Podcast appearances and mentions of Jerry Heller

Dropping his first single in 1988, Don Cisco might be the Bay Area's first Latino rapper on record. Growing up in the diverse Excelsior District, he gravitated towards hip-hop early during the emergence of West Coast rap, signing major label deals and a management contract with Ruthless Records' Jerry Heller. When that didn't work out, he started dropping independent projects in the Bay Area and started working with the likes Mac Dre, Baby Bash, Jay Tee, Kid Frost, Roger Troutman, and many more. His song "Mamacita" appeared on the Next Friday soundtrack and his single "Oh Boy" with Kurupt and Roscoe was a regional hit. Since then he's dealt with life's ups and downs but continues to push forward and make new music.--For promo opportunities on the podcast, e-mail: info@historyofthebay.com--History of the Bay Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3ZUM4rCv6xfNbvB4r8TVWU?si=9218659b5f4b43aaOnline Store: https://dregsone.myshopify.com Follow Dregs One:Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/1UNuCcJlRb8ImMc5haZHXF?si=poJT0BYUS-qCfpEzAX7mlAInstagram: https://instagram.com/dregs_oneTikTok: https://tiktok.com/@dregs_oneTwitter: https://twitter.com/dregs_oneFacebook: https://facebook.com/dregsone41500:00 Intro01:51 Excelsior District05:13 Getting into music08:36 First single in 198814:43 Jerry Heller, Suge Knight21:34 Early 90s Latino rap28:49 Nick Peace, Tone Capone33:29 Thizz36:37 JT and Baby Bash: Latino Velvet40:53 Next Friday soundtrack45:48 “Oh Boy” with Kurupt52:45 Fighting the feds59:15 Losing friends1:02:34 Roger Troutman1:06:48 Mac Dre in Excelsior1:09:28 Upcoming projects

Terry Heller is the nephew of legendary Ruthless Records co-founder and NWA Manager, Jerry Heller. Although now the CEO of a roofing company, Terry was in the room where it happened for an endless number of '80s and '90s rap stories. When Eazy-E started, Terry was there! JJ Fad, Terry was there! Dr. Dre? DJ Yella? Terry was THERE! It's a fascinating tale of the growth and evolution of the hip hop industry by somebody who saw it from the beginning.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/90who10/donations

Sub to the PPM Patreon to access the unabridged versions of both parts of Diddy Declassified Dossier #4 via this link: patreon.com/ParaPowerMapping In light of recent Diddler grand jury indictment developments, “Diddy Declassified” class is back in session. Co-investigators SLANK & Klonny Gosch broadcasting Dossier # 4 straight into your eardrums.  4 hrs of revelatory, new material bifurcated into:  • Part 4.A - A solo intro segueing us back into the series after a couple months away, including coverage of the slew of new lawsuit complaints & Diddy's accelerating downfall. File under… the Thalia Graves & Gloria Allred complaint & presser; ex-Diddler bodyguard Big Joe Sherman, his porno mag publishing co. Rhymes & Dimes, and he & the Didder's alleged rape tape distro, sending our noided senses tingling & taking the blackmail dimensions of the Diddy case to a whole new level; Diddy buddy Mayor Adams's bribery & corruption indictment; Diddy & SBF as bunkmates; Diddy's ties to the Lauder & Bronfman families, which reinforces his rep as Rap Game Jeffrey Epstein as it ties him ever closer to the Epstein-affiliated  M e g a  Group; Diddy's appointment of the former attorney for NXIVM sex cult leader Keith Raniere, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, Harvey Weinstein, & Martin Shkreli, which may hint at either Weinstein or the Bronfmans rec-ing Marc Agnifilo to him; Edgar Bronfman Sr's World Jewish Congress presidency; Diddy palling around w/ his onetime label head Ed Bronfman Jr. of Warner Music; and then like some of the most sus guest lists ever at Puff's Sean John x Estée Lauder fragrance launched. Etc. • Part 4.B - In which SLANK and I pick our convo back up, as we resume mapping out the Diddler's sex trafficking nexus, the US intel & fed law enforcement interlocks, & the  Z i o n i s t  influence in hip hop. File under… Lyor Cohen, Rahm Emmanuel, Jerry Heller's ex-I*D*F thug threatening Suge Knight, Chance the Rapper, 21 Savage's Nuwaubian cult origins, Afrika Bambaataa CSA accusations, & Hip Hop Cop Derrick Parker, head of the N*Y*P*D Rap Intel Unit. We uncover the Diddler's direct connex to this COINTEL•PRO legacy program via his longtime ties to Det Parker, who self-confessed he graduated to working security for Diddy's Freak-Off parties—the implications are major

Sub to the PPM Patreon to access the unabridged versions of both parts of Diddy Declassified Dossier #4 via this link: ⁠patreon.com/ParaPowerMapping⁠ Your support keeps the Independent Cork Board Researchers Union local lights on & enables the continuation of this project. Thank you. In light of recent Diddler grand jury indictment developments, “Diddy Declassified” class is back in session. Co-investigators SLANK & Klonny Gosch broadcasting Dossier # 4 straight into your eardrums.  4 hrs of revelatory, new material bifurcated into:  • Part 4.A - A solo intro segueing us back into the series after a couple months away, including coverage of the slew of new lawsuit complaints & Diddy's accelerating downfall. File under… the Thalia Graves & Gloria Allred complaint & presser; ex-Diddler bodyguard Big Joe Sherman, his porno mag publishing co. Rhymes & Dimes, and he & the Didder's alleged rape tape distro, sending our noided senses tingling & taking the blackmail dimensions of the Diddy case to a whole new level; Diddy buddy Mayor Adams's bribery & corruption indictment; Diddy & SBF as bunkmates; Diddy's ties to the Lauder & Bronfman families, which reinforces his rep as Rap Game Jeffrey Epstein as it ties him ever closer to the Epstein-affiliated  M e g a  Group; Diddy's appointment of the former attorney for NXIVM sex cult leader Keith Raniere, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, Harvey Weinstein, & Martin Shkreli, which may hint at either Weinstein or the Bronfmans rec-ing Marc Agnifilo to him; Edgar Bronfman Sr's World Jewish Congress presidency; Diddy palling around w/ his onetime label head Ed Bronfman Jr. of Warner Music; and then like some of the most sus guest lists ever at Puff's Sean John x Estée Lauder fragrance launched. Etc. • Part 4.B - In which SLANK and I pick our convo back up, as we resume mapping out the Diddler's sex trafficking nexus, the US intel & fed law enforcement interlocks, & the  Z i o n i s t  influence in hip hop. File under… Lyor Cohen, Rahm Emmanuel, Jerry Heller's ex-I*D*F thug threatening Suge Knight, Chance the Rapper, 21 Savage's Nuwaubian cult origins, Afrika Bambaataa CSA accusations, & Hip Hop Cop Derrick Parker, head of the N*Y*P*D Rap Intel Unit. We uncover the Diddler's direct connex to this COINTEL•PRO legacy program via his longtime ties to Det Parker, who self-confessed he graduated to working security for Diddy's Freak-Off parties—the implications are major

Layzie Bone Sets The Record Straight On Eazy-E, 2Pac, Biggie, Suge Knight, Fat Joe and Jerry Heller.Layzie Bone sets the record straight and addresses rumors surrounding Bone Thugs-N-Harmony and Eazy-E

In this episode, Suge responds to podcast fans who have asked him to go through each person that was a key part of Death Row Records and give his rundown on the good and bad about them. First up, Dr. Dre. Suge talks us back to the early days of meeting Dre when he was signed to Eazy E and Jerry Heller's Ruthless Records. Suge talks about the soundtrack to the movie “Deep Cover,” and how much of an important role it played in getting Death Row off the ground. Suge commends Dre for not running off when the war between Ruthless and Death Row got going. Suge talks about the challenges for many in the music industry that lead a double life and how challenging it was for Suge himself to manage and grow a business in this environment. Suge goes into Dr. Dre's history of beating women, comparing it to the situation with Diddy and Cassie. Suge continues to point out the powers that be at the major record labels and their role in creating and supporting these types of activities. In a special epilogue to this episode, Suge provides a graphic detailing of Dr. Dre's brutal 1991 attack on Fox TV video show host Dee Barnes. Despite gag orders for all parties that came with a legal settlement made at the time, Dr. Dre would later re-hash his violent attack on Ms. Barnes in the Eminem song “Guilty Conscience,” where the Dre and Eminem make fun of what happened. Finally, Suge reveals never-before-heard details he learned from Barnes' husband Ricky Harris shortly before his death in 2016. This episode is sponsored by Earnin. Download Earnin today in the Google Play or Apple app store. Type in “Collect Call” under podcast when you sign up. This episode is sponsored by Home Chef. For 18 free meals, free shipping and free dessert for life,go to https://HomeChef.com/Suge for details. This episode is sponsored by Rocket Money. Stop paying for all those unwanted monthly subscription charges, go to https://Rocketmoney.com/Suge for details NEW EPISODES OF COLLECT CALL WITH SUGE KNIGHT ARE RELEASED WEEKLY Executive Producer: Brett Jeffries (@igobybrettj) Executive Producer: Toi-Lin Kelly Producer: Legend Knight Producer: Vince Ewing IG: @BreakbeatMedia @OfficialSugeKnight @CollectCallWithSugeKnight Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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On this episode of Collect Call With Suge Knight, Suge gets down to the truth about Jimmy Iovine's manipulative ways, how pinning crews against each other has become the industry's oldest trick. Some interesting information is revealed about Tupac's mother, Afeni Shakur. Suge also addresses the recent call Dave Mays received from Snoop Dogg for being part of the groundbreaking podcast Collect Call.   1:37 Suge explains why owning your publishing and masters was so important to him 2:23 Suge gets an offer from Michael Fuchs to leave Interscope/Time-Warner but he stays loyal to Jimmy Iovine and Ted Field 4:09 Suge describes a lawsuit related to Kurupt that Interscope settled for $50,000 but it ended up costing Suge $10 million 4:58 While Suge is in prison, Interscope sends Suge a letter saying they will no longer distribute Death Row 5:40 Dr. Dre does an interview saying gangster rap is over and he will no longer put out music with profanity 6:35 After some of Suge's master reels allegedly get stolen by Daz and MC Hammer, Jimmy Iovine makes a call to take over storage Suge's archive of masters 9:33 Suge comes home from prison and goes to see Jimmy Iovine, who tells him that he took all of the drum beats off of the Death Row master recordings and gave them to Dr. Dre 10:57 Jimmy Iovine and David Cohen tell Suge that Afeni Shakur brought guys with guns and took all of Tupac's masters from them 11:43 Suge talks about the creation of the "One Nation" project that Death Row and Tupac were doing to unite all the regions of hip-hop  12:57 Suge recalls Afeni visiting him in prison and Afeni tells him that Interscope told her that Suge had her son killed 14:46 Jimmy visits Suge and wants to use the name “The Chronic” for the next Dr. Dre album; he tells Suge that he will pay him $1 per record sold, but they end up putting just The Chronic leaf logo on the album and not the words 17:19 Interscope, Sony and Death Row get sued by the Harris's 18:39 Jimmy curries favor with Snoop by paying $800,000 for a music video for the song “Midnight Love” without Suge's approval 20:01 Jimmy meets with Dr. Dre to try to get him to come over to Interscope; Jimmy pays for a $1 million studio in Dre's house that Suge didn't approve and then recoups it from Suge and Death Row 21:48 Dave gets a phone call from Snoop Dogg who tells Dave that Suge wasn't the one who paid for his legal fees during his murder trial that they were paid by Jimmy Iovine 23:55 Suge speaks on producing evidence that he paid for Snoop's legal fees during his murder trial 24:19 Suge says he is going after Jimmy Iovine and David Kenner for money owed and fraud 26:45 Suge says he's been hearing about plans for Denzel Washington and Antoine Fuqua to do a Death Row documentary without him 29:25 Suge compares what it was like fighting with Jerry Heller and Ruthless Records versus fighting with Jimmy Iovine and Interscope Records 33:10 Suge says he has retained the Death Row merchandising rights and will be suing Jack In The Box for allowing Snoop to wear a Death Row chain in their new commercial Special shout out to D Dog! NEW EPISODES OF COLLECT CALL WITH SUGE KNIGHT ARE RELEASED WEEKLY Make sure you comment, like and subscribe on Apple, Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. Visit the @BreakbeatMedia YouTube page for video versions of our shows, https://www.youtube.com/@breakbeatmedia Executive Producers: Dave Mays (@therealdavemays) & Brett Jeffries (@igobybrettj) Executive Producer: Toi-Lin Kelly Editor & Producer: Trae Quaintance for Black Wolf Agency Producer: Christopher Samuel (@Christylezz) Production Manager: Norvin Leeper Audio: Cornell Sanner Sound effects: Envato Elements IG: @BreakbeatMedia @OfficialSugeKnight @TheRealDaveMays

