera programs. [00:31:57] Craig Macmillan: And in, on the same plant? [00:31:59] Andrew Fles: Yeah. Sometimes. [00:32:01] Yeah. [00:32:01] Craig Macmillan: one side, gator the other. [00:32:03] Andrew Fles: What that does for us you know, where we get. Or we can at least, you know, and we can, sometimes we can lose a whole cane , or a lot of buds. I don't want to get too in the weeds on, on what that system is, but, but it's really developed around being able to quickly replace and adapt to cold damage. [00:32:24] And so if we need to go in and cut a trunk out, we've already got a cane growing from down low, if that makes any sense. [00:32:31] Craig Macmillan: No, that does make sense. And it's a practice that I'm familiar with from other areas in the Midwest, the North, the Northeast. Very, very smart. But that's a very different canopy architecture than you might find someplace that's all VSP. Or, you know, a double canopy situation maybe like in New York. [00:32:48] How comfortable are you now? After going through this, it sounds like you liked the softer program, you feel you got good control on most things. But if I'm understanding you correctly, you're not afraid to keep some other, other tools in the toolbox, basically. [00:33:05] Andrew Fles: Right. Yeah. And I think a big purpose of this program was to investigate some of these products. I want to highlight Problad Verde as well. [00:33:14] That's. Another one that's been out there and we've used it before as well. You know, I did a trial with Tim Miles's lab on and Rufus doing a sour rot trial in Pinot Noir in the past with pro, and it was just kind of a end of the season application of Problad with I believe we use delegate or in trust. [00:33:34] I can't remember. One of them and, this project, the SARE project was really looking at problad as being more of the backbone , of it. And, and so we ended up using that for the soft treatment pre bloom, post bloom. And then again, at version, because it has similar to jet egg, it's kind of a disinfectant, right? [00:33:57] It's this lupine seed extract that, that is a. That is a disinfectant and so it's going to go in, but because it, it's advertised anyway as having some systemic activity, [00:34:09] Craig Macmillan: Mm [00:34:10] Andrew Fles: systemic properties, that's, that's key for us in the east here. Because, hey, if we get a half inch of rain, well, it's still kind of in the leaf or it's still in some of that green flower tissue. [00:34:24] Before it opens up and blooms and so, really working problad in as instead of a kind of just end of the season toy it's really became, became the backbone of the tritus control for us in this, in this trial. And then again, looking at some of these oils, I think there's a lot of promise for. the orange oil in particular, I've, I've been seeing more and more research coming out about how you know, it does work on Downy and we did see that you know, even though we had an increase in Downy infection man, it could have been a lot worse. It was still at an acceptable level. [00:35:02] And so I think, I think I'm going to feel more and more comfortable using those products. [00:35:07] Craig Macmillan: You've demonstrated to yourself. And that's what the, that's how it works, and that's what everybody needs, to have some confidence. Which I think is really great, I was very impressed by the idea of trying things that maybe are not widely used, were not widely tested outside of maybe the West Coast, and to be able to show efficacy on your property, I think is really important. [00:35:27] I think it's one thing many of us have learned about softer materials. They may or may not work depending on what your pressure is. And that can vary region to region, but it can also vary within a region. It definitely can vary year to year, so having that flexibility that you've built into this program is very admirable. What would you say are the big picture benefits of the soft pesticide program at this point? [00:35:48] Andrew Fles: Hopefully just to increase awareness of, of how they can be effective for folks here in Michigan or, or similar climates, New York and Canada, I should say I don't think , this SARE project alone is, is going to be any sort of groundbreaking news, but I think it's just another verification and if we start to have more and more of them people will believe more and more in these products because it's just, it's at that point, it's word of mouth, right? [00:36:21] It's more and more growers are starting to back it. And, or experiment with it at least and, and see results, I think a lot of growers are very word of mouth oriented anyway. [00:36:34] So, uh, so it's very important, like, Oh, Hey, what did you try last year? And I think there's plenty of that going on in our area. [00:36:42] A bunch of us anyway, we seem to network pretty well and, and trust each other. , Oh, I use this at this key time and it really proved effective. So I think just bringing more and more awareness to these soft programs or these soft products, I should say. , and I can't really speak to the sustainability of. Farming lupin seed for for a fungicide product, you know, I can't, speak to that, but I want to believe that it's, it's a more sustainable product than, you know something that was made in a factory and, and might have petrochemicals in it. [00:37:19] Craig Macmillan: Well, it might have resistance issues as well, I think is one of the key things. And by the way, both programs I thought were very intelligent. I think like in terms of the frack rotations in the sustainable one, I thought that was really well done. Is, is there one thing that you would tell growers? [00:37:35] What's the one takeaway you would tell people from this project? You just kind of touched on one, but is there a message here for people? [00:37:43] Andrew Fles: I think the message is, you know, that we have to be really careful in crafting our. Spray program to the season that we have. If we were getting A lot more rain in September than what we ended up having I mean, we were, we were in pretty severe drought here. I think the soft program could still work. [00:38:03] But you have to choose the product and probably apply it much more frequently. You know, you have to go in and respond to those rains. , or even maybe perhaps be ready to pivot to something that is synthetic and systemic and curative. You know, maybe you have to go in with a hammer, but that doesn't mean that, you know, the majority of this growing season can't be done in a very soft way. [00:38:30] And so we're really just responding to that weather. But I think if this is our focus , to use these softer chemistries on things that we're going to drink or eat, even if it's vegetables, I think that these products are becoming better and better and there's becoming more and more of them, which is really encouraging to see you know, 10 years ago, maybe we had serenade and And you know, a couple of other products, but now, now there's, they're really becoming prevalent. [00:38:58] And so I think the take home is, is crafting that spray program with these new found tools that we have. Problads, , your crop, , your what, what should I call them? Like your aromatic oils, lack of better term, like orange oil, thyme oil, cinnamon oil. You know, I think these things do have a place. [00:39:17] Craig Macmillan: Where can people find out more about you? [00:39:19] Andrew Fles: Well, they can visit ShadyLaneCellers. com and there's stuff in there about our farm and in what we do and where we are, who we are a little bit. And then also there will be, and I could get you this information if you're interested, so this spring meeting where we're going to present the results of this believe we'll have a Zoom link option. [00:39:43] Craig Macmillan: As a reference date, this is being recorded in February of 2025. And so spring meeting will be coming up in a few months from here. I'm not sure when this will air, but even anything is fantastic. So I really want to thank you for being on the episode. Our guest today was Andy Fless, he's Vineyard Manager at Shadyland Cellars and you've been a great guest. Hey, thanks for being on the podcast. [00:40:03] Andrew Fles: My pleasure, Craig. Thanks a lot for having me. [00:40:08] Beth Vukmanic: Thank you for listening. 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