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August 11, 2023 is the 50th anniversary of hip-hop. What started out mostly as a spoken word artform has become a worldwide juggernaut. Thanks to the moguls who pushed the genre forward, hip-hop went from 0 to 100.In this episode, we rank the 50 greatest moguls in hip-hop's history. We reached out to industry experts — from artists to execs to media personalities — to help us compile the list. Friend of the pod, Zack O'Malley Greenburg, joins me to count them down from No. 50 to No. 10:39 How do we define “mogul”7:06 Honorable mentions09:10 The “Don't overlook their influence” group (ranks 50-41)16:19 The “Playing chess not checkers” group (ranks 40-31)23:38 The “Our impact runs deep” group (ranks 30-21)33:47 No. 2035:37 No. 1937:56 No. 1841:32 No. 1744:27 No. 1647:21 No. 1551:22 No. 14 55:55 No. 1359:09 No. 121:00:46 No. 111:02:16 No. 101:04:39 No. 91:06:44 No. 81:10:20 No. 71:14:06 No. 61:15:37 No. 51:17:11 No. 41:20:53 No. 31:29:06 No. 21:30:34 No. 11:33:22 Who got snubbed?1:35:42 What trends stick out from the list?1:41:21 Who would you pick to run your empire?Listen: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | SoundCloud | Stitcher | Overcast | Amazon | Google Podcasts | Pocket Casts | RSSHost: Dan Runcie, @RuncieDan, trapital.coGuests: Zack O'Malley Greenburg, @zogblogThis episode is sponsored by DICE. Learn more about why artists, venues, and promoters love to partner with DICE for their ticketing needs. Visit dice.fmEnjoy this podcast? Rate and review the podcast here! ratethispodcast.com/trapitalTrapital is home for the business of music, media and culture. Learn more by reading Trapital's free memo.TRANSCRIPT[00:00:00] Zack Greenburg: ownership. Was just such an important thing for Nipsey. Such an important thing for Berner. And, you know, interviewing the two of them, I would say, their mindset around ownership was the closest I've ever seen to Jay Z.[00:00:13] Dan Runcie Intro Audio: Hey, welcome to the Trapital Podcast. I'm your host and the founder of Trapital, Dan Runcie. This podcast is your place to gain insights from the executives in music, media, entertainment, and more who are taking hip hop culture to the next level.[00:00:39] Dan Runcie Guest Intro: This episode is a celebration to hip hop's 50th anniversary. This is a countdown on the 50 greatest moguls ever in hip hop. I'm joined by Zack O'Malley Greenburg, friend of the pod, and we both reached out to. A bunch of label heads, executives, people in hip hop that would know best. And we put it together in an aggregate list.And we're here to break down that list today. We talk about what does it mean to be a mogul? What are some of the considerations we made when we were looking into this list ourselves, how the results looked, what surprised us? What were the snubs? What were the misses? And what can we learn from this overall?And if Zack and I were putting together our dream teams, what would that look like? This is a lot of fun. Really happy with how it turned out. So let's dive in.[00:01:25] Dan Runcie: All right, hip hop's 50th anniversary is right around the corner and we decided to celebrate it in the only way that we know best countdown hip hop's greatest moguls and I'm joined by Zack O'malley Greenburg, who reached out to me about this. I was really excited about it and we spent some time over the past couple of weeks, reaching out to people we know, making sure that we have the best insights looking through and making sure that we had all of the. Breakdowns to share. So Zack, I'm ready for this. How are you feeling?[00:01:55] Zack Greenburg: I am stoked. Yeah, I mean, you know, 50th anniversary of hip hop. We reached out to 50 different judges. amongst, you know, the sort of, the most respected folks from, you know, label heads to artists to entrepreneurs, you know, I think we've got half of them, roughly half of them replied since in their votes, we're going to keep their individual votes anonymous, but, you know, Dan could tell you about some of the judges.Yeah, and it was just really fun to kind of mix it up, you know, I think the thing about this list, a lot of these characters are just kind of an apples to oranges comparison as you'll see once we dive into it, but that's the beauty of it, right? I mean, how do you, you know, compare like a pioneering executive to like a modern day artist mogul? And we really kind of left it in the hands of the judges. And we just said, basically the only guidance was, this is a business focused list, but you know, you can rank artists, executives, people who are both. It just, whatever your definition of mogul is, that's how, you know, that's how you should rank them. And people submitted lists and obviously the higher they rank somebody, the more points we gave them and, you know, the lower they got, but, you know, so there's some people on there who are like accumulators. They ended up on everybody's list, but not so high, but, you know, as a result, they ended up on the top 50.And then there are some who were just like, not ranked at all by most people, but had a couple of really high ranks so that they made the list. So I think it's a pretty cool mix.[00:03:10] Dan Runcie: Right? It's kind of like how we look at artists. There's some artists that have just been consistent, steady through and through each year. You'll always get some reliable output from them, but then there are other artists too. They were the best for a certain amount of time. Maybe they cooled off for a bit.Maybe they came back and that's kind of the way music is too. One of the things that. I was asked whenever I was reaching out to people about this was the same thing that you posed earlier. People wanted to know, how are we defining mogul and we left it up to their interpretation. It is a term that means different things to different people, but maybe for the sake of this conversation, let's kick it off here.Zack, how do you define mogul? And how did you define it when creating your list?[00:03:51] Zack Greenburg: Yeah, I mean, to me a hip hop mogul, more general is just, you know, somebody who not only is a business person, but has some degree of ownership, in whatever it is that they're doing. that's not the only definition of it for me, but like, you know, when I was putting together my rankings, I thought, you know, who are the owners?the same time, you know, people who are executives who are in a decision making place. you know, that counts for something. And I think also, you know, if you're an artist, and you simply have some control over your own work, you maintain your copyrights, whatever, like that counts as being a mogul. So, you know, specifically when it comes to hip hop, you know, I'd say people who are, you know, definitely getting in charge of your own work, but also creating new lines of business, you know, influencing the culture. but you know, a way that they've got some skin in the game from a business perspective, you know, that, kind of thing.That's kind of how I looked at it. but you could see from the votes that, you know, everybody had a slightly different definition too.[00:04:47] Dan Runcie: Yeah, there was definitely a lot of correlation with the artists who tend to be the ones that are the wealthiest. They end up at the highest rankings in on some of those lists, too, but it wasn't exactly correlated because there's a difference. And these are some of the things I kept in mind, too, with the mogul definition, thinking specifically aboutinfluence and impact, were you having, or did you create opportunities for others around you? Were you able to be a bit of a kingmaker or queenmaker in your respective right? Was there a impact in terms of other generations that either looked and modeled how they're doing what they're doing and looking at you as some form of inspiration with that?So there's the indirect impact and influence, but also the, Indirect piece of it too. So there's the money piece as well, but then what do you do with that money? And then that's how I had went about it. And similarly, everyone had their own unique spin to it.[00:05:42] Zack Greenburg: Yeah, for sure. And, you know, and I think the definition changed over time, of what a mogul really is, but when I was putting my rankings together, I think the idea of starting something new, you know, that's also paramount, amongst all the criteria as well.[00:05:55] Dan Runcie: Right? So, of course, Zack and I had our list, but we reached out to a number of people and several other label heads, executives, and people that are in the game.So thank you all to your contributions. We couldn't have done this without you. And if anything, it helped add a variety beyond just you and I, getting and putting our list out there. It added a more full scope and like anything. Oh, this is how you look at it. Interesting and being able to pull unique insights there.[00:06:21] Zack Greenburg: Yeah, for sure. you know, one thing I think we probably ought to point out, on the list, you know, the list is, heavily male. but it's about only 20% women on the list. you know, we did everything we could obviously to make it more equitable, but, you know, the votes are the votes.And, you know, I think there is a bit of a reflection of sort of the state of affairs over the past half century, you know, unfortunately, like many parts of music business, hip hop has been, you know, heavily overindexing for males. So, you know, here's hoping that when 50 years to do a hundred years of hip hop, you know, we'll have even things out a bit or completely, let's say maybe even, you know, made up for lost time, but I think some of the spots on the list, you know, the rankings do kind of reflect an industry reality that we've seen, unfortunately for 50 years.[00:07:06] Dan Runcie: Right? And hopefully this gets better. We do feel and you'll see when we talk about some of the people here, glad about some of the names that got mentioned. Of course, there's always room to be able to have more and hopefully for hip hop's 100th anniversary. If when and people are breaking that down, there's hopefully even more representation there.So, with that, I think it's probably good for us to get started right before the list, but talk about some of the honorable mentions. So, there were people that didn't quite make the cut of 50, but we still wanted to highlight them and the work that they. Did here. So a few of those names here to give a shout out to.So we have Cindy Campbell, Jermaine Dupree, Audrey Harrell, Jay Cole, Damon John. What comes or what do you think about when you hear those names?[00:07:55] Zack Greenburg: Yeah, you know, I mean, Cindy Campbell, I think in many ways you could look at her as the first promoter in hip hop history, right? I mean, you know, we're talking about 50 years of hip hop. That's 50 years from that first party that. She and DJ Kool Herc through, you know, in the rec room on Cedric Avenue.And, I think the idea was that they were going to raise a little bit of cash so she could go get herself a new back to school wardrobe. Now, if that's not, you know, entrepreneurship and hip hop, you know, from the very beginning, I don't know what it is. And so I think Cindy deserves a ton of credit, for being there at the very beginning, you know, but I think on the honorable mentions to a lot of the folks that are on here, you know, or maybe like a little bit, you know, not exactly falling on the same radar, you know, for the list. So like, you know, Damon John, obviously he did with, you know, creating FUBU and, you know, everything he's done as an entrepreneur, it's incredible, but it, I think it's sort of like more of a national brand that is, you know, apart from hip hop and so is his personality, right? Like you see him on shark tank or, you know, whatever, like he sort of moved past, I wouldn't necessarily categorize him, as just hip hop, although he's had a tremendous impact on hip hop.So I think probably that's why, he wasn't on more lists. It's not to sort of ding him his impact, which is considerable.[00:09:10] Dan Runcie: Right, and I do think that of course, music is one element of hip hop. You do have fashion, you do have others. So music definitely got weighted heavily in this list, but Dave and John and his influence in fashion, and there's other people in fashion and we'll get into them in this list too, but we can't overlook everything he did there and some of the more unique and clever marketing tactics that came from food booth that other people did who will mention in this list as well. 1 person that I do want to highlight here from that list 2 people. So, Jermaine Dupri want to give him a shout out as well. Just everything he was able to do with.So, so Def records. He was part of that movement in the 90s, where you saw LaFace and then all these other groups in the South be able to come up, do their own. There was a so so deaf sound, a so so Def vibe and his ability to do it both in rap, but also have a bit of the soul there. Some of the epic production that he's been involved with, even outside of hip hop, thinking about albums like Mariah Carey's Emancipation of Mimi and others, even though he didn't always do everything in hip hop. I think that some of his influence can't go overstated there. And then the second person who's similar in that regard, I would say is Andre Harrell. We talked about him in past episodes, especially the bad boy one, but everything that he did from Uptown Records and then moving on to Motown Records and gave in many ways helped give Puff the blueprint for what he was able to do years later.[00:10:37] Zack Greenburg: Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, I think Andre had a lot of successes, also had a lot of failures, not necessarily, you know, through his own doing, the time, but definitely somebody who deserves, you know, a hat tip at the very least. And, you know, I'm sure Puff would agree about that too.[00:10:52] Dan Runcie: Agreed. Agreed. All right. We ready ready to get into it.[00:10:57] Zack Greenburg: Let's do it.[00:10:58] Dan Runcie: All right. So in the initial group here, which we're calling the don't overlook their influence group. This is people who are ranked 50 through 41. so in order we have Ethiopia have to Marion at 50. She was the former CEO of Motown. We have Top Dog, co founder and CEO of Top Dog Entertainment. We have Mona Scott Young from her work at Violators and more recently Love Hip Hop. And what she also has done with Hip Hop Homicides and some other multimedia projects. We have T.I. with everything he's done with Grand Hustle and Multimedia. We have Eazy E with Priority Records. Many ways pioneering so much of the stuff we saw.We have Todd Moskowitz, L. A. Reed, Craig Kalman, former CEO from Atlantic. We have Sylvia Roan and then tied for 40. We have Desiree Perez and Steve Stout. What are your thoughts on that group list?[00:11:55] Zack Greenburg: Oh, man, I don't know. Maybe we should just pick out a few here and there that we thought were particularly interesting. I mean, you know, I think Ethiopia is a good example of somebody who would be higher up if she were identified, you know, solely as a, you know, as a hip hop mogul, but she's had kind of like a pretty wide reach, you know, especially in R and B, and pop. I mean, some of the stuff she's done with Erykah Badu, NeYo, Stevie Wonder, you know, like over the years, you know, wouldn't be classified as hip hop, but it's worth it nonetheless. just think that, you know, being kind of like in between, in between genres, you know, resulted in her being down a little bit further on the list.But, you know, somebody who had a tremendous impact. you know, I would also, I would highlight TI here, you know, the self proclaimed King of the South, but, you know, in terms of, I remember the years when, you know, we were putting together the Forbes list and, you know, kind of looking at, you know, kind of regionally who is most important to me.Yeah, he was sort of like. The Jay Z of the South. And he was really, especially when he was having that moment, you know, getting a lot of songs on, you know, national radio and, kind of being in the public eye, I mean, had a tremendous business focus, you know, he was always interested in sort of like, what's the next thing that I can create?and you know, that kind of entrepreneurial energy, you know, I think, especially within the context of the South, like taking the blueprint, from guys like Jay Z, you know, I think he certainly deserves a mention. I kind of thought he'd end up higher here, but I guess he's been, not as, especially in the music front lately.and then I would definitely highlight, Desiree, you know, she's somebody who's been behind the scenes for a really long time, with Jay Z and rock nation, but like. she runs rock nation. And although Jay Z obviously has the final say in things, you know, a lot of things that you see, come out of that camp are, you know, her doing and have her fingerprints all over them.And I know some of y'all might have seen the Book of Hove exhibit at the Brooklyn Museum or the Brooklyn Public Library that was a Desiree Perez production and, you know, she said that it was like her emptying her 80, 000 square foot storage unit into the library, but, you know, but to have, you know, that kind of, impact at a place like Roc Nation and to help, you know, Jay Z do what he's done, you know, I think those are all worthy, of notation and, you know, I think she deserves her spot there for sure.[00:14:09] Dan Runcie: Yeah, Desiree is someone that has been working with Jay Z for a while now, and I feel like she deserved a shout out on Jay's verse in Pound Cake, the Drake song. You know where he's like, Dave made millions, Lyor made millions. I feel like Desiree should have gotten a shout out there too, but yeah.I'm glad that she got mentioned here. Two other names I'll run through quickly. Steve Stout, someone who I thought would have ended up higher, and I know that, you know, it was interesting to see how the results played out, but I do think that one of the best marketers that we've seen come through hip hop.He was ahead of the curve in a number of ways, dating back to the 90s with seeing the men in black sunglasses and everything that he's done there from his time working with Nas, everything that they've done, whether it was the firm or, him being a record executive himself and then showing as well, how he's able to do it in advertising and bringing a lot of these companies and brands that didn't necessarily align or think about being related with, you know, hip hop culture and those elements to be able to do it.You look at a company like State Farm and how we now look at what that company has done. And a lot of that is through his work and obviously with what he's done at United Masters. So shout out there and I also do want to give a shout out to Mona Scott Young mentioned her earlier, but she was a right hand to someone who will mention on the list as well coming up soon with everything she did in Violator, this is back when, you know, Q Tip and Busta Rhymes and that whole crew were doing their thing. And then later, I know people have a lot of polarizing opinions about love and hip hop, but if you look at the career opportunities that were created for people that have came through, and the longevity that she's granted, a lot of people that the record industry forgot about that she was able to continue to give opportunities for think about the trick daddies, Trina's and folks like that. I know people hate to see them arguing on camera, but would we have Cardi B where she is today? If it weren't for the platform of love and hip hop, and she's continued to do things with other vocals on the list that we'll get into. So I do want to give a shout out to her[00:16:08] Zack Greenburg: Yeah, definitely a worthy shout out. And we could probably go on and on about even just like the tent in this bracket here, but I suppose we ought to, we ought to move on to the next room before, before we run[00:16:19] Dan Runcie: indeed. Yep. So the next group is playing chest, not checkers. So at 39, we have Dave Mays, founder of the source 38. We have Irv Gotti, founder of Murder, Inc. 37, Cardi B 36, Lil Wayne 35, Nipsey Hussle, 34. Steve Rifkin, from Loud Records 33, Missy Elliot. 32 Birder from Cookies, 31 Kevin Lyles and 30 Chris Lighty.[00:16:47] Zack Greenburg: Oh man, this is a pretty stacked bracket, I must say. I think that, you know, there are a couple of names that stick out to me here. I'm going to go with Nipsey and Berner, because in a funny way, I think, they have like a sort of a similar, a sort of similar strategy, which is like, you have a very clear idea of what it is that you're going to do.You own it, and then you, you know, you continue to own it like ownership. Was just such an important thing for Nipsey. Such an important thing for Berner. And, you know, interviewing the two of them, I would say, their mindset around ownership was the closest I've ever seen to Jay Z. and they really understood from the beginning that they had to own all their music.Own all of their branding own, you know, the companies that create on the side and then they can monetize it later. And, you know, with Nipsey rest in peace. I mean, he was just on the cusp of, of kind of like becoming a mainstream superstar, you know, when, his life ended all too soon. So, I think what Berner is doing with cookies is really fascinating like Berner is, you know, you want to talk, lists. I mean, he's in the top five, probably the top four or three at this point, in terms of net worth for actual, hip hop artists. And that's because of the success of cookies and, you know, there's been, a lot of ups and downs in the cannabis business lately, but like the amount of ownership that he has, you know, I think it amounts to about one third still of cookies, which is, you know, a billion dollar brand. When we gets legalized, you know, like he's going to see the fruits of his labor and, that focus on ownership I think is really going to pay off on the longterm.So I would highlight those two guys, in this tier as the ones that, I think were the most impressive to me. That's not to shade anybody else, but,[00:18:25] Dan Runcie: Yeah, those two guys are also two of the few people who I see people still wearing their merchandise on a regular basis. Granted, I live in San Francisco. There's a cookie store here. So, I mean, I know there is a local connection for sure, but same with Nipsey Hussle. I mean, sadly, it's now been over 4 years since he passed away, and you still see Crenshaw shirts.He understood, Nipsey especially, understood exactly where everything's going. And it's just so sad that, you know, it was gone so soon. Two names, I'm going to shout out here. I'm going to shout. I'm going to shout out Cardi B and I want to shout out Chris Lighty. So Cardi B talked about her a little with the Mona Scott young piece, but she's entered and ran her rap career more uniquely than other artists that we've seen at her level have. And I think that speaks a lot to just where the game is now. It's been over six years since Bodak Yellow came out. And it's been over five years now since her debut album. This is someone who hasn't put out a studio album in over five years.And hasn't gone on tour in a traditional way, but it's still doing her thing. And I think this is one of the things that's unique. She finds interesting ways to monetize herself and to put herself on. She's like, Hey, I can do these private shows and they're going to pay me, you know, 1. 5 million or 3 million just to do a half an hour set.I'm going to do my thing. I'm going to be there at Super Bowl weekend. I may not be performing at the Super Bowl, but I'm going to go do these private shows for Bob craft or the fanatics event or all these things and collect the checks. it's very interesting to see younger artists to do that Lionel Richie playbook, but she is like, Hey, I don't necessarily have to do that. And even though people always do try to, you know, loop her into the Nicki Minaj versus Cardi B beef, she still has lended her hand and extended it to other young artists, especially women in the game, whether it's Ice Spice and others, whether she's doing it through her talents and others. So she's someone that I hope as she continues on, you know, into her thirties and into her forties can continue to rise up this list.And then Chris Lighty talked about a little bit with Mona Sky Young, co founder of Violator and everything they're able to do there. Sad that he was taken away so soon, but if you have not heard this yet and if you haven't listened to the podcast, I highly recommend the Mogul podcast series that was done several years ago on it.It was done by Reggie Yose, who is Combat Jack, who has since passed away as well, but I highly recommend that if you want a full breakdown on everything Chris Leite did. Violator and after that was truly one of the early ones looking at product partnerships and a lot of the things that we see now that are common in hip hop.[00:21:07] Zack Greenburg: And, you know, if we didn't have Chris Lighty, I don't think we would have had 50 Cent. I mean, at least not to the extent that we have him. you know, I mean, I remember writing my first story about 50 and like for Forbes, maybe 2008 and sitting down with Chris and just kind of like hearing him lay out the plan.And again, it's the emphasis on ownership, right? you know, Chris Leidy, I think was the one who really pushed, 50 to take the equity in vitamin water and his parent company, rather than just do an endorsement. And, you know, obviously that became a huge, deal and really like a model for so much, not only of hip hop, but like other parts of the entertainment industry, you know, I think Chris definitely deserves a spot, maybe even should be a little higher. and you know, probably also, there's, you know, again, all these folks deserve a shout out, but Kevin Lyles, I think is, got one of the most inspirational stories. you know, it's another person, I think we've both interviewed a bunch of times, but, you know, just his journey from intern to president of Def Jam and I think seven years. And he just did it by working harder than everybody else like he wasn't an artist that got put there because he had some hit, it wasn't some kind of like nepotism deal, you know, he just outworked everybody and, you know, he had the talent and, you know, the horsepower to just like get it done. And to make that journey within seven years. So I think it's, for people who are listening and, you know, want to do something like that with their own career, you know, study Kevin Miles because he was able to make it, without being, you know, some kind of like preternatural, singing talent or something like that he just did it on smarts and work ethic.[00:22:39] Dan Runcie: And one of the few people that co founded a record label and sold it a decade later for hundreds of millions of dollars, which is what he did 300 as well. Right? So of course, not 300 now underwater, but everything he did with Lyor and Todd, there, is impressive. There's not that many black founders in general. In tech, any sector that have built and exited companies for several hundred, a million dollars, the way that he was able to be a part of that. So, hats offhim.[00:23:09] Zack Greenburg: yeah, I think it takes a special kind of guts to be able to, you know, I mean, he was a well paid executive with a cushy music job, you know, to leave that world, start your own thing. I mean, I know they had, you know, big backers and everything, but like to take a risk once you've already experienced that level of success and to go out and start something, you know, as opposed to starting something from scratch when you have nothing anyway.I mean, it, takes a lot of gumption to do that. So, you know, again, yes, a pretty cool second act for Kevin miles.[00:23:38] Dan Runcie: Indeed, the next group here, our impact runs deep. It is Nicki Will Smith at 28, Swiss beats 27, LL Cool J, 26, Coach K and P, 25, Julie Greenwald, 24. The E40 23, Pharrell 22, and Rick Ross, 21.[00:24:01] Zack Greenburg: Yeah. I think, that's a pretty strong, deck there. And I think also, you know, here, you find some people who, you could argue should be higher or lower based on, you know, how much of their career was done in the hip hop music world, right? Like Queen Latifah, LL Cool J, Will Smith.Obviously those are huge crossover acts. but I think they all got a lot of points from some of the voters because, you know, that is in one way, the measure of a mogul, like you're diversifying your portfolio and whether that's by owning different things or, you know, by getting into, different types of performance, you know, on the silver screen, I think that's a viable path too.but just from like a purely musical entrepreneurial perspective, I would highlight, Swiss Beats and Pharrell, who I think, you know, the two of them are more influential than anybody in terms of like, I'd say Swizz in terms of art and Pharrell in terms of fashion. and you know, some of the things they've done around those two areas and, you know, Pharrell certainly, now with LVMH, but also before with Ice Cream, Billionaire Boys Club, you know, he was very active in starting his own things on the fashion side.And, you know, kind of inspiring artists to do that. you know, would we have had a Yeezy if we hadn't had Pharrell, you know, doing what he was doing and, you know, and even doing what he did with Adidas? you know, I don't know about that. And, Swiss beads certainly, you know, not only from the art side of things, but you know, it's a really impressive art collection.I did a story on him a few years ago and, you know, he's got like, Jeff Kuhn sculptures and Basquiat's and Warhol's and his, you know, like in his foyer. I mean, it's, pretty impressive stuff. but the way that he moves behind the scenes, as sort of like a corporate brand whisperer, at places, you know, like Bacardi, Lotus, you know, this goes on, you know, I think he, he's sort of like more quietlyinfluential than, some folks realize. And, you know, certainly has been earning, on par with, you know, with all the, you know, most of the names, if not higher than most of the names we've mentioned so far. and you know, what he's done on the, both of them, what they've done on the production side, also hard to top.So that must count for something as well. I kind of went more than one shout out there, didn't I? So[00:26:06] Dan Runcie: Yeah. No, that was good. That was good.I'm glad you mentioned the two of them though, because if you didn't, I probably would've called the other one out. The thing about Swiss as well, everything that he's done with versus specifically also embodies this idea and definition of a mogul because he was able to be.A kingmaker in the sense of creating opportunities for others. He did that through the equity that he was able to give all of those early participants in versus in trailer itself. And then additionally, with the careers that we're able to have a boost because of. everything that happened, with the matchups from versus specifically, you look at someone like Ashanti, who is now doing tours and pop it up every now and then she wasn't doing that before her versus and her battle versus Keisha Cole was one of the not, if not the most watched one that we've had.You look at Jadakiss and everything that he's been able to do since his epic showdown against, with Lox versus Dipset with that versus you look at Jeezy versus Gucci Mane. I know that versus definitely had its peak popularity during the pandemic, but that kind of stuff that he was able to do with Timbaland, I think also speaks so much to everything that he's been able to do there.And another person I want to mention to that was in this group as well that I think is similar is LL Cool J because I think similar to the way that. Swiss beets is Ella is also with someone that's been involved with multimedia with everything from the jump. He was the 1st artist to truly breakthrough from Def Jam and did it as a teenager.So, of course, he gets plenty of shout out for that, but he's also always been trying to find ways to look out for that next generation of artists. And he's been doing some of that more recently with rock the bells, and that's its own. Company and entity now where they have a festival coming up as well to celebrate things that are happening with hip hops anniversary.So it's been cool to see him do things as well. And I'll give a very brief shout out here to, coach K and P because they, similar to how I mentioned, Kevin Liles were able to build and grow a company and then sell it for, I believe, forget the exact sale price for, quality control. But they were able to do that thanks in part to a lot of the work that Ethiopia had done, helping to give quality control, the platform that it did, and especially in an era where I think it's harder for a record label to have a true brand, they were able to help give it a boost.[00:28:36] Zack Greenburg: That's true. And on that note of labels, I think Julie Greenwald, there's a mention, you know, she and Craig Kalman, who's mentioned, in an earlier grouping, you know, run Atlantic together. And there's a lot of, of music that we wouldn't have seen if it had been for the two of them, you know, running the show over there.So, shout out to Julie. I mean, the only one actually we haven't discussed here with E40 and Rick Ross. And I don't know, you know, probably get moving, but, do you think Rick Ross deserves to be number 21 on this entire list? Like ahead of Pharrell, ahead of, you know, some of the other names on here. I was surprised that he was ranked this high.[00:29:09] Dan Runcie: I love the spicy questions. Cause this is what people wanted to hear the podcast about, right? They wanted to hear one of us, you know, poke the bear a little bit.If Rick Ross was able to nail that dive in the pool, do you think you would have ranked him higher?[00:29:21] Zack Greenburg: Ha ha ha ha ha ha. No, no, I wouldn't. I mean, I still know. I mean, you know, like I get it, you know, he's called the boss that he must be a mogul, You know, and, some of the things he's done in terms of, you know, Bel Air and Maybach music and all that. Sure. But like, you know, when you put them up against like some of the other ones, did he really do something new or was he more just like following a, blueprint that had worked for others before and, you know, executing it to a degree success, but like, again, not, you know, not to the level of, let's say Pharrell.I think maybe I just, I'm salty that he ended up ahead of Pharrell. I think Pharrell is just way more influential and Mowgli, but, I don't know. What do you think?[00:29:59] Dan Runcie: So, I've read 2 of Ross's books and I interviewed him once on Trapital. I think that, to your point, he did follow the blueprint that we saw from others. I think he is smart about the types of partnerships he does, but it does feel like a ditty light. Type of playbook that he's been able to do and build.And I do think a lot of it makes sense. He may not necessarily have the large media entities the way that he does. Although I do think he's overdue for some type of comedy show or some type of reality show just following him around because I think he's hilarious. And anytime that he gets that, it could just generate something unique.And I'm sure he's been hit up about it. I do think that he's done well for himself. Just thinking about. Now, how his career is growing, I think it's been what, 16, 17 years since hustling 1st came out. I think in this range, there is some flexibility there in terms of like, where people are in certain ways.I get why he may not necessarily be as high. I'm sure if you looked at the net worth or the earnings, that some of the people that are lower than him may actually be higher. I think 1 of the knocks potentially is although Maybach music was cool. I wrote about this in Trapit as well. I think there was a missed opportunity.And part of that comes from, huh, did Ross do all the things that he probably could have done from a leadership perspective to especially like, when Meek Mill and Wally were beefing and stuff. And I think Ross had a bit more of a laissez faire approach to things, which in some ways is kind of the opposite of King making as we're talking about this, right?Can we really bring folks together and make something larger than it is. I think it was a bit tough in general for people to try to do everything themselves, try to be the boss of this label, which is signed to a different label because Rick Ross was signed to a different label than MNG was himself. And I think anytime you have that type of dynamic, it's just splitting the leadership interests. So I hear you.[00:32:00] Zack Greenburg: Yeah. So then how much of a mogul are you, if your label is really, you know, so I guess everybody's labels on somebody else's label and have you distributed by something, but you know, it's like when they're like multiple labels kind of, you know, intertwined with your label, it kind of causes the question.are you really the boss? If you have several bosses that you're answering to, but you know, I think actually though. in Rick Ross's defense, what he's done with Wingstop, I mean, that is pretty unique and, I don't know that anybody else on this list has something comparable in that space.So, you know, maybe that's why, I think, you know, by virtue of that, you could put them pretty high up. And maybe that's what some of the judges were thinking, you know, but he also ended up on a lot of lists, you know, so some of the judges just kind of like, maybe we're getting to some of the judges sent rank lists, and they're like, you know, this person is the top and they should get the most points and other people were like, here are my people.And you can just rank them evenly. and I think Rick Ross ended up on a lot of those lists. So, you know. I think again, maybe like I was alluding to earlier, he's a bit of a compiler, nothing wrong with that, you know, you can get into the hall of fame by compiling 3000 hits, but, it's interesting to see how, how the opinions differ. That's the whole fun of it.[00:33:06] Dan Runcie: He runs his business is almost like how a small business owner would in a number of ways where he has a bunch of car washes and, you know, his is 1 of the family members does that he has his wing stops, right? He has that. And it is a bit of this, like, mogul dumbness from that perspective in terms of like, okay, I have my hands in these things and I've hired people to have, you know, different roles within that that doesn't necessarily have things in aggregate. It's a bit more of the strip mall mentality as opposed to the, you know, building a skyscraper that could then build other skyscrapers, but it's something worth mentioning, but I hope we keep that up with a few of the other rankings we have coming up as we dig into the top 20, here.So, yeah, let's start with 20. So, 20, Queen Latifah, I think that she and, Ice Cube, who we'll get into in a minute, were one of the first that noticed, hey, I may not be able to do this rap thing forever, what are areas that I can expand this multimedia empire and everything I'm building.She was able to do this with Living Single, the show that was Friends before Friends was, and even the way that she was able to show young black people that were having, you know, highly sought after roles, but they still had their interpersonal dynamics. It was cool. It was refreshing. It was aspirational, which I do think that a lot of the black sitcoms were in the 90s.And she was able to do that, continue finding ways to put other people on as well through the work that she did. She was also willing to take risks. Like I remember when she was in set it off, people had a bunch of questions about, Oh, you're going to play a lesbian in this heist movie. What is this going to do for your career?And she was willing to do that. And I think she is always, you know, be willing to take risks. So, you know, shout out to her and I'm glad that several people have mentioned her[00:34:56] Zack Greenburg: Yeah. And I think she gets credit for, like you say, diversifying her portfolio. you know, into the acting world. it's worth noting, you know, she was barely ahead of Rick Ross. but you know, there is a big difference between 21 and 20. It's the top 20. So, again, I think, you know, she was a bit of a compiler, but there were a couple of people who ranked her in the top 10.and, you know, I think just like in terms of the breadth of her career, you know, the longevity, the diversity of the things that she's gotten into. you know, even if it's not as much ownership as somebody, even like a Rick Ross, it's just like, having your hands in a lot of pies and like that really counts for something as a mogul.So, I think it makes sense to see you there.[00:35:36] Dan Runcie: Agreed 19 is Eminem. So let's talk about it. How do we feel about Eminem in 19?[00:35:43] Zack Greenburg: You know, I think it's a weird one, honestly. you know, there's no doubting, his lyrical prowess and where, you know, where he kind of stacks up as part of like the pantheon of lyricists, like fine. But is he really a mogul? I mean, he's somebody who has been, you know, very reclusive at times. Who has, you know, kind of gotten in his own way at other times. I mean, I could see ranking him up here though, just by virtue of ownership of the music and sort of like the quality and quantity of his catalog. you know, what he did with D12, you know, he did have shady records and, you know, and all that.So again, you know, there, there is kind of a layer cake of a label situation, like some of the folks who mentioned earlier across, but, you know, that was at least important to him to set up, you know, as his continued ownership of, You know, his work and, you know, certainly when it comes to like raw commercial prowess, you know, Eminem, is one of the best selling hip hop artists of all time.If not the best, depending on how you look at it. And just, you know, simply by virtue of the amount of revenue he generated, you know, throughout the late 90s and early aughts at the peak of the sort of CD age there. you know, that deserves, some kind of something, even if he wasn't running around starting his own, you know, side businesses as much as some of these other folks[00:37:02] Dan Runcie: Best selling artist of the 2000s by a pretty strong amount, I believe, and has the most of any genre, right? And the most streamed song of the 2000s as well, at least on Spotify with Lose Yourself, and I'm pretty sure Till I Collapse and maybe a couple of others aren't too far. Behind as Will Page as Spotify's former chief economist said, anytime Eminem farts or burps or releases anything on a streaming service, it provides a huge bump to everything in this back catalog.So, I still laugh about that, but I do think that speaks to it there and. If, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he was one of the first hip hop artists to have a Sirius XM channel himself.So that's something that's unique and obviously Sirius is still doing its thing. So, shout out to him there. A bit higher than I probably would have ranked him, but that's why it's interesting to get the group results here. Ah, this one's gonna be spicy. Number 18. Your boy, Suge Knight.[00:38:02] Zack Greenburg: Yeah, you know, I mean, I think this is one of the tougher ones on the entire list. You know, this is not like a list of, Ms. Congeniality or Mr. Congeniality, as you'll see, you know, some of the other names on here. Obviously, you know, Suge is in jail. he's been involved in the death of, you know, human beings that like that is, you know, not sort of like what you're after in a mogul here, but, enough people, you know, I guess felt that the business, if you just, you know, looking at it from a pure business perspective, was enough to put them up here. And, you know, there is no arguing that death row at its peak was one of the most influential record labels, you know, not just in hip hop, but of anything. I mean, any genre, when death row was at its hottest, I don't know any, kind of moment where any other, you know, you'd have to stack that up against peak Motown or, you know, Atlantic or something like that, but, you know, that was really like a, peak moment. So, you know, I think this is one of the things we run into on this list like if somebody exhibits, a level of, you know, sort of business ingenuity, you know, that counts for something and, you know, the other things that you do in your life and your career, you know, we'll detract from that, but, you know, what you did at your peak, I think will get you pretty far in a list like this when people kind of count, you know, we kind of count sort of like the ceiling as opposed to the average, in some cases. So, I don't know. What do you think?[00:39:27] Dan Runcie: These are the two most impressive business moves that Suge Knight has done. Number two is shaking down Vanilla Ice to get his points for everything that he did on the album that had Ice Ice Baby there. Because he was able to use that money to then start and co found Death Row with Dr. Dre. That's number two.Number one is at the 1995 Source Awards where he publicly makes his Call to attract Tupac to say, Hey, I know you're in jail, but we're riding with you. Tupac wasn't signed there at the time, but he knew that this was an opportunity. Tupac likely needed somewhere to call a home and he called his shot. He was able to make it happen.I know everyone talks about the diddy shot about, you know, being all in the video death row. And that, of course, is infamous in its own right. But I think the number one thing that should night did is that that said. those 2 things speak to what should night is, 1, it is that muscle and the prowess of being able to overpower a situation and then take advantage.And I think those were things that he was good at. That said, I don't think he was necessarily strong as a. Business leader, the company imploded in large part. And I don't think it imploded because of Dr. Dre, it imploded because of all of the things, all the shenanigans. And I think for what he was building, some of that just got a little too close to the sun, unfortunately. And, that's Chuck Knight[00:40:49] Zack Greenburg: And, I think that, you know, in some of the reporting I've done over the years, One of the things people say is that Shug and a lot of the guys around him, you know, it wasn't that they were necessarily like that. It's just they kind of had been watching too many bad gangster movies and the music business, didn't know what to do with somebody like Suge Knight.And so the more he kind of like played this role, the more he grew into it to where, to the point where he was actually living sort of a bad gangster movie. and sort of like created, turned himself into a monster. Yeah, so I think like the evolution. or the evolution, of somebody like Suge Knight is sort of fascinating in terms of like what you can, what sort of playing a role can do to you, over the course of time.[00:41:32] Dan Runcie: Agreed. And well said number 17 here is America's most wanted ice cube. I'll start here to kick things off. I think that Ice Cube, like Queen Latifah mentioned earlier, was one of the early ones who had said that he knew that living and doing everything off a raft wasn't gonna last forever. And I think a lot of it was because he experienced some of the brunt and ugliness of it.I mean, we've all seen the Straight Outta Compton movie. He goes into Jerry Heller's office. He starts smashing shit. He releases no Vaseline. There was definitely a no fucks given that carried through even after he was done with NWA, but he saw what this industry is like as well and then that's when he starts writing screenplays.And then that's how Friday because the thing becomes a thing. And then. His career just continues to take off after that he still dabbled in rap and did his thing, but he definitely became known early on for one of the people that took a risk with cube entertainment and everything that he was able to do there.And with any of the movies that he had, whether it was the movies with Mike Epps and plenty others, I do believe that most of these movies were pretty profitable. And he was able to. Do it work within the confines that he had and just continue to build everything he did from a career. We've seen him expand as well into everything that he's done with the big 3 specifically giving a home for basketball players that can still play, but maybe they can't make, you know, a 13 person NBA roster anymore.I do think that some of his more recent news highlights that are a bit more politically driven or him walking around with Tucker Carlson and probably take it away from some of the more prominent memories of Hugh Ice Cube is, but yeah, that's why I had had him or that's why he, I think deserves to be, you know, where he is, on the list.[00:43:27] Zack Greenburg: Yeah. And I think it's interesting, you know, you see, Eminem, Suge Knight, Ice Cube, all together, you know, they're all, inextricably connected to Dr. Dre. one way or the other. Right. and you know, would there, would Dre have been Dre without the three of them? you know, at different phases of his career, you know, I don't know, I mean, I think certainly what, Ice Cube did as part of NWA, you know, I wouldn't say that, that NWA was like.like a business first organization. But like that wasn't the point of NWA and if it hadn't been for NWA, I don't think you would have been able to have business first organizations come out of hip hop in the way that you did. and certainly, you know, somebody like Dr. Dre, so. I think he gets extra points for that.and, you know, this is probably why, you know, he was again, I don't know, was he compiler? He was, you know, he had like a lot of kind of middling, a lot of lists, a couple of top 10 votes, you know? So, you know, I think again, everybody has their favorite and he's up there for a lot of folks.[00:44:27] Dan Runcie: Agreed. Number 16 is Drake. Should we poke the bear again?[00:44:33] Zack Greenburg: Yeah. Does Drake deserve to be at number 16 on this list?[00:44:37] Dan Runcie: This one surprised me, I was very surprised at the number of people that had him on the list, because you can make a case for the opposite, right? It's similar to the M and M thing, but almost to the extreme because M and M, yes, most commercially successful artists, XYZ. There's other artists that are less commercially successful at M and M that did more in that mogul definition but for Drake, it's even bigger of a Delta between these two, because here you have the most streamed artists of all time. So clearly commercially successful on its own, but people believe that OVO. Records or OVO sound itself actually could hurt an artist's career. And when you think about that, you think about some of the other multimedia things that he's done.I know he's been active as an investor and I know that people like Nicki Minaj and others have said, Oh, you know, Drake's a low key billionaire. He just doesn't want you to know it personally. Again, he may be, I mean, I'm not sure what he may not disclose, but it isn't always just about wealth. It's like, what opportunities were you able to create for each other?I do think it's good. That drink has been able to have different people that have been working alongside that. I think did get a bit of that drink stimulus package. And I think that's something that is quite debated, but I do think that. I feel like 21 Savage has definitely benefited from it. I mean, he was already commercially successful, but for him and Drake to do a joint album together was huge.I think it was the same way that it was huge for Future and the same way that the Migos going on tour with Drake in 2018 was huge for them and anything else that Drake continues to do from that perspective. So I think it is, you know, debatable, but I mean, people do definitely add some weight to the artists themselves.[00:46:18] Zack Greenburg: Yeah. And, you know, I think he should be around Eminem and whether they're both too high is an open question, but, you know, there's no doubting the commercial viability of what he's done. He did start more side businesses in Eminem, right? With OVO, whether it's the label, the festival, the clothing line, you know, he started a whiskey brand called Virginia black, which I tried once.It tasted okay. but I don't think it's selling, you know, I don't know if he's even still doing it. yeah, he is definitely involved as a startup investor, so maybe, you know, we'll see some exits and we start to think of him differently at that point. But, yeah, you know, again, I think it's, some voters just kind of overweighted, you know, musical prowess and pop culture influence.And if you're talking about that, I, I don't know anybody who's been as influential in the past 15 years. I mean, he's, you know, he's the most streamed artist of all time and that's got to count for something.[00:47:08] Dan Runcie: Right. I know his cannabis line failed, but there's a lot of people, even people that we'll get to in this list that have also had failed or struggling cannabisbusinesses. And, there's a lot that we could discuss there, but moving on number 15 is Sylvia Robinson, the originator.[00:47:26] Zack Greenburg: I think she deserves to be in the top five, personally. because if there were no Sylvia Robinson, yeah, I mean, I don't know that we have hip hop and, you know, it's, you know, for those who don't know the story, she was running sugar hill records with her husband, Joe sylvia was actually a child star singer herself.And, you know, they kind of had this like middling existence with their label. And then all of a sudden she's at this birthday party that she didn't even want to go to in Harlem and she sees Lovebug Starsky up on the microphone. A hip hop hippie to the hippie to the hip hip hop. You know, this is early, early seventies.She's never heard anything like it. All the kids, you know, hands in the air, like you just don't care. And the whole thing. she tries to get Lovebug to sign. There's some kind of dispute, like with his management, never happens. And so she just goes to the pizzeria in New Jersey, finds three kids, get him, gets them to talk real fast over this record is how she described it.and that's, you know, that's Rapper's Delight. That's the first hip hop song on Wax. That's the first hit. you know, that sort of spawns the whole genre. So, you could certainly argue, that, you know, she, borrowed or she hired, hired people who borrowed or whatever to do this, you know, like the idea that, that the first hip hop, track on wax was like, you know, originated in a pizza shop in New Jersey is really unfortunate cause it started at the Bronx, but like, you know, Sylvia came from Harlem.She, you know, she, she knew that world. Like, you know, she was part of the music business and, for better or worse, she took hip hop from being, you know, just basically like spoken word in person kind of thing to being, you know, national events. Would it have happened eventually?Yeah, I think so. But you know, who knows? I mean, it could have taken years longer and if it took years longer, you know, are we going to have the eighties with like run DMC and Def Jam and all that? Like, you know, I don't know. I mean, it, could have taken a lot longer to get off the ground if she hadn't done what she'd done.And, you know, I don't think we, I don't think we should really be dinging Sylvia Robinson for her Machiavellian tactics, given some of the other people on this list, you know, we're talking like Suge Knight and whoever else, you know, there's quite nefarious characters, you know, as we get higher up too in this list.So, you know, I don't think anything she did was. remotely as bad as, as like a lot of the dudes on this list. and, you know, so, you know, let's, I think we give her her due and yeah, I would definitely put her higher, but, you know, I think that's part of the deal when, when you have somebody who's that early on.You know, people are going to say, Oh, well, you know, the total gross is not quite as much as so and so or whatever the case may be. And she wasn't as famous as some of the artists. So, but you know, she's up there, I mean, ahead of some pretty big names, Drake, Eminem, what have you. So, I think she's getting some flowers here[00:50:00] Dan Runcie: The total gross knock is always one that makes me roll my eyes a bit because even if you take out the inflation aspect and the amount of money that's now in the industry, this is something that happens with pioneers in any type of industry. They are the ones that take the early hits to make it possible.She and her work is what made it possible for rappers to like, she and her workers have made it possible for the message and anything else that we then see after that. Yes. Sugar Hill. records did have its struggles, afterward, like many other labels. But what do you think about broader context of the eighties being a very tough time in general for black music?And there were only a certain number of decision makers in power that could make that happen. Yeah. You have to take that into account. And then additionally, she did stuff outside of even just this record label itself. As you mentioned, she was a recording artist herself. She also owned a nightclub. So there were other mogul type things that she had her hands.And so shout out to Sylvia, who knows where this would be without her.[00:51:00] Zack Greenburg: And probably worth caveating also that, you know, she did have some, Disputes over paying artists, as the years went on. So did like really a lot of people on this list is we could do like a whole separate, you know, like has some kind of dispute on how they pay artists. So, you know, that, that's probably worth noting too, but yeah, I mean, so does everybody else.And, you know, I think she deserves her flowers.[00:51:22] Dan Runcie: Number 14, Dame Dash,[00:51:25] Zack Greenburg: Another, another hot one coming in. I mean, I think a lot of people would disagree with this, but you know, some people would put them even higher. I mean, I think he might be the most polarizing name on this entire list. Like some people had on top five, you know, some people didn't list them at all.you know, I think it kind of comes in. We've had this conversation before. Would there be a Jay Z without a Damon Dash? you know, I mean, I think so, but it's that part of the, you know, we've talked about him in the context of startups and do you, you know, you need a different kind of founder for your like pre seed days than you do for your series B.you know, if you're like a mafia, family, you need like a wartime Don, you know, versus like a peacetime Don or whatever it's called. But like, you know, I think, Dame Dash is a wartime Don. He's a seed stage startup founder. and he does it fair as well. You know, when it comes to like the growth stage and the corporate boardrooms and stuff, but, you know, there's no denying his brilliance.you know, I think what he did, you know, certainly with rock aware, you know, expanding, the Roc-A-Fella empire beyond music. you know, maybe he realized that Jay was eventually going to leave and that they just, it wasn't going to be forever. And so he wanted to get his hands into, you know, as many different areas as he could, but, you know, there's like a lot of pro and a fair bit of con, but, you know, I think again, he's one who, you know, the pro outweighed the con, he didn't kill anybody, you know, so there's some people on here who did.yeah, the con is only like so much con in my opinion.[00:52:56] Dan Runcie: This conversation makes me think about, that backstage documentary that. Roc-A-Fella had put out after the hard knock life tour. And there's that infamous scene of Dave dash yelling and swearing at Kevin Lyles, who was at Def Jam at the time about the jackets and where what logo was supposed to be, or something other than that.And thinking about that in context now of like, you know, how we talked about Kevin Lyles and everything he was able to do from that run and still can continue to do. And with where Dame Dash is, is in his career, Dame Dash doing his thing. I think he very much lived through and practice and preach the ownership standards that worked for him, where he has Dame Dash Studios, Dame Dash this, and he's been able to.Create exactly what he wanted to. We heard him on that infamous 2015 breakfast club interview where he's yelling at DJ Envy and Charlemagne about, Oh, well, if your son wants a job, can you get him a job here at power 105 or whatever? No. Well, I can do him at where I'm at. And as comic as the delivery was, there is some aspect of mogul dumb.That is a bit of that King making aspect of, okay, can you create opportunities for others around you? What those opportunities look like definitely vary. And I think that is a factor. So I do highlight that is something that Dame is able to do. And Dave is also similar to he's similar to a polarizing basketball player in the sense that the media may look and be like, why do you all fuck with this guy?Like, what's going on? But if you ask the people that are actually in it, a lot of that would be like, oh, well, you got to look at Dame dash, Dame dash is the guy. And when I have. Interviewed. I'm sure you've interviewed and talked to many of young artists, too, or young label executives, too. A lot of them will reference Dave Dash.A lot of them will look at what he was able to do alongside Roc-A-Fella, almost in the same way that, you know, players will swear by Kyrie or swear by James Harden or some other type of athlete that may be polarizing in their own right. And the media is like, Oh, why do you all like this guy? And it's like, Oh, well, no, you don't understand.So there's something about. The people, and obviously I say that being self aware is us as people more so on the media side, as opposed to being in it themselves. But there's something about these young artists and moguls as well that have always looked up and respected what Dame has built. And even though it may not resonate, like, personally, I acknowledge that.[00:55:23] Zack Greenburg: I would say, if you're going to make a basketball reference, Maybe not personality, but like basketball style, I'd almost liken him to Carmelo Anthony, you know, like he's an isolationist. He's a scorer, like, you know, he may not be very good at distributing the basketball, but like, you know, you throw him the ball in the corner and he's going to find a way to get it in.And, You know, like a lot of people wouldn't think that he belongs in the Hall of Fame at all, you know, but some people would, be insistent on it. So, you know, yeah, I think that sort of like singular focus, you know, you could definitely give him credit for that,[00:55:55] Dan Runcie: Agreed. Number 13, we are Cohen.[00:55:58] Zack Greenburg: man, another like bulldozer of a human being, but, you know, certainly somebody who, you know, maybe he has also got the finger roll, you know, like he, he can have a light touch when needed. you know, I think just like in terms of longevity, we talk about longevity with some of the names on this list, you know, Leroy was there in the very beginning of hip hop, you know, managing rappers, and it gives the road manager run DMC, taking the leader

After weeks of jab's from our own MC EIht, World Class Wrecking Crew's Alonzo Williams pulls up to set the record straight. We talk about him, Dr Dre and DJ Yella's early days, how he plugged Eazy E up with the infamous Jerry Heller. He then talk's about how inaccurate his character portrayal's in the NWA movie and R&B sensation Michel'le's biopic were. We then talk about DJ UnKnown stealing MC Eiht's publishing and much more... Tap N  Purchase our official merch with free shipping https://digital-soapbox-network.creator-spring.com/apparel Follow us on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/thegangsterchroniclespodcast/?hl=enSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

David Weldon grew up in South Central Los Angeles. As he was coming of age as a hip-hop producer in the early '90s, he got caught up in a feud between the two biggest West Coast rap names of the time: Eazy-E and Dr. Dre. The pair had great success together with N.W.A, bringing gangsta rap to the masses, but Dre left the group over a financial dispute and allied with former bodyguard Suge Knight, as part of the upstart label Death Row Records. Weldon, who goes by Rhythm D, was initially aligned with Death Row, and left not long before the release of Dre's legendary 1992 album The Chronic, complete with its eviscerating Eazy-E disses on "Fuck Wit Dre Day." "You fucked with me, now it's a must that I fuck with you." Weldon instead joined the camp of Eazy's Ruthless Records, stepping into Dre's role as the label's in-house producer. Weldon's most memorable production to come out of this era, Eazy's "Real Compton City G's," was a response to "Fuck Wit Dre Day," and was equally raw: "Watch the sniper, time to pay the piper," Eazy rapped, as well as mocking Dre for the feminine outfits he'd worn in his previous group, World Class Wreckin' Cru. Weldon went to great lengths to convince Eazy that the G-funk sound on "Real Compton City G's" set the appropriate tone. That the song was a hit — and helped Eazy get the last word in the famous battle — owed much to its sinister beat. Rhythm D's star was in orbit. But his newfound notoriety came at a cost: Those involved with the Ruthless/Death Row dispute had reason to be scared for their lives, and Weldon was watched over by a bodyguard named Big Animal. "I couldn't go nowhere," Weldon says. "It was a real beef." Indeed, such beef would take the lives of Tupac Shakur and Biggie Smalls, and by the early 2000s Weldon had had enough. The Southern rap sound was ascendant, and he began making frequent trips to Atlanta. "Our music was caught up in gangsta rap instead of making people dance and have a good time," Weldon says. "The business was flourishing out here more than anywhere else. Instead of being mad at the South I came down here." Working with rapper Bonecrusher and shown the city's ropes by V103's DJ Nabs, he became increasingly enchanted with Atlanta. "People here are a little more warm, with the Southern hospitality," he says. Following the death of his sister from cancer, he quietly moved down here permanently in 2010, and now resides near where Atlanta meets Cobb County, off of Marietta Street. Not a lot of Atlantans realize they have a '90s production legend in their midst; Weldon also crafted the classic Paperboy track "Ditty," and helped Bone Thugs-n-Harmony define their sound on their first album. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

s4e43 {193} Jerry Heller (2011) interview on Nexxlegacy Hosted by Charles iambranded Madison GooglePlay - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Android Devices⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (Free App) #iOS - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://apple.co/3WH6mop⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (Free App) Download the app for free #Nexxlegacy #Music #HipHop #Culture #Music #GooglRnB #RythmnBlues #MotivationalSpeaker #Radio #Nexxlegacy #Rap or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.nexxlegacy.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/nexxlegacy/message

(Airdate 2/8/23) Juana Sperling nee Burns (MC JB), Juanita Lee (Crazy J), Fatima Shaheed (OG Rocker), Anna Cash (Lady Anna), and Dania Birks (Baby-D) formed J.J. Fad -in Rialto, California. In 1987 they debuted with an Arabian Prince-produced 12" single, "Anotha Ho"/"Supersonic," on the Dream Team label. A new iteration of the group later signed to Eazy-E and Jerry Heller's Ruthless label. A re-recorded "Supersonic," with production credited to Arabian Prince, Dr. Dre, and Yella, was released in 1998 and became a giant hit. After calling out the Grammy Awards for not acknowledging their place as the first rap act ever nominated, MC JB sets the record straight on this podcast. IG/Twitter/FB: @JJfad

Your HHMCs review the 2015 film Straight Outta Compton, starring O'Shea Jackson, Jr., Corey Hawkins, Jason Mitchell, and Paul Giamatti. This episode of Hip Hop Movie Club answers the question: What happens when these Boyz from the Hood skyrocket outta Compton? Straight Outta Compton on IMDbWhere to Watch: Amazon PrimeThe California Raisins (Wikipedia)Mr. Furley and Mr. DrummondThe "Streisand Effect" (TVTropes.org)"No Vaseline" by Ice CubeSuge Knight, Tupac, and BiggieJerry Heller: I Should've Let Eazy-E Kill Suge Knight (VladTV/YouTube)Vanilla Ice debunks Suge Knight balcony story (XXL Mag)Marion H. "Suge" Knight (Pro Football Reference)Snoop Dogg freestyle (Eazy-E diss) on The Arsenio Hall Show (YouTube) "Dre Day" by Dr. Dre & Snoop Dogg "It's Funky Enough" and "The Formula" by The D.O.C.Late N.W.A manager Jerry Heller's ‘Straight Outta Compton' lawsuit dismissed (Rolling Stone)Paul Giamatti (IMDB) and "The Green Fields of the Mind" by A. Bartlett Giamatti"We Want Eazy" by Eazy-E"Give Up the Funk" (Live, Houston 1976) by Parliament FunkadelicCreditsHip Hop Movie Club is produced by your HHMC's: Boogie, JB and DynoWright! Theme music by Boogie. Hit us up at hiphopmovieclub@gmail.com or on TikTok,

Mike Klien the head of security and JDL member that protected Easy E and put an end to Suge's threats and kept Easy and Jerry Heller safe.

#Ye #Jewish #AntiSemitism #HipHopWe all know what it is: A retrospective of other musicians who asked the same question as Ye.I have a substack!: https://americaunhinged.substack.com/Support the showIf you are not subscribed to the YouTube, you are missing more than HALF the show!https://youtube.com/c/AmericaUnhingedRadioTwitter: CoyoteRedPill @freejerry88All donations are greatly appreciated, and will go to buying a mic and improving the show!https://www.buymeacoffee.com/CosmicRadio

Most artists want career growth and they want it fast — sometimes to a fault. This is where Curren$y is an outlier. From the jump, Curren$y set out to grow both his career and fanbase slowly but steadily. He successfully did that and it's a reason why he's not only stayed in the rap game for almost twenty years, but is now still earning more money, and at a career point where most of his peers coming up have already fizzled out.Curren$y and his longtime manager, Mousa, joined me on this week's episode to explain how zigging when others zagged contributed to their career longevity. One instance is leaving his hometown Cash Money Records label to create their own, Jet Life. The two have been able to morph the brand into a full-on business empire that now includes apparel, athlete management, products, and more verticals on top of the music label. The duo built Jet Life on the back of touring and being true to their audience. To do so, they turned down more brand partnerships they can remember and even music festival appearances at times — no matter how good the bag was for each. These trend-bucking moves were covered at length in our interview. Here's what we covered:[3:15] New Orleans folks are immune to heat[4:44] Mousa and Curren$y relationship began in 2005[8:49] Growing Jet Life business beyond a record label[11:45] Turning down non-authentic business opportunities[15:59] Emphasizing touring early in Curren$y's career[19:21] Releasing an EP as an NFT[23:52] Curren$y's take on streaming farms[29:47] Macro-view of Jet Life revenue streams[34:47] Touring is cornerstone of Jet Life business[37:08] Performing on own shows vs. music festivals[43:48] Festival money goes to sports car dealership[45:16] Curren$y's partnership with NASCAR (and problems with Coca-Cola)[50:37] What's the secret to a great artist-manager relationship? Listen: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | SoundCloud | Stitcher | Overcast | Amazon | Google Podcasts | Pocket Casts | RSSHost: Dan Runcie, @RuncieDan, trapital.coGuests: Mousa Hamdan & Curren$y, @MOUSA504 & @spitta_andretti  Sponsors: MoonPay is the leader in web3 infrastructure. They have partnered with Timbaland, Snoop Dogg, and many more. To learn more, visit moonpay.com/trapital Enjoy this podcast? Rate and review the podcast here! ratethispodcast.com/trapital Trapital is home for the business of hip-hop. Gain the latest insights from hip-hop's biggest players by reading Trapital's free weekly memo.TRANSCRIPTION[00:00:00] Curren$y: You can always expand and try new things, but if it feels wrong on the core, then you're setting yourself up. We never made a move like that. No matter what deal comes across the table 'cause he's money first. But he'll tell the people, the check writer like, man, just let me talk to bro. Because at the end of the day, he's going to hear me say it's half a million dollars, but he might say it's a boring job and he might not want to do it. [00:00:32] Dan Runcie: Hey, welcome to The Trapital podcast. I'm your host and the founder of Trapital, Dan Runcie. This podcast is your place to gain insights from executives in music, media, entertainment, and more, who are taking hip-hop culture to the next level. [00:00:54] Dan Runcie: Listen, you're going to love today's episode. It is with one of the most successful independent artists in the game and his longtime manager. We got Curren$y and we got Mousa. If you've been following Curren$y's journey for a while, you know that he was originally on No Limit Records 20 years ago. He left the record label. He then went to join Young Money. He was a little early on the Young Money Train, but he ended up leaving the record label before Nicki and before Drake blew up and he started his own. He started Jet Life, and he's been building up his career as an independent artist, and it's been great to see how he has navigated both how he releases music and also how he approached his business overall. And that was a big focus of this episode. We talked about his strategy for releasing music, and Curren$y is someone that is very prolific in terms of the amount of music that he puts out, but it also gets him plenty of opportunities to be able to go on tour, to be able to have several other business ventures that they have through Jet Life and through other areas. We talked about what they're doing in cannabis as well. We talked about the nightclub that they have, the apparel business, and a whole lot more. We also talked about a few partnerships that you may be surprised by, but I still think that fit well within the ethos for what Jet Life is and what Curren$y is trying to build. We even talked about some of the movie deals and opportunities that Curren$y had turned down. I don't want to spoil it. It's a really good one, but this was a really fascinating conversation, is also been great to just see how long these two have stuck together. If you're a big fan of this podcast, these are the type of episodes that you come for. Hope you enjoy it as much as I did. Here's my chat with Curren$y and Mousa. [00:02:41] Dan Runcie: All right. Today we're joined by the duo themselves. We got Curren$y and we got Mousa here, the artist-manager combination. How are you guys doing? [00:02:49] Curren$y: Man, we can't complain. The weather is nice outside and it is been pretty bad out here in Orleans. It's been a hundred degrees and raining every day, but right now it's sunny, 86 degrees, you know what I'm saying? I got long sleeves on, top down, having a good day. I can't complain. [00:03:07] Dan Runcie: See, that's the one thing about folks I know from New Orleans, like it could be 86 degrees and y'all are still in long sleeves. Y'all are still in hoodies. [00:03:15] Curren$y: Well, it is, well, because it is the heat, we're already adjusting. It's just hot in here. So now we've gone more fashion-forward, bro. It's like, just fuck it, bro. Wear what you want to wear because it's still going to be 190 degrees no matter what. So just go for it. I don't really condone that lifestyle unless you have a car. A lot of my younger brothers I see walking up and down the street, and they definitely look like they're about to commit crimes because it's a hundred degrees and they got on the hoodie and I'm, like, weary of, I'm like, hold on, you know what I'm saying, because, fuck, that don't make no sense. You dressed for action. But if you are in the car, you are in the office, you are in the studio. That's where that look really originated. People always tell me, II'm dressed like that forever, but it's been because most of my life has been like tour bus, studio, even when it wasn't me, I was like a little guy on Masterpiece bus. It was 60 degrees, you know what I'm saying? And these big mansions, it's cold as shit. So I just grew acclimated to dressing like that. I think I might have spearheaded that. I honestly, I think that I may have spearheaded that, but what haven't we spearheaded over here, you know?[00:04:25] Dan Runcie: It's true, especially folks at New Orleans, folks like y'all are trendsetters. And one of the things that I feel like sets y'all apart is that you've been doing this for so long, and you've been doing this for so long together. I mean, Mousa, you've been managing Curren$y now for, since '05, right? I know you do 'em before, but you started managing, like, '05, right?[00:04:44] Mousa Hamdan: We're friends before, but definitely since '05, since he joined in with Lil Wayne, with Young Money, Cash Money. So I think that's when he brought me on and asked me to come on as his manager. [00:04:53] Curren$y: Yep. Yeah. [00:04:54] Mousa Hamdan: And you know...[00:04:55] Curren$y: As soon as there was business to manage. [00:04:58] Mousa Hamdan: Right. [00:04:58] Curren$y: You know, right? While I was just slinging t-shirts, like ordering 28 t-shirts on a month, pressing CDs upstairs at my apartment, that was easy to do. When it began to grow and I saw, like, my two homes wasn't going to be enough to handle it, you know, what could I do but reach out to the one homie who I knew forever who don't want to smoke no weed with me, who don't want to get drunk with me, you know what I'm saying? Like, who's just like totally, his high is the business, deals closed and stuff gone successfully is him having a drink, you know what I'm saying? So it worked. It works like that.[00:05:36] Mousa Hamdan: Definitely. I like achieving goals. You know, I'm a goal seeker. And once you achieve one goal, set another one, you know? And that's my inspiration is to see how big we could really take this Jet Life, how, you know, how big deal this will be, and how long we can make it last. I mean, I thought about this morning, I was talking to one of my other homies, I was like, we've been in this game a minute, bro. Like, and he was like, look, I've been home for a little while and y'all been doing this a long time. So I say, yeah, definitely, but we not done, you know. We're nowhere near done. We really just starting, we really starting to grow even more now. [00:06:12] Curren$y: That's crazy to say that, and that's really the truth, to be here in the game. Like, Jet Life, we're like over a decade, and each year it just gets bigger. That's really what you want. It's not a big, hasn't been just one big explosion. It's a slow burn. But it is guaranteed. And we've always grown. A lot of times you see people struggling, like, not to lose ground in the game, you know, and stay relevant. And that's never been a problem with us because we've been blessed to be able to, like, generate or, like, create our own world, you know what I'm saying? And the people who listen to our music or who dress, some people dress only in Jet Life apparel. And it is because they don't give a fuck about nothing else, you know what I'm saying? They've had their time to see what the world had to offer, and they saw that ours was just uncompromised. So they lend themselves to it a hundred percent. And that's been enough to sustain, like, the lifestyle that we have. And the people that support us, they like to pass by the Jet Life store just to see what cars we might have outside. So they continue to support us because now we're going to park more and more shit. Like, they the ones who help us do it, you know? So it's good. It's good. [00:07:27] Mousa Hamdan: It definitely is. It's really a lifestyle, you know? I think it's, you know, from the beginning I remember, Curren$y said in interviews as well as told me directly, like, you know, his vision of seeing how Jet Life and how he wanted to grow. He always said it was like a balloon. And I listened, I heard that, and I was like, he's right. He's like, you could either, you could blow air in it fast and it's going to blow big and then it's going to explode and it's over. Or you could blow in it slow and it's going to slowly blow. [00:07:57] Curren$y: Yeah. Fucking right. [00:07:58] Mousa Hamdan: Then you show the longevity. And that's what we did. We're blowing it slow. [00:08:02] Curren$y: Yep.[00:08:03] Mousa Hamdan: But look at us. We're still here. There's a lot of people that we saw that came before us and during us who we feel like, oh yeah, they got the light quick and they blew up fast. But then what happened? And you know, they're not around no more.[00:08:16] Curren$y: Something explodes, it ceases to exist.[00:08:19] Mousa Hamdan: It's done.[00:08:20] Curren$y: I've never seen anything, you know what I'm saying, explode that still had it ever, you know? [00:08:26] Dan Runcie: Right, oh yeah. You know, and I feel like with y'all, specifically, you're able to see the trajectory. You're able to see everything that you've accomplished, too, because I look at Jet Life, and it started as the imprint for your record label, but now you have your apparel, you also have the other businesses you have. How would you describe the current businesses? What are the current things under Jet Life right now? [00:08:49] Mousa Hamdan: Well, we got, of course, like you said, it started with records, Jet Life Records. And then it went to, we started doing tour merch, which grew into Jet Life Apparel. We were in now Jet Life Athletics. So we started to do deals with managing athletes and growing that brand. Then of course, we've other stuff that's not necessarily labeled Jet Life, but we've opened up a nightclub in New Orleans, so so that's something that's coming. [00:09:16] Curren$y: We got a big footprint in the cannabis community. We got a couple of other startups, like a coffee shop and a cereal bar we're going to launch. We already have two films out, so, I mean, if you want to say Jet Life Films is in existence, that is true. It's so much stuff that we do, but the circle is so tight, like, nobody's going to tell the other one. Like, bro, you realize what we doing because we are still in the midst of doing it. Like, an outside person would have to come in and really show us how many businesses and what's all under the umbrella 'cause we really just wake up and try to, like, just make sure we make something happen, you know, every day. If you want to label it and put a name on it, then, it was news to me, right now just listening to how much stuff we have going on. [00:10:04] Mousa Hamdan: We forgot Starting Line Hobbies.[00:10:06] Curren$y: Yeah, we got hobby shop bro, like that. See? So the more you sit down… [00:10:11] Mousa Hamdan: We forget some of the business. But they exist and they're profitable, right?[00:10:16] Curren$y: He's got an auto body shop, it's still in existence. That's really where a lot of it comes from, his whole foray into it all was being able to survive if one thing fell down. Even though the music was the one that paved the way and drew the attention, the industry is fickle. So you see people like, we see them rise and you think they going to build this whole empire, they end up with a warehouse full of shit. They can't move bobbleheads of themselves. Nobody wants t-shirts, nobody wants home furnishing. Nobody wants it, fucking goes that way, you know what I'm saying? And we've been blessed to like, now we got two or three warehouses, you know what I'm saying? But we're moving the shit, you know. So it's just about staying true and not, we never really tried to do too much, nothing outside of what felt right to us. You can always expand and try new things, but if it feels wrong on the core, then you're setting yourself up. We never made a move like that. No matter what deal comes across the table 'cause he's money first. But he'll tell the people, the check writer like, man, just let me talk to bro. Because at the end of the day, he's going to hear me say it's half a million dollars, but he might say it's a boring job and he might not want to do it even though it's half a million dollars. So he'll just check with me, you know what I'm saying? We probably go and do the 'shit anyway 'cause it's half a million dollars. But he checks with me because in my heart of hearts, I might want to say no, but I got a kid and shit. [00:11:45] Mousa Hamdan: I'll definitely ask him. Do you want to do this though? [00:11:49] Curren$y: Yeah. And I got respect for him for doing that. The fact that he compromised his money mentality that asks me that much, gives me the strength to be able to say, you know what, fuck it, bro, you gave, I'll give. I'm going to come and do this shit, you know what I'm saying? And then lo and behold everybody wins, you know? [00:12:07] Dan Runcie: Yeah. What's an example of something that you have turned down? Like, Mousa, 'cause it sounds like you're the one that's seeing the things and you're thinking about, oh, this is the bag, but is this something that fits with the Jet Life lifestyle?[00:12:18] Curren$y: There's a lot of those, like, TV shit that'll come across, you know what I'm saying? I hope that he knows, I don't care. So he would say, I'm going to jump out in front of you, like, you don't see because these people still come up with more and more ideas. And eventually, they might put, they might table something that we want to pick up. But we've slammed them because it's like, bro, you know, just looking at something where they say, well, he can say it in his own words, but the way they phrase it makes me like, I'll never put this in my own words, I don't want to fucking do it. You know, just fuck it, you know what I'm saying? Or like post, they'll try, you know, they'll pay you for social media stuff just to say you like something or you can't wait for something to fucking hit the theaters. And I'm like, you know what? Fuck no. I don't want to say that. Because as soon as I post this, my fucking true audience is going to say, you know, how much did you get, bro? They'll say shit like that. I don't want to play them like that. [00:13:15] Mousa Hamdan: Yeah. I think we've known each other long enough and I know his answers on some things. Some things I won't even bring to him.[00:13:22] Curren$y: For sure. [00:13:23] Mousa Hamdan: You know, we had some stuff like, you know, I'll be honest with you, like, you know, media companies that come and say, well, you know, let me post this on your page or do this, that, and the others, and it's clickbait. And he was like, nah, bro, I don't want my fans clicking on that. [00:13:37] Curren$y: Yeah, I don't want that. I'm the one who have to answer for this shit.[00:13:41] Mousa Hamdan: I don't care how much it is. And the fans aren't crazy. They'll be like, Curren$y, that shit was clickbait, bro. [00:13:46] Curren$y: They're like, what? Or you had to, bro? Like, I have all that kind of shit. So I'm just like, let's save the company who wants to pay us the embarrassment of when they realized this was not organic and it didn't cross over. Like, now they won't want to spend any money. They may not want to spend money with us later on, on something that might actually work, you know? So it's just better to just say, you know, it is better to protect yourself that way. You end up in the long run, you still make that money. A few times people have double-backed because they realize, you know what, that was kind of lame. I can't believe we asked them to do that shit. And then they come back with something way dope after they've researched me, you know? 'Cause immediately you do a Google search and you are like, all right, cool. We'll get him to do the new weed spray. Let's get him to endorse this new air freshener that kills the weeds, man. Like, bro, the fuck? Like, I'm not even living like that. I'm actually a boss and I don't have to conceal the weed smell in my fucking life, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not promoting shit. [00:14:46] Dan Runcie: I'm even come to you with a deal like that though, knowing you. [00:14:50] Mousa Hamdan: Yeah, yeah. They'll bring all type of deals, bro. They'll try and get you out of character if you let them. You know, they'll push the button. [00:14:57] Curren$y: But it feels like trolling a lot of the time. Like, are they trying to see if I would do this, you know what I'm saying?[00:15:03] Dan Runcie: Right. [00:15:03] Mousa Hamdan: I don't think they understand that he's not saying he's true to his lifestyle. He is actually true to it. He's not going to do anything that's going to bend. [00:15:11] Curren$y: It's not about money. We got enough pots on the stove. It's a six-burner stove. And we have pots with food and all of them are cooking, you know what I'm saying? So when somebody comes with the bullshit, it's like, all right, let's just go dip in this, right, quick. You know, like I I've done that with music, when I feel like, it is just sometimes I get a little down on myself just based on the climate of music, you know? And I'll fall back and maybe I'll just come up here and we'll just make a whole collection of clothes at that time, you know? And we were able to keep the lights on and shit through the apparel. If I said fuck it from here on end, you know what I'm saying? But it just so happens, like, I get my win and it is fun again, and I want to do it. You know, so we're lucky as shit.[00:15:59] Dan Runcie: That makes sense, yeah. It's a good position to be in, right? You understand your brand, you understand what makes sense. You're only going to do certain types of deals. And I feel like this goes back to the way that you just go about this industry overall, right? You were early in terms of, let me put out my music and if people get it for free, they may get it for free, but let me go make the money on tour. Let me go make the money with these other business interests. [00:16:24] Curren$y: Yeah, because I mean, it's, shrinkage. It didn't matter how much music, like, what you do, how much you put behind the budget and what the labels do and all this shit. These people were just, our music was being stolen. This was during the time of, like, manufacturing jewel cases and all this shit that the company had to do, so that affected how much money they could give you. And then at the end of the day, everybody had the album a week before any damn, you know? So you can't feed your family like that. But what you can do, and what I did do is, and also when I did that, it was out of necessity. I didn't have no money to pay everybody for beats. But I could download Dr. Dre's instrumental for free. And as long as I don't sell this bitch, he's not coming for me, you know? I'm going to put it out for free. People going to love it. They're going to want me to come and wrap the motherfucker and they're going to pay however much it costs, you know, so that's how we did it. You know, that's just, like utilizing your natural resources. Like, what's growing in the land? Like, what's there? Just looked around and worked off what's growing out of the ground when you don't have the funds to do it. Like, you know, and you're creating business. Like, that's all we've ever done. And the more resources and the more materials we gain, you know, from gaining leverage or going up a level, then we start another joint, you know? Cause we got more to start with, 'Cause we, we did it with zero. So now it's insane. Like, we're just throwing darts at the board, like, fuck it, let's try and start a speedboat racing team tomorrow, you know what I'm saying? Like, fuck, whatever is whatever you want to do. And I've seen people do it. I've seen Master P do it because he had, like, with the bread to try it, you got to go for it. But what you had, but his circle is, was so large at the time with no limit. Like, first crack some ideas, not the best ideas, but you got love for everybody, so you going to roll the dice with everything they come with. You going to try, see, but what's working for us is we don't have that many people, like, around, you know what I'm saying? Like, as far as where the love is, it is right, it is in the room, so we not going to bounce. So if we try each other's ideas, one of 'em going to work 'cause it was just to, you got 19 people in here trying to, you know, tell you what to do and you want to keep everybody happy. You try, you going to end up trying to, like, start a golf cart company and, like, do spacewalks and sell reptiles and wild pets and then just doing everything that they ask you to do. And some of it's not going to work. [00:18:59] Dan Runcie: And I feel like with that, too, is just understanding your brand, understanding what's effective. And I know last year you had released an EP as an NFT, and I know this was the time when a lot of people were first discovering what an NFT is and things like that. What was that like? Because I know that was something that you didn't necessarily need to do to reach your fan base and do everything you wanted to do.[00:19:21] Curren$y: It wasn't to increase the fan base. It was to make our listeners aware that we are in touch with what's going on, and we are going to make sure that you guys aren't left behind as far as having Jet Life representation because we know you wear this shit every day. We know this is all you're listening to. So if the whole world converted to the metaverse, and everybody just wore headsets and live like that, how will you survive if your life is Jet Life? We got to give you something in this shit too. Rather we understand it or not, we have to learn to understand it, to become a part, to take care of y'all out there because it's real, you know? No matter how imaginary it may seem, it's real, you know what I'm saying? It's intangible, but it's a real thing. So we had to be able to provide something for our people 'cause they were there, you know? You look out of touch and, like, not sharp, not able to move, you know, then people wash their hands of you. Other companies won't want to collaborate with us that much because it won't appear that we are in the know, where if you have a big company that's not doing anything in that world, they're like, oh shit, look at Jet Life, well, let's just fuck with them. Let's put some bridge in them because they can handle this for us, blah, blah, and that be our representation 'cause we're far too big to even try to learn and far too big and far too old to even try to learn that shit, you know what I'm saying? So once they saw we did, that makes us look, you know, mobile, you know what I'm saying? [00:20:51] Mousa Hamdan: We have to exist in the future. You know, at the end of the day, we got to do what we have to do to let everybody, like he said, we're in the know, you know, we're aware of what's going on, what's coming, what's worth getting involved with, what's not.[00:21:05] Curren$y: And we going to ride with y'all because if it crashes, all us, then it did it off of us. You know what I'm saying? Fuck it. We going to roll too. [00:21:12] Mousa Hamdan: And even back a long time ago, I don't know if Curren$y even remember this, we did a deal back then with BitTorrent that we released a mixtape on BitTorrent, and it was 'cause the relationship we had with BitTorrent, they wanted to move away from everybody feeling that BitTorrent was a piracy site, and they wanted to like, well what if we give away something that we actually want shared? [00:21:38] Curren$y: Yeah. [00:21:38] Mousa Hamdan: And I remember we did that, I think we had like 156 million shares.[00:21:45] Curren$y: Yeah. [00:21:45] Mousa Hamdan: I told the record label that we were in a deal with at the time and they was like, nah, I got to see that. They didn't believe it. Well, like, what? Don't worry about it. You don't have to believe it. And that's why we're not with y'all now, because y'all don't believe the future. Y'all believing what y'all were taught to believe.[00:22:05] Curren$y: Yep. [00:22:05] Mousa Hamdan: Rather than having your own mind and realizing things change, the world changes. And you just got to be in the mix. You got to know what's going on. You got to get involved where you fit in. [00:22:15] Curren$y: You got to appear agile, man. [00:22:18] Dan Runcie: Stories like that, I feel, is what set y'all apart because if you think back to that time, no one wanted anything to do with BitTorrent or even LimeWire, BearShare, all these places where you could stream music and I get it. It was all the piracy, all the copyright. But at some point, someone asked to be able to say, all right, this is where folks are at. This is how they're getting our music. How could we get our music onto these places? Or how could we just think about it in a different way that isn't just no, don't do that?[00:22:46] Curren$y: Watch it come all the way back to the beginning because we stayed true the entire time, that company that needed to wash his hands and kind of rebirth themselves, needed to stand next to something that was pure the entire time so that they could get some of our life, you feel me? Like, that was the way that shit worked. Their name was so sullied that it was like, okay, as far as music is concerned, people know Jet Life will not falter. They won't fold. They don't go for fucking the dangling carrot. So if we fuck with them, then they would know, like, well, Jet Life wouldn't fuck with us if we were really this pirate fucking factory. So it made everything, you know, legitimate. You know, we saw good in them, so it was cool, yeah. [00:23:34] Dan Runcie: Yeah. It's interesting too, to make me think about the current thing that people are pushing back on, whether it's streaming farms, you know, people trying to drive up these streams and stuff like that. What's your take on that? Because I feel like, for you, something like that's almost irrelevant because you're not in this to, like, sell your music, so you don't care about charts or probably any of that stuff. [00:23:52] Curren$y: I can't blame them because it's not like streams, not like that shit pay you a lot of money, you know? I'm saying it takes a lot of streams to make, like, you know, substantial money. It takes a lot of people. A lot of artists don't even understand, you know what I'm saying? Like, the motherfucker call me like, bro, you did a million streams in the day. Like, so what do you think? I'm going to buy a yacht tonight, like, that was worth $12,000, bro, you know what I'm saying? That was worth 12 grand. I was like, don't trip. So I know they need those machines and shit to try and run those streams up. That could be check fraud. Like, they're trying to fucking, they're riding the clock, like, here man, we did 80 zillion billion streams in Apple music. Here's the paperwork. Fucking pay us, man. It could be that, it could be, we need to fucking this shit up so we could get a deal from some other people, maybe Pepsi Cola will reach out to us because they think we going to bring 'em all this attention and fuck them if we can't. The check's already here. You know, everybody's hustling though. It's not righteous, you know, but none of this shit is righteous. And that's kind of the ceiling that we set on ourselves by trying to, like, be legit, you know, it's not like that, you know what I'm saying? So I don't trip off the stream machines and people with the padded streams or, because I understand why they do it. We're blessed to not have to exist that way. And on the other hand, we do a decent amount of streaming because I put out a good amount of music, so I'm not going to do a million every month on one project like these other dudes, like, dude, some people only got to come out two times a year because that project will stream a million fucking streams a month every month all year. But what I will do is probably drop every month and still make it that way, you know what I'm saying? Or drop every two months, you know, and I'm still making that same bread. We just work harder, you know, because we're not doing a lot of the extra shit. [00:25:56] Mousa Hamdan: It don't hurt that he likes to record and what you're going to do? [00:25:59] Curren$y: Yeah, for sure. [00:26:00] Mousa Hamdan: You going to hold all the music? The music's going to sound old. He was writing about a '96 expedition, right? You got to put it out, bro. Next year, that thing's old. [00:26:11] Curren$y: Yep. [00:26:12] Mousa Hamdan: So at the end of the day, it don't hurt that he likes to record and the fans like to consume the music. They like the new drops. They don't feel like they're oversaturated with his music. They want more. [00:26:23] Curren$y: Yeah. The only time we hear that word is from, like, somebody outside. It's like when I'm doing, like, a press run and the people who had to Google me while we were on the elevator and we get up there to interview me, and that's like some shit they say like, so do you think you know about oversaturation? Like, fuck no, I don't think about oversaturation. I only think about my folks, like, you know what I'm saying? That's you. Y'all don't know. Y'all just tired of saying that Curren$y is coming out again with a project. I'm just tired of saying that. It shows up on y'all fucking thing. You have to mention it. You're just tired of saying this shit. [00:26:58] Dan Runcie: That's them trying to put you into a box. That's them trying to put you into what they know. But like a lot of people that serve their base, you know what they want and you are giving them exactly what they want. [00:27:08] Curren$y: Well, I mean, we interact with and we're around motherfuckers that come to this store all day, sometimes not even, to buy a shirt, like to be like, bro, when is this dropping? Like, you know, to play something for Instagram, when is this coming out? So we got our finger on the pulse of what's keeping us alive. Like, we check our posts often, you know.[00:27:28] Dan Runcie: For sure. Mousa, I want to talk to you a bit about the business of Jet Life and everything you have going on. And I know we talked a little bit about how touring is a big place where you all are getting a lot of the money, but what does the breakdown look like from a high level? Like, how much of the money you all have coming in is from touring compared to the other businesses and then compared to streaming and the music itself? Like, from like a percentage? [00:27:53] Mousa Hamdan: Well, I think, of course, since pandemic, the touring has slowed down. We haven't done anything, but I don't think, for a while, I didn't think the people were ready for a tour, you know, because different cities still had different COVID restrictions and vaccination card restrictions, which would limit the fans of coming to the venues. So it wasn't a good look. I spoke to some other artist manager, who is like, yeah, he's on the road, but he's kind of depressed because shows are not selling out. He feels like he lost it. And it's not that, it's just that the environment wasn't for that. You were going out there too fast looking for the money. The good thing with us was, like he said earlier, that if one thing wasn't doing what we wanted, we had something else that was doing it. So, crazily, the apparel skyrocketed during the pandemic. [00:28:47] Curren$y: And I was the one who thought we needed, I thought we had to stop. [00:28:51] Mousa Hamdan: Yeah. [00:28:51] Curren$y: I was like, nobody is going to buy a fucking hoodie. [00:28:55] Mousa Hamdan: He was like, bro...[00:28:56] Curren$y: There's no toilet paper. There's no fucking lights on in the store. Who the fuck is going to order a shorts, and fuck it, we're selling out of shit. [00:29:05] Mousa Hamdan: Shit was flying. [00:29:06] Curren$y: I was watching the news. There's just one, like, who are these people that are buying? Are they aware that this shit's even happening? Do they know they have nowhere to wear it to? And they're just posting the shit in the crib, in our brand new drop. Like, just fucking kicking it. The love was real, and they kept us alive, bro. I bought like fucking three or four cars while the shit was locked down. You couldn't even, we couldn't even go to dealerships, and I was buying cars because people were buying fucking sweatshirts. I'm sorry. I'm going to go back here. Y'all continue with business talk. [00:29:42] Mousa Hamdan: Definitely.[00:29:43] Curren$y: You know I'm saying? He knows, he knows, he knows. [00:29:47] Mousa Hamdan: So I think when he drops some music, there's a jump in streams, you know what I'm saying? There's a bigger check coming, you know, apparel, same thing. We drop some, a new line or a new drop, it's bam. You know, everybody wants that, and depending on what it is. But, you know, we tend to drop a good little bit of apparel. So I think now apparel and the music kind of coexist, and both have their times, that one makes a little more than the other and vice versa. The other businesses that are fresh starts are creating a revenue. Of course, we don't expect the nightclub business to make the money that the record label makes, but it's an addition. So it is always like our thought of keep putting in the pot. Eventually, that pot will get full or, like he says in the songs, we're trying to fill up a safe. Once we fill that safe up, we just got to get another safe. We're not going to empty that safe. We're going to get another safe. Now we got to fill that one up, you know? So if, you know, at the end of the day, you know, it is Jet Life, we're going to spread our wings, we're going to see what we can put our hands on that will create a revenue and at the same time, sticking to our morals and beliefs of what we feel like Jet Life should stand for. A lot of people don't know, Jet Life, at the beginning, Jets was just an acronym. Just enjoy this shit. So that's what we're doing. We're enjoying it. Or like I tell people, Jet Life has just enjoy this life. So that's where we're at with it, steadily growing, steadily trying to get involved in everything that makes sense. You know, If it doesn't make sense, we leave it alone. So the revenue streams, like I said, it kind of goes back and forth. Apparel definitely is a world of its own now. Apparel is great. You know, we moved from, originally, like you said, with touring. That's when I realized that the apparel was so good because at touring, we were selling so much what I consider tour merch, you know, which is just the name of the show, the city's on the back, a picture of Curren$y on the shirt. You know, all the fans want it. They're like, man, they really love this shit. They're buying it. [00:31:56] Curren$y: That was just a tour shirt. [00:31:58] Mousa Hamdan: So then I was like, well, damn, I'd rather wear our own clothes when I want to go to the nightclub, when I go out to eat, or if I just want to hang around. I don't want to wear a tour shirt all the time, but I want to wear something. [00:32:12] Curren$y: And I didn't want to wear no shirt with my name on it.[00:32:15] Mousa Hamdan: Right. He doesn't want pictures of himself.[00:32:17] Curren$y: I don't want no shirt with me on it, no shirt with my name on it 'cause like, who the fuck am I? You know what I'm saying? Who am I, you know, to even do that? [00:32:27] Dan Runcie: Right. 'Cause that's more like merch, right? And I didn't know that people use merch, but like, no, y'all have a clothing apparel.[00:32:33] Mousa Hamdan: Tour merch. And then we changed it to apparel. Apparel, which you wear on a daily thing, every morning you wake up and you put apparel. You were sleeping in apparel. So we had to reach that. And then every couple of months we just think, what else can we make? What else? 'Cause you know, we started with just t-shirts, you know, then went to hoodies and long sleeves. And then we're like, we got to start getting bottoms and we got to get hats and you know, so now we're, you know, building into accessories and whatever else people may like. And at the same time as well, like I said, we test fitted on ourselves. If it's something that we don't want to wear, I'll always show him stuff like, look, these are some of the new designs. This is some of the stuff that you talked about with me that we created. Now it's on paper. Do you like it? If you like it, let's push the button. Let's go with it. If it's something you would wear. 'Cause at the end of the day, if he doesn't wear it, if I don't wear it, if the other artists on Jet Life don't wear it...[00:33:33] Curren$y: It will sit in the warehouse. [00:33:35] Mousa Hamdan: Why would we expect a fan or a fellow lifer to wear it? They don't want to wear something that you don't even want to wear yourself. So if we don't want to create nothing that we don't like. You know, and that's just, I think our business model with everything we do. We don't want to do anything that we don't agree with. We don't want to do anything that goes against what we stand for. [00:33:58] Dan Runcie: That makes sense. And the point again about the merch, too, I think Curren$y, you had this line in maybe it's an interview, I think you said, but it's like, no one's calling you Sean John merch, right? As you're telling Diddy like, oh yeah, I like your merch. [00:34:12] Curren$y: Right. You know what I'm saying? And just, we have to stand on that, you know? And I think we have for a long time, and it made people change the perception of it, you know. Before, like, just, the fact that we stand behind it like that, it made people buy it who maybe weren't even thinking about it because it made people want to look at it a little more to not like it, you know, like people came in to find like what was wrong. And then it's like, well, shit's just actually, you know, I'm going to buy the shirt, you know what I'm saying? Like, they were coming to point out why it was just merch and it wasn't, you know? [00:34:47] Dan Runcie: Yeah. Yeah. One other question for you, Mousa, about touring itself and just doing live shows. Because of how well the apparel's going right now and how the business overall may have changed since the pandemic, do you ever think that you'll go back to doing the same number of shows that you were doing before the pandemic because of how much success you have with everything else? Do you think it'll scale back a bit at all?[00:35:10] Mousa Hamdan: In my mind, I've always lived thinking never forget where this started from and never forget what created this lane for you to get into. Without the touring, I never knew how much the merch sold. And I noticed that with a lot of artists, there's a lot of artists that don't sell merch, and they don't know the money that they're missing. So without the touring, without the shows that we do, like he said, we put a finger on the pulse of the fans. Well, we'll know who's coming to these shows, you know, and you can see when, all right, well, the shows are getting a little light, so what is it we're doing wrong? There's something that we're missing. Same thing with the apparel. When sales are a little low then I'm like, well, what are we doing that we used to do better? Or what are we missing? Are we getting laid back? Are we feeling like it just is what it is now? But being involved in it like that, I think, keeps us on with whatever else we're doing 'cause it's going to keep telling us, like, this is the pulse of the people. This is what you're doing. So I think we'll always do tours. Maybe we're not, you know, one time we did, I think it was 60 shows in 70 days, which was crazy. [00:36:23] Curren$y: 63. [00:36:24] Mousa Hamdan: Yeah, it was, yeah, crazy. Show every night, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. And they're like, whoa, when is the break, bro? Like, when are we? So I don't think we'll do that. But we're going to stay out there, you know, as long as the people want to see, and he's got fresh music that he wants to perform. And you know, he's an artist, I think, that feeds off the energy, you know. And if the crowd doesn't have the energy, he's like, why am I here? Why am I performing for these people? They don't really want to see me because the energy is not there. So as long as we're feeling the energy, then I think we're there. Hopefully, I don't see it going down no time soon. You know, we're going to keep doing whatever it is that allows us what the universe puts for us to do, you know? And we're just going to be there. [00:37:08] Dan Runcie: How do you look at doing your own shows versus doing festivals? Do you have preferences? I feel like for an artist like you, your own shows where your people are going to be at, right?[00:37:18] Curren$y: Yeah, bro. This is a whole other show. Don't do it. We love, we love, we love festival checks. If I had to pick, I like, you know, me at the House of Blues. I know exactly that the people who are in there, like, are there for what we going to do, you know what I'm saying? The festival, I've been blessed to be a person that you kind of, you can't get around me in the game, you know what I'm saying? So when you don't fuck with me, people speak out to you. You look stupid, you know what I'm saying? You look crazy. So people put me on shit, like just, no, we got to have him on this festival. We got to put him on this. We got to put him on this, you know what I'm saying? And my core people are there, but they're surrounded by people who are, like, waiting for like the next person to come out and like spit fire, you know what I'm saying? And walk on the crowd, pop, you know, like, I can't do it. I'll never do it, you know? So I'm like, I don't want to put my listeners through it because and they're in there like, shit, man. There's, like, a kid who kept, like, elbowing me, you know what I'm saying? Like, some of my listeners are, like, there's always somebody to put me to the side, like, yo, I'm 51, my nigga, like, this is the shit I'll listen to. So them, them dudes don't, they don't want that. Those ladies, like, who pull me to the side, like, boy, look, you know, I could be... I'm like, Yeah, you don't have time for, you know, for that. So I like to do just my thing. But the festival checks go directly to the sports car dealerships. Like, those are the checks that get you off the lot though. So, you know, you're being a fool not to do it, you know? And that's just business. [00:39:03] Mousa Hamdan: The checks are good, yes, but I think as well...[00:39:08] Curren$y: He makes sense with this. I know what he coming with this, but I'm going to tell you, they're coming to business. He makes sense. [00:39:12] Mousa Hamdan: Sometimes, I honestly, in a lot of things that we do, I always tell him, I think he underestimates his reach, you know, and he's too humble to the point of, nah, bro, like, they're not really here for me and this, that, and the other. Now, I'll be honest with you, we had one festival show. I was a little worried. We got on stage. He wasn't on stage. He was backstage, so he didn't know nothing was going on. I literally walked to the DJ. I said, bro, this is probably our last festival 'cause it was like, there was literally 10 people in front the stage. I said, bro, if he gets out here and there's 10 people out here, he's liable to walk off stage, bro, so listen to me. The intro started and it looked like a rush. Like, I didn't know who. They had about 5,000 people or better rush to the stage. And I like, whoa, that's more like it. Then he came out, he didn't see the dead part. He saw that part. He was like, oh, my people are here. They're here. They showed up. They showed up. I'm like, you just don't know. They really did show up 'cause they wasn't here five minutes ago. [00:40:22] Curren$y: They just showed up.[00:40:23] Mousa Hamdan: Bro, but then that's understanding the festivals. You got six stages. [00:40:28] Curren$y: Yeah. [00:40:29] Mousa Hamdan: They're trying to catch everybody.[00:40:30] Curren$y: I was posting one time, there's a way to do it, you know what I'm saying? As long as you are vocal about what time you go on, your people will navigate through to get there for you, you know what I'm saying? But you also, you got the people who're waiting for somebody else 'cause I'm like, it's a gift and the curse, 'cause, like, I'm, like, the most known unknown. So it's, like they know they can't put me on at fucking one o'clock, you know what I'm saying? So then when you put me on at, like, eight, and then there's, like, whoever the fucking, whoever name was written this big on the flyer, this guy's coming after me, all right. The kids who are waiting for this guy are, like, have been pressed against the barricade for hours, like since 11:00 AM. When I come out there with my low-impact workout, like they're fucking dying, like looking at me and I'm like, I get it. Don't trip. I fuck with this guy's music too. He'll be out here in a minute, and I hope he does a backflip on top of you when he does, you know what I'm saying? Like, that shit kind of fuck with me because I'm delivering a real message. Like, every word I write, like, I mean it. So I really don't want to say it sweating to a person who's like this, like on the barricade, just like, bro, please stop. We get it. You like Chevys, you want us all to get rich? Fucking shut up. We want to fucking rap about drugs. Where's the next guy? So that shit kind of make you not want to do it. But then this guy, fucking, he's also the person who says this like, okay, you also woke some people up to the music you make. Then there's always, like, when I get done, the people who work the festival, the grounds, are, like, bro, I never heard this shit, but this was real music. Like, I couldn't understand nobody else's words, you know what I'm saying? This is fucking good. So I'm like, well, that's cool. I do leave out there with more listeners than I did, you know what I'm saying? It might be 12, it might be 150. He going to count every dollar for each one via stream, so I understand where he comes from with that. But I always like, I say it to myself sometimes, and sometimes when it gets too heavy to me, I say to the people around me, I'm like, bro, I'm actually the only one who fucking have to go and do that shit. Like, I get it. We all here, we all fucking supporting, but they're not looking at you, like, get the fuck out. And you got to do this shit for 45 minutes, you know what I'm saying? Sure. There's some people who are enjoying it, but the motherfucker who's right in front of you is dying, and you have to continue to have a good time. Like, that shit is like being a fucking Disney World animatronic or, being like a Chuck E. Cheese thing. Like, that's a rough time for me for sure. But it works, you know? That's anybody's job.[00:43:27] Dan Runcie: It's a balance, right?[00:43:28] Curren$y: You know, a hundred percent love any fucking gig that you have, any job you have, bro. I'm sure everybody at NBA, that was their dream, to go to the NBA. Some of those days sucked though for those dudes, you know what I'm saying? So it ain't always going to be the shit. The situation overall is one that I wouldn't trade for the world. [00:43:48] Dan Runcie: That makes sense. And you mentioned too that the money that you're getting from the festivals is going to the sports car dealership. Can we talk a little bit about that? How's that business set up and how's that been going? [00:44:01] Curren$y: Oh, well, me and Mousa, we've always been kind of into, like, bringing cars back to life, restoring things, and shit. But I've been holding on 'em. But as of late, we're building a stable of vehicles to kind of release onto the public, but it'll be like a collection, the same way we come out with clothes. There'll be like six vehicles put up for sale at one time that we cultivate and put together. We putting together a BMW, a few vintage sports car that we putting together. We're going to roll 'em all out at one time, you know what I'm saying? So I expect them all to be gone, like, within the week. I expect it to be like shoes. Like, I expect motherfuckers to try it and everybody will blow. You know, everybody try their hands at the shit we do. So another motherfucker with a bigger audience and shit will try to do the same thing, but you know, who cooked that shit up first. [00:44:52] Mousa Hamdan: Okay. They know, They know where they got the idea from.[00:44:56] Curren$y: Yeah, they know, too, so it don't matter. [00:44:59] Dan Runcie: Speaking of cars and trendssetting, I know you got a partnership with NASCAR as well, and I feel like there's another thing, too, where not a lot of hip hop artists are doing those deals, but we are just seeing the way things are trended now. Everyone will be following to that. And you got the Jet Life cup series. All right, let's talk about it. [00:45:16] Curren$y: Yeah, man. Yeah, man. Well, yeah. People of any other nationality other than the original rebel down home boys were not involved in NASCAR and they fucking, they had it that way. They built it that way, executive-wise, it's not like that anymore. Now, you know, doors have been broken down, kicked in, and open-minded. People are now there, and it's made it more accessible for fans. I was shocked when I went that I saw like groups of different people, I don't want to just say black people, just different people in general because the other side of it, the way it was, they weren't picking what nationality or what people they didn't want, they didn't want nothing else, but what the fuck they had, you know? So it's way different now in all aspects. It's not just minorities selling nachos. They driving the cars. They are the ones like turning the wrenches and making sure shit is right. They got headsets on, they out there doing the real thing. And I brought one of my younger homies with me, it blew him away. He's at school for engineering, and he was just, he was nervous for us to even be out there. I made a few small jokes to my friends when we first got there based on the appearance and how it looked. But it really wasn't like that once you got down into the meeting. And I read on social media, like I read a few comments. There were some people who were not excited about our presence. There's some people who weren't into the collaboration. I saw one thing under a video that I was so sad 'cause I was like, I hope my mom don't see it. Because the motherfucker was like, what is he coming to steal? And I was like, damn, if my mama sees that, she'll probably cry, you know what I'm saying? Like, it'll take a minute for me to get her over that shit. But what are you going to do? You know what I'm saying? This shit, you can't blame the behavior 'cause it was taught a long time ago. Like, they didn't pop out like that. That's what that motherfucker told him to do, you know what I'm saying? And what we doing is playing the hand and telling the people who are receptive and the new people, the younger generation, like, it could go this way instead, you know what I'm saying? Like, we were up in all the suites and eating NASCAR food, you know, and actually, I'm going to say this, I was a little bummed with the NASCAR because we couldn't get a Coca-Cola badge on our jersey. We wanted to have it because the race that day was actually Coke Zero, Coke Zero 400, all right. So, when they originally had the design meeting for the package, they included Coca-Cola logo because that was the race, you know, that's when it was coming up. And I think like they did the same thing, like, whoever is involved with the collaborations just did a little brief overview of who I was or what I was about, and they're like, oh, no. So like, that kind of fucked me up. [00:48:17] Mousa Hamdan: They'll be back though. They'll be back. [00:48:19] Curren$y: Yeah. But you know, like, I was like, well this still, you know, shit is still hard, you know? But with time, with time, yeah. And I don't know. And then, and I didn't like the you got gang with you. I heard over there, I'm sorry. [00:48:32] Mousa Hamdan: Oh, yeah.[00:48:32] Dan Runcie: That's from fans or was that from NASCAR? [00:48:35] Curren$y: No, no.[00:48:35] Mousa Hamdan: Coke exec. [00:48:36] Curren$y: Just one of the brass at Coca-Cola. And I drank a lot of Coca-Cola, so I really do need to stop, but for health and maybe for business, because motherfucker was like, to the representative from NASCAR who was showing us to where we were going to go to sit down, like, in the suite. He's like, oh, you got a gang with you. And I was just like, damn, like. I'm sure maybe I'm looking at it with a microscope, you know. [00:49:01] Dan Runcie: But still though, you can't say that, yeah. [00:49:04] Curren$y: I really don't know, I just don't know. I just was on the fence. I thought about it a lot. I think about it. [00:49:09] Dan Runcie: But like, they wouldn't say that if, like, Jason Aldean walked up in there with a group of folks.[00:49:13] Curren$y: You got a lot of people with you, you know I'm saying? It wasn't like he said the gang's all here. If he said the gang's all here, that would not have hit me like that. People say that the gang's all here, that doesn't mean that you got a street gang here. [00:49:29] Mousa Hamdan: Right.[00:49:29] Curren$y: But, whoa, you got a gang with you. [00:49:33] Mousa Hamdan: He could have said, Hey fellas and just kept it moving.[00:49:36] Curren$y: Yeah. [00:49:36] Mousa Hamdan: How y'all doing guys? [00:49:38] Curren$y: Yeah. [00:49:38] Mousa Hamdan: And you didn't have to make conversation with us. You were just passing.[00:49:41] Curren$y: It felt like it was a Chappelle show skit because it could have been where keeping the real goes wrong. Because I was like, half step, like, trying to see if I could make eye contact with one of my friends who felt like maybe that was wrong and I had support in, like, hey man, like, what? But it could have went way south. Like, there could be no more NASCAR 'cause shit if we could, would've did that. You know, we just might not have the Coca-Cola on the next one. Or maybe we will, maybe they're like, oh, shit, man. We didn't mean that. I thought I did say that gang's all here. Let's put a badge on the fucking next jacket, you know, it might work that way. And that's business and that's why we're here talking, you know? And and that's why it it pays to be true to yourself within your business. And if your circle is small, it's easier for you to be honest and not worry about if something sounds stupid or anything because, like, we have a yin and a yang, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's what makes it work. [00:50:37] Dan Runcie: Right. And I think that's a good note to close things out. And I want to get your thoughts on this question because as you started with the beginning, y'all have been together for a while, even in this conversation, we can see that chemistry between the two of you, that yin and the yang, you understand each other. What do you think is the secret for having the artist and manager that just stay with each other? 'Cause there's so many times that, either other artists or other managers that have been on this show and they're like, oh, yeah, you know, so and so fired me. [00:51:04] Curren$y: Somebody lied in the beginning.[00:51:07] Mousa Hamdan: Right. [00:51:08] Curren$y: Just like, who fucks up anything. You know, like, just somebody lied in the beginning. The artist was signed to nine different managers. Everybody loaned him $1,500 to help him do something. He's just signing with whoever's going to fucking give him a fucking chain or watch, and he's not being honest. Or there's a fucking, like, a discrepancy on this stack of paperwork or something, and this guy's outsmarting the artist and fucking going to rob and blind, you know what I'm saying? Like, if that happens in the beginning, the intentions are bad in the beginning, then you'll see where it looked good and then it fall into pieces because you find out, you know what I'm saying? Like, fucking, when we read for fucking N.W.A, which is one thing I didn't turn down, I was down to do that. He's coming to me with movie shit. Do you want to read this? Do you want to do this? No, no, no, no. They're like, do you want to be Easy-E? And I was like, no. At first I was like, no, like, they should call his son, you know what I'm saying? But then I end up reading for it, and then they end up getting a guy from New Orleans anyhow. So that was cool. I'm like, damn, I probably could have got that shit. But nonetheless, the part that we were reading, it was after Easy-E's wife went through the paperwork that he did with Jerry Heller and she brought, like, so much shit, attention to him. And when E and Jerry had this talk, it made Jerry cry because he was leaving even though he did so much wrong shit. But in his heart of hearts, he probably didn't think it was wrong 'cause he took dude from nothing. But it was still bad and he couldn't believe how quick Eric was ready to shut the shit down. But it's because he was wrong. Like, once that, there's nothing you could do after that. Once it get like that, it shut down. That shit is heartbreaking. And we never, like, we have not hurt each other like in that aspect, you know what I'm saying? Like, when I came to him, I was like, look, I don't, you know what I'm saying, I ain't signed nothing yet, but this is what's going on. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. That's that, you know. I don't know, I'm going to go talk ahead, I'm going to do this and get this and then not say this. You know, he don't fucking pop up and see I'm doing the show in Colorado and, you know what I'm saying, I didn't say anything. I just went, flew out and oh no, I made just 30 grand right quick, you know. That there's just, it's all on the up, bro. So with that, you know, you stay friends, we friends first all. [00:53:28] Mousa Hamdan: That's I think the biggest thing. [00:53:29] Curren$y: Yeah. If he wasn't in my homie, then we wouldn't do business. [00:53:31] Mousa Hamdan: We started as friends, and then we continued to be friends in this. [00:53:36] Curren$y: Yeah. All the way through.[00:53:38] Mousa Hamdan: We're business partners, but we never was just business partners. We was always friends to begin with. [00:53:44] Curren$y: Right. So that make you not be able to do no fucked up business. [00:53:48] Mousa Hamdan: And then we trust each other. [00:53:49] Curren$y: You know what I'm saying? You can't do that to your friend.[00:53:52] Mousa Hamdan: Trust is big, you know. I think he trusts my decisions, I trust his decisions. And then we talk about things, like he said, we were going to always converse about whatever decisions we want make. If there's ever a thought, I think, you know, this may be wrong or whatever, I'm going to consult with him as if he was my manager, you know what I'm saying? So we're going to talk and the trust issue, I always hear that, you know, how, why y'all been together so long? I'm like, if you build a business, who builds a business to separate, right? We build a business together [00:54:24] Curren$y: Who are these people that you're with? Who's in your car? Who the fuck are you riding with in the car? Like, who? That's why. That's why I said, like, having 19 and 30 motherfuckers. Like, now there might be 30 people in this building at a time, and they all could have a Jet Life chain, they all be a part of what's going on. But at the end of the day, you know what I'm saying? When it'll come down, it'll come down. Like, we got to sit down and fucking, you know what I'm saying, and put it together, you know. Everybody respect that because when we come out the room, we come out the with the right answer.

Your Bluetooth will make the rounds in Mexico City on a classic pacific dining car level Breakfast when Music Mogul, Legend, Deeply Rooted in the West Coast Sound, partner of Jerry Heller, Worked with Eazy-E, and so much more Pablito, the Don of Hit Songs, The King of Producing, The Master of The Re-Mastered Album, Pablito hits the HLS Studio with Big Lucks, Ol' Blue Eyes, and Chumahan to talk about 1) why is Latin Music so much bigger, 2) What was on the secret menu at the Pacific Dining Car, 3) Why all dope-flavor kitchens always have Latin Chefs, 4) How to travel in style in Mexico City and so much more. BONUS: WEST COAST LOCALLY SOURCED INGREDIENTS INFUSED IN THIS ICONIC EPISODE#westcoast #NWA #musicproducer #hood #LA@biglucks17 @chumahan @estevanoriol @pablitovasquez.fmp @slimtheproducer https://www.foundation-media.comwww.hardluckshow.comwww.hardluckshow.com/mercadoEmail to: hluckshow@gmail.comHLS: Audiobook ART OF WAR hls.gumroad.com/l/mbhxs Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-hard-luck-show/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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In this special rewind episode of Club Shay Shay, revisit one of Shannon's favorite segments from the show so far. Ice Cube discusses the origins of NWA, creation of the name, rise to stardom and their eventual breakup. Cube cites friction with group member Eazy-E and manager Jerry Heller that ultimately lead to both sides releasing diss tracks as Cube went solo. "I was just surprised they would take it there," Ice Cube says of the beef that escalated after his departure.Listen & follow more FOX Sports podcasts: http://sprtspod.fox/applepodcasts#DoSomethinB4TwoSomethin & Follow Club Shay Shay:                                                                 https://www.instagram.com/clubshayshayhttps://twitter.com/clubshayshayhttps://www.facebook.com/clubshayshayhttps://www.youtube.com/c/clubshayshay Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this special rewind episode of Club Shay Shay, revisit one of Shannon's favorite segments from the show so far. Ice Cube discusses the origins of NWA, creation of the name, rise to stardom and their eventual breakup. Cube cites friction with group member Eazy-E and manager Jerry Heller that ultimately lead to both sides releasing diss tracks as Cube went solo. "I was just surprised they would take it there," Ice Cube says of the beef that escalated after his departure. Listen & follow more FOX Sports podcasts: http://sprtspod.fox/applepodcasts #DoSomethinB4TwoSomethin & Follow Club Shay Shay:                                                                  https://www.instagram.com/clubshayshay https://twitter.com/clubshayshay https://www.facebook.com/clubshayshay https://www.youtube.com/c/clubshayshay Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Your earbud's breakfast starts stinking from the 8-ball win powerful Pablito Jerry Heller partner witness insider too NWA easy and a hell of a lot more along with producers slim hit the pyfc with big lux all blue eyes and chumahan. Here the gangsta rap gospel from the man who is originally there and saw it all go down here stories you've never heard before about the music industry about rappers you thought you knew the truth behind the notorious Jerry Heller, bonus here who is the greatest guitar player of all time from two music moguls, and finally here the greatest sex pot groupie story that'll have you climbing the walls when Pablito talks about the time touring with pleasing, if you hate Rock if you hate rap if you hate sex if you hate big ass guns this episode is not for you you.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-hard-luck-show/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Qualcomm is the world's largest fabless semiconductor designer. The name Qualcomm is a mashup of  Quality and Communications and communications has been a hallmark of the company since its founding. They began in satellite communications and today most every smartphone has a Qualcomm chip. The ubiquity of communications in our devices and everyday lives has allowed them a $182 billion market cap as of the time of this writing.  Qualcomm began with far humbler beginnings. They emerged out of a company called Linkabit in 1985. Linkabit was started by Irwin Jacobs, Leonard Kleinrock, and Andrew Viterbi - all three former graduate students at MIT.  Viterbi moved to California to take a job with JPL in Pasadena, where he worked on satellites. He then went off to UCLA where he developed what we now call the Viterti algorithm, for encoding and decoding digital communications. Jacobs worked on a book called Principles of Communication Engineering after getting his doctorate at MIT. Jacobs then took a year of leave to work at JPL after he met Viterbi in the early 1960s and the two hit it off. By 1966, Jacobs was a professor at the University of California, San Diego. Kleinrock was at UCLA by then and the three realized they had too many consulting efforts between them, but if they consolidated the request they could pool their resources. Eventually Jacobs and Viterbi left and Kleinrock got busy working on the first ARPANET node when it was installed at UCLA. Jerry Heller, Andrew Cohen, Klein Gilhousen, and James Dunn eventually moved into the area to work at Linkabit and by the 1970s Jacobs was back to help design telecommunications for satellites. They'd been working to refine the theories from Claude Shannon's time at MIT and Bell Labs and were some of the top names in the industry on the work. And the space race needed a lot of this type of work. They did their work on Scientific Data Systems computers in an era before that company was acquired by Xerox. Much as Claude Shannon got started thinking of data loss as it pertains to information theory while trying to send telegraphs over barbed wire, they refined that work thinking about sending images from mars to earth.  Others from MIT worked on other space projects as a part of missions. Many of those early employees were Viterbi's PhD students and they were joined by Joseph Odenwalder, who took Viterbi's decoding work and combined it with a previous dissertation out of MIT when he joined Linkabit. That got used in the Voyager space probes and put Linkabit on the map. They were hiring some of the top talent in digital communications and were able to promote not only being able to work with some of the top minds in the industry but also the fact that they were in beautiful San Diego, which appealed to many in the Boston or MIT communities during harsh winters. As solid state electronics got cheaper and the number of transistors more densely packed into those wafers, they were able to exploit the ability to make hardware and software for military applications by packing digital signal processors that had previously taken a Sigma from SDS into smaller and smaller form factors, like the Linkabit Microprocessor, which got Viterbi's algorithm for encoding data into a breadboard and a chip.  The work continued with defense contractors and suppliers. They built modulation and demodulation for UHF signals for military communications. That evolved into a Command Post Modem/Processor they sold, or CPM/P for short. They made modems for the military in the 1970s, some of which remained in production until the 1990s. And as they turned their way into the 1980s, they had more than $10 million in revenue.  The UC San Diego program grew in those years, and the Linkabit founders had more and more local talent to choose from. Linkabit developed tools to facilitate encoded communications over commercial satellites as well. They partnered with companies like IBM and developed smaller business units they were able to sell off. They also developed a tool they called VideoCipher to encode video, which HBO and others used to do what we later called scrambling on satellite signals. As we rounded the corner into the 1990s, though, they turned their attention to cellular services with TDMA (Time-Division Multiple Access), an early alternative to CDMA. Along the way, Linkabit got acquired by a company called MACOM in 1980 for $25 million. The founders liked that the acquirer was a fellow PhD from MIT and Linkabit stayed separate but grew quickly with the products they were introducing. As with most acquisitions, the culture changed and by 1985 the founders were gone. The VideoCipher and other units were sold off, spun off, or people just left and started new companies. Information theory was decades old at this point, plenty of academic papers had been published, and everyone who understood the industry knew that digital telecommunications was about to explode; a perfect storm for defections. Qualcomm Over the course of the next few years over two dozen companies were born as the alumni left and by 2003, 76 companies were founded by Linkabit alumni, including four who went public. One of the companies that emerged included the Linkabit founders Irwin Jacobs and Andrew Viterbi, Begun in 1985, Qualcomm is also based in San Diego. The founders had put information theory into practice at Linkabit and seen that the managers who were great at finance just weren't inspiring to scientists.  Qualcomm began with consulting and research, but this time looked for products to take to market. They merged with a company called Omninet and the two released the OmniTRACS satellite communication system for trucking and logistical companies. They landed Schneider National and a few other large customers and grew to over 600 employees in those first five years. It remained a Qualcomm subsidiary until recently. Even with tens of millions in revenue, they operated at a loss while researching what they knew would be the next big thing.  Code-Division Multiple Acces, or CDMA, is a technology that allows for sending information over multiple channels so users can share not just a single frequency of the radio band, but multiple frequencies without a lot of interference. The original research began all the way back in the 1930s when Dmitry Ageyev in the Soviet Union researched the theory of code division of signals at Leningrad Electrotechnical Institute of Communications. That work and was furthered during World War II by German researchers like Karl Küpfmüller and Americans like Claude Shannon, who focused more on the information theory of communication channels.  People like Lee Yuk-wing then took the cybernetics work from pioneers like Norbert Weiner and helped connect those with others like Qualcomm's Jacobs, a student of Yuk-wing's when he was a professor at MIT. They were already working on CDMA jamming in the early 1950s at MIT's Lincoln Lab. Another Russian named Leonid Kupriyanovich put the concept of CMDA into practice in the later 1950s so the Soviets could track people using a service they called Altai. That made it perfect for  perfect for tracking trucks and within a few years was released in 1965 as a pre-cellular radiotelephone network that got bridged to standard phone lines. The Linkabit and then Qualcomm engineers had worked closely with satellite engineers at JPL then Hughes and other defense then commercial contractors. They'd come in contact with work and built their own intellectual property for decades. Bell was working on mobile, or cellular technologies. Ameritech Mobile Communications, or Advanced Mobile Phone System (AMPS) as they were known at the time, launched the first 1G network in 1983 and Vodaphone launched their first service in the UK in 1984. Qualcomm filed their first patent for CDMA the next year.  That patent is one of the most cited documents in all of technology. Qualcomm worked closely with the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) in the US and with industry consortiums, such as the CTIA, or Cellular Telephone Industries Association. Meanwhile Ericsson promoted the TDMA standard as they claimed it was more standard; however, Qualcomm worked on additional patents and got to the point that they licensed their technology to early cell phone providers like Ameritech, who was one of the first to switch from the TDMA standard Ericsson promoted to CDMA. Other carriers switched to CDMA as well, which gave them data to prove their technology worked. The OmniTRACS service helped with revenue, but they needed more. So they filed for an initial public offering in 1991 and raised over $500 billion in funding between then and 1995 when they sold another round of shares. By then, they had done the work to get CDMA encoding on a chip and it was time to go to the mass market. They made double what they raised back in just the first two years, reaching over $800 million in revenue in 1996.  Qualcomm and Cell Phones One of the reasons Qualcomm was able to raise so much money in two substantial rounds of public funding is that the test demonstrations were going so well. They deployed CDMA in San Diego, New York, Honk Kong, Los Angeles, and within just a few years had over a dozen carriers running substantial tests. The CTIA supported CDMA as a standard in 1993 and by 1995 they went from tests to commercial networks.  The standard grew in adoption from there. South Korea standardized on CDMA between 1993 to 116. The CDMA standard was embraced by Primeco in 1995, who used the 1900 MHz PCS band. This was a joint venture between a number of vendors including two former regional AT&T spin-offs from before the breakup of AT&T and represented interests from Cox Communications, Sprint, and turned out to be a large undertaking. It was also the largest cellular launch with services going live in 19 cities and the first phones were from a joint venture between Qualcomm and Sony. Most of PrimeCo's assets were later merged with AirTouch Cellular and the Bell Atlantic Mobile to form what we now know as Verizon Wireless.  Along the way, there were a few barriers to mass proliferation of the Qualcomm CDMA standards. One is that they made phones. The Qualcomm Q cost them a lot to manufacture and it was a market with a lot of competition who had cheaper manufacturing ecosystems. So Qualcomm sold the manufacturing business to Kyocera, who continued to license Qualcomm chips. Now they could shift all of their focus on encoding bits of data to be carried over multiple radio channels to do their part in paving the way for 2G and 3G networks with the chips that went into most phones of the era.  Qualcomm couldn't have built out a mass manufacturing ecosystem to supply the world with every phone needed in the 2G and 3G era. Nor could they make the chips that went in those phones. The mid and late 1990s saw them outsource then just license their patents and know-how to other companies. A quarter of a billion 3G subscribers across over a hundred carriers in dozens of countries. They got in front of what came after CDMA and worked on multiple other standards, including OFDMA, or Orthogonal frequency-Division Multiple Access. For those they developed the Qualcomm Flarion Flash-OFDM and 3GPP 5G NR, or New Radio. And of course a boatload of other innovative technologies and chips. Thus paving the way to have made Qualcomm instrumental in 5G and beyond.  This was really made possible by this hyper-specialization. Many of the same people who developed the encoding technology for the Voyager satellite decades prior helped pave the way for the mobile revolution. They ventured into manufacturing but as with many of the designers of technology and chips, chose to license the technology in massive cross-licensing deals. These deals are so big Apple sued Qualcomm recently for a billion in missed rebates. But there were changes happening in the technology industry that would shake up those licensing deals.  Broadcom was growing into a behemoth. Many of their designs sent from stand-alone chips to being a small part of a SoC, or system on a chip. Suddenly, cross-licensing the ARM gave Qualcomm the ability to make full SoCs.  Snapdragon has been the moniker of the current line of SoCs since 2007. Qualcomm has an ARM Architectural License and uses the ARM instruction set to create their own CPUs. The most recent incarnation is known as Krait. They also create their own Graphics Processor (GPU) and Digital Signal Processors (DSPs) known as Adreno and Hexagon. They recently acquired Arteris' technology and engineering group, and they used Arteris' Network on Chip (NoC) technology. Snapdragon chips can be found in the Samsung Galaxy, Vivo, Asus, and Xiaomi phones. Apple designs their own chips that are based on the ARM architecture, so in some ways compete with the Snapdragon, but still use Qualcomm modems like every other SoC. Qualcomm also bought a new patent portfolio from HP, including the Palm patents and others, so who knows what we'll find in the next chips - maybe a chip in a stylus.  Their slogan is "enabling the wireless industry," and they've certainly done that. From satellite communications that required a computer the size of a few refrigerators to battlefield communications to shipping trucks with tracking systems to cell towers, and now the full processor on a cell phone. They've been with us since the beginning of the mobile era and one has to wonder if the next few generations of mobile technology will involve satellites, so if Qualcomm will end up right back where they began: encoding bits of information theory into silicon.

Your earbuds will watch “The Facts of Meth” when Big Luck's, Ol' Blue Eyes, Schwartz and Chumahan rip apart the bullshit on music and the huge catalog sell-offs by legacy artists and the question is: where the fuck is the new music? Find out Tech Corp's plot to kill off new music, to create and milk the shit out of old music catalogs with the freezing power of nostalgia. Dogface? Stevie Nicks. Why does Chumahan hate the term “4-D Chess.” Chumahan's invitation to send in Silly Shit to hluckshow@gmail.com. Are viral nostalgic fake-assed blowups choking out true blue grassroots new talent? OBE's advice for new artists comes to light and Schwartz's buddy Silly Puddy. OBE's music crisis and whether the HLS Intro is too long.Transcript:Good morning and welcome to the hard luck. I'm sure about qualify west side host Steve lucky Luciano. That's why these gentlemen you've tuned into the greatest show on earth is to our look, show, come eat. If you, from the people youth center in Santa Monica college. Sidney across from me, my cohort,Indian, Southern California.all that grind on that's wrong. You know why? Because I live for the pain of that foot. Stop me. Stop me.Yeah, just like that. And on soundShawn Lewis, social awkward damn dog, goodengineersfrom P E to the.And talking about gee, we got the Xtrordinair showrunner. Yay. Ordinary show runner run. The extraordinary show. Yes, what's up boy. What's up fellas. Oh man. When they say that's an extraordinary show because we had shorts on, he was touching the shit in the turns extraordinary. Cause that's true. Tell us the secret to your magic.Yes. It's just, you know, being a 85 year old man trapped in a 40 year old body. Uh, that's my secret man. The wisdom, the wisdom, the wisdom of ancient wisdom bang and with some more wisdom for you. Yeah. It'sAli on the visuals. You already know, know what time it is. All right. You guys, you heard it? Yup. Oh man, that pumps me up more than anything else in the entire world, just yelling. I was trying to come inside to the studio, get out of it. I got away from the dumpster and we got to go inside. Then you cut to here.You already dealt with the avid is Allie. It's your boy. It's your boy. I lik I just make demands, right. Cosmic. Right. Hey, tell us what's coming up in the, in the fashion weeks. What's on the, you're not, are you tell us, get predict, please predict I just released here. What I've done or like, no, no, no. You're a fashion Maven.Obviously the dreads prove that. And tell us, sir, please. If you will, where is fashion going in the next year? Digital everything is going cyber. So you gotta get on the way before it's too late. A lot of things are changing and, and IMTS and all sorts of block chains are really going crazy right now with the web three.So you just gotta take advantage of the tools that. Right now. All right. All right. So Hey, blockchains are going crazy. Real insight. Good. Going crazy. Speaking of, uh, new technologies and digital and all this fucking shit, that's coming down upon us while we're still in a social coma from COVID. One thing I've been thinking about is new music, new music, new music.It's fun. There's only a few people making good music. When you say that, Sean, I would say that I, as a matter of fact, it's funny, you mentioned it. Well, I'm glad I was glad, I'm glad you asked. So I'm reading the Atlantic today, this morning at like 4:45 AM. And, uh, I was looking at this article. It said that, um, 70% of all the U S music market is old shit like catalog.Right. Like, no one is listening to new music. How many artists have sold their fucking complete portfolio? I just saw that. What was it? Uh, some Bob Dylan, Bob Dylan, Bob Dylan. His whole fucking for how much? I don't know. Look it up. Look it up. Look it up. Uh, I've heard about Neil young, all a Spotify thing with them.Well, wait, let's go back. Okay. Let's go back to Sean's thing and then we'll pick up on the BA uh, Neil young. Go ahead, Sean. So nobody's listening to new music. Nobody. Yeah. This is why I'm always saying that. Fuck nostalgia. I'm sick of fucking the scholarship because it's killing us. But go ahead. Why? So let me read this quote.It says 200 most popular new tracks now regularly account for less than 5% of total streaming. Wow. Dang, believe that. Think about that top 200 shots that the top two new only account for 5% of total streams, that means it's virtually not penetrating anything, right? That means it's not doing anything.It's also because it's mostly. No, I'm not interested in looking at it. Right. Look at people ain't even interested in going there to listen to it. Okay. Just, I did just look this up. Bob Dylan's catalogs sold between two 50 and 300. 200, 2 50, 300 mil cash out for Bob Dylan on his fucking, all of his. And I guarantee you when that dude was down in the fucking village and he was fucking drinking coffee and doing Coke and all the other shit he was doing, he did not think in a million years that his body of work was going to wind up selling for 250 mil.I gotta be honest as much as that is, it seems low. Bob, Bob, Bob, doing as my point of view, is that like, if you're an artist nearing like sort of the end of your life, I mean, basically he's got retirement. Yeah. Why not? Cash? We just talked about just that cashed out on ESPN, on the games. Um, the, uh, um, football.Who cashed out EA sports gave fucking what's his name? Two 50, right? Same. Right. That was a cash out for sure. Right. Right. And I don't think that guy, when he was fucking a PE teacher ever thought his name. Would sell for two and is the type of thinking, and we're not going to get lost on that track, but that's the type of thinking where, when he's talking about blockchains and all this shit that you have no idea, right?Oh, that's going to be even, but the boss, Bruce Springsteen. Yeah. Five 50 for his catalog. That's more for Bruce Springsteen. Did that, dude. I mean, think about some of the iconic music that, that, listen, I'm not saying we're fans necessarily, but I'm just saying, if you think about middle America born in the USA, for sure.But also like on, when I lived in New York, like you always heard Bruce Springsteen on the radio and you always heard, uh, piano fucker. Oh my God. What the fuck? What the fuck is this? And he got fat. Oh my God. Billy Joel. Yeah, it's constant airplay on the radio has used them though. The people that are paying out these huge catalog fees, right?Yeah. Group that decides we're going to give Bruce Springsteen five 50. We're going to give Dylan two 50 upfront. Yeah. These companies to make an investment like that. They have to already know they're going to make a hundred times that off of the investment. I mean, what is a hundred times. Five 250 million, right?25 billion. So these groups are making investments of that size on that, like, to be able to deal out 250 million, right. They get what I'm saying. Like if they're pack these guys understand digitally, what's going to happen with that. And when they own it and every way they can squeeze it out and make a hundred times that do both those guys abuse, that will literally last forever.Forever, but yeah, but, but, but so going back to this and you know what, actually, Darren Craig talked to me about this, it's kind of, and he said, it's tripping me out. But what he's seen is is that a lot of major pieces of catalog from publishing houses, studios, and legacy celebrities are being purchased for enormous sums upfront money.Right. And he, he doesn't understand yet, but he thinks. There's something that everyone in tech has predicted that is going to mean that these things are going to be worth 10 times. That for some reason, well, now they are. What do you mean? Everyone starts listening to old music. I mean, these are worth way more than you would think they're worth, right?If we're not creating any new legacy of this, then we're going to have to lean on these old catalog. For the Mo the majority of our listening. Sure. Which means that, you know, investing, you know, 300 million into something isn't really all that big of an impact. Check this out. Stevie Nicks made a deal for a reported hundred million dollars with primary wave for her portion of publishing rights to some of her biggest hits of this means that the portion that listen her.That means that the studio or the producer who recorded it, whoever owns the masters, all that shit probably still has their piece. Uh, and it's only for like edge of 17 in landslide right now. Dog face. Yeah. He must've made that shit. Oh my God. So, so, so, so sit back for a second. Just think about this.Cause these guys are playing like four D chess. I hate that fucking term, but anyway, right. So I guarantee you that when you see some virus viral things and you go like, how come dog face? How did that, like, why did that blow up the way that it did? And it occurred with that music right to fucking Fleetwood Mac.How did that blow up? And then also at some point we're learning that Stevie Nicks is selling catalogs and it's adding to the nostalgia and updating the nostalgia. I guarantee you there's a connection there. Ah, dude, there's gotta be people playing everybody that they're, they're floating out and, and they're squeezing off new artist.Yeah, well, but artists are talking about that though. What do you mean artists are talking about how they can't get in and play. We got to pay to play, right? And they don't make these deals. They're not getting any of the streams where every that's been going on. Right. So look at it this way. If you're able to circulate in nostalgic track, you're able to extract more money out of one song and you don't have to deal with the artists.They're bullshit. The fucking whatever they're lawyers, they're Coke, they're bitches they're. You don't have to deal with none of that. You don't have to figure out how to pay the fucking writer and the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You just take that one track. And if you can create a value in these nostalgic hits and you close off the new.You got way more control. It's a similar thing that's happening in film and television. One of the driving forces of animation and CGI is that please, dear God, please. There's some producer, right? Some PFAFFA producer would say fucking, just oily packages lined with gold. He's just make money, hand over fist.The one thing that sticks in his fucking cry is that he can't control Jack Nichols. Because the guy's a fucking star and he's got to pay Tom cruise prices. And who knows, if he's going to go off the rails, quit the production, hold it all up, all that bullshit. Right. But you got to deal with when you're dealing with a mega fucking blue chip star, that's a human being.The minute you can turn him into a cartoon, that's real enough that it looks real. He's never gonna be. He's never going to fucking join a union. He's never going to develop a weird Coke habit animate me. So let's, and let's, let's create this. Metaverse create movies without having to pay any humans. And we can fucking control costs like a motherfucker.And that's what's happening with music in nostalgia, in an audio version, freezing an artist. What they already created. And trying to milk the fuck out of that. So here's the next gig, if you want, if you want to ensure your legacy as a paid actor, start getting into voiceovers. Yeah. That's right. Start working on your, uh, You're imitation game.That's why my boy I'm telling you, he works a lot, bro. Silly putty, silly kid. Yeah. He works a lot, man. And, and uh, you know, makes decent coin doing it to decent Wayne. Hey, what? So, so the, so that's what I think, podcasts. This is what I've been trying to kind of flow out there is that right now it's a flood.Oh, yeah. So like, if you can build up the world and the characters and the, and the interpersonal dynamics and a following, and that the dah on a podcast situation, you are creating those audio gigs that you're talking about. What else. Okay. But, okay. So, so we got to that. So go on with the new music. What else is there to explore on this topic?I mean, there really isn't, I mean, it's just that like your numbers, that you were always tripping off those numbers. I was, uh, I was sort of at a crisis myself about, you know, I read some YouTube comment. Just like, you know, everybody chips off the, you know, why not trip off some YouTube comments? There was a comment on one of our, our videos.And it was saying that the, the interest too long. Yeah. Somebody said it's a waste of time. S 8 1 8. Yeah. And he said, and the intro's a waste of time. But then again, bro, I've heard other people say that they look forward to the intro cause they don't know half of the tracks that we're throwing up. And I know for me, like if I listened to a podcast, I kind of skipped the intro.It's like the same old shit. And I guess in a sense. What you're saying is right. Some people listen because they want to see what playing or whatever. Cause yeah, you're right. I didn't even think about that. I do the same fucking thing on podcasts. I listened to. I skip our own shit all through it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.Yeah. But that's the type of people we are. Well, that's, that'd be where and the other thing I want you guys to remember is to just keep in mind. A lot of us amongst each other have commented about how sometimes the show just starts. And there's nothing, all of a sudden you're in the middle of a conversation.Right. We've all kind of weighed in and said, we liked that. And we play with that. Yeah. I personally, when we were rolling right into a conversation, I love that. I mean, I'm attached to it. Yeah. Introduction, because that's how we've been branded branded. And that's kind of what we were showing is you do an introduction.So I don't, but I think we keep them guessing, well, we live in a that's true, but we live in a society right now where intros are deemphasized. And think about this time they want, think about, think about this in shows, used to be for moot television shows. They used to be formerly. Right. They used to be, there was a guy, Mike post, Sean who's Mike postHe's a, I mean, he's a record producer, but he's also a composer and he did a bunch, bunch of, uh, interest for me was basically, yeah. Television shows. Right. And so like, you used to fuck you. Back in the day, like you would come on and watch small wonder, and it'd be like a whole fucking intro. Everybody trying to eat a sandwich or a taxi.Listen to that depressing music on the east coast facts alive. Right? You take a book, you take a bag and all that.The facts of math,right? That'sright. But now in the age of being. And, but, and also remember there were credits during that, so you'd know like, oh, okay. Who the stars are. There was no fast forward though. There was no fast food. There was no, you know what I mean? I've seen that game, bro, like, right. Nobody would ever watch that shit so different, bro.Now, when I do a show like a binge watching a show, I skip intro. They give you a button that says. I was one of the first one, and then I write it out. I'd skip it. I remember Narcos skipping all that shit, but because it's the same every fucking time. Well, ours isn't if you're concerned. Ah, but listen, if you're consuming on a, on a what'd I binge watch, right?Yeah. You don't want to be watching the fucking intro all that time. I think we, I know something, I don't, ain't going to say it, but you said enough with that. Right. Right. And you know what, and you know what, I'll tell you something else, man. I mean, the other piece of this that I'm looking at is, you know, you can't put art out there.You can put art out there without having critics that like one piece and don't like another piece. Right. And it, the game, you know, I'm not a mass appeal kind of guy. That's not my strong suit that Steve, your strong suit is that you do understand, we had that talk about. Uh, Mount w uh, Westmore Westmore, and that collaboration between Snoop and fucking 40 and all that shit.Right. And you understand mass appeal and all that stuff. So on a certain level, you know, I don't think media is necessarily set up for mass appeal like that, unless they're trying to create this nostalgia thing, you know, or they're trying to, they're trying to chum the water. Right for this like other stuff.And I think that, um, this is a jumping off point. This shows a jumping off point. I don't think that this show has an end into itself. I don't either, uh, listeners Ben and whoever's listening right now to the show. If you can draw. Yeah, you can draw, you need to reach out. At get, you know what? Just get it, the show.Get it. Hard luck. Uh, luck show@gmaildotcomhluckshowatgmail.com and you know what? I'm looking for some help with some artists, Hey, and send in some silly. Um, I'm telling everybody you want to email anything. You can take a picture of your fucking balls. You can fucking get, Hey, come on. What do you mean? I don't want boss.He's got to read the email you don't want. And you know what though? Go ahead and should have, well, I would love to do a Q and a show if we get listeners sending in questions. Yeah. And where's the phone thing we're supposed to be able to start calling. Yeah, Schwartz that goes on the, on the, on, listen, this is what I'm saying.Look, you don't want balls. I want balls. Okay. Send the ball. But what I'm trying to say is right there, Sean, I want both, you forward all genitalia to you behind. Yeah. Attention to Mohan on the fucking email contains balls. Yeah. Questions and anything, any your silly shit, you little silly fucks out that are out there listening.And you got something funny to say you're out. You see any fucking parking lot lizards that you're flying Jang clearly wrong around trying to cycle zombies. Yeah, exactly. All the weird shit you come in. Hey, you get a little snippet video of you talking to the homeless or talking to a city council person.I don't give a fuck what it is. It might make it onto the show. It might be part of the discussion, but start flooding the inbox with crazy silly shit from. And I don't want you to put any filters on it. I know. All right. I don't want any motherfucking filters, cause this is an unfiltered show. Send it in and it might make it onto the fucking show.I want to hear it. See, it was a fucking hate me. Oh, you right there. I see you. Like, I want you to send me that, that one person, that fucking was trying to get me off the show since we fucking started you. I'm talking to you. You fuck you little fuck. You Udall, small Dick motherfucker. I want you to send me all your hate mail and send it to me.Cause you know what? I'm on my way to the bank. When I'm just fucking loading up the bank with tons of greenbacks and laughing, I'm going to use your fucking hate mail to wipe my tears of joy. And then I'm going to throw it in the fucking trash you fucker. 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Uh, Schwartz or me and Schwartz told me that he had like a small conversation with Diablo, big deal. I did man. Shout out to Diablo. Um, yeah. And he was, uh, he was definitely on a creative tip that night.Creating some new tracks and wanting to share him with me. And we talked about, talked about all kinds of shit, man talks about religion, talked about, you know, what did you guys talk about religion? What was because we were texting back and forth and all of a sudden, like he kept on saying like Schwartz is Schwartz.And he's like, you know, I don't know if you're Jewish, but you are. And, and, and, you know, and he started talking about like his experience in prison. Um, you know, Jewish food and then actually go into services and different things like that. Didn't sound like he was a candidate for conversion. No, but he even shared with me that he did sing shallow Malem, which was pretty funny.Why is that funny? No, it was just interesting. You don't want, what does that mean? It's a song. It's a song that song every, a Chavez every Saturday. But when you, what is it? What's the name of the dude? I gotta tell you, I can read Hebrew perfectly and sing it, but I just don't know what it means.Unfortunately, I know Shalom is peace. Shalom Aleichem Shalom. I left my son. Good. Vincent could break it down. Unfortunately, man, I can't sing it. Sing it right now. Come on bro. Do it. Let's let's do this. You can't do no, no, no, exactly. Yeah, but it's not yet, but we're connected to my no, no, you didn't do anything.What about, is there some, is there a prayer on site? Go ahead.which one is, uh, I don't know. I mean, I can get any of it, right? Come on. I'm going to break bread with somebody, you know, you sayor it's mascot fucking, now you can eat the holla. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Give me, give us a couple. There was another one. That's it. I don't know. Yeah. Anyways, so bang back. How long my conversation with Diablo, he was sharing PC, bubbles. He tie, he talked about even share me stories about a woman that his mother worked for, that they were close with.And, um, Yeah, it was really weird. You out and be real, man. Does it weird you out? And we're not saying Diablo is up to anything cause he's not. Cause he's probably honestly trying to ask you about our share or like bond with you about it, but does it ever weird you out that. Does it ever weird you out that, uh, when someone tries to do the Jewish stuff with you and they're not Jewish, do you feel weird about what do you know?Cause there's, there's different. I, I will pick up on the temperature of it real initially. And if people have interests or like a genuine. You know, knowledge that they want to gain or share with me, I'm totally with it. If somebody is trying to do some clowning, shit's going to be a problem real quick.Right. But, but, but you are way more into the Jewish faith earlier on, right? For sure. Yeah. Well, I. But I'm pretty religious. So I went to like a Orthodox Hebrew school, even though I wasn't like Orthodox, but I did go and do that, which is why, like, it's funny because I've been in relationships before where they wanted to go to, like, what's, there's kind of Orthodox is like the highest of high I explained to Mr.And Mrs. Ear buds, who aren't at, what is the Orthodox. Orthodox specifically the, like the black hats, the long beards, um, the women with head coverings and long dresses, stuff like that. Um, you also have, which I have family in New York that are modern Orthodox, which. Do everything the same as those people who look and that's actually traditional, like old school Polish garb, like in Europe.Yeah. But that's like Eastern European. Right. Okay. So let me put, pinpoint real quick right here. Cause that's right. So my godfather, one of my other golfer, one godfathers, Lou Palmer Rico from new castle, Pennsylvania. The other one is Elliot shelter. From Los Angeles. Okay. Shelton, uh, listen, he's a real mench.This one. Here's your godfather. He's also my godfather. He was these two guys were law partners. I mean roommates with my dad when they were in law school together at Pepperdine, Elliot Shelton. Cause I asked him one time I go. Why? So there's all these different kinds of Jewish folks. Right? You got these refills.Which pretty much is like, they don't really do much of anything. They're there they're Jewish, but they're not getting, and then I'll ask them, I'm like, what's with the hats. Like I see some, then there's another group that got the black hats and the beards. He explained to me exactly what Schwartz said, which is that this is a style.Old days in Eastern Europe and there was a very influential or Abby or somebody and everybody just adopted that and just glommed on to that. Does that, does that comport? That's true. Okay. And so you were modern Orthodox, and what does that so modern means you follow all the same shit, but you live in the modern world.You look like you don't have. There's kind of work around, like one of the things where you see people with the long beards is you're not allowed. There's four different points on your head and your face where you're not allowed to actually touch a raiser, touch a blade to your skin. What? Yeah. So that's why, that's why you see there's one right here.That's why you'll see. They have like longer, uh, sideburns a little bit. And what's the reasoning behind not touching a razor to the four points on your face. Right? Embarrassed to say, I don't remember, but, um, there are re but so like the modern Orthodox guys will use like electric razors, right? Because it typically the razors not touch.Correct. This is one of the things I love about the Jewish faith is that they have. So they have these rules where you're like, what the fuck? I don't know, that's around it. That they all share. Somebody came up, right. Somebody came up as a way to observe it and then work around it. Right. And you can kind of see where that would encourage you to.Right. Yes, you're absolutely. Right. Right. So it's, so it's, there's different levels. So you have that and below that you have like, what's called conservative, which is kind of conservative. It's it's weird. So you have conservative, then you have like reformed, which is like the lowest level of rules. If you, and.You know, like in an Orthodox temple, like the men and women are separated. Right. Um, you don't sit together. You'll never see a woman up, like at what's called the Bema, which is like where you, they bring the tore out and put it in, do the read. You'll never see a woman touch that you'll know. It's very, so like my, my wife, Megan, you said right.Dude. I won't even see him looking at that year. Me dude, I had a guy that I went to law school with Dan clench, your fist and relax. Nah, dude, I'm telling you, bro, you're never going to fucking see a woman if she's menstruating. She not even entering the building like that. I think that that kind of has something to do with it, but also like, dude, it's funny when early on.Megan. And I were like going to my family stuff like back in New York and that shit would piss her off, bro. Like, oh, it's sexist or all that, you know, but just the whole separation. No, Megan definitely loves God, the whole separation of the men and the women. But then you go to a conservative and it's first of all, at an Orthodox synagogue, it's all Hebrew.Like there's no heat, there's no English reading. You go to a conservative temple. It fucks me up, bro. Like all these songs have a certain rhythm and shit like that and you'll see them up there. Men or women and women wear fucking yamikas and shit. And where tallest is, it's real true. Like a yamaka Keepa, not like a, just only in shool.Like I didn't really like in shool is temple. Yeah. And anyways, so it would fuck me up though, because like somebody would be up there and they'd be singing. These readings in the same rhythm and tone, but in English up there. And it would just really like, fuck me up. I kinda like to go in, do my shit.Unfortunately it takes away a little bit of the. The meaning. Cause it's not like, you know, in English you get to understand a bit more obviously, right? It's like opera, it's like opera sometimes in opera, you hear the Italian, it sounds great. You don't really know what the fuck they're saying, but that's kind of part of it.And then sometimes they'll sing it in English and you're like lemonade and it kind of changes the nature of it. There's no mystical aspects. Yeah. So anyways, so that's, it's a different setup, but no. So we were talking about, he was sharing with me, his experiences. Um, Sharon, some new music with me and he's coming on.Uh, next week, actually, we're going to have him on and he's excited to come in and bring some new shit that he has been working on. Um, and we're hoping to connect the week before, if not, we're going to do it soon after the conversation. It was about an hour. Okay. And were you actually on the phone with the device to your ear?Uh, no. I had headphones. And so you will walk around talking to the Abla for, I smoked maybe like half a pack of smokes, like just kind of out there and towards the end, Megan, and texted me a few times. And I was like, Hey, I gotta, I gotta jump. And definitely, I think I listened to like four or five more tracks after that.Is there anything hard at now? Listen, no disrespect to the, but is there anything harder than listen to your friends tracks on the phone? Shawn, how many times have somebody been like, Hey, I want to play so, and then they, and then they played their phone right next to. Do you love that? I hate it. Yeah, it actually, I gotta be honest with you.It wasn't bad cause I, it wouldn't, it didn't sound shitty. It actually sounded pretty good. Um, like the sound quality and the music was good. Um, so it wasn't that bad. Um, but it was cool, man. It was a real, like we had actually been kind of playing phone and text tag and shit and, um, and fucking snapping each other with towels in the gym.Amen. So, no, but, uh, and it was good to finally get. Right on forward to doing some stuff with a man Mr. Diablo, his neighborhood, man. It's funny is that, and we're going to talk about that later, um, with Mr. D and you'll see why we're going to talk about it. But when you brought up the thing about somebody is like, yeah, my mom or my parent used to work for like sure.I'm going to check the temperature quick. And I've had a couple people try and make a Jewish joke in front of me and it went south. I told you about that and me and left key in the joint they call the fucking dudes with Roger gets a bit. Well, yeah, they'd be all loving and happy and never. And I got this.I didn't even, I didn't even know what it meant. They'd be Shaloma these dudes might be breaching it off Hitler. And one time, as soon as I walked by, they're like, oh, I got, I was young. You know, I don't even, and they have all, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's funny, bro. And, you know, I've had a couple of people through my life, do some shit, like make a mistake and say something like, why are you being so Jewish over there with that?Or, you know, something like that when I drew them down. Right dude. And I'll be like, I won't even, I won't even need to say anything upset, go, you know, I'm part Jewish and I'll, and, and they start, I came in and shut up after that winter. Oh, bro. I didn't, you know, I, some I did,but best friends now, uh, that, that was, that was, but it's. Um, 90% of the time people talk to me and I tell them they, some of the best stories bro, they've told me about. And we're going to talk about Mr. Duke is Jeffrey was one of them that it's like, and that's so many people, dude, my mom used to work for and they would invite us.And the, and here's the crazy thing about a lot of these stories. Listen to me, when I tell you this, these people that were telling me over and over again, we're not Jewish parents work for these people. Yeah. Over and over again, these people were telling me about what these, their parents, who they worked for did for them.They took all. I got to go to the theater and see this, I got this. I got that. I'm like, well, nigga, yeah, they helped like these, these Jewish people had really influenced these people's lives for their parents working for them. I was hearing stories that didn't what a boss doesn't usually do. Do you get what I'm saying?Yeah. Or a story after story? Oh, I was given these books. I was given this, I was showing that as a man and. It's and I experienced that through my own family. And I've seen that around dude. And like, people are quick to want to try and say some shit about Jews, you know, they are, and I've always experienced Jews, not being.The closed up, you can't get in. It's only us play. Maybe it's perceived like that, but I always see them making it a point to involve, put their hand out, observe respect other, other races and other things. And like, but, but, but let me ask you this question. I'd like to hear your guys' thoughts on this.Judaism. If you were to look at it from one angle is really. Yeah, right. And yet somehow it's evolved into almost quote unquote erase thing too. Yes. Ethnicity. Yeah. It's it's weird. And when I've talked to some Jewish friends, they are like, well, I don't, I actually am not Jewish because I'm not in the, and I'm like, yeah, but you're from Israel.And they're like, yeah, it doesn't matter. And a lot of those Israeli Jews tried to tell me that shit, but I don't buy into it. And so therefore I'm not Jewish, it's a religion and they get offended. If I say. Explain or say that other folks think of it more than a religion. I have that same thing. Cause people will be like, you're Jewish.I'm like, okay. But I don't practice Judaism. Right. I am Jewish by blood birth. I love it. These things are beautiful, but I don't follow Jewish faith. That's not my. Right, but you still here to them, but you still identify that there's a biological component for you as being Jewish. Absolutely. So, so I mean, it, it, it is a religion.I mean, I grew up all the time. People finding out that I was Jewish or, oh, you don't look Jewish. It's like, well, fuck. Like what is looking? You know, like, and then that's a weird discussion. Like what does a Jew look like? Because it is a religion now it's funny because a lot of people that do come from Israel.On on the large blue, more, less observant than like Jews and other countries, whether it be America or Eastern Europe, which y'all always, I found interesting. No, he's saying that folks that are from Israel tend to be a little less observant than people than Jewish folks that are living in other countries.But that would make sense because there's no doubt of their heritage because they actually come from the fucking country. So they don't need to prove it. Right. I'll hold on to anything. Right. Okay. Got it. So know that that's, it's an interesting discussion, but just to go back on the topic real quick, it was funny when Diablo said to me last night about his mom working for this family and kind of what they did and it was Jerry Heller, right?No, it threw me back, man, because growing. We had, you know, I didn't, I've made jokes. I'm not handy. And like growing up in my family, it was like, literally, if there was something wrong or something needed cleaning or something needed done, there was a person for that. And these. Would have kids. And so many times they would come with them.I befriended them. Our family took them to Dodger games or, or sports games, stuff like that. So when he's, he's telling me that from like the other side and it kind of tripped me out because, you know, I didn't, it's not like I kept in touch with any of these people. These were like, long-time people that work like throughout my childhood and growing up.And, um, so it was interesting to hear the other side of it. So like cooks and man. Yeah. I mean, why are we trying to dance around that? Yeah. I mean, why? Well, no, it's, it's it's whatever, it's not, yeah. It's cleaning people. Yeah. Maids. Okay. Yeah, because you know what, that's true, but I think that's true of, you know, because I've been reading, uh, lately I've been reading about African-Americans and I've been reading about world war II and African-Americans and preparation for black history.We're going to do a black history month show. It's not going to be, you know, following Carver or the peanut and any of that shit, but it is going to be about world war II heroes that are black, that were denied the medal of honor based on race when they were fighting fascism and Nazis. Now think about that, bro.Fucking disgusting to me. Think about that. Where gin and up support against racist Nazis. We want black Americans to help in the effort they do and go beyond the call of duty because they believe that once I deliver on this hero wisdom and S and N and sacrifice my fucking book. To the cause of freedom, they go right back to fucking America and they can't even drink at the same soda fountain or walk through the front door of an established Erika.She be ashamed. So in doing that, though, there was a culture of, uh, uh, house maids and cooks of which this hero that I'm talking about. And in that culture, I'm going to say this. They would become friends with the kids. And they would these even like these races, white families, and I think some part of having a class system where you got an owner or a master, if you want to call it that, and then you have house help, right there is already built into the system that we're going to treat you more like family than not.Because we're bringing you in and you're below your, you're below us economically, and you're going to carry the fucking shit. You're going to do the laundry and all this other stuff. And, and, and this is beyond race or whatever. So sometimes I think about like, okay, yeah, that's cool. Everybody that had the money to hire a man, they were cool because they talked to the kids and the maiden, all that other stuff.But there's a long tradition in the elites doing that to maintain the status quo. Does that make sense? Yeah. Do you hear what I'm saying about that show? I'm not saying necessarily that was Diablo his case, but I'm just saying, do you understand that? You're absolutely right, because I'm going to make nice, nice.So long as you stay where you're at and you don't fuck up my shit. Yeah. I don't know that that's everybody's intentions, but I understand what you're saying. Absolutely. There's a lot before that. Sure. There's a lot that's laid down before that happens. Right. Sure. And I understand that. But I also understand these stories are like, it's, it's weird.I hear these stories so often. I'm not, I'm not taking away from that. That's true. That there was great. Uh, business people or whoever they were that extended it like a welcoming, uh, embrace right. To people that were their employees. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, I'm just saying that the America, not even the European system has in it.Cause that's what, well, that's where it came from. That's what down NAB. Like when y'all all these stupid fucks, watch this down NAB and they sit there and they fucking play with themselves and watch, you know, and all this old British bullshit. Right. It's all about looking at this great master and look at the lives and the servants and they, and they were nice and they really cared because they showed up and they helped that old Mae fix her leg.And then they sent her back to work, but it was cool and all that kind of stuff. Well, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. All that shit. Yeah. But what, your one thing that you're missing. That I think you're missing that Jews have always been persecute. They've always been oh, for sure. And I think Jewish people carry that with them and consciously I don't want consciously, they have that on their mind and they consciously want, I feel like most Jewish have that and out of either, either.Guilt or whatever they, they seem to want to extend themselves more and not carry that. I would agree with that. I agree with that. You're absolutely right. That makes total sense to me on that level. And that is a piece that I think should be added to the particular instance in which we're talking about, for sure, because there's no way you can be somebody who was Jewish faith living in.Before they add boats to bring over any other race that we're using the Jews. Not only that, but like I was reading about the Spanish inquisition. Right. It's funny Diablo. And I actually talked about that the other night. What did he say? Well, no, he, cause he was talking about how he explained, I guess there was in prison.He was talking with Jewish guys and there was certain, there was a slang term for pork and. It wasn't the actual name in Spanish for pork in these Jews, these Jewish guys in prison asked him not to use that term because it actually referred to a certain sect of. Um, in Spain where Jews are, are there, there's a, there's a lot of Jews in Spain and, you know, I said, I've done minimal reading on it, but that the whole Spanish inquisition, what I'm saying is talking about the Spanish inquisition and how literally the theory of Christopher Columbus and all those people on the ships were actually Jews that they had been basically sent off because of all the shit going down, but listen.So, all right. That's interesting. The thing is too, to piggyback off of. Right. Is that the Spanish inquisition, a lot of the Spanish acquisition was trying to fair it out through torture and violence, secret Jews, because there were laws back then that the Catholic Pope pushed that said, if you're Jewish, you got convert to Christianity.You can't be fucking around with it. We're not, we're not playing games. Right. And so then, and so then a lot of Jewish people, uh, And then probably as has true with a lot of different civilizations, maintain their true identity underneath, right. And the inquisition was designed to torture, fucks and find out who's a false.Trying to find the real quote-unquote Jews. So the issue there is, I can see where if you come from an experience or a heritage that suffered that, that when you're in the driver's seat, you might act different. You on it, you might act a little different. Yeah. You, you broke that down exactly how right? I didn't want to necessarily make it so that I didn't understand what you're saying.And, but I also didn't want to lose the piece that just economic structurally. There's also an element of that there. Sure. Absolutely. Right now, listen, I'm hearing a bunch of noise out there. Yeah, I think we got, I think we've got guests or Dean, his manager Jeffrey count. Do they want to shit? Oh God damn it.Jesus fucking Christ. Is it running down hill?Why? What happened? Just a little dribble, tiny little drip. What do you want to do? Cause I'm going to start. What are you going to start doing when these guys pull them in? I'll fucking fucking in the goddamn shit. Uh, yeah. Can we end this man? This shit all blew up. has got the Niners game on his mind. He can't even think straight.We haven't even gotten to talk about that. Yeah, we will. We will. This crazy fuck. Will look at his face. Look at that guys. Happier than I've ever seen. I've never seen him radiate, like he is. He's trying to control it cause he doesn't want to fuck a little kid before a fucking trip, like a vacation the night before can't sleep lead.You, you can fucking do anything to him right now. Wouldn't phase him. You can't break his, his spirit. There is no, no touch of you came into Starbucks loud. He was like, oh really? Yeah. He was like, oh, when you know, Sean's feeling good when he's like, oh, boop. And he starts poking you and shit like that, bro.Yeah. I'm like, ah, he's on one. Nah, fucking 900 high on the night when she talk about that. Cause it's LA and the Niners, but honestly I was rooting for the Niners last week, but for the sake of, for the sake of our sanity, I think the Niners should win so that we don't have to see Sean's bummed out face. I mean, I've never seen him more alive know miracle grow.Doesn't do this. What would be a really bummed out phases if they did win tomorrow and then they get crushed? No, no, no. Cause at least he'll be, he'll be able to say like they weren't even supposed to get to the he's already using it already. I know he's already, he's already trying to protect his feelings by being like, listen, the way I'm looking at it.They shouldn't even be here playing all the houses. Yeah. All that you did the last two weeks, it's been straight reverse psychology. Oh, he's like texting, like, oh, Packers are going to win. Yeah, they should have one. I mean, that's the conversation that everybody's having. Fuck. How'd that? How did that happen in green bay loose?You know, they're, they're doing now, but you know, whatever, if they went fucking right on, I just want to know one thing he loved Jimmy G or not. No, I'm not a Jimmy G fan. That is by the way, the proper way to kill the animal on the altar to ask the gods to grant. You do that? It's a vocal version. He's not superstitious, but he hates Jimmy G and we're probably not going to win this.I don't hate him. I don't think he's the future. So funny dude, every night or fan is fucking saying that shit. They're like, oh, you should be happy with Jimmy. G's gotten you guys in NFC championship. Listen, the guy, the guy that sleeps in our studio when we come at six in the morning, right. That guy he hugging.I wish Mr. Mrs. Ear buds are here because what happens is we come and knock on the fucking door and then you hear like aerosol air freshener. Yeah. Clouds of fucking, popery trying to capture he's smell out of the fucking air. Right? Mr. Mr. Earbuds could fucking smell the studio and we come in at 6:00 AM.Oh boy. I smell like booed air. Whom was like, someone's been putting in work. It's not like blood, sweat, and Poon who has been putting in work that normally isn't put in around here except on the two K fuck. Listen.very new air.clean up. Barely.Follow your team anytime, anywhere with contour TV and the contour app from Cox. 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Hello everyone, welcome  back.Today we'll have a throwback Thursday on The True Story of N.W.A. Playing “Fuck Tha Police” It wasn't gunshots that caused widespread panic. According to the group's inner circle, police set off fireworks to sow chaos. In the summer of 1989 in Detroit, N.W.A. made it through some 30 seconds of "Fuck Tha Police" before apparent gunshots went off in the crowd at Joe Louis Arena. Prior to that, Ice Cube, Dr. Dre, Eazy-E and the rest had played their signature anthem exactly one time on stage—at the Celebrity Theater in Anaheim the previous spring. The group heard the shots and took off, only to run backstage into a line of cops, who threw them to the ground, handcuffed them and hauled them away.It's a dramatic rebellion story that prefigures this era of anti-police-brutality protests, but the way it's told in the group's 2015 biopic Straight Outta Compton isn't exactly true."'We're all running together and getting caught and getting thrown'—I guess that's done for Hollywood," says N.W.A.'s DJ Yella, who was on stage at the time. "We didn't get arrested. All that commotion and we ended up getting a ticket, like $100 or something like that."In the film, Ice Cube gives a stirring speech to introduce the song: "This is N.W.A., we do what the fuck we want to do, we say what the fuck we want to say" and leads the 20,000-some fans in a middle-finger salute before gunshots ring out. In real life, according to people at the show, all it took to start the song was a brief flash of eye contact between Cube and Dre on stage. And those gunshots from the crowd weren't really gunshots. "All of a sudden you hear bap, bap, bap, bap, bap. Guys are running, and guys are trying to storm the stage. And, of course, our security guys are fighting the guys who had stormed the stage," recalls Atron Gregory, the group's tour manager at the time. "Turns out it was the cops, and they had lit off some cherry bombs to create chaos.""I'm the person that was literally two feet away from the police when they lit the fireworks, or the firecrackers," says DJ Speed, who performed with the group on stage. "It was a crazy thing."Because the police responded to “Fuck Tha Police” so quickly and forcefully, the film strongly suggests that, somehow, officers had the authority to tell hip-hop groups what they could and couldn't say or play on stage. But that's not quite the case. In fact, the restriction came from N.W.A.'s inner circle. The late Eazy-E's manager, Jerry Heller, agreed in pre-tour negotiations with Darryll Brooks, the tour's promoter, that the band would be fined $25,000 if it played the song.Why? Brooks, Heller and the band's agent, Jerry Ade, feared the song “was not going to be palatable” to conservative localities. “When you go to the Bible Belt, to the Midwest, they don't allow sexual gyrating postures on stage," Brooks recalls. In his 2006 autobiography Ruthless, the late Heller explained how the police came to enforce the contract: “Insurance carriers required police security as a condition of issuing a policy.No police, no policy. No policy, no concert. So Detroit police threatened to boycott those fuck-the-police motherfuckers, N.W.A.”Although he wasn't present in Detroit, Sir Jinx, a producer who also performed with the group, says police had an agenda to intimidate N.W.A. 's mostly young, African-American fans. "They were just being bullies," he says. "It was a show to the audience that they were in control."And so on August 6, 1989, many of the 20,000 fans in Detroit started chanting “Fuck Tha Police,” so N.W.A. called an audible and played it anyway. Brooks was working in an office somewhere in the arena when he heard the chant, followed by DJ Yella's familiar opening beat drop. Cops were everywhere, Brooks says, because it was a "'rap show'—put that in quotes—so everybody was looking for marijuana." He ran towards the stage, and soon "every police officer in the building started rushing the stage out of nowhere. It looked like the Battle of the Bulge."According to Straight Outta Compton, plainclothes police gradually made their way to the side of the stage during the performance, where they looked on menacingly. In real life, Gregory recalls, N.W.A. had its own security guards posted on the sides of the stage, and once the police arrived, the two sides began to tussle. The movie got one key detail right, according to people who were there: When the group heard the bap, bap, bap, they panicked and fled. “For that 15 or 20 minutes, it was white-hot,” Brooks says. “You can imagine guys running offstage and plainclothes guys running from the venue, on the floor, trying to get over the barrier to catch these guys who were saying ‘Fuck Tha Police.'”In Gregory's account, N.W.A., after running from the stage, removed their hats and reversed their jackets to hide logos and be more anonymous. They boarded a limousine to the hotel a mile or two away, and everybody else in the group's entourage walked unassumingly past the police on horseback. MC Ren's recollection is different: "Me and Dre were together, we ran backstage. We ran out the door, and once we looked out, it was like, 'All right,' and we turned around and went back into the building. Everybody was like, 'Back into the dressing room.' The police were in there trying to give citations, some bullshit like that." DJ Yella wound up alone in the street. "We went all different ways. I ran into the parking lot," he says. "I walked back to the hotel." DJ Speed left with the late Eric "Eazy-E" Wright and Eazy's security guard Big Ron.The cops first wound up backstage, where they tussled with the first rappers they could find—in LL Cool J's dressing room. (Also on the bill that night: De La Soul, Too $hort and Slick Rick.) "So LL's bodyguards are fighting the police!" Gregory recalls. The scene was so stressful that Brooks, the promoter, felt a spike in blood pressure and asked a runner to take him to the emergency room. (He was okay, and returned to the show, which still had two acts left.)Afterward, Gregory returned to the hotel. He handed N.W.A.'s production manager a briefcase full of cash from the show as well as all the plane tickets back to LA. He called the bus driver to check on the two cases full of guns the group carried on the road. They tried to drive the buses into Canada, "just in case something happened," but police arrived shortly after that.Gregory called a cab for the airport, ending up at another hotel two blocks away. He contacted Eazy-E via walkie-talkie, who verified everything was okay. Police chatted amiably with the band about the Detroit Pistons and sports. Ice Cube once told an interviewer that, "They corralled us, arrested us all, and all they wanted was damn autographs for their daughters and sons."Four years ago, when members of the group reunited in Detroit (and played "Fuck Tha Police"), local cops provided a high-speed escort, "like we were the president or something," Yella says. In the Black Lives Matter era, "Fuck Tha Police" has evolved from a too-dangerous-to-be-performed anthem to a timely Spotify hit with 157 million plays. "I've been seeing people on social media playing it and people having their own signs and writing it on buildings," MC Ren says. "It's unfortunate why the song keeps popping up and is as relevant as it is. I don't know why we never played it. We had so many other songs. We could just do this other shit."Back in 1989, did promoters take the $25,000 “Fuck Tha Police” fine from N.W.A's cut? “To the best of my knowledge,” Brooks recalls, “yes, we did.”Stay tuned.That's all we got for now. Like, Comment, share ,,,and subscribe please Thank you, see you soon bye ☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆https://linktr.ee/jacksonlibon---------------------------------------------------#face #instagram #amour #take #couple #garden #tiktok #psychology #beyou #near #love #foryou #money #ForYouPizza #fyp #irobot #theend #pups #TikToker #couplegoals #famille #relation #doudou #youtube #twitter #tiktokers #love #reeĺs #shorts #instagood #follow #like #ouy #oyu #babyshark #lilnasx #girl #happybirthday #movie #nbayoungboy #deviance #autotrader #trading #khan #academy #carter #carguru #ancestry #accords #abc #news #bts #cbs #huru #bluebook #socialmedia #whatsapp #music #google #photography #memes #marketing #india #followforfollowback #likeforlikes #a #insta #fashion #k #trending #digitalmarketing #covid #o #snapchat #socialmediamarketing

La ministra de Trasnportes, Movilidad y Agenda Urbana, Raquel Sánchez, ha asegurado que el anteproyecto de Ley por el Derecho de la Vivienda presentado por el Gobierno es "garantista" y no invade competencias. Por su parte, Podemos ve en el informe del Poder Judicial una coartada para los lobbies inmobiliarios. La ministra de Igualdad, Irene Montero, condena el asesinato machista de una mujer de 38 años en Tudela (Navarra). En materia de desigualdad. En estos dos años de pandemia los 10 individuos más ricos del mundo han duplicado su fortuna. Y terminamos con otra gran noche para la futbolista Alexia Putellas, repasando la agenda informativa de este martes, 18 de enero, y repasando las palabras del primer mánager de Elton John en Estados Unidos. Producción: Daniel RelovaRealización: Susana León See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ted Stryker unearths an interview heard by very few people with the late Jerry Heller (recorded in 2011) Jerry Heller was a music manager, music agent and a business man. In this Tuna on Toast episode, Ted Stryker asks Jerry about is career before his NWA and Eazy-E days.  Jerry worked with bands like The Standells, Elton John and Pink Floyd just name a few.  Jerry also names the one artists that rubbed him the wrong way!  Jerry goes into detail about the circumstances that led to Jerry meeting Eric Wright AKA Eazy-E.  Jerry and Stryker talk about JJ Fad, the song Supersonic, The L.A. Dream Team, Rudy Pardee, the great radio station KDAY and the amazing personalities/DJ's on KDAY.  Jerry mentions guys like Juilo G, Tony G and Greg Mack!  Jerry tells a great story of his first meeting with Eazy, MC Ren was also there and the guys pulled up in a Suzuki Samurai.  Jerry Heller answers all of Stryker's questions about Ruthless, who owned the company, and about how it was determined how much the NWA members got paid.  Jerry discusses not only his thoughts on why Ice Cube left the group, but also talks about his feelings towards Ice Cube after the release of the song "No Vaseline".  Jerry talks about his encounter with Suge Knight at Monty's restaurant.  Jerry Heller then answers questions about Dr. Dre leaving the group, his importance to Ruthless Records and how exactly Jerry feels about Dr. Dre as a talent!  Stryker asks Jerry about his relationship with Eazy, what was it like both working and personal throughout their years together.  Jerry is a wonderful story teller who was sharp as a tack the day we recorded this interview back in 2011.  There are a ton more little nuggets you will hear!   Thanks for listening, sit back and enjoy Jerry Heller on Tuna on Toast. 

This week we're joined by record exec and manager to Anderson .Paak, Adrian Miller - a man who helped build the LA hip hop scene and work with Good Life Cafe, Easy E, Ras Kass, RZA, DJ Muggs, House of Pain, Freestyle Fellowship and many more.   We spoke on a whole host of subjects, including…  

Danny talks with the Leader of the Female Rap Group JJ-Fad - Juana Sperling aka “MC J.B.” about how they started JJ-Fad from the Inland Empire neighborhood Rialto, how they got into the rap game in the 80's, how they got involved with The L.A. Dream Team and Ruthless Records, their relationship with Eazy-E, how they were involved with the legendary Rap group N.W.A. and contributed to their success, Dr. Dre's contribution to their hit song “Supersonic”, the beef between East Coast and West Coast Rappers, how their life changed after “Supersonic” went platinum, what the members of JJ-Fad chose to do after they retired from the studio, their experience with the business side of the music game including their relationship with Jerry Heller, JJ-Fad's latest performances and their new tours with Ice Cube and Warren G, how they featured in the new upcoming Ozomatli album with one of our former guests on Alternate Take Raul Pacheco, Juana's take on modern female rappers and what they do great and what they do poorly, who her favorite rappers are now, and her advice for young artists. Punch in the promo code: alternatetake at SmoothMyBalls.com and earn 15% off! http://smoothmyballs.com/alternatetake & follow us on Instagram @alternatetakedr for updates on all of our new episodes and silly things we do. https://www.instagram.com/alternatetakedr/ https://www.instagram.com/momma_juana/ https://www.instagram.com/j.j.fad/ https://www.tiktok.com/@officialj.j.fad?lang=en https://linktr.ee/rappinj https://officialjjfad.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti1bFMBd6V4 --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/alternatetake/support

The Real Reason Why Ice Cube Left NWA The Jerry Heller Ice Cube Fiasco has been well documented in both written and visual form. Every Ice Cube NWA interview seems to circle back to Why Did Ice Cube leave NWA? Was it because of bad record deals? Why did Ice Cube go solo when he was in one of the biggest rap groups of all time? This is one of the music industry's most well-publicized secrets and we still are learning more details. The Ice Cube NWA version of Ice Cube was a trailblazer in more ways than one. How he handled Jerry Heller and his bad record contract is something that took serious moxie. In this episode from all the smoke with Matt Barnes and Stephen Jackson, they dove deep on why did ice cube leave. List to the entire podcast episode to get the entire breakdown. Sell My Course and I'll Pay You $1000 No Cap

Ice Cube Had To Hang Platinum Plaques In His Mom's Kitchen The great thing about documenting big moments on video is that you can look back at them and learn, retroactively. Ice Cube was hanging platinum plaques in his Mom's kitchen because he was too broke to get his own crib. Why? Because NWA's manager Jerry Heller was stealing money from NWA and not paying Ice Cube for writing hit records. Being they were 20, from a low income area and were given every vice they could imagine, Jerry Heller tried an old music industry trick… Keep the talent distracted while you take the money. @icecube got hip and bounced. Ice Cube took control of his own career and became the platinum selling music mogul we know him as today. If the music industry robbed the most popular rap group ever at the time, what do you think it's going to do to you? Do you want to be ripped off? Or do you want to learn how to make your own money from your music? If want to learn how to make your own money in your music, click link in bio. Don't end up hanging Spotify plaques in your Mom's kitchen. Sell My Course and I'll Pay You $500 No Cap

We sit down with music industry veteran Alonzo Williams. Alonzo and MC Eiht go back 2 his beginnings to talk about the shady contract EIht signed at 17 that took his publishing and a good portion of his royalties. Alonzo then talks about Jerry Heller and how we robbed Ruthless records for years. You gotta hear this! To watch full video episodes of this show, go check out Pod TV Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com

Howie funded Guns N' Roses up to the point they were signed by Geffen Records.  He managed Poison.  But perhaps he is best known as one of the top vintage guitar sellers in the world.  He's worked with Paul McCartney, David Bowie, Michael Jackson, Robin Trower, Rick James, Sam Kinison, C.C. Deville, Eddie Van Halen, Tom Petty, Lou Reed... Gary Ballen toured with Air Supply and Lita Ford.  In addition he worked with both his cousin, Jerry Heller, and Eazy-E running Ruthless Records. 

Suge Knight Explains How Dr. Dre was getting robbed. Getting a record deal isn’t hard. Make daily content. Make music. Let people know you want to sign away ownership. Boom. Slave record deal. There has been so many horror stories about record deals, at this point if y’all still want one, go get it. Stop watching me. Stop watching these videos where these artists who have been at the top of the record label food chain tell you how fucked up it is. Cause you don’t care. You want be fed, changed, burped, fucked, robbed and put to sleep. So go. Go put your booty for sale. There’s plenty of buyers. For all of the real ducks and swans in the pond, this video is for you and how to avoid getting ripped off. Do you wanna sell your booty? Read Dorian’s ebook “3 social media strategies that actually work” https://www.group82media.com/ebook Follow Dorian on Instagram - https://instagram.com/doriangroup82?igshid=ful32lx6msk4 Subscribe to Dorian’s YouTube for free daily content - https://youtube.com/c/DorianGroup82. Go stream “She like that” by Dorian https://open.spotify.com/track/4ajOEkXVZnuN0xMT2Tpwd2?si=X7aEgkDBSeC-d-L23nmjCA https://music.apple.com/us/album/she-like-that-feat-celena-santa-cruz/1523054326?i=1523054337 --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/82pointsofview/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/82pointsofview/support

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Let the Record Show – the crate-dug interview series in which musicians, rappers, producers and DJs discuss their favorite songs of all time as the tracks spin on vinyl – continues its third season today, as hosts Mike Pizzo and Warren Peace sit down with storied DJ, festival founder, and music industry executive Gary Richards aka Destructo. Richards’ set of song selections almost plays like a recipe for his G-House sound, mixing pioneering electronic classics from Kraftwerk and Giorgio Moroder with west coast hip-hop standards from Dr. Dre and Eazy-E, and adding in a dash of darkness from Depeche Mode and Nine Inch Nails. Having founded the Electronic Daisy Carnival, Hard Fest, and AMFAMFAMF festivals, as well as having worked alongside Rick Rubin at Def American, and still regularly producing his own brand of electronic music, Richards has spent a lifetime in the music industry. He recounts tales of strange dinners with Ruthless Records founder Jerry Heller, Warren G passing out in the studio, getting The Cure to cover Depeche Mode and upsetting Giorgio Moroder.    

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On this episode of T.G.C, we step into the world of music, Gangster Rap to be specific and sit down with West Coast pioneer Alonzo Williams. He talks about discovering Dr. Dre, Ice Cube, DJ Yella and hooking Eazy E up with Jerry Heller. He also talks about how the crack epidemic forever changed the face of music. This is definitely one for the culture. Support this episodes sponsor A special thanks to Podcorn for sponsoring this episode. Explore sponsorship opportunities and start monetizing your podcast by signing up here: https://podcorn.com/podcasters/ Support T.G.C Sign up for our YouTube Channel: https://cutt.ly/ce5NK2e Buy T.G.C. Merchandisehttps://teespring.com/stores/digital-soapbox-network Support the show. See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Heute reisten wir im Intravinyl nach L.A. in den Stadtteil Compton. Wir dokumentierten die Geschichte des Hip-Hop Label Ruthless Records, dass 1987 von Jerry Heller und Eazy-E gegründet wurde.

We talked to MC JB of JJ Fad this week. She’s got awesome stories about the early days of electro rap, Ruthless Records, Dre, Eazy, and surprising takes on the notorious Jerry Heller. JJ Fad are best known for their classic hit “Supersonic” and are still active performing as a group, which is rare.

Terry was very close to his uncle Jerry Heller who founded Ruthless Records.  This put Terry at the epicenter of the birth of the gangsta rap movement.  He tells us about life in the studio and growing up with music legends Dr. Dre, Easy E, Ice Cube, NWA, the DOC and how they changed the world and popular culture forever.   Later Terry pivoted into real estate development and founded the successful  Plan Check restaurant concepts which he recently sold.  Terry is currently developing several multi family investment projects and looking for his next deal.  Check out the Podcast's Instagram @thedealpod https://www.instagram.com/thedealpod/?hl=en Youtube Link to This Episode Terry's Website Terry's Instagram

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On this episode of The Sofa King Podcast, we represent the West Side and talk about the life, beefs, death, and notorious reputation of the Grandfather of Gangsta Rap—Easy-E. Though he seems like the clown of NWA based on his raps, he was actually the face of gang life, from its fashion to its criminal background. From murderous beefs with Suge Knight to conspiracies of AIDS as a means of assassination, the story of Eazy-E is pretty epic. Born Eric Wright in Compton, California, he was raised by typical parents but in a rather atypical neighborhood. Compton, of course, was the gang capitol of Southern California, and there were a lot of illegal ways to make money. Young Eric Wright fell into one such way and started to deal drugs, following in his cousin’s footsteps. He made a lot of money, and after his cousin was shot, he got out of the game and decided to use his money to build a music label. He fell in with his partner Jerry Heller, and they created Ruthless Records. In no time, he was working with the up and coming Dr. Dre, Ice Cube, Yella and MC Ren, and he ended up creating a hit record, Eazy Duz It, and joined up with the newly formed NWA. He was not a natural rapper, and it took some convincing to get him to the mic, but once there, he was a natural. He became an iconic figure of Gangsta Rap and led the charge on such hits as F*ck the Police. In fact, most insiders realize that it was his true street life that gave NWA its credibility. They rose quickly and like most bands, hit rough spots and had people leave. Unlike most bands, the break up included death threats, assaults, and any number of West Side street justice. After years of success (and sex with lots of fans), Eazy-E eventually got sick, and when he went to get it checked out, found out he had AIDS. Within a few weeks, he was dead at the age of 30. But that’s not the end of the story. Why does his family think the AIDS story was strange? Why do they think there was a cover up of how he caught it? Why do they think it may not have been AIDS in the first place? What part does Suge Knight play in all this, and what did he say in an interview that seems to indicate he may have gotten Eazy-E infected intentionally to kill him? What did his diagnosis do to change the national conversation about this disease? Listen, laugh, learn. Thorough Vibe Eazy-E Story: https://www.vibe.com/featured/vibe-eazy-e-cover-story/ Conspiracy AIDS Article: https://www.highsnobiety.com/2015/08/13/eazy-e-death-conspiracy/

The name Atron Gregory is not one that is immediately familiar to the average fan. Yet the manager, A&R person and shot caller has heavily influenced three of the biggest movements in hip-hop history in. Gregory’s involvement in the careers of Tupac Shakur, Digital Underground and the success of Ruthless Records can never be undersold. We went on the road to bring you an exclusive interview, because that’s what we do! Sit back and hear an inside look into hip-hop history with one of its unsung figures.   1:00 Atron’s upbringing from the Bay Area to LA. 3:30 How he got started in the music business. 10:00 Becoming tour manager for World Class Wreckin’ Cru. 12:00 Eazy-E buying “Supersonic” and pushing Ruthless Records to success. 15:30 Wearing multiple hats with Ruthless Records. 20:00 How a dinner with Jerry Heller prompted Gregory to launch TNT management. 23:00 Signing Digital Underground 26:00 Digital Underground anniversary music and tour. 30:00 Signing 2Pac to his first record deal. 34:12 Pac’s intro to the world in “Same Song.” 36:00 Who really bailed 2pac out of jail? 40:00 AEOM the movie. 42:00 Launching Calificmedia.com 44:30 His new artist Jacob Lusk.   Day 1 Radio podcast is available on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, IHeartRadio, Spotify, Stitcher, Radio Public and CLNS Mobile Media app. Follow us on Twitter, FB, and IG at @day1radio

Former NWA Production and Stage Manager as well as  assistant to Jerry Heller and Ruthless Records A & R Gary Ballen returns 

J.J. Fad - Supersonic Piano Edit By Petko Turner Free DL >> https://hypeddit.com/track/sc/vlzli9 Due to management and financial disagreements, Cash, Shaheed and Lee quit the group, leaving J. J. Fad as a duo. The surviving original members (Burns and Birks) were joined by Michelle Franklin (Sassy C.) and DJ Train, and together they re-recorded and re-released "Supersonic" in 1988, this time as the A-side. It sold 400,000 copies independently before Eazy and Jerry Heller secured the group a major-label recording contract with Atco Records. The single was followed by the album Supersonic, which was also produced by Arabian Prince, who made J. J. Fad accessible to pop audiences—unlike many West Coast rappers of the day—by including electro elements in their music. Due to their involvement with Ruthless Records, co-producer credits were added for Dr. Dre and DJ Yella. J. J. Fad was the first female rap group to earn a Grammy nomination,[1] and both the single "Supersonic" and the album Supersonic were certified gold. (The group believes the single sold a million copies in the U.S.—equivalent to platinum status—but this has not been certified

Classic 'clip show' on The House List! Especially designed for the listener on-the-go so we've kept the running time under an hour. We picked out a few clips from previous podcast episodes (Fiona Bloom, Dam-Funk, Billy Jam, Michelle Cable, Just-Ice) so if you've never had a chance to check them out - this'll be an appetizer that we hope will lead you to the full episode! Also included is a short clip of Peter Agoston and NWA/Ruthless Records manager Jerry Heller talking in 2006, a radio clip with S.F. MC Z-Man circa 2003, a short drop (with a long set-up explanation) by DJ Mix Master Mike from 1999 and a pseudo interview with a taxi driver with aspirations to make beats. Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week on THT Movie Review, Anthony & Boxman are joined by Bobby Anthem to review Straight Outta Compton. A 2015 biographical film directed by F. Gary Gray, depicting the career of gangsta rap group N.W.A. Titled after N.W.A's 1988 debut studio album, the film focuses on members Eazy-E, Ice Cube, and Dr. Dre. Members of N.W.A were involved in making the film. Paul Giamatti also stars as N.W.A's manager Jerry Heller. Check us out on:iTunesFacebookYouTubeTwitterStitcherPod DirectoryTunein

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Both Eazy-E and Jerry Heller jump started a movement in music that spawned the careers of several Multi-Platinum artists and forever created a legacy in music history. Tonight we honor both Eazy-E and Jerry Heller.

This week, Scav D and G-Money recap and update some past news stories featured on the show and discuss the first episode of "Stranger Things" on Netflix. They also remember former NWA manager Jerry Heller, run down the Top 5 songs in the country and so much more! Labor Day is over but we're still drinking here!

This week Lyle Preslar (Minor Threat, Caroline Records) and Jim Shearer (MTV/VH1) discuss the following: The legacy of former N.W.A manager, Jerry Heller; Jay Electronica inviting over 1,000 fans to collapse a stage in Philly; the return of The "original" Misfits; Beyoncé being put on vocal rest; Fifth Harmony temporarily losing a member; the new Oasis documentary; The Weeknd's new album; a long-overdue Ferris Bueller soundtrack; and Bob Dylan playing with heavy metal.

This is a podcast, talking about former manager Jerry Hella who died a day or so ago. Ice Cube didn't seem phased by Jerry's death. He replied "I aint popping no champagne, but I aint shedding no tears either." I think Cube, and other artist, need to be honest, and just call a spade a spade. Jerry Hella along with other Jewish Managers were the catalyst that got you all deep into the industry and helped you become the mega-millionaires you are today !!

"Yo Dre. What up? I got something to say." -- Ice Cube - This week on THE SCRIPT we analyze Straight Outta Compton, the F. Gary Gray biopic of legendary gangster rap group N.W.A. Did the filmmakers design Straight Outta Compton to speak to the issues of the Black Lives Matter movement? Or is a story about animosity between police and young black men that took place 30 years ago inherently relevant because the struggle continues today? What are the structural considerations when writing a biopic (Two words: Scope & Triumph)? How does the film manage poetic license vs. historical fact in terms of these artist's legacies, the role of women in their story, and Eazy-E as the film's emotional center of gravity? We discuss the multi-dimensional painting of Jerry Heller's character as an allegorical stand-in for ‘the white savior' and ‘the white devil.' ALSO-- “Bye Felicia.” .  #NYCSC #NWA #BlackLivesMatter @FGaryGray SCRIPT ANALYSTS: Kristina Leath-Malin, Keith Miller, Alka Khushalani, and David Negrin LISTEN to THE SCRIPT Podcast: “Straight Outta Compton" here on iTUNES Now you can support THE SCRIPT Podcast by crowdfunding us on PATREON $1, $5, $10… check out our rewards! Please POST A REVIEW or a STAR RATING on iTunes. Follow us on Twitter here @ScriptFeed Fan mail, complaints, questions, wedding proposals can be sent to ScriptFeed@gmail.com PRODUCERS, The Script Jordan Rosengarten, David Negrin NYC Screenwriters Collective www.ScreenwritersCollective.org

BHL: Justice Is Served -- In this episode Black Hollywood Live hosts Chelsea Galicia, Shaka Smith, and Yemi Abayomi discuss legal cases for the week of July 6th, 2016. Stories include Jay-Z's former engineer suing the LAPD, NYPD & Roc Nation, Jerry Heller's Defamation Case Against "Straight Outta Compton" moving forward, FBI recommends no charges against Hilary Clinton for E-Mail Mishandling and more.

One of the early West Coast Pioneers and former bandmate of DJ Yella and Dr. Dre of N.W.A. from the World Class Wreckin Cru, Cli-N-Tel is back to speak about the Universal Hiphop Museum , film, and much more!

On episode 12....T-Wayne investigated for alleged rape.Future kills rumors of dating Blac Chyna.Jerry Heller sues Dr. Dre and Ice Cube.Rick Ross calls off engagement.Meeks Mills beef in Hip-Hop.Lil Wayne announces "No Ceilings 2"Jeezy wins court case.My Last Dollar: Weebie Vs Lil BoosieHip-Hop Legend Spotlight: Run DMC

This week... Jerry Heller sues er'body, Ja Rule talks hit record(s), Dmx meets Rakim, and more!!! Subscribe via Soundcloud, Itunes, Stitcher Radio and Tunein! Follow on Twitter @Vegasworldinc Like the Page Facebook.com/HipHopRightNow

World Class Wreckin Cru front man Alonzo "Lonzo" Williams worked with Dr. Dre in his early years and also introduced Eazy-E to Jerry Heller which later went onto forming the relationship between Jerry Heller and Eazy that formed Ruthless Records.

Legendary manager of NWA and co-founder of Ruthless Records Jerry Heller returns to the show. The last few times he was on the show the media went crazy, tune in and hear what is on Jerry's mind this time!

In this episode of the Section 357 Show, Floyd and Big Shot Ron discuss the recent N.W.A Biopic "Straight Outta Compton", the impact of Fantasy Football on the Madden video game franchise, and highlight the recent practice of celebrating Hip-Hop album anniversaries. Segment 1: - Did "Straight Outta Compton" really capture the essence of N.W.A? - How wide was the audience's age range? - How would "Straight Outta Compton" been produced had it been told from MC Ren and Yella's perspective, instead of Dr. Dre and Ice Cube? - Did the movie go too easy on Jerry Heller? Segment 2: - As Hip-Hop matures, how are we celebrating classic albums? - How has the notion of a "classic" album changed in the current single/mixtape culture? - Is there money to be made in celebrating these anniversaries? Segment 3: - Is Fantasy Football stealing the thunder of the Madden video game? - How has Madden changed its marketing approach? Does it make sense? - Can EA Sports realistically improve the Madden video game franchise? - How important is gambling to this discussion? For more sports and hip-hop conversation, visit: http://section357.com http://twitter.com/Section357

He was production manager and stage manager at Ruthless Records as well as an assistant manager under Jerry Heller and Eazy-E. Hear his Ruthless story!

In this edition of the I'm Black, He's Mexican Podcast, Arizona Verse & Soul Papo join forces to wax philosophically about a Chinese woman who drinks entire bottle of cognac at Beijing Airport, Jennifer Lawrence and Amy Schumer's doing a movie together, Amy Schumer raps with Talib Kweli, Paula Deen joining 'Dancing With the Stars', Chief Keef names new born ‘Sno FilmOn Dot Com Cozart’ after his record label, Yung Eazy says his father Eazy-E was killed by Suge Knight, Jerry Heller also addresses possibility that Suge Knight injected Eazy-E with AIDS, Master P says he saved Snoop Dogg's life by signing him to no limit, Derrick Rose, Bulls point guard, accused of rape by ex-girlfriend, smoking hookah for an hour may be like smoking 100 cigarettes, Autistic kids have flair for creativity, Hurricane Katrina 10 years later, Asia’s richest man lost billions in stock market collapse, North Korea warns it 'will attack South Korea at 8.30 am Saturday' as Kim Jong-un declares state of war, Donald Trump booted Univision anchor Jorge Ramos out of his news conference, Robots will cut 25% of US jobs in 4 years, the Caitlyn Jenner Halloween costume gets offensive, Ashley Madison fallout and company gets sued, real life Dexter, ex-surgeon calls himself 'killer' in email, alleged manifesto from Virginia TV journalists’ killer cites Charleston church massacre, are you ready for the McWhopper?, guess not and of course.. dedications. #IBHM If you don't like this podcast, you're probably racist... The Official Website: www.ibhmpodcast.com Email Us: ibhmpodcast@gmail.com Follow on Social Media: www.facebook.com/ibhmpodcast www.youtube.com/ibhmpodcast www.ibhmpodcast.tumblr.com www.twitter.com/ibhmpodcast Subscribe to the podcast: on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/im-black-hes-mexican-podcast/id692728763 on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/ibhmpodcast on Stitcher: http://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=38104&refid=stpr on Tune-In Radio: http://tunein.com/radio/Im-Black-Hes-Mexican-Podcast-p547515/

In 1988, a groundbreaking new group revolutionizes music and pop culture, changing and influencing hip-hop forever. N.W.A's first studio album, "Straight Outta Compton," stirs controversy with its brutally honest depiction of life in Southern Los Angeles. With guidance from veteran manager Jerry Heller, band members Ice Cube (O'Shea Jackson Jr.), Dr. Dre (Corey Hawkins), Eazy-E, DJ Yella and MC Ren navigate their way through the industry, acquiring fame, fortune and a place in history.

Tablet staffers Mark Oppenheimer, Liel Leibovitz, and Stephanie Butnick sound off about Jewish rapper Matisyahu getting booted from a Spanish reggae festival for refusing to condemn Israel; Jews in Hollywood signing off on the Iran deal; and former NWA manager Jerry Heller's portrayal in the new film "Straight Outta Compton." Katha Pollitt, longtime columnist for The Nation, discusses being portrayed by Patricia Clarkson in the upcoming film, "Learning to Drive," and the recent political attacks on Planned Parenthood. Comedian and musician Dave Hill, this week's non-Jewish guest, asks why Jews don't drink as much as Catholics and why Hasidic men don't take advantage of their fashion opportunity.   You can read Katha's columns for The Nation here: http://www.thenation.com/authors/katha-pollitt/. For more about Dave and his upcoming appearances, check outhttp://www.davehillonline.com/   Sign up for the weekly Unorthodox newsletter: eepurl.com/bsZlGr. Email us with comments, questions and ideas at unorthodox@tabletmag.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On tonight’s edition of Scottscope Talk Radio, the Roundtable reviews Straight Outta Compton!  Is it as good as the hype suggests?  Could it be F. Gary Gray’s best film to date?  Might it be the best Hip-Hop biopic released thus far?  Does it offer the real story of the villains in Black, or a diluted and sanitized version?  Is it more of a hagiopic than a biopic?  Does the direct involvement of Dr. Dre and Ice Cube compromise the integrity of the final product?  Should biopics be expected to tell the undisputed truth about their subjects?  Does the film offer a fair and balanced portrait of Jerry Heller and Marion “Suge” Knight?  Does it properly capture the popular zeitgeist of the late 1980’s and early 1990’s?  Can it be considered a feature length hate latter to police officers nationwide?    

On tonight’s edition of Scottscope Talk Radio, the Roundtable reviews Straight Outta Compton!  Is it as good as the hype suggests?  Could it be F. Gary Gray’s best film to date?  Might it be the best Hip-Hop biopic released thus far?  Does it offer the real story of the villains in Black, or a diluted and sanitized version?  Is it more of a hagiopic than a biopic?  Does the direct involvement of Dr. Dre and Ice Cube compromise the integrity of the final product?  Should biopics be expected to tell the undisputed truth about their subjects?  Does the film offer a fair and balanced portrait of Jerry Heller and Marion “Suge” Knight?  Does it properly capture the popular zeitgeist of the late 1980’s and early 1990’s?  Can it be considered a feature length hate latter to police officers nationwide?    

Podcast Posting Page - http://wp.me/p8YAd-1qTk Major Spoilers Hotline - 785-727-1939 Become a Major Spoilers VIP Today - https://members.majorspoilers.com This week we travel back to the halcyon days of the early '90s and see how it all went down in the NWA biopic Straight Outta Compton. STRAIGHT OUTTA COMPTON In 1988, a groundbreaking new group revolutionizes music and pop culture, changing and influencing hip-hop forever. N.W.A's first studio album, "Straight Outta Compton," stirs controversy with its brutally honest depiction of life in Southern Los Angeles. With guidance from veteran manager Jerry Heller, band members Ice Cube (O'Shea Jackson Jr.), Dr. Dre (Corey Hawkins), Eazy-E, DJ Yella and MC Ren navigate their way through the industry, acquiring fame, fortune and a place in history. A big Thank You goes out to everyone who downloads, subscribes, listens, and supports this show. We really appreciate you taking the time to listen to our ramblings each week. Tell your friends about the podcast, get them to subscribe and, be sure to visit the Major Spoilers site.

Podcast Posting Page - http://wp.me/p8YAd-1qTk Major Spoilers Hotline - 785-727-1939 Become a Major Spoilers VIP Today - https://members.majorspoilers.com This week we travel back to the halcyon days of the early '90s and see how it all went down in the NWA biopic Straight Outta Compton. STRAIGHT OUTTA COMPTON In 1988, a groundbreaking new group revolutionizes music and pop culture, changing and influencing hip-hop forever. N.W.A's first studio album, "Straight Outta Compton," stirs controversy with its brutally honest depiction of life in Southern Los Angeles. With guidance from veteran manager Jerry Heller, band members Ice Cube (O'Shea Jackson Jr.), Dr. Dre (Corey Hawkins), Eazy-E, DJ Yella and MC Ren navigate their way through the industry, acquiring fame, fortune and a place in history. A big Thank You goes out to everyone who downloads, subscribes, listens, and supports this show. We really appreciate you taking the time to listen to our ramblings each week. Tell your friends about the podcast, get them to subscribe and, be sure to visit the Major Spoilers site.

Jerry Heller returns to the Murder Master Music Show to speak about Eazy, Ruthless, NWA and much more.

First up we have Bass legend DJ Fury and then Jerry Heller returns to the show

Part One of the Best of the Murder Master Music Show featuring interviews and music. INTERVIEWS:RBX, Lord Infamous(RIP), Jerry Heller, Woodpile, Spice-1, Kokane, and Ganxsta Nip,  MUSIC FROM: Mac Mizzle, Odd-1, Badblack315, Dez, Spice-1, Woodpile, and Gangzta Krow (FREE GANGZTA KROW) and a special outro by our biggest supporter and best freind Mathew Molnar(RIP) 

Ruthless Records Executive/Mogul  (Jerry Heller )Sits down with Tweed Cadillac in an informative perspective on the music biz,books,bands,and life all put in perspective.This will be an episode filled with informative information...

Ruthless Records Executive/Mogul  (Jerry Heller )Sits down with Tweed Cadillac in an informative perspective on the music biz,books,bands,and life all put in perspective.This will be an episode filled with informative information...Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/i-am-indi-entertainment-show--3433195/support.

for archives visit www.ugs4life.com Ruthless Records for ever changed when Eazy-E and Jerry Heller joined forces taking things to the next level which included being on the FBI's shit list and going Multi-Platinum. 

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STREAM or DOWNLOAD On this posh Season Premiere we have: Xzibit leaves rehearsals to join Mista Montana and Menace on the show. Full of energy and optimism, X talks us through his new album Napalm, including his work with Dr Dre, the significance of his visit to Iraq and Sadam Hussein's palace. We talk emotions as Xzibit breaks down his on-tape conversation with his late mother, as well as the possibility of a Golden State Project full length album, all dependent on the health of Saafir. This is Xzibit's first appearance on Conspiracy Worldwide Radio and certainly won't be his last. Something amuses him in the intro. La Coka Nostra creative genius, Danny Boy steps up to the table to explain his integral role in the success and development of one of hip hop's most cherished groups. Expect high emotions as he talks royalty money, a lack of recognition for his input and his struggle to cope after the split of House Of Pain. With relationships now fully restored between himself and other members of the group, Danny Boy now looks to the future and breaks down the success story behind La Coka Nostra, including the groups original members and the importance of wider members of the group such as DJ Eclipse.  Was Sean Price really ever in La Coka Nostra? Danny Boy says ask Sean...nicely. The legendary NWA management mogul, Jerry Heller, takes his seat at the posh table to explore the truth behind the creation and survival of one of hip hop's most controversial groups. We navigate through the history of his relationship with Ice Cube, his rivalry with Dr Dre and more shockingly, his admission that Eazy E was murdered. Needing body guards to simply walk down the street, Mr Jerry Heller has seen things that would make most turn their back on music and he reveals all in this classic interview for all hip hop connoisseurs. Termanology joins us on the show, live from the comfort of his own bed, to break down his forthcoming album with MOP's Fame. Fizziology looks set to be another classic for Term to add to his collection of accomplishments and we get chance to hear about his relationship with Fame, Statik Selektah and other people important to his success. We talk Termanology as the producer, including his input on the new Wu Tang Clan project as well as his forthcoming full-length with Buckwild. Will he deliver a live acapella from his bed? Find out. The Coup's Boots Riley is with us to discuss his new album and the significance of hip hop as medium for change. We talk politics, 9/11, the investigative reporter Greg Palast and the creative process behind The Coup's flawless live instrumentation. An in depth conversation with one of hip hop's most revered messengers. Stig Of The Dump barges onto the show in high spirits to discuss his recent European tour, his powerful new EP Cannon Fodder and his relationship with the UK music industry. We explore UK Hip Hop's recent improvement, his desire to tour the US and Canada (promoters get at us) and his always humourous take on life in general. What a posh way to start a new Season of CWR. AND THAT'S NOT ALL! For this brand new episode Mista Montana and Menace welcome back original member of the CWR team, Skinny9er for a brief glimpse at the lifestyle of one of music's most genius designers. Skinny9er is in a secret location which he reveals to be Sheffield and has just finished interviewing a celebrity. Who will it be? Listen to find out! GET THE NEW CONSPIRACY WORLDWIDE RADIO APP  - for all Android-based devices and Google TV - Click HERE to download it FREE! Contact us at conspiracyworldwide@gmail.com 

STREAM or DOWNLOAD On this posh Season Premiere we have: Xzibit leaves rehearsals to join Mista Montana and Menace on the show. Full of energy and optimism, X talks us through his new album Napalm, including his work with Dr Dre, the significance of his visit to Iraq and Sadam Hussein's palace. We talk emotions as Xzibit breaks down his on-tape conversation with his late mother, as well as the possibility of a Golden State Project full length album, all dependent on the health of Saafir. This is Xzibit's first appearance on Conspiracy Worldwide Radio and certainly won't be his last. Something amuses him in the intro. La Coka Nostra creative genius, Danny Boy steps up to the table to explain his integral role in the success and development of one of hip hop's most cherished groups. Expect high emotions as he talks royalty money, a lack of recognition for his input and his struggle to cope after the split of House Of Pain. With relationships now fully restored between himself and other members of the group, Danny Boy now looks to the future and breaks down the success story behind La Coka Nostra, including the groups original members and the importance of wider members of the group such as DJ Eclipse.  Was Sean Price really ever in La Coka Nostra? Danny Boy says ask Sean...nicely. The legendary NWA management mogul, Jerry Heller, takes his seat at the posh table to explore the truth behind the creation and survival of one of hip hop's most controversial groups. We navigate through the history of his relationship with Ice Cube, his rivalry with Dr Dre and more shockingly, his admission that Eazy E was murdered. Needing body guards to simply walk down the street, Mr Jerry Heller has seen things that would make most turn their back on music and he reveals all in this classic interview for all hip hop connoisseurs. Termanology joins us on the show, live from the comfort of his own bed, to break down his forthcoming album with MOP's Fame. Fizziology looks set to be another classic for Term to add to his collection of accomplishments and we get chance to hear about his relationship with Fame, Statik Selektah and other people important to his success. We talk Termanology as the producer, including his input on the new Wu Tang Clan project as well as his forthcoming full-length with Buckwild. Will he deliver a live acapella from his bed? Find out. The Coup's Boots Riley is with us to discuss his new album and the significance of hip hop as medium for change. We talk politics, 9/11, the investigative reporter Greg Palast and the creative process behind The Coup's flawless live instrumentation. An in depth conversation with one of hip hop's most revered messengers. Stig Of The Dump barges onto the show in high spirits to discuss his recent European tour, his powerful new EP Cannon Fodder and his relationship with the UK music industry. We explore UK Hip Hop's recent improvement, his desire to tour the US and Canada (promoters get at us) and his always humourous take on life in general. What a posh way to start a new Season of CWR. AND THAT'S NOT ALL! For this brand new episode Mista Montana and Menace welcome back original member of the CWR team, Skinny9er for a brief glimpse at the lifestyle of one of music's most genius designers. Skinny9er is in a secret location which he reveals to be Sheffield and has just finished interviewing a celebrity. Who will it be? Listen to find out! GET THE NEW CONSPIRACY WORLDWIDE RADIO APP  - for all Android-based devices and Google TV - Click HERE to download it FREE! Contact us at conspiracyworldwide@gmail.